| 00:00.02 | lucox | Guerin : don't have a clue ? |
| 00:00.04 | Guerin | 8 megabit |
| 00:00.06 | cafuego | That's what I meant |
| 00:00.19 | doug | yeah well right now i'm doing it with 50KB/s |
| 00:00.30 | doug | frickin snafu |
| 00:00.31 | cureless | doug: depends on a lot of things, are the thumbnails pregenerated? if not more proc, are there a _lot_ of pictures? fast hard drive. More memory is always good. |
| 00:00.37 | BadMan | cafuego: not someting I am going to mess with... A suitable JVM could not be found. Please run the program again using the option -is:javahome <JAVA HOME DIR> |
| 00:00.37 | cafuego | How could you POSSIBLY have been slashdotted then? |
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| 00:01.08 | doug | cureless: yess, no picture modification after they've been uploaded |
| 00:01.17 | cafuego | BadMan: <heh> Oh dear, a java installer. |
| 00:01.23 | BadMan | yeah exactly |
| 00:01.50 | doug | i've been laying back in the cut with like 200 visitors a day, now i'm up to 3500 and there are four hours of peak time traffic left |
| 00:02.49 | cafuego | doug: For 3500 something tad fatser then 50K would probably be good yes ;-) |
| 00:03.07 | cafuego | doug: Does the site run any scripting like php or perl? |
| 00:03.09 | BadMan | cafuego: would jdk1.1 be what it's after? |
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| 00:03.19 | cafuego | BadMan: I hope not, that's crusty and old. |
| 00:03.32 | BadMan | ok.. jsut asking searching through apt-cache now |
| 00:03.32 | doug | cafuego: yes, php and mysql, uses the program gallery |
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| 00:03.50 | cafuego | doug: Ah ok. Can people upload ZIPs as well? |
| 00:03.53 | christor | Please How to disable the mail cron? |
| 00:04.11 | doug | cafuego: i have that and most other functions like slideshow disabled |
| 00:04.18 | Guerin | lucox: it looks to me like cvs is a dependency of cervisia, which is a dep of kdesdk, which is a dep of kdelibs4, which is central to the whole kde system |
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| 00:04.26 | cafuego | doug: *nod* |
| 00:04.28 | Guerin | lucox: this strikes me as very stupid indeed. |
| 00:04.46 | Guerin | lucox: (you can find this out using apt-cache rdepends and apt-cache depends |
| 00:04.48 | doug | and i am now reducing the thumbnails per page from 50 to 10, their max dimension from 150 to 70, |
| 00:04.48 | Guerin | ) |
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| 00:05.03 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 00:05.11 | Guerin | doug: reducing the number per page will mean more connections, more page refreshes |
| 00:05.17 | cafuego | hello, rainy melbourne |
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| 00:05.29 | dodgyville | What is the package name for the php4 docs? Testing only seems to have php3-doc... |
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| 00:05.39 | abrotman | dodgyville: php4-doc? |
| 00:05.39 | dodgyville | cafuego: It is a bit rainy today. |
| 00:05.40 | doug | Guerin: maybe but it will space out the blocks of requests |
| 00:05.51 | dodgyville | abrotman: Not on mine :( |
| 00:05.52 | paxmaster | hello there i am trying to configuring a dns server and which file should i add $TTL and SOA |
| 00:05.53 | abrotman | dodgyville: -common i guess |
| 00:05.54 | doug | plus i gotta deal with these wgetting and firefox tabbing junkies |
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| 00:06.12 | Guerin | paxmaster: you almost certainly don't need to run your own dns server |
| 00:06.22 | doug | life's tough :) |
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| 00:06.28 | Guerin | paxmaster: and if you do, you need to find someone competent to set up and administer it |
| 00:06.28 | cafuego | dodgyville: Doesn't look like there are any... |
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| 00:06.40 | abrotman | paxmaster: the bind ARM is fantastic .. read it |
| 00:06.56 | simonrvn | yes. very good doc |
| 00:06.58 | cafuego | doug: I'd go for 256MB ram at a minimum |
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| 00:07.06 | paxmaster | i have to do it because i am taking a course in linux networking |
| 00:07.19 | abrotman | paxmaster: really .. read the Bind ARM |
| 00:07.23 | Guerin | if it's static pages without ssl, cpu shouldn't be much of an issue, but ram will be |
| 00:07.27 | doug | cafuego: in light of my 50KB/s capacity and this flow of visitors, where for today should i set the max keepalive requests? |
| 00:07.29 | doug | ballpark |
| 00:07.34 | paxmaster | yea of course i am reading a howto |
| 00:07.34 | doug | i'm going for low latency |
| 00:07.37 | cafuego | doug: Also consider a few ipchains rules to limit connections to 2/sec from any given host. |
| 00:07.37 | Guerin | paxmaster: then you DEFINITELY need to find the answer for yourself :) |
| 00:07.40 | dodgyville | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:07.49 | paxmaster | but it for redhat |
| 00:07.56 | paxmaster | yea of course i am reading a howto |
| 00:07.57 | paxmaster | but it for redhat |
| 00:08.02 | abrotman | paxmaster: #dns |
| 00:08.12 | simonrvn | yeh, i need to do that.. dumbass me forgot to do that... |
| 00:08.16 | doug | cafuego: That's exactly what i was wondering the existance of |
| 00:08.17 | paxmaster | there no /var/named in debian |
| 00:08.18 | cafuego | doug: Turn them way down, I reckon. |
| 00:08.26 | simonrvn | -m limit |
| 00:08.36 | abrotman | paxmaster: read the Bind ARM |
| 00:08.37 | doug | cafuego: how does 10 sound? |
| 00:08.40 | cafuego | doug: -m limit in the -t nat PREROUTING chain |
| 00:08.46 | Guerin | paxmaster: many of the principles apply. Learn to use the debian tools dpkg -S; dpkg -L) to find out where certain files are located on a debian box; read the debian changelogs in /usr/share/doc/* |
| 00:08.46 | paxmaster | i am |
| 00:08.55 | abrotman | paxmaster: on your debian box? or the online one? |
| 00:09.06 | cafuego | doug: yeah, that'll disconnect after a page loads and they don't immediately click again |
| 00:09.21 | paxmaster | is there a howto that for debian only |
| 00:09.37 | christor | man debian |
| 00:09.45 | abrotman | paxmaster: the docs on your debian box .. might have debian specific stuff .. what file do they wnat you do mess with in /var/named? |
| 00:09.53 | Guerin | paxmaster: why? do you want to learn how to do it for debian only? Don't want your skills to be portable? |
| 00:09.58 | doug | cafuego: my skills are low, i'd have no idea where to start with that nat PREROUTING suggestion |
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| 00:10.11 | abrotman | paxmaster: which version of debian? |
| 00:10.19 | paxmaster | sarge |
| 00:10.26 | abrotman | which version of bind? |
| 00:10.45 | paxmaster | 9 |
| 00:10.55 | abrotman | paxmaster: apt-cache search bind9 doc |
| 00:11.01 | paxmaster | ok |
| 00:11.13 | cafuego | iptables -t nat -N LIMIT; iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST,ACK SYN -j LIMIT; iptables -t nat -A LIMIT -i eth0 -m limit --limit 2/sec --limit-burst 8 -j RETURN; iptables -t nat -A LIMIT -i eth0 -j DROP |
| 00:11.46 | cafuego | doug: That will route stuff from prerouting to limit, the limit table will allow 2 conencts per sec with a max burst of 8. |
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| 00:12.02 | cafuego | doug: Tweak those last 2 figures as you see fit. |
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| 00:12.15 | doug | okay doing it, thanks |
| 00:12.22 | lucox | Guerin: yes it is so ... i see this dependences :( ... for example one friend of mine - he is linux and debian newbie - i installed him synaptic - that seems pretty - but this way as i mentioned he uninstalled accidently "half" of the system by choosing one package to uninstall - this is very stupid |
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| 00:13.09 | zinx | lucox: it's not like it doesn't show you what it's going to uninstall |
| 00:13.15 | Guerin | lucox: it never does anything without warning... why is he uninstalling things if he doesn't know what they do? |
| 00:13.22 | zinx | lucox: he couldn't very well have kept that stuff without the package. |
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| 00:13.35 | crashbg | he can throw a hammer to the pc too :) |
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| 00:13.58 | cafuego | lucox: So if synaptic told him it was going to remove all that stuff, why did he say yes anyway? It didn't decide yo magically run without asking. |
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| 00:14.30 | agabus | could someone please help me optimize my compiler for my processor. i'm unsure how to do it |
| 00:14.38 | safe | Which laptop is good for Linux? |
| 00:14.46 | cafuego | safe: www.linux-laptop.net |
| 00:14.52 | crashbg | agabus, don't you have to recompile the kernel? |
| 00:14.53 | abrotman | agabus: #gcc ... it is c/c++ right? |
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| 00:15.08 | crashbg | safe, tuxmobile.org |
| 00:15.15 | abrotman | or emperorlinux? |
| 00:15.15 | agabus | fair enough i'll check gcc |
| 00:15.29 | abrotman | agabus: you mean you want to compile with good options .. or a compiler that is made for your CPU? |
| 00:15.43 | cafuego | safe: 1) make sure the wifi will work 2) Winmodem sucks 3) nvidia is probably a safer bet. |
| 00:15.45 | dottedquad | this is great. I'm logged in as root in the konsole and i tried /etc/fstab and i get back Permission denied |
| 00:15.55 | Guerin | agabus: apt-get install build-essential # done |
| 00:15.56 | cafuego | !gentoosmite resiak |
| 00:15.58 | resiak | dottedquad: What did you do to /etc/fstab ? |
| 00:16.02 | abrotman | dottedquad: tried to what to it? |
| 00:16.06 | resiak | cafuego: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74072 |
| 00:16.08 | lucox | zinx & Guerin : ehm ... he is newbie as i mentioned ... and this solutions as synaptic should bring this users a "user friendly" way to managment the system - but i think it doesn't ... it's big con for linux and debian (to the new users coming from windows) |
| 00:16.10 | agabus | i mean i want to compile software specific to my process because it goes faster then because its more optimized |
| 00:16.14 | dottedquad | i just wanted to see what i have mounted |
| 00:16.15 | Guerin | safe: ibm t40 |
| 00:16.21 | abrotman | !gentoosmite agabus |
| 00:16.24 | resiak | agabus: Not really. |
| 00:16.25 | dottedquad | i'm using cdrecorder to copy an iso |
| 00:16.26 | abrotman | Guerin: g40 is good |
| 00:16.27 | silverton | safe, if you want to make sure it works in debian, or whatnot, boot the latest version of knoppix |
| 00:16.31 | nevyn | agabus: go run gentoo. |
| 00:16.36 | Guerin | agabus: do you actually know this, or are you just going on the sayso of gentoo users? |
| 00:16.39 | doug | cafuego: did that iptables command (thanks), making the website a little less resources intensive per page load, tweaking the max keepalives ... after that stuff would you bother trying to get some packet shaper in the kernel to divide the bandwidth evenly among the IPs? |
| 00:16.51 | Guerin | abrotman: ibm is good |
| 00:16.53 | abrotman | agabus: which version of debian are you running? |
| 00:16.53 | nevyn | agabus: you're right there are wins from building stuff for your cpu. |
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| 00:17.03 | agabus | (i haven't been talking to any gentoo users by the way) |
| 00:17.19 | nevyn | particularly for compression, cryptography and multimedia (video/audio encoders/players) |
| 00:17.34 | agabus | ubuntu for the moment. but i'll be back in sarge later. but i'll write down what i have to do. |
| 00:17.38 | resiak | agabus: the difference is negligible, and the time you spend recompiling things negates that anyway. There are optimised builds of libc6 and the kernel for a variety of architectures -- why not just use those? |
| 00:17.49 | abrotman | nevyn: be nice if they would thread the encoders |
| 00:17.57 | cafuego | agabus: There is no "magic optimisation setting" for CPUs. Some options will make some apps faster and others slower. |
| 00:18.04 | moon12 | is possible to connect to internet with debian via aol account? |
| 00:18.04 | Guerin | agabus: if you're using a 686, install libc6-i686 and a -686 kernel - and be happy |
| 00:18.21 | agabus | resiak - yeh but i just want to compile some software eg mozilla eg gaim with 686 |
| 00:18.26 | nevyn | resiak: that's patently false. particularly with stuff like mmx. |
| 00:18.31 | resiak | agabus: Why the hell would you want to do that? They'll make no difference. |
| 00:18.36 | nevyn | mozilla there's a win. gaim's probably not worth it. |
| 00:18.48 | cafuego | agabus: if you do as guerin suggested (or maybe buy an AMD64) you should get decent speed at no expended effort, which is the best you can hope for. |
| 00:18.48 | resiak | nevyn: The build of lame in Marillat does SSE + MMX if they're available. |
| 00:18.52 | fooz | there's the top secret option -fgo-faster |
| 00:18.55 | abrotman | nevyn: can you measure the speed of the increase? |
| 00:19.00 | nevyn | resiak: not 3dnow |
| 00:19.07 | Makro | ahm..any program for open and edit/convert/export pdf/ps files? |
| 00:19.15 | resiak | nevyn: Do you really want me to go get out my K6-2 and run lame and tell you? |
| 00:19.16 | humbolt | I have the following problem. I have a vhost and the dir is owned by xy. Now apache php creates files in the vhost dir, but not as the user xy but as www-data:www-data. xy is not in www-data group and vice versa. how can I enable xy to delete the files then? |
| 00:19.19 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:19.26 | cafuego | agabus: Both gaim and mozilla spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Recompiling them will NOT make them faster. |
| 00:19.39 | nevyn | abrotman: the marilat build of mplayer is built for k6 without 3dnow |
| 00:19.39 | agabus | i realize there's no top secret option to go faster lol, but u can specify your processor is a 686 instead of 386 which should make things go faster |
| 00:19.53 | BadMan | cafuego: any suggestion onw aht route to take to add a JVM for isntallers like that? |
| 00:19.56 | moon12 | I'll ask agian can I use aol account to connect to the web |
| 00:19.56 | cafuego | agabus: That's what libc6-686 is for. |
| 00:19.59 | abrotman | nevyn: i didn't ask about mplayer .. i asked if you can measure the difference |
| 00:20.01 | nevyn | agabus: for most things it's probably not worth it. |
| 00:20.17 | abrotman | moon12: most likely not .. there used to be software for it .. but it died i think |
| 00:20.26 | nevyn | abrotman: sure. |
| 00:20.27 | cafuego | BadMan: Yep. Fetch the jre .bin from Sun (NOT .rpm.bin) and apt-get install java-package. Run 'make-jpkg jre-foo.bin' |
| 00:20.27 | BadMan | dpkg has an old reference to one for woody.... |
| 00:20.34 | moon12 | dam |
| 00:20.36 | abrotman | nevyn: so what is the measurement? |
| 00:20.37 | resiak | nevyn: OMGWTF mplayer-k6 - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux |
| 00:20.39 | abrotman | BadMan: huh? |
| 00:20.41 | nevyn | abrotman: you can write a very short piece of code. |
| 00:20.46 | agabus | but if i'm going to compile some stuff anyway, i would like to know how to set it to my cpu |
| 00:20.47 | Gumby | can anyone tell me if it is possible to figure out which module might be using eth1 ? |
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| 00:20.50 | BadMan | !JVM |
| 00:20.50 | dpkg | i heard jvm is Java Virtual Machine. deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody non-free |
| 00:20.51 | abrotman | nevyn: that wasn't what i asked you |
| 00:20.53 | resiak | nevyn: apt-cache search ^mplayer -- OH GOOD GRIEF! There are optimised builds! |
| 00:20.54 | nevyn | resiak: right.. k6.. but 3dnow is not enabled. |
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| 00:20.58 | abrotman | BadMan: and? |
| 00:20.59 | Guerin | gah |
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| 00:21.04 | cafuego | agabus: most fucntions that benefit from cpu optimisation live in libc. ALl apps use libc. Installing an optimsied libc will make everything faster. Again, no effort expended. |
| 00:21.10 | Guerin | jus use gentoo, ftlog |
| 00:21.13 | resiak | nevyn: You sure about that? |
| 00:21.15 | crashbg | there is k7 |
| 00:21.17 | crashbg | version |
| 00:21.17 | fooz | cafuego, not ALL apps |
| 00:21.18 | BadMan | just wondering if there aas one for sarge... i asked pkg 8) |
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| 00:21.28 | abrotman | BadMan: /msg dpkg java |
| 00:21.30 | abrotman | BadMan: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 00:21.31 | fooz | cafuego, modula-3 apps probably won't :) |
| 00:21.32 | cafuego | crashbg: -k7 is a virtual package that fetches -k6 |
| 00:21.36 | Guerin | crashbg: I believe it's a metapackage which graps k6 |
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| 00:21.38 | Xirzon | Hi. I've just done an apt-get upgrade on sarge, and my USB mouse is now making problems (double clicking when it shouldn't be). is this a known issue? |
| 00:21.39 | humbolt | I cant set umask to 000 just for the reason that the users can read/write everything that gets created in their homedirs?! |
| 00:21.48 | jair_11 | hello guys, something very weird is happening in my laptop "sarge" RC3 |
| 00:21.50 | moon12 | ok I just installed debain 3 the default kernel is 2.2 how do I go bout upgrading to 2.4 or 2.6 without having access to the web via linux? |
| 00:21.51 | crashbg | hmm maybe :) |
| 00:21.56 | Xirzon | also, is there an easy way for me to check what packages were affected in the last upgrade? |
| 00:22.02 | BadMan | okie thanks |
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| 00:22.05 | jair_11 | I install cups and all the datbase of foomatic drivers |
| 00:22.05 | Guerin | humbolt: no, don't do that |
| 00:22.05 | crashbg | moon12, install sarge with netinstall |
| 00:22.08 | cafuego | humbolt: apache runs as www-data, not as whatever user's pages it's loading. |
| 00:22.11 | crashbg | it's with 2.6 kernel |
| 00:22.17 | nevyn | crashbg: read it again. |
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| 00:22.30 | jair_11 | I set up already two printers one laser color and the other one bw |
| 00:22.44 | moon12 | crashhb - kernel version 2.2 |
| 00:23.10 | jair_11 | both of the printers get print outs from the "openoffice" application but not from the firefox or thunderbird? any idea? |
| 00:23.13 | abrotman | i still don't understand why in the hell you would run debian and spend your time recompiling crap .. |
| 00:23.17 | humbolt | cafuego: I know that. but it creates files as www-data with permissions according to umask. and those files cant be deleted by the owner of the vhost dir then! |
| 00:23.19 | jonz | Can anyone please tell me how the boot.img.gz was specifically made at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 00:23.32 | hdkiller | What can be if a load goes up around ~200, and the system start swapping? |
| 00:23.33 | jonz | it seems that that image is the only image i can find that will work as a usb bootable image on my usb keychain |
| 00:23.40 | daft | How can I boot grub from lino? |
| 00:23.43 | daft | lilo* |
| 00:23.44 | abrotman | hdkiller: you're killing your hd :) |
| 00:23.45 | jonz | and unfortunately i need to repack that image in a 1G image |
| 00:23.45 | hdkiller | Just for five minutes.. |
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| 00:24.00 | cafuego | humbolt: That depends on whether you've got group permissions set up correctly. |
| 00:24.03 | hdkiller | .. ;> |
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| 00:24.22 | streuner | daft: you use lilo _OR_ grub - not both |
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| 00:24.50 | hdkiller | Anybody have an idea? |
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| 00:24.55 | streuner | daft: sarge? |
| 00:24.57 | jair_11 | cafuego, I am having a weird thing happening to my sarge RC3 |
| 00:24.59 | daft | streuner: i like grub better but you can select the os on reboot with lilo |
| 00:25.05 | daft | streuner: sid |
| 00:25.25 | Guerin | hdkiller: reboot |
| 00:25.30 | streuner | daft: well, what's your question then? |
| 00:25.33 | jair_11 | I can print to two laser printers one color and other bw from OO but I can't from the mozilla firefox or thinderbird? |
| 00:25.40 | daft | How can I boot grub from lino? |
| 00:25.40 | Guerin | daft: oh, but you can't do that with grub |
| 00:25.41 | Wyzard | daft: If you mean that LILO lets you choose to boot other OSes like Windows that are installed on your system, GRUB can do that just fine too |
| 00:25.48 | razorbuzz | Evenin'. When booting from the installation CD (Woody) I encounter a problem of my USB keyboard not working once the main screen loads from disk. The KB works before the CD boots. Unfortunately, I do not have a PS/2 KB to install with. I have already googled for a solution, as well as searching the individual FAQ's to no avail. Any suggestions? |
| 00:25.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: xenogears! |
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| 00:26.05 | daft | Wyzard: SOnt on reboot |
| 00:26.08 | daft | not* |
| 00:26.11 | Wyzard | abrotman: Nope, I got the replacement SCSI card for my Gentoo system today, so I'm resurrecting it at the moment |
| 00:26.22 | Guerin | razorbuzz: which kernel did you boot to? |
| 00:26.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: you can get lots of gaming done while it compiles :) |
| 00:26.26 | daft | I want to reboot to windows for example |
| 00:26.26 | humbolt | cafuego: As I said, I do not have www-data in the userxy group and userxy not in the www-data group, since my users are only virtual (stored in a db) and not known to by the system, just by proftpd, postfix, courier. |
| 00:26.28 | Wyzard | daft: Yes on reboot... the bootloader doesn't know or care whether you're rebooting or just turned on the pwoer |
| 00:26.38 | daft | Wyzard: lilo cares |
| 00:26.47 | hdkiller | Guerin, i it's ok now, the loads just 1-3.. the server restarted two days ago btw.. (was something like this.. load around ~400) |
| 00:27.00 | resiak | razorbuzz: Would it be out of place to suggest you install Sarge? |
| 00:27.10 | streuner | daft: man lilo.conf |
| 00:27.12 | razorbuzz | Guerin, I assume it's 2.4. It's the one loading immediately from the disk into memory before the install takes place. |
| 00:27.18 | jair_11 | the printers I have works from the open office but then, they do not respond from the Firefox browser or thunderbird? |
| 00:27.21 | streuner | daft: its easy with lilo, no idea about grub |
| 00:27.22 | resiak | razorbuzz: You didn't start with bf24 ? |
| 00:27.25 | Wyzard | daft: GRUB has no problems whatsoever booting any OS you choose, on any reboot |
| 00:27.25 | abrotman | razorbuzz: uname -r |
| 00:27.29 | doug | cafuego: would that iptables command you gave me survive a reboot or should i throw it in the inetd |
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| 00:27.36 | Guerin | razorbuzz: don't assume - woody's default kernel is 2.2.20 |
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| 00:27.45 | Guerin | and I don't believe it has usb support |
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| 00:27.55 | abrotman | razorbuzz: uname -r .. what does it say? |
| 00:27.59 | Guerin | abrotman: he has no keyboard, sonny |
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| 00:28.09 | abrotman | oh god |
| 00:28.09 | humbolt | I do not want all vhost dirs to be www-data group since if I would grant anybody ssh access everybody could access all dirs and write to any file that has write perms for group, which is pretty common with php projects. |
| 00:28.12 | razorbuzz | resiak: Not at all so long as it has USB support. |
| 00:28.25 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: rube goldberg install? |
| 00:28.25 | resiak | razorbuzz: Is this for a desktop system?# |
| 00:28.25 | BiNaRiO | chau |
| 00:28.25 | ravenbird | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 00:28.26 | abrotman | 2.2.20-idepci has no usb support |
| 00:28.37 | Guerin | !d-i razorbuzz |
| 00:28.38 | dpkg | razorbuzz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:28.39 | resiak | !d-i razorbuzz |
| 00:28.41 | daft | Wyzard: you dont get it I have a boot selection gnu/linux windows dos gnu/hurd in grub with lilo you can select the next OS when you reboot so i want to boot grub after lilo |
| 00:28.42 | Guerin | hah |
| 00:28.44 | fooz | i've installed with a punch card reader |
| 00:28.46 | Guerin | resiak: slapper |
| 00:29.14 | razorbuzz | resiak: Yes and no. I read that sarge would be better for desktop systems, but I plan on switching my servers to it eventually (they're currently sitting an an RH9 box to my left) |
| 00:29.39 | resiak | razorbuzz: I'd use Sarge over RH9 for a server _any_ day. Hell, that's what I do :) |
| 00:29.41 | abrotman | razorbuzz: so you're testing internally ? |
| 00:29.56 | razorbuzz | abrot, on a second machine. |
| 00:29.58 | Wyzard | daft: I don't get what you're saying about "select the next OS when you reboot"... you reboot, the bootloader runs again, you press Shift or Escape or whatever and choose which OS you want |
| 00:30.08 | Wyzard | daft: How's that different from what you want? |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | razorbuzz: use sarge .. by the time you're done evaluating .. it might be released |
| 00:30.26 | daft | Wyzard: I dont want to choose then. I want to do nothing when the mashine reboots |
| 00:30.40 | daft | Wyzard: you can DO that with lilo "trust me" |
| 00:30.40 | razorbuzz | resiak: I learned on Slack, move to RH was too easy, now looking for something to actually USE. =) Off to Sarge I go. |
| 00:30.45 | Guerin | Wyzard: i think he talking about something like reboot --boot-with=windows |
| 00:30.51 | resiak | razorbuzz: Use, love, etc.# |
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| 00:31.10 | Wyzard | daft: ah... and with LILO, how do you specify prior to shutdown what OS you want it to come back up with? |
| 00:31.11 | razorbuzz | Thanks ya'll |
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| 00:31.26 | LeBear | hey hey |
| 00:31.45 | jair_11 | guys how can I make mozilla firefox or thunderbird work with the cupsys? |
| 00:31.59 | daft | Wyzard: /sbin/lilo -R - set default command line for next reboot |
| 00:32.02 | Guerin | daft: you CAN do that with grub ... just edit your menu.list boot order |
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| 00:32.12 | LeBear | Where's the proper way to tell X to open a tcp listening socket for remote connections in Debian Sarge? |
| 00:32.18 | jair_11 | the applications openoffice works good the printers respond but not from the email thunderbird or mozilla-firefox |
| 00:32.19 | daft | Guerin: windows isnt my 1st list order |
| 00:32.32 | jair_11 | the pdf files works as well |
| 00:32.39 | pipeline | jair_11: You probably have 2-4 options. Choose the one that has your printer name in it -- e.g. "Postscript/hl5140_series" in my case |
| 00:32.44 | Phated | You could do that in lilo too, just change the default OS. |
| 00:32.49 | Guerin | daft: you can change that, is my point. But it sounds like lilo does it properly... |
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| 00:32.58 | Guerin | daft: nono, I understand you. |
| 00:33.12 | Guerin | !tell LeBear about sshx |
| 00:33.21 | jair_11 | pipeline, that have something to do with thunderbird and the firefox printing? |
| 00:33.28 | daft | debian is nr 1 nr 2 is windows I want to tell linux reboot to windows |
| 00:33.40 | daft | lilo -R |
| 00:33.46 | daft | but i try it my self |
| 00:33.48 | LeBear | Oh.. hrmmmmm ok.. I'll try that. |
| 00:33.50 | LeBear | Guerin: thanks |
| 00:34.04 | resiak | There _must_ be some way to tell grub to do that that isn't `vi /boot/grub/menu.lst` |
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| 00:34.19 | jair_11 | pipeline, this is the driver I am using for the Dell BW Dell M5200 Foomatic/Postscript (recommended) |
| 00:34.30 | humbolt | cafuego: did you read my comments/questions? |
| 00:34.47 | jair_11 | pipeline, and for the HP color I am using this driver from the cups HP Color LaserJet 2500 Foomatic/Postscript (recommended) |
| 00:34.58 | jair_11 | i think the drivers are ok |
| 00:35.07 | jair_11 | I probably have to do something else |
| 00:35.19 | jair_11 | but is weird |
| 00:35.34 | jair_11 | it works from the pdf files and the Open Office |
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| 00:35.51 | jair_11 | but the printers do not respond to the thunderbird and firefox |
| 00:36.02 | Kero_1116 | is it possible to be at school and print a file over the internet at home? |
| 00:36.04 | squirecd | I need a little help please... I have GDM installed. Also Gnome. And Fluxbox. ...anyway. I got sick of Debian still having Blackbox v 0.65 in unstable. So, I apt-get remove'd it and downloaded, compiled, and installed the new Blackbox v .70 on my box. But now I can't figure out how to get GDM to see the new window manager and list it as a possible candidate for login in. Can someone please tell me how to manually add a new win |
| 00:36.04 | squirecd | dow manager to GDM's list? |
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| 00:36.51 | Guerin | squirecd: edit something in /etc/gdm/ |
| 00:36.52 | abrotman | squirecd: /etc/gdm/Sessions ? |
| 00:36.57 | Guerin | gdm.conf perhaps |
| 00:37.30 | LeBear | Guerin: I've set X11Forward yes, restarted sshd, used ssh -X hostname.. and I get the Can't open display: 10.10.0.68:0 error.. any idea? |
| 00:37.46 | dottedquad | i did cdrecord -scanbus and i see 0,0,0 0)'' '' '' Disk all the rest have * at the end |
| 00:37.52 | dottedquad | does that mean it found a cdrom or my burner? |
| 00:37.58 | LeBear | ooh.. hold that thought. I might not have xauth installed. |
| 00:38.02 | cafuego | humbolt: No, I was playing with my cats |
| 00:38.23 | Guerin | LeBear: you need xbase-clients installed on both client and server |
| 00:38.41 | pipeline | jair_11: I mean, on the print dialogue |
| 00:38.54 | pipeline | jair_11: Mozilla is weird, and the apps you named are all Mozilla-based |
| 00:38.57 | LeBear | Ahh. the server is missing xauth |
| 00:39.02 | alan__ | hey here's a question. i'm trying to move my entire debian install from a 3GB HDD to a 10GB HDD. what's the best way to do that? i tried booting into the existing install, mounting the new drive, and doing a `cp -va / /newroot`, but it stopped at /proc/kmsgd. any ideas? |
| 00:39.11 | pipeline | jair_11: When you hit "print" it'll pop up a dialogue and there will be a scrollbox or drop-box with three or four options |
| 00:39.13 | cafuego | humbolt: The *only* way around that is to 1) Run suexecphp, so it runs as whichever user you specify or 2) set up chroots with non-system based auth (like say mysql or ldap) |
| 00:39.36 | Kero_1116 | is it possible to be at school and print a file over the internet at home? |
| 00:39.41 | caphuso | alan__: /msg dpkg cp hd to hd |
| 00:39.42 | fooz | alan__, add an -x (man cp) |
| 00:39.54 | fooz | alan__, and repeat per each filesystem |
| 00:39.56 | crashbg | Kero_1116, on theory yea :) |
| 00:40.07 | Kero_1116 | how? |
| 00:40.10 | jair_11 | pipeline, I will check that but the thunderbird will be the same too. |
| 00:40.29 | cafuego | humbolt: Keep in mind that suexecphp needs php4-cgi and will thus be slower. |
| 00:41.03 | crashbg | Kero_1116, login with ssh to your pc and print whatever you want :) |
| 00:41.36 | humbolt | no way to simply tell php on a per directory basis what group to use when creating a file? |
| 00:41.43 | Kero_1116 | oh |
| 00:41.50 | Kero_1116 | how do u do that if i want to print a microsoft word |
| 00:41.51 | Guerin | humbolt: ask #php |
| 00:41.58 | Kero_1116 | document |
| 00:42.09 | cafuego | humbolt: Nope. Even if there was, it could only do that if it ran as root. And you don't want to be going there. |
| 00:42.21 | cafuego | Guerin: I'm helping him here, thanks. |
| 00:42.22 | jair_11 | pipeline, I think i know the problem have to be with the firefox or thunderbird command line to print |
| 00:42.34 | Guerin | cafuego: oh, ok. You're welcome. |
| 00:42.47 | crashbg | Kero_1116, what os are you using back home |
| 00:42.57 | jair_11 | pipeline, because when I try to print from any of them the printing do not respond. and they are the same dialog to do the print out |
| 00:43.18 | cafuego | LeBear: if you forward X11 though ssh, ouyr |
| 00:43.18 | jair_11 | it is any room fro thunderbird or mozilla firefox |
| 00:43.19 | jair_11 | ? |
| 00:43.28 | LeBear | Guerin: ok.. still getting the error. I've reconnected with ssh -X too.. xauth is on both the client and server.. and I got a message when I ssh'd from xauth about creating a new authority file |
| 00:43.37 | cafuego | DISPLAY should be :0.10 NOT something that's set to the host you logged in from. |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | humbolt: you could use the system call and chown it |
| 00:43.47 | humbolt | can I make the system aware of the groups in my mysql db so I can make www-data user member of every userxy group at least? |
| 00:43.55 | LeBear | cafuego: just :0.10 ? |
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| 00:44.05 | cafuego | LeBear: Normally yes. |
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| 00:44.30 | cafuego | LeBear: The X11DisplayOffset would deterine the actual number. |
| 00:44.39 | alan__ | fooz: so is "the tar trick" dpkg recommended better than/same as cp -ax ? |
| 00:44.44 | LeBear | Ahh ssh set it for me.. excellent.. trying again. |
| 00:44.50 | xam | cafuego: ermm, don't you mean something like "localhost:10.0" ? |
| 00:44.57 | cafuego | xam: aaaahyes |
| 00:45.01 | moon12 | what command do I use to start the gui? startx does not work some reason? |
| 00:45.09 | cafuego | LeBear: basically, DO NOT modify DISPLAY after you ssh _X in. |
| 00:45.09 | LeBear | Rocking! :) |
| 00:45.13 | fooz | alan__, it's not a trick, it's a normal use of tar |
| 00:45.20 | LeBear | cafuego: Guerin: Thanks muchly.. That got it working |
| 00:45.23 | fooz | alan__, they both copy files.. that's what you want, right? |
| 00:45.24 | dvs | moon12: What does it say? |
| 00:45.28 | jair_11 | anyone has been installed "sarge" and had problems printing from firefox or thunderbird? |
| 00:45.40 | silverton | nope |
| 00:45.44 | alan__ | fooz: yes, but which would be faster on a 233MHz thing with 32MB ram? :) |
| 00:45.46 | silverton | printing works fine for me |
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| 00:45.47 | moon12 | nothing happens |
| 00:45.50 | humbolt | what is the standard way to go with vhost dirs? what permissions to set, what groups should own them, what about setuid bit. how do I make the owner of a vhost dir able to read/write files created by php as user www-data:www-data? |
| 00:45.56 | fooz | alan__, cp |
| 00:46.00 | dvs | moon12: No messages or anything? |
| 00:46.00 | alan__ | ok thanks |
| 00:46.06 | LeBear | cafuego: yeah.. makes sense. I forgot that I added a line to the script to set DISPLAY because I was connecting to a cygwin xserver before and using the tcp connection for it to work. |
| 00:46.11 | moon12 | nope |
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| 00:46.52 | abrotman | humbolt: #apache |
| 00:47.05 | toad | any recent hanging bugs in debian's xfree86 fork? |
| 00:47.11 | xam | jair_11: no problems with printing. Make sure you have xprint installed |
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| 00:47.13 | abrotman | what .. fork? |
| 00:47.21 | abrotman | !tell toad about bts |
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| 00:47.31 | cafuego | humbolt: it's a bit tricky when you give users ssh access. If you ran just ftp, a chroot would be easy |
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| 00:48.02 | crashbg | dpkg, toad tell about bts |
| 00:48.08 | crashbg | hmm :) |
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| 00:48.13 | abrotman | crashbg: nice |
| 00:48.17 | humbolt | cafuego: the chroot for ftp I have |
| 00:48.25 | jair_11 | xam, xprint? |
| 00:48.37 | jair_11 | xam, that what will do? |
| 00:49.04 | cafuego | humbolt: if that's in place, something like proftpd-mysql can be made to map virtual UIDs. All my web stuff is owned by 10000:www-data |
| 00:49.08 | pingouin | someone have already use pxudate for update firware Plextor drive ? |
| 00:49.09 | crashbg | dpkg tell crashbg about everything |
| 00:49.16 | popmonkey | my debian box is segfaulting in tar, ls -la, date, sleep. strace shows clock_gettime(0, <unfinished ...> just before the SIGSEGV |
| 00:49.16 | popmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.30 | popmonkey | also apt-get so i can't update |
| 00:49.34 | crashbg | dpkg telling yourself: hmm... everything is something, or the everything engine, a Content Management System found at http://www.everydevel.com, or http://www.everything2.com/ |
| 00:49.40 | xam | jair: yes, have to be installed and running. it is basically a virtual X-Server, that does not display on the screen, but print out on the printer instead. Firefox/Mozilla uses it |
| 00:49.54 | cafuego | humbolt: Coz they're all chrooted, nobody can see anyone else's stuff and ALL files are owned by the same shell user, it's just mapped to a different username string depending on what people log in as. |
| 00:49.56 | linoleum | hello, I would like a good IRC client... I would like xchat-gnome, or xchat aquat, and not the normal xchat , but there is no xchat-gome under SID ... how can I have it ? |
| 00:49.57 | crashbg | hahaha |
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| 00:50.05 | jair_11 | xam, cool I will try to install that them |
| 00:50.37 | popmonkey | my kernel: 2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 00:50.44 | pingouin | i got ata drive that i can see with cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI = 0,0,0 , but the pxupdate complain about scsi : ./pxupdate-1.39-i686-pc-linux-gnu: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. i've loaded scsi module (sg, ide-scsi) but still error, no clue ? |
| 00:50.53 | jair_11 | xam, how I will know if is running or no? |
| 00:50.56 | xam | jair_11: actually, if you run mozilla or firefox, it usually complains (ie. prints out a warning) if it can't access the xprint server and tells you that printing won't work |
| 00:51.04 | cafuego | popmonkey: What CPU do you have? |
| 00:51.06 | jair_11 | xam, do I have to start it manually? |
| 00:51.07 | popmonkey | but i tried 2.4.27-1-686-smp also (which ran fine for months) |
| 00:51.11 | popmonkey | xeon 2.8 |
| 00:51.21 | popmonkey | cafeugo: xeon 2.8 |
| 00:51.22 | crashbg | popmonkey, it's dual cpu? |
| 00:51.23 | toad | hmmm |
| 00:51.28 | toad | well it crashes the whole kernel |
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| 00:51.34 | jair_11 | xam, hmmm I have sarge and I did not received any complain |
| 00:51.35 | toad | so probably not an X bug? |
| 00:51.36 | popmonkey | crashbg: single cpu, hyperthreading |
| 00:51.36 | xam | jair_11: 'ps aux| grep xprint' |
| 00:51.45 | toad | it only seems to happen when X is running... |
| 00:51.46 | crashbg | then why do you need smp? |
| 00:51.47 | jair_11 | xam, ok |
| 00:51.47 | FieldySnuts | @kill knoppix trolls |
| 00:51.50 | cafuego | crashbg: doesn't matter; -smp runs fine on uniproc machines too |
| 00:51.51 | degnu | hi what do i need to apt-get install if a need libtcl and libtk ? |
| 00:51.59 | crashbg | it's only for dual cpu's |
| 00:52.02 | jair_11 | xam, but I will have to start it all the time manually? |
| 00:52.02 | crashbg | i think... |
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| 00:52.04 | cafuego | crashbg: doesn't matter; -smp runs fine on uniproc machines too |
| 00:52.10 | popmonkey | you need smb for hyperthreading |
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| 00:52.27 | xam | jair_11: no, once you install it it will be started automatically when you boot the system |
| 00:52.28 | popmonkey | otherwise kernel doesn't recognize utilize the ht |
| 00:52.31 | humbolt | cafuego: my webstuff is owned by different users:groups that are stored in mysql and proftpd-mysql chroots just like yours but with different groups |
| 00:52.35 | popmonkey | at least that was my understanding |
| 00:52.44 | FieldySnuts | no you don't need smp for ht, they are seperate |
| 00:52.53 | cafuego | humbolt: if it chroots, just give 'em all the same uid/group id. |
| 00:52.57 | jair_11 | xam, cool |
| 00:52.59 | dvs | FieldySnuts: you sure? |
| 00:53.04 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: You need a specific version of SMP |
| 00:53.06 | jair_11 | xam, I have also openssh running at boot |
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| 00:53.20 | cafuego | But either way, an smp-enabled kernel will run FINE on a uniproc machine. |
| 00:53.20 | bykte | is bind = DNS? |
| 00:53.20 | jair_11 | xam, I want to stop that one and make it run manually |
| 00:53.21 | popmonkey | FieldySnuts: when i run ht on single threaded smp i get single entry in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:53.24 | popmonkey | with smp i get 2 |
| 00:53.24 | cafuego | bykte: yes |
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| 00:53.37 | FieldySnuts | probably user error. brb |
| 00:53.47 | degnu | ls: /usr/lib/libtcl?.?.so: No such file or directory |
| 00:53.48 | degnu | ls: /usr/lib/libtk?.?.so: No such file or directory |
| 00:53.49 | popmonkey | FieldySnuts: typos... |
| 00:53.59 | degnu | what do i need to apt-get instal to fix that? |
| 00:54.04 | degnu | im using sarge |
| 00:54.12 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: layer 8 problem |
| 00:54.14 | popmonkey | i meant: when i run non-smp i get singe entry in /proc/cpuinfo. with cmp i get both |
| 00:54.14 | jair_11 | xam, ok it is running |
| 00:54.23 | jair_11 | xam, I shuld restart cupsys |
| 00:54.30 | jair_11 | xam, and the computer as well? |
| 00:54.31 | simonrvn | popmonkey: duh |
| 00:54.34 | popmonkey | argh s/cmp/smp/ |
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| 00:54.44 | crashbg | rm -r *sleepy* |
| 00:54.48 | crashbg | :) |
| 00:54.54 | xam | jair_11: man update-rc.d ... or even simpler: just delete /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh |
| 00:55.08 | quittt | LAYLAAA |
| 00:55.10 | popmonkey | simonrvn: is it just a side effect of the smp kernel then? |
| 00:55.12 | quittt | you've got on my kness |
| 00:55.18 | xam | jair_11: no, you don't have to restart the PC. I don't know whether you have to restart cups, but I doubt it |
| 00:55.20 | quittt | I have 102 hours of music... is it too much or a little? |
| 00:55.29 | simonrvn | popmonkey: "side-effect"? do you know what SMP means? |
| 00:55.29 | popmonkey | i've run smp kernels on single cpus and and cpuinfo shows one entry |
| 00:55.33 | toad | hmm.. might be an oops fixed by 2.6.11.7 |
| 00:55.53 | jair_11 | xam, ok |
| 00:55.55 | humbolt | cafuego: might be the most simple approach! |
| 00:55.57 | simonrvn | @smp |
| 00:55.58 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! ... |
| 00:56.04 | xam | jair_11: xprint should have been started once you installed it; you can check with 'ps' ... |
| 00:56.07 | jair_11 | I try to print it now and it did not work I will try restarting cups |
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| 00:56.14 | popmonkey | yes, i know what it means symmetric multiprocessor or something like that |
| 00:56.22 | jair_11 | xam, yes it is working it is running |
| 00:56.28 | jair_11 | xam, I check it |
| 00:56.38 | jair_11 | xam, what distro are you running now? |
| 00:56.38 | Gumby | does anyone know if it is possible to tell which driver is using eth1. eth1 is not configured yet it still exists and its messing with my wireless |
| 00:56.39 | popmonkey | but a xeon chip acts like a dual proc |
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| 00:56.44 | cafuego | humbolt: 't is... but will require some work... |
| 00:56.52 | xam | jair_11: debian/sarge ;) |
| 00:56.58 | jair_11 | mee too. |
| 00:57.01 | jair_11 | xam, ok |
| 00:57.08 | jair_11 | do you use thunderbird? |
| 00:57.11 | jair_11 | or firefox? |
| 00:57.12 | dvs | Gumby: lspci | grep Eth |
| 00:57.15 | humbolt | cafuego: do you use any interface to admin your vhosts? |
| 00:57.26 | jair_11 | xam, do you use thunderbird? or firefox? |
| 00:57.30 | humbolt | like syscp/cpanel/webmin? |
| 00:57.32 | xam | jair_11: nope, still using mutt. I've set up thunderbird, but rarely use it |
| 00:57.36 | cafuego | humbolt: no, cmdline scripts. Set up and forget type thing. |
| 00:57.41 | popmonkey | anyway, it doesn't really matter to the problem @ hand. the system was fine a few days ago, and now anything that calls clock_gettime segfaults |
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| 00:57.59 | alan__ | popmonkey: that's intel's hyperthreading 'feature', which may allow a speedup on certain tasks as it juggles more than one process at a time. but it really kill ones cache as you flip between two threads on one cpu |
| 00:58.15 | popmonkey | alan__: rgr |
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| 00:58.30 | popmonkey | the problem i came to discuss is not smp however ;) |
| 00:58.32 | xam | jair_11: I use firefox mostly (switched over from mozilla). I could never stand konqueror/galeon/... |
| 00:58.34 | kang1 | http://kopete.kde.org cannot be reached. who to report to? |
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| 00:59.04 | jair_11 | xam, ok |
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| 00:59.30 | jair_11 | please tell me that you can print from firefox or thunderbird? |
| 00:59.36 | a_monkey | how do i set digest mode for a certain debian mailing list thingy? |
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| 00:59.39 | popmonkey | i googled for a while and found a bunch of folks who've had the same exact problem as me, but no one has any answers |
| 00:59.40 | jair_11 | xam, can you print from them? |
| 00:59.46 | kang1 | //http:kopete.kde.org cannot be reached. who to alert? |
| 00:59.50 | a_monkey | LIST-DAEMON COMMAND {{ DIGEST MODE FLAG TRUE TOGGLE }} STOP END |
| 00:59.52 | jair_11 | IT IS NOT WORKING |
| 00:59.52 | akhayyat | which fs is better for desktop usage: reiserfs or ext3??? |
| 01:00.01 | a_monkey | i think you have to send something like that somewhere |
| 01:00.05 | xam | jair_11: yes, I can print from mozilla browser and firefox, never tried with thunderbird. I'm using cups btw aswell |
| 01:00.08 | popmonkey | apt-get, tar, ls -l, date, sleep, everything that calls clock_gettime segfaults |
| 01:00.25 | a_monkey | just don't know where... |
| 01:00.27 | dvs | akhayyat: I find ext3 easier to recover from |
| 01:00.38 | humbolt | cafuego: somebody is telling me that the sticky bit on dirs would cause new files to be created with the group bit writeable?! |
| 01:00.41 | jair_11 | xam, I really feel like in a jail of lions without any knife |
| 01:00.41 | popmonkey | can i rebuild the system using an update CD? |
| 01:00.51 | jair_11 | xam, I don't know what to do |
| 01:01.02 | Gumby | dvs: that returns nothing unfortunately |
| 01:01.29 | xam | jair_11: have you checked the printer setting in firefox/mozilla? eg. the 'print command'? it should be lp or lpr (depending on your installed software) |
| 01:01.35 | jair_11 | xam, it is printing with no problem from the open office application, pdf files, pictures, but not from the ffox or thunder.. |
| 01:01.47 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:01.55 | jair_11 | xam, I will check that |
| 01:01.59 | toad | akhayyat: reiserfs is faster and better space usage. ext3 is more mature. nowadays reiserfsck is pretty good, however, ext2's tools are certainly better tested |
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| 01:02.31 | toad | oh and don't use LVM if you don't have backups |
| 01:02.35 | jair_11 | xam, this is the print command from the firefox: lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME} |
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| 01:03.19 | xam | jair_11: looks good. Try out whether 'lpr' is actually working, eg. 'lpr /etc/hosts' |
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| 01:03.21 | jair_11 | xam, and this one is from the thinder... lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME} |
| 01:03.35 | kang1 | i have a file which is marked 'executable by others' but it cannot be executed by non-root. how now? |
| 01:03.36 | jair_11 | xam, ok |
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| 01:04.11 | jair_11 | xam, caracas:~# lpr /etc/hosts |
| 01:04.12 | jair_11 | -su: lpr: command not found |
| 01:04.15 | Flour | Hi. I was looking through a dpkg -l, and a lot of my packages are marked 'rc'. I want to purge all of these packages. I tried dpkg -P -a, but it doesn't change anything. |
| 01:04.23 | jair_11 | xam, i get command not found |
| 01:04.28 | xam | jair_11: there you go, that's the problem ;) |
| 01:04.28 | akhayyat | dvs: how would i recover lost directories in ext3?? does e2fsck do it? |
| 01:04.34 | jair_11 | xam, ok |
| 01:04.41 | jair_11 | then the lpr is not really working |
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| 01:04.52 | xam | jair_11: apt-get install cupsys-bsd |
| 01:04.56 | popmonkey | anyone here willing to take a look at snippet of /var/log/messages during my boot cycle? it's interesting ;) |
| 01:05.00 | jair_11 | xam, what is wrong with this crap? |
| 01:05.07 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:05.12 | popmonkey | i can paste to #flood |
| 01:05.17 | jair_11 | xam, I will check |
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| 01:05.59 | dvs | akhayyat: yes |
| 01:06.07 | jair_11 | xam, |
| 01:06.10 | toad | lost how? |
| 01:06.15 | toad | due to corruption? |
| 01:06.21 | jair_11 | xam, can i send you the question I am getting? |
| 01:06.23 | toad | i don't think you can undelete on ext3 :< |
| 01:06.25 | toad | or reiser |
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| 01:06.32 | xam | jair_11: there used to be two flavours of unix, SVR4 and BSD, and SVR4 systems use the command 'lp' to print files, and BSD use 'lpr'. Cups comes with both, but debian only installs 'lp' by default |
| 01:06.41 | jair_11 | xam, through pastebin is there are some couple of lines |
| 01:06.44 | dan2 | abrotman: yo |
| 01:06.45 | xam | okay |
| 01:06.56 | jair_11 | xam, nice |
| 01:07.01 | abrotman | dan2: oy |
| 01:07.05 | jair_11 | it sound that can be that |
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| 01:07.09 | akhayyat | dvs: i had a breif power failure which resulted in many folders corruption on an external HD.. all e2fsck did is it removed corrupted folders!!! that's not a smart way to fix the problem, is it?? |
| 01:07.23 | fooz | akhayyat, it depends |
| 01:07.25 | jair_11 | xam, I will send you the question I have installing the cupsys-bsd |
| 01:07.28 | fooz | akhayyat, were you writing them at the time? |
| 01:07.29 | toad | akhayyat didn't they go to lost+found ? |
| 01:07.30 | dvs | akhayyat: Not in my books. |
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| 01:07.37 | popmonkey | yeesh, i though #flood was for pasting stuff :( |
| 01:07.43 | xam | jair_11 okay |
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| 01:07.59 | fooz | akhayyat, it discards entries when they're useless |
| 01:08.10 | jair_11 | xam, http://pastebin.com/270999 |
| 01:08.18 | humbolt | is there a way to inherit permissions of a parent dir on creation of a child dir? |
| 01:08.23 | jair_11 | there is the question I shuld anwer yes? |
| 01:09.13 | popmonkey | so aside from getting a schooling on smp vs. non-smp, is anyone aware of what could cause tar, ls -l, date, sleep, etc. to segfault when it hits clock_gettime? |
| 01:09.22 | jair_11 | xam, it sound logical that I should say yes? |
| 01:09.25 | akhayyat | toad, few files went there, but i'm talking about large 2nd level directories in the structure.. that was a huge loss that i'm considering reiserfs, but not sure if it will provide any better reliability |
| 01:09.26 | jair_11 | "yes" |
| 01:09.26 | toad | fooz: everyone makes mistakes. even the writers of filesystems. |
| 01:09.33 | popmonkey | is it a library issue? kernel? hardware? rootkit? |
| 01:09.34 | kang1 | a file with property 'executable by others' should be executable by non-root? |
| 01:09.35 | fooz | popmonkey, are you sure that's segfaulting it? |
| 01:09.45 | fooz | popmonkey, you probably have bad RAM. |
| 01:09.49 | popmonkey | fooz: yeah, strace on all of those always ends the same way |
| 01:09.59 | fooz | popmonkey, strace only traces system calls. system calls won't segfault |
| 01:10.01 | popmonkey | fooz: i thought so too. i replaced the ram with no changes |
| 01:10.05 | akhayyat | fooz, i wasn't writing but probably reading |
| 01:10.06 | toad | akhayyat: debatable - hans reiser would of course say reiserfs is more reliable than any other filesystem. anyone who ever lost data from it would disagree. |
| 01:10.06 | fooz | popmonkey, try ltrace or gdb |
| 01:10.14 | Xenguy | humbolt: what are the perms on the parent dir? |
| 01:10.27 | toad | akhayyat: there are tools to recover files by their signatures... |
| 01:10.29 | xam | jair_11: it sounds logical. However it might still work if you say no. You can change your desicion later by running 'dpkg-reconfigure cupsys-bsd' |
| 01:10.42 | akhayyat | toad, like what?? |
| 01:10.43 | toad | not sure what it was called, came across it another day - there's a debian package for it |
| 01:10.54 | jair_11 | xam, ok |
| 01:11.03 | akhayyat | toad, and where would there signatures be? |
| 01:11.05 | fooz | i've never lost anything to ext3 or LVM |
| 01:11.08 | fooz | so that's what I use |
| 01:11.11 | popmonkey | fooz: i don't have ltrace :( gdb is not giving me anything useful |
| 01:11.12 | toad | sorry i can't be more helpful, if i start x the system will hang |
| 01:11.18 | kang1 | shit, why only a few is chatting among themselves? |
| 01:11.21 | simonrvn | @installit |
| 01:11.21 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 01:11.23 | toad | fooz: you ever lose a drive while using LVM? |
| 01:11.27 | pipeline | jair_11: cupsys-bsd provides fake "lpr" and "lpd" programs that work like the old BSD-style ones |
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| 01:11.36 | toad | when I had to drop a drive, I lost ALL the data on the two remaining drives, with LVM |
| 01:11.36 | fooz | toad, if you lose a drive, no amount of software will help you.. |
| 01:11.40 | xam | jair_11: another option would be to change the 'lpr' command in firefox to 'lp', but you might have to change some other options aswell then |
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| 01:11.47 | fooz | toad, that's what RAID is for |
| 01:11.53 | toad | fooz: a lot of the data was on the other drives |
| 01:11.56 | pipeline | akhayyat, toad: Hans Reiser is an idiot. Nothing he says could possibly be of value. Noth worth debate. |
| 01:11.58 | toad | fooz: that's what backups are for |
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| 01:12.00 | fooz | toad, i don't see what one drive has to do with the other? |
| 01:12.06 | Lars_G | Question, the "XX YY will not enter sid until Sarge is released" is a way to pressure for the final release of sarge? |
| 01:12.08 | toad | fooz: LVM |
| 01:12.15 | fooz | toad, unless you did something silly like LVM across more than one drive |
| 01:12.18 | pipeline | toad: Restoring a RAID array is a lot faster than restoring from tape. |
| 01:12.23 | toad | pipeline: I disagree, but this is a little off topic |
| 01:12.40 | Guerin | Lars_G: yes and no. It's also a way of giving the devs less sid to worry about so they can deal with sarge |
| 01:12.45 | toad | fooz: umm, you have a VG for each drive?! why? |
| 01:12.48 | Lars_G | Guerin: Logical. |
| 01:12.55 | Lars_G | Thanks that's all I wondered |
| 01:12.57 | fooz | toad, no. you're really confused about how you should layer things, huh? |
| 01:12.58 | popmonkey | fooz: any other ideas if i don't have ltrace or symbols for gdb? |
| 01:13.20 | fooz | toad, I have more than one drive. I put those in a RAID, I get one device from it. I then run LVM on that one device |
| 01:13.20 | toad | fooz: I don't understand what the benefit is of having a VG on each drive, that's all |
| 01:13.26 | toad | ah, yeah |
| 01:13.30 | toad | if they are all the same size |
| 01:13.32 | jair_11 | xam, ok |
| 01:13.33 | fooz | toad, that way, LVM works as long as the RAID does |
| 01:13.46 | fooz | popmonkey, other than you have a hardware problem? no |
| 01:13.46 | xam | jair_11: so you've said yes? is it working now? |
| 01:13.47 | jair_11 | xam, I will try to print like that and then see what happend ok |
| 01:13.52 | toad | whereas us mere mortals have several different drives acquired over many years |
| 01:13.54 | fooz | popmonkey, or corrupt libraries |
| 01:13.57 | akhayyat | pipeline: and why do you thind he is so?? |
| 01:14.02 | akhayyat | pipeline: and why do you think he is so?? |
| 01:14.08 | jair_11 | I will go check the printer with my prays to the lord |
| 01:14.11 | popmonkey | fooz: if i have corrupt libs, what would be the smartest way to proceed? |
| 01:14.18 | popmonkey | use a current update CD? |
| 01:14.19 | fooz | popmonkey, restore from your backup |
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| 01:14.32 | popmonkey | no backup of libs :( |
| 01:14.36 | fooz | popmonkey, reinstall |
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| 01:15.04 | popmonkey | fooz: sigh, that's what i was afraid you'd say |
| 01:15.17 | popmonkey | and i thought format c:/ was only a windows solution |
| 01:15.18 | fooz | heh. well, what did you expect? backups are for a reason |
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| 01:15.55 | humbolt | Xenguy: I want g=rwx from the parent on the child |
| 01:15.59 | Xirzon | does apt-get keep logs somewhere? |
| 01:16.00 | fooz | people who can only recover windows by reformatting are, just like you, people who didn't do their backups. |
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| 01:16.15 | popmonkey | alright, nm then |
| 01:16.18 | popmonkey | thanks anyway |
| 01:16.19 | popmonkey | ciao |
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| 01:16.35 | FieldySnuts | @troll fooz |
| 01:16.36 | akhayyat | pipeline: and why do you think he is so?? |
| 01:16.36 | kang1 | a file marked 'executable by others" cannot be executed by non-root, why? |
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| 01:16.54 | FieldySnuts | kang1: sitting on a partition mounted with the noexec option? |
| 01:17.01 | Xenguy | humbolt: try something like chmod g+s <parent> and see if that helps |
| 01:17.04 | FieldySnuts | the directory it's in isn't executable by them? |
| 01:17.07 | humbolt | cafuego: what's you umask then? so every file created by www-data can be deleted by userxy? 002? |
| 01:17.13 | fooz | FieldySnuts, i didn't see you jump forward to help him |
| 01:17.22 | FieldySnuts | fooz: stuff it. |
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| 01:17.36 | fooz | FieldySnuts, sure. bend over :) |
| 01:17.39 | FieldySnuts | er |
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| 01:17.56 | akem | hello |
| 01:18.00 | humbolt | Xenguy: tried, does not. perms are set by umask and s is not inherited from the parent dir, if I use php |
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| 01:18.06 | jair_11 | xam, and pipeline the printing "WORKS" ;) :) ;) |
| 01:18.13 | jair_11 | wooohoooo |
| 01:18.23 | jair_11 | xam, very interesting man |
| 01:18.26 | xam | jair_11 ;) |
| 01:18.54 | jair_11 | I am sure that people that try to install debian from scratch like I did will have to deal with the same situation |
| 01:18.56 | simonrvn | foobared: dude.... not cool |
| 01:19.15 | jair_11 | xam, that is why is good to have people like you guys on the IRC |
| 01:19.15 | simonrvn | foobared: misfire |
| 01:19.17 | kang1 | FieldSnuts: If that's the case, how to correct it? |
| 01:19.21 | simonrvn | fooz: dude.... not cool |
| 01:19.24 | jair_11 | or like me know that I can help other too. |
| 01:19.31 | xam | jair_11: maybe. I wouldn't know, I haven't installed debian for quite some time. Last time was potato IIRC |
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| 01:19.35 | jair_11 | let me write down this event |
| 01:19.38 | FieldySnuts | eh |
| 01:19.46 | jair_11 | ohh |
| 01:19.47 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:20.04 | akem | hm, anyone ever succed configuring ethernet(phy chip) on k8n(base version not -e) motherboard? |
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| 01:20.12 | fooz | simonrvn, brought it on himself |
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| 01:20.20 | xam | jair_11: I've upgraded to woody and now I'm running sarge/testing ... |
| 01:20.30 | FieldySnuts | @hump fooz |
| 01:20.58 | xam | !comfort simonrvn |
| 01:20.59 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:21.07 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 01:21.24 | pipeline | akhayyat: Have you READ namesys.com? |
| 01:21.26 | pipeline | akhayyat: The man makes blatantly stupid claims. He seems to honestly think he invented B+ trees, a data structure that every freshman in a university CS program should know. |
| 01:21.27 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: moron %s%s%s |
| 01:21.28 | ravenbird | %s%s%s: You are moron #10 |
| 01:21.29 | helix | FieldySnuts: jeez dude, leave the bots alone already |
| 01:21.34 | FieldySnuts | ok :) |
| 01:21.41 | pipeline | I thought ravenbird was his bot |
| 01:21.48 | FieldySnuts | i was headin off anyway, so that'll solve that |
| 01:21.51 | rue_mohr | who can name me a dns server package, I thought it was named, bind??? |
| 01:21.52 | FieldySnuts | cheerio! |
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| 01:22.01 | rue_mohr | its been 5 years since I set one up |
| 01:22.06 | jair_11 | xam, cool |
| 01:22.07 | jair_11 | man |
| 01:22.11 | simonrvn | bind9 |
| 01:22.12 | xam | rue_mohr: binf9 |
| 01:22.16 | xam | bind9 even |
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| 01:22.29 | jair_11 | xam, it is amaizing how everything on the Linux world have a solution |
| 01:22.37 | rue_mohr | :) thankyou |
| 01:22.45 | rue_mohr | its going to be a long night... |
| 01:22.46 | simonrvn | if only. getting there though ;) |
| 01:23.04 | jair_11 | xam, I am using the command "shutdown -h now" to turn off my lap top and with other machines it turn off complete the system |
| 01:23.19 | simonrvn | afk |
| 01:23.21 | xam | jair_11: hehe, no problem ;) well, there are lots of solutions, you just have to find them. On windows it is more difficult, since you don't know what's going on internally and you can't tweak as much |
| 01:23.22 | jair_11 | xam, but in my laptop it turn off but not complete |
| 01:23.40 | jair_11 | xam, the battery and the fan still running after the screen goes off |
| 01:23.57 | jair_11 | right |
| 01:24.15 | xam | jair_11: maybe APM or ACPI is not enabled? have you tried 'poweroff' instead of shutdown -h now? |
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| 01:24.52 | jair_11 | xam, so will be: poweroff by itself? |
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| 01:25.21 | xam | jair_11: man poweroff ;) |
| 01:25.26 | jair_11 | caracas:~# poweroff |
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| 01:25.34 | jair_11 | xam, ok |
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| 01:26.34 | xam | jair_11: yes, 'poweroff' by itself is sufficient |
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| 01:27.31 | xam | jair_11: anyway, have to go and hack on some network card driver ... |
| 01:28.21 | ecfx | What are the package names for apt-get for the latest kernel and kernel-source for 2.4? |
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| 01:28.28 | jair_11 | xam, thank you very much |
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| 01:28.38 | jair_11 | xam, I hope to see you other day |
| 01:28.39 | xam | jair_11 no problem |
| 01:28.42 | Jelkimantis | howdy... |
| 01:28.44 | jair_11 | xam, take care |
| 01:28.47 | dieguito | where can i get the debian banner font? |
| 01:28.51 | xam | jair_11: I'm here from time to time |
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| 01:29.15 | cat | does anyone here have a webcam called Concord Eye |
| 01:29.20 | jair_11 | xam, ok |
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| 01:30.04 | bykte | damn why cant my ip resolve even after running dns svr |
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| 01:30.28 | ecfx | bykte, Try typing dhclient device |
| 01:30.30 | ecfx | dhclient eth0 |
| 01:30.33 | ecfx | maybe |
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| 01:30.45 | bykte | wt |
| 01:31.01 | bykte | ecfx, i was refering to PTR records |
| 01:31.09 | humbolt | cafuego: I set SQLUserInfo ftp_users username password uid 33 homedir shell in proftpd.conf and I am group www-data on ftp access but when I create files they are group 65533. |
| 01:31.43 | akhayyat | pipeline: so you think ext3 is superior to reiserfs? |
| 01:32.33 | pipeline | akhayyat: ReiserFS has no recovery tools, so I don't really care whether it's better or not. |
| 01:32.46 | MobyTurbo | !ricerfs |
| 01:32.46 | dpkg | [ricerfs] the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 01:32.55 | pipeline | That's not very accurate |
| 01:33.05 | pipeline | In that it doesn't even go "very fast" |
| 01:33.08 | fooz | hehe |
| 01:33.11 | Xenguy | humbolt: heh, minor details ("I use php") |
| 01:33.13 | pipeline | ReiserFS only performs well in corner cases |
| 01:33.18 | fooz | yeh. |
| 01:33.31 | irkdub | I have debian running on a spacstation 10. when i run dhclient I get the error telling me to make sure CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are in the kernel config even though DHCP was working before. Is there an easy way to do this without recompiling? |
| 01:33.53 | travisat | funny I have never had any problem with reiser |
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| 01:34.28 | yxa | what's linux equivalent of bsd's tip/cu command ? |
| 01:34.35 | Jelkimantis | # Appears as ANNA |
| 01:34.50 | caphuso | Jelkimantis: don't use that comic chat crap in here |
| 01:35.02 | akhayyat | pipeline: what about reiserfsck?? |
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| 01:35.19 | Jelkimantis | sorry didn't realize it would be seen out there. |
| 01:35.22 | MobyTurbo | yxa: I think you can apt-get cu |
| 01:35.24 | pipeline | akhayyat: Don't make me laugh. |
| 01:35.35 | fooz | # Appears as LANCE |
| 01:35.41 | fooz | rofl |
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| 01:35.52 | akhayyat | pipeine: what's so funny?? would you elaborate? |
| 01:36.21 | akhayyat | pipeline: i just had an awful experience with ext3 |
| 01:36.35 | yxa | MobyTurbo if i had no internet access and wants to access a cisco router? |
| 01:36.42 | pipeline | akhayyat: ReiserFS's main recovery tool is basically "grep" -- it looks for things that look like they could have been files and dredges them up. "reiserfsck" is useless. |
| 01:37.05 | Jelkimantis | wow... my daddy can beat up your daddy... |
| 01:37.05 | pipeline | akhayyat: At any rate, it's not a "fsck" tool in the traditional sense of the word. It's more closely akin to "tunefs" or DOS "undelete" |
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| 01:37.15 | MobyTurbo | yxa: a Debian machine without internet access is sort of like running a Lamborghini with a one-gallon gas tank. |
| 01:37.19 | pipeline | akhayyat: JFS, XFS, ext3 all have much better tools. |
| 01:37.34 | blackout | are there any tools that let you automatically hop from network profile to profile in some list that you create? netapplet looked promising, but looks like it can't actually do that across reboots... |
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| 01:38.45 | irkdub | ifup eth0 justbrings up socket: protocol mismatch and what not. |
| 01:38.55 | MobyTurbo | yxa: that having been said I guess you could apt-get it from a CD |
| 01:39.24 | yxa | MobyTurbo heh ok. that means its not in base |
| 01:39.52 | akhayyat | pipeline: do you still think this is the case for the latest reiserfsck?? it's been reported it's much better now |
| 01:40.01 | MobyTurbo | yxa: not much is in base - Debian is pretty minimalistic, allowing you to build it to your exact specifications. |
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| 01:41.45 | humbolt | if I change the umask in login.defs how can I make apache to work with that new value? |
| 01:41.55 | BadMan | cafuego: after running fakeroot make-jpkg /home/FileServ/Files/linux/jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin is there anything I need to do avterwards? |
| 01:41.55 | abrocadabro | I haven't had a swap partition for a year and the system seems to run fine, except for my Radeon7500, accleration seems to be a bit slow with composite extension in xorg, would create a swap partition increase my 3D acceleration somehow? |
| 01:42.09 | vladster | Question for general info, what is the laptop that is most compatible with debian |
| 01:42.09 | BadMan | sorry had to go get my truck and test it out... |
| 01:42.14 | MobyTurbo | BadMan: dpkg -i the resulting deb |
| 01:42.28 | BadMan | ok, thats what i was planning on.. |
| 01:42.31 | BadMan | thanks MobyTurbo |
| 01:42.34 | MobyTurbo | np |
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| 01:42.41 | pipeline | akhayyat: Yes. I'm sure of it. I wouldn't use ReiserFS for anything I wanted to keep uncorrupted. |
| 01:42.51 | yxa | MobyTurbo dude, is minicom in base? |
| 01:43.00 | MobyTurbo | yxa: no, but it's also apt-getable. |
| 01:43.13 | abrocadabro | vladster: IBM thinkpad is pretty good, I had everything work even the key combination for suspend and hibernation |
| 01:43.19 | Overand | are there any decent RaQ-centric channels on freenode? I'm not talking redhat specifically, more like hardware. |
| 01:43.31 | Overand | (this thing's getting debian on it anyway) |
| 01:43.41 | vladster | Even with the ati video chipset? |
| 01:43.43 | abrotman | Overand: like MIPS ? |
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| 01:44.17 | Overand | no, its a raq 4 actually |
| 01:44.17 | Overand | AMD |
| 01:44.25 | abrotman | so what's so hard about it ? |
| 01:44.28 | Overand | heh |
| 01:44.33 | Overand | no keyboard, no mouse, no monitor |
| 01:44.44 | abrocadabro | vladster: ati has issues with the drivers, but my radeon 7500 is able to suspend and hibernate and wake up fine |
| 01:44.47 | Overand | to install debian, ive gotta use a null modem cable for serial console, and use debootstrap |
| 01:44.51 | abrotman | you need at least a kb/monitor to start an install afaik |
| 01:44.59 | Overand | abrotman: there are guides out there |
| 01:45.00 | abrotman | Overand: oh .. a null modem might work |
| 01:45.04 | Overand | that's not the proble |
| 01:45.08 | abrotman | so what is? |
| 01:45.12 | dan2 | abrotman: whats a null modem? |
| 01:45.13 | Overand | i know i can get debian on it, the problem is that the cpu says its a 300 |
| 01:45.18 | abrotman | dan2: null modem cable |
| 01:45.19 | humbolt | If I change the UMASK value how do I get apache to use it? |
| 01:45.19 | abrocadabro | vladster: suspend power-drain has been fixed by patches which you can get from thinkwiki |
| 01:45.22 | MobyTurbo | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:45.23 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 01:45.28 | Overand | ill crack the case and see what it says, but im pretty sure its supposed to be a 450 |
| 01:45.33 | humbolt | To use the changed UMASK |
| 01:45.35 | dan2 | abrotman: whats a null modem cable? |
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| 01:45.43 | abrotman | dan2: are you serious? |
| 01:45.45 | Overand | man, this lack-of-apostraphe is killing me |
| 01:45.48 | dan2 | abrotman: yes? |
| 01:46.05 | Overand | its a serial cable with send/recieve switched |
| 01:46.08 | Overand | so you can connect two PCs |
| 01:46.10 | Overand | (more or less) |
| 01:46.12 | akhayyat | pipeline: thanks for the discussion |
| 01:46.30 | Overand | if you connect two PCs directly, you'll end up sending to send, and recieving from recieve, so it doesnt work |
| 01:46.36 | vladster | Instal with punch cards, it will be an experience |
| 01:46.40 | vladster | ;) |
| 01:46.44 | Overand | heh |
| 01:46.50 | Overand | the thing is it's got a non=standard bios |
| 01:46.51 | akhayyat | pipeline: in fact i just lost lots of data in a power failure incident on an ext3 fs |
| 01:46.54 | toresbe | hey, punch cards rock |
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| 01:46.58 | Overand | the bios actually has a 2.2 kernel in it |
| 01:47.03 | Overand | very cool machine for its day |
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| 01:47.11 | Overand | turnkey webserver based on some ancient version of redhat |
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| 01:47.15 | akhayyat | pipeline: so i thought there might be a better alternative.. looks like there isn't!! |
| 01:47.18 | vladster | I install the os on a mainframe for school when the core corrupted |
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| 01:47.27 | vladster | that was thirty years ago |
| 01:47.34 | Overand | heh, how'd it get corrupted |
| 01:47.39 | Overand | someone walk by with a big magnet? =] |
| 01:47.48 | Overand | someone BREATHE too heavily? |
| 01:47.51 | vladster | And yes that is where the term core dump came frome |
| 01:47.51 | pipeline | akhayyat: You can certainly lose data on ext3. That's just the way it works. But at least you have a working fsck. |
| 01:48.01 | Overand | or are you using 'core' not as in *literally* core memory |
| 01:48.14 | pipeline | akhayyat: ReiserFS is *fundamentally* flawed at the moment. I wouldn't use it when there are three perfectly good alternatives. |
| 01:48.20 | zignig | Overand: core memory is cool. |
| 01:48.25 | Overand | yeah it is |
| 01:48.29 | toad | i'm sure it's an xfree86 problem... it could have something to do with the nvidia proprietary drivers :(. every time I go into X, within a matter of seconds it locks the whole machine solid (no ping - kernel gone) |
| 01:48.37 | vladster | core come fronm the magnetic cores that made up the memory |
| 01:48.40 | MobyTurbo | you actually are less likely to loose data on ext3 than XFS, Reiser, or even ext2, because it uses ordered writes. |
| 01:48.45 | toad | ugh, the flamewar is STILL going?! |
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| 01:48.50 | Overand | i like how there have to be algorythms to compensate for the problems that can happen if the memory gets certain patterns written to it that would cause interference in neighboring memory cores |
| 01:48.59 | BadMan | MobyTurbo: another question would the "javahome" refer to /usr/share/java-package/? |
| 01:49.01 | MobyTurbo | toad: I didn't flame |
| 01:49.01 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: you'd be surprised who doesn't care :) |
| 01:49.19 | toad | anyway |
| 01:49.23 | abrocadabro | is having a swap partition helping increase 3D acceleration? |
| 01:49.29 | toad | it doesn't look like a known bug from the bugs.debian.org page |
| 01:49.38 | Overand | abrotman: not really, but it's a good idea anyway |
| 01:49.40 | Overand | er |
| 01:49.47 | MobyTurbo | BadMan: if you are installing the deb it takes care of all of that. |
| 01:49.48 | Overand | abrocadabro: not really, but it's a good idea anwyay |
| 01:49.49 | abrotman | Overand: er? |
| 01:49.53 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:50.00 | toad | i don't know if it's a problem with the kernel; logically x ought not to be able to kill the kernel unless the kernel is buggy |
| 01:50.01 | Overand | abrotman: another user with 'abro' |
| 01:50.02 | Overand | heh |
| 01:50.09 | toad | the 2.6.11.7 fixes do NOT fix it |
| 01:50.10 | MobyTurbo | BadMan: and no, it's not /usr/share/java-package |
| 01:50.13 | abrotman | Overand: i got it |
| 01:50.14 | Overand | can't really blame me for a 4-char same-nickage tab issue |
| 01:50.15 | Overand | yeah |
| 01:50.15 | Overand | heh |
| 01:50.26 | abrotman | Overand: it's better than abauer getting it |
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| 01:50.33 | abrotman | he's not here right now |
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| 01:50.38 | Overand | anyway i'm gonna pop the cover and see what the cpu REALLY is, because it's "supposed to be a 450 |
| 01:50.38 | toad | any ideas? |
| 01:50.41 | Overand | afk |
| 01:51.06 | toad | I can hardly ask on #xfree86, since it's a fork |
| 01:51.06 | BadMan | MobyTurbo: I ask casue the program (fuhquake) is asking for it... |
| 01:51.11 | abrocadabro | Overand: I have heard the opposite in regards to swap, since I have 512 ram and some people reckon it is enough for I don;t have a swap partition, and the system runs fine, |
| 01:51.28 | vortek | Is there a way to tell xdm what wm to use ? |
| 01:51.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:51.41 | vortek | I can't find any thing in the conf files for it |
| 01:51.49 | vladster | I have a question, when I run tracecert, all I get is three asterisks at each entry |
| 01:51.52 | vortek | abrotman : how would one do this |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | abrocadabro: you should always have one .. at least a small one |
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| 01:51.58 | vladster | no info |
| 01:51.59 | abrotman | vortek: .xinitrc i think |
| 01:52.08 | abrotman | ~/.xinitrc |
| 01:52.09 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
| 01:52.13 | abrotman | !xinitrc |
| 01:52.13 | dpkg | hmm... xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
| 01:52.15 | vortek | hrm |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | apt: thanks |
| 01:52.25 | apt | gern geschehen, abrotman |
| 01:52.40 | vortek | Ok Im doing it right.. but I enlightenment keeps crashing saying its using mem its not susposed to |
| 01:52.42 | vortek | k thanxs |
| 01:52.45 | vladster | Do i have to sudo tracroute in order to get the information?> |
| 01:52.46 | vortek | I'll read some more then |
| 01:52.49 | abrocadabro | abrotman: right now I have now and I intend to get one out of my home partition, I am using reiserfs, how would I accomplish that? |
| 01:53.00 | abrotman | abrocadabro: huh? |
| 01:53.11 | toad | abrocadabro get one what? |
| 01:53.29 | abrotman | vladster: no |
| 01:53.40 | BadMan | MobyTurbo: thisi s why i ask A suitable JVM could not be found. Please run the program again using the option -is:javahome <JAVA HOME DIR> |
| 01:53.42 | abrocadabro | abrotman: typo, right now I have no swap, I need to resize my /home partition to spare some space, how would I do that? |
| 01:54.00 | humbolt | I am using SQLUserInfo. My users belong to group www-data and this group is existant in the system files and the DB. when I create a dir/file it is group 65533 not www-data however?! |
| 01:54.01 | vortek | ok .xinitrc in ~/ and my local user both say exec enlightenment but kde still loads |
| 01:54.02 | vladster | are they blocking that info at my isp? |
| 01:54.04 | abrotman | abrocadabro: i would never use reiser |
| 01:54.14 | abrotman | vortek: xdm ? |
| 01:54.16 | abrocadabro | abrotman: why not? |
| 01:54.25 | abrotman | abrocadabro: i like my data in one piece |
| 01:54.35 | abrotman | and hans is an arrogant bastard :) |
| 01:54.57 | toad | hans is a visionary. the problem is that visionaries can get carried away. |
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| 01:55.01 | abrocadabro | abrotman: I heard that reiserfs is good for small files and that's why I chose it |
| 01:55.03 | badblody | how can i remount on the fly a partition with other options? |
| 01:55.03 | vortek | abrotman : yeah xdm |
| 01:55.04 | cbc | hey, is there a way to load an alternative configuration file from squid.conf? something like "include /path/to/another/conf" ? |
| 01:55.13 | abrotman | toad: no . he's really arrogant |
| 01:55.18 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 01:55.18 | dpkg | somebody said filesystem comparison was http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 01:55.20 | vortek | abrotman : id rather just not use xdm :P |
| 01:55.30 | abrotman | vortek: then that file should work |
| 01:55.51 | abrotman | abrocadabro: just using it because it's fast is the totally wrong reason .. at least IMO |
| 01:56.01 | abrotman | if your data isn't there .. who cares how fast it is |
| 01:56.11 | abrocadabro | abrotman: do you know how to resize a reiserfs |
| 01:56.19 | abrotman | abrocadabro: no . i don't use reiser |
| 01:56.30 | toad | abrotman: he thinks he's right and everyone else is wrong about a whole bunch of things (like "trees are slow", for example, or "you shouldn't worry about small files") |
| 01:56.33 | vortek | abrotman: it doesn't work thats the problem :( hehe |
| 01:56.49 | toad | abrocadabro: resize_reiserfs has always worked well for me on filesystems that are intact to begin with |
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| 01:57.12 | abrotman | toad: i know what he thinks .. he's still doing wacky crap . he may be a visionary .. but his methods are flawed in getting to that vision |
| 01:57.13 | toad | probably a bad idea to lose power while resizing |
| 01:57.30 | toad | abrotman: everyone's methods are flawed |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | toad: not really |
| 01:57.43 | toad | i'd like to see some empirical comparisons of fsck utilities |
| 01:57.43 | abrocadabro | toad: thanks, I'll give that a go |
| 01:57.53 | abrotman | toad: how about no fsck? |
| 01:58.00 | toad | ummm |
| 01:58.04 | toad | there IS a fsck |
| 01:58.15 | abrotman | he used to claim reiserfs didn't need one |
| 01:58.17 | toad | there has been a fsck for like 5 years |
| 01:58.20 | abrotman | i know |
| 01:58.22 | abrotman | he used to claim reiserfs didn't need one |
| 01:58.29 | abrotman | and he was adamant about it |
| 01:58.39 | toad | well, he was wrong. and they have a good-ish fsck now. so what's the big deal? |
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| 01:59.02 | vortek | ok can any one tell me Why when .xsession or .xinitrc in root and local user all say exec enlightenment... But xdm loads kde ? |
| 01:59.15 | toad | the most serious problems i've had were with LVM, not reiser |
| 01:59.22 | abrotman | toad: so .. he was wrong .. now what? .. i still won't use it .. xfs/ext3 . hell i'd use jfs first :) |
| 01:59.39 | abrotman | vortek: man update-alternatives |
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| 02:00.20 | toad | i don't remember when he said that reiserfs doesn't need a fsck. but like i said people make mistakes. |
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| 02:00.30 | toad | and that must have been a very long time ago |
| 02:00.43 | toad | anyway, nobody has any idea why my X is crashing? |
| 02:00.49 | toad | X doesn't crash on startup for anyone else? |
| 02:00.55 | jethro | toad: because X is for weenies |
| 02:00.55 | zignig | jethro: huzzah ! for you. |
| 02:00.59 | jethro | zignig: thanks :) |
| 02:01.02 | toad | jethro: eclipse needs X |
| 02:01.10 | toad | i like eclipse |
| 02:01.14 | jethro | toad: that must mean eclipse is for weenies too |
| 02:01.32 | toad | it has some really really nice stuff |
| 02:01.37 | toad | e.g. automatic recompile on save |
| 02:01.44 | doug | when iptables with a bunch of parameters is executed, do those changes remain intact after a reboot or does it revert to the original settings? |
| 02:01.50 | toad | (which is fast enough to be usable) |
| 02:01.59 | toad | but yes, java is for weenies |
| 02:02.06 | toad | that makes me a weenie |
| 02:02.11 | toad | that does not solve my problem! |
| 02:02.15 | jethro | java is like write once, and run away |
| 02:02.19 | toad | :) |
| 02:02.33 | toad | java would be okay if it wasn't for the proprietary jvm |
| 02:02.37 | jethro | heh |
| 02:02.40 | toad | not necessarily great but okay |
| 02:02.55 | jethro | java is like a pain in the ass |
| 02:03.00 | toad | that is true |
| 02:03.03 | toad | especially NIO |
| 02:03.11 | silverton | java, pain in the ass to install? |
| 02:03.27 | toad | having to have a windows dev is also a pain in the ass |
| 02:03.37 | jethro | silverton: pain in the ass. dot |
| 02:03.43 | silverton | ah...okay |
| 02:03.49 | silverton | cause I was about to say, I have a .deb |
| 02:03.56 | akhayyat | who is unhappy with java?? java is great |
| 02:04.00 | toad | flamewars over why you shouldn't have a garbage collector in C/C++ are probably a PITA too |
| 02:04.06 | silverton | it's easy enough to type "dpkg -i java[tab]" |
| 02:04.12 | toad | akhayyat: I wouldn't go that far! |
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| 02:04.19 | jethro | hence why the trolls |
| 02:04.22 | akhayyat | toad: what for?? |
| 02:04.32 | toad | silverton: sun doesn't let us ship the sun jvm |
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| 02:04.40 | toad | silverton: you get the free ones if you do that |
| 02:04.40 | travisat | java is sucks |
| 02:04.44 | silverton | Yeah, that much I know, but I built my own |
| 02:04.53 | silverton | forgot how I did it though, some website told me how ;) |
| 02:04.57 | toad | silverton: which you can't distribute :< |
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| 02:05.07 | silverton | can I distribute it to my friends? :D |
| 02:05.11 | toad | not legally |
| 02:05.14 | silverton | good |
| 02:05.17 | MobyTurbo | toad: "java-package" in contrib can generate a deb for all the popular Javas |
| 02:05.19 | silverton | I didn't want to share anyways |
| 02:05.19 | akhayyat | travisat: what for?? |
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| 02:05.22 | jethro | where's my tabbuddy? |
| 02:05.26 | mlots | Why am I seeing a "cruft" mode message when mounting an dvd iso image in Woody? Wasn't the kernel patched for this lfn problem? |
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| 02:05.36 | mlots | 'r large file size |
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| 02:06.10 | BadMan | arg still..... |
| 02:06.15 | BadMan | A suitable JVM could not be found. Please run the program again using the option -is:javahome <JAVA HOME DIR> |
| 02:06.15 | akhayyat | toad: what's so bad about java?? |
| 02:06.30 | silverton | okay, anyone know, why, my friend down the street has comcast, but his hostmask includes "attbi" whereas mine, says "hsd1.wa.comcast" |
| 02:06.41 | akhayyat | toad: i find it very flexible and easy to achieve lots of things |
| 02:06.43 | silverton | and we are like, just a block or two away from each other |
| 02:06.47 | toad | akhayyat: i work with java; it's okay (and off topic). but it's being proprietary SUCKS for packaging as well as politics. |
| 02:06.53 | travisat | akhayyat: just don't like it. I prefer server side scripts or real programs for client side |
| 02:07.09 | toad | travisat: i wasn't talking applets |
| 02:07.15 | toad | there are java _apps_ |
| 02:07.15 | akhayyat | toad: i think sun is reconsidering java licensing now |
| 02:07.19 | poh | I have the following line line in apt.conf: APT::Default-Release "sarge"; But if I have any sid sources, sid becomes the default. Where should I look to fix this? |
| 02:07.25 | toad | akhayyat: i heard something about dead bodies |
| 02:07.40 | MobyTurbo | !tell poh -about pinning |
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| 02:07.56 | travisat | toad: I know, I think java apps are pointless, just write them in c++ or c and distribute the source or binaries |
| 02:07.56 | toad | as in "over my.." |
| 02:07.58 | akhayyat | travisat: this is a matter of personal preference then and does not have to do with java sucks |
| 02:08.11 | akhayyat | toad: dead bodies? |
| 02:08.22 | travisat | akhayyat: I also think it is rather ugly, perl is beautiful |
| 02:08.27 | toad | travisat: then you need a) a windows dev, b) a class library, c) to persuade everyone to accept that you're gonna have a garbage collector |
| 02:08.40 | a_monkey | so i execute dh_make, ./configure, make, then make install to install a debianized package from a source tarball? |
| 02:08.43 | BadMan | do I need to "start" the jvm somehow? |
| 02:08.55 | travisat | toad: if you write the program right you don't need a garbage collector |
| 02:09.04 | akhayyat | travisat: again: personal prefernce, but java is far more powerful than perl. it's a programming language and perl is just for scripting! |
| 02:09.13 | toad | travisat: i'm just going to ignore that remark |
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| 02:09.47 | toad | travisat: it is technically true however the effort involved is so immense... programmer hours cost a lot more than a GC does |
| 02:10.01 | poh | MobyTurbo: Thanks, that will do it. what does that line that I have do? |
| 02:10.08 | jethro | night everyone |
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| 02:10.14 | silverton | heeeyyyy...where do I go to change my default browser? |
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| 02:10.27 | akhayyat | sliverton: running gnome? |
| 02:10.31 | nevyn | silverton: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 02:10.35 | mlots | Is there a woody kernel that can deal with >2GB files on iso9660? |
| 02:10.35 | silverton | akhayyat, yes |
| 02:11.00 | MobyTurbo | poh: I don't know really, man apt.conf |
| 02:11.10 | jethro | silverton: nobody'd like to install some java deb unless they're complete morons |
| 02:11.20 | akhayyat | Applications -> Desktop Prefernces -> Advanced -> Preferred Applications |
| 02:11.22 | silverton | nevyn, didn't work :-/ |
| 02:11.27 | akhayyat | sliverton: Applications -> Desktop Prefernces -> Advanced -> Preferred Applications |
| 02:11.44 | silverton | ah, okay, thanky |
| 02:11.53 | travisat | I suppose java could have its uses, simple cross platform apps and the like, but for sophisticated apps getting a windows dev would be better |
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| 02:12.11 | toad | travisat: easier said than done |
| 02:12.14 | jika | how can i set gnome as my desktop manager? |
| 02:12.19 | silverton | akhayyat, worked, thank you |
| 02:12.30 | akhayyat | sliverton: you're welcome |
| 02:12.38 | silverton | nevyn, I'd feel sorry for you if you did |
| 02:12.54 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 02:12.54 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
| 02:13.10 | silverton | <3 !!! |
| 02:13.41 | vortek | Ok simple stupid question How do I make a command work from any where any dir in console.. Like If I type eterm How can I make it were it runs no matter what dir im in ? or what file do i edit |
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| 02:14.02 | travisat | vortek: your path |
| 02:14.05 | BadMan | hmmmm... |
| 02:14.15 | vortek | travisat : were do I fix that ? |
| 02:14.26 | travisat | !path |
| 02:14.26 | dpkg | it has been said that path is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. |
| 02:14.34 | mlots | Hmm, it seems that maybe the kernel can read it but mkisofs needs to use interchange level 3? |
| 02:15.25 | vortek | thanxw |
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| 02:16.01 | travisat | vortek: you might want to get a unix/linux manual |
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| 02:16.12 | Psychik | hi |
| 02:16.15 | vortek | yeah |
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| 02:16.22 | humbolt | PLEASE, when I change the UMASK in login.defs, when/how does that get active? |
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| 02:16.40 | Psychik | can somme one tell me apt-get doesn't find the package tcl8.4 ? |
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| 02:17.13 | MobyTurbo | Psychik: woody or sarge/sid? |
| 02:17.18 | Psychik | woody |
| 02:17.27 | MobyTurbo | Psychik: woody I don't know if it has 8.4 |
| 02:17.31 | Psychik | erf |
| 02:17.32 | Psychik | :/ |
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| 02:17.36 | mlots | humbolt: Maybe try looking for executables that are related to the packages related to the package that login.defs is part of. |
| 02:17.42 | markmrd | hi I am having problems with usb. When I plug in a usb memory stick I get the following in the dmesg output "unable to read config index 0 descriptor/start" |
| 02:17.44 | MobyTurbo | Psychik: apt-cache search '^tcl' to find out |
| 02:17.57 | caphuso | !info tcl8.4 woody |
| 02:18.00 | mlots | Psychik: search packages.debian.org |
| 02:18.06 | Psychik | done |
| 02:18.15 | Psychik | in stable the last one is 8.3 |
| 02:18.22 | Psychik | 8.4 is testing |
| 02:18.33 | Psychik | but doesn't specify if sarge needed |
| 02:18.43 | caphuso | uh |
| 02:18.46 | BadMan | MobyTurbo: I installed the resulting deb, but hwo the heck do I start a jvm to handle "instalelrs"? |
| 02:18.48 | MobyTurbo | Psychik: sarge at the moment is testing |
| 02:18.55 | Psychik | yes |
| 02:18.59 | Psychik | hmm |
| 02:19.00 | mlots | Psychik: You could try to backport it. |
| 02:19.07 | caphuso | Psychik: if it's a package from sarge, then it sure does require sarge |
| 02:19.13 | Psychik | okay |
| 02:19.18 | Psychik | i'll pass in sarge |
| 02:19.22 | travisat | or check for a backport already made |
| 02:19.37 | caphuso | you can't just install a package from a newer version of debian unto an older one, except by backporting it, where it's feasible |
| 02:19.56 | irkdub | how do i change the current kernel configuration? |
| 02:19.57 | mlots | Maybe apt-get.org or backports.org? |
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| 02:20.10 | mlots | irkdub: besides recompiling? |
| 02:20.18 | irkdub | yes |
| 02:20.26 | Psychik | for the moment i'll install 8.3 , then i'll pass in sarge |
| 02:20.30 | irkdub | I want an easierway |
| 02:20.34 | Psychik | then apt-get updgrade |
| 02:20.37 | caphuso | irkdub: you don't |
| 02:20.40 | Psychik | it'll should be fine |
| 02:20.49 | bolete_ | dd says: "dd: opening `/dev/fd0': Read-only file system" Any ideas why it would do that? |
| 02:20.50 | irkdub | alright |
| 02:20.51 | mlots | irkdub: It might be possible to muck with /proc |
| 02:20.58 | irkdub | I thought so, I just wasnt sure if it was possible |
| 02:21.11 | travisat | recompiling a kernel isn't that hard |
| 02:21.31 | Equinox | travisat- Except that lots of the auto stuff in distributions usually breaks when you do :) |
| 02:21.45 | irkdub | I dont understand how to recompile the current kernel then. |
| 02:22.10 | irkdub | I'll figure it out |
| 02:22.14 | humbolt | I cant believe that nobody knows that UMASK stuff! |
| 02:22.25 | travisat | Equinox: not really, if you include the correct stuff as modules it works just fine |
| 02:22.55 | Equinox | travisat- That is true.. Except most distrubtions don't give you a default config to work from, so you kinda have to guess. |
| 02:23.17 | travisat | Equinox: thats where knowing the hardware for your computer comes into play |
| 02:23.20 | MobyTurbo | Equinox: no, the config is usually available in /boot and /proc contains a copy of what's currently running. |
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| 02:23.36 | silverton | How much drive space would be needed to become a debian repository? |
| 02:23.40 | Equinox | Config file is usually in /boot ? |
| 02:23.52 | travisat | Equinox: for standard debian kernels |
| 02:23.58 | Equinox | Huh. |
| 02:24.02 | Equinox | Well isn't that helpful. |
| 02:24.08 | Equinox | Learn something new every day ;) |
| 02:24.13 | mlots | silverton: of what? |
| 02:24.13 | travisat | and if you used make-kpkg |
| 02:24.28 | mlots | I heard 10GB per arch, but I could be wrong. |
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| 02:24.32 | silverton | mlots, everything...all the packages |
| 02:24.35 | Equinox | Guess it's the config-x.x.x file eh? |
| 02:24.43 | travisat | yep |
| 02:24.50 | Equinox | Thanks.. That's neat. |
| 02:24.53 | mlots | silverton: ask #debian-devel perhaps. |
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| 02:25.52 | karl | eeep |
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| 02:26.13 | irkdub | the current kernel is stored in /boot , correct? |
| 02:26.47 | MobyTurbo | irkdub: if you need to ask you shouldn't be compiling your own kernel |
| 02:26.50 | irkdub | (this manual is confusing the hell out of me) |
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| 02:27.18 | poh | irkdub the current kernel is usually in /boot |
| 02:28.02 | mlots | irkdub: Perhaps ask your bootloader. e.g. /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 02:28.42 | travisat | you ought to learn to compile a kernel sometime |
| 02:29.41 | silverton | every time I've tried to compile a kernel in debian, it's failed |
| 02:29.44 | BadMan | crap |
| 02:29.52 | BadMan | I am getting nowhere |
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| 02:30.13 | anhi | silverton: are you compiling vanilla kernel sources? |
| 02:30.19 | silverton | no |
| 02:30.26 | BadMan | still the same thing no matter where I tell it to look: A suitable JVM could not be found. Please run the program again using the option -is:javahome <JAVAHOME DIR> |
| 02:30.27 | travisat | silverton: it isn't hard, make sure you compile in your ata and filesystem into them |
| 02:30.36 | silverton | I was trying to compile ntfs write support into my 2.6.8 kernel |
| 02:30.50 | Psychik | Installing library files to /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4 |
| 02:30.51 | Psychik | good |
| 02:30.56 | Psychik | without passing to sarge |
| 02:31.10 | anhi | silverton: kernel ntfs write support is dangerous |
| 02:31.22 | anhi | silverton: if you have to access ntfs then better use captive |
| 02:31.26 | silverton | anhi, yeah, I gave up, backed up my data, and formatted the drive to ext3 |
| 02:31.42 | anhi | silverton: thats the way to go |
| 02:31.50 | silverton | so, now if my buds want me to bring my hard drive over and give them music, they are sol :( |
| 02:32.17 | Equinox | silverton- Bring a linux disk with you. |
| 02:32.22 | silverton | knoppix++ |
| 02:32.26 | silverton | yeah |
| 02:32.26 | mlots | FAT32? ext2 filesysem filter for nt? |
| 02:32.27 | anhi | silverton: get an external HD and use that one, if you have to write on their NTFS disks use captive |
| 02:32.32 | zignig | if a netstat -pant (as root) does not show an id ( ie '-' ) what is making the traffic ? |
| 02:32.43 | zignig | id = process id |
| 02:32.45 | silverton | anhi, I'm saving up for an external drive case :) |
| 02:33.10 | mlots | zignig: tcpdump tell you anything? |
| 02:33.13 | silverton | mlots, FAT32 won't support file sizes of 4GB+ |
| 02:33.13 | astronut | how would you do $4 -> EOL in awk? |
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| 02:33.33 | mesiasss | fuck |
| 02:33.40 | anhi | silverton: 140 bucks for 250gb shouldn't be too much |
| 02:33.41 | mlots | silverton: You have music files of 4GB+? Must be either long or really high bitrate. |
| 02:33.50 | silverton | mlots, DVD images ;) |
| 02:33.51 | Equinox | Movies probably. |
| 02:34.02 | silverton | anhi, I have about 18 dollars right now.. |
| 02:34.08 | mlots | figured... You could compress them |
| 02:34.15 | silverton | and this weeks paycheck isn't going to be alot, and I don't work this next week |
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| 02:34.41 | silverton | :-/ |
| 02:34.46 | zignig | mlots: not much, its microsoft-ds traffic. |
| 02:34.52 | silverton | <someone enters> <someone says fuck> <someone leaves> |
| 02:34.55 | silverton | that's not good, lol |
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| 02:35.36 | Equinox | Anyone around Miami/Ft.Lauderdale or Texas? |
| 02:35.45 | mlots | silverton: I'm sure you can find disk space cheaper. I've been told before that I can. ;-) |
| 02:36.02 | silverton | I found a place, in Seattle, with an external hard drive case for about 50 bucks |
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| 02:36.30 | jvw | silverton: fwiw, it's 115G according to 'du -sh' |
| 02:36.32 | seba | it is posible to open a cab file in DEbian? |
| 02:36.39 | travisat | cabextract |
| 02:36.52 | silverton | jvw, for the debian mirror? |
| 02:36.54 | toukitsune | hello. is there a way to run jigdo to make a custom CD iso based on what you have installed already? |
| 02:36.55 | jvw | yeah |
| 02:37.10 | jvw | but, why do you want a full mirror? Hardly anyone really needs one |
| 02:37.11 | seba | thanks! |
| 02:37.23 | silverton | when I run du -sh it throws 136M |
| 02:37.26 | silverton | jvw, I was just curious |
| 02:38.24 | jvw | du -sh on the full mirror I have, I mean :) |
| 02:38.38 | silverton | oh, right :X lol |
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| 02:38.55 | travisat | considering the # of packages 115g sounds about right |
| 02:39.04 | silverton | 8000+ isn't it? |
| 02:39.21 | jvw | 8000+ source packages per suite, yeah |
| 02:39.24 | rrt | greetings, anyone know how to use aacPlus codec for streaming internet radio in linux? |
| 02:39.46 | jvw | much more binary packages, often times 11 for all architectures, and 3 suites |
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| 02:40.12 | silverton | hmm.... I wanna know how to stream .wma streams with rhythmbox... |
| 02:40.27 | BadMan | damn what a pain in the ass |
| 02:43.15 | mlots | rrt: I don't know, but take a look at the streaming output solutions. |
| 02:43.56 | mlots | rrt: icecast, videolan, gstreamer or something. |
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| 02:44.57 | rrt | will try those; aacPlus is excellent! stereo @ 40kbps stream. and quality is tops. |
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| 02:45.38 | popmonkey | back with more info on clock_gettime |
| 02:45.53 | popmonkey | i wrote a simple program: basically just calls clock_gettime |
| 02:46.00 | mlots | rrt: Check out hydrogin or hydrogionous or some audio compression forum for comparisons. I think aac faired pretty good. |
| 02:46.09 | popmonkey | compiled on two debian systems, identical kernels |
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| 02:46.28 | popmonkey | system 1: ok, system 2: a.out segfaults on clock_gettime |
| 02:46.47 | popmonkey | interesting bit of info from system 1: strace shows: clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, 0xbffffd60) = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented) |
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| 02:47.06 | popmonkey | on system 2: clock_gettime(0, <unfinished ...> |
| 02:47.17 | popmonkey | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
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| 02:47.23 | popmonkey | any ideas? |
| 02:47.44 | mlots | popmonkey: what library implements that function? |
| 02:47.51 | popmonkey | librt |
| 02:48.03 | toukitsune | anyone know where I can get documentation on makeing a custome jigdo CD ISO? |
| 02:48.24 | popmonkey | and yeah, i've copied that lib from system 1 to system 2 |
| 02:48.25 | mlots | popmonkey: might be a hardware thing... timeofday is a cpu thing and maybe this is related |
| 02:48.48 | mlots | cdrom.debian.org might have some good jigdo info or links. |
| 02:48.51 | popmonkey | mlot: right, i'm trying to figure out how to get to the bottom of what the hardware failure might be |
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| 02:49.14 | popmonkey | hwclock is fine, even with --directisa |
| 02:49.17 | mlots | popmonkey: look at the source maybe. |
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| 02:50.01 | mlots | toukitsune: I think searching might give you some more info about the cd image list's answers to questions not documented. |
| 02:50.25 | popmonkey | mlots: the problem is that date, tar, sleep, etc. all use clock_gettime. so system 2 is a mess |
| 02:50.41 | alan__ | ok, what does it mean when *every* memory stick i try, comes up as bad at every address in memtest (knoppix boot cd), error bit code 00000030 ? |
| 02:50.45 | mlots | read the code on system 1 maybe. |
| 02:50.56 | mlots | alan__: bad socket? |
| 02:50.57 | BadMan | what the heck, what is considered the "javahome"? A suitable JVM could not be found. Please run the program again using the option -is:javahome <JAVAHOME DIR> |
| 02:51.04 | popmonkey | mlots: i didn't compile the kernel from src, just the binary |
| 02:51.05 | alan__ | mlots: all three sockets |
| 02:51.25 | mlots | alan__: bad motherboard, unsupported chipset, wrong clock speed... |
| 02:51.45 | alan__ | they're PC133 RAM, the mobo's running at 133... |
| 02:51.48 | mlots | popmonkey: you can get the source code from the binary with apt-get source pkg |
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| 02:51.57 | alan__ | it's a VIA chipset |
| 02:52.04 | mlots | alan__: tried another computer? |
| 02:52.19 | mlots | There's many different VIA chipsets. |
| 02:52.24 | alan__ | the sticks worked fine when i pulled them |
| 02:52.27 | les | alan: it could be the memory controller that's faulty |
| 02:52.28 | mlots | Do a search for your chipset and see if it comes up with any known issues. |
| 02:52.29 | bykte | apt-get doesnt have an updated version of nmap?? |
| 02:52.37 | popmonkey | mlots: rgr that, was hoping someone would have heard of this problem before. there's a bunch of people complaining about the same exact problem on usenet, but no one seems to have a solution |
| 02:52.40 | mlots | 'r for your memory controler |
| 02:52.59 | les | could also be damaged north bridge |
| 02:53.00 | mlots | bykte: you mean sid/unstable? |
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| 02:53.22 | mlots | popmonkey: same hardware? |
| 02:53.28 | popmonkey | mlots: no |
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| 02:53.49 | mlots | popmonkey: similar system characteristics? |
| 02:53.51 | popmonkey | also, this problem only started recently |
| 02:53.58 | popmonkey | similar kernel versions |
| 02:53.58 | etzerd | Hello all |
| 02:54.13 | mlots | max_int somewhere? |
| 02:54.31 | mlots | afk |
| 02:54.38 | popmonkey | mlots: thanks |
| 02:54.40 | bykte | is AMD considered i386? |
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| 02:55.40 | bykte | which one shoudl i get i386? alpha? |
| 02:55.50 | alan__ | memtest says the chipset is a VIA kt133 or kt133a |
| 02:56.36 | BadMan | bykte: what cpu? |
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| 02:56.55 | toukitsune | actualy is there a way to make an ISO based off the packages already installed? |
| 02:56.57 | bykte | BadMan, how to check? |
| 02:57.03 | les | bykte: AMD fully supports the i386 instruction set so yeah it can be considered "i386 compatible" |
| 02:57.08 | bykte | oh ok |
| 02:57.09 | bykte | cool |
| 02:57.10 | BadMan | its your computer... |
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| 02:57.38 | hxizan | is there any one who used to get trouble with ssh-add ? |
| 02:57.50 | alan__ | could it be a CMOS setting that's throwing my memory controller off? |
| 02:58.08 | hxizan | it always said "could not open a connection to your authentication agent" |
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| 02:59.06 | jonz | er, my /etc/services file seems to have disappeared, is there a package that had it i may have deleted? |
| 02:59.15 | servus | How come the newest Debian 3.0 Woody netinst CD images are kernel 2.2, and don't support my common RAID controller, nor my even more common network card? |
| 02:59.30 | hxizan | event I do "$eval `ssh-agent`" and check for SSH_AGENT_PID,SSH_AUTH_SOCK |
| 02:59.43 | BadMan | servus: woody is old |
| 02:59.51 | BadMan | servus: try sarge |
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| 03:00.56 | Xenguy | jonz: very unlikely, if not impossible |
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| 03:01.31 | servus | All of the NetInst ISOs are Woody. |
| 03:01.54 | CompWizrd | netinst doesn't have the bf2.4 option? |
| 03:01.58 | BadMan | no... |
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| 03:02.11 | BadMan | !d-i |
| 03:02.11 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 03:02.22 | CompWizrd | ah.. i still do installs with a pair of floppies |
| 03:02.28 | CompWizrd | sometimes i use the same floppy for both disks |
| 03:02.30 | servus | I don't have a floppy drive. |
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| 03:03.09 | mlots | netinst d-i rc3? |
| 03:03.10 | hxizan | servus: try sarge netinstall cd |
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| 03:03.30 | rrt | VLC plays streaming aacPlus format |
| 03:03.40 | servus | Would it have support for my Adaptec 1200A RAID controller? How can I check before I waste time downloading? |
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| 03:03.56 | mlots | rrt: vls probably does too then. |
| 03:04.26 | mlots | servus: check the kernel? |
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| 03:05.00 | markybob | i've received about 3000 attempted ssh dictionary attacks over the last week. i'm going to move ssh to a different port, but i want leave something on port 22 that'll send the attack script a "connected" response so that it'll stop and still not let them do anything. i've googled and searched up and down for this, but havent found anything. anyone know of a program that does this? |
| 03:05.00 | rrt | cool 48K stereo streaming woxy [dot] com rulez |
| 03:05.02 | servus | "Before I waste time downloading"? |
| 03:05.12 | hxizan | servus: adaptec is well-known one so i think it's ok |
| 03:06.04 | hxizan | servus: or you can try google: "adaptec 1200A RAID debian" |
| 03:06.46 | servus | I already did. I'm sifting through useless data. |
| 03:07.50 | hxizan | servus: http://www.google.com.vn/search?hl=vi&q=debian+raid+adaptec+1200A&btnG=T%C3%ACm+ki%E1%BA%BFm+v%E1%BB%9Bi+Google&meta= |
| 03:08.00 | alan__ | ahhhhhhhh. turning off cache in memtest causes 0 errors |
| 03:08.06 | alan__ | which means my cache is toast :/ |
| 03:08.23 | Xenguy | markybob: I don't know if 'portsentry' can do anything in this regard or not -- just a notion FWIW |
| 03:08.33 | servus | I'm already there. Useless data. |
| 03:08.59 | markybob | Servus you need to search for chipsets. 1200a uses hpt370, which is supported in linux. |
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| 03:09.17 | markybob | Xenguy, i'll look into it, thanks |
| 03:09.44 | Xenguy | markybob: I'd be interested if you find a tool that does what you want :-) |
| 03:10.02 | markybob | Xenguy, i'll let you know if i find it. |
| 03:10.33 | Xenguy | markybob: scholar, gentleman ;-) |
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| 03:10.51 | les | alan: seen that before |
| 03:11.29 | walnuck | anyone have a suggestion what progie can do synchronization between a laptop and desktop for the same username? |
| 03:11.32 | les | had a machine - turn on level 2 cache - wouldn't boot(!) turn it off, boots fine |
| 03:11.45 | CompWizrd | les: had a laptop like that |
| 03:11.53 | CompWizrd | turned it off in the cmos |
| 03:11.56 | les | bit different to your issue but the same principle |
| 03:12.08 | CompWizrd | laptop cmos battery died, default is to have the cache on |
| 03:12.12 | CompWizrd | laptop is now useless |
| 03:12.13 | CompWizrd | :) |
| 03:12.16 | Xenguy | walnuck: rsync? unison? |
| 03:12.21 | les | comp: oops |
| 03:12.39 | CompWizrd | the manufacturer insisted having to turn the l2 off was normal. |
| 03:12.40 | servus | Does the Debian Sarge installation CD contain the 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:12.48 | Psychik | can some one can paste me an example on config for an admin axx in wu-ftpd in ftpusers? |
| 03:12.59 | Psychik | i cant found some on the net |
| 03:13.01 | walnuck | Xenguy, ok |
| 03:13.04 | servus | At least that has a chance of having the modules I need to complete the installation... |
| 03:13.06 | les | comp: thankfully my machine just wouldn't go past the POST but I could get into the cmos |
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| 03:13.23 | markybob | servus yes. just boot with "linux26" option |
| 03:13.38 | servus | Alright. |
| 03:13.51 | silverton | I have to type linux26 for my wireless NIC to work |
| 03:13.53 | alan__ | strangely, memtest appears to ignore my cmos setting to turn off the cache |
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| 03:14.20 | markybob | Xenguy, portsentry will only detect a portscan and block the offending ip. in my case, they use a different IP around the world every time, so it doesnt help much. :/ |
| 03:14.21 | CompWizrd | les: i did salvage the keyboard out of it when i threw it out |
| 03:14.26 | silverton | is there a website that I could go to that lists the hardware that's supported by a kernel? |
| 03:14.35 | Xenguy | markybob: ahh |
| 03:14.37 | CompWizrd | pentium 120 laptops are only so useful nowadays |
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| 03:15.04 | Xenguy | markybob: why not just firewall off port 22? |
| 03:15.21 | markybob | silverton, if you dont feel like using google and searching for specific chipsets, you might wanna look on mandrake's site. they have a rather full list of supported harder. if it works for them, it'll work for us. |
| 03:15.48 | Xenguy | markybob: you mean Mandriva don't you ? :p |
| 03:15.54 | silverton | markybob, thanks, I've used their site before(I was a mdk user once) |
| 03:16.12 | markybob | Xenguy because i want to get as much information from them as possible and stop their script in its tracks. also, it'd be nice to see where they try to go and what they try to do. a fake, safe shell that records what they do, if you would. |
| 03:16.20 | Xenguy | . o O (guess that makes it MDV, not MDK, too) |
| 03:16.27 | silverton | wtf?! |
| 03:16.31 | markybob | Xenguy, i have no idea what mandriva is |
| 03:16.36 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 03:16.40 | silverton | Mandriva Linux (formerly known as MandrakeLinux |
| 03:16.48 | Xenguy | they changed their name - how retarded is that? |
| 03:16.49 | markybob | oh. i dont keep up with them. ;) |
| 03:16.52 | les | mandrake and connectiva just merged |
| 03:16.58 | les | hence mandriva |
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| 03:17.07 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:17.44 | Xenguy | markybob: sounds like a honeypot idea -- well good luck, I'm still interested if you go further down that path |
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| 03:18.07 | markybob | xenguy my company does a *lot* of contracting work with the government. DOD, GSA, etc. knowing what it is they want would be very helpful. i'll keep you updated. |
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| 03:18.14 | silverton | ouch, I get a "no answers" for my search :( |
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| 03:18.34 | vortek | Are there any true benifits to installing enlightenment by source right now ? |
| 03:18.36 | Xenguy | markybob: thanks, it would be interesting to know |
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| 03:20.29 | Xenguy | markybob: I always assumed it was some exploit of dated versions of SSH, but maybe there's more to it |
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| 03:20.55 | markybob | Xenguy, what i'm receiving is a dictionary attack. only thing that protects against that is very good usernames/passwords :) |
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| 03:21.21 | maher | markybob: yeah - i get those too - you can probably ignore it |
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| 03:22.05 | maher | markybob: normally it tries a couple of hundred times and gives up |
| 03:22.08 | Xenguy | markybob: I see, well it's risky IMHO to run SSH service without a few basic controls in /etc/ssh/sshd_config at least |
| 03:22.18 | markybob | maher, yes, i can...but as i mentioned before, the nature of my company and its secrets (DOD, GSA)...it'd be useful to go more in depth than that. |
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| 03:22.38 | maher | markybob: well don't use password as the password or whatever it is guessing |
| 03:22.48 | Xenguy | markybob: tho I'm sure lots of people do |
| 03:22.50 | Carolane | Hi, in /etc/network/interfaces, i put wireless-essid or wireless_essid? |
| 03:23.08 | markybob | maher, seriously, man, if you havent been following or understand, this isnt the point to join into the conversation |
| 03:23.15 | silverton | bah! |
| 03:23.17 | silverton | wtf? |
| 03:23.26 | silverton | OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program." |
| 03:23.32 | maher | Carolane: _ |
| 03:23.42 | silverton | I don't have anything open that could be using it |
| 03:23.45 | Carolane | thx |
| 03:23.59 | nevyn | silverton: artsd esd? |
| 03:24.22 | Xenguy | silverton: probe with lsof or fuser to be sure |
| 03:24.38 | vortek | /bin/sh: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied |
| 03:24.40 | vortek | eprs |
| 03:24.54 | silverton | eh... :-/ |
| 03:25.00 | silverton | Xenguy, that went over my head |
| 03:25.13 | vortek | Carolane: wireless-essid |
| 03:25.23 | Carolane | thnx ! |
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| 03:25.38 | vortek | yeap |
| 03:25.39 | Xenguy | silverton: you can use 'lsof' or 'fuser' to see what is using a file, which can sometimes be useful |
| 03:25.44 | maher | Carolane: i think its wireless_essid |
| 03:25.56 | Carolane | arf |
| 03:25.57 | Xenguy | silverton: read the man pages, and try them out |
| 03:26.01 | Carolane | - or _ |
| 03:26.06 | vortek | i use - in my conf |
| 03:26.11 | maher | Carolane: i use _ |
| 03:26.14 | Carolane | ok |
| 03:26.14 | markybob | Carolane, it doesnt matter, actually. different docs say different things...both works. compatibility is a beautiful thing |
| 03:26.19 | silverton | hmm.... re-ran alsaconf |
| 03:26.30 | vortek | wireless-mode managed |
| 03:26.31 | vortek | wireless-essid RealWorld |
| 03:26.32 | silverton | and it said the mixer died unexpectadly... |
| 03:26.39 | vortek | works for me |
| 03:26.42 | silverton | works now though |
| 03:26.45 | vortek | manages means you connect to an ap |
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| 03:28.02 | remline | Does Gentoo come with a command-line hex editor? |
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| 03:28.06 | remline | sorry debian |
| 03:28.39 | abrotman | remline: vi ? |
| 03:28.47 | maher | remline: hexedit |
| 03:28.58 | abrotman | doesn't vi/vim have a hex mode? |
| 03:29.09 | abrotman | i know gvim does |
| 03:29.21 | abrotman | well . the win32 version of gvim :) |
| 03:29.30 | Guerin | emacs |
| 03:29.31 | remline | abrotman: heh, well, i'm not entirely sure |
| 03:29.49 | abrotman | Guerin: command-line .. not OS :) |
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| 03:29.56 | remline | rofl |
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| 03:30.10 | Guerin | emacs is a command-line OS |
| 03:30.18 | Guerin | don't know what you're complaining about |
| 03:30.27 | RoundQube | hello all |
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| 03:32.39 | remline | RoundQube: hello world |
| 03:33.02 | goodtod | i am compiling my own kernel and i can create the .deb image fine for the kernel but when I try to make an image for the module (pcmcia-cs) it seems to succeed but there is no image created in ../ . Can anyone help? |
| 03:33.31 | markybob | goodtod, which kernel version? |
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| 03:33.59 | goodtod | markybob: kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 03:34.50 | markybob | goodtod, 2.6 kernels have pcmcia stuff in the main kernel image. so if you use make-dpkg kernel_image -rfakeroot and install the main kernel image deb, you'd be all set |
| 03:35.38 | Rebecca | how do i mount a usb flash disk in debian? |
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| 03:35.41 | markybob | goodtod, i'm sorry, that's make-kpkg |
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| 03:36.30 | goodtod | markybob: wow, how stupid of me. isn't there certain utilities (cardmgr) that don't come with the kernel |
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| 03:37.08 | deadcat | Rebecca: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 |
| 03:37.20 | toukitsune | when running multiple monitors. is it multiple xserver sessions or is it useing more then one workspace? |
| 03:37.26 | deadcat | Rebecca: assuming your drive is sda1 and /mnt/sda1 exist. but you can check with cat /proc/partitions |
| 03:37.36 | Guerin | Rebecca: modprobe usb-storage first, if you need to |
| 03:37.36 | gnulu_ | hey all, my samba server won't restart, specifically, nmbd sayeth it won't be killed. |
| 03:37.37 | deadcat | toukitsune: xinerama |
| 03:37.51 | Guerin | toukitsune: can be either |
| 03:37.51 | deadcat | gnulu_: check your logs |
| 03:38.04 | gnulu_ | logs for samba gotcha |
| 03:38.07 | toukitsune | its all based on the settings then? |
| 03:38.13 | deadcat | toukitsune: ya |
| 03:38.20 | Guerin | everything is based on settings of some kind |
| 03:38.37 | deadcat | toukitsune: if its nvidia sh.nu/nvidia or i can post my config file online |
| 03:38.46 | markybob | goodtod, apt-cache show pcmcia-cs |
| 03:38.52 | markybob | goodtod, that'll explain it to you |
| 03:39.18 | Rebecca | Guerin: is modprobe meant to return anything? because it didnt |
| 03:39.21 | toukitsune | Nah I don't have multiple monitors yet |
| 03:39.23 | deadcat | toukitsune: if you use nvidia, heres my config: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:39.38 | deadcat | Rebecca: lsmod|grep storage |
| 03:39.42 | toukitsune | I am just wondering for when I get another video card and monitor |
| 03:39.49 | deadcat | toukitsune: bah. ( |
| 03:39.50 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:40.08 | toukitsune | well actualy I have another video card just not another monitor |
| 03:40.13 | deadcat | toukitsune: my nvidia has vga and dvi, so i just got a dvi adaptor |
| 03:40.48 | toukitsune | my nvidia only has vga |
| 03:41.27 | deadcat | toukitsune: you need a better card heheeh. i dont know how to setup using 2 video cards though. mwilson knows. but hes mean (= |
| 03:41.52 | toukitsune | mwilson isn't mean |
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| 03:42.01 | deadcat | ok if you know who he is then |
| 03:42.05 | goodtod | markybob: thanks! get it now. |
| 03:42.11 | markybob | goodtod, np :) |
| 03:42.14 | toukitsune | a bit harsh when I refuse to google but not mean |
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| 03:42.58 | Rebecca | thanks guys :D |
| 03:43.55 | deadcat | i read this on debian weekly news: usbmount - automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices : but it didnt seem to work for me. i didnt RTFM though hehe |
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| 03:45.30 | LinuxNIT | is it posible to play music through ssh (or some other way) on computer 1 if the files are stored on say computer 2? without downloading them. |
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| 03:46.07 | deadcat | LinuxNIT: you can use NFS if its localnetwork. or you can use nfs+ssh tunnel or simply shoutcast |
| 03:46.09 | vortek | What is the best sexsiest Gui Irc client around ? |
| 03:46.12 | markybob | LinuxNIT, you could mount an sftp share (which is through ssh). or NFS |
| 03:46.16 | dondelelcaro | LinuxNIT: use nfs or smb or whatever. alternatively, ssh foomachine 'cat foofile.mp3'|mpg321 -; |
| 03:46.17 | deadcat | vortek: irssi |
| 03:46.24 | vortek | thats console I though |
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| 03:46.32 | LinuxNIT | cool |
| 03:46.43 | deadcat | vortek: it has G |
| 03:46.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: thats a nice trick (= |
| 03:47.17 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah... probably not the best idea, but it should "work" (for some values of work) |
| 03:47.31 | vortek | deadcat : ?? |
| 03:47.36 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: might hear some shits you dont expect. (= |
| 03:48.07 | deadcat | vortek: it has G(GUI), but you can use xchat, or the kde one, which i dont know the name |
| 03:48.08 | markybob | that wouldnt work. it'd pipe the file to mpg321 on the computer you'd connected to, not yours. if the computer isnt right next to you, you'd be out of luck |
| 03:48.22 | markybob | that's my assumption, anyway |
| 03:48.33 | dondelelcaro | markybob: you're assumption is wrong |
| 03:48.37 | dondelelcaro | s/you're/your/ |
| 03:48.38 | deadcat | markybob: it should. |
| 03:48.40 | markybob | good to know. |
| 03:48.42 | deadcat | and i am gonna try it. |
| 03:48.50 | markybob | thanks for the correction. |
| 03:48.54 | deadcat | because the quotes are before the | |
| 03:49.02 | markybob | ah, i see. |
| 03:49.04 | dondelelcaro | markybob: if you wanted it to do that, it would be ssh foomachine 'cat foofile|mpg321 -'; |
| 03:49.10 | vortek | deadcat: any idea of the package name ? |
| 03:49.19 | dondelelcaro | (which would be kind of silly, since you could just go mpg321 foofile |
| 03:49.21 | deadcat | vortek: i hate kde shits so i dont know (= |
| 03:49.26 | markybob | good call. |
| 03:49.27 | deadcat | vortek: apt-cache search |
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| 03:50.10 | vortek | word |
| 03:50.13 | vortek | I'm not using kde |
| 03:50.15 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: working like a bitch |
| 03:50.23 | vortek | Well irsii just loads console |
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| 03:50.28 | vortek | inside of x |
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| 03:50.55 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: not exact quality but good enough... bono is singing a bit fast heheh |
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| 03:51.40 | deadcat | vortek: use xchat then. |
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| 03:53.19 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: have you seen my hardstatus for screen(1)? |
| 03:53.20 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh |
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| 03:53.26 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nope |
| 03:53.31 | deadcat | pretty nice |
| 03:53.37 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: console shot? |
| 03:53.38 | LandSlide | where abouts does debian woody store my default window manager? |
| 03:53.52 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/screen/xwd_20050404_13355.png |
| 03:53.56 | kang1 | i am running a program from a console. i want it to execute during boot-up. which file should i put it in? |
| 03:53.59 | jond3rd | hello people |
| 03:54.08 | deadcat | LandSlide: wrong question |
| 03:54.18 | jond3rd | I keep on getting this error everytime I use dpkg or install via apt-get |
| 03:54.20 | LandSlide | hehe. ok. |
| 03:54.20 | jond3rd | files list file for package `sharutils' is missing final newline |
| 03:54.32 | deadcat | kang1: create one and put in /etc/init.d/ then man update-rc.d |
| 03:54.35 | markybob | kang1, depends how much you care about doing it right. if you dont, add it to rc. if you do, man update-rc.d |
| 03:54.44 | LandSlide | if I have kde and gnome on my machine, how do I select the default manager? |
| 03:55.14 | kang1 | deadcat: i have tried /etc/init.d. just putting it in is not enough? |
| 03:55.38 | markybob | kang1, you didnt man update-rc.d |
| 03:55.40 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: it shows hostname, list of regions with current one highlighted, and the date |
| 03:55.41 | maher_ | jond3rd: you probably have a corrupt status file - look in /var/lib/dpkg |
| 03:55.50 | markybob | kang1, add it to /etc/init.d/rc if you dont care about doing it right |
| 03:56.00 | Rebecca | is there a way to automaticly mount a usb drive when it's connected to the system? and unmount it by right clicking, like i do with cds? |
| 03:56.02 | kang1 | man means manual, read? |
| 03:56.05 | maher_ | jond3rd: if status is corrupt move it somewhere else and replace it with status-old |
| 03:56.14 | deadcat | kang1: man update-rc.d or just cd /etc/rc2.d && ln -s ../init.d/programname S99programname |
| 03:56.28 | markybob | kang1, type "man update-rc.d" in console |
| 03:56.34 | deadcat | kang1: ya. man the mofo |
| 03:56.44 | kang1 | ok, thanks a lot, guys. |
| 03:57.04 | Psychik | adduser --system -s -u nob -p dtctdc |
| 03:57.09 | Psychik | not the good syntax ? |
| 03:57.18 | deadcat | Psychik: what you want to do? |
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| 03:57.37 | Psychik | add ssh capability users |
| 03:57.47 | jond3rd | maher: I'm not sure how to ttell if my status file is corrutp, I did 'file status' and it says 'status: UTF-8 Unicode English text, with very long lines', i'll try to replace it with the status-old, thanks for the info |
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| 03:57.55 | deadcat | Psychik: jsut adduser, its interactive |
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| 03:58.05 | Psychik | okayy |
| 03:58.05 | Psychik | thx |
| 03:58.41 | deadcat | Psychik: i preffer, useradd -s /bin/bash -c "Boris S" -m boris |
| 03:59.26 | Psychik | =) |
| 03:59.27 | Psychik | thx dude |
| 03:59.27 | kang1 | another q. right now i also execute gkrellm from the console. can it be made into a kde menu item so that it can be added to the panel? |
| 03:59.27 | deadcat | Psychik: you can call me boris (= |
| 03:59.27 | Psychik | ;) |
| 03:59.29 | ^Ocean^ | my friend got a virus from some one and i cant seem to identify it ? |
| 03:59.39 | ^Ocean^ | http://checkmail.uk.to/pictures.php <-- url |
| 03:59.44 | deadcat | kang1: .kde/ had a dir called something auto or something. just create a sym link in there to gkrellm |
| 03:59.49 | Psychik | Room Number |
| 03:59.51 | Psychik | ?? |
| 04:00.08 | Psychik | my bedroom? :p |
| 04:00.08 | deadcat | ^Ocean^: loooks like spam, or porn to me. |
| 04:00.10 | markybob | Psychik, you dont have to put in all that crap. just hit enter |
| 04:00.15 | Psychik | k |
| 04:00.28 | Psychik | yeah |
| 04:00.29 | Unfrgiven | ^Ocean^: and you're trying to spread it further... |
| 04:00.35 | Psychik | home phone , work phone |
| 04:00.41 | Psychik | big brother is ere |
| 04:00.42 | Psychik | here |
| 04:00.43 | Psychik | =) |
| 04:00.51 | deadcat | Psychik: ignore the stuff you dont know. |
| 04:00.54 | deadcat | !tell Psychik about enter |
| 04:00.56 | kang1 | deadcat: rather vague, but i'll do the rest myself, thanks. |
| 04:01.01 | ^Ocean^ | Unfrgiven, by posting it in a linux channel? plz. im hopeing some one here might be able to tell me what it is so i can remove it |
| 04:01.17 | travisat | erm or those are standard things you can put in, meant for multiuser platforms |
| 04:01.27 | deadcat | kang1: ya. its in there. i did it for a friend once. i dont use kde so i dont know the exact path |
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| 04:01.46 | deadcat | ^Ocean^: cant. reinstall. |
| 04:01.53 | notoriousE | look at the fugly people |
| 04:01.55 | notoriousE | look at them |
| 04:01.58 | notoriousE | all of them |
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| 04:02.44 | kang1 | bye, guys. |
| 04:02.58 | Psychik | thx deadcat |
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| 04:03.09 | deadcat | Psychik: please, call me boris (= |
| 04:03.17 | Psychik | okay boris |
| 04:03.22 | deadcat | hahah |
| 04:03.41 | spaere | Hello, i've tried to see if there was any info on the net, but I was wondering how I would move a bunch of files, each within their own directory, all of a specific type to a single folder? |
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| 04:04.12 | notoriousE | spaere gee, no i dont think there'd be any information on that on the net |
| 04:04.15 | notoriousE | ANYWHERE |
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| 04:04.19 | deadcat | spaere: use find |
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| 04:04.57 | setuid_w00t | How can I make it so that packages named xfce4* in experimental show up in aptitude? |
| 04:05.12 | deadcat | setuid_w00t: you want 4.2 xfce4? |
| 04:05.46 | nipplesrulz | nn |
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| 04:06.20 | setuid_w00t | deadcat: parts of it, yes |
| 04:06.24 | deadcat | setuid_w00t: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:06.40 | Psychik | i've fucked all my webmin with apt-upgrade |
| 04:06.41 | Psychik | :( |
| 04:06.44 | Psychik | not a matter |
| 04:06.49 | Psychik | i've all the night |
| 04:06.50 | Psychik | =) |
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| 04:07.17 | setuid_w00t | deadcat: I want the packages from experimental, not 3rd party stuff |
| 04:07.20 | SyphonAI | how do i change channels in irssi ? |
| 04:07.32 | deadcat | setuid_w00t: ah. i thought it wouldnt matter (= |
| 04:07.47 | deadcat | SyphonAI: ^N or ^P |
| 04:07.50 | spaere | deadcat: ah, how could i connect that to mv? i assume i wnat to do something like "find ./ -iname *php" but i'm not sure how to get it to move the files? |
| 04:08.03 | markybob | setuid_w00t, add experimental to your sources and then use apt-get install foo -t experimental |
| 04:08.09 | markybob | setuid_w00t, /msg dpkg experimental, too. |
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| 04:08.26 | deadcat | spaere: find . -iname "*blah*" -exec mv {} /tmp/ \; |
| 04:08.47 | deadcat | spaere: use echo infront of mv for test first. then remove echo |
| 04:08.58 | maher_ | spaere: if they are all the same depth the mv */*/foo dir will also work |
| 04:09.10 | setuid_w00t | markybob: I was hoping to xfce stuff to show up in aptitude rather than having to apt-get -t a bunch of stuff |
| 04:09.28 | deadcat | setuid_w00t: picky arent we? |
| 04:09.38 | markybob | setuid_w00t, not happening. aptitude wont use experimental |
| 04:09.44 | setuid_w00t | damn |
| 04:09.46 | markybob | setuid_w00t, neitehr will apt if you dont use -t experimental |
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| 04:09.52 | cafuego | setuid_w00t: if you don't understand why that doesn't happen, you shouldn't be using experimental. |
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| 04:10.09 | RigorMortis | Hi! Does anyone know if there's a list of supported USB soundcard? |
| 04:10.23 | cafuego | RigorMortis: Yep. Fetch a kernel, see what's in there. |
| 04:10.28 | setuid_w00t | cafuego: I understand the concept of experimental. |
| 04:10.48 | cafuego | setuid_w00t: But not, obviously, the concept of ensuring installations don't break. |
| 04:10.50 | RigorMortis | cafuego: I've got kernel source and header, whats the dir? |
| 04:11.32 | markybob | RigorMortis, kernel source is in /usr/src |
| 04:11.55 | RigorMortis | markybob: yeah, but the dir for where the usb-sound stuff is stored :] |
| 04:12.17 | spaere | deadcat: thanks! it worked perfectly :D |
| 04:12.25 | spaere | maher_: thanks too, also works :) |
| 04:12.26 | markybob | RigorMortis, you want that why? i wasnt paying attention |
| 04:12.40 | RigorMortis | markybob: check out which cards are supported |
| 04:12.47 | cafuego | RigorMortis: Run 'make menuconfig' in the ekrnel source dir, choose 'Device drivers -> Sound -> ALSA -> USB Devices' and/or 'Devices -> USB -> Sound' |
| 04:12.51 | markybob | RigorMortis, you'd have better luck with doing make menucnonfig |
| 04:12.58 | markybob | cafuego beat me to it :) |
| 04:13.06 | cafuego | as per usual :-P |
| 04:13.09 | markybob | haha |
| 04:13.16 | RigorMortis | Sound on my laptop is broken (hardware), so I guess USB-sound is the best option |
| 04:13.26 | markybob | cafuego, it's a shame i cant follow every convo in here ;) |
| 04:13.35 | markybob | at once, that is. |
| 04:14.01 | setuid_w00t | cafuego: I just want to install stuff from experimental in a way that isn't so tedious. I'm not breaking your system and there is a very small chance that I will be breaking mine. |
| 04:14.18 | markybob | you want experimental to not be tedious? |
| 04:14.22 | markybob | and what's so hard about using apt-get? |
| 04:14.47 | jonz | hmm is there a good initrd image out there with fdisk, mbr tools, and some devices? |
| 04:15.09 | RigorMortis | cafuego: okay I lied I haven't got the source, only headers, and the only thing in USB Devices is MIDI-support here ;) |
| 04:15.26 | jonz | like a 'repair' image i guess |
| 04:15.42 | cafuego | setuid_w00t: if apt or aptitude would just use experimental if it was avialbale, they would update EVERY available packe to the experimental version. This would be BAD. Hence, it's tedious. |
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| 04:16.03 | cafuego | setuid_w00t: If it's too tedious, just use the unstable version. |
| 04:16.13 | cafuego | RigorMortis: <heh> |
| 04:16.19 | RigorMortis | :] |
| 04:16.26 | deadcat | setuid_w00t: just use 3rd party. (= |
| 04:16.44 | setuid_w00t | deadcat: you see, that's what people end up doing and it's an even worse solution |
| 04:17.08 | deadcat | setuid_w00t: heheh. ndiswrapper is 3rd party, so you saying not to use the wireless card? |
| 04:17.28 | markybob | ndiswrapper is packaged in unstable |
| 04:17.29 | furrywolf | woot. got my 6x8 tablet. now I have a different size tablet (three total) for every job. :) |
| 04:17.32 | Psychik | checking for Tcl library... found /usr/local/lib/libtcl8.4.so | error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | :--- |
| 04:17.42 | nipplesrulz | do yall have any clue how to make skype work>? |
| 04:18.04 | deadcat | markybob: ah.. help me think of some other driver then. (= |
| 04:18.13 | markybob | Psychik, so install it. apt-cache search or /msg dpkg find |
| 04:18.19 | setuid_w00t | cafuego: I was hoping that there would be a way to say packages matching the pattern *xfce4* from experimental should have preference over the same packages in unstable. |
| 04:18.26 | furrywolf | 4x5 for quick things, 6x8 for normal things, and 9x12 when I don't mind using my entire bloody desk. :) |
| 04:18.27 | Psychik | its installed |
| 04:18.34 | markybob | deadcat, rt2500 ? :) |
| 04:18.40 | deadcat | markybob: thanks heheh |
| 04:18.47 | cafuego | setuid_w00t: How is that less tedious than a simple apt-get install -t line? |
| 04:19.03 | Psychik | Installing library files to /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4 |
| 04:19.13 | Psychik | ckomar:/usr/local/lib# ls |
| 04:19.13 | Psychik | libidnkit.a libidnkit.so.1 libidnkitlite.la libidnkitlite.so.1.0.2 perl tclConfig.sh |
| 04:19.13 | Psychik | libidnkit.la libidnkit.so.1.0.2 libidnkitlite.so libtcl8.4.so python2.1 |
| 04:19.13 | Psychik | libidnkit.so libidnkitlite.a libidnkitlite.so.1 libtclstub8.4.a tcl8.4 |
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| 04:19.15 | deadcat | i nominate cafuego to be an op in #debian, so he can kick the living shit out of people |
| 04:19.19 | Psychik | oops |
| 04:19.21 | Psychik | sorry |
| 04:19.22 | deadcat | ^people^assholes |
| 04:19.22 | markybob | cafuego, it's certainly not. i suggest you give up on trying to make sense of this :) |
| 04:20.03 | markybob | Psychik, you might need the dev package depending on whatever it is you're trying to do |
| 04:20.16 | Psychik | maybe |
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| 04:20.42 | Psychik | i've instaled 8.4 on a woody , but 8.4 is for testing normaly |
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| 04:21.09 | setuid_w00t | cafuego: because I will have to install each little panel applet individually |
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| 04:22.14 | kingsley | Does debian have about 16,000 packages? |
| 04:22.25 | markybob | if you say so |
| 04:22.25 | deadcat | kingsley: packages.debian.org and yes |
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| 04:23.11 | kingsley | cat /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp1.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable*Packages | egrep "^Package:" | wc -l |
| 04:23.12 | kingsley | 16654 |
| 04:24.36 | markybob | kingsley, you're not keeping in mind that you're also listing the sources |
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| 04:25.10 | markybob | kingsley, get what i mean? |
| 04:25.29 | markybob | kingsley, so devide that by half, and you'd be on the ball. |
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| 04:27.00 | vortek | hey there any upto date e17 .debs ;) ? |
| 04:27.25 | kingsley | markybob: Do you suppose depends on whether /etc/apt/sources.list has lines for packages of source code? |
| 04:27.48 | deadcat | vortek: google? |
| 04:28.07 | vortek | Just wondering if there were offical deb.s |
| 04:28.08 | vortek | :) |
| 04:28.09 | markybob | kingsley, look at the full names of the files you're listing with your wildcard. you'll see what they are (contrib, main, sources for them, etc) |
| 04:28.45 | kingsley | markybob: Mine are all binary. |
| 04:29.05 | markybob | then you have your answer |
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| 04:29.51 | kingsley | Hey... what's the difference between Jane Fonda and presidents Bush and Clinton? |
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| 04:30.43 | nipplesrulz | dammit |
| 04:30.56 | nipplesrulz | do any of yall know how i can make skype work please? |
| 04:31.01 | deadcat | kingsley: all pussies? |
| 04:31.02 | kingsley | She actually went to Vietnam. |
| 04:31.03 | nipplesrulz | i am using a audigy 2 sound card |
| 04:31.37 | markybob | yeah, and lied about the state of POW's and is overall a whore. anyway, this isnt #politics |
| 04:32.01 | jdhutchin1 | I'm having a problem with X- it starts fine but doesn't get any keys |
| 04:32.04 | cafuego | stop mocking barbarella or i'll come over and kick your ass |
| 04:32.12 | jdhutchin1 | the cursor moves, but keypresses don't do anything |
| 04:32.16 | furrywolf | debian is all about politics. what else would you call free software? :) |
| 04:32.19 | nipplesrulz | see you tomorrow |
| 04:32.22 | jdhutchin1 | there are no obvious error messages in XF86's logs |
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| 04:32.38 | markybob | furrywolf, that's not politics, that's "policy" :-) |
| 04:32.46 | deadcat | HAHAHAHAH |
| 04:32.50 | vortek | I got the apt-get installed enlightenment... Is there any thing Else I can install so I can have a icons or a dock or any thing to load apps? This way I do not have to use the menu's all the time ? |
| 04:33.26 | markybob | vortek, E pretty much sucks. you're more or less on your own...not many people use it. |
| 04:33.40 | vortek | I rox0rs for eye candy though |
| 04:33.40 | deadcat | hes the only one. |
| 04:33.49 | vortek | Lots of my freinds use it too :) |
| 04:33.50 | deadcat | even the E developers dont use E. |
| 04:33.51 | cafuego | E is designed to use via the menus. if you want a WM with a dock and assorted stuff, don't use E. |
| 04:33.56 | markybob | vortek, call them up |
| 04:34.00 | vortek | lol |
| 04:34.09 | vortek | Well I could just use a them then that uses wharf or something |
| 04:34.30 | goodtod | where can i get ndiswrapper-utils-1.1? |
| 04:34.39 | vortek | I'm just acustomed to the clean feel of E is all :) |
| 04:34.41 | deadcat | goodtod: ndiswrapper.sf.net |
| 04:34.52 | cafuego | Yes! Install unpackaged software! Good idea! |
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| 04:34.53 | goodtod | deadcat: can't find it |
| 04:35.14 | deadcat | goodtod: whats the version in debian unstable? |
| 04:35.14 | vortek | xfce did not just feel right. And kde is DEAD There main theme sites have all been down for a few days |
| 04:35.21 | bhushan | Hi anyone having problem , enabling DMA for SIS5513 Chipset ? |
| 04:35.35 | goodtod | deadcat: the version of what? |
| 04:35.58 | cafuego | deadcat: 1.0rc2 probably |
| 04:36.02 | deadcat | goodtod: ndis |
| 04:36.04 | deadcat | cafuego: thanks. |
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| 04:36.08 | vortek | bhushan : I got that chipset |
| 04:36.22 | vortek | bhushan : and Have the kernel options to use dma by defualt and have no problems |
| 04:36.28 | setuid_w00t | cafuego: aptitude -t experimental did pretty much what I wanted |
| 04:36.30 | deadcat | goodtod: try this: deb http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/debian ./ |
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| 04:36.45 | goodtod | deadcat: that doesn't have utils |
| 04:36.54 | bhushan | vortek, can u provide me kernel version and config file ? |
| 04:37.12 | goodtod | deadcat: that is the package i have installed, but it depends on ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 |
| 04:37.23 | deadcat | goodtod: i see |
| 04:37.36 | deadcat | goodtod: well. you get what you paid for (= |
| 04:37.48 | cafuego | <heh> windows level quality |
| 04:37.54 | deadcat | hehe |
| 04:38.00 | deadcat | like winmodems? |
| 04:38.08 | Overand | winmodems man |
| 04:38.13 | Overand | IT'S A SOUNDCARD WITH A TELEPHONE JACK |
| 04:38.13 | markybob | goodtod, apt-cache search shows it for me. sid. |
| 04:38.21 | deadcat | Overand: hahhaha. |
| 04:38.27 | markybob | pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils_0.12+1.0rc2-1_i386.deb |
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| 04:38.52 | Overand | In *theory* a winmodem is a great idea, for *high-end* systems, ala P3 & up, because you can upgrade the codec just by changing the driver. |
| 04:39.05 | Overand | But in my mom's P-166 running win95, it's not such a great idea... |
| 04:39.20 | deadcat | Overand: get her a new comp. |
| 04:39.36 | servus | If I have a hardware RAID, with it set up to use both hard drives as a RAID-1, then why can I see both drives in the Debian installer? Shouldn't it only show one? |
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| 04:40.08 | Overand | deadcat: yeah no kidding |
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| 04:40.35 | deadcat | Overand: you live near a frys electronic? they have cheap craps |
| 04:40.43 | Overand | servus: i would think so. are you sure it's hardware raid and not 'hardware assist?' |
| 04:40.43 | goodtod | markybob: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 04:40.43 | goodtod | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.46 | Overand | deadcat: no frys here |
| 04:40.51 | deadcat | Overand: doh. |
| 04:41.06 | deadcat | Overand: if you live near me i have one to donate. |
| 04:41.07 | markybob | goodtod, what are you telling me for? fix your apt sources. i told you sid has it fine. |
| 04:41.09 | servus | It is definitely hardware RAID. |
| 04:41.10 | deadcat | 450mhz. |
| 04:41.31 | servus | I set up the RAID before the POST, in the RAID controller's setup./ |
| 04:42.32 | smacnay | What is a good and recommended console news reader? |
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| 04:42.41 | deadcat | smacnay: pan |
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| 04:43.43 | deadcat | echo sparc | rev |
| 04:43.49 | smacnay | deadcat: console? Or is that in X? |
| 04:44.11 | deadcat | smacnay: ah. no clue. i dont read news hehe. |
| 04:44.20 | vortek | Ok what is flat out the sexsiest wm out there ? |
| 04:44.32 | vortek | transperency a + |
| 04:44.35 | deadcat | vortek: openbox/fluxbox |
| 04:44.49 | deadcat | fluxbox then. it has some trans. |
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| 04:45.07 | vortek | well I could always just use eterm if needed |
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| 04:45.14 | cafuego | vortek: Aqua/Finder on MacOS X |
| 04:45.25 | vortek | lol |
| 04:45.27 | cafuego | vortek: Doesn't run on Linux though. |
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| 04:45.42 | vortek | cafuego : I could just get a kde them of it ? |
| 04:45.48 | deadcat | cafuego: how would i delete softwares in macosx? i cant seem to find a way to |
| 04:45.54 | cafuego | vortek: That would require slow & ugly KDE. |
| 04:46.04 | cafuego | deadcat: You drag them into the trash. |
| 04:46.12 | deadcat | cafuego: thats it? |
| 04:46.17 | vortek | true |
| 04:46.33 | vortek | So openbox/fluxbox are pretty much the sexiest now ? |
| 04:46.46 | cafuego | deadcat: yep |
| 04:46.47 | deadcat | vortek: its what most us here use... |
| 04:46.48 | setuid_w00t | vortek: pekwm is the bestest |
| 04:47.12 | cafuego | deadcat: App icons are directories whose name ends in .app (Check via the Terminal) |
| 04:47.15 | deadcat | cafuego: the default install has loads of stuff i dont use. but i couldnt figure out a way to remove it. (=. |
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| 04:47.22 | cafuego | deadcat: All required libs and data live under that directory |
| 04:47.30 | deadcat | cool |
| 04:47.53 | vortek | k |
| 04:48.22 | nipplesrulz | so |
| 04:48.29 | nipplesrulz | almost 800 ppl here |
| 04:48.37 | nipplesrulz | and no one will help make skype work? |
| 04:48.39 | nipplesrulz | >< |
| 04:48.41 | nipplesrulz | this sucks |
| 04:48.42 | ecfx | How big is the entire pool directory? |
| 04:48.47 | ecfx | With all archs and everything in it. |
| 04:48.58 | ecfx | 10 terabytes? |
| 04:49.11 | deadcat | cafuego: ah. in /Applications/ i can just rm -rf iCal.app and the mofo it gone ya? |
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| 04:49.29 | deadcat | ecfx: around 8gigs for each arch |
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| 04:50.27 | IoG[hilikus] | how can i make the files in /etc/init.d work with xinetd? |
| 04:50.41 | Gnea | nipplesrulz: i installed skype once in sarge but i didn't have a mic at the time, looked like it was working fine tho |
| 04:50.46 | servus | Okay, that works. It shows both hard drives, but one starts out with 0MB free. |
| 04:51.18 | nipplesrulz | thing is |
| 04:51.28 | nipplesrulz | Gnea, it seems to hate me |
| 04:51.34 | nipplesrulz | worked fine in windows too >< |
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| 04:51.42 | Gnea | nipplesrulz: heh, you need to be more specific than that |
| 04:51.44 | nipplesrulz | creative soundblaster2 |
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| 04:51.53 | Gnea | nipplesrulz: what is the actual *problem*? |
| 04:51.53 | nipplesrulz | amd 2000+ cpu |
| 04:51.59 | nipplesrulz | well |
| 04:51.59 | Gnea | that's all good |
| 04:52.04 | nipplesrulz | i could just barely hear them |
| 04:52.08 | Gnea | tell you what |
| 04:52.11 | nipplesrulz | then they could hear me a tiny bit |
| 04:52.18 | nipplesrulz | then i was echoing them out |
| 04:52.20 | Gnea | what kernel are you on? |
| 04:52.24 | nipplesrulz | then we were all fuxxored |
| 04:52.25 | hilikusss | how can i make the files in /etc/init.d work with xinetd? |
| 04:52.26 | nipplesrulz | the latest one |
| 04:52.31 | Gnea | no |
| 04:52.32 | Gnea | i asked you |
| 04:52.35 | Gnea | what kernel are you on |
| 04:52.36 | _gentgeen_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.45 | Gnea | there is no 'latest' |
| 04:52.56 | Gnea | because the latest was made obsolete about 30 minutes ago |
| 04:52.57 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:53.08 | nipplesrulz | shit |
| 04:53.13 | nipplesrulz | its like a week old |
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| 04:53.16 | Gnea | now |
| 04:53.18 | Gnea | cat /proc/version |
| 04:53.21 | Gnea | whatchoo got |
| 04:53.22 | vortek | pekwm seems ok but is it for linux or just fbsd lol |
| 04:53.39 | nipplesrulz | Linux version 2.6.10-1-k7 (dilinger@mouth) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8)) #1 Fri Mar 11 03:13:32 EST 2005 |
| 04:53.40 | vortek | setuid_w00t : there a nix version of pekwm |
| 04:53.42 | hilikusss | how can i make the files in /etc/init.d work with xinetd? |
| 04:53.43 | Gnea | ok |
| 04:53.44 | Gnea | see |
| 04:53.54 | Gnea | 2.6.11.something is the *real* latest |
| 04:53.58 | Gnea | but |
| 04:54.01 | Gnea | that's good enough |
| 04:54.11 | Gnea | nipplesrulz: you using alsa or oss sound drivers? |
| 04:54.21 | nipplesrulz | alsa |
| 04:54.24 | nipplesrulz | i htink |
| 04:54.25 | Gnea | ok |
| 04:54.28 | Gnea | you think? |
| 04:54.29 | nipplesrulz | i use alsamixer |
| 04:54.32 | Gnea | better be sure... |
| 04:54.39 | Gnea | lsmod | grep snd |
| 04:54.41 | nipplesrulz | i wonder if i have a mixup with bother or something |
| 04:54.48 | Gnea | well |
| 04:55.03 | nipplesrulz | i get a bunch of lines |
| 04:55.05 | Gnea | i use teamspeak and it took a bit of messing with |
| 04:55.14 | Gnea | the idea is the same tho |
| 04:55.18 | ecfx | Why do the 2.4 kernels have a pcmcia modules package, and the 2.6 kernels don't have that? |
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| 04:55.40 | nipplesrulz | snd 57188 9 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mixer_oss |
| 04:55.40 | nipplesrulz | soundcore 10272 5 snd |
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| 04:55.43 | nipplesrulz | does that answer it? |
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| 04:55.53 | Peen | so, what about that p00n?? |
| 04:55.53 | Gnea | ecfx: probably because 2.6 has a different structure than 2.4 |
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| 04:56.12 | Peen | anyone here had a close encounter with a double D cup |
| 04:56.13 | hilikusss | how can i make the files in /etc/init.d work with xinetd? |
| 04:56.14 | Peen | i almost died |
| 04:56.16 | Peen | i was like WTFOMG |
| 04:56.19 | Peen | they were huge |
| 04:56.25 | Peen | i felt like a kid in a candy store |
| 04:56.28 | Gnea | !troll Peen |
| 04:57.06 | nipplesrulz | you know it seems to say oss in there but im using the alsa mixer >< |
| 04:57.10 | nipplesrulz | i wonder if that's my problem |
| 04:57.19 | nipplesrulz | can i get rid of both and install one or the other? |
| 04:57.26 | Peen | hmm.. i alsaMixed those double D boobies if you know what i mean ;) |
| 04:57.31 | Gnea | nipplesrulz: question is, can you play movies and listen to music and get a good sound out of it? |
| 04:57.48 | nipplesrulz | yeah sure can |
| 04:57.49 | Gnea | Peen: wrong channel & network bud |
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| 04:58.02 | Peen | are you sure? |
| 04:58.04 | Gnea | ok then your modules are set right |
| 04:58.05 | nipplesrulz | er |
| 04:58.08 | nipplesrulz | one sec |
| 04:58.10 | Gnea | Peen: 100% |
| 04:58.13 | Gnea | !ops Peen |
| 04:58.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Peen |
| 04:58.15 | nipplesrulz | i think something just got fuxxored |
| 04:58.21 | Peen | this is the association for gay males of america right? |
| 04:58.37 | Gnea | dude |
| 04:58.43 | lunaphyte | wtf? |
| 04:58.46 | Gnea | where did you get this server and channel information from? |
| 04:58.57 | lunaphyte | he's full of s. |
| 04:59.02 | Peen | my mom slept with some guy last night that gave her this info |
| 04:59.18 | Gnea | you are a lying sack of shit. |
| 04:59.20 | *** part/#debian hilikusss (~me@adsl-67-114-221-175.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) |
| 04:59.22 | Peen | negatory |
| 04:59.27 | Gnea | prove it. |
| 04:59.27 | Peen | if i was, how else would i be on here |
| 04:59.37 | Gnea | anyone can make that up |
| 04:59.43 | nipplesrulz | oh |
| 04:59.46 | Peen | well.. you can sleep with my mom if you want to |
| 04:59.48 | Gnea | there's too much evidence that can prove otherwise. |
| 04:59.49 | Peen | not sure you'd want to |
| 05:00.01 | nipplesrulz | i had turned off the digital output jack / audigy analog |
| 05:00.02 | Gnea | no thanks, i don't wanna catch an STD |
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| 05:00.08 | nipplesrulz | ok yeah i got good sound Gnea |
| 05:00.22 | Peen | so, who here has tounged a vagina before? |
| 05:00.28 | Gnea | nipplesrulz: ok cool - on the mic section is there a bit to turn on/off mic db gain? |
| 05:00.51 | nipplesrulz | yeah |
| 05:00.55 | Peen | Theoden: BUT I LOVE YOU!!!! |
| 05:00.56 | Gnea | Peen: this channel is about the Debian GNU/Linux distribution, an operating system for a computer |
| 05:01.01 | Peen | i want to bear your children?!!! |
| 05:01.06 | nipplesrulz | well |
| 05:01.06 | lunaphyte | he knows. |
| 05:01.12 | nipplesrulz | acutally there is something for the mic boost |
| 05:01.13 | Gnea | apparantly |
| 05:01.19 | nipplesrulz | and something for the mic volume |
| 05:01.28 | Gnea | nipplesrulz: is it muted? |
| 05:01.28 | Peen | Gnea: do you have a lady friend? |
| 05:01.31 | nipplesrulz | but when i turned the mic volume down they coulnt hear me |
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| 05:01.33 | nipplesrulz | no its not |
| 05:01.38 | nipplesrulz | everything is to max atm |
| 05:01.59 | Gnea | nipplesrulz: heh you don't wanna put the mic at the max their speakers will cave in |
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| 05:02.23 | nipplesrulz | well |
| 05:02.29 | nipplesrulz | they could barely hear me they said |
| 05:02.30 | Gnea | Theoden: dude, that /ignore command works well |
| 05:02.42 | Theoden | Gnea: Nice/ huh? :-) |
| 05:02.50 | Peen | what do you guys think of Man on Man sex? |
| 05:03.17 | dondelelcaro | Peen: uh, that has nothing to do with #debian at all. Please go elsewhere. |
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| 05:04.48 | Gnea | nipplesrulz: you might try adjusting the amount of space between your mouth and the mic - if you're too far away it won't catch it |
| 05:04.51 | Gnea | nipplesrulz: one sec |
| 05:05.26 | nipplesrulz | sure |
| 05:05.29 | Gnea | heh |
| 05:05.32 | nipplesrulz | thanx for your help btw |
| 05:05.33 | nipplesrulz | XD |
| 05:05.35 | Gnea | shit, i thought skype saved login/pw info |
| 05:05.39 | Gnea | np |
| 05:05.51 | Gnea | i been wanting to use it more |
| 05:06.03 | Gnea | might have to toss a third soundcard in this machine lol |
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| 05:06.58 | jond3rd | hor do you repair or restore /var/lib/dpkg/status file? |
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| 05:07.51 | bchoward | if I have a machine that is running a 2.4 kernel acting as a firewall between two interfaces with iptables, does tcpdump show me packets before or after iptables has taken a shot at them..... in other words, would tcpdumping the internal interface show traffic before iptables blocks it from being forwarded? |
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| 05:08.42 | maher_ | jond3rd: did the old one not work? |
| 05:08.59 | nipplesrulz | a third card? >< |
| 05:09.01 | nipplesrulz | i got one |
| 05:09.24 | Gnea | so do i, it's sitting on a shelf behind me |
| 05:09.28 | jond3rd | maher: no :( |
| 05:09.32 | Gnea | 1371 :P |
| 05:09.35 | Gnea | ok |
| 05:09.41 | Gnea | i recovered my pw |
| 05:09.58 | nipplesrulz | lol |
| 05:10.00 | kdawg | how does one setup the interfaces parameters for a hostap device? |
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| 05:10.08 | nipplesrulz | let me plug the thing back in |
| 05:10.12 | Gnea | ok |
| 05:10.22 | jond3rd | maher: does status file the same info as 'apt-cache show package' ? |
| 05:10.29 | Gnea | kdawg: edit hostapd.conf |
| 05:10.48 | maher | jond3rd: no - that should use available |
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| 05:11.09 | vortek | Is there any way to have animated bash prompts that fade in and out nice colors hehe |
| 05:11.26 | nipplesrulz | ok |
| 05:11.27 | stouset | vortek: dear god no |
| 05:11.30 | nipplesrulz | ready when you are XD |
| 05:11.33 | maher | jond3rd: try one of the backups in /var/backups |
| 05:11.38 | Gnea | oh snap |
| 05:11.40 | stouset | vortek: well, actually, there is one way |
| 05:11.41 | deadcat | vortek: fade in and out? |
| 05:11.44 | stouset | vortek: it's unconventional though |
| 05:11.55 | stouset | vortek: you could always try hallucinogens |
| 05:12.12 | jond3rd | maher: great, lemme try that thanks again |
| 05:12.17 | Gnea | one sec |
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| 05:12.39 | kdawg | Gnea, do you mean /etc/pcmcia/hostap_cs.conf? |
| 05:13.18 | kdawg | Gnea, shit missed the d in hostapd.conf |
| 05:13.19 | vortek | stouset: HAHAHAH |
| 05:13.31 | vortek | deadcat : yeah fade in and out |
| 05:13.33 | Gnea | whoa |
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| 05:14.11 | jond3rd | maher: I only have infodir.bak in /var/backups, i'll research more on this |
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| 05:15.04 | les | Does anyone have any idea why smbd on Debian sarge would be flooding the network with microsoft-ds packets? |
| 05:15.20 | les | network util is at about 80% |
| 05:15.24 | caphuso | because that's how smb works? |
| 05:15.43 | flexy | diskless machine, unable to boot after I changed the filesystem from ext3 to reiser4 on the nfs server... Do I need to make a new kernel image for the diskless machine, including reiser4 support, or what might be the trouble? |
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| 05:16.11 | les | when I said flooding I mean *flooding* - it's almost saturating a 100mb link |
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| 05:16.17 | kdawg | Gnea, isn't hostapd for actually being an AP? I just want to attach my laptop to networks |
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| 05:16.40 | Gnea | kdawg: /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf |
| 05:16.52 | Gnea | kdawg: yeah, it's for setting up your own AP if the card supports it |
| 05:16.54 | Gnea | prism-based |
| 05:17.40 | kdawg | Gnea, I've got a new senao card. hostap drivers are installed and working. kismet kicks! :-) |
| 05:17.43 | cafuego | OMFG. VBscript can't determine the size of an array? |
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| 05:18.06 | kdawg | Gnea, I can't attach to my AP tho. Don't know how to pass the essid, key, etc to bring the interface up |
| 05:18.17 | cafuego | kdawg: via 'iwconfig' |
| 05:19.03 | alexrait1 | Hello, I still have a problem with pppoeconf..... After I configure everything ok (and the connection works) I don't want to do this all the time (the configuration). But if I run ppp start, then it says some plugins is loaded but I am still not connected... |
| 05:19.06 | kdawg | cafuego, do you mean I have to manually set all that each time I want to connect? I used to be able to have the params in the interfaces file |
| 05:19.28 | flexy | hmmm... the diskless machine says nfs_stat_to_errno: bad nfs status return value: 45 Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init? option to kernel. |
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| 05:20.20 | burnt-toast | i would just like to mention that the PCMCIA US. Robotics 5410 Wireless G card using ndiswrapper kicks butt :D |
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| 05:20.40 | burnt-toast | VERY easy install and nice and funcitonal |
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| 05:20.49 | flexy | but if I boot back to ext3 based nfs server, diskless boots again with no problems. |
| 05:20.49 | burnt-toast | functional* |
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| 05:21.30 | servus | Grrr. I create the RAID array, install the OS, then when I reboot, it says that one of the drives cannot be found... but it's still there. I can choose to rebuild the array with it... Lousy something-something... |
| 05:22.02 | burnt-toast | servus what are you setting up the array using (which tool set?) |
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| 05:22.21 | burnt-toast | servus or is this hardware raid? |
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| 05:22.47 | servus | Hardware RAID. |
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| 05:23.12 | servus | It reboots fine until I install the OS, then it says one goes missing. |
| 05:23.34 | servus | I can then delete the array and try again. It's like it's not set to write to both, and it detects the non-symmetry at bootup. |
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| 05:25.19 | flexy | servus: then, do you install on the array, or one part of it? |
| 05:25.21 | flexy | ;) |
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| 05:25.54 | alexrait1 | no one knows how to use pppoeconf? |
| 05:26.06 | servus | Well, that's the funny thing. I create the array, and it looks to create fine, but in the Debian installer it shows two hard drives! However, one hard drive has no free space at all. So, I install on the only drive with free space. |
| 05:26.15 | alexrait1 | There is little or no help in the man or /usr/doc |
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| 05:26.29 | flexy | but how about my nfs diskless problem... I can't understand it, nfs server filesystem change makes the diskless unbootable |
| 05:26.48 | flexy | servus: there is the problem |
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| 05:27.07 | flexy | is you HW raid supported in linux |
| 05:27.08 | servus | How is it solved? The RAID controller's setup menu is EXTREMELY simple. |
| 05:27.24 | servus | It just has build array, delete array, and set to bootable. |
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| 05:27.34 | flexy | alexrait1: whats the problem? |
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| 05:27.38 | burnt-toast | actually servus what type of card is it? |
| 05:28.13 | burnt-toast | is it an adaptec with hostraid? |
| 05:29.11 | alexrait1 | flexy, After pppoeconf confiration the connection works ok. But if I run (later) ppp start to connect again, then it loads some plugin, but I am not connected |
| 05:29.20 | alexrait1 | configuration* |
| 05:29.36 | Mithrndir | I've got debian sarge on an alpha. I'm attempting to create a software raid0 on a couple of partitions, however mdadm refuses because "/dev/sda5 does not appear to be an md device". I have tried adding the --force option to no avail. Any suggestions? |
| 05:29.59 | Mithrndir | The disk type that I'd normally set - linux md autodetect or somesuch - doesn't appear to be an option in fdisk, unless I'm missing something obvious. |
| 05:30.11 | burnt-toast | Mithrndir: try running mdrun (i think it is called) |
| 05:30.23 | burnt-toast | wait |
| 05:30.34 | caphuso | Mithrndir: fd Linux raid auto |
| 05:30.34 | burnt-toast | /dev/sda5 is NOT a valid MD device |
| 05:30.48 | burnt-toast | it should be /dev/md0 or the like |
| 05:31.10 | burnt-toast | what do you have at the top of your /etc/raidtab |
| 05:31.13 | servus | burnt-toast, Adaptec, but I don't know about hostraid. |
| 05:31.18 | Mithrndir | burnt-toast: |
| 05:31.19 | Mithrndir | alpha:~# mdadm --create --level=0 --raid-devices=2 --force /dev/sda5 /dev/sdb1 |
| 05:31.19 | Mithrndir | mdadm: /dev/sda5 does not appear to be an md device |
| 05:31.20 | jond3rd | is there anyway to generate/re-generate /var/lib/dpkg/status file ? |
| 05:31.26 | Mithrndir | That's the command and output it returns |
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| 05:31.33 | burnt-toast | servus: i have seen that if the hostraid is enabled or mandatory but not installed as a kernel driver |
| 05:31.34 | flexy | alexrait1: ummmh... /etc/init.d/ppp start is sufficient for me... |
| 05:31.45 | caphuso | jond3rd: /var/lib/dpkg/status-old and /var/backups/dpkg.status.* are backup files of it |
| 05:31.56 | alexrait1 | flexy, what could be the problem then.... |
| 05:31.57 | burnt-toast | servus wish i had more information to help you with but I never was the one to solve that problem :-) |
| 05:32.26 | servus | Shouldn't RAID be invisible to the OS>? |
| 05:32.27 | burnt-toast | Mithrndir: ok one sec... lemme ssh into my server :D |
| 05:32.33 | flexy | alexrait1: Don't really know... I suggest that you dive into /var/log directory... |
| 05:32.37 | jond3rd | caphuso: it looks like my status-old is also corrupted and I don't have anything in /var/backup but infodir.bak :( |
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| 05:32.54 | burnt-toast | servus: depends on the specific card model you have and wether or not it uses hostraid |
| 05:32.58 | caphuso | jond3rd: any other backups? |
| 05:33.05 | servus | 1200A... I don't see the term hostraid anywhere on the box. |
| 05:33.14 | burnt-toast | geesh |
| 05:33.23 | burnt-toast | 1200a... sorry... POS |
| 05:33.29 | burnt-toast | hmm |
| 05:33.29 | servus | It was expensive! |
| 05:33.33 | burnt-toast | yeah |
| 05:33.43 | burnt-toast | that is an IDE PCI raid card isnt it? |
| 05:33.57 | servus | Yes. |
| 05:34.00 | flexy | servus: I had the same peace of crap, or was it 2400A, never the less, peace of crap |
| 05:34.08 | burnt-toast | from my experience it is better to use software raid than that card |
| 05:34.15 | jond3rd | caphuso: I'm afraid I don't have any backup :( |
| 05:34.19 | flexy | oh, mine was 2400A... you need kernel support for it |
| 05:34.21 | burnt-toast | and i have used 3 of those cards before :-/ |
| 05:34.22 | servus | Software raid is absolutely useless. |
| 05:34.26 | burnt-toast | heh |
| 05:34.27 | caphuso | jond3rd: uhuh |
| 05:34.41 | caphuso | jond3rd: that's not good |
| 05:34.41 | flexy | burnt-toast: same experience here |
| 05:34.43 | burnt-toast | servus: why do you say that? |
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| 05:35.11 | burnt-toast | software raid on windows = crap, software raid on linux= pure goodness :-D |
| 05:35.13 | servus | burnt-toast, my last hardware failure caused the drive to not even boot up. |
| 05:35.25 | jond3rd | caphuso: yeah, I learn my lesson today :( |
| 05:35.26 | servus | That is, spin up. |
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| 05:35.38 | burnt-toast | my last hardware failure was an adaptec 1200A card :-( |
| 05:35.44 | servus | Great. |
| 05:35.56 | burnt-toast | that was 4 months ago lol |
| 05:36.05 | jond3rd | caphuso: good thing it's not on production yet, It's just I don't want to start over again if possible :( |
| 05:36.14 | Mithrndir | burnt-toast: ah crap. I fudged the command. I forgot "/dev/md0" after "--create" |
| 05:36.14 | burnt-toast | not all is lost though |
| 05:36.16 | flexy | the most expensive and useless part I've ever bought, adaptec ata raid 2400A |
| 05:36.18 | servus | "Two or more hard drives are grouped to appear as one single device to the host system while operating independently of one another" -- My manual. |
| 05:36.26 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 05:36.28 | burnt-toast | well |
| 05:36.29 | caphuso | jond3rd: there's something in the debian reference that might help you, let me hunt it down |
| 05:36.31 | servus | I think several people here are just trolling |
| 05:36.36 | burnt-toast | ill give you credit ... you at least read the manual |
| 05:36.37 | servus | I'll read up on my own, then. |
| 05:36.42 | burnt-toast | well |
| 05:36.47 | Rebecca | does anyone know a guide to adding a winxp boot option to grub? im having a little trouble |
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| 05:36.52 | burnt-toast | the card works well in non-raid mode |
| 05:37.01 | servus | You are not being helpful ; o) |
| 05:37.08 | burnt-toast | so if i had to use it... i would setup a software raid on it :D |
| 05:37.08 | caphuso | jond3rd: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/examples/debian-package-database-rebuild |
| 05:37.15 | burnt-toast | still would be the raid controller then :D |
| 05:37.21 | flexy | servus: yes we are... what raid lever are you planning on? |
| 05:37.44 | peterS | Rebecca: unfortunately the machine I've got that config on isn't booted up. and is 7 km from here. :/ |
| 05:37.44 | burnt-toast | flexy: the card supports 0,1 and 0+1 |
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| 05:37.49 | servus | Raid 1. |
| 05:37.49 | asuffield | hardware raid isn't really cost-justified any more. if you just want to ward off data loss, linux software raid is quite good enough. if you want the system to stay up, redundant servers are cheaper than raid controllers |
| 05:37.59 | servus | Raid 0 is useless. I don't care about speed. I care about not losing my data. |
| 05:37.59 | Rebecca | peterS: oh well :) |
| 05:38.07 | zomtec | Rebecca: do it this way: do NOT add winxp to grub, make a copy of grub dd if=/dev/hda (or whatever) of=/file/whichchanbereadinwindows bs=512 count=1 |
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| 05:38.18 | burnt-toast | asuffield: well sure hardware is justified in cost... if you buy the SCSI drives to go with it :-) |
| 05:38.20 | zomtec | then add a grub entry in boot.ini in windows |
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| 05:38.20 | flexy | servus: then, if things have not changed in a year, you will not know anything about failing drive |
| 05:38.26 | zomtec | thats the best way |
| 05:38.38 | servus | That sentence didn't make much sense, flexy |
| 05:38.43 | peterS | zomtec: that's a PITA if the windows drive C: is NTFS, though |
| 05:38.47 | maher | servus: make backups |
| 05:38.57 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 05:39.03 | asuffield | burnt-toast: you're better off putting the drives into two redundant servers than you are using a PCI raid device |
| 05:39.03 | servus | ... |
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| 05:39.17 | davidebian | Hi |
| 05:39.19 | burnt-toast | asuffield: hmm... depends on the application... i use both... |
| 05:39.26 | flexy | servus: I had raid5 on the 2400A, one drive failed, nothing showed up, cause the adaptec monitoring software would have needed some ancient kernel or something... So, when the second disk failed, I was screwed |
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| 05:39.32 | asuffield | burnt-toast: on cost alone it's a win |
| 05:39.35 | zomtec | then use a diskette for transfering the tiny file to the ntfs system |
| 05:39.38 | burnt-toast | flexy: ouchy |
| 05:39.43 | asuffield | servers are now cheap. raid controllers are not. |
| 05:39.45 | zomtec | what is PITA? |
| 05:39.48 | Rebecca | zomtec: why cant i use grub? |
| 05:40.01 | zomtec | you can, but I dont know |
| 05:40.05 | Rebecca | okay |
| 05:40.09 | burnt-toast | asuffield: i dont buy the crummy raid cards... i use the ones with hot-swap :-) cheap ones are a waste of money |
| 05:40.12 | servus | flexy, I have an LED hooked up to it. |
| 05:40.12 | jonz | is there an emergency image for debian? like a disc with fdisk, grub, etc |
| 05:40.13 | peterS | Rebecca: what he's saying is, the NT boot loader can load grub, rather than grub loading the NT boot loader |
| 05:40.21 | servus | It's supposed to go off when one drive fails. |
| 05:40.23 | jonz | (sarge that is) |
| 05:40.26 | zomtec | Windows: I am your only os, Thou shalt not have another os next to me. |
| 05:40.28 | flexy | servus: WHOAAA, a LED :) Well done adaptec :D |
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| 05:40.30 | asuffield | burnt-toast: which is why they're more expensive than buying another server |
| 05:40.36 | peterS | Rebecca: since they're both menu-driven, you really can do it either way |
| 05:40.37 | burnt-toast | flexy: lol |
| 05:40.40 | servus | They didn't provide the LED. |
| 05:40.51 | kang1 | want a file to be executed during boot-up, so place it in /etc/init.d and do a 'update-rc.d <filename> defaults'. doesn't seem to work. suggestion? |
| 05:41.08 | Mithrndir | burnt-toast: thanks for poking me in the right direction, I've got the array up now. |
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| 05:41.13 | Rebecca | the disk i have installed windows has a dead platter.. and it's what i would consider reliable.. so i would rather avoid booting off it |
| 05:41.24 | burnt-toast | asuffield: well adaptec hardware raid card + hard disks = $1,500 --- new server = $3,500 |
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| 05:41.25 | flexy | aaah, time for a cigarrette... |
| 05:41.29 | Rebecca | wouldnt* |
| 05:42.01 | burnt-toast | flexy: ill join ya :D (yay wireless) |
| 05:42.14 | asuffield | burnt-toast: fire your acquisitions department. they're skimming between $2000 and $3000 in kickbacks from the hardware supplier |
| 05:42.16 | maher | kang1: did it make symlinks in /etc/rc?.d |
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| 05:42.26 | burnt-toast | asuffield: lol |
| 05:42.33 | Rebecca | well, im gonna give something a try, back laters :) |
| 05:42.37 | asuffield | that price is just absurd |
| 05:42.38 | kang1 | maher: yes |
| 05:42.49 | asuffield | it's as if they were buying the damn things on the high street |
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| 05:43.19 | maher | kang1: is the file executable |
| 05:43.24 | peterS | Rebecca: yeah, I hear ya. the grub menu includes an example set of lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst for loading Windows or OS/2 |
| 05:43.24 | burnt-toast | not when 350+ web sites are hosted on that server |
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| 05:43.49 | peterS | ah, she left |
| 05:44.00 | kang1 | maher: i have set it to 755 before saving it in /etc/init.d |
| 05:44.19 | asuffield | burnt-toast: pissant stuff. three $500 servers will easily handle it, for a net saving of $lots |
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| 05:44.45 | burnt-toast | + additional electricity and management time / costs |
| 05:44.47 | zomtec | the only known female, and everyone struggels to help her :> |
| 05:45.05 | asuffield | have you hooked an ammeter up to a server lately? electricity costs are almost nothing |
| 05:45.11 | burnt-toast | i dont trust $500 servers |
| 05:45.18 | maher | kang1: is there one in rc2.d? |
| 05:45.18 | asuffield | buy better ones |
| 05:45.23 | burnt-toast | haha |
| 05:45.36 | asuffield | expensive hardware isn't more reliable, it's just that it has more gullible users |
| 05:45.37 | peterS | zomtec: not true, I know several |
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| 05:45.43 | kang1 | maher: you mean the symlink? |
| 05:45.45 | zomtec | cool |
| 05:45.46 | zomtec | the better |
| 05:45.49 | ledestin | was anyone successful with reducing spam to 1-2 letters a day? I'm using SpamAssassin + bogofilter and it just doesn't cut it :( |
| 05:45.49 | peterS | yeh |
| 05:45.54 | burnt-toast | asuffield: tell that to e-machine owners |
| 05:45.56 | asuffield | there is pretty much no relation between cost and reliability nowdays |
| 05:46.03 | Rebecca | well, that didnt work |
| 05:46.11 | maher | kang1: yes - does it work when you do /etc/rc2.d/whatever start |
| 05:46.12 | burnt-toast | asuffield: umm |
| 05:46.20 | doug | i'm fixin' to buy a rackmountable machine to get my co-lo on.. any suggestions on from whom to buy? money=tight |
| 05:46.40 | animall | Rebecca got a sec |
| 05:46.52 | Rebecca | animall: yeah |
| 05:46.55 | burnt-toast | asuffield: ok this will put an end to this conversation. I think we just have very fundamental differences in buying decisions.... |
| 05:47.03 | kang1 | maher: i'll go give it a try. what if it does, next to check? |
| 05:47.10 | peterS | Rebecca: oh, you reappeared. did you read the section in the grub manual with example configs? info '(grub)Configuration' - it has example lines for /boot/grub/menu.lst for chain-booting Windows or OS/2 |
| 05:47.16 | maher | kang1: dunno - then it should work |
| 05:47.31 | Rebecca | peterS: <guilty look> no |
| 05:47.36 | Rebecca | i will! |
| 05:47.44 | peterS | Rebecca: if you haven't already you need to install 'grub-doc' to get that manual (: |
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| 05:47.48 | kang1 | maher: thanks |
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| 05:48.23 | spdf | Hey fellas. I can't seem to get courier imap to authenticate anyone... I'm getting login failed (using squirrelmail, and telneting)... is there something I may have missed? |
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| 05:48.59 | edward_ | is there a heartbeat support channel.. ? |
| 05:49.06 | rg | hello all, how do i find which process is taking up the most load? |
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| 05:49.27 | peterS | rg: depends on how you define load. for CPU or memory use, 'top' |
| 05:49.39 | rg | peterS: cpu load |
| 05:50.24 | cafuego | spdf: /var/log/* |
| 05:50.34 | rg | thanks |
| 05:50.37 | burnt-toast | rg at command prompt you can try typing "top" (no quotes) |
| 05:50.58 | burnt-toast | oops didnt see peterS's post |
| 05:51.25 | rg | for some reason, my cpu usage is at 99 % after i went to a website with java |
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| 05:51.37 | rg | and i wanna kill the jvm.. but i can't find it anywhere |
| 05:51.51 | cat | rg do ps x |
| 05:51.53 | peterS | rg: it'll be part of your browser process |
| 05:51.56 | maher | rg: ps auxw | grep java |
| 05:52.19 | peterS | well, maybe. 'top' will tell, anyway |
| 05:52.20 | rg | nope, already tried that |
| 05:52.39 | rg | bah i don't wanna reboot, killing x didn't work |
| 05:52.41 | spdf | cafuego, syslog shows "imaplogin: connection...." followed by "imaplogin: LOGIN FAILED.." |
| 05:52.50 | cafuego | spdf: Check auth.log |
| 05:53.03 | burnt-toast | rg what does top show for top cpu usage?> |
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| 05:53.39 | JeffH | Is there any good software available for LInux to backup/manage data from a Windows XP machine? |
| 05:53.42 | rg | aaaah |
| 05:53.48 | rg | so, what does famd do? |
| 05:53.51 | zignig | cafuego: show us a trick then. |
| 05:53.58 | maher | rg: just restart it |
| 05:54.09 | maher | rg: /etc/ini.t/famd restart |
| 05:54.13 | spdf | cafuego, nothing shows up there |
| 05:54.23 | burnt-toast | "man famd" for explanation |
| 05:54.24 | rg | maher: thanks, famd was using 100% cpu |
| 05:55.14 | flexy | so, nfs root diskless problem here, diskless won't boot after nfs server filesystem changed from ext3 to reiser4 |
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| 05:55.45 | rg | maher: its actually installed in debian sid as /usr/sbin/famd |
| 05:55.45 | tga0 | any idea what I need to install to have spell checking in openoffice? |
| 05:55.55 | burnt-toast | are you using pxe for bootup? |
| 05:56.03 | burnt-toast | flexy are you using pxe for bootup? |
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| 05:56.26 | SJr|Tecra | I recently installed gigabit networking on my network, but it looks like my debian machine is only going to 100 Mbps, how can I check this? |
| 05:56.37 | caphuso | flexy: so don't use reiser4 |
| 05:56.50 | flexy | burnt-toast: I think I am, intel nic card is loading the stuff |
| 05:57.02 | burnt-toast | flexy that is most likely because of reiserfs support not being built into your kernel module |
| 05:57.02 | cafuego | flexy: Why did you downgrade to reiser4 anyway? |
| 05:57.14 | cafuego | burnt-toast: note 'nfs'. |
| 05:57.15 | animall | JeffH, i use cygwin with amanda installed |
| 05:57.22 | caphuso | what does the NIC have to do with reiser4 not being stable enough for serious use? |
| 05:57.25 | maher | rg: its a daemon - restart it |
| 05:57.49 | SJr|Tecra | basically what makes me suspect this is that if I take one machine that still has 100 Mbps, and ping -f -s another machine, it uses maybe about 18% somehow, If I get my debian machine with 1000 Gbps to ping, it roughly doubles the usage |
| 05:57.59 | rg | maher: i did, its back on.. i just wanna know why it went bonkers |
| 05:58.08 | maher | rg: cos its buggy |
| 05:58.17 | burnt-toast | rg: man famd |
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| 05:58.25 | flexy | burnt-toast: I have the stuff on the nfs servers kernel as built in, but do I need reiser4 support for the diskless too? |
| 05:58.30 | burnt-toast | at least that will tell you what the program does anyways |
| 05:58.31 | mwilson | So, no actual measurable reason, like testing the speed, or anything? |
| 05:58.33 | animall | SJr|Tecra, mii-tools package can tell you the speed and duplex |
| 05:58.54 | flexy | cafuego: downgrade? do you mean stability or what? |
| 05:59.00 | JeffH | thanks animall |
| 05:59.01 | burnt-toast | flexy: i would imagine so.. but that depends on how the filesystem "looks" to your kernel ram image |
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| 05:59.17 | rg | maher, burnt-toast: i'm wondering if i need it to be running all the time, that's all |
| 05:59.19 | mwilson | flexy: He's asking you why you thought you needed to use Reiser4. |
| 05:59.24 | animall | JeffH np, it works well enough i havent had to sleep with the dogs in about 3 years |
| 05:59.29 | burnt-toast | rg: most likely yes |
| 05:59.30 | animall | so i think its been going good |
| 05:59.31 | caphuso | reiser4 has known problems with NFS |
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| 05:59.38 | burnt-toast | rg ill check and see if i have it running here. |
| 05:59.46 | maher | rg: read man famd and /usr/share/doc/famd/* |
| 05:59.53 | SJr|Tecra | Animal is that the mii-diag package? |
| 06:00.09 | caphuso | so why would anyone decide to use it for doing exactly that? |
| 06:00.14 | cafuego | reiser4 has known problems with everything, i think. |
| 06:00.15 | animall | yep |
| 06:00.20 | zignig | cafuego: wow , you are magic ! |
| 06:00.21 | burnt-toast | rg yes i do have famd running on my installation so i would assume that it is part of a normal functioning system |
| 06:00.33 | mwilson | caphuso: Because version churn is important to cluebies? |
| 06:00.36 | rg | burnt-toast: thanks for letting me know |
| 06:00.46 | rg | maher: i did read the man page, doesn't mean i understand it though |
| 06:00.49 | animall | the program from mii-diag package is called mii-tool |
| 06:00.50 | burnt-toast | rg: no problem |
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| 06:00.52 | flexy | burnt-toast: the intel nic is starting the boot, then tftpd is serving the kernel image and kernel starts to boot, mounts the root ro, everything seems fine, but the boot stops, nothing useful in the logs... |
| 06:00.58 | animall | Rebecca, ? |
| 06:01.00 | animall | did that work? |
| 06:01.15 | flexy | cafuego: well, I thought that I might gain performance with reiser4 |
| 06:01.16 | Rebecca | nope |
| 06:01.20 | burnt-toast | flexy: does it stop with a kernel panic "cannot find root filesystem" or the like? |
| 06:01.20 | animall | awe man |
| 06:01.22 | JeffH | cool. I'm tired of having to manually backup my data. |
| 06:01.28 | animall | what was the error back? |
| 06:01.29 | Rebecca | "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" |
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| 06:01.48 | animall | hurh |
| 06:01.57 | flexy | cafuego: and did not know about the nfs issues... Well, I could try to move the nfs diskless root directory to xfs partition, perhaps that would do the trick then? |
| 06:01.59 | burnt-toast | Rebecca: I had that error out of a properly configured Grub install once before with a windows XP partition |
| 06:02.03 | peterS | Rebecca: 07 is NTFS. huh. |
| 06:02.24 | animall | yeah that's ntfs |
| 06:02.28 | animall | but still should boot |
| 06:02.35 | SJr|Tecra | Hey animall, mii-diag says it doesn't support gigabit, but atleast it states that it is running at 100 Mbps |
| 06:02.40 | Rebecca | hmmm |
| 06:02.45 | burnt-toast | Rebecca: Had to repair the partition table with the recovery console from windows then re-install grub |
| 06:02.59 | burnt-toast | it was a microsoft problem if you ask me |
| 06:03.04 | animall | SJr|Tecra, what does ifconfig <int> show? |
| 06:03.05 | flexy | burnt-toast: no, it says: nfs_stat_to_errno: bad nfs status return value: 45 Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. |
| 06:03.13 | flexy | burnt-toast: and passing init does not help |
| 06:03.27 | SJr|Tecra | animall what parameter is it? |
| 06:03.30 | burnt-toast | flexy: i would use ext3 for that then... |
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| 06:03.35 | animall | txqueuelen:1000 |
| 06:03.41 | animall | woops |
| 06:03.43 | animall | hang on |
| 06:03.44 | SJr|Tecra | that says 1000 |
| 06:03.55 | SJr|Tecra | it says that on my 10 Mbps card too |
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| 06:03.55 | SJr|Tecra | :P |
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| 06:04.00 | burnt-toast | flexy: not to rain on your parade :-p |
| 06:04.03 | peterS | Rebecca: can you post menu.lst to #flood? this seems odd. grep '^[^#]' /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 06:04.04 | Rebecca | i disconnected my linux drive when i installed winxp, so it shouldnt have messed anything up |
| 06:04.15 | flexy | burnt-toast: well, I'll try first with moving the diskless root directory to different partition (with xfs) |
| 06:04.16 | Rebecca | ok |
| 06:04.47 | JeffH | animall: do you use AMANDA to backup to tape, or hard drive? |
| 06:05.05 | burnt-toast | peterS: I did have the same problem with a properly setup Grub install before... windows thought it was still disk 1 and something in the partition table was hosed up pretty bad |
| 06:05.18 | rg | maher, burnt-toast: thanks for your help today |
| 06:05.27 | burnt-toast | rg no problem |
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| 06:05.56 | burnt-toast | flexy: also see if you can manually mount that nfs share with another functioning machine from across the network |
| 06:05.58 | animall | JeffH, remote to tape |
| 06:06.00 | Rebecca | peterS: done :) |
| 06:06.23 | animall | SJr|Tecra, sorry blood is seeping to my stomach, ate too much earlier |
| 06:06.24 | JeffH | hm.. I don't have a tape backup.. so that might not work for me.. but I'll look at it. |
| 06:06.25 | peterS | Rebecca: got it |
| 06:06.26 | flexy | burnt-toast: yes, I can do that |
| 06:06.31 | SJr|Tecra | okay thats |
| 06:06.38 | SJr|Tecra | errr |
| 06:06.39 | SJr|Tecra | thats okay |
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| 06:06.59 | cafuego | burnt-toast: No, the problem is that reiser4 and nfs are not friends. |
| 06:07.00 | maher | JeffH: i use dirvish - if you can mount the win drives via samba you could do that |
| 06:07.03 | burnt-toast | Just to see what trickery is needed to get it to mount manually might tell you if your kernel is missing some modules or something |
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| 06:07.12 | SJr|Tecra | Oh hey, maher, I use dirvish to? You on the mailing lisnt? |
| 06:07.14 | burnt-toast | cafuego: I believe you... |
| 06:07.26 | cafuego | burnt-toast: famous last words ;-) |
| 06:07.31 | burnt-toast | cafuego: which should be proven if he cant mount it manually |
| 06:07.34 | maher | SJr|Tecra: its always worked for me so i never read the ml |
| 06:07.39 | JeffH | I'd prefer something that had a windows client and talked to the server over the network rather than needing samba.. hmm |
| 06:07.44 | burnt-toast | cafuego: lol |
| 06:07.55 | SJr|Tecra | jeffH you don't need to mount the shares on linux |
| 06:07.59 | SJr|Tecra | you can just use an rsync client |
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| 06:08.04 | SJr|Tecra | and server for windows |
| 06:08.07 | flexy | cafuego: I believe that too, from your mouth (or keyboard) :) I'm in the process of moving the nfs root to xfs, I'll try that |
| 06:08.33 | burnt-toast | JeffH: look into winscp |
| 06:08.49 | JeffH | burnt-toast: will do. |
| 06:09.03 | flexy | cafuego: If that solves the problem, then perhaps I'll do some repartitioning, to get some space for the diskless root and format it ext3 |
| 06:09.12 | burnt-toast | JeffH: is a windows program that allows you to access your linux hard disk pretty easily from across the network |
| 06:09.30 | JeffH | cool. |
| 06:09.51 | burnt-toast | JeffH: dunno if thats the direction of travel that you want... but you can read / write files pretty easily though it |
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| 06:09.53 | flexy | cafuego: easy to do in this stage, I still have perfect backups (actually the old system is still intact on the old hard disk) |
| 06:09.56 | JeffH | I'd love to see a backup system that used cvs or something to also provide backup revision control. |
| 06:10.07 | burnt-toast | and no samba setup involved :D |
| 06:10.15 | burnt-toast | that would be cool |
| 06:10.21 | burnt-toast | well |
| 06:10.41 | maher | JeffH: some people use cvs/svn for /home |
| 06:10.44 | SJr|Tecra | Anyone know how to check the linkspeed and duplex (that supports 1000 Mbps connections) |
| 06:10.48 | burnt-toast | i have a perl script I modified to backup my linux box onto a samba share that works really well |
| 06:10.53 | JeffH | burnt: I'm not really sure either.. all I know is I want something that will seemlessly and invisibly backup my windows data to my linux box. |
| 06:10.58 | SJr|Tecra | jeffH dirvish lets you do that |
| 06:10.58 | flexy | SJr|Tecra: from the logs, perhaps? |
| 06:11.02 | burnt-toast | i have good revisions too |
| 06:11.02 | SJr|Tecra | hmmmm |
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| 06:11.30 | maher | JeffH: bacula? never used it myself |
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| 06:11.43 | flexy | SJr|Tecra: /var/log/dmesg shows following line in my case: e1000: eth1: e1000_watchdog_task: NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex |
| 06:11.43 | burnt-toast | JeffH: lol one option is to replace your windows box with the linux box and keep your data there lol |
| 06:12.10 | doug | cafuego: $200 a month reasonable for 1MByte/sec colo? |
| 06:12.26 | burnt-toast | doug is that unlimited usage? |
| 06:12.30 | doug | yes |
| 06:12.40 | JeffH | I'm gonna check out dirvish.. thanks for the info .. later. |
| 06:12.49 | SJr|Tecra | no problem |
| 06:12.50 | SJr|Tecra | e1000: eth1 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex |
| 06:13.00 | SJr|Tecra | flexy any idea how to fix that? |
| 06:13.05 | burnt-toast | thats not too bad (for prices here anyways) although at that price you could afford to run DSL to your house |
| 06:13.14 | burnt-toast | for cheaper |
| 06:13.25 | maher | SJr|Tecra: is it plugged in to a Gigabit switch? |
| 06:13.29 | flexy | SJr|Tecra: is the other end capable of faster speed? |
| 06:13.31 | burnt-toast | SJr|Tecra: what are you plugging this into? |
| 06:13.38 | SJr|Tecra | Linksys Gigabit switch |
| 06:13.39 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 06:13.40 | flexy | :) |
| 06:13.42 | JeffH | burnt: Not an option.. I have a couple of apps that just don't have suitable alternatives (in my opinion) for Linux. |
| 06:14.03 | burnt-toast | JeffH: was meaning to be funny.... guess it doesnt work through the keyboard lol |
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| 06:14.16 | JeffH | ooh.. sorry. haha |
| 06:14.19 | doug | i got 1Mb/384Kb dsl for 50/month in NYC .. so for four times that cash i get 20 times the bandwidth (by my math at least) |
| 06:14.23 | flexy | JeffH: I used that excuse also for couple of years... then I just stopped using those apps alltogether and ditched windows :D |
| 06:14.23 | animall | SJr|Tecra, managed or unmanaged switch? |
| 06:14.28 | burnt-toast | SJr|Tecra: is your cabling cat5e or better? |
| 06:14.33 | SJr|Tecra | unmanaged |
| 06:14.36 | SJr|Tecra | and yes cat5e |
| 06:14.43 | animall | what is the length of the run? |
| 06:14.44 | SJr|Tecra | I would just think if the cabling was poor |
| 06:14.49 | SJr|Tecra | about 3 feet |
| 06:14.52 | servus | Okay, so setting up a software raid now, and sitting on the broken shards of a 1200A. |
| 06:14.58 | SJr|Tecra | that it would still negioate at 1000 but then just be slow |
| 06:15.04 | peterS | poor servus. I feel for you, I really do |
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| 06:15.14 | burnt-toast | servus: :-( |
| 06:15.17 | Crasp_ | morning |
| 06:15.17 | JeffH | flexy: I'm not going to stop using quicken.. my entire financial history is in there for the most part.. and don't point me to gnu cash.. it PALES in comparison. |
| 06:15.21 | Desiac | i have a cpl thin clients connecting into my X server, I want to be able to shadow/monitor them, both for security and assistance. anyone know what programs id need to use, only small flash, so dont really want to install vncserver onto the thins |
| 06:15.32 | flexy | SJr|Tecra: it might be too short, that is the answer I got from intel when I was tangling with the same problem, changed the cable longer and it started working |
| 06:15.35 | burnt-toast | yeah i havent met any good accounting software for linux yet |
| 06:15.49 | servus | I partitioned each drive as big 250GB blocks of type 'raid', then I created an MD device. I then created a 200MB /boot partition in the md device, and the rest of the space is marked 'unusable'. What gives? |
| 06:16.08 | JeffH | anyway.. I gotta sleep.. thanks again. |
| 06:16.22 | flexy | JeffH: no, I won't point to that. You're welcome to keep using windows. on what fs is it? |
| 06:16.34 | peterS | servus: you're partitioning /dev/md0? I didn't know you could do that at all |
| 06:16.35 | burnt-toast | servus: are you trying to do a bootable raid? |
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| 06:16.41 | JeffH | burnt: it's unfortunate isn't it? |
| 06:16.42 | doug | anybody recommend a good rackmount vendor? |
| 06:16.42 | burnt-toast | peterS: yup |
| 06:16.44 | animall | JeffH, wine |
| 06:16.58 | animall | i got quicken installed on linux with wine |
| 06:17.08 | JeffH | animall: last I checked wine didn't run Quciken 2005 Premier. |
| 06:17.09 | cat | cool, |
| 06:17.09 | peterS | burnt-toast: the Linux kernel can deal with nested partition tables? |
| 06:17.10 | servus | petemc, Yes. burnt-toast, Yes. |
| 06:17.13 | flexy | servus: you want a direct answer? I give it nevertheless, Adaptec. ;) |
| 06:17.15 | animall | woops |
| 06:17.19 | animall | using older version |
| 06:17.21 | Rebecca | peterS, animall: it's working, thanks for you help :) |
| 06:17.24 | servus | Huh, flexy? |
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| 06:17.33 | burnt-toast | servus: ok what are you stuck on at this point? |
| 06:17.33 | peterS | Rebecca: hey, cool. I had another suggestion ready if the last didn't go |
| 06:17.38 | JeffH | nice idea though. ;) |
| 06:17.46 | Rebecca | peterS: hehe, thanks :) |
| 06:17.52 | animall | excellent |
| 06:17.54 | Crasp | animall: for a second i thought you wrote: i installed linux while i was drunk, therefore i was quicker ;) |
| 06:18.01 | flexy | servus: sell the card, make a md raid and you'll be happier in the long run. believe me and the rest ;) |
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| 06:18.08 | Crasp | it's too early :) |
| 06:18.15 | animall | niters all |
| 06:18.18 | Crasp | i'll come back here in a few hours when i'm awake |
| 06:18.20 | Crasp | bye |
| 06:18.20 | servus | Well, I want to mirror all my partitions, not just one. |
| 06:18.23 | animall | Crasp, its true |
| 06:18.29 | flexy | JeffH: what's your fs in the evil OS? |
| 06:18.34 | animall | ive installed drunk |
| 06:18.35 | servus | Do I have to manually create an MD device for each partition? (I'm only doing / and /boot) |
| 06:18.35 | JeffH | also have a program that lets me scan images and convert them to pdf files. there might be a linux equivalent but haven't searched for one. |
| 06:18.35 | peterS | Rebecca: specifically in the chainloader section, 'root (hd1,0)' shouldn't be necessary - 'rootnoverify (hd1,0)' takes its place. but if it already works, don't mess with it (: |
| 06:18.42 | animall | and sometimes it seemed quicker |
| 06:18.47 | JeffH | flexy: ntfs |
| 06:18.53 | maher | JeffH: convert |
| 06:18.55 | burnt-toast | servus: well there are a couple of considerations to be made for a root-bootable software raid |
| 06:19.12 | flexy | JeffH: then suggesting mondo as backup method is not a good idea... |
| 06:19.15 | JeffH | maher: convert? |
| 06:19.24 | burnt-toast | servus: you will need to make or use a kernel capable of booting to a raid device |
| 06:19.35 | Crasp | JeffH: well you _could_ install openoffice.org paste the image in it and export it as .pdf :) |
| 06:19.41 | servus | Ughhh. |
| 06:19.42 | maher | JeffH: it converts different file formats - what format do you scan them as? |
| 06:19.48 | servus | I can't make a kernel before I install the OS! |
| 06:19.54 | burnt-toast | servus: really not too difficult to setup (aside from woefully out of date documentation) |
| 06:20.02 | SJr|Tecra | not with that attidute you won't servus |
| 06:20.03 | flexy | servus: then install the kernel on non raid disk |
| 06:20.10 | burnt-toast | servus: you can install the OS now and make it raid later |
| 06:20.12 | servus | Can I make a single-drive /boot, and a RAID-1 /? |
| 06:20.14 | flexy | servus: the OS I meant |
| 06:20.17 | servus | SJr|Tecra, "...". |
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| 06:20.23 | SJr|Tecra | :P |
| 06:20.27 | JeffH | I scan the document and it plops onto my hard drive as pdf when I use this program. |
| 06:20.35 | burnt-toast | servus: actually if you make the one drive what you want now you leave the second empty |
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| 06:20.48 | servus | I hate to say, Fedora Core's software RAID setup system is lightyears ahead of this. |
| 06:20.53 | Crasp | JeffH: well that's pretty stupid software you're using then |
| 06:20.54 | burnt-toast | and with software raid you setup the rest after the system is working the way you want |
| 06:21.00 | Crasp | JeffH: output by a scanner is not merely ready for pdf |
| 06:21.01 | JeffH | also lets me stack multiple pages into a single document and order the pages. |
| 06:21.24 | burnt-toast | servus: are you attempting this with sarge or woody? |
| 06:21.28 | JeffH | How is it stupid software if it lets me do what I want? |
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| 06:21.51 | JeffH | I don't care about an intermediate file type.. I just want to scan to pdf. |
| 06:21.52 | Crasp | JeffH: well i like to ctrl-f through my pdf's |
| 06:22.02 | Crasp | JeffH: your method makes it impossible, but ok, perhaps you don't need it |
| 06:22.07 | burnt-toast | servus: and yes you can make a non raid /boot and a raid-1 / |
| 06:22.22 | Xsquared | wtf? [One(~^[freegir@85.97.92.124)] http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 06:22.27 | burnt-toast | software raid is extremely flexible |
| 06:22.32 | maher | JeffH: well xsane can save as ps so you could use ps2pdf |
| 06:22.33 | Xsquared | can u kill it? |
| 06:22.33 | JeffH | Crasp: what do you mean ctrl-f through your pdfs? |
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| 06:22.46 | Crasp | JeffH: that i can search for specific text |
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| 06:23.08 | Crasp | but therefore it needs to be text in the first place :) |
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| 06:23.16 | JeffH | maher: like I said.. I just haven't researched the alternatives. |
| 06:23.21 | flexy | cafuego: your info was right, the diskless is booting fine now from xfs partition on the nfs server |
| 06:23.34 | JeffH | Craps: this software lets you do OCR on the pdf files. |
| 06:23.46 | Crasp | JeffH: well you never told us that :) |
| 06:23.50 | servus | burnt-toast, Sarge. |
| 06:24.02 | servus | I chose to make a /dev/md0 /boot, and a /dev/md1 / |
| 06:24.06 | burnt-toast | servus: ok good... not gonna happen on the woody one |
| 06:24.11 | servus | 2.6.8. |
| 06:24.20 | Crasp | JeffH: i had my too old scanner working once on linux, but i don't know if there is any ocr software at all |
| 06:24.21 | burnt-toast | november edition then ok |
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| 06:24.26 | servus | May. |
| 06:24.29 | servus | Errr, March I mean |
| 06:24.36 | burnt-toast | duh! |
| 06:24.38 | servus | March 2005. Sorry for the spam. |
| 06:24.42 | Xsquared | how can i make it so that i don't have to keep typing in my wireless network key everytime i want to get onto the network? |
| 06:24.46 | burnt-toast | was thinking of the one before that i downloaded |
| 06:24.50 | Crasp | JeffH: i don't think there's something like scan-ocr-export-to-pdf-in-one app for linux |
| 06:24.57 | maher | Xsquared: add it to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:25.01 | JeffH | hmm.. I think when I get time I need to rebuild my server.. need to change the e-mail server I use.. qmail doesn't seem to get updated very often. |
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| 06:25.15 | Crasp | JeffH: the only way i can think of is scan, ocr (search on google), export to pdf with openoffice |
| 06:25.20 | Xsquared | maher: i did |
| 06:25.20 | servus | Hope it works alright. I'm just using the motherboard's IDE controller now... Each drive is a master on its own IDE channel. |
| 06:25.29 | maher | Crasp: JeffH xsane has an ocr button - but i never used it |
| 06:25.30 | burnt-toast | should be fine |
| 06:25.30 | Xsquared | maher: i added key <blah> |
| 06:25.37 | burnt-toast | ok |
| 06:25.37 | servus | I meant works alright as in speed-wise. |
| 06:25.43 | burnt-toast | are you mid-installation at the moment |
| 06:25.45 | mwilson | Why in the world would you want or need something that would scan, ocr, and export to PDF? How stupid is that? |
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| 06:26.02 | maher | Xsquared: wireless_key |
| 06:26.06 | Crasp | JeffH: qmail doesn't get updates cause the author thinks it's flawless and it's not gpl :) |
| 06:26.12 | Xsquared | maher: ohh, ok, thanks |
| 06:26.16 | mwilson | If you're sending it to PDF, whyinhell do you think you need to OCR it first? |
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| 06:26.30 | Crasp | mwilson: to be able to search through your documents? |
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| 06:26.33 | JeffH | Crisp: I really couldn't care that its not gpl. |
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| 06:26.34 | servus | A PDF of nothing but an image. Great. |
| 06:26.36 | maher | mwilson: so you can do text search in the pdf - stupid |
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| 06:26.44 | burnt-toast | servus: i would personally do a non-raid installation ... get everything i wanted on there and then setup software raid after it is working properly |
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| 06:26.48 | Crasp | JeffH: well that's one of the reasons why there is never an update ;) |
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| 06:27.01 | mwilson | If I want to text search, then whyinhell am I making it into a PDF after OCR-ing it? |
| 06:27.03 | servus | burnt-toast, I'm afraid I'll get everything set up how I like it, then destroy it all when I try to raid-ize it. |
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| 06:27.15 | mwilson | It's the combination that's idiotic. |
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| 06:27.19 | JeffH | I'm having a bitch of a time getting spam assassin working with qmail. |
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| 06:27.35 | maher | mwilson: so you can send it to someone so it will print the same... |
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| 06:27.39 | Crasp | JeffH: with postfix it's fairly easy |
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| 06:27.43 | burnt-toast | servus: well... if you are pretty good about checking your typing it can be done later at a low risk to your data |
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| 06:27.59 | servus | I've reinstalled Debian 10 times today... |
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| 06:28.05 | burnt-toast | servus: lol |
| 06:28.06 | servus | It's getting old *grin* |
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| 06:28.20 | Crasp | mwilson: there are several reasons why you do or don't want that, first of all it's crossplatform as in, it looks the same whether you open it on linux, windoze or mac. |
| 06:28.25 | zignig | JeffH: qmail bites , but have a look at qmail rocks. |
| 06:28.27 | servus | Especially since this server doesn't have a CD drive, and I have to perch a spare one on top of the chassis... |
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| 06:28.36 | JeffH | Crisp: yeah, I've heard. hence my decision to change mail servers when I get a chance.. but 'getting a chance' probably isn't gioing to happen for another month and a half. |
| 06:28.36 | cafuego | !djbsmite JeffH |
| 06:28.37 | zignig | JeffH: or consider using a decent email server. |
| 06:28.37 | burnt-toast | servus: ive setup 3 software raid arrays... havent lost any data but it was kind of a pain in the ass at first |
| 06:28.39 | mwilson | Crasp: So is an ASCII text file. |
| 06:28.46 | Crasp | JeffH: could you please stop calling me crisp? |
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| 06:28.57 | JeffH | oops.. sorry. |
| 06:28.57 | servus | I go through hard drives like mad. This time I figured I'd do a RAID-1 /and/ get dedicated cooling for both drives. |
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| 06:29.06 | flexy | servus: I've installed debian 3 times in 5 years. Everytime on a different machine :) |
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| 06:29.15 | servus | Kernel-smp is for multiprocessor machines, right? |
| 06:29.20 | Coutal | hey, can anyone help me generate a modeline for my machine? |
| 06:29.20 | cafuego | servus: psst: stop buying samsung drives ;-) |
| 06:29.22 | servus | I get a lot of hardware failure. |
| 06:29.25 | servus | Western Digital Caviar. |
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| 06:29.39 | mwilson | Crasp: Somehow I seriously doubt that if you take $RANDOM_SHEET_OF_PAPER, scan it, OCR it, and PDF the result, that it's going to look the same. |
| 06:29.44 | benjamindees | servus, raid just tends to kill disks for me; I do better without it |
| 06:29.45 | Crasp | mwilson: well i can imagine you don't want ascii for a sensible layout |
| 06:29.45 | burnt-toast | servus: make sure the model number has JB in it instead of BB |
| 06:29.46 | servus | I probably want 2.6.8-686... for my Athlon Sempron |
| 06:29.47 | cafuego | That's odd, they're supposed to be good. |
| 06:29.51 | flexy | cafuego: or IBM drives... Or are they hitachi nowadays... |
| 06:29.55 | servus | It's a JB. |
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| 06:29.59 | cafuego | servus: No, you don't. You want a -k7 kernel. |
| 06:30.00 | servus | I wish I could FIND a BB. |
| 06:30.07 | burnt-toast | why? |
| 06:30.07 | servus | Do you have a BB? I will buy it from you!!! |
| 06:30.14 | cafuego | servus: I have a few JBs, they're fine. |
| 06:30.17 | servus | Because I need a spare I/O board. |
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| 06:30.20 | burnt-toast | BB have 1 year warranty and JB have 3 year |
| 06:30.23 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 06:30.27 | burnt-toast | what size? |
| 06:30.31 | Crasp | mwilson: that is not my problem ;) |
| 06:30.31 | burnt-toast | i have 3 or 4 i think |
| 06:30.36 | servus | I need a first revision WD Caviar 250GB 7200RPM 8MB Buffer. |
| 06:30.40 | Tuttle | hi, the volume levels in Gnome are not preserved between reboots. each morning I need to set several controls again and again. how to let sarge do this for me? |
| 06:30.40 | servus | FIRST revision. |
| 06:30.41 | burnt-toast | hmm |
| 06:30.44 | burnt-toast | with BB? |
| 06:30.47 | peterS | servus: yes, -smp is for multiprocessor machines. it's also for taking advantage of hyperthreading on pentium 4 series chips |
| 06:30.57 | Crasp | mwilson: i just answered on what he wanted to have done, i'm not gonna judge whether it makes sense or not |
| 06:30.59 | cafuego | Why do you reboot every morning? |
| 06:31.00 | servus | No, JB... |
| 06:31.01 | Crasp | mwilson: he might have his own reasons |
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| 06:31.09 | burnt-toast | i may have one of those... |
| 06:31.09 | servus | JB but it takes 0.75A/0.90A... |
| 06:31.19 | servus | The new ones take 0.65A/0.90A. |
| 06:31.19 | burnt-toast | have you tried newer? |
| 06:31.22 | cafuego | servus: Why? Because a sempton is a k7 processor. |
| 06:31.24 | benjamindees | peterS, I heard smp wasn't required for ht anymore |
| 06:31.31 | servus | Yes. No good. They completely redesigned the I/O board. |
| 06:31.35 | burnt-toast | dang |
| 06:31.37 | peterS | benjamindees: if that's true, it would be pretty bizarre |
| 06:31.42 | Crasp | mwilson: i know i hate it if i ask people a question and they go like... "Why do you want to do it that way?" AS IF that's any of their business |
| 06:31.45 | burnt-toast | i may have an old one... but that doesnt do you any good lol |
| 06:31.47 | servus | If you send me a picture of your drive's I/O board and I like what I see, I'll buy it. |
| 06:31.53 | Tuttle | cafuego: intereseting question :-) the power drain is a concern, and the noise |
| 06:31.55 | servus | I don't need the drive, just the circuitboard. |
| 06:32.00 | burnt-toast | hmm |
| 06:32.07 | burnt-toast | its in a server lol |
| 06:32.09 | benjamindees | peterS, yeah, I thought so too, but they said it was a separate option |
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| 06:32.11 | servus | I'll buy it :P |
| 06:32.14 | cafuego | Tuttle: <heh> |
| 06:32.19 | servus | I bought one on March 20 from eBay, but the guy is defrauding me... |
| 06:32.24 | burnt-toast | that sucks |
| 06:32.29 | burnt-toast | hate ppl like that |
| 06:32.40 | burnt-toast | oh crap its 1:30 am here |
| 06:32.47 | servus | There is no -k7 kernel. Just ^.*-386.*$ and ^.*-686-.*$ |
| 06:32.51 | burnt-toast | I gotta fly real soon |
| 06:33.05 | servus | I'd send the drive off to IOMega if I could afford that, cafuego |
| 06:33.11 | burnt-toast | servus: there is a -k7 kernel... |
| 06:33.12 | cafuego | servus: What debian revision are you running? |
| 06:33.21 | servus | This is Sarge March 2005. |
| 06:33.30 | servus | Installation started with the `linux26` option. |
| 06:33.31 | peterS | servus: really? I've got kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 installed here. I thought it was in sarge |
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| 06:33.37 | burnt-toast | servus: are you using the netinst cd? |
| 06:33.55 | burnt-toast | or the full sarge installation cd? |
| 06:33.58 | servus | No. Newest full-ISO. |
| 06:33.59 | cafuego | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7(-smp) |
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| 06:34.01 | Arafangion | Anyone know of any decent italian to english dictionaries for debian? |
| 06:34.12 | Arafangion | (Just a regular word-to-word one) |
| 06:34.15 | servus | I guess I could do 386 and recompile... Won't 686 work though? |
| 06:34.15 | cafuego | servus: Install first, THEN install decent kernel. |
| 06:34.21 | burnt-toast | servus: i would like it install 386 and upgrade later |
| 06:34.23 | cafuego | servus: yes, 686 will work. |
| 06:34.25 | peterS | Arafangion: apt-cache search italian english dict |
| 06:34.33 | burnt-toast | like ... let * |
| 06:34.33 | servus | Blah, 386 and I'll compile my own. |
| 06:34.43 | Arafangion | peterS: Didn't come up with much, last I checked. |
| 06:34.58 | peterS | servus: certainly 686 will work. a k7 compile is only a minor optimisation on top of a 686 compile |
| 06:35.04 | Arafangion | peterS: My mistake. |
| 06:35.10 | Arafangion | peterS: There is a decent result :) |
| 06:35.17 | burnt-toast | on my laptop here I compiled it specifically for my p-IIIm processor .. i thought that was pretty cool |
| 06:35.21 | peterS | Arafangion: yeah (: |
| 06:35.27 | benjamindees | dict-freedict-eng-ita |
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| 06:35.52 | servus | It's booting! |
| 06:35.57 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 06:36.12 | Arafangion | Hmm, appears that there's a few discouraged users who have been joining ##debian |
| 06:36.19 | servus | Slackware was so much easier to install ^^ |
| 06:36.34 | Xsquared | servus: but debian is more hardcore |
| 06:36.47 | Tuttle | anybody knows how to preserve volume levels between Gnome restarts in Sarge? |
| 06:37.05 | servus | Right :P |
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| 06:37.18 | burnt-toast | servus: well i would have to say that i have taken a liking to debian so far over: slackware, RH, FC, Mandrake, SUSE, KNOPPIX, and yellow dog |
| 06:37.21 | C17H21NO4 | Tuttle: /etc/default/alsa |
| 06:37.37 | burnt-toast | knoppix still gets plenty of play though |
| 06:37.43 | C17H21NO4 | Tuttle: change never save to always save |
| 06:37.44 | servus | Debian is great once you install it. |
| 06:37.47 | burnt-toast | since it runs from cd >D |
| 06:37.49 | Xsquared | Tuttle: gnome doesn't preserve the values |
| 06:37.50 | servus | I've used Debian for years... Always hated to install it. |
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| 06:38.01 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 06:38.07 | servus | It's the opposite of Redhat. Easy to install, painful to use. |
| 06:38.12 | Xsquared | Tuttle: and gnome is terrible... its a memory hog. |
| 06:38.13 | Tuttle | C17H21NO4: It seems there is no such file. |
| 06:38.31 | burnt-toast | i have always liked installing windows... just never liked running it... or re-installing it |
| 06:38.34 | C17H21NO4 | Tuttle: Are you not using alsa |
| 06:38.39 | Tuttle | Xsquared: I guess you're happy user of the competiting product :) |
| 06:38.55 | burnt-toast | i take that back |
| 06:39.00 | burnt-toast | installing it sucks too |
| 06:39.18 | Tuttle | C17H21NO4: I cannot remember, but I think I was not presented with this choose at the system install time... |
| 06:39.18 | benjamindees | installing redhat? nah, kickstart is nice |
| 06:39.21 | burnt-toast | at least after installing debian i am left with a system that only needs maybe 2 drivers installed... |
| 06:39.21 | servus | Eeeek, Debian installer put me into aptitude! Quit! Quit! Quit! rm `find / -name "*aptitude*"` |
| 06:39.24 | Arafangion | burnt-toast: I find that linux is harder to install than windows, but *applications* on windows are harder to install and setup than linux. |
| 06:39.37 | Arafangion | where "linux" is "any decent distro". |
| 06:39.52 | benjamindees | burnt-toast, don't forget java, flash, etc |
| 06:39.56 | C17H21NO4 | Tuttle: what sound module is loaded? |
| 06:39.57 | burnt-toast | at least under debian (apt) or even some RPM systems |
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| 06:40.15 | Xsquared | Tuttle: you should be using alsa |
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| 06:40.22 | C17H21NO4 | Tuttle: You might be using it without the alsa stuff installed |
| 06:40.31 | kang1 | maher, you are still around? |
| 06:40.38 | burnt-toast | benjamindees: yeah but that doesnt come on windows though and the installation for those is about as painful for linux as for windows |
| 06:40.48 | maher | kang1: yup |
| 06:40.49 | flexy | servus: no wonder you're having problems, if you use debian like that... there are tools to remove programs, other than rm... |
| 06:41.02 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 06:41.04 | burnt-toast | haha |
| 06:41.07 | Xsquared | rofl |
| 06:41.22 | benjamindees | burnt-toast, oh you're talking about win vs linux, not deb vs rh |
| 06:41.30 | burnt-toast | yeah... |
| 06:41.33 | burnt-toast | i dont like rpm |
| 06:41.45 | burnt-toast | or the messed up init script directory |
| 06:41.45 | flexy | but now, I'll enjoy diskless htpc with mythtv showing latest farscape episode... |
| 06:41.47 | kang1 | maher: i checked thru' things, the links to the file is present from rc1.d to rc6.d. |
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| 06:42.09 | burnt-toast | ok its not early AM here |
| 06:42.12 | burnt-toast | time to fly |
| 06:42.27 | burnt-toast | good night all... |
| 06:42.32 | maher | jo |
| 06:42.41 | maher | oops |
| 06:43.00 | maher | kang1: and it doesn't work? |
| 06:43.00 | kang1 | when i go to /etc/rc2.d to execute init_mbmon,which is the name of the executable file, the rturn is "command not found". |
| 06:43.05 | burnt-toast | oh servus do a google search for root + boot + grub (or lilo) |
| 06:43.14 | kneet | how to get xmms playlist to open a directory that starts with . ? Doesn't list - and if you manually enter it the file browser closes :( |
| 06:43.14 | burnt-toast | for more infor |
| 06:43.26 | maher | kang1: try using the full path to the command |
| 06:43.27 | burnt-toast | otherwise if you want I can send u my e-mail addy |
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| 06:43.55 | kang1 | maher: what would that be? |
| 06:44.11 | maher | /etc/rc2.d/whatever |
| 06:45.00 | streuner | kneet: ./ are hidden dirs, so xmms is right, just cp them to anoter dir? |
| 06:45.18 | kneet | streuner, well - it wasn't my idea putting mp3 files in a .dir in the first place :) |
| 06:45.22 | streuner | s/anoter/another/ |
| 06:45.43 | kneet | It's an nfs mount to another machine - I guess I'll just copy the files locally |
| 06:45.56 | streuner | kneet: xmms didn't that too ;-) |
| 06:46.00 | servus | burnt-toast, Huh? I already know about Grub. |
| 06:46.14 | servus | flexy, I was joking about the rm, and I don't have problems using Debian |
| 06:46.16 | kang1 | in /etc/rc2.d there is a S20init_mbmon, which is a link to the relevant file init_mbmon. I tried using the link as well as the real name. same result. |
| 06:46.33 | burnt-toast | servus: no to get it setup for bootable root partition |
| 06:47.15 | maher | kang1: what exactly do you type |
| 06:47.21 | burnt-toast | if you search for it as i have it typed there you will get some good how-to's on how to setup a bootable raided / setup |
| 06:47.46 | liable | kang1: is the script executable? |
| 06:48.02 | kang1 | maher: cd /etc/rc2.d, S20init_mbmon |
| 06:48.13 | jbAU_ | I have an issue with MySQL and ODBC, I can't seem to get it to work at all |
| 06:48.20 | maher | kang1: type /etc/rc2.d/S20init_mbmon |
| 06:48.37 | Guerin | init.d scripts sometimes need full path |
| 06:49.00 | kang1 | maher: end with a 'start'? |
| 06:49.03 | Guerin | and all executables need to be called with at least a relative path unless they're in $PATH, which . never should be |
| 06:49.17 | Tuttle | Who can remember me why am I using GNOME when I forcily switched to Sawfish anyway and don't like most of the dependencies Gnome required to install? |
| 06:49.18 | maher | kang1: dunno - does your script want that? |
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| 06:49.27 | k-man_ | anyone know of a guide to setting up a vpn between windows machines using a linux box as the vpn gateway? |
| 06:49.41 | kang1 | maher: no, so don't need. |
| 06:50.04 | servus | burnt-toast, I already set it up |
| 06:50.08 | maher | kang1: it may well be called with that at boot - so it might be wise to check it doesn't choke onit |
| 06:50.11 | servus | I booted fine off /dev/md0 |
| 06:50.16 | Xsquared | Tuttle: use a box, everything else is a memory hog. |
| 06:50.42 | servus | Oh, how will the system notify me when an error is produced on the software RAID device? |
| 06:50.58 | burnt-toast | servus: oh ok lol... good then im gonna go to bed :D |
| 06:51.10 | kang1 | maher: i use 'defaults'. |
| 06:51.15 | servus | Night burnt-toast. Thanks : o) |
| 06:51.20 | maher | kang1: ok - well did it work? |
| 06:51.45 | kang1 | maher: got to retry later. thanks. |
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| 06:52.21 | burnt-toast | np |
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| 06:52.47 | kang1 | right now i can executing gkrellm from the console. how to make it a KDE menu item to be included in the panel? Suggestion, anyone? |
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| 06:54.39 | kang1 | from root, how to switch to a non-root user? |
| 06:54.48 | dondelelcaro | kang1: su - foouser; |
| 06:55.17 | dondelelcaro | kang1: man su; to figure out what the -; is doing and whehter or not you really want it. (possibly not) |
| 06:55.37 | kang1 | thanks. no need to go thro end-session? |
| 06:55.39 | nailbiter | are any of the Debian apache2 maintainers present? i'd like to confirm that i'm not hallucinating about a bug in the Sarge libapr-0 build .. |
| 06:55.57 | tarzeau | nailbiter: try #debian-devel |
| 06:56.15 | dondelelcaro | nailbiter: which but? |
| 06:56.18 | dondelelcaro | s/but/bug/ |
| 06:56.29 | LandSlide | under sarge... how do i change the default window manager? |
| 06:56.38 | nailbiter | dondelelcaro: well, apr_off_t is 32-bits wide. :) |
| 06:56.39 | LandSlide | it's currently gnome as I installed it last.. but i want to return to kde. |
| 06:56.44 | dondelelcaro | LandSlide: there are a bunch of ways to change it |
| 06:56.46 | peterS | LandSlide: update-alternatives x-window-manager |
| 06:57.01 | mwilson | Why do people ever mention alternatives? |
| 06:57.11 | peterS | LandSlide: you're probably talking about the session manager, though |
| 06:57.12 | mwilson | It's anything but an answer to that question. |
| 06:57.21 | jm_ | yeah session manager comes first |
| 06:57.33 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: eh? |
| 06:57.38 | jm_ | assuming display manager actually uses default Debian session |
| 06:57.48 | nailbiter | dondelelcaro: given that it's used internally by Apache as a file offset type, it'll probably mean weird results when serving files larger than 4GB |
| 06:57.49 | LandSlide | ok thanks.. yeah that's what i'm talking about. |
| 06:58.02 | LandSlide | i've actually had both running with vncserver on different displays.. very cool |
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| 06:58.07 | stouset | landSlide: If you have KDE (or another environment installed) just choose your session from the (X|K|G)DM login screen |
| 06:58.14 | dondelelcaro | nailbiter: ah... probably best to just email the maintainer |
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| 06:58.26 | dondelelcaro | !maint apache2 |
| 06:58.28 | dpkg | apache2: Debian Apache Maintainers <debian-apache@lists.debian.org> |
| 06:58.34 | peterS | helpful |
| 06:58.34 | LandSlide | stouset: does that integrate with vncserver? |
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| 06:58.47 | nailbiter | dondelelcaro: ok. danke. :) |
| 06:58.47 | LandSlide | my machine is a pizzabox server. ;) |
| 06:59.06 | peterS | dondelelcaro: any maint query that ends up @lists.debian.org or @alioth should be retried as an 'uploaders:' query on the source package (: |
| 06:59.54 | kang1 | if i started chat as non-root and then changed to root, would i be chatting as root? |
| 06:59.55 | dondelelcaro | peterS: heh. Well, I kind of think the list is really the best place to look... |
| 07:00.04 | peterS | well, probably |
| 07:00.17 | peterS | kang1: no |
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| 07:00.22 | dondelelcaro | although, a separate uploaders query may be a good idea |
| 07:00.38 | LandSlide | peters: I tried update-alternatives x-session-manager it doesn't work. it looks like it accepts --set or --install or something like that. |
| 07:00.51 | peterS | LandSlide: yeah, you have to rtfm on update-alternatives |
| 07:01.07 | directhex | LandSlide, --config |
| 07:01.09 | benjamindees | kang1, su starts a new shell |
| 07:01.10 | peterS | LandSlide: or just 'ln -fs' manually. the symlink is /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
| 07:01.23 | kang1 | ok, thanks. |
| 07:01.34 | directhex | LandSlide, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 07:02.33 | kang1 | right now i start a program 'a' from the console. how to make it a KDE menu item to be included in the panel? Suggestion, anyone? |
| 07:02.49 | Guerin | kang1: #kde; #debian-kde |
| 07:03.00 | Guerin | kang1: or apt-get install menu; update-menus |
| 07:03.02 | servus | How will the system notify me when an error is produced on the software RAID device? |
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| 07:03.32 | kang1 | Guerin, those rooms are quite dead. |
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| 07:03.47 | Guerin | kang1: patience is a virtue |
| 07:04.03 | kang1 | or a sin. |
| 07:04.07 | Guerin | nope |
| 07:04.08 | benjamindees | servus, there will be a message in the logs, and on boot iirc, and /proc/mdstat |
| 07:04.21 | Guerin | sloth is a sin; patience is most definitely a virtue |
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| 07:04.25 | directhex | servus, email to root, usually |
| 07:04.34 | mwilson | Guerin: In other words, his time is more important than yours, so it's OK to bother you. |
| 07:05.03 | Guerin | mwilson: well, my time is less important than ANYONE's |
| 07:05.07 | Guerin | naturally :) |
| 07:05.27 | directhex | go make me a cake then |
| 07:05.29 | servus | Right... so no message. |
| 07:05.31 | directhex | i like cake |
| 07:05.33 | servus | Email to root? That might owkr. |
| 07:06.04 | directhex | to work! --> |
| 07:06.22 | Guerin | mmm |
| 07:06.23 | Guerin | cake |
| 07:06.38 | Guerin | sadly, I'm unable to procure an oven or baking equipment, currently |
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| 07:07.03 | benjamindees | solicit a hw donation |
| 07:07.56 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:08.00 | Tuttle | After installing alsa-base and alsa-utils, the programs from the packages keep fatal-ending with: No such device... I also run snddevices and alsaconf, with no positive result. Please help. |
| 07:08.00 | Guerin | I need a new motherboard |
| 07:08.04 | Guerin | another one |
| 07:08.18 | zignig | Guerin: you've broken it again. bad Guerin |
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| 07:08.19 | Guerin | the poor guys at the office here |
| 07:08.34 | boyracerr | problems doing an apt-get |
| 07:08.36 | Guerin | they thought I was hacking the mainframe when I booted ubuntu on one of the office pcs to test it |
| 07:08.45 | peterS | hehehe |
| 07:08.47 | Guerin | zignig: that's not much different to what my wife said |
| 07:08.50 | streuner | haha |
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| 07:09.01 | boyracerr | apt-get -t testing install php4 |
| 07:09.10 | giskard_ | someone with a toshiba a80-111? |
| 07:09.16 | MidgetSpy | what other distros use debian's apt? |
| 07:09.32 | boyracerr | Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-20_i386.deb Bad header line |
| 07:09.37 | Guerin | MidgetSpy: none of them - they all use their own apt |
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| 07:09.48 | giskard_ | MidgetSpy, afaik fedora renamed in apt-rpm |
| 07:09.51 | Guerin | boyracerr: change mirrors, using apt-setup |
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| 07:10.09 | Guerin | giskard_: they also rewrote huge tracts of it and made it slow and buggy |
| 07:10.12 | benjamindees | MidgetSpy, Knoppix, Ubuntu, Mepis, Fedora, Connectiva, Lindow |
| 07:10.21 | MidgetSpy | benjamindees: thanks |
| 07:10.31 | giskard_ | benjamindees, all debian-custom |
| 07:10.33 | Guerin | zignig: are you calling my wife a nag |
| 07:10.34 | Guerin | ? |
| 07:10.40 | boyracerr | used a different mirror by changing the sources.list and doing apt-get update, but same result |
| 07:10.40 | zignig | Guerin: no. |
| 07:10.42 | benjamindees | MidgetSpy, for varying degrees of "use" |
| 07:10.47 | boyracerr | will try one more |
| 07:10.50 | zignig | Guerin: why is she ? |
| 07:11.13 | Guerin | zignig: now you ARE sayign she is |
| 07:11.21 | Guerin | zignig: I don't know why... |
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| 07:12.12 | antonio_ | hola |
| 07:12.18 | MidgetSpy | benjamindees: understood, thanks. |
| 07:12.26 | zignig | Guerin: no offence intended , just being silly. |
| 07:12.31 | Guerin | animall: hola. Do you want #debian-es ? |
| 07:12.47 | Guerin | zignig: if I were in a bar with you now, I'd consider not buying you another beer |
| 07:12.54 | Guerin | at least until you'd bought me one |
| 07:13.16 | zignig | !berr Guerin |
| 07:13.20 | zignig | !beer Guerin |
| 07:13.25 | zignig | tada! |
| 07:13.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:13.36 | Guerin | dpkg is on your side |
| 07:13.44 | tuxyAtitude | is it #fish channel ? ;) |
| 07:14.26 | Guerin | is what? |
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| 07:16.22 | benjamindees | anybody know of any good documents on how Debian is built? an overview? |
| 07:16.43 | giskard_ | benjamindees, what you intend with how debian is built? |
| 07:17.10 | benjamindees | I mean how packages are built, by the project |
| 07:17.56 | LandSlide | directhex: thanks that worked fine. |
| 07:18.06 | giskard_ | benjamindees, www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 07:18.07 | giskard_ | section doc |
| 07:18.14 | giskard_ | maintainer guide |
| 07:18.19 | Guerin | benjamindees: yeah, read the doc. short answer: buildds |
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| 07:23.08 | Cancel\fw | hello. how could be counted value for the field Installed-size: of deb-control file? I don't understand which type of size should be there... bytes? apparent-size? blocks? |
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| 07:23.30 | giskard_ | so, someone with a toshiba a80 laptop is here? |
| 07:23.38 | peterS | Cancel\fw: kilobytes |
| 07:23.42 | SJr|TecraX | oeuoeu |
| 07:24.07 | jerome | hum, can't remember the name of these new gnome pdf reader, any guess ? |
| 07:24.12 | jerome | not gpdf |
| 07:24.21 | jerome | some meaningless name |
| 07:24.23 | mwilson | poppler, isn't it? |
| 07:24.31 | mwilson | It's crap, I remember that. |
| 07:24.39 | peterS | jerome: gnome-gv? guess that's not particularly new |
| 07:24.44 | gpm | ggv |
| 07:24.50 | gpm | is gnomeghostview |
| 07:24.56 | gpm | they're looking more and more like kde |
| 07:25.02 | gpm | gpdf |
| 07:25.05 | mwilson | Hardly. |
| 07:25.10 | gpm | naming wise |
| 07:25.10 | streuner | acroread? GTK based? |
| 07:25.11 | gpm | i mean |
| 07:25.18 | SJr|TecraX | I have a problem, I recently purchased a gigabit switch and Intel Pro 1000 MT Desktop card, for my linux server. The problem is that even tho the windows machine can connect at 1000 Mbps, the Linux machine, only 'seems' to connect. I can't get an accurate reading |
| 07:25.23 | Cancel\fw | ok, dpkg -p xlibs | grep Installed-Size shows me 2668. When I count all files from this package I always get different value |
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| 07:25.23 | SJr|TecraX | but doing some tests seem show that it is infact only going at 100\ |
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| 07:25.41 | jerome | peterS, gpm, mwilson : not one of these :) |
| 07:25.51 | peterS | SJr|TecraX: done the rounds yet with mii-tool? |
| 07:25.58 | gpm | jerome: one of what? |
| 07:26.12 | gpm | jerome: ooh. nevermind |
| 07:26.18 | SJr|TecraX | If by mii-tool you mean mii-diag then yes, but it only seems to support 100 MBps |
| 07:26.18 | peterS | SJr|TecraX: or ethtool? |
| 07:26.21 | gpm | jerome: gpdf is the default gnome pdf viewer |
| 07:26.24 | mwilson | jerome: That's about all there is. |
| 07:26.32 | Cancel\fw | is it physycal or logical size? |
| 07:26.33 | SJr|TecraX | ethtool doesn't seem to work properly either |
| 07:26.41 | SJr | IF I try |
| 07:26.44 | mwilson | xpdf makes gpdf look sick. |
| 07:26.49 | SJr | ethtool -s eth0 speed 10 |
| 07:26.52 | MidgetSpy | gpdf is retarded |
| 07:26.54 | SJr | it doesn't bother setting it to 10 Mbps |
| 07:26.54 | gpm | yeah, i actually prefer xpdf and gv |
| 07:27.05 | SJr | and when the kernel says the link type is 100 Mbps, it reported 1000 |
| 07:27.06 | gpm | even though i use gnome |
| 07:27.52 | nailbiter | Cancel\fw: it's hard to predict how much space the package's files will take up on disk, because filesystems differ in the way they pack data on disk |
| 07:28.12 | Arafangion | gpm: Yes, "ports" to Gnome tend to be of lower quality, imho. |
| 07:28.19 | Cancel\fw | nailbiter, I understand this and I'm asking because of this fact... |
| 07:28.19 | Arafangion | gpm: Particularly Galeon. |
| 07:28.33 | SJr | mii-diag seems to be able to set the speed |
| 07:28.37 | SJr | but doesn't support 1000 Mbps |
| 07:29.01 | Cancel\fw | I'dont understand which value should I provide in deb package |
| 07:29.19 | gpm | Arafangion: ugh...i hate how mozilla-browser is a dependency for gnome-desktop-environment just because of epiphany! |
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| 07:29.27 | peterS | SJr: when I said mii-tool I actually meant mii-tool. I haven't tried it but it's yet another tool for this sort of thing |
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| 07:29.42 | SJr | peterS whats the debian package for it |
| 07:29.43 | mwilson | So don't install g-d-e. It's just a meta-package. |
| 07:29.49 | SJr | someone said it was mii-diag |
| 07:29.51 | peterS | SJr: net-tools |
| 07:30.10 | jerome | peterS, gpm, mwilson : evince : http://www.gnome.org/projects/evince/ |
| 07:30.19 | SJr | peterS and the command line? |
| 07:30.19 | Cancel\fw | there are two different ways to count size: du -s and du -sb |
| 07:30.53 | peterS | SJr: mii-tool --help |
| 07:30.53 | nailbiter | Cancel\fw: isn't the size of the package computed for you by debhelper anyway? |
| 07:30.53 | SJr | oh |
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| 07:30.53 | SJr | mii-tool |
| 07:30.53 | SJr | I'm an idiot |
| 07:30.53 | SJr | hmmmm |
| 07:30.53 | mwilson | Oh, so Gnome is going to clone Apple's Preview.app, then. |
| 07:30.59 | SJr | it looks like it doesn't suport 1000 Mbps either |
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| 07:31.22 | gpm | preview does pdfs? |
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| 07:31.27 | peterS | SJr: oh, indeed. I detect a common theme. maybe gigabit doesn't use the MII transceiver interface at all? |
| 07:31.33 | mwilson | gpm: I'd hope so. |
| 07:31.34 | Cancel\fw | no, I'm building packages manually. withou any improvements tools |
| 07:31.37 | SJr | hmmmmm |
| 07:31.40 | vortek | any one know how to find kirc apt-cache search does not find it |
| 07:31.51 | mwilson | gpm: PDF being what the whole Quartz rendering model is based around. |
| 07:31.54 | skip_ | is there a way to resize root and home partitions without destroying them? Will Qparted leave the data intact? |
| 07:31.55 | nailbiter | Cancel\fw: ok, looks like dpkg-gencontrol uses 'du -ks' to compute package size. |
| 07:32.04 | gpm | mwilson: i don't know that much about it. i was just curious. |
| 07:32.12 | streuner | vortek: what version of debian? |
| 07:32.24 | SJr | vortek are you sure you don't mean kvirc? |
| 07:32.32 | nailbiter | skip_: it can do that for some filesystems. i believe ext2/ext3 and reiserfs are non-destructively resizeable |
| 07:32.34 | peterS | skip_: it should, but don't use it on live partitions. in the case of root that means booting from a CD or something; in the case of /home you might be able to just unmount it |
| 07:32.40 | vortek | SJr: kirc kde irc |
| 07:32.41 | SJr | peterS suggestions? |
| 07:32.50 | vortek | dpkg: kirc |
| 07:32.50 | dpkg | [kirc] a irc client for kde written by blarf |
| 07:33.04 | streuner | vortek: woody, sarge, sid? |
| 07:33.04 | SJr | runn this |
| 07:33.06 | SJr | apt-cache search kde | grep irc |
| 07:33.07 | Cancel\fw | nailbiter, thx |
| 07:33.11 | skip_ | thanks people...how about running Knoppix or something and doing it that way? |
| 07:33.12 | vortek | unstable /sid |
| 07:33.12 | SJr | ksirc - KDE IRC client |
| 07:33.14 | benjamindees | vortek, kdenetwork maybe? |
| 07:33.18 | SJr | its name ksirc |
| 07:33.21 | SJr | named |
| 07:33.21 | vortek | ksirc THAnxs |
| 07:33.27 | peterS | SJr: I haven't played in gigabit space much. so beyond mii-tool, mii-diag, ethtool, I don't know what to suggest. see if the e1000 module has any module parameters to force this sort of thing. 'modinfo e1000' to find out |
| 07:33.41 | vortek | I'd gladly use kvirc but there web site says there is a theme section to add thems and the version I have does not have this |
| 07:33.49 | skip_ | is there anything I need to do to 'prep' the disk beforehand? |
| 07:34.03 | peterS | SJr: ahh, 'modprobe e1000 Speed=1000 Duplex=1' or similar, looks like |
| 07:34.26 | Arafangion | peterS: Why should gigabit tools be different to 100mbit tools? |
| 07:34.46 | peterS | Arafangion: I don't know. but it does appear that mii-tool doesn't support setting 1000 Mbit speeds |
| 07:34.56 | nailbiter | skip_: just follow peterS's suggestion and boot from a rescue/live CD, then run parted from there. |
| 07:35.17 | skip_ | ok, thanks |
| 07:35.33 | streuner | vortek: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
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| 07:35.49 | streuner | vortek: (only the version) |
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| 07:36.43 | SJr | hmmmm |
| 07:36.48 | vortek | one sec |
| 07:36.53 | SJr | peterS that seems to have had an impact |
| 07:36.58 | SJr | still somthing doesn't feel right |
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| 07:37.28 | vortek | streuner : why do you want to know ? |
| 07:37.38 | vortek | streuner: 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 07:37.47 | peterS | SJr: maybe you'd have to set AutoNeg=0 as well. dunno. |
| 07:37.54 | peterS | SJr: I'm just reading 'modinfo e1000' output here |
| 07:38.01 | vortek | streuner : ??? |
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| 07:38.17 | streuner | vortek: well, what do you running, sarge or sid? |
| 07:38.52 | vortek | streuner : sid |
| 07:38.55 | SJr | oic how you are reading this |
| 07:39.17 | debian | !online |
| 07:39.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, online is The term refers to anything that's on the Internet, as in "I've got this great online magazine for you to check out at www.ugeek.com." |
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| 07:40.10 | SJr | negative |
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| 07:41.34 | servus | Yays, KDE is up. S3 drivers won't work for my S3 card though (UniChrome) |
| 07:41.38 | vortek | streuner : you gona root me >:) |
| 07:41.41 | vortek | h0h0 |
| 07:41.53 | streuner | vortek: heh? |
| 07:42.12 | peterS | servus: VIA released new open source unichrome drivers just the other day |
| 07:42.17 | Guerin | well, hurrah |
| 07:42.47 | Guerin | it seems that the particular combination of motherboard and cd drive in the computer I was given from work just won't do linux |
| 07:43.08 | Guerin | I tested an identical machine here, and got identical results |
| 07:43.18 | vortek | streuner : just wondering why your so curious is all :) |
| 07:43.24 | streuner | vortek: well, you running the version in debian, which usually developers of debian use |
| 07:43.29 | vortek | Ahh word |
| 07:43.37 | vortek | I've honestly never had problems with unstable |
| 07:43.44 | streuner | vortek: and you didn't tell me, what version you are running... |
| 07:43.49 | vortek | ahh word :) |
| 07:43.53 | Guerin | vortek: you haven't been using it long, then |
| 07:43.57 | Guerin | and don't say word |
| 07:43.59 | servus | peterS, It's not important... Gonna put a GEForce TI-4800 in it soon. |
| 07:44.01 | Guerin | say 'emacs' |
| 07:44.04 | vortek | Iv'e been using it sense the installer was beta |
| 07:44.05 | vortek | :) |
| 07:44.06 | servus | So I can do development work on it. |
| 07:44.12 | vortek | before hamm |
| 07:44.36 | SJr | Anyone think upgrading my kernel might get it to go faster? |
| 07:44.36 | vortek | Started using unstable around potatoe |
| 07:44.44 | Guerin | SJr: almost certainly not |
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| 07:45.07 | vortek | SJr: if you optimize it and shrink it down and use the writh optimizations. Well in my case that works on a desktop |
| 07:45.09 | Arafangion | Guerin: Unless he's using 2.2 ;) |
| 07:45.15 | Arafangion | SJr: Your not using the 2.2 kernel? :) |
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| 07:45.20 | vortek | writh=wright; |
| 07:45.21 | SJr | 2.6.6 |
| 07:45.27 | SJr | and I mean to get my network card to go faster |
| 07:45.30 | benjamindees | SJr, how fast is it going now? |
| 07:45.32 | vortek | oh that |
| 07:45.34 | Guerin | SJr: well, it'll make your box more secure |
| 07:45.37 | ta[i]nted | how do i 'apt-get remove "package"' without removing any other dependencies |
| 07:45.47 | vortek | hrm KSIRC or kvirc for sexsie looks hrms |
| 07:45.53 | Guerin | or perhaps 'less insecure' is the more correct term |
| 07:46.03 | Guerin | k*irc are both shite |
| 07:46.16 | vortek | Guerin : Whats something that is sexsie then ? |
| 07:46.17 | SJr | ta[i]nted hmmmm it will only remove packages that it is a dependancy for, it won't remove that packages dependencies |
| 07:46.26 | Guerin | vortek: irssi-text |
| 07:46.29 | vortek | Guerin : with a gui |
| 07:46.30 | SJr | vortek, wine + mirc |
| 07:46.36 | vortek | lol |
| 07:46.37 | peterS | ta[i]nted: or you can use 'dpkg --remove' |
| 07:46.44 | Guerin | vortek: konsole -e irssi-text |
| 07:46.47 | vortek | I got major themes mirc for wintendo when I boot to it. :) |
| 07:46.49 | ta[i]nted | damn it peters |
| 07:46.52 | ta[i]nted | ur everywhere |
| 07:46.54 | Zta | Where does /proc/sys/kernel/hostname get its contents from? |
| 07:46.57 | peterS | yes. yes, I am. |
| 07:47.02 | Zta | I get a hostname I didn't ask for. |
| 07:47.11 | Zta | I could do hostname -F /etc/hostname during init, but I'd still like to know, how that proc value is set. |
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| 07:47.13 | vortek | Guerin : I just like like a gui for when im on 3 dif networks and in over 24 channels typing /window switch gets old you know ;) |
| 07:47.15 | peterS | Zta: some init script sets it from /etc/hostname |
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| 07:47.29 | Guerin | bah, humbug |
| 07:47.44 | ta[i]nted | peterS actually i'm using fedora's apt package |
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| 07:47.53 | ta[i]nted | peterS and it doesn't come with dpkg |
| 07:47.55 | Guerin | vortek: the only remotely usable gui irc client I've found is xchat |
| 07:47.55 | peterS | ta[i]nted: then this is a pretty poor place to get answers (: |
| 07:48.03 | peterS | ta[i]nted: this channel is called #debian |
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| 07:48.11 | ta[i]nted | well i just figured it's a debian thing (apt) |
| 07:48.12 | vortek | Guerin : yeah I gues I'll just have to learn to theme it :) |
| 07:48.21 | peterS | ta[i]nted: I gave you an answer that works on debian. shrug |
| 07:48.32 | Guerin | taifun: fedora's apt is as different from debian's as chevy's v8s are from ford's |
| 07:48.34 | ta[i]nted | thinking it would be some parameter for apt-get |
| 07:48.43 | peterS | ta[i]nted: I suppose you can figure out the rpm equivalent. I don't know how to use rpm. |
| 07:48.54 | benjamindees | ta[i]nted, apt-rpm is a Connectiva thing, actually |
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| 07:49.24 | ta[i]nted | peterS see u in #fedora |
| 07:49.25 | ta[i]nted | lol |
| 07:49.27 | benjamindees | ta[i]nted, and it's rpm -e pkgname |
| 07:49.47 | peterS | ta[i]nted: I'm actually *not* everywhere (: like, I'm not in #fedora |
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| 07:49.55 | ta[i]nted | oh |
| 07:50.17 | priest | isn't there AES support in debians 2.4.19 kernel? |
| 07:50.49 | kang1 | if a want to send a screenshot to someone in the chat, how do i do it? |
| 07:50.53 | streuner | why does someone use an such old kernel? |
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| 07:51.15 | jetx | :::streuner::: |
| 07:51.26 | priest | streuner: because it's the latest kernel in debian stable |
| 07:51.28 | streuner | jetx: hi |
| 07:51.35 | Guerin | kang1: email |
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| 07:51.44 | Guerin | kang1: or better yet, put it on a website |
| 07:51.57 | streuner | priest: the latest in stable is 2.2.20 or 2.4.1 |
| 07:51.59 | streuner | priest: the latest in stable is 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 |
| 07:52.02 | Capkirk | when editing /etc/resolv.conf does one need to reboot machine to make the changes take effect? |
| 07:52.07 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 07:52.15 | jetx | no kirk |
| 07:52.16 | Guerin | Capkirk: that's a good one, thanks |
| 07:52.16 | kang1 | Guerin: no chat command for sending file? |
| 07:52.22 | nailbiter | priest: are you looking for encrypted block device support? |
| 07:52.27 | Guerin | haven't laughed that much since... about an hour ago |
| 07:52.39 | benjamindees | streuner, that kernel has security holes, better to upgrade to 2.4.27 at backports.org |
| 07:52.41 | Guerin | !dcc |
| 07:52.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, dcc is a protocol used for sending files on IRC. <asuffield> I suggest burning all people who offer dcc connections, or The Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse or DCC is a cooperative, distributed system intended to detect "bulk" mail or mail sent to many people. http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ |
| 07:52.56 | priest | nailbiter: no..only aes-support..i'm trying to get openvpn working with aes |
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| 07:53.16 | Guerin | kang1: you can use dcc, but I don't know how to do it since it's only useful for trading child porn anyhow |
| 07:53.30 | Capkirk | Guerin: who? |
| 07:53.37 | nailbiter | priest: in that case, you might be able to get by with the old int-crypto patches, at kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/crypto/v2.4/testing |
| 07:53.52 | Guerin | Capkirk: you |
| 07:53.54 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you forget the W4R3Z |
| 07:54.01 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: oh, mah bayd |
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| 07:54.27 | priest | nailbiter: hmm..in that case i think i use a newer kernel instead. |
| 07:54.32 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: anyway, aren't all warez distributed over*ldonkey and bittorrent nowadays? |
| 07:54.33 | Capkirk | Guerin: ok im funny without knowing it? :) |
| 07:54.58 | Guerin | Capkirk: you only have to reboot a unix machine to change its kernel or its hardware |
| 07:55.09 | Capkirk | Guerin: linux is not unix :) |
| 07:55.19 | dondelelcaro | (my father and aunt are older school... for him, it was a pile o' punch cards.) |
| 07:55.23 | dondelelcaro | s/him/them/ |
| 07:55.25 | Guerin | Capkirk: it's close enough that that holds true :) |
| 07:55.26 | nailbiter | priest: i'd recommend a 2.6.x kernel. :) but if you have to stick with the debian 2.4.19 kernel for some reason, it's still possible to build modular crypto support and then load that into your existing kernel |
| 07:55.35 | Arafangion | Capkirk: If you have physical access, NOTHING will stop a person from changing the kernel if he really wants to. |
| 07:55.38 | Capkirk | Guerin: i get the picture are there any commands i need to run then? |
| 07:55.45 | kang1 | Guerin: why do you say that. I was thinking of using it for troubleshooting, allowing the troubleshooter to see what appears on the screen of the troubled in quick time. |
| 07:56.00 | priest | nailbiter: does it matter which 2.6.x? or should i take the latest? |
| 07:56.00 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: heh. backpack of punchcards for a text-adventure which takes an hour to finish |
| 07:56.19 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: pretty much... |
| 07:56.20 | nailbiter | priest: i'd recommend the latest, mainly because it's the cumulation of all previous security and bug fixes :) |
| 07:56.21 | vortek | ahh xchat is workable I gues with transperency. |
| 07:56.23 | Guerin | kang1: put your screenshots on a webserver |
| 07:56.31 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: but damnit, it was cool |
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| 07:56.54 | nailbiter | Capkirk: resolv.conf takes effect at _program_startup_. so you just need to restart the applications/services you're interested in |
| 07:56.55 | Guerin | Capkirk: just work as normal. If something seems to be using the oold settings, kill it and rerun it. |
| 07:57.01 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: haha |
| 07:57.03 | Guerin | quality |
| 07:57.05 | Capkirk | Guerin: the thing is i can do a namelookup with dig to a specific nameserver using dig or host but if i replace my currently nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf with the one that works with dig/host it i cant do any lookups? |
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| 07:57.17 | dondelelcaro | no one here probably remembers ancient Borderbund games with red decoder ring copy protection |
| 07:57.35 | kang1 | Guerin: that is a slow process. |
| 07:57.39 | peterS | kang1: don't listen to the naysayers. unless you're behind a NAT box of some sort, DCC works just fine and is usually much less trouble than finding a web server to upload to |
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| 07:57.51 | nailbiter | dondelelcaro: LucasArts games used to have them, too. :) |
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| 07:57.59 | Capkirk | anyone care to comment on my problem then? |
| 07:58.05 | kang1 | peterS: NAT? |
| 07:58.05 | peterS | kang1: if you *are* behind a NAT box, and it doesn't mangle your IRC packets specifically to make DCC work, then DCC won't work |
| 07:58.05 | dondelelcaro | nailbiter: oh, right... I remember that |
| 07:58.22 | peterS | kang1: what in modern parlance is called a "router" as in "I got this router with my cable modem" |
| 07:58.25 | nailbiter | Capkirk: try pasting your resolv.conf to #flood. there might be a problem with the syntax |
| 07:58.46 | kang1 | peterS:ok, thanks. |
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| 07:59.22 | peterS | kang1: it should be noted that the NAT problem is only for the person *offering* the DCC connection. NAT at the other end doesn't interfere |
| 07:59.29 | kang1 | peterS: where to find out more about DCC? |
| 07:59.50 | Capkirk | nailbiter: i will |
| 07:59.53 | alexscott | google kang1 |
| 07:59.56 | peterS | kang1: your IRC client documentation, I suppose. in irssi, the command to offer a file via DCC is "/dcc send username /your/filename" |
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| 08:00.14 | alexscott | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.29 | peterS | kang1: and in irssi, the way to accept a file via dcc is "/dcc get username" |
| 08:00.34 | Capkirk | nailbiter: here we go |
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| 08:00.51 | Capkirk | nailbiter: done |
| 08:01.17 | kang1 | ok guys, thanks for all the info. |
| 08:01.48 | nailbiter | Capkirk: looks like both nameservers are up. does 'ping google.com' work? |
| 08:01.49 | peterS | np |
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| 08:02.50 | Capkirk | nailbiter: yes |
| 08:03.13 | benjamindees | what program is unable to resolve ? |
| 08:03.35 | Capkirk | nailbiter: the strange thing i can do dig @194.239.134.83 www.backports.org |
| 08:03.43 | Capkirk | benjamindees: currently im trying to resolve with host |
| 08:04.01 | Capkirk | benjamindees: like host www.backports.org |
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| 08:04.29 | kang1 | bye. |
| 08:04.30 | Capkirk | benjamindees: and when im doing apt-get update i get errors due to problems resolving www.backports.org |
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| 08:04.52 | cafuego | Capkirk: So remove backports.org from sources.list |
| 08:05.05 | Capkirk | nailbiter: but as i told before host www.backports.org dosnt work |
| 08:05.20 | Capkirk | cafuego: hehe you are a real problem solver :) |
| 08:05.28 | nailbiter | Capkirk: try a 'telnet www.backports.org 80'. does that time out without resolving? |
| 08:05.39 | Capkirk | cafuego: its not only www.backports.org that dosnt resolv |
| 08:05.43 | cafuego | Capkirk: add '194.8.57.10 www.backports.org backports' to your /etc/hosts file. |
| 08:05.53 | cafuego | Capkirk: Ah ok, so a dodgy dns somewhere. |
| 08:05.59 | Capkirk | cafuego: i would have to do that wit alot of hosts then |
| 08:06.10 | Capkirk | cafuego: yes |
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| 08:06.11 | benjamindees | Capkirk, sounds like your isp's dns servers |
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| 08:06.28 | nailbiter | Capkirk: those two DNS servers you gave us are resolving www.backports.org just fine; i just did a query myself |
| 08:06.29 | cafuego | Capkirk: Add 18.71.0.151 to your resolv.conf |
| 08:06.35 | Capkirk | benjamindees: yeah but i dont understand? |
| 08:06.39 | bucky | Capkirk, you have deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable package ... in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 08:06.46 | benjamindees | Capkirk, what were the ips again? |
| 08:06.47 | Capkirk | bucky: yeps |
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| 08:06.55 | Capkirk | benjamindees: on the dnsservers? |
| 08:06.59 | nailbiter | Capkirk: say .. what are the permissions on your /etc/resolv.conf file? :) |
| 08:07.14 | Capkirk | nailbiter: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 52 Apr 14 10:00 /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 08:07.44 | Capkirk | the nameservers is working correctly im pretty sure about that :) |
| 08:08.05 | cafuego | Capkirk: Did you do something with your firewall? |
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| 08:08.31 | Capkirk | cafuego: not really i let incoming tcp/udp on 53 to and from all machines? |
| 08:08.35 | benjamindees | Capkirk, they aren't working here |
| 08:08.49 | cafuego | Capkirk: incoming FROM 53 |
| 08:08.51 | nailbiter | Capkirk: did someone clobber /lib/libnss_dns.so.* on your system? |
| 08:09.14 | cafuego | Not incoming TO 53 |
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| 08:09.24 | Capkirk | cafuego: a working resolv with dig indicat that my firewall is fine? |
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| 08:09.37 | Capkirk | nailbiter: nope |
| 08:09.41 | cafuego | Capkirk: Well, it ort to be then, yes |
| 08:09.51 | nailbiter | Capkirk: ok, try pasting your /etc/nsswitch.conf file to #flood? |
| 08:10.01 | Capkirk | maybe i should tell the background story for the problems? |
| 08:10.09 | Capkirk | nailbiter: i will |
| 08:10.18 | nailbiter | Capkirk: it should have a line like: 'hosts: files dns'. without the 'dns', you'll not do any DNS lookups at all. :) |
| 08:10.20 | cafuego | Capkirk: it might be useful, yes |
| 08:10.21 | Capkirk | nailbiter: but they are standard ive checked :) |
| 08:10.47 | Capkirk | ok pasting nsswitch to #flood |
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| 08:11.32 | nailbiter | Capkirk: looks very standard indeed. |
| 08:11.43 | nailbiter | Capkirk: do you have nscd installed? (the name service cache daemon) |
| 08:12.18 | benjamindees | well I've gotten one bad lookup and one good one from that first ns server |
| 08:12.21 | Capkirk | nailbiter: nope |
| 08:12.55 | Capkirk | you people want to hear background story? |
| 08:13.07 | streuner | why not? |
| 08:13.22 | tarzeau | i want to hear a fairy tale! |
| 08:13.29 | jast | hi. any gotchas i might have missed (I debootstrapped sarge/sid on a remote system)? here's a list of things i've checked ;): interfaces, lilo, kernel image position. not even network will work. |
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| 08:14.34 | streuner | jast: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 08:14.55 | Capkirk | ok we have our own /24 which has been moved from on AS to another and now im thinking maybe it hasing somthing to do with us not beening able to do a full resolve hence we come from some "unknown" iprange withing our current ISP AS but im not that much into routing so i cant really tell? |
| 08:14.56 | vortek | Is there a way to increase font size in chat |
| 08:15.25 | tarzeau | vortek: sure, is it console? svgalib? x? gtk? gnustep? qt? |
| 08:15.38 | Capkirk | but using dig directly on those nameservers indicate otherwise? |
| 08:15.38 | streuner | vortek: in X-Chat its easy ;-) |
| 08:15.38 | nailbiter | Capkirk: actually, benjamindees is right -- for me, about 1 out of 4 lookups to the DNS servers you gave is failing |
| 08:15.47 | tarzeau | the easiest way is probably a larger screen, and a lower resolution |
| 08:15.59 | benjamindees | !dance |
| 08:16.00 | tarzeau | a magnifying glass can also increase font size |
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| 08:16.18 | Capkirk | nailbiter: those servers work i tell you they are they maindnsservers for the biggest telco here in Denmark called TDC internet |
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| 08:16.32 | benjamindees | Capkirk, I've noticed my (SBC) dns servers doing that too recently |
| 08:16.36 | Capkirk | they do namelookups for around 1.000.000 adsl + hosting |
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| 08:17.03 | Capkirk | i know the guys who runs those servers and they work :) |
| 08:17.03 | sml | morning folks. |
| 08:17.36 | Capkirk | buts its a very odd dns case |
| 08:17.50 | benjamindees | I'd be happy to paste the goofy results I'm getting |
| 08:17.54 | vortek | streuner: how I cant find the menu option |
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| 08:17.58 | Capkirk | benjamindees: please |
| 08:18.18 | nailbiter | Capkirk: while you're at it, do a -- strace -o /tmp/ping.trace ping -c1 google.com -- and paste the trace to #flood. it'll tell you if ping's DNS lookups are failing or not |
| 08:18.27 | streuner | vortek: in X-Chat, just go to preferences? |
| 08:18.33 | benjamindees | okay, sec |
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| 08:19.02 | Capkirk | nailbiter: done |
| 08:19.18 | nailbiter | Capkirk: paste the /tmp/ping.trace file to #flood. :) |
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| 08:20.16 | Capkirk | nailbiter: ahh sorry :) |
| 08:20.19 | Capkirk | nailbiter: here we go |
| 08:21.04 | vortek | streuner : no options there :( nothing on the faq either |
| 08:21.44 | streuner | vortek: look harder |
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| 08:23.46 | vortek | streuner : its not there its should be settings pref textbox font |
| 08:23.48 | Eclipser | interesting setup this computer has |
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| 08:24.07 | Eclipser | I can write files, edit them, etc, but I can't remove them even if I own them and have all rights |
| 08:24.30 | vortek | streuner : ahh its a submenu |
| 08:24.32 | vortek | doh! |
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| 08:25.12 | yoc | how to mark all mails read in mail(1) or mutt? |
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| 08:26.26 | nailbiter | Capkirk: well, it looked like your DNS lookup of google.com worked that time |
| 08:26.38 | nailbiter | Capkirk: so there's no problem there |
| 08:26.40 | Capkirk | done |
| 08:26.43 | Capkirk | nailbiter: its also available here -> http://area51.mediabits.org/ping.trace |
| 08:26.45 | Capkirk | nailbiter: nope |
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| 08:26.53 | abel | hi all hi just install memtest86+ on my debian. I have modified the grub menu.lst as told in /etc/share/doc/memtest86+/... and reboot but at reboot when i select memtest86+ in the grub menu, he don't find the memtest86+.bin file . Anything i missed ? |
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| 08:27.27 | liable | abel: add the right path for it? |
| 08:27.36 | nailbiter | Capkirk: are these DNS lookup failures happening intermittently? |
| 08:27.38 | benjamindees | okay, pasting dns lookups to flood if anybody wants |
| 08:27.39 | The_Ball | abel, what kind of filesystem do you have on /etc/share/doc/mem.... |
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| 08:28.10 | directhex|work | abel, erm... modified it how exactly? memtest86 should automatically be added to the list by update-grub |
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| 08:28.47 | Capkirk | nailbiter: i need to look up the word intermittently sec :() |
| 08:28.53 | abel | liable the path that i have is kernel /boot/memtest86+.bin this is the goof one |
| 08:29.01 | yoc | how to mark all mails read in mail(1) or mutt? |
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| 08:29.41 | directhex|work | abel, run "update-grub" |
| 08:29.51 | abel | directhex|work doing it |
| 08:29.56 | nailbiter | Capkirk: it means "keeps going and coming and going and coming". :) |
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| 08:30.14 | benjamindees | anybody get that paste? |
| 08:30.21 | nailbiter | benjamindees: yup, saw it :) |
| 08:30.22 | sml | yoc: you need to tag them using "t" then use ";" to perform a function on your selection and then "d" |
| 08:30.30 | Capkirk | nailbiter: nope it fails constantly ive not have any luck doing resolving www.backports.org |
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| 08:30.40 | benjamindees | nailbiter, am I right that that's a bad lookup? |
| 08:30.42 | Capkirk | nailbiter: maybe we should do a strace with www.backports.org? |
| 08:30.48 | sml | yoc: sorry ^R, not d. |
| 08:30.49 | nailbiter | Capkirk: yes please :) |
| 08:30.54 | Capkirk | nailbiter: sec |
| 08:31.04 | nailbiter | benjamindees: we just had a successful lookup with google.com; he's going to try a trace with www.backports.org now |
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| 08:31.35 | abel | thanks all , i leave and reboot 4 trial ... |
| 08:31.38 | directhex|work | abel, that should have added an entry at the bottom of menu.lst for "title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel memtest86+" |
| 08:31.52 | jm_ | yoc: or use w/W if threading is disabled (with tagging and ; obviously) |
| 08:32.07 | sml | yoc: so its "t" to tag, then ";" to perform function on tagged messagse then "^R" to mark them all as read. |
| 08:32.18 | abel | directhex|work: this seems to have work , i reboot 4 trial ... thanks |
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| 08:32.27 | ecfx | !start a distro war |
| 08:32.27 | dpkg | RedHat sux0rz! |
| 08:32.36 | sml | dpkg: lol |
| 08:32.36 | dpkg | LOL stands for Laughs Out Loud, or (more commonly) Lamer On Line. If you insist on using this atrocity, try "/me lol" (preferably after /join #teenchat). "heh" or "haha" is greatly preferred. See also <loll>. |
| 08:32.40 | directhex|work | !start a food fight |
| 08:32.40 | dpkg | bread is non-free |
| 08:32.44 | Shay | !start a mta war |
| 08:32.44 | dpkg | postfix loses mail |
| 08:32.57 | benjamindees | heh, it does... |
| 08:33.00 | sml | !start an editor war |
| 08:33.00 | dpkg | joe doesn't deserve to be in debian |
| 08:33.02 | yoc | sml, i've marked one D, how to undo? |
| 08:33.11 | ecfx | lol |
| 08:33.11 | sml | yoc: highlight it and then U |
| 08:33.15 | ecfx | O come on...joe owns |
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| 08:33.25 | sml | yoc: erm u, not U |
| 08:33.41 | sml | yoc: you might need to use the "vi" style movement commands to select it |
| 08:33.48 | amorphix | wooohoo |
| 08:33.49 | yoc | sml, i can't move highlight onto it |
| 08:33.54 | sml | yoc: like "j" "k" |
| 08:33.57 | amorphix | greetings all |
| 08:34.08 | sml | yoc: use "j" and "k" to move up and down like in vi. |
| 08:34.10 | Capkirk | nailbiter: http://area51.mediabits.org/ping_backports.trace |
| 08:34.25 | sml | yoc: also man mutt, whilst you're at it lol. |
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| 08:34.53 | sml | !start an mua war |
| 08:34.53 | dpkg | elm blows |
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| 08:34.58 | sml | lol |
| 08:35.08 | ecfx | No matter what...any servers I put on my debian box...I can't get them to work.. |
| 08:35.17 | ecfx | I can't ftp to local host..or httpd or anything |
| 08:35.20 | sml | ecfx: define work? |
| 08:35.27 | ecfx | Something like iptables isn't allowing servers to run |
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| 08:35.38 | ecfx | sml, The ports aren't being allowed |
| 08:35.39 | sml | ecfx: iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT |
| 08:35.39 | ecfx | for incomn |
| 08:35.44 | ecfx | incoming* |
| 08:35.46 | priest | is the security updates for sarge planed to start now in april? |
| 08:36.01 | yoc | sml, jm_ how mark all mails read, then i can move them into mbox |
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| 08:36.14 | sml | ecfx: try that and see if it then works.if it *does* then write some *proper* rules that sets a policy of DENY and accepts certain incoming connections. |
| 08:36.26 | sml | yoc: you mark them as before and then use C for copy. |
| 08:36.29 | nailbiter | Capkirk: looks like the lookup is failing. 'ping' actually tries twice, and fails both times |
| 08:36.30 | sml | yoc: look RTFM. |
| 08:36.39 | ecfx | sml: I have a router that I use for that...But I just want to ftp to localhost |
| 08:36.43 | ecfx | How can I flush all rules? |
| 08:36.47 | nailbiter | Capkirk: may i suggest using a public DNS server for now? |
| 08:36.50 | ecfx | Or better just turn iptables off completely. |
| 08:36.58 | sml | ecfx: iptables -F INPUT; iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT |
| 08:37.12 | yoc | sml, i have thouthands of mails |
| 08:37.27 | sml | yoc: and... |
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| 08:37.42 | yoc | i want to mark them all read sml |
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| 08:37.57 | sml | yoc: so hold down "t" for a few seconds. |
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| 08:38.07 | sml | yoc: 1000 emails is not a lot.. i get that from some mailing list. |
| 08:38.17 | yoc | sml, it's in ssh, it'll be a few hours |
| 08:38.21 | ecfx | sml, Still nope. |
| 08:38.27 | Capkirk | nailbiter: yeah i will see if i can get those dnsgururs to help |
| 08:38.29 | ecfx | I can go on irc like I am now...and do everything fine. |
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| 08:38.33 | ecfx | I just can't run a server. |
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| 08:38.52 | sml | ecfx: paste me the result of iptables -L -v -n in msg. |
| 08:38.55 | benjamindees | ecfx, can you connect from the local host, to 127.0.0.1? |
| 08:39.15 | nailbiter | Capkirk: if you're in a hurry, try 128.250.1.22 as your nameserver |
| 08:39.16 | sml | yoc: well failing that you can do some magic on the mbox itself using sed and such like. |
| 08:39.19 | ecfx | benjamindees, no |
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| 08:39.44 | sml | ecfx: ok... its nothing to do with your firewall rules. |
| 08:39.58 | sml | ecfx: what happens if you do "telnet localhost 21" |
| 08:40.02 | benjamindees | ecfx, and ps shows the server(s) running? |
| 08:40.11 | ecfx | benjamindees, yea |
| 08:40.18 | sml | ecfx: do you get something like : 220 ProFTPD 1.2.10 Server... blah...blah |
| 08:40.31 | benjamindees | ecfx, and so does 'lsof |grep TCP' ? |
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| 08:40.50 | sml | ecfx: do you have localhost in /etc/hosts ? |
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| 08:41.09 | ecfx | I can go into my other room....and ftp to 192.168.1.171 inside my lan... |
| 08:41.12 | netvoodoo | hi all |
| 08:41.14 | sml | ecfx: 127.0.0.1 localhost , should be in /etc/hosts |
| 08:41.14 | ecfx | And the httpd and ftpd work fine. |
| 08:41.20 | ecfx | I just can't loopback for some reason. |
| 08:41.38 | sml | ecfx: grep 'localhost' /etc/hosts, what does it say ? |
| 08:41.39 | benjamindees | is the lo interface up? |
| 08:41.41 | ecfx | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 08:41.46 | ecfx | That is the first line in /etc/hosts |
| 08:41.58 | ecfx | There is other stuff. |
| 08:42.06 | sml | benjamindees: the loopback interface isn't required for local traffic its only used to avoid traffic going out over the ethx interface |
| 08:42.18 | sml | ecfx: ping -c 1 localhost, gives you waht ? |
| 08:42.36 | sml | ecfx: something like : 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.092 ms ? |
| 08:42.50 | ecfx | --- localhost ping statistics --- |
| 08:42.50 | ecfx | 1 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 08:43.00 | sml | ecfx: herein lies your problem |
| 08:43.00 | ecfx | --- localhost ping statistics --- |
| 08:43.01 | ecfx | 18 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 16997ms |
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| 08:43.28 | sml | ecfx: paste me in msg the result of ifconfig -a |
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| 08:44.13 | sml | ecfx: strange problem you have ! also paste me the output of route -n |
| 08:44.50 | ecfx | will 4 lines get me kicked? |
| 08:44.54 | ecfx | or pm |
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| 08:45.44 | Caeies[taff] | heye all |
| 08:45.57 | sml | ecfx: priv it to me |
| 08:46.00 | benjamindees | ifconfig -a doesn't show whether the interface is up or not |
| 08:46.14 | sml | benjamindees: yes it does |
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| 08:46.20 | benjamindees | and having the interface down prevents pinging 127.0.0.1 for me |
| 08:46.52 | sml | ecfx: do me a favour. try this and tell me if it works: ftp 192.168.1.171 |
| 08:46.57 | sml | ecfx: instead of localhost |
| 08:47.10 | ecivo | HighPingedLPB, my soundcard is broken after rebooting, dmesg looks good, where can I access soundcard-settings on debian/sarge ? |
| 08:47.19 | sml | ecfx: ok i think i know what your problem is |
| 08:47.20 | ecfx | sml no |
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| 08:47.34 | ecivo | since the familar (to me) alsaconf |
| 08:47.40 | ecivo | doesn't work? |
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| 08:47.54 | asuffield | the problem is that he's using AIX, and not Debian |
| 08:47.58 | asuffield | that is not the output from ping in Debian |
| 08:48.02 | sml | asuffield: is he?????????????? |
| 08:48.09 | asuffield | it is, however, what AIX ping gives |
| 08:48.13 | sml | ecfx: are you using debian ? |
| 08:48.19 | benjamindees | heh |
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| 08:49.05 | ecfx | sml yes |
| 08:49.06 | ecfx | debian/sarge |
| 08:49.10 | sml | ecfx: you have no loopback device in your routing table. do ifconfig lo up |
| 08:49.16 | asuffield | you're never going to see this "--- localhost ping statistics ---" nonsense on a Debian box |
| 08:49.30 | sml | asuffield: unless he added that bit himself lol |
| 08:49.37 | ecfx | sml, Didn't fix it. |
| 08:49.41 | benjamindees | you see it when you use the -c option |
| 08:49.45 | sml | ecfx: show me the routing table NOW |
| 08:49.51 | asuffield | why would he manually emulate a proprietary unix by hand? |
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| 08:50.22 | asuffield | benjamindees: that does not translate IP addresses to hostnames |
| 08:50.47 | sml | ecfx: if ifconfig shows the lo as being up and route doesn't show a route , do route add 127.0.0.0 gw 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:51.05 | Gnea | whoa |
| 08:51.08 | benjamindees | asuffield, ah yeah I'm not seeing a "time" metric though |
| 08:51.10 | ecfx | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 08:51.21 | Guerin | pigeon@pigeonbox:~$ ping google.com <snip> --- google.com ping statistics --- <more stuff here> |
| 08:51.30 | Guerin | looks like it's there to me |
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| 08:51.30 | Gnea | Guerin: hehe |
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| 08:51.51 | benjamindees | asuffield, it does if your hostname is localhost and you ping localhost explicitly |
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| 08:52.00 | deadcat | whats the mips kernel like? like x86 ppc. |
| 08:52.13 | Gnea | well |
| 08:52.24 | Gnea | it's a kernel, built for a mips-based system |
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| 08:53.27 | deadcat | Gnea: like kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6 <-- the k6 part for amd |
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| 08:54.01 | sml | hmmmmmm ecfx ... |
| 08:54.12 | sml | ecfx: you're running ipv6 on the loopback address?! |
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| 08:54.28 | peterS | sml: 'ping6 ::1' - fun fun |
| 08:54.29 | nailbiter | deadcat: 'mips' and 'mipsle' |
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| 08:54.42 | Guerin | el |
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| 08:54.43 | directhex|work | nailbiter, mipsel |
| 08:54.43 | sml | ecfx: I dont know how the fuck you did that |
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| 08:54.47 | deadcat | nailbiter: hmm. cant seem to find one from packages.d.o |
| 08:54.49 | sml | ecfx: but..... i dont know how to fix that! |
| 08:54.51 | nailbiter | directhex|work: oops :) |
| 08:55.05 | sml | ecfx: did you try my suggestion ? |
| 08:55.08 | ecfx | I got it sml |
| 08:55.10 | peterS | sml: if you use ipv6 at all, it adds the ::1 address to the lo interface, by default |
| 08:55.21 | sml | peterS: ah ok. |
| 08:55.22 | ecfx | look in mp |
| 08:55.27 | sml | ecfx: ? |
| 08:55.29 | benjamindees | deadcat, mips is a separate architecture, look in the mips directory instead of i386 |
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| 08:55.56 | deadcat | benjamindees: i did |
| 08:56.09 | qwertz | Hi! I need to calculate a unix timestamp in a bash script. I need the result of date +%s - 14400 is this possible in a script and if how? |
| 08:56.14 | benjamindees | deadcat, then it'll be the standard kernel for that arch |
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| 08:56.21 | peterS | sml: ::1 is the ipv6 equivalent to 127.0.0.1. that address notation is short for 0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0001 |
| 08:56.28 | Guerin | qwertz: anything's possible. #bash |
| 08:56.49 | directhex|work | qwertz, $(date +%s - 14400) ? |
| 08:56.50 | peterS | qwertz: $(($(date +%s) - 14400)) |
| 08:56.53 | sml | peterS: I remember reading an rfc where it said how to truncate "ipv6" addresses |
| 08:57.29 | sml | peterS: you can remove leading zero's but only do it once or something? |
| 08:57.32 | sml | peterS: god knows! |
| 08:57.32 | peterS | sml: right, leading zeros in each 16-bit (4 hex digit) section can be omitted, and :: takes the place of any number of 0000 sections |
| 08:58.00 | Guerin | peters knows too |
| 08:58.01 | peterS | sml: so, 0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0001 could be 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 but can also be reduced to 0::1 or ::1 |
| 08:58.12 | caphuso | RFC 1924 |
| 08:58.24 | qwertz | peterS, thanks for the tip! |
| 08:58.25 | caphuso | _that's_ how you truncate IPv6 numbers |
| 08:58.37 | sml | caphuso: :) |
| 08:59.15 | nailbiter | deadcat: have you looked in http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-patch-2.4.27-mips? |
| 08:59.25 | nailbiter | deadcat: you'll have to pick the variant for your workstation type |
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| 08:59.34 | deadcat | nailbiter: thats just a patch tough right? |
| 08:59.38 | mhale | hello all |
| 08:59.39 | nailbiter | deadcat: no, those are binary kernels |
| 08:59.49 | deadcat | weird |
| 08:59.53 | peterS | sml: finally, if the lowest 32 bits happens to represent an IPv4 address, you can use IPv4 notation for it. so like dead:beef::156.23.238.15 |
| 09:00.01 | sml | you are never going to believe this guys but I was having severe performance problems running Oracle on a dual pIII 2GB RAM debian box. using Oracles recommendations or using Redhat Enterprise ES, we got a query that took 10minutes on that box down to 10 seconds on *inferior* hardware. what the hell did oracle do to redhat! |
| 09:00.12 | sml | s/or/of |
| 09:00.21 | mhale | ive just switched my monitor from a 19inch crt to a 15inch lcd. whats the name of the program i need to run to reconfigure x? it probes the monitor, sets up sub pixel hinting etc |
| 09:00.33 | jm_ | mhale: /msg dpkg reconfigure x |
| 09:00.37 | mhale | thanks jm |
| 09:00.40 | peterS | sml: the red hat kernel has huge numbers of patches applied. some might be for features oracle detects and uses specifically |
| 09:00.45 | sml | peterS: deadbeef lol. i remember when i used to use that as payload within packets so that i could see them easily using tcpdump! |
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| 09:00.55 | peterS | heh, right |
| 09:00.58 | sml | peterS: i might use a redhat kernel on the debian box |
| 09:01.05 | sml | peterS: ;) |
| 09:01.19 | peterS | sml: there exists a debian package kernel-patch-redhat which applies to some 2.4 kernel |
| 09:01.30 | sml | i would need all the sysctrl stuff too for the semaphore's, and shared mem kernel parameters |
| 09:01.34 | peterS | sml: I forget whether it's being actively maintained or if dan2 dropped it or what |
| 09:01.40 | sml | peterS: interesting. |
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| 09:02.28 | sml | peterS: however redhat enterprise es uses a 2.6 kernel.. |
| 09:02.53 | peterS | sml: yeah. I'd just copy the kernel binaries over, configure grub to use it, and try it |
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| 09:03.07 | sml | peterS: that was what i was going to do... they've obviously made some tweaks! |
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| 09:03.32 | sml | dont really want to run DeadRat if i can help it |
| 09:04.03 | peterS | sml: well, running RHEL or whatever on a single box to host oracle because that's what they support is not such a bad plan |
| 09:04.25 | peterS | sml: you *do* want oracle support, and they've already demonstrated that there's a *reason* they support only specific OS distributions (: |
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| 09:04.32 | sml | peterS: true , it is *only* one box however if its *only* the kernel that's different i would much prefer to run debian. |
| 09:04.44 | peterS | sml: sure. by all means test it |
| 09:05.09 | jm_ | dunno, I was never able to compile a RH ES kernel using their config and their sources |
| 09:05.10 | sml | peterS: far easier to maintain all the non-oralce software using debian. however how legal is it to use the kernel from RedHat enterprise that's been modified ? |
| 09:05.31 | sml | I mean.. do I still have to pay redhat you think>? |
| 09:05.40 | sml | I would imagine I would. |
| 09:05.45 | p2-mate | sml: no |
| 09:05.48 | peterS | sml: the linux kernel is provided to you under the GPLv2 |
| 09:05.55 | peterS | sml: even red hat can't change *that* |
| 09:05.57 | mikael | hi, i did some stupid things before i installed mysql4.1, since i belived it was an stable release. but now, am i trying to install 4.0 instead, and it wont work, since it got alot of depende of stuff, can anyhelp me with that? |
| 09:05.59 | daxxar | Hm, bash question. How can I have a variable named variable in bash? |
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| 09:06.07 | daxxar | I.e. a variable-name based on another variable. :S |
| 09:06.15 | peterS | daxxar: through painful use of 'eval' |
| 09:06.22 | daxxar | Seh =| |
| 09:06.25 | peterS | daxxar: eval $variable=value |
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| 09:06.49 | peterS | daxxar: and take care because 'value' will be evaluated twice, so if it has any escapes or anything you'll need to quote it with care |
| 09:07.01 | chealer | what do you do to get info about old packages like kernel-patch-redhat? |
| 09:07.02 | benjamindees | is it possible to use imap to send mail or do I still use smtp for outgoing? |
| 09:07.10 | boyracerr | still get failure when doing apt-get -t testing install php4 |
| 09:07.10 | daxxar | peterS, i will not be modifying the contents of the variable, only fetching the data in it. |
| 09:07.11 | boyracerr | Err http://ftp.uk.debian.org sarge/main libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 09:07.11 | boyracerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.11 | boyracerr | Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-20_i386.deb Bad header line |
| 09:07.16 | boyracerr | Err http://ftp.uk.debian.org sarge/main libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 09:07.16 | boyracerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.16 | boyracerr | Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-20_i386.deb Bad header line |
| 09:07.25 | Guerin | boyracerr: fucking idiot |
| 09:07.28 | boyracerr | Bad Header Line |
| 09:07.30 | peterS | chealer: I happened to already know about kernel-patch-redhat. I would have looked it up via 'apt-cache' and if that failed, http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 09:07.39 | Guerin | boyracerr: don't fucking paste, you imbecile |
| 09:07.39 | boyracerr | thanks |
| 09:07.43 | boyracerr | sorry |
| 09:07.46 | peterS | daxxar: eval echo \$$variable |
| 09:07.52 | daxxar | peterS, thanks. |
| 09:08.14 | peterS | daxxar: as in: var2=$(eval echo \$$variable) |
| 09:08.15 | sml | benjamindees: IMAP is not used to send email. |
| 09:08.16 | chealer | peterS: ah, yeah, snapshot...but on the official sites do you think there's a way? so that you may also figure why it's removed |
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| 09:08.25 | mornfall | sml: it can be |
| 09:08.31 | sml | mornfall: can it? |
| 09:08.32 | mornfall | sml: refer to courier docs ;-) |
| 09:08.40 | peterS | chealer: as for "why it's removed", check http://bugs.debian.org/ftp.debian.org |
| 09:09.01 | peterS | chealer: and the 'archived=yes' equivalent to the above (go to bugs.debian.org, search for bugs against ftp.debian.org which have been archived) |
| 09:09.05 | mornfall | sml: essentially, you make a folder, upload messages there and the imap server hands them to smtp |
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| 09:09.28 | sml | mornfall: ah.. so you still need smtp ;) |
| 09:09.29 | chealer | peterS: hum, interesting. thanks |
| 09:09.33 | benjamindees | okay, well my real question is which method Thunderbird uses by default? |
| 09:09.42 | mornfall | sml: well, only on the imap server, not on the client :) |
| 09:09.44 | mhale | dpkg-reconfigure is asking me how much memory is in my video card - how do i find out |
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| 09:09.54 | mornfall | benjamindees: smtp of course |
| 09:09.55 | peterS | chealer: warning, there have been 3415 bugs against 'ftp.debian.org' archived, though |
| 09:10.11 | benjamindees | thanks sml, ,mornfall |
| 09:10.12 | mornfall | benjamindees: sending mail over imap is a rather unusual setup... haven't seen in the wild so far |
| 09:10.32 | boyracerr | so guerin my little friend, are you refusing to help because i pasted? |
| 09:10.35 | boyracerr | i am sorry about that |
| 09:10.37 | boyracerr | my bad |
| 09:10.48 | boyracerr | or are you as stumped as me? |
| 09:10.48 | sml | benjamindees: de nada. |
| 09:10.56 | sml | boyracerr: no one is as stumped as you. |
| 09:11.05 | daxxar | peterS, thanks a lot. :-) |
| 09:11.05 | boyracerr | no? |
| 09:11.15 | peterS | daxxar: did it work? it should have but I didn't test |
| 09:11.23 | Guerin | boyracerr: a http problem either at your end, or at debian's |
| 09:11.31 | mornfall | or a fucked mirror :-) |
| 09:11.34 | Guerin | or perhaps in between, if your isp is transparently proxying you |
| 09:11.45 | boyracerr | thanks: tried three different mirrors |
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| 09:11.48 | mornfall | try other mirror, try ftp, try ftp on other mirror :-) |
| 09:11.54 | Guerin | change mirrors; try proxying through some other machine, etc. |
| 09:11.56 | mornfall | then it's either you or your isp i suppose |
| 09:12.00 | Guerin | try ftp:// |
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| 09:12.26 | daxxar | peterS, it did, yes. :) |
| 09:12.32 | peterS | cool |
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| 09:12.43 | boyracerr | i just did apt-get install linuxinfo |
| 09:12.45 | boyracerr | as a test |
| 09:12.47 | boyracerr | and it worked fine |
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| 09:13.00 | boyracerr | which suggest connection itself is well no? |
| 09:13.10 | Guerin | maybe |
| 09:13.18 | sml | mhale: use lspci to tell you details (possibly) about your card. |
| 09:13.20 | Guerin | it suggests it but there's clearly a problem |
| 09:14.05 | chealer | so, it looks like kernel-patch-redhat was abandoned at 2.6.5 |
| 09:14.38 | benjamindees | holy crap my isp is filtering port 25 |
| 09:14.39 | sml | chealer: its amazing what oracle have done to the kernel, if i find out what the differences are i will make an article. |
| 09:14.46 | benjamindees | !fuck Cox |
| 09:15.06 | sml | chealer: the difference between 10 minutes and 10 seconds is quite a bloody big difference! |
| 09:15.14 | buu | peterS: Your bots are even stranger than perls |
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| 09:15.25 | peterS | buu: they're just key/value for the most part |
| 09:15.36 | peterS | buu: it's the people who input the keys and values over time that are weird |
| 09:15.40 | buu | heh |
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| 09:15.48 | boyracerr | i'm wondering if the problem is with the package itself |
| 09:15.50 | sml | peterS: what's weird the people or the keys ;) |
| 09:15.59 | Guerin | that command has mutated and grown well beyong what it was originally |
| 09:16.00 | peterS | sml: the people. the keys can't help what they are |
| 09:16.09 | Guerin | peterS: and the people can? |
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| 09:16.35 | peterS | Guerin: I like to think people could restrain themselves if necessary. even FieldySnuts knows how to tone it down with the bots when sufficiently threatened |
| 09:17.02 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:17.22 | sml | this is getting too philosophical |
| 09:17.33 | sml | and its only 10:19! |
| 09:17.47 | sml | !seen golgotha |
| 09:17.48 | dpkg | golgotha <~golgotha@cpc2-cmbg8-6-0-cust56.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 75d 19h 25m 22s ago, saying: 'asg, no i said sarge to woody, it took a reboot, and i had to do some evil things to dpkg, but it worked'. |
| 09:18.12 | buu | Apparently it didn't work! |
| 09:18.18 | benjamindees | heh |
| 09:18.22 | Guerin | i dunno |
| 09:18.34 | boyracerr | i threw in an apt-get clean |
| 09:18.37 | boyracerr | and tried again |
| 09:18.43 | boyracerr | and it seems to be making progress |
| 09:18.43 | Guerin | if it had worked, he'd not have needed to come back |
| 09:18.54 | boyracerr | thanks to those of you who made suggestions |
| 09:19.13 | sml | boyracerr: apt-get clean only cleans out the local repository of retrieved package files. |
| 09:19.20 | boyracerr | i know |
| 09:19.29 | sml | boyracerr: you're problem was a connection issue. |
| 09:19.30 | boyracerr | either that had some weird effect |
| 09:19.37 | Guerin | !placebo boyracerr |
| 09:19.51 | sml | your , i mean doh. |
| 09:19.54 | directhex|work | !apostrophesmite sml |
| 09:20.01 | boyracerr | yes |
| 09:20.02 | Guerin | but hell, whatever does the trick :) |
| 09:20.05 | jethro | !aerosmite me |
| 09:20.05 | sml | directhex|work: =] |
| 09:20.14 | boyracerr | but as i said, other packages went for it |
| 09:20.26 | boyracerr | i think there was a download which crashed last night |
| 09:20.49 | boyracerr | possibly there were corrupted packages in local repository |
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| 09:22.12 | jethro | someone give me another stomach |
| 09:22.47 | benjamindees | so, given the recent supreme court ruling that ISPs can read e-mail they store for you, would it be a violation of wiretapping laws to block using third party e-mail services? |
| 09:23.05 | Guerin | jethro: the one you have not big enough? Drink beer and eat pork rinds! |
| 09:23.20 | jethro | Guerin: the one I have makes me suffer because of last night :) |
| 09:23.25 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:23.33 | Guerin | too much beer, not enough pork rinds |
| 09:24.00 | sml | benjamindees: use gpg. |
| 09:24.05 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:24.10 | peterS | benjamindees: ISPs couldn't read your mail before? pretty hard to do any mail server administration if you have to promise never to read their mail |
| 09:24.12 | jethro | well actually 3 pints of murphys, 2 bottle of red wine, a bottle of champagne, and the waitress, that was just about too much for me to cope with and feel good this mornin |
| 09:24.15 | Guerin | encrypt, and don't use your isp's servers, ever |
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| 09:24.34 | benjamindees | peterS, they could, this just made it official |
| 09:24.41 | Guerin | jethro: you drank the waitress? |
| 09:24.46 | jethro | Guerin: I shagged her |
| 09:24.54 | sml | peterS: reminds me of carnivore and how lame it was compared to say.. ethereal or tcpdump. |
| 09:24.56 | jethro | and she helped drinking the champagne ;) |
| 09:24.56 | Guerin | jethro: after all that booze? |
| 09:25.02 | jethro | yeah |
| 09:25.09 | Guerin | hah |
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| 09:25.20 | Guerin | maybe you were a barman in a former life |
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| 09:25.28 | jethro | I was on steroids |
| 09:25.30 | jethro | hah |
| 09:25.43 | sml | dont anyone mention beer im not feeling dandy after my session last night. got to bed at 3am. too much for a wednesday night! |
| 09:25.53 | jethro | sml: same here :) |
| 09:25.56 | Guerin | i have to go out drinking tonight |
| 09:26.00 | Guerin | starting at 2200 |
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| 09:28.31 | sml | tonight.. pizza and bed early for me. had a lovely curry last night though. my god it was divine. |
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| 09:28.51 | sml | i could live on curry and beer. |
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| 09:28.55 | ppp_ | .it |
| 09:29.07 | PEACEYALL | is there any option or script or w/e to mount a device automatically when is plugged in to the usb port or card reader or w/e?? |
| 09:29.22 | jethro | PEACEYALL: automount |
| 09:29.26 | directhex|work | PEACEYALL, yes, there are 3 options |
| 09:29.42 | PEACEYALL | how do i use automount? |
| 09:29.46 | directhex|work | PEACEYALL, you can use gnome-volume-manager, automount, and (i think) pmount |
| 09:29.52 | peterS | PEACEYALL: or usbmount |
| 09:29.57 | directhex|work | i'd use gnome-volume-manager by preference |
| 09:30.01 | PEACEYALL | ok ty |
| 09:30.05 | jonk | Hello all, does anyone know if debian has any embargoed or restricted destinations of use? |
| 09:30.05 | PEACEYALL | ill try |
| 09:30.06 | jethro | PEACEYALL: you start with apt-get install , then cd /usr/share/doc/<packagename>, then read |
| 09:30.31 | PEACEYALL | but would gnome-volume-manager work if i am using KDE? |
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| 09:30.41 | Psychik | re |
| 09:30.44 | Psychik | i want to pass to woody > sarge |
| 09:30.47 | Psychik | but in my sources.list |
| 09:30.53 | directhex|work | PEACEYALL, it would, if you want it to |
| 09:30.54 | b0zzo` | hi |
| 09:30.56 | liable | PEACEYALL: yes |
| 09:30.56 | sml | jonk: i'd imagine only countries where strong crypto is prohibited there might be certain restrictions. |
| 09:30.58 | Psychik | theres nowhere the woody to replace woody by sarge |
| 09:30.59 | jethro | !tell Psychik -about enter |
| 09:31.01 | PEACEYALL | ok ty |
| 09:31.10 | jethro | Psychik: then replace stable by sarge |
| 09:31.18 | Psychik | okay |
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| 09:31.25 | sml | jonk: but there is a non-US section |
| 09:31.33 | Psychik | instead of testing i put sarge |
| 09:31.36 | Psychik | it does the same? |
| 09:31.51 | jethro | Psychik: if you use sarge, then once sarge becomes stable, you'll be tracking stable |
| 09:31.55 | directhex|work | Psychik, for the moment, yes. it means when sarge becomes stable, you'll still use sarge (not switch to etch) |
| 09:31.59 | b0zzo` | i ve got the following when i run x : " could not open default font 'fixed' .. any ideas ? |
| 09:32.03 | jethro | Psychik: if you use testing, once sarge is stable, you'll go on tracking etch |
| 09:32.04 | directhex|work | !fixed |
| 09:32.04 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 09:32.11 | Psychik | okay |
| 09:32.12 | benjamindees | sml, I thought the non-US section was *with* strong crypto? |
| 09:32.19 | rj_ | hi, i'm wondering what this line from /var/log/messages means, it's appearing rather a lot: "kernel: cpu 1 cold: low 0, high 32, batch 16", is that normal or is something burning up? |
| 09:32.36 | rj_ | and "cpu 3 hot: low 32, high 96, batch 16" |
| 09:32.38 | Psychik | but why in the how to n, thez all say to replace the "woody" words ? |
| 09:32.41 | Psychik | its nowhere |
| 09:32.55 | jethro | Psychik: because some have woody and not stable |
| 09:33.12 | Psychik | k |
| 09:33.13 | Psychik | =) |
| 09:33.16 | Psychik | thx dude |
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| 09:33.31 | jonk | hmmm alright,dude |
| 09:33.32 | jonk | :) |
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| 09:35.23 | PerfDave | !non-US |
| 09:35.23 | dpkg | i heard non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". |
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| 09:36.11 | benjamindees | yeah, US mirrors now distribute the non-US isos |
| 09:36.52 | rmrfchik | does anybody write doc in docbook xml? I can't get <refentry>...</refentry> in the result html. |
| 09:37.40 | Guerin | rmrfchik: in which result html? The one you get when you conver the xml? |
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| 09:37.54 | PEACEYALL | directhex|work i configured gnome-volume-manager , but its still didnt mount automatically? , would it mount to my settings of that /dev/sdb in fstab? |
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| 09:38.51 | chealer | sml: I found the reason for removal thanks to peterS : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296970&archive=yes |
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| 09:39.09 | rmrfchik | Guerin: yep. I convert xml to html with "xmlto" |
| 09:39.12 | _joey | I have 1024Mb of RAM installed today, why is /proc/meminfo is only showing: MemTotal: 906072 kB |
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| 09:39.30 | PEACEYALL | gah ill just use pmount |
| 09:39.54 | rmrfchik | Guerin: I even tried examples... but result html doesn't contain any info. Just title. |
| 09:40.24 | peterS | chealer: ah yes. I suppose the list of archived bugs against the pseudopackage 'ftp.debian.org' takes awhile to download (: |
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| 09:40.50 | liable | PEACEYALL: you have a line in fstab for your usb? |
| 09:41.08 | liable | PEACEYALL: just mount it manually then |
| 09:41.11 | chealer | peterS: as you warned me...it did :) |
| 09:41.32 | chealer | I thought there might have like a DB to query, but that's better than nothing |
| 09:41.35 | peterS | chealer: not sure if there's a search strategy that would have saved you all that download time. there isn't that I'm aware of. |
| 09:41.41 | chealer | have like/have been like |
| 09:41.52 | chealer | ok, thanks anyway |
| 09:41.57 | PEACEYALL | liable , i can do that i know but i want it to mount automatically while im not root |
| 09:42.00 | peterS | chealer: there *is* an LDAP interface to the bugs database. perhaps that allows more complex search queries |
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| 09:42.24 | directhex|work | PEACEYALL, adduser yourusername plugdev |
| 09:42.33 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 09:42.49 | directhex|work | PEACEYALL, then restart g-v-m |
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| 09:43.18 | Fry | omfg |
| 09:43.19 | Fry | \ |
| 09:43.30 | peterS | breathe, Fry. breathe. |
| 09:43.32 | chealer | peterS: wow, I didn't know debian's BTS was packaged :) |
| 09:43.44 | Fry | debian, is starting to piss me the fuck off >:O |
| 09:43.45 | skip_ | having trouble trying to mount a new partition. How do I mount it like /root or /home. At the moment I can only mount it via fstab to a directory that I've created |
| 09:43.50 | peterS | chealer: heh, yeah. 'debbugs'. not sure if the packaged version is close to the deployed version or not |
| 09:44.20 | peterS | skip_: that's the usual procedure in any case |
| 09:44.32 | Fry | frequent lock-ups-- |
| 09:44.35 | Fry | it's annoying |
| 09:44.44 | chealer | peterS: anyway, I don'T even remember what LDAP means, but maybe that would be a good occasion to learn. I guess I like BTS-s :) |
| 09:44.44 | Fry | I'll never get a real high uptime at this rate |
| 09:44.44 | directhex|work | i suggest using memtest86 |
| 09:45.23 | PEACEYALL | still not working :/ |
| 09:45.24 | peterS | chealer: Lightweight Directory Access Protocol - often used to store user databases and similar lists of objects. Microsoft Active Directory uses it, for example |
| 09:45.32 | skip_ | peterS: I formatted the partition in qtparted and renamed it, but it doesn't auto mount like these partitions do |
| 09:45.47 | peterS | skip_: you added an appropriate entry to /etc/fstab? |
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| 09:45.52 | chealer | peterS: ok, but do you know where I can read about that interface to the BTS? |
| 09:45.54 | skip_ | peterS: yes |
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| 09:46.09 | jethro | Fry: somethin like this? AIX clay7sip 1 5 00000021C000 - 11:42AM up 364 days, 19:03, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.03 |
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| 09:46.18 | skip_ | peterS: it's a primary partition on hda, known as hda2 |
| 09:46.23 | peterS | chealer: offhand I don't know. poke around http://bugs.debian.org to see if there's documentation for the API. I can point you to some source code that uses it, if needed. in perl. |
| 09:46.24 | Fry | jethro, exactly! |
| 09:46.24 | chealer | pff, not even a year |
| 09:46.29 | PEACEYALL | directhex|work , it still didnt work :/ |
| 09:46.34 | Fry | I can't even get 12 hours! |
| 09:46.49 | jethro | Fry: then get good hardware :) |
| 09:46.51 | peterS | jethro: almost a year, eh? not too bad, although it's what I've come to expect from RS/6000 hardware and AIX |
| 09:47.00 | Fry | jethro, I think it's the kernel |
| 09:47.01 | chealer | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 09:47.05 | Fry | but without it, I have no sound |
| 09:47.14 | sml | jethro: 10:50:59 up 433 days, 19:03, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 |
| 09:47.17 | asuffield | of course, the problem is that it's a year of excruciating pain |
| 09:47.17 | jethro | peterS: that's stupid to keep such high uptimes, and the motd even says to reboot the box everymonth |
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| 09:47.44 | jethro | peterS: but of course, nobody touches the box unless it stops working as expected .. stupid admins |
| 09:47.52 | peterS | heh |
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| 09:48.09 | skip_ | peterS: nevermind, I just figured out what my problem is...I'm thinking in Windoze terms...the new partition is treated like a filesystem, not a hard disk |
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| 09:48.26 | epicenter | Could someone please help me out with chroot? .... I'd really appreciate it. |
| 09:48.37 | jethro | epicenter: tried man chroot yet? |
| 09:48.44 | epicenter | yeah, it wasn't terribly helpful |
| 09:48.53 | Guerin | !wayttd epicenter |
| 09:48.54 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, epicenter? |
| 09:48.58 | epicenter | hahah |
| 09:49.02 | epicenter | I have a 32-bit and 64-bit install on separate partitions, most of my apps work great. |
| 09:49.06 | jethro | epicenter: try info chroot |
| 09:49.10 | sml | epicenter: it wasn't terribly helpful ?! |
| 09:49.10 | Fry | bah! |
| 09:49.12 | epicenter | But, the one or two that don't, I was told I can just chroot over to the i386 one to run properly |
| 09:49.19 | jethro | sml: the manpage indeed sucks |
| 09:49.27 | jethro | sml: as most linux manpages do :/ |
| 09:49.29 | epicenter | So, I tried it. linux32 chroot /mnt with the 32-bit ext3 mounted on /mnt |
| 09:49.34 | Fry | some bastard had my nick >:O |
| 09:49.40 | epicenter | when I Run say, the game I want to play (darkplaces, quake 1 engine) I get a black screen. Nothing else |
| 09:49.42 | Guerin | don't mount anything to /mnt |
| 09:49.44 | epicenter | no video attainable period after that |
| 09:49.52 | Guerin | always make a chroot its own mount point |
| 09:49.56 | epicenter | I Tried running Cedega. That crashed with a weird error |
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| 09:50.00 | cafuego_ | whoa |
| 09:50.02 | Guerin | (not that this is likely to be the cause of your problem) |
| 09:50.12 | sml | jethro: well is man 2 chroot, or man 1 chroot ? |
| 09:50.14 | cafuego_ | Irssi: Join to #debian was synced in 252 secs |
| 09:50.19 | epicenter | I can't figure this shit out at all. :P |
| 09:50.22 | sml | jethro: some do suck a lot I must admit. |
| 09:50.34 | sml | jethro: s/is/is that |
| 09:50.45 | jethro | sml: most do suck a lot compared to decent manpages by some other projects |
| 09:51.04 | epicenter | The author of Darkplaces made it very clear it just doesn't work in 64-bit linux |
| 09:51.07 | cafuego | epicenter: Did you bind your homedir and /proc into the chroot? |
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| 09:51.16 | epicenter | cafuego :I have no idea what that means. |
| 09:51.26 | peterS | chealer: apt-get install baz; baz register-archive http://triplehelix.org/~joshk/arch/joshk@triplehelix.org--2005; baz get joshk@triplehelix.org--2005/bugger--main |
| 09:51.27 | cafuego | epicenter: I'll take that as a no then. |
| 09:51.28 | epicenter | I was told to mount it and linux chroot /mountpoint |
| 09:51.31 | cafuego | epicenter: Just a moment |
| 09:51.31 | silverton | http://www2.lastshotnetwork.com/phpsysinfo/ |
| 09:51.33 | epicenter | linux32 |
| 09:51.34 | epicenter | not linux |
| 09:51.40 | peterS | chealer: I find arch commands really confusing but I think I got that right |
| 09:51.49 | silverton | wow, ten minutes already |
| 09:51.57 | sml | jethro: Yeah. the chown page never used to even mention sticky bit. |
| 09:52.02 | chealer | peterS: uh, OK...let me parse that :) |
| 09:52.11 | sml | jethro: chmod rather lol |
| 09:52.28 | cafuego | epicenter: http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274293 |
| 09:52.28 | silverton | okay then, well, I guess I can go back to the 2.6.11 kernel, I almost thought going to the .10 kernel was going to fix it |
| 09:52.31 | PEACEYALL | is tthere any script or w/e that i can use to mount as a non root user? |
| 09:52.40 | silverton | I wish I could use the .9 that knoppix uses, but unstable repositories don't have it |
| 09:52.47 | cafuego | epicenter: You need to do a small amount of wok to set the chroot up *properly* |
| 09:52.53 | sml | silverton: make-kpkg. |
| 09:52.55 | liable | PEACEYALL: add user to your fstab line |
| 09:53.01 | peterS | chealer: actually scratch that. that version of bugger uses HTTP, not LDAP |
| 09:53.14 | silverton | sml, haven't ever gotten that to work |
| 09:53.17 | Guerin | liable: because you can do that as non-root |
| 09:53.19 | epicenter | cafuego: I see. |
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| 09:53.36 | cafuego | epicenter: Keep in mind that following those instructions will break libc6 postinst scripts (but that's easily fixable) |
| 09:53.36 | PEACEYALL | liable here is my fstab line: /dev/sdb /media/ipod hfsplus rw,uid=peaceyall,user,umask=0002 0 0 , what should i dd to that? |
| 09:53.39 | PEACEYALL | add* |
| 09:53.48 | Guerin | PEACEYALL: man fstab |
| 09:53.49 | epicenter | cafuego: This seems to want me to make a new fake installation. I have a full i386 install on a partition |
| 09:54.02 | PEACEYALL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:55.04 | cafuego | epicenter: You can mount that, as long as you bind mount /proc and /home to the chroot. |
| 09:55.07 | liable | PEACEYALL: umask=0002 is the 2 supposed to be there? |
| 09:55.11 | Guerin | PEACEYALL: /dev/sdb might need group detail |
| 09:55.23 | epicenter | cafuego: What's that accomplish and how is it done? I don't see it outlined here. |
| 09:55.26 | Guerin | um, 0002 is about the weakest sane umask |
| 09:55.27 | PEACEYALL | liable , isnt 0002 , mean chmod 777 |
| 09:56.01 | liable | PEACEYALL: to tell you truth i thought 000 did that |
| 09:56.02 | chealer | peterS: ok, I never heard about bugger. I suppose you meant apt-get install bazaar |
| 09:56.07 | cafuego | epicenter: that givrs chrooted apps access to the kernel (useful) and temp files etc. |
| 09:56.12 | PEACEYALL | oh i read somewhere it was 0002 |
| 09:56.16 | silverton | where do I pass "-o loop" in fstab? |
| 09:56.18 | cafuego | epicenter: Oh yeah, you need to bind mount /tmp too |
| 09:56.18 | peterS | chealer: yeah, that's what I meant. bugger isn't publicly released yet actually |
| 09:56.20 | silverton | under <options> ? |
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| 09:56.25 | PEACEYALL | and 0002 works |
| 09:56.34 | chealer | peterS: do you know of doc about it? |
| 09:56.36 | cafuego | epicenter: Scroll down to "Running applications inside the chroot (e.g. OpenOffice.org)" |
| 09:56.38 | Guerin | silverton: 1 |
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| 09:56.52 | silverton | Guerin, eh...? |
| 09:56.56 | peterS | chealer: no, there's just the source. I'm trying to dig up where the other developer's arch archive is but I can't find it at the moment |
| 09:57.08 | Guerin | silverton: 1 = affirmative = yes |
| 09:57.19 | silverton | Guerin, alrighty then :) |
| 09:57.47 | cafuego | epicenter: i have no issues runnign stuff in the chroot. Even SimCity 4 runs fine via cedega in the chroot. |
| 09:57.47 | PEACEYALL | anywayz , liable , each time i do mount /dev/sdb it sas need to be superuser to mount , isnt my fstab correct |
| 09:57.47 | PEACEYALL | ? |
| 09:57.49 | chealer | peterS: ok but don't worry, whatever you talk about seems quite complicated for me :) |
| 09:58.00 | epicenter | hrmmmmm. |
| 09:58.04 | chealer | peterS: I think I'll at least wait that it's "official" |
| 09:58.14 | cafuego | epicenter: Alternatively, just boot the 32bit system, that will run fine. |
| 09:58.33 | peterS | chealer: when bugger is finished it will rock. for keeping track of bugs to a specific package anyway. it won't replace the BTS for general queries |
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| 09:59.11 | epicenter | cafuego: yeah, it's a pain to shift to 32-bit every time I want to run Quake or Firefox with flash though |
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| 09:59.40 | epicenter | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.40 | epicenter | ? |
| 09:59.48 | epicenter | and do I run the mount commands in the chroot or outside? |
| 09:59.59 | cafuego | epicenter: Again, the chroot setup as outlined in that FAQ solves the problem fine. You can run 'dchroot -d -q mozilla-firefox' ru run the 32bit ff from the chroot transparently. |
| 10:00.12 | epicenter | I still need all these bind mounts though? |
| 10:00.13 | cafuego | epicenter: You run those OUTSIDE |
| 10:00.30 | cafuego | epicenter: Yes. /proc, /tmp and /home as a minimum. |
| 10:00.32 | epicenter | what do these accomplish? It's not explained. |
| 10:00.53 | cafuego | epicenter: They allow access to critical files |
| 10:01.00 | epicenter | in "dchroot -d -q mozilla-firefox" ......... no path is specified |
| 10:01.03 | epicenter | isn't one needed? |
| 10:01.06 | epicenter | one to the chroot dir? |
| 10:01.08 | epicenter | or partitio |
| 10:01.09 | epicenter | n |
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| 10:01.24 | cafuego | epicenter: dchroot loads your $SHELLrc file in the chroot, thene xecutes the command. |
| 10:01.36 | sml | firefox 0wns. |
| 10:01.38 | cafuego | epicenter: Just read the FAQ, it's all there. |
| 10:01.43 | epicenter | OK, thanks. |
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| 10:02.02 | PEACEYALL | liable u there? |
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| 10:02.07 | skip_ | I've created a new partition but for some reason the system has used about 500 MB of it, even though I've copied nothing to the partition. Is this some sort of administrative overhead? |
| 10:02.08 | cafuego | epicenter: Just use your /mnt/whatever rather then /var/chroot |
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| 10:02.56 | liable | PEACEYALL: yep, just playing with my camera and having a moment with it :) |
| 10:03.01 | PEACEYALL | lol |
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| 10:03.14 | PEACEYALL | well why do u think i cant mount as a non root? |
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| 10:04.18 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: is your mount not suid maybe? |
| 10:04.31 | PEACEYALL | wwats suid |
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| 10:04.36 | silverton | why is my physical memory usage 99% right after a fresh reboot? |
| 10:04.43 | cafuego | silverton: cache? |
| 10:04.56 | silverton | cafuego, flushable? |
| 10:04.57 | Guerin | !tell silverton about free ram |
| 10:04.59 | epicenter | the FAQ doesn't list anywhere where $SHELLrc is defined. |
| 10:05.11 | mc-rocks | is swap used? |
| 10:05.13 | cafuego | epicenter: That's irrelevant. |
| 10:05.23 | cafuego | silverton: cache is always flushable. |
| 10:05.25 | epicenter | how will dechroot know where to find the dir? |
| 10:05.36 | cafuego | epicenter: Via the config file, which the FAQ mentions. |
| 10:05.58 | epicenter | I don't see one mentioned; mostly just stuff about how to install packages into the chroot. |
| 10:06.13 | cafuego | epicenter: Do a search for 'dchroot.conf' |
| 10:06.19 | silverton | Guerin, so the number under "cached" is the amount available to programs? |
| 10:06.45 | cafuego | silverton: Actual ram minus cached is what's available to applications. |
| 10:06.51 | epicenter | ahhhhhh OK |
| 10:06.55 | Guerin | silverton: read the middle line of 'free' |
| 10:06.55 | epicenter | sorry for being so dense. It's late ;D |
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| 10:07.16 | silverton | mmmhmm...okay |
| 10:07.17 | nevyn | cheal: umm free ram + cached is what's availible. |
| 10:07.24 | Guerin | +buffers |
| 10:07.33 | nevyn | yeah +buffers. |
| 10:07.45 | citral | as dpkg told, cached will be available if a programm needs it |
| 10:08.00 | PEACEYALL | cafuego , how do i make my mount suid? |
| 10:08.09 | cheal | nevyn: hum are you really talking to me? I lost connection since "(06:02:53) epicenter: and do I run the mount commands in the chroot or outside?" |
| 10:08.12 | cafuego | silverton: it's just that unused (free, not buffer) rma is a waste of money |
| 10:08.26 | nevyn | cheal: no... |
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| 10:08.40 | nevyn | cheal: autocomplete screwed me. |
| 10:08.44 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: 'ls -l /bin/mount' |
| 10:08.48 | cheal | np |
| 10:08.50 | liable | PP/me realises his usb mounting is fucked and goes to investigate :( |
| 10:08.53 | silverton | cafuego, good point |
| 10:09.21 | nevyn | far better to cache disk accesses with ram than have it sitting as DEADBEEF. |
| 10:09.23 | PEACEYALL | cafuego, i got this: "-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 76888 2004-09-24 08:34 /bin/mount |
| 10:09.24 | PEACEYALL | " |
| 10:09.25 | citral | liable: oh c'mon, don't be sad... searching and fixing is fun :) |
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| 10:09.36 | cafuego | silverton: Most of that cache is clean, and has already been flushed to disk. That way if an app needs ram, it can simply be freed. |
| 10:09.40 | nevyn | *only on s/390 other conditions may apply |
| 10:09.46 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: Do you recall when you broke your system? |
| 10:09.58 | PEACEYALL | no |
| 10:09.59 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 10:10.14 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: Those permissions mean ANYONE can overwrite /bin/mount |
| 10:10.15 | silverton | Now, ram "problem' solved, now if only ya'll could help me with this beast locking up every now and then |
| 10:10.21 | PEACEYALL | oh |
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| 10:10.29 | PEACEYALL | ya i think i changed that about 4 months ago |
| 10:10.30 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 10:10.30 | silverton | it just did it tonight while trying to mount an ISO |
| 10:10.31 | PEACEYALL | lol |
| 10:10.32 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: Which is BAD with a capital BAD. |
| 10:10.52 | cafuego | silverton: Nothing in /var/log ? |
| 10:10.58 | PEACEYALL | ok well what should i do? |
| 10:11.06 | liable | citral: not sad, confused :) used to work, but me thinks ive done a dodgy kernel oops |
| 10:11.15 | jethro | 777 should not be accepted by chmod |
| 10:11.16 | silverton | cafuego, what would I be looking for? |
| 10:11.24 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: 'ls -l /sbin/init' |
| 10:11.35 | cafuego | silverton: Anything out of the ordinary? ;-) |
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| 10:11.49 | silverton | I see a bunch of log files... |
| 10:11.53 | PEACEYALL | i got : -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 31432 2005-01-05 02:43 /sbin/init |
| 10:12.02 | cafuego | silverton: kern.log and syslog |
| 10:12.09 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: Ok, that one's fine. |
| 10:12.11 | silverton | yup, have both of those |
| 10:12.24 | silverton | kern.log, kern.log.0, syslog, syslog.o, syslog.1.gz |
| 10:12.25 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: For now, as root, run 'chmod 4755 /bin/mount' |
| 10:12.37 | PEACEYALL | u mean 755 or 4755 |
| 10:12.37 | silverton | er, *syslog.0 |
| 10:12.37 | PEACEYALL | ? |
| 10:12.46 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: 4755 |
| 10:12.52 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: That's why i typed 4755 |
| 10:12.53 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 10:13.03 | PEACEYALL | what is 4755 , never heard of it |
| 10:13.32 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: the '4' is one of the special perms. 4 means setuid, 2 means getgid, 1 means sticky |
| 10:13.43 | PEACEYALL | oh ok |
| 10:13.45 | PEACEYALL | donne |
| 10:13.55 | cafuego | silverton: the ones with digits are older ones, archived by logrotate. |
| 10:14.05 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: Note how you na magically mount the ipod as user. |
| 10:14.09 | cafuego | s/na/can/ |
| 10:14.11 | silverton | how do I get to the end of a file in vim real quick? |
| 10:14.17 | PEACEYALL | ok ill seee |
| 10:14.17 | cafuego | silverton: shift-G |
| 10:14.17 | PEACEYALL | lol |
| 10:14.26 | silverton | I'm at line 15000 and only 1% of the document >.< |
| 10:14.34 | cafuego | silverton: <heh> |
| 10:14.36 | PEACEYALL | cool it worked |
| 10:14.37 | PEACEYALL | :;/ |
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| 10:14.51 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: of course, I'm a professional <heh> |
| 10:15.11 | PEACEYALL | lol , ok now cafuego how can i do it to mount automatically when i plug it in? |
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| 10:15.30 | yoc | anyone help me to use sz/rz? |
| 10:15.35 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: That's scary automounter stuff. I don't use amd |
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| 10:15.56 | FlimFlamMan | on debian-testing, evolution doesn't support https:// for remote calendars. does evolution not support this or does the debian package just not compile it in? |
| 10:15.56 | PEACEYALL | ok |
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| 10:16.03 | PEACEYALL | lol |
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| 10:16.47 | [Lightning] | how do you check a reiserfs partition wich is "/" ? |
| 10:16.48 | PEACEYALL | now one more prroblem , as user if i type eject /dev/sdb , it sas invalid argument but as su no |
| 10:16.49 | silverton | Apr 14 02:40:59 localhost kernel: hermes @ MEM 0xe08c0000: Error -16 issuing command. |
| 10:16.54 | silverton | What do those mean? |
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| 10:17.02 | nomed^ | hi |
| 10:17.06 | PEACEYALL | hi |
| 10:17.07 | silverton | I see a crap load of them |
| 10:17.07 | cafuego | silverton: wifi? |
| 10:17.14 | silverton | yes I do |
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| 10:17.50 | cartel_ | anyone know a way to redirect standard output to a log file and still display it |
| 10:17.54 | yoc | anyone help me to use sz/rz? |
| 10:17.57 | yoc | thanks |
| 10:18.01 | cartel_ | standard output for instance on an interactive shell |
| 10:18.02 | nomed^ | how can i rename multiple files with extension JPG as jpg? |
| 10:18.11 | cheal | cartel_: probably tee |
| 10:18.13 | cartel_ | like tee |
| 10:18.35 | silverton | cafuego, could the wifi card be my problem? |
| 10:18.45 | cartel_ | cheal1: bash | tee log doesnt work that well, i get no prompts |
| 10:18.53 | PEACEYALL | ccafuego , when i type eject /dev/sdb , i get invalid argument but when i do it as root i dont get invalid argument... |
| 10:19.00 | silverton | because, I have the wifi applet, and whenever the lock up happens, it says 'N/A' |
| 10:19.14 | cafuego | silverton: See if you can make it use the orinoco driver as opposed to the hermes one. |
| 10:19.34 | silverton | cafuego, how? |
| 10:19.35 | cartel_ | cheal1: im trying to record the output from an interactive session |
| 10:19.41 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: That's because you don't have write access to /dev/hdb, but root does. |
| 10:19.43 | cartel_ | cheal1: im doing build prototyping |
| 10:19.46 | cafuego | silverton: pcmcia? |
| 10:19.52 | jm_ | cartel_: man script |
| 10:19.53 | silverton | cafuego, pci |
| 10:19.59 | paulswm | liable: Hopefully, you're not compiling *at work* :P |
| 10:19.59 | cartel_ | jm_: script? |
| 10:20.07 | jm_ | cartel_: yes, that's what I said |
| 10:20.12 | PEACEYALL | cafuego i do have write aceess to /dev/sdb , its 777 |
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| 10:20.34 | cafuego | silverton: Probably via aliases |
| 10:20.43 | silverton | cafuego, ::boggle:: |
| 10:20.45 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: That's is also BAD with a capital BAD |
| 10:20.52 | cartel_ | jm_: you RULE thanks a lot!!!!!! |
| 10:21.01 | liable | paulswm: hah, no, night time here. |
| 10:21.07 | cartel_ | thats exactly what i wanted thx man :D |
| 10:21.16 | PEACEYALL | cafuego , but its just the hardrive of the ipod , how is that BAD |
| 10:21.21 | jm_ | cartel_: there's also ttyrec if you want to be able to save timing info and so on |
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| 10:21.38 | cartel_ | jm_: i would like to be able to record all input/output for root |
| 10:21.41 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: *anyone* can write to the raw disk device now |
| 10:21.47 | cartel_ | jm_: interactive root shells |
| 10:21.47 | [Lightning] | how to check a partition on wich the system is installed ? |
| 10:21.55 | cartel_ | jm_: is there a way to do that? |
| 10:21.58 | cafuego | [Lightning]: mount it read-only. |
| 10:22.07 | cafuego | [Lightning]: Note that fscking reiser is fairly useless |
| 10:22.17 | cartel_ | jm_: script in my .bashrc? |
| 10:22.21 | PEACEYALL | lol , anywayz cafuego how can i not make it say invalid argument |
| 10:22.26 | jm_ | cartel_: well there's also ttysnoop |
| 10:22.26 | Caeies[taff] | somebody succeed in building 32 bit kernel under AMD64 64 bit kernel with make-kpkg ? |
| 10:22.30 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: run it as root |
| 10:22.30 | paulswm | liable: Oh, of course, you're in Oz, 0622 here in Florida |
| 10:22.46 | PEACEYALL | cafuego , thatts the reason i dont want to run it as root ::/// |
| 10:22.52 | Caeies[taff] | depmod is failling ... |
| 10:22.58 | liable | paulswm: yep, beers tasting good :) |
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| 10:23.28 | cafuego | !VBsmite liable |
| 10:23.34 | liable | heh |
| 10:23.35 | cartel_ | jm_ thanx |
| 10:23.36 | [Lightning] | thanks cafuego :) |
| 10:23.48 | cartel_ | jm_ no more repetitive builds :) |
| 10:24.01 | jm_ | cartel_: how is this related to builds? |
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| 10:24.08 | liable | cafuego: how did you know I drank vomit bombs |
| 10:24.11 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: Well, maybe you can make 'eject' be mode 4755 |
| 10:24.19 | cartel_ | jm_ i do all my builds from console using debootstrap |
| 10:24.22 | PEACEYALL | i checked i cant fione /bin/eject |
| 10:24.35 | cartel_ | jm_ up until now i have been doing them largely by hand since my scripts arent that good |
| 10:24.39 | cafuego | liable: comindico dialup user, small leap of deduction |
| 10:24.52 | cartel_ | jm_ now i can view my sessions and build better scripts based on how id do things by hand |
| 10:25.01 | liable | paulswm: aussie slang mate :) |
| 10:25.08 | cartel_ | jm_ server builds.. |
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| 10:25.15 | jm_ | cartel_: ahh, installations |
| 10:25.28 | sml | speaking of bombs i wonder if google bombs are still easy to do ? |
| 10:25.34 | Guerin | paulswm: victoria bitter = VB = ~ |
| 10:25.42 | cafuego | PEACEYALL: run 'which eject' to see where it is. |
| 10:25.49 | Guerin | paulswm: a brand of very cheap, nasty beer |
| 10:25.51 | cartel_ | jm_ my scripts will get made into debian metapackages for configuring tasks on servers |
| 10:25.52 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 10:26.00 | cafuego | Guerin: Pff. It's not piss, mate. |
| 10:26.08 | jm_ | cartel_: hmm but doesn't d-i already support pre-seeding? |
| 10:26.14 | cartel_ | jm_ package depends on lots of stuff (samba, apache for instance) |
| 10:26.25 | Guerin | it's not as bad as asian or american beer, but it's pretty godawful compared to beer from civilised countries |
| 10:26.32 | liable | Guerin: thats a bit harsh, and its not bloody cheap where I am either |
| 10:26.33 | cartel_ | then in postinst configures itself |
| 10:26.36 | Guerin | haha |
| 10:26.45 | jm_ | cartel_: I see, should be useful for some people |
| 10:26.46 | cartel_ | jm_ does it support dragging config data from an ldap |
| 10:26.55 | Guerin | liable: we used to drink it as teenagers because it was NZ$8.95/doz |
| 10:27.07 | jm_ | cartel_: no, from a file |
| 10:27.08 | cafuego | Guerin: That depends, it's fantastic compared to ANYTHING the british serve at room termperature ;-) (dpending on your definition of civilised) |
| 10:27.13 | Guerin | hah |
| 10:27.20 | cartel_ | jm_ ok, interesting ill take a look... pre seeding? |
| 10:27.27 | Guerin | the idea is that british rooms are COLD |
| 10:27.34 | liable | Guerin: geuss ive never grown up :) |
| 10:27.37 | jm_ | cartel_: well this is d-i specific, go to d-i site and then it's either in the FAQ or in the Wiki pages |
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| 10:27.41 | gahan | i'm using samba to share my files in windows network, but when someone tries to access my pc, it asks for login/pw, why? i wish they couyld see my shared folders w/o giving any informations except \\my.ip |
| 10:27.44 | cafuego | Guerin: I've NEVER been in a cold pub in the UK |
| 10:27.46 | epicenter | caphuso: That worked great! But how do I run a binary in the chroot that isn't a global like 'mozilla-firefox'? |
| 10:27.51 | epicenter | like /home/user/foo/bar |
| 10:27.52 | PEACEYALL | cafuego , thank you now its all fixed |
| 10:27.55 | Guerin | cafuego: oh, the idea != the reality |
| 10:28.00 | cafuego | epicenter: just pass the whole path |
| 10:28.02 | jm_ | cartel_: but now that you have explained it some more, I don't think this is the same thing you are doing |
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| 10:28.06 | epicenter | *cafuego sorry |
| 10:28.22 | cafuego | epicenter: dchroot -d -q /home/user/foo/bar |
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| 10:28.33 | epicenter | I did try that, it failed. didn't find it |
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| 10:28.44 | tshortall | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.52 | cafuego | epicenter: That will ONLY work if /home/user/foo/bar is actually *in* the chroot. |
| 10:28.54 | Guerin | !htfswk tshortall |
| 10:28.56 | dpkg | tshortall: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 10:29.01 | Guerin | !vmware |
| 10:29.01 | dpkg | it has been said that vmware is for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily |
| 10:29.02 | cafuego | tshortall: yes, it does. |
| 10:29.04 | epicenter | cafuego: t'is |
| 10:29.21 | cafuego | epicenter: 'dchroot-q; ls -al /home/user/foo/bar' |
| 10:29.25 | tshortall | i'm abpout to ask a debian related vmware question. just making sure i'm not doing sth stupid. take it easy |
| 10:29.43 | PitchForkLin | hey all, how come deb won't recognize a hardware raid1. I have motherboard with sata_sil hardware raid but when sarge install comes to partitions it shows two seperate scsi drive? |
| 10:29.57 | epicenter | No such file or directory |
| 10:30.02 | cartel_ | jm_: i was thinking about using FAI |
| 10:30.16 | tshortall | cafuego, thanks. the vmware site has just replaced all 4.5 docs with 5.0 docs so i can't find any info |
| 10:30.16 | cartel_ | jm_: perhaps i will use di as well :) |
| 10:30.31 | epicenter | dchroot-q; ls -al /home/epicenter shows my homedir's contents in my AMD64 install! |
| 10:30.36 | epicenter | the one outside chroot |
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| 10:32.19 | Caeies[taff] | PitchForkLin, you need to check the good option in BIOS |
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| 10:32.44 | epicenter | brb.. |
| 10:32.48 | Caeies[taff] | PitchForkLin, but even with this you will lose a lot's of time figuring why you can't see your CDROM |
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| 10:33.01 | taddeus | morning |
| 10:33.14 | Caeies[taff] | PitchForkLin, or If you are lucy not having ICH6 Should be ok |
| 10:33.24 | taddeus | anyone know about tom tom go gos software on linux ? |
| 10:33.42 | kang1 | if i want to run a program 'x' repeatly every N seconds, what is the shortest script to do that? |
| 10:33.44 | silverton | cafuego |
| 10:33.50 | silverton | hermes 8640 2 orinoco_pci,orinoco |
| 10:34.00 | e2e | Hi, my fonts seems turbid, i reconfigured fontconfig and tryed all choices, but it doesn't help. Bu i get this warning, during reconfiguring fontconfig: Not replacing deleted config file /etc/fonts/local.conf Could this be the problem? |
| 10:34.01 | silverton | doesn't that mean I'm using the orinoco module? |
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| 10:34.24 | PitchForkLin | Caeies what is that? I only have one option that is to enable or disable raid controller. I have it set to enable and then during boot I went into raid config menu. configured raid 1 then exited. Sarge still doesn't see it as on drive |
| 10:34.26 | paulswm | Guerin: Belated reply becuase I was googling. I discovered two things: (1) VB == Victoria Bitter, (2) Aussies talk *a lot* about beer, so may forums and blogs it's almost unbelievable :) |
| 10:34.45 | paulswm | s/may/many/ |
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| 10:35.14 | Nino | where can i edit the ip, gateway, dns of my just plugged in pcmcia ethernet card? |
| 10:35.21 | Guerin | paulswm: yes indeed |
| 10:35.29 | sml | Nino: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:35.32 | Guerin | they do like their beer |
| 10:35.38 | Guerin | they even make a few good ones |
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| 10:36.12 | Caeies[taff] | PitchForkLin, I have a lot's of trouble installing it on a shuttle, in process of recompiling the kernel due to fix in the next version of the kernel 2.6.9 for my hw |
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| 10:36.43 | Nino | sml: thx. is there a docu what to add to this file? |
| 10:37.14 | liable | paulswm: because beer is good :) |
| 10:37.18 | Caeies[taff] | PitchForkLin, you see 2 or more drives ? |
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| 10:37.31 | epicenter | cafuego: Now I am getting this oddness: |
| 10:37.32 | epicenter | epicenter@vortexqueen64:~$ dchroot -c ia32 -d mozilla-firefox |
| 10:37.32 | epicenter | (ia32) mozilla-firefox |
| 10:37.32 | epicenter | (firefox-bin:7805): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 10:37.34 | epicenter | dchroot: Child exited non-zero. |
| 10:37.36 | epicenter | dchroot: Operation failed. |
| 10:37.58 | Guerin | !fuck epicenter |
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| 10:38.06 | epicenter | ............ |
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| 10:38.16 | epicenter | neuter your bot |
| 10:38.19 | Guerin | epicenter: don't fucking paste; /msg dpkg paster |
| 10:38.26 | Guerin | epicenter: impossible |
| 10:38.32 | epicenter | k |
| 10:38.41 | kang1 | if i want to run a program 'x' repeatly every N seconds, what is the shortest script to do that? |
| 10:38.54 | epicenter | it's not like I ruined any thought provoking conversation |
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| 10:38.58 | Guerin | kang1: while true; do foo ; sleep n ; done |
| 10:39.17 | kang1 | Guerin: great, thanks. |
| 10:39.43 | Guerin | kang1: that WILL run infinitely and may crash your machine, depending on what the values of foo and n are |
| 10:39.46 | PitchForkLin | Caeies so are you telling me that I have to wait until Sarge comes out with an installer with the 2.9 kernel |
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| 10:40.15 | Guerin | 2.9? |
| 10:40.15 | kang1 | Guerin: oh no, that's C. i need unix command lang. |
| 10:40.22 | Guerin | kang1: that's bash |
| 10:40.25 | Guerin | the shell |
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| 10:40.50 | kang1 | it's so like C |
| 10:41.04 | Guerin | PitchForkLin: itym 2.6 - sarge does have installers with 2.6 kernels |
| 10:41.45 | jm_ | kang1: man watch |
| 10:42.00 | PitchForkLin | Guerin I know I have installed with 2.6.8-2-i686 but I can't get it to install to a hardware raid |
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| 10:42.07 | silverton | wtf? |
| 10:42.18 | silverton | sarge's netinst has 2.6 |
| 10:42.20 | kang1 | Guerin: foo is hddtemp, which is a prog to monitor hdisk temp. |
| 10:42.38 | Guerin | kang1: shouldn't hurt too badly then |
| 10:42.57 | silverton | oh, wait, nvm, read that wrong Guerin |
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| 10:44.01 | kang1 | jm_: what's in watch that sleep won't do? |
| 10:44.23 | directhex|work | PitchForkLin, what hardware raid is that? |
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| 10:44.43 | epicenter | cafuego: you there? |
| 10:45.04 | tshortall | anyone else got "slight difference between header files and kernel" when compiling the vmware modules. |
| 10:45.10 | silverton | epicenter, he's been idle for some time now |
| 10:45.15 | epicenter | oy |
| 10:45.17 | silverton | s/he* |
| 10:45.21 | directhex|work | tshortall, what does uname -r report, and whch kernel-headers package? |
| 10:45.28 | epicenter | s/he was just talking to me |
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| 10:45.35 | PitchForkLin | Guerin if I have a sata hardware raid 1 set up from bios, and I start sarge installer shouldn't the installer recognize the raid1 as a single drive in the partition manager |
| 10:45.50 | directhex|work | PitchForkLin, answer my question. |
| 10:45.54 | silverton | epicenter, * [cafuego] idle 00:16:22, |
| 10:46.02 | epicenter | ew |
| 10:46.03 | tshortall | directhex|work, Linux arrakis 2.6.11-1-686 #1 |
| 10:46.04 | silverton | 16 minutes ago isn't "just talking to me" ;) |
| 10:46.16 | tshortall | directhex|work, /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 10:46.20 | PitchForkLin | It is a sata sil harware raid |
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| 10:46.33 | PitchForkLin | sorry directhex |
| 10:46.34 | kenalex | hello |
| 10:46.38 | directhex|work | PitchForkLin, doesn't exist. all sii sata controllers do raid via a windows fakeraid driver |
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| 10:46.58 | PitchForkLin | ah.. ok |
| 10:47.00 | directhex|work | tshortall, i wouldn't be surprised at debian's 2.6.11 being iffy |
| 10:47.16 | silverton | I'm using the 2.6.11 kernel right now |
| 10:47.18 | amsterdam | munich will use debian ... |
| 10:47.27 | tshortall | ? as in they destabilised an ultra stable kernel ? :) |
| 10:47.54 | directhex|work | tshortall, yeah, 2.6.11 is really fucking stable. as long as you don't count all the modules that won't compile |
| 10:47.55 | kenalex | which debin release is the most stable |
| 10:48.02 | silverton | woody |
| 10:48.07 | PitchForkLin | so if I want to have a raid1 and be able to boot from it what raid controller do I need to go buy that will work with sata drives? |
| 10:48.10 | silverton | ^^^^ kenalex |
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| 10:48.47 | tshortall | directhex|work, thanks, wasn't aware of that. is that due to api changes? |
| 10:48.50 | Guerin | amsterdam: i thought they were using SuSE? |
| 10:49.06 | directhex|work | PitchForkLin, a high-end adaptec, or a 3ware |
| 10:49.20 | amsterdam | no, some minutes ago ... |
| 10:49.21 | amsterdam | http://www.muenchen.de/Rathaus/dir/limux/publikationen/news_archiv/127730/basis_client.html |
| 10:49.29 | directhex|work | tshortall, i dunno. all i know is i have a bucket of patches i need on 2.6.11 to make it usable |
| 10:49.30 | jm_ | kang1: nothing really |
| 10:49.34 | amsterdam | german only ... |
| 10:49.52 | Guerin | Nichts auf englisch? |
| 10:50.02 | PitchForkLin | directhex. thanks I'll go and get one today....then be back |
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| 10:50.27 | tshortall | directhex|work, odd. glad i'm not trying to do anything to strenous. i'll try 2.56.10 so. thanks for the info |
| 10:50.38 | Aronofsky | hi , I got a kernel panic with my new kernel and i don't get the reason why , i have all classical options ( ATA support , ext3 ... ) , but it seems my HD isn't recognize at all by kernel , any idea ? |
| 10:51.10 | directhex|work | Aronofsky, use a debian kernel image. |
| 10:51.32 | Guerin | amsterdam: that's pretty funky |
| 10:51.58 | covux | hi. i have a prob with the new logitech mouse feature in kde 3.4 (debian sid unofficial alioth-packages) i can set the sensor resolution to 800 cpi but after reboot its back to 400. could anyone confirm that and maybe help. thx |
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| 10:52.25 | Aronofsky | directhex|work, no i want to compile it manually |
| 10:52.40 | Guerin | covux: file a bug, if you can |
| 10:52.46 | raf256 | hi, Im using dd if=/dev/hda of=./disc_image.dd bs=1024KB count=9999999999 to dump entire HDD into image backup |
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| 10:52.58 | raf256 | dd will automaticly stop when it reaches end of disc /dev/hda ? |
| 10:53.04 | Guerin | covux: since it's nowhere near official debian yet, maybe you'd be best to talk to a mailing list of devs |
| 10:53.06 | hoe | raf256: yup |
| 10:53.15 | jm_ | raf256: no, it will jump to your neighbour's hard drive and continue there |
| 10:53.17 | directhex|work | no, it has a memory leak & will start overwriting everything at random |
| 10:53.30 | covux | Guerin: k. |
| 10:53.39 | hoe | raf256: if you don't use count, it surelly will stop |
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| 10:54.33 | silverton | wow |
| 10:54.38 | silverton | it's 4A.M. where I live |
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| 10:54.55 | raf256 | hoe thnx, so with count=999999999999 it will stop also, ofcourse |
| 10:55.03 | Momow | hi world :) |
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| 10:55.27 | Momow | t'as right |
| 10:55.30 | Momow | wow |
| 10:55.32 | Momow | that's |
| 10:55.46 | PerfDave | raf256: Why not use partimage for this? |
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| 10:56.16 | PerfDave | raf256: It supports on-the-fly compression, and works over a network if that would be advantageous to you. |
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| 11:00.05 | streuner_ | PerfDave: vacation? |
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| 11:01.08 | Livingroom | help |
| 11:01.16 | Livingroom | how do i mget a whole directory tree with the console ftp program? |
| 11:01.20 | silverton | escape the living room! |
| 11:01.26 | bowman | heya. quite OT, but does anyone know a channel where I find quake-for-linux experts? :) |
| 11:01.28 | PerfDave | streuner_: vacation is an e-mail autoresponder, not a partition imager. |
| 11:01.33 | sml | Livingroom: use lftp. |
| 11:01.43 | streuner_ | !dict vacation |
| 11:01.46 | dpkg | Dictionary 'vacation' (2): Vacation \Va*ca"tion\, n. [F., fr. L. vacatio a being free from a duty, service, etc., fr. vacare. See Vacate.] 1. The act of vacating; a making void or of no force; as, the vacation of an office or a charter. ;; 2. Intermission of a stated employment, procedure, or office; a period of intermission; rest; leisure.. |
| 11:01.51 | Livingroom | also how can i tell what the hell is taking up all my HD space |
| 11:01.57 | sml | Livingroom: du, df. |
| 11:02.02 | Livingroom | i have a 2.5g quota and i'm using 1.7 and i have no idea why |
| 11:02.20 | Arafangion | Livingroom: Might want to toss 'find' in there as well. |
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| 11:02.30 | PerfDave | streuner_: Do you mean "did I have a vacation"? |
| 11:02.31 | Livingroom | holy sh.... |
| 11:02.33 | Livingroom | DU rocks |
| 11:02.43 | streuner_ | PerfDave: of course |
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| 11:02.54 | Arafangion | Livingroom: 'find' should also be able to determine which files are whos. |
| 11:02.55 | Livingroom | how do i use find with du? |
| 11:03.00 | sml | Livingroom: If you think du rocks wait till you try ls! |
| 11:03.05 | Livingroom | sml: haha. |
| 11:03.39 | PerfDave | streuner_: No, I got +q'd on #debian by some retard with an @ sign, and figured I had better things to do with my life. I'm only here because my client auto-connected and I haven't bothered /part'ing yet. |
| 11:04.13 | sml | Livingroom: use du -hs to find out what directories are taking up the space, then you can use find to itenerise and locate the big files. where is the 1.7gb being used ? |
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| 11:05.17 | Livingroom | i see |
| 11:05.43 | Livingroom | du -hs isnt showing anything so far |
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| 11:06.09 | sml | PerfDave: Dunno why people use vacation when you have the awe inspiring procmail! |
| 11:06.15 | EkolSucram | i need help |
| 11:06.22 | sml | EkolSucram: Join the club |
| 11:06.26 | EkolSucram | i never use linus b4 |
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| 11:06.46 | hoe | hi all, how can I set new root password for mysql when the old one's forgotten, launching `mysqld --skip-grant-tables` didn't help |
| 11:06.47 | Livingroom | lftp looks cool |
| 11:06.49 | EkolSucram | linux .. need to know where to get the files and how to a clean hd instal |
| 11:07.02 | Livingroom | according to the help, mget -d is what i need? |
| 11:07.31 | sml | EkolSucram: www.linuxdoc.org |
| 11:08.01 | Aronofsky | when i boot with workin kernel i got detection hda (hd) hdd(cd), with the new kernel there is only hdd, it doesn't recognize the HD , what kernel option can missed ? |
| 11:08.03 | sml | EkolSucram: installation docs and iso's can be found at www.debian.org |
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| 11:08.37 | EkolSucram | thks sml .. i read the docs but i really am lousy at this i dont understand |
| 11:08.45 | sml | Aronofsky: compare the .config between the old kernel and new one. |
| 11:09.06 | EkolSucram | sml can i pm u? |
| 11:09.18 | Aronofsky | sml, I even load the .config file of the old kernel and it's still the smae |
| 11:09.27 | sml | EkolSucram: Not if it's to ask me how to install linux since the docs on www.debian.org do a better job than I. |
| 11:09.39 | EkolSucram | hmmz |
| 11:09.45 | Livingroom | sml: i think you said to use lftp, right? how do i recursively multi-get? |
| 11:09.47 | EkolSucram | ok ... i really am a dummy XD |
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| 11:10.23 | ecfx | Livingroom, mirror |
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| 11:10.24 | kernix | can someone give me a command line to close port 111 with iptables? tanks |
| 11:10.33 | sml | Livingroom: mirror |
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| 11:11.00 | Livingroom | omg |
| 11:11.03 | Livingroom | coolz0r |
| 11:11.06 | Livingroom | this is l33t. |
| 11:11.12 | streuner_ | kernix: just close the app which use it |
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| 11:11.36 | xiaogil | What is Internet 2 ? |
| 11:11.36 | sml | kernix: iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 111 -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset |
| 11:11.47 | kernix | streuner_, ok then, which app opens sunrpc? |
| 11:11.48 | streuner_ | kernix: but keep in mind, if you going to remove portmap you might have troubles to boot the system then... |
| 11:11.53 | xiaogil | How to get connected to internet 2 ? |
| 11:12.03 | sml | kernix: of course you can change the target to drop if you like but .. its not the nicer way. |
| 11:12.18 | Livingroom | sml: ecfx: thank you _SO_ much |
| 11:12.34 | ecfx | Livingroom, yea I know lftp's man page sucks |
| 11:12.35 | ecfx | lol |
| 11:12.35 | kernix | streuner_, sml: to close portmap or to use iptables? |
| 11:12.46 | ecfx | Livingroom, wait until you try and fxp |
| 11:12.52 | streuner_ | kernix: the first one, hint: NFS |
| 11:12.57 | Livingroom | ecfx: fxp? |
| 11:13.00 | kernix | ok. |
| 11:13.02 | ecfx | nevermind |
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| 11:13.25 | kernix | thanks |
| 11:13.32 | streuner_ | np |
| 11:13.36 | sml | god im hungry. time for me to go get f00d and b33r. |
| 11:13.51 | Livingroom | does du list file sizes in bytes or kbytes? |
| 11:13.56 | kernix | is there a way to know whether a user which I know his IP is trying to access my computer? |
| 11:13.59 | sml | Livingroom: use -h for human readable form |
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| 11:14.10 | sml | kernix: yes there is. |
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| 11:14.21 | sml | kernix: hint : tcpdump. |
| 11:14.41 | xiaogil | Why is there no Internet 2 in Europe ? |
| 11:15.00 | SJr|Tecra | Because europe is still caught between the modern ages and the dark ages |
| 11:15.08 | Livingroom | sml: is it possible also to show files only 10m and up? |
| 11:15.13 | kernix | sml: it's really really important to me right now, can you give me a way to use tcpdump? |
| 11:15.30 | streuner_ | SJr|Tecra: is your first name 'Donald'? :-) |
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| 11:16.04 | streuner_ | SJr|Tecra: you ever were in europe? |
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| 11:16.24 | SJr|Tecra | no its not |
| 11:16.25 | SJr|Tecra | :P |
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| 11:16.31 | SJr|Tecra | I'm just kidding streuner_ |
| 11:16.39 | SJr|Tecra | and no I've never been to europe |
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| 11:16.41 | sml | kernix: yes. man tcpdump and for once the man page is very good. |
| 11:16.42 | streuner_ | ok :-) |
| 11:16.50 | setog3 | !dpkg font |
| 11:16.50 | dpkg | 'fixed' is the one true font! |
| 11:16.59 | setog3 | !dpkg fonts |
| 11:16.59 | dpkg | methinks fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, http://www.dimensional.com/~bgiles/debian-tt.html (dead link) for TTF under Debian, and http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html and http://www.justlinux.com/bin/feature/story.pl?fid=1861565 or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html |
| 11:17.01 | bowman | if I do dpkg -l libc*, I get a lot of entries with "un" at the beginning - can I do something to remove those? |
| 11:17.14 | kernix | sml: thanks... |
| 11:17.33 | sml | kernix: on a simple level you can simply do , tcpdump -i eth0 src host foo and port bar -xX -s0 -nN |
| 11:17.41 | idnar | bowman: remove them from the output, you muean? |
| 11:17.51 | idnar | er, mean |
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| 11:18.09 | setog3 | hmm.. where can I modify the default font for all app menu (for gtk app, qt app , and others ) ? where can I modify this only for gtk ? |
| 11:18.13 | sml | kernix: and for matching packets use the filters provided not grep! |
| 11:18.21 | xelam | is cfdisk only compatible with x86 stuff? |
| 11:18.30 | bowman | idnar: yeah, but it would be even nicer if they weren't there at all ;) |
| 11:19.12 | liable | idnar: hah, dunno why, but you just reminded me of supertroopers |
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| 11:19.57 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 11:19.57 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
| 11:20.28 | Mash | hello |
| 11:21.11 | lao_tien | hi |
| 11:21.23 | lao_tien | guys I need some help |
| 11:21.30 | lao_tien | can anybody help me? |
| 11:21.31 | silverton | lao_tien, we all need help |
| 11:21.40 | setog3 | and me ? |
| 11:21.41 | simonrvn | just ask the question |
| 11:21.51 | lao_tien | oh, pls |
| 11:21.53 | PerfDave | lao_tien: If you tell us what your problem is, we might be able to help you. How do we know if you don't say what you need help with. |
| 11:22.14 | lao_tien | I just need to save the settings of my linux sesion on my hdd |
| 11:22.18 | silverton | kudos PerfDave, kudos |
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| 11:22.40 | Livingroom | ok sml i'm using lftp and it wont get some files, says stuff like mirror htdocs |
| 11:22.40 | Livingroom | Audio_files/old real: Getting directory contents (0) [Delaying before reconnect: 8] |
| 11:22.42 | PerfDave | lao_tien: What do you mean, "the settings of your linux session"? Are you using Knoppix by any chance? |
| 11:22.45 | simonrvn | um, linux session? |
| 11:23.03 | streuner_ | sounds like a knoppix question |
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| 11:23.13 | kuckuck | hi |
| 11:23.20 | lao_tien | yes |
| 11:23.20 | simonrvn | yes, it does. or other lice CD thingy |
| 11:23.24 | kuckuck | is there a debian testing install cd with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:23.25 | simonrvn | live* |
| 11:23.39 | streuner_ | kuckuck: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 11:23.43 | simonrvn | kuckuck: they all come with one, and you can install one |
| 11:23.45 | resiak | !tell lao_tien -about knoppix |
| 11:24.14 | kuckuck | But I need a boot cd which boots with a 2.6 kernel.... |
| 11:24.38 | directhex|work | kuckuck, so use a sarge cd. |
| 11:24.45 | silverton | kuckuck, type linux26 at the boot prompt |
| 11:24.45 | setog3 | ? |
| 11:25.42 | setog3 | hmm , in Xdefaults ? in gtkrc ? where can I modify the font for app like xchat , firefox , .. and others ? |
| 11:25.50 | sml | ok. pub! |
| 11:25.58 | lao_tien | so i use the line with "/msg...." ? |
| 11:26.03 | simonrvn | use switch2 in gtk-theme-switch package |
| 11:26.13 | resiak | lao_tien: No, you go to #knoppix |
| 11:26.29 | simonrvn | /join #knoppix |
| 11:26.33 | simonrvn | like that |
| 11:26.45 | setog3 | me simonrvn ? |
| 11:26.49 | kuckuck | thank you very much |
| 11:26.58 | simonrvn | setog3: yes |
| 11:27.10 | PerfDave | lao_tien: This is a channel for Debian; you're not using Debian, you're using Knoppix. #knoppix is the channel for asking questions about your Knoppix problem. |
| 11:27.24 | setog3 | ok I try , but there was no config file ? |
| 11:28.07 | simonrvn | there is one. but the switch2 binary makes the change take effect immediately instead of restarting x |
| 11:28.20 | simonrvn | same for switch |
| 11:28.20 | Livingroom | sml are you here? |
| 11:29.08 | Livingroom | also, is it tar -czf outputfile inputfile to create a tar.gz? |
| 11:29.09 | PerfDave | Livingroom: man tar? :) |
| 11:29.09 | tarzeau | Livingroom: yes |
| 11:29.25 | streuner_ | !tar |
| 11:29.25 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 11:29.43 | Rebecca | how do i roll back to a previous version of a package using apt? |
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| 11:29.52 | silverton | I always get the commands for extracting tar's mixed up |
| 11:30.00 | silverton | and I have to sit and think for a moment... "is it this one?" |
| 11:30.17 | simonrvn | after a while, you don't even think about it |
| 11:30.18 | streuner_ | Rebecca: you install them by using dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 11:30.26 | setog3 | ok thx simonrvn |
| 11:30.56 | Rebecca | streuner_: ok |
| 11:30.56 | streuner_ | Rebecca: what's the problem? |
| 11:31.11 | tarzeau | Rebecca: which package? |
| 11:31.37 | Rebecca | xmms |
| 11:31.38 | Livingroom | if i tar.gz 400m of data, and i only have 430m free on my quota, why does it take up all my space? |
| 11:31.39 | simonrvn | ap-get install --reinstall packagename=theversionincludingdebianversion. you might need to add snapshot.debian.net to sources.list |
| 11:31.42 | simonrvn | apt* |
| 11:31.52 | Rebecca | i installed the latest sid xmms and it's broken |
| 11:32.25 | setog3 | hmm simonrvn don't work for firefox |
| 11:32.31 | streuner_ | Rebecca: what does NOT work? |
| 11:32.44 | Rebecca | "i installed the latest version of xmms in the sid repositories (1.2.10) and it constantly skips throught the playlist. i cant pause it. and if i double click on something it plays for a fraction of a second then stops, and continues silently skipping throught the playlist" |
| 11:32.46 | simonrvn | no, it wouldn't. you have to restart firfox. it uses its own themes |
| 11:33.03 | PerfDave | Rebecca: "Software in Sid broken. Film at 11>" |
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| 11:33.10 | simonrvn | plonk |
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| 11:33.28 | PerfDave | Rebecca: Almost certainly caused by the files in the playlist not actually being there. Kill xmms from a console. |
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| 11:33.47 | Rebecca | PerfDave: they are there |
| 11:33.49 | setog3 | simonrvn, it uses its own theme ... I must edit some firefox conf file I think |
| 11:33.57 | WorkerII | I hope this is the right channel to ask. |
| 11:34.07 | WorkerII | My question is as follows: |
| 11:35.57 | PerfDave | Rebecca: Can the xmms user open them? Are you sure they're there? Have you double-checked by looking at the filename of a playlist entry? |
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| 11:35.58 | simonrvn | setog3: no. |
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| 11:35.59 | tim_h__ | when I want to add debug to a package I get the source an add --enable-debug to the debian/rules file, right? |
| 11:35.59 | Rebecca | PerfDave: yes, yes, yes |
| 11:35.59 | WorkerII | I don't want the old old version of jde in testing and unstable, I want jde 2.3.5, because some important bux have been fixed. How would I do that? |
| 11:36.00 | Livingroom | can someone please explain to me why when i try to create a tarfile for 435m of data, and i have 456m of drive space free, why it's using up ALL my drive space? |
| 11:36.00 | PerfDave | Rebecca: Then "software in sid broken, nobody surprised" |
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| 11:36.02 | PerfDave | !info jde sid |
| 11:36.02 | dpkg | jde: (JDEE, Java Development Environment for Emacs(en)), section contrib/devel, is optional. Version: 2.3.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1456 kB, Installed size: 3452 kB |
| 11:36.02 | cheal | Rebecca: just use another player while xmms is broken |
| 11:36.02 | Rebecca | PerfDave: fair enough.. i wasnt complaining about it being broken.. just trying to roll back to previous version |
| 11:36.02 | setog3 | simonrvn, no ? |
| 11:36.02 | PerfDave | Rebecca: You could always report a bug, you know. Or check the BTS. |
| 11:36.31 | streuner_ | Rebecca: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 11:37.00 | WorkerII | PerfDave : I wonder if its feasable to construct a custom package, because jde depends on so darn much, and when I have to keep it all up to date myself, its a lot of work. |
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| 11:37.24 | Rebecca | streuner_: hmm.. im guessing they dont have amd64 packages in there |
| 11:37.54 | anneliXli | i heard there is a image of an install cd with the new installer interface, how is it called? |
| 11:38.03 | streuner_ | Rebecca: in that case /j #debian-amd64, maybe someone there has an old version in his cache |
| 11:38.04 | EkolSucram | hmmz how do i install woody into a clean hdd? |
| 11:38.11 | WorkerII | PerfDave : Or maybe I can check which version is in experimental? (How?) |
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| 11:38.14 | EkolSucram | i cant seem to get the info on debian.org |
| 11:38.17 | nomed^ | hi |
| 11:38.22 | WorkerII | !info jde experimental |
| 11:38.24 | PerfDave | WorkerII: Depending on how serious the changes are between 2.3.3 and 2.3.5, it should be pretty trivial to make a 2.3.5 package. |
| 11:38.24 | nomed^ | update-rc.d ipmasq start 93 2 3 . stop 93 0 1 6 . |
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| 11:38.35 | PerfDave | WorkerII: If you have to ask how to use experimental packages, then don't. |
| 11:38.53 | nomed^ | why don't i see ipmasq in rc3.d and rc2.d? |
| 11:38.57 | WorkerII | PerfDave : Well, I don't know where they are. :) |
| 11:38.57 | EkolSucram | guys i need help its my 1st time insatlling linux |
| 11:39.01 | Rebecca | streuner_: ive been there for a coupld of weeks now ;) |
| 11:39.11 | silverton | EkolSucram, dude, the documents are there |
| 11:39.19 | EkolSucram | i dont understand |
| 11:39.23 | WorkerII | PerfDave : I guess I copy lines in sources.list and use experimental instead of testing. |
| 11:39.26 | EkolSucram | bcus i got the woody.iso file |
| 11:39.32 | PerfDave | WorkerII: You could also try hassling the maintainer, or following the procedure for dealing with an absent maintainer. |
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| 11:39.38 | silverton | the documentation to install debian, are on the site |
| 11:39.39 | PerfDave | WorkerII: You could, but you'd fuck your system so hard it's not even funny. |
| 11:39.40 | anneliXli | !info jde experimental |
| 11:39.42 | EkolSucram | but my laptop doesnt have a bootable cdrom |
| 11:39.45 | simonrvn | EkolSucram: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ has an install guide. follow it, and you won't go wrong. (it's easy too) |
| 11:40.02 | EkolSucram | kk i check that out |
| 11:40.12 | EkolSucram | imma a computer idiot |
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| 11:40.25 | WorkerII | PerfDave : OK .. btw .. I think I upgraded to unstable from sarge by mistake (syntax error in apt.conf) do you remember the correct syntax to prefer packages from testing? |
| 11:40.31 | kombi | the installer does not let me create partitions on a soft raid, why might that be? |
| 11:40.33 | PerfDave | WorkerII: Reinstalling. |
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| 11:40.36 | EkolSucram | thks |
| 11:40.58 | liable | sheesh 2.6.11 sucks, I cannot for the life of me get framebuffer working |
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| 11:41.25 | PerfDave | WorkerII: There are a number of options. You can download the source for the jde Debian package, replace the upstream 2.3.3 source with the new 2.3.5 source, and try building the package. You can compile 2.3.5 into /usr/local from upstream source and use equivs to let apt know it's there. |
| 11:41.27 | WorkerII | liable : Good thing 2.6.11 doesn't ship with Sarge, huh? :-) |
| 11:41.32 | kombi | do you first partition each member and then tie them to raid? |
| 11:41.36 | PerfDave | framebuffer sucks :) |
| 11:41.55 | liable | PerfDave: I like small text in me console |
| 11:42.07 | paulswm | Livingroom: tarfile size > data size, also filesystem block size may have an impact |
| 11:42.11 | WorkerII | PerfDave : I guess apt-get source jde might be a liable option. :) |
| 11:42.14 | PerfDave | liable: We have these things called xterms ;) |
| 11:42.27 | liable | bah |
| 11:42.28 | streuner_ | Rebecca: what does the people there told you? |
| 11:42.34 | PerfDave | WorkerII: That'll give you the source for the 2.3.3 package. You can read the Debian documentation to find out how to replace the upstream source within it. |
| 11:42.40 | cheal | why does everyone complain about 2.6.11? I'm running it, and I like it :) |
| 11:42.41 | streuner_ | Rebecca: s/does/did/ |
| 11:42.47 | WorkerII | PerfDave : Cool :) |
| 11:42.50 | kombi | is there a channel just for deb-installation? |
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| 11:43.01 | cheal | kombi: this one |
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| 11:43.52 | kombi | kewl.. can't get the partitions on my raid, what might I be doing wrong? |
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| 11:43.59 | PerfDave | WorkerII: However, it may well be worth hassling the maintainer by filing a wishlist bug for 2.3.5, and if that doesn't work following the inactive maintainer procedure. |
| 11:44.01 | kombi | cheal.. |
| 11:44.25 | cheal | kombi: that didn't mean I'll be able to help you |
| 11:44.28 | WorkerII | PerfDave : Interesting ... well, 2.3.5 was released in december. |
| 11:44.46 | kombi | domage.. |
| 11:44.56 | PerfDave | WorkerII: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=283509 can probably be taken as sufficient indication that the maintainer is inactive. |
| 11:45.17 | streuner_ | Rebecca: what version do you have (xmms)? |
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| 11:45.25 | tarzeau | cheal: on i386? |
| 11:45.43 | Rebecca | streuner_: 1.2.10 |
| 11:45.46 | WorkerII | PerfDave : So .. what do I do? Mail Debra and Ian and say "Hey, I wanna maintain this package a lot! ? |
| 11:45.47 | cheal | tarzeau: 2.6.11? yes |
| 11:46.03 | WorkerII | PerfDave : I guess you told me .. sorry |
| 11:46.08 | WorkerII | !im |
| 11:46.15 | streuner_ | Rebecca: NOT 1.2.10-cvs? |
| 11:46.20 | WorkerII | !inactive maintainer |
| 11:46.32 | Rebecca | streuner_: yeah, i think it is |
| 11:46.43 | PerfDave | WorkerII: If you want to maintain it yourself, read the Debian New Maintainer's Guide http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide |
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| 11:46.57 | streuner_ | Rebecca: whats the excact version? |
| 11:47.00 | WorkerII | PerfDave : Maybe I could find a sponsor and do a NMU? |
| 11:47.05 | alsh | Hello! I am trying to setup ssl-enabled Apache 2 (running debian testing). I have made a symlink of ssl.* to mods-enabled restarted apache and then tried to check it: |
| 11:47.07 | silverton | :'( I want gnome 2.10! |
| 11:47.07 | alsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.08 | alsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.10 | alsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.12 | alsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.13 | alsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.15 | alsh | Please give pointers to documentation of how to fix it. |
| 11:47.19 | PerfDave | dpkg, inactive maintainer is dealt with by the process outlined in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkging.en.html#s-mia-qa |
| 11:47.19 | dpkg | PerfDave: okay |
| 11:47.22 | cheal | Rebecca: you really sound like someone who shouldn't be using sid |
| 11:47.42 | alsh | (sorry for long post) |
| 11:47.50 | silverton | no one should b eusing sid ;) |
| 11:47.55 | streuner_ | dude, you are flooding the channel |
| 11:48.03 | WorkerII | alsh : Next time, use #FLOOD |
| 11:48.03 | PerfDave | alsh: Does netstat tell you that Apache is listening on 443? |
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| 11:48.09 | Rebecca | streuner_: ice:~# xmms -v |
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| 11:48.10 | Rebecca | xmms 1.2.10 |
| 11:48.16 | PerfDave | !tell WorkerII about inactive maintainer |
| 11:48.22 | WorkerII | thanks |
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| 11:48.31 | WorkerII | I'm reading the link right now, PerfDave :) |
| 11:48.35 | streuner_ | Rebecca: via 'dpkg -l xmms', but don't use that here |
| 11:48.41 | anneliXli | ah okay, the new debian installer is only devlivered together with sarge, mh? well, easy easy... |
| 11:48.59 | Rebecca | 1.2.10+cvs20050209-2 |
| 11:49.08 | cheal | Rebecca: you *really* sound like someone who shouldn't be using sid |
| 11:49.14 | streuner_ | Rebecca: no luck |
| 11:49.20 | silverton | whoa, I have xmms 1.2.10 |
| 11:49.20 | Rebecca | cheal: well.. i am |
| 11:49.40 | cheal | Rebecca: you should try to get sarge |
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| 11:49.59 | Rebecca | cheal: ill survive |
| 11:50.01 | silverton | I wonder how the hell that happened |
| 11:50.08 | silverton | Rebecca, do you use gnome? |
| 11:50.11 | _joey | when I insert a specific module on 2.6.x the device isn't getting created in /dev. How do I fix this problem? |
| 11:50.16 | Rebecca | silverton: i use kde |
| 11:50.24 | silverton | Rebecca, oh okay, nevermind then |
| 11:50.38 | silverton | well, you prolly still could |
| 11:50.43 | silverton | use rhythmbox |
| 11:50.47 | cheal | Rebecca: you use KDE, but XMMS instead of amaroK? |
| 11:50.59 | alsh | Okay. Now without flooding (sorry about that!). How to get apache2 with ssl running? I have setup up symlinks to ssl.* in mods-enabled and restarted apache. But in doesn't accept https connection. For example, "curl https://127.0.0.1" gives "couldn't connect to host". Where to look at? |
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| 11:51.24 | Rebecca | cheal: i dont have that instaled |
| 11:51.33 | petemc | alsh: /use/share/doc/apache2* , at a guess |
| 11:51.51 | cheal | !installit |
| 11:51.52 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 11:52.29 | Livingroom | for god's sake |
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| 11:52.37 | Rebecca | um.. thats kinda offencive.. |
| 11:52.49 | silverton | What is? |
| 11:52.50 | cheal | Rebecca: dpkg always sounds offensive |
| 11:52.52 | Livingroom | why is it that when i try to make a gzip file with data that is 400m in size, and i have 450m free space, WHY DOES IT TAKE ALL MY DISK SPACE ??!?! |
| 11:52.52 | streuner_ | Rebecca: apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 11:52.58 | silverton | oh right |
| 11:53.03 | silverton | dpkg is a heartless bastard |
| 11:53.08 | silverton | see, watch :D |
| 11:53.11 | silverton | !aol cheal |
| 11:53.20 | cheal | ouch |
| 11:53.21 | alsh | PerfDave: (I missed what you said at first) "netstat -ap | grep 443" gives me nothing... |
| 11:53.23 | silverton | god I love that :D |
| 11:53.25 | Rebecca | i know how to use apt-get. i started off with a base gui-less install |
| 11:53.34 | silverton | doesn't this one work too? |
| 11:53.37 | silverton | !fuck cheal |
| 11:53.45 | silverton | :D |
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| 11:53.55 | WorkerII | !maint jde |
| 11:53.57 | dpkg | jde: Masayuki Hatta (mhatta) <mhatta@debian.org> |
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| 11:54.03 | cheal | Rebecca: however nobody likes it when someone uses sid and comes asking for help due to using sid |
| 11:54.25 | Livingroom | cant anyone tell me why? |
| 11:54.30 | silverton | sid == bad |
| 11:54.36 | WorkerII | !mia-history |
| 11:54.36 | nevyn | hrm |
| 11:54.43 | blal | Does anyone know what would account for font sizes being smaller on X running on :1 than on X running on :0 ? |
| 11:54.45 | cheal | !anyone |
| 11:54.45 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 11:55.03 | Rebecca | cheal: i was just asking about rolling back the package.. which one would imagine should be trivial with such a wonderful package management system |
| 11:55.07 | blal | startx ==> normal-looking fonts; startx -- :1 ==> small fonts |
| 11:55.11 | WorkerII | !tell blal about polls |
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| 11:55.16 | cheal | !tell Rebecca about downgrade |
| 11:55.31 | silverton | nice |
| 11:55.33 | silverton | er... |
| 11:55.33 | silverton | yeah |
| 11:55.34 | silverton | nice |
| 11:55.35 | silverton | :x |
| 11:55.36 | silverton | wrong window |
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| 11:55.53 | WorkerII | How do I get mia-history installed? |
| 11:55.54 | sml | oh my god what a hangover |
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| 11:55.58 | streuner_ | Rebecca: do you have apt-listbugs installed? |
| 11:56.06 | blal | WorkerII : My question was clearly a request for tech. support, not a survey. What am I missing? |
| 11:56.20 | linoleum | ok , 1 question : evolution , or thunderbird ??? what is your choice guys ???? |
| 11:56.20 | liable | !beer sml |
| 11:56.29 | jvw | WorkerII: you don't, you mail mia@qa.debian.org instead |
| 11:56.35 | silverton | i like evolution |
| 11:56.46 | silverton | linoleum, use both, you decide |
| 11:56.55 | Rebecca | streuner_: i think i do, but i cant check atm (afaik) because im installing something |
| 11:57.03 | WorkerII | blal: You made a poll regarding to peoples knowledge on relative font sizes on :1 and :0. |
| 11:57.03 | linoleum | silverton, I did, but I can't choose :) |
| 11:57.19 | silverton | rock paper scissors? |
| 11:57.21 | WorkerII | jvw : That conflics with the documentation though? |
| 11:57.24 | silverton | tried that? |
| 11:57.32 | silverton | a coin toss |
| 11:57.37 | jvw | WorkerII: the documentation is for developers |
| 11:57.41 | silverton | roll of dice? |
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| 11:57.48 | WorkerII | jvw: "This system is available in /org/qa.debian.org/mia on the host qa.debian.org, and can be queried with a tool known as mia-history. By default, mia-history shows information about every person it knows about, but it accepts regular expressions as arguments which it uses to match user names." |
| 11:57.55 | WorkerII | oh |
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| 11:57.57 | jvw | WorkerII: because you asked 'how do I install mia-history', I concluded you're not one |
| 11:58.01 | nevyn | linoleum: neither. |
| 11:58.02 | WorkerII | jvw : I get it now |
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| 11:58.09 | EkolSucram | i formated my hdd using win95 boot disk ... how can i install woody? |
| 11:58.11 | WorkerII | jvw: You have access to a specific host! |
| 11:58.23 | blal | WorkerII : And if I phrased my question, "Why do fonts appear smaller on :1 than on :0? (i.e., startx ==> large fonts, startx -- :1 ==> small fonts)", that's a fundamentally different question? |
| 11:58.29 | jvw | WorkerII: yes, the database is private |
| 11:58.32 | silverton | EkolSucram, ! How many times do we have to tell you?! |
| 11:58.33 | linoleum | nevyn, ok , which one then??? |
| 11:58.35 | silverton | dear god man... |
| 11:58.37 | liable | EkolSucram: by getting an install disk? |
| 11:59.28 | nevyn | linoleum: mutt but it's probably not for you. |
| 11:59.28 | nevyn | it's more of a shelbyville idea. |
| 11:59.28 | WorkerII | jvw : So I mail that adress, and asked if Masayuki Hatta (mhatta) is KIA or something, right? |
| 11:59.28 | Rebecca | cheal: are you assuming i want to roll back to a sarge or woody package? because i would be happy with an earlier sid package |
| 11:59.32 | streuner_ | Rebecca: stop the installation process |
| 11:59.34 | blal | WorkerII : I'm afraid you are in error. |
| 11:59.43 | WorkerII | blal : I think not! |
| 11:59.46 | linoleum | nevyn, lol, I used mutt on my last débian for 1 years ... and I am tired of ugly interface |
| 11:59.52 | blal | WorkerII : /me agrees to disagree. |
| 11:59.53 | streuner_ | Rebecca: make sure you have apt-listbugs installed |
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| 11:59.57 | cheal | Rebecca: are you using sid or just the sid version of XMMS? |
| 12:00.13 | linoleum | nevyn, so you right, it's not for me now, I want to change.... |
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| 12:00.21 | streuner_ | cheal: she using amd64... |
| 12:00.28 | cheal | ah |
| 12:00.29 | WorkerII | blal : You're inquiering whether anyone knows .. is that not conducting a poll, when you ask the whole channel? |
| 12:00.31 | Rebecca | cheal: im using sid OS |
| 12:00.33 | blal | WorkerII : It sounds like you don't know the particulars about the X server finding fonts that relate to my question. |
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| 12:01.01 | liable | Rebecca: why dont you just remove --purge ximms and download the testing .deb and install it with dpkg? |
| 12:01.01 | WorkerII | blal : I wouldn't think the size would differ --- now you have one poll, 805 to go.. |
| 12:01.08 | WorkerII | blal : 804, even. |
| 12:01.25 | liable | without the i even |
| 12:01.33 | streuner_ | liable: amd64 prolly hasn't a testing version |
| 12:01.46 | sml | linoleum: mutt, ugly ? |
| 12:01.56 | sml | linoleum: change the colors! the default ones are crappy. |
| 12:02.03 | Rebecca | liable: well, im willing to try it |
| 12:02.04 | liable | streuner_: ok, dont mind me then, caught bits and pieces |
| 12:02.06 | linoleum | sml, lol :) |
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| 12:02.52 | WorkerII | !mia |
| 12:02.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, mia is missing in action. status of missing unknown. as opposed to KIA, POW, or AWOL. |
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| 12:03.53 | WorkerII | Hmm .. is this broke? |
| 12:03.53 | WorkerII | !pow |
| 12:03.53 | dpkg | [pow] is is is |
| 12:04.07 | kombi | installer says: "some modules for your hardware are missing", amoung them are ide-scsi, ide-mod and ide-detect. What do I do? |
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| 12:04.20 | WorkerII | !dict pow |
| 12:04.21 | blal | WorkerII : The sizes do differ. My box has this problem. That's why I came in here and made a request for assistance. :) |
| 12:04.22 | dpkg | could not find definition for pow |
| 12:04.40 | Virtual | how can I lookup a hostname from console ? like if I want to find out the ip address of yahoo.com |
| 12:04.47 | kombi | host |
| 12:04.48 | directhex|work | whois |
| 12:04.49 | Humbe | man host |
| 12:04.50 | directhex|work | that too |
| 12:04.54 | WorkerII | blal : Interesting! They're running same config, on same monitor etc. ? |
| 12:05.15 | WorkerII | blal : Same WM |
| 12:05.30 | WorkerII | blal: Same display manager? |
| 12:05.33 | blal | Virtual : I recommend dig for hostnames. It has lots of crap that geeks love... |
| 12:06.15 | Virtual | dig ? |
| 12:06.18 | blal | WorkerII : True on all counts! Same hardware, XF86Config-4, font servers, xfce4... Your basic Linux-on-an-i386 configuration. |
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| 12:06.44 | WorkerII | blal: That strikes me as stange! |
| 12:06.52 | WorkerII | blal: What do you use for loginmanager? |
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| 12:06.53 | blal | Virtual : It's in package "dnsutils". aptitude install dnsutils |
| 12:07.15 | blal | WorkerII : xdm, although the problem occurred when I was doing startx (vs. startx -- :1). |
| 12:07.23 | Wille88_ | anyone experienced with nfs? |
| 12:07.26 | peterrooney | Virtual: don't forget traceroute -I :) |
| 12:07.37 | Virtual | :D |
| 12:07.52 | WorkerII | blal: Have you tried "startx -- :0" after starting the second display manager? |
| 12:08.24 | WorkerII | blal : (To see if its something in your GFX card that doesn't get reset properly). |
| 12:08.44 | WorkerII | blal : Which hardware *do* you have btw? |
| 12:08.56 | DiegoElias | to run bind9 with more security i need to run like chrooted? |
| 12:09.13 | Virtual | blal: where can I see all that the dnsutils package contains, dig is pretty cool |
| 12:09.30 | blal | WorkerII : To clarify: one instance of xdm was running on :0, and logging in to the console (VT1 thru VT6) and running "startx -- :1" gets me the small fonts. Earlier, when I wasn't using xdm at all, "startx" and "startx -- :1" gave me large and small fonts, respectively. |
| 12:09.56 | blal | Virtual : packages.debian.org is a good start, I think. |
| 12:10.07 | Virtual | thanks |
| 12:10.36 | blal | WorkerII : Creative S3 Savage4, AMD K6-2, what else? |
| 12:10.54 | blal | Gotta' get ready for work, all. |
| 12:10.55 | Epse | Hi can anyone help me? Im trying to get my Lexmark OptraS 1855 to get working with PCL but the PPD file from Linuxprinting only does PS |
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| 12:11.10 | blal | WorkerII : It's true, I don't know why this font thing is happening. |
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| 12:11.27 | streuner_ | Epse: /msg dpkg cups |
| 12:11.34 | blal | Thanks for your help, all (at least your general willingness). |
| 12:12.27 | Epse | streuner I ve cups installed withe the foomatic driver package... / Ich habe cups intalliert |
| 12:12.30 | WorkerII | blal: Well .. I was fetching a cup of coffee .. was going to give you a link. |
| 12:12.30 | sml | CUPS is sexy, mutt is ugly and DU (sic) rocks. I've heard it all today. |
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| 12:12.58 | streuner_ | Epse: so? |
| 12:13.06 | Wille88_ | why my nfs-server's loads are like this when I run for example apt-get dist-upgrade: load average: 5.03, 4.23, 3.18 |
| 12:13.08 | billyoc | sml: Democratic Underground? |
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| 12:14.01 | liable | oh well, at least I got my stupid usb camera to mount now :) |
| 12:14.06 | WorkerII | Is there a place / channel .. where someone will "hold my hand" while I package jde? |
| 12:14.10 | Epse | ja.. |
| 12:14.46 | WorkerII | Epse: Where? |
| 12:15.06 | streuner_ | Epse: try 'apt-get install foomatic-gui' |
| 12:15.19 | Humbe | WorkerII: Try an escort service :) |
| 12:15.24 | Epse | hmmm thast an idea... one moment |
| 12:15.28 | Rebecca | streuner_: yeah, i had apt-listbugs installed |
| 12:15.34 | WorkerII | Humbe : Hehe |
| 12:15.50 | WorkerII | Humbe : I quoted it on purpose :-P |
| 12:16.08 | WorkerII | Humbe : And for a reason too. =) |
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| 12:17.00 | streuner_ | Epse: parallel? |
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| 12:17.17 | Epse | no... its a network printer |
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| 12:18.30 | WorkerII | Epse : Good. Hopefully no windows machine is responsible for it? |
| 12:18.51 | arangel | hi, I have woody setup on several workstations, I have a LDAP conifigured on the server, and all the clients login to the servers nfs /home directory using pam and kdm.. I tried to copy the same setup and only change kdm > gdm and It's not working, can anyone help or suggest a good documentation for doing this? |
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| 12:19.07 | Epse | ... of course not... ive only debian on my systems arround here. |
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| 12:19.30 | WorkerII | Epse : Thats the way to do it. :) |
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| 12:20.06 | Humbe | arangel: Why is login/nfs X11 related at all? |
| 12:20.07 | DiegoElias | to run bind9 with more security i need to run like chrooted? |
| 12:20.38 | arangel | HmJ, its not, i was trying to describe the setup |
| 12:20.43 | arangel | Humbe, sorry |
| 12:20.59 | Epse | hmm any chance to get foomatic-gui running without root? |
| 12:21.19 | arangel | the thing is, i need gdm to replace kdm withe the same configuration |
| 12:21.20 | morgajelWork | I do believe dpkg is borked. |
| 12:22.07 | cbr | doesnt debian have a package for enemy-territory? |
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| 12:23.44 | cheal | cbr: is it open source? |
| 12:24.13 | cbr | dont think so |
| 12:24.18 | directhex|work | cbr, no, it doesn't. get the .run from ftp.idsoftware.com, install to /usr/local/ |
| 12:24.21 | BadMan | cbr: no you have to do it yourself... |
| 12:24.22 | kombi | will sarge install on a s-ata system? |
| 12:24.22 | cheal | then no, it doesn't |
| 12:24.35 | directhex|work | kombi, yes, but USE THE 2.6 KERNEL BOOT OPTION |
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| 12:24.57 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 12:24.58 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
| 12:24.58 | BadMan | cbr: but it's almost painless to setup other than sound, doesn't like arts and preferes oss |
| 12:25.00 | kombi | directhex|work: did that, but it seems the hd is not found |
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| 12:25.05 | tarzeau | takatumi! |
| 12:25.12 | cbr | arts is bad anyway |
| 12:25.14 | sml | heya BadMan |
| 12:25.18 | takatumi | tarzeau: howdy pardner? |
| 12:25.19 | tactless | What's a quick way to make a .ps file two-sided? |
| 12:25.22 | cbr | it should use alsa |
| 12:25.28 | BadMan | cbr: ETF was easier than Fuhquake... |
| 12:25.38 | BadMan | and fuhquake aint running still |
| 12:25.45 | BadMan | morning sml |
| 12:25.46 | tarzeau | takatumi: pretty well, thanks. |
| 12:25.49 | directhex|work | kombi, which controller? |
| 12:25.51 | cbr | i had o problem with ET |
| 12:25.54 | cbr | *no |
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| 12:26.19 | kombi | directhex|work: via something, just a sec I look it up |
| 12:26.20 | BadMan | hell I still cant get that damn java installer to work on fuhquake... |
| 12:27.00 | BadMan | insists that a JVM can't be found |
| 12:27.37 | BadMan | oh, a "suitable" JVM |
| 12:27.38 | kombi | directhex|work: via vt8237 |
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| 12:28.04 | rmrfchik | how can I fight with "ALSA: underrun"? |
| 12:29.08 | rmrfchik | When I switch windows in x11, my mg123 reports "ALSA: underrun" and sound skips |
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| 12:29.40 | directhex|work | rmrfchik, increase the buffers size in your asound.conf |
| 12:29.50 | directhex|work | kombi, try switching to a terminal, and modprobe sata_via |
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| 12:29.59 | Phati`sunshine- | !de |
| 12:29.59 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 12:30.18 | kombi | directhex|work: how do you switch to a terminal from the installer? |
| 12:30.27 | PEACEYALL | how do i send a file via bluetooth in debian? |
| 12:30.31 | anneliXli | lol |
| 12:30.32 | rmrfchik | directhex|work: asound.conf is system-wide file? |
| 12:30.39 | directhex|work | kombi, same way you always do, with ctrl-alt-f? |
| 12:30.40 | sml | kombi: alt-fx where f>=1 |
| 12:30.45 | sml | s/1/2 |
| 12:30.52 | directhex|work | rmrfchik, yes. ~/.asoundrc for per-user settings |
| 12:30.54 | kombi | kewl.. |
| 12:30.59 | sml | kombi: your alt keys and numbers change your vts |
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| 12:31.34 | rmrfchik | directhex|work: I haven't such file. can you give sample? |
| 12:32.03 | directhex|work | PEACEYALL, i'd install gnome-bluetooth-manager from http://debian.usefulinc.com/ - then use gnome-obex-send |
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| 12:32.27 | CAiRO | is there a way to find out which network connection is using how much bandwidth? eg when i have a rooter, how do i find out how much bandwidth a single client uses in realtime (i don't need stats, just the current values) |
| 12:32.38 | directhex|work | rmrfchik, try the alsa-project website. or my old config at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 12:32.43 | kombi | directhex|work: no output from modprobe sata_via |
| 12:32.50 | directhex|work | kombi, no output means no errors. |
| 12:33.04 | kombi | ahem.. |
| 12:33.07 | directhex|work | kombi, now go back to the installer, try going to the disk selection bit again |
| 12:33.16 | kombi | there.. |
| 12:33.16 | tuxyRochefort | how to limit download of apt-get on debian ? |
| 12:33.23 | directhex|work | tuxyRochefort, meaning? |
| 12:34.13 | PerfDave | PEACEYALL: obexftp on the command line works nicely |
| 12:34.16 | tuxyRochefort | directhex|work, wget --passive-ftp --limit-rate=20k $url |
| 12:34.21 | kombi | directhex|work: I stand corrected, drives ARE recognized, just can't be partitioned |
| 12:34.46 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 12:34.47 | directhex|work | kombi, are you using some kind of fakeraid setup? |
| 12:35.24 | kombi | directhex|work: the box has it, I want to do softraid though |
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| 12:35.51 | nomed^ | hi ... |
| 12:36.04 | nomed^ | how can i start ipmasq on boot? |
| 12:36.21 | nomed^ | it's already in rcS.d ... |
| 12:36.26 | tuxyRochefort | directhex|work, ? |
| 12:36.29 | sml | nomed^: are you using debian ? |
| 12:36.35 | nomed^ | yes |
| 12:36.36 | directhex|work | kombi, ask #debian-boot if it seems broken, though fakeraid is always problematic |
| 12:36.47 | directhex|work | nomed^, which version? |
| 12:36.52 | sml | nomed^: add it to runlevel 2 |
| 12:36.56 | sml | i think its run level 2 ? |
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| 12:37.21 | sml | someone here will know ;) |
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| 12:37.54 | BriajWrk | hi |
| 12:37.59 | nomed^ | directhex|work, it's a sarge |
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| 12:39.23 | PEACEYALL | wats the best program on linux to convert avi to dvd? |
| 12:39.54 | silverton | um...I think it's a Mac... |
| 12:39.55 | PEACEYALL | or vcd |
| 12:39.57 | silverton | :x |
| 12:40.05 | PerfDave | mencoder? |
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| 12:40.33 | PEACEYALL | i tried that , its good , but i want a gui |
| 12:40.35 | directhex|work | mencoder and qdvdauthor i think |
| 12:41.00 | PEACEYALL | ok ill trry |
| 12:41.05 | PEACEYALL | is avidemux good |
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| 12:42.13 | Maliuta | anyone using procmail and cyrus imap? |
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| 12:42.54 | nighter_ | whats the package name for the kde headers? |
| 12:42.57 | jethro | Maliuta: using both at the same time gives massive diarheas |
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| 12:43.07 | BadMan | PerfDave: ever try FuhQuake? |
| 12:43.17 | PerfDave | BadMan: Tried what? |
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| 12:43.28 | BadMan | FuhQuake |
| 12:43.28 | PEACEYALL | nighter_ , type apt-chache search kde headers , and ull see the package name |
| 12:43.32 | Maliuta | jethro: I am finding this out |
| 12:43.40 | Maliuta | jethro: have you got it working? |
| 12:43.41 | directhex|work | the only good quake is NPRquake |
| 12:43.55 | jethro | Maliuta: I got courrier+procmail working |
| 12:43.56 | alsh | How to restart apache2 on debian testing? I am currently doing "apache2 -k stop", wait for a minute, and then "apache2 -k start". Is there a better way? |
| 12:43.57 | nighter_ | PEACEYALL: i know done that |
| 12:44.02 | BadMan | hmmm.. guess there is another one I need to look inot... |
| 12:44.03 | jethro | Maliuta: never gave cyrus imap a try |
| 12:44.03 | nighter_ | PEACEYALL: its not the name of it |
| 12:44.17 | PEACEYALL | oh :/ |
| 12:44.19 | PEACEYALL | ask in #kde |
| 12:44.29 | jethro | alsh: invoke-rc.d apache2 start/sto/restart |
| 12:44.32 | directhex|work | alsh, /etc/init.d/nameofinitscript restart |
| 12:44.33 | silverton | alsh: apache2 -k stop ; apache2 -k start |
| 12:44.42 | silverton | or, what they say |
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| 12:46.05 | BadMan | asking cause during setup it asks about a JVM, which I setup, but I do not know if it's "working"... |
| 12:46.12 | cahoot | jethro: invoke-rc.d - this some special debian feature? |
| 12:46.22 | BadMan | the JVM is needed only for installation using their installer.. |
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| 12:46.34 | Livingroom | how do i show in an ls -Rl the full path to each file listed recursively? |
| 12:46.38 | paulswm | cahoot: Yes, it's the equiv of /etc/init.d/scriptname |
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| 12:47.05 | strerror__ | noob question: I am not using debian but would like to open up a .deb file. Is it just tarred? or what kind of compression is it using? |
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| 12:47.25 | PerfDave | BadMan: Never heard of it. |
| 12:47.48 | strerror__ | nm, its ar |
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| 12:48.21 | BadMan | PerfDave: ok.. just wondering if after installing the java-package and creating the deb from suns .bin and installing the deb if there is something I need to run tog et a "JVM" running... |
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| 12:49.03 | PerfDave | BadMan: No idea, I don't use non-Free Java. |
| 12:49.10 | alsh | silverton: "apache2 -k stop ; apache2 -k start" doesn't work. I get "httpd (pid 13437) already running". jethro and direchex|work gave better solutions. |
| 12:49.16 | BadMan | okie... |
| 12:49.44 | alsh | jethro and directhex|work: Thanks! |
| 12:49.54 | omry | does debian net setup normally support cable modem (l2pt)? |
| 12:49.55 | Livingroom | anyone? |
| 12:49.57 | Livingroom | how do i show in an ls -Rl the full path to each file listed recursively? |
| 12:50.13 | alsh | silverton: That is why I wrote "wait a minute" in between stopping and starting apache |
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| 12:50.35 | resiak | Livingroom: You'd probably be happier with find . |
| 12:50.46 | [1]oracle972 | hello Everybody! |
| 12:50.51 | silverton | alsh, I'm still new to debian/linux, so gimme a break ;) lol |
| 12:51.11 | alsh | silverton: :-) |
| 12:51.19 | [1]oracle972 | Anybody can't help me? |
| 12:51.29 | resiak | [1]oracle972: You haven't asked a question. |
| 12:51.31 | resiak | !anybody |
| 12:51.31 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 12:51.57 | InitMass | will the starting process of eg openoffice take less time if i am using fluxbox rather than gnome even if i still have more than half the memory left when using gnome? |
| 12:52.15 | resiak | InitMass: Why not try it out and see? |
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| 12:52.21 | Livingroom | resiak: yes, thats what i want |
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| 12:52.45 | resiak | Livingroom: `man find` and `info find` will tell you everything that there is to know about find. |
| 12:52.45 | InitMass | resiak, i don't have a good watch for taking the time ;) |
| 12:52.47 | [1]oracle972 | hum... I'm french, and I'm trying to speak English with you in order to have some help!! |
| 12:52.48 | [1]oracle972 | :d |
| 12:52.51 | Gathond | InitMass: perhaps, then again if openoffice depends on some gtk/gnome libs/services it might take longer, since those would need to be loaded as well |
| 12:52.56 | tarzeau | someone's still using polaroid photography? |
| 12:52.57 | resiak | InitMass: Sure you do. You're using a computer, which has a clock. |
| 12:53.06 | FlycKER | Im using debian 3.0r4 stable and when i try: tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1: htb default 12 ... i receive this: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 12:53.19 | FlycKER | why? im using kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 12:53.25 | resiak | !real kernel |
| 12:53.25 | dpkg | it has been said that real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
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| 12:53.33 | cahoot | tarzeau: some people on photo.net do |
| 12:53.38 | InitMass | resiak, but i don't know how to configure the built in clock in the computer to meassure such times |
| 12:53.46 | elirips | hello. is there something like 'nenscript' for debian as a .deb-package available? |
| 12:53.59 | InitMass | Gathond, that's true |
| 12:54.02 | resiak | [1]oracle972: You haven't asked a question yet. |
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| 12:54.07 | resiak | !fr |
| 12:54.07 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:54.18 | InitMass | Gathond, the fastest thing might be xfce then |
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| 12:54.27 | alsh | Okay. I managed to make apache2 to listen to https (just added "Listen 443" to ports.conf -- why nobody told my about that???). Now I am trying to test it. I run "curl https://127.0.0.1/". But get "curl: (35) error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol". What to do? |
| 12:54.27 | InitMass | Gathond, as it is using gtk |
| 12:54.28 | [1]oracle972 | Ok thank you very much! |
| 12:54.35 | Livingroom | resiak; thanks !!! |
| 12:54.47 | resiak | InitMass, Guerin: OOo doesn't use any Gnome stuffs, I don't think. |
| 12:55.04 | tarzeau | alsh: it's probably only http and not https :) |
| 12:55.06 | [1]oracle972 | bye |
| 12:55.07 | resiak | Guerin: Sorry. |
| 12:55.09 | resiak | Gathond: ^^ |
| 12:55.17 | tarzeau | alsh: www.linuks.mine.nu/stunnel/ |
| 12:55.31 | resiak | alsh: man a2enmod |
| 12:55.31 | FlycKER | !real help |
| 12:55.32 | InitMass | resiak, but gimp does right? |
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| 12:55.33 | Gathond | resiak: you are probably right :) I dont know anything about OO :) |
| 12:55.37 | resiak | InitMass: Sure. |
| 12:55.39 | FlycKER | !help |
| 12:55.48 | resiak | !tell FlycKER -about msgdpkg |
| 12:55.48 | elirips | or does someone knows another tool that can easily convert my txt-files to postscript files, so i can send them to my printer? and also has options like putting two pages on one. |
| 12:55.51 | InitMass | resiak, and gaim and xchat |
| 12:56.03 | resiak | InitMass: Sure. But the difference will not be noticable. |
| 12:56.04 | InitMass | resiak, anyway they use gtk |
| 12:56.10 | InitMass | resiak, ok |
| 12:56.23 | tarzeau | elirips: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/11 |
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| 12:56.35 | InitMass | resiak, so you think that the start of gimp would be faster in fluxbox? |
| 12:56.49 | resiak | InitMass: If anything, not using Gnome will make things fasterer, but so slight that you really won't notice. |
| 12:57.17 | resiak | InitMass: Well, I use Openbox having switched from Gnome, and to be honest I haven't noticed much difference in start times of programs. Login time is another matter ;) |
| 12:57.47 | InitMass | resiak, login times isn't that important to me. only logging in once a day |
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| 12:57.59 | PEACEYALL | Gnome starts programs much faster than Kde does |
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| 12:58.15 | InitMass | resiak, what's the winning of using openbox then in your case? |
| 12:58.17 | silverton | kde is a resource hog |
| 12:58.21 | silverton | I dislike it |
| 12:58.21 | silverton | a lot |
| 12:58.22 | resiak | PEACEYALL: That's bollocks, since neither of them starts the programs. |
| 12:58.29 | PEACEYALL | lol |
| 12:58.34 | PEACEYALL | u knwo wat mean |
| 12:58.35 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 12:58.36 | InitMass | silverton, which are you using? |
| 12:58.37 | PerfDave | PEACEYALL: That's an entirely shit statement to make :) |
| 12:58.45 | tra1a1a | has any of you, guys, used rails? |
| 12:58.47 | PEACEYALL | lol |
| 12:58.53 | silverton | dude, gnome all the way |
| 12:58.55 | alsh | resiak: Thank you! But mod_ssl is enabled... When I run "a2enmod mod_ssl" I get "This module is already enabled!". |
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| 12:59.03 | tra1a1a | ruby on rails actually? |
| 12:59.07 | PerfDave | PEACEYALL: Since it's entirely dependent on what program you're trying to start, what programs you've already got running, and the phase of the moon. |
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| 12:59.33 | resiak | InitMass: Faster login times, more feature-filled WM, and I don't use the panels and stuff anyway. |
| 12:59.56 | elirips | tarzeau: thanks, but i actually would only like to convert my txt-source-files to postscript files. not print them directly. |
| 13:00.09 | PEACEYALL | PerfDave unless on the phaze of the moon statement your takign about the c time library , else wat doe sit have to do with the startoing of programs! |
| 13:00.11 | Crasp | does anybody know about any bug in powerdns on unstable from last weeks monday? |
| 13:00.20 | InitMass | resiak, but if you got a fairly new computer there isn't much of a plus to use anything else than kde or gnome i think |
| 13:00.26 | silverton | resiak, which DE ar eyou talkinga bout? |
| 13:00.30 | resiak | InitMass: My computers are new. |
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| 13:00.36 | resiak | silverton: I'm talking about a WM, Openbox |
| 13:00.47 | silverton | ohh, okay |
| 13:00.48 | InitMass | resiak, ...and you don't notice much speed up |
| 13:00.51 | silverton | never heard of that |
| 13:01.03 | resiak | InitMass: I never mentioned any speedup apart from login time (which _is_ faster).. |
| 13:01.18 | silverton | log-in into gnome is fast enough for me |
| 13:01.18 | alsh | tarzeau: Why do I need stunnel? I don't understand... Is it the *only* way to make apache2 work with https? |
| 13:01.27 | silverton | especially since I have sixteen programs start up when I do |
| 13:01.31 | PerfDave | PEACEYALL: About as much as whether you're running KDE or GNOME :) |
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| 13:01.42 | InitMass | resiak, it's convenient to use gnome. but i always want to have something to improve on my computer so that would be the reason for me to switch |
| 13:02.02 | tarzeau | alsh: sure not. what is the reason you want apache 2? |
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| 13:02.10 | silverton | InitMass, what kind of specs you got? |
| 13:02.14 | silverton | processor/ram |
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| 13:02.27 | PEACEYALL | lol , but how does the "PHaze of the Moon!" makes the program start , its not the starting of time its the starting of programs... |
| 13:02.51 | PerfDave | PEACEYALL: Exactly! |
| 13:02.55 | resiak | InitMass: I don't find Gnome convenient. I find desktop icons pointless (they're always obscured!) and I don't use a taskbar (that's what a pager is for) and it's more convenient to have a root menu wherever I choose to right-click rather than in the top-left. It's a matter of taste, so try them all out and see what you prefer. |
| 13:03.01 | PEACEYALL | :/ lol :P |
| 13:03.09 | InitMass | silverton, it's a laptop with 1.5ghz pentium m, 768mb ram, 80gb hdd, 15.4" wide |
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| 13:03.42 | PerfDave | Crasp: The BTS probably will |
| 13:03.54 | Crasp | PerfDave: already tried it, but it looks like there was nothing |
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| 13:03.57 | silverton | but, I have a mid-tower with a 2.0ghz athlon xp 2400, 512mb of ram, 200gb total drive space, and a 17" dell monitor |
| 13:04.02 | PerfDave | Crasp: Maybe you should report it then. |
| 13:04.10 | Crasp | PerfDave: and i'm not sure if unstable is in the bts? |
| 13:04.14 | resiak | !bts |
| 13:04.14 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:04.24 | yannick | Hello people! Small question : is there a simple way to know whether a program uses SNDCTL_DSP_STEREO or SNDCTL_DSP_CHANNELS? I suppose the question could be rephrased to "how can I catch the ioctl calls passed by a program when it is executed?" Many thanks :-) |
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| 13:04.27 | PerfDave | Crasp: Why on earth wouldn't it be? |
| 13:04.35 | FlycKER | resiak: im install and now using 2.4.18-1-686, and still get this message : baradur:/home/suporte# tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1: htb default 12 --- RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 13:04.35 | silverton | does www2.lastshotnetwork.com/phpsysinfo |
| 13:04.36 | InitMass | resiak, but things like volume management, keyboard layout and such use to be somehow messed up when using something else than a desktop enviroment |
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| 13:04.40 | FlycKER | any idea? |
| 13:04.41 | takatumi | Crasp: you can check the versions of the packages. |
| 13:04.41 | silverton | work for any of you? |
| 13:04.43 | Crasp | PerfDave: cause it's allowed to have bugs in usntable? |
| 13:04.46 | alsh | tarzeau: I have apache2 installed... Why install and learn additional programs (stunnel), when you say it is possible with them? What are the other ways to make apache2 work with https? |
| 13:04.48 | InitMass | silverton, what's your specs? |
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| 13:04.49 | Crasp | takatumi: where can i do that? |
| 13:04.55 | PerfDave | Crasp: You are totally failing to understand how Debian works. |
| 13:04.58 | silverton | http://www2.lastshotnetwork.com/phpsysinfo |
| 13:05.02 | InitMass | silverton, or why did you aks anyway? :) |
| 13:05.02 | Crasp | PerfDave: apparently |
| 13:05.07 | alsh | tarzeau: s/with/without/ |
| 13:05.09 | silverton | silverton but, I have a mid-tower with a 2.0ghz athlon xp 2400, 512mb of ram, 200gb total drive space, and a 17" dell monitor |
| 13:05.12 | resiak | FlycKER: I haven't a clue, I just saw the bf24 and hit !real kernel . Oh, and /msg dpkg any ideas |
| 13:05.13 | PerfDave | Crasp: Packages go into unstable. Bugs are filed. If a package goes two weeks with no critical bugs, it goes into testing. |
| 13:05.15 | tarzeau | alsh: why must be apache2 and not apache 1.3.x ? |
| 13:05.25 | silverton | InitMass, was just wondering why you would be looking for performance increases |
| 13:05.25 | Crasp | PerfDave: all i know that there was no bug commmited for pdns and i just want to see if there has been a new version available since last week |
| 13:05.26 | InitMass | silverton, sorry, i saw your specs but they weren't highlighted |
| 13:05.28 | takatumi | Crasp: bugs.debian.org or apt-get install reportbug and run querybts <package> |
| 13:05.29 | tarzeau | alsh: wait, why do you need https anyways? |
| 13:05.30 | silverton | especially on a 1.5ghz machine |
| 13:05.35 | FlycKER | okye |
| 13:05.39 | resiak | InitMass: Those are messed up? Wow! I hadn't noticed. |
| 13:05.53 | alsh | tarzeau: Because I don't want apache and apache2 running at the same time. apache2 is better because of better mod_python. |
| 13:06.15 | alsh | tarzeau: Online shop. |
| 13:06.17 | PerfDave | resiak: Yes, you've had no problems with your keyboard at all ;p |
| 13:06.32 | resiak | PerfDave: That's really quite irrelevant. But I take your point :p |
| 13:06.42 | FlycKER | using 2.4.18-1-686: whend i try: tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1: htb default 12 - get this message - RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument ... anyone have the solution? |
| 13:06.53 | PerfDave | alsh: Let me get this straight. You can't work out how to run HTTPS in Apache 2, and you want people to send you their credit card details? Can I have the website you're running so I can blacklist it? |
| 13:06.56 | resiak | PerfDave: I don't think that apt-get install gnome-apply-some-kernel-patches works. |
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| 13:07.02 | InitMass | resiak, i'm not a native english speaker so maybe that's there could be some prblem with character maps |
| 13:07.12 | cahoot | elirips: look at a2ps |
| 13:07.15 | Crasp | where do i look for package releases? |
| 13:07.17 | PerfDave | resiak: Obviously not. Gnome doesn't let you reconfigure things. |
| 13:07.27 | Crasp | i want to see the history of powerdns on unstable |
| 13:07.28 | PerfDave | Crasp: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:07.32 | Crasp | thanks |
| 13:07.40 | InitMass | resiak, but, let's say you got a windows which is maximized and you want to open the root menu, how do you do then? |
| 13:07.41 | PerfDave | Crasp: http://packages.qa.debian.org/powerdns/ |
| 13:07.50 | Crasp | thanks again :) |
| 13:07.58 | InitMass | resiak, do you have to unmaximize then? |
| 13:07.58 | resiak | InitMass: I'm not an American speaker and lo! my keyboard has the UK layout. Like I say, it's up to you. I do that by having a 1px border at the left-hand side of my screen (thanks to the hidden dock). |
| 13:08.05 | resiak | InitMass: I don't maximise in general anyway. |
| 13:08.08 | Crasp | 404 tho :/ |
| 13:08.24 | PerfDave | Crasp: Then work it out for yourself FFS. |
| 13:08.27 | silverton | the only thing I generally ever maximize is a web browser |
| 13:08.37 | silverton | hehe |
| 13:08.38 | resiak | PerfDave: Let's fight about DEs in person and with beer. :p |
| 13:08.40 | silverton | 'FFS' |
| 13:08.40 | silverton | I love it |
| 13:08.47 | alsh | PerfDave: Hey, man! I am not running this shop now! Do you think it is possible to get this knowledge without asking about it? I am not born with the knowledge about apache2 and https! |
| 13:09.10 | Crasp | PerfDave: i was just asking a question and if you don't want to help me, fine. i don't need your 'ffs'... |
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| 13:09.31 | InitMass | resiak, ok. last q now. if you want to change workspace, can you do it by scrolling on the root window? |
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| 13:09.40 | silverton | Crasp, just go to http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:09.44 | silverton | and look it up manually |
| 13:09.51 | silverton | I seriously don't think we should have to hold your hand through this |
| 13:09.54 | resiak | InitMass: Absolutely, or Ctrl-Alt-left or -right, or Tuxkey-Fx for the xth desktop. |
| 13:09.58 | jvw | Crasp: pdns, not powerdns |
| 13:10.03 | silverton | and I'm not trying to be rude |
| 13:10.05 | InitMass | resiak, and still have the option to do it by using the keyboard if you are using the keyboard at the moment |
| 13:10.15 | Crasp | jvw: yeah i found it :) |
| 13:10.23 | resiak | InitMass: Or middle-click the desktop and pick the window that I want on whatever desktop it is and be teleported to that desktop. |
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| 13:10.50 | resiak | InitMass: Or click on the pager running in xfce4-panel. |
| 13:10.52 | InitMass | resiak, which "addons" do you use for that last thingie to work? |
| 13:11.04 | elirips | cahoot: thanks. |
| 13:11.10 | InitMass | resiak, asking about the teleporting thing |
| 13:11.14 | resiak | InitMass: Addons? None at all. I'm just running Openbox. The Tuxkey-Fx keybinding I added myself. |
| 13:11.28 | InitMass | resiak, but you are using xfce too? |
| 13:11.37 | InitMass | resiak, openbox in xfce? |
| 13:11.37 | resiak | InitMass: You want a screenshot? No, I'm just using the xfce4-panel. |
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| 13:11.55 | InitMass | yes, a screenshot would be nice to see |
| 13:12.01 | InitMass | resiak, ^^ |
| 13:12.20 | FlycKER | using 2.4.18-1-686: whend i try: tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1: htb default 12 - get this message - RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument ... anyone have the solution? |
| 13:12.51 | InitMass | resiak, i thought you said earlier that you don't use the panel anyway, but i might remember wrong |
| 13:13.19 | directhex|work | FlycKER, how old is the network card? |
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| 13:13.54 | stew | FlycKER: i don't think 2.4.18 has htb support without patching, you'd either have to upgrade or use cbq |
| 13:14.00 | jc_ | good morning |
| 13:14.17 | directhex|work | !beer resiak |
| 13:14.29 | resiak | InitMass: I don't use most of the things that the panel does. I do use a pager, clock, volume control, systray and mini-commander, so I have those on an xfce4-panel . http://www.willthompson.co.uk/obscreen.png |
| 13:14.31 | directhex|work | your abuse of tuxkey is wonderful |
| 13:14.32 | PEACEYALL | what is there to transfer music to my iPod other than gtkPod? |
| 13:14.34 | resiak | directhex|work: What did I do to deserve that? |
| 13:14.39 | FlycKER | directhex|work: 3c59x, not old card |
| 13:14.46 | directhex|work | PEACEYALL, rhythmbox |
| 13:14.48 | resiak | PEACEYALL: apt-cache search ipod , google ipod |
| 13:15.05 | jc_ | I have problems for use crontab in my system. Only first command is executed, but executing manual no problem. |
| 13:15.06 | PEACEYALL | rhythmbox can transfer music to the ipod |
| 13:15.07 | PEACEYALL | ?? |
| 13:15.08 | directhex|work | PEACEYALL, or find a .deb for linspire's lsongs |
| 13:15.36 | tarzeau | PEACEYALL: CAN YOU TYPE /nick peaceyall |
| 13:15.50 | PEACEYALL | okok |
| 13:15.50 | PEACEYALL | lol |
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| 13:16.04 | tarzeau | jc_: can you put the script online? |
| 13:16.09 | resiak | InitMass: Note the lack of a taskbar -- for all your panel needs you might want to look at fbpanel. |
| 13:16.11 | tra1a1a | guys, anyone with ruby on rails experience? |
| 13:16.11 | tra1a1a | I'm about to jump into it and I was wondering if there are any alternatives to consider as well |
| 13:16.13 | peaceyall | HAPPY!! |
| 13:16.23 | resiak | peaceyall: I swear that I made you lowercase yourself a few months back. |
| 13:16.24 | tarzeau | peaceyall: NO MORE EYE CANCER |
| 13:16.46 | jc_ | tarzeau example 00 06 * * * root command1 |
| 13:16.58 | jc_ | 00 18 * * * root command2 |
| 13:17.01 | tarzeau | jc_: can you give a real example, the one that fails? |
| 13:17.09 | tarzeau | jc_: do you have a new line on the last line? |
| 13:17.22 | tarzeau | jc_: do you use crontab -e ? |
| 13:17.23 | greycat | do you have a % in the command? |
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| 13:17.44 | greycat | tarzeau: better not.... that extra "root" means it had better be in /etc/crontab instead of crontab -e. |
| 13:17.48 | InitMass | resiak, is it possible to use the fbpanel for systray and paging things? |
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| 13:18.00 | jc_ | tarzeau if I execute the second command manual, I dont have problem, the problem exist under crontab |
| 13:18.14 | tarzeau | jc_: is the command a script or a binary? |
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| 13:18.19 | tarzeau | jc_: if script, put it online |
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| 13:18.26 | resiak | InitMass: Sure. You can also do as I did and use bits of xfce4. You could even use gnome-panel, if you want. |
| 13:18.31 | jc_ | tarzeau script for tc commands |
| 13:18.41 | InitMass | resiak, and what's the advantage of using openbox instead of fluxbox? |
| 13:18.46 | greycat | jc_: we MUST SEE IT in order to help you. |
| 13:18.49 | resiak | InitMass: *shrug* I just prefer OB. |
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| 13:19.06 | InitMass | resiak, why? |
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| 13:19.25 | InitMass | resiak, sorry for being so hard with my questions |
| 13:19.41 | resiak | InitMass: Looks prettier :) |
| 13:20.18 | peaceyall | resiak ya u did :P |
| 13:20.22 | jc_ | is a simple script for create class between times, this script is functional in my system, the problem was put in cron |
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| 13:20.35 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 13:20.35 | dpkg | VAGUENESS IN COMBINATION SOMETHING YOU'RE USING RIGHT NOW CAUSES CANCER! |
| 13:20.38 | resiak | peaceyall: IRC logs are a wonderful thing. |
| 13:20.39 | carbon60 | Morning all. |
| 13:20.54 | carbon60 | Anyone using a flavor of apt-check-sigs? |
| 13:21.09 | InitMass | resiak, but fluxbox has the capabilities of transparency for windows and more that openbox doesn't |
| 13:21.47 | resiak | InitMass: Do you mean X.org-style transparency, or inherited pixmap-style transparency? |
| 13:21.56 | InitMass | resiak, the latter |
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| 13:22.50 | Crasp | is there some way that i can mark packages that should not be upgraded when doing apt-get upgrade? |
| 13:22.54 | resiak | InitMass: http://www.willthompson.co.uk/this-kind-of-transparency.png # Inherited pixmap stuff is up to the application, not to the WM. |
| 13:23.01 | resiak | !tell Crasp -about hold |
| 13:23.08 | nagual | !tell nagual about hold |
| 13:23.16 | resiak | !tell nagual -about msgdpkg |
| 13:23.23 | ordimini | please I'm needing help, I just made a mistake trying to reinstall windows on a partition and I removed my grub loader, how can I put it back please ??? |
| 13:23.51 | nagual | zz |
| 13:23.53 | nagual | ;-) |
| 13:24.00 | Crasp | resiak: thanks a lot :) |
| 13:24.04 | InitMass | resiak, yes but i meant transparent titles |
| 13:24.07 | tarzeau | ordimini: make a small 8mb partition ext2 |
| 13:24.11 | InitMass | resiak, the frame around |
| 13:24.13 | tarzeau | ordimini: put /boot/grub/* back |
| 13:24.22 | InitMass | resiak, and transparent root menu |
| 13:24.24 | tarzeau | ordimini: you can run grub binary from a live cd |
| 13:24.28 | tarzeau | ordimini: say, livecd.gnustep.org |
| 13:24.36 | resiak | InitMass: Would "invisible" suit you there? Hell, I don't have that, I don't know if OB can do it, I don't really care :) |
| 13:24.49 | ordimini | I'm actually under mandrakemove live cd .. |
| 13:24.59 | ordimini | I must creat a partition ? |
| 13:25.00 | Crasp | resiak: can you also tell me if it's possible to revert to a specific older version of a package? |
| 13:25.02 | tarzeau | ordimini: is that a debian system? |
| 13:25.05 | InitMass | resiak, hehe |
| 13:25.15 | ordimini | yep my system is a debian |
| 13:25.18 | tarzeau | ordimini: i guess so, but it could also run on a filesystem grub knows |
| 13:25.18 | shadfc | anyone have experience changing users/passwords on a DRAC III/XT under debian? I cant seem to get the racadm utility working |
| 13:25.25 | tarzeau | ordimini: what filesystem partitions do you have? |
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| 13:25.46 | tarzeau | shadfc: do you know where the info is stored? |
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| 13:26.11 | resiak | Crasp: snapshots.debian.org, install an old package, hold it. But downgrading is not technically supported. |
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| 13:26.24 | shadfc | tarzeau: well, on the card i would guess, since you can access it if the OS is down |
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| 13:26.43 | directhex|work | ordimini, mount the debian / and /boot partitons, chroot to it, run "grub-install (hd0) |
| 13:26.44 | Crasp | resiak: hmm ok, last week i upgraded pdns and for some reason i couldn't get it to work any other way then getting sarge's package :/ |
| 13:26.59 | taddeus | anyone know some project about move a webcam using stepper motors with linux ? |
| 13:27.18 | ordimini | tarzeau: let's try this ;) (mandrake move sux there is no IRC client !!) |
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| 13:27.23 | resiak | Crasp: Are you running unstable? |
| 13:28.02 | taddeus | ls |
| 13:28.05 | taddeus | ops :\ |
| 13:28.08 | alsh | I am still trying to get the idea of how to run apache2 with https. tarzeau suggested using stunnel. But he told me it is not the only solution. What are they? Which one is better? Can you point to documentation where it is discussed? I have looked at http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/ssl/ but it only say about too general (cryptography) and at the same time too specific things (reference to... |
| 13:28.09 | alsh | ...mod_ssl directives). What do I miss here? |
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| 13:28.11 | taddeus | not found |
| 13:28.12 | ordimini | tarzeau: how can I do what you said ? mount I know but chroot ? |
| 13:28.18 | tarzeau | ordimini: you try the gnustep live cd? it has zsh, screen, irssi and talksoup |
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| 13:28.32 | sml | alsh: what is wrong with apache-ssl ? |
| 13:28.56 | tarzeau | ordimini: well copy the /boot/grub stuff from the live cd to some partition |
| 13:29.05 | tarzeau | ordimini: run grub-install /right/device that's it i think |
| 13:29.12 | alsh | sml: I already have apache2 running. |
| 13:29.26 | alsh | sml: I don't want to install additional webserver. |
| 13:29.52 | sml | alsh: cant you host your content using apache-ssl and stop apache2. what does apache2 give you that apache-ssl doesnt ? |
| 13:29.56 | ordimini | tarzeau: "grub-install /dev/hda2" sounds good to you ? |
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| 13:30.05 | tarzeau | ordimini: no |
| 13:30.08 | tarzeau | ordimini: i'd use /dev/hda |
| 13:30.30 | ordimini | tarzeau: "/dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive" |
| 13:30.48 | tarzeau | ordimini: ahm grub-install --help ? |
| 13:31.04 | alsh | sml: Can you answer my question instead of asking yours? Again: why do I have to bother with apache-ssl when I have apache2. We have mod_ssl, haven't we? |
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| 13:31.21 | ordimini | thanx tarzeau I'll try to see what I can do with that ;) |
| 13:31.23 | tarzeau | ordimini: got the /boot/grub mounted somewhere? |
| 13:31.24 | abrocadabro | tarzeau: I bet you his windows may not boot properly |
| 13:31.29 | tarzeau | ordimini: use --root-directory |
| 13:31.38 | tarzeau | abrocadabro: believe me, i did it |
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| 13:31.50 | sml | alsh: because you cant get apache2 working with ssl. |
| 13:31.55 | tarzeau | abrocadabro: grub booting a windows partition, no linux system around, only a 8mb partition with /boot/grub stuff |
| 13:31.58 | sml | and i mean "you" not you plural. |
| 13:32.04 | tarzeau | abrocadabro: if it won't work it's PEBKAC |
| 13:32.17 | ordimini | tarzeau: you know what I don't understand anything to what I can do using grub-install :S |
| 13:32.36 | alsh | sml: I don't understand. Because *I* can't? Or because anybody *can't*? |
| 13:32.38 | tarzeau | ordimini: it installs some code into the mbr |
| 13:32.47 | tarzeau | ordimini: that will load some more code from /boot/grub |
| 13:32.59 | tarzeau | ordimini: that will run some horrible kernel probably called linux (or windows) |
| 13:33.00 | sml | alsh: because *you* cant. I was suggesting an easy way for you to get ssl working. But you insist on using apache2. good luck. |
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| 13:33.17 | tarzeau | ordimini: but it can load fantastic kernels too, like mach or l4 ... |
| 13:33.39 | ordimini | LoL some politic about kernel :D |
| 13:33.49 | alsh | sml: Okay. I am not trying to insist. I just want *some* explanations. Thanks. |
| 13:33.51 | sml | alsh: I could see why you'd want to use apache2 over apache-ssl if apache2 gave you some functionality that was lacking in apache-ssl. |
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| 13:34.26 | cbr | does some repo have kde 3.4? |
| 13:34.39 | resiak | !giyf Crasp |
| 13:34.41 | resiak | Crasp: Sorry. |
| 13:34.48 | resiak | cbr: Google is your friend. |
| 13:34.52 | alsh | sml: I don't know about apache-ssl. Is it based on apache1. I need apache2 because of good mod_python. |
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| 13:35.04 | stew | cbr: /topic #debian-kde |
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| 13:35.37 | sml | alsh: Well in that case you're going to have to play with mod_ssl but I cant offer any advice coz I've always used apache-ssl when I've wanted to do ssl in apache. |
| 13:35.50 | saabin | grep "My Word" /usr/doc/r*.txt |
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| 13:35.54 | ruzbeh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.04 | cbr | stew: those are some pre packages? isnt the final thing out? |
| 13:36.22 | resiak | ruzbeh: How did you install Debian and mplayer, out of interest? |
| 13:36.39 | stew | cbr: it says PREVIEW right in the topic. you should be asking them not us |
| 13:36.53 | cbr | resiak: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 13:37.09 | cbr | it has mplayer packages |
| 13:37.11 | ruzbeh | resiak, I installed Debian with chroot through Gentoo, and mplayer with apt-get install mplayer-686 or something, you have to add some stuff to sources.list, ask dpkg for marillat |
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| 13:37.43 | resiak | cbr, ruzbeh: I know how to install it, I was just wondering whether this was some "built my own from source" case that could be answered with !marillat |
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| 13:38.07 | ruzbeh | resiak, ok, so, can you help me out? |
| 13:38.18 | abrocadabro | !marillat |
| 13:38.18 | dpkg | hmm... marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
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| 13:39.20 | resiak | ruzbeh: Not a clue, sorry. |
| 13:39.44 | alsh | sml: Thank you. You are the only person who was really helpfull here. Now I understand about why #debian went to "Thumbs down" category in http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050102.ars/2 |
| 13:39.44 | resiak | ruzbeh: Except maybe asking whether you're using an accelerated driver for your video card. |
| 13:39.54 | ruzbeh | resiak, yup, i use nvidia |
| 13:39.59 | resiak | ruzbeh: Ah well. *shrug* |
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| 13:43.38 | greycat | trolling fucker. |
| 13:43.44 | greycat | and a coward, too. |
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| 13:44.02 | sml | greycat: lol. |
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| 13:45.19 | directhex|work | who's a trolling fucker? |
| 13:45.32 | sml | directhex|work: probably alsh |
| 13:45.40 | greycat | yup |
| 13:45.41 | sml | (at a guess) |
| 13:46.12 | directhex|work | ruzbeh, i suspect you're using the wrong output plugin |
| 13:46.20 | Ferret | Hi, I'm trying to get hold of the file install/README.sbm from any debian install CD. I've had no luck searching for it online. Does anyone know where I might find it, or otherwise be able to give me that file? |
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| 13:47.01 | ruzbeh | directhex|work, nvm, I'm switching to xine lol |
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| 13:47.34 | kombi | what was the channel for debian on 64bit again? |
| 13:47.36 | directhex|work | yes. "lol." |
| 13:47.39 | greycat | griffon:~/public_html$ grep README woody-3.0r0-i386-* | grep sbm |
| 13:47.39 | greycat | woody-3.0r0-i386-1:-r--r--r-- 1 root root 1865 May 5 07:51 README.sbm |
| 13:47.41 | directhex|work | kombi, which 64 bit? |
| 13:47.45 | SlayerXP | kombi: debian-amd64 is one |
| 13:47.47 | greycat | kombi: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 13:47.52 | kombi | thanks! |
| 13:48.08 | directhex|work | ruzbeh, i suspect it was using x11 by default. -vo xv would improve it |
| 13:48.14 | directhex|work | or -vo sdl |
| 13:48.24 | directhex|work | or -vo gl |
| 13:48.49 | directhex|work | *gl2 |
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| 13:49.45 | Ferret | greycat: I thought I would see if someone would kindly save me the effort of downloading an entire ISO image just to read one file. It's instructions on booting a CD-ROM kernel using a bootable floppy. |
| 13:49.52 | kombi | will sarge recognize a dual cpu box or do I need to recompile? |
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| 13:50.19 | Bu5H | anybody had 'issues' with reliability or data loss with reiser3.6? |
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| 13:50.34 | kombi | George? |
| 13:50.44 | Bu5H | kombi: it will if you install an SMP kernel |
| 13:50.49 | SlayerXP | Bu5H: hundreds of people |
| 13:50.50 | greycat | hmm.. it doesn't appear on the sarge pre-RC2 d-i CD. |
| 13:51.04 | Bu5H | SlayerXP: i mean widespread issues |
| 13:51.11 | kombi | Bu%H: what's an SMP-Kernel? |
| 13:51.14 | greycat | !custom d-i |
| 13:51.14 | dpkg | somebody said custom d-i was http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 13:51.18 | Bu5H | hardcore 'im never going to use reiser again' issues |
| 13:51.18 | greycat | maybe that's what you want? |
| 13:51.19 | stew | kombi: you can apt-get a smp kernel |
| 13:51.29 | Bu5H | kombi: symmetric multi-processing |
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| 13:51.39 | kombi | thanks |
| 13:51.39 | Bu5H | means a kernel for > 1 cpu |
| 13:51.45 | tra1a1a | kombi: there are precompiled smp kernels. an smp kernel is a kernel that supports more that one cpu |
| 13:51.55 | SlayerXP | Bu5H: I call "complete and total data loss" a widespread issue. maybe I'm just too picky. |
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| 13:52.12 | berkes | afternoon |
| 13:52.12 | yalu | anyone using unison? can somebody tell me what the advantages are compared to eg rsync? |
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| 13:52.27 | Bu5H | well, ive had data loss on lots of systems, not just reiser |
| 13:52.33 | berkes | i installed squirrelmail package, |
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| 13:52.39 | colde89 | howmany virtual devices could i put on eth0? |
| 13:52.47 | berkes | but cannot find it online |
| 13:52.50 | berkes | anyone? |
| 13:52.55 | resiak | !tell berkes -about enter |
| 13:52.57 | saabin | guys is this right? grep "My Word" /usr/doc/r*.txt |
| 13:53.13 | greycat | bash-2.05b# scp README.sbm greg@wooledge.org:public_html |
| 13:53.13 | greycat | greg@wooledge.org's password: |
| 13:53.13 | greycat | README.sbm 100% 1865 0.0KB/s 00:00 |
| 13:53.14 | greycat | There. |
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| 13:53.24 | mtnman | saabin: man grep. |
| 13:53.27 | greycat | fuck you, debhelper. |
| 13:53.32 | peaceyall | lol |
| 13:53.33 | berkes | sorry, :) |
| 13:53.46 | saabin | mtnman: thank you |
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| 13:53.52 | resiak | berkes: Have you read its docs? Have you a webserver installed? |
| 13:53.55 | berkes | however, anyone any idea what url i should use to access squrrelmail on debian? |
| 13:54.01 | Ferret | Thanks greycat! I'll read it now. :) |
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| 13:54.10 | berkes | resiak: yup, yup. :) |
| 13:54.13 | mtnman | saabin: you're welcome. |
| 13:54.24 | tra1a1a | saabin: depending on what you need to do it might be as well right or wrong |
| 13:54.26 | lestest | hi there is tehe a tool to colorize somepatterns in a output? |
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| 13:54.32 | resiak | berkes: localhost/squirrelmail rings bells from when I used it, but the docs _definitely_ say. |
| 13:54.33 | Submarine | howdie |
| 13:54.45 | Submarine | 1) is the memtest86 compiled by Debian capable of serial console? |
| 13:54.49 | berkes | resiak: i cannot find any debian specific docs |
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| 13:55.00 | Submarine | 2) why doesn't memtest86 compile correctly with Debian 3.1? |
| 13:55.08 | directhex|work | Submarine, no idea. you could download the source package, or ask the maintainer |
| 13:55.12 | directhex|work | !info memtest86 sarge |
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| 13:55.21 | dpkg | memtest86: (A thorough real-mode memory tester), section misc, is optional. Version: 3.2-1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 13:55.45 | tra1a1a | saabin: so instead of asking if it is right you might want to ask how to do .... and you have better chances of getting an useful answer |
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| 13:56.17 | mtnman | tra1a1a: for syntax questions, perusal of the man page should be the first stop. |
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| 13:56.56 | liable | bah its a new day |
| 13:57.06 | liable | here anyway |
| 13:57.06 | greycat | feels recycled to me. |
| 13:57.41 | tra1a1a | mtnman: maybe it is not a syntax question - what if saabin wants to search for my word in all the /usr/doc subtree? in that case grep alone wouldn't do the job |
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| 13:58.30 | mtnman | tra1a1a: if it looks like a syntax questions, sounds like a syntax question, and smells like a syntax question.... |
| 13:58.34 | stew | tra1a1a: huh? why wouldn't grep alone do the job? |
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| 13:59.54 | tra1a1a | mtnman: yeah, anyway - if he asks a better question he might get a better answer. that was my thought |
| 14:00.04 | stew | he got the right answer |
| 14:00.29 | tra1a1a | stew: because grep is not searching an entire subtree (afaik) |
| 14:00.37 | stew | tra1a1a: man grep look at -r |
| 14:00.50 | mtnman | tra1a1a: yeah, well if he read the manpage, he wouldn't need to ask. |
| 14:00.53 | saabin | how is grep not case-sensitive |
| 14:00.55 | saabin | ? |
| 14:00.57 | saabin | -c |
| 14:00.58 | stew | saabin: -i |
| 14:01.02 | saabin | thanks |
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| 14:01.54 | tra1a1a | stew: is this working with file name pattern subtree scan? |
| 14:02.50 | mtnman | tra1a1a: a simple combination of find, |, and grep should do. |
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| 14:03.16 | jethro | mtnman: you miss xargs tehre |
| 14:03.26 | tra1a1a | mtnman: that's my point - the question was grep blah-blah /path/to/r*.txt |
| 14:03.44 | tra1a1a | so maybe the answer is man find, man grep |
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| 14:03.51 | tra1a1a | instead of man grep only |
| 14:04.34 | mtnman | tra1a1a: well, i don't really care to argue an inane point, however if he read the manpage for grep he would find its limitations.... can we drop this now? |
| 14:04.34 | tra1a1a | but it doesn't really matter anyway :) |
| 14:04.39 | djc_web | where can I get help on a Grub configuration problem |
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| 14:05.14 | jm_ | djc_web: /msg dpkg ask |
| 14:05.15 | abrocadabro | why not cat /path/to/r*.txt|grep "bla bla" ? |
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| 14:05.24 | jethro | abrocadabro: because it's pointless |
| 14:05.30 | sml | abrocadabro: UUOC |
| 14:05.35 | jethro | abrocadabro: you don't need at there |
| 14:05.38 | jethro | cat |
| 14:05.47 | sml | Useless Use Of Cat award |
| 14:05.51 | abrocadabro | what does he want to do exactly? |
| 14:05.52 | jethro | grep "pattern'" files , that's more than enough |
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| 14:06.01 | tra1a1a | abrocadabro: why not stop wasting our keyboards? |
| 14:06.05 | jethro | I don't kno I jumped in late |
| 14:06.14 | jethro | damn I m typing as if I were bob2 today |
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| 14:06.39 | sml | abrocadabro: and even if it didn't take a filename you could use the shell to change stdin/out |
| 14:06.42 | animall | ispell is my friend :) |
| 14:07.07 | jethro | is there a uuoc factoid? :) |
| 14:07.11 | jethro | !uuoc |
| 14:07.11 | dpkg | somebody said uuoc was Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 14:07.37 | tra1a1a | speaking about spelling - is there a way to embed a spell checker inside bitchx so it will let you correct your errors before sending? |
| 14:07.52 | sml | tra1a1a: LOL. |
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| 14:08.03 | a_monkey | please kick One |
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| 14:08.17 | sml | tra1a1a: that would just teach you to wryte lik this. |
| 14:08.19 | greycat | works for ALL utilities if you use a < sign. |
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| 14:08.25 | peaceyall | :/ |
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| 14:08.33 | tra1a1a | no, I mean it :) |
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| 14:08.46 | a_monkey | anybody know where to get gobject-2.0.pc in a debian package? |
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| 14:08.49 | tra1a1a | for me it would be very usefull |
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| 14:09.08 | a_monkey | i have pygobject-2.0.pc but the configure script seems to be looking for just plain gobject-2.0.pc |
| 14:09.20 | kombi | what processort familly is AMD opteron? |
| 14:09.37 | BrianAnthony | How do I open a new buffer in Emacs? I only see insert new file into current buffer |
| 14:09.43 | kombi | found it.. |
| 14:09.44 | greycat | !k8 |
| 14:09.44 | dpkg | k8 is probably the 64-bit AMD processor family (Opteron). |
| 14:09.50 | tra1a1a | there are enough cases when I'm not sure how a word is written but jumping to another window and/or typing commands is too much |
| 14:09.50 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 14:09.50 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 14:09.52 | sml | tra1a1a: /exec -o echo "this is what i want to right" | ispell -..... etc , then just alias it ? |
| 14:09.56 | stew | BrianAnthony: c-x c-f will open a file in a new buffer |
| 14:10.01 | abrocadabro | a_monkey: get-file search gobject-2.0.pc |
| 14:10.03 | sml | s/right/write. |
| 14:10.05 | sml | lol |
| 14:10.05 | greycat | dpkg, k8 is also See also <amd64>. |
| 14:10.05 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 14:10.15 | Livingroom | dpkg, amd64 |
| 14:10.15 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 14:10.18 | tra1a1a | sml: :) |
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| 14:10.23 | tra1a1a | that's something |
| 14:10.29 | BrianAnthony | stew: what is that on the keyboard? lol control-x and control f? |
| 14:10.32 | Livingroom | is having an amd64 really that big a thing? |
| 14:10.37 | stew | BrianAnthony: yes |
| 14:11.01 | sml | tra1a1a: alias blah {/exec -o echo -$0 | ispell..... } |
| 14:11.04 | paulswm | also http://www.amd.com/ ffs, if one actually has the initiative to check the manufacturer's we b site |
| 14:11.27 | a_monkey | abrocadabro: that's not a command. |
| 14:11.29 | tra1a1a | but to be really convinient I see it more like this - I type then I send - if there is a mistake I'm kindly requested to correct it before the text is sent |
| 14:11.33 | a_monkey | get-file gives me an error |
| 14:11.39 | stew | BrianAnthony: ctrl-h b will list the current keybindings |
| 14:12.02 | sml | tra1a1a: you'd have to check the man page of ispell to see how to use it to spell check on stdin. |
| 14:12.16 | abrocadabro | a_monkey:apt-get install apt-file && apt-file search bla |
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| 14:12.31 | petemc | need an apt-file update in there |
| 14:12.43 | abrocadabro | a_monkey: apt-file update && apt-file search |
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| 14:13.16 | tra1a1a | sml: that's easy. I don't know how to instruct the bitchx to send the input to the spell checker and then the output of the spell checker to the channel |
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| 14:13.29 | ILF | hi, i installed j2sdk1.4 from blackdown.org. apt-get sais j2sdk1.4 is installed. but "find /* | grep sdk" only finds stuff in /usr/share/doc/j2sdk1.4 and /var/lib/dpkg/info/j2sdk1.4.* i neet to know where the bin dir is |
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| 14:13.47 | directhex|work | ILF, don't use blackdown, use java-package |
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| 14:14.24 | stew | ILF: dpkg -L pkgname |
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| 14:14.25 | tra1a1a | and, of course, this means that the spell checker should interract in the middle of the process to allow you to correct your mistakes and then send everything to the output |
| 14:14.38 | mastertet | Is it possible to remove exim without destroying my system (sarge)? Whenever I reboot and I'm not connected to the net, starting MTA takes at least 2 minutes to complete. I don't need a MTA anyway on my laptop... |
| 14:14.41 | petemc | ILF: dpkg -L package |
| 14:14.45 | resiak | mastertet: Yes, you do. |
| 14:14.48 | tra1a1a | or maybe there is a simplier way to do the things? something already existing? |
| 14:14.54 | abrocadabro | ILF: j2sdk1.4 depends on j2re |
| 14:15.13 | mastertet | resiak, true, I need it for system message :( |
| 14:15.14 | petemc | mastertet: installing ifplugd would stop the delay while booting |
| 14:15.17 | resiak | mastertet: You could install another mta if you want. But 2 minutes to start exim? How old is your laptop? |
| 14:15.38 | mastertet | resiak, it takes 2 second when I'm connected |
| 14:15.50 | mastertet | thanks petemc |
| 14:15.50 | jm_ | mastertet: name resolution |
| 14:15.50 | resiak | mastertet: As petemc says. |
| 14:15.51 | minciue | mastertet, you could just have it not load any configuration |
| 14:15.55 | jvw | mastertet: just disable that it starts up |
| 14:16.06 | minciue | if you don't need it |
| 14:16.09 | resiak | jvw: Bad. You need an MTA. |
| 14:16.14 | ILF | thx all, ant now forks. fyi: it was in /usr/lib/j2se/1.4 |
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| 14:16.20 | petemc | update-rc.d -f exim4 remove would work too |
| 14:16.23 | ILF | *works |
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| 14:16.37 | mastertet | in Woody, exim was easy to configure, now, there is so many files! |
| 14:16.43 | minciue | mastertet, i'd suggest you move it after networking starts in /etc/rc2.d |
| 14:17.00 | petemc | mastertet: you can use one config file at /etc/exim4/exim4.conf |
| 14:17.06 | InitMass | resiak, i am using openbox now and think i think the system is faster now |
| 14:17.09 | jvw | mastertet: reconfigure it, you can choose one file, you can choose to be unconfigured |
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| 14:17.16 | mastertet | ok |
| 14:17.16 | stew | minciue: networking starts in rcS.d |
| 14:17.18 | jvw | so it won't take ages to start |
| 14:17.25 | mastertet | thanks for all the infos :) |
| 14:17.32 | InitMass | resiak, which package do i have to install if i want support for transparent windows? |
| 14:17.32 | jm_ | mastertet: Sarge still has exim3 available |
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| 14:17.56 | resiak | InitMass: urxvt does transparency. It depends on the program. |
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| 14:17.57 | resiak | !tell shank -about marillat |
| 14:18.08 | minciue | stew, right nm |
| 14:18.16 | InitMass | resiak, i'm aiming at xchat |
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| 14:18.38 | resiak | InitMass: X-Chat has a tickbox for transparency. You'll want to set your wallpaper, though -- I use fbsetbg |
| 14:19.09 | mentor | InitMass: transparency of windows is not natively supported by XF86...the transparency that applications support are a workaround dependent on each application |
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| 14:20.03 | takatumi | resiak: transparency in xfree? |
| 14:20.11 | stew | transparancy works great for me in irssi, (i had to use xsetroot -solid black to get it to work) |
| 14:20.18 | resiak | takatumi: Inherited pixmap. |
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| 14:20.34 | InitMass | resiak, so if i want aterm transparent which app do i have to install? |
| 14:20.53 | resiak | InitMass: Does aterm do transparency? If not, you must use a different terminal. man aterm |
| 14:20.53 | takatumi | should be even easier in xorg, but I just don't get the point of trasparency. |
| 14:20.59 | resiak | takatumi: perty! |
| 14:21.04 | stew | harder to read |
| 14:21.10 | streuner_ | resiak: it does |
| 14:21.12 | resiak | stew: Depends. |
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| 14:21.15 | takatumi | stew: exactly. |
| 14:21.15 | InitMass | resiak, yes, aterm has support for it |
| 14:21.16 | resiak | streuner_: Ace. |
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| 14:21.41 | resiak | InitMass: Then man aterm, and find out what switch you need |
| 14:21.44 | mastertet | InitMass: aterm -tr |
| 14:21.52 | takatumi | knew aterm and eterm supported it, didn't know it was possible with urxvt as well. |
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| 14:22.09 | resiak | takatumi: -tr :) |
| 14:22.17 | InitMass | mastertet, yepp that works! |
| 14:22.34 | mastertet | eterm does a better job, aterm can't get backdrop of rox desktop |
| 14:23.08 | InitMass | mastertet, when i start it, it works but if i change to another window and then back the transparency dissapear |
| 14:23.09 | mastertet | InitMass, I would also suggest -rv option, depending on your wallpaper |
| 14:23.27 | streuner_ | InitMass: aterm -g 130x7+0+30 -tr -sh 50 -fg white -bg black -fn y <font> |
| 14:23.30 | mastertet | move it a bit |
| 14:24.09 | jm_ | very important issues for everyday's life ;) |
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| 14:24.24 | streuner_ | jm_: hehe |
| 14:24.53 | v|p3r | hi, i'm traing to mount a netware fs, i have serge installed with kernel 2.6.8, i have the ncpfs installed, if i made an slist i see the servers, but when i try to logncpmount: No such entry (-601) in nds loginin i got this error " |
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| 14:24.56 | v|p3r | ncpmount: No such entry (-601) in nds login |
| 14:25.00 | cjrich | Can anyone recommend a good terminal based hex editor for linux? prefrably apt get able |
| 14:25.05 | InitMass | mastertet, the line which streuner_ gave me worked fine |
| 14:25.08 | greycat | !info hexedit |
| 14:25.21 | jm_ | cjrich: biew, hexedit, xxd, ... |
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| 14:25.56 | mastertet | InitMass: like resiak told you, man aterm will explain it all for you |
| 14:26.09 | jm_ | cjrich: or in other words -- apt-cache search hex edit |
| 14:26.16 | cjrich | yeah |
| 14:26.18 | cjrich | cheers, got it ;] |
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| 14:26.55 | Phati`sunshine- | :D |
| 14:27.20 | Phati`sunshine- | Can someone say me how i can change my fonts in mozilla ? |
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| 14:27.41 | resiak | Phati`sunshine-: What about the options dialog? |
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| 14:27.50 | Phati`sunshine- | option dialog ? |
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| 14:27.57 | resiak | Phati`sunshine-: Edit - Preferences or some such. |
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| 14:28.04 | Phati`sunshine- | yes - i made this |
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| 14:28.30 | dpkg | hexedit: (view and edit files in hexadecimal or in ASCII), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
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| 14:28.39 | InitMass | streuner_, can you recommend a font that will work in aterm please? |
| 14:28.40 | Phati`sunshine- | but it not works |
| 14:29.09 | Phati`sunshine- | the problem is - that the fonts are too small |
| 14:29.17 | mattm | is there any GUI app to edit MS access DB files? |
| 14:29.22 | resiak | Phati`sunshine-: So ... INCREASE THEIR SIZE! |
| 14:29.25 | resiak | mattm: MS Access. |
| 14:29.25 | Phati`sunshine- | and it is not the same as windows fonts |
| 14:29.28 | Phati`sunshine- | yes - i know |
| 14:29.32 | Phati`sunshine- | strg+ + |
| 14:29.33 | jethro | heh |
| 14:29.36 | resiak | Phati`sunshine-: apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 14:29.39 | streuner_ | InitMass: verdana doesn't work, for sure ;-) |
| 14:29.42 | simonrvn | duh... of course they're not... |
| 14:29.43 | mattm | resiak, in linux without Wine |
| 14:29.43 | Phati`sunshine- | i made this :P |
| 14:30.03 | resiak | mattm: Probably not. |
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| 14:30.14 | InitMass | streuner_, :P |
| 14:30.15 | mattm | resiak, bleh thats what i though |
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| 14:30.22 | Phati`sunshine- | it is in evere distri a problem that the fonts looks strange :/ |
| 14:30.34 | resiak | Phati`sunshine-: _Never_ been a problem for me. |
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| 14:30.47 | Phati`sunshine- | but for me *G* |
| 14:30.51 | resiak | mattm: Does this really surprise you? But google might still save you. |
| 14:31.00 | Phati`sunshine- | because i cant reed anything |
| 14:31.00 | Phati`sunshine- | read |
| 14:31.05 | streuner_ | InitMass: edges |
| 14:31.35 | resiak | Phati`sunshine-: You might have just zoomed out of the page. |
| 14:31.54 | Phati`sunshine- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.16 | Phati`sunshine- | it is not sharply then |
| 14:32.21 | streuner_ | InitMass: apt-get install xfonts-artwiz |
| 14:32.29 | resiak | mattm: OMG! apt-cache search access database! OMG! THERE ARE THINGS THERE!!!one |
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| 14:32.53 | cristy | i have this error when i try to run a program..what can i do about that? |
| 14:33.01 | cjrich | lol |
| 14:33.06 | mattm | resiak, amazing |
| 14:33.07 | jm_ | no error? hat's pretty good |
| 14:33.10 | resiak | cristy: That error we're supposed to telepathically know? |
| 14:33.11 | resiak | mattm: :) |
| 14:33.11 | cristy | miniterm: can't find library 'libc.so.4' |
| 14:33.16 | cristy | sorry :P |
| 14:33.17 | jm_ | haha |
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| 14:33.23 | cristy | forgot to paste |
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| 14:33.26 | greycat | cristy: you're joking. |
| 14:33.27 | resiak | mattm: mdbtools might interest you. |
| 14:33.29 | coachz | Are there any docs on configing apache after installing it as a package? |
| 14:33.30 | greycat | please tell me you're joking. |
| 14:33.37 | Phati`sunshine- | apt-get install libc.so4 |
| 14:33.38 | Phati`sunshine- | :D |
| 14:33.47 | greycat | Phati`sunshine-: it was called "libc4". |
| 14:33.51 | InitMass | do you guys in here recommend fluxbox or openbox? |
| 14:33.51 | Phati`sunshine- | ok ^^ |
| 14:33.52 | Phati`sunshine- | sry |
| 14:33.53 | Phati`sunshine- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.53 | resiak | cristy: apt-get install apache{,2}-doc |
| 14:34.04 | greycat | Phati`sunshine-: note the past tense. "Was". |
| 14:34.04 | resiak | InitMass: Half will say one and half will say the other. |
| 14:34.09 | Phati`sunshine- | <-- Linux noob ^^ |
| 14:34.15 | Phati`sunshine- | <-- english noob *G* |
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| 14:34.18 | cristy | E: Couldn't find package libc.so4 |
| 14:34.21 | greycat | you missed libc4 by about... oh... 8 years. |
| 14:34.24 | tarzeau | dpkg noob |
| 14:34.24 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 14:34.31 | mattm | resiak, sweet i'l take a look |
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| 14:34.50 | tarzeau | InitMass: i recommend nethack |
| 14:34.53 | Spark | delightfully condescending |
| 14:34.56 | cristy | greycat..i know..it's a very old program..but i have to run it..it's a project from school |
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| 14:35.02 | Phati`sunshine- | cristy: maybe no ftp source ? |
| 14:35.06 | InitMass | tarzeau, what's it like? |
| 14:35.09 | greycat | cristy: your project is "to run old things that suck"? |
| 14:35.16 | tarzeau | InitMass: dangerous |
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| 14:35.23 | resiak | mattm: Seriously, apt-cache search before asking in here, since that way you avoid incurring our wrath for making us do the work you could easily have done. Fortunately for you, I'm in a good mood. |
| 14:35.36 | resiak | mattm: ;) |
| 14:35.41 | cristy | greycat, no, it's to learn how-to do aold things that suck |
| 14:35.52 | greycat | cristy: get the source and recompile it |
| 14:36.03 | Phati`sunshine- | yepp :) |
| 14:36.07 | cristy | greycat, i've just done that |
| 14:36.31 | kang1 | what do i need, hw and sw, for wireless surfing? |
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| 14:36.48 | Servo888 | *phew* 2.6.8-386 kernel image takes up 40MB's of storage =\ yuk |
| 14:36.48 | InitMass | resiak, fuck you ;) now i remember that nethack is a game |
| 14:36.48 | takatumi | kang1: all three of them. |
| 14:36.52 | Phati`sunshine- | Can someone make a screenshot of mozilla firefox with this site: www.ets-game.de <-- i musst see if it is the same |
| 14:36.56 | resiak | kang1: A wlan card and drivers for it, and a wireless access point. |
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| 14:36.57 | mattm | resiak, roger that |
| 14:36.57 | InitMass | tarzeau, read what i said to resiak |
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| 14:37.08 | tarzeau | InitMass: hehehe |
| 14:37.08 | kang1 | i only give two choices! |
| 14:37.15 | tarzeau | resiak: he really tried :)( |
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| 14:37.20 | resiak | tarzeau: :D# |
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| 14:37.45 | sml | useruser: ! :) |
| 14:37.46 | kang1 | wireless access point is provided by the service provider. |
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| 14:38.20 | kang1 | which wlan card and driver best for debian? |
| 14:38.20 | resiak | Phati`sunshine-: http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/omgscreenshot.png |
| 14:38.25 | resiak | !best |
| 14:38.26 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 14:39.01 | kang1 | do i need to download debian packages for wireless surfing? |
| 14:39.02 | baikonur | hi |
| 14:39.02 | useruser | sml: :S |
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| 14:39.18 | takatumi | kang1: which card? |
| 14:39.29 | sml | useruser: :# |
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| 14:39.38 | baikonur | how can I stdout into the clipboard? |
| 14:39.48 | kang1 | takatumi: i need a recommendation. |
| 14:40.14 | takatumi | kang1: linksys wpc11 v3 |
| 14:40.16 | karl | hi Can anyone help me with exim I need to duplicate mail to 2 mtas on local lan The reason for that is that I am moving users from one server to another |
| 14:40.19 | d0s4gw | anyone here have experience installing sarge on an A7N8X Deluxe? |
| 14:40.38 | jm_ | baikonur: xcutsel or what? |
| 14:40.46 | kang1 | takatumi:how much, complete package? |
| 14:40.47 | tarzeau | d0s4gw: deluxe? got a photo? |
| 14:41.05 | jm_ | or xclipboard, not sure what you want |
| 14:41.14 | mtnman | karl: tried #exim? |
| 14:41.30 | useruser | sml: no need to vomit |
| 14:41.31 | d0s4gw | tarzeau, http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-478&depa=0 |
| 14:41.58 | sml | karl: setup the new server so its configured as an MTA and then just chnage the MX records. |
| 14:42.03 | sml | karl: what's the problem ? |
| 14:42.11 | tarzeau | d0s4gw: what's so deluxe about it? it just looks like any other mobo! |
| 14:42.14 | d0s4gw | tarzeau, essentially any board with an nforce2 chipset |
| 14:42.20 | baikonur | jm_: I think so, thanks |
| 14:42.27 | tarzeau | d0s4gw: i wouldn't call that deluxe |
| 14:42.30 | resiak | Phati`sunshine-: omg does it look right lolol? |
| 14:42.43 | d0s4gw | tarzeau: well you dont have a marketing degree |
| 14:43.06 | coachz | should i pick gdm, xdm or kdm for my kde install please ? |
| 14:43.17 | takatumi | coachz: either or none. |
| 14:43.26 | coachz | not all 3 ;-) |
| 14:43.27 | helix | coachz: kdm |
| 14:43.31 | kang1 | what software you folks recommend for website design? |
| 14:43.32 | resiak | Hmm, the browsers people use in here amuse me. No IEs, fortunately. |
| 14:43.35 | resiak | kang1: vim |
| 14:43.38 | d0s4gw | so do you have experience installing sarge on an nforce2 board? |
| 14:43.39 | coachz | helix, thanks |
| 14:43.42 | baikonur | jm_: hm, I want to direct the output of a program into the clipboard, that's not what xcutsel does? |
| 14:43.46 | tarzeau | resiak: links2 -g really is cool |
| 14:43.48 | jm_ | baikonur: xclipboard |
| 14:43.50 | karl | Ok I have an exim that relays mail to an internal mta I want to change it For now I want exim to relay mail to both the old and the new internal mtas |
| 14:44.09 | kang1 | resiak: does it require programming? |
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| 14:44.16 | resiak | kang1: No. |
| 14:44.23 | karl | So some of users keep using old while some start using the new one |
| 14:44.24 | resiak | kang1: If by programming you mean "writing HTML", then yes. |
| 14:44.28 | helix | resiak: I'm pretty sure that's not what he was talking about... |
| 14:44.35 | resiak | helix: True. |
| 14:44.40 | takatumi | helix: sure you are sure? |
| 14:44.52 | resiak | kang1: Bluefish, Quanta Plus are probably more what you were after. |
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| 14:45.18 | petemc | karl: you might want to look at the "unseen" option |
| 14:45.34 | kang1 | resiak:no programming, completely gui-based? |
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| 14:46.06 | resiak | kang1: A wysiwyg HTML editor? not a clue, sorry. |
| 14:46.34 | stew | doesn't mozilla have a built in one? |
| 14:46.42 | helix | yeah |
| 14:46.45 | helix | what's it called? |
| 14:46.48 | resiak | !nvu |
| 14:46.48 | dpkg | i guess nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com/. No Debian package yet. |
| 14:46.51 | jethro | kang1: just apt-cache search wysiwyg html |
| 14:47.11 | d0s4gw | composer |
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| 14:47.17 | kang1 | jethro:good idea |
| 14:47.24 | jc-denton | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golem.de%2F0504%2F37502.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=de&ie=UTF8 |
| 14:47.25 | jc-denton | congraulations |
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| 14:47.43 | jethro | kang1: think about using apt-* first priori to asking questions in here when you can find answers by yourself :p |
| 14:47.46 | cirdan | hey all |
| 14:47.46 | resiak | tarzeau: links2 -g is _very_ cool. |
| 14:48.02 | cirdan | having trouble setting up pgadmin3 |
| 14:48.03 | toukitsune | Does anyone know if there is any package to go through a website to DL pictures from the site? |
| 14:48.10 | cirdan | seems to be all docs... |
| 14:48.11 | kang1 | jethro: ideas do come out of discussions. |
| 14:48.24 | tarzeau | resiak: it's also cool with svgalib or fb |
| 14:48.26 | resiak | toukitsune: wget. Have fun browsing pr0n! |
| 14:48.30 | jethro | kang1: I meant, for the next time you need something |
| 14:48.30 | cirdan | i installed both pgadmin packages... |
| 14:48.34 | streuner_ | toukitsune: tkinfo wget |
| 14:48.35 | resiak | tarzeau: That's what I just tried. |
| 14:48.45 | tarzeau | toukitsune: without interaction? |
| 14:48.46 | cirdan | but there is nothing under /var/www or anything |
| 14:48.53 | tarzeau | toukitsune: what kind of pictures are that? |
| 14:48.58 | toukitsune | yah automaticly |
| 14:49.03 | sml | resiak: what does links2 -g do ? |
| 14:49.04 | toukitsune | 4chan.org |
| 14:49.05 | cirdan | and no good docs in the doc dir |
| 14:49.13 | jethro | render graphics |
| 14:49.17 | resiak | sml: Try it. apt-get install links2 |
| 14:49.17 | sml | really! |
| 14:49.27 | sml | resiak: erm its dependent on X ? |
| 14:49.28 | cirdan | cool |
| 14:49.31 | tarzeau | sml: no |
| 14:49.34 | sml | WOW |
| 14:49.36 | resiak | sml: No, I just tried it on a framebuffer console |
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| 14:49.41 | sml | how cool! |
| 14:49.48 | kang1 | someone was saying that there's a built-in website designer for Mozilla? |
| 14:49.49 | sml | bloody hell!!!!!! cant wait to try it |
| 14:50.04 | cirdan | hrm, no ideas on pgadmin? |
| 14:50.05 | tarzeau | kang1: hahaha |
| 14:51.17 | streuner_ | kang1: composer? |
| 14:51.34 | kang1 | tarzeau: why are you laughing, i have traced it, its nvu, no debian package for it yet. |
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| 14:52.15 | streuner_ | kang1: 'nvu'? |
| 14:52.34 | resiak | kang1: You could also use Mozilla Composer |
| 14:52.37 | tarzeau | kang1: yes there is package for it |
| 14:52.38 | streuner_ | ok, just try composer then |
| 14:52.47 | kang1 | yes, resiak mentioned it some lines back. |
| 14:52.48 | streuner_ | !nvu |
| 14:52.48 | dpkg | i guess nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com/. No Debian package yet. |
| 14:53.09 | coachz | Are there any docs on configuring apache after installing it as a package in debian or do i just need to read between the lines on the page about compiling and configuring? |
| 14:53.09 | clojster | how the kernel determines if prgram should use RAM or Swap? I've got a lot of free ram, but it still swaps on disk... why? |
| 14:53.14 | tarzeau | kang1: see here packages.debian.org/nvu |
| 14:53.24 | tarzeau | kang1: well because writing html with such editors looks like shit |
| 14:53.29 | tarzeau | kang1: and hardly works anywhere |
| 14:53.30 | clojster | is the decision made by kernel, or app? |
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| 14:53.54 | kang1 | tarzeau: you referring to nvu? |
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| 14:54.22 | resiak | !nvu =~ s/No Debian package yet./Packages in Unstable for some archs./ |
| 14:54.23 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
| 14:54.33 | streuner_ | dpkg, nvu |
| 14:54.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com/. Packages in Unstable for some archs. |
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| 14:55.02 | tarzeau | kang1: no about: built-in website designer for Mozilla? |
| 14:55.41 | Servo888 | Hmm that's weird... The system seems locked up, but I can still ping it =\... Can't ssh in to it though. |
| 14:56.15 | Servo888 | nvm - just over loaded. |
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| 14:59.03 | v|p3r | hi, i'm traing to mount a netware fs, i have serge installed with kernel 2.6.8, i have the ncpfs installed, if i made an slist i see the servers, but when i try to logncpmount: No such entry (-601) in nds loginin i got this error " |
| 14:59.05 | v|p3r | ncpmount: No such entry (-601) in nds login |
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| 14:59.17 | v|p3r | someone can help me? |
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| 15:00.29 | tarzeau | !help v|p3r |
| 15:01.08 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas/ |
| 15:01.09 | ravenbird | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, FieldySnuts |
| 15:01.17 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 15:01.18 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little vegemite, and a handful of sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 15:02.39 | v|p3r | !help tumadre |
| 15:03.01 | toukitsune | Failure is not an option: it's a software feature. |
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| 15:03.55 | v|p3r | so someone use a linux clinet with novell server? |
| 15:04.16 | simonrvn | v|p3r: asking for help is not going to get you anywhere. asking your question will. so please, do |
| 15:05.00 | takatumi | cpu-freq is automagically shifted between powersave and performace by something. what could it be? |
| 15:05.22 | resiak | takatumi: cpufreqd? |
| 15:05.23 | streuner_ | v|p3r: you see rarely here someone who using novell server, try one of the debian ML's |
| 15:05.27 | resiak | takatumi: powernowd? |
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| 15:06.02 | takatumi | resiak: neither installed. |
| 15:06.12 | resiak | takatumi: I'm flummoxed then :) |
| 15:06.28 | streuner_ | v|p3r: such question would i ask in debian-isp ML, maybe there is someone who remember |
| 15:06.49 | takatumi | resiak: it works fine, but I just wanted to shift to userspace and tweak around a little, won't let me. ;-| |
| 15:07.11 | resiak | takatumi: Heh. |
| 15:07.24 | resiak | takatumi: I use cpufreqd, worksforme. |
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| 15:08.53 | v|p3r | ok streuner_ : that's it's something, i tought some still have an novell server |
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| 15:09.44 | drasko | hi all. What's the command to mount all the things I have written in fstab? |
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| 15:09.50 | redduck666 | is there any command that allow me to view the size of a file? |
| 15:09.51 | takatumi | drasko: -a |
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| 15:10.13 | tarzeau | redduck666: sure |
| 15:10.22 | drasko | takatumi, tnx |
| 15:10.23 | coachz | does debian have a default firewall other than ip tables ? |
| 15:10.28 | tarzeau | redduck666: stat for example |
| 15:10.38 | tarzeau | coachz: shorewall for example |
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| 15:10.51 | coachz | one that's installed on fresh install ? |
| 15:10.52 | tarzeau | coachz: but that's using iptables too, with 2.4+ kernels |
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| 15:11.05 | coachz | or is iptables the default |
| 15:11.05 | tarzeau | coachz: no, why does a system need a firewall at all? |
| 15:11.10 | tarzeau | coachz: only for linux |
| 15:11.13 | tarzeau | coachz: not for debian |
| 15:11.21 | option | why use something other than iptables? it's a kernel level facility |
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| 15:11.24 | tarzeau | coachz: debian also has gnu/hurd which has no firewall, and no netstat |
| 15:11.25 | liable | coachz: new to linux? |
| 15:11.28 | linuxnut | i have installed sarge on a desktop of mine, the 2.6.8 kernel does not have the snd-emu10k1x module needed for my dell sblive sound card, I know the 2.6.10 kernel has it but it does not show up in the config when i try and configure the kernel. anyone have an idea of what to do |
| 15:11.30 | tarzeau | coachz: and there's gnu/kfreebsd |
| 15:11.33 | option | only alternatives are deprecated things like ipchains |
| 15:11.34 | redduck666 | tarzeau, thanks |
| 15:11.58 | coachz | let me rephrase: On a new debian install is there a firewall installed? If so, which one please? |
| 15:12.04 | option | you can configure iptables with whatever frontend, firestarter or whatever |
| 15:12.05 | tarzeau | coachz: none |
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| 15:12.08 | tarzeau | coachz: no |
| 15:12.12 | coachz | thanks |
| 15:12.12 | tarzeau | coachz: for what? |
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| 15:12.53 | tarzeau | debian minimal installs are already too large |
| 15:12.56 | coachz | thanks, that's what i needed to know |
| 15:13.06 | tarzeau | they should get smaller, not larger |
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| 15:13.20 | option | basically a firewall by default is an admission that your default network-facign services are out of control and you can't clean them up |
| 15:13.24 | liable | coachz: seriously, if you have gnome or kde or something get firestarter or gaurddog, or dont woory unless you have old appps |
| 15:13.35 | coachz | ok, thanks |
| 15:13.40 | option | better than a firewall, don't have anything listening on the network until you set it up to |
| 15:14.00 | tarzeau | liable: what has aged apps to do with firewalls? |
| 15:14.01 | coachz | liable, can this kde apps manage other debian server firewalls too? |
| 15:14.06 | coachz | or just the local one |
| 15:14.23 | tarzeau | coachz: ssh can |
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| 15:14.47 | coachz | tarzeau, i'm wondering about the kde apps mentioned above |
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| 15:14.55 | tarzeau | coachz: you can run kde apps over ssh -X |
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| 15:15.06 | tarzeau | coachz: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 15:15.07 | mypaser | hi all |
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| 15:15.10 | FieldySnuts | postmaaaan! |
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| 15:15.18 | tarzeau | coachz: but really running kde over remote x is like biting into a stone |
| 15:15.21 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: make sure he's got what's needed enabled on sshd as well. |
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| 15:15.30 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: not my problem |
| 15:15.34 | FieldySnuts | yeah if it's not a lan, about the best you could do is vnc |
| 15:15.42 | FieldySnuts | which is what i'm doing right now |
| 15:15.48 | Turjakas` | hm.. I installed debian sarge on an old Compaq Armada 4220T laptop. Everything else went fine, but at startup the kernel complains about DMA timeouts when it's trying to list partitions on the hard disk. The system boots after some more errors about dma timeouts.. does this mean that the kernel is not using dma with hd-access ? How could I solve this? The kernel is 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 15:15.49 | coachz | so for managing firewalls on multiple server i should stick with ssh and vim |
| 15:15.59 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: compressed remote x sessions are quite ok |
| 15:16.10 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: of course you don't want gnome or kde blaot |
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| 15:16.13 | FieldySnuts | i find them far slower than vnc |
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| 15:16.14 | liable | tarzeau: meaning old versions of for example ssh, or whatever, |
| 15:16.19 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: heck no. I stick to xfce in it |
| 15:16.24 | tarzeau | coachz: you can use ssh and do it graphical too |
| 15:16.33 | flexy | is anybody else having problems compiling kernel using make-kpkg ? |
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| 15:16.39 | tarzeau | liable: there is old software that works perfectly well, on the internet, no firewall |
| 15:16.42 | coachz | with firestarter or what app ? |
| 15:16.49 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: i run gnustep , remotely |
| 15:17.00 | tarzeau | (actually gnustep applications) |
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| 15:17.10 | tarzeau | coachz: TextEdit.app is what i use |
| 15:17.17 | tarzeau | coachz: to edit shorewall configuration files |
| 15:17.27 | sml | lol.. www.linuxsucks.com is running on a linux box! |
| 15:17.42 | coachz | good info, thanks |
| 15:17.55 | jonz | er, is there a good debian initrd image for repair (fdisk, grub, etc) or do i need to roll my own? |
| 15:17.56 | FieldySnuts | @troll sml |
| 15:18.15 | liable | tarzeau: just trying to say, to keep up with things that have security problems, get off my back dude |
| 15:18.39 | FieldySnuts | somebody needs a pacifier |
| 15:18.51 | tarzeau | liable: just wanting to say not all old software has security problems |
| 15:18.51 | liable | tarzeau: not saying that old has security problems |
| 15:18.59 | tarzeau | liable: it sounded like that to me |
| 15:19.18 | liable | !give me a pacifier |
| 15:19.18 | dpkg | give liable a pacifier |
| 15:20.21 | sml | is there anyway of having more than one /etc/passwd and some how having "source" style directives within the main passwd file. my passwd file is starting to get very confusing, it would be nice to group certain accounts in seperate files |
| 15:20.25 | sml | ideas? |
| 15:20.40 | liable | tarzeau: are you a pusher of old software |
| 15:20.45 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 15:20.51 | tarzeau | liable: no, but i'm not a pusher of new software either |
| 15:20.53 | jonz | and are there any static executables of fdisk, grub, mk*, etc available or will i need to build me own? |
| 15:21.05 | tarzeau | liable: but it's not fair to say all new software is sexy, and old software not |
| 15:21.21 | liable | tarzeau: ok as long as we understand each other |
| 15:21.22 | tarzeau | jonz: there's a static bash |
| 15:21.30 | tarzeau | liable: that's fine for me |
| 15:21.43 | simonrvn | sml: wtf |
| 15:21.51 | jonz | tarzeau ya i'm looking to put a bunch of rescue tools on my usb flash, but they whine about incorrect libc symbols and such, that's why i was curious if there were static tools around |
| 15:22.04 | jonz | i was hoping there would be a rescue image somewhere :\ |
| 15:22.05 | Steven_ | I'm looking for someone with qmail+procmail knowledge (#procmail and #qmail are dead it seems) |
| 15:22.06 | tarzeau | jonz: how large is your usb flash? |
| 15:22.11 | simonrvn | jonz: build them statically |
| 15:22.11 | jonz | tarzeau 1gb |
| 15:22.16 | tarzeau | jonz: want my honest opinion? |
| 15:22.20 | jonz | ya i'll have to roll my own i guess |
| 15:22.21 | tarzeau | jonz: put your favourite porn on it |
| 15:22.26 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 15:22.26 | jonz | tarzeau =) |
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| 15:22.39 | simonrvn | ffs. what kind of dumb advice is that? |
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| 15:22.46 | jonz | so tarzeau when your system jerks off, i guess you do too |
| 15:22.52 | FieldySnuts | uh |
| 15:22.57 | tarzeau | simonrvn: what system do you want to rescue with an usb stick? |
| 15:22.58 | FieldySnuts | think i'll go away for a bit |
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| 15:23.06 | tarzeau | jonz: my systems don't jerk off |
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| 15:23.13 | tarzeau | jonz: neither do i have to |
| 15:23.15 | simonrvn | ignored |
| 15:23.19 | FieldySnuts | omg |
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| 15:23.20 | liable | tarzeau: i was not trying to say old software was bad, just pointing out basically to update to fix any security patches |
| 15:23.25 | FieldySnuts | #debian-teenchat |
| 15:23.28 | billyoc | lol |
| 15:23.32 | Steven_ | qmail anyone ? |
| 15:23.35 | takatumi | jonz: still struggling eh? could it be the usb stick? |
| 15:23.35 | jonz | tarzeau actually it's a new install i'm looking to do, i need the tools for partitioning and installing an existing custom image on any new drive |
| 15:23.40 | Stereo | hi folks. I'd like to reconfigure my exim so it sends email via the ISP's smtp server instead of directly. I remember there being a dpkg choice thing when you install debian, does anyone know how to get back to that? |
| 15:23.41 | simonrvn | fucking stupid advice, IMO |
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| 15:23.45 | FieldySnuts | no thanks, annoying to install and administer |
| 15:23.45 | tarzeau | jonz: no cd drive? |
| 15:23.55 | stew | simonrvn: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 15:24.01 | stew | Stereo: ^^^ |
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| 15:24.12 | jonz | tarzeau nope |
| 15:24.14 | Stereo | stew: cheers :) |
| 15:24.16 | tarzeau | Steven_: #qmail |
| 15:24.20 | simonrvn | stew: mine is vim /etc/exim4/exim4.conf |
| 15:24.21 | tarzeau | jonz: netboot? |
| 15:24.21 | jonz | i've got the usb flash working i'm just curious if there's a rescue image i can put on it |
| 15:24.24 | jonz | or a rescue ISO |
| 15:24.30 | Steven_ | tarzeau : #qmail is dead |
| 15:24.35 | tarzeau | jonz: i have a rescue iso image |
| 15:24.36 | FieldySnuts | thankfully |
| 15:24.37 | DiegoElias | exim is a good mail server? |
| 15:24.38 | jonz | i'm using the hd image right now |
| 15:24.42 | tarzeau | jonz: dunno if it works from an usb stick |
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| 15:24.43 | jonz | tarzeau is there an official debian rescue iso? |
| 15:24.47 | Shay | hm, what's the problem with qmail? |
| 15:24.49 | tarzeau | jonz: not that i know of |
| 15:24.51 | stew | Stereo: qmail isnt' in debian becuase its non-free |
| 15:24.52 | level-52 | anyone know package have same function with kdcop |
| 15:24.54 | Shay | !start a mta war |
| 15:24.54 | dpkg | postfix has shitty documentation |
| 15:24.56 | stew | jeez |
| 15:24.56 | jonz | tarzeau ya it will |
| 15:24.57 | Stereo | simonrvn: *giggle* I figured the dpkg thing would be quicker and cleaner |
| 15:24.59 | tarzeau | jonz: livecd.gnustep.org has rescued some systems for me |
| 15:25.04 | takatumi | jonz: can it boot d-i now? |
| 15:25.05 | Stereo | stew: I didn't mention qmail :) |
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| 15:25.08 | liable | hump tarzeau |
| 15:25.09 | tarzeau | jonz: you can tell me if you want more tools on it |
| 15:25.14 | tarzeau | !breastfeed liable |
| 15:25.26 | simonrvn | Stereo: heh, yeh, if you haven't done major tweaks to it i suppose ;) |
| 15:25.31 | jonz | so i should use some other distro for rescuing? |
| 15:25.32 | Stereo | nah |
| 15:25.38 | tarzeau | DiegoElias: i've been using it for years |
| 15:25.42 | Stereo | otherwise I would have installed postfix on that box |
| 15:26.02 | Stereo | well |
| 15:26.03 | simonrvn | jonz: sheel isn't good enough for you? ;p |
| 15:26.06 | Stereo | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4-config is not installed |
| 15:26.06 | simonrvn | shell even |
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| 15:26.27 | FieldySnuts | liable: it's ravenbird that you can tell to hump somebody |
| 15:26.37 | jonz | sheel? |
| 15:26.39 | Turjakas` | umm.. anyone ? :) |
| 15:26.41 | jonz | ah |
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| 15:26.48 | liable | FieldySnuts: yeah, fucked up eh |
| 15:26.50 | Stereo | the only exim-related package on there is 'exim' AFAICT |
| 15:26.58 | jonz | well the current initrd image lacks any real rescue tools |
| 15:27.03 | FieldySnuts | liable: i should know, i created that factoid |
| 15:27.07 | liable | FieldySnuts: your bot? |
| 15:27.09 | jonz | so i'm needing to either roll my own or d/l one |
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| 15:27.10 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 15:27.20 | DiegoElias | tarzeau: how much account do you manage? |
| 15:27.28 | simonrvn | Stereo: i bet it's still v3... eximconfig (does fuck all, might as well edit by hand) |
| 15:27.57 | flexy | is anybody else having problems compiling kernel using make-kpkg ? |
| 15:27.57 | takatumi | jonz: if it boots up, use alt-F2 for shell. |
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| 15:27.57 | Steven_ | Shay : the problem is that 2 of my users can use preline in .qmail, and another user can't |
| 15:27.57 | tarzeau | DiegoElias: 3 |
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| 15:27.58 | Crasp | anybody here using the awstats package from debian? I'm having a lot of trouble setting it up with the awstats docs. It appears a lot of Aliases in httpd.conf cannot be created because the local directory does not exists within the awstats debian install |
| 15:27.58 | Steven_ | Shay : and I don't know why this is happening |
| 15:27.58 | jonz | takatumi i boot into expert mode, and tell it i want a shell...but fdisk and other tools aren't there |
| 15:28.02 | Steven_ | Shay : do you know how I can debug qmail ? |
| 15:28.03 | liable | FieldySnuts: must learn how to abuse the bots more effiently |
| 15:28.07 | DiegoElias | tarzeau: do you think that exim support 3000 ? |
| 15:28.10 | jonz | is the alt-f2 shell using a different image from the cd? |
| 15:28.11 | petemc | Steven_: using woody? eximconfig |
| 15:28.14 | petemc | gah |
| 15:28.17 | petemc | Stereo: ^^^ |
| 15:28.22 | tarzeau | DiegoElias: yes. but i don't have experiences how well or bad it does so |
| 15:28.27 | Shay | Steven_; checking the logs? |
| 15:28.31 | maxxle | I have here a 'PCM' device in my volume control - What is PCM for? |
| 15:28.47 | Steven_ | Shay : nothing useful in the logs |
| 15:28.52 | simonrvn | liable: must learn that doing so will get you ignored by them |
| 15:28.55 | Shay | Steven_; let me check |
| 15:28.58 | tarzeau | jonz: you looked at the iso i gave you? |
| 15:29.02 | Crasp | pcm is your "wave" output |
| 15:29.04 | takatumi | jonz: the sarge installer, d-i |
| 15:29.04 | tarzeau | jonz: it has fdisk and all the tools one wants |
| 15:29.23 | maxxle | Crasp: thx |
| 15:29.23 | jonz | tarzeau i'd really like to use a debian distro if possible |
| 15:29.23 | Stereo | petemc: sarge, but that's it! Cheers! |
| 15:29.23 | tarzeau | jonz: it is based on debian "sid" |
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| 15:29.30 | liable | simonrvn: the bots cant /ignore can they |
| 15:29.33 | petemc | Stereo: looking back i see simonrvn had already gave you that answer :) |
| 15:29.34 | takatumi | even better. |
| 15:29.37 | simonrvn | these can |
| 15:29.42 | greycat | liable: they can. |
| 15:29.48 | FieldySnuts | trust me they can |
| 15:29.49 | jonz | ya that's what i boot, the debian installer, takatumi and when i go to "execute a shell" i got no tools |
| 15:29.49 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: hi |
| 15:29.54 | FieldySnuts | apt: hi |
| 15:29.54 | apt | privet |
| 15:30.02 | FieldySnuts | ok well they both used to ignore me |
| 15:30.02 | jonz | they've got to be there somewhere, i suppose, since the installer uses them |
| 15:30.03 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: hi |
| 15:30.16 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: hi |
| 15:30.18 | liable | well, I have many things to learn |
| 15:30.19 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 15:30.24 | tarzeau | jonz: they are compressed there. really d-i is not good for rescuing stuff |
| 15:30.46 | jonz | tarzeau how do you uncompress them? where are they located? |
| 15:30.47 | takatumi | simonrvn: that "hi" was aimed the rest of 'em except us. ;-/ |
| 15:30.48 | tarzeau | jonz: i managed to screw up an important system with the debian installer system |
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| 15:31.04 | tarzeau | jonz: you don't. don't use debian install systems to rescue anything! |
| 15:31.07 | simonrvn | takatumi: i was imitating a bot reply |
| 15:31.14 | tarzeau | jonz: i told you what worked very well for me to rescue systems. |
| 15:31.24 | takatumi | simonrvn: duh |
| 15:31.29 | jonz | i'm not sure if i really need a rescue image either - all i need to do is boot the kernel, fdisk the drive, mkfs, untar a distribution, then install a boot record |
| 15:31.39 | liable | bot /ignore hmmmm it doesnt get much worse than that |
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| 15:31.49 | raf256 | with moron put gFTP into sarge? |
| 15:31.51 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | hello |
| 15:31.54 | raf256 | gFTP is fucked up since a month |
| 15:32.00 | jonz | i'd *like* to end up with a usb flash i can just stick in that will do everything on its own, then power down the system |
| 15:32.05 | raf256 | it fucks end of uploaded files |
| 15:32.08 | jonz | so i can rapidly image new units |
| 15:32.15 | takatumi | raf256: file a fucking bug and stfu. |
| 15:32.22 | billyoc | lol |
| 15:32.28 | raf256 | I did and no fucking one did fix it |
| 15:32.32 | billyoc | use last month's version. |
| 15:32.34 | resiak | raf256: Are you fucking sure? It fucking worksforme |
| 15:32.35 | raf256 | this shit should be removed from sarge |
| 15:32.41 | FieldySnuts | don't whine to us then, it's not OUR fault |
| 15:32.47 | jonz | so i'm wondering if i should just roll my own initrd with those tools and an install script |
| 15:32.50 | liable | !ignore me |
| 15:32.58 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:33.00 | liable | heh |
| 15:33.01 | raf256 | resiak: well it always terminate while uploading end of file, while other ssh clients work fine. |
| 15:33.23 | stew | raf256: whats the bug# |
| 15:33.24 | liable | never knew dpkg was a girl |
| 15:33.29 | stew | !gender |
| 15:33.29 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 15:33.36 | FieldySnuts | ~gender |
| 15:33.37 | apt | I'm gay |
| 15:33.38 | stew | !gender |
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| 15:33.40 | FieldySnuts | .... |
| 15:33.42 | tarzeau | takatumi: hehe www.linuks.mine.nu/stfu-noob.jpg |
| 15:33.51 | simonrvn | @gender |
| 15:33.52 | ravenbird | I'm not sure |
| 15:33.54 | resiak | raf256: gFTP isn't a fucking ssh client. |
| 15:33.56 | liable | dpkg: your a very fucking confused bot |
| 15:33.57 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:34.03 | resiak | !gender |
| 15:34.04 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
| 15:34.07 | raf256 | resiak: I ment fucking SCP |
| 15:34.09 | takatumi | tarzeau: nice. |
| 15:34.10 | FieldySnuts | how is gay or lesibian a *gender* |
| 15:34.13 | liable | heh lo,l |
| 15:34.17 | resiak | raf256: gFTP does fucking SCP? |
| 15:34.18 | raf256 | </table> |
| 15:34.20 | raf256 | and fucking error is filed by me here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168163 |
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| 15:34.26 | FieldySnuts | raf256: shut up already. |
| 15:34.28 | raf256 | resiak: yes he does |
| 15:34.32 | raf256 | FieldySnuts: stfu ho |
| 15:34.36 | stew | raf256: why not file a bug in the bts? |
| 15:34.40 | FieldySnuts | you did not just call me a ho |
| 15:34.42 | takatumi | raf256: at gnome? wtf? |
| 15:34.43 | FieldySnuts | little boy |
| 15:34.45 | greycat | FieldySnuts: it's a joke, not a dissertation on gender politics |
| 15:34.49 | FieldySnuts | oh ok |
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| 15:34.56 | FieldySnuts | grr brb, kiddie getting on my nerves |
| 15:34.59 | raf256 | I did do a bug report a bug ago and its still not re fucking paired |
| 15:35.04 | Tuttle | firebird2-classic-server package does not include resident daemon? it needs to be run from inetd? |
| 15:35.11 | FieldySnuts | who cares, debian is not in charge of fixing gftpd. |
| 15:35.15 | takatumi | !btssmite raf256 |
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| 15:35.20 | Kiowas | hello |
| 15:35.21 | greycat | raf256: that's gnome's bugzilla, not debian's. why would we care? |
| 15:35.31 | raf256 | yeah but mainter should remove this fucked up version from fraking sarge |
| 15:35.38 | liable | dpkg: you are not a lesbian, you are confised |
| 15:35.38 | dpkg | liable: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:35.44 | FieldySnuts | yeah, 'm sure they'll take that into consideration with your attitude. |
| 15:35.45 | greycat | raf256: tell the maintainer, then. we can't fix it. |
| 15:35.46 | resiak | raf256: THEN FILE A BUG IN THE DEBIAN BTS AND SHUT UP ALREADY |
| 15:35.47 | simonrvn | oh stfu already. can't file a bug properly |
| 15:35.49 | FieldySnuts | no wonder you get ignored. |
| 15:35.50 | tarzeau | raf256: maintainers don't remove versions |
| 15:35.52 | EdibleText | during boot /etc/init.d/rcS (during the 'for i in /etc/rcS.d/S??*' loop) segfaults then produces the error "/bin/sh: bad interpreter: bad address" for each of the scripts in the rcS.d dir |
| 15:35.57 | EdibleText | like weird |
| 15:35.59 | raf256 | ofucking right then |
| 15:36.07 | greycat | !pal GNOME users |
| 15:36.13 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:36.13 | raf256 | !smite gFTP author m. fucker |
| 15:36.13 | liable | FieldySnuts: ? you talking to me? |
| 15:36.20 | FieldySnuts | liable: i forgot, too much going on here |
| 15:36.27 | Kiowas | is there any way I can copy my list of packages then put it on a different installation and upgrade to match it? |
| 15:36.34 | greycat | Kiowas: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 15:36.52 | raf256 | greycat: well, KDE's krusader have also fucked up SCP connection code, but in different way |
| 15:37.02 | raf256 | any _good_ and fucking stable GUI SCP clients in debian? |
| 15:37.05 | greycat | raf256: awwwww, how sad for you. |
| 15:37.16 | tarzeau | dpkg for x |
| 15:37.16 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 15:37.19 | FieldySnuts | raf256: let me give you a hint: this is #debian , we use the software, not write it or maintain it. you're wasting yoru time. |
| 15:37.23 | petemc | raf256: is sftp://user@host in konqueror/nautilus not sufficient? |
| 15:37.25 | Kiowas | thanks |
| 15:37.25 | billyoc | raf256: I heard scp is pretty cool. |
| 15:37.30 | simonrvn | there are none. and it isn't debian's fault. now stop whining |
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| 15:37.59 | treestone | raf256: What on Earth would be the point of a graphical scp client? |
| 15:38.09 | tarzeau | raf256: buy a mac, there's a good one for os x |
| 15:38.11 | raf256 | treestone: more comfortable |
| 15:38.14 | FieldySnuts | so the user doesnt' actually have to know how to sue it |
| 15:38.18 | FieldySnuts | use |
| 15:38.20 | petemc | treestone: drag and drop files and dirs |
| 15:38.21 | billyoc | l33tness |
| 15:38.21 | tarzeau | raf256: later port it to gnustep so we can have it on linux |
| 15:38.30 | raf256 | there is an excelent client - WinScp3, but it dsont have linux verison |
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| 15:38.39 | petemc | raf256: windscp sucks balls |
| 15:38.56 | raf256 | petemc: no, it is awesome, no linux soft (that I know) have half of its functionality |
| 15:39.08 | raf256 | or can You suggest some _good_ and fucking stable client for linux? |
| 15:39.10 | raf256 | console or X |
| 15:39.11 | billyoc | sounds like you miss it |
| 15:39.13 | tarzeau | raf256: oh wait only sftp, not scp: http://cyberduck.ch/ |
| 15:39.15 | takatumi | raf256: what kind of functionality? |
| 15:39.23 | petemc | raf256: interesting how you wont respond to my siggestion, yet you jump right on that - i think we have a window into your personality |
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| 15:39.29 | petemc | s/sigg/sugg/ |
| 15:39.45 | raf256 | takatumi: maitaining an WWW page... so synchronizing dirs, copying,, compare, option to NOT ask to overwrite? |
| 15:39.54 | billyoc | virus/trojan/worms.. you know, functionality. |
| 15:39.57 | resiak | raf256: rsync! |
| 15:40.01 | Tuttle | rsync! |
| 15:40.09 | raf256 | resiak: server dont have rsync yet |
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| 15:40.21 | Gathond | petemc: actually I have found openssh's sftp client rather lacking (no tab completion and no resume support) |
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| 15:40.32 | greycat | rsync can be made to run over ssh. install rsync there in your $HOME/bin. |
| 15:40.33 | Gathond | raf256: I suggest using yafc for sftp |
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| 15:40.37 | caphuso | lftp! |
| 15:40.38 | petemc | Gathond: i suggested konqueror/nautilus |
| 15:40.44 | maff | anyone familiar with 'dialog' |
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| 15:40.51 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 15:40.52 | takatumi | lftp is the best here. |
| 15:40.52 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:40.55 | simonrvn | lftp does all kinds of protos |
| 15:40.57 | raf256 | petemc: konqueror? hmm |
| 15:40.59 | Gathond | petemc: ahh, must have missed that then :) |
| 15:41.20 | petemc | :) |
| 15:41.35 | simonrvn | and if you want "graphical", run it an xterm... |
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| 15:42.01 | Stereo | thank you simonrvn and petemc |
| 15:42.02 | Tuttle | simonrvn: :-)) |
| 15:42.12 | simonrvn | Stereo: np |
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| 15:42.40 | billyoc | doesn't that mc do ssl transfers too? |
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| 15:42.52 | FieldySnuts | badger-ssl? |
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| 15:43.00 | FieldySnuts | snaaaake-tls? |
| 15:43.03 | simonrvn | ssh |
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| 15:43.21 | takatumi | mushroom-shh! |
| 15:43.22 | resiak | FieldySnuts: muSSHroom. |
| 15:43.27 | FieldySnuts | doh |
| 15:43.33 | resiak | takatumi: *highfive* |
| 15:43.35 | Turjakas` | I'll ask this again: I installed debian sarge on an old Compaq Armada 4220T laptop. Everything else went fine, but at startup the kernel complains about DMA timeouts when it's trying to list partitions on the hard disk. The system boots after some more errors about dma timeouts.. does this mean that the kernel is not using dma with hd-access ? How could I solve this, is this a problem with the ide driver? The kernel is 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 15:43.47 | takatumi | resiak: ^5 |
| 15:43.53 | resiak | takatumi: Hah. |
| 15:43.57 | maxxle | how can I use the history-function of bash? !<Tab>? |
| 15:43.59 | sml | Turjakas`: disable dma ? |
| 15:44.18 | petemc | maxxle: !comma.. !number |
| 15:44.22 | FieldySnuts | maxxle: up arrow, or more usefully, ctl-r then start typing a part of the command and watch it auto-complete it |
| 15:44.25 | Turjakas` | sml: ew, how exactly ? :) |
| 15:44.27 | FieldySnuts | or that |
| 15:44.36 | petemc | maxxle: !comma being the start of the command you want to repeat |
| 15:45.07 | sml | Turjakas`: using hdparm |
| 15:45.16 | Turjakas` | sml: and how come the OS still runs if the dma doesn't work and it is not disabled ? |
| 15:45.19 | Turjakas` | hmm.. |
| 15:45.30 | FieldySnuts | it will, just slowly |
| 15:45.53 | dambodog_ | how do i set the reverse dns on my server? |
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| 15:45.58 | sml | Turjakas`: hdparm -d0 /dev/hda |
| 15:46.17 | petemc | dambodog_: your isp has to delegate control of it to you, they usually dont - ask them |
| 15:46.19 | maxxle | k |
| 15:47.03 | sml | Turjakas`: you said it was complaining about DMA so my suggestion was to disable it. I dont really know anything about it though, but I've read in various how-to's that if you get trouble with DMA, to disable it. |
| 15:47.11 | S4nD3r_ | Hello, Im trying to create a boot disk, to boot a friends computer that lost grub. I will try to help him, recover grub... dd if=root.img of=/dev/fd0 . I have the 1st CD from Debian installation, which image should I choose?? |
| 15:47.22 | sml | Turjakas`: maybe someone here can give you a better informed answer. |
| 15:47.40 | takatumi | S4nD3r_: use CD1 |
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| 15:48.00 | S4nD3r_ | Ok, which image file, must I take in the dd command? |
| 15:48.04 | Turjakas` | sml: ok.. It would be just a good thing to have dma working.. |
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| 15:48.12 | takatumi | S4nD3r_: no CD drive? |
| 15:48.21 | S4nD3r_ | In cd disk |
| 15:48.28 | S4nD3r_ | there are some .img files |
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| 15:48.55 | S4nD3r_ | ./install/floppy/cd-drivers.img, this one ./install/floppy/net-drivers.img and this one ./install/floppy/root.img |
| 15:49.16 | S4nD3r_ | and ./install/floppy/boot.img |
| 15:49.16 | Kerr | How can i find out what resilution my screen is at, what hz, etc? I know the info is in proc somewhere, but don't know where. |
| 15:49.27 | stew | S4nD3r_: boot.img and root.img |
| 15:49.36 | sml | Turjakas`: sure.. coz its quicker. |
| 15:49.49 | m4lu6 | question: i want to make a kernel based off of debian's (packaged) "config-2.4.26-1-686-smp" file, [more] |
| 15:50.02 | m4lu6 | what's the "make" syntax to "load" that file as the config i want to use? |
| 15:50.08 | greycat | m4lu6: cp file .config |
| 15:50.13 | greycat | m4lu6: make oldconfig |
| 15:50.14 | m4lu6 | greycat, righto. |
| 15:50.28 | m4lu6 | ok, i knew the oldconfig, but didn't know where it pulled from, i guess it pulls from .config, then? great. |
| 15:50.30 | m4lu6 | thanks. |
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| 15:51.05 | sml | Turjakas`: if you have a hardware problem you shouldn't use DMA |
| 15:51.20 | resiak | /var/www/firth/templates |
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| 15:51.27 | resiak | Oh, piss, sorry all. |
| 15:51.32 | sml | Turjakas`: However, enabling DMA has its downside. It requires that all the components of your system are "healthy". If there is a hardware related problem in any one of the related system components, DMA will fail to function properly." |
| 15:51.39 | sml | Turjakas`: that's quoted from da net. |
| 15:52.03 | Turjakas` | sml: yep, I wish I knew what's the cause of this.. though I'm also using windows and dma works there well |
| 15:52.20 | S4nD3r_ | stew, 2 floppies then? |
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| 15:52.46 | stew | S4nD3r_: yes, or boot off the install cd if thats possible |
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| 15:53.03 | FlycKER | using 2.4.18-1-686: when i try: tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1: htb default 12 - get this message - RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument ... anyone have the solution? |
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| 15:53.28 | stew | FlycKER: i don't think 2.4.18 has htb, what does modprobe cls_htb say? |
| 15:53.38 | stew | FlycKER: you either have to upgrade to a newer kernel or use cbq |
| 15:53.53 | Turjakas` | sml: I read that some older 2.4 kernels had problems using dma on this laptop.. but I haven't found any documentation on how to solve this |
| 15:54.12 | FlycKER | stew: cls_htb dont exist... |
| 15:54.14 | sml | Turjakas`: you using woody ? |
| 15:54.36 | Turjakas` | sml: sarge |
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| 15:54.45 | sml | Turjakas`: why not use a 2.6 kernel then? |
| 15:54.51 | FlycKER | stew: okey... How i upgrade my kernel using stable woody version? |
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| 15:55.21 | resiak | FlycKER: Must you use Woody? |
| 15:55.22 | Blissex | FlycKER: you cannot. |
| 15:55.26 | Turjakas` | sml: I couldn't find one for 586tsc.. only 686.. |
| 15:55.27 | resiak | Blissex: Not true. |
| 15:55.28 | resiak | !bunk |
| 15:55.28 | dpkg | methinks bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 15:55.28 | stew | FlycKER: download a newer 2.4 kernel source, and compile by hand |
| 15:55.32 | resiak | FlycKER: ^^ |
| 15:55.33 | sml | Turjakas`: oh i see. |
| 15:55.35 | stew | resiak: no |
| 15:55.36 | FlycKER | Im use woody 3.0r4 |
| 15:55.39 | stew | not 2.6 |
| 15:55.45 | resiak | stew: Just a thought. |
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| 15:55.47 | Blissex | resiak: then it is no longer Woody. |
| 15:55.50 | stew | htb is available on newer 2.4 kernels |
| 15:55.53 | sml | Turjakas`: get a source package and use make-kpkg ? |
| 15:56.04 | FlycKER | stew: hummm okie |
| 15:56.14 | Blissex | resiak: there is no way to use 2.6 and still be running Woody. |
| 15:56.21 | resiak | Blissex: Fair enough. |
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| 15:56.29 | stew | FlycKER: is this wondershaper or something? you could also a cbq version of wondershaper that would work |
| 15:56.34 | S4nD3r_ | stew |
| 15:56.38 | S4nD3r_ | Please... |
| 15:56.49 | stew | please what? |
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| 15:56.50 | S4nD3r_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.54 | Turjakas` | sml: yeah, probably i'll try that next.. I just hope that the driver won't trash my hd completely before that :) |
| 15:56.59 | S4nD3r_ | I did that, then Iam in grub |
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| 15:57.04 | FlycKER | stew: package "shapper" ? but i like and know tc |
| 15:57.08 | S4nD3r_ | in grub command line |
| 15:57.13 | Blissex | resiak: admittedly I was running a not-quite-Woody system myself :-) |
| 15:57.15 | S4nD3r_ | how do I install grub in my HD ? |
| 15:57.18 | sml | Turjakas`: disable DMA for now. |
| 15:57.26 | redduck666 | why i can run programs as $ but can't as #? |
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| 15:57.53 | Turjakas` | sml: i'm trying to, but first I have to download and install hdparm.. the base system doesnt contain it |
| 15:57.55 | sml | redduck666: precede the command name with ./ |
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| 15:58.09 | liable | S4nD3r_: #grub |
| 15:58.17 | stew | S4nD3r_: wtf. you created an ext2 filesystem on fd0 then overwrote it twice? |
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| 15:58.19 | stu-pid | I have a nice collection of linux os -s. would it be possible to put 50 different next to each other on one harddrive and able to boot all of them? |
| 15:58.21 | sml | redduck666: probably your $PATH doesn't include it , or check the perms of the binary to make sure its executable |
| 15:58.31 | sinned | what package provides tcpserver? |
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| 15:59.01 | sml | Turjakas`: boot from knoppix , knoppix has hdparm. then install debian from there |
| 15:59.07 | FlycKER | sinned: hit: try use apt-file (apt-get instal apt-file, apt-file update, apt-file search tcpserver) |
| 15:59.09 | billyoc | raf256: btw, i can't reproduce your problem with gftp 2.0.18. |
| 15:59.10 | takatumi | S4nD3r_: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html#Installing%20GRUB%20natively |
| 15:59.25 | stew | S4nD3r_: did you create the boot and root disks? |
| 15:59.27 | sinned | oh i was using apt-cache |
| 15:59.29 | sean_micken | does anyone know how to get a menu to pause/play/rewind/forward a video in mplayerplug-in? |
| 15:59.30 | raf256 | billyoc: hm I have it every time over here |
| 15:59.37 | raf256 | billyoc: on 2 different debian boxes |
| 15:59.45 | sinned | apt-file isnt installed |
| 16:00.43 | FlycKER | sinned: but apt-file is the list of all files in the packages |
| 16:00.43 | Turjakas` | sml: the laptop has a network connection and i'm just installing hdparm.. |
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| 16:00.44 | ecivo | gibt es irgendwo ne /etc/group referenzfile online? habe gestern durch n saublöden fehler meine etwas gekillt... |
| 16:00.44 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 16:00.44 | FlycKER | sinned: try: apt-file search tcpserver ... this is show you the name of package who contain this file |
| 16:00.52 | sinned | thanks will try it. |
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| 16:02.07 | ecivo | ups, sorry |
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| 16:02.25 | simonrvn | heh |
| 16:02.39 | FlycKER | !real kernel |
| 16:02.39 | dpkg | real kernel is, like, The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 16:02.52 | FlycKER | !real compile kernel |
| 16:03.01 | greycat | FlycKER: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 16:03.12 | petemc | sinned: that may not work as the binary isnt freely distributable, it should be in ucspi-tcp |
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| 16:03.32 | FlycKER | tks |
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| 16:05.18 | Donm | how do i remove a symlink? |
| 16:05.21 | petemc | Donm: rm |
| 16:05.22 | sml | Donm: rm |
| 16:06.16 | Donm | well i tried that |
| 16:06.32 | Donm | eh |
| 16:06.32 | element14 | if you're removing a dir, don't add the / at the end |
| 16:06.33 | Donm | how weird |
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| 16:06.51 | sml | Turjakas`: Slow and unreliable installs, CRC errors, file corruptions and even random system lockups are all symptoms of DMA related problems |
| 16:06.52 | Donm | rm: cannot remove directory `/usr/local/apache/': Is a directory |
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| 16:07.02 | sml | Turjakas`: Ring any bells? |
| 16:07.04 | Donm | rm: cannot remove `apache/': Not a directory |
| 16:07.04 | element14 | i repeat: if you're removing a dir, don't add the / at the end |
| 16:07.08 | sml | Donm: rmdir. |
| 16:07.16 | Donm | oh |
| 16:07.20 | m4lu6 | greycat, you're a smart one, answer me this if you can: Box A is a XEON, it's known to be a XEON. It's currently running a kernel, 2.4.26, which specifies CONFIG_486=Y in it's /boot/config file. What would the CPU show up as if i did a cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 16:07.21 | sml | Donm: however are you sure you want to? |
| 16:07.22 | Donm | yeh i didn't see the / |
| 16:07.29 | Donm | yes i am 100% positive i want to |
| 16:07.33 | Donm | it's a symlink |
| 16:07.37 | Donm | to /etc/httpd/conf |
| 16:07.40 | Donm | erm /etc/httpd |
| 16:07.49 | Donm | but yes i removed it thanks |
| 16:07.52 | greycat | m4lu6: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686 |
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| 16:08.28 | kombi | what do you burn cds from the command line with? |
| 16:08.39 | tarzeau | kombi: cdrecord |
| 16:08.43 | m4lu6 | greycat, can't do that, the box i'm inspecting is a slackware box (it's not my box, it's my dept's linux box; i'm new to the dept, and am trying to show the n00b admin what's what) |
| 16:08.44 | tarzeau | kombi: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ |
| 16:08.48 | kombi | thanks! |
| 16:09.22 | m4lu6 | He insists that it's a 2xXEON, which may or may not be true, i really don't know, it's 2500 miles away from me., anyhow. |
| 16:09.45 | stew | m4lu6: it would show up as a single processor xeon with a non smp 486 kernel |
| 16:09.51 | Turjakas` | sml: no problems at all.. despite the fact that i got those dma timeouts and probably run the os with dma disabled |
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| 16:10.11 | m4lu6 | i'm trying to get his kernel compiled for SMP, w/2.4.26 sources ... just curious about that CONFIG_M486=Y in the running kernel's config file |
| 16:10.31 | Turjakas` | sml: seems to be a common problem with these old compaq laptops.. i've found couple of sites describing the problem and telling me to disable dma |
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| 16:10.39 | stew | m4lu6: why not just apt-get a smp 686 kernel instead of compiling one yourself? |
| 16:10.42 | sml | m4lu6: if you were *that* curious you'd have googled for the answer. |
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| 16:10.51 | sanxiyn | "Now I feel like a piece of code that's been through QA but is now in production." -- Branden Robinson |
| 16:10.54 | sanxiyn | How geeky is that? |
| 16:10.57 | m4lu6 | stew, because it's a slackwarebox. |
| 16:11.03 | kombi | tarzeau: will cdrecord support ata writers? |
| 16:11.16 | m4lu6 | sml, thanks for that sage advice. |
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| 16:11.42 | sml | m4lu6: I typed it in and was presented with *exactly* what CONFIG_M486 does. |
| 16:11.53 | sml | m4lu6: so yes. it's sage advice. |
| 16:12.04 | tarzeau | kombi: no idea |
| 16:12.05 | m4lu6 | and i thank you. |
| 16:12.14 | sml | m4lu6: You're welcome. |
| 16:12.17 | yancy | Is there a dependency bug on the package 'python-parted', when I run apt-get install python-parted, I got the errmsg: python-parted: Depends: libparted1.6-0 (>= 1.6.0) but it is not installable . But I have installed libparted1.6-12. |
| 16:12.21 | Scooby | I'm having a networking problem in Debian. Is this the corect place to solicit advice? |
| 16:12.40 | stew | yancy: what version of debian are you using? |
| 16:12.46 | Scooby | Sorry, sarge. |
| 16:12.47 | gpm | kombi: cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus .... |
| 16:12.49 | yancy | sid |
| 16:12.54 | gpm | kombi: or are you talking about something else? |
| 16:12.54 | yancy | stew, sid |
| 16:12.56 | kombi | kewl! |
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| 16:13.16 | stew | yancy: do you have non-debian sources in sources.list? |
| 16:13.19 | stew | yancy: did you check the bts? |
| 16:13.24 | valdyn | yancy: sid constantly has missing deps and similar "bugs". hence its debians unstable branch |
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| 16:13.42 | sanxiyn | yancy: Yes, python-parted dep is broken in sid. |
| 16:13.48 | sanxiyn | (As usual in sid) |
| 16:14.09 | gpm | actually, i think sid is pretty stable. maybe though it's because i was expecting unstable |
| 16:14.24 | takatumi | gpm: does gpm work? |
| 16:14.30 | stew | gpm: unstable doesn't mean what you think it means in debian |
| 16:14.31 | sinned | Starting vpopmail pop3 server: vpopmail. |
| 16:14.31 | sinned | start-stop-daemon: stat /usr/bin/tcpserver: No such file or directory |
| 16:14.33 | yancy | oops, thanks. so can I fix this manully? |
| 16:14.55 | valdyn | !tell yancy about sid |
| 16:14.57 | sinned | tcpserver is not part of any package I can find |
| 16:14.57 | gpm | takatumi: haha, i haven't tried. gpm are my initials. but it is nice to have that second reference in my nick |
| 16:15.07 | gpm | stew: i know that now. |
| 16:15.07 | valdyn | yancy: why run sid if you have to ask this? |
| 16:15.07 | sanxiyn | yancy: Well, you can rebuild deb from source. |
| 16:15.17 | petemc | sinned: i think i gave you your answer |
| 16:15.17 | takatumi | gpm: mouse on console. |
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| 16:15.31 | gpm | stew: i bet the name turns away a lot of people though who subsequently complain about the out of date packages in stable |
| 16:15.45 | gpm | takatumi: oh, i know. i just never have had a need for it. i'm always in X |
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| 16:15.53 | sanxiyn | Well, even testing is very up to date. |
| 16:16.07 | sml | testing is very up-to-date and very robust. |
| 16:16.10 | greycat | sinned: it's part of DJB's ucspi-tcp which is non-free. try "apt-get install ucspi-tcp-src"... |
| 16:16.27 | ecivo | can anyone help me on alsa please, Im really stuck, the manuals don't solve my problem... |
| 16:16.46 | valdyn | !tell ecivo about alsa 2.6 |
| 16:16.47 | takatumi | greycat: vrms wouldn't like that. |
| 16:16.52 | greycat | takatumi: indeed |
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| 16:17.14 | sanxiyn | re python-parted, bug #284081 is interesting. |
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| 16:17.38 | takatumi | tried it and got rid of both. (uspci and vrms) |
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| 16:17.55 | ecivo | valdyn, wow! and what if I've allready done all this and it still doesn't work? |
| 16:18.02 | moon12 | startx command not found? |
| 16:18.07 | greycat | !faq |
| 16:18.08 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:18.08 | Rawplayer | :\ |
| 16:18.45 | moon12 | any ideas? |
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| 16:18.48 | sml | what does wiki stand for? wikipedea ? |
| 16:18.56 | greycat | look up wiki in wikipedia. |
| 16:18.57 | sanxiyn | sml: heh |
| 16:18.59 | sml | also what does d-i stand for ? |
| 16:19.01 | Rawplayer | \o/ |
| 16:19.02 | gpm | hehe |
| 16:19.04 | greycat | sml: debian-installer |
| 16:19.04 | element14 | lol |
| 16:19.05 | PerfDave | !d-i |
| 16:19.05 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 16:19.10 | caphuso | !wiki |
| 16:19.10 | sml | ah.. ok. |
| 16:19.18 | caphuso | 18:19 [dpkg] no help on wikipedia. Use 'help' without arguments. |
| 16:19.25 | sml | the new rc3 debian-installer is very nice. played with it the other day |
| 16:19.26 | greycat | hah. |
| 16:19.31 | greycat | !wiki wiki |
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| 16:19.40 | sml | !wookie |
| 16:19.40 | dpkg | it has been said that wookie is a big hairy ape like creature from the mind of George Lucas. He was chewy in the star wars movies. |
| 16:19.41 | sml | :) |
| 16:19.43 | sml | hahahahah |
| 16:19.46 | sanxiyn | "wiki wiki" is a Hawaiian word for "quick", IIRC. |
| 16:19.50 | valdyn | ecivo: then you need to tell us what error message your are getting or what exactly does not function |
| 16:19.54 | sanxiyn | (Not "wiki" alone) |
| 16:19.59 | andax_ | is it possible to use a via CLE266 videocard with anything else than standard vesa driver? i tried the unichrome drivers for xfree, but it comes without docs and i couldn't compile it. I tried x.org from sources (4.5.0) it should have a via cle266 driver built in, but it only produce a nice black screen of death. i have sid/2.6.11-7/agpgart with via is enabled. |
| 16:20.01 | GUALICHO | hay alguien que hable español |
| 16:20.05 | Scooby | I'm having a networking problem in Debian sarge. Is this the corect location to solicit advice? |
| 16:20.08 | andax_ | so how to get this cle266 to work |
| 16:20.08 | tarzeau | !dpkg es |
| 16:20.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:20.09 | sml | !es |
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| 16:20.33 | sml | I was close. One day I'll work these darn bots out |
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| 16:20.46 | tarzeau | !es |
| 16:20.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:20.47 | EdibleText | Scooby, ask your question. |
| 16:20.47 | sml | Then hopefully I'll ask less questions! |
| 16:20.48 | PerfDave | Scooby: Try, and you might get an answer :) |
| 16:20.49 | tarzeau | sml: that was you |
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| 16:21.05 | valdyn | andax_: /msg dpkg unichrome, additionally via just announced their own free drivers for unichrome, no idea how usuable those are |
| 16:21.11 | sml | tarzeau: Yeah dpkg said someone had already said that 1 second ago ;) |
| 16:21.14 | ecivo | valdyn, thanks :) Hm, the Problem was pretty simple, I start xmms hit play, it says: didn't find soundcard... |
| 16:21.45 | valdyn | ecivo: did you configure xmms to output sound to alsa? are you running gnome? |
| 16:21.48 | ecivo | valdyn, the mod's are loaded, the mixerlevels are up, I'm member of the audio group |
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| 16:22.07 | ecivo | valdyn, yes gnome, yes is configured to use alsa |
| 16:22.08 | ht990332 | hi, I'm using mepis which is supposed to be be based on debian. anyone knows how I can get my saa7134 card to work on it? |
| 16:22.09 | andax_ | valdyn, via drivers are completely unusable. it's not an option, and i have trouble compiling the unichrome drivers. i would need some docs or something because it comes without a makefile |
| 16:22.24 | Scooby | I'm trying to set up sarge as a firewall. When the computer boots, the interface is brought up, but is not accessible for incomming traffic until after I ping out from the server. Any ideas what I may have configured wrong? |
| 16:22.24 | valdyn | ecivo: ps aux | grep esd |
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| 16:22.57 | runa_ | hey :) I have unreal installed here and after playing for a while everything fucks up: every sprite is wrong, weird things appear instead of letters, etc. Any ideas? |
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| 16:23.18 | valdyn | andax_: dpkg told you about a site, there are precompiled debian packages |
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| 16:23.47 | EdibleText | I use mepis to mark my territory |
| 16:23.49 | PerfDave | Scooby: What's on the far side of the external interface? |
| 16:23.51 | valdyn | andax_: ( i never used them, theyre worth a try i guess, thats all |
| 16:24.10 | moon12 | what command how I use to access the cdrom? |
| 16:24.16 | valdyn | ecivo: so? was esd running? |
| 16:24.21 | EdibleText | moon12, mount /cdrom/ |
| 16:24.23 | greycat | moon12: depends on what you stick in it. |
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| 16:24.31 | Scooby | It is pluged into a hub that is in turn pluged into a cisco router. |
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| 16:24.40 | Scooby | ...Then a 6mbps ATM. |
| 16:25.01 | valdyn | ecivo: "killall esd", then your sound might "work" |
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| 16:25.39 | andax_ | valdyn, yes maybe but there is no precompiled stuff on the site. and the sources come without makefile/docs. i have no clue what to do with a bunch of .c and .h files by themselves. |
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| 16:25.54 | moon12 | I have downloaded the kernel 2.6 to the cdrom and I want to moved it to use/src/? |
| 16:26.12 | moon12 | what command do I use? |
| 16:26.12 | valdyn | andax_: theres a whole repository with ~20 packages |
| 16:26.15 | andax_ | i tried overwriting the xserver via drivers with these files but of course the compliation failed |
| 16:26.40 | EdibleText | moon12, mount /cdrom/ |
| 16:26.45 | andax_ | hmm on unichrome.sf.net? i see only sources |
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| 16:26.53 | valdyn | andax_: then look again |
| 16:27.05 | moon12 | and then? |
| 16:27.14 | Scooby | Once I ping the router, everything starts working. |
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| 16:27.53 | andax_ | okay better get another notebook lol :) |
| 16:27.53 | valdyn | andax_: not sure how one can misinterpret the subtopic "Binary Packages" ) |
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| 16:28.21 | EdibleText | moon12, man cp |
| 16:28.28 | element14 | moon12: take a crash course on *nix basics |
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| 16:29.15 | EdibleText | I have only taken a crash course on windows.. |
| 16:29.26 | element14 | lol |
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| 16:30.35 | moon12 | one more thing, how do I go about installing the upgrade cds? |
| 16:30.37 | simonrvn | @rutebook |
| 16:30.37 | ravenbird | if you want a copy of rutebook, wget http://simonraven.nuit.ca/doc/pdf/rute.pdf.bz2, or apt-get install rutebook |
| 16:30.54 | element14 | EdibleText: perl -e "while (true) { fork(); }" ;-p |
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| 16:35.15 | element14 | everybody's dead for my fork bomb ;-p |
| 16:35.37 | simonrvn | i don't see any mass quits |
| 16:36.06 | EdibleText | element14, heh Whats the one in bash with thw colon . |
| 16:36.09 | element14 | uh... fork bombs don't really kill the machine..... usually network still responds |
| 16:36.24 | EdibleText | I had fun with that for about 10 minutes |
| 16:36.26 | resiak | element14: You need to be careful doing that kinda stuff. I made a joke involving a bash forkbomb and got screamed at. At least add a comment saying "DON'T RUN THIS!" |
| 16:36.41 | sml | the bash one is kewl |
| 16:36.46 | resiak | EdibleText: It's this :() { : | : & } : & # DO NOT RUN THIS OR YOU WILL BE UPSET |
| 16:36.48 | simonrvn | element14: not always |
| 16:36.51 | sml | (;#:;:{}) or something |
| 16:36.58 | sml | ^- was made up |
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| 16:37.41 | element14 | simonrvn: at least you'll have to wait for clients to time out..... |
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| 16:37.49 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 16:37.53 | FieldySnuts | eventually, you won't be able to contact it via network either |
| 16:38.11 | FieldySnuts | i can give you a C version but you SHOULD NOT RUN IT. |
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| 16:38.30 | FieldySnuts | slams my load up to 700+. good thing it's a grsec system, stays completely responsive :) |
| 16:38.59 | Ikarus | that is not grsecs doing |
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| 16:39.47 | galaga | hey all is there a bind chat group? |
| 16:39.51 | FieldySnuts | Ikarus: yes, it is. the same kernel without it, the system is quickly unusable and soon after that totally unresponsive in any way |
| 16:39.54 | resiak | galaga: #bind perhaps? |
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| 16:40.14 | FieldySnuts | c version of fork (warning DO NOT RUN) main() {for(;;)fork();} (warning DO NOT RUN) |
| 16:40.27 | resiak | FieldySnuts: What #includes do you need? |
| 16:40.31 | FieldySnuts | none |
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| 16:40.34 | galaga | tried that |
| 16:40.38 | FieldySnuts | that's the whole thing |
| 16:40.39 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Fair enough. |
| 16:40.40 | element14 | resiak: unistd.h i think |
| 16:40.40 | galaga | no body |
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| 16:41.12 | sml | FieldySnuts: someone posted to the debian mailing list saying a bash fork bomb took down his box and that somehow was the fault of debian. |
| 16:41.14 | [1]debwriter | To set a file so that it can only be changed by one root user How to do that? |
| 16:41.17 | element14 | hmm... it compiles without headers... |
| 16:41.20 | FieldySnuts | sml: yeah i've seen that. |
| 16:41.23 | sml | FieldySnuts: trying to find that post coz it was funny |
| 16:41.32 | resiak | [1]debwriter: What do you mean "one root user"? |
| 16:41.32 | PerfDave | [1]debwriter: chown, chmod |
| 16:41.41 | FieldySnuts | sml: mailing lists on other distros went through a similar fiasco when slashdot came out with such a story |
| 16:42.08 | FieldySnuts | so duh: 1) don't let your users execute things where they have write permissions 2) use something like grsec 3) use common sense |
| 16:42.09 | EdibleText | sml, thats an iteresting troll |
| 16:42.12 | [1]debwriter | I mean that now more people with root permissions are changing the same file |
| 16:42.26 | resiak | [1]debwriter: If they have root, they can change anything. |
| 16:42.33 | sml | You can set by user limits for ram and subprocesses anyway so its up to the admin to prevent things like that. |
| 16:42.56 | FieldySnuts | indeed. i was blown away by how many "admins" had never heard of these things |
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| 16:43.10 | FieldySnuts | and take note, pam is NOT the way to do it, you want to do it kernel level. |
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| 16:43.35 | FieldySnuts | ulimits are ok most of the time, again not kernel level though |
| 16:43.37 | element14 | s/ulimits/default ulimits/ |
| 16:43.45 | [1]debwriter | Is it then possible allow one person with root permissions at a time? |
| 16:43.48 | FieldySnuts | yeah that was the big argument: default ulimits |
| 16:43.49 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: huh? |
| 16:44.06 | PerfDave | [1]debwriter: You shouldn't have multiple people with root permissions. |
| 16:44.07 | resiak | [1]debwriter: Not really. You have missed the point of root, I think. |
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| 16:44.13 | BleSS | could i get the detected kernel configuration? |
| 16:44.30 | sml | resiak: lol |
| 16:44.36 | simonrvn | @vagueness |
| 16:44.37 | ravenbird | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 16:45.07 | sml | [1]debwriter: do you mean can you login as root twice at the same time or two differente "accounts" |
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| 16:45.24 | EdibleText | there is no vagueness about @vagueness |
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| 16:45.44 | sml | God I'm tired. |
| 16:45.53 | sml | Last time I go out driking till 3am. |
| 16:46.05 | sml | s/driking/drinking |
| 16:46.07 | [1]debwriter | resiak: I learn more and more |
| 16:46.15 | EdibleText | sml, until the next time at least |
| 16:46.30 | sml | EdibleText: Until at least the weekend :) |
| 16:46.32 | [1]debwriter | sml: I meant two different acount |
| 16:46.43 | sml | [1]debwriter: In that case read what resiak said. |
| 16:46.51 | greycat | !factinfo vagueness |
| 16:46.51 | dpkg | vagueness -- last modified at Sun Mar 20 00:13:06 2005 by pipeline!d8708f0ad1@pcp01052132pcs.muncie01.in.comcast.net; it has been requested 2 times, last by greycat, 3h 26m 17s ago. |
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| 16:47.00 | [1]debwriter | OK I did |
| 16:47.03 | greycat | !punish pipeline for hurting factoids |
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| 16:47.41 | sml | AOL CD's now they're something I've *not* seen in a long while. I wonder where they all are? A bit like Shell Suits , they must live somewhere but *where* |
| 16:47.55 | greycat | dpkg, no, VAGUENESS is <reply> VAGUENESS (KILLS|CAUSES (CANCER|ANAL LEAKAGE|IMPOTENCE|BALDNESS|ACNE|SARS))!|MAKES THE BABY (JESUS|PENGUINS|BADGERS) CRY!) |
| 16:47.55 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 16:47.56 | dambodog_ | hi, when i try to su - user i keep getting back to # insted user@host? what do i need to modify in order to have bash access for the user coming from root? |
| 16:47.59 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 16:47.59 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS!|MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY!) |
| 16:48.03 | dambodog_ | does it make any sense? |
| 16:48.03 | greycat | grrr. |
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| 16:48.05 | LeBear | I'm getting a mail problem I can't figure out. My mail server was offline for about 2-3 weeks while I was moving, and now that I've gotten it back up, mails are starting to trickling in. But on a couple sites, I'm getting an error message... |
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| 16:48.18 | LeBear | 2005-04-14 12:38:26 SMTP data timeout (message abandoned) on connection from livejournal.com [66.150.15.150] |
| 16:48.22 | sml | dambodog_: your shell prompt. |
| 16:48.30 | Smerdyakov | What's the easiest way to add a special, local hostname->IP address mapping that works alongside normal DNS? |
| 16:48.32 | LeBear | Any ideas why I'm getting these? I'm running exim in standalone mode. |
| 16:48.48 | dambodog_ | sml, where do i set it up? my shell promt? |
| 16:48.49 | sml | dambodog_: PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
| 16:48.56 | sml | dambodog_: .bashrc |
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| 16:49.26 | sml | Smerdyakov: hosts file. |
| 16:49.28 | bbrazil | Smerdyakov: /etc/hosts |
| 16:49.33 | simonrvn | Smerdyakov: nothing special about it. /etc/hosts |
| 16:49.39 | FieldySnuts | aw baby badgers |
| 16:49.47 | sml | FieldySnuts: ? |
| 16:49.47 | Smerdyakov | simonrvn, I add something and it has no effect. |
| 16:49.54 | FieldySnuts | from above |
| 16:49.58 | simonrvn | you gotta add it properly |
| 16:50.10 | FieldySnuts | and the aclu, just to be irritating |
| 16:50.17 | Smerdyakov | simonrvn, what is properly? I follow the format given in the man page. |
| 16:50.21 | dambodog_ | sml, the .bashrc of root? |
| 16:50.28 | warchest | i get A9 A9 a9 a9 a9 a9 when i attempt to boot, should i use a rescue disk and reinstall the bootloader/mbr ? |
| 16:50.35 | sml | dambodog_: yes |
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| 16:50.41 | bbrazil | Smerdyakov: grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 16:50.54 | sml | dambodog_: since your "normal" user already has the prompt. |
| 16:51.17 | sml | dambodog_: i personally think its more useful to see the full path when working as root than as a normal user. |
| 16:51.33 | FieldySnuts | warchest: lilo, I assume? if so, that probably means something specific. I would google A9 A9 A9 A9 A9 lilo error codes |
| 16:51.35 | sml | warchest: phone up the AA. |
| 16:51.44 | Smerdyakov | bbrazil, hosts: files dns |
| 16:51.46 | FieldySnuts | warchest: it might help you. |
| 16:51.54 | warchest | FieldySnuts: no hits in english |
| 16:52.00 | FieldySnuts | curious |
| 16:52.05 | FieldySnuts | google lilo error codes then? |
| 16:52.08 | FieldySnuts | there's a list. |
| 16:52.25 | stew | i think /usr/share/doc/lilo might have them |
| 16:52.38 | bbrazil | Smerdyakov: then /etc/hosts should work. what tool are you using to test? and whats the line you added? |
| 16:53.04 | Smerdyakov | bbrazil, line: 63.246.10.45 hcoop.net users.hcoop.net tpu.org |
| 16:53.09 | Smerdyakov | bbrazil, test with: host hcoop.net |
| 16:54.00 | warchest | sk:/usr/share/doc/lilo# grep -l -r -i a9 * and sk:/usr/share/doc/lilo# zcat *.gz|grep -i a9 --- notta |
| 16:54.09 | sinned | anyone know why a debian package would call for a file not provided by any other debian package? |
| 16:54.17 | warchest | oooh zgrep. didnt know about that one. |
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| 16:54.25 | warchest | sinned: non-free software ? |
| 16:54.29 | sinned | no. |
| 16:54.33 | sinned | vpopmail |
| 16:54.41 | warchest | qmail ? |
| 16:54.41 | sinned | asks for tcpserver |
| 16:54.44 | warchest | ahhhhhhhh |
| 16:54.46 | warchest | djb stuff |
| 16:54.51 | sinned | djb? |
| 16:54.53 | bbrazil | Smerdyakov: try checking it with ping |
| 16:55.00 | warchest | yeah |
| 16:55.00 | BleSS | could i get the detected kernel configuration? |
| 16:55.09 | sinned | what is djb? |
| 16:55.13 | stew | !depends vpopmail |
| 16:55.15 | bbrazil | Smerdyakov: host is for dns |
| 16:55.16 | stew | !djb |
| 16:55.16 | dpkg | i guess djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See "wanker". |
| 16:55.16 | Rawplayer | dns |
| 16:55.27 | Smerdyakov | bbrazil, the problem is that my DNS stuff is flaking on and off, so it's hard to tell if it works. |
| 16:55.30 | stew | ... <dpkg> Package 'vpopmail' does not exist. |
| 16:55.31 | sinned | lol |
| 16:55.38 | EdibleText | !wanker |
| 16:55.38 | dpkg | i guess wanker is giving the palm pilot a flight, massaging Kojak's head. Fuck, someone pass me the tissues. |
| 16:55.40 | warchest | deb http://smarden.org/pape/Debian sarge unofficial |
| 16:55.40 | warchest | deb-src http://smarden.org/pape/Debian sarge unofficial |
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| 16:55.43 | sinned | vpopmail-bin |
| 16:55.44 | warchest | add that in your sources.list |
| 16:55.45 | Smerdyakov | bbrazil, (this is a real DNS mapping that I'm trying to hardcode so DNS outages can't interfere) |
| 16:55.48 | Active2 | Rawplayer, wat loop je te zeuren :X |
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| 16:55.49 | warchest | sinned: add those sources |
| 16:55.50 | sml | well i is off. |
| 16:55.54 | sml | later peeps. |
| 16:56.02 | element14 | Smerdyakov: try changing it to 1.2.3.4 or whatever and try with that |
| 16:56.02 | sinned | kthnx |
| 16:56.04 | Rawplayer | je weet het wel :p |
| 16:56.18 | Cal[]John | I'm trying to install from floppy, and I can't get "vanilla" to boot (kernal not found). any ideas? |
| 16:56.19 | Smerdyakov | But I guess my problem was just not realizing that 'host' didn't use the standard lookup method. Thanks. |
| 16:56.20 | stew | !depends vpopmail-bin |
| 16:56.22 | dpkg | vpopmail-bin: depends on libvpopmail1 (= 5.4.4-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libmysqlclient10, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 1.2.0) |
| 16:56.37 | Active2 | for people with dns stuff, take a look at pdns -> but wait until tomorrow i have to update the package in sid |
| 16:57.02 | Rawplayer | \o/ |
| 16:57.04 | coachz | what do i need to do to run xorg please? |
| 16:57.04 | Rawplayer | right :p |
| 16:57.10 | Rawplayer | !xorg |
| 16:57.10 | dpkg | [xorg] xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. Ask yebian for help, he offered. |
| 16:57.13 | coachz | thanks |
| 16:57.14 | bbrazil | Smerdyakov: then force your dns off (e.g .remove the 'dns' bit from resolve.conf) and test |
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| 16:57.57 | Geeen | hallo |
| 16:58.16 | coachz | tell me about 'get xorg' |
| 16:58.33 | Roldyx_ | hdparm /dev/hdc said-->HDIO_GETGEO failed |
| 16:58.36 | Roldyx_ | what is it? |
| 16:58.52 | EdibleText | coachz, ya need the exclamation pernt |
| 16:58.53 | streuner_ | custom kernel? |
| 16:59.01 | EdibleText | coachz, nice jorb! |
| 16:59.02 | stew | coachz: /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 16:59.03 | coachz | tell me about 'get xorg'! |
| 16:59.07 | BleSS | when i use un live-cd i get a kernel configured ok, then could i get that configuration? |
| 16:59.09 | valdyn | Roldyx_: you are trying to use hdparm in a cdrom |
| 16:59.20 | valdyn | Roldyx_: you are trying to use hdparm on a cdrom |
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| 16:59.38 | Roldyx_ | valdyn, yes |
| 16:59.39 | coachz | EdibleText, hehe |
| 16:59.40 | Geeen | ich habe ne frage. ich habe leider noch windows auf meinen rechner. nun bin ich gerade dran am minnimodels für debian am runter laden. nur ich kenne kein gescheites iso breen programm das gratis is und auf windows funktionier önnt ihr mir helfen? |
| 16:59.51 | Rawplayer | !deutsch |
| 16:59.51 | dpkg | [deutsch] #debian.de |
| 16:59.53 | element14 | coachz: the exclamation is supposed to be in the beginning. ;-p |
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| 17:00.07 | element14 | !ls |
| 17:00.08 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 17:00.08 | coachz | !tell me about 'get xorg'! |
| 17:00.09 | Geeen | ok |
| 17:00.11 | Geeen | thx |
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| 17:00.22 | coachz | hmm |
| 17:00.25 | Rawplayer | !dir |
| 17:00.25 | greycat | coachz: /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 17:00.25 | dpkg | wrong OS, foo |
| 17:00.28 | element14 | coachz: for best results just /msg dpkg get xorg |
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| 17:00.40 | streuner_ | Geeen: there is a version of cdrecord for windows |
| 17:00.43 | EdibleText | !del |
| 17:00.43 | dpkg | del is, like, delete, or a key on the keyboard |
| 17:00.44 | Cal[]John | I'm trying to install from floppy, and I can't get "vanilla" to boot (kernal not found). any ideas? |
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| 17:01.15 | Roldyx_ | hdparm /dev/hdc said-->HDIO_GETGEO failed |
| 17:01.17 | greycat | Cal[]John: the floppies only have one kernel. |
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| 17:01.26 | Cal[]John | which kernal is that? |
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| 17:01.28 | Roldyx_ | what do means it? |
| 17:01.30 | greycat | Cal[]John: whichever one they have. |
| 17:01.31 | kevinz | where to find font -jmk-***? |
| 17:01.31 | valdyn | Roldyx_: i told you what it means, why keep asking |
| 17:01.37 | greycat | Cal[]John: depends on where you got the floppies. |
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| 17:02.12 | Bruutje | rare belg |
| 17:02.16 | Roldyx_ | valdyn, where? |
| 17:02.29 | valdyn | Roldyx_: you are trying to use hdparm on a cdrom |
| 17:02.35 | Cal[]John | greycat: i didn't know there were different images |
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| 17:02.47 | Roldyx_ | valdyn, yes and? |
| 17:02.55 | streuner_ | Geeen: http://www.dchlb.de/cdrecord/cdrecord_gui.html |
| 17:03.03 | Roldyx_ | then? |
| 17:03.10 | Cal[]John | greycat: would that mean that this floppy doesn't have vanilla on it? |
| 17:03.19 | valdyn | Roldyx_: HDIO_GETGEO does not work on cdroms, obviously |
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| 17:03.59 | greycat | Cal[]John: where did you get it? |
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| 17:04.37 | Cal[]John | greycat:I used RaWrite XP to take it off Woody CD #1 |
| 17:04.49 | valdyn | Roldyx_: dont worry about it, its not an error, hdparm was made for hds, not for cdroms or anything else |
| 17:04.52 | coachz | any ideas on my XF86Config-4 file ? i get Addscreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0. It's a dell gx110 with intel 82810E chpset and i'm using i810 driver and i set refresh correctly for my monitor |
| 17:05.07 | Roldyx_ | valdyn, ok thanks |
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| 17:05.34 | Active2 | !info pdns |
| 17:05.39 | dpkg | pdns: (meta package for the pdns nameserver), section net, is extra. Version: 2.9.17-9 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
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| 17:05.55 | simonrvn | only real use hdparm has is -tT. and even then |
| 17:06.18 | greycat | Cal[]John: from what DIRECTORY on CD #1? |
| 17:06.29 | valdyn | !info blktool sarge |
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| 17:08.20 | simonrvn | now i've seen everything. french l33t speek |
| 17:08.41 | furrywolf | you think low-intelligence is limited to english-speaking countries? :P |
| 17:08.47 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:08.52 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 17:08.56 | EdibleText | !lart Worm.Mytob.X for unreasonable amounts of network traffic. |
| 17:08.59 | coachz | and my mouse is /dev/input/mice with IMPS/2 |
| 17:09.13 | Cal[]John | greycat: sorry, didn't read that good enough. i got "rescue" and "root" from \dists\woody\main\disks-i386\3.0.23-2002-05-21\images-1.44 |
| 17:09.25 | simonrvn | i thought that was any worm... but anyway ;p |
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| 17:10.57 | greycat | Cal[]John: keep going. |
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| 17:11.18 | Virtual | what program do you recomend for watching movies/videoclips |
| 17:11.18 | Ntp | re |
| 17:11.18 | Virtual | ? |
| 17:11.21 | greycat | Cal[]John: which subdirectory of that? bf2.4? compact? |
| 17:11.28 | greycat | Virtual: xine, ogle, mplayer, ... |
| 17:11.40 | Virtual | I need something that doesn`t use arts.. |
| 17:11.48 | LordFrith | All right. I really am not trying to start a flame war/religious war, but is there any reason I should pick a "standard" debian installer over a knoppix-esque installation for a server? |
| 17:11.57 | greycat | !why debian |
| 17:11.57 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 17:12.09 | Cal[]John | greycat:they're just in that directory |
| 17:12.21 | greycat | Cal[]John: not on *MY* cd they ain't. |
| 17:12.25 | LordFrith | greycat: Do any of those argue for the installation method? |
| 17:12.26 | valdyn | LordFrith: knoppix will _not_ install debian, so it will not be supported here or by debian |
| 17:12.28 | sinned | so warchest i added those deb sources and updated and searched. nothing appears different. I still dont see tcpserver anywhere |
| 17:12.48 | LordFrith | valdyn: Really? What makes it "not-debian"? |
| 17:12.55 | greycat | LordFrith: who cares about the "installation method"? boot the CD, follow the instructions. |
| 17:13.00 | Virtual | i`m trying to mount one cd in one of my cdrom drives and I get the error : "mount: wront fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc" |
| 17:13.03 | silverton | hey ya'll |
| 17:13.05 | Virtual | and I can`t eject it as well |
| 17:13.13 | valdyn | LordFrith: different packages, for which no upgrade path to debian is provided |
| 17:13.18 | LordFrith | greycat: I know. I have a knoppix cd currently, and haven't bothered burning a debian installer. |
| 17:13.26 | greycat | LordFrith: knoppix isn't debian because it doesn't use debian's developers, it doesn't contain debian's software, it doesn't have debian's bug tracking system, it doesn't conform to debian's Policy. |
| 17:13.39 | silverton | Is there some automagical command that I can run to make it so eth1's net access is shared to eth0 ? |
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| 17:13.57 | silverton | er, eth0 to eth1 actually |
| 17:13.59 | Cal[]John | greycat: it says "Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r4 "Woody" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD" at the top of the readme, is that the wrong one? |
| 17:14.20 | greycat | Cal[]John: on 3.0 r0 which is the one I have, there is no file called "rescue" or "root" in that directory. |
| 17:14.42 | valdyn | LordFrith: iirc: dpkg -l | grep knoppix. Now get rid of these cleanly and replace them with debian. ( cleanly ). If you can solve that mess you might have a debian system |
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| 17:15.22 | stew | LordFrith: d-i is so painless now that there is no excuse for using anything different in order to get a debian system |
| 17:15.37 | greycat | Cal[]John: oh wait, I wasn't looking in images-1.44. |
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| 17:15.59 | greycat | it's harder when you're only going by an "ls -lR" file over an ssh connection. |
| 17:16.07 | EdibleText | silverton, /etc/network/options ip_forward=yes; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_IFACE -j SNAT --to $INET_IP |
| 17:16.13 | Cal[]John | greycat:ok. I do the folders for "bf2.4" "idepci" "compact" and "safe" which one should I try next? |
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| 17:16.43 | Rawplayer | Bruutje: dont priv msg plz read the debian faq thanks |
| 17:16.55 | greycat | Cal[]John: nobody knows what kernel is on the "rescue.bin" in "images-1.44". It's not labeled. Just boot it and find out what it is. It might even be vanilla, who knows. |
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| 17:17.14 | greycat | Cal[]John: most people *do not* want vanilla anyway. They want the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel image, so they use bf2.4. |
| 17:17.28 | greycat | requesting a 2.2.x kernel during a debian install is a really unusual thing |
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| 17:18.13 | webuser | Can anyone help me installing macromedia flash player on a Knoppix based HD install ? |
| 17:18.19 | greycat | webuser: #knoppix |
| 17:18.20 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:18.20 | EdibleText | silverton, change $INET_IFACE and $INET_IP to whatever is correct. that is, your external interface |
| 17:18.32 | webuser | thank i'll try #knoppix |
| 17:18.37 | Cal[]John | greycat: oh ok. thanks alot. ill go look bf2.4 up and find out what it does/how is different etc. |
| 17:18.47 | Virtual | anyway to eject the cdrom if it is not unmounted? |
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| 17:19.07 | element14 | Virtual: why would you want to do that? |
| 17:19.13 | silverton | so just run that as a command? |
| 17:19.14 | valdyn | Virtual: if you have supermount installed |
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| 17:19.19 | silverton | EdibleText, |
| 17:19.21 | Virtual | i`m trying to mount one cd in one of my cdrom drives and I get the error : "mount: wront fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc" |
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| 17:19.24 | Virtual | and I can`t eject it as well |
| 17:19.28 | Virtual | that`s why |
| 17:19.42 | valdyn | Virtual: try the command "eject" |
| 17:19.46 | Virtual | I tryed |
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| 17:20.00 | Virtual | error |
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| 17:20.12 | Cal[]John | greycat: actually, why would I want bf2.4 over vanilla |
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| 17:20.15 | helix | hm, if someone replied to a very old email of mine and I want to remove the In-Reply-To: header without having to edit all the headers? (in mutt) |
| 17:20.25 | helix | or can I simply break the thread and that will do it? |
| 17:20.36 | valdyn | Virtual: fuser /dev/hdc |
| 17:20.59 | gnat_x | helix: i think breaking the thread should do it, though i'm not positive |
| 17:21.04 | valdyn | Virtual: and lsof /dev/hdc |
| 17:21.11 | caphuso | yet another filesystem benchmark: http://www.bullopensource.org/ext4/sqlbench/2GB/ |
| 17:21.14 | silverton | EdibleText, you still here? |
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| 17:21.28 | valdyn | ext4 |
| 17:21.30 | valdyn | ? |
| 17:21.40 | coachz | any ideas? can't locate module i810 and insmod says couldn't locate the kernel version it was compiled for on a new 30r4 install |
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| 17:22.07 | EdibleText | silverton, first edit the network/options file... then run the iptables command. also do an 'echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 17:22.08 | Ntp | kvirc : CONFIGURE ERROR: |
| 17:22.08 | Ntp | ### No dlopen capabilities found. |
| 17:22.22 | gnat_x | anyone seen this b4? |
| 17:22.24 | Virtual | if I burn a cd from Linux with K3B will a windows user be able to read it ? |
| 17:22.25 | nykheyn | hi, when i use the apt-cache command i find a bit less than nothing... i've done apt-get updates... but i've seen no changes. i not found openoffice... help :) |
| 17:22.29 | Ntp | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.30 | Ntp | ### able to find it. Make sure that libdl is in /lib or /usr/lib |
| 17:22.33 | coachz | Virtual, yes |
| 17:22.40 | Ntp | can anybody help? |
| 17:22.57 | element14 | nykheyn: apt-cache search openoffice |
| 17:23.03 | silverton | EdibleText, $INET_IFACE would be the one with the net connection ? |
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| 17:23.11 | gnat_x | nykheyn: what is in you /etc apt-sources list? |
| 17:23.24 | cheal | Ntp: which release? |
| 17:23.27 | gnat_x | err /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:23.28 | Ntp | libdl is in the /usr/lib |
| 17:23.33 | Ntp | 3.2.0 |
| 17:23.39 | silverton | and then #INET_IP would be something like 192.168.x.x, ? |
| 17:23.41 | valdyn | i wonder whichever idiot makes these graphs |
| 17:23.50 | EdibleText | silverton, yes. the external gw interface |
| 17:23.58 | cheal | Ntp: ugh, experimental? |
| 17:24.12 | Virtual | anybody can tell me what the problem is with my writer? I keep getting the same error no matter what cd I put in to write : "mount: wront fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc" |
| 17:24.14 | Ntp | yes |
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| 17:24.21 | silverton | EdibleText, thank you sir :) |
| 17:24.28 | EdibleText | silverton, no the ip assigned by ISP |
| 17:24.31 | nykheyn | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing Sarge - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20050226)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 17:24.37 | gnat_x | Virtual: i'm getting the same error |
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| 17:24.52 | Virtual | know how to fix it ? |
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| 17:24.59 | gnat_x | nykheyn: are you trying to install ooffice from cd? |
| 17:25.05 | silverton | ohhhh, okay, I get it |
| 17:25.06 | gnat_x | Virtual: no, that's why i'm here |
| 17:25.15 | Ntp | cheal : have u got any idea? |
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| 17:25.20 | cheal | !u |
| 17:25.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 17:25.28 | cheal | Ntp: did you check the BTS? |
| 17:25.30 | Virtual | great, I just burned a cd about 10 minutes ago ... and now I cannot burn another one ... ummm |
| 17:25.45 | silverton | EdibleText, I get a "permission denied" when I try to run "/etc/network/options ip_forward=yes" |
| 17:25.54 | Ntp | BTS? |
| 17:25.55 | Ntp | :) |
| 17:25.59 | nykheyn | gnat_x: what cd? installation cd? |
| 17:26.02 | cheal | !tell Ntp about bts |
| 17:26.04 | stew | silverton: edit that file, not run it |
| 17:26.08 | bbrazil | Virtual: is this error before or after burning a blank? |
| 17:26.23 | cheal | Ntp: this is something someone that uses experimental would be expected to know |
| 17:26.33 | Ntp | aham |
| 17:26.38 | nykheyn | (debian installation cd1) |
| 17:26.42 | Ntp | and how can i use this? |
| 17:26.44 | Virtual | gnat_x: found the problem, if you want to burn a blank make sure you don`t have finish or continue multisession enabled. |
| 17:26.58 | cheal | Ntp: check the factoid that dpkg told you |
| 17:27.05 | Ntp | ok |
| 17:27.15 | Ntp | thax-a-lot cheal |
| 17:27.16 | gnat_x | nykheyn: that line from sources.list is looking for the install cd, if you have a broadband i would suggest adding an online repository |
| 17:27.16 | Ntp | :) |
| 17:27.25 | EdibleText | silverton, _edit_ /etc/network/options |
| 17:27.38 | silverton | EdibleText, okay, sorry, noob move on my part |
| 17:27.50 | gnat_x | nykheyn: if not make sure the install cd is in the drive when you try to search |
| 17:27.53 | silverton | but, I did all that you said |
| 17:27.58 | EdibleText | silverton, use you favorite text editor. I suggest vim. |
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| 17:28.15 | silverton | EdibleText, that happens to be my favorite :) |
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| 17:28.22 | myren | if i less multiple files how do i manually advance to the next file? |
| 17:28.24 | EdibleText | silverton, :) |
| 17:28.33 | stew | myren: :n |
| 17:28.44 | silverton | so, after I do those three things, it's done? |
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| 17:29.00 | nykheyn | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing Sarge - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20050226)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 17:29.03 | nykheyn | good idea |
| 17:29.05 | nykheyn | but |
| 17:29.14 | nykheyn | i don't know how to. |
| 17:29.24 | nykheyn | pardon |
| 17:29.38 | EdibleText | silverton, editing that will set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to "1" on reboot |
| 17:29.44 | nykheyn | i see how to put the online repository |
| 17:30.08 | EdibleText | silverton, you may want to put the iptables in a startup script also |
| 17:30.23 | EdibleText | silverton, but yes. thats the basics.. |
| 17:30.25 | stew | silverton: no need to reboot, /etc/init.d/networking restart will suffice |
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| 17:30.31 | silverton | EdibleText, I do not know how to make a startup script |
| 17:30.54 | element14 | stew: why the restart? |
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| 17:31.14 | stew | element14: to make his change to /etc/networking/options take effect |
| 17:31.14 | Virtual | what program can I use to equal with Microsoft Excel from windows... maybe even open Excel files? |
| 17:31.14 | gnat_x | nykheyn: you need to add a line like "deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main" without the "" to you sources.list file and run update again |
| 17:31.25 | stew | s/ing// |
| 17:31.47 | silverton | crap, the wireless is tweaking again... |
| 17:31.54 | element14 | stew: oh. he already did the echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward though |
| 17:32.01 | stew | element14: oh i missed that |
| 17:32.09 | stew | gnat_x: when did security become live for testing? |
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| 17:32.37 | gnat_x | stew: not sure |
| 17:32.37 | kementeus | I need some help with a trouble with pam_krb5.so auth in debian |
| 17:32.42 | kementeus | somebody could help me? |
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| 17:32.50 | thingfish | Virtual: OpenOffice.org's suite has something similar to Excel. |
| 17:33.03 | stew | gnat_x: it didn't |
| 17:33.30 | stew | gnat_x: why are you telling him to add a security line for testing? |
| 17:33.35 | gnat_x | stew: then what package list does it download, cause i'm not getting an error |
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| 17:33.41 | Kerr | How can i find out what resilution my screen is at, what hz, etc? I know the info is in proc somewhere, but don't know where. |
| 17:33.45 | stew | gnat_x: an empty package list |
| 17:33.54 | stew | gnat_x: ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 17:34.09 | gnat_x | *nod* |
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| 17:34.47 | silverton | awesome :D |
| 17:34.56 | silverton | EdibleText, stew, thank you both :D |
| 17:35.00 | silverton | It works |
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| 17:35.03 | omnistegan | can someone give me a hand configuring exim4 for just an smtp server? |
| 17:35.20 | EdibleText | !congratulate silverton |
| 17:35.21 | dpkg | Yay silverton, you did it! |
| 17:35.29 | silverton | :D |
| 17:36.10 | EdibleText | silverton, now you have to figure out how to run that iptables command at startup |
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| 17:36.25 | stew | silverton: read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 17:36.33 | silverton | :'| |
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| 17:36.56 | silverton | gah, I was hoping I'd be able to skip the reading part |
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| 17:37.01 | toukitsune | this may not be the place to ask but anyway I have an old mac and I was wondering where I can get an adapter for vga.... don't know what to search for to find them |
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| 17:37.29 | silverton | ..... damn, I thought it was going to be sixteen thousand pages long |
| 17:37.33 | silverton | it's only 21 lines |
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| 17:37.53 | element14 | silverton: it doesn't say much.... |
| 17:38.05 | silverton | tells me to go to a website |
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| 17:39.26 | element14 | silverton: the quick and dirty way is to create a script in /etc/init.d/ that runs the iptables command, and symlink it to /etc/rc2.d, /etc/rc3.d /etc/rc4.d, /etc/rc5.d with the appropiate name |
| 17:39.32 | Rawplayer | does anyone in here know something about linux certification whats accepted worldwide like cisco has with ccna |
| 17:40.10 | silverton | well, that went way over my head element14 |
| 17:40.10 | stew | silverton: look at /etc/init.d/skeleton also |
| 17:40.14 | greycat | Cal[]John: you'd want bf2.4 if you want to run a 2.4.x kernel instead of a 2.2.20 kernel. |
| 17:40.21 | stew | silverton: and man update-rc.d |
| 17:40.42 | FieldySnuts | really all there is is 1) RHCE (redhat specific) 2) Linux+ (general) 3) LPI levels 1 2 and 3 . of the 3 i'd say 3 is the most useful while 1 is the most respected (bleh) |
| 17:41.06 | silverton | *sigh* |
| 17:41.13 | Rawplayer | ok FieldySnuts i was looking at LPI already |
| 17:41.23 | FieldySnuts | shrug i'm none and i'm an admin, A+ and CNA (big use that CNA is. not.) |
| 17:41.40 | FieldySnuts | just peices of paper, they don't really mean all that much... experience is far more important |
| 17:41.48 | Rawplayer | so LPI and Linux+ are well known worldwide |
| 17:41.50 | Rawplayer | i know FieldySnuts |
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| 17:42.04 | FieldySnuts | all 3 i mentioned are really, i'm not fond of RHCE because it's specific to RH |
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| 17:42.12 | Rawplayer | yup |
| 17:42.16 | FieldySnuts | if I were going to go for one I'd go LPI 1 then 2 then 3 |
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| 17:42.30 | FieldySnuts | which i migh tlater, just for the hell of it |
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| 17:42.43 | FieldySnuts | at the very least you learn useful things |
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| 17:42.54 | FieldySnuts | anyway back to work, good luck |
| 17:43.13 | element14 | silverton: you can try putting it in /etc/network/if-up.d ... but i haven't done that myself |
| 17:43.23 | Supaplex | I have a usermode linux instance that's unable to ping the gateway, but the gateway can ping it. even if I set the correct arp entry on the uml machine. What else should I try to restore proper networking? |
| 17:43.28 | silverton | element14, I'm not... |
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| 17:44.17 | sinned | why does vpopmail not work? |
| 17:44.37 | streuner_ | sinned: my crystal-thingie is in low stat |
| 17:44.46 | EdibleText | seems to be working fine here |
| 17:44.48 | greycat | !8ball why does vpopmail not work? |
| 17:44.49 | dpkg | Absolutely. |
| 17:44.58 | greycat | oops, I forgot -- those aren't "why" factoids. |
| 17:45.03 | simonrvn | mine's fried too. had to replace the ether batteries |
| 17:45.04 | greycat | !why does vpopmail suck and not work? |
| 17:45.06 | dpkg | Because the underpants gnome hates vpopmail. |
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| 17:45.17 | stew | sinned: did you read the bts? |
| 17:45.17 | Supaplex | haha |
| 17:45.20 | EdibleText | !8ball Does vpopmail work |
| 17:45.21 | dpkg | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 17:45.22 | sinned | blah it tells me tcpserver no such file or directory, no deb package provides /usr/bin/tcpserver |
| 17:45.27 | helmi | Hi everyone. When trying to install xtc shop I get error message "gdlib not found". What package do I need? I'm running Debian testing. |
| 17:46.03 | stew | sinned: this kind of thing should be expected when you run brand new packages in sid |
| 17:46.15 | sinned | hmm |
| 17:46.21 | sinned | sarge not sid |
| 17:46.35 | PerfDave | These things should be expected when running djbcrackware ;) |
| 17:46.40 | greycat | 12:16 greycat> sinned: it's part of DJB's ucspi-tcp which is non-free. try |
| 17:46.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.42 | stew | sinned: vpopmail-bin isn't in sarge |
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| 17:47.02 | streuner_ | o_O |
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| 17:47.12 | greycat | sinned: tell me. how the fuck can you be running vpopmail and not know who DJB is? |
| 17:47.13 | simonrvn | i was about to say... greycat told you that an hour (now i see more than that) ago |
| 17:47.13 | sinned | sarge = testing? |
| 17:47.20 | streuner_ | yep |
| 17:47.22 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:47.36 | sinned | im running sarge. |
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| 17:47.49 | sinned | apt-get install vpopmail seems to work fine |
| 17:47.57 | greycat | !info vpopmail sarge |
| 17:48.02 | sinned | its must be in sarge |
| 17:48.04 | greycat | 13:48 <-dpkg[~dpkg@dpkg.user] Package 'vpopmail' does not exist. |
| 17:48.14 | streuner_ | !info vpopmail sid |
| 17:48.27 | simonrvn | won't be there either |
| 17:48.28 | streuner_ | dpkg> Package 'vpopmail' does not exist. |
| 17:48.45 | EdibleText | !find vckpw |
| 17:48.54 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'vckpw' returned no results. |
| 17:48.55 | EdibleText | !find vchkpw |
| 17:49.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'vchkpw' (3): (/usr/sbin/vchkpw) in contrib/mail/vpopmail-bin ;; (/usr/sbin/vchkpw2userdb, /usr/lib/courier/vchkpw2userdb) in mail/courier-base ;; (/usr/share/doc/vpopmail-doc/vchkpw.html, /usr/share/doc/vpopmail/man_html/vchkpw.html) in contrib/mail/vpopmail-doc. |
| 17:49.05 | dambodog_ | does anyone know of a solid dedicate machine hosting service? |
| 17:49.09 | stew | 12:55 < stew> ... <dpkg> Package 'vpopmail' does not exist. 12:55 < sinned> vpopmail-bin |
| 17:49.18 | stew | !why is vpopmail-bin not in testing |
| 17:49.19 | dpkg | vpopmail-bin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vpopmail-bin |
| 17:49.35 | stew | .... -> vpopmail has no old version in testing (trying to add, not update) |
| 17:49.36 | Overand | dambodog_: you want a colo provider/dedicated machine priovider? servepath is ok and does debian boxes with up-to-date kernels |
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| 17:50.06 | greycat | EdibleText: that one is "why does ___ suck" or "why do ___ suck" |
| 17:50.20 | EdibleText | heh I see |
| 17:50.51 | Overand | dambodog_: but servepath can be a bit pricy. reliability is *ok,* speed is pretty good |
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| 17:51.32 | sinned | can i force remove vpopmail-bin? because it wont just remove. it errors on remove. |
| 17:51.42 | greycat | !why does sinned suck so badly? |
| 17:51.43 | dpkg | Because RMS's pet gnu hates sinned. |
| 17:52.05 | greycat | sinned: if you expect us to offer any advice, we *must* see the exact error. |
| 17:52.20 | streuner_ | sinned: only 2 lines |
| 17:52.21 | helmi | What package do I need to install to get GDLib ? |
| 17:52.31 | streuner_ | sinned: the first error counts |
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| 17:52.38 | greycat | helmi: apt-cache search --names-only gd |
| 17:52.41 | sinned | Stopping vpopmail pop3 server: start-stop-daemon: stat /usr/bin/tcpserver: No such file or directory |
| 17:52.42 | sinned | invoke-rc.d: initscript vpopmail, action "stop" failed. |
| 17:52.42 | sinned | dpkg: error processing vpopmail-bin (--remove): |
| 17:52.42 | sinned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:52.47 | element14 | lol |
| 17:52.55 | helmi | Thanks geycat |
| 17:52.55 | greycat | he removed the binary by hand? |
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| 17:53.07 | greycat | oh wait, that's nonsensical... |
| 17:53.11 | greycat | !+depends vpopmail-bin sid |
| 17:53.12 | Virtual | how can I close a private query in BitchX ? |
| 17:53.12 | dpkg | vpopmail-bin: depends on libvpopmail1 (= 5.4.4-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libmysqlclient10, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 1.2.0) |
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| 17:53.39 | greycat | sinned: well. quite a pretty little mess there. Try: cp /bin/true /usr/bin/tcpserver |
| 17:53.45 | greycat | sinned: be prepared to remove it by hand later. |
| 17:53.52 | stew | !find usr/bin/tcpserver sid |
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| 17:54.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usr/bin/tcpserver' returned no results. |
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| 17:54.09 | greycat | stew: it won't exist. you have to BUILD the ucspi-tcp package yourself from ucspi-tcp-src |
| 17:54.13 | stew | ahh |
| 17:54.26 | greycat | stew: which requires working deb development tools, which are *really* hard to install if his apt-get is borked. |
| 17:54.41 | element14 | how did the vpopmail package ever get into sid in the first place? |
| 17:54.55 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 17:54.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 17:55.01 | sinned | how can I prevent unstable packages from getting onto my machine |
| 17:55.02 | sinned | ? |
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| 17:55.06 | greycat | sinned: don't run sid. |
| 17:55.16 | stew | sinned: don't add unstable sources to your sources.list |
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| 17:59.24 | RuffianSoldier | i have a Mandrake question |
| 17:59.27 | sinned | dont you have to specify unstable if you want packages from that tree? |
| 17:59.50 | streuner_ | Does we have sunday now? |
| 17:59.55 | cheal | sinned: it's a release, and you have to specify it, or sid |
| 18:00.06 | RuffianSoldier | my question is, why does it suck? HAHAH |
| 18:00.13 | greycat | !why does mandrake suck? |
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| 18:00.14 | dpkg | Because Tux hates mandrake. |
| 18:00.18 | cheal | streuner_: saved |
| 18:00.24 | bug2 | hi all |
| 18:00.44 | cheal | !mandrake |
| 18:00.44 | dpkg | mandrake is an extended version of Redhat that supports Kde. It is very nice and easy to use for new users and power users alike. It also pays many developers to work on Kde. Linux-Mandrake is found at mandrake.com. One of Enlightenment's main developers is also known as mandrake. easily and advisedly upgradeable to Debian ;), or "oh no... the duck distribution", or like a peugeot, but on your desk, or a piece of shit |
| 18:00.53 | cheal | hah |
| 18:01.09 | bug2 | I'm using debian for few time and I want know how to get all services status on debian distro |
| 18:01.23 | takatumi | the new peugeots are pretty nice. |
| 18:01.29 | greycat | bug2: ps auxw |
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| 18:01.45 | cheal | !no, mandrake is the old name of mandriva |
| 18:01.48 | greycat | bug2: lsof -i |
| 18:01.54 | streuner_ | takatumi: well, Volvo have nice cars too |
| 18:01.58 | ledet | takatumi: yeah, theyre nice... and pretty... but they break after a month |
| 18:02.03 | greycat | !mandriva |
| 18:02.14 | cheal | hum, why didn't that work? |
| 18:02.21 | greycat | !test |
| 18:02.21 | dpkg | Yes, greycat, you're still online. |
| 18:02.32 | cheal | !punch dpkg |
| 18:02.34 | EdibleText | what would be a bs=<size> for dd'ing one partition to another (identical hardware) |
| 18:02.41 | greycat | EdibleText: whatever you want. |
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| 18:02.51 | bug2 | there are no command like service (redhat distro) on debian ! |
| 18:02.59 | coachz | I'm trying to install a firefox.deb but it's saying i need a bunch of deps like fontconfig, but when i apt-get fontconfig it says package not available |
| 18:03.13 | greycat | coachz: run sarge. |
| 18:03.13 | EdibleText | greycat, certainly there is an optimum bs? |
| 18:03.20 | silverton | coachz, just apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 18:03.26 | takatumi | bug2: rcconf? or sysv-rc-conf? |
| 18:03.26 | greycat | EdibleText: depends on the hardware. 8k is usually a good guess. |
| 18:03.33 | coachz | greycat, can i update my install to sarge easily |
| 18:03.38 | EdibleText | greycat, cool Ill try |
| 18:03.47 | ledet | coachz: define "easily" |
| 18:03.50 | greycat | coachz: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 18:03.51 | silverton | coachz, apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:04.05 | silverton | easy as that |
| 18:04.05 | greycat | silverton:wrong. |
| 18:04.05 | takatumi | silverton: no. |
| 18:04.06 | silverton | damn! |
| 18:04.09 | silverton | :( |
| 18:04.09 | asuffield | although making the block size anything up to a few Mb is unlikely to ever hurt |
| 18:04.14 | greycat | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 18:04.14 | dpkg | somebody said woody->sarge was Then "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes> |
| 18:04.18 | asuffield | so I tend to set it huge just to avoid thinking about it |
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| 18:04.29 | element14 | why is aptitude needed??? |
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| 18:04.36 | greycat | element14: because. |
| 18:04.44 | greycat | apparently apt-get isn't smart enough |
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| 18:04.45 | takatumi | bug2: please keep it here. |
| 18:05.01 | element14 | greycat: what would break? |
| 18:05.09 | bug2 | okey takatumi |
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| 18:05.39 | bug2 | takatumi, I dont understand what u r mean about "rcconf? or sysv-rc-conf?" |
| 18:05.40 | coachz | apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade returned nothing, so am i already sarge ? |
| 18:05.52 | takatumi | bug2: apt-cache show rcconf |
| 18:05.54 | stew | element14: woody's apt-get incorrectly splits dpkg calls up into several calls becuase of the arg lenght limit and thus breaks on circular dependencies |
| 18:05.58 | greycat | coachz: no. you were lied to. STOP USING THE WORST ANSWER! |
| 18:06.08 | coachz | apt-get install mozilla-firefox says no available candidate |
| 18:06.10 | bug2 | takatumi, okey thx |
| 18:06.17 | element14 | ew.... |
| 18:06.24 | coachz | greycat, kill the liars |
| 18:06.32 | element14 | dpkg -> dselect -> apt-get -> aptitude! argh |
| 18:06.39 | ledet | I'm having trouble with my newly purchased Logitech Cordless mouse. It's an MX 1000. I'm on Debian unstable, using xfree86 4.3.0. mdetect detects it as an ImPS/2 mouse on /dev/psaux - however this doesnt seem to work. The mouse does not move normally on the screen. Moving it from side to side moves the cursor up and down. Moving it up ad down has a strange effect. Any ideas? |
| 18:07.06 | greycat | at least it's not gnome-apt any more. |
| 18:07.23 | cheal | gnome-apt was required?? |
| 18:07.27 | stew | and apt-get is fixed in sarge, so it should have no problem dist-upgrading to etch someday... |
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| 18:07.56 | greycat | cheal: not required |
| 18:08.23 | pingouin | what is the best to have in source list to be «quiet» ? sarge / testing ? |
| 18:08.38 | takatumi | quiet how? |
| 18:08.45 | greycat | if you put "sarge" in, then after sarge releases, you'll continue to track sarge (stable). |
| 18:08.47 | cheal | anyway, the only thing I saw from gnome-apt was something like "sorry, this software is in development" |
| 18:08.55 | greycat | if you put 'testing', then after the release, you'll track etch (testing) |
| 18:08.56 | pingouin | ok |
| 18:09.15 | pingouin | quiet for me ;) is sarge so takatumi :) |
| 18:09.27 | dambodog_ | Overand, dedicated machine hosting. no need for a colo. it is not going to be my machine there |
| 18:10.34 | valdyn | dpkg, mouse 2.6 is see: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199 |
| 18:10.35 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
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| 18:10.47 | Ntp | bye |
| 18:10.49 | Ntp | :) |
| 18:10.57 | nykheyn | how to update apt? in /etc/apt/sources.list i've: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing Sarge - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20050226)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 18:11.11 | takatumi | nykheyn: apt-setup |
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| 18:11.35 | greycat | why the fuck does his "sarge" sources.list say unstable? |
| 18:11.50 | cheal | I think I've seen the same |
| 18:12.06 | cheal | yeah, mine says that too |
| 18:12.18 | cheal | it's a good question |
| 18:12.19 | greycat | I guess it doesn't matter since it's a CD, and it will only ever point to whatever's on the plastic |
| 18:12.33 | ledet | valdyn: thats what i have... still doesnt work though |
| 18:12.41 | nykheyn | ok, thanx |
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| 18:12.56 | greycat | 14:12 Ignoring MSGS from hanumani |
| 18:12.58 | greycat | oops. |
| 18:13.10 | ledet | valdyn: i have temporarely connected my mouseman traveller which works just fine |
| 18:13.24 | Ronin | humm, now why is hold not holding the package, wonder what i did wrong |
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| 18:13.32 | coachz | hey, only 385mb to dl woo hoo |
| 18:14.04 | valdyn | ledet: sorry, i have no idea about your specific problem |
| 18:14.39 | ledet | valdyn: oh, your message wasnt meant for me? i just assumed... sorry :) |
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| 18:14.46 | Ikarus | hrm, amazing, my code survives the gentoo newbie treatment (CFLAGS=OMG WTF LOL WHAT DOES THIS BUTTON DO) |
| 18:14.56 | valdyn | ledet: you just reminded me to add that factoid |
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| 18:15.51 | ledet | valdyn: youre welcome :) |
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| 18:17.36 | Virtual | I use mozilla firefox, can I change the font size on the webpages I`m visiting, it`s enoyingly small |
| 18:18.06 | ledet | Virtual: ctrl-+? |
| 18:18.50 | luulis | hm, how could i prevent loading of pcspkr module other than removing it later? |
| 18:19.18 | ledet | luulis: tell discover to ignore it |
| 18:19.27 | ledet | (if youre using discover that is) |
| 18:20.13 | luulis | im using debian kernel-image package and it autoloads it with initrd, dont know if it uses discover though |
| 18:20.29 | ledet | oh... if its autoloaded, nevermind discover |
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| 18:22.57 | galaga | hey all, i have a networking question. My /etc/network/interfaces files is correct. but when i try to ifdown eth0 or /etc/init.d/networking restart i get the following error. /etc/interfaces:2:missing option |
| 18:23.22 | simonrvn | read the error message |
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| 18:23.32 | srbaker | yo |
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| 18:23.35 | srbaker | anyone here using pdns? |
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| 18:23.38 | simonrvn | line 2, there's an option missing |
| 18:23.44 | srbaker | i need to get the recursor running on a different port, so they will both run at the same time |
| 18:23.48 | EdibleText | galaga, perhaps it not correct. |
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| 18:23.52 | srbaker | or, disable the recursor entirely |
| 18:24.04 | galaga | ok, i'm sure it's right.. it's the simplest configuration |
| 18:24.46 | EdibleText | srbaker, recurser, is that like mouse pointer trails |
| 18:24.52 | DwyaneWade | Any apt-get install command produces the Cannot set locale ERRORs. When i type dpkg-reconfigure locale the same errors appear. What could be done? |
| 18:25.13 | cheal | ah, ouin je vais essayer ça |
| 18:25.20 | cheal | oooops |
| 18:25.22 | takatumi | pdns for mice? |
| 18:25.31 | helix | the error says /etc/interfaces? |
| 18:25.41 | helix | or did you just type it incorrectly? |
| 18:25.43 | simonrvn | yeh, they need the address on screen. they have mice-dns |
| 18:25.46 | galaga | thanks, my god.. my fricken fat fingers |
| 18:25.57 | simonrvn | oh wait, haha |
| 18:25.59 | galaga | i accidentally deleted a comment |
| 18:26.05 | galaga | raaggghh |
| 18:26.11 | leonel | hey gnome 2.10 in experimental any chance to make into sarge before release if sarge is released at all ? |
| 18:26.42 | simonrvn | @topicsmite leonel |
| 18:26.45 | ravenbird | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon leonel. And all the people marvelled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:27.08 | valdyn | leonel: its not completely in experimental and no |
| 18:27.15 | leonel | simonrvn, i've read the topic but also read other news and does not match the topic |
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| 18:27.33 | leonel | valdyn, thanks |
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| 18:27.46 | pluto_ | where to playe Gnocatan??? |
| 18:28.01 | pluto_ | hi |
| 18:28.06 | pillBOX | That's a fun game. |
| 18:28.28 | pluto_ | cannot connect |
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| 18:28.35 | simonrvn | leonel: there's missing a *LOT* of bits |
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| 18:28.50 | pluto_ | here gnocatan.debian.net cannot:) |
| 18:28.55 | Morrowyn | hi all |
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| 18:29.31 | Morrowyn | i did a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and now the kde and gnome wont load, when im in the gdm login menu |
| 18:29.39 | sparr_ | what package provides the GL library for gcc? as in 'gcc -lGL foo.cpp' |
| 18:29.43 | Morrowyn | anyway i can revert the dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:29.48 | chk | hi all.. |
| 18:29.56 | chk | anybody knows where to get the binary "makebootable" from ? |
| 18:30.04 | nickqq | hi.. |
| 18:30.05 | nickqq | can someone plz help me with a wireless problem |
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| 18:30.45 | simonrvn | can you ask your question first? |
| 18:30.55 | valdyn | !tell sparr_ about search |
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| 18:31.28 | sparr_ | valdyn: GL isnt exactly a refined search |
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| 18:31.47 | valdyn | sparr_: libGL.so |
| 18:31.54 | Munzi | huhu |
| 18:31.55 | simonrvn | sparr_: opengl dev is |
| 18:31.57 | sparr_ | aha |
| 18:31.59 | sparr_ | thanks |
| 18:32.03 | sparr_ | thats a tad more specific :) |
| 18:32.27 | DwyaneWade | How can i configure locale as long as dpkg-reconfigure produces the Cannot set locale error? |
| 18:32.32 | simonrvn | knowing what tools to use is only half it, gotta know *how* to use them |
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| 18:32.38 | simonrvn | half of* |
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| 18:33.29 | sparr_ | knowing the filename would have been enough :) |
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| 18:33.40 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: "Cannot set locale" shouldnt keep you from reconfiguring locales |
| 18:33.53 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:33.59 | Omahn | I'm trying to compile a kernel with make-kpkg but i'm getting the following error: /bin/sh: line 0: [: /usr/src/kernel-patches/i386: binary operator expected, anybody know whats causing it? |
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| 18:34.17 | nickqq | im using a based acx100 hardware, i just cant conect, but i have already configured my isp settings... i can ping the gateway but nothing else, the dns are already configured too. |
| 18:34.21 | DwyaneWade | valdyn: this says command not found |
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| 18:34.35 | DwyaneWade | dkpg-reconfigure locale runs but produces that error i told you |
| 18:34.51 | DwyaneWade | when i run "locale" all the fields have the value "en" |
| 18:34.54 | nickqq | im using the driver and firmware both from the acx100 project on the sourceforge. |
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| 18:35.17 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: locale if fale, locales is correct |
| 18:35.21 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: locale if false, locales is correct |
| 18:35.53 | eugenesan | hi all, can i pass kernel parameter to not load specific driver? |
| 18:36.11 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" ( cut and paste is your friend ) |
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| 18:36.32 | DwyaneWade | but "locales" says "Command not found" as i told you |
| 18:36.42 | helix | DwyaneWade: apt-get install locales |
| 18:36.43 | DwyaneWade | i mean |
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| 18:37.01 | greycat | locale is a command. locales is a package. |
| 18:37.01 | DwyaneWade | oki will try this |
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| 18:37.27 | helix | I kind of wish they could share a name, though it's obvious why they don't |
| 18:37.39 | helix | the ssh/scp -P/-p thing is more annoying though |
| 18:37.39 | valdyn | DwyaneWade: the "command" "locales" doesn't exist, thats true and right |
| 18:37.44 | DwyaneWade | no |
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| 18:37.53 | greycat | helix: not to mention ssh -v vs. sshd -d |
| 18:37.56 | takatumi | eugenesan: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 18:38.07 | helix | greycat: heh |
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| 18:38.45 | redduck666 | is there any command that list all packages installed on my system that contain certain set of characters. i would like to list all the packages installed on my system that contain openoffice in name |
| 18:38.52 | takatumi | helix: sshfs maybe. |
| 18:39.06 | greycat | redduck666: dpkg -l '*openoffice*' |
| 18:39.20 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.29 | redduck666 | greycat, thanks going oi try that |
| 18:39.30 | greycat | EdibleText: good! |
| 18:39.33 | EdibleText | heh |
| 18:39.41 | simonrvn | ffs, not this desktop crap again. (nothing personal) |
| 18:39.47 | xTina | I'm attempting to use preseeding with d-i and am currently stuck at partitioning. I read the documentation on partman auto recipes, but can't quite figure out how to go about preserving an existing partitioning scheme (while still formatting the partitions designated for /, /boot and swap). Anyone here have a working example or can point me in the right direction? |
| 18:40.03 | eugenesan | takatumi: i am talking about debian-installer. I can't do it there. |
| 18:40.24 | FieldySnuts | some what, we don't wanna know |
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| 18:40.33 | Morrowyn | morning |
| 18:40.38 | takatumi | eugenesan: which module? |
| 18:40.47 | Morrowyn | is their a way to revert from a dist-upgrade |
| 18:40.59 | FieldySnuts | restore from full backups, maybe |
| 18:41.10 | greycat | oops. ogg123 -d wav -f vs. mpg321 -w. and ogg123 -f vs. oggenc -o while I'm at it. |
| 18:41.18 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 18:43.11 | eugenesan | takatumi:dmfe it's donot workin and prevents me from using tulip wich does work. |
| 18:43.32 | javier__ | can anyone suggest me the right channel to ask about dvd authoring matters? I want to create a DVD with angle option, and I don't know which software supports it |
| 18:43.51 | takatumi | eugenesan: expert26 lets you select modules. (iirc) |
| 18:44.04 | dambodog_ | Overand, any other suggestions? |
| 18:44.41 | eugenesan | takatumi: i am not sure if it's not compiled in, where can chack it? |
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| 18:46.53 | takatumi | eugenesan: which part of the installer are you at now? |
| 18:46.56 | Morrowyn | debian has 64bit support right? |
| 18:46.58 | Becca | Hey -- can anyone tell me the best way to diagnose a problem with x? It seems to like crashing when I let the machine go idle. (It hasn't done it while I'm actually using it yet.) |
| 18:47.11 | takatumi | Becca: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 18:47.24 | Becca | Thanks, takatumi. I'll have a look at that. :) |
| 18:47.27 | omry | hi, I am trying to install Debian (net setup) on a machine that is connected via cables with a network modem, any hints to get the connetionn working? |
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| 18:47.47 | takatumi | what's a network modem? |
| 18:47.56 | simonrvn | good question |
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| 18:48.37 | omry | takatumi, a modem which connects to the pc via the netword adaper (not USB) |
| 18:48.48 | simonrvn | @tell DwyaneWade -about root |
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| 18:49.44 | simonrvn | Morrowyn: don't ping me |
| 18:49.47 | chk | aehm.... |
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| 18:49.59 | chk | anybody believes me i have an usb-stick with 2 TB space on it ?? :)9 |
| 18:50.11 | chk | /dev/sda1 1.9T 33M 1.8T 1% /mnt/usb |
| 18:50.28 | Morrowyn | sorry, needed to know if i was lagging bigtime |
| 18:50.48 | Morrowyn | inet is flaky here |
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| 18:50.54 | Morrowyn | brb |
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| 18:51.21 | valdyn | chk: /dev/sdd1 1.9P 33T 1.8P 1% /mnt/usb |
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| 18:51.46 | eugenesan | takatumi: i am not in it now, and i am talking about sparc rc3, it's Davicom net drivers are DEAD and i (as always tried to load tulip) but in rc3 it loads Davicom drivers by default and there is no rmmod :-( |
| 18:51.46 | chk | valdyn: i didnt fake that line.. i just cant explain it .. |
| 18:52.00 | simonrvn | could've pinged the server, or one of the bots... meh not that grave |
| 18:52.04 | chk | valdyn: i did mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 |
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| 18:53.04 | chk | weird ... |
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| 18:53.39 | valdyn | chk: broken partition table? try fdisk |
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| 18:54.40 | chk | valdyn: cfdisk moans about _no_ partition table being present.. (yet if i start with a zero table, it lets me again create a primary partition with 2tb space.. :/ ) |
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| 18:55.31 | valdyn | chk: so mkfs.ext3 just doesnt know what its doing.. |
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| 18:55.54 | distempr | I need a little help with kernel-package, problem is that it's now returning with an error -- I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] -- kernel-package has compiled like 20 kernels on this machine for me so far, it seems to be having this issue. Asking me to define an arch, but where do I do that? And why now? |
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| 18:56.01 | ahammond | chk, you know that 2TB is the old 32bit size limit right? |
| 18:56.02 | chk | valdyn: any idea how to setup a correct partition-table ? |
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| 18:56.19 | takatumi | eugenesan: try starting the installer with expert26 |
| 18:56.24 | chk | ahammond: somewhere in the dark corners that info rested in peace.. now it came out again ;) |
| 18:56.55 | ahammond | chk, so... what do you suppose is happening in the mkfs code, in the absence of a partition table? |
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| 18:58.04 | chk | ahammond: 1. write fs till u find partition end ? 2. abortion due to address limit reached (probably segfault ?) |
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| 18:58.12 | ahammond | bingo |
| 18:58.30 | chk | yea .. still that doesnt help me _correct_ the prob ;) |
| 18:58.38 | ahammond | so... you'd need to create a partition table, right? |
| 18:58.42 | chk | jup.. |
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| 18:58.50 | chk | but how can i specify the correct size ? |
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| 18:59.06 | chk | as said before, cfdisk says i have 2TB space for the primary part.. |
| 18:59.08 | DwyaneWade | as i said dpkg-reconfigure locales produces the next output: perl:warning:Setting locale failed. ... |
| 18:59.12 | chk | hmm.. |
| 18:59.16 | eugenesan | takatumi: thanks for advice. will try right away. |
| 18:59.16 | DwyaneWade | then: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 18:59.28 | greycat | apt-get --reinstall install locales |
| 18:59.29 | ahammond | yeah, but that's cause it's seeing a bunch of zeros instead of an actual partition table. |
| 18:59.44 | ahammond | so, you need to _create_ a partition table. |
| 18:59.50 | ahammond | not modify |
| 19:00.14 | chk | ahammond: i did.. it proposes 2TB space for the new partition to create.. |
| 19:00.34 | ahammond | hmmm... sounds like your partition table does not reflect reality. :) |
| 19:00.34 | chk | ahammond: if i specify the 128MB that should be really present, i still have 1,9TB space left.. |
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| 19:00.56 | valdyn | chk: try fdisk /dev/sda, select "o" |
| 19:01.25 | ahammond | I seem to recall that you have to do something dumb with auto-detection of disk parameters on usb devices |
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| 19:02.11 | DwyaneWade | greycat: it gives same errors, like locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 19:02.38 | chk | ahammond: i never had probs with autorecognized sticks before.. dunno, where one could make these "dumb" faults.. |
| 19:03.30 | helix | DwyaneWade: what does dpkg -l locales say? |
| 19:03.32 | ahammond | I messed with it about 2 years ago, well before USB code was well baked... can't recall details. I think I had to provide a param to the module on load. |
| 19:03.39 | helix | DwyaneWade: 'ii' on the left or something else? |
| 19:04.00 | chk | valdyn: after doing "o" / "w" with fdisk correct part-size is being displayed.. |
| 19:04.01 | ahammond | since then I've been satisfied with the pre-formatted FAT on the things. |
| 19:04.06 | chk | thanks ahammond and valdyn |
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| 19:04.39 | DwyaneWade | helix: i see no ii |
| 19:04.48 | furrywolf | usb seems to work pretty well now. |
| 19:04.48 | N-MAN | hi :) |
| 19:04.50 | helix | DwyaneWade: do you see an 'un'? |
| 19:04.51 | DwyaneWade | should i paste on some channel or private? |
| 19:04.58 | furrywolf | not including the hubs, I have 14 usb devices connected. :) |
| 19:04.58 | greycat | DwyaneWade: dpkg -l locales | tail -1 |
| 19:05.05 | greycat | just paste the last line |
| 19:05.42 | DwyaneWade | iF locales 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: National Language (locale) da |
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| 19:05.54 | greycat | F for Failed. |
| 19:06.12 | greycat | Failed-config to be more precise |
| 19:06.38 | PerfDave | Ooh, never seen that F before. |
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| 19:07.22 | DwyaneWade | my Debian install seems to be damaged, or what? |
| 19:08.02 | cheal | DwyaneWade: just curious, when did you install it? |
| 19:08.14 | DwyaneWade | like one month ago |
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| 19:08.32 | dambodog_ | hi, does anyone know how to extract @doamin.com address from a long list of emails and insert them to a seprate list? (i am not spaming) using awk maybe? |
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| 19:08.52 | PerfDave | dambodog_: sed? cut? perl? |
| 19:09.00 | PerfDave | !vagueness |
| 19:09.00 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 19:09.07 | distempr | I need a little help with kernel-package, problem is that it's now returning with an error -- I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] -- kernel-package has compiled like 20 kernels on this machine for me so far, it seems to be having this issue. Asking me to define an arch, but where do I do that? And why now? |
| 19:09.07 | greycat | dambodog_: grep |
| 19:09.08 | Glitch_Master | Hrm... |
| 19:09.42 | greycat | !errors |
| 19:09.42 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
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| 19:10.21 | distempr | typing: make-kpkg --revision=blah.1.0.1 kernel_image |
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| 19:10.40 | distempr | error:/usr/share/kernel-package/rules:1623: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. |
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| 19:10.44 | Glitch_Master | What is an estimated FPS for hardware video acceleration, or rather, what's a good way to test whether or not said acceleration is present? I know this is more Debian-specific, but it's a Debian-related issue. |
| 19:10.48 | boyracerr | more dumbass errors from me |
| 19:10.50 | cheal | DwyaneWade: does it say it falls back to C? |
| 19:11.04 | streuner_ | distempr: sid? |
| 19:11.06 | boyracerr | in my root directory |
| 19:11.12 | distempr | streuner: indeed. |
| 19:11.14 | boyracerr | i did mv * /tmp |
| 19:11.18 | boyracerr | well not quite |
| 19:11.21 | boyracerr | but same effect |
| 19:11.24 | streuner_ | distempr: check out BTS |
| 19:11.34 | boyracerr | so now bin, for example, is in /tmp |
| 19:11.34 | distempr | streuner: arrrrgh ;) |
| 19:11.36 | greycat | distempr: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 19:11.37 | boyracerr | how can i recover? |
| 19:11.40 | streuner_ | distempr: kernel-package |
| 19:11.40 | DwyaneWade | cheal: Yes! |
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| 19:12.05 | PerfDave | boyracerr: mv them back? |
| 19:12.11 | distempr | greycat: Linux calypso 2.6.9 #1 SMP Wed Feb 23 15:14:46 PST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:12.17 | simonrvn | boyracerr: specify full path to the mv binary, and mv them back |
| 19:12.20 | greycat | distempr: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 19:12.26 | greycat | go ask them. we can't help :) |
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| 19:12.45 | boyracerr | thanks simon |
| 19:12.58 | zulkifar | Hi, I asked this question on #netfilter and #kernel but yet got asnwer so let me try here. Sorry if this is offtopic. |
| 19:12.59 | streuner_ | so there isn't a bugreport in BTS for amd64? |
| 19:13.00 | OleMoudi | any program to record directly mp3 from a streaming radio? |
| 19:13.00 | boyracerr | perfdave - mv was one of the commands moved.... |
| 19:13.05 | zulkifar | I have problems with 'tc' - it raises exception in the kernel and halts the system :( I don't know exactly when crash occures (and can't reproduce it) but looks like when I run 'tc qdisc del' (I'm using 'wshaper'). Is it a kernel bug? |
| 19:13.07 | OleMoudi | while listening to it |
| 19:13.10 | zulkifar | Its 2.6.8.1 kernel. Now I'm going to compile new kernel (last stable) but what if this happen again? I can't even report a bug since I can't copy/paste dead screen :( Is there a facility which allow to collect such screens? |
| 19:13.26 | streuner_ | OleMoudi: xmms |
| 19:13.30 | distempr | greycat: i fail to see what dpkg told me as being relevant? I cannot talk about amd64 in here? |
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| 19:13.38 | boyracerr | so cd /tmp/bin/ |
| 19:13.42 | OleMoudi | streuner, how exactly? |
| 19:13.43 | Glitch_Master | Perhaps I should repeat myself. :\ |
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| 19:13.47 | streuner_ | distempr: #debian-amd64 |
| 19:13.48 | boyracerr | mv /tmp/* / |
| 19:13.51 | mops | I issued: apt-get install gcj |
| 19:13.58 | webuser | I'm trying to open mms://espalhabrasas.sapo.pt/streamer2 with xine but i get a unsupported codec. Any help ??? Please ???? |
| 19:13.59 | streuner_ | distempr: just read the factoid :-) |
| 19:14.02 | boyracerr | i just don't want to make more mess... |
| 19:14.05 | cahoot | OleMoudi: arecord |
| 19:14.06 | mops | it installed succesfully the java compiler, but when I type in |
| 19:14.08 | mops | gcj |
| 19:14.14 | distempr | streuner_: I'm there, been there for weeks ;) |
| 19:14.21 | cheal | DwyaneWade: can you pm me the error msgs? |
| 19:14.29 | greycat | distempr: you can talk about it, but we can't help you with it. |
| 19:14.30 | mops | it ends up with gcj: ligcj.spec: No such file or dir? |
| 19:14.37 | mops | where is problem please? |
| 19:14.38 | greycat | distempr: that's why there are more than one channel on the network. |
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| 19:14.52 | simonrvn | boyracerr: full path, as in "/tmp/bin/mv" (foo bar baz) |
| 19:14.53 | pem3v78 | hi |
| 19:15.09 | distempr | greycat: gotcha, figured kernel-package was fairly arch independent ;) |
| 19:15.09 | mops | hi |
| 19:15.22 | boyracerr | thanks |
| 19:15.32 | pem3v78 | What should I put inside /etc/apt/sources for testing distro ? |
| 19:15.37 | boyracerr | i resolve to be more careful in future, good night |
| 19:15.43 | RichiH | !tell pem3v78 about testing |
| 19:16.00 | RichiH | bleh |
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| 19:16.13 | DwyaneWade | could this locales problem cause the bad installation of fglrx? |
| 19:16.15 | stew | pem3v78: what version of debian are you running now? |
| 19:16.19 | RichiH | pem3v78: replace all occurences of stable and woody with testing |
| 19:16.32 | ledet | valdyn: nevermind... your link _did_ help... i read it all the way to the bottom, where some guy say something about some trouble with his keyboard or whatever. He posted a follow-up to to his original post, saying that his problem had turned out to be usbkbd and usbmouse being obsolete... unloading those modules fixed everything... so thanks! |
| 19:16.34 | simonrvn | boyracerr: good policy |
| 19:16.52 | dambodog_ | greycat, how do i push all that output from grep into a file? |
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| 19:16.58 | greycat | dambodog_: > |
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| 19:17.51 | simonrvn | and that isn't a smiley face |
| 19:17.59 | stew | heh |
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| 19:18.17 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 19:18.27 | omry | anyone here installed linux on iPAQ? |
| 19:18.31 | viki | Is there anybody, who have connected a pocket pc to a linux host? |
| 19:18.42 | guru3 | when i try to start my xseerver, it tells me module vesa not found... any ideas? |
| 19:18.45 | pem3v78 | ok, thx |
| 19:18.45 | guru3 | (im on a mac) |
| 19:18.55 | simonrvn | guru3: wrong driver |
| 19:19.12 | simonrvn | you want fbdev or your video device's driver |
| 19:19.24 | guru3 | when i use fbdev is says color mode not found tho :/ |
| 19:19.39 | guru3 | or mode not supported by my device rather |
| 19:19.54 | simonrvn | using the wrong bpp then. try 15 or 24 (or 32) |
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| 19:20.04 | arjanoosting | On system startup cupsys exits with an error: Cupsd: Child exited with status 98! |
| 19:20.06 | guru3 | i was using 15 |
| 19:20.21 | simonrvn | trying to run dri? |
| 19:20.26 | guru3 | just X |
| 19:20.27 | PerfDave | guru3: You're running Debian on a Mac? #debian-ppc may be the best effort. |
| 19:20.35 | simonrvn | #debianppc |
| 19:20.44 | guru3 | ok |
| 19:20.51 | guru3 | but while im here... ;) |
| 19:20.52 | arjanoosting | and the error log containts: Unable to bind socket for address 00000000:631 - Address already in use. |
| 19:21.05 | arjanoosting | Does someone know what is going wrong? |
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| 19:22.02 | DwyaneWade | is there any idea? this locales thing shouldn't prevent me programmin and compiling under GCC should it? |
| 19:22.41 | greycat | I'd fix it regardless of what else happens to work. |
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| 19:23.11 | simonrvn | arjanoosting: something is already listening on that port |
| 19:23.38 | cheal | DwyaneWade: can you pm me the error msgs? |
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| 19:24.01 | shray | damn I think my ubuntu install just crapped out on me.. |
| 19:24.05 | shray | debian sucks |
| 19:24.24 | arjanoosting | simonrvn: yeah, i guessed so but if i login and start cupsys by hand (/etc/init.d/cupsys start), it does work |
| 19:24.35 | davem | troll |
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| 19:24.42 | PerfDave | shray: Ubuntu is not Debian. If you're having trouble with Ubuntu, see #ubuntu. |
| 19:24.54 | simonrvn | shray: bugger off. plskthxbye |
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| 19:24.59 | arjanoosting | so which program is listening on that port on startup? |
| 19:25.14 | simonrvn | how should i know? it's your machine |
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| 19:25.28 | arjanoosting | :) |
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| 19:26.04 | arjanoosting | someway to find that out? |
| 19:26.06 | dambodog_ | greycat, how do i remove all those things i grep'd from the list ? |
| 19:27.06 | cockroach | (how) can i change firefox' hotkeys without recompiling it? |
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| 19:27.48 | simonrvn | arjanoosting: sudo netstat -pluant |
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| 19:28.57 | arjanoosting | simonrvn: i only see cupsys on port 631 |
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| 19:29.11 | simonrvn | do that after boot. see what's happening |
| 19:29.12 | dambodog_ | greycat, what i mean is how do i remove those things i grep from the original list, how do i also remove them from the orginal list? |
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| 19:29.26 | greycat | dambodog_: grep foo oldfile > newfile && mv newfile oldfile |
| 19:29.27 | arjanoosting | i will try that, brb |
| 19:29.52 | greycat | good god. mikeeusa is in #bash now. |
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| 19:33.05 | simonrvn | i wonder why that fucker hasn't been k-lined yet |
| 19:33.18 | RichiH | who? |
| 19:33.25 | RichiH | oh, mike? |
| 19:33.31 | simonrvn | mikeeusa |
| 19:33.33 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 19:40.05 | PuGz | hey guys... this may seem like a silly question, but how does one configure the network in debian? i can manually do ifconfig, iwconfig and route every boot, but uuurgh! can i automate this? i am using a wireless network using ndiswrapper |
| 19:40.42 | FieldySnuts | @lart ndiswrapper |
| 19:40.48 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 19:41.03 | PuGz | eh? sorry? @lart? |
| 19:41.11 | fooz | PuGz, man 5 interfaces |
| 19:41.14 | streuner_ | PuGz: there are stupid answers ;-) |
| 19:41.30 | PuGz | sorry? |
| 19:41.51 | streuner_ | PuGz: somebody said, there are only stupid answers not stupid questions |
| 19:41.52 | travisat | ndiswrapper is sorry all right |
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| 19:42.08 | PuGz | ok.... i get the interface bit... is there a config tool for this? i imagined there would be... i couldnt configure during install (no ndiswrapper).. but that would have set it up.... |
| 19:42.16 | PuGz | streuner, cheers |
| 19:42.24 | roo9 | is there a way to make CPAN packages into debs ? |
| 19:42.36 | streuner_ | roo9: dh-make-perl |
| 19:42.39 | travisat | PuGz: easiest way is to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:42.49 | PuGz | oi... i dont want to use ndiswrapper... the drivers for my card dont work yet! its an acx111 chipset... and WEP isnt yet supported... |
| 19:42.54 | streuner_ | roo9: sid? |
| 19:42.55 | arjanoosting | hmm right after reboot i only netstat gives me: tcp 0 0 192.168.1.2:631 192.168.1.1:111 TIME_WAIT |
| 19:43.01 | kombi | why do I only see 1 gig in /proc/meminfo even though there are 2 gig installed? |
| 19:43.07 | fooz | PuGz, i told you.. type man 5 interfaces |
| 19:43.10 | PerfDave | PuGz: Buy hardware that Linux supports ;) |
| 19:43.12 | fooz | PuGz, it tells you how to configure things |
| 19:43.12 | PuGz | cool |
| 19:43.23 | PerfDave | kombi: Your kernel only has support for 1Gb RAM? What kernel are you using? |
| 19:43.36 | kombi | PerfDave 2.6.10 |
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| 19:43.45 | PuGz | PerfDave, yeah... ok... i just spent $160 on 2 pci cards... which now cannot be returned... i will go now pay $200 for 2 supported ones? hmmm.... no |
| 19:43.52 | furrywolf | the memory limit is a kernel compile-time option. recompile with proper option. |
| 19:43.54 | PerfDave | kombi: Hand-compiled? |
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| 19:44.01 | kombi | yip |
| 19:44.16 | PerfDave | kombi: Then you compiled it incorrectly ;) |
| 19:44.23 | travisat | PuGz: your fault for not checking on how well they were supported |
| 19:44.24 | PerfDave | PuGz: Well, it's your own damn fault for not checking in the first place ;) |
| 19:44.28 | coachz | I can get dhcp to work fine on my box but setting static says network unreachable. Any ideas? I setup all the usual suspects, address, netmask, broadcast, gateway. |
| 19:44.29 | fooz | that option you're thinking of configures the per-process image size |
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| 19:44.34 | kombi | PerfDave: I though the high mem thing only goes for 32 Bit CPU? |
| 19:44.35 | fooz | not a memory limit |
| 19:44.36 | stew | kombi: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) you need to have the 4G option enabled |
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| 19:44.55 | PerfDave | Now this is why I use kernel-image packages ;) |
| 19:44.56 | PuGz | travisat, PerfDave, my dad bought them!.... he doesnt know what linux is |
| 19:45.00 | furrywolf | fooz: the option I'm thinking of is a memory limit. |
| 19:45.03 | kombi | ok, thanks! |
| 19:45.08 | PerfDave | PuGz: Ah well, sucks to be you :) |
| 19:45.13 | kombi | I'm a stubborn self roller.. |
| 19:45.17 | ahammond | kombi, 32bit cpus or when you're running 32bit code... |
| 19:45.21 | PuGz | meh... ndiswrapper works fine |
| 19:45.22 | PerfDave | kombi: And this is what you get for it ;) |
| 19:45.22 | travisat | PuGz: smack him around with a dead tuna |
| 19:45.25 | furrywolf | I had to set it to 4gb to get it to see my 2gb of ram. :) |
| 19:45.28 | fooz | kombi, add a mem=2G to your kernel command line |
| 19:45.32 | PuGz | i know thats a bad signal to companies |
| 19:45.34 | arjanoosting | still not sure why cupsys exits at system boot... but it should only bind to 127.0.0.1 right?? |
| 19:45.36 | PuGz | but not sooooo bad for me |
| 19:45.38 | kombi | ahamond: thats it! |
| 19:45.40 | PerfDave | PuGz: Yeah, loading Windows code into your Linux kernel is a great idea... |
| 19:45.42 | spencerk | how do i close a program when it freezes? in windows i would 'end task' from task manager |
| 19:45.51 | PerfDave | spencerk: kill |
| 19:45.52 | coachz | when i run /etc/init.d/networking restart i get network is unreachable |
| 19:45.59 | PuGz | spencerk, or xkill |
| 19:46.10 | spencerk | ok thanks |
| 19:46.16 | PerfDave | spencerk: You can use the KDE process manager (press Ctrl + Esc) if you're using KDE |
| 19:46.16 | streuner_ | coachz: is the module for you NIC loaded? |
| 19:46.18 | kombi | fooz: good idea, since I'm still in the mode for compiling I might roll another one though |
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| 19:46.30 | kombi | mighty fast on this box.. |
| 19:46.34 | kristiank | J #tarabel |
| 19:46.38 | coachz | streuner, yes and dhcp works |
| 19:46.55 | streuner_ | coachz: How do you know? |
| 19:46.59 | spencerk | it is xine that froze, what do i type exactly? |
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| 19:47.08 | coachz | cuz i surf the net in KDE first off |
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| 19:47.12 | coachz | with dhcp configured |
| 19:47.18 | coachz | and ifconfig shows my ip |
| 19:47.47 | zahod | the release of sarge, is there any chance it'll be before the 29th? |
| 19:47.58 | chk | no |
| 19:48.02 | zahod | bummer |
| 19:48.09 | spencerk | ok got it, thanks you guys |
| 19:48.17 | MarcN | Any audio hackers here? I *know* there is a hack that lets you run an audio app, like realplayer, that fakes out the audio out and redirects to a .wav. I've *done* it on my debian/sarge laptop, but for the life of me can't remember what the command is. |
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| 19:48.38 | cheal | spencerk: Ctrl+Alt+Esc |
| 19:48.41 | PerfDave | I thought it was two weeks from when the ARM buildd had caught up? That could concievably be before the 29th :) |
| 19:48.46 | cahoot | MarcN: alsa user? |
| 19:49.02 | coachz | streuner, any ideas ? |
| 19:49.13 | stew | PerfDave: but security isnt' online yet |
| 19:49.37 | MarcN | cahoot: yeah, but not wedded to it |
| 19:49.40 | streuner_ | coachz: well, you said everything is perfect and running, so why i should have ideas then? ;-) |
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| 19:49.50 | cahoot | MarcN: arecord -f dat -d 3600 -D hw:0,0 some.wav |
| 19:49.55 | coachz | dhcp works, STATIC does not |
| 19:50.01 | coachz | i'm trying to get static working |
| 19:50.24 | stew | coachz: sounds like you are maybe trying to configure a gateway that is not on your subnet? |
| 19:50.26 | PerfDave | stew: It doesn't seem to be far off. |
| 19:50.32 | coachz | ahhh |
| 19:50.37 | coachz | thanks, i'll check it |
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| 19:50.52 | stew | PerfDave: lets hope |
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| 19:50.53 | coachz | how to tell what gateway my dhcp uses please |
| 19:51.03 | stew | coachz: route -n |
| 19:51.08 | coachz | k |
| 19:51.13 | MarcN | cahoot: I'll give it a try, but it was something along the lines of: fakeaudio realplayer http://.../soemthing.ra and the .wav was in pwd |
| 19:51.13 | PerfDave | coachz: Get a DHCP lease, type "route" :) |
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| 19:51.44 | sgeigerbot | coachz: another way: sudo ettercap -Np triton |
| 19:51.45 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 19:52.04 | streuner_ | sgeigerbot: LTNS :-) |
| 19:52.18 | sgeigerbot | leetness? |
| 19:52.22 | sgeigerbot | !+LTNS |
| 19:52.22 | dpkg | i guess ltns is long time no see |
| 19:52.33 | sgeigerbot | streuner_: ah... Thanks. How are you? |
| 19:52.44 | MarcN | cahoot: hmm, what package is it in? The only acrecord locate finds is in a other distro partition. |
| 19:52.50 | streuner_ | sgeigerbot: thanks, fine, how are things? |
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| 19:53.00 | cahoot | MarcN: arecord |
| 19:53.00 | sgeigerbot | streuner_: Es geht gut. |
| 19:53.11 | cahoot | MarcN: in alsa-utils or such |
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| 19:53.27 | Saudi_linuxd | hello |
| 19:53.36 | coachz | yay, thanks gentlemen ! |
| 19:53.41 | malex | Anyone here dabbing in qemu? I created a disk image with "qemu-img create 9500M", but when trying to run with it I get a "could not open hard disk image" message. |
| 19:53.53 | malex | even when run as root. |
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| 19:54.12 | TTT_Travis | does debian run good on old hardware? |
| 19:54.20 | sgeigerbot | malex: this is what I would use: qemu -m 20 -nics 1 linux-test/linux.img |
| 19:54.20 | PerfDave | TTT_Travis: Define "old hardware" |
| 19:54.27 | TTT_Travis | P1 133Mhz |
| 19:54.30 | PerfDave | TTT_Travis: Define "run good". And while you're at it, "Debian" :) |
| 19:54.40 | Phated | Hah. |
| 19:54.40 | SuperSox | old? thats practically brand new! |
| 19:54.47 | MarcN | cahoot: hmm, how do you determine which audio subsystem is used. gnome's volume control shows 3 mixers on this laptop. intel 828... [alsa mixer], analog devices AD... [oss mixer] and silicon lab Si303... [oss mixer]. |
| 19:54.47 | PerfDave | TTT_Travis: I run Debian on a P133 with 24Mb RAM, it makes a great server. |
| 19:54.50 | TTT_Travis | cuz I have a old POS P133Mhz and I have no clue what todo with it |
| 19:54.50 | sgeigerbot | malex: http://www.dad-answers.com/qemu/, howtos and other information not available on the QEMU web site. mini-HOWTO: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/tetrinet.html. |
| 19:54.54 | TTT_Travis | PerfDave ok |
| 19:54.58 | Saudi_linuxd | is there any guide that tell me how to make my own destribution depending on Debian GNU/LINUX |
| 19:55.04 | agroker | Greetings, where(how) to configure a DNS server? I'm using resolvconf |
| 19:55.11 | PerfDave | Saudi_linuxd: Why would you want to? |
| 19:55.12 | greycat | agroker: man resolv.conf |
| 19:55.13 | sgeigerbot | TTT_Travis: yes, debian will work fine on old hardware. |
| 19:55.23 | streuner_ | Saudi_linuxd: haha |
| 19:55.27 | furrywolf | firefox requires a dual 3.8ghz box to run at a decent speed... but other than firefox, debian should work great on older hardware. |
| 19:55.31 | malex | sgeigerbot: those links return 404 |
| 19:55.38 | sgeigerbot | TTT_Travis: damn small linux might work bette |
| 19:55.39 | cahoot | MarcN: if you have entries in /proc/asound chances are you use alsa |
| 19:55.43 | sgeigerbot | malex: ah, damn... |
| 19:55.45 | malex | sgeigerbot: qemu runs fine with the test linux image. |
| 19:55.48 | TTT_Travis | I am not really comfortable with the debian install so whats a good way of getting debian on it or whats a good debian based distro that easy to install? |
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| 19:55.57 | greycat | TTT_Travis: install debian. |
| 19:56.02 | sgeigerbot | malex: well, google for "qemu howto |
| 19:56.02 | malex | sgeigerbot: my mistake |
| 19:56.07 | sgeigerbot | malex: oh. |
| 19:56.08 | Saudi_linuxd | well ineed it to localizing it to my spoken language |
| 19:56.08 | TTT_Travis | well I heard debian is hard to install |
| 19:56.09 | greycat | TTT_Travis: it'll take you 20 minutes and then it's FUCKING OVER. |
| 19:56.13 | greycat | TTT_Travis: try it yourself. |
| 19:56.16 | malex | sgeigerbot: The links work. |
| 19:56.17 | greycat | !d-i TTT_Travis |
| 19:56.18 | dpkg | TTT_Travis, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:56.21 | MarcN | cahoot: thanks. apparently it is alsa. I really don't care which one as long as xmms works. ;-) |
| 19:56.22 | PerfDave | TTT_Travis: Have you tried installing Debian? It's a piece of piss. |
| 19:56.25 | sgeigerbot | greycat: :-) |
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| 19:56.40 | TTT_Travis | PerfDave do you mean that like its easy or hard? |
| 19:56.46 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: have you ever held one of those in your hand? It's not easy. |
| 19:56.58 | streuner_ | haha |
| 19:56.58 | TTT_Travis | ok how many ISOS are there to download? |
| 19:56.59 | Saudi_linuxd | and make it eazy to install it using anaconda |
| 19:57.01 | useruser | streuner_: freeze it |
| 19:57.14 | PerfDave | TTT_Travis: I mean that like it's easy. |
| 19:57.14 | TTT_Travis | does anaconda come with it? |
| 19:57.16 | greycat | TTT_Travis: anywhere from 14 ISOs to 2 floppies. |
| 19:57.17 | TTT_Travis | ok |
| 19:57.17 | Ronin | TTT_Travis: go read the url dpkg pasted for you |
| 19:57.19 | streuner_ | useruser: pardon? |
| 19:57.25 | greycat | TTT_Travis: most people just use one 110 MB ISO, though. |
| 19:57.26 | TTT_Travis | ok |
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| 19:57.34 | useruser | streuner_: oops, meant for sgeigerbot |
| 19:57.35 | PerfDave | TTT_Travis: Read the Installation Manual. You don't necessarily need to download any ISOs :) |
| 19:57.42 | Saudi_linuxd | streuner what is the funny thing |
| 19:57.45 | TTT_Travis | greycat does that have anaconda? |
| 19:58.02 | streuner_ | Saudi_linuxd: humour doesn't hurt |
| 19:58.04 | sgeigerbot | TTT_Travis: no, it is a different installer. |
| 19:58.10 | sgeigerbot | TTT_Travis: just try it, damn you! |
| 19:58.11 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
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| 19:58.17 | TTT_Travis | ok is it easy to use though |
| 19:58.21 | TTT_Travis | ok I'll get the ISO |
| 19:58.28 | sgeigerbot | TTT_Travis: greycat's point was that you don't learn how to install debian unless you install it. |
| 19:58.29 | agroker | greycat, my problem is that if I edit the /etc/resolv.conf file changes are overwritten, how to manage that? |
| 19:58.30 | greycat | d-i is snake-free. |
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| 19:58.41 | Saudi_linuxd | streuner (humour doesn't hurt) yeah |
| 19:58.41 | greycat | agroker: stop overwriting it. |
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| 19:59.11 | agroker | greycat, at which man I can read about stoping overwriting the file?;-) |
| 19:59.15 | furrywolf | agroker: edit your dhcp config |
| 19:59.22 | Saudi_linuxd | so ??? is there any or what????? |
| 19:59.23 | TTT_Travis | where can i get the ISOs with an installer? |
| 19:59.27 | Ronin | TTT_Travis: go read the url dpkg pasted for you |
| 19:59.32 | stew | Saudi_linuxd: are you sure there isnt' already a translation effort to your language, what is your native language? |
| 19:59.41 | agroker | furrywolf, I do not use DHCP, but static configuration, does that matter? |
| 19:59.51 | PerfDave | TTT_Travis: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:00.07 | PerfDave | agroker: If you don't use DHCP, then your resolv.conf shouldn't be overwritten. |
| 20:00.07 | greycat | agroker: figure out who's overwriting it. You mentioned "resolvconf".... what the hell is that? |
| 20:00.22 | Saudi_linuxd | stew arabic |
| 20:00.35 | fooz | resolvconf is a debian system for updating resolv.conf dynamically |
| 20:00.41 | stew | Saudi_linuxd: http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-arabic/ |
| 20:01.02 | stew | Saudi_linuxd: http://www.debian.org/devel/website/translation_coordinators |
| 20:01.04 | fooz | it hooks into ifupdown and dhcp3-client and other things |
| 20:01.06 | agroker | resolvconf is a package (resolvconf 1.26) |
| 20:01.19 | TTT_Travis | arrrrr too confusing |
| 20:01.24 | TTT_Travis | I just want debian |
| 20:01.35 | sgeigerbot | Is anyone using an application to do things like recording all sound played on a system? I'd like to try recording skype phone calls, for instance. |
| 20:01.35 | TTT_Travis | is there any good debian based distros? |
| 20:01.36 | Saudi_linuxd | stew : but the way to install debian is to defficult for the beginners |
| 20:01.43 | Ronin | TTT_Travis: too confusing? dl a tiny little iso and burn to cd is too confusing? |
| 20:01.44 | PerfDave | TTT_Travis: So download it from the URL given above, and install it! |
| 20:02.31 | appaji | greycat: resolvconf is a package to manage /etc/resolv.conf better. |
| 20:02.31 | stew | Saudi_linuxd: yes, and if you want to help make that easier, those two urls are where you should start |
| 20:02.31 | PerfDave | resolvconf is clearly not doing a good job of managing /etc/resolv.conf "better" ;) |
| 20:02.31 | TTT_Travis | well I can't even find where to download that iso...and I would like a more user friendly distro maybe? |
| 20:02.34 | useruser | TTT_Travis: ubuntu has a large fanbase |
| 20:02.35 | Saudi_linuxd | stew i'll see thanx any way |
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| 20:02.52 | agroker | PerDave, I will gladly remove resolvconf if somebody tells me how to configure nameserver without it |
| 20:02.52 | appaji | PerfDave: or agroker isn't using the right resolvconf directives in /etc/network/interfaces :-) |
| 20:02.53 | PerfDave | TTT_Travis: Debian is plenty user friendly. |
| 20:02.56 | TTT_Travis | hmm |
| 20:03.15 | greycat | appaji: apparently it's not better in this case. |
| 20:03.16 | TTT_Travis | does Ubunta run on old hardware (P1 133Mhz 80MB or ram |
| 20:03.17 | Ronin | ok had to check sites still pretty straight forward |
| 20:03.17 | agroker | appaji, maybe, apparently I do not have dns info in my interfaces file |
| 20:03.17 | appaji | agroker: I am sorry, I wasn't around when you told what your problem was, can you reapeat that? |
| 20:03.29 | debwriter | To make only one simulanous login as root possible How to do that? |
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| 20:03.32 | useruser | TTT_Travis: i dunno, never used it. ask in #ubuntu |
| 20:03.32 | Saudi_linuxd | stew but stell asking if there any guide? |
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| 20:03.36 | PerfDave | TTT_Travis: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ has links to the ISOs you need to download. |
| 20:03.37 | streuner | TTT_Tr: we wouldn't know |
| 20:03.43 | leonel | where can I see the Sarge RELEASE STATUS ? |
| 20:03.49 | agroker | appaji, I need to configure my DNS using resolvconf or anything else available |
| 20:03.57 | greycat | leonel: status == NOT RELEASED YET |
| 20:03.59 | fooz | debwriter, you sure you want that? what if someone breaks in and logs in as root? then you won't be able to (you'll be the 2nd login) |
| 20:04.00 | greycat | leonel: subscribe to d-d-a |
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| 20:04.17 | appaji | agroker: you need to have a line like "dns-nameservers prim.dns.server.ip sec.dns.server.ip" under the "iface eth0 inet static" section. |
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| 20:04.43 | leonel | <greycat> leonel: subscribe to d-d-a <-- Read list archives you mean |
| 20:04.43 | agroker | appaji, if I do that now manually won't that line dissappear later? |
| 20:04.44 | PerfDave | TTT_Travis: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso is the image you want, as it says on the page. |
| 20:04.55 | streuner | too late |
| 20:04.55 | greycat | leonel: if you wish. but do subscribe. |
| 20:04.56 | debwriter | fooz- Yes Because it is a closed network with seperate switches |
| 20:05.07 | Ronin | im thinking mandrake will be too compliacated for ttt_Travis |
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| 20:05.10 | fooz | debwriter, fine.. hold on |
| 20:05.12 | greycat | !d-d-a |
| 20:05.12 | dpkg | somebody said d-d-a was debian-devel-announce, the list that major Debian developments are posted to. It's perhaps one message a week, so Sarge and Sid users have no excuse not to be on it and read it. Sign up at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 20:05.29 | streuner | Ronin: his is gone. |
| 20:05.30 | PerfDave | Ronin: I'm surprised that breathing isn't too difficult for them... |
| 20:05.32 | fooz | debwriter, edit /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 20:05.38 | streuner | Ronin: s/his/he/ |
| 20:05.39 | fooz | debwriter, it has instructions on how to set maxlogins |
| 20:05.44 | PerfDave | DWN is good reading |
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| 20:05.57 | fooz | debwriter, then enable the limits module (if it's not already) in the services in /etc/pam.d |
| 20:05.59 | agroker | appaji, interesting that info interfaces does not mention the format of the dns string... |
| 20:06.03 | debwriter | He that sounds cool I trie it out |
| 20:06.04 | appaji | agroker: the first rule with resolvconf is that you don't change /etc/resolv.conf directly. |
| 20:06.14 | appaji | agroker: man resolvconf. |
| 20:06.20 | agroker | appaji, sure, it's in the header there ;-) |
| 20:06.25 | fooz | debwriter, it defaults to enabled for ssh and xdm, but you might want it on for login and su also |
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| 20:06.55 | Saudi_linuxd | stew stell asking if there any guide? |
| 20:07.32 | Paganist | Can i use NFS via broadcast or multicast ? I want to have a kind of RAID 0 on every server here... |
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| 20:07.50 | appaji | agroker: see /usr/share/doc/resolveconf/* |
| 20:07.58 | debwriter | fooz- yes for su too indeed |
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| 20:08.41 | agroker | appaji, thanks I see readme there |
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| 20:09.13 | dambodog_ | greycat, this just moves the grep foo's to the old file - - grep foo oldfile > newfile && mv newfile oldfile - rather then remove the 'foo' from the oldfile |
| 20:09.16 | appaji | agroker: quickly see if there is anything about dns-nameservers in there. |
| 20:09.21 | debwriter | fooz-Thank for the help I have something to do |
| 20:09.37 | agroker | appaji, in a moment.. |
| 20:09.38 | stammi | who knows about sourceforge cvs? where is the right place to ask? |
| 20:09.57 | appaji | stammi: google "cvs site:sf.net" |
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| 20:10.49 | agroker | appaji, fount it, thanks! |
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| 20:11.08 | appaji | agroker: cool. |
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| 20:11.45 | agroker | appaji, whould be nice to include the thing into the man page of interfaces,no? |
| 20:12.17 | appaji | agroker: if you aren't using dynamic network configurations (like DHCP at work, static at univ etc., PPPoE for ADSL at home) then you would want to use resolvconf. |
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| 20:12.48 | agroker | appaji, OK |
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| 20:13.12 | FieldySnuts | @spank FieldySnuts |
| 20:13.26 | appaji | agroker: I mean, different network configs for the same machine. |
| 20:13.29 | FieldySnuts | bad FieldySnuts, tried to start up a dhcp server when there already was one on this network. |
| 20:13.34 | agroker | appaji, you meant "you would NOT want"? |
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| 20:14.09 | agroker | appaji, this machine should have only one static net config |
| 20:14.14 | appaji | agroker: No, if you know that you have to change /etc/resolve.conf often, you want to use resolvconf. |
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| 20:15.28 | appaji | agroker: then remove resolvconf, vi /etc/resolv.conf and add the nameservers there. |
| 20:15.40 | Zrin | after modifying /boot/grub/menu.1st, what do i have to do to update grup? |
| 20:15.47 | appaji | Zrin: No. |
| 20:16.00 | Zrin | appaji: ? |
| 20:16.10 | zinx | Zrin: it's menu.lst, and it depends on how you modified it |
| 20:16.11 | takatumi | Zrin: what are you modifying in menu.lst? |
| 20:16.23 | agroker | appaji, so even if the resolvconf package is absent system makes use of /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 20:16.25 | greycat | !menu.1st is <reply> Look, guys. STOP USING WINDOWS. And if your eyes suck, PLEASE go get glasses. It's not "menu.1st". Never has been. It's not "first". It's "list". "menu.lst". OK? OK? |
| 20:16.26 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:16.44 | appaji | Zrin: grub isn't lilo. You can reboot and your entries will appear. |
| 20:16.51 | Zrin | takatumi: kopt=hdc=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1 |
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| 20:17.14 | Zrin | takatumi: did i get it right? (using 2.4 kernel) |
| 20:17.19 | FlopsyPete | anyone know why I might need a2ps for printing (everything seems fine already, using CUPS)? |
| 20:17.29 | appaji | agroker: it does. |
| 20:17.32 | takatumi | Zrin: then it's safe to run update-grub, the kopt options should be added automatically. |
| 20:17.33 | greycat | Zrin: if you modify the commented-out # kopt= line, it's been said that you must run update-grub for the comments to be re-processed. |
| 20:17.59 | zinx | Zrin: you should leave it commented out |
| 20:18.00 | greycat | I have no idea what that max_scsi_luns thing is for, though. |
| 20:18.12 | agroker | appaji, I will try those things now, but have to disconnect since I have only 1 plug at this lab. Thanks a lot. |
| 20:18.18 | dambodog_ | greycat, any other suggestions? |
| 20:18.21 | Zrin | greycat - i didn't modify the kopt line, i just added the line above |
| 20:18.41 | greycat | Zrin: then... I wash my hands of it. |
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| 20:18.50 | greycat | you didn't even follow the instructions in the file |
| 20:18.54 | Zrin | zinx: does hdc=ide-scsi go into kopt= ? |
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| 20:18.59 | dambodog_ | greycat, just remove those grep'd lines from the file |
| 20:19.12 | greycat | dambodog_: grep -v foo oldfile > newfile && mv newfile oldfile |
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| 20:20.02 | zinx | Zrin: yes |
| 20:20.09 | zinx | Zrin: though ide-scsi is deprecated |
| 20:20.27 | takatumi | zinx: what is the other option for 2.4? |
| 20:20.30 | Zrin | zinx: i need to use CDRW with 2.4 kernel |
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| 20:21.15 | Zrin | zinx: cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 complins about missing DMA and "not maintained kernel sources" |
| 20:21.23 | zinx | Zrin: :/ |
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| 20:21.48 | greycat | zinx: it's only deprecated in 2.6 |
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| 20:22.49 | UKPbrownUK | Anyone help with a samba mount in fstab, basically I have 8 mounts listed and only 4 seem to mount during boot, I had to instal smbfs in /etc/modules, is it possible that module is not loaded in time? |
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| 20:23.45 | bhearsum | can someone give me a hand with cpufreqd? i can't start it. it says no cpufreq interfaces found. i'm using 2.6.8-2-686 and i've loaded all the modules that seem relevant. |
| 20:23.55 | Zrin | haha, i modified (uncommented) the kopt= line, but update-grub deleted my changes |
| 20:24.15 | greycat | DO NOT UNCOMMENT IT. |
| 20:24.21 | Zrin | ok |
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| 20:24.47 | greycat | ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified |
| 20:24.47 | greycat | ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default optons below |
| 20:24.47 | greycat | ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs |
| 20:25.01 | Zrin | greycat: where shall i put kopt=hdc=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1 ? |
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| 20:25.18 | appaji | Zrin: put it in the kernel line. |
| 20:25.30 | greycat | appaji: no. on the # kopt line |
| 20:25.35 | Zrin | IC |
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| 20:25.45 | Zrin | greycat: thx! |
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| 20:26.37 | Zrin | greycat: shall i remove /dev/hda1 ro ? |
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| 20:26.54 | el_sebas | zip -e is the unique way to compress and encript a file? |
| 20:26.56 | Zrin | greycat: i mean remove root=/dev/hda1 ro ? |
| 20:27.09 | appaji | Hmm, automagic config options |
| 20:27.22 | appaji | dpkg, poke takatumi |
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| 20:27.39 | greycat | Zrin: just add your new options onto the END of the kopt line. |
| 20:27.46 | Zrin | greycat: thx! |
| 20:27.51 | greycat | leave all the existing options on it. |
| 20:27.57 | PuGz | hey again... ok.. got wireless network running at boot fine with /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:28.25 | appaji | greycat: that would mean, all his kernels (including the 2.6 ones) will have that option appended at the end of the kernel directive. |
| 20:28.28 | UKPbrownUK | Anyone any ideas on my fstab related issue? :-( |
| 20:28.36 | el_sebas | zip -e is the unique way to compress and encript a file? |
| 20:28.41 | PuGz | now.... i have install apache2 and php4.... where is httpd.conf for apache2? it seems empty in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
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| 20:30.18 | takatumi | appaji: what's up? :) |
| 20:30.30 | greycat | appaji: hmm... yes, that's true. but how many people have both 2.6 and non-2.6 kernels on the same box? |
| 20:31.16 | takatumi | greycat: me. |
| 20:31.19 | appaji | takatumi: life is good :-) been trying hurd. |
| 20:31.38 | takatumi | appaji: I looked at it for a while, seemed distant. |
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| 20:31.47 | appaji | greycat: I use them. I think most people who run desktops do. |
| 20:31.53 | Overand | Ok, so who can tell me if I need a modified kernel for my RaQ 4 |
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| 20:32.23 | appaji | takatumi: I just installed it using the crosshurd script and booted into it a few times. Did not explore it thouroughly, did not try X on it, just the base install. |
| 20:32.45 | appaji | takatumi: but been reading a few documents to make myself familiar with the system. |
| 20:32.50 | takatumi | appaji: segfault away. |
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| 20:33.19 | appaji | takatumi: more opportunities to fix it :-D |
| 20:33.45 | takatumi | appaji: sure, they need more hands. |
| 20:33.53 | epictetus | a lot of people have both 2.6 and non-2.6 |
| 20:34.01 | epictetus | like almost anyone who installs debian and then uses 2.6 |
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| 20:34.07 | telmich | hello |
| 20:34.14 | epictetus | has the default debian 2.4 and then whatever 2.6 they added |
| 20:34.20 | telmich | how can I tell dpkg _not_ to touch /usr/sbin/sendmail? |
| 20:34.20 | appaji | takatumi: I joined debian-hurd@l.d.o a few days ago, will take sometime before I can contribute anything useful. But I'll try. |
| 20:34.42 | telmich | I want to have postfix installed, so dpkg dependencies are ok, but internally I want to use qmail |
| 20:34.45 | appaji | telmich: what is dpkg doing to /usr/sbin/sendmail? |
| 20:34.46 | greycat | telmich: build your own MTA package. use equivs. |
| 20:34.49 | greycat | telmich: this is in the FAQ> |
| 20:34.53 | greycat | !faq telmich |
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| 20:34.54 | dpkg | telmich: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 20:35.00 | telmich | appaji: it's overwriting my self-compiled binary |
| 20:35.13 | PerfDave | telmich: Or just use the qmail-src package, if you want to use qmail. |
| 20:35.23 | telmich | greycat: I don't want to build a package |
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| 20:35.32 | greycat | PerfDave: but only if he wants qmail to be completely undermined by Debian. |
| 20:35.34 | telmich | PerfDave: thanks, I already built with some patches |
| 20:35.36 | greycat | telmich: too bad. |
| 20:35.40 | LSorensen | /topic/win 4 |
| 20:35.46 | telmich | I _know_ there is a simple command to tell dpkg to ignore a file |
| 20:35.51 | greycat | (I mean, wow, building mta-local takes an entire 3 seconds!!!!) |
| 20:35.57 | telmich | respectively _not_ to touch it |
| 20:36.04 | greycat | (I can see how that would be a major stress on your production mail server!) |
| 20:36.10 | PerfDave | telmich: Well, that's how you ended up in this mess :) |
| 20:36.12 | el_sebas | zip -e is the unique way to compress and encript a file? |
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| 20:36.19 | Psychik | hi |
| 20:36.22 | greycat | telmich: read the god damned FAQ |
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| 20:36.35 | PerfDave | el_sebas: You can use gpg -c to encrypt, and gzip or bzip2 to compress |
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| 20:37.16 | bhearsum | are there any prepackaged kernels available for sarge 2.6.9 or greater? |
| 20:37.29 | Psychik | hi |
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| 20:37.55 | cheal | bhearsum: no |
| 20:37.58 | bhearsum | hum |
| 20:37.58 | bhearsum | okay |
| 20:38.15 | el_sebas | PerfDAve: thanks! |
| 20:38.19 | Psychik | plz someone can tell me the cmd to reconfig pure-ftpd ( in console) ? thx |
| 20:38.32 | takatumi | bhearsum: get 'em from sid if you really need a newer one. |
| 20:38.32 | UKPbrownUK | Last ditch attempt guys (promise) anyone help me with my fstab prob? The mother in law has arrived and If I can't get into fixing this I will have to walk her :-( |
| 20:38.33 | appaji | Psychik: dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd ? |
| 20:38.38 | bhearsum | seems my cpu is too new for 2.6.8 -- speedstep_centrino doesn't like it |
| 20:38.45 | bhearsum | takatumi: those should go cleanly? |
| 20:38.48 | appaji | UKPbrownUK: what was the problem? |
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| 20:39.12 | takatumi | bhearsum: just download the kernel-image.deb from packages.debian.org and install it. |
| 20:39.24 | telmich | greycat: looks like in the 'god damned FAQ' are many answers I am not interested in, but not the one to my question |
| 20:39.28 | Psychik | no appaji , this one stopped hin |
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| 20:39.36 | UKPbrownUK | I have smbfs in my /etc/modules and 8 entries in fstab yet it only loads 4 of them and it seems to be random 4 (So if I reboot they may change) |
| 20:39.43 | bhearsum | takatumi: thats what i'm doing right now |
| 20:39.58 | greycat | telmich: it's not OUR fault if you choose to ignore all the advice we give. You're on your own then. Enjoy your broken system. |
| 20:40.00 | takatumi | bhearsum: which version? |
| 20:40.04 | appaji | telmich: install the equivs package and read the docs. |
| 20:40.11 | telmich | BAAAH! |
| 20:40.13 | bhearsum | 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 20:40.22 | UKPbrownUK | dmesg says smbfs: Unrecognized mount option vers |
| 20:40.22 | UKPbrownUK | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.34 | telmich | that can't be possible. It's a GOOD DAMN SIMPLE PARAMETER. thanks arrogant debian guys. |
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| 20:40.51 | Kerr | My irc server keeps delinking, i keep being closed out of ssh. How can i check what is wrong? There are no rogue processes eating up the cpu. |
| 20:40.52 | UKPbrownUK | oh :-/ |
| 20:40.56 | greycat | telmich: just build mta-local and install it to satisfy the mail-transport-agent virtual package dependency. WHY IS THIS SUCH A PROBLEM FOR YOU? |
| 20:41.09 | greycat | and who's the arrogant one? |
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| 20:41.25 | PerfDave | greycat: He left. |
| 20:41.30 | greycat | PerfDave: they always do. |
| 20:41.30 | Teemu_K | how i can get .mid files to work in debian :( |
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| 20:41.53 | defsy | Teemu_K: install timidity++ ? |
| 20:42.12 | Teemu_K | mm |
| 20:42.21 | sgeigerbot | Teemu_K: timidity abcmidi apt-cache search midi |
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| 20:42.34 | Teemu_K | well |
| 20:42.51 | assassin | Hrm... is there a way to bastardize a process from it's terminal... like screen? |
| 20:43.06 | sgeigerbot | assassin: be specific |
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| 20:43.17 | sgeigerbot | Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then someone here will answer. |
| 20:43.26 | assassin | I want to be able to switch the tty of a process |
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| 20:43.36 | Teemu_K | well, where i can get config files to timidity :I |
| 20:43.39 | greycat | assassin: run it in screen |
| 20:43.46 | assassin | Any other way? |
| 20:43.49 | greycat | if you didn't run it in screen, it's too late. |
| 20:44.06 | assassin | I'm not worried about anything critical... just wondering |
| 20:44.23 | assassin | It's been egging me for about 2 months now |
| 20:44.36 | PerfDave | Can you not suspend and nohup it? Or does that mean you can't reattach it at all? |
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| 20:45.23 | arizzz | Question, i'm new to the linux scene. Just tried to install woody but now getting some message about the partition table when i reboot. can anyone tell me what to do? |
| 20:45.47 | UKPbrownUK | Ahhhhhhhh If no one can help I really will have to go and socialise with the mother inlaw, you guys are cruel ;-) She hasn't eaten yet and I only have 7 fingers left :-( |
| 20:45.56 | pipeline | arizzz: You probably want to install sarge. |
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| 20:46.23 | arizzz | yes, i downloaded the mini cd for woody and wanted to update it to sarge after that |
| 20:46.30 | squirecd | Hey guys. I need a little help please. I've got a laptop running Debian. I've got a D-Link 650 PCMCIA card. It was working fine for months. The other day, however, I was trying to get airtraf to work and I thought I'd try editing /etc/network/interfaces . I did this and my wifi went down. Obviously, the solution was to just put /etc/network/interfaces back the way it was. But, when I fixed the config file, it stil didn't work. |
| 20:46.30 | PerfDave | arizzz: You can tell us what the message is, for starters. |
| 20:46.35 | squirecd | "cardinfo" see's my D-Link card so I'm assuming the driver isn't the problem. It must be a config error. Can someone tell me how I might fix this or where I went wrong? |
| 20:46.50 | ahammond | arizzz: and you might want to write down the exact message since "some message about the partition table" isn't going to get you much help... |
| 20:47.00 | PerfDave | squirecd: I'm guessing you didn't put it back the way it was :) |
| 20:47.08 | squirecd | PerfDave: But I did |
| 20:47.11 | arizzz | hmm is dutch, translated "partition table is not valid" |
| 20:47.12 | squirecd | I'm positive that I did |
| 20:47.18 | squirecd | it was eth2 |
| 20:47.22 | squirecd | i added the line back just the way it was |
| 20:47.23 | PerfDave | squirecd: Then why isn't it working? ;) |
| 20:47.26 | squirecd | auto eth2 |
| 20:47.31 | squirecd | iface eth2 net dhcp |
| 20:47.38 | squirecd | and it's not working |
| 20:47.47 | squirecd | PerfDave: lol seriously, i added it back perfectly |
| 20:47.47 | ahammond | net? not inet? |
| 20:47.48 | PerfDave | squirecd: /msg dpkg enter |
| 20:47.51 | squirecd | i meant inet |
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| 20:48.06 | PerfDave | squirecd: Does the interface show up at all in "ifconfig -a"? |
| 20:48.13 | assassin | PerfDave: I don't no if there's a way to reatach it... It does do half the work though |
| 20:48.15 | squirecd | PerfDave: lemme check |
| 20:48.35 | assassin | s/no/know |
| 20:48.58 | squirecd | PerfDave: ifconfig -a does not show eth2 |
| 20:49.03 | squirecd | but the line is infact in interfaces |
| 20:49.08 | squirecd | and cardinfo sees the card |
| 20:49.34 | squirecd | eth0 is ethernet - eth1 is my firewire - and eth2 used to be my wifi |
| 20:49.37 | PerfDave | squirecd: If ifconfig doesn't show eth2, then your kernel doesn't recognise it for some reason. |
| 20:49.41 | squirecd | and i did add the line back into interfaces |
| 20:49.49 | squirecd | PerfDave: but the kernel must see it, i changed nothing in the kernel |
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| 20:49.56 | squirecd | and also, cardinfo sees that it's a D-Link 650 |
| 20:49.59 | squirecd | but eth2 isn't there |
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| 20:50.04 | PerfDave | squirecd: interfaces has nothing to do with this. The line in /etc/network/interfaces tells the ifup script what to do with the interfaces the kernel can see. |
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| 20:50.15 | squirecd | PerfDave: but I never changed my kernel |
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| 20:50.20 | squirecd | I've got 4 different kernels on this box |
| 20:50.23 | squirecd | and it worked with them all |
| 20:50.26 | squirecd | and now it works with none |
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| 20:50.32 | PerfDave | squirecd: If "ifconfig -a" doesn't show an interface, then it's not recognised by your kernel. Full stop. No two ways about it. |
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| 20:50.39 | FieldySnuts | someone said something tome but it's outta buffer. if it's important try again |
| 20:50.48 | arizzz | im receiving the error "Partition table not valid" after trying to install woody, anyone? |
| 20:50.49 | squirecd | PerfDave: How could I possibly have changed all 4 kernels? |
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| 20:51.14 | PerfDave | squirecd: I didn't say you had. |
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| 20:51.22 | squirecd | PerfDave: then what could've happened? |
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| 20:51.32 | gpm | arizzz: i would just reinstall...it means exactly what it says. your partition table is fucked. |
| 20:51.34 | PerfDave | squirecd: But something has changed about your system configuration which means that your kernel no longer recognises your card. |
| 20:51.34 | ahammond | squirecd, is the module loading? |
| 20:51.38 | zulkifar | How to get the list of all clocks/modes which my graphical card support? Its a CLE266 Castlerock VIA card. |
| 20:51.57 | ahammond | squirecd, or did you muck with any of the module config settings? |
| 20:52.01 | squirecd | ahammond: I think the module is loading. I mean, if "cardinfo" sees it, then it must be |
| 20:52.06 | squirecd | But to be sure, how do I check? |
| 20:52.08 | squirecd | it's prism2 |
| 20:52.12 | arizzz | gpm gonna try it |
| 20:52.36 | FieldySnuts | watch system logs. lsmod. |
| 20:52.43 | squirecd | I did edit /etc/modules.conf to include ALL prism modules after the problem had already occured |
| 20:52.53 | travisat | I thought dlink 650 was atheros |
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| 20:52.59 | gpm | arizzz: good luck. |
| 20:53.05 | squirecd | travisat: D-Link 650 is prism2 |
| 20:53.18 | travisat | dwl-g650 |
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| 20:53.25 | travisat | mine is atheros |
| 20:53.27 | squirecd | it's a b card |
| 20:53.30 | squirecd | 802.11b |
| 20:53.32 | travisat | ahh |
| 20:53.35 | squirecd | yeah |
| 20:53.37 | squirecd | old :) |
| 20:53.50 | squirecd | my router does b & g |
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| 20:53.53 | squirecd | but i can only use b |
| 20:53.55 | squirecd | anyway though |
| 20:54.01 | travisat | my router only does b :( |
| 20:54.08 | squirecd | Ok... maybe I screwed the module up somehow. I'll check and see if it's loaded up |
| 20:54.10 | squirecd | do lsmod |
| 20:54.13 | squirecd | and what am I looking for? |
| 20:54.18 | Kerr | I keep beink kicked out of ssh; and my server keeps blipping from the net. I'm pretty sure it's connection is stable, and top shows no resource hogs. How can i figure out what is going on ? |
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| 20:54.31 | PerfDave | squirecd: I'm assuming that "cardinfo" works the same as "lspci". It'll show you what the card thinks it is, not whether the kernel recognises it. |
| 20:54.32 | Covener | Kerr: mtu? |
| 20:54.40 | PerfDave | !tell squirecd -about enter |
| 20:54.59 | squirecd | sorry :) |
| 20:55.02 | FieldySnuts | ~annoy squirecd |
| 20:55.09 | FieldySnuts | apt: hi |
| 20:55.09 | apt | hi, fieldysnuts |
| 20:55.14 | simonrvn | @annoy FieldySnuts |
| 20:55.15 | FieldySnuts | apt: irritate SquareRt |
| 20:55.17 | apt | $what: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses gnome !!!1 |
| 20:55.20 | squirecd | Alright. I'll do lsmod and lspci and I'll be right back with the results on it. |
| 20:55.20 | FieldySnuts | gah i give up |
| 20:55.24 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 20:55.36 | zulkifar | Is there a tool which can list all clocks/modes which my graphical card support? |
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| 20:55.39 | FieldySnuts | what's with the annoy and irritate factoids being messed up? some put $1 or $what in place of the nick |
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| 20:56.01 | omnis | hey does anyone know how to make an ISO of an CD? |
| 20:56.05 | omnistegan | can someone give me a command to make an iso from a cd that is in the drive? |
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| 20:56.05 | FieldySnuts | ne1 plz to noob kooliio use dvd? |
| 20:56.07 | Covener | omnistegan: dd |
| 20:56.13 | travisat | apt irritate ~= s/what/1/ |
| 20:56.16 | apt | $what: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh edonkey U FUX0RZ |
| 20:56.16 | FieldySnuts | omnis: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=blah.iso |
| 20:56.27 | FieldySnuts | haha edonky u fux0rz god |
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| 20:56.35 | FieldySnuts | god. |
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| 20:56.42 | simonrvn | no.. cmd: irritate (.*?) =~ s/foo/bar/ |
| 20:56.53 | omnis | thanks FieldySnuts |
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| 20:57.10 | TTT_Travis | mmmmk installin debian |
| 20:57.35 | Kerr | Covener: What is mtu? |
| 20:57.38 | sparr_ | I am trying to unrar a rar archive and getting "unrar: mkdir failed 'somedirthatshouldbecreated': No such file or directory" for every dir in the archive except the top one. Any ideas? |
| 20:57.51 | ahammond | kerr, Maximum Transmission Unit |
| 20:57.53 | squirecd | PerfDave: Okay. lspci showed nothing. It did see the cardbus but no DLink wifi card. But, that wouldn't show my card anyway because it's not pci. It's pcmcia. Anyway... I checked for the prism2 module with lsmod and got nothing either. No prism driver is loaded. |
| 20:58.00 | Lennart | sparr_: *can* you create dirs there ? |
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| 20:58.36 | sparr_ | Lennart: yes. what would cause the 'no such file or directory' error? its trying to make ./foo/bar/ and ./foo/ exists |
| 20:58.37 | PerfDave | sparr_: It's probably a WinRAR v3 or v4 (I forget) file which can't be undone with the Free unrar. You'll need to install unrar-nonfree from non-free, or tell the person providing this archive that RAR is a shit format. |
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| 20:58.51 | ahammond | apt lart travisat |
| 20:58.55 | squirecd | PerfDave: So, lspci said nothing and lsmod doesn't have the prism driver loaded. What now? |
| 20:58.56 | sparr_ | PerfDave: last time that happened it wouldnt read the rar at all |
| 20:58.57 | Lennart | sparr_: precreate all required directories... |
| 20:59.10 | PerfDave | sparr_: Why would you have expected lspci to say anything? |
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| 20:59.16 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 20:59.21 | PerfDave | squirecd: Why would you have expected lspci to say anything? |
| 20:59.23 | TTT_Travis | how hard do you think XPde would be to set up on Debian? or can I just use Apt-Get? |
| 20:59.29 | sparr_ | Lennart: did that. then the mkdir errors go away, but every file just says 'Failed' on the output |
| 20:59.31 | Teemu_K | Instrument `Tone_000/007_Clavinet.pat' can't be found. |
| 20:59.33 | squirecd | PerfDave: because you guys told me to check lspci |
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| 20:59.51 | squirecd | I didn't expect it to but that's what ya see =P |
| 20:59.52 | Teemu_K | whats wrong :I |
| 21:00.07 | Lennart | sparr_: hm, upgrade you unrar ? If that doesn't work, send it back as PerfDave says. |
| 21:00.10 | PerfDave | squirecd: No, I said that if cardbus worked like lspci, it would show you what devices connected to the PCMCIA bus whether or not the kernel recognised them, so your card showing up was meaningless. |
| 21:00.39 | squirecd | Oh, okay. Sorry. I'm utterly confused though as to how cardinfo sees my card and names it as D-Link 650 802.11b wireless card . But, lsmod does prove that the module is not loaded.... |
| 21:00.54 | PerfDave | squirecd: What happens if you try loading the correct module with modprobe? |
| 21:01.02 | squirecd | Let me check. Brb. |
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| 21:01.21 | plusmehr | my xfree works not with my mouse pretty good, I can't scroll |
| 21:01.24 | TTT_Travis | how hard do you think XPde would be to set up on Debian? or can I just use Apt-Get? |
| 21:01.32 | PerfDave | What is XPde? |
| 21:01.37 | travisat | useless |
| 21:01.46 | Lennart | plusmehr: google on it, you will find this question 1000 times answered |
| 21:01.57 | travisat | !xpde |
| 21:01.57 | dpkg | xpde is probably a desktop environment attempting to make it easier for the newbie. stands for "XP Desktop Environment.", or at xpde.com for more info. |
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| 21:02.46 | travisat | should be apt-gettable |
| 21:02.53 | PerfDave | TTT_Travis: If it's in Debian's repositories, you can find it with apt - "/msg dpkg search". If not, they may have Debian packages of their own at xpde.com which you can install with dpkg. If not, you can install it in /usr/local by following their instructions. |
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| 21:03.46 | TTT_Travis | ok PerfDave |
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| 21:04.03 | ic4rus | hi.. i've installed debian and i couldn't configure my serial mouse.. could someone help me? |
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| 21:04.41 | squirecd | PerfDave: Bizarre. I can't even find the prism2_cs module. Or any other prism2 mod at all now. I tried to load prism54 and it gave me the unrec. symbols error. |
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| 21:05.25 | PerfDave | squirecd: That sounds like something knackered at your kernel level then. Or maybe /lib/modules has gone byebye. |
| 21:06.10 | Paganist | Can i use NFS via broadcast or multicast ? I want to have a kind of RAID 0 on every server here... |
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| 21:06.36 | travisat | Paganist: wouldn't that be a bad idea? |
| 21:06.40 | squirecd | PerfDave: Indeed... Hmm... Should I apt-get remove one of the kernels, then reinstall it. And reboot? Maybe that'll bring my mods back. |
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| 21:06.58 | travisat | one server breaks and you lose everything |
| 21:06.58 | Paganist | travisat: well, i dono, i just want RAID 0 on every server |
| 21:07.00 | PerfDave | squirecd: Doesn't sound like a good idea. |
| 21:07.14 | squirecd | PerfDave: Why not? And what else can I do? |
| 21:07.22 | Paganist | travisat: no, i mirror so one server breaks and i keep everything |
| 21:07.27 | PerfDave | squirecd: I'm on the phone, sorry |
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| 21:07.32 | Paganist | travisat: it is RAID 0 |
| 21:07.57 | Paganist | travisat: means perfect mirror on each station |
| 21:08.00 | ic4rus | how do i configure my serial mouse in debian? plz help me |
| 21:08.05 | travisat | Paganist:thats not raid 0 |
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| 21:08.15 | streuner_ | ic4rus: mdetect |
| 21:08.41 | Paganist | travisat: there is a long while i didn't deal with RAID but as far i remember, it IS raid 0 |
| 21:08.55 | ic4rus | streuner_ just type mdetect at console? |
| 21:08.57 | travisat | raid 0 is where you stripe two discs into 1 |
| 21:09.31 | billyoc | !find /bin/sln sid |
| 21:09.40 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/bin/sln' returned no results. |
| 21:09.46 | Paganist | travisat: then, i am the wrong one |
| 21:09.59 | streuner_ | ic4rus: yes, and put the entries into /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:10.06 | Paganist | travisat: which raid does exact mirror on each disk ? |
| 21:10.15 | travisat | Paganist: you probably just want to use rsync or the like to sync up backups to a cron job, not full raid between seperate servers |
| 21:10.19 | ic4rus | hm |
| 21:10.36 | ic4rus | "bash: mdetect: command not found" |
| 21:10.46 | Paganist | travisat: i want the exact same datas on every server |
| 21:10.48 | eugenesan | hi all, is that right that i can't create Physical partition for RAID on on SUN lpart-table ayout? |
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| 21:11.04 | streuner_ | ic4rus: apt-get install mdetet |
| 21:11.07 | streuner_ | ic4rus: apt-get install mdetect |
| 21:11.15 | ic4rus | ok |
| 21:11.42 | jonz | hmm i'm having trouble compiling a tool that's looking for cc1plus; i have cpp installed but no cc1plus. is this something debian-specific? |
| 21:11.48 | jonz | (something debian-specific i'm missing that is) |
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| 21:11.59 | travisat | Paganist: if you have seperate servers somehow raided then you hd i/o would eat up all your bandwith on the lan and be much exceedingly slow |
| 21:12.11 | Kerr | I keep beink kicked out of ssh; and my server keeps blipping from the net. I'm pretty sure it's connection is stable, and top shows no resource hogs. How can i figure out what is going on ? Someone said 'maximum transmission unit' but i don't understand, and google was no help. |
| 21:12.21 | jonz | ah g++ |
| 21:12.33 | Paganist | travisat: what rsync does exactly ? |
| 21:12.38 | travisat | !rsync |
| 21:12.38 | dpkg | methinks rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 21:12.43 | ic4rus | streuner_: i've installed mdetect.. when i type mdetect nothing happens |
| 21:12.44 | Paganist | travisat: what about GFS ? |
| 21:12.57 | streuner_ | ic4rus: move the mouse |
| 21:13.01 | travisat | !gfs |
| 21:13.01 | dpkg | [gfs] The Global File System (GFS): it allows multiple Linux machines to share storage devices over a network. See http://www.globalfilesystem.org/ |
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| 21:13.16 | Paganist | humm |
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| 21:13.27 | ic4rus | streuner_: nothing =/ |
| 21:13.34 | Paganist | travisat: what about multicasting NFS ? |
| 21:13.44 | Teemu_K | blais there way to make esd -public -tcp -p 16001 server and client work with no buffer, or that damn 2sec delay |
| 21:13.57 | Teemu_K | its annoying when trying to play some game or watch movie :( |
| 21:14.23 | Teemu_K | one day i got one game working without delay but i have no clue how i didit |
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| 21:15.13 | streuner_ | ic4rus: ok |
| 21:15.18 | Paganist | travisat: i only want to synchronise home directorie |
| 21:15.24 | Paganist | directories * |
| 21:15.27 | streuner_ | ic4rus: what do you get with 'mdetect -v'? |
| 21:15.28 | ahammond | Kerr, that' s pretty vague problem description. |
| 21:15.32 | Paganist | and maybe /etc |
| 21:15.33 | plusmehr | what do you think , when will be sarge release as stable |
| 21:15.52 | silverton | nevar! |
| 21:16.01 | travisat | Paganist: just use one home directory one one machine and mount it over the net |
| 21:16.01 | simonrvn | @wir |
| 21:16.02 | ravenbird | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
| 21:16.05 | silverton | sid will be stable before sarge >:O |
| 21:16.29 | Paganist | travisat: no, if this machine gets down, i'm dead network wise |
| 21:16.30 | ic4rus | streuner_: found the following devices: /dev/psaux /dev/ttyS1 /dev/ttyS0 |
| 21:16.34 | Paganist | i want redundancy |
| 21:16.40 | Paganist | that's why i ask this |
| 21:16.44 | streuner_ | ic4rus: what do you get with 'mdetect -x'? |
| 21:17.06 | ic4rus | streuner_: same as mdetect |
| 21:17.19 | ahammond | Paganist, why exactly is rsync not sufficient? |
| 21:17.24 | ic4rus | streuner_: -o is same too |
| 21:17.25 | travisat | Paganist: so add an extra hard-drive to the machine where home/etc are and raid 1 on it |
| 21:17.30 | silverton | what gnome program is equivalent to k3b? |
| 21:17.35 | silverton | or should I just get k3b |
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| 21:17.40 | streuner_ | ic4rus: so you have only one seriell port? |
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| 21:17.47 | Teemu_K | its annoying when trying to play some game or watch movie :( |
| 21:17.48 | Teemu_K | one day i got one game working without delay but i have no clue how i didit |
| 21:17.50 | BrianAnthony | What is M-$x in emacs? |
| 21:17.50 | Teemu_K | >:I |
| 21:17.53 | travisat | Paganist: overly reduntant copies of data is stupid |
| 21:17.54 | streuner_ | ic4rus: connection? |
| 21:17.56 | thingfish | k3b works fine with gnome, silverton. |
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| 21:18.05 | Paganist | ahammond: i don't know, i only try to figure out what fit my needs |
| 21:18.10 | silverton | yeah, but it needs kde libraries :'( |
| 21:18.24 | Paganist | travisat: nah, this is not what i want, i wnt the same datas on every station |
| 21:18.26 | ahammond | Paganist: well... what problem exactly are you trying to solve? |
| 21:18.27 | silverton | wait, nevermind |
| 21:18.29 | silverton | ignore what I said |
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| 21:18.35 | ic4rus | streuner_: serial |
| 21:18.36 | silverton | !aol silverton |
| 21:18.40 | plusmehr | have someone a good installtion for x.org? |
| 21:18.44 | ahammond | Paganist: same data on every station -> nfs mounted home dirs. |
| 21:18.49 | simonrvn | BrianAnthony: meta, aka alt, but on kbds they should be differnet, but on most kbds they aren't. you can also try using esc |
| 21:18.58 | Paganist | ahammond: i have a cluster and i want to have the same datas on every station, it is an LVS type of cluster |
| 21:18.58 | ahammond | Paganist: or you could use afs if you want to be special. |
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| 21:19.26 | streuner_ | ic4rus: yes, use /dev/ttyS0 as device and 'Auto' for protocol in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:19.29 | ahammond | Paganist: ok. so either nfs or afs mounted home dirs. |
| 21:19.31 | Paganist | nfs takes from one station, right ? |
| 21:19.49 | ahammond | Paganist: nfs has one server and multiple clients |
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| 21:20.13 | travisat | make a raid of that server just in case and you should be safe |
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| 21:20.27 | luulis | Teemu_K: you could try disabling esd.. |
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| 21:20.36 | Paganist | ahammond: ok, that i want is every node beeing client and server, like if i write a file, it is written on every hd of each node |
| 21:20.37 | ic4rus | do i edit XF86Config-4 with 'vi' ? |
| 21:20.46 | ahammond | Paganist: forget it |
| 21:20.47 | Teemu_K | luulis: and, whats idea of that? |
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| 21:20.50 | Phated | ic4rus: No. |
| 21:20.50 | silverton | ic4rus, vim would be easier |
| 21:20.52 | Linthon | can anyone tell me how to use the shutdown command i type shutdown or shutdown -t 1 none work |
| 21:20.53 | Phated | !drxx ic4rus |
| 21:20.54 | dpkg | ic4rus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 21:20.57 | Paganist | ahammond: no way, i want this |
| 21:21.01 | sgeigerbot | ic4rus: Yes, you can...but if you have to ask, you are probably not ready to do so. |
| 21:21.02 | badblody | what are the default permissions, owner and group of /dev/video0 ? |
| 21:21.04 | silverton | or that, lol |
| 21:21.10 | sgeigerbot | ic4rus: never mind... |
| 21:21.12 | ahammond | Paganist: or... more accurately, what's your budget (money and human resources) |
| 21:21.16 | Teemu_K | i need, esd, because thats only way i know to use sound server at another computer and stream my sound to there |
| 21:21.27 | Paganist | ahammond: i need to code it myself ? |
| 21:21.29 | ic4rus | sgeigerbot: lol.. ok |
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| 21:21.38 | Linthon | can anyone tell me how to use the shutdown command i type shutdown or shutdown -t 1 none work |
| 21:21.40 | bassinboy | Anyone have experience with gpart? |
| 21:21.40 | appaji | Linthon: shutdown -r? |
| 21:21.43 | ahammond | Paganist: no, there are some options, but... |
| 21:21.51 | Paganist | i want a free product |
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| 21:21.55 | simonrvn | shutdown -h now |
| 21:21.56 | Paganist | free as GNU |
| 21:22.02 | simonrvn | man shutdown |
| 21:22.10 | Linthon | thanks |
| 21:22.12 | ahammond | Paganist: they're still a little rough around the edges, and require a lot of sysadmin attention and maintenance. |
| 21:22.20 | Paganist | humm |
| 21:22.21 | dvs | appaji: shutdown -r will reboot the computer |
| 21:22.34 | ahammond | Paganist: that's assuming you want a real-time distributed filesystem. |
| 21:22.41 | appaji | dvs: Indeed. |
| 21:22.49 | Paganist | ahammond: it is what i want |
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| 21:23.08 | ahammond | Paganist: well, that's a very expensive bit of technology to operate |
| 21:23.08 | Kerr | ahammond: My ircserver, and webserver are randomly offlining; leaving my ssh sessions frozen in a weird way. I cannot post, but i still see other people's posts until i ping from ssh. Then i can't login for a few minutes, return to find my server delinked then relinked, It's maddening; and i can't find the cause. |
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| 21:23.17 | Paganist | ahammond: what free software will bring me closer to what i want ? |
| 21:23.20 | websdale | silverton: have you tried gnomebaker for CD burning? |
| 21:23.31 | ahammond | Paganist: coda project is a good place to look |
| 21:23.36 | Paganist | ok |
| 21:23.38 | ahammond | Paganist: what is this for? |
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| 21:23.54 | Paganist | ahammond: it can be non synchronised though |
| 21:24.05 | Paganist | ahammond: LVS clustering |
| 21:24.05 | ahammond | Paganist: non-synchronised? |
| 21:24.08 | appaji | Kerr: try capturing the data on that machine by running ethereal and examine it. |
| 21:24.09 | Paganist | i mean |
| 21:24.19 | Paganist | it can write data on one node at once |
| 21:24.35 | Paganist | on full synchronised |
| 21:24.41 | Paganist | i will look at coda |
| 21:24.46 | DDRP | God bless the Debian project |
| 21:24.51 | ahammond | Paganist: just use nfs. and use a freebsd box for the server. |
| 21:24.57 | appaji | Kerr: It is possible that there is some wierd ARP override going on somewhere. |
| 21:25.02 | Paganist | ahammond: i can't do this |
| 21:25.03 | ic4rus | i've reconfigured dpkg-reconfigure.. i've entered ttyS0 and auto protocol.. nothing happende =( |
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| 21:25.07 | TTT_Travis | mmmmmk debians installed |
| 21:25.08 | ic4rus | happened* |
| 21:25.10 | ahammond | Paganist: why not? |
| 21:25.11 | iceman | PRAISE the debian project! |
| 21:25.17 | helix | ugh, how do you take screenshots on osx? |
| 21:25.17 | Paganist | ahammond: i can't tell you |
| 21:25.21 | Paganist | ahammond: sorry |
| 21:25.36 | ic4rus | do i have to restart linux? |
| 21:25.37 | ahammond | Paganist: ? |
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| 21:25.51 | appaji | Kerr: if this happens at roughly the same intervel every time, I think this could be a problem with another machine (or a switch in the network) answering ARP queries incorrectly. |
| 21:25.58 | ic4rus | brb |
| 21:26.07 | Paganist | ahammond: i have a contract here that tells i can't tell nothing |
| 21:26.23 | defsy | helix: interesting question here ;-) apple-shift-3 IIRC |
| 21:26.38 | helix | defsy: yeah, I'm just stuck on it at work, but I'm having an issue with debian's screen ;) |
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| 21:26.48 | ahammond | Paganist: ok. but probably you can give the technical reasons in a generic way |
| 21:26.59 | Paganist | ahammond: it is what i did |
| 21:27.12 | helix | it made a scary noise |
| 21:27.14 | ahammond | Paganist: ok, I'll rephrase... |
| 21:27.26 | Paganist | ahammond: i want a total redundancy |
| 21:27.27 | defsy | helix: uhoh ;S |
| 21:27.37 | ahammond | Paganist: 1) is this a research project or something intended for a production environment? |
| 21:27.45 | Paganist | ahammond: it is |
| 21:27.49 | Paganist | ahammond: definitly |
| 21:27.55 | ahammond | Paganist: which? |
| 21:28.03 | sinned | are there any pop3 servers for debian that support virtual users/domains? |
| 21:28.04 | asuffield | helix: it's hatching, run away |
| 21:28.08 | Paganist | ahammond: you never heard about it |
| 21:28.15 | helix | asuffield: help meeeee |
| 21:28.17 | Paganist | ahammond: it is called BlackWidow |
| 21:28.19 | ahammond | Paganist: production? or research? |
| 21:28.20 | helix | it did sound like hatching though |
| 21:28.25 | Paganist | ahammond: both |
| 21:28.32 | ahammond | Paganist: uh... |
| 21:28.35 | Paganist | ahammond: don't google, there is no site |
| 21:28.37 | ahammond | Paganist: you kinda have to pick one |
| 21:28.39 | asuffield | helix: I'm not coming near that thing, I've seen what they do to people |
| 21:28.53 | Paganist | ahammond: for now research, then prod |
| 21:28.55 | helix | asuffield: is that your way of saying you don't know how to make osx take a screenshot? |
| 21:28.56 | travisat | helix: did it go weeee or speeew |
| 21:29.00 | ahammond | Paganist: ok. |
| 21:29.06 | helix | it went like shreeee |
| 21:29.15 | travisat | ahhh thats its mating call |
| 21:29.18 | ahammond | Paganist: and the time allocated for going from research to production is... ? |
| 21:29.24 | simonrvn | helix: command-option-3. apple-alt-3 |
| 21:29.25 | helix | mac minis are so horny |
| 21:29.26 | Paganist | ahammond: well, i can't tell more and i am sorry of it |
| 21:29.35 | helix | simonrvn: ok. so where does it put them after that? |
| 21:29.39 | asuffield | "We have come to enslave your women and breed with your tuna casserole" |
| 21:29.52 | Paganist | ahammond: undefined, i have all the time i want |
| 21:30.00 | simonrvn | it's supposed to be a shutter click, but on some versions it sounds like crap. supposed to be in / |
| 21:30.01 | asuffield | should be the desktop, if you hit the right key |
| 21:30.03 | defsy | helix: on your Desktop |
| 21:30.10 | helix | oh |
| 21:30.12 | helix | ok |
| 21:30.19 | ahammond | Paganist: right. so, you have no budget and no real hardware. |
| 21:30.19 | Paganist | ahammond: "as long as it works in the end, whatever is the time it costs or the money it requires" |
| 21:30.21 | simonrvn | oh, they switched... |
| 21:30.24 | simonrvn | it* |
| 21:30.30 | Paganist | yes, i have hardware |
| 21:30.39 | travisat | you do? |
| 21:30.57 | Kerr | appaji: installing ethereal.. the only other box on my lan is a windows 98 machine, and i've never had this trouble before.. |
| 21:31.06 | helix | aha |
| 21:31.07 | helix | kthx |
| 21:31.15 | bassinboy | Anyone have experience with gpart? |
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| 21:31.31 | TTT_Travis | EHHH I installed debian and I'm on the apt config screen what do I select? cdrom, http, ftp, filesystem? |
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| 21:31.45 | travisat | http or ftp for net install |
| 21:31.46 | Commodore4eva | is there any version of openmosix for ubuntu around |
| 21:31.59 | dvs | TTT_Travis: If it's installed then you want ftp or http |
| 21:32.01 | travisat | cdrom if you downloaded the discs |
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| 21:32.13 | ahammond | Paganist: right. well, you should be able to get coda working in a couple of years, although the code hasn't really been maintained for about 2 years and had a couple of issues with it. |
| 21:32.25 | ahammond | Paganist: just so you understand the magnitude of what you're asking... |
| 21:32.29 | travisat | Commodore4eva: we don't know |
| 21:32.38 | Paganist | ahammond: ok, thank you |
| 21:32.46 | simonrvn | Commodore4eva: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:32.55 | Paganist | ahammond: i know, it is very huge, if i have to, i will code it myself |
| 21:32.58 | Commodore4eva | they banned me for no apparent reason |
| 21:33.06 | simonrvn | not our problem |
| 21:33.08 | Paganist | ahammond: or get it coded byb a team |
| 21:33.10 | Commodore4eva | i know |
| 21:33.23 | travisat | !list openmosix |
| 21:33.31 | travisat | !find openmosix |
| 21:33.32 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'openmosix' (3): kernel-patch-openmosix ;; openmosix ;; openmosixview. |
| 21:33.36 | helix | umm |
| 21:33.38 | travisat | its in debian |
| 21:33.42 | helix | simonrvn: it saves them as pdfs?? |
| 21:33.43 | Commodore4eva | damn |
| 21:33.49 | simonrvn | helix: yeh |
| 21:33.50 | travisat | Commodore4eva: use debian? |
| 21:33.53 | helix | haha, what |
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| 21:34.02 | helix | why in the... |
| 21:34.03 | Commodore4eva | i should but i like xorg better |
| 21:34.13 | simonrvn | the windowing system is vector based, with pdf format |
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| 21:34.24 | plusmehr | Does anyone know the translater babylon?? |
| 21:34.28 | Paganist | travisat: yes but openmosix sucks on shared memory |
| 21:34.32 | travisat | the current xorg isn't much different than xfree in debian |
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| 21:34.39 | Commodore4eva | it is |
| 21:34.41 | Paganist | travisat: maybe have a look at openSSI ? |
| 21:34.49 | Commodore4eva | you guy screwed my graphic card in xfree |
| 21:34.50 | Paganist | or so... |
| 21:34.52 | travisat | I don't use openmosix |
| 21:35.35 | Paganist | ahammond: Thanks a lot |
| 21:35.41 | Paganist | travisat: thank you too |
| 21:35.50 | Kerr | ahammond: ethereal is a gui app? are there any console alternatives? |
| 21:35.57 | stew | Kerr: tcpdump |
| 21:36.30 | simonrvn | oh yeh, ok, blame others for your problems... |
| 21:36.31 | bbrazil | Kerr: tethereal, tcpdump |
| 21:36.39 | Teemu_K | does someone know how i can make that esd server and client work without 1sec delay |
| 21:36.45 | dvs | simonrvn: works for me ;-) |
| 21:36.53 | simonrvn | @lart dvs |
| 21:36.56 | ahammond | Teemu_K: you can't |
| 21:37.02 | simonrvn | bah, lame lart |
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| 21:37.11 | streuner | haha |
| 21:37.23 | streuner | simonrvn: write a new one :-) |
| 21:37.26 | ahammond | Teemu_K: but you can get realtime audio using tools other than esd. |
| 21:37.29 | simonrvn | i shall |
| 21:37.34 | streuner | of course |
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| 21:37.42 | Teemu_K | ahammond: how so? :<, few days ago i got it workin without 1sec delay with openttd, but I have no clue how I did it, |
| 21:37.53 | Kerr | wow.. running tcpdump without any arguments is a wonderful way to eat bandwith |
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| 21:38.09 | Teemu_K | ahammond: mm, tell me how i can make my another computer sound server and then stream from another sound there |
| 21:38.11 | PerfDave | Teemu_K: Any reason why you want to use ESD instead of ALSA? |
| 21:38.18 | ahammond | Teemu_K: ok, to clarify, you can't _reliably_ get latency down in esd. |
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| 21:38.24 | Teemu_K | :/ |
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| 21:38.44 | ahammond | Teemu_K: ALSA (optionally with JACK) provides realtime |
| 21:39.04 | Teemu_K | you guys don't understand now what i want |
| 21:39.15 | ahammond | Teemu_K: oh, network sound? |
| 21:39.18 | streuner | PerfDave: "ESD just works (TM), why i should use ALSA or OSS then?" |
| 21:39.21 | Teemu_K | ahammond: yes |
| 21:39.58 | ahammond | Teemu_K: I think there's a capability for network stacking with Jack, but... |
| 21:39.59 | ic4rus | streuner: i'm back.. nothing happened after the dpkg-reconfigure =(( |
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| 21:40.11 | squirecd | PerfDave: Any suggestions as to what to do? You said to not reinstall the kernel... so how can I get my modules back for the wifi? |
| 21:40.19 | ahammond | Teemu_K: you might as well forget about going realtime if you want to plug into a network |
| 21:40.30 | baraba | can anybody samba? |
| 21:40.30 | streuner | ic4rus: ok, you don't need to reboot in linux, only when changing a kernel |
| 21:40.46 | PerfDave | squirecd: Do the modules actually exist on disk? |
| 21:40.51 | streuner | ic4rus: just use ImPS/2 now instead of 'Auto' |
| 21:40.53 | Teemu_K | that works kind nice with xmms (just because that doesn't matter even it have small delay), and with mplayer, (there i can adjust when sound comes), |
| 21:40.58 | ahammond | baraba: I'm always up for dancing with pretty girls. |
| 21:41.07 | ahammond | baraba: but I prefer tangos |
| 21:41.08 | squirecd | PerfDave: I don't think so. I can't find them... But they must have before I had the problem because it worked fine for months. |
| 21:41.17 | ic4rus | streuner even if my mouse is serial? can u write the command line again plz? |
| 21:41.18 | Teemu_K | ahammond: well then how can you explain that i got it working few days ago without delay :P |
| 21:41.27 | baraba | ahamond: trip to brasil we will take next time,now i need some help |
| 21:41.39 | PerfDave | Teemu_K: Quite possibly coincidence, or luck, rather than anything reliable. |
| 21:41.50 | ahammond | Teemu_K: realtime means it works without delay _every_time_ |
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| 21:41.57 | phati | ls |
| 21:41.58 | PerfDave | squirecd: Are you using Debian kernel-image packages? |
| 21:41.59 | phati | arhg |
| 21:41.59 | phati | ^ |
| 21:42.01 | phati | hi |
| 21:42.03 | phati | !de |
| 21:42.03 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 21:42.04 | squirecd | PerfDave: yes |
| 21:42.08 | streuner_ | ic4rus: yes, use /dev/ttyS0 as device and 'ImPS/2' for protocol in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:42.12 | PerfDave | squirecd: Then you can reinstall them without removing them. |
| 21:42.20 | Teemu_K | :/ |
| 21:42.35 | squirecd | PerfDave: but I don't see modules. Just image and headers. Should I reinstall the image & headers? |
| 21:42.41 | ahammond | Teemu_K: non-realtime means you get what you get. no guarantees. |
| 21:42.44 | nykheyn | hi. i must install NVIDIA drivers... i've the file .run, how to install it? |
| 21:42.51 | PerfDave | squirecd: Uhm, kernel-image contains modules. |
| 21:42.53 | PerfDave | nykheyn: DON'T |
| 21:42.58 | ic4rus | streuner_: # dpkg-reconfigure /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 21:43.11 | streuner | ic4rus: use an editor |
| 21:43.13 | PerfDave | !nvidia installer |
| 21:43.13 | dpkg | i heard nvidia installer is a script available from nvidia.com which installs nvidia drivers for you. However, it overwrites files that apt owns, which can get overwritten themselves when X is upgraded, leading to random breakage. Ask me about "nvidia-howto" or just "nvidia" |
| 21:43.17 | PerfDave | nykheyn: ^^ |
| 21:43.21 | ic4rus | streuner_: vi? |
| 21:43.34 | streuner | ic4rus: yes or try nano |
| 21:43.44 | Teemu_K | :U |
| 21:43.46 | Teemu_K | :I |
| 21:43.50 | ic4rus | ok.. 1 sec |
| 21:43.50 | squirecd | PerfDave: I've been using 2.6.8. I installed 2.6.11 via apt-get (and the headers) and loaded that up just a few minutes ago and got the same problem. With a fresh new install of a more recent kernel... |
| 21:43.52 | nykheyn | nvidia |
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| 21:43.59 | PerfDave | nykheyn: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:44.03 | nykheyn | ok |
| 21:44.17 | PerfDave | squirecd: You don't need the kernel-headers driver unless you're compiling third-party drivers. |
| 21:44.21 | ahammond | Teemu_K: if what you want is to have your mp3 collection on one computer and listen to it on others... |
| 21:44.28 | ahammond | Teemu_K: that's an easier problem to solve. |
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| 21:44.37 | squirecd | PerfDave: Oh... well in either case.. It didn't work with the fresh new 2.6.11 install |
| 21:44.48 | PerfDave | squirecd: You're not using ndiswrapper or anything like that, are you? |
| 21:44.55 | squirecd | PerfDave: no |
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| 21:45.10 | TuxMeister | hy there people! |
| 21:45.10 | S4nD3r_ | A friend lost GRUB from his HD. Than, I got to recover, but, when I use grub commmand line (root (hd0,6)), find vmlinuz, show that file not found... How to solve it?? |
| 21:45.16 | ic4rus | streuner_: i've changed the config and saved.. ':wq' |
| 21:45.20 | squirecd | The modules don't exist. I checked /lib/2611/drivers/net/wireless and there's nothing. I looked all over the modules folders... no prism drivers (except prism54 which I don't need) |
| 21:45.23 | PerfDave | squirecd: Did you try booting into the freshly-installed 2.6.11, and running modprobe to load the driver manually? |
| 21:45.32 | streuner | ic4rus: restart your x-server |
| 21:45.38 | squirecd | PerfDave: that's the thing... the driver didn't exist in the fresh install. It just wasn't there |
| 21:45.41 | TuxMeister | how could i put a new init process inside my init scripts? |
| 21:45.41 | PerfDave | squirecd: Maybe they're not included with the 2.6.11 kernel-image |
| 21:45.50 | PerfDave | TuxMeister: What do you mean? |
| 21:45.57 | squirecd | PerfDave: I used to have 2.6.11 a while back. It had it then. |
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| 21:46.20 | ic4rus | streuner: logout and login again? |
| 21:46.22 | ahammond | TuxMeister: you want to run something when you boot your computer? |
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| 21:46.31 | TuxMeister | PerfDave, i whant to change my login manager |
| 21:46.37 | streuner | ic4rus: how did you start X? |
| 21:46.38 | PerfDave | TuxMeister: So install a new one. |
| 21:46.46 | squirecd | Any ideas Perf? |
| 21:46.56 | ic4rus | streuner: it's starts auto with linux |
| 21:47.00 | ahammond | TuxMeister: which login manager? text or x? |
| 21:47.01 | TuxMeister | yep, allready installed, but it doesn't run instead of xdm |
| 21:47.09 | streuner | ic4rus: skill -c xdm |
| 21:47.11 | luulis_ | hi, how could I get Debian recognise my external USB DVD-writer? |
| 21:47.13 | PerfDave | TuxMeister: What did you install, how did you install it? |
| 21:47.15 | TuxMeister | ahammond, X one, Entrance |
| 21:47.23 | PerfDave | squirecd: You're running Sid? |
| 21:47.26 | ic4rus | streuner: and to start it again? |
| 21:47.31 | TuxMeister | PerfDave, Entrance, built over CVS |
| 21:47.31 | appaji | TuxMeister: what is in /etc/X11/default-display-manager? |
| 21:47.33 | squirecd | PerfDave: Unstable |
| 21:47.33 | ahammond | TuxMeister: ah. well, the easiest way is to uninstall the one you don't want running. :) |
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| 21:47.39 | PerfDave | squirecd: Sid is Unstable. |
| 21:47.46 | squirecd | PerfDave: Then, yes |
| 21:47.46 | streuner | ic4rus: xdm, it should by itself, IIRC |
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| 21:47.54 | ic4rus | streuner: ok.. brb |
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| 21:47.58 | marska | Hello.. Trying to install Debian on a Centrino laptop, have not had any success getting it to connect through my wireless card to access apt-get. Any ideas how I may get around the problem? FYI, I do not have access to a ethernet cable or the like. |
| 21:48.02 | TuxMeister | ahammond, yeah, but then no x server will run on boot |
| 21:48.04 | PerfDave | TuxMeister: If you're not using a Debian package, it won't use the Debian system for selecting a login manager. |
| 21:48.17 | PerfDave | TuxMeister: Did you install it into /usr/local ? |
| 21:48.24 | TuxMeister | yep |
| 21:48.34 | PerfDave | squirecd: Then you're probably not running the same version of the kernel-image-2.6.11 package you were previously. |
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| 21:48.42 | TuxMeister | PerfDave, but entrace has a init script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 21:48.50 | ahammond | TuxMeister: well... if you're not going to use the package manager, you might as well go with slackware |
| 21:48.51 | squirecd | PerfDave: ...ok. So what do I do? |
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| 21:49.18 | PerfDave | squirecd: Dunno. Try filing a bug against your kernel-image package, saying that the driver you want is no longer there? |
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| 21:49.24 | TuxMeister | ahammond, man, i just wanna see entrance instead of the ugly xdm, i love the spiral |
| 21:49.36 | PerfDave | TuxMeister: It probably shouldn't. |
| 21:49.42 | squirecd | PerfDave: It worked with 2.6.11 when I had that a while back. It worked with 2.6.8 also. And 2.4.27. I've still got the 2.6.8 & 2.4.27 kernels installed and it doesn't work those. And it won't work with the new install of 2.6.11 either... |
| 21:49.47 | marska | Tux: Consider Windows? |
| 21:49.58 | PerfDave | TuxMeister: You'll want to look into update-alternatives, I expect. |
| 21:50.00 | TuxMeister | marska, for me??? |
| 21:50.01 | ic4rus | streuner: nothing happens when i use skill -c xdm |
| 21:50.09 | marska | Tux: Yes |
| 21:50.15 | streuner | ic4rus: sarge? |
| 21:50.23 | marska | Tux: If you like pretty lights and all that, maybe. |
| 21:50.30 | TuxMeister | marska, let's make as you didn't wrote that |
| 21:50.33 | PerfDave | marska: If you're talking to somebody, type their full /nick please, it makes it a lot easier to follow conversation. |
| 21:50.37 | ic4rus | streuner: i dunno.. i'm using the unstable version |
| 21:50.44 | PerfDave | squirecd: I don't know what you've done to remove the prism modules you want from *every* kernel you've got installed, to be honest. |
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| 21:51.07 | streuner | ic4rus: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:51.13 | ahammond | TuxMeister: windows does do "pretty" fairly well. |
| 21:51.16 | streuner | ic4rus: /msg dpkg xsession |
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| 21:51.19 | TuxMeister | marska, if your xdm's writer, sorry, but it's ugly, and gets enormous with my screen res |
| 21:51.22 | ahammond | TuxMeister: but not as well as evolution. |
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| 21:51.36 | streuner | ic4rus: just throw desktop-manager out |
| 21:51.36 | w3rn3r | hi @ all! |
| 21:51.39 | squirecd | PerfDave: The card works with knoppix and all the live distros also. But I can't imagine how I removed the modules from all of the kernels... There's just no way. I've never seen linux do this to me in 6 years |
| 21:51.40 | PerfDave | squirecd: FWIW, there are no prism modules in my 2.4.27 kernel-image's modules directory. |
| 21:51.48 | ahammond | TuxMeister: er... crap, what's that e.... desktop manager called anyway? :) |
| 21:51.52 | ic4rus | just close gnome? |
| 21:52.00 | TuxMeister | ahammond, seems like you whant less linux users around here. beauty and linux is completly compatible... EFL exists |
| 21:52.13 | FieldySnuts | most wireless card modules are binary firmware anyway, most likely wouldn't come with a debian kernel (thank god) |
| 21:52.22 | streuner | ic4rus: in that case? use 'skill -c gdm' |
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| 21:52.34 | ic4rus | ok.. :D brb |
| 21:52.39 | ahammond | TuxMeister: nah, I want more serious linux users. the guys who want to bolt a big ass wing on their ricer I can do without. |
| 21:52.42 | squirecd | i have no idea what's going on with this thing |
| 21:52.45 | w3rn3r | hello! I need help, i want to have a one-diskette-linux with a pcture-viewer for console... can someone help me? |
| 21:52.55 | squirecd | Doesn't the hermes driver support prism2? |
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| 21:53.04 | FieldySnuts | no idea |
| 21:53.06 | ahammond | TuxMeister: hence the debian channel, not the gentoo one. |
| 21:53.12 | streuner | w3rn3r: ascii-pr0n? |
| 21:53.13 | FieldySnuts | i long ago gave up with wireless in linux, pain in the ass |
| 21:53.27 | cire | I used "readpst -k outlook.pst" to extract the pst-file. But, how do I get it into kmail, now? |
| 21:53.28 | PerfDave | squirecd: Oh, is the driver called "hermes"? |
| 21:53.31 | TuxMeister | ahammond, i'm not discussing about what distro, window or login manager to use |
| 21:53.34 | w3rn3r | @streuner, no not real |
| 21:53.39 | squirecd | PerfDave: I think it may be. Yes. |
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| 21:53.50 | PerfDave | squirecd: It's important to be sure. |
| 21:53.58 | squirecd | and I've that mod in every kernel /lib tree |
| 21:54.00 | travisat | wireless works just fine if you have some ioto of what you are doing |
| 21:54.03 | squirecd | But i can't insert it |
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| 21:54.11 | PerfDave | squirecd: Why can't you insert it? what error do you get? |
| 21:54.29 | FieldySnuts | travisat: which isn't most users |
| 21:54.34 | ahammond | TuxMeister: yeah, but by doing a random binary build and assuming it'll "just work" you clearly don't get the point of running debian. either find a package that does what you want or build one. |
| 21:54.44 | S4nD3r_ | please |
| 21:54.50 | FieldySnuts | please what? |
| 21:54.56 | streuner | w3rn3r: yes, but don't /msg me unless you ask for, thanks. |
| 21:54.56 | FieldySnuts | apt: please? |
| 21:54.58 | apt | Do I look like an information bitch, fieldysnuts? |
| 21:54.59 | travisat | FieldySnuts: true wireless should be easier. |
| 21:55.00 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 21:55.01 | ahammond | TuxMeister: if you want to do generic binary builds, go with slack. :) |
| 21:55.12 | PerfDave | ahammond: Uhm, there's nothing wrong with compiling stuff into /usr/local that isn't packaged for Debian, and there's nothing wrong with using a WM that looks prettier than xdm. |
| 21:55.13 | squirecd | PerfDave: I'm on 2.6.8 and insmod hermes.ko says: insmod: error inserting 'hermes.ko': -1 file exists |
| 21:55.17 | FieldySnuts | travisat: i could care less, insecure by it's nature anyway |
| 21:55.35 | TuxMeister | ahammond, that's not the point... the file i said is there, and entrance runs if you execute it by hand... i just whant to do that automaticly, and bring it over instead of xdm |
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| 21:55.46 | PerfDave | squirecd: What about "modprobe hermes"? |
| 21:55.52 | soukihei | what is a good app to use to sync my sony clie pda with my debian box (via usb) ?? |
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| 21:56.02 | squirecd | PerfDave: that does nothing. Just returns me to prompt. |
| 21:56.04 | Teemu_K | ahammond: err, when I execute esddsp -m --server=host:port ./software |
| 21:56.09 | Teemu_K | sound comes instantly |
| 21:56.10 | Teemu_K | :I |
| 21:56.12 | PerfDave | squirecd: Does hermes show up in lsmod after that? |
| 21:56.14 | ahammond | TuxMeister: ok, that's easy to solve |
| 21:56.15 | Teemu_K | but not without -m |
| 21:56.16 | w3rn3r | streuner: yeah, can u help me with this problem? |
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| 21:56.25 | squirecd | PerfDave: yes |
| 21:56.26 | marska | Anyone have expierence with the IPW2100? |
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| 21:56.37 | squirecd | PerfDave: However, the card still doesn't work. |
| 21:56.40 | ahammond | TuxMeister: delete the /etc/rc*/S*xdm links |
| 21:56.43 | streuner | w3rn3r: you are in the wrong channel |
| 21:56.43 | travisat | !ipw2100 |
| 21:56.44 | dpkg | hmm... ipw2100 is ipw2100.sourceforge.com, find your intel wireless pro driver there. This driver doesn't work with merely the kernel-headers-* package; it wants the Makefile from the full source tree. Have fun building a custom kernel. ipw2100-source package in sarge/sid, or #ipw2100 |
| 21:56.46 | simonrvn | ffs, what's with the root IRCers today... |
| 21:56.49 | PerfDave | squirecd: Does the interface show up in "ifconfig -a" now? |
| 21:56.56 | squirecd | PerfDave: No |
| 21:56.57 | ahammond | TuxMeister: and put in appropriate S links for your login manager |
| 21:57.01 | w3rn3r | streuner: where should i go? |
| 21:57.04 | PerfDave | squirecd: Then that module isn't relevant for your card. |
| 21:57.15 | squirecd | :( |
| 21:57.23 | ahammond | Teemu_K: sorry... there was a question there? |
| 21:57.38 | PerfDave | squirecd: You might also want to look in /var/log/messages to see what it said when you inserted the module. |
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| 21:57.47 | agutierr | hi all: Has someone be able to synchronize an ipaq with evolution ? |
| 21:57.47 | squirecd | What about the orinoco drivers? |
| 21:58.05 | PerfDave | squirecd: But for general reference, use modprobe instead of insmod. |
| 21:58.11 | streuner | w3rn3r: you said you need a distro to fit on one floppy-disc, right? |
| 21:58.15 | PerfDave | squirecd: No idea! Google for your card, find out what driver it needs. |
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| 21:58.22 | w3rn3r | streuner: yes |
| 21:58.22 | PerfDave | squirecd: Does the card show up in dmesg at all? |
| 21:58.26 | ahammond | TuxMeister: or, better still, move the /etc/init.d/xdm to something else and link that name to your new init script name. |
| 21:58.27 | Teemu_K | ahammond: err, nope, but you said that isn't possible, and still it works |
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| 21:58.46 | TuxMeister | ok... |
| 21:58.50 | ahammond | Teemu_K: no, I said it wasn't _reliably_ possible. |
| 21:58.52 | streuner | w3rn3r: there are several router distros, just google |
| 21:58.53 | beans | Can I control where apt-get -d downloads to? |
| 21:58.57 | ahammond | Teemu_K: there's a pretty big difference there. |
| 21:59.01 | squirecd | PerfDave: dmesg says nothing of it |
| 21:59.08 | Teemu_K | ahammond: ok :P, |
| 21:59.14 | PerfDave | squirecd: Fair enough. Google, find out what the right driver is, modprobei t, see if that works. |
| 21:59.19 | squirecd | k |
| 21:59.20 | w3rn3r | streuner: i've found one, but i don't know how to install a pic-viewer --> http://chris.silmor.de/hal91/index_ger.html |
| 21:59.48 | PerfDave | cacaview is a good console-mode picture viewer. |
| 21:59.51 | TuxMeister | ahammond, ok, now i'll try it, loads of thank u's |
| 21:59.59 | streuner | w3rn3r: You need X-server in order to use that feature |
| 22:00.01 | ahammond | Teemu_K: see... one of the guys in this channel could concievably get lucky and score a really hot chick... but somehow I doubt that everyone here can _reliably_ score really hot chicks... |
| 22:00.05 | w3rn3r | thx @ perfdave |
| 22:00.10 | PerfDave | !thx |
| 22:00.11 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 22:00.15 | squirecd | pcnet_cs.o!! |
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| 22:00.26 | Teemu_K | ahammond: okok :P |
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| 22:00.38 | streuner | !info cacaview |
| 22:00.38 | Teemu_K | must check that damn work from dictionary -> |
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| 22:00.58 | TTT_Travis | hmmm i think on that apt config thing I was supposed to select cd rom |
| 22:01.01 | streuner | damn, that package isn't in debian |
| 22:01.08 | travisat | !find cacaview |
| 22:01.09 | TTT_Travis | awell just have to wait for it to download all the packages |
| 22:01.10 | linoleum | hello , I got a problem : my print doesn't work, I dont know what to do |
| 22:01.14 | ic4rus | streuner: i'm back again.. no good news.. =((( |
| 22:01.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cacaview' (1): (/usr/bin/cacaview) in utils/caca-utils. |
| 22:01.44 | ahammond | linoleum: you could start by telling us what kind of printer it is, and what you've already tried... |
| 22:01.44 | squirecd | PerfDave: I did modprobe pcnet_cs and lsmod doesn't show that it's inserted. |
| 22:01.53 | PerfDave | squirecd: What did modprobe say? |
| 22:02.10 | streuner | ic4rus: ok, just switch to ttyS1 |
| 22:02.18 | squirecd | PerfDave: nothing, returned to prompt |
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| 22:02.38 | PerfDave | squirecd: What command did you type, exactly? |
| 22:02.48 | squirecd | modprobe -a pcnet_cs |
| 22:02.49 | linoleum | ok , it is the HP deskjet 940c , I did'nt do nothing, I check the gnome config , but it deosn't detect the print |
| 22:02.55 | ic4rus | streuner: ok.. but just one thing.. in the file have 2 Generic mouses.. maybe is there some incompatibility? |
| 22:03.00 | squirecd | PerfDave: I did modprobe pcnet_cs and now it's in lsmod. |
| 22:03.11 | ahammond | linoleum: and how is your printer connected? serial? USB? network? |
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| 22:03.16 | Gumby | has anyone noticed strange behavior with mozilla-firefox crashing when the latest flash plugin is installed? |
| 22:03.26 | FieldySnuts | it's flash, no surprise |
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| 22:03.36 | linoleum | ahammond, it is connected by serial |
| 22:03.44 | Gumby | this just started happening though. never been an issue before. |
| 22:03.51 | PerfDave | squirecd: Good. |
| 22:03.57 | Gumby | and to my knowledge there havnt been any updates |
| 22:04.07 | streuner_ | ic4rus: /j #flood |
| 22:04.13 | squirecd | PerfDave: but the card is still gone. iwconfig says nothing and neither does ifconfig -a |
| 22:04.23 | PerfDave | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/msg00625.html # DFSG pwns GPL |
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| 22:05.01 | PerfDave | squirecd: The module is loaded but the card is not shown in ifconfig? Then again, it's not the right module for your card. |
| 22:05.07 | squirecd | dammit |
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| 22:05.48 | PerfDave | squirecd: Are you sure the card is still working at all? |
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| 22:06.22 | squirecd | PerfDave: I'm positive. It works with knoppix |
| 22:06.27 | bazz | what package(s) do i need to install to get qt programs to look nice (like decent themes so they don't look like motif apps). i'm running testing, but i don't have any kde stuff installed, just the qt libs and qtconfig, but changing things in qt config doesn't really seem to change much |
| 22:06.31 | nykheyn | Ensure you have main contrib non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list since |
| 22:06.31 | nykheyn | the nvidia drivers are in non-free and some of the helpers are in contrib. |
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| 22:06.36 | PerfDave | squirecd: So use "lsmod" in Knoppix to see what driver it uses :) |
| 22:06.39 | nykheyn | what's themeaning? |
| 22:06.47 | travisat | squirecd: when you plug it in does it register in dmesg? you might not have the pcmcia driver loaded |
| 22:06.52 | beans | Can I control where apt-get -d downloads to? |
| 22:07.16 | PerfDave | nykheyn: It means that you have to add the "contrib" and "non-free" repositories to your APT sources. |
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| 22:07.33 | PerfDave | travisat: Shouldn't modprobe resolve that dependency? |
| 22:07.41 | travisat | PerfDave: I dunno |
| 22:07.43 | simonrvn | modprobe on 2.6 does |
| 22:07.46 | simonrvn | 2.4 too |
| 22:07.51 | FieldySnuts | bet he's using insmod |
| 22:07.53 | simonrvn | insmod won't |
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| 22:08.11 | Rawplayer | is anyone of you guys using freebsd? |
| 22:08.22 | marska | FreeBSD? Wats tat? |
| 22:08.24 | Rawplayer | yes i know that i ask it in debian |
| 22:08.25 | TTT_Travis | I tried FreeBSD but my disk was old and scratched |
| 22:08.27 | Crasp | not me *rolls eyes* |
| 22:08.29 | PerfDave | Rawplayer: If we did, we might be in #freebsd ;) |
| 22:08.38 | PerfDave | Rawplayer: I used to run FreeBSD but I switched to Debian. |
| 22:08.51 | Crasp | there is something like debian-freebsd if i remember correctly :) |
| 22:08.55 | Rawplayer | do you know where i can find driver modules?:) |
| 22:09.01 | Rawplayer | i cant into x windows hehe |
| 22:09.06 | Rawplayer | so i cant browse |
| 22:09.10 | PerfDave | Rawplayer: Ask #freebsd |
| 22:09.13 | FieldySnuts | you should ask a freebsd channel, we aren't and simply can't help you |
| 22:09.17 | Rawplayer | and in freebsd channel there are only weenies online |
| 22:09.22 | FieldySnuts | and no that fact doesn't change if they are idle or weenies. |
| 22:09.32 | marska | Weenies? |
| 22:09.35 | PerfDave | Rawplayer: Failure of #freebsd to support FreeBSD doesn't mean it becomes Debian's job. |
| 22:09.36 | Rawplayer | okay :p |
| 22:09.50 | PerfDave | Rawplayer: Try a FreeBSD mailing list or something. |
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| 22:09.55 | PerfDave | !not supporting FreeBSD |
| 22:09.57 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support FreeBSD too. Try #FreeBSD or donating money to charity. |
| 22:10.35 | travisat | bsd is dead. long live bsd |
| 22:10.55 | jethro | how bout gnu/kfreebsd debian ? |
| 22:11.26 | bazz | someone's gotta know about qt themes here :) |
| 22:11.32 | dondelelcaro | jethro: you'd be pretty hard pressed to be using kfreebsd, and asking questions here |
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| 22:12.12 | jethro | dondelelcaro: I don't get "hard press", being french, lacking vocabulary, and being drunk too |
| 22:12.30 | streuner_ | jethro: go to bed |
| 22:13.01 | jethro | streuner_: nah I need to stay awake for a while, or else, I ll have a hangover tomorrow morning |
| 22:13.14 | itsbruce | FieldySnuts: Careful. Don't choke on your freedom fries. |
| 22:13.18 | FieldySnuts | hah |
| 22:13.30 | ahammond | jethro: that's why you pour a shot before you go to bed. |
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| 22:13.49 | jethro | no way |
| 22:13.51 | ahammond | jethro: makes taking the asprin so much easier |
| 22:14.08 | dondelelcaro | asprin? who needs asprin? the way to cure a hangover is to drink more. |
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| 22:14.14 | jethro | dondelelcaro: indeed |
| 22:14.36 | lovebug | how do I reconfigure the user that recieves roots mail? |
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| 22:14.37 | ahammond | itsbruce: ironically, you're more likely to die choking on freedom fries than at the hands of terrorists. |
| 22:14.46 | jethro | but I can't drink tomorrow morning, since I have a meeting with the board of the company I m contracting with at the moment :D |
| 22:14.53 | streuner_ | jethro: the body needs more water, that's all, don't listen to dondelelcaro :-) |
| 22:15.03 | jonz | grr i've added "set nocindent" to /etc/share/vim/vimrc and the thing insists on indenting my c code |
| 22:15.09 | setog3 | hello * |
| 22:15.09 | jethro | heh |
| 22:15.11 | dondelelcaro | water is EEEVIL. Beer is as close as I get to water. |
| 22:15.28 | setog3 | jonz, set noindent |
| 22:15.29 | jethro | dondelelcaro: still you didn't explained the "hard pressed" :) |
| 22:15.34 | itsbruce | ahammond: I don't eat fries, so I question your logic |
| 22:15.37 | jethro | explain even |
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| 22:16.07 | jonz | you mean set noautoindent |
| 22:16.09 | jonz | and i did that too |
| 22:16.19 | dondelelcaro | jethro: unlikely to occur, difficult to cause to happen, like trying to squeeze wine out of a cheeze ball. |
| 22:16.21 | PerfDave | ahammond: See? The French are in league with Al Q'aeda, bringing about the deaths of innocent Americans with their sinister fries! :) |
| 22:16.22 | itsbruce | Unless a terrorist attacks me with freedom fries and force feeds them to me |
| 22:16.34 | ahammond | PerfDave: it must be so. |
| 22:16.48 | jethro | dondelelcaro: thanks :p |
| 22:16.56 | jethro | think I got the point |
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| 22:17.22 | ack` | is it possible to put an image in place of the text i see when my system is booting up? |
| 22:17.33 | dondelelcaro | ack`: yes... but there's little point to it |
| 22:17.34 | travisat | ack`: yes |
| 22:17.39 | ahammond | itsbruce: well... considering how flexible the definition of terrorist is, I'm certain that's a viable possibility. |
| 22:17.45 | Ronin | ack`: apparenlty but who boots up that often? |
| 22:17.54 | ack` | well |
| 22:17.55 | ahammond | itsbruce: er... or is that "evildoooooer" |
| 22:18.03 | itsbruce | ahammond: Well, anybody who tries to choke me to death with fries counts |
| 22:18.09 | ack` | im constantly switching back and forth between windows and linux |
| 22:18.15 | ack` | so i guess you would say i do |
| 22:18.19 | ack` | :P |
| 22:18.22 | lovebug | ack`: the messages you see at boot can be useful |
| 22:18.33 | itsbruce | ahammond: the word is pronounced "turrrst" |
| 22:18.34 | ack` | isnt that what dmesg is for? |
| 22:18.36 | lovebug | if system hang or break |
| 22:18.36 | Ronin | especially the error ones |
| 22:18.50 | ahammond | ack`: yeah, get yourself a poster, some scissors and some tape... |
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| 22:18.57 | ack` | lol |
| 22:19.11 | simonrvn | ahammond: hehe |
| 22:19.14 | ack` | ahammond, how do i see my screen then? |
| 22:19.18 | ack` | rotf |
| 22:19.24 | zahod | ack`, /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 22:19.25 | simonrvn | that's why you make it a flap |
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| 22:19.34 | ack` | ahh nice |
| 22:19.36 | ahammond | ack`: well... you didn't mention that requirement. how do you expect good answers when you ask such bad questions? |
| 22:19.38 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 22:20.07 | ack` | no question is a bad question if your willing to learn :P |
| 22:20.23 | Kerr | does anyone know what the Acer TM2203 series laptops are like for debian compatiability? |
| 22:20.38 | ahammond | itsbruce: funny... turrrst? and spelled "liberal"? |
| 22:21.29 | simonrvn | sometimes it sounds like "terra-ist". like anti-terra... sure is..</politics> |
| 22:21.36 | ack` | so basically it might not be a good idea to put an image during boot messages? |
| 22:21.59 | itsbruce | ack': if you use framebuffer, you can have both an image and the text |
| 22:22.00 | hackeron | is there anything like prustat for dtrace on linux? (http://users.tpg.com.au/adsln4yb/DTrace/prustat_example.txt) |
| 22:22.04 | simonrvn | up to you really... but most of us here don't see the point |
| 22:22.21 | lovebug | how do I reconfigure which user recieves roots mail? |
| 22:22.38 | ack` | itsbruce, i use framebuffer yes |
| 22:22.39 | itsbruce | ack': istr that one distro does a graphical boot up with the option of the boot messages appearing in a window |
| 22:22.51 | itsbruce | Maybe mandrake. |
| 22:22.56 | ack` | ack no |
| 22:23.07 | ack` | ill stick with debian thnx |
| 22:23.08 | ahammond | itsbruce: he he he, used a bootimage from http://www.tubgirl.com/ to convince people not to reboot my servers once... |
| 22:23.23 | itsbruce | lovebug: which mta you using? |
| 22:23.26 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 22:23.32 | FieldySnuts | DON'T go there |
| 22:23.40 | FieldySnuts | fuck I was about to eat too |
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| 22:23.40 | lovebug | itsbruce: exim4 |
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| 22:23.59 | petemc | lovebug: /etc/aliases |
| 22:23.59 | lovebug | itsbruce: ok, in the conf |
| 22:24.05 | itsbruce | lovebug: just edit /etc/aliases |
| 22:24.08 | lord_of_scorn | Good night |
| 22:24.09 | lovebug | ahh |
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| 22:24.12 | ahammond | FieldySnuts: yeah, works pretty good, doesn't it/ |
| 22:24.12 | lovebug | thanks |
| 22:24.17 | FieldySnuts | ... die |
| 22:24.28 | itsbruce | You don't even need to restart or hup exim |
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| 22:24.45 | ahammond | FieldySnuts: best way to train windows admins not to reboot. |
| 22:24.58 | DiegoElias | i have bind9 installed....my resolv.conf is using search mydomain.com and nameserver myip....when i try to ping any domain that i have in the bind, this works...domain that arent dont work...what i need to do ? |
| 22:25.16 | petemc | ahammond: its not funny, in any capacity |
| 22:25.16 | deadcat | whats a good resolution to use for a digi cam? i have 2480, 1600, 1024, 680 |
| 22:25.20 | ahammond | FieldySnuts: cost me an expensive rack keyboard tho. vomit is hard on keyboards |
| 22:25.33 | FieldySnuts | deadcat: higest you can, unless you're postive you need a lower one |
| 22:25.48 | deadcat | DiegoElias: add another dns server to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:26.01 | ahammond | petemc: yeah, my manager at the time said the same thing |
| 22:26.10 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: 2048 is 1MB each. i only have 128MB CF card |
| 22:26.17 | FieldySnuts | well there ya go heh |
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| 22:26.35 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: HAHAHA damn |
| 22:26.43 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: ni-ice |
| 22:26.50 | furrywolf | deadcat: higher resolutions are bad! if you want the best picture possible, use a very low resolution. Well hell, I'm in a helpful mood, I'll trade you my camera... it does 320x240 pixel images, so you know they'll be the best you can get. send me yours and I'll get it in the mail ASAP! |
| 22:26.56 | FieldySnuts | paid a lot but my god it's worth it |
| 22:27.03 | FieldySnuts | pry getting into pro photography over it |
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| 22:27.11 | DiegoElias | deadcat: i cant use just my dns ? |
| 22:27.16 | ahammond | furrywolf: I've got the nice new leica 5mp. it's the size of my palm. |
| 22:27.18 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: what you do with those pic so big? i mean my monitor is at 1280x1024, so a 2040 image is way too big |
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| 22:27.33 | agroker | what is this message:"kernel: i810_audio: drain_dac, dma timeout?" |
| 22:27.40 | deadcat | DiegoElias: you can setup your dns to search somewhese else if it cant find what you request i guess |
| 22:27.44 | FieldySnuts | deadcat: print them or use them in graphics |
| 22:28.02 | FieldySnuts | olympus makes damn good stuff |
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| 22:28.05 | furrywolf | if you want to print them, you need lots of pixels. if you want to just use a small area of the image, you need high resolution. |
| 22:28.06 | cafuego | Coz it doesn't work if I take the tape off |
| 22:28.07 | deadcat | furrywolf: ok. mailed. |
| 22:28.14 | FieldySnuts | my dad still has his OM-1 (OM1?) which was the first camera they ever made |
| 22:28.25 | FieldySnuts | never failed him to this day |
| 22:28.29 | bobi | hi everybody |
| 22:28.30 | itsbruce | DiegoElias: you need to configure bind to look to the root servers or forward to your isp servers for domains it isn't authoritative for |
| 22:28.32 | furrywolf | fieldy: I've been quite happy with my olympus d-550... only 3mp, but takes damn sharp photos. |
| 22:28.43 | itsbruce | Putting extra servers in resolv.conf will *not* work |
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| 22:28.47 | minimec | Hi. Is there someone who has some experience with the gnome-obex-server? |
| 22:28.49 | FieldySnuts | 3 - 5 is more than most people need, i'm just a lunatic and like it on the rediculous scale |
| 22:28.54 | furrywolf | dammit, brb, phone |
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| 22:29.10 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Us professionals need the best theyc an afford. |
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| 22:29.14 | deadcat | FieldySnuts: most of the image will be for my webpage gallery, so i dont really want to convert them back down to 1024 |
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| 22:29.25 | lyndon | debian woody, apache not reloading after a "apache reload" when php_module is loaded ne ideas as no logs ? |
| 22:29.39 | FieldySnuts | deadcat: well you always want to convert down a bit, you get the highest quality. but converting down from something a lot higher is just pointless |
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| 22:30.02 | deadcat | lyndon: dpkg-reconfigure apache maybe? |
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| 22:30.14 | lyndon | deadcat, i'll give it a go ta |
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| 22:30.20 | cafuego | deadcat: Probably take pix at 1600x1220 and downsize a bit, that way in a decent app you get downsampling. |
| 22:30.27 | sergik | Hallo people |
| 22:30.30 | cafuego | s/20/00 |
| 22:30.33 | deadcat | cafuego: ok |
| 22:30.36 | minimec | I installed a bluetooth stick and almost everything is working well. The only thing is, that I can't push some files from my Ericsson T610 to the Computer. |
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| 22:31.01 | deadcat | cafuego: same here (= |
| 22:31.01 | cafuego | finally got the MD drive |
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| 22:31.37 | minimec | I'm not shure, if the gnome-obex-server is working well. |
| 22:31.59 | FieldySnuts | craziest cam i ever played with was some canon 11.0 MP... now that's just crazy. |
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| 22:32.09 | FieldySnuts | as was the price |
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| 22:33.51 | agroker | what is this message:"kernel: i810_audio: drain_dac, dma timeout?" |
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| 22:33.52 | cafuego | Craziest I ever used was an actual SLR with a ccd insert, hooked up to a car battery and a raid workstation for storage <heh> |
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| 22:34.05 | cafuego | That's just about 10 years ago now, though. |
| 22:34.17 | revenger1 | does anyone know about jackd? I just don't get it work.. jackd is running but no client is able to connect |
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| 22:35.08 | hackeron | minimec: s/shure/sure |
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| 22:36.07 | minimec | hackeron: You're right. As you can imagine, english is not my first language. :-) |
| 22:36.29 | Antonio` | minimec, what is your "first" language? |
| 22:36.38 | jonz | C |
| 22:36.46 | Antonio` | lol |
| 22:37.12 | dvs | jonz: printf("Funny guy\ |
| 22:37.21 | jonz | n"); |
| 22:37.39 | minimec | Antonio`:I come from Switzerland. So I would say 'swiss german' :-) |
| 22:37.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:38.03 | Guerin | my german teacher in highschool was from switzerland |
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| 22:38.18 | Guerin | some exchange students from berlin came, and had trouble understanding us :) |
| 22:38.38 | minimec | Guerin: Did he teach you a lot ? |
| 22:38.39 | Antonio` | minimec, there are also two other languages spoken in "switzerland" |
| 22:39.09 | Guerin | minimec: not a lot... he did teach us hauptdeutsch, but i think it was the pronunciation which did us in |
| 22:39.17 | itsbruce | Schweizzer Deutsch |
| 22:39.55 | RichiH | itsbruce: schwizer duetsch |
| 22:40.02 | RichiH | or schwiezer |
| 22:40.14 | minimec | Antonio`: Yeah. Well there are four languages. German, French, Italian and Romatsch, wich is an very old language spoken by maybe 0.6 % of the people in Switzerland |
| 22:40.14 | cafuego | Guerin: You were taught weird pronounciation rather than scary, pointy pronounciation? |
| 22:40.25 | Antonio` | dütsch |
| 22:40.28 | itsbruce | RichiH: depends whether you're Swiss or German |
| 22:40.33 | Antonio` | lemme change the charset |
| 22:40.37 | RichiH | itsbruce: german |
| 22:40.39 | simonrvn | i saw it |
| 22:40.43 | Antonio` | dütch |
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| 22:40.50 | cafuego | Scheiße |
| 22:40.56 | itsbruce | Fair enough |
| 22:41.00 | simonrvn | saw that too ;p |
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| 22:41.17 | Guerin | cafuego: yeah |
| 22:41.29 | cafuego | written anwyway, spoken is still tolerable |
| 22:41.30 | minimec | Hmm... My problem is neither the german nor english language, but the gnome-obex-server. :-) |
| 22:41.36 | simonrvn | Guerout |
| 22:41.49 | cafuego | Guerin->work(); |
| 22:41.55 | simonrvn | heh |
| 22:42.10 | Antonio` | minimec, Romatsch is the language spoken by the çingene, isn't it? |
| 22:42.15 | simonrvn | Guerin->work('suckage'); |
| 22:42.33 | minimec | Well hackeron would say that english is maybe still a problem for me... |
| 22:42.43 | cafuego | if ( Guerin->work('suckage') == true ) point_and_laugh(); |
| 22:42.52 | simonrvn | haha |
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| 22:43.11 | cafuego | Guerin: Is it just me or is it far too early to work in your timezone? |
| 22:43.20 | simonrvn | need to define point_and_laugh() now |
| 22:43.30 | InitMass | in which file can i see the battery status if i am using acpi? |
| 22:43.43 | jonz | i've added 'set nocindent' to /usr/share/vim/vimrc, as well as set noautoindent, but it's still indenting...if i do it in vim with :set nocindent it works. why is vimrc not setting it properly? |
| 22:43.46 | minimec | Antonio`: Romatsch is spoken by the people in the district of Graubünden,. |
| 22:43.50 | cafuego | InitMass: /proc/acpi/.../battery |
| 22:43.58 | cafuego | InitMass: Requires the right modules to be loaded. |
| 22:44.15 | itsbruce | Although acpi also has compatibility mode, iirc, where it also does /proc/apm |
| 22:44.31 | cafuego | jonz: Just add :set nocindent to ~/.exrc instead |
| 22:44.36 | minimec | so nobody in here is using the gnome-obex-server... This is sad... |
| 22:44.45 | FieldySnuts | @lart minimec |
| 22:44.51 | simonrvn | #gome on irc.gnome.org maybe |
| 22:44.55 | FieldySnuts | it's AN/M8 not M-8 |
| 22:45.00 | simonrvn | err, #gnome even |
| 22:45.01 | cafuego | minimec: What is is supposed to do? |
| 22:45.05 | jonz | nope it still indents |
| 22:45.14 | itsbruce | Serve obex gnomes |
| 22:45.15 | InitMass | cafuego, i have found the file now. i will try to use root-tail to publish the battery status on the desktop |
| 22:45.28 | jonz | -rw-r--r-- 1 jonz users 32 2005-04-14 18:44 /home/jonz/.exrc |
| 22:45.34 | cafuego | InitMass: You're aware there *are* applets for that sort of thing, right? |
| 22:45.55 | simonrvn | s/he wants to do it hard core style |
| 22:46.09 | InitMass | cafuego, yes, but i don't know if there is any one for fluxbox |
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| 22:46.22 | InitMass | cafuego, i can't get torsmo to show my battery status |
| 22:46.24 | cafuego | InitMass: If coruse there is, just pick one and install it. |
| 22:46.31 | dvs | the cats will probably jump on the paper |
| 22:46.35 | InitMass | cafuego, it will only show online or offline |
| 22:46.37 | minimec | cafuego: the gnome-obex-server is a tool to manage the file transfer from a bluetooth source (your handy for example) to the computer. |
| 22:46.43 | cafuego | dvs: The boy tried to bite it and run off with it |
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| 22:46.47 | simonrvn | "*meow*, look at that... the paper disappears... hey watch those trees" |
| 22:46.49 | dvs | hhahah |
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| 22:46.53 | cafuego | now he's chewing on my mouse |
| 22:46.54 | InitMass | cafuego, but either i want to use torsmo or root-tail |
| 22:47.25 | cafuego | InitMass: watch -n2 'cat /proc/acpi...' might work, I'm pretty sure you can't tail proc files. |
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| 22:47.44 | cafuego | simonrvn: sugar cane paper |
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| 22:47.52 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 22:48.03 | simonrvn | cafuego++ |
| 22:48.18 | cafuego | Mind you, it's SHIT paper |
| 22:48.24 | PerfDave | minimec: Have you tried getting the command-line obex tools to work first? |
| 22:48.59 | simonrvn | hemp paper or wheat straw, or ... whatever is plentiful and non-damaging |
| 22:49.03 | cafuego | minimec: Ah ok. Well, the only machin I have that has bluetooth runs MacOS X, so no gnome-obex for me ;-) |
| 22:49.24 | cafuego | simonrvn: masses of sugar cane straw here... |
| 22:49.34 | simonrvn | yeh, that's what i thought |
| 22:49.43 | cafuego | simonrvn: Also masses of woodpulp in tasmania.. they pulp the oldest, biggest trees. |
| 22:49.49 | simonrvn | :( |
| 22:49.59 | minimec | Well I tried the obex-server with obexftp and sdpd. No success |
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| 22:50.05 | cafuego | Hahaha! omfg! |
| 22:50.06 | simonrvn | sounds like what they're doing here :( |
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| 22:50.09 | ermo- | hi |
| 22:50.12 | minimec | PerfDave: Well I tried the obex-server with obexftp and sdpd. No success |
| 22:50.15 | cafuego | Mustafa just found a ball of string and ran off with it :-) |
| 22:50.24 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:50.30 | jonz | gnome-obex isn't hard to get going if it's prepackaged |
| 22:50.39 | jonz | building from sources is a pain though |
| 22:50.40 | cafuego | simonrvn: You want to know their defence? "if we don't the loggers will lose their jobs" |
| 22:50.52 | simonrvn | nothing new there... |
| 22:50.53 | jonz | there's some weird massaging you have to do, i had to walk through it with the author |
| 22:50.55 | PerfDave | minimec: What exactly are you trying to do? I've used obexftp and sdptool to transfer files to and from my mobile from the CLI. |
| 22:50.56 | minimec | jonz: I used the inofficial deb package |
| 22:51.03 | simonrvn | er, heard of re-training? |
| 22:51.12 | jonz | what are you trying to do minimec? |
| 22:51.17 | PerfDave | "inofficial deb package"? |
| 22:51.19 | cafuego | simonrvn: .. as opposed to them KEEPING their jobs after they chop down all trees? |
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| 22:51.40 | simonrvn | at that rate, what trees... |
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| 22:52.37 | Xenguy | cafuego: at least a funeral is a good place to be depressed ;-) |
| 22:52.50 | simonrvn | ha |
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| 22:52.59 | minimec | PerfDave: So I would like to transfer files from my mobile to the Computer. Computer to mobile phone works with the gnome-bluetooth-manager. Sync with multisync is working too |
| 22:53.22 | PerfDave | minimec: Do you mean to send them from the phone, or push them from the computer? |
| 22:53.37 | terr | Is anyone here familiar with OpenOffice installation? I'm in woody and I'm wondering how I can install a newer version of oo. I see there is a 2.0 beta available but I also see there is a debian package for 1.1.4 but it appears to not be for woody. |
| 22:53.56 | simonrvn | no it isn't for woody |
| 22:54.01 | simonrvn | @bobbitt |
| 22:54.01 | PerfDave | terr: Woody doesn't get new versions of packages. Backport it, or see if somebody else has done so at http://www.backports.org/ |
| 22:54.02 | ravenbird | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. see also apt-get --force remove bobbitt |
| 22:54.22 | minimec | PerfDave: send them from the phone to the computer. Computer to phone is working without problems. |
| 22:54.24 | beeblebrox87 | after a mainboard replacement, kdm stopped starting X successfully, but startx still works fine |
| 22:54.30 | terr | PerfDave can you explain why? |
| 22:54.34 | PerfDave | terr: Bear in mind that OOo2b is heavily reliant on Sun's evil-license Java for many features. |
| 22:54.43 | beeblebrox87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.50 | PerfDave | terr: Yes. Woody is the current stable release. That *means* that it only gets security fixes. |
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| 22:55.04 | itsbruce | And important bugfixes |
| 22:55.04 | Nevat_Nohara | terr: give AbiWord a try |
| 22:55.06 | PerfDave | terr: That means you want to run it on your server, because things aren't going to randomly break from version upgrades. |
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| 22:55.20 | PerfDave | itsbruce: Nope. Bugs and workaroudns are documented, not fixed. |
| 22:55.25 | itsbruce | terr: The idea is that config file formats etc don't break after upgrades |
| 22:55.42 | carbon60 | Anyone know of a package that will monitor a daemon and restart/start it when necessary? I have a process that is dying on occasion, and I'd like a temporary kludge. |
| 22:55.42 | terr | itsbruce that makes sense. |
| 22:55.47 | itsbruce | PerfDave: you have the right |
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| 22:55.59 | terr | I'm going to have to upgrade from woody sometime. How painfull will this be? |
| 22:56.02 | snodnipper | has anyone know grub to stop reading the menu.1st? I have to specify the grub configfile location (/grub/grub.conf) |
| 22:56.06 | emullen | hi can some one pls help me with ndsiwarper? |
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| 22:56.08 | PerfDave | terr: Not at all. |
| 22:56.15 | dvs | terr: not much |
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| 22:56.25 | FieldySnuts | ndiswrapper uses proprietary drivers, good luck |
| 22:56.34 | terr | PerfDave is there a cheat sheet that tells me what to do and what to expect? |
| 22:56.37 | PerfDave | !menu.1st |
| 22:56.37 | dpkg | Look, guys. STOP USING WINDOWS. And if your eyes suck, PLEASE go get glasses. It's not "menu.1st". Never has been. It's not "first". It's "list". "menu.lst". OK? OK? |
| 22:56.39 | itsbruce | PerfDave: well, more painful than if it had been done earlier. More will have changed, more packages will need examination |
| 22:56.53 | minimec | PerfDave: I have to admit, that I didn't try long time with the obex-server. I found a gentoo-wiki-howto for the obex-server, which did not work for me. The gnome-obex-server seems esear to handle... |
| 22:56.57 | terr | PerfDave I've got a lot of source pacjges installed here as well - things like wxwindows |
| 22:57.14 | jcm | hi, seems that udf patches are not applied into 2.6.8 kernel-images packages. Can it be the reason why i get kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } error lines when i burn a dvd+rw and try to mount it? |
| 22:57.28 | PerfDave | terr: Just read the APT HOWTO. Change your sources.list, dist-upgrade. There are few manual tweaks that need doing, like exim3 -> exim4, hotplug and discover1. |
| 22:57.31 | itsbruce | terr: Shouldn't be a problem. You may have to run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' more than once |
| 22:57.41 | emullen | some one knows a good site for help getting my wireless card working with ndis or smth els? |
| 22:57.55 | Kerr | emullen: google does :-P |
| 22:58.00 | terr | itsbruce ok - let me read the howto. |
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| 22:58.03 | terr | bbl |
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| 22:58.07 | PerfDave | emullen: Just get a wireless card that's actually supported by Linux. |
| 22:58.08 | FieldySnuts | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ or something |
| 22:58.12 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 22:58.27 | emullen | ty :) |
| 22:58.33 | PerfDave | terr: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 22:58.34 | mlalkaka | hi |
| 22:58.39 | emullen | hi |
| 22:59.36 | Kerr | terr: your nick is confusing. Are we split personalities sharing the same keyboard, unkonw to eachother; or is it something darker, deeper? |
| 22:59.42 | mlalkaka | is there a command-line program that changes (and mutes) the volume? |
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| 22:59.53 | PerfDave | mlalkaka: If you're using alsa, alsamixer. |
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| 23:00.41 | Kerr | mlalkaka: I was always partial to aumix. It responds to the mouse, too; which is always useful when drunk. |
| 23:00.46 | mlalkaka | PerfDave, i'm looking for one that's non-ncurses. e.g. foovolume --vol-up | --vol-down | --vol-mute |
| 23:00.46 | resiak | mlalkaka: Also look at aumix |
| 23:00.53 | resiak | mlalkaka: Then definitely aumix |
| 23:00.57 | cafuego | ugh, bleedage |
| 23:01.22 | resiak | cafuego: What happen? |
| 23:01.26 | mlalkaka | resiak, isn't aumix a graphical program? |
| 23:01.32 | cafuego | rusty razor and an alcoholic shake is all i need |
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| 23:01.40 | PerfDave | mlalkaka: For alsa, amixer |
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| 23:01.44 | terr | Kerr my name is terrell |
| 23:01.46 | resiak | mlalkaka: apt-cache show aumix |
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| 23:02.00 | resiak | cafuego: Shaving while drunk => calamity. |
| 23:02.12 | sparr_ | looking for some help re opengl... got a game spitting this out at me after i installed a bunch of libraries (for a game that required libGL and SDL_*): _X11TransSocketOpen: socket() failed for local | _X11TransSocketOpenCOTSClient: Unable to open socket for local | _X11TransOpen: transport open failed for local/shaggy:0 |
| 23:02.14 | cafuego | resiak: I'm pretty sure I'm not drunk *anymore* though |
| 23:02.23 | cafuego | resiak: it's the morning after |
| 23:02.33 | PerfDave | "amixer allows command-line control of the mixer for the ALSA soundcard driver" |
| 23:02.34 | pshaggy | Can someone help me get java working with my firefox install? I'm running Debian and I have the Blackdown JRE installed. I did an 'ln -s /usr/lib/j2se/1.3/jre/bin/java /usr/lib/mozilla-frefox/plugin/libjavaplugin_oji.so' and restarted my browser but java still does not work. |
| 23:02.50 | PerfDave | pshaggy: /msg dpkg mozilla java |
| 23:02.52 | toukitsune | I have a serial connector that has an IR reciver/transmitter. How would I go about seeing if it actualy works? |
| 23:02.57 | resiak | cafuego: Oh. |
| 23:03.00 | pipeline | toukitsune: Check the lirc compatibility list. |
| 23:03.01 | mlalkaka | PerfDave, is amixer included with debian? |
| 23:03.10 | mlalkaka | PerfDave, i dont seem to have it in sarge |
| 23:03.15 | terr | when will sarge become stable? |
| 23:03.23 | cafuego | terr: when it's ready |
| 23:03.24 | resiak | !topicsmite terr |
| 23:03.25 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon terr. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:03.31 | paulswm | shaving while drunk with cutthroat razor == truncated life span |
| 23:03.47 | PerfDave | !find amixer sarge |
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| 23:03.49 | resiak | paulswm: shaving while drunk with cutthroat razor => improvement of the gene pool. |
| 23:03.57 | paulswm | HAH |
| 23:03.58 | pipeline | shaving whilst drunk with good razor => a man's man |
| 23:04.12 | FieldySnuts | man's idiot |
| 23:04.12 | pipeline | Man's man, ladies man, man about town |
| 23:04.18 | minimec | mlalkaka: aumix is a basic sound mixer for the console. But it is quiet powerfull I use it in combination with my fluxbox WM. |
| 23:04.21 | cafuego | resiak: I wasn't planning on ever swimming in that particular bog. |
| 23:04.33 | PerfDave | mlalkaka: It's not a package, it's part of the ALSA utilities. |
| 23:04.41 | terr | resiak I can't read the topic because of the irc client I use. :-( |
| 23:04.48 | mlalkaka | PerfDave, oh i see |
| 23:04.49 | FieldySnuts | aka user error |
| 23:04.55 | PerfDave | 00:05 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from terr: sirc 2.211+KSIRC/1.1, a perl client |
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| 23:05.10 | resiak | terr: Why not use a real IRC client? |
| 23:05.11 | cafuego | terr: run /topic |
| 23:05.20 | cafuego | terr: 8surly* even sirc can do that |
| 23:05.28 | Kerr | shaving when drunk = http:/www.darwinawards.com nomination |
| 23:05.30 | FieldySnuts | if not it should be taken out back and shot |
| 23:05.40 | gravity | Or patched |
| 23:05.46 | terr | I use ksirc |
| 23:05.47 | mlalkaka | PerfDave, resiak, minimec, Kerr: ok. i'll use aumix or amixer; whichever one suits my needs. thanks |
| 23:05.53 | gravity | terr: /topic |
| 23:06.03 | gravity | terr: The slash at the beginning means "command" |
| 23:06.07 | Kerr | terr: irssi :) |
| 23:06.14 | cafuego | terr: ANyway, the revent part of the topic is:" sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr" |
| 23:06.36 | terr | gravity ya - this client doesn't even tell me what commands are available |
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| 23:06.49 | gravity | ugh... do I have to download ksirc to see if this is true? |
| 23:06.55 | FieldySnuts | nah don't bother |
| 23:07.01 | FieldySnuts | just get a real damn client sheesh |
| 23:07.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'amixer' (3 of 4): (/usr/bin/alsamixergui, /usr/lib/menu/alsamixergui) in sound/alsamixergui ;; (/usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Multimedia/alsamixergui.desktop) in kde/kappfinder ;; (/usr/bin/{alsamixer|amixer}, /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/README.alsamixer) in sound/alsa-utils. |
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| 23:08.22 | terr | cafuego how are you doing - its been a while since we talked. |
| 23:08.54 | cafuego | terr: Pretty much alright, still battling the bastard ASP project from hell |
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| 23:09.35 | terr | cafuego as long as they keep paying you $50 per hour... haha |
| 23:09.49 | cafuego | terr: I hope not, I don't get out of bed for such a small amount |
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| 23:10.03 | terr | cafuego good for you. |
| 23:10.50 | toukitsune | So you cannot run "cat /dev/ttyS0" and view the input of the IR device on serial? |
| 23:11.00 | gravity | Ugh, ksirc sucks |
| 23:11.31 | cafuego | Yes, it has kdelibs deps. |
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| 23:12.01 | terr | what I find confusing is this: id or unstable is the place where most of the packages are initially uploaded. It will never be released directly, because packages which are to be released will first have to be included in testing, in order to be released in stable later on. |
| 23:12.02 | gravksirc | Man, does ksirc suck |
| 23:12.18 | terr | This makes it sound as if the packages miagrate from sid to woody. |
| 23:12.21 | gravity | terr: For commands try "/help" |
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| 23:12.38 | sircfuego | aiyee |
| 23:12.38 | gravksirc | terr: Or perhaps, /help topic |
| 23:12.47 | mlalkaka | PerfDave, resiak, minimec, Kerr: is there a similar program that uses and on-screen display to show the current volume? |
| 23:12.55 | terr | but my understanding is that woody is cast in stone excpt for security updates and one needs to move from woody to sarge to get the newer packages. |
| 23:13.12 | gravity | terr: Or, also, in the command menu->channel->topic |
| 23:13.19 | FieldySnuts | @breastfeed SCO |
| 23:13.26 | gravity | There's like a zillion fucking ways to figure out what commands are available? What is this bullshit? |
| 23:13.35 | minimec | mlalkaka: I use xosd for that. You can also use the xmms-osd plugin |
| 23:13.37 | gravity | !lart terr |
| 23:13.43 | PerfDave | terr: Woody is the *current* stable release. When Sarge releases, it will be the new stable release. Packages will then migrate from Sid to Etch, which will be the new testing release. |
| 23:14.26 | mlalkaka | minimec, how did you use xosd? |
| 23:14.36 | terr | PerfDave ya - that is what I understand - but this is not how the Debian FAQ describes the process. |
| 23:14.54 | PerfDave | terr: It isn't? Where does it say something different? |
| 23:15.07 | terr | PerfDave see 5.4 What about "SID"? |
| 23:15.13 | PerfDave | terr: Give me a URL |
| 23:15.17 | resiak | gravity: Right on. ksirc sucks, but actually works. |
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| 23:15.39 | terr | resiak ya - thta's why I didn't look for something better. |
| 23:15.43 | gravity | resiak: It sucks, but it doesn't suck so bad as terr made it out to be |
| 23:16.00 | resiak | terr: Seriously, use irssi or X-Chat and be happy in your soul.; |
| 23:16.06 | terr | gravity if it sucked too much I wouldn't use it. |
| 23:16.17 | gravity | terr: If you're going to use it, learn how to use it |
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| 23:17.03 | minimec | you have to install osdsh I think. Then you have to configure a them wich you can run with osdctl -S yourtheme. The xmms plugin is easier to manage, but it only works with xmms. :-) |
| 23:17.08 | terr | gravity I get by with it. That's all I'm worried about. Right now I'm more interested in focusing on upgrading to sid. I can only do one thing at a time. |
| 23:17.20 | resiak | terr: Why are you upgrading to sid? |
| 23:17.24 | dvs | terr: Yeah? |
| 23:17.30 | simonrvn | sid is not an upgrade |
| 23:17.32 | gravity | terr: If you can't figure out the command menu in your irc client you shouldn't be using sid |
| 23:17.40 | gravity | terr: Sid is a development branch. Things break. |
| 23:17.52 | terr | I'm going to upgrade to sarge |
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| 23:18.05 | terr | that was a typo - osrry |
| 23:18.06 | PerfDave | terr: Why do you want to do that? |
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| 23:18.30 | dvs | PerfDave: OpenOffice.org for starters. |
| 23:18.52 | terr | PerfDave because the old version of openoffice adn a few other utilites will not allow me to look at a PDF-1.4 version ".ai" file from adobe illustrator. |
| 23:19.29 | PerfDave | terr: You don't need to upgrade to sarge to fix this, and you'll lose security updates. |
| 23:19.33 | terr | PerfDave I'm hoping a newer version of office or xpdf or ps-pdf will work. |
| 23:19.46 | taddeus | i recently installed an ATI video card 9600 on kernel 2.6.8-2-686 if i switch to console ctrl+alt+fx screen become black and can't come back to X ! just push reset on pc :\ |
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| 23:20.24 | PerfDave | terr: *shrug* If you're not worried about security updates, then "/msg dpkg woody->sarge" |
| 23:20.29 | terr | PerfDave I'm not too worried about securtiy . this macine is protected behind a rather secure firewall and I know what I'm doing as far as bringing in fiels from the outside world. |
| 23:20.36 | gazzu | hi, how can I automaticly update my IP address in my [dyndns] acount? IPCHECK seems to not work propertly! |
| 23:20.38 | gravity | taddeus: Are you using the XFree driver or ATI's driver? |
| 23:20.45 | PerfDave | Or reinstall from scratch with Sarge, it might be easier. |
| 23:20.52 | taddeus | gravity: Xfree86 |
| 23:21.02 | minimec | mlalkaka: there is a tool osdshconfig that gives you a basic graphical interface to configure your personal theme. |
| 23:21.07 | terr | PerfDave I've got too much work in this machine to want to install from scratch |
| 23:21.31 | Covener | Are there any filesystems supported by linux that you can instruct to delaying re-using inodes from deleted files? |
| 23:21.35 | terr | PerfDave If I were to do that I'd go buy a new harddrive and put it into a spare machine (which I have) |
| 23:21.42 | PerfDave | terr: But you have it backed up, right? :) |
| 23:21.43 | gravity | taddeus: You may want to try another kernel. If that doesn't work then I'd suggest checking X.org's bugzilla |
| 23:22.05 | simonrvn | Covener: xfs and jfs create inodes on the fly. |
| 23:22.11 | terr | PerfDave most things are backed up. I can rebuild it if necessary. |
| 23:22.16 | PerfDave | taddeus: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 23:22.29 | terr | PerfDave however I will probably become even more pedantic in this area. |
| 23:22.32 | zinx | Covener: don't delete stuff ;) |
| 23:22.45 | taddeus | PerfDave: i don' know what's BTS is .. :\ |
| 23:22.46 | simonrvn | basically |
| 23:22.50 | simonrvn | @bts |
| 23:22.50 | ravenbird | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename . Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
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| 23:23.37 | taddeus | during the boot all work fine, but during shotwdown i can't see nothing, just a black screen |
| 23:24.06 | terr | am I reading this correctly? uname -a does show the debian version? or just the kernel version? |
| 23:24.08 | taddeus | kernel 2.6.10 won't run on my machine |
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| 23:24.33 | itsbruce | terr: the latter |
| 23:24.37 | taddeus | should i switch from xfree to xorg ? |
| 23:24.40 | gravity | taddeus: Check the BTS and X.org's bugzilla |
| 23:24.55 | terr | thanx. how can I find the debian version |
| 23:25.01 | resiak | terr: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 23:25.08 | taddeus | ok, tnx |
| 23:25.10 | PerfDave | taddeus: /msg dpkg BTS |
| 23:25.24 | resiak | terr: Oh, and check /etc/apt/sources.list to see if it mentions sarge, testing, sid, unstable, woody, stable. |
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| 23:25.28 | PerfDave | taddeus: xorg isn't in Debian |
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| 23:25.43 | taddeus | PerfDave: i know.. |
| 23:25.50 | billyoc | dpkg: sid->woody |
| 23:25.50 | dpkg | sid->woody is, like, Are you fucking insane?? Once upon a time, someone told me about this (but I would NOT attempt it!): dpkg -O -E --force-downgrade `find ~mirror/pub/linux/debian/dists/woody/ -type f -name *.deb` # liable to break things ASK ME ABOUT downgrading ! |
| 23:26.05 | billyoc | sorry, forgot /msg :( |
| 23:26.07 | resiak | taddeus: Don't upgrade. When it breaks, we won't help and you'll cry :) |
| 23:26.18 | gravity | taddeus: It may be worth a try... but it's not worth the hassle if the bug is still there. That's why I said to check X.org's bugzilla |
| 23:26.19 | taddeus | lol |
| 23:26.19 | PerfDave | taddeus: So if you switch to xorg, then you're not running Debian any more, and we won't be able to help you with it. |
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| 23:26.23 | terr | resiak I've changed the sources list already. |
| 23:26.51 | resiak | terr: *shrug* then you know what version you're on. |
| 23:26.51 | terr | I was going to upgrade around xmas and put it off a little |
| 23:26.51 | PerfDave | taddeus: Check the Debian BTS, report the bug if it doesn't help. |
| 23:26.51 | ixi | Hi. I'm using vga=MODE kernel parameter to switch to appropriate mode. Mode is changed correctly but during boot something changes it back... Hos anybody ideas what could change mode?? I don't use svgatextmode. |
| 23:27.04 | taddeus | ok, tnx again :D |
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| 23:27.36 | CyberShadow | I say, is there anything like "Hybernate" in Linux? |
| 23:27.52 | terr | resiak I did back then. Its old. I've forgotten |
| 23:27.54 | bykte- | is there a way to rollback apt-get update -u? |
| 23:28.04 | CyberShadow | like, save the RAM to the HDD and shutdown? |
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| 23:28.27 | joeytwiddle | CyberShadow, a friend of mine says his laptop does that with Linux |
| 23:28.34 | pipeline | CyberShadow: Yes. It depends on what notebook you have. |
| 23:28.48 | CyberShadow | XP does this on my desktop :( |
| 23:29.04 | ixi | CyberShadow: hehe. (not fun) |
| 23:29.08 | pipeline | CyberShadow: If your system has ACPI and ACP is enabled, you should be able to enter the "S4Bios" state and that will "just work" |
| 23:29.19 | resiak | !tell CyberShadow -about swsusp |
| 23:29.23 | pipeline | CyberShadow: More than likely, ACPI is broken and it won't work. And then you'll be using swsusp. |
| 23:29.34 | ixi | Hi. I'm using vga=MODE kernel parameter to switch to appropriate mode. Mode is changed correctly but during boot something changes it back... Hos anybody ideas what could change mode?? I don't use svgatextmode. |
| 23:29.39 | staniel | um Hybernate is not a feature of hardware... its a feature of software |
| 23:29.43 | ixi | s/Hi./ |
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| 23:30.00 | resiak | !tell ixi -about repeat. |
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| 23:30.09 | ixi | resiak: oh, thanks! |
| 23:30.12 | resiak | ixi: What is being started when it changes back? |
| 23:30.27 | ixi | resiak: how could I know? |
| 23:30.30 | resiak | ixi: I for one was trying to remember why mine was doing that. You only asked 3 minutes before. |
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| 23:30.35 | resiak | ixi: By reading the screen as it boots? |
| 23:30.50 | ixi | resiak: after it changes it erased history |
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| 23:31.07 | CyberShadow | resiak: "This Project Has Not Released Any Files" |
| 23:31.13 | itsbruce | ixi: what's your graphics card? |
| 23:31.20 | CyberShadow | does that mean I'll be using CVS? |
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| 23:31.40 | ixi | itsbruce: Radeon 7000 VE |
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| 23:32.10 | resiak | CyberShadow: It's in the 2.6 kernel. You may need to roll your own. /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 23:32.10 | bykte- | is there a way to rollback to the previous settings after issuing "apt-get -u upgrade |
| 23:32.19 | ixi | itsbruce: I've just disabled framebuffer in last stable kernel and would like to use only vga=.. parameter. |
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| 23:33.00 | bykte- | anyone? |
| 23:33.19 | simonrvn | which settings? |
| 23:33.31 | moon12 | can someone tell me if the "Ncurses Libraries" come with 1 of the 7 debains cds? |
| 23:33.54 | bykte- | is there a way to rollback to the previous settings after issuing "apt-get -u upgrade"? |
| 23:34.13 | simonrvn | @tell bykte- -about repeat |
| 23:34.22 | itsbruce | ixi: I thought you needed framebuffer for vga=whatever |
| 23:34.28 | simonrvn | answer my question instead |
| 23:34.30 | resiak | itsbruce: Not true. |
| 23:34.34 | ericb_ | moon12 I think nobody here have cd[2->7] and deals quite good with ncurses |
| 23:34.36 | ixi | resiak: any ideas? |
| 23:34.46 | resiak | ixi: Like I say, watch what's being loaded as it switches. |
| 23:34.47 | ixi | itsbruce: no, its another thing |
| 23:34.50 | bykte- | i hope that's not the only thing you know how to do simonrvn |
| 23:34.55 | ericb_ | moon12 : perhaps you should app some http repository and remove your cd from the list of packages |
| 23:34.58 | ixi | resiak: hell, how?? :( |
| 23:35.11 | ixi | resiak: it erases screen history :( |
| 23:35.16 | simonrvn | ignored |
| 23:35.18 | ixi | resiak: dmesg shows nothing |
| 23:35.19 | pipeline | ixi: ixi, eh? Any connection to the Motif / GUI vendor? |
| 23:35.28 | bykte- | u r ignored too |
| 23:35.32 | ixi | pipeline: no, sorry :) |
| 23:35.48 | moon12 | ericb does the library come with the Cds? |
| 23:35.56 | resiak | ixi: By reading what it's doing _just_ _before_ it switches? |
| 23:36.09 | resiak | ixi: Hell, I don't know. |
| 23:36.11 | ixi | pipeline: ix from Frank Herbert's Dune. Most interesting civilization imho :) |
| 23:36.19 | resiak | ixi: Have you ever had svgatextmode installed? |
| 23:36.23 | ixi | resiak: well, I'll try |
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| 23:37.21 | ixi | resiak: no, I said it right after my first copy of question ;) |
| 23:37.49 | FieldySnuts | postmaaann!! |
| 23:37.56 | resiak | ixi: No, I know you said you don't use it. I just wondered if you'd _ever_ used it, since I know that --purging my copy helped. |
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| 23:38.27 | ixi | resiak: oh, sorry. No anywhay. I'll try to catch it on the fly |
| 23:39.13 | joeytwiddle | ixi, it doesn't matter too much, as long as you can read what it runs /after/ it switches |
| 23:39.25 | joeytwiddle | you can find out where about in the boot process it is, and track it down |
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| 23:41.01 | jan_ | mailq: warning: inet_protocols: IPv6 support is disabled: Address family not supported by protocol |
| 23:41.12 | jan_ | can someone please explain me why i'm getting this after an upgrade :) |
| 23:41.18 | ixi | joeytwiddle: you mean by reading startup scripts? |
| 23:41.24 | simonrvn | because your kernel doesn't support it |
| 23:41.33 | joeytwiddle | ixi: i do |
| 23:41.37 | ixi | joeytwiddle: ok |
| 23:41.55 | Guerin | cafuego: heh, i don't actually start work for another hour and a bit ... I just have to be here and do nothing for a while |
| 23:41.58 | Guerin | it's the asian way |
| 23:42.16 | jan_ | simonrvn: well, but i didn't configure for ipv6 |
| 23:42.20 | itsbruce | jan_@ it's nothing to worry about. Just tell your mta not to try ipv6 |
| 23:43.26 | simonrvn | exim4 (if it's the mailq command from those packages, which i think it is) is built with ipv6 support. do what itsbruce said, and tell it to not try ipv6 addies |
| 23:43.44 | jan_ | itsbruce: the manual says ipv6 is not enabled by default |
| 23:43.47 | terr | does anyone know if there is an openoffice channel somewhere? |
| 23:43.51 | jan_ | so i should worry ;) |
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| 23:44.22 | resiak | terr: #ooo, #oo.o, #openoffice.org ? |
| 23:44.25 | simonrvn | the manual is wrong. its default is :: and 0.0.0.0 |
| 23:44.28 | jan_ | itsbruce: but inet_protocols = ipv4 does the trick :) |
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| 23:45.07 | dj28 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.08 | terr | resiak last one is the one. I tried a few! thanx |
| 23:45.28 | dj28 | guys, after about 5 minutes of using debian, my wireless nic stopped working and i noticed the smell of burnt rubber bands. i had used this laptop with XP flawlessly for 5 months. debian ruined it. who do i contact about getting compensation for this? |
| 23:45.28 | itsbruce | dj28: you are joking, of course |
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| 23:45.39 | simonrvn | dj28: no one. debian isn't resposible. |
| 23:45.43 | simonrvn | pons* |
| 23:45.44 | dj28 | well who is |
| 23:45.48 | itsbruce | You are |
| 23:45.52 | dj28 | i installed debian and it fucking destroyed t |
| 23:46.01 | dj28 | how am i responsible for debian frying my nic |
| 23:46.07 | pipeline | dj28: Read the warranty. |
| 23:46.10 | simonrvn | read the freaking warranty: THERE IS NONE |
| 23:46.18 | dj28 | well |
| 23:46.25 | dj28 | i don't care about that |
| 23:46.28 | dj28 | it fried my nic |
| 23:46.29 | pipeline | dj28: You accepted the terms of the license when you downloaded debian. |
| 23:46.36 | simonrvn | well you'd lose in court. bye |
| 23:46.41 | dj28 | i accepted and signed nothing |
| 23:46.45 | itsbruce | Assuming Debian did fry it, which is not necessarily the case, you are the one who installed an unsupported OS |
| 23:46.45 | dj28 | it fried my shit |
| 23:46.46 | FieldySnuts | @lart dj28 |
| 23:46.50 | FieldySnuts | moron. |
| 23:46.51 | starshine | you get to keep both pieces. but did it really *fry* your nic? or just reset it into a mode something doesn't like? |
| 23:46.52 | simonrvn | STFU troll |
| 23:46.59 | dondelelcaro | dj28: that's great, kindly go elsewhere. |
| 23:46.59 | pipeline | dj28: Merely by downloading and executing the software you were subject to the terms of the warranty. Better luck next time. |
| 23:47.01 | dj28 | i am not trolling |
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| 23:47.05 | simonrvn | another on the ignore list |
| 23:47.08 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:47.11 | FieldySnuts | thanks don |
| 23:47.17 | simonrvn | oh, thanks :) |
| 23:47.24 | pipeline | What a dumb troll anyway |
| 23:47.32 | pipeline | Do these people honestly think that line of attack on the GPL wasn't foreseen? |
| 23:47.39 | simonrvn | i've seen that kind of dumb shit on the MLs... |
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| 23:48.24 | cafuego | debian crashed my deskstar gxp! i want money! |
| 23:48.31 | simonrvn | haha |
| 23:48.57 | billyoc | and it made me spray my monitor with soda! |
| 23:49.10 | cafuego | .sue too |
| 23:49.15 | billyoc | although technically that was #debian |
| 23:49.15 | cafuego | stupid autocorrect ;-) |
| 23:49.16 | simonrvn | 'cause i giggled too much |
| 23:49.19 | dondelelcaro | too bad that's like the same troll that soemone did here 48 hours ago |
| 23:49.34 | simonrvn | probably the same troll ;) |
| 23:49.59 | toresbe | dj was trolling |
| 23:50.01 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Yeah well, the drive broke 48 hours ago, but it's STILL BROKEN! |
| 23:50.03 | toresbe | he did the same in Ubuntu |
| 23:50.06 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 23:50.08 | toresbe | with Ubuntu* |
| 23:50.09 | Guerin | what a classic |
| 23:50.28 | toresbe | exact same text with s/Debian/Ubuntu |
| 23:50.38 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: heh. figures. |
| 23:50.38 | FieldySnuts | i had some idiot try to tell me a 2.2 kernel set his NIC's mac permanently to FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF |
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| 23:50.46 | FieldySnuts | (broadcast) |
| 23:50.57 | simonrvn | typical... |
| 23:51.06 | simonrvn | sheesh |
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| 23:51.17 | Skiver | hi, anyone tested wine20050310 in SID ? |
| 23:51.19 | simonrvn | dufuses with no clue |
| 23:51.29 | cafuego | toresbe: Well, ubunti IS debian, so obviously they're both to blame. |
| 23:51.30 | resiak | !anyone |
| 23:51.30 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 23:51.43 | toresbe | FieldySnuts: on some cards that's actually something that can happen |
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| 23:51.49 | toresbe | 01:46 < dj28> it fried my shit |
| 23:51.52 | toresbe | haha |
| 23:51.55 | FieldySnuts | hh |
| 23:52.00 | simonrvn | crappy card, not the OS's fault |
| 23:52.06 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: fried shit must smell... |
| 23:52.14 | simonrvn | eew |
| 23:52.17 | simonrvn | haha |
| 23:52.52 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 23:53.03 | cafuego | Why did he buy a shit card to begin with? |
| 23:53.05 | simonrvn | somehow i doubt it |
| 23:53.10 | FieldySnuts | if you don't know what that word means, don't worry about it |
| 23:53.13 | cafuego | !dict coprophagy |
| 23:53.15 | dpkg | could not find definition for coprophagy |
| 23:53.15 | FieldySnuts | seriously. |
| 23:53.32 | pipeline | I think you misspelled it. |
| 23:53.38 | pipeline | And it involves eating shit, btw |
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| 23:53.41 | simonrvn | though you never know (and odn't *want* to know) |
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| 23:53.52 | resiak | coprophilia? |
| 23:54.00 | cafuego | you'd be amazed about my thirst for knowledge |
| 23:54.06 | pipeline | dendrophiliac coprophages, coming to a daycare center NEAR YOU! Film at eleven. |
| 23:54.14 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:54.20 | starshine | it worked for 5 months, and some change. side bet it has a 6 month warranty for a reason. |
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| 23:54.42 | dondelelcaro | ah, little bunnie rabbits... |
| 23:54.57 | Guerin | bunneh! |
| 23:54.59 | cafuego | fuckers |
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| 23:59.59 | zorton | what is the prefered way to setup a mirror? i'm using debmirror now but i've seen references to dak being used by most of the larger mirrors. Any suggestions? |
