| 00:00.08 | thomas_adam | zorton: Mirror for what? |
| 00:00.32 | zorton | thomas_adam: partial debian mirror |
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| 00:01.26 | thomas_adam | zorton: debmirror is OK, or apt-move, depending on your needs. |
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| 00:01.26 | dondelelcaro | zorton: dak is the archive script, actually... you'd never want to use that unless you've got your own package repositories |
| 00:02.05 | zorton | well debmirror seems to be working good now. I think I need to flush out the directory a bit though |
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| 00:04.22 | thomas_adam | zorton: Well, yes, configuring it would help. |
| 00:04.30 | simonrvn | is that useful to maintain a local repo? |
| 00:04.40 | simonrvn | using debpool now for that |
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| 00:05.05 | zorton | well I choose it because on the paticular system where i'm mirroring perl was avaiable |
| 00:05.17 | zorton | the system wan't a native debian system so.... |
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| 00:06.22 | peterS | oh, haven't seen the backtick in awhile |
| 00:06.47 | asuffield | 'no route to host', that took some doing |
| 00:07.22 | simonrvn | null routing your peer will do it ;p |
| 00:07.42 | peterS | simonrvn: I thought null routing just made packets disappear. is my terminology off? |
| 00:07.47 | linoleum | I would like to know : why is there epifany and galeon , because I think everybody use firefox now . what do you think people ???? |
| 00:08.11 | peterS | linoleum: I use galeon |
| 00:08.12 | simonrvn | no blocks the route. blackholed |
| 00:08.20 | peterS | linoleum: please don't tell me I should switch to firefox just because you did |
| 00:08.30 | simonrvn | the host disappears for all intents and purposes |
| 00:09.32 | itsbruce | linoleum: why is there Red Hat and Slakware? I think everybody should use Debian now. |
| 00:09.45 | itsbruce | Oddly, they don't pay any attention to me. |
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| 00:10.05 | simonrvn | i wonder why |
| 00:10.57 | linoleum | yesn I know, but actually , firefox, galeon, and epifany are very similar... I mean very very similar ... |
| 00:11.23 | simonrvn | all three use the same rendering engine |
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| 00:11.53 | InitMass | if i get temp statistics from ACPI is it from the battery then? |
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| 00:16.08 | Servo888 | Am I crazy or something - but can't you get something like tiny-x to work with on a pentium 1 laptop? |
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| 00:17.17 | Opiated | hi, I am using irssi now, instead of xchat, and alt+1 does not take me to status window, instead esc+1 does. I am using xfce4.2 with "xterminal" terminal application from os-works.com, and in its config, $TERM is set to xterm. How can I change the "meta key" to alt instead of Esc., I was in #irssi and they were not able to help me |
| 00:17.41 | simonrvn | depends on your kbd layout/map |
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| 00:17.49 | resiak | Opiated: Does Winkey-1 work? |
| 00:18.01 | Opiated | resiak: no |
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| 00:18.08 | toresbe | winkey wink :P |
| 00:18.13 | resiak | Opiated: *shrug* Try a different terminal. |
| 00:18.14 | resiak | toresbe: ? |
| 00:18.14 | Opiated | how can I modify the layout |
| 00:18.16 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:18.16 | Servo888 | Upon boot - can you 'bypass' the 'Calculating module dependencies...'? After a boot up it should remember the calculated module depends and not have to check again =\... |
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| 00:18.29 | toresbe | resiak: shoddy pun :P |
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| 00:18.31 | resiak | Servo888: Remove discover, I think. |
| 00:18.34 | resiak | toresbe: Heh. |
| 00:18.38 | simonrvn | Servo888: NOT recommended |
| 00:18.47 | simonrvn | has nothing to do with discover |
| 00:18.53 | simonrvn | it's mopdutils |
| 00:18.54 | resiak | simonrvn: What is it? |
| 00:18.56 | simonrvn | modu* |
| 00:18.59 | resiak | Ah. |
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| 00:19.28 | Servo888 | simonrvn, hmm |
| 00:19.31 | Opiated | resiak: what terminal application are you using |
| 00:19.37 | resiak | Opiated: urxvt |
| 00:20.02 | peterS | Opiated: when he says urxvt he means the debian package 'rxvt-unicode' or 'rxvt-unicode-lite' |
| 00:20.26 | Opiated | i see |
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| 00:20.49 | Opiated | the only beef I have with those two, xterm and rxvt, is that i ccan't figure out how to copy text, there is no right click menu |
| 00:20.54 | Opiated | i am sorry im just a newb |
| 00:20.59 | resiak | !mark and paste |
| 00:21.00 | dpkg | asuffield says that this is a more correct name for the select-middle-click pasting mechanism detailed in "cut and paste". Select what you want to paste in the normal way. Paste it by pressing the middle mouse button (or left and right together if you have no middle button) |
| 00:21.16 | Opiated | hmm |
| 00:21.45 | Opiated | and it copies automatically upon selection |
| 00:21.45 | Opiated | ? |
| 00:22.02 | resiak | Opiated: This is an entirely different and separate copy-and-paste mechanism to the one you're used to. |
| 00:22.04 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:22.09 | peterS | Opiated: it copies to the selection buffer. not the copy buffer. so if you paste via 'Edit / Paste' in some app, it won't work. you have to paste via middle-mouse-button |
| 00:22.27 | Opiated | oh man |
| 00:22.28 | Opiated | :( |
| 00:22.32 | simonrvn | sh-ins works too |
| 00:22.39 | peterS | Opiated: in other words, there are two 'clipboards' as it were. one is used by app 'copy / paste' menus, the other is used when selecting and middle-clicking |
| 00:22.51 | resiak | simonrvn: Is there some equivalent copy in urxvt? |
| 00:22.53 | simonrvn | Opiated: This is an enti |
| 00:22.56 | Opiated | how does one go about mixing the two |
| 00:22.59 | thomas_adam | dpkg, mark and paste is also or, press 'Shift + Insert' to paste. |
| 00:22.59 | dpkg | okay, thomas_adam |
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| 00:23.01 | simonrvn | that was sh-ins |
| 00:23.06 | simonrvn | Opiated: This is an enti |
| 00:23.07 | Opiated | i want to copy from xterm, and pste in copy/paste apps in X |
| 00:23.10 | simonrvn | middle click |
| 00:23.11 | Opiated | enti? |
| 00:23.21 | Opiated | oj |
| 00:23.22 | Opiated | oh |
| 00:23.23 | simonrvn | random selection |
| 00:23.24 | Opiated | wow |
| 00:23.25 | Opiated | that was simple |
| 00:23.29 | simonrvn | :) |
| 00:23.44 | thomas_adam | Opiated: Your enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. |
| 00:23.55 | Opiated | quite right |
| 00:23.59 | eNTi | silverton: ? |
| 00:24.03 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Hey, How you been? |
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| 00:24.14 | simonrvn | eNTi: woops, sorry :) |
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| 00:24.17 | Opiated | I have trouble with that usually, I seem to find it hard to NOT press the enter key after EACH damn expression, thought |
| 00:24.26 | Opiated | sometimes it annoys me too |
| 00:24.27 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Tired, ill, etc. You know how it goes... yourself? |
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| 00:24.50 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Not bad at all. Hope you feel better soon. |
| 00:24.56 | thomas_adam | Opiated: "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few". Guess that means you'll just have to try harder. |
| 00:25.01 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Ta. |
| 00:25.07 | Opiated | not a proble man |
| 00:25.12 | Opiated | problem* |
| 00:25.14 | toresbe | thomas_adam: "..or the one" |
| 00:25.37 | thomas_adam | toresbe: I prefer paraphrases. The quotes were there to make it look good. |
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| 00:25.49 | simonrvn | @comfort thomas_adam |
| 00:25.50 | toresbe | thomas_adam: aha. :P |
| 00:25.52 | ravenbird | There, there, thomas_adam. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:25.57 | Opiated | so, is there anyway to change the meta key in irssi from e |
| 00:25.59 | Opiated | ugh |
| 00:26.04 | Opiated | Esc. to alt? |
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| 00:26.22 | scarynetworkguy | Opiated: What did the irssi faq say? |
| 00:26.23 | simonrvn | the winky winkey |
| 00:26.24 | silverton | eNTi, yes? |
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| 00:26.44 | peterS | Opiated: I find the xterm configuration bit 'XTerm.vt100.metaSendsEscape: true' avoids all those problems |
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| 00:26.46 | Opiated | scarynetworkguy: well it says something about xterm, or rxvt, and i don't use either |
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| 00:26.53 | peterS | Opiated: you put that line in ~/.Xresources (which may or may not already exist) |
| 00:27.00 | Opiated | it exits |
| 00:27.02 | peterS | Opiated: oh, if you don't use xterm, then I don't know |
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| 00:27.15 | Opiated | i have been going through the faq, and finding those files, looking in them |
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| 00:28.13 | Opiated | but 'XTerm.vt100.metaSendsEscape: true' <= would it not send escape as the meta key? |
| 00:28.26 | peterS | Opiated: yes, it would. which will work with irssi. |
| 00:28.36 | Opiated | i want it to be ALT, rather than ESC |
| 00:28.47 | peterS | *sigh* |
| 00:28.51 | Opiated | sorry man |
| 00:28.55 | Opiated | im such a newb :( |
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| 00:30.02 | thomas_adam | We can usually tell. |
| 00:30.11 | iLLf8d | hi all, will someone tell me the command to tell apt not to install previously selected packages? seems its trying to roll me down to an older kernel listed as a "extra package"? |
| 00:30.28 | thomas_adam | iLLf8d: In what? |
| 00:30.38 | peterS | Opiated: metaSendsEscape:true means the alt key, which is normally mapped to 'meta', sends an ESC to irssi rather than whatever it was doing before. this will Do The Right Thing for most apps |
| 00:30.40 | iLLf8d | in apt in sid in debian |
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| 00:31.52 | thomas_adam | iLLf8d: Can you be more specific? |
| 00:32.09 | thomas_adam | It seems my mind2mind protocol is broken, again. |
| 00:32.19 | Opiated | ahh |
| 00:32.32 | Opiated | hey man, thanks for a better explanation |
| 00:32.34 | Opiated | you da man |
| 00:33.31 | iLLf8d | thomas_adam: i'm trying to remove some unneeded/wanted packages using apt-get remove --purge mypackage*, which its successfully listing although its saying its going to install a new kernel as an extra package (the new kernel happens to be older then the one i'm running and I'd like to tell it not to install it) |
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| 00:33.57 | Opiated | one more question, after I put tha tin my .Xresources and save, what do i need to do to activate it, restart X? or is there some other way? |
| 00:33.58 | thomas_adam | iLLf8d: What are you removing which causes this? |
| 00:34.08 | thomas_adam | Opiated: xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
| 00:34.15 | iLLf8d | thomas_adam: I think its from a failed install attempt earlier |
| 00:34.32 | thomas_adam | iLLf8d: It can't have been... |
| 00:34.36 | thomas_adam | iLLf8d: One cannot install Sid. |
| 00:34.56 | peterS | Opiated: he means ~/.Xresources of course |
| 00:35.08 | thomas_adam | peterS: Ideally one should be a symlink to t'other. |
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| 00:35.24 | peterS | thomas_adam: right, they should, but they may not be |
| 00:35.24 | Opiated | what is xrdb, there is no package, or nothing in system by tha name |
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| 00:35.29 | InitMass | how do i get utf8 support in aterm. i've got it in xterm |
| 00:35.34 | ericb_ | hi all ! I installed postgreesql but I don't know it didn't created a root user and I can't log into the database by anyway since I can't add a user.. |
| 00:35.37 | peterS | Opiated: the package is 'xbase-clients' |
| 00:35.41 | Opiated | ah |
| 00:35.42 | danikata | hi all |
| 00:36.00 | Opiated | hmm, it is already the newest version |
| 00:36.01 | thomas_adam | ericb_: You read the docs, like everyone else. |
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| 00:36.21 | ericb_ | ok thomas_adam , but from the docs I've read it give access to root by default |
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| 00:36.24 | Opiated | i could always just restart X, i don't have anything important running anway |
| 00:36.33 | ericb_ | thomas_adam I'll read readme.debian |
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| 00:36.53 | walnuck | hi folks |
| 00:36.58 | thomas_adam | Opiated: That won't help. You have to have that command in something like ~/.x{session,initrc} or whatever your DE/WM uses when it loads X. |
| 00:37.29 | Opiated | oh ok |
| 00:37.36 | Opiated | here we are |
| 00:38.03 | iLLf8d | thomas_adam: nm thanks anyway I just told it to remove the kernel it was trying to install (dunno something got hosed but I think its fixing it) looks like its working |
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| 00:38.19 | Opiated | well that just screwed it all up, now alt+1 is switching between tabs in the terminal app |
| 00:38.22 | Opiated | heh |
| 00:38.27 | Opiated | alt+x* |
| 00:38.36 | resiak | Opiated: Gnome-terminal, by any chance? you can turn that off. |
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| 00:39.00 | saigon | i just tried to build a new kernel using 2.6.11 and make-kpkg and got an error after the kernel was compiled but before it was installed that said: "cp: 'debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11': specified destination directory does not exist" |
| 00:39.11 | Opiated | no, i despoise gnome, Iam actually running the xfce4.2 packages for sarge from os-works.com, and the xterm app is called "xterminal" by osworks |
| 00:39.15 | silverton | how does one search in vim? |
| 00:39.27 | thomas_adam | silverton: ESC / |
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| 00:39.43 | saigon | the command the script was trying to do was "cp arch/i386 /boot/bzImage /debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11" |
| 00:40.33 | Opiated | ahh boy |
| 00:40.40 | saigon | anyone know whats up with this error or where i need to go to read more? |
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| 00:41.52 | Opiated | ahh shit, my mom is flying in from east coast tonight to check up on my apartment and car and grades, it sucks |
| 00:41.55 | Opiated | :( |
| 00:41.56 | ericb_ | ok thomas_adam I've read the docs but it really don't help the createuser script require the root user to exists but it don't |
| 00:42.00 | Opiated | im gonna go clean up the p alce and hide my bongs |
| 00:42.03 | Opiated | c'yall later |
| 00:42.04 | MobyTurbo | diego-sick: feel better |
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| 00:47.08 | diego-sick | MobyTurbo, thx X_x... i'll try |
| 00:47.19 | karsten | saigon: Sounds like the directory doesn't exist. I'm also not clear why it's trying to copy to /debian, which is generally a nonexistent directory. |
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| 00:48.36 | saigon | karsten: hm. kinda disconcerting that the build scripts with make-kpkg failed :\ |
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| 00:48.57 | reagleBRKLN | is there a way to copy the permissions associated with the source to the same files (but with different attributes) at the target ? |
| 00:49.10 | MobyTurbo | diego-sick: yw |
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| 00:49.24 | saigon | karsten: i was about to just start trying to install the image manually, since im pretty sure the build went fine, but i wasnt sure if that would break anything that debian had set up |
| 00:49.28 | karsten | saigon: Um. Yeah, me too. What kernel. Did you specify a target? |
| 00:49.41 | karsten | saigon: ...and I don't reallly know the guts of that. |
| 00:49.57 | saigon | karsten: yep ... did "make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" |
| 00:50.08 | silverton | which command extracts bz2? |
| 00:50.12 | silverton | tar -xjf ? |
| 00:50.20 | MobyTurbo | silverton: bzip2 |
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| 00:50.37 | MobyTurbo | silverton: if it's a tar'd bz2 file, yes |
| 00:50.46 | silverton | okay, sorry, should have mentioned that |
| 00:50.54 | karsten | saigon: I'm lost. |
| 00:50.57 | MobyTurbo | silverton: np |
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| 00:51.18 | saigon | karsten: eh? |
| 00:51.39 | silverton | so I'm checking to see if i2c support is enabled by default in the kernel |
| 00:52.31 | silverton | ncurses-devel what is it's package name? |
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| 00:53.50 | Solte | why when i change the screen resolutions in XF86Config-4 does it not change my screen resolution? |
| 00:53.51 | toresbe | ncurses-dev |
| 00:54.04 | silverton | thank you sir |
| 00:54.10 | toresbe | np |
| 00:54.29 | toresbe | Solte: resolutions are in Horiz and Vert, a bit down |
| 00:54.44 | Solte | ? |
| 00:54.54 | MobyTurbo | Solte: is the resolution you're adding first in the line? |
| 00:55.17 | MobyTurbo | Solte: you really should use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to change your settings... |
| 00:55.30 | Solte | that always broke it |
| 00:55.33 | Solte | i'm never using it again |
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| 00:55.45 | Solte | i've never gotten it to set up a monitor correctly |
| 00:55.55 | Solte | (plus i'm going to have a multi head system by next friday |
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| 00:56.17 | MobyTurbo | Solte: well, anyway, what's the answer to my first question? |
| 00:56.24 | Guerin | Solte: user error |
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| 00:56.48 | Solte | but my first display subsection reads: Depth 24 | modes "1024x768" |
| 00:56.52 | karsten | saigon: I'm out of ideas. |
| 00:57.01 | Solte | it still displays it in 800x600 |
| 00:57.08 | travisat | Solte: if your horz and vert aren't set right it won't switch to the mode you enter |
| 00:57.22 | saigon | karsten: yeh ... me too :\ |
| 00:57.37 | MobyTurbo | Solte: then I'd check what travisat is asking about now. |
| 00:57.37 | saigon | karsten: and its for a class project thats due in like 2 weeks |
| 00:58.10 | Solte | what horiz and vert? you mean the refresh frequencies? |
| 00:58.15 | travisat | yes |
| 00:58.22 | karsten | saigon: Hrm. Suggest you post details to debian-user. |
| 00:58.37 | saigon | karsten: is that an irc channel? |
| 00:58.39 | Solte | they are set strait from the range provided by the book |
| 00:58.39 | silverton | anyone in here set up lmsensors on an nforce2 chipset? |
| 00:59.37 | travisat | Solte: you need to check you x log to see why it isn't switching modes for you |
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| 00:59.59 | Solte | whats the location of it? i cant ever remember |
| 01:00.27 | travisat | /var/log |
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| 01:01.03 | myren | anyone have suggestions for JVM to use? |
| 01:01.12 | myren | my eclipse is literally not responsive |
| 01:01.30 | ericb_ | why not use sun's one ? |
| 01:01.48 | walnuck | myren, go ctrl-x and hit $ in the bash shell, it'll list all currently set variables. |
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| 01:01.55 | walnuck | myren, javahome, etc should be set |
| 01:02.39 | charlesnw | hello everyone. i have an issue with debian unstable and libwxgtk2.4-python |
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| 01:03.01 | charlesnw | it complains about /usr/bin/helpviewer being in another package |
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| 01:03.07 | LinuxNIT | how do you change the default system session? |
| 01:03.12 | ericb_ | why not file a bug report ? |
| 01:03.18 | billyoc | :) |
| 01:03.20 | charlesnw | let me finish :) |
| 01:03.23 | walnuck | charlesnw, see if its a symlink w/ file `which helpviewer` |
| 01:03.42 | charlesnw | negative |
| 01:03.53 | charlesnw | apt-get reccommends doing apt-get -f install with no packages |
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| 01:03.55 | charlesnw | doesn't work |
| 01:03.59 | charlesnw | i tried apt-get check. |
| 01:04.07 | charlesnw | simply tells me bout that package :) |
| 01:04.12 | travisat | !find helpviewer |
| 01:04.15 | dpkg | helpviewer.app: (Online help viewer for GNUstep programs), section doc, is optional. Version: 0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 190 kB, Installed size: 1080 kB |
| 01:04.31 | charlesnw | so any ideas? is there something in the apt-get docs about resolving/ignoring packages? |
| 01:05.01 | charlesnw | and um. its not package helpviewer |
| 01:05.03 | Solte | for the x log am i looking at 'faillog' 'XF86.0.log' or 'XF86.8.log' |
| 01:05.04 | charlesnw | sorry |
| 01:05.23 | charlesnw | .0 |
| 01:05.36 | charlesnw | but thanks for the ida travisat |
| 01:05.39 | charlesnw | idea |
| 01:05.40 | charlesnw | :) |
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| 01:05.59 | travisat | charlesnw: your problem is why I don't run unstable |
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| 01:06.16 | frevidar | this is a bit off topic, but I was looking for a program that looks at a large amount of sample text from different people and also a test text, and best determines the origin of the test text? I was going to try to code something up myself using frequency analysis of the text, but I was wondering if something like that already existed? |
| 01:06.17 | michal_ | hi.. does anyone know which kernel the sarge debian-installer rc3 uses? |
| 01:06.25 | walnuck | travisat, sounds like you have mixed repos, check your sources |
| 01:06.29 | pipeline | michal_: 2.4.27 by default, with 2.6.8 available |
| 01:06.30 | charlesnw | michal_, try typing uname -a |
| 01:06.39 | Quinn_Storm | hey, what ftpd would you guys reccomend? I've heard all kinds of security problems with wuftpd, perhaps there's a better option? |
| 01:06.45 | travisat | Solte: XFree86.0.log |
| 01:06.55 | charlesnw | travisat, thanks. but that wasn't quite the answer/solution i need :) |
| 01:07.03 | walnuck | Qiang-wek, i run vsftpd, supposedly supposed to be safer |
| 01:07.11 | walnuck | Qiang-wek, than regular ftpd |
| 01:07.21 | Quinn_Storm | walnuck: you mis-tab-completed, but thanks |
| 01:07.31 | charlesnw | heehee ain't technology grand? |
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| 01:07.45 | vortek | dpkg: bitchx |
| 01:07.45 | dpkg | Why are you adding such dumb factoids? We don't need more idiots with quit messages. |
| 01:07.50 | vortek | . |
| 01:08.10 | green_earz | Quinn_Storm: proftpd |
| 01:08.10 | charlesnw | dpkg, who are you refering to? |
| 01:08.12 | dpkg | charlesnw: what are you talking about? |
| 01:08.12 | Solte | for a range of frequencies... in the config... i just do lowfreq-highfreq right? |
| 01:08.16 | michal_ | charlesnw: kind of hard to do without a computer :P |
| 01:08.18 | Solte | or do i need quotes and shit |
| 01:08.20 | travisat | Quinn_Storm: no ftp is the sagest solution |
| 01:08.25 | michal_ | pipeline: thanks. that's plenty new enough |
| 01:08.30 | charlesnw | the miss tab completion dpkg |
| 01:08.33 | Quinn_Storm | travisat: so just use ssh/sftp/scp? |
| 01:08.39 | travisat | Quinn_Storm: if possible |
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| 01:08.42 | walnuck | Quinn_Storm, supposedly supposed to because last time some baby iddish'd about ftp not being secure n crap..and tried to start a flame |
| 01:08.55 | vortek | dpkg: bitchx |
| 01:08.55 | dpkg | Why are you adding such dumb factoids? We don't need more idiots with quit messages. |
| 01:09.00 | charlesnw | thats true michal_ |
| 01:09.07 | charlesnw | ahhh ok. |
| 01:09.22 | vortek | Does any one have the url on why bitchx was purged from debian ? the security weekness |
| 01:09.24 | walnuck | Quinn_Storm, proftpd is good too, not sure if it supports security though.. |
| 01:09.33 | charlesnw | but dpkg does that add anything useful to the communication here? the quit message was distrating enuf without you adding comments yes? :) |
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| 01:09.51 | Quinn_Storm | walnuck: ok, well I'll not set up an ftpd just yet for now, if I decide I really want one later I'll look back into it, I can see why it might not be a good idea |
| 01:09.56 | vortek | apt: BITCHX |
| 01:09.58 | apt | i heard bitchx is an irc client, PERIOD. Repeat after me: cafuego's a wanker! cafuego's a wanker! cafuego's a wanker! |
| 01:10.04 | vortek | lol |
| 01:10.12 | vortek | ?msg apt tell vortek bitchx security |
| 01:10.18 | Solte | for a range of frequencies... in the config... i just do lowfreq-highfreq right? |
| 01:10.18 | vortek | erps |
| 01:10.28 | walnuck | Quinn_Storm, ftpd, no, but one that supports security is a better |
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| 01:10.43 | michal_ | i'm about to try this myself once the computer is available but does anyone here have any experience with adaptec scsi hostraid? |
| 01:10.52 | vortek | hrm |
| 01:11.10 | vortek | How do i get apt or dpkg to give me the url on why BITCHX was purged from debian |
| 01:11.23 | charlesnw | well. i guess no one has a solution then. any takers? |
| 01:11.54 | Guerin | dpkg, bitchx is also ask me about root |
| 01:11.54 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 01:12.20 | walnuck | charlesnw, yes, apt-get remove the package then reinstall it |
| 01:12.20 | Guerin | vortek: what security? |
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| 01:12.28 | Robers | ñaca |
| 01:12.28 | vortek | Guerin : Well debian purged bitchx from sarge because of security. |
| 01:12.38 | walnuck | Guerin, google vsftpd |
| 01:12.44 | Guerin | apt-get remove --purge --reinstall foo |
| 01:12.54 | Guerin | walnuck: ? |
| 01:12.57 | vortek | Guerin : and every one I talk to says its not insecure... So I'm treing to find the url that some one gave me in here about why bitchx was removed from sarge |
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| 01:12.59 | Guerin | vortek: and about time too |
| 01:13.17 | Guerin | !why is bitchx not in testing |
| 01:13.18 | dpkg | bitchx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bitchx |
| 01:13.19 | Solte | yay i finally got it to get out of 800x600... i gave it exact frequencies instead of the range... |
| 01:14.07 | walnuck | can someone help me with a simple route table? |
| 01:14.38 | Solte | bbiab... restarting to see if my new mouse really is a dud or if it just REALLY dislikes linux |
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| 01:15.33 | vortek | Guerin: so acording to this.. Bitchx Is not in testing cause its packaged with an ancient version of irc-pana and not the latest version ? lol |
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| 01:16.19 | RaCarter | what's the package name to install all of gnome? |
| 01:16.24 | dondelelcaro | RaCarter: gnome |
| 01:16.28 | vortek | you'd think some one would just simply update bitchx.deb Rather then blatently remove the whole package from testing |
| 01:16.40 | saigon | anyone here know about make-kpkg |
| 01:16.53 | Guerin | vortek: go on, then. |
| 01:17.03 | vortek | Guerin : I'm not a package maintaner |
| 01:17.08 | dondelelcaro | vortek: no, it's the fact that the source package that builds bitchx, ircii-pana, has RC bugs. |
| 01:17.25 | dondelelcaro | vortek: specifically #296535 |
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| 01:17.28 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #296535 |
| 01:17.30 | dpkg | #296535:G[bitchx] Fails to escape unprintable characters (security) Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:03:01 UTC |
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| 01:17.35 | vortek | dondelelcaro: ahh I must of mis read the link... I though it used a old version |
| 01:17.39 | Guerin | that's a really dirty bug |
| 01:17.50 | dondelelcaro | vortek: because no one has cared enough to actually fix the problem, the package was removed from testing. |
| 01:18.12 | vortek | dondelelcaro : But the latest version ircii-pana is not vulnerable is it ? |
| 01:18.18 | scarynetworkguy | vortek: Compare and contrast bitchx http://www.google.com/custom?q=bitchx+vuln&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&cof=AWFID%3Ae04bcf774b94a9ef%3BGL%3A1%3BBGC%3A%23ffffff%3BT%3A%23000000%3BLC%3A%23125080%3BVLC%3A%23125080%3BALC%3A%23125080%3BGALT%3A%23125080%3BGFNT%3A%23000000%3BGIMP%3A%23125080%3BDIV%3A%23125080%3BLBGC%3A%23ffffff%3BAH%3Acenter%3B&domains=archives.neohapsis.com&sitesearch=archives.neohapsis.com and irssi http://www.google |
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| 01:18.32 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: beatings |
| 01:18.34 | guorke | hi |
| 01:18.41 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Heh. |
| 01:18.42 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: tinyurl or shorten is your friend |
| 01:18.52 | Guerin | just fgi :) |
| 01:18.55 | walnuck | I have no problems with bridges(I've done two bridges), anyone can just jot the point for a router table for two network cards, anyone? |
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| 01:19.18 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: I *hate* things that rewrite URLs. Bad habit to get into. Granted though that those are fugly as all hell. |
| 01:19.26 | vortek | #296535 |
| 01:19.36 | vortek | How do I google for that is that a bugtrack # or debian |
| 01:19.44 | dondelelcaro | vortek: bugs.debian.org/296535 |
| 01:19.56 | vortek | All Im treing to figure out is , Is the latest version of ircII-pana vulnerable or not |
| 01:20.03 | vortek | dondelelcaro : thanxs |
| 01:20.16 | dondelelcaro | vortek: dunno. presumably the maintainer of bitchx would no, but since I don't use it, I could care less. |
| 01:20.18 | fran | I can´t get apt or dpkg to tell me about md5sum in X config |
| 01:20.20 | fran | how is it? |
| 01:20.21 | walnuck | arrg, just but a gigabit card and I still can't manage to connect my laptop |
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| 01:20.30 | Guerin | vortek: !x md5 |
| 01:20.33 | Guerin | eh |
| 01:20.37 | Guerin | !x md5 |
| 01:20.45 | Guerin | !x md5sum |
| 01:20.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell vortek about xmd5 |
| 01:20.48 | fran | Guerin: Not working :( |
| 01:20.50 | Solet | whats the command that tells you all the shit about your mouse? |
| 01:20.52 | Guerin | gah |
| 01:20.56 | Dorado | q |
| 01:20.57 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: x md5 is <reply> xmd5 |
| 01:21.05 | walnuck | Solet, apropos mouse |
| 01:21.07 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: x md5 is <reply> see xmd5 |
| 01:21.13 | Guerin | Solet: mdetect |
| 01:21.16 | saigon | i just tried to build a new kernel using 2.6.11 and make-kpkg and got an error after the kernel was compiled but before it was installed that said: "cp: 'debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11': specified destination directory does not exist" |
| 01:21.20 | toresbe | :recursion |
| 01:21.21 | saigon | the command the script was trying to do was "cp arch/i386 /boot/bzImage /debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11" |
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| 01:21.26 | saigon | anyone know whats up with this error or where i need to go to read more? |
| 01:21.29 | toresbe | :recursion is see recursion |
| 01:21.42 | Guerin | !wayc saigon |
| 01:21.42 | dondelelcaro | ugh... it's the stupid bablefish command screwing things up |
| 01:21.43 | Solet | thank you |
| 01:21.43 | dpkg | saigon: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 01:21.54 | vortek | dondelelcaro: you send me msg on xwindows :) |
| 01:22.06 | dondelelcaro | vortek: er, sory... meant to send it to fran |
| 01:22.08 | saigon | dpkg: was trying to mess with bridging/firewalling |
| 01:22.22 | saigon | !wayc? |
| 01:22.25 | vortek | word |
| 01:22.25 | saigon | !wayc |
| 01:23.41 | walnuck | !spit |
| 01:23.51 | dondelelcaro | you guys can /msg the bot, you know... |
| 01:23.53 | walnuck | !routers |
| 01:23.58 | walnuck | !route |
| 01:23.58 | vortek | dondelelcaro : so how would I test my version of bitchx against this bug |
| 01:23.59 | dpkg | ask me about 'static route' |
| 01:24.11 | vortek | paste none printable chars in the chat ? |
| 01:24.12 | saigon | dpkg: and im pretty sure im doin it the 'debian way' ... im using source packages i got from dselect and make-kpkg from 'kernel-package' |
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| 01:24.40 | walnuck | saigon, dselect is crap, stick with the shell like a man |
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| 01:24.46 | Vyrus001 | how come as -mips3 test.asm gives me errors ? |
| 01:25.01 | dondelelcaro | vortek: are you in en_US.UTF-8 or C? |
| 01:25.08 | dondelelcaro | vortek: æˆ‘çš„æ°£å¢Šèˆ¹å……æ»¿äº†é±”éš |
| 01:25.14 | walnuck | Vyrus001, because you probably missed to specify the proper arch target |
| 01:25.28 | saigon | walnuck: alright ill pick up the .debs with apt-get, but it still wont explain why a kernel compile script provided by debian failed ... |
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| 01:25.39 | dondelelcaro | walnuck: there's nothing wrong with dselect if someone likes to use it. |
| 01:25.50 | vortek | æçæ°£å¢è¹å滿äºé±é- |
| 01:25.57 | vortek | Gues im not vulnerable |
| 01:25.57 | Vyrus001 | walnuck im quite new to as.. u think you could hook me up witht he correct syntax ? |
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| 01:26.06 | dondelelcaro | vortek: which locale are you using? |
| 01:26.14 | vortek | how do I find out I never had to check that lol |
| 01:26.16 | walnuck | Vyrus001, well wr you trying to compile exactly? |
| 01:26.32 | dondelelcaro | vortek: check env; see what LANG or LC_* is set to |
| 01:26.32 | Quinn_Storm | what are people vulnerable/not vulnerable to? All I've seen is some kanji-looking characters and some random other "international" bits |
| 01:26.37 | Vyrus001 | walnuck a mips asembler file.. but im on a pII 750 debian box |
| 01:26.51 | dondelelcaro | Quinn_Storm: #296535 |
| 01:26.54 | Solet | in the mouse area of the config for xf86 what does the option "corepointer" do? |
| 01:26.54 | Vyrus001 | walnuck mips3 "r4000" to be exact |
| 01:26.56 | walnuck | Vyrus001, what's the command |
| 01:27.05 | dondelelcaro | Quinn_Storm: unless you're using bitchx, you probably could care less. |
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| 01:27.17 | Quinn_Storm | dondelelcaro: ah, heh, yeah I'm using Konversation so I don't care |
| 01:27.23 | yoc | what's the meaning of flag s in mutt? |
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| 01:27.33 | dondelelcaro | yoc: signed, but not verified |
| 01:27.42 | Guerin | yoc: it means "look through the mut manual" |
| 01:27.54 | Vyrus001 | walnuck as <- app -mips3 <- param test.asm <- file |
| 01:27.57 | Guerin | as do all other flagsyou don't recognise |
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| 01:28.01 | Vyrus001 | walnuck is there somthing i missed ? |
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| 01:28.20 | paolo | Hi guys! is it possible that a waiting gdm on an ltsp clients makes the modem on its ltsp server dialling? |
| 01:28.26 | yoc | dondelelcaro, what's the meaning of flag r in mutt? i know it means read, but when i've read a mail, r doesn't show up |
| 01:28.27 | vortek | dondelelcaro : that command does not even work |
| 01:28.45 | dondelelcaro | yoc: no, it means that you've replied. Read the manual. |
| 01:29.10 | dondelelcaro | vortek: not in bitchx. in the shell that you used to spawn bitchx. |
| 01:29.12 | walnuck | Vyrus001, what's the error? |
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| 01:29.33 | yoc | dondelelcaro, ok, last question, how to mark all my mails tagged? i have 3000 mails |
| 01:29.42 | vortek | /bin/sh: check: command not found |
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| 01:29.47 | dondelelcaro | yoc: use the tag pattern command |
| 01:29.59 | vortek | dondelelcaro: I keep getting check command not found |
| 01:30.04 | dondelelcaro | yoc: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/ |
| 01:30.11 | dondelelcaro | vortek: 'env' |
| 01:30.18 | yoc | dondelelcaro, thanks! |
| 01:30.32 | walnuck | paolo, #ltsp |
| 01:30.45 | walnuck | paolo, there's also sweet pxe linux another great project.. |
| 01:30.50 | paolo | walnuck: thank you! |
| 01:31.02 | walnuck | paolo, check on sf.net |
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| 01:31.19 | vortek | no localst printed out |
| 01:31.27 | vortek | for utf or any thing |
| 01:31.31 | walnuck | yoc, cumon, that's an rtfm question.. |
| 01:31.32 | vortek | er locals |
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| 01:32.02 | Vyrus001 | walnuck bad paramiter |
| 01:32.09 | Vyrus001 | walnuck but i got that param out of the man pages |
| 01:32.24 | vortek | dondelelcaro: sorry env does not show any thing remotely related to locals or lang=c |
| 01:32.30 | walnuck | Vyrus001, i dont see -mips3 here as a parameter |
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| 01:32.48 | Vyrus001 | walnuck ? in man |
| 01:32.56 | Vyrus001 | walnuck scroll down |
| 01:33.02 | dondelelcaro | vortek: No, not LANG=C, but LC_ or LANG set to anything not C... |
| 01:33.05 | d03boy | I could really use some help.. I'm trying to install the NVidia driver but it says I need to do it out of xwin. I do not know how to not be running xwin though. I tried changing runlevel, but couldnt get it to work... help? |
| 01:33.11 | walnuck | Vyrus001, atimes, if <cmd> --help doesn't work or scrolls by the screen you can be sure it'll always work alike this cmd-> <cmd> --help 2>&1|<peruser> (peruser such as less or more) |
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| 01:33.37 | vortek | dondelelcaro : nothing like that shows from env |
| 01:33.42 | vortek | not even remotely close |
| 01:34.16 | vortek | are there any other commands ? |
| 01:34.31 | dondelelcaro | vortek: *shrug* then lang probably is C, and you may not be vulnerable. |
| 01:34.31 | walnuck | Vyrus001, there are few params with some commands that don't require a ' ' (space) after the -option flag.. |
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| 01:34.47 | dondelelcaro | vortek: alternatively, the vulnerability only appears when someone quits with UTF-8 messages. |
| 01:34.50 | walnuck | Vyrus001, this is a true *bitch* sometimes.. |
| 01:34.55 | vortek | dondelelcaro: yeah I just had like 20 others with bitchx on undernet none vuln |
| 01:35.04 | dondelelcaro | vortek: feel free to reply to the bug stating that. |
| 01:35.05 | Vyrus001 | walnuck so i should try what ? |
| 01:35.17 | walnuck | Vyrus001, well, if you know its all right, try without a space |
| 01:35.21 | vortek | dondelelcaro: so basicly your only vulnerable if your dumb enough to use aa utf-8 message lol |
| 01:35.26 | Vyrus001 | walnuck /me tries |
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| 01:35.38 | vortek | dondelelcaro: well atleast debian takes security serious :) |
| 01:35.39 | dondelelcaro | vortek: no, if you're *NOT* using UTF-8 |
| 01:35.43 | walnuck | Vyrus001, eg: some texts may demonstrate a space where there shouldn't etc..that's aggravating.. |
| 01:35.59 | vortek | dondelelcaro: sweet but the user still has to do something though on his part though right ? |
| 01:36.17 | dondelelcaro | vortek: did you read the bug? no interaction from the user necessary. |
| 01:36.26 | lunaphyte | when a file says 'you should use dpkg-reconfigure to configure this file', how can i find out which package name i need to pass to the dpkg-reconfigure command? |
| 01:36.27 | Vyrus001 | walnuck nope |
| 01:36.35 | Vyrus001 | walnuck maby it is an option to a param |
| 01:36.39 | Vyrus001 | and i just dont know the param |
| 01:36.44 | Guerin | lunaphyte: whatever package owns that file - use dpkg -S |
| 01:36.57 | vortek | dondelelcaro: my bad I just got like 20 peopple treing to figure out this bug report sorry |
| 01:37.14 | walnuck | Vyrus001, try the asm file as "./asm" with ./ |
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| 01:37.54 | Vyrus001 | walnuck nope |
| 01:37.55 | walnuck | Vyrus001, or include an -o? |
| 01:38.00 | Vyrus001 | tried that |
| 01:38.23 | lunaphyte | Guerin: ah - thanks! |
| 01:39.02 | Guerin | !kill people who leave their celphones a) on b) with a loud and annoying ring c) unattended d) hidden in a bag you can't rummage in without invading their privacy |
| 01:39.08 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:39.09 | walnuck | Vyrus001, maybe you're missing a linking option? |
| 01:39.10 | Guerin | sorry |
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| 01:39.36 | Guerin | it would appear I broke dpkg with my)s |
| 01:39.48 | OpTix | wnas ! |
| 01:40.32 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's not supposed to happen |
| 01:40.32 | Robers | whats the best soft for technical analysis, charting here, something better than qtstalker or smtm |
| 01:40.35 | Robers | ? |
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| 01:40.54 | Vyrus001 | walnuck ? |
| 01:40.56 | walnuck | Vyrus001, um |
| 01:40.56 | Vyrus001 | what is that |
| 01:41.46 | walnuck | Vyrus001, did you read the man properly? I think if my "as"embly cmd is the same, you're not inplacing it properly..check the target options sections |
| 01:42.39 | d03boy | does anyone see what is wrong with the following line? |
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| 01:42.44 | d03boy | apt-get -t $NVDIST install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) |
| 01:43.32 | silverton | d0eboy, what are you trying to do? |
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| 01:43.43 | d03boy | trying to install the nvidia drivers |
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| 01:43.48 | silverton | video? |
| 01:43.55 | d03boy | ya |
| 01:44.00 | vortek | dondelelcaro: Why hasn't anny one reported this bug to bugtraq ? |
| 01:44.05 | silverton | install your kernel headers, for whatever version kernel you have |
| 01:44.11 | silverton | and get the official drivers off of their website |
| 01:44.16 | dondelelcaro | vortek: because no one has? |
| 01:44.28 | silverton | when it's done, you'll have to edit XF86config-4 and change the driver from nv to nvidia |
| 01:44.29 | travisat | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:44.30 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 01:44.31 | d03boy | the official drivers do not work because I need to be out of xwin |
| 01:44.43 | vortek | dondelelcaro: lol you serious though ? Well I'd send it but with tons of people I could not reproduce the bug |
| 01:45.00 | silverton | d03boy, duh... |
| 01:45.02 | vortek | and they used utf 8 and lang=c |
| 01:45.02 | dondelelcaro | !maint bitchx |
| 01:45.05 | dpkg | bitchx: Daniel Jacobowitz <dan@debian.org> |
| 01:45.09 | silverton | you just don't know how to install it |
| 01:45.16 | vortek | ill email daniel I gues |
| 01:45.18 | d03boy | silverton, well I asked about 10 mins ago, nobody responded |
| 01:45.19 | dondelelcaro | vortek: why not talk to Daniel Jacobowitz and see what the deal is... |
| 01:45.33 | d03boy | so I decided to look it up and found a tutorial saying I should use apt-get or something |
| 01:45.40 | vortek | yeah I Gues I should get off my lazy ass and do something to help out lol |
| 01:45.42 | vortek | ;) |
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| 01:47.18 | agabus_ | could some PM me the some universe URLs please |
| 01:47.39 | walnuck | agabus, universe.org |
| 01:47.57 | pingouin_ | what can i do to get back printing exotic font like japanese from firefox/mozilla back ? after the my last upgrade, some xprint packages has been removed, and i've lost those printing capability |
| 01:48.19 | Drizzt321 | Ok, well, it seems I have a rather large problem. I was recently gone for 3 weeks and left my server up. I'm using sarge and updated shortly before I left. When I got back, I found I was unable to access anything on the console or via ssh. After hard rebooting, it would not come all the way up, gave me a some license output from grep and egrep. Also segfaults from various daemons and other software trying to start up. I can get int |
| 01:48.19 | Drizzt321 | o single user mode, barely, and even there some of the standard tools are segfaulting. anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:48.21 | agabus_ | walnuck? i mean the apt-get universe sources |
| 01:48.23 | walnuck | pingouin_, see about apt-cache search japanese font |
| 01:48.40 | pingouin_ | walnuck: i got them installed |
| 01:48.40 | walnuck | agabus, sources.list -> paste "universe.org" |
| 01:48.49 | michal_ | oh oh.. I've got a problem :/ seems that the sarge debian installer doesn't support the hardware I'm trying to install on.. at least not automatically |
| 01:49.29 | stew | michal_: what hardware? |
| 01:49.30 | walnuck | michal_, that's why you have the x86 compatibility option in the kernel and emulation code |
| 01:49.34 | agabus_ | ok.. could someone else give me a copy of their apt-get sources.list file please |
| 01:49.41 | green_earz | agabus_: use apt-setup to pick a mirror ? if its apt saucer you want |
| 01:49.47 | walnuck | agabus, no |
| 01:49.56 | michal_ | walnuck: what are you talking about? |
| 01:50.04 | michal_ | stew: adaptec hostraid |
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| 01:50.32 | michal_ | stew: it can't see any partitions |
| 01:50.32 | walnuck | michal_, even though its not a perfect kernel for your hardware, your hardware does provide backward compabitibility, so it should work |
| 01:50.42 | vortek | bbl |
| 01:50.45 | stew | michal_: do you have a driver loaded for it? |
| 01:50.51 | vortek | thanxs for the help dondelelcaro |
| 01:50.54 | vortek | and Guerin |
| 01:51.07 | walnuck | michal_, in that case, you have see if your hardware drive is first "seeable" from some place, then work from there.. |
| 01:51.09 | michal_ | stew: a driver is loaded for the scsi but I suspect there may be an alternative driver.. the default one doesn't seem to support hostraid |
| 01:51.27 | walnuck | michal_, is your drive, at first, "seeable" from anywhere? |
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| 01:52.08 | michal_ | oh crap.. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/12/msg00452.html |
| 01:52.20 | michal_ | seems I need 2.6.10-rc1 at least |
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| 01:53.00 | stew | !custom d-i |
| 01:53.00 | dpkg | i guess custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
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| 01:53.07 | stew | michal_: ^^^ |
| 01:53.08 | walnuck | pingouin_, see about xlsfont cmds or about how to update font cache, you may have to restart the X server, log out first then issue ctl-alt-backspace |
| 01:53.21 | michal_ | stew: thanks.. will try |
| 01:53.45 | Overand | how do i restart x? |
| 01:53.47 | walnuck | stew, god dam you you know all the shortcuts to the bot |
| 01:54.04 | Overand | (from console) |
| 01:54.09 | Overand | i thought it was just 'xrestart' |
| 01:54.48 | walnuck | Overand, no, you kill the server then restart it..->don't know if this is the correct debian though-> /etc/init.d/X restart , something alike |
| 01:55.37 | Overand | i just did that w/my display manger (gdm) |
| 01:55.44 | Overand | that worked, thaanks |
| 01:55.46 | mattmm | how do you clear the mysqld.cok when restarting the mysqld daemon |
| 01:55.51 | mattmm | mysqld.sock* |
| 01:55.51 | Overand | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 01:56.07 | michal_ | stew: looking from that documentation it doesn't seem like it's possible to use precompiled debian packages of kernels. Is that right? |
| 01:56.07 | Overand | of course i'm still having issues, but i'll keep hacking on it |
| 01:56.14 | walnuck | mattmm, cok and sock are two horny words, be careful now.. |
| 01:56.27 | mattmm | walnuck, i know - my fault |
| 01:56.59 | stew | michal_: it looks to me like you can: "You need to find or produce a kernel deb" |
| 01:57.08 | walnuck | michal_, possibly, you just need the guts to prove you can do it |
| 01:57.10 | stew | the key word being "find" |
| 01:57.31 | walnuck | stew, keyword is one word, key word is two |
| 01:57.57 | Overand | bah, a ti-4200 should be able top display to a TV at 800x600 =/ |
| 01:58.11 | Overand | i'm sure i've just got modelines set wrong in XF86-Config-4 |
| 01:58.23 | stew | !kick wal in the nucks |
| 01:58.40 | goodtod | what does the wpa_supplicant error "failed to initialize control interface" mean? |
| 01:58.45 | Overand | it just worked when i set it to 640x480 tho. =/ |
| 01:59.27 | Overand | the usable real estate coupled with the whole 'only using 3/4 of your TV" thing at 640x480 sucks though |
| 02:00.48 | walnuck | I know kungfu! me do the block and win! |
| 02:01.27 | Solet | i cant get my mouse to configure correctly, dpkg-reconfigure will break my monitor settings so i'm afraid to run that, does anyone have a url that explains every option of the XF86Config-4? |
| 02:02.15 | kyncani | Solet: tried X -configure ? |
| 02:02.24 | stew | kyncani: no |
| 02:02.25 | walnuck | Solet, then back up the Xfile to Xfile_0 or anything else.. you can try X -configure and use hints for that default-sample stored to ~ |
| 02:02.42 | stew | Solet: it will remember all your old settings, just dont change any monitor settings |
| 02:02.42 | kyncani | stew: ? |
| 02:02.55 | stew | kyncani: unless you are going to explain to him how to fix the md5sum as well |
| 02:03.15 | kyncani | stew: X -configure won't overwrite /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:03.46 | kyncani | stew: it will only make a conf file at some other place you can try and look at |
| 02:03.56 | stew | kyncani: and then? |
| 02:04.19 | kyncani | stew: then you can feed debconf the correct settings for xfree ? |
| 02:04.20 | Solet | stew i had to do my monitor by myself... so it has settings that the dpkg-reconfigure didnt even list.... |
| 02:05.17 | Solet | ok how about this... its on /dev/psaux and its an intellimouse it has a scroll wheel that is also a third button... what settings do i want... |
| 02:05.27 | kyncani | Solet: you may try X -configure and look at its detected settings |
| 02:05.28 | stew | Solet: use /dev/input/mice |
| 02:05.50 | Solet | wha? |
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| 02:06.11 | walnuck | Solet, if youre' still pissin and s**in, you can always do it like a madman- for a test with cat /dev/psaux and move the mouse in console |
| 02:06.16 | Overand | what's the lyre mirror http addy, just http://lyre.mit.edu/debian ? |
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| 02:06.57 | Solet | walnuck i didnt understand a word you just said |
| 02:07.13 | Solet | and i cant do x -configure while the xserver is running |
| 02:07.14 | walnuck | Solet, i'm a madman-> do the console! |
| 02:07.31 | Solet | wtf do you mean by 'do the console' |
| 02:07.33 | walnuck | Solet, ahem, I meant to be polite, if it didn't make sense is because I was trying to curse you! |
| 02:07.46 | stew | Solet: or apt-get install mdetect and run mdetect as root |
| 02:07.49 | walnuck | Solet, ncurses rules! |
| 02:07.51 | mattmm | any input to removing the mysqld.sock |
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| 02:08.02 | Solet | i did |
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| 02:08.09 | MobyTurbo | @troll walnuck |
| 02:08.17 | Solet | it returns /dev/psaux intellimouse i already told you that |
| 02:08.22 | debian | @troll ravenbird |
| 02:08.31 | walnuck | MobyTurbo, update the bot you troll |
| 02:08.36 | pipeline | @lart ravenbird |
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| 02:08.58 | stew | Solet: then use /dev/input/mice and IMPS/2 |
| 02:09.00 | Overand | nice scroll. really |
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| 02:09.58 | walnuck | MobyTurbo, if you think you can "oopy" better than most hackers, then dam you show me the bot to setup routers..jackass |
| 02:10.30 | FieldySnuts | ~lart ravenbird |
| 02:10.40 | Solet | option "device" "/dev/input/mice" | option "protocol" "IMPS/2" |
| 02:10.40 | Solet | ? |
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| 02:11.36 | walnuck | jackass-> MSAccess is an application with a goddam database builtwithin, and who the f** is playing crap on this bot...thanks for no help! jackass |
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| 02:11.47 | stew | Solet: yes and Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" \n Option "Buttons" "7" |
| 02:11.48 | walnuck | and that's to the nutbot teller |
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| 02:11.59 | stew | Solet: err s/7/5/ |
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| 02:12.08 | saigon | son |
| 02:12.09 | saigon | of |
| 02:12.10 | saigon | a |
| 02:12.11 | saigon | fuck |
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| 02:12.22 | MobyTurbo | !tell saigon -about enter |
| 02:12.33 | Solet | rofl |
| 02:13.17 | Solet | might i ask what the s/7/5 means? |
| 02:13.25 | saigon | heh |
| 02:13.26 | ixi | resiak: well, I found what switched my console. It was console-cyrillic which tried to use 16-size font while its not available in mode which I selected. |
| 02:13.34 | stew | Solet: substitute 5 for 7 |
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| 02:13.55 | saigon | or wantever their 1 hit was.. |
| 02:14.09 | saigon | anyone else having trouble reacing the debian website? |
| 02:14.28 | Solet | and why are we telling it that my 3 button mouse has 5 buttons? |
| 02:14.46 | saigon | i have a 34 button mouse |
| 02:14.52 | stew | Solet: the wheel is 2 buttons |
| 02:14.58 | Solet | aha |
| 02:14.58 | saigon | its also got training wheels and an attached blender |
| 02:15.15 | stew | Solet: possibly three if its clickable |
| 02:15.24 | Overand | ifconfig eth0 down up doesn't seem to re-hash the interface entirely (ala reload the settings from /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 02:15.27 | Overand | how can i do this? |
| 02:15.42 | Solet | yeah its clickable |
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| 02:16.29 | stew | Solet: then its 3 clicks plus 2 for the scrolling == 5. when you scroll its really just sending button4 and button5 clicks |
| 02:16.37 | saigon | no ... but make-kpkg is making me loopy |
| 02:17.20 | ixi | what means 'loopy'? %) |
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| 02:17.40 | Overand | insane, nuts, bizarre |
| 02:17.42 | saigon | ixi: like ... crazy |
| 02:17.46 | Solte | still doesnt work |
| 02:17.47 | ixi | saigon: ah, ok |
| 02:17.48 | Overand | yeah or 'crazy' |
| 02:17.48 | Overand | heh |
| 02:18.14 | ixi | saigon: as for me make-kpkg is perfect :) |
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| 02:18.56 | Solte | stew: could option "SendCoreEvents" "true" be messing it up? |
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| 02:19.04 | saigon | ixi: could you help me with something then? |
| 02:19.13 | stew | Solte: no |
| 02:19.22 | stew | Solte: do you have gpm running? |
| 02:19.23 | ixi | saigon: lets try |
| 02:19.44 | stew | Solte: when you cat /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice and move the mouse do you see junk on the screen? |
| 02:19.53 | saigon | ixi: i configured the kernel and it compiled fine, but when it started to install it, it failed with this message: |
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| 02:20.02 | Solte | cat? |
| 02:20.14 | Solte | no when i move the mouse it doesnt move |
| 02:20.21 | saigon | ixi: "cp: 'debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11': specified destination directory does not exist" |
| 02:20.26 | Solte | i know the mouse works cause it works on this machine |
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| 02:20.56 | stew | Solte: is this a 2.6 kernel? do you have mousedev and psmouse loaded? |
| 02:20.58 | xlogik | Can someone help me with the following error: ./linux_client: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_image-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:21.00 | saigon | ixi: it was trying to do this: "cp arch/i386 /boot/bzImage /debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11" |
| 02:21.45 | Solte | neither mousedev nor psmouse are loaded... |
| 02:21.57 | saigon | ixi: i was going to just install the new kernel image by hand, since its there, but i was trying to get make-kpkg do it just to keep my system 'debianized' |
| 02:22.05 | Solte | i dont think its on kernel 2.6 i think its 2.4 but i cant remember |
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| 02:22.09 | saigon | ixi: any idea why it failed? |
| 02:22.13 | kingsley | xlogik: Which program reported the error? |
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| 02:22.29 | stew | Solte: uname -r |
| 02:22.32 | xlogik | i'm trying play cube |
| 02:22.33 | ixi | saigon: whow exactly you used make-kpkg? What commands you issued? |
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| 02:23.16 | Solte | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 02:23.22 | stew | !idepci |
| 02:23.23 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes greycat cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 02:23.24 | kingsley | xlogik: have you searched google's archives for that error message? |
| 02:23.37 | deadcat | i cant seem to find CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS in 2.6.11 |
| 02:23.47 | saigon | erm ... i got the package, went into directory and did: "make menuconfig" ... after configured, i did "make-kpkg clean", then after that i did "make-kpkg --revision=custom.0.1 kernel_image" |
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| 02:24.20 | saigon | ixi: the actual compile went fine, but all the stuff that the scripts do to install the new kernel is where the process failed |
| 02:24.24 | RaCarter | what's the file that I have to edit if I want a system variable to present for all users? |
| 02:24.25 | ixi | saigon: correct (at least thats what I do almost everyday) |
| 02:24.26 | Solte | updating the kernel i use wont jack my installation will it? |
| 02:24.42 | stew | Solte: no, it will finish your installation |
| 02:24.44 | RaCarter | *to be present |
| 02:24.52 | saigon | ixi: it works for you fine? |
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| 02:24.54 | RaCarter | to exist |
| 02:25.05 | Solte | ok... and is the fact that i am on an apparently crappy kernel the reason my mouse wont work? |
| 02:25.27 | RaCarter | I think mouse should work on any kernel |
| 02:25.29 | ixi | saigon: yes. Then I do dpkg -i kernel-image-blah-blah... and it installs |
| 02:25.42 | xlogik | kingsley: solved, thanx |
| 02:25.56 | ixi | saigon: do you have /boot and enought free space there? |
| 02:25.56 | saigon | ixi: yep, thats what im used to ... but its failing before the dpkg -i kernel-image-blah part |
| 02:25.59 | RaCarter | isn't there a way to edit mouse settings in XF86Config ? |
| 02:26.10 | saigon | ixi: hrmm... hold on, lemme check |
| 02:26.11 | kingsley | xlogik: OK |
| 02:26.15 | Solte | RaCarter we've been working on that... |
| 02:26.20 | Solte | it wont work tho |
| 02:26.31 | RaCarter | apt-get install kernel-image-something something |
| 02:26.41 | RaCarter | kernel-binary |
| 02:26.43 | RaCarter | something like that |
| 02:26.49 | ixi | saigon: before?? You mean you got this message on make-kpkg stage? |
| 02:26.49 | Solte | i cant atm... no net on the machine need to get wifi card... too broke |
| 02:26.57 | saigon | ixi: yep |
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| 02:27.20 | saigon | ixi: i got the message during the "make-kpkg --revision=blahblahblah kernel_image" stage |
| 02:27.31 | ixi | saigon: have you enough perms to write into ./debian? |
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| 02:27.43 | saigon | ixi: running everything as root.. |
| 02:28.20 | ixi | saigon: delete ./debian and retry i believe |
| 02:28.33 | ixi | saigon: and don't forget make-kpkg clean |
| 02:28.50 | saigon | ixi: alright, ill give that a shot ... the targed computer is just a 200mhz, so ill give you an update in like a half hour ;) |
| 02:28.58 | saigon | targed = target |
| 02:28.58 | ixi | :) |
| 02:29.28 | ixi | saigon: my home computer do that in 27 minutes... too long comparing to work's one - only 7 minutes :P |
| 02:30.26 | ixi | saigon: well, hth, need to sleep for some hours now :) |
| 02:30.40 | saigon | ixi: thanks for the suggestion .. sleep well |
| 02:30.42 | saigon | :) |
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| 02:31.40 | loren | someone say my name plz |
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| 02:31.51 | zignig | loren: no |
| 02:32.04 | loren | thanks lol, ok higlighting works in mirc |
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| 02:33.19 | saigon | yum :d |
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| 02:34.54 | travisat | mmkay |
| 02:35.25 | travisat | hubcaps are tasty |
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| 02:38.09 | techlife | any ideas what the command is for upgrading just an individual package instead of all packages? |
| 02:38.18 | mithro | hi! i'm having trouble installing mysql-server-4.1, is it currently broken in unstable? |
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| 02:39.53 | Temp[Away] | can anyone help me with a debian (woody) problem that im having? i just finished installing. |
| 02:40.03 | travisat | techlife: apt-get install foo, should update foo |
| 02:40.07 | zignig | saigon: watch out for 'bits' in the oil sump. |
| 02:40.46 | saigon | :) |
| 02:40.47 | bob2 | Temp[Away]: not unless you ask! |
| 02:40.52 | techlife | so when you run that command if the package is already installed on your system it will upgrade it? |
| 02:40.58 | Temp[Away] | well it's an error with startx |
| 02:41.06 | mithro | i'm getting a "mysql got signal 11" |
| 02:41.07 | Temp[Away] | can i paste it in #flood? |
| 02:41.16 | bob2 | Temp[Away]: sure |
| 02:41.33 | bob2 | but the solution to most "X on woody" problems will be "upgrade to sarge |
| 02:41.35 | bob2 | " |
| 02:41.39 | Temp[Away] | heh |
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| 02:41.46 | Temp[Away] | i cant, i doubt mine would run it |
| 02:41.54 | Temp[Away] | old machine |
| 02:42.05 | Temp[Away] | ten years or so old |
| 02:42.07 | bob2 | sarge's requirements aren't any higher than woody's |
| 02:42.10 | bob2 | except for the installer |
| 02:42.22 | bob2 | (ram, 32MB vs 8MB) |
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| 02:42.34 | Temp[Away] | i have 48 |
| 02:42.40 | Temp[Away] | it's OLD |
| 02:42.46 | Temp[Away] | thus why i retired it to Linux |
| 02:42.51 | silverton | damn Temp[Away], your box is leet |
| 02:42.53 | Temp[Away] | well, dug it out for Linux |
| 02:43.15 | bob2 | sarge'll run just about as well as woody |
| 02:43.23 | bob2 | and be less annoying to get X working on it |
| 02:43.43 | Tempus2 | well seeing as i just spent hours getting woody to install |
| 02:43.58 | silverton | Tempus2, I want to see you compile gentoo on that beast |
| 02:44.09 | MobyTurbo | !tell Tempus2 about woody->sarge |
| 02:44.40 | ShadowMaster1 | Help... I had a working (kind of) system running a kernal 2.2.?, and did an apt-get upgrade to a 2.6 kernal. Now, neither of my network cards (one MB and one 3com) seem to show up. I'm a newbie, so be gentle, but I could really use some help as I am stumped to know where to look next. |
| 02:44.55 | Tempus2 | MobyTurbo, that bot makes no sense, lol |
| 02:45.02 | bob2 | ShadowMaster1: PCI cards? |
| 02:45.02 | ShadowMaster1 | there are both definded in the networks conf file. |
| 02:45.05 | silverton | ShadowMaster1, apt-get a new kernel |
| 02:45.11 | bob2 | silverton: how would that help? |
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| 02:45.21 | silverton | newer kernel == more hardware support ? |
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| 02:45.30 | ShadowMaster1 | bob2: 1 PCI, one on the MB. All show up during the post screen. |
| 02:45.32 | bob2 | he/she has a newer kernel |
| 02:45.41 | bob2 | ShadowMaster1: try installing "hotplug" and rebooting |
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| 02:45.46 | silverton | oh, lol |
| 02:45.48 | bob2 | ShadowMaster1: it should pick them up automatically |
| 02:45.50 | MobyTurbo | Tempus2: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all "stable" or "woody" to sarge, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:45.52 | silverton | thought s/he said needed to apt-get one |
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| 02:45.58 | bob2 | tho, the ordering may have been reversed |
| 02:46.00 | ShadowMaster1 | kind of hard to apt-get a new kernal when I have no networking.. |
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| 02:46.34 | ShadowMaster1 | Bob2: Yes, that was what I thought too.. I figured theyw ould be auto deteced. Now all I have is the loop back showing. |
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| 02:46.51 | Tempus2 | okay ill give that a shot |
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| 02:47.19 | bob2 | ShadowMaster1: the kernel doesn't care about doing that sort of thing, that's what hotplug is for |
| 02:47.30 | ShadowMaster1 | bob2: WHat is hot plug, and how do I install it? |
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| 02:47.47 | bob2 | ShadowMaster1: a package, and the same was as any other package |
| 02:47.54 | bob2 | if you have no net access, you're probably screwed |
| 02:47.57 | bob2 | so reboot into 2.2 and install it |
| 02:48.12 | ShadowMaster1 | without a network, I guess I'm stumped. Can I get them on a windows box and then write them to CD? |
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| 02:48.49 | ShadowMaster1 | ok, hold on... Your saying boot 2.2, install hotplug then go into 2.6? Sounds easy enogh.. Is that right?? |
| 02:48.54 | Tempus2 | MobyTurbo, ALL instances of those two words? |
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| 02:48.59 | MobyTurbo | Tempus2: all |
| 02:49.02 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 02:49.04 | bob2 | ShadowMaster1: yes |
| 02:49.07 | Tempus2 | so if i did the VI equivilent to find and replace itd work? |
| 02:49.09 | vladste_ | PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A 1.03 (/dev/hdc, ) at /media/cdrom0 [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM; DVD-ROM; DVD-R] [Error] [None] |
| 02:49.12 | vladste_ | this is the error I get from k3b |
| 02:49.16 | ShadowMaster1 | ok, I'll try that.. back in a few.. |
| 02:49.25 | MobyTurbo | Tempus2: except third party apt sources, some of those could be problematic and you need to delete them |
| 02:49.25 | douglas | Does anyone know of a disk checking utility in linux that is capable of checking ntfs partitions ? |
| 02:49.39 | bob2 | douglas: I'd be pretty surprised if there was one |
| 02:49.48 | vladste_ | is there something in the fstab I can alter to get this to work? |
| 02:49.52 | douglas | bob2, thanks |
| 02:49.52 | Tempus2 | MobyTurbo, oh goody this should be fun then |
| 02:49.53 | bob2 | douglas: afaik, no one in the linux world knows enough about ntfs to do that |
| 02:50.00 | Tempus2 | gonna take forever to edit this |
| 02:50.04 | MobyTurbo | Tempus2: editing isn't the only step of course, to make the update take you'll need to run apt-get update, and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:50.06 | douglas | bob2, I guess I'll have to boot into windows :( |
| 02:50.07 | bob2 | vladste_: no, fstab has nothing to do it |
| 02:50.12 | douglas | g'day. |
| 02:50.12 | burnt-toast | MobyTurbo: i would suggest against partition checking on ntfs from linux |
| 02:50.18 | vladste_ | ok |
| 02:50.19 | MobyTurbo | Tempus2: :%s/stable/sarge/ |
| 02:50.21 | Tempus2 | yea i got that much |
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| 02:50.33 | burnt-toast | MobyTurbo: use the recovery console for whatever install you have on there |
| 02:50.33 | MobyTurbo | burnt-toast: huh? |
| 02:50.39 | Tempus2 | that's emacs though isnt it? does VI do that? |
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| 02:50.49 | burnt-toast | MobyTurbo: sorry wrong name |
| 02:50.51 | MobyTurbo | burnt-toast: I don't even have a Windows partition |
| 02:51.14 | burnt-toast | douglas that was for you |
| 02:51.15 | vladste_ | so how do I get k3b to read the disk? |
| 02:51.17 | bob2 | Tempus2: no, that's vi syntax |
| 02:51.19 | MobyTurbo | Tempus2: that's how vi does it |
| 02:51.23 | Tempus2 | oh nice |
| 02:51.26 | bob2 | vladste_: try #debian-kde |
| 02:51.30 | Tempus2 | brb |
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| 02:51.52 | bob2 | in emacs it would be M-x replace-regexp<enter>stable<enter>sarge<enter> |
| 02:51.52 | suzzi | howdy all |
| 02:52.13 | suzzi | is there anything special that I need to install to tunnle NFS via SSH or should I just look to Samba via SSH? |
| 02:52.21 | MobyTurbo | bob2: emacs makes me feel like I need "M-x doctor" |
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| 02:52.45 | bob2 | suzzi: sfs.sf.net |
| 02:52.50 | bob2 | tho, both are sickening |
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| 02:53.11 | Tempus2 | it didnt find "woody" in here, so i guess im done |
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| 02:53.35 | bob2 | probably not |
| 02:53.35 | MobyTurbo | Tempus2: done editing that, not done with the whole process, as I'd mentioned. |
| 02:53.35 | suzzi | bob2 what would you sugesst then? I have a debian server that I need to have a section shared as a drive on OSX. |
| 02:53.43 | bob2 | it probably says stable instead of woody |
| 02:53.51 | ruski | anyone here having any joy with evolution 2.2 + evolution-exchange ? I just can not see the exchange account option when trying to add my exchange details to the new accounts |
| 02:53.56 | Tempus2 | right |
| 02:53.59 | Tempus2 | gotta run a few commands |
| 02:54.52 | ShadowMaster1 | bob2: I tried to boot the 2.2, and it gave me a kernal panic.. something about not finding a "boot=" on the Lilo line.. and now I can't reproduce it because Lilo is insiting on only loading the 2.6 |
| 02:54.55 | suzzi | bob2: that link doesnt lead to anything. is this what you were refering to? http://www.fs.net/sfswww/ |
| 02:55.25 | bob2 | suzzi: maybe, I dunno. some terrible nfs over ssh hack |
| 02:55.28 | bob2 | ShadowMaster1: ok |
| 02:55.57 | vladste_ | nobody is in there |
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| 02:56.07 | suzzi | bob2: the link that I found is the Self-Certifying File System DARPA project... looks kinda intersting |
| 02:56.18 | bob2 | vladste_: please don't lie |
| 02:56.32 | Tempus2 | okay running the dist-upgrade now, just finished the other one |
| 02:56.45 | seba | do you know about knows problem between grub and USB keyboard in Sarge? |
| 02:57.01 | bob2 | I really doubt that's a grub problem |
| 02:57.10 | bob2 | since grub doesn't run on linux |
| 02:57.15 | Tempus2 | oh lord it's gonna have to download like crazy isnt it? |
| 02:57.16 | bob2 | and has no usb code of it's own |
| 02:57.22 | Tempus2 | yea, i cant do that |
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| 02:57.44 | Tempus2 | im gonna have go download the CDs or fix woody, no sarge for me |
| 02:57.47 | seba | bob2: because works fine before grub and stop after it |
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| 02:58.00 | bob2 | seba: no way anyone can help you, sorry |
| 02:58.04 | bob2 | give way more details |
| 02:58.21 | bob2 | do you mean "Up until the grub menu comes up, my usb keyboard works. As soon as linux starts booting, it stops working"? |
| 02:58.22 | silverton | anyone know how to kill a process that doesn't how up in a "ps aux" or a "top" ? |
| 02:58.41 | seba | bob2: yes |
| 02:58.48 | jsturgis | is there an app that lets you software lock your computer when you are not using it? |
| 02:58.58 | jsturgis | for enlightenment/gnome |
| 02:58.59 | servus | KDE comes with it. |
| 02:59.06 | pipeline | jsturgis: xscreensaver |
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| 02:59.15 | bob2 | seba: did you compile your oen kernel? |
| 02:59.24 | jsturgis | pipeline: thx |
| 02:59.25 | bob2 | silverton: then it doesn't exist |
| 02:59.32 | bob2 | silverton: or your machine has been rooted and it's time to reinstall |
| 02:59.32 | servus | Start -> Lock Session for me, in KDE. Check for that, bob2. |
| 02:59.40 | d0s4gw | anyone care to help me? im trying to configure xfree86 on a geforce4 |
| 02:59.46 | Biggs | hi can someone help me with a usb mouse that stops working after awhile, while my touchpad still works.. |
| 02:59.48 | silverton | .... well, it's boinc that I'm trying to run, and I killed it, and am trying to run it again |
| 02:59.54 | bob2 | d0s4gw: you need to give more details |
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| 02:59.55 | silverton | but it says there is another process already running |
| 03:00.06 | bob2 | silverton: that means it left a lock file around |
| 03:00.09 | d0s4gw | ok, im running sarge, im in x right now, but the drivers arent right |
| 03:00.18 | bob2 | silverton: try "find /var/ | grep -i boinc" |
| 03:00.19 | seba | bob2: yes, the kernel support USB keyboards, and hotplug detect the keyboard... but in the moment that the kernel start load, the keyboard died |
| 03:00.24 | silverton | bob2, where might I hunt this lock file... okay, thank you |
| 03:00.25 | bob2 | d0s4gw: "not right"? |
| 03:00.26 | d0s4gw | the max res i can run is 800x600, but my monitor does 1280x1024 |
| 03:00.41 | silverton | bob2, nothin |
| 03:00.55 | bob2 | seba: the keyboard won't do anything from the time grub boots the kernel until userspace starts |
| 03:01.04 | bob2 | silverton: ok |
| 03:01.08 | d0s4gw | during the config i selected nv as the driver |
| 03:01.29 | silverton | d0s4gw, you need to install the nvidia drivers then |
| 03:01.30 | seba | bob2: caps lock screen not work |
| 03:01.48 | d0s4gw | silverton, through apt? |
| 03:01.57 | silverton | from nvidia's website |
| 03:02.03 | d0s4gw | k, thanks |
| 03:02.05 | d0s4gw | i'll try it now |
| 03:02.21 | bob2 | silverton: please don't spread crap |
| 03:02.23 | bob2 | no, you do not need the non-free drivers |
| 03:02.33 | silverton | how are they non-free? |
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| 03:02.44 | silverton | ohhh, not open source, right? |
| 03:02.47 | d0s4gw | bob2, what do you suggest? |
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| 03:05.24 | d0s4gw | bob2, do you suggest drivers other than what i can get from nvidia |
| 03:05.32 | bob2 | of course not |
| 03:05.41 | bob2 | I suggest configurring X properly |
| 03:05.49 | bob2 | and filing a bug on X because it didn't do it automatically |
| 03:05.50 | silverton | doh! |
| 03:05.52 | d0s4gw | and i do that how... |
| 03:05.56 | d0s4gw | oh |
| 03:06.01 | bob2 | bugs.debian.org |
| 03:06.10 | silverton | lol bob2, are you kidding me?! |
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| 03:06.21 | bob2 | who are you and why are you so annoying? |
| 03:06.22 | Biggs | quit |
| 03:06.23 | Biggs | exit |
| 03:06.35 | d0s4gw | all i really care about is getting it working on my comp |
| 03:06.53 | seba | bob2: do you say that isnt a grub problem? |
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| 03:07.11 | bob2 | seba: yes, I'm pretty damn sure it's unrelated to grub |
| 03:07.13 | silverton | d0s4gw, you can edit your XF86Config-4 file manually and add in the resoltuions to want, but you won't have 3d acceleration |
| 03:07.23 | silverton | *resolutions you want |
| 03:08.10 | furrywolf | hrmm. got a new box today. has 4 rdram slots. contains 2 64mb RIMMs and 1 CRIMM. 1 slot is empty. why do I have a feeling this might explain the lack of a POST? blah! |
| 03:08.11 | Glitch_Master | I'm having serious connection problems for no apparent reason. According to this Westell DSL router/modem thingy, the connection is running fine, but any address will not load, no matter what browser I'm using, and it took seven tries to find irc.debian.org. |
| 03:08.18 | d0s4gw | is that preferable to getting the nvidia drivers? |
| 03:08.44 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: are you running bittorrent? |
| 03:08.56 | Glitch_Master | bob2: of course not. Nothing is hogging bandwidth. It should be free. |
| 03:09.12 | silverton | d0s4gw, if you get the nvidia drivers from the website, you'll have 3d acceleration, but you'll still have to manually enter your resolutions |
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| 03:09.22 | d0s4gw | hmm, ok |
| 03:09.26 | kteague | Debian is secksi |
| 03:09.33 | d0s4gw | where is that file? |
| 03:09.38 | a_monkey | so i just run dh_make and then the configure script and the makefile... blahty yachty... to install a debianified package? |
| 03:09.39 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: not bandwidth, connection slots |
| 03:09.45 | bob2 | a_monkey: er, no |
| 03:09.46 | Glitch_Master | Oh, look at that... |
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| 03:09.56 | Glitch_Master | It seems that thunderbird, despite being idle, was doing it. Odd. |
| 03:09.58 | bob2 | a_monkey: that would be how you'd package some random source thing from scratch |
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| 03:10.10 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 03:10.20 | a_monkey | bob2: package? |
| 03:10.26 | bob2 | a_monkey: it's a verb |
| 03:10.35 | a_monkey | bob2: you mean make a binary debian package out of it? |
| 03:10.38 | bob2 | "to convert something from a .tar.gz to a Debian source package |
| 03:10.39 | silverton | d0s4gw, you can get it from the nvidia website |
| 03:10.41 | bob2 | a_monkey: no, I don't |
| 03:10.42 | silverton | www.nvidia.com |
| 03:10.44 | Glitch_Master | I'll have to remember to not leave Thunderbird open anymore. :\ |
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| 03:11.00 | madclicker | how do i send a message from console as postmaster@mydomain.com? |
| 03:11.01 | a_monkey | bob2: hmm. a debian source package? |
| 03:11.02 | d0s4gw | right, i mean the xf86config file |
| 03:11.06 | bob2 | a_monkey: yes |
| 03:11.10 | bob2 | madclicker: use mutt |
| 03:11.11 | a_monkey | bob2: what's this? |
| 03:11.22 | bob2 | a_monkey: we've had more or less this conversation |
| 03:11.28 | silverton | oh, d0s4gw that is in /etc/X11 |
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| 03:11.40 | bob2 | a_monkey: http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/i/ifupdown/ |
| 03:11.47 | hdkiller | hello, im realy sorry about it, but anybody know a credit card payment provider in canada, what's easy to integrate into a _debian_ ;-) based web 'shopping' system? Please ignore my question if it's soo offtopic here, or suggest any other channel where can i ask that. :| Thank you! |
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| 03:11.55 | madclicker | bob2: roger |
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| 03:11.58 | bob2 | a_monkey: the .dsc, .diff.gz and .tar.gz form the source package |
| 03:11.58 | d0s4gw | danke |
| 03:12.38 | a_monkey | bob2: ok |
| 03:12.49 | a_monkey | bob2: and from this a binary can be built? |
| 03:12.50 | Glitch_Master | Thank you, despite your lack of help. Keep a mental note- Thunderbird eats connections. |
| 03:13.08 | bob2 | a_monkey: indeedy |
| 03:13.16 | Overand | i'm having an issue with apt-proxy. any time i try to fetch the mpc package, the client stops at 'waiting for headers' |
| 03:13.21 | a_monkey | bob2: kool... just one more question |
| 03:13.21 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: yay for being a dick |
| 03:13.28 | a_monkey | bob2: how would i do this? |
| 03:13.34 | a_monkey | bob2: dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 03:13.40 | bob2 | a_monkey: build binaries from the source package? |
| 03:13.48 | a_monkey | bob2: yup |
| 03:13.50 | Glitch_Master | bob2: No, I didn't mean it that way... I meant thanks, even though you couldn't help me, I appreciate your effort... |
| 03:14.16 | bob2 | a_monkey: download all 3 to a dir, "dpkg-source foo.dsc", cd into the source, "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" |
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| 03:14.21 | Overand | what's an odd app i can install that's probably not already in my cache? |
| 03:14.31 | silverton | w32codecs |
| 03:14.31 | bob2 | a_monkey: you need to have "fakeroot", "dpkg-dev" and "build-essential" installed |
| 03:14.32 | silverton | ? |
| 03:14.33 | silverton | :X |
| 03:14.41 | bob2 | a_monkey: and the build-deps for the source packagfe |
| 03:15.18 | a_monkey | hmmm |
| 03:15.35 | a_monkey | i think it would be easier to just install gdesklets into /usr/local |
| 03:15.49 | a_monkey | and not deal with debian packages :P |
| 03:15.56 | a_monkey | me too lazy |
| 03:15.57 | madclicker | bob2: i cant find anything in mutt that would alow me to use "postmaster@mydomain.com" |
| 03:16.09 | d0s4gw | what on earth is a color depth of 1 |
| 03:16.11 | a_monkey | bob2: thanks for the help, though. :) |
| 03:16.18 | bob2 | madclicker: set from="blah@blah.com" |
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| 03:16.39 | glick | excuse me i need help with something of most urgent priority! |
| 03:16.49 | glick | my offensive fortunes arnt working! |
| 03:17.00 | stew | !hurry |
| 03:17.00 | glick | fortune -o says 'no fortunes available' |
| 03:17.00 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 03:17.09 | a_monkey | one more thing: can somebody recommend some sort of "extra" type of debian repositories? |
| 03:17.17 | madclicker | bob2: there is nothing in the man pages :( |
| 03:17.24 | bob2 | madclicker: man muttrc |
| 03:17.24 | a_monkey | that would include maybe a more up-to-date libgtop, and/or gD? |
| 03:17.26 | furrywolf | glick: install fortunes-off? |
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| 03:17.33 | bob2 | a_monkey: use sid |
| 03:17.34 | glick | yessss! |
| 03:17.40 | glick | thank you furrywolf ! |
| 03:17.45 | glick | now my system is complete |
| 03:17.56 | madclicker | bob2: ahh, so i need environment variables to be set , right? |
| 03:17.59 | a_monkey | bob2: you mean the sid repo? |
| 03:18.04 | bob2 | madclicker: no, set mutt options for it |
| 03:18.11 | a_monkey | bob2: or reinstall my os? |
| 03:18.15 | bob2 | a_monkey: the branch of debian called sid, yes |
| 03:18.30 | madclicker | bob2: i dig......i guess :) thx |
| 03:18.39 | a_monkey | bob2: kool |
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| 03:18.57 | Mariele | hola! |
| 03:19.12 | bob2 | madclicker: in ~/.muttrc, "set from=postmaster@blah.com" |
| 03:19.24 | bob2 | madclicker: oh, and set use_from=yes |
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| 03:20.25 | lunardi | Alguém do brasil ? |
| 03:20.32 | bob2 | !+br |
| 03:20.33 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:20.42 | Phoenix_Zero | hello all, I have a bit of a stupid noobie question. I know this is a debian channel but I know that debian and kubuntu are close cousins. I just did an install and set up a user account "phoenix" but it never had me set the root password. Now I cant seem to login as root |
| 03:20.52 | Phoenix_Zero | doI have to do a reinstall? |
| 03:21.01 | bob2 | #kubuntu |
| 03:21.04 | diego-sick | Phoenix_Zero, as your user: sudo passwd root |
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| 03:21.06 | bob2 | also, you didn't read the faq |
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| 03:21.17 | travisat | Phoenix_Zero: kubunto doesn't do root |
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| 03:21.18 | diego-sick | diego-sick, and of course, #kubuntu |
| 03:21.21 | bob2 | plus, wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo |
| 03:21.23 | travisat | off the bat |
| 03:21.39 | yxa | if i screwed up my /etc/passwd and ssh doesnt let me connect, is there a way i can get in w/o physically going to the machine? |
| 03:21.45 | silverton | OMFG! |
| 03:21.50 | silverton | this is pissing me off |
| 03:22.03 | Phoenix_Zero | wait,travisat: is my user account the equivelent of root then? |
| 03:22.12 | travisat | Phoenix_Zero: no, you use sude |
| 03:22.13 | bob2 | Phoenix_Zero: no |
| 03:22.20 | bob2 | Phoenix_Zero: please just read the wiki page |
| 03:22.22 | bob2 | Phoenix_Zero: or the faq |
| 03:22.26 | mithro | yxa: call somebody to access the machine for you? |
| 03:22.46 | Phoenix_Zero | travisat: so whenever I want to do a root command I have to do su or sudo? and what pass do I use if I never was given the option to set one? |
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| 03:23.09 | silverton | How do I kill all processes without restarting the computer? |
| 03:23.17 | travisat | Phoenix_Zero: read the damn wiki. man sudo. and you can't use su if you don't have a root passwd |
| 03:23.43 | bob2 | silverton: think about what that means |
| 03:24.04 | Phoenix_Zero | travisat: sorry if I seem stupid, Ive just never been in a non-root environment when under linux |
| 03:24.09 | yxa | mithro there isn't any |
| 03:24.09 | burnt-toast | silverton to drop to single user mode type init 2 |
| 03:24.25 | travisat | Phoenix_Zero: I think non-root enivroments don't make any sense either |
| 03:24.26 | bob2 | burnt-toast: not on Debian |
| 03:24.27 | versuchsanstalt | silverton: you don't necessarily want to kill all of them |
| 03:24.28 | burnt-toast | and back is init 5 (on this machine anyways) |
| 03:24.58 | silverton | I want to kill all non-vital ones |
| 03:24.58 | bob2 | silverton: what are you trying to acheive |
| 03:24.58 | bob2 | ? |
| 03:24.58 | Phoenix_Zero | travisat: well I have to learn this distro for a class.. |
| 03:24.58 | silverton | to kill a process which to my knowledge, isn't running |
| 03:25.08 | Phoenix_Zero | so is my user automatically added to the sudo group then? |
| 03:25.18 | travisat | Phoenix_Zero: slap your teacher |
| 03:25.18 | burnt-toast | ps -aux | grep <process-name> |
| 03:25.20 | Phoenix_Zero | and what about programs that REQUIRE su or root? |
| 03:25.27 | stew | Phoenix_Zero: #kubuntu |
| 03:25.28 | bob2 | Phoenix_Zero: dude, READ THE DAM NWIKI |
| 03:25.35 | bob2 | Phoenix_Zero: this is all explained |
| 03:25.35 | diego-sick | Phoenix_Zero, listen bob2 |
| 03:25.39 | bob2 | also, you're not using Debian |
| 03:25.42 | versuchsanstalt | silverton: can you see it with ps, top or pidof? |
| 03:25.43 | Phoenix_Zero | bob/stew: pardon me, I dont know what a wiki is |
| 03:25.44 | silverton | burnt-toast, tried it, over, and over, and over |
| 03:25.49 | silverton | I don't see it with ps, or top |
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| 03:26.00 | silverton | and I don't even know what pidof is |
| 03:26.05 | Overand | ok, why would apt-proxy hang when i try to install a certain package? |
| 03:26.06 | versuchsanstalt | silverton: do you know killall ? |
| 03:26.06 | a_monkey | bob2: sadly, sid has the same version of libgtop... :( |
| 03:26.08 | bob2 | Phoenix_Zero: then say that, instead of continuing to be off-topic. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo |
| 03:26.11 | d0s4gw | umm, how do i exit x and just go to a terminal |
| 03:26.17 | burnt-toast | silverton: if you get error about process running and it isnt for sure... you can delete the lockfile for it |
| 03:26.20 | bob2 | a_monkey: experimental then |
| 03:26.25 | Phoenix_Zero | bob2: thank you, and sorry if I was unclear |
| 03:26.29 | d0s4gw | i tried ctrl+alt+back, but it just restarted x |
| 03:26.31 | silverton | burnt-toast, I deleted the lockfile that was in the directory |
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| 03:26.38 | silverton | but it didn't help |
| 03:26.42 | versuchsanstalt | silverton: kill actually sends a signal. you can choose that signal too. so there's different kinds of killing a process, if you want. |
| 03:26.43 | burnt-toast | silverton: which program is giving you beef? |
| 03:26.48 | silverton | BOINC |
| 03:27.04 | a_monkey | bob2: sorry, i don't understand. |
| 03:27.04 | bluefox83 | how can i make debian write a timestamped entry into a log every time it restarts? |
| 03:27.14 | bob2 | a_monkey: /msg dpkg expermental |
| 03:27.27 | Phoenix_Zero | bob2/travisat: I see it clearly now. Thank you for your patience |
| 03:27.28 | bob2 | bluefox83: ? the obvious way: add an init script which does that. |
| 03:27.29 | furrywolf | blue: that likely already goes in syslog, messages, ... |
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| 03:27.40 | bob2 | bluefox83: or modify an existing one |
| 03:27.50 | optik` | anyone have any advice for upgrading a motherboard, without needing to install the OS again.. will the generic debian kernel still operate normally? along with all the other software ? |
| 03:27.59 | alephone | it should |
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| 03:28.19 | bob2 | optik`: should do |
| 03:28.33 | bluefox83 | furrywolf, what syslog? |
| 03:28.40 | travisat | which init kills X? |
| 03:28.50 | optik` | will it automatically find the right hd's for the right /devices etc ? |
| 03:28.51 | stew | bluefox83: type last. does that help? |
| 03:29.05 | bob2 | optik`: nope, you'll need to fix /etc/fstab yourself |
| 03:29.08 | travisat | init 1 drops me into single user mode |
| 03:29.20 | Phoenix_Zero | optik: hell, mine detects the primary IDE master as hdi |
| 03:29.35 | bob2 | Phoenix_Zero: is it on a pci ide card? |
| 03:29.37 | bluefox83 | stew, holly crap! there's over a dozen crashes in that! |
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| 03:29.46 | optik` | ok bob |
| 03:29.50 | optik` | thanks |
| 03:29.52 | alephone | does anyone know how to setup ldap? |
| 03:29.55 | Phoenix_Zero | bob2: nope, its the builtin IDE |
| 03:30.07 | optik` | if i make sure i plug them in, in the right place, then it should select the right dev numbers |
| 03:30.07 | ecliptik | I have an older RC install of sarge, how do I set grub to be the bootloader instead of lilo? |
| 03:30.10 | bob2 | alephone: find a howto |
| 03:30.17 | bob2 | ecliptik: install it, remove lilo |
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| 03:30.32 | ecliptik | alephone, good luck, I looked for LDAP Debian howtos all day yesterday and got jack |
| 03:30.35 | travisat | you don't have to remove lilo to use grub... |
| 03:30.37 | alephone | bob2: do you know of a howto specific to the debian package? |
| 03:30.38 | alephone | aw crap |
| 03:30.39 | pipeline | ecliptik: Make sure that after you install grub, you run the grub-install script |
| 03:30.44 | alephone | that's the problem im having |
| 03:30.47 | ecliptik | pipeline, alrite, thank you |
| 03:30.48 | bob2 | alephone: what do you want to do with it? |
| 03:30.48 | franck | how can i upgrade a debian installation online? |
| 03:30.54 | franck | hi all btw... |
| 03:31.04 | bob2 | franck: more details |
| 03:31.06 | pipeline | alephone: OpenLDAP on Debian is broken as hell. You're better off compiling from source or finding unofficial packages. |
| 03:31.18 | bob2 | openldap on Debian as worked fine for me |
| 03:31.21 | santiago | hi, I have a machine running kernel-image-2.4.18-1-586tsc, it's a amd k6, and I want to install a kernel 2.6 image, what kernel-image-2.6.8 package should work on that machine? (there isn't -586tsc for the 2.6.8) |
| 03:31.21 | alephone | i just want to set up local authentication for some php pages, samba and irc |
| 03:31.25 | Phoenix_Zero | bob2: I notice however that I have some IDE RAID connectors available (though unused) and a PCI IDE card installed (unused) perhaps the system detects those first? |
| 03:31.32 | bluefox83 | franck, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:31.34 | franck | upgrade to sarge that is? I now mandrake, usually I put a CD in... but here I do not have access to CD drive |
| 03:31.40 | bob2 | Phoenix_Zero: could be, it's a kernel option |
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| 03:31.51 | bob2 | franck: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 03:31.58 | silverton | santiago, why are you running a 586 kernel when you should be running a k6 kernel ??? |
| 03:31.59 | bluefox83 | or that.. |
| 03:32.00 | foo | Anyone familiar with freeradius and pptp? Trying to get pam authentication working ... radiusd -X shows rlm_unix: Attribute "User-Password" is required for authentication. Two strange things I see in /var/log/messages are: rc_avpair_new: unknown attribute 11 and rc_avpair_new: unknown attribute 25. I think these all relate somehow. I've checked google and mailing lists... any ideas? |
| 03:32.11 | Phoenix_Zero | bob2: Im a bit new to passing commands to the kernel, could you show me a wiki on it or give a brief explanation? I would really appreciate it |
| 03:32.18 | bob2 | santiago: -386 |
| 03:32.24 | pipeline | bob2, alephone: The OpenLDAP people insist on using OpenSSL, which has a dumbfuck license. There was a patch-set to make OpenLDAP use gnutls instead of OpenSSL, but it's unmaintained. As a result, the version of OpenLDAP in Debian is really old -- the last version that has a working gnutls patchset. If you know what you're doing with OpenSSL and the gnutls OpenSSL-compat api, it wouldn't be that hard to update, but nobody's |
| 03:32.24 | pipeline | stood up to the plate yet. |
| 03:32.42 | bob2 | Phoenix_Zero: I don't believe it's something you can change at bootime. how is it causing a problem (aside from being a bit surprising)? |
| 03:32.44 | franck | bob2: thanks |
| 03:32.46 | santiago | silverton, i don't know, it is the one that the di installs in that box |
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| 03:33.03 | santiago | bob2, thanks, but why? |
| 03:33.05 | Phoenix_Zero | bob2: honestly its not, it just leaves me feeling uneasy (I guess Im not being too rational eh?) |
| 03:33.11 | bluefox83 | can i find out what caused the crashes listed in "last" ? |
| 03:33.23 | bob2 | santiago: 586tsc didn't give much of a boost, iirc, so they just dropped it |
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| 03:33.52 | bob2 | Phoenix_Zero: heh...it's probably possible to do some magic without recompiling, but I don't know it, sorry |
| 03:34.03 | santiago | bob2, ok, thanks again |
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| 03:36.06 | crashbg | here is a problem: under kde, i can use Logout->Shutdown to turn off the pc, but i can't do shutdown -h now or halt or poweroff because i'm not root - how can i shutdown the pc with command ? |
| 03:36.14 | alephone | pipeline: thanks for the help, i'll try compiling from source |
| 03:38.46 | a_monkey | hrm |
| 03:39.00 | a_monkey | experimental doesn't even have a newer version of libgtop |
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| 03:39.50 | mwilson | crashbg: man sudo |
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| 03:41.09 | yoc | how to change console into 53lines instead of 25 lines? |
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| 03:41.14 | Solte | whats the protocol for a PS/2 intellimouse? |
| 03:41.28 | bluefox83 | crashbg, why are you trying to shut down your pc if you don't have root access? |
| 03:41.32 | zignig | 2 |
| 03:42.24 | bluefox83 | whats an intellimouse? O.o |
| 03:42.32 | crashbg | bluefox83, i have root access, but i'm using another user |
| 03:42.57 | bluefox83 | crashbg, so open a terminal and log in as root and shut down.. |
| 03:43.02 | crashbg | and i'm trying to shutdown the notebook by my symbian phone |
| 03:43.06 | bluefox83 | s'what i always do >.> |
| 03:43.17 | crashbg | bluefox83, my cellphone send just one command |
| 03:43.40 | Phoenix_Zero | hmm,.,.here's something...my display resolution seems stuck at 640x480... |
| 03:43.56 | crashbg | and i have to figure out how to shut it down, sudo will do it i guess |
| 03:44.07 | yoc | how to change console into 53 lines instead of 25 lines? |
| 03:44.14 | bluefox83 | Phoenix_Zero, i had a similar problem when i switched monitors from a 15inch crt to a 19" lcd |
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| 03:44.28 | Phoenix_Zero | its a monitor thatn while running debian could do 1280 |
| 03:44.39 | Phoenix_Zero | but I switched to kubuntu for this stupid class |
| 03:44.48 | pabs3 | since I installed udev, /dev/null and other devices have bad permissions on reboot. any ideas on how to fix? |
| 03:44.52 | Phoenix_Zero | and now it wont go higher than 640 *480 (new install) |
| 03:44.52 | mwilson | Phoenix_Zero: Then ask in #ubuntu |
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| 03:45.22 | Phoenix_Zero | mwilson: I think its a lack of graphics card driver issue moreso than distro |
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| 03:45.23 | mwilson | (the likelyhood that some "class" would require you to install KUbuntu is approaching zero, btw) |
| 03:45.33 | bluefox83 | Phoenix_Zero, check and make sure your xfree86 config file is correct |
| 03:45.36 | mwilson | Phoenix_Zero: I'm sure you do. |
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| 03:45.51 | mwilson | Phoenix_Zero: Of course, that's why it doesn't work, now isn't it? |
| 03:46.05 | Phoenix_Zero | mwilson: call me a liar if you want, over the course of it we're installing, as he puts it "some of the most popular linux distributions" |
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| 03:46.33 | Phoenix_Zero | however, I dont really know how to install a graphics driver |
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| 03:46.48 | mwilson | Assuming, of course, that one is missing, which it isn't. |
| 03:47.02 | bluefox83 | ubuntu is not one of the most popular distrobutions, debian, slackware, and redhat are...i only recommend debian :) |
| 03:47.03 | Biggs | hi can someone help me with a usb mouse that stops working after 30 seconds or so and would not come back on but my touchpad would still work |
| 03:47.06 | Phoenix_Zero | how do you know it isnt missing? couldnt it just be using a stock driver |
| 03:47.12 | Phoenix_Zero | ? |
| 03:47.16 | d03boy | ive got a Dell Inspiron 8600 with the WXGA laptop monitor (default of 1280x800) and I'm having trouble finding the xf86config-4 stuff I need... could anyone help me out here? |
| 03:47.36 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 03:47.40 | bluefox83 | what "stuff"? |
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| 03:47.59 | mwilson | Phoenix_Zero: Because I know that KUbuntu is the 5.04 Ubuntu release (aka Hoary), and has the latest X.org with all the drivers. |
| 03:48.09 | mwilson | Phoenix_Zero: How do I know that? I bothered to look. |
| 03:48.24 | Phoenix_Zero | well I dont even know what x.org is |
| 03:48.30 | Phoenix_Zero | so if I had seen that it wouldnt have helped me |
| 03:48.39 | mwilson | But you think you can tell whether a driver is "missing" or not. |
| 03:48.49 | bluefox83 | X.org is an offshoot of xfree86 i think... |
| 03:48.50 | Phoenix_Zero | it was a guess, I was just offering up an idea |
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| 03:48.53 | Solte | whats the protocol for a PS/2 intellimouse? |
| 03:49.00 | stew | Phoenix_Zero: just go away already unless you have a #debian specific question, which you clearly do not |
| 03:49.03 | d0s4gw | please, someone tell me how to exit xwindows |
| 03:49.13 | d0s4gw | to a console |
| 03:49.20 | bluefox83 | d03boy, ctrl alt backspace |
| 03:49.24 | bluefox83 | or |
| 03:49.31 | d0s4gw | that just restarts x |
| 03:49.34 | stew | d0s4gw: ctrl-alt-backspace ; ctrl-altl-f2 would take you to a console without exiting |
| 03:49.42 | Phoenix_Zero | jesus chirst, sorry |
| 03:49.43 | d03boy | uh... me? |
| 03:49.44 | mwilson | Phoenix_Zero: You are running Ubuntu. Therefore, ask in #ubuntu. |
| 03:49.48 | d0s4gw | ha |
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| 03:49.59 | d03boy | oh, not me |
| 03:50.02 | d0s4gw | me |
| 03:50.04 | Phoenix_Zero | I thought they were supposedly a lot alike? |
| 03:50.05 | d0s4gw | nice nick |
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| 03:50.10 | d03boy | ya |
| 03:50.35 | stew | d0s4gw: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 03:50.38 | mwilson | So you would ask for support from something that was "like" what you were using, rather than from what you were actually using? |
| 03:50.47 | d0s4gw | its gdm |
| 03:50.50 | d0s4gw | and i tried that |
| 03:50.54 | bluefox83 | Phoenix_Zero, there's a lot of sticklers in here who wont offer support on debian "based" distros because they are only loosely based on it and change things that debian did not see fit to be included/changed |
| 03:50.59 | stew | d0s4gw: as root |
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| 03:51.06 | Phoenix_Zero | when I came to this channel I didnt know there was an ubuntu room |
| 03:51.11 | Phoenix_Zero | Im sorry I ever troubled you |
| 03:51.16 | stew | Phoenix_Zero: no you know, byebye |
| 03:51.17 | mwilson | You didn't look, you mean. |
| 03:51.18 | stew | now |
| 03:51.21 | bluefox83 | d0s4gw, try /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 03:51.22 | Phoenix_Zero | jackasses |
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| 03:51.27 | d0s4gw | debian:/etc/init.d# gdm stop |
| 03:51.27 | d0s4gw | gdm already running. Aborting! |
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| 03:52.02 | mwilson | d0s4gw: He told you to run the init script, not the binary. |
| 03:52.09 | stew | d0s4gw: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 03:52.19 | stew | d0s4gw: not just 'gdm stop' |
| 03:52.32 | stew | d0s4gw: hint: . isn't (and shouldn't be) in your path |
| 03:52.51 | mwilson | Gee, you think he did it right the second time? :) |
| 03:52.58 | bestadvocate | hazza for branden |
| 03:53.06 | wilbertoki | I untarred /etc/group /etc/passwd /etc/gshadow and /etc/shadow trying to replicate a server and now my authentication system is broken! I should have know the shadow passwords wouldnt be decrypted by the new machine, I have all of /etc/ for the old one can someone help me fix my system? |
| 03:53.14 | mwilson | Oh brother... now we have DPL trolls? |
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| 03:53.53 | d03boy | anyone good at config'ing xf86config-4 ? |
| 03:54.01 | d03boy | i dont know what to use for my modeliens and whatnot |
| 03:54.13 | mwilson | You don't use anything for your modelines. |
| 03:54.32 | mwilson | arg |
| 03:54.44 | Solte | stew: for this stupid mouse i'm fighting, for option "buttons" "s/7/5" does it have to be "s/7/5" or can it just be "5" |
| 03:54.46 | mwilson | (never get involved with people trying to break X) |
| 03:55.09 | greister | give me a address of fvwm |
| 03:55.10 | stew | Solte: just 5, s/7/5 is sed/ed/vi syntax for replace 7 with 5 |
| 03:55.14 | d03boy | i just want 1280x800 resolution like my monitor is supposed to have |
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| 03:55.15 | pipeline | d03boy: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" should be your mantra. Rinse and repeat. |
| 03:55.21 | d03boy | but by default i get 800x600 or less |
| 03:55.25 | hilikusss | best firewall? guarddog, firestarter, shoreline? |
| 03:55.30 | stew | Solte: becuase the first time i mistakenly told you 7, the s/7/5 was my way of saying 'i mean 5 not 7' |
| 03:55.45 | d03boy | pipeline, oh ok |
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| 03:56.01 | wilbertoki | where is the key stored to decrypt /etc/shadow? |
| 03:56.15 | simonrvn | uh |
| 03:56.25 | Solte | oh |
| 03:56.26 | Solte | :P |
| 03:56.34 | Solte | well i changed it, but it still doesnt work |
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| 03:56.55 | pipeline | d03boy: Then again, 1280x800 is a weird resolution. You may find it easier to use the "xrandr" command every time you log in than to actually fix your configuration. |
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| 03:57.30 | stew | d03boy: your other option is to find someone on linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org with the same laptop as you and use their xf86config-4, but read '/msg dpkg x md5sum' if you edit by hand |
| 03:57.31 | Solte | whats the terminal command to copy a file to a floppy? |
| 03:57.45 | simonrvn | cp |
| 03:57.47 | stew | Solte: mount the floppy, cp the file, umount the floppy |
| 03:58.24 | thanasemidrunk | exist the "encripted packages" in debian standard ? |
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| 03:58.25 | stew | thanasemidrunk: what is "encripted packages" and what do you mean by "debian standard" |
| 03:58.31 | d0s4gw | well that worked, but the driver couldnt install. |
| 03:58.39 | wilbertoki | are shadow passwords encrypted differently on different machines? |
| 03:58.43 | d0s4gw | oh well, i'll just try to be happy with this for a while |
| 03:58.46 | hilikusss | anyone please? |
| 03:58.59 | simonrvn | wilbertoki: it depends on the hash, not the machine |
| 03:59.02 | _kaz | does debian send root daily emails by default like freebsd does? |
| 03:59.08 | thanasemidrunk | stew, encripted packages for a requeired password before to install |
| 03:59.33 | hilikusss | best firewall? guarddog, firestarter, shoreline? |
| 03:59.35 | stew | thanasemidrunk: what is your native language? |
| 03:59.38 | wilbertoki | simonrvn: the hash? what file is that stored in |
| 03:59.43 | thanasemidrunk | stew, spanish and french |
| 03:59.47 | simonrvn | _kaz: get sent to whomever is configured to recieve root's mail |
| 03:59.47 | bob2 | hilikusss: they're not firewalls |
| 03:59.53 | bob2 | hilikusss: they're iptables configurators |
| 03:59.55 | simonrvn | wilbertoki: no. |
| 04:00.02 | bob2 | hilikusss: shorewall is quite nice if you're comfortable editing config files |
| 04:00.10 | hilikusss | thanks |
| 04:00.29 | _kaz | simonrvn: but does debian send daily mails by default? like mails generated by cron with status of the system and stuff? |
| 04:00.51 | simonrvn | if configured to do so yes |
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| 04:02.29 | mwilson | _kaz: If you like. |
| 04:02.36 | deadcat | i get this when compiling 2.6.11.7: cp: `debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.7+hades+20050414++mariane': specified destination directory does not exist |
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| 04:03.26 | Solte | how do i find what folder my floppy drive is mounted to? |
| 04:03.47 | deadcat | Solte: df |
| 04:03.49 | simonrvn | wherever you mounted it |
| 04:04.01 | Solte | i cant remember... |
| 04:04.07 | deadcat | Solte: its called a mount point or a directory. NOT folder |
| 04:04.15 | simonrvn | 'mount' |
| 04:04.25 | Solte | ok its apparently not mounted...... |
| 04:04.28 | Solte | makes sense |
| 04:04.46 | wilbertoki | simonrvn: when I type su now it just says sorry, is that because my machine can not read /etc/shadow? |
| 04:05.07 | simonrvn | you only get IMAP or Maildir folders.. |
| 04:05.10 | Solte | to mount floppy 'mount /dev/floppy /mymountpoint' right? |
| 04:05.25 | smacnay | anyone here give a recommendation for a good newsreader (console) that handles attachments well? |
| 04:06.09 | simonrvn | wilbertoki: what does it say exactly? |
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| 04:07.21 | wilbertoki | simonrvn: I type su and it says Sorry. |
| 04:07.51 | simonrvn | fine. whatever. what does ls -l /bin/su say? |
| 04:08.15 | wilbertoki | simonrvn: as root I tar xvvzf etc/passwd /etc/shadow etc/group etc/gshadow and now I cant su to root or anyone and sudo is broken also |
| 04:08.26 | liable_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.41 | simonrvn | wilbertoki: tell me the file permissions on each |
| 04:09.23 | simonrvn | @paste |
| 04:09.25 | ravenbird | paste.length >= 3 ? `/join #flood' : `/say paste.msg', or paste your output at http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 04:11.08 | wilbertoki | simonrvn: -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 1316 2005-03-09 16:50 shadow |
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| 04:11.39 | wilbertoki | simonrvn: one thing I notice, shadow is different than ~shadow backup which has -rw-r---- permission |
| 04:12.57 | MobyTurbo | smacnay: I haven't used it in a long time, but I remember "nn" had a lot of features in that department. |
| 04:13.26 | hope22 | I can mount the windows partition as a regular user, but then I can't cd into the directory. Things are fine if I am root though. Any ideas? I need to be able to cd as a normal user. |
| 04:13.50 | d03boy | for the record, running the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 command did absolutely shit for me... |
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| 04:13.58 | smacnay | MobyTurbo: thanks |
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| 04:14.13 | MobyTurbo | smacnay: yw |
| 04:14.23 | liable_ | one time it puts it at hda1, then next it puts it on hdb1, makes it hard to have an fstab file entry so I can just mount it |
| 04:14.26 | mwilson | hope22: man mount |
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| 04:15.28 | hope22 | I do have a fstab entry, so I can indeed mount hda1, but then I can't cd into it. |
| 04:15.47 | mwilson | hope22: Yes, man mount |
| 04:15.53 | kelan | is there an easy way to generate an .asoundrc file? something a bit automated? the "tutorial" at alsa-project.org seems to assume some working knowledge, which i don't have |
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| 04:16.06 | simonrvn | wilbertoki: a) that's only one file b) you haven't answered my other question. i can't help you if you don't tell me the info i ask |
| 04:16.18 | fusQuanto | anyone know why i would be getting this error msg in xconsole: Apr 14 22:39:33 localhost pumpd[26410]: failed to renew lease for device eth0 Apr 14 22:40:33 localhost last message repeated 2 times |
| 04:16.21 | deadcat | we still compile our kernels with make-kpkg right? |
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| 04:16.23 | liable_ | s/hda1/sda1 same sba1 |
| 04:16.26 | simonrvn | I'M NOT THERE TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE THERE |
| 04:16.28 | Solte | whats the command to format a floppy? |
| 04:16.43 | myren | is thre anything i need to do to get eclipse/java using generics? |
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| 04:17.11 | MobyTurbo | Solte: fdformat |
| 04:17.14 | miriam | hola |
| 04:17.40 | kang1 | Anyone familiar with mbmon? I want to know how its temperature readings correspond to Intel's temperature zones. |
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| 04:18.15 | hilikusss | how can i figure out what service is running on a specific port? |
| 04:18.17 | kelan | fusQuanto: pumpd is a dhcp client. its trying to renew your IP address lease, but is failing. maybe you lost your connection to the dhcp server? |
| 04:18.21 | tode | Other then editing the rc#.d links by hand what is the "proper" way to turn on/off init scripts? |
| 04:18.33 | Solte | "ioctl(FDFMTTRK): Device or resource busy" |
| 04:18.39 | MobyTurbo | tode: man update-rc.d |
| 04:19.02 | deadcat | little help me 2.6.11.7 kernel. cant figure out why it failed. join me in #flood |
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| 04:19.15 | fusQuanto | kelan: yah i understand how it works... i think it may be a kernel issue.... this computer was fine for a year and then HD crashed and i reinstalled (first time i ever used the debian kernel in this reinstall) it never gave me that error before.. theres two other machiens to this router and they have no problem |
| 04:19.21 | hilikusss | how can i figure out what service is running on a specific port? |
| 04:19.26 | mwilson | Why would it be a kernel issue? |
| 04:19.30 | myren | they're already up to.7, damn |
| 04:19.41 | deadcat | mwilson: me? i dont know what failed. |
| 04:19.42 | mwilson | People invent the damndest reasons for their problems... |
| 04:20.19 | deadcat | hilikusss: grep PORT# /etc/services |
| 04:20.27 | michal_ | is rthere something wrong with the US debian mirror? all packages seem to be 404 |
| 04:20.28 | hilikusss | thanks |
| 04:20.39 | deadcat | hilikusss: also netstat -naptu |
| 04:20.39 | michal_ | or all upgrade packages seem to be 404 at least |
| 04:21.11 | kang1 | Anyone familiar with mbmon? I want to know how its temperature readings correspond to Intel's temperature zones. |
| 04:21.13 | tode | hilikusss: "lsof -i tcp" will tell you the processes that are currently running |
| 04:21.26 | ziggy | Anyone know where to find info on installing a pcHDTV 3000 card under Sarge? |
| 04:21.30 | hilikusss | thats what im lookin for thanks |
| 04:21.58 | bluefox83 | whats the name of a good firewall software in debian/ |
| 04:21.59 | bluefox83 | ? |
| 04:22.03 | bluefox83 | iptables? |
| 04:22.06 | tode | hilikusss: also "lsof -i udp" |
| 04:22.16 | hilikusss | firestarter |
| 04:22.48 | hilikusss | but when i nmap my machine with firestarter on it lists a s**t load of ports, they are closed. but i would like it more if they were stealth |
| 04:23.08 | MobyTurbo | bluefox83: iptables is it - a variety of front ends for it are available if needed. |
| 04:23.14 | enola | can somebody please help me to mount my usb mass storage device |
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| 04:23.59 | kang1 | those thumb drive come pre-formatted for Window. how to use them for Linux? |
| 04:24.14 | myren | enola: plug it in, become root, type mount /dev/sda1 /mnt -o username=[your username] |
| 04:24.19 | myren | that should do it |
| 04:24.20 | deadcat | enola: usually: mkdir /mnt/sda1 && mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 |
| 04:24.23 | fusQuanto | kelan: any other ideas? the other box on this compuer is 1ghz and loads webpges about 10x faster than this one which is 1.7ghz... |
| 04:24.31 | mwilson | No, they come pre-formatted with a VFAT filesystem... to use then with Linux, plug them in. |
| 04:25.13 | enola | myren: deadcat: I've tried that seems to be mismatch with the file system |
| 04:25.19 | kang1 | what command to access them? |
| 04:25.31 | mwilson | kang1: man mount |
| 04:25.32 | deadcat | enola: modprobe vfat |
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| 04:26.03 | enola | mount -t ext2 /deb/sda1 /media/extstorage |
| 04:26.18 | enola | deadcat: modprobe vfat doesnot show anything |
| 04:26.21 | mwilson | enola: What's that supposed to do, other than fail? |
| 04:26.30 | mwilson | enola: Good, then it worked. |
| 04:26.46 | enola | mwilson: was i stupid |
| 04:26.51 | kang1 | mount as /dev/hd? |
| 04:26.51 | silverton | enola, normally, no output means good |
| 04:26.51 | kelan | fusQuanto: sorry, no ideas. i'm not familiar with pumpd other than knowing what it is. my boxes use dhclient |
| 04:27.05 | deadcat | enola: well. i figured it would be vfat. i guess you are the only one use ext2 on usb storage |
| 04:27.23 | a_monkey | anybody know where the home page of libgtop is? |
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| 04:27.36 | mwilson | Anyone know how to use Google? |
| 04:27.43 | enola | deadcat: well i wasnt one of how tos was using ext2 |
| 04:27.45 | deadcat | nope |
| 04:27.52 | kang1 | i don't. |
| 04:27.56 | fusQuanto | kelan: ok can you help me make sure i got the right nic selected from the kernel... i have never used modules, i usually make everythign built into hte kenel. i know what driver my nic is (its onboard my mobo) but im not so sure how to use mod tools and such |
| 04:27.57 | enola | deadcat: i didnt know what mine was |
| 04:28.04 | enola | deadcat: i was using it in windows |
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| 04:28.24 | enola | and vfat also doesnt work |
| 04:28.30 | deadcat | enola: then its vfat. linux partitions dont work on windows unless you install some shitty software i think |
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| 04:28.47 | hilikusss | best way to disable a service? delete the /etc/init.d file? |
| 04:28.48 | deadcat | enola: maybe its just /dev/sda. cat /proc/partitions |
| 04:28.54 | kelan | fusQuanto: you can use 'lsmod' to see what modules you've got loaded, and 'modprobe' to load and unload modules. |
| 04:28.55 | deadcat | hilikusss: update-rc.d |
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| 04:29.15 | MobyTurbo | hilikusss: I already told you to look at the update-rc.d manpage |
| 04:29.16 | hilikusss | ty |
| 04:29.43 | hilikusss | no that was tode |
| 04:30.04 | MobyTurbo | hilikusss: what made you think that the answer didn't apply to you? |
| 04:30.14 | tode | hilikusss: no that applys to your question also. |
| 04:30.19 | hilikusss | i wasent looking at my screen |
| 04:30.30 | enola | deadcat: i dont see any sda's from cat /proc/partitions |
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| 04:30.53 | deadcat | enola: your storage is not supported. lsmod|grep storage |
| 04:32.04 | enola | out.msg |
| 04:32.23 | liable_ | while we are talking about usb, how do I get my camera always to be sda1 and not sdb1 |
| 04:32.29 | tode | enola: does "dmesg" have some usb events at the bottom of it output? |
| 04:32.49 | kteague | anyone have sarge netinst xfs hang just before partitioning? |
| 04:32.54 | deadcat | liable_: cant |
| 04:33.00 | enola | deadcat: yeah it clearly says that it recognised the USB Mass storage device |
| 04:33.19 | deadcat | enola: cfdisk /dev/sda then, see what it shows |
| 04:33.30 | hilikusss | rpc.statd important? |
| 04:33.41 | deadcat | hilikusss: thats looks like portmap |
| 04:33.59 | deadcat | hilikusss: if you not using nis or nfs. turn the shit off |
| 04:34.12 | d03boy | lalala fixed my resolution lalala i rock |
| 04:34.18 | hope22 | mount works now, funny that one has to set the umask with ntfs :) |
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| 04:35.00 | enola | deadcat: its showing ntfs on sda5 |
| 04:35.00 | silverton | heyyyy d03boy, what was wrong with it? |
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| 04:35.10 | kelan | how can i set up my debian box to automatically change my cat's litterbox when it gets too smelly? |
| 04:35.10 | deadcat | enola: then mount that mother fucker |
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| 04:35.38 | deadcat | kelan: cron |
| 04:35.44 | enola | deadcat: let me try that |
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| 04:36.28 | reduz | Hello debianers |
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| 04:36.45 | vs_zach | hey |
| 04:36.48 | vs_zach | hey |
| 04:36.52 | d0s4gw | hi |
| 04:36.57 | vs_zach | is there a program that looks for apt sources |
| 04:37.02 | d0s4gw | dselect |
| 04:37.11 | deadcat | vs_zach: no |
| 04:37.17 | kelan | deadcat: i don't necesarrily want it changed on a regular schedule, only when it reaches a certain stink threshold. are there any debs for olfactory detection? |
| 04:37.23 | vs_zach | u sure |
| 04:37.28 | reduz | I have installed debian with XFS filesystem, but it seems it somewhat got corrupted. I want to fix it, but so far no debian install CD provides the xfs tools, and booting in single user mode, even as readonly, is dangerous for fixing, says xfs. So is there any way to download/burn an iso with proper xfs rescue tools? |
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| 04:37.32 | deadcat | kelan: apt-cache search |
| 04:37.36 | deadcat | vs_zach: yes |
| 04:37.36 | ziggy | exit |
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| 04:37.37 | d0s4gw | no, im wrong. i misread your question |
| 04:37.43 | kelan | tried that:( nothing |
| 04:37.45 | wilbertoki | vs_zach apt-spy? |
| 04:37.51 | deadcat | kelan: gentoo then (= |
| 04:37.55 | kelan | hah |
| 04:38.20 | kelan | emerge litter-changer! |
| 04:38.25 | fusQuanto | whats that command to show the stuff that gets scrolled at bootup? |
| 04:38.28 | vs_zach | no i meant like....is there a program where you can search for packages' sources and add them to sources.list |
| 04:38.35 | vs_zach | and then download and install that package |
| 04:38.35 | deadcat | kelan: emerge shit-changer |
| 04:38.39 | d0s4gw | im trying to install the nforce2 drivers from nvidia's website and im getting an error that says "no precompiled kernel interface was found..." |
| 04:38.51 | kelan | fusQuanto: dmesg |
| 04:38.55 | d0s4gw | "unable to find kernel source tree..." |
| 04:38.55 | fusQuanto | thx |
| 04:39.02 | d0s4gw | how do i get the kernel source tree? |
| 04:39.09 | deadcat | !nvidia |
| 04:39.09 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia was DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 04:39.20 | reduz | d03boy: thats fine,just compile it yourself.. make sure to apt-get install kernel-headers-<yourkrnel> |
| 04:39.21 | pipeline | d0s4gw: Install the appropriate kernel-source-<foo> package |
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| 04:39.35 | pipeline | d0s4gw: You probably don't want kernel-source, though, you want the "kernel-headers-<foo>" package |
| 04:39.36 | d0s4gw | what goes in <foo> |
| 04:39.47 | deadcat | pipeline: not gonna work with his current kernel. |
| 04:39.48 | d0s4gw | i have sarge, just installed today |
| 04:39.50 | pipeline | d0s4gw: the version of your kernel. In my case, kernel-headers-2.6.7-1-k7-smp |
| 04:39.56 | enola | deadcat: I'm sorry, it still says bad file systems |
| 04:40.06 | deadcat | enola: you're fucked. |
| 04:40.11 | pipeline | deadcat: Why not? The nvidia graphics sources compile with just the headers packages. |
| 04:40.13 | reduz | d0s4gw: cat /proc/version gives you the kernel version |
| 04:40.19 | enola | deadcat: seems like it |
| 04:40.20 | d03boy | im gunna leave so you stop getting my name mixed up :P |
| 04:40.21 | deadcat | pipeline: headers ya. |
| 04:40.39 | d0s4gw | debian:/home/welsh/Download/nVidia# cat /proc/version |
| 04:40.39 | d0s4gw | Linux version 2.4.27-2-386 (horms@charles.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-6)) #1 Thu Jan 20 10:55:08 JST 2005 |
| 04:40.46 | enola | deadcat: could it be because of the ntfs |
| 04:40.57 | deadcat | enola: load the ntfs module then. |
| 04:41.08 | reduz | d0s4gw: then i guess it's apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:41.30 | d0s4gw | hmm, 2.4... thats not good |
| 04:41.41 | deadcat | kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 04:41.43 | reduz | So, anyone knows how to repair an xfs filesystem in debian? or should I get a knoppix? |
| 04:41.55 | kteague | get knoppix |
| 04:41.57 | kteague | j/k |
| 04:42.01 | kteague | I'm sure there are tools |
| 04:42.07 | enola | deadcat: enlighten me on that |
| 04:42.09 | kteague | let me google, like you shold do |
| 04:42.12 | reduz | kteague: tools are there, but dont cooperate |
| 04:42.24 | reduz | kteague: googled already, found nothing |
| 04:42.25 | deadcat | enola: modprobe ntfs |
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| 04:42.41 | reduz | kteague: xfs_repair wants the fs unmounted, I cant do that obviously |
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| 04:42.47 | deadcat | simonrvn: help. join #flood please |
| 04:42.53 | Solte | whats the command to delete a file? |
| 04:42.53 | kteague | why not? |
| 04:42.53 | reduz | kteague: and debian isos, bootable from cd, dont come with any xfs stuff |
| 04:43.03 | kteague | make your own? |
| 04:43.14 | kteague | praise open source! |
| 04:43.19 | reduz | yes that's what I'm trying to avoid |
| 04:43.23 | enola | deadcat: doesnt return any output |
| 04:43.33 | enola | deadcat: but do i have to enable something |
| 04:43.40 | kteague | so you'd install knoppix before you build your own boot CD? I can't help the helpless |
| 04:44.06 | enola | deadcat: because 'used by' is 0 |
| 04:44.09 | reduz | kteague: i'm simply not in the mood to learn how to do it |
| 04:44.10 | deadcat | simonrvn: i dont know why that failed on me |
| 04:44.13 | deadcat | enola: dude. success in linux == no output |
| 04:44.15 | deadcat | enola: try the mount thing now |
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| 04:44.24 | deadcat | kteague: try ibuild |
| 04:44.34 | kteague | deadcat, tell reduz :-) |
| 04:44.38 | simonrvn | my guess is the filename. but i'm tired |
| 04:44.40 | kelan | Solte: perl -e'unlink $ARGV[0] or die "Couldn't delete $ARGV[0]: $!"' |
| 04:44.41 | deadcat | kteague: you tell him (= |
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| 04:44.45 | kteague | rofl |
| 04:44.48 | deadcat | simonrvn: ok. |
| 04:44.51 | miriam | hola |
| 04:44.55 | deadcat | miriam: what? |
| 04:44.55 | kteague | deadcat, perhaps he already saw. I'll take it as that :-) |
| 04:44.58 | miriam | miriam |
| 04:45.04 | wilbertoki | simonrvn: any ideas? |
| 04:45.06 | deadcat | kteague: hehe. |
| 04:45.22 | enola | deadcat: Eeeeeeeee Haaah its working |
| 04:45.23 | miriam | no ingles |
| 04:45.27 | miriam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:45.28 | deadcat | enola: cool. |
| 04:45.37 | enola | deadcat: did have to do with modprobe |
| 04:45.55 | enola | deadcat: i thought modprobe just gives only the information |
| 04:45.59 | kteague | deadcat, you're such a debian junkie... you've got cob webs under your armpits |
| 04:46.01 | deadcat | simonrvn: maybe its the extra .7 in 2.6.11.7 (=. my 2.6.7 works fine with the long name |
| 04:46.13 | deadcat | enola: man modprobe |
| 04:46.27 | simonrvn | deadcat: doubt it |
| 04:46.31 | deadcat | kteague: hahaha. i shave my armpits (= |
| 04:46.45 | simonrvn | eew |
| 04:46.58 | simonrvn | well, i wouldn't do it |
| 04:47.05 | liable | miriam: #debian-es? |
| 04:47.13 | deadcat | mor comfy. |
| 04:47.25 | simonrvn | whatever works for you :) |
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| 04:47.32 | deadcat | hehe |
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| 04:47.54 | kteague | reduz, well, obviously you can not do what is not possible. 1) you need to umount the FS, 2) you need to boot with something that has XFS repair tools. there's no way around it |
| 04:48.01 | miriam | liable |
| 04:48.02 | enola | deadcat: Thanks |
| 04:48.03 | miriam | hola |
| 04:48.12 | kteague | however, you could use another linux distribution that has a boot CD with XFS repair tools |
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| 04:48.21 | kteague | it doens' t *have* to be Debian |
| 04:48.33 | liable | miriam: /join #debian-es |
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| 04:49.17 | miriam | liable bay bay |
| 04:49.23 | miriam | español |
| 04:49.29 | deadcat | miriam: what motherfucker what? |
| 04:49.30 | miriam | an sorry |
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| 04:49.48 | miriam | ok |
| 04:50.03 | miriam | liable |
| 04:50.20 | miriam | liable baybay |
| 04:50.26 | miriam | uruguay |
| 04:50.31 | shingouz | !es |
| 04:50.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:50.33 | deadcat | somebody kick this nutty espanola |
| 04:50.49 | kteague | miriam, el pollo loco! |
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| 04:50.55 | Solte | has anyone else ever had problems with optical mice that have scroll wheels? |
| 04:51.08 | miriam | que pollo loco |
| 04:51.11 | deadcat | Solte: no. they work the same as any mice |
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| 04:51.25 | kteague | EL pollo loco! |
| 04:51.30 | Solte | dead cat: apparently not |
| 04:51.35 | miriam | is |
| 04:51.43 | kteague | Solte, take away the scroll button and you have... what? |
| 04:51.50 | kteague | Solte, yes, they do |
| 04:51.53 | deadcat | Solte: sounds like a refund to me |
| 04:52.00 | kteague | Solte, lol |
| 04:52.00 | Solte | an optical mouse |
| 04:52.09 | miriam | yes no ingles |
| 04:52.16 | Solte | deadcat: it works on all the micro$oft machines |
| 04:52.17 | miriam | an sorry |
| 04:52.19 | kteague | miriam, no espanol |
| 04:52.24 | miriam | se |
| 04:52.24 | vs_zach | hey |
| 04:52.34 | vs_zach | how do i use a .deb package |
| 04:52.37 | deadcat | Solte: then config it. dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 04:52.42 | kteague | vs_zach, massage it |
| 04:52.42 | deadcat | vs_zach: dpkg -i |
| 04:52.44 | Solte | i have |
| 04:52.45 | kteague | pet it |
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| 04:52.49 | kteague | call it nice names |
| 04:52.53 | vs_zach | ok |
| 04:52.54 | Solte | i've done every configureation i can think of |
| 04:53.04 | deadcat | Solte: try gentoo |
| 04:53.06 | kteague | Solte, and what's not working? |
| 04:53.19 | Solte | deadcat: what? |
| 04:53.20 | miriam | miriam love baybayde uruguay |
| 04:53.24 | deadcat | Solte: joke |
| 04:53.24 | Solte | inst gentoo another distro? |
| 04:53.33 | Solte | aha |
| 04:53.35 | deadcat | gentoo is a file manager |
| 04:53.36 | kteague | Solte, install Windows |
| 04:53.42 | kteague | same type of joke :-) |
| 04:53.55 | kelan | can i use d-i to install gentoo? |
| 04:53.57 | kteague | well, maybe more of an offending statement |
| 04:54.01 | kelan | it would make it easier |
| 04:54.04 | kteague | kelan, lol |
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| 04:54.15 | kteague | kelan, are you ceareal? |
| 04:54.19 | kteague | I mean, serious? |
| 04:54.28 | kelan | if that is a person, then no |
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| 04:54.36 | kteague | lol |
| 04:54.36 | kelan | if its an adjective, maybe |
| 04:54.43 | kelan | depending on what it means:) |
| 04:54.55 | Solte | deadcat: i have a dell netscroll mouse, and an optical netscroll mouse... they are identical except for one has a ball the other has an eye |
| 04:54.56 | deadcat | must be open-mic night. |
| 04:55.06 | Solte | the dell works on my debian machine the optical doesnt... |
| 04:55.11 | deadcat | Solte: no clue. |
| 04:55.15 | kteague | Keroke |
| 04:55.26 | kelan | does the eye watch you while you're sleeping? |
| 04:55.29 | maher | Solte: is it a usb mouse |
| 04:55.31 | mngrif | 8 cups of coffee in me, and there's already too much blood in my caffiene system. |
| 04:55.37 | Solte | no its ps2 |
| 04:55.38 | kteague | Solte, if I were you, I would try all relevant protocols with various options |
| 04:55.46 | maher | Solte: do you have psmouse loaded |
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| 04:56.14 | kteague | Solte, again, what happens when you use the mouse? arrow moves but buttons don't work?... what? |
| 04:56.15 | mngrif | hey, is it possible to pass GPM mouseclicks through an SSH session? |
| 04:56.16 | Solte | ummm.. no |
| 04:56.25 | Solte | kte: no motion |
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| 04:56.38 | kteague | Solte, so nothing at all? as if it doesn't see it? |
| 04:56.47 | maher | Solte: modprobe psmouse |
| 04:56.48 | Solte | as if its unplugged |
| 04:56.53 | UNINVITED | alguien sabe como se puede configurar x-chat para que sirva como servido por ejemplo en un canal de mp3 ? |
| 04:57.05 | kteague | mngrif, I've used GPM to cut/paste between terms |
| 04:57.16 | Solte | but i know its plugged in... the optical light lights up |
| 04:57.25 | Solte | maher: dont got it |
| 04:57.33 | maher | Solte: don't got wot? |
| 04:57.42 | Solte | psmouse |
| 04:57.42 | mngrif | kteague: yeah, but i'm talking about passing mouseclicks to, say, elinks running over the SSH link |
| 04:57.43 | kteague | Solte, I think the optical light lighting up shows that it's working |
| 04:57.53 | maher | Solte: become root - type modprobe psmouse |
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| 04:58.05 | kteague | mngrif, hmm, what such clicks? |
| 04:58.08 | Solte | i know its working... it works on windows |
| 04:58.17 | Solte | maher: can't locate module psmouse |
| 04:58.22 | kteague | Solte, we're not doubting the mouse is defective |
| 04:58.24 | maher | Solte what kernel |
| 04:58.41 | Solte | 2.2.20idepci |
| 04:58.46 | michal_d | stew: don't suppose you know hwre I can get the linux-kernel-di-i386 package? |
| 04:58.47 | Solte | and dont !idepci me |
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| 04:58.48 | kteague | omgwtf |
| 04:58.55 | Solte | i am gonna fix that this weekend |
| 04:58.58 | kteague | j/k, but that's a pretty old kernel |
| 04:59.11 | Solte | i gont got internet on the machine and update this weekend |
| 04:59.12 | kteague | don't worry about it, I used 2.2 kernels for the longest |
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| 04:59.46 | Solte | i'm getting close to installing a windows emulator to make my mouse work :/ |
| 04:59.54 | kteague | but I would admit that the code maturity for optical/scroll mice is more solid under 2.4 and above |
| 04:59.54 | maher | Solte: its called something else on that kernel |
| 05:00.02 | wilbertoki | simonrvn: I sshed in again and now it works fine! I guess it needed a reload |
| 05:00.09 | kteague | maher, psaux |
| 05:00.15 | simonrvn | i guess |
| 05:00.18 | maher | Solte: modprobe psaux |
| 05:00.44 | kteague | I'm suprised that came to me, I havn't used 2.2 in a few years |
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| 05:00.53 | kteague | see what you damn bastards do to me? |
| 05:00.54 | Solte | wtf... cant locate module psaux.... |
| 05:01.00 | d03boy | what kind of options do I have if I want to skin/theme/scheme/whatever debian? I want it to be perty ;D |
| 05:01.02 | Solte | thats fucked |
| 05:01.05 | kteague | find /lib/modulesd -name psaux |
| 05:01.16 | maher | Solte: can you use a different kernel |
| 05:01.27 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: depends on what WM/DM you use |
| 05:01.28 | kteague | d03boy, eye candy. why? |
| 05:01.34 | kteague | got a girlfriend to impress? |
| 05:01.42 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: but just about everything is themeable. |
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| 05:01.50 | vs_zach | i cant mount /mnt/windows |
| 05:01.59 | vs_zach | how do i edit /etc/fstab |
| 05:02.10 | Solte | no such directory |
| 05:02.16 | vortek | Any Idea how to tell xfce4 to load xwindows with out port 6000 open IT does not use the startx command.. It uses the startxfce command |
| 05:02.23 | dondelelcaro | vs_zach: $EDITOR /etc/fstab |
| 05:02.29 | vs_zach | i know |
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| 05:02.32 | vs_zach | but what do i put |
| 05:02.55 | BenDrake | anyone aware of a kernel option to "Probe for extra LUN devices"?? please |
| 05:02.57 | dondelelcaro | vs_zach: man 5 fstab; it explains the format of the fstab file. However, you should first figure out how to use mount to mount something on /mnt/windows |
| 05:03.01 | d03boy | kteague, because i'm bored so I want to make it pretty |
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| 05:03.16 | dondelelcaro | BenDrake: depends on what bus the device is on |
| 05:03.30 | BenDrake | usb |
| 05:03.40 | kteague | d03boy, sacrafice performance for making your desktop look beautiful |
| 05:03.41 | dondelelcaro | BenDrake: you mean that it's a scsi device? |
| 05:03.47 | dondelelcaro | BenDrake: which kernel is this? |
| 05:03.48 | BenDrake | yeah :0) |
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| 05:03.56 | kteague | I can't blame you, though. I like to make mine pretty sometimes too |
| 05:03.57 | BenDrake | 2.6.? |
| 05:04.06 | dondelelcaro | BenDrake: just unplug the device, and plug it back in. |
| 05:04.07 | kteague | especially when I'm trying to come out of the closet |
| 05:04.13 | kteague | and show my boyfriend |
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| 05:04.22 | BenDrake | okay |
| 05:04.35 | BenDrake | then what? |
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| 05:05.03 | dondelelcaro | BenDrake: that's it. the kernel should redetect the devices and associate them with the appropriate /dev/sda et al |
| 05:05.10 | kteague | dondelelcaro, oh, no! I'm not confused at all. It's when I finally release my girlfriend and the boss she's been fucking |
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| 05:05.33 | kteague | gah, sorry guys, I forgot this isn't the channel for my obscure humor |
| 05:05.42 | BenDrake | its an mp3 player, with external memory, SD card. But linux only picks up one drive .sda1 |
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| 05:06.07 | dondelelcaro | kteague: uh, no. that's just realizing what your orientation is. comming out of the closet is when you're ready to share with the rest of the planet what your orientation is. |
| 05:06.10 | vortek | Any one know how to startx with out the port 6000 open man startx shows crap lol |
| 05:06.34 | kteague | dondelelcaro, really? are you serious?! Let me check the newsgroups |
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| 05:07.08 | dondelelcaro | newsgroups don't have anything to do with this. Regardless, it's wildy OT for #debian. |
| 05:07.28 | dondelelcaro | vortek: you really don't wnat to have it listening on TCP |
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| 05:07.48 | vortek | vortek : I know .. The problem is I have to type startxfce to get x going and I have no idea how to close it |
| 05:07.49 | dondelelcaro | vortek: if you want to do remote X, use ssh -X instead. |
| 05:07.59 | vortek | vortek: Usualy I just use startx -nolisten tcp |
| 05:07.59 | kteague | dondelelcaro, you're right. I'll cease |
| 05:08.07 | PuGz | hey guys... any way (apart from building from source) to get php5 on debian? |
| 05:08.11 | vortek | dondelelcaro: sorry I ment to say with out port 6000 open |
| 05:08.20 | immo | apt-get |
| 05:08.32 | PuGz | immo, its not supported yet |
| 05:08.36 | PuGz | only php4 |
| 05:08.39 | dondelelcaro | vortek: oh. is it listening on localhost? or 0.0.0.0? |
| 05:08.51 | dondelelcaro | !php5 |
| 05:08.52 | dpkg | php5 is probably at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
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| 05:09.40 | immo | if you dont want to build it from src then youll have to wait till its packeged |
| 05:09.46 | maher | vortek: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc <-- should contain a nolisten option |
| 05:09.48 | PuGz | dondelelcaro, cheers |
| 05:09.54 | Solte | so... what does the psaux module do? |
| 05:10.07 | dondelelcaro | Solte: ps2 keyboard/mouse iirc. |
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| 05:10.14 | vortek | maher : k |
| 05:10.21 | vortek | dondelelcaro : it shows up in remote scans |
| 05:10.37 | Solte | well i dont appear to have it.... but my keyboard and the dell mouse bothwork.... |
| 05:10.50 | vortek | Ok this is crazy |
| 05:10.52 | vortek | maher : #!/bin/sh |
| 05:10.54 | vortek | exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 05:10.58 | vortek | italready set to the WTF |
| 05:10.58 | dondelelcaro | Solte: it's probably built in... there's almost no point to not having it at all |
| 05:11.07 | immo | xhost -? |
| 05:11.11 | dondelelcaro | vortek: do a netstat -plunt; |
| 05:11.15 | maher | vortek: how do you start x |
| 05:11.16 | PuGz | hehe.... debian is cool! |
| 05:11.19 | dondelelcaro | vortek: check to see what is actually listening on that port |
| 05:11.24 | vortek | startxfce the only way xfce lets you |
| 05:11.29 | vortek | dondelelcaro k |
| 05:11.39 | Solte | dondelelcaro: but my fucking optical mouse... thats i identical to the dell cept optical wont work |
| 05:11.44 | PuGz | dondelelcaro, nice /ver comment! hehe |
| 05:11.45 | Solte | its irritating the shit out of me |
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| 05:12.03 | maher | vortek: find the exec X line and add a -nolisten tcp |
| 05:12.05 | dondelelcaro | PuGz: if you really wanted to know, it's irssi-text |
| 05:12.13 | PuGz | hehe.... nah.... just bored |
| 05:12.22 | PuGz | but that amused me! |
| 05:12.34 | dondelelcaro | Solte: is it usb or ps2? |
| 05:12.41 | vortek | ahh I got it |
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| 05:12.44 | Solte | ps/2 |
| 05:13.00 | dondelelcaro | Solte: hrm... and when you plug it in, do you see stuff on /dev/psaux? |
| 05:13.20 | Solte | what do you mean by see stuff on it? |
| 05:13.23 | Solte | how would i look? |
| 05:13.32 | dondelelcaro | Solte: cat /dev/psaux; plug mouse in, move mouse. |
| 05:13.34 | kelan | cat it |
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| 05:14.17 | Solte | ok yeah thats crazy |
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| 05:14.33 | Solte | it does all sorts of wild shit to my terminal... ascii bullshit everywhere |
| 05:14.46 | maher | Solte: your mouse works just fine |
| 05:14.46 | dondelelcaro | Solte: if you see stuff, then the mouse is working, you probably just have the wrong X driver selected |
| 05:15.05 | vortek | dondelelcaro: listening on 0.0.0.0 but it shows up in a remote port scan |
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| 05:15.11 | Solte | the wrong driver????? |
| 05:15.15 | vortek | maher : that trick worked for starting x as root but not as local |
| 05:15.18 | vortek | er as user |
| 05:15.22 | Solte | the driver should be "mouse" right? |
| 05:15.30 | dondelelcaro | vortek: 0.0.0.0 is the "listen on every interface" address... |
| 05:15.33 | Solte | do you mean wrong protocol? |
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| 05:15.47 | dondelelcaro | Solte: same difference, really |
| 05:15.47 | maher | vortek: dunno - try and find where the startxfce options are |
| 05:15.53 | PuGz | Solte, what protocol you using? |
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| 05:16.00 | vortek | dondelelcaro : k |
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| 05:16.07 | PuGz | Solte, what does the mouse look like (features)? |
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| 05:16.43 | vortek | freaking xfce4 sends me to a html page when i man |
| 05:16.45 | PuGz | 2 button, wheel (and middle button as wheel)? that imps2 if thats what you have... so you ImPS/2 in X |
| 05:16.50 | enola | Good night every one. |
| 05:16.59 | vortek | Well i gues nothing is perfect xfce is nice but documentation and its start up methods suck lol |
| 05:17.01 | PuGz | enola, nite dude |
| 05:18.08 | Solte | i got crazy dive to the corner action when i tried PS/2 |
| 05:18.20 | PuGz | i hate that stuff! |
| 05:18.25 | PuGz | try ImPS/2 ... ? |
| 05:18.32 | PuGz | or just try auto? |
| 05:18.50 | irreverentrevere | what files do i edit, and what do i put int hem to get software raid to start at boot for a non-boot drive? |
| 05:18.57 | tode | vortek: how do you know X is listening on port 6000? |
| 05:18.59 | Solte | i have |
| 05:19.31 | vortek | tode: netstat told me and a remote scan told me |
| 05:19.44 | Solte | i've tried Netscrollps/2 ps/2 imps/2 glidepointps/2 netmouseps/2 thinkingmouseps/2 mousemanps/2 and explorerps/2 |
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| 05:19.54 | vortek | tode: and the problem is xfce uses startxfce :P |
| 05:19.58 | Solte | ps/2 made it twitch and mouseman crasshed xserver |
| 05:20.12 | maher | vortek: its probably a script - read it |
| 05:20.44 | PuGz | Solte, are you using gpm? i have had problems with using it and X at the same time before |
| 05:20.50 | PuGz | maybe stop gpm and try again |
| 05:20.53 | vortek | yeah |
| 05:20.57 | fusQuanto | anyone here have a ecs k7s5a mothreboard? what drivre in the krenel did youuse for hte nic? |
| 05:21.02 | vortek | the man page suxs sends me to a html doc.. Ah I found a way |
| 05:21.13 | Solte | gpm? whats gpm? |
| 05:21.21 | PuGz | mouse for consoles |
| 05:21.24 | vortek | startx -- -nolisten tcp then put startxfce in .xession :) |
| 05:22.11 | Solte | how do i stop gpm |
| 05:22.30 | maher | Solte: /etc/init.d/gpm stop |
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| 05:23.50 | Solte | no such file or directory |
| 05:24.01 | maher | Solte: you don't have gpm then |
| 05:24.09 | Solte | ok so that cant be it... |
| 05:24.11 | vortek | ok I got my system secured and in the dmz SCREW That dirty S.P.I. router |
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| 05:25.37 | Solte | i'm gonna go up to the university tommorrow after i get my check and find an its guy tell him i'll give him 5 bucks if he can make my mouse work on xfree86 |
| 05:25.47 | jimmy17 | helllllllo!!!!! |
| 05:26.04 | irreverentrevere | where do i put the line raidstart --all to get all my raids started at boot? |
| 05:27.30 | Solte | it would be funny if bill gates was idling here and we didnt know it |
| 05:27.42 | immo | wtf? |
| 05:27.46 | maher | Solte: do you have mdetect or read-edid on your box |
| 05:27.46 | ecfx | Why would that be funny? |
| 05:27.49 | nano | why when I type in /NETWORK in irssi, it says unknown command? |
| 05:27.56 | Solte | i got mdetect |
| 05:28.06 | ecfx | nano: Wild guess here..... |
| 05:28.08 | Solte | it says /dev/psaux intellimouse |
| 05:28.09 | immo | rofl |
| 05:28.12 | ecfx | Maybe because that's an unknown command? |
| 05:28.13 | immo | try not using caps |
| 05:28.18 | immo | or that |
| 05:28.22 | maher | Solte: did that protocol work? |
| 05:28.38 | Solte | "intellimouse" is protocol? |
| 05:28.43 | ecfx | Why don't you ask in #irssi instead of #debian |
| 05:28.50 | maher | Solte: i thought so |
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| 05:29.11 | nano | ecfx: thanks |
| 05:29.53 | Solte | that crashes the xserver quite wonderfully |
| 05:30.15 | Solte | oh how i love it when my screen burns my retnas out with flashing colors |
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| 05:30.41 | immo | read the log file and youll know the problem |
| 05:31.34 | Solte | crap where's the log again? |
| 05:32.00 | maher | Solte: /var/log/ |
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| 05:33.00 | kang1 | when i cp a file fr the Window FS to the Linux FS, all the images are left out. why? |
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| 05:33.16 | maher | kang1: what sort of file? |
| 05:33.23 | irreverentrevere | kang1 html? |
| 05:33.31 | kang1 | right |
| 05:33.41 | irreverentrevere | you forgot to move the images as well |
| 05:33.42 | Jondo | Are there any known issues with a combination of kernel 2.6, amd64 and sata? because my cdrom is not being detected with a vanilla debian kernel. |
| 05:33.58 | irreverentrevere | they are saved in a folder named after the html fiel witht hem |
| 05:34.15 | kang1 | there may be several of them |
| 05:35.09 | kang1 | it may not be practical to move many html files over then? |
| 05:35.29 | kang1 | soryy, can move the whole dir. |
| 05:35.30 | maher | kang1: mv the dir |
| 05:35.53 | takatumi | the performance of the hostap drivers towers over the orinoco ones, and I didn't know hostap would work so easily on my card. |
| 05:35.53 | kang1 | ok, problem solve, thanks. |
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| 05:36.33 | irreverentrevere | if i have a ohci 1.1 compliant fire wire pci card, would the standard options in the kernel for firewire be enough to get it to work for disk drives? what else needs to be enabled to use firewire drives? |
| 05:37.00 | individuality | is anyone else in trouble with debconf and python ? |
| 05:37.14 | vs_zach | aahhh |
| 05:37.15 | freddy | Jondo: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 05:37.19 | soloflyer | define in trouble? |
| 05:37.48 | kang1 | anyone familiar with mbmon? i am trying to figure out how the temperature readings correspond with Intel temperature zones. |
| 05:38.01 | individuality | permission denied (with root) on HTMLDListElement.pyo |
| 05:38.20 | maher | irreverentrevere: fw should just work in standard debian kernels |
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| 05:38.45 | individuality | i get this since a recent upgrade |
| 05:38.45 | irreverentrevere | maher I am running a custom one at the moment |
| 05:38.59 | Solte | in the log file its probimg my mouse and reading shit from it in the log |
| 05:39.08 | maher | irreverentrevere: yeah - i dunno what the options are - look at a .config for a standard kernel |
| 05:39.10 | Solte | but the damned thing just doesn6 move the pointer |
| 05:39.32 | takatumi | irreverentrevere: grep CONFIG_IEEE1394_SBP2 .config |
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| 05:39.43 | irreverentrevere | i only removed a few things i KNOW i wasnt going to use (wireless, ect) and removed the need for an initrd, so i guess i should be fine and willing to risk it |
| 05:39.49 | individuality | may it's time to give a try to cdebconf ? |
| 05:40.11 | soloflyer | irreverentrever what are you risking |
| 05:40.14 | individuality | *be |
| 05:40.20 | soloflyer | if it dosent work jsut boot yer old kernel |
| 05:40.31 | soloflyer | just |
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| 05:41.00 | irreverentrevere | soloflyer by risk it i mean not making a new kernel, and assuming the hardware i am about to add is already supported |
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| 05:41.16 | kang1 | no one here bothers to monitor their system's temperatures? |
| 05:41.24 | soloflyer | kangl i cant |
| 05:41.35 | maher | irreverentrevere: is there some reason you can't use a standard kernel? |
| 05:41.35 | kang1 | why not? |
| 05:41.41 | irreverentrevere | i am going nuts looking for where to autostart my raid after reboot though |
| 05:41.47 | irreverentrevere | kang1 i do. |
| 05:41.57 | kang1 | how do you do it? |
| 05:42.12 | irreverentrevere | look at the gauges on the front of the case |
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| 05:42.36 | kang1 | LED display? |
| 05:42.52 | maher | kang1: i look for smoke coming out of the case |
| 05:42.59 | kang1 | how many temps can it show? |
| 05:43.11 | irreverentrevere | maher i had to enable a few drivers that were not running by default to get some pci cards working, and tweak a few of the other options to get more of my mobos features working |
| 05:43.49 | kang1 | maher: there's a fire at ur home! |
| 05:43.52 | irreverentrevere | kang1 2 temps on the led, and i have 4 other temp probes if i felt like setting them up that are on the mobo directly and those can be monitored by software |
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| 05:45.06 | takatumi | kang1: are you using acpi? |
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| 05:45.19 | kang1 | acpi, yes. |
| 05:45.51 | takatumi | kang1: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
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| 05:46.07 | individuality | wooow :) i got a kernel oops |
| 05:46.23 | irreverentrevere | takatumi what needs to be enabled to get that to show up? it is not showing in my /proc |
| 05:46.23 | individuality | my trouble seems to be reiser related |
| 05:46.56 | takatumi | irreverentrevere: yes, didn't you look around in your kernel config? |
| 05:46.59 | kang1 | i have a doc from Intel which mark out physically where each zone is, the problem to know which temp of mbmon refers to wchihc zone. |
| 05:47.03 | soloflyer | as far as /quit\ |
| 05:47.07 | soloflyer | sorry |
| 05:47.09 | soloflyer | :) |
| 05:48.08 | vs_zach | where's a good site that i can search for apt sources |
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| 05:48.30 | irreverentrevere | takatumi i have it set as a module... what do i need to modprobe to get it running? |
| 05:49.13 | streuner_ | vs_zach: pdo |
| 05:49.32 | kang1 | takatumi: i get 'no such file or directory' on /proc.. |
| 05:49.39 | streuner_ | vs_zach: just use official sources |
| 05:49.49 | streuner_ | vs_zach: run 'apt-setup' |
| 05:49.55 | vs_zach | ubuntu has crappy sources |
| 05:50.10 | vs_zach | i got a 2 year old package version |
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| 05:50.13 | streuner_ | vs_zach: we aren't care, we are in #debian |
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| 05:50.25 | irreverentrevere | vs_zach ubunto is not debian |
| 05:50.25 | red | ok, at the end, I cant fix my xfs filesystem |
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| 05:50.42 | poonj | hey guys... |
| 05:50.48 | red | it seems my hard drive has a few badblocks, and XFS doesnt support working on filesystems with bad blocks |
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| 05:50.52 | poonj | I can't find the setenv command in my box.. |
| 05:50.55 | poonj | is there something I'm missing? |
| 05:51.03 | red | so, cant think of a better reason now to NOT use xfs |
| 05:51.10 | irreverentrevere | ubuntu has broken the apt sources anyway, the debian ones dont work on it. |
| 05:51.34 | maher | poonj: depends on your shell |
| 05:51.41 | poonj | maher: using bash |
| 05:51.44 | inu | poonj, that's a shell builtin, eg tcsh |
| 05:51.53 | poonj | okay |
| 05:51.58 | maher | poonj: setenv is tcsh isn't it? do you watn export |
| 05:52.03 | inu | poonj, bash has export for that |
| 05:52.07 | poonj | oh thats right |
| 05:52.09 | siropel | where is the init script in debian ? ... |
| 05:52.10 | poonj | crap, okay thanks |
| 05:53.07 | maher | siropel: /etc/init.d, /etc/rc?.d |
| 05:53.51 | takatumi | irreverentrevere: module - thermal |
| 05:53.59 | irreverentrevere | takatumi thanks |
| 05:54.09 | irreverentrevere | i trtied apci_thermal |
| 05:54.31 | poonj | thanks guys |
| 05:54.43 | takatumi | even the help files sometimes don't mention module names, but google helps. :) |
| 05:55.29 | irreverentrevere | heh |
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| 05:58.17 | suzzi_ | howdy all |
| 05:58.55 | suzzi_ | other then samba does any one know a way to share the printer that I want to connect to my debian box with my laptop (OSX) ? |
| 05:59.03 | jm_ | suzzi: CUPS |
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| 05:59.34 | michal_d | is there no source package for kernel-image-2.6.11-1.386? |
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| 05:59.45 | suzzi_ | jm_: cool |
| 05:59.48 | michal_d | kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 even |
| 05:59.53 | terr | Is there any reson I should not do a dist upgrade with synaptic rather than doing this by hand with apt? |
| 06:00.02 | takatumi | kang1: try modprobe thermal |
| 06:00.14 | suzzi_ | suzzi hello |
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| 06:00.33 | jm_ | michal_d: did you even check what apt-cache says about it? |
| 06:00.34 | zignig | suzzi_: OSX can talk classic lpd |
| 06:00.44 | maher | siropel: don't msg me - add a script to /etc/init.d and use update-rc.d |
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| 06:01.00 | suzzi_ | zignig: would I have to pipe that through via ssh? |
| 06:01.14 | zignig | suzzi_: nope. |
| 06:01.29 | jm_ | suzzi: CUPS is default printing system in it, so don't bother with lpd |
| 06:01.29 | michal_d | jm: i did.. but i'm trying to use apt-get buil-dep kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 and it doesn't work |
| 06:01.37 | michal_d | build-dep even |
| 06:01.52 | suzzi_ | zignig: I'm sorry for all the questions, this is the first printer that I will have setup in linux, are there any good HOWTOs" |
| 06:01.56 | zignig | jm_: for OSX ? |
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| 06:02.06 | michal_d | E: Unable to find a source package for kernel-image-2.6.11-i386 |
| 06:02.09 | suzzi_ | zignig: well more shareing via linux |
| 06:02.15 | zignig | suzzi_: umm not sure , google is always a good start. |
| 06:02.19 | maher | michal_d: its called kernel-source |
| 06:02.21 | suzzi_ | cool |
| 06:02.22 | jm_ | michal_d: your sources.list liens are screwed or are missing entries |
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| 06:02.27 | jm_ | zignig: yes |
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| 06:02.33 | michal_d | maher: so whhy doesn't apt-get build-dep know that? :/ |
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| 06:02.36 | zignig | jm_: there you go. |
| 06:03.08 | streuner_ | <suzzi_> other then samba does any one know a way to share the printer that I want to connect to my debian box with my laptop (OSX) ? |
| 06:03.11 | zignig | suzzi_: http://mumford1.dyndns.org/~bs7452/linuxhelp/cups.html |
| 06:03.12 | maher | michal_d: umm... good q |
| 06:03.15 | michal_d | jm: i have deb sources with identical deb-src sources (except that deb is deb-src instead) |
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| 06:03.29 | jm_ | michal_d: for unstable? |
| 06:03.41 | ecfx | Is unstable the same as sarge? |
| 06:03.46 | ecfx | testing/unstable are the same? |
| 06:03.51 | pipeline | No |
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| 06:03.54 | michal_d | hmm.. good point.. |
| 06:03.57 | pipeline | Unstable is newer -- and things break occasionally. |
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| 06:04.28 | streuner_ | Does OSX even support CUPS? |
| 06:04.42 | maher | streuner_: should do - it sin fink if not |
| 06:04.44 | michal_d | OSX printing is based on CUPS |
| 06:04.46 | irreverentrevere | streuner_ check #osx |
| 06:05.00 | jm_ | indeed, CUPS is its default printing system |
| 06:05.10 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: tell that somebody else |
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| 06:06.17 | irreverentrevere | streuner_ just saying that they might know what osx supports better than we do. no offense meant |
| 06:06.32 | streuner_ | no worries |
| 06:08.21 | yoc | how to change console into 53 lines instead of 25 lines? |
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| 06:08.53 | jm_ | yoc: read svga.txt |
| 06:09.10 | kang1 | kkkk |
| 06:09.18 | yoc | jm_, danke |
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| 06:10.20 | yoc | jm_, but i want to change other than in boot time |
| 06:10.38 | jm_ | yoc: then you'll have to resort to stm or FB |
| 06:10.52 | yoc | jm_, what's stm? |
| 06:11.01 | yoc | jm_, how to change vidoe mode in FB? |
| 06:11.05 | jm_ | yoc: apt-cache show svgatextmode |
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| 06:11.29 | jm_ | yoc: that's explained in FB docs, then there are utils like fbset - I never used and liked FB, so don't ask me for details |
| 06:11.44 | yoc | jm_, thanks |
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| 06:20.39 | Rucas | I'm trying to install debian on an MD raid0 array, and after the array is created and partitioned, /dev/md/0 works but not /dev/md/0p1 (it is missing as well as the other partitions so the installer cannot format them.) any ideas about what i should do? |
| 06:20.58 | irreverentrevere | ok, i installed a new pci card (fw controller) how do i see if the kernel sees it? |
| 06:21.07 | Rucas | when i "cfdisk /dev/md/0" all the partitions show up properly. |
| 06:21.07 | streuner_ | dmesg |
| 06:21.16 | maher | irreverentrevere: lspci |
| 06:21.55 | irreverentrevere | maher shit then... that didnt show anything, and a quick scan of dmesg didnt show anything either... |
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| 06:22.24 | maher | irreverentrevere: test it with a standard kernel |
| 06:22.25 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: use 'usenet' if the controller is even supported |
| 06:22.29 | Rucas | I'm trying to install debian on an MD raid0 array, and after the array is created and partitioned, /dev/md/0 works but not /dev/md/0p1 (it is missing as well as the other partitions so the installer cannot format them.) any ideas about what i should do? when i "cfdisk /dev/md/0" all the partitions show up but they do not show up in /dev at all |
| 06:22.55 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: lspci should you in any case something |
| 06:22.56 | mwilson | Yes, because you don't partition a software RAID. |
| 06:23.04 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: show* |
| 06:23.32 | irreverentrevere | streuner_ yeah, i didnt see anything new on it.... |
| 06:23.42 | WTL1977 | whats the best graphics interface for debian? |
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| 06:23.56 | valdyn | !best |
| 06:23.56 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 06:24.02 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: what kernel? |
| 06:24.07 | Rucas | mwilson: then what do i do? i couldn't get this intel fakeraid working properly so i figured i'd just use MD |
| 06:24.14 | terr | I'm doing a dist upgrade using synaptic and I see I have a package failure . why would that be? |
| 06:24.19 | WTL1977 | best as in like mac os gui |
| 06:24.24 | irreverentrevere | 2.6.10 custom |
| 06:24.26 | WTL1977 | and easy to use/understand |
| 06:24.34 | mwilson | Rucas: What gave you the idea you needed to partition it? |
| 06:25.07 | terr | Synaptic did not tell me why the package failed and it doesnot seem to keep a damn log. |
| 06:25.08 | Rucas | mwilson: the fact that it shows up as a disk in the installer along with the two drives i added raid partitions to, |
| 06:25.11 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: use an official 2.6.x kernel |
| 06:25.20 | WTL1977 | ok to make it simple i just installed woody and i need to know how to install something like ICEwm or X window |
| 06:25.33 | crashbg | i've installed language-env and now half of the apps are at my native language, but i want them back to ENGLISH without loosing my kbdset, how? |
| 06:25.33 | maher | WTL1977: use tasksel |
| 06:25.34 | WTL1977 | btw imma a dummy on linux |
| 06:25.38 | irreverentrevere | streuner_ cant right now, but i will try that next |
| 06:25.51 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: ok, groups.google.com |
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| 06:26.08 | WTL1977 | maher : under commadn prompt type tasksel? |
| 06:26.14 | Rucas | mwilson: what is the proper way to approach it? |
| 06:26.17 | maher | WTL1977: yes - as root |
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| 06:26.32 | WTL1977 | maher : so i can select the package i wanna install yah? |
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| 06:27.12 | maher | WTL1977: you can select things like desktop |
| 06:27.25 | maher | WTL1977: it installs a huge bunch of stuff at once |
| 06:27.32 | Rucas | mwilson: never mind i figured it out :) |
| 06:27.43 | irreverentrevere | would it be possible it didnt show up due to an IRQ issue? i have a bunch of acpi pci interupts in my dmesg that i dont recall being there... |
| 06:27.55 | maher | WTL1977: use aptitude / dselect / apt-get / synaptic / whatever for a more granular approach |
| 06:28.08 | maher | irreverentrevere: yeah - try a different slot |
| 06:28.10 | WTL1977 | maher : ok i think i got the minimal install for woody ... should i get the full CD image .. oh btw i using a P1 133mhz 16mb what u think |
| 06:28.16 | WTL1977 | is good from debian? |
| 06:28.21 | irreverentrevere | maher thanks, i can give that a go |
| 06:28.27 | maher | WTL1977: if you have a fast net connection just dl stuff |
| 06:29.05 | WTL1977 | maher : hmmzz with a 1GB hdd i dont think i can get much into it anyways .. my PC has a fast connection |
| 06:29.19 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: no |
| 06:29.25 | maher | WTL1977: that's enough for X + wm |
| 06:29.35 | maher | WTL1977: full gnome + kde will start to fill it |
| 06:29.51 | WTL1977 | yeah ful gnome file is 613mb |
| 06:29.51 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: lspci should show you any case something, if you ACPI use or not |
| 06:30.04 | WTL1977 | not to mention when i fully install it |
| 06:30.22 | maher | irreverentrevere: i have had motherboards with weird bugs like cards would work in one slot but not another |
| 06:30.23 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: you can that off everytime with kerneloptions in your bootloader |
| 06:30.31 | WTL1977 | maher : x + wm .. i know wm is window manager but wat is X ?? sorry but imma a linux dummy |
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| 06:30.36 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: turn off* |
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| 06:31.03 | maher | WTL1977: X - purty windows |
| 06:31.16 | takatumi | if apm does not work either, it is not a safe option to disable acpi. |
| 06:31.16 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: Do you need ACPI? |
| 06:31.38 | streuner_ | !acpi |
| 06:31.38 | dpkg | i heard acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 06:31.41 | WTL1977 | maher : purty windows ... can i find that in www.debian.org |
| 06:31.44 | takatumi | boards could get fried. |
| 06:31.45 | greister | why I cann't authenticate vsftpd using the pam-mysql module. |
| 06:32.04 | burnt-toast | WTL1977: think of X as what makes windowing possible and then think of your window manager as what makes it pretty and functional :-) |
| 06:32.28 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: i doubt that you need ACPI at all, just turn it off |
| 06:32.32 | pipeline | WTL1977: The window manager lets you move windows around, close them, etc |
| 06:32.38 | WTL1977 | maher : so X is the OS and WM is the GUI |
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| 06:32.59 | burnt-toast | WTL hmm X is not the os but X is what makes your video hardware give your the ability to do windows |
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| 06:33.11 | WTL1977 | ah so i see |
| 06:33.34 | WTL1977 | so correct me if i am wrong ... install woody r04 .. then install X+WM |
| 06:33.37 | burnt-toast | window manager is a collection of programs / configuration that gives you icons, clipboard, taskbars etc... |
| 06:33.44 | WTL1977 | so i can have a windows like environment |
| 06:33.54 | burnt-toast | lol ... yeah |
| 06:33.58 | pipeline | burnt-toast: No -- a window manager is just a window manager. A single binary. |
| 06:33.59 | WTL1977 | coool |
| 06:33.59 | gpm | burnt-toast: strictly speaking, a window manager just manages windows |
| 06:34.04 | pipeline | WTL1977: IF you don't know what you're doing, you want Sarge. |
| 06:34.04 | takatumi | WTL1977: started the install already? |
| 06:34.08 | pipeline | WTL1977: Woody is ooooold. |
| 06:34.11 | Guerin | ]a desktop nenvironment provides all that other shit |
| 06:34.13 | WTL1977 | oh nah |
| 06:34.17 | burnt-toast | ok for all reading my post please understand my audience |
| 06:34.20 | WTL1977 | i JUST reformated off my woody |
| 06:34.32 | takatumi | WTL1977: then start with sarge instead. |
| 06:34.33 | WTL1977 | looking for sarge now .. lolz |
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| 06:34.36 | takatumi | !d-i WTL1977 |
| 06:34.37 | gpm | WTL1977: use unstable, or use mandrake or something |
| 06:34.37 | dpkg | WTL1977, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:34.42 | burnt-toast | i like the netinst cd image |
| 06:34.46 | WTL1977 | taka : can it support a P1 133mhz 16mb 1GB hdd? |
| 06:34.54 | gpm | WTL1977: yes |
| 06:35.02 | gpm | is he trolling? |
| 06:35.05 | Guerin | gpm: don't fucking tell newbies to use unstable, and don't proselytise other distros in #debian |
| 06:35.17 | Guerin | gpm: are you? |
| 06:35.25 | WTL1977 | dpkg : thks will read through it ... |
| 06:35.34 | starscalling | goes to bed night night world try to get along without me.... *suggests pr0n* |
| 06:35.53 | gpm | Guerin: well, i wouldn't recommend debian to people asking these kinds of questions, since they tend to fear documentation |
| 06:36.00 | burnt-toast | dpkg is not a real person ... its a bot that is used to answer noob-ish questions or frequently asked questions |
| 06:36.13 | gpm | Guerin: i agree though that recommending unstable to a newb was a mistake |
| 06:36.17 | gpm | Guerin: no, i am not trolling |
| 06:36.18 | bobi | I started using gnu/linux on a mandrake 9.2 -nice to come from MSwin- , then tried debian/gentoo/fedora alternatively.I currently run fedora3 and I have a sarge in a second disk for testing.I use my pc for desktop/multimedia, and I read rms considers ututo as the only free software based distro.As I agree with the fsf philosophy, is fedora a good choice or should I turn to ubuntu, or debian ? |
| 06:36.39 | WTL1977 | =.= |
| 06:36.40 | WTL1977 | oh |
| 06:36.49 | Guerin | bobi: debian is the only distribution with stong free software policy |
| 06:36.50 | gpm | Guerin: btw, do you really have to curse about it? i mean really...is it that big a deal? |
| 06:36.50 | pipeline | bobi: I'd go with Debian, duh. |
| 06:36.57 | streuner_ | Guerin: your turn ;-) |
| 06:36.58 | Guerin | though, that said, it's still not strong enough for the fsf |
| 06:37.11 | pipeline | The FSF is a bit biased on that subject. |
| 06:37.11 | Guerin | gpm: yeah, I curse all the time. Deal. |
| 06:37.15 | burnt-toast | bobi: depends entirely on your aptitude (no pun intended) and application for your OS i think |
| 06:37.16 | pipeline | The current DFSG is pretty damn strong. |
| 06:37.19 | Guerin | pipeline: strangely enough. |
| 06:37.27 | irreverentrevere | gpm when did Guerin curse? |
| 06:37.40 | gpm | Guerin gpm: don't fucking tell newbies to use unstable, and don't proselytise other distros in #debian |
| 06:37.45 | gpm | it doesn't matter |
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| 06:37.49 | Guerin | irreverentrevere: practically every fucking line |
| 06:37.54 | irreverentrevere | the worst i saw was shit.... thats not a curse word |
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| 06:38.00 | irreverentrevere | bah, fuck is not a curse |
| 06:38.09 | greister | Who can tell me how to authenticate vsftpd using the pam-mysql module? |
| 06:38.10 | Guerin | it's punctuation |
| 06:38.12 | irreverentrevere | curse is like god damn |
| 06:38.12 | gpm | anyway, it's too bad you curse all the time, because then the words lose their effect. |
| 06:38.16 | burnt-toast | i love m$ = curse |
| 06:38.16 | gpm | hahaha |
| 06:38.22 | WTL1977 | wow it has 14 iso .. lucky i need only the 1st one |
| 06:38.23 | gpm | fuckin' a |
| 06:38.23 | bobi | thanks everyone.And what about...ubuntu? IS it a good thing for the fsf or not? |
| 06:38.24 | burnt-toast | or maybe a plague |
| 06:38.24 | gpm | i'm out |
| 06:38.38 | Guerin | bobi: read their free software policy. |
| 06:38.39 | irreverentrevere | bobi use debian for fsf |
| 06:39.02 | pipeline | bobi: Ubuntu is controlled by a privately-held corporation. Fedora is controlled by a publically-held, for-profit corporation. Debian is controlled by a community of people like you and me -- which would YOU trust? |
| 06:39.04 | Guerin | bobi: afaik it's close to debain, but they allow themselves much more wiggle room. |
| 06:39.14 | Guerin | pipeline's point is the main one |
| 06:39.20 | pipeline | Guerin: It's owned by a for-profit company -- how could it be close to Debian? |
| 06:39.32 | bobi | i feel debian is the right way too .... |
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| 06:39.38 | Guerin | pipeline: their stated policy explicitly mentions the DFSG |
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| 06:39.43 | bykte | how do i kill a user account from root? |
| 06:39.49 | Guerin | bykte: slay |
| 06:39.59 | pipeline | Guerin: That policy can change at any time. |
| 06:40.01 | bykte | not found u ass |
| 06:40.09 | pipeline | bykte: u install it u ass |
| 06:40.19 | bykte | :D |
| 06:40.25 | Guerin | pipeline: indeed. |
| 06:40.26 | bykte | no serious |
| 06:40.28 | streuner_ | !info slay |
| 06:40.34 | dpkg | slay: (Kills all of the user's processes), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.4 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 06:40.34 | bykte | userdel: user bykte is currently logged in |
| 06:40.34 | bykte | /usr/sbin/deluser: `userdel bykte' returned error code 8. Aborting. |
| 06:40.36 | Guerin | !installit |
| 06:40.36 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 06:40.45 | Guerin | bykte: you fucking idiot. Why do you even have root? |
| 06:41.01 | bykte | because people like you exist |
| 06:41.07 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 06:41.11 | pipeline | !lol |
| 06:41.11 | dpkg | LOL stands for Laughs Out Loud, or (more commonly) Lamer On Line. If you insist on using this atrocity, try "/me lol" (preferably after /join #teenchat). "heh" or "haha" is greatly preferred. See also <loll>. |
| 06:41.29 | burnt-toast | dpkg is a troll :-p |
| 06:41.46 | yoc | are there any gui mutt like gvim to vim? |
| 06:41.58 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 06:42.00 | jm_ | yoc: not really, sylpheed's pretty nice though |
| 06:42.04 | streuner_ | somebody fixed the thingie: 'dpkg is blah' |
| 06:42.07 | dondelelcaro | yoc: just use mutt in an xterm |
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| 06:42.19 | WTL1977 | would u guys recommend icewm for the x+wm addon? |
| 06:42.32 | burnt-toast | i like it for underpowered computers |
| 06:42.43 | burnt-toast | its pretty close to a slimmed down windows menu system |
| 06:42.50 | WTL1977 | yup just what my comp is underpowered .... XD |
| 06:42.57 | burnt-toast | dually noted |
| 06:43.01 | yoc | !sylpheed |
| 06:43.01 | dpkg | sylpheed is probably a great GTK+ email/news client with a boatload of features, kick ass UI, stable and VERY fast, or http://freshmeat.net/img/screenshots/10150.jpg |
| 06:43.09 | irreverentrevere | streuner_ a new pci fixed it, thanks |
| 06:43.10 | Guerin | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/philosophy/ # 404 |
| 06:43.34 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: thank maher |
| 06:43.45 | WTL1977 | burnt : theres lite common and gnome for icewm .. which one will be good? |
| 06:43.50 | irreverentrevere | he is offline, so i though i could at least inform you |
| 06:43.56 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 06:44.23 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: as i said before, you prolly doesn't nee ACPI |
| 06:44.29 | streuner_ | need* |
| 06:44.36 | irreverentrevere | prolly |
| 06:44.49 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep :) |
| 06:44.52 | irreverentrevere | i am in upto my neck with what NEEDS to be done, though |
| 06:45.02 | burnt-toast | WTL1977: common |
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| 06:45.10 | liable | where are icons kept, I cant remember |
| 06:45.19 | WTL1977 | burnt : thks |
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| 06:45.21 | burnt-toast | gnome installs all sorts of gnome support packages as well |
| 06:45.22 | irreverentrevere | streuner_ removing it is a summer job, not a right before finals, i have 4 term projects due kinda job |
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| 06:45.30 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: grep source doc of your kernel for 'acpi' and read under which circumstances you need ACPI |
| 06:45.33 | bobi | and is sid a reasonable choice for a dayly-use? I mean sarge has relatively old gnome, and I'd like to use latest vresion since I use my pc for desktop and not as a server? |
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| 06:45.51 | Guerin | bobi: no. |
| 06:45.51 | bobi | gnome and other |
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| 06:46.06 | bobi | ok |
| 06:46.11 | Guerin | bobi: track testing and when sarge is released, you'll get etch. |
| 06:46.12 | burnt-toast | *grumble... just pulled the power cord out of the wall ... |
| 06:46.30 | bobi | "when sarge is released" when.... |
| 06:46.43 | bobi | ; ) |
| 06:46.47 | burnt-toast | bobi i use sid every day... but then again ive been on debian for 4 years now... (my servers run sarge) |
| 06:46.55 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: very easy, just add a kerneloptions line into your bootloader, in lilo append="noacpi" |
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| 06:47.11 | burnt-toast | bobi: for my home machines i use sid |
| 06:47.18 | burnt-toast | and rarely have problems |
| 06:47.27 | burnt-toast | but that may just be my luck |
| 06:48.11 | bobi | yes, since sound does not work by default on sarge with my p4p800se soud card integrated |
| 06:48.37 | bobi | but does on ubuntu; |
| 06:48.45 | burnt-toast | i have to run sid on my laptop to get everything to work right |
| 06:48.50 | burnt-toast | and its a p-III |
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| 06:49.01 | bobi | that i did not know was a profit organisation |
| 06:49.06 | servus | Weird. My /etc/network/interfaces only has eth0 once, and as static, but my eth0 IP Address just spontaneously reset itself to some random (DHCP-looking) number. What gives? |
| 06:49.25 | burnt-toast | the only thing i dont have working right at this point is the little "undock" button on the side |
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| 06:49.43 | burnt-toast | servus: what is the number? |
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| 06:49.58 | streuner_ | bobi: what kernel do you use in ubuntu? |
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| 06:50.12 | servus | It set it to 192.168.1.47. |
| 06:50.15 | servus | http://sourcepost.sytes.net/sourcepost/sourceview.aspx?source_id=23182 |
| 06:50.31 | servus | I've never had that happen before. |
| 06:50.44 | burnt-toast | and what number did it set its self back to? |
| 06:50.53 | streuner_ | bobi: and what kernel in debian? |
| 06:51.06 | servus | Well it's supposed to be 192.168.1.150. It spontaneously set itself to 192.168.1.47. |
| 06:51.11 | bobi | streuner it was the 2.6 by default in the hoary live cd |
| 06:51.20 | servus | Which would be Very Bad if I didn't have local access to the machine. |
| 06:51.38 | servus | What could reset the network card like that? |
| 06:52.12 | zignig | servus: is it running dhcp on that interface ? |
| 06:52.20 | bobi | streuner in debian it is the 2.4 installed by default and the latest 2.6smp |
| 06:52.24 | servus | No. Look at what I posted :P |
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| 06:52.28 | burnt-toast | servus: is that the contents of your interfaces file? |
| 06:52.35 | servus | Yes, see /etc/network/interfaces :P |
| 06:52.45 | valdyn | servus: ps aux | grep dhclient |
| 06:52.46 | burnt-toast | hmm |
| 06:52.57 | servus | Ah, yes, dhclient is running. |
| 06:53.11 | zignig | servus: tada :P |
| 06:53.12 | bobi | audio on my mobo is 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 06:53.15 | servus | What's the proper way to stop services from starting at bootup in Debian? |
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| 06:53.29 | servus | Thanks, zignig. I just didn't know what it was called :P |
| 06:53.29 | zignig | servus: install rcconf |
| 06:53.35 | valdyn | servus: thats not a "service" in that sense |
| 06:53.37 | zignig | servus: no problem :P |
| 06:53.40 | bobi | I go making my coffee guys |
| 06:53.45 | servus | Yeah but I don't want to just delete the /etc/init.d |
| 06:53.51 | burnt-toast | rcconf |
| 06:54.06 | burnt-toast | you sure dont want to delete that :D |
| 06:54.13 | servus | Great, it reset my route table. |
| 06:54.21 | burnt-toast | $hit happens |
| 06:54.28 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 06:54.31 | burnt-toast | I hate that |
| 06:54.46 | valdyn | servus: kill your dhclient, then "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
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| 06:55.16 | servus | I just don't know where the config files are for stuff like this:). Like where would I set route? /etc/network/if-up.d/something? |
| 06:55.23 | servus | valdyn, not good for when it reboots : o) |
| 06:55.40 | burnt-toast | servus: use the route command |
| 06:55.45 | burnt-toast | man route |
| 06:55.46 | valdyn | servus: when you reboot it will run a /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 06:55.49 | servus | burnt-toast, That is not a permanent solution |
| 06:55.55 | valdyn | servus: dhclient will not be started |
| 06:56.05 | servus | burnt-toast, I know how to route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1. I want it done whenever the eth0 device is started. |
| 06:56.05 | burnt-toast | servus: hmm it keeps mine across reboots |
| 06:56.16 | servus | If I do an ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 it gets wiped. |
| 06:56.26 | burnt-toast | hmm |
| 06:56.43 | jm_ | Servo888: man interfaces, pay attention to gateway line |
| 06:56.47 | jm_ | servus ^^^^^^^ |
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| 06:57.02 | burnt-toast | course i havent rebooted since putting that install of linux on there :D |
| 06:57.16 | jm_ | servus: but I'd rather fix your DHCP server if it's sending you wrong default gateway |
| 06:57.25 | burnt-toast | static route |
| 06:57.29 | servus | OK jm_ that'll work,but I'd still like to know the answer to the question : o) |
| 06:57.48 | burnt-toast | ima check into static routes across reboots... one sec |
| 06:57.58 | servus | Beside, dhclient isn't showing up in rcconf |
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| 06:58.06 | servus | burnt-toast, Just do an ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 :P |
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| 06:58.15 | burnt-toast | no lol |
| 06:58.40 | jm_ | servus: for DHCP you can configure things in DHCP client itself (i.e. don't accept this from DHCP server, or use this if DHCP server doesn't send it, ...) - for static configuration, use man interfaces and /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/* |
| 06:59.23 | servus | *Sigh* apt-get remove dhcp-client. Good enough. |
| 06:59.45 | burnt-toast | servus: just use a line in interfaces that says "gateway 192.168.0.1" or the like |
| 07:00.14 | servus | I did and that works, burnt-toast. Still doesn't tell me how to prevent dhclient etc. from actually starting up at boot. rcconf doesn't show it... So, I just uninstalled dhcp-client. |
| 07:00.39 | jm_ | well it may be started by ifup |
| 07:00.43 | valdyn | servus: it doesnt start if you specify static instead of dhcp in /etc/ppp/interfaces |
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| 07:00.58 | servus | I don't use PPP. |
| 07:01.07 | valdyn | servus: it doesnt start if you specify static instead of dhcp in /etc/networking/interfaces |
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| 07:01.25 | burnt-toast | servus: when you did ps aux | grep dhclient how many results were returned? |
| 07:01.31 | servus | 1. |
| 07:01.31 | valdyn | servus :ffs /etc/network/interfaces even |
| 07:01.43 | Steven77 | Pour les personnes qui veulent fair partis d'une team de hacking vener me voir en pv merci !! |
| 07:01.43 | servus | :ffs? |
| 07:01.44 | Steven77 | For the people who want to fair parties of a TEAM of hacking vener to thank you see me in statement!! |
| 07:01.47 | vortek | Is there any real anti spoofing protection in debian? So I don't have to worry bout users sending out spoofed udp packets or spoofed tcp frags ? Or incase I get rooted my host is not used as a zombie host.. If so were are these settings ? |
| 07:01.48 | burnt-toast | that was listing the grep its self |
| 07:01.58 | burnt-toast | the program was not running on the machine at that time |
| 07:01.59 | servus | No, burnt-toast. |
| 07:02.07 | burnt-toast | re-run that command and look at the very right side |
| 07:02.09 | servus | It was. I meant it returned one valid result, and one grep. |
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| 07:02.14 | burnt-toast | ah ok |
| 07:02.17 | jm_ | vortek: /etc/networking/options |
| 07:02.21 | servus | I know what I saw. It was running. I uninstalled it :P |
| 07:02.21 | burnt-toast | wanted to make sure |
| 07:02.32 | jm_ | vortek: it relies on kernel's spoof protection |
| 07:02.35 | burnt-toast | have you apt-get removed it yet? lol |
| 07:02.42 | servus | Yeah a while ago. |
| 07:02.43 | jm_ | uhm, /etc/network/options |
| 07:02.55 | servus | DHCP does me no good. I don't use wireless. |
| 07:02.57 | vortek | rp_filer on or off I take it |
| 07:03.10 | jm_ | right |
| 07:03.16 | vortek | jm_: are there any optoins in the actualy kernel config that prevent spoofing ? |
| 07:03.28 | jm_ | vortek: you mentioned it above |
| 07:03.37 | servus | http://sourcepost.sytes.net/sourcepost/sourceview.aspx?source_id=23183 /etc/network/options |
| 07:03.41 | burnt-toast | servus: does it still try to start it or something? |
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| 07:03.51 | jm_ | vortek: but if you mean sending spoofed packets from your host, then the answer is no |
| 07:04.13 | servus | burnt-toast, Nah. I squished it so it cannot even try. I'm fine now, but I'd still like to know how to properly prevent a daemon from starting up at runtime without having to uninstall it. rcconf didn't help. |
| 07:04.22 | vortek | jm_ so there is no protection from sending spoofed packets from the actual host ? |
| 07:04.26 | wilbertoki | at mysql console I tyoe phpgroupware > php.sql and it keeps saying sql syntax error, how do I restore mysql db? |
| 07:04.37 | servus | vortek, you could probably set up iptables to do that. |
| 07:04.41 | vortek | cool |
| 07:04.44 | vortek | Probaly |
| 07:04.45 | jm_ | vortek: not in the vanilla kernel, maybe there are some patches out there |
| 07:04.51 | vortek | sweet |
| 07:05.03 | karl | hi I need to change the recipient adress for a domain How do I do that with exim |
| 07:05.05 | servus | wilbertoki, In the MySQL client? You probably want to do something like \. php.sql |
| 07:05.21 | vortek | Well If I remember correctly comcast filters spoofed at the routers so I think im safe with my home linux shell servers . |
| 07:05.25 | wilbertoki | servus: yes in the msql client |
| 07:05.47 | vortek | Can any one confirm or deny the fact that comcast filters at the router.. I've heard it from lots of people. |
| 07:06.06 | wilbertoki | servius: ive read 5 howtos and they sall say do db_name > textfile |
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| 07:06.26 | wilbertoki | servus: it keeps giving me systax error though |
| 07:06.30 | burnt-toast | ooo |
| 07:06.51 | burnt-toast | servus check out this file and see if anything is uncommented if u have it ... /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 07:07.25 | servus | Thanks for the tip, but nah, it's all commented. |
| 07:07.39 | vortek | thanxs for the help before also :) |
| 07:07.43 | servus | wilbertoki, possibly a problem with your SQL script itself? |
| 07:07.56 | servus | (I don't think I have the problem anymore, though) |
| 07:08.04 | servus | I should go out for food before it's too late... |
| 07:08.17 | servus | I got a brand new project yesterday, and it's supposed to be done by Monday >.< |
| 07:08.24 | burnt-toast | servus: my guess is that it is called inside of the network scripts |
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| 07:09.25 | servus | Okay. I noticed that my network went out when a song I was streaming off my server cut out. I thought the hard drives melted again. I almost yelped. |
| 07:09.44 | burnt-toast | melted? |
| 07:09.51 | abel | hi all is there any gnu implementation of java compilator design to work with kaffe ? |
| 07:10.28 | servus | burnt-toast, I go through a lot of hard drives >.< |
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| 07:10.55 | burnt-toast | servus: yeah but melted? |
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| 07:11.16 | servus | Well one literally melted. The others just went kaput for various reasons, probably heat-related. |
| 07:11.22 | burnt-toast | you might have your house checked to make sure it is not in the path of a satellite microwave beam or something lol |
| 07:11.43 | servus | I send off EMF or something. Whenever I walk down the street, streetlights go off. *boggles* |
| 07:12.02 | servus | Middle of the night. Streetlights go off as I walk under them. |
| 07:12.09 | burnt-toast | i walked into circut city today and fried a laptop :/ |
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| 07:12.18 | servus | I caught my motherboard on fire once by spitting on it. |
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| 07:12.33 | pipeline | I've run a motherboard on carpet |
| 07:12.34 | pipeline | in the winter |
| 07:12.35 | burnt-toast | they had some new carpet and i was wearing dress shoes... |
| 07:12.43 | servus | Lol. |
| 07:12.48 | pipeline | Once I kicked a DVD drive over while ripping a porno. |
| 07:12.51 | burnt-toast | walked up... POP... |
| 07:12.53 | pipeline | Dug grooves all the way through the disc. |
| 07:12.57 | servus | Hee hee! |
| 07:13.00 | pipeline | Both the disc and the drive still work. |
| 07:13.21 | bobi | well, last question before I choose to erase my well-working fedora : Is slackware at the same level that debian about fsf ? |
| 07:13.29 | burnt-toast | pipeline: i had a cd-rom do that once... all i did was move it from horizontal to vertical real quick while it was at max tilt |
| 07:14.00 | servus | I just leaned over and gave myself a bruise on the thigh with my elbow. |
| 07:14.08 | pipeline | bobi: Slackware is run by one guy, who is in ill health. It may not be around much longer. And if your fedora works fine, well, why break it? |
| 07:14.27 | burnt-toast | that is a sign that you need to get more excercise out of the house then you do lol |
| 07:14.39 | bobi | just to be closer to fsf speech |
| 07:14.43 | servus | I like how Fedora Core3 comes with mysql 3.23 (which is junk) in the sake of "stability"... but it comes with gcc 3.4... 3.4!?! NOTHING compiles with gcc 3.4. |
| 07:15.04 | burnt-toast | bobi i think if you opt not to use windows that makes the biggest difference |
| 07:15.12 | pipeline | bobi: Well, Debian is /the/ Free distribution. |
| 07:15.17 | bobi | I do too. |
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| 07:16.02 | burnt-toast | i dont like fedora core (used to appreciate the nitch that red hat was filling with the desktop OS) but since it moved from red hat i have despised it... |
| 07:16.25 | burnt-toast | actually i didnt much care for RH 9 |
| 07:16.45 | burnt-toast | especially the broken / missing mp3 support on standard install |
| 07:17.11 | bobi | But I read a little documents tose days on the fsf webpage, differences between open source, fsf and bsd ; and the ethics run by fsf is great |
| 07:17.54 | pipeline | bobi: If you don't include the "contrib" or "non-free" categories in debian, you can have an entirely fsf-free distribution. I think you might find that the "contrib" and "non-free" categories contain a lot of valuable stuff, though. |
| 07:18.16 | burnt-toast | bobi there is a reason that it is called DEBIAN GNU/LINUX |
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| 07:18.22 | bobi | like the nvidia opengl support |
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| 07:18.33 | burnt-toast | emphasis on GNU (not that that is the same thing or anything) |
| 07:18.48 | bobi | I'd rather use GNU and a point |
| 07:18.56 | bykte | nothing compiles with gcc 3.4? |
| 07:18.57 | bykte | lol |
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| 07:19.08 | bobi | gnu/hurd |
| 07:19.09 | Maliuta | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.10 | bykte | dumb |
| 07:20.03 | burnt-toast | in my own mind there is still and always will be a need for closed source software... i just happen to think that we have it backwards which is which in the current market place |
| 07:20.42 | burnt-toast | the OS should be free and some of the programs can be closed source... (hell i dont even mind the closed source drivers as long as they work well) |
| 07:22.01 | burnt-toast | like the nvidia drivers |
| 07:22.22 | burnt-toast | or my USR PCMCIA wireless G card drivers (5410) |
| 07:22.40 | burnt-toast | they use ndiswrapper (bin format driver) and it works excellently |
| 07:22.40 | terr | I've got a dist upgrade problem. I'm trying to go to sarge and I've used synaptic to get the upgrade and now its going through some configuration issues. The trouble is that I did a cvs install of postgresql and its newer than the pakage in sarge. Is there some way to tell synaptic/apt top just leave it alone? |
| 07:23.22 | bobi | great.I think I am going for a sarge. |
| 07:24.12 | liable | terr: apt-get dist-upgrade --no-upgrade foo |
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| 07:25.06 | burnt-toast | oh crap laptop battery is going to die soon... gotta fly... good night all |
| 07:25.08 | terr | liable this is in synaptic and it doesn't give me that option. |
| 07:25.29 | terr | liable I can recompile it anyways. |
| 07:25.32 | streuner_ | bobi: you're welcome. |
| 07:25.50 | burnt-toast | terr: then use apt-get dist-upgrade --no-upgrade postgresql* at the command line |
| 07:26.01 | liable | terr: well just unclick it for upgrade |
| 07:26.53 | burnt-toast | i would strongly recommend against running a dist-upgrade from within X btw |
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| 07:27.04 | irreverentrevere | ok, a win XP box on my network, and an OSX box can get on the web just fine. they can ssh into the debian box, but the debian box cannot ping outsde the network by name . if i use an ip, i can ping it. if i try to ping google.com, it fails, almost like it cant resolve the names. what is wrong? |
| 07:27.16 | liable | burnt-toast: why is that, out of interest |
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| 07:27.41 | burnt-toast | irreverentrevere: check to be sure your nameservers are listed in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:27.44 | terr | liable I didn't click it in the first place. |
| 07:28.03 | irreverentrevere | burnt-toast all it says is "search" |
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| 07:28.07 | burnt-toast | liable: i have had many a package installation or configuration fail because something was in use while in X |
| 07:28.17 | burnt-toast | and you cant see some of the kernel messages from there either |
| 07:28.35 | burnt-toast | irreverentrevere: man resolv.conf |
| 07:28.44 | liable | burnt-toast: oh, ok thanks |
| 07:28.48 | burnt-toast | :D |
| 07:29.24 | liable | terr: if you have told synaptic to do a dist-upgrade, then everything gets selected |
| 07:29.59 | streuner_ | bobi: http://groups.google.de/groups?q=p4p800se%20debian%20&hl=de&lr=&sa=N&tab=wg |
| 07:30.00 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
| 07:30.21 | burnt-toast | ok all laptop battery is now at 3% im logging out now... |
| 07:30.26 | irreverentrevere | burnt-toast once i add a nameserver, how do i get the comp to start using it? automatic? |
| 07:30.49 | streuner_ | bobi: you'll get the sound working in any case, no problem |
| 07:30.54 | burnt-toast | hmm should be... otherwise /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 07:31.25 | streuner_ | bobi: Can you read german? |
| 07:31.28 | burnt-toast | you may want to do man resolvconf |
| 07:31.35 | irreverentrevere | still not getting an ip lookup.... |
| 07:31.52 | bobi | no! i only read the french ant the english |
| 07:32.07 | streuner_ | bobi: http://groups.google.de/groups?q=p4p800se+debian&hl=de&lr=&selm=42271013%40news.uni-rostock.de&rnum=3 |
| 07:32.32 | burnt-toast | irreverentrevere: are you using dhcp for ip on this machine? |
| 07:33.13 | irreverentrevere | burnt-toast nope, static. the other machines have dhcp though |
| 07:33.19 | bobi | thanks everyone, I have to go to my logical lesson.see you soon |
| 07:33.21 | streuner_ | bobi: He said, he using ALSA out of 2.6.11 kernel in sarge and have problems dmix in ALSA - OSS emulation works ok |
| 07:33.21 | burnt-toast | you should have at least one line that says: nameserver AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD in there |
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| 07:33.34 | bobi | streuner ok |
| 07:33.39 | burnt-toast | with your ISP's name server addresses listed in there |
| 07:33.46 | burnt-toast | one item per line |
| 07:33.53 | irreverentrevere | burnt-toast added that to it. i used the nameserver that i got from my isp |
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| 07:34.14 | burnt-toast | irreverentrevere: otherwise i like to cheat by setting up the interface with dhcp |
| 07:34.29 | burnt-toast | and then manually setting it up with a static ip address using ifconfig |
| 07:34.38 | burnt-toast | and then change the text file for it :D |
| 07:34.44 | burnt-toast | interfaces |
| 07:34.55 | burnt-toast | /etc/networking/interfaces |
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| 07:35.02 | silverton | how do I use the orinoco driver as apposed to the hermes driver? |
| 07:35.08 | silverton | just modprobe orinoco? |
| 07:35.18 | burnt-toast | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:35.21 | burnt-toast | MT |
| 07:35.24 | irreverentrevere | trying that |
| 07:36.10 | burnt-toast | it fillls resolv.conf automatically when using most dhcp clients |
| 07:36.40 | silverton | anyone? |
| 07:37.03 | Guerin | just get the ip of a known-good dns server or five, put it in your resolv.conf, and maske it -w |
| 07:37.11 | Guerin | make it -w, I mean |
| 07:37.28 | silverton | 4.2.2.1-4.2.2.5 are good dns servers |
| 07:37.39 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:37.44 | Guerin | and wasy to remember |
| 07:37.45 | silverton | er, 4.2.2.1-4.2.2.6 |
| 07:37.56 | silverton | yes, very easy :) |
| 07:37.58 | burnt-toast | i personally like to setup a DNS server on the local computer and allow only local access... that way it looks up the nameservers out of the root server list :D |
| 07:38.04 | silverton | my resolv.conf file is pretty long |
| 07:38.06 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:38.18 | Guerin | setting up nameservers for each machine is a WOFT |
| 07:38.43 | burnt-toast | i have never had to actually change anything other than blocking access from everything except localhost |
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| 07:39.26 | burnt-toast | and installing bind9 over a 5mbps cable connection during debian installation goes really fast |
| 07:39.34 | streuner_ | bobi: He want use for that sound-chip dmix, so the chip doesn't support it by itself... |
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| 07:39.47 | bob2 | heh, one dns server per network has always seemed like plenty |
| 07:39.53 | tarzeau | is there a list of packages that will be in sarge and which not? |
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| 07:39.59 | streuner_ | bobi: Some emu10k1 supports this out of the box |
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| 07:40.09 | burnt-toast | well ok i lied... the network only gets one... but the mobile computers get their own |
| 07:40.11 | tarzeau | any package in testing NOW will get into sarge? (unless stated with a bug it won't?) |
| 07:40.15 | Guerin | tarzeau: packages.debian.org? |
| 07:40.26 | tarzeau | Guerin: well yes, but ah, no freeze still? |
| 07:40.30 | Guerin | tarzeau: I think that's likely to be true in most cases |
| 07:40.35 | terr | what are the time/udp services used for? |
| 07:40.38 | Guerin | tarzeau: but yeah, i don't know for sure |
| 07:40.52 | Guerin | no freeze yet, afaik |
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| 07:41.03 | streuner_ | terr: where do you got this from? |
| 07:41.09 | burnt-toast | terr: you will want to consult google for that... (search by port number) |
| 07:41.17 | bob2 | terr: nothing |
| 07:41.19 | terr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.27 | burnt-toast | correct |
| 07:41.28 | bob2 | dude |
| 07:41.29 | bob2 | no |
| 07:41.29 | terr | Configuring Netkit-inetd |
| 07:41.47 | bob2 | if you don't use them (and you don't), disable them in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 07:42.01 | burnt-toast | or leave them disabled anyways |
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| 07:42.21 | silverton | can anyone help me with an issues I'm having with my wireless module? |
| 07:42.29 | burnt-toast | ok logging off ... gnight all |
| 07:42.53 | terr | bob2 I've never heard of them before. I don't know what they do or if they are running in this system now. |
| 07:43.02 | trigger | silverton what issue |
| 07:43.02 | hoe | how do I quickly chekp up the value of 12th root of 2, i.e. via some interpreted lang. like bash,perl |
| 07:43.28 | bob2 | terr: disable them in /etc/inetd.conf, then |
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| 07:44.35 | silverton | well, trigger, every now and then, the computer locks, I have a wireless applet and every now and then the computer slows to crawl, locks up even, and the applet displays N/A, I lose all connection to the internet, but the lights on the card stay solid |
| 07:45.10 | cmd | In ISO CD debian r4 , binary ISO 5 is bf24 or bf26? |
| 07:45.20 | streuner_ | no |
| 07:45.31 | bob2 | cmd: of woody? 2.6 didn't exist when woody released. |
| 07:45.54 | irreverentrevere | ok, still no go with the comp... |
| 07:46.06 | trigger | silverton, what card chipset, what driver |
| 07:46.15 | kyle__ | can anybody help configuring firewall in knoppix |
| 07:46.21 | silverton | it's a linksys WMP11 |
| 07:46.21 | cmd | cd binary 5 (r4) is bf4? |
| 07:46.25 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: did you disable ACPI? |
| 07:46.25 | silverton | 802.11b |
| 07:46.39 | streuner_ | kyle__: #knoppix |
| 07:46.41 | trigger | what driver |
| 07:46.48 | trigger | what chipset is that |
| 07:46.58 | silverton | I dunno what chipset :-/ |
| 07:47.03 | irreverentrevere | streuner_ no, not yet, like i said, other fires to extinguish first, like get it working again |
| 07:47.19 | silverton | (osorry if this is a flood) |
| 07:47.22 | silverton | orinoco_pci 6656 0 |
| 07:47.22 | silverton | orinoco 40972 1 orinoco_pci |
| 07:47.22 | silverton | hermes 8640 2 orinoco_pci,orinoco |
| 07:47.22 | trigger | well what driver r u using |
| 07:47.45 | cmd | My computer possesss the new hardware as usb, plate of nvidia net and others. Better to use CD5 (bf4)? |
| 07:47.51 | silverton | 0000:02:06.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
| 07:48.16 | trigger | u may want to try the other prism driver |
| 07:48.35 | trigger | the orinoco driver is no the best for prism or so im told |
| 07:48.36 | silverton | How do I load it? |
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| 07:49.05 | silverton | and make that load on boot, instead of the one that loads now |
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| 07:49.42 | trigger | try modprobe prism |
| 07:49.50 | trigger | that may be wrong though |
| 07:50.04 | trigger | but rm the orinoco stuff 1st |
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| 07:50.11 | silverton | mdule prism not found |
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| 07:50.14 | trigger | rmmod i mean |
| 07:50.29 | silverton | well, I don't want to unload the orinoco stuff and lose my net connction...til I know what to load |
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| 07:51.07 | terr | THis is weird. When a disk has been inactive for this many minutes, noflushd tries to spin it down. Instead of a single value, you can also enter a comma-separated list of timeouts. Whenever noflushd receives a HUP signal, it switches to the next timeout in the list. |
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| 07:51.17 | hoe | silverton: you have the option of using kernel inclueded orinoco driver, the linux-wlang-ng or hostap /which is also capable of AP mode, so you can build the 'software' AP/, but the orinoco driver just works fine, or do you have any specific problem? |
| 07:51.19 | trigger | o the prism driver is prism54 maybe not what u want |
| 07:51.40 | kyle__ | Can anybody help me configuring firewall in knoppix |
| 07:51.41 | terr | I do not have Noflushd running at this time. Is this for a laptop? |
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| 07:51.57 | streuner_ | kyle__: are you learn-resistent? |
| 07:52.06 | silverton | hoe, it locks up my computer, to the point I have to restart |
| 07:52.09 | trigger | lol |
| 07:52.12 | streuner_ | kyle__: we told you to join #knoppix |
| 07:52.13 | jetscreamer | #knoppix |
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| 07:53.52 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: J E T S C R E A M E R ! |
| 07:54.50 | jetscreamer | :::streuner::: <---do you recognize the piers anthony look? |
| 07:55.15 | Supaplex | ? |
| 07:56.23 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: i don't unterstand |
| 07:56.23 | silverton | trigger, would prism2 do it? |
| 07:56.23 | terr | can someone clarify what the xserver is and why I have the option of starting it as root only, console users only and anybody? |
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| 07:56.33 | terr | I do not know how to answer this configuration question |
| 07:56.33 | hoe | silverton: weird, tried many of prism(orinoco) cards, pci/pcmcia, never experienced this;; so you should try the newest version of any of these drivers;; it locks up immediately after driver is loaded? |
| 07:56.44 | jm_ | terr: go with the default |
| 07:56.46 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: Are you refering to my '_' in my nick? |
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| 07:56.50 | silverton | no, it does it after awhile |
| 07:56.59 | silverton | I'm using the orinoco drivers right now |
| 07:57.18 | terr | jm_ I sometimes log into another server and start an x app from there. Does tht erquire starting an xserver? |
| 07:57.42 | trigger | silverton, i would try it, if trouble try the wlang-ng ive heard others use that with success |
| 07:57.44 | jetscreamer | streuner_: piers anthony is an author, and in one of his not so famous series, he had the alien invaders from another galaxy having telepathic meetings, and ::: blah ::: was one of the ways he would define each characters telepathic 'speech' |
| 07:58.14 | silverton | ok, brb |
| 07:58.30 | trigger | gl |
| 07:58.38 | jetscreamer | or something like that |
| 07:58.55 | trigger | terr, yes that requires X |
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| 07:59.17 | jm_ | terr: yes, that question only applies to people that start X server, not X apps |
| 07:59.23 | terr | trigger I know it requires X - but X is always running. |
| 07:59.41 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: You shouldn't read such crap :-) |
| 07:59.55 | jetscreamer | it was a long time ago :/ |
| 08:00.09 | terr | jm_ When does the xserver get started and how often typically? |
| 08:00.28 | trigger | terr, the easy answer to ur question is everbody |
| 08:00.28 | jetscreamer | on boot and every time, typically iirc |
| 08:00.32 | jm_ | terr: when you type startx or if you use display manager, it's at boot |
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| 08:00.47 | terr | jm_ ok not I know what they are asking. |
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| 08:00.56 | terr | s/not/now/ |
| 08:01.30 | hoe | silverton: make sure you have a prism card, `lspci`, really cant't get rid of the feeling you may not have one~ |
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| 08:02.26 | terr | what kernel is in sarge? |
| 08:02.33 | streuner_ | 2.6.8 |
| 08:02.46 | streuner_ | or 2.4.27 |
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| 08:03.24 | terr | streuner_ ITs asking me about the nice valure for the xserver. if 2.4.x then I need -10 and if 2.6 then 0 |
| 08:03.32 | irreverentrevere | From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=3 Destination Net Unreachable |
| 08:03.36 | irreverentrevere | what does that mean? |
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| 08:03.52 | irreverentrevere | that is whai i get when i try to ping out using ips now |
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| 08:03.56 | Maxou | hi all |
| 08:04.12 | Maxou | somebody use debian on a sun blade 100 ? |
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| 08:05.11 | Maxou | when i boot on the sarge cdrom on sun blade 100 |
| 08:05.17 | Maxou | i have a kernel panic |
| 08:05.35 | Maxou | no image ram was found |
| 08:05.42 | bob2 | #sparc might be a better place to ask |
| 08:05.43 | irreverentrevere | how can the net be unreachable? |
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| 08:05.54 | tarzeau | #sparc is a beautiful place to ask |
| 08:05.55 | hoe | irreverentrevere: sounds like you don't have any interface configured on 192.168.1.0/24 network |
| 08:06.00 | bob2 | irreverentrevere: it means 192.168.1.1 said "no idea how to reach the machine you're trying to ping" |
| 08:06.02 | tarzeau | irreverentrevere: no route? |
| 08:06.09 | silverton | well, I don't think that went over all too well |
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| 08:06.27 | irreverentrevere | bob2 odd thing is, i am going through that 192.168.1.1 with the computer i am on IRC with... |
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| 08:06.44 | trigger | silverton, didnt work |
| 08:06.44 | irreverentrevere | bob2 and i am sshed into the machine havign difficulties |
| 08:06.45 | bob2 | irreverentrevere: what ip where you trying to ping? |
| 08:06.54 | silverton | trigger, no |
| 08:06.54 | kevinz | can anyone suggest some good terminal in gnome? |
| 08:06.55 | irreverentrevere | 134.161.1.33 |
| 08:06.59 | bob2 | kevinz: xterm |
| 08:07.03 | tarzeau | kevinz: xterm |
| 08:07.06 | bob2 | irreverentrevere: and you can ssh to it? |
| 08:07.08 | streuner_ | kevinz: aterm |
| 08:07.25 | tarzeau | kevinz: it is also good without gnome *hint, hint* |
| 08:07.40 | irreverentrevere | the one reporting cannot get out... and it is not just that ip i have been pinging... |
| 08:07.45 | bob2 | irreverentrevere: hm, interesting |
| 08:07.46 | silverton | prism54 load, but it loaded up next to "firmware" |
| 08:07.53 | silverton | wlang-ng didn't exist |
| 08:07.56 | silverton | and neither did prism2 |
| 08:08.22 | irreverentrevere | PING 64.233.167.147 (64.233.167.147) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 08:08.22 | irreverentrevere | From 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=1 Destination Net Unreachable |
| 08:08.22 | kevinz | oh thanks, i tried xterm with 10x20 but the font is too big, can i adjust it such that i can be as nice as gnome-terminal? |
| 08:08.40 | bob2 | irreverentrevere: and if you 'traceroute 64.233.167.147'? |
| 08:08.42 | irreverentrevere | but a different machine on the same network has no trouble... |
| 08:09.04 | tarzeau | kevinz: iuse terminals with -fn lime |
| 08:09.15 | tarzeau | kevinz: you know rmb on xterm? |
| 08:09.27 | irreverentrevere | traceroute to 64.233.167.147 (64.233.167.147), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets |
| 08:09.27 | irreverentrevere | 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.575 ms 0.508 ms 0.464 ms |
| 08:09.27 | irreverentrevere | 2 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.473 ms !N 0.515 ms !N 0.474 ms !N |
| 08:09.29 | tarzeau | kevinz: or shift and +/- on aterm? |
| 08:09.42 | kevinz | tarzeau: oops, sorry, i know so little :$ |
| 08:10.00 | trigger | silverton, apt-get linux-wlan-ng linux-wlan-ng-modules.xx.xx.xx then try |
| 08:10.07 | kevinz | tarzeau: could you tell me where should i begin with? |
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| 08:10.15 | tarzeau | dpkg rmb |
| 08:10.15 | dpkg | well, rmb is right-mouse-button |
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| 08:10.21 | tarzeau | kevinz: what i told you |
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| 08:10.45 | silverton | trigger, "apt-cache search wlan" returns nothing like that |
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| 08:11.05 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: are you using an hardware-router? |
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| 08:11.18 | kevinz | tarzeau: xterm: unable to open font "lime", trying "fixed".... |
| 08:11.22 | trigger | silverton, its in unstable |
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| 08:11.23 | takatumi | silverton: which card? |
| 08:11.31 | silverton | trigger, oh okay |
| 08:11.37 | irreverentrevere | streuner_ yeah, i am. |
| 08:11.38 | silverton | takatumi, Linksys WMP11 |
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| 08:11.46 | tarzeau | kevinz: what about you apt-cache search lime and install the artwiz fonts? |
| 08:12.07 | takatumi | silverton: if hostap supports it, give it a try as well. |
| 08:12.09 | streuner_ | irreverentrevere: well, traceroute wouldn't work then |
| 08:12.22 | trigger | silverton, here is the deb pkg link http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/linux-wlan-ng |
| 08:12.28 | oneo | hey guys - i used to have a program start when X started and my disk filled up and i think that some files became corrupted and now the only thing that comes up when X starts is a terminal window...anyone have any ideas what could have been corrupted and how i could fix it? |
| 08:12.29 | irreverentrevere | streuner_ it is a linksys |
| 08:12.30 | takatumi | silverton: I just switched from orinoco to hostap and it works well. |
| 08:13.04 | Crasp | anybody here that has the awstats debian package running for cgi output? i'm trying to set it up but the debian way looks a _lot_ different from the way the awstats docs describe it |
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| 08:13.08 | silverton | yeah, I saw hostap, but wouldn't know how to make the switch... |
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| 08:14.03 | iamcool | debian fucked up my computer |
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| 08:14.06 | iamcool | my windows don't work now |
| 08:14.07 | iamcool | :( |
| 08:14.15 | silverton | trigger, the wlan-ng-modules, they are all 2.4.* |
| 08:14.16 | iamcool | on other computer not this one |
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| 08:14.25 | streuner_ | iamcool: lilo? |
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| 08:14.40 | billyoc | troll-o |
| 08:14.41 | takatumi | silverton: with 2.6 the orinoco drivers are built in. |
| 08:14.49 | iamcool | no |
| 08:14.53 | iamcool | windows don't work |
| 08:15.00 | iamcool | i get something and it says login |
| 08:15.08 | streuner_ | haha |
| 08:15.22 | silverton | takatumi, tell me how to load the hostap drivers |
| 08:15.25 | silverton | please :) |
| 08:15.40 | trigger | silverton, looks like 2.6 needs the hostap drivers search for hostap |
| 08:15.44 | iamcool | then i logon with password its its black screen |
| 08:15.49 | iamcool | and i type win |
| 08:15.51 | iamcool | and nothing happens |
| 08:16.03 | streuner_ | troll somewhere else :-) |
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| 08:16.17 | silverton | trigger, I still don't see my kernel |
| 08:16.19 | iamcool | and i try to edit my autoexec.bat file to add path and edit don't work |
| 08:16.31 | iamcool | i type edit autoexec.bat and it don't work |
| 08:16.32 | takatumi | silverton: use module-assistant |
| 08:16.33 | kevinz | how to list the fonts i can use? |
| 08:16.44 | silverton | takatumi, what is that?? |
| 08:16.48 | iamcool | my windows 3.11 worked fine before |
| 08:16.55 | trigger | silverton, what kernel |
| 08:16.56 | cyzie | mmm..why cant the picture in the mplayer maximize when i click on fullscreen? xine work properly. but no mplayer |
| 08:17.05 | silverton | 2.6.11 |
| 08:17.06 | iamcool | i think it erased my dos 6.22 |
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| 08:17.10 | silverton | -k7 |
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| 08:17.19 | silverton | 2.6.11-1-k7 |
| 08:17.37 | iamcool | and i can't find my c:> prompt :( |
| 08:17.40 | servus | I'm 2.6.8. You think you're better than me or something!? Huh? Huh? |
| 08:17.41 | takatumi | silverton: apt-cache show module-assistant |
| 08:17.43 | silverton | cyzie, xine, is not mplayer... |
| 08:17.44 | streuner_ | debian wouldn't touch your OS, only you told that, fix your bootloader |
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| 08:18.14 | cyzie | silverton, OBVIOUSLY. but i just wonder where is the problem |
| 08:18.14 | iamcool | no cause i think i said to erase partition and reforamt |
| 08:18.19 | iamcool | thought it meant duel boot |
| 08:18.37 | trigger | silverton, the hostap source is there u can compile them for ur kernel |
| 08:18.44 | iamcool | and it says linux runs on 286 |
| 08:18.46 | iamcool | 386 |
| 08:18.53 | iamcool | but my gnome won't start |
| 08:18.55 | directhex|work | !ops just get rid of the stupid iamcool troll, it's a wate of my xchat window |
| 08:18.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: just get rid of the stupid iamcool troll, it's a wate of my xchat window |
| 08:18.57 | pink1 | iamcool: if you erased the windows partitions - you can't expect them to still be there |
| 08:18.59 | iamcool | and openoffice don't work |
| 08:19.14 | iamcool | i have 386sx 16 |
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| 08:19.30 | pink1 | lol |
| 08:19.32 | directhex|work | !beer bob2 |
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| 08:19.40 | iamcool | i have 4 megs of ram |
| 08:19.43 | billyoc | iamcool: export PS1='C:$(echo ${PWD//\\//\\\} | tr "[:lower:]" "[:upper:]")> ' |
| 08:19.47 | jetscreamer | dual |
| 08:19.48 | iamcool | and 20mb hd |
| 08:19.56 | iamcool | but the gnnome don't work |
| 08:19.56 | bob2 | iamcool: do you really have nothing better to do with your time? |
| 08:20.05 | bob2 | iamcool: is your life so empty that trolling IRC is all you have left? |
| 08:20.11 | silverton | takatumi, so get module-assistant, and hostap-source, then run module-assistant? |
| 08:20.12 | iamcool | it says it works on 386 |
| 08:20.16 | iamcool | but it won't do shit |
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| 08:20.24 | directhex|work | bob2, sure he does. he's cool. it even says so in his nick |
| 08:20.24 | bbrazil | iamcool: it does, but 386s are shit |
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| 08:20.46 | takatumi | silverton: module-assistant will get it for you, just run it. |
| 08:21.04 | yoc | !mplayer |
| 08:21.04 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, or ask me about "marillat" |
| 08:21.06 | punkass | just curious if there is a way to use apt-get to remove a program and all its dependencies (if there not used by anything else) |
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| 08:21.18 | bob2 | punkass: apt-get itself can't, but debfoster can |
| 08:21.23 | bbrazil | punkass: depfoster/deborphan/aptitude |
| 08:21.32 | punkass | great thanks |
| 08:21.33 | bob2 | punkass: if you use aptitude to install packages, then it will remove unneeded ones automatically, too |
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| 08:23.18 | mutek | Hello |
| 08:23.26 | smhar | hi everybody |
| 08:23.30 | pink1 | punkass: man apt-get mentions remove and purge |
| 08:23.42 | bob2 | pink1: they don't remove dependencies, tho |
| 08:23.46 | silverton | takatumi, okay, did that, now what? |
| 08:24.11 | pink1 | :-/ |
| 08:24.12 | smhar | I just bought a used SX1 siemens mobile.. anybody know how to mount it in debian? |
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| 08:24.18 | Caeies[taff] | heya all |
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| 08:24.31 | mutek | I've this problem: #dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statusoverride file |
| 08:24.38 | mutek | anyone knows what happen? |
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| 08:25.12 | takatumi | silverton: is it an intersil prism chip? |
| 08:25.14 | cyzie | why cant the picture in the mplayer maximize when i click on fullscreen? anyone have similar problem? |
| 08:25.20 | silverton | yeah |
| 08:25.27 | solars | hi, I get the startx error Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0) I did not change anything x worked before, how can I reinstall or fix this? |
| 08:25.33 | silverton | Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset |
| 08:25.36 | shingouz | smhar: i am not sure if it even is mountable, i did some looking into the siemens PDA's a couple of years ago and got the feeling they are a bit too much of a challenge for me. sorry :( |
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| 08:25.46 | takatumi | silverton: run module-assistant |
| 08:25.52 | silverton | I did |
| 08:26.06 | silverton | I already did the hostap stuff |
| 08:26.08 | jetscreamer | solars: nvidia right? |
| 08:26.11 | silverton | and got it installed |
| 08:26.14 | solars | jetscreamer: yes |
| 08:26.20 | solars | jetscreamer: but it worked before |
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| 08:26.58 | takatumi | silverton: now run modconf and load the modules, there are 6 of them. |
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| 08:27.08 | jetscreamer | solars: you are not supposed to have glcore, dri, or framebuffer enabled. redo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. also, do enable glx |
| 08:27.14 | Growly | i have an interesting question (for everyone): If i were to tell debconf that I want to configure things through text files, only to later realise that I'm too tired / unskilled to do so all the time, how would I tell it to use the pretty boxes again? |
| 08:27.20 | terr | how long does a dist upgrade take? |
| 08:27.21 | silverton | "modconf: command not found" |
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| 08:27.33 | silverton | I'm apt-getting it |
| 08:27.38 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure debconf maybe growly |
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| 08:27.50 | solars | jetscreamer: sure? hm I thought I should enable that.... |
| 08:27.55 | jetscreamer | yeah modconf isn't installed by default anymore |
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| 08:28.06 | jetscreamer | solars yes i'm sure |
| 08:28.06 | smhar | shingouz, it has usb and buetooth interfaces |
| 08:28.16 | sceig | what is the most used x-window ? kde? gnome? |
| 08:28.27 | jetscreamer | both |
| 08:28.34 | silverton | takatumi, okay, I'm in modconf |
| 08:28.40 | jetscreamer | use tasksel |
| 08:28.58 | shingouz | smhar: in that case it is a bit newer then. try slapping the usb and mount it as a scsi hd |
| 08:29.06 | directhex|work | solars, how did you install nvidia? |
| 08:29.09 | terr | probably kde |
| 08:29.17 | solars | jetscreamer: okay thank you, I try that |
| 08:29.20 | sceig | which are the package i have to get via apt-get install in order to a functional kde? |
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| 08:29.26 | solars | directhex|work: I installed their module drivers |
| 08:29.31 | directhex|work | sceig, x-window-system kde |
| 08:29.41 | jetscreamer | hey i didn't do that directhex|work !!! :) btw you're stil at work? |
| 08:29.43 | streuner_ | sceig: sarge? |
| 08:29.47 | directhex|work | solars, from nvidia.com? |
| 08:29.54 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, it's 9:30AM |
| 08:29.55 | liable | cyzie: I vaguely remember it having to do with the video driver, try another and see |
| 08:30.02 | sceig | yes, sarge. Sorry, i forgot to mention it |
| 08:30.09 | jetscreamer | ah a pond guy |
| 08:30.24 | cyzie | liable, yes, i succedded |
| 08:30.28 | solars | directhex|work: yep |
| 08:30.30 | cyzie | now using gl vid driver |
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| 08:30.37 | cyzie | liable, ty |
| 08:30.43 | liable | cyzie: np |
| 08:30.48 | silverton | takatumi, ? |
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| 08:31.09 | takatumi | silverton: /kernel/drivers/net |
| 08:31.09 | directhex|work | yet _ANOTHER_ example of nvidia-installer fucking debian. can we log these? i'm SICK of "nvidia.run files just work" comments, when WE have to deal with the fallout |
| 08:31.18 | solars | jetscreamer: ah sorry, that was my mistake, its actually in the readme to remove them, I thought I should add them :) |
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| 08:31.33 | solars | directhex|work: it does not fuck debian |
| 08:31.35 | jetscreamer | directhex|work: how is failure to rtfm the installer's fault :) |
| 08:31.44 | solars | directhex|work: it was my failure |
| 08:31.50 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, just wait. it WILL go wrong. |
| 08:31.52 | terr | how long does a dist upgrade take? This has been running 45 mins now |
| 08:31.59 | jetscreamer | solars: diff subject a bit, old tale :) |
| 08:32.05 | solars | directhex|work: and btw, I think the linux support of nvidia is very good |
| 08:32.10 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: you shouldn't read what people tell you here |
| 08:32.13 | jetscreamer | terr: 1-200 megs worth sometimes |
| 08:32.16 | directhex|work | sigh -_- |
| 08:32.16 | solars | jetscreamer: yeah I see :) |
| 08:32.20 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: s/shouldn't/should/ |
| 08:32.25 | takatumi | terr: I have done it over 16 hours via dial-up |
| 08:32.38 | terr | jetscreamer the files are here - its installing |
| 08:32.42 | shingouz | smhar: there is also a neat ftp protocol that can be used to access mobile phones and such devices through bluetooth but at the very moment i cannot remember its name. later today maybe once i have gotten a few assorted things sorted out ;) |
| 08:32.43 | silverton | takatumi, okay, what am I looking for? |
| 08:32.55 | directhex|work | solars, there is nothing wrong with nvidia's 3d drivers. there is a lot wrong with nvidia's installer. unless you run slackware. |
| 08:33.03 | jetscreamer | terr: a long time on my kids p3-550, not so long on my 2G |
| 08:33.04 | solars | jetscreamer: directhex|work but well... I never got a brand new motherboard running under linux, that fast, thanks t onvidias chipset and graphics drivers |
| 08:33.21 | directhex|work | solars, there are good reasons that nvidia's drivers are packaged in debian |
| 08:33.21 | silverton | directhex|work, I had no issues getting the nvidia driver to work |
| 08:33.23 | solars | directhex|work: hm it worked always for me... |
| 08:33.24 | mc-rocks | --> German user here? |
| 08:33.30 | streuner_ | !de |
| 08:33.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 08:33.32 | terr | jest your kid's pII can probably bve upgrded to a 1.3gHz |
| 08:33.37 | solars | directhex|work: are they? oh .. |
| 08:33.51 | jetscreamer | terr: it's a slot1 |
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| 08:33.59 | jetscreamer | 100fsb |
| 08:34.01 | terr | jetscreamer still can be done. |
| 08:34.08 | streuner_ | mc-rocks: or just talk english |
| 08:34.20 | jetscreamer | yeah i did the research, cheaper to go sis/amd |
| 08:34.26 | takatumi | silverton: /net/wireless rather. |
| 08:34.34 | terr | jetscreamer www.upgradeware.com - cost about $100 or less. |
| 08:34.35 | kevinz | why can't I use some font by using "xterm -fn ***" |
| 08:34.42 | mc-rocks | ok hab debian 3.0 sarge. und folgendes problem: in gtk1 programmen stellt gnome die schrift so klein dar, dass ich mein auge an den monitor pressen muss, wie kann ich des abändern (unter Schrifteinstellungen kann ich des net) thx |
| 08:34.50 | jetscreamer | terr: yeah, that's my point :) |
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| 08:34.56 | terr | jetscreamer I u/gd mine. WOnderful improvemtn |
| 08:35.07 | silverton | takatumi, okay, their are seven for hostap, which six do I pick |
| 08:35.08 | silverton | ? |
| 08:35.09 | solars | directhex|work: hm but only for 2.4 as I can see.. |
| 08:35.15 | streuner_ | mc-rocks: didn't i tell you to talk english? |
| 08:35.24 | mc-rocks | streuner_ o.k. |
| 08:35.26 | takatumi | silverton: ok, 7. all of 'em. |
| 08:35.46 | jetscreamer | terr: if i upgrade her box, what excuse do i have to buy a new box? (so i can give her my old box ) :) |
| 08:35.54 | directhex|work | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 08:35.55 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. |
| 08:35.57 | terr | shit - this thing just broke. |
| 08:36.23 | terr | 972 packages installed of 15585. What do I do now? |
| 08:36.24 | streuner_ | mc-rocks: if you can't change the fonts in app itself, just edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, in that case use 100dpi instead of 75dpi in the first place |
| 08:36.27 | directhex|work | solars, odd, the debian packages work fine at home on my 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 machines |
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| 08:36.54 | mc-rocks | streuner_, I use debian 3.0 sarge and have one great problem: within gtk1 programms gnome shows the font tiny. i could not see anything. how could i change this? thx |
| 08:37.00 | solars | directhex|work: thats just what I read.. I need drivers for my chipset too |
| 08:37.02 | silverton | takatumi, okay, all done |
| 08:37.07 | streuner_ | mc-rocks: example? |
| 08:37.12 | silverton | do I rmmod the orinoco/hermes modules now? |
| 08:37.13 | directhex|work | mc-rocks, 3.0 is woody. 3.2 is sarge. make your mind up |
| 08:37.32 | jetscreamer | i thought 3.1 was sarge, did it change? |
| 08:37.41 | streuner_ | mc-rocks: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? only the version |
| 08:37.42 | directhex|work | solars, no, you don't. nvnet is unneccessary when forcedeth (in kernel) does the job, and nvsound is HIGHLY unstable |
| 08:37.45 | silverton | yeah, 3.1 is sarge |
| 08:37.49 | directhex|work | *3.1 |
| 08:37.51 | directhex|work | typo :) |
| 08:38.02 | silverton | wait...who has an nforce chipset in here? |
| 08:38.07 | directhex|work | not convinced it should be 3.1 rather than 4.0, but nevermind |
| 08:38.15 | jetscreamer | don't worry, you stil know more than me about linux |
| 08:38.29 | directhex|work | silverton, pleanty of people. i'm typing this from an nforce3-250GB chipset machine |
| 08:38.38 | silverton | the lan should be taken care of by: via_rhine |
| 08:38.39 | solars | directhex|work: nvsound works pretty fine for me |
| 08:38.44 | terr | jetscreamer when apt crashes in the middle of an upgrde - what do you do? |
| 08:38.45 | shingouz | gtk is gnome isnt it? apt-get install gnome-control-center mc-rocks |
| 08:38.45 | jetscreamer | i'm more anal than directhex|work is !!! |
| 08:38.47 | silverton | and then sound should work well with intel-8x0 |
| 08:38.55 | silverton | with an updated kernel of course |
| 08:39.03 | silverton | takatumi, is there anything else I have to do? |
| 08:39.06 | directhex|work | solars, this is nforce2 with an mcp-t southbridge (dolby encoder)? |
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| 08:39.21 | solars | directhex|work: nforce 4 here.. |
| 08:39.24 | mc-rips | sorry... power down |
| 08:39.37 | mc-rips | directhex|work, not really 3.0 is sarge |
| 08:39.41 | jetscreamer | terr: i use the /msg dpkg fix-unmet solution |
| 08:39.44 | directhex|work | solars, then you gain nothing from the closed-source nvsound, you have a basic realtek sound (i.e. intel8x0) |
| 08:39.50 | directhex|work | mc-rips, no, it isn't |
| 08:39.55 | shingouz | gtk is gnome isnt it? apt-get install gnome-control-center mc-rips |
| 08:39.59 | jetscreamer | 3.0 is woody |
| 08:40.00 | takatumi | silverton: you need to unload the orinoco modules, fix eth? to wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces use iwconfig to tweak etc. |
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| 08:40.03 | nachtwind | hi |
| 08:40.04 | streuner_ | shingouz: no |
| 08:40.08 | jetscreamer | gnome uses gtk |
| 08:40.11 | jetscreamer | kde uses pt |
| 08:40.14 | jetscreamer | errr qt |
| 08:40.15 | solars | directhex|work: hm I dunno ... so what do you suggest me to do ? :) |
| 08:40.20 | streuner_ | shingouz: GTK = Gimp Tool Kit |
| 08:40.33 | terr | I restarted it. It grabbed two packages it didn't have before apparently |
| 08:40.42 | shingouz | streuner_: sorry, my bad <makes a note of the gimp...> |
| 08:40.44 | streuner_ | shingouz: it provides the libs to make apps |
| 08:40.44 | nachtwind | i've go a question: I am running a SAMBA PDC with Windows2000 Workstations. is there a way or a tool beside using VNC to shut those workstations down remotely? |
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| 08:41.00 | directhex|work | solars, at this point? i don't know, or really care. i've attempted to present the information to you, it's up to you how you use it |
| 08:41.02 | streuner_ | shingouz: GNOME = desktop environment |
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| 08:41.49 | mc-rips | directhex|work, o.k. your right, i apologize |
| 08:42.03 | solars | directhex|work: thats why I want your opinion... remove the whole installer (that will break x as I read) and which drivers to use otherwise? |
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| 08:42.33 | directhex|work | solars, it will break x if x has been updated since nvidia was installed |
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| 08:43.15 | jetscreamer | jsut break it, it's good practice |
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| 08:43.20 | solars | directhex|work: ah okay |
| 08:43.22 | jetscreamer | rip the mother out! |
| 08:43.49 | solars | directhex|work: and which drivers do I have to use otherwise? |
| 08:44.05 | jetscreamer | !find nvidia-glx |
| 08:44.07 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'nvidia-glx' (2): nvidia-glx ;; nvidia-glx-dev. |
| 08:44.21 | jetscreamer | !info nvidia-glx |
| 08:44.23 | solars | and for the motherboard chipset ? |
| 08:44.24 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
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| 08:44.47 | directhex|work | solars, the sound and ethernet are supported fine in recent kernels, without closed-source stuff |
| 08:45.14 | solars | directhex|work: I see.. but I did not find anything in the kernel.. can you please name those options ? |
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| 08:45.24 | takatumi | silverton: if you want to revert to orinoco, use modconf to remove the hostap ones, or # them out in /etc/modules |
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| 08:46.02 | directhex|work | solars, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 depending on whether you prefer OSS or ALSA. and forcedeth for ethernet |
| 08:46.03 | silverton | takatumi, it appears to be working :) |
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| 08:46.16 | solars | directhex|work: okay, thank you very much! |
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| 08:46.32 | takatumi | silverton: if you want to revert to orinoco, use modconf to remove the hostap ones, or # them out in /etc/modules (you missed this.) |
| 08:46.50 | directhex|work | solars, certainly, on this nforce3 board, the only kernel tainting i have is from vmmon (VMWare networking module) |
| 08:47.01 | silverton | takatumi, okay, thank you very much :) |
| 08:47.08 | silverton | If you solved my system lockups, you will be my savior |
| 08:47.10 | takatumi | silverton: np. |
| 08:47.49 | takatumi | wife wants to go to church. ;-| |
| 08:47.53 | hdkiller | bridge.ko needs unknown symbol br_handle_frame_hook, broken 2.6.x or i miss something? |
| 08:47.54 | solars | directhex|work: heh okay .. I'll try the drivers and tell you if it works |
| 08:47.58 | jetscreamer | what do i DO with this 4 processor vps rhe3 |
| 08:48.03 | silverton | takatumi, tell her your sick! quick! |
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| 08:48.34 | silverton | anywhoooo, I woke from a sleep to get help, so, I'm going back to ed |
| 08:48.34 | Shadur | Woot. Evo plugin to prefer plaintext over html. |
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| 08:48.39 | silverton | er, bed even |
| 08:48.43 | takatumi | silverton: the eyes of truth are watching. |
| 08:48.52 | jetscreamer | ed in bed |
| 08:49.05 | silverton | Yeah, I know, the government is always watching ;) |
| 08:49.12 | silverton | thank you again takatumi, g'night everyone |
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| 08:50.49 | hdkiller | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.51 | hdkiller | :| |
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| 08:54.06 | abel_ | does anyone know the name of a java channel ? |
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| 08:54.37 | streuner_ | abel_: why not ask here? |
| 08:54.44 | sanxiyn | abel_: #java? |
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| 08:54.52 | abel_ | java not work ... |
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| 08:55.09 | abel_ | and when google jave + irc u fall on java irc server ;( |
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| 08:55.23 | sanxiyn | abel_: Try ##java |
| 08:55.43 | streuner_ | abel_: java + IRC, what the hell you want install? |
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| 08:57.17 | abel_ | sanxiyn noway |
| 08:57.46 | sanxiyn | Strange. Freenode's #java channel worksforme. |
| 08:57.47 | streuner_ | abel_: do you use blackdown packages or the one of java.sun.com? |
| 08:58.13 | sanxiyn | abel_: Eh, weren't you asking for IRC channel discussing Java-related topic? |
| 08:58.38 | abel_ | streuner : i'm just looking for a IRC channel discussing Java-related topic ;) |
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| 08:58.46 | streuner_ | oh |
| 08:58.51 | abel_ | sanxiyn : yes i am |
| 08:59.15 | solars | directhex|work: cool, sound and networking works with that drivers but what do I have to change for xfree after installing nvidia-glx drivers? |
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| 08:59.33 | CroatianNinja | what is the best way to decompress a tar.gz |
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| 08:59.45 | directhex|work | !tell solars about nvidia one-liner |
| 08:59.49 | streuner_ | !tar |
| 08:59.52 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 09:01.22 | sanxiyn | Didn't know about unp. |
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| 09:03.47 | jeanmi_ | I have a CD with some content (the CD is full, so around 700MB) but when I do copy it it takes several gigs.... how can I make a copy of the content on my HD without taking that much room ? such as a bit by bit copy |
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| 09:04.34 | kyle__ | #list |
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| 09:05.19 | jetscreamer | it's /join #knoppix |
| 09:05.52 | jetscreamer | cept you should /join #kanotix |
| 09:06.12 | jetscreamer | jeanmi_: dd |
| 09:06.15 | directhex|work | he should? kanotix is just DIRTY |
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| 09:06.33 | Guerin | some people like it dirty |
| 09:06.35 | jetscreamer | kanotix > knoppix |
| 09:06.50 | jeanmi_ | jetscreamer dd if=/dev/cdrom of=somefile |
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| 09:07.04 | jeanmi_ | jetscreamer but what will 'somefile' contain ? |
| 09:07.28 | jeanmi_ | jetscreamer not the architecture of the (directories etc) |
| 09:07.31 | jetscreamer | jeanmi_: i just know you use dd for a bit-by-bit copy :/ |
| 09:07.32 | terr | can someone paste a working sources filefor apt/dpkg into #paste. I've got to reconfigure mine - this is for sarge. For some reason some of the servers I configured b4 are not running. |
| 09:07.38 | jeanmi_ | jetscreamer does tyhat mean I then need to mount the file ? |
| 09:07.59 | jeanmi_ | jetscreamer what is the difference with cat /dev/cdrom >somefile ? |
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| 09:08.16 | jetscreamer | terr: http://hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list.txt |
| 09:08.44 | jetscreamer | jeanmi_: you have exposed me for the charlatan that i am, i know nothing |
| 09:08.49 | terr | deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian sarge non-free main ,- doesn't work |
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| 09:09.16 | Guerin | blackdown java packages are shit |
| 09:09.24 | Guerin | !tell terr about java-package |
| 09:09.53 | Guerin | terr: java-package is currently only in sid, but it's safe to run it on sarge since it's only a bunch of scripts |
| 09:09.56 | sanxiyn | I heard that Blackdown maintainers themselves recommend using Debian's java-package instead of their own built deb. |
| 09:10.05 | Guerin | that makes sense to me |
| 09:10.09 | directhex|work | terr, run apt-setup |
| 09:10.20 | Guerin | oh wow, it is in sarge |
| 09:10.23 | Guerin | apparenlty |
| 09:10.23 | jetscreamer | use dselect! |
| 09:10.44 | sanxiyn | Indeed. java-package landed on Sarge... |
| 09:11.20 | directhex|work | it did? |
| 09:11.22 | Guerin | huzzah for friday! |
| 09:11.22 | directhex|work | !praise sarge |
| 09:11.32 | directhex|work | yes, dpkg, yes it is |
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| 09:16.43 | terr | jetscreamer that is sid - right - I need sarge. |
| 09:17.24 | jetscreamer | what... dselect? |
| 09:17.24 | antony | is there any way to have a kind of "sub root" superuser? i want a user that can add and delete users and passwords, but not be able to rm -rf / |
| 09:17.29 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 09:17.29 | dpkg | i heard dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 09:17.32 | PerfDave | antony: sudo |
| 09:18.04 | PerfDave | antony: Or something like SELinux |
| 09:18.13 | terr | jetscreamer I updated with unstable - damit - now I have to take those out. how? |
| 09:18.43 | antony | PerfDave: thanks. no chance of changing distro. with sudo passwd, is there a way to stop this user changing the _real_ root password? |
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| 09:18.50 | bob2 | haha |
| 09:18.57 | bob2 | futurama features the SAFETY DANCE |
| 09:19.36 | Guerin | antony: i think you can construct a sudo line which excludes certain patterns |
| 09:19.48 | jetscreamer | terr: ah that. change sid to sarge, apt-get update.. hope you didn't upgrade |
| 09:19.53 | PerfDave | antony: SELinux isn't a different distro, it's a set of kernel patches and utilities AFAIK. |
| 09:20.05 | antony | PerfDave: thanks. sounded like one. |
| 09:20.10 | directhex|work | bob2, that dance wasn't as safe as they said |
| 09:20.17 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 09:20.17 | antony | Guerin: interesting. |
| 09:20.20 | antony | thanks all |
| 09:20.32 | PerfDave | antony: You could write a wrapper script which would check that the user name supplied is not "root", and give sudo access to that. |
| 09:21.21 | jetscreamer | terr: that's 'change the word sid to the word sarge' |
| 09:21.37 | terr | jet - no - i didn't upgrade. |
| 09:21.51 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update |
| 09:21.51 | Guerin | antony: hrm, I might be wrong. I can't see it in TFM. |
| 09:22.23 | jetscreamer | change it to sarge or testing, either/or |
| 09:22.43 | jetscreamer | depending on which you want to stick with after sarge goes stable |
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| 09:23.47 | rixth | I have a bad apt related problem, I can't get sendmail to configure, and everytime I do an apt related job, it hangs and blah. Take a look, www.spectrumenterprises.org/apt I'd like to get sendmail installed. |
| 09:23.56 | sceig | someone know an url about xfree+kde installation and configuration ? |
| 09:24.14 | bob2 | sceig: install x-window-system-core and kde |
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| 09:24.35 | bob2 | rixth: purge and reinstall it, I guess |
| 09:24.37 | terr | jetscreamer its goign to leave the sid pacakges arouund right? How can I purge them. |
| 09:24.48 | rixth | bob2, purge? |
| 09:25.00 | sanxiyn | Or kde-core instead of kde. |
| 09:25.06 | bob2 | dpkg -P --force-depends sendmail |
| 09:25.09 | terr | einsteinmg: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 09:25.11 | bob2 | apt-get install sendmail |
| 09:25.12 | jetscreamer | terr: if you didn't upgrade, you're fine, it's just a package list... or did you d/l them.... apt-cache clean |
| 09:25.13 | terr | einsteinmg: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 09:25.17 | jetscreamer | errr apt-get clean |
| 09:25.28 | sceig | tks |
| 09:25.53 | sanxiyn | "kde" metapackage is... big. |
| 09:25.56 | terr | invalid option |
| 09:26.08 | rixth | I'm lost between bob2 and jetscreamer's suggestions (even though I appreciate them!) what do I want to run first off? |
| 09:26.16 | PerfDave | !install kde |
| 09:26.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 09:26.19 | sorahn | is there a way when using rdesktop to make it force the sound to stay at the remote host instead of trying to play sound on the client? |
| 09:26.22 | jetscreamer | i suggested something to you rixth ? |
| 09:26.37 | terr | jetscreamer you are a big help. It is greatly appreciated. |
| 09:26.44 | jetscreamer | oh i see... no i was talking to terr rixth |
| 09:26.45 | rixth | jetscreamer, oh yes, it was for terrr :) |
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| 09:26.51 | einsteinmg | terr: from my debian repos? yea right sorry..., we had a blackout last night |
| 09:26.52 | sceig | yes ! 611Mb for kde :( |
| 09:26.53 | terr | jetscreamer see the error msg above. |
| 09:27.18 | rixth | Hey, after ten minutes it finally configured. |
| 09:27.30 | terr | einsteinmg that is an error the message I posted started with E: and it translated to your nic. |
| 09:27.31 | rixth | 611mb ?1 Holy moly. |
| 09:27.34 | jetscreamer | terr what is 'invalid option' |
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| 09:28.06 | terr | jetscreamer apt-cache clean generated invalid option. apt-get clean has been run now. |
| 09:28.11 | jetscreamer | and on the 'failed to d/l' either you souces.list isn't correct or jsut redo apt-get update |
| 09:28.18 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 09:28.30 | jetscreamer | yeah i meant apt-get clean |
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| 09:37.03 | smhar | when I did apt-get update apt-get upgrade I got this: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process, and then some other eoor messages.. ? |
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| 09:37.57 | tuxyRochefort | is it possible to use privoxy+tor with xchat ? |
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| 09:38.21 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 09:38.24 | bob2 | privoxy is a http proxy |
| 09:39.10 | gypsymauro | someone knows if there is an howto on how setup up a debian (sarge with samba 3) as PDC with LDAP? |
| 09:39.26 | terr | jetscreamer if I had run upgrade - how could I have cleaned this up? |
| 09:39.36 | terr | how do you revert to an older version? |
| 09:39.58 | jetscreamer | terr it's called reinstall |
| 09:40.05 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 09:40.05 | dpkg | from memory, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 09:40.23 | Vince34 | helo emor3j_oTaF |
| 09:40.24 | ctd | gypsymauro: google might |
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| 09:40.34 | themolester | whats the ascii charactor for a plain space, im looking at a chart, but a few look like spaces |
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| 09:41.08 | terr | jetscreamer so this is not a two way street then... |
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| 09:41.30 | gypsymauro | ctd I tried but there is too much noise :/ |
| 09:41.57 | jetscreamer | no. reinstalling is easy though, at least. esp if you save /etc and /home |
| 09:42.06 | terr | jetscreamer I suspect I'll be ok with sarge. It should be pretty stable by now. |
| 09:42.29 | terr | jetscreamer I have so much in this system it isn't funny. |
| 09:42.35 | bob2 | gypsymauro: there are lots of howtos about that |
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| 09:43.34 | jetscreamer | sarge is good. i should have mentioned that you should change sid to whatever i guess. |
| 09:43.41 | ibshna | hi |
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| 09:43.56 | ibshna | how do i change the refresh rate ? |
| 09:44.18 | ibshna | i have woody and gnome |
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| 09:44.43 | terr | jetscreamer no worries - I noticed the unstable and I've checked the /var/lib/apt/lists and there are only references to sarge |
| 09:45.16 | sml | I had a woody last night. |
| 09:45.21 | PEACEYALL | how can i use an ipod with lsongs? |
| 09:45.31 | sml | PEACEYALL: cant you get iTunes for linux ? |
| 09:45.42 | bob2 | gypsymauro: http://www.bayour.com/LDAPv3-HOWTO.html |
| 09:46.07 | PEACEYALL | .sml i dont know if there is an iTunes for linux :/ |
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| 09:46.18 | PEACEYALL | i just heard taht i can use my ipod on lsongs |
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| 09:47.11 | jtza8 | Is anyone here using an Ubuntu base? |
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| 09:47.26 | bob2 | jtza8: #ubuntu |
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| 09:47.56 | PerfDave | PEACEYALL: Get a proper music player :) |
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| 09:48.04 | jetscreamer | ibshna: google your monitors x&h refreshrates (this is different from 1024@60 for instance) then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose advanced when asked. |
| 09:48.17 | sceig | when kde and x-window system-core has been installed, i have to type startx in order to launch kde? |
| 09:48.24 | bob2 | sceig: yeah |
| 09:48.30 | bob2 | sceig: or maybe startx startkde |
| 09:48.34 | ibshna | jetscreamer: thanks, i know the proper refresh rates, i just didnt see a way to set the 85 hz |
| 09:48.35 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 09:49.04 | jtza8 | bob2: I know, but it makes a good base. It's the nicest "desktop" Linux on which I can play with SBCL and Emacs so easily (thanks to apt-get). |
| 09:49.27 | fooz | jtza8, sbcl is in debian, isn't it? |
| 09:49.38 | bob2 | jtza8: sure, but it has it's own channel |
| 09:49.39 | hackeron | is there anything like prustat for dtrace on linux? (http://users.tpg.com.au/adsln4yb/DTrace/prustat_example.txt) |
| 09:49.43 | jtza8 | Yes. (sources.lisp) |
| 09:50.15 | fooz | heh, the deb in unstable is more recent than my CVS build |
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| 09:50.54 | sceig | unable to start x session. no /root/.xsession file |
| 09:50.56 | sceig | :( |
| 09:51.25 | Guerin | never run x as root |
| 09:51.28 | Guerin | just don't do it |
| 09:51.41 | sceig | that's right... |
| 09:51.49 | jethro | moin |
| 09:52.00 | Guerin | jethro: feeling better? |
| 09:52.08 | jethro | yes! |
| 09:52.11 | jethro | thanks for asking :) |
| 09:52.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:52.22 | sceig | but is it that that make the launching of startx fail? |
| 09:52.36 | ibshna | jetscreamer: there were lots of options, but no monitor refresh rate, asides of horizontal and vertical rates of course |
| 09:52.36 | Guerin | i recovered surprisingly quicly from my drinking mission last night |
| 09:52.42 | jethro | heh |
| 09:52.53 | Guerin | sceig: the only thing I can think that would cause that error is trying to start x as root |
| 09:52.56 | bob2 | the trick is to drink a litre of water and vitamins |
| 09:53.00 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:53.13 | kang1 | something strange has happened to my system. the fonts come on rather small after boot, but is increased after i open and close font setting in Genome ControlCenter. why? |
| 09:53.14 | jetscreamer | i like 'take aspirin before you pass out' |
| 09:53.14 | jethro | the trick is to drink good stuff |
| 09:53.15 | Guerin | i wish I had |
| 09:53.19 | jethro | heh |
| 09:53.25 | jethro | hello tabbuddy |
| 09:53.33 | bob2 | kang1: you're not using gnome? |
| 09:53.37 | Guerin | i don't get hangovers unless I was clinically dead the night before |
| 09:53.45 | Guerin | but I do still get tired and irritable |
| 09:53.48 | jetscreamer | hail tabbud! |
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| 09:53.56 | kang1 | bob2:no kde. |
| 09:54.01 | jethro | champagne ruins my stomach, that's for sure |
| 09:54.04 | fooz | Guerin, alcohol causes an unrestful sleep |
| 09:54.10 | Guerin | fooz: sure does. |
| 09:54.27 | bob2 | then take sleeping pills so you get a good night's sleep |
| 09:54.32 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:54.38 | Guerin | that's madness |
| 09:54.39 | fooz | bob2, so do those |
| 09:54.42 | kang1 | i mean no, i use kde. |
| 09:54.52 | fooz | jtza8, hehe i was wondering |
| 09:54.58 | Guerin | unless you want to end up like certain rockstars |
| 09:55.05 | sceig | same error with a normal user :( |
| 09:55.21 | Guerin | fly > spider > bird >cat > dog >horse |
| 09:55.28 | bob2 | sceig: what does 'whoami' print out? |
| 09:56.07 | sceig | normal |
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| 09:56.19 | sceig | it s the name of my user |
| 09:56.33 | jetscreamer | ibshna: medium as opposed to advanced gives you a choice of those, but i never got the format of '1024x768@85khz' down... i know it can, or have seen, this specified in the config, but never finished finding out (qui8t caring) |
| 09:56.58 | jetscreamer | champagne gave me the worst hangover i have ever had |
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| 09:57.01 | bob2 | sceig: no, what does it print? |
| 09:57.17 | sceig | normal |
| 09:57.21 | Guerin | champagne just gives my bank manager a headache |
| 09:57.25 | terr | damn = there is a bug in the upgrade from woody to sarge. |
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| 09:57.43 | crashbg | ok, in /etc/sudoers i put "crash ALL=ALL" but when i type sudo <cmd> it doesn't aks for root's password? |
| 09:57.45 | bob2 | terr: which is? |
| 09:57.56 | bob2 | crashbg: sudo never asks for root's password |
| 09:57.58 | bob2 | that's the point of it |
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| 09:58.02 | Guerin | crashbg: no, it should ask for crash's password. |
| 09:58.17 | Guerin | crashbg: since it's just got to verify that crash is at the keyboard. |
| 09:58.34 | crashbg | i want to ask me the root password? how to modify the sudoers |
| 09:58.41 | bob2 | you don't |
| 09:58.45 | Guerin | crashbg: you're an idiot. |
| 09:58.45 | bob2 | there's no point to that |
| 09:58.46 | bob2 | just use su |
| 09:58.48 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
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| 09:59.02 | Guerin | crashbg: just purge sudo and if you want to do root stuff, use su. |
| 09:59.03 | crashbg | bob2, the point is to don't su |
| 09:59.11 | bob2 | crashbg: why? |
| 09:59.21 | jethro | crashbg: what's the point in using sudo to mimic the behavior of su ? |
| 09:59.24 | jetscreamer | su doers .. hmmm obviously no relation |
| 09:59.25 | crashbg | it's faster to type sudo <cmd> then password |
| 09:59.25 | liam | Hello all :-) |
| 09:59.40 | jethro | crashbg: heard of su -c ? |
| 09:59.43 | liam | Anyone know that the dh_params file is in openssl? |
| 09:59.44 | bob2 | crashbg: su -c 'blah' |
| 09:59.46 | liam | *what |
| 09:59.47 | Guerin | crashbg: the point of sudo is that root gives permission to a user to do certain things. All that needs to be verified is that THAT USER is actually doing the action. |
| 10:00.05 | crashbg | Guerin, yea i permit myself to shutdwn the pc :) |
| 10:00.09 | jetscreamer | su do ... do su ... hmmm |
| 10:00.11 | crashbg | in sudoers |
| 10:00.15 | crashbg | ok ill try su -c |
| 10:00.20 | jetscreamer | su do ers |
| 10:00.32 | Guerin | crashbg: so, since root has already given permission, why do you need to get the root pass again? |
| 10:00.53 | crashbg | Guerin, yea i've got the point, after su -c :) |
| 10:01.07 | crashbg | 10x |
| 10:01.11 | jetscreamer | 11x |
| 10:01.15 | Guerin | ten times? |
| 10:01.17 | jetscreamer | 50x |
| 10:01.20 | Guerin | we only explained it about 5 times |
| 10:01.25 | jetscreamer | tennex |
| 10:01.26 | fooz | liam, diffie-hellman parameters |
| 10:01.29 | jetscreamer | ah the shell |
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| 10:01.30 | crashbg | 1000x |
| 10:01.31 | jetscreamer | 10x |
| 10:01.37 | crashbg | hihihi |
| 10:01.56 | crashbg | ok, THANKS amigos :) |
| 10:02.15 | liam | fooz thanks, if i'm setting up a CA, how do I create them? |
| 10:02.36 | fooz | liam, i have no idea. my OS doesn't have that file |
| 10:02.46 | tim_h_ | since a recent update of fontconfig I have colored subpixel. How do I get grey suppixels? |
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| 10:02.47 | jetscreamer | gah 2 more hours to kill before i can go to work |
| 10:02.47 | liam | fooz, hmm, ok. Do you know what their for? |
| 10:03.00 | fooz | liam, they're for diffie-hellman key exchange i guess |
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| 10:03.08 | fooz | liam http://postdiluvian.org/~seven/diffie.html |
| 10:03.12 | fooz | liam, don't worry about it |
| 10:03.23 | liam | fooz Ok, thanks dude! :-) |
| 10:03.25 | jethro | 4 more hours to kill before I can leave the office |
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| 10:03.36 | Maxou | hi |
| 10:03.43 | Maxou | i have a little pb with apt-get |
| 10:03.46 | crashbg | how to save a file in vim? i save it as :save! /file is there anotehr way? |
| 10:03.51 | Maxou | argos:~# apt-get install vim |
| 10:03.51 | Maxou | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 10:03.51 | Maxou | Segmentation faulty Tree... 50% |
| 10:03.51 | jetscreamer | :w |
| 10:03.54 | bob2 | crashbg: :w |
| 10:04.06 | bob2 | Maxou: run 'debsums' and memtest86 |
| 10:04.06 | crashbg | thanks again! |
| 10:04.27 | jtza8 | crashbg: use vimtutor |
| 10:04.37 | crashbg | i will |
| 10:04.45 | jetscreamer | the vimulator... nee mighty heroes |
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| 10:04.55 | fooz | ahh evil.. AROS on a PDA |
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| 10:05.28 | terr | can someone test this? /var/cache/apt/archives/nano_1.2.4-3_i386.deb seems to be a broken package |
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| 10:05.36 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 10:06.04 | jetscreamer | terr wtf is the problem :) |
| 10:06.07 | terr | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nano_1.2.4-3_i386.de |
| 10:06.19 | jetscreamer | yeah but what/why |
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| 10:06.29 | streuner | terr: we need the first error |
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| 10:06.47 | jethro | SIGFOOD |
| 10:06.52 | jetscreamer | scroll up (muhahahaha) |
| 10:06.58 | terr | Preparing to replace nano 1.0.6-2 (using .../archives/nano_1.2.4-3_i386.deb) ...update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/man/man1/editor.1.gz.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/editor.1.gz: No such file or directory |
| 10:07.24 | jetscreamer | shell out and make one |
| 10:07.33 | streuner | !info nano sarge |
| 10:07.38 | dpkg | nano: (free Pico clone with some new features), section editors, is important. Version: 1.2.4-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 395 kB, Installed size: 1012 kB |
| 10:07.47 | streuner | !info nano woody |
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| 10:09.31 | jetscreamer | alt+f3 and log in and cd /etc/alternatives && ln -sn /usr/share/man/man1/mcedit.1.gz editor.1.gz |
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| 10:10.18 | jetscreamer | or just ignore it |
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| 10:10.46 | jetscreamer | or ignore it the update-alternatives --all later, or apt-get install mc |
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| 10:11.00 | dpkg | nano: (free Pico clone with some new features), section editors, is important. Version: 1.0.6-3 (woody), Packaged size: 179 kB, Installed size: 728 kB |
| 10:11.05 | jetscreamer | probably the last one is best, ignore for now, apt-get install mc later |
| 10:11.05 | streuner | terr: do you use nano? |
| 10:11.12 | jetscreamer | nano is your god |
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| 10:11.31 | jetscreamer | ok not god |
| 10:11.36 | terr | I don't even know what it is. |
| 10:11.40 | jetscreamer | editor |
| 10:11.46 | streuner | terr: remove it then |
| 10:11.47 | terr | I use emacs |
| 10:11.54 | jetscreamer | simple, easy to use, not many features |
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| 10:11.59 | terr | This is weird: |
| 10:12.13 | terr | ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/man/man1/editor.1.gz.dpkg-tmp' to `/etc/alternatives/editor.1.gz': No such file or directory |
| 10:12.28 | jetscreamer | you don't have one |
| 10:12.48 | streuner | or the package has changed... |
| 10:12.50 | terr | dir /etc/alternatives/editor.1.gz |
| 10:13.02 | terr | shows: /etc/alternatives/editor.1.gz |
| 10:13.03 | jetscreamer | i have one |
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| 10:13.16 | streuner | jetscreamer: on woody? |
| 10:13.20 | jetscreamer | but where does editor.1.gz point |
| 10:13.25 | terr | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Dec 7 2002 editor.1.gz -> /usr/share/man/man1/vim.1.gz |
| 10:13.31 | jetscreamer | i just said i have one to make him jealous |
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| 10:13.52 | streuner | terr: just remove nano |
| 10:13.58 | agabus_ | could someone please PM me a copy of their sources.list for debian testing please |
| 10:13.59 | jetscreamer | dunno. do like streuner said, apt-get remove --purge nano |
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| 10:14.04 | jetscreamer | hah |
| 10:14.17 | jetscreamer | agabus: that's funny, atm ... just ask terr |
| 10:14.24 | streuner | terr: you can alway install nano later... |
| 10:14.36 | agabus_ | jetscreamer - huh? |
| 10:14.37 | streuner | s/alway/always/ |
| 10:14.44 | pinks | How can I view my e-mails with all the envelope and mail headers... (debian sarge on a laptop) |
| 10:14.53 | terr | streuner its in the upgrade lists and I don't knwo what to edit to remove it. |
| 10:15.08 | streuner | terr: jetscreamer just told you |
| 10:15.17 | PerfDave | pinks: What mail client are you using? |
| 10:15.27 | agabus_ | man could someone please give me their sources.list |
| 10:15.30 | pinks | thunderbird |
| 10:15.30 | jetscreamer | terr: just finish whatever it's doing atm, exit... then apt-get remove --purge, then redo your upgrade |
| 10:15.35 | jm_ | agabus: no, run apt-setup |
| 10:15.49 | agabus_ | yeh but that doesn't come with the universe does it? |
| 10:15.57 | PerfDave | pinks: View -> Message Source |
| 10:16.07 | PerfDave | agabus_: You're running Ubuntu, aren't you? |
| 10:16.10 | jetscreamer | agabus: http://hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list.txt but change the word sid to whatever... or just do what jm_ siad, or just use dselect |
| 10:16.13 | jm_ | universe doesn't have anything to do with Debian, it's Ubuntu thing, go to #ubuntu |
| 10:16.14 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 10:16.16 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 10:16.19 | jetscreamer | ubuntu |
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| 10:16.29 | agabus_ | PerfDave - i'm running sarge |
| 10:16.49 | PerfDave | agabus_: Then why are you talking about universe? |
| 10:16.53 | pinks | PerfDave: does that give me the envelope as well? |
| 10:17.21 | agabus_ | i don't know i guess i must be confused. but i need access to things like w32codec and glx drivers. what source do ineed for that |
| 10:17.32 | jm_ | agabus: / /msg dpkg marillat |
| 10:17.33 | jetscreamer | !tell agabus about marillat |
| 10:17.35 | PerfDave | agabus_: Why don't you show us *your* sources.list? /msg dpkg paste |
| 10:17.35 | jetscreamer | oops |
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| 10:17.44 | directhex|work | !tell agabus about non-free sources |
| 10:17.48 | directhex|work | !tell agabus about marillat |
| 10:17.58 | directhex|work | oh. ffs @ underscore |
| 10:18.18 | agabus_ | pardon the flood#deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 10:18.19 | agabus_ | deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 10:18.19 | agabus_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 10:18.42 | PerfDave | agabus_: Is that first line commented out? |
| 10:18.44 | terr | Removing nano ... |
| 10:18.44 | terr | update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/man/man1/editor.1.gz.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/editor.1.gz: No such file or directory |
| 10:18.44 | terr | dpkg: error processing nano (--purge): |
| 10:18.44 | terr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:19.15 | agabus_ | so could someone PM me the source for un-free stuff please |
| 10:19.23 | PerfDave | agabus_: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 10:19.26 | terr | hmm - I cannot remove nano from the lists because of the same bug. |
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| 10:19.29 | jetscreamer | agabus: try /lastlog jetscreamer |
| 10:19.40 | jetscreamer | terr: dpkg --force-help |
| 10:19.59 | PerfDave | pinks: Doesn't seem to, no. |
| 10:20.00 | agabus_ | k |
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| 10:20.09 | terr | jetscreamer a simpler soution might be to make the symlink |
| 10:20.19 | pinks | :-/ |
| 10:20.36 | pinks | any ideas of how to get them from /var/mail |
| 10:20.41 | jetscreamer | [05.07.26] <jetscreamer> shell out and make one |
| 10:21.02 | jetscreamer | good idea terr |
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| 10:22.28 | CyberShadow | "make gconfig" threw a SEGFAULT when I wanted to save the settings :E |
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| 10:23.35 | terr | There we go - /usr/man did not exist. |
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| 10:26.34 | agabus_ | ok i found w32codecs, but nvidia glx drivers don't seem to be there |
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| 10:27.34 | resiak | agabus_: You need non-free and contrib, and also unstable sources. |
| 10:27.39 | resiak | !tell agabus_ -about nvidia howto |
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| 10:27.46 | resiak | !tell agabus_ -about quick sid/sarge howto |
| 10:27.58 | resiak | !tell agabus_ -about quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 10:29.06 | pinks | any ideas why my sound doesn;t work after I've been on standby? (Sarge on a laptop) |
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| 10:31.54 | WTL1977 | guys i d/l sarge ... and use boot floppy to boot |
| 10:32.01 | WTL1977 | then when i tried to install from CD |
| 10:32.07 | WTL1977 | its says krenel not same as archive |
| 10:32.19 | WTL1977 | but i got the images from the same iso |
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| 10:32.31 | PerfDave | pinks: less /var/mail/$user ? |
| 10:32.40 | _rene_ | 999 |
| 10:32.40 | _rene_ | |
| 10:32.40 | _rene_ | |
| 10:32.49 | _rene_ | ops |
| 10:33.17 | sorahn | does anyone know if you can disable the forwarding of sound from the host to the client when using rdesktop? |
| 10:33.41 | valdyn | pinks: using alsa? |
| 10:33.41 | resiak | sorahn: Sure, just disable it in the esound preferences panel (or arts prefs if you're a KDE person) |
| 10:33.57 | resiak | WTL1977: Can you not boot from the CD? |
| 10:34.08 | directhex|work | sorahn, you should find settings like that when using an rdesktop front-end (grdesktop) |
| 10:34.15 | pinks | valdyn: yes |
| 10:34.16 | sorahn | hmmm |
| 10:34.16 | directhex|work | or you can disable it server-side in windows |
| 10:34.19 | WTL1977 | resiak : nope i boot from floppy ... then i install via CD |
| 10:34.25 | valdyn | pinks: /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload |
| 10:34.38 | sorahn | mb i should get a front end for rdesktop then? |
| 10:34.40 | pinks | valdyn: and my microphone doesn't work at all |
| 10:34.58 | valdyn | pinks: one problem at a time |
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| 10:35.02 | pinks | :-) |
| 10:35.03 | WTL1977 | resiak : my com dont support boot from CD |
| 10:35.13 | resiak | WTL1977: I dunno, then. Just wondered. |
| 10:35.31 | pinks | valdyn: tks - I'll go s/by now and come back...... |
| 10:35.35 | WTL1977 | resiak : thanks :D ... XD |
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| 10:37.23 | pinks | back |
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| 10:38.21 | pinks | valdyn: force-reload did it :-) |
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| 10:38.26 | pinks | thanks |
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| 10:39.10 | pinks | any ideas why my mike isn't working in alsa? |
| 10:39.29 | Guerin | pinks: you don't have the channel on or set to capture? |
| 10:39.47 | pinks | not sure... |
| 10:40.00 | pinks | what do you mean exactly? |
| 10:40.18 | WTL1977 | oh this is sad i cannt install sarge ... i only got 16mb on my old laptop |
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| 10:40.33 | WTL1977 | hmmz what other versions of debian will work on a P1 133mhz 16mb 1GB hdd? |
| 10:40.35 | bob2 | 16MB should work in low-memory mode |
| 10:40.41 | bob2 | woody will install fine |
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| 10:40.55 | WTL1977 | bob2 : how do i set low mem for sarge? |
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| 10:41.03 | bob2 | don't know |
| 10:41.10 | bob2 | presumably it's in the install guide |
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| 10:41.30 | WTL1977 | k thks |
| 10:41.38 | PerfDave | WTL1977: You could install Woody and dist-upgrade to Sarge? |
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| 10:41.59 | bob2 | apt against sarge with 16MB will churn for a very long time |
| 10:42.11 | WTL1977 | hmmzz |
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| 10:43.20 | WTL1977 | will try the low mem thinggy 1st .. if fail i will install woody and dist-upgrade it to sarge |
| 10:43.29 | WTL1977 | thanks for the advice bob and perf |
| 10:43.38 | bob2 | np, good luck |
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| 10:52.53 | jtza8 | What is the desktop environment menu generation program called again? |
| 10:53.17 | petemc | menu? |
| 10:54.33 | Rambo3 | the "Start" button |
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| 10:57.09 | tim_h_ | which is the Systemwide file for setting Xresources or Xdefaults? |
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| 10:58.39 | jm_ | they're in /etc/X11/Xresources |
| 10:59.32 | valdyn | jtza8: update-menus |
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| 11:00.20 | liable | my scroll button on my thinkpad keeps making mozilla go to another page, something to do with pasting I think, how can I stop it, I had fixed this before and fixed it but then I formatted and now I cant remember what I did. |
| 11:00.41 | tim_h_ | jm_: should I just put a file in there or add the values to one of the existing files? |
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| 11:01.31 | bytecolor | 'course it's an old one (390X) |
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| 11:01.43 | pinks | liable: I have the same problem with a mouse wheel - keeps scrolling when I don;t want.... |
| 11:01.59 | Snadder | anyone know how diff can ignore an part of the line? |
| 11:02.30 | terr | Snadder is there a control code there? |
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| 11:03.23 | Snadder | no. but I can create one |
| 11:03.24 | valdyn | liable: you dont want to disable the standard unix paste methed, do you? |
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| 11:04.25 | Snadder | terr: i'm doing a diff on some output from two programs i've created... so I can change the format |
| 11:04.33 | ld-xorg | hi to all |
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| 11:04.36 | Snadder | arg.. |
| 11:04.54 | liable | valdyn: well, I use it in console, but yes I want to stop this annoying mozilla thing |
| 11:05.01 | bytecolor | run it through sed then into diff, stripping out what you dont want compaired |
| 11:05.14 | bytecolor | if I understood the question correctly... |
| 11:05.54 | valdyn | liable: go to about:config , set middlemouse.paste to false |
| 11:05.59 | celuken | i have a startx version that on the termina doesn't alow copy/paste |
| 11:06.32 | celuken | how can i enable that ? |
| 11:06.40 | liable | valdyn: what is about:config, never heard of it |
| 11:06.46 | jm_ | tim_h_: new file |
| 11:06.54 | Snadder | bytecolor, no.. I want some output which always differs.. outputted in diff |
| 11:06.54 | valdyn | liable: type it into mozilla |
| 11:06.56 | jm_ | tim_h_: make sure you name it properly |
| 11:07.12 | Snadder | but only the last part of the line differs all the time |
| 11:07.16 | liable | valdyn: oh, ok cheers, back in a mo |
| 11:07.16 | tim_h_ | jm_ thanks |
| 11:07.22 | jm_ | tim_h_: man run-parts |
| 11:07.25 | tucsk5 | is there any central management solution for debian? I mean I have different classes of hosts (each class has 10+ hosts) and I manage configurations of these classes on a central machine (debs, config files,etc) and I roll-out these configs to the hosts of the class. A trivial solution is to have an user-mode-linux for all these classes on a central machine, and distribute the config with rsync, but that seems to be too brute for me... any other solution? |
| 11:07.30 | tim_h_ | jm_: OK |
| 11:07.44 | tuxyRochefort | how to grab an entire directory (with sub directories) with ftp (command line) ? |
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| 11:08.02 | jm_ | tucsk5: cfeingine probably |
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| 11:08.45 | celuken | jm_ :i have a startx version that on the termina doesn't alow copy/paste |
| 11:08.47 | valdyn | tucsk5: apt-cache search cfengine |
| 11:08.59 | jm_ | celuken: you have what? |
| 11:09.02 | SlayerXP | tucsk5: i use cfengine2 to do just that |
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| 11:09.15 | jm_ | ahh cfeingine indeed won't help when searching for it ;) |
| 11:09.56 | celuken | jm_ an X window manager that on the terminal doesn\t allow copy/paste |
| 11:09.58 | tucsk5 | jm_ and SlayerXP: thank you |
| 11:10.06 | celuken | jm_ :how can i enable that ? |
| 11:10.16 | valdyn | celuken: thats none of you window managers business |
| 11:10.17 | SlayerXP | tucsk5: cfengine is _really_ neat. |
| 11:10.27 | valdyn | celuken: why do you think it was? |
| 11:10.33 | jm_ | celuken: what terminal? you mean Linux console? that won't work, you need to use screen |
| 11:10.40 | celuken | but whos? |
| 11:10.55 | celuken | xterm |
| 11:11.05 | jm_ | do you know how copy&paste works? |
| 11:11.09 | valdyn | celuken: mark something in your xterm, then hit the middle mouse button |
| 11:11.27 | celuken | i have marked |
| 11:11.38 | jm_ | heh |
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| 11:15.50 | liable | valdyn: thanks for that, worked a treat |
| 11:16.02 | celuken | jm- :i have a connection problem |
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| 11:17.49 | celuken | so i/ve marked all |
| 11:17.53 | hdkiller | hello, I got problems geting an UML into the network. I tired whit tun/tap and with the uml_switch too. If i set up the network in the virtual machine, and i try to 'ping' from the uml, it's stops responding, and hangs up.. |
| 11:18.02 | valdyn | celuken: now hit your middle mouse button |
| 11:18.24 | hdkiller | i apt-get install'ed the package btw |
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| 11:19.42 | celuken | i have a mouse wheel with two butons only |
| 11:20.03 | valdyn | celuken: you wheel doesnt function as a button aswell? |
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| 11:20.04 | jethro | wheel mice are often 3 buttons mice |
| 11:20.05 | celuken | is and old one |
| 11:20.13 | jethro | weird |
| 11:20.16 | celuken | no |
| 11:20.30 | celuken | is an old an poor one |
| 11:20.34 | valdyn | yea, it has button 1 and 2 and 4,5 for the wheel, sick |
| 11:20.35 | celuken | :) |
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| 11:20.37 | celuken | Compaq |
| 11:20.47 | celuken | no |
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| 11:20.57 | jethro | !tell celuken -about enter |
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| 11:21.41 | celuken | the wheel is under not scrool wheel that is not optical |
| 11:21.43 | valdyn | celuken: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, leave stuff as it is, except, chose "emulate 3rd mouse button". if you havent done that |
| 11:22.02 | celuken | k |
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| 11:24.49 | celuken | valdyn after that i need restart? |
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| 11:26.36 | sep | is there a daemon that can trigger a script imidiatly after a filechange or timestamp change of a file ? |
| 11:26.42 | celuken | i put 3d mouse ms 3 button Microsoft compatible serial mouse |
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| 11:26.49 | jm_ | sep: try dnotify |
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| 11:27.06 | celuken | ok? |
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| 11:28.31 | sep | jm_ that looks at the entire dir, and there are files changing all the time, this needs to look at 1 file |
| 11:28.31 | celuken | valdyn |
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| 11:29.30 | sep | jm_ hmm just move the file and problem solved , thankyou :) |
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| 11:30.01 | lnxgrl | hi |
| 11:30.04 | lnxgrl | simple quest: how to delete a line from a file which contains "abc" ? |
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| 11:31.08 | Rawplayer | backsparce? |
| 11:31.08 | Rawplayer | space |
| 11:31.12 | Gathond | lnxgrl: sed |
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| 11:32.05 | petemc | grep -v abc oldfile > newfile |
| 11:32.13 | lnxgrl | hmm |
| 11:32.20 | lnxgrl | it's inittab |
| 11:32.28 | lnxgrl | i'd like to modify it without recreating it |
| 11:32.42 | lnxgrl | some sed command *g |
| 11:32.49 | andyd | can you not just open the file and edit it ? |
| 11:33.01 | petemc | vim file - /abc (enter) dd (enter) |
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| 11:33.06 | taddeus | morning |
| 11:33.09 | lnxgrl | for an automated process |
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| 11:33.25 | Rawplayer | hey usn |
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| 11:35.06 | ignotus | hello, how do I enable subpixel rendering? (Debian sid) |
| 11:36.30 | cockroach | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:36.30 | jm_ | lnxgrl: you can automate it with sed that has -i switch, or with ed/vi/vim/... |
| 11:36.30 | CaptainNuss | hi. i'm running a debian sarge system and trying to compile kernel 2.6.11 using "fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.050415 kernel_image". i'm getting the following error: "cp: `debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.050415': specified destination directory does not exist" kernel compiles alright, but the debian package doesn't seem to be created |
| 11:36.30 | ignotus | cockroach: I made my XF86Config-4 by hand, what is the parameter I have to set? |
| 11:36.30 | taddeus | the ATI setup is asking to me: Do you wan't initialize xfree86-dga ? I don't know what is mean.. should i answer Y ? Anyone can explain me ? I', using XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1. |
| 11:36.31 | cockroach | ignotus: hrm, let me check |
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| 11:36.31 | ignotus | cockroach: thank you very much |
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| 11:36.54 | PerfDave | CaptainNuss: sid? |
| 11:37.11 | CaptainNuss | PerfDave: yes |
| 11:37.18 | PerfDave | CaptainNuss: Check the BTS for make-kpkg |
| 11:38.10 | directhex|work | taddeus, what ati setup? |
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| 11:38.11 | CaptainNuss | PerfDave: i'm sorry, what's a BTS? |
| 11:38.11 | taddeus | directhex|work: setup for ATI 9600 video card |
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| 11:38.12 | cockroach | ignotus: sorry, can't seem to find it :( |
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| 11:38.24 | directhex|work | taddeus, wrong answer. say something descriptive or useful, or just don't bother speaking at all |
| 11:38.25 | CaptainNuss | PerfDave: ah, bug tracking system |
| 11:38.33 | Mash_ | hello |
| 11:38.34 | PerfDave | !btssmite CaptainNuss |
| 11:38.38 | taddeus | :\ |
| 11:38.53 | PerfDave | CaptainNuss: If you don't know what the BTS is, you *really* shouldn't be running sid. |
| 11:39.04 | ignotus | cockroach: oh, no prob! |
| 11:39.54 | taddeus | ok, i think something is wrong on conf of my video card (ati 9600) i'm tring to reconfigure it using the official driver released by ati |
| 11:40.38 | CaptainNuss | PerfDave: easy, there. i just haven't heard the abbreviation "BTS" yet |
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| 11:40.54 | directhex|work | taddeus, this is linux. you didn't double-click setup.exe. if you can't even hint at what the hell you've been doing, why the hell should we waste our own time trying to play guessing games? |
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| 11:41.22 | PerfDave | CaptainNuss: Which demonstrates nicely that you don't have much experience of Debian, which indicates that you *really* shouldn't be running Debian. |
| 11:41.27 | taddeus | i'm in Advanced Graphics Features Settings, it ask: do you want to initialize xfree86-dga ? YN should i answer y ? |
| 11:41.29 | PerfDave | Or at least, running Sid. |
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| 11:41.42 | taddeus | directhex|work: i'm usind debian ! dho |
| 11:41.47 | directhex|work | ARGH |
| 11:41.50 | taddeus | using* |
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| 11:43.23 | directhex|work | when did it become sunday -_- |
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| 11:43.23 | paulswm | !prize directhex|work |
| 11:43.23 | taddeus | directhex|work: i would like to use free driver ati, but i don't know how to do that :\ |
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| 11:43.24 | rm-Rf_ | i try to send email size of 15mb and sendmail fails to send it |
| 11:43.24 | directhex|work | taddeus, there is no open-source 3d support for r300 ati graphics cores. |
| 11:43.52 | rm-Rf_ | Sendmail here is postfix |
| 11:43.52 | joenp | Where can I find a list of SMP kernels for Debian? |
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| 11:43.52 | directhex|work | taddeus, when you've worked out what you've done to reach the point you're at, then perhaps you can be helped. |
| 11:43.52 | directhex|work | joenp, apt-cache search kernel-image smp |
| 11:43.53 | joenp | (And more info on above) |
| 11:44.08 | paulswm | joenp: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 11:44.32 | paulswm | and smp |
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| 11:45.00 | Subdino | what can be run on an ide drive that can't be read ? any smart reset command ? the HD is a western digital. Aparently nothing can be read on it, starting with the partition table. |
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| 11:45.45 | Subdino | I put it in an external usb cradle to ba able to plug/unplug at will |
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| 11:45.59 | hdkiller | i can't do networking with UML, anybody can help me? I followed the docs etc, but it's hangs up when try to access the network.. |
| 11:46.11 | tilix | where can I download the Perl scripts that packages.debian.org is using, if they are under GPL? |
| 11:46.15 | joenp | directhex|work, paulswm: Thanks. |
| 11:46.24 | paulswm | joenp: yw |
| 11:46.34 | topa_ | do I need any plugin to play mp3's with rhythmbox ? |
| 11:46.38 | rm-Rf_ | i try to send email size of 15mb and sendmail fails to send it what can be wrong (postfix) |
| 11:46.40 | topa_ | cause currently i cant play mp3's |
| 11:47.43 | topa_ | do I need any plugin to play mp3's with rhythmbox ? |
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| 11:47.47 | topa_ | cause currently i cant play mp3's |
| 11:48.30 | directhex|work | topa_, nobody heard you when you asked 60 seconds ago |
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| 11:48.49 | paulswm | directhex|work: you're right about the Sunday thing |
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| 11:48.57 | directhex|work | topa_, rhythmbox uses gstreamer0.8-mad to play MP3 files. |
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| 11:49.23 | topa_ | directhex|work sorry abt that thought my earlier msg's didn't get through :) |
| 11:49.27 | topa_ | -:- BitchX: Join to #debian was synched in 78.960 secs!! |
| 11:49.44 | topa_ | :-( |
| 11:49.44 | paulswm | WOW |
| 11:49.44 | WorkerII | What is the command to build a debian package? |
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| 11:50.11 | directhex|work | WorkerII, use dh_make to prepare normal source for debianisation, and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:50.18 | directhex|work | !tell WorkerII about nm guide |
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| 11:50.31 | directhex|work | topa_, bitchx is evil & wrong |
| 11:50.46 | joenp | kernel-image-2.6.9-9-em64t-p4-smp. Is this suitable for a 3,4GHz P4 with HT? |
| 11:50.48 | WorkerII | directhex|work : I have nicked the files from another package already. :-) |
| 11:50.56 | joenp | Should I perhaps go with an earlier version? |
| 11:51.11 | directhex|work | joenp, no |
| 11:51.13 | WorkerII | directhex|work : The debian dir, that is. |
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| 11:51.39 | directhex|work | joenp, em64t is intel's amd64 clone, only found on nocona and irwindale core xeons, and the VERY latest pentium 4 extreme ediiton |
| 11:51.49 | directhex|work | joenp, you want a 686 kernel |
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| 11:51.53 | joenp | directhex|work: I see. |
| 11:51.54 | topa_ | directhex|work what's eVil about BitchX ? |
| 11:51.59 | directhex|work | !bitchx |
| 11:52.03 | dpkg | Why are you adding such dumb factoids? We don't need more idiots with quit messages. ask me about root |
| 11:52.06 | stew | !why is bitchx not in testing |
| 11:52.07 | dpkg | bitchx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bitchx |
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| 11:52.16 | paulswm | It's dumbass part messages for a start |
| 11:52.33 | WorkerII | What? |
| 11:52.37 | paulswm | !apostrophe smite paulswm |
| 11:52.38 | WorkerII | BX is not in testing? |
| 11:52.42 | stew | WorkerII: nope |
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| 11:52.48 | directhex|work | WorkerII, removed for massive security holes |
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| 11:52.57 | directhex|work | big enough to drive a bus through |
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| 11:53.00 | joenp | directhex|work: I did |grep -vi celeron, so 686 didn't show up :) |
| 11:53.25 | WorkerII | directhex|work : The RC bugs? |
| 11:53.30 | directhex|work | joenp, the only difference between celeron and p4 is cache size. from a kernel perspective, that means 0 difference |
| 11:53.33 | directhex|work | WorkerII, yes |
| 11:53.35 | topa_ | hmm thanks for the info, I was considering moving to irssi, cause of the perl scripting |
| 11:53.48 | joenp | directhex|work: I've been wondering about that, thanks. |
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| 11:54.07 | joenp | directhex|work: So kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp would do? |
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| 11:54.21 | directhex|work | joenp, yes, it would. assuming you want 2.6.11 |
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| 11:54.56 | topa_ | directhex|work I seem to have almost all of gstreamer0.8-* |
| 11:54.57 | joenp | directhex|work: I don't know if I do. This machine is for testing purposes and needs to be fairly bleeding edge, although still usable. |
| 11:55.16 | directhex|work | joenp, you could always use testing for testing purposes, you know |
| 11:55.21 | tilix | where can I download the Perl scripts that packages.debian.org is using, if they are under GPL? |
| 11:55.32 | WorkerII | directhex|work : It shouldn't be that hard to fix that bug, though. |
| 11:55.32 | directhex|work | topa_, is rhythmbox playing other formats? |
| 11:55.57 | joenp | directhex|work: Hehe, indeed. But I need unstable. I'll give it a shot. |
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| 11:56.46 | WorkerII | directhex|work : Actually I think this might be a bug in dancer ircd. |
| 11:56.47 | topa_ | nope not even ogg, directhex|work |
| 11:56.55 | WorkerII | directhex|work : Nah .. forget this. :) |
| 11:57.15 | directhex|work | topa_, then perhaps it's a gstreamer problem not an mp3 problem. which sound driver & server do you use? |
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| 11:57.38 | topa_ | intel AC97 + alsa |
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| 11:58.30 | usn | hi all |
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| 11:58.30 | directhex|work | topa_, no ESD or aRts or JACK? |
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| 11:58.46 | topa_ | nope |
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| 12:00.57 | Lee__ | I'm having trouble getting the hostap_cs driver to connect to an access point. iwconfig fails to put it into Managed mode. |
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| 12:01.25 | coachz | I just installed apache2 from apt-get package in debain and httpd.conf is pretty much empty. is apache2.conf taking over httpd.conf's job ? |
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| 12:03.18 | joenp | /etc/inittab says id:2:initdefault, but still Debian boots into 5? |
| 12:03.19 | coachz | And there isn't even a document root in this file |
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| 12:03.28 | directhex|work | joenp, debian boots into 2, always |
| 12:03.41 | stew | joenp: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 12:03.50 | joenp | stew: sid |
| 12:04.09 | joenp | directhex|work: So I need to stop something after the fact. |
| 12:04.17 | sceig | How can i uninstall a program installed via install.py file ? |
| 12:04.26 | stew | joenp: and how are you checking the current runlevel? |
| 12:04.34 | directhex|work | !wayttd joenp |
| 12:04.35 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, joenp? |
| 12:04.39 | WorkerII | There is a way to escape signing a debian package ... I wonder if there is a recommended way to do this for NMU by non-DD ? |
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| 12:04.59 | joenp | I'm trying to avoid starting X immediately :) |
| 12:05.05 | stew | joenp: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 12:05.25 | joefso | are there any external repository's which make it possible to install 2.10? |
| 12:05.36 | WorkerII | !slay cbg_loach Don't IRC as root |
| 12:05.40 | joenp | ty. |
| 12:05.48 | stew | WorkerII: #debian-mentors |
| 12:05.57 | directhex|work | !tell joenp about nodm |
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| 12:07.13 | joenp | I see. |
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| 12:07.17 | Guerin_ | WorkerII: what? |
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| 12:07.30 | Guerin_ | WorkerII: you think that debian will accept a package not signed by a dd? |
| 12:07.52 | WorkerII | Guerin_ : I have relayed the question to #Debian-Mentors .. and no, but I am not a DD, so I cannot sign. |
| 12:08.00 | sceig | How can i uninstall a program installed via an install.py file ? |
| 12:08.10 | Guerin_ | WorkerII: i believe the process is to get a DD to sign it for you |
| 12:08.14 | directhex|work | sceig, if you're lucky, you use uninstall.py |
| 12:08.22 | WorkerII | Guerin_ : And I am not the maintainer of the package .. if I like the result, however, I might want a sponsor for an NMU. |
| 12:08.27 | directhex|work | sceig, but basically, you're boned, this is why you use packages |
| 12:08.29 | joenp | !tell joenp about disabling services such as AppleTalk |
| 12:08.29 | sceig | i^m not lucky :( |
| 12:08.36 | RichiH | sceig: see if the install.py has an uninstall option, else use uninstall.py, else cuss at dev |
| 12:08.44 | stew | WorkerII: you should probably be posting to the -mentors mailing list |
| 12:08.49 | Guerin_ | yeah |
| 12:08.52 | WorkerII | Guerin_ : My current problem is to build the package without the key of the current DD. |
| 12:08.55 | sceig | no uninstall.py option too |
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| 12:09.11 | stew | WorkerII: just don't specify a key and it will create an unsigned package |
| 12:09.11 | Guerin_ | WorkerII: there si a process in place to get packages sponsored |
| 12:09.25 | WorkerII | stew : It cannot be that hard to build a package without ... thats what I want to do. |
| 12:09.33 | sceig | and i havn't found package for Eric3 and sip (python module) |
| 12:09.33 | sceig | :( |
| 12:09.38 | WorkerII | stew : Do you happen to remember where I disable the key? |
| 12:09.41 | joenp | dpkg doesn't know how about disabling services such as AppleTalk |
| 12:09.45 | joenp | Anyone? :) |
| 12:09.52 | stew | WorkerII: you don't, you just don't specify one on the dpkg-buildpackage command line |
| 12:10.02 | stew | joenp: man update-rc.d |
| 12:10.11 | Lee__ | joenp: appletalk is a protocol, not a service |
| 12:10.15 | WorkerII | stew : I get an error though .. can I safely ignore that? |
| 12:10.18 | stew | yes |
| 12:10.37 | directhex|work | !info eric sarge |
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| 12:10.39 | dpkg | eric: (full featured Python IDE), section python, is optional. Version: 3.6.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1576 kB, Installed size: 9160 kB |
| 12:10.42 | Aronofsky | hi , got a pb , I compiled a new kernel and when I boot it freezes while initializing SELinux , any idea ? |
| 12:10.48 | Lee__ | netatalk is a service and you can disable it with update-rc.d or sysv-rc-conf |
| 12:10.56 | Guerin_ | !wayc Aronofsky |
| 12:10.57 | dpkg | Aronofsky: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 12:11.00 | stew | WorkerII: make sure the package is lintian and linda clean before you bother looking for a sponsor |
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| 12:11.27 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | people.debian.org up, some pages missing | DPL election: Overfiend made it |
| 12:11.28 | stew | WorkerII: in the changelog |
| 12:11.33 | Aronofsky | dpkg , to have kernel as light as possible |
| 12:11.36 | WorkerII | stew : ahh ok |
| 12:11.38 | orjan | Howto setup a local printer together with rdesktop. I gladly do the reading if if someone has a pointer/url. And, yes, I have googled first. |
| 12:11.48 | Guerin_ | Aronofsky: not a good reason when it results in a non-working kernel |
| 12:11.49 | stew | WorkerII: which you should definately be editing if you are making changes including which bugs you are closing |
| 12:11.49 | directhex|work | Aronofsky, a modular kernel is already light |
| 12:11.50 | WorkerII | stew : Thanks .. I thought it was merely a textfile for humans. ;-) |
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| 12:12.07 | stew | WorkerII: no, and its formatting is strict |
| 12:12.13 | Guerin_ | very strict |
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| 12:12.20 | directhex|work | destroy all hu-mons! |
| 12:12.21 | Guerin_ | editing it by hand is a bad idea :) |
| 12:13.26 | Aronofsky | another question then , what is SELinux and how to disactive it ? |
| 12:14.15 | Guerin_ | Aronofsky: wtf |
| 12:14.28 | Guerin_ | Aronofsky: you have to SPECIFICALLY enable it if you want it |
| 12:14.39 | stew | Aronofsky: selinux is a google search term |
| 12:14.44 | Guerin_ | Aronofsky: just use a dammn debian kernel |
| 12:14.51 | directhex|work | Aronofsky, it's a new security model based on permission sets. it's part of fedora by default, but not in debain |
| 12:14.55 | directhex|work | !debian kernel image |
| 12:14.56 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
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| 12:15.20 | Guerin_ | it is in debian kernels by default, I believe.... just not turned on. |
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| 12:15.41 | Aronofsky | directhex|work, thank you |
| 12:15.48 | directhex|work | you're right Guerin_ |
| 12:15.48 | Lee__ | I don't know about you but I need my kernel light so I can play Half-Life 2. |
| 12:15.53 | directhex|work | CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX=y |
| 12:16.03 | Lee__ | j/k |
| 12:16.04 | Guerin_ | Lee__: bullshit |
| 12:16.07 | Guerin_ | heh |
| 12:16.09 | Guerin_ | ok |
| 12:16.20 | directhex|work | Lee__, try adding more ram. it's really quite smooth with 2gb and cedega 4.3.1 |
| 12:16.33 | mngrif | i need a light kernel because I'm on a P200 :P |
| 12:16.43 | directhex|work | mngrif, use a modular debian kernel |
| 12:17.09 | Lee__ | seriously, the debian kernel is pretty light as far as Linux distros go |
| 12:17.13 | mngrif | directhex|work: actually thanks to the advent of distcc, this box runs gentoo of all things. my main workstation is the debian box :) |
| 12:17.15 | Guerin | mngrif: bullshit, again |
| 12:17.33 | Guerin | debian kernels are really streamlined if you don't load any unnecessary modules |
| 12:17.36 | WorkerII | There is a command that test the package and runs lintian automagic? |
| 12:17.38 | Ancillius | hi, if have got a problem with my usb keyboard. How do I change the repeat rate delay? kbdrate does only affect the build in laptop keyboard, as well as the XF86Config-4 Options |
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| 12:18.03 | Lee__ | dpkg should make a note of the phenomenon of kernel compiling as macho pissing contest. |
| 12:18.08 | mngrif | Guerin: agreed. can you point me to a debian specific 2.4 > 2.6 HOWTO? |
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| 12:18.24 | directhex|work | mngrif, it's really complex. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 12:18.25 | WorkerII | mngrif : In the old days you benefit a lot from building your own kernel. Today its almost the other way around. |
| 12:18.27 | Guerin | mngrif: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.whatever |
| 12:18.39 | stew | WorkerII: just run lintian -i blah.dsc and linda blah.dsc |
| 12:18.49 | WorkerII | mngrif : Esp. in Debian. |
| 12:18.49 | mngrif | let dpkg hand the rest? |
| 12:18.49 | WorkerII | stew : Thanks |
| 12:18.53 | Guerin | mngrif: yes. Doesn't work on woody, natch. |
| 12:18.55 | mngrif | WorkerII: i know, i've been with debian for years |
| 12:19.04 | mngrif | Guerin: unstable? |
| 12:19.10 | Guerin | mngrif: of course. |
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| 12:19.15 | mngrif | groovey. |
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| 12:21.04 | Nwallins | i am trying to customize emacs. i have a ~/.emacs.d but no ~/.emacs should i create a ~/.emacs for this? |
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| 12:21.59 | stew | Nwallins: yes |
| 12:22.04 | Guerin | Nwallins: you can have a .emacs file or a .emacs.d dir, I believe |
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| 12:22.12 | Guerin | Nwallins: but a single file is usually better |
| 12:22.17 | Nwallins | yeah, it's a dir.. should i use the dir? |
| 12:22.22 | Nwallins | ok cool.. sticking with .emacs |
| 12:22.23 | stew | .emacs.d is used for autosave files |
| 12:22.24 | Nwallins | thanks |
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| 12:22.36 | Nwallins | yeah, that's all i found in there |
| 12:22.44 | mngrif | *cough*VI*cough* |
| 12:22.50 | Overand | haha |
| 12:22.55 | Lee__ | anyone here have success with the sarge + hostap driver + 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:23.00 | Overand | *cough*notepad.exe-via-wine*cough* |
| 12:23.03 | Nwallins | *cough*CANCER*cough* |
| 12:23.04 | Guerin | ah, talk of a real editor always brings the vidiots out |
| 12:23.13 | Lee__ | !start an editor war |
| 12:23.13 | dpkg | ae users need to get out more often |
| 12:23.16 | mngrif | lol Guerin |
| 12:23.25 | tarzeau | anyone is installing debian (sarge) over the network (in masses)? |
| 12:23.37 | stew | Lee__: if you want to be in managed mode why are you using hostap? |
| 12:23.38 | Lee__ | tarzeau: sure, why not? |
| 12:23.45 | tarzeau | Lee__: using what system? |
| 12:24.00 | mngrif | Guerin: what really gets me is the nano/pico kids |
| 12:24.05 | tarzeau | Lee__: i'm curious if someone is here who does, and how he does it |
| 12:24.07 | WorkerII | Hmm .. the package is bad .. it failed halfway through the install .. will dpkg roll back automaticly? |
| 12:24.10 | Lee__ | stew: what's the other driver. hostap is the only one I know of for the prism2 chipset |
| 12:24.15 | Overand | haha |
| 12:24.17 | takatumi | Lee__: what is wrong? |
| 12:24.18 | Overand | you guys are still going? |
| 12:24.24 | tarzeau | Lee__: we've got this here, that we use: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys3/ |
| 12:24.36 | tarzeau | Lee__: i know at least there is FAI |
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| 12:25.02 | Lee__ | takatumi: I can't get my card to associate with an AP but the driver is loaded, as kismet can passively scan |
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| 12:25.22 | takatumi | Lee__: man 7 wireless |
| 12:25.24 | Lee__ | when I run 'iwconfig wlan0 mode managed' it makes the card non-functional and I have to eject it |
| 12:25.28 | opqdonut | what should i do if i need to change the hostname of my server? changing /etc/hostname broke sudo |
| 12:25.46 | tarzeau | opqdonut: hostname newname, edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 12:25.53 | tarzeau | opqdonut: run telinit q, relogin |
| 12:25.59 | Nwallins | read a lot of griping about debian's release schedule.. seems myopic to me.. essentially, the complaint is - debian should hurry up and release sarge... why not just use sarge now? is there really additional value in debian considering sarge 'stable'? |
| 12:26.02 | tarzeau | opqdonut: some services might want to restart |
| 12:26.08 | stew | Lee__: use the wlan-ng drivers |
| 12:26.10 | Lee__ | tarzeau: download a netinst cd and choose a mirror as your apt source |
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| 12:26.18 | Lee__ | stew: cool, thanks. |
| 12:26.20 | tarzeau | Lee__: why? |
| 12:26.22 | mngrif | opqdonut: also grep for your hostname in all of your config files... catch any stray instances |
| 12:26.31 | takatumi | Lee__: which hostap modules have you loaded? |
| 12:26.37 | tarzeau | Lee__: i don't want to install one system, nor do i want it to be interactive |
| 12:26.37 | opqdonut | ok. thanks all |
| 12:26.46 | takatumi | stew: wlan-ng is for 2.4 |
| 12:26.48 | Lee__ | takatumi: hostap_cs, hostap |
| 12:26.49 | tarzeau | takatumi: hi! |
| 12:26.56 | stew | Lee__: oh, nm then lee |
| 12:26.56 | takatumi | tarzeau: :) |
| 12:27.01 | stew | takatumi: is there not a 2.6 version? |
| 12:27.05 | mngrif | Nwallins: sarge is extremely stable for me right now. |
| 12:27.18 | orjan | Howto setup a local printer together with rdesktop. I gladly do the reading if if someone has a pointer/url. And, yes, I have googled first. |
| 12:27.19 | mngrif | 2.6 wireless = 2.4 + wlan-ng |
| 12:27.23 | takatumi | stew: built-in, atleast the orinoco ones are. |
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| 12:27.44 | Nwallins | that's what i'm saying.. if organization X wants a reasonably up-to-date distribution, why are they complaining about woody instead of installing sarge? |
| 12:27.47 | WorkerII | stew : Do you see me speaking in #Debian-Mentors? |
| 12:27.58 | mngrif | orjan: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:27.58 | WorkerII | stew : I wonder if they granted me a voice . . . |
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| 12:28.09 | opqdonut | tarzeau: should i change /etc/hostname to the fqdn? |
| 12:28.19 | directhex|work | Nwallins, security |
| 12:28.20 | tarzeau | opqdonut: no |
| 12:28.30 | tarzeau | opqdonut: i have the fqdn as the first thing after the ip in /etc/hosts |
| 12:28.35 | orjan | mngrif: print on a local printer using rdesktop |
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| 12:28.44 | coachz | What's the difference between apt-get remove and purge ? |
| 12:28.48 | mwilson | Nwallins: Because for most people, having security updates might be useful. |
| 12:28.55 | stew | WorkerII: i'm not in #debian-mentors, but its not moderated. is the channel +m? its generally a quiet channel /msg dpkg piav |
| 12:28.59 | directhex|work | coachz, purge removes configs |
| 12:29.01 | WorkerII | coachz : Config files. |
| 12:29.04 | takatumi | Lee__: there are 5 other hostap modules, try modconf |
| 12:29.07 | coachz | thanks |
| 12:29.11 | tarzeau | opqdonut: hostname should give you the hostname, and -f the fqdn |
| 12:29.11 | WorkerII | stew : Oh .. I thought you were there. |
| 12:29.13 | Guerin | coachz: the difference between reading the fucking manual and not |
| 12:29.21 | WorkerII | stew : Sorry. |
| 12:29.22 | Nwallins | directhex|work: mwilson: ah, i knew i was missing something... wait, sarge doesn't get security updates? |
| 12:29.24 | mngrif | orjan: as in you rdesktop into another machine, do your editing over the connection, and print? if that's the case you just have to have printing set up on the remote box |
| 12:29.26 | coachz | guerin, man sucks |
| 12:29.34 | coachz | but you knew that |
| 12:29.39 | Guerin | coachz: man doesn't suck as much as no man |
| 12:29.45 | stew | Nwallins: not yet, hopefully soon |
| 12:29.48 | coachz | in my world it's close |
| 12:29.53 | PerfDave | Nwallins: No, the current stable release is the only version that (regularly) gets security updates. At present, that is Woody. |
| 12:30.00 | Guerin | coachz: that's because you never read the damn manual |
| 12:30.02 | Lee__ | takatumi: thanks. |
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| 12:30.08 | Guerin | you just ask in here instead |
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| 12:30.13 | WorkerII | stew : And don't worry, I'm not repeating my question like a bunny trying to make children. ;-) |
| 12:30.19 | stew | :) |
| 12:30.19 | coachz | Guerin, cuz i like your abuse |
| 12:30.29 | Guerin | average as they may be, manpages DO often contain the answer |
| 12:30.30 | mngrif | coachz: also read the manpage on less so you can learn how to search for whats troubleing you |
| 12:30.38 | PerfDave | o/~ we love your abuse, it makes us feel like we are needed o/~ |
| 12:31.41 | takatumi | mngrif: poets are allowed to screw up grammar, but atleast get the spelling right. :) |
| 12:31.46 | Nwallins | PerfDave: ok. where do these sec fixes come from? original developers doing later work? debian maintainers? both? does sarge only receive the former? |
| 12:32.21 | orjan | mgrif the remote is a terminal server with printingsetup already |
| 12:32.26 | mngrif | takatumi: spelin was never anything i was good at, much less gramer. :P |
| 12:32.34 | stew | Nwallins: the debian security team. currently sarge only gets security fixes that normally migrate from unstable after a maintainer feels like uploading a security fix to unstable |
| 12:32.50 | mngrif | orjan: can you print locally? |
| 12:32.51 | RichiH | stew: this is about to change, though |
| 12:32.51 | Nwallins | stew: ah, thanks for the clarification |
| 12:33.03 | orjan | mngrif: yes |
| 12:33.04 | opqdonut | tarzeau: what should i do in /etc/hosts if i have two ips? |
| 12:33.07 | WorkerII | Guerin : Its not the fault of the manual, that morons doesn't read it. |
| 12:33.13 | mngrif | orjan: is it's a permissions issue? |
| 12:33.20 | mngrif | s/it's/it/ |
| 12:33.23 | RichiH | a new upload target SARGE-PROPOSED-UPGRADE is being introduced |
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| 12:33.28 | Guerin | WorkerII: absolutely. |
| 12:33.37 | stew | Nwallins: when testing security finally comes online you'll konw that the sarge release is near |
| 12:34.00 | PerfDave | Nwallins: The Debian Security Team. http://security.debian.org/ |
| 12:34.05 | orjan | mngrif: hmm I don't even see any printer connected in the server log |
| 12:34.16 | tarzeau | opqdonut: are both publicly/routed? |
| 12:34.34 | tarzeau | opqdonut: give them different names |
| 12:34.36 | opqdonut | tarzeau: other is private (192.16.8.x.x) other is public |
| 12:34.49 | mumin | Sorry but I'm a newbe is exim4 better than exim? |
| 12:34.50 | coachz | I just installed apt-get installed apache2 and when i try to remove it i be ldconfig not found in path |
| 12:34.54 | tarzeau | opqdonut: private one is not so important, give the public one the fqdn that it is reachable with |
| 12:34.58 | mngrif | orjan: if you can print locally from it, remote connections shouldn't matter unless the permissions within the lpd are fouled |
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| 12:35.08 | tarzeau | opqdonut: say 123.14.5.7 opq.donut.net opq |
| 12:35.13 | opqdonut | tarzeau: ok. but the two ips can't have the same name right? |
| 12:35.18 | WorkerII | I get an error |
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| 12:35.23 | orjan | mngrif: ok any urls to readup on? |
| 12:35.27 | opqdonut | tarzeau: yeah that's what i did with the external ip |
| 12:35.28 | tarzeau | opqdonut: well, it's unusual, but sure you can edit it to be so |
| 12:35.30 | WorkerII | Maybe I should direct #Emacs to this question? |
| 12:35.54 | tarzeau | opqdonut: the thing is if you have a name, it can't resolve to both ips and be reachable from the internet |
| 12:35.54 | WorkerII | "emacs-package-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/jde emacs21 emacs21 failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-package-install line 30, <TSORT> line 6." |
| 12:36.00 | tarzeau | opqdonut: unless you do some really ugly hacks |
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| 12:36.16 | mngrif | orjan: google for the name of the print server software... /usr/doc/* or /usr/share/doc/* tends to have useful stuffs. |
| 12:36.17 | WorkerII | oh wait .. its the jde thing that fails .. |
| 12:36.31 | orjan | mngrif: what permisions would be neeeded mor than running the progs on rdesktop and printing local? |
| 12:36.43 | WorkerII | Why don't newbies like myself read the error message properly?!?? |
| 12:36.48 | opqdonut | tarzeau: ok. thanks. i'll just give the internal one a different name. |
| 12:37.02 | orjan | mngrif: win2000 gives a lot of hits :) |
| 12:37.28 | mngrif | orjan: oh, win2k issue... #windows maybe? |
| 12:38.09 | WorkerII | mngrif : or /dev/null |
| 12:38.19 | orjan | mngrif: works with other win workstations...the only one I can't do it too is the rdsektop |
| 12:38.26 | tarzeau | mngrif: no #microsoft-windows |
| 12:38.32 | mngrif | orjan: printing to a win2k box from a linux box i CAN help with, but not with admin of win2k |
| 12:38.42 | WorkerII | tarzeau : I guess /dev/null would work too. |
| 12:38.42 | tarzeau | mngrif: #windows is really about www.linuks.mine.nu/windows.jpg until lilo took the channel away from us |
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| 12:38.58 | mngrif | WorkerII: if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all :P |
| 12:39.05 | WorkerII | tarzeau : He took it forceably? :) |
| 12:39.11 | tarzeau | WorkerII: yes |
| 12:39.16 | orjan | mngrif: oki, thanks |
| 12:39.16 | tarzeau | WorkerII: it was ours for years |
| 12:39.18 | mngrif | tarzeau: hrm. |
| 12:39.19 | WorkerII | tarzeau : What a freak |
| 12:39.25 | tarzeau | WorkerII: abusing the powers |
| 12:39.43 | m4lu6 | GAH. java. plugin. GAH! |
| 12:39.58 | Guerin | m4lu6: java-package |
| 12:40.01 | WorkerII | tarzeau : Indeed. I wouldn't have thought this about lilo. |
| 12:40.02 | m4lu6 | Guerin, yeah. |
| 12:40.10 | m4lu6 | mozilla works great, galeon craps out. |
| 12:40.10 | tarzeau | WorkerII: hahaha, you're new here, right? |
| 12:40.15 | WorkerII | tarzeau : Now I am sure I don't want to support this net. :) |
| 12:40.35 | tarzeau | WorkerII: this net also has a fucked limit of 20 channels/nick |
| 12:40.36 | WorkerII | tarzeau : Has lilo changed since 2002? |
| 12:40.50 | tarzeau | WorkerII: i don't know him personally. but if you mean /sbin/lilo it sucks compared to grub |
| 12:40.56 | WorkerII | hehe |
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| 12:41.11 | svizzero | anyone knows how to automatically open engage at startup with enlightenment? |
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| 12:41.14 | WorkerII | Well, I never knew him that well. |
| 12:41.31 | mngrif | tarzeau: most networks limit at 3... |
| 12:41.35 | tarzeau | mngrif: which? |
| 12:41.41 | WorkerII | tarzeau : I can handle 2 channels at a time max. Maybe 3, if I am not active in all of them. |
| 12:41.45 | tarzeau | mngrif: your statement is like bullshit |
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| 12:41.56 | tarzeau | WorkerII: you don't have irssi? |
| 12:42.10 | mngrif | tarzeau: most of the smaller (< 200 users) nets do that |
| 12:42.26 | tarzeau | mngrif: well this network has so much channels, that i want to be in more than only 20 |
| 12:42.29 | WorkerII | tarzeau : I am afraid its not a limit of the client, but of my mental capacity. :) |
| 12:42.32 | mngrif | WorkerII: your kung foo has yet to grow. |
| 12:42.37 | mngrif | tarzeau: agreed. |
| 12:42.39 | tarzeau | mngrif: so if the network grows, the other limit should grow too |
| 12:42.46 | Guerin | irc-fu |
| 12:42.57 | mngrif | tarzeau: as often does.. bring the issue up to an admin |
| 12:43.04 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 12:43.04 | WorkerII | mngrif : Indeed. |
| 12:43.07 | mngrif | Guerin: same difference! |
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| 12:43.26 | Blissex | WorkerII: one can keep an eye on 10-20 not too active channels, but contributing to more than 2-3 is indeed pretty much a strain. |
| 12:43.34 | Guerin | woah, paris is burning |
| 12:43.39 | mngrif | ? |
| 12:44.03 | mngrif | i thought the ground was cold today |
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| 12:44.28 | m4lu6 | GAH!! epiphany works w/javaplugin. galeon, you bastard. |
| 12:44.38 | jm_ | cold doesn't mean much when it comes to fire as long as it's dry |
| 12:44.57 | mngrif | jm_: "hell freezes over" reference... |
| 12:45.03 | jm_ | mngrif: heh |
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| 12:45.26 | m4lu6 | Ahahh... i guess ephiphany *doesn't* work. loading a java applet bombed it. intriguing. |
| 12:45.43 | WorkerII | darn .. I'm unable to build the package, though I got the manure working when installing it from source. |
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| 12:46.01 | WorkerII | Do you think it might help to remove some of the patches? |
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| 12:46.26 | mngrif | m4lu6: start the tracebacks! load the io cannons! batton the mmaps! |
| 12:46.31 | WorkerII | !tell root about root |
| 12:46.52 | Guerin | WorkerII: because apt doesn't do that automatically |
| 12:46.53 | WorkerII | !tell cbg_loach about root |
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| 12:47.03 | WorkerII | !tell dwu about root |
| 12:47.06 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 12:47.13 | WorkerII | !tell garmaflone about root |
| 12:47.24 | Guerin | WorkerII: why? |
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| 12:47.33 | Pappa | they are auto-told about root, i think |
| 12:47.41 | Guerin | they sure are |
| 12:47.44 | WorkerII | Guerin : Well, I nicked all the files from the previous version. |
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| 12:47.55 | Guerin | and almost none of them care |
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| 12:48.12 | mngrif | and root's owned by someone strict-style... you'll get killed if you stay on too long as root without ID'ing |
| 12:48.17 | Guerin | WorkerII: why are you lecturing auto-joins about root? |
| 12:48.20 | WorkerII | Guerin : I feel reinstating the ban would be apropiate. |
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| 12:48.33 | WorkerII | auto-joins? |
| 12:49.03 | Guerin | they're clearly just clients started at boot or with screen or something... they almost never actually quit or re-login when told about root |
| 12:49.20 | WorkerII | oh |
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| 12:49.35 | WorkerII | I didn't know them, just noticed their intriguing ident. |
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| 12:50.59 | coachz^ | can anyone tell me what line i need in my sources.lst to get this site to work http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/woody/ |
| 12:51.47 | takatumi | coachz^: upgrade to sarge instead. |
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| 12:55.06 | Guerin | coachz^: dotdeb TELLS YOU what line to use |
| 12:55.09 | Guerin | jesus |
| 12:55.27 | coachz | i got it, thanks |
| 12:55.29 | mngrif | Guerin: you need more or less coffee. i'm not sure. |
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| 12:55.51 | Guerin | mngrif: no. me and coachz go back a while, doing exactly this. |
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| 12:56.01 | Guerin | I wonder if he's actually just baiting me now. |
| 12:56.08 | Guerin | !flw1 |
| 12:56.08 | dpkg | from memory, flw1 is <coachz> i don't need no stinking docs |
| 12:56.15 | mngrif | Guerin: probably gets off to it. most trolls do. |
| 12:56.24 | Guerin | oh, he's not a troll |
| 12:56.32 | Guerin | he just refuses to read any doc |
| 12:56.38 | Guerin | any, at all |
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| 12:56.44 | Guerin | unless it comes from #debian |
| 12:56.58 | m4lu6 | ARHGH. this is absurd. /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so points to /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so yet Galeon likes to crash at startup. |
| 12:57.21 | Guerin | m4lu6: file a bug |
| 12:57.35 | chrisb7 | hey, i've some problems atm. i want to remove the package libapache-mod-python. but when i try it i get followgin messages: http://rafb.net/paste/results/X0VgIx17.html . if i do "dpkg -l" the package has status "pi". what does this mean?? someone can help me or have similar problems? |
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| 12:57.40 | Guerin | m4lu6: if you instaled using make-jpkg, it should Just Work. if it doesn't, it's a bug. |
| 12:57.43 | m4lu6 | Guerin, i might, after i scour around some more. something is screwy here. |
| 12:58.06 | Guerin | chrisb7: the output of dpkg -l explains what those initial letters mean |
| 12:58.25 | m4lu6 | Guerin, make-jpgk made bad symlinks in alternatives, i had to fix them, otherwise, this setup is identical to a laptop i have with sid, same jdk, etc. odd. |
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| 12:58.43 | Goshawk | i've a project registered on alioth and i wanna upload my html page, the mail sasy that i need to acces through ssh, but what user do i need to use? |
| 12:59.08 | mngrif | Goshawk: probably the username and password you signed up for?... |
| 12:59.17 | Guerin | wow, what a surprise |
| 12:59.22 | Guerin | you might need to log in! |
| 12:59.39 | mngrif | Guerin: there's some strange sites out there... might be a legit Q |
| 12:59.41 | Overand | Guerin: you're full of love today |
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| 13:00.03 | Goshawk | mngrif, do you say the name of the project itself? |
| 13:00.04 | takatumi | mngrif: alioth is for debian-developers. |
| 13:00.16 | Guerin | Overand: is that what you call it |
| 13:00.26 | mngrif | Goshawk: *shrug* |
| 13:00.28 | Overand | Guerin: =] |
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| 13:00.35 | Guerin | chrisb7: i guess you should do apt-get -f install; |
| 13:00.43 | takatumi | Goshawk: tried #debian-mentors? |
| 13:00.55 | Guerin | that's typically a good way of getting a hint as to how to fix a package fuckup |
| 13:00.58 | Goshawk | takatumi, no.. gonna there, thanks |
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| 13:01.28 | Overand | terr2: don't IRC from root. |
| 13:01.35 | Overand | terr2: in fact, don't to ANYTHING from root. =] |
| 13:01.55 | mngrif | can anyone recommend some software to use as a car mp3 player? |
| 13:02.20 | mngrif | i'm about to reinvent the wheel in... lua... if i can't find anything |
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| 13:02.32 | takatumi | mngrif: cplay? |
| 13:02.47 | Guerin | yeah, cplay |
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| 13:02.54 | chrisb7 | Guerin, okay. status is now "ii". all right. but now i want to remove it. this errors arrive: http://rafb.net/paste/results/X0VgIx17.html . do you know the problem? |
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| 13:03.40 | raf256 | damn, how can I continue a multisesison cd in k3b? |
| 13:03.46 | mngrif | cplay sounds right, but something that can be ran headless is what i need. preferably something that i can interface to over serial or TCP |
| 13:03.56 | Guerin | chrisb7: what command did you give? |
| 13:04.18 | chrisb7 | Guerin, apt-get remove libapache-mod-python |
| 13:04.20 | Overand | yeah that's not very verbose |
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| 13:04.43 | chrisb7 | Overand, what do you wnat to see? :) |
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| 13:04.54 | Overand | chrisb7: more info =] |
| 13:04.55 | tarzeau | mngrif: i asked two years ago, and last year, in #freenode |
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| 13:05.05 | terr2 | Overand I cannot log in as anything other than root. |
| 13:05.08 | Guerin | chrisb7: try dpkg -r |
| 13:05.15 | terr2 | So please to pick on me. |
| 13:05.16 | Guerin | chrisb7: see if it gives you a specific error |
| 13:05.18 | Overand | terr2: make some more users then |
| 13:05.20 | tarzeau | mngrif: i doubt they'll change it |
| 13:05.35 | Guerin | terr2: whyever not? |
| 13:05.36 | chrisb7 | Guerin, same problems :( |
| 13:05.39 | terr2 | Overand I upgraded from woody to sarge and it looks like about 1000 packages got dumped. |
| 13:05.43 | Guerin | chrisb7: identical output? |
| 13:05.48 | chrisb7 | Overand, what infos? |
| 13:06.03 | mngrif | tarzeau: you can always hope. 20 is a bit extreme though unless you really like logging |
| 13:06.15 | chrisb7 | Guerin, http://rafb.net/paste/results/x1wDZE64.html |
| 13:06.22 | chrisb7 | this output |
| 13:06.24 | The_RedBurn | I've rebuild metacity to disable the minimize animation, now it's working but metacity takes ages to load at start up. Any ideas of what's wrong ? |
| 13:06.26 | terr2 | Guerin Right now X will not run as anything other than root and I don't know why. |
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| 13:06.32 | coachz^ | I had an unnofficial deb package for postgresql 8 before i killed my hard drive. Can anyone tell me how to find the site with PG8 deb? |
| 13:06.43 | tarzeau | mngrif: you know how many channels there are? |
| 13:06.49 | terr2 | Any ideas why an upgrade would dump all the packages and not even issue an error message? |
| 13:06.55 | mngrif | tarzeau: several hundred. |
| 13:06.55 | stew | coachz^: pg8 is now in debian afaik |
| 13:06.59 | chrisb7 | Guerin, should be identical, shouldnt? |
| 13:07.00 | tarzeau | mngrif: thousands! |
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| 13:07.08 | Guerin | chrisb7: postrm script is fucked. How good is your shelll scripting tekneek? |
| 13:07.08 | chrisb7 | i dont know the problem :( |
| 13:07.12 | antony | got a problem with .bashrc. when i login, my ~/.bashrc is read straight away. my colleague has a workstation just like mine, but not working for him. |
| 13:07.13 | PerfDave | chrisb7: Google |
| 13:07.16 | Guerin | chrisb7: it shouldn't be, but it is. |
| 13:07.20 | PerfDave | Oops |
| 13:07.21 | tarzeau | mngrif: if not ten thousand. so 20 is peanut relative to it, 30 or 40 would be ok |
| 13:07.22 | jm_ | antony: /msg dpkg bashrc |
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| 13:07.35 | coachz^ | stew, all i see is 7.4.x |
| 13:07.50 | terr2 | Overand the users exist. The problem is with X11 |
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| 13:08.05 | Drizzt321 | I just made a custom kernel using make-kpkg, and after I install it and reboot it keeps coming up with VFS: Cannot open root device "hda2" or unknown-block(0,0) and then the kernel panics. I have the filesystem compiled into the kernel, and I can see during the kernel booting that it finds the hard disk. anyone have any ideas? |
| 13:08.09 | mngrif | tarzeau: personaly i don't beleive in restricting the number. never did on any of the networks i admined |
| 13:08.09 | antony | fine, but my .bash_profile doesn't source .bashrc and it works |
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| 13:08.18 | Overand | terr2: then i suggest IRCing via irssi or something. running x as root is kinda bad |
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| 13:08.46 | jm_ | yes, it's read for interactive shells |
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| 13:08.58 | stew | coachz^: ahh, nm its only in experimental thus far |
| 13:08.58 | terr2 | Overand I switched to anotehr machine. Thank god I have more than one. |
| 13:09.03 | takatumi | Drizzt321: what about your IDE controller? |
| 13:09.06 | jm_ | but not for login shells |
| 13:09.15 | coachz^ | stew, thanks |
| 13:09.18 | fflush_XEN | Drizzt321> do you have IDE controller compiled otherwise you will need initrd |
| 13:09.23 | Drizzt321 | takatumi: |
| 13:09.28 | mngrif | Drizzt321: does the file itself /dev/hda2 exist? |
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| 13:09.48 | antony | jm_: i hear the standard answers, but it runs for me when i login. |
| 13:09.52 | Drizzt321 | takatumi, fflush_XEN: yes, I have the controller compiled in. its a via chipset. I also compiled in a few other ide controllers, should I turn those off? |
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| 13:10.02 | The_RedBurn | Drizzt321, I did have something similar with reiserfs, did you compile every filesystems in the kernel ? |
| 13:10.15 | antony | i have never sourced bashrc from bash_profile, and my aliases still work |
| 13:10.19 | jm_ | antony: you should focus on your friend's setup, yours obviously works OK |
| 13:10.26 | Drizzt321 | The_RedBurn: no, just the ones I was going to use, ext2, ext3, xfs |
| 13:10.33 | stew | Drizzt321: what about the filesystem? did you compile in ext3 or whatever? |
| 13:10.39 | FlycKER | Drizzt321: sonds like u dont put initrd=/initrd.img in your lilo.conf |
| 13:10.46 | antony | jm_: indeed, but i'm now confused as to _why_ it works for me! |
| 13:10.56 | InitMass | anyone using rxvt terminal? i would like to get it transparent and more so if you have the settings for that please reply |
| 13:11.05 | The_RedBurn | Drizzt321, even with reiserfs hard coded, it kernel panicked, so I had to compile ext2 too |
| 13:11.13 | mngrif | antony: from a standard text terminal, does his get sourced? |
| 13:11.17 | Drizzt321 | FlycKER: I've never used an initrd before...I know the stock debian kernels do, but other custom kernels I've built I've gotten to work without |
| 13:11.19 | FlycKER | InitMass: try Eterm... its good |
| 13:11.23 | mwilson | InitMass: man rxvt |
| 13:11.30 | jm_ | antony: this is pretty standard for bash, it's even in default .bash_profile on Debian systems. I use zsh, it has much saner options when it comes to initialization files |
| 13:11.34 | InitMass | FlycKER, it's not that light i think |
| 13:11.39 | InitMass | mwilson, i have read it |
| 13:11.41 | antony | mngrif: you mean just after logging in? no it doesn't |
| 13:11.49 | stew | InitMass: if it can do it i guarantee the manpage tells you how |
| 13:11.59 | mngrif | InitMass: aterm is lightweight and does transparency quite well.. highly recommend it |
| 13:12.00 | SpamHog | Mouse/KVM issue: tried several distros/OSs, some see my mouse across the KVM switch (Gentoo-Systemrescuecd, Debian-Knoppix, Debian-Libranet, all WinXX...) some just don't (Debian-Sarge, Debian-Ubuntu, SUSE...). Same port & protocol. Ideas? |
| 13:12.05 | mngrif | antony: does your's? |
| 13:12.23 | takatumi | Drizzt321: which kernel? |
| 13:12.26 | InitMass | mngrif, it doesn't have support for unicode |
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| 13:12.36 | Drizzt321 | takatumi: 2.6.11.7 with the inotify patch |
| 13:12.38 | antony | jm_: it's commented out in my debian system, hence it's not in my default .bash_profile. |
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| 13:12.54 | FlycKER | Drizzt321: what your last kernel? |
| 13:12.55 | mwilson | InitMass: Neither does rxvt. |
| 13:12.59 | mngrif | SpamHog: /etc/rcS.d/gpm restart ? |
| 13:13.01 | Drizzt321 | takatumi: I was using 2.6.10 before my system somehow turned into one big segfault somehow.... |
| 13:13.08 | InitMass | mwilson, but urxvt does and i'm using it |
| 13:13.09 | antony | mngrif: it's fine for me |
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| 13:13.14 | jm_ | antony: yes, it's commented out by default |
| 13:13.18 | mngrif | antony: there goes that idea. |
| 13:13.21 | InitMass | mwilson, i thought they got the same settings for eg transparency |
| 13:13.39 | antony | jm_: ok, so as it's commented out for me, why does it work? :S |
| 13:13.42 | mwilson | InitMass: Then actually asking questions about urvt, rather than rxvt, might have been a good idea, huh? |
| 13:13.50 | SpamHog | mngrif: right away... |
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| 13:14.22 | mwilson | InitMass: Nah, might get a useful answer that way, and you couldn't have htat. |
| 13:14.24 | mngrif | SpamHog: otherwise it's probably a hardware issue. |
| 13:14.25 | InitMass | mwilson, but they share the same setting i believe |
| 13:14.29 | mwilson | InitMass: So? |
| 13:14.30 | stew | InitMass: did you actually read the manpage? |
| 13:14.35 | Drizzt321 | takatumi, FlycKER: I do have generic ide support built in as well as the via |
| 13:14.36 | takatumi | Drizzt321: and the same .10 .config was used for .11.7 ? |
| 13:14.36 | mwilson | InitMass: How is that at all relevant? |
| 13:14.40 | stew | InitMass: your answer is in there clear as day |
| 13:14.43 | jm_ | antony: because it's not a login shell is one option, you'll have to figure it out - like I said, I don't use bash nor is it my system, but you can trust us on "/msg dpkg basrhc", try it with your frind, it has helped lots of people asking about it in here |
| 13:14.53 | SpamHog | mngrif: distro specific?! |
| 13:14.56 | Drizzt321 | takatumi: no, unfortunately I didn't think to back that up :( bad on my part |
| 13:15.11 | InitMass | stew, i found it now when i did a third look |
| 13:15.12 | mngrif | SpamHog: no, hardware specific |
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| 13:15.22 | antony | jm_: eek - in /etc/skel/.bash_profile, it's not commented out. the plot thickens and my head hurts. |
| 13:15.27 | mwilson | stew: He means when he looked for the first time. |
| 13:15.41 | takatumi | Drizzt321: this is my .11.7 config, works fine without an initrd, maybe diff it with yours. |
| 13:15.41 | SpamHog | mngrif: lots of distros work flawlessly... |
| 13:15.44 | mngrif | antony: save yourself the headache and just source it from .bash_profile... |
| 13:15.44 | mattm | i've got a mysql server error: ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqlda.sock' (2) |
| 13:15.46 | takatumi | Drizzt321: http://gpoppy.org/config-2.6.11.7 |
| 13:15.47 | mattm | .sock exist no where |
| 13:15.49 | stew | how hard is it to search for "transparancy" in a manpage that it takes three tries? |
| 13:15.51 | jm_ | antony: that doesn't matter, that's not read by bash ;) |
| 13:15.52 | mngrif | SpamHog: is the hardware the same? |
| 13:16.00 | mwilson | mattm: Is the server actually running? |
| 13:16.08 | mngrif | stew: apparently, very. |
| 13:16.08 | Guerin | stew: pretty hard, because it's transparency |
| 13:16.10 | greycat | stew: depends on how badly you spell |
| 13:16.13 | Drizzt321 | takatumi: thanks, I'll redo my config based on yours and see if that makes a difference |
| 13:16.14 | mngrif | lol |
| 13:16.17 | antony | jm_: as you well know, when i created the user... doh! :) |
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| 13:16.22 | mattm | mwilson, thats the error i get when trying to start it up |
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| 13:16.46 | takatumi | Drizzt321: sure it's not a bootloader issue? |
| 13:16.47 | antony | i'm gonna tell him to source it, and take pride in my unique, mind-of-it's-own system. |
| 13:16.49 | stew | aparantly its not hard when you don't know how to spell, since i just typed /transp<enter> :) |
| 13:16.52 | jm_ | antony: but you said it's commented out in your profile? |
| 13:17.01 | greycat | !laziness |
| 13:17.01 | dpkg | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 13:17.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:17.06 | mwilson | mattm: Yes, the initscript is trying to tell you that the server is not running. Read your log, find out why, fix it. |
| 13:17.06 | antony | jm_: yep |
| 13:17.09 | darkskiez | in etc/network/interfaces, how can i get debian to bring up an interface without configuring it ? |
| 13:17.14 | mngrif | my check hasn't hit yet. i'm goign back to bed. peace out homies. |
| 13:17.36 | Drizzt321 | takatumi: not that I'm aware of, it loads the kernel just fine and starts it booting. I'm using grub. |
| 13:17.47 | greycat | darkskiez: huh? what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:18.29 | darkskiez | Greycat: I have a series of vlans, added with vconfig in pre-up/down scripts for each vlan, but they dont work if ethX isnt ifconfig ethx up'd first |
| 13:18.29 | SpamHog | mngrif: hardware is given, distros change, results too; also no gpm or like in /etc/rcS.d... what is it? |
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| 13:18.45 | takatumi | Drizzt321: my menu.lst is here, / is on hda5, and it still works without initrd. http://gpoppy.org/menu.lst |
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| 13:19.12 | FieldySnuts | heh badgers |
| 13:19.18 | chrisb7 | Guerin, how can i get a verbose output to see whats going wrong here? |
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| 13:19.40 | darkskiez | Greycat: i tried "auto eth0" on its own and then setting address 0.0.0.0, but it whined at me. |
| 13:19.43 | greycat | SpamHog: /etc/rc2.d |
| 13:19.57 | pixil9 | Can anyone tell me where I can edit the openbox list of debian apps? I see /etc/xdg/openbox but the menu.xml refers to menu "Debian" |
| 13:20.18 | greycat | darkskiez: uh... that question makes my head hurt. I guess you'll have to try playing with "up" or the like. |
| 13:20.28 | Drizzt321 | takatumi: yea, looks pretty much like mine. |
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| 13:20.41 | aardvark | badgers? |
| 13:20.42 | SpamHog | ah! gdm... yes, retstarted 10x or so |
| 13:20.49 | FieldySnuts | aardvarks? |
| 13:20.53 | Guerin | chrisb7: i'd try to run the script, maybe with -x to see it run line by line. it should be in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename/postrm |
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| 13:20.59 | takatumi | Drizzt321: then it must be the .config, keep tweaking. :) |
| 13:21.31 | darkskiez | Greycat: there is no good support for vlans in interfaces which is the primary problem :[ it should auto do vconfig stuff too, like bridges. |
| 13:21.45 | FieldySnuts | auto heh |
| 13:21.52 | greycat | darkskiez: many people dislike interfaces(5) and its weird limitations |
| 13:22.06 | greycat | darkskiez: as a last resort, you could just ignore that file, and write a normal script and put it in /etc/rcS.d |
| 13:22.19 | FieldySnuts | hii |
| 13:22.24 | Phated | :) |
| 13:22.41 | mwilson | pixil9: You don't edit that list anywhere. It's created by the menu system. Read the documentation for the menu package and learn how to customize it. |
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| 13:23.21 | pixil9 | thankyou |
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| 13:23.27 | Caeies[taff] | heya all |
| 13:24.04 | Caeies[taff] | I try to build more than one partition over a RAID system with the new debian_installer, but it seems that it can't |
| 13:24.28 | Caeies[taff] | It just accepts to do one big RAID partition ... |
| 13:24.56 | Caeies[taff] | Any idea on what's happening ? |
| 13:24.57 | d0s4gw | hardware raid or software raid? |
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| 13:25.30 | Caeies[taff] | d03boy, unfortunately software RAID |
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| 13:25.50 | Caeies[taff] | s/ d03boy / d0s4gw / |
| 13:25.58 | d0s4gw | dammit, im gonna have to change my nick |
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| 13:26.04 | Becca | Hello -- installed a new computer on Tuesday, and every night, it seems to be going to sleep and having the inability to wake back up again. It seems to be fine if I leave it alone for shorter periods of time (up to two hours) but while sleeping at night, the system refuses to accept any keys from the keyboard -- it is on, but it isn't responding |
| 13:26.12 | Becca | Does anyone have any ideas what the cause of this may be? |
| 13:26.19 | RichiH | d0s4gw: _good_ idea |
| 13:26.24 | RichiH | very, very good |
| 13:26.30 | stew | d0s4gw: numbers in your nick are annoying anyway |
| 13:26.42 | RichiH | stew: well, dos4gw would make sense |
| 13:26.46 | d0s4gw | its my aim name, someone else already had dos4gw |
| 13:27.15 | Caeies[taff] | Becca buggy APM ? |
| 13:27.16 | directhex|work | Becca, memtest86 |
| 13:27.38 | Blissex | Becca: there are different levels of power saving, like sleep and standby, and probably one of the levels cannot be exited, like bugs in APM or APCI support. |
| 13:28.01 | Blissex | Becca: try disabling the deeper power saving level... |
| 13:28.15 | Caeies[taff] | d0s4gw, any way any idea on how to do it ? |
| 13:28.32 | Caeies[taff] | I try to manually build it in the second screen |
| 13:28.41 | Becca | Blissex, I have looked in my bios and everything was disabled there. |
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| 13:29.05 | Blissex | Becca: you may be running some power saving daemon under Linux. |
| 13:29.08 | Caeies[taff] | but it say "Need newer C library to use more than 4 partitionable md devices, sorry" even if only 1 id sone :/ |
| 13:29.08 | d0s4gw | Caeies[taff]: no, sorry, i've never tried raid on linux myself |
| 13:29.09 | Becca | Ok, I have memtest86 installed, but there isn't a program by this name |
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| 13:29.24 | Becca | Blissex, Yea, I think I once again made the mistake of taking the desktop option under debian... |
| 13:29.25 | Blissex | Becca: to run 'memtest86' you have to boot your PC into it. |
| 13:29.42 | Overand | takatumi: ok, i just browsed gpoppy, and your cow abuse is *great* -- details re: 'pythonizer' ? |
| 13:29.42 | Caeies[taff] | d0s4gw, ok thanks anyway |
| 13:29.55 | takatumi | Overand: heh |
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| 13:29.56 | Becca | ok Blissex, thanks. I'll give that a look at -- the system hasn't been showing any memopry issues and had a diasgnostics run by a comp repair shop tuesday morning |
| 13:29.58 | Blissex | Becca: do a 'ps axf' and look for daemons with names like 'apmd' ot 'acpid' |
| 13:30.02 | Becca | so I doubt the memory is fried |
| 13:30.15 | takatumi | Overand: yeah pythonizer |
| 13:30.21 | Blissex | Becca: I doubt that too. Also, it takes at least a night to run a sw tester. |
| 13:30.28 | Blissex | Becca: I doubt that too. Also, it takes at least a night to run a sw memory tester. |
| 13:30.46 | FieldySnuts | Becca: i'd throw memtest86 at it overnight. pay attention to test 5 when it gets to it (a few hours), that's a rough one |
| 13:30.59 | FieldySnuts | note just jumping to test5 doesn't seem to be as rough (I don't know why) |
| 13:31.02 | Blissex | Becca: it is much more likely that some deep power saving level is entered after more than two hours, and that is buggy. |
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| 13:31.29 | Blissex | Becca: some details here: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/sleep.html |
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| 13:31.38 | Overand | takatumi: what's pythonizer? poly-gen source data monty python style? |
| 13:31.48 | Overand | ah there it is |
| 13:32.07 | Becca | I think I'll give my comp shop a call... Heh. |
| 13:32.13 | Overand | yeah 'pythonizer' != 'pythoniser' |
| 13:32.31 | Blissex | Becca: in the deepest sleep level, the system essentially switches off. It must be restarted bu pressing the power button, or in some PCs there is separate ''sleep'' button. |
| 13:32.32 | WorkerII | !tell terr2 about root |
| 13:32.39 | dos4gw | why not pick up a raid card while you're at it? |
| 13:32.48 | Caeies[taff] | dos4gw, money ? |
| 13:32.55 | WorkerII | ok |
| 13:32.55 | dos4gw | i got one for 40$ |
| 13:33.00 | WorkerII | have a nice weekend |
| 13:33.04 | Caeies[taff] | and putting a raid into a shuttle that's weird |
| 13:33.07 | dos4gw | ahh |
| 13:33.08 | Caeies[taff] | +card |
| 13:33.10 | Blissex | Becca: some interesting details here: http://www.thinkwiki.org/How_to_make_ACPI_work |
| 13:33.10 | dos4gw | good point |
| 13:33.10 | Drizzt321 | takatumi: alright, compiling from clean now :) we'll see. thanks for all the help |
| 13:33.16 | WorkerII | dosgw: Adaptec, and how? |
| 13:33.29 | dos4gw | well its not a very good one |
| 13:33.38 | Blissex | Caeies[taff]: there is at least one _laptop_ that supports 2-disk RAID. That's even weirder. |
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| 13:33.58 | dos4gw | i think its called rocketRaid |
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| 13:34.16 | directhex|work | dos4gw, highpoint. |
| 13:34.20 | dos4gw | thats the one |
| 13:34.27 | Caeies[taff] | Blissex, I'm using SATA-RAID funny ICH6-R chips :/ |
| 13:34.37 | FieldySnuts | lots of "raid" cards today are in fact not 100% hardware raid, watch out for that crap. if you have to use software raid drivers to get it to work, it's not. |
| 13:34.50 | directhex|work | dos4gw, highpoint make closed-source drivers for 2.4 kernels on some distros, and there's a limited open source driver or two in the kernel |
| 13:34.53 | Blissex | dos4gw: there are no RAID cards that cost as little as $40. |
| 13:35.02 | directhex|work | if it didn't cost you £200, it's software raid |
| 13:35.04 | FieldySnuts | yes there are, they're just really shitty |
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| 13:35.18 | Blissex | dos4gw: the cheapest RAID card is the 3ware 7200 and costs about $150 |
| 13:35.20 | Overand | takatumi: thanks a lot. now i have a *really* irritating alias in irssi =] |
| 13:35.29 | dos4gw | weak |
| 13:35.30 | streuner | hm |
| 13:35.31 | directhex|work | as it happens, rocketraid is great under windows, far better than the competition on softraid |
| 13:35.34 | directhex|work | but ass under linux |
| 13:35.43 | dos4gw | well it is running on windows |
| 13:35.52 | multi_io | does anyone use the mplayer plugin? |
| 13:36.00 | dos4gw | 500gigs of mp3's and divx |
| 13:36.09 | pixil9 | i use vlcplayer |
| 13:36.10 | pixil9 | works good. |
| 13:36.11 | brullo | What webdav package is easiest to conf for a sarge box? |
| 13:36.17 | FieldySnuts | i bought an adeptec "raid" card, pci ide. the raid isn't 100% hardware so I don't bother, but i just needed a repalcement for my blown onboard controler. sadly it has a silicon image chipset, strike another formerly trusted manufacturer |
| 13:36.40 | directhex|work | part of why i can't transition my windows server 2003 machine to debian is i have 800gb of storage tied up in highpoint controllers (which were the best i could afford when i ran windows only) |
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| 13:36.43 | Guerin | dos4gw: /nick z3r4wl33t |
| 13:36.46 | FieldySnuts | really getting sick of manufacturers using these lame chipsets that often work only in windows |
| 13:36.53 | kasper | where can i get the correct java vm for sarge to be able to use limewire correctly. I've downloaded and installed the javavm from www.java.com and www.sun.com and no dice. |
| 13:37.00 | multi_io | pixil9: for videos on web pages? |
| 13:37.03 | dos4gw | i dont think so |
| 13:37.05 | kasper | any ideas? or any ideas where the correct debs would be? |
| 13:37.06 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, the _REALLY_ expensive adaptec stuff is real raid, but their low-end stuff is siimage with a broken bios |
| 13:37.24 | directhex|work | kasper, you make debs with java-package |
| 13:37.26 | stew | kasper: /msg dpkg java |
| 13:37.46 | streuner | FieldySnuts: listen to debian-isp ML, they have one tenor, 3ware, 3ware, 3ware - nothing else... |
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| 13:38.07 | Guerin | yeah |
| 13:38.10 | FieldySnuts | not sure why, those suck imo |
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| 13:38.14 | stew | i love my 3ware cards |
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| 13:38.28 | FieldySnuts | i only trust lsi logic these days, but those cards are quite expensive. but they perform for the cost |
| 13:38.42 | stew | they've been rock solid. i'm not too concerned with performance |
| 13:38.47 | dos4gw | is sata raid as good as a decent ide raid card? |
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| 13:39.00 | directhex|work | what kind of question is that? ide has 0 benefits over sata |
| 13:39.06 | FieldySnuts | raid on either ide or sata is just a hack anyway, I wouldn't trust it |
| 13:39.11 | dos4gw | so then why would anyone do ide |
| 13:39.13 | stew | dos4gw: you can buy crap version of either |
| 13:39.15 | FieldySnuts | cost factors |
| 13:39.20 | directhex|work | because they're luddites, usually |
| 13:39.22 | FieldySnuts | scsi is too expensive for many |
| 13:39.48 | zinx | directhex|work: 2 drives on one cable! |
| 13:40.04 | Blissex | stew: 3ware performance is excellent... |
| 13:40.05 | directhex|work | zinx, one big cable with airflow issues, and you can't hotplug? |
| 13:40.08 | FieldySnuts | like here at work we needed a storage system. it's got 10 200GB sata drives. i wish we hadn't, the cost was a lot lower than scsi but my GOD is it slow |
| 13:40.18 | zinx | directhex|work: pfft |
| 13:40.23 | Blissex | stew: it is just often misunderstood by those who just look at seq transfer spped. |
| 13:40.31 | stew | Blissex: not on my older card running raid 5 but its still good enough for me |
| 13:40.47 | FieldySnuts | actually, i kinda wonder if the speed issues are because it's all running off one sata card, a 64-bit card but still 10 drives on one card is rather a lot |
| 13:40.53 | zinx | directhex|work: better than only being able to have two drives because your motherboard manufacturer only put two SATA ports on the motherboard |
| 13:40.55 | Blissex | FieldySnuts: if it is slow it is now well designed. |
| 13:41.06 | Blissex | FieldySnuts: 10 SATA can do as well as SCSI... |
| 13:41.07 | FieldySnuts | Blissex: i didn't design it I just built it :D |
| 13:41.08 | stew | Blissex: my big fileserver here is a 6800 running raid 5, but i'm still able to record 2 ntsc and 2 audio streams while watching ntsc all over nfs |
| 13:41.28 | Blissex | stew: that sound pretty adequate :-) |
| 13:41.30 | kasper | directhex|work: so basicly download the files off the site like normal and use make-kpkg? |
| 13:41.30 | FieldySnuts | Blissex: but my thinking is it should be spread out over 2 controller cards, right now it's stuffed onto a single 64-bit card |
| 13:41.36 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, it's fairly common now to have sata disk arrays attached via scsi |
| 13:41.45 | directhex|work | kasper, make-jpkg, yes |
| 13:41.47 | FieldySnuts | never heard of that one |
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| 13:41.54 | Blissex | FieldySnuts: it should still be pretty good, dependending on the card. |
| 13:42.04 | FieldySnuts | what do you have, a drive cage which accepts the drives, then the cage is a scsi <-> sata bridge? |
| 13:42.05 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, we had 3 or 4 companies offering it in our current cluster procurement |
| 13:42.21 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, basically, yes |
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| 13:42.25 | FieldySnuts | Blissex: it is a windows box too, *shrug*, glad it's not my responsibility |
| 13:42.29 | taddeus | can't get my tv-card PVI951 TF working under Debian, anyone can help me ? |
| 13:42.40 | directhex|work | taddeus, what chip does it use? |
| 13:42.45 | FieldySnuts | directhex|work: that'd be a lot more pleasant than the freaking 10 data cables and 10 power cables running around in a 4U case... |
| 13:42.47 | kasper | directhex|work: theres no make-kpgk or make-jpgk on my system. when i apt-get install its not found |
| 13:42.56 | taddeus | directhex|work: chipset is 951 |
| 13:43.03 | takatumi | Overand: ;) |
| 13:43.09 | streuner | taddeus: is the tv-card supported? |
| 13:43.10 | Guerin | 951 is not a chipset |
| 13:43.17 | sanxiyn | kasper: kernel-package and java-package |
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| 13:43.37 | sanxiyn | !info kernel-package |
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| 13:43.40 | dpkg | kernel-package: (A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages.), section misc, is optional. Version: 8.131 (sid), Packaged size: 348 kB, Installed size: 1844 kB |
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| 13:43.48 | FieldySnuts | ~smite dpkg |
| 13:43.56 | Becca | Sorry about that, I needed to pop into my bios to do some prodding around |
| 13:43.57 | FieldySnuts | apt: hi? |
| 13:43.58 | apt | hello, fieldysnuts |
| 13:44.02 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 13:44.03 | taddeus | i tried modprobe bttv card=42 tuner=1 radio=1, modules are loaded but in dmesg get: i2c_adapter i2c-0: sendbytes: error - bailout. |
| 13:44.13 | misaka | Anyone wanna help me report a bug related to kernel building? |
| 13:44.14 | directhex|work | kasper, you apt-get installed java-package? |
| 13:44.18 | kasper | sanxiyn: ok kernel-package is downloading, but java-package isn't coming up w/ apt-get |
| 13:44.22 | streuner | taddeus: we need the chipset |
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| 13:44.32 | Becca | The service guy blamed my hard drive for not properly waking up -- is there a way linux can do a test on the hdd to see if this is the issue? (I doubt this since I just had it in the shop on Monday.) |
| 13:44.33 | sanxiyn | kasper: Add contrib to your sources.list |
| 13:44.41 | Roolianer23 | whats the best font for the console? |
| 13:44.42 | adughep | does anyone know a odc for linux other then valknut and DCGui ?? |
| 13:44.45 | Becca | And when I booted up before it said FATAL: No ide_detect |
| 13:44.49 | FieldySnuts | welp time to learn how to use bluefish. it's not exactly straightforard to me, and I'm tired of mozilla composer limitations (set page background bugs etc) |
| 13:44.54 | Guerin | Roolianer23: the one you can read easiest |
| 13:44.56 | kasper | sanxiyn: just 'deb contrib' ? |
| 13:45.02 | directhex|work | taddeus, bttv is the OSS audio module for direct audio extraction from some bt848 cards (without using the line-in wire) |
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| 13:45.10 | kasper | sanxiyn: then apt-get update |
| 13:45.12 | sanxiyn | deb ftp://ftp.kr.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib # for example |
| 13:45.17 | kasper | ok |
| 13:45.19 | kasper | thanks |
| 13:45.34 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, it's evil kde rubbish, but quanta is very nice |
| 13:45.45 | Guerin | sanxiyn: ftp/kr/d/o is hosted at kaist, right? |
| 13:45.48 | streuner | taddeus: use 'lspci -v' and paste the line with your tv-card here (only 1 or 2 lines) |
| 13:45.51 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Yes. |
| 13:45.54 | FieldySnuts | directhex|work: i'll check into it. not a kde fan but hey whatever |
| 13:45.54 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, nice enough that i'm not going to get dreamweaver as i had originally planned |
| 13:45.55 | Guerin | eh s#/#.# |
| 13:46.05 | FieldySnuts | bluefish seems a bit too basic already... |
| 13:46.16 | FieldySnuts | or at the least, klunky |
| 13:46.18 | Guerin | sanxiyn: insanely fast... I'm in Kyeryong on 100 megabit |
| 13:46.30 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, it's a text editor with buttons to insert tex, that's about it. you can't even edit existing css you make with bluefish's crappy css editor |
| 13:46.36 | taddeus | streuner: 0000:00:0b.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
| 13:46.37 | adughep | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.46 | FieldySnuts | don't use css but ok |
| 13:47.02 | streuner | taddeus: what kernel do you running actually? |
| 13:47.10 | Becca | What is kacpi in ps aux?? |
| 13:47.17 | taddeus | streuner: 2.6.10-1-386 |
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| 13:47.30 | streuner | Becca: /msg dpkg acpi |
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| 13:47.31 | taddeus | i also tried 2.6.8 |
| 13:47.31 | stranger | hello guys |
| 13:47.39 | Guerin | kacpid caused me a ton of problems during the 2.4 -> 2.6 transition |
| 13:47.51 | directhex|work | hellO, seems drivers/ide/pci/hpt366.c supports some or all of my highpoint raid controllers |
| 13:47.57 | directhex|work | *fakeraid |
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| 13:48.05 | Becca | streuner, ok, its an acpi package then |
| 13:48.15 | streuner | Becca: no |
| 13:48.32 | kasper | sanxiyn: ok got them both. next step? |
| 13:48.35 | streuner | Becca: its a feature to irritate your system (IRQ) :-P |
| 13:48.42 | Becca | Then why are you having me ask apt about acpi? :p |
| 13:48.52 | stranger | I installed debian and I want to add some proghrams to it, how to do that.. I found /etc/apt/sources.list files with some url sould I add to this file and from where to find the urls. I only have main right now |
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| 13:49.09 | streuner | Becca: grep your kernel-source docs with grep acpi * |
| 13:49.13 | adughep | streuner do you know a good odc for linux ? |
| 13:49.30 | Becca | I just need to kill acpi stuff because _something_ is busted |
| 13:49.46 | directhex|work | actually, i feel dirty using any sata driver without sata_ in its name, it makes me fear it's gonna use sodding /dev/hd* instead of sd* |
| 13:49.47 | Becca | and I think its related to the fact my system spouted a FATAL: No Ide_detect when booting up |
| 13:49.54 | streuner | taddeus: 2.4.x kernels have a little txt file in the docs, they throw it out in 2.6.x kernels... |
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| 13:50.16 | sanxiyn | kasper: Next step is to read the manual and do what it says to do what you want to do. |
| 13:50.19 | dos4gw | stanger: google for apt-get |
| 13:50.26 | adughep | streuner do you know a good odc for linux ? |
| 13:50.35 | taddeus | streuner: streuner ok |
| 13:50.45 | sanxiyn | adughep: What is odc? |
| 13:50.50 | ix | odc? |
| 13:51.05 | adughep | dc then a direct connection client |
| 13:51.06 | sanxiyn | Some sort of P2P? |
| 13:51.08 | stew | streuner: apt-setup |
| 13:51.10 | ix | Valknut. |
| 13:51.14 | taddeus | streuner: what do you think abut this error msg: i2c_adapter i2c-0: sendbytes: error - bailout. |
| 13:51.21 | taddeus | tda9885/6/7: i2c i/o error: rc == -14 (should be 4) |
| 13:51.24 | adughep | ohter then valknut |
| 13:51.32 | stew | err |
| 13:51.41 | stew | jeez, i've been doing that too much lately |
| 13:51.44 | taddeus | streuner: any idea ? |
| 13:51.49 | stew | stranger: apt-setup |
| 13:52.02 | sanxiyn | adughep: mldonkey can access Directconnect. |
| 13:52.05 | directhex|work | yes, it seems i can now definitely use my highpoint cards under linux, if this 2.6.11 source is to be believed. question is, is it worth the hastle of moving away from windows server 2003 which essentially does the job required of it? |
| 13:52.14 | sanxiyn | Well, mldonkey is almighty P2P client :-) |
| 13:52.16 | stew | stranger: and read the apt-howto |
| 13:52.22 | Guerin | directhex|work: probably |
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| 13:52.29 | adughep | ix i use valknut with dcgui and lib and doesnt want to sava options files |
| 13:52.31 | dos4gw | direct: if it works, why break it? |
| 13:52.38 | caphuso | directhex|work: switching for no good reason? probably not |
| 13:52.42 | adughep | k sanxiyn |
| 13:52.43 | taddeus | streuner: PVC951 TF should be supported quite well by btttv :\ |
| 13:52.53 | ix | sounds strange, adughep, you sure it has the right permissions? |
| 13:52.53 | directhex|work | bttv is an audio module |
| 13:53.01 | caphuso | directhex|work: no |
| 13:53.03 | stranger | thanks stew |
| 13:53.07 | taddeus | ah.. |
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| 13:53.10 | zamolxes | directhex|work: not quite |
| 13:53.19 | caphuso | directhex|work: it's for TV tuner cards |
| 13:53.28 | taddeus | bttv not video module ? |
| 13:53.30 | caphuso | those with a bt8x8 chip |
| 13:53.35 | streuner | taddeus: sure, that chips is very common and well supported |
| 13:53.52 | streuner | taddeus: you need to edit modules.conf as well, IIRC |
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| 13:54.09 | elenas | hi all |
| 13:54.15 | stranger | stew, because I only have main now, and I know there is contrib and non-free and maybe more |
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| 13:54.37 | Becca | How would I go about diagnosing my hard drive to see if it is having a problem waking up? I really can't afford to send this stupid computer back to the shop again |
| 13:54.38 | directhex|work | yeah, i'm wrong, confusing btaudio & snd-bt87x & such&such |
| 13:54.38 | stew | stranger: apt-setup ; man sources.list |
| 13:54.39 | taddeus | streuner: i tried manually unload bttv - tuner, then modprobe bttv card=42 tuner=1 and tried many tuners |
| 13:54.51 | directhex|work | either way, this is sounding pretty complex when my bt848 card just worked |
| 13:55.30 | taddeus | also tried whitout radio= option |
| 13:55.48 | taddeus | won'r work.. sigh ! |
| 13:55.50 | elenas | the question of the day is: i want to set the value of an environement variable ok ? i thought it was toto=5 ; export toto; but when i do that the variable toto is set only in the terminal i have used, not in the others ... is it normal ? |
| 13:55.55 | dos4gw | anyone know how to set up a sarge/winxp dual boot? i have sarge installed now, and 100gb unpartitioned on the drive |
| 13:55.55 | streuner | taddeus: do you have the 2.4.x kernel-source? |
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| 13:56.02 | taddeus | streuner: sure |
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| 13:56.22 | directhex|work | dos4gw, you install windows first, unless you want awkwardness |
| 13:56.22 | streuner | taddeus: ok, just take a look in /documentation/*.txt |
| 13:56.32 | dos4gw | thats what i was afraid of |
| 13:56.40 | taddeus | streuner: ok tnx |
| 13:56.41 | CyberShadow | When I try to compile the 2.6 kernel, I get a lot of "depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in ..." messages. Is this normal? |
| 13:56.44 | caphuso | streuner: if he's using a 2.6 kernel, why should he read the 2.4 docs? |
| 13:56.59 | dos4gw | i have debian installed now, and i dont want to re-install it |
| 13:57.18 | directhex|work | dos4gw, then install windows, and have some kind of bootable linux cd handy to restor grub |
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| 13:57.20 | dos4gw | how bad is this 'awkwardness' anyway |
| 13:57.26 | streuner | caphuso: because i didn't find that file anymore, IIRC |
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| 13:57.32 | dos4gw | i have knoppix |
| 13:57.38 | FieldySnuts | ~blame Food For Oil |
| 13:57.40 | apt | ACTION blames Food For Oil for all the evil in the world |
| 13:57.40 | caphuso | streuner: Documentation/video4linux/bttv/* |
| 13:57.43 | directhex|work | dos4gw, ntldr overwrites grub. you need to reinstall grub, and add an option to menu.lst to boot windows |
| 13:57.44 | dos4gw | can you restore grub with that? |
| 13:57.49 | stranger | someone gave me a link to the marillat packages, any other good ones |
| 13:57.50 | caphuso | streuner: same place in both 2.4 and 2.6 |
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| 13:58.06 | valdyn | stranger: for what |
| 13:58.16 | stew | stranger: good for what? what are you trying to install? |
| 13:58.18 | jonz | anyone know why ":set nocindent" is ignored in my .exrc file when using vi? i've tried putting it in vimrc too and the dumb editor won't stop indenting my c code unless i type it in manually |
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| 13:58.52 | valdyn | jonz: skip the : , at least in vimrc |
| 13:58.53 | adughep | dos4gw try to boot from your debian install cd to restore it |
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| 13:59.00 | adughep | is safer |
| 13:59.01 | jonz | yeh i do |
| 13:59.07 | dos4gw | that wont mess up my debian install? |
| 13:59.17 | dos4gw | i'd much rather risk losing windows than debian |
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| 13:59.26 | jonz | if i type in "wlfkjwelfkwef" it will tell me invalid command on startup so i know it's being processed |
| 13:59.29 | jonz | it just doesn't stick |
| 13:59.32 | jonz | and is very annoying |
| 13:59.32 | dos4gw | i just need windows to do some vs.net stuff |
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| 13:59.51 | streuner | caphuso: ok, my bad. |
| 14:00.04 | dos4gw | que? |
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| 14:00.14 | dos4gw | is .net no good here? |
| 14:00.23 | taddeus | caphuso: what should i do ? :\ |
| 14:00.32 | stranger | valdyn, stew I want to see what is available in debian.. this is the first time I install it and since the installation is easy, I want to experienmnt with the programs |
| 14:00.35 | valdyn | jonz: maybe that file already is indented |
| 14:00.38 | streuner | taddeus: READ WHAT I TOLD YOU |
| 14:00.45 | taddeus | streuner: ok |
| 14:00.48 | adughep | no you edit grub if you need and then restore the grup |
| 14:00.50 | jonz | valdyn no i mean it adds new indents when i create new lines |
| 14:00.52 | directhex|work | dos4gw, you could use mono, assuming you don't want windows system.forms |
| 14:01.06 | adughep | grub |
| 14:01.10 | Drizzt321 | takatumi: dude, whatever that bit of difference was, working now! :) |
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| 14:01.17 | dos4gw | isnt that more or less alpha code? |
| 14:01.24 | valdyn | stranger: theres hardly any need for extra repositories, except for legally restricted things like those found in marillat. 15000 packages is plenty ) |
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| 14:01.37 | sceig | while configuring x-window-system-core package, which letters do i have to enter in order to select a SWISS-French Keyboard layout ? |
| 14:01.39 | sanxiyn | Well, Mono is certainly nothing alpha. |
| 14:01.56 | dos4gw | hmm, so mono finally works? |
| 14:01.59 | dos4gw | i'll check that out |
| 14:02.01 | sanxiyn | dos4gw: Huh? |
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| 14:02.07 | sanxiyn | dos4gw: It worked for a long time. |
| 14:02.07 | ircdevil | anyone have a script that dumps a mysql database to a csv file and emails it somewhere? |
| 14:02.08 | stew | stranger: you can browse available pacakges at http://packages.debian.org there are 16 thousand pacakges there, should keep you busy without having to use other repositories |
| 14:02.11 | fritz | irc.tiscali.it |
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| 14:02.35 | directhex|work | the documentation on the other hand is pretty alpha |
| 14:02.51 | sanxiyn | Well, we can use MS documentation :-) |
| 14:02.55 | sceig | firt FR, then in the window "keyboard variant" CH ? or directly sf (i remember that sf is for swiss french, but not sure) |
| 14:03.23 | CyberShadow | When I try to compile 2.6.8, I get a LOT of "depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in ..." messages. Is this normal? |
| 14:03.27 | InitMass | i guess nano doesn't fully support utf8. does pico? |
| 14:03.49 | streuner | CyberShadow: why do you think you need an custom kernel? |
| 14:03.53 | valdyn | !why is mono not in testing |
| 14:03.55 | dpkg | mono is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mono |
| 14:04.18 | sanxiyn | valdyn: Because mono were removed by request of maintainers, if I recall correctly. |
| 14:04.26 | sanxiyn | valdyn: To do new 1.1.x packaging. |
| 14:04.28 | CyberShadow | streuner: why shouldn't I? |
| 14:04.38 | greycat | InitMass: how did you determine this? does *anything* support utf-8 in your current locale on your current terminal? |
| 14:04.41 | CyberShadow | just tell me what's wrong |
| 14:04.41 | streuner | CyberShadow: why should you? |
| 14:04.46 | valdyn | sanxiyn: yea , i read about it a while ago |
| 14:04.59 | CyberShadow | because I want a custom kernel. :P |
| 14:05.06 | jonz | methinks it's broken |
| 14:05.10 | InitMass | greycat, yes, xterm and urxvt do |
| 14:05.15 | petemc | CyberShadow: did you run make dep |
| 14:05.22 | greycat | !info urxvt |
| 14:05.23 | sanxiyn | I think Miguel de Icaza mailed pkg-mono list about his concerns |
| 14:05.28 | greycat | hrm. |
| 14:05.51 | Becca | Ahhh! Yay! I'm finding people with the same problem on the same motherboard! Score. |
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| 14:06.02 | iSubodh | hi ! how to make apt-get install a package if we find some library (.so) missing |
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| 14:06.26 | Supaplex | search for the lib, and install the proper package |
| 14:06.27 | CyberShadow | petemc: "*** Warning: make dep is unnecessary now." but anyway that isn't mentioned in http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html (which I followed) |
| 14:06.32 | valdyn | iSubodh: who is "we"? since when does debian package management search for .so files |
| 14:06.33 | InitMass | greycat, i saw you checked urxvt u |
| 14:06.34 | InitMass | p |
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| 14:07.02 | stew | iSubodh: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:07.08 | greycat | apparently it's in the "rxvt-unicode" package, because obviously naming the package and the program the same thing would be too *simple*. |
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| 14:07.42 | directhex|work | i hate that. especially with "btdownloadcurses.bittornado" as executable for the "bittornado" package |
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| 14:07.50 | directhex|work | and java-package as a prime culprit |
| 14:07.55 | FlycKER | try apt-file search <...> |
| 14:07.57 | greycat | directhex|work: I think btdownloadcurses is supposed to symlink to it... |
| 14:07.57 | InitMass | greycat, hehe |
| 14:08.08 | petemc | CyberShadow: ahh, yeah, make dep is for 2.4. i guess you're seeing now why people say just to use prepackaged kernels :) |
| 14:08.09 | iSubodh | one of my programs says that libgtkhtml-2.so.0 is missing so i want to find the package name that provides it |
| 14:08.12 | sanxiyn | Sometimes even apt-file doesn't work because of binary rename. |
| 14:08.13 | directhex|work | greycat, how about a "bittornado" symlink? |
| 14:08.13 | sanxiyn | -_- |
| 14:08.18 | zinx | greycat: the package is broken, i think |
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| 14:08.29 | CyberShadow | :( |
| 14:08.30 | directhex|work | !find libgtkhtml-2.so.0 |
| 14:08.30 | Becca | greycat, I don't suppose you could tell me an easy way to solve an power saving issue that doesn't involve throwing the computer out a window, could you? |
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| 14:08.37 | jethro | petemc: or use make-kpkg :) |
| 14:08.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libgtkhtml-2.so.0' (1): (/usr/lib/{libgtkhtml-2.so.0|libgtkhtml-2.so.0.0.0}) in libs/libgtkhtml2-0. |
| 14:08.51 | greycat | Becca: "turn it off"? |
| 14:09.02 | Becca | ... "how"? |
| 14:09.05 | FlycKER | !find koules |
| 14:09.08 | dpkg | koules: (Space action game for X11), section games, is optional. Version: 1.4-11 (sid), Packaged size: 230 kB, Installed size: 540 kB |
| 14:09.08 | greycat | by pressing the power button. |
| 14:09.15 | Becca | Ha ha ha. |
| 14:09.17 | jethro | Becca: or by pulling the plug |
| 14:09.18 | sanxiyn | That means apt-get install libgtkhtml2-0 (or libgtkhtml2-dev) I think. |
| 14:09.23 | Becca | That doesn't solve the problem. |
| 14:09.23 | greycat | or in the case of older models, by flipping the power switch. |
| 14:09.26 | InitMass | greycat, any idéa about nano and pico? |
| 14:09.33 | greycat | (Remember when they had *real switches*? Yeah, I know most of you do.) |
| 14:09.33 | valdyn | Becca: in a notebook? |
| 14:09.38 | Becca | No, desktop machine |
| 14:09.39 | iSubodh | but i suppose the libgtkhtml is not on my system so i want the pacakage form network |
| 14:09.51 | Becca | I leave it for a couple of hours, and it becomes non-responsive |
| 14:10.13 | greycat | Becca: so ... it's a problem that's *caused by* that power-management crap? If that's the case, just disable it. |
| 14:10.16 | Becca | I have an AMD Sempron 2400+ on a K7s41gx ASROCK motherboard -- Maxtor 80.0 liquid 7200 hdd |
| 14:10.30 | streuner | haha |
| 14:10.32 | Becca | It seems like the hdd becomes dead in the water when it shuts off. |
| 14:10.34 | directhex|work | Becca, have you run memtest86 for an extended priod yet like i told you to? |
| 14:10.40 | streuner | Becca: i have the same crap... |
| 14:10.48 | Becca | directhex|work, I don't _have_ ten hours to run the bloody program right now. |
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| 14:11.31 | directhex|work | Becca, then wait until you DO. i had system freeze issues on my office pc, memtest86 showed errors, a bios update fixed it. if you didn't explicitly install any power saving features, you don't have any power saving features |
| 14:11.56 | Becca | I installed debian with the stupid desktop setting -- I don't know what it installed. |
| 14:12.02 | Becca | NAd it only does it when it is inactive. |
| 14:12.21 | Becca | IE, power management issues on sleep. I don't see how this would be memory. |
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| 14:12.47 | directhex|work | okay, you're the expert |
| 14:12.51 | streuner | Becca: what chipset? |
| 14:12.58 | valdyn | Becca: why do you let your system sleep? |
| 14:13.37 | sml | directhex|work: hah |
| 14:13.39 | Becca | valdyn, if I knew how to make certain it _wasn't_ sleeping or shutting programs down, I wouldn't _let_ it. |
| 14:13.47 | ircdevil | hrm? mysqldump doesnt do ascii tables? |
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| 14:13.56 | valdyn | Becca: debian does _not_ make it sleep by default |
| 14:14.04 | directhex|work | or by installing the desktop package |
| 14:14.05 | jethro | Becca: what's the DD again? |
| 14:14.07 | Becca | directhex|work, And anyway, I installed bloody memtest86 and it wasn't in my options when I bootest up |
| 14:14.08 | valdyn | Becca: if your hd still powers down thats your bios fault |
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| 14:14.17 | dos000 | is it possible (using deboostrap) to have a full debian woody env from whithin my unstable and kernel 2.6.10 environement ? i remember hearing that woody has issues with kernel 2.6 |
| 14:14.26 | streuner | Becca: /j #flood and show us the 'lspci -v' |
| 14:14.26 | greycat | dos000: why bother? |
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| 14:14.47 | directhex|work | dos000, yes, but there's little point |
| 14:14.50 | Qiang-wek | under gnome, how do i switch between workspaces with key-combinations ? clicking is getting annonying :) |
| 14:14.55 | valdyn | !tell dos000 about bunk 2.6 |
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| 14:15.11 | dos000 | greycat, i have to create some debs for server machines. and i would like to do it from my desktop |
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| 14:15.20 | zinx | heh, wxpython2.4/2.5.3 don't play nice together |
| 14:15.21 | directhex|work | why is testing such a well-kpet secret? seems people only know about unstable & woody |
| 14:15.22 | FieldySnuts | Qiang-wek: ctl-alt right arrow or left arrow |
| 14:15.55 | sanxiyn | zinx: They don't. Too bad... |
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| 14:16.09 | sgbirch | How do you reassign an ITP in wnpp to another person? I filed an ITP some time back but then another person took over the package (257870). He has commented in the ITP but Id like him to "own" the ITP. |
| 14:16.10 | greycat | dos000: I doubt a simple woody chroot would care much about the kernel version, since you'd not be attempting to load any modules... |
| 14:16.37 | directhex|work | greycat, i think he jyst wants the debootstrap syntax |
| 14:16.50 | Qiang-wek | FieldySnuts, that requires 3 fingers. can i change the key-combi to something like CTRL-1 switch to #1 workspace ? |
| 14:16.58 | FieldySnuts | Qiang-wek: no idea :) |
| 14:17.02 | zinx | sanxiyn: can't say i care, but if you do, you might want to report it ;) |
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| 14:17.49 | dos000 | directhex|work, actually i digged http://gnustep.ethz.ch/pub/debian-backports/utils/Backport-HOWTO.html but i was not sure if it was "safe" |
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| 14:18.11 | streuner | Becca: that's the same system what i have... |
| 14:18.18 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.23 | Becca | *L* Right down to the dime, eh? |
| 14:18.42 | streuner | Becca: if you are using an official kernel, just use the default BIOS entries |
| 14:19.01 | Qiang-wek | valdyn, oh, i will try it |
| 14:19.19 | Becca | Ok, it was having a rough time with the default settings, I believe, but I'll restore them and give it a go again when I reboot |
| 14:19.33 | Becca | What kernel are you on? |
| 14:19.46 | streuner | Linux knusper 2.6.9-1-k7 #1 Thu Nov 25 03:20:07 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:20.02 | sanxiyn | zinx: Well, wxpython2.5.3 conflicts with other wxpythons. |
| 14:20.03 | streuner | an official debian kernel - nothing wrong with them |
| 14:20.32 | directhex|work | dos000, just make a chroot, it's perfect for your needs |
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| 14:21.00 | sml | i have a question. when some fucking retard keeps sending me fucking html email is there a way for me to pipe the body into links and dump the output back to my mail program. i use mutt. how about "| links --dump" or something? |
| 14:21.07 | dos000 | directhex|work, you mean using deboostrap ? |
| 14:21.30 | Becca | Hmm. I believe I'm on 2.6.8 |
| 14:21.41 | greycat | Oh lovely. rxvt-unicode uses something called "mbrtowc()" which the sarge man page says is UNIX98, *but*... HP-UX 10.20 ain't got it, and the ./configure didn't check for it. |
| 14:21.44 | sml | the problem with that is that i "think" after i hit return after the piped command i will be left with my original buffer. |
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| 14:21.54 | Becca | Do you get a FATAL: can't modprobe ide_detect on bootup? |
| 14:21.55 | sml | thus achieving nada. |
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| 14:22.00 | petemc | sml: need to edit ~/.mailcap |
| 14:22.06 | Becca | I've seen that flag several times so far when booting up |
| 14:22.36 | streuner | Becca: nope |
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| 14:23.17 | valdyn | Becca: that error is not a problem, that module doesnt exist in 2.6.x kernels, only in 2.4.x |
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| 14:23.28 | Becca | valdyn, Ahhh, ok. |
| 14:23.33 | directhex|work | dos000, yes |
| 14:23.44 | Becca | So why would it try to modprobe it? Doh, I'm not going to ask |
| 14:23.48 | Becca | I wont understand anyway :) |
| 14:23.57 | valdyn | Becca: edit /etc/modules |
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| 14:24.00 | sgbirch | sml: procmail could do this for you |
| 14:24.05 | cbr | how can i set if the system clock is UTC or Local? |
| 14:24.09 | cbr | dpkg-reconf what? |
| 14:24.20 | greycat | cbr: cat /etc/default/rcS |
| 14:24.25 | streuner | Becca: you are running 2.4.x kernel and discover, surely discover made the changes... |
| 14:24.42 | cbr | ah thanks greycat |
| 14:24.44 | sml | petemc: ahhhhhh of course |
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| 14:24.49 | sml | petemc: yes... yes... very good :) |
| 14:25.16 | Becca | streuner, actually, no I'm not running a 2.4 kernel -- the installer had options for both 2.4 and 2.6 and I selected 2.6.8 |
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| 14:25.43 | Becca | Or it should be -- if it didn't, I'm going to beat the cd within an inch of its life |
| 14:25.43 | streuner | Becca: yeah, and you installed the system via 2.4.x kernel? |
| 14:26.01 | greycat | Becca: uname -r |
| 14:26.36 | Becca | 2.6.8-7-386 |
| 14:26.53 | Becca | And it was installed as that, the installer gavve me the option for either kernel and thats what I selected |
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| 14:27.03 | greycat | dash seven. Sheesh. |
| 14:27.04 | drac | 7? |
| 14:27.09 | Becca | Err 1 |
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| 14:27.20 | Becca | I was using my num pad and pounding quick *L* |
| 14:27.27 | [Elad] | hello everyone |
| 14:27.30 | sml | petemc: hmmmmmmm I already have text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump -force_html '%s'; copiousoutput; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html, why doesn't it work ? |
| 14:28.03 | [Elad] | someone know how to use with nvtv for tv out? |
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| 14:28.06 | sml | perhaps the content type in their emails is borked. |
| 14:28.25 | sml | petemc: nope... : Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed |
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| 14:28.39 | petemc | sml: try "text/html; /usr/bin/links '%s'; needsterminal; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html" as well |
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| 14:29.05 | sml | petemc: ok thanks |
| 14:29.16 | tarzeau | sml: tried links2 -g now? |
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| 14:30.13 | Becca | Ugh, would apt-pinning show you only what has the highest priority or the entire pool that you can select from? |
| 14:30.15 | Turjakas` | does the -686 version of 2.6-kernels work on normal pentium (1) mmx processors ? |
| 14:30.21 | Becca | when you do an apt-cache search? |
| 14:30.29 | linuxfreck | Turjakas`: probably not |
| 14:30.30 | Turjakas` | as there is no 586tsc-version available.. |
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| 14:30.45 | sml | tarzeau: yes i did. it blew my socks off! |
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| 14:30.58 | Turjakas` | brh :( |
| 14:30.59 | sml | petemc: that works! |
| 14:31.18 | streuner | Becca: usually there is no need for pinning |
| 14:31.33 | Becca | I have some programs in unstable I like |
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| 14:31.44 | Becca | so, I use pinning |
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| 14:31.54 | Turjakas` | so the only option with pentium 1 is to compile the kernel? |
| 14:31.59 | sml | petemc: one question however... if i want to reply to the content displayed by the output of links how do i do it. since afterwards I hit enter to exit links and im then left with all the horrible html. |
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| 14:32.18 | streuner | Becca: what apps are these? |
| 14:32.21 | raf256 | what are X clients for SCP protocol |
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| 14:32.30 | raf256 | besides broken gFtp and Krusader? |
| 14:32.46 | petemc | sml: ermm, mutt handles that for me - it just uses lynx to view the mail - hitting r or g or whatever works as normal |
| 14:32.47 | sml | petemc: i guess I could write the buffer to a file then use :r!, from vim once im back in mutt (since i use vim as my editor) but thats not very clean. i could even write a macro to make that easier html-reply or something .. |
| 14:33.02 | sml | petemc: for me if I hit "r" I get all the horrible html :( |
| 14:33.04 | Becca | gaim, OO.o if I want it is only new enough in unstable, things like that. |
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| 14:33.13 | tarzeau | sml: that means it was fantastic? |
| 14:33.20 | Becca | gaim had errors in testing that were not present in unstable at the time, so... |
| 14:33.21 | sml | tarzeau: better than sex. |
| 14:33.22 | Becca | *shrug* |
| 14:33.29 | FieldySnuts | @lart #gaim |
| 14:33.32 | Becca | Does it _really_ matter? |
| 14:33.49 | valdyn | !info openoffice.org sarge |
| 14:33.52 | valdyn | !info openoffice.org sid |
| 14:33.57 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (high-quality office productivity suite), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.3-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 6713 kB, Installed size: 29164 kB |
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| 14:34.05 | sml | petemc: I guess your replies work when people send *both* html and plain-text ? or not? |
| 14:34.30 | petemc | sml: never looked that closely into it, not many people i converse with use html mail |
| 14:34.47 | petemc | thank fuck |
| 14:34.49 | joenp | GDM *insists* on using Gnome. If I try an XFCE 4.2 or Openbox session, I get Gnome anyway. ~/.xinitrc has only one line: "openbox". I have even removed /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop. What can I do to get away from Gnome? |
| 14:35.04 | Becca | So, I pinned to get the news apt versions if I wanted them. Right now, I use a version of OO.o that hasn't even made unstable yet. Heh |
| 14:35.28 | valdyn | joenp: why dont you select openbox from gdm's gui? |
| 14:35.42 | sml | petemc: well unfortunately some people send me html that so far i've been using stupid sed scripts to fix for me.. plus excessive use of {gq} to fix the fucking width. its bad enough getting html without it having a col width of 2x10^4 |
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| 14:37.05 | joenp | valdyn: As I stated before (albeit implicitly), I've already tried that. |
| 14:37.07 | sml | petemc: I dunno. It reminds me of when I was on the gentoo mailing list, I've never seen so many badly formated emails... |
| 14:37.08 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (high-quality office productivity suite), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.3-9 (sid), Packaged size: 6712 kB, Installed size: 28944 kB |
| 14:37.10 | valdyn | joenp: and btw, if you select "gnome" in gdm, then it will load gnome naturally, not your default xsession, which is also selectable |
| 14:37.39 | wkk1k1k0 | guys which directory in the CD rom do i put the packages i downloaded from debian.org |
| 14:37.40 | sml | petemc: top posting pisses me off too. |
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| 14:38.04 | valdyn | joenp: it works, unless you fucked with gdms "internals", maybe purge and reinstall |
| 14:38.06 | sml | I blame it all on Outlook. |
| 14:38.20 | FieldySnuts | i was actually told to stop bottom posting here at work. wankers. |
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| 14:38.23 | sml | Is it bad to have curry three nights in a row ? |
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| 14:38.33 | sml | FieldySnuts: I'd resign and tell them to get a fucking clue. |
| 14:38.37 | sceig | where can i find driver for Intel 82865G Integrated graphic device ? |
| 14:38.38 | Aronofsky | when i try to disable selinux ( selinux=0 in grub ) i got an error at boot time : unable to open an initial console , anyone got an idea ? |
| 14:38.40 | dam_ned | hello, does anyone know where I can find old versions of packages? |
| 14:38.46 | dam_ned | I am looking for apache2 2.0.53-4 |
| 14:38.50 | dam_ned | source :) |
| 14:38.55 | FieldySnuts | sml: working on a replacement for that and other reasons |
| 14:38.59 | sanxiyn | dam_ned: snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:39.05 | dam_ned | aha thx sanxiyn |
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| 14:39.15 | sml | FieldySnuts: OK top post but do what all *good* top posters do. Quote the whole fucking thing! |
| 14:39.29 | greycat | dam_ned: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 14:39.54 | joenp | valdyn: I turned off "login one user" and now it works like a charm :) |
| 14:40.19 | joenp | valdyn: No, wait. If I try XFCE, I still get Gnome. That may be XFCE's fault, though. |
| 14:40.21 | FieldySnuts | sml: oh i do. no snipping here anymore |
| 14:40.28 | coachz^ | Where do i go to search for debian packages on the web please? |
| 14:40.36 | FieldySnuts | sml: I also now use a 12 line sig (was 3 before) |
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| 14:40.46 | sml | FieldySnuts: LMAO. |
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| 14:41.08 | FieldySnuts | i not only list all my contact info (including address) but that of my boss |
| 14:41.23 | dondelelcaro | coachz^: packages.debian.org |
| 14:41.24 | joenp | Where can I find a list of variables to set so I can choose terminal, language, keyboard layout etc. system wide (for my user at least)? |
| 14:41.27 | dondelelcaro | coachz^: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:41.35 | joenp | Should I change that in my shell? |
| 14:41.38 | pole | anyone have any trouble with apache+libapache-mod-php4 besides me? |
| 14:41.46 | dondelelcaro | pole: check the BTS |
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| 14:42.04 | coachz^ | thanks |
| 14:42.04 | pole | dondelelcaro, i have... i dont see any bugs filed |
| 14:42.07 | sml | FieldySnuts: I like the FAQ for what is it.. news.newusers .... there is a klingon bird of prey signature that is an example of a "bad sig". You should use that I find that particular example HILARIOUS. |
| 14:42.17 | dondelelcaro | pole: then no, no one else is having any trouble with it... |
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| 14:42.40 | pole | WTF am i supposed to do when the packges are acting weird |
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| 14:42.51 | eidolon | GNAR. have folks had problems with the rc3 installer on SATA drives? Or just problems period? mke2fs (mke3fs?) is weding halfway through the filesystem create. (90%)... 'Creating ext3 file system for /home in partition #7 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda)... and just stops there. |
| 14:42.57 | FarrisG | I've got about 300+GB (and growing) of Engineering data I need to backup incrementally, thoroughly, and offsite. Have any strategies, equipment, or schedule you recommend? |
| 14:43.04 | dondelelcaro | pole: actually explaining what is going on might be a good place to start |
| 14:43.07 | pole | i dont see any error messages, yet it spits out plain .php files intead of parsing them |
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| 14:43.25 | eidolon | pole. you don't have the addhandler in for .php in your config. |
| 14:43.33 | pole | i have tried both libapache-mod-php4 and libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 14:43.36 | pole | eidolon, yes i do |
| 14:43.38 | eidolon | you probably have an overridden httpd.conf file. |
| 14:43.44 | dondelelcaro | pole: you either 1) Haven't loaded the php module 2) don't have an appropriate AddType for php in your config 3) have your mime.types screwed. |
| 14:43.47 | sml | FieldySnuts: then you have all the lotus notes uses that send you .pcx files when you ask for them to write down an error. quite why people send me print screens of error messages when they find a bug in one of my products is beyond me. |
| 14:44.09 | eidolon | sml: at least they're sending you information :) |
| 14:44.17 | pole | dondelelcaro, eidolon ; yes, i have the AddType |
| 14:44.24 | sml | eidolon: Well if they want it fixed they have no choice. |
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| 14:44.50 | hidiho | hmm on a top, how is hte load average calculated? |
| 14:44.58 | hidiho | s/hte/the/ |
| 14:44.58 | sml | eidolon: and I do usually fix things within an hour depending on wether I'm dealing with data corruption and need a dump of their database. |
| 14:44.59 | eidolon | pole: the behabviour you're exhibiting is that the apache server doesn't know that it's supposed to parse an deliver that file type as a PHP file. dond already answered it - it's one of those things. |
| 14:45.07 | greycat | hidiho: same way uptime does. |
| 14:45.14 | hidiho | hmm which is how? |
| 14:45.36 | greycat | average of the number of runnable processes over the 3 specified time intervals |
| 14:45.38 | pole | eidolon, i have it configured!!! i have php4.conf and php4.load linked in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 14:45.58 | FieldySnuts | ~lart pole |
| 14:46.00 | eidolon | well then somethings' wrong. have you ever debugged an apache install before? |
| 14:46.04 | hidiho | hmm |
| 14:46.12 | FieldySnuts | you could stop by #apache , i suppose |
| 14:46.18 | dondelelcaro | pole: which of apache or apache2 are you actually using? libapache-mod-php4 is for apache. libapache2-mod-php4 is for apache2. |
| 14:46.25 | eidolon | might want to try #apache... the gist is you need to probably shutdown and restart apache to make sure the proper modules are loaded, etc etc. |
| 14:46.42 | eidolon | it looks like he's using apache2. |
| 14:46.44 | sml | eidolon: a /etc/init.d/apache reload is usually sufficient. |
| 14:46.50 | antony | i have a serial printer to setup via cups. |
| 14:46.51 | cbr | how do i install things that are experimental? |
| 14:46.57 | antony | problem is that even though the serial backend is present, there is no serial option in the web menu or lpinfo -v. any ideas? |
| 14:47.03 | dondelelcaro | cbr: in general, if you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 14:47.03 | sml | cbr: add unstable to your apt sources. |
| 14:47.11 | eidolon | sml: cept it doesn't dump the existing modules - i'm thinking of whatever the command line is on the httpd binary that says "show me all the bound modules" |
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| 14:47.30 | dondelelcaro | !experimental |
| 14:47.31 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 14:47.49 | pole | dondelelcaro, yes, i have libapache2-mod-php4 for apache2 |
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| 14:48.06 | cbr | OOo 1.1.4 in experimental is kinda funny though.. it's been out for so long |
| 14:48.12 | cbr | should be in unstable atleast |
| 14:48.35 | dondelelcaro | cbr: then talk to the maintainers. They almost always have specific reasons for why the software is in experimental |
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| 14:48.52 | FieldySnuts | maintaining that must be a pure nightmare |
| 14:48.58 | cbr | 1.1.4-1 was uploaded today. To not block 1.1.3 transition into testing this again went tp experimental first. |
| 14:49.05 | FieldySnuts | worse than even handholding fedora users. |
| 14:49.06 | cbr | it's some stupid sarge thing or smth |
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| 14:49.21 | greycat | damn, I hate those smths. |
| 14:49.24 | cbr | so that they delay ok packages cause some versioning system |
| 14:49.24 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 14:49.32 | FieldySnuts | ~dict smth |
| 14:49.43 | sml | cbr: beware that the dependencies change a lot and break too on sid. |
| 14:49.43 | dondelelcaro | cbr: no, they're delaying it because they don't think it's suitable for release in sarge, most likely. |
| 14:50.11 | dondelelcaro | cbr: if you want to test it, go right ahead. The requisite documentation is apt.sources and apt_preferences |
| 14:50.12 | cbr | dondelelcaro: that's what i meant under stupid sarge thing :p |
| 14:50.19 | sml | I still use woody, although I've played with the new d-i the other day. |
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| 14:51.52 | cbr | but WHY exactly dont they want 1.1.4 in sarge? |
| 14:51.57 | cbr | it's newer and better, isnt it |
| 14:52.19 | sml | cbr: There will be some rc reasoning behind it. You'll be able to find the exact reason on debian.org. |
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| 14:52.27 | cbr | and why not keep it in unstable then.. and not to put it into testing |
| 14:52.54 | directhex|work | because unstable is only there to help testing |
| 14:53.05 | directhex|work | which is why unstable uses xfree not xorg |
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| 14:53.19 | FieldySnuts | ask the fucking maintainer, we don't know |
| 14:53.29 | greg_work | hwo can I setup dhcp so it doesn't modify /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 14:54.04 | FieldySnuts | man dhcpcd and find the option for that, and have it run that way |
| 14:54.04 | valdyn | greg_work: on your dialup / dsl link? |
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| 14:54.39 | greg_work | valdyn: cable.. two nic's, I run internal dns |
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| 14:55.08 | dippo | are you talking about dhclient or dhcpd? |
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| 14:55.21 | greg_work | dhclient |
| 14:55.38 | dippo | probably the best way is to prepend a DNS server in /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 14:55.46 | dippo | see man dhclient.conf |
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| 14:56.18 | greg_work | looking, just don't see anything about it |
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| 14:56.47 | dippo | search for "prepend" |
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| 14:57.02 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:57.10 | greg_work | i have a domain in here, and i'd prefer that it doesnt use my ISPs dns servers at all, as my internal network won't resolve properly (ie, "system.domain.com" resolves in here to 10.x.x.x whereas on the internet, its the public IP) |
| 14:57.34 | greycat | greg_work: why not fix your internal DHCP server? |
| 14:58.07 | greg_work | greycat: because i'm getting a dhcp address from my isp |
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| 14:58.25 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 14:58.26 | dippo | if you prepend your own dns server it will use that first and resolve internal hosts just fine |
| 14:58.27 | nomed^ | hi |
| 14:58.38 | dippo | the ISP's nameservers will be there as a fallback |
| 14:58.55 | greg_work | dippo: yeah, but that's just it. i don't need a fallback, theres already 3 of them in here |
| 14:58.56 | nomed^ | how can i use x application using ssh |
| 14:59.02 | valdyn | greg_work: i think all you need is to remove "domain-name-servers" from the request line in dhclient.conf |
| 14:59.08 | greycat | nomed^: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 14:59.14 | nomed^ | ok |
| 14:59.20 | greg_work | valdyn: hm ok.. |
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| 14:59.41 | greg_work | though my dhclient.conf is entirely commented out.. |
| 14:59.59 | greycat | !dict default |
| 15:00.01 | dpkg | Dictionary 'default' (1 of 16): . Default \De*fault"\, n. [OE. defaute, OF. defaute, defalte, fem., F. d['e]faut, masc., LL. defalta, fr. a verb meaning, to be deficient, to want, fail, fr. L. de- + fallere to deceive. See Fault.] 1. A failing or failure; omission of that which ought to be done; neglect to do what duty or law requires; as, this evil has happened through the governor's default.. |
| 15:00.06 | Eclipser | hmm hmm |
| 15:00.17 | dippo | you'll probably want to create a line then that defines what you want to request |
| 15:00.21 | valdyn | greg_work: usually the default options are commented out |
| 15:00.21 | dippo | if only there were a manpage |
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| 15:00.36 | greg_work | guess i could comment out the lines in /etc/dhclient-script .. that'll probably get clobbered by an upgrade though |
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| 15:00.43 | dippo | dude |
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| 15:00.48 | greycat | !sing the greycat song |
| 15:00.50 | dippo | read man dhclient and man dhclient.conf |
| 15:00.53 | Eclipser | should /proc/bus/usb/devices exist? |
| 15:01.10 | dippo | as far as I know |
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| 15:01.28 | nar | Can someone point me to authoritive documentation of sources.list entries for sarge please. Do I use testing, testing/updates, testing-proposed-updates.... ? |
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| 15:01.39 | greycat | nar: run apt-setup |
| 15:01.45 | kuonSama | hello |
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| 15:01.57 | greg_work | actually looking at this, there IS no option to turn it off ... dhclient-script (if that's what it's runing, and i think it is) ALWAYS writes resolv.conf |
| 15:02.08 | kuonSama | I got this cron error : /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail: line 820: /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp: No such file or directory, but I can't find the crontab to remove this |
| 15:02.20 | streuner | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2005-04-15 11:59 /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 15:02.35 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 15:02.38 | Eclipser | I don't have it :< |
| 15:02.43 | Eclipser | obviously I missed something |
| 15:02.59 | Eclipser | I'm trying to get my bluetooth adapter working |
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| 15:03.41 | CodeWarrior_ | hi friends |
| 15:03.51 | greg_work | oh, this should work though .. touch /sbin/resolvconf chmod +x /sbin/resolvconf .. dhclient-script looks for that file, and if it exists, uses it to write resolv.conf |
| 15:03.58 | Forest_Br | hi codeWarrior |
| 15:04.00 | CodeWarrior_ | is there anybody here that uses Debian Testing + Kylix3 + PostgreSQL ? |
| 15:04.04 | Forest_Br | I am brasil |
| 15:04.09 | Forest_Br | i need help |
| 15:04.11 | kuonSama | the cron seems to be send by smmps, but when I su smmps and do crontab -l, I got no crontab |
| 15:04.14 | kuonSama | any idea? |
| 15:04.14 | greycat | !br |
| 15:04.14 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:04.18 | CodeWarrior_ | Forest_Br: me too :-) |
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| 15:04.53 | Forest_Br | i need into in channel hacker |
| 15:05.04 | Forest_Br | you know ? |
| 15:05.21 | valdyn | !confuse Forest_Br |
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| 15:05.28 | dpkg | No, those is my pants today, Forest_Br? breeches of the democracy of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 15:06.03 | Forest_Br | i have un host server,and my host was hacker. |
| 15:06.17 | valdyn | !br |
| 15:06.17 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:06.31 | streuner | Forest_Br: /j #debian-br |
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| 15:06.37 | Forest_Br | i want into in channel hacker. To know as my server was hacker. |
| 15:06.54 | Forest_Br | but the channel hacker is from Brasil. |
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| 15:07.07 | Forest_Br | i never use IRC |
| 15:07.24 | Forest_Br | i am with dificulty |
| 15:07.29 | thingfish | Forest_Br: faca /join #debian-br. |
| 15:07.41 | DwyaneWade | hey, how can i create more desktops in gnome under debian as under kde? |
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| 15:07.50 | Roey | I'm having trouble connecting to a samba share in KDE. I can mount it with CIFS at the command line, but I cannot connect to a resource with KDE's smb://. |
| 15:07.55 | Forest_Br | humm |
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| 15:08.01 | Forest_Br | thanks thingfish |
| 15:08.05 | Forest_Br | in will try |
| 15:08.08 | thingfish | ntdq |
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| 15:08.43 | raf256 | in linux, how can I start program ./foobar so that it will look for shared libraries *.so also in directory ./lib/ ? echo "export LD_PATH=./lib && ./foobar" > start.sh will work? |
| 15:08.48 | DwyaneWade | is it possible to surf between several desktop sunder Debian Gnome? |
| 15:08.59 | greycat | raf256: man ld.so; man ldconfig |
| 15:09.11 | nar | Ok, apt-setup puts in "testing main" and "testing/updates main". What about contrib, non-free, and non-US? Ok to edit in by hand? |
| 15:09.19 | raf256 | greycat: if I had have time to read man this time I would be asking here |
| 15:09.29 | raf256 | wouldnt |
| 15:09.30 | greycat | nar: non-US is basically dead. contrib and non-free must be added by hand if you want them. |
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| 15:10.27 | rrt | is the driver for rt2500 wireless compiled in the 2.6 sarge kernel? |
| 15:10.28 | raf256 | well its LD_LIBRARY_PATH it seems, but can I set it from start.sh script? |
| 15:10.29 | streuner | raf256: are you insane, go away |
| 15:10.34 | greycat | raf256: yes. |
| 15:10.44 | raf256 | streuner: no, Im not. Are You? |
| 15:10.46 | Blissex | greycat: that was a bit excessive... |
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| 15:10.55 | greycat | Blissex: no it wasn't. it was a warning. |
| 15:11.06 | streuner | raf256: sometimes i have doubts :-) |
| 15:11.07 | Shadow98 | is phpbb the best solutions for creating a forum? |
| 15:11.16 | dos4gw | pretty much |
| 15:11.17 | nar | Thanks. (The concept "non-US is basically dead" sounds like an unfortunate political statment :) ) |
| 15:11.20 | dos4gw | its really easy to use |
| 15:11.23 | tarzeau | Shadow98: no, a newsdaemon is better |
| 15:11.39 | dos4gw | how so? |
| 15:11.40 | tarzeau | dos4gw: any web forum is the worst solution |
| 15:11.50 | tarzeau | dos4gw: because all browsers suck |
| 15:12.01 | dos4gw | umm... ok |
| 15:12.17 | Blissex | raf256: reading 'man ld.so' would have been quicker... |
| 15:12.19 | aardvark | Piggy: you hog! 636 tty2 5-01:40:30 eggdrop |
| 15:12.21 | tarzeau | dos4gw: ever entered alot of data to find out the form was broken? |
| 15:12.22 | dos4gw | but people arent going to deal with a non web-based forum |
| 15:12.25 | caphuso | web forums suck even with a non-sucking browser |
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| 15:12.29 | tarzeau | dos4gw: ever wanted to save partly entered forms? |
| 15:12.36 | dos4gw | i like phpbb2. easy to set up and maintain |
| 15:12.43 | tarzeau | dos4gw: then people suck |
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| 15:12.48 | dos4gw | thats a given |
| 15:12.49 | tarzeau | dos4gw: php sucks |
| 15:12.50 | raf256 | Blissex: hmm well actually, yes, asware was on 1st page.. I didnt know name of man page |
| 15:12.57 | dos4gw | what doesnt suck? |
| 15:13.00 | tarzeau | !suck dos4gw |
| 15:13.10 | dos4gw | ugh, dude, im straight |
| 15:13.14 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:13.16 | tarzeau | !gender |
| 15:13.16 | dpkg | I'm not sure |
| 15:13.30 | Blissex | raf256: but note that <greycat> gave you the name of the page, and you said you had no time... :-) |
| 15:13.40 | Roey | tarzeau: hahahaha |
| 15:13.46 | tarzeau | !milk Roey |
| 15:13.52 | Roey | eesh |
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| 15:13.54 | raf256 | Blissex: well someimtes answare is like in 98484 line of man page ;) |
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| 15:13.59 | caphuso | isn't phpbb that forum software with a really bad security record? |
| 15:14.00 | Roey | |lart tarzeau |
| 15:14.05 | Roey | !lart tarzeau |
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| 15:14.07 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: one of them |
| 15:14.13 | Roey | tarzeau: :) |
| 15:14.16 | Roey | hey all |
| 15:14.16 | tarzeau | Roey: heh |
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| 15:14.21 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: pretty much anything with php in the name has a crappy security record... |
| 15:14.25 | raf256 | Blissex: im in a hell of hurry to work :/ |
| 15:14.25 | Blissex | caphuso: yes, but the problem in part is PHP itself... |
| 15:14.27 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: heh |
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| 15:14.35 | caphuso | Blissex: ah, alright, that makes it much better |
| 15:14.41 | caphuso | Blissex: wait, no, it doesn't |
| 15:14.43 | greycat | !hurry |
| 15:14.43 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 15:14.56 | Blissex | caphuso: ehehehehehe. |
| 15:15.02 | Roey | greycat, Blissex, caphuso: hi |
| 15:15.12 | dondelelcaro | raf256: that's why things like less have regex searching built in... |
| 15:15.28 | jvw | the problem with php application's bad security track record is the application's programmers, not PHP itself in general |
| 15:15.35 | caphuso | that PHP is a problem in itself should become obvious once you start looking at it |
| 15:15.39 | Blissex | jvw: thats not quite true... |
| 15:15.57 | Blissex | jvw: the problem is that it is too easy to write exploitable code in PHP |
| 15:15.59 | dippo | PHP facilitates ease of use |
| 15:16.04 | dippo | it also facilitates writing very insecure code |
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| 15:16.16 | tarzeau | dos4gw: there's really alot that doesn't suck |
| 15:16.21 | jvw | except maybe php makes it easy to program, and there are way too many 'examples' out there that are bad, and self-taught programmers that stop when 'it works<tm>' |
| 15:16.24 | tarzeau | dos4gw: hardly anyone talks about them though |
| 15:16.26 | dos4gw | such as? |
| 15:16.28 | Blissex | jvw: even if PHP itself had no holes, one has to be real careful. |
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| 15:16.55 | tarzeau | dos4gw: but if you want some things listed that i believe don't suck: all the software i've put on this cd, http://livecd.gnustep.org |
| 15:16.56 | jvw | one has always to be carefull programming for the web, of course... |
| 15:16.56 | dondelelcaro | jvw: part of it too is that there are so many features to PHP that it's almost impossible to do a thourough audit of the thing |
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| 15:17.11 | jvw | like input checking |
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| 15:17.31 | dos4gw | i just dont really understand how you can say 'all browsers suck' |
| 15:17.41 | greycat | all browsers suck |
| 15:17.43 | jvw | and proper encoding when outputting to the user |
| 15:17.43 | dondelelcaro | dos4gw: they do. |
| 15:17.44 | tarzeau | dos4gw: true, OmniWeb is ok, but it's non-free |
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| 15:17.51 | dos4gw | its a browser, it does what its supposed to do |
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| 15:17.59 | dos4gw | parse and display html |
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| 15:18.03 | greycat | and crash |
| 15:18.09 | dondelelcaro | it's like an MUA. They all suck. It's just a question of which ones suck less. |
| 15:18.22 | greycat | and fail to handle feature X and feature Y and feature Z... and suck up all available RAM... |
| 15:18.24 | Blissex | !suck less |
| 15:18.29 | dondelelcaro | (and the level of suckage is often in the eye of the beholder) |
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| 15:18.36 | jvw | I don't say the php codebase itself sucks too, but it's not the reason for security holes in php applications for 99% of the cases |
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| 15:18.46 | Shay | !suck himself |
| 15:18.49 | FieldySnuts | ~be an Internet2 barbie |
| 15:18.51 | apt | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 15:18.57 | FieldySnuts | hrm |
| 15:19.02 | Shay | LOL |
| 15:19.17 | DwyaneWade | is it possible to create a pipe file in a C program, something similar to mkfifo? |
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| 15:19.32 | Blissex | DwyaneWade: are you serious? |
| 15:19.42 | tarzeau | DwyaneWade: man 3 mkfifo |
| 15:19.45 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: be an Internet2 barbie |
| 15:19.48 | tarzeau | Blissex: he must be kidding |
| 15:19.49 | ravenbird | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 15:19.49 | dondelelcaro | jvw: oh, sure... but things like using the perl regex engine and not realizing that they had therefore embedded an entire perl parser in PHP, and not providing any mechanism to secure it, or any mention of that fact in the archives... |
| 15:19.56 | sml | DwyaneWade: is that for your *killer* .plan ;) |
| 15:19.57 | FieldySnuts | odd. used to do something different, oh well |
| 15:20.01 | rrt | is there a rt2500 kernel module available for sarge? |
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| 15:20.06 | sml | cant beat a killer .plan. oh no. |
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| 15:20.13 | FieldySnuts | like doing $activity is HARD! Let's go shopping instead. |
| 15:20.16 | dondelelcaro | s/archives/documentation/ |
| 15:20.33 | sml | Tonight I'm going to drink copious amounts of Heineken. |
| 15:20.41 | sml | and that's copious with a K. |
| 15:20.45 | virgomoon | I have an Amiga/Debian question. I just got a request from a customer that wants a 5th cd for the Woody distro that is apparently required to install Debian on an Amiga with a Teron PPC board. Does this sound right? If so, where can I find an 'official' iso for this disk with a md5 sum available for verification? |
| 15:20.56 | DwyaneWade | oh man 3 is exclusively used for linux programimng and man for commands in console? |
| 15:21.05 | tarzeau | virgomoon: www.debian.org |
| 15:21.19 | tarzeau | DwyaneWade: not generally, read man man |
| 15:21.23 | greycat | DwyaneWade: man 3 intro |
| 15:21.27 | Blissex | virgomoon: also #DebianPPC |
| 15:21.33 | virgomoon | tarzeau: Oh, they have it there? Thanks. Sorry for not checking there first. Duh |
| 15:21.36 | virgomoon | Blissex: thank you |
| 15:21.48 | sml | DwyaneWade: man x <blah> where x = 1 to 8 |
| 15:22.08 | Caeies[taff] | I need some little help with debootstrap |
| 15:22.10 | sml | DwyaneWade: man man. |
| 15:22.13 | dos4gw | DwyaneWade: how do you like playing wit Shaq? |
| 15:22.14 | Caeies[taff] | it's doing crazy thing |
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| 15:22.31 | Eclipser | hmm hmm |
| 15:22.51 | Caeies[taff] | like link for /bin/touch to bin/touch which becomes a circular link when in chroot env |
| 15:23.05 | Caeies[taff] | then, awk is failing |
| 15:23.15 | sceig | i have just installed x-window-system-core and kde sarge package. When i launch KDE (startx), Kde start loading until "Desktop loading" and then just display me the "tricks window". No icon, no taskbar, nothing else is loaded. It leave me on a white background (mouse is working). Any idea ? |
| 15:23.18 | Caeies[taff] | due to not erasing previous link |
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| 15:23.46 | Caeies[taff] | any idea ? |
| 15:23.50 | Eclipser | which kernel option would make /proc/bus/usb appear? |
| 15:23.50 | Phacam | alguem fala portugues |
| 15:24.02 | Caeies[taff] | I try stopping it to remove the link |
| 15:24.04 | greycat | !br |
| 15:24.04 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:24.06 | sceig | why the desktop is not correctly loaded |
| 15:24.11 | greycat | Eclipser: use a debian kernel. |
| 15:24.16 | dupondje | hi guys, i'm havind smth weird, i have a file that i can't del, "rm: cannot remove `1211': Operation not permitted" , command: rm -rf 1211 |
| 15:24.19 | Eclipser | greycat, no thanks :) |
| 15:24.21 | Becca | Ok, I checked my memory with memtest86 -- its clean (five tests, no errors) would USB legacy disabled in the bios make it so USB mice and keyboards couldn't wake up the system?? |
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| 15:24.47 | sml | Becca: you need to run memtest for a lot longer than five runs |
| 15:24.48 | Caeies[taff] | but then it fails on install for libc6 :/ |
| 15:24.48 | streuner | sceig: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 15:24.56 | Blissex | Becca: that might be... |
| 15:25.05 | sml | Becca: Also those kinds of errors can be got when your glibc is fucked. |
| 15:25.13 | Becca | sml: Test 1 2 and 3 completed fine, test 4 completed fine -- test five made it through 2 passes no errors |
| 15:25.15 | davem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.25 | Blissex | Becca: but the correct option is to make sure it does not enter that sleep state. |
| 15:25.25 | sml | Becca: I would recommend running it over night. |
| 15:25.28 | Becca | I'll run it again tonight to be _certain_ |
| 15:25.36 | Becca | but I don't have the 6 hours to throw in the middle of the day :) |
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| 15:25.44 | kuckuck | which dependencies has the "Input Device (needed for...)" and "PS/2 driver library" section in the kernel, I'v no idea how, but these sections are deactivated in my kernel Konfig |
| 15:25.47 | Blissex | sml: Becca has wakeup-from-sleep problems, not signal 11 ones. |
| 15:26.02 | dupondje | somebody would know how i could del that file ? |
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| 15:26.12 | sml | Blissex: ahhhh ok. |
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| 15:26.13 | dupondje | -rw-r--r-- 1 2175008876 7111076 49152 Mar 24 1970 1211 |
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| 15:26.16 | Becca | The only problem I have with this system -- flat out the only one, is when the system idles for more than something like two hours and I can't get it to "wake back up" |
| 15:26.17 | sml | Blissex: Sorry. |
| 15:26.28 | Becca | When I go to bed, leave the system on, and in the morning it won't respond |
| 15:26.31 | caphuso | dupondje: that looks like a filesystem corruption |
| 15:26.32 | sml | Blissex: I get waking up from sleep problems myself ;) |
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| 15:26.40 | dupondje | caphuso it was |
| 15:26.42 | sceig | streuner: typing /msg dpkg xsession in a command line doesnt work |
| 15:26.44 | dupondje | but did fsck |
| 15:26.44 | caphuso | dupondje: fsck |
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| 15:26.47 | dupondje | and now errors now :s |
| 15:26.49 | Blissex | sml: have you got an older BIOS? :-) |
| 15:26.54 | Becca | I don't have a keyboard or mouse with the round connecters to test with though... |
| 15:26.55 | streuner | !tell sceig about xsession |
| 15:26.56 | sml | Blissex: 28 year old one. |
| 15:26.56 | Steven___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.59 | Steven___ | damn |
| 15:27.12 | Becca | I DID change my kernel to a k7 kernel just in case though...(debian 2.6.8-2-k7) |
| 15:27.19 | caphuso | dupondje: what filesystem? |
| 15:27.19 | Blissex | sml: a bit young though, but lots of people have so called ''sleep apnea''... |
| 15:27.26 | dupondje | ext3 |
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| 15:27.43 | caphuso | dupondje: and you did a full fsck, not just a journal replay? |
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| 15:28.00 | Blissex | Becca: K7 or whatever does not matter... it might be just an ACPI or APM thing. |
| 15:28.08 | dupondje | fsck -f /dev/sdb1 |
| 15:28.09 | dupondje | ? |
| 15:28.16 | Blissex | Becca: try running with ACPI disabled like 'acpi=off' at boot. |
| 15:28.22 | Becca | Blissex, It probably doesn't matter, but I saw that kernel was specifically for my type of system, so :) |
| 15:28.22 | Steven___ | does anyone have experience running bluetooth on debian on a dell laptop ? |
| 15:28.30 | Becca | How would I find that option? |
| 15:28.57 | zergouille | why debian hasn't yet switched to x.org instead of xfree ? |
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| 15:29.01 | petemc | Steven___: a guy from my lug wrote a nice how to about debian on a d600, including bluetooth |
| 15:29.16 | Steven___ | petemc : sounds nice, where can I find it ? |
| 15:29.22 | petemc | Steven___: http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/dell_latitude_d600 |
| 15:29.33 | Steven___ | ah marlow |
| 15:29.52 | jharrison | is sarge in the security updates yet? |
| 15:30.13 | Becca | I don't know if this applies any, but when I was booting before (before I turned on USB legacy), my keyboard would go 'dead' after the bios did the memory check and the MBR initialized |
| 15:30.24 | Becca | the keyboard would then return part way through the boot sequence |
| 15:30.29 | Becca | is this important? |
| 15:30.37 | valdyn | zergouille: wrong question: why should debian have switched? |
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| 15:32.05 | takatumi | valdyn: shifting is imminent, only the timing is in question. |
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| 15:32.28 | valdyn | takatumi: yea i know.. still ^^^ |
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| 15:33.06 | takatumi | valdyn: IMHO with this kinda delay, we should've. |
| 15:33.07 | ircdevil | if i put a script in /etc/cron.daily it will be executed once a day? how can i test? |
| 15:33.08 | zergouille | valdyn, well , because of the last xfree license ... which could let us think that is isn't gpl compatible any more... and i think debian is the first distro to be concerne by such a thing... am i wrong ? |
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| 15:33.39 | valdyn | zergouille: oh, debians xfree is pre license change |
| 15:33.48 | valdyn | zergouille: so its not affected by it |
| 15:34.07 | zergouille | valdyn, what do you mean ? a modified licence ? |
| 15:34.13 | caphuso | ircdevil: run-parts --test /etc/cron.daily | grep nameofyourscript |
| 15:34.21 | snail | anyone working in an educational environment with people who know nothing about open source / ipr? we're just released a guide on this very topic... http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/iprguide.xml?style=.pdf |
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| 15:34.29 | rogue | Hello |
| 15:34.31 | caphuso | ircdevil: if it shows up, it'll be executed |
| 15:34.31 | valdyn | zergouille: debians xfree uses the xfree license prior to 4.4 |
| 15:34.34 | sceig | streuner: |
| 15:34.36 | snail | hello rogue |
| 15:34.36 | sceig | streuner:startkde: Starting up... |
| 15:34.36 | sceig | /usr/bin/x-session-manager: line 183: kreadconfig: command not found |
| 15:34.36 | sceig | QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used |
| 15:34.58 | rogue | debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso <- quick question, is this the 'install' iso? |
| 15:35.02 | zergouille | valdyn, oh ok. thanks. |
| 15:35.05 | sceig | it's from the .xsession-errors file |
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| 15:35.49 | ircdevil | caphuso: good. it looks like it will pass the test. can i execute the cron.daily manually without upsetting the cron cycle? |
| 15:35.58 | snail | rogue: the ones i use look like sarge-i386-netinst.iso but i can't say for sure |
| 15:36.02 | caphuso | ircdevil: edit /etc/crontab |
| 15:36.06 | valdyn | zergouille: its a 4.4 prerelease with driver updates from xorg and various stuff that i dont know about. |
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| 15:36.47 | T_T | el video codec para linux |
| 15:36.53 | T_T | ?¿??? |
| 15:37.02 | rogue | Anyone know :) sorry for the noob question, I did try an read debian.org |
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| 15:37.57 | Steven___ | rogue : yes it is |
| 15:38.00 | streuner | !tell rogue about ask |
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| 15:38.22 | rogue | Ok, thank you! |
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| 15:38.35 | streuner | !tell rogue about netinstall |
| 15:38.42 | sceig | streuner: from the .xsession-errors file |
| 15:38.49 | sceig | startkde: Starting up... |
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| 15:38.53 | streuner | rogue: that's for woody |
| 15:38.55 | sceig | QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used |
| 15:39.02 | streuner | rogue: /msg dpkg d-i for sarge |
| 15:39.20 | arpa- | How do i get to the apt configure screen, where it asks me if i want to add other sources except the CDROM? |
| 15:39.36 | streuner | sceig: edit ~/.xsession and put 'exec startkde &' into it |
| 15:39.36 | takatumi | arpa-: apt-setup |
| 15:39.43 | Becca | Anyway, thanks for the input... laters. |
| 15:39.54 | arpa- | takatumi: exactly what i was looking for, thanks :) |
| 15:39.56 | snail | !tell snail about ask |
| 15:40.08 | nevyn | hrm |
| 15:40.27 | nevyn | god I hate certification.. LPI included. |
| 15:40.50 | nevyn | testing what people have memorised doesn't make a good admin |
| 15:41.14 | Blissex | nevyn: innocent little idealist |
| 15:41.27 | jethro | nevyn: but it increases your marketability, sadly |
| 15:41.42 | snail | nevyn: no ubt tests make for easy h.r. |
| 15:41.43 | jethro | nevyn: bullet #2 of the security+ "why get it" |
| 15:41.44 | Blissex | nevyn: certification is not at all about «good admin», it is about fencing career paths. |
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| 15:43.24 | rogue | Ok, am going. Thanks! |
| 15:43.25 | nevyn | I'm CCNA but I still hate it. |
| 15:44.09 | jethro | CCNA is so common that it's no longer a way to increase your marketalibity, neither is it a way to confirm your knowledge, considering how many clueless people manage to have it |
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| 15:45.10 | nevyn | jethro: see that's the problem |
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| 15:45.46 | jethro | nevyn: what's the problem? |
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| 15:46.51 | maggi | hi |
| 15:47.04 | PEACEYALL | heyy |
| 15:47.13 | scorphus | hi! I get an eml file, can anyone help me 'extract' files from it? |
| 15:47.33 | maggi | how do I get my debian to start login to gnome or kde? first time on debian. Normally I use ubuntu |
| 15:48.03 | Ikarus | apt-get install gdm || kdm ? |
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| 15:48.10 | valdyn | maggi: do you want one of both kde / gnome specificually or both? |
| 15:48.11 | stew | mom_m: /msg dpkg install gnome ; /msg dpkg install kde |
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| 15:48.23 | nevyn | people passed the course part of my cisco training who shouldn't have. and it devalues the certification.. |
| 15:48.27 | sceig | streuner: i dont have a .xsession file but i have /usr/share/xsessions i have created a ~/.xsession file with 'exec startkde &' and it's the same |
| 15:48.36 | nutshell42 | I have 3 nameservers in my resolv.conf but when I try to ping a host that's not listed in the first I get a "not found" and ethereal shows that my system only queries the first nameserver |
| 15:48.50 | nevyn | jethro: there are adds.. buy a CCNA and get a week of free training. |
| 15:48.55 | streuner | sceig: touch /home/sc/.xsession |
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| 15:49.19 | valdyn | sceig: remove the & |
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| 15:49.29 | Maggi | How do I make debian start up in gnome or kde? |
| 15:49.31 | darkskiez | crap |
| 15:49.44 | sml | Maggi: modify .xinitrc |
| 15:49.47 | simonrvn | yeh, that startkde starts a wm, you don't want that to exit |
| 15:49.48 | qwertz | Hi! Is there a way to apply new group settings without going back to vt and logout + login? xterm -l doesn't use my new group settings |
| 15:49.51 | stew | Maggi: /msg dpkg install gnome ; /msg dpkg install kde |
| 15:49.52 | nutshell42 | the man page implies that the only limiting factor is a var in resolv.h, the -dev pkg I have installed has this var set to 3 which seems to be the standard value |
| 15:49.53 | valdyn | Maggi: have you both installed already? |
| 15:49.58 | simonrvn | so you remove that ampersand |
| 15:49.59 | cyzie | guys, how do i restart apache? |
| 15:49.59 | darkskiez | anyone here use gnome-terminal in sid? can you press numeric keypad and numeric plus simultaneouly please ? |
| 15:50.03 | Maggi | valdyn: yes |
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| 15:50.09 | undertow | im looking for a scrollable virtual dekstop to fluxbobx, as opposed to side-by-side..heard of any? |
| 15:50.15 | valdyn | Maggi: apt-get install gdm |
| 15:50.16 | simonrvn | sceig: ^^ |
| 15:50.27 | raf256 | !smite my XFree86 and/or allegro library for crashing when leaving fullscreen mode |
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| 15:50.38 | valdyn | Maggi: ( that is too what ubuntu uses for logging in ) |
| 15:50.48 | Maggi | ok |
| 15:50.53 | nutshell42 | undertow: you mean a virtual desktop that behaves like one desktop but is larger than your physical screen? |
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| 15:51.07 | undertow | nutshell42, yes |
| 15:51.19 | raf256 | what commend can I use to upload ./foobar/ directory into remote ftp and/or scp server using HOST USER PASS into REMOTEDIR |
| 15:51.36 | raf256 | i want to have one commend, because its a part of a script |
| 15:51.58 | valdyn | raf256: man scp |
| 15:51.59 | nutshell42 | undertow: set "Virtual" in the screen section of your XF86Config or xorg.conf |
| 15:52.05 | petemc | raf256: you could use ~/.netrc |
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| 15:52.12 | FieldySnuts | ncftpput , part of nftp . or scp. |
| 15:52.23 | nutshell42 | there should already be an "Virtual 0 0" entry |
| 15:52.26 | raf256 | ncfpput looks cool |
| 15:52.30 | nutshell42 | for all color depths |
| 15:52.38 | Maggi | exit |
| 15:52.39 | undertow | nutshell42, ill check that. thank you |
| 15:52.43 | nutshell42 | change that to the values you want |
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| 15:52.46 | nutshell42 | np |
| 15:52.49 | simonrvn | cyzie: /etc/init.d/<foo> restart, remove the restart to see usage |
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| 15:53.09 | cyzie | ok, ty simonrvn |
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| 15:54.33 | sceig | streuner: it's the same. kde start to run (until 'Loading panel') but then i have a white background only |
| 15:54.51 | streuner | sceig: /j #flood |
| 15:55.22 | sceig | ? |
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| 15:55.59 | streuner | sceig: /join #flood |
| 15:56.16 | [Elad] | # nvtv -r 800,600 -s Large |
| 15:56.18 | [Elad] | Defaulting to PAL TV system. |
| 15:56.18 | [Elad] | Segmentation fault |
| 15:56.22 | [Elad] | what is the problem here please? |
| 15:56.23 | streuner | sceig: type that into your irc-client |
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| 15:56.42 | sceig | done |
| 15:56.43 | undertow | nutshell42, this puts slit/toolbar at static location still..not really a solution |
| 15:56.57 | jethro | nevyn: CCNA is really not a good example |
| 15:57.13 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart ccna weenies |
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| 15:57.42 | Ikarus | Not like CCNP is much better |
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| 15:59.05 | nevyn | jethro: hrm what is. |
| 15:59.08 | nevyn | MSCE is worse. |
| 15:59.16 | jethro | product related certifications sucks |
| 15:59.23 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 15:59.43 | nevyn | CCIE otoh is well respected but quite difficult. |
| 16:00.08 | nevyn | I have a massive problem with the whole certification indoctrination thing. |
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| 16:00.54 | PEACEYALL | does any oen know any tutorial that tells you how to make gnome look like mac? |
| 16:00.57 | nevyn | I did microsofts official courseware last year and while it's not bad.. you've got this problem where it's replacing general networking and operating system courses with vendor provided crud. |
| 16:01.50 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 16:01.51 | streuner | PEACEYALL: get the Aqua themes |
| 16:01.56 | valdyn | PEACEYALL: http://art.gnome.org/ |
| 16:02.01 | PEACEYALL | ok |
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| 16:02.40 | Eclipser | ok, I got bored and resolved to debian kernel... now how do I disable ipv6 thingie over ipv4 or something? |
| 16:02.55 | valdyn | Eclipser: why |
| 16:02.56 | streuner | PEACEYALL: kde-look.org have some too |
| 16:02.59 | sml | ok the time for beer cometh. have a good weekend all. |
| 16:03.11 | Eclipser | valdyn, because I don't like it |
| 16:03.11 | streuner | cu |
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| 16:03.32 | BenDrake | has anyone had an issue with kwifimanager locking up their system? |
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| 16:04.04 | huhmz | Anyone know off hand if iptables in sarge or unstable is patched with IMQ? |
| 16:04.21 | valdyn | Eclipser: you could move all ipv6 modules out of the way |
| 16:04.30 | streuner | no, but take a look in debian rules, huhmz |
| 16:04.31 | simonrvn | huhmz: changelog is the best place to look for that |
| 16:04.37 | simonrvn | that too |
| 16:05.00 | huhmz | and look i did |
| 16:05.12 | huhmz | and naught i found |
| 16:05.25 | rrt | in trying to get wifi installed on sarge i have followed directions for madwifi kernel compile etc, gone to ndiswrapper for rt2500 driver. rt2500 is working with ndiswrapper but sometimes has many attempts to connect with encryption. thought i would try compiling the module for rt2500 to see if it is better but it fails. any ideas? |
| 16:05.41 | Eclipser | whoa |
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| 16:05.43 | streuner | huhmz: apt-get source iptables |
| 16:05.52 | Eclipser | my bluetooth adapter just started working |
| 16:06.08 | streuner | !congratulate Eclipser |
| 16:06.09 | dpkg | Nice one Eclipser, you did it! |
| 16:06.20 | FlycKER | rrt: thy exec discover |
| 16:06.51 | FlycKER | !find discover |
| 16:06.52 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'discover' (10): discover ;; discover-data ;; discover1 ;; discover1-data ;; libcommons-discovery-java ;; libdiscover-dev ;; libdiscover1 ;; libdiscover1-dev ;; libdiscover1-pic ;; libdiscover2. |
| 16:07.47 | rrt | FlycKER: I'm not sure what you are telling me |
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| 16:08.24 | Eclipser | now I just have to figure out how to use this |
| 16:08.28 | FlycKER | rrt: Discover is a hardware identification |
| 16:08.35 | rrt | my machine is using discover i think |
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| 16:08.51 | streuner | rrt: dpkg -l discover |
| 16:08.52 | FlycKER | rrt: apt-get install discover, to know |
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| 16:09.39 | bifeo_work | hi guys |
| 16:09.53 | rrt | discover 2.0.7-2 |
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| 16:10.02 | bifeo_work | is there a way to tell apt-get to download packages without worrying about dependencies? |
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| 16:10.35 | valdyn | bifeo_work: that is evil to even think of, what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 16:10.38 | streuner | bifeo_work: yes, apt-get install package |
| 16:10.40 | simonrvn | what would be the point of that exactly? |
| 16:10.53 | simonrvn | it resolves them automatically... |
| 16:10.55 | streuner | bifeo_work: You need those files |
| 16:10.58 | bifeo_work | valdyn: i don't want to install the package... just download |
| 16:11.15 | valdyn | bifeo_work: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 16:11.21 | bifeo_work | valdyn: thanks |
| 16:11.27 | dos4gw | how do you determine your kernel version? |
| 16:11.27 | dupondje | hi guys, i'm havind smth weird, i have a file that i can't del, "rm: cannot remove `1211': Operation not permitted" , command: rm -rf 1211, and did fsck yet without errors |
| 16:11.31 | FieldySnuts | uname -r |
| 16:11.46 | simonrvn | man apt-get |
| 16:11.51 | dos4gw | thanks |
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| 16:12.20 | valdyn | dupondje: as root? |
| 16:12.35 | dupondje | yep |
| 16:12.35 | dos4gw | if i have 2.4 and everything is working fine, is there a good reason to try to get 2.6? |
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| 16:12.46 | valdyn | dupondje: type "mount" check if the filesystem that file is on is writable |
| 16:12.46 | stew | dos4gw: no |
| 16:12.55 | simonrvn | dos4gw: no |
| 16:13.06 | dos4gw | ok |
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| 16:13.15 | Eclipser | how could I route my traffic through my phone/gprs? |
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| 16:13.34 | darkskiez | Eclipser, leave your phone on the road? |
| 16:13.39 | jansen_ | !ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER, ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? IF SO THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US FOR MORE INFORMATION [GNAA] |
| 16:13.39 | simonrvn | set your default route to go that way |
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| 16:13.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER, ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? IF SO THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US FOR MORE INFORMATION [GNAA] |
| 16:13.40 | jansen_ | ~ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER, ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? IF SO THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US FOR MORE INFORMATION [GNAA] |
| 16:13.41 | apt | okay, jansen_ |
| 16:13.41 | jansen_ | @ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER, ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? IF SO THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US FOR MORE INFORMATION [GNAA] |
| 16:13.42 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER, ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? IF SO THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US FOR MORE INFORMATION [GNAA] |
| 16:13.42 | jansen_ | @ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER, ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? IF SO THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US FOR MORE INFORMATION [GNAA] |
| 16:13.45 | jansen_ | @ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER, ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? IF SO THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US FOR MORE INFORMATION [GNAA] |
| 16:13.45 | stranger | hi again.. |
| 16:13.46 | _knoppix3 | !ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER, ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? IF SO THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US FOR MORE INFORMATION [GNAA] |
| 16:13.47 | _knoppix3 | @ops [GNAA] ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU A NIGGER, ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? IF SO THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US FOR MORE INFORMATION [GNAA] |
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| 16:13.48 | simonrvn | @ops GNAA troll |
| 16:13.49 | Rydekull | !ops jansen_ |
| 16:13.49 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: GNAA troll |
| 16:13.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jansen_ |
| 16:14.02 | LoRez | one is plenty thanks. |
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| 16:14.10 | dos000 | is there a tool i can use to play comething that is piped ? i want gencoolsound | <nameoftool> |
| 16:14.13 | dupondje | valdyn its rw |
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| 16:14.20 | simonrvn | wtf. sorry |
| 16:14.26 | darkskiez | dos000, "play" as part of sox will do it. |
| 16:14.39 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 16:14.50 | stranger | I want to install realplayer or any other player to view streaming real videos |
| 16:14.53 | Eclipser | darkskiez, ehheh, network traffic :) |
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| 16:15.49 | dos000 | darkskiez, you saved the day ! i was trying aplay ! |
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| 16:15.50 | stranger | but I didn't find them in debian |
| 16:16.05 | scorphus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:16.41 | FieldySnuts | depends what an eml file is |
| 16:16.41 | darkskiez | Eclipser, the gprs on the phone is just a ppp connection no? |
| 16:16.51 | Eclipser | darkskiez, I have no idea :) |
| 16:17.09 | darkskiez | Eclipser, I feel google is your friend. |
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| 16:17.23 | pinks | darkskiez: yes it is a ppp |
| 16:17.25 | scorphus | FieldySnuts: it is a mime/base64 encoded email attachment file |
| 16:17.26 | Eclipser | darkskiez, me too :) |
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| 16:17.29 | kevinz | i intend to reinstall debian system as i would like to enlarge the partition it was in, but it seems that it costs a lot of work to redo the settings for debian, the setting files are located everywhere. |
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| 16:18.21 | pinks | stranger: realplayer is shipped for linux - see the website |
| 16:18.31 | valdyn | dupondje: can you delete other files on the filesystem? |
| 16:18.37 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 16:19.03 | simonrvn | there's also helixplayer, but it lacks some of the codecs (for mostly licence reasons) |
| 16:19.23 | dupondje | valdyn yes |
| 16:19.30 | hidiho | hmm i can't believe my / partition is 3gb's with barely any files over 50mb |
| 16:19.30 | ecliptik | I'm trying to compile a new kernel on testing, but I keep getting seg faults, and not at the same places, different files |
| 16:19.44 | stranger | pinks, anyother player that can play real files? |
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| 16:19.54 | simonrvn | ecliptik: sounds like bad ram |
| 16:20.03 | nevyn | hhrm |
| 16:20.07 | simonrvn | ecliptik: gcc is segfaulting? |
| 16:20.17 | ecliptik | simonrvn, but the memory is brand new |
| 16:20.25 | ecliptik | simonrvn, yes it's gcc that is |
| 16:20.35 | pinks | darkskiez: and Eclipser: if you are just using the mobile as a modem - you get the setting for the gprs onto the phone from your network provider, then connect to it with a ppp session |
| 16:20.37 | simonrvn | sounds like bad ram |
| 16:20.46 | valdyn | dupondje: which filesystem type? |
| 16:20.49 | pinks | stranger: why? |
| 16:20.56 | ecliptik | wtf? I just bought this sstuff not more than a month ago to replace other bad ram |
| 16:21.00 | ecliptik | that's it, I'm giving up on computers |
| 16:21.00 | dupondje | ext3 |
| 16:21.20 | simonrvn | ecliptik: one of the best tests for testing ram is gcc. if it segfaults, then there's a problem |
| 16:21.28 | pinks | stranger: what's wrong with realplayer? |
| 16:21.29 | valdyn | dupondje: very strange, i know this error from reiser4 and its a filesystem bug |
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| 16:21.34 | caphuso | dupondje: what does lsattr say about that file? |
| 16:21.50 | valdyn | dupondje: i hope you didnt try fsck on a live filesystem |
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| 16:22.02 | dupondje | nope valdyn |
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| 16:22.20 | dupondje | but the sata driver was beta, and not included in kernel yet |
| 16:22.22 | dupondje | upgraded kernel |
| 16:22.26 | dupondje | and doing fsck now |
| 16:22.52 | simonrvn | ecliptik: sucks, don't it. sorry about that |
| 16:22.58 | darkskiez | I've run e2fsck on an ext2 mounted a couple of times, wasnt going to OK any changed, i just wanted that statistics at the end. That was fine. Then one day I ran it on an ext3 fs, and the first thing it did was replay the journal...ooops. |
| 16:23.06 | stranger | pinks, nothing, just I like options |
| 16:23.08 | dos4gw | giving up on computers is a good idea |
| 16:23.22 | dos4gw | what has a computer ever done to make my life better? |
| 16:23.32 | simonrvn | the way they make them nowadays, i'm not surprised |
| 16:23.40 | pinks | stranger: I'm actually doing the install as I type this - found it earlier today ;-) |
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| 16:25.01 | Piggy | 18:24:55 up 140 days, 13:25, 12 users, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.08 |
| 16:25.11 | simonrvn | *wreee* *wreee* |
| 16:25.16 | pinks | show-off :-p |
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| 16:25.54 | luvnation | hello |
| 16:25.56 | simonrvn | 12:25:50 up 59 days, 22:54, 1 user, load average: 0.23, 0.05, 0.02 |
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| 16:26.02 | caphuso | !penis-uptime |
| 16:26.02 | dpkg | perl -le '`uptime`=~/(d+) day/;print 8,"=" x $1,D;' |
| 16:26.07 | stranger | pinks, wha about edonkey? |
| 16:26.13 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:26.50 | Shadow98 | is phpbb the best solutions for creating a forum? |
| 16:26.54 | simonrvn | no |
| 16:27.01 | Shadow98 | i feel asleep after i asked the question before |
| 16:27.03 | simonrvn | drupal++ |
| 16:27.03 | caphuso | a nntpd is |
| 16:27.12 | simonrvn | caphuso++ |
| 16:27.13 | caphuso | or maybe a mailing list manager |
| 16:27.16 | pinks | stranger: I don't know that one - I'll try realplayer first |
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| 16:27.31 | enola | can somebody suggest me a good color theme for xchat, one that clearly higlight a conversation |
| 16:27.39 | pinks | Shadow(*: be aware of the recent security flaws |
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| 16:27.55 | Shadow98 | pinks: i saw that |
| 16:27.55 | caphuso | Shadow98: given how phpbb seems to need a security update every second week, it's not a good idea to use it at all |
| 16:27.57 | pinks | Ooops Shadow98: even |
| 16:28.03 | stranger | thanks anyway pinks, I will download realplayer and I hope it will work nicely with sarge |
| 16:28.06 | simonrvn | if you want php/web (ugh, if badly done) use something that at least pays attention to security |
| 16:28.19 | Shadow98 | im just looking for something not to complicated to get setup. |
| 16:28.32 | stranger | now anybody knows how to get edonkey for sarge |
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| 16:28.40 | jvw | phpbb is just apt-get install'eable |
| 16:28.41 | pinks | Stranger: pm me anytime about ti - we cna compare notes - I'm on Sarge too.. |
| 16:28.42 | Shadow98 | stranger: get a mule |
| 16:28.48 | caphuso | Shadow98: well, then phpbb is what you want. in about 2 or 3 weeks you'll have at least 20 admins working for you... |
| 16:28.49 | simonrvn | apt-get install drupal. read the READMEs in /usr/share/doc/drupal/ |
| 16:28.52 | aardvark | in soviet russia, mule gets you |
| 16:28.57 | simonrvn | caphuso: hehe |
| 16:29.02 | Shadow98 | stranger: i mean amule...they have a wiki guide to help with installation |
| 16:29.09 | jla | Where did apt-listbugs in testing go? It's not listed as a recent removal on the ftp archive. |
| 16:29.25 | stranger | I will Shadow98 , thanks |
| 16:29.40 | Shadow98 | caphuso: i just don't want to spend a lot of time screwing with getting it to work...i have other things on the site i want to finish like editing videos and pics mainly.. |
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| 16:30.05 | Shadow98 | stranger: i have it running on sarge and it runs like a charm... |
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| 16:31.03 | stranger | Shadow98, amule is being downloaded.. I love debian :-) |
| 16:31.58 | dupondje | valdyn: -----a-Ac-Z----t- ./1211 |
| 16:32.04 | simonrvn | oi |
| 16:32.09 | caphuso | cute |
| 16:32.10 | Shadow98 | stranger: me to i got rid of redhat pretty quick after finding sarge.. |
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| 16:32.21 | Shadow98 | strager: i can't live without apt-get anymore.. |
| 16:32.28 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 16:32.31 | simonrvn | wtf is that thing, and what set attrs like that? |
| 16:32.45 | AngelGabriel | i just did a routine scan of my network, as normallydo, lookig for unusual open ports and stuff like that, and noticed an open port on my 2k3 server, that registerd as network blackjack - it's port 1025 - has any one else seen that?? |
| 16:32.45 | Shadow98 | stranger: did you find the installation guid.. |
| 16:33.06 | FieldySnuts | AngelGabriel: this isn't a windows channel (or network), we really wouldn't know |
| 16:33.12 | simonrvn | AngelGabriel: this isn't #windows |
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| 16:33.27 | tuxyRochefort | why a WEP key of 128bits is weak ? |
| 16:33.30 | simonrvn | AngelGabriel: but i would do a complete scan |
| 16:33.36 | AngelGabriel | Okay, i was USING my debian box, to scan my network !! |
| 16:33.41 | FieldySnuts | any WEP is weak and breakable after about 1GB of data gathered |
| 16:34.03 | stranger | Shadow98, guide of amule? not yet.. I think it will be in their website? or the wiki |
| 16:34.17 | tuxyRochefort | FieldySnuts, my Access Point is rather old, and i have only Wep key encryption :/ |
| 16:34.30 | FieldySnuts | and if you don't think you've got 1GB of data going very quickly, wait till the attacker starts throwing out arp broadcasts |
| 16:34.33 | dupondje | valdyn: -----a-Ac-Z----t- ./1211 |
| 16:34.35 | jla | Do old versions of packages get deleted from the archive before the new version is added? |
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| 16:34.51 | caphuso | jla: no |
| 16:35.04 | FieldySnuts | well anything that you value, tunnel over ssh / vpn , anything else is vulnerable. though it's not very likely somebody will bother with you. |
| 16:35.12 | jla | caphuso I didn't think so, but it was the only reason I could figure that apt-listbugs isn't in testing. |
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| 16:37.20 | silverstone | www.united-mails.com best PTR |
| 16:37.21 | silverstone | www.united-mails.com best PTR |
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| 16:37.59 | FieldySnuts | alindeman: spammer for you (sliverstone) |
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| 16:38.11 | LoRez | klined |
| 16:38.17 | FieldySnuts | right on :) |
| 16:38.28 | FieldySnuts | i'm on a lot of networks but freenode is best at smacking those tools down |
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| 16:38.44 | tuxyRochefort | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.52 | chrysopa | Hi, What is the recommended version of Mysql? 4.0.x or 4.1.x, using Debian testing |
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| 16:40.02 | dupondje | valdyn still alive ? :d |
| 16:40.13 | FieldySnuts | i forget, but the one i saw was command line. they kinda assume you know wha tyoure doing but maybe there's others, pry can be found at packetstormsecurity.org or whatever the hell they're named now |
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| 16:41.02 | FieldySnuts | anyway just make sure you're doing the common sense things: change the default password, don't broadcast SSID, use MAC filtering. |
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| 16:42.27 | jim | anyone know what edf is? mime type application/x-edf |
| 16:42.33 | chrysopa | Hi, What is the recommended version of Mysql? 4.0.x or 4.1.x, using Debian testing |
| 16:42.46 | nevyn | sigh well that was painfull. |
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| 16:43.01 | BrianAnthony | Does anyone use the C api and has installed the MySQL Debian package |
| 16:43.30 | FieldySnuts | jim: find out what "file" says about it, command line run file whatever.edf |
| 16:44.15 | jim | FieldySnuts: I don't have a file of it, I'm trying to get some sheet music for a sting tune and it or part of the site has a .edf |
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| 16:44.49 | gpm | jim: so, download it and run file yoursong.edf |
| 16:45.00 | jim | and the browser says it needs a plugin |
| 16:45.07 | gpm | jim: save target as... |
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| 16:46.12 | ricky_clarkson | How should I copy from one audio CD to another? |
| 16:46.38 | gpm | ricky_clarkson: what do you mean? |
| 16:46.58 | ricky_clarkson | gpm: Read a CD, write the same audio tracks to another CD, without loss of quality. |
| 16:47.10 | ricky_clarkson | I only have one CD drive. |
| 16:47.18 | zinx | ricky_clarkson: cdparanoia, or cdrdao |
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| 16:47.22 | jim | it looks like javascript, but I don't think this is the right thing yet |
| 16:47.33 | FieldySnuts | i meant file as in the program (man file) |
| 16:47.42 | zinx | ricky_clarkson: or one of the many frontents |
| 16:47.44 | zinx | erd, ends |
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| 16:47.50 | ricky_clarkson | zinx: Such as? |
| 16:47.50 | gpm | ricky_clarkson: ditto what zinx said, rip it as a wav or whatever and then burn it. |
| 16:47.53 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: cdrdao should do that |
| 16:47.59 | zinx | ricky_clarkson: such as you can search too |
| 16:48.00 | gpm | ricky_clarkson: grip |
| 16:48.23 | ricky_clarkson | Does grip work well? |
| 16:48.27 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 16:48.30 | gpm | ricky_clarkson: i dig it |
| 16:48.50 | ricky_clarkson | Woo, 14.7MB. |
| 16:48.50 | FieldySnuts | dig ns .it. ? |
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| 16:49.00 | gpm | ricky_clarkson: or you can just use cdparanoia on the command line |
| 16:49.01 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: "cdrdao read-cd" |
| 16:49.06 | gpm | ricky_clarkson: (or cdda2wav) |
| 16:49.24 | FieldySnuts | postmaaaann! |
| 16:49.34 | FieldySnuts | BenDover? |
| 16:49.41 | gpm | lol |
| 16:50.03 | FieldySnuts | apt: nickometer * |
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| 16:50.59 | cristy | i want to find all the files in a directory that contain some text..is there a utility that could help me? |
| 16:51.09 | caphuso | cristy: grep |
| 16:51.27 | gpm | caphuso: how exactly would you do that? |
| 16:51.33 | caphuso | gpm: do what? |
| 16:51.43 | FieldySnuts | shell fu |
| 16:51.44 | gpm | caphuso: grep for files thatt contain some text.... |
| 16:51.52 | furrywolf | cristy: grep "pattern" * |
| 16:51.55 | caphuso | uhm |
| 16:51.56 | ricky_clarkson | gpm: Can I use grip to burn .ogg files etc., to CD too? |
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| 16:52.09 | caphuso | gpm: by putting the magic string "man " before it? |
| 16:52.21 | stew | oooh magic! |
| 16:52.22 | gpm | ricky_clarkson: no, grip is only for ripping. cdrecord or one of its fronteneds are for ripping |
| 16:52.23 | caphuso | gpm: that's, more or less, exactly what grep does |
| 16:52.34 | ricky_clarkson | gpm: Can you rephrase that? |
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| 16:52.54 | caphuso | it finds text in files |
| 16:52.58 | gpm | ricky_clarkson: you can only rip from a cd with grip. to write to a cd you need cdrecord or one of its frontends |
| 16:53.06 | jim | s/ripping$/burning |
| 16:53.08 | ricky_clarkson | gpm: Is there any frontend that does both? |
| 16:53.14 | valdyn | ricky_clarkson: that approach isnt suitable to make a 1:1 copy |
| 16:53.14 | Unskill3d | what's the name of this tiny wav/sound player for console? i cant remember |
| 16:53.22 | gpm | ricky_clarkson: not that i know of. |
| 16:53.27 | caphuso | Unskill3d: play? |
| 16:53.38 | stranger | realplayer is working as a charm |
| 16:53.40 | gpm | ricky_clarkson: again, "apt-cache search " is your friend |
| 16:53.43 | cristy | furrywolf, yes, you're righ..but i have a little problem.. when i run 'cat *.c | grep text'..it doesn''t show what file contains the text.. |
| 16:53.47 | jim | Unskill3d: alsaplayer? |
| 16:53.47 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe rebooting to Windows would be simpler. [why did I make this machine also a server?] |
| 16:53.47 | Unskill3d | caphuso: hmm i got another one last time |
| 16:53.53 | gpm | caphuso: grep does what man does? sorry if i'm being thick. |
| 16:53.56 | caphuso | cristy: don't use cat |
| 16:54.07 | caphuso | cristy: grep text *.c |
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| 16:54.15 | Unskill3d | jim: not that one |
| 16:54.21 | cristy | thanks simonrvn |
| 16:54.25 | Unskill3d | ah nevermind ill install play |
| 16:54.36 | gpm | cristy: he kids. |
| 16:54.41 | jim | cristy: look at what that does |
| 16:55.06 | cristy | ok, thanks a lot |
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| 16:55.31 | bgat | what are my options for swapping over a network connection with 2.6? Is swap-over-nfs gone? |
| 16:55.32 | jim | cristy: to see why that wouldn't print file names, try "cat *.c | more" |
| 16:55.59 | jim | then you might look at cat for some explanation |
| 16:56.08 | jim | man cat that is |
| 16:56.33 | jim | so it's not useless, but it doesn't do what you want |
| 16:56.46 | furrywolf | cristy: that's why I told you to use grep, not cat, didn't I? :) |
| 16:56.55 | greycat | cat's not useless, but it's usually used uselessly. |
| 16:57.05 | asg | !win greycat |
| 16:57.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
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| 16:57.29 | stew | jim: the useless part is that cat *.c | grep could be written as grep < *.c |
| 16:57.29 | jim | wow, you came up with three words in a row that start with us! |
| 16:57.31 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.31 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.34 | greycat | dear god. |
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| 16:57.59 | asg | greycat: spam with chunks |
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| 16:58.19 | gpm | greycat: bad times. |
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| 16:58.34 | greg_ | All; Hi |
| 16:58.44 | greycat | it's a pentium II 400MHz now |
| 16:58.58 | Shadow98 | caphuso: i think i may just use one of the free forums let them worry about the security |
| 16:59.10 | gpm | gotta love how debian runs even on the older boxen. |
| 16:59.12 | bgat | can anyone tell me if swap-over-nfs is supported in linux kernel 2.6? |
| 16:59.18 | gpm | bgat: yes |
| 16:59.32 | bgat | gpm: without the patches that were traditional in 2.4.x? |
| 16:59.36 | furrywolf | swap-over-nfs? sounds like a trip to the dentist... |
| 16:59.51 | greycat | or the asylum |
| 16:59.59 | bgat | furrywolf: oh, the dentist's trip is much better. except when you really need to swap, that is. |
| 17:00.07 | jim | bgat: swap-over-nfs?! |
| 17:00.31 | gpm | bgat: not sure. it's doable though. as you might guess, we wouldn't recommend it. |
| 17:00.43 | bgat | jim: yea. you have an nfs-mounted root filesystem, and a swapfile in that filesystem. so if the kernel swaps, the swapped stuff actually goes out to the NFS server. |
| 17:01.04 | bgat | gpm: I realize it isn't the preferred solution. :^) |
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| 17:01.19 | jim | that's just so wrong :) are you using it for a one-time thing which you'll never use again? |
| 17:01.20 | gpm | bgat: actually. i don't see it in my menuconfig. i was mistaken sorry. |
| 17:01.30 | gpm | bgat: i guess you need a "non-preferred solutions" patch |
| 17:01.36 | gpm | bgat: sorry. |
| 17:01.53 | bgat | gpm: but I develop diskless workstations, and being able to swap over nfs reduces the sysadmin's need to set up an nbd server, for example. |
| 17:02.15 | greycat | bgat: ask a linux kernel hacker channel, then. |
| 17:02.19 | bgat | my systems don't swap very often, but when it happens it's better to let it happen then have the system die. |
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| 17:02.24 | greycat | e.g. #kernelnewbies on OFTC |
| 17:02.26 | gpm | bgat: wish i could help ya |
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| 17:02.35 | bgat | ok, I'll go ask over there. thanks! |
| 17:02.41 | jim | bgat: so you're looking to put this in -production-? |
| 17:02.55 | greycat | jim: smile and nod. back away slowly. |
| 17:03.02 | bgat | jim: well, er, yea. kinda. I mean.... blush |
| 17:03.35 | jim | how much ram do these things have? |
| 17:03.37 | bgat | it's a bit of an exotic system. quite off the beaten path |
| 17:03.45 | bgat | 32M |
| 17:03.55 | bgat | ... on a good day. |
| 17:04.07 | bgat | simonrvn: with 2.4.x kernels, I presume? |
| 17:04.13 | simonrvn | x term server with lotsa ram ;) |
| 17:04.17 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 17:04.34 | stranger | should I install realplayer a root or a normal user? |
| 17:04.35 | bgat | yep yep yep. similar application, except for the "lotsa ram" part. Still running mostly remote applications |
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| 17:05.07 | jim | it -should- be ok if the box is running remote only |
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| 17:06.05 | simonrvn | 0.5 GB or more. this was a small testing application, so 512 MB was plenty. clients were p2 and p1. |
| 17:06.44 | bgat | it's just that the the box has a few locally-connected peripherals that, under certain conditions, might momentarially eat more than the available memory. |
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| 17:07.14 | simonrvn | yeh, i can imagine |
| 17:07.39 | bgat | and I can't see where anyone is supporting swap-over-nfs in 2.6 |
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| 17:07.45 | simonrvn | @comfort ricky_clarkson |
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| 17:07.47 | ravenbird | There, there, ricky_clarkson. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 17:08.01 | simonrvn | i haven't seen it |
| 17:08.03 | mazagon | hola?? |
| 17:08.10 | Justasien | hello everyone |
| 17:08.10 | bgat | howdy |
| 17:08.13 | aardvark | !es |
| 17:08.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:08.20 | Rickyx | Can we have two ethernet with two different gateways on the same machine ? |
| 17:08.35 | valdyn | Rickyx: sure |
| 17:08.41 | Justasien | I have an interesting apt-get problem I need to fix.. :) |
| 17:08.43 | simonrvn | yup. multi-homed |
| 17:08.50 | Rickyx | I'm in trouble then. It's not working for me. |
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| 17:09.02 | Rickyx | I have a remote server with two ethernet cards. One has a public IP and the other one has a private. The private IP is connected to another machine with private IP 10.1.1.20. |
| 17:09.09 | Rawplayer | Rickyx: you try'd the larc manuals? |
| 17:09.11 | Rawplayer | lartc |
| 17:09.15 | bgat | c-ya |
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| 17:09.20 | mops | which package(plugin) do I need to get working java in mozilla? |
| 17:09.21 | Rickyx | This machine has IP 10.1.1.21 with gateway 10.1.1.20 in it. |
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| 17:10.04 | mops | because I get an errors like: this page contains info of type application/x-java/vm that can be viewed only with appropriate plugin |
| 17:10.10 | stew | !topicsmite mops |
| 17:10.11 | Rickyx | Rawplayer: sorry, but whats that ?? :( |
| 17:10.12 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mops. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:10.20 | Rawplayer | www.lartc.org |
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| 17:10.27 | Rawplayer | !lartc |
| 17:10.27 | dpkg | it has been said that lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 17:10.43 | simonrvn | oh boy, rime-tde tards |
| 17:10.55 | opqdonut | i've got portmapper running but nothing (no nfs etc) using it. is it a security risk? |
| 17:11.06 | greycat | opqdonut: only if you find an exploit. |
| 17:11.13 | greycat | (or if someone else does) |
| 17:11.17 | mops | stew: so java isn't available? |
| 17:11.20 | valdyn | Rickyx: that looks ok, its all in your routing i guess, "route" |
| 17:11.28 | stew | mops: did you /msg dpkg java? |
| 17:11.36 | pipeline | opqdonut: You won't know about an exploit before it's too late. Exploits are fun that way. |
| 17:11.36 | Rickyx | valdyn: here's the route output |
| 17:11.47 | Rickyx | ns1:~# route -n |
| 17:11.47 | Rickyx | Kernel IP routing table |
| 17:11.47 | Rickyx | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 17:11.47 | Rickyx | 66.27.52.xx 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 17:11.47 | Rickyx | 10.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 17:11.48 | Rickyx | 0.0.0.0 10.1.1.20 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 17:11.50 | MobyTurbo | opqdonut: although it happens infrequently, there was an exploit of portmap in the past |
| 17:11.51 | valdyn | !tell Rickyx about paste |
| 17:11.52 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 17:11.57 | valdyn | hah |
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| 17:12.05 | opqdonut | greycat: well, what's its security history? |
| 17:12.12 | ^rob^ | hi |
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| 17:12.33 | stranger | amule is installed, and I can connect to server and search and choose for download.. but all I get is status waiting.. something wrong? |
| 17:12.36 | Justasien | I am new here, sorry, what do I need to do to post a small snippet of my problem? |
| 17:12.42 | Rickyx | sorry guys, didn't no pasting here is an offense |
| 17:12.44 | greycat | opqdonut: it's been in widespread use for 20 years now. |
| 17:12.45 | mops | stew: I only need plugin for mozilla, is it available? |
| 17:12.45 | Rickyx | :( |
| 17:12.48 | jim | Rickyx: how many people are on this channel? |
| 17:12.53 | ^rob^ | i have a BiiiG dilema - firewall down, all on accept, httpd is running - and from remote - lynx say - can't connect to my httpd or ftp - local works |
| 17:13.04 | opqdonut | greycat: so has telnet |
| 17:13.18 | greycat | opqdonut: telnetd has no exploits. It's just insecure by design due to plaintext passwords. |
| 17:13.20 | Rickyx | jim: my apologies for the ignorance |
| 17:13.31 | opqdonut | greycat: ok. you win :) |
| 17:13.39 | Rawplayer | ofcourse |
| 17:13.43 | Rawplayer | he always wins :) |
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| 17:13.48 | jim | rickyx: no problem... btw, the answer is 830 |
| 17:13.53 | MobyTurbo | greycat: actually, netcat-telnet had an exploit a week or two ago, but I forgot if it was the client or the server. |
| 17:13.58 | valdyn | Rickyx: looks like almost everything is directed to eth1 |
| 17:14.03 | directhex | not always. i send all the answers via private message |
| 17:14.05 | ^rob^ | ?? |
| 17:14.18 | MobyTurbo | s/netcat/netkit |
| 17:14.20 | stew | mops: you need a full java runtime for that; follow the instructions in /msg dpkg java; java cannot be distributed by debian becuase its non-free |
| 17:14.21 | greycat | MobyTurbo: nobody with sense runs in.telnetd on an internet-facing box any more |
| 17:14.27 | MobyTurbo | greycat: true |
| 17:14.30 | Rickyx | jim: what is 830 ? |
| 17:14.32 | Justin | ^rob^: call your isp |
| 17:14.35 | mops | stew: thankie |
| 17:14.42 | valdyn | Rickyx: thats not what you want i assume |
| 17:14.47 | Rickyx | valdyn: but how to change it ? |
| 17:14.48 | greycat | MobyTurbo: and likewise, nobody lets portmap face the internet. firewalls can block it quite easily. |
| 17:14.53 | jim | Rickyx: the number of people in this channel |
| 17:15.14 | directhex | there are 827 people in #debian |
| 17:15.24 | Rickyx | valdyn: yes, in /etc/network/interfaces, I define separate gateways for each interface. Isn't that the correcty way ? |
| 17:15.31 | valdyn | Rickyx: which networks is 10.1.1.20 supposed to link to? |
| 17:15.41 | jim | well there are a coupla bots and maybe a few people have multiple clients |
| 17:16.13 | jim | but there are definitely 824 now |
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| 17:16.16 | Rickyx | 10.1.1.20 is another machine with this ip. |
| 17:16.23 | Justasien | Unpacking replacement frozen-bubble-data ... |
| 17:16.26 | Justasien | mv: cannot stat `/usr/games/frozen-bubble.wav': No such file or directory |
| 17:16.29 | MobyTurbo | greycat: they should remove portmap from the stuff that dselect installs. It's one of the reasons why I don't use dselect. |
| 17:16.30 | Justasien | dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 17:16.35 | Justasien | dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... |
| 17:16.39 | Justasien | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/frozen-bubble-data_1.0.0-6_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 17:16.42 | ^rob^ | Justin - thanx |
| 17:16.43 | Justasien | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:16.47 | Justasien | preinst called with unknown argument `abort-upgrade' |
| 17:16.51 | Justasien | dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 17:16.51 | jim | Justasien: how many people are on this channel?! |
| 17:16.51 | Justasien | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.51 | Justasien | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 17:16.51 | taddeus | hi all |
| 17:16.51 | Justasien | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.52 | Justasien | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 17:16.57 | ^rob^ | I will - i put ftp on port 2020 - it works |
| 17:17.00 | directhex | !beer dondelelcaro |
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| 17:17.09 | simonrvn | plonk |
| 17:17.15 | directhex | !info frozen-bubble-data sarge |
| 17:17.17 | dpkg | frozen-bubble-data: (Data files for Frozen-Bubble), section games, is extra. Version: 1.0.0-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 5034 kB, Installed size: 7224 kB |
| 17:17.21 | greycat | simonrvn: no no... with *stars8! |
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| 17:17.29 | simonrvn | damn, forgot the stars |
| 17:17.30 | Rickyx | valdyn: 10.1.1.20 is another machine with this ip. this machine (10.1.1.21) is connected to it using eth1. thats why I gave here 10.1.1.20 as the gw |
| 17:17.31 | stew | Rickyx: you should only be defining one gateway in interfaces, if you are multi homed, you need to start reading on lartc.org |
| 17:17.36 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 17:17.38 | Justasien | oppps. I thought I did a /msg |
| 17:17.38 | dondelelcaro | Justasien: please do *not* paste here. |
| 17:17.42 | Alfred1881 | did anyone ever do an KDEupgrade with Konstruct ? how many days (hours) took it ? |
| 17:17.47 | directhex | hm, broken sarge packages. |
| 17:17.49 | Justasien | I THOUGHT I did a /msg dpkg |
| 17:17.52 | Justasien | I do apologize |
| 17:17.57 | Justasien | it didn't not paste correctly |
| 17:17.58 | greycat | oooh! |
| 17:18.08 | valdyn | Rickyx: a gateway is supposed to link to another network segment , which one in case of your 10.1.1.20 gw ? |
| 17:18.09 | directhex | Alfred1881, that's not a debian question. debian users use "packages" |
| 17:18.11 | MobyTurbo | Justasien: what makes you think a bot could help with a paste? |
| 17:18.12 | greycat | Justasien: pasting your crap to the bot wouldn't help you even if you *did* manage to do it properly. |
| 17:18.21 | directhex | Justasien, why would a blootbot care about your paste? |
| 17:18.21 | Alfred1881 | oops |
| 17:18.35 | Justasien | fine.. I apologize for thinking to read the topic.. have a nice day I will find my answers elsewhere |
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| 17:18.52 | stew | Rickyx: "other machine with this ip"... you don't have two machines with the same ip address, do you? |
| 17:18.58 | dondelelcaro | Justasien: fix /var/lib/dpkg/info/frozen-bubble-data.postrm; so that it doesn't stat the frozen-bubble.wav file. |
| 17:19.07 | directhex | ah, the "i'm a paying customer damnit" troll |
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| 17:19.18 | Rickyx | valdyn: I don't understand much. I've one machine with 3 ethernet devices which has eth1 as 10.1.1.20 |
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| 17:19.26 | jim | dondelelcaro: yeah, especially since he's gone :) |
| 17:19.38 | greycat | what on earth did he think dpkg was going to do after he flooded it with error messages? |
| 17:19.49 | simonrvn | directhex: which one? |
| 17:19.52 | valdyn | Rickyx: look, a gateway, is a gate loading elsewhere, WHERE to is it supposed to lead? |
| 17:19.57 | dondelelcaro | greycat: it's a blootbot. It's got heavy juju. |
| 17:19.58 | valdyn | Rickyx: look, a gateway, is a gate leading elsewhere, WHERE to is it supposed to lead? |
| 17:20.02 | jim | he could have mistook it for a person |
| 17:20.04 | Rickyx | valdyn: the other machine has 2 ethernet devices among which eth1 is connected to the eth1 device of the previous machine. This machine is having IP 10.1.1.21 and GW 10.1.1.20 |
| 17:20.10 | directhex | greycat, well, "<Justasien> fine.. I apologize for thinking to read the topic.. have a nice day I will find my answers elsewhere" means he was obeying the topic bit saying "/msg bots NOT people" |
| 17:20.12 | greycat | !8ball is your juju better than apt's mojo? |
| 17:20.13 | dpkg | Negative. |
| 17:20.17 | MobyTurbo | greycat: maybe he thought that since it was a dpkg error, he should message dpkg |
| 17:20.32 | greycat | MobyTurbo: that's scary. |
| 17:20.34 | Rickyx | valdyn: isn't this the correct way to configure ? |
| 17:20.37 | simonrvn | duh... he took it literally |
| 17:20.44 | directhex | simonrvn, yes. |
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| 17:20.59 | valdyn | Rickyx: i cant know since youre not telling me, i can guess what your want maybe |
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| 17:21.22 | valdyn | Rickyx: "route del default eth1 && route add default eth0" see if that fixes something |
| 17:21.26 | dondelelcaro | greycat: apparently apt is quite the swinger |
| 17:21.36 | Rickyx | valdyn: okay, I'll paste my settings on #flood. there you can see it. |
| 17:21.45 | greycat | ~8ball is your mojo better than dpkg's juju? |
| 17:21.47 | apt | Are you smoking crack? |
| 17:21.49 | directhex | where does ravenbird fit in then? |
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| 17:21.55 | vs_zach | hey |
| 17:21.58 | valdyn | Rickyx: i dont want them, i only want to know where your "gw" is supposed to lead to |
| 17:22.01 | omer07 | i see in "info center" , siemens sx1 but i couldn't see the files in phone, how can i see |
| 17:22.09 | vs_zach | i tried to install fluxbox via apt-get install |
| 17:22.21 | vs_zach | and it installed 1.14, a really old version |
| 17:22.35 | directhex | !info fluxbox sarge |
| 17:22.37 | dpkg | fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 645 kB, Installed size: 2036 kB |
| 17:22.48 | directhex | !info fluxbox sid |
| 17:22.50 | dpkg | fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 645 kB, Installed size: 2036 kB |
| 17:22.54 | vs_zach | im on sarge |
| 17:23.01 | vs_zach | how do i download it |
| 17:23.05 | vs_zach | or where |
| 17:23.15 | vs_zach | i cant find an apt-get source |
| 17:23.16 | omer07 | ? |
| 17:23.19 | MobyTurbo | vs_zach: I don't think you're on sarge |
| 17:23.23 | vs_zach | o |
| 17:23.23 | valdyn | Rickyx: computer1<->gateway<->what is here supposed to be? |
| 17:23.25 | vs_zach | ubuntu |
| 17:23.31 | directhex | vs_zach, what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 17:23.32 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
| 17:23.36 | directhex | vs_zach, go away. |
| 17:23.36 | jim | vs_zach: what's ubuntu? |
| 17:23.39 | MobyTurbo | !ubuntu |
| 17:23.39 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 17:23.52 | taddeus | anyone know some good software to drive stepper motors via parallel port ? |
| 17:24.09 | dondelelcaro | jim: some sort of complex baseball manuver |
| 17:24.09 | FlycKER | !help |
| 17:24.10 | jim | taddeus: gcc |
| 17:24.14 | MobyTurbo | jim: it's another distro that people confuse with Debian |
| 17:24.18 | valdyn | Rickyx: let me know if the above commands fixed anything btw |
| 17:24.23 | dondelelcaro | "you bunt, you!" |
| 17:24.29 | pipeline | taddeus: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ioctl&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+5.3-RELEASE+and+Ports&format=html |
| 17:24.29 | taddeus | jim: that's a compiler ? :\ |
| 17:24.34 | jim | yes :) |
| 17:24.43 | jim | so what am I implying? :) |
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| 17:25.03 | pipeline | taddeus: You'll probably want a stepper motor driver chip, too. |
| 17:25.14 | pipeline | taddeus: Doing it entirely from the parallel port is going to get really, really ugly. |
| 17:25.18 | jim | you know tho, there must be something out there |
| 17:25.29 | directhex | a 9v battery and some wire! |
| 17:25.30 | pipeline | I doubt it. |
| 17:25.37 | pipeline | That's something that it would be easiest just to write it yourself |
| 17:25.39 | pipeline | So who would pass the code on? |
| 17:25.51 | taddeus | pipeline: i would use an uln2003 to drive a small stepper to move a webcam |
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| 17:26.19 | jim | so the parallel port is connected to the uln2003? |
| 17:26.19 | Rickyx | valdyn: that command deletes the additional entry in the routing table. But then is my question. |
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| 17:26.29 | taddeus | jim: yes |
| 17:26.47 | valdyn | Rickyx: and? do things "work" now? |
| 17:26.47 | taddeus | it's a small hw interface |
| 17:26.49 | Rickyx | valdyn: How do I communicate to the other machine's eth1(10.1.1.20) through my eth1(10.1.1.20) ?? |
| 17:26.50 | jim | and this is a driver chip like pipeline is suggesting? |
| 17:27.06 | jim | oh, ok |
| 17:27.17 | valdyn | Rickyx: communicate with what? you want eth1 and eth0 both go to the internet? |
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| 17:27.29 | jim | so then you're really looking for programs that drive the chip |
| 17:27.37 | taddeus | yes |
| 17:27.42 | Rickyx | valdyn: no, eth0 goes to internet, eth1 should go to the other machine. |
| 17:27.56 | valdyn | Rickyx: why a gateway then? |
| 17:28.00 | jim | sometimes you can get evaluation kits |
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| 17:28.03 | taddeus | google report something but are very outdated |
| 17:28.07 | valdyn | Rickyx: you dont seem to need that one |
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| 17:28.42 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 17:28.45 | Shay | Guys; if I use netcat and dd to make an image of a whole disk, over the net (as in; dd if=/dev/hda1 | gzip | netcat <remote host> <remote port> and configuring the remote host in listening mode), then, I format the local partition, make it bigger, and then copy back the image and uncompress it, there won't be any issue, right? |
| 17:28.45 | Rickyx | valdyn: but then it doesn't ping the other machines interface.. |
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| 17:29.11 | Shay | I mean, I just need to uncompress with gunzip and the data will be all back to the disk? |
| 17:29.18 | Gathond | Shay: the filesystem will retain the old size |
| 17:29.18 | jim | Shay: don't use dd, use tar |
| 17:29.31 | valdyn | Rickyx: internet is accessible now? |
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| 17:29.36 | Rickyx | yes. |
| 17:29.39 | Shay | Gathond; wath do you mean? |
| 17:29.43 | Gathond | Shay: so unless the filesystem supports resizing it will gain you nothing (just a note to be aware of) |
| 17:29.43 | Rickyx | valdyn: yes |
| 17:29.46 | valdyn | Rickyx: paste your current "route" ( not here ) |
| 17:29.47 | Shay | jim; how would the command be? |
| 17:29.57 | Rickyx | valdyn: okay |
| 17:30.07 | jim | what partition? /dev/hda1? |
| 17:30.16 | jim | and where is it mounted? |
| 17:30.21 | Gathond | Shay: that partition size and filesystem size are 2 different things, and DD copies the entire filesystem, with file allocation table and stuff, so its size will be restored as well |
| 17:30.25 | rj-away | Rickyx: Both machines have their eth1 set to the same IP? |
| 17:30.43 | Rickyx | valdyn: I've pasted it. |
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| 17:30.52 | Rickyx | rj-away: no, they are different |
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| 17:31.06 | Shay | Gathond; the point is that I'm doing this because the filesystem that the partition has is ReiserFS, and I'm tired of it, I want to transform it to ext3 |
| 17:31.16 | Eclipser | hmpf |
| 17:31.33 | Gathond | Shay: then dd wont work, as that will copy the entire reiserfs filesystem, not just the files |
| 17:31.42 | jim | Shay: is the partition mounted? if so, where? |
| 17:31.43 | Gathond | Shay: just use tar as others have suggested |
| 17:31.44 | Shay | Gathond; plus, I'm making the partition bigger, deleting two and making a big new one |
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| 17:31.59 | pipeline | Shay: You probably want to use two tar commands linked by a pipe. |
| 17:32.09 | Shay | jim; I'm going to do that via knoppix |
| 17:32.17 | jim | doesn't matter |
| 17:32.19 | jim | Shay: is the partition mounted? if so, where? |
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| 17:32.21 | Shay | jim; so I'll mount the partition somewhere in /mnt |
| 17:32.30 | jim | the old one? |
| 17:32.32 | Shay | let's say, /mnt/hda2 |
| 17:32.33 | Shay | yeah |
| 17:32.36 | jim | ok |
| 17:32.38 | raf256 | how can I set limit of memory usage of my program (running in own shell) to say 200 MB? |
| 17:32.46 | raf256 | ulimit -f 200 ? |
| 17:32.49 | Gathond | raf256: ulimit ... something :) |
| 17:32.50 | jim | where is it INTENDED to be mounted? |
| 17:32.54 | pipeline | Shay: e.g. -- cd victim; tar -cpf - * | (cd target; tar -xvpf -) |
| 17:32.54 | jim | in fact |
| 17:33.04 | jim | where are BOTH intended to be mounted now? |
| 17:33.23 | Eclipser | erf |
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| 17:33.32 | bancus | is there a channel for the hurd port? |
| 17:33.32 | FZ | hi |
| 17:33.33 | Shay | then I'll umount it, delete them both (hda1 and hda2), make a new big one, format it as ext3, and I want to put the data back |
| 17:33.38 | Gathond | raf256: -f is file size here, so no :) byt -m seems to be kbytes memory |
| 17:33.40 | FZ | any gnuplot experts over there? |
| 17:33.43 | Shay | so I guess that I'll mount the new one as /dev/hda1 |
| 17:33.44 | Shay | err |
| 17:33.47 | Shay | /mnt/hda1 |
| 17:33.50 | jim | pipeline: you probably need -l in the tar invocation |
| 17:34.08 | jim | Shay: |
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| 17:34.16 | jim | are the partitions in use now? |
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| 17:34.27 | FZ | or which channel is better to ask a question about gnuplot? |
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| 17:34.34 | Shay | jim; I need to move the image to another machine in the network, so I can reformat the disk |
| 17:34.40 | pipeline | jim: I'd never noticed the option. I'd always done it by hand when copying a root filesystem. |
| 17:34.47 | MobyTurbo | FZ: try google first |
| 17:34.51 | jim | Shay: you're not answering the question |
| 17:34.53 | pipeline | jim: That does have the small problem that it won't copy device nodes, though. |
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| 17:35.10 | jim | pipeline: sure it will |
| 17:35.11 | taddeus | jim: i found a library at http://www.raphnet.net/programmation/libstepper/libstepper_en.html#download |
| 17:35.19 | Shay | jim; the local partition won't be in use because I won't mounted, only if needed |
| 17:35.22 | taddeus | maybe work under Debian |
| 17:35.22 | jim | taddeus: nice :) |
| 17:35.24 | Shay | jim; you tell me what your plan is |
| 17:35.38 | FZ | MobyTurbo, tried it first... thanks for the enlightening advice... |
| 17:35.38 | taddeus | but has no apps :\ |
| 17:35.46 | pipeline | jim: Never mind, this is the age of devfs and tmpfs on /dev |
| 17:35.50 | raf256 | Gathond: yeah, I ment -m... and what about -s stack size? |
| 17:36.04 | raf256 | -m meory size have -s counted into it or are they separate? |
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| 17:36.10 | jim | Shay: I don't have one, and won't until I have the information I need, or I get too hungry for breakfast, whichever comes first |
| 17:36.20 | raf256 | -s 8192 default limit is quite resonable probably? |
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| 17:36.34 | Shay | jim; can we talk in query? |
| 17:36.46 | greg_ | bancus: ask #hurd-l4 |
| 17:36.47 | Gathond | raf256: dont know about that |
| 17:36.51 | Chrissy2k5 | hey i just did apt-get install samba ... and the samba server is runnin ... i am tryin to map a network drive on my xp home pc to my box(runnin samba) .... in the authentication box when i add \\192.168.1.4\share in the map network drive wizard what do i enter as a username and password ?¿ |
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| 17:37.07 | jim | if and ONLY if you're going to be quick responding, and will answer the question I ask |
| 17:37.08 | MobyTurbo | FZ: try next www.google.com/linux - which will narrow it down to mailing lists and such |
| 17:37.16 | Shay | sure :) |
| 17:37.22 | jim | if not tell me NOW, because I'm hungry |
| 17:37.48 | zinx | !hurry |
| 17:37.48 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 17:38.38 | cristy | i have a problem..my dhcp3-server uses a lot of my processor..50-60%...and i don't know .why..L* |
| 17:38.55 | stew | Chrissy2k5: you need to setup a uname / pw with smbpasswd |
| 17:38.58 | dondelelcaro | cristy: have you checked the logs? |
| 17:39.06 | cristy | what logs? |
| 17:39.32 | cristy | i've just restarted sysklogd..because...it users..35-40% of my processor |
| 17:39.42 | dondelelcaro | cristy: /var/log/dhcp; or /var/log/daemon; depending on what you're actually doing. |
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| 17:40.24 | Roey | hi |
| 17:40.30 | Chrissy2k5 | thanks stew |
| 17:40.48 | lestest_ | hi there ... do you know the site with old web pages cached? |
| 17:40.53 | Roey | can anyone help me out with this smb:// problem? I'm having trouble connecting to a samba share in KDE. I can mount it with CIFS at the command line, but I cannot connect to a resource with KDE's smb://. |
| 17:40.54 | jla | I found out that apt-listbugs was removed from unstable due to rc bugs when the developer was busy. Odd that it isn't in the ftp logs though. |
| 17:41.00 | jla | I mean from testing |
| 17:41.01 | lestest_ | what's its name webcache???? |
| 17:41.21 | simonrvn | waybackmachine? |
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| 17:41.46 | xam | lestest_ |
| 17:41.50 | xam | lestest_: http://www.archive.org/web/web.php |
| 17:41.51 | lestest_ | simonrvn where you get old pages |
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| 17:41.55 | cristy | dondelelcaro, and another weird thing .. my resolv.conf is empty .. |
| 17:41.57 | lestest_ | xam |
| 17:42.00 | Chrissy2k5 | i still cant get it workin stew .. i enter the username chris and password ****** and then i click ok .. and it tries a Gimme a second then it goes back to authentication box |
| 17:42.01 | lestest_ | tahnkz |
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| 17:43.04 | leitao | please, how can i all ports a process is listen to ? how can i do it without lsof? |
| 17:43.19 | greycat | leitao: read the source code. |
| 17:43.31 | greycat | or ask root to run lsof for you |
| 17:43.42 | stew | Chrissy2k5: i dunno, check the logs |
| 17:43.50 | greycat | oh hell, you dont' even have to *BE* root! |
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| 17:43.59 | greycat | you can lsof your own processes just fine on Debian. |
| 17:44.04 | Chrissy2k5 | stew where bouts ?¿ |
| 17:44.30 | leitao | greycat ;: netstat fives me no tips? |
| 17:44.40 | greycat | leitao: WHY don't you want to use lsof? |
| 17:45.07 | raf256 | strange, I set ulimit -m 1024 and still my program eats up all system memory (instead of beeing terminated) |
| 17:45.16 | stew | Chrissy2k5: uhh /var/log/samba... |
| 17:45.19 | raf256 | I set ulimit -m 1024 in shell script, that call the ./application binary |
| 17:45.32 | Chrissy2k5 | ta |
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| 17:45.48 | greycat | raf256: try "ulimit -v 1024000" |
| 17:46.37 | doleyb | leitao: try "netstat -tap" or "nmap localhost" ? |
| 17:46.52 | greycat | I really doubt you'd get very far with a raw-memory ulimit of 1024, even if that did what you thought it did. |
| 17:47.07 | caphuso | a limit of 1024KiB is way too low |
| 17:47.24 | greycat | and a -m limit doesn't do shit. |
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| 17:48.20 | nayyares | howto make a user almost equal in power to root user ? infact i am confuz with the useradd command ? |
| 17:48.42 | Rickyx | nayyares: create it with uid 0 |
| 17:48.48 | Gathond | nayyares: install and configure sudo or super, depending on desire and/or need |
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| 17:49.26 | Rickyx | nayyares: but sudo it the optimal solution |
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| 17:49.34 | nayyares | Rickyx, will keep gid 0 ? |
| 17:49.46 | nayyares | Gathond, sudo? |
| 17:50.18 | Gathond | nayyares: it is the name of a program |
| 17:50.36 | Rickyx | nayyares: adduser --uid 0 --gid 0 "your username" |
| 17:50.44 | nayyares | infact i want to install a package and i am not interested to do it with root :( |
| 17:50.44 | stew | nayyares: what does "almost equal" mean? |
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| 17:50.50 | Rickyx | nayyares: but use sudo |
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| 17:51.11 | caphuso | nayyares: if you do it with UID 0, then you are doing it as root |
| 17:51.22 | greycat | nayyares: but you SHOULD be using sudo instead. |
| 17:51.35 | Gathond | nayyares: then install it somewhere your user have write access |
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| 17:52.15 | Rickyx | nayyares: by packages you mean what package ? A .deb ?? |
| 17:52.31 | TheZanke | i need some help trying to get x to work on a scsi server with and nvidia geforce 4 mx 440 |
| 17:52.42 | Gathond | nayyares: if the program is in non .deb format then put yourself in the staff group and put it in /usr/local, else you do want to do it as root |
| 17:52.47 | greycat | why would you want X on a server? |
| 17:53.08 | TheZanke | it not Really a server it use to be an old windows server |
| 17:53.15 | TheZanke | just a big tower pc now |
| 17:53.27 | greycat | TheZanke: install sarge. |
| 17:53.35 | TheZanke | meh? |
| 17:53.44 | greycat | woody doesn't support the geforce 4 |
| 17:53.45 | TheZanke | i am not too good with linux yet |
| 17:53.45 | luulis | what could be the reason for nfs over 100mbit network being extremely slow, it takes like 5-10min to ls a dir with ~150 files from the client machine |
| 17:53.59 | ziggy1 | Has anyone seen any info on getting a pcHDTV 3000 tuner card to work on Sarge? |
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| 17:54.13 | TheZanke | how do i check what i have, sarge or woody |
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| 17:54.33 | stew | ziggy1: you might wanna ask in mythtv-users |
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| 17:57.35 | nayyares | Gathond, infact i am interested to install guile new release and i want it in separate directory, will it work with old version if i kept it in different direcoty.? |
| 17:57.55 | dos4gw | TheZanke: use this. http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:58.18 | nayyares | Rickyx, guile is not in .deb :( |
| 17:58.37 | Rickyx | nayyares: what format is it in ? |
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| 17:59.10 | nayyares | Rickyx, it is source , i have to built it. |
| 17:59.37 | takatumi | !d-i TheZanke |
| 17:59.37 | dpkg | TheZanke, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:59.57 | Rickyx | nayyares: then you can do that as a normal user also under your home directory where you have rw permissions. |
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| 18:00.27 | Rickyx | nayyares: just use --prefix=/home/nayyares option when running the configure script. |
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| 18:02.22 | nayyares | Rickyx, one more thing as after installtion i will have two different version of guile, which one will be then activated when i will run guile ? |
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| 18:03.30 | Rickyx | nayyares: I don't know much about guile but the process is universal. When you install this new version it will reside somewhere, say in /home/nayyares/guile-xx/bin/ |
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| 18:03.44 | Rickyx | nayyares: just use this full path to execute guile. that should work |
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| 18:04.51 | stew | !wayc nayyares |
| 18:04.52 | dpkg | nayyares: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 18:07.29 | nayyares | dpkg, most of you will mind it , but infact i am installing it on FC3 :( |
| 18:08.00 | nayyares | dpkg, and yum/apt repository d'nt have latest guile version. |
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| 18:09.02 | stew | karsten: you can probably add a rule to just send anything > 100 to /dev/null :) |
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| 18:09.38 | furrywolf | karsten: a relative of a nigerian diplomat selling you penis enlargement pills to congratulate you on your foreign lottery winnings that also include a list of 10,000,000 email addresses and a new home morgatage refinancing? |
| 18:09.45 | greycat | I've never seen a spamassassin score in the triple digits |
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| 18:10.14 | greycat | furrywolf: and a rolex |
| 18:10.22 | furrywolf | lol |
| 18:10.40 | furrywolf | that reminds me. I still need to code that fake bank. |
| 18:10.48 | karsten | stew: But, but, but... You might miss something important! |
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| 18:12.40 | furrywolf | I want to set up a fake bank. when a 419 scammer emails me, I give him my account/pin at that fake bank. he logs in, and sees I have a few million dollars on my fake bank statement. when the obvious request for $15,000 bribe/demurrage/whatever comes, I tell him I'll get my bank to wire it right away. he logs in, and sees the $15,000 withdrawal with a note that it's being transfered overseas. |
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| 18:13.10 | furrywolf | the next day the "bank manager" emails the scammer, saying that in order to send that sum overseas, the recipient must first pay a $75 transfer fee... |
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| 18:13.49 | dheeraj | anyone seeing problems with kernel-package in sid ? |
| 18:13.53 | karsten | furrywolf: It was actually a misdirected bounce based on a paypall phish. |
| 18:14.03 | aardvark | !tell dheeraj about sid faq |
| 18:14.07 | valdyn | dheeraj: like what? |
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| 18:14.27 | dheeraj | valdyn: make-kpkg kernel_image fails with some cp errors ? |
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| 18:14.35 | plaur | furrywolf: this kind of stuff is just as illegal as what 419ers do; you can get in real legal trouble... |
| 18:14.37 | Roey | what names... aadrvark, furrywolf, ironfroggy, etc. ;) |
| 18:14.48 | zzyber | how can i remove something with apt-get without removing dependencies, the truth is im using ubuntu and trying to remove openoffice but apt also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, is there a way |
| 18:15.02 | asg | zzyber: #ubuntu please |
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| 18:15.21 | valdyn | zzyber: thats a metapackage likely, doesnt hurt to remove it |
| 18:15.22 | furrywolf | plaur: somehow I doubt the nigerian government is going to try to get me extradited for attempting to extract money from one of their 419 scammers. somehow I REALLY doubt it. |
| 18:15.41 | furrywolf | roey: I'm a wolf. your point? :P |
| 18:15.45 | asg | furrywolf: thought they were in .ro these days |
| 18:15.57 | zzyber | asg, i know...........but ubuntu is debian :-) And i didnt get any respons in #ubuntu |
| 18:16.03 | zzyber | valdyn, ok, thx |
| 18:16.36 | asg | zzyber: dpkg --force-help (you get to keep both halves if it breaks) |
| 18:16.36 | valdyn | zzyber: french is spanish is latin according to that logic |
| 18:16.38 | furrywolf | asg: hrmm. all the ones I get are nigerian... |
| 18:16.42 | Gathond | zzyber: no, ubuntu is derived from debian, there is a big difference |
| 18:16.45 | greycat | !start a pet war |
| 18:16.46 | dpkg | goldfish *own*! |
| 18:17.04 | zzyber | asg, thx |
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| 18:17.17 | zzyber | Gathond, ye ye |
| 18:17.43 | zamolxes | asg, no, but we do have some acm/ioi/csidc/linuxchallenge winners around here, if you come over i'll show you how good our beer is |
| 18:17.48 | furrywolf | in any case, attempting to extract an advance fee from an advance fee scammer seems unlikely to result in legal attention. except maybe lots of laughing and email circulation if the fee shows up. :P |
| 18:18.02 | zzyber | valdyn, be realistic..........and plz try ubuntu. Debian rules but for a desktop we can thank god for ubuntu |
| 18:18.04 | asg | zamolxes: mmmmmmm beer |
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| 18:18.26 | asg | zzyber: been using Debian as a desktop now for 4 or 5 years or so. |
| 18:18.29 | furrywolf | zzyber: you're asking to get banned. |
| 18:18.31 | MobyTurbo | !ubuntu |
| 18:18.31 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
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| 18:18.43 | raf256 | !spank zzyber |
| 18:18.50 | greycat | zzyber: pimping non-debian distros here is not likely to earn you friends. |
| 18:18.53 | valdyn | zzyber: distro proselyting is offtopic here. |
| 18:18.54 | furrywolf | and I've been using debian on all my desktops since when versions started with a 1. :) |
| 18:18.58 | dos4gw | what is so special about ubuntu? |
| 18:19.03 | greycat | dos4gw: nothing. |
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| 18:19.09 | plaur | furrywold: maybe you're right, from a practical point of view. i wouldn't risk it (especially if you try to fake a real bank's site, they take such things seriously...) |
| 18:19.10 | asg | dos4gw: it's new, therefore sexy |
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| 18:19.20 | zinx | dos4gw: many of its packages are different from debian's, and work in different ways |
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| 18:19.28 | zzyber | furrywolf, i know :-) But i couldnt be quiet. I have used debian for 15 years but i relly like ubuntu so. But guys!!!!! Debian still rules |
| 18:19.30 | zinx | dos4gw: and have different problems :) |
| 18:19.32 | Gathond | dos4gw: modified sarge in a nifty updated wrapper |
| 18:19.44 | asg | zzyber: debian hasn't been aroudn that long |
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| 18:19.46 | zzyber | take it easy guys |
| 18:19.47 | greycat | you have not used debian for 15 years, you liar. |
| 18:19.47 | furrywolf | plaur: of course not. I'd fake the Northern California Bank Of The Wholy Woodpecker or something. :P |
| 18:19.50 | asg | s/aroudn/around/ |
| 18:19.55 | zzyber | asg yes i t has |
| 18:20.00 | greycat | LINUX hasn't even existed in public form for 15 years. |
| 18:20.00 | asg | zzyber: erm, no it hasn't |
| 18:20.06 | guadalinex | wenas a todos |
| 18:20.07 | zzyber | asg............hmm |
| 18:20.23 | furrywolf | the only thing the bank would be used for is baiting 419 scammers. :) |
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| 18:20.26 | greycat | that's two strikes. |
| 18:20.28 | plaur | furrywolf: LOL |
| 18:20.35 | zzyber | asg, i have used it since potato -94 |
| 18:20.36 | karsten | greycat: Yeah, but job ads are now requiring _20_ years Linux experience.... ;-) |
| 18:20.43 | greycat | zzyber: another lie. |
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| 18:20.52 | asg | zzyber: http://www.debconf.org/10years/ |
| 18:21.03 | zzyber | Grey, sorry, it was slink |
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| 18:21.11 | greycat | that's quite enough. |
| 18:21.12 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 18:21.16 | zinx | zzyber: you've already lost credibility :/ |
| 18:21.17 | *** mode/#debian [+q zzyber!*@*] by greycat |
| 18:21.19 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 18:21.25 | valdyn | zzyber: stop trolling. |
| 18:21.37 | greycat | !release history |
| 18:21.37 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19). The next release will be Sarge. You can call Sarge+1 "Etch". See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 18:21.39 | paulswm | !beer greycat |
| 18:21.46 | aardvark | !bear paulswm |
| 18:21.55 | pipeline | http://img.penny-arcade.com/2002/20020722l.gif should be the topic. |
| 18:22.03 | paulswm | !prise aardvark |
| 18:22.08 | paulswm | :D |
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| 18:22.09 | pinks | what a waste of good guinnesss |
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| 18:22.16 | furrywolf | I think Bo was about when I started... installed it on my not-too-old 486... *feels like an old wolfy* :( |
| 18:22.21 | guadalinex | wenas |
| 18:22.29 | asg | !es |
| 18:22.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:22.31 | guadalinex | chicas |
| 18:22.38 | guadalinex | ablar con juanca |
| 18:22.39 | aardvark | isn't it a bit late for rimatards? |
| 18:22.55 | asg | aardvark: friday night of the nerds |
| 18:22.57 | pinks | !guinness |
| 18:22.57 | dpkg | it has been said that guinness is the best beer in the world |
| 18:22.59 | aardvark | :-| |
| 18:23.04 | pinks | see!!! |
| 18:23.09 | dos4gw | ha |
| 18:23.17 | dos4gw | dpkg must watch fox news |
| 18:23.20 | greycat | furrywolf: you started around the same time I did, so don't feel bad. |
| 18:23.25 | dos4gw | 'it has been said' |
| 18:23.25 | paulswm | asg: It was looking like Sunday a few hours ago :) |
| 18:23.31 | greycat | !tell guadalinex about es |
| 18:23.34 | asg | paulswm: yeah, I was in a meeting. |
| 18:23.35 | furrywolf | apt: what is furry? |
| 18:23.36 | apt | it has been said that furry is a large portion of OSS developers. (a large portion of the rest of the population is furry too, for that matter). For more information on furry culture, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom |
| 18:24.09 | ecivo | what way of installing a kernel would u recommend? make install or copying manually? |
| 18:24.14 | greycat | ecivo: no. |
| 18:24.18 | asg | ecivo: installing a debian kernel image |
| 18:24.21 | stew | ecivo: /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:24.34 | stew | ecivo: yeah, or better yet, apt-get a kernel image |
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| 18:24.42 | simonrvn | apt: botsnack |
| 18:24.42 | apt | simonrvn: thanks |
| 18:24.58 | furrywolf | I've never liked the debian kernel images... too long to boot, too much crap I don't have, etc. :) |
| 18:25.07 | ecivo | Hm, I like my kernel as I like my women: slim :b |
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| 18:25.24 | ecivo | so the image is droped... |
| 18:25.25 | asg | furrywolf: yes but you know what you are doing, this is not the case for most people hence debian kernel images. |
| 18:25.26 | refu | hola |
| 18:25.26 | TheZanke`nix | got X working!! |
| 18:25.26 | nemoznej | with big modules? |
| 18:25.29 | furrywolf | and the debian kernel images all have broken wacom support. |
| 18:25.31 | TheZanke`nix | yay for me! |
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| 18:25.51 | TheZanke`nix | wish it wasn't 800x600 though |
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| 18:26.02 | furrywolf | I have three usb tablets... no wacom support == bad. :) |
| 18:26.18 | paulswm | ecivo: there is a kernel building guide in the debian reference manual |
| 18:26.36 | greycat | furrywolf: because all the people in #fedora suck? |
| 18:26.45 | furrywolf | good answer :) |
| 18:26.50 | dos4gw | TheZanke'nix: you have to change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 18:26.59 | Gathond | furrywolf: because it is also almost a debian ? :) |
| 18:27.04 | ecivo | ok, thanks guys, just basically wanted to know if make install scress it all up... |
| 18:27.10 | greycat | ecivo: if you don't like debian kernels, you get to build your own, and you get to support them too. we won't help you. |
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| 18:27.17 | furrywolf | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3680&item=5186676415&rd=1 <== speaking of tablets, that's a damn good deal. |
| 18:27.21 | paulswm | !beat Gathond |
| 18:27.26 | paulswm | :P |
| 18:27.27 | stew | ecivo: /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:28.12 | ecivo | stew, thanks :) |
| 18:28.27 | Roey | furrywolf: ;) |
| 18:28.32 | Roey | furrywolf: and of course greycat. |
| 18:28.49 | Gathond | paulswm: thanks, I needed that :) |
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| 18:28.54 | furrywolf | surely I'm not the only fur in here? :) |
| 18:29.05 | Roey | there are others on this network. |
| 18:29.11 | Roey | they also have a channel |
| 18:29.11 | simonrvn | i'm a fur sympathiser |
| 18:29.14 | Roey | ah |
| 18:29.18 | MobyTurbo | furrywolf: you don't belong here, you're a furriner |
| 18:29.22 | Roey | I only read it for the art. |
| 18:29.24 | furrywolf | there's a furry channel here? hrmm. |
| 18:29.27 | simonrvn | *groan* |
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| 18:29.43 | paulswm | Lots of people running non/nearly debian end up here and preface their question with "I asked in #my-distro but "they're all idiots | I couldn't get an answer" |
| 18:29.48 | Roey | simonrvn: hehe. |
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| 18:30.28 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 18:30.28 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 18:30.30 | TheZanke`nix | how do i set this to auto boot into X i complelty forget |
| 18:30.37 | greycat | TheZanke`nix: install xdm |
| 18:30.45 | TheZanke`nix | i have x |
| 18:30.46 | necrite | can i build a package (from apt-get source package) with a specific "./configure" command? |
| 18:30.48 | pinks | !google |
| 18:30.48 | dpkg | from memory, google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 18:30.54 | asg | necrite: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 18:30.56 | furrywolf | roey: so where is this channel? :) |
| 18:30.58 | TheZanke`nix | but i have it booting into terminal |
| 18:30.59 | paulswm | We're lucky to have a bunch of smart people prepared to give generously of their time and patience (well, time anyway, heh) |
| 18:31.10 | Roey | furrywolf: um, probably geekfurs or something |
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| 18:31.18 | Roey | furrywolf: search for it in the channel list window? |
| 18:31.21 | asg | TheZanke`nix: /msg dpkg dm |
| 18:31.32 | furrywolf | I'm stuck on ircii at the moment... /list = broken |
| 18:31.36 | Roey | heh |
| 18:31.44 | greycat | furrywolf: no excuses. use irssi. :) |
| 18:31.45 | asg | TheZanke`nix: bah, disregard that. |
| 18:31.46 | simonrvn | you don't "boot into x". ... |
| 18:31.47 | simonrvn | great, irssi is doing its let's block all typing crap again |
| 18:31.49 | MobyTurbo | furrywolf: you can /msg chanserv to get a list |
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| 18:32.22 | Roey | furrywolf: couldn't find anye |
| 18:32.23 | Roey | *any |
| 18:32.25 | Roey | now |
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| 18:32.36 | Roey | simonrvn, greycat: know at all about smb:// in KDE? |
| 18:33.00 | gpm | Roey: it works. i know that |
| 18:33.12 | furrywolf | *** Users on #furry: @furrywolf |
| 18:33.13 | furrywolf | heh |
| 18:33.22 | necrite | asg, so i download the source and i make a ./configure with my options .. and then i run dpkg-buildpacage? |
| 18:33.33 | pinks | debian is ace, and KDE is ok-but a bit bloated inho. What's a good altenative? |
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| 18:33.38 | asg | necrite: no, in that case, /msg dpkg mg |
| 18:33.52 | Roey | gpm: I'm having problems |
| 18:33.53 | greycat | pinks: apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager |
| 18:33.54 | asg | necrite: the previous factoid only works for debian src packages. |
| 18:33.54 | Roey | gpm: arg |
| 18:33.56 | MobyTurbo | pinks: Debian is not a GUI |
| 18:34.22 | gpm | Roey: wha kinds of problems? it's probably samba and not the gui... |
| 18:34.27 | MobyTurbo | pinks: np, your question confused me |
| 18:34.31 | MobyTurbo | s/np/nm |
| 18:34.41 | Roey | gpm: ah! cool |
| 18:34.42 | Roey | gpm: SO |
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| 18:35.09 | Roey | gpm: I can mount -t cifs well, but when I try smb://, and enter a username/password, it brings the login box back up |
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| 18:35.35 | tuxmaster | hello |
| 18:35.38 | Roey | hi |
| 18:35.44 | tuxmaster | i just installed debian |
| 18:35.44 | necrite | asg, source = source package :P |
| 18:36.01 | tuxmaster | and it did not install x and stuff |
| 18:36.07 | gpm | Roey: um. sorry, i can't help. i never got THAT into samba. sorry. i just remember installing samba, doing a little tweaking, and being able to use smb:/// right away. |
| 18:36.10 | akhayyat | guys, any idea about when the next snapshot of sarge CDs/DVDs are going to be available?? the latest is 23 Mar!!! |
| 18:36.10 | tuxmaster | how do i get into the program to install more programs |
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| 18:36.12 | pinks | lol - there's loads - any recommendations? |
| 18:36.16 | greycat | tuxmaster: tasksel |
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| 18:36.25 | asg | necrite: then yes, what you said earlier hold. Edit debian/rules to add your custom ./configure options. |
| 18:36.29 | gpm | Roey: sorry. |
| 18:36.30 | Roey | gpm: oh, well ok then. thanks anyway! |
| 18:36.33 | takatumi | tuxmaster: or try aptitude |
| 18:36.38 | tuxmaster | thanks greycat |
| 18:36.42 | furrywolf | dselect rules. :) |
| 18:36.50 | greycat | furrywolf: sadist. |
| 18:36.56 | necrite | asg tks! |
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| 18:37.07 | Roey | cat, wolf, frog, aardvark.. |
| 18:37.11 | MobyTurbo | tuxmaster: apt-get, aptitude, dselect, and synaptic (the latter after installing X) are all programs for installing packages from Debian repositories |
| 18:37.13 | Roey | I had FilthyMonkey for a while |
| 18:37.29 | lemming | bah and the bastard still has my nick |
| 18:37.49 | Roey | OOH AAH AAH! |
| 18:38.14 | akhayyat | they are supposed to be available in a weekly basis, aren't they?? |
| 18:38.28 | asg | aardvark: one of our users had spam today with the delicious title 'girls getting it off with piggies' |
| 18:38.46 | Piggy | O_o |
| 18:39.13 | furrywolf | # du -s /var/log |
| 18:39.13 | furrywolf | 840038 /var/log |
| 18:39.14 | furrywolf | ! |
| 18:39.39 | MobyTurbo | furrywolf: don't worry, they get automatically gzipped periodically |
| 18:40.06 | greycat | MobyTurbo: he has 840 M used. |
| 18:40.08 | paulswm | That's a *lot* though |
| 18:40.11 | furrywolf | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 255516386 Apr 15 18:39 mail.log |
| 18:40.13 | paulswm | I have 27M used |
| 18:40.18 | furrywolf | stupid spammers |
| 18:40.21 | Gathond | MobyTurbo: that would depend greatly upon his setup though |
| 18:40.24 | furrywolf | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 193386921 Apr 15 18:39 mail.info |
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| 18:40.28 | MobyTurbo | greycat: 840M? Wow |
| 18:40.33 | tuxmaster | is anyone here using debian for a webserver |
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| 18:40.40 | greycat | MobyTurbo: it's right on the SCREEN. Can't you read numbers? |
| 18:40.47 | asg | tuxmaster: no, nobody would have ever thought of doing that |
| 18:40.51 | furrywolf | I was trying to figure out where all my disk space went. :) |
| 18:41.02 | Gathond | tuxmaster: nope, we all run debian on our gameboys |
| 18:41.04 | MobyTurbo | greycat: apparantly not |
| 18:41.20 | tuxmaster | why not your xbox |
| 18:41.24 | greycat | 18868 /var/log/qmail |
| 18:41.24 | greycat | 507 /var/log/qmail/pop3d |
| 18:41.24 | greycat | 8983 /var/log/qmail/smtpd |
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| 18:41.52 | daaku | i'm recompiling the kernel for a laptop, (using sid 2.6.11-1 right now), and i cant seem to find the kernel option that gives me the module orinoco_cs, anyone which one that would be? (i've got orinoco & hermes) |
| 18:42.15 | Gathond | tuxmaster: dont have one:) ... come to think of it I gave my gameboy away as well ... darn |
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| 18:42.58 | resiak | ISR, Debian webserver uses you! ? |
| 18:43.02 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 18:44.17 | takatumi | daaku: under Networking Support -> Wireless LAN (non-hamradio) |
| 18:45.19 | tuxmaster | well i am moving to debian webserver becouse it is easyer to install the free cp |
| 18:45.23 | tuxmaster | like vhcs |
| 18:45.31 | tuxmaster | or web-cp |
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| 18:46.11 | takatumi | freecp vhcs web-cp mehcp |
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| 18:46.41 | greycat | !info freecp sarge |
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| 18:46.48 | daaku | takatumi: i tried all under there, which is how i got orinoco and hermes, but i cant seem to find orinoco_cs |
| 18:46.55 | greycat | !info mehcp sarge |
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| 18:46.59 | takatumi | what are those? |
| 18:47.05 | greycat | beats the fuck out of me. |
| 18:47.10 | greycat | I'm starting to think he's typing random keys. |
| 18:47.19 | asg | greycat: sounds like a webmin clone |
| 18:47.37 | greycat | oh, cp must be "control panel |
| 18:47.49 | simonrvn | like cpanel.... |
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| 18:48.41 | siimo | hi can anyone connect to www.mozilla.org? it seems to be down? |
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| 18:49.19 | dos4gw | it is down |
| 18:49.26 | thingfish | yep |
| 18:49.44 | asg | bleedin' demised |
| 18:49.49 | siimo | so is their IRC server |
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| 18:49.56 | simonrvn | down. no response to ping |
| 18:50.01 | dos4gw | maybe they got bought by microsoft |
| 18:50.09 | dos4gw | jk |
| 18:50.18 | wcs | When you instal grub and you have a sperate / and /boot parition you set the root option in grub to the boot partion correct |
| 18:50.19 | asg | dos4gw: or they went home for the weekend and turned the lights off |
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| 18:50.29 | p88 | hi all |
| 18:50.43 | daaku | takatumi: i think the driver's split up cause of the different variations of the card, and those are required too (using the sid 2.6.11 kernel orinoco,hermes,orinoco_cs are loaded for wifi to work) |
| 18:50.45 | p88 | is it possible to add a new disk to a raid5 array? |
| 18:50.47 | dos4gw | or maybe they forgot to file their taxes |
| 18:50.56 | wcs | somebody probally hit the master power switch by accident, it happened one time with a errent nurf ball |
| 18:50.57 | dos4gw | AUDIT! |
| 18:50.57 | asg | dos4gw: they have until Midnight |
| 18:51.00 | wcs | in my data center |
| 18:51.04 | necrite | asg could be the directory "debian" not exist ? |
| 18:51.19 | p88 | without first deleting it... |
| 18:51.20 | takatumi | daaku: "Intersil Prism GT/Duette/Indigo PCI/Cardbus" "Hermes PCMCIA card support" and "Hermes chipset 802.11b support (Orinoco/Prism2/Symbol) |
| 18:51.21 | greycat | Nerf. |
| 18:51.23 | asg | necrite: if it's a debian source package, it should |
| 18:51.35 | wcs | greycat: sorry :-P |
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| 18:51.43 | p88 | I know that 7 years ago it wasn't but things change |
| 18:51.49 | dos4gw | wcs: i bet that was fun explaining to your manager |
| 18:51.51 | p88 | is it possible now? |
| 18:52.00 | wcs | luckily I wasn't the manager then |
| 18:52.02 | wcs | I am now though |
| 18:52.03 | wcs | :) |
| 18:52.14 | greycat | p88: you think the definition of RAID 5 changed? |
| 18:52.19 | greycat | like, it's raid 5.01 now? |
| 18:52.22 | asg | hehe |
| 18:52.24 | wcs | and no he wasn't fired because of the Nerf ball incident |
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| 18:52.53 | p88 | greycat: no but it might be possible for a tool like raidhotadd to automatically rebuild the array with including the new disk |
| 18:52.54 | wcs | that just made us replace the lift up plastic cover, that was knocked off by some monkeys installing a new rack |
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| 18:53.05 | necrite | asg, for example apt-get source package; cd package/debian ? |
| 18:53.06 | paulswm | We used to play horseshoues in the computer room with a ruler stuh between the tiles and tape write permit rings |
| 18:53.14 | paulswm | s/shoues/shoes/ |
| 18:53.22 | stew | p88: it is possible to add to a raid 5 array if your controller supports it. only a few high end controllers support it |
| 18:53.23 | paulswm | s/stuh/stuck/ |
| 18:53.24 | greycat | p88: you could write one yourself. the problem is that you'd need a whole shitload of temp space to hold the data from the file system while you destroy it and recreate it. |
| 18:53.26 | wcs | nice |
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| 18:53.49 | p88 | greycat: I will then just back up and rebuild by hand |
| 18:53.50 | takatumi | and shoues? |
| 18:53.53 | asg | necrite: yes |
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| 18:54.31 | wcs | damn western digital hard drives |
| 18:54.33 | necrite | asg, it doasent .. and it build the package |
| 18:54.51 | stew | necrite: how are you trying to build it? |
| 18:55.07 | asg | necrite: you did 'apt-get source foo' and it's trying to build foo? |
| 18:56.45 | necrite | stew, kannel |
| 18:56.48 | sparr_ | ok, heres a very strange question... is there any way i can make a "file" that works like a symlink, but that link points to a file in the home directory of whatever user is trying to access it? |
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| 18:56.57 | necrite | asg, yes |
| 18:57.08 | necrite | asg, with mysql support :( |
| 18:57.09 | asg | necrite: the kernel packages are different from the standard src packages |
| 18:57.15 | asg | necrite: kernel with mysql support? |
| 18:57.17 | asg | wtf? |
| 18:57.27 | necrite | asg, kannel not kernel |
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| 18:57.38 | necrite | asg smpp server |
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| 18:57.52 | asg | hehe, assumed that was a typo |
| 18:57.57 | necrite | :) |
| 18:57.58 | stew | necrite: i said HOW are you trying to build it? like, what commands are you typing |
| 18:58.09 | MobyTurbo | sparr_: use scripts and an environmental variable |
| 18:58.14 | stew | !info kannel |
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| 18:58.17 | dpkg | kannel: (WAP and SMS gateway), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 571 kB, Installed size: 1436 kB |
| 18:58.19 | caphuso | sparr_: touch ~ ;-) |
| 18:58.21 | dli | anyone knows this deb http://ftp.cpanel.net/sysup/debian3.0 stable main |
| 18:58.28 | asg | necrite: what debian are you using? |
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| 18:58.30 | sparr_ | MobyTurbo: can you elaborate on that a bit? |
| 18:58.32 | sparr_ | caphuso: what? |
| 18:58.38 | caphuso | sparr_: just joking |
| 18:58.57 | necrite | asg sarge |
| 18:58.58 | caphuso | sparr_: but no, there's no way to do it with a single symlink |
| 18:59.22 | sparr_ | damn |
| 18:59.24 | MobyTurbo | sparr_: well, it wouldn't really be a symlink, but it could act a little like one. |
| 18:59.25 | asg | necrite: well, on this sid box, it is just fine. Unless sarge's upstream source package is frobbed, which is possible, I don't know. |
| 18:59.30 | asg | !pubtime |
| 18:59.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
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| 18:59.41 | sparr_ | MobyTurbo: yeah, acting like one is the goal... but what kind of scripts would i need? |
| 18:59.58 | paulswm | asg: Enjoy the pub |
| 19:00.01 | MobyTurbo | sparr_: an ordinary shell script should be enough |
| 19:00.05 | necrite | asg tks anyway :P |
| 19:00.10 | sparr_ | yes, and what would that shell script DO? |
| 19:00.24 | MobyTurbo | sparr_: use an environmental variable for the directory |
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| 19:00.39 | sparr_ | MobyTurbo: youve lost me |
| 19:01.03 | stew | silverton: nobody cares, turn that off |
| 19:01.04 | sparr_ | say i want /usr/local/bin/foo to point to ~/bar |
| 19:01.15 | silverton | :( |
| 19:01.33 | MobyTurbo | sparr_: oh, you're doing something different than what I thought. |
| 19:01.41 | silverton | I actually care, cause I don't keep track when I go to bed or when I get up... |
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| 19:02.26 | stew | sparr_: can't you just make /sur/local/bin/foo a script with "#!/bin/sh \n source $HOME/bar" |
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| 19:03.10 | stew | err s/source// |
| 19:03.16 | sparr_ | stew: what good would that do? when i open it ill just see "#!/bin/sh \n source $HOME/bar", not the contents of ~/bar |
| 19:03.30 | Jedha | When will the next stable release of debian be released? |
| 19:03.36 | wcs | Hey, I've built my own kernel and I'm getting "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(8,2). Right above that it finds all my hard drives, and I have all my scsi stuff built in along with my file systems |
| 19:03.39 | stew | sparr_: i assumed that since you said /usr/local/bin it would be executable |
| 19:03.43 | wcs | Jedha: some time next century |
| 19:04.08 | Jedha | wcs: sure? my guess is never |
| 19:04.18 | wcs | Jedha: could go either way :) |
| 19:04.18 | sparr_ | stew: ok, /usr/share/doc/foo |
| 19:04.30 | paulswm | sparr_: if it's in /usr/local/bin, it's an executable, so just making it a script wihich executes the $HOME executable will work |
| 19:04.49 | paulswm | sparr_: nm, I see your reply |
| 19:04.49 | bbrazil | sparr_: try a rootkit - it probably has the kernel code you need to do that sort of filesystem trickery |
| 19:05.01 | MobyTurbo | sparr_: man hier |
| 19:05.25 | sparr_ | MobyTurbo: :-p |
| 19:05.29 | sparr_ | bbrazil: good idea |
| 19:05.30 | bbrazil | sparr_: see also CDPATH (bash var) probably won't do what you want |
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| 19:06.04 | Gumby | does anyone here know if there have been issues with the 2.6.11-1-686 kernel and touchpads? Mine seems fairly sketchy as soon as I boot into that kernel. Hard to control when I need to be somewhat precise and also double tapping on the touchpad does not emulate a mouse click |
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| 19:06.40 | sparr_ | ok, maybe ill try just throwing the problem out there and see if someone has a better idea :) |
| 19:06.42 | wcs | I wish this damn box booted faster... |
| 19:06.53 | bbrazil | sparr_: I think you need to rethink what you're up to - what are you up to? |
| 19:07.24 | sparr_ | ive got a game. the game wants to access ./autoexec.cfg when i run it. i want to install the game globally. i need a way to trick the game into loading config files from the players home directory |
| 19:07.36 | sparr_ | . being the location of the binary |
| 19:07.49 | wcs | you should wrap the game in a shell script |
| 19:07.56 | wcs | that loads the players file into the game |
| 19:07.59 | stew | sparr_: the location of the binary or the pwd? |
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| 19:08.10 | sparr_ | stew: location of the binary |
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| 19:08.25 | stew | sparr_: thats gross, can't you just edit the source and fix that? |
| 19:08.26 | wcs | Thats the way most linux games do it |
| 19:08.38 | bbrazil | sparr_: I've solved this problem before (suphp+gallery+apache) |
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| 19:08.50 | sparr_ | stew: im lacking in l33t game h4x0r skillz |
| 19:09.00 | wcs | #!/bin/bash |
| 19:09.00 | wcs | /path/to/gamebinary -c ~/config_file |
| 19:09.08 | sparr_ | wcs: dont have a -c |
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| 19:09.23 | wcs | where does it look for the file by default then? |
| 19:09.27 | wcs | what game is it? |
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| 19:10.08 | Morrowyn | how well does debian handle usb mice? |
| 19:10.10 | furrywolf | back. had to get the phone. |
| 19:10.19 | furrywolf | morr: perfectly. |
| 19:10.21 | Morrowyn | as in, can i plug in the mouse when im in kde |
| 19:10.32 | Morrowyn | and does it find it and make it work? |
| 19:10.34 | bbrazil | sparr_: for each user, create a dir with symlinks to all of the game stuff *except* the config which is a real file |
| 19:10.36 | furrywolf | yep |
| 19:10.37 | caphuso | sparr_: it looks for the config file in $PWD? |
| 19:10.41 | sparr_ | no |
| 19:10.42 | Morrowyn | cool |
| 19:10.49 | sparr_ | it looks for the config file in the directory the binary is in |
| 19:10.50 | furrywolf | you might need to install a 2.6 kernel package instead of 2.4 though |
| 19:10.58 | Morrowyn | im on 2.6.8 |
| 19:11.08 | furrywolf | should work then, assuming X is set up properly |
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| 19:11.26 | Morrowyn | k, i need to setup the proper devices in the xfconfig |
| 19:11.29 | wcs | sparr_: what game is it? |
| 19:11.31 | Morrowyn | and if those are good |
| 19:11.35 | Morrowyn | it shoudl work |
| 19:11.40 | furrywolf | the defaults probably should work |
| 19:11.44 | furrywolf | plug the mouse in and see! |
| 19:11.48 | greycat | sparr_: have your wrapper script just cd to the user's $HOME. |
| 19:11.55 | b00gie | hello... how can i remove a package with the dependencies that installed? |
| 19:12.05 | drac | b00gie: apt-get remove package |
| 19:12.09 | furrywolf | my XF86Config is a little messy, but I've got three graphics tablets, two screens, etc. :) |
| 19:12.20 | greycat | sparr_: and if necessary, symlink from there to the place where the game is |
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| 19:12.36 | sparr_ | thanks, thats what im doing now |
| 19:12.41 | b00gie | drac, it remove the package but keeps the other dep. packages |
| 19:12.42 | sparr_ | working on a wrapper to create the symlink each time |
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| 19:13.02 | Morrowyn | i need to setp xfconfig |
| 19:13.04 | Morrowyn | properly |
| 19:13.06 | bbrazil | sparr_: no need for symlinks each time - cache in a ~/.gamename directory |
| 19:13.17 | drac | !drxx Morrowyn |
| 19:13.17 | dpkg | Morrowyn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 19:13.38 | sparr_ | bbrazil: the game has no idea where ~ is. i have to put a link to ~/configfile in /usr/local/games/gamedir/ before i run the game |
| 19:13.41 | drac | b00gie: I don't get what you mean then. Apt-get handles all depencies. |
| 19:14.04 | Morrowyn | thanks |
| 19:14.07 | bbrazil | sparr_: warning: potential security hole |
| 19:14.23 | sparr_ | if i had a nickel for every security hole on this box... |
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| 19:14.33 | sparr_ | but, enlighten me |
| 19:14.37 | sparr_ | whats wrong with this particular one? |
| 19:14.41 | jsm | is there a tool that will tell me what libraries are statically compiled into a binary executable? |
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| 19:15.05 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 19:15.11 | Morrowyn | this will wipe out my existing conf file right? |
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| 19:15.24 | bbrazil | race condition between creation of symlink and running the game, symlink could be removed and replaced with something else whereupon a user could insert a different, potentiall dangerous, config |
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| 19:15.31 | Morrowyn | the reconf xserver |
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| 19:15.51 | b00gie | drac, when i want to remove the X package, but i want to remoce all the other packages that apt-get installed like dependencies, too. :/ |
| 19:16.01 | poonj | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.14 | caphuso | poonj: libc6 == glibc |
| 19:16.18 | poonj | Ioka |
| 19:16.26 | Tuttle | Hi, had some of you successfully initialized tv-out on Matrox G400 in Sarge? |
| 19:16.31 | poonj | I wanted to execute that butts giving me an error |
| 19:16.36 | mathieu_ | b00gie, if you would have used aptitude instead of apt-get, it would have been automatic |
| 19:16.40 | poonj | but its |
| 19:16.43 | mathieu_ | b00gie, check deborphan |
| 19:17.03 | bbrazil | sparr_: http://netsoc.tcd.ie/~bbrazil/tmp/setup_gallery <-- how I solved a related problem, note that 'src' will be /usr/local/games etc. in your case |
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| 19:17.15 | b00gie | thnks mathieu_ ill check this out!:) |
| 19:17.15 | Chrissy2k5 | how can i set the user "www" to have full access to /var/www/ ?¿ |
| 19:17.26 | sparr_ | bbrazil: i dont consider that a security hole, the game cant DO anything dangerous no matter whats in the config |
| 19:17.29 | bbrazil | b00gie: you're mainly looking for the two for/ln loops |
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| 19:17.39 | dondelelcaro | Chrissy2k5: you generally just want /var/www to be o+rx |
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| 19:18.02 | dondelelcaro | Chrissy2k5: the www-data user shouldn't have any more access to the filesystem than is absolutely necessary. |
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| 19:18.09 | Chrissy2k5 | dondelelcaro- how do i do that ?¿ |
| 19:18.13 | abashuta | can someone tell me how to get apache2 uninstalled? I got the wrong version on and the right version complains when I try to install it. |
| 19:18.15 | Chrissy2k5 | its for samba .... |
| 19:18.16 | greycat | !wikifaq Chrissy2k5 Permissions |
| 19:18.17 | dpkg | Chrissy2k5: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:18.23 | bbrazil | sparr_: where does it put its error messages? do its config parser have beuufer overflows? etc. |
| 19:18.27 | raf256 | abashuta: apt-get remove apache |
| 19:18.29 | Chrissy2k5 | Oh Cool ta grey |
| 19:18.36 | raf256 | or rather apache2 |
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| 19:19.04 | bbrazil | sparr_: *does *buffer |
| 19:19.15 | sparr_ | bbrazil: if it does then the security hole is present no matter where the config comes from. any user could use a malicious config. |
| 19:19.20 | silverton | takatumi, you around? |
| 19:19.23 | abashuta | raf256: I'm trying that now thanks... |
| 19:19.27 | takatumi | silverton: ? |
| 19:19.45 | silverton | takatumi, okay, about 10 hours ago, you helped me change my wan driver, remember? |
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| 19:20.04 | takatumi | silverton: and? |
| 19:20.15 | silverton | okay, now I have a wifi0 and a wlan0 devices... |
| 19:20.24 | bbrazil | sparr_: but Bob can make Alice use a config of his choice |
| 19:20.27 | silverton | and an ip tables command isn't work anymore, even though I've changed it accordingly |
| 19:20.39 | hyksos | hi, i got no /dev/poll , therefor i need a kernelmodule, or? where can i find it in the kernel-menu? |
| 19:21.00 | dondelelcaro | you fail it |
| 19:21.13 | sparr_ | bbrazil: good point. your solution eliminates this problem? |
| 19:21.26 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN... although, possibly still appropriate. |
| 19:21.27 | sparr_ | i dont want a perfect solution |
| 19:21.30 | sparr_ | i just want an easy one |
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| 19:21.37 | takatumi | silverton: try #iptables |
| 19:21.51 | bbrazil | sparr_: yes - assuming the dir has the correct permissions (only writable by user) |
| 19:21.57 | silverton | takatumi, okay... |
| 19:22.02 | silverton | takatumi, no errors |
| 19:22.18 | takatumi | silverton: good. |
| 19:22.40 | bbrazil | sparr_: thinking about it your solution could work with the sticky bit, although it could easily lead to a DOS |
| 19:22.42 | Chrissy2k5 | when i try to paste a jpg into a network drive folder (samba to the account www wich is the directory /var/www/ on the box) i get the Access Denied msg :| can anyone help ?¿ |
| 19:23.18 | silverton | takatumi, why do I have a wlan0 _and_ a wifi0 though ? |
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| 19:24.02 | silverton | takatumi, okay, I solved the iptables thing on my own, for some reason, eth0 wasn't enabled... >.< |
| 19:24.17 | bbrazil | sparr_: as I said, for every file in the binary's dir, create a symlink to it in some directory as well as the actual autoexec script. Its a mkdir and for; do ln; done |
| 19:24.20 | nykheyn | how to boot directly in shell mode at the startup |
| 19:24.23 | ecivo | hidiho, under which /dev/... name does debian hide a parport zip drive (drivermodules are loaded ;) |
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| 19:24.49 | valdyn | nykheyn: init=/bin/sh |
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| 19:25.04 | Ikarus | Hmmmm, bleah @ sarge bootdiscs, auto HW detection is evil |
| 19:25.15 | nykheyn | valdyn: in which file? |
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| 19:25.27 | valdyn | nykheyn: is that even what you want? |
| 19:25.47 | ixi | Hi. I try to configure system to allow cdrecording with 'cdrecord' program for users. I changed ownership of /dev/sg0 from root:root to root:cdrom and chmoded it from 600 to 660. 'cdrecord' now runs and burn CD but I got serveral warnings which confuse me: (1) cdrecord: "Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler"; (2) "cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority()." and (3) cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk |
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| 19:26.02 | dondelelcaro | Ikarus: so don't use it. |
| 19:26.07 | valdyn | nykheyn: do you want to boot directly into a shell w/o starting anything else at all, or do you just want to boot into single user mode or do you want to boot just w/o getting X up |
| 19:26.08 | nykheyn | i must boot in shell because i must install video drivers |
| 19:26.13 | dondelelcaro | Ikarus: it's not like you actually have to use auto HW detection |
| 19:26.15 | greycat | ecivo: parport Zip drives become SCSI disks. |
| 19:26.20 | greycat | ecivo: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 19:26.24 | Ikarus | dondelelcaro: yeah, I just booted up woody discs instead |
| 19:26.37 | dondelelcaro | Ikarus: no, I mean, you can disable that using the sarge boot discs as well |
| 19:26.42 | bbrazil | ixi: that means that cdrecord can't get precedence over other processes - which could lead to buffer underun |
| 19:26.50 | tuxmaster | change your tab |
| 19:26.53 | nykheyn | i must boot in shell only when i want |
| 19:27.01 | ixi | bbrazil: thats clear, how to change this? |
| 19:27.01 | tuxmaster | change your inittab |
| 19:27.04 | tuxmaster | to 3 |
| 19:27.09 | tuxmaster | i think |
| 19:27.18 | ecivo | Ok, under my old distro it was sd0 whatsoever, thanks :) |
| 19:27.20 | greycat | ixi: don't try to change it. just make sure you use driveropts=burnfree if your drive supports it. |
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| 19:27.28 | valdyn | nykheyn: just ctrl-alt-f1 from X, log in, install video drivers |
| 19:27.28 | tuxmaster | vi /etc/inittab |
| 19:27.30 | Ikarus | dondelelcaro: can I also disable the BLOODY partitioner helper |
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| 19:27.42 | bbrazil | ixi: I *think* you can make cdrecord suid safely, but that may or may not be broken depending on cdrecord and kernel versions |
| 19:27.45 | valdyn | nykheyn: stop X if you need, but theres is _no_ need to reboot to install video drivers |
| 19:27.48 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a distro war |
| 19:27.49 | apt | Gentoo 0wnz! |
| 19:27.52 | tuxmaster | on id:5:initdefault do id:3:initdefault |
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| 19:28.26 | caphuso | tuxmaster: this isn't #redhat |
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| 19:28.53 | Chrissy2k5 | hey guys ... when i try to paste a jpg into a network drive folder (samba to the account www wich is the directory /var/www/ on the box) i get the Access Denied msg :| can anyone help ?¿ |
| 19:29.04 | valdyn | nykheyn: either way that you are trying to do this indicates you are doing something completely wrong probably, ask "how can i install XXX", whatever it is |
| 19:29.29 | F-Lelo | is there a channel about debian + xorg? |
| 19:29.43 | greycat | Chrissy2k5: you should NOT be authenticating as a 'www' user. |
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| 19:30.30 | Chrissy2k5 | hmm . grey what should i do ... so i can have a remote network drive on my xp pc so i can read/write/delete from /var/www/ |
| 19:30.35 | F-Lelo | hey ppl .... is there a channel about debian + xorg? |
| 19:30.39 | sparr_ | bbrazil: there are multiple directories |
| 19:30.40 | m4lu6 | OK. last reboot for the next 6 months, i hope. |
| 19:30.45 | greycat | Chrissy2k5: chown chris /var/www |
| 19:30.47 | m4lu6 | at least until hurricane season starts |
| 19:30.51 | F-Lelo | don't want to be bothering you all about some stuff that has it's own channel =D |
| 19:30.53 | valdyn | F-Lelo: doubt it, /msg dpk xorg |
| 19:30.59 | sparr_ | bbrazil: also, thats a lot of filesystem access just to start a game |
| 19:31.03 | F-Lelo | thank valdyn ;) |
| 19:31.14 | bbrazil | sparr_: then create symlinks to them. games use a lot of resources anyway |
| 19:31.28 | sparr_ | ill stick to my not-quite-user-vs-user-safe idea... its 2 lines of shell script |
| 19:31.36 | sparr_ | im sure yours is better |
| 19:31.47 | bbrazil | mine's also 2 lines :) |
| 19:31.56 | Chrissy2k5 | then what grey.. |
| 19:31.59 | sparr_ | mine is a very short 2 lines :-p |
| 19:32.05 | sparr_ | i actually couldnt do the symlink in the game dir |
| 19:32.08 | sparr_ | since the user cant write there |
| 19:32.12 | bbrazil | but as we've yet to learn what the game is I don't know if it'd work |
| 19:32.37 | sparr_ | so i ended up doing "echo exec ~/.gamerc > /tmp/gamerc" in the script, then "exec /tmp/gamerc" in the game's config |
| 19:32.37 | takatumi | silverton: http://hostap.epitest.fi/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/hostap/FAQ?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain (Question 6) |
| 19:32.44 | sparr_ | the game? its cube |
| 19:32.50 | sparr_ | sorry, thought i said that last time someone asked |
| 19:33.03 | silverton | takatumi, okay, checking it out now |
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| 19:33.34 | hmlc | How can I make gdm start ealier in the boot squence? |
| 19:33.46 | silverton | takatumi, ahhhh, okay, thank you very much sir :) |
| 19:33.46 | greycat | hmlc: cd /etc/rc2.d; ls |
| 19:33.51 | m4lu6 | hmlc, move to diff.. |
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| 19:33.53 | m4lu6 | nevermind. |
| 19:33.58 | Chrissy2k5 | then what grey.. |
| 19:34.04 | greycat | then use your BRAIN. |
| 19:34.24 | Chrissy2k5 | well it was fine as the user www :| except the permissions to the folder... |
| 19:34.43 | takatumi | silverton: you are lucky to have a card that is supported by hostap, most of the newer ones are not. |
| 19:34.52 | greycat | Chrissy2k5: man chown; man chmod |
| 19:34.57 | greycat | Chrissy2k5: get a friggin' unix book. |
| 19:35.11 | Chrissy2k5 | greycat- Laughing Out Loud hahahahaha no |
| 19:35.16 | silverton | takatumi, well, this isn't a newer card |
| 19:35.17 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 19:35.32 | tuxmaster | why do you not want a linux book |
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| 19:35.36 | tuxmaster | i own like 5 |
| 19:35.39 | tuxmaster | at least |
| 19:35.42 | takatumi | silverton: treasure it. :) |
| 19:35.45 | silverton | takatumi, well, I don't think it's a newer one at least, since it's only an 802.11b |
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| 19:36.01 | silverton | takatumi, rightyo, should I get get the other one that I'm letting my brother borrow? lest he rape it, lol |
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| 19:36.36 | takatumi | silverton: let him enjoy. |
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| 19:36.51 | silverton | but he runs **voice gets all quiet** windows... |
| 19:37.20 | tuxmaster | i hate it when my db updates |
| 19:37.21 | takatumi | let him suffer with peace. |
| 19:37.26 | tuxmaster | takes up too much cpu |
| 19:37.32 | takatumi | s/with/in |
| 19:37.35 | HSorgYves | is there a way to resize partitions on an unmounted disk? |
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| 19:37.38 | silverton | takatumi, okay, lol |
| 19:37.49 | carlos-d-man | is there a magic command to UNINSTALL all games? :) |
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| 19:38.00 | FieldySnuts | resizing partitions is a bad idea. if you do it anyway, have _full_ backups. (no I don't know how to do resizing) |
| 19:38.05 | InitMass | how do i set the locale to use? i still want to be able to write swedish letters but i want e g firefox to be in english |
| 19:38.24 | dAZ | When i launch skype it says permissions denied to /dev/dsp1 and /dev/mixer i did adduser account audio - how to fix this |
| 19:38.35 | klez | HSorgYves: depends on the filesystem for resizing them, qtparted can resize partitions |
| 19:38.56 | InitMass | dAZ, try to relogin |
| 19:39.00 | dli | InitMass, I make a /usr/bin/mozilla.sh with "export LANG=C;/usr/bin/mozilla" |
| 19:39.06 | valdyn | InitMass: man locale ( theres is various environment variables for various things ) |
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| 19:39.47 | dAZ | InitMass: same!? :-/& |
| 19:39.51 | starshine | karsten: :D |
| 19:39.57 | tuxmaster | hee hee killed it |
| 19:40.15 | InitMass | dAZ, are u 100% sure you are in the group? |
| 19:40.26 | InitMass | dAZ, i think skype will run as "other" |
| 19:40.30 | HSorgYves | klez - Type Linux (83) formated as ext3 |
| 19:40.34 | dAZ | InitMass: i did adduer vt audio |
| 19:40.37 | dAZ | InitMass: what do you mean? |
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| 19:40.55 | InitMass | dAZ, do you know about "user" "group" "other"? |
| 19:41.10 | dAZ | InitMass: ye but should i adduser vt other ? |
| 19:41.31 | InitMass | dAZ, just try chmod 777 on the files |
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| 19:42.17 | dAZ | InitMass: which? :D |
| 19:42.27 | klez | HSorgYves: howto is here: http://www.etherpunk.com/node/210 |
| 19:42.33 | InitMass | dAZ, the files which it is complaining about |
| 19:42.37 | HSorgYves | klez - thx |
| 19:43.00 | InitMass | dAZ, what's the problem by the way? i know there could be a thousand reasons why skype doesn't work |
| 19:43.20 | diego-sick | hmlc, rename the file from S99gdm to S<less>gdm |
| 19:43.25 | diego-sick | it's in /etc/rc<init level>.d/ |
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| 19:43.28 | diego-sick | omg |
| 19:43.30 | diego-sick | LAG |
| 19:44.01 | dAZ | InitMass: when i call someone it says: Problem with sound |
| 19:44.37 | InitMass | dAZ, try to read in the linux forum at skype.com |
| 19:44.51 | simonrvn | InitMass: why are suggesting something like that? |
| 19:45.12 | dli | any bastille users? |
| 19:45.14 | simonrvn | dAZ: do not chmod 777 anything. dumb idea |
| 19:45.22 | dAZ | InitMass: this may sound funny but is it possibel to fake a soundcard its because i want my little server to host Skype Server and i cant rememeber if it has a soundcard or not... because now i says /dev/dsp no adress or someyhing. |
| 19:45.41 | dAZ | (faking a soundcard mount or something) |
| 19:45.49 | stew | simonrvn: or some basic !unix lessons |
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| 19:45.55 | simonrvn | :) |
| 19:45.58 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 19:45.58 | dpkg | from memory, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 19:46.01 | greycat | !wikifaq * Permissions |
| 19:46.02 | dpkg | *: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:46.14 | dAZ | simonrvn: is it possibel to fake a soundcard "mount" ? |
| 19:46.19 | InitMass | dAZ, i haven't tried that so i don't have any idea |
| 19:46.24 | simonrvn | you don't mount soundcards |
| 19:46.32 | simonrvn | ... |
| 19:46.37 | greycat | mounting a sound card isn't even semantically *meaningful* |
| 19:46.47 | simonrvn | *ding* |
| 19:46.49 | asuffield | mounting a sound card in a display case? |
| 19:46.54 | dAZ | i dont know how to say is "insmod" a sound card |
| 19:47.02 | greycat | dAZ: /msg dpkg sound |
| 19:47.04 | dAZ | it* |
| 19:47.04 | simonrvn | asuffield: yeh, then admiring it wistfully |
| 19:47.18 | asuffield | because there's no fucking way you're ever going to use this damned VLB thing |
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| 19:47.40 | dAZ | greycat: my question if its possibel to fake a soundcard installaion? i really dont have a soundcard but can i get the system to think i have one? |
| 19:48.03 | greycat | dAZ: uh.... why? |
| 19:48.12 | simonrvn | what? |
| 19:48.19 | dAZ | greycat: because i want skype to think i have a soundcard but i dont have one in my server., |
| 19:48.27 | asuffield | haah, skype |
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| 19:48.35 | greycat | fucking NON-FREE EVIL SOFTWARE |
| 19:48.35 | simonrvn | ... |
| 19:48.40 | dli | dAZ: there's a dummy driver in kernel, but don't know whether it will be the one you want |
| 19:48.40 | greycat | go ask Skype Inc. for support, not us. |
| 19:48.58 | tuxmaster | does anyone know what ccse is |
| 19:49.00 | khanman | i have a better question...can you fake a cpu? i burned out an old k6-2 and i still want to be able to use the system |
| 19:49.04 | dAZ | dli: how should i insmod it? |
| 19:49.23 | dAZ | Its everybody in here soo fucking evil to new ppl? |
| 19:49.24 | dli | greycat: unfortunately, gnomemeeting still too buggy, skype simply works |
| 19:49.32 | tuxmaster | does anyone know what cce is |
| 19:49.40 | greycat | tuxmaster: GOOGLE! |
| 19:49.48 | dcell | I have compiled kernels numerous times, but I have never seen this before. After I compile a new kernel, I get "S70screen-cleanup: line 12: find: command not found." The I am asked for the root password to do maintenance. Any ideas or suggestions would be great. |
| 19:50.03 | stew | dAZ: we just don't support non-free software in here |
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| 19:50.11 | simonrvn | dAZ: we don't support that. you want to ask skype for support. |
| 19:50.12 | greycat | dcell: use a debian kernel |
| 19:50.32 | tuxmaster | googled no hlep |
| 19:50.37 | dcell | I would like to but the debian kernel does not have a driver I need compiled in. |
| 19:50.55 | dli | tuxmaster, sounds like cce is a chinese console environment |
| 19:50.59 | seba | it is posible that grub have problems with USB keyboards? |
| 19:51.04 | tuxmaster | oh |
| 19:51.11 | dcell | I have a 3ware raid card which requires me to recompile. |
| 19:51.13 | tuxmaster | yep |
| 19:51.53 | websdale | dcell:did you use a debian kernel source? |
| 19:52.05 | stew | dcell: why do you need to recompile for a 3ware card? |
| 19:52.20 | stew | dcell: i don't need to recompile for any of my 3ware cards |
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| 19:52.38 | dcell | websdale, I did not. Got it from kernel.org |
| 19:52.53 | dcell | stew, because the driver is not compiled in by default |
| 19:52.59 | stew | dcell: yes it is |
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| 19:53.26 | dcell | stew, no! not the 3ware 900 series. |
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| 19:53.53 | stew | dcell: does the 9xxx us a different driver than the others? |
| 19:53.54 | websdale | dcell:I've certainly had more success ( & stability ) from using the debian kernel source as opposed to a vanilla one |
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| 19:54.04 | dcell | stew, yes |
| 19:54.10 | stew | ahh |
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| 19:54.58 | stew | dcell: after you give the root password, is the find binary indeed missing? |
| 19:55.16 | dcell | websdale, okay, I will try the debian kernel source. I download a debian 2.6.8 source. I saw that it was a bz2, so I just decided to get the latest from kernel.org. |
| 19:55.35 | stew | dcell: is the problem that the /usr partition isn't getting mounted? |
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| 19:56.18 | dcell | stew, interestingly, after I give the root password a lot of the init scripts are not there. However, when I boot from the working debian kernel image (2.4.27), the init scripts are there. |
| 19:56.41 | stew | dcell: you mean like ls /etc/init.d gives you different results?!/ |
| 19:56.51 | dcell | stew. exactly |
| 19:56.57 | stew | uhh |
| 19:57.08 | dcell | stew, my thoughts exactly |
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| 19:57.23 | stew | dcell: and why not just stick with a 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:57.28 | stew | !works in 2.4 |
| 19:57.29 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 19:57.37 | websdale | dcell:it may not help, but I have compiled vanilla ones that panicked & the same debian one that didn't panic - good luck |
| 19:57.53 | dcell | websdale, even using the same .config? |
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| 19:58.02 | silverwolf | In gnome, why do my windows start in the background of other windows, is there a fix, so they get the proper attention when they get started? |
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| 19:58.20 | websdale | dcell:yes |
| 19:58.30 | stew | silverwolf: that would be an issue with your window manager not with gnome |
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| 19:58.35 | dcell | websdale, hmm, that's good to know. |
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| 19:58.44 | silverwolf | stew, what i though so. Im using metacity |
| 19:59.09 | dli | websdale, I forgot which option, just one, which makes 2.6 hangs |
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| 19:59.10 | websdale | dcell:when you do it, do it the debian way as well :) |
| 19:59.42 | websdale | dli:really,I didn't know that |
| 19:59.46 | tuxmaster | i got a question |
| 19:59.50 | tuxmaster | when starting x i get this |
| 19:59.53 | tuxmaster | X: unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 19:59.53 | tuxmaster | X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting. |
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| 19:59.57 | dcell | websdale, damn, i thought you might say that. I don't know the debian way. What is it? |
| 20:00.14 | furrywolf | hrmm. attempting to bz2 those logs seems to have crashed bzip... |
| 20:00.15 | dli | websdale, so each time, I cp a working 2.6 .config, and make menuconfig to change it, always works then |
| 20:00.20 | stew | dcell: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 20:01.23 | dli | anyone got a cpanel.net in his/her sources.list ? |
| 20:01.40 | stew | tuxmaster: apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:02.03 | Unskill3d | is sftp able to transfer files recurively ? |
| 20:02.05 | stew | yuck, cpanel |
| 20:02.22 | greycat | able, yes. able to do so EASILY, probably not. |
| 20:02.26 | dli | Unskill3d, using scp/rsync sounds better |
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| 20:02.39 | greycat | even better than both of those: tar or rsync over ssh. |
| 20:02.43 | dli | Unskill3d, btw, sftp still doesn't support reget, right? |
| 20:02.56 | greycat | dli: openssh 3.9's didn't. not sure about 4.0.. |
| 20:03.05 | llvllatrix | hey guys; i'm kinda new to the whole nix thing. Anyway, I'm trying to setup sox with alsa and sox -h doesnt show the alsa type. Any suggestions? |
| 20:03.16 | Blissex | dli: use RSYNC, not 'sftp', which sucks in many ways. |
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| 20:04.25 | valdyn | llvllatrix: use sox to manipulate your sound(s), and aplay for playback |
| 20:04.38 | Unskill3d | k thx ill try rsync |
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| 20:05.04 | valdyn | llvllatrix: or uses alsa oss emulation layer : just try to use sox's ossdsp output |
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| 20:05.42 | zapalotta | hello |
| 20:05.54 | llvllatrix | valdyn: k, thx :) |
| 20:06.01 | zapalotta | is there any place where apt-get logs what it did while the last upgrade? |
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| 20:06.25 | stew | zapalotta: no |
| 20:06.35 | dcell | stew, thanks for the msg tip. How do I find out other commands I can send to dpkg? |
| 20:06.46 | greycat | dcell: /msg dpkg help |
| 20:06.54 | dcell | duh. thanks |
| 20:07.00 | stew | dcell: /msg dpkg help ; /msg dpkg listkeys foo ; |
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| 20:08.25 | dcell | thanks everyone for the help |
| 20:08.34 | zapalotta | because since the last upgrade (today) which didn't upgrade apache (but php) my apache seems to ignore POST commands. There were no changes to apache's configfiles (debian sarge) |
| 20:09.00 | zapalotta | does anybody have an idea? it started with the apt-get upgrade, must have to do something with that |
| 20:09.38 | Temp[Away] | hmm, im using woody trying to FTP in to it. Ive forwarded the appropriate ports through my router, but the connection is refused. Any ideas? |
| 20:09.44 | MobyTurbo | zapalotta: check the bts, and if it's not there file a bug report |
| 20:10.10 | vaq | how to check if debian has soundcard driver for Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) ? |
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| 20:10.47 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: portforwarding ftp isnt that simple, try passive mode though |
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| 20:11.06 | Temp[Away] | alright |
| 20:11.17 | biggi_mat | error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:11.21 | Temp[Away] | that didnt work either |
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| 20:11.24 | biggi_mat | but there is almost unpossible to fint the package |
| 20:11.29 | Temp[Away] | i got SSH to work |
| 20:11.30 | biggi_mat | what can id o ? |
| 20:11.35 | Temp[Away] | and i got HTTP to work as well |
| 20:11.41 | Temp[Away] | i just cant FTP to the machine |
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| 20:12.02 | drac | biggi_mat: apt-get install libssl0.9.7 |
| 20:12.09 | biggi_mat | thanks |
| 20:12.29 | biggi_mat | libssl0.9.7 is already the newest version. |
| 20:12.33 | biggi_mat | so that's not the problem |
| 20:12.46 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: im not familiar with technical details so i cant tell you the why etc, but for ftp to work you dont only need to forward ports, your router needs to explcitely support ftp ( for linux that is: have a "special" module loaded ) |
| 20:13.13 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: ip_nat_ftp in 2.6.x |
| 20:13.39 | drac | biggi_mat: maybe that program whatever it is, is not just finding it, try something like.. ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0 ; ldconfig |
| 20:13.39 | simonrvn | libssl-dev |
| 20:13.39 | Temp[Away] | do what valdyn? |
| 20:13.42 | vaq | how to check if debian has soundcard driver for Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) ? |
| 20:13.54 | simonrvn | or openssl-dev... sec |
| 20:14.22 | biggi_mat | drac thank you |
| 20:14.25 | biggi_mat | it works now |
| 20:14.27 | dvali14 | aq qartveli aris vinme? |
| 20:14.32 | drac | great |
| 20:14.39 | simonrvn | yeh, first one i said |
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| 20:15.34 | hdkiller | Im depressed! :"( |
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| 20:15.40 | hdkiller | ( lsmod => tun 9984 9 ... tunctl -d tap1 => TUNSETIFF: Device or resource busy ... lsof /dev/net/tun | wc -l => 0 :| ) |
| 20:15.46 | hdkiller | anybody? :| |
| 20:15.46 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: Im not familiar enough to walk you thru it, though just not using ftp behind a nating router is probably a good idea, theres plenty alternatives, like scp |
| 20:15.47 | Gnurdux | anyone know about the phpbb2 package with phpbb2-conf-mysql? |
| 20:16.06 | Temp[Away] | what's scp? |
| 20:16.08 | xcyborg | how does a Contents-$ARCH.gz file gets generated ? I'm sure that my making myself a script I'll reinvent the wheel... |
| 20:16.14 | tarzeau | Temp[Away]: try whatis scp in your shell |
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| 20:16.21 | Gnurdux | plz? |
| 20:16.22 | shad0w1e | where are my kernel headers stored? |
| 20:16.28 | Temp[Away] | aiight |
| 20:16.29 | tarzeau | shad0w1e: in /usr/include ? |
| 20:16.30 | simonrvn | Temp[Away]: secure copy. uses the ssh protocol |
| 20:16.33 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: secure copy |
| 20:16.39 | shad0w1e | tarzeau :thank you |
| 20:16.45 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: to copy stuff over ssh |
| 20:16.53 | Temp[Away] | valdyn: so i can upload and download files using scp instead of ftp? |
| 20:17.01 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: yea |
| 20:17.04 | HSorgYves | which size would you choose for a swap partition on a server with 512 MB RAM? |
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| 20:17.16 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: scp file remotehot:~/ |
| 20:17.23 | Temp[Away] | valdyn: and if SSH works, then scp will do? |
| 20:17.24 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: scp file remotehost:~/ |
| 20:17.27 | abrotman | HSorgYves: 1GB |
| 20:17.27 | simonrvn | HSorgYves: a GB or more |
| 20:17.30 | appaji | HSorgYves: You should ideally add more RAM so that applications don't swap out. |
| 20:17.30 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: yes |
| 20:17.42 | appaji | HSorgYves: otherwise, a thumb rule would be 2*RAM size. |
| 20:17.46 | shad0w1e | yes a server with 512 mb is pretty pathetic |
| 20:17.49 | abrotman | appaji: you don't know the application of the server yet .. it might just do dns :) |
| 20:17.54 | Gnurdux | A database-user dedicated to running phpBB will be created |
| 20:17.56 | HSorgYves | appaji - so 1GB RAM recommended? |
| 20:17.57 | Gnurdux | what does that mean? |
| 20:18.02 | abrotman | HSorgYves: yes |
| 20:18.09 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: including <tab> completion for remote files, if enabled |
| 20:18.10 | appaji | abrotman: true :-) |
| 20:18.14 | HSorgYves | even more RAM useful? |
| 20:18.17 | Temp[Away] | valdyn: is there a windows program that i can use to connect to my linux box? |
| 20:18.21 | abrotman | HSorgYves: what will the server do? |
| 20:18.47 | abrotman | Temp[Away]: PuTTy |
| 20:18.47 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: putty |
| 20:18.47 | appaji | HSorgYves: what are you gonna do on the box? |
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| 20:18.47 | shad0w1e | Temp{away} yes , telnet |
| 20:18.47 | simonrvn | eew |
| 20:18.47 | abrotman | shad0w1e: noone should use telnet |
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| 20:18.47 | paulswm | HSorgYves: you don't need that much swap unless you are mounting tmpfs on /tmp |
| 20:18.48 | Temp[Away] | valdyn: Putty will transfer files? wow. |
| 20:18.50 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: yea |
| 20:18.50 | HSorgYves | abrotman - hosting for 2 or 3 very small domains, so bind, apache, mysql, php, ... |
| 20:18.54 | abrotman | Temp[Away]: you didn't specify |
| 20:19.00 | abrotman | HSorgYves: 1GB should be fine |
| 20:19.06 | shad0w1e | there's telnet, ftp, and samba, depending on how you want to connect |
| 20:19.09 | abrotman | HSorgYves: err .. 512MB RAM with 1GB swap |
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| 20:19.14 | Temp[Away] | how do you do that? |
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| 20:19.19 | abrotman | shad0w1e: noone should ever use telnet |
| 20:19.25 | shad0w1e | abrotman: why? |
| 20:19.28 | paulswm | 1GB swap is way too much unless you're mounting tmpfs on /tmp |
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| 20:19.37 | abrotman | shad0w1e: oh i don't know .. it's insecure? |
| 20:19.52 | takatumi | heh |
| 20:19.56 | xcyborg | how does a Contents-$ARCH.gz file gets generated ? I'm sure that by making myself a script I'll reinvent the wheel... |
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| 20:20.11 | shad0w1e | abrotman: I'm not concerned over my LAN but I suppose there's ssh |
| 20:20.17 | paulswm | Not that too much swap is harmful, it depends on how ymuch disk space you have and how you want to use it |
| 20:20.22 | valdyn | Temp[Away]: well not putty itself afaik, but theres pscp too, and all can be gotten in one windows installer, so its convenient enough |
| 20:20.34 | HSorgYves | paulswm - how much swap would you use then? hd is 40GB |
| 20:20.35 | Xenguy | shad0w1e: telnet passes passwords "in the clear" i.e. unencrypted, and so can be easily 'snooped'. |
| 20:20.38 | simonrvn | even on the lan i wouldn't use telnet except for testing daemons |
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| 20:20.40 | abrotman | shad0w1e: as a rule of thumb .. use ssh .. if you get in the habit of telnet .. one wrong trip over the internet .. and that's your account |
| 20:20.56 | Temp[Away] | oh ok, ill do a google on pscp then |
| 20:21.02 | shad0w1e | abrotman: what is a good client (ssh) for windows ? |
| 20:21.08 | appaji | shad0w1e: putty. |
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| 20:21.10 | abrotman | HSorgYves: really .. 1GB .. if you're here to ask .. use 1GB .. if you don't know better .. use 1GB |
| 20:21.16 | shad0w1e | appaji: thanks |
| 20:21.19 | abrotman | shad0w1e: PuTTy |
| 20:21.25 | HSorgYves | abrotman - okidoki, thx |
| 20:21.43 | HSorgYves | many thx everyone for fast answers as usual |
| 20:22.01 | simonrvn | thanks for having clear concise questions ;) |
| 20:22.06 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:22.13 | paulswm | HSorgYves: It depends on what you're running, but I have a 512MB box which is currently using 0 swap and my 1GB box is using just over 1MB |
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| 20:22.53 | HSorgYves | ;-) |
| 20:23.08 | abrotman | paulswm: for someone who does'nt konw better .. better safe than sorry eh? :) |
| 20:23.14 | paulswm | HSorgYves: If you have a 40GB HD, then do the 1 GB and mount tmpsfs on /tmp |
| 20:23.25 | paulswm | tmpfs I mean |
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| 20:23.42 | appaji | paulswm: I guess tmpfs wouldn't be very useful for HSorgYves |
| 20:23.48 | walnuck | yuck, i'm glad i'm a debian user, fedora sucks and retards are helping out this idiotic moron on how to fix up a business machine's network routing table..without pay..what morons.. |
| 20:24.05 | abrotman | huh? |
| 20:24.13 | appaji | paulswm: i.e. for what he wants to do. |
| 20:24.14 | paulswm | abrotman: I allocate a lot of swap because I sometimes use a lot of /tmp, but 2xmemory only made sense in the days of < 32GB memory boxes |
| 20:24.31 | abrotman | paulswm: swapstorms on 2.4 kernels? |
| 20:24.38 | abrotman | the piss poor MM on 2.4? |
| 20:24.56 | abrotman | with 2.4(since he didn't specify 2.6) rule of thumb is 2xRAM |
| 20:24.59 | aardvark | paulswm: s/GB/bits/? |
| 20:25.17 | dcell | hmm, compiled the kernel the debian way has a sort of romantic flavor to it. <- no scoffing at this comment please |
| 20:25.35 | abrotman | !love dcell |
| 20:25.40 | paulswm | 2xmemory is outdated, however in these days of big disks I suppose the waste doesn't matter |
| 20:25.41 | HSorgYves | abrotman - i do use 2.6 kernel ;-) |
| 20:25.50 | abrotman | HSorgYves: i'm still voting for 2xRAM |
| 20:25.56 | abrotman | HSorgYves: you do as you want .. it's your box |
| 20:26.11 | walnuck | anyone purchase a gigabit card? they're pretty suprisingly cheap, and guess what assholes who tell me not to setup a router went against me, I was able to set up a routing table properly.. so f** to all who say its too difficult.. |
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| 20:26.20 | HSorgYves | abrotman - just wanted to answer your q, not question your suggestion |
| 20:26.28 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 20:26.50 | walnuck | HSorgYves, don't askm him, he knows nothing |
| 20:26.51 | simonrvn | though there is a good point about having 2xRAM... split the swap space, and then you can use swap as emergency disk space |
| 20:27.10 | abrotman | walnuck: are you sure? |
| 20:27.20 | walnuck | simonrvn, the bot stinks and sick, update it |
| 20:27.23 | HSorgYves | simonrvn - split in which way? |
| 20:27.49 | MobyTurbo | !troll walnuck |
| 20:27.55 | abrotman | yeah .. no kidding |
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| 20:28.15 | walnuck | MobyTurbo, y, you said that yesterday, and no thanks to you mwilson, I FIGURED OUT THE ROUTER SETTING WITHOUT YOUR HELP |
| 20:28.24 | MobyTurbo | !y |
| 20:28.25 | dpkg | well, y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 20:28.31 | dambodog_ | I am trying to setup a mirror between two apache servers using rsync and cron - i am not sure what is a better dir stracture /file or /home/files ? to put all the mirror files? |
| 20:28.32 | abrotman | walnuck: ok .. and what? |
| 20:28.45 | dambodog_ | any recommendations ? it doesn't really matter i know.. but still.. |
| 20:29.05 | MobyTurbo | walnuck: yesterday I had ravenbird declare you a troll, today I did it with dpkg |
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| 20:29.35 | simonrvn | walnuck: fuck you. get out of my face asshole |
| 20:29.50 | walnuck | MobyTurbo, well you're one asshole who doesn't give a shit about helping others, I did figure out the router setting on my own, your help is plain arrogance with a fr** slashdot..you'r the troll after all loser |
| 20:29.58 | paulswm | HSorgYves: If you are using LVM, you can use a logical volume as swap, then you can easily either change its size or delete and recreate it later depending on how its getting used and if you really need the space |
| 20:30.03 | abrotman | walnuck: are you done? |
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| 20:30.16 | walnuck | MobyTurbo, the reason why I' leave my status on in the channel was for getting help. no thanks to you mwilson-wannabe-- |
| 20:30.19 | walnuck | ha! |
| 20:30.37 | walnuck | in your face! |
| 20:30.39 | abrotman | are you done now? |
| 20:30.43 | simonrvn | @ops walnuck is trolling |
| 20:30.48 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: walnuck is trolling |
| 20:31.01 | paulswm | !prize simonrvn |
| 20:31.02 | aardvark | wasn't that asshole already banned? |
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| 20:31.06 | abrotman | !prise paulswm |
| 20:31.14 | paulswm | @lart abrotman |
| 20:31.18 | hdkiller | Anybody wants a hunt against processes? => load average: 138.81, 140.60, 128.41 |
| 20:31.34 | hdkiller | Sometimes i got a load about this, but in the night the avarage is 1-10 |
| 20:31.39 | paulswm | abrotman: this is getting to be a habit :) |
| 20:31.42 | MobyTurbo | aardvark: yeah, he's trying to circumvent the ban |
| 20:31.44 | bbrazil | hdkiller: ` |
| 20:31.46 | abrotman | paulswm: yeah .. it is |
| 20:31.50 | hdkiller | If my load is huge, i have no extra memory use, no more process than usual, and etc.. |
| 20:31.51 | walnuck | ravenbird, maybe, but your bot still is *crap*..it doesn't have SPIT |
| 20:31.52 | ravenbird | I think you lost me on that one, walnuck |
| 20:31.56 | bbrazil | hdkiller: top show anything? |
| 20:32.06 | appaji | lol |
| 20:32.06 | hdkiller | everything almost the same when the load is ok |
| 20:32.07 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: if he is .. you can have him banned for ban evasion |
| 20:32.12 | walnuck | ravenbird, maybe you're not eating enough dead corpses now.. |
| 20:32.12 | ravenbird | walnuck: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 20:32.17 | hdkiller | bbrazil, not really... just apaches mysqlds and etc.. nothing specially |
| 20:32.22 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@modemcable106.82-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] by LoRez |
| 20:32.39 | abrotman | !beer LoRez |
| 20:32.43 | bbrazil | hdkiller: you could try cron + ps auxww > logfile.$TIME, but beware of a feedback loop |
| 20:32.46 | paulswm | !bear abrotman |
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| 20:32.53 | abrotman | !bunnicula paulswm |
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| 20:32.56 | simonrvn | thank you LoRez |
| 20:33.01 | paulswm | Aaaargh |
| 20:33.03 | hdkiller | Tasks: 787 total, 24 running, 759 sleeping, 0 stopped, 4 zombie |
| 20:33.03 | hdkiller | Cpu(s): 43.2% user, 20.3% system, 0.4% nice, 36.1% idle |
| 20:33.07 | bbrazil | hdkiller: actually, better idea: process accounting |
| 20:33.14 | hdkiller | bbrazil, process accounting? |
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| 20:33.41 | bbrazil | hdkiller: record time etc of processes, package 'acct' |
| 20:33.44 | mngrif | wow, dpkg is worse than the eggys on dalnet! |
| 20:33.51 | hdkiller | bbrazil, how much will be the poll time for ps auxw? 1 mins should be ok? |
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| 20:33.56 | greycat | !fuck mngrif |
| 20:34.10 | mngrif | greycat: at least i got mine |
| 20:34.15 | Phated | Hah. Best combination yet. |
| 20:34.38 | hdkiller | bbrazil, btw the system is almost fast.. |
| 20:34.51 | bbrazil | hdkiller: the time is O(number of procs), or worse. I heard of one server where that was done once an hour, 8 hours later he found the first one still going (granted crazy setup) |
| 20:35.24 | F-Lelo | bbrazil: where r u from? |
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| 20:35.28 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 20:35.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:35.30 | bbrazil | F-Lelo: not brazil |
| 20:35.31 | MobyTurbo | !r |
| 20:35.31 | dpkg | i heard r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 20:35.40 | F-Lelo | bbrazil: I saw ur IP... just wondering |
| 20:35.43 | F-Lelo | .ie |
| 20:35.49 | bbrazil | F-Lelo: my ip is accurate |
| 20:35.49 | MobyTurbo | !ur |
| 20:35.49 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 20:35.50 | hdkiller | bbrazil, so it's a kind of ioload or something.. but no extra bw usage.. |
| 20:36.03 | F-Lelo | bbrazil: no, I mean... I want to know what country has .ie |
| 20:36.05 | F-Lelo | curiosity =D |
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| 20:36.11 | bbrazil | hdkiller: are there a lot of porcesses aiting for IO? |
| 20:36.17 | bbrazil | F-Lelo: ireland |
| 20:36.18 | Phated | F-Lelo: Ireland. |
| 20:36.24 | F-Lelo | oh... alright, thanks |
| 20:36.25 | F-Lelo | :) |
| 20:36.26 | hdkiller | bbrazil, yeah |
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| 20:36.35 | hdkiller | bbrazil, it's a webserver whit a lot of downloader |
| 20:36.35 | F-Lelo | bbrazil: I am from Brazil, tho hehehe =D |
| 20:36.52 | bbrazil | hdkiller: I suggest dstat in addition to iostat |
| 20:36.55 | hdkiller | bbrazil, it's a well builded scsi system btw |
| 20:36.59 | hdkiller | dstat.. ok |
| 20:37.08 | bbrazil | hdkiller: does network too |
| 20:37.12 | loocek | hi! how to do a kill all processes of some user ?? |
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| 20:37.21 | bbrazil | loocek: pkill -u username |
| 20:37.54 | bbrazil | hdkiller: how many simultaneous downloads? |
| 20:38.00 | loocek | bbrazil: thx |
| 20:38.32 | hdkiller | bbrazil, 58.2 requests/sec - 9.3 MB/second - 163.0 kB/request 307 requests currently being processed, 53 idle server |
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| 20:39.22 | hdkiller | bbrazil, clients are restricted to download big files only on two sessions |
| 20:39.50 | hdkiller | bbrazil, but at the morning i have about 0.5 of load, and about 12 MB/sec output .. |
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| 20:41.59 | Tuttle | may i ask someone to help me how to make microphone working in Sarge? what device in /dev/ to use? there is alsa installed |
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| 20:42.26 | valdyn | Tuttle: in gnome? |
| 20:42.32 | Tuttle | valdyn: yes, in gnome |
| 20:42.36 | bbrazil | hdkiller: http://www.sage-ie.org/slides/webscaling.pdf <-- might have some ideas for you, this a very rare setup though |
| 20:42.51 | valdyn | Tuttle: which recording application? |
| 20:43.27 | Tuttle | valdyn: it is my own program which was used to read /dev/dsp under OSS. now it reads garbage... |
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| 20:43.57 | valdyn | Tuttle: keep reading /dev/dsp |
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| 20:44.25 | valdyn | Tuttle: that will be controlled by alsas oss emulation, youre not supposed to directly access alsa devices in /dev/snd/ |
| 20:44.32 | bbrazil | hdkiller: and has 20-25k processes, peaking at 600Mbit/s |
| 20:44.34 | Tuttle | valdyn: and what to setup? when I run gnome-volume-control, there are MANY very strange labeled slides, Wave 5-times for example... |
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| 20:45.08 | Tuttle | valdyn: I have one sound chip on motherboard and SB Live! in PCI |
| 20:45.10 | hdkiller | bbrazil, im going to check it |
| 20:45.17 | valdyn | Tuttle: cant tell how your things are labeled, if you have a alsa-supported hardware mixer than each "channel" gets its own slider |
| 20:45.47 | valdyn | Tuttle: lsmod | grep snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:46.07 | valdyn | Tuttle: lsmod | grep snd_pcm_oss |
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| 20:46.44 | tuxmaster | gu |
| 20:46.45 | tuxmaster | hello |
| 20:46.47 | tuxmaster | anyone here |
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| 20:46.55 | Unskill3d | no |
| 20:46.57 | tuxmaster | lol |
| 20:47.19 | tuxmaster | does anyone know a friendlyer interface on how to setup the source.list |
| 20:47.21 | tuxmaster | then vi |
| 20:47.30 | Unskill3d | no |
| 20:47.31 | stew | tuxmaster: apt-setup |
| 20:47.36 | tuxmaster | thanks |
| 20:47.37 | green_earz | apt-setup |
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| 20:47.58 | abrotman | oh too hard .. curses is ugly! |
| 20:48.19 | paulswm | vi is good and wholesome. |
| 20:48.32 | llvllatrix | vi rox |
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| 20:48.53 | paulswm | http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/viman.gif |
| 20:48.59 | stew | abrotman: use synaptic then :P |
| 20:49.07 | pingouin_ | vi sucks <troll on> |
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| 20:49.26 | paulswm | !start an editor war |
| 20:49.27 | dpkg | nvi is known to cause ulcers |
| 20:49.32 | pingouin_ | :) |
| 20:49.36 | to__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.40 | paulswm | !beat dpkg |
| 20:49.42 | valdyn | Tuttle: cat /proc/asound/devices and/or try the other /dev/dspX |
| 20:49.50 | paulswm | pingouin_: :( |
| 20:49.57 | stew | to__: cplay |
| 20:50.25 | pingouin_ | to__: depends what to listen : cdcd, mpg123, mplayer... |
| 20:50.39 | Tuttle | valdyn: I have no other /dev/dsp? than dsp. Just in /dev/.static. Seems like something dynamically creates and deletes in /dev. |
| 20:51.02 | stew | Tuttle: sounds like udev |
| 20:51.07 | valdyn | Tuttle: thats ok, youre using udev, so you have no other capture device |
| 20:51.08 | PabloVV | someone can help me with the configuration of X, I have a thinkpad i series |
| 20:51.28 | stew | !drxx PabloVV |
| 20:51.29 | dpkg | PabloVV: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 20:51.30 | Tuttle | stew: how can i tell for sure? i'm using default 2.6.8-2-686 package |
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| 20:51.44 | stew | Tuttle: dpkg -l udev |
| 20:51.47 | valdyn | Tuttle: use gstreamer-properties to test your microphone - all there is left to check as far as i can see is mixer settings |
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| 20:52.17 | Tuttle | stew: yep, udevd is running, causing me a headache :) |
| 20:52.18 | stew | Tuttle: if you get some line like "ii udev blahblahblH" then its udev |
| 20:52.22 | stew | !udev |
| 20:52.22 | dpkg | i heard udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 20:52.36 | valdyn | Tuttle: leave udev alone, nothing wrong with it |
| 20:52.52 | stew | i've been too scared to mess with it |
| 20:52.54 | PabloVV | dpkg I'm trying |
| 20:53.00 | stew | i don't know what its going to solve for me so i'm leaving it alone |
| 20:53.04 | stew | !beer abrotman |
| 20:53.06 | Eclipser | most bluetooth devices should work with linux if I have a working bluetooth adapter, right? |
| 20:53.07 | stew | happy friday |
| 20:53.13 | llvllatrix | valdyn: I tried setting up alsa emulation, which seems to work (tested with xmms, and there are a few changes with sox's behaviour) but sox still seems to conflict when there is something accessing the sound device |
| 20:53.19 | abrotman | stew: oh yes .. more more more ! |
| 20:53.23 | Eclipser | I'm thinking of buying a bluetooth mouse for my laptop |
| 20:53.36 | abrotman | extra money huh? |
| 20:53.40 | PabloVV | it ask for video card's bus identifier, what do I have to put |
| 20:53.40 | abrotman | yay tax returns! |
| 20:53.47 | abrotman | PabloVV: nothing |
| 20:53.54 | valdyn | llvllatrix: you cannot have multiple applications output to the same oss device, simple as that |
| 20:54.02 | llvllatrix | valdyn: might help if i tell u what i'm using sox for; i'm trying to get festival setup on my onboard snd card; have to run audio through sox |
| 20:54.16 | hdkiller | bbrazil, that's was cool anyway ;> |
| 20:54.16 | ulx | to get a secure system, seems best to deactivate portmap.. WHERE is it started.. can't see it in rc2.d |
| 20:54.27 | llvllatrix | valdyn: which is why i'm trying to have sox go through alsa |
| 20:54.40 | hdkiller | bbrazil, i should follow in some |
| 20:54.45 | bbrazil | hdkiller: you try listening to that talk 3 times though :( |
| 20:54.52 | valdyn | llvllatrix: can you output multiple alsa streams? |
| 20:55.00 | llvllatrix | valdyn: i think so |
| 20:55.31 | llvllatrix | valdyn: how do u enable alsa type support for sox? |
| 20:55.33 | hdkiller | bbrazil, ? |
| 20:55.44 | valdyn | llvllatrix: thats neither possible nor needed |
| 20:55.56 | valdyn | llvllatrix: have sox output to stdin, pipe it thru aplay |
| 20:55.57 | Tuttle | valdyn: gstreamer-properties hides a secret about how may i test the mic with it... :) |
| 20:55.59 | bbrazil | hdkiller: there isn't that much of change to it after 9 months |
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| 20:56.36 | valdyn | Tuttle: Default Source, select ALSA, hit test |
| 20:57.02 | hdkiller | bbrazil, hmm.. yeah, actualy my set up not really complex.. but i just don't realy get why these performance lacks |
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| 20:57.22 | loocek | how to block all users accounts possibly by one command ? |
| 20:57.29 | PabloVV | can be that my video card only have 4 Mb of memory??? |
| 20:57.35 | bbrazil | loocek: touch /etc/nologin |
| 20:57.36 | abrotman | loocek: all of them? |
| 20:57.40 | abrotman | PabloVV: agp ? |
| 20:57.44 | PabloVV | anybody knows this model of thinkpad (i series 1400) |
| 20:57.49 | loocek | yeah...all accounts |
| 20:57.55 | bbrazil | loocek: disables all login - bar root |
| 20:58.07 | abrotman | PabloVV: http://linux-laptop.net/ |
| 20:58.10 | valdyn | llvllatrix: i use neither tool, so youll have to figure syntax by yourself, however something like sox <options> | aplay -t raw |
| 20:58.12 | Tuttle | heya, the mic is working! |
| 20:58.13 | hdkiller | bbrazil, and actualy i got prity good hw :| |
| 20:58.21 | hdkiller | in my case |
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| 20:58.44 | loocek | bbrazil : i don't understand....how ? |
| 20:58.55 | Tuttle | valdyn: the default source test copies the mic to speakers. i'll probably have to fix my /dev/dsp reading app. thank you |
| 20:59.03 | bbrazil | loocek: see /etc/pam.d and /etc/login.defs for why |
| 20:59.04 | PabloVV | mouse port??? |
| 20:59.17 | valdyn | Tuttle: nono , thats just what gstreamer-properties does |
| 20:59.48 | Tuttle | valdyn: so where the problem may lie else? |
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| 21:00.00 | abrotman | PabloVV: you tell us |
| 21:00.21 | PabloVV | y guess its ttyS0, but not sure |
| 21:00.36 | PabloVV | because I have /dev/input /mice |
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| 21:00.40 | valdyn | Tuttle: try "cat /dev/dsp | aplay -t raw". ( maybe your app is doing something that alsas /dev/dsp doesnt grok |
| 21:00.52 | PabloVV | its a logitec corderless mouse, a bit all (4 years old) |
| 21:01.01 | PabloVV | but serial port, not usb |
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| 21:01.29 | Tuttle | valdyn: sound good... |
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| 21:02.04 | PabloVV | abrotman, what do you think about the port of the mouse, wich one should I use? |
| 21:02.15 | abrotman | PabloVV: what jack did you use on the back? |
| 21:02.24 | zinx | mmm serial mice |
| 21:02.25 | valdyn | Tuttle: that worked too? |
| 21:02.26 | PabloVV | the small round |
| 21:02.26 | abrotman | PabloVV: do you really hav ea serial mouse? |
| 21:02.32 | Tuttle | valdyn: yes |
| 21:02.34 | abrotman | PabloVV: that's PS/2 |
| 21:02.40 | abrotman | but /dev/input/mice should work afaik |
| 21:02.42 | PabloVV | yes |
| 21:02.50 | valdyn | Tuttle: your app is broken then, somehow |
| 21:02.58 | PabloVV | so, |
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| 21:03.14 | goron | How can I identify machines in my NAT network by name (instead of ip adres). The machine I want to reach has a hostname, but just using that hostname is not enough apparently. There must be some register service to do this kind of stuff. So the question is: how do I do this? |
| 21:03.15 | Tuttle | valdyn: thank you. I didn't know about these tests. you've helped me |
| 21:03.54 | valdyn | goron: how big a nat? |
| 21:03.58 | valdyn | goron: how big a network? |
| 21:04.17 | goron | valdyn: Two computers behind a nat router. |
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| 21:04.28 | PabloVV | no? |
| 21:04.30 | valdyn | goron: edit /etc/hosts |
| 21:05.02 | valdyn | goron: on both hosts |
| 21:05.20 | goron | valdyn: And then I need to give them a preferred Ip adres? |
| 21:05.41 | valdyn | goron: no, they already have their IP adress, you assign a name to the IP adress |
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| 21:06.02 | burgermann_ | lo :D |
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| 21:06.09 | tuxmaster | i hate updating |
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| 21:06.12 | tuxmaster | it takes so long |
| 21:06.45 | burgermann_ | does anyone know which file represents a USB port in /dev/ ? |
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| 21:07.10 | valdyn | burgermann_: none? |
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| 21:07.51 | goron | valdyn: I came up with this: 127.0.0.1 localhost mymachine_name |
| 21:08.06 | burgermann_ | valdyn, ah... so if connected my cell phone to my laptop and some sync program asks me which device i wanna connect to..... theres no device? :S |
| 21:08.19 | goron | valdyn: But how does the other computer know where mymachine_name is? |
| 21:08.30 | Jason | xZiBiT ... Your a spam but son. |
| 21:08.32 | valdyn | goron: you need to edit the other computers hosts file too |
| 21:08.45 | GoneWacko | hmm I have a bit of a problem. My sound works, but only in the first application I boot (that uses it)... For example, when I run xmms and afterwards start a game, it won't play sound... I found out that I needed dmix (or so some people told me), and now two instances of the same application can indeed output sound at the same time, however two different applications, e.g. xmms and alsaplayer, won't (the second application ends up in what se |
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| 21:08.52 | GoneWacko | ems to be a queue =/) Anyone know what I have to do? :) |
| 21:09.08 | valdyn | goron: unless you install a dns server ( but thats probably overkill if you have just 2 computers ) |
| 21:09.25 | abrotman | GoneWacko: which desktop? |
| 21:09.46 | anjel | question: I've followed "3.10 How to keep specific versions of packages installed (complex)" (apt-get manual) and set everything right to get shorewall from unstable, however I get: "The following packages have been kept back: shorewall" |
| 21:09.51 | valdyn | burgermann_: a device may be connected via usb, that doesnt mean that the usb port needs a device file |
| 21:10.09 | PabloVV | crash when starting x |
| 21:10.33 | PabloVV | what can I do to work arround |
| 21:10.34 | valdyn | burgermann_: devices get device files, not ports |
| 21:10.34 | GoneWacko | abrotman, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by Desktop seeing as it has a lot of meanings :p |
| 21:10.34 | abrotman | PabloVV: read the error log |
| 21:10.37 | goron | valdyn: But how do I do the mapping. I mean putting 127.0.0.1 to localhost mymachine isn't going to help. I need to communicate the ip adres somehow. Would you care to explain how I get one computer know the other (the other case is simple then). |
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| 21:10.41 | abrotman | GoneWacko: kde/gnome/sommethingelseentirely? |
| 21:10.45 | GoneWacko | gnome 2.8 :) |
| 21:10.47 | PabloVV | placed??? |
| 21:10.49 | burgermann_ | valdyn, ah oki... but I guess my phone's a device then? :} |
| 21:10.54 | abrotman | PabloVV: /var/log oddly enough |
| 21:11.09 | GoneWacko | abrotman: gnome 2.8 |
| 21:11.22 | valdyn | goron: in /etc/hosts, make a line like: <othercomputerIP> hisname |
| 21:11.25 | PabloVV | xfree86.0.log?? |
| 21:11.30 | abrotman | GoneWacko: is esd running? .. did you tell gstreamer to use alsa .. is xmms using alsa? |
| 21:11.35 | abrotman | PabloVV: good place to start |
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| 21:11.40 | goron | valdyn: But wouldn't that ip change when I reboot? |
| 21:11.58 | valdyn | goron: if you use dhcp, yes |
| 21:12.13 | llvllatrix | valdyn: lolz, i just thought of something; could i just not use aplay directly from festival and just not use sox? |
| 21:12.14 | valdyn | goron: do you? |
| 21:12.46 | PabloVV | says the directory /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID does not exist |
| 21:12.47 | goron | valdyn: Well, without my network I used it, but now I have NAT, my Ip adresses all start with 192 |
| 21:12.51 | valdyn | llvllatrix: well, sure, but aplay is just for playback, sox has effects too, if all you want to do is playback, then dont bother with sox |
| 21:12.58 | PabloVV | and soms unscaleds |
| 21:13.06 | GoneWacko | abrotman: pidof esd returns nothing, I never touched gstreamer since I (re)installed my debian system this afternoon, and I'm pretty sure xmms is using alsa, yes :) |
| 21:13.21 | llvllatrix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.22 | abrotman | GoneWacko: i think it's actually called esound |
| 21:13.29 | abrotman | llvllatrix: please don't talk like that |
| 21:13.48 | PabloVV | open apm failed |
| 21:13.57 | goron | valdyn: So I don't really know. Do I? |
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| 21:14.01 | valdyn | goron: maybe you can make your router assign identical IP each time via the computers MAC adress |
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| 21:14.27 | goron | valdyn: So I need to configure my router for that? |
| 21:14.33 | PabloVV | should I reinstall something? |
| 21:14.37 | valdyn | goron: grep inet /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:14.38 | GoneWacko | abrotman: nope, nothing from pidof esound and I do not see anything similar in top |
| 21:14.38 | Tuttle | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.40 | zinx | goron: probably |
| 21:14.44 | PabloVV | I have installed kde just yesterday |
| 21:15.01 | valdyn | goron: output of above command please so i can see if you use dhcp |
| 21:15.12 | goron | iface lo inet loopback |
| 21:15.13 | goron | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 21:15.18 | goron | valdyn: So yes. |
| 21:15.20 | abrotman | GoneWacko: is alsa even working? |
| 21:15.39 | paulswm | Tuttle: apt-file |
| 21:15.45 | valdyn | goron: ok, try to configure your router to assign identical IP each time, then edit the /etc/hosts file(s) |
| 21:16.04 | valdyn | goron: i dont know your router, maybe it can act as a dns server too, up to you to figure that out |
| 21:16.14 | goron | valdyn: Ok, I sure hope my cheap-ass router supports that. |
| 21:16.14 | PabloVV | What can I do to fix My Xconfiguration |
| 21:16.17 | Tuttle | paulswm: that'll be it, thanks |
| 21:16.20 | abrotman | PabloVV: look for EE lines |
| 21:16.25 | valdyn | goron: my cheapass one does |
| 21:16.26 | goron | valdyn: And setting up a dns server on one of the machines? |
| 21:16.36 | paulswm | Tuttle: yw |
| 21:16.41 | Tuttle | :) |
| 21:16.45 | valdyn | goron: that alone wouldnt help with your changing IPs |
| 21:16.49 | goron | valdyn: Under the assumption that one is always booted up first. |
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| 21:16.54 | GoneWacko | abrotman: well I did have sound before (of an application that I am pretty sure of that it uses alsa in this case (OpenTTD, it gave errors about alsa before)) |
| 21:17.10 | goron | valdyn: I think the first machine gets assigned a lower ip adres. |
| 21:17.11 | abrotman | GoneWacko: did you run alsaconf ? |
| 21:17.21 | goron | er. address. |
| 21:17.32 | valdyn | goron: if your router cannot assign ip adress by MAC, then you can still use static IP on your computers, nothing forcing you to use dhcp |
| 21:17.38 | PabloVV | abrotman: for what??? |
| 21:18.00 | abrotman | PabloVV: EE lines are errors |
| 21:18.04 | goron | valdyn: I think my provider is (or can't they)? |
| 21:18.08 | GoneWacko | abrotman: hmm, nope, I had not :) Doing so now. |
| 21:18.11 | PabloVV | I dont have any |
| 21:18.22 | phigan | oky |
| 21:18.24 | valdyn | goron: they cant, your provider only affects your routers external IP |
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| 21:18.50 | goron | valdyn: Oh, yeah. Now, I am my own "provider". |
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| 21:19.02 | valdyn | goron: right. |
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| 21:19.52 | goron | valdyn: How can I tell Debian to use a static ip? (I am sorry for all those questions, documentation would also be good (If you mind)). |
| 21:20.10 | valdyn | !faq goron |
| 21:20.11 | dpkg | goron: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:20.14 | Segers_J | PabloVV: when you run "less /var/log/XFree86.0.log" look for the first line starting with EE, that describes your problem. |
| 21:20.29 | budluva | xZiBiT, thats a nice onjoin ya have there |
| 21:20.30 | PabloVV | abrotman I have somes WW, but not EE |
| 21:20.36 | PabloVV | its the same? |
| 21:20.43 | abrotman | PabloVV: what does the last line say? |
| 21:20.50 | abrotman | or last few lines .. and don't paste it here |
| 21:20.51 | aardvark | :-| |
| 21:20.53 | GoneWacko | abrotman: :( Again, when I first run xmms, tell it to play, and while it's playing, try to run an alsaplayer, the alsaplayer will not start playing before I tell XMMS to stop |
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| 21:21.04 | budluva | is there an official dvd of debian available via bittorent? |
| 21:21.14 | aardvark | !ops xZiBiT spammy spambot |
| 21:21.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: xZiBiT spammy spambot |
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| 21:21.25 | abrotman | GoneWacko: hrm .. that sounds odd .. did you try restarting the machine? .. the OSS modules may still be in place |
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| 21:21.39 | valdyn | goron: NetworkingPage at 4. Old pages |
| 21:21.43 | aardvark | * Dns resolved 81.212.112.208 to mstr81212-28880.dial-in.ttnet.net.tr |
| 21:21.45 | aardvark | :-| |
| 21:21.46 | PabloVV | I have some problems with the mouse |
| 21:21.53 | caphuso | aardvark: you expected something else? |
| 21:21.54 | GoneWacko | I did a couple of times although I am not sure if I did so since I made _some_ progress :) brb :P |
| 21:21.59 | aardvark | caphuso: nope. |
| 21:21.59 | valdyn | !mouse 2.6 |
| 21:21.59 | dpkg | methinks mouse 2.6 is see: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199 |
| 21:22.03 | d3s | hello, I'm using xfontsel to select the font, but when I'm using torsmo, I can use the font I've selected |
| 21:22.22 | PabloVV | and some warnings that says already registered at priority 0 at the end |
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| 21:23.16 | Segers_J | PabloVV: what are the symptoms of the mouse problem? |
| 21:24.06 | goron | valdyn: Don't you mean point three, which says: |
| 21:24.07 | PabloVV | says xf860ApenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice no such device |
| 21:24.08 | goron | auto eth0 |
| 21:24.08 | goron | iface eth0 inet static |
| 21:24.08 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.08 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:24.13 | Overand | link for fixing broken package-removal? |
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| 21:24.15 | [TACO] | Anyone know if grep would have a problem with the redirection; cat filename | grep -i < > filename |
| 21:24.19 | PabloVV | and generic mosuse: Cannot open input device |
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| 21:24.34 | cafuego | [TACO]: Yes, that command names no sense. |
| 21:24.34 | PabloVV | preinti failed from input device "generic Mouse" |
| 21:24.34 | valdyn | !tell goron about paste |
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| 21:24.41 | cafuego | [TACO]: useless use of cat alert! |
| 21:24.42 | aardvark | !moron goron |
| 21:24.42 | valdyn | goron: yes |
| 21:24.43 | dpkg | goron: You are moron #42 |
| 21:24.43 | caphuso | [TACO]: 1) grep doesn't know at all about redirections and 2) your redirection makes no sense at all |
| 21:24.51 | cafuego | [TACO]: grep foo filename > out |
| 21:24.59 | GoneWacko | abrotman: =( No such luck |
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| 21:25.14 | [TACO] | cafuego: thanks man, I forgot grep can do that |
| 21:25.15 | PabloVV | what you think about this??? |
| 21:25.17 | paulswm | aardvark: Very poetic, I had no idea of your skills :) |
| 21:25.28 | GoneWacko | bleh. I hate it when something doesn't quite work the way I want it to.. The fact that I suck at fixing stuff makes me sad :P |
| 21:25.36 | goron | !moron something |
| 21:25.36 | dpkg | something: You are moron #83 |
| 21:25.47 | goron | !moron something |
| 21:25.48 | dpkg | something: You are moron #25 |
| 21:25.48 | abrotman | GoneWacko: hrm .. maybe try #alsa? .. |
| 21:25.57 | GoneWacko | I'll try :-) |
| 21:25.58 | PabloVV | what dpkg |
| 21:26.03 | gnat_x | anyone know how significantly different the modules for pcmcia would be between two makes of laptops. i'm trying to force sarge onto an older thinkpad with no cd drive. i threw the hd into a dell laptop, but i'm not sure the pcmcia modules will work. |
| 21:26.06 | Overand | Is there a way to tell what process is associated with what open network socket? |
| 21:26.17 | cafuego | Overand: 'netstat -nap | grep process' |
| 21:26.32 | cafuego | Overand: You'll want to run thata s root |
| 21:26.34 | BadMan | !paster |
| 21:26.35 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away. |
| 21:26.46 | Overand | cafuego: not a lot of luck there |
| 21:26.54 | PabloVV | abrotman, I'm getting crazy with this |
| 21:26.55 | BadMan | gnat_x: build some boot floppies for netinst |
| 21:26.56 | Overand | most of the stuff is unlisted. |
| 21:27.09 | abrotman | PabloVV: well . if you're still here in a bit .. i'll be back .. time for me to head home |
| 21:27.11 | gnat_x | BadMan: no floppy drive either :( |
| 21:27.26 | Segers_J | PabloVV: ok, so create /dev/input/mice with the command (as root) mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63 (someone please correct me if that command is incorrect) |
| 21:27.29 | BadMan | gnat_x: well that bites.. |
| 21:27.34 | PabloVV | ok, I'll be here looking for help, thanks |
| 21:27.52 | cafuego | aardvark: http://www.waxvisual.com/waxaudio/mp3/Imagine%20This.MP3 |
| 21:28.05 | PabloVV | anyway I'll still be asiking if someone else know how to configure my mouse, that I think that is the problem |
| 21:28.43 | gnat_x | BadMan: well the machine was free, with busted lcd, looking to make it into a lighweight portable test server, or whatever fun things i can do with it, once i can get it on the net |
| 21:29.04 | goron | valdyn: The address is probably the desired ip address. I think this could be anything (as it's translated by NAT). Although, on the otherhand it might have to start with 192.168.100 for some reason. I forgot what the netmask was(except for it being a mask :) ), and the gateway: not the slightest idea of what to do with it. |
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| 21:29.40 | valdyn | goron: you can look up reasonable values by typing "ifconfig" and looking at current values |
| 21:29.55 | PabloVV | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.59 | PabloVV | that I have to do |
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| 21:30.16 | valdyn | goron: and /etc/resolv.conf for your current nameserver |
| 21:30.30 | Segers_J | PabloVV: the whole thing until 13 63 |
| 21:30.48 | gnat_x | also is there a linux laptop channel on freenode? |
| 21:31.10 | valdyn | goron: it cannot be "any" IP, it must be one off your current segment, so leave 192.168.100 |
| 21:31.23 | goron | valdyn: Oh, yeah. gateway is nameserver. |
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| 21:31.28 | PabloVV | mknod says the file exist |
| 21:31.32 | PabloVV | so??? |
| 21:32.00 | dli | PabloVV, don't understand why you have to mknod, kernel should do it auto |
| 21:32.09 | d3s | how can I use anorexia font? it is on xfontsel but i can't use it |
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| 21:32.19 | PabloVV | I have not idea about it |
| 21:32.31 | dli | PabloVV, what kernel? |
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| 21:32.38 | PabloVV | it was a suggest, I have my mind open for suggest |
| 21:32.46 | Segers_J | dli: X was saying /dev/input/mice not found. |
| 21:32.49 | PabloVV | las woody, installed 2 days ago |
| 21:32.58 | PabloVV | command to know kenrel number? |
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| 21:32.59 | dli | PabloVV, dmesg|less |
| 21:33.09 | dli | PabloVV, search for 'mouse' |
| 21:33.17 | PabloVV | dli what? |
| 21:33.48 | dli | PabloVV, dmesg|less |
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| 21:34.56 | PabloVV | ok without the |less I can run it |
| 21:35.06 | PabloVV | and what you whant to know about this? |
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| 21:35.19 | goron | valdyn: If you have a bigger addressspace of the internet, then you netmask, has a smaller value, right? |
| 21:35.26 | Paganist | how can i have a dpkg -l that shows the whole package name ? i want to know more than this... ii linux-kernel-h 2.5.999-test7- Linux Kernel Headers for development |
| 21:35.35 | Paganist | like the version for example... |
| 21:35.39 | dli | PabloVV, dmesg|grep mouse |
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| 21:35.53 | dacer | how to install grub in a second disk (backup disk) and then remove first disk amd boot only with backup disk? |
| 21:35.53 | Segers_J | Paganist: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 21:36.02 | Paganist | Segers_J: thank you |
| 21:36.04 | PabloVV | I have not idea but the "|" doesent work in this kb |
| 21:36.06 | valdyn | goron: yes, except your adressspace is not part of the internet |
| 21:36.13 | Segers_J | :) |
| 21:36.15 | PabloVV | any command without it |
| 21:36.44 | PabloVV | it says nothing |
| 21:36.54 | PabloVV | dmesg|grep mouse |
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| 21:37.04 | PabloVV | no error no nothing |
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| 21:37.10 | Servo888 | Anybody know of some sort of 'light weight' window manager that can be geared for people with little knowledge of computers? Mainly something that can handle a few buttons, to open something up or close it? |
| 21:37.15 | zulkifar | Hi. Anybody knows why could suid'ed program still doesn't run with root privs? I suided 'cdrecord' but 'cdrecord -scanbus' can't read /dev/sg* devices. |
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| 21:37.44 | PabloVV | fluxbox it's a good wm and light |
| 21:38.03 | goron | valdyn: Yes, but what is my complete addressspace (as I recall from my Networking book from Tanenbaum, it was 256 computers (this would mean I could change only least significant byte (the last)). |
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| 21:38.26 | Servo888 | That's what I got loaded up. Still a bit complex though. I'm thinking maybe something like xfce. |
| 21:38.44 | valdyn | goron: yea, basically, nearly, its only 254 computers ( 0 and 255 should not be used by hosts ) |
| 21:38.54 | PabloVV | dli: dmesg|grep mouse it doesent makes anything |
| 21:39.30 | dli | PabloVV, recompile your kernel |
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| 21:39.38 | Servo888 | PabloVV, I'm thinking something like Matchbox, but only for the i386 platform. |
| 21:39.49 | dli | PabloVV, usb support, hid support |
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| 21:40.10 | PabloVV | ok, say me what do i have to do, because I have no idea |
| 21:40.15 | dli | PabloVV, why bother to mknod without kernel usb mouse support? |
| 21:40.16 | PabloVV | ;) |
| 21:40.28 | dli | PabloVV, anyway, "lsusb" |
| 21:40.33 | valdyn | !usb mouse |
| 21:40.33 | dpkg | usb mouse is, like, "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 21:40.43 | PabloVV | no, its ps2 mouse |
| 21:41.18 | Pappa | kilobits to megabits |
| 21:41.26 | PabloVV | corderless logitec, a bit old, 4 years, but very good one |
| 21:41.29 | Pappa | is that *100 or *1024? |
| 21:41.35 | Pappa | *1000 |
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| 21:41.39 | Pappa | not 100 |
| 21:41.56 | cafuego | 1024 |
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| 21:42.03 | Virtual | who can recommend me a good FTP manager for linux ? like cuteftp on windows |
| 21:42.11 | cafuego | your ISP may disagree |
| 21:42.12 | Pappa | kbear? |
| 21:42.22 | Pappa | i jsut use the bsd ftp |
| 21:42.23 | PabloVV | what do i have to do, I have to recompile kernel for a ps2 mouse????? |
| 21:42.37 | Phated | modprobe psmouse, modprobe mousedev? |
| 21:42.45 | PabloVV | and usb support, the 2.4.xxxx doesent support it? |
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| 21:43.03 | Segers_J | PabloVV: no, please no, use a stock kernel until you really want to learn how to compile one. |
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| 21:43.35 | Pappa | of course 2.4 supports usb mice |
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| 21:43.55 | PabloVV | but it`s ps/2 mouse |
| 21:44.10 | Phated | FFS, can you at least try modprobe psmouse and modprobe mousedev? |
| 21:44.18 | PabloVV | so, where is the problem, I don`t understand |
| 21:44.35 | Segers_J | PabloVV: stupid question, was the mouse plugged in when you booted the machine? |
| 21:44.38 | Pappa | do a /exec - -o ls -l /dev/psaux |
| 21:44.52 | PabloVV | yes |
| 21:44.56 | Jedha | http://www.unununium.org/ |
| 21:44.56 | Segers_J | k |
| 21:45.08 | PabloVV | it was plugged |
| 21:45.17 | Jedha | (OS) |
| 21:45.21 | Phated | IS your mouse not working in X, in gpm, what? |
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| 21:45.36 | Virtual | now can anybody tell me a program to access the xolox network or the kazaa network for linux ? |
| 21:45.54 | Segers_J | PabloVV: try what Phated said before she gets more frustrated. :) |
| 21:45.55 | pipeline | Virtual: giftoxic |
| 21:45.58 | bucky | Jedha, you put the 'em pha sis on the wrong 'syl la ble |
| 21:45.59 | goron | valdyn: ok, I think my Windows machine has a static ip now. Now, I will change the Debian files. Thanks :) |
| 21:46.01 | pipeline | Virtual: It sucks ass, but not as much ass as kazaa. |
| 21:46.02 | Pappa | meh. |
| 21:46.16 | Pappa | giFT, gift-fasttrack and apollon |
| 21:46.18 | Pappa | you're set |
| 21:46.22 | pipeline | Virtual: You probably want "nicotine" and "psyco" (Soulseek client) instead |
| 21:46.38 | Virtual | I need some good client for music mostly |
| 21:46.40 | PabloVV | in x it doesn`t work |
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| 21:46.59 | Pappa | Virtual: and there's mldonkey, this huge all-in-one thingie |
| 21:47.04 | pipeline | Virtual: Soulseek is an almost exclusively music network |
| 21:47.04 | Inkvisitor | has anyone gotten basilisk2 to run ? |
| 21:47.08 | Phated | In X. Have you, perhaps, tried reconfiguring X... Loading the mouse module? Help us out here, tell us what you've done and what you haven't tried. |
| 21:47.13 | PabloVV | I start x and I have a full gray screen with a pointer in the middle but I can do anything, I have to opena a console and kill x |
| 21:47.16 | Virtual | thanks |
| 21:47.30 | PabloVV | lets do something if you are agree, |
| 21:47.40 | PabloVV | configure x again, what you think? |
| 21:47.44 | Pappa | PabloVV: did you set the mouse device correctly? |
| 21:47.54 | bucky | PabloVV, congrats.. you have xfree installed.. now you need a wm |
| 21:47.58 | PabloVV | so you know what I do |
| 21:47.59 | Pappa | PabloVV: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:48.01 | Phated | Go on, then. More important would be to load the module for the mouse. Have you actually done that? |
| 21:48.24 | PabloVV | ok, here i go with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 21:48.30 | Phated | Also install... I dunno, fluxbox or xfce4 or something. |
| 21:48.40 | goron | valdyn: Can I tell Debian to refresh it's interfaces without rebooting? |
| 21:48.47 | buu | Install ratpoison! |
| 21:48.58 | bucky | PabloVV, apt-get gnome or kde or icewm or whatever you use cause your x is working already |
| 21:49.03 | Phated | Yeah something that looks usable at first glance, yeah. |
| 21:49.17 | Phated | PabloVV: Does your cursor move, anything? |
| 21:49.26 | PabloVV | no |
| 21:49.35 | PabloVV | i cant move it |
| 21:49.54 | Phated | Go reconfigure, and install a wm. |
| 21:49.57 | PabloVV | i have installed, agt-get install server-window-manager kde |
| 21:50.10 | PabloVV | or something almost like this |
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| 21:50.18 | Segers_J | to everyone interested in PabloVV's issue: X says /dev/input/mice device not found, but the char special file exists. that's all I know. |
| 21:50.33 | caphuso | missing modules |
| 21:50.35 | dli | PabloVV, you have to get ps2 mouse support in kernel? |
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| 21:50.48 | cafuego | missing modules, bad permissions, no karma |
| 21:50.50 | caphuso | note how it says "device not found" and not "no such file or directory" |
| 21:50.53 | valdyn | goron: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 21:50.56 | Phated | Why isn't he using /dev/psaux for a ps/2 mouse? |
| 21:51.03 | Inkvisitor | HAHAaa |
| 21:51.05 | cafuego | Phated: Coz that's OLD |
| 21:51.05 | PabloVV | how do i know if I have it |
| 21:51.09 | Phated | Hey, it works. |
| 21:51.10 | Inkvisitor | basilisk2 is running :D |
| 21:51.12 | caphuso | Phated: 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:51.16 | Phated | 2.4 |
| 21:51.17 | cafuego | Phated: You fooz |
| 21:51.23 | Phated | HIS 2.4, not mine. |
| 21:51.25 | Inkvisitor | I snagged the package from unstable instead of testing and now it works ! |
| 21:51.53 | Phated | Agh, cafuego and caphuso are talking again. |
| 21:52.11 | stew | !confuse Phated |
| 21:52.11 | Phated | Ohno. |
| 21:52.12 | dpkg | No, those is your ferret yesterday, Phated? breeches of the people's republic of belarus with extra cheese |
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| 21:53.09 | goron | valdyn: I think it works (as I still have a connection with IRC) after I did your command(on eth1). Thanks |
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| 21:56.11 | witless | whoa bitches, muunich chooses debian. |
| 21:56.40 | simonrvn | any surprise? ;). they already went for linux instead of M$hit |
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| 21:56.46 | caphuego | damn krauts |
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| 21:56.50 | witless | my money was on suse/novell |
| 21:57.01 | caphuego | witless: suse/novell is fairly shit |
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| 21:57.13 | simonrvn | oh no, caphuego is back ;P |
| 21:57.17 | witless | this could be big - setting the example with a free distro |
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| 21:57.24 | simonrvn | yes :) |
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| 21:57.41 | valdyn | witless: thats where i live, do you have a link about details? |
| 21:57.50 | witless | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39195204,00.htm |
| 21:58.18 | witless | valdyn: i was born in munich - i'm feelin proud of the old place |
| 21:58.29 | zinx | what is it with the organic apple cider, these days? |
| 21:58.32 | zinx | some new fad? |
| 21:58.42 | caphuego | zinx: is it? |
| 21:58.59 | Phated | Organic anything is a semi-new fad. ;) |
| 21:59.02 | caphuego | zinx: I just decided I had to find a decent source after I used crappy cider with the french calvados cream. |
| 21:59.40 | caphuego | turns out the cider palce incidrntally does alocal fortified apple spirit too |
| 22:00.07 | Phated | Is that like the ghost of a healthy apple? Or the healthy ghost of an apple? |
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| 22:00.40 | m0p | when will kde 3.4 be released into sarge? |
| 22:00.41 | caphuego | Phated: it's 30% vol alc apple liquer. |
| 22:00.50 | Phated | caphuego: Nice. |
| 22:00.52 | caphuego | m0p: Possibly never. |
| 22:00.59 | witless | apfel-schnapps |
| 22:01.04 | caphuego | Phated: Very nice indeed. |
| 22:01.05 | m0p | is kde 3.4 still buggy? |
| 22:01.13 | Phated | caphuego: I'll remind myself to have some. |
| 22:01.17 | caphuego | witless: Not really like schnapps, much thicker and sweeter. |
| 22:01.21 | witless | oh |
| 22:01.34 | caphuso | it's a brandy |
| 22:01.38 | witless | i got seriously wasted on that stuff in germany when i was 16. spent the night wrapped around a streetlight |
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| 22:01.44 | caphuego | they did a pear version too |
| 22:01.50 | caphuego | found that a bit too sweet tho |
| 22:02.00 | witless | raf256: congrats |
| 22:02.08 | raf256 | in this week I managed to not use my winXp box for anything instead of games \o/ |
| 22:02.13 | Phated | You've been here, what, two months? It doesn't take that long. |
| 22:02.17 | witless | raf256: YAY! |
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| 22:02.33 | stew | m0p: #debian-kde |
| 22:02.42 | raf256 | and I found out that now I do most [serious] work (IT) on linux more comfortable (still have to find good FTP/SFTP client and _advanced_ emailer as TheBat though) |
| 22:02.52 | m0p | Same here, I use Linux for everything except certain games, particularily games which use DirectX |
| 22:02.55 | caphuso | raf256: lftp for the former |
| 22:02.58 | witless | you'll adjust no problem |
| 22:02.59 | caphuego | m0p: KDE is always buggy, that's not the issue. |
| 22:03.08 | valdyn | raf256: mozilla-mail / thunderbird arent "advanced" ? |
| 22:03.13 | caphuego | m0p: The issue is that adding more new stuff to sarge will delay the release even more. |
| 22:03.15 | raf256 | valdyn: no, they arent |
| 22:03.16 | witless | i use linux exclusively - the only game i'm interested in is RTCW:ET |
| 22:03.17 | defsy | raf256: have you tried sylpheed-claws? |
| 22:03.18 | Phated | A "linux duude" would start playing Quake and UT. |
| 22:03.25 | valdyn | raf256: what do they miss? |
| 22:03.27 | raf256 | valdyn: I need advanced templates with macros/scripts and so on |
| 22:03.28 | caphuego | Phated: nethack, you mean? |
| 22:03.29 | stew | Phated: nethack |
| 22:03.30 | m0p | I have Cedega, but ATi's pathetic drivers always lockup when running anything with D3D :( |
| 22:03.37 | raf256 | defsy: Im trying it right now, slowly |
| 22:03.46 | raf256 | but TheBat mailer is __realy__ advanced |
| 22:03.56 | Phated | stew, caphuego: Nono, that would be "linux dude". You can't play nethack without spelling. |
| 22:04.12 | m0p | Anyone managed to get HL2 workin on an ATi card in Cedega yet? |
| 22:04.15 | caphuso | yeah, wishing for an amulet of live saving sucks |
| 22:04.23 | stew | i get like 70fps even with the free ati drivers when i play nethack!!OMG |
| 22:04.24 | Phated | Precisely. |
| 22:04.33 | caphuego | The Phated hits! The Phated hits! You die. Hit return to continue... |
| 22:05.35 | raf256 | what linux front end for GDB would You reccomend? |
| 22:05.48 | valdyn | raf256: DDD |
| 22:05.52 | witless | raf256: what do you do that requires advanced e-mail features like that? |
| 22:05.54 | dacer | I backup a partition into another with dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb2 bs=1024k. sdb2 is bigger than sda2, but after copy df say sdb2 is same size as sda2. partition is jfs, how can I solve it? I try with fsck.jfs but nothing |
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| 22:06.15 | caphuso | dacer: you need to resize the filesystem |
| 22:06.17 | raf256 | witless: well I would like to have auto-response including current time, time of email, |
| 22:06.22 | dacer | yes, how? |
| 22:06.30 | dacer | fdisk say correct size |
| 22:06.32 | simpatico_webCAM | :((((hello))))):my name is luis/man/26/1.76m/singel/black hair and eyes/bunnet-clear skin :) any lady wanna chat with me? please :) add me to your msn: niceman26@hotmail.com |
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| 22:06.39 | raf256 | that will also add all sender/recipents to my adress book and therefore they will pass spam-filter |
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| 22:06.42 | Phated | !ops simpatico_webCAM spamming |
| 22:06.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: simpatico_webCAM spamming |
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| 22:06.46 | valdyn | raf256: plenty tools for that, just not gui |
| 22:07.01 | Phated | Can't spell either. |
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| 22:07.07 | witless | raf256: i think thunderbird does the spam/addrbook thing |
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| 22:07.30 | raf256 | valdyn: welll I like gui \o/ buuut... ok, with console tool is _most_ advanced? but also easy to learn with good tutorial? |
| 22:07.43 | mike_ | hi, does anyone know what the following process is? |
| 22:07.43 | mike_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.47 | raf256 | witless: yea, but not in a way as TheBut does, its a real fucking email office |
| 22:08.08 | caphuso | mike_: gnome corba stuff |
| 22:08.12 | witless | i think shell scripting is used for that kind of stuff |
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| 22:08.27 | mike_ | caphuso: ok, thanks |
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| 22:08.50 | dacer | caphuso ? |
| 22:08.57 | Phated | caphuso: Oh yeah thanks. :) |
| 22:09.03 | caphuso | dacer: ! |
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| 22:09.17 | dacer | caphuso, how to resize partition? |
| 22:09.17 | witless | recently i created a script that accepts an e-mail containing a DBF database table, converts it to CSV, and then sends it to another destination. does TheBat do that? |
| 22:09.29 | dacer | fdisk say correct size |
| 22:09.31 | valdyn | raf256: thebat is just exactly the contrary of the unix philosophy ( one tool for everything opposed to one different tool for each different job ) |
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| 22:09.35 | caphuso | dacer: you don't. you resize the filesystem |
| 22:09.59 | dacer | sorry, how to resize filesystem? |
| 22:10.00 | raf256 | valdyn: well, I use just email part of thebat, but I need _advanced_ scripting |
| 22:10.15 | raf256 | dacer: its not so easy in general |
| 22:10.24 | raf256 | dacer: if You have LVM its easy |
| 22:10.35 | raf256 | but You dont otherwise U would know the answare |
| 22:10.39 | caphuso | raf256: depends on the filestem. ISTR that it's quite easy with JFS |
| 22:10.43 | Danar | can anyone help me with an annoying prob? every time i reboot, the volume for my left speaker resets to about 80% |
| 22:10.54 | pipeline | Danar: save your mixer settings |
| 22:10.57 | Danar | how can i fix that? i'm using alsa, btw |
| 22:10.57 | pipeline | Danar: with alsactl |
| 22:11.00 | S4nD3r_ | Is there any channel which persons are specialists in hacking art? |
| 22:11.01 | dacer | ok |
| 22:11.02 | raf256 | Danar: perhaps alsactl save |
| 22:11.06 | dacer | another way |
| 22:11.07 | Danar | pipeline: i don't have that... :/ |
| 22:11.08 | raf256 | or store |
| 22:11.12 | valdyn | S4nD3r_: you mean cracking? |
| 22:11.20 | valdyn | S4nD3r_: hacking is #c |
| 22:11.28 | pipeline | S4nD3r_: The art of "hacking" is to throw shit at a wall and see what sticks. There's nothing artistic about it. |
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| 22:11.45 | S4nD3r_ | hunnn |
| 22:11.47 | Danar | and, "E: Couldn't find package alsactl" |
| 22:11.51 | witless | ok, so let's say you want to do scripting in an e-mail client. is there one that supports that? like eg. python scripting or soemthing? |
| 22:12.11 | caphuso | witless: gnus is _completely_ scriptable with emacs lisp |
| 22:12.12 | valdyn | Danar: type alsactl store |
| 22:12.14 | raf256 | Danar: apt-get install alsatools I think |
| 22:12.17 | raf256 | !alsatools |
| 22:12.21 | dacer | /dev/sdb2 is a copy of /dev/sda2, I can erase /dev/sdb2 and create partition again, but how can I bakcup a partition into another ? |
| 22:12.26 | raf256 | ??alsactl |
| 22:12.38 | Danar | i don't have it, i said |
| 22:12.39 | raf256 | dpkg: move ass yo mamma ho |
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| 22:12.44 | Danar | "command not found: alsactl" |
| 22:12.55 | pipeline | Danar: You will need to remedy that problem. |
| 22:12.55 | raf256 | dpkg: You suck |
| 22:12.55 | dpkg | Dream on, raf256. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 22:13.00 | Phated | Go dpkg. |
| 22:13.19 | Danar | pipeline: well it's not in the deb repository. not by that name anyway |
| 22:13.25 | Danar | neither is alsatools |
| 22:13.35 | Phated | alsa-utils? |
| 22:13.45 | valdyn | Danar: apt-get install alsa-utils and /msg dpkg alsa 2.6 |
| 22:13.49 | Phated | You can apt-get that, anyway. |
| 22:13.59 | Danar | got alsa-utils |
| 22:14.12 | drac | dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base, to select.. saving options.. |
| 22:14.12 | valdyn | Danar: run alsactl store as root |
| 22:14.29 | Danar | drac: thx |
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| 22:15.16 | Danar | ok, thanks for all your efforts ppl |
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| 22:15.34 | Segers_J | dacer: well the naive way would be cp -a /root/of/source /root/of/backup (I don't know what the limitations of this method are, perhaps you could google linux backup) |
| 22:16.11 | fbeyer | I have a server with 3 IDE_HDDs and 2 SCSI-HDDs. During reboot, there is a failure message: "Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short |
| 22:16.12 | fbeyer | read while trying to open /dev/hda1. Could this be a zero-length partition? [...] fsck failed". When I comment out 2 of 3 IDE partitions in /etc/fstab, the error disappears. I get no error when i mount the partitions by hand. WTF? |
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| 22:17.50 | caphuego | fbeyer: When you mount by hand it doesn't attempt to run fsck. This implied the filesystem is currupt. |
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| 22:20.10 | fbeyer | caphuego: Running fsck after booting does not print an error either |
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| 22:20.59 | nSe | what does dvd means? |
| 22:21.06 | fbeyer | Moreover: When I skip the "reparation request" (Ctrl^D) and continue booting, everything seems to work as expected |
| 22:21.09 | caphuego | digital versatile disc |
| 22:21.17 | fbeyer | @nSe: a test? |
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| 22:22.19 | nSe | fbeyer: a test |
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| 22:22.50 | Gil | hi all - anyone here have much experience with bootsplash? |
| 22:23.18 | caphuego | nSe: A test of what? |
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| 22:24.46 | hdkiller | bbrazil, i have made a statistic from the last hour, in every 15 mins, do u intresting the results? i can past it for you (6 lines at all) in msg.. i think php-cgi was it... |
| 22:24.48 | nSe | caphuego: a mind test |
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| 22:25.00 | caphuego | nSe: a mind test? |
| 22:25.12 | caphuego | Wtf is a mind test? |
| 22:25.15 | mike | hi, is there a package containing the spca5xx webcam driver? |
| 22:25.49 | caphuego | And how would reciting a simple abbreviation give any info about anyone's mind? |
| 22:26.24 | nSe | caphuego: yes, a problem mind test: people ask question and depending on your answer you are or not mind problemed |
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| 22:27.24 | martin | hello ? |
| 22:27.36 | nSe | caphuego: words are full of mistery |
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| 22:27.43 | sdferew5erter | hi |
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| 22:27.55 | sdferew5erter | what's the website that u can paste text and show it to people? |
| 22:28.06 | martin | Setting up kernel-image-2.6.8 (custom.1.0) ... |
| 22:28.06 | martin | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 22:28.06 | martin | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 22:28.06 | martin | LANGUAGE = (unset), |
| 22:28.06 | martin | LC_ALL = (unset), |
| 22:28.06 | sdferew5erter | and it has syntax highlighting as well |
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| 22:28.20 | mike | martin: #flood |
| 22:28.37 | martin | how to set locale settings |
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| 22:29.14 | psyklops | sdferew5erter: pastebin |
| 22:29.24 | psyklops | don't know about syntax highlighting... |
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| 22:29.35 | sdferew5erter | can you give me the linke to it? |
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| 22:29.50 | psyklops | www.pastebin.com |
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| 22:31.07 | newbie | can anyone tell me how to clear the dpkg.. I did an apt get on a file, and it keeps giving me errors.. even though if I do any other apt-get'ing |
| 22:31.09 | sdferew5erter | ok, thx a lot |
| 22:31.51 | pipeline | Hmm, what are the unofficial 3.4 repositories? |
| 22:31.56 | pipeline | err, kde 3.4 |
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| 22:32.23 | bbrazil | hdkiller: please do |
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| 22:33.56 | hdkiller | bbrazil, http://rafb.net/paste/results/GEIFhH40.html |
| 22:34.05 | hdkiller | bbrazil, that's is |
| 22:34.20 | newbie | no takers on the apt-get problem? |
| 22:34.57 | bucky | apt-get clean |
| 22:35.00 | pipeline | apt-get -f install |
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| 22:35.07 | pipeline | in that order |
| 22:35.08 | newbie | did that.. as well as an apt-get autoclean |
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| 22:35.29 | Servo888 | What package provides Bitstream Vera Sans? |
| 22:35.38 | caphuego | nSe: Oh, how does level of english skills figure into that diagnosis, doctor? |
| 22:35.43 | mike | where can i find the spca5xx kernel module? |
| 22:36.16 | witless | newbie: you did apt-get update first right? |
| 22:36.23 | newbie | yes |
| 22:36.27 | bbrazil | hdkiller: quite interesting, certainly agrees with behaviour I see on this system(though not that exxagerated) |
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| 22:37.46 | hdkiller | bbrazil, do u got any idea, how to deal whit it? I stuck into php-cgi for security reasons |
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| 22:38.42 | bbrazil | hdkiller: nope, we're suphp here. generally by telling users to clean up their code |
| 22:38.48 | nSe | caphuego: it don't figure: i don't know english, so that doesn't matter. you're gonna help, wait a sec... |
| 22:38.56 | hdkiller | bbrazil, i suphp'ing too |
| 22:39.18 | hdkiller | bbrazil, but suphp is just a dirty warper for php-cgi |
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| 22:40.04 | bbrazil | hdkiller: I gathers its suexec with exec(php) at the end |
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| 22:40.28 | seba | Because a bug... I must to replace grub with lilo... but I have a problem, when execute liloconfig all is OK, but in the end show me the message "ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable", any idea? |
| 22:40.30 | d0s4gw | hey, whats a good app for burning cd's (and dvd's) in debian? preferably one i can get with apt-get |
| 22:40.36 | Phated | caphuego: You must be mind-problemed. |
| 22:40.44 | mike | d0s4gw: k3b |
| 22:40.56 | hdkiller | bbrazil, yeah, almost a copy paste ;-) |
| 22:40.56 | d0s4gw | thanks |
| 22:41.00 | nSe | caphuego: sorry, what were my english mistakes? i'll /msg you |
| 22:41.03 | caphuego | Phated: Yeah, no shit, tell me something I don't know ;-) |
| 22:41.06 | bbrazil | hdkiller: I think theres something for caching php 'object code', probably not usable though |
| 22:41.08 | Phated | caphuego: Hah. |
| 22:41.12 | caphuego | nSe: No, you won't. |
| 22:41.17 | newbie | can anyone else help with the apt-get problem? |
| 22:41.25 | d0s4gw | does k3b burn dvd's? |
| 22:41.38 | caphuego | d0s4gw: I'm told it does. |
| 22:41.52 | caphuego | d0s4gw: When i used to try it hung the system instead, though. |
| 22:41.58 | hdkiller | bbrazil, what do u think what is the bootleneck? suphp or php-cgi itself? |
| 22:42.13 | d0s4gw | that sounds about right |
| 22:42.15 | mike | newbie: have u done a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:42.16 | seba | sorry... Because a bug... I must to replace grub with lilo... but I have a problem, when execute liloconfig all is OK, but in the end show me the message "ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable", any idea? |
| 22:42.51 | bbrazil | hdkiller: i'm guessing php-cgi, but the suexec effect (fork+exec) has to hurt |
| 22:42.52 | caphuego | bbrazil: the cacher is in woody (php4-apc) and there are various 3rd party ones. |
| 22:42.59 | newbie | mike: yes, and it won't get past the error from before |
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| 22:43.53 | bbrazil | hdkiller: I generally find that when we get high load(3+) from apache, its due to scripts running for too long, possibly with the user hitting reload a few times |
| 22:44.12 | caphuego | bbrazil: That's easily fixed with max_execution_time though |
| 22:44.34 | caphuego | !icbm nSe Warez bot |
| 22:44.35 | mike | newbie: what is the error again? |
| 22:44.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: nSe Warez bot [at 93.6S 35.6W] |
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| 22:45.01 | alindeman | Heh ? |
| 22:45.15 | bbrazil | caphuego: I know, but I'm talking 5+ seconds |
| 22:45.25 | newbie | pasted to private mike |
| 22:45.28 | hdkiller | bbrazil, hm.. i have no idea then |
| 22:45.29 | bbrazil | caphuego: with a lot of sql or something else weird |
| 22:45.41 | caphuego | bbrazil: Hmmyeah. There's no real fix for retarded users as of yet ;-) |
| 22:45.43 | hdkiller | bbrazil, i run an open service, i can't tel costumers to optimalize scripts |
| 22:46.02 | bbrazil | hdkiller: student society - I can hint |
| 22:46.07 | caphuego | bbrazil: maybe mod_apache_electroshock |
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| 22:46.36 | mike | newbie: ok, just for testings sake... try touch /usr/games/frozen-bubble.wav |
| 22:46.42 | caphuego | hdkiller: the way I told you bout before, with virtual accounst in mysql and mod_php4 and chrooted ftp works fine and should see speed improve. |
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| 22:46.50 | hdkiller | i have tired btw recompile php-cgi whit -O3 but i get 16hits/sec on my workstation... ;> with the debian package i got about 80.. |
| 22:47.03 | mike | newbie: and then try apt-geting it again |
| 22:47.13 | caphuego | hdkiller: -O3 can make stuff slower as well as faster. |
| 22:47.36 | caphuego | hdkiller: Does your php run with extensions? |
| 22:47.46 | newbie | dont mike |
| 22:47.51 | newbie | err do ne |
| 22:47.51 | hdkiller | not really, just mysql |
| 22:47.59 | distempr | I cehcked the bts for kernel-package but no bugs are listed against my problem, I don't know enough about the package to actually feel confortable about reporting a bug against it b/c it could just be that I'm an utter newb. What do I do? |
| 22:48.10 | caphuego | hdkiller: COmpile that one in, so it doesn't need to be loaded off disk each time. |
| 22:48.16 | abrotman | hdkiller: -cgi is the command line thing iirc |
| 22:48.25 | newbie | did a touch, just came back to a prompt |
| 22:48.35 | hdkiller | caphuego, yeah, that's a good idea |
| 22:48.35 | abrotman | distempr: what is your problem? |
| 22:48.39 | mike | newbie: thats what it should do |
| 22:48.48 | caphuego | hdkiller: it won't make amassive difference, but if you insist on using the cgi version it'll help a little bit. |
| 22:48.48 | mike | newbie: now apt-get it again |
| 22:49.06 | bbrazil | abrotman: -cli is command line one, -cgi is website |
| 22:49.12 | distempr | abrotman: kernel-package complains that it can't determine my architecture. |
| 22:49.16 | hdkiller | caphuego, yeah, maybe.. i should try it |
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| 22:49.36 | newbie | hmm might work |
| 22:49.44 | distempr | abrotman: tells me to assign it and try building the kernel again, I have no idea if this a problem with the kernel-source or make-kpkg packages. |
| 22:50.03 | distempr | abrotman: this is after a fresh install using d-i rc3 |
| 22:50.11 | abrotman | distempr: uhm .. what kind of computer do you have? |
| 22:50.18 | newbie | thanks mike.. |
| 22:50.21 | distempr | abrotman: enh.. amd64 :) |
| 22:50.25 | newbie | I am going to see if it works.. |
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| 22:50.34 | abrotman | distempr: is it the 64bit sarge .. or 32bit? |
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| 22:50.42 | distempr | but.. it's still debian, greycat's gonna tell me to screw off to #debian-amd64 ;) |
| 22:50.49 | distempr | abrotman: 64bit sid |
| 22:51.08 | abrotman | distempr: well .. they may have patched it .. uname -r |
| 22:52.06 | distempr | abrotman: uname -r = 2.6.8-10-amd64-k8 |
| 22:52.38 | abrotman | distempr: why are you trying to build a kernel? |
| 22:52.39 | distempr | abrotman: I'm trying to build a kernel from the kernel-source-2.6.11 package. |
| 22:52.43 | mike | newbie-wan_: np, anytime |
| 22:52.54 | distempr | abrotman: module |
| 22:52.58 | mike | ok, i did not type -wan |
| 22:53.00 | mike | heh. |
| 22:53.13 | abrotman | distempr: huh? |
| 22:53.15 | abrotman | module? |
| 22:53.46 | distempr | abrotman: I have a patch for the sli chipset used by the 2 adaptec controllers, which the default kernel doesn't have. |
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| 22:54.03 | abrotman | distempr: patch to do what? |
| 22:54.11 | travisat | distempr: the patch probably is against a vanilla 2.6.11 |
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| 22:54.25 | abrotman | travisat: as long as it applied cleanly |
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| 22:54.31 | distempr | abrotman: fix detection of the sata chipset used by the adaptec controllers |
| 22:54.41 | abrotman | distempr: you mean the sata_sil bug? |
| 22:54.45 | nemoznej | would be debian sarge working on athlon64 without extra patches? |
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| 22:55.02 | jfsljslj | why wont a '(' be accepted in command line arguments in C? |
| 22:55.16 | travisat | nemoznej: if you use 32bit packages. |
| 22:55.21 | distempr | abrotman: yep |
| 22:55.22 | abrotman | nemoznej: amd64 can run 32bit stuff |
| 22:55.23 | caphuego | jfsljslj: Coz the shell interprets it. use \( |
| 22:55.25 | nemoznej | im planning to plant debian on girlfreinds notebook |
| 22:55.25 | bucky | nemoznej, sarge amd64 is a better choice |
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| 22:55.33 | nemoznej | thx |
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| 22:55.47 | nemoznej | ill try |
| 22:55.48 | abrotman | distempr: why not just add yours the list ? |
| 22:55.56 | distempr | abrotman: I also want to disable numa (or at least play with it) |
| 22:56.03 | caphuego | nemoznej: debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org - check the faq |
| 22:56.05 | abrotman | distempr: well .. anyways .. |
| 22:56.13 | nemoznej | caphuego: thx |
| 22:56.17 | distempr | abrotman: yeh :) |
| 22:56.31 | abrotman | distempr: i would honestly ask #debian-amd64 if it's a known issue .. and if they say no .. file a bug |
| 22:56.31 | distempr | distempr: kernel-package is complaining that it can't detect my arch |
| 22:56.40 | abrotman | distempr: against kernel-package IMO |
| 22:56.41 | distempr | which... is uber weird |
| 22:56.46 | distempr | abrotman: k |
| 22:57.04 | Servo888 | Hey where are the xfree headers? |
| 22:57.11 | abrotman | !-dev |
| 22:57.14 | abrotman | oh well |
| 22:57.15 | distempr | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:57.18 | abrotman | Servo888: -dev packages |
| 22:57.24 | mike | where can i find the Spca5xx webcam driver kernel module? |
| 22:57.28 | distempr | abrotman: i hate filing bugs... it's so... scary |
| 22:57.31 | caphuego | mike: in google |
| 22:57.31 | abrotman | mike: google? |
| 22:57.36 | distempr | :) |
| 22:57.45 | abrotman | caphuego: what happened to cafuego ? |
| 22:57.55 | Servo888 | abrotman, so x-window-system-dev? |
| 22:58.00 | caphuego | abrotman: he had a baby with caphuso |
| 22:58.08 | gravity | kinky |
| 22:58.10 | abrotman | caphuego: erm .. ok |
| 22:58.13 | caphuego | Servo888: xloibs-dev |
| 22:58.13 | abrotman | Servo888: no .. |
| 22:58.17 | abrotman | xlibs-dev |
| 22:58.17 | caphuego | s/o// |
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| 22:59.33 | nSe | caphuego: Forget that, sorry. |
| 22:59.39 | caphuego | nSe: what? |
| 22:59.40 | sparr_ | can someone name a 'popular' game for linux that renders via SDL? |
| 22:59.51 | defsy | Spark: Battle for Wesnoth |
| 22:59.55 | sparr_ | thanks |
| 23:00.02 | caphuego | nSe: If you are referring to messages, i put you on ignore after that initial spam. |
| 23:00.09 | gravity | sparr_: frozen_bubble |
| 23:00.14 | travisat | sparr_: quake2? |
| 23:00.20 | abrotman | sparr_: libsdl.org |
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| 23:00.39 | abeco | Hello does somebody know how to convert from asf to mpg with menconder (by using command-line)? I can see asf but I can't convert it to mpg (or at least i don't know how) |
| 23:00.41 | travisat | sparr_: why? |
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| 23:01.16 | nSe | caphuego: I deserve, sorry again. |
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| 23:02.20 | sgeigerbot | abeco: by "see" I assume you mean to play (as with avifile-player). |
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| 23:02.47 | abeco | I can play asf with xine, etc |
| 23:03.17 | mike | abrotman: but see, i found it at http://mxhaard.free.fr/.. but it won't compile for me |
| 23:03.18 | abeco | I have tried something like: mencoder -of mpeg -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video -oac copy w.avi -o output.mpg |
| 23:03.27 | abeco | but it doesn't work |
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| 23:03.38 | mike | abrotman: im wondering if there is a package containing it or something |
| 23:03.41 | abrotman | mike: ok .. maybe you should start with .. "why not?" |
| 23:03.46 | abrotman | mike: what is the name of the driver? |
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| 23:04.30 | aedwards | Hello folks, does anyone have a preference for openswan or openvpn for vpn? |
| 23:04.54 | mike | abrotman: the chip of my camera is a 0ac8:305b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. |
| 23:04.57 | abrotman | who the hell uses vpn .. just use telnet |
| 23:05.06 | abrotman | mike: and google says nothing? |
| 23:05.15 | mike | abrotman: not how to build it in debian |
| 23:05.27 | aedwards | no, abrotman you should at least use ssh |
| 23:05.43 | mike | abrotman: the same problem is in spanish, but i can't read spanish |
| 23:06.00 | mike | abrotman: Remember: you must have read/write access to your kernel source tree. |
| 23:06.00 | mike | make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=/home/mike/spca5xx-20050328 modules |
| 23:06.00 | mike | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 23:06.17 | abrotman | mike: ttp://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php ? |
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| 23:06.32 | caphuego | mike: You're missing the kernel-headers |
| 23:06.34 | diego-sick | mike, i read spanish |
| 23:06.38 | abrotman | but put the h on the front :) |
| 23:06.41 | abeco | sgeigerbot: have you any idea about converting an asf into mpg? I am really lost |
| 23:06.50 | diego-sick | mike, what do u need |
| 23:07.10 | mike | diego-sick: if this doesn't work, i'll get you to read a page for me ;-) |
| 23:07.18 | abrotman | mike: http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php?page=cams .. is your listed? .. also try #zc030x on this network |
| 23:07.23 | diego-sick | mike, :P ok |
| 23:07.25 | sgeigerbot | abeco: does "-ofps <fps>" help? |
| 23:07.55 | sgeigerbot | abeco: from the man page: -ofps <fps> The output file will have different frame/sec than the source. You MUST set it for variable fps (asf, some mov) and progressive (29.97fps telecined mpeg) files. |
| 23:07.59 | abrotman | mike: and as caphuego said .. you need the headers |
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| 23:08.09 | mike | abrotman: ok, thanks, i'll look |
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| 23:08.28 | we_R_DNA | what can view pdf files off the web? |
| 23:08.49 | zinx | xpdf, gv, gpdf, probably others |
| 23:09.02 | d0s4gw | is there a way to configure an intellimouse to use the back and forward buttons in mozilla? |
| 23:09.07 | abeco | sgeigerbot: File not found: 'frameno.avi' |
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| 23:09.18 | travisat | acroread |
| 23:09.29 | abrotman | people still use acroread? |
| 23:09.29 | travisat | for the sadistic |
| 23:09.38 | gravity | The new one is apparently very nice |
| 23:09.44 | gravity | And makes everything else look like it's from the stone age |
| 23:09.47 | zinx | very nice... FOR ME TO POOP ON |
| 23:09.49 | abrotman | gravity: how could it not be better? :) |
| 23:09.53 | mike | abrotman: this guy has the same webcam, but an earlier model, so i was following his instructions : http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.funix.org/fr/linux/webcam.htm |
| 23:09.54 | gravity | heh |
| 23:10.21 | sgeigerbot | abeco: that sounds like an unrelated error. You didn't specify that filename on the command line. Is this googlible? |
| 23:10.22 | abeco | sgeigerbot: thanks it worked!!! |
| 23:10.33 | abeco | I have tried difered fps |
| 23:10.34 | abrotman | mike: well .. see if your camera is listed at that other site . .install your headers .. try asking in that other channel |
| 23:10.43 | anhi | anyone know of a network-security channel ? (doesn't have to de debian related) |
| 23:10.44 | mike | abrotman: its not listed |
| 23:10.47 | abeco | europe's standard 25 |
| 23:10.52 | sgeigerbot | abeco: ah. Just for my notes: what was the final command you used? |
| 23:10.53 | abrotman | mike: then install the headers . try again |
| 23:11.02 | abeco | one second: |
| 23:11.13 | mike | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 23:11.22 | abeco | mencoder -of mpeg -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video -oac copy -ofps 25 w.avi -o output.mpg |
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| 23:11.32 | abeco | w.avi is the file in asf format |
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| 23:11.47 | abeco | output.mpg is obvious what it is ;) |
| 23:12.04 | sparr_ | I have a program spawning a window for its text output, like a console. But the window has no controls (doesnt even have a titlebar until i maximize it). How can I change the font size in that window? |
| 23:12.13 | sgeigerbot | abeco: why wasn't the asf file named .asf instead of .avi ? |
| 23:12.19 | aedwards | anyone know of a good vpn channel..does not have to be debain based. |
| 23:12.50 | sgeigerbot | aedwards: openvpn is the vpn I would use if I were to set up a Linux vpn. #openvpn |
| 23:12.53 | abrotman | aedwards: there is a #openvpn |
| 23:12.54 | abeco | sgeigerbot: in linux it doesn't matter |
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| 23:13.03 | abeco | but believe me, it was an asf file |
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| 23:13.13 | vasiliyb | gents, i have several solaris machines, debian does port to sparc, am i just totally wrong here? |
| 23:13.15 | aedwards | thanks |
| 23:13.15 | vasiliyb | thx! |
| 23:13.20 | sgeigerbot | abeco: Ok, I understand, but I find it odd that the file had the wrong file extension. |
| 23:13.40 | abrotman | vasiliyb: yes |
| 23:13.49 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 23:13.49 | dpkg | methinks sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
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| 23:14.40 | abeco | sgeigerbot: Somebody give me the video, so I don't know why he was that extension... its really strange |
| 23:14.40 | vasiliyb | !sparc |
| 23:14.41 | dpkg | sparc is, like, the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 23:14.54 | abeco | sgeigerbot: thank you again |
| 23:15.00 | sgeigerbot | abeco: anyway: congrants. np. |
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| 23:15.27 | vasiliyb | abrotman, thanks! now i can just plop debian CDs and install like that, right? |
| 23:15.45 | abrotman | vasiliyb: read the install guide |
| 23:15.50 | vasiliyb | or do i have to |
| 23:15.54 | vasiliyb | nvm, i have to RTFM :) |
| 23:15.55 | vasiliyb | thx |
| 23:15.56 | vasiliyb | :) |
| 23:16.04 | abrotman | !ig |
| 23:16.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 23:16.09 | vasiliyb | i just inherited 3 machines, cant wait |
| 23:16.15 | vasiliyb | !ig |
| 23:16.15 | dpkg | i heard ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 23:16.23 | sparr_ | easier question... how can i change the videomode of my virtual terminals without rebooting? ala DOS's "mode con lines=50 cols=120" |
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| 23:17.47 | we_R_DNA | FUCJ TAKESXESX |
| 23:17.55 | we_R_DNA | yes TAXES SUCKAKSSS |
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| 23:18.48 | sparr_ | we_R_DNA: only if you have to pay them |
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| 23:19.10 | we_R_DNA | if Ui have to fill out shit |
| 23:19.17 | we_R_DNA | = lame |
| 23:19.22 | Maxtorm | boa noite alguém pode me dar uma ajuda na instalão do Debian? |
| 23:19.44 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 23:19.45 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:19.47 | jetscreamer | ~br |
| 23:19.48 | apt | i heard br is Brazil, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 23:20.23 | Maxtorm | dpkg ;) |
| 23:20.23 | dpkg | methinks ) is the smile part of a face. |
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| 23:21.20 | pablo_ | hi! it seems my hd is about to die :( is there any tool includen in debian so i can chek for bad sectors etc etc? |
| 23:21.38 | kimo | anyone using some cisco wlan card, with this 'leaplogin' thing ?? |
| 23:21.50 | pablo_ | my sistems hangs and hangs and it seems to be the disk :( |
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| 23:22.53 | hdkiller | pablo_, check smartmon tools |
| 23:23.02 | bbrazil | pablo_: badblocks |
| 23:23.16 | sparr_ | If I unset my DISPLAY variable then it uses the current terminal window... but rendering out to a gnome terminal (or an xterm) is about 1/100th as fast as the text window that SDL was spawning... How can I get a faster terminal? |
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| 23:23.22 | bbrazil | pablo_: get your data off first |
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| 23:23.41 | hdkiller | sparr_, disable somehow antialiased fonts in gnome, or use aterm, eterm etc.. |
| 23:23.54 | Hamled | sparr_, bleh |
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| 23:24.09 | kimo | anyone using some cisco wlan card, with this 'leaplogin' thing ?? |
| 23:24.13 | hdkiller | btw in xterm i think it's fast.. |
| 23:24.33 | bbrazil | pablo_: check your RAM too (memtest86/knoppix cd) |
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| 23:25.44 | Hamled | in the debian apache2 default installation, the sites-enabled directory has symlinks to config files in the sites-available directory, and the default symlink begins with "000-", is there a specific convention to be followed with this? |
| 23:25.58 | sparr_ | hdkiller: aterm is about 1/10th as fast as the SDL text window |
| 23:26.19 | doleyb | sparr_: i find rxvt to be a fast term |
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| 23:26.39 | Richyy22 | anyone know the apt get for java virtual machine? there seems to be loads when I search |
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| 23:27.00 | d0s4gw | i asked this yesterday too, but how do i exit x to a console |
| 23:27.11 | d0s4gw | something like /etc/X11/... -exit |
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| 23:28.09 | d0s4gw | anyone? |
| 23:28.21 | doleyb | d0s4gw: try forming your question in the form of a question. |
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| 23:28.44 | drac | d0s4gw: /etc/init.d/gdm, or xdm, or kdm stop with ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 23:28.45 | d0s4gw | how do i exit x to a console? |
| 23:28.46 | Crasp | d0s4gw: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 23:28.54 | d0s4gw | thank you |
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| 23:30.24 | Temp[Away] | no matter what i do, i cant get startx to run on my woody installation. anyone got any ideas? |
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| 23:30.47 | pablo__ | how do i use badblocks to make it check and corrwect badblocks/sectors? |
| 23:30.52 | Richyy22 | anyone know the apt get for java virtual machine? there seems to be loads when I search |
| 23:30.53 | mentor | Tempus2: How does startx fail? |
| 23:31.06 | Tempus2 | it says X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting. |
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| 23:31.17 | Tempus2 | then it says |
| 23:31.18 | mentor | Tempus2: Have you installed an xserver? |
| 23:31.24 | Tempus2 | i believe so |
| 23:31.36 | mentor | Tempus2: dpkg -l xserver-\* |
| 23:31.37 | Tempus2 | i told it to do kdm on installation |
| 23:31.39 | Richyy22 | anyone know the apt-get install for java virtual machine? there seems to be loads when I search |
| 23:31.48 | mentor | Tempus2: kdm isn't an xserver. |
| 23:31.52 | Tempus2 | oh ok |
| 23:31.57 | Hamled | Anyone here use apache2 via the deb package? Is there a specific naming convention for the symlinks in sites-enabled? (IE the default is 000-default) |
| 23:32.01 | Tempus2 | so you want me to run that command? |
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| 23:32.46 | mentor | Tempus2: Yes. See if you can understand what it is doing yourself... |
| 23:33.07 | Tempus2 | well it brought up a ton of stuff, none of which i know what it is |
| 23:33.08 | helix | Hamled: afaik, it's not necessary to name them like that, but I do anyway |
| 23:33.18 | helix | Hamled: ie, 001-foo, 002-bar |
| 23:33.22 | Hamled | gotcha |
| 23:33.22 | Hamled | thanks |
| 23:33.25 | helix | :) |
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| 23:33.36 | Hamled | wasn't sure if it would break or something :P |
| 23:33.38 | Shay | Gathond, pipeline, jim; Thanks for your help, what I wanted to do just worked. |
| 23:33.50 | helix | Hamled: yeah -- I reckon it's a good way to do things though |
| 23:33.55 | Hamled | aye |
| 23:34.16 | caphuego | Hamled: No, you run 'a2ensite' to create those symlinks anwyay. |
| 23:34.25 | mentor | Tempus2: Read the header at the top, specifically the status one. |
| 23:34.31 | Hamled | a2ensite? |
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| 23:34.36 | helix | caphuego: ooh, I didn't know about that |
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| 23:34.47 | caphuego | Hamled: I think the 000-default is just to ensure some base config stuff is always loaded. |
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| 23:34.50 | helix | Hamled: it should come with apache2 |
| 23:34.59 | helix | like a2enmod and stuff |
| 23:35.01 | caphuego | helix: a2ensite, a2dissite, a2enmod, a2dismod |
| 23:35.04 | Tempus2 | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 23:35.05 | Hamled | helix, caphuego I'll check it out |
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| 23:35.17 | mentor | Tempus2: /Read/ |
| 23:35.22 | helix | caphuego: what's the dissite and dismod stuff do? |
| 23:35.26 | helix | disable? |
| 23:35.30 | Richyy22 | anyone know the apt-get install for java virtual machine? there seems to be loads when I search |
| 23:35.31 | Tempus2 | mentor: what? |
| 23:35.34 | Hamled | yeah, makes sense helix |
| 23:35.36 | d0s4gw | alright, i got my video drivers working! now where can i get quake? |
| 23:35.45 | Rawplayer | how can i verify if a email adress exists when a telnet to the mail server accepts everything in fron of the @ |
| 23:36.15 | caphuego | Hamled: yep |
| 23:36.18 | caphuego | helix: yep |
| 23:36.20 | caphuego | !%&^5 |
| 23:36.24 | helix | neat |
| 23:36.25 | Hamled | :P |
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| 23:36.32 | helix | apache2 is pretty cool |
| 23:37.02 | stew | i'm gonna have to give it a shot someday soon |
| 23:37.10 | mentor | Tempus2: I said, 'read [it]' |
| 23:37.13 | stew | just haven't had any motivation to move |
| 23:37.30 | Tempus2 | mentor: I did read it |
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| 23:38.45 | rift- | Does anyone know of an application that will show me real time throughput of a drive in linux while I am running I/O |
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| 23:40.23 | mentor | Tempus2: OK...so you're looking for an installed xserver...is there one? |
| 23:40.26 | doleyb | rift-: try gkrellm ? |
| 23:40.39 | bernouli | if i have this bit value 10110101 and lets say both sender and receiver agree to use even parity, then the sender can set the parity bit to either 1 or 0. The question is where to place this bit, in front or behind? |
| 23:41.10 | Tempus2 | mentor: those the ones with iU next to them? |
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| 23:41.16 | rift- | didnt think of that doley |
| 23:41.24 | rift- | i have used gkrellm before |
| 23:41.25 | mentor | Tempus2: No. |
| 23:41.29 | rift- | anything else you can think of |
| 23:41.34 | mentor | Tempus2: Which column is the status line in? |
| 23:41.40 | we_R_DNA | 13 bucks on taxes |
| 23:41.47 | we_R_DNA | sux a but |
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| 23:42.00 | Richyy22 | anyone know the apt-get install for java virtual machine? there seems to be loads when I search |
| 23:42.04 | DiegoElias | guys...where debian setup mysql lib? |
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| 23:42.39 | DiegoElias | and...whats is the name of this package? i'm looking for using apt-cache.. |
| 23:42.40 | doleyb | Richyy22: read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallJava |
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| 23:42.53 | Tempus2 | mentor: what do you mean? |
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| 23:43.18 | Hamled | what would people here recommend for text-based mail readers? mutt? is elmo any good? |
| 23:43.30 | rift- | pine |
| 23:43.36 | hdkiller | telnet |
| 23:43.36 | buo | mutt rulez |
| 23:43.38 | doleyb | Hamled: everyone loves mutt, debian hates pine |
| 23:43.45 | Hamled | aye |
| 23:43.46 | buo | mutt-ng is cool too |
| 23:43.48 | rift- | why cause it is part of pico |
| 23:43.49 | rift- | ;p |
| 23:43.52 | mentor | Tempus2: OK, the second column is the status letter. Do you see how the line before the status header goes to the second column... |
| 23:43.53 | rift- | or vice versa |
| 23:43.58 | rift- | you guys are anti pico |
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| 23:44.09 | Hamled | I don't myself mind pine (although I think there are some license conflicts, no?) |
| 23:44.11 | mentor | Tempus2: Anyway, you're looking for a line that has an 'ii' entry. |
| 23:44.14 | Tempus2 | actually i think it's the first column |
| 23:44.20 | Tempus2 | yea none of them have ii |
| 23:44.21 | doleyb | well, pine is removed from debian, so you don't have much choice |
| 23:44.26 | Tempus2 | best thing i have is an iU |
| 23:44.27 | Hamled | aye |
| 23:44.30 | Tempus2 | and the rest are pn |
| 23:44.35 | cheale1 | !pico |
| 23:44.35 | dpkg | somebody said pico was a newbie-friendly editor shipped with pine. As the license is non-free, it is not shipped in Debian. Consider using nano as a free, superior replacement (ask me about 'nano'). pico (p) is also the SI prefix for 10^-12 |
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| 23:45.41 | Becca | Hi, I'm having problems with my new debian install. My system is going to sleep and no waking up. All devices are taking the nap, including HDD, ethernet, USB, etc. The machine is on, (fans are running etc) but no body is home -- I have been scouring my BIOS for settings, and have disabled absolutely everything possible in the Power management section |
| 23:45.48 | DiegoElias | guys...where debian setup mysql lib? |
| 23:45.58 | mentor | Tempus2: OK...well, that U mean Unpacked...so something got lost in the middle of an install. |
| 23:46.07 | Becca | i'm looking via google, but I'm coming up with a lot of nothing. |
| 23:46.14 | mentor | Tempus2: try running dpkg --configure -a or apt-get -f install |
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| 23:46.28 | Tempus2 | alright, thanks |
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| 23:48.46 | foreyez | hey does anyone know how i can read in a number with commas into C.... like "1,000" ? |
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| 23:48.50 | Becca | Can someone tell me what kacpid is? |
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| 23:49.24 | mentor | foreyez: sscanf? |
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| 23:50.02 | DiegoElias | guys...i really dont know if i have mysql libs...i try to install mysql-devel, but it say that dont exists... |
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| 23:51.18 | mentor | !tell DiegoElias about search |
| 23:51.19 | Savir | olá |
| 23:52.01 | foreyez | mentor, scanf("%d",num) segfaults... |
| 23:52.34 | mentor | forcemstr: What type is num? |
| 23:52.56 | bbrazil | Becca: sounds like a kde acpi(power managment etc.) daemon |
| 23:53.43 | mentor | feck |
| 23:53.47 | Becca | Could it be _kernel_ acpi daemon too? I'm afraid to kill it since it has a pid kill number of 5. |
| 23:53.50 | mentor | foreyez: what type is num? |
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| 23:54.06 | foreyez | mentor, integer... |
| 23:54.13 | Becca | Which seems way too low in the list of things that are safe to kill |
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| 23:54.18 | foreyez | mentor, is there a way to do it with integer as opposed to reading in strings and taking commas out? |
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| 23:54.52 | bbrazil | Becca: oh, one of those - you can't kill it. does lsmod contain 'acpi' or 'apm'? |
| 23:55.18 | mentor | foreyez: as in 'int'? What type of parameter does %d take? |
| 23:55.30 | gennick | can someone point me to a howto for setting up my firewall / router to use dialup id broadband goes down please? |
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| 23:56.01 | Becca | bbrazil, no, not that I can see |
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| 23:56.47 | bbrazil | foreyez: int n=0;while(*s){if(*s==',')continue;n = n*10 + (*s - '0');s++} - not perfect |
| 23:56.56 | bbrazil | Becca: boot with 'noacpi' |
| 23:57.19 | Becca | bbrazil, how do I set that flag? |
| 23:57.35 | bbrazil | Becca: you using lilo? |
| 23:57.46 | foreyez | mentor, an int |
| 23:57.48 | Becca | No, I think its set for grub at the moment |
| 23:58.07 | bbrazil | Becca: I don't know how to pass kernel arguments to grub |
| 23:58.08 | Becca | Or some alien mix between the two of them *L* I don't know what its thinking. It has both. |
| 23:58.28 | mentor | foreyez: No. |
| 23:58.30 | Becca | Let me see if I can get lilo to take over grub... this could be fun |
| 23:58.40 | bbrazil | Becca: lilo way is <imagename> noacpi , where imagename usually == 'linux' |
| 23:59.20 | bbrazil | Becca: if you mess up lilo/grub you won't be able to boot |
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| 23:59.38 | Becca | Thats why I have a beautiful rescue cd of prettiness. |
| 23:59.46 | gennick | or at least point me to an appropriate channel? |
| 23:59.49 | Becca | Getting back into linux is probably my last concern right now :) |
