| 00:00.22 | bbrazil | gennick: lookinto 'heartbeat' |
| 00:01.15 | gennick | about.com says its for clustering and HA? |
| 00:01.36 | gennick | i just want network link failover? |
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| 00:02.37 | gennick | i can set a dialup up |
| 00:02.44 | gennick | but not sure now to do the failover |
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| 00:02.50 | mentor | gennick: What kind of broadband do you have? |
| 00:02.54 | bbrazil | gennick: I've never used it, but I think it does what you want (pings every few seconds and run a script if it fails) |
| 00:02.59 | gennick | dsl ppoe |
| 00:03.01 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart Becca |
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| 00:03.14 | gennick | bbrazil i could do that |
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| 00:03.22 | gennick | but im thinking htere is a better way? |
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| 00:03.46 | Becca | FieldySnuts, I've been reading the FM all day. The manuals don't seem to have enough bloody information on how to solve a difficult to trace problem |
| 00:03.46 | bbrazil | gennick: any solution boils down to that |
| 00:03.53 | Becca | Sorry, I don't have a computer science degree. |
| 00:04.02 | mentor | FieldySnuts: Well done. Another useful contribution... |
| 00:04.09 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 00:04.15 | Becca | And this is the exact reason even nice distros like linux won't be able to compete with windows -- because you _need- a freaking comp sci degree if something goes wrong. |
| 00:04.20 | gennick | k thanx bbrazil |
| 00:04.29 | sparr_ | how can i change the video mode of my console (not in X) without rebooting (and passing vga= to the kernel) |
| 00:04.31 | Becca | So take your very helpful comments and jump off a specatcularly high bridge with them |
| 00:04.31 | FieldySnuts | 1) the lart just happened to pick a RTM factoid, that wasn't my intent 2) relax |
| 00:04.36 | Phated | You fricking well do not. |
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| 00:05.20 | mentor | FieldySnuts: I was only commention on the fact that your only comment in a good two hours was to lart someone. |
| 00:05.21 | sadneophite | hi |
| 00:05.31 | FieldySnuts | well, i did just get here. give me a chance :) |
| 00:05.36 | bbrazil | Becca: you might want to run badblocks on your swap too |
| 00:05.43 | FieldySnuts | and my numbered list was actualy directed at Becca , not mentor |
| 00:06.01 | sparr_ | Becca: linux has mor difficult to trace problems than windows... but it has *ZERO* impossible-to-trace problems, which is infinitely better than windows |
| 00:06.40 | Becca | sparr_: That is only useful if you actually manage to find the issue |
| 00:06.49 | Becca | I've been bouncing around the web all day and its not going well finding it :) |
| 00:06.50 | sadneophite | I am using alsa 1.08 and I need to pass configuration options to my soundcard, there doesn't seem to be a conf.modules, or a modules.conf on my machine, does anyone know where I put the alias's then? |
| 00:06.57 | mentor | sparr_: What kind of console? |
| 00:07.06 | bbrazil | sparr_: I disagree with that statement. harware can be very funny |
| 00:07.12 | bbrazil | +d |
| 00:07.19 | FieldySnuts | yeah especially when you throw water on it |
| 00:07.22 | sparr_ | mentor: the 'normal' virtual terminals |
| 00:07.40 | Overand | sorry for all the dropping/reconnecting |
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| 00:07.55 | mentor | sparr_: Framebuffer or text mode? |
| 00:08.00 | shingouz | Becca: this is a stab in the dark but you are not by any chance running Sid there? |
| 00:08.07 | sparr_ | mentor: very good question... either. |
| 00:08.13 | mentor | Overand: It's lost in the channel traffic. |
| 00:08.35 | mentor | sparr_: SVGATextMode for text mode... |
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| 00:08.43 | Becca | shiner840, No, I am running Sarge |
| 00:09.00 | shiner840 | Huh |
| 00:09.08 | shiner840 | Oh... tab :) |
| 00:09.09 | shiner840 | lol |
| 00:09.21 | shingouz | Becca: do an 'xscreensaver --help' and check the version please |
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| 00:09.27 | shingouz | shiner840: sorry ;) |
| 00:09.28 | dvs | yippie! |
| 00:09.59 | shiner840 | np |
| 00:10.07 | DiegoElias | mentor: i did installed right now mysql-server-4.1...i'm trying to use qmailrocks....but when i compile vpopmail , it say that not found mysql, but mysql is ok..do you think that i need any other library? |
| 00:10.47 | Becca | 4.21 |
| 00:10.59 | mentor | DiegoElias: Have you installed all the build dependencies of vpopmail? Why are you compiling BTW? |
| 00:11.09 | caphuego | DiegoElias: libmysqlclient-dev |
| 00:11.50 | caphuego | Mind you, vpopmail is precompiled *with* mysql support. |
| 00:11.50 | mentor | caphuego: Bah! cheat. |
| 00:11.56 | caphuego | !info vpopmail-mysql |
| 00:11.59 | shingouz | Becca: i am having the same problems here since my last update earlier this week, try shutting off the xscreensaver for a while. at least my system seems to have a helen keller mode when the screensaver reallly kicks in |
| 00:12.04 | DiegoElias | !info vpopmail-mysql |
| 00:12.07 | Hamled | what are the different priority levels for debconf/dpkg? (debconf(7) doesn't seem to exist on this machine...) |
| 00:12.12 | caphuego | !info libvpopmail-mysql |
| 00:12.14 | dpkg | libvpopmail-mysql: (vpopmail mysql plugin), section contrib/mail, is optional. Version: 5.4.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 00:12.20 | resiak | Let's all say !info vpopmail-mysql! |
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| 00:12.26 | FieldySnuts | heh? |
| 00:12.27 | DiegoElias | :D |
| 00:12.27 | Becca | shiner840, So everything just doesn't operate for you? |
| 00:12.31 | shingouz | Becca: 4.21 here too on a 2.6.10 custom SMP kernel |
| 00:12.32 | caphuego | DiegoElias: So really, you shouldn't be compiling anything. |
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| 00:12.35 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 00:12.36 | dpkg | awwww, reading is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
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| 00:12.43 | sparr_ | mentor: how about if i dont know what my video card is? something simple, like "mode con linex=50" :) |
| 00:12.50 | resiak | !forget cmd: be a (.*?) barbie |
| 00:12.50 | dpkg | resiak: i forgot CMD: be a (.*?) barbie |
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| 00:13.03 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Fixed. |
| 00:13.08 | mentor | sparr_: If you don't know what your video card is...you should find out! |
| 00:13.12 | mentor | sparr_: What kind of computer is it? |
| 00:13.18 | Becca | shin, I'm so willing to shoot in the dark that I'll target that program, thanks. |
| 00:13.31 | resiak | be scarynetworkguy barbie |
| 00:13.34 | resiak | !be scarynetworkguy barbie |
| 00:13.34 | dpkg | Trusting is HARD. |
| 00:13.41 | sparr_ | mentor: ok, let me put it this way... id ont WANT to know |
| 00:13.47 | shingouz | Becca: if you type shing<tab> you should get the tab compeltion working too ;) |
| 00:13.50 | scarynetworkguy | Yes it is. |
| 00:14.12 | Becca | Yea, I didn't feel like tab that time, go figure... :) |
| 00:14.14 | sparr_ | mentor: im looking at the config file for svgatextmode... about 400 lines long. thats just a TAD more work than im willing to put into this. |
| 00:14.14 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: And I trust you. |
| 00:14.16 | scarynetworkguy | Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 00:14.19 | resiak | XD |
| 00:14.47 | mentor | sparr_: Actually, all you usually have to do is uncomment the chipset and modeline... |
| 00:14.55 | sparr_ | i dont know what kind of magic DOS does, but theres gotta be some linux software that can replicate it |
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| 00:15.24 | abrotman | restart getty? |
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| 00:15.39 | sparr_ | the latest and greatest windows features... yeah, i get why some of them dont exist in linux |
| 00:15.48 | sparr_ | but im talking about something I could do in DOS 15 years ago |
| 00:16.09 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: be an IPv6 barbie |
| 00:16.10 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: no idea |
| 00:16.22 | FieldySnuts | hrm |
| 00:16.32 | caphuego | Yes, detecting that factoid was a real good idea |
| 00:16.32 | bucky | sparr_, check out mtools |
| 00:16.33 | dvs | ravenbird: be a IPv6 barbie |
| 00:16.33 | ravenbird | no idea, dvs |
| 00:16.34 | caphuego | !lart resiak |
| 00:16.35 | mentor | sparr_: fbset for framebuffer. |
| 00:16.36 | a_monkey | can somebody please tell me how to set digest mode for a debian mailing list? |
| 00:16.37 | shingouz | Becca: my system here wakes up nicely after a couple of hours but if i have the screensaver on for about four-five hours it is totally helen keller. well... the next update should be coming up very soon in anycase (and i doubt that my system is anything common these days with EISA and all...) |
| 00:16.40 | a_monkey | i can't figure it out |
| 00:16.42 | resiak | caphuego: What did I do?!?!?!oneone |
| 00:16.51 | _rene_ | a_monkey: there isn't any afaik |
| 00:17.01 | a_monkey | _rene_: there is |
| 00:17.03 | caphuego | resiak: [10:12] <dpkg> resiak: i forgot CMD: be a (.*?) barbie |
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| 00:17.08 | a_monkey | _rene_: i've done it before |
| 00:17.11 | _rene_ | a_monkey: hmm |
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| 00:17.23 | resiak | caphuego: That was breaking all the other be a foo barbie factoisd. |
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| 00:17.26 | bbrazil | a_monkey: goto lists.debian.org - its standard mailman |
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| 00:17.40 | _rene_ | nope. lists.debian.org is *not* mailman |
| 00:17.42 | caphuego | resiak: It was the only one that was actually USED |
| 00:17.43 | mentor | sparr_: Maybe nobody cared enough. |
| 00:17.45 | sparr_ | bucky: huh?? |
| 00:17.51 | resiak | caphuego: But, but, but, foo. |
| 00:17.57 | bucky | sparr_, apt-cache show mtools |
| 00:17.58 | caphuego | resiak: Put it back! |
| 00:18.01 | resiak | caphuego: NO! |
| 00:18.03 | sparr_ | mentor: im not using framebuffer it seems |
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| 00:18.07 | resiak | caphuego: The others are funnier |
| 00:18.08 | _rene_ | debians lists are smartlist, not mailman |
| 00:18.12 | sparr_ | bucky: yes, im not stupid. what does that have to do with anything? |
| 00:18.17 | resiak | caphuego: We can add missing ones as they pop up |
| 00:18.17 | _rene_ | or something has changed drastically... |
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| 00:18.25 | abrotman | caphuego: what's the sledgehammer for? |
| 00:18.26 | Nosf3ratu | Is there a program like top to see what process is writing to the harddrives a lot? |
| 00:18.29 | sparr_ | mentor: so im stuck with svgatextmode if I can figure it out |
| 00:18.30 | shingouz | sledgehammer and a ferret? sounds scary |
| 00:18.33 | _rene_ | but I don't see that and no password shit, so I guess no |
| 00:18.34 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: yes |
| 00:18.37 | bucky | sparr_, what are you trying to do with dos files ? |
| 00:18.38 | Nosf3ratu | I have something thrashing a drive, but it doesn't show up in top... |
| 00:18.40 | barretj | anyone know why the debian version of kernel 2.6.11 has the tg3 module removed? |
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| 00:18.44 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: wait .. no |
| 00:18.44 | sparr_ | bucky: nothing, why? |
| 00:18.53 | a_monkey | bbrazil: "its standard mailman"? |
| 00:18.56 | _rene_ | barretj: simple. unedfined firmware blobs |
| 00:18.56 | a_monkey | bbrazil: what? |
| 00:18.56 | FieldySnuts | barretj: probably because it's proprietary. i think. broadcom lameness. |
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| 00:19.02 | _rene_ | a_monkey: ignore it. |
| 00:19.05 | FieldySnuts | yeah that was it, firmware |
| 00:19.08 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, what were you thinking firstly? |
| 00:19.09 | bbrazil | a_monkey: sorry, been over a year since I used the interface |
| 00:19.09 | FieldySnuts | use a real card |
| 00:19.15 | caphuego | haha |
| 00:19.18 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: iostat |
| 00:19.20 | resiak | caphuego: NO! |
| 00:19.20 | a_monkey | you have to send an email somewhere |
| 00:19.23 | linuxn00b | Hi. Does anyone know a working on the fly compression file system for Sid? |
| 00:19.26 | FieldySnuts | yes, that WAS it |
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| 00:19.30 | FieldySnuts | it mentioned shopping at the end |
| 00:19.31 | barretj | so, should i just use the vanilla kernel, or is there some other way i can get this module? |
| 00:19.32 | Ferret | o.o |
| 00:19.42 | abrotman | barretj: did they upload the non-free kernel modules yet? |
| 00:19.44 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, and why is that a 'no'? |
| 00:19.47 | resiak | caphuego: We're just going to bounce on deleting and re-adding taht factoid all night, aren't we? |
| 00:19.47 | caphuego | ravenbird: cmd: be a (.*?) barbie is ($thing): <reply> Aww, $thing is hard! Let's go shopping, $nick |
| 00:19.48 | ravenbird | ...but cmd: is already something else... |
| 00:19.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:19.57 | qwe | howdy-- has anyone here installed debian on a beige g3? |
| 00:20.04 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 00:20.04 | dpkg | [ppc] short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 00:20.04 | jetscreamer | hell no |
| 00:20.07 | caphuego | resiak: I have a bit to do it, want to concede now? |
| 00:20.08 | jetscreamer | LIES |
| 00:20.09 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart caphuego |
| 00:20.10 | _rene_ | barretj: I guess so... |
| 00:20.16 | sadneophite | hi I had a problem with alsa 1.08: I don't know where to put my alias data which used to go into conf.modules |
| 00:20.23 | a_monkey | you have to send an email containing "LIST-DAEMON COMMAND {{ DIGEST MODE FLAG TRUE TOGGLE }} STOP END" |
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| 00:20.26 | _rene_ | barretj: I need a vanilla kernel, too, for my usb->serial adapter... |
| 00:20.28 | sparr_ | anyone got any tips for figuring out my "chipset" when it comes to svgatextmode? |
| 00:20.29 | linuxn00b | something like doublespace for linux ext3? |
| 00:20.31 | a_monkey | i don't know where to though |
| 00:20.36 | FieldySnuts | linuxn00b: no. |
| 00:20.40 | jetscreamer | doublespace? |
| 00:20.41 | FieldySnuts | jesus that was hard to complete |
| 00:20.43 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 00:20.43 | dvs | sadneophite: Are you using kernel 2.6? |
| 00:20.51 | caphuego | @cmd |
| 00:20.52 | ravenbird | rumour has it, cmd is the ultimate Microsoft IIS remote administration tool. |
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| 00:20.58 | FieldySnuts | hah |
| 00:20.59 | jetscreamer | yes it's called cramfs |
| 00:21.03 | FieldySnuts | cmd.exe?c+ver |
| 00:21.04 | Ferret | Or cloop? |
| 00:21.07 | caphuego | @cmd: |
| 00:21.13 | jetscreamer | errr yeah cloop |
| 00:21.17 | sadneophite | dvs: yes 'backported' through ubuntu 5.04, but the system is clearly debian :) |
| 00:21.17 | linuxn00b | I mean i have 30 gig dedicated to Sid (using Ubuntu Hoary), but I am running out of space just installing applications.. |
| 00:21.18 | linuxn00b | :) |
| 00:21.33 | jetscreamer | @lart linuxn00b |
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| 00:21.44 | dvs | sadneophite: Then there should be a /etc/modprobe.d directory, create a new file in there. |
| 00:21.45 | linuxn00b | ubuntu = debian sid + updated ports + integrated Gnome |
| 00:21.48 | gennick | dpkg is there a non apple taxed powerpc architecture ssytem available? |
| 00:21.48 | Ferret | Sid (using Ubuntu Hoary) <- something wrong with these words, can't figure it out |
| 00:21.50 | FieldySnuts | uh no. |
| 00:21.50 | shingouz | dedicated to Sid using ubuntu? EEEEK |
| 00:21.52 | FieldySnuts | *sigh* |
| 00:21.57 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 00:21.57 | jetscreamer | LIES |
| 00:21.57 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 00:22.03 | Phated | Ewwie. |
| 00:22.06 | Iron | lol |
| 00:22.07 | sadneophite | dvs: I can just create a file there and it will word? |
| 00:22.12 | sadneophite | dvs: I can just create a file there and it will work |
| 00:22.17 | dvs | sadneophite: yup |
| 00:22.19 | barretj | "apt-cache search kernel-nonfree" turns up nothing |
| 00:22.20 | resiak | caphuego: I give up. You win for now :) |
| 00:22.21 | jetscreamer | i have an ubuntu keyring, i got it at mcdonalds |
| 00:22.22 | linuxn00b | I have tried Debian since .9...and i can hardly notice any difference between Ubuntu and debian.. |
| 00:22.28 | caphuego | ravenbird doens't understand cmd: ... factoids |
| 00:22.28 | ravenbird | wish i knew, caphuego |
| 00:22.36 | caphuego | ravenbird: shut the word hole |
| 00:22.36 | ravenbird | no idea, caphuego |
| 00:22.36 | jetscreamer | an ubuntu secret decoder keyring |
| 00:22.41 | linuxn00b | ah... seriously, Debian should have faster release time and better installer.. |
| 00:22.47 | linuxn00b | i love debian though.. |
| 00:22.48 | resiak | caphuego: Try be a $1 barbie is <reply> $1 is haaard! Let's molest sheep |
| 00:22.50 | FieldySnuts | @troll linuxn00b |
| 00:22.51 | linuxn00b | apt-get is nice.. |
| 00:22.56 | caphuego | linuxn00b: So help creating one and fixing release bugs. |
| 00:22.59 | abrotman | linuxn00b: which installer do you like? |
| 00:23.06 | linuxn00b | caphuego, I am no newbie.. :( |
| 00:23.11 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 00:23.13 | linuxn00b | I just made complete switch to linux 3 weeks ago.. |
| 00:23.14 | resiak | linuxn00b: So why the name? |
| 00:23.17 | Ferret | linuxn00b: I think you've done what is known as 'missing the point'. |
| 00:23.17 | gennick | linoleum well the problem with ubuntu is that they rely on debian as a base, but dont stay close enough to contribute back |
| 00:23.20 | abrotman | linuxn00b: which installer do you like? |
| 00:23.20 | sparr_ | whats the big deal about debian "release" time? |
| 00:23.22 | resiak | linuxn00b: So you _are_ a newbie. |
| 00:23.26 | gennick | therefore alienating what makes them possible |
| 00:23.27 | sparr_ | you want a debian release, do a net install |
| 00:23.30 | sparr_ | new release every 30 minutes |
| 00:23.36 | gennick | cutting off the nose despite the face so to speak |
| 00:23.36 | linuxn00b | abrotman, honestly, I like mandrive's installer..xbased |
| 00:23.40 | abrotman | oh god |
| 00:23.46 | abrotman | that installed used to be horrible |
| 00:23.47 | sadneophite | dvs: yup there is an alsa-base file there... |
| 00:23.56 | FieldySnuts | that's great. go use mandrive (what's that?) then |
| 00:23.58 | caphuego | linuxn00b: I can't use that on a non-X machine. So it's crap. |
| 00:24.00 | linuxn00b | seriously, I've been trying out linux every three months for the past 9 years.. |
| 00:24.03 | sadneophite | dvs: I mean: you are clearly correct |
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| 00:24.15 | gennick | "leaching" if u will from debian and fragmenting what should strenghten debian |
| 00:24.15 | dvs | !beer dvs |
| 00:24.18 | FieldySnuts | honestly we don't want to hear your whining, if you want to make changes submit them, else go away |
| 00:24.20 | linuxn00b | caphuego, hmm.. computers are so cheap nowadays.. you can build an AMD based one for like $200... |
| 00:24.30 | abrotman | linuxn00b: they don't all run X |
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| 00:24.44 | linuxn00b | abrotman, framebuffer based xserver? |
| 00:24.48 | caphuego | linuxn00b: Maybe where you live, not here. |
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| 00:24.58 | FieldySnuts | geez. what a retarded argument. |
| 00:24.58 | abrotman | linuxn00b: my Cirrus Logic card doesn't work with framebuffer |
| 00:24.59 | caphuego | linuxn00b: How about "no screen or video card" ? |
| 00:25.04 | pipeline | linuxn00b: Not everyone uses a goddamn framebuffer. |
| 00:25.06 | Tempus2 | mentor: now i got "no screens found", which is much better, but how do you fix that? |
| 00:25.11 | FieldySnuts | i *hate* framebuffer |
| 00:25.12 | ShadowMaster1 | what is the latest kernel in the stable release set? |
| 00:25.18 | mentor | Tempus2: You have to configure X. |
| 00:25.24 | Ferret | linuxn00b: You mean I have to go buy a monitor? That sucks. |
| 00:25.24 | dvs | ShadowMaster1: 2.4.18 |
| 00:25.25 | mentor | !tell Tempus2 about set up x |
| 00:25.25 | FieldySnuts | prefer console (non fb) myself |
| 00:25.26 | abrotman | Shadowcat: 2.4.18 |
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| 00:25.38 | abrotman | Shadowcat: misfire .. sorry |
| 00:25.48 | gennick | FieldySnuts actually the only thing i like FB for is console mode |
| 00:25.48 | linuxn00b | caphuego, well, the computer I am running (AMD XP 2500+, ATI 9100 128MB, 200 Gig WD, 512 Mushkin, 8X NEC dvd rom, SB Live) => cost me about $400 about a year ago. |
| 00:25.50 | ShadowMaster1 | any idea how long before a 2.6 becomes stable? |
| 00:25.50 | gennick | ironically |
| 00:26.04 | abrotman | ShadowMaster1: a 2.6 kernel will never be in woody |
| 00:26.09 | dvs | !kernel of instability |
| 00:26.10 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 00:26.11 | gennick | its kind of neat |
| 00:26.15 | linuxn00b | Samsung 17inch LCD, I paid $150 after rebate..it's 172N.. |
| 00:26.19 | caphuego | linuxn00b: That's if ENTIRELY irrelevant to me, as I am 1) not you and 2) not near you. |
| 00:26.24 | FieldySnuts | linuxn00b: stop. we don't care. |
| 00:26.49 | abrotman | well .. we care .. just not about that |
| 00:26.59 | gennick | shit if i can get that ahrdware for 200 |
| 00:27.02 | gennick | i wanna know where |
| 00:27.09 | linuxn00b | caphuego, of course you are near me.. :) it's a small world.. less than 1 light minute away. |
| 00:27.12 | abrotman | gennick: you can't |
| 00:27.13 | caphuego | linuxn00b: An X based installer isn't a good idea JUSt because you happen top have hardware that can use it. |
| 00:27.31 | FieldySnuts | i'll be nice, since he's obviously a newb |
| 00:27.33 | FieldySnuts | anyway... |
| 00:27.36 | abrotman | gennick: he didn't include a case or motherboard |
| 00:27.46 | linuxn00b | yes... though I don't hate Redhat style text based... |
| 00:27.49 | pipeline | linuxn00b: Debian-installer is fully modular. It would be pretty easy to write a GTK frontend for it (As there is already a GTK frontend for debconf) |
| 00:27.50 | FieldySnuts | heh yeah he taped the motherboard to the monitor |
| 00:27.51 | shingouz | linuxn00b: i would not even want to *think* about installing with an X installer on an old P1 |
| 00:27.58 | linuxn00b | but it's kinda pain to load all the modules individually with Woody. |
| 00:27.59 | pipeline | linuxn00b: The truth is that nobody's bothered to try to write one |
| 00:28.04 | abrotman | pipeline: not true |
| 00:28.11 | pipeline | abrotman: Not true? |
| 00:28.15 | caphuego | linuxn00b: Serves you right for using woody then. |
| 00:28.16 | gennick | abrotman lol |
| 00:28.22 | abrotman | pipeline: pgi |
| 00:28.30 | abrotman | !pgi |
| 00:28.30 | dpkg | pgi is probably 'piggy', the Progeny Graphical Installer. http://hackers.progeny.com/pgi/. Portland Group, who make compilers for things |
| 00:28.37 | FieldySnuts | ew progeny |
| 00:28.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:28.42 | linuxn00b | well, honestly, I have never tried netinstallation bec. when I didn't have broadband then.. |
| 00:28.51 | travisat | you don't need x to install anything. it just adds bloat |
| 00:29.00 | resiak | linuxn00b: So download CD1 and install offline, |
| 00:29.03 | abrotman | pipeline: you don't remember PGI ? |
| 00:29.06 | resiak | abrotman: At what exactly? |
| 00:29.08 | linuxn00b | but I think debian-rip-off distros for newbies are actually good for Debian...Linux in the long run. |
| 00:29.10 | gennick | travisat it makes it easier for newbies tho |
| 00:29.16 | pipeline | abrotman: PGI is compatible with d-i? |
| 00:29.16 | abrotman | resiak: the attempt at a gui debian installer |
| 00:29.22 | FieldySnuts | they are NOT debian. ok? most important point. |
| 00:29.26 | resiak | abrotman: How do you win? |
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| 00:29.36 | abrotman | pipeline: the project is dead afaik .. it used to work with woody iirc |
| 00:29.43 | travisat | gennick: not really. a curses based install can be just as good as a gui one |
| 00:29.45 | caphuego | Once d-i actually works OK, it'll be relatively easy to dump an Xfb interface ion it. |
| 00:29.47 | pipeline | abrotman: PGI is an entirely separate installer -- I'm talking a GTK frontend to d-i. |
| 00:29.49 | linuxn00b | I only made the decision to completely switch after when all my basic hardware got supported.. (Canon printer, ATi with acceleration, etc). |
| 00:29.58 | abrotman | pipeline: which is what it was |
| 00:29.59 | pipeline | linuxn00b: ATi with acceleration? Hahah, good luck. |
| 00:30.00 | gennick | travisat as good or better yes, but comfort factor is important |
| 00:30.02 | FieldySnuts | not our fault you have lame hardware |
| 00:30.04 | pipeline | abrotman: It was? |
| 00:30.11 | gennick | u have to coddle the user a lil |
| 00:30.15 | linuxn00b | pipeline, I succeed...after four hours.. |
| 00:30.17 | FieldySnuts | u do? |
| 00:30.18 | linuxn00b | :( it was painful.. |
| 00:30.34 | gennick | just a lil in the beginning ;-) |
| 00:30.35 | travisat | gennick: comfort value? like in matresses? |
| 00:30.36 | linuxn00b | problem is...ubuntu users are not that savy...expert like some of you guys here.. I presume.. |
| 00:30.44 | gennick | travisat no like comfort food |
| 00:30.49 | travisat | what??? |
| 00:30.51 | pipeline | gennick: d-i *is* coddling. In my day, installation was cat * | tar -xpf - |
| 00:30.54 | gennick | installing an OS is scary for your average user |
| 00:30.56 | abrotman | pipeline: read the docs .. i think it was for woody though |
| 00:31.00 | linuxn00b | ATI prop. is still buggy... hard xserver lockup with some GL programs.. |
| 00:31.03 | abrotman | pipeline: or go ask joey |
| 00:31.05 | FieldySnuts | oh geez. |
| 00:31.15 | caphuego | gennick: That's why they have the option of paying me $165 an hour to do it for them. |
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| 00:31.18 | pipeline | abrotman: I had thought PGI was a modified anaconda :P |
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| 00:31.27 | abrotman | pipeline: no . there's an anaconda project too :) |
| 00:31.29 | gennick | caphuego or paying 200 for windows once |
| 00:31.32 | caphuego | linuxn00b: The trick is to buy hardware you *know* is going to work. |
| 00:31.41 | linuxn00b | well, I don't know whether we have any major developers here...but is there any plan to slap in Knoppix style hardware detection to future Debian installer? |
| 00:31.42 | caphuego | gennick: $165 seems cheaper. |
| 00:31.50 | pipeline | abrotman: No, PGI is definitely a separate project -- not a d-i frontend. |
| 00:31.50 | FieldySnuts | it's a filter for morons. which is fine, if they accidentally do it right, they'll just break shit anyway |
| 00:31.51 | gennick | caphuego not on the second PC |
| 00:31.53 | dvs | caphuego: That's kind of hard with wireless network cards. |
| 00:31.56 | Iron | the trick is to make the hardware that doesnt work...work! |
| 00:31.57 | caphuego | linuxn00b: knoppix stole it from debian, mate. |
| 00:32.00 | abrotman | pipeline: not for sarge .. i said it three times now |
| 00:32.07 | caphuego | linuxn00b: It's been in the sarge installer for well over a year. |
| 00:32.10 | linuxn00b | caphuego, really? I thought it was from Redhat. |
| 00:32.10 | Becca | Mrf, I feel like a little scientist trying to cure the flu on my computer. |
| 00:32.11 | abrotman | pipeline: it's old .. and dead afaik .. it is years old |
| 00:32.14 | pipeline | linuxn00b: If by "knoppix-style," you mean the discover script, never. |
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| 00:32.36 | caphuego | dvs: What is? knowing it'll work? Only a problem if you can't use google. |
| 00:32.47 | linuxn00b | ah, the joys of manually editing your X86config, and other init files.. |
| 00:32.48 | abrotman | pipeline: and progeny gave the code back to debian anyways .. we could have had a gtk installer for sarge .. they decided not to |
| 00:32.49 | pmcdonnell | Does Sarge offer a tool to manage an LVM setup after the installation. Specifically, to add a new disk to the volume? Or do I just use vgextend, etc? |
| 00:32.54 | alephone | hi, I'm trying to remove some packages via apt-get, one of the packages i am removing is openssl, for some reason it is going to uninstall mysql-server even though openssl is not listed as a dependency. is there any way around this? |
| 00:32.58 | dvs | caphuego: The chipset on network cards change without notice |
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| 00:33.06 | gennick | pmcdonnell look in to EVMS |
| 00:33.08 | caphuego | dvs: Yes, again, google. |
| 00:33.09 | gennick | it rocks |
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| 00:33.14 | Tempus2 | mentor: thanks SO much, ive got startx goin now. I really appreciate it. |
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| 00:33.31 | linuxn00b | so debian gurus, does anyone know of working on-the-fly compression system for Ext3? |
| 00:33.37 | pipeline | abrotman: I don't want a GTK installer for sarge. A GTK interface for the standard installer would be at least a cool hack. I don't know if it would be very useful. |
| 00:33.40 | caphuego | dvs: And in a worst-case scenario, ndiswrapper invariably does the trick. |
| 00:33.40 | linuxn00b | something like Doublespace or NTFS compression? |
| 00:33.43 | pmcdonnell | gennick, I have, but LVM seemed more standard... *shrug* - works fine for me |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | linuxn00b: are you even running debian? |
| 00:33.52 | linuxn00b | abrotman, Ubuntu.. |
| 00:33.54 | abrotman | pipeline: agreed .. |
| 00:33.57 | Iron | bah |
| 00:33.59 | gennick | pmcdonnell u can use evms gui to manage lvm if u want |
| 00:34.00 | abrotman | linuxn00b: then what the fuck are you doing here? |
| 00:34.02 | pipeline | pmcdonnell: lvm2 is a lot easier to deal with than EVMS |
| 00:34.04 | Iron | lol |
| 00:34.04 | caphuego | linuxn00b: Buy a new HDD< they're cheap and won't wreck your data as well as slow your machine down. |
| 00:34.06 | abrotman | gennick: /msg dpkg u |
| 00:34.09 | linuxn00b | abrotman, bec. ubuntu users don't have the answer. |
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| 00:34.20 | Phated | ... |
| 00:34.20 | pipeline | linuxn00b: Install Sarge, then we'll talk. |
| 00:34.22 | abrotman | linuxn00b: that doesn't make this the right place to ask .. we don't run ubuntu . we run debian |
| 00:34.25 | gennick | abrotman what? |
| 00:34.27 | linuxn00b | caphuego, I have 450 gig worth of space.. |
| 00:34.32 | linuxn00b | but it's mostly full.. |
| 00:34.33 | abrotman | gennick: stop saying 'u' |
| 00:34.34 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:34.36 | caphuego | linuxn00b: In short, no. There is no working on-the-fly compression system for ext3. |
| 00:34.40 | a_monkey | i want to be included in a debain mailing list, but i don't want 10,000 emails a day. |
| 00:34.45 | linuxn00b | caphuego, thanks... |
| 00:34.46 | caphuego | linuxn00b: Delete some pron. |
| 00:34.46 | pmcdonnell | pipeline, that's what I thought... but still, is there a "Debian Way" to add a new disk, or just the usual lvm tools? |
| 00:34.46 | a_monkey | is this possible |
| 00:34.47 | pipeline | abrotman: That's what my initial comment was about -- d-i is sufficiently abstracted that you could write a GUI frontend. |
| 00:34.47 | a_monkey | ? |
| 00:34.48 | gennick | oh ok sorry im lazy |
| 00:34.49 | gennick | hehe |
| 00:34.51 | sparr_ | Does linux have any equivalent to DOS' "mode con lines=50" that doesnt require hours of research and arcane knowledge of video chipsets, clocks, etc? |
| 00:34.52 | linuxn00b | caphuego, good idea.. :) |
| 00:34.52 | FieldySnuts | disk space is so damn cheap these days. haha yeah delete porn. or buy more disk space. |
| 00:34.53 | pipeline | a_monkey: Subscribe to the digests |
| 00:35.04 | a_monkey | pipeline: huh? |
| 00:35.04 | cureless | linuxn00b: you want to compress files on the ext3 system or you want to compress the whole ext3 system? |
| 00:35.05 | a_monkey | pipeline: how? |
| 00:35.08 | abrotman | pipeline: they started for sarge .. and dropped it |
| 00:35.08 | linuxn00b | though, I have already filled four IDE channels... |
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| 00:35.17 | pipeline | a_monkey: It's on the signup page for the regular mailing lists. |
| 00:35.22 | pipeline | a_monkey: Just check the box that says "digest mode" |
| 00:35.23 | abrotman | pipeline: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/gtk-frontend |
| 00:35.23 | linuxn00b | cureless, the full ext3 system...and possibly encrypt them on the fly. |
| 00:35.24 | a_monkey | pipeline: oh |
| 00:35.27 | pipeline | a_monkey: It'll send you one mail a day. |
| 00:35.34 | caphuego | linuxn00b: No, BAD. SLOW. |
| 00:35.35 | abrotman | pipeline: feel better? |
| 00:35.37 | pipeline | abrotman: I'm not surprised. The Curses interface is plenty good |
| 00:35.39 | linuxn00b | there is a commercial solution extZ..but it seems close source. |
| 00:35.40 | cureless | linuxn00b: so you don't want to compress ext3, you want to compress a device. |
| 00:35.46 | caphuego | linuxn00b: If it crashes, you'll pretty much lose all that data. |
| 00:35.48 | shingouz | linuxn00b: stop whining and get hardware scsi raid |
| 00:35.53 | pipeline | abrotman: My initial comment was that it's possible but pointless :P |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | pipeline: if you read the url i just gave you . you see they started .. and dropped it |
| 00:36.09 | caphuego | I do hope you have that 450Gb of stuff backed up or running as raid1. |
| 00:36.09 | pipeline | linuxn00b: It's not practical. You can do it, but you don't want to. |
| 00:36.27 | abrotman | linuxn00b: since a new system costs $200 .. but a new HDD |
| 00:36.31 | alephone | how can i remove a package with apt-get without removing other packages that suggest using the package i want to remove? |
| 00:36.44 | pipeline | alephone: apt-get remove |
| 00:36.47 | linuxn00b | caphuego, no backup... never done it before.. I only backup papers, pictures, etc... I should know better (losing a lot of stuff due to crappy Maxtor) |
| 00:36.48 | Iron | lol |
| 00:36.58 | Iron | ow |
| 00:37.00 | abrotman | buy :) |
| 00:37.11 | alephone | pipeline: i'm trying to remove openssl but it's also going to uninstall mysql-server |
| 00:37.13 | linuxn00b | pipeline, I c.. |
| 00:37.17 | alephone | how can i get around that |
| 00:37.19 | caphuego | linuxn00b: Sheesh. And you want to add a bad solution to an over-full system WITHOUT backups? |
| 00:37.27 | a_monkey | pipeline: there isn't a digestified version of my mailing list |
| 00:37.32 | linuxn00b | under Windows XP, compressing the entire partition doesn't seem to slow down the system... |
| 00:37.35 | a_monkey | pipeline: only debian-user and debian-devel |
| 00:38.00 | linuxn00b | caphuego, well, I backup user files... and it's kinda impossible to backup 300 gig worth of media.. |
| 00:38.01 | caphuego | linuxn00b: That's because NTFS is slow to begin with. |
| 00:38.26 | bbrazil | linuxn00b: I don't know if this is relavent, but you realise that ewcompressing jpegs, gifs, movies, mp3s etc. is going to save you virtually nothing? |
| 00:38.30 | abrotman | linuxn00b: no it's not |
| 00:38.33 | FieldySnuts | we're quite obviously a bit too close to sunday |
| 00:38.35 | bbrazil | *recompressing |
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| 00:38.43 | abrotman | linuxn00b: they make some nice DLT autoloaders |
| 00:38.49 | ShadowMaster1 | I backup 17 TB each weekend. 300 GB is nothing compared to that... <grin> |
| 00:38.53 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: wednessday and thursday are too close to sunday. |
| 00:38.54 | Iron | 300 gig drives are cheap...copy it there and store it in your desk |
| 00:39.00 | shingouz | (doesn't anyone have hobnailed boots...) |
| 00:39.05 | abrotman | ShadowMaster1: i have a friend that does that :) |
| 00:39.08 | linuxn00b | bbrazil, yes. but I want to compress my root partition... I mean I have only installed a few programs (like 40), but I have somehow filled my 30 gig partition. |
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| 00:39.22 | FieldySnuts | geez you're not gonna compress any whole partition safely. |
| 00:39.23 | bbrazil | linuxn00b: du -hs /var/log |
| 00:39.23 | linuxn00b | 17TB..wow. |
| 00:39.25 | linuxn00b | tape driver? |
| 00:39.29 | Iron | delete the logs |
| 00:39.35 | cureless | he writes it down on paper |
| 00:39.38 | abrotman | ShadowMaster1: IBM robot machine ? |
| 00:39.39 | bbrazil | linuxn00b: somethings wrong somewhere... |
| 00:39.52 | FieldySnuts | if you have kde, install / use filelight to find wasted space. be sure to turn on cross filesystem boundaries and show small files. |
| 00:39.54 | linuxn00b | only 7.7M |
| 00:39.54 | ShadowMaster1 | Tape robot.. 16 drives, 300 tapes.. |
| 00:40.07 | abrotman | ShadowMaster1: one of the big IBM hoopajoobies? |
| 00:40.10 | linuxn00b | fieldsnuts, thanks. |
| 00:40.15 | ShadowMaster1 | Not IBM.. Storage Works.. |
| 00:40.19 | ShadowMaster1 | TEK |
| 00:40.21 | bbrazil | linuxn00b: du -h /home ? |
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| 00:40.41 | abrotman | ShadowMaster1: my friend does it for a .edu .. the thing probably is larger than my car :) |
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| 00:40.57 | pipeline | alephone: Then it's not suggested, but rather required. |
| 00:41.04 | bbrazil | linuxn00b: also, /var/cache/apt |
| 00:41.07 | alexscott_2 | ++ |
| 00:41.08 | pipeline | a_monkey: Ah, well. I would use careful filtering, then ;) |
| 00:41.13 | thingfish | oh yum for bubble and squeak |
| 00:41.14 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing quick like a large tape robot |
| 00:41.20 | abrotman | quite? |
| 00:41.21 | alephone | pipeline: when i apt-cache show mysql-server it lists openssl as suggested |
| 00:41.27 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes... quite... |
| 00:41.27 | linuxn00b | wow.. 15 gig in home.. |
| 00:41.40 | pipeline | alephone: I'm not sure how you managed to do that. o_0 |
| 00:41.42 | abrotman | caphuego: champagne and mice? |
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| 00:41.47 | thingfish | potatoes and cabbage, you can't go wrong. |
| 00:41.48 | bbrazil | linuxn00b: still doesn't explain the 15G elsewhere... |
| 00:42.07 | ShadowMaster1 | it's all the porn downloads <just kidding> |
| 00:42.19 | caphuego | mash and spiced, grated beetroot actually |
| 00:42.22 | cureless | ShadowMaster1: your 17TB are porn? |
| 00:42.35 | linuxn00b | heh.... I wish.. hard to find good porns.. |
| 00:42.41 | thingfish | I love beets too, my dad grows them in his garden. |
| 00:42.42 | pipeline | Hard to find porn? |
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| 00:42.46 | Iron | lol |
| 00:42.48 | linuxn00b | pipeline, yes.. |
| 00:42.49 | linuxn00b | :) |
| 00:42.49 | pipeline | WTF, living in S. Arabia or something? |
| 00:42.58 | pipeline | Porn is a bigger industry than the airlines |
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| 00:43.08 | Phated | If he's talking about -good- pron, then yes. |
| 00:43.08 | pipeline | In number of transactions, it drowns all other internet commerce |
| 00:43.12 | caphuego | linuxn00b: tinc.debian.net |
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| 00:43.14 | linuxn00b | pipeline, you know the great Babylon. |
| 00:43.15 | pipeline | (airline tickets beat it in dollars changing hands) |
| 00:43.16 | cureless | pipeline: he said "good porn" which means porn that he likes, and we don't know what he likes. |
| 00:43.17 | golya | Hi! Can I figure out what locks my mounted filesystem< |
| 00:43.27 | pipeline | cureless: The intarwebs cater to all disgusting tastes |
| 00:43.34 | bbrazil | golya: lsof /path/to/filesystem |
| 00:43.37 | ApEtc | cureless: GAMP? |
| 00:43.43 | pipeline | You like clothed women hugging bears? There's a gaggle of sites for you. There's probably even a TGP. |
| 00:43.45 | FieldySnuts | argh! |
| 00:43.49 | seba | it is posible to configure the hotkeys of a USB keyboard? |
| 00:43.49 | linuxn00b | heh.. |
| 00:43.56 | linuxn00b | no, I like bunch of penguins and guys doing it.. |
| 00:43.58 | cureless | yeah, I've browsed usenet too. |
| 00:44.08 | Tempus2 | there a keyboard shortcut to log out of KDE? heh. Mouse isn't working. |
| 00:44.12 | bbrazil | linuxn00b: did you check out /var/cache/apt ? |
| 00:44.17 | golya | bbrazil: thx |
| 00:44.19 | pipeline | Tempus2: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 00:44.21 | thingfish | penguins are OK for sex but they smell like fish so you don't want to kiss them. |
| 00:44.24 | Tempus2 | ty |
| 00:44.29 | cureless | Tempus2: control-alt-backspace |
| 00:44.34 | linuxn00b | 600 meg |
| 00:44.35 | Tempus2 | ty |
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| 00:44.42 | caphuego | thingfish: I happen to LIKE herring |
| 00:44.49 | pipeline | Tempus2: that'll kill everything connected to the X server when the X server goes down, btw |
| 00:44.51 | bbrazil | Tempus2: crtl-alt-f1, login kill (not -9) kde |
| 00:44.57 | golya | bbrazil: no luck, it returns nothing, but still unable to umount :( |
| 00:45.00 | Iron | remove orphans |
| 00:45.00 | Jappis | seba, lineak (or something) |
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| 00:45.02 | cureless | ohh, the old alt-F4 days... |
| 00:45.08 | eps | yay :) irc |
| 00:45.13 | bbrazil | golya: is there another fs mounted on top of it? |
| 00:45.16 | Iron | boo eps |
| 00:45.16 | helix | yay irc!! |
| 00:45.16 | pipeline | cureless: by default, alt f4 is a valid key shortcut in both gnome and kde |
| 00:45.18 | Iron | ;0 |
| 00:45.26 | linuxn00b | ah... it's amazing how much linux developed over the years.. seriously, no need for Windows... |
| 00:45.29 | golya | bbrazil: Yes, figured out in the meantime :( |
| 00:45.46 | alephone | this is what i get when i run apt-get remove --purge openssl: The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 00:45.46 | alephone | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.46 | alephone | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.46 | eps | I can suggest that a straight switch from mandrake to debian is a very steep learning curver |
| 00:45.48 | eps | -r |
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| 00:46.00 | helix | eps: I did that |
| 00:46.00 | alephone | why is it removing all those things? |
| 00:46.03 | linuxn00b | eps, true..... |
| 00:46.05 | cureless | pipeline: I know |
| 00:46.07 | dondelelcaro | alephone: yes... there are a lot of things that depend on openssl |
| 00:46.13 | linuxn00b | It's kinda sad I wasted so much time reinstalling Windows.. |
| 00:46.15 | linuxn00b | :) |
| 00:46.27 | alephone | dondelelcaro: mysql-server doesn't list openssl as a dependecy |
| 00:46.43 | alephone | Depends: mysql-common (>= 4.0.24-2), mysql-client (>= 4.0.24-2), debconf (>= 1.2.9), libdbi-perl, perl (>= 5.6), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libmysqlclient12, libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libwrap0, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), adduser (>= 3.40), psmisc, passwd, mailx, gawk |
| 00:46.51 | seba | Jappis: lineak is a package? |
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| 00:46.53 | Becca | Thanks for the help everyone, have a good night |
| 00:47.02 | helix | eps: anyway, welcome to debian :D |
| 00:47.04 | eps | helix in my playing I've found that mandrake stores all of its gnome settings in strange ways - (I formated / for debain, and kept /home by its self) - is there any way to get gnome to just recreate all the config stuff? as gconf is all buggered |
| 00:47.05 | Song | hi, anyone know if i can install debian on a diskette? and install it over the net?? |
| 00:47.11 | eps | in fact I don't even have a panel :( |
| 00:47.19 | helix | urgh, gconf |
| 00:47.23 | Jappis | seba, http://lineak.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:47.28 | helix | eps: just mv .gnome stuff elsewhere |
| 00:47.34 | dvs | Song: Debian is already on diskette |
| 00:47.36 | helix | eps: restart gnome and it'll recreate them |
| 00:47.58 | Song | it is. |
| 00:47.59 | bbrazil | alephone: ah, at and mailx depends on an MTA which are provided by mutt |
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| 00:48.08 | eps | helix thanks, I've been using mandrake for the last two years - though in the last weeks they've changed the name to some thing stupid and not released a community edition of 10.2, so why stay with an OS that doesn't care about users when you have a choice :) |
| 00:48.11 | Song | wher ei can get a diskette. version so i can boot off my floppy and do the install over net?? |
| 00:48.17 | eps | helix I've tried that |
| 00:48.24 | helix | eps: oh, no luck? hum |
| 00:48.33 | eps | helix it is complaining about a database or similar? |
| 00:48.36 | dvs | Song: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:48.48 | eps | GConf error: No database available to save your configuration: <--- start of the long error |
| 00:48.49 | abrotman | Song: /msg dpkg bf |
| 00:48.50 | bbrazil | alephone: s/mutt/exim/ |
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| 00:48.53 | helix | eps: what error? (I don't actually use gnome so this is partially guesswork) |
| 00:48.55 | helix | oh |
| 00:48.55 | helix | hmm |
| 00:49.00 | caphuego | http://www.waxvisual.com/waxaudio/mp3/Imagine%20This.MP3 |
| 00:49.06 | dondelelcaro | alephone: sure, but notice that it depends on mailx? guess what mailx depends on? exim. |
| 00:49.09 | eps | I've tried doing what it suggests to fix it but I don't know enough about gconf and orbit to play without breaking it |
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| 00:49.11 | helix | eps: nothing on google? :( I don't know |
| 00:49.19 | Song | thanks |
| 00:49.20 | alephone | right, but all i'm trying to remove is openssl |
| 00:49.24 | abrotman | eps: how did you install gnome? |
| 00:49.26 | eps | helix only just got apt working so I'm grabbing a browser now |
| 00:49.26 | helix | eps: what happens when you mv the .gconf stuff out of the way? |
| 00:49.31 | eps | abrotman via the install cd's |
| 00:49.31 | alephone | all the other packages were installed before i installed openssl |
| 00:49.31 | helix | eps: nod, ok |
| 00:49.33 | linuxn00b | is software raid dangerous? |
| 00:49.34 | StupidMop | What is a good, easy to use commandline MP3 player for debian? |
| 00:49.35 | dondelelcaro | alephone: yes... notice that exim-tls depends on openssl? |
| 00:49.39 | alephone | why does it require me to remove all these things now? |
| 00:49.39 | eps | helix no idea |
| 00:49.44 | abrotman | linuxn00b: you're not even running debian .. why are you still here? |
| 00:49.51 | bbrazil | alephone: becayse they need openssl |
| 00:50.02 | caphuego | StupidMop: mpg321 |
| 00:50.08 | linuxn00b | abrotman, so Ubuntu =! Debian? also Knoppix =! Debian? |
| 00:50.10 | Song | thanks all.. |
| 00:50.14 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 00:50.15 | alephone | mysql-server does not listn openssl as a dependency |
| 00:50.18 | alephone | like i said before |
| 00:50.19 | Song | which bin is the bootable one? is it the root.bin? |
| 00:50.19 | Phated | linuxn00b: Er, yeah. |
| 00:50.22 | Jappis | seba, you can also find it with apt =) |
| 00:50.25 | eps | the local debian geek suggested I could be having the problem because of the way mandrake does user id's |
| 00:50.25 | Phated | Also, it's !=. |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | linuxn00b: right ... |
| 00:50.32 | caphuego | StupidMop: no, rescue.bin |
| 00:50.49 | caphuego | Phated: <> may ring closer to home |
| 00:50.55 | bbrazil | akusarujin: but it does list mailx |
| 00:50.55 | StupidMop | caphuego: ? rescue.bin is a player?? |
| 00:50.57 | dondelelcaro | alephone: you're not following the logic. mysql-server depends on mailx which depends on exim-tls which (apparently) depends on openssl. |
| 00:50.58 | linuxn00b | Isn't ubuntu forked from Sid? and Ubuntu develops actively contributing patches to Sid even before they release for Ubuntu? |
| 00:51.00 | Song | hi?? |
| 00:51.01 | Phated | caphuego: Ah, all right. |
| 00:51.04 | dondelelcaro | !depends exim-tls woody |
| 00:51.04 | bbrazil | alephone: ^ |
| 00:51.05 | dpkg | exim-tls: depends on libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libdb3 (>= 3.2.9-16), libident (>= 0.22-1), libldap2 (>= 2.0.23-1), libpam0g (>= 0.72-1), libpcre3, libssl0.9.6, cron (>=3.0pl1-42), netbase, openssl, debianutils (>=1.6), libdb3-util |
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| 00:51.16 | seba | Jappis: thanks |
| 00:51.16 | FieldySnuts | LISTEN: ubuntu is not debian. knoppix is not debian. ok? READ THIS |
| 00:51.17 | dondelelcaro | alephone: see above? Yes. This would be important. |
| 00:51.20 | alephone | well can i just uninstall exim-tls and leave exim? |
| 00:51.21 | caphuego | StupidMop: no, thatw as for song. you need 'mpg321' |
| 00:51.26 | caphuego | Song: rescue.bin |
| 00:51.27 | Iron | lol |
| 00:51.30 | dondelelcaro | alephone: exim-tls conflicts with exim. |
| 00:51.32 | Song | thanks |
| 00:51.35 | eps | k, restarting gnome to try that gconf thing |
| 00:51.40 | dondelelcaro | !conflicts exim-tls woody |
| 00:51.40 | StupidMop | caphuego: that makes more sense!! :-D |
| 00:51.41 | dpkg | exim-tls: mail-transport-agent, exim-doc-html (<=3.00-2), suidregister (<<0.50) |
| 00:51.44 | alephone | i don't understand how i can install one package, and then it requires me to uninstall all these other packages |
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| 00:51.50 | Fluten | i am thinking of buying a dvd burner, and does it matter what brand i get, or will they all work with linux once using scsi emulation? |
| 00:51.50 | Phated | linuxn00b: See, once it's "forked", it isn't the same thing anymore. If it were... it wouldn't be "forked". Whatever weird definition of "forked" you have. |
| 00:51.54 | caphuego | StupidMop: Stop accusing me of making sense. |
| 00:52.02 | linuxn00b | gcosmin, I do.. |
| 00:52.02 | caphuego | !tell gcosmin -about fglrx |
| 00:52.03 | Phated | alephone: Because the other packages depend on this one package. |
| 00:52.04 | dondelelcaro | alephone: you're not installing one package. You're *REMOVING* it. |
| 00:52.05 | thomas_adam | alephone: Yeah - who needs dependencies? |
| 00:52.05 | FieldySnuts | gcosmin: good luck. ati's linux drivers suck. |
| 00:52.09 | StupidMop | caphuego: LOL |
| 00:52.11 | Song | now. what windows program to convert those .bin into .floppy images? |
| 00:52.12 | Iron | no they dont |
| 00:52.16 | Phated | Or through that long chain of dependencies, anyway. |
| 00:52.16 | abrotman | thomas_adam: fish! |
| 00:52.18 | linuxn00b | gcosmin, it can be done.. |
| 00:52.21 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Hehehehehe. |
| 00:52.27 | Hamled | where can I find some info on .forward files? (unfortunately google doesn't count the ., so .forward won't give very specific information) |
| 00:52.30 | dvs | Song: From Windows? |
| 00:52.34 | Song | yeah |
| 00:52.34 | alephone | can i force the uninstall of exim-tls and then replace that with exim so it won't uninstall mysql-server? |
| 00:52.36 | dondelelcaro | Hamled: really depends on the MTA |
| 00:52.42 | Song | is it a rewrite raw? |
| 00:52.43 | abrotman | thomas_adam: done any more lately ? |
| 00:52.47 | dondelelcaro | alephone: why are you even removing openssl? |
| 00:52.48 | Hamled | dondelelcaro, using exim4 |
| 00:52.50 | thomas_adam | abrotman: No. I'm ill. |
| 00:52.54 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 00:52.55 | bbrazil | Song: I suggest rawwritewin from the cds |
| 00:52.56 | abrotman | thomas_adam: that stinks |
| 00:52.56 | dvs | Song: rawrite |
| 00:52.57 | PF_ | Thats nucking futz |
| 00:53.01 | alephone | because i don't need it |
| 00:53.22 | thomas_adam | Is that "alephone" as in "listening to a drunk"? |
| 00:53.23 | dondelelcaro | alephone: uh, you need it. Note the huge list of things that depend on it? |
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| 00:53.32 | bbrazil | thomas_adam: :) |
| 00:53.38 | alephone | before today i did not have openssl installed |
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| 00:53.42 | alephone | everything was working fine |
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| 00:53.48 | alephone | now im simply uninstalling openssl |
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| 00:54.02 | FieldySnuts | tons of stuff needs that, why are you doing that again?> |
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| 00:54.08 | dondelelcaro | alephone: no, you had openssl, you just hadn't purposely installed it, because it was pulled as a dependency of something else. |
| 00:54.11 | linuxn00b | gcosmin, I can try.. |
| 00:54.14 | alephone | how it it that all these packages were installed and running fine, and now require uninstallation |
| 00:54.23 | alephone | i did not have openssl |
| 00:54.26 | abrotman | dependencies? |
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| 00:54.34 | alephone | i dpkg -l | grep openssl and i found nothing |
| 00:54.38 | alephone | thats why i installed it |
| 00:54.38 | dondelelcaro | alephone: again, because they all depend on openssl which you are trying to remove for reasons which you haven't bothered to explain. |
| 00:54.46 | Iron | lol |
| 00:54.47 | FieldySnuts | as people have kept trying to say ( i'm trying fo the last time ), they are dependant on openssl. you yank openssl out, they won't work properly anymore. hence they end up being removed. |
| 00:54.47 | abrotman | alephone: dpkg -l | grep ssl |
| 00:54.59 | pipeline | OpenSSL is the freaking devil |
| 00:55.00 | abrotman | libssl |
| 00:55.11 | FieldySnuts | dondelelcaro: I am wondering if he's completely unable of fathoming the concept. |
| 00:55.11 | pipeline | Sucks dead weasels through a straw |
| 00:55.14 | pipeline | and has a weird license to boot |
| 00:55.25 | saskwach | I recently installed woody on an old laptop, but when I went to install a new kernel (2.4.18-586tsc) the pcmcia stuff broke. Anyone know why? (I installed kernel-pcmcia-modules) |
| 00:55.28 | FieldySnuts | apt: start an mta war |
| 00:55.29 | apt | courier rulez |
| 00:55.40 | alephone | ok well irregardless, if i uninstall mysql-server how difficult will it be to restore my database |
| 00:55.47 | Song | thank you all!!! |
| 00:55.53 | Iron | your welcome |
| 00:55.53 | Song | is sarge stable enough??? |
| 00:55.57 | dondelelcaro | alephone: You don't want to do that unless you don't care about your databases. |
| 00:56.02 | bbrazil | alephone: try this: apt-get install exim |
| 00:56.03 | dondelelcaro | Song: it's testing, not stable. |
| 00:56.04 | saskwach | Song: for what? |
| 00:56.06 | FieldySnuts | don't know myself, have to ask mysql people. full backups being key, i imagine |
| 00:56.13 | Song | sasakwach for production website |
| 00:56.28 | alephone | exim is not installed |
| 00:56.32 | pmcdonnell | I'm trying to use debmirror to make a mirror, and am getting this error: Does it mean that the mirror is broke, or I have something configured wrong?: |
| 00:56.32 | alephone | exim-tls is installed |
| 00:56.34 | pmcdonnell | gpg: Signature made Wed 13 Apr 2005 02:28:39 PM CDT using DSA key ID 4F368D5D |
| 00:56.34 | pmcdonnell | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 00:56.36 | saskwach | Song: I'd not run anything but stable on one of those |
| 00:56.49 | dondelelcaro | pmcdonnell: you haven't retrieved the ftpmaster key |
| 00:57.08 | golya | Song: My collegue said, sarge can be craked, and his server IS cracked after 1-2 weeks, but woody isn't cracked... |
| 00:57.17 | FieldySnuts | anything can be cracked... nothing is 100% |
| 00:57.19 | pmcdonnell | dondelelcaro, oh... how do I do that? |
| 00:57.21 | dondelelcaro | pmcdonnell: gpg --recv-keys 4F368D5D; |
| 00:57.34 | dondelelcaro | pmcdonnell: or, apt-get install debian-keyring; |
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| 00:57.44 | dondelelcaro | pmcdonnell: (you may need to get a newer version from unstable) |
| 00:57.59 | pmcdonnell | dondelelcaro, cool, thanks |
| 00:58.16 | sparr_ | can anyone here get frozen-bubble to launch using the aalib SDL video driver with a font size other than the default? |
| 00:58.28 | saskwach | I recently installed woody on an old laptop, but when I went to install a new kernel (2.4.18-586tsc) the pcmcia stuff broke. Anyone know why? (I installed kernel-pcmcia-modules) |
| 00:58.53 | dondelelcaro | saskwach: did you install the pcmcia modules corresponding to the kernel that you've installed? |
| 00:59.16 | saskwach | dondelelcaro: yep, kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-586tsc |
| 00:59.32 | dondelelcaro | saskwach: well, it should probably work then... what exactly isn't working? |
| 00:59.41 | linuxn00b | For those not happy with Ubuntu, there is a good blog at: http://mako.yukidoke.org/copyrighteous/freesoftware/20040924-00.html |
| 00:59.53 | FieldySnuts | who cares? this is #debian not #ubuntu , which you clearly don't get |
| 01:00.04 | saskwach | dondelelcaro: nothing happens when I plug stuff in, it says it can't find the card when I try to ifup |
| 01:00.34 | linuxn00b | FieldySnuts, I am just responding to people who say Ubuntu is not Debian and it's bad, etc. |
| 01:00.43 | linuxn00b | gcosmin, http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/Linux_ATI.html#SECTION00080000000000000000 |
| 01:00.47 | Phated | Hold on, who said it was bad? |
| 01:00.47 | chealer | !tell linuxn00b abot ubuntu |
| 01:00.48 | FieldySnuts | i dont' know about it being bad, i'm just 209% sick of hearing about it here |
| 01:00.51 | zinx | linuxn00b: no one said it was bad.. |
| 01:00.54 | chealer | !tell linuxn00b about ubuntu |
| 01:01.17 | dondelelcaro | linuxn00b: uh, that's great. Mako knows what he's talking about, and he's quite aware of the fact that Debian is not Ubuntu. |
| 01:01.31 | zinx | linuxn00b: people say it's not debian because it isn't.. ubuntu problems are typically specific to ubuntu, and a debian channel can't offer support for problems that aren't to do with debian |
| 01:01.35 | FieldySnuts | indeed, so i'm asking please, please, stop talking about ubuntu here... |
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| 01:01.43 | thingfish | well there must be something wrong with ubuntu if all its users end up here asking for help. |
| 01:01.44 | abrotman | linuxn00b: you're an idiot |
| 01:01.44 | chealer | FieldySnuts: 209%...lucky you |
| 01:01.54 | FieldySnuts | why do I have to beg? sheesh it's common sense. i guess that's the problem |
| 01:02.02 | abrotman | !tell gcosmin about ati |
| 01:02.12 | abrotman | !tell gcosmin about ati debs |
| 01:02.22 | linuxn00b | abrotman, wow.. this chan is hostile.. okay.. no more ubuntu stuff.. but i mean I am not asking any technical questions.. |
| 01:02.42 | FieldySnuts | yeah we tend to get hostile when we have to say the same thing 19 times |
| 01:02.50 | abrotman | linuxn00b: no really .. you're not even running debian .. and i seriously doubt you're qualified to give advice on debian |
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| 01:03.31 | thingfish | linuxn00b: you just have to understand that it gets REAL old having people running Debian-derived distros coming in here asking for help thinking that what they just installed is the same as Debian. |
| 01:03.31 | linuxn00b | abrotman, I don't I am giving any advice, and I will not talk about Ubuntu. |
| 01:03.46 | eps | I seem to be missing some important files, namely the ones that sit in /etc/gconf/2/* and ~/.gconf.path and ~/gconf does any one have stock versions of these files? (using debian sarge, up to date via aptget) |
| 01:03.53 | alephone | is there a way that i can apt-get install exim4 and have it autoresolve dependencies and remove exim-tls? |
| 01:04.03 | linuxn00b | gcosmin, http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/Linux_ATI.html#SECTION00080000000000000000 |
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| 01:04.30 | dondelelcaro | linuxn00b: you've said that once before already... |
| 01:04.33 | gcosmin | linuxn00b: thanx |
| 01:04.43 | linuxn00b | gcosmin, np |
| 01:04.44 | abrotman | linuxn00b: and you're pointing him to the wrong place |
| 01:04.49 | abrotman | over and over again |
| 01:04.53 | linuxn00b | abrotman, he's not running debian. |
| 01:04.58 | abrotman | then why is he here? |
| 01:05.04 | Phated | Not -again-. |
| 01:05.04 | abrotman | #ati is available |
| 01:05.04 | FieldySnuts | why are either of them here. |
| 01:05.14 | linuxn00b | I love you guys that's why.. |
| 01:05.22 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 01:05.22 | linuxn00b | I have come here often for various problems with debian in the past.. |
| 01:05.23 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: pretty please :) |
| 01:05.41 | linuxn00b | like getting help with firewall settings and such... |
| 01:05.52 | abrotman | great .. now ssshh |
| 01:05.55 | a_monkey | how can i tell what version of a certain library i have? |
| 01:05.56 | thingfish | comida mexicana awaits... |
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| 01:06.00 | abrotman | a_monkey: dpkg -l |
| 01:06.02 | linuxn00b | also, I found #debian to be much friendlier compared to #linux or #linux-help |
| 01:06.02 | dondelelcaro | a-atwood: dpkg -l it |
| 01:06.03 | bbrazil | a_monkey: dpkg -l |
| 01:06.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman, FieldySnuts: /ignore is always available... |
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| 01:06.33 | linuxn00b | dondelelcaro, good idea.. |
| 01:07.00 | sparr_ | god i hate having to reboot |
| 01:07.18 | Iron | why? |
| 01:07.19 | sparr_ | gonna end up installing vmware and running linux inside it just so i dont have to restart my machine as often |
| 01:07.19 | linuxn00b | sparr, I only wished I can reboot my brain without sleeping or resting.. |
| 01:07.33 | sparr_ | Iron: because i have to do so much shit after i reboot |
| 01:07.50 | Iron | set it up to do the shit for you |
| 01:08.04 | sparr_ | its different shit every time |
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| 01:08.08 | marinos | kill -s HUB `cat /var/run/brain.pid` |
| 01:08.08 | sparr_ | depends on what i was doing before the reboot |
| 01:08.11 | FieldySnuts | feces begets feces |
| 01:08.17 | sparr_ | right now i just want to change the video mode of my virtual terminals |
| 01:08.20 | sparr_ | im doing 10 other things |
| 01:08.22 | Iron | marinos: lol |
| 01:08.29 | marinos | :P |
| 01:08.30 | sparr_ | but i have to interrupt everything to reboot and change modes |
| 01:08.34 | Phated | Aw, come on, FieldySnuts. Uncalled for. :) |
| 01:08.39 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 01:08.45 | caphuego | FieldySnuts: æ |
| 01:08.50 | FieldySnuts | caphuego: hi |
| 01:09.00 | FieldySnuts | yay |
| 01:09.15 | marinos | hmm s/HUB/HUP/ |
| 01:09.22 | caphuego | Phated: You'll just encourage him |
| 01:09.30 | Phated | caphuego: Encourage who? |
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| 01:09.52 | abrotman | furrywolf: you're a wolf maybe? |
| 01:09.55 | MuWu | What package do I have to install to compress my root partition device plus encrypt it with PGP? |
| 01:10.04 | furrywolf | I'm a snuggly wolf. :P |
| 01:10.05 | abrotman | MuWu: oh .. we're so tricked |
| 01:10.07 | Phated | furrywolf: Because none of us even know you. |
| 01:10.11 | caphuego | Phated: FieldySluts |
| 01:10.15 | Phated | MuWu: Dude, that's pathetic. |
| 01:10.18 | FieldySnuts | hey. |
| 01:10.21 | FieldySnuts | come on |
| 01:10.24 | MuWu | what? |
| 01:10.27 | Phated | caphuego: Dude. :| |
| 01:10.28 | abrotman | MuWu: ask #gpg |
| 01:10.30 | FieldySnuts | geez. bbl |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | and who calls it PGP ? |
| 01:10.52 | alephone | what does it mean when i get this: Setting up exim4-config (4.50-4) ... |
| 01:10.52 | alephone | --output-fd: unknown option |
| 01:10.55 | Phated | Someone who doesn't use gpg, mayhap? |
| 01:10.59 | dondelelcaro | MuWu: there's no point in doing that at all. Only encrypt the files that you actually care about. |
| 01:11.02 | MuWu | gpg? I just created a new channel, you can join anytime for free chat. |
| 01:11.05 | caphuego | MuWu: maybe consider just encrypting /home. |
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| 01:11.09 | scarynetworkguy | And what the fuck are you doing using public key crupto on a mass storage device? |
| 01:11.19 | caphuego | MuWu: Coz otherwise yoyr mahcine will be VERY slow. |
| 01:11.20 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's #gnupg, apparently... |
| 01:11.26 | abrotman | err .. yeah .. that's it :) |
| 01:11.28 | furrywolf | scary: because 1 K/sec read/write rates are fine for him. :) |
| 01:11.29 | MuWu | caphuego, by how much? |
| 01:11.29 | bbrazil | scarynetworkguy: gpg does symmetic too |
| 01:11.43 | abrotman | MuWu: see .. dondelelcaro says it's #gnupg |
| 01:11.50 | MuWu | abrotman, I just joined it.. |
| 01:11.55 | caphuego | MuWu: Typically between 500% and 1000% depending on the cpu and algorithm. |
| 01:11.56 | scarynetworkguy | bbrazil: The question wasn't about gpg was it? |
| 01:12.06 | bbrazil | scarynetworkguy: no |
| 01:12.09 | MuWu | caphuego... ic.. not a good idea... so just home directory then... |
| 01:12.25 | pmiller9 | how can I have a key combination execute a arbitrary command (independent of X/gnome/kde/etc)? I want to make my laptop Fn-xx keys actually do something |
| 01:12.36 | dondelelcaro | MuWu: not even that. Just encrypt the files that need to be encrypted, plus a random smattering of choice selections from /dev/urandom |
| 01:12.45 | caphuego | scarynetworkguy: There are fun things to be done with cryptoloop, passworded private keys autofs and pam. |
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| 01:13.03 | caphuego | scarynetworkguy: mount user_cloop.img on /home/user on login etc :-) |
| 01:13.06 | MuWu | I want to encrypt my thunderbird e-mail stuff, documents, etc. |
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| 01:13.16 | dondelelcaro | MuWu: so use GPG for that. |
| 01:13.27 | scarynetworkguy | caphuego: Go teach your grandmother to suck eggs. :D |
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| 01:14.12 | we_R_DNA | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.15 | MuWu | Is it true that FBI/CIA can crack encryption in like a few days? |
| 01:14.15 | we_R_DNA | why does this happen?? |
| 01:14.20 | caphuego | scarynetworkguy: Don't make silly comments then. |
| 01:14.22 | FieldySnuts | try minutes |
| 01:14.34 | caphuego | MuWu: Depends on the encryption. |
| 01:14.42 | caphuego | MuWu: They may have issues with rot13 |
| 01:14.45 | MuWu | FieldySnuts, how can I make nearly impossible to crack? |
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| 01:14.58 | we_R_DNA | MuWu, keep it inside your head |
| 01:15.10 | MuWu | not that I am a terrorist, but in the future, I might need something.. |
| 01:15.12 | Phated | I highly doubt the CIA or FBI are interested in your documents. Don't flatter yourself. |
| 01:15.16 | furrywolf | muwu: lenslet has a matrix processor that does 8 teraops/sec... if you can apply that to encryption... |
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| 01:15.19 | bbrazil | MuWu: xor it with itself |
| 01:15.46 | MuWu | my memory isn't too good.. I can't even remember how to set firewall tables... |
| 01:15.58 | caphuego | MuWu: Sorry, but I can only tell you if you ARE a terrorist and willing to blow up Mr Bush. |
| 01:16.00 | EtherNet | dpkg -i returns me "origin signature check failed. this deb might not be signed. |
| 01:16.06 | FieldySnuts | nsa has underground cities covering acers and several floors deep of nothing but supercomputers, dream on with that uncrackable idea |
| 01:16.08 | EtherNet | verification on package XXX.. failed! |
| 01:16.12 | furrywolf | if you want unbreakable encryption, use a one-time pad. FAST too, as long as you don't mind typing in a 10-gigabyte key... |
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| 01:16.15 | MuWu | I have no love for UU. |
| 01:16.29 | scarynetworkguy | caphuego: And the odds of MuWu knowing about any of that were? |
| 01:16.33 | MuWu | I feel like I am living in 1980... already. |
| 01:16.47 | caphuego | MuWu: Not much different from you know it eh? |
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| 01:17.11 | EtherNet | "dpkg" -i returns me "origin signature check failed. this deb might not be signed. |
| 01:17.23 | EtherNet | and stops... without installingthe package.. any idea? |
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| 01:18.23 | EtherNet | ? |
| 01:18.26 | mentor | !tell EtherNet about repeat |
| 01:18.37 | MuWu | FieldSnuts, do you have a link with that underground computer theory? |
| 01:18.40 | mentor | EtherNet: Patience dear boy. What version of dpkg are you using? |
| 01:18.43 | travisat | .......[please remain seated as we begin our trip to 1980]........ |
| 01:18.47 | abrotman | MuWu: are you not from .us ? |
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| 01:19.08 | newkid | is it allright to ask a question? |
| 01:19.16 | scarynetworkguy | And as long as the Vicar's wife closes her eyes. |
| 01:19.22 | MuWu | abrotman, you can always /whois me.. |
| 01:19.22 | mentor | newkid: NO! |
| 01:19.26 | travisat | no. nobody can ever ask questions |
| 01:19.27 | mentor | !tell newkid about ask |
| 01:19.30 | mentor | newkid: ;) |
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| 01:19.32 | newkid | hehe. all right |
| 01:19.39 | abrotman | MuWu: that doesn't answer the question |
| 01:19.40 | Segers_J | newkid: no, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time (j/k) |
| 01:19.46 | MuWu | abrotman, I am sadly here in the US... |
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| 01:19.52 | abrotman | MuWu: and how old are you? |
| 01:19.53 | MuWu | abrotman, i wish I was born a swiss.. |
| 01:19.55 | we_R_DNA | I did my stupid taxes |
| 01:20.12 | abrotman | we_R_DNA: did you mail them too? |
| 01:20.13 | MuWu | abrotman, I am probably too old.. |
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| 01:20.24 | abrotman | MuWu: and you don't know about the NSA? |
| 01:20.24 | mentor | scarynetworkguy: Sorry, I really shouold read it. |
| 01:20.27 | MuWu | also, I am not in a computer industry.. linux is just my hobby. |
| 01:20.30 | we_R_DNA | abrotman, yes |
| 01:20.36 | MuWu | abrotman, national security agency? |
| 01:20.36 | deathz0r-Work | gnite |
| 01:20.37 | we_R_DNA | thx to the mail man |
| 01:20.48 | scarynetworkguy | mentor: Yes you should. |
| 01:20.50 | Shadowfax | Hello |
| 01:20.52 | abrotman | caphuego: as opposed to? |
| 01:20.54 | MuWu | well, I read somewhere that every phone call is screened for key words.. |
| 01:20.57 | caphuego | abrotman: a grub |
| 01:21.01 | abrotman | ewww |
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| 01:21.10 | caphuego | yes, my pojnt exactly |
| 01:21.21 | travisat | just think every word we type is being recorded |
| 01:21.23 | newkid | so i have hal setup. hotplug & udev seem to be working. but only if one is root. is there a simple way to apply hal automount for normal users? |
| 01:21.26 | Phated | It won't kill you. They're very high in protein. |
| 01:21.35 | MuWu | well, but I used to have some sort of respect for justice system here..but I learned it's probably equally corrupt as any other countrys' justice systems. |
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| 01:21.44 | Phated | *koff* |
| 01:21.54 | eps | hey guys how does debian see this mounting stuff - I'm noticing /media ... Should I be mounting my other partitions to /mnt or to /media? |
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| 01:21.59 | caphuego | Yes, i know. But they look disgusting. |
| 01:22.01 | MuWu | travisat, I do't think they are interested in freenod chan.s |
| 01:22.07 | mentor | caphuego: What's worse than finding a maggot in your apple? |
| 01:22.10 | Segers_J | caphuego: grasshoppers are tasty if spiced and fried <shrug> |
| 01:22.11 | Phated | This is innocence. Please let it be innocence. I don't want it to be the alternative. |
| 01:22.14 | caphuego | Phated: AJnd they don't taste like lemon ants |
| 01:22.24 | caphuego | mentor: finding fooz in my apple? |
| 01:22.28 | Phated | caphuego: Lemon ants? Sounds fascinating. |
| 01:22.28 | scarynetworkguy | Ants are good. |
| 01:22.30 | Jappis | eps, do as you like? =) |
| 01:22.31 | mentor | caphuego: Being raped. |
| 01:22.32 | furrywolf | eps: I use /mnt only for random things... others I name. such as my digicam goes on /digicam... |
| 01:22.39 | scarynetworkguy | I don't think it's innocence. |
| 01:22.46 | travisat | I use /mnt for everything |
| 01:22.46 | eps | ah I see |
| 01:22.49 | deathz0r_ | does any one knows how to make that davicom 9102F that comes with the m748 pcchips work? |
| 01:23.05 | eps | yeah, I'm used to putting everything in /mnt |
| 01:23.08 | EtherNet | mentor, 1.9.21 version |
| 01:23.19 | MuWu | for those interested in the state of American justice system: http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/worldwidenewsl172704.html |
| 01:23.20 | eps | just wasn't sure if there was some thing debian users perfered |
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| 01:23.34 | scarynetworkguy | caphuego: So is the story they told us in sere school about people in .au using ants to make lemonade true? |
| 01:23.40 | eps | MuWu I'm not interested in systems that don't work :P |
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| 01:23.50 | MuWu | eps, I think it works really well.. not just for us.. |
| 01:23.50 | newkid | ubuntu is cool but I would rather use debian sarge. screw dependency hell. |
| 01:23.53 | eps | scarynetworkguy you can do it :) |
| 01:24.05 | eps | though it is honey more than lemonade |
| 01:24.05 | caphuego | scarynetworkguy: Lemons grow just fine here, there's a whole tree full in my back yard. |
| 01:24.07 | deathz0r_ | it seems to work but i cant put ifconfig eth0 media 10BaseT |
| 01:24.18 | eps | MuWu I can agree with that |
| 01:24.33 | caphuego | scarynetworkguy: Besides, using the ants would result in lemonade tasting like lemon and chilli (they're QUITE spicy) |
| 01:24.38 | alephone | can someone help me install exim please? |
| 01:24.41 | eps | caphuego there is that ant that you can crush to make some thing that tastes like honey :) |
| 01:24.50 | Phated | caphuego: Call it tom yam and make a killing! |
| 01:24.51 | caphuego | scarynetworkguy: The ants go VERY WELL with steamed barramundi though |
| 01:25.04 | MuWu | eps, for some intersting stuff, you can google: Behemian club, Bush Nazi connection, Illumnati, Bones and Skulls, IBM and Nazi |
| 01:25.11 | scarynetworkguy | caphuego: Yeah. I know I've eaten plenty of them, when I was bored and hanging out in NBC gear. :D |
| 01:25.20 | deathz0r_ | can any one help me please |
| 01:25.27 | MuWu | caphuego, some ants are actually edible..and sweet tasting.. |
| 01:25.43 | caphuego | MuWu: Yes, I know. others are edible and not sweet. |
| 01:26.04 | MuWu | caphuego, ants are probably one of most underrated insects... their society is really advanced.. with extreme specialization and elaborate communication system. |
| 01:26.05 | mentor | EtherNet: Do you have debsigs installed? |
| 01:26.21 | MuWu | gcosmin, were you successful with ATI? |
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| 01:26.30 | gcosmin | MuWu: all moust |
| 01:26.32 | mentor | alephone: What proplems are you having? |
| 01:26.34 | abrotman | gcosmin: what distro are you using? |
| 01:26.36 | Wyzard | deathz0r_: Why do you need to specify "media 10baseT" ? |
| 01:26.37 | eps | erm if I have a fat 32 file under <type> in fstab I want vfat don't I? |
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| 01:26.45 | Phated | Yeah. |
| 01:26.55 | gcosmin | abrotman: gentoo |
| 01:26.57 | mentor | eps: Yes. |
| 01:26.59 | deathz0r_ | thanz Wyzard i really dont know what else to test |
| 01:27.01 | Wyzard | eps: The difference between "msdos" and "vfat" is support for long filenames, not support for FAT32 |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | gcosmin: #gentoo and #ati .. certainly not #debian |
| 01:27.16 | deathz0r_ | the network is on a 10mbps hub |
| 01:27.22 | eps | erm |
| 01:27.23 | EtherNet | mentor, I dont think so |
| 01:27.26 | Wyzard | deathz0r_: Just load the driver module for the network card and it should work... and if you have an eth0, you've probably done that already |
| 01:27.28 | mentor | gcosmin: Asking questions like that to highlight oneself is considered bad form too. |
| 01:27.29 | eps | so I want fat32 then? |
| 01:27.33 | gcosmin | abrotman: no body from #gentoo or #ati wanna to help me |
| 01:27.34 | MuWu | ants with built-in bio fridge: http://www.sasionline.org/antsfiles/pages/honeyants/honey.html |
| 01:27.39 | mentor | EtherNet: Odd. Try checking though... |
| 01:27.42 | alephone | mentor: exim4-config, exim4-base and exim4-daemon-light are partially installed, but i can't resolve their dependencies |
| 01:27.49 | Wyzard | deathz0r_: The card will autodetect what speed to use, unless you have a really ancient hub that doesn't support that |
| 01:27.54 | abrotman | gcosmin: those channels are where you should be asking for help .. we have no idea how gentoo works |
| 01:27.55 | mentor | alephone: Ah. |
| 01:27.56 | gcosmin | i ask every day ther nothing |
| 01:27.59 | eps | also for ntfs I just put defaults... or erm, I've got no idea - the manual for it is far to confusing |
| 01:28.02 | deathz0r_ | i guess thats it |
| 01:28.04 | deathz0r_ | i will try |
| 01:28.05 | deathz0r_ | thankz |
| 01:28.06 | furrywolf | what's the bot command for "them not helping isn't our problem"? |
| 01:28.06 | MuWu | wyzard, is Vfat = FAT32? |
| 01:28.06 | Delph | gcosmin: is there a mailing list you can join? |
| 01:28.08 | abrotman | !d-i gcosmin |
| 01:28.08 | dpkg | gcosmin, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:28.11 | dondelelcaro | mentor: I think alephone its running stable... |
| 01:28.14 | Wyzard | MuWu: no |
| 01:28.23 | Wyzard | MuWu: vfat is fat with support for long filenames |
| 01:28.28 | alephone | im running sarge |
| 01:28.33 | mentor | dondelelcaro: ah. |
| 01:28.34 | gcosmin | i need some help with TV-OUT .. |
| 01:28.39 | abrotman | gcosmin: #ati |
| 01:28.43 | mentor | alephone: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 01:28.43 | eps | so to use fat32 I want to put fat32 under type? |
| 01:28.47 | alephone | sarge |
| 01:28.58 | Wyzard | eps: No, you want to use vfat |
| 01:29.05 | eps | cool :) |
| 01:29.07 | gcosmin | i don`t know what to chose ther PAL- .. ? |
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| 01:29.20 | Wyzard | eps: Both "msdos" and "vfat" support FAT32... the difference is that "vfat" supports long filenames, and "msdos" doesn't |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | gcosmin: really .. #ati |
| 01:29.30 | mentor | alephone: Did you dist-upgrade from woody? |
| 01:29.30 | eps | okayt |
| 01:29.31 | MuWu | wyzard, hmm... I have mounted FAT32 as Vfat.. seems to work. |
| 01:29.36 | alephone | mentor: yes |
| 01:29.37 | gcosmin | abrotman: thanx |
| 01:29.41 | furrywolf | gcosmin: this isn't #ati. go ask in #ati. they know things about ati cards. we don't. |
| 01:29.42 | mentor | alephone: Ah. |
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| 01:30.03 | mentor | alephone: OK, could you paste the dependency errors you are getting in #flood? |
| 01:30.12 | sparr_ | using a debian kernel image with framebuffer drivers as modules, how do i enable/use one of them? vesafb, to be precise. |
| 01:30.19 | Wyzard | MuWu: Did you read what I just said a moment ago? |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: he's not so bright |
| 01:30.30 | MuWu | wyzard, yes.. |
| 01:30.40 | MuWu | abrotman, sorry.. only IQ of 137 |
| 01:30.43 | mentor | oops |
| 01:30.49 | bbrazil | mentor: he's trying to get rid of exim-tls to get rid of openssl |
| 01:30.51 | abrotman | MuWu: IQ != common sense |
| 01:30.56 | MuWu | abrotman, mensa don't want me. |
| 01:31.01 | abrotman | exactly |
| 01:31.03 | MuWu | abrotman, common sense buffles me. |
| 01:31.05 | Delph | gcosmin: you're trying in the wrong place, now. Do you have a local linux user group you could try, or find a mailing list. You're unlikely to get help here if you've not found it yet =:) |
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| 01:31.18 | mentor | bbrazil: why?! |
| 01:31.23 | alephone | ok i pasted it |
| 01:31.26 | gcosmin | Delph: :) |
| 01:31.46 | gcosmin | i tinck i will get debian :) |
| 01:31.47 | MuWu | What would be the most useful computer language for Linux? |
| 01:31.56 | mentor | alephone: Sadly not...you got kicked off the server for flooding. |
| 01:31.56 | abrotman | oh my god |
| 01:32.00 | MuWu | Is it C or some sort of Python? |
| 01:32.16 | bbrazil | mentor: becasue he doesn't need openssl. see scrollback |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | some sort of python? .. yes .. 137 .. right ... |
| 01:32.20 | MuWu | Also would it be hard to learn C++? and also how long would it take? |
| 01:32.21 | mentor | MuWu: For Linux...well, it's mostly written in C and assembly, so... |
| 01:32.28 | Wyzard | MuWu: Depends on what you want to write... that's like asking what kind of car is best to buy |
| 01:32.37 | Delph | Wyzard: i write in pink code. |
| 01:32.41 | Delph | because it's faster. |
| 01:32.45 | alephone | i had exim-tls installed, so i would like to replace it with exim so mysql-server won't need to be uninstalled |
| 01:32.48 | MuWu | mentor, I just want to be able to read codes, and fix stuff...so I can compile without errors. |
| 01:32.52 | Wyzard | MuWu: Different languages are suited to different purposes |
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| 01:33.01 | Ferret | MuWu: The most useful computer language would be the one you know how to use. |
| 01:33.06 | Delph | ooh |
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| 01:33.08 | mentor | MuWu: erm...good? |
| 01:33.15 | MuWu | Wyzard, I learned BASIC for 6 months during grade school.. kinda waste of my life I guess. :) |
| 01:33.18 | Delph | old, but good. |
| 01:33.33 | Wyzard | MuWu: Most programs in Debian, and Unix/Linux in general, are written in C, so that'd be the one to learn if you want to debug those programs |
| 01:33.35 | MuWu | then I tried to learn pascal... |
| 01:33.54 | MuWu | Wyzard, I c.. any good HOWTO or book? |
| 01:34.03 | mentor | alephone: Why does mysql-server need to be removed? |
| 01:34.04 | MuWu | ah, I should have majored in computer science.. :( |
| 01:34.05 | Wyzard | MuWu: But there are other higher-level languages that are better suited to application programming |
| 01:34.14 | MuWu | wyzard, java? |
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| 01:34.17 | alephone | mentor: not sure |
| 01:34.17 | Ferret | Delph: Does your pink code compiler have the -fgo-faster-stripes option implemented? |
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| 01:34.35 | alephone | when i apt-get remove --purge openssl it says it is going to remove it |
| 01:34.41 | Delph | Ferret: shuush gentoo boy |
| 01:34.41 | Wyzard | MuWu: Java, C#, Python, Haskell, Scheme, ... |
| 01:34.42 | mentor | alephone: I suspect you're patching the symptom and not the problem. |
| 01:34.45 | MuWu | the reason why I am intersted in programming is so I can port linux programs to Zaurus-like computers. |
| 01:34.48 | newkid | it's crap. I'm smart enough to get sarge going. but not smart enough to easily figure out why devices like usb keys auto mount only as root. permissions set somewhere? |
| 01:34.53 | alephone | i guess it's because my MTA was exim-tls which depended on openssl |
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| 01:35.09 | caphuego | newkid: Are you in the plugdev group? |
| 01:35.24 | sparr_ | I rebooted with the kernel parameter "vga=ask", got the prompt. hit enter for a list of modes, got 6 modes. picked 80x60. worked fine til halfway through boot, then it reverted to 80x24. how can i make the mode stick? or how can i enable a framebuffer? |
| 01:35.26 | newkid | aha! I bet I'm not. |
| 01:35.27 | Wyzard | MuWu: I don't know of any specific books on C by name, but you can search Google, or take a course, or go to a bookstore and browse the tech section |
| 01:35.36 | mentor | alephone: Anyway...try pasting the errors in #flood again...slowly this time, so the server doesn't kick you. |
| 01:35.47 | MuWu | anyone using linux-based pda's here? |
| 01:35.48 | rixth | Ok, Apache has a debian related problem (lonki sends his regards) goto my site www.spectrumenterprises.org it tried to download my PHP index script, but if you go to www.spectrumenterprises.org/index.php all is well. How do I fix this? |
| 01:35.54 | mentor | MuWu: Yes. |
| 01:35.58 | MuWu | mentor, zaurus? |
| 01:36.01 | mentor | !tell MuWu about ask |
| 01:36.03 | mentor | MuWu: No. |
| 01:36.14 | furrywolf | rixth: add index.php to the list of index page names |
| 01:36.15 | Wyzard | MuWu: Porting apps to PDAs is sort of a tall order if you don't even know any programming languages yet |
| 01:36.16 | abrotman | rixth: no . works fine |
| 01:36.40 | MuWu | mentor, what do you use? |
| 01:36.43 | newkid | no I'm not. I didn't know that was the group that controlled that stuff. |
| 01:36.43 | furrywolf | n/m. read question wrong. |
| 01:36.47 | mentor | MuWu: iPaq |
| 01:37.01 | rixth | furrywolf, I have. abrotman, so if you go to www.spectrumenterprises.org its ok? |
| 01:37.10 | abrotman | rixth: yep .. perfectly fine |
| 01:37.11 | MuWu | mentor, oh original iPaq, so I presume you have been using Handheld.org stuff for a while. |
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| 01:37.36 | mentor | rixth: I got to www.spectrumenterprises.org and get a page... |
| 01:37.39 | Ferret | Fine here too, rixth. |
| 01:37.52 | abrotman | rixth: did you try shift-reload ? |
| 01:37.56 | rixth | Thats interesting, if I put 192.168.0.2 in the bar in works fine, but if I put localhost or 127.0.0.1 it does do it. |
| 01:38.02 | Hamled | is Cyrus good for IMAP? |
| 01:38.12 | ideafix | any one using new nvidia drivers ? |
| 01:38.18 | mentor | Hamled: Depends on your definition of good. |
| 01:38.30 | mentor | MuWu: ish... |
| 01:38.43 | alephone | mentor: fully pasted in #flood |
| 01:38.45 | Hamled | mentor, yeah, doesn't it always... do you have any recommendations for a better imap server? |
| 01:38.53 | ideafix | i tryed the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run driver and it sucked |
| 01:38.59 | mentor | Hamled: I'm using dovecot. |
| 01:39.02 | ideafix | are the new ones better ? |
| 01:39.06 | abrotman | Hamled: apt-cache search imap server |
| 01:39.06 | Hamled | mentor, I'll check that out |
| 01:39.09 | MuWu | mentor, I don't understand why Ipaq/Zaurus can run a lot of advanced programs... but my Pentium 90 can't... |
| 01:39.12 | abrotman | courier is good |
| 01:39.14 | Wyzard | !tell ideafix about nvidia |
| 01:39.16 | newkid | just a thought. If i'm the only user it wouldn't be too dangerous to add myself to the sudo group would it. would be so much easier to sudo for root command stuff. |
| 01:39.23 | Hamled | abrotman, yes, but it doesn't tell me anything about whether or not they're good :P |
| 01:39.24 | MuWu | I mean ARM 400 is less powerful than Pentium 90 |
| 01:39.26 | Hamled | abrotman, ah, ok |
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| 01:39.49 | abrotman | Hamled: they of course won't say they are good .. that's for you to decide |
| 01:40.00 | mentor | alephone: OK, the problem is in one of exim-config's scripts. You need to fix it, and if appropriate report a bug. look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim-config.{post,pre}{rm,inst} for --outpud-fd |
| 01:40.05 | ideafix | but im using suse |
| 01:40.08 | Wyzard | MuWu: The programs running on the Zaurus are probably a lot smaller and less demanding |
| 01:40.15 | Wyzard | ideafix: Then why are you asking in #debian? |
| 01:40.19 | Hamled | abrotman, well, yes, I ultimately need to decide, but I figured I could get a little hint from here |
| 01:40.27 | mentor | abrotman: I would object that for most definitions of good courier isn't. |
| 01:40.30 | ideafix | no one anserd at #nvidias |
| 01:40.31 | abrotman | Hamled: most use dovecot/courier/cyrus |
| 01:40.38 | Hamled | abrotman, k |
| 01:40.39 | Wyzard | ideafix: Try #suse perhaps? |
| 01:40.47 | ideafix | im baned there' |
| 01:40.57 | furrywolf | lol |
| 01:41.01 | Wyzard | ideafix: Well, that's your problem, not ours |
| 01:41.06 | furrywolf | unless you want to be banned here too, don't ask suse questions. :) |
| 01:41.51 | ideafix | did the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run driver sucked for you guys too ? |
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| 01:41.57 | Ferret | Also, questions of the nature 'is version XX of Y any good? I haven't tried it and it would take me about five minutes to do so, but I can't be bothered' are a bit annoying. |
| 01:42.11 | MuWu | furrywolf, abrotman = the great gatekeepers.. :D |
| 01:42.21 | Wyzard | ideafix: We wouldn't know, because we don't use it -- we use the Debian packages |
| 01:42.32 | abrotman | ideafix: wrong channel |
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| 01:42.51 | ideafix | arent they kinda the same has the nvidia is closed source and stufff... ? |
| 01:43.14 | Wyzard | ideafix: Yes, the software is the same, but the installation is different |
| 01:43.19 | rixth | !stuff |
| 01:43.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, stuff is the useless crap repository that needs adding to at http://tool.dhs.org/~chucker/stuff/ |
| 01:43.24 | Wyzard | ideafix: So if you're talking about installation problems, you're out of luck |
| 01:43.26 | rixth | Aw. |
| 01:43.40 | Wyzard | ideafix: If you're talking about X hanging frequently when using the 7xxx driver, turn off RenderAccel |
| 01:43.52 | ideafix | im just wondering if the new ones are actually better |
| 01:43.58 | MuWu | well, I haved both Nvidia and ATI, I actually find Nvidia drivers to be superior to ATI.. and based on some forums, it seems Nvidia fully supports xcomposite stuff on Xorg. |
| 01:44.05 | ideafix | did nvidia-instaler --udate and it instaled back NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run ... go figure ! |
| 01:44.25 | Wyzard | ideafix: Some people say the new driver is faster... I don't use 3D enough to have noticed |
| 01:44.33 | ideafix | o mean the 6*** version |
| 01:44.54 | sparr_ | How can I use framebuffer drivers compiled as modules? |
| 01:44.56 | furrywolf | nvidia's drivers do NOT play well if you have a dual-head setup on two cards, and your other card isn't also an nvidia. |
| 01:45.10 | ideafix | 6*** version worked alot faster for me then the 7167 |
| 01:45.11 | terr | Gnome terminals use a "system terminal font". I would like to change this but I cannot tell which is which in any of the system confguration tools. |
| 01:45.20 | MuWu | Wyzard, default Xorg radeon -> glxgears of 1700... ATI prop. drivers -> 2400 |
| 01:45.27 | ideafix | i hope the 7174 is fised |
| 01:45.30 | ideafix | fixed |
| 01:45.38 | abrotman | terr: turn on the menu bar |
| 01:45.50 | newkid | seeya in a bit |
| 01:45.58 | MuWu | In real world, Enemy Territory Fortress, 50 fps to 80 fps at 1024 with 32bit under ATI 9100 |
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| 01:46.25 | Wyzard | ideafix: I have a geforce2 and my 3D usage consists of occasional Quake3 and UT, so I'm not really all that concerned with incremental performance improvements or regressions |
| 01:46.46 | terr | abrotman: what menu bar are you refering to? |
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| 01:47.07 | abrotman | terr: in gnome-terminal |
| 01:47.18 | Rucas | Is there any preferred application launcher for enlightenment dr16 besides just using the debian menu? I'd like something similar to the launcher in DR17 but I've had bad luck with getting the eapp editor working under debian |
| 01:47.30 | Wyzard | I'm considering getting a geforce4, so I can put my geforce2 in my Gentoo box, (which *finally* has a working AGP slot), and try out xorg compositing |
| 01:47.36 | terr | abrotman: I have it on. It says "file Edit View Terminal Tabs Help" |
| 01:47.51 | caphuego | Wyzard: Don't bother. |
| 01:47.53 | abrotman | terr: edit -> current profile .. change the font in there |
| 01:47.59 | ideafix | i play armyops |
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| 01:48.13 | ideafix | its a litle bit demanding |
| 01:48.23 | Wyzard | caphuego: Why not? |
| 01:48.27 | terr | abrotman: that is where it says "use the system terminal font' I want to change the default. |
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| 01:48.37 | caphuego | Wyzard: compositing makes xorg fall over and do poo |
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| 01:48.56 | caphuego | it simultaneously makes glx not work |
| 01:48.58 | abrotman | terr: change the system font? |
| 01:49.13 | terr | abrotman: ya - I at lest want to know how to... |
| 01:49.18 | Wyzard | caphuego: Well, it was pretty sluggish on my laptop, but I blame that on the old S3 Savage it uses... I'd like to try it on something with decent acceleration |
| 01:49.20 | MuWu | caphuego, compositing is cool.. 3d desktop with shadows NOW.. and Longhorn won't come out for years... |
| 01:49.27 | abrotman | terr: sorry .. i thought you just wanted to change the font in gnome-terminal |
| 01:49.32 | MuWu | so basically we have the chance to make Linux the "prettiest" OS |
| 01:49.42 | caphuego | MuWu: No, 3D doesn't wotk if compositing is enabled. |
| 01:49.59 | Wyzard | caphuego: Not that I actually use GL on the Gentoo box... I don't really do much at all with it, except keep it up-to-date with packages |
| 01:50.00 | terr | abrotman: Well - I would - except none are acceptable. That system font is really nice just a bit too small to read. |
| 01:50.00 | MuWu | caphuego, compositing relies on Opengl right? |
| 01:50.01 | furrywolf | and why the heck would I want shadows on my desktop? |
| 01:50.02 | caphuego | MuWu: Besides, macOS X has been doing it for ages. |
| 01:50.08 | Wyzard | MuWu: No, it doesn't |
| 01:50.18 | furrywolf | simple = good. eyecandy = distracting waste. |
| 01:50.26 | abrotman | terr: view -> Zoom In |
| 01:50.43 | terr | abrotman: how do I do that? |
| 01:50.51 | abrotman | terr: should be in your View menu |
| 01:50.53 | caphuego | Wyzard: I ran it on my AMD64/nForce5700 for a few hours. it was NOT fast and crashed a lot. |
| 01:50.54 | MuWu | oh.. |
| 01:51.06 | MuWu | My next laptop will be an Ibook.. |
| 01:51.26 | terr | abrotman: I've never heard of a view menu. Where will I find it? |
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| 01:51.46 | caphuego | my next laptop IS an iBook <heh> |
| 01:51.54 | Wyzard | MuWu: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots |
| 01:52.19 | Wyzard | caphuego: You should take a look at that link too... that is decidedly not slow |
| 01:52.35 | StupidMop | how can i make libao work so that i can play mp3s from mpg123? |
| 01:52.44 | Wyzard | caphuego: (Granted, that's luminocity, not xcompmgr) |
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| 01:53.14 | MuWu | wyzard, I saw the videos.. really nice.. though I don't really see a point with swerving windows.. |
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| 01:53.21 | abrotman | terr: in your gnome-terminal |
| 01:53.23 | caphuego | Wyzard: Those the videoes? |
| 01:53.30 | newkid | Ok. So I have Sarge installed and nearly all the way tweaked like I like it. Niceness. |
| 01:53.39 | abrotman | terr: file . edit . view .... at least in mine |
| 01:53.41 | terr | Ho that. |
| 01:53.43 | MuWu | but opaque windows, and shadows would be nice... or even better, entirely 3d desktop. |
| 01:53.50 | Wyzard | MuWu: I don't either; I'm more interested in the infrastructure which allows it to work |
| 01:54.00 | caphuego | Wyzard: Yeh, but I didn't think the wobbly windows has been added to Xorg as of yet. |
| 01:54.02 | taeli | Hi, I'm having a little trouble with unloading a kernel module - I've tried modprobe -r i810_audio - but it tells me the module is still in use |
| 01:54.02 | zbowling | http://www.polystimulus.com/match.com/match.com_0004.jpeg |
| 01:54.10 | taeli | but I'm not playing any audio! |
| 01:54.10 | zbowling | http://www.polystimulus.com/match.com/ |
| 01:54.16 | MuWu | wyzard, can't understand why Longhorn will require Directx 9 cards to make it work.. |
| 01:54.26 | taeli | I'm using linux 2.4.27, and OSS for sound |
| 01:54.29 | terr | abrotman: the zoom is too big. I need about 10 bigger. |
| 01:54.42 | caphuego | MuWu: It's a deal MS has done with gfx card manufacturers to make poeple buy new hardware. |
| 01:54.48 | abrotman | terr: huh? |
| 01:54.50 | Wyzard | caphuego: No, that's an experimental window manager called Luminocity which they're using as a testbed for nifty features... I'm not even interested in the wobbly effect; I just like that it shows that compositing does perform quite well |
| 01:54.54 | taeli | can anyone tell me how to unload the module? |
| 01:54.55 | MuWu | caphuego, http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php |
| 01:55.00 | newkid | caphuego, that's lame |
| 01:55.06 | caphuego | MuWu: Can;'t have people using a geforce2 if you can MAKE them upgrade to something newer. |
| 01:55.09 | StupidMop | how can i make libao work so that i can play mp3s from mpg123? |
| 01:55.23 | caphuego | newkid: The truth always sucks |
| 01:55.24 | MuWu | caphuego, though I heard that to really do 3d desktop, video cards should be modified to be multitasking.. |
| 01:55.27 | newkid | lol |
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| 01:55.34 | Wyzard | MuWu: OpenGL is an *option* for compositing... basically, the compositing manager has a bunch of pictures of windows, and it can use whatever means it wants to draw them on the screen |
| 01:55.36 | newkid | always cap? |
| 01:55.37 | abrotman | zbowling: what are you showing us? |
| 01:55.47 | terr | dnome terminal makes it about 50% to 100% bigger. Its a big jump. |
| 01:55.53 | zbowling | abrotman: my new job |
| 01:55.57 | zbowling | :-) |
| 01:56.02 | abrotman | zbowling: get me one@! |
| 01:56.08 | zbowling | hehe |
| 01:56.09 | Wyzard | MuWu: xcompmgr doesn't use GL, but someone could certainly write a different compositing manager that does, and that allows you to do things like have a window crumple up and fly into the trashcan when you click the Close button, etc. |
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| 01:56.17 | terr | abrotman: I am surprised this is not shown in the font configuration tool. |
| 01:56.39 | MuWu | heh, but you really don't/can't afford 3d desktop..because you are running CLI...right? :) |
| 01:57.00 | caphuego | MuWu: I never claimed to be running CLI. |
| 01:57.09 | abrotman | terr: dunno |
| 01:57.39 | zbowling | abrotman: i'm rewiritng python/postgres to mono/.net and sqllite/mssql for match.com international |
| 01:57.48 | jharrison | !guinness abrotman |
| 01:57.56 | jharrison | !beer abrotman |
| 01:58.02 | jharrison | ppffttt |
| 01:58.08 | newkid | I'm already going to upgrade ram from 256mb to oh, I don't know 512 at least. I don't want to HAVE to get a new video card just to make the desktop 3d... |
| 01:58.25 | caphuego | newkid: Nobody is forcing you to make the desktop 3d. |
| 01:58.25 | MuWu | newkid, you should get RAM while it's so cheap now... |
| 01:58.37 | Saskwach | I'm having a problem with pcmcia in 2.4.18-586tsc (woody). The internet says that the solution to my problem is to put isapnp in my /etc/modules but I don't have that module. What should I do? |
| 01:58.38 | newkid | right. |
| 01:58.41 | zbowling | double blind email system :-) |
| 01:58.41 | abrotman | zbowling: ewww |
| 01:58.46 | zinx | newkid: 3d desktops suck |
| 01:58.47 | MuWu | it's amazing... a few years ago Xserver was crap..but now...it's stable and fast. |
| 01:58.47 | jharrison | abrotman: I tried |
| 01:58.57 | abrotman | jharrison: yuengling is fine :) |
| 01:58.59 | MuWu | jharrison, didn't like it? |
| 01:59.03 | abrotman | zbowling: will it scale well enough? |
| 01:59.15 | jharrison | abrotman: cheers |
| 01:59.19 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:59.24 | alephone | i'm in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 01:59.28 | zbowling | abortman: they are using python right now and its killing them |
| 01:59.37 | abrotman | zbowling: zope? |
| 01:59.41 | jharrison | zbowling: whats wrong with python |
| 01:59.45 | caphuego | abortman, haha |
| 01:59.46 | alephone | and im running ls | grep exim | xargs cat | xargs grep -i --output-fd |
| 01:59.50 | alephone | but this doesn't work |
| 01:59.51 | Saskwach | python kicks the butt |
| 01:59.53 | MuWu | here is what I don't get... computer is keep getting fast and faster..but I am not noticing much of speed increase... |
| 01:59.53 | abrotman | what did i do? |
| 01:59.57 | FieldySnuts | postmaaaann! |
| 01:59.59 | MuWu | everything is getting bloated.. |
| 02:00.00 | alephone | how can i search for the string --output-fd in these files |
| 02:00.02 | Jappis | 3d desktop? someone got a screenshot from it? |
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| 02:00.05 | zbowling | abortman the want it .net because match.com (USA) uses .NET, and they want to start equalizing things.. |
| 02:00.07 | caphuego | abrotman: funny typo in your nick |
| 02:00.18 | abrotman | caphuego: happens enough i highlight on it :) |
| 02:00.22 | FieldySnuts | ~lart .NET |
| 02:00.23 | MuWu | FWM95 -> icewin -> KDE -Gnome :D |
| 02:00.29 | abrotman | zbowling: are they using zope now? |
| 02:00.32 | zbowling | abrotman: python is kill them on speed, I'm on the mono team so i'm moving it to mono |
| 02:00.39 | zbowling | abrotman: nope ;-) |
| 02:00.41 | Saskwach | I'm having a problem with pcmcia in 2.4.18-586tsc (woody). The internet says that the solution to my problem is to put isapnp in my /etc/modules but I don't have that module. What should I do? |
| 02:00.44 | abrotman | zbowling: wow .. |
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| 02:01.11 | abrotman | zbowling: does it scale well enough? |
| 02:01.13 | Saskwach | Also, isapnp isn't in any packages that I know of. |
| 02:01.16 | bryce__ | alrighty... I losing my freaking mind. After a reboot, X breaks. Then I either apt-get install or remove xfree86-driver-synaptics, and it works |
| 02:01.19 | abrotman | zbowling: wait .. mono with a MSSQL backend ? |
| 02:01.23 | zbowling | abrotman: its the email back end of the double blind meail system |
| 02:01.25 | bbrazil | abrotman: eek. grep -ie --outputfd *exim* |
| 02:01.29 | micro01_ | kkkk |
| 02:01.43 | micro01_ | hi |
| 02:01.50 | zbowling | abrotman: mono with both mssql and sqllite.. ms.net with mssql |
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| 02:02.04 | abrotman | zbowling: that sounds dirty .. why not just one DB? |
| 02:02.20 | MuWu | Is anyone really excited about new multicore processors? |
| 02:02.22 | a_monkey | how do i install "unrar"? |
| 02:02.24 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 02:02.25 | zbowling | abrotman: we have tables that sync from country to country and we have tables that run local to the system |
| 02:02.29 | abrotman | MuWu: #hardware |
| 02:02.33 | Saskwach | MuWu totally |
| 02:02.37 | a_monkey | there doesn't seem to be an unrar package available |
| 02:02.46 | MuWu | a_monkey, apt-get install rar unrar |
| 02:02.49 | FieldySnuts | non free? |
| 02:02.56 | bryce__ | If I installed it last go round, I uninstall it the current go-round. works installed or removed as long as I do one of them after rebooting |
| 02:02.58 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 02:02.58 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
| 02:03.22 | Saskwach | rar is so terrible. why do people use it? |
| 02:03.36 | MuWu | a_monkey, you can actually run winrar under wine... just grab from your Windows partition... |
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| 02:04.01 | MuWu | saskwach, because you can do something really cool like reconstruction/stripping for damaged files.. |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | Saskwach: porn and warez |
| 02:04.13 | MuWu | it's used a lot for Usenet files... |
| 02:04.27 | abrotman | right .. what i just said |
| 02:04.56 | Wyzard | RAR compresses better than ZIP... I'd use it for anything |
| 02:05.05 | kaplanfx | is there any debian package that can play .flv files? |
| 02:05.07 | abrotman | lots of things are better than zip :) |
| 02:05.18 | FieldySnuts | hell zip is up there with bzip2 |
| 02:05.19 | Wyzard | In many cases it's better than bzip2, too |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | go .7z!!! |
| 02:05.37 | FieldySnuts | i haven't seen it do better tho. even then i wouldn't much care |
| 02:05.38 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:05.45 | a_monkey | unrar-nonfree doesn't seem to be a package either |
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| 02:05.55 | kaplanfx | abrotman: I prefer a bziped gziped zipped tarball :) |
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| 02:06.05 | kaplanfx | makes em really small, muhahaha |
| 02:06.05 | MuWu | a_moneky, if you have wine installed, you can just use winrar.exe |
| 02:06.09 | sparr_ | How can I use framebuffer drivers compiled as modules? |
| 02:06.15 | Wyzard | btw, rzip is best for things like isos |
| 02:06.35 | a_monkey | MuWu: i don't want to install wine just for unrar |
| 02:07.18 | MuWu | I kinda need wine for a few programs with no good subs in Linux... (like brainwave generator) :) |
| 02:07.54 | billyoc | Plus, without wine installed, why would you be unrar'ing warez? |
| 02:07.55 | billyoc | :) |
| 02:08.03 | FieldySnuts | hrh |
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| 02:08.05 | a_monkey | is there any other way to un-rar files other than unrar? |
| 02:08.15 | abrotman | a_monkey: ask a friend ? |
| 02:08.18 | MuWu | billyoc, good point.. seriously, rar = warez |
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| 02:08.30 | MuWu | but seriously, no more warez for me since switching to Linux.. |
| 02:08.40 | MuWu | Only thing I will miss is some games.. |
| 02:09.00 | sparr_ | what is the point of debian kernel-images including framebuffer modules if you cant use them without compiling them into the kernel?? |
| 02:09.03 | sparr_ | seems like a waste of space |
| 02:09.18 | abrotman | why is anyone still using framebuffer? |
| 02:09.29 | Wyzard | abrotman: Why wouldn't they be? |
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| 02:09.35 | FieldySnuts | they like really slow consoles? |
| 02:09.37 | MuWu | abrotman, hmm like links2 -g? |
| 02:09.55 | MuWu | or mplayer -vo vesa:vidix |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: why would you? |
| 02:10.05 | C17H21NO4 | fbxine! |
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| 02:10.24 | sparr_ | abrotman: its one of 3 or 4 possible solutions to a problem i have. so far i havent been able to accomplish any of them though, so im open |
| 02:10.24 | caphuego | Wyzard: 3ddesk looks neat |
| 02:10.36 | terr | abrotman: knsol is no help either. Under its default config it says "Linux fonts" and lord knows waht that is. |
| 02:10.40 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm usually in X, but when I do switch to a console, it's nice to have a 160x64 one (thanks to 1280x1025 fbcon) rather than an 80x25 one |
| 02:10.48 | MuWu | caphuego, just installed 3ddesk, but don't now how to use it yet.. ;( |
| 02:10.48 | Overand | amen sister |
| 02:10.51 | Wyzard | s/1025/1024/ |
| 02:10.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm on a laptop with a 15" screen .. normal console works just fine :) |
| 02:11.07 | caphuego | MuWu: Run 3ddeskd --aquire; then run 3ddesk |
| 02:11.23 | Overand | abrotman: i use a laptop with a 15" screen, and fbconsole @ 1024x768 is MUCH better than the 80x25 textmode |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | oh .. and i have crappy vision? |
| 02:11.35 | Wyzard | abrotman: Even more important on a laptop, because LCD hardware scaling looks really ugly... a framebuffer lets you use the screen's native resolution |
| 02:11.39 | Overand | in fact, i'd argue that fbconsole is *more* important on LCD displays, because it's pixel accuratge |
| 02:11.42 | Overand | yeah |
| 02:11.45 | Overand | one again Wyzard and i are on the smae page |
| 02:11.51 | Overand | brb |
| 02:11.54 | abrotman | i have hard time reading small fonts .. so .. |
| 02:11.59 | Temp[Away] | well, im THIS close to getting KDE desktop to run (startx). I can't get my mouse to work. It's a generic serial mouse, not sure the port. But it will not move (and the mosue works, it was working in redhat and windows 98 just days ago) |
| 02:12.00 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:12.07 | dieguito | btw, anyone knows if a thinkpad r50e can get a resolution upper than 1024 x 768 in X? (looks like some weird hardware "imitation"<-guess this LCD can do much more) |
| 02:12.11 | Wyzard | abrotman: I do 1600x1200 on a 17" monitor... I'm used to it :-) |
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| 02:12.22 | MuWu | caphuego, thanks. |
| 02:12.24 | abrotman | Wyzard: freak :) |
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| 02:12.53 | sparr_ | abrotman: i want to run SDL applications with aalib with a small font (lots of chars on the screen). i have to figure out how to do that. either i have to get the sdl aalib to honor AAFONT or AAOPTS -font, or I have to get X to let me re-font-ize the window that aalib creates, or I have to get an xterm that is better than 1/100th the speed of the aalib console, or I have to get a vga virtual |
| 02:12.53 | sparr_ | terminal of suitable resolution and font size. I could live with any of those methods, but I cant accomplish any of them. |
| 02:13.12 | abrotman | sparr_: uhm .. ok .. |
| 02:13.22 | MuWu | wow.. 3ddesk is cool... |
| 02:13.25 | liable | dieguito: edit you XF86Config and add the native res |
| 02:13.40 | sparr_ | abrotman: now, if anyone had any ideas on any of those then id take it. right now framebuffer seems like the most likely solution. |
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| 02:13.52 | sparr_ | abrotman: but i cant get fb to work either, without a kernel recompile, so im still at a dead end |
| 02:13.56 | abrotman | sparr_: Berlin!! |
| 02:14.01 | abrotman | err .. i guess it's Fresco now |
| 02:14.08 | abrotman | but that's nto a solution |
| 02:14.14 | Tempus2 | I'm SOO close to getting KDE desktop to run (startx). I can't get my mouse to work. It's a generic serial mouse, not sure the port. But it will not move (and the mosue works, it was working in redhat and windows 98 just days ago). Anyone? |
| 02:14.39 | MuWu | Tempus2, did you pick correct mouse port? |
| 02:14.56 | dieguito | liable, that doesnt seem to work ... i tried it a while ago |
| 02:14.58 | sparr_ | abrotman: to overcome the simplest quandry here... why do debian kernels include framebuffer modules when they wont work without being compiled in? |
| 02:14.58 | Tempus2 | im reasonably sure ive been through them all |
| 02:15.06 | dca | hi all, i had to recover a hdd and am getting a "Block device required" when i try to mount the .dat file i wrote the dead disk data to |
| 02:15.06 | Saskwach | Tempus2: guess and cat it |
| 02:15.06 | Wyzard | Tempus2: Serial ports are /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, etc. |
| 02:15.11 | abrotman | sparr_: ask the mailing list ? |
| 02:15.17 | alephone | I'm having this problem install exim4: Setting up exim4-config (4.50-4) ... |
| 02:15.17 | alephone | --output-fd: unknown option |
| 02:15.17 | dca | using this comand /data/recover.dat /mnt/ |
| 02:15.20 | dca | is that wrong? |
| 02:15.24 | Wyzard | dca: mount -o loop |
| 02:15.35 | alephone | i searched all the scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info and none of them contain that line |
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| 02:15.51 | alephone | where can i find this --output-fd option? |
| 02:15.55 | Tempus2 | should i be selecting auto? |
| 02:15.56 | MuWu | there was this console mouse driver..forgot the name.. something like gdm (i know it's not gdm).. maybe Tempus can use it test mouse under console |
| 02:16.00 | dca | Wyzard: don't in need to specify the location of the .dat file? |
| 02:16.05 | abrotman | gpm |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | err gpm |
| 02:16.09 | abrotman | err gmp |
| 02:16.11 | abrotman | wait |
| 02:16.12 | mike | whats a good program to convert *.xm or *.xi to MP3 or OGG? |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | !gpm |
| 02:16.14 | dpkg | i guess gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 02:16.33 | Wyzard | dca: You still need to specify the filesystem and the mountpoint |
| 02:16.33 | streuner | !tell abrotman about enter |
| 02:16.33 | Jappis | Someone knows why do i get this print on my terminal approx every 5sec? "Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:0c:76:8d:9f:67:00:90:1a:10:09:ee:08:00".. etc" |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | streuner: i'm almost there! |
| 02:16.48 | Wyzard | dca: You can only mount block devices, but the "loop" option will set up a loopback device for you, which is a block-device interface to an ordinary file |
| 02:16.49 | streuner | Tempus2: ImPS/2 |
| 02:16.56 | MuWu | wow.. abrotman.. good solution.. I remember using that one for my Pentium 90 once.. |
| 02:17.00 | Tempus2 | for a Serial mouse, streuner? |
| 02:17.09 | streuner | Tempus2: yes |
| 02:17.15 | dca | Wyzard: so mount -o loop /data/recover.dat /mnt/ |
| 02:17.15 | Tempus2 | k thanks, maybe that's the problem |
| 02:17.24 | abrotman | streuner: but you haven't bugged me about it in a long time |
| 02:17.27 | MuWu | iMPS/2 -> MS mouse with scroller with PS2 port |
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| 02:17.49 | streuner | abrotman: you are busy when germans sleep ;-) |
| 02:18.03 | Tempus2 | MuWu, mine's just an old "Artec" Serial Mouse |
| 02:18.05 | MuWu | abrotman = deutchman? |
| 02:18.08 | abrotman | streuner: don't blame me for the inadequacies of germans :) |
| 02:18.22 | MuWu | Tempus, do youh ave a ps2 port? |
| 02:18.34 | caphuego | MuWu: wtf is 'deutchman'? |
| 02:18.36 | Tempus2 | MuWu, nope. This is an old machine. |
| 02:18.41 | dca | Wyzard: mount -o loop /data/recover.dat /mnt/ |
| 02:18.41 | dca | mount: -o loop: option not supported |
| 02:18.46 | sparr_ | how can i use framebuffer driver *MODULES*? everything ive found says they have to be compiled in to work. |
| 02:18.50 | MuWu | caphuego, my pig-german which means German Man. |
| 02:18.50 | peterS | Tempus2: oh fun. serial mice can be really fiddly to get the parameters right |
| 02:18.51 | mike | how can i convert *.xm to MP3 or OGG? |
| 02:19.08 | MuWu | Tempus2, are you using Xorg or Xserver? |
| 02:19.08 | caphuego | MuWu: Deutsche |
| 02:19.14 | Wyzard | dca: The loopback device is actually provided by a kernel module called "loop"... maybe you don't have that module? |
| 02:19.25 | dca | entirely possible |
| 02:19.31 | Tempus2 | MuWu, Xserver |
| 02:19.32 | liable | Jappis: /msg dpkg syslog console |
| 02:19.32 | Wyzard | dca: Try "modprobe loop" |
| 02:19.39 | MuWu | oh.. I only took German for two weeks.. gave up after learning that there are like four gender classes for every noun. |
| 02:19.45 | Overand | mike: you'll want to render with a proper XM player |
| 02:19.48 | peterS | MuWu: 3, but you were close |
| 02:19.50 | abrotman | so much for that 137 IQ |
| 02:19.57 | MuWu | Tempus, then try xf86cfg |
| 02:20.01 | mike | Overand: like which one? |
| 02:20.04 | caphuego | MuWu: That's still no reason to get germans and the dutch confused. |
| 02:20.05 | peterS | wait, maybe you were talking about cases |
| 02:20.12 | caphuego | We don't take kindly to that kind of thing. |
| 02:20.15 | Overand | mike: .xm is *not* a standard audio file. It's audio sequence data + samples |
| 02:20.16 | Wyzard | MuWu: Nouns have genders, but that's different from the cases (nominative, accusative, genitive, and I forget the fourth one) |
| 02:20.24 | MuWu | then change your mouse settings on the fly... you can use your numpad as mouse in case you screw up. |
| 02:20.27 | peterS | Wyzard: dative |
| 02:20.31 | Wyzard | MuWu: Many languages have genders though... and most have cases too |
| 02:20.32 | Overand | mike: i would reccomend you download the old dos app "Fast Tracker 2" and run it with dosemu, dosbox, or bochs |
| 02:20.36 | Wyzard | peterS: thanks |
| 02:20.45 | mike | Overand: i know.. i want to render them so i can play them on my audio player |
| 02:20.49 | Tempus2 | MuWu, ive been running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:20.49 | MuWu | seriously, what's the point of having genders and also subject-verb agreement? |
| 02:20.49 | Overand | mike: using the *real* XM editor, Fast Tracker 2, is really your best bet |
| 02:21.00 | Overand | mike: so download FT2 + a dos emulator/whatever |
| 02:21.02 | peterS | Wyzard: specifically German has 4 cases. other languages have more or fewer. I've heard Greek has like 9 |
| 02:21.09 | mike | Overand: ok, thanks |
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| 02:21.27 | Wyzard | MuWu: Dunno, but there are far more languages than German which have genders for nouns... French and Spanish do too, for example |
| 02:21.36 | MuWu | seriously, there is no need for a thing to have gender... |
| 02:21.39 | Phated | The point of having genders, quite clearly, is for females to drop tantalising hints at men on IRC. |
| 02:21.47 | Overand | mike: http://dosbox.sourceforge.net for an acceptable emulator to run FT2, and google.com for FT2 itselfg |
| 02:21.51 | Phated | Observe: * Phated rolls her eyes. |
| 02:21.56 | MuWu | Well, Spanish case is midly useful because you get to drop pronouns.. |
| 02:22.02 | mike | Overand: ok, thanks |
| 02:22.06 | abrotman | MuWu: uhm .. afaik .. english is the only one that doesn't really |
| 02:22.15 | peterS | OMG PHATED IS A etc. |
| 02:22.20 | Phated | Thank you, peterS. |
| 02:22.24 | Phated | *hughug* |
| 02:22.24 | MuWu | All East Asian languages have no gender.... |
| 02:22.34 | abrotman | Phated: you have no gender? |
| 02:22.39 | MuWu | BTW, I am Asian.. and English is my third languaeg..but English is pretty hard for me.. |
| 02:22.41 | Phated | Wht do you mean by no gender, anyway? |
| 02:22.42 | caphuego | abrotman: English still has 'he' and 'it'. |
| 02:22.49 | Phated | And she! |
| 02:22.51 | Phated | She! |
| 02:23.00 | abrotman | caphuego: i think he means like el caballo etc |
| 02:23.01 | peterS | bah, there are no shes on irc |
| 02:23.02 | Phated | abrotman: Oh how I wish. |
| 02:23.05 | Phated | peterS: :P |
| 02:23.09 | MuWu | I mean... what's the point of having all these damn articles "the" "a" "an" and 32 general rules on correctly using them.. |
| 02:23.14 | alephone | can someone help me with installing exim? |
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| 02:23.17 | abrotman | as in the horse is masculine |
| 02:23.20 | caphuego | Phated: Specifically gendered words. Like say 'child' in dutch is neuter. |
| 02:23.23 | sparr_ | this is horrible. normally i can gloss over linux/windows differences and quirks... but im trying to do something ive been able to do in MSDOS for 15 years using a single command and no configuration, and its taking *HOURS* of research and trial/error/rebooting in linux just to come to the realization that its gonna be easier to just give up. wtf. |
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| 02:23.26 | MuWu | My English is college level, but damn, I always mess up my articles.. |
| 02:23.39 | Overand | mike: also, #trax on irc.efnet.net for XM-related stuff. that's were us trackers who wrote those XMs hang out these days |
| 02:23.44 | Phated | caphuego: Eh... male or female? |
| 02:23.50 | caphuego | Phated: neither |
| 02:23.57 | MuWu | caphuego, I know a story of someone only use diminuative.. bec. he can't remember all the rules. |
| 02:24.00 | Phated | Oh, I see. |
| 02:24.17 | Tempus2 | MuWu, ive been running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:24.24 | caphuego | Phated: But say 'flowerpot' is gendered. |
| 02:24.30 | Phated | Eh? |
| 02:24.37 | Phated | How is an inanimate object gendered? |
| 02:24.40 | MuWu | Tempus, you would want to use the graphica xf86cfg... because it lets you change mouse settings on the fly.. |
| 02:24.47 | caphuego | Phated: It's been simplified to the point where the gender doesn't matter, there is only a distinction beween a or no gender. |
| 02:24.49 | MuWu | Phated, exactly.. |
| 02:24.49 | streuner | Tempus2: ok, just try mdetect |
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| 02:24.53 | Wyzard | Phated: Pretty much arbitrarily :-) |
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| 02:24.59 | Phated | caphuego: Ah. |
| 02:25.04 | peterS | Phated: right, with german, dutch or latin, nouns can have 3 genders. masculine, feminine, neuter. in many cases the gender has nothing to do with sex - as with inanimate objects |
| 02:25.06 | Tempus2 | mdetect: command not found |
| 02:25.14 | streuner | install it then? |
| 02:25.14 | Tempus2 | MuWu, xf86cfg doesnt have any screens. |
| 02:25.15 | caphuego | Phated: It's designed to be optimally irritating to foreigners. |
| 02:25.22 | MuWu | another gripe about English language.. spelling =! pronunciation.. |
| 02:25.22 | Phated | peterS: OK... |
| 02:25.26 | caphuego | You shouldn't be using xf86cfg. |
| 02:25.28 | Phated | caphuego: Aye. |
| 02:25.29 | caphuego | !xcfg |
| 02:25.29 | dpkg | it has been said that xcfg is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:25.35 | Wyzard | Phated: Actually,it was pointed out to me a few weeks ago by a German exchange student that several words which refer to women (though I don't remember now which ones) are gendered *neutral*, not feminine |
| 02:25.39 | peterS | caphuego: oh, *that* was the point |
| 02:25.41 | MuWu | try.. xf86setup |
| 02:25.41 | bryce__ | okay, so awhile ago I was complaining about synaptics. I think what was happening was that when I (as root) installed the synaptics driver, it changed my permissions on /dev/psaux |
| 02:25.46 | caphuego | MuWu: NO. |
| 02:25.51 | caphuego | 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 02:25.51 | MuWu | I forgot the correct name.. but I think someone nkows. |
| 02:25.53 | caphuego | ffs |
| 02:25.54 | peterS | Wyzard: right, like mädchen |
| 02:25.55 | bryce__ | so how do I permanently change the permissions of /dev/psaux |
| 02:26.01 | peterS | Wyzard: 'maiden' |
| 02:26.12 | Tempus2 | ive been using that caphuego |
| 02:26.13 | caphuego | peterS: your utf-8 is making my terminal bleed |
| 02:26.17 | Phated | As far as spelling != pronounciation, I hardly see why someone who speaks Asian languages would complain. Plenty of them are symbolic. |
| 02:26.19 | Wyzard | peterS: That's the one I was trying to think of... "fraulein" was wat came to mind, though, and I checked that and it's feminine |
| 02:26.28 | Overand | t'aint unicode |
| 02:26.29 | caphuego | Tempus2: Then you haven't used it properly. |
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| 02:26.37 | MuWu | Phated, Korean is probably the easiest written language.. |
| 02:26.42 | Phated | Definitely not utf, it appears correctly here. |
| 02:26.44 | peterS | caphuego: it wasn't utf-8 ("mädchen" is) so maybe it was something else making it bleed |
| 02:26.46 | Tempus2 | caphuego: ive tried every mouse combination under the sun, it doesnt configure right. |
| 02:26.47 | MuWu | two weeks learning 24 symbols.. |
| 02:26.49 | Phated | MuWu: Mandarin isn't. |
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| 02:27.08 | caphuego | Tempus2: Google and vim are you friend, then. |
| 02:27.29 | MuWu | Mandarin, yeah, you need like 2000 characters to pass as literate.. and a few thousand more for college level.. need about 800 to sort of understand newspaper. |
| 02:27.37 | caphuego | fraülein? |
| 02:27.37 | streuner | Tempus2: i had the same problem, mdetect found it... |
| 02:27.43 | Phated | caphuego: *stabstab* |
| 02:27.46 | dca | damn damn, won't mount, getting "unknown special file or file system" |
| 02:27.50 | streuner | Tempus2: s/found/solved/ |
| 02:27.50 | peterS | Tempus2: you *might* try to install and configure gpm. if you can get that to work, you can chain X off of that easily enough |
| 02:27.51 | Tempus2 | streuner: where do i get mdetect? |
| 02:27.55 | caphuego | Phated: DAS mädchen |
| 02:27.56 | Overand | god quit it with the unicode please |
| 02:27.59 | peterS | Tempus2: mdetect is a debian package |
| 02:28.04 | streuner | Tempus2: apt-get install mdetect? |
| 02:28.04 | Phated | caphuego: Aaaaggh stop stop. |
| 02:28.06 | Overand | IRC IS NO PLACE FOR UNICODE |
| 02:28.07 | Overand | =] |
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| 02:28.10 | Tempus2 | okay thanks, will try that |
| 02:28.11 | Wyzard | bah, sure it is |
| 02:28.17 | Wyzard | xchat shows it fine :-P |
| 02:28.20 | caphuego | but with one less 's' |
| 02:28.40 | Phated | caphuego: "or not having"? |
| 02:28.41 | alephone | haha, finally got openssl uninstalled :) |
| 02:28.48 | MuWu | I guess one positive thing about Chinese is that what you write today will probably understood fully three thousand years from today.. |
| 02:28.58 | peterS | MuWu: heh |
| 02:29.01 | MuWu | Try reading Chauser or even Shakespear.. yucks.. |
| 02:29.11 | Phated | MuWu: Er... Not really, no. |
| 02:29.13 | peterS | MuWu: do you suppose 3000 years from now people will be using traditional or simplified glyphs? |
| 02:29.16 | dondelelcaro | Overand: üñÃçødè is great. |
| 02:29.22 | Overand | bastard |
| 02:29.31 | Overand | don't make me copy that into a unicode-compliant dohickey |
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| 02:29.32 | MuWu | peterS, I think they will go back to traditional.. simplified is a big mess. |
| 02:29.46 | Phated | peterS: Hah. Bleeding contrary Mandarin. Probably go back to traditional. I'll be glad I'm dead. |
| 02:29.48 | MuWu | it's actually harder to learn in the long term. |
| 02:29.56 | billyoc | MuWu: btw, i think Korean is the only written language that was specifically designed from scratch by scientists/academicians. |
| 02:30.01 | guorke | hi |
| 02:30.10 | Overand | billyoc: klingon? |
| 02:30.10 | peterS | Overand: he said "üñíçødè" fyi |
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| 02:30.12 | Overand | billyoc: loglang? |
| 02:30.19 | stew | billyoc: what about lojban or esperanto |
| 02:30.19 | Overand | aka lojban |
| 02:30.23 | MuWu | billyoc, yes.. it's purely artificial language in a sense that bunch of people got together and just came up with a writing system.. |
| 02:30.32 | billyoc | yeah |
| 02:30.36 | billyoc | lol, klingon |
| 02:30.37 | stew | Overand: lojlan is opensource logjan basically |
| 02:30.44 | MuWu | it's actually used by Unicef on one occasion to give written system to some African tribe |
| 02:30.52 | stew | err lojban rather |
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| 02:31.07 | sparr_ | I want to use the program 'resizecons'. apt-file tells me its part of the package 'kbd', but kbd requires me to remove base-config and console-tools. wtf? |
| 02:31.13 | Overand | thanks for clarifying, stew |
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| 02:31.21 | MuWu | btw, Korean grammar and Japanese grammar is 99.5% same... basically words with different pronunciation.. |
| 02:31.35 | MuWu | Wizard, link? |
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| 02:31.46 | Wyzard | MuWu: no idea anymore, sorry |
| 02:31.49 | alephone | does anyone know what this --output-fd option is? |
| 02:31.55 | Overand | google insane asylum klingon interpreter |
| 02:32.01 | pipeline | Korean and Japanese have similar grammars. The languages themselves are totally diffirent. |
| 02:32.02 | Overand | alephone: as an option to *what* ? |
| 02:32.12 | stew | Overand: the author of lojlan was trying to put restrictions on the language so the users just said, FU, and created lojban by coming up with their own roots and fixing some grammar stufff |
| 02:32.16 | peterS | alephone: sounds like a way to specify a file descriptor to output something |
| 02:32.19 | alephone | Overand: i see it when i apt-get install/remove certain packages |
| 02:32.24 | MuWu | interstingly, Chinese grammar is almost like English..but much simplified... you can learn to communicate in Chinese in about a month.. and learn grammar in two months... but it's those damn characters and thousand-year old expressions that are pain. |
| 02:32.45 | alephone | like right now i apt-get remove openssl and i see it here: Removing libapache-mod-ssl ... |
| 02:32.45 | alephone | --output-fd: unknown option |
| 02:32.45 | alephone | debconf: whiptail output to the above errors, giving up! |
| 02:32.45 | Overand | the klingon thing *was* on abnews.go.com but it's expired |
| 02:32.46 | billyoc | MuWu, Wyzard: http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/klingon.asp |
| 02:32.47 | Wyzard | alephone: An option like that is usually provided as a convenience so that the program can be run as a backend to another program |
| 02:32.53 | peterS | Phated: do you read/write traditional or simplified glyphs, then? |
| 02:32.58 | Overand | lemme see if archive.org has it |
| 02:33.09 | Phated | peterS: I avoid both heartily. |
| 02:33.13 | peterS | ahh |
| 02:33.18 | Overand | KLINGON INSANE ASYLUM INTERPRETER: http://web.archive.org/web/20030515045606/http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20030512_392.html |
| 02:33.25 | Phated | peterS: The expression "kicking and screaming" comes to mind. |
| 02:33.30 | peterS | heh |
| 02:33.35 | MuWu | btw, the ruling class of japan actually came from Baekje, the kingdom that lost the war in three kingdoms, ancient Korea 1400 yr.s. ago. |
| 02:33.40 | MuWu | Overand, thanks. |
| 02:34.05 | Phated | The expressiong "kicking and screaming" is one of many reasons why I prefer English to Mandarin. You simply don't have expressions like that in there. |
| 02:34.08 | MuWu | Japanese ancestry = Korean + Malay + very little bit of Ainu's.. |
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| 02:35.00 | Phated | s/g// |
| 02:35.02 | MuWu | Phated, why I think Chinese is funny.. Bundan,, hundan, and other "egg" expressions. |
| 02:35.12 | peterS | Phated: really? not a lot of metaphors or idioms? |
| 02:35.36 | Phated | MuWu: I'll thank you not to consider my language funny. |
| 02:35.42 | MuWu | peterS, I would say Chinese is basically metaphorical language.. four characters would have a lot of meaning... including a history of its origin.. |
| 02:35.48 | Phated | peterS: Plenty, but... Just not as evocative, so to speak. |
| 02:35.49 | MuWu | Phated, you are Chinese? |
| 02:35.50 | Wyzard | Phated: I heard in a psychology class (studying the effect of language on learning) that Chinese doesn't have a "counterfactual" language construct... it can't say "if A were true, then B" with the implication that A is not true |
| 02:36.16 | Phated | Wyzard: Not getting you, but it sounds likely. |
| 02:36.23 | Phated | MuWu: Yes. |
| 02:36.26 | peterS | Wyzard: no subjunctive! how can you live without the subjunctive? |
| 02:36.34 | MuWu | Phated, how is Chinese support in Debian? |
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| 02:36.58 | MuWu | peters, Chinese grammar is extremely simplified... |
| 02:37.08 | Phated | MuWu: And why do I give a fuck about it? If you haven't been following, I avoid using Chinese. I can speak it fluently, but not read or write. |
| 02:37.10 | Jerub | is it normal for fsck to segfault while fixing errors? |
| 02:37.16 | MuWu | instead of changing tenses and stuff, you kinda modify word-order OR just add word sufficies. |
| 02:37.22 | Phated | peterS: What, pray tell, is a subjunctive? |
| 02:37.33 | Wyzard | Phated: I asked a Chinese friend and he said the closest he could express is "If A, then B" followed by "A is not true" as a separate statement, rather than an implied one |
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| 02:37.48 | peterS | Phated: what Wyzard said. "if A were true, then B" - meaning, A would imply B, but A is not true |
| 02:37.49 | MuWu | Phated, I understand, I gave up Chinese after 800 characters... too much time involved learning. |
| 02:38.06 | peterS | Phated: the verb "were" in that sentence is in the subjunctive mood |
| 02:38.10 | Wyzard | peterS: I'm not talking about implying... I mean statements like "if I had more money, I'd buy a new car" |
| 02:38.15 | Phated | peterS: Ah, thank you. |
| 02:38.18 | Tempus2 | streuner: mdetect didnt output squat when i ran it. |
| 02:38.22 | peterS | Wyzard: right, 'had' is subjunctive too |
| 02:38.29 | MuWu | peters, I think that will be, "If that would be A, then it should be B" |
| 02:38.32 | Phated | MuWu: I'm so glad you had a choice in learning it. |
| 02:38.40 | streuner | Tempus2: did you play with the options? |
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| 02:39.06 | MuWu | Phated, honestly, I kinda wished I started learning Chinese earlier... kids have so much eaiser time picking it up.. :( I spend 2.5 yrs. on it.. and I totally suck.. |
| 02:39.08 | Tempus2 | ah, need -x switch i think |
| 02:39.17 | MuWu | BTW, I am korean.. |
| 02:39.26 | peterS | Phated: so, learning to read/write mandarin is just as hard for native speakers as it seems to be for non-native speakers? memorizing all those glyphs and sub-glyphs isn't easy even if you speak the language? |
| 02:39.29 | Tempus2 | or not |
| 02:39.30 | Wyzard | I'm a bit interested in (informally) learning a bit of Japanese, but that's mostly because I listen to a lot of music with Japanese lyrics |
| 02:39.34 | Phated | MuWu: Er, NO. Sorry, but no. Kids don't have an easier time. I started learning Chinese when I was 3. I hated it then, still hate it now, and technically, am still illiterate. |
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| 02:39.46 | MuWu | Koreans suffer bec. 80% of our words are from Chinese... so you gotta know Chinese characters to fully appreciate their meaning.. |
| 02:40.13 | streuner | Tempus2: in order to get output for 4.x.x yes |
| 02:40.22 | peterS | MuWu: the korean writing system *is* alphabetic, though, right? |
| 02:40.23 | Tempus2 | the -x option didnt spit out anything |
| 02:40.27 | Phated | peterS: Oh, no, I'm hardly native. English is my first, native, and preferred language. I've seen many people who've spoken Chinese since birth and they all find it ridiculously simple. |
| 02:40.30 | Tempus2 | the -v option did |
| 02:40.35 | MuWu | Wyzard, Japanese grammar would be relatively hard compared to English, pronunciation would be as easy as Spanish (no weird dipthongs) |
| 02:40.37 | peterS | Phated: ahhh, ok |
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| 02:40.39 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: The entire Language infulunces the way you think and look at the world theory was discredited by Linguists decades ago. |
| 02:41.02 | MuWu | peterS, yes.. some King and his advisors some 400 yrs. got together and made it up because so many people were illiterate.. |
| 02:41.05 | Phated | peterS: I know at least a few of my classmates who actually read books in Chinese/Mandarin. The thought alone scares me. :) |
| 02:41.14 | MuWu | at that time, Korean were using Chinese characters to transcribe our sounds.. kinda like Japanese.. |
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| 02:41.25 | peterS | MuWu: right, right, that makes sense |
| 02:41.25 | streuner | Tempus2: Input Device Section, first line protocol Auto, second line protocol ImPS/2 |
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| 02:41.43 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: I'd be interested in seeing evidence of that... it seems plausible to me |
| 02:41.54 | Tempus2 | where's that streuner? |
| 02:42.06 | streuner | Tempus2: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:42.08 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: Go pick up any modern psycholinguistics text. |
| 02:42.10 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: The professor gave an interesting example regarding spatial thinking, but it's hard to explain in a text-only medium like IRC |
| 02:42.11 | Tempus2 | k thanks |
| 02:42.14 | MuWu | peterS, problem was all these educated gentry class hated it.. and wanted to keep using Chinese... so it was slow to be adopted... so it wasn't really possible until like late 1800's. |
| 02:42.23 | streuner | Tempus2: that's a pure serial mouse |
| 02:42.30 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: And it was false. Language is not fast enough to account for thought. |
| 02:42.54 | peterS | streuner: wait ... you said Protocol ImPS/2 is a pure serial mouse? |
| 02:42.59 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: The only ones who still buy into that stuff are psych majors Linguistics disproved it a a long long time ago. |
| 02:43.19 | MuWu | peterS, you can actually become fluent in Korean writing sytsem in like 2 weeks... I learned it without realyl anyone teaching me... only 24 symbols..but you actually have to remember like 15 bec. symbols are doubled for aspriated sounds. |
| 02:43.23 | streuner | peterS: i said i have that as second line in XF86Config-4 |
| 02:43.40 | Wyzard | MuWu: That's assuming you can *speak* Korean already though, right? |
| 02:43.45 | MuWu | scraynetworkguy, totally agree.. I think our brain is multithread. |
| 02:43.48 | scarynetworkguy | MuWu: I picked up Hangul in 2 hours. |
| 02:43.49 | peterS | MuWu: oh, interesting |
| 02:43.55 | Tempus2 | i got it streuner, thanks a bunch. the -v option on mdetect yielded valuable info. |
| 02:43.59 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: No I learned it before learning Korean. |
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| 02:44.08 | MuWu | Wyzard, nope.. |
| 02:44.15 | streuner | Tempus2: have fun. |
| 02:44.30 | Tempus2 | I will, thanks again. You da man. |
| 02:44.32 | streuner | Tempus2: what was the output? |
| 02:44.49 | MuWu | scraynetworkguy, why didy ou decie to learn Korean? |
| 02:44.57 | Wyzard | MuWu: But you'd still have to know the grammar and all... or do you mean writing some other language (like English) in Korean characters? |
| 02:44.58 | Tempus2 | it told me the /dev/ttyS0 (among other ports) but the valuable info was 9 Logitech |
| 02:45.03 | MuWu | it's not really a popular language..and Korea isn't really popular with westerners.. |
| 02:45.06 | scarynetworkguy | MuWu: Lived there for almost 5 years. |
| 02:45.12 | MuWu | Wyzard, yes.. writing is really easy.. |
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| 02:45.23 | MuWu | scarynetworkguy, wow... in the army? teaching English? |
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| 02:46.17 | streuner | Tempus2: and i was suprised that i didn't get any output last time ;-) |
| 02:46.18 | MuWu | Well, Korea has the highest penetration of broadband, they make great Flat panels, best RAM, decent and cheap cars, and Kim is yum yum.. (that's our claim to fame).. oh yes, Tae Kwon Do |
| 02:46.34 | alephone | is there a guide that shows how to compile a program into a deb, and then use dpkg to install it? |
| 02:46.34 | streuner | Tempus2: didn't use '-v' |
| 02:46.46 | Wyzard | MuWu: Isn't the Shotokan style Korean too? |
| 02:46.48 | Phated | Wyzard: There are plenty of guides online. One can't say much for how accurate they may be, though. |
| 02:46.52 | Tempus2 | streuner: that's the only way i could get any output at all. |
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| 02:47.15 | streuner | Tempus2: :-) |
| 02:47.16 | stew | alephone: apt-get install maint-guide ; and read /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/* |
| 02:47.27 | alephone | stew: thanks |
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| 02:47.42 | MuWu | Wyzard, not a big martial art type guy..but what I've been told is that Tae Kwon Do is actualyl Koreanized Karate. |
| 02:47.48 | drbombay43 | hello all , I'm trying to find out where the iptables rules are kept in debian |
| 02:48.03 | Phated | MuWu: Eh, no. |
| 02:48.10 | MuWu | there are actually native martial arts... like Taek Kyun, Hwarang-do.. |
| 02:48.37 | _exciton | Hi I'm running an iBook with kubuntu 5.04 and wanted to know if there was any easy wireless options like USB or something anyone know if anything will work? |
| 02:49.07 | billyoc | _exciton: might be better off in #ubuntu |
| 02:49.24 | stew | billyoc: #kubuntu or #ubuntu, not this cahnnel |
| 02:49.26 | Phated | OR #kubuntu. |
| 02:49.29 | Wyzard | _exciton: "Easy wireless options like USB" ? |
| 02:49.58 | Wyzard | _exciton: I'm sure there are some USB wireless adapters supported by Linux, though I don't know of any specifically |
| 02:49.59 | billyoc | stew: did i spell it wrong? :) |
| 02:50.11 | Wyzard | _exciton: That's the sort of thing you can easily research with a little Web searching |
| 02:50.23 | stew | billyoc: if you were trying to spell "kubuntu" as "debian" then yes |
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| 02:50.50 | MuWu | )exciton, I sadly have the answer.. D-Link DWL-122.. probably only good enough USB wifi for linux without a need to recompile anything. |
| 02:50.52 | billyoc | stew: <billyoc> _exciton: might be better off in #ubuntu[22:49] |
| 02:50.52 | billyoc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:52.02 | MuWu | incidentally, D-Link DWL-122 is probably only working USB wifi card for OSX... |
| 02:52.42 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 02:53.45 | liable | thats right this is #english-korean-chinese :) |
| 02:53.56 | MuWu | heh.. |
| 02:53.59 | mwilson | MuWu: Meaning that you've never bothered to look at all, right? |
| 02:54.19 | MuWu | mwilson, actually, this is based on bunch of forum postings.. |
| 02:54.24 | mwilson | Unlikely. |
| 02:54.35 | peterS | #debian-cjk |
| 02:54.37 | MuWu | mwilson, I actually own the dlink card.. (got it for $10 AR from officemax). |
| 02:55.02 | abrotman | arkansas |
| 02:55.14 | peterS | he means after rebate |
| 02:55.17 | mwilson | Since compatability of USB wireless with OS X is usually a hot topic, the only way you'd be able to claim that the only solution is a piss-poor one like the D-Link would be if you'd never looked. |
| 02:55.19 | MuWu | for those addicted to cheap hardware.. www.fatwallet.com/forums |
| 02:55.35 | MuWu | I hate American food, but I love cheap American computer hardware deals.. |
| 02:55.39 | abrotman | peterS: i know .. he could have just said $10 |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:55.44 | glue | korean martial arts have a history just as involved as kunfu, |
| 02:56.04 | peterS | abrotman: ah but that's different. he had to pay the sales tax on the portion before the rebate |
| 02:56.08 | MuWu | I mean where can you get Canon A400 3.2MB camera + IP3000 duplex photo printer for $75 after $70 rebate? |
| 02:56.08 | abrotman | MuWu: why not ableshopper or dealtime etc |
| 02:56.37 | MuWu | abrotman, fatwallet and sleakdeals are probably the best.... |
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| 02:56.55 | streuner | Why do you think OSX is the non-plus-ultra, i have 1000 (maybe more) possibilities to configure the desktop? |
| 02:57.07 | abrotman | MuWu: have you ever seen ableshopper? |
| 02:57.24 | MuWu | the best deal I ever had (bought five Sony Ericson T610 phones with 1-yr. contract with T-mobile)... end price = earnde $1200 plus 1 yr. free service after ebaying unlocked phones.. |
| 02:57.28 | streuner | in Linux |
| 02:57.41 | mwilson | streuner: People who've never seen OS X, or usually ever seen a Mac, even, are quick to tell everyone how limited they are. |
| 02:57.56 | MuWu | nope..but just bookmared ableshopper |
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| 02:58.09 | abrotman | mwilson: i've seen them and used them .. i still don't like them :) |
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| 02:59.02 | MuWu | mwilson, I have only played with for few minutes on stores..but based on just reading about it.. (eye candy + good hardware support + unix goodies) |
| 02:59.04 | streuner | mwilson: what's the advantage? |
| 02:59.31 | abrotman | sparr_: can you tell me why the framebuffer modules make my mouse screwy? |
| 02:59.34 | abrotman | :) |
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| 02:59.47 | sparr_ | abrotman: sure, as soon as i get them working :) |
| 02:59.56 | MuWu | Anyone waiting for FreeBSD/Debian? that'll be interesting.. incidentally FreeBSD feels faster than any linux distro including slackware on my Pentium 90 |
| 02:59.59 | mwilson | MuWu: Yet you tell people about how poorly wireless is supposedly supported. |
| 03:00.00 | sparr_ | How can I use a framebuffer with a debian kernel image package? Do I have to generate a new initrd with the modules in it? |
| 03:00.17 | davem | Debian is amazing, hp-risc + netboot and it Just Works(tm) |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | pa-risc or hppa isn't it ? |
| 03:00.31 | mwilson | I was highly unimpressed with Linux on parisc. |
| 03:00.33 | MuWu | mwilson, true.. USB wireless that is.. but in terms of printer support, it's better.. |
| 03:00.40 | abrotman | never seen hp-risc |
| 03:00.44 | Wyzard | davem: What installer are you using? |
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| 03:00.55 | peterS | MuWu: it won't after debian is done with it (: debian freebsd is just the kernel, userspace (which is where you probably see the difference) will be just like linux or the hurd |
| 03:00.57 | Wyzard | davem: Woody installer or D-I? |
| 03:01.03 | mwilson | MuWu: Of course, you've never seen its printer support... |
| 03:01.04 | davem | Wyzard: I used the woody installer |
| 03:01.09 | streuner | mwilson: ok, i ask the question in new words, what do you like in OSX? |
| 03:01.24 | MuWu | Hurd.. that's something I've been hearing about it for 10 yr.s |
| 03:01.38 | mwilson | oBSD on parisc goes much better. |
| 03:01.39 | davem | abrotman: pa-risc :) |
| 03:01.59 | Wyzard | davem: I booted the D-I RC3 snapshot installer on HPPA a few days ago and found that the default ramdisk_size kernel parameter was too small to fit the initrd :-) |
| 03:02.39 | davem | Wyzard: ouch, good thing it was only a RC and not a release. |
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| 03:02.50 | Wyzard | yep |
| 03:02.52 | MuWu | Is it easy to get Sarge going from Netinstall? also does it really have auto hardware detection? no need to load individual modules like in Woody? |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | !beer karsten |
| 03:02.58 | peterS | Wyzard: that's the sort of thing you'd *think* boot loaders could be taught to pass in automatically |
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| 03:03.08 | abrotman | MuWu: you installed ubuntu right? |
| 03:03.10 | karsten | abrotman: thanks. |
| 03:03.23 | MuWu | abrotman, yes, but i am willing to try sid or sarge |
| 03:03.27 | abrotman | MuWu: you installed ubuntu right? |
| 03:03.34 | Wyzard | peterS: I suspect what happened was that 16MB was enough at some point in the past, but as development went on, it got bigger, and someone forgot to update the cdimage builder scripts |
| 03:03.49 | abrotman | MuWu: you know that ubuntu uses an unchanged sarge installer ? |
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| 03:04.05 | MuWu | abrotman, wow.. never knew that.. :) heh.. |
| 03:04.08 | peterS | Wyzard: the size of the initrd is also highly dependent on your architecture. and the default size depends on your kernel compile |
| 03:04.15 | Overand | abrotman: really? i thought that ubuntu's whole claim to fame early on was a 'better installer' |
| 03:04.17 | streuner | MuWu: well :-) |
| 03:04.22 | MuWu | so what's the advantage of using sarge instead of some forks? |
| 03:04.34 | abrotman | Overand: that's a claim :) |
| 03:04.35 | Overand | MuWu: less entropy? =] |
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| 03:04.45 | abrotman | MuWu: we won't yell at you for asking questions :) |
| 03:04.50 | Overand | yeah |
| 03:04.50 | Overand | heh |
| 03:04.57 | Overand | #debian support rules |
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| 03:05.55 | pixil9 | Can anyone here point me to a nvidia driver install howto for sarge? |
| 03:06.15 | MuWu | ah, so many distros nowadays.. gentoo, debian, lycoris, redlinux, hancomlinux.. |
| 03:06.26 | pixil9 | lesbian linux |
| 03:06.33 | streuner | hehe |
| 03:06.46 | MuWu | we should really put more energy into creating a handful of great distros.. :) |
| 03:06.57 | peterS | MuWu: there are a few more than that. http://lwn.net/Distributions/ |
| 03:07.02 | dieguito | omg, i was searching google about how to kill this flu |
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| 03:07.13 | davem | chicken soup? |
| 03:07.20 | streuner | The only *cough* true *cough* distro is *cough*... ;-) |
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| 03:07.41 | dieguito | davem, omg i didn't remembered that... i can't believe it |
| 03:07.41 | MuWu | flu => rest, vitamin C, water, and more rest.. maybe some Selenium and Zinc might help.. |
| 03:08.23 | streuner | peterS: more then in distrowatch? |
| 03:08.26 | pingouin | what is lesbian linux ?! |
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| 03:08.35 | peterS | pingouin: http://lesbian.mine.nu |
| 03:08.36 | sparr_ | I would like to get a SVGA, or at least VGA (or even EGA?), text console. I have framebuffer drivers compiled as modules. What do I need to do? |
| 03:08.41 | MuWu | I think it's a joke.. |
| 03:08.42 | pingouin | damn not a joke ?! |
| 03:08.46 | pipeline | sparr_: Read svga.txt |
| 03:08.52 | streuner | !lesbian |
| 03:08.52 | dpkg | hmm... lesbian is probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/ |
| 03:08.56 | peterS | pingouin: yes it's a joke, but it does have a web site and it does ship real software |
| 03:09.08 | pingouin | oh my god ;) |
| 03:09.08 | dieguito | MuWu, the vitamin c is work at progress, right now no citrics at home |
| 03:09.21 | peterS | streuner: I didn't check distrowatch. lwn.net lists 432 distributions |
| 03:09.29 | sparr_ | pipeline: that is hands down the vaguest answer ive gotten all day |
| 03:09.50 | MuWu | dieguito, Selenium + zinc supposedly really boost your immune system... (my experience is that.. it'll cause sever skin inflammation from minor irritants). |
| 03:10.03 | MuWu | 432 distros..that's crazy.. |
| 03:10.06 | Tempus2 | what do you guys use for a remote connection to your debian installations? |
| 03:10.12 | davem | ssh! |
| 03:10.15 | alephone | ssh |
| 03:10.18 | dieguito | MuWu, i don't think i'll try that then, i have sensible skin :p |
| 03:10.19 | pipeline | sparr_: There are text files that come with the kernel source. IF you compiled it, you have the source. If you have the source, you have svga.txt.p |
| 03:10.21 | peterS | nah, let the man talk |
| 03:10.31 | pipeline | sparr_: If you didn't know svga.txt existed, you had no business compiling a kernel. |
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| 03:10.39 | MuWu | Doesn't Linux have more developers than M$? seriously, we can probably create something amazing.. more amazing than anything else. |
| 03:11.03 | maher | MuWu: frozen buubble |
| 03:11.12 | MuWu | maher, xevil~! |
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| 03:11.44 | sparr_ | pipeline: good, im not. next? |
| 03:11.46 | Tempus2 | what programs (:P) do you guys use for a remote connection to your debian installations? |
| 03:11.52 | maher | Tempus2: ssh |
| 03:11.52 | Wyzard | Tempus2: ssh |
| 03:11.56 | pipeline | sparr_: That's the last step. |
| 03:12.02 | Tempus2 | yea, but i meant the GUI, sorry |
| 03:12.06 | peterS | Tempus2: ssh, some people also use the various vnc clients and servers |
| 03:12.06 | MuWu | Tempuis2, what remote connection? I never leave computer. |
| 03:12.18 | maher | Tempus2: ssh -X |
| 03:12.19 | MuWu | my precious..that is. |
| 03:12.21 | peterS | Tempus2: also, ssh as a transport for X11 is popular |
| 03:12.30 | martha | hmmm.. distrowatch.com says ubuntu is far ahead of debian in popularity, but if you look at how many people are in #debian and #ubuntu, #debian is far ahead. |
| 03:12.48 | Tempus2 | well ive used Putty and XWin in combination but i cant get XWin here (I use XWin at school) |
| 03:12.54 | MuWu | martha, wasn't debian in "entrophy" according to Eugenia? |
| 03:12.57 | peterS | martha: quite possibly a lot of people in #debian are actually ubuntu users (: |
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| 03:13.00 | sparr_ | pipeline: ok, whats the next step starting from the "i already have the framebuffer drivers compiled as modules" step? |
| 03:13.02 | maher | martha: neithermethodology is meaningful |
| 03:13.10 | nickola | Hello. I'm having some trouble getting more than 2 mgs of EMS memory in DOSEMU. I was hoping someone could help me with this issue? (I'm using the deb package version of dosemu and dosemu-freedos.) |
| 03:13.45 | MuWu | Am I the only one ex-addicted to Xevil? |
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| 03:13.49 | a_monkey | martha: how many people in a distro's channel doesn't determine how popular the distro is. it could determine how many people using the distro have problems. :P |
| 03:13.57 | martha | MuWu: atrophy perhaps? |
| 03:14.03 | pipeline | sparr_: You read svga.txt |
| 03:14.06 | MuWu | Xevil is the best Third Person shooter with multiplayer support and gore.. |
| 03:14.07 | noDLL | does somebody here knows if lilo ( or grub) compiled for amd64, can load 64bit linux AND a 32bits winxp install? or only 64bits OS? |
| 03:14.13 | streuner | peterS: haha |
| 03:14.16 | MuWu | best of all.. .it runs on 486 |
| 03:14.23 | martha | a_monkey: or how many are willing to provide free tech support |
| 03:14.27 | MuWu | martha, urrrr. yes... |
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| 03:14.29 | dondelelcaro | martha: you'll note too that distrowatch primarily counts clicks on its webpage... |
| 03:14.32 | MuWu | !dict entrophy |
| 03:14.34 | dpkg | could not find definition for entrophy |
| 03:14.42 | MuWu | !dict atrophy |
| 03:14.43 | sparr_ | pipeline: im trying to play nice and do this the debian way, so im using a debian kernel image. i dont plan or want to do any kernel compilation. i just read svga.txt, it isnt helping (since the kernel doesnt detect anything other than CGA modes because it doesnt have any framebuffer drivers compile3d in) |
| 03:14.43 | a_monkey | martha: that too |
| 03:14.44 | dpkg | Dictionary 'atrophy' (2): Atrophy \At"ro*phy\, n. [L. atrophia, Gr. ?; 'a priv. + ? to nourish: cf. F. atrophie.] A wasting away from want of nourishment; diminution in bulk or slow emaciation of the body or of any part. --Milton. ;; . Atrophy \At"ro*phy\, v. t. [p. p. Atrophied.] To cause to waste away or become abortive; to starve or weaken.. |
| 03:14.51 | dondelelcaro | it's entropy, or atrophy |
| 03:14.59 | dondelelcaro | (two totally different things) |
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| 03:15.16 | pipeline | sparr_: I imagine you have to load the modules. I would just install X11 instead of fucking with it. :P |
| 03:15.27 | MuWu | ic.. another thing about my English.. I have really hard time differentiating between P and PH.. my L and R are fine.. |
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| 03:15.57 | martha | debian's entropy is experiencing atrophy - how's that? (if you are a physicist you'll construe that as a good thing) |
| 03:16.01 | sparr_ | pipeline: how can you load modules before the kernel is even finished loading? "vga=ask" happens during kernel startup, no? ive already got X installed, all the X-ish solutions to my problem fail in even harder to fix ways |
| 03:16.07 | MuWu | dondelelcaro, I think I meant everything deteriorates in the end... systemwide..... everything dies... the great cycle.. |
| 03:16.23 | Hamled | MuWu, so that's why they didn't call it puckman? |
| 03:16.42 | a_monkey | brb |
| 03:16.44 | nickola | haha |
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| 03:16.56 | MuWu | Hamled, give it a try.. it's addictive... a lot of weapons.. it's good fun for multiplayer. |
| 03:17.05 | dondelelcaro | MuWu: entropy just means that everything will achieve uniform temperature... nothing terribly exciting there. |
| 03:17.13 | sparr_ | pipeline: also of note... 'scan' at the vga prompt just clears my screen then does nothing til i reset the machine |
| 03:17.16 | martha | I just couldn't believe #ubuntu was #1 (it's too new and weird). Also, #gentoo falling behind #debian is a new turn of events |
| 03:17.20 | dondelelcaro | (that is to say, that the universe will eventually reach thermal equilibrium with itself) |
| 03:17.21 | pipeline | sparr_: Uh, that's pretty weird. |
| 03:17.25 | MuWu | Hamled, give it a try.. it's addictive... a lot of weapons.. it's good fun for multiplayer. |
| 03:17.36 | pipeline | martha: What the hell are you reading? Distrowatch.com statistics? They're just measuring hits to the distrowatch.com pages. |
| 03:17.39 | Hamled | I err... wha... |
| 03:17.43 | MuWu | dondelelcara, greatest question... will Universe end? |
| 03:17.48 | pipeline | martha: The ranks are totally meaningless. |
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| 03:18.16 | martha | pipeline: suggest better ranks then. does google share these types of stats? |
| 03:18.26 | sparr_ | pipeline: i have a very simple goal. i want to run a SDL game, using aalib output, in a window with high "text resolution". there are a dozen ways to do it, none of them are working for me |
| 03:18.27 | pipeline | martha: No, it does not. |
| 03:18.35 | pipeline | martha: I'm afraid the world doesn't rank and number itself for your convenience. |
| 03:18.41 | stew | i dunno that i believe in entropy |
| 03:18.45 | pipeline | sparr_: Uh, I'm afraid I can't help you on that. |
| 03:19.01 | sparr_ | pipeline: i know, which is why i abstract it and ask for help with each solution individually |
| 03:19.07 | maher | martha: netcraft have webserver distro stats |
| 03:19.09 | pipeline | stew: Entropy isn't really open to question. The open question is whether gravity will make the universe collapse. |
| 03:19.11 | sparr_ | i dont expect help with any of the SDL-specific stuff here |
| 03:19.11 | MuWu | well, it seems decay is inevitable.... the great cycle of death and rebirth... OM~! |
| 03:19.15 | sparr_ | so i ask the framebuffer stuff |
| 03:19.16 | peterS | stew: by all means find a way to violate the law of entropy. it's called perpetual motion and you will be able to make a lot of money from it |
| 03:19.21 | sparr_ | would be nice to get a framebuffer working anyways |
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| 03:19.32 | MuWu | pipeline, or... whether everything will too far out..that it'll be dead cold for life. |
| 03:19.53 | stew | peterS: you could argue that our existence is counter intuitive to entropy |
| 03:19.57 | pipeline | MuWu: Not that it really matters. The sun will have gone into another phase billions of years earlier. |
| 03:20.01 | pipeline | stew: Not at all. |
| 03:20.01 | peterS | stew: so it is |
| 03:20.19 | pipeline | stew: Addition is also counter-intuitive in that sense. |
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| 03:20.36 | MuWu | another puzzling question.. what happens when I die? |
| 03:20.39 | pipeline | stew: As the human mind cannot really deal with more than five to six objects at a time. |
| 03:20.43 | pipeline | MuWu: You get cold and stiff. |
| 03:20.52 | peterS | MuWu: I inherit all your property |
| 03:20.59 | davem | MuWu: The real question is...what are "you"? |
| 03:21.00 | sparr_ | pipeline: if theres no way to use the damn fb modules... why are they even included? someone on the kernel dev team had to have some reason to make the options for framebuffer Y/N/M(odule) instead of just Y/N |
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| 03:21.09 | MuWu | some say Universe is in me.. Macrospace in Microspace...but I have no idea where I came from...:) |
| 03:21.17 | pipeline | sparr_: Oh, I'm sure there is a way, but I think the framebuffer is a bad idea to begin with |
| 03:21.22 | MuWu | davem, but there is no "you" |
| 03:21.31 | davem | MuWu: exactly :) |
| 03:21.40 | davem | There is nothing to die. |
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| 03:21.46 | MuWu | there is no "I" according to some buddhists, but then some Hindus would say "I" am God.. but some would say sdafsdfjasldfj |
| 03:22.03 | martha | pipeline: it's sad that some people make metaphysical generalizations based on what google does or does not |
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| 03:22.03 | sparr_ | pipeline: its the only solution i have any chance of getting help with here. and that chance seems to be diminishing by the hour. |
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| 03:22.24 | peterS | MuWu: buddhist mathematicians don't believe in the identity matrix? |
| 03:22.29 | MuWu | seriously, it's amazing when I look at this technology stuff.. we are doing amazing things... we are pretty smart animals..but we have no fucking clue about the meaning of life..definitively...without resorting to some religion and this thing called "faith" |
| 03:22.41 | davem | peterS: heh |
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| 03:24.12 | doleyb | sparr_: what terminal prog are you trying? xterm, rxvt? |
| 03:24.15 | pipeline | MuWu: The meaning of life is pretty obvious: breed as much as possible and then die. It's all around us. It's just too boring. |
| 03:24.15 | sparr_ | pipeline: one other possibility... do you have any clue how 'consolechars' works? i refuse to believe my IBM PC/XT 15 years ago was capable of better text modes than the machine I have now, but every time I try to get consolechars to give me a decent video mode it just kills my display |
| 03:24.18 | sparr_ | doleyb: linux. |
| 03:24.27 | MuWu | I think the reason why I enjoy computer so much..it's an amazing metaphor for thinking about human mind.. |
| 03:24.32 | peterS | sparr_: what video card? |
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| 03:24.41 | sparr_ | peterS: geforce fx |
| 03:24.43 | maher | MuWu: so are ant farms |
| 03:24.47 | pipeline | sparr_: I have no idea. Your XT probably IS capable of better text modes, via the MGA card |
| 03:25.12 | sparr_ | pipeline: it didnt have any cards |
| 03:25.14 | MuWu | pipeline, reproduction.. in that case.. mankind is a failure... bacteria, virus, or even insects are doing so much better.. |
| 03:25.17 | peterS | sparr_: svgatextmode supports nvidia cards very well. I haven't tried it with a geforce fx but it supports the geforce 2 very very nicely |
| 03:25.21 | pipeline | sparr_: CGA and EGA were ultra-low-end products for people who couldn't afford MGA, and VGA was the ultra-low-end product for those who couldn't afford the IBM-proprietary graphics option. |
| 03:25.30 | MuWu | even if we kill one another through nuclear war... microbes will survive.. |
| 03:25.35 | furrywolf | mga? mda? |
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| 03:25.46 | MuWu | Indeed, best design of life: "keep it simple stupid" |
| 03:25.50 | sparr_ | peterS: how do you have it configured for the gf2? specifically, what clocks? |
| 03:26.05 | peterS | sparr_: you ignore the clocks line and just say chipset riva128 |
| 03:26.10 | sparr_ | peterS: i can get normal modes like 80x50 out of stm, but nothing better |
| 03:26.13 | sparr_ | riva128... |
| 03:26.15 | sparr_ | i shall try that! |
| 03:26.29 | MuWu | i mean what's hte point of going to Mars when some flu or Ebola virus kills you... |
| 03:26.30 | peterS | sparr_: yeah. took me awhile to realise riva128 worked on nvidia cards newer than the riva128 too (: |
| 03:27.05 | MuWu | does anyone know a working AI program that you can run on Linux... something that's actually alive? |
| 03:27.09 | sparr_ | peterS: when i lose my display and have to hard reset... ill be back to berate you after a fsck or three :-p |
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| 03:27.35 | peterS | sparr_: DCC incoming. for my geforce 2 |
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| 03:28.08 | peterS | sparr_: I spent some time tweaking the numbers as high as they would go without problems. different cards will presumably have different limits |
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| 03:29.30 | peterS | sparr_: if you can't take DCC, pull down http://p12n.org/tmp/TextConfig |
| 03:29.52 | sparr_ | damn |
| 03:29.56 | sparr_ | cant copy out of the console |
| 03:30.05 | sparr_ | using riva128 |
| 03:30.09 | sparr_ | when i try to stm into a high text mode |
| 03:30.12 | sparr_ | it doesnt change modes |
| 03:30.18 | sparr_ | but it DOES change the 'effective' console size |
| 03:30.29 | sparr_ | so i get 100-column lines wrapping onto my 80 column screen |
| 03:30.38 | sparr_ | and theres an invisible 20+ rows of text off the bottom of the screen |
| 03:30.39 | peterS | sparr_: use 'stm -s' to see what it thinks it is capable of |
| 03:30.49 | sparr_ | then when i stm back into 80x25x8 i get an error regarding my pci info |
| 03:30.54 | MuWu | Question: why not put our Genome to operating system? Put few independent operating system modules in a super computer... put basic BIOS/OS/adaptive programming.. making each operating system fight one another for survival... sort of Operating system virus with real human DNA.... wait a few months.. you have intelligent operating system.. |
| 03:31.19 | sparr_ | stm: ERROR: No supported nVidia GPU found in PCI info! |
| 03:31.28 | peterS | MuWu: I thought I2O was bad enough |
| 03:31.37 | MuWu | what is I20? |
| 03:31.49 | streuner | !i2o |
| 03:31.49 | dpkg | i heard i2o is The I2O standard is designed to simplify and speed up I/O operations on servers. It will eliminate the need for different drivers for each OS, and for each SCSI card and network card. The speedup is achieved by using an Intel 960 chip on the server's motherboard to handle a lot of the I/O processing that would normally be handled by the processor or I/O subsystem. |
| 03:31.55 | sparr_ | omg |
| 03:31.57 | matthew-gray | ok, hi all, been a long, long time sine i used irc, so bear with me... :-) |
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| 03:31.59 | sparr_ | a linux error message |
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| 03:32.03 | sparr_ | with *ZERO* google hits |
| 03:32.08 | MuWu | sparr_, have fun getting PCI ID, then manuallying adding that ID to yoru program, and recompiling it.. |
| 03:32.09 | sparr_ | what is the world coming to? |
| 03:32.09 | peterS | MuWu: I2O stands for "Intelligent I/O" |
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| 03:32.17 | sparr_ | MuWu: already have it |
| 03:32.26 | sparr_ | 0x0326 |
| 03:32.33 | MuWu | sparr_, doesn't work well? |
| 03:32.35 | sparr_ | had to add it to nvclock |
| 03:32.52 | matthew-gray | so... does anyone here use ldap as a replacement for NIS? |
| 03:33.10 | streuner | Where does gkrellm find the values for hdd temperatures? |
| 03:33.20 | sparr_ | streuner: probably lm_sensors |
| 03:33.23 | streuner | from hddtemp |
| 03:33.46 | streuner | sparr_: i have to install hddtemp in order to get those values? |
| 03:34.06 | sparr_ | peterS: -s shows me modes all the way up to 132x60, but so far i havent gotten anything with a clock of 36 or 40 to work, only modes with clocks up to 28.xx work |
| 03:34.40 | peterS | sparr_: the error message you cited - is that from svgatextmode or from a different utility? you mention nvclocks |
| 03:34.43 | streuner | And the question is, where does hddtemp get the infos? |
| 03:35.02 | MuWu | I remember this gold fish AI program for Windows.. supposedly fully emulate a live gold fish with learning...and personality... Is there something comparable on Linux? |
| 03:35.05 | streuner | !info hddtemp |
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| 03:35.11 | dpkg | hddtemp: (Utility to monitor the temperature of your hard drive), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.3-beta13-7 (sid), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
| 03:35.45 | streuner | i wanna use that in a torsmo config |
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| 03:36.10 | Guest100951 | olá pesoal |
| 03:36.33 | Guest100951 | alguém pode me dar uma ajuda com o squirrelmail? |
| 03:36.42 | streuner | #debian-br |
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| 03:37.18 | Guest100951 | can anyone give me help with squirrelmail? |
| 03:37.51 | tga | I'm mounting a samba share on a sid box on another sid and I get huge file sizes.. any idea what could cause this? |
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| 03:38.22 | streuner | Guest100951: no idea about it, but i could help in Ilahomail |
| 03:38.24 | Guest100951 | olá pessoal |
| 03:38.26 | peterS | sparr_: where did you get that number 0326? |
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| 03:41.54 | ecliptik | this is just a random survey, but does anyone else get really really drunk when doing anything major with their personal debian systems? |
| 03:42.22 | MuWu | ecliptik, I become more like obsessed...losing sleep and getting really angry... |
| 03:42.27 | peterS | ecliptik: debian doesn't have that effect on me |
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| 03:42.37 | ecliptik | yeah, that was the first stage, then came the alcohol |
| 03:42.39 | MuWu | ecliptik, it feels ilke I am trying to glue together a lot of stuff using rice-glue |
| 03:43.08 | ecliptik | least I'm fairing better than my roomate who is having major XP problems, I'm just waiting for my kernel to compile |
| 03:43.16 | ecliptik | whoa, and now his xbox crashed.... |
| 03:43.32 | MuWu | ecliptik, maybe it's time for him to install xbox-debian.. |
| 03:43.33 | we_R_DNA | is there a way to take a rpm and change it into deb? |
| 03:43.46 | ecliptik | MuWu.... I like your thinking |
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| 03:43.51 | streuner | we_R_DNA: what app? |
| 03:43.51 | peterS | we_R_DNA: install the 'alien' package |
| 03:43.52 | maher | we_R_DNA: alien |
| 03:44.09 | rindolf | adexta: hi |
| 03:44.09 | we_R_DNA | I want to access |
| 03:44.22 | we_R_DNA | # Planet CCRMA RPM Repository for Fedora Core 3 |
| 03:44.22 | we_R_DNA | rpm http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/apt fedora/3/i386 core updates |
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| 03:44.29 | adexta | hey shlomi |
| 03:44.42 | we_R_DNA | is it possible to change this rpm into the deb ? |
| 03:44.49 | peterS | we_R_DNA: we told you |
| 03:44.53 | we_R_DNA | okie dokie :) |
| 03:45.07 | peterS | we_R_DNA: maher and I both gave you the answer |
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| 03:47.50 | Guest100951 | join #debian-br |
| 03:48.09 | Guest100951 | exit |
| 03:48.11 | tga | how can I have all files on a smbfs mount belong to the same local user/group? |
| 03:48.19 | tga | Guest100951: exit: Bad command or file name |
| 03:48.20 | Guest100951 | exit |
| 03:48.23 | liable | Guest100951: maybe / is in order |
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| 03:48.33 | Guest100951 | liable: |
| 03:48.36 | tga | Guest100951: there is no exit from here |
| 03:48.36 | Guest100951 | liable: |
| 03:48.49 | jdhutchin1 | tga, there are options that tell smbmount what owner/group the files should belong to |
| 03:48.56 | liable | Guest100951: /join blah |
| 03:49.10 | Guest100951 | liable: tks |
| 03:49.17 | ireverentReveren | what is the name for the module that runs lm_sensors? |
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| 03:49.20 | tga | jdhutchin1: I tried both -o gid=foo when mounting and force group = foo in smb.conf, nothing seems to be working |
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| 03:49.40 | jdhutchin1 | tga, it goes in fstab or on the mount command line |
| 03:50.07 | jdhutchin1 | tga, are you exporting a samba filesystem or mounting it locally? |
| 03:50.36 | tga | jdhutchin1: I'm exporting it on one machine and mounting it on another |
| 03:50.52 | we_R_DNA | I am on a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 03:50.56 | tga | jdhutchin1: I get all the remote uid/gids and I also get huge file sizes for some reason |
| 03:50.58 | we_R_DNA | where do i get sources for a 2.6.9 |
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| 03:53.54 | alephone | we_R_DNA: kernel.org |
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| 03:54.41 | we_R_DNA | whoa there is no 2.6.9 |
| 03:54.42 | we_R_DNA | heheeh |
| 03:54.55 | jdhutchin1 | tga, the options you want to pass will be on the 'other machine' where it is will be mounted via smbfs |
| 03:55.13 | tga | jdhutchin1: as I said, -o uid=foo,gid=foo don't do anything |
| 03:55.51 | rindolf | adexta: what's up, otherwise? |
| 03:59.43 | tga | interesting.. 748 lurkers |
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| 04:00.04 | rindolf | 751 people... OMG! |
| 04:00.25 | tga | so any idea how can I have all files on a smbfs mount belong to the same local user/group? |
| 04:00.50 | tga | rindolf: even better, 751 and nobody saying anything |
| 04:00.59 | alephone | anything |
| 04:01.01 | rindolf | tga: we do... |
| 04:01.13 | peterS | tga: probably smbfs or cifs, whichever you're using, is using unix extensions to smb. see if you can disable that. ('man 8 mount') |
| 04:01.38 | rindolf | So I installed Kubuntu the other day (in order to pinpoint whether bugs are Mandrake specific). Took me some time to get it to behave the way I wanted. |
| 04:02.29 | tga | rindolf: traitor.. |
| 04:02.42 | rindolf | tga: I'm using Mandrake now. |
| 04:02.48 | peterS | rindolf: get back in #perl where you belong |
| 04:02.59 | rindolf | peterS: I am on #perl. |
| 04:03.03 | peterS | I know |
| 04:03.06 | tga | peterS: any idea why a smbfs mount would show huge file sizes? |
| 04:03.16 | tga | 292G debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 04:03.18 | peterS | tga: not offhand |
| 04:03.33 | peterS | and yeah, even blue laser dvds won't quite hold *that* iso |
| 04:05.28 | streuner | hm |
| 04:06.01 | simonrvn | peterS: blue laser dvd == dvd+rw, or -rw? |
| 04:06.24 | peterS | simonrvn: I really have no idea. I think it's a newer standard, i.e. neither |
| 04:06.33 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 04:07.00 | matthew-gray | blue laser is a new standard seperate from conventional dvds |
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| 04:07.12 | matthew-gray | so... does anyone here use ldap as a replacement for NIS? |
| 04:07.21 | simonrvn | matthew-gray: #ldap does |
| 04:07.36 | matthew-gray | ah, good idea... |
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| 04:07.48 | streuner | simonrvn: how much data? |
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| 04:08.19 | simonrvn | ~50 GB total, give or take a couple GB |
| 04:10.32 | streuner | a second HD is not the same, but it would make your data more secure |
| 04:11.12 | simonrvn | i know. i'm doing the HDD thing right now |
| 04:11.18 | streuner | hehe |
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| 04:11.42 | pixil9 | What's a good file manager for X? |
| 04:11.49 | streuner | gentoo |
| 04:11.55 | abrotman | xfe |
| 04:12.06 | simonrvn | xterm+mc |
| 04:12.11 | pixil9 | hmm |
| 04:12.16 | pixil9 | mc is crap lol |
| 04:12.21 | simonrvn | iyo |
| 04:12.28 | streuner | no |
| 04:12.32 | MuWu | pixil9, xfe |
| 04:12.33 | streuner | :-) |
| 04:13.27 | streuner | those norton-clones are just wonderful to work with |
| 04:13.35 | pixil9 | thx xfe works |
| 04:13.38 | simonrvn | mc is unbeatable imo |
| 04:13.51 | pixil9 | except i don't give a shit that i'm running X and xfe as root.. stupid program |
| 04:14.03 | simonrvn | only problem i have with it is no utf-8 support |
| 04:14.32 | pixil9 | thx |
| 04:14.47 | streuner | simonrvn: gentoo has a lot of more feature and highly configurable, but i usually need just mc |
| 04:15.00 | simonrvn | so is mc ;) |
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| 04:15.50 | sabin | mc's nice |
| 04:16.13 | simonrvn | bah, should've put that in UTC ;p |
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| 04:18.45 | tga | peterS: thanks, unix extensions = no fixed both my samba problems |
| 04:18.54 | peterS | tga: cool |
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| 04:19.35 | peterS | tga: note, unix extensions = no also means you can't communicate things like symlinks through smb |
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| 04:19.59 | simonrvn | peterS: oh, you were gone at the time, but i stumbled upon a samba doc you wrote back in 2002 :) |
| 04:20.10 | peterS | simonrvn: haha. no kidding? |
| 04:20.12 | streuner | i wanna use hddtemp to show me the value of hddtemp via 'hddtemp -n /dev/hdd', how is that possible? |
| 04:20.32 | streuner | in torsmo |
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| 04:20.54 | simonrvn | peterS: yup, no kidding. it was neat to see that. good writing |
| 04:21.24 | peterS | simonrvn: what doc? I don't remember writing a samba-related doc around 2002 (: |
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| 04:21.43 | simonrvn | could've been earlier |
| 04:22.04 | streuner | Is it enough to use in an .sh script '/usr/sbin/hddtemp -n /dev/hdd'? |
| 04:22.49 | streuner | that the values goes back to another app? |
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| 04:23.52 | Dull404 | is there a package manager for debian that can install with dependencies, and also remove with depenency check? |
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| 04:23.54 | adexta | what's the name of a package i can apt-get so i support international fonts? |
| 04:24.19 | streuner | Dull404: apt-get? |
| 04:24.33 | Dull404 | apt-get cant remove |
| 04:24.35 | adexta | Dull404: you mean like RPM's? |
| 04:24.42 | streuner | Dull404: heh? |
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| 04:25.01 | Dull404 | adexta, kind of.. or like "emerge" as in gentoo |
| 04:25.07 | adexta | apt-get remove packagename |
| 04:25.18 | Dull404 | streuner, apt-get remove <package> will NOT remove all dependencies |
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| 04:25.28 | streuner | no? |
| 04:25.31 | Hamled | anyone here use apache2 via the debian package? |
| 04:25.31 | Dull404 | adexta, that will leave orphans |
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| 04:25.43 | Zoz | hi |
| 04:25.55 | streuner | Dull404: try /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 04:26.00 | Dull404 | streuner, i get orphans,,, or whatever they are called left, cluttering my system |
| 04:26.05 | adexta | what's the name of a package i can apt-get so i support international fonts, such as chinese? |
| 04:26.20 | Dull404 | streuner, i know.. and also debfoster |
| 04:26.37 | Dull404 | question was if there is "one" program to rule them all ;) |
| 04:26.45 | alephone | ...and if you run that command as root without first making sure deborphan is installed, you will get a nasty surprise. |
| 04:27.09 | Dull404 | alephone, hehe, dont ;) |
| 04:27.30 | alephone | yeah, just kidding. i've had to wrestle apt all day, don't want to piss it off any more |
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| 04:28.41 | Hamled | with apache2, everytime I load it up, I get "[Sat Apr 16 00:18:03 2005] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts", and I'm doing virtual hosts exactly as the apache 2 docs say to... |
| 04:28.44 | az[a]zel | there's a porn bot in this channel, somebody reported it yet? |
| 04:28.47 | Dull404 | no one knows? |
| 04:28.56 | Dull404 | hm.. i guess there is none then :(( |
| 04:29.05 | az[a]zel | iroN_Man = porn on-channel-entry spam bot |
| 04:29.12 | adexta | probably not, Dull404 |
| 04:29.20 | Hamled | az[a]zel, nah, he just really wants you to enjoy yourself |
| 04:29.27 | adexta | i don't know if even YaST removes orphans |
| 04:29.43 | Dull404 | adexta, hm.. crap then |
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| 04:29.59 | Dull404 | yast? thats suse.... |
| 04:30.04 | adexta | i used to have suse |
| 04:30.06 | adexta | and i loved it |
| 04:30.15 | ArdomusMorty | iroN_Man is spamming |
| 04:30.24 | adexta | ArdomusMorty: /ignore iroN_Man |
| 04:30.26 | bltzfsck | ironman is selling p orn |
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| 04:30.52 | ArdomusMorty | yes i know how to use ignore but that doesn't stop him from spreading his spam |
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| 04:31.03 | adexta | find someone who can kline him |
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| 04:31.09 | Dull404 | adexta, im used to pacman, and then everything is a breeze.... but im not that fond of arch |
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| 04:31.41 | myren | how do i change directories in a makefile |
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| 04:31.48 | streuner | !ops iroN_Man is a on-join spambot |
| 04:31.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: iroN_Man is a on-join spambot |
| 04:32.18 | alephone | toast |
| 04:32.45 | adexta | pwned. |
| 04:32.56 | adexta | i loved suse |
| 04:33.01 | alephone | i'm gonna go get my connection reset by beer |
| 04:33.12 | adexta | have fun, alephone |
| 04:33.21 | alephone | well, in a bit when im off work |
| 04:33.22 | furrywolf | lol |
| 04:33.57 | eps | welp I rather like debian, I think I'll stay :) |
| 04:34.05 | eps | seems far smoother than mandrake |
| 04:34.08 | eps | I guess less bloat |
| 04:35.19 | kingsley | Unless I'm mistaken, I'm in the unenviable position of owning a dying printer, which means I'll need to a.) find a new one that's for sale and supported by gimp-print and ghostscript, and b.) pay for the new one and c.) upgrade gimp-print and ghostscript to versions that support it. |
| 04:35.20 | [TACO] | eps: welcome to the family, you will be added to the tree when we find the maintainer |
| 04:35.58 | kingsley | Since inkjet printers seem to last about two years, I find myself wondering if there's a better way... |
| 04:36.01 | eps | [TACO] hehe |
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| 04:36.35 | eps | oh, that is some thing I need to do, see if my printer will work out of the box with debian, or if I will have to bugger around with drivers |
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| 04:36.46 | streuner | kingsley: setting up my inkjet printer was a mess... |
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| 04:36.57 | eps | silly nvidia graphics drivers are complaining since I cannot match the kernel source to the kernel version I have :( |
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| 04:37.21 | alephone | maybe nvidia will follow suit and release their source like xgi and via |
| 04:37.32 | alephone | or maybe pigs will fly |
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| 04:38.14 | kingsley | streuner: Yes, that's been my experience too, and with ink jet printers failing after about two years, it seems there should be a better way... |
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| 04:38.45 | Dull404 | [TACO], i left debian due to the messy package manager... otherwise it seems nice :) |
| 04:39.13 | eps | alephone I wish :P |
| 04:39.51 | eps | I used to buy nvidia cards because they at least supported linux, now I will probably start buying xgi as they are gpl :) |
| 04:40.14 | takatumi | Dull404: so which unmessy package manager are you using now? |
| 04:40.28 | Dull404 | takatumi, pacman |
| 04:40.36 | alephone | i used an xgi volari v3, it's a fairly decent card for gaming. |
| 04:40.41 | sparr_ | eps: i heard xgi was only GPLing their 2d code? |
| 04:41.14 | sparr_ | about as useful as nv (as opposed to nvidia) drivers :) |
| 04:41.19 | eps | sparr_ I didn't read into it - they probably only are |
| 04:41.27 | eps | oh well |
| 04:41.57 | eps | I honestly do not understand how it can be a bad marketing choice to release source code to drivers |
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| 04:42.21 | eps | what is the most people can do, steal your methods for doing things? not as if they can afford to emulate nvidia cards |
| 04:42.22 | Dull404 | eps, reverse engineering |
| 04:42.38 | sparr_ | reverse engineering what? |
| 04:42.46 | sparr_ | you put in this command, you get out this image |
| 04:42.46 | Guest100951 | how can i solve the error message "permission denied" with squirrelmail"? |
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| 04:43.00 | alephone | i wouldn't be suprised if ati and nvidia reverse engineer the others drivers |
| 04:43.01 | sparr_ | anyone making a video card can figure that out without any help |
| 04:43.12 | sparr_ | all the stuff in between is the hard part, and open source drivers wouldnt have any effect on that |
| 04:43.13 | eps | alephone either would I |
| 04:43.24 | simonrvn | Guest100951: and we get to read your mind, right? |
| 04:43.28 | streuner | Guest100951: wild guess, change the permissions in that folder? |
| 04:43.41 | Dull404 | sparr_, i see... |
| 04:43.44 | eps | I might write a letter to the head of nvidia asking his reasoning for it |
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| 04:43.52 | Roey | hi |
| 04:44.01 | sparr_ | now that simonrvn is awake... |
| 04:44.04 | sparr_ | ill ask again :) |
| 04:44.09 | streuner | Guest100951: we need more details |
| 04:44.10 | Roey | I'm executing in GRUB "setup (hd1,.0) and I get a segmentation fault. wtf? |
| 04:44.11 | Guest100951 | simonrvn: i already change the permission in the directory |
| 04:44.33 | sparr_ | What do I have to do to get a framebuffer working (vesafb in particular, i think) using a debian kernel image package (with fb drivers compiled as modules)? |
| 04:44.35 | Guest100951 | i´m using postfix + cyrus-imap |
| 04:44.37 | alephone | Roey (hd1,0) maybe? |
| 04:44.37 | simonrvn | what did you change it to? |
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| 04:45.26 | Roey | alephone: how so? |
| 04:45.29 | Guest100951 | before I put user and password in the Squirrelmail Webmail and login, is show a error message that can´t creat a mailbox |
| 04:45.49 | kingsley | Do laser printers last longer than ink jets? |
| 04:46.08 | furrywolf | kingsley: only if they run debian. |
| 04:46.10 | simonrvn | Guest100951: cyrus doesn't auto-create mail folders, not by default |
| 04:46.18 | alephone | Roey: is (hd1,.0) correct syntax? |
| 04:46.18 | Dull404 | takatumi, did u die? |
| 04:46.20 | simonrvn | sparr_: x86? |
| 04:46.35 | Guest100951 | simonrvn: but, i´m using mailbox |
| 04:46.58 | simonrvn | sparr_: and they should be built-in IME. |
| 04:47.01 | Guest100951 | simonrvn: can I set cyrus to creat mailbox auto? |
| 04:47.05 | Roey | alephone: I believe so... |
| 04:47.29 | furrywolf | kings: _in general_, laser printers tend to outlast inkjet printers. but there's crap laser printers, and there's sturdy inkjets. keep in mind initial cost; you can buy about 10 crap inkjets for the cost of a good laser... |
| 04:47.30 | Roey | alephone: perhaps setup (hd1). Hm.. |
| 04:47.44 | simonrvn | Guest100951: with patches. i'd suggest you use courier if you're at a point you can easily switch. i suppose you meant Maildir? |
| 04:47.51 | furrywolf | and, of course, color laser costs an arm and a leg. :) |
| 04:47.58 | simonrvn | cyrus isn't newbie friendly at all |
| 04:48.14 | alephone | Roey: try (hd1,0) |
| 04:48.44 | Guest100951 | simonrvn: I´ll try with courier but can I use courier whit mailbox? |
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| 04:48.58 | simonrvn | what do you mean by mailbox? |
| 04:49.43 | evilmegaman | Hi my friend is using debian and he was wondering how to set up X. He has xf86 and I was wondering how he should go about using XF86Setup |
| 04:49.50 | sparr_ | simonrvn: yes, x86. they are built as modules, i THINK. the .ko files for them exist in my /lib/modules/'uname -r'/kernel/video dir |
| 04:49.51 | Guest100951 | simonrvn: In fact I don´t know the advantages to use mailbox or maildir, but my Postfix is set to use mailbox |
| 04:50.02 | sparr_ | kernel/drivers/video that is |
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| 04:50.18 | simonrvn | ah, that kind - cyrus does it completely different |
| 04:50.33 | simonrvn | it doesn't use mbox, nor maildir |
| 04:51.07 | simonrvn | sparr_: if you see modules, then it isn't built-in |
| 04:51.21 | spdf | Hey fellas. I added home_mailbox = Maildir/ to postfix's config, created the maildir's, but postfix is still delivering to /var/mail/<user> |
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| 04:51.26 | takatumi | Dull404: it looks interesting. |
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| 04:51.30 | Roey | alephone: "Running "embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd1,0)"... failed (this is not fatal)" followed by "Segmentation fault" |
| 04:51.34 | Asturion | hi |
| 04:51.49 | sparr_ | simonrvn: more telling even, is this line in my .config: CONFIG_FB_VESA=m |
| 04:51.50 | Asturion | jejejeje |
| 04:52.02 | sparr_ | simonrvn: so, they are modules. now that we have established that... how do i use them? |
| 04:52.11 | alephone | Roey: what do you have for your root setting? |
| 04:52.20 | Guest100951 | simonrvn: I´ll try to install courier now |
| 04:52.32 | Asturion | what is curier? |
| 04:52.38 | Roey | alephone: / should be /dev/sda2. /boot is /dev/sda1. |
| 04:52.45 | Asturion | i see this before in postfix + curier |
| 04:53.03 | simonrvn | sparr_: well, what i do is build them in, then in the blootlader conf i put append="video:nameofdriverherefb" |
| 04:53.10 | simonrvn | bootloader even |
| 04:53.26 | sparr_ | simonrvn: yeah, but i LIKE my debian kernel-image :) how do i use them in module form? |
| 04:53.29 | alephone | ok so root (hd1,0) |
| 04:53.30 | ArdomusMorty | does anyone know if there is an fbsql.c for debian i'm trying to do the make they provide for it but it needs the mysql libs which don't seem to exist after using apt-get to install mysql |
| 04:53.47 | alephone | then execture setup (hd0) to install in the mbr |
| 04:53.48 | dondelelcaro | ArdomusMorty: you need to install libmysqlclient12-dev or some such. |
| 04:53.53 | alephone | execute* |
| 04:53.56 | sparr_ | ArdomusMorty: you need a package ending in "-dev" |
| 04:54.09 | simonrvn | use them as other modules i suppose |
| 04:54.16 | dondelelcaro | s/12/10/ |
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| 04:54.33 | Dull404 | takatumi, it is. did you see your pm? |
| 04:54.41 | ArdomusMorty | righto so after i install that and compile this i can remove the -dev package without it removing the real mysql i have? |
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| 04:54.54 | sparr_ | simonrvn: by the time i can load them ive already dont everything i might want to do with them (specifically vga=ask as a kernel parameter). if i just load the modules after i boot... what good are they? how can i get into "framebuffer mode"? |
| 04:55.10 | simonrvn | i don't know |
| 04:55.39 | sparr_ | neither does anyone else :( |
| 04:55.48 | topa_ | is it good idea to use a sound server ? |
| 04:55.58 | topa_ | or shall i stick with plain alsa |
| 04:56.02 | sparr_ | topa_: if your sound card doesnt do hardware mixing, yes. |
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| 04:56.16 | Asturion | try dbmix |
| 04:56.19 | rgrep | ArdomusMorty: yes, mysql doesn't depend on the mysql-dev package |
| 04:56.27 | ArdomusMorty | thanks |
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| 04:57.17 | sparr_ | ~root |
| 04:57.18 | apt | hmm... root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account. |
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| 04:58.02 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: yes... the offenders are told about that factoid |
| 04:58.08 | sparr_ | ahh, didnt realize |
| 04:58.14 | Asturion | but, what about if he use UML user mode linux |
| 04:58.17 | sparr_ | it got ~'d to me last time i did it :) |
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| 04:58.35 | dondelelcaro | Asturion: so? |
| 04:59.01 | sparr_ | simonrvn: thanks for trying. ill ask again in a bit, see if anyone with this particuler bit of arcane kernel knowledge has surfaced |
| 04:59.38 | rgrep | sparr_: what info are you after? |
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| 05:00.28 | ArdomusMorty | apt-cache search mysql comes up with no -dev packages do i need special apt sources for that? |
| 05:00.46 | Asturion | who can help me?... what is the best software to make docbooks or texinfo? |
| 05:01.10 | rgrep | ArdomusMorty: What are you trying to compile? |
| 05:01.35 | llahm | Asturion: Well if it's TeX you are looking to do, LyX is a graphical TeX editor. |
| 05:01.40 | Daemon | ive lost my /usr/bin and /usr/sbin, my system boots and i can login but nothing is loading, how can i replace these dir's and files please? |
| 05:01.55 | ArdomusMorty | im tryin to compile fbsql.c |
| 05:01.59 | llahm | Daemon: lost??? |
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| 05:02.15 | ArdomusMorty | but it needs the mysql libs |
| 05:02.18 | Daemon | llahm - pretty much yea, my whole system is a mess |
| 05:02.30 | llahm | I fucking hate this state's government. They have a monopoly on liquor stores and they all close by 10 pm. |
| 05:02.39 | mwilson | rei $ apt-cache search mysql | grep dev | wc -l |
| 05:02.39 | mwilson | 16 |
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| 05:02.41 | Asturion | llahm: thanks, and... if you find some more design for make books in pdf |
| 05:02.56 | llahm | What the fuck? I am just a responsible adult who wants some Jack Daniel's to mix some damn drinks. |
| 05:02.59 | Asturion | llahm: scribus is a good choice? |
| 05:03.02 | Daemon | llahm - they have been moved all over the place i dont know where they are now so i need to replace them |
| 05:03.07 | mwilson | ArdomusMorty: Uh huh. Sure it doesn't. Tip... you have to actually DO it, if you expect to find them. |
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| 05:03.17 | ArdomusMorty | i did do it |
| 05:03.24 | ArdomusMorty | and it returns none |
| 05:03.25 | llahm | Asturion: one seconds |
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| 05:03.36 | tga | is it possible to slide a server from sid to sarge without breaking things? |
| 05:03.43 | rgrep | ArdomusMorty: try the libmysqlclient*-dev packages |
| 05:03.58 | mwilson | rgrep: Now, don't tease him... he says there are no dev packages. |
| 05:04.04 | Daemon | where can i download the latest version of sarge? |
| 05:04.11 | matthew-gray | tga, that would be a difficult downgrade |
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| 05:04.41 | StupidMop | how can i get libao working on my laptop so i can play mp3s using mpg123 ? |
| 05:04.48 | llahm | Asturion: OK, OOo supports PDF output. Also, http://tex2pdf.berlios.de/lyx-howto.htm has a tool for outputting PDF from LyX |
| 05:04.49 | matthew-gray | Daemon, you would be best serverd using the netinstall d-i installer |
| 05:05.07 | tga | matthew-gray: I'm thinking about not upgrading anything until sarge passes by and then switching to testing |
| 05:05.16 | mwilson | When did mpg123 start caring about libao? |
| 05:05.17 | llahm | StupidMop: I did not remember that package depending on a libao. |
| 05:05.20 | tga | matthew-gray: is that possible? |
| 05:05.51 | matthew-gray | tga, if you are already running sid/unstable then you will be downgrading to sarge no matter what |
| 05:05.53 | StupidMop | mwilson & llahm: when i try to play an mp3 it gives the message "can't find a suitable libao driver" |
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| 05:06.13 | Daemon | matthew-gray - if i use the net installer, will it replace files that are missing in my old install? |
| 05:06.36 | matthew-gray | Daemon, it will overwrite everything if you are not careful |
| 05:06.41 | llahm | mwilson, StupidMop: I just checked PDO, it only depends on libc. |
| 05:06.43 | tga | matthew-gray: how long do I have to wait so that sarge has newer packages than my current sid? |
| 05:06.53 | tga | matthew-gray: or it doesn't work that way? |
| 05:06.57 | matthew-gray | Daemon, it has full disk manipulation and fsck tools in it |
| 05:06.59 | mwilson | llahm: Thank you, I know what it depends on. |
| 05:07.05 | Daemon | matthew-gray - i cannot loose whats on my server currently |
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| 05:07.15 | matthew-gray | tga, it doesn't work that way |
| 05:07.28 | matthew-gray | tga, currently sarge is also the same as testing |
| 05:07.30 | llahm | mwilson: sorry i was just confirming it. heaven forbid i inconvenience the great mwilson by attempting to be helpful |
| 05:07.34 | Daemon | i really need help with this, if i pay u will u help me through it, im desperate |
| 05:07.39 | StupidMop | llahm mwilson: it's installed fine. but when i play it, it says it "can't find a suitable libao driver" i know there is an option to use other devicetypes |
| 05:07.47 | matthew-gray | tga, so you may see me write it as testing/sarge |
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| 05:08.22 | Daemon | matthew-gray - i really need help with this, if i pay u will u help me through it, im desperate |
| 05:08.24 | matthew-gray | Daemon, you can do an install as an overwrite but you are risking a lot |
| 05:08.24 | Daemon | ? |
| 05:08.31 | llahm | StupidMop: alright, probably what's happening is that it tries libao when other stuff fails |
| 05:08.43 | llahm | StupidMop: so i think it is a red herring and there is some other problem |
| 05:08.52 | llahm | StupidMop: start with the simplest possible thing |
| 05:08.56 | Daemon | matthew-gray - basically i need to replace /usr/bin and /usr/sbin |
| 05:09.00 | llahm | StupidMop: cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp |
| 05:09.14 | matthew-gray | Daemon, hmmm... tempting offer, but lets see what we can do here first |
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| 05:09.32 | llahm | StupidMop: if that does not complain / fail but no sound, try tweaking alsamixer until you get some noise |
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| 05:10.10 | matthew-gray | Daemon, i just offered private chat to you |
| 05:10.20 | Daemon | yea it wouldnt do it for some reason |
| 05:10.25 | StupidMop | llahm: it said no such device |
| 05:10.35 | matthew-gray | Daemon, so we don't clutter this list |
| 05:10.38 | llahm | StupidMop: ok. something else might not be set up right. |
| 05:10.41 | Daemon | ive pm'd u |
| 05:10.59 | llahm | StupidMop: you probably need to check the dmesg output from the kernel |
| 05:11.13 | llahm | StupidMop: and make sure you have a kernel module that is right for your sound card |
| 05:11.18 | llahm | StupidMop: with the lsmod command |
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| 05:11.38 | llahm | uname |
| 05:11.52 | StupidMop | llahm: it's a laptop. so how do i know what card "should" be there? :-\ |
| 05:12.29 | llahm | StupidMop: hold on |
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| 05:13.13 | llahm | StupidMop: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -print will get you a list of possible modules |
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| 05:13.37 | llahm | StupidMop: then run the dmesg command and use shift-pgup to scroll through and look for sound related messages |
| 05:13.59 | llahm | StupidMop: and try modprobe module to see if some driver module will load up |
| 05:14.01 | peterS | llahm: as will modprobe -l |
| 05:14.16 | llahm | peterS: ah, i'm somewhat of a coreutils nut |
| 05:14.18 | Asturion | if i get a message in debian sarge/unstable with kernel 2.6.8, say kernel panic. blah blah, and the server freeze |
| 05:14.23 | llahm | peterS: so i forgot about this |
| 05:14.31 | Asturion | what can i do for check logs? |
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| 05:14.36 | peterS | llahm: I didn't even know about modprobe -l until someone mentioned it recently on #debian here |
| 05:14.59 | takatumi | Asturion: did you set up initrd? |
| 05:15.25 | Asturion | yes, using initrd |
| 05:15.42 | ecliptik | initrd, ewwww, makes my skin crawl (as I hope to god that my new kernel starts up) |
| 05:15.42 | enola | can some body help me change a read a mounted mass storage device from user account |
| 05:15.46 | Asturion | and ext3 and raid modules is in initrd image |
| 05:15.46 | takatumi | Asturion: is this during boot? |
| 05:15.51 | llahm | peterS: ah |
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| 05:15.55 | enola | can some body help me change or read a mounted mass storage device from user account |
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| 05:16.06 | Asturion | is in random time |
| 05:16.10 | llahm | StupidMop: usually, modules will fail to load if you pick the wrong one |
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| 05:16.24 | llahm | StupidMop: sometimes it works anyways, but it won't harm anything to test them |
| 05:16.33 | peterS | llahm: not true of a lot of modules in kernel 2.6. the assumption is that the hardware might be hotplug and you wanted the module for later |
| 05:16.41 | llahm | StupidMop: and generally you will get some messages if it finds the hardware you need |
| 05:16.55 | llahm | peterS: ah, i did not know that they changed this |
| 05:17.09 | llahm | peterS: the only linux box i have is ultrasparc desktop right now |
| 05:17.10 | peterS | llahm: it's a per-module thing, so it's not like they're *all* that way. but that's the general trend now |
| 05:17.20 | llahm | peterS: though soon i'll be getting a dual opteron |
| 05:17.38 | llahm | peterS: have not decided if i want to go windows server 2003 or debian |
| 05:17.44 | Asturion | llahm: okey mickey |
| 05:17.55 | llahm | Asturion: perfect |
| 05:18.58 | Asturion | takatumi: then what you think? |
| 05:19.16 | llahm | Asturion: or should i say, buenamente! |
| 05:19.25 | takatumi | Asturion: it is not initrd related, probably a bug in the kernel. |
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| 05:19.56 | Asturion | takatumi: when it happend, i need to use the old tecnic from guindows. |
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| 05:20.35 | Asturion | takatumi: but, when i need to view the logs, i don't seek where is it |
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| 05:21.25 | llahm | you know, if a person comes in with account name knoppix, a bot should message them "Debian is not Knoppix!" |
| 05:21.26 | Asturion | takatumi: may be when the raid sync, no logs has been loged. |
| 05:22.00 | llahm | what is the irc equivalent of an RFC as exists for SMTP and other such conventions? |
| 05:22.25 | C17H21NO4 | What is a good console mail client with pop support? |
| 05:22.53 | llahm | C17H21NO4: mutt is popular |
| 05:22.55 | kelan | C17H21NO4: mutt? |
| 05:22.59 | Asturion | C17H21NO4: may be emacs shell? |
| 05:23.07 | peterS | llahm: irc has rfcs |
| 05:23.11 | llahm | C17H21NO4: you can make $CLIENT support this by using the fetchmail tool |
| 05:23.25 | llahm | peterS: lol, cool. i didn't think it would be serious enough to get one. |
| 05:23.36 | peterS | llahm: believe it or not, the first google hit for "irc rfc" lists them |
| 05:23.42 | kelan | !mutt |
| 05:23.42 | dpkg | mutt is probably the official mailer of Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.mutt.org/) or better than pine or with message threading, built-in PGP support, and more config options than you can count, or check out http://www.mutt.org/links.html#config, or more Free than pine |
| 05:23.43 | peterS | even in the google blurb |
| 05:23.49 | llahm | peterS: i figured it would not have been worth a google |
| 05:23.55 | kelan | dpkg, you rock! |
| 05:23.56 | dpkg | thanks, kelan |
| 05:23.59 | kelan | heh |
| 05:24.00 | llahm | peterS: i'll think again net time i need an rfc |
| 05:24.07 | kelan | talking to bots is fun |
| 05:24.15 | llahm | kelan: word to your legal guardian |
| 05:24.18 | kelan | dpkg, how old are you? |
| 05:24.18 | dpkg | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
| 05:24.31 | kelan | wow, thats old |
| 05:24.42 | peterS | llahm: rfc 1459 is quite readable. the protocol is mostly text-based and looks a lot like your typical client commands. i.e., the client commands are mapped pretty closely to the protocol itself |
| 05:24.45 | kelan | i didnt think debian existed 900 years ago |
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| 05:25.02 | Asturion | debian is very old... |
| 05:25.06 | peterS | kelan: it didn't. the dpkg bot migrated from sco unix |
| 05:25.07 | llahm | peterS: yeah i telnetted into an irc server before and managed to join a channel by guessing |
| 05:25.09 | Asturion | like genius from the bottle |
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| 05:25.22 | llahm | peterS: the server is pretty forgiving if you screw with conventions |
| 05:25.22 | cordovan | moin |
| 05:25.33 | llahm | peterS: i just want to make a "debian is not knoppix" bot |
| 05:25.50 | llahm | peterS: and for shits and giggles i'll do it with gawk tcp/ip extensions |
| 05:25.52 | peterS | llahm: yeah. you almost get the idea the original irc protocol was designed by people who did use telnet for it |
| 05:25.57 | llahm | peterS: it will be hilarious |
| 05:26.01 | peterS | llahm: use Net::IRC; |
| 05:26.25 | Asturion | peterS: cpan module? |
| 05:26.26 | llahm | peterS: i bet before they had ncurses that was probably pretty much what you did |
| 05:26.44 | peterS | llahm: anyway, an awkbot has already been done. it uses inetd for its internet connection, IIRC, or netcat, or something like that. talk to irc user 'tag' |
| 05:26.53 | peterS | llahm: he hangs out in #perl, of all places (: |
| 05:27.24 | llahm | peterS: yeah but actually, there is a builtin socket capability in gawk now |
| 05:27.27 | peterS | Asturion: cpan? what is this cpan of which you speak? in debian we only have apt-get install libnet-irc-perl |
| 05:27.35 | llahm | peterS: and it doesn't use lame back / frond end stuff |
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| 05:28.26 | llahm | peterS: http://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/gawkinet/gawkinet.html |
| 05:29.02 | peterS | Asturion: in all seriousness you *can* autogenerate a debian package from cpan, using 'dh-make-perl --cpan Net::IRC' |
| 05:29.40 | Asturion | peterS: ooooohhh, i never see them before |
| 05:30.26 | peterS | Asturion: of course it has to guess at a lot of stuff, so you'd want to massage the packaging somewhat before actually uploading it to ftp.debian.org. but it does a reasonable job, considering it is 100% automated |
| 05:30.30 | kingsley | Why would one color stop printing, even after trying two new ink cartridges? |
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| 05:31.44 | peterS | kingsley: is it blue that won't print? maybe you live in a red state |
| 05:31.53 | furrywolf | kingsley: is the print head part of the printer, or do you replace it with the cartridge? (i.e. are there a heck of a lot of shiny contacts on the cartridge, or is the cartridge just an ink tank) |
| 05:31.55 | llahm | kingsley: f0ck |
| 05:32.01 | llahm | kingsley: what brand? |
| 05:32.35 | Asturion | peterS: in debian, i read it is posible to compile from source like in emerge / portage from gentoo |
| 05:32.44 | myren | uggg, this hideous scary man next to me in the comp lab keeps bouncing in his chair |
| 05:32.45 | Asturion | peterS: its' true? |
| 05:32.47 | kingsley | peterS: Why, yes, as a matter of fact, it IS blue that stopped printing, but my printer assures me that its apolitical. |
| 05:33.02 | peterS | Asturion: 'apt-get build-dep foo' as root. then 'apt-get -b source foo' to download and build |
| 05:33.17 | furrywolf | and, next question, is it an Epson that someone let sit with no ink in it? :) |
| 05:33.20 | llahm | does anybody know of a late night burger joint in seattle besides dick's diner? the people at dick's are dicks and won't let you pick what toppings you want |
| 05:33.25 | peterS | Asturion: but you can't globally customise your compile environment and configure flags, like you can in gentoo, so there's not a lot of point to doing this in such an automated fashion |
| 05:33.27 | kingsley | furrywolf: The print head is part of the printer, and I've already replaced the cartridge twice. |
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| 05:33.41 | kingsley | llahm: Epson Stylus C82. |
| 05:33.51 | llahm | kingsley: oh good, i know some tips |
| 05:34.05 | peterS | kingsley: oh well, so much for that theory |
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| 05:34.45 | Asturion | peterS: ok, thanks... |
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| 05:35.10 | stouset | Anyone been having problems with debconf lately? :-) |
| 05:35.14 | furrywolf | run it through about 20 print head cleaning cycles (escputil -c). if that doesn't work, get some denatured alcohol and a syringe, and while running it through a cleaning cycle, squirt the alcohol onto the pad/suction cup for the color cartridge. make sure the cup is intact, and that the alcohol is sucked into the pad during the middle-ish stage of cleaning. squirt alcohol on it every chance you get during the cycle, then let sit for a ha |
| 05:35.19 | llahm | kingsley: power on the printer, move the print head into ink change position, then put fantastik brand cleaner on the foam head cleaning/resting pads |
| 05:35.20 | peterS | Asturion: however, 'apt-get source foo' and then 'cd foo-*' and poke around the debian/rules file before building it, *then* you've got yourself a custom package. |
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| 05:35.59 | llahm | kingsley: furrywolf's method is the same idea, but the fantastik method is quick and easy and usually works |
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| 05:36.12 | furrywolf | denatured alcohol works too. :) |
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| 05:36.33 | Asturion | furrywolf: yes, for make you a blind man |
| 05:36.34 | llahm | furrywolf: word to your legal guardian |
| 05:36.35 | stouset | Any time Debconf runs, I see: Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Format/822.pm line 57, <$__ANONIO__> line 23005. |
| 05:36.41 | llahm | Asturion: lol! |
| 05:36.52 | stouset | The line numbers change. |
| 05:37.07 | kingsley | furrywolf & llahm: LSD`: I used to suspect clogged print heads, but, NONE of them print, and it seems unlikely to me that every last one of them would have clogged. |
| 05:37.17 | peterS | stouset: the line 57 doesn't change, right? |
| 05:37.39 | stouset | as far as I can tell. But the very last line says 51. |
| 05:37.40 | furrywolf | kingsley: every last one of them can, and does, clog. why do you think two random people in here know about brute-force cleaning methods? :) |
| 05:37.43 | llahm | kingsley: you never know, it's worth a try |
| 05:38.00 | llahm | kingsley: i have seen it happen to my friend's wide format one |
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| 05:38.13 | llahm | kingsley: cause he uses the shit out of it like a cheap las vegas whore |
| 05:38.42 | furrywolf | took me about a week to go from 0 nozzles to 160 nozzles firing. :) |
| 05:38.47 | Asturion | i need go to bed |
| 05:38.49 | stouset | peterS: any insight?/ |
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| 05:38.58 | llahm | kingsley: another issue |
| 05:38.59 | peterS | stouset: I'm looking at the source file to see if it's anything obvious |
| 05:39.02 | Asturion | and sleep too |
| 05:39.05 | Asturion | lol |
| 05:39.08 | llahm | kingsley: when you soak the cleaner sponges |
| 05:39.16 | llahm | kingsley: let it go at least a day or two |
| 05:39.26 | llahm | kingsley: or it will only piss you off |
| 05:39.26 | stouset | peterS: It happens with other pm files as well. |
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| 05:39.37 | llahm | kingsley: and waste the capacity on the cartridge chips |
| 05:39.39 | furrywolf | llahm: stylus 1520 by any chance? |
| 05:39.46 | llahm | kingsley: cause the chips get deducted |
| 05:40.00 | peterS | stouset: nothing jumps out at me. I'm guessing you have something in /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat or config.dat that it's disagreeing with for some reason |
| 05:40.02 | llahm | kingsley: every time you do a priming cycle |
| 05:40.12 | stouset | peterS: I'm pasting it, one sec |
| 05:40.15 | llahm | kingsley: even if you do not use any ink cause it can't get out |
| 05:40.55 | furrywolf | I filled an empty cartridge with alcohol to do cleaning cycles on one of them... worked pretty well. but alcohol on the pads works better. |
| 05:41.04 | llahm | furrywolf: no, 1280 |
| 05:41.05 | paster | "stouset" at 68.211.18.221 pasted "Debconf problems" (249 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/28 |
| 05:41.18 | stouset | It's longer than that, but I think you'll get the gist. |
| 05:41.27 | furrywolf | make sure whatever you squirt on the pads gets sucked in during the cleaning cycle, and that the rubber cup is intact... otherwise cleaning/priming is broken! |
| 05:41.27 | llahm | furrywolf: the on top method only gets above the clog and it doesn't like to soak in from there |
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| 05:41.52 | llahm | furrywolf: better to go from the bottom where all the clog particles usually form |
| 05:41.58 | stouset | peterS: a wc -l shows 24559 lines of that =P |
| 05:42.03 | llahm | furrywolf: and fuck are the printheads expensive |
| 05:42.04 | furrywolf | llahm: the printer I did it on didn't have clogged nozzles, but ones that fired in all random directions... the alcohol cartridge cleared it up nicely. :) |
| 05:42.10 | llahm | furymore than a printer |
| 05:42.19 | llahm | furrywolf: lol that's hilarious |
| 05:42.25 | llahm | furrywolf: how could that happen? |
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| 05:42.47 | llahm | furrywolf: that's on more crack than sTone_heAd must have been when he picked that nickname |
| 05:42.59 | sparr_ | rgrep: i want to figure out how to use framebuffer modules |
| 05:43.10 | peterS | stouset: heh, yeah, I get the drift all right. I still bet it's a corrupt or weird value in /var/cache/debconf/*.dat |
| 05:43.11 | rgrep | sparr_: for graphical text mode? |
| 05:43.12 | furrywolf | dried ink stuck in the very ends of the nozzles would be my guess. the printer had a habit of developing the problem every time you turned it off... |
| 05:43.15 | llahm | sparr_: *shudder* |
| 05:43.20 | furrywolf | llahm: huh? |
| 05:43.25 | sparr_ | rgrep: yes |
| 05:43.26 | llahm | furrywolf: aww, that's bs |
| 05:43.36 | stouset | peterS: Recommended steps to solve? :-) |
| 05:43.41 | llahm | furrywolf: how in hell can you use it if it messes up every time you power it off |
| 05:43.44 | sparr_ | llahm: one of 4 possible solutions to a problem im having. the ugliest of the 4, but the one im closest to implementing |
| 05:43.58 | rgrep | sparr_: do you have support for your video card's framebuffer compiled into your kernel? |
| 05:44.00 | llahm | sparr_: what is the problem |
| 05:44.17 | furrywolf | it was either ink dried on or in the nozzles. running an alcohol-soaked paper towel through it also helped. soaking it in the cups though didn't make much difference; it liked the towel rubbing on it. |
| 05:44.21 | peterS | stouset: read /var/cache/debconf/config.dat and see if it seems sane, I guess. I *think* you can blow away templates.dat without consequence but I'm not entirely sure of that, so back it up if you want to try it |
| 05:44.25 | technos | llahm: There aren't any really, unless you want to drive downtown to eat at a dive or do McDonalds. |
| 05:44.31 | furrywolf | then I got a new ink cartridge, and all the problems went away. :) |
| 05:44.42 | llahm | technos: yeah that's what i was afraid of |
| 05:44.51 | sparr_ | rgrep: no, as a module |
| 05:44.59 | llahm | technos: i miss in-n-out back in CA so much |
| 05:45.06 | sparr_ | llahm: the real problem, or the framebuffer problem? |
| 05:45.07 | llahm | technos: also the liquor stores piss me off |
| 05:45.08 | furrywolf | I've spent way, way too much time finding creative ways to unclog epsons. :) |
| 05:45.12 | llahm | technos: they close at 10 |
| 05:45.13 | rgrep | sparr_: i'm not sure if that will work |
| 05:45.26 | stouset | peterS: config.dat appears sane |
| 05:45.31 | sparr_ | rgrep: me either, but it seems REALLY stupid to allow them to be built as modules, and waste package space on them, if it wont |
| 05:45.47 | furrywolf | I've got, right now, 3 epson printers connected to this computer... another epson in the other room... and two in the garage... |
| 05:45.53 | llahm | technos: this place could definitely use some upgrades in the food and drink department |
| 05:45.54 | technos | llahm: Yeah.. I've only been out here a couple years, and the liquor stores still annoy me.. Better than a dry county though. |
| 05:45.56 | sparr_ | rgrep: someone on the kernel dev team thinks theres a reason to allow them to be built as modules, and im relying on that wisdom right now |
| 05:46.06 | llahm | technos: other than that it's pretty cool though |
| 05:46.19 | furrywolf | they work great, as long as you don't let them sit without ink. but if you let them sit with no cartirdges or with empty cartridges, time to get creative with cleaning them... |
| 05:46.22 | llahm | technos: i used to live here when i was a little kid, back then i didn't vive a shit |
| 05:46.29 | llahm | technos: but now it bothers me |
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| 05:46.50 | furrywolf | and, of course, I got all of them used... every one of which was allowed to sit without ink. |
| 05:46.51 | stouset | peterS: seems to be fixed by blowing away templates.dat. Thanks. What is templates.dat, if I may ask? |
| 05:46.53 | kingsley | furrywolf: Thanks for your candid suggestions. |
| 05:47.08 | llahm | technos: it isn't all bad though, if i go out on dates i don't have to worry about other women hearing if it doesn't go well cause i'll be gone again soon and none of them know me anyways |
| 05:47.16 | llahm | technos: so at least there's that, haha |
| 05:47.26 | peterS | stouset: those are all the questions debconf asks you when you install packages, and what those questions mean, and what priority they are at, and translated into your native language, and so forth |
| 05:47.30 | technos | llahm: I'm from the east coast.. What I want out here is a real sliders joint.. I want a Halo Burger, or a White castle. |
| 05:47.40 | llahm | technos: that would be sweet too |
| 05:47.48 | llahm | technos: i could live with one of those |
| 05:47.50 | stouset | peterS: I see... |
| 05:47.55 | furrywolf | bbl... going to have a snack then head to bed. garage sales tomorrow! maybe I'll pick up another clogged epson. :) |
| 05:48.02 | peterS | stouset: config.dat is your answers to said questions |
| 05:48.03 | stouset | peterS: What generates it? |
| 05:48.05 | llahm | furrywolf: lol hahaha |
| 05:48.12 | llahm | furrywolf: used to go with my grandpa |
| 05:48.13 | peterS | stouset: it's generated by individual packages as you install them |
| 05:48.22 | llahm | furrywolf: until he died from undiagnosed leukemia |
| 05:48.32 | peterS | stouset: that is, each package has its own templates and debconf aggregates them into templates.dat as you go |
| 05:48.40 | furrywolf | got my 1520 for $5... the pair of 900s for $5/each... my photo 750 for $1... and the two in the garage are cheap crap I don't use. :) |
| 05:48.43 | llahm | furrywolf: they didn't even see anything wrong healthwise until it ate 2/3 of his marrow |
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| 05:49.00 | furrywolf | the 1520 does beautiful 14x19" prints on photo paper |
| 05:49.01 | llahm | furrywolf: by then you're pretty much fucked even if you're young |
| 05:49.12 | stouset | peterS: Aye, just figured that out on my own. Suppose I should have done that before asking. I wondered because templates.dat didn't have anything in it after I finished the upgrade. But doing a dpkg-reconfigure dash and answering the question repopulated templates.dat with some content. |
| 05:49.16 | stouset | peterS: Thanks for the help. |
| 05:49.17 | furrywolf | only took about two bloody weeks to get all the nozzles to fire, after 3 years sitting with empty ink cartirdges. :) |
| 05:49.24 | llahm | furrywolf: lol two weeks |
| 05:49.29 | llahm | furrywolf: how active? |
| 05:49.39 | llahm | furrywolf: like, soak in solvent and wait two feeks |
| 05:49.45 | peterS | stouset: right. the fact that it lives in /var/cache/ is supposed to mean the data can be regenerated from the rest of the system without problems |
| 05:49.45 | llahm | furrywolf: or fuck with it every god damn day |
| 05:49.55 | furrywolf | each day I'd do a few test prints, note a few more nozzles worked, refill the cups with random cleaner, turn off until tomorrow... |
| 05:50.02 | llahm | furrywolf: until you go off your bloody rockers |
| 05:50.03 | peterS | stouset: whether user answers should be in /var/cache/ is up for debate. that's a philosophical point |
| 05:50.27 | furrywolf | I was willing to put that much effort into a printer that does excellent 14x19" photo prints. :) |
| 05:50.30 | llahm | peterS: seems like /etc/dpkg/ would be better |
| 05:50.45 | llahm | furrywolf: sure, i could see why |
| 05:50.51 | llahm | furrywolf: but how did you stay sane |
| 05:51.06 | llahm | furrywolf: it would piss me off so much i don't know how i could go through with it |
| 05:51.06 | peterS | llahm: I'd say /var/lib/debconf/. /etc is mainly for human-maintained state, not program-maintained state |
| 05:51.12 | llahm | furrywolf: oh wait |
| 05:51.12 | stouset | peterS: any reading material on why it's in /var/cache? :-) |
| 05:51.18 | furrywolf | after fixing it, I've probably done 100 14x19" prints and run 10 ink cartridges through it, without any problems other than the occasional missed paper feed. |
| 05:51.19 | llahm | furrywolf: print porn when i was done |
| 05:51.22 | llahm | furrywolf: that'd be ok |
| 05:51.23 | peterS | stouset: can't think of any |
| 05:51.34 | llahm | furrywolf: that would make it worthwhile ;-) |
| 05:51.38 | furrywolf | heh. I don't like porn. was printing glossy posters. |
| 05:51.41 | stouset | peterS: Fair enough. Thanks again. |
| 05:51.44 | llahm | furrywolf: that works |
| 05:51.53 | peterS | stouset: the point is that the debconf answers aren't supposed to be treated as direct configuration, but as *answers* to questions. the actual configuration of each package is elsewhere, and is only *generated* from debconf answers, at install time |
| 05:52.12 | llahm | peterS: hmm but lib? |
| 05:52.22 | furrywolf | something's wrong with the clutch on the paper feed, but it's not worth fixing. it takes an hour or so per page... I don't mind poking it when it doesn't grab the paper every couple hours. :) |
| 05:52.23 | peterS | stouset: this is true of gpm, for example, which I comaintain. it stores configuration in /etc/gpm.conf but uses debconf to populate that file initially. |
| 05:52.36 | furrywolf | 1440dpi on 14x19" glossy paper == slow! |
| 05:52.39 | rgrep | sparr_: ahh, i've found what you need |
| 05:52.51 | llahm | furrywolf: ffs, that'd be 20 minutes a print |
| 05:52.52 | rgrep | sparr_: you need to install fbset |
| 05:52.52 | peterS | stouset: and in turn it repopulates the debconf database from /etc/gpm.conf before asking you any questions |
| 05:52.58 | sparr_ | rgrep: done |
| 05:53.00 | furrywolf | it's over an hour |
| 05:53.04 | furrywolf | (voice of experience. :) |
| 05:53.21 | furrywolf | and uses a fifth an ink cartridge! |
| 05:53.45 | furrywolf | fortunately ebay carts for this printer are dirt cheap ($0.50/each).... |
| 05:53.47 | llahm | $(grep PATIENCE furrywolf | wc -l)==100000 |
| 05:53.55 | sparr_ | furrywolf: you should have had it printed at kinkos :) |
| 05:54.00 | sparr_ | faster, probably cheaper |
| 05:54.04 | sparr_ | ok, not cheaper |
| 05:54.04 | llahm | sparr_: no they'd charge way more |
| 05:54.08 | llahm | sparr_: overpriced |
| 05:54.10 | llahm | sparr_: lol@ |
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| 05:54.24 | llahm | sparr_: independent print shops are pretty pimp though |
| 05:54.25 | peterS | sparr_: oh, btw, how is stm? I never heard if you got it to work with your geforce |
| 05:54.26 | stouset | peterS: interesting |
| 05:54.37 | llahm | the one at my university does 11x17 color copies for 10c US each |
| 05:54.38 | sparr_ | peterS: its horribly broken, i uninstalled it |
| 05:54.45 | stouset | peterS: well, either way I'm just ecstatic that debconf is working again :-) |
| 05:54.47 | llahm | incl gloss paper |
| 05:54.50 | furrywolf | sparr: kinkos wants like fscking $20... including paper, ink, and the $5 I paid for the printer, I did about $0.20/page, for photo-quality on glossy paper. |
| 05:54.52 | peterS | stouset: heh, good deal |
| 05:54.56 | sparr_ | peterS: it could do the non-video-mode stuff fine, just changing fonts |
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| 05:55.11 | llahm | furrywolf: 20 bux? fuck that up the asshole sideways with a big rubber dick |
| 05:55.16 | peterS | sparr_: changing fonts is done by calling an external program anyway - stm doesn't mess with it directly |
| 05:55.30 | sparr_ | peterS: but any time it tried to change video modes ("reprogram" the video card) it screwed up in varying ways |
| 05:55.40 | llahm | furrywolf: did you tell them to go suck a dick sideways when they quoted that price or what? |
| 05:55.46 | furrywolf | I don't recall the exact price, but it was somewhere around there. |
| 05:55.53 | furrywolf | to do glossy prints |
| 05:55.57 | furrywolf | on 14x19 |
| 05:56.02 | peterS | sparr_: well hmmm. maybe nvidia finally broke backward compatibility for simple mode programming, which they'd kept from the riva128 through like the geforce 3 or 4 at least |
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| 05:56.19 | llahm | peterS: seems unlikely |
| 05:56.28 | sparr_ | peterS: im trying to get framebuffer working now, skip all this nonsense |
| 05:56.31 | llahm | peterS: i thought most mode switching followed VESA |
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| 05:56.46 | peterS | llahm: svgatextmode doesn't. it programs your card directly. meaning, it can do a lot of things vesa can't |
| 05:56.47 | sparr_ | llahm: it does, but there are no VESA tools that dont require vesafb |
| 05:56.57 | sparr_ | and i cant get vesafb to work! |
| 05:57.07 | llahm | sparr_: what peterS says is relevant though |
| 05:57.14 | furrywolf | welp, I need to bbl... snack, sleep. |
| 05:57.16 | peterS | he knows (: |
| 05:57.17 | sparr_ | rgrep: any tips beyond installing fbset? doesnt do me any good when im not using a fb yet |
| 05:57.39 | llahm | What the world needs is more humble geniuses; there are so few of us left. |
| 05:57.46 | furrywolf | LOL |
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| 05:57.49 | peterS | sparr_: so, rivafb doesn't work either? I confess I know little about the care and feeding of linux kernel framebuffers - I generally avoid them |
| 05:57.52 | llahm | furrywolf: ;-) |
| 05:58.03 | damripp | finally got my yukon marvel NIC working!@!! |
| 05:58.05 | llahm | peterS: they are to be avoided |
| 05:58.09 | furrywolf | if you happen to find a way to make a designjet 220 work, I'd be more than happy to hear it. :) |
| 05:58.10 | peterS | llahm: heh |
| 05:58.20 | llahm | peterS: no i'm not even trolling |
| 05:58.24 | peterS | I nkow |
| 05:58.26 | furrywolf | then I can print on my pile of 25x38" paper. :) |
| 05:58.27 | damripp | now some simple problems. mounting. |
| 05:58.27 | sparr_ | peterS: i havent gotten to try any of the FBs yet. im wanting to try vesafb though, the official nvidia drivers dont play nice with rivafb |
| 05:58.30 | llahm | peterS: i am force to use it on sparc and it's ugly |
| 05:58.54 | damripp | mount -a /dev/hdb2 /home/damripp/hdb2/ |
| 05:59.07 | llahm | peterS: so ugly it makes a horse's asshole look like fucking jessica alba or something |
| 05:59.12 | damripp | i can see files. but cannot write or read. |
| 05:59.19 | peterS | llahm: TMI |
| 05:59.25 | llahm | furrywolf: well fuck me running dude! you are out of control |
| 05:59.30 | damripp | when i go and do a 'mount' it tells me its (rw) |
| 05:59.31 | llahm | peterS: that's my specialty |
| 05:59.39 | sparr_ | peterS: if you know any kernel/fb gurus, point me in their direction :) |
| 05:59.39 | damripp | /dev/hdb2 on /home/damripp/hdb2 type vfat (rw) |
| 05:59.42 | llahm | damripp: that didn't sound so good ;-) |
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| 05:59.52 | peterS | sparr_: I really don't |
| 05:59.54 | furrywolf | I have 4 connected to this computer right now... |
| 05:59.57 | llahm | sparr_: all i can say is you need to talk with #nvidia in peak hours |
| 05:59.58 | furrywolf | bbl :) |
| 06:00.15 | llahm | sparr_: because unfortunately fb knowledge is very kernel and card specific |
| 06:00.27 | llahm | sparr_: all of the stuff i know about it on sparc won't help you in the least |
| 06:00.58 | llahm | sparr_: and i never used a new enough version on pc often enough to be able to help you there, even though my former linux pcs were nvidia systems |
| 06:01.09 | furrywolf | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46724&item=7507904143&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW <== the plotter I have... but no linux driver! |
| 06:01.31 | furrywolf | it sits unused in my closet... |
| 06:01.38 | sparr_ | llahm: i doubt vesafb is card specific :) |
| 06:01.43 | llahm | furrywolf: hold on a sec i might have a link |
| 06:01.53 | llahm | sparr_: it is though. |
| 06:01.53 | sparr_ | but youre right about it being a kernel matter |
| 06:01.56 | damripp | how do i mount a fat32 drive for RW access? |
| 06:01.56 | sparr_ | sadly #kernel is SO dead |
| 06:02.05 | furrywolf | and, no, the designjet 230 driver does NOT work with the 220, despite what some people say. |
| 06:02.08 | llahm | sparr_: sometimes it will not work on certain brands at certain times |
| 06:02.37 | sparr_ | llahm: that stuff i can work out later :) i just want to know how to use it, even if only to see that it doesnt work |
| 06:03.03 | technos | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46724&item=7 |
| 06:03.04 | furrywolf | right now I use it by lugging it (all 120 pounds of it or so) to a relative's house who has a windoze box... |
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| 06:03.10 | technos | Damnit. |
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| 06:03.27 | damripp | '/mount -a /dev/hdb2 /media/hdb2' ??? |
| 06:03.30 | llahm | furrywolf: yeah you are right, it won't work |
| 06:03.46 | llahm | furrywolf: i was checking the foomatic DB to see if they had a listing |
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| 06:03.58 | llahm | furrywolf: but at least they were wise enough not to list the 220 at all |
| 06:04.05 | llahm | furrywolf: they only had 230 |
| 06:04.06 | furrywolf | it works from windoze on my relative's box, but the quality is AWFUL. the driver only supports one dithering method: "stupid as all hell" |
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| 06:04.21 | llahm | furrywolf: that's BS |
| 06:04.40 | llahm | furrywolf: probably why nobody made a linux driver, maybe the hardware itself is not great |
| 06:04.47 | furrywolf | heh, dunno. |
| 06:05.00 | furrywolf | all I know is the print quality from windows is pathetic. |
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| 06:05.20 | llahm | furrywolf: most windows printing is pretty good |
| 06:05.28 | llahm | furrywolf: because otherwise the printers do not sell |
| 06:05.39 | llahm | furrywolf: so i would have to blame hp for fucking it up |
| 06:05.46 | rgrep | sparr_: what happens when you load your fb module? |
| 06:05.56 | llahm | furrywolf: i have bad luck with hp on any platform and always use epson or samsung |
| 06:06.06 | llahm | furrywolf: oh and lexmark |
| 06:06.10 | furrywolf | it doesn't dither well (uses ordered dithering at about 10dpi, even if you select 600dpi), and doesn't do any weaving, so has horrible banding... |
| 06:06.15 | furrywolf | I like epsons. |
| 06:06.20 | furrywolf | hate lexmark. :) |
| 06:06.22 | technos | The 220's stunk. Only time I ever saw anyone happy with em was the architect who used it to print one-ofs for circulation around the office. They're cheap to run. |
| 06:06.22 | llahm | furrywolf: but only lasers from lexmark |
| 06:06.30 | llahm | furrywolf: their inkjets are teh sux |
| 06:06.46 | llahm | technos: hence why nobody made a driver i bet! |
| 06:06.57 | llahm | now a days it seems almost impossible to find plotters |
| 06:06.57 | furrywolf | technos: I need to print one-off diagrams |
| 06:07.07 | furrywolf | about one a month |
| 06:07.08 | llahm | people use wide format inkjets instead |
| 06:07.23 | furrywolf | it is a wide-format inkjet. they just call it a plotter. 600dpi... |
| 06:07.30 | damripp | why cant i mount this damn HARD DRIVE |
| 06:07.34 | renegad3 | how could I get the mouse cursor to work in a virtual term? |
| 06:07.44 | furrywolf | yet even when you select 600dpi, the windows driver seems to use a lot closer to 60dpi... |
| 06:07.45 | llahm | damripp: you're too big for it |
| 06:07.54 | llahm | furrywolf: weird |
| 06:07.55 | damripp | hmm? |
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| 06:08.11 | llahm | damripp: lol you missed the punchline |
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| 06:08.20 | furrywolf | and gah! WEAVING IS GOOD! bands horribly with the windows driver... |
| 06:08.30 | rgrep | renegad3: run gpm |
| 06:08.37 | furrywolf | damripp: he's making bad sex-related jokes. consider other meanings of "mounting". |
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| 06:08.49 | renegad3 | ok ta |
| 06:08.57 | technos | Might want to look at the 600's.. Can prolly score one for a couple hundred bucks. |
| 06:08.59 | jellybear | hi there |
| 06:09.03 | damripp | shit. i would rather someone help me. |
| 06:09.05 | d03boy | anyone know what I need to do to get battery charge monitor to recognize my hardware so it will actually work? |
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| 06:09.13 | furrywolf | like I have a couple hundred bucks. :) |
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| 06:09.21 | caphuego | d03boy: one word: acpi |
| 06:09.24 | llahm | damripp: mental or physical? |
| 06:09.28 | TheMoebius | what does the t mean if permissions are drwx-wx-wt? |
| 06:09.36 | rgrep | damripp: what type of hard drive, what filesystem, what is going wrong? |
| 06:09.37 | psyklops | 6sticky |
| 06:09.38 | d03boy | ok, thats what I thought |
| 06:09.58 | technos | Sell the 220 to a rube for $150, then the new one is only $50! :) |
| 06:10.03 | rgrep | TheMoebius: t is the "sticky bit" |
| 06:10.17 | TheMoebius | hmm whats the sticky bit? |
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| 06:10.32 | psyklops | man chmod |
| 06:10.39 | rgrep | TheMoebius: since that directory is "world writable" anyway could delete anyone else's files in that dir. but with the sticky bit set they can only delete their own files. |
| 06:10.39 | psyklops | then do /sticky |
| 06:10.45 | llahm | technos: exactly! |
| 06:10.47 | furrywolf | technos: lol |
| 06:10.51 | furrywolf | I bought it for $5. :) |
| 06:10.54 | jellybear | bye there |
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| 06:11.31 | renegad3 | ahh thats crazi, thanks rgrep ;) |
| 06:11.31 | llahm | furrywolf: people are too dumb to know how to fix it / what it's worth / etc and just want rid of it |
| 06:11.38 | rgrep | renegad3: np |
| 06:11.45 | renegad3 | makes life a bit easier |
| 06:11.52 | llahm | sticky bits is teh rul3z |
| 06:11.53 | furrywolf | wasn't anything wrong with it. belt is a little worn, but still usable. |
| 06:12.09 | llahm | furrywolf: probably didn't know what to do with it |
| 06:12.12 | furrywolf | I've seen them go for $400 on ebay, although those didn't make belt-failing clunking noises. :) |
| 06:12.18 | rgrep | renegad3: if you're running X as well make sure you configure X to use /dev/gpmdata as the mouse device |
| 06:12.30 | rgrep | renegad3: otherwise gpm and X will fight over control of the mouse |
| 06:12.33 | renegad3 | ohh ok |
| 06:12.47 | renegad3 | rgrep, I shall do that |
| 06:13.04 | furrywolf | bbl |
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| 06:13.34 | rgrep | renegad3: the "repeat type" in gpm's config is the type of mouse it will output to /dev/gpmdata for X to use. So if you've configured X to use an IMPS/2 type mouse then make sure you tell gpm to "repeat" it as IMPS/2 |
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| 06:14.15 | renegad3 | rgrep, ok |
| 06:14.46 | llahm | rgrep: actually it works best if you repeat as raw |
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| 06:15.00 | llahm | rgrep: the imps/2 repeat type is sometimes teh b0rk3d |
| 06:15.21 | rgrep | llahm: that's true, raw is the best option unless it causes you problems |
| 06:15.36 | caphuego | oyg |
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| 06:16.26 | kenalex | i need some help |
| 06:16.33 | rgrep | kenalex: ask away |
| 06:16.46 | silverton | anyone have a date for when gnome 2.10 will be packaged? |
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| 06:16.57 | kenalex | i need a linux OS with a lot of software packages bundled with it |
| 06:17.14 | silverton | kenalex, knoppix is bootable and comes with 2GB of software |
| 06:17.17 | rgrep | kenalex: for desktop use? |
| 06:17.22 | kenalex | does debian come with more packages than mandrake and fedora |
| 06:17.38 | rgrep | kenalex: debian has around 17,000 packages |
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| 06:17.55 | rgrep | kenalex: but you would be hard pressed to need many of them |
| 06:18.02 | kenalex | rgrep:are thes desktop applications |
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| 06:18.27 | gpm | silverton: /msg dpkg wwsr...gnome2.10 will come out when sarge is finished...i think |
| 06:18.30 | technos | All the distributions come with the same core applications really. They may ship different versions, or slightly tweaked versions, but really they all have the same software when it boils down to it. |
| 06:18.49 | silverton | what is taking so long to get sarge finished? |
| 06:18.50 | kenalex | mandrake hardly comes with any |
| 06:18.56 | gpm | silverton: perfection |
| 06:19.04 | silverton | perfection takes too long, lol |
| 06:19.11 | silverton | I think it's pretty damn good as-is |
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| 06:19.17 | silverton | could use a newer default kernel though |
| 06:19.29 | helpmeplz | can anyone help me plz |
| 06:19.31 | gpm | silverton: that's the debian way man. |
| 06:19.40 | PBateman | by the time sarge gets released nasa will have cleared it to run the shuttle |
| 06:19.48 | gpm | silverton: they try to accomodate everyone, including really paranoid server admins. |
| 06:19.58 | silverton | heh... |
| 06:20.16 | gpm | silverton: if you don't like it, i honestly suggest ubuntu or something else better suited to your needs. that's what debian variants were created for. |
| 06:20.36 | helpmeplz | i need a pass fro a hotmail account can anyone help me out with that plz |
| 06:20.38 | gpm | debian's not changing anytime soon :P |
| 06:20.46 | supaman | gpm: isnt it allso that the other platforms take a long time? |
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| 06:20.48 | renegad3 | rgrep, should I use exps2. because I have more than 3 buttons? |
| 06:20.49 | silverton | I can't get ubuntu to work on my computer, and I already updated my kernel from sid sources |
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| 06:21.02 | silverton | I've used the ubuntu live cd, and I don't like it |
| 06:21.11 | silverton | debian, and gentoo are my favorite distros |
| 06:21.26 | gpm | supaman: /msg dpkg vancouver ... yes...but again, debian tries to accomodate everyone, including people on weird archs |
| 06:21.39 | helpmeplz | can anyone help me here plz i really need help |
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| 06:21.58 | technos | Nothing wrong with weird archs. |
| 06:22.09 | helpmeplz | can anyone crack a hotmail account pass for me plz |
| 06:22.31 | renegad3 | helpmeplz, I dont think it is appropriate to ask here... |
| 06:23.04 | helpmeplz | i understand but i really need help & its not for me its for my best friend |
| 06:23.14 | Daemon | helpmeplz - are u 11 or 12? |
| 06:23.46 | helpmeplz | what i dint get that |
| 06:23.48 | renegad3 | if you forgot got your pass its badluck |
| 06:23.58 | renegad3 | like they always say "shit happens" :D |
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| 06:24.40 | renegad3 | helpmeplz, ask your best mate to call up msn |
| 06:24.42 | Daemon | something tells me this aint his mailbox he's referring to |
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| 06:25.15 | helpmeplz | u r right daemon |
| 06:25.24 | Daemon | then go get a life |
| 06:25.39 | helpmeplz | its my friends fiance's mailbox |
| 06:25.43 | dondelelcaro | helpmeplz: uh, ask for crackers elsewhere. |
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| 06:26.57 | cleverAlf | installed memtest86 package and it put memtest86.bin in /boot but didn't update GRUB.. I've done some resarch on it but cant find anything that is really specific on how to add it to the menu.list... Any help?? TIA mike.. |
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| 06:27.56 | caphuego | dondelelcaro: sell me somz crack man |
| 06:28.18 | caphuego | oooaaahhh! |
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| 06:30.03 | jtza8 | How would I go about toggeling the system bell (kernel 2.6.*)? |
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| 06:30.46 | eth1 | anyone here knows iptables pretty well? |
| 06:31.15 | caphuego | eth1: We have sex sometimes, but I never call it afterwards. |
| 06:31.36 | cahoot | cleverAlf: tried /usr/share/doc/memtest8/examples ? |
| 06:31.36 | cleverAlf | jtza8, it's in the bash config somewhere... can't recall right off hand but something like bell=off or disable?? something like that.. |
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| 06:32.09 | cleverAlf | cahott: didn't see it... thanks.. let me have a quick look.. |
| 06:32.20 | rgrep | caphuego: when will it learn? the default policy should never be ACCEPT. ;) |
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| 06:32.35 | caphuego | rgrep: That's not iptables's fault. |
| 06:32.49 | caphuego | rgrep: ACCEPT is the default for when NO firewal is in place, eh? |
| 06:32.51 | eth1 | well, i'd simply like to reroute port 8082 on my lan interface (lan -> lan)... I can reroute port 8082 from outside -> inside, but can't reroute it inside... IE : 192.168.1.2 -> 192.168.1.5... but "the internet" -> 192.168.1.5:8082 is working fine... any hints? |
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| 06:33.20 | mofino-home | Hey, is it possible to grab a copy of the currently installed and NOT installed packages, take that to another fresh machine, and use it to set that machine's packages? |
| 06:33.24 | cleverAlf | cahoot: yup.. now.. do I have to run update_grub script ?? |
| 06:33.59 | cahoot | cleverAlf: I only edit the menu.lst |
| 06:34.03 | rgrep | mofino-home: yes, which distro? |
| 06:34.07 | cleverAlf | great... thanks... |
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| 06:34.08 | caphuego | eth1: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i <ethX> -p tcp --sport 8082 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.5:8082 |
| 06:34.13 | mofino-home | rgrep, sarge |
| 06:34.26 | caphuego | eth1: That should work for all machines, bot NOT localhost. |
| 06:34.32 | atbash | when i run base-config to configure my time(zone), i always get the message "Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method." This message appears also when i boot my pc... any clues? |
| 06:34.35 | mofino-home | rgrep, dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections is not what I want. |
| 06:34.44 | eth1 | caphuego : shouldn't it be dport? I tried it and it is not working... |
| 06:35.00 | rgrep | mofino-home: so you want the actual package files, not just a list? |
| 06:35.07 | caphuego | mofino-home: dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections is exactly what you want, though. |
| 06:35.08 | mofino-home | rgrep, I want the list. |
| 06:35.19 | mofino-home | caphuego, no it doesn't set _not installed_ packages |
| 06:35.23 | rgrep | mofino-home: what's wrong with get-selections then? |
| 06:35.39 | mofino-home | rgrep, I need it to set the packages to be removed basically. |
| 06:35.49 | mofino-home | I usually tear a crap load of stuff out of Debian |
| 06:35.50 | rgrep | mofino-home: but it does that |
| 06:35.55 | mofino-home | No |
| 06:36.00 | caphuego | mofino-home: Set EVERYTHING to be remved first, then run --set-selections from the list. |
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| 06:36.02 | mofino-home | It just sets what's to be installed. |
| 06:36.08 | rgrep | mofino-home: that's what the "deinstall" means |
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| 06:36.11 | cleverAlf | cahoot... is there anyway to run that WITHOUT rebooting? I've tried ./memtest86.bin in the /boot dir but it didn't run.. |
| 06:36.24 | mofino-home | rgrep, what do you mean? |
| 06:36.25 | cahoot | cleverAlf: no |
| 06:36.27 | rgrep | cleverAlf: you can't run it because it's a boot image |
| 06:36.29 | mofino-home | caphuego, that's tricky. |
| 06:36.32 | mofino-home | caphuego, but good idea. |
| 06:36.40 | rgrep | mofino-home: type this: dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall$ |
| 06:36.46 | rgrep | mofino-home: that will show you all the packages it will remove |
| 06:36.50 | cleverAlf | ok.. thanks... guess i'll have to loose 13 days uptime.. <g> |
| 06:36.59 | cleverAlf | have a great weekend.. |
| 06:37.00 | mofino-home | rgrep, nothing |
| 06:37.03 | mofino-home | rgrep, I purge. |
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| 06:37.27 | mofino-home | rgrep, it only returns "installed" packages. |
| 06:37.46 | rgrep | ok then, just run dpkg --get-selections on your friends machine and use diff to show you the packages that are in your friend's list but not in yours? |
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| 06:37.56 | rgrep | mofino-home: then just apt-get remove them |
| 06:38.10 | mofino-home | rgrep, I have 10 new servers to setup. I'm trying to create them all equally. |
| 06:38.30 | mofino-home | rgrep, I was hoping for an "easier" way, but I didn't think one existed. |
| 06:38.34 | mofino-home | And it doesn't :) |
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| 06:38.51 | rgrep | mofino-home: that way would be a piece of cake. you could automate it easily. |
| 06:38.55 | mofino-home | Usually I never do that many at once. |
| 06:38.56 | caphuego | mofino-home: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '{printf "%s deinstall\n", $2}' | dpkg --set-selections; dpkg--set-selections < my_other_list.txt |
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| 06:39.15 | mofino-home | caphuego, shit, thanks |
| 06:39.16 | caphuego | mofino-home: That marks all installed packaged for deinstall, THEN sets the ones from the list you made for install. |
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| 06:39.29 | mofino-home | caphuego, what's the purge command? |
| 06:39.33 | mofino-home | caphuego, purge? |
| 06:39.33 | mofino-home | heh |
| 06:39.36 | rgrep | dpkg -P |
| 06:39.44 | caphuego | mofino-home: You run that afetrwards. |
| 06:39.47 | rgrep | or apt-get remove --purge |
| 06:40.02 | caphuego | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge |
| 06:40.10 | mofino-home | Oh |
| 06:40.12 | mofino-home | Nice |
| 06:40.26 | caphuego | BOW TO THE POWER OF THE PIPE |
| 06:40.34 | mofino-home | Yes sir! |
| 06:40.40 | mofino-home | heh thanks man |
| 06:40.47 | mofino-home | Didn't think of doing it that way. |
| 06:41.02 | caphuego | mofino-home: Also see FAI. |
| 06:41.06 | caphuego | !fai |
| 06:41.06 | dpkg | somebody said fai was Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/, or at #fai |
| 06:41.16 | mofino-home | Ohhh realllyyy? |
| 06:41.29 | caphuego | Make an iso, let it do its thing. |
| 06:41.42 | mofino-home | Pretty mint. |
| 06:41.52 | mofino-home | I was thinking of doing that myself |
| 06:41.55 | mofino-home | With a USB strick |
| 06:41.57 | mofino-home | err stick |
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| 06:42.27 | caphuego | mofino-home: You can. Boot of usb, make it run the installer and rip data off NFS - all good :-) |
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| 06:42.40 | mofino-home | Oh boy, that's slick! |
| 06:42.45 | mofino-home | Damn thanks man |
| 06:42.51 | mofino-home | caphuego++ |
| 06:43.11 | caphuego | mofino-home: Mind you, I have NEVER used fai, so I can't help you with it. |
| 06:43.23 | mofino-home | Yeah no problem. |
| 06:43.28 | mofino-home | I must give this a whirl though. |
| 06:43.40 | mofino-home | I could farm off the installs to someone else. |
| 06:43.47 | technos | You could be extra slick. Toss all ten machines on the network, use the first installed system to serve up bootp/NFS to install the next nine. I did that with a load of Ultrasparcs once. |
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| 06:44.24 | eth1 | caphuego : shouldn't it be dport? I tried it and it is not working... |
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| 06:44.28 | eth1 | caphuego : shouldn't it be dport? I tried it and it is not working... |
| 06:44.46 | eth1 | ooops sorryt |
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| 06:45.15 | d03boy | sweet. got acpi/temp/battery workin |
| 06:46.53 | liable | !test |
| 06:46.53 | dpkg | No, liable, you're not online any more. |
| 06:47.02 | mofino-home | hah |
| 06:47.22 | takatumi | d03boy: what ain't working? |
| 06:47.33 | caphuego | eth1: um, yes |
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| 06:50.26 | tuxmaster | what is the command to configure the network |
| 06:50.32 | tuxmaster | does anyone know |
| 06:50.42 | dondelelcaro | tuxmaster: $EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces; |
| 06:52.01 | dondelelcaro | if that's too difficult, there's network-console-config |
| 06:53.00 | jtza8 | cleverAlf: Thanks Alf. |
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| 06:53.42 | takatumi | dondelelcaro: that's a rather long-package-name. |
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| 06:54.48 | technos | Anyone here know if there are any limitations to what SE SCSI devices the HPPA port likes? |
| 06:56.43 | mofino-home | caphuego, I'd add a 'grep ^ii' after the dpkg -l |
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| 06:56.47 | mofino-home | caphuego, but thanks for the tip. |
| 06:56.54 | boukensya | hey guys. some reason osd doesn't work for me |
| 06:57.21 | smhar | how to update a specific program using apt-get |
| 06:57.34 | mofino-home | smhar, update just one? |
| 06:58.23 | smhar | mofino-home, one application to a newer version |
| 06:59.11 | mofino-home | smhar, yeah I'm not sure you can do just one with apt |
| 06:59.26 | mofino-home | smhar, I doubt it highly. |
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| 06:59.56 | technos | apt-get update, apt-get install <package to be upgraded> should just install a newer version of the package and the newer dependancies. |
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| 07:00.40 | smhar | ok thanks .. |
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| 07:01.59 | smhar | btw.. is firefox1.0.3 available for debian yet? |
| 07:03.19 | mofino-home | Man I'm tired... working too late |
| 07:03.23 | mofino-home | 3 am already. |
| 07:03.25 | mofino-home | I'm losing it. |
| 07:03.29 | mofino-home | Later |
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| 07:05.00 | technos | 1.0.3 was just released tonight AFAIK. ftp.mozilla.org doesn't even have a tarball for it yet. |
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| 07:05.45 | Geeen | hallo |
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| 07:06.14 | Geeen | wie kann ich den datei server in debian wechseln? |
| 07:06.29 | silverton | Geeen, #debian-de |
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| 07:13.42 | ManStyle-Dingo | Could someone please direct me to a doc describing how to manage how much a process uses the network? I am looking for some type of way to have one, system-wide setup that caps individual process' transfer speeds. thanks. |
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| 07:14.29 | silverton | ding0, looking for something to limit bittorrent? ;) |
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| 07:14.53 | Tuttle | hi, how can I make the system remember what modules alsaconf detected and loaded? when i select emu10k1 in alsaconf, i can play and rec what I want. but after reboot, it's bad |
| 07:15.07 | Tuttle | i thought that alsaconf tries to preserve the module conf... |
| 07:15.08 | Morrowyn | morning |
| 07:15.19 | liable | Tuttle: alsactl store |
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| 07:15.35 | caphuego | Ooh, french spam. First one this year, |
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| 07:17.26 | valdyn_ | !alsa 2.6 |
| 07:17.26 | dpkg | i heard alsa 2.6 is On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 07:17.27 | ding0 | silverton: lol, close |
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| 07:17.28 | silverton | caphuego, ooooo |
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| 07:17.37 | silverton | ding0, darn...lol |
| 07:17.44 | silverton | some other p2p program? |
| 07:17.46 | silverton | limewire? |
| 07:18.15 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: that part is supposed to be done by discover, if you dont use it or discover isnt finding your soundcard, add its driver to /etc/modules |
| 07:18.21 | ding0 | silverton: well its an interesting case...the server will be used to beta test network software..and if something goes astray its possible certain processes might suck network performance..so I want an external cap or something..on how much a process can use ? |
| 07:18.29 | sadneophite | Could you ban RuN he is sending spam to those entering the room |
| 07:18.49 | silverton | ding0, well, sorry, but I'm still a linux noob, or else I'd try and help ^_^ |
| 07:18.55 | ding0 | silverton: lol. mk |
| 07:19.08 | Tuttle | valdyn_: so the alsaconf itself is not doing this modification? |
| 07:19.28 | Tuttle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.29 | silverton | Tuttle, alsaconf has always done it for me |
| 07:19.41 | sadneophite | How does one create usb entries on the /dev/ filesystem |
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| 07:20.14 | caphuego | !ops RuN is an onjoin spammer |
| 07:20.14 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: it just "fixes" the dependency chain and interconnection things between the various alsa modules ( its subsystems ) |
| 07:20.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: RuN is an onjoin spammer |
| 07:20.19 | pixil9 | Anyone know a good packaged cpu/memory monitor that just sits on the desktop as text.. gkrellm is too big |
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| 07:21.06 | caphuego | pixil9: rxvt -e 'watch -n 5 sensors' |
| 07:21.07 | Tuttle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:21.39 | silverton | technos, heyyyy.... |
| 07:21.42 | silverton | nevermind ;) |
| 07:21.55 | technos | Hmm.. What did I do now, Silverton? |
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| 07:22.01 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: ony the hardware driver needs to be in /etc/modules as long as you have the alsa support packages installed ( i dont recall which package does what exactly, youre supposed to have them all installed anyway, see above what dpkg said ) |
| 07:22.01 | silverton | You live in WA >:O |
| 07:22.08 | silverton | this state isn't big enough for both us |
| 07:22.10 | silverton | *both of us |
| 07:22.24 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: snd-emu10k or whatever its called |
| 07:22.38 | sadneophite | anyone know how to add entries into the /dev/ system |
| 07:22.48 | pixil9 | caphuego: That doesn't work :/ |
| 07:22.56 | valdyn_ | sadneophite: are you using udev? |
| 07:22.57 | tomb0y | sadneophite: man MAKEDEV |
| 07:22.59 | streuner | sadneophite: man MAKEDEV |
| 07:23.05 | sadneophite | thankyou |
| 07:23.52 | silverton | hey uh... sadneophite, man MAKEDEV |
| 07:23.53 | silverton | ;) |
| 07:23.56 | technos | silverton: There's plenty of room. You can have Tacoma, I'll take Seattle. Hope you own a pair of nose-plugs. |
| 07:24.07 | silverton | pfft...I got Sea-Tac :D |
| 07:24.11 | silverton | best of both worlds, lol |
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| 07:25.41 | Tuttle | valdyn_: I noticed that the only change in lsmod output alsaconf caused was UNLOADING these modules: audio, snd_intel8x0, snd_mpu401_uart, usb_midi. Is that possible? after that, both of the tabs in the gnome-volume-control got renamed (first is OSS, second SBLive!) and I can hear my microphone... |
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| 07:26.21 | Tuttle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.26 | tuxmaster | grr |
| 07:26.34 | tuxmaster | trying to get the network changed is anoying |
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| 07:26.41 | silverton | tuxmaster, yes... |
| 07:26.51 | cafuego | !ops RuN [~handeeee@81.213.66.242] is an onjoin spammer |
| 07:26.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: RuN [~handeeee@81.213.66.242] is an onjoin spammer |
| 07:27.02 | tuxmaster | i am trying to get my network configured |
| 07:27.08 | tuxmaster | i have debian installed |
| 07:27.14 | tuxmaster | now i want to put dhcp on |
| 07:27.27 | silverton | apt-get install dhcpd |
| 07:27.28 | d03boy | anyone know of something useful my box could do overnight? (similar to @home or whatever its called0 |
| 07:27.31 | streuner | tuxmaster: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 07:27.40 | silverton | d03boy, hey dood, seti@home |
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| 07:27.42 | silverton | or boinc |
| 07:27.54 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: try to veryify if snd-intel8x0 really gets loaded falsly on boot |
| 07:28.19 | cafuego | Fucking lazy ops today. |
| 07:28.23 | Paganist | RuN == onjoin spam |
| 07:28.26 | tuxmaster | no |
| 07:28.30 | tuxmaster | not dhcp server |
| 07:28.36 | tuxmaster | dchp working on network |
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| 07:28.47 | silverton | d03boy, http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/ <--- seti@home boinc project |
| 07:28.58 | silverton | tuxmaster, oooohhh... |
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| 07:29.14 | sadneophite | can anyone tell me the scsi module that a 2.6 kernel uses to interface with usb sticks. And if this kernel module creates it's own /dev/ entries. |
| 07:29.21 | streuner | Paganist: we know that already, thanks. |
| 07:29.25 | d03boy | k |
| 07:29.26 | d03boy | i'll do that |
| 07:29.43 | cafuego | sadneophite: usb-storage and sd |
| 07:29.43 | qwertz | Hi! Is there a tool that monitors the cpu utilization AND can record the apps that causes the heaviest cpu load? |
| 07:29.50 | tuxmaster | i wish i knew the command to configure the network |
| 07:29.52 | cafuego | qwertz: top |
| 07:29.53 | technos | top. |
| 07:29.55 | sadneophite | carfuego sd |
| 07:29.56 | cafuego | technos: etherconf |
| 07:30.00 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: gnome-volume-control supports oss and alsa, if alsas oss emulation layer is loaded it will show a tab for the oss and for the alsa mixer off the same physical device |
| 07:30.02 | cahoot | sd_mod |
| 07:30.04 | Paganist | streuner: if noone tells it, no way it can be eliminated. Should i shut up and let others be spammed to ? |
| 07:30.14 | Paganist | o_O |
| 07:30.17 | tuxmaster | can somone tell me the command to configure the network |
| 07:30.25 | cafuego | tuxmaster: therconf |
| 07:30.26 | Paganist | too * |
| 07:30.30 | sadneophite | carfuego does sd make it's own /dev/ entry? ie 'sda1' |
| 07:30.33 | streuner | Paganist: somebody else one sec. did that before you joined... |
| 07:30.36 | cafuego | sadneophite: Yes |
| 07:30.39 | Tuttle | valdyn_: I thought so about g-v-c. I also have AC97 sound builtin on motherboard. Maybe it is detected when I boot and emu10k1 must be forced as secondary... |
| 07:30.55 | Paganist | streuner: How in the fucking hell i am supposed to know about it |
| 07:30.56 | Paganist | ??/ |
| 07:30.57 | tuxmaster | therconf not found |
| 07:31.13 | streuner | Paganist: BECAUSE I TOLD YOU THAT |
| 07:31.17 | Paganist | hehe |
| 07:31.25 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: if discover doesnt "find" it, yea |
| 07:31.29 | tuxmaster | any other command |
| 07:31.32 | sadneophite | carfuego cs_mod? |
| 07:31.34 | Paganist | ok, whatever man ;) |
| 07:31.35 | tuxmaster | or what package do i have to install |
| 07:31.36 | sadneophite | carfuego sd_mod? |
| 07:31.40 | tuxmaster | to configure the network |
| 07:31.49 | Tuttle | valdyn_: ok, i'll install discover :-] |
| 07:31.54 | cahoot | Tuttle: yes the onboard tends to get to be card0 |
| 07:32.02 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: discover just runs lspi and looks for what it knows, nothing unusual or bad if it doesnt know something ( or if you dont use it ) |
| 07:32.21 | Tuttle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.56 | tuxmaster | what is the setup command for apt-get |
| 07:33.02 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: hotplug will do the same by its own way, which might explain why your intel8x0 driver is loaded automatically |
| 07:33.31 | technos | tuxmaster: He typoed. "etherconf" is correct. |
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| 07:33.43 | qwertz | cafuego, thanks know top, but I'd like to have some long time monitoring tool, so I don't have to watch the whole time on the output of top |
| 07:33.47 | sadneophite | does anyone know why sd_mod might not make it's own /dev/sd** entries |
| 07:33.53 | technos | tuxmaster: apt should have been configured on install. |
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| 07:34.00 | Tuttle | valdyn_: should i maintain either hotplug && discover on my machine or they may/should be installed both? |
| 07:34.08 | cahoot | sadneophite: got blk_dev_ub enabled? |
| 07:34.27 | streuner | sadneophite: scroll up and read what valdyn_ said, could be a reason |
| 07:34.27 | sadneophite | cahoot maybe |
| 07:34.28 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: you cant really remove hotplug individually, and they dont conflict |
| 07:34.36 | Tuttle | ok |
| 07:34.42 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: so i'd leave it there |
| 07:34.52 | tuxmaster | yes but i want to resetup and reconfigure |
| 07:34.55 | sadneophite | streuner you mean man makedev |
| 07:35.00 | valdyn_ | tuxmaster: run apt-setup |
| 07:35.02 | cahoot | sadneophite: might be the cause - system will default to /dev/ub* in that case |
| 07:35.12 | streuner | sadneophite: dpkg -l udev |
| 07:35.17 | tuxmaster | apt-setup command not found |
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| 07:35.58 | Hamled | anyoen here ever used midgard with apache2? |
| 07:36.00 | sadneophite | udev .050 |
| 07:36.02 | Tuttle | valdyn: installing of discover loaded several more modules, including snd-intel8x0 and now I got four tabs in g-v-c :-)) |
| 07:36.09 | technos | tuxmaster: If all you want to change is what package repository you use, edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:36.14 | streuner | sadneophite: apt-get remove udev |
| 07:36.26 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: yea, 2 for each sound card |
| 07:36.41 | streuner | sadneophite: and on the left side is 'ii'? |
| 07:36.58 | sadneophite | yes ii |
| 07:37.05 | sadneophite | streuner yes ii |
| 07:37.07 | Tuttle | valdyn_: ALSA and OSS emul., i got it. so now I expect it loaded after reboot. when I'll finish today, i'll give it a try. thank you |
| 07:37.10 | streuner | ok |
| 07:37.33 | sadneophite | streuner I should uninstall my /dev/ management system...? |
| 07:37.53 | streuner | sadneophite: yes, remove udev |
| 07:38.08 | sadneophite | dpkg-reconfigure ...? |
| 07:38.14 | streuner | sadneophite: apt-get remove udev |
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| 07:39.40 | d03boy | how do I run this boinc/ |
| 07:39.53 | d03boy | gave me a .gz file with i decompressed, then it was blablabla-gtk |
| 07:40.02 | d03boy | err I mean blabla-gnu |
| 07:40.06 | Tuttle | Why there is not audible response to bass and treble sliders in g-v-c? |
| 07:40.16 | Tuttle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.42 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: you are really useing the other device? |
| 07:40.47 | sadneophite | streuner might I ask what removing my udev package will acomplish? |
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| 07:41.21 | cahoot | Tuttle: tone ctrl not enabled |
| 07:42.00 | Tuttle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.10 | cahoot | Tuttle: you |
| 07:42.11 | Tuttle | valdyn_: yes, the sblive! |
| 07:42.34 | streuner | sadneophite: we had no problems here in #debian using apt-get remove udev, so just remove it |
| 07:42.38 | Tuttle | cahoot: do you know where is the setting? why it is shown when it is not enabled? |
| 07:42.44 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: my headset has an extra checkbox to enable bass control |
| 07:42.58 | Tuttle | valdyn_: in app like g-v-c? |
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| 07:43.09 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: yea, in g-v-c |
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| 07:43.14 | tga | I'm having some font trouble.. xfontsel displays the right -artwiz- fonts but when I try to use them with xterm for example I get a different font |
| 07:43.40 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: confusingly its called "mute", not "activate" or somesuch |
| 07:43.45 | tga | RuN is join spamming :\ |
| 07:43.50 | streuner | sadneophite: acomplish? |
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| 07:44.18 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: just below the trebble / bass sliders |
| 07:44.18 | d03boy | sleeeep |
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| 07:44.21 | streuner | !spell acomplish |
| 07:44.23 | dpkg | no binary found. |
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| 07:44.25 | Tuttle | valdyn_: i noticed this already. it would server the user feel very much if they named the checkbox accordingly :-) |
| 07:44.32 | ecfx | Why hasn't firefox 1.0.3 been updated on debian.org's repos? |
| 07:45.17 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: well, yea, its better in gnome 2.10, so they know their mistakes appearantly |
| 07:45.29 | Tuttle | iiiiiii seeeee, i have to Unmute "Tone" section next to bass&treble sliders.:-) |
| 07:45.35 | streuner | ecfx: 1.0.3 is out, since when? |
| 07:45.47 | sadneophite | streuner, no it would like me to remove all of the dependancies too |
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| 07:46.00 | ecfx | streuner, since forever? |
| 07:46.03 | streuner | ecfx: and they are? |
| 07:46.08 | sadneophite | streuner, I could just unistall debian though... that might remove udev |
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| 07:46.18 | streuner | !depends udev |
| 07:46.24 | dpkg | udev: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), hotplug (>= 0.0.20040329-17), initscripts (>= 2.85-16), makedev (>= 2.3.1-77), sed (>= 3.95) |
| 07:46.39 | sadneophite | gnome-volume-manager hal hal-device-manager hwdb-client |
| 07:46.54 | streuner | sadneophite: so? |
| 07:47.18 | Tuttle | valdyn_: this is one of the strongest weaknesses of linux contrary to mswin. they got the user oriented teams with the strong word in the company :( |
| 07:47.28 | valdyn_ | ecfx: why do you expect new software to be put into sid untested and instantly? |
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| 07:47.55 | ecfx | valdyn_, I'm talking sarge |
| 07:48.02 | streuner | liable: that are depends it doesn't remove those things |
| 07:48.06 | valdyn_ | ecfx: even worse |
| 07:48.22 | ecfx | I would think the most popular software on any linux distro...would be updated. |
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| 07:48.28 | ecfx | Especially whe it is used so widely.. |
| 07:48.33 | ecfx | And they are critical security updates. |
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| 07:50.15 | Zibar | hi all - i have acquired a new system with 2 x 160 gb sata drives. I have used 100 gb of drive 1 for winxp and want to install linux on the remainding 60 gb with multiboot ... I cant seem to get the installer to identify my drives though |
| 07:50.18 | valdyn_ | ecfx: and what about those people who rely on an internationalised firefox ( which do not exist for 1.0.3 ), they can screw themselves i guess |
| 07:50.43 | tuxmaster | apt-setup says not found |
| 07:50.46 | valdyn_ | Tuttle: its a weakness of windows too imo, after i saw macosx |
| 07:51.01 | streuner | !installit |
| 07:51.01 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 07:51.02 | sadneophite | streuner, it is done |
| 07:51.33 | tuxmaster | yes i know |
| 07:51.41 | liable | tuxmaster: as root, its not there? I have never intentionally installed it, but have it |
| 07:51.41 | tuxmaster | but i can not find out what package to install it |
| 07:51.50 | Tuttle | valdyn_: well I didn't got that delight personally yet, but i heard much |
| 07:51.51 | sadneophite | streuner, it is done, udev has been removed |
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| 07:52.02 | streuner | ok |
| 07:52.05 | Zibar | ive looked around and it seems the sata support is still somewhat lacking, should i wait or is there a workaround |
| 07:52.09 | ecfx | valdyn_, There is always www.mozilla.org |
| 07:52.17 | MuWu | Does anyone know how to fix svgalib_helper not loading under 2.6.10-5 |
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| 07:52.51 | aliasd | i got a laptop running debian |
| 07:53.01 | aliasd | woody |
| 07:53.06 | valdyn_ | Zibar: sata support of what? |
| 07:53.13 | sadneophite | streuner it is still serving a: mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 07:53.24 | Zibar | i was trying to install debian |
| 07:53.27 | tuxmaster | nope apt-get is not there |
| 07:53.28 | tuxmaster | in root |
| 07:53.40 | tuxmaster | not apt-get |
| 07:53.42 | tuxmaster | apt-setup |
| 07:53.43 | aliasd | the problem is this: pcmcia works with the 2.2 kernel, but when i upgrade to 2.4 i have an issue with my pcmcia network card |
| 07:53.45 | Zibar | but the installer wont recognize my drives in native mode |
| 07:53.47 | liable | sadneophite: try sdb1 |
| 07:54.05 | valdyn_ | Zibar: "native" mode? |
| 07:54.08 | sadneophite | streuner ditto |
| 07:54.09 | streuner | sadneophite: i have no idea about USB stick, sorry |
| 07:54.12 | valdyn_ | Zibar: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
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| 07:54.30 | aliasd | the modules load, and the card lights up at the switch... but when i do a dhclient eth0 it gives an error with 'no such device' |
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| 07:54.32 | valdyn_ | Zibar: for most interfaces its fine |
| 07:54.37 | sadneophite | streuner then why did I deinstall my udev base, can you tell me that? |
| 07:54.37 | tuxmaster | ahh |
| 07:54.39 | valdyn_ | Zibar: for most hardware interfaces its fine |
| 07:54.40 | tuxmaster | this is pissing me off |
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| 07:54.42 | liable | sadneophite: look at dmesg and see what its called it |
| 07:54.47 | Zibar | ok |
| 07:54.50 | tuxmaster | i knew i should have installed it diffrently |
| 07:55.07 | streuner | sadneophite: because you didn't mention that you wanna run USB sticks? |
| 07:55.13 | sadneophite | usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 11 |
| 07:55.13 | sadneophite | usb 1-1: khubd timed out on ep0in |
| 07:55.13 | sadneophite | usb 1-1: khubd timed out on ep0out |
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| 07:55.20 | tomski | Hi, how can I tell apt-get to reinstall a package and to replace all configuration files? |
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| 07:55.38 | sadneophite | oooh sorry |
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| 07:55.44 | simonrvn | what was the point of that exactly? |
| 07:55.47 | sadneophite | <- idiot |
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| 07:56.16 | Zibar | iunderstand that i need to enable legacy support on my discs, install debian, recompile kernel for sata support and then switch drives back to native mode - i am a little worried about the data on my second disc and on my primary winxp partition |
| 07:56.18 | valdyn_ | tomski: purge then install, dpkg --purge --force-depends <package> && apt-get install <package> ( unless its a package critical to apt-get's operation ) |
| 07:56.43 | Zibar | i have 2 sata drives and 2 dvd drives |
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| 07:57.27 | sadneophite | streuner yeah it is a usb stick |
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| 07:57.52 | valdyn_ | Zibar: its critical about _which_ sata controller we are talking here.. |
| 07:58.11 | tomski | valdyn_, thanx seems to work |
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| 07:58.34 | Zibar | ok, ill try and reboot and identify it - its an intel controller afaik though |
| 07:58.40 | valdyn_ | Zibar: try to run your installer with "linux26" anyway instead of the default kernel |
| 07:58.51 | Virtual | Can I limit the upload to an application to 1 kb/s ? |
| 07:59.08 | valdyn_ | Zibar: and dont bother with "legacy" mode afaik |
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| 07:59.15 | Zibar | ah ok |
| 07:59.45 | Zibar | well, my next question would be : where can i find a debian installer with 2.6 kernel |
| 07:59.48 | Zibar | :) |
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| 08:00.00 | Zibar | have downloaded newest debian |
| 08:00.02 | valdyn_ | Zibar: you are using a woody installer? |
| 08:00.03 | streuner | sadneophite: http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/instsarge.html#diusb |
| 08:00.05 | Zibar | yes |
| 08:00.06 | Dazgard | hi |
| 08:00.13 | Virtual | download the Sarge net install |
| 08:00.18 | valdyn_ | Zibar: ok - woody does not support sata at all, its from 2002 |
| 08:00.18 | Virtual | heh |
| 08:00.24 | valdyn_ | d-i Zibar |
| 08:00.24 | Zibar | heh |
| 08:00.26 | valdyn_ | !d-i Zibar |
| 08:00.26 | Zibar | ok |
| 08:00.27 | dpkg | Zibar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:00.51 | valdyn_ | Virtual: its feasable, www.lartc.org, its not trivial |
| 08:00.57 | Zibar | ok, i missed that one - sorry .... :) thx for getting me back on track though .... :) |
| 08:01.01 | Dazgard | how can i remove a package without packages that depends on it please ? |
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| 08:01.18 | valdyn_ | Dazgard: why the hell do that? |
| 08:01.40 | Dazgard | i have 2 confliting packages |
| 08:01.45 | sadneophite | streuner I don't need to install sarge |
| 08:02.00 | geordie | Dazgard: man dpkg |
| 08:02.06 | Dazgard | and old one want to remove vital stuff |
| 08:02.09 | streuner | sadneophite: i would even _try_ to read that |
| 08:02.14 | valdyn_ | Dazgard: just apt-get install the other, it will remove the "conflicting" one |
| 08:02.47 | valdyn_ | Dazgard: if that doesnt work, and you're using debian/unstable, you problem |
| 08:03.26 | Dazgard | valdyn_: that's exactly what you are talking about :) |
| 08:03.48 | Dazgard | valdyn_: dpkg should help me |
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| 08:04.04 | sadneophite | streuner I don't care what you say, I am not going to install sarge in german on a usb-stick |
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| 08:04.09 | valdyn_ | Dazgard: depends arent there to annoy you |
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| 08:04.44 | Dazgard | valdyn_: i know :) |
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| 08:05.12 | valdyn_ | Dazgard: dpkg --force-help, dont tell me i didnt warn.. |
| 08:05.51 | dupondje | hi guys, i got somewhere a server where i host my bots etc, but it suddenly died, and it came back with another ip, but now i can't ssh to it, but bot runs perfect, and answers etc :s any id how i could fix it ? |
| 08:06.04 | streuner | sadneophite: so mount /dev/sdxN /mnt doesn't work? |
| 08:06.22 | valdyn_ | dupondje: why cant you ssh into it? |
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| 08:06.32 | dupondje | it times out :s |
| 08:06.35 | Dazgard | valdyn_: thanks man |
| 08:06.40 | sadneophite | what do you think I have nbeen typing to get the output mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
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| 08:06.54 | Dazgard | i will tell you what happen :D |
| 08:07.02 | valdyn_ | dupondje: sounds like a firewall / portforwarding issue, is that server behidn a nat / router ? |
| 08:07.05 | streuner | sadneophite: just tell me what command you used |
| 08:07.10 | sadneophite | streuner I don't have a sd** |
| 08:07.15 | dupondje | no it isn't :s |
| 08:07.22 | Tuttle | Did someone make the packaged fix for mc's UTF-8 ignorance? I didn't googled any... |
| 08:07.24 | sadneophite | streuner mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mountusb |
| 08:07.29 | sadneophite | streuner mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mountusb |
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| 08:07.47 | cahoot | sadneophite: grep -i blk_dev_ub /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 08:08.07 | sadneophite | cahoot : is not set |
| 08:08.12 | sadneophite | cahoot : wow |
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| 08:08.36 | zanke | i need some help with my graphics driver, i have scsi so i am running kernel 2.2.20-compact and i want to install the nvidia drivers, it said the kernel image couldn't be found so i dled the kernel-headers and installed them and still no avail...says the same thing, i got everything else running including X |
| 08:08.48 | theZanke | can anyone help? |
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| 08:09.36 | sadneophite | cahoot so I need to configure block device to on? |
| 08:09.42 | valdyn_ | theZanke: i dont think nvidias drivers will work on woody at all, i know that they will not wortk with a 2.2.x kernel |
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| 08:09.58 | cahoot | sadneophite: no - was just checking - you don't want ub |
| 08:09.58 | theZanke | awww |
| 08:10.19 | theZanke | well do any other kernels work with scsi? |
| 08:10.31 | theZanke | because this is the only thing i could install with |
| 08:11.37 | cahoot | sadneophite: modprobe usb-storage should pull in sd_mod and usb-storage - and make /dev/sd* accessible |
| 08:11.52 | sadneophite | cahoot I am getting dmesg errors from khubd |
| 08:11.53 | streuner | sadneophite: ls -l /dev/sda1 |
| 08:12.03 | sadneophite | cahoot, none |
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| 08:12.57 | sadneophite | cahoot, sd_mod isn't being used |
| 08:13.21 | sadneophite | cahoot, sorry it is |
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| 08:14.35 | TheZanke | the only reason i want it is becaus i am stuck in 800x600 and 640x480, i have check XF86Config-4 and it has 1024x768 in there but i cant use it and i am going insane |
| 08:14.49 | sadneophite | usbcore 107384 4 ehci_hcd,usb_storage,uhci_hcd //scsi_mod 119936 2 sd_mod,usb_storage// |
| 08:15.38 | sadneophite | all of the modules seem to be there |
| 08:15.43 | streuner | uhci-hcd |
| 08:15.43 | streuner | usb-storage |
| 08:16.10 | streuner | these modules you need in order to run an USB stick |
| 08:16.11 | cahoot | they're the same |
| 08:16.39 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.58 | sadneophite | khubd is spitting out timed out |
| 08:17.00 | streuner | mount -t vfat /dev/sda /usb |
| 08:17.06 | silverton | hey, is there a kernel for the k6 that is version 2.6.11 ? |
| 08:17.12 | silverton | AMD k6-2 |
| 08:17.17 | streuner | sadneophite: not sda1 |
| 08:17.46 | sadneophite | streuner... ooh |
| 08:18.02 | sadneophite | does not exist |
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| 08:18.49 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 08:18.50 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 08:19.26 | sadneophite | is dkpg a bot? |
| 08:19.36 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 08:19.36 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 08:19.59 | sadneophite | hi dpkg |
| 08:20.08 | sadneophite | dpkg, hi |
| 08:20.09 | dpkg | privet, sadneophite |
| 08:20.10 | streuner | silverton: sarge? |
| 08:20.22 | silverton | yes, but I'm looking for something a bit more recent then 2.6.8 |
| 08:20.29 | silverton | like, 2.6.11 ^_^ |
| 08:20.41 | sadneophite | www.kernel.org |
| 08:20.45 | streuner | silverton: /msg dpkg kp |
| 08:20.57 | valdyn_ | !recent |
| 08:21.06 | streuner | silverton: and read the URL newbiedoc.sf.net section KERNEL-HOWTO |
| 08:21.09 | silverton | when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* |
| 08:21.10 | silverton | bahaha! |
| 08:21.33 | silverton | okay, thank you much streuner |
| 08:21.38 | streuner | np |
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| 08:23.33 | themolester | i just installed sarge netinst on a pc and i restarted from install, and getting a screen that says "GRUB" with nothing else, no kernel options, or anything else |
| 08:24.18 | dli | themolester, you didn't install any kernel? |
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| 08:24.24 | themolester | i did |
| 08:24.28 | themolester | but nothing is showing |
| 08:24.31 | themolester | like it would normally |
| 08:24.37 | dli | themolester, c to go to grub command prompt |
| 08:24.43 | sadneophite | i seem to be having problems with my usb-stick on debian/ubuntu: this stick functioned with knoppix and with a suse 9 kernel, but seems not to want to function anymore: can nyone help? |
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| 08:24.54 | valdyn_ | !ubuntu |
| 08:24.54 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
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| 08:26.27 | sadneophite | I think dpkg has it wrong, you see I have been thinking about this: ubuntu is debian, but debian is not ubuntu, it is sorta like the rectangle and the square thing... |
| 08:26.32 | themolester | dli that diddn't effect it |
| 08:26.51 | dli | themolester, e ? |
| 08:27.03 | sadneophite | so he really should be saying DEBIAN is not UBUNTU |
| 08:27.07 | dli | themolester, are you in grub prompt now? |
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| 08:27.18 | valdyn_ | sadneophite: you dont make sense, debian supports 16000 packages, ubuntu ~1000 |
| 08:27.20 | themolester | screen says this, with nothing else |
| 08:27.33 | valdyn_ | sadneophite: beside that, theyre are different |
| 08:27.34 | themolester | Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM : Failed ..... |
| 08:27.38 | dli | themolester, run the grub command, "find /vmlinuz |
| 08:27.38 | themolester | GRUB |
| 08:28.08 | Zibar | i should have seen this coming - debian sarge netinstall doesnt have drivers for my connect2air wlan e-5400 netcard .... |
| 08:28.08 | themolester | is that the grub prompt? |
| 08:28.13 | streuner | silverton: turn that script off, please |
| 08:28.28 | themolester | usually when i install it shows a menu of kernels to choose from |
| 08:28.37 | themolester | which starts off as only 1 |
| 08:28.40 | dli | themolester, it's like grub> |
| 08:28.48 | themolester | then thats not what this is |
| 08:28.53 | Dazgard | sadneophite: valdyn_ is not wrong both are different, things like mixing deb/ubuntu packages can blow your system out for example |
| 08:28.55 | themolester | it says in all caps GRUB and nothing else |
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| 08:29.02 | sadneophite | valdyn_ I have had so much pain from the debian packages... some unstable one are stable and some make me have to dig through code in shell for a week until I figured out what they did to my computer.... there is no question that debian is larger, I just get fed up not knowing what I should be using |
| 08:29.35 | Dazgard | deb and ubuntu packages are conflicting, so both are diff and somehow package incompatible |
| 08:29.37 | valdyn_ | sadneophite: use what you want, dont expect support in here for anything that is not debian, easy |
| 08:29.39 | dli | themolester, can you type anything, like "e", "a", "c", or the up and down arrow keys? |
| 08:29.41 | streuner | sadneophite: go away |
| 08:29.55 | sadneophite | has anyone ever gotten an error from khubd error -110 |
| 08:29.58 | themolester | dli no |
| 08:30.12 | dli | themolester, grub died? |
| 08:30.26 | themolester | thats my best guess |
| 08:30.31 | themolester | but i just installed 3 times |
| 08:30.48 | dli | themolester, now, boot with your installation cd? |
| 08:31.14 | themolester | yes, i can boot from the install cd, and install a 4th time... |
| 08:31.17 | dli | themolester, boot with a kernel parameter like "root=/dev/hda3" ? |
| 08:31.20 | sadneophite | Dazgard valdyn_ streuner using debian packages with a debian system can blow the system |
| 08:31.57 | dli | themolester, don't go to installation, boot from its kernel, and supply the option, root=/dev/hda? |
| 08:32.07 | valdyn_ | sadneophite: ergo we should support ubuntu? what has one to do with the other? |
| 08:32.21 | dli | themolester, check the boot up options |
| 08:32.24 | sadneophite | valdyn_ I am not expecting support for ubuntu, I would like to get support for debian, that is why I am here |
| 08:32.33 | themolester | dli ok, will try |
| 08:32.55 | Dazgard | sadneophite: lol, not wrong, but using unstable, you should be prepared, they did not called it UNstable just for fun ;) |
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| 08:33.20 | technos | Do the PA-Risc/HPPA folks have a channel of their own? |
| 08:33.27 | sadneophite | Dazgard, are you telling me that you do not use any backports |
| 08:33.37 | valdyn_ | i have no idea about ubuntus kernels, cant help even if i wanted |
| 08:33.58 | Dazgard | im using a 100% unstable system so no backports :) |
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| 08:34.39 | Grant | Hey guys, getting a unsual error.... Apr 16 18:41:31 localhost named[23368]: zone netmart.com.au/IN: refresh: unexpected rcode (SERVFAIL) from master 206.123.75.28#53 |
| 08:34.50 | sadneophite | yeah but the 2.6.10 kernel is pretty standard as new kernels go ... it isn't a debian kernel, although debian never made kernels: kernels are usually from kernel.org |
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| 08:34.55 | Zibar | anyone have any experience with Connect2AirWlan E-5400 wireless network adapter ? ive tried to find drivers for it but all the info seems to be in german or french for some reason :) |
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| 08:35.30 | streuner | Zibar: use babelfish to translate? |
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| 08:35.50 | Zibar | oh, ill try that |
| 08:35.57 | sadneophite | zibar, it happens.. check out wlan-ng on the web |
| 08:36.06 | Zibar | thx |
| 08:36.37 | streuner | Zibar: altavista.com |
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| 08:37.04 | Zibar | right on the spot Sadneophite - thanks again :) |
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| 08:37.23 | sadneophite | don't thank me thank dkpg |
| 08:38.08 | sadneophite | Zibar there is no garentee on compatibility, you gotta check the 'chipset' and the 'controller' |
| 08:38.37 | Zibar | dang - my carde is not on the compatibility list - just my luck :/ |
| 08:38.52 | sadneophite | is it prism3 |
| 08:38.57 | Grant | /dns 202.61.222.42 |
| 08:38.59 | Grant | fark |
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| 08:39.12 | sadneophite | Zibar |
| 08:39.23 | Zibar | Connect2Air wlan E-5400 |
| 08:39.25 | sadneophite | Zibar is a pcmcia card or integrated or pci |
| 08:39.34 | Zibar | a fujitsu siemens integrated thingie |
| 08:39.51 | sadneophite | is your computer trying to load a module for it |
| 08:40.06 | sadneophite | like orinoco or something like that |
| 08:40.34 | sadneophite | a lifebook is a nice computer |
| 08:40.39 | Zibar | the installer cant identify it and wants me to select a driver from the list ( sarge netinst ) |
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| 08:41.44 | streuner | Zibar: try #debian-boot |
| 08:41.59 | Zibar | ok |
| 08:42.00 | sadneophite | oooh if it's not on the list then... |
| 08:42.06 | sadneophite | Zibar are you installing now? |
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| 08:42.27 | Zibar | no - im on winxp multiboot |
| 08:42.35 | Zibar | only have this one system |
| 08:43.19 | sadneophite | if you search for warlinux on sourceforge (i think it was sourceforge) you can download a bootable cd which has all of the drivers etc. if it is going to run (the card) than it will problably run with that.... |
| 08:43.48 | Zibar | warlinux ? |
| 08:43.54 | sadneophite | zibar think so |
| 08:44.00 | Zibar | not debian ? ( big whine ) :) |
| 08:44.01 | sadneophite | google it maybe |
| 08:44.13 | sadneophite | it is just to see if the card will run at all |
| 08:44.18 | Zibar | ah ok |
| 08:44.40 | sadneophite | are you really new? |
| 08:44.51 | sadneophite | bie |
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| 08:45.36 | Zibar | yes im quite new when it comes to linux, have used debian before though and i like it :) |
| 08:45.43 | Growly | Hi everybody! |
| 08:46.07 | sadneophite | zibar can you lspci and see what information comes up with your card |
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| 08:46.50 | Zibar | dont know what lspci is sorry |
| 08:47.09 | Growly | i'll continue: I have apt-get removed apache2 and deleted the /etc/apache2 folder, but now whenever i apt-get install apache2 it doesn't recreate the files or the configs |
| 08:47.26 | Loevborg | does anyone know a simple programme to monitor the quality of your network connection? (send out pings regularly etc.) |
| 08:47.29 | sadneophite | lspci lists the pci thingies attached to your computer |
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| 08:48.14 | Growly | please don't make me reinstall the whole thing |
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| 08:48.23 | Zibar | well, i would have to complete the debian installation then - i abandonded the installation when my network failed to intit |
| 08:48.37 | Zibar | init |
| 08:48.49 | davi | Why lirc is not integrated in the debian kernel? |
| 08:49.21 | technos | Growly: Look at using --purge on removal and.. Drawing a blank if there's something to do on reinstall. |
| 08:49.27 | Zibar | you think i should go ahead and install debian without network and work from there ? |
| 08:49.35 | sadneophite | zibar, only a portion of wlan cards have good support under linux |
| 08:49.45 | Zibar | ok |
| 08:49.46 | technos | Zibar: Is the network card supported by Linux at all? |
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| 08:50.07 | jtza8 | I'd like to change the default $PS1 to use \W instead of \w. Should I edit /etc/profile or does Debian have some sort of extra file for some or other diabolical reason? |
| 08:50.10 | Zibar | i havent been able to conclude that yet technos |
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| 08:51.06 | technos | Zibar: I know you said it was a E-5400, but what laptop is it integrated in? |
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| 08:51.41 | valdyn_ | jtza8: look at it |
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| 08:51.44 | Zibar | its not a laptop - its a Scaleo T fujitsu siemens stationary workstation |
| 08:52.03 | sadneophite | zibar technos, I found a french site, and it seems to be a prism chipsets so http://www.linux-wlan.org/ with the wlan-ng drivers would problably be best |
| 08:52.20 | jtza8 | I changed it but there was no effect. |
| 08:53.12 | valdyn_ | jtza8: source /etc/profile |
| 08:53.19 | Growly | technos: I tried that, same effect - I need to be able to reinstall apache2 and get all the configs it originally creates with it... |
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| 08:53.41 | Zibar | how neat - thanks alot Sadneophite - im all out of empty discs though, so i will have to download the driver i winxp and grab it from debian when installed |
| 08:53.49 | ircdevil | computer documentation question: -c Report the query position of a reverse complement match relative to the forward strand of the query sequence |
| 08:53.55 | ircdevil | what does that mean? |
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| 08:54.30 | ircdevil | hmmm, ok |
| 08:54.38 | sadneophite | Fujitsu-Siemens 802.11g E-5400 Cardbus Prism GT |
| 08:55.02 | sadneophite | i don't think it is totally supported |
| 08:55.19 | Zibar | hmmm |
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| 08:55.40 | quannum | someone who can give me a little info of agnula demudi distro ? |
| 08:55.44 | Zibar | well, i was kinda expecting difficulties - my system is quite new and so is the hardware |
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| 08:56.01 | Zibar | ht cpu, sata drives, pci-e graphics card and so on |
| 08:56.09 | sadneophite | zibar, I would install debian and then look into a ndiswrapper |
| 08:56.21 | valdyn_ | quannum: looking at their website it does not really seem to be maintained anymore |
| 08:56.29 | LandSlide | i'm running debian from vmware, how do I reconfigure xfree86 so that it works with my notebooks 1280x800 display resolution? |
| 08:56.40 | sadneophite | zibar, ndiswrapper sorta runs around your driver.inf from windows |
| 08:56.46 | Zibar | oh |
| 08:56.50 | Growly | argh, i shouldn't have to reinstall but it appears to be the only way |
| 08:56.51 | quannum | valdyn_ , i did , but isnt it maitained anymore? |
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| 08:57.06 | valdyn_ | quannum: look at the date(s) on their news |
| 08:57.24 | technos | Growly: Gimme a moment. I know this is doable. :p |
| 08:57.37 | quannum | yes few months ago |
| 08:57.49 | quannum | valdyn_ few months ago |
| 08:57.53 | quannum | 2004 |
| 08:57.56 | Zibar | so - install debian without network download ndis wrapper in winxp, grab it from ntfs drive and compile .... something like that ? :) |
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| 08:58.07 | sadneophite | zibar : http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:58.11 | technos | Growly: You did an apt-get --purge remove apache2, and then apt-get install apache? |
| 08:58.23 | sadneophite | zibar : but then you need the windows driver |
| 08:58.31 | quannum | valdyn_ did you ever used it ? |
| 08:58.34 | Zibar | ok |
| 08:58.58 | Zibar | how nice, they have even made a deb package for ndis wrapper |
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| 08:59.35 | Growly | is it normal for it to only free 63kb and then reuse 63kb on reinstall? I thought it would've been much bigger! |
| 08:59.49 | valdyn_ | quannum: nope |
| 09:00.05 | quannum | ah ok, thanks for info anyway |
| 09:00.12 | sadneophite | zibar: this is my favorite site, I ofound it again : http://linux_wless.passys.nl/ |
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| 09:00.24 | quannum | valdyn_ thanks for the info |
| 09:00.43 | Growly | technos: Yeah I did, and on reinstall the daemon didn't start (because of the no-conf-file thing) and nor the config files, nor anything in /etc/apache2 was recreated. /etc/apache2 itself wasn't even recreated. |
| 09:00.49 | quannum | hmm, someone knows a good but not to commercial debian based distro ? :) |
| 09:01.06 | Growly | quannum: debian |
| 09:01.31 | sadneophite | zibar: they say it is documented and tested |
| 09:01.34 | technos | Growly: Did you take out the apache2-common package or just the apache2 wrapper package? |
| 09:01.47 | sadneophite | zibar: and the drivers are at www.prism54.org |
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| 09:02.18 | valdyn_ | !info hostap-source |
| 09:02.20 | dpkg | hostap-source: (Host AP driver for Intersil Prism2/2.5/3), section net, is optional. Version: 1:0.3.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 09:02.26 | valdyn_ | !info hostap-source sarge |
| 09:02.32 | Zibar | great |
| 09:02.38 | dpkg | hostap-source: (Host AP driver for Intersil Prism2/2.5/3), section net, is optional. Version: 1:0.3.7-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 09:02.40 | valdyn_ | Zibar: ^^^^ |
| 09:02.41 | Zibar | so i dont neet the wrapper then |
| 09:02.47 | Growly | technos: :o! I did 1) apt-get remove apache2 2)remove with no mercy /etc/apache2 - so probably not |
| 09:03.11 | Growly | technos: You, my good sir, are brilliant. |
| 09:03.16 | sadneophite | zibar dunno |
| 09:03.26 | Zibar | ill try and boot the sarge installer again and see of that prism driver is on the list |
| 09:03.26 | technos | Growly: apt-get --purge remove apache2-common, then reinstall, see if that will do it. |
| 09:03.38 | sadneophite | not prism but prism54 |
| 09:03.44 | Zibar | k |
| 09:03.49 | sadneophite | or prismgt |
| 09:03.55 | Zibar | hmm |
| 09:04.04 | Zibar | wish me luck :) and thanks |
| 09:04.41 | sadneophite | z5bar, but then again, they say my card works on the site too, but ... |
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| 09:05.16 | jlj_ | I seem to get three sshd processes for each ssh login (two [priv] and one @pts/x), is this normal? |
| 09:05.50 | Growly | technos: I love you. |
| 09:06.19 | valdyn_ | jlj_: sure |
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| 09:06.27 | technos | All set now Growly? |
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| 09:06.56 | Growly | technos: Well the config's are back, dunno if I'll get the whole can't make sock bs again, but hey! It's a great day! |
| 09:07.07 | jlj_ | valdyn_: Do you know there are two [priv]:s? |
| 09:07.10 | EmleyMoor | Is there, anywhere, a complete guide to changing over from WEP specified in /etc/interfaces to wpasupplicant? |
| 09:07.12 | technos | Growly: You're closer to done. :) |
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| 09:08.50 | valdyn_ | jlj_: it should be one [priv] per login |
| 09:08.59 | streuner_ | !ops iroN_Man is an Onjoin Spambot |
| 09:09.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: iroN_Man is an Onjoin Spambot |
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| 09:09.39 | jlj_ | valdyn_: ok, so it is not normal then? :(..since there are always two of them |
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| 09:10.11 | streuner_ | yes |
| 09:10.31 | streuner_ | 2 sec. ago |
| 09:10.39 | paulswm | streuner_: Great, thanks and good .us Sat morning! |
| 09:10.52 | streuner_ | paulswm: :-) |
| 09:10.58 | Rawplayer | !ops iroN_Man has onjoin spam!! |
| 09:10.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: iroN_Man has onjoin spam!! |
| 09:11.07 | valdyn_ | jlj_: yea, you are right, but i would recount |
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| 09:11.15 | Thanatermesis | http://www.debian-desktop.org/ |
| 09:11.16 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
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| 09:12.49 | Growly | I've decided that deleting folders without knowing which package they're from is folly. |
| 09:13.14 | Zibar | im out of luck, i will have to install a standard ethernet adapter and then try to get my wireless thig working with this prism54 driver when debian is installed .... |
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| 09:13.28 | sadneophite | that is standard |
| 09:13.36 | jlj_ | valdyn_: I tried killing both [priv]s, logging off, and now they are there again..strange |
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| 09:14.05 | LandSlide | i'm running debian from vmware, how do I reconfigure xfree86 so that it works with my notebooks 1280x800 display resolution? |
| 09:14.06 | sadneophite | see must have made some jerk angry |
| 09:14.22 | Zibar | :) |
| 09:14.22 | valdyn_ | Zibar: did you try debians linux-wlan-ng? |
| 09:14.24 | eps | guys does my kernel source need to be symlinked to anything? - I got it via apt-get then untared it - yet when I try and install the nvidia drivers it still complains that the source isn't there |
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| 09:14.37 | sadneophite | zibar, he doesn't need that driver |
| 09:15.05 | Zibar | think sadneophite is right, the prism54 driver looks promising |
| 09:15.33 | sadneophite | valdyn_ he is running a prismgt chipsatz, that isn't supported under the wlan prism 2/2.5/3 chipsets from linux.wlan.org |
| 09:15.33 | valdyn_ | Zibar: oh nm me, tat wont help during install.. |
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| 09:15.47 | Zibar | :) |
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| 09:16.35 | dama | hi |
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| 09:16.38 | freeman | hi |
| 09:16.39 | sadneophite | hehehe |
| 09:16.41 | sadneophite | hi |
| 09:16.44 | sobersabre | hi |
| 09:16.45 | Zibar | cant do this now, catch you guys later .... cheers |
| 09:16.50 | dama | any problem? |
| 09:17.05 | freeman | for me? |
| 09:17.05 | sadneophite | yeah I have a usb problem |
| 09:17.14 | dama | details |
| 09:17.15 | valdyn_ | sadneophite: the driver is in stock kernels, just not in debian kernels as i see due to firmware license issues |
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| 09:17.52 | sadneophite | I am geting a khubd timeout error when I plug in a usb stick. |
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| 09:18.12 | dama | sorry, no idea. |
| 09:18.43 | sadneophite | I am using exotic hardware (thinkpad 600e) but the usbstick was working very well with a knoppic 2.6 kernel and with the suse9 series kernel |
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| 09:19.29 | dama | what's yr debian version? |
| 09:19.37 | sadneophite | valdyn_ there are a whole bunch of strange licencing issues all over ... |
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| 09:21.15 | EmleyMoor | I'd like to be able, as part of boot-time network configuration, to set up my wireless interface using wpa_supplicant, which I have installed - how do I specify this in config files? Ideally, I believe I need to set up the wpa then dhcp |
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| 09:21.34 | Nostromo^ | anyone knows of a perl module that manipulates /etc/interfaces? |
| 09:22.11 | EmleyMoor | (I currently use WEP keys specifierd in /etc/interfaces - this will need to be changed, and I'm not sure to what) |
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| 09:22.43 | Yaroon | OK, so my laptop broke down last night... I've been browsing some sites already, but... If you people had to buy a new one, which one would you prefer? |
| 09:22.48 | ding0 | Any word on when there will be an x86_64 debian release ? |
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| 09:23.21 | valdyn_ | !amd64 |
| 09:23.22 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 09:23.30 | EmleyMoor | Yaroon: I would go for any Centrino-based with hardware RF switch but YMMV |
| 09:23.38 | streuner_ | !ops iroN_Man is an Onjoin Spambot |
| 09:23.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: iroN_Man is an Onjoin Spambot |
| 09:23.48 | Yaroon | YMMV? |
| 09:24.07 | CaT_MaN | how can I make load balancing with my dual procesr xeon to Traffic Control |
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| 09:24.13 | EmleyMoor | Your mileage may vary |
| 09:24.24 | Yaroon | Hmm. |
| 09:24.42 | CaT_MaN | I user my computer only for traffic control |
| 09:25.17 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 09:26.12 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... this looks like a job for pre-up |
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| 09:27.13 | nonames | someoe can help me with shell scripting |
| 09:27.46 | nonames | when im try to run my script im recive this error |
| 09:27.53 | valdyn_ | nonames: #bash |
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| 09:28.07 | EmleyMoor | Can someone advise as to whether I have that right - do I run wpa_supplicant in a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces? If not, is running it in an up line correct? |
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| 09:29.41 | agenteo | I'm using apt-cdrom add, but it looks in the wrong device! The cd instead of the dvd... someone knows how can I tell apt-cdrom to point a specific device? |
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| 09:31.27 | paulswm | agenteo: man apt-cdrom, check out option -d, --cdrom |
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| 09:35.27 | cld | I've noticed that xgamma used in X11 affect terminal after switching to it (Ctrl+Alt+F1), but using xgamma in terminal doesn't work. Is possible to correct gamma in terminal ?? |
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| 09:36.12 | tug | is this the "official" debian channel? |
| 09:36.24 | streuner_ | tug: just ask |
| 09:36.56 | agenteo | paulswm: I've readed it but I was confused by [cdrom mount point] I was assuming a more complicated syntax :) thanks for the suggestion |
| 09:37.04 | tug | aah..ok..question 1 anywhere I can find the kernel packaged with the logo patch? |
| 09:37.18 | paulswm | agenteo: you're welcome :) |
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| 09:38.04 | streuner_ | !find debian logo |
| 09:38.14 | dpkg | kernel-patch-debianlogo: (Display a Debian logo on a framebuffer device at boottime), section devel, is extra. Version: 1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
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| 09:39.05 | tug | yeah it is there but I don't wanna compile the whole thing myself...not enough proc speed right now. |
| 09:39.27 | tug | I was wondering if anyone had precomipiled packages |
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| 09:40.44 | streuner_ | tug: the bootprocess tooks for me too long, so... :-) |
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| 09:41.15 | DCA2 | lut ! |
| 09:41.27 | tug | ok thanks |
| 09:41.41 | streuner_ | just compile it |
| 09:41.58 | tug | now to some config questions how do I get true type fonts in konsole? |
| 09:42.26 | technos | Why the hell would anyone ship a SCSI controller that only does non-coherent IO.. |
| 09:42.28 | streuner_ | via aterm? |
| 09:42.58 | tug | streuner_ I am doing an install under vmware for demo purposes only. Dont have my machine with me and I guess compiling with vm is gonna take a lot of time |
| 09:42.59 | DCA2 | some french who help me here PLEASE ???? |
| 09:43.00 | streuner_ | tug: well, aterm doesn't support ttf, not on my system (verdana) at least |
| 09:43.07 | valdyn_ | !fr |
| 09:43.07 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 09:43.27 | DCA2 | thanks !!!! |
| 09:43.51 | tug | ok...last question then |
| 09:45.08 | tug | I have taken almost all font beautification measures I could but somehow some fonts still look ugly like the menu n KDE's site and numbers like 6, 8, 2 etc |
| 09:45.16 | ecfx | mencoder-k6 |
| 09:45.18 | ecfx | mencoder-586 |
| 09:45.24 | ecfx | Which one do I want on an intel p4? |
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| 09:45.31 | tug | 586 |
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| 09:45.53 | DCA2 | bye ! |
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| 09:46.10 | streuner_ | ecfx: are these the only options you have? |
| 09:46.17 | ecfx | streuner, yea |
| 09:46.25 | streuner_ | uhm |
| 09:46.25 | Mash | hello |
| 09:46.35 | tug | there is 686 but that is a summy package i think |
| 09:46.41 | tug | *dummy |
| 09:46.52 | streuner_ | that points to 586? |
| 09:46.57 | tug | yeah |
| 09:48.01 | tug | btw will a kde minimal install run fine on a 833 MHz P3 +384MB ram? |
| 09:48.16 | streuner_ | yes |
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| 09:48.52 | tug | streuner_ which DE/WM do u use? |
| 09:49.03 | streuner_ | tug: ob3 atm |
| 09:50.11 | tug | never heard of it :S |
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| 09:50.19 | streuner_ | !info openbox |
| 09:50.24 | dpkg | openbox: (standards compliant, fast, light-weight, extensible window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.2-7 (sid), Packaged size: 204 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
| 09:51.01 | tug | do u use the msfttfonts package? |
| 09:51.25 | streuner_ | yep |
| 09:51.47 | tug | and fonts on websites are exactly like in windows? |
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| 09:51.54 | tug | hinted and AAs |
| 09:53.25 | hoe | how can I make an upload to the outside world so I can see the actual speed? /will ssh session via mc make it for me?/ |
| 09:53.29 | streuner_ | lunchtime |
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| 09:53.36 | hoe | streuner_: bon apetit |
| 09:53.49 | streuner_afk | hoe: thanks |
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| 09:59.08 | vosti | is it possibile to remove initrd from my system and boot up a kernel without it? |
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| 09:59.37 | mr^cyder | i am downloading : http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:59.44 | mr^cyder | and .. i want to install debian on a p@233 with64 megs |
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| 09:59.50 | mr^cyder | i have 2 network cards.. realtek 8029 and 8139 .. is tha installer capable 2 detect this 2 cards? |
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| 10:00.49 | hoe | vosti: you have to recompile the kernel without initrd, but it's generally a good idea to have a initrd for lazy people :) you don't need to bother yourself with what to compile as module /ide,fs,.../ |
| 10:01.46 | hoe | mr^cyder: I guess it can without any problems, default kernel has support for both, but check up to be sure somewhere on ... |
| 10:01.49 | hoe | !d-i |
| 10:01.50 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 10:01.57 | tug | cyder according to this the answer seems yes http://linuxcompatible.org/compat.php?cat=All&sort=All&idx=r |
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| 10:02.29 | mr^cyder | thx:) |
| 10:02.33 | mr^cyder | i'm a slackware user.. |
| 10:02.41 | vosti | hoe: i already rebuild it but at the boot i get a kernel panic because it can't mount the root fs...(but it's not a fs problem) |
| 10:02.43 | mr^cyder | and i want to try debian.. and i am a little bit nervous:) |
| 10:03.01 | tug | it was my 2nd distro after fedora |
| 10:03.01 | ircdevil | mr^cyder: no worries. we will help. |
| 10:03.07 | mr^cyder | oke:) |
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| 10:03.13 | WarDead | it was my first distro. |
| 10:03.17 | tug | seemed easy with net installer |
| 10:03.44 | tug | if u want a walkthrough there are a couple of excellent articles at osnews |
| 10:03.59 | mr^cyder | hmmm.. will i have problems with apache+php+mysql ? |
| 10:04.03 | hoe | vosti: that's why I use initrd; you have compiled wth as a module which is needed to mount root filesystem, if it's not fs module, than it probably is IDE driver |
| 10:04.04 | mr^cyder | cause in slackware .. i had :( |
| 10:04.22 | hoe | s/wth/sth/ |
| 10:04.27 | tug | I am running a small webserver |
| 10:04.35 | tug | no troubles yet |
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| 10:04.46 | vosti | hoe: i'll retry...thanks |
| 10:04.50 | mr^cyder | ;) |
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| 10:05.19 | EmleyMoor | I'm having problems with wpa_supplicant from woody - it's seeing 2 or 3 ssids including the one I want but skipping as there is no WPA/RSN IE - why would that be? |
| 10:06.13 | ircdevil | mr^cyder: apache, php, and mysql is a beaut in debian. |
| 10:06.23 | mr^cyder | i hope:) |
| 10:06.39 | mr^cyder | though i`m a lazy user:) |
| 10:06.43 | mr^cyder | and i use webmin :D |
| 10:07.11 | paulswm | !beat mr^cyder for using webmin |
| 10:07.15 | paulswm | :P |
| 10:07.20 | ircdevil | !beat mr^cyder for being lazy |
| 10:07.25 | ircdevil | !lazy |
| 10:07.25 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 10:07.27 | mr^cyder | uat:) |
| 10:07.39 | ircdevil | !webmin |
| 10:07.40 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 10:08.01 | paulswm | mr^cyder: You'll be very happy with debian, I'm sure, particularly as you already have Linux experience |
| 10:08.31 | paulswm | mr^cyder: Doing package installations and keeping your system up to date is a breeze |
| 10:08.32 | ircdevil | mr^cyder: we are already helping you major time. dont use webmin, dont be lazy :o) |
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| 10:08.45 | Madkiss | hi folks |
| 10:09.00 | Madkiss | I was told there is somebody in here who should be not |
| 10:09.13 | mr^cyder | oke:) |
| 10:09.17 | mr^cyder | i will try :) |
| 10:09.30 | mr^cyder | i just need apache+php+sql :) |
| 10:09.36 | mr^cyder | uh.. and phpmyadmin :) |
| 10:09.39 | ircdevil | Madkiss: no calls for ops in my log ... |
| 10:09.41 | mr^cyder | for sql db |
| 10:09.43 | paulswm | Madkiss: Ther was an onjoin spam bot here a while ago, but I think it left |
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| 10:10.00 | ircdevil | Madkiss: who asked? |
| 10:10.11 | mr^cyder | and iptables for the local network:) |
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| 10:10.24 | paulswm | Madkiss: it was iroN_Man, but has left |
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| 10:11.29 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good channel for WPA problems?# |
| 10:11.31 | mr^cyder | btw.. how much space will use a server install ? |
| 10:11.38 | mr^cyder | cause i have a 3 gig hdd |
| 10:11.55 | paulswm | I missed the first ops call but Rawplayer called for ops at 0510 EDT |
| 10:12.09 | ircdevil | mr^cyder: that of cause depends on what you need. but 3 gig should be enuf. |
| 10:12.16 | ircdevil | plenty |
| 10:12.17 | Madkiss | hm, okay |
| 10:12.22 | mr^cyder | u mean i need 2 download 3 gigs?:) |
| 10:12.30 | mr^cyder | i just need apache + php + sql :) |
| 10:12.34 | paulswm | Madkiss: Thanks for dropping bye, though |
| 10:12.36 | ircdevil | mr^cyder: no way |
| 10:12.50 | mr^cyder | a full slack instal.. almost 3 gigs:) |
| 10:13.11 | mr^cyder | without x:) |
| 10:13.12 | ircdevil | mr^cyder: debian basic server install will fit in a few megs |
| 10:13.15 | mr^cyder | x sux:) |
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| 10:13.57 | ircdevil | mr^cyder: you need to get started. that way it is way easier for us to help you with actual problems and questions :o) |
| 10:14.09 | mr^cyder | u wight:) |
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| 10:14.29 | mr^cyder | 20 minutes on my 256 external connection 4 the iso:) |
| 10:14.49 | mr^cyder | b r b |
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| 10:18.05 | pngwn | mrcoyote__, why is there three of you? |
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| 10:20.14 | ircdevil | !dict triplicator |
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| 10:20.16 | dpkg | could not find definition for triplicator |
| 10:21.30 | matthew-gray | hi all, if someone totally ruins the various bin directories, what do you recommend? |
| 10:21.54 | matthew-gray | as in they accidentally move a lot of files around from bin dir to bin dir |
| 10:24.10 | witless | i have a hypothesis based on a very small sample size. "people with a chemistry background who transition to technology careers prefer proprietary software to F/OSS." |
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| 10:29.04 | technos | matthew-gray: I hope you have a backup. |
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| 10:29.50 | technos | matthew-gray: Otherwise, you can look at last night's locate db to figure out where they should be and move them back.. Unless updatedb already ran. |
| 10:29.51 | Gathond | matthew-gray: you could ask dpkg where the files for each package should be located |
| 10:30.38 | paulswm | matthew-gray: or use apt-file to tell you where files should be by listing the files for each package |
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| 10:30.58 | Gathond | matthew-gray: you could also, if you are carefull, move enough files to have apt-get/dpkg running to somewhere else and then delete all the bin dirs and use apt-get install --reinstall "list of all installed packages from dpkg" |
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| 10:31.19 | LinK| | hi, the kernel 2.4.30 is protected? |
| 10:31.29 | LinK| | or dangerous |
| 10:32.09 | Gathond | dont know, any reason you think that? |
| 10:32.18 | technos | LinK| You mean stable? |
| 10:32.52 | LinK| | yes |
| 10:33.47 | technos | LinK|: It's a couple weeks old and I haven't heard anything about it, so I should assume so. |
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| 10:34.37 | LinK| | ok thx |
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| 10:35.11 | matthew-gray | Gathond, well that is what i tried, but it went piecemeal. |
| 10:35.13 | paulswm | I don't see 2.4.30 in debian stable, testing or unstable |
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| 10:35.39 | matthew-gray | technos, nope he didn't have one :-) |
| 10:36.14 | technos | matthew-gray: Yuck. |
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| 10:38.24 | technos | paulswm: Yeah, I think 2.4.27 was the latest packaged, but the official tree has 2.4.30 out a couple weeks ago. |
| 10:38.38 | promethues | oh my god,at last i logged in~~ |
| 10:38.43 | promethues | hi all |
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| 10:39.45 | promethues | any one living? |
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| 10:40.18 | Gavrila | hi all |
| 10:40.37 | promethues | hi |
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| 10:41.05 | technos | promethues: I don't know.. Working here doesn't feel like living. |
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| 10:42.23 | promethues | technos, is's my 1st time to log in irc.debian.org,i am just like to seek someone to talk with |
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| 10:46.57 | promethues | why no one speaks?who can tell me |
| 10:48.05 | benjamindees | it's 6 AM on saturday in the states :) |
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| 10:48.24 | ctd | what is it you need to speak about? |
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| 10:48.39 | mr^cyder | oke.. i wrote the is.. brb.. wish me luck :) |
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| 10:49.04 | promethues | oh,oh~i'm sorry,i'am at the other side of the earth |
| 10:50.35 | promethues | ctd,i just feel it's unnormal that no one speaks,but i forgot the time in the state now,sorry |
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| 10:51.02 | Putiikki | i can't get higher resolution than 1024x768. I have tried even 1600x1200 but when i start x, it's 1024x768. configuring with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 won't help |
| 10:51.30 | jan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.34 | jan_ | and rtfm :) |
| 10:52.11 | promethues | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:52.37 | multi_io | update-menus -d tells me that it scanned /home/olaf/.menu/ and found 9 entries in there, but there are only 6 files there. Furthermore, none of those files is actually turned into a menu. |
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| 10:52.55 | multi_io | how can this be? |
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| 10:53.32 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 10:53.51 | amorphix | does RDRAM have to be fitted in matching pairs? |
| 10:53.52 | promethues | amorphix, hi |
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| 10:54.02 | Putiikki | promethues: i'm not sure, but it should give something else than 1024x768 when trying higher resolution |
| 10:54.54 | amorphix | does anyone actually still use RDRAM? |
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| 10:56.15 | promethues | Putiikki, my monitor is 17 crt,so i never tried higher that 1024x768,i am so sorry that i can't help u |
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| 10:56.47 | amorphix | does Debian support dual CPU systems? |
| 10:57.14 | benjamindees | of course; you need the smp kernel |
| 10:57.23 | amorphix | cool |
| 10:57.31 | promethues | amorphix, but what's dual CPU systems? |
| 10:57.41 | amorphix | 2 CPU's in one system |
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| 10:57.57 | valdyn_ | multi_io: is the package "menu" installed? |
| 10:57.57 | amorphix | on the motherboard |
| 10:58.11 | promethues | oh,then i'm sure debian support this |
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| 10:58.23 | promethues | even more that 2:) |
| 10:58.48 | amorphix | does anyone know... in a dual CPU system, is it normally required to have the CPU clockspeeds matched? or can you have two different clockspeeds |
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| 10:59.22 | amorphix | i guess they would have to match? |
| 10:59.41 | valdyn_ | amorphix: i doubt they had to match, but fsb / ram speed needs to |
| 10:59.54 | amorphix | okay thx |
| 11:00.12 | amorphix | i guess RDRAM bus is obselete now |
| 11:00.40 | amorphix | ive just bought an old HP workstation hence all the questions |
| 11:00.40 | multi_io | valdyn_: yes |
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| 11:02.55 | technos | How old a HP workstation? I mean, if we're talking about SMP Intel and RDRAM, it's not that old. |
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| 11:03.40 | multi_io | valdyn_: I found the problem |
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| 11:04.06 | amorphix | technos: HP Kayak PC Workstation XU800 (came out in 2000), it's a dual P3, supporting up to 1Ghz |
| 11:04.14 | Turjakas` | i have a 3com 575 pcmcia network card and i'm trying to compile a 2.6.11 kernel with support for this card. I've found out that the driver is should use is 3c59x, but I cannot find it anywhere in the kernel config (i'm using menuconfig).. could someone tell me where it is hidden ? :) |
| 11:04.17 | multi_io | I forgot to prefix the package name with "local." in the menu file |
| 11:04.30 | amorphix | technos: paid £52 for it on ebay :-] |
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| 11:04.58 | multi_io | there really should be some warning message, at least when calling update-menus with "-d" |
| 11:05.02 | technos | Stupid thing.. Every three hours, this T1 hiccups. |
| 11:05.07 | mooded | hmm.. anybody knows a possibilty to do something like "route flush" on debian (i386) ? (route flush itself says flush is unsupported..) |
| 11:05.58 | mooded | i just wanna clean all routes and set up new ones... (without the need to take each interface down, eventually "del" specific routes.. asf) |
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| 11:06.26 | jc-denton | are there packages for firefox 1.0.3? |
| 11:06.32 | valdyn_ | mooded: route del <iface> |
| 11:06.41 | hoe | mooded: ip route flush cache |
| 11:07.00 | mooded | heya.. thanks valdyn_ , hoe :) |
| 11:07.16 | technos | jc-denton: No. AFAIK, Mozilla's own FTP does not have tarballs for 1.0.3, so there can't possibly be any. |
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| 11:07.35 | amorphix | technos: do you know anything about the older rambus (RDRAM) memory? |
| 11:07.41 | jc-denton | ? |
| 11:08.03 | technos | amorphix: Sure. Whatcha need to know? |
| 11:08.04 | jc-denton | they at least have binaries for osx.. (i just saw it..) |
| 11:08.14 | jc-denton | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html |
| 11:08.17 | jc-denton | i want 1.03 ;) |
| 11:08.22 | jc-denton | 1.0.3 |
| 11:08.25 | mooded | valdyn_, route del eth0 p.ex, doesnt work.. |
| 11:08.41 | Tuttle | I'm using Python 2.3 for Zope. Do I have to sys.setdefaultencoding('utf-8') in sitecustomize.py? |
| 11:08.50 | technos | jc-denton: They have binary tarballs for Win32 and OS/X up. Nothing for Linux, and no official release source tarball yet for anyone to package. |
| 11:09.03 | amorphix | technos: I'm wondering what the rules are, i know the memory has be inserted in pairs or you can use a blank module, but can you mix memory sizes, like 128mb + 256mb as a pair? |
| 11:09.14 | jc-denton | lol |
| 11:09.16 | jc-denton | that sucks a bit |
| 11:09.30 | technos | jc-denton: They'll be out early tomorrow I'm sure. |
| 11:09.38 | jc-denton | i hope so too |
| 11:09.40 | technos | amorphix: Have to be matched pairs. |
| 11:09.45 | amorphix | oh ok |
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| 11:10.01 | amorphix | and if you're using EEC, then all the rest must also? |
| 11:10.14 | technos | amorphix: Yup. |
| 11:10.15 | amorphix | *ECC |
| 11:10.19 | amorphix | ok thx |
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| 11:11.15 | hoe | mooded: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.rpdb.html |
| 11:11.16 | cahoot | technos: usinf firefox 1.0.3 as we speak on linux |
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| 11:11.32 | technos | cahoot: I looked for packages less than an hour ago. :P |
| 11:11.45 | technos | cahoot: They were faster than I thought. |
| 11:11.46 | Momow | technos: well, seems it has been release meanwhile :) |
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| 11:12.21 | hoe | mooded: or rather try http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 11:12.55 | mooded | hoe.. got it already.. it can be done with "ip route flush table main" |
| 11:13.05 | mooded | hoe, thanks in any case |
| 11:13.10 | Turjakas` | come on, someone :) .. which 2.6 kernel config setting includes 3com 3c59x module ? |
| 11:13.18 | promethues | any one use ipv6? |
| 11:13.31 | hoe | mooded: gj; np, anytime |
| 11:13.45 | amorphix | technos: ATA66 is very old for HDD interface eh? |
| 11:14.10 | amorphix | ATA133 and SATA is the latest eh |
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| 11:15.20 | technos | amorphix: ATA66 is plenty fast enough. |
| 11:15.31 | technos | amorphix: It's only a few years old. |
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| 11:15.52 | amorphix | oh |
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| 11:16.33 | cahoot | Turjakas`: hit '/' at top level menu in menuconfig - type 3com |
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| 11:16.57 | technos | amorphix: Most cheap hard drives are hard pressed to saturate ATA66, let alone ATA133. |
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| 11:17.18 | amorphix | i see |
| 11:17.38 | amorphix | i was reading an article about this relating to Maxtors ATA133 drives |
| 11:17.46 | amorphix | very interesting |
| 11:18.20 | amorphix | http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/action/printarticle/1431 |
| 11:18.27 | amorphix | if anyone cares to read |
| 11:18.29 | drac | Two of my ATA133, 40gb, Maxtor HDDs died without a warning. One is left, and i'm just waiting.. for it to pop. |
| 11:18.40 | amorphix | drac damn :-/ |
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| 11:19.01 | Turjakas` | cahoot: ok, i think i found it.. I was just confused about the 3com card names as none of them directly said that the 575 model was supported.. |
| 11:19.01 | Eclipser | I'm never going to buy maxtor anymore :) |
| 11:19.05 | amorphix | people talk about Maxtors being unreliable and dying suddenly but i think they're very good drives |
| 11:19.05 | drac | But I think that fault was only in 40gb series |
| 11:19.07 | cahoot | drac: the have a life expectancy of 12 months in my hands |
| 11:19.09 | amorphix | extremely quiet |
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| 11:19.23 | amorphix | ive had mine for years and no probs |
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| 11:19.36 | Eclipser | drac, my 40GB maxtor popped twice already, then I bougth seagate |
| 11:19.44 | amorphix | :-( |
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| 11:20.09 | amorphix | are the problems more prone in > 40GB drives? |
| 11:21.19 | amorphix | why are SCSI usually lower capacity? |
| 11:21.21 | benjamindees | I had a maxtor (20GB I think) that lastad a long time |
| 11:21.32 | technos | I've toasted everything at some point or another. The only drives I have that I can honestly say have lasted are a pair of Micropolis with like 60K hours on them. |
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| 11:22.36 | valdyn_ | amorphix: capacity is not that importnat for high performance storage systems |
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| 11:22.43 | amorphix | oh |
| 11:22.55 | technos | SCSI is typically engineered to be faster, less error prone, and longer lifetime. Storage capacity is not as important as speed and reliability. |
| 11:22.59 | amorphix | SCSI drives tend to be noiser than IDE/ATA drives eh |
| 11:23.04 | amorphix | cuz they spin faster |
| 11:23.36 | amorphix | my server has 6 SCSI drives and they're very noisey |
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| 11:24.03 | valdyn_ | amorphix: 10k used to be really bad, 15 still us i guess ( not using any though ) |
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| 11:24.11 | amorphix | but they're in cradles and hotswappable so i guess more exposed than internal drives |
| 11:24.19 | technos | Depends drive to drive too.. The old Barracuda 2Gb drives were very quiet. |
| 11:24.36 | amorphix | i hate noisey systems |
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| 11:24.50 | coldFire | hello.. just wondering, does debian have stable and current? which versions are they? |
| 11:25.05 | amorphix | ive been running a HP Brio machine for years and its so quiet you forget its on..HP is renounced for low noise systems |
| 11:25.12 | amorphix | *renowned |
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| 11:25.34 | benjamindees | coldFire, at the moment Debian has current/stable and obsolete/stable |
| 11:25.35 | technos | amorphix: I have a 735/125 at home right now that would call you a liar. That thing sounds like a freaking leafblower. |
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| 11:25.44 | valdyn_ | coldFire: stable is woody, current would be sarge or sid ( sid is the "unstable" one, sarge "testing" ) |
| 11:25.46 | amorphix | haha |
| 11:25.57 | amorphix | technos: what class of machine is that? a home user or biz? |
| 11:26.12 | coldFire | okies |
| 11:26.13 | coldFire | thanks |
| 11:26.14 | coldFire | oh |
| 11:26.24 | technos | amorphix: PA-RISC workstation. |
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| 11:26.36 | coldFire | what is debian like? as in i hear its like gentoo.. ? |
| 11:26.40 | valdyn_ | coldFire: not familiar with *bsd so i cannot tell if its sid or sarge that is more similar to "current" |
| 11:26.54 | amorphix | technos: well you should see my toshiba magnia server, now thats noisey! 3 big fans..ive had to house it in a sound proof cupboard |
| 11:27.01 | benjamindees | valdyn_, sarge is multipurpose |
| 11:27.33 | valdyn_ | benjamindees: i know, i do *not* know what people use for example freebsd's current branch for |
| 11:27.46 | amorphix | did i do well? |
| 11:27.53 | jethro | valdyn_: -current is more like sid |
| 11:28.04 | coldFire | freebsd's stable = 4.11 and current = 5.3 |
| 11:28.05 | valdyn_ | coldFire: gentoo might be the linux distro having the least in common with debian |
| 11:28.05 | benjamindees | valdyn_, yeah current I guess is unstable/sid |
| 11:28.07 | Anders1 | amorphix: sounds ok to me |
| 11:28.07 | Anders1 | ;p |
| 11:28.12 | amorphix | :) |
| 11:28.14 | jethro | valdyn_: as it's never released, as such |
| 11:28.19 | coldFire | okies |
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| 11:28.23 | technos | amorphix: If you want truly loud, stand next to a S/390 with bad compressor motors. Now that's loud. |
| 11:28.26 | amorphix | P3's are so cheap these days and still very usable CPU eh |
| 11:28.26 | benjamindees | valdyn_, but I don't think there's that much difference between sid and sarge |
| 11:28.33 | amorphix | hehe |
| 11:28.39 | coldFire | thanks |
| 11:28.40 | coldFire | cyas |
| 11:28.44 | coldFire | im going to try debian |
| 11:28.45 | coldFire | :) |
| 11:28.49 | coldFire | oh |
| 11:28.51 | coldFire | one more |
| 11:28.55 | jethro | benjamindees: then you didn't get the point |
| 11:28.59 | coldFire | is it more of server or workstation? |
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| 11:29.00 | valdyn_ | benjamindees: not usually, cept when something happens like..that bug that did "rm -rf /" |
| 11:29.28 | jethro | benjamindees: sarge is meant to freeze soon, and be released as the new stable debian distro, where sid will keep on moving |
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| 11:29.44 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 11:30.04 | ribnitz | my nvidia module is actiong up (sid). |
| 11:30.40 | valdyn_ | coldFire: its multipurpose. However since hardware support matters more for workstations ( gfx cards etc ), woody is less suitable for workstations |
| 11:31.17 | ribnitz | do the different nvidia components need to be the same versions. |
| 11:31.18 | coldFire | okies |
| 11:31.23 | valdyn_ | s/hardware support/recent hardware support/ |
| 11:31.26 | benjamindees | jethro, my understanding was that even -current in most parlance is frozen at some point, hence the confusion |
| 11:31.35 | coldFire | chers |
| 11:31.36 | coldFire | byw |
| 11:31.38 | coldFire | bye |
| 11:31.56 | ribnitz | valdyn_: workstation as in "those heavy duty gfx machines no one can afford"? |
| 11:32.28 | valdyn_ | ribnitz: as in, has a gforce4 or newer |
| 11:32.42 | jethro | benjamindees: -current, for the various |
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| 11:32.57 | benjamindees | jethro, as in, 'current = next stable', not 'current = perpetual beta'; that's usually reserved for "cvs" |
| 11:32.58 | jethro | benjamindees: -current, for the various *bsd I know, is meant to "try" new things, and implement design changes |
| 11:33.12 | jethro | benjamindees: omg |
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| 11:33.24 | ribnitz | valdyn_: ah. |
| 11:33.27 | jethro | benjamindees: cvs can give you -stable releases and -current branches too |
| 11:33.31 | valdyn_ | !gf4 |
| 11:33.34 | valdyn_ | !gforce4 |
| 11:33.35 | jethro | benjamindees: you're confusing things |
| 11:33.39 | benjamindees | jethro, no shit..., but in general |
| 11:34.11 | jethro | benjamindees: to me, -current == perpetual beta |
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| 11:34.24 | jethro | even though the beta can prove to behave in a stable way |
| 11:34.32 | benjamindees | jethro, I'm saying that's a Debianism |
| 11:34.40 | jethro | no it isn't |
| 11:34.57 | benjamindees | jethro, I'll think of some examples... |
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| 11:35.29 | jethro | benjamindees: use a freebsd system, track current, and you'll figure out that the tree for -current is broken sometime, and you can't build shit |
| 11:36.36 | omer07 | in hdb8 i have windows xp, when i starting computer, in the grub screen, i couldn't see the windows label to open xp. there are some settings in /boot/grub/menu.lst but i couldn't achive. How can i achive? |
| 11:36.46 | omer07 | in hdb8 i have windows xp, when i starting computer, in the grub screen, i couldn't see the windows label to open xp. there are some settings in /boot/grub/menu.lst but i couldn't achive. How can i achive? |
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| 11:38.44 | benjamindees | jethro, well I still think of Sarge as "current" and SID as "developers only" |
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| 11:39.04 | benjamindees | jethro, and I see the FreeBSD site says "Production (legacy)" so perhaps there's no standard usage :) |
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| 11:40.36 | jethro | `` When the "testing" distribution is mature enough, the release manager starts `freezing' it. The normal propagation delays are increased to ensure that as little as possible new bugs from "unstable" enter "testing". '' |
| 11:40.49 | jethro | `` When the "testing" distribution is mature enough, the release manager starts `freezing' it. The normal propagation delays are increased to ensure that as little as possible new bugs from "unstable" enter "testing". '' |
| 11:40.53 | jethro | oops |
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| 11:41.01 | jethro | benjamindees: When the "testing" distribution is mature enough, |
| 11:41.01 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.04 | jethro | wdman |
| 11:41.17 | jethro | benjamindees: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-testing |
| 11:41.26 | abrotman | jethro: why not just give him the link to read :) |
| 11:41.27 | abrotman | oh |
| 11:41.30 | jethro | Idid sorry |
| 11:41.40 | jethro | and sorry for not being able to cut and paste this morning :) |
| 11:41.51 | benjamindees | jethro, and I see FreeBSD releases from two branches, which would be more like "stable" and "testing", since both (theoretically) have releases |
| 11:41.52 | abrotman | !punish jethro's fragile fingers |
| 11:42.02 | abrotman | LoonaTick|afk: turn that fucking shit off |
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| 11:44.17 | omer07 | in hdb8 i have windows xp, when i starting computer, in the grub screen, i couldn't see the windows label to open xp. there are some setting |
| 11:44.28 | jethro | benjamindees: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/advanced.html#DEFINE-SNAP-RELEASE |
| 11:44.51 | jethro | benjamindees: read that too |
| 11:45.01 | abrotman | omer07: can grub boot an extended partition? |
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| 11:45.49 | abrotman | omer07: and did you try to add windows to the grub boot menu? |
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| 11:54.15 | mh | hi, how do you remove an interface from ifconfig? |
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| 11:54.47 | Burgundavia | is there a quick and easy guide to adding .desktop files to debian packages? |
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| 11:55.26 | jethro | mh: what are you trying to do? |
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| 11:55.49 | aardvark | bah. smelly ubuntu users. |
| 11:55.50 | _rene_ | Burgundavia: man cp? ;) |
| 11:55.52 | Burgundavia | jethro, trying to repackage some stuff so that it includes a .desktop file |
| 11:56.03 | _rene_ | Burgundavia: get the sources, add it, rebuild |
| 11:56.24 | jethro | Burgundavia: I asked mh, not you, but you can read the package maintainer guide |
| 11:56.34 | Burgundavia | I have been beating my had against a wall about this for a while |
| 11:56.40 | Burgundavia | I seem to be missing a crucial step |
| 11:56.49 | Burgundavia | aardvark, I resent that |
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| 11:57.04 | omer07 | abrotman: i2m sorry |
| 11:57.08 | mh | jethro: i accidentally added an ip to ifconfig and it wont remove, is there a way to force it? |
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| 11:57.19 | jethro | mh: just change it |
| 11:57.20 | mh | the interface name seems screwed up |
| 11:57.31 | omer07 | abrotman: grub is in HD0 |
| 11:57.40 | omer07 | i think it is extended |
| 11:57.46 | Burgundavia | _rene_, I got to the add it and all that, but I seem to be missing the "how does it know where to put it" stage |
| 11:57.50 | abrotman | omer07: you could ask #grub .. |
| 11:57.52 | jethro | mh: you can bring the interface up or down with ifconfig |
| 11:57.58 | mh | jethro: it is called "venet0:3:" rather than "venet0:3" |
| 11:57.59 | jethro | mh: not remove anything |
| 11:58.00 | hume | hi...how do I boot an already installed system from a debian sarge cd? |
| 11:58.04 | mh | jethro: doesnt work |
| 11:58.11 | jethro | ah |
| 11:58.14 | jethro | an alias? |
| 11:58.37 | omer07 | abrotman: i asked there but there noone chatting |
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| 11:59.03 | abrotman | omer07: they are slow sometimes |
| 11:59.05 | mh | jethro: it was on the server as venet0 when i got it |
| 11:59.24 | jethro | mh: how did it become venet0:3: ? |
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| 11:59.53 | mh | jethro: i was adding ips, then removing them, but i `ifconfig venet0:3 del 67.159.9.3` when the address was .4 |
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| 11:59.58 | mh | and it created that interface |
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| 12:01.16 | jethro | mh: I d say you need to remove the kernel module(s) for this venet0 interface |
| 12:01.29 | jethro | mh: then reload it, then reconfigure the interface |
| 12:01.53 | mh | i can do this remotely? |
| 12:02.00 | Burgundavia | aardvark, if you really want to know, I plan to email all my changes to the debian maintainer, so they can use them as well |
| 12:02.04 | jethro | mh: the safer bet would be to reboot the system imho |
| 12:02.32 | jethro | mh: I assume it boots ok :) |
| 12:02.38 | mh | jethro: its a vds, not sure if its wise |
| 12:02.43 | tzafrir_laptop | I have created a deb for a web interface that runs with its own web server. Do I need to "register" a port for it anywhere? Any RTFM? |
| 12:02.45 | jethro | vds? |
| 12:02.50 | mh | virtual dedicated server |
| 12:02.56 | mh | its running in something such as vmware |
| 12:02.57 | jethro | mh: call your support |
| 12:03.00 | mh | i did |
| 12:03.09 | mh | they told me to remove the interface |
| 12:03.10 | mh | lol |
| 12:03.12 | jethro | mh: aah hence the venet, it rang a bell but I didn't know what |
| 12:03.26 | jethro | mh: reboot, and call them if it fails |
| 12:03.57 | jethro | mh: if you didn't mess around with the startup files rebooting is safe |
| 12:04.07 | mh | jethro: i have told them it doesnt delete, i will wait for a reply |
| 12:04.17 | tzafrir_laptop | Alternativly, write a small script to do i, and hope the script won't fail. |
| 12:04.34 | technos | tzafrir_laptop: Naw. You could add an entry into services if it's a multi user box, just so other users know what the hell that is sitting on the port, but if it's a single user machine you really shouldn't have to do anything. |
| 12:04.36 | jethro | tzafrir_laptop: rebooting is safer imho :) |
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| 12:05.12 | tzafrir_laptop | technos, and if I want to distribute the package? upstream uses port 8080 |
| 12:05.45 | technos | tzafrir_laptop: Oh, planning to distribute it? Nevermind me then. |
| 12:06.22 | jethro | tzafrir_laptop: 8080/tcp is already assigned, but you don't need to register a port, really |
| 12:06.43 | jethro | tzafrir_laptop: if you really want to, then IANA might be the right place |
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| 12:07.01 | mh | what do i do with .deb files? |
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| 12:08.12 | streuner_ | mh: what for? |
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| 12:08.31 | reubot | mh: if you want to install, 'dpkg -i <file.' |
| 12:08.34 | streuner_ | mh: in other words, why don't you install over apt-get? |
| 12:08.42 | reubot | although |
| 12:08.56 | reubot | dpkg doesn;t look after dependencies |
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| 12:09.22 | mh | streuner_: because i cannot access the internet, and apt-get is screwed up |
| 12:10.04 | streuner_ | mh: what kind of i-net connection do you have? |
| 12:10.36 | streuner_ | mh: debian is designed for i-net, without i-net you get more headaches |
| 12:10.38 | mh | neh, doesnt matter, i will use apt-get when its fixed |
| 12:10.52 | mh | streuner_: its a web server, and its broken. |
| 12:10.59 | Elen | Just wiped the disk with debian-installer (created 2 ext3 and one swap filesystems). Then realized I didn't backup my father's .evolution directory (whith all his emails). Is it possible to recover these files ? |
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| 12:11.18 | streuner_ | mh: so debian package management is broken? |
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| 12:11.34 | mh | streuner_: no, the internet connection on it is. |
| 12:11.41 | drac | dpkg: rip |
| 12:11.42 | dpkg | methinks rip is an old routing protocol, still in use in many places however, but probably better to use OSPF or BGP accordingly |
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| 12:12.09 | mtnman | elen: do you have a knoppix cd? |
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| 12:12.24 | Elen | mtnman, yeah or some other livecd |
| 12:12.25 | ldexter | the problem is with rip? |
| 12:12.45 | orjan | How do I setup rdesktop to print to a local printer? |
| 12:13.37 | technos | orjan: The same way you'd set the remote machine you're rdesktop'ping to to print to a remote printer. :) |
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| 12:13.48 | mtnman | elen: hmmm.... well, midnight commander has a commmand to undelete files from an ext2 partition. but since you repartitioned, i don't think that it will work. |
| 12:14.00 | Elen | :/ |
| 12:14.16 | mh | thanks for the help :) |
| 12:14.18 | orjan | technos: hmm could you explain a bit more, or poit to any docs |
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| 12:14.47 | technos | If the partitions have been formatted, you're screwed. You may have luck with restoring the old partition geometry with fdisk and seeing what's still around. |
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| 12:15.49 | technos | orjan: rdesktop only implements the older specification without local printing. |
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| 12:16.09 | Elen | well I've no record of the partition boundaries... But wouldn't it be possible to grep the disk for some known strings ? Well I guess the files are spread all over the disk... |
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| 12:16.38 | [sr] | howdy |
| 12:16.52 | [sr] | i just entered #bind and no one's there... |
| 12:16.58 | technos | orjan: So what you have to do is actually configure the remote machine to print to your local printer.. Using lpr/samba/whatever. |
| 12:17.14 | orjan | technos: ahh ok got it, thanks |
| 12:17.21 | [sr] | is there here anyone who configured a dhcp version 3 with bind for reverse dns auto update throw dhcp? |
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| 12:18.01 | technos | Elen: Might get lucky with a "close enough".. IE, if you know you used to have one 40gb partition and one 20gb partition, etc.. |
| 12:18.37 | Usiu | Hi, I have a problem with cupsys I get client-error-not-authorized on 127.0.0.1:631 |
| 12:18.37 | Usiu | Any help ?/ |
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| 12:18.48 | orjan | technos: so if I'm on another local net I have to connect with some kind of vpn? |
| 12:19.32 | Usiu | ? |
| 12:19.39 | Elen | technos, so if I create say a 10 GB partition somewhere, and tell fdisk it's ext3, then with some luck I'll be able to mount it ? |
| 12:20.23 | tzafrir_laptop | Is there any debian package that uses port 6500 by default? |
| 12:20.44 | Usiu | tzafrir, lsof -i -n a see |
| 12:20.52 | paulswm | Elen: you can use gpart to try to recover the partitions |
| 12:20.55 | tzafrir_laptop | Is it a relatively safe choice for a listening port for my package? |
| 12:20.56 | benjamindees | jethro, so FreeBSD just has two releases going at once? is there any other difference between them (ie update policies)? |
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| 12:21.25 | tzafrir_laptop | Usiu, as I said before, I want to distribute that package. Upstream currently uses 8080 |
| 12:21.26 | technos | orjan: Basically. Or switch to an rdp client that knows local printing. |
| 12:21.32 | Usiu | tzafrir, is apps is using it apt-file sarch app |
| 12:21.43 | paulswm | I've recovered partition with gpart, it's a bit of legwork and some reading, but it's not that hard |
| 12:21.50 | jethro | benjamindees: I was trying to get some mor einformation about it, but didn't yet, hold on or search by yourself ;) |
| 12:21.59 | orjan | technos: is there any rdp client on linux that does? |
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| 12:22.05 | Elen | paulswm, thanks I'll look at it |
| 12:22.14 | tzafrir_laptop | Usiu, search for what file? |
| 12:22.26 | disappear | hi, when i run lilo i get this message : part_nowrite: read:: Input/output error |
| 12:22.29 | disappear | any ideas how i can fix this |
| 12:22.37 | technos | orjan: Not that I am aware of. There might be a java based one that runs on Linux, but that's commercial and you'll pay out the nose for it. |
| 12:23.01 | paulswm | Elen: you're wlecome, your problem may be how much has been scribbled onto the disk since the repartitioning, but it's your best chance |
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| 12:23.10 | technos | I always keep my partition table written down on a sticky inside the case and blind repartition when I do dumb crap like wiping the table. |
| 12:23.13 | orjan | technos: oki thanks, again, has some tesing to do now :) |
| 12:23.37 | benjamindees | jethro, np, just thought you might know :) |
| 12:23.38 | Elen | technos, I think I'll do the same next time :) |
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| 12:23.57 | Manny | hi |
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| 12:24.06 | paulswm | ake sure you have enough info, like do an sfdisk -d to a file and save that |
| 12:24.11 | Manny | I can't find experimental/gnome-panel for ppc |
| 12:24.16 | Elen | paulswm, ok |
| 12:24.26 | Manny | this prevents me from upgrading my whole GNOME desktop environment to 2.10 |
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| 12:24.48 | Manny | according to http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org, they're all upstream |
| 12:24.56 | jethro | benjamindees: I d prefer not to tell you things I m not sure of :) |
| 12:25.03 | Usiu | tzafrir_laptop, ok then ;) |
| 12:25.05 | Usiu | I have a problem with cupsys I get client-error-not-authorized on 127.0.0.1:631 |
| 12:25.07 | Usiu | Any help ? |
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| 12:25.44 | valdyn_ | Manny: upstream = ftp.gnome.org |
| 12:26.05 | adaran | now this is a bit annoying - i have an mp3 player running and it skips - because a backup (flexbackup involving bzip2 and copying stuff from one hd to another) is running |
| 12:26.07 | Manny | oh |
| 12:26.11 | Manny | how can I help out with gnome 2.10? |
| 12:26.23 | paulswm | jethro: I'm impressed by your intergrity, of course no one ever does that here :) |
| 12:26.26 | adaran | i reniced the mp3 player to -20 (all the backup stuff is running at 10) and it STILL skips - any advice? |
| 12:26.43 | adaran | top tells me, that when it skips, i got 100% CPU usage from "system" - is there any way to change that priority? |
| 12:26.45 | streuner_ | Manny: if you have to ask, don't use it |
| 12:27.12 | jethro | paulswm: well, thanks :) |
| 12:27.19 | valdyn_ | Manny: compile it yourself or dont ue it (yet) |
| 12:27.24 | Elen | adaran, maybe an mp3 mplayer that does "read-ahead" ? |
| 12:27.25 | valdyn_ | Manny: compile it yourself or dont use it (yet) |
| 12:27.44 | paulswm | Just keep your memory away from the toilet, that's not how one is supposed to flush the cache |
| 12:27.54 | jethro | heh |
| 12:28.26 | adaran | Elen, i guess - but why does my system ignore the priorities i set? |
| 12:28.42 | Manny | valdyn_: can I submit the package somewhere? |
| 12:29.03 | Elen | adaran, dunno, I guess some operations have to be completed before switching to an other task |
| 12:29.09 | streuner_ | Manny: what version of debian do you running? |
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| 12:29.23 | valdyn_ | Manny: no idea if thee is a point in doing that, its being packaged |
| 12:29.27 | Manny | streuner_: sid |
| 12:29.46 | streuner_ | Manny: alioth.debian.org |
| 12:29.50 | Manny | it hasn't been uploaded for weeks |
| 12:29.53 | Manny | streuner_: ...and? |
| 12:29.59 | Manny | I've added those |
| 12:30.06 | jethro | benjamindees: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/article.html :) |
| 12:30.13 | Manny | apt-cache showpkg only brings up 2.8.3 |
| 12:30.23 | Manny | but sources are available for 2.10 |
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| 12:30.26 | Manny | I've just downloaded them |
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| 12:30.36 | mr^cyder | hello :( |
| 12:30.47 | Mr^Cyder | i have a problem :( |
| 12:31.37 | Mr^Cyder | i've installed debian sarge with kernel 2.6.X , and when i boot, i have an eror : PnPBIOS, dock i don't remember what |
| 12:31.41 | streuner_ | Manny: did you mail the maintainer? |
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| 12:31.55 | Manny | streuner_: no. Why? |
| 12:32.08 | Mr^Cyder | and this error it's shown as a second :D |
| 12:32.09 | Mr^Cyder | :| |
| 12:32.41 | Mr^Cyder | the hardware is a little old.. must i try 2.4.X kernel? |
| 12:32.52 | benjamindees | jethro, well, coldFire said "current" for FBSD was "5.3" (which is what I think of when I hear "current"), but the FBSD faq says "current" is 6 (ie "active development") |
| 12:32.56 | m4lu6 | define "old" hardware if you please |
| 12:33.11 | Mr^Cyder | pentium @ 233 with 64 mb.. |
| 12:33.12 | jethro | benjamindees: yes he was wrong, 6.X is the -current tree |
| 12:33.14 | Mr^Cyder | 3 gig hdd |
| 12:33.29 | Mr^Cyder | ah.. the 64 RAm is made from 2 different modules 2*32 |
| 12:33.33 | m4lu6 | that's not old hardware. i thought you were going to say something like 386/16 w/4mb ram |
| 12:33.37 | Mr^Cyder | :) |
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| 12:33.55 | Mr^Cyder | the only distribution that worked is slackware.. |
| 12:33.57 | technos | m4lu6: Anything I have to consult a gray-hair over because I was still in diapers when it was made. |
| 12:34.09 | Mr^Cyder | nor ubuntu mandrake knoppix worked on that box :| |
| 12:34.19 | Petrov | are they people of belgium? |
| 12:34.30 | asg | Petrov: quite a few |
| 12:34.40 | tam | hi all, has anyone's locate db ever get flushed every day for no apparent reason and you need to update the db and then it works fine for so long ? |
| 12:34.52 | Mr^Cyder | any idea? |
| 12:35.00 | asg | Petrov: though not many here |
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| 12:35.28 | Petrov | are you from belgium? |
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| 12:35.45 | benjamindees | anyone want to pick at this (comparative release strategies): http://www.deesconsulting.com/releases.txt |
| 12:35.47 | asg | no |
| 12:35.55 | Mr^Cyder | i've already spend 300 megs on my 1 mb connection :| |
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| 12:36.07 | paulswm | Old hardware is PDP-9, Univac 1008, IBM360, Ferranti Sirius/Pegasus and prior IMO |
| 12:36.08 | Mr^Cyder | is there anything i can do? |
| 12:36.13 | Mr^Cyder | ;) |
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| 12:36.33 | Mr^Cyder | brb.. i will try 2 enter in "safe mode" |
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| 12:36.50 | death^Zzzz | how can u spend 300mb outta 1 mb connection? |
| 12:37.16 | jethro | benjamindees: I d say you're comparing totally different things which is not making sense |
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| 12:37.54 | m4lu6 | SID is surprisingly Stable. |
| 12:38.00 | abrotman | !ru |
| 12:38.00 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 12:38.10 | light_punch2 | where's the place to check for my distro release version? |
| 12:38.20 | jethro | light_punch2: /etc/debian-version |
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| 12:38.23 | abrotman | light_punch2: distrowatch.com |
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| 12:38.33 | benjamindees | jethro, well I'm trying to compare things by "use" rather than by "arbitrary name" |
| 12:38.47 | Chris`` | hey can anyone tell me what i can access SWAT with ?¿ |
| 12:38.52 | abrotman | light_punch2: you mean in debian ... or in general? |
| 12:38.55 | benjamindees | and no, SID is not "stable" by definition |
| 12:39.03 | _deathz0r_ | Chris`` with a browser |
| 12:39.06 | abrotman | Chris``: a webbrowser iirc |
| 12:39.08 | toresbe | paulswm: HAH! a 360? Modern?! It's got several transistors integrated on a metal slab! INTEGRATED CIRCUITS! |
| 12:39.11 | benjamindees | "stable" meaning "not changing" |
| 12:39.22 | toresbe | paulswm: s/modern/old |
| 12:39.23 | Mr^Cyder | back: the error is: PnPBIOS: pnp_dock_thread: invalid function number passed |
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| 12:39.27 | paulswm | toresbe: Heh |
| 12:39.29 | light_punch2 | jethro, thx |
| 12:39.30 | toresbe | That stuff is high-tech, man! |
| 12:39.33 | Chris`` | so in my browser i just enter 192.168.1.4 .... and its there |
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| 12:39.41 | _deathz0r_ | and the port |
| 12:39.42 | Mr^Cyder | death^zzzz: i have limited traffic :( |
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| 12:39.47 | m4lu6 | Mr^Cyder, turn off PnP? |
| 12:39.50 | jethro | benjamindees: an operating system is not the same as a desktop environment, or a kernel |
| 12:39.54 | Mr^Cyder | m4lu6: how? |
| 12:39.55 | Chris`` | whats the port tho deathz0r ?¿ |
| 12:39.57 | Mr^Cyder | i'm new to debian |
| 12:40.00 | m4lu6 | Mr^Cyder, Bios. |
| 12:40.01 | _deathz0r_ | 901 should be |
| 12:40.01 | paulswm | toresbe: I just threw it in, most kiddies wouldn't know the difference :) |
| 12:40.04 | Chris`` | ta |
| 12:40.06 | Mr^Cyder | m4lu6: oke |
| 12:40.06 | Mr^Cyder | :) |
| 12:40.09 | kombi | what was it again to re-configure a package? dpkg -reconfigure something? |
| 12:40.10 | Mr^Cyder | let me see:D |
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| 12:40.23 | drac | kombi: dpkg-reconfigure something, is correct. |
| 12:40.25 | abrotman | Chris``: you need a port number |
| 12:40.29 | kombi | thanks! |
| 12:40.30 | abrotman | Chris``: and it should be in your conf |
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| 12:40.32 | abrotman | or use netstat |
| 12:40.34 | jethro | kombi: dpkg-reconfigure <package> and you can use the -p switch in some cases |
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| 12:40.43 | toresbe | paulswm: It's even got diagnostics, man! :) |
| 12:40.48 | jethro | kombi: to set the priority, man dpkg-reconfigure for more details |
| 12:40.49 | benjamindees | jethro, different releases of each have similar uses |
| 12:40.49 | toresbe | as in, diags in hardware |
| 12:41.04 | light_punch2 | abrotman, i found it |
| 12:41.09 | abrotman | light_punch2: ok |
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| 12:41.30 | kombi | thanks tethro |
| 12:41.32 | paulswm | toresbe: And card reader/punch and printer, no need for paper tape I/O! |
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| 12:41.43 | technos | How about we just define old as anything with a microprocessor speed expressed in KHz on the spec sheet? |
| 12:41.50 | benjamindees | jethro, or to put it another way, you only "release" when you want some feature that can't be gotten otherwise |
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| 12:42.00 | abrotman | benjamindees: no |
| 12:42.19 | abrotman | technos: i have a 66000Khz machine here |
| 12:42.20 | abrotman | :) |
| 12:42.24 | jethro | benjamindees: but you don't deal with it the same way, if it's a kernel, an operating system, or a desktop environment |
| 12:42.40 | paulswm | technos: anything with < 10MB disk drives which are the size of washing machines, maybe :) |
| 12:42.43 | jethro | benjamindees: anyways, it's been off topic far enough |
| 12:42.43 | abrotman | you always release when it's ready |
| 12:42.47 | _deathz0r_ | abrotman lol |
| 12:43.08 | Mr^Cyder | i can't stop pnp.. |
| 12:43.08 | toresbe | technos: actually, they didn't write it in Kilohertz |
| 12:43.21 | kombi | any bass players amoung the debian lovers? |
| 12:43.22 | benjamindees | abrotman, do developers "release" their changes to the project when they're "ready" ? |
| 12:43.23 | Mr^Cyder | i have no option |
| 12:43.24 | _deathz0r_ | Mr^Cyder why? |
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| 12:43.32 | jethro | benjamindees: some do, some don't |
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| 12:43.41 | toresbe | technos: back then, CPUs were so different in design that a clock rate would be absolutely useless |
| 12:43.43 | _deathz0r_ | shuld be something like "PnP aware OS" |
| 12:43.47 | abrotman | benjamindees: as oppsed to "look .. i got a cool new feature .. but it doesn't work right .. have fun" ? |
| 12:43.47 | Mr^Cyder | _deathz0r_: because i have no option of stopping the Pnp.. |
| 12:43.48 | jethro | benjamindees: that depends on the project policy/guidelines |
| 12:43.50 | Mr^Cyder | OR |
| 12:44.00 | kombi | I be the only one then.. |
| 12:44.01 | paulswm | It used to be not hertz, but seconds per cycle, heh |
| 12:44.09 | abrotman | uninstall discover |
| 12:44.10 | Mr^Cyder | in the PnP menu, i have Pnp/Irq.. and if i disable them the cards won't work |
| 12:44.18 | toresbe | technos: Before purchasing a computer, you asked your best programmer to write relevant benchmarks in machine code |
| 12:44.22 | benjamindees | abrotman, how about "look, I've got a cool new distro, but it doesn't have Truetype Fonts" :p |
| 12:44.24 | toresbe | or assembly |
| 12:44.24 | bluefox83 | was anyone aware of any serious memory leakage problems with the debian 2.6.8 kernel release/ |
| 12:44.25 | _deathz0r_ | look for it in advance menu |
| 12:44.26 | abrotman | or install woody then upgrade |
| 12:44.31 | bluefox83 | ? |
| 12:44.38 | Mr^Cyder | should i install kernek 2.4.X ? |
| 12:44.39 | _deathz0r_ | PnP aware OS or something along the lines |
| 12:44.39 | abrotman | benjamindees: fonts are like sound .. fluff and unneeded |
| 12:44.45 | Mr^Cyder | w8 |
| 12:44.49 | _deathz0r_ | youre on 2.6? |
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| 12:44.53 | toresbe | abrotman: hahaha, yeah, *right*. |
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| 12:45.09 | abrotman | toresbe: what? .. i haven't changed a font .. in years .. and my sound is off by default |
| 12:45.11 | kombi | abrotman: don't tell the typographer |
| 12:45.27 | Chris`` | does swat have a config file i can refer to or sumthin ?¿ |
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| 12:45.29 | benjamindees | abrotman, perhaps to some developers, "working software" is fluff and unneeded, or "security" |
| 12:45.30 | paulswm | abrotman: And you were bugging me to get sound running? |
| 12:45.37 | bluefox83 | the 2.6 kernels make debian a much more plug and play freindly OS, but it's not perfect (yet) |
| 12:45.39 | _deathz0r_ | Chris`` of course |
| 12:45.42 | toresbe | abrotman: I agree with you on the sound deal, but fonts are important to a lot of people for quite valid reasons |
| 12:45.43 | abrotman | paulswm: because it's nice when you want it :) |
| 12:46.02 | Chris`` | Oh Cool _deathz0r_ can you tell me where it is ?¿ |
| 12:46.05 | abrotman | benjamindees: that's thier responsibility as a developer .. should work correctly and be secure |
| 12:46.21 | benjamindees | abrotman, bah, tell that to Microsoft :p |
| 12:46.21 | paulswm | bluefox83: I've had no memory leakage problems with 2.6.8 and I'm running it on 4 boxes 24x7 |
| 12:46.23 | xiaogil | How to say: look for everything begining with abc until this end of the line usung regexp ? Something like abc*\n, but the * doesn't work...? |
| 12:46.26 | _deathz0r_ | Chris did you look at man page? |
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| 12:46.32 | abrotman | benjamindees: did i claim they were responsible? |
| 12:46.38 | Chris`` | yeh it just says about smb.conf .. |
| 12:46.41 | Chris`` | etc |
| 12:46.57 | bluefox83 | paulswm, i had a serious problem with 2.6.8, it would reboot my box after watching a movie or running for more than 3 days |
| 12:47.01 | technos | torebse: I suppose you're right.. Processor speeds specced in KHz only started in the mid-70's, and clock speed before that was meaningless.. How about any machine with a memory capacity expressed in KW? |
| 12:47.03 | bluefox83 | afk |
| 12:47.12 | benjamindees | abrotman, you're really set on this "no one must improve Debian but us" rag aren't you? |
| 12:47.18 | toresbe | technos: a cycle wasn't even a cycle and that was the end of that |
| 12:47.41 | abrotman | benjamindees: us who? |
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| 12:48.03 | abrotman | benjamindees: it can be fixed if by fixing you mean release faster .. but it should never have a date .. release when it's done |
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| 12:48.07 | benjamindees | abrotman, "developers" |
| 12:48.08 | Mr^Cyder | back: same problem.. |
| 12:48.15 | abrotman | benjamindees: but what do you mean by fix? |
| 12:48.16 | Mr^Cyder | even if i have disabled some pnp options |
| 12:48.24 | blargh | Will the floppy disk install over pppoe? |
| 12:48.38 | toresbe | technos: let's take the PDP-7, a quite representative scientific minicomputer (AKA - it doesn't need three-phase and A/C) from 1965 |
| 12:48.40 | paulswm | bluefox83: Not here never had a problem like that with any kernel, maybe it's BIOS related like CPU overheating or something? |
| 12:48.46 | jan_valko | moin |
| 12:48.49 | benjamindees | abrotman, I don't believe I ever used the word "fix"... |
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| 12:49.02 | Mr^Cyder | i will use the 2.4.X kernel, and then i |
| 12:49.05 | Mr^Cyder | i'll tell u :) |
| 12:49.09 | abrotman | benjamindees: improve/fix . whatever .. how do you want debian improved? |
| 12:49.23 | abrotman | improve implies something is broken ... hence .. fix |
| 12:49.36 | _deathz0r_ | Mr^Cyder did you try with woody "compact" |
| 12:49.37 | _deathz0r_ | ? |
| 12:49.47 | toresbe | technos: it had three main states, fetch, defer and execute, and had about 7 substates. |
| 12:49.50 | abrotman | did he try woody? at all ? |
| 12:49.55 | benjamindees | abrotman, "Microsoft True Type fonts" I think was my example... |
| 12:50.06 | Mr^Cyder | _deathz0r_: i am using debian net installer for sarge .. |
| 12:50.22 | abrotman | benjamindees: but i'd rather not have a ton of fonts .. i think 2 . sans serif and serif .. done |
| 12:50.32 | _deathz0r_ | oh, then youre stuck with sarge since you have a limited conex |
| 12:50.39 | Mr^Cyder | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:50.39 | _deathz0r_ | tri 2.4 |
| 12:50.46 | Mr^Cyder | oke:) |
| 12:50.48 | _deathz0r_ | try* |
| 12:50.48 | valdyn | !info msttcorefonts |
| 12:50.50 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 12:50.52 | abrotman | benjamindees: sorry .. i was never a font junkie :) |
| 12:50.57 | abrotman | !ttf |
| 12:50.57 | dpkg | ttf is, like, the extension of a True Type Font, checkout freetype or ask me about truetype for location of debian howto. for truetype font support with XF4 ask me about ttf xf4, or see <msttcorefonts>, or see <bobfont> |
| 12:50.58 | valdyn | benjamindees: whats wrong with them? ^^^ |
| 12:51.08 | streuner_ | hm |
| 12:51.10 | abrotman | i bet those don't work anymore :) |
| 12:51.10 | Chris`` | !info swat |
| 12:51.14 | benjamindees | abrotman, or, if you want to go down this path, how about "stability" (as in the UI not changing) |
| 12:51.16 | dpkg | swat: (Samba Web Administration Tool), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3908 kB, Installed size: 8896 kB |
| 12:51.21 | Mr^Cyder | btw.. in my traffic logs from my isp, i have no traffic on the romanian mirror:D |
| 12:51.22 | Mr^Cyder | brb :D |
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| 12:51.28 | toresbe | technos: states include Memory Fetch, Memory Inhibit, and a whole set of CPU things which were known only by their number. |
| 12:51.33 | abrotman | benjamindees: you want the UI not to change? |
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| 12:51.41 | blargh | Mr^Cyder: I'm talking about the floppy install, will it work over pppoe? |
| 12:51.51 | benjamindees | abrotman, my point is, releases have a purpose that can be generically quantified |
| 12:51.53 | bluefox83 | back |
| 12:51.53 | toresbe | technos: anyway, an instruction could use anywhere between one and three minor states |
| 12:51.58 | blargh | Because I do not have a CD burner |
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| 12:52.11 | abrotman | benjamindees: that doesn't mean you sohuld rush them for the sake of a release |
| 12:52.16 | toresbe | technos: all the way to all the 7 minor states |
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| 12:52.24 | bluefox83 | paulswm, no my cpu stays almost 50 degrees short of overheating, even when it's getting a workout |
| 12:52.25 | benjamindees | abrotman, that seems to be the reason lots of people pay lots of money to Microsoft |
| 12:52.41 | jethro | hah |
| 12:52.50 | benjamindees | abrotman, a reason at least, Redhat too |
| 12:52.57 | _deathz0r_ | Chris`` did you try http://localhost:901 and didnt work? |
| 12:53.04 | Chris`` | yeh |
| 12:53.06 | davi | What app do you advise me to test my mic ? |
| 12:53.08 | m4lu6 | mmm. do some wardriving today, or get tanked and go fishing. hmm. |
| 12:53.13 | toresbe | technos: so "cycle" time varied by an order of magnitude depending on instruction |
| 12:53.24 | m4lu6 | found 70+ wide-open networks last weekend. idjits. |
| 12:53.29 | Chris`` | i did http://192.168.1.4:901 |
| 12:53.36 | abrotman | benjamindees: no .. because MS promises "Faster OS,More Secure, More Features " etc |
| 12:53.36 | benjamindees | abrotman, how did you get on this "rush" thing? I'm just talking about comparing release strategies, not putting Debian on a time clock... |
| 12:53.40 | _deathz0r_ | try 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:53.50 | toresbe | m4lu6: actually not. I run an open network, and so should everyone else |
| 12:53.56 | Chris`` | Nope :( |
| 12:54.04 | abrotman | benjamindees: i'm guess i'm rather confused about what you don't like about the debian release structure |
| 12:54.23 | toresbe | m4lu6: and then make sure the machines on the inside are running safe protocols and patched services. |
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| 12:54.32 | m4lu6 | toresbe, i'm sure most are not. |
| 12:54.39 | Mr^Cyder | that's nice:D |
| 12:54.42 | bluefox83 | can anyone recommend some good examples of iptables configurations? |
| 12:54.43 | m4lu6 | you wanna see a map? :) |
| 12:54.47 | _deathz0r_ | did you make any mayor changes on smb.conf ? |
| 12:54.51 | toresbe | m4lu6: no, not really. :P |
| 12:54.54 | abrotman | bluefox83: netfilter.org .. has links |
| 12:54.56 | chrysopa | How to discover the HD capacity withou this is installed |
| 12:54.56 | Mr^Cyder | when i booted from 2.4 kernel, i had no problems in finding the installation cdrom.. |
| 12:55.03 | Chris`` | _deathz0r_ no i didnt |
| 12:55.04 | bluefox83 | abrotman, ty |
| 12:55.08 | abrotman | bluefox83: and some of them are fantastic |
| 12:55.13 | chrysopa | in hd dont have this information |
| 12:55.15 | Mr^Cyder | now i must go.. |
| 12:55.16 | m4lu6 | damn. it's a cool map. house after house after house, nobody shares. |
| 12:55.19 | Mr^Cyder | i'll b back:) |
| 12:55.19 | benjamindees | abrotman, well, obviously it isn't often enough, if that's all you're wondering... |
| 12:55.21 | toresbe | m4lu6: yeah, most aren't... But still, play nice and be thankful for the uplink ;) |
| 12:55.23 | Mr^Cyder | btw.. thx 4 u'r help |
| 12:55.35 | abrotman | benjamindees: i think it's quite often enough .. are you an admin? |
| 12:55.44 | benjamindees | abrotman, yes |
| 12:55.46 | _deathz0r_ | is samba running? (lol i have to ask) |
| 12:55.52 | asg | away brb |
| 12:55.52 | abrotman | benjamindees: and you enjoy doing upgrades often ? |
| 12:55.55 | asg | bah |
| 12:56.01 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 12:56.08 | abrotman | cause .. you know that's where he's going :) |
| 12:56.09 | benjamindees | abrotman, I use Fedora, so... no :) |
| 12:56.18 | asg | abrotman: at 9 am? |
| 12:56.38 | abrotman | benjamindees: but RHEL does exactly what debian does .. release slowly .. somehow . it's an advantage for RHEL .. but a stigma for Debian? |
| 12:56.46 | Chris`` | yeh it is death |
| 12:56.47 | abrotman | asg: oh .. osrry .. thought it was later |
| 12:57.02 | asg | abrotman: though 10:30 isn't that far away ;) |
| 12:57.06 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:57.26 | toresbe | m4lu6: the last thing we want is public awareness... :P |
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| 12:57.43 | technos | abrotman: Feel free to feed me as many as you like.. I'm off the clock in about five minutes. |
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| 12:57.49 | robert | Hey... my system decided to go Swedish without asking me... where do I change this? |
| 12:57.58 | abrotman | technos: you can !beer me |
| 12:58.15 | liable | robert: withouy you asking eh? |
| 12:58.17 | abrotman | asg: btw .. if you see an op that would care .. someone else is running a !punish <person> bot |
| 12:58.30 | benjamindees | abrotman, if you'd recommend me switching to Woody, I will... |
| 12:58.39 | robert | liable: Yep. |
| 12:58.50 | _deathz0r_ | Chris`` check /etc/services |
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| 12:59.09 | _deathz0r_ | swat 901/tcp should be in it |
| 12:59.10 | robert | liable: I would have noticed if I changed the local to Swedish. |
| 12:59.18 | robert | (I hope) |
| 12:59.19 | benjamindees | abrotman, last time I checked that wasn't recommended though |
| 12:59.24 | abrotman | benjamindees: i just meant that releasing infrequently isn't a problem .. and i guess most companies that release stuff that you would bet your life on .. just don't release every 6 months |
| 12:59.30 | abrotman | benjamindees: for servers it is |
| 12:59.44 | Chris`` | ße Right ßack |
| 12:59.51 | abrotman | O K |
| 12:59.55 | liable | robert: must have a mind of its own, some sort of new swedish debian taking over the world |
| 13:00.12 | robert | The horror. |
| 13:00.15 | benjamindees | abrotman, even with the included kernel? |
| 13:00.28 | abrotman | benjamindees: honestly .. i'd say if debian could have a stable release every 18-24 months .. that would be fantastic |
| 13:00.30 | abrotman | benjamindees: yes |
| 13:00.37 | _deathz0r_ | hey has anybody ever installed woody 2.2 on a m748 pcchips mobo? |
| 13:00.39 | liable | robert: seriously, you must have done something to do that |
| 13:00.49 | abrotman | wtf is m748? |
| 13:00.55 | abrotman | i guess that means i haven't :) |
| 13:00.59 | xam | abrotman: IIRC some ppc board |
| 13:01.01 | _deathz0r_ | im getting this weird error with the davicom network |
| 13:01.05 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 13:01.06 | dpkg | well, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 13:01.13 | _deathz0r_ | abrotman thats the model |
| 13:01.14 | capi | I'm thinking about buying some old computers to set up a local network for me to play on. Anyone have ideas on what to look for in an older computer, and where you would look? |
| 13:01.20 | robert | liable: Then I'm probably very much brain damaged. |
| 13:01.37 | robert | capi: Schools/workplaces |
| 13:01.43 | phanter | Hello I just installed a server, but it is not able to acces my reiserfs disk. How can I install those drivers? |
| 13:01.49 | robert | capi: Friends, if you have those. |
| 13:01.55 | xam | _deathz0r_: Isn't this a powerpc board? |
| 13:02.02 | benjamindees | abrotman, I suppose my concern then isn't so much the frequency of releases, it's having a viable release at all times |
| 13:02.09 | _deathz0r_ | no |
| 13:02.22 | liable | robert: maybe, but your computer wont change locales without you 1) telling it too 2) agreeing too, I would have thought |
| 13:02.22 | capi | what would you look for to make sure they aren't going to fall apart in five mintues? |
| 13:02.42 | benjamindees | abrotman, and I was (until now) under the impression that Woody was not viable for desktop use (for security reasons) |
| 13:02.55 | abrotman | benjamindees: i have woody boxes at work .. but the machines that it runs on are also old .. so maybe with newer hardware .. you wouldn't run woody .. but that's a decision to make for yourself |
| 13:02.56 | _deathz0r_ | its a sucky "pcchips" all On-board socket 370 board |
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| 13:03.19 | abrotman | benjamindees: woody is stable .. and has security updates .. sarge/sid have no security updates |
| 13:03.20 | jethro | benjamindees: well the point in using woody is about security updates actaully |
| 13:03.23 | xam | abrotman,_deathz0r_: ohh, sorry, seems it is a AthlonXP board |
| 13:03.28 | robert | liable: That's common sense, yes, but stranger things happend before... |
| 13:03.30 | Gnurdux | buys i have a prob |
| 13:03.35 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:03.47 | Gnurdux | whenever i leave the screen off overnight it blanks |
| 13:03.56 | liable | robert: sid maybe? |
| 13:03.56 | valdyn | !dpms |
| 13:03.56 | dpkg | i heard dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option"DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 13:04.01 | _deathz0r_ | capi mobos and cards dont wear off get something old and replace the hdd |
| 13:04.02 | Gnurdux | the Xserver seems to be dead and leaves me in console 7 |
| 13:04.12 | Gnurdux | i can control-alt-f1 and bilnd type: |
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| 13:04.17 | Gnurdux | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 13:04.34 | valdyn | Gnurdux: try disabling dpms |
| 13:04.34 | robert | liable: Well, it DID appear after a dist-upgrade of the unstable tree... |
| 13:04.39 | capi | so you think just check the motherboard to make sure it will upgrade, will be good enough? |
| 13:04.39 | Gnurdux | or i can ctrl-alt-delete |
| 13:04.53 | liable | robert: bts then maybe |
| 13:04.59 | Gnurdux | if i restart gdm |
| 13:05.09 | Gnurdux | the screen fa;shes liek X is starting |
| 13:05.10 | benjamindees | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/04/msg00024.html |
| 13:05.14 | Gnurdux | i even get an X for a second |
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| 13:05.18 | Gnurdux | then it seems to try again |
| 13:05.21 | Gnurdux | and then it dies |
| 13:05.28 | Gnurdux | i can ssh in |
| 13:05.39 | valdyn | !tell Gnurdux about enter |
| 13:05.41 | _deathz0r_ | xam AthlonXP? wtf thas pentium II/III/celeron |
| 13:05.43 | Gnurdux | my XFree86.0.log.old says the following towards the end: |
| 13:06.03 | Gnurdux | ah sorry, a bad habit of mine |
| 13:06.05 | xam | _deathz0r_: sorry, the web provides conflicting information |
| 13:06.18 | Gnurdux | Error in I830WaitLpRing(), now is 8975, start is 6974 |
| 13:06.22 | Putiikki | how to enable framebuffer mode in terminals? |
| 13:06.44 | Gnurdux | then baout maybe 10 lines down... Fatal server error: |
| 13:06.45 | Gnurdux | lockup |
| 13:06.57 | Gnurdux | what does dpms do? |
| 13:07.05 | Gnurdux | ah i see |
| 13:07.13 | bluefox83 | Gnurdux, kinda like a screensaver, turns your screen off |
| 13:07.19 | _deathz0r_ | capi look for well known brands though |
| 13:07.20 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 13:07.23 | m4lu6 | Putiikki, fbset rings a bell |
| 13:07.30 | Gnurdux | this only seems to happen when i leave the monitor off tho |
| 13:07.48 | Gnurdux | when i leave the monitor off for an extended period of time this happens |
| 13:07.51 | bluefox83 | Gnurdux, you say you can get back into terminal? |
| 13:07.54 | phanter | how can i get support for reiserfs in my debian system? |
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| 13:08.03 | Putiikki | m4lu6: it gives: open /dev/fb0: No such device |
| 13:08.08 | Gnurdux | bluefox83: i cannot |
| 13:08.12 | valdyn | phanter: uname -r |
| 13:08.17 | Gnurdux | the terminal doesnt show up on screen |
| 13:08.27 | m4lu6 | Putiikki, no fb support in kernel, apparently |
| 13:08.27 | Gnurdux | but it does respond to keyboard |
| 13:08.28 | _deathz0r_ | any one has installed a davicom 9102F nic on woody? |
| 13:08.35 | bluefox83 | Gnurdux, sounds a whole lot like your monitor is about to bite th edust |
| 13:08.39 | Gnurdux | so i can ctrl-alt-f1 root, *****, etc |
| 13:08.41 | capi | _deathz0r_:Do you think it would be a better idea to buy some old pieces of a computer and add the rest, or buy the whole thing and upgrade? |
| 13:08.44 | phanter | valdyn: 2.6.8-2-368 |
| 13:08.45 | Gnurdux | bluefox83, no it isnt |
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| 13:08.48 | Gnurdux | its new..... |
| 13:08.56 | valdyn | phanter: you have reiserfs support already |
| 13:08.59 | Gnurdux | and googling said its a kernel bug |
| 13:09.04 | _deathz0r_ | the mobo has it On-board and it acting weird |
| 13:09.06 | bluefox83 | Gnurdux, there is such a thing as faulty merchandise.. |
| 13:09.19 | FieldySnuts | @lart |
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| 13:09.26 | Gnurdux | no i think it is a kernel bug |
| 13:09.36 | schneiderj | hello ! |
| 13:09.44 | bluefox83 | Gnurdux, exchange the monitor for a new one, if nothing else you rule out the monitor |
| 13:09.45 | Gnurdux | i wanna know if its been fixed inm 2.6.10 from 2.6.8 and if theres a patch |
| 13:09.50 | js | how do i enable php4 in apache2 with the deb packages? |
| 13:09.56 | Gnurdux | bluefox83, that would be a pain in the ass |
| 13:10.01 | Putiikki | m4lu6: i have "normal" 2.6.8-2-686 kernel whitch i get with apt. Do you know does it have support? |
| 13:10.19 | _deathz0r_ | capi what ever floats your boat. i mean if you feel confident with hardware and such pick your hardware separately |
| 13:10.28 | bluefox83 | Gnurdux, yes they have patches, and you can even get 2.6.11 :) |
| 13:10.34 | Gnurdux | i mean for that problem |
| 13:10.35 | _deathz0r_ | like getting a intel based chipset |
| 13:10.41 | _deathz0r_ | and a realtek nic |
| 13:10.51 | m4lu6 | Putiikki, yeah, you should have the modules compiled. |
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| 13:10.54 | phanter | oke thanks. I typed reiser instead of reiserfs in the fstab... sorry for bothering you :-) |
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| 13:11.00 | Putiikki | m4lu6: ok, thanks |
| 13:11.01 | _deathz0r_ | though compatibility its not a problem nowadays |
| 13:11.11 | Gnurdux | a redhat site foudn through google: |
| 13:11.12 | Gnurdux | After upgrading vom 8.0 to 9, gdm/Xserver crashes quite often when |
| 13:11.12 | Gnurdux | idle -- no crash yet when working on the workstation locally. |
| 13:11.30 | m4lu6 | Putiikki, i haven't toyed with fb & console since ... 2000, or thereabouts, you might wanna google. |
| 13:11.31 | Gnurdux | the xfree86 log looks very similar to mine |
| 13:11.35 | schneiderj | I have a problem with my fresh debian install : my wireless card is not found and I can't accede to the netware |
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| 13:11.39 | bluefox83 | Gnurdux, redhat sucketh, speak not it's name.. |
| 13:11.40 | _deathz0r_ | one tend to have less problems with popular ones |
| 13:11.44 | Putiikki | m4lu6: i'll try |
| 13:11.51 | schneiderj | it is a netgear WG311v2 |
| 13:12.03 | schneiderj | can you help me ? |
| 13:12.26 | bluefox83 | i dunno anything about wifi cards :/ |
| 13:12.27 | benjamindees | Gnurdux, that's related to the screensaver |
| 13:12.27 | Gnurdux | You're using what appears to be a custom kernel and custom |
| 13:12.27 | Gnurdux | built XFree86. If my assumption is correct, there's no proof this problem |
| 13:12.27 | Gnurdux | is fixed yet in Red Hat officially released binary RPM packages. |
| 13:12.28 | Gnurdux | This is a kernel bug IMHO, and requires kernel fixes. If the newest |
| 13:12.28 | Gnurdux | kernel does in fact fix this problem, I wasn't aware. I'm reassigning |
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| 13:12.36 | m4lu6 | niten ite, gnurdux |
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| 13:12.44 | Gnurdux | sorry |
| 13:12.49 | m4lu6 | DuMas |
| 13:12.50 | Gnurdux | i was copying from site |
| 13:12.57 | liable | schneiderj: maybe lspci, find the chipset and go from there |
| 13:12.59 | benjamindees | Gnurdux, don't paste |
| 13:13.12 | Gnurdux | benjamindees: what is screensaver realted? |
| 13:13.19 | schneiderj | what did you mean with lspci ? |
| 13:13.21 | benjamindees | Gnurdux, that problem is due to GL screensavers; disabling the screensaver fixed it for me |
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| 13:13.39 | Gnurdux | and did it only happen when your monitor was off? |
| 13:13.45 | bluefox83 | i never use a screensaver, i just have it turn my monitor off after 10 minutes of not being used |
| 13:13.56 | benjamindees | Gnurdux, I don't know about that |
| 13:13.59 | liable | schneiderj: type 'lspci' look for a wireless entry and then google |
| 13:14.22 | Gnurdux | benjamindees, do you have Intel integrated graphics? |
| 13:14.34 | benjamindees | Gnurdux, yes, i845 I think |
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| 13:14.51 | Gnurdux | benjamindees, thnx ill try that :) |
| 13:14.53 | bluefox83 | Gnurdux, just upgrade your kernel, shouldn't take but a minute or two if you get all the parts off of apt |
| 13:14.57 | schneiderj | OK I ma going back to debian and do it ! thanks |
| 13:15.05 | bluefox83 | and turn off screensaver! |
| 13:15.08 | Gnurdux | no i have the latest one in my apt repo |
| 13:15.14 | Gnurdux | and besides i build form source |
| 13:15.19 | bluefox83 | oh |
| 13:15.29 | bluefox83 | i don't do that, i suck at it too much |
| 13:15.29 | Gnurdux | 2.6.8 |
| 13:15.34 | Gnurdux | i dont wanna do unstable |
| 13:15.42 | bluefox83 | 2.6.8 != latest |
| 13:15.50 | Gnurdux | in deb tetsing yeah |
| 13:16.04 | bluefox83 | Gnurdux, if you're using a custom then go to kernels.org and get something newer! |
| 13:16.23 | Gnurdux | no i build with debian soruce packages |
| 13:16.24 | bluefox83 | paulswm, wierd O.o |
| 13:16.34 | Gnurdux | like this: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 13:16.41 | bluefox83 | i know >.> |
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| 13:16.59 | bluefox83 | afk |
| 13:17.12 | paulswm | bluefox83: YEs, I build my own, so I used the same config :( |
| 13:17.12 | omerANT | where is xorg.conf |
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| 13:17.44 | HSorgYves | i (re)installed debian from a rescue system using debootstrap, however i can't boot the system, any idea what to check? |
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| 13:17.59 | Gnurdux | ok i have a second, more minor problem |
| 13:18.14 | Gnurdux | in my inittab, i have a respawn entry that su's to another user |
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| 13:18.27 | bluefox83 | paulswm, HSorgYves is your bootloader working? |
| 13:18.36 | Manny | re |
| 13:18.46 | Gnurdux | but since hte su is quitting even tho the program it tsarts isnt, it respawns iunfinitely fast, then turns off respawn |
| 13:18.47 | _deathz0r_ | HSorgYves lilo? |
| 13:18.49 | liable | paulswm: you dont use kde do you? |
| 13:19.04 | paulswm | liable: Hell no :P |
| 13:19.06 | HSorgYves | yes lilo, suppose it is working |
| 13:19.39 | bluefox83 | HSorgYves, you suppose? if it's not working correctly you can't boot >.> |
| 13:19.48 | _deathz0r_ | hah |
| 13:19.53 | HSorgYves | bluedwarf - i know, what to check then? |
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| 13:20.09 | bluefox83 | i am not a freakin dwarf >.> |
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| 13:20.12 | mwilson | HSorgYves: No one gets to know any details, huh? |
| 13:20.40 | paulswm | bluefox83: Incidentally, I'm running an XP 200+ constantly at 100% and my average temp is about 36C, or 12 deg above ambient room, using a Thermaltake Pipe101 with the terrifying Vantec Tornado 92mm :) |
| 13:20.42 | HSorgYves | mwilson - well, what do you need to know? |
| 13:20.45 | resiak | bluedwarf: Surely "bluemidget" would be more correct? |
| 13:20.47 | paulswm | 2000+ |
| 13:20.57 | _deathz0r_ | may be you were trying to do dual OS win/nix and "accidentally" installed windows after linux then got the mbr changed by windows installer? |
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| 13:21.12 | bluefox83 | resiak, i'm 6'4"... |
| 13:21.26 | resiak | bluefox83: Sure, I'm not talking to you. |
| 13:21.30 | bluefox83 | who the heck is bluedwarf? >.> |
| 13:21.48 | hrishikesh | hi, could somebody tell me what are the minimum cd images required for a programming system |
| 13:21.53 | resiak | bluefox83: I'm talking to bluedwarf, whose name might be connected to Red Dwarf, the comedy, and if it is is, he should be called bluemidget. |
| 13:21.53 | paulswm | Possibly a small wode painted Celt |
| 13:21.55 | hrishikesh | i saw some 5 cd images |
| 13:22.13 | HSorgYves | _deathz0r_ - no, debian only system, installed MBR and boot loader into the active partition, run lilo -v, everything looks fine |
| 13:22.17 | ildegar | hrishikesh, first one |
| 13:22.20 | bluefox83 | oh, fancy that...someone with that nick right above mine >.> |
| 13:22.22 | liable | hrishikesh: what is a programing system |
| 13:22.29 | hrishikesh | i mean GCC and perl |
| 13:22.39 | asg | paulswm: William Wallace vs the Roaming Gnome (celebrity death match) |
| 13:22.49 | paulswm | HAH |
| 13:23.19 | bluefox83 | asg, tough one to call there, the gnome might win completely by accident.. |
| 13:23.26 | paulswm | I like those Travelocity Roaming Gnome ads |
| 13:23.35 | asg | abrotman: haven't seen an op so far |
| 13:23.37 | _deathz0r_ | HSorgYves i see, now what error do you get? |
| 13:23.44 | asg | bluefox83: indeed |
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| 13:23.56 | _deathz0r_ | like it doesnt boot at all? |
| 13:24.01 | hrishikesh | http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian-cd/images/3.0_r3/i386/debian-30r3-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso |
| 13:24.05 | hrishikesh | will this do |
| 13:24.06 | HSorgYves | _deathz0r_ - i don't see the screen :-( |
| 13:24.27 | asg | hrishikesh: you are probably better off with sarge (/msg dpkg d-i) |
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| 13:24.32 | _deathz0r_ | after a kernel remake? |
| 13:24.36 | ildegar | hrishikesh, yes, and if you have an internet connection, which you seem to have, you can dl the stuff you need |
| 13:24.37 | bluefox83 | HSorgYves's system freaks out and yells "danger will robinson! danger!" |
| 13:24.50 | resiak | HSorgYves: Main screen turn on. |
| 13:24.51 | bluefox83 | :p |
| 13:24.57 | paulswm | Heh |
| 13:24.57 | HSorgYves | bluefox83 - :-( |
| 13:25.02 | _deathz0r_ | Heh |
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| 13:25.23 | HSorgYves | resiak - ;-) the server is 300km away |
| 13:25.33 | hrishikesh | yes, it's somewhat slow, so i thought to first install the base system and then apt-get the required from time time |
| 13:25.47 | hrishikesh | i actually need to build a LVS server |
| 13:26.07 | bluefox83 | ok, i'm taking a nap, 5 hrs of sleep is getting to me >.> |
| 13:27.11 | liable | hrishikesh: as long as you have an internet connection, you can do what ever you want, allbeit slowly maybe |
| 13:27.33 | liable | is allbeit a word? |
| 13:27.34 | _deathz0r_ | liable thats the ed2k way =) |
| 13:27.48 | hrishikesh | ed2k means |
| 13:28.06 | ildegar | hrishikesh, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd |
| 13:28.07 | _deathz0r_ | the p2p network? |
| 13:28.10 | liable | _deathz0r_: / |
| 13:28.23 | _deathz0r_ | liable i agree.. bad joke :P |
| 13:28.24 | liable | _deathz0r_: ?? |
| 13:29.07 | phanter | I am behind a router and I want to use static ip. then I need the address, netmask and ??? |
| 13:29.15 | hrishikesh | good source |
| 13:29.30 | _deathz0r_ | argh |
| 13:29.32 | liable | !dict allbeit |
| 13:29.34 | dpkg | could not find definition for allbeit |
| 13:29.40 | liable | bah |
| 13:29.45 | _deathz0r_ | why cant i get the nic to work at 10mbps |
| 13:29.52 | liable | guess its not |
| 13:29.55 | benjamindees | albeit |
| 13:29.56 | HSorgYves | aaaaargh, i found the error ;-))))) |
| 13:30.05 | _deathz0r_ | ifconfig eth0 media 10BaseT |
| 13:30.13 | liable | !dict albeit |
| 13:30.15 | dpkg | Dictionary 'albeit' Albeit \Al`be"it\, conj. [OE. al be although it be, where al is our all. Cf. Although.] Even though; although; notwithstanding. --Chaucer. |
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| 13:30.32 | HSorgYves | thx everyone for helping |
| 13:30.45 | _deathz0r_ | it was lilo isnt it? |
| 13:31.08 | HSorgYves | _deathz0r_ - no, typo in /etc/fstab :-( |
| 13:31.30 | _deathz0r_ | shit happends :P |
| 13:31.57 | Chris`` | hey can anyone help ?¿ why i do vncserver .. i get this among 3 other lines ... xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "box:1" in "add" command |
| 13:32.04 | HSorgYves | _deathz0r_ - yes, have been searching for 2 hours |
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| 13:33.01 | Anders1 | !dict albeit |
| 13:33.03 | dpkg | Dictionary 'albeit' Albeit \Al`be"it\, conj. [OE. al be although it be, where al is our all. Cf. Although.] Even though; although; notwithstanding. --Chaucer. |
| 13:33.06 | Anders1 | @ liable |
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| 13:33.14 | Anders1 | oh |
| 13:33.20 | Anders1 | sorry, i didnt see you already used it |
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| 13:33.24 | liable | _deathz0r_: wtf is the ed2k way anyway? |
| 13:33.32 | FieldySnuts | @lart Anders1 |
| 13:33.35 | Anders1 | :( |
| 13:33.54 | _deathz0r_ | emule's edonkey's network |
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| 13:34.05 | Eclipser | does wine support printing? |
| 13:34.16 | FieldySnuts | might want to ask #wine or wherever their irc chan is |
| 13:34.21 | Eclipser | :) |
| 13:34.25 | benjamindees | Eclipser, absolutely |
| 13:34.38 | _deathz0r_ | that shit its slow as hell if you have slow conex and only leech |
| 13:34.38 | Eclipser | benjamindees, for sure? good |
| 13:34.39 | Chris`` | hey can anyone help ?¿ when i do "vncserver" .. i get this among 3 other lines ... "xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "box:1" in "add" command" |
| 13:34.42 | Ancillius | kann man via lpr auch nen Medientyp (papier/folie/photopapier) angeben? |
| 13:34.45 | Gnurdux | in my inittab, i have a respawn entry that su's to another user |
| 13:34.45 | liable | ravenbird: do that to me as well, but wash it down with beer :) |
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| 13:34.56 | Eclipser | then I install debian on my dad's computer |
| 13:35.00 | Gnurdux | but since the su is quitting even tho the program it starts isnt, it respawns infinitely fast, then turns off respawn |
| 13:35.00 | Eclipser | +can |
| 13:35.07 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 13:35.27 | Ancillius | oh sorry, should be in english ... my mistake, is it possible to specify the media type (slide/photo/etc) via lpr? |
| 13:35.34 | benjamindees | Eclipser, wine itself is very hard to get running though; you might try Crossover Office |
| 13:36.27 | Mash_ | hello |
| 13:36.34 | Eclipser | benjamindees, it's not office thingie, the program I want to run runs just fine but I can't try printing because I don't have a printer |
| 13:36.39 | mwilson | Ancillius: Depends on the printing system you're using. |
| 13:36.54 | Eclipser | benjamindees, it's my dads bank software which I want to be able to run on linux :) |
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| 13:38.55 | abrotman | asg: i know .. but !punish abrotman |
| 13:39.03 | gds_ | hi everybody |
| 13:39.08 | websdale | Eclipser: have you asked the bank if they have a *nix client available? |
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| 13:39.26 | Eclipser | websdale, yes, they said to use the web interface but my dad doesn't like it |
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| 13:39.30 | mr^cyder | back |
| 13:39.59 | Mr^Cyder | _deathz0r_: i have managed to install debian with kernel 2.4;) |
| 13:40.02 | laserite | hi! do u know how to configure the keyboard for spanish but the system for english in debian? |
| 13:40.04 | gds_ | How can I use plist xml file with linux? |
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| 13:40.09 | taddeus | hi |
| 13:40.14 | TheTransporter | can somebody help me remove KDE from Debian 3.0? i've tried in a couple other linux channels and they directed me to this one |
| 13:40.23 | valdyn | !remove kde |
| 13:40.24 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 13:40.25 | _deathz0r_ | Mr^Cyder no PnP error?. good |
| 13:40.28 | liable | beer even |
| 13:40.29 | Mr^Cyder | nop |
| 13:40.29 | benjamindees | laserite, try 'loadkeys es' |
| 13:40.29 | Mr^Cyder | :) |
| 13:40.41 | laserite | benjamindees, and for X? |
| 13:40.47 | Mr^Cyder | now being a slackware fan.. i'm a little bit .. confused |
| 13:40.47 | laserite | and to make it permanent? |
| 13:40.48 | Mr^Cyder | :D |
| 13:40.50 | _deathz0r_ | good for you my old linux box its isolated |
| 13:40.52 | taddeus | is there a command to get information about parallel port ? |
| 13:41.03 | asg | !punish abrotman |
| 13:41.03 | benjamindees | laserite, no idea, sorry |
| 13:41.04 | _deathz0r_ | fucken davicom 9102 doesnt obey |
| 13:41.12 | laserite | benjamindees, ok thnx |
| 13:41.19 | Ancillius | mwilson: so afaik (its not my system, i am no root) its magicfilter. |
| 13:41.22 | websdale | Eclipser: one solution might be to use something like "win4lin" cos I think wine could be a struggle (or tell yor dad to lump it:)) |
| 13:41.36 | liable | dpkg that was abit harsh eh? |
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| 13:41.47 | sunevil | hello |
| 13:41.48 | Mr^Cyder | grrr |
| 13:41.50 | Mr^Cyder | no sshd :) |
| 13:41.56 | Mr^Cyder | aptitude is a little weird.. |
| 13:41.59 | Gnurdux | can he google? |
| 13:42.02 | sunevil | im trying to compile kernel with make-kpkg |
| 13:42.02 | Gnurdux | !google whatever |
| 13:42.09 | Eclipser | websdale, we'll see about that later then, after I've ported the applications I've made, to help my dad, for linux |
| 13:42.09 | dpkg | Google says whatever is at http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/ or http://www.whatever.com/ or http://www.lunarpages.com/ or http://www.whatever-whenever.net/ or http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/csshover.html |
| 13:42.10 | m4lu5 | well. whomever was asking about fb earlier, i curse you :) |
| 13:42.10 | sunevil | but i have ine error |
| 13:42.13 | sunevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.13 | sunevil | cp arch/i386 /boot/bzImage debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-sunevil |
| 13:42.13 | sunevil | cp: «debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-sunevil»: el directorio objetivo especificado no existe |
| 13:42.13 | sunevil | Pruebe `cp --help' para más información. |
| 13:42.13 | sunevil | make[1]: *** [real_stamp_image] Error 1 |
| 13:42.14 | sunevil | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10' |
| 13:42.14 | *** kick/#debian [sunevil!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
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| 13:42.27 | asg | abrotman: looks okay to me |
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| 13:42.32 | sunevil | :) |
| 13:42.36 | sunevil | can iu help me? |
| 13:42.39 | liable | !tell sunevil about enter |
| 13:42.47 | Gnurdux | never gotten that error |
| 13:42.54 | asg | !tell sunevil about es |
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| 13:42.58 | sunevil | !tell |
| 13:42.59 | SAM_theoldman | Hallo? |
| 13:43.31 | Gnurdux | yeh? |
| 13:43.36 | SAM_theoldman | My friend has a little problem |
| 13:43.36 | Eclipser | !tell sunevil about ask |
| 13:43.44 | Eclipser | whops |
| 13:43.47 | Eclipser | erf |
| 13:44.00 | Eclipser | sunevil, I'm sorry, I didn't notice you got kicked :) |
| 13:44.11 | SAM_theoldman | his tv-out is ghey |
| 13:44.30 | benjamindees | !tell everyone about telling about ask |
| 13:44.44 | streuner_ | !tell SAM_theoldman about gay |
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| 13:45.04 | SAM_theoldman | no no not that |
| 13:45.08 | sunevil | well...can iu help me? |
| 13:45.13 | SAM_theoldman | its another word 4 choppy |
| 13:45.18 | foureyes779 | damn, cant even join #debian this morn |
| 13:45.25 | Gnurdux | why not? |
| 13:45.27 | Gnurdux | hey foureyes779 |
| 13:45.30 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 13:45.51 | Mr^Cyder | !aptitude |
| 13:45.52 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 13:45.52 | foureyes779 | tried to join and it kept kicking me out saying "#debian is full of Gnurdux" |
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| 13:46.00 | Gnurdux | hahha |
| 13:46.03 | Gnurdux | yeah right ;) |
| 13:46.08 | streuner_ | SAM_theoldman: tell your friend he should come on debian with his problem in this channel |
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| 13:46.17 | SAM_theoldman | ok |
| 13:46.29 | abrotman | !punish asg |
| 13:46.33 | abrotman | grr |
| 13:46.40 | foureyes779 | ouch |
| 13:46.41 | abrotman | asg: it did it earlier!!! |
| 13:46.58 | liable | abrotman: that really isnt very nice |
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| 13:47.04 | abrotman | and? |
| 13:47.06 | Meidos- | What do I need to do to create a masquerade rule in iptables? On my 2nd box I can ping this. Iptables is ACCEPT on all, and the rule POSTROUTING -o eth2 -j MASQUERADE, still nothings hapening. |
| 13:47.09 | abrotman | !eat liable |
| 13:47.19 | foureyes779 | hah |
| 13:47.20 | SAM_theoldman | HES HERE GUYS |
| 13:47.21 | SAM_theoldman | HES HERE GUYS |
| 13:47.27 | paulswm | !prize abrotman |
| 13:47.30 | liable | !spit liable out again |
| 13:47.40 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 13:47.47 | abrotman | !love paulswm |
| 13:47.52 | cavediver | SAM_theoldman: your nick is pretty funny for being a young guy :=) |
| 13:47.56 | liable | eeewww |
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| 13:48.19 | Gnurdux | wtf? |
| 13:48.24 | Gnurdux | 825? |
| 13:48.24 | liable | hehe |
| 13:48.26 | streuner_ | dpkg, gender? |
| 13:48.26 | dpkg | I'm female |
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| 13:48.31 | paulswm | YAY |
| 13:48.33 | SAM_theoldman | yup |
| 13:48.38 | liable | dpkg you lie |
| 13:48.39 | streuner_ | paulswm: here we go ;-) |
| 13:48.51 | paulswm | streuner_: hee hee |
| 13:48.54 | Gnurdux | everyone knows package managers are female |
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| 13:49.20 | asg | abrotman: someone fooling around maybe or badgers. |
| 13:49.21 | Gnurdux | !help |
| 13:49.27 | asg | abrotman: what was the name of the offending bot? |
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| 13:49.51 | liable | !badger asg |
| 13:49.52 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 13:49.59 | paulswm | !botabuse |
| 13:49.59 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 13:50.17 | abrotman | asg: LoonaTick|afk |
| 13:50.20 | liable | hmm sorry dpkg |
| 13:50.28 | abrotman | !punish jethro's fragile fingers |
| 13:50.33 | asg | abrotman: ah, he's been told about that before (as well as running dumb away scripts) |
| 13:50.36 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. seems to be off now |
| 13:50.43 | paulswm | He has balls on his fingers? |
| 13:50.47 | abrotman | jethro: sorry |
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| 13:50.59 | abrotman | paulswm: he's not the only one |
| 13:51.05 | aardvark | badgers? |
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| 13:51.40 | abrotman | aardvark: down boy |
| 13:51.54 | aardvark | meh |
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| 13:51.57 | cavediver | Anyone's great with nvidia tv-out stuff? |
| 13:52.17 | paulswm | Some idiot here has just been arrested for trapping raccoons and barbecueing them |
| 13:52.24 | abrotman | Piggy: not now .. but some other time .. i'd like to find out why nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 13:52.25 | foureyes779 | nice |
| 13:52.43 | foureyes779 | i have an uncle like that...will eat just abt ANYTHING |
| 13:53.01 | paulswm | I think he was doing it to keep occupied while gentoo was compiling |
| 13:54.07 | stew | to where? |
| 13:54.23 | _deathz0r_ | canada? |
| 13:54.25 | stew | speaking of penguins... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050401/photos_od_afp/050401074013_uzc80qh8_photo0&e=4&ncid=1680 |
| 13:54.27 | paulswm | 100 miles north of Philly |
| 13:54.42 | abrotman | stew: danville! |
| 13:54.45 | stew | trexlertown for the big swap meet? |
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| 13:54.53 | stew | i wish i was going there |
| 13:54.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:55.12 | paulswm | I got pelnty of swap already |
| 13:55.15 | paulswm | plenty |
| 13:56.13 | paulswm | stew: That is a *very* funny picture |
| 13:56.25 | stew | yeah |
| 13:56.53 | paulswm | One wonders if the next shot was of the Emperors beating the crap out of him |
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| 13:57.18 | stew | heh |
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| 13:59.04 | Chris`` | can anyone help plz ... wjhat would i need to do so i could WRITE to my samba shares on my box from my pc ... i am just gettin access denied |
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| 13:59.45 | Shay | maybe you would need to read the documentation |
| 14:00.02 | Chris`` | Shay- maybe i have |
| 14:00.17 | m4lu6 | maybe he thinks you haven't |
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| 14:00.33 | m4lu6 | maybe he's wrong, and should be punished. |
| 14:00.42 | Shay | maybe m4lu5's right |
| 14:00.42 | Chris`` | yes you're right |
| 14:00.51 | Shay | :-) |
| 14:00.55 | Wyzard | Chris``: What options are you using for the share in your smb.conf ? |
| 14:01.22 | racarter | is there a tool to switch desktop managers? |
| 14:01.25 | Chris`` | i aint got nothin bout the share in the config |
| 14:01.44 | racarter | also, how do I change themes in gnome? |
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| 14:02.18 | Wyzard | Chris``: You need to clarify your question... do you have a share on the Debian system that you're trying to access from XP, or a share on the XP system that you're trying to access from Debian? |
| 14:02.20 | maestro[] | racarter: run gnome-theme-manager or click on themes somewhere |
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| 14:02.39 | Wyzard | racarter: Applications -> Desktop Preferences -> Theme |
| 14:02.54 | m4lu6 | isn't this a better question for #samba? |
| 14:03.16 | m4lu6 | hmm. caffeine failing. grammar falling apart. bad. more coffee |
| 14:03.35 | m4lu6 | Aren't these samba questions better suited for #samba? <WHEW> that's better. |
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| 14:03.52 | Chris`` | A share on my Debian system that i want to access from xp ... i have added the share as a network connection and mapped it ... and i am tryin to save a jpg to it but it is giving me access-denied |
| 14:04.18 | _deathz0r_ | use guest only |
| 14:04.30 | skip_ | help please...considering Debian does not have /etc/profile.d, what's the best way to set JAVA_HOME without having to do it automatically from a console everytime I open a console? |
| 14:04.33 | _deathz0r_ | and define writeable on the smb.conf |
| 14:04.34 | holo | names |
| 14:04.35 | Wyzard | Chris``: OK, so you have the share in your smb.conf, but no options specified for it? |
| 14:04.39 | holo | sorry |
| 14:04.43 | skip_ | sorry, I mean manually... |
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| 14:04.49 | _deathz0r_ | or using swat if you managed to get it running |
| 14:05.20 | Terra-Niux | what combination of commands can I use to list out in long format all the files in directory /usr/bin but cut out the columns size, date, time and filename. I also need to sort them according to filesize then put the output in a file |
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| 14:05.31 | Gnurdux | !help |
| 14:05.41 | Mr^Cyder | where do i find Midnight Commander ? |
| 14:05.46 | Gnurdux | where can i find supertux? |
| 14:05.51 | m4lu6 | again, whomever i was speaking to earlier about framebuffers... why oh why did i answer your question? |
| 14:05.56 | Mr^Cyder | !midnight commander |
| 14:05.58 | Chris`` | no i dont have the share specified in the config .. i just added the address \\192.168.14\chris\ in the add network connection wizard on XP ... and entered my username + password |
| 14:06.05 | Gnurdux | dpkg: supertux is at supertux.sourceforge.net |
| 14:06.05 | dpkg | ...but supertux is already something else... |
| 14:06.05 | stew | skip_: you should have installed java using instructions in /msg dpkg java. there is /etc/profile. the best thing to do is write a wrapper script for whatever java program you are trying to run that sets java-home and then runs the program |
| 14:06.15 | m4lu6 | now i'm going from box to box setting up video=vesa vga=0x31A. THANKS. |
| 14:06.24 | Gnurdux | dpkg: supertux is at http://supertux.sourceforge.net |
| 14:06.24 | dpkg | ...but supertux is already something else... |
| 14:06.37 | Gnurdux | !tell me abotu supertux |
| 14:06.45 | Gnurdux | !tell me about supertux |
| 14:06.47 | Chris`` | i can read files from my /home/chris/ folder from my xp system but i cant write to it |
| 14:07.07 | Wyzard | Chris``: If the share wasn't in the config at all, then it wouldn't be shared. If you're talking about your home directory, that's the [homes] share |
| 14:07.19 | skip_ | stew: so if I want to run a java app from the console (for java apps that I write), do I need a wrapper for each one? |
| 14:07.33 | stew | skip_: you can use /etc/profile or your .bashrc |
| 14:07.36 | Chris`` | yeh i probles am . i am not sure :| |
| 14:08.01 | skip_ | stew: ok, thanks. |
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| 14:08.13 | stew | !supertux is also http://supertux.sourceforge.net |
| 14:08.13 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 14:08.22 | Wyzard | Chris``: OK, so open up the manpage for smb.conf, which you claim you've read already, and look up the "read only" option |
| 14:08.34 | Wyzard | Chris``: Notice that it's ON by default |
| 14:08.53 | _deathz0r_ | Wyzard sup |
| 14:08.57 | Terra-Niux | how can I cut out columns using sort from ls output? |
| 14:09.03 | _deathz0r_ | Chris`` did you manage to run swat? |
| 14:09.13 | stew | Gnurdux: supertux is apt-gettable it appears |
| 14:09.19 | Gnurdux | yup |
| 14:09.21 | Gnurdux | it is |
| 14:09.26 | Gnurdux | i have apt-getted it |
| 14:09.38 | ircdevil | Terra-Niux: man cut |
| 14:09.39 | stew | then why are you asking where you can find it? |
| 14:09.43 | Chris`` | no death :( |
| 14:09.48 | Gnurdux | i was tellign dpkg |
| 14:09.50 | Gnurdux | or tryign to |
| 14:09.55 | Terra-Niux | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.02 | Gnurdux | about the project page |
| 14:10.16 | ircdevil | Terra-Niux: pipe to cut |
| 14:10.24 | phanter | I reinstalled my server, but now I get a "RSA host key for 80.57.159.205 has changed and you have requested strict checking. |
| 14:10.25 | phanter | Host key verification failed." error. What can I do about this? |
| 14:10.29 | Eclipser | does anyone know if wvdial is going to be on sarge before it hits stable? |
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| 14:10.34 | Chris`` | sorted it ... i just made the [homes] thing in the config writable ... thanks .... |
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| 14:10.50 | Terra-Niux | but how can I say, cut out the filenames column? |
| 14:10.51 | DrNick | is there any sftp client out there that supports resuming a download? |
| 14:10.53 | elephant | Hi all |
| 14:11.03 | stew | !why is wvdial not in testing |
| 14:11.03 | dpkg | wvdial is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=wvdial |
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| 14:11.18 | Wyzard | Phated: I assume you're talking about SSH... but you should specify that sort of thing rather than leaving people to guess |
| 14:11.18 | liable | stew: um it is |
| 14:11.24 | stew | Eclipser: look at the bugs there and see what the maintainer is saying ^^^ |
| 14:11.26 | stew | liable: its not |
| 14:11.28 | trygvebw | hi, what's the XF86 devel pack called in sarge? |
| 14:11.34 | phanter | sorry, yes talking about ssh! |
| 14:11.40 | elephant | What basic steps are needed to make a localnet computer accessable from outside (internet) |
| 14:11.46 | stew | liable: http://packages.debian.org/wvdial |
| 14:11.46 | liable | stew: well, i seem to have it |
| 14:11.52 | Wyzard | phanter: Every SSH server has a public/private keypair which uniquely identifies it |
| 14:11.53 | stew | liable: it was removed from testin |
| 14:12.22 | phanter | Wyzard: yes I know. I need to renew the key on my workstation, but how do i do this |
| 14:12.31 | trygvebw | ? |
| 14:12.45 | Wyzard | phanter: OK, so you do understand the implications of having the hostkey changed |
| 14:12.55 | liable | stew: true? |
| 14:13.05 | phanter | Wyzard: hmm I think so, but is there something special ? |
| 14:13.07 | stew | liable: true what? |
| 14:13.10 | Wyzard | phanter: You just need to remove the appropriate line from your ~/.ssh/known-hosts... the error message should give you the line number |
| 14:13.17 | Eclipser | erf |
| 14:13.20 | liable | stew: true its been removed |
| 14:13.21 | websdale | elephant: what do you want to do? |
| 14:13.27 | stew | liable: true. |
| 14:13.44 | Wyzard | phanter: Then, the next time you connect to the server, SSH will ask you if you're sure about the identity of the computer you're connecting to, and if you say yes, it'll cache the new public key |
| 14:13.45 | stew | Eclipser: looks like its waiting on an arm autobuilder, which i think is almost caught up, so it might get in |
| 14:13.55 | elephant | websdale: access a computer on my private net from the internet |
| 14:13.57 | Eclipser | stew, good, thanks |
| 14:14.11 | liable | stew: I have actually been --noupgrading wvdial due to problems with slmodem |
| 14:14.27 | phanter | Wyzard: oke thanks. It worked |
| 14:14.38 | Wyzard | phanter: In the future, you can avoid this problem by backing up the hostkey (it's in /etc/ssh) before reinstalling, and putting it onto the newly-installed system |
| 14:14.45 | _deathz0r_ | Wyzard i got the module working |
| 14:14.50 | Eclipser | I installed wvdial from backport mirror for sarge last night, but I don't generally like backports :) |
| 14:14.52 | _deathz0r_ | the davicom 9102 one |
| 14:14.57 | websdale | elephant:you probably want SSH (Secure SHell) - there are good HOWTOs on the subject |
| 14:15.08 | phanter | thanks |
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| 14:15.24 | jonz | hi there, when booting an install is there any way to remount /hd-media as read-write ? |
| 14:15.24 | Wyzard | _deathz0r_: cool |
| 14:15.25 | _deathz0r_ | so i can still do ifconfig eth0 up /down |
| 14:15.43 | _deathz0r_ | but when i do this ifconfig eth0 media 10BaseT |
| 14:15.46 | Terra-Niux | does anyone know how to use cut? |
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| 14:15.51 | FieldySnuts | man cut |
| 14:16.04 | _deathz0r_ | i get: port: SIOCIFMAP: operation not supported |
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| 14:16.08 | stew | Eclipser: actually its ftfbs on arm so probably it won't happen |
| 14:16.10 | elephant | websdale: ok thanx a lot - The process is assigning a public IP (or domain) to this local computer |
| 14:16.14 | elephant | websdale: ? |
| 14:16.20 | Terra-Niux | I know about man cut, but if it helped me I wouldnt be here |
| 14:16.29 | FieldySnuts | yeah right. |
| 14:16.30 | Wyzard | _deathz0r_: You probably don't need to... the card will automatically detect what speed to use |
| 14:16.33 | Eclipser | stew, ftfbs? |
| 14:16.37 | _deathz0r_ | so ok, lets say its not supported to change the media type/speed. |
| 14:16.40 | liable | stew: hmmm, still shows up in my apt-cache |
| 14:16.41 | stew | !ftbfs |
| 14:16.41 | _deathz0r_ | and yes i need to |
| 14:16.41 | dpkg | somebody said ftbfs was "fails to build from source" |
| 14:16.58 | Eclipser | ah |
| 14:17.02 | stew | liable: then you have sources other than official sarge sources |
| 14:17.02 | Wyzard | _deathz0r_: Install the "mii-diag" package and run "mii-diag eth0" |
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| 14:17.15 | liable | stew: no just debian |
| 14:17.20 | defsy | TerminX: for example echo 'Hi:there:!'|cut -d ':' -f 2 |
| 14:17.26 | _deathz0r_ | cuz when i tested it with nt it didnt worked |
| 14:17.34 | Eclipser | I guess I'll live with the backport for a while then |
| 14:17.36 | websdale | elephant: how do you connect to the internet? |
| 14:17.53 | _deathz0r_ | until i forced it to use 10BaseT half duplex |
| 14:17.58 | elephant | websdale: my localnet is connected to internet via a router |
| 14:18.01 | defsy | Terra-Niux: for example echo 'Hi:there:!'|cut -d ':' -f 2 |
| 14:18.01 | _deathz0r_ | its a 3com 10mbps HUB |
| 14:18.04 | _deathz0r_ | so its old |
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| 14:18.20 | _deathz0r_ | and when its in auto mode the led doesn't even light |
| 14:18.37 | Wyzard | _deathz0r_: Bring the card up with ifconfig, then check with mii-diag and it'll tell you what speed the card is using, and whether it's successfully connected at the network level |
| 14:18.47 | Gnurdux | in my inittab, i have a respawn entry that su's to another user |
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| 14:18.55 | Gnurdux | but since the su is quitting even tho the program it starts isnt, it respawns infinitely fast, then turns off respawn |
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| 14:19.01 | Terra-Niux | I want to output ls output to a file, however I dont have to have the filenames, date and time |
| 14:19.03 | Terra-Niux | I tried |
| 14:19.06 | _deathz0r_ | mii-diag its on the woody first cd? |
| 14:19.07 | Terra-Niux | cut -f2,3 etc |
| 14:19.10 | Terra-Niux | didnt work :( |
| 14:19.33 | Terra-Niux | my problem is trying to find out the field number, man doesnt say it |
| 14:19.33 | Wyzard | _deathz0r_: dunno which CD it's on |
| 14:19.33 | _deathz0r_ | cuz the box its pretty much isolated.. not having network access |
| 14:19.33 | websdale | elephant: has your router got a fixed IP address? |
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| 14:20.04 | jonz | hi there, when booting an install is there any way to remount /hd-media as read-write ? i'm booting off of a usb flash, and obtaining a shell; it's mounted on /hd-media at the moment but read-only |
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| 14:20.28 | defsy | Terra-Niux: what information are you getting with ls if not filenames? |
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| 14:20.43 | jonz | i tried mount -a -t nonfs but no luck, and i can't umount it |
| 14:20.44 | Terra-Niux | I meant filesize sorry |
| 14:20.51 | Wyzard | Jon: mount /hd-media -o remount,rw |
| 14:20.56 | Terra-Niux | I just want the filenames and permissions only |
| 14:20.58 | jonz | hmm lemme try that |
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| 14:21.28 | schneiderj | hi, I have a new installation and I am not able to see file on the usb. Why ? |
| 14:21.33 | Gnurdux | i g2g |
| 14:21.49 | FieldySnuts | @dict g2g |
| 14:21.53 | ravenbird | could not find definition for g2g |
| 14:22.05 | FieldySnuts | damn aol users. |
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| 14:22.56 | Xenguy | $ wtf gtg |
| 14:22.56 | Xenguy | GTG: got to go |
| 14:22.58 | liable | stew: seems you are right, just searched for wvdial in testing and no go.... weird |
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| 14:23.14 | resiak | That killed her. |
| 14:23.36 | Wyzard | _deathz0r_: If the card's driver doesn't support media-type switching (so "ifconfig eth0 media 10baseT" fails) and your hub doesn't support NWAY autonegotiation, I guess you're stuck |
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| 14:23.48 | schneiderj | How can I mount my USB system ? |
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| 14:24.19 | resiak | scytheman: By system you mean drive, I presume? |
| 14:24.28 | schneiderj | Yes |
| 14:24.28 | Wyzard | _deathz0r_: Note that you can get an 8-port 100baseTX switch for $25 or $30 these days |
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| 14:24.54 | resiak | schneiderj: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/mountpointyouhavemade |
| 14:25.16 | schneiderj | ok I try, thanks |
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| 14:25.24 | _deathz0r_ | yeah i know |
| 14:25.27 | resiak | schneiderj: Also /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 14:25.31 | _deathz0r_ | i just wanted to see if i could use it |
| 14:25.48 | resiak | !tell schneiderj -about usb-storage |
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| 14:25.58 | Wyzard | schneiderj: You need to load the "usb-storage" kernel module... that'll make USB mass-storage devices appear as SCSI disks |
| 14:25.59 | _deathz0r_ | guess ill just get another nic =) but ill try a little more |
| 14:26.08 | jonz | thanx that worked |
| 14:26.13 | Wyzard | _deathz0r_: You can, in general, but apparently the driver for that particular NIC doesn't support the feature you need |
| 14:26.27 | Wyzard | _deathz0r_: Is this a built-in NIC or a removable card? |
| 14:26.34 | _deathz0r_ | built in |
| 14:26.36 | Tempus2 | hmm, Debian keeps loading the GUI interface all by itself (and the mouse doesn't really work totally right yet), so I need to get back to the command line. I control alt backspace it and it keeps coming back up. Whatya think? |
| 14:26.39 | _deathz0r_ | and its weird |
| 14:26.57 | resiak | Tempus2: Ctrl-Alt-F1 gives you a console, |
| 14:27.04 | Terra-Niux | isnt it f2? |
| 14:27.05 | _deathz0r_ | cuz its has a little label that says "only for use with sis900 driver" |
| 14:27.07 | _deathz0r_ | lol |
| 14:27.08 | Eclipser | damn I'm slow :) |
| 14:27.11 | Terra-Niux | ahh dont worry |
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| 14:27.13 | Terra-Niux | it doesnt matter |
| 14:27.14 | Tempus2 | k thanks |
| 14:27.15 | _deathz0r_ | i tryed that first |
| 14:27.21 | resiak | Tempus2: Ctrl-Alt-F7 gets you back to X. /etc/init.d/gdm stop stops GDM, start starts it. Are you installing the nvidia drivers, perchance? |
| 14:27.24 | liable | stew: you can pick it up from unstable though, maybe thats saying something about the latest release? Seems strange its gone from sarge though, has me baffled though |
| 14:27.25 | resiak | Tempus2: It's f1 through f6 |
| 14:27.31 | Wyzard | Tempus2: X is being started by a display manager, such as GDM or XDM. When you kill the X server using Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, the display manager restarts it. |
| 14:27.34 | _deathz0r_ | but sis900.so won't work |
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| 14:28.03 | Eclipser | _deathz0r_, what nic you got? |
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| 14:28.34 | _deathz0r_ | davicom 9102, the one that comes with the pcchips m748 mobo |
| 14:28.36 | Wyzard | _deathz0r_: Well, try it on another network with a non-ancient hub to make sure it works there... and if it does, spend your money on a new switch, not a new NIC |
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| 14:30.27 | Eclipser | NICs are quite cheap :) |
| 14:30.43 | Eclipser | I just bought another NIC for 2e |
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| 14:31.07 | Wyzard | Eclipser: I'll bet it was an RTL-8139 |
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| 14:31.35 | Eclipser | Wyzard, I forgot... let me check :p |
| 14:31.36 | CrypticSquared | hey anyone in here? |
| 14:31.49 | drac | CrypticSquared: no, you are all alone. |
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| 14:32.07 | CrypticSquared | damn was affraid of that :P |
| 14:32.08 | Eclipser | Wyzard, RTL-8029 :p |
| 14:32.09 | Wyzard | CrypticSquared: There are 815 people in here, in fact |
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| 14:32.18 | Wyzard | Eclipser: ah... that's an older one |
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| 14:32.26 | Eclipser | Wyzard, but it works |
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| 14:32.36 | Tempus2 | !tell Tempus2 about set up x |
| 14:32.59 | drac | Tempus2: You can talk with dpkg, in.. private too :) |
| 14:33.12 | Tempus2 | oh cool |
| 14:33.19 | CrypticSquared | what is the best way of figuring out a firewall? well i log it, it comes up on console which is great and what i want, but if im in x, and cant access something net related, there is no log to read? |
| 14:33.20 | Eclipser | :p |
| 14:33.21 | Tempus2 | that's all i needed from him :) |
| 14:33.26 | Wyzard | Eclipser: My router has one of those for the side that connects to the cable modem... I think it's a 10baseT-only card, no 100 |
| 14:33.29 | jonz | man i still can't get nocindent to work in my .exrc or my vimrc |
| 14:33.43 | Eclipser | Wyzard, yep, enough for me though |
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| 14:34.02 | Eclipser | X forwarding works just fine :) |
| 14:34.25 | Wyzard | Eclipser: Well, FWIW, you could probably have gotten an 8139 for 3e :-) |
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| 14:34.33 | Eclipser | I just use it to get my laptop online... though I have a 100Mbps internet at home |
| 14:34.37 | Eclipser | Wyzard, hehe, quite possible :p |
| 14:34.53 | liable | well that has me fucked, anyone know why wvdial has gone missing from testing? |
| 14:35.07 | resiak | !why is wvdial not in testing |
| 14:35.09 | dpkg | wvdial is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=wvdial |
| 14:35.24 | Eclipser | I just wondered the same thing a while ago : |
| 14:35.25 | Eclipser | :p |
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| 14:35.39 | stranger | ok, when I play any audio or video file I don't get any sound.. I tried http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard , anyone knows of a good howto for sarge? |
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| 14:37.02 | liable | resiak: well thats all good, but it *was* intesting last time i looked |
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| 14:37.17 | resiak | liable: So read that page. |
| 14:37.26 | Eclipser | liable, I got a backport from apt-get.org and it works fine |
| 14:37.31 | resiak | liable: It doesn't build from source on ARM, so probably won't make it into Sarge. |
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| 14:37.50 | yixuan | whether my cpu(amd Socket 754 Sempron 2600+) is k8 series? |
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| 14:38.52 | Artimus | I went to boot a Stable(bf24) disk the other day, as I had a spare partition for Debian. When I went to partition, it said the the partitions were bigger than the disk or something. Does Woody have support for harddrives over 137GB? |
| 14:39.17 | liable | resiak: but why isnt there *a* version, its been around a long time |
| 14:40.02 | liable | resiak: I got it from testing less than two weeks ago |
| 14:40.06 | mooded | Artimus, id stronly assume you can use up to 2TB if your fs supports it.. (xfs scales pretty good iirc.) |
| 14:40.20 | mooded | Artimus, up to 2TB (on 32bit sys..) |
| 14:40.20 | resiak | liable: Because it doesn't build on ARM, so it's been removed. |
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| 14:40.34 | Wyzard | Artimus: I think it's really a question of whether the kernel's driver for your IDE controller supports it |
| 14:40.51 | Artimus | mooded: My disks aren't partitioned wrong. I also run Slackware on my box, it doesn't complain about partition sizes |
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| 14:41.50 | bluefox83 | yixuan, it's k7, i have the 2400 sempron :) |
| 14:41.53 | mooded | Artimus, that doesnt have anything to do with wrong partitioning.. (its just the maximum you can address with 32bit .. which i got to know shortly due to wrong partitioning.. which still doesnt change the theoretical maximum.. and the dependecy on the underlying filesystem..) |
| 14:41.59 | liable | resiak: so we all suffer? |
| 14:42.05 | resiak | liable: Why yes. |
| 14:42.26 | liable | resiak: doesnt seem fair |
| 14:42.45 | Artimus | mooded: Ok, so the old woody kernel doesn't support lba48? |
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| 14:42.59 | Tempus2 | okay, see if you guys can figure this one out, heh. My mouse is acting really strangely in the X desktop. It's pretty jumpy for one, but it doesn't seem to be moving the direction I'm telling it to move. Any ideas? |
| 14:43.16 | resiak | Tempus2: What device are you using for it? |
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| 14:43.33 | Wyzard | Tempus2: That's usually caused by using the wrong protocol |
| 14:43.48 | Tempus2 | It's a generic serial mouse. On port /dev/ttyS0, Logitech is the type. |
| 14:43.56 | benjamindees | why would a package be updated from unstable to testing if it doesn't meet the release requirements? |
| 14:43.58 | mooded | Artimus, hell .. i dont know ;) but whatever .. check what xfs can do for you.. ill guess itll be enough.. |
| 14:44.07 | resiak | !devinputmice |
| 14:44.07 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
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| 14:44.30 | outoflaw | when I try to eject my dvd drive I get the following error: umount: /media/cdrecorder: device is busy. How can I check which process keeps it busy so that I can kill it. Any ideas? |
| 14:44.34 | Tempus2 | i dont remember it working with that, but alright, we'll try it. |
| 14:44.34 | Artimus | mooded: Why would filesystems have anything to do with it? |
| 14:44.35 | resiak | !lsof |
| 14:44.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, lsof is LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
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| 14:44.39 | Artimus | cfdisk won't even OPEN |
| 14:44.41 | liable | resiak: dont mean to annoy, but why can you still get it with sid then |
| 14:44.47 | bluefox83 | hey, i use /dev/psaux cus /dev/input/mouse is wierd and says i'm not using a mouse.. |
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| 14:44.53 | Artimus | It says that there is a partition bigger than the actual harddrive |
| 14:44.59 | resiak | liable: Because Sid isn't going to get released so it doesn't matter if it doesn't work. |
| 14:45.01 | Artimus | I can't even get it to the part about creating filesystems |
| 14:45.16 | benjamindees | liable, you mean it's just been removed from testing? there's no version? |
| 14:45.27 | resiak | benjamindees: Yes, [s]he does. |
| 14:45.36 | resiak | benjamindees: Scroll up for the link to why. |
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| 14:45.42 | benjamindees | resiak, it says there are old versions that compiled |
| 14:45.48 | resiak | benjamindees: This is true. |
| 14:45.51 | liable | benjamindees: yes it appears so, I have it, but it no longer exists |
| 14:45.58 | benjamindees | so what's the logic of that? |
| 14:46.16 | benjamindees | don't the old versions still compile? |
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| 14:46.27 | resiak | benjamindees: File a bug if you're unhappy about it. |
| 14:46.38 | benjamindees | I thought it was all automatic... |
| 14:46.54 | resiak | benjamindees: Define "it". |
| 14:47.04 | benjamindees | migration from unstable -> testing |
| 14:47.22 | resiak | benjamindees: It is automatic if there are no critical bugs filed against a package in 2 weeks. |
| 14:47.29 | resiak | benjamindees: Did it ever build from source on ARM? |
| 14:47.30 | Tempus2 | reskak: the /dev/input/mice won't even run |
| 14:47.51 | resiak | Tempus2: res<TAB> would help you spell me :p *shrug* I dunno then. |
| 14:48.03 | benjamindees | resiak, the last version did: http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=arm&pkg=wvstreams |
| 14:48.03 | Tempus2 | oops, heh my bad |
| 14:48.11 | liable | so because it doesnt build on arm, everyone else has to suffer (sucks)\ |
| 14:48.15 | Tempus2 | resiak: better? :P |
| 14:48.18 | benjamindees | ugh.. this is why it *shouldn't* be automatic... |
| 14:48.26 | resiak | benjamindees, liable: File a bug. |
| 14:48.27 | resiak | Tempus2: Yah :) |
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| 14:48.55 | benjamindees | or a bug should automatically be filed by the autobuilder |
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| 14:49.11 | Tempus2 | Wyzard: You were saying that it's usually something when the mouse behaves this way? |
| 14:49.24 | resiak | Tempus2: You've probably picked the wrong driver in d-r x-x. |
| 14:49.32 | liable | resiak: I have a working version that I havent upgraded because of a bug, but its a bit harsh thats there isnt even the old good version in the repo |
| 14:49.40 | benjamindees | resiak, it's migrating an *empty* package because there's no bug been filed against it? |
| 14:49.41 | Tempus2 | resiak: where do i fix that? |
| 14:49.45 | resiak | benjamindees, liable: THEN FILE A BUG!!!oneoneoe |
| 14:49.50 | resiak | !d-r x-x Tempus2 |
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| 14:49.54 | resiak | !drxx Tempus2 |
| 14:49.55 | dpkg | Tempus2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 14:49.56 | benjamindees | heh |
| 14:49.56 | Wyzard | Tempus2: Wrong protocol |
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| 14:50.09 | Tempus2 | yea that's what im in, resiak |
| 14:50.10 | Wyzard | Tempus2: You probably want PS/2 or one of its variants, like ImPS/2 or ExPS/2 |
| 14:50.21 | MrPrimate | firestarter keeps stopping on me, and i have to start the firewall again, has anyone ever had that happen before ? |
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| 14:50.26 | Tempus2 | Wyzard: Even if it's a Serial Mouse? |
| 14:50.34 | liable | resiak: there was a bug filed for it, but in my case its only to do with slmodem driver |
| 14:50.37 | schneiderj | about my man key, I have the folling answer : -vfat not supported by kernel. Why ? |
| 14:51.04 | resiak | schneiderj: What was the command you ran? |
| 14:51.22 | Wyzard | Tempus2: If it's serial then you might need a different protocol... I don't remember any of the others offhand though :-) |
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| 14:51.34 | Tempus2 | Wyzard: The only options for /dev/ttyS0 (which is what the serial is on) are Auto, Microsoft, MouseSystems, GlidePoint, ThinkingMouse, MouseMan, Logitech, IntelliMouse, MMSeries, MMHitTab |
| 14:52.02 | resiak | Tempus2: Have you tried picking /dev/input/mice and choosing IMPS/2? |
| 14:52.13 | schneiderj | the one you tell me mont -t -vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/clefusb |
| 14:52.23 | Tempus2 | resiak: When I pick /dev/input/mice it won't even start the KDE desktop |
| 14:52.31 | resiak | Tempus2: Fair enough. |
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| 14:52.44 | Wyzard | resiak: I'm pretty sure only 2.6 kernels handle serial mice through the input core |
| 14:52.50 | resiak | !devinputmice |
| 14:52.50 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 14:52.51 | jonz | hmm what's the best way to get a drive's geometry for automated partitioning? parted print? |
| 14:52.52 | resiak | Wyzard: ^^ |
| 14:52.53 | d0s4gw | anyone here have any luck playing wmv's in debian? |
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| 14:53.00 | resiak | !tell d0s4gw -about marillat |
| 14:53.02 | schneiderj | sdv1 don't exist on my system |
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| 14:53.09 | benjamindees | liable, it's not just harsh, it's completely bass-fucking ackwards |
| 14:53.15 | resiak | d0s4gw: Then you can apt-get install w32codecs |
| 14:53.20 | benjamindees | liable, you're a DD? |
| 14:53.27 | chealer | d0s4gw: yes |
| 14:53.27 | d0s4gw | cool, thanks |
| 14:53.34 | chealer | !tell d0s4gw about wmv |
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| 14:54.25 | chealer | actually, no, I don't think there's luck associated with reading wmv-s |
| 14:54.34 | Tempus2 | yay! :) |
| 14:54.45 | Tempus2 | I picked Microsoft and the mouse works right. Thanks guys. |
| 14:54.53 | liable | benjamindees: no chance, but you can get wvdial in woody, why the fuck cant you get an old version in sarge, the new one doesnt work, ok at least put something in to replace it |
| 14:54.55 | Petrov | i have a question. I have installed debian and if i must motivate my password and login, he wants do not longer further |
| 14:55.22 | resiak | liable, benjamindees: SO FILE A BUG DAMNIT! |
| 14:55.27 | benjamindees | liable, which version did you get from testing? |
| 14:55.35 | resiak | liable, benjamindees: Help make Sarge as good as possible. |
| 14:55.40 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 14:55.44 | benjamindees | resiak, chill, I'm investigating... |
| 14:55.48 | resiak | liable, benjamindees: Alternatively, try to figure out why it doesn't build on ARM and fix0rize ;) |
| 14:56.04 | Eclipser | I need to learn regexp better someday... could someone tell me how to find all .mp3 and .ogg files from a directory? |
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| 14:56.06 | liable | resiak: its not that, THERE IS NO WVDIAL AT ALL IN SARGE |
| 14:56.20 | resiak | liable: Sure, and that's because it doesn't build on ARM. |
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| 14:56.33 | benjamindees | resiak, I'm trying to figure out why sarge isn't "release ready" at all times; that's the bug I'll be filing... |
| 14:56.34 | CrypticSquared | hey can someone help me with iptables logging and how to get it to a file instead of the console? |
| 14:56.40 | chealer | !coffee resiak |
| 14:56.51 | chealer | uh, no coffee. what a strange bot |
| 14:56.58 | Eclipser | !cola resiak |
| 14:56.59 | resiak | liable: So you could file a bug to try to get an older version that did build on ARM back into Sarge. Alternatively, you can look at the autobuilder's output and try to figure out why it's not building and fix that. |
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| 14:57.03 | liable | resiak: well, how about adding a package for every other poor buuger that doesnt have arm? |
| 14:57.05 | resiak | !vodka me |
| 14:57.06 | Wyzard | CrypticSquared: Kernel messages are already logged to a file |
| 14:57.09 | resiak | liable: Sure, ask for that too :) |
| 14:57.11 | furrywolf | !beer resiak |
| 14:57.16 | benjamindees | liable, you said you got a version of wvdial for testing? |
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| 14:57.27 | furrywolf | that's the kind of coffee the bot drinks. :P |
| 14:57.31 | furrywolf | bbl, garage sales |
| 14:57.33 | CrypticSquared | Wyzard: how do i specify a file? instead of it just coming up on the console screen? |
| 14:57.58 | Wyzard | CrypticSquared: /var/log/kern.log |
| 14:58.21 | chessie | i need help with an old disk |
| 14:58.37 | CrypticSquared | Wyzard: but everything gets put there, i want to select where certain iptables --log thingies go |
| 14:58.51 | benjamindees | liable, was it 4.0.1-1.4 ? |
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| 14:59.04 | liable | resiak: I see your point, because it doesnt work for everyone? |
| 14:59.12 | Becca | Hey, Bbrazil, you around? |
| 14:59.20 | liable | benjamindees: 1.54.0.1 |
| 14:59.20 | CrypticSquared | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.30 | chessie | anyone? HDD help? |
| 14:59.51 | liable | benjamindees: just get the source I spose or go for the sid package |
| 15:00.05 | resiak | liable: Absolutely. The idea is to make Sarge as similar as possible on all archs. There are packages that are only on one or a few archs, though, normally things like bootloaders or whatnot. You might be able to get them to include wvdial on only those archs it builds on. |
| 15:00.11 | jonz | hmm what's the proper way to "echo newpass | passwd username" |
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| 15:00.18 | jonz | for a script |
| 15:00.24 | Wyzard | CrypticSquared: I think iptables has a "ulog" target which lets it pass messages to a userspace daemon called "ulogd", which you can then configure to write to the files you want |
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| 15:00.30 | benjamindees | liable, I don't care about your package; I care about testing working properly... |
| 15:00.33 | jonz | man pages don't say anything about stdin or automating changes |
| 15:00.42 | Wyzard | CrypticSquared: Using the ordinary "log" target, you get kernel messages |
| 15:00.42 | CrypticSquared | Wyzard: thankyou, will try |
| 15:00.54 | liable | resiak: well what about the older versions |
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| 15:01.06 | resiak | liable: Don't ask me, ask the package maintainer :) |
| 15:01.06 | liable | benjamindees: well fuck you too :) |
| 15:01.13 | benjamindees | liable, if there is a version of wvdial that compiled on testing a month ago, that version should still be in testing... |
| 15:01.32 | benjamindees | liable, heh, :p |
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| 15:02.07 | liable | benjamindees: I dont know thats why im making a shit of myself on irc |
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| 15:02.15 | jonz | doesn't seem that debian has passwd --stdin |
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| 15:02.26 | Ungy | I got a really stupid question how do I tell aptitude to install all recomended packages? |
| 15:02.29 | Wyzard | benjamindees: Not if that version was found to have RC bugs that weren't fixed quickly |
| 15:02.49 | benjamindees | Wyzard, hopefully... |
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| 15:03.13 | SAM_theoldman | hi what the fuck |
| 15:03.20 | wtf | hi |
| 15:03.26 | liable | Wyzard: well what about the good old wvdial |
| 15:04.06 | wtf | i hava an ata33 disk and i added now a 200g ata66 disk.. |
| 15:04.07 | Wyzard | liable: I don't use wvdial so I haven't paid any attention to the package, sorry |
| 15:04.14 | wtf | but my linux doesn't detect |
| 15:04.16 | wtf | this disk ;\ |
| 15:04.19 | wtf | what's wrong? |
| 15:04.50 | Wyzard | wtf: Does your BIOS detect it? |
| 15:04.58 | Ungy | does anyone know how I can tell Aptitude to automatically install recommended packages on dist-upgrade |
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| 15:05.25 | CrypticSquared | does debian come with a helper monkey to type in those annoying passwords you dont want to turn off for security reasons? |
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| 15:05.38 | wtf | Wyzard: yes.. |
| 15:05.56 | Wyzard | wtf: And is it on the same IDE controller as your existing disk? |
| 15:06.06 | wtf | Wyzard: am not.. |
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| 15:06.16 | Ungy | CrypticSquared wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose |
| 15:06.17 | wtf | it is on a ata66 controler (intergraded on the board) |
| 15:07.00 | liable | so anyone that wants to use a modem on sarge has to suck ass? soory, but I cant believe this has happened |
| 15:07.02 | Wyzard | wtf: You might need to load a driver module for that controller |
| 15:07.07 | [sr] | ppl |
| 15:07.14 | [sr] | did anyone setup a dhcp+bind auto update? |
| 15:07.30 | chessie | 1 |
| 15:07.31 | Ungy | [sr]???? |
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| 15:08.26 | [sr] | dhcp updating named |
| 15:08.27 | [sr] | :p |
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| 15:08.36 | Putiikki | i have line "[foo]bar[/foo]". how to filter those "foo" tags away, so result would be only "bar"? |
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| 15:08.42 | wtf | Wyzard: will try it now, one moment please |
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| 15:09.26 | CrypticSquared | Wyzard: thanks again for your help |
| 15:09.28 | Gorbus | Putiikki, try 'sed' |
| 15:09.34 | Ungy | damn openoffice is huge |
| 15:09.35 | Putiikki | let's see |
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| 15:10.40 | benjamindees | liable, two of the three maintainers of wvdial are the same as those of it's failed dependency, wvstreams... |
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| 15:11.33 | bluefox83 | Ungy, you might try abiword, it's smaller and a bit easier to use :) |
| 15:11.51 | Ungy | I am just doing a dist-upgrade to unstable |
| 15:12.08 | Ungy | I think I got abiword as well |
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| 15:12.26 | bluefox83 | i like it a whole lot more than openoffice, it's waaaaaay smaller |
| 15:12.33 | liable | benjamindees: yeah I know the same probs with the latest wvdial also had to do wvstreams, but that doesnt mean its ok to completely cut the package (or an older working version ) from sarge. I *couldnt* use linux without wvdial |
| 15:12.42 | BarryMead | What is the "Debian" way to configure the automatic loading of the "kdm" longin manager instead of "gdm" which is the default under KnoppMyth r5a12? |
| 15:12.45 | Ungy | bluefox cool I have to try it out |
| 15:12.49 | jonz | grr is there /any/ way to reset a password in debian via automated script (e.g. echo pass | passwd user) ? |
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| 15:12.59 | jonz | or do you have to edit the file |
| 15:13.14 | bluefox83 | BarryMead, why would you want to use kdm? |
| 15:13.14 | benjamindees | liable, wvstreams has another package that depends on it, retchmail, as well |
| 15:13.35 | Ungy | retchmail? |
| 15:13.38 | chealer | BarryMead: what's KnoppMyth r5a12? |
| 15:13.43 | BarryMead | I think gdm is to cutesy pie and reminds me of the flower movement of the 60's |
| 15:13.47 | benjamindees | Ungy, that's what it says... |
| 15:13.55 | Ungy | hahahaha awesome name |
| 15:14.07 | bluefox83 | lol, BarryMead you can configure it to look differently you know..it's themeable |
| 15:14.29 | liable | benjamindees: I have wvdial working at the mo, I just dont understand not having it in sarge, but there are prolly better reasons that I know for not including it |
| 15:14.33 | BarryMead | I like how kdm automatically asks if you want to reboot or whatever too. |
| 15:14.54 | bluefox83 | automatically when? |
| 15:14.56 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 15:14.58 | BarryMead | in gdm you have to click an extra button to say that you want to shutdown. |
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| 15:15.08 | benjamindees | liable, it's possible that wvstreams must be updated to support retchmail; that's all I can think of |
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| 15:15.21 | bluefox83 | BarryMead, you can make it ask automatically too... |
| 15:15.37 | BarryMead | bluefox83 ok how do you do that? |
| 15:15.45 | ledestin | BarryMead: /etc/X11/default-display* |
| 15:15.58 | bluefox83 | uhmmm..holdon let me find it.. |
| 15:16.13 | Gorbus | BarryMead, /etc/X11/default-display-manager file contains the executable for the dm, I think. |
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| 15:16.33 | Gorbus | I mean, the name of the executable |
| 15:16.33 | Ungy | hmm I use KDM |
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| 15:17.48 | bluefox83 | BarryMead, i can't remember :/ i use to have mine ask that every time too, but i turned it off cus it was getting annoying |
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| 15:17.53 | BarryMead | Ungy what file did you change to make it load kdm? |
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| 15:18.46 | Ungy | hmm I don't remeber changing any file but my friend told me to do it If I remember correctly I think apt handled it for me |
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| 15:19.25 | Ungy | but that was a long time ago haven;t messed with it since |
| 15:19.28 | LordGrunt_ | hi. i managed to build deb package from source. but what next? how to install it? |
| 15:19.33 | bluefox83 | i forget how to do it too.. |
| 15:19.45 | bluefox83 | dpkg -i <package name> |
| 15:19.53 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 15:20.06 | Ungy | you also have to include path |
| 15:20.11 | valdyn | Ungy: you can just run "dpkg-reconfigure gdm" to make gdm be used by default, same for xdm / kdm |
| 15:20.14 | LordGrunt_ | thanks |
| 15:20.16 | bluefox83 | unless you're already in the directory.. |
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| 15:20.36 | Ungy | BarryMead there you go read what valdyn said |
| 15:20.58 | Ungy | never tired xdm maybe I should give that a try |
| 15:21.26 | Milarepa | xdm rockz |
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| 15:21.51 | p88 | hi what is the most lightweight image viewer for x? |
| 15:21.51 | Ungy | I am moving from Sarge to sid right now |
| 15:22.02 | bluefox83 | i like gdm, i have a spiffy transparent login for it ^_^ |
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| 15:22.26 | outlier | Don't know if this is Debian specific, but if I want some apps to run every time I start X (ex: fbpager, gkrellm) where do I need to put the script? |
| 15:22.27 | valdyn | p88: maybe xli |
| 15:22.42 | Ungy | I would prefer nothign and a prompt but haven;t figured out how to do that |
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| 15:22.59 | Ungy | I mean if I want x I can just type gdm kdm or xdm right? |
| 15:23.08 | p88 | valdyn: I'll try that |
| 15:23.09 | p88 | thanks |
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| 15:23.19 | valdyn | Ungy: you could, but the proper way is "/etc/init.d/gdm start" |
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| 15:23.45 | valdyn | Ungy: ( though that will only work for the current default dm ) |
| 15:23.53 | Ungy | ahh but I don;t kknow how to turn off the damned autoload into a manager |
| 15:23.53 | BarryMead | I just edited the file default-display-manager in /etc/X11 and that did it. |
| 15:24.01 | jean | debian more badly than ubuntu |
| 15:24.12 | valdyn | Ungy: rcconf |
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| 15:24.19 | Ungy | cool thanks |
| 15:24.34 | d0s4gw | can the jre be installed via apt? i tried apt-get install java and nothing |
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| 15:24.45 | valdyn | !tell d0s4gw about java-package |
| 15:24.59 | Ungy | d0s4gw apt-cache search java |
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| 15:28.42 | Ungy | ok now goign to restart X since I upgraded to SID |
| 15:28.49 | benjamindees | liable, "wvdial has no old version in testing" seems to be wrong; I'd say that's the source of the problem |
| 15:29.18 | valdyn | !info wvdial sid |
| 15:29.21 | valdyn | !info wvdial sarge |
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| 15:29.34 | dpkg | wvdial: (PPP dialer with built-in intelligence), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.54.0-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 284 kB |
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| 15:30.30 | _deathz0r_ | Wyzard |
| 15:31.04 | liable | benjamindees: well, I dont know what the fuck has gone on there, because old *grave* bugs have also gone missing that I also seen two weeks ago and the 1.54.0.1-1 package? |
| 15:31.15 | valdyn | !why is wvdial not in testing |
| 15:31.16 | dpkg | wvdial is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=wvdial |
| 15:31.26 | _deathz0r_ | is that normal? |
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| 15:31.36 | benjamindees | liable, except, wvstreams is the broken package now that I think about it |
| 15:31.39 | liable | benjamindees: and *yes* it *was* there previously |
| 15:31.43 | chealer | what is the "mand" for in mount's output line "//ANDREA/Extra (D) on /home/chealer/smb4k/ANDREA/Extra (D) type cifs (rw,mand)" ? |
| 15:32.00 | promethues | hi,everyone |
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| 15:32.41 | woolsunset | outlier, ~/.Xsession |
| 15:33.10 | liable | benjamindees: i dunno, its all a bit weird, that they have completely bagged one good app, because it wont work on some arch or whatever it wont work on |
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| 15:34.03 | valdyn | tried the sid version? |
| 15:34.12 | liable | benjamindees: at least I dont have to worry about --no-upgrade wvdial :) |
| 15:34.27 | benjamindees | liable, yes the problem is wvstreams has gone missing for some reason; the problem isn't with wvdial |
| 15:35.03 | liable | valdyn: you talking about wvdial? |
| 15:35.10 | valdyn | liable: yea |
| 15:35.18 | BarryMead | After loading KDE my non-root user comes up with a german keyboard, and when I try to fix it in the keyboard layout program the keyboard layout program just locks up. Does anyone know how to fix my non-root user to use an english keyboard (file to edit). |
| 15:35.26 | benjamindees | liable, because wvstreams 4.0.1-1.4 looks like the last version to have compiled properly, so it should still be in testing |
| 15:36.00 | liable | valdyn: hmmm, have it, just very perplexed why its *gone_missing* from sarge |
| 15:36.08 | benjamindees | liable, but it also says "wvstreams has no old version in testing" |
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| 15:36.30 | chealer | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=src&data=wvstreams&archive=no&pend-exc=pending-fixed&pend-exc=fixed&pend-exc=done&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious |
| 15:36.43 | liable | benjamindees: well it *was* there when I installed 1.54-1-1 |
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| 15:37.05 | liable | s/-1/0 |
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| 15:37.34 | _deathz0r_ | someone knows the mii-diag ? |
| 15:37.43 | _deathz0r_ | i used it to check the eth0 |
| 15:38.06 | _deathz0r_ | Basic registers of MII PHY #0: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000. Basic mode control register 0x0000: Auto-negotiation disabled, with Speed fixed at 10 mbps, half-duplex. Basic mode status register 0x0000 ... 0000. Link status: not established. Link partner information information is not exchanged when in fixed speed mode. End of basic transceiver informaion. |
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| 15:38.41 | _deathz0r_ | i think something its wrong |
| 15:38.43 | benjamindees | liable, my only question is whether wvstreams 4.0.1-1.4 fixes the rc bug that chealer points out |
| 15:39.04 | valdyn | _deathz0r_: yea, its not wired to a router / different computer properly |
| 15:39.04 | Becca | Hello -- I just had something really odd and bizarre happen to my computer. I was working, went to login as root to install a program, and my login abilities completely died -- could not login as root, could not login as any user, and the system refused to accept cntl-alt-delete to reboot the system |
| 15:39.22 | valdyn | _deathz0r_: "mii-tool eth0" is easier to read ;) |
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| 15:39.28 | Becca | I'm running testing, on a 2.6.7-2-k7 kernel. |
| 15:39.38 | chealer | benjamindees: unlikely, since katie posted it was fixed by 4.0.2-1 |
| 15:39.41 | _deathz0r_ | valdyn but the cable works with other nic |
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| 15:40.01 | liable | valdyn: , benjamindees this whole conversation was actually started from someone else asking about it. But I seem to have gotten a bee in my bonnet, because its not there anymore, even though I am using it right now |
| 15:40.02 | _deathz0r_ | and this same nic works on nt |
| 15:40.16 | chealer | Becca: I guess you mean 2.6.8-2-k7? |
| 15:40.23 | valdyn | liable: thats common behaviour, nothing unusual |
| 15:40.35 | Becca | Yea, thats what I meant. (sigh) sorry, didn't catch the typo :) |
| 15:40.35 | benjamindees | liable, oh I wasn't aware |
| 15:40.45 | chealer | liable: hehe |
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| 15:41.04 | Becca | Its too bloody early in the morning to start having comp errors like this... I'm about to scrap this install and try it again. |
| 15:41.10 | liable | valdyn: anooying none the less |
| 15:41.43 | liable | or however you spell that |
| 15:41.43 | benjamindees | valdyn, it's common for packages to be removed from testing? |
| 15:41.50 | chealer | Becca: what did it do when you tried to login? |
| 15:41.53 | valdyn | liable: annoying for you, the arm owner is glad that debian works identically on his box as on yours |
| 15:42.07 | valdyn | benjamindees: sure |
| 15:42.10 | benjamindees | valdyn, that's not even the issue |
| 15:42.16 | Becca | chealer, It just sat there. You know the delay if you type your password in wrong, where it just has a blank and sits there thinking about it? |
| 15:42.18 | Becca | It did that. |
| 15:42.23 | liable | valdyn: but a bit unfair for others no? |
| 15:42.31 | Becca | But it didn't say "autentication failed", it just did nothing at al |
| 15:42.36 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 15:42.36 | dpkg | well, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 15:42.42 | valdyn | ^^^ isnt overly hard |
| 15:42.51 | chealer | Becca: ah, did you dist-upgraded recently? |
| 15:43.01 | Becca | I installed debian recently, if that counts. |
| 15:43.10 | Becca | The system was installed on Tuesday. |
| 15:43.11 | chealer | wvstreams has also been removed from sid though |
| 15:43.26 | valdyn | liable: i agree that debian supports to many arches, but i dont use one of the rare ones. those who do are glad for it |
| 15:43.35 | chealer | Becca: ok, that should count, unless you did it from old disks |
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| 15:43.56 | Becca | The cd I did it from was about eh.. 4 months old, but it offered 2.6.8 right from the start |
| 15:44.11 | Becca | Maybe a bit newer than that. |
| 15:44.19 | Becca | And it was net install |
| 15:44.32 | liable | valdyn: maybe a warning "wvdial doesnt support arm" is better than not including the package |
| 15:44.41 | benjamindees | liable, sounds like the maintainer(s) are doing a piss poor job of package selection; if you ask me though it shouldn't be up to them |
| 15:44.41 | chealer | Becca: then dist-upgrade might be worth it. I'm not saying it's normal that login was broken in sarge even 4 months ago though |
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| 15:44.59 | Becca | Uh, dist-upgrade would put me into unstable though... |
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| 15:45.08 | Becca | And I'd really, really really rather not play with unstable. |
| 15:45.30 | Becca | And I already did apt-get updates and apt-get upgrades already, and everything seems to be at the newest version. |
| 15:45.32 | valdyn | liable: they can ( and probably will ) do that, im not familiar with the technical details, just know they can do it ( complain to the maintainer if you think he needs it ) |
| 15:45.38 | chealer | liable: you're questionning debian policy |
| 15:45.57 | woolsunset | I'm using testing as well |
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| 15:46.32 | chealer | Becca: you'd really really rather not play with unstable indeed. but dist-upgrade doesn't do that |
| 15:46.35 | Becca | though, maybe I could just replace the login packages to unstable and get a solution there, although I've had so many problems with this freakin' install I'm absolutely baffled. |
| 15:46.44 | chealer | Becca: it will put your sarge up-to-date |
| 15:46.54 | benjamindees | liable, I think, had the wvdial/wvstreams maintainers only submitted a fix for the RC bug rather than including other things (which broke compilation), this problem wouldn't exist |
| 15:47.03 | Becca | Uhrm. How would I do that with pinning enabled on the system? |
| 15:47.03 | woolsunset | Becca, I don't think you should mix unstable with testing... |
| 15:47.13 | Becca | I have one program that is unstable ,and thats gaim. |
| 15:47.17 | liable | valdyn: chealer: just weird that a *very* usefull app for us loosers that have dialup, is shit canned because of some weird arch |
| 15:47.39 | valdyn | liable: pppconfig |
| 15:47.39 | benjamindees | chealer, are those two "grave" bugs enough to remove the package from testing? |
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| 15:47.43 | Becca | woolsunset, believe me, except for gaim, I agree with you. But if it solves the bloody problem, I'll cope. ;/ |
| 15:47.56 | valdyn | liable: gkdial |
| 15:48.00 | chealer | Becca: hehe, sounds like me :) |
| 15:48.01 | valdyn | liable: kppp |
| 15:48.09 | chealer | !tell Becca about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 15:48.13 | liable | chealer: not questioning debian policy at all, but, if you had to rely on wvdial, how happy would you be? |
| 15:48.26 | chealer | liable: probably unhappy |
| 15:48.32 | Becca | chealer, Already got pinning installed :) Pinning is nice. |
| 15:48.32 | liable | valdyn: doesnt pick up my gay winmodem |
| 15:48.38 | Becca | I _really_ like pinning.. *L* |
| 15:48.40 | BarryMead | The keyboard language selector in KDE is broken. My non-root user is stuck on GERMAN keyboard. Does anyone know how to manually change the keyboard layout so I can fix this? |
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| 15:48.56 | chealer | Becca: read the "echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf" part |
| 15:49.03 | valdyn | liable: wvdial would do that? i didnt know |
| 15:49.17 | liable | valdyn: hehe |
| 15:49.18 | Becca | Thats basically what pinning is, as far as I know? |
| 15:49.23 | chealer | benjamindees: one RC bug is enough to remove the package from testing |
| 15:49.25 | liable | :) |
| 15:49.30 | Becca | I remember goofing about with apt.conf when I did it. x.x |
| 15:49.36 | Becca | But I actually did it the long way... |
| 15:49.46 | benjamindees | chealer, I know, but bts isn't clear which one's are "rc" |
| 15:49.54 | Becca | Now, to access sid packages, I type apt-get install programname/unstable |
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| 15:50.21 | chealer | Becca: that's great. so dist-upgrade should just refresh your sarge |
| 15:50.36 | Becca | So just apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 15:50.39 | chealer | Becca: although it might also update your gaim to sid's latest |
| 15:50.41 | Becca | Or is there something else I should do? |
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| 15:50.43 | benjamindees | !apostrophesmite me |
| 15:50.45 | tam | when you make a softlink to a file does it still keep its original perms? |
| 15:50.50 | Becca | Thats ok, I don't mind. I know how to backtrack if I need to |
| 15:50.54 | chealer | Becca: I use a trick if you want to keep gaim from being upgraded |
| 15:51.10 | Becca | Yea, I've used it -- its already at the latest version in sid anyway |
| 15:51.13 | liable | valdyn: kppp doesnt work, never heard os gkp |
| 15:51.17 | chealer | benjamindees: grave, serious, critical are RC |
| 15:51.29 | Becca | So it won't actually hurt anything with it. What command should I type to get this dist-upgrade on the roll? |
| 15:51.41 | chealer | Becca: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:51.50 | STuFf0r | hi! |
| 15:51.54 | Becca | Nothing, chealer :( |
| 15:51.58 | Becca | I'm all at the newest. |
| 15:52.14 | liable | s/gkp/gkdial |
| 15:52.31 | chealer | Becca: strange. dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 15:52.44 | STuFf0r | When I wanna start FreeDoko I get this error: FreeDoko: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmm-2.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file:No such file or directory |
| 15:52.49 | kingsley | Epson said that my printer may not be printing cyan because I'm using a non-Epson cartridge for black ink. |
| 15:52.50 | STuFf0r | Can any1 help me? |
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| 15:53.02 | Becca | What does that do? |
| 15:53.06 | chealer | !any1 |
| 15:53.06 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
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| 15:53.34 | benjamindees | STuFf0r, you got these programs from .deb packages? |
| 15:53.36 | chealer | Becca: tells you which version of the kernel image you have. verify that you have -13 |
| 15:53.50 | STuFf0r | Yes, I compile a rpm-Package with alien |
| 15:53.52 | kingsley | STuFf0r: I suggest searching google's archives for the error message. |
| 15:53.54 | Becca | Yes, it is -13. |
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| 15:54.11 | drac | compile? rpm package? with alien? |
| 15:54.15 | benjamindees | STuFf0r, find real debs |
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| 15:54.33 | STuFf0r | Ok. |
| 15:54.50 | benjamindees | drac, you forgot "yes" |
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| 15:55.06 | Becca | So you know, I have disabled ACPI and I have also killed xscreensaver |
| 15:55.11 | STuFf0r | then, how can i uninstall a .deb? |
| 15:55.16 | Becca | I don't know if this should affect logins though... |
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| 15:55.44 | chealer | Becca: do you have bash 2.05b-26? |
| 15:55.58 | shingouz | Becca: did the xscreensaver cure the "i go into helen keller mode if i am left alone for too long with X running"? |
| 15:56.02 | Becca | Yes. |
| 15:56.19 | Becca | I dunno if it was xscreensaver or removing ACPI, but it isn't doing it now :) |
| 15:56.22 | chealer | STuFf0r: dpkg -r foo |
| 15:56.25 | Becca | I killed both to be certain |
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| 15:56.48 | STuFf0r | really? |
| 15:56.54 | Becca | And chealer, it is at that version, yes |
| 15:56.56 | chealer | Becca: strange, you seem to be up-to-date. it may have updated on installation |
| 15:57.01 | shingouz | Becca: i am guessing it is the screensaver as i get the same lockups here and i do not run ACPI at all |
| 15:57.11 | E-bola | Can somebody help me figure out why after having upgraded to a 2.6 kernel my debian server freezes? |
| 15:57.20 | Becca | shingouz, I had ACPI running, so it could have been either or -- which is why I killed both :) |
| 15:57.28 | Becca | But that problem is fixed, thank goodness. |
| 15:57.43 | E-bola | i thought it was related to RTC, the hw clock, but it seems it frezes regardless if i answer yes or no in base-config about being UTC or not |
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| 15:58.16 | E-bola | It freezes right after: SEtting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference.... |
| 15:58.21 | liable | Becca: well try starting acpi (seeing as its very usefull for laptops) and see if it does it again |
| 15:58.23 | Becca | Though if I had to choose between shutting down the computer every night or losing the ability to login, I'd take shutting down every night.. o_O |
| 15:58.24 | E-bola | and then 2 lines about my nic |
| 15:58.35 | BarryMead | Got the keyboard fixed. you have to select the keyboard in the little system tray, then it unlocks the glitch in the program and the bug goes away. |
| 15:58.38 | E-bola | +f i then press ctrl´+c it continues |
| 15:58.39 | Becca | liable, if I were on a laptop, I'd bother with it, but since I'm not... |
| 15:58.51 | E-bola | how can i see what it was i aborted with ctrl+c? |
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| 15:59.04 | liable | Becca: oh, must be loosing my mind again :) |
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| 15:59.16 | Becca | Its ok, I USED to have a laptop |
| 15:59.26 | Becca | Thats what the desktop system replaced. ^_^ |
| 15:59.46 | woolsunset | I don't use ACPI |
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| 16:00.34 | xelam | if i have a video cpature card, how can i see what input sources it thinks it has? |
| 16:00.42 | FlimFlamMan | any advantages to running on powerpc instead of intel? |
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| 16:01.17 | valdyn | FlimFlamMan: powerbooks just look > * |
| 16:01.26 | fflush-non-free | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.27 | fflush-non-free | :P |
| 16:01.30 | soebbi | the hackvalue is hicher :) |
| 16:01.30 | benjamindees | lets see, how many developers would revolt if Debian required them to submit a patch to the current version to fix RC bugs before uploading a new version |
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| 16:02.15 | valdyn | benjamindees: just pay them, im sure they will sacrifice time for $ |
| 16:02.34 | benjamindees | valdyn, I can't very well pay them all... |
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| 16:02.48 | schneiderj | Hello, I have also a problem with my wireless card, I found it when I execute the command lscpi, how can I use it to connect my pc |
| 16:03.31 | FlimFlamMan | valdyn: > * is greater than everything? :-) |
| 16:03.34 | FlimFlamMan | debian on powerbook is nice? |
| 16:03.54 | valdyn | FlimFlamMan: every other notebook |
| 16:04.07 | FlimFlamMan | p-p-p-powerbook |
| 16:04.11 | soebbi | Debian on powerbooks would be nice, if touchpads, wlan, sound, 3d would work |
| 16:04.25 | xelam | it would be nice if they had two mouse buttons |
| 16:04.31 | valdyn | FlimFlamMan: i didnt buy one because its wlan interface has no linux drivers at all |
| 16:04.38 | benjamindees | ooh, touchpads almost solves the one button problem |
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| 16:04.50 | soebbi | xelam: thats no problem, the keypad enter is a good replacement |
| 16:04.54 | Becca | I am glad my system had drivers, even if its running like a problematic piece of dog doo. >.> |
| 16:05.00 | FlimFlamMan | i don't even use a laptop, usually |
| 16:05.07 | Becca | Thats what I get for naming the system after a trickster... |
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| 16:05.38 | pipeline | Thinkpads have three mouse buttons |
| 16:05.39 | pipeline | which is a blessing |
| 16:05.45 | pipeline | they also have the lovely clit mouse |
| 16:05.47 | Becca | I like my thinkpad. Its just too slow. |
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| 16:05.52 | pipeline | A few don't even have touchpads |
| 16:06.03 | shingouz | Becca: what thinkpad? |
| 16:06.08 | FlimFlamMan | if they had any sense, they would have advertised it that way |
| 16:06.08 | Becca | T20. |
| 16:06.11 | dvs | Becca: With linux? |
| 16:06.16 | shingouz | most of the thinkpads do not have the frigging touchpad at all |
| 16:06.18 | Becca | Yes, of course. |
| 16:06.25 | dvs | o_O |
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| 16:06.30 | pipeline | The powerbook is laughably overpriced at this point. |
| 16:06.32 | schneiderj | About my wireless card, nobody can help me ? |
| 16:06.44 | pipeline | soebbi: An X41 goes for about 1500$ :P |
| 16:06.51 | shingouz | Becca: i run a tp600 (P2-300) here and i do not find it too slow... |
| 16:06.53 | FlimFlamMan | what i'd like is the smallest, lightest, cheapest mobile device with a full-size-ish keyboard to take with me on vaca so i can ssh into the servers if i have to. |
| 16:07.19 | soebbi | pipeline: my pb was 1350 EUR and has way better hardware than most x41s |
| 16:07.20 | Becca | My thinkpad is a 700 mhz with 128 megs of ram -- 6 gig hdd -- the problem is the fact I have to use OO.o for work, and 2.0 is a piggie |
| 16:07.22 | chealer | Becca: there's something you should do before apt-get dist-upgrade : apt-get update |
| 16:07.41 | Becca | chealer, I already did that this morning |
| 16:07.41 | shingouz | Becca: more ram |
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| 16:07.41 | Becca | several times, just hoping that it would work |
| 16:07.48 | soebbi | pipeline: and, of course, it has osx :) |
| 16:07.50 | valdyn | FlimFlamMan: small is expensive, you may want to have a look at some import shop who gets gadgets from japan |
| 16:07.52 | pipeline | Becca: You poor son of a bitch. |
| 16:07.58 | mooded | <-- tp A31 .. runnin just fine.. |
| 16:07.59 | pipeline | soebbi: I don't consider OSX to be a feature. |
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| 16:08.10 | woolsunset | Bye! |
| 16:08.10 | BenDrake | hey all, I was wondering if KDE 3.2 runs quicker than KDE 3.4... Just wondering if i hould upgrade |
| 16:08.13 | Becca | shingouz, Lets do the comparison a moment. 256 megs of ram for a T20 is 100 USD -- excluding customs to get the chips to Canada. |
| 16:08.16 | pipeline | Becca: 700MHz isn't so bad, but 128M? Sad, sad. |
| 16:08.21 | Becca | This desktop cost me 450 after taxes. |
| 16:08.26 | FlimFlamMan | valdyn: i think the full-size keyboard requirement keeps it out of the leetley-small category |
| 16:08.27 | streuner_ | pipeline: i wouldn't say such things :-) |
| 16:08.30 | Becca | Pipeline: No kidding!!! |
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| 16:08.35 | valdyn | FlimFlamMan: true |
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| 16:08.42 | Becca | Pipeline: I'll happily slobber over my 512 megs ram :) |
| 16:08.43 | FlimFlamMan | just not aware of such a beastie |
| 16:08.44 | pipeline | streuner_: I have no fear |
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| 16:09.02 | streuner_ | pipline: Becca _IS_ female :-) |
| 16:09.14 | liable | Becca: be carefull where you slobber |
| 16:09.19 | soebbi | pipeline: i do, sometimes its nice to have a system which pampers me :) |
| 16:09.21 | pipeline | Ah, I thought you meant the OSX thing |
| 16:09.24 | FlimFlamMan | i think i recall a little sony vaio thingie that had a small, wide screen - plenty for text-mode shell connections |
| 16:09.24 | shingouz | Becca: but you still have the thinkpad, don't you? hmm... try running it with a lighter window manager and you migh be surprised how well it performs |
| 16:09.40 | Becca | shingouz, I alreadyuse a massive lightweight manager. |
| 16:09.44 | pipeline | soebbi: Pampers you with a hopelessly broken interface? Right. I'll take Gnome or KDE, kthxbai |
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| 16:09.50 | Becca | Its OO.o2.0 -- it requires around 256 minimum |
| 16:09.57 | Becca | And I need that for work related stuff |
| 16:09.59 | dvs | and java |
| 16:10.04 | Eclipser | 700MHz/128MB? that's nice |
| 16:10.13 | Becca | Oh, its defiinitely a nice laptop. |
| 16:10.14 | chealer | BenDrake: ask #debian-kde |
| 16:10.15 | Eclipser | I have 600MHz and 64MB ram *sob* |
| 16:10.17 | FlimFlamMan | what's debian going to do about the java issues in OOo? |
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| 16:10.25 | liable | hmmm wtf is 00.o2.0 |
| 16:10.56 | pipeline | FlimFlamMan: Fuji makes an ultraportable widescreen laptop -- P7000 series |
| 16:10.56 | Eclipser | liable, openoffice.org2.0? |
| 16:10.56 | pipeline | FlimFlamMan: The same thing Fedora does -- use GCJ. |
| 16:10.56 | BenDrake | ahh, thankx chealer |
| 16:10.56 | Becca | liable, Its the beta version of the latest OO.o |
| 16:10.56 | dvs | liable: OpenOffice.org 2.0 |
| 16:10.56 | FlimFlamMan | pipeline, thx i'll look it up |
| 16:10.56 | Becca | And its _SWEET_. |
| 16:10.56 | Becca | it owns me >.> |
| 16:10.56 | soebbi | pipeline: i don't feel that its broken, although i miss the power of kde on osx |
| 16:10.56 | pipeline | FlimFlamMan: The X40 isn't widescreen, but I think the keyboard is an acceptable size. |
| 16:10.57 | Becca | It made me buy a AMD 2400+ just for it... |
| 16:10.59 | ordimini | I've a problem usign Cedega (wacraft 3) the game run Ok without any problem but at 1 fps LoL with a radeon 9700 fully fonctional with fgl_glxgears (300fps) ... someone have any idea ? |
| 16:11.06 | pipeline | soebbi: You don't feel that it's broken because you blew 1400 euros on it :P |
| 16:11.21 | pipeline | ordimini: Buy an nvidia card. :( |
| 16:11.22 | FlimFlamMan | pipeline, i'm thinking enough screenspace for a terminal, and a graphical web browser |
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| 16:11.32 | Eclipser | ordimini, I have same problem on radeon 9600 and unreal tournament 2003, it's an ati driver issue |
| 16:11.35 | valdyn | ordimini: 300fps does not at all seem like fully functional |
| 16:11.40 | Eclipser | neverwinter nights runs just fine though |
| 16:11.43 | StefaN | is reiserfs ok or would ext3 be better for debian? |
| 16:11.54 | valdyn | ordimini: oh nm, wrong gears, ignore.. |
| 16:11.56 | Eclipser | ordimini, and I'm not using cedega :) |
| 16:11.59 | soebbi | pipeline: I had an ibook before and i wouldn't have bought another mac if i would not have liked it |
| 16:12.06 | ordimini | IT's not coming from the garfic card since on my mandrake it was working well at 100fps |
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| 16:12.21 | saitan | I am having problems compiling 2.6.11 - can't get /dev/tty - should I change inittab to /dev/pts/0 ? or what I am missing ? I believe I enable all proper devices |
| 16:12.37 | benjamindees | know any good docs on the testing freeze process? |
| 16:12.41 | Eclipser | ordimini, if you can fix it, please tell me too, till then I'll say it's a driver issue |
| 16:12.59 | Eclipser | ordimini, setting minimum settings and disabling audio on ut2k3 didn't have any effect either |
| 16:13.00 | pipeline | soebbi: Yeeech. I considered buying a PB 12" to run linux, but the lol-one-butan and the ridiculous weight steered me away. |
| 16:13.05 | ordimini | Eclipser, sure it's not since it was working well when I was under mandrake |
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| 16:13.16 | chealer | FlimFlamMan: check http://lists.debian.org/debian-openoffice/2005/03/threads.html |
| 16:13.21 | pipeline | soebbi: I got a dell with a three year warranty and half the weight for the same money :P |
| 16:13.24 | Eclipser | ordimini, older drivers/kernel perhaps on mandrake? |
| 16:13.34 | Becca | I mean, if it wasn't for the fact my 20 gig hdd in my thinkpad had blown up, I WOULD have upgraded my thinkpad to 512 megs of ram. |
| 16:13.41 | valdyn | ordimini: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 16:13.42 | ordimini | mandrake nope I was using the same kernel home compiled (2.6.8) |
| 16:13.45 | Becca | BUt since I would have needed to replace the hdd too, I decided a new comp was the better route to go |
| 16:13.52 | FlimFlamMan | chealer, thx\ |
| 16:13.58 | C17H21NO4 | What do I have to do to get graphic characters in rxvt? |
| 16:14.20 | shingouz | Becca: just fax the Thinkpad over here, i can think of many ways to use a faster laptop ;) |
| 16:14.22 | ordimini | valdyn, "direct rendering: Yes" |
| 16:14.30 | Eclipser | same as me |
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| 16:14.43 | Eclipser | which fglrx and kernel version? |
| 16:14.48 | binks | hi dudes |
| 16:14.57 | valdyn | ordimini: you can run warfcraft in opengl and directx mode, did you try both? |
| 16:15.03 | binks | i have accidently changed the opening app for files from konqueror to cedega how can i change it back plz |
| 16:15.08 | valdyn | ordimini: warcraft 3 i mean |
| 16:15.10 | d0s4gw | directx on linux? |
| 16:15.13 | ordimini | hum OpenGL version string: 1.3.5010 (X4.3.0-8.12.10) kernel 2.6.8 |
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| 16:15.18 | Eclipser | d0s4gw, cedega |
| 16:15.24 | soebbi | pipeline: there are worse things on pbs than the one button...and i don't feel that its to heavy...but whatever |
| 16:15.34 | saitan | anyone has any ideia what is missing as I am not getting /dev/tty's - I have to use this windows box as my linux does not boot |
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| 16:16.05 | ordimini | valdyn, I'll try ... :D |
| 16:16.07 | Eclipser | ordimini, did you use same driver version and kernel on mandrake? |
| 16:16.34 | ordimini | Eclipser, exactly the same yes |
| 16:16.46 | valdyn | ordimini: and how did you install the ati drivers? |
| 16:17.37 | binks | can i ask how to change the app that mepis uses to open my files as its broken |
| 16:17.40 | Eclipser | I downloaded rpm, alien'd it, dpkg'd and then did what ati says |
| 16:17.47 | ordimini | valdyn, how do I chose to run on directx or opengl ? |
| 16:18.03 | ordimini | valdyn, I made a .deb file I don't remember how, that was on a tutorial |
| 16:18.07 | liable | saitan: what are you talking about |
| 16:18.18 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 16:18.18 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 16:18.19 | Eclipser | ordimini, alien -d rpmpackage most likely |
| 16:18.36 | valdyn | ordimini: possibly your cedega links against the wrong libGL.so if you installed it the wrong way |
| 16:18.40 | chealer | binks: sure, as long as you do so on #mepis |
| 16:18.49 | binks | i did |
| 16:18.57 | binks | they dont no |
| 16:18.57 | saitan | liable: thnx - was feeling that not was listening |
| 16:19.02 | Eclipser | I guess I have to try that one then |
| 16:19.05 | valdyn | ordimini: which would mean software rendering for cedega... i have no idea how to switch renderers in warcraft3, guess i read it in the cedega howto |
| 16:19.35 | liable | saitan: well that doent really answer the question does it |
| 16:19.36 | benjamindees | nice, a discussion of changing the Debian release process *2.5* years ago: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=721#comment |
| 16:19.54 | valdyn | benjamindees: theres recent discussions too, constantly |
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| 16:19.57 | dvs | !confuse saitan |
| 16:19.57 | dpkg | No, how are their badger yesterday, saitan? wellies of the republic of mongolia with extra ham |
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| 16:20.06 | christor | hello |
| 16:20.16 | benjamindees | valdyn, they mostly seem to rehash what's in that article |
| 16:20.19 | Eclipser | I can't wait to get home to tweak my ati drivers :p |
| 16:20.24 | ordimini | valdyn, maybe that's what you say it may doesnt go to the good libGL.o how can I check ? |
| 16:20.26 | saitan | liable: I am trying to compile the kernel 2.6.11 on sarge - I got the initrd 2.6.8 package and it boots ok but my speedtouch does not work so I tried compiling 2.6.11 - I think I got all the option right but dev;tty are not created |
| 16:20.26 | valdyn | benjamindees: probably |
| 16:21.03 | dvs | saitan: If you compiled it yourself, chances are that you don't have an initrd (or at least didn't make one) |
| 16:21.05 | liable | saitan: dont compile kernels |
| 16:21.10 | oZt | Which is the best p2p app around? (I'm just asking for your opion, nothing like "Depends on your needs.. " speech or anything) |
| 16:21.16 | saitan | so when it boots it gets respawning to fast etc .. message |
| 16:21.16 | christor | I need information, I added today a pci controller sata in my linux. but I dont know how find my hard disk? |
| 16:21.21 | jim | what's a speedtouch |
| 16:21.33 | oZt | I very rapid touch? |
| 16:21.36 | benjamindees | oZt, gnut |
| 16:21.39 | _deathz0r_ | oZt emule and bittorrent |
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| 16:21.40 | oZt | ok |
| 16:21.46 | dvs | oZt: It depends on your needs. |
| 16:21.48 | jim | christor: you might need a driver for it |
| 16:21.50 | liable | jim: didnt you do that in high school? |
| 16:21.59 | oZt | dvs :p |
| 16:21.59 | saitan | speedtouch is an adsl moden - it works ok on the new compiled kernel - I get it up and running whr I boot in single user mode |
| 16:22.02 | christor | jim: lspci show me my card |
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| 16:22.14 | dvs | oZt: Hey, turnabout is fair play. ;-) |
| 16:22.25 | jim | christor: good, and doesn't say "unknown" or like that? |
| 16:22.33 | d0s4gw | i had java 1.4.2 installed, i just got the 1.5 version from suns site, packaged it and installed it, but when i do 'java -version' i still get 1.4.2 |
| 16:22.43 | d0s4gw | anyone know how to make my system use the new version? |
| 16:22.44 | christor | But in first time my disk is in vfat mode, then I don t know if it s /dev/hde, hdd ,hdc how to do to know? |
| 16:22.56 | drac | d0s4gw: remove old one, install new one. |
| 16:22.57 | jim | "vfat mode" |
| 16:23.03 | oZt | dvs, :) |
| 16:23.03 | jim | not sure what that is. |
| 16:23.06 | jita | whats the difference between testing and stable releases? |
| 16:23.07 | Eclipser | ordimini, if you're going to try those ati drivers, please tell me if they work properly :p |
| 16:23.14 | christor | jim: 0000:00:09.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD Technology Inc) SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) |
| 16:23.15 | chealer | !tell jita about releases |
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| 16:23.16 | jim | vfat is a particular formatting of the partition |
| 16:23.22 | d0s4gw | remove old one... i dont remember the exact name of the package |
| 16:23.29 | d0s4gw | is there a way to find out? |
| 16:23.34 | liable | !sunday |
| 16:23.35 | christor | jim: yes but I m going to do an reiser partition currently |
| 16:23.36 | drac | d0s4gw: dpkg --get-selections | grep java |
| 16:23.38 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 16:23.51 | valdyn | ordimini: looking.. |
| 16:23.53 | ordimini | Eclipser, no problem I tell you as soon as I have find out how ! |
| 16:23.59 | benjamindees | liable, it's Saturday |
| 16:24.01 | saitan | liable: as I said I need 2.6.11, what devfs uses instead of /dev/tty1 ? /dev/pts/0? |
| 16:24.07 | jita | and do debian sarge 2 dvds contain all the packages? |
| 16:24.11 | liable | benjamindees: not here |
| 16:24.21 | dvs | jita: yes |
| 16:24.26 | liable | benjamindees: on not on #debian |
| 16:24.27 | drac | d0s4gw: or.. grep j2re or sun |
| 16:24.32 | jim | christor: you could look at dmesg to see if you actually do have the driver and it somehow installed itself... but this isn't very likely unless it was autodetected |
| 16:24.37 | jita | great Thanx dvs |
| 16:24.42 | dvs | jita: no problem |
| 16:24.45 | d0s4gw | sweet, i found it |
| 16:24.46 | d0s4gw | thanks |
| 16:24.59 | liable | saitan: what are you trying to do |
| 16:25.09 | valdyn | ordimini: ldd /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/winex/lib/libx11drv.so | grep libGL.so |
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| 16:25.19 | saitan | is there a chanel for relevant ot kernel questions? |
| 16:25.34 | Eclipser | o.O |
| 16:25.37 | Becca | #kernel would be a good one. |
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| 16:25.55 | streuner_ | saitan: #kernelnewbies at irc.oftn.net |
| 16:25.56 | christor | jim: I see that : ata1: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xF0839080 ctl 0xF083908A bmdma 0xF0839000 irq 10 |
| 16:26.00 | Eclipser | why the hell do I have jsdk installed o.O |
| 16:26.07 | jim | christor, how did you get the kernel image you're running? compile it yourself? to a package? download a kernel-image package and install that? never replaced your kernel? |
| 16:26.12 | ordimini | valdyn, "libGL.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x400b3000)" how can I know if it's ati's one ? |
| 16:26.23 | christor | yes kernel image If I remmeber |
| 16:26.24 | liable | Eclipser: good question |
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| 16:26.38 | valdyn | ordimini: ll /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 16:26.46 | jim | christor: hmmmm looks like you -do- have a driver, and looks like it -is- inserted... does lsmod mention which driver it might be? |
| 16:26.50 | valdyn | ordimini: la -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 even |
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| 16:26.53 | saitan | thanks all I am moving to the new server/chanel |
| 16:26.56 | valdyn | ordimini: ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 even |
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| 16:27.09 | jim | christor: so you did not build it yourself. ok |
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| 16:27.28 | liable | saitan: what are you actually trying to do |
| 16:27.28 | christor | jim: sata_sil 8004 0 |
| 16:27.37 | valdyn | !find /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 16:27.39 | jim | ok, |
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| 16:27.44 | streuner_ | saitan: http://www.kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 16:27.44 | christor | jim: it is loaded in the module |
| 16:27.47 | valdyn | !find usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 16:27.53 | jim | yes, so it seems |
| 16:27.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1' (1): (/usr/X11R6/lib/{libGL.so.1|libGL.so.1.2}) in libs/xlibmesa-gl. |
| 16:28.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1' returned no results. |
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| 16:28.12 | christor | jim: but How to know where is hard disk? is it in /dev/hdb /dev/hdc ...? |
| 16:28.16 | jim | christor: that's actually very good... now we just have to find out what it's called |
| 16:28.24 | Eclipser | it's part of that package and ATI says to use --force-overwrite when installing |
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| 16:28.28 | christor | jim: arf lol |
| 16:28.34 | jim | yes, exactly. what is it in? that's what the question becomes now |
| 16:28.45 | ordimini | valdyn, "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2005-04-12 01:14 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so -> libGL.so.1.2" |
| 16:28.46 | jim | are you running devfs? |
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| 16:28.57 | streuner_ | liable: he want use an 2.6.11 kernel |
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| 16:29.10 | valdyn | ordimini: run dpkg -S on that file |
| 16:29.13 | christor | jim: ?? dunno |
| 16:29.28 | jim | hmm |
| 16:29.34 | liable | streuner_: oh, did he say that |
| 16:29.36 | jim | ok, |
| 16:29.39 | valdyn | ordimini: if it doesnt answer with your ati package then its the wrong one |
| 16:29.45 | jim | does mount show anything mounted on /dev? |
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| 16:29.59 | Eclipser | valdyn, interesting, thanks :) |
| 16:30.09 | keithr | what is debian package name for uvnc? |
| 16:30.31 | christor | jim: I am in console mode and I have currently 3 hard disk on the machine /dev/hda and /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd ( cdrom) |
| 16:30.37 | jim | uvnc, what's that |
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| 16:30.49 | ordimini | valdyn, "fglrx-4-3-0: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2" sounds like it's allright no ? |
| 16:30.53 | christor | jim: and I m searching my third hard disk |
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| 16:31.03 | keithr | ultra vnc -- vnc allows taking control of remote machine |
| 16:31.08 | jim | christor: which ones are sata drives? |
| 16:31.23 | jim | keithr: is it free software? |
| 16:31.27 | Eclipser | interesting |
| 16:31.35 | jim | both client and server? |
| 16:31.36 | tarzeau | jim: try google pictures |
| 16:31.45 | tarzeau | oh wait, sorry |
| 16:31.46 | jim | pictures? |
| 16:31.48 | Eclipser | the symlink is part of xlibmesa-gl and the actual file is part of fglrx-4-3-0 :) |
| 16:31.55 | jim | hi tarzeau |
| 16:31.58 | tarzeau | jim: thought you want to know what they look like |
| 16:31.59 | jim | btw |
| 16:32.16 | paulswm | keithr: for debian vnc packages, apt-cache search vnc or search on the debian web site |
| 16:32.31 | keithr | ohhh -- probably not a package then |
| 16:32.31 | valdyn | Eclipser: it becomes messy once you have used --force-overwrite |
| 16:32.36 | keithr | thanks |
| 16:32.37 | Eclipser | valdyn, I know |
| 16:32.41 | christor | jim: sorry I have to go |
| 16:32.46 | jim | the drives? as it turns out, I am kinda curious to see what the connection at the drive looks like |
| 16:32.57 | Eclipser | valdyn, does the deb package thingie "fix" this issue? |
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| 16:33.01 | christor | jim: thx may be later |
| 16:33.04 | jim | christor: ok, good enough |
| 16:33.09 | tarzeau | dpkg seen sussudio |
| 16:33.10 | dpkg | sussudio <~sussudio@sussudio.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11d 8h 59m 25s ago, saying: 'hmm'. |
| 16:33.21 | valdyn | Eclipser: think so, i would try it |
| 16:33.42 | Eclipser | I will as soon as I get home, I don't like trying to boot my computer through ssh :) |
| 16:33.58 | valdyn | Eclipser: it cannot know what the other package fucked, so remove it anyway, reinstall xlibmesa-gl and after that install ati drivers properly |
| 16:34.34 | valdyn | ordimini: ^^^^ |
| 16:34.52 | tarzeau | telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
| 16:35.03 | ordimini | Eclipser, LOL problem solved by #cedega just run with cedega WAR3.exe -opengl LOL |
| 16:35.11 | Eclipser | doh |
| 16:35.15 | Eclipser | that doesn't really help me |
| 16:35.21 | Eclipser | I don't use cedega :p |
| 16:35.35 | oZt | is there a way to see which process that uses a certain resource (ie a smb share) ? |
| 16:35.37 | ordimini | Eclipser, so where's your problem ? |
| 16:35.40 | jim | ok, so I'm looking to read up on sata drives and how they appear in a linux box |
| 16:36.19 | Eclipser | ordimini, ut2k3 (comes with linux binary out of the box) runs 1fps at minimum details and no audio :) |
| 16:36.21 | oZt | root@pongo:~# umount /media/mp3 |
| 16:36.21 | oZt | umount: /media/mp3: device is busy <-- Want to know what's using that one.. |
| 16:36.23 | liable | tarzeau: why |
| 16:36.38 | Eclipser | ordimini, used to work before I changed my radeon 9100 to 9600xt ultimate :) |
| 16:36.44 | Mr^Cyder | how do i install a *.deb file? |
| 16:36.44 | Mr^Cyder | :D |
| 16:36.48 | Eclipser | dpkg -i |
| 16:36.54 | Eclipser | doh |
| 16:36.59 | Eclipser | man dpkg I meant |
| 16:37.05 | Mr^Cyder | hey.. i'm new 2 debian :) |
| 16:37.10 | Mr^Cyder | `n it's so weird:) |
| 16:37.16 | tarzeau | liable: wrong channel |
| 16:37.21 | tarzeau | liable: playing nethack |
| 16:37.27 | jim | Mr^Cyder: howbout dpkg --help |
| 16:37.28 | keithr | ultraVNC is free software fyi |
| 16:37.51 | Mr^Cyder | th |
| 16:37.52 | jim | keithr: what OSes does it support? |
| 16:37.53 | Mr^Cyder | thx |
| 16:38.03 | liable | tarzeau: oh |
| 16:38.25 | pipeline | Eclipser: The 9100 is the fastest card that can use open source drivers. |
| 16:38.37 | Eclipser | pipeline, I've always used ati's drivers |
| 16:38.41 | dvs | pipeline: no the 9200 is |
| 16:38.46 | Eclipser | pipeline, and my 9100 broke :< |
| 16:38.52 | pipeline | dvs: the 9100 is a lot faster than the 9200/9250 |
| 16:38.54 | Eclipser | otherwise I wouldn't have bought a new card |
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| 16:39.03 | dvs | pipeline: oh, sorry |
| 16:39.08 | liable | telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
| 16:39.15 | Eclipser | .... |
| 16:39.18 | keithr | jim: 'm looking into that now ---- I know windows for sure |
| 16:39.18 | liable | telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
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| 16:39.23 | _deathz0r_ | lol |
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| 16:39.30 | wtf | why apt-get install doesn't work behind a router ? |
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| 16:39.41 | _deathz0r_ | isn't a cs port? |
| 16:39.43 | liable | bah stupid middle button |
| 16:39.47 | tarzeau | wtf: it sure does |
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| 16:39.50 | Eclipser | liable, o.O; |
| 16:39.58 | oZt | wtf it does for me. |
| 16:40.07 | wtf | for me not |
| 16:40.07 | wtf | . |
| 16:40.10 | shingouz | wtf: check your route |
| 16:40.21 | jim | liable: the mouse ptr needs to be over the right window (unless you have "click to focus" turned on)] |
| 16:40.28 | wtf | my route's good |
| 16:40.36 | wtf | it only says - 0% [Connecting to ftp.si.debian.org (164.8.6.249)] |
| 16:41.04 | Eclipser | try pinging that |
| 16:41.09 | shingouz | wtf: is the server up in the first place |
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| 16:41.28 | liable | jim: that was a paste from tarzeau that came up from a stupid middle button |
| 16:41.37 | wtf | Shadowcat: yes |
| 16:41.39 | Becca | O |
| 16:41.47 | Becca | Err I'm getting a response on the server from my end |
| 16:41.47 | wtf | it says the same of ftp.de.debian.org |
| 16:41.49 | jim | Becc0?" |
| 16:41.58 | Becca | Typo, jim, missed the home row :) |
| 16:42.11 | paulswm | keithr: If you had botherd to check the home page you would have seen that Linux isn't supported, just windows |
| 16:42.22 | Eclipser | wtf, try connecting there with ftp client? |
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| 16:42.32 | paulswm | keithr: "Supported Operating Systems: Win9x/NT4/Win2000/XP/2003" |
| 16:42.52 | wtf | Eclipser wget www.url.si/foo.bar.tgz doesn't works too |
| 16:42.58 | wtf | but ping www.url.si works ,> |
| 16:43.09 | Eclipser | umm |
| 16:43.39 | jim | Becca: oh :) what did you really mean to say? |
| 16:43.49 | wtf | maybe i should forward port 80 to the box ? |
| 16:43.54 | Eclipser | you mean ftp.si.debian.org as www.url.si?-p |
| 16:44.09 | Becca | Just that I'm getting a response from the server the guy was having problems with apt from.. :) |
| 16:44.39 | Becca | Nothing massively significant. Heh, most of my real problems are resolved, and if it isn't resolved, its solved by hitting the reset button and letting ext3 do its nice journalling. |
| 16:44.42 | Eclipser | wtf, try wgetting with --passive-ftp ?-p |
| 16:44.57 | Eclipser | Becca, o.O |
| 16:45.03 | wtf | Eclipser yes.. |
| 16:45.13 | lunaphyte | can unstable packages be used with a testing install? |
| 16:45.31 | _deathz0r_ | yes |
| 16:45.40 | _deathz0r_ | apt pinning (google it) |
| 16:45.42 | streuner_ | lunaphyte: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:45.43 | benjamindees | !tell lunaphyte about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 16:45.44 | Becca | Eclipser, I have a hiding login problem, and when it crops up, its only solved by hitting the reset button. And before that, the system wouldn't wake back up |
| 16:45.53 | Becca | which was, once again, resolved by hitting the reset button. |
| 16:45.57 | dvs | lunaphyte: Right now they are so close so It'll work but it's not recommended for the future |
| 16:46.17 | paulswm | fgi keithr ultravnc project page |
| 16:46.21 | paulswm | !fgi keithr ultravnc project page |
| 16:46.22 | dpkg | keithr: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ultravnc project page |
| 16:46.35 | lunaphyte | thanks all |
| 16:46.52 | chealer | wow, did hear that munich chose debian? that's something I didn't expect before sarge's release |
| 16:47.00 | Becca | I love that page. |
| 16:47.11 | Eclipser | chealer, yeah, 14000 debian computers :) |
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| 16:47.25 | chealer | !munich |
| 16:47.29 | benjamindees | !hug Munchen |
| 16:47.35 | Becca | Wow, 14000 of them? Nicceee. |
| 16:47.41 | dvs | Now sarge just has to be released and everything will be perfect! ;-) |
| 16:47.53 | Mr^Cyder | can i say one more time that Debian is so weird?:) |
| 16:47.58 | dvs | Becca: one for each package! ;-) |
| 16:48.03 | Eclipser | haha |
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| 16:48.04 | chealer | !munich is the future city of desktop Debian |
| 16:48.04 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
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| 16:48.07 | Becca | Hahah! :) |
| 16:48.20 | _deathz0r_ | Mr^Cyder if weird = good then you can |
| 16:48.21 | _deathz0r_ | hehe |
| 16:48.23 | paulswm | Mr^Cyder: what do you mean, "weird"? |
| 16:48.37 | liable | !munich |
| 16:48.37 | dpkg | i heard munich is the future city of desktop Debian |
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| 16:49.24 | Mr^Cyder | paulswm: as a slack user.. debian has another locations, etc:) |
| 16:49.27 | markuman | hello. can you build .deb packages from source with apt-build ??? |
| 16:49.28 | Mr^Cyder | strange apt get ;) |
| 16:49.35 | FlimFlamMan | pipeline, fujitsu lifebook p1000 series seems like what i'm after |
| 16:49.49 | chealer | !nickometer Mr^Cyder |
| 16:49.49 | dpkg | 'Mr^Cyder' is 14.000% lame, chealer |
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| 16:49.57 | chealer | not too bad |
| 16:50.09 | paulswm | Mr^Cyder: So you mean it's *different*, not *weird* |
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| 16:50.29 | Mr^Cyder | paulswm: i don't know where to start |
| 16:50.29 | Mr^Cyder | :) |
| 16:50.32 | _deathz0r_ | !nickometer _deathz0r_ |
| 16:50.32 | jim | Mr^Cyder: sure. it certainly is different |
| 16:50.38 | _deathz0r_ | ^^ |
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| 16:50.46 | Mr^Cyder | i managed to make the router :) |
| 16:50.49 | Mr^Cyder | start apache.. |
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| 16:50.51 | Mr^Cyder | mysql |
| 16:50.52 | Mr^Cyder | :) |
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| 16:50.55 | Mr^Cyder | but.. don't know.. |
| 16:50.58 | FieldySnuts | @enter |
| 16:50.58 | chealer | _deathz0r_: hum...must be too lame |
| 16:50.58 | ravenbird | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
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| 16:51.14 | mireles27 | does anyone know LIVUX? |
| 16:51.15 | _deathz0r_ | chealer not that i care |
| 16:51.15 | mireles27 | does anyone know LIVUX? |
| 16:51.23 | chealer | _deathz0r_: (12:54:56) dpkg: the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for _deathz0r_ is 99.640%, chealer |
| 16:51.25 | _deathz0r_ | nick is just a nick =) |
| 16:51.28 | liable | !enter |
| 16:51.28 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
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| 16:51.35 | asg | mireles27: LIVUX and then get LUVS ... |
| 16:51.38 | paulswm | Mr^Cyder: There is a debian reference manual, and debian also adheres to the Filesystem Hierarchy standard, which is also in the debian documentation |
| 16:51.41 | liable | hah same thing |
| 16:51.45 | jim | mireles27: /msg dpkg ask /msg dpkg sicco |
| 16:51.56 | zumbi | mireles27, LIVUX is Valencia's Linux ? |
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| 16:52.19 | mireles27 | <zumbi> mireles27, LIVUX is Valencia's Linux ?----tes it is |
| 16:52.25 | mireles27 | <zumbi> mireles27, LIVUX is Valencia's Linux ?----yes it is |
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| 16:52.55 | asg | mireles27: #livux, have fun |
| 16:52.59 | _deathz0r_ | what would be the ultimate lame nick name? |
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| 16:53.18 | asg | _deathz0r_: ask dondelelcaro, only he can code that in dpkg. |
| 16:53.19 | _deathz0r_ | l33t deathz0r? |
| 16:53.20 | FieldySnuts | @tell mireles27 about repeat |
| 16:53.21 | paulswm | mireles27: Livux isn't debian, so we don't really care |
| 16:53.37 | chealer | nah nickometer isn't from dondelelcaro |
| 16:53.39 | liable | !tell me about enter |
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| 16:53.59 | asg | chealer: it's still part of the blootbot code which don is maintaining these days |
| 16:54.05 | chealer | !nickometer L33TNICKWITHCAPS |
| 16:54.10 | jim | liable: here's how you can do that without putting on the channel: /msg dpkg enter |
| 16:54.11 | Mr^Cyder | !nickometer cyder |
| 16:54.12 | asg | liable: you can /msg the bots also |
| 16:54.18 | chealer | dpkg: the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for L33TNICKWITHCAPS is 99.948%, chealer |
| 16:54.18 | dpkg | chealer: that's too long |
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| 16:54.29 | _deathz0r_ | rofl almost there |
| 16:54.31 | liable | who changed dpkgs enter |
| 16:54.32 | paulswm | :stupid bot tricks |
| 16:54.35 | paulswm | !stupid bot tricks |
| 16:54.35 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 16:54.44 | asg | or /j #debian-bots |
| 16:54.50 | chealer | oops. anyway, L33TNICKWITHCAPS doesn't _ and other characters like that, that's why _deathz0r_ beat it |
| 16:54.55 | Becca | Gotta go, later peeps |
| 16:55.00 | asg | have fun |
| 16:55.01 | paulswm | See ya Becca |
| 16:55.03 | liable | asg: yeah, it used to be funnier |
| 16:55.08 | chealer | s/_ and/have "_" and |
| 16:55.20 | asg | liable: then change it back. |
| 16:55.24 | jim | !stupid bot tricks is also /join #debian-bots and play there |
| 16:55.24 | dpkg | okay, jim |
| 16:55.33 | _deathz0r_ | if you notice i used the _ cuz there is another deathz0r on the net |
| 16:55.37 | paulswm | Good one jim |
| 16:55.49 | _deathz0r_ | so i guess its pretty lame |
| 16:55.52 | jim | paulswm: credit due asg. |
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| 16:56.23 | benjamindees | !nickometer kbP2CxlC |
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| 16:57.04 | liable | asg: jim paulswm bah :) |
| 16:57.13 | keithr | jim: looks like ultraVNV is windows only fyi |
| 16:57.27 | jim | keithr: right, so I noticed |
| 16:57.31 | chealer | asg: I thought nobody maintained blootbot anymore |
| 16:57.35 | paulswm | keithr: no shit, I told you that a while back |
| 16:57.42 | paulswm | *digh |
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| 16:57.49 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 16:57.50 | asg | chealer: afaik, don is maintaining the code, at least as fork specifically for dpkg. |
| 16:58.01 | keithr | paulswm: sorry -- missed it |
| 16:58.01 | jim | chealer: iirc, blootbot is a sf.net project |
| 16:58.04 | keithr | thanks all |
| 16:58.05 | chealer | asg: ah, I didn't know it was forked |
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| 16:58.16 | paulswm | keithr: np, I abused you for a while :) |
| 16:58.19 | jim | bloot is a fork of infobot |
| 16:58.21 | Mr^Cyder | and the conclusion is.. |
| 16:58.30 | chealer | jim: it is...no news since 2003 though http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:58.32 | asg | chealer: well, maybe fork is a little too strong of a word in this case. |
| 16:58.32 | estel | which automounters are available for debian? |
| 16:58.40 | jim | Mr^Cyder: ..something you say at the end |
| 16:58.48 | asg | estel: autofs |
| 16:58.51 | Mr^Cyder | slackware:( |
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| 16:59.01 | asg | Mr^Cyder: haven't used it since '96 |
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| 16:59.20 | Mr^Cyder | debian is to .. "different" for me.. |
| 16:59.28 | Mr^Cyder | dunno.. i need a debian guru:) |
| 16:59.35 | estel | asg: is there an automounter that mounts a cd when inserted and umounts it when the user pushes the eject button? |
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| 16:59.45 | chealer | Mr^Cyder: you need a manual, more likely |
| 16:59.48 | jim | Mr^Cyder: debian is a very different way of putting together a system... |
| 16:59.57 | chealer | !chealer is also a nickometer abuser |
| 16:59.57 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 16:59.57 | paulswm | Mr^Cyder: or just read the docs, if that's too hard, stick with slackware |
| 16:59.59 | jim | compared to slackware |
| 17:00.01 | asg | estel: you probably want supermount then but that will take some work |
| 17:00.24 | estel | asg: is there a manual available? i haven't found the package yet ;-) |
| 17:00.26 | Mr^Cyder | jim: you are right |
| 17:00.29 | jim | Mr^Cyder: it's absolutely up to you what you choose to run |
| 17:00.30 | benjamindees | estel, you can accomplish that mostly with automount; set the delay to 1 second and it will umount when the app using it closes |
| 17:00.46 | paulswm | Mr^Cyder: but I understand how it feels |
| 17:00.47 | asg | estel: you have to use the source |
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| 17:01.32 | paulswm | !prize asg |
| 17:01.36 | asg | oooooh |
| 17:01.41 | schneiderj | Hello, I have also a problem with my wireless card, I found it when I execute the command lscpi, how can I use it to connect my pc |
| 17:01.45 | FlimFlamMan | man i wish i could reorder the buttons in the window list in the gnome panel... |
| 17:02.05 | benjamindees | !tell FlimFlamMan about kde |
| 17:02.11 | jim | Mr^Cyder: slackware doesn't try to move anything from the default locations to do things like conform to standards |
| 17:02.17 | FlimFlamMan | hehe |
| 17:02.44 | FlimFlamMan | kde just rubs me the wrong way |
| 17:02.47 | benjamindees | FlimFlamMan, you said "I'd like to customize Gnome" one too many times |
| 17:02.51 | pipeline | OpenBSD? Yeeech |
| 17:02.52 | paulswm | schneiderj: google for your card |
| 17:02.59 | chealer | paulswm: I heard Debian was only 99.9% FHS-compliant :) |
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| 17:03.16 | paulswm | chealer: Heh |
| 17:03.17 | schneiderj | yes I do |
| 17:03.17 | pipeline | chealer: Yeah, no /etc/redhat_version ;) |
| 17:03.18 | Eclipser | fhs? |
| 17:03.27 | FlimFlamMan | benjamindees, i suppose i have, actually |
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| 17:03.32 | jim | Mr^Cyder, debian tries hard to adhere to particular standards, that is certainly one difference |
| 17:03.33 | schneiderj | but I don't no whatXserver I have |
| 17:03.45 | chealer | pipeline: heh...you mean redhat controls it? |
| 17:03.47 | pipeline | schneiderj: If you're using Debian Sarge, you have XFree86 4.3-dfsg |
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| 17:03.57 | schneiderj | thank |
| 17:03.58 | pipeline | chealer: Say it ain't so! |
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| 17:04.05 | benjamindees | is there a win4lin kernel patch package? |
| 17:04.20 | Mr^Cyder | jim: you are right.. but.. oke.. i'll try 2 learn how to use debian.. for a .. week :) |
| 17:04.24 | schneiderj | so I download the driver from netgear |
| 17:04.33 | schneiderj | and then ? |
| 17:04.36 | chealer | pipeline: what does that expression mean exactly? |
| 17:04.49 | _deathz0r_ | Mr^Cyder learn apt-get well |
| 17:04.56 | d03boy | apt-get is my new friend |
| 17:05.03 | _deathz0r_ | once you have it, youre pretty much in love |
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| 17:05.11 | Mr^Cyder | i used aptitude and .. i downloaded 4 kinds of kernels: ) |
| 17:05.11 | DwyaneWade | how can i access the log for the graphic card ? |
| 17:05.12 | jim | the other thing that many slackware users are not used to, is the fact that debian has a packaging system and it's considered important |
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| 17:05.14 | Mr^Cyder | weird :) |
| 17:05.21 | DwyaneWade | i mean where is the "log" folder? |
| 17:05.24 | zumbi | ~tell mireles27 about livux |
| 17:05.34 | zumbi | !tell mireles27 about livux |
| 17:05.38 | pipeline | chealer: reference to a dramatization of the scandal that ended a baseball player's career in the 40s |
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| 17:05.49 | defsy | DwyaneWade: /var/log/XFree86* ? |
| 17:05.56 | DwyaneWade | yes |
| 17:05.57 | DwyaneWade | thanks |
| 17:06.00 | ILF | netinst rc3 didn't recognize my d-link dge-530t nic. doesn't show up with ipconfig. i know i got it to run last time, but forgot how. anyone know? |
| 17:06.00 | pipeline | chealer: a kid reputedly said "Say it ain't so, Joe, say it ain't so!" "It is so, kid, it is so." |
| 17:06.01 | paulswm | schneiderj: google for your wireless card, find some instructions, there's bound to be something out there. If the card isn't natively supported, you'll need the Windows driver and ndiswrapper |
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| 17:06.19 | pipeline | chealer: People mock the kid when they don't want something to be true, but everyone involved knows that this is the case |
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| 17:06.48 | chealer | pipeline: ok, I think I understand |
| 17:07.11 | benjamindees | I understand too, mocking children is fun |
| 17:07.34 | pipeline | chealer: Heh, actually, looking it up on google, the scandal was from 1919 |
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| 17:07.37 | jim | Mr^Cyder: it has to be your decision as to whether you want to use debian. choosing a particular dist has implications and consequences |
| 17:07.58 | ILF | netinst rc3 didn't recognize my d-link dge-530t nic. doesn't show up with ipconfig. i know i got it to run last time, but forgot how. anyone know? |
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| 17:08.12 | chealer | pipeline: hehe, my sports-allocated RAM is already pretty full :) |
| 17:08.21 | DwyaneWade | you why kate returns the following error? QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used |
| 17:08.28 | pipeline | chealer: I have an interest in etymology, not sports :P |
| 17:08.29 | simonrvn | ignore it |
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| 17:08.32 | FieldySnuts | "you why" ? |
| 17:08.45 | simonrvn | DwyaneWade: it's a warning not an error |
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| 17:08.59 | Mr^Cyder | jim: that;s true .. security :) |
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| 17:09.19 | Mr^Cyder | swaret - slack , apt-get - debian |
| 17:09.48 | FieldySnuts | i don't think that's a reasonable comparison - swaret is not official for slack |
| 17:09.52 | simonrvn | ...miserably |
| 17:09.53 | DwyaneWade | yes indeed but how come no GUI used? doesn't Gnome have a GUI? |
| 17:10.12 | FieldySnuts | i started on slackware. but it's lack of official package management that's worth a shit is rediculous, may as well run lfs |
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| 17:10.39 | defsy | DwyaneWade: I'd guess it spits that out before the GUI-window is created... but don't count on me ;) |
| 17:10.41 | chealer | lfs rules :) |
| 17:10.51 | simonrvn | defsy: you get the door prize |
| 17:10.55 | jim | DwyaneWade: gnome defines communication between apps, you can use any WM (one of many things that define what the user interface is) you want |
| 17:11.11 | chealer | FieldySnuts: the wikipedia article seems to say LFS is good :) |
| 17:11.40 | jim | gnome has a user interface element called a gnome panel |
| 17:11.44 | defsy | simonrvn: what's the door price? |
| 17:11.54 | jim | defsy: a door! |
| 17:12.02 | simonrvn | a green slimey glob of goo |
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| 17:12.25 | defsy | ahh, I always wanted to replace that Window ;) |
| 17:12.28 | simonrvn | oh no, sorry, it's purple |
| 17:12.31 | m4lu6 | ughg. |
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| 17:13.07 | paulswm | lfs is actually a really good idea for some uses of Linux of course |
| 17:13.44 | chealer | yeah...some uses |
| 17:13.53 | paulswm | Like one I have in mind |
| 17:13.58 | jim | Mr^Cyder: another thing about debian is its maintainers... they are the ones that create debian packages and try to make them fit |
| 17:14.08 | chealer | slackware beats LFS! |
| 17:14.28 | FieldySnuts | @start a distro war |
| 17:14.28 | ravenbird | Gentoo r0x0z! |
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| 17:14.36 | simonrvn | ..to a bloody pulp. hey're not on friendly terms :P |
| 17:14.40 | simonrvn | t |
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| 17:15.10 | Rambo3 | usless trolling |
| 17:15.20 | jim | Mr^Cyder: so when you install debian (or debian packages, after you install debian) you're trusting the maints of those packages |
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| 17:16.11 | jim | just checking... |
| 17:16.47 | simonrvn | yeh, i'm thinking it hasn't been triggered yet |
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| 17:17.22 | jim | I'm gonna do it again |
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| 17:17.41 | ILF | installed netinst rc3 (2.8.6-2). d-link dge-530t nic doesn't show up at ipconfig. driver is sk98lin. how do i make it run? |
| 17:17.52 | jim | nope, no onjoins |
| 17:18.03 | simonrvn | neither respond to ctcp version |
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| 17:18.09 | jim | ILF: what's ipconfig? |
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| 17:18.36 | ILF | jim: ifconfig, sorry (thinking win) |
| 17:18.51 | fusQuanto | i want to format a partitoin... how do i do that? whats the commadn for ext3 new FS |
| 17:19.01 | jim | if you think win, you might lose! :) |
| 17:19.04 | Chris`` | hey how can i find a list of user accounts ?¿ |
| 17:19.08 | jim | try ifconfig -a |
| 17:19.13 | simonrvn | getent passwd |
| 17:19.21 | Chris`` | ur gr8 cheers |
| 17:19.46 | ILF | jim: not in there, that'sthe problem |
| 17:19.47 | jim | !u |
| 17:19.47 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 17:21.49 | Eliteforce | hi |
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| 17:22.11 | d0s4gw | can eclipse be installed in using apt? |
| 17:22.27 | d0s4gw | can eclipse be installed using apt? |
| 17:22.30 | chealer | unlikely |
| 17:22.49 | chealer | at least not in debian |
| 17:22.52 | d0s4gw | can it be installed in any way other than just unzipping it to a local dir? |
| 17:22.56 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: mkfs.filesystem /dev/drivepartition is the generic command |
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| 17:23.25 | jim | what's eclipse |
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| 17:23.29 | chealer | d0s4gw: try eclipse-sdk |
| 17:23.32 | d0s4gw | java ide |
| 17:23.37 | d0s4gw | in apt? |
| 17:23.46 | chealer | d0s4gw: it's in non-free or contrib |
| 17:23.54 | chealer | in contrib |
| 17:23.55 | jim | how does it compare to forte/netbeans? |
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| 17:24.20 | chealer | d0s4gw: you need unstable sources too |
| 17:24.24 | chealer | !eclipse |
| 17:24.24 | dpkg | i guess eclipse is the end of the world |
| 17:24.43 | d0s4gw | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 17:24.45 | d0s4gw | is that right? |
| 17:25.00 | chealer | d0s4gw: that's sarge, you need sid sources |
| 17:25.19 | d0s4gw | hmm, maybe a local install isnt that bad |
| 17:26.37 | d0s4gw | jim: eclipse is miles better than netbeans |
| 17:26.38 | jim | d0s4gw: no, it's not bad... but make sure to put it in a place where official debian packages aren't supposed to touch, like /usr/local |
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| 17:27.15 | d0s4gw | so i would guess that /home/dos4gw/eclipse/ is a bad choice |
| 17:27.46 | resiak | What the hell _was_ DOS4GW anyway? |
| 17:27.48 | jim | d0s4gw: is it fast? or at least, is it fast enough to avoid full-minute delays from clicking on some checkbox or pulldown menu? |
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| 17:28.09 | d0s4gw | yea, its pretty sweet. its what ibm uses in websphere |
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| 17:28.19 | jim | d0s4gw: that's an ok place, debian packages aren't supposed to touch /home |
| 17:28.41 | d0s4gw | dos4gw is some extended memory thing that was used in the great classics, like doom2 and quake1 |
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| 17:28.59 | SuperSox | pastebin? |
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| 17:29.06 | Gnurdux | hey can someone help me with a respawn entry in my inittab? |
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| 17:29.12 | SuperSox | dpkg: pastebin |
| 17:29.13 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
| 17:29.34 | jim | Gnurdux: ask your questions |
| 17:29.41 | Gnurdux | ok here is the problem |
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| 17:29.47 | Gnurdux | eggdrop bots need to be run as root |
| 17:29.49 | Gnurdux | i mean |
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| 17:29.52 | Gnurdux | NOT as root |
| 17:30.00 | anymous | hi there, what does everybody think about branden being dpl? |
| 17:30.01 | Gnurdux | the entry in my inittab looks like this: |
| 17:30.02 | jim | you'll never know (nor will anyone here) until you ask |
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| 17:30.16 | Gnurdux | egg1:23:respawn:/bin/su -c "/usr/bin/eggdrop /etc/eggdrop/eggdrop.conf" eggdrop &> /dev/null |
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| 17:30.35 | Gnurdux | the problem is that the su somehow makes it respawn inifintely |
| 17:30.41 | Starfury^ | system is running on a athlon xp atm, with i believe a k7 kernel i want to move it onto a Athlon Thunderbird... whats the best way |
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| 17:30.48 | easyease | hi all is there any net radio players for debian? |
| 17:30.52 | Gnurdux | and therefore stop respawning sicne its respawning too fast |
| 17:31.08 | jim | Gnurdux: is the bot dying? |
| 17:31.12 | Gnurdux | nah |
| 17:31.15 | anymous | gnurdux: why doing su? init runs as root, don't it? |
| 17:31.16 | Gnurdux | the problem is |
| 17:31.21 | streuner_ | easyease: xmms |
| 17:31.24 | jim | maybe you should try daemontools |
| 17:31.26 | Gnurdux | no im suing OUT of root |
| 17:31.31 | Gnurdux | eggdrop wont run as root |
| 17:31.40 | SuperSox | I'm getting the following error http://pastebin.ca/9673 when I try to use pppd, as far as I know everything is setup correctly, any suggestions on what is wrong? |
| 17:31.44 | Gnurdux | and daemontools doesnt work because of the su |
| 17:31.46 | jim | maybe the su process exits |
| 17:31.49 | anymous | gnurdux: ah didn't see the final eggdrop... |
| 17:31.49 | easyease | thanks streuner |
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| 17:32.01 | resiak | Gnurdux: Why not put it into your own cronjob? Or eggdrop's cronjob? |
| 17:32.11 | paulswm | Starfury^: You are changing the CPU or setting up on another box? |
| 17:32.12 | anymous | gnurdux, maybe put the &> /dev/null inside the quotes |
| 17:32.14 | Gnurdux | resiak: i want it to respawn |
| 17:32.20 | d0s4gw | how do you extract a .tar.gz from a console? |
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| 17:32.24 | Gnurdux | anymous nbo that isnt the prob |
| 17:32.29 | jim | d0s4gw: man tar |
| 17:32.36 | Gnurdux | i have a pastebot entry right under taht |
| 17:32.39 | resiak | Gnurdux: Sure, so have a cronjob running every 5 minutes checking it's alive. That way you'd avoid su nastiness. |
| 17:32.44 | Gnurdux | and it also has an &> |
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| 17:32.50 | Gnurdux | hmmm |
| 17:32.53 | d0s4gw | tar -xvvzf foo.tar.gz ? |
| 17:32.54 | ILF | is there a way to see if the module sk98lin is already in the kernel? there's the dir /sys/module/sk98lin... |
| 17:32.57 | Gnurdux | i want to get this to work |
| 17:33.02 | resiak | Gnurdux: &> as in the csh equiv of 2> ? |
| 17:33.18 | chealer | !tell d0s4gw about tar |
| 17:33.24 | jim | d0s4gw: try it and see (why two vs?) |
| 17:33.26 | Gnurdux | no |
| 17:33.29 | Gnurdux | it is bash |
| 17:33.30 | griddl | hi. i installed debian sarge. before I did run windows. if I type 'cfdisk /dev/hda' it shows the primary partition as NTFS drive, though I installed debian on reiser fs. anyone any suggestions |
| 17:33.34 | Gnurdux | but it works |
| 17:33.37 | resiak | Gnurdux: What does &> mean? |
| 17:33.38 | d0s4gw | thats what was in the man page |
| 17:33.43 | Gnurdux | it means |
| 17:33.46 | Gnurdux | run in background |
| 17:33.55 | Gnurdux | and send all output to whatever |
| 17:33.55 | resiak | Gnurdux: You sure that it parses okay? *tries it* |
| 17:33.59 | Gnurdux | yeh |
| 17:34.04 | anymous | Gnurdux, no, it meanas stderr and stdout to /dev/null |
| 17:34.07 | SuperSox | griddl: I'm not sure, but I imagine that /dev/hda is where windows is installed |
| 17:34.10 | Gnurdux | yeh |
| 17:34.17 | SuperSox | griddl: unless of course you removed windows entirely |
| 17:34.21 | Gnurdux | it works for pastebot |
| 17:34.25 | Gnurdux | so taht isnt the prob |
| 17:34.27 | resiak | Gnurdux: Doesn't work. |
| 17:34.28 | Gnurdux | its the su |
| 17:34.30 | griddl | Supaplex, i removed it entiry. i only have one hd in my computer |
| 17:34.32 | Gnurdux | whatever |
| 17:34.35 | Gnurdux | not run in background |
| 17:34.43 | Gnurdux | just redirect EVERYTHing to /dev/null |
| 17:34.50 | Gnurdux | cause just > didnt do everything |
| 17:34.51 | SuperSox | griddl: humm, you may have left the partition there though. |
| 17:34.54 | Gnurdux | it works for this: |
| 17:34.58 | SuperSox | griddl: sorry I can't help more :\ |
| 17:35.00 | griddl | Supaplex, besides... may I be able to shrink the actual /dev/hda1 from 15 to 14 gigabytes and make the freed gigabyte the swap paritition without losing data |
| 17:35.09 | Gnurdux | pst1:23:respawn:/usr/local/bin/pastebot &> /dev/null |
| 17:35.10 | ILF | how do i see if the module sk98lin is already in the kernel? there's the dir /sys/module/sk98lin... |
| 17:35.17 | gpm | griddl: you can do that. |
| 17:35.20 | Gnurdux | see im runnign two bots |
| 17:35.25 | jim | griddl: reiser? that might not be the best choice... but other than that, maybe the partition type is set from when windows fdisk set it |
| 17:35.26 | ILF | modprobe sk98lin has no output |
| 17:35.36 | Gnurdux | so its a prob wit hteh su |
| 17:35.38 | griddl | gpm, great thx. i forgot to create a swap partition |
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| 17:35.56 | resiak | Gnurdux: My bad, I can't type at a shell. |
| 17:35.57 | gpm | griddl: yeah, just use resize.reiserfs or whatever fs you're running |
| 17:36.04 | gpm | griddl: you can't have the drive mounted though |
| 17:36.08 | Gnurdux | basically i think the su is being replaced by an eggdrop |
| 17:36.10 | anymous | Gnurdux: write a script and put THAT in inittab. |
| 17:36.12 | jim | Gnurdux: do these bots allow some sort of telnet? |
| 17:36.14 | gpm | griddl: so you'll probably want to be running a livecd of some sort |
| 17:36.18 | griddl | jim, why may reiser not be the best choice? i read that over 80 per cent of all the files of an os are smaller than 2kb, and reiser is known to be good with a lot of small files |
| 17:36.28 | Gnurdux | anymous: ive trie |
| 17:36.29 | Gnurdux | d |
| 17:36.41 | griddl | gpm, knoppix should do it? |
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| 17:36.52 | gpm | griddl: knoppix has the tools yes |
| 17:36.53 | Gnurdux | i could try a sudo tho |
| 17:36.59 | jim | griddl: that's probably true... but lately there have been reports of total loss of reiser partitions after a long time |
| 17:37.04 | anymous | Gnurdux: what's it give? |
| 17:37.14 | Gnurdux | oh whatever |
| 17:37.17 | Gnurdux | let me try sudo |
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| 17:37.24 | SuperSox | has anyone had a look at my pppd question? I'm rather baffled by it |
| 17:37.26 | griddl | jim, backups are my friends ;) |
| 17:38.00 | jim | you might look into xfs or (more stable) ext3 |
| 17:38.24 | d0s4gw | ok, some people were talking about this a while ago and i meant to ask... is Cedega any good? |
| 17:38.52 | aardvark | SuperSox: didn't i tell you about noauth 2 weeks ago? |
| 17:38.57 | SuperSox | ah solved the error |
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| 17:39.11 | paulswm | ext3 is the dog's bollocks, it survived three hurricane power-outs last year without losing or mangling a single bit |
| 17:39.12 | SuperSox | aardvark: hardly, I only just got the card that I'm playing with yesterday ;) |
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| 17:39.53 | jak_ | hello. any expieriences with a "vivanco" pcmcia wlan card? drivers? THX |
| 17:40.10 | SuperSox | aardvark: although, you were correct, using noauth is what solved it :) |
| 17:40.12 | resiak | d0s4gw: Yes, it is any good. |
| 17:40.18 | d0s4gw | ha |
| 17:40.32 | d0s4gw | ok, i'll check it out |
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| 17:40.39 | ILF | am i asking the wrong questions or is everyone busy? i desperately need t get my nic running, therwise i'd have to go back to win (this pc is gateway for my lan) and i think we al don't want that :) |
| 17:40.40 | Gnurdux | but i have an idea |
| 17:40.40 | jim | jak_: /msg dpkg ask to ask /msg dpkg sicco |
| 17:40.45 | resiak | d0s4gw: google cvscedega because cedega is not free as in beer. |
| 17:40.54 | Gnurdux | give eggdrop to the eggdrop user |
| 17:41.00 | Gnurdux | and give it suid! |
| 17:41.01 | resiak | ILF: What kernel are you using? |
| 17:41.06 | ILF | 2.8.8-2 |
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| 17:41.11 | ILF | 2.6.8-2 |
| 17:41.37 | resiak | ILF: *shrug* I heard of problems with the sk98lin module in later versions, is all. |
| 17:41.38 | jim | ILF: that's what uname -r reports exactly? |
| 17:41.49 | myren | whats teh abreviation for additional? |
| 17:41.52 | resiak | ILF: lsmod | grep sk98lin |
| 17:41.52 | ILF | jim: 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 17:41.56 | jak_ | does anybody know if there is a driver for a "vivanco" wlan pcmcia card? |
| 17:42.07 | ILF | resiak: sk98lin 143144 0 |
| 17:42.12 | resiak | ILF: Then it is loaded. |
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| 17:42.20 | resiak | ILF: So what are the symptoms? |
| 17:42.21 | ILF | looking god, but my nic's not on ifconfig |
| 17:42.37 | resiak | ILF: Odd. |
| 17:42.39 | jim | ILF: ifconfig -a, and look among that |
| 17:42.44 | anymous | ILF: modprobe sksk98lin does not have to give any output, what does ifconfig -a give |
| 17:42.46 | ILF | jim: not on there |
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| 17:43.01 | ILF | o_O now it's there! |
| 17:43.02 | anymous | and "dmesg" |
| 17:43.05 | jim | are you sure you're using -a? |
| 17:43.11 | [Elad] | hello all |
| 17:43.14 | [Elad] | :) |
| 17:43.16 | jim | hi |
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| 17:43.48 | jim | ILF: so the interface exists but is down |
| 17:43.52 | resiak | One day, all ~700 people will reply "Hi, fooperson!!!oneoneone" and our IRC clients shall bleed. |
| 17:43.55 | [Elad] | how the X development package in debian call please? |
| 17:43.59 | resiak | !faq [Elad] |
| 17:44.00 | dpkg | [Elad]: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:44.11 | ILF | jim: "eth1 up" or how do i get it running? |
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| 17:44.26 | jim | [Elad]: you could try xlibs-dev |
| 17:44.47 | [Elad] | 10x |
| 17:44.56 | paulswm | resiak: good one, that would be worth seeing |
| 17:44.56 | jim | ILF: you have to decide what address it will have, and that kinda stuff |
| 17:45.01 | anymous | ILF: what? edit /etc/network/interfaces, put sk86lin to /etc/modules |
| 17:45.09 | resiak | paulswm: I would laugh _so_ hard. |
| 17:45.17 | chrisk | Hi, I'm trying to print multiple pages from an pdf on one sheet. But both, kpdf and xpdf print the pages in the wrong order on the sheet. They start with page 4 and not 1. Has anyone an idea, why? |
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| 17:45.36 | resiak | chrisk: You've ticked the "print things backwards" box? |
| 17:45.37 | jim | yeah, blood coming from my irc client would be kinda amusing... |
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| 17:45.54 | wtf | Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20262 (FastTrak66/Ultra66) |
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| 17:46.01 | wtf | Why my linux doesn't support |
| 17:46.01 | chealer | resiak: you laugh, but I've seen lilo welcome me for entering #debian |
| 17:46.04 | wtf | this ide controler ? |
| 17:46.16 | wtf | i have installed discover, but the HDD doesnt works |
| 17:46.26 | chrisk | resiak: No, that's not ticked. |
| 17:46.31 | resiak | chrisk: *shrug* |
| 17:46.45 | resiak | chealer: That's not all 700 people :) |
| 17:46.59 | chrisk | resiak: Well, that's exactly what my thought currently is. |
| 17:47.03 | jim | wtf: more details... does lspci see it? |
| 17:47.14 | chealer | resiak: well, that's greeting a noname among them anyway. and I didn't say hi |
| 17:47.27 | resiak | chealer: Maybe lilo mistook you for someone else? :p |
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| 17:47.56 | chealer | resiak: no, he was greeting everyone. that was before I had my freenode supporter cloak :) |
| 17:48.02 | chrisk | Is it somehow possible that the pdf contains some information about how to print the pages, i.e. order? I've tried printing from windows and never got the right order. |
| 17:48.14 | resiak | chealer: Did he follow the greeting up with "chealer: Why not donate?"? |
| 17:48.25 | chealer | resiak: not even :) |
| 17:48.29 | Schiz0 | hey, i'm having a problem accessing a harddrive, i can see everything as root, but as a user i can't enter the dir, the ownership is as the user, and the permissions are correct :-\ |
| 17:48.48 | omfg | my ide controll0r si teh b0rked... |
| 17:49.03 | paulswm | shit, I just typed rm when I meant mv |
| 17:49.07 | jim | omfg: omfg! |
| 17:49.11 | wtf | jim, nop |
| 17:49.13 | omfg | wtf: omfg! |
| 17:49.27 | wtf | but discover install the modules |
| 17:49.45 | jim | so what does dmesg show? |
| 17:49.52 | anymous | Schiz0: it's mounted? where? |
| 17:50.02 | Schiz0 | /mnt |
| 17:50.07 | [Elad] | configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 17:50.17 | anymous | Schiz0: paste "ls -ld /mnt" |
| 17:50.20 | resiak | !faq [Elad] |
| 17:50.21 | dpkg | [Elad]: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:50.29 | resiak | [Elad]: You're doing make xconfig, aren't you? |
| 17:50.36 | wtf | jim; nothing about this controler ;> |
| 17:50.37 | wtf | only PIIX4: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:07.1 |
| 17:50.44 | Schiz0 | drwxr-xr-x 4 steve steve 4096 2005-04-11 17:43 /mnt |
| 17:50.49 | omfg | wtf: lsmod | grep piix |
| 17:50.55 | [Elad] | resiak, I'm trying to compile icq-sim from svc |
| 17:50.59 | jim | wtf: sounds like the controller on the motherboard |
| 17:50.59 | anymous | Schiz0: what do you get when doint "cd /mnt" as steve? |
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| 17:51.08 | wtf | jim yes |
| 17:51.08 | enyc | piix4, intel south bridge etc. |
| 17:51.12 | anymous | s/doint/doing/ |
| 17:51.16 | resiak | [Elad]: Well, apt-cache search qt3 -dev | less might help |
| 17:51.18 | wtf | the controlar is on the motherboard |
| 17:51.18 | enyc | thats quite normal |
| 17:51.27 | resiak | [Elad]: Then installing the appropriate packages. |
| 17:51.28 | jim | wtf: is that the one you want? |
| 17:51.30 | Schiz0 | it works fine, but the two hdds that are mounted there (hdc and hdb) i don't have permission to enter |
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| 17:51.43 | enyc | though, all my stuff is attached to a SCSI controller instead and i'm not using the ata-ide at all |
| 17:52.08 | Raul2084 | holas |
| 17:52.11 | anymous | so "cd" works? |
| 17:52.18 | Raul2084 | alguien habla español ?? |
| 17:52.20 | resiak | !es |
| 17:52.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:52.30 | Schiz0 | cd /mnt works, but cd /mnt/hdc doesn't. |
| 17:52.49 | anymous | Schiz0: what does "ls -ld /mnt/hdc" give? |
| 17:52.50 | jim | Schiz0: what message do you get? |
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| 17:53.02 | wtf | jim: i have a disk (ata66) on this controler, but i can't see the disk in linux |
| 17:53.10 | wtf | (bios detect it correctly) |
| 17:53.13 | Schiz0 | anymous- drw-r--r-- 3 steve steve 4096 2005-04-11 18:40 /mnt/hdc |
| 17:53.17 | chrisk | bye |
| 17:53.25 | Schiz0 | jim- bash: cd: /mnt/hdc: Permission denied |
| 17:53.25 | jim | wtf: does dmesg show the drive? |
| 17:53.26 | Supaplex | wtf: nice handle. :-p |
| 17:53.36 | anymous | Schiz= the eXectue bit is missing, needed for that. |
| 17:53.37 | resiak | Supaplex: I guess you missed me /joining as omfg |
| 17:53.43 | wtf | jim: nop |
| 17:54.02 | anymous | Schiz0: do "chmod +x /mnt/hdc" as root |
| 17:54.11 | Supaplex | resiak: efnet has #wtf, which I hang out in. :) |
| 17:54.20 | resiak | Supaplex: WTF happens in there? |
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| 17:54.48 | Schiz0 | works |
| 17:54.53 | anymous | Schiz0: yes. |
| 17:54.54 | Schiz0 | thanks anymous |
| 17:54.55 | wtf | jim: any ideas ? |
| 17:55.00 | anymous | Schiz0: anytime. |
| 17:55.16 | jim | wtf: is the drive the only drive on that cable? |
| 17:55.31 | wtf | jp |
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| 17:55.43 | wtf | this is the only drive on this ata66 controler |
| 17:56.08 | jim | ok, what is the drive jumpered for? |
| 17:56.14 | Schiz0 | anymous- chmod -R +x /mnt -would work correct? |
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| 17:56.23 | jim | Schiz0: nonono |
| 17:56.36 | anymous | Schiz0: that would be too much. |
| 17:56.46 | wtf | jim: master |
| 17:56.46 | Schiz0 | i can't ls /mnt/hdc/music now lol |
| 17:56.47 | Supaplex | resiak: join and find out :) |
| 17:56.50 | Schiz0 | or cd int oit |
| 17:57.01 | jim | then just do music |
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| 17:57.16 | Schiz0 | there are hundrids of dirs under /mnt/music |
| 17:57.19 | Schiz0 | i gotta do it for all of them? |
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| 17:57.34 | simonrvn | find -type d | xargs chmod +x |
| 17:57.40 | anymous | Schiz0: well, you CAN do "-R" |
| 17:57.53 | Schiz0 | but then it would make all the files executeable? |
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| 17:57.56 | simonrvn | or, find -type d -rpint0 | xargs -0 chmod +x |
| 17:57.59 | anymous | simonrvn: or better "find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod +x" |
| 17:57.59 | jim | yes. |
| 17:58.01 | simonrvn | print* |
| 17:58.03 | Schiz0 | blah. |
| 17:58.07 | wtf | jim? |
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| 17:58.28 | simonrvn | . is redundant |
| 17:58.35 | griddl | anyone knows what I need to get the usb mouse working?`i have usb hid support integrated |
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| 17:59.01 | anymous | simonrvn: ok, replace . with /mnt/hdc |
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| 17:59.17 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 17:59.28 | jim | simonrvn: no, if you use that feature then you won't be portable to all finds... and btw, that has -never- worked for me |
| 17:59.37 | simonrvn | ah, ok |
| 17:59.43 | simonrvn | point taken |
| 17:59.47 | anymous | what feature? |
| 17:59.57 | simonrvn | the fact that gnu find doesn't need . |
| 18:00.13 | anymous | well, on debian there is only gnu find, isn't it? |
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| 18:00.31 | simonrvn | yes. but jim was making the point that that isn't portable |
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| 18:00.35 | jim | I've used gnu find for a long long time, and the dir has to be there... maybe this is just older ones? |
| 18:00.36 | wtf | jick: any ideas ? |
| 18:00.46 | anymous | weeelll, this is #debian, no? |
| 18:01.01 | jim | wtf: not sure |
| 18:01.07 | griddl | can I somehow see, which mouse driver is used at the moment |
| 18:01.07 | simonrvn | jim: yeh, older ones |
| 18:01.09 | griddl | ? |
| 18:01.26 | valdyn | !usbmouse |
| 18:01.26 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 18:01.27 | pipeline | griddl: Did you load the mousedev module? |
| 18:01.28 | simonrvn | not since woody's aiui |
| 18:01.37 | jim | anymous: you won't be portable to older versions of gnu find |
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| 18:01.52 | jim | and such version is in woody and possibly sarge |
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| 18:02.18 | anymous | jim: aha, well i'm used to put the dir there anyways... |
| 18:02.21 | griddl | pipeline, hm. well the usb mouse is working with debian standard kernel but not with the one I compiled by myself |
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| 18:02.27 | jim | anymous: meetoo |
| 18:02.35 | pipeline | griddl: I suggest you use the standard kernel. |
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| 18:03.17 | jim | wtf: is there a setting for the drive that makes it be the only drive (which would have it addressed as "master" btw)? |
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| 18:03.24 | griddl | pipeline, but I want to create my own to compile the nvidia drivers in it. i think it's easier to do it with a self-compiled |
| 18:03.30 | [Elad] | configure: error: Executable xslt-config not found! |
| 18:03.37 | ILF | k, i got eth0 (127.0.0.1, for pppoe) and eth1 (192.168.0.1) up and running, but can't ping 192.168.0.4 |
| 18:03.42 | caphuso | [Elad]: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:03.46 | jim | [Elad]: xslt-dev maybe |
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| 18:03.52 | D0C_ | Hi All |
| 18:03.55 | [Elad] | 10x |
| 18:04.00 | jak_ | [Elad]: did you try to use make menuconfig? |
| 18:04.07 | simonrvn | ten times what? |
| 18:04.16 | jim | simonrvn" .1 |
| 18:04.18 | [Elad] | without run ./configure first? |
| 18:04.20 | D0C_ | anyone have any luck with the via sound in a shuttle sn25p yet ? |
| 18:04.22 | simonrvn | ah |
| 18:04.24 | jak_ | ILF: put the cable in :) |
| 18:04.31 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 18:04.35 | ILF | jak_: ... |
| 18:04.37 | jim | [Elad]: kernel config doesn't work that way |
| 18:04.38 | anymous | ILF: i can't ping it either ... :-) |
| 18:04.56 | ILF | ping gives me "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" |
| 18:05.11 | ILF | the .0.4 can't ping me either |
| 18:05.14 | jim | what are you pinging |
| 18:05.18 | ILF | my win-box |
| 18:05.19 | simonrvn | you're blocking pings... |
| 18:05.22 | jim | address? |
| 18:05.27 | valdyn | ILF: why is 127.0.0.1 on eth0? |
| 18:05.34 | jak_ | ILF: does iptables -L show up something? |
| 18:05.39 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 18:05.42 | ILF | valdyn: that nic is only for pppoe |
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| 18:06.11 | ILF | jak_: #flood |
| 18:06.13 | jim | ILF: valdyn's question still stands |
| 18:06.23 | jim | (or should that is :) |
| 18:06.27 | ILF | valdyn: that nic is only for pppoe |
| 18:06.33 | ILF | what should i set it to? |
| 18:06.38 | jim | so? why 127.0.0.1? |
| 18:06.48 | jak_ | ILF: do you have a firewall? |
| 18:07.01 | simonrvn | because s/he has no clue? ;) |
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| 18:07.35 | valdyn | ILF: 127.x.x.x is your loopback device |
| 18:07.58 | ILF | jim: dunno, that#s what came to my mind |
| 18:08.01 | ILF | anything but 192.168.0.* |
| 18:08.03 | ILF | eth0 is working though |
| 18:08.06 | ILF | jak_: no. ipmasq and dnsmasq |
| 18:08.08 | ILF | valdyn: which means? what else should i set it to? |
| 18:08.28 | jak_ | ILF: try iptables -F OUTPUT |
| 18:08.32 | jim | it shouldn't matter, because once the pppoe comes up, the pppd should give the interface its address |
| 18:08.35 | valdyn | ILF: probably nothing , i dont remember these dsl modems |
| 18:08.43 | jak_ | ILF: and then try to ping again |
| 18:08.46 | valdyn | ILF: however NOT 127.x.x.x |
| 18:09.02 | jim | you can bring it up without setting the address |
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| 18:10.37 | pz_Mike_zq | well the cubs are on at 1:20 today |
| 18:10.42 | z4ch | yay! |
| 18:10.43 | jak_ | bye all |
| 18:10.43 | pz_Mike_zq | dempster is pitching |
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| 18:10.47 | cudaman73 | is that so? |
| 18:10.55 | z4ch | I'm going to get my old baseball uniform on watch it. |
| 18:10.55 | pz_Mike_zq | I'm waiting for Prior's second start |
| 18:10.58 | cudaman73 | 1:20.. what time zone? |
| 18:10.59 | valdyn | ILF: i need to see the output of "route" to give any other comment |
| 18:11.04 | pz_Mike_zq | cst |
| 18:11.08 | cudaman73 | i see |
| 18:11.11 | z4ch | that's Central? |
| 18:11.14 | cudaman73 | i'll be leaving for work then :P |
| 18:11.16 | pz_Mike_zq | no its eastern |
| 18:11.20 | cudaman73 | haha |
| 18:11.23 | z4ch | O.o so one hour ahead of Central? |
| 18:11.25 | pz_Mike_zq | lol |
| 18:11.37 | paulswm | EDT is 1411 right now |
| 18:11.40 | cudaman73 | CST is central standard time. |
| 18:11.52 | cudaman73 | -_- |
| 18:11.58 | z4ch | Ah. it's 1312 right now here |
| 18:12.07 | paulswm | However the US is on daylight savings right now |
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| 18:12.10 | cudaman73 | same here O.o |
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| 18:12.48 | saian | hola |
| 18:12.52 | z4ch | ahoy! |
| 18:12.58 | cudaman73 | konnichiwa |
| 18:13.01 | jim | wubba |
| 18:13.13 | cudaman73 | welkommen! :D |
| 18:13.24 | z4ch | you already said one. be quiet. |
| 18:13.34 | cudaman73 | you hush your mouth |
| 18:13.38 | z4ch | :D |
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| 18:14.20 | pz_Mike_zq | farts |
| 18:14.34 | z4ch | I looked that up at m-w.com and it means like to sing loudly or move around. |
| 18:14.35 | helix | ok, cut it out, all of you |
| 18:14.35 | ILF | cureless: :p |
| 18:14.51 | z4ch | <3333 |
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| 18:15.06 | helix | well, before I ban -- where are you all coming from? |
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| 18:15.12 | pz_Mike_zq | hell |
| 18:15.13 | z4ch | #justlinux :D |
| 18:15.14 | pz_Mike_zq | i'm hellspawn |
| 18:15.15 | helix | I mean, concerted troll attacks are pretty boring |
| 18:15.22 | pz_Mike_zq | boring? |
| 18:15.24 | pz_Mike_zq | i'm having fun |
| 18:15.24 | helix | yeah |
| 18:15.28 | pz_Mike_zq | but still hungry |
| 18:15.31 | helix | well, but you're not entertaining |
| 18:15.32 | pz_Mike_zq | FEED ME |
| 18:15.32 | jim | I think attack is a strong word atm |
| 18:15.36 | pz_Mike_zq | i'm entertaining myself |
| 18:15.36 | helix | we had this *great* troll in here once |
| 18:15.43 | pz_Mike_zq | thats all that matters |
| 18:15.43 | jonz | ash question: is there any way to escape special characters in a var? i'm using sed with a randomly generated password, and calling sed with & for example breaks the substitution...i need to escape any special chars |
| 18:15.45 | peer | yeah.. this is more like boredom |
| 18:15.45 | helix | who was talking about how chmod 666 bothred him |
| 18:15.57 | helix | peer: but why must you bore us too? and now I'll have to ban you all :( |
| 18:16.02 | helix | cudaman73: ^ |
| 18:16.11 | cudaman73 | you could just ignore us O.o |
| 18:16.14 | z4ch | helix: don't ban me <33 |
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| 18:16.16 | helix | nah |
| 18:16.24 | helix | it is obvious you're here to disturb |
| 18:16.29 | cudaman73 | nah |
| 18:16.30 | simonrvn | just do it |
| 18:16.30 | helix | I won't have much of a choice if you continue |
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| 18:16.47 | helix | ok, you have two more minutes :) |
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| 18:16.52 | z4ch | Sweet |
| 18:16.53 | cudaman73 | i can't idle in here? |
| 18:16.55 | cudaman73 | :/ |
| 18:17.02 | EmleyMoor | I'm trying to get my wireless network set up using wpa_supplicant - the only trouble is, it always loads too late. I want to load it before the machine tries to bring eth1 up. Any suggestions? |
| 18:17.04 | helix | you can idle |
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| 18:17.25 | cudaman73 | well |
| 18:17.35 | pidez | hi |
| 18:17.39 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: man interfaces, search for "pre-up" |
| 18:17.42 | cudaman73 | i see |
| 18:17.43 | masticore | holas |
| 18:17.48 | masticore | uO hello! |
| 18:17.48 | cudaman73 | there is indeed a #ubuntu |
| 18:17.53 | cudaman73 | nevermind, off to idle |
| 18:18.01 | EmleyMoor | OK - will give that method a try - thanks for the hint |
| 18:18.26 | EmleyMoor | (my problem with wpa_supplicant itself will be handled once I've got it working with the current security model) |
| 18:18.35 | goron | Does anyone know about a printer that is really supported under linux(including GUI etc.), can store 1000 pages in it's in and output reservoir, does not need any manual configuration(for cleaning printheads or something like that) (except for renewing cartridges), does not screw you with saying that your inkt is up, while in fact it's still halffull, is pretty fast and does not make an awfull lot of sound. Well, that's basically it. I sure hope there's a m |
| 18:19.00 | helix | goron: you got cut off: "I sure hope there's a m" |
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| 18:19.14 | goron | anufacturer that produces printer hardware |
| 18:19.17 | Wyzard | goron: Anything that can store a thousand pages in its output bin is likely to be a fairly expensive high-end printer |
| 18:19.34 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.38 | Wyzard | goron: but linuxprinting.org would be a good place to look for reviews of printers |
| 18:19.41 | goron | Wyzard: 500 would be ok also. |
| 18:20.05 | benjamindees | goron, hp 4100 comes close |
| 18:20.06 | Wyzard | goron: I'm pretty happy with my LaserJet 1300 -- not too expensive, supports PostScript, decent output, no color but I don't really need it |
| 18:20.17 | Wyzard | 4100s are good too, but they cost more |
| 18:20.22 | Gnurdux | hey im still trying to figure out what to do with my inittab |
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| 18:20.44 | valdyn | Gnurdux: why mess with it? |
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| 18:20.59 | bytecolor | anyone know of a program that streams a text document, showing only a single word at a time at a determined speed? |
| 18:21.04 | jharrison | I went to install a package but realized I had made a mistake and so I CTRL+C while aptitude was downloading but now aptitude still wants to install the packages and its dependancies |
| 18:21.13 | jharrison | anyway to make aptitude forget about this? |
| 18:21.14 | bytecolor | remember seeing it in the linux cookbook, but I cant remember the nameof it |
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| 18:21.58 | D0C_ | anyone have any luck with the VIA Envy24PT sound in a shuttle sn25p yet ? |
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| 18:24.36 | Gnurdux | valdyn im working to get my ting working |
| 18:24.38 | Gnurdux | my bot |
| 18:24.40 | akuma_ | I have found various conflicts in release dates for Debain woody, when was the last official release? Does it use 2.6 kernel branch or xorg? Or is it too old for that? |
| 18:25.00 | valdyn | !tell akuma_ about woody |
| 18:25.01 | goron | valdyn: Remember me changing my /etc/network/interfaces yesterday? Well, that doesn't work. |
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| 18:25.44 | akuma_ | That tells me when it was initally released, but what about revs? |
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| 18:25.53 | valdyn | goron: It works, you probably did something wrong |
| 18:26.00 | benjamindees | akuma_, the latest revision is 3.0r4, from January I think |
| 18:26.09 | akuma_ | 2005? |
| 18:26.09 | xzgv | hi all, i'm trying to to find out how much ram is icewm using in my box, i launched 'ps aux' read the man. Am i correct in assuming that the column RSS gives me the amount of ram the different sections that icewm uses in kb? |
| 18:26.18 | Wyzard | akuma_: The front page of debian.org says 3.0r4 was released on 01/01/2005 |
| 18:26.24 | akuma_ | My main question is about the 2.6 kernel and xorg |
| 18:26.33 | valdyn | goron: what do you want to do? fix that? |
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| 18:26.46 | benjamindees | akuma_, absolutely not, it's had only security updates for the past three years |
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| 18:27.02 | akuma_ | ouch |
| 18:27.29 | akuma_ | what about the testing release, it use 2.6 and xorg? |
| 18:27.34 | Wyzard | akuma_: That's the point of a stable release -- you can rely on things not changing :-) |
| 18:27.51 | goron | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/272136 |
| 18:27.51 | benjamindees | akuma_, 2.6 yes, xorg can be made to run on it I hear |
| 18:28.03 | caphuso | xzgv: straight from "man ps": rss RSS resident set size, the non-swapped physical memory that a task has used (in kiloBytes). (alias rssize, rsz). |
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| 18:28.09 | akuma_ | I dont mind the 'not changing', but I have newer hardware that doesnt like 2.6 |
| 18:28.12 | goron | valdyn: The stuff that's commented out is what supposed to be my static interface. |
| 18:28.24 | d0s4gw | anyone here use rhythmbox? |
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| 18:28.55 | xzgv | caphuso: thank you very much! |
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| 18:29.11 | valdyn | goron: looks good, what exactly didnt work? |
| 18:29.20 | green_earz | akuma_: the default kernel for sarge testing is 2.4 |
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| 18:30.08 | valdyn | goron: im not sure if having multiple "auto" stancas is ok, put all in one |
| 18:30.10 | jose | who |
| 18:30.19 | yang | which package replaces xview? |
| 18:30.24 | goron | valdyn: The expected outcome was that I could ping somerandomwebsite. The actual output was that it failed. |
| 18:30.33 | goron | valdyn: I am not sure what you mean., |
| 18:31.02 | goron | valdyn: Something like auto eth1,eth0? |
| 18:31.17 | akuma_ | Well I have a knoppix debian style harddrive install right now, working nearly flawlessly, however I get some nasty errors running cedega and the halflife2 installer, where as the same version worked flawlessly on my last gentoo install...I was hoping this was a knoppix setup problem and a regular debain would be better, but not with 2.4 and xorg... |
| 18:31.26 | valdyn | goron: i see several lines starting with auto: "auto lo", "auto eth1". I have no idea if that is ok, manpage and my own use "auto lo eth0 eth1" |
| 18:31.30 | yang | What is a simple JPG viewer? |
| 18:31.31 | C17H21NO4 | blijblijblij: |
| 18:31.52 | valdyn | goron: beyond that, did pinging each other of you boxes work? |
| 18:31.57 | goron | valdyn: Ok, well that's not the problem since the file you see, is the file I am using now. |
| 18:31.59 | goron | valdyn: No |
| 18:32.01 | Vince34 | Hi guys (o; can someone explain me how i can reset completely the iptables rules , and wher's this file ? |
| 18:32.02 | benjamindees | akuma_, you want 2.4 or 2.6? I'm not clear |
| 18:32.16 | goron | valdyn: Well, I tried to ping my router. |
| 18:32.20 | akuma_ | I want 2.6...err I need 2.6 for certain hardware |
| 18:32.40 | valdyn | goron: ok, paste your current "ifconfig eth1" please |
| 18:32.41 | akuma_ | I could do a config and install after the fact, but I hate migrating from 2.4 to 2.6 |
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| 18:32.59 | benjamindees | akuma_, there is a backport of 2.6 for woody at backports.org |
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| 18:33.13 | goron | valdyn: #flood, ok? |
| 18:33.19 | valdyn | goron: yea |
| 18:33.32 | llvllatrix | hey guys; has anyone here ever used sphinx? |
| 18:34.12 | akuma_ | hmm, that might be the answer then....I would just have to yank xfree and thats not to difficult.. |
| 18:34.32 | Wyzard | akuma_: Do you really *need* xorg? |
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| 18:34.53 | Wyzard | akuma_: and btw, Ubuntu is meant more as a desktop OS than Debian is |
| 18:34.55 | akuma_ | need? no. |
| 18:35.42 | goron | Wyzard: Do you know whether it's true that if you use a certain Ubuntu release, that you will only get bugfixes (unlike Debian Unstable)? |
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| 18:35.56 | akuma_ | My main point with debian is its integration with apt. I come from gentoo so I need a portage like tool, apt seems to be good for that |
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| 18:36.30 | Wyzard | goron: I don't know anything about Ubuntu's update policy... ask #ubuntu |
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| 18:36.53 | Gnurdux | hey the script didnt work |
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| 18:37.05 | Wyzard | akuma_: Ubuntu is based on Debian... it uses apt too |
| 18:37.10 | Gnurdux | i thinj the su might NOT be why it respawn |
| 18:37.40 | Gnurdux | i thiml eggdrop might respawn so fast because it runs in backgroun |
| 18:37.42 | akuma_ | I read some pretty bad reviews of Ubuntu... |
| 18:37.45 | tzafrir_laptop | Connectiva is based on Debian. It uses apt too. |
| 18:37.50 | Gnurdux | nah |
| 18:37.59 | Gnurdux | Conectiva is rpm |
| 18:37.59 | akuma_ | mainly with hardware detection |
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| 18:38.03 | benjamindees | akuma_, you may or may not be able to compile xorg on woody; you're on your own though |
| 18:38.14 | akuma_ | there shouldnt be any reason I cant... |
| 18:38.17 | Gnurdux | Ubuntu IS debian based tho |
| 18:38.37 | akuma_ | its just another piece of software |
| 18:39.11 | akuma_ | if I could get this problem with knoppix fixed, I would keep this install, its perfect |
| 18:39.12 | tzafrir_laptop | anyway, is there a straight-forward way to set-up a simple jabber server for my local users? |
| 18:39.37 | benjamindees | akuma_, I'm not qualified to know, but I'd be interested to hear one way or the other |
| 18:39.47 | goron | valdyn: Do you see anything wrong? |
| 18:40.04 | Gnurdux | hey can someone help me with an inittab problem? |
| 18:40.05 | tzafrir_laptop | And is there any way for them to authenticate that will not require storing the password account in the client? |
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| 18:40.14 | tzafrir_laptop | Gnurdux, what is it? |
| 18:40.23 | Wyzard | akuma_: xorg might depend on newer versions of other things than are in woody |
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| 18:40.36 | Wyzard | akuma_: Note that xorg will be going into Debian (unstable and testing) after sarge is released |
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| 18:40.40 | valdyn | goron: no, see flood, i added things that should happen automatically |
| 18:40.45 | Wyzard | akuma_: And there's a #knoppix, btw |
| 18:40.49 | Gnurdux | tzafrir_laptop |
| 18:40.55 | maw | how can i patch my kernel with this: http://tgnard.free.fr/linux/ when I am using a debian kernel? |
| 18:40.56 | Gnurdux | im tyring to make an inittab entry |
| 18:41.02 | Gnurdux | of something that runs in the backgroun |
| 18:41.09 | Gnurdux | tho i could get it not too.... |
| 18:41.16 | akuma_ | Wyzard, if I had that kind of time (to wait for sarge) I would just install gentoo again :P, this is a time issue here... |
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| 18:42.01 | Wyzard | akuma_: Then use Ubuntu |
| 18:42.14 | Wyzard | akuma_: It's *meant* for desktop systems |
| 18:42.21 | tzafrir_laptop | What do you mean "run in the background? Should init respawn it? |
| 18:42.33 | tzafrir_laptop | Or only run it once? |
| 18:42.37 | Gnurdux | haha i get it |
| 18:42.38 | Wyzard | akuma_: Debian's stable releases are targeted more at server-type systems, where "tried and true" is more important than "latest and greatest" |
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| 18:42.46 | [sr] | hi |
| 18:42.51 | maw | how can i patch my kernel with this: http://tgnard.free.fr/linux/ when I am using a debian kernel? |
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| 18:43.06 | [sr] | is there an dhcp server expert? :P |
| 18:43.15 | green_earz | akuma_: sarge is perfect for a desktop box but not yet for servers |
| 18:43.22 | tzafrir_laptop | Wyzard, still, more than two years between released is way more than enough |
| 18:43.29 | streuner_ | maw: you don't |
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| 18:43.41 | raf256 | can I directly copy a file correspongind to an MySQL table, does linux mysql hold each table and/or database iin one file/directory that I can copy manualy? |
| 18:43.41 | streuner_ | maw: you need to compile via vanilla source |
| 18:43.43 | maw | then ill compile my own kenrel _>< |
| 18:43.52 | tzafrir_laptop | Sarge is not perfect for a desktop box, as it keeps changing. And woody's too old for a normal desktop |
| 18:44.04 | akuma_ | Wyzard, I was looking at Ubuntu, and not to be petty, but its website, and the default theme, the community, etc..., doesnt seem like we are on the same page |
| 18:44.10 | tzafrir_laptop | Not to mention that its hardware support |
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| 18:44.42 | akuma_ | I have a AMD64 box, that even running in 32bit needs some 2.6 drivers, mainly network |
| 18:44.44 | alephone | can i add this site to my sources.list file: ftp://arthur.ath.cx/debian/dists/ab/main/ |
| 18:44.47 | Wyzard | akuma_: Yes, the default theme is ugly, but on the whole it doesn't seem bad |
| 18:44.54 | valdyn | goron: if your hosts IP changes and you instantly try to access net then you router *may* be confused, i cant tell if that happened, going from your current setup that will not happen |
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| 18:45.17 | tzafrir_laptop | raf256, generally you shoun't do that. 'mysqldump dbnamr | mysql dbname ' is the way to copy |
| 18:45.17 | Wyzard | akuma_: I tried it out on my laptop for a few days |
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| 18:45.27 | akuma_ | What is Xandros based on? |
| 18:45.36 | SuperSox | Humm, anyone ever use an AirCard 750? I'm having a few difficulties with it, according to the instructions I've been following (on Sierra's site) i should be at the stage where my card is on /dev/modem, but /dev/modem doesn't exist, and I have no idea what /dev my card is bound to or even how to find out |
| 18:45.37 | streuner_ | maw: usually debian kernels patched, so find out if that patch isn't already into the kernel yet |
| 18:45.38 | akuma_ | does it have apt or similar integrated? |
| 18:46.00 | valdyn | goron: you still miss the dns entry however to access internet |
| 18:46.02 | benjamindees | akuma_, it's Debian based |
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| 18:46.17 | Gnurdux | i got the inittab entry workign :) |
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| 18:46.33 | tzafrir_laptop | Gnurdux, you didn't reboot just for trying the inittab config changes, I hope |
| 18:46.40 | tzafrir_laptop | too late |
| 18:46.42 | SuperSox | Furthered, an AirCard 750 is a pcmcia card |
| 18:46.43 | akuma_ | benjamindees, hmm really? I just burned the open circulation (free) version...hmm that might be an option... |
| 18:46.53 | maw | streuner_: it doesn't detect the cam, so i dont think its there:P |
| 18:47.07 | akuma_ | Anyone have any experiance, good or bad with Xandros 3? |
| 18:47.14 | trym | any good xml editors for X worth recommending? |
| 18:47.31 | tzafrir_laptop | trym, vim? emacs? |
| 18:47.42 | tzafrir_laptop | What do you want the XML editor to do? |
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| 18:48.00 | goron | valdyn: How should that look like? |
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| 18:48.12 | trym | tzafrir: basically give me an interface which makes xml editing more efficient (especially to xml beginners) |
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| 18:48.40 | maw | streuner_: but the sonix driver should be in it |
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| 18:48.45 | maw | and thats the one i need |
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| 18:49.22 | tzafrir_laptop | so nobody here has a simple jabberd? |
| 18:49.34 | nemozny | pls what application KDE runs when i press Alt+F2? It's "Run command.." dialog |
| 18:49.46 | FieldySnuts | @pls |
| 18:49.52 | raf256 | tzafrir_laptop: what about jabber? |
| 18:49.57 | valdyn | goron: all settings would be ok but your router wouldnt send the packets over the right cable |
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| 18:50.13 | raf256 | nemozny: the application that name You type in the box perhaps ;) ? |
| 18:50.15 | valdyn | goron: for a short while or till you reset it |
| 18:50.28 | tzafrir_laptop | Is there any simple and straight-forward to set a jabberd so it will authenticate with the local users list |
| 18:50.48 | FieldySnuts | probably a question best for a jabber mailing list or so, rather specific topic there |
| 18:50.53 | nemozny | ok, what script does Alt+F2 trigger? |
| 18:50.59 | raf256 | tzafrir_laptop: no idea.. check out jabber net forums, groups, irc channels perhaps |
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| 18:51.10 | tzafrir_laptop | Already tried. |
| 18:51.11 | goron | valdyn: Well, I didn't reset my router, so you think it does work, only I had to reset my router, or had to had some more patience? |
| 18:51.35 | jim | tzafrir_laptop: sounds like you would somehow combine pam with jabberd |
| 18:51.48 | valdyn | goron: nah, and your current IP is the same as the one you would statically set up /etc/network/interfaces, so thats no issue atm |
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| 18:53.12 | redduck666 | can i upgrade from reiserfs 3,6 to the latest version without data loose? |
| 18:53.30 | newbie | Hello... I changed the owner of directories to 755 (wrong command). How to I give back the owner of their directories?? |
| 18:53.34 | goron | valdyn: So then what is the problem? As I understand the dns stuff should resolve itself ( :) ) |
| 18:53.40 | valdyn | redduck666: despite both being from reiser, thats completely different fs |
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| 18:54.05 | FieldySnuts | you cannot convert from 3 to 4, you need to copy the data elsewhere, reformat, copy it back |
| 18:54.10 | redduck666 | valdyn: so the answer is no? |
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| 18:54.18 | valdyn | goron: no, since you dont get a DNS server via dhcp you need to add one manually |
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| 18:54.35 | redduck666 | FieldySnuts: thanks |
| 18:54.37 | alephone | can some one help with adding a line to my sources.list file? |
| 18:54.50 | FieldySnuts | note for reiserfs4 you have to patch your kernel |
| 18:54.52 | alephone | i have this line in there now: deb ftp://arthur.ath.cx/debian/dists/ab/ main/binary-i386 |
| 18:54.58 | FieldySnuts | and also have libaal I think it was, and reiser4progs |
| 18:54.59 | alephone | ftp://arthur.ath.cx/debian/dists/ab/main/ |
| 18:55.03 | redduck666 | newbie: man chown |
| 18:55.04 | alephone | that's the actual site |
| 18:55.12 | goron | valdyn: Ok, but how do I do get a DNS server? Or tell Debian to use one? |
| 18:55.13 | nyetzsche | can anyone recommend a good PDF->HTML converter? one that does well with academic papers; I see there's "pdftohtml" in debian, but it's hard to gauge from its webpage how well it will do with math formulas... |
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| 18:55.18 | FieldySnuts | i messed with it once but it's annoying, i think i'll wait for it to appear in the kernel |
| 18:55.41 | newbie | Hello... I changed the owner of directories to 755 (wrong command). How to I give back the owner of their directories?? |
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| 18:55.47 | valdyn | goron: lookinfg |
| 18:55.50 | redduck666 | newbie: man chown |
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| 18:56.22 | valdyn | goron: its set in /etc/resolv.conf but i think you can set it in /etc/network/interfaces too, thats what im looking |
| 18:57.16 | appaji | valdyn: you'd have to install the resolvconf package and add a dns-nameservers line if you want to do it via /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:57.43 | valdyn | goron: ah, see what appaji said, easier to just edit /etc/resolv.conf by hand |
| 18:57.52 | valdyn | appaji: thanks |
| 18:58.20 | appaji | valdyn: not really, resolvconf is very helpful, especially when you are in an environment that changes /etc/resolv.conf often :-) |
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| 18:58.35 | newbie | How to use chown to each user, equal their directory name? |
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| 18:58.43 | valdyn | appaji: yea, if, thats not to be expected at gorons setup |
| 18:58.56 | goron | appaji: What kind of arguments should I give to resolvconf. It has no --help. Well, I will first check the manpage. |
| 18:59.02 | valdyn | goron: you probably already have resolvconf installed, check - and do what suits you |
| 18:59.12 | jim | newbie: get the directory name, use chown on it, repeat |
| 18:59.17 | goron | valdyn: Yes, I have, ok. |
| 18:59.38 | appaji | goron: you don't 'run' resolvconf. You instruct programs to use it in different ways. |
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| 19:00.01 | appaji | goron: like using dns-nameservers directive in /etc/network/interfaces for ifup/down. |
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| 19:00.14 | |^AbRaXaS^| | hello |
| 19:00.30 | newbie | jim: I will do that for 300 directories? |
| 19:00.50 | wyse | any suggestings for making everything not suck when i'm using my wyse-60 terminal on my debian box? |
| 19:01.00 | appaji | goron: and using a server section with a label of "resolvconf" in /etc/pdnsd.conf if you are using pdnsd for a simple caching DNS at home (like I do) |
| 19:01.00 | windowwasher | newbie: simple shell script should do that happily for you |
| 19:01.06 | alephone | newbie: you can use chown -R and it will be recursive |
| 19:01.20 | wyse | (the terminal length in console is correct, but it's wrong when i'm using irssi, for example, or 'links' or anu curses apps |
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| 19:01.35 | wyse | and when i use apps like 'adduser', my backspace does the old ^H thing |
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| 19:01.55 | wyse | (no option to change that on the wyse termianal itself, afaict) |
| 19:02.06 | jim | newbie: sure. oh, and you might want to info bash first, there could be facilities in your bash shell that can help you |
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| 19:03.47 | redduck666 | i have a 30 gb reiser 3,6 partitoion, 10 gb used space. can i create a new partition from a free space, format that in latest reiserfs, copy data from old partition to newly created partition, format the old and empty partition with latest reiserfs and than merge the two partitions? and ofcourse i wouldn't like to loose my data. can it be done? |
| 19:04.17 | wyse | probably safer to go from one drive to another drive.... |
| 19:04.27 | goron | appaji: I don't really get it. What should I do with resolvconf? I did resolvconf -a eth1, but then it seems it requests input. I suppose this is where I should type the ip address of the nameserver. But it's really non-obvious. |
| 19:04.40 | redduck666 | wyse: don't have another hd :( |
| 19:04.56 | wyse | repartitioning a working dirve always carries the risk of data loss |
| 19:04.58 | appaji | goron: what exactly are you trying to do? Sorry if you told that already, but I wasn't around :-) |
| 19:05.01 | valdyn | goron: you do nothing with it yourself. its used to manage your resolv.conf |
| 19:05.04 | jim | redduck666: might want to avoid reiser if you don't like total data loss too, there are stories |
| 19:05.17 | redduck666 | wyse: my linux is on my other 5 gb partition |
| 19:05.33 | valdyn | goron: your dhcp client has to use it to set resolv.conf, your ifup / ifdown use it to set resolv.conf |
| 19:05.41 | Blissex | redduck666: «merge» of two partitions is best forgotten... |
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| 19:05.51 | goron | valdyn: We were busy with the DNS stuff, but now I don't need it anymore? |
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| 19:06.11 | goron | valdyn: But now we were trying to get the static stuff working. |
| 19:06.21 | redduck666 | Blissex: :( |
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| 19:06.35 | valdyn | goron: you have resolvconf installed, so just add to your eth1 the line dns-nameservers 192.168.2.1 ( if that was your nameserver ) |
| 19:06.38 | redduck666 | thanks for the input guys |
| 19:06.54 | Blissex | redduck666: doing any -in-place partition modifications is a bad idea. Other than adding or deleting partitions. |
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| 19:07.13 | valdyn | goron: dhcp would set the nameserver for you, since you need static ip you have to set it |
| 19:07.14 | Blissex | redduck666: and if one has a minimum of sense, having a backup disk is a good idea. I have three. |
| 19:08.00 | jim | redduck666: and safest is if you have backup media so you don't have to do that kind of thing... safest is back up entire drive before altering partition table in any way |
| 19:08.22 | Blissex | redduck666: also «latest reiserfs» probably means you want to upgrade from ReiserFS 3 to 4, and many people are still a bit skeptical about the reliability of ReiserFS 4. |
| 19:08.38 | goron | valdyn: But the file says I should not edit it by hand. Thus my "analysys" of the resolvconf program was correct. Thus just do resolvconf -a eth1 and then when I see the pipe waiting for input, input a ipadress of my name server? I believe this will result in writing the dns server to the configuration file /etc/resolv.conf, right? |
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| 19:09.08 | valdyn | goron: somehow , yes, but you are not supposed to run resolvconf yourself |
| 19:09.11 | Guest100951 | I´m installing squirrelmail and I got a "permission denied" error message after log in. How to solve this? |
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| 19:09.39 | jim | there might not be enough data on reiser 4... I haven't heard bad things about reiser4 myself |
| 19:09.42 | redduck666 | Guest100951: have you tryed chmoding it? |
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| 19:10.08 | jim | Guest100951: what is being denied you? |
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| 19:10.23 | wyse | huh. page up and page down don't work here... interesting |
| 19:10.26 | valdyn | goron: /etc/resolv.conf is not supposed to be edited by hand if you use dhcp and/or resolvconf. Otherwise its edited by hand. |
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| 19:10.28 | jim | logging into what? |
| 19:10.29 | Guest100951 | redduck666: yes, but I don´t know what directory I have to change |
| 19:10.54 | newbie | How to use chown to each user, to give back to the user, their ownership of your directori??? |
| 19:11.10 | goron | valdyn: ok, so either I should edit it by hand (for this case), or I should use the revolvconf program. Ok, this is making things clear. |
| 19:11.17 | Guest100951 | the error is Query:CREATE "INBOX.Sent" Reason Given: Permission denied |
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| 19:11.50 | Xenguy | newbie: /b |
| 19:11.54 | Xenguy | sorry |
| 19:11.54 | redduck666 | newbie: chmod *new owner* *file/directory* |
| 19:11.55 | Guest100951 | I´m trying to log into webmail |
| 19:12.11 | nemozny | does anyone know anything about linux here? |
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| 19:12.16 | valdyn | goron: you dont use resolvconf yourself, its run automatically when your network is brought up ( if its installed ) |
| 19:12.20 | newbie | redduck666: I have 300 users |
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| 19:12.27 | newbie | I will need to run the command 300 times? |
| 19:12.29 | Xenguy | nemozny: nah, only debian gnu/linux :P |
| 19:12.32 | jim | nemozny: linux?! what the heck is that??! |
| 19:12.40 | eps | erm, I setup debian today, and I'm trying to apt-get install mplayer and libcssdvd yet it says it isn't there - am I missing a source and how do I get it? |
| 19:12.44 | valdyn | goron: ok, i think we understand each other, just left that you try this ) |
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| 19:12.52 | tdob | hi all ! |
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| 19:13.01 | redduck666 | newbie: sorry don't know that |
| 19:13.09 | jim | Guest100951: ok, can you reproduce the complete and exact text of the error message you get? |
| 19:13.20 | jim | newbie: info bash |
| 19:13.29 | Guest100951 | jim: is that : Query:CREATE "INBOX.Sent" Reason Given: Permission denied |
| 19:13.31 | christor | jim: ok I m here ( Concerning the prob of SATA ) |
| 19:13.32 | Xenguy | !mplayer |
| 19:13.32 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, or ask me about "marillat" |
| 19:13.33 | goron | valdyn: Thanks, again. :) |
| 19:13.45 | christor | jim: problem resolved the disk was /dev/sd... |
| 19:13.49 | valdyn | goron: oh, one more thing: |
| 19:13.51 | eps | ah okay, thanks Xenguy |
| 19:13.55 | kurt | How would I go about changing the display manager to entrance? |
| 19:13.59 | Xenguy | eps: yw |
| 19:14.01 | valdyn | goron: if you use this setup, and switch both computers off |
| 19:14.05 | jim | christor: ahh, so it thinks it's a scsi drive :) |
| 19:14.11 | eps | does the same apply to libcssdvd ? |
| 19:14.17 | SuperSox | I've inserted a PCMCIA card how would I find out what /dev entry it has? |
| 19:14.41 | paulswm | Yay, I found and recovered a deleted ext3 file, a non-trivial undertaking as ext3 wipes the inode |
| 19:15.13 | valdyn | goron: next day ( or whenever you switch both on, your "statically" routed one will have the IP 192.168.2.100 obviously, and your 2nd computer will get assigned via dhcp the first available for dhcp ( 192.168.2.100 ) - thats obviously a problem. |
| 19:16.07 | Xenguy | paulswm: I'm impressed :-) |
| 19:16.13 | maw | i've written video4linux-nw802-source to get the source, but how do I install it? |
| 19:16.15 | valdyn | goron: so to be safe make both static and / or give your static interface an ip between 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.2.99 |
| 19:16.16 | jim | Guest100951: where do you see this message? |
| 19:16.31 | jim | on a shell? on a web page? |
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| 19:16.41 | streuner_ | maw: where you get that from? |
| 19:16.51 | Guest100951 | jim: on a webpage after loggin |
| 19:16.55 | maw | apt-get |
| 19:17.15 | goron | valdyn: I already changed it on my other computer(well, under Windows not under my other linux installation). So that shouldn't be a problem. Thanks, anyway :) |
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| 19:17.31 | ermo | Helo |
| 19:17.35 | maw | helo |
| 19:17.46 | jim | melo |
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| 19:18.13 | staale | need som help |
| 19:18.21 | ApEtc | !ask |
| 19:18.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 19:18.38 | streuner_ | maw: read README, Install or such |
| 19:18.51 | staale | cant get sound out of my optical input, I got an Terratec 5.1 fun |
| 19:18.52 | willouch | hi, do you know a mutilanguage translator |
| 19:19.05 | streuner_ | maw: the package has surely some docs about |
| 19:19.22 | tdob | Is here anybody from Poland?? |
| 19:19.26 | eps | hmm, I need to get an optical card in the next few weeks, *listens in* |
| 19:19.30 | valdyn | !pl |
| 19:19.30 | dpkg | i guess pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
| 19:19.41 | streuner_ | maw: Description: Source for the nw802 driver |
| 19:19.41 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.41 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:20.06 | staale | can someone joine me private and help me with my sound card? |
| 19:20.13 | maw | yeah, I know, but I am getting, like 500 error when i try to compile it |
| 19:20.14 | maw | :P |
| 19:20.25 | streuner_ | maw: /j #flood |
| 19:20.31 | shingouz | staale: just ask here |
| 19:20.45 | maw | streuner_: there is no point in pasting it |
| 19:20.57 | maw | its about missing NULL |
| 19:21.38 | kurt | How would I go about changing the display manager to entrance? |
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| 19:21.57 | streuner_ | kurt: /msg dpkg wm |
| 19:22.18 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure gdm|kdm|xdm|... |
| 19:22.36 | paulswm | Xenguy: Thanks! I'll write it up and post it on my web site |
| 19:22.49 | staale | I have an Terratec Aureon 5.1 Fun card, and cant get my optical input to make sound? Someone help? |
| 19:23.08 | appaji | kurt: see /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 19:23.23 | kurt | appaji: I did. It still uses gdm. |
| 19:23.31 | staale | this is an emergency |
| 19:23.44 | staale | neeed help., someone help plz? |
| 19:23.55 | staale | I have an Terratec Aureon 5.1 Fun card, and cant get my optical input to make sound? Someone help? |
| 19:23.57 | valdyn | appaji: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 19:24.13 | appaji | kurt: remove gdm from the init scripts 'man update-rc.d' |
| 19:24.14 | valdyn | kurt: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 19:24.30 | simonrvn | staale: just ask FFS |
| 19:24.35 | staale | I have an Terratec Aureon 5.1 Fun card, and cant get my optical input to make sound? Someone help? |
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| 19:24.44 | paulswm | staale: repetition is unnecessary and irritating, if someone wants to help they will |
| 19:24.48 | jair_11 | hello guys? |
| 19:24.53 | shingouz | staale: a bit more information. what have you done and what is the barf you get? |
| 19:24.58 | streuner_ | Are you a bot? or why do you repeat that question many times? |
| 19:25.08 | maw | hehe |
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| 19:25.10 | staale | dunno |
| 19:25.12 | staale | im n00b |
| 19:25.18 | staale | have installed and configured alsa |
| 19:25.22 | paulswm | streuner_: an idibot |
| 19:25.31 | staale | but my optical input doesnt work |
| 19:25.44 | simonrvn | staale: explain what the problem is, what your hardware is, what you're using, what kind of sound it is (OSS or ALSA) |
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| 19:26.49 | staale | alsa ffs, my problem is that when i connect my optical kabel into my input slot, i cant get sound, so i need help to install the optical input slot in my terratec aureon 5.1 fun |
| 19:27.49 | valdyn | staale: define "get sound" |
| 19:27.58 | streuner_ | maw: you use vanilla kernel, right? |
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| 19:28.09 | Guest100951 | have you ever instaled squirrelmail? |
| 19:28.12 | jair_11 | I am having a little annoying situation. when I was configuring this "sarge RC3 laptop" I choose that my system was using the GMT time protocol or system, I also configure the time zone to my area chicago. but each time I boot the machine I get a "local time zone wrong hour" then I have to change it each time to my time zone "chicago" central time. please how can I make it always stay in the chicago timezone.? |
| 19:28.15 | valdyn | staale: which application is not doing what |
| 19:28.22 | maw | streuner_: I have figured it out |
| 19:28.28 | streuner_ | Guest100951: just ask |
| 19:28.30 | staale | my terratec audio card is not making sound |
| 19:28.55 | Guest100951 | streuner_: what permission I have to set to squirrelmail work? |
| 19:29.07 | SuperSox | How would i find out a pcmcia cards /dev entry |
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| 19:29.14 | streuner_ | Guest100951: i didn't say i have a clue about? |
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| 19:29.42 | streuner_ | Guest100951: use Ilohamail, i might be able to help then. |
| 19:29.45 | Guest100951 | streuner_: sorry? I didn´t understood you. |
| 19:29.56 | jim | Guest100951: what other things did you have to install, according to squirrelmail installation instructions |
| 19:30.04 | valdyn | staale: im sure you dont expect you card start vibrating by itself and "make sound" so what are you using to have it "make sound" |
| 19:30.10 | staale | valdyn: do you know what to do? |
| 19:30.14 | staale | ok |
| 19:30.16 | streuner_ | Guest100951: should i repeat? (i have no fucking clue about squierllmail) |
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| 19:30.22 | Guest100951 | jim: I´ve installed cyrus too |
| 19:30.22 | staale | alsa |
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| 19:30.32 | kurt | that didn't work |
| 19:30.38 | jim | what is cyrus? |
| 19:30.38 | valdyn | god |
| 19:30.42 | staale | i have installed and configured alsa, but it cant be configured right? |
| 19:30.43 | streuner_ | !didn't work |
| 19:30.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:30.52 | Guest100951 | cyrus is a imap server |
| 19:30.56 | jim | ok |
| 19:31.12 | simonrvn | !info cyrus21-imapd |
| 19:31.14 | dpkg | cyrus21-imapd: (Cyrus mail system (IMAP support)), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.1.18-1 (sid), Packaged size: 557 kB, Installed size: 1592 kB |
| 19:31.34 | simonrvn | ancient history... |
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| 19:31.54 | jair_11 | I am having a little annoying situation. when I was configuring this "sarge RC3 laptop" I choose that my system was using the GMT time protocol or system, I also configure the time zone to my area chicago. but each time I boot the machine I get a "local time zone wrong hour" then I have to change it each time to my time zone "chicago" central time. please how can I make it always stay in the chicago timezone.? |
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| 19:32.09 | jim | maybe what happened is squirrelmail could not create a cyrus mail folder because the squirrelmail process doesn't have permission |
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| 19:32.20 | valdyn | staale: i give up |
| 19:32.20 | revenger | hmm is there any ac3 encoder library available for linux? |
| 19:32.21 | kurt | Well, what 'it' was, is changing gdm to use entrance. However, using update-rc.d did not work. My goal is to get entrance to work as the display manager upon start up. |
| 19:32.22 | jair_11 | how could I make my time boot default in the central time and the correct time |
| 19:32.23 | simonrvn | there's no such thing as chicago time... |
| 19:32.31 | Guest100951 | and how to set this permissions? |
| 19:32.45 | jair_11 | simonrvn, central time |
| 19:32.46 | staale | valdyn cant u just help me with a start, im n00b.. |
| 19:32.54 | staale | cant you just help me from det start |
| 19:33.03 | streuner_ | kurt: the suggestions was to remove the symlink which starts gdm or such |
| 19:33.04 | staale | how do i install sound card |
| 19:33.07 | jair_11 | I want to change the localt time of my machine to a different time |
| 19:33.13 | staale | apt-get install alsa |
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| 19:33.19 | streuner_ | kurt: so /msg dpkg nodm and use 'startx' |
| 19:33.20 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 19:33.20 | dpkg | [alsa 2.6] On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 19:33.22 | staale | and so when ive installed. alsaconf |
| 19:33.30 | jim | Guest100951: what does squirrelmail install docs say about permissions? |
| 19:33.33 | staale | the i get sound in my headsett |
| 19:33.42 | staale | but not in my speakers |
| 19:33.42 | streuner_ | jair_11: tzconfig |
| 19:33.52 | simonrvn | staale: you need to help us too. like what kind of card, etc. WE AREN'T THERE NOR ARE WE MIND READERS |
| 19:34.00 | jair_11 | staale, I have a very good page that will walk you through what you have to do give me a min and I will find it |
| 19:34.07 | jair_11 | streuner, ok |
| 19:34.15 | Guest100951 | jim: just to change permissions to two directories and I already done |
| 19:34.29 | streuner_ | simonrvn: well, my crystal-thingie is in low-stat too ;-) |
| 19:34.37 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 19:35.03 | kurt | streuner: I don't really want to use "startx." |
| 19:35.36 | streuner_ | kurt: ok |
| 19:35.39 | valdyn | kurt: whats entrance? apt-cache search entrance yields nothing. |
| 19:35.44 | jim | Guest100951: could you show the permission change |
| 19:35.48 | staale | I GOT AN TERRATEC AUREON 5.1 FUN CARD, USE'IN A OPTICAL KABEL TO GET SOUND IN MY SPEAKERS, I CANT FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INSTALL THAT PORT? U GUYS UNDERSTAND NOW? |
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| 19:35.57 | kurt | valdyn: It's the e17 display manager. |
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| 19:36.12 | valdyn | kurt: so its not debian software |
| 19:36.12 | rafx | anyone here successfully running Debian Sarge as guest OS in Windows 2000/XP vmware 5.0 host? i know it worked in vmware 4.x, just wondering if they broke it since Debian isn't officially supported |
| 19:36.14 | simonrvn | staale: so wtf are you here then? |
| 19:36.16 | kurt | from another repository. I'd just like to know which config files make gdm start in init.d, and where to go to change them. |
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| 19:36.28 | Guest100951 | jim:on sec |
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| 19:36.53 | staale | NEED HELP TO GET SOUND, I M N00B, CAN ABOUT NO THING ABOUT LINUX, AND MY SOUND CARD IS NOT INSTALLED, HOW DO I INSTALL MY SOUND CARD? |
| 19:36.58 | enyc | 'hrrm |
| 19:36.58 | jair_11 | staale, http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html |
| 19:37.09 | enyc | 'rafx: i've heard more of peopel runnign windoze INSIDE vmware |
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| 19:37.13 | enyc | 'not the other way round |
| 19:37.14 | enyc | 'hrrm |
| 19:37.16 | valdyn | kurt: you can use rcconf to disable all debian *dm |
| 19:37.18 | streuner_ | staale: calm down, and don't use CAPS - its in IRC yelling |
| 19:37.20 | jair_11 | staale, here will tell you everything you need, then you have to play with the sound mis |
| 19:37.22 | jair_11 | mix |
| 19:37.24 | karim | staale, try something else than debian |
| 19:37.25 | Thanatermesis | how to look the OP's in one channel please ? |
| 19:37.26 | jair_11 | sound mix |
| 19:37.41 | streuner_ | Thanatermesis: /msg chanserv help |
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| 19:37.49 | Guest100951 | jim: drwx-wx--- 2 root www-data 4096 Apr 15 16:56 attach |
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| 19:38.07 | eps | 2? |
| 19:38.09 | eps | hehe |
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| 19:38.22 | Guest100951 | jim: drwx-wx--- 2 root www-data 4096 Apr 16 12:39 data |
| 19:38.25 | streuner_ | Thanatermesis: why? |
| 19:38.34 | ermo | some one knows the command so i can see who is in this channel? |
| 19:38.42 | deadcat | is this cpu any good? http://www.craigslist.org/sby/sys/67294683.html 250mhz 64bit risc mips |
| 19:38.45 | Wyzard | eps: All directories have two links... they're listed in their parent directory, and in themselves as the "." entry |
| 19:38.49 | jim | ermo: /help newusers |
| 19:38.50 | streuner_ | ermo: what irc-client do you use? |
| 19:38.57 | staale | http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html, if i install all the tings on that list, do it work then? And after i have installed it all, how do i save changes? |
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| 19:39.02 | ermo | the one in linux |
| 19:39.08 | ermo | debian |
| 19:39.09 | streuner_ | ermo: /who #debian |
| 19:39.11 | deadcat | ermo: theres loads of client for linux |
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| 19:39.16 | ermo | ok thx ;) |
| 19:39.17 | jair_11 | streuner, this is the result of the configuration -> Your default time zone is set to 'America/Chicago'. |
| 19:39.18 | jair_11 | Local time is now: Sat Apr 16 14:41:26 CDT 2005. |
| 19:39.18 | jair_11 | Universal Time is now: Sat Apr 16 19:41:26 UTC 2005. |
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| 19:39.29 | jair_11 | streuner, do you notice the UTC time |
| 19:39.33 | staale | http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html, if i install all the tings on that list, do it work then? And after i have installed it all, how do i save changes? |
| 19:39.42 | jim | Guest100951: ok, what user and group does the web server run as? |
| 19:39.42 | ermo | yeah i dunno ita djust a standard version in debian ive i type >irc then i connect to this :) |
| 19:39.44 | simonrvn | jair_11: nothing wrong with that |
| 19:39.44 | valdyn | staale: no need to save changes, and stop fucking repeating |
| 19:39.57 | streuner_ | jair_11: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 19:40.03 | fusQer | i have apache2 just installed, and hte default index.html it uses is /var/www/apache2-default/index.html, i want to change this and am looking in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and cannot find the entry anywhere. am i looking in the right place? |
| 19:40.03 | streuner_ | jair_11: done |
| 19:40.13 | jair_11 | staale, after that at the end of the document it shows you how to save the configuration |
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| 19:40.18 | jair_11 | staale, please read |
| 19:40.20 | staale | okey. thx for help, i will not repeat more, dont wont truble. just get it |
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| 19:40.32 | jair_11 | streuner, ok |
| 19:40.43 | paulswm | ermo: an easy client to use (assuming you're running X) is xchat, there are several others also, try them out |
| 19:40.44 | valdyn | staale: when you run the application ( which one that is is obviously a secret ), you get sound on your headset? |
| 19:40.47 | Guest100951 | jim: the webserver run as www-data.www.data |
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| 19:40.58 | streuner_ | jair_11: what command did you use? |
| 19:41.01 | staale | yes valdyn |
| 19:41.06 | staale | get sound of my headset |
| 19:41.12 | staale | but not by my speakers |
| 19:41.12 | jim | Guest100951: hmmm... |
| 19:41.20 | valdyn | staale: what are you trying to get that application to output to your speakers? |
| 19:41.28 | staale | yes |
| 19:41.34 | jim | that looks good |
| 19:41.36 | promethues | go to bed...good night,every body~~~~~~ |
| 19:41.40 | valdyn | staale: that was not a yes/no question |
| 19:41.43 | Guest100951 | jim: ok |
| 19:42.00 | jim | does the php script run as a different user? |
| 19:42.02 | valdyn | staale: you just "expect" that application to output to both at once? |
| 19:42.11 | staale | yes:P |
| 19:42.20 | staale | i have used windows all the time |
| 19:42.22 | Guest100951 | how to verify this? |
| 19:42.22 | valdyn | staale: time to tell which application it is |
| 19:42.25 | silverton | staale, then get a MAC |
| 19:42.26 | staale | installed linux for a week ago |
| 19:42.28 | paulswm | promethues: good night, have a safe night |
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| 19:42.43 | valdyn | staale: that headset is plugged into your soundcard? |
| 19:42.48 | staale | yes |
| 19:43.23 | jim | Guest100951: not sure... never did use php before |
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| 19:43.40 | jim | well I guess I must have once |
| 19:43.40 | valdyn | staale: cat /proc/asound/devices, for info on pasting "/msg dpkg paste" ) |
| 19:43.47 | Guest100951 | jim: neighter I |
| 19:43.59 | jair_11 | streuner, the command I used was "tzconfig" |
| 19:44.08 | valdyn | staale: do you use udev btw? ( or gnome ) ? |
| 19:44.09 | jair_11 | streuner, then I choose america |
| 19:44.15 | Guest100951 | jim: neither I |
| 19:44.16 | jair_11 | streuner, then chicago |
| 19:44.20 | jim | all: would a php script run with the perms of the web server user/group? |
| 19:44.23 | staale | debian, gnome i belive |
| 19:44.43 | valdyn | staale: ls /dev/dsp* |
| 19:44.45 | staale | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.45 | staale | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.45 | staale | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.45 | staale | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.45 | staale | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.46 | staale | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:45.11 | silverton | wow, that kid doesn't read... |
| 19:45.30 | jair_11 | streuner, I am clicking still on the UTC time and appear the different time |
| 19:45.35 | jair_11 | streuner, but it is ok |
| 19:45.52 | jair_11 | that is a UTC time the other one is correct the CDT chicago good |
| 19:45.54 | silverton | Yeah...I've got a machine that isn't showing the proper time either |
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| 19:46.06 | streuner_ | jair_11: there should be a misconfiguration in /etc/ |
| 19:46.12 | jair_11 | but when I boot the machine start with the UTC instead with the CDT |
| 19:46.21 | jair_11 | streuner, hmmm |
| 19:46.30 | jair_11 | streuner, /etc/? |
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| 19:47.05 | streuner_ | jair_11: ls -l /etc/localtime |
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| 19:47.20 | streuner_ | LSorensen: /etc/localetime: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 19:47.25 | fusQer | i have apache2 just installed, and hte default index.html it uses is /var/www/apache2-default/index.html, i want to change this and am looking in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and cannot find the entry anywhere. am i looking in the right place? |
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| 19:47.39 | jim | Guest100951: the only way I can help here is by trying to actually do this |
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| 19:47.45 | valdyn | fusQer: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 19:47.59 | streuner_ | knusper:/etc# ls -l /etc/localtime |
| 19:47.59 | streuner_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 33 2004-12-28 22:53 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin |
| 19:48.05 | solo | what is needed in kernel setup to startup login.exe? my system stops after starting up cron, whereafter normally the login: appears |
| 19:48.19 | silverton | .... |
| 19:48.19 | steve_ | hey YO YO YO. what does the unix command "`" do? |
| 19:48.21 | silverton | an .exe ? |
| 19:48.33 | steve_ | like: |
| 19:48.48 | steve_ | steve@ath1400:~$ ` |
| 19:48.48 | steve_ | > |
| 19:48.52 | Equinox | It puts the output of the command encased in them into the command line |
| 19:49.08 | Equinox | ls `echo "-a"` would do a ls -a |
| 19:49.28 | Guest100951 | jim: ok jim, tks for your help. I´ll try to setup another webmail now and next week I´ll try to use Squirrelmail again |
| 19:49.40 | steve_ | when would you want to use that? |
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| 19:49.52 | Equinox | Hmm.. I've used it before but why it escapes me. |
| 19:49.59 | fusQer | thx valdyn |
| 19:50.12 | jair_11 | streuner, ok hold on |
| 19:50.15 | paulswm | steve_: when you want to use the output of a command as positional parameters for another command |
| 19:50.29 | silverton | I might as well take a nap... >.< |
| 19:50.39 | steve_ | so what would be an example? |
| 19:50.41 | Equinox | paulswm- I think he wanted a specific, practical example ;) |
| 19:50.44 | jim | Guest100951: if you're into web applications, you might see if you like openacs (there is a way to connect squirrelmail to it; it uses aolserver, not apache) |
| 19:50.49 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 19:50.51 | Equinox | Ooh |
| 19:50.52 | Equinox | I know one |
| 19:50.59 | outlier | steve: if you don't know the path to fluxbox, for example, you can do startx `which fluxbox` |
| 19:51.11 | Guest100951 | jim: ok |
| 19:51.12 | Equinox | steve_ - BitchX has a bug(in some versions) where it won't resolve a hostname |
| 19:51.14 | shingouz | silverton: i hope you are joking about the speed you can compile kernels. i have several slower computers that can do better :o |
| 19:51.15 | paulswm | Equinox: good one |
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| 19:51.22 | jair_11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.22 | Equinox | steve_ - So you have to pass the Ip address |
| 19:51.28 | E-bola | Can somebody tell me what the /srv directory is for? |
| 19:51.29 | Equinox | steve- BitchX Equinox `host irc.debian.org` |
| 19:51.31 | jair_11 | this is the result of the command ls-l |
| 19:51.37 | E-bola | seems to have been generated by debian |
| 19:51.40 | silverton | shingouz, I was just giving a guesstimate... |
| 19:51.46 | steve_ | sweet |
| 19:51.49 | silverton | shingouz, I'm sure it won't actually take that long |
| 19:51.51 | steve_ | now i know the ` command |
| 19:51.56 | paulswm | silverton: install ccache, subsequent compile will run faster |
| 19:52.08 | silverton | paulswm, I don't plan on compiling again |
| 19:52.12 | jair_11 | streuner, it looks good now it should be repaired and cahnged at the next boot? |
| 19:52.12 | shingouz | silverton: it shouldnt take that long ;) |
| 19:52.20 | jair_11 | streuner, or what do you think? |
| 19:52.29 | paulswm | silverton: Heh, you will :) |
| 19:52.29 | streuner | jair_11: no idea |
| 19:52.39 | Pappa | example: echo "You are" `who` "in" `pwd` "at" `date` |
| 19:52.45 | jair_11 | streuner, actually I have the local time good |
| 19:52.46 | silverton | shingouz, it took forever for my P3 @ 666mhz to compile the kernel when it was running gentoo |
| 19:53.00 | jair_11 | streuner, but the universal time could I make it the local time? |
| 19:53.06 | silverton | paulswm, yeah, you're probably right... since they don't have K6-2 kernels anymore :( |
| 19:53.07 | paulswm | A p133 takes a while to run a kernel build |
| 19:53.11 | Pappa | err |
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| 19:53.15 | Equinox | steve_ - Oh.. Now I know one I actually used.. I was making postgreSQL backup files, I wanted the `date` to appear in the output filename so I used `date`.(with some added parameters) |
| 19:53.37 | Pappa | example: echo "You are" `whoami` "in" `pwd` "at" `date` # rather |
| 19:53.42 | Equinox | So I got postgre-backup-2005-04-01.sql.bz2 |
| 19:53.42 | shingouz | silverton: with that kind of cpu it shouldnt take forever. i have done kernels on 486dx2-66'es and even they do it way before i have to go to sleep |
| 19:53.51 | jair_11 | what I want to accomplish is that, everytime I boot the computer the computer show the local time by default instead the universal time. |
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| 19:53.58 | silverton | shingouz, what distro?? |
| 19:54.04 | streuner | jair_11: cat /etc/timezone |
| 19:54.05 | shingouz | silverton: debian |
| 19:54.12 | bibe | hi, i'd like to use a textbrowser like lynx, what supports https. which program should i use? |
| 19:54.12 | silverton | shingouz, can they run X ? |
| 19:54.24 | anhi | bibe: w3m, links |
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| 19:54.32 | shingouz | silverton: a 486dx2? yes with enough ram and a lignt wm they can |
| 19:54.36 | shingouz | light even |
| 19:54.57 | silverton | shingouz, .... hmm....I have a 486 box with 32megs and an OverDrive... |
| 19:55.07 | FFs | hey can anyone help me with this .. when i type dpkg-reconfigure tcl8.4 ... i get |
| 19:55.09 | FFs | update-menus[2451]: Script /etc/menu-methods/translate_menus returned error status 1. |
| 19:55.16 | shingouz | silverton: just keep the install mean and lean and you have X too |
| 19:55.20 | silverton | though, I think I have bigger RAM modules for it..but I can't get them to work |
| 19:55.22 | lilliput | hello all ;) |
| 19:55.47 | outlier | If I want a command to run when X starts (ex: fbpager) where do I need to put it? |
| 19:55.52 | silverton | a friend of mine dropped off a crapload of old machines, and this "decent" K6-2 |
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| 19:55.58 | Segers_J | heh, lilliputian hello ;) |
| 19:55.59 | silverton | he gave me a working IBM 8088 |
| 19:55.59 | lilliput | wanted to know if you what to put on grub.conf to boot on a firewire device ? |
| 19:56.04 | Blissex | outlier: depends a lot. |
| 19:56.04 | silverton | I'm thinking about selling it on ebay |
| 19:56.09 | tosh | any alternatives for explore2fs? (it has issues with large files) |
| 19:56.14 | shingouz | silverton: that 8088 doesnt run linux ;) |
| 19:56.17 | Chrissy2k5 | hey can anyone help me with this .. when i type dpkg-reconfigure tcl8.4 ... i get > update-menus[2451]: Script /etc/menu-methods/translate_menus returned error status 1. |
| 19:56.17 | silverton | and two US Logic 486/33's I "think" |
| 19:56.24 | Blissex | outlier: look for docs on '~/.xsession' and '~/.xinitrc' |
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| 19:56.57 | silverton | shingouz, I don't expect it to :P |
| 19:57.08 | outlier | Blissex: Do those files exist by default? |
| 19:57.10 | lilliput | and if booting on a firewire device is possible ;. not really sure .. |
| 19:57.14 | tra1a1a | i |
| 19:57.20 | valdyn | outlier: desktop environments usually provide their own mechanism to do this ( if youre using one ) |
| 19:57.28 | jim | Chrissy2k5: ?exist? /etc/menu-methods/translate_menus |
| 19:57.35 | silverton | shingouz, I'm actually thinking of turning one of the 486's into an IPcop box |
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| 19:58.04 | Blissex | outlier: no. |
| 19:58.07 | tra1a1a | I'm trying to install a sarge base system under chroot (lessdisks) but I want to use my dvds instead internet. Any chances? |
| 19:58.14 | shingouz | silverton: should run very well, i have done a bunch of routers with Freesco and Floppyfw outof 486-boxen |
| 19:58.14 | outlier | valdyn: using fluxbox |
| 19:58.20 | Chrissy2k5 | translate_menus does exist |
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| 19:58.45 | outlier | Blissex: That explains why I can't locate them :-) |
| 19:58.52 | silverton | shingouz, would you suggest IPcop over the two you just mentioned? |
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| 19:59.04 | Blissex | outlier: it is all beautifully documented, so do a nice web search... |
| 19:59.17 | streuner | tra1a1a: look at the ig, it mention an example about chroot, but over apt-get... |
| 19:59.48 | outlier | Blissex: thanks |
| 19:59.48 | shingouz | silverton: i have never tried ipcop but doesn't that need a cd? the ones i have done run off a single floppy with no other drives on the computer. sleek and simple ;) |
| 20:00.14 | Blissex | google xsession xinitrc intro OR tutorial OR howto |
| 20:00.22 | jair_11 | streuner, this is the result of the command cat /etc/timezone : caracas:~# cat /etc/timezone |
| 20:00.22 | jair_11 | America/Chicago |
| 20:00.22 | jair_11 | caracas:~# |
| 20:00.35 | silverton | shingouz, I'm not sure, I was just about to go look it up, and to my knowledge, 486 boxens won't boot from CD |
| 20:00.39 | streuner | tra1a1a: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 20:00.41 | jair_11 | so it looks good to me |
| 20:00.51 | alephone | does the Packages file in this directory need to contain the path of the files for this archive? ftp://arthur.ath.cx/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/ |
| 20:01.01 | shingouz | silverton: some do but if you keep the thing on a floppy alone you should not have any problems |
| 20:01.22 | jair_11 | streuner, I think it should be a problem with booting or UTC or CDT default time boot or in the KDE? |
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| 20:01.33 | tosh | silverton there is a slackware-based project that installs a mini system that acts as an intermediate device so you can boot off cds, forgot the name though |
| 20:01.49 | silverton | tosh, thank you I'll look into it |
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| 20:01.54 | streuner | jair_11: oh, you got this in KDE? :-) |
| 20:01.55 | tra1a1a | streuner: thanks |
| 20:01.57 | silverton | shingouz, yeah, the IPcop image is ~40MB |
| 20:01.58 | streuner | np |
| 20:02.04 | silverton | not quick small enough to fit on a floppy disk ;) |
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| 20:02.29 | EmleyMoor | Has anyone actually been successful in getting wpa_supplicant to run in order to set up a wireless network interface at boot time? Everything I have tried has failed badly - I think I have the dmesg output from one of my attempts if it helps... |
| 20:02.45 | shingouz | silverton: probably not. try FloppyFW and Freesco, they fit on a floppy and can handle pretty much anything including PPPoE |
| 20:03.08 | silverton | shingouz, actually, I just need something to catch a signal from a wireless router, and pass it to my network :x |
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| 20:03.28 | EmleyMoor | Damn - of course that doesn't contain it |
| 20:03.47 | Bac9 | is it just my imagination or is next release of woody out? it just updated |
| 20:04.01 | jair_11 | streuner, yes I have KDE as a WM |
| 20:04.06 | shingouz | silverton: you probably do not need somethign as feature packed as ipcop then |
| 20:04.13 | EvilSporkMan | i recently experienced failure to boot on both windows and linux on a system - windows got to the XP splash screen and then crashed, and linux coughed up a bunch of DriveNotReady SeekComplete errors and then proceeded to fail a fsck. I repartitioned the drive and reinstalled debian (a windows XP CD was not available at the time), and am now experiencing a "request sense failure" on boot. Could this be anything other than a fail |
| 20:04.13 | EvilSporkMan | ing hard drive that needs to be replaced? |
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| 20:04.42 | Blissex | EvilSporkMan: it could be extremely high neutrino fluxes :-) |
| 20:04.44 | silverton | oh wait! crap, I'd need a PCI slot, and I just realized that the 486's I have, don't have one :( |
| 20:04.46 | Chrissy2k5 | hey can anyone help me with this .. when i type dpkg-reconfigure tcl8.4 ... i get > update-menus[2451]: Script /etc/menu-methods/translate_menus returned error status 1. |
| 20:04.50 | valdyn | Bac9: looks like it |
| 20:05.00 | jim | EvilSporkMan: failing... power? failing... ummm.... cable? failing... controller? |
| 20:05.01 | streuner | jair_11: well, did you look in Preferences of kcontrol about timezone? |
| 20:05.02 | Ferret | It could be two amazingly coincidental instances of drive corruption through faulty software. |
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| 20:05.28 | Ferret | Oh, bad cable, like that one. o.o |
| 20:05.34 | EvilSporkMan | jim: ick...i take it i should open the thing up and swap cables and try this whole fiasco again? |
| 20:06.01 | EvilSporkMan | jim: of course, it's worth the trouble since it's actually a friend's computer and I'd hate to cost them money without fixing the problem |
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| 20:06.21 | martinus | hi |
| 20:06.38 | martinus | is here a german channel ? |
| 20:06.51 | streuner | martinus: #debian.de |
| 20:06.54 | Gathond_ | no, this is an english channel |
| 20:06.55 | jim | martinus: type /msg dpkg de |
| 20:07.04 | tosh | EvilSporkMan in my experience and to my knowledge: seekcomplete errors is faulty DMA or the disk is broken |
| 20:07.14 | streuner | martinus: /msg nickserv help |
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| 20:08.01 | jim | EvilSporkMan: did you say before you tried a different drive? |
| 20:08.04 | Cyanophytes | how can I make a dir readable and writable by everyone? |
| 20:08.23 | jim | Cyanophytes: info fileutils |
| 20:08.23 | streuner | Cyanophytes: man chmod |
| 20:08.24 | silverton | chmod 777 /place/you/want/to/make/accessable/to/everyone |
| 20:08.24 | Segers_J | Cyanophytes: man chmod |
| 20:08.28 | silverton | oops |
| 20:08.28 | silverton | right |
| 20:08.30 | silverton | man chmod |
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| 20:08.34 | silverton | what I said was wrong.... |
| 20:08.38 | silverton | >.< |
| 20:08.42 | jim | well |
| 20:08.54 | EmleyMoor | I want to set up my wireless network at boot time - but need wpa_supplicant running in order to do this - all attempts so far have proven fruitless, though I can take the interface down as it is now and bring it up with wpa_supplicant - can anyone advise on how I get that to work as default? |
| 20:08.57 | silverton | jim...shhhh!! I know it's right... |
| 20:09.09 | jim | it would be nice to encourage independence... but it's ok either way |
| 20:09.12 | EvilSporkMan | tosh: thanks |
| 20:09.23 | silverton | jim, I'm just used to blurting out answers :x |
| 20:09.25 | silverton | when I know them at least |
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| 20:09.35 | EvilSporkMan | jim: no, i just don't want to go to the trouble of buying a known good drive when the drive is actually fine |
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| 20:09.45 | jair_11 | streuner, I will check right now |
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| 20:10.05 | Chrissy2k5 | hey can anyone help me with this .. when i type dpkg-reconfigure tcl8.4 ... i get > update-menus[2451]: Script /etc/menu-methods/translate_menus returned error status 1. |
| 20:10.45 | Cyanophytes | silverton: thanks |
| 20:10.45 | Gumby | is .xiniitrc the proper place to have programs I want to start when a user logs in? Or is there somewhere else I should be putting it. |
| 20:11.07 | streuner | Chrissy2k5: what does BTS say? |
| 20:11.07 | silverton | Cyanophytes, yup ^_^ |
| 20:11.09 | Blissex | Gumby: depends on how you start X. Look also at '~/.xsession' |
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| 20:11.25 | Chrissy2k5 | BTS ?¿ |
| 20:11.25 | streuner | Chrissy2k5: status 1 is surely that a file or symlink doesn't exist... |
| 20:11.31 | streuner | !bts |
| 20:11.31 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:11.35 | Chrissy2k5 | the file does exist :| |
| 20:11.40 | Gumby | Blissex: the users sessions are started via kdm |
| 20:11.42 | ideafix | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.51 | EmleyMoor | Are you sure it's that file? |
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| 20:11.59 | ermo | :P |
| 20:12.07 | jair_11 | streuner, apparentely fixed ;) |
| 20:12.08 | PRO1 | hey guys |
| 20:12.18 | jim | EvilSporkMan: ok, if you've eliminated hardware as being the problem, I guess you could try software solutions... but it seems like the drive is exhibiting hardware failures of one kind or another (note, it's possible that these indications could be the result of a seek beyond the end of the drive resulting from a corrupted pointer to that "place") |
| 20:12.20 | ideafix | hey filthy bastards |
| 20:12.20 | jair_11 | streuner, I will have to check after the machine boots |
| 20:12.33 | jair_11 | streuner, I have a R51 IBM laptop |
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| 20:12.58 | Chrissy2k5 | he file is definately there |
| 20:13.00 | Chrissy2k5 | the* |
| 20:13.14 | streuner | Chrissy2k5: so look at BTS |
| 20:13.33 | Chrissy2k5 | bugs.debian.org ?¿ |
| 20:13.44 | jair_11 | streuner, and I has been tried "poweroff" "shutdown -h now" and the machine log out, looks like is off but I disconnect the electric cable and the battery is still running as well the fan? |
| 20:13.48 | EvilSporkMan | jim: i haven't eliminated hardware, i'm just a bit young and worried i'm being too quick to blame the drive |
| 20:14.06 | jair_11 | streuner, it looks like the command is not turning off the machine completely? |
| 20:14.09 | Xteven | hello, does anyone have experience with lirc and smc_ircc ? |
| 20:14.20 | silverton | GAH! |
| 20:14.22 | Segers_J | Chrissy2k5: he's saying that it may be a known issue with a known workaround that noone HERE knows. |
| 20:14.25 | jair_11 | I did not try "halt" by itself yet |
| 20:14.25 | silverton | why can't I connect to my wifi router?~! |
| 20:14.37 | Chrissy2k5 | Oh ok Cool |
| 20:14.43 | Blissex | Gumby: then use '~/.xsession' |
| 20:14.43 | ideafix | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.51 | schneiderj | I have an ATI radeon 9550 and debian said that the device 4173 is unkown. What I have to do ? |
| 20:15.11 | Blissex | schneiderj: which Debian edition are you using? |
| 20:15.22 | schneiderj | I have the last sarge |
| 20:15.56 | Gumby | Blissex: cool, thank you. I'll give it a shot |
| 20:16.17 | streuner | Chrissy2k5: what do you want in tcl8.4 anyway? |
| 20:16.24 | streuner | Chrissy2k5: configure |
| 20:16.36 | jair_11 | Blissex, how can I make that my laptop turn off completely when I finish the sesion? |
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| 20:17.13 | jair_11 | Blissex, I tried before "shutdown -h now", "poweroff" but still on the battery and the fan |
| 20:17.14 | shingouz | jair_11: with apmd (or acpi if oyu have a pretty new laptop) |
| 20:17.31 | streuner | jair_11: ACPM |
| 20:17.33 | shingouz | ah |
| 20:17.35 | jair_11 | shingouz, is a pretty new laptop |
| 20:17.44 | jair_11 | shingouz, it is a R51 IBM |
| 20:18.04 | streuner | !apm |
| 20:18.04 | dpkg | methinks apm is Advanced Power Management. |
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| 20:18.09 | Segers_J | jair_11: get a mac. |
| 20:18.15 | streuner | haha |
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| 20:18.24 | jair_11 | I remember that when I was installing sarge, I get a question about something like that I installed using "expert26" command |
| 20:18.30 | pipeline | Segers_J: An R51 is pretty doggone nice :P |
| 20:18.36 | jair_11 | Segers_J, never |
| 20:18.41 | schneiderj | So with my ATI what I have to do to have a resolution grater that 800*600 |
| 20:18.52 | jair_11 | pipeline, hey how are you doing? |
| 20:19.06 | jair_11 | I have Macs sorry |
| 20:19.07 | streuner | schneiderj: rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:19.11 | jair_11 | but is the true |
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| 20:19.29 | schneiderj | OK thank I will try !! |
| 20:19.49 | jair_11 | pipeline, remember the priter issue |
| 20:19.57 | jair_11 | pipeline, was set all done |
| 20:20.01 | jair_11 | pipeline, fixed |
| 20:20.24 | ideafix | why hasnt decian moved away from xfree86 onto xorg ? |
| 20:20.31 | ideafix | debian |
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| 20:20.35 | anhi | ... |
| 20:20.37 | jair_11 | pipeline, but now I can print duplex in the FC3 machine but in the debian sarge only print one side? |
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| 20:21.03 | shingouz | !tell ideafix about xorg |
| 20:21.04 | jair_11 | and I check the ppd files and they are identical but the FC3 prints dupley with no problem. |
| 20:21.05 | wyse | i'm having some terminal issues... anyone here have experience using a wyse terminal on debian? |
| 20:21.06 | jair_11 | weird |
| 20:21.07 | anhi | ideafix: will move after sarge release. until then you can use ubuntu packages for xorg (as i do) |
| 20:21.09 | Gh0sty | ideafix: see mailinglist about that (just ask google :p ) |
| 20:21.12 | jim | ideafix: ask branden |
| 20:21.13 | wyse | wyse termianl via serial port, WY-60 to be exact |
| 20:21.22 | debusr | How to install debian on nForce2 with Serial Ata ? |
| 20:21.32 | anhi | i run the ubuntu xorg on my debian/sid, works like a charm |
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| 20:21.50 | Gh0sty | anhi, how you do that? :s |
| 20:21.52 | streuner | anhi: you are talking crap |
| 20:21.58 | anhi | OS: Debian/SID / Kernel: 2.6.11-ck3 / Xorg: X Window System Version 6.8.2 |
| 20:22.06 | ideafix | anhi can kiss my sorry arse |
| 20:22.08 | myren | is there some scientific classification for a Sun which is more likely to support life? |
| 20:22.11 | streuner | anhi: those packages aren't supported in debian |
| 20:22.23 | schneiderj | I have an to tell that my cars is PCI or ISA, but mine is AGP What I have to do ? |
| 20:22.41 | jim | anhi: how did you install xorg? |
| 20:22.48 | streuner | anhi: you don't want install other packages from another distro, they are NOT supported by debian |
| 20:22.51 | myren | ubuntu xorg seems to work well enough on my laptop and desktop |
| 20:22.59 | schneiderj | from the installatio of debian |
| 20:23.00 | anhi | streuner: it works... |
| 20:23.01 | myren | dont listen to these heathens |
| 20:23.11 | jdhutchin1 | it works, but don't ask us when it doesn't |
| 20:23.14 | wyse | if he wants to potentially break his system, that's jhis right |
| 20:23.34 | myren | jdhutchin1: exactly. bitch at ubuntu but dont tell em its actualyl debian either. |
| 20:24.07 | jim | running anything is his right, installing anything. it's just that here, they reserve the right to refuse service to anyone |
| 20:24.12 | streuner | Imagine xorg is biiigggg, you are running almost 50 % of packages which are not debian then... |
| 20:24.14 | Gh0sty | i rather want to know when sarge will become stable?? |
| 20:24.20 | anhi | jim: setting the default distro to "Hoary", add the ubuntu sources, apt them, set back the distro and remove the ubuntu sources and you're done |
| 20:24.28 | ideafix | i just got ubuntu iso and im ready to deply the payload |
| 20:24.30 | takatumi | s/dar/far |
| 20:24.36 | ideafix | deploy |
| 20:24.39 | Gh0sty | they were all like next month its out, now we're like a half year further ... |
| 20:24.44 | takatumi | however install at your own risk. |
| 20:24.51 | schneiderj | jim : does I have to reinstall xorg |
| 20:24.54 | jim | anhi: does that cause need to get different (say) libc? |
| 20:24.54 | streuner | takatumi: well, you are lucky then |
| 20:25.08 | jim | schneiderj: no idea/no clue |
| 20:25.14 | anhi | jim: nope, worked perfectly fine for me (sid) |
| 20:25.24 | tra1a1a | does anyone know the parameters of /dev/nfs? |
| 20:25.28 | streuner | schneiderj: see, that's what you got then... |
| 20:25.29 | schneiderj | what can you propose ? |
| 20:25.31 | anhi | no problems whatsoever till now |
| 20:25.32 | Xenguy | anhi: that sounds like a very risky idea |
| 20:25.33 | streuner | s/got/get/ |
| 20:25.50 | doublehp | whats that film which came out in Europe 2 weeks ago with Nicolas Cage ? sth like the prisoner, or the hostage ? |
| 20:26.00 | TheZanke | is there a way to set an ip address in debian instead of it changing everyday? |
| 20:26.01 | anhi | Xenguy: doing it since 6.8.1-1 and now i'm at 6.8.2-10, works perfectly |
| 20:26.10 | jim | tra1a1a: (1) see (kernel source)/Documentation/devices.txt; (2) why would there be a /dev/nfs? |
| 20:26.17 | ideafix | national gold ? |
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| 20:26.23 | Xenguy | anhi: yer talking about just a kernel then? |
| 20:26.27 | tra1a1a | jim: diskless boot with nfs root |
| 20:26.36 | jim | oic |
| 20:26.37 | TheZanke | national treasure? |
| 20:26.38 | streuner | What the hell do you think, that some of best maintainers are working at X packages, there should be a reason? |
| 20:26.40 | Segers_J | TheZanke: that's a FAQ, read the /topic |
| 20:26.45 | anhi | Xenguy: i am talking about XOrg, that has nothing to do with the kernel |
| 20:26.53 | Xenguy | anhi: obviously |
| 20:27.02 | streuner | Why do you think, its not that easy to switch to xorg? |
| 20:27.03 | alephone | does anyone know of a web based interface for an irc server that isn't as slow as cgiirc? |
| 20:27.48 | Xenguy | anhi: I think you've got horseshoes up yer ass then, that's all I can say about that (mixing and matching Ubu and Debian at that rate is bound to break sooner or later) |
| 20:27.57 | tra1a1a | nothing in devices.txt |
| 20:28.33 | Segers_J | TheZanke: specifically: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage#head-bcd09601de4427705b6180bda7e643cc638b2ba1 |
| 20:28.34 | jim | tra1a1a: is this the kernel nfs client? |
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| 20:28.55 | glick | excuse me is there an openoffice channel or somethng? |
| 20:28.56 | anhi | Xenguy: well, it worked for a few months now and when it would stop working i'll remove xorg-common again and apt myself xfree86 or (when it's allready in testing) xorg |
| 20:29.09 | glick | i need help editing a label on a chart |
| 20:29.10 | streuner | glick: #debian-oo |
| 20:29.15 | glick | thanks |
| 20:29.25 | Xenguy | anhi: yer a braver man than I ;-) |
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| 20:30.22 | ack` | i just bought two sata hard drives and recompiled my kernel and am getting an error "VFS: cannot open root device "sda2" or unknown-block(0,0)" kernel panic: not syncing VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" what am i doing wrong |
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| 20:30.40 | glick | in open office, how can i give the X axis a range? |
| 20:30.49 | anhi | best way of course is to use the XOrg CVS, dh_make the whole thing and build your own debian package from it on a weekly base, but i'm too lazy for that |
| 20:31.07 | glick | in a chart |
| 20:31.07 | E-bola | Hello channel |
| 20:31.24 | ideafix | hello fat arse |
| 20:31.24 | E-bola | can somebody help me with my debian kernel, i installed newest 2.6.7 with apt-get |
| 20:31.29 | jim | anhi: oh, did you actually build xorg into a package which you installed? |
| 20:31.31 | Xenguy | hello flesheater ;-) |
| 20:31.39 | E-bola | but there is an error with my random number generator? |
| 20:31.45 | EmleyMoor | Can anyone tell me why I can't run wpa_supplicant before my network setup happens? |
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| 20:32.56 | anhi | jim: i had tried befor i found out about the ubuntu packages, but those attempts where not really nice and i wouldn't suggest using them (thats what we have professional package maintainers for). |
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| 20:34.01 | ideafix | any one wanna trade debian for freebsd ? |
| 20:34.03 | anhi | btw, there are ppl allready working on debian-xorg to make the switch after the sarge release, would be nice if their builds would be available to the public somehow |
| 20:34.25 | streuner | ideafix: troll somewhere else |
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| 20:34.33 | anhi | ideafix: the freebsd kernel is inside allready :P |
| 20:34.33 | ideafix | :-)P |
| 20:34.37 | Gh0sty | well thats my point, where is sarge staying?? |
| 20:34.55 | ideafix | inside ? |
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| 20:34.58 | bruno | what a good [and SIMPLE] program o draw some graphics to me? and save them as postscript !!? [excluding R and Octave] |
| 20:35.04 | glick | do you know how to do that in OO? |
| 20:35.06 | glick | anyone |
| 20:35.11 | ideafix | freebsd inside ?! |
| 20:35.14 | jim | what;s oo? |
| 20:35.14 | anhi | Gh0sty: google for this question, you'll find nearly as many hits as for "sex" |
| 20:35.26 | glick | openoffice |
| 20:35.31 | jim | ideafix: what are you here to do? |
| 20:35.41 | Gh0sty | i think debian is loosing a lot of people on this ... |
| 20:35.49 | ideafix | check things out |
| 20:35.55 | takatumi | so when can we expect an apt-git? |
| 20:36.08 | jim | ideafix: so why are you also being somewhat abusive/ |
| 20:36.15 | Gh0sty | they claim for new fast release cycles and even releasing it takes years ... |
| 20:36.27 | jdhutchin1 | debian's never claimed fast release cycles |
| 20:36.31 | jim | Gh0sty: yawn. heard it before |
| 20:36.32 | Segers_J | bruno: I like inkscape, dunno how simple you're looking for. |
| 20:36.38 | InitMass | which is the best. vim or emacs? |
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| 20:36.46 | ideafix | xemacs |
| 20:36.50 | Gh0sty | oh no? what did i read about 6 month releases? |
| 20:36.52 | Segers_J | !start an editor war |
| 20:36.52 | dpkg | xemacs is known to cause ulcers |
| 20:37.28 | InitMass | Segers_J, what does that command do? |
| 20:37.30 | tra1a1a | InitMass: the one you like more |
| 20:37.40 | bruno | Segers_J: I'd like to give the program the equation and it draws to me the curve |
| 20:37.44 | Segers_J | InitMass: IMHO, whichever you learn first is the best for you |
| 20:37.45 | anhi | ideafix: http://debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
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| 20:37.59 | InitMass | tra1a1a, which is most like nano? |
| 20:38.02 | atrus | Gh0sty: i don't think debian's ever claimed 6 month releases. Ubuntu does. |
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| 20:38.26 | tra1a1a | InitMass: if I remember correctly nano is like vi |
| 20:38.28 | jim | InitMass: try em and see. I happen to like emacs for its ability to have a shell buffer... that's very handy for some debugging tasks, and you can save the result when you're done |
| 20:38.45 | JeffWilson12 | Would it be possible for me to install Debian on a USB hard drive? My USB supports booting from USB HDDs, if that's necessary |
| 20:38.53 | anhi | debian is the best base system, but many ppl just are afraid of names like "testing" and "unstable", so they move to others that offer faster "stable"'s |
| 20:38.55 | luulis | InitMass: I think vim is easier to learn but Emacs is (imho) more powerful if you're willing to spend more time to learn it |
| 20:39.01 | Segers_J | bruno: oh, the inkscape is not for you. no clue, sorry. |
| 20:39.09 | Segers_J | s/the/then/ |
| 20:39.17 | ideafix | i expect my distro instalation to endure virtually for ever |
| 20:39.24 | TheZanke | Segers_J: i can't find it |
| 20:39.42 | contrabando | bruno, doesn't gtkgraph do that? |
| 20:39.46 | jim | JeffWilson12: see if you can get lilo or grub working from the usb drive... if you can do that, I'd say yes... I'd also say people would appreciate a writeup on how you did it |
| 20:39.46 | tra1a1a | luulis: vim is everything but easy to learn. anyway we don't need an editor flame war now |
| 20:40.02 | InitMass | jim, what does that ability to have a shell buffer do? |
| 20:40.04 | EmleyMoor | When (i.e. from what script) is the network started? (sarge) |
| 20:40.05 | Segers_J | TheZanke: question 1.3 http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage |
| 20:40.19 | Overand | is anyone having trouble fetching stuff from security.deb? |
| 20:40.27 | luulis | tra1a1a: yeah not easy compared to some editors but imo easier than emacs, though i use emacs now :) |
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| 20:40.47 | jim | InitMass: you have a shell prompt, you can run shell commands, the commands can output text, everything goes into an edit buffer which you can save |
| 20:40.49 | InitMass | luulis, i don't want to spend alot of time for learning something like an editor. i only need uft8 support, search, remove whole line and editing |
| 20:40.52 | JeffWilson12 | jim: You mean it hasn't been done before? Hmm .. well if all else fails, I'll install on a regular HDD and then just copy all the files. that'll work too right? I can always install grub somehow or another. |
| 20:41.24 | jim | JeffWilson12: it sounds reasonable... I've never done it myself |
| 20:41.34 | Overand | ugh it's jsut apt-proxy again. |
| 20:41.45 | ideafix | gentoo is the best distro because you can just emerge worl every 6 moths ! |
| 20:41.47 | JeffWilson12 | jim: ah i see. well I'm only doing this so I can have portable linux. im tired of not having linux wherever I go and I can't afford a laptop.. |
| 20:41.54 | jim | InitMass: so you don't write and debug programs? |
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| 20:42.26 | tra1a1a | InitMass: both vim and emacs are very powerful and much more than you need and at least vim requires quite a lot of effords to get used to because it has two modes - command and editing - unlike any other editor that I have seen |
| 20:42.28 | schneiderj | streuner : thank you for your help... That work perfectly. I will not your recommendation |
| 20:42.34 | ideafix | i just cant get bored engough to install it |
| 20:42.36 | Overand | is apt-proxy unstable as hell, or is mine just borked somehow? |
| 20:42.36 | Segers_J | woot! the new Doctor Who episode is up on btefnet.net YEEHA! |
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| 20:43.08 | jim | yeah, I'll have to go along with that... I don't like the vi modes |
| 20:43.15 | InitMass | jim, not atm. i might start to the autumn |
| 20:43.36 | jim | emacs has these things it calls modes, but they're not the same thing |
| 20:43.54 | jim | emacs is fairly easy to get used to |
| 20:44.00 | jim | vi is not |
| 20:44.13 | tra1a1a | I agree |
| 20:44.22 | streuner | schneiderj: np |
| 20:44.31 | bruno | contrabando: i cant find a package for "gtkgraph" |
| 20:44.47 | jim | but emacs is fairly easy to get used to for the same reasons that pico, nano and other modeless editors are |
| 20:44.48 | Xenguy | jim: how does one 'delete a line' in emacs? |
| 20:44.58 | jim | ^k^k |
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| 20:45.09 | ideafix | any one here knows what happened to unix ? |
| 20:45.12 | Xenguy | jim: not so bad |
| 20:45.17 | InitMass | tra1a1a, but isn't it just to enter the edit mode and look at the file and start editing when you are at the right spot? |
| 20:45.19 | pi_ | can anyone here give me a hand in postfix smtp authentication setup? |
| 20:45.21 | JeffWilson12 | ideafix: ? |
| 20:45.40 | pi_ | I'm getting the common fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
| 20:45.41 | ideafix | is unix no more ? |
| 20:45.41 | pi_ | error |
| 20:45.53 | Xenguy | ideafix: yes. Unix is a proprietary expensive operating system that is going the way of the dodo =) |
| 20:45.57 | JeffWilson12 | ideafix: why would you ask a question such as this in a linux channel ? |
| 20:45.57 | contrabando | bruno, google for gtkgraph mate I am sure that's what it was called |
| 20:46.04 | Segers_J | ideafix: I'm running 2 different versions right now. debian sarge, and macosx |
| 20:46.09 | InitMass | jim, is there a good way to see which commands are availible in emacs like it is is possible in nano? |
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| 20:46.22 | jair_11 | anyone can recommend me a very basic good and explanatory book, web site or tutorial for DNS and DHCP on Linux? |
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| 20:46.24 | tra1a1a | InitMass: it is but getting to the right point is something that will take you some time |
| 20:46.31 | contrabando | bruno, it used to be in debian... |
| 20:46.35 | jim | Xenguy: actually you could put ^a first... explanation: moves to beginning of line, delete to end of line, delete line itself |
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| 20:46.58 | InitMass | tra1a1a, can't i use the arrows? |
| 20:47.04 | Xenguy | jim: yes, I just noticed that (you beat me to it :-) |
| 20:47.09 | jim | yes, usually |
| 20:47.24 | Xenguy | jim: so really to delete a line in emacs it is -> ^a^k |
| 20:47.28 | ideafix | isnt linux unix with a new paint job ? |
| 20:47.30 | InitMass | jim, was that post for me? |
| 20:47.33 | Chrissy2k5 | hmm i searched on bugs.debian.org but ..... when i type dpkg-reconfigure tcl8.4 ... i get > update-menus[2451]: Script /etc/menu-methods/translate_menus returned error status 1. |
| 20:47.35 | E-bola | modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting hw_random (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random.ko): No such device |
| 20:47.38 | InitMass | jim, highlight please |
| 20:47.38 | E-bola | Can anybody tell me how to fix that? ( i get it after upgrading to a 2.6 kernel with apt) |
| 20:47.41 | Overand | ugh, apt-proxy keeps just... dying on me |
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| 20:47.42 | jim | but emacs doesn't depend on the arrows being there... so it's possible that the arrows are not hooked up |
| 20:47.57 | Xenguy | ideafix: gnu/linux is free as in freedom =) |
| 20:48.00 | Segers_J | ideafix: oh, you're a troll, my bad. |
| 20:48.22 | jim | Segers_J: no, his bad :) he's being mildly abusive as well |
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| 20:48.27 | SuperSox | dpkg: wvdial? |
| 20:48.27 | dpkg | from memory, wvdial is a console dialer which requires minimal configuration: http://www.worldvisions.ca/wvdial/ |
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| 20:48.41 | racarter | can anyone help me figure out why I can't use the number pad on my keyboard? |
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| 20:48.55 | dondelelcaro | racarter: you haven't hit num lock? |
| 20:48.56 | SuperSox | humm, anyone know where wvdial is in sarge? it only seems to be available in unstable |
| 20:49.03 | racarter | yes I have |
| 20:49.04 | EmleyMoor | racarter: Is there anything special about the keyboard? |
| 20:49.05 | Segers_J | jim: yeah, but I accidentally fed him. :O |
| 20:49.05 | jim | racarter: you've hypnotized yourself into not seeing it/ |
| 20:49.06 | tra1a1a | InitMass: in some cases. however if you have long lines or many lines than the arrows will be too slow and then you need to switch to command mode and use the commands for moving around |
| 20:49.10 | jim | ? |
| 20:49.20 | ideafix | lib_erty |
| 20:49.24 | racarter | it's wireless |
| 20:49.30 | racarter | and it's connected to a cheap kvm switch |
| 20:49.59 | rizzy | Does anyone know what 'APIC error on CPU0: 08(08)' means. THis is happening during boot. |
| 20:50.01 | dondelelcaro | !info wvdial sarge |
| 20:50.18 | tra1a1a | do the wireless NICs support netboot? |
| 20:50.38 | jim | rizzy: throw that error message into google, maybe something will come of it |
| 20:50.54 | racarter | godamnit, why do they put terms of endearment after a baseball game? |
| 20:50.56 | Gathond_ | rizzy: do your CPU have an APIC?, it might just be the kernel attempting to activate support and failing |
| 20:50.56 | dondelelcaro | SuperSox: it was removed because of an IRC bug. See http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=wvdial |
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| 20:51.02 | schneiderj | I have a netgear wireless card, the driver is installed, the hardware is detected, but I can't detect the network. Why ? |
| 20:51.08 | racarter | why would you follow up a baseball game with terms of endearment |
| 20:51.17 | racarter | isn't the whole point to keep the audience you have? |
| 20:51.19 | rizzy | Gathond_: It shouldn't be a problem. Its been working fine until I shut it down last night. |
| 20:51.20 | jim | racarter: because baseball players are likable/ |
| 20:51.20 | jackah | hi, i would need help in pv for installing php working w/ apache please |
| 20:51.21 | jim | ? |
| 20:51.27 | SuperSox | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 20:51.34 | dondelelcaro | s/IRC/RC/ |
| 20:51.36 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 289236 |
| 20:51.40 | dpkg | #289236:S[wvdial] FTBFS with libwvstreams 4.0.1-1.1 (fixed, patch) Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:33:02 UTC |
| 20:51.42 | dondelelcaro | SuperSox: ^^^ |
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| 20:51.59 | racarter | I can't use my number pad |
| 20:52.03 | a_monkey | i'm bored. can somebody please recommend one of the most addictive games they know? |
| 20:52.06 | SuperSox | ty dondelelcaro :) |
| 20:52.08 | jim | racarter: why? |
| 20:52.10 | rizzy | Gathond_: Now it won't boot, and the power is flakey. Only thing I can think of is power supply is not happy. |
| 20:52.11 | SuperSox | a_monkey: SuperTux ! |
| 20:52.16 | racarter | that's what I'm trying to find out |
| 20:52.19 | jackah | www.i-am-bored.com |
| 20:52.30 | Nwallins | i'm having trouble with libapache-mod-fastcgi.. the debian package didn't come with a README.Debian or anything.. how can I verify that it is installed correctly |
| 20:52.32 | dondelelcaro | a_monkey: nethack |
| 20:52.32 | a_monkey | SuperSox: i love that game! i finished it though |
| 20:52.48 | SuperSox | a_monkey: I haven't finished it yet :o |
| 20:52.50 | jackah | hi, i would need help in pv for installing php working w/ apache please |
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| 20:53.08 | dondelelcaro | jackah: we don't do private help sessions. Just ask your question. |
| 20:53.11 | a_monkey | is Xevil any good? |
| 20:53.12 | jackah | ok |
| 20:53.18 | schneiderj | can somebody give me the way to install my wireless connexion ? |
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| 20:53.47 | Overand | Ok, let me ask again... is anyone having trouble hitting secuity.debian.org? |
| 20:53.49 | dondelelcaro | schneiderj: load the driver for your wireless card. Set up /etc/network/interfaces; that's it. |
| 20:53.49 | EmleyMoor | schneiderj: What is the interface type? |
| 20:53.56 | FieldySnuts | Overand: no |
| 20:54.01 | tra1a1a | schneiderj: /msg dpkg wireless |
| 20:54.02 | Overand | I can't tell if my issue is an apt-proxy issue or an issue with the debian mirrors or what |
| 20:54.06 | jackah | i am not able to make my browser @recognize@ a .php web page, can some1 tell me what to do please |
| 20:54.09 | schneiderj | how can I setup |
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| 20:54.19 | Nwallins | Overand: maybe if you spell it, security.debian.org ? |
| 20:54.20 | jim | Nwallins: it probably is installed properly... check your apache config to see if it loads it |
| 20:54.25 | jackah | sorry for @, it is " |
| 20:54.34 | dondelelcaro | jackah: you either 1) Haven't loaded the php4 module 2) Don't have an AddType in your config 3) Your mime.types file is screwed. |
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| 20:54.39 | Overand | heh |
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| 20:54.39 | EmleyMoor | Overand: Are you sure you are spelling "security" correctly? |
| 20:55.02 | Nwallins | jim: erm.. what would my apache config tell me? |
| 20:55.18 | jim | if the module is being loaded |
| 20:55.18 | jackah | i have an AddType but it tell me an error in syntax |
| 20:55.19 | silverton | :'( |
| 20:55.22 | racarter | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/X0-config.keyboard -- could this file be the problem? |
| 20:55.32 | streuner | hm |
| 20:55.36 | dondelelcaro | praise jeeebus. The real problem has surfaced. |
| 20:55.43 | dondelelcaro | jackah: paste the output into #flood |
| 20:55.44 | streuner | :-) |
| 20:56.05 | schneiderj | I try /msg dpkg but I have an answer that the msg did not exist |
| 20:56.23 | streuner | schneiderj: what factoid? |
| 20:56.30 | Nwallins | jim: I added an IfModule mod_fastcgi.c directive by hand |
| 20:56.36 | racarter | my number pad is still not working |
| 20:56.42 | schneiderj | its a netgear |
| 20:56.44 | streuner | !wireless |
| 20:56.44 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux |
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| 20:56.46 | silverton | omg! |
| 20:56.48 | jim | Nwallins: if the module is being loaded... but more directly, if there exists a statement in that file to cause the module to be loaded |
| 20:56.50 | silverton | the kernel compiling failed! |
| 20:56.53 | jim | by hand? |
| 20:57.08 | Cyanophytes | After starting KDE and loging out then trying to start KDE again it won't start and I have to reboot. What could cause this |
| 20:57.09 | racarter | wait a minute, let me check something.. nope still not working |
| 20:57.12 | dondelelcaro | racarter: that's great. Have you checked it using xev; to see if the keypress events are showing up? Do you have the right keyboard mapping? Does it work if numlock isn't selected? |
| 20:57.12 | Nwallins | yeah, i edited httpd.conf |
| 20:57.14 | Overand | Ok, how do i get netstat to show me what processes are using what ports? |
| 20:57.17 | shaggy_ | is there an easy, debian-way thing I can do to get forwarding/NAT going on between my wireless card and my wired-nic? |
| 20:57.18 | Segers_J | racarter: let it get evicted, if it won't work or pay rent, screw it. ;) |
| 20:57.20 | jim | you shouldn't have to do that by hand |
| 20:57.30 | Overand | nevermind |
| 20:57.32 | dondelelcaro | Overand: man netstat; |
| 20:57.33 | Nwallins | jim: after apt-get install, there was nothing in httpd.conf referencing fastcgi |
| 20:57.39 | racarter | doesn't work regardless of numlock, let me try the other stuff |
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| 20:57.48 | Nwallins | jim: should i try to reconfigure? |
| 20:57.52 | dondelelcaro | shaggy_: apt-get install ipmasq; that's a pretty simple way. |
| 20:57.55 | jim | shaggy_L maybe install the package ipmasq (once the network interfaces are configured and up) |
| 20:57.59 | `DanN` | is the raid in 2.6.x kernels stable ? |
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| 20:58.08 | `DanN` | on SATA disks |
| 20:58.09 | jim | Nwallins: you could try that |
| 20:58.10 | Overand | dondelelcaro: yeah i figured it out, not rocket science. |
| 20:58.14 | shaggy_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 20:58.26 | Overand | just sucks to read on an 80x25 console on a TV... |
| 20:58.27 | Nwallins | what is that package supposed to add/change in httpd.conf? |
| 20:58.30 | jim | Nwallins: as you're guessing, it makes sense |
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| 20:58.53 | jim | Nwallins: a command to load the module, at least |
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| 20:58.57 | Overand | unofrunately, nobody wants to help me figure out getting my WYSE terminal to work on this box,h eh |
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| 20:59.25 | Nwallins | jim: ok, i was confused because debian apache comes with mod_rewrite and there is nothing in httpd.conf mentioning mod_rewrite |
| 20:59.36 | Nwallins | iirc |
| 20:59.37 | silverton | okay...debian...on this other computer...is starting to royally piss me off |
| 20:59.43 | racarter | alright, I typed xev from the command line and things show up when I press buttons on the number pad |
| 20:59.54 | racarter | as it is right now, hitting numbers on the keyboard move the mouse |
| 20:59.58 | jim | Overand: minicom is your friend if you're connecting it using serial communication |
| 21:00.07 | racarter | with numlock on or off |
| 21:00.12 | jim | overand: you have to get the serial communication working |
| 21:00.35 | Overand | i've got the serial communicatio nworking |
| 21:00.40 | Delph | racarter: shift-numlock ? |
| 21:00.42 | Overand | it's just a matter of terminal settings |
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| 21:00.45 | silverton | OMG! |
| 21:00.48 | ideafix | i got a serial communication error |
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| 21:00.49 | silverton | stupid piece of shit |
| 21:00.50 | FieldySnuts | @lart silverton |
| 21:00.55 | Overand | i can *use* it, everything just works somewhat wrong |
| 21:00.58 | racarter | yes! |
| 21:01.01 | silverton | good for you... |
| 21:01.04 | Xenguy | !lart silverton |
| 21:01.12 | racarter | shift-numlock works thank you |
| 21:01.13 | Nwallins | jim: after dpkg-reconfigure, there are still no module additions to httpd.conf |
| 21:01.13 | Delph | racarter: that'll be £250 please =:) |
| 21:01.23 | racarter | put it on my tab |
| 21:01.26 | silverton | ..... |
| 21:01.35 | silverton | eth0 isn't keeping the fucking address I'm assigning it |
| 21:01.45 | jim | Nwallins: ok, not sure why that would be unless they have a different mechanism for loadign modules |
| 21:01.55 | racarter | um, what's the package name of a gui program that will let me switch between desktop managers? |
| 21:01.55 | ideafix | silverton disable dhcp |
| 21:01.58 | racarter | if such a thing exists |
| 21:02.02 | Nwallins | dpkg-reconfigure did have me restart apache though |
| 21:02.05 | silverton | I don't have3 dhcp installed |
| 21:02.09 | Overand | jim: I get the old ^H problem in *some* programs, and even though getty is running expecting VT100, and the terminal is set to VT100, a *lot* of apps generate soem really ugly junk on the terminal, like... oh, ANYTHING curses |
| 21:02.18 | silverton | it has a static IP, and I'm trying to assign it a different one |
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| 21:02.23 | Rickdangerous | Nwallins, look in /etc/apache2/conf.d/ (if it's apach2) |
| 21:02.28 | m00p | silverton: do you have dhclient running |
| 21:02.33 | takatumi | silverton: how are you assigning one? |
| 21:02.33 | Nwallins | nah, apache 1.3... thanks though |
| 21:02.35 | ideafix | man ifconfig |
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| 21:03.03 | Nwallins | aha! there is a modules.conf duh |
| 21:03.04 | silverton | m00p, no |
| 21:03.11 | silverton | takatumi, with the "network settings" window |
| 21:03.11 | jim | Overand: ok, so the serial is already working, and you have a getty on the serial port, and the serial speed is set properly and all this happens at boot? |
| 21:03.30 | silverton | and whenever I try to deactivate and reactivate, it freezes |
| 21:03.32 | Overand | jim: yes, it's in my inittab |
| 21:03.36 | Overand | i can log in and use the terminal |
| 21:03.40 | Nwallins | jim, Rickdangerous: but there is no fastcgi in modules.conf |
| 21:03.42 | silverton | and it asks me if I want to tell the developers or restart the application |
| 21:03.42 | Overand | but some stuff displays really, really wrong |
| 21:04.00 | takatumi | silverton: which network settings window? |
| 21:04.06 | Overand | the envyronment variable TERM=VT100 |
| 21:04.14 | Overand | and on the WY-60 terminal, it's set to be a VT-100 |
| 21:04.23 | silverton | under gnome applications -> System Tools -> Networking |
| 21:04.24 | jim | Overand: why not use TERM=wyse? |
| 21:04.39 | Overand | will try that |
| 21:04.47 | jim | or look for the right emu |
| 21:04.56 | Overand | if i just SET TERM=WYSE , will i have to spawn a new instance of bash, or what? |
| 21:05.06 | Overand | ie when does that 'refresh' ? |
| 21:05.09 | jim | not sure |
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| 21:05.11 | takatumi | silverton: tried man 5 interfaces? |
| 21:05.12 | Overand | or does any started app just look at it |
| 21:05.13 | Overand | yeah |
| 21:05.13 | jim | maybe reset is enough |
| 21:05.20 | Overand | reset aka reboot? |
| 21:05.24 | jim | no |
| 21:05.28 | jim | it's a command |
| 21:05.30 | silverton | takatumi, I have no clue what that is |
| 21:05.37 | Overand | oh |
| 21:05.38 | Overand | heh |
| 21:05.38 | jim | but you migth not need to do that |
| 21:05.45 | takatumi | silverton: get one. |
| 21:06.10 | Nwallins | is there any way to confirm that apt-get install libapache-mod-fastcgi ought to add an entry to /etc/apache/modules.conf ? |
| 21:06.22 | FieldySnuts | diff? |
| 21:06.25 | jim | silverton: you can read that document to find out how to write a properly formed interfaces fiule |
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| 21:06.40 | Nwallins | it's not adding an entry in my case.. i want to know if it is *supposed* to |
| 21:06.54 | Overand | well, term=wyse sure didn't help |
| 21:07.05 | silverton | jim, I just did |
| 21:07.17 | silverton | I typed /etc/init.d/ifupdown restart |
| 21:07.25 | silverton | and once again, it's IP is back to what I don't want it to be |
| 21:07.35 | jim | silverton: you can also do things like ifup eth0 |
| 21:07.52 | silverton | gah! FINALLY! |
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| 21:08.08 | jim | finally what? :P |
| 21:08.14 | silverton | it worked... |
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| 21:08.28 | jim | what was the problem? |
| 21:08.49 | silverton | I dunno, I typed ifup eth0 and the IP changed to what I wanted it to be |
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| 21:09.12 | jim | is there an "auto eth0" in your interfaces file? |
| 21:09.31 | Overand | interesting. setting term=wyse turns the local keyclick on the terminal on |
| 21:09.37 | silverton | jim, yes |
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| 21:09.46 | Overand | also completely scrambles the display =] |
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| 21:10.07 | shelby_ | okay |
| 21:10.29 | shelby_ | and no, my name isn't shelby... >.< this is going to be my girlfriends computer |
| 21:10.35 | jim | hmm... silverton: do you think that something else is causing the address to change after some period of time? |
| 21:10.40 | takatumi | it is breeding. |
| 21:10.43 | kombi | php's setlocale doesn't seem to work on this box, what might be wrong? |
| 21:10.43 | shelby_ | I'm having an issues compiling the kernel on this junk heap |
| 21:11.03 | shelby_ | jim, nothing was chaning the IP after a period of time, it just wasn't changing period |
| 21:11.17 | kombi | locales are installed |
| 21:11.20 | jim | shelby_: then you can use a different computer running debian to compile the kernel and build a package out of it |
| 21:11.31 | takatumi | silverton: why are you compiling kernels? |
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| 21:11.45 | kombi | I was going to ask the same.. |
| 21:11.47 | shelby_ | takatumi, this is a k6-2 processor, and I want the 2.6.11 kernel running on it |
| 21:11.51 | king_dan | hey, i'm having problems with lilo, it ignores everything i've put in /etc/lilo.conf and carries on anyway booting the same kernel |
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| 21:12.07 | pipeline | shelby_: Don't bother. Install the kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 package. |
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| 21:12.09 | shelby_ | jim, I don't think my other computer will have any more luck compiling a kernel either, I've tried before, and failed |
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| 21:12.18 | shelby_ | pipeline, why the 686 ? |
| 21:12.28 | kombi | shelby_: can't compile if you can't compile |
| 21:12.29 | jim | shelby_: failed for the same reason? |
| 21:12.32 | Nwallins | can I put something inside <IfModule mod_fastcgi.c> in httpd.conf to verify that the module is loading? |
| 21:12.43 | shelby_ | jim, no, this computer made it farther then my other one |
| 21:12.54 | pipeline | shelby_: It's optimized for the k6 |
| 21:13.00 | jim | how much ram do each have? |
| 21:13.02 | EmleyMoor | I'm stgill having masses of problems getting my wireless interface working using wpa_supplicant to handle the security... is there a proper, Debianised, guide to this or can anyone direct me? |
| 21:13.04 | shelby_ | pipeline, oh... |
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| 21:13.08 | shelby_ | jim, they both have 512MB |
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| 21:13.16 | jim | that's plenty |
| 21:13.18 | pipeline | shelby_: The k6-2 is like a really fast pentium pro :P |
| 21:13.24 | shelby_ | except, this one is a bit slower.... |
| 21:13.27 | Overand | tset kinda helps, but barely |
| 21:13.34 | shelby_ | 450mhz, compared to my 2GHz |
| 21:13.39 | kombi | anyone had issues with setlocale on sarge? |
| 21:13.46 | jim | shelby_, tried running memtest86 on them? |
| 21:13.49 | shelby_ | pipeline, oh okay, thank you very much :) |
| 21:13.52 | shelby_ | jim, no... |
| 21:14.12 | jim | is the machine actually crashing on compiles? |
| 21:14.19 | shelby_ | but, if it helps, I get a bunch of errors due to 'DRM' |
| 21:14.22 | jim | dead lockup useful as a rock? |
| 21:14.26 | shelby_ | the machine doesn't crash |
| 21:14.34 | shelby_ | the compilings just error out |
| 21:14.54 | jim | gcc --version |
| 21:14.56 | takatumi | shelby_: what error? |
| 21:14.58 | kombi | shelby_: that might be the kernel's configuratoin though |
| 21:15.20 | shelby_ | cc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8) |
| 21:15.34 | shelby_ | takatumi, a whole screen full and more |
| 21:15.43 | takatumi | shelby_: are you compiling with make-kpkg? |
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| 21:15.50 | shelby_ | kombi, it's basically the default kernel config, cept I changed processor arch's |
| 21:15.53 | shelby_ | takatumi, yes |
| 21:16.09 | kombi | maybe you should let us know about the error more |
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| 21:16.25 | shelby_ | kombi, I'd paste it, but like... I'd get kicked for flooding |
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| 21:16.30 | takatumi | shelby_: which kernel-source? |
| 21:16.34 | kombi | damn right.. |
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| 21:16.39 | shelby_ | takatumi, kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 21:16.43 | kombi | what does it say in short? |
| 21:16.49 | jim | yeah, and note, it's not the one coming from make |
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| 21:17.04 | takatumi | shelby_: you could try a vanilla 2.6.11.7 from kernel.org |
| 21:17.20 | kombi | or a nice 2.6.10 |
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| 21:17.31 | jim | shelby_: do you see exists /boot/Config-*? |
| 21:17.44 | kombi | huh? |
| 21:17.52 | shelby_ | kombi, a lot of stuff about not being able to find shit it needs, stuff about being "previously defined here", |
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| 21:18.16 | kombi | shelby_: what shit? |
| 21:18.24 | shelby_ | jim, config-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 21:18.30 | takatumi | shelby_: you are probably doing some make-kpkg step wrong. |
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| 21:18.54 | shelby_ | kombi, I have no clue, it's all a foreign language to me, but from the sounds of it, it isn't finding stuff it needs |
| 21:18.59 | kombi | are you in the right dir? |
| 21:19.13 | lef | what's the php package for apache2 on sarge? |
| 21:19.19 | shelby_ | takatumi, I'm following this, "/usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 21:19.20 | jim | shelby_: one thing, you could try a -k6 |
| 21:19.31 | kombi | apt-cache search php |
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| 21:19.39 | shelby_ | jim, the last -k6 kernel I can find is a 2.4 kernel |
| 21:19.48 | jim | ok |
| 21:19.49 | lef | kombi: have tried that |
| 21:20.08 | kombi | or apache |
| 21:20.13 | jim | shelby_: go into the kernel src dir, and type: make mrproper |
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| 21:20.31 | Nwallins | lef: apt-cache search php | grep apache2 |
| 21:20.42 | shelby_ | jim, okay, trying it |
| 21:20.54 | kombi | why does php's setlocale not work here (damn)... |
| 21:20.55 | lef | kombi: ok, I got it searching for apache2 :) |
| 21:20.57 | shelby_ | jim, *ding*...it's done >.< |
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| 21:21.11 | jim | shelby_: then copy config-2.6.8-1-386 to (your kernel src dir)/.config |
| 21:21.12 | steve_ | how do i kill the xserver? |
| 21:21.24 | kombi | killall |
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| 21:21.29 | jim | then run make oldconfig |
| 21:21.46 | jim | kombi: sounds like a metallica solution :P |
| 21:21.47 | pi_ | argh |
| 21:21.57 | jim | piargh? |
| 21:21.58 | Overand | ok |
| 21:21.59 | kombi | jim: I love that band |
| 21:22.02 | Overand | this is getting REALLY FRUSTRATING |
| 21:22.09 | Overand | my two options for research or using this computer are: |
| 21:22.15 | kombi | jim: or even killall -9 |
| 21:22.19 | Overand | 80x24 terminal on a TV (see: blur central) |
| 21:22.24 | shelby_ | jim, okay, I'm trying it |
| 21:22.31 | Overand | or a WY-60 terminal that completely mangles all advanced foramtting |
| 21:22.41 | shelby_ | jim, it's asking me questions... :-/ |
| 21:22.46 | jim | shelby_: you'll be answering some questions :) let us know when you're dong |
| 21:22.49 | jim | done |
| 21:22.56 | kombi | done.. |
| 21:22.59 | shelby_ | jim, Local version - append to kernel release (LOCALVERSION) [] (NEW) |
| 21:23.03 | shelby_ | what the hell do I type to that? |
| 21:23.15 | EmleyMoor | shelby_: That's unimportant |
| 21:23.34 | shelby_ | EmleyMoor, that doesn't really help |
| 21:23.34 | jim | say |
| 21:23.35 | jim | y |
| 21:23.38 | shelby_ | okay |
| 21:23.40 | takatumi | add shelby-kern-duh-0.1 |
| 21:23.44 | Overand | and my apt-proxy is still hosed. ::fumes:: |
| 21:23.49 | njan | hmm.. I've just switched a debian (stable) system over to using ~/Maildir for mail rather than /var/mail/, and I've changed login.defs accordingly (MAIL_FILE and QMAIL_DIR pointing to Maildir/), but $MAIL is still set to /var/mail/$USER - anyone have any idea why? |
| 21:23.50 | jim | oh, my bad |
| 21:24.02 | Overand | I can't even do an apt-get update |
| 21:24.11 | jim | you don't need to type anything in there |
| 21:24.25 | EmleyMoor | I use -machinename-configversion.compilenumber |
| 21:24.31 | jim | it's a string it adds to some things, and it's just informational |
| 21:24.38 | kombi | someone good on locales + php? this is frustrating.. |
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| 21:24.41 | shelby_ | oh... |
| 21:25.20 | shaggy_ | I've just found a howto that says to create a file /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd... sysconfig is a redhat thing, where does this file go in Debian? |
| 21:25.43 | takatumi | kombi: tried /msg dpkg locales? |
| 21:25.48 | shaggy_ | is it just /etc? |
| 21:25.53 | kombi | not yet.. |
| 21:26.05 | jackah | i have a problem: when i run "apt-src update", it tells: "Failed to fetch file:///cdrom/dists/sarge/.......". What can i do for removing this? |
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| 21:26.10 | m00p | shaggy_: /etc/dhcp/ i think |
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| 21:26.14 | wtf | Hi. |
| 21:26.16 | shaggy_ | m00p: thanks |
| 21:26.32 | drac | jackah: comment cdrom line from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:26.35 | wtf | i have 2 hard disks in my pc.. when i want to install debian.. it says -> Partition check: |
| 21:26.36 | drac | jackah: and/or run apt-setup |
| 21:26.43 | wtf | hdc: hdc1 hdc2 <hdc> |
| 21:26.46 | wtf | hdh: ... |
| 21:26.50 | jim | shelby_: you'll have more questions probably... let us know when it's done |
| 21:26.55 | wtf | and i still wait (20 minutes) |
| 21:26.57 | jackah | drac: thanks that's what i wanted |
| 21:27.00 | shelby_ | jim, alrighty |
| 21:27.06 | EmleyMoor | wtf: Have you partitioned hdh yet? |
| 21:27.16 | shelby_ | jim, isn't this basically make menuconfig without the 'gui' ? |
| 21:27.24 | wtf | EmleyMoor: no i have not |
| 21:27.24 | jim | (btw, after that, you want to back that config file up) |
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| 21:27.40 | shelby_ | (I won't know how)... |
| 21:27.48 | oneo | hey guys - when i do update-modules, i get this error "/etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found"...i read 0keep and says its necessary to keep the system working |
| 21:27.51 | jim | shelby_: this process is converting the config file to a 2.6.11 config file |
| 21:27.53 | wtf | EmleyMoor: because i will install debian now on this disk |
| 21:27.54 | takatumi | shelby_: you are better off in menuconfig and carefully selecting what you want or else just use a prepackaged kernel-image. |
| 21:28.06 | EmleyMoor | wtf: I'd suggest it may have a corrupt partition table - so I'd partition it from scratch on something to correct the error |
| 21:28.11 | shelby_ | jim, ooohhhh... |
| 21:28.12 | jim | takatumi: no, he's not. |
| 21:28.18 | jim | at least not yet |
| 21:28.18 | wtf | EmleyMoor: the disk is new |
| 21:28.24 | wtf | i bought it yesterday |
| 21:28.32 | kombi | takatumi: That was it...! thanks body! |
| 21:28.50 | Overand | *AH* the problem with my damn apt-proxy is that my MIRROR is down. lyre.mit.edu seems hosed |
| 21:29.02 | EmleyMoor | wtf: Happen so - it could still have a corrupt partition table left over from manufacturer's testing |
| 21:29.16 | jim | takatumi: the make oldconfig is necessary to get him a proper config file, which he should back up when this is done |
| 21:29.24 | Nwallins | ok, i added a LoadModule line for fastcgi by hand.. now it works. should i file a bug report? |
| 21:29.34 | wtf | EmleyMoor: maybe i should try it with fedora? and make the partitions there? |
| 21:29.43 | jim | THEN he can and probably should run make menuconfig :) |
| 21:29.51 | EmleyMoor | Put it on a machine, cfdisk -z and write it out |
| 21:29.53 | ermo | qeustion any one knows a site where i can read/laern how to get my Wireless card wokring? |
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| 21:30.24 | EmleyMoor | ermo: What kind of wireless card? |
| 21:30.36 | ermo | linksys 801.11G |
| 21:30.42 | Nwallins | heh |
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| 21:31.28 | EmleyMoor | I'd look on www.linuxwireless.org as a starting point |
| 21:31.45 | king_dan | hey folks! can anyone help me with a usb hard drive problem? |
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| 21:31.46 | ermo | ok very thx :) |
| 21:31.46 | shaggy_ | Ok, I'm just not finding what I need online |
| 21:32.08 | shelby_ | jim, k, it's done |
| 21:32.10 | shelby_ | er... I'm done |
| 21:32.12 | schneiderj | when I want to config my network I have the following error : script execution error ". How can I solve that ? |
| 21:32.14 | phanter | hello, I have a debian server at home and I would like it to support webfolders. So i can mount it in windows and in linux as a nice folder |
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| 21:32.21 | phanter | what do i need fr that |
| 21:32.32 | shaggy_ | I'm getting a "Not configured to listen on any interfaces!" erroras well as a "No subnet declaration for eth0" error out of my dhcpd-server start |
| 21:32.36 | Nwallins | what is a webfolder? |
| 21:32.38 | shaggy_ | has anybody done this before? |
| 21:32.51 | jim | ok, cp (kernel src)/.config ~/my-2.6.11-.config |
| 21:32.55 | schneiderj | Nobody had an idea ? |
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| 21:33.10 | jim | schneiderj: I've had ideas before... |
| 21:33.25 | njan | hmm.. anyone any idea why $MAIL isn't setting properly? |
| 21:33.26 | oneo | hey guys - when i do update-modules, i get this error "/etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found"...i read 0keep and says its necessary to keep the system working |
| 21:33.27 | jackah | question: what package do I need to automatically update my DNS to dyndns.org ? |
| 21:33.28 | jim | but it's been a coupla years since I last had an idea... |
| 21:33.31 | phanter | a webfolder? well I work with them, but i do not know what application it is (that is my question as well) |
| 21:33.35 | Blissex | shaggy_: yes. |
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| 21:33.49 | schneiderj | can you give me more precise way's... |
| 21:34.15 | jim | I'm in the middle of something atm |
| 21:34.17 | S4nD3r_ | Hi, where do I found codeweavers cracked to download ??? |
| 21:34.37 | Nwallins | http://goat.cx/ |
| 21:34.42 | njan | S4nD3r_, you don't. If you can't afford it, don't be a thief. |
| 21:34.43 | jim | S4nD3r_: right. like we're gonna help you steal from someone |
| 21:34.51 | tabris|away | Nwallins: bastard. |
| 21:34.51 | Blissex | oneo: '/etc/modutils/0keep' is not a shell script. |
| 21:35.02 | Nwallins | i should have addressed it so S4nD3r_ |
| 21:35.02 | benjamindees | !nickometer S4nD3r_ |
| 21:35.02 | dpkg | 'S4nD3r_' is 99.690% lame, benjamindees |
| 21:35.16 | tabris|away | !nickometer tabris|away |
| 21:35.17 | benjamindees | woot |
| 21:35.20 | jim | wow, is that a new record? |
| 21:35.35 | jackah | lol |
| 21:36.05 | shelby_ | wow... |
| 21:36.05 | Blissex | oneo: it is a configuration file that gets collated with other configuration files in that directory. |
| 21:36.07 | jackah | !nickometer jackah |
| 21:36.09 | drac | jackah: ddclient |
| 21:36.10 | shelby_ | !nickometer shelby_ |
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| 21:36.16 | EmleyMoor | !nickometer 3m13ym00r |
| 21:36.22 | caphuso | damn, /msg the bots |
| 21:36.25 | shelby_ | the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for shelby_ is 0.000%, shelby_ |
| 21:36.29 | shelby_ | wh00! |
| 21:36.31 | Nwallins | not for long |
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| 21:36.36 | jackah | lol... totally unuseful ;) |
| 21:36.42 | shelby_ | anyways |
| 21:36.44 | jim | shelby_: file copied? |
| 21:36.47 | S4nD3r_ | If I buy it, they will send it to my home, in Brazil ?? |
| 21:36.49 | Overand | ok, if i've got a whole nested directory structure filled with .deb files, and i want to copy or move them to some single directory, how can i do this? |
| 21:36.50 | EmleyMoor | 99.890! |
| 21:37.00 | shelby_ | jim, the .config file isn't there any more... |
| 21:37.08 | Overand | cp -R *.deb /target/directory doesn't work |
| 21:37.10 | jim | isn't there? |
| 21:37.23 | Overand | 'cannot stat *.deb' etc |
| 21:37.24 | shelby_ | I don't see the .config file I copied |
| 21:37.32 | Overand | shelby_: ls -a |
| 21:37.32 | ermo | the webite there is only a few pictures nothing els |
| 21:37.37 | jim | oh |
| 21:37.45 | shelby_ | ooohhhh...there it is...lol |
| 21:37.51 | jim | . causes it to be hidden |
| 21:38.00 | jim | but not overly so |
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| 21:38.06 | nicoOoO | hi |
| 21:38.15 | Blissex | Overand: you need a slightly nonobvious line with 'find' to generate the list of files to copy. |
| 21:38.17 | EmleyMoor | "obscured" is a better word |
| 21:38.30 | JeffWilson12 | I asked this question earlier but just confirming; does anyone know for certain if debian installer will pick up and install to external USB drives? sorry for repeating, but just want to make sure the last answer I got is correct, as a lot of money will go toward getting the drive.. |
| 21:38.33 | shelby_ | jim, okay, copied |
| 21:38.38 | shelby_ | now run make menuconfig? |
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| 21:38.55 | jim | shelby_: ok, yes, and customize to your taste... |
| 21:39.09 | jim | also, this will build the menuconfig interface from c files |
| 21:39.11 | shelby_ | well, all I want it to be is optimized for for the k6 |
| 21:39.13 | Overand | Blissex: ahh. great. good thing i'm not gonna do that as root =] |
| 21:39.21 | nicoOoO | i have troubles to play DVD (libdvdcss2 and w32codecs ARE installed).. the message i get is: |
| 21:39.23 | nicoOoO | ** Message: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)2, systemstream=(boolean)false |
| 21:39.23 | nicoOoO | ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/x-ac3 |
| 21:39.23 | nicoOoO | ** Message: don't know how to handle video/x-dvd-subpicture |
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| 21:39.29 | shelby_ | heh... |
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| 21:39.33 | nicoOoO | sorry |
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| 21:39.37 | jim | if there is an error here, let me know |
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| 21:39.43 | nicoOoO | did you get the 4 lines? |
| 21:39.44 | shelby_ | okay jim |
| 21:39.45 | Overand | they *always* say sorry after they get kicked =] |
| 21:40.01 | jackah | lol |
| 21:40.06 | nicoOoO | Overand, well 4 lines is a bit short to be considered flood to me ;) |
| 21:40.27 | jim | nicoOoO: ah well... live and learn |
| 21:40.28 | Blissex | Overand: something like 'cp -p $(find "$FROM" -name "*.dev" -type f) "$TO"' _might_ work. |
| 21:40.36 | Blissex | Overand: something like 'cp -p $(find "$FROM" -name "*.deb" -type f) "$TO"' _might_ work. |
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| 21:41.30 | myren | what did apple have to rename Rendevouz? |
| 21:41.36 | nicoOoO | uh the app used is totem btw :) |
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| 21:41.58 | jim | I thought lilo wrote totem |
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| 21:42.08 | Klicker | german channel? |
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| 21:42.22 | jim | Klicker, /msg dpkg de |
| 21:42.41 | zumbi | !tell Klicker about german |
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| 21:43.19 | silverton | gah...that computer is so slow... |
| 21:43.32 | jim | you could run the build on the other one |
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| 21:43.40 | Overand | Blissex: are those regular parens or curly parens? i'm doing this on an 80x25 terminal on a blurry TV |
| 21:44.01 | Blissex | Overand: round parenthesis, not curly braces. |
| 21:44.05 | eugenesan | hi all, how can i check all binaries from packages are not damaged? |
| 21:44.07 | a_monkey | how can i have nautilus not display icons such as the wastebasket and home dir on the desktop? |
| 21:44.07 | silverton | jim, think it might happen a bit quicker on my 2ghz athlon xp? |
| 21:44.13 | Blissex | Overand: also, consider reading a sall scripting HOWTO. |
| 21:44.20 | jim | silverton: might at that |
| 21:44.33 | silverton | How might I copy it over the network? |
| 21:44.49 | silverton | the config file at least |
| 21:45.01 | silverton | This would be a fine time to teach me how to make a linux network share... |
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| 21:45.03 | jim | oh, you can use scp to copy the config file |
| 21:45.09 | myren | scp is the shizzle |
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| 21:45.11 | jim | but make mrproper first |
| 21:45.16 | silverton | scp ? |
| 21:45.17 | takatumi | a_monkey: --no-desktop or some such. |
| 21:45.21 | dureyes | using k3b and it says that I am need to install the dvd+rw tools package, can someone give me the actual package name for apt-get? Thanks |
| 21:45.38 | myren | silverton: i spent months setting up samba to perfection for sharing, but by the time i was done i'd stopped having a need for anything other than scp |
| 21:45.45 | Overand | Blissex: doesn't seem to work, but i can't even tell if i typed it right because MY TERMIANL WRAPS IT TO ONE LINE... @#$% |
| 21:45.51 | silverton | what is scp?? |
| 21:45.55 | jim | like cp |
| 21:45.56 | myren | secure copy |
| 21:45.59 | Overand | this is the absolute least ergonomic setup i've ever used in my life |
| 21:46.00 | jim | only over net |
| 21:46.01 | EmleyMoor | dvdplusrwtools or similar, dureyes |
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| 21:46.16 | Overand | it's literally filling me with rage |
| 21:46.44 | dureyes | EmleyMoor: will give it a try, thanks. |
| 21:46.46 | jim | cp .config aUser@an.ip.address:/a/path/on/that/machine |
| 21:46.48 | Blissex | Overand: you put the right values in "$FROM" and "$TO" I hope... |
| 21:47.29 | jim | err, try that again... |
| 21:47.33 | jim | scp .config aUser@an.ip.address:/a/path/on/that/machine |
| 21:47.39 | jim | note s at start |
| 21:47.53 | jackah | On Debian, when i shut down my computer, it never shut down completly, the fan is still open... what to do? |
| 21:48.01 | jim | it will likely ask you for a password |
| 21:48.09 | jim | jackah: close the fan! |
| 21:48.09 | shelby_ | jim, yeah, it did |
| 21:48.16 | jackah | lol |
| 21:48.23 | jackah | is there an automatic way |
| 21:48.33 | jackah | insthead of pushing the power button |
| 21:48.37 | jim | what does the machine say at the bottom? |
| 21:48.46 | silverton | jim, ?? |
| 21:48.47 | jim | do you have an atx mobo? |
| 21:49.02 | jackah | "you can shut down your computer in security" (sumthing like that) |
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| 21:49.20 | nomed^ | hi |
| 21:49.24 | jim | oh, you don't have a power management setup |
| 21:49.34 | nomed^ | i upgraded .. and now ... |
| 21:49.35 | jim | you can rebuild your kernel to get it |
| 21:49.52 | jim | nomed^: do ya feeeel any different?! |
| 21:49.59 | silverton | okay, jim, I have it in this computers kernel-source-2.6.11 folder |
| 21:50.02 | silverton | now run make mrproper? |
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| 21:50.10 | nomed^ | i don't know if there should be /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 21:50.12 | jackah | thanks jim |
| 21:50.15 | jim | silverton: no, copy the file before you do that |
| 21:50.25 | silverton | so.... |
| 21:50.31 | silverton | cp ./config to kernel source folder |
| 21:50.34 | silverton | correct? |
| 21:50.38 | silverton | _then_ make mrproper? |
| 21:50.48 | benjamindees | jackah, get apm from apt |
| 21:50.50 | nomed^ | cp .config .. :P |
| 21:50.52 | jim | silverton: umm, so it's not in source dir yet? |
| 21:50.57 | silverton | it is |
| 21:51.04 | silverton | in the source dir |
| 21:51.25 | jim | ok, copy it to a different dir (outside of there, and named without the . so you can see it when you ls) |
| 21:51.47 | jim | see, make mrproper is gonna get rid of that |
| 21:51.58 | silverton | jim, okay, I did |
| 21:52.00 | jim | did you finish with the make menuconfig? |
| 21:52.02 | silverton | now it's in three places... |
| 21:52.13 | silverton | jim, I think you're getting ahead of me... |
| 21:52.19 | lef | does anyone have a good howto for apache2 on debian? can't seem to find any |
| 21:52.25 | nomed^ | do you think that /etc/init.d/iptables it's an old file .. and new package doesn't have it ... |
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| 21:52.40 | caphuso | nomed^: yes |
| 21:52.56 | nomed^ | yes ... it's an old file .. |
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| 21:53.04 | nomed^ | ? |
| 21:53.09 | caphuso | nomed^: yes |
| 21:53.19 | nomed^ | ok |
| 21:53.40 | nomed^ | and now does it start anyway ? |
| 21:53.45 | silverton | jim, I just ran make menuconfig |
| 21:53.50 | silverton | and I saved and exited |
| 21:53.51 | caphuso | nomed^: probably not |
| 21:54.09 | snoke | can i see somehow list of files what gcc use to compile source ? |
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| 21:55.28 | jim | silverton: ok, don't do anything else yet |
| 21:55.42 | silverton | jim, okay, my terminal is just sitting there |
| 21:55.53 | jim | running make menuconfig will alter the .config |
| 21:56.03 | jim | if you made changes... did you make changes? |
| 21:56.20 | silverton | jim, I just make sure it was still set for the K6-2 |
| 21:56.28 | silverton | but, no, I did not make changes |
| 21:56.35 | jim | ok, good enough |
| 21:56.56 | jim | did you run make mrproper yet (don't do that yet if not) |
| 21:57.14 | silverton | okay |
| 21:57.17 | silverton | I ran make mrproper |
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| 21:57.23 | silverton | re-copied my kernel config to the source dir |
| 21:57.26 | silverton | then ran make menuconfig |
| 21:58.05 | jim | and the final step ("silverton then ran make menuconfig") was to make sure the right cpu? |
| 21:58.16 | silverton | jim, yes |
| 21:58.21 | jim | ok, try building |
| 21:58.36 | silverton | with make? |
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| 21:58.51 | jim | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
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| 21:59.27 | a_monkey | what was the enlightenment app called that acted like osx's dock? |
| 21:59.42 | silverton | holy crap stick...it's flying.... |
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| 22:00.12 | jim | at least if you're gonna get that error message again, it won't take long |
| 22:00.21 | silverton | jim, very true |
| 22:00.48 | silverton | jim, just curious, how would I make a folder, visible to another linux box on the network? |
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| 22:01.07 | jim | silverton: one way, web |
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| 22:01.14 | EmleyMoor | silverton: nfs? |
| 22:01.15 | jim | maybe also webdav |
| 22:01.19 | jim | nfs, sure |
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| 22:01.22 | silverton | EmleyMoor, it's ext3 |
| 22:01.40 | silverton | and I don't have enough spare storage to back it all up and format it |
| 22:01.40 | jim | silverton: he's saying a way to do the thing you want is by using nfs |
| 22:01.47 | silverton | oh... |
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| 22:02.06 | silverton | How do I manage that one though? |
| 22:02.11 | EmleyMoor | You don't need to reformat |
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| 22:02.15 | jim | well |
| 22:02.29 | silverton | EmleyMoor, okay, phew... |
| 22:02.32 | jim | you have to learn how /etc/exports is supposed to look like |
| 22:02.34 | nome | caphuso, and how can i start iptables on boot? |
| 22:02.41 | Overand | Blissex: yes i put the right values in $from and $to =] |
| 22:03.02 | silverton | I don't even have a /etc/exports |
| 22:03.15 | jim | you also might not have an nfs server |
| 22:03.21 | EmleyMoor | silverton: You wouldn't - if you have no nfs, you don't need it |
| 22:03.25 | jim | so you'd have to install one |
| 22:03.26 | silverton | jim, that is very doubtful |
| 22:03.40 | silverton | apt-get install nfs ? |
| 22:03.43 | caphuso | nome: by any one of the ways described in the documentation that comes with the package, obviously |
| 22:03.44 | jim | so... no errors yet? |
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| 22:04.00 | dureyes | I have a slave drive install with ntfs, how can have debian recognize it so that I can drop files? |
| 22:04.06 | ermo | question any one here is fomiier with wireless card on debian? |
| 22:04.12 | ermo | fomilier |
| 22:04.14 | silverton | dureyes, good luck |
| 22:04.20 | Overand | Blissex: argument list too big |
| 22:04.21 | jim | dureyes: linux can't write safely on an ntfs |
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| 22:04.24 | silverton | jim, it's flying clear |
| 22:04.25 | Overand | er... too long |
| 22:04.26 | EmleyMoor | Ummm - not quite - but nfs-server would be a useful package |
| 22:04.48 | silverton | okay |
| 22:04.53 | nome | caphuso, ok it's i'm confuse for that /etc/init.d/iptables .. that has the options save active and inactive .. |
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| 22:05.02 | Blissex | Overand: as i said, it _might_ hve worked. It will not work with too many files or files containing spaces. |
| 22:05.05 | nome | that's not the way anymore? |
| 22:05.08 | dureyes | ok |
| 22:05.11 | Overand | no spaces |
| 22:05.13 | Blissex | Overand: version that works regardless: |
| 22:05.20 | silverton | EmleyMoor, it says that is a virtual package provided by: |
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| 22:05.23 | ermo | iam trying to get my card working i know the Iwconfig but how can i do it so linux sees my cRDA? |
| 22:05.26 | Overand | i'm on a machine with a real terminal now, so i can actually copy and paste =] |
| 22:05.28 | silverton | nfs-kernel-server-1:1.0.7-3 |
| 22:05.28 | silverton | and |
| 22:05.35 | silverton | nfs-user-server 2.2beta47-20 |
| 22:05.35 | jim | silverton: so make mrproper is supposed to empty/initialize a kernel source dir; in so doing, it also removes .config |
| 22:05.37 | jackah | question: how big a Swap partition should be |
| 22:05.45 | ermo | 128 MB |
| 22:05.50 | jackah | only? |
| 22:05.52 | silverton | jim, I figured that one out :) |
| 22:05.54 | jim | 93785934759347589347589347589347589345789345 mb |
| 22:05.56 | lef | does anyone have a good howto for apache2 on debian? can't seem to find any |
| 22:05.56 | Overand | jackah: 2x ram size |
| 22:05.58 | Anders1 | jackah: ram*2 |
| 22:06.00 | Blissex | Overand: find "$FROM" -name '*.deb' -type f | while read F; do cp -p "$F" "$TO"/"$F"; done |
| 22:06.02 | ermo | 256 IS THE BEST |
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| 22:06.04 | silverton | jackah, it can be as big as you want it to be |
| 22:06.04 | EmleyMoor | Well, yes - you need to decide whether to use the kernel or user nfs server |
| 22:06.06 | jackah | ok thanks |
| 22:06.11 | ermo | np |
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| 22:06.21 | Overand | Blissex: thanks |
| 22:06.23 | caphuso | nome: suggestion: you stop worrying about /etc/init.d/iptables for now and READ THE DOCS |
| 22:06.24 | silverton | I think I'll take the user server |
| 22:06.34 | nome | ok |
| 22:06.38 | Active2 | i don't get it: if i have this condition: "RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} !^443$" then it should redirect if not port 443 is set but it doesn't do that (do i remove the '!' then it suddenly works) is this something odd with apache2 ? |
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| 22:07.09 | silverton | EmleyMoor, okay, the NFS servers: nfsd and mountd are running |
| 22:07.12 | jim | nome: if you haven't told iptables to add rules, then the script won't do anything anyway |
| 22:07.42 | nome | now i added some rules .. and saved with iptables-save ... |
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| 22:07.50 | jim | silverton: you'd run the nfs server where the local copy of the files you want to make available are |
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| 22:08.17 | silverton | jim, I really don't know how to do that... :-/ |
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| 22:08.47 | Overand | Blissex: that tries to make the files in $TO/$FROM, it doesn't strip the path info from the files, apparently |
| 22:09.00 | jim | silverton: let's give these machines names... give a name for the machine that has the files you want to make available |
| 22:09.08 | Blissex | Overand: ah yes, forgot about that... |
| 22:09.12 | silverton | ghost |
| 22:09.15 | Blissex | Overand: find "$FROM" -name '*.deb' -type f | while read F; do cp -p "$F" "$TO"/; done |
| 22:09.21 | silverton | and the one I want to have access, is eidolon |
| 22:09.29 | Overand | Blissex: you're the man, thanks |
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| 22:09.36 | jim | ok, so you'd install nfs-server on ghose |
| 22:09.37 | jim | t |
| 22:09.44 | silverton | I did |
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| 22:09.57 | jim | ok, so now you should have an /etc/exports |
| 22:10.11 | silverton | ahhh!!! so you are right |
| 22:10.16 | silverton | do I type in the directory name I want to share? |
| 22:10.27 | jim | well sorta. |
| 22:10.42 | jim | each line looks like |
| 22:10.50 | Overand | Blissex: that works, thanks! |
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| 22:11.09 | markuman | hello. will be sid = hurd? |
| 22:11.09 | Blissex | Overand: it will be slightly slower, but the faster version is more complicated... |
| 22:11.22 | deadcat | markuman: wrong question |
| 22:11.25 | Overand | yeah, that's ok, it's only 1.6 gigs of ~100k files =] |
| 22:11.39 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:11.54 | markuman | deadcat: hm |
| 22:11.59 | jim | look at man 5 exports for the gorey details |
| 22:12.08 | ermo | any one herer got linux/debian with a wireless card? |
| 22:12.10 | markuman | deadcat: ok, sid will stay at Linus Unix kernel? |
| 22:12.32 | deadcat | ermo: ask a real question |
| 22:12.42 | ermo | yes sur |
| 22:12.42 | silverton | jim, alright :) |
| 22:12.43 | deadcat | markuman: sid is unstable, it will always be unstable. |
| 22:12.49 | caphuso | markuman: depends. if you're using debian linux, then obviously yes. if you're using debian kfreebsd, then no |
| 22:12.49 | EmleyMoor | sid will always be the "liable to break stuff" Debian GNU/Linux |
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| 22:13.03 | silverton | jim, I'm getting a lot of warnings in this kernel compile... |
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| 22:13.18 | caphuso | same applies for knetbsd and hurd too |
| 22:13.22 | EmleyMoor | (sid is named after the character in Toy Story) |
| 22:13.27 | jim | markuman: sid won't stay anywhere :) |
| 22:13.27 | jim | ermo: /msg dpkg sicco /msg dpkg cooperation in asking for help |
| 22:13.27 | jim | warnings are fine |
| 22:13.31 | jim | to be expected... they weren't anal in getting rid of the warnings |
| 22:13.48 | silverton | jim, it errored at the same spot as it did on the other computer |
| 22:13.48 | Pappa | help |
| 22:13.56 | Pappa | my cellphone runs ms windows |
| 22:13.58 | silverton | make[4]: *** [drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.o] Error 1 |
| 22:13.59 | deadcat | Pappa: call 911 |
| 22:14.05 | silverton | make[3]: *** [drivers/char/drm] Error 2 |
| 22:14.09 | Pappa | and i gotta say, it's the most confusing thing ive ever used =/ |
| 22:14.10 | silverton | make[2]: *** [drivers/char] Error 2 |
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| 22:14.14 | silverton | make[1]: *** [drivers] Error 2 |
| 22:14.18 | silverton | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11' |
| 22:14.24 | silverton | make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2 |
| 22:14.27 | jim | gamma_drv |
| 22:14.33 | jim | do you need that driver? |
| 22:14.36 | Pappa | it's powered by a 233mhz arm processor? so it should run netbsd right? |
| 22:14.40 | silverton | not that I know of |
| 22:14.45 | Pappa | drop one "?" |
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| 22:14.53 | ico2_ | hi |
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| 22:15.06 | silverton | jim /msg me, I gotta step out for a moment |
| 22:15.10 | glick | openoffice.org sucks compared to MS Office |
| 22:15.15 | ico2_ | how would i go about dpkg -l, but with just the package name on its own on each line? |
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| 22:15.26 | chr1s | Hi, is it possible to compile my debian kernel on an other machine? |
| 22:15.26 | jim | ok, make menuconfig, turn it off, make clean, make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 22:15.29 | chr1s | running gentoo? |
| 22:15.34 | deadcat | ico2_: dpkg --get-selections |
| 22:15.37 | macsystem | but open office now its gonna be better |
| 22:15.37 | ico2_ | ok |
| 22:15.39 | Pappa | glick: no it doesnt, ms office is way too heavy |
| 22:15.46 | caphuso | ico2_: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' |
| 22:15.54 | bbrazil | chr1s: should be |
| 22:15.56 | chealer | macsystem: "now its gonne be better"? |
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| 22:16.00 | glick | Pappa, heavy or not, MS Office does what i need it to do and easily |
| 22:16.00 | EmleyMoor | All Microsoft products suck, except their vacuum cleaners. |
| 22:16.15 | chr1s | bbrazil: is it as simple as copying the directory and run make deps && make? |
| 22:16.19 | macsystem | that is true |
| 22:16.24 | macsystem | this hapens to me |
| 22:16.44 | macsystem | the vacum wath? |
| 22:17.01 | bbrazil | chr1s: that'll work, just be aware that if you're compiling modules you must compile them with the same compiler version |
| 22:17.11 | ico2_ | hmmmmm |
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| 22:17.37 | macsystem | chealer, sorry for mi stupid inglish |
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| 22:17.43 | macsystem | my sorry again |
| 22:17.45 | chealer | macsystem: no but what do you mean? |
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| 22:18.02 | chr1s | bbrazil: and that other one runs gentoo, so i can't use make-kpkg |
| 22:18.03 | Overand | apt-proxy-import sure is being dumb... oh well? |
| 22:18.08 | macsystem | will be better |
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| 22:18.17 | ico2_ | ok |
| 22:18.17 | chr1s | should I just make deps && make and copy the kernel-image? |
| 22:18.21 | chealer | macsystem: when will it? |
| 22:18.36 | bbrazil | chr1s: yip. I assume you have a good reason for doing this |
| 22:18.41 | macsystem | do you see 2.0 beta vertion? |
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| 22:18.49 | ico2_ | i screwed up apt-getting gnome-desktop-environment, how do i uninstall it and all of the deps apt installed? |
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| 22:19.00 | chealer | macsystem: I "see" it, but I heard bad things about it |
| 22:19.23 | benjamindees | chealer, really? like what? |
| 22:19.38 | chealer | benjamindees: did you hear at least about java issues? |
| 22:19.39 | chr1s | bbrazil: I'm running debian on my laptop, and it's getting too hot and shuts down when compiling something big |
| 22:19.47 | macsystem | so chearler wath thinck you cant do with OO |
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| 22:20.00 | Overand | apt-proxy-import is throwing a 'no suitable backend found' when i try to import a pile of stuff |
| 22:20.06 | benjamindees | chealer, oh, yeah, but I hear it's faster |
| 22:20.26 | chr1s | bbrazil: is there anything I should watch out for? |
| 22:20.26 | chealer | benjamindees: I "heard" that too, but no proof or benchmark yet |
| 22:20.28 | bbrazil | chr1s: thats not good. There's auto-cpu throttling stuff that might be of use to you |
| 22:20.33 | deadcat | ico2_: install debfoster and run it |
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| 22:20.48 | bbrazil | chr1s: copy your modules too, and don't forget to run lilo (if applicable) |
| 22:20.50 | ico2_ | ok |
| 22:20.53 | chr1s | bbrazil: I know. I also should get my laptop fixed, but then I don't have my laptop :) |
| 22:21.00 | ico2_ | i think i got it with apt-get remove gnome* |
| 22:21.17 | chr1s | bbrazil: copy my modules from debian -> compile box or from compile-box > debian? |
| 22:21.23 | chr1s | and where do I find my modules? |
| 22:21.35 | piratePenguin | are there any Debian GNU/Hurd users here? Or is there a seperate Debian GNU/Hurd cahnnel (or should I just use #hurd ?)? |
| 22:21.38 | deadcat | chr1s: /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 22:21.41 | markuman | if i have compile something by myself with ./configure make make install and i want to uninstall it? how? with make uninstall it don't work |
| 22:21.50 | bbrazil | chr1s: make modules_install and pull them from /lib/modules compile->debian |
| 22:22.02 | chr1s | hm |
| 22:22.10 | chealer | macsystem: I don't know what you "can't do", but I'd hardly defend that it's better than ** Office if it wasn't for the fact that the latter doesn't read open formats (and isn't free) |
| 22:22.19 | bbrazil | chr1s: you considered underclocking your system? |
| 22:22.21 | chr1s | but is it possible to not place them in /lib/modules? |
| 22:22.36 | chr1s | bbrazil: yes, but I was told it is possible. |
| 22:22.37 | deadcat | whats the best way to clean my laptop lcd screen? |
| 22:22.43 | bbrazil | chr1s: thats a very good question :) |
| 22:22.49 | chr1s | deadcat: Ctrl + L |
| 22:22.50 | chealer | benjamindees: FYI, OOo 2 was "supposed" to be released in march |
| 22:22.54 | ico2_ | thanks, cya |
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| 22:23.01 | deadcat | chr1s: clean. physically |
| 22:23.08 | chr1s | deadcat: :p |
| 22:23.11 | deadcat | (= |
| 22:23.31 | macsystem | chealer, oh i have problems with the flowcharts too |
| 22:23.33 | deadcat | will water damage it? |
| 22:23.52 | bbrazil | damp lint-free cloth generally |
| 22:24.36 | chealer | macsystem: and now there's the arbitrary code execution flaw they found |
| 22:25.06 | irreverentrevere | I am attempting to set up XDMCP, and enabled the port and the xdmcp int he kderc, but the client is still getting a fatal error :manager unwilling host unwilling.... what does that mean? |
| 22:25.06 | deadcat | bbrazil: thats it? but it has soda stains |
| 22:25.07 | thingfish | deadcat: you want to avoid cleansers probably. |
| 22:25.45 | thingfish | deadcat: a damp cotton cloth will eventually clean up soda stains. |
| 22:25.49 | deadcat | thingfish: i was thinking those sprays for windows |
| 22:25.53 | thingfish | no |
| 22:26.00 | deadcat | k |
| 22:26.05 | bbrazil | irreverentrevere: poke around in Xaccess |
| 22:26.10 | irreverentrevere | deadcat that would etch the screen |
| 22:26.19 | irreverentrevere | bbrazil looking now |
| 22:26.21 | deadcat | thanks |
| 22:26.34 | bbrazil | irreverentrevere: thats for xdm, don't know what the kdm equiv is |
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| 22:26.37 | thingfish | a damp old towel, if it's not too linty, would be good. |
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| 22:27.42 | irreverentrevere | i just bought some monitor wipes to use |
| 22:27.52 | irreverentrevere | they were like $2 for the pack |
| 22:28.02 | irreverentrevere | 800 wipes |
| 22:28.05 | deadcat | k |
| 22:28.08 | irreverentrevere | used like 12 so far |
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| 22:28.19 | deadcat | hehe |
| 22:28.30 | irreverentrevere | as in i rarely need them, one is more than enough |
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| 22:28.45 | irreverentrevere | i used 2 to wash my windsheild |
| 22:28.49 | irreverentrevere | worked great |
| 22:30.18 | Overand | ok, all of a sudden, apt-proxy doesn't seem to be putting files in /var/cache/apt-proxy/ anymore... |
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| 22:31.25 | Overand | either this program is really flaky, or i'm doing something horribly wrong |
| 22:31.31 | didou__ | hi |
| 22:31.45 | irreverentrevere | bbrazil kdm uses a Xaccess, but i cannot seem to see what setting i need to add/change |
| 22:31.47 | vortek | Does any onen know why my screens go blank after using zgv in console ?... I've changed the resolution in zgv.conf to 600 800 8 |
| 22:31.50 | vortek | nothing works |
| 22:31.53 | chealer | Overand: which version are you using? |
| 22:32.05 | Overand | chealer: one sec |
| 22:32.15 | didou__ | I'm trying to compile 2.6.12-rc2 using the .config file shown here : |
| 22:32.16 | Overand | i'm on sarge, i installed ~ 1 day ago |
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| 22:32.29 | Overand | 1.9.28 |
| 22:32.36 | chealer | Overand: then it *is* flaky. check the package description |
| 22:32.39 | didou__ | https://systemausfall.org/~phil/files/s5n/.config |
| 22:32.49 | didou__ | when running make xconfig I keep getting errors like : |
| 22:32.50 | Overand | heh |
| 22:32.53 | Overand | i see, chealer |
| 22:33.00 | didou__ | .config:167: trying to assign nonexistent symbol ACPI_HOTKEY |
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| 22:33.05 | didou__ | what am I missing ? |
| 22:33.06 | Overand | it's too bad, when you don't "screw" with it it works fine, so far |
| 22:33.13 | cafuego | didou__: it's a -rc kernel. Don't use it. |
| 22:33.14 | chealer | Overand: I was thinking about trying apt-proxy until I red that |
| 22:33.17 | Overand | it's just importing cache, changing mirrors, stuff like that |
| 22:33.28 | Overand | chealer: it's worth it when it's running right |
| 22:33.37 | Overand | my issue is that i'm importing an existing database of .deb files |
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| 22:34.00 | Overand | it worked more or less fine when i did it 'wrong' though, doing it with the importer is what's giving me the problems, heh |
| 22:34.13 | FieldySnuts | ~smite yahoo |
| 22:34.22 | FieldySnuts | apt: hi |
| 22:34.23 | apt | hello, fieldysnuts |
| 22:34.38 | Overand | hrmph. still can't import. |
| 22:34.48 | gpm | !smite yahoo |
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| 22:34.56 | gpm | apt: smite me |
| 22:35.00 | S4nD3r_ | Hi. In the office computer, Ive installed debian with many and many packages, programs. Is it possible to install the same packages at home ?? (I dont have internet at home). How do I copy those packages to CD, and at home, install all of them? |
| 22:35.01 | ermo | can any one pls help me ^^ i readed some tuts but i cant realy do it :( |
| 22:35.14 | EmleyMoor | !smite NTL |
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| 22:35.31 | cafuego | S4nD3r_: apt-move or apt-zip |
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| 22:36.03 | ermo | i realy cant get my wireless card working |
| 22:36.24 | EmleyMoor | Really how is it really failing? |
| 22:36.26 | m00p | S4nD3r_: download the ISO's at work, burn them. install at home. |
| 22:36.32 | macsystem | cafuego,thats so good !!! |
| 22:36.50 | S4nD3r_ | m00p, more than ten CDs ?? No!!! |
| 22:36.55 | cafuego | ermo: Is it supported by Linux? |
| 22:37.01 | Overand | i'd suggest you bring the pc to work and do a net-install =] |
| 22:37.05 | markuman | someone here use linEAK for XFCE? or gnome? but not kde....is there any command to mute pcm? and opposite with same commant? |
| 22:37.14 | chr1s | btw bbrazil: why should I compile my modules with the same compiler version? |
| 22:37.27 | m00p | S4nD3r_: install Ubuntu, and you dont need all the 10 debian CD's |
| 22:37.35 | ermo | it doenst say when you buy it But i know its pos to get it running |
| 22:37.39 | chr1s | or do you mean the same as I compile my kernel with? |
| 22:37.43 | S4nD3r_ | Im using debian, and I like it |
| 22:37.47 | S4nD3r_ | I wont change |
| 22:37.53 | ermo | The broken is a tv channel and the also use linksys with linux |
| 22:37.57 | paulswm | !prize S4nD3r_ |
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| 22:38.03 | chealer | m00p: don't be silly |
| 22:38.04 | ermo | so i know its pos but how :( |
| 22:38.38 | markuman | why 10 debian cds? i think there is a net / ftp installation where can you download what you need |
| 22:38.41 | cafuego | ermo: linksys? Then I doubt it's supported properly. |
| 22:38.46 | cafuego | ermo: 802.11g? |
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| 22:38.49 | ermo | yes |
| 22:38.50 | Segers_J | S4nD3r_: you are not likely to need more than the first 2 or 3 cds, they are sorted by popularity. |
| 22:38.52 | FieldySnuts | indeed, forget that |
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| 22:39.21 | ermo | its a 802.1g |
| 22:39.25 | ermo | 11* |
| 22:39.29 | S4nD3r_ | Segers_J, but, I have installed a lot of different programs here |
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| 22:39.35 | chealer | markuman: that's when you have internet on the target machine |
| 22:39.37 | FieldySnuts | well the important thing is it's linksys, and those are very poorly supported in linux |
| 22:39.37 | S4nD3r_ | then Id like to install the same packages |
| 22:39.43 | m00p | S4nD3r_: Ubuntu is a 'debian' distro anyway, and come one 1 CD. up 2 you. |
| 22:39.44 | cafuego | ermo: Undoubtedly a broadcom. Only supoported via ndiswrapper and (rather shit) windows drivers. |
| 22:39.46 | markuman | ok chealer |
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| 22:39.57 | paulswm | 802 that is |
| 22:40.02 | FieldySnuts | yeah pry with lameness like ndiswrapper |
| 22:40.06 | cafuego | paulswm: My linksys pcmcia card is a SHIT, doesn't work. |
| 22:40.17 | macsystem | m00p like mepis? |
| 22:40.18 | GCS | Anyone knows VPN here? |
| 22:40.18 | chealer | !ubuntusmite m00p |
| 22:40.25 | FieldySnuts | @anyone |
| 22:40.29 | m00p | heh |
| 22:40.34 | ravenbird | *** anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean /I/ do. |
| 22:40.34 | FieldySnuts | heh! related |
| 22:40.36 | FieldySnuts | that's funny |
| 22:40.41 | chealer | yeah |
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| 22:40.53 | ermo | is there any help about ndiswarper ? i search net but all say use man command but there are only the commands suportet any one knows good site ? |
| 22:41.04 | simonrvn | heh, warper :) |
| 22:41.07 | GCS | What kernel config options do I need for VPN if any? |
| 22:41.09 | ico2_ | hmmm |
| 22:41.17 | S4nD3r_ | I will try to use apt-zip |
| 22:41.26 | ico2_ | if i have packages that are not fully installed or removed, how do i remove them? |
| 22:41.34 | simonrvn | weee |
| 22:41.37 | GCS | I have 2.6.12-rc2 btw. |
| 22:41.52 | simonrvn | enable ipsec i think |
| 22:41.58 | macsystem | S4nD3r_ good election |
| 22:41.58 | FieldySnuts | badgersec |
| 22:42.10 | S4nD3r_ | election ? |
| 22:42.14 | S4nD3r_ | oh, my poor english |
| 22:42.21 | Overand_ | ugh |
| 22:42.22 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: yeah but it's ndiswrapper, so it doesn't count. |
| 22:42.24 | Overand_ | am i here now or not |
| 22:42.24 | cafuego | S4nD3r_: he means choice |
| 22:42.25 | Overand_ | great |
| 22:42.30 | Overand_ | see this is really fun |
| 22:42.30 | FieldySnuts | you know better than to troll me with ndiswrapper stuff :( |
| 22:42.31 | simonrvn | i think he meant erection |
| 22:42.32 | Overand_ | my router is crashing |
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| 22:42.34 | Overand_ | repeatedly |
| 22:42.36 | FieldySnuts | @enter |
| 22:42.37 | ravenbird | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
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| 22:42.41 | Overand_ | and taking down my lan with it, fucking great. |
| 22:42.41 | S4nD3r_ | cafuego, thank you very much, Mr! |
| 22:42.44 | macsystem | sorry pleace i doo all i can for help us |
| 22:42.45 | websdale | GCS:have you read the VPN-HOWTO ? it might be helpful |
| 22:43.00 | Overand_ | it's really making me happy. |
| 22:43.04 | FieldySnuts | eh i had a commodore 64 with a whopping 110 baud accoustic coupler |
| 22:43.07 | Overand_ | *EVERYTHING IS BREAKING.* |
| 22:43.10 | FieldySnuts | later had a 2400 baud. the speed!! |
| 22:43.11 | Overand_ | acoustic couplers rule! |
| 22:43.33 | FieldySnuts | VIC-20 before that with god knows what |
| 22:43.36 | FieldySnuts | i was too young |
| 22:43.39 | simonrvn | here we go with a glibc upgrade.... |
| 22:43.51 | FieldySnuts | oh aren'g you lucky |
| 22:43.56 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: Me too (the coupler not the commodore), terminal my end was the Texas Instruments Silent 700 |
| 22:44.00 | EmleyMoor | Acoustic couplers were OK when over 9 out of 10 phones were the Yeoman model |
| 22:44.01 | macsystem | S4nD3r_ sorry pleace i do all i can for help us |
| 22:44.02 | Segers_J | simonrvn: ++luck |
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| 22:44.32 | ico2_ | how do i remove packages that are "not fully installed or removed"? |
| 22:44.48 | simonrvn | feck. luckily it's the -dev... *sweats bullets" |
| 22:44.58 | gpm | ico2_: apt-get remove --purge |
| 22:45.01 | ico2_ | ok |
| 22:45.20 | gpm | ico2_: actually, just remove will work fine, but i usually purge |
| 22:45.24 | GCS | websdale: There are a lot, but they are for kernel 2.4 (I have 2.6), and about config generation (I got the configuration files by email), but as I have never used it, I do not know a lot of things. So do you know a good VPN-HOWTO for openvpn and 2.6 kernels? |
| 22:45.25 | S4nD3r_ | apt-zip-list: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) |
| 22:45.29 | S4nD3r_ | UnMounting /media/cdrom0 |
| 22:45.31 | S4nD3r_ | Help me |
| 22:45.48 | S4nD3r_ | please |
| 22:45.51 | macsystem | S4nD3r_ scd0 if is sid |
| 22:45.53 | ico2_ | hmmmm |
| 22:45.56 | simonrvn | read what it's telling uou instead of whining |
| 22:45.57 | FieldySnuts | ~fuck sftp's ETA calculations when the speed hasn't changed |
| 22:45.58 | ico2_ | gpm: no good |
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| 22:46.10 | FieldySnuts | geez, apt been castrated? |
| 22:46.16 | gpm | ~hi |
| 22:46.17 | apt | hello, gpm |
| 22:46.24 | gpm | ico2_: what's the trouble now? |
| 22:46.24 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fuck sftp's ETA calculations when the speed hasn't changed |
| 22:46.25 | simonrvn | emasculated :P |
| 22:46.31 | S4nD3r_ | macsystem, ?? |
| 22:46.32 | ico2_ | all it does is try to configure the packages again and fail miserably |
| 22:46.33 | kracklotus | hello |
| 22:46.49 | macsystem | S4nD3r_ mount -a /dev/scd0 if is sid |
| 22:46.50 | chealer | macsystem: what's your native language? |
| 22:46.56 | gpm | ico2_: apt-get -f install? |
| 22:47.03 | ico2_ | ok |
| 22:47.03 | simonrvn | sunday starts earlier and earlier every month. i'm slowly going insane |
| 22:47.10 | gpm | ico2_: it doesn't suggest something to run? |
| 22:47.14 | macsystem | many cos im cryze boy |
| 22:47.16 | S4nD3r_ | mount -a /dev/scd0 |
| 22:47.17 | chealer | simonrvn: hehehe :) |
| 22:47.17 | S4nD3r_ | mount: can't find /dev/scd0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 22:47.24 | ico2_ | same result |
| 22:47.39 | gpm | ico2_: what exactly does it say? |
| 22:47.42 | jazzanova | i am getting error: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 22:47.44 | macsystem | many cos im cryze boy |
| 22:47.48 | simonrvn | um, you don't need to specify a device if you're using -a option on mount |
| 22:47.49 | jazzanova | from apt-get |
| 22:47.51 | jazzanova | what do I do ? |
| 22:47.54 | chealer | macsystem: what does that mean? cryze? |
| 22:47.57 | S4nD3r_ | macsystem, strange, I read a CDROM 5 minutes before |
| 22:47.58 | simonrvn | @dynamic mmap |
| 22:48.00 | ravenbird | i heard dynamic mmap is "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it |
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| 22:48.05 | benjamindees | chealer, sounds Russian :) |
| 22:48.06 | ico2_ | the errors configuring the packages run way off the screen and it quits for too many errors |
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| 22:48.17 | gpm | !tell ico2_ about paster |
| 22:48.21 | macsystem | S4nD3r_ ok i will check |
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| 22:48.24 | jazzanova | thanks |
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| 22:48.29 | chealer | benjamindees: well, you must know more than me |
| 22:48.40 | S4nD3r_ | Im with a CDR on drive |
| 22:48.44 | S4nD3r_ | a free CDR |
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| 22:49.03 | paulswm | chealer: illiterate "crazy" maybe |
| 22:49.09 | gpm | ico2_: (paste the errors) |
| 22:49.11 | GCS | ico2_:Do dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:49.14 | ico2_ | ok |
| 22:49.22 | gpm | GCS: good call...that's the one i couldn't remember |
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| 22:49.37 | chealer | paulswm: yeah...I feared that possibility |
| 22:49.39 | macsystem | S4nD3r_ how many cdrom device you have? |
| 22:49.39 | paulswm | Hey FieldySnuts, apart from arguing about wifi, nice to see you, hope all is OK |
| 22:49.44 | S4nD3r_ | just one |
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| 22:49.49 | ico2_ | ok |
| 22:49.57 | GCS | ico2: Then do your apt-get command again. |
| 22:50.11 | macsystem | S4nD3r_ i use this -> mount -a /dev/scd0 /cdrom |
| 22:50.18 | ico2_ | then errors do not fit on the screen to copy and paste them and >errors.txt does not work either |
| 22:50.20 | benjamindees | chealer, just close your eyes and imagine someone saying "cos im cryze boy" and omitting verbs in sentences |
| 22:50.27 | S4nD3r_ | mount: /dev/scd0 is not a valid block device |
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| 22:50.38 | ico2_ | and the --configure thing fails as well |
| 22:50.43 | benjamindees | chealer, what nationality comes to mind? |
| 22:50.46 | gpm | ico2_: paste whatever you can |
| 22:50.48 | ico2_ | i just want to be rid of all of the half installed packages |
| 22:50.49 | ico2_ | ok |
| 22:50.50 | chealer | benjamindees: O...sounds romantic :) italian? |
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| 22:51.08 | benjamindees | chealer, actually that was my other guess :p |
| 22:51.16 | macsystem | benjamidees your spanish? |
| 22:51.29 | benjamindees | macsystem, no, USian |
| 22:51.40 | GCS | ico2_:Yes, because the error remains, but the ok packages will be setup -> less output on your screen. |
| 22:51.42 | jazzanova | what easy program can you suggest for burning a cd -- i give it a directory and it burns it for me.. ? |
| 22:51.45 | macsystem | USian ? |
| 22:51.45 | kracklotus | nao falo ingles |
| 22:51.55 | benjamindees | macsystem, American |
| 22:51.57 | GCS | ico2_:Paste the last some lines to me _privately_. |
| 22:51.59 | macsystem | explain pleacenopor |
| 22:52.00 | macsystem | ? |
| 22:52.00 | simonrvn | amurikkkan |
| 22:52.02 | EmleyMoor | jazzanova: A combination of mkisofs and cdrecord would do it |
| 22:52.24 | S4nD3r_ | hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 22:52.25 | macsystem | sorry mix my chatss |
| 22:52.25 | jazzanova | ok, what is the most stardart way people burn a quick cd these days ? |
| 22:52.31 | chealer | wow, did someone see the apt-dpkg-ref package? they seem to ship doc in lisp format! |
| 22:52.31 | S4nD3r_ | This was in my dmesg |
| 22:52.37 | kracklotus | laguien abla español? |
| 22:52.40 | paster | "ico2_" at 195.92.67.209 pasted "configure errors" (87 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/29 |
| 22:52.41 | jazzanova | the raw cdrecord commands ? |
| 22:52.41 | chealer | !es |
| 22:52.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:52.43 | simonrvn | chealer: o_O |
| 22:52.48 | macsystem | si yo pero s enojan |
| 22:52.59 | kracklotus | gracias |
| 22:53.18 | macsystem | necesitas algo? |
| 22:53.34 | kracklotus | poder ablar con alguien |
| 22:53.36 | chealer | macsystem: please help him somewhere else than here |
| 22:53.40 | S4nD3r_ | I lost my CDROM ??? |
| 22:53.42 | m00p | S4nD3r_: r u using Silicon Image controller? They have a habit of throwing that type of warning |
| 22:53.59 | S4nD3r_ | I dont know what is it |
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| 22:54.02 | macsystem | chealer, ok!!! |
| 22:54.32 | macsystem | kracklotus,que necesitas? |
| 22:54.34 | S4nD3r_ | kracklotus, use o canal #debian-br |
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| 22:54.50 | S4nD3r_ | la o pessoal fala brasileiro |
| 22:54.55 | chealer | macsystem: it's just that this channel is english-only |
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| 22:55.31 | macsystem | chealer, ok but the juice is there |
| 22:55.34 | S4nD3r_ | Will I need to buy another CDROM drive ? |
| 22:55.35 | cafuego | Nou, het is eigenlijk een nederlands kanaal, maar we staan engels toe. |
| 22:55.45 | simonrvn | S4nD3r_: hardly |
| 22:55.57 | chr1s | cafuego: lol |
| 22:56.01 | S4nD3r_ | Why this problem happened? |
| 22:56.15 | S4nD3r_ | Oh... How to solve this problem? |
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| 22:56.48 | macsystem | S4nD3r_ how u mount cdrom in first time? |
| 22:56.56 | GCS | ico2_: This is for 'dpkg --configure -a'? Maybe 'apt-get -f install' then? |
| 22:57.10 | ico2_ | same |
| 22:57.14 | bbrazil | S4nD3r_: its probably just a bad/damaged cdrom |
| 22:57.41 | S4nD3r_ | oh..... |
| 22:57.47 | S4nD3r_ | thats is good to know |
| 22:57.49 | S4nD3r_ | ufa |
| 22:57.53 | macsystem | bbrazil, meaby |
| 22:58.02 | bbrazil | S4nD3r_: check with a good cdrom |
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| 22:58.45 | bbrazil | macsystem: I don't want to think what endinness that is |
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| 22:59.16 | GCS | ico2_: OK, then do it package by package. dpkg --configure libpango1.0-0 what gives? Please paste that as well. |
| 22:59.49 | macsystem | bbrazil, me too |
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| 23:00.07 | macsystem | bbrazil, is so rearely |
| 23:00.15 | S4nD3r_ | it working good |
| 23:00.17 | S4nD3r_ | thanks... |
| 23:00.19 | S4nD3r_ | ufa |
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| 23:00.47 | ico2_ | GCS: i dont wanna configure them i wanna nuke them and get my disk space back LOL |
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| 23:01.54 | gpm | ico2_: why don't you just reinstall? |
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| 23:02.51 | drac | ico2_: apt-get clean && apt-get -f install ? |
| 23:02.52 | bryce__ | on a reboot, my mouse doesn't work in X. After I chmod a+r /dev/psaux it works fine. How do I permanently change the permissions of this? |
| 23:03.12 | GCS | ico2_: dpkg --purge libpango1.0-0 then. :) |
| 23:03.35 | startxblack | my card is HWB3163, Prism II reference with SSF Flash, i have read the docs, installed hostap driver but kismet fails to work its magic with the message "ERROR: Unable to find room for logging files within 100 counts" what can i as a newbie do actually do to solve this problem? |
| 23:03.52 | simonrvn | bryce__: lemme guess, you're using udev |
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| 23:04.20 | GCS | ico2_: Yup, apt-get clean removes the .debs, but not the installed packages. For the latter use dpkg --purge package_name or apt-get remove package_name if I am right. |
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| 23:04.32 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 23:04.32 | Nwallins | my /etc/mtab has a line: /dev on /.dev type unknown (rw,bind) this seems to be causing a problem with updatedb |
| 23:05.28 | bryce__ | simonrvn: I'm not sure what udev is, but I believe I am using it. = P |
| 23:05.39 | macsystem | Nwallins is /dev |
| 23:05.42 | ico2_ | ok |
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| 23:05.54 | simonrvn | you'll have a line with /.dev like Nwallins has, in mount output |
| 23:06.00 | Chrissy2k5 | when i do dpkg-reconfigure tcl8.4 i get > update-menus[20106]: Script /etc/menu-methods/translate_menus returned error status 1. } can anyone help ?` |
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| 23:06.15 | simonrvn | if it's installed |
| 23:06.26 | m00p | bryce__: bin it off, causes more problems than it solves |
| 23:06.35 | Azar | simonrvn, I was reading the Componetized Linux roadmap and I don't seem to understand what it means: componetized linux |
| 23:06.35 | Nwallins | macsystem: ? |
| 23:06.48 | simonrvn | htf should i know? |
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| 23:06.58 | S4nD3r_ | How do I mount a CDRW free, to use with apt-zip-list ??? |
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| 23:07.08 | bryce__ | m00p: bin it off? |
| 23:07.11 | Nwallins | Azar: componentized.. sounds ricer |
| 23:07.24 | m00p | bryce__: get rid of it, stop using udev :) |
| 23:07.30 | Azar | is about a new Progeny system |
| 23:07.55 | lord_rob | Hi ! tetex3 is in experimental now, but what's new with this version ? I can't find info anywhere |
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| 23:08.07 | Bug`aw | bonjour |
| 23:08.08 | bryce__ | m00p: it's been working fine until upgrading a bunch of packages the other day |
| 23:08.13 | Analyser | how can i create the www-data user? |
| 23:08.43 | Nwallins | so, is updatedb bailing on me here? /usr/bin/find: error in /etc/mtab: /.dev: No such file or directory |
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| 23:09.07 | m00p | bryce__: prolly not a udev problem then, any new scripts been added that affect perms on /dev/ files? |
| 23:09.12 | macsystem | Nwallins is "/dev" |
| 23:09.35 | ico2_ | ok |
| 23:09.37 | Nwallins | macsystem: you mean, "/.dev" should be "/dev" ? |
| 23:09.53 | bryce__ | m00p: this is what I would guess... but I don't really know enough to know where to start grepping |
| 23:10.03 | ico2_ | i copied all the ones having problems and appended dpkg --purge to the start of each, now to see if it works |
| 23:10.07 | S4nD3r_ | so people |
| 23:10.15 | S4nD3r_ | thank you very much for all help |
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| 23:10.37 | cafuego | jackah: Hi, #debian doesn't care for away and return messages. |
| 23:10.37 | Uberman | hi i have a stupid question can anyone help me out? |
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| 23:11.02 | Uberman | can anyone help me out? |
| 23:11.07 | macsystem | Uberman watch u need? |
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| 23:11.14 | Uberman | its for internet explorer |
| 23:11.20 | Bug`aw | hello i want to upgrade dpkg to sarge. how can i do ? |
| 23:11.21 | Uberman | im having some trouble with it |
| 23:11.23 | m00p | bryce__: hmm start in /etc/init*, assuming that a boot script is possibly doing it |
| 23:11.29 | macsystem | Uberman buuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 23:11.38 | macsystem | Uberman wath |
| 23:11.41 | dvs | !tell Bug`aw about woody->sarge |
| 23:11.41 | Azar | Uberman, Debian does not use Internet Explorer |
| 23:11.42 | peritus | [01 Jan 2005] Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 updated (r5) <- @ debian.org, it's not 01 Jan 2005 today, right? :) |
| 23:11.47 | chealer | Bug`aw: upgrade dpkg to sarge? what do you mean exactly? what's your debian release? |
| 23:11.49 | Uberman | i know im sorry |
| 23:11.54 | morggin | is it possible to update sarge on amd64 from gcc3.3 to gcc3.4 . is that easy to do .. just a matter of repointing gcc link ? |
| 23:11.54 | Uberman | any idea where i can go |
| 23:11.56 | Uberman | to get help? |
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| 23:12.11 | chealer | peritus: heh...good point |
| 23:12.14 | macsystem | Uberman use mozilla |
| 23:12.15 | cafuego | Uberman: www.microsoft.com. Filing a bug costs $85 |
| 23:12.16 | Nwallins | Uberman: probably nowhere on freenode |
| 23:12.33 | cafuego | morggin: yep |
| 23:12.36 | Uberman | anyone know any mIRC channels or servers that can help me? |
| 23:12.43 | cafuego | Uberman: www.microsoft.com. Filing a bug costs $85 |
| 23:13.00 | Uberman | i dont need to file a bug |
| 23:13.04 | Uberman | i just want a channel that knows this stuff |
| 23:13.07 | ico2_ | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo |
| 23:13.07 | Uberman | any ideas? |
| 23:13.09 | ico2_ | it worked |
| 23:13.10 | Chrissy2k5 | when i do dpkg-reconfigure tcl8.4 i get > update-menus[20106]: Script /etc/menu-methods/translate_menus returned error status 1. ---- can anyone help ?` |
| 23:13.11 | cafuego | Then msdn.microsoft.com |
| 23:13.14 | ico2_ | ok, thanks |
| 23:13.15 | ico2_ | cya |
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| 23:13.22 | morggin | cafuego: i did apt-get install gcc-3.4 and right now i have both 3.3 and 3.4 installed ... do i just change the link to gcc ? |
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| 23:13.29 | Bug`aw | the pb when i want to apt dist-upgrade i have thi error : " /usr/bin/dpkg: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /usr/bin/dpkg) |
| 23:13.29 | macsystem | Uberman, wath is our problem? |
| 23:13.46 | cafuego | morggin: Yep, that will work. You could also 'expoort CC=gcc-3.4' in your .shellrc |
| 23:13.47 | Uberman | i cant disable my popup blocker for some reason |
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| 23:13.53 | bryce__ | m00p: hmmm.... file /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions looks like it's what I need to change |
| 23:14.01 | _deathz0r_ | use firefox Uberman |
| 23:14.06 | Uberman | whats that? |
| 23:14.14 | morggin | cafuego: if i did export would i have to do that each time i restart the machine ? |
| 23:14.19 | _deathz0r_ | http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.0.3&os=win&lang=en-US |
| 23:14.20 | morggin | oh wait |
| 23:14.23 | cafuego | Uberman: Please stop trolling, go away. |
| 23:14.24 | macsystem | Uberman, install mozilla-firefox is more easy |
| 23:14.28 | morggin | to my .shellrc i guess not |
| 23:14.32 | chealer | I wonder how some people manage to land on this channel |
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| 23:14.35 | Uberman | ok thanks |
| 23:14.35 | m00p | bryce__: good stuff, even i learnt something :) n1 |
| 23:14.36 | _deathz0r_ | Uberman http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.0.3&os=win&lang=en-US |
| 23:14.37 | Uberman | take care |
| 23:14.38 | peery | so I'm trying to install a debian but am hitting a snap with NIS. The NIS server is up and exporting it's mapping but the debian machine won't accept any passwords when I log in via ssh. If I log in as root and try to su to various users however, then the passwords work. help? |
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| 23:14.59 | cafuego | chealer: it's sunday. Magnetism probably attracts them. |
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| 23:15.20 | chealer | cafuego: ah...my bad, I should get UTC time |
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| 23:15.46 | Azar | cafuego would you have any idea about this? :"beginning in July 2005, Componentized Linux will become a fully supported Progeny product." |
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| 23:16.01 | cafuego | Azar: Doesn't sound like debian to me. |
| 23:16.12 | Azar | but it talks about sarge |
| 23:16.25 | cafuego | So does the military <heh> |
| 23:16.33 | Azar | :) |
| 23:16.40 | Azar | good one |
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| 23:17.24 | Azar | "Another external factor we are taking into consideration is the continued uncertainty over the release of Debian sarge, on which CL's Debian components are based: |
| 23:18.02 | dondelelcaro | Azar: that's someone talking who has very little involvement with the actual release of sarge... |
| 23:18.04 | Azar | oh well, I read but I did not understood much |
| 23:18.05 | bryce__ | m00p: okay, so I'm an idiot. I'm not using udev. I tried restarting my udev daemon and it says that udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.8. |
| 23:18.16 | ermo | how do i make a new config for my wireless card? |
| 23:18.18 | morggin | cafuego: i just created a .shellrc under /root with 'export CC=gcc-2.4' as the contents .. i closed my root session and reopened it .. is there a command i can use to verify that gcc is infact now using 3.4 ? |
| 23:18.19 | bryce__ | m00p: I just have the udev stuff installed |
| 23:18.43 | m00p | bryce__: doh! heh |
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| 23:19.09 | morggin | sorry export CC=gcc-3.4 not 2.4 |
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| 23:19.34 | cafuego | morggin: $CC -v |
| 23:19.57 | cafuego | morggin: it will work on ANY compile that uses a decent Makefile. The kernel is an exception. |
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| 23:22.28 | Azar | right, is not Debian although the name is misleading somehow: is Progeny Debian 2.0 |
| 23:22.29 | Cowardly | Hi there |
| 23:22.39 | ermo | hi |
| 23:22.45 | macsystem | hi |
| 23:22.49 | Cowardly | I have a very simpel question :) |
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| 23:22.57 | Cowardly | I a new to linux (how is it possible:p) |
| 23:23.03 | ermo | :P |
| 23:23.14 | m00p | it name is 'Progeny Debian 2.0 Developer', yes misleading |
| 23:23.32 | Cowardly | what file should I edit to make certain programs to auto start on boot ? |
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| 23:23.34 | Cowardly | Like webalizer |
| 23:23.42 | njan | hmm.. is there any way at all to get smtps to work with clients like evolution that don't like using starttls with debian stable? :/ |
| 23:23.47 | ermo | what distro you got? |
| 23:23.53 | njan | s/smtps/smtps in exim/ |
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| 23:23.56 | terr | I found some bugs in apt-get upgrade in Sarge and filed a bug report. The bots sent a msg back saying I didn't identify the package but I did - and what the fix is too - are they going to get it anyways or did the damn bot just bounce it. |
| 23:24.01 | Vegar | How do I check which compiled-in modules the kernel is using? |
| 23:24.16 | njan | exim has a -tls-on-connect option, but it seems that isn't in the version of exim which ships with debian stable.. |
| 23:24.30 | ermo | Cowardly: what distro you use? |
| 23:24.35 | Nwallins | Cowardly: take a look at /etc/init.d/README |
| 23:24.41 | Cowardly | ty |
| 23:24.42 | DonkeyHote | what happened to bitchx? is it not in sarge? |
| 23:25.04 | Cowardly | ermo: I use woody 3R02 |
| 23:25.09 | chealer | DonkeyHote: no. RC bugs |
| 23:25.16 | DonkeyHote | RC? |
| 23:25.18 | Vegar | DonkeyHote: they don't put crap in sarge |
| 23:25.36 | chealer | DonkeyHote: Release Critical |
| 23:25.37 | Azar | like Vegar said: bitchx - bad bad |
| 23:25.39 | DonkeyHote | Well then, Vegar, what should I use? |
| 23:25.42 | Analyser | DonkeyHote: bitchx.org download it and install. |
| 23:25.52 | Vegar | DonkeyHote: irssi |
| 23:25.59 | DonkeyHote | that's what I just installed... |
| 23:26.06 | DonkeyHote | it doesn't have all the pretty colors. |
| 23:26.13 | m00p | or candidate |
| 23:26.21 | Azar | mine doesn't have pretty women in it |
| 23:26.34 | Vegar | DonkeyHote: it's got themes.. |
| 23:26.43 | brlancer | DonkeyHote: it has plenty of colors |
| 23:26.55 | terr | DonkeyHote: I am rather impressed with Sarge. |
| 23:27.17 | markuman | is hurd unstable or unrunable? |
| 23:27.18 | Azar | terr what is the difference with Sarge? |
| 23:27.19 | DonkeyHote | terr: me too, I was just used to bitchx ;) |
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| 23:27.39 | terr | Azar: what are you comapring it to? |
| 23:27.44 | Nwallins | markuman: it's unstable |
| 23:27.49 | Azar | I have upgraded to Sarge and I do not see much difference /used Woody |
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| 23:28.13 | terr | Konversation is a nicer client too - I used to use an ond kSirc and even that is much improved. |
| 23:28.16 | m00p | irssi i recon is better than bx, but hey personal pref :) |
| 23:28.28 | markuman | thx Nwallins |
| 23:28.33 | DonkeyHote | The real question I came here for: when I do df -h I get something in the list called "tempfs" of about 340M, 0 used, mounted on /dev/shm - I haven't been on the net for more than a few hours with this install, it can't be a rootkit or something like that, is it? |
| 23:28.36 | Azar | for example neither in Woody nor in Sarge I am not able to use the latest nvidia driver, I have to hop in sid |
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| 23:29.06 | m00p | tmpfs, basicly a ramdisk |
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| 23:29.18 | Vegar | udev requires tmpfs |
| 23:29.25 | linoleum | hi guys I got a wierd problem : when I try to run a games (like doom3) under gnome, I got an error about loading /dev/dsp , so I can 't have the saound in the game... but I got the sound to listen music or wathc movies ... so it's strange, and I dont understant . please help |
| 23:29.32 | terr | What we really need is a full virtual mode like IBM put into the S390. DOes anyone know if this is in the works? |
| 23:29.34 | chealer | Azar: hah |
| 23:29.36 | abrotman | DonkeyHote: no .. it's supposed to be there |
| 23:29.36 | njan | linoleum, ps -aux |grep esd |
| 23:29.38 | DonkeyHote | I don't think I installed any type of ramdisk... |
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| 23:29.41 | Vegar | linoleum: check if esd is running |
| 23:29.44 | njan | linoleum, see if you have esd (enlightenment sound daemon) running |
| 23:29.44 | dondelelcaro | terr: what, like UML? |
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| 23:29.52 | m00p | no thats what it is |
| 23:30.17 | linoleum | Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html |
| 23:30.17 | linoleum | linoleum 10161 0.0 0.0 2068 756 pts/2 R+ 01:29 0:00 grep esd |
| 23:30.18 | Azar | chealer, luckily I am addicted / used to command line, not dying to get X, so the loss is diminished there |
| 23:30.22 | DonkeyHote | well... I know I enabled support for it, so how do I set one up? |
| 23:30.29 | abrotman | DonkeyHote: it's supposed to be there |
| 23:30.33 | terr | DonkeyHote: You mean User Mode Linux... I think it is more restrictive. I'd like to be able to run Sarge in woody for instance. |
| 23:30.50 | linoleum | so I gess esd loaded ... |
| 23:30.59 | linoleum | I dont understant why, what can I do? |
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| 23:31.07 | dondelelcaro | terr: you can do that in UML. Hell, you can even do that just using debootstrap and chroot. |
| 23:31.11 | DonkeyHote | terr: regarding what? |
| 23:31.20 | terr | DonkeyHote: I've found there are bugs in Open Office for instance where v1.1.3 does not read a file created by v1.1.0 and it would be really nice to run the old v1.1.0 to confirm this. |
| 23:31.24 | Vegar | linoleum: it's not running |
| 23:31.36 | linoleum | ha |
| 23:31.40 | linoleum | and it should? |
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| 23:31.43 | DonkeyHote | ahh |
| 23:31.44 | Vegar | linoleum: lsof |grep /dev/dsp |
| 23:31.50 | Vegar | linoleum: no, it shouldn't |
| 23:31.53 | SuperSox | I'm having a problem with a pcmcia card, its not getting a 'dev' whenever I plug it in even although the card manager correctly identifies it, any suggestions? |
| 23:31.55 | terr | how would I do this in debootstrap? and I don't see how chroot accomplishes it either. |
| 23:32.01 | dondelelcaro | in fact, it's surprisingly trivial. mkdir sarge_root; debootstrap sarge sarge_root; chroot sarge_root; |
| 23:32.04 | Overand | if I'm on a system running gdm, can i terminate GDM (and subsequently X) without telling the system to halt? |
| 23:32.08 | linoleum | lol : lsof: WARNING: can't stat() reiserfs file system /dev/.static/dev |
| 23:32.08 | linoleum | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.12 | m00p | DonkeyHote: tmpfs is normal, dont worry about it |
| 23:32.18 | abrotman | Overand: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 23:32.21 | terr | DonkeyHote: what does deboot do? |
| 23:32.29 | DonkeyHote | Overand: do you intend to simply not use a graphical logon? |
| 23:32.39 | Vegar | linoleum: that's not important |
| 23:32.40 | DonkeyHote | deboot? I don't know. |
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| 23:32.44 | dondelelcaro | terr: time to read the manpage. And it would help if you could also nick complete correctly. |
| 23:32.53 | Vegar | linoleum: wait til it's done, it'll give you some output |
| 23:32.57 | DonkeyHote | terr: or is that a request that I issue said commmand? |
| 23:33.15 | Overand | DonkeyHote: nah, i just need to kill x. if i don't want it, i'll probably just remove GDM |
| 23:33.23 | paulswm | See y'all |
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| 23:33.28 | dondelelcaro | DonkeyHote: no, terr is having a hard time nick completing 'dondelelcaro' |
| 23:33.34 | terr | DonkeyHote: I'm just new to the konversation i/f and mistyped the tab to expand your nic - but I did note you missed on your next post too. |
| 23:33.40 | Overand | abrotman: thanks. duh, jeez. you'd think i'd have figured that out by now |
| 23:33.51 | abrotman | Overand: perhaps .. |
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| 23:33.58 | dondelelcaro | terr: uh... you're still talking to the wrong person |
| 23:34.06 | linoleum | Vegar, it doesn't give any info |
| 23:34.28 | Vegar | linoleum: ls -l /dev/dsp then? |
| 23:34.34 | terr | dondelelcaro: sorry about that. again I'm just used to Ksirc... sorry. |
| 23:34.37 | DonkeyHote | Overand: well, you can always do the ctrl-alt-bksp way of exiting X... I don't know how clean it is... |
| 23:34.43 | abrotman | terr: so use a different client |
| 23:34.56 | linoleum | Vegar, there is no /dev/dsp |
| 23:34.58 | abrotman | DonkeyHote: that doesn't exit .. that crashes .. and if you're running gdm .. just restarts it |
| 23:35.03 | Vegar | linoleum: ah, that explains it |
| 23:35.11 | terr | abrotman: why - I like konversation. Its just I've only used it for a sum total of 5 mins. |
| 23:35.23 | abrotman | terr: right .. |
| 23:35.26 | Vegar | linoleum: sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 23:35.34 | linoleum | Vegar, :) , well but before, I used to be under fluxbox, and there was no problem ... it's just now , because I am under gnome maybe ... |
| 23:35.37 | DonkeyHote | Overand: well, either way, I'd just apt-get uninstall gdm xdm kdm and that should take care of gdm and all its problems. |
| 23:36.04 | m00p | drink more, it helps :P |
| 23:36.14 | abrotman | DonkeyHote: why the hell would he do that? |
| 23:36.20 | terr | abrotman: one thing this channel should change is that "log in as root" restriction. If someone cannot get their system to run X then they are more or less screwed here. |
| 23:36.26 | Vegar | linoleum: did you get any errors when running modprobe? |
| 23:36.28 | abrotman | DonkeyHote: that is not even fucking close to what he asked how to fucking do .. dumbass |
| 23:36.39 | caphuso | terr: normal users can use the console too |
| 23:36.44 | linoleum | Vegar, no error |
| 23:36.50 | linoleum | but , did I load the OSS modules? |
| 23:37.02 | Vegar | linoleum: you loaded the oss emulation modules |
| 23:37.11 | Vegar | linoleum: ls -l /dev/dsp again, does it exist? |
| 23:37.16 | terr | caphuso: I guess I'm abnormal then because I've never used a consol mode IRC client and I would not think I'm a novice user. |
| 23:37.41 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeesh. calm down |
| 23:37.42 | DonkeyHote | abrotman: that's just what I said I would do, since I prefer a non-graphical login, whether he likes my opinion or not is up to him. |
| 23:37.48 | linoleum | Vegar, yes there is the /dev/dsp now |
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| 23:38.02 | linoleum | should I remove the oss emulation? |
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| 23:38.14 | Vegar | linoleum: no |
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| 23:38.22 | abrotman | DonkeyHote: but you're telling him to do things that don't answer the question he asked |
| 23:38.23 | Vegar | linoleum: do your games work now? |
| 23:38.32 | linoleum | Vegar, but I dont understant, before, there was no problem ... why I can't have the sound now ? |
| 23:38.39 | linoleum | Vegar, I try |
| 23:38.41 | dondelelcaro | terr: they can come into the channel, and then they get informed automatically by the bots that it's not something that they should be doing. Otherwise they just argue about it, which wastes time. |
| 23:38.59 | war- | In Debian Sarge, how come my current logs are name.0 or messgaes.0 instead of /var/log/messages they are message.0 (where the new ones go) - I have not modified anything, anyone have any idea? |
| 23:39.05 | DonkeyHote | abrotman: well if he does not have a graphical login, when he logs out of his window manager, it takes him to the terminal, and I was just saying that that is how I prefer it |
| 23:39.19 | dondelelcaro | war-: you havent' hupped syslog since logrotate rolled through |
| 23:39.20 | linoleum | Vegar, yes, the sound works now |
| 23:39.25 | m00p | result |
| 23:39.33 | Vegar | linoleum: no problem then |
| 23:39.39 | linoleum | Vegar, but can you explain me , why before it worked, and not anymore? |
| 23:39.43 | abrotman | DonkeyHote: lovely |
| 23:39.44 | DonkeyHote | abrotman: plus - he's not even actively participating in the conversation, so this is moot for us to argue about it. |
| 23:39.45 | war- | don_inlab: so I must do that every time evvery time debian runs logrotate? |
| 23:39.54 | markuman | someone here runs with debian-hurd-unstable? |
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| 23:39.59 | dondelelcaro | war-: it should have occured automatically |
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| 23:40.12 | war- | don_inlab: does it occur automatically for you |
| 23:40.17 | linoleum | Vegar, tkx a lot anyway you saved my life :) |
| 23:40.17 | dondelelcaro | markuman: try #debian-hurd |
| 23:40.21 | furrywolf | no clogged epsons at garage sales today... instead got 768mb of rdramm and two crimms for $45, and a new copy machine. :) |
| 23:40.23 | dondelelcaro | war-: I don't use syslog. |
| 23:40.34 | war- | k |
| 23:40.40 | Vegar | linoleum: Maybe something else changed. |
| 23:40.47 | dondelelcaro | damnit... ssh on the router died. |
| 23:40.54 | Vegar | linoleum: add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules if you want it to load on boot |
| 23:40.55 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 23:41.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's nto good .. |
| 23:41.06 | terr | dondelelcaro: then make it irritating - that should accompliish the goal. Butif something happens and you can only run as root (which is what happened to me) then you are basically banned from getting any help and in my case the problem is bugs in the sarge apt-get upgrade. |
| 23:41.08 | abrotman | i wonder if he knows that's not good |
| 23:41.09 | markuman | thx, dondelelcaro. 3 users with me :-D |
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| 23:41.30 | simonrvn | oh bullshit. never heard of su? |
| 23:41.34 | dondelelcaro | markuman: yeah, not that many people use hurd... you could also try #hurd |
| 23:41.40 | m00p | or sudo |
| 23:41.45 | Overand | anyone here know how to workaround the apt-proxy-import 'suitable backend not found' error in version 1.9.28? |
| 23:41.47 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: a portknocker restarting ssh is a nice thing to have in such cases |
| 23:41.48 | simonrvn | su - someuser |
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| 23:41.55 | m00p | switchuser |
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| 23:42.06 | Azar | superuser |
| 23:42.07 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: yeah, I'm not quite sure if that's what happened... because it just stopped in the middle of upgrading something |
| 23:42.12 | markuman | thx, dondelelcaro. |
| 23:42.12 | abrotman | switchuser |
| 23:42.14 | abrotman | man su |
| 23:42.26 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: it's a crappy k62 133 iirc. |
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| 23:42.36 | simonrvn | i'm not talking about running shit as root, i'm talking about su'ing to another user. sheesh |
| 23:42.47 | abrotman | that's what i said |
| 23:42.48 | linoleum | Vegar, is there any difference of performance, between the normal alsa and the oss emulation? |
| 23:42.51 | dondelelcaro | (although, since I'm connected through the machine, I'm in no hurry to play with it this second) |
| 23:42.53 | m00p | me 2 :) |
| 23:43.03 | Vegar | linoleum: not that I'm aware of |
| 23:43.04 | terr | dondelelcaro: damn - debootstrap looks interesting. How does it accomplish what it does? Is it running UML or does it vectorize the mahine? |
| 23:43.05 | Azar | thanks, I allways thought is superuser |
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| 23:43.13 | dondelelcaro | terr: it's just a script. That's it. |
| 23:43.18 | Vegar | linoleum: don't worry about it |
| 23:43.28 | RootsLINUX | I just had a dream, and in my dream I was doing nothing but typing commands into a command prompt. |
| 23:43.44 | RootsLINUX | Maybe I've been doing a little too much hacking lately @_@ |
| 23:43.46 | dondelelcaro | 236 lines of buttery shell goodness |
| 23:43.49 | abrotman | it's 630 in texas |
| 23:43.49 | terr | dondelelcaro: well what does the script do? Does it have the ability to run a foreign OS like VMware does? |
| 23:43.51 | linoleum | Vegar, ok tkx :) |
| 23:43.54 | njan | hmm. Is there any way at all to use smtp securely with exim in debian stable? |
| 23:43.54 | dondelelcaro | terr: no. |
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| 23:43.55 | CASP | hi |
| 23:44.14 | chealer | RootsLINUX: don't worry, these things happen |
| 23:44.19 | dondelelcaro | terr: it's only purpose is to install a version of Debian into a chroot. Since that's what you were asking about, that's what I told you about. |
| 23:44.23 | terr | dondelelcaro: Perhaps it neuters the kernel in some manner... |
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| 23:44.34 | dondelelcaro | terr: no, it has nothing to do with the kernel. |
| 23:44.42 | dondelelcaro | s/it's/its/ |
| 23:44.44 | bryce__ | m00p: okay, I think I might have been using udev, then I upgraded my system, and udev will no longer work with my 2.6.7 kernel |
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| 23:45.05 | terr | dondelelcaro: well that is certainly useful. I do run vmware however and I do need more operating systems for testing purposes. |
| 23:45.06 | Vegar | bryce__: udev requires tmpfs compiled into the kernel |
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| 23:45.30 | m00p | bryce__: ok, what is it, you using udev now, or not? |
| 23:45.30 | kyncani | bryce__: upgrade your kernel |
| 23:45.36 | simonrvn | @lart njan |
| 23:45.53 | Vegar | bryce__: "ROM file system support" in menuconfig |
| 23:45.56 | terr | dondelelcaro: IBM's S390 VM was wonderful to use. Our computers today are far more powerful and can esily do it. |
| 23:45.59 | simonrvn | what? |
| 23:46.00 | m00p | bryce__: all those other comments 2 :) |
| 23:46.12 | simonrvn | tmpfs is not rom fs |
| 23:46.21 | dondelelcaro | terr: eh, then use vmware, or use uml. |
| 23:46.24 | njan | simonrvn, you suck :p |
| 23:46.28 | Vegar | simonrvn: udev worked when I enabled that |
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| 23:46.40 | dondelelcaro | terr: there are already FS things extant to do that. |
| 23:46.46 | Vegar | bryce__: and Block devices -> RAM disk support |
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| 23:46.52 | njan | simonrvn, seriously, though. The version of exim that ships with stable doesn't support the -tls-on-connect option, which I can't find *any* way around whilst using evolution as a client.. |
| 23:47.04 | m00p | udev just causes more problems than is solves, my view, get rid of it (bin it off) |
| 23:47.09 | Vegar | bryce__: and Initial RAM disk (initrd) support |
| 23:47.11 | terr | dondelelcaro: what do you mean by the term FS? |
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| 23:47.27 | dondelelcaro | terr: Free Software |
| 23:47.33 | dondelelcaro | terr: like XEN, FE. |
| 23:47.36 | dondelelcaro | !xen |
| 23:47.37 | dpkg | methinks xen is A big iron tool for white-box PCs. Some say it's like IBM zSeries *NIX/390. Others say it's like VMware ESX Server. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen ! -+Also takes 32 MB of RAM no matter what. |
| 23:47.41 | Azar | njan, maybe if you update/upgrade you get a newer exim |
| 23:47.53 | m00p | udev a cool idea, in practice, a pain |
| 23:48.00 | njan | Azar, I'd have to install the version of exim from unstable or testing, and that would almost certainly break things. |
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| 23:48.05 | cafuego | or you could install postfix-tls |
| 23:48.05 | Vegar | How do I check which compiled-in modules the kernel is using? |
| 23:48.09 | cafuego | Vegar: lsmod |
| 23:48.12 | terr | dondelelcaro: I know there are some things. Can you tell me where to read up on XEN and FE? |
| 23:48.12 | epictetus | lsmod |
| 23:48.13 | epictetus | yeah |
| 23:48.23 | simonrvn | njan: backport it, or get a backported one |
| 23:48.23 | Vegar | compiled-in |
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| 23:48.27 | Azar | njan, no, I did not ment to upgrade to sarge or sid, just to upgrade packages for woody |
| 23:48.28 | m00p | yeah drop exim, install postfix |
| 23:48.28 | dvs | Vegar: less /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 23:48.31 | bryce__ | okay...... too fast.... At one point, everything was fine. Then I upgraded my system, and I think udev stopped working. |
| 23:48.40 | bryce__ | Is it possible that upgrading udev broke udev? |
| 23:48.40 | cafuego | Vegar: modules are BY DEFINITION not compiled-in. |
| 23:48.41 | simonrvn | postfix in woody is just as old |
| 23:48.43 | njan | Azar, yeah, that's what would almost certainly break things |
| 23:48.47 | dondelelcaro | terr: see the links dpkg gave out |
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| 23:49.02 | cafuego | simonrvn: yes, but due to it being postfix, ast least it doesn't suck. |
| 23:49.03 | njan | simonrvn, hmm.. any idea where I'd go about finding such a thing for stable? |
| 23:49.04 | m00p | bryce__: so the problem started after udev? |
| 23:49.05 | dondelelcaro | terr: FE== For Example |
| 23:49.07 | Vegar | dvs: I wanna check what I don't need in the kernel config |
| 23:49.10 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh yeh |
| 23:49.10 | Azar | jnah, why so? apt-get update/upgrade with "stable" sources will never break things |
| 23:49.19 | simonrvn | @backports |
| 23:49.22 | simonrvn | @backport |
| 23:49.23 | ravenbird | i heard backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. |
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| 23:49.30 | simonrvn | meh |
| 23:50.13 | terr | dondelelcaro: thanx - there is no deb package for XEN... |
| 23:50.13 | m00p | exim a cool package that went baddly wrong, went config crazy, then postfix arrived, mass exodus :) |
| 23:50.21 | bryce__ | m00p: I think the problem is that after upgrading udev, it no longer wants to play with my current kernel |
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| 23:50.33 | dondelelcaro | !info xen experimental |
| 23:50.34 | dvs | Vegar: That file will show you what options are compiled in the kernel that you are running (assuming that you are using a Debian precompiled kernel) |
| 23:50.40 | Azar | m00p I was not able to work one single thing with postfix, I guess exim has a purpose there |
| 23:50.46 | Vegar | dvs: it's a custom kernel |
| 23:50.47 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: did they let it in? |
| 23:50.55 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's in experimental |
| 23:51.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg doesn't think so :) |
| 23:51.14 | m00p | bryce__: dude, i think the simple solution is to stop using it. udev on desktop is pointless |
| 23:51.14 | dvs | Vegar: Then I can't help you. You need to find the .config file that you used to compile it. |
| 23:51.19 | Vegar | dvs: I wanna know which of the three sata controller drivers I'm using |
| 23:51.21 | Thanatermesis | how to look the OP users in one channel ? |
| 23:51.26 | dondelelcaro | !info xen experimental |
| 23:51.31 | dpkg | xen: (a Virtual Machine Monitor like User-Mode-Linux), section misc, is extra. Version: 2.0.5-3 (experimental), Packaged size: 438 kB, Installed size: 1480 kB |
| 23:51.32 | Vegar | dvs: s/know/check/ |
| 23:51.44 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what was wrong with the first time ? |
| 23:51.44 | m00p | Azar: person pref, i hate exim, to complicated for what it does |
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| 23:51.53 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: 1.2 is in sid, 2.0.5 is in experimental |
| 23:52.03 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i meant the first time you asked dpkg |
| 23:52.04 | caphuso | m00p: you mean "too complicated because it does everything you'll ever need?" |
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| 23:52.14 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it was looking for the files... not quite sure what actually happened |
| 23:52.17 | bryce__ | m00p: okay - well I've stopped using it because the daemon won't run anymore with my current kernel. but I have this /dev/.udevdb file kicking around that prevents makedev from running |
| 23:52.22 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he burped :) |
| 23:52.25 | Azar | njan how did you configured your apt sources? for stable, testing or unstable? |
| 23:52.54 | m00p | caphuso: to complicated todo anything. Its going the sendmail route. personal pref |
| 23:53.00 | bryce__ | m00p: I think I'm just going to upgrade my kernel, and hope that everything magically works |
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| 23:53.18 | m00p | bryce__: k dude |
| 23:53.31 | bryce__ | thanks for the help all |
| 23:53.36 | dpkg | xen: (a Virtual Machine Monitor like User-Mode-Linux), section misc, is extra. Version: 2.0.5-3 (experimental), Packaged size: 438 kB, Installed size: 1480 kB |
| 23:53.37 | m00p | hf |
| 23:53.40 | caphuso | m00p: funny how so many people managed to setup exim then... |
| 23:54.02 | m00p | caphuso: ffs i'm not saying its impossible, postfix is easier thats all |
| 23:54.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he's on slo-mo mode? |
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| 23:54.15 | caphuso | m00p: it's also less flexible |
| 23:54.27 | njan | Azar, stable |
| 23:54.32 | m00p | caphuso: bollocks |
| 23:54.48 | Azar | then, njan you do not have to worry, you can update/upgrade anytime with no fear |
| 23:55.28 | njan | Azar, I never doubted that; but the latest exim package in stable is incredibly out of date :p |
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| 23:55.53 | Azar | njan you can search for a newer exim package that would work with woody |
| 23:56.18 | caphuso | njan: did you install the exim-tls package? |
| 23:57.26 | m00p | njan: you can go the source route |
| 23:57.35 | Thanatermesis | how to look the OP persons in one channel, I need to speak a the OP's persons from debian-es |
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| 23:57.45 | njan | caphuso, yup. Like I said, it supports tls with starttls, but evolution apparantly just doesn't do starttls, it requires exim running with -tls-on-connect on port 465 (smtps) |
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| 23:57.50 | njan | m00p, I can, but I'd rather not. :p |
| 23:57.50 | terr | I found some bugs in apt-get upgrade in Sarge and filed a bug report. The bots sent a msg back saying I didn't identify the package but I did - and what the fix is too - are they going to get it anyways or did the damn bot just bounce it. |
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| 23:58.05 | m00p | njan: you might not have a choice |
| 23:58.09 | terr | I asked that b4 but I didn't see a response |
| 23:58.11 | njan | m00p, there's always a choice :p |
| 23:58.13 | caphuso | njan: ah, yes, you need exim4 for that |
| 23:58.21 | m00p | heh |
| 23:58.23 | m00p | gl |
| 23:58.37 | njan | caphuso, afaik there isn't an exim4 package in stable, is there? |
| 23:58.38 | caphuso | njan: or use a decent MUA... |
| 23:58.40 | caphuso | njan: nope |
| 23:58.49 | njan | bah. I'm seriously considering postfix. :p |
| 23:59.07 | m00p | it is easier |
| 23:59.18 | m00p | your options r limited |
| 23:59.18 | gartt | Do you need to have an ftp daemon on either box to use sftp? |
| 23:59.27 | gartt | Or can you just do it over ssh? |
| 23:59.28 | njan | maybe so, m00p, I'd just feel so dirty using postfix instead of exim :p |
| 23:59.37 | m00p | lol |
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| 23:59.57 | m00p | doto the dark side! |
