| 00:00.00 | m00p | goto |
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| 00:00.33 | m00p | gartt: wtf? sftp only works with ssh |
| 00:00.33 | caphuso | njan: according the the evolution 1.2 release notes it should be able to use STARTTLS |
| 00:00.40 | green_earz | gartt: ssh looks after sftp |
| 00:00.48 | LunarCrisis | I've installed the java 5 SDK from sun, but how do I let aptitude know I have sun-j2sdk1.5 installed? |
| 00:00.53 | caphuso | * STARTTLS support for POP, SMTP and IMAP has been added. |
| 00:00.57 | njan | caphuso, well, version 2.2.1.1 doesn't appear to be able to. |
| 00:01.01 | ermo | lkmd |
| 00:01.01 | ermo | test |
| 00:01.23 | ermo | cxv |
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| 00:01.56 | kreg | anyone up for an ip question? |
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| 00:02.24 | m00p | go on then |
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| 00:02.40 | kreg | 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.224 wil divide 192.168.0.0 into 8 nifty pieces. the last of those 8 pieces would be 192.168.0.224 255.255.255.224 I understand that. but how do i then divide the network 192.168.0.224 into 8 more pices? |
| 00:02.42 | kreg | >: ) |
| 00:03.17 | m00p | taxi! |
| 00:03.30 | abrotman | kreg: would you really want to? |
| 00:03.34 | Delph | If considering netmasks, and are confused, learn binary and write them as that =:) |
| 00:03.42 | kreg | it's just a learning question. not a practical application |
| 00:03.45 | abrotman | kreg: google for netmask |
| 00:03.54 | abrotman | kreg: you could do it .. but it's not practical |
| 00:04.02 | kreg | i know bin |
| 00:04.29 | abrotman | well .. /27 is 32ips |
| 00:04.34 | kreg | 11100000 is the 224. just don't see how to mask next to divide into another 8 |
| 00:04.41 | caphuso | njan: that looks like either a bug in evolution, or a misconfiguration |
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| 00:05.04 | abrotman | kreg: 11111100 ? |
| 00:05.12 | Delph | looks like a sensible one to me. |
| 00:05.18 | kreg | ok, 32 remaining ip's can be divided into 8 more chunks. that would be ....um 8 chuncks of 4 ip's i think. |
| 00:05.21 | abrotman | kreg: http://www.batch.com/netmask.html |
| 00:05.36 | Thanatermesis | how to look the OP persons in one channel, I need to speak a the OP's persons from debian-es |
| 00:05.40 | abrotman | kreg: kind of .. you need broadcast/network for each subnet therein |
| 00:05.53 | caphuso | Thanatermesis: /msg chanserv access #debian-es list |
| 00:05.57 | Thanatermesis | thanks |
| 00:05.58 | kreg | well ya, but just ip's in general. regardless of what's useable |
| 00:06.14 | abrotman | ie .. with /27 you get 30 usable .. but you can divide to 8 segments with each having 2 usable IPs |
| 00:06.21 | abrotman | actually |
| 00:06.26 | abrotman | just 1 .. unless you want no router |
| 00:06.51 | kreg | abrotman, what led you to say 11111100? masking down to the last 2 bits, but not certain why. |
| 00:07.02 | abrotman | kreg: do you know how binary works? |
| 00:07.08 | abrotman | and the netmask ? |
| 00:07.15 | kreg | you have 2 bits left, so that's 4 |
| 00:07.27 | abrotman | so what's the problem? |
| 00:07.37 | kreg | guess i don't see the connection |
| 00:07.40 | kreg | 4 what |
| 00:07.49 | Azar | kreg: http://www.ipprimer.com/bitbybit.cfm |
| 00:07.55 | abrotman | no kidding |
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| 00:08.16 | kreg | yep been through that good ol page |
| 00:08.31 | abrotman | kreg: i think you need to read some network basics .. you really don't understand how a netmask works? |
| 00:08.31 | njan | caphuso, I'm starting to think that.. but netcat sees exim advertising startttls, but if I snort evolution's transaction with the mailserver, it's definitely unencrypted. |
| 00:08.38 | Azar | kreg then you should be mastering then |
| 00:09.06 | kreg | i understand the mask. but what higher governing power chose that 11111100 divides nicely into 8 chunks? all i'm seeing is 4 bits. |
| 00:09.23 | Azar | kreg, ok then try this: http://www.garykessler.net/library/subnet_masks.html |
| 00:09.45 | kreg | dude my google works great. i just wanted to ask a person now that i've been trhough those. |
| 00:10.00 | Azar | hm ok |
| 00:10.00 | caphuso | njan: concentrate on getting evolution fixed. there's not much point in setting up some stupid legacy crap just for a broken/misconfigured client |
| 00:10.15 | abrotman | kreg: so .. what don't you understand? |
| 00:10.35 | caphuso | njan: and if evolution ever had support for STARTTLS, then it's very unlikely that it has been removed deliberately |
| 00:11.16 | kreg | 192.168.0.224 / 255.255.255.11111100 is dividing 192.168.0.224 - 192.168.0.255 into 8 sections. but i'm not sure how 11111100 (two unmasked bits) makes 192.168.0.224 split like that. |
| 00:11.21 | Eclipser | geez |
| 00:11.30 | Eclipser | regenerating fonts cache takes ages |
| 00:11.32 | m00p | to many numbers |
| 00:11.36 | abrotman | kreg: try a normal notation |
| 00:12.14 | abrotman | kreg: it's a mask ... |
| 00:12.46 | dvs | kreg: that's 192.168.0.224 / 255.255.255.252 |
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| 00:13.02 | kreg | dvs, i know. i was attempting to be more visual |
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| 00:13.42 | dvs | kreg: the highest address on that network is 192.168.0.227 |
| 00:13.42 | abrotman | kreg: try 192.168.0.224/30 |
| 00:13.43 | abrotman | err .. wait |
| 00:13.58 | njan | caphuso, tbh, right now I'd be happy with getting encrypted smtp of some kind working :p |
| 00:14.24 | m00p | njan: dark side :) |
| 00:14.35 | abrotman | kreg: if you say 192.168.0.224/27 .. that's 32ips .. 192.168.0.224/30 is 4 |
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| 00:14.53 | kreg | abrotman, i think i'm seeing what you are saying |
| 00:15.14 | kreg | abrotman, i think i'm ahead a step of the concept. ok so let me try and explain it a different way and see if you agree |
| 00:15.20 | njan | m00p, You may fight me with tls.. you may fight me with your integrated webmail.. I will never surrender :p |
| 00:15.36 | m00p | lol |
| 00:16.12 | m00p | the force is strong with this one :) |
| 00:16.42 | kreg | 192.168.0.224/30. the /30 will mask the network address 192.168.0.224 to a limit of 4. hence the two unmasked bits. So since there are only 4, "something" says ok now make another chuck of 4, another chunck of 4, until the last octet reaches 255 ? |
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| 00:17.20 | dvs | kreg: 192.168.0.232/30, 192.168.0.236/30, ... |
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| 00:17.23 | abrotman | kreg: uhm .. i think you got it .. |
| 00:17.35 | abrotman | .224/30 .228/30 etc |
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| 00:17.41 | daaku | anyone know of a program that'll let me write onto PDF's? (to fill static forms) |
| 00:18.01 | kreg | is there such web based calculator that can list that. in this case, i'm looking at a second set of 8 that are "underneath" the /27 |
| 00:18.06 | m00p | njan: kinda lost the thread on this one. u still on exim vs postfix or on something else? |
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| 00:18.25 | King_Brad | what is the command to find out where each drive is? |
| 00:18.25 | sanity | we are considering a Linux version of this :- http://indy.tv/ - can anyone recommend a fast way to develop a linux client? (right now it is windows) |
| 00:18.35 | King_Brad | like dirve 1 drive 2 drive 3 |
| 00:18.39 | kreg | abrotman, cool |
| 00:18.42 | King_Brad | in /dev/hd* |
| 00:18.44 | King_Brad | or whatever |
| 00:18.46 | abrotman | kreg: yes .. and there is one in debian |
| 00:18.55 | abrotman | King_Brad: df ? |
| 00:19.01 | King_Brad | that shows free diskspace |
| 00:19.04 | dvs | kreg: a set of 8 would be /29 |
| 00:19.07 | King_Brad | i need to find out what drive it is |
| 00:19.14 | King_Brad | and tell the os to mount that drive on startup |
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| 00:19.22 | King_Brad | i thought it was cfdisk |
| 00:19.35 | King_Brad | but that doesnt work |
| 00:19.43 | kreg | dvs, ya i meant that sorry. |
| 00:19.43 | abrotman | King_Brad: fdisk -l ? |
| 00:19.51 | King_Brad | nope |
| 00:20.00 | abrotman | King_Brad: works for me |
| 00:20.03 | m00p | install one then |
| 00:20.06 | King_Brad | hrm |
| 00:20.12 | King_Brad | cfdisk is'nt installed |
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| 00:20.18 | King_Brad | what would be the default drive ? |
| 00:20.18 | kreg | dvs, oh wait. hmmm |
| 00:20.25 | abrotman | King_Brad: i already told you how to do it |
| 00:20.33 | abrotman | King_Brad: /j #flood if you want to see |
| 00:20.36 | dvs | kreg: so you want 192.168.0.224/29, 192.168.0.232/29, 192.168.0.240/29, ... |
| 00:21.01 | dvs | kreg: and you can only have 4 of them. |
| 00:21.03 | kreg | dvs, trying to find a net calc that can help me practice that |
| 00:21.16 | kreg | i guess that's more of a sub of a sub |
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| 00:21.33 | abrotman | King_Brad: is that what you want? |
| 00:21.51 | cafuego | kreg: apt-get install ipcalc |
| 00:21.51 | bbrazil | kreg: ipcalc |
| 00:22.09 | kreg | bah, my ip calculator is the marker board >: ) |
| 00:22.10 | m00p | abrotman: man he is confusing me, thx |
| 00:22.14 | kreg | jk thanks |
| 00:22.21 | abrotman | m00p: huh? |
| 00:22.36 | m00p | abrotman: nm, you asked the Q |
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| 00:22.47 | abrotman | m00p: i did? |
| 00:23.03 | m00p | abrotman: hehe nm :) |
| 00:23.20 | abrotman | m00p: you're making the heads spin |
| 00:23.20 | njan | m00p, in that instance, it was sort of a case of exim-vs-* ;) |
| 00:23.24 | cafuego | Hmm, new NIN song sounds nice :-) |
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| 00:24.15 | King_Brad | how |
| 00:24.20 | m00p | abrotman: nm |
| 00:24.23 | King_Brad | do i get it to see and use fat32? |
| 00:24.25 | cafuego | why |
| 00:24.26 | King_Brad | is it possable? |
| 00:24.31 | WolfCub | Hey do you guys have any experience with a PCI tv tuner on Debian sarge? I need to know what's a good one to get... |
| 00:24.34 | cafuego | !vfat-rw |
| 00:24.35 | m00p | njan: errrr? what? |
| 00:24.35 | akumu | can someone help me mount my usb key? |
| 00:24.42 | cafuego | !vfatrw |
| 00:24.42 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 00:24.52 | dvs | WolfCub: my Leadtek Winfast 2000/XP works fine |
| 00:25.00 | King_Brad | ty |
| 00:25.04 | WolfCub | Is it cheap? |
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| 00:25.13 | dvs | WolfCub: under $100 CDN. |
| 00:25.16 | cafuego | WolfCub: Go to linuxJournal. Search for HDTV pci cards. |
| 00:25.17 | WolfCub | Ok cool. |
| 00:25.19 | abrotman | YourGymTeacher: mr. hort? |
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| 00:25.31 | stew | WolfCub: i'm using hauppauge 250s. They are completely hassle free, but i think there are others out there with better record quality |
| 00:25.35 | WolfCub | One more thing, do tv tuners work with antenna tv? |
| 00:25.48 | stew | WolfCub: yes |
| 00:25.53 | cafuego | WolfCub: As long as you can plug in coax it should be fine. |
| 00:26.03 | WolfCub | Thanks a lot guys. |
| 00:26.04 | abrotman | stew: how was danville? |
| 00:26.11 | stew | you tell me |
| 00:26.16 | abrotman | stew: too short |
| 00:26.23 | abrotman | 2 hour drive .. each way .. only there for 5 hours |
| 00:26.42 | stew | i want to a fat lunch today with my wifes crazy uncle |
| 00:26.55 | abrotman | what's a fat lunch? |
| 00:27.00 | stew | he's a nut and we went through many bottles of expensive wine |
| 00:27.03 | m00p | u want? |
| 00:27.08 | abrotman | stew: isn't that good? |
| 00:27.10 | akumu | could u help me mount my usb key? when i try mounting it, it tells me: wrong fs type, bad option, badsuperblock on /dev/sda missing codepage or other error |
| 00:27.17 | stew | abrotman: it was extremely good |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | stew: yay ... |
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| 00:27.34 | abrotman | stew: i wanted to go to sly fox .. noone around to go :( |
| 00:27.39 | peterrooney | glitch in X: when pressing the equals key (next to the delete key) , i get 9= instead of = and its still irritaing me, for i do not want to do all programming in console. with shift, i get (+ instead of + |
| 00:27.59 | stew | :( |
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| 00:28.08 | abrotman | peterrooney: you mean next to the bksp key? |
| 00:28.25 | m00p | peterrooney: RTFM |
| 00:28.31 | akumu | peterrooney, try switching keyboards |
| 00:28.35 | ArdomusMorty | how do i renew my ip is there something for debian like windows's ipconfig /renew? |
| 00:28.50 | gravity | ArdomusMorty: man ifconfig |
| 00:28.52 | akumu | peterrooney, it happened to me once, it was cuz the keyboard was messed up |
| 00:28.54 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:28.57 | gravity | ArdomusMorty: Also man interfaces |
| 00:29.00 | caphuso | ArdomusMorty: ifdown foo; ifup foo |
| 00:29.06 | ArdomusMorty | thanks |
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| 00:29.50 | akumu | could u help me mount my usb key? when i try mounting it, it tells me: wrong fs type, bad option, badsuperblock on /dev/sda missing codepage or other error |
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| 00:30.18 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:30.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:30.29 | abrotman | akumu: what command are you typing? |
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| 00:30.35 | lvdz | hello |
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| 00:30.49 | m00p | lvdz: lo |
| 00:31.02 | lvdz | could someone help me out with the /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:31.10 | akumu | abrotman, i say mount /mnt/USBkey |
| 00:31.12 | m00p | go for it |
| 00:31.21 | lvdz | i dont know what url to write down in it |
| 00:31.27 | lvdz | and the syntax as well |
| 00:31.32 | dvs | akumu: That's incomplete |
| 00:31.42 | akumu | abrotman, cuz ive got fstab set up |
| 00:31.42 | lvdz | in order to get packages and updates |
| 00:31.46 | dvs | akumu: unless it's in your /etc/fstab file |
| 00:32.05 | abrotman | akumu: ok .. so let's see the single line from your fstab |
| 00:32.20 | King_Brad | bash: /dev/sda2: Permission denied |
| 00:32.32 | King_Brad | i get that when i try to use the command the bot gave me? |
| 00:32.46 | m00p | lvdz: did u google it? i know u didnt |
| 00:32.47 | abrotman | are you root? |
| 00:32.48 | akumu | abrotman, /dev/sda /mnt/USBkey vfat rw,users,noauto,uid=akumu,gid=users 0 0 |
| 00:32.50 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:32.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:32.51 | King_Brad | yes i am |
| 00:32.56 | abrotman | akumu: try /dev/sda1 |
| 00:33.02 | lvdz | well i've found addresses at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-non-US |
| 00:33.22 | King_Brad | hrm |
| 00:33.24 | abrotman | lvdz: apt-setup |
| 00:33.28 | lvdz | but the syntax in /etc/apt/sources.list is obscure |
| 00:33.29 | lvdz | k |
| 00:33.32 | jan_ | yea, use apt-setup |
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| 00:33.38 | jan_ | it's only for stable resources i think |
| 00:33.41 | abrotman | no |
| 00:33.47 | akumu | abrotman, i did it didnt work, also on an online tutorial it told me how to find which sd it is, and i found out that its sda with that tutorial |
| 00:33.52 | jan_ | oh, did it change? :) |
| 00:33.55 | King_Brad | does kernel 2.4 know how to use fat32? |
| 00:33.55 | m00p | lvdz: no its not |
| 00:34.01 | abrotman | what is the error ? |
| 00:34.06 | jan_ | King_Brad: probably |
| 00:34.08 | caphuso | King_Brad: sure |
| 00:34.14 | King_Brad | lol |
| 00:34.24 | jan_ | King_Brad: mount /dev/windows-harddisk /mnt/target |
| 00:34.35 | lvdz | cool there are links |
| 00:34.37 | abrotman | you forgot -t vfat |
| 00:34.39 | akumu | abrotman, wrong fs type, bad option, bads uperblock on /dev/sda missing codepage or other error |
| 00:34.46 | jan_ | abrotman: it's dont automaticly i think :) |
| 00:34.46 | caphuso | abrotman: mount can guess that |
| 00:34.48 | jan_ | -t |
| 00:34.49 | abrotman | akumu: it works in windows ? |
| 00:34.53 | abrotman | caphuso: why guess? :) |
| 00:35.12 | lvdz | so the syntax has to be: deb url.stuff stable contrib ? |
| 00:35.15 | kreg | i'm playing with ipcalc. but i haven't figured out how to tell it how to list the 8 subnets i was describing, including the 8 subnets that are underneat that last subnet. |
| 00:35.18 | lvdz | (just to know) |
| 00:35.22 | akumu | abrotman, yes it works in windows and macs, it worked on my old linux desxtop, before it was knoppix now its xfce |
| 00:35.25 | caphuso | abrotman: it takes longer to type "-t vfat " than it takes mount to guess :) |
| 00:35.30 | abrotman | lvdz: and optionally .. non-free |
| 00:35.36 | m00p | lvdz: RTM |
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| 00:35.39 | lvdz | yes |
| 00:35.43 | abrotman | akumu: knoppix isn't a desktop |
| 00:35.47 | abrotman | whereas xfce is |
| 00:35.49 | abrotman | but anyways |
| 00:35.54 | lvdz | sometimes there is the main indication as well |
| 00:36.02 | doleyb | akumu: you don't mount /dev/sda, you mount /dev/sda1 |
| 00:36.10 | abrotman | doleyb: some mount /dev/sda |
| 00:36.13 | ArdomusMorty | im using driverloader with my wireless card and it was working fine till a few seconds ago then it just stopped working and ifup eth0 and dhclient aren't connectin |
| 00:36.27 | doleyb | what kind of hardware is that? |
| 00:36.32 | abrotman | akumu: fdisk /dev/sda |
| 00:36.35 | dvs | kreg: What you described earlier has a maximum of 32 IPs. Now, 8 subnets would mean 4 addresses per sub network |
| 00:36.37 | abrotman | doleyb: some of the usb flash thingies |
| 00:36.39 | akumu | doleyb, yeah it can be sda, i tried pretty much all others, it still doesnt work |
| 00:36.48 | abrotman | akumu: err .. |
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| 00:36.55 | abrotman | akumu: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 00:37.09 | King_Brad | why would it say "unable to read /dev/sda2" when i do a fdisk /dev/sda2?? |
| 00:37.12 | lvdz | thanks for the help |
| 00:37.32 | abrotman | King_Brad: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 00:37.37 | caphuso | King_Brad: because it's a stupid thing to do :) |
| 00:37.40 | abrotman | or just fdisk /dev/sda |
| 00:37.43 | King_Brad | okay |
| 00:37.46 | abrotman | sda2 is a parttition |
| 00:37.52 | King_Brad | i show u what it says |
| 00:37.56 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:37.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 00:38.12 | ArdomusMorty | any ideas about my wireless problem? |
| 00:38.15 | caphuso | King_Brad: don't paste in here |
| 00:38.23 | kreg | dvs yep |
| 00:38.23 | King_Brad | #flood :P |
| 00:38.27 | King_Brad | need to fix it |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | fix it? |
| 00:38.39 | dvs | kreg: So what's the problem? |
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| 00:38.44 | King_Brad | yes /dev wont go |
| 00:38.45 | m00p | wireless, make a Q |
| 00:38.49 | akumu | abrotman, heres what it says when i type in fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 00:39.03 | abrotman | akumu: no pasting here |
| 00:39.30 | akumu | abrotman, i dont know how to copy from this terminal anyhow |
| 00:39.31 | kreg | dvs, trying to confirm my hand written work with a network calculator. just dunno how to tell ipcalc |
| 00:39.38 | ArdomusMorty | im using driverloader with my wireless card and it was working fine till a few seconds ago then it just stopped working and ifup eth0 and dhclient aren't connectin any ideas? |
| 00:39.41 | Jappis | hmm, i have a problem, i have support for vfat in my kernel but it doesnt regonize my fat partition |
| 00:39.47 | abrotman | King_Brad: why are you trying to mount an extended partition |
| 00:39.50 | Jappis | any hints on that? |
| 00:39.58 | King_Brad | im not |
| 00:40.02 | King_Brad | its not the write drive |
| 00:40.07 | akumu | abrotman, it is sda cuz my usb key is 256 mb's, and thats what it says for the size of it |
| 00:40.10 | King_Brad | i dont know where the correct drive is either |
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| 00:40.32 | caphuso | King_Brad: check /var/log/dmesg |
| 00:40.35 | abrotman | King_Brad: you just said you were trying to mount sda2 .. which is the extended partition which apparently holds the partition sda5 |
| 00:40.40 | King_Brad | yes |
| 00:40.49 | abrotman | King_Brad: and none of those are fat32 |
| 00:40.51 | King_Brad | which i just noticed is not the drive i am attempting to mount |
| 00:41.05 | WolfCub | Hey I recently installed the Debian packaged nVidia driver and now Quake 2 gives this error upon trying to use GL mode: ./libGL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory All my other GL programs load and run great. |
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| 00:41.11 | m00p | not goig to plan |
| 00:41.22 | abrotman | akumu: well then .. do you have stuff on it .. or just trying to get it to work? |
| 00:41.30 | peterrooney | akumu: that seems really unlikely, since the problem is only in X, not console. |
| 00:41.32 | akumu | i have stuff on it |
| 00:42.16 | abrotman | akumu: hrm .. |
| 00:42.16 | m00p | omg |
| 00:42.19 | King_Brad | ahhhh |
| 00:42.23 | King_Brad | its /dev/sdb |
| 00:42.24 | King_Brad | lol |
| 00:42.25 | King_Brad | damnit |
| 00:42.37 | m00p | ffs |
| 00:42.47 | King_Brad | there it is :) |
| 00:42.50 | King_Brad | yay |
| 00:42.51 | King_Brad | i found it |
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| 00:43.06 | King_Brad | why did it do that? thats weird |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | akumu: you didn't format it as ntfs possibly? |
| 00:43.17 | King_Brad | with IDE drives they are labed hda1 hda2 etc |
| 00:43.17 | akumu | no |
| 00:43.19 | abrotman | akumu: make sure you check dmesg to see that it sees the key |
| 00:43.29 | King_Brad | the caphuso |
| 00:43.37 | abrotman | King_Brad: you're not making sense .. you realize that right? |
| 00:43.38 | King_Brad | that demsg helped ALOT |
| 00:43.41 | akumu | abrotman, whats the command exacrly? |
| 00:43.44 | King_Brad | how am i not? |
| 00:43.46 | abrotman | akumu: for what? |
| 00:43.48 | akumu | abrotman, im knew to linux |
| 00:43.50 | King_Brad | the drive i want is /dev/sdb |
| 00:43.50 | ArdomusMorty | im using driverloader with my wireless card and it was working fine till a few seconds ago then it just stopped working and ifup eth0 and dhclient aren't connectin any ideas? |
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| 00:44.00 | akumu | abrotman, for dmesg |
| 00:44.01 | abrotman | King_Brad: ide names them hda , hdb .. just the same as sda,sdb etc |
| 00:44.02 | jan_ | Primary master IDE: hda , Primary slave IDE: hdb, Secondary master: hdc, Secondary slave: hdd .... |
| 00:44.02 | King_Brad | should'nt it be like /dev/sda6 |
| 00:44.06 | abrotman | akumu: just type dmesg :) |
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| 00:44.10 | akumu | lol |
| 00:44.14 | King_Brad | i c |
| 00:44.43 | King_Brad | so i asked you "where would my 2nd hdd be located" 10x's and u could'nt just say "check /dev/sda and /dev/sdb" or something to that effect? |
| 00:44.46 | dvs | abrotman: Isn't dmesg just for the boot process only? |
| 00:44.51 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:44.51 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:44.53 | abrotman | dvs: no |
| 00:44.57 | abrotman | dvs: i don't think so |
| 00:44.59 | dvs | ok |
| 00:45.06 | abrotman | dvs: let me double check .. i guess |
| 00:45.08 | mike_ | can anyone help me setting up a few rules for iptables... i am really stuck... |
| 00:45.28 | abrotman | mike_: #iptables |
| 00:45.50 | m00p | yup |
| 00:45.58 | akumu | abrotman, yeah it sees my usb driver and it says SCSI device sda: bla bla bla (258 mb) so i know its mine, cuz it also says so above it) |
| 00:46.05 | akumu | so i know its sda |
| 00:46.06 | ArdomusMorty | does my question have to have boobs before it gets looked at |
| 00:46.20 | abrotman | ArdomusMorty: ok .. what's your question? |
| 00:46.23 | scarynetworkguy | ArdomusMorty: Demand your money back. |
| 00:46.28 | dvs | akumu: Then plug it in and do "fdisk - /dev/sda" as root |
| 00:46.33 | ArdomusMorty | scarynetworkguy i think i will ;\ |
| 00:46.37 | ArdomusMorty | im using driverloader with my wireless card and it was working fine till a few seconds ago then it just stopped working and ifup eth0 and dhclient aren't connectin any ideas? |
| 00:46.37 | dvs | akumu: Then plug it in and do "fdisk -l /dev/sda" as root |
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| 00:46.56 | abrotman | wtf is driverloader? |
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| 00:47.22 | ArdomusMorty | a program that loads the drivers i need for my wireless card |
| 00:47.27 | kittonian_ | hi all. if I want to set a cron job to run every 2 hours no matter what day it is (basically run every 2 hours constantly) would this be the right command? 0 0-23/2 * * * |
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| 00:47.48 | akumu | abrotman, and after fdisk, what should i do? or what should i look for there? |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | akumu: a partition perhaps? |
| 00:48.16 | dvs | akumu: W95 FAT32 |
| 00:48.41 | akumu | abrotman, it says Disk /dev/sda: 257 MB as the 1st line |
| 00:48.44 | cbpye | what was the name of that software raid management program? I've got 2 SATA drives hooked up here, ready for raidness. |
| 00:49.15 | dvs | akumu: Is there a FAT32 line? |
| 00:49.32 | abrotman | /dev/sda1 * 1 500 127976+ 6 FAT16 |
| 00:49.33 | abrotman | like that |
| 00:49.45 | akumu | yeah that |
| 00:49.53 | dvs | akumu: show us |
| 00:50.00 | akumu | but with 1000 instead of 500, |
| 00:50.06 | dvs | akumu: show us |
| 00:50.11 | akumu | i dont know how to copy from xterm |
| 00:50.25 | witless | if i knew you were coming i'd have baked a cake, baked a cake, baked a cake. |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | akumu: and which device does it say? |
| 00:50.32 | dvs | akumu: Highlight with left button then paste with middle button |
| 00:50.35 | akumu | sda1 |
| 00:50.37 | abrotman | akumu: highlight the texk .. middle click |
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| 00:51.06 | abrotman | ArdomusMorty: sorry .. never heard of driverloader .. you tried /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 00:51.14 | jethro | hi |
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| 00:51.20 | Pendragon | If you write a script, that performs some task, (doesn't matter what) during writing it you have it print output to screen so you know it is working |
| 00:51.33 | Pendragon | once I got it working |
| 00:51.33 | akumu | middle clicking only pastes it as a new line in xterm |
| 00:51.38 | Pendragon | I made it into an hourly cron |
| 00:51.48 | Pendragon | do I have to remove the print to screen lines? |
| 00:51.55 | Pendragon | or will it be ok? |
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| 00:52.09 | caphuso | Pendragon: it'll send you a mail everytime the script is run |
| 00:52.11 | kittonian_ | anyone? can someone just double check my syntax to make sure I'm good to go? |
| 00:52.12 | abrotman | Pendragon: it will email you the output |
| 00:52.29 | Panda | hi i am a linux newcomer and have a question.. i installed sarge from netinst and now want to install from network.. but in order to access internet i need to register my ethernet card (http page).. how do i do that from prompt? |
| 00:52.43 | akumu | abrotman, /dev/sda1 * 1 1000 251872+ e W95 FAT16 |
| 00:52.44 | caphuso | Pendragon: so either comment out the lines doing output or redirect it to /dev/null |
| 00:52.51 | Pendragon | really? shoot, that is kinda the purpose of that script. lol, it is an email notifier based on due tasks, and alarm frequencies |
| 00:52.58 | abrotman | akumu: so you should be trying to mount /dev/sda1 .. not /dev/sda |
| 00:53.02 | abrotman | at least from what i can tell |
| 00:53.05 | Pendragon | I'll get another input if I leave the print lines in it? |
| 00:53.09 | Pendragon | oops |
| 00:53.10 | caphuso | Pendragon: how does it notify you? |
| 00:53.12 | Pendragon | another email |
| 00:53.17 | akumu | abrotman, i tried, ill try again |
| 00:53.17 | Pendragon | it sends emails, |
| 00:53.23 | Pendragon | well let me explain further |
| 00:53.41 | Pendragon | it checks a db, it is writen in python, it looks a table called tasks, |
| 00:53.44 | caphuso | Pendragon: so, it's not something that notifies you about new email, which i thought at first |
| 00:53.48 | akumu | still same exception |
| 00:54.06 | Pendragon | (no it isn't) and looks at due dates and alarm frequencies |
| 00:54.21 | Pendragon | it sends an email to the appropriate user, whomever sqeduled the task |
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| 00:54.27 | ArdomusMorty | yes well anyway my connection died a couple minutes ago and dhclient and ifup didn't help but when i rebooted it worked, is there anything else i can try (besides rebooting) for next time? |
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| 00:54.40 | abrotman | akumu: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/USBkey |
| 00:54.42 | Pendragon | as I wrote it, I let it print 'found task' to screen and other shit so I could run it and test it |
| 00:54.46 | Panda | anyone? |
| 00:54.47 | caphuso | Pendragon: well, redirect its stdout with "> /dev/null", and only print to stderr when there are actual problems, then you should be fine |
| 00:54.47 | Pendragon | now that it works, |
| 00:54.54 | kittonian_ | thanks all for completely ignoring me. you've been of great assistance |
| 00:54.56 | Pendragon | o ok |
| 00:54.57 | adapt | anyone know of a rar password recoverer/cracker? |
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| 00:55.05 | akumu | still same exception |
| 00:55.08 | ArdomusMorty | i know how you feel kittonian |
| 00:55.09 | Pendragon | otherwise, it will send me or the sysadmin of the box an email? |
| 00:55.16 | Panda | :) |
| 00:55.17 | Pendragon | with the output? |
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| 00:55.29 | caphuso | Pendragon: the owner of the crontab |
| 00:55.29 | Panda | me too |
| 00:55.35 | Pendragon | yeah root |
| 00:55.35 | Pendragon | ok |
| 00:55.37 | Pendragon | thanks |
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| 00:55.45 | caphuso | or whatever is set as MAILTO |
| 00:56.01 | Pendragon | o shit, |
| 00:56.04 | abrotman | adapt: wrong channel |
| 00:56.23 | Pendragon | lol I am a newbie at python as well, how do you print 'found task task id, blah blah blah' to dev null? |
| 00:56.28 | Pendragon | arg |
| 00:56.29 | abrotman | akumu: did you possibly compile your own kernel? |
| 00:56.36 | adapt | abrotman: piss in your mouth. |
| 00:56.41 | Pendragon | doesn't everyone? |
| 00:56.44 | resiak | adapt: This is not #wArEz |
| 00:56.49 | Pendragon | compile their own? |
| 00:56.52 | abrotman | adapt: and? |
| 00:56.54 | doleyb | ha, someone who doesn't know X11-middle click compile a kernel? |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | adapt: you really want me to pee in your mouth? |
| 00:57.14 | Pendragon | WTF? |
| 00:57.14 | abrotman | does your mom know you do this in her house? |
| 00:57.18 | Pendragon | dudes |
| 00:57.20 | adapt | resiak, wtf does rar files have to do with warez? |
| 00:57.30 | Panda | oh man, really a great channel |
| 00:57.31 | Pendragon | that is freakin sick, and rude |
| 00:57.33 | akumu | abrotman, well my bro installed it for me, we installed the minimum installation, and the updated the distro, and all the stuff |
| 00:57.39 | resiak | adapt: Because I've _never_ seen a RAR that wasn't warez. |
| 00:57.40 | abrotman | akumu: uname -r |
| 00:57.41 | akumu | then we installed x-window |
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| 00:57.46 | peterrooney | doleyb: what is so hard to imagine about that? |
| 00:57.48 | Pendragon | this is like debian, elite computer people I thought, wow grow up |
| 00:57.58 | abrotman | Pendragon: things happen |
| 00:58.01 | akumu | 2.6.10-1-386 |
| 00:58.06 | Pendragon | arg |
| 00:58.10 | Pendragon | * wow |
| 00:58.14 | abrotman | Pendragon: this is irc .. ie . .not a controlled environment :) |
| 00:58.20 | adapt | resiak, i use rar for my own stuff. pictures and files for backup. |
| 00:58.24 | abrotman | ArdomusMorty: i did .. didn't i? |
| 00:58.32 | abrotman | adapt: then you should know the password eh? |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | !win me |
| 00:58.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 00:58.47 | resiak | adapt: The obvious retort to that is (a) Yeah sure, that's why you want a password cracker; (b) for the love of $deity, man, WHY? |
| 00:58.51 | ArdomusMorty | ahh i see |
| 00:58.52 | ArdomusMorty | thanks |
| 00:58.54 | adapt | its been like 4 years since i opened it. i dont use the same passwords |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | ArdomusMorty: not that it really helps :) |
| 00:59.19 | ArdomusMorty | it doesn't? |
| 00:59.20 | abrotman | adapt: you'd do better to ask a channel that handles illegal software anyways .. |
| 00:59.26 | abrotman | ArdomusMorty: does it ? |
| 00:59.27 | lvdz | When im trying to access an ftp server with apt-setup, i get an error message saying: unable to fetch ... How can i solve that problem ? |
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| 00:59.41 | abrotman | lvdz: pick another |
| 00:59.44 | ArdomusMorty | i don't know i got impatient and just reset heh |
| 00:59.45 | adapt | abrotman, will do. i didnt know warez k1dz used rar . |
| 00:59.46 | abrotman | or comment it out |
| 00:59.51 | akumu | abrotman, uname -r = 2.6.10-1-386 |
| 00:59.52 | lvdz | ive tried them all |
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| 00:59.52 | ArdomusMorty | which worked but id prefer an easier way |
| 00:59.55 | abrotman | adapt: they are basically the only ones that do |
| 00:59.57 | lvdz | well a lot of for sure |
| 01:00.04 | adapt | k |
| 01:00.09 | resiak | abrotman: The amusing thing is that he's on #gentoo as well XD |
| 01:00.14 | a_monkey | where's the folder for icon themes that come w/ the system? |
| 01:00.17 | abrotman | akumu: hrm .. i'm about out of ideas .. mine has always .. just worked |
| 01:00.23 | abrotman | resiak: yeah .. i know he's not running debian |
| 01:00.35 | akumu | mine worked on knoppix, but now it doesnt want to work |
| 01:01.02 | adapt | resiak, actually i am using debian. i dont really give a fuck what you think im running |
| 01:01.13 | abrotman | adapt: so you're also running gentoo? |
| 01:01.21 | adapt | i figured there are a shitload of people in the gentoo chanel so i asked there |
| 01:01.26 | adapt | no. i cant stand gentoo |
| 01:01.28 | abrotman | why not ##linux ? |
| 01:01.37 | coniptor | I've just downloaded the 3.0r4 release using jigdo and will be burning it out to dvd. I also plan to grab sarge I think it's called. But I want to know if the jigdo client does not prompt me for the nonus mirror and I happen to WANT the packages that are only in a nonus mirror and I want the iso in cd or dvd format then what do I do to get a copy of those files? anyone know? |
| 01:01.40 | abrotman | why not efnet ? |
| 01:01.48 | adapt | can we drop the subject. its not that big of a deal. |
| 01:01.57 | abrotman | apparently it is ... |
| 01:02.11 | abrotman | you've never been in here that i've seen .. and you want to pee in my mouth .. |
| 01:02.19 | adapt | so |
| 01:02.24 | abrotman | right .. exactly |
| 01:02.31 | ArdomusMorty | so anyway if a reboot worked that /etc/init.d/networking restart should work? |
| 01:02.37 | Azar | my first kernel upgrade/compiling I learned it from a gentoo fan, and I screwed up my deb packages |
| 01:02.37 | abrotman | go ask on efnet or somewhere else .. you're really asking the wrong people |
| 01:02.48 | abrotman | ArdomusMorty: probably |
| 01:02.55 | coniptor | uhm. I'm not sure what's going on but given what I just read WHY would someone just DROP that? =/ |
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| 01:03.08 | ArdomusMorty | ok thanks |
| 01:03.12 | adapt | i only come on irc to find things. i dont fucking hang out on the computer and chat for fun. |
| 01:03.13 | abrotman | coniptor: huh? |
| 01:03.22 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:03.30 | Azar | what am I missing here? |
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| 01:03.43 | abrotman | a warez kid i think |
| 01:03.45 | abrotman | i'm not sure |
| 01:03.46 | adapt | hah. |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | but i figure he'll leave soon since we're too stupid to help him |
| 01:03.57 | adapt | who uses warez on unix? |
| 01:04.06 | abrotman | who uses rar |
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| 01:04.12 | adapt | me |
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| 01:04.16 | coniptor | abrotman: replying to what you said and what the other person said. anyway do you know the answer to my question? |
| 01:04.31 | Azar | debian question? |
| 01:04.37 | coniptor | yes |
| 01:04.42 | resiak | The number of people who come on here looking for rar stuff ... they're all warez kidz0rz (except maybe adapt I accept) (yes, I have asked a large number of them) |
| 01:04.46 | coniptor | I pulled 3.0r4 with jigdo |
| 01:04.54 | coniptor | I"m going to pull sarge as well for dvd iso image |
| 01:04.56 | abrotman | coniptor: do you really want to download all the files before you install ? |
| 01:05.05 | abrotman | coniptor: the netinst is a much better way |
| 01:05.22 | coniptor | I haen't yet started with sarge but definetly want a iso in cd or dvd of nonus if I'm not prompted how do I get it without downloading each file in the mirror when I do find it? |
| 01:05.24 | abrotman | err .. way to install |
| 01:05.28 | Azar | coniptor I am not sure if I did ok but I started with woody and upgraded to sarge, never downloaded installed sarge |
| 01:05.47 | Azar | no cd/dvd/download just upgrade |
| 01:05.58 | abrotman | Azar: he may not have broadband |
| 01:06.16 | coniptor | abrtoman: I have a dvd burner and a dssl 768/256 connection doesn't bother me much. however I also don't mind throwing some money towards a site supporting debian that has already burned it either. but I do mind downloading each package individually casue it makes it harder to manage the files. |
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| 01:06.20 | Azar | abrotman I ment : changed sources to "testing" and apt/upgrade |
| 01:06.27 | abrotman | Azar: i know |
| 01:06.32 | Azar | oh I see.. |
| 01:06.40 | coniptor | I like local copies of files incase of disaster =) |
| 01:06.41 | adapt | <abrotman> guys do wierd stuff when they're drunk <abrotman> at least .. every girl i've slept with does |
| 01:06.45 | gurubie | Old 233Mhz 48MB 1G Box for the (young) kids...DamnSmallLinux works but if I go "pure" debian which Kernel should I use and is Sid recomended for this purpose? |
| 01:06.47 | adapt | eww |
| 01:06.50 | abrotman | coniptor: have you ever used debian ? |
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| 01:06.57 | abrotman | adapt: and i care why? |
| 01:06.59 | Azar | adapt, please stop trolling we are not interested |
| 01:07.08 | abrotman | adapt: and you misquoted it .. you moron |
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| 01:07.36 | adapt | i know. i changed it to what you meant to say |
| 01:07.50 | abrotman | adapt: no you didn't .. .fucking idiot .. read what you pasted .. |
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| 01:08.01 | Azar | :) oh my god |
| 01:08.13 | adapt | hah. thanks for the help. later |
| 01:08.16 | abrotman | what a damn child ... |
| 01:08.31 | adapt | so |
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| 01:08.38 | furrywolf | dammit. can't get any sign of life out of this computer. :( |
| 01:09.03 | abrotman | resiak: and he's still on the gentoo channel |
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| 01:09.19 | furrywolf | tried new power supply, video card, RAM, and monitor. no other things installed/connected. |
| 01:09.20 | resiak | abrotman: We appear to be better at banishing people. \o/ |
| 01:09.24 | coniptor | abrotman: I used debian last about 3 years ago at work but didn't get to do much with it. prior to that I used it exclusively for about 2-3 years 2 years prioer to the 3 last I mentioned. did that make sense? =) |
| 01:09.42 | abrotman | coniptor: the way debian works .. you don't have to download each individually |
| 01:10.01 | bbrazil | coniptor: /var/cache/apt tends to store all the packeges you install |
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| 01:10.24 | furrywolf | power lights come on and fans spin, but no beeps or other signs of functioning. |
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| 01:11.02 | gurubie | furry? What kind? |
| 01:11.08 | bbrazil | furrywolf: silly q - pc speaker attached? |
| 01:11.25 | furrywolf | built onto motherboard |
| 01:11.27 | jimmygoon | can someone please help me: I have a toshiba laptop and have Xf86 running at a 1024x768 resolution and need to know how to make it work at 1280x800. Thank you |
| 01:11.27 | abrotman | furrywolf: toasted cpu ? |
| 01:11.37 | resiak | !drxx jimmygoon |
| 01:11.37 | abrotman | !drxx jimmygoon |
| 01:11.37 | dpkg | jimmygoon: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:11.43 | resiak | I win the prize! |
| 01:11.54 | abrotman | !prise resiak |
| 01:11.55 | furrywolf | sony vaio pcv-rx570ds (1.5ghz p4, rambus ram) |
| 01:11.59 | resiak | :( |
| 01:12.00 | coniptor | abrotman: I know that. but I like my own local "mirror" or cd/dvd copies. if I don't have a net connection for what ever reason I like to have the most recent so I can install. doesn't mean I won't use apt or dselect or whatever is the best tool now for the job. =) |
| 01:12.04 | jimmygoon | I did that :P and it won't let me pick that Widescreen resolution :( |
| 01:12.11 | rookiehwm | ick, tried to upgrade the kernel on this imac and i didn't have usb support after that |
| 01:12.18 | rookiehwm | and, since the imac only has usb :\ |
| 01:12.18 | jimmygoon | what does "!drxx jimmygoon" mean? |
| 01:12.22 | Overand | how much of a PITA is it to get the nvidia binary drivers running on 2.6.8? |
| 01:12.22 | coniptor | bbrazil: I don't like to keep all files locally stored on the hd. |
| 01:12.27 | abrotman | coniptor: there are unofficial dvds .. but you realize sarge hasn't released yet .. and therefore you'll have to get updates from the web anyways? |
| 01:12.27 | Overand | there's no 'official' package |
| 01:12.29 | resiak | jimmygoon: Ah, you'll probably need a special modeline... Google. is your friend, as is linux-laptop.net |
| 01:12.34 | dvs | jimmygoon: look what dpkg said |
| 01:12.37 | resiak | jimmygoon: It's a command to dpkg the bot to tell you what he did. |
| 01:12.41 | Overand | !nvidia |
| 01:12.41 | dpkg | nvidia is probably DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 01:12.45 | jimmygoon | I did that already |
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| 01:13.07 | jimmygoon | I tried google and I'm sorry to sound like a n00b but I am... I don't know what to do with the info :( |
| 01:13.13 | furrywolf | nvidia.com's installer works fine, no? :P |
| 01:13.20 | furrywolf | works here, at least. :) |
| 01:13.53 | furrywolf | motherboard and cpu are the only things I haven't swapped out... and since I own neither a compatible cpu nor a compatible motherboard, no way to swap them. |
| 01:14.01 | furrywolf | tried a cmos clear for the heck of it, no change. |
| 01:14.02 | kingsley | Epson's technical support said my print might start printing cyan again if I replaced a competitor's BLACK cartridge with one of theirs. It didn't. Now black doesn't print either! |
| 01:14.02 | resiak | jimmygoon: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html # Find your model, they may well have detailed instructions. |
| 01:14.11 | cafuego | furrywolf: it works, but dumps non-packaged files all over the filesystem. |
| 01:14.12 | kingsley | I've have three Epson printers in about as many years and suspect I should consider switching vendors. |
| 01:14.22 | furrywolf | kingsley: do what we told you to do last night. :P |
| 01:14.25 | coniptor | abrotman: that doesn't bother me. but I like to have local cd/dvd copies anyhow. =) can you tell me where the unoffical dvd copies of nonus are then or can I use jigdo to assemble them? =) |
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| 01:14.47 | abrotman | coniptor: non-us is basically empty now |
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| 01:14.50 | King_Brad | okay |
| 01:15.06 | King_Brad | i got the drive mounted, and all that jaz, but, i cannot access it from my ftpserver... |
| 01:15.15 | King_Brad | and i dont have space to move the files off it |
| 01:15.23 | King_Brad | any suggestions/? |
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| 01:15.28 | furrywolf | anything stupid/obvious I'm missing, or should I just conclude the cpu and/or motherboard are toasted? |
| 01:15.30 | abrotman | coniptor: you're ok with jigdo? |
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| 01:15.41 | jimmygoon | thanks resiak but they have instructions for Gentoo... and I don't understand them (and its for x.org) |
| 01:15.45 | kingsley | furrywolf: I doubt it's nozzles are clogged because every yellow and magenta nozzle works A-OK, but no cyan (or now black) nozzles work. |
| 01:16.01 | coniptor | abrotman: sorry scrolling to fast to keep up. just did. why is nonus empty? where did the pacakges go? did debian maintainers stop packaging them for nonus use or did the program owners ask not to be included? |
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| 01:16.22 | abrotman | coniptor: into main .. crypto laws weakened |
| 01:16.25 | coniptor | abrotman: I'm fine with jigdo. It's a neat innovative way to get your iso without straining other's servers. ingenious =) |
| 01:16.35 | abrotman | !non-us |
| 01:16.35 | dpkg | non-us is, like, where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". |
| 01:16.35 | kingsley | furrywolf: At the moment, my leading hypothesis is a voltage spike from a recent power outage damaged its electronics. |
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| 01:16.43 | abrotman | coniptor: see |
| 01:16.53 | abrotman | coniptor: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/i386/ |
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| 01:17.15 | furrywolf | kingsley: have you tried running it through a few escputil -c cycles? |
| 01:17.30 | King_Brad | is there a command i can put in my fstab to make the /dev/sdb1 fully accessable? |
| 01:17.39 | furrywolf | or cleaning the color cartridge via the front-panel buttons |
| 01:17.43 | furrywolf | several times. |
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| 01:18.05 | kingsley | furrywolf: Of course, although I ran them from "mtink". |
| 01:18.21 | abrotman | kingsley: i had an epson that did that .. but i never used it .. and what happened was that i had to run alcohol through the jets |
| 01:18.24 | furrywolf | never heard of it |
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| 01:18.36 | furrywolf | (mtink, that is) |
| 01:18.40 | abrotman | coniptor: got what you need |
| 01:18.41 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:19.26 | kingsley | furrywolf: It shows how much ink is left in each cartridge and cleans and tests the nozzles. |
| 01:19.35 | debian4U2 | how can i upgrade my kernel from a cd? |
| 01:19.48 | furrywolf | did the printer ever work? |
| 01:19.53 | coniptor | abrotman: I have those two jigdo files downloaded already but haven't started the download yet. so If I understand right. crypto laws weakened which is good so those packages were absrobed into main. I want ALL the crypto packages. however I also want the packages whose license isn't what everyone would like it to be. for instance I want ncftp instead of ftp and such. |
| 01:19.56 | furrywolf | (as in, you printed with it with all colors) |
| 01:20.13 | furrywolf | lftp > ncftp. :) |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman | coniptor: yeah .. where's ncftp? |
| 01:20.21 | abrotman | !info ncftp sarge |
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| 01:20.26 | dpkg | ncftp: (A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client), section net, is optional. Version: 2:3.1.8-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 460 kB, Installed size: 1036 kB |
| 01:20.31 | kingsley | furrywolf: Oh, yeah, it worked OK for a year or two, up until about the power outage. |
| 01:20.32 | cbpye | anyone have any knowledge when it comes to the Silicon Image 3112 chipset and mdadm? |
| 01:20.36 | abrotman | coniptor: it's in main |
| 01:20.43 | helix | lftp can apparently deal with ssh keys |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | !helixsnack |
| 01:21.08 | kingsley | furrywolf: I think I need to bail on consumer grade ink jet printers. They're just too unreliable. |
| 01:21.09 | helix | I think you have to helixsnack helix |
| 01:21.22 | cafuego | !cafuegosmite helix |
| 01:21.30 | helix | hmm, I bet that hurt |
| 01:21.30 | abrotman | !helixsnack helix |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | ah |
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| 01:21.42 | cafuego | cbpye: only that the Silicon Image 3112 is sort of crap. |
| 01:21.49 | helix | I would like some more special treatment if you're not done |
| 01:21.49 | furrywolf | kingsley: other than clogs when they're let sit without ink, all my epsons have worked without even a paper jam. |
| 01:21.57 | abrotman | !praise helix |
| 01:22.00 | helix | furrywolf: are you really a furry? |
| 01:22.07 | coniptor | furrywolf: I do like lftp but forget what it does besides colors. I like the batch downloading and just plain prefer ncftp to ftp. if lftp implements all that ncftp does that I would probably use that instead especially if it does do colors. makes it easier and more pleasant to read the output. =) |
| 01:22.10 | kingsley | furrywolf: How long have you had them? |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | coniptor: ncftp is already in the normal archives |
| 01:22.31 | debian4U2 | is there a way to upgrade the kernel from a cd? |
| 01:22.40 | furrywolf | helix: yep. I even have a pair of faux fur ears and a bushy tail. :) |
| 01:22.55 | a_monkey | what debian package includes enlightenment's engage? |
| 01:22.56 | helix | furrywolf: where do you wear them? |
| 01:22.57 | furrywolf | kingsley: I got them all used... most I've owned for about 2-3 years. |
| 01:23.09 | coniptor | helix: lftp supports ssh keys/encryption. neat! =) |
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| 01:23.15 | cafuego | !find engage |
| 01:23.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'engage' (1): (/usr/share/doc/libopenh323-doc/html/{classH225__DisengageConfirm-members.html|classH225__DisengageConfirm.html|classH225__DisengageConfirm.png|...}) in doc/libopenh323-doc. |
| 01:23.28 | furrywolf | I don't normally wear them. |
| 01:23.28 | helix | coniptor: I have never used it and I hear it does it in a very inelegant manner, so be warned. |
| 01:23.32 | kingsley | furrywolf: That's why. |
| 01:23.35 | cafuego | a_monkey: none. |
| 01:23.45 | furrywolf | kingsley: that's why what? |
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| 01:24.08 | helix | cafuego: those results are a little ... odd? |
| 01:24.21 | kingsley | furrywolf: That's why the Epson printers still work. |
| 01:24.24 | furrywolf | helix: why the furry questions? |
| 01:24.32 | furrywolf | kingsley: being old and used makes them work? :) |
| 01:24.39 | helix | furrywolf: because I'm nosy |
| 01:24.59 | coniptor | abrotman: ok. then let me ask this if you know. what was in nonus which has not been absorbed into main? also I forgot to mention I want all that was in contrib as well. has contrib been absorbed into main as well? |
| 01:24.59 | abrotman | and cheeky? |
| 01:25.00 | cafuego | helix: They have odd fielsnames, but if they're the only package with 'engage' in a file, that's to be expected. |
| 01:25.03 | furrywolf | I bought them for an average of $5/each... |
| 01:25.08 | furrywolf | helix: lol |
| 01:25.12 | abrotman | coniptor: afaik .. all of it |
| 01:25.12 | a_monkey | cafuego: none? |
| 01:25.14 | cafuego | filenames too |
| 01:25.17 | furrywolf | have a pair of ears of your own? :P |
| 01:25.20 | a_monkey | cafuego: not even "enlightenment"? |
| 01:25.22 | abrotman | coniptor: there is still contrib and non-free |
| 01:25.22 | cafuego | a_monkey: it would appear that way, yes. |
| 01:25.26 | helix | furrywolf: no, don't get excited, I'm not a furry |
| 01:25.29 | helix | but maybe a_monkey is |
| 01:25.30 | kingsley | furrywolf: I'm glad you got a good deal and they still work. Good luck. |
| 01:25.40 | a_monkey | helix: yes, i am. |
| 01:25.51 | helix | you two should hook up maybe |
| 01:25.55 | furrywolf | kingsley: try wiggling the ribbon cable where it connects to the board and to the head |
| 01:25.55 | abrotman | apparently #debian is the new furry hotspot! |
| 01:26.24 | coniptor | helix: ok. don't know why I should be warned but I'll take a look when I get debian installed. I'm still running fedora core 3 which was trashed by a stupid script I stupidly ran. check4updates to be specifc. supposed to automatically apply errata and security updates when I'm not around. dumb to try it. =/ =) |
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| 01:26.32 | cafuego | abrotman: Yeah, it's the complete lack of shaving... |
| 01:26.56 | caphuso | i do it by not starting different emacs instances and using emacsclient |
| 01:27.11 | caphuso | EWRONGCHANAGAIN |
| 01:27.12 | abrotman | don't we all shave every day? |
| 01:27.18 | caphuso | not me |
| 01:27.18 | cafuego | helix: Liar. I can see the beard from over here |
| 01:27.23 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:27.30 | abrotman | i do |
| 01:27.40 | coniptor | abrotman: alright so it looks like the 3.0f4 dvd has all that I need and so will the sarge dvds. there are two because it all won't fit on one anymore I presume? |
| 01:27.47 | furrywolf | helix: if you're not furry, and not a SA goon, why do you care who is furry? :P |
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| 01:27.54 | abrotman | coniptor: correct |
| 01:27.56 | cafuego | coniptor: yep |
| 01:28.07 | abrotman | furrywolf: she said she is nosy :) |
| 01:28.10 | helix | furrywolf: because furries are weird |
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| 01:28.22 | furrywolf | helix: gee, that's nice. |
| 01:28.31 | abrotman | what's the silly app that does slideshows ? |
| 01:28.36 | helix | furrywolf: furries aren't the only weird people :P don't feel bad |
| 01:28.44 | coniptor | abrotman: ok if there are still contrib and non-free that's what I'm wanting. I forgot about non-free. that's what I've been wanting this whole time. I would like cd or dvd images of contrib and non-free for both 3.0r4 woody and for sarge. have urls for jigdo or just for wget'ing at all? |
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| 01:28.54 | abrotman | ah .. god it |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | err got it |
| 01:29.18 | abrotman | coniptor: i'm not sure if those are on the dvds or not .. but non-free is pretty empty now too iirc |
| 01:29.30 | furrywolf | helix: just for that, you can be the one who figures out what the hell is wrong with this computer. :) |
| 01:29.44 | helix | it probably has too much hair stuck in the power supply |
| 01:29.46 | abrotman | furrywolf: toasted cpu |
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| 01:29.56 | furrywolf | helix: tried a new power supply. no change. |
| 01:30.04 | abrotman | cpu is toast! |
| 01:30.05 | abrotman | bad ram |
| 01:30.10 | abrotman | toasted mobo |
| 01:30.13 | helix | I don't even know what the symptoms are |
| 01:30.15 | furrywolf | abrotman: swapped out all the ram |
| 01:30.18 | abrotman | bad switch |
| 01:30.26 | furrywolf | power light on, fans spin, nothing else |
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| 01:30.31 | abrotman | furrywolf: remove all the cards .. except video ... |
| 01:30.38 | we_R_DNA | I just opened a program to work on port 8000 and when I did killall sc_serv and then tried to reopen it the port was still in use. Any ideas on how to make sure that port does not have anything on it so I can reopen the program? |
| 01:30.39 | dondelelcaro | hell, remove everything |
| 01:30.49 | abrotman | or at least swap out the video |
| 01:31.01 | dondelelcaro | you should just have 1) motherboard 2) single ram chip 3) powersupply |
| 01:31.04 | furrywolf | removed all cards except video, all drives, all things that could plug in, etc., no change. tried new video card, no change. |
| 01:31.09 | phaedral | hi all; looked at mozilla java; presumeably applies to firefox? |
| 01:31.26 | coniptor | abrotman: ok can you point me to a url where I can get the file list for what's currently in contrib and non-free so I can find out if it's even worth it to get a iso of them? =) |
| 01:31.38 | furrywolf | can't have single ram chip. it's rdram. all slots must be filled. tried both two 256s and two 128s, and two 64s and two crimms. no change. |
| 01:31.43 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: if it still fails then you've either 1) have a bad power supply 2) have a dead cpu 3) have a dead motherboard |
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| 01:31.52 | rjbase89 | hi all ...just install Debian Sarge and its great... except it takes for ever for a web page to load... any ideas? |
| 01:32.02 | MobyTurbo | phaedral: yes, it works with firefox too, /msg dpkg java |
| 01:32.02 | furrywolf | dondel: I doubt I have TWO bad power supplies. that was the first thing I swapped out. :) |
| 01:32.02 | coniptor | rambus sucks. sorry had to be said =) |
| 01:32.08 | we_R_DNA | !ip |
| 01:32.08 | dpkg | we_r_dna IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. [internet protocol] |
| 01:32.10 | abrotman | coniptor: any mirror should have it |
| 01:32.14 | phaedral | MobyTurbo: thx for the reassurance; |
| 01:32.16 | furrywolf | and tried a cmos clear |
| 01:32.22 | we_R_DNA | how do I find out my ip? |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | furrywolf: i'm voting 2) or 3) |
| 01:32.31 | dondelelcaro | !address |
| 01:32.36 | dondelelcaro | !ip address |
| 01:32.36 | dpkg | hmm... ip address is The specific network address of a computer on a network using TCP/IP as its network protocol. |
| 01:32.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:32.46 | furrywolf | I decided it was the cpu or mobo, but wanted other suggestions to make sure I wasn't overlooking something. :) |
| 01:33.10 | coniptor | abrotman: ok I'll check for it. thanks for the help. =) |
| 01:33.12 | abrotman | furrywolf: ok .. it could be the color of the sky in tokyo at this exact moment ... feel better? |
| 01:33.14 | dondelelcaro | !myip |
| 01:33.14 | dpkg | hmm... myip is /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub"addr:","";print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)/ {print qq|$1\n|}' |
| 01:33.22 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: address is <reply> see myip |
| 01:33.22 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 01:33.29 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: ip address is also see my ip |
| 01:33.30 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 01:33.34 | furrywolf | coniptor: not too familiar with rambus... just bought the 256 and 128 rimms today, in fact. |
| 01:33.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you mean myip |
| 01:33.41 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: ip address =~ s/my ip/myip/ |
| 01:33.41 | abrotman | not my ip |
| 01:33.41 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 01:34.06 | coniptor | furrywolf: =) I've never used their ram. I say rambus sucks cause of the submarine patent and other ip BS. =) |
| 01:34.17 | furrywolf | heh |
| 01:34.32 | coniptor | yes exactly. =) |
| 01:34.37 | furrywolf | I paid $45 for two Dell/samsung 256mb rimms and two dell/samsung 128mb rimms... |
| 01:34.44 | furrywolf | not going to argue at that price. :) |
| 01:34.51 | abrotman | cause noone wants the crap anymore :) |
| 01:34.57 | furrywolf | lol |
| 01:35.00 | abrotman | i feel bad for people who bought into it .. |
| 01:35.11 | abrotman | do the itaniums still require it? |
| 01:35.11 | coniptor | yeah. but I think things are far enough along that they can't get the stranghold on the ram market that they were obvioulsly trying to get. =) |
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| 01:35.30 | furrywolf | all I know is I want this system to work! have thrown too much money at it. |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | furrywolf: mobo or cpu .. got a spare of either to try? |
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| 01:36.02 | furrywolf | nope, no spare of either. it's the first pentium 4 system I've ever touched... |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | furrywolf: uh oh |
| 01:36.12 | rjbase89 | I have slow loading of web pages with sarge...any ideas? |
| 01:36.16 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: well, it may not work at all... if the thing won't post in the configuration you've got, there's very little we can do without a board tester and serious time with a oscope. |
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| 01:36.33 | abrotman | rjbase89: slow lookup or slow download ? |
| 01:36.37 | dondelelcaro | rjbase89: you'll have to be 305% less vague |
| 01:36.39 | coniptor | furrywolf: never used a p4 but good luck. hope you get it working.! =) |
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| 01:36.53 | rjbase89 | slow lookup |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman | rjbase89: lame dns server? |
| 01:37.08 | furrywolf | it's the newest system I own... both in terms of processer model, date made, and processor speed. |
| 01:37.29 | furrywolf | all my other systems are p3s... heh |
| 01:37.29 | abrotman | furrywolf: it can still be broken :) |
| 01:37.32 | rjbase89 | Its working fine with SuSE |
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| 01:37.47 | furrywolf | abrotman: and it does appear to be. :P |
| 01:37.51 | abrotman | rjbase89: all the same dns servers? |
| 01:38.01 | we_R_DNA | how do I check the status of socket port 8000 |
| 01:38.10 | dondelelcaro | we_R_DNA: with netstat |
| 01:38.11 | green_earz | rjbase89: dailup ? dsl ? have a look at the mtu size |
| 01:38.13 | rjbase89 | abrotman: suggestions? |
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| 01:38.31 | abrotman | rjbase89: try a few nslookup commands |
| 01:38.32 | rjbase89 | green : dsl |
| 01:38.36 | we_R_DNA | tcp 0 0 *:8000 *:* LISTEN |
| 01:38.45 | we_R_DNA | I cannot open up anyprograms on that port |
| 01:38.51 | we_R_DNA | any clue as to why? |
| 01:39.04 | abrotman | something is already using it ? |
| 01:39.06 | dondelelcaro | we_R_DNA: something is already listening there. telnet localhost 8000; |
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| 01:39.21 | furrywolf | yes. you have another program using the port already. try netstat -p |
| 01:39.31 | rjbase89 | abrotman: nslookup commands? |
| 01:39.39 | dondelelcaro | we_R_DNA: or netstat -plunt|grep 8000; as root. |
| 01:39.42 | abrotman | rjbase89: nslookup www.yahoo.com .. etc |
| 01:39.56 | abrotman | rjbase89: or dig .. or host .. whichever you prefer |
| 01:40.10 | we_R_DNA | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3607/sc_serv |
| 01:40.17 | we_R_DNA | I have done killall on sc_serv |
| 01:40.20 | we_R_DNA | and it will not leave |
| 01:40.30 | jimmygoon | sorry to continue to bug you all but how about integrated wireless driver installation ? :( |
| 01:40.34 | abrotman | starts from inetd ? |
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| 01:40.42 | abrotman | jimmygoon: huh? |
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| 01:41.18 | rjbase89 | abrotman: ok ... I found that command ...I will follow up on it ...thx...rj |
| 01:41.19 | jimmygoon | i need to some how make my integrated wireless work... ideas? |
| 01:41.27 | green_earz | rjbase89: here in the uk adsl the best package size is MTU:1458 check the ping size with ping -s 1500 some-where to look for broke packages |
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| 01:41.43 | abrotman | rjbase89: shouldn't take long to figure out if that works right or not |
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| 01:41.55 | rjbase89 | green: thanks... |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | !mtu |
| 01:42.00 | dpkg | methinks mtu is Maximum Transferrable Unit.. Maximum Transmission Unit, or what tracepath (package iputils-tracepath) can find about |
| 01:42.04 | abrotman | bah |
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| 01:42.43 | furrywolf | so who has a spare p4 cpu they can send me so I can determine which part is dead? :) |
| 01:42.47 | rjbase89 | bye all... |
| 01:43.02 | abrotman | furrywolf: send where? |
| 01:43.04 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: why not return whatever this is to wherever you got it? |
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| 01:43.24 | furrywolf | dondelcaro: got it used from someone, at a non-returnable price. |
| 01:43.32 | abrotman | i wonder why :) |
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| 01:44.47 | abrotman | no |
| 01:44.50 | abrotman | sorry |
| 01:45.01 | pipeline | furrywolf? tail? awww,fuckoff. |
| 01:45.03 | oneo | does anyone know where i could find a debian package for the generic scsi driver (sg)? |
| 01:45.11 | furrywolf | pipeline: ? |
| 01:45.21 | dondelelcaro | oneo: kernel-image has it. |
| 01:45.26 | coniptor | oneo: that should be part of the kernel modules or kerenl package |
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| 01:47.00 | furrywolf | abrotman: anthrocon, one of the largest furry conventions, is held in philly. |
| 01:47.12 | furrywolf | http://www.anthrocon.org/info.cgi/index |
| 01:47.15 | abrotman | furrywolf: i know this .. i read kevinandkell .. but i still haven't met one .. |
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| 01:47.31 | abrotman | furrywolf: the adam's mark is near a friend's place |
| 01:47.43 | coniptor | I might regret asking this but WHAT is a furry? |
| 01:47.53 | abrotman | oh .. i think they moved it |
| 01:47.54 | abrotman | !furry |
| 01:47.57 | furrywolf | apt: what is furry? |
| 01:47.58 | apt | rumour has it, furry is a large portion of OSS developers. (a large portion of the rest of the population is furry too, for that matter). For more information on furry culture, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom |
| 01:48.01 | abrotman | dpkg: how can you not know about furry |
| 01:48.14 | furrywolf | because apt has dpkg outfurred. :) |
| 01:48.19 | abrotman | i guess |
| 01:48.34 | abrotman | ~listkeys furry |
| 01:48.39 | coniptor | furrywolf: thanks =) heh will check it out |
| 01:49.03 | abrotman | furrywolf: i thought they had the thing at the adam's mark near st josephs |
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| 01:49.25 | furrywolf | hrmm, someone ought to change that to point to just "Furry" instead of "Furry fandom". time to rtfm on the bot. :) |
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| 01:49.50 | abrotman | ~furry =~ s/Furry_fandom/Furry |
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| 01:50.01 | furrywolf | pipeline: care to explain that remark you made? |
| 01:50.03 | abrotman | ok .. fine |
| 01:50.12 | abrotman | ~furry |
| 01:50.13 | apt | it has been said that furry is a large portion of OSS developers. (a large portion of the rest of the population is furry too, for that matter). For more information on furry culture, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom |
| 01:50.17 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 01:50.26 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:50.29 | abrotman | apt: furry =~ s/Furry_fandom/Furry/ |
| 01:50.30 | apt | abrotman: OK |
| 01:50.41 | SteveO12310 | i have a question about installation of Debian/PowerPC_Sarge on a Powermac 3G Beige |
| 01:50.44 | abrotman | ~furry |
| 01:50.45 | apt | furry is probably a large portion of OSS developers. (a large portion of the rest of the population is furry too, for that matter). For more information on furry culture, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry |
| 01:50.48 | SteveO12310 | i mean G3 |
| 01:50.50 | abrotman | furrywolf: better? |
| 01:50.59 | furrywolf | steve: #debian-ppc |
| 01:50.59 | abrotman | SteveO12310: #debianppc |
| 01:51.06 | furrywolf | gah, no - |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | no - |
| 01:51.09 | SteveO12310 | thanks |
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| 01:51.27 | pipeline | hahahah, furry culture |
| 01:51.42 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:52.09 | furrywolf | pipeline: you have some problem with it? |
| 01:52.22 | pipeline | furrywolf: Enjoying cartoons isn't a "culture" |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | pipeline: don't tell the japanese :) |
| 01:52.49 | furrywolf | pipeline: I'm sorry you don't understand furry. however, insulting random people for the fun of it still doesn't make much sense. |
| 01:53.14 | abrotman | furrywolf: peopel from the midwest do that sometimes :) |
| 01:53.15 | pipeline | furrywolf: You are typing at a console of some kind. Clearly, then, you do not have a tail. It's that simple. |
| 01:53.31 | abrotman | pipeline: you've never seen the ladies at the bank ? |
| 01:53.32 | furrywolf | pipeline: RTFM on furgonomics. :P |
| 01:53.32 | pipeline | furrywolf: To insist otherwise is to be a valid target for ridicule. |
| 01:53.43 | coniptor | just denotes their internal character and how they're likely to respond in any situation given a topic they don't understand |
| 01:53.44 | pipeline | abrotman: My bank is run by lesser demons :P |
| 01:53.52 | abrotman | pipeline: the tellers |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | those ladies have some tail |
| 01:54.14 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:54.17 | King_Brad | okay i have 1 little prob / question, i got my drive mounted to /home/brad/ftp (my home dir) but, when i am ssh'd into the box as brad (my username) i cannot goto /home/brad/ftp (permission denied) BUT, if i su and try to cd /home/brad/ftp it goes, and i have full permission to the drive.... how can i fix this problem? |
| 01:54.41 | pipeline | King_Brad: when you log on locally the "brad" account is able to use the drive? |
| 01:54.46 | abrotman | King_Brad: check perms on mount point .. and the umask .. man mount / man fstab |
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| 01:55.08 | King_Brad | pipeline : no |
| 01:55.16 | rue_mohr | is there a source I can go to to get new kernels as debs' |
| 01:55.17 | rue_mohr | ? |
| 01:55.22 | King_Brad | not even locally |
| 01:55.26 | abrotman | rue_mohr: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 01:55.30 | King_Brad | only root can use that drive |
| 01:55.38 | rue_mohr | abrotman yes, but there all 2.2 |
| 01:55.39 | abrotman | King_Brad: check perms on mount point .. and the umask .. man mount / man fstab |
| 01:55.43 | pipeline | King_Brad: Then what abrotman said. Check the permissions on the mount point and check the permissions in fstab. |
| 01:55.44 | abrotman | rue_mohr: no they aren't |
| 01:55.48 | King_Brad | okay. |
| 01:55.51 | rue_mohr | abrotman ok.. |
| 01:55.57 | abrotman | rue_mohr: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 01:55.58 | abrotman | or |
| 01:55.59 | furrywolf | rue: you're likely using an outdated version of debian if all you see are 2.2 kernels... |
| 01:56.01 | abrotman | rue_mohr: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 01:56.09 | coniptor | King_Brad: read what abrotman said. man mount. you need to set the uid and gid for that mount point I beleive. |
| 01:56.13 | abrotman | furrywolf: that wouldn't be outdated .. that would be ancient |
| 01:56.32 | King_Brad | abrotman that long command u gave me eairler, doesnt work either :( |
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| 01:56.42 | abrotman | King_Brad: huh? |
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| 01:56.57 | King_Brad | that /dev/sdb1 thing |
| 01:57.03 | King_Brad | to mount the drive with full access |
| 01:57.10 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 01:57.24 | abrotman | that was just to mount it .. you actually have to read to get it to work in whatever odd way you want it to :) |
| 01:57.31 | abrotman | man mount ... man fstab |
| 01:57.32 | coniptor | King_Brad: man mount. if it mounts but only root can get at it then you need to set the uid and gid in /etc/fstab |
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| 01:57.39 | King_Brad | i did umount /dev/sbd1 then mount -rw /dev/sdb1 /home/brad/ftp |
| 01:57.45 | King_Brad | and it for some reason wont work |
| 01:57.53 | abrotman | furrywolf: notice him what? |
| 01:58.00 | King_Brad | coniptor i dont know how todo that |
| 01:58.08 | coniptor | uid gid uid gid uid gid user id group id user id group id |
| 01:58.09 | King_Brad | i am reading the man mount right now |
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| 01:58.17 | coniptor | King_Brad: man mount and seperately man fstab |
| 01:58.21 | pipeline | furrywolf: You will note that this is neither #fetishes nor #furryworld -- it has no place here. |
| 01:58.30 | King_Brad | doing that now. |
| 01:58.36 | abrotman | pipeline: it's also not #bashsomeoneelseslifestylechoices |
| 01:58.38 | coniptor | King_Brad mount /dev/drive -t filesystem /mountpoint -o options. you need to set the options in /etc/fstab |
| 01:58.53 | abrotman | or whatever a furry does :) |
| 01:58.59 | abrotman | since i still haven't met one! :) |
| 01:59.00 | rue_mohr | haha for the 30M its worth I'll just do the usual and spin my own |
| 01:59.02 | rue_mohr | thanks! |
| 01:59.03 | pipeline | abrotman: I'm a bastard when people make errors in spelling, I'm a bastard when people talk about their tails :P |
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| 01:59.06 | furrywolf | pipeline: as I recall, all I did was fluffy my tail grumpily, and you used it as a reason to use 4-letter words. |
| 01:59.11 | furrywolf | s/fluffy/fluff |
| 01:59.24 | coniptor | abrotman: for what it's worth I think I've seen a furry on tv. they used to have a show on kbdi channel 12 =) |
| 01:59.28 | abrotman | should i watch death wish 3 after watching 2 ? |
| 01:59.36 | abrotman | coniptor: a kids show? .. barney? |
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| 02:00.04 | coniptor | abrotman: not barney all charcers dressed up as a rabbit wolf. lion and other animals. forget what it's called. |
| 02:00.10 | coniptor | but yes a kids show =) |
| 02:00.13 | abrotman | wizard of oz ? :) |
| 02:00.19 | Striker_ | Hi all, /msg dpkg xorg |
| 02:00.23 | coniptor | nope. |
| 02:00.24 | Striker_ | ahhaah |
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| 02:00.47 | abrotman | should i watch april in paris instead ? |
| 02:00.49 | silverton | ack, okay guys |
| 02:01.03 | silverton | I just put an audigy2 into my computer, and I ran alsaconf |
| 02:01.06 | silverton | but, it's still not working |
| 02:01.27 | abrotman | rebootted thingie? |
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| 02:01.39 | Striker_ | Hi all I have a question. I have to recompile my kernel 2.6.11 with the debian way. I'm not sure about to run: fakeroot make-kpkg --revision="custom.1.0" kernel_image. In the other way I don't remember it generates the kernel headers too. They will be already put into the pkg of the first case or not? |
| 02:01.41 | abrotman | heh .. reefer madness is on showtime |
| 02:01.52 | kelan | dpkg, whats your middle name? |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | Striker_: fakeroot make-kpkg --revision="custom.1.0" binary |
| 02:02.10 | furrywolf | !lart pipeline |
| 02:02.12 | abrotman | Striker_: man make-kdpkg |
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| 02:02.18 | abrotman | oh .. come on |
| 02:02.20 | furrywolf | !botsnack |
| 02:02.20 | dpkg | furrywolf: thanks |
| 02:02.24 | furrywolf | theer we go :) |
| 02:02.26 | Striker_ | abrotman, tnx |
| 02:02.50 | Striker_ | abrotman, binary only? not arch? |
| 02:02.53 | furrywolf | s/theer/there |
| 02:03.14 | abrotman | Striker_: if you read the man page .. binary gives you 4 packages ... |
| 02:03.31 | abrotman | where as kernel-image gives you one |
| 02:03.33 | King_Brad | okay, so i do mount /dev/sdb1 -a vfat /home/brad/ftp -o brad ? |
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| 02:03.41 | King_Brad | thats about what i got from that |
| 02:03.50 | Striker_ | abrotman, I need to install the kernel headers too? |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | King_Brad: -t .. i think .. not -a |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | Striker_: isn't that what you just said you wanted ? |
| 02:04.07 | King_Brad | yes |
| 02:04.10 | King_Brad | -t sorry |
| 02:04.17 | King_Brad | but the answer is yes? |
| 02:04.21 | Striker_ | abrotman, I don't know if I need them. ;) |
| 02:04.30 | rookiehwm | ok, so if i want to use the stock debian kernel, what's the recommended way to upgrade to 2.6.X? |
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| 02:04.33 | King_Brad | fuck |
| 02:04.36 | King_Brad | its busy again |
| 02:04.40 | abrotman | Striker_: well . it can't hurt to have them .. you don't have to install the package .. but at least you'll have it |
| 02:04.43 | King_Brad | why is that drive always busy? |
| 02:04.44 | furrywolf | blah. looks like the cheapest p4 cpus go for on ebay is about $25+shipping. |
| 02:04.47 | abrotman | King_Brad: unmount it first |
| 02:04.56 | King_Brad | i cant :( |
| 02:04.56 | phaedral | MobyTurbo: thx again and woot; can now do java chat via firefox; #debian rocks |
| 02:04.57 | King_Brad | its busy |
| 02:05.05 | abrotman | King_Brad: get out of the directory |
| 02:05.13 | King_Brad | im in /home/brad |
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| 02:05.17 | MobyTurbo | phaethon: glad I could be of help |
| 02:05.18 | King_Brad | not in /home/brad/ftp |
| 02:05.18 | furrywolf | anyone have a spare p4 cpu I can use to test if it's the board or the cpu? slow as all hell is just fine. :) |
| 02:05.20 | King_Brad | :( |
| 02:05.23 | abrotman | King_Brad: all your things? .. are you in the ftp server? |
| 02:05.32 | dogayonv | Hello everyone |
| 02:05.38 | King_Brad | its not doing Anything |
| 02:05.40 | King_Brad | not ftp |
| 02:05.41 | King_Brad | noting |
| 02:05.47 | King_Brad | i dont know what its busy doing |
| 02:05.49 | furrywolf | king_brad: do you have kde or some other program that likes keeping things open? |
| 02:05.53 | abrotman | King_Brad: you can use fuser to see if you want? |
| 02:05.55 | King_Brad | nope |
| 02:05.59 | King_Brad | no X at all |
| 02:06.07 | furrywolf | hrmm |
| 02:06.21 | furrywolf | and you have no programs open that are in the mounted directory? |
| 02:06.41 | King_Brad | nope |
| 02:06.42 | furrywolf | such as, say, starting the ftp program from within it? |
| 02:06.46 | King_Brad | no programs on that drive |
| 02:06.50 | furrywolf | hrmm |
| 02:06.54 | furrywolf | dunno then |
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| 02:07.01 | Segers_J | furrywolf: remember that a bash prompt in a directory counts. |
| 02:07.08 | King_Brad | can i force it to unmount? |
| 02:07.08 | furrywolf | simon: pipeline doesn't like furs. :) |
| 02:07.20 | furrywolf | segers: I figured that was already thought of. :) |
| 02:07.24 | abrotman | oh just drop it already .. |
| 02:07.25 | abrotman | please |
| 02:07.38 | King_Brad | ?? |
| 02:07.42 | abrotman | the furry thing |
| 02:07.44 | King_Brad | o |
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| 02:07.54 | abrotman | King_Brad: you can reboot the whole machine .. that will force a reboot |
| 02:07.59 | Segers_J | furrywolf: I've forgotten before, felt really dumb. :/ |
| 02:08.02 | King_Brad | i know that |
| 02:08.03 | simonrvn | meh |
| 02:08.04 | simonrvn | p |
| 02:08.09 | furrywolf | heyas lilo |
| 02:08.14 | dogayonv | I have a external usb mouse working but my internal (laptop) touchpad no longer works can anyone help? |
| 02:08.17 | King_Brad | i was hoping there was a command to force it to dismount without rebooting |
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| 02:08.40 | King_Brad | hrm |
| 02:08.41 | King_Brad | well |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | King_Brad: fuser can show you what is using it |
| 02:08.56 | King_Brad | something called 1440c is useing it |
| 02:09.02 | furrywolf | could try lsof too |
| 02:09.04 | Segers_J | King_Brad: or lsof |
| 02:09.04 | abrotman | that's a process |
| 02:09.08 | King_Brad | or maybe its Hangup? |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | ps aux | grep 1440 |
| 02:09.19 | King_Brad | i cant do anything |
| 02:09.22 | King_Brad | it locked up |
| 02:09.22 | King_Brad | lol |
| 02:09.27 | King_Brad | fuser -k |
| 02:09.28 | King_Brad | lol |
| 02:09.31 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 02:09.31 | King_Brad | killed the box |
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| 02:09.48 | abrotman | !dance |
| 02:10.04 | abrotman | why on a saturday night .. no freaking baseball on tv .. what's up with that |
| 02:10.09 | simonrvn | @say !dance |
| 02:10.13 | ravenbird | !dance |
| 02:10.18 | King_Brad | there |
| 02:10.19 | King_Brad | it wokred |
| 02:10.21 | King_Brad | yay :) |
| 02:10.22 | racarter | yo |
| 02:10.25 | King_Brad | hrm |
| 02:10.30 | King_Brad | wonder what 1440c was |
| 02:10.43 | King_Brad | what is getty? |
| 02:10.46 | King_Brad | any ideas? |
| 02:10.48 | furrywolf | abrotman: oh dear. they decided to put on decent tv instead? :) |
| 02:10.48 | racarter | does anyone know a utility to switch between gnome and kde? |
| 02:10.55 | furrywolf | racarter: gdm |
| 02:10.59 | MobyTurbo | !tell King_Brad about enter |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | furrywolf: did you see earlier about .. Death Wish ? |
| 02:11.01 | coniptor | terminal program for reading username and passing it off to login |
| 02:11.04 | Segers_J | King_Brad: makes your virtual terminals work |
| 02:11.09 | King_Brad | ahh |
| 02:11.10 | King_Brad | kool |
| 02:11.15 | coniptor | King_Brad: man getty, man mingetty, apropos getty |
| 02:11.25 | furrywolf | abrotman: I haven't see any of the series; can't advise you on which to watch. |
| 02:11.36 | abrotman | furrywolf: how about none of the above? |
| 02:11.40 | King_Brad | damnit |
| 02:11.43 | King_Brad | i hate this fucker |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | still .. enter! |
| 02:12.18 | King_Brad | sorry :( |
| 02:12.21 | racarter | uh gdm is just gnome..? |
| 02:12.25 | abrotman | no |
| 02:12.33 | simonrvn | @info gdm |
| 02:12.39 | dogayonv | gdm=graphic dislplay manager |
| 02:12.40 | coniptor | King_Brad: who? |
| 02:12.42 | furrywolf | abrotman: I don't remember what your original question was... something about if you should watch the third movie, no? |
| 02:12.50 | dogayonv | its a login gui basicly |
| 02:12.53 | abrotman | racarter: you can use kdm/gdm/xdm to start whichever desktop you wnat |
| 02:12.58 | King_Brad | lol, coniptor my nix box |
| 02:13.00 | abrotman | furrywolf: yeah |
| 02:13.02 | King_Brad | its being a pain in my but |
| 02:13.10 | abrotman | dogayonv: gnome display manager |
| 02:13.12 | simonrvn | 'butt' |
| 02:13.12 | racarter | I have to log out right now to be able to use it? |
| 02:13.18 | dogayonv | close enough :) |
| 02:13.23 | dogayonv | but I sit corrected :) |
| 02:13.23 | coniptor | King_Brad: oh ok. thought I might be coming off as an ass. wouldn't want that. =) |
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| 02:13.31 | simonrvn | on your butt |
| 02:13.36 | King_Brad | no not you |
| 02:13.36 | racarter | I type gdm at the command line and it says gdm already running |
| 02:13.50 | simonrvn | press alt-f7 |
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| 02:14.01 | coniptor | King_Brad: ok. good to know. hope you kicks it's but! =) |
| 02:14.07 | King_Brad | just nothing i do wants to make this stupid fat32 drive work, the mount /dev/sdb1 -t vfat /home/brad/ftp -o brad didnt work :( |
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| 02:14.24 | conor_ | hello |
| 02:14.29 | King_Brad | i got a shot gun its going to meet in a few minutes |
| 02:14.43 | conor_ | i need some help |
| 02:14.44 | coniptor | King_Brad: you don't specify -o unless your passing options like -o uid=2345. if -o is specified without options then it is superfluous |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | simonrvn: not important :) |
| 02:14.52 | simonrvn | heh |
| 02:14.57 | conor_ | um |
| 02:15.03 | conor_ | yea |
| 02:15.03 | abrotman | uhm .. ask |
| 02:15.05 | conor_ | k |
| 02:15.09 | conor_ | im on debian right now |
| 02:15.09 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:15.09 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 02:15.11 | conor_ | bitchx |
| 02:15.13 | racarter | what's the package name to install kde proper? |
| 02:15.14 | King_Brad | okay, so if i did -o uid would i use the uid for the user brads???? |
| 02:15.14 | Segers_J | conor_: just ask your question, if someone knows, they'll answer |
| 02:15.14 | conor_ | anywho |
| 02:15.25 | abrotman | conor_: and one line would be better |
| 02:15.32 | simonrvn | im |
| 02:15.33 | coniptor | King_Brad: yes. type id if you don't know it. |
| 02:15.36 | simonrvn | on |
| 02:15.38 | King_Brad | k |
| 02:15.40 | abrotman | crack? |
| 02:15.42 | simonrvn | debian |
| 02:15.44 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:15.49 | simonrvn | right |
| 02:15.53 | simonrvn | ... |
| 02:15.54 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:15.54 | MobyTurbo | sunday is starting early this week |
| 02:16.03 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: i blame the lack of good tv |
| 02:16.06 | furrywolf | kindbrad: use -o uid=(your user id)... -o brad tells it to look for an option named brad. :) |
| 02:16.09 | furrywolf | king |
| 02:16.09 | conor_ | im tring to get the grafical interface to load, startx, evertything seems comfigured correctly, but it says cant find screens, and there's some other shit that it says, i need help |
| 02:16.11 | abrotman | where is the baby sitter when you need one |
| 02:16.18 | simonrvn | little demo on how annoying it is. so please, keep to a line at a time |
| 02:16.19 | abrotman | graphical |
| 02:16.20 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: but that's *every* day |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: it's really bad .. i just watched Death Wish 2 |
| 02:16.47 | abrotman | conor_: something is wrong with your config |
| 02:16.53 | Chrissy2k5 | when i do dpkg-reconfigure tcl8.4 i get > update-menus[20106]: Script /etc/menu-methods/translate_menus returned error status 1. ---- can anyone help ?` |
| 02:16.56 | abrotman | furrywolf: how do you watch animal planet? |
| 02:17.02 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:17.04 | Chrissy2k5 | Oh right dw its sorted |
| 02:17.17 | King_Brad | SWEEEET |
| 02:17.20 | furrywolf | abrotman: I install directv for a living... I can tell you there's 350 channels and nothing on. :) |
| 02:17.21 | King_Brad | IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:17.41 | abrotman | furrywolf: i know .. my tv is on .. i'm watching law and order :) |
| 02:17.45 | conor_ | hmmm |
| 02:17.59 | simonrvn | my SO is watching law and order |
| 02:18.01 | abrotman | conor_: what kind of video card |
| 02:18.15 | conor_ | ATI All in Wonder 9600XT |
| 02:18.20 | furrywolf | I'd get paid to install myself a directv system... but I don't want one. no tv == good tv. :) |
| 02:18.21 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's not my fault .. nothing else is on! |
| 02:18.22 | conor_ | 128MB |
| 02:18.35 | King_Brad | thanks everyone!!! you guys are awsome! |
| 02:18.36 | abrotman | conor_: vesa or the ati drivers? |
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| 02:18.45 | simonrvn | abrotman: we don't have cable because there is nothing on ;) |
| 02:18.47 | furrywolf | conor: tried Driver "ati" |
| 02:18.50 | conor_ | i would guess the ATI drivers |
| 02:18.52 | abrotman | simonrvn: oh .. yeah .. |
| 02:18.55 | abrotman | conor_: don't guess |
| 02:18.57 | conor_ | and how do i do that? |
| 02:19.05 | abrotman | you know |
| 02:19.08 | alephone | get the fglrx drivers |
| 02:19.14 | abrotman | simonrvn: i dont' pay for it .. so i don't care :) |
| 02:19.17 | alephone | and use alien to convert them to a deb |
| 02:19.17 | conor_ | well it's on my VGA port |
| 02:19.25 | abrotman | conor_: no . the software drivers |
| 02:19.27 | simonrvn | abrotman: i used to be a tv junkie. watched it all the time. i can tell you for a fact there's nothing on |
| 02:19.34 | conor_ | oh |
| 02:19.35 | furrywolf | or try driver "radeon"... not sure which works with that card. |
| 02:19.43 | abrotman | simonrvn: my is usually on .. but i'm rarely watching it |
| 02:19.44 | conor_ | ok |
| 02:19.47 | conor_ | i will |
| 02:19.49 | King_Brad | uhog |
| 02:19.51 | King_Brad | uhoh* |
| 02:19.52 | conor_ | i'll try that now... |
| 02:20.05 | abrotman | simonrvn: which is why i'd rather there be a baseball game on :) |
| 02:20.08 | simonrvn | now i read man pages and rfcs instead. |
| 02:20.13 | King_Brad | damnit |
| 02:20.15 | King_Brad | i crashed it |
| 02:20.23 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | use samba |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:20.53 | furrywolf | kingbrad: you might try a new kernel... if it's actually locking up the system, you may be having some bug, and/or might have a bad drive... |
| 02:21.01 | MobyTurbo | !enter |
| 02:21.01 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 02:21.06 | MobyTurbo | ^^^ for King_Brad |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: he's been told at least three times |
| 02:21.19 | simonrvn | it |
| 02:21.22 | simonrvn | isn't? |
| 02:21.36 | abrotman | isn't |
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| 02:21.37 | abrotman | what? |
| 02:21.50 | furrywolf | lol |
| 02:21.52 | King_Brad | i was transfering the files (at over 10,000kb/sec then went to ssh and typed uptime, to see load #'s, and it said "segmentation fault" and the system died |
| 02:21.54 | furrywolf | bbl, time for some food. :) |
| 02:22.16 | simonrvn | i need to tweak a script. bbl |
| 02:22.27 | conor_ | it can't seem to detect my chip :\ |
| 02:22.54 | abrotman | King_Brad: bad HDD ? |
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| 02:23.39 | abrotman | isn't it Falcor? |
| 02:23.39 | King_Brad | nope |
| 02:23.49 | King_Brad | i just took the drive out of my win2k3 box today.. |
| 02:23.55 | King_Brad | and its been working perfectly. |
| 02:24.00 | King_Brad | for almost a year constant... |
| 02:24.14 | Segers_J | Chrissy2k5: I just had an idea! bash scripts go into debug mode if you add a -x to the end of the #! line, maybe tcl has something similar that would give you some idea what the problem is. |
| 02:25.13 | abrocadabro | is there a way to change system font sizes in gnome? like the font panel in KDE control panel |
| 02:25.17 | abrotman | win2k3 eats firmware |
| 02:25.35 | abrotman | abrocadabro: desktop preferences -> fonts ? |
| 02:25.37 | mwilson | Segers_J: translate_menus is part of the menu package, not of the tcl package. |
| 02:25.39 | abrotman | err Font |
| 02:26.05 | King_Brad | abrotman, my win2k3 box was up for almost 2 months stright before i took it down today for cleaning and upgrades... |
| 02:26.09 | abrocadabro | abrotman: sry, dumb question, sry to bother you |
| 02:26.15 | abrotman | abrocadabro: not dumb .. |
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| 02:26.31 | abrotman | abrocadabro: since i forgot about that the other day when someone was asking how to do the same thing :) |
| 02:26.35 | Segers_J | mwilson: ok, just an idea anyway. :) |
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| 02:27.03 | abrocadabro | abrotman: :) |
| 02:27.25 | King_Brad | okay, well, linux really doesnt like transfering files at over 3mb/sec... i crashed it again! |
| 02:27.34 | morggin | ok im going nuts here ... i keep getting C comiler cannot create executables when installing wine from source with apt-get --build source wine |
| 02:27.37 | mwilson | !sry |
| 02:27.38 | dpkg | i guess sry is Sorry |
| 02:27.39 | abrotman | King_Brad: why aren't you using samba? |
| 02:27.56 | mwilson | morggin: Yes, and? |
| 02:28.08 | Segers_J | morggin: apt-get install build-essential |
| 02:28.14 | mwilson | morggin: You have build-essential and the other dependencies installed? |
| 02:28.24 | morggin | i think so |
| 02:28.28 | abrocadabro | mwilson: are you serious? |
| 02:28.31 | morggin | i seem to recall installing that |
| 02:28.32 | mwilson | Why do you need to "think so"? |
| 02:28.35 | abrotman | morggin: double check |
| 02:28.35 | jackah | hi, i have downloaded the kernel source (linux-2.6.11.7.tar.bz2) from kernel.org... it don't want to unzip because it's .tar.bz2, what to do? |
| 02:28.48 | mwilson | abrocadabro: Serious about what? |
| 02:28.50 | abrotman | jackah: uhm .. install bzip2 ? |
| 02:28.52 | morggin | would i need to build from source if i linked gcc from 3.3 to 3.4 ? |
| 02:28.57 | abrocadabro | mwilson: !sry |
| 02:29.06 | jackah | ok (i didnt know the name of package) |
| 02:29.23 | mwilson | morggin: Why did you think you needed to mess with any symlinks? |
| 02:29.40 | mwilson | morggin: Or was your *intent* to break the compiler? |
| 02:29.42 | abrotman | !tell jackah about kp |
| 02:29.58 | abrotman | isn't that what the alternatives system does ? .. symlinks ? |
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| 02:30.13 | mwilson | abrocadabro: Hm? Oh, I was sure that particular bit of moron-speak was already in the 'bot, but I wanted to check. |
| 02:30.21 | mwilson | abrotman: gcc isn't controlled by alternatives. |
| 02:30.47 | abrocadabro | !moron-speak |
| 02:30.48 | morggin | lol ... dang ATI driver ... thats the root of my problem ... i changed my link to gcc 3.4 from 3.3 to get the ATI driver to install with the same gcc version my kernel was built with |
| 02:30.51 | abrotman | mwilson: thought it was |
| 02:31.00 | King_Brad | abrotman b/c i dont know how to setup samba via ssh, and really dont care for the networking ability... and really, dont need it either way u look at it |
| 02:31.06 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:31.07 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:31.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:31.09 | mwilson | abrotman: If he thinks he needs to use a particular compiler for some reason, all he has to do is call that particular compiler. he doesn't need to mess with any symlinks. |
| 02:31.14 | conor_ | i got the screens thing fixed, but now it says i have no core pointer |
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| 02:31.31 | abrotman | mwilson: i kknow |
| 02:31.41 | mwilson | abrotman: He doesn't. |
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| 02:32.17 | morggin | build-essential is the latest version ... do i need to build the sid version of that as well ? |
| 02:32.23 | morggin | from source ? |
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| 02:32.32 | abrotman | god .. i hope not |
| 02:32.41 | MobyTurbo | morggin: build-essential is a meta-package |
| 02:32.42 | morggin | im on amd64 btw |
| 02:32.43 | mwilson | Oh, goodie... libc6 update in unstable. |
| 02:32.57 | abrotman | does wine work on amd64?(64bit i mean) |
| 02:33.06 | mwilson | morggin: AMD64 is an unsupported architecture. |
| 02:33.09 | abrotman | mwilson: do you suspect it will die? |
| 02:33.15 | kelan | hooray for updating libc! |
| 02:33.19 | abrotman | morggin: 32bit or 64bit amd64? |
| 02:33.20 | mwilson | abrotman: Wouldn't be the first time. |
| 02:33.31 | morggin | i did pure-64 branch |
| 02:33.31 | pipeline | abrotman: Nobody's bothered with a wine port to amd64 because there aren't any applications for windows amd64. |
| 02:33.40 | King_Brad | is there a command to see Hard Drive load %? |
| 02:33.56 | mwilson | What would "hard drive load %" represent? |
| 02:33.59 | jamie^ | King_Brad: df -h |
| 02:34.04 | kelan | 340 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 19 not upgraded. |
| 02:34.06 | kelan | ! |
| 02:34.18 | morggin | is that my problem ? source for wine will not install on 64 arch ? |
| 02:34.18 | abrotman | what's wrong with that? |
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| 02:34.53 | Segers_J | King_Brad: d'you want a current throughput meter or something? |
| 02:35.09 | mwilson | morggin: You were asked whether you were in 32-bit mode or 64-bit mode. Are you going to answer? |
| 02:35.46 | morggin | 64 bit mode i think ... would /proc/? tell me that for sure |
| 02:35.50 | Segers_J | King_Brad: nevermind, I don't know anything about that anyway. |
| 02:35.51 | abrotman | holy poo |
| 02:35.53 | King_Brad | segers, yes basically |
| 02:35.55 | mwilson | How can you not know? |
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| 02:36.15 | King_Brad | man, even at 500kB/sec it crashs..., forget it, ill just format the stupid drive. |
| 02:36.41 | abrotman | King_Brad: maybe you sohuld try another ftp server? |
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| 02:36.58 | King_Brad | abrothman, do any others work like proftpd? |
| 02:37.12 | mwilson | <sigh> Reading libc6 bugs is always an exercise in futility. |
| 02:37.13 | abrotman | work like how? |
| 02:37.15 | Segers_J | morggin: I join mwilson now in demanding that you defend every action you have ever undertaken. (j/k) ;) |
| 02:37.23 | King_Brad | i personally think its the fact that the drive is fat32 that is causing the problems... |
| 02:37.25 | conor_ | what device is a usb mouse on? /dev/???? |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | mwilson: my eyes glaze over after the first 100 or so :) |
| 02:37.33 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 02:37.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 02:37.35 | conor_ | any1? |
| 02:37.37 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 02:37.37 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 02:37.39 | mwilson | Segers_J: I don't know who you think you're joining... I've never made any such request of him. |
| 02:37.40 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 02:37.40 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 02:37.40 | conor_ | oh |
| 02:37.52 | conor_ | thanks |
| 02:38.52 | we_R_DNA | how do I search for the file icecast.xml |
| 02:38.52 | Azar | Debian on AMD64: http://lwn.net/Articles/113527/ |
| 02:38.55 | we_R_DNA | I have no clue where it is |
| 02:39.03 | wiler | anyone here installed the latest openvpn that is 2.0 rc21? or know where i can find a deb package for it? having problems using the scripts that come wit it openssl on debian eith is different or the scripter has it wrong |
| 02:39.04 | morggin | i did the install from the Sarge AMD64 netinstall iso with a 64 bit kernel from the pure-64 branch source list |
| 02:39.05 | abrotman | !tell we_R_DNA about search |
| 02:39.11 | cafuego | Azar: Debian on amd64: localhost:// |
| 02:39.22 | abrotman | morggin: well . are you sure wine compiles on amd64 64bit? |
| 02:39.29 | Azar | cafuego, what is localhost? |
| 02:39.36 | abrotman | really? |
| 02:39.37 | morggin | i think that may be the problem ... |
| 02:39.42 | furrywolf | blah. I can't think of anything to try next other than swapping the cpu or motherboard. guess it's time to spend more money. :( |
| 02:39.43 | caphuso | uh, what apps would you run with wine on amd64? |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | morggin: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 02:39.48 | cafuego | morggin: Wine can't run on amd64, you will require a 32bit chroot. |
| 02:39.51 | morggin | ok thanks |
| 02:40.02 | mwilson | caphuso: You expect him to have an answer to that? |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | wine can't run .. or wouldn't make any sense ? |
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| 02:40.22 | cafuego | caphuso: SimCity in a 32bit chroot. |
| 02:40.23 | caphuso | abrotman: probably both |
| 02:40.39 | rue_mohr | how do I get a list of all the devel packages installed on a system? |
| 02:40.54 | pipeline | dpkg --get-selections | grep -i dev |
| 02:40.56 | green_earz | furrywolf: dose the bios turn up ? on boot |
| 02:40.59 | rue_mohr | thanks! |
| 02:41.03 | cafuego | morggin: instructions on how to set up such a chroot can be found in the FAQ on http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 02:41.04 | morggin | sorry guys i didnt realize there was a debian-amd64 channel |
| 02:41.05 | abrotman | export COLUMNS=150 ; dpkg -l | grep -dev |
| 02:41.17 | cafuego | abrotman: no. |
| 02:41.21 | cafuego | abrotman: grep -- -dev |
| 02:41.22 | abrotman | hrm .. is - a special char? |
| 02:41.26 | abrotman | that's what i thought |
| 02:41.41 | Segers_J | abrotman: yeah, use 's |
| 02:42.01 | abrotman | well . he gets the idea :) |
| 02:42.11 | King_Brad | the amd64 FX is close to the $900 price range :) |
| 02:42.40 | kelan | you don't need to export the COLUMNS. just put it at the front of the command: |
| 02:42.51 | morggin | if i was gona pay that much i think i would go for the optron |
| 02:42.55 | cafuego | King_Brad: The more sensible priced athlon64's cost less then a slower P4 though. So that's good. |
| 02:43.00 | Segers_J | oh, sorry, cafuego, I missed your response. (I always forget about the -- option, thanks for the reminder) |
| 02:43.02 | kelan | COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l | grep -- -dev |
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| 02:43.14 | kelan | sets it for just that command |
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| 02:43.29 | Opiated | hi, how can I make xterm be transparent? |
| 02:43.40 | Opiated | i didn't see an option for any transparency switches in the man page |
| 02:43.52 | caphuso | Opiated: you can't |
| 02:43.52 | abrotman | Opiated: in debian? |
| 02:43.54 | kelan | Opiated: you can't but you can get an xterm that fakes it |
| 02:43.54 | cafuego | helix: I used a MD recorder to record 7 hours of noises at home whilst me & wife were away. |
| 02:43.59 | King_Brad | yep, i am getting the AMD64 3400+ in a few weeks... $218 :) |
| 02:44.04 | furrywolf | green_earz: nope. lights and fans, but nothing else. tried new power supply, video card, and ram. and, of course, disconnected everything except those... |
| 02:44.09 | helix | cafuego: anything interesting? |
| 02:44.13 | cafuego | helix: There are cat noises, starting BEFORE the car even drives off. |
| 02:44.21 | helix | shocking :) |
| 02:44.23 | cafuego | helix: Bells, thumping, rattling.. |
| 02:44.25 | Opiated | well, I like the font and simplicity of xterm, and i would like for i to be transparent in debian sarge somehow |
| 02:44.27 | helix | heh |
| 02:44.31 | Opiated | is ther a/any way possible |
| 02:44.36 | caphuso | Opiated: not with xterm |
| 02:44.40 | Opiated | ouch |
| 02:44.50 | abrotman | why ouch? |
| 02:44.50 | Opiated | caphuso, what would you suggest |
| 02:44.57 | caphuso | Opiated: not using transparency |
| 02:45.01 | Opiated | cuz ouch for me, i like transparency |
| 02:45.03 | kelan | heh |
| 02:45.13 | mwilson | abrotman: He's another one of those that thinks he needs silly transparency effects. |
| 02:45.19 | abrotman | apparently |
| 02:45.30 | caphuso | Opiated: what i don't suggest, but still know about are rxvt or aterm |
| 02:45.31 | Opiated | mwilson, genealizing and judging isn't cool man |
| 02:45.37 | Segers_J | Opiated: I think gnome-terminal has a fake transparency option |
| 02:45.41 | Opiated | generalizing* |
| 02:45.47 | green_earz | furrywolf: is there any jumper for bus speed. may be not ? and cpu hz ?? |
| 02:45.52 | kelan | Opiated: i think eterm and aterm can both fake transparency, but its not real transparency. it just clips the background image of your desktop behind it |
| 02:45.56 | abrotman | man ... |
| 02:45.58 | abrotman | eterm can |
| 02:46.03 | abrotman | i know that one can .. but it's not worth it |
| 02:46.06 | mwilson | Opiated: Oh, you *don't* think you need silly transparency effects? Then why are you trying to make xterm be transparent? |
| 02:46.09 | Opiated | no worries, I don't have to HAVE transparency, just wondering if its possible in xterm, i don't use gnome/kde or any other lame bloat |
| 02:46.13 | furrywolf | green_earz: not that I can find. and tried a cmos clear... |
| 02:46.17 | caphuso | muahahaha |
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| 02:46.26 | wiler | anyone here installed the latest openvpn that is 2.0 rc21? or know where i can find a deb package for it? having problems using the scripts that come wit it openssl on debian eith is different or the scripter has it wrong |
| 02:46.38 | caphuso | wanting transparency without using bloat |
| 02:46.39 | Opiated | mwilson, shhh, don't hurt yourself while being a prick |
| 02:46.42 | cafuego | Opiated: You don't get to have an opinion on what is "lame bloat". |
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| 02:46.50 | Opiated | its cool |
| 02:46.56 | Opiated | pretend i never even asked |
| 02:46.56 | MobyTurbo | !tell wiler -about repeat |
| 02:47.02 | Opiated | :) |
| 02:47.07 | abrotman | wiler: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:47.15 | rue_mohr | does my system really need ncurses 3, 4 AND 5? |
| 02:47.17 | rue_mohr | :/ |
| 02:47.25 | pipeline | rue_mohr: MOG LBOAT! |
| 02:47.30 | cafuego | rue_mohr: Traditionally just 5 these days. |
| 02:47.43 | rue_mohr | thats what I thought |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | wiler: 1.99_rc2 or some crap is in sid |
| 02:47.49 | cafuego | rue_mohr: You running any old cruft that needs 3 or 4? |
| 02:47.56 | rue_mohr | not that i know of |
| 02:48.09 | rue_mohr | I suppose I'll find out on uninstall |
| 02:48.12 | kelan | rue_mohr: v3 has some of the old school curses that you just don't get with 4 or 5. you know, like "1980 called. it wants its haircut back" |
| 02:48.17 | cafuego | rue_mohr: apt-get remove libncurses4 and see what apt wants to remove |
| 02:48.27 | green_earz | furrywolf: mother board battery , the small round things ? may be dead |
| 02:48.27 | ifup | hello can someone help me? I am running sid and I can not use digikam to read my usb camera unless I am root is there some group I need to be in? |
| 02:48.29 | kelan | maybe thats more of an insult than a curse though |
| 02:48.34 | silverton | how do I reconfigure XFree86 ? |
| 02:48.39 | wiler | yeah its not the newest which is why i wanted to install from source |
| 02:48.41 | Rayeh | Hey, i'm having a problem with a copy of debian net install [testing]. It used to work fine, but now when it tries to install bootloader [lilo and grub], I get errors on the third terminal from apt about how it cannot install usbutils because it depends on libusb-0.1-4 (>= 1:0.1.8) but it is not going to install |
| 02:48.42 | cafuego | !xcfg |
| 02:48.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xcfg is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:48.50 | silverton | thank you cafuego |
| 02:48.51 | Opiated | dpkt-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:48.53 | Opiated | nevermind |
| 02:48.59 | Opiated | i can't type anyway |
| 02:49.01 | Rayeh | should I just use a more recent version of the debian netinstall cd? |
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| 02:49.14 | abrotman | Rayeh: you can try it |
| 02:49.19 | Rayeh | although i'm not sure if that would solve it |
| 02:49.19 | furrywolf | green_earz: I've never seen one of those cause a dead box... typically just complaining of cmos checksum errors and the clock thinking it's 1970. :) |
| 02:49.24 | abrotman | Rayeh: or ask #debian-boot |
| 02:49.33 | abrotman | if they're awake anyways |
| 02:49.37 | rue_mohr | wow us.debian.org is hurting |
| 02:49.42 | Rayeh | abrotman, okay, thanks. I wasn't sure if there was a more relevant channel |
| 02:49.49 | abrotman | #debian deathmatch!!! |
| 02:49.50 | green_earz | furrywolf: just a idear |
| 02:49.54 | helix | abrotman: what about a_monkey? |
| 02:50.04 | abrotman | helix: he's not a four legged killer! |
| 02:50.21 | Opiated | you've never seen 28 days later |
| 02:50.23 | helix | he can throw feces from the sidelines |
| 02:50.29 | Opiated | ? |
| 02:50.33 | abrotman | oh .. as the ref |
| 02:50.41 | abrotman | Opiated: still not 4 legged |
| 02:50.43 | Opiated | they can be very much the 4 'legged' creatures |
| 02:50.51 | abrotman | can be .. |
| 02:50.58 | Azar | I would not install sarge directly unless it officially comes out. |
| 02:50.58 | Segers_J | helix: nah, give him a shiv and let him wade in >:) |
| 02:51.15 | Opiated | Azar, i have been using sarge for a year now |
| 02:51.19 | Opiated | it runs pretty damn good |
| 02:51.22 | abrotman | well |
| 02:51.26 | Azar | ..which I heard is about july-august this year |
| 02:51.38 | Opiated | wow |
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| 02:51.41 | green_earz | furrywolf: have you got any ofter ram to pop in just one stick. |
| 02:51.43 | abrotman | Azar: you mean xmas time ? |
| 02:51.43 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:51.44 | Opiated | hell will freze over this summer |
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| 02:51.47 | Opiated | :) |
| 02:51.58 | Opiated | maye xmas time |
| 02:51.59 | furrywolf | green_earz: as I said before... tried different ram. :) |
| 02:52.01 | Azar | Opiated I just got in the routine of installing woody, and climb out from there |
| 02:52.06 | green_earz | ok |
| 02:52.22 | Azar | abrotman, no rumors has it sarge comes out no later than august |
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| 02:52.30 | Opiated | Azar, just wait until hell has finally frozen over, and satan is trying to light a fire to get warm, sarge might come out then |
| 02:52.31 | Opiated | ;) |
| 02:52.35 | abrotman | Azar: key word .. Rumors |
| 02:53.09 | Azar | yeah rumors, but ya'll know what? I like woody better, I just climbed to sarge and hell if I see any big difference |
| 02:53.11 | abrotman | i can see the slashdot headline now ... "Hell Freezes Over:Sarge Releases: Duke Nukem 3D Next Week" |
| 02:53.13 | Azar | I mean improvement |
| 02:53.21 | caphuso | abrotman: heh |
| 02:54.02 | Azar | I have to admit I had to perform two dist-upgrades to get it out of hiccups |
| 02:54.04 | caphuso | i really liked how duke nukem 3D wasn't on the vaporware award of the year list in 2004 |
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| 02:54.18 | pipeline | It's no longer notable vaporware |
| 02:54.21 | pipeline | nobody believes it's going to come out |
| 02:54.27 | caphuso | pipeline: i am! |
| 02:54.30 | abrotman | caphuso: kind of it was .. got a lifetime achievement award :) |
| 02:54.39 | caphuso | abrotman: nah, that was the year before |
| 02:54.41 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:54.50 | caphuso | so they didn't let it in again |
| 02:55.05 | Azar | the way I saw it over the past year there are only two choices: i/o , stable or sid |
| 02:55.06 | ifup | hello can someone help me? I am running sid and I can not use digikam to read my usb camera unless I am root is there some group I need to be in? |
| 02:55.12 | furrywolf | brb, going to poke at the box with a bright flashlight. :) |
| 02:55.12 | pipeline | George washington and Hitler are going to play a saxophone-theremin duet at Duke 4ever's release party. |
| 02:55.18 | pipeline | They'll come in riding unicorns. |
| 02:55.20 | abrotman | ifup: look at the device |
| 02:55.34 | abrotman | furrywolf: that might help |
| 02:55.46 | Azar | speaking of games: God of War is gonna win this year |
| 02:55.50 | furrywolf | abrotman: doubt it. just want to make sure there's no jumpers I missed. |
| 02:56.13 | abrotman | furrywolf: maybe if you tap the mobo with a sledgehammer? |
| 02:56.15 | furrywolf | probably will pull the motherboard out too just to make sure there isn't something stuck behind it or something else useful |
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| 02:56.53 | ifup | abrotman: in what way? |
| 02:57.41 | King_Brad | ø§?§ø? sensored `ø§?§ø <--- could a directory name in that format be causing my kernel crashs?? |
| 02:57.53 | pipeline | King_Brad: Not unless you did something pretty fucked up. |
| 02:57.55 | abrotman | swedish porn? |
| 02:58.06 | abrotman | ifup: ls -l |
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| 02:58.15 | King_Brad | pipeline, explain fucked up, i am a quite fucked up person |
| 02:59.09 | abrotman | swedish porn! |
| 02:59.38 | epsilon | King_Brad: nope |
| 03:00.24 | King_Brad | well something is not right... |
| 03:00.44 | King_Brad | when it crashs it just has 2 lines going down the screen, one on the left, one on the right... |
| 03:01.11 | pipeline | King_Brad: It could screw up your terminal, but it won't bring the system down. |
| 03:01.21 | pipeline | King_Brad: Are you using a framebuffer mode? |
| 03:01.28 | King_Brad | framebuffer mode? |
| 03:01.31 | King_Brad | how do i check? |
| 03:01.37 | epsilon | King_Brad: well, if you have something like "ø§?§ø? sensored `ø§?§ø" on your drive, it could be indeed not alright |
| 03:02.00 | pipeline | King_Brad: when it "crashes" can you still access the system over the network? And a framebuffer mode would have something like "vga=foo" on the kernel arguments |
| 03:02.22 | King_Brad | pipeline when it crashs... i cannot do anything to that system, remote or local... |
| 03:03.10 | epsilon | not even Alt-Ctrl-Fkey? |
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| 03:03.20 | King_Brad | oops |
| 03:03.23 | King_Brad | :( |
| 03:03.32 | King_Brad | nope |
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| 03:03.33 | abrotman | he missed the answer! |
| 03:03.39 | Kerr | How can i get info about my monitor resolution, etc? I Know it involves cat proc something, but i don't know what :-/ |
| 03:03.54 | King_Brad | i missed hte answer??? repeat it please please pelast!!! |
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| 03:04.05 | cafuego | Kerr: xdpyinfo |
| 03:05.05 | JC | anyone using Mambo with Debian? |
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| 03:06.11 | YodeL | a noob question how do i get my ip ? |
| 03:06.29 | YodeL | likr win has ipconfig |
| 03:06.35 | JC | any Mambo user? |
| 03:06.40 | JC | iwconfig |
| 03:06.42 | abrotman | !address |
| 03:06.42 | dpkg | it has been said that myip is /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub"addr:","";print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)/ {print qq|$1\n|}' |
| 03:06.45 | JC | ooopss ifconfig |
| 03:07.49 | JC | dpkg - thats ridiculuous |
| 03:08.05 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 03:08.05 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:08.21 | JC | hahaha |
| 03:08.27 | JC | ifconfig - all you need |
| 03:08.38 | abrotman | it strips out all the extra info |
| 03:09.02 | JC | ok...am i in the right place to get info for Mambo and Debian? |
| 03:09.14 | JC | 700+ users - u expect somebody hs a clue |
| 03:09.18 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:09.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:09.40 | abrotman | i don't know what mambo is .. perhaps you're having a more specific problem? |
| 03:09.55 | cafuego | abrotman: it's a PHP/Mysql CMS |
| 03:09.56 | kelan | dpkg shouldn't link to user friendly. because its lame |
| 03:09.59 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:10.05 | abrotman | kelan: you clicked it ... |
| 03:10.07 | JC | Mambo is a CMS - Content Management Server - Mamboserver.com |
| 03:10.12 | kelan | no i didn't |
| 03:10.23 | abrotman | kelan: so remove the link |
| 03:10.32 | abrotman | or ask userfriendly to remove the comic |
| 03:10.34 | kelan | can i? |
| 03:10.43 | abrotman | ask userfriendly all you want |
| 03:10.47 | kelan | no i don't mean that specific comment |
| 03:10.50 | kelan | er comic |
| 03:10.58 | kelan | i mean *user friendly is lame* |
| 03:11.00 | JC | 776 users and no Mambo - wow! |
| 03:11.11 | abrotman | kelan: well . someone put it in there .. so we leave it there |
| 03:11.21 | cafuego | kelan: People who think they have to decide what is or isn't lame are lame. |
| 03:11.41 | kelan | think they have to decide? |
| 03:11.54 | abrotman | that? |
| 03:12.00 | kelan | you mean people who form opinions? |
| 03:12.02 | abrotman | oh . he got it |
| 03:12.08 | kelan | i guess that would mean everyone |
| 03:12.16 | abrotman | no .. people try to subject others to your definition of lame .. are lame |
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| 03:12.28 | kelan | hmm. that is true |
| 03:12.30 | cafuego | kelan: many peple with opinions keep most of them to themselves most of the time. |
| 03:12.40 | abrotman | cafuego: in here? |
| 03:12.46 | kelan | cafuego: this is irc! |
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| 03:12.52 | pi | okay, they are all asleap in #postfix, |
| 03:12.59 | cafuego | kelan: is that supposed to be an excuse? |
| 03:13.03 | abrotman | pi: they will wake up soon |
| 03:13.07 | JC | this group is too |
| 03:13.13 | abrotman | is too what? |
| 03:13.19 | JC | Zzzz... |
| 03:13.23 | abrotman | wow .. the daily number in PA was 007 |
| 03:13.27 | MobyTurbo | kelan: in my time zone Sunday doesn't start for another 45 minutes. Please wait until then. |
| 03:13.30 | pi | I finally set smtpd to non-chroot, and setup saslauthd, but I get this error, and I'm unclear as to the cause of it (Seems like a permissions problem) |
| 03:13.38 | zignig | abrotman: daily number ? |
| 03:13.40 | abrotman | what are the odds of that .. like .. 1 in a 1000 or something :) |
| 03:13.43 | abrotman | zignig: lottery |
| 03:13.46 | pi | error: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Permission denied |
| 03:13.53 | zignig | abrotman: you have 1 number lottery ? |
| 03:13.54 | kelan | MobyTurbo: wait until then for? preaching? |
| 03:14.03 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: i thought you moved east |
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| 03:14.12 | abrotman | zignig: 007 .. three digits |
| 03:14.13 | pixil9 | Can anyone recommend a good tv watching program for my tvtuner? |
| 03:14.21 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: I am on the east coast already, never lived anywhere else. |
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| 03:14.28 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: you sohuld move east :) |
| 03:14.33 | zignig | abrotman: ah ok. |
| 03:15.12 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: Brooklyn, NY. Before NYC I lived in Virginia |
| 03:15.12 | kelan | pixil9: you want a program that watches tv for you? |
| 03:15.20 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: i was so close! |
| 03:15.24 | pixil9 | kelan: ya |
| 03:15.30 | kelan | hmm |
| 03:15.30 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: well, Conn. is close |
| 03:15.38 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: i know . i used to drive up that way a lot |
| 03:16.02 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: i live outside philly .. |
| 03:16.02 | green_earz | pi: postfix is chroot the Permission problem may be related saslauthd and postfix chroot . may |
| 03:16.06 | cafuego | pixil9: Unless you live in 1983, there isn't anything on tv that's worth watching, let alone buy a tuner card for. |
| 03:16.13 | abrotman | so i know right where hartford and brooklyn are :) |
| 03:16.22 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: I have an uncle who used to live in Media |
| 03:16.30 | pi | no, i made smtpd non-chrooted. |
| 03:16.34 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: near my office |
| 03:16.42 | kelan | cafuego: he doesn't want to watch tv. he wants a program to watch tv for him |
| 03:16.44 | pixil9 | Well I happen to like the FM tuner on it |
| 03:16.48 | kelan | so he doesn't have to, i guess |
| 03:16.52 | cafuego | pi: Check the permissions on the saslauthd socket. /var/run/saslauthd. make sure postfix can connect. |
| 03:16.52 | spoopin | cafuego: ok. What in 1983 was worth watching? |
| 03:16.53 | pixil9 | cafuego: thanks for the info! |
| 03:17.05 | cafuego | spoopin: First showings of the A Team, of course. |
| 03:17.05 | abrotman | spoopin: bosom buddies! |
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| 03:17.12 | green_earz | pi: but the core part is chroot |
| 03:17.20 | cafuego | kids these days... |
| 03:17.23 | Nwallins | was welcome back still going? |
| 03:17.28 | spoopin | cafuego: don't forget Greatest american Hero ;) |
| 03:17.32 | abrotman | don't think so |
| 03:17.35 | furrywolf | gah! I bet I know what's wrong with the board. |
| 03:17.38 | abrotman | spoopin: can we .. please? :) |
| 03:17.43 | furrywolf | problem exists between chair and screwdriver |
| 03:17.49 | kelan | what about macguyver? was that on in '83? |
| 03:17.54 | furrywolf | (aka problem has a fluffy tail...) |
| 03:18.01 | abrotman | kelan: no |
| 03:18.11 | Nwallins | err.. mac theme song |
| 03:18.12 | abrotman | kelan: well . i'm pretty sure no |
| 03:18.16 | spoopin | abrotman: unfortunately not. My wife made me rent it for her |
| 03:18.26 | abrotman | spoopin: bad wife .. bad! |
| 03:18.53 | dogayonv | how about gilligans island? the professor can make a radio out of a coconut but he cant fix the hole in a boat. LOL |
| 03:18.55 | spoopin | abrotman: I know. Now she wants season 1 of Diff'rent Strokes |
| 03:18.57 | abrotman | and Dallas was on :) |
| 03:19.10 | abrotman | falcon crest etc |
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| 03:19.18 | kelan | imdb says '85 for macguyver. pretty close |
| 03:19.22 | Nwallins | spoopin: you should make her rent a different stroke flick |
| 03:19.26 | MobyTurbo | there was a Simpson's episode where one of Bart's twin aunts said she'd quit smoking except for meals or after McGuyver. |
| 03:19.40 | spoopin | Nwallins: haha... quite |
| 03:20.10 | MobyTurbo | s/Simpson's/Simpsons |
| 03:20.17 | deadcat | has module 8139too been removed from 2.6 or still there? |
| 03:20.33 | abrotman | deadcat: have firmware? |
| 03:20.38 | spoopin | deadcat: still there and loaded here |
| 03:20.39 | cafuego | deadcat: still there |
| 03:20.42 | deadcat | thanks |
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| 03:21.33 | rixth | Does anyone know if Creative Zen Touch's are compatible with Linux? |
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| 03:21.55 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 03:21.55 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 03:22.01 | silverton | Could someone in here possibly help me to get my Audigy2 ZS working with alsa? |
| 03:22.27 | JC | Mambo and Debian anyone? |
| 03:22.35 | groogs | Anyone know where I can find some info on how to load-share multiple internet connections on a LAN? Outgoing only.. I've read the advanced routing how-to, but it describes a situation where you control both ends .. i only control one |
| 03:22.40 | rixth | MoMobyTurbo, eugh. |
| 03:22.44 | rixth | MobyTurbo, eugh. |
| 03:22.46 | abrotman | JC: might be better to try back in the AM EST |
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| 03:22.48 | MobyTurbo | JC: dont' make me sic the bot on you too |
| 03:23.17 | JC | dang...a question only |
| 03:23.27 | green_earz | rixth: have a look at mandrake's hard ware support section. it may help ? |
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| 03:24.47 | abrotman | JC: what is the problem with it ? .. you just keep asking if we use it |
| 03:24.54 | JC | abrotman: can you clarify why the AM would be better - my first time here |
| 03:25.27 | abrotman | JC: different people .. you've asked 3 times .. apparently noone uses it .. but what is the problem you're having with mambo? |
| 03:25.29 | King_Brad | okay, how would i go about formatting a drive? i just made new partitions on it. |
| 03:25.37 | JC | i just want to know if MySQL, PHP4, and Apache needs any special configuration after apt-get - that's ALL |
| 03:25.52 | abrotman | JC: that's it? |
| 03:26.02 | JC | it |
| 03:26.20 | spoopin | King_Brad: what filesystem do you want to use? |
| 03:26.28 | King_Brad | a nix native... |
| 03:26.30 | cafuego | JC: If so, mambo will come with a sample htaccess or apache.conf file. |
| 03:26.43 | King_Brad | i dont know what partitions are avail to me |
| 03:26.49 | abrotman | JC: normally .. if you apt-get install mysql-server apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 php4.. (assuming sarge) .. then no .. not that im' aware |
| 03:26.50 | spoopin | King_Brad: man mke2fs |
| 03:26.54 | King_Brad | k |
| 03:26.55 | King_Brad | thx |
| 03:27.03 | abrotman | JC: why didn't you just try it? |
| 03:27.14 | cafuego | abrotman: Do you know what day it is? |
| 03:27.17 | spoopin | King_Brad: np |
| 03:27.20 | abrotman | cafuego: not yet! |
| 03:27.34 | cafuego | Sun Apr 17 13:27:34 EST 2005 |
| 03:27.37 | JC | ok...just gonna try it |
| 03:27.43 | cafuego | abrotman: For a long, long time. |
| 03:27.44 | abrotman | Sat Apr 16 23:27:40 EDT 2005 |
| 03:27.49 | abrotman | i'm still good! |
| 03:27.49 | kelan | earth day? |
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| 03:28.08 | green_earz | King_Brad: the link may be of help > http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAdditionalHardDrive.html |
| 03:28.28 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: you were supposed to set the clock one hour agead, not 14 hours ahead. ;-) |
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| 03:28.55 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: and it still says "EST" ;-) ;-) |
| 03:28.58 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: The switchover in australia was in the other direction, 2 weeks ago. |
| 03:29.17 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: I know it's the aussie EST, I'm joking. |
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| 03:31.56 | trak | nas |
| 03:31.56 | gpm | when does branden take over as dpl? |
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| 03:33.19 | jackah | while compiling kernel 2.6.11.7 i got those errors: make[3]: *** [drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.o] Erreur 1 |
| 03:33.19 | jackah | make[2]: *** [drivers/char/drm] Erreur 2 |
| 03:33.19 | jackah | make[1]: *** [drivers/char] Erreur 2 |
| 03:33.19 | jackah | make: *** [drivers] Erreur 2 |
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| 03:33.28 | furrywolf | hrmph. well, if I plug the memory in _wrong_, I get a long-short-short beep code. so at least something is functioning... |
| 03:33.50 | silverton | jackah, I get that same error |
| 03:33.51 | jackah | what do i need to do for correcting those errors |
| 03:34.06 | furrywolf | however, the sticker says it's a phoenix bios, and that's not a valid phoenix beep code. |
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| 03:34.11 | silverton | jackah, go into the menuconfig, and get rid of video drivers you don't need |
| 03:34.29 | kelan | gpm: results page says april 17 |
| 03:34.35 | jackah | ok thanks for the answer silverton! |
| 03:34.37 | furrywolf | if I recall from way back when, long-short-short is video... |
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| 03:35.41 | llama32 | hi ppl |
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| 03:36.56 | llama32 | im having troubles with apt... how can i make it forget about failed install attempts? i cant do anything because when i go to install something it says package xlib-dev or whatever has unmet dependencies - and that was from a previous [failed] installation attempt |
| 03:37.33 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
| 03:37.43 | abrotman | and if you can't install xlib-dev .. you've fucked something badl |
| 03:37.44 | abrotman | badly |
| 03:38.05 | llama32 | yeah it was from a xandros cd :) |
| 03:38.31 | polok | is there something other than mplayer which plays wma files under linux? |
| 03:38.35 | llama32 | but if i do -f, it wants me to download 15+mb of something i dont want any more (and im on dialup) |
| 03:38.40 | MobyTurbo | polok: maybe vlc |
| 03:38.59 | polok | MobyTurbo: ta |
| 03:39.10 | abrotman | llama32: see .. this is #debian .. not #xandros |
| 03:39.49 | llama32 | im not on xandros |
| 03:40.05 | abrotman | you are now |
| 03:40.09 | Thanatermesis | any beta-tester for install xorg from a repository for debian-sid ? |
| 03:40.30 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite Thanatermesis |
| 03:40.31 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Thanatermesis. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:40.49 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: are you asking for beta testers .. or looking to know if there are any? |
| 03:40.55 | llama32 | i was trying to get xlib-dev off a xandros cd, then dpkg couldnt do it and now apt wont do anything until its installed (which means 15+mb of download which is why i tried to install it off a cd - im on dialup) |
| 03:41.12 | abrotman | llama32: man dpkg .. if you're lucky |
| 03:41.29 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, Im created the debian packages for xorg for debian, any person like to test it ? |
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| 03:41.44 | mwilson | What good would xlibs-dev off a Xandros CD do you? |
| 03:41.55 | mwilson | Thanatermesis: You must be joking. |
| 03:42.02 | abrotman | apparnetly not :) |
| 03:42.24 | Thanatermesis | mwilson, joking? |
| 03:42.31 | mwilson | Like anyone with half a brain would test random packages from an IRC channel. |
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| 03:42.43 | llama32 | mwilson: wha bad would it do? other than get me in my current situation but it isnt xandros' fault |
| 03:42.49 | Thanatermesis | o_O |
| 03:42.49 | llama32 | *what |
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| 03:42.52 | abrotman | mwilson: as oppsed to a random one in a mailing list or apt-get.org ? |
| 03:43.07 | MobyTurbo | llama32: you've just answered that question |
| 03:43.07 | mwilson | abrotman: No, not as opposed to. I wouldn't use either one of those, either. |
| 03:43.16 | Thanatermesis | xDDDD mwilson |
| 03:43.19 | Thanatermesis | is true |
| 03:43.21 | abrotman | mwilson: or even official packages :) |
| 03:43.22 | Thanatermesis | ok ok |
| 03:43.23 | Thanatermesis | no test |
| 03:43.29 | abrotman | but hopefully people would know |
| 03:43.35 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: you could email the users list maybe ? |
| 03:43.38 | llama32 | MobyTurbo: no, the question was what bad would it do _other_ than what its already done :D |
| 03:43.41 | Thanatermesis | tomorrow all people add this repo line... |
| 03:43.48 | mwilson | abrotman: I trust Overfiend. |
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| 03:43.58 | abrotman | mwilson: i'd let him date my mom :) |
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| 03:44.53 | mwilson | abrotman: Can't you just see some fool taking advantage of all the other fools whining about x.org and creating a package that did nothing more than 'rm -rf /' in its pre-inst? |
| 03:45.04 | abrotman | mwilson: yes .. |
| 03:45.20 | llama32 | *gone* :( |
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| 03:45.56 | furrywolf | hrrmph. long-short-short appears to be "rom checksum failure". joy. |
| 03:46.19 | abrotman | furrywolf: we did say .. "fucked mobo" .. about what .. 4 hours ago? |
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| 03:46.46 | furrywolf | yeah, but now I know it's the mobo and not the cpu. :) |
| 03:46.52 | furrywolf | beep codes are a good sign the cpu works... |
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| 03:47.25 | abrotman | not that that is a good thing |
| 03:47.39 | pipeline | actually |
| 03:47.40 | pipeline | in that case |
| 03:47.44 | pipeline | it's not a sign that the CPU is undamaged |
| 03:48.05 | pipeline | What do you think was computing the checksum? :P |
| 03:48.05 | abrotman | iirc . no beep codes come out with the cpu damaged |
| 03:49.05 | furrywolf | pipeline: lol |
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| 03:49.21 | a_monkey | anybody know where i can download enlightenment's "engage" solely? |
| 03:49.42 | furrywolf | I ought to get an 80h read card... |
| 03:49.48 | abrotman | a_monkey: there is a #enlightenment iirc |
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| 03:49.56 | a_monkey | abrotman: nobody's there :( |
| 03:50.06 | abrotman | oh .. come on |
| 03:50.13 | abrotman | a_monkey: noone is there .. or noone is talking? |
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| 03:50.49 | Kerr | Is there a version of wordpress that works with mysql 4.1 ? |
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| 03:53.51 | Kerr | geh |
| 03:54.04 | chacal | hi all. how to open a .deb package without using apt- ? or dpkg? any app for that? |
| 03:54.23 | Kerr | to install it, dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 03:54.33 | ifup | help a semi noob.. I am running sid what do I need to run usb? hotplug udev usbmgr? |
| 03:54.38 | chacal | Kerr that is it...I'm not a debian user ;( |
| 03:54.54 | chacal | I used to have it in another machine...but not here now. |
| 03:55.09 | Kerr | hm? |
| 03:55.10 | abrotman | chacal: ar |
| 03:55.27 | King_Brad | what is the name of the partion manager uses during install? |
| 03:55.32 | chacal | abrotman is "ar" an application for that ? |
| 03:55.45 | abrotman | chacal: a deb is an ar format .. |
| 03:55.55 | abrotman | chacal: ar -x file.deb iirc |
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| 03:55.57 | Kerr | time for my own newb/drunk question ~.~ how do i get apt to take wordpress from unstable repositories instead of testing? |
| 03:56.30 | abrotman | why not just wait for it to enter sarge? |
| 03:56.40 | chacal | abrotman isn't that a command to "pack" it? I need to unpack it... |
| 03:56.44 | Kerr | ah, -t |
| 03:56.50 | abrotman | chacal: did you try it ? |
| 03:56.56 | Kerr | i dunno? |
| 03:58.09 | Kerr | geh |
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| 03:58.20 | Kerr | wants me to uninstall mysql 4.1, for 4.0 |
| 03:58.20 | kelan | chacal: an '-x' option to archival programs often stands for 'extract' |
| 03:59.08 | chacal | abrotman yeah..it has unpacked it in two other .tar.gz files |
| 03:59.17 | MobyTurbo | !Sunday |
| 03:59.17 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:59.23 | abrotman | chacal: iirc . one is data .. the other is control |
| 03:59.42 | kelan | why not saturday too? |
| 03:59.44 | Kerr | MobyTurbo: announcing your arrival ? |
| 03:59.48 | chacal | abrotman do I have to care about the control one ? |
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| 03:59.57 | abrotman | chacal: i don't know what you're trying to do |
| 04:00.08 | abrotman | Kerr: what time is it .. ? |
| 04:00.20 | abrotman | Kerr: on the east coast of .us ? |
| 04:00.22 | MobyTurbo | kelan: Kerr: I'm already getting stupid questions from you two, confirming that it's Sunday. |
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| 04:00.44 | chacal | abrotman it is a pack with many files. a package of skins. I found them all togheter as a .deb file. |
| 04:00.47 | kelan | stupid questions can be asked on any day |
| 04:00.59 | abrotman | chacal: then .. you probably odn't need te control stuff |
| 04:01.00 | chacal | abrotman I could download each of them separetely.but they are togheter in a .deb file...that was nice to me. |
| 04:01.20 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:01.27 | Kerr | MobyTurbo: confirming i'm drunk :) i -did- remember, eventualy |
| 04:01.42 | kelan | my question was more rhetorical, really. as in, are people too busy doing other things on saturday that they wait until sunday? |
| 04:01.59 | abrotman | kelan: to do what ? |
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| 04:02.17 | kelan | to flock here to ask stupid questions |
| 04:02.29 | MobyTurbo | kelan: Kerr: no, they don't. /msg dpkg permasunday |
| 04:02.32 | abrotman | kelan: it just seems to be the day . no idea why |
| 04:03.03 | chacal | abrotman that is it. thanks a lot. |
| 04:03.17 | Kerr | i didn't see -t defined in the man, or in --help, but i have had a little to drink. |
| 04:03.32 | abrotman | chacal: yay |
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| 04:04.11 | MobyTurbo | Kerr: apt-get's manual has -t in it. |
| 04:05.10 | kelan | do apt and dpkg (the bots, not the programs) have different purposes? it seems that apt sometimes does not answer questions. |
| 04:05.10 | Kerr | i saw -s jump to -y and though -t had bene missed out. |
| 04:05.17 | abrotman | kelan: apt used to die ... a lot |
| 04:05.41 | Kerr | i'm not denying the fact that i is there, i just didn't see it. |
| 04:05.53 | silverton | kernel-image-2.6.11-3-k7 <--- is that in the sid pool? |
| 04:06.08 | Kerr | unless it's something like 'know any alternatives to wordpress that will be happy wiyh mysql 4.1' , something that you can't get in a manual. i check --help, etc first. |
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| 04:06.26 | abrotman | silverton: you can look .. you don't need us to tell you |
| 04:06.31 | Kerr | on that note.. |
| 04:06.31 | MobyTurbo | Kerr: it's not in --help, but if you read --help it points you to the manpage for a complete list, and 'man apt-get' indeed has it |
| 04:06.40 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 04:06.41 | silverton | well, I was kinda hoping that someone in here might already know |
| 04:06.43 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-k7: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD K7.), section base, is optional. Version: 101 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 04:06.43 | silverton | since I'm lazy... |
| 04:06.48 | abrotman | that didn't work |
| 04:06.52 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.11-k7 |
| 04:06.57 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 04:07.07 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.11-3-k7 |
| 04:07.10 | abrotman | that's my last try |
| 04:07.16 | abrotman | and dpkg doesn't like it |
| 04:07.20 | silverton | :( |
| 04:07.26 | Kerr | MobyTurbo: i went to the man, and for reasons unknown, thought stuff would be in alphabetical order. on a second look i saw it, hence my answering my own question. |
| 04:07.27 | kelan | try asking apt! |
| 04:07.29 | abrotman | !tell silverton about search |
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| 04:07.59 | King_Brad | how can i start disk druid?? |
| 04:08.11 | Kerr | anyone know a good alternative to wordpress that will be happy wiyh mysql 4.1 |
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| 04:08.24 | MobyTurbo | King_Brad: disk druid is in another distro, not Debian. |
| 04:08.54 | MobyTurbo | King_Brad: if you need to change partitions, use cfdisk or parted |
| 04:09.01 | King_Brad | okay, what is debians version of disk druid? |
| 04:09.21 | Xenguy | King_Brad: cfdisk |
| 04:09.28 | King_Brad | okay |
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| 04:09.34 | King_Brad | is there a version with a GUI? |
| 04:09.46 | kelan | use lvm, then you don't have to worry about partition sizes |
| 04:09.55 | Xenguy | it is curses-based, not GUI |
| 04:10.06 | stouset | King_Brad: not that I know of, what's the difference? The only difference is eye candy. |
| 04:10.07 | King_Brad | i need something like disk druid |
| 04:10.14 | stouset | King_Brad: Why? |
| 04:10.17 | jim | don't use lvm for / partition |
| 04:10.19 | King_Brad | and me being dumb |
| 04:10.27 | jim | use ext2 or ext3 |
| 04:10.35 | kelan | jim: yes, i should have stated that |
| 04:10.37 | stouset | King_Brad: they're nearly identical; what's the difference? |
| 04:10.44 | King_Brad | okay |
| 04:10.50 | kelan | lvm can be problematic for / |
| 04:10.56 | King_Brad | i made the partition, i just cannot figure out how in the hell to format the damn drive... |
| 04:11.01 | jim | that would change given the availability of rescue media that supports lvm |
| 04:11.18 | stouset | mke2fs -j /dev/<partition> |
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| 04:11.51 | King_Brad | okay |
| 04:12.39 | King_Brad | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1 , i get that error after the format?! |
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| 04:13.08 | jim | King_Brad: specify partition type (man mount) |
| 04:13.10 | conor | !ps/2mous |
| 04:13.12 | King_Brad | ahhh found it, |
| 04:13.19 | conor | !usbmouse |
| 04:13.19 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 04:13.29 | King_Brad | i had the drive in my fstab as a fat32 drive, cahnged it to auto, and it works... thx dudes. |
| 04:13.50 | jim | ahh, yes, that would do it |
| 04:14.08 | jim | thx1138? |
| 04:14.23 | MobyTurbo | I use a USB mouse, and have no problems with it using imps2 rather than exps2 |
| 04:14.29 | abrotman | jim: no thanks |
| 04:15.08 | MobyTurbo | (for X) |
| 04:15.35 | jim | I liked that movie, but another from the same time, wizards, was cooler and better |
| 04:15.47 | a_monkey | what package contains "aclocal"? |
| 04:15.58 | abrotman | !tell a_monkey about search |
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| 04:19.02 | hrishikesh | how do i see in a kerne;l if some patch is already applied to it or not |
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| 04:21.13 | kelan | look at the patch text then grep for it? |
| 04:21.14 | abrotman | hrishikesh: check the diff |
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| 04:23.45 | hrishikesh | abortman: how? |
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| 04:24.18 | nono31 | ,yacc |
| 04:24.36 | nono31 | what is the package for yacc ? |
| 04:24.36 | Xenguy | moo |
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| 04:24.46 | abrotman | hrishikesh: on the website for one |
| 04:24.52 | phaedral | hi all; anyone willing to point me to either a) their favorite web-bb-app, b) a good site for reviews of web-bbs? |
| 04:24.56 | abrotman | !tell nono31 about search |
| 04:24.56 | phaedral | :) |
| 04:25.12 | phaedral | terribly ot, but i trust the opinions here |
| 04:25.56 | kelan | i think the original yacc is not publcly available. try bison |
| 04:26.00 | kelan | its yacc compatible |
| 04:26.04 | nono31 | abrotman: found many packages refering to some yacc implementations but not a kind of "orginal" package... |
| 04:26.13 | abrotman | !yacc |
| 04:26.14 | dpkg | [yacc] Yet Another Compiler Compiler, or apt-get install bison |
| 04:26.20 | nono31 | kelan: thx |
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| 04:27.09 | jim | phaedral: there's a thing, it's big, it's used to build big sites (but it's good for small apps too; the api is nice) called openacs, which requires,,, recent tcl (8.4+), aolserver 4+, postgres 7.4.x but not 8 yet |
| 04:27.16 | kelan | web-bbs are harder to shoot. they gum up the gun |
| 04:27.23 | kelan | try regular bbs |
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| 04:27.49 | phaedral | jim: thx; will take a peek |
| 04:28.01 | phaedral | kelan: :) |
| 04:28.03 | jim | there was a hazing story yesterday about some Berkeley frat that shot pledges with bbs |
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| 04:28.12 | phaedral | my intended user base won't grok non-web... |
| 04:29.24 | jim | phaedral: take a look at... photo.net (original acs, not openacs tho), scorecard.org (same), hmm, here's some openacs sites: greenpeace.org, berkleemusic.com |
| 04:30.09 | kelan | how can i get bitchx to put a colon at the end of tab-completed names? |
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| 04:30.24 | phaedral | jim: good ol greenspun? |
| 04:30.29 | jim | yep |
| 04:30.34 | jim | you got it |
| 04:30.58 | phaedral | saw him at caltech, way back when |
| 04:31.01 | jim | and sussman/abelson to a smaller degree |
| 04:31.12 | jim | phaedral: 1985?? |
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| 04:31.41 | phaedral | jim: perhaps not quite *that* far back? |
| 04:31.45 | King_Brad | when i use the mount command with -t what FS should i put for Linux Ext3 ? |
| 04:31.59 | kelan | ext3 |
| 04:32.07 | jim | wait, I may not be thinking right.. they did a SICP lecture series, the whole thing, for someone,,, caltech? hmm |
| 04:32.10 | King_Brad | it doesnt like that |
| 04:32.11 | kelan | i would guess |
| 04:32.13 | kelan | hmm |
| 04:32.23 | jim | so that's where Feynman taught... |
| 04:32.41 | kelan | thats what the manpage says to use |
| 04:32.42 | phaedral | jim: it was an ars digita ad show; maybe circa 2000 |
| 04:32.42 | adexta | how do i increase my resolution? the list stops at 1024x768. |
| 04:32.51 | jim | ahh |
| 04:33.05 | jim | I did a boot camp in 2002, but he wasn't there |
| 04:33.34 | jim | but Karl, the guy who did the templating system, was |
| 04:33.35 | kelan | adexta: what list? in XF86Config-4? |
| 04:34.01 | MobyTurbo | nono31: another possibility is byacc, yacc from BSD |
| 04:34.05 | King_Brad | okay |
| 04:34.08 | phaedral | and look, they've got a channel here on freenode |
| 04:34.12 | King_Brad | -o is a bad option, why? |
| 04:34.16 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:34.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 04:34.34 | jim | phaedral: openacs? yeah, they're here. |
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| 04:34.55 | adexta | kelan: i'm running the KDE configuration control panel thinger |
| 04:34.57 | phaedral | looking at the home page; thanks for the lead; shoulda thought of that myself |
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| 04:35.15 | jim | it's quite mature and usable now too] |
| 04:35.19 | Jessa | hello |
| 04:35.23 | Jessa | can i ask somtin? |
| 04:35.29 | jim | you just did |
| 04:35.32 | Jessa | xD |
| 04:35.34 | Jessa | lolz |
| 04:35.36 | Jessa | hmm |
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| 04:35.37 | badblody | how can i know the functions that provides o library ? |
| 04:35.38 | MobyTurbo | !tell Jessa about ask |
| 04:35.39 | jim | wanna ask somthin else |
| 04:35.40 | abrotman | !aolify Jessa |
| 04:35.49 | Jessa | where can i get debian? |
| 04:35.53 | kelan | adexta: ah, well can't help you then. don't use kde, myself. sorry |
| 04:35.55 | badblody | how can i know the functions that provides a library ? |
| 04:35.55 | Jessa | is it same as windows os? |
| 04:35.56 | MobyTurbo | !d-i Jessa |
| 04:35.57 | dpkg | Jessa, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:36.08 | King_Brad | got it :) |
| 04:36.14 | adexta | Jessa: no, it's not |
| 04:36.19 | Jessa | hmm |
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| 04:36.19 | kelan | hah, dpkg |
| 04:36.24 | Jessa | how to install in my pc? |
| 04:36.31 | CrippsFX | that my second file has no Eof. is it possible to force it to burn anyways, or is there a way to fix this? |
| 04:36.33 | adexta | do you know much abou computers? |
| 04:36.35 | kelan | is this what they mean about sundays? |
| 04:36.41 | abrotman | !ig |
| 04:36.41 | dpkg | well, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 04:36.43 | jim | that's a big question because there are lots and lots of ways |
| 04:36.46 | CrippsFX | whoops ... lets try that again. |
| 04:36.48 | CrippsFX | I'm trying to burn a CD with multiple images using a *.cue file in cdrdao, and it's telling me that my second file has no Eof. is it possible to force it to burn anyways, or is there a way to fix this? |
| 04:36.50 | Jessa | xD |
| 04:36.55 | Jessa | too fast chat |
| 04:36.56 | Jessa | lolz |
| 04:36.59 | Jessa | i cant read |
| 04:37.00 | Jessa | xD |
| 04:37.11 | MobyTurbo | !tell Jessa -about enter |
| 04:37.14 | adexta | Jessa: i recommend suse or mandrake for a first-time distro |
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| 04:37.24 | Jessa | how? |
| 04:37.27 | Jessa | i dunno |
| 04:37.32 | Jessa | im novice |
| 04:37.34 | Jessa | xD |
| 04:37.36 | jim | stop hittn enter so much... you're doing the same thign you're complaning about! :P |
| 04:37.41 | abrotman | !tell jessa about enter |
| 04:37.57 | Jessa | xD |
| 04:37.59 | abrotman | jim: i have a feeling you're being trolled |
| 04:38.00 | kelan | you can probably order suse install cds from their website |
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| 04:38.14 | jim | abrotman: ahh, thanks |
| 04:38.17 | adexta | abrotman: i have a feeling too |
| 04:38.20 | Jessa | i want to change os |
| 04:38.22 | adexta | it's the "lolz" that kind of do it for me |
| 04:38.23 | kelan | i like the chameleon |
| 04:38.23 | Jessa | to debian |
| 04:38.24 | Jessa | can? |
| 04:38.45 | MobyTurbo | !enter |
| 04:38.45 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 04:38.48 | jim | Jessa: sure, you can do anything to your machine you want |
| 04:38.55 | kelan | debian should get a cute logo like a chameleon |
| 04:38.59 | Jessa | i dunno where to start |
| 04:39.04 | abrotman | !ig |
| 04:39.04 | dpkg | [ig] for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 04:39.14 | kelan | or! liger |
| 04:39.20 | jim | the best way to start is get a cheap or free pc |
| 04:39.25 | phaedral | em dash? em dash? what, a bunch of English majors here? ;) |
| 04:39.28 | kelan | yes, debian's mascot should be a liger |
| 04:40.18 | jim | or a tigger |
| 04:40.43 | abrotman | tion ? |
| 04:41.02 | kelan | ack, not a tion |
| 04:41.05 | jim | Jessa: you should put it on a separate machine with a blank hd |
| 04:41.09 | kelan | they smell like crap! |
| 04:41.37 | jim | you could probably get one free from some school or company unloading what they think is old crap |
| 04:41.44 | MobyTurbo | Jessa: I'd probably recommend you start with Ubuntu, then once you're familiar with Linux graduate to Debian. |
| 04:41.45 | phaedral | jim, i'd rec for Jessa: try bookstore, linux for dummies |
| 04:41.45 | kelan | what does 'ig' stand for? |
| 04:42.02 | Jessa | yay |
| 04:42.05 | jim | phaedral: that's a good idea too |
| 04:42.07 | Jessa | im new using this os |
| 04:42.10 | Jessa | im using windows |
| 04:42.13 | Jessa | xD |
| 04:42.21 | jim | more of those enters... |
| 04:42.26 | phaedral | ig = installation guide? |
| 04:42.30 | jim | oh |
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| 04:42.37 | phaedral | and the messages give web addresses |
| 04:42.38 | abrotman | phaedral: yes |
| 04:42.39 | MobyTurbo | Jessa: you've been told about 4 times not to flood the channel with excessive enters. |
| 04:42.47 | phaedral | so Jessa needn't clutter channel? |
| 04:42.48 | Jessa | ok |
| 04:42.49 | phaedral | hint hint? |
| 04:42.55 | Jessa | yay |
| 04:42.57 | jim | Jessa: ever wrote a program before? |
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| 04:43.04 | Jessa | better me to quite |
| 04:43.08 | jim | or a script, ok too |
| 04:43.11 | abrotman | quiet good |
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| 04:43.57 | jim | abrotman: I think you're right; he's trolling. I'm trying to help and he's totally nonresponsive |
| 04:44.07 | abrotman | jim: /whois Jessa |
| 04:44.36 | jim | trolling there too? |
| 04:44.42 | abrotman | dunno . i didn't look |
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| 04:45.52 | sean_micken | is there anway to boot from a floppy and do a net install without a CD? |
| 04:46.12 | abrotman | !bf |
| 04:46.12 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 04:46.15 | MobyTurbo | take a look at Jessa's user name. WHBT from a bot |
| 04:46.19 | jim | ok, that's not so damning or whatever... he's trying to find stuff out... then again, significant fraction of ##linux don't like debian and recommend against it |
| 04:46.33 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: i'm not sure it's a bot .. but pretty damn sure a troll |
| 04:47.10 | jim | sean_micken: absolutely... and it's one of the better ways of going about it (better, that is, than downloading a cd image) |
| 04:47.34 | sean_micken | jim, for sarge even? |
| 04:47.45 | jim | especially for sarge. |
| 04:47.54 | abrotman | sean_micken: there is a different locale for sarge bf |
| 04:47.56 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 04:47.59 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 04:48.03 | jim | use debian-installer (big improvement over bf) |
| 04:48.04 | abrotman | it' son the d-i site |
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| 04:48.49 | jim | abrotman: is d-i not ready? note, I completed about 2 installs with d-i |
| 04:48.52 | Temp[Away] | any of you guys ever installed AIM on a Debian installation? |
| 04:49.06 | jim | Temp[Away]: well, gaim |
| 04:49.07 | abrotman | jim: no . it's there .. i just don't have the link |
| 04:49.12 | abrotman | !listkeys bf |
| 04:49.14 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bf' by key (15 of 39): benbf1nn ;; bf ;; bf2.4.20 ;; bfe ;; bfinn ;; bobfont ;; dbf2msql ;; dbf2mysql ;; dbf2pg ;; debflakes ;; dumbfuck ;; likely libfreetype6 fix ;; mtbf ;; subfs ;; tbf. |
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| 04:49.18 | abrotman | well .. that sucks :) |
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| 04:49.36 | Temp[Away] | jim: is there a step-by-step process on the net for how to do it? i must be doing something wrong. |
| 04:49.45 | jim | but why are you suggesting bf over d-i? |
| 04:49.52 | jim | yes... |
| 04:50.01 | abrotman | jim: i think your troll left .. but if he comes back .. and starts doing that again .. maybe !op ? |
| 04:50.03 | jim | step 1: apt-get install gaim |
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| 04:50.37 | abrotman | yay |
| 04:50.40 | jim | he's left ##linux |
| 04:50.53 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 04:50.56 | abrotman | or got kicked |
| 04:51.06 | jim | not watching there; dunno :) |
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| 04:51.26 | Temp[Away] | that didn't work jim |
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| 04:51.38 | epsilon | oh, goo'old woody went r5? |
| 04:51.39 | abrotman | !eat StealHome |
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| 04:51.44 | jim | Temp[Away]: didn't?! but... why? |
| 04:51.46 | abrotman | epsilon: huh? |
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| 04:52.15 | jim | pus stains??!!? |
| 04:52.29 | jim | what are you talkin bout, willis? |
| 04:52.30 | stainlesssteel | supposed to be stainless |
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| 04:52.35 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:52.41 | stainlesssteel | hey! |
| 04:52.45 | stainlesssteel | Karstem |
| 04:52.48 | stainlesssteel | ! |
| 04:52.49 | jim | hey's for horses |
| 04:52.55 | stainlesssteel | you *do* live |
| 04:52.59 | Temp[Away] | jim: it says "Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: gaim" and it lists a whole bunch of stuff. Then finally E: Sorry, broken packages. |
| 04:52.59 | epsilon | !eat 3.0r4 |
| 04:53.03 | King_Brad | what is the command to restart services? |
| 04:53.04 | abrotman | oh no .. karsten and stainlesssteel are going to conspire |
| 04:53.07 | King_Brad | or a service... |
| 04:53.43 | jim | Temp[Away]: ok, so you seem to have (temporrarily) a broken package system |
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| 04:54.10 | Temp[Away] | jim: Alright, so to fix that I gotta do what? |
| 04:54.14 | jim | King_Brad: look in /etc/init.d |
| 04:54.16 | abrotman | join the club |
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| 04:54.26 | jim | Temp[Away]: apt-get -f install |
| 04:54.27 | jim | try that |
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| 04:54.55 | jim | King_Brad, those are the names of the startable services |
| 04:55.09 | jim | well most of them in ther |
| 04:55.12 | King_Brad | it is started from xinetd, will it still be there? |
| 04:55.17 | Temp[Away] | okay well i got a lot of output |
| 04:55.25 | jim | oh, from xinetd? |
| 04:55.29 | jim | that's different |
| 04:55.36 | jim | what are you trying to do? |
| 04:55.49 | King_Brad | restart proftpd |
| 04:55.50 | Temp[Away] | i got a lot of warnings, jim |
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| 04:56.11 | jim | Temp[Away]: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 04:56.13 | jim | try that |
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| 04:56.29 | isga | hi |
| 04:56.33 | jim | lo |
| 04:56.42 | King_Brad | jim i am trying to restart proftpd |
| 04:56.49 | jim | yeah, I know... I like to argue :) |
| 04:57.04 | Temp[Away] | jim: Okay, it crunched for a minute and now i have a prompt again. |
| 04:57.07 | jim | King_Brad: try /etc/init.d/proftpd stop |
| 04:57.09 | dabreegs1er | King_Brad: /etc/init.d/proftpd restart? |
| 04:57.18 | jim | Temp[Away]: didn't do anything? |
| 04:57.20 | isga | c++filt <defunct> what does that mean? |
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| 04:57.27 | Temp[Away] | jim: no output anyway |
| 04:57.34 | isga | pastet from ps -A |
| 04:57.36 | King_Brad | no |
| 04:57.48 | King_Brad | it just tells me its started from inetd/xinetd |
| 04:57.52 | liable | King_Brad: /etc/init.d/xinted restart |
| 04:58.02 | jim | Temp[Away]: ok, try the first one again (you should get less output) |
| 04:58.08 | liable | King_Brad: or /usr/bin/proftpd |
| 04:58.22 | epsilon | King_Brad: proftpd is more slim if you run it standalone |
| 04:58.40 | King_Brad | iable no such file or dir |
| 04:58.42 | jim | King_Brad: ok, do you see any proftpd going? |
| 04:58.46 | King_Brad | jim, i tried both commands |
| 04:58.52 | King_Brad | jim, i know the PID yes |
| 04:58.55 | King_Brad | its running |
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| 04:59.04 | jim | hmm, someone connected? |
| 04:59.15 | King_Brad | nope |
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| 04:59.18 | epsilon | ftpwho / ftptop |
| 04:59.20 | Temp[Away] | jim: Doesn't look like it |
| 04:59.38 | jim | Temp[Away]: did it do less? or same? |
| 04:59.40 | King_Brad | no users according to ftpwho |
| 04:59.41 | isga | How can i kill Zombies? |
| 04:59.53 | jim | isga: ask buffy! |
| 04:59.53 | epsilon | King_Brad: you run standalone? |
| 04:59.59 | phaedral | isga: keep them away from your brains |
| 05:00.03 | dabreegs1er | isga: kill the parent or get it to reap 'em |
| 05:00.04 | King_Brad | epsilon no xinetd |
| 05:00.06 | Temp[Away] | jim: There's so many i cant be totally sure but it looks like the same |
| 05:00.07 | jim | zombies are hard to kill |
| 05:00.19 | epsilon | reboot :P |
| 05:00.26 | jim | Temp[Away]: try installing gaim again |
| 05:00.26 | dabreegs1er | isga: when the child dies, the parent gets a CHLD signal. it should do something with it |
| 05:00.27 | King_Brad | is that the only way? |
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| 05:00.57 | jim | are you getting "file not found" errors? |
| 05:01.00 | Temp[Away] | Jim: same error as before |
| 05:01.08 | jim | try this... |
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| 05:01.12 | jim | apt-get update |
| 05:01.28 | jim | what version of debian you running? |
| 05:01.39 | badblody | how can i know the functions that provides a library ? |
| 05:01.41 | Temp[Away] | woody |
| 05:01.41 | liable | King_Brad: /etc/init.d/xinted restart didnt work? |
| 05:01.41 | isga | dabreegsler: but who is parent prozess from c++filt <defunct> and addr2line <defunct> |
| 05:01.54 | Temp[Away] | im downloading updates now, jim |
| 05:01.57 | jim | Temp[Away]: want to upgrade to the latest woody? |
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| 05:02.21 | Temp[Away] | jim: i would assume this is it. the CDs were downloaded a few weeks ago. |
| 05:02.22 | kelan | badblody: read the documentation |
| 05:02.41 | jim | ohh, are your apt sources pointing at your CDs? |
| 05:03.02 | Temp[Away] | hmm, i think so |
| 05:03.30 | jim | Temp[Away]: ok, let's fix that part... and I'm given to understand a point release has become available recently |
| 05:03.48 | Temp[Away] | okay |
| 05:03.59 | jim | did apt-get download anything from the net? |
| 05:04.11 | Temp[Away] | a package or two, yes |
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| 05:04.44 | epsilon | apt-get update should update only packagelist, but no download of packages at all |
| 05:04.47 | jim | ok... could you put up http://rafb.net/paste |
| 05:05.04 | jim | and paste your sources.list there? |
| 05:05.39 | Temp[Away] | where's sources.list? |
| 05:05.42 | epsilon | /etc/apt/sources.list to be exactly |
| 05:05.50 | Temp[Away] | kk |
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| 05:05.55 | jim | yeah that place :L) |
| 05:06.25 | epsilon | you can search for files with updatedb (update) and locate (find file) |
| 05:07.18 | phaedral | epsilon: i finally have started using find instead of locate; makes me feel like a power user ;) |
| 05:07.26 | phaedral | not that you were speaking to me... |
| 05:07.33 | epsilon | but i'd be faster if you read apt-get howto stuff on web... |
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| 05:08.05 | epsilon | phaedral: I use both... depends where and what I search |
| 05:08.27 | chealer | find isn't an upgrade from locate |
| 05:08.36 | phaedral | epsilon: sure, but that's only because you know the relative merits; for a long time it was all locate 'cause it was all i knew |
| 05:08.37 | Temp[Away] | jim: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VmFxKk88.html |
| 05:08.37 | epsilon | run find on root with mounted nfs trees from external servers are pain in the ass |
| 05:09.13 | jim | phaedral: did greenspun bring his doggy to caltech with him? |
| 05:09.25 | phaedral | jim: no such luck |
| 05:09.58 | jim | Temp[Away]: ok, so you have the cdrom sources and you also have some net sources... but it looks like you're going to sarge? |
| 05:10.21 | Temp[Away] | apparantly, not sure why though |
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| 05:10.39 | Temp[Away] | it's definitely a woody install |
| 05:10.54 | jim | no interest in upgrading it to sarge? |
| 05:10.56 | epsilon | Temp[Away]: you have sarge sources in sources.list |
| 05:11.21 | jim | if you've used apt-get recently... |
| 05:11.25 | Temp[Away] | jim: Not really. I doubt I can anyway. A) I just barely got woody to run and B) my machine is about 10 years old. |
| 05:11.35 | jim | that could explain why things are a little borked |
| 05:12.07 | jim | 10 years old? heh, so what, a 486? |
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| 05:12.17 | epsilon | better go entirely sarge, if some packages are already upgraded... |
| 05:12.21 | Temp[Away] | original pentium, 110 Mhz |
| 05:12.29 | jim | how much ram? |
| 05:12.34 | epsilon | so what? I run sarge on 300MHz box |
| 05:12.36 | Temp[Away] | 48 megs |
| 05:12.43 | Temp[Away] | 1.49 gig HD |
| 05:12.47 | Temp[Away] | that's the limitation |
| 05:12.50 | Temp[Away] | well |
| 05:12.53 | Temp[Away] | the biggest limitation |
| 05:13.01 | jim | your ram is kinda small |
| 05:13.17 | Temp[Away] | nothing i can do, it's maxed for that machine |
| 05:13.22 | jim | but not blatently so |
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| 05:14.13 | epsilon | stay at kernel 2.4 and it'll run |
| 05:14.30 | jim | or stay with the kernel you have now |
| 05:15.12 | Temp[Away] | i like things the way they are, i just want to install gaim :P |
| 05:15.39 | jim | then we should change the sarge sources to woody sources |
| 05:15.51 | jim | or, alternatively, you could just build gaim |
| 05:15.55 | Temp[Away] | righteo |
| 05:16.11 | jim | ok... |
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| 05:16.53 | jim | so edit your /etc/apt/sources.list; the lines to change are 13 - end |
| 05:17.11 | jim | whereever sarge is mentioned, |
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| 05:17.19 | jim | replace with "woody" |
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| 05:17.43 | epsilon | and should attach "contrib non-free" in each line if needed |
| 05:17.50 | jim | save the file, exit, apt-get updat |
| 05:17.52 | jim | e |
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| 05:18.08 | jim | err apt-get update |
| 05:18.33 | jim | yeah, that too, if you want non-free stuff |
| 05:18.42 | phaedral | g'night all; thanks for all the fish |
| 05:18.44 | Temp[Away] | do i? |
| 05:19.04 | jim | it looks like you chose no before |
| 05:19.09 | Temp[Away] | yea i did |
| 05:19.14 | epsilon | he has already contrib non-free in the line security.debian.org |
| 05:19.26 | epsilon | so the rest should too |
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| 05:20.23 | epsilon | and you commented out the first cd-source lines? |
| 05:20.42 | Temp[Away] | i should comment out all the cdrom lines? |
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| 05:21.07 | epsilon | if you plan to install stuff via internet, you don't need cd sources |
| 05:21.21 | Temp[Away] | right, so commenting out lines 1-12 |
| 05:21.24 | jim | I suppose :) but if no non-free package were to be installed, then security.d.o wouldn't be asked for non-free stuff... |
| 05:21.39 | epsilon | you don't need to comment out empty lines |
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| 05:21.47 | kingsley | What's a reliable color printer? |
| 05:22.00 | furrywolf | kingsley: anything that costs over $1000 |
| 05:22.02 | Temp[Away] | well you get my drift :P |
| 05:22.10 | Temp[Away] | okay that's done |
| 05:22.12 | epsilon | inc or laser? |
| 05:22.21 | jim | kingsley: the most fun part of a reliable color printer has got to be color! |
| 05:22.22 | Framus\ | i was wondering if anyone could give me some help stealthing, or closing some of my ports that were detected on grc.com |
| 05:22.23 | Temp[Away] | now run apt-get update? |
| 05:22.24 | King_Brad | how can i search for the latest kernel useing apt-get? |
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| 05:23.05 | furrywolf | then again, except for clogging when you let them sit with no ink, all my epsons (two stylus 900s, photo 750, stylus 1520, one other I can't remember) have been quite reliable... and except for the bad clutch on the 1520, NEVER a paper feed problem. unlike anything HP has ever made... |
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| 05:23.14 | chealer | King_Brad: sarge? |
| 05:23.22 | epsilon | kingsley: and check out linuxprinting.org |
| 05:23.23 | King_Brad | chealer yes |
| 05:23.56 | Temp[Away] | jim: I'm done editing the file. now i need to run apt-get update? |
| 05:24.03 | chealer | King_Brad: apt-cache showpkg kernel-image-2.6 |
| 05:24.16 | King_Brad | thx |
| 05:24.52 | King_Brad | can i do apt-cache search kernel-module? |
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| 05:25.08 | King_Brad | cause i wanna apt-get install the newest kernel, but i need to know all the needed file names and such |
| 05:25.09 | epsilon | King_Brad: you can *search* for anything you want |
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| 05:25.48 | FieldySnuts | @dachs sussudio |
| 05:25.53 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 05:25.54 | ravenbird | what's up |
| 05:25.55 | epsilon | .oO (search for "anything"? search for "everything"?) |
| 05:25.57 | FieldySnuts | grr |
| 05:26.07 | FieldySnuts | apt: dachs sussudio |
| 05:26.14 | FieldySnuts | feh. ok g'nite! |
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| 05:26.30 | chealer | ravenbird: you're just a blootbot |
| 05:26.31 | ravenbird | i haven't a clue, chealer |
| 05:26.49 | rixth | How can I setup dual screens (using my 21" tv). I would like to have a resolution of 1024*768 on the monitor and 800*600 on the TV. How would I do my XF8*Config-4 file? |
| 05:27.47 | peery | I just installed debian, configured the ssh and turned on X11 forwarding. WHen I try to connect I get an error that the request of X11 forwarding was denied... help anyone? I'm at a complete loss |
| 05:28.00 | FieldySnuts | restart sshd after reconfiguring it |
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| 05:28.25 | peery | did that and even tried a reboot |
| 05:28.45 | epsilon | exact eror message? |
| 05:28.53 | epsilon | +r |
| 05:29.41 | peery | The X11 forwarding request was rejected. To solve this problem please turn on the X11 forwarding on the remote ssh server |
| 05:29.48 | peery | which is on and restarted |
| 05:30.53 | King_Brad | i am runing a k6 kernel now, should i use the newest k7 kernel or 686? |
| 05:31.05 | epsilon | X11Forwarding and X11DisplayOffset are set? |
| 05:31.23 | chealer | King_Brad: you compiled your kernel? |
| 05:31.28 | King_Brad | no |
| 05:31.34 | King_Brad | it was done during install |
| 05:32.19 | peery | X11Forwarding is set to true and hte X11DisplayOffset to 10 (I also tried to comment out that latter since I'm not sure what it does, didn't help) |
| 05:32.26 | chealer | ok, it depends on your CPU anyway |
| 05:32.37 | King_Brad | its an amd k6 300 |
| 05:32.44 | epsilon | peery: the number of display |
| 05:32.55 | chealer | King_Brad: then don't use a k7 kernel |
| 05:33.04 | King_Brad | ok |
| 05:33.07 | King_Brad | so 686? |
| 05:33.09 | epsilon | peery: something in sshd's log file? |
| 05:33.18 | peery | where is that located in debian |
| 05:33.24 | chealer | King_Brad: check the package description if unsure |
| 05:33.25 | peery | I tried to find it with no luck |
| 05:33.32 | epsilon | usually somewhere in /var/log |
| 05:33.34 | peery | I know it's somewhere obvious |
| 05:33.40 | King_Brad | arg |
| 05:34.05 | peery | don't seem to have a log file |
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| 05:36.21 | sean_micken | is an AMD K7 an amd athlon xp? |
| 05:36.27 | stew | peery: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 05:36.47 | King_Brad | okay, why cant i find the kernel headers for 2.8-10? |
| 05:36.57 | King_Brad | 2.6.8-10 i mean |
| 05:37.07 | Temp[Away] | okay, GAIM is installed on my linux box. how do i run it now? |
| 05:37.31 | chealer | King_Brad: too old kernel. get 2.6.8-2 |
| 05:37.50 | King_Brad | 2.6.8-10 is older than 2.6.8-2? |
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| 05:38.36 | Overand | yeah what? |
| 05:38.41 | chealer | King_Brad: indeed :) apt-cache search 2.6.8 should help you understand |
| 05:38.42 | stew | King_Brad: http://pacakges.debian.org/kernel-headers-2.6.8-10 |
| 05:39.02 | Overand | is that the version in sid? |
| 05:39.10 | stew | King_Brad: err packages... |
| 05:39.13 | sean_micken | what kernel arch should i install for an amd althon xp? |
| 05:39.20 | chealer | !k7 |
| 05:39.20 | dpkg | it has been said that k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 05:39.22 | stew | sean_micken: -k7 |
| 05:39.56 | dondelelcaro | w |
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| 05:41.03 | King_Brad | okay |
| 05:41.17 | King_Brad | hostap-modules-2.6.8-2-386 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 is all i need correct? |
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| 05:48.16 | Kerr | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Rachel,NV&ll=37.240391,-115.814095&spn=0.051670,0.074329&t=k&hl=en |
| 05:48.21 | Kerr | area 51 O.o |
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| 05:53.17 | themolester | what kind of disk label is set during testing netinst |
| 05:53.36 | themolester | and how do you set one for a second drive |
| 05:53.55 | themolester | i looked through fdisk and cfdisk and cant find it |
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| 05:55.31 | scorpix | is there a repository for apache 2.1.4? |
| 05:56.09 | Segers_J | themolester: do you mean partition type, I think it's 83 for ext2/3 cfdisk has the full list tho' |
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| 05:56.38 | themolester | no, i mean the label, like in fstab you set LABEL=/ for root |
| 05:56.50 | MobyTurbo | themolester: Debian doesn't use labels |
| 05:57.04 | themolester | MobyTurbo have you used the sarge netinst? |
| 05:57.07 | themolester | i JUSt insalled |
| 05:57.13 | MobyTurbo | themolester: yes, RC3 |
| 05:57.18 | Segers_J | themolester: oh, I believe fstab is where you set that |
| 05:57.49 | themolester | oh i guess they dont use it by default in fstab |
| 05:57.57 | Segers_J | s/is/_is_/ |
| 05:57.57 | themolester | but it deffinately sets it, it ask me during install |
| 05:58.20 | MobyTurbo | themolester: it asks you for mountpoints, which is something different than labels |
| 05:58.38 | themolester | hold on, maybe i can find a screenshot, but it asks for mountpoint, and label |
| 05:58.45 | themolester | it just doesn't use the label by default |
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| 06:00.54 | sean_micken | is the radeon 7200 supported on debian? |
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| 06:01.19 | furrywolf | themolestor: I think you just need to put LABEL=whatever instead of the device name |
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| 06:02.28 | themolester | furrywolf i know how to do it in fstab, im wondering how to set it on a existing partition |
| 06:02.40 | themolester | i added a hdd after install |
| 06:02.49 | furrywolf | tune2fs -L |
| 06:02.57 | themolester | thank you |
| 06:03.09 | __michael | That'll do it for ext2/ext3 if I recall correctly. |
| 06:03.28 | furrywolf | if you're using something other than ext2/3, then I don't know. :) |
| 06:03.29 | Segers_J | furrywolf: what is the benefit of having labled partitions? |
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| 06:03.55 | furrywolf | segers: you can mess with how the drives are electrically arranged without needing to change fstab |
| 06:04.03 | furrywolf | i.e. move between controllers, etc. |
| 06:04.12 | Segers_J | oh, cool. |
| 06:04.22 | __michael | With labeled partitions, and mounts by label, if the device changes, in most cases the mount will still succeed without needing to alter /etc/fstab. |
| 06:04.23 | furrywolf | since it looks them up by name rather than by where they're connected |
| 06:04.33 | themolester | ya, i rarely move em around, but i dont feel like modifying stuff |
| 06:05.59 | akhayyat | guys.. what's wrong with sarge iso weekly snapshots????? |
| 06:06.33 | akhayyat | why aren't they available anymore??? |
| 06:06.54 | furrywolf | what's wrong with your "?" key? it seems to be sticking... |
| 06:07.12 | sean_micken | could someone help with making the radeon 7200 vid card working in X? |
| 06:07.24 | furrywolf | sean: driver "radeon" |
| 06:07.35 | sean_micken | furrywolf, built in? |
| 06:07.40 | akhayyat | furrywolf, that's how much i'm dieing for an answer.. |
| 06:07.43 | furrywolf | should be |
| 06:08.27 | __michael | If you're dealing with drives/LUNs where they may potentially be accessed (at hardware level) from various hosts, you may want to use UUID, rather than LABEL. |
| 06:08.41 | themolester | MobyTurbo you still there? |
| 06:08.53 | themolester | i just stumbled on a way to test if there is a label on your drve |
| 06:08.55 | sean_micken | furrywolf, i don't see it in this list (configing X) |
| 06:09.01 | __michael | UUID isn't so friendly to read, ... but it is more unique :-) |
| 06:09.19 | themolester | if you installed with sarge netinst... you can type e2label /dev/hda (or whatever |
| 06:09.25 | themolester | and it will output the label |
| 06:09.38 | furrywolf | sean: dunno. I always configure X by hand. |
| 06:09.53 | sean_micken | furrywolf, and you never had to install anything else for your radeon driver to work? |
| 06:09.57 | sean_micken | furrywolf, using sarge.. |
| 06:09.58 | themolester | furrywolf also... i noticed it has an optional 2nd arg to set the label too |
| 06:10.00 | themolester | fyi |
| 06:10.30 | furrywolf | sean: I set a radeon up on someone else's box... was using current debian testing. |
| 06:10.34 | akhayyat | furrywolf, does 3d accel. work for your radeon? |
| 06:10.59 | furrywolf | wasn't mine. no, I don't think it worked. but it wasn't my problem. :) |
| 06:11.15 | themolester | i had to install ati's official drivers, to use the multimonitor/dvi output on my friends 9500 |
| 06:11.21 | themolester | akhayyat ^ |
| 06:11.40 | furrywolf | http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/radeon.4.html <== google is your friend |
| 06:11.54 | themolester | which you have to build from source/partialsource |
| 06:12.00 | furrywolf | radeon is a XFree86 driver for ATI RADEON based video cards. It contains full support for 8, 15, 16 and 24 bit pixel depths, dual-head setup, flat panel, hardware 2D acceleration, hardware 3D acceleration (except R300 cards), hardware cursor, XV extension, Xinerama extension. |
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| 06:12.57 | furrywolf | hers was an R300-based card, which explains the lack of 3d... but for yours, should have 3d acceleration. |
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| 06:13.21 | akhayyat | i just wonder why the sarge weekly snapshot freezed at 23 Mar. iso, jigdo.. everything |
| 06:14.10 | akhayyat | no one replied in debian-cd list, who should know about this? |
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| 06:15.04 | furrywolf | bbl, time for this wolf to get some sleep. |
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| 06:15.39 | Segers_J | sleep, good idea, night all. |
| 06:15.44 | furrywolf | cyas |
| 06:15.52 | trentbuck | I'm compiling a kernel for my Mac Mini G4. How can I tell what "processor type" it is? |
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| 06:16.06 | furrywolf | trent: #debianppc |
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| 06:16.11 | Segers_J | trentbuck: uh, g4 |
| 06:16.12 | stouset | trentbuck: powerpc |
| 06:16.15 | trentbuck | furrywolf: much obliged. |
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| 06:22.47 | __michael | If you're got LINUX booted and running and proc filesystem mounted, you can look at /proc/cpuinfo, for starters. |
| 06:24.27 | aum | hi - how do i set up dvorak keyboard mapping (in console and X)? |
| 06:24.44 | themolester | by buying a proper keyboard :-x |
| 06:25.08 | themolester | im just messin with ya, im sure somone knows though |
| 06:25.09 | themolester | heh |
| 06:25.26 | stew | aum: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 06:25.38 | aum | thx |
| 06:25.42 | sean_micken | GLcore and glx are nvidia specific in xfree, right? |
| 06:26.03 | hoe | aum: console `dpkg-reconfigure console-data` x:`dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` |
| 06:26.10 | stew | aum: in x: setxkbmap dvorak |
| 06:26.11 | mwilson | sean_micken: They are? |
| 06:26.19 | sean_micken | mwilson, are they? |
| 06:26.27 | stew | they are not |
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| 06:28.24 | sean_micken | hmm.. how do i see the exact version of a package that could be installed? |
| 06:28.37 | sean_micken | apt-cache search pkgname doesn't show the version. |
| 06:28.48 | d03boy | whats the command to view hardware devices? |
| 06:29.05 | mwilson | d03boy: There is one? |
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| 06:29.09 | Overand | d03boy: lspci is one |
| 06:29.14 | d03boy | yes, lspci |
| 06:29.16 | Overand | lsusb |
| 06:29.17 | Overand | etc. |
| 06:29.27 | Overand | also, dig around in /proc for kicks |
| 06:29.33 | drijen | hello |
| 06:29.34 | Overand | LOTS of great info in /proc |
| 06:29.47 | inu | sean_micken, it does, but you can also apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 06:29.53 | stew | sean_micken: apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 06:30.02 | d03boy | 0000:02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4309 802.11a/b/g (rev 02) <--- this is all I needed :) |
| 06:30.12 | drijen | is anyone here from turkey or have knowledge of turkish |
| 06:30.13 | drijen | ? |
| 06:30.16 | drijen | i need some help |
| 06:30.28 | d03boy | drijen, I eat it on thanksgiving? |
| 06:30.29 | stew | !tr |
| 06:30.34 | Overand | hm |
| 06:30.37 | drijen | d03boy, cute |
| 06:30.38 | dpkg | trke yardm iin #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr |
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| 06:30.51 | drijen | dpkg, i don't need help for debian |
| 06:31.09 | drijen | dpkg, just need someone that understands the language |
| 06:31.10 | d03boy | this is a debian channel |
| 06:31.23 | Overand | yeah, if you don't need debian help, try /part |
| 06:31.32 | d03boy | you're looking for a translator in #debian? lol |
| 06:31.37 | stew | drijen: well debian.tr is a channel where you are guaranteed to find turkish speakers |
| 06:31.45 | drijen | linux is the world over |
| 06:31.47 | drijen | :) |
| 06:31.58 | drijen | and for debian help i usuall hit #mepis |
| 06:32.07 | Overand | it's true, #debian is a good place to find someone who knows ____ just because of the sheer mass |
| 06:32.12 | drijen | stew, dpkg, thank you very much |
| 06:32.16 | drijen | Overand, ny thoughts too |
| 06:32.18 | Overand | why would you go to #mepis for ... |
| 06:32.20 | Overand | nevermind |
| 06:32.24 | Overand | not touching that with a 10 foot pole |
| 06:32.31 | Overand | or a ten foot turk |
| 06:32.33 | drijen | Overand, friendlier people |
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| 06:32.41 | drijen | #debian has a rep |
| 06:32.45 | Overand | buh dum bum - tch |
| 06:32.49 | Overand | actually i've been quite happy with it |
| 06:32.50 | drijen | btw, is phated around? |
| 06:33.08 | drijen | guess not |
| 06:33.09 | drijen | take care all |
| 06:33.14 | drijen | thank you again |
| 06:33.22 | Overand | it seems phated is here but not apparently awake... |
| 06:33.43 | themolester | is there any way to make two filesystem paths appear to be one in a 3rd path |
| 06:33.55 | themolester | similar to JBOD but at a higher level |
| 06:34.06 | stew | themolester: what does that mean? |
| 06:34.22 | themolester | like, instead of doing JBOD at bit level |
| 06:34.29 | themolester | i want to do JBOD at filesystem level |
| 06:35.36 | Thanatermesis | what are the name of the transparents effect for xorg server ? |
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| 06:36.08 | themolester | if you do JBOD at bit level (fake raid) then if one drive fails, you lose one drive worth of data, which may or may not leave anything complete, if it was just a logical layer ontop of the filesystem, every directory on the good drive would be perfect |
| 06:36.12 | Overand | man, i hope development on Audacity keeps going, linux really needs a professional audio editor as good as CEP/'Adobe Audition' |
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| 06:36.30 | __michael | "How about LVM? |
| 06:36.50 | themolester | i've heared of lvm, but doesn't that work at bit level? |
| 06:37.20 | themolester | it reads/writes from /dev/hdx and creates /mnt/lvm-jbod, right? |
| 06:37.37 | __michael | LVM works at PV and PE level, ... PV is a "Physical Volume" ... that might be an actual disk, a LUN, or it could also be a partition. |
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| 06:37.54 | themolester | i want something to read from /mnt/driveX and mount to /mnt/fake-jbod |
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| 06:38.13 | themolester | which might that be? and ill go research |
| 06:38.15 | Overand | themolester: is this just for 'drive-safety' ? |
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| 06:38.33 | Overand | or are you trying to, for example, chain several gmailfs mounts together? |
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| 06:38.50 | Overand | heh, 'raid stripe' of gmailfs mounts. |
| 06:39.06 | themolester | well its not for drive safety, or i'd be considering raid 0 |
| 06:39.16 | themolester | jbod has no safety as you likely know |
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| 06:39.49 | themolester | but if i jbod it for efficiency, then the stuff on drive 1i dont want to lose parts of, when drive 2 dis |
| 06:40.28 | Overand | it seems a lot like russian roulette |
| 06:40.29 | __michael | With LVM, you can take disk/LUNs/Partitions, e.g. /dev/[hs]d*, group them into volume group(s), and from the volume groups, create volumes (e.g. /dev/vg00/lvol1 or whatever you want to call them) ... you can do things like move the volumes about, or grow (or shrink) them while they're in use ... of course if you shrink them, you want to shrink the filesystem on them first, or otherwise not need the data that will be lost from the volume. |
| 06:40.36 | Overand | if you care about keeping data, jbod is not the way to do it |
| 06:41.31 | themolester | i want to be able to access the data directly from /dev/hdX and at same time from the lvm, or whatever else might be |
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| 06:42.14 | themolester | hell, what i want may not even exist |
| 06:42.26 | themolester | i just want to give a shot at finding it |
| 06:42.26 | d0s4gw | what is that |
| 06:42.27 | themolester | heh |
| 06:42.44 | themolester | (02:39am) (themolester) i want to be able to access the data directly from /dev/hdX and at same time from the lvm, or whatever else might be |
| 06:42.46 | Overand | you just want a 'virtual filesystem' |
| 06:42.50 | __michael | "Hmmmmm, ... sounds like you want to things a bit different. There are bind mounts (mount(8) --bind ...), ... and loopback mounts. |
| 06:42.52 | themolester | Overand yes, basicly |
| 06:42.55 | Overand | you want a filesystem on top of multiple filesystems |
| 06:42.56 | Overand | yeah |
| 06:43.05 | Overand | a loopback mount might be able to span several drives |
| 06:43.12 | Overand | *might* |
| 06:43.19 | omry | when I do a dist-upgrade (sarge) I get this: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 20916 package `kde' |
| 06:43.20 | d0s4gw | whats a good channel for drunk people |
| 06:43.29 | Overand | d0s4gw: anything on EFNet |
| 06:43.37 | themolester | i want to write to the hdX and read from this virtual fs |
| 06:43.45 | themolester | so that i know exactly whats on each drive |
| 06:43.50 | Overand | hmm |
| 06:44.37 | themolester | or raher, i will be writing to the ext3fs's on them after being mounted (the virtual fs sources |
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| 06:45.08 | __michael | "With LVM, you can use vgdisplay --verbose to see what volume(s) are on what PV(s). |
| 06:45.49 | themolester | __michael lets say hda has directory foo with 200 files and hdb has bar with 200 files |
| 06:46.07 | themolester | if hdb dies, i dont want a SINGLE file from foo to be lost |
| 06:46.29 | themolester | so i would be writing to the real fs either way |
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| 06:46.50 | themolester | i just hope i can find a virtual filesystem layer that can read from all of em, and show it as a single fs |
| 06:47.21 | __michael | "If you want to not lose data if a drive fails, you need some type of redundancy - e.g. RAID-1 or RAID-5, ... can be done in software, or hardware. |
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| 06:47.26 | terr | I found some bugs in apt-get upgrade in Sarge and filed a bug report. The bots sent a msg back saying I didn't identify the package but I did - and what the fix is too - are they going to get it anyways or did the damn bot just bounce it. |
| 06:47.37 | themolester | __michael no... if hdb dies... then all of bar is lost |
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| 06:47.39 | themolester | but not foo |
| 06:47.45 | themolester | cause foo was on hda |
| 06:48.02 | themolester | likewise if hda was to die, bar would be gone, but nothing on foo |
| 06:48.19 | linux_dude | what is road warroir vpn |
| 06:48.23 | themolester | ie, just like standard single partitions |
| 06:49.13 | __michael | And what, if anything, with ordinary mounts, would not meet the criteria you're trying to satisfy? |
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| 06:49.29 | themolester | hold on, ill make a short diagram on pastebin |
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| 06:50.56 | themolester | http://www.pastebin.com/272300 |
| 06:51.05 | themolester | ignore the php tags |
| 06:51.09 | themolester | it added them auto |
| 06:51.32 | themolester | the #s are fake shell prompts |
| 06:52.01 | themolester | damn, i missed the # on the 3rd ls -b |
| 06:52.01 | themolester | heh |
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| 06:52.19 | themolester | does that make more sense? |
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| 06:53.44 | themolester | Overand __michael |
| 06:53.45 | __michael | "Sounds like a mount --bind would do it. |
| 06:53.56 | themolester | this is a small scale exampe |
| 06:53.59 | themolester | example |
| 06:54.10 | themolester | theres gonna be 20-30 + folders in each |
| 06:54.22 | themolester | and i want them to be available as one directory listing |
| 06:54.31 | Overand | ew |
| 06:54.46 | Overand | and how do you plan to handle collisions? |
| 06:54.54 | __michael | E.g. # mount --bind /mnt/drive1/foo /mnt/virtualfs/foo |
| 06:55.00 | Overand | if they're individually writeable drives with functional filesystems |
| 06:55.10 | d03boy | is ndiswrapper stable yet for sarge? |
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| 06:55.28 | themolester | well i wont be making duplicates, however, if there was protection against it i wouldn't mind |
| 06:55.58 | themolester | __michael yes, and i should do that 50 times? |
| 06:56.07 | themolester | doesn't sound fun |
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| 06:56.31 | __michael | # cd /mnt/drive1; for tmp in *; do ... |
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| 06:56.48 | themolester | hrmm |
| 06:56.51 | themolester | thats an idea |
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| 06:57.11 | themolester | adding a rm -rf to front of it to clear stale entries |
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| 06:57.14 | d03boy | is there a reason why ndiswrapper doesnt show up for apt-get but ndiswrapper-source does? |
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| 06:57.31 | themolester | however... that will make df listing VERY long |
| 06:57.53 | themolester | i'll consider this a last choice |
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| 06:58.23 | themolester | theres no other method you know of that would do this? |
| 06:58.54 | __michael | You could do symbolic links, ... if that would suffice, ... not everything follows symbolic links, so there might be some (minor?) drawbacks. |
| 06:59.14 | eps | which package do we get to add java to mozilla? I cannot work out which one it is from apt-cache search, if there is one? |
| 06:59.19 | themolester | yes, i was just thinking about how i could do that |
| 07:00.02 | themolester | i intend on reading this directory via a samba share... will that be possible, with symbolic links if the source mounts are not in the share? |
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| 07:00.19 | themolester | assuming user has permissions |
| 07:00.27 | pingouin_ | hey i got a stupîd problem, i've destroy my /cdrom2 created during the installation of debian, how can i re-recrate it linked to the right hdx ? |
| 07:01.14 | __michael | With samba --bind mounts would work, ... not sure about symbolic links - so far I've done almost nothing with samba. |
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| 07:01.42 | themolester | pingouin_ ln -s /media/cdrom2 /cdrom2 |
| 07:01.44 | __michael | It would certainly be easy enough to test, though. |
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| 07:02.07 | themolester | __michael i will do that as soon as i finish moving data around, and configuring samba |
| 07:02.13 | themolester | any more ideas to put on the list? |
| 07:02.18 | pingouin_ | themolester: ok, but it not only the link that killed, it the hdx also and his link |
| 07:02.34 | themolester | how did you kill it |
| 07:02.43 | pingouin_ | i dont really know |
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| 07:02.45 | pingouin_ | root, rm |
| 07:02.52 | pingouin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.58 | themolester | the hdx can be creaed by MAKEDEV hdx in /dev/ |
| 07:03.16 | themolester | however, based on information, i dont think thats what happened |
| 07:03.24 | themolester | you typed rm /cdrom2 ? |
| 07:03.25 | pingouin_ | hmm makedev sound something like an error it told me missing when i tried to link back |
| 07:03.32 | themolester | it should just be the symlink |
| 07:03.37 | pingouin_ | gonna check the man of MAKEDEV thx themolester |
| 07:03.52 | pingouin_ | it's was maybe the commande i wanted |
| 07:03.58 | themolester | not much to read |
| 07:04.05 | themolester | you MAKEDEV devicename |
| 07:04.08 | themolester | and it creates it |
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| 07:04.28 | themolester | but /cdrom2 is NOT a device, its a symlink |
| 07:04.59 | themolester | to a directory /media/cdrom which gets mounted by /dev/cdrom or /dev/hd? depending on how debiain/you set it up |
| 07:06.23 | pingouin_ | that's ok now themolester |
| 07:06.40 | pingouin_ | thank you, MAKEDEV was what i looking for |
| 07:06.46 | themolester | ok, no probs |
| 07:06.48 | themolester | have fun |
| 07:06.55 | pingouin_ | you avoid me a new reinstall ;) |
| 07:07.03 | themolester | heh |
| 07:07.09 | themolester | glad to do that |
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| 07:07.19 | themolester | reinstalls are for windows users |
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| 07:07.33 | themolester | with enough poking and prodding, linux can survive ALMOST anything |
| 07:07.34 | themolester | heh |
| 07:07.41 | pingouin_ | themolester: i did often also on debian, to understand the installation and so... |
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| 07:08.19 | d03boy | why the hell cant I install ndiswrapper using apt? |
| 07:08.45 | hettar | do you get an error ? |
| 07:09.43 | d03boy | it just doesnt show up |
| 07:10.04 | d03boy | ndiswrapper-util and ndiswrapper-source shows up though |
| 07:10.13 | d03boy | im not sure what i need to get wireless working :\ |
| 07:10.15 | hettar | deb http://rigtorp.se/debian/ unstable/ |
| 07:10.23 | hettar | try adding that to your sources |
| 07:10.24 | d03boy | ive got that... |
| 07:10.36 | Zibar | my debian sarge netinstaller wont recognize my s-ata drives - does anyone know of an installer that will support my s-ata drives properly ? |
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| 07:10.58 | hettar | have you run module-admin to make the package ? |
| 07:11.08 | chealer | Zibar: did you try with kernel 2.6? |
| 07:11.11 | INerTIal | how do make a process stay memory resident when i close a shell? |
| 07:11.16 | hettar | sorry module-assistant |
| 07:11.48 | Zibar | i was told that debian-sarge was 2.6 and that it would support ut |
| 07:11.50 | Zibar | it even |
| 07:12.10 | chealer | Zibar: sarge has 2.4 by default. use linux26 install parameter |
| 07:12.23 | __michael | Run in background after shell disconnect/exit? You can often use nohup, ... or perhaps batch. |
| 07:12.25 | Zibar | oh |
| 07:12.30 | Zibar | thanks ill try that |
| 07:12.57 | INerTIal | there is no command line variable? |
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| 07:13.40 | hrishikesh | hi, i am facing a problem in using apt-get |
| 07:14.03 | hrishikesh | when i do apt-get install webmin it says unmet dependencies |
| 07:14.34 | hrishikesh | E: Broken Packages |
| 07:14.51 | hrishikesh | i tried apt-get -f install and then apt-get update also |
| 07:15.01 | hrishikesh | but still it' not working |
| 07:16.45 | INerTIal | can someone please help me i just need to know what i do to make a process memory resident so it doesn't die when i disconnect the shell |
| 07:17.03 | hettar | INerTIal: just use screen |
| 07:17.18 | INerTIal | how do i do that? |
| 07:17.21 | hrishikesh | hi anyone o help me |
| 07:17.27 | hettar | install screen |
| 07:17.30 | hettar | run screen |
| 07:17.33 | chealer | hrishikesh: are you sure that your sources are OK? |
| 07:17.34 | INerTIal | i can't not my machine |
| 07:17.37 | hrishikesh | yes |
| 07:17.37 | __michael | INerTIal: screen if you want to be able to resume them, ... otherwise nohup will often suffice, ... or batch can be quite useful. |
| 07:17.55 | chealer | hrishikesh: what's your release? |
| 07:18.05 | hrishikesh | yes, it is working correctly just before that, i have installed a few packages before that |
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| 07:18.10 | hrishikesh | woody stable 3 |
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| 07:18.43 | chealer | hrishikesh: you're sure that these packages were fetched from the net? |
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| 07:19.10 | hrishikesh | yes yes |
| 07:19.22 | hrishikesh | i installed firefox etc from web only |
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| 07:19.53 | chealer | that doesn't prove much since you didn't get that from official woody sources |
| 07:20.08 | chealer | hrishikesh: are you using debian for a desktop? |
| 07:20.12 | hrishikesh | yes |
| 07:20.19 | chealer | !d-i hrishikesh |
| 07:20.20 | dpkg | hrishikesh, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:20.29 | chealer | hrishikesh: reinstall sarge instead |
| 07:20.45 | wiler | trying to install openvpn 2.0rc21 using sarge and openssl seems to have problems, in adition exported variables when run from scripts seem to fail.any ideas or someone else willing to give it a try on there own systems? |
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| 07:23.40 | Zodiac | I need some help with networking with Windows XP |
| 07:24.14 | Zodiac | I need to get my router to let me use a different IP and connect my X-Box so I can use X-Box live |
| 07:24.17 | Zodiac | can anyone help me? |
| 07:24.30 | Zodiac | I want to convert to Debian but I don't have the time to download the CDs right now |
| 07:24.37 | Zodiac | can you help me with my Windows XP in the meantime? |
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| 07:24.54 | chealer | haha |
| 07:24.59 | spdf | Zodiac, Er.. |
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| 07:25.04 | __michael | "Sure, replace your XP with Debian, ... it'll be much better. |
| 07:25.12 | chealer | after you sign the "I will use Debian" contract, of course |
| 07:25.18 | Zodiac | chealer, can you help me? |
| 07:25.24 | chealer | Zodiac: no |
| 07:25.45 | Zodiac | __michael, well I'm considering Debian but I'm also considering Gentoo |
| 07:25.51 | Zodiac | but in the meantime I want to know how to do it in Windows |
| 07:26.01 | spdf | Zodiac, How to do what? |
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| 07:26.30 | Zodiac | ok |
| 07:26.32 | Zodiac | I have DSL |
| 07:26.32 | spdf | Zodiac, I scrolled. Router + Pc + Xbox.. |
| 07:26.33 | Shaun | is there a way to make debian use a 2.6 kernel for the install? |
| 07:26.37 | Zodiac | it only recognizes one IP |
| 07:26.41 | Shaun | i have some hardware thats only supported in 2.6 |
| 07:26.44 | chealer | Shaun: with sarge, yes |
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| 07:26.51 | Shaun | chealer: how can i ? |
| 07:26.55 | Zodiac | I need to recognize the router IP so I can split it to the computer and to X-Box live |
| 07:27.04 | chealer | Shaun: linux26 install parameter |
| 07:27.17 | wiler | just make sure that your ethernet card is set to the same subnet as the router an it uses it as the gateway |
| 07:27.48 | spdf | Zodiac, What kind of dsl modem is it? |
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| 07:34.37 | Zodiac | sorry, my room mate disconnected the dsl |
| 07:34.38 | Overand | is there an app to unrar files that's apt-gettable? |
| 07:35.05 | chealer | !tell Overand about unrar |
| 07:35.43 | spdf | Overand, add non-free to your apt sources... |
| 07:35.51 | Overand | yeah it was in there to check athe nvidia stuff |
| 07:35.59 | Overand | now dpkg is throwing an error unrelated to this |
| 07:36.33 | Overand | this is back from when i removed fuse-tools, and it's throwing it *now?* the removal went fine... dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statusoverride file |
| 07:36.55 | Overand | statusoverride file? |
| 07:38.23 | Zodiac | so can anyone help me with the DSL? |
| 07:38.27 | cafuego | Overand: ls /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 07:38.28 | Zodiac | the modem is a Nortel Networks modem |
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| 07:38.38 | Zodiac | spdf, |
| 07:38.50 | spdf | Zodiac, I'm not sure what you mean by your dsl modem only recognizing one ip.. |
| 07:38.57 | Overand | hm |
| 07:39.17 | Zodiac | it only allows you one IP address per account |
| 07:39.25 | Zodiac | unless you pay for another account |
| 07:39.30 | Overand | heh, well hopefully that won't break anything |
| 07:39.42 | Overand | seems ok |
| 07:39.55 | spdf | Zodiac, So, you plug your dsl into the wlan port, and you should be fine.. |
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| 07:40.03 | mwilson | Zodiac: And you want someone here to help you break your TOS, huh? |
| 07:40.14 | spdf | mwilson, I'm not afraid... ;) |
| 07:40.38 | spdf | Zodiac, How much does it cost for a second ip? |
| 07:40.47 | Zodiac | how do I do that spdf? |
| 07:41.17 | mwilson | Zodiac: Did you consider reading the documentation for the router you bought? |
| 07:41.32 | __michael | I used to just have one IP with former ISP, ... used masquerading to have two computers share the connection. |
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| 07:42.05 | spdf | Zodiac, Your router should have one port specifically for the internet... plug your dsl modem into that.. |
| 07:42.48 | ecfx | How do I change my time...my xfce time says 2:44 but it's not right. |
| 07:42.48 | spdf | Zodiac, You should be able to put your dsl login info into the router' config (if its a decent router..) |
| 07:42.57 | spdf | ecfx, date |
| 07:43.03 | ecfx | I want my time to be GMT+1 |
| 07:43.31 | Zodiac | I lost the documentation for it |
| 07:43.32 | Zodiac | :( |
| 07:43.35 | Zodiac | I need help |
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| 07:43.42 | spdf | Zodiac, What kind of router is it? |
| 07:43.50 | mwilson | And you expect someone here to guess? |
| 07:43.51 | ecfx | spdf, What would the command be? |
| 07:43.54 | spdf | Zodiac, I imagine Google has a link to its manual.. |
| 07:43.57 | spdf | ecfx, man date |
| 07:44.01 | Zodiac | it's a LINKSYS |
| 07:44.07 | spdf | Zodiac, What model? |
| 07:44.27 | Zodiac | NH1005,V2 |
| 07:44.53 | ecfx | gee thanks spdf |
| 07:44.57 | spdf | Zodiac, Thats not a router, thats a 5-port hub.. |
| 07:45.00 | ecfx | You are so helpful. |
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| 07:45.17 | spdf | ecfx, What can I say... |
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| 07:45.36 | ecfx | The command? |
| 07:45.41 | ecfx | Or say you don't know it. |
| 07:46.03 | spdf | ecfx, Type "man date" at the command line.. |
| 07:46.09 | mwilson | ecfx: You were given the command. |
| 07:46.10 | spdf | ecfx, date - print or set the system date and time |
| 07:46.10 | ecliptik | is there another port other and 580* I need to foward in order to use the VNC java applet? I get a login screen now, but then it just hangs. |
| 07:46.14 | spdf | ecfx, Christ. |
| 07:46.33 | ecfx | I want to change the time...it's wrong...xfce shows the wrong time. |
| 07:46.58 | Zodiac | what's the router then? |
| 07:46.58 | mwilson | ecfx: Yes, you keep repeating that, as though it were somehow relevant. You were told how to change the time. Twice. |
| 07:47.05 | spdf | ecfx, /etc/timezone has your timezone |
| 07:47.06 | Zodiac | is that the NORTEL NETWORKS thing? |
| 07:47.10 | __michael | exfx - you may want to be sure you set your time zone properly, ... if you're connected to the Internet at least fairly regularly, you may want to install and configure ntp, and perhaps also ntpdate. |
| 07:47.14 | mwilson | Zodiac: How should we know? Do you own one? |
| 07:47.15 | Zodiac | my room mate read me the stuff and I just typed it |
| 07:47.29 | Zodiac | he thought LINKSYS was a router |
| 07:47.38 | mwilson | Zodiac: Who says you even HAVE a router? Perhaps all you have is a DSL modem. |
| 07:47.51 | Zodiac | and a LINKSYS |
| 07:47.53 | Zodiac | whatever that is |
| 07:47.59 | spdf | Zodiac, That model number you gave me is for a ethernet hub, thats not a router |
| 07:48.12 | Zodiac | what is an ethernet hub if that's not what a router is |
| 07:48.51 | spdf | Zodiac, http://compnetworking.about.com/od/homenetworkhardware/f/routervsswitch.htm |
| 07:48.54 | spdf | that'll tell you |
| 07:49.13 | __michael | ecfx - once you've got your timezone and system time set properly, you can use hwclock to set your hardware clock properly ... hwclock can also be used to set your system time based on the hardware clock, ... but that's not too useful if your hardware clock isn't set correctly, or other things aren't configured properly. |
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| 07:49.50 | ecfx | There is no /etc/timezone file. |
| 07:50.19 | spdf | ecfx, tzconfig |
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| 07:50.58 | spdf | ecfx, or tzsetup, tzselect |
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| 07:51.55 | ecfx | root@localhost:~# date |
| 07:51.55 | ecfx | Sun Apr 17 01:53:36 GMT+1 2005 |
| 07:52.29 | ecfx | For tzconfig I put GMT+1....but that time is wrong...GMT+1 is 8:54 right now. |
| 07:53.29 | spdf | ecfx, Then you'll need to change your hardware clock to gmt.. |
| 07:54.02 | Zodiac | ok |
| 07:54.04 | Zodiac | ummm |
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| 07:54.08 | Zodiac | so maybe I don't have a router |
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| 07:54.11 | ecfx | I need to reboot to change my time... |
| 07:54.15 | Zodiac | can I do this without a router? |
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| 07:54.27 | spdf | Zodiac, Not if you're only allowed one ip.. |
| 07:54.50 | Zodiac | I can't do it through the HUB? |
| 07:54.59 | __michael | ecfx - well, you may or may not want your hardware clock on GMT ... if you only run LINUX on the system, it's probably preferable to have the hardware clock set to GMT, ... if you have to deal with operating systems that expect or insist on the hardware clock being set to the local timezone, then you may instead want to have the hardware clock set to the local time. |
| 07:55.45 | __michael | ecfx - you don't have to reboot. You can change the system time and hardware clock time, without rebooting. |
| 07:55.50 | Zodiac | spdf, can I do it through the HUB? |
| 07:55.56 | spdf | Zodiac, I doubt it |
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| 07:56.04 | spdf | Zodiac, You CAN do it with a router. |
| 07:56.13 | Zodiac | spdf, could I try it with a HUB? |
| 07:56.14 | CyzarX | hello guys. i just bought a nikon digicam. what softwares i needed to use in order to transfer the jpeg from the camera to my debian? please advice. ty |
| 07:56.14 | __michael | ecfx - do keep in mind that if the system clock goes backwards in time, however, some things can get a bit upset/confused in that case. |
| 07:56.29 | Zodiac | I mean, could you explain the process of what I might do to try it with a HUB assuming it might be possible? |
| 07:56.39 | eps | gah, cant get nvidia drivers installed :( |
| 07:57.00 | drac | eps: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 07:57.08 | nipplesrulz | ok |
| 07:57.17 | nipplesrulz | how do i update my java? |
| 07:57.31 | nipplesrulz | apt-get update java ? |
| 07:57.32 | eps | drac yeah doesn't work |
| 07:57.42 | pingouin_ | !does not work |
| 07:57.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 07:57.44 | eps | just spent 40 mins going through the wiki on it too |
| 07:57.59 | eps | pingouin_ defined globally :P |
| 07:58.06 | spdf | eps, An error perhaps? |
| 07:58.11 | ecfx | __michael, How can I change the hardware clock? |
| 07:58.17 | pingouin_ | eps: debian «classic» 32 bit ? or 64 ? |
| 07:58.21 | spdf | ecfx, mwilson told you. hwclock |
| 07:58.22 | eps | spdf my kernel doesn't have a matching source or header |
| 07:58.30 | __michael | ecfx man hwclock |
| 07:58.30 | spdf | eps, Compile a new kernel |
| 07:58.33 | eps | pingouin_ 32, to poor for 64bit |
| 07:58.42 | pingouin_ | eps: how did you try ? with nvidia.com installer ? or debian package ? |
| 07:58.44 | eps | bbs |
| 07:59.02 | ecfx | Sun Apr 17 02:00:34 2005 -0.141035 seconds |
| 07:59.04 | ecfx | That is behind. |
| 08:00.01 | Zodiac | apt-cache search java |
| 08:00.07 | nipplesrulz | hmm |
| 08:00.12 | Zodiac | try to find whatever the name of the package is that you wanted to update |
| 08:00.19 | nipplesrulz | checking my packages and it seems java is in there >< |
| 08:00.34 | drac | nipplesrulz: /msg dpkg java-package (apt-get install java-package && man make-jpkg) |
| 08:00.51 | __michael | exfx - that's not far off, ... if you have ntp installed and configure and use it, it should get quite close to the correc time. |
| 08:01.07 | ecfx | k |
| 08:01.15 | ecfx | I know how to do ntp |
| 08:01.25 | pingouin_ | just apt-get install ntpdate |
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| 08:02.18 | __michael | exfx get, install, and configure ntp (and probably also ntpdate). |
| 08:03.21 | Zodiac | so how could I try and configure the HUB as though it were a router so that I could support multiple IPs while not having to pay for additional IPs |
| 08:03.40 | mwilson | Zodiac: You can't. Now, wasn't that easy? |
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| 08:04.59 | Zodiac | are you sure mwilson ? |
| 08:05.03 | Zodiac | I'll try |
| 08:05.12 | spdf | Zodiac, NO. Your hub can't do whats needed for that. Buy a decent router. A Linksys BEFSR41 perhaps... |
| 08:05.13 | streuner | hm |
| 08:05.23 | __michael | Zodiac - hub is a relatively "dumb" device, ... it mostly just shovels packets about. It's not going to do any of the snazzier work for you to allow multiple computers with distinct IPs to share one ISP provided IP. |
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| 08:05.28 | Zodiac | I swear if you don't help me I'll go back to AOL and Windows 95!!!!! |
| 08:05.37 | mwilson | Zodiac: So? |
| 08:05.39 | spdf | Zodiac, That doesn't worry me in the least... |
| 08:05.50 | Zodiac | well how much would that router cost? |
| 08:05.51 | ecfx | __michael, When I did ntpdate, and resynched it...my time was off by 7 hours |
| 08:05.53 | Zodiac | ballparked |
| 08:05.57 | ecfx | lol, that's without changing the hwclock |
| 08:06.17 | spdf | Zodiac, Where do you live? |
| 08:07.10 | spdf | Zodiac, A 4-Port linksys BEFSX41 is about 109CAD |
| 08:07.15 | __michael | ecfx - if, after using ntpdate, your seconds and minutes are right on (or exceedingly close), but you're off by some integral number of hours, you may yet have a timezone issue. |
| 08:07.41 | spdf | Zodiac, You could find something cheaper from D-Link perhaps, or even something used on ebay maybe |
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| 08:08.05 | ecfx | Etc/GMT+1 |
| 08:08.11 | ecfx | That is in /etc/timezone...what is Etc? |
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| 08:08.27 | ecfx | Because I have it set to GMT+1...and it's showing 8:08...but GMT+1 is 9:08 now. |
| 08:08.51 | drac | ecfx: tzconfig |
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| 08:09.04 | Zodiac | I live in Alaska |
| 08:09.17 | __michael | ecfx - if you do # ntpdate -qu ntp_server_you_are_using and the offset it shows in seconds is quite small (a few seconds or less), you're looking at a timezone issue. |
| 08:09.18 | STuFf0r | How can I stop my X-Server? "init 3" doesn't work. |
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| 08:09.24 | STuFf0r | ?? |
| 08:09.31 | mwilson | STuFf0r: Why would it? |
| 08:09.32 | streuner | Why do you care then, i thought in alaska its mostly night? |
| 08:09.40 | ecfx | drac, I did tzconfig |
| 08:09.45 | spdf | streuner, Half of the year atleast.. |
| 08:09.52 | STuFf0r | So, what will help |
| 08:09.56 | Erpo | Here's a question: When I apt-get install gaim to get the latest version of gaim it appears to succeed even when I'm running the gaim executable. What's going on here? |
| 08:10.01 | drac | STuFf0r: /etc/init.d/xdm stop (or kdm, or gdm) and ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 08:10.21 | mwilson | Erpo: Why would you expect it to fail? |
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| 08:10.43 | spdf | Erpo, Have you restarted gaim? |
| 08:10.50 | Erpo | mwilson: Shouldn't apt-get try to overwrite the application's binary and fail because the binary is in use? |
| 08:10.58 | mwilson | Erpo: No. |
| 08:11.00 | Erpo | spdf: Yes. |
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| 08:11.10 | spdf | Erpo, You can update things while they're in use. Its magical. |
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| 08:12.15 | Erpo | mwilson, spdf: Seriously. It makes no sense to me. Shouldn't the file be locked? Doesn't linux's vm system use the executable as an on-disk cache of the application's code so that code pages can be dropped from memory without writing to swap if necessary? |
| 08:12.49 | mwilson | Erpo: No. |
| 08:13.09 | STuFf0r | Sorry, I hit only CTRL-ALT-Backspace. What was the first command to stop x? |
| 08:13.11 | __michael | Erpo unlinked open files - in UNIX (and LINUX), the inode isn't freed until the last link is removed, and the last process having it open closes the file - so the open process uses the file - even after it's been unlinked, meanwhile, the upgrade has installed the new file (unlinking the old one first). |
| 08:13.14 | mwilson | Erpo: Not in the way you think it does. But that has little to do with what the filesystem is doing in any case. |
| 08:13.20 | STuFf0r | Whoever told me that :D |
| 08:13.23 | silverton | is there a putty equiv for debian? |
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| 08:13.46 | streuner | ssh |
| 08:13.59 | silverton | like, ssh $IP ? |
| 08:14.07 | Nwallins | like, totally |
| 08:14.15 | Erpo | mwilson: Where can I read more about what's actually going on? |
| 08:14.16 | silverton | like, tubular :D |
| 08:14.26 | spdf | silverton, ssh <ip> -l <username> (without the -l, it'll try to login as whichever user you're logged in as on your system) |
| 08:14.26 | STuFf0r | Ok, im sorry but I have to ask again. How do I stop X? |
| 08:14.29 | uhlsuys | is there a way to make jpg pictures smaller? |
| 08:14.36 | Nwallins | like, I swear, the sun bleached my hair |
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| 08:14.41 | silverton | alright, thank you spdf |
| 08:14.57 | streuner | silverton: ssh <user>@foo.com |
| 08:15.04 | pingouin_ | uhlsuys: apt-get install imagemagick and use convert |
| 08:15.12 | Erpo | uhlsuys: Open them and save them with higher compression. Also, converting from a normal jpeg to a progressive jpeg can often save some space. |
| 08:15.16 | mwilson | STuFf0r: Which DM do you use? |
| 08:15.19 | abrocadabro | STuFf0r: why not just kill it? like killall -9 X |
| 08:15.38 | STuFf0r | I dont know what DM means, sorry |
| 08:15.38 | __michael | Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic -- Arthur C. Clarke |
| 08:16.02 | STuFf0r | killall -9 X? That works? |
| 08:16.21 | drac | no it doesn't. wtf. |
| 08:16.24 | drac | STuFf0r: /etc/init.d/xdm stop (or kdm, or gdm) and ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 08:16.32 | STuFf0r | Thanks drac |
| 08:16.32 | drac | and read it this time. |
| 08:17.07 | uhlsuys | Oh thanks. I have problem some reason my password at termial is working. |
| 08:17.41 | __michael | Erpo man 2 unlink |
| 08:17.47 | uhlsuys | it been a long time since I went there. |
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| 08:19.57 | ecfx | What port do I foward for ntp-server? |
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| 08:20.04 | STuFf0r | I want to install the NVidia drivers (therefore I had top stop X). But the installer complains that there is no kernel. What shall I do now? |
| 08:20.12 | abrocadabro | drac: killall -9 X worked for me |
| 08:20.41 | eps | pingouin_ I used the nvidia installer - it said the source and the kernel didn't match, and I tried the wiki but all the packages didn't exist |
| 08:20.48 | groulder | hmmm, 3.0r5 is out. no one told me about that. |
| 08:20.48 | eps | I would rather use the nvidia installer so if I can make it think the source and kernel match I would be happy :) |
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| 08:21.07 | drac | abrocadabro: I bet you don't know reason for -9, or the fact that display managers just 'pop back up' even with kill -9'ing them. |
| 08:21.12 | Erpo | eps: You need to find the source for the kernel you're using and stick it in /usr/src/linux. |
| 08:21.21 | spdf | eps, I imagine they would have to match up because it builds a module if I'm not mistaken... |
| 08:21.21 | cafuego | !nvidia one-liner |
| 08:21.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 08:21.46 | Nwallins | funny, that's the same thing I came up with.. |
| 08:22.07 | STuFf0r | So what would help me? |
| 08:22.21 | STuFf0r | This one-liner thing sounds good |
| 08:22.22 | __michael | groulder http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/debian-announce |
| 08:22.24 | eps | Erpo I can only find the source for 2.6.8-15 where as I am using 2.6.8-1-386 (which might be 2.6.8-10) |
| 08:22.43 | abrocadabro | drac: it pops back up yes, but it went down though |
| 08:23.08 | eps | spdf I'm told it doesn't really matter as -x are debian patches, which should effect how the nvidia driver is built |
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| 08:23.30 | Erpo | eps: *shrug* That's what happens when you use an OS that's not a platform. That one-liner above looks promising, though. |
| 08:23.31 | drac | eps: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386, then you boot to new kernel and you'll have matching headers for it. done. |
| 08:23.44 | STuFf0r | Hello |
| 08:23.48 | __michael | drac - the typical X session is managed similar to a virtual terminal login session - a new login process is generally spawned when the old session is gone - hence killing the current session doesn't stop new login process from initiating. |
| 08:23.50 | drac | eps: -1- is like.. 'not in use anymore' |
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| 08:24.31 | eps | drac does headers = source? |
| 08:24.43 | drac | eps: You need headers, for nvidia drivers, not full sources. |
| 08:24.49 | eps | ah okay :) |
| 08:24.53 | STuFf0r | Why do u all ignore me? |
| 08:25.07 | eps | STuFf0r because you didn't ask a question |
| 08:25.12 | STuFf0r | I did |
| 08:25.14 | ecfx | __michael, What port do I foward for ntp-server? |
| 08:25.40 | STuFf0r | Whats the easiest way to install the nvidia-drivers? |
| 08:25.42 | eps | STuFf0r read the wiki linked to in the topic, it has a great section on nvidia driver installs |
| 08:25.48 | eps | thanks drac :) |
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| 08:26.36 | __michael | exfx It uses port 123 |
| 08:26.58 | __michael | ecfx - do you need forwarding? |
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| 08:29.28 | __michael | ecfx It uses UDP port 123 ... /etc/services is handy to check for these more common bits of data in many cases. |
| 08:30.37 | pjo | Hello ! Please advise where shall I ask questions regarding Debian/Gnome related questions. |
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| 08:31.00 | eps | in their assumed channels |
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| 08:31.10 | eps | !ask |
| 08:31.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 08:31.26 | eps | such a good bot |
| 08:31.45 | pjo | ok |
| 08:32.21 | eps | you are also welcome to hug the bot if you so wish |
| 08:32.34 | pjo | whisch files are related to Gnome settings in addition to .gnomerc ? |
| 08:32.47 | pjo | whisch--->which |
| 08:32.59 | eps | ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf* folders |
| 08:33.11 | eps | ~/ being your home directory |
| 08:33.15 | __michael | pjo per-user, or server? |
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| 08:33.27 | pjo | per-user |
| 08:33.29 | __michael | pjo ... or system defaults? |
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| 08:33.48 | pjo | just trying to set up Gnome desktop |
| 08:34.00 | eps | pjo what part of it are you trying to change? |
| 08:34.15 | pjo | locales, into Japanese |
| 08:34.20 | eps | ah |
| 08:34.36 | pjo | as a root Gnome lauches with Japanese |
| 08:34.55 | pjo | but as a user xxx, no Japanese |
| 08:35.07 | eps | sorry, not sure how to set that :( |
| 08:35.09 | valdyn_ | pjo: did you do "dpkg-reconfigure locales" ? |
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| 08:35.41 | __michael | pjo I'd presume the ~/.gnome* stuff, ... but I haven't mucked with it much. could move the files aside, ... compare what it (re)creates if launched without those per-user files there. |
| 08:35.44 | STuFf0r | I tried to install nvidia with the wiki linked in the topic. but it seems that the deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian $NVDIST main contrib non-free is outdated. |
| 08:36.00 | STuFf0r | Does anyone know an alternative server? |
| 08:36.27 | valdyn_ | pjo: dealing with low level details ( like those gnome config files ) should not be needed |
| 08:36.43 | CyzarX | hello guys. i just bought a nikon digicam. what softwares i needed to use in order to transfer the jpeg from the camera to my debian? please advice. ty |
| 08:36.51 | pjo | ok |
| 08:37.06 | pjo | i am confused with the .bashrc |
| 08:37.24 | valdyn_ | pjo: do you want to set the locale systemwide? |
| 08:37.24 | spdf | CyzarX, If you plug it in, you may be able to mount it as a usb storage device.. |
| 08:37.38 | pjo | because if .bashrc has LANG=C, then gnome starts English desktop |
| 08:37.41 | __michael | pjo Confused with ~/.bashrc in what way? |
| 08:37.53 | CyzarX | spdf, oh i see.. what should i set in fstab then? |
| 08:38.04 | valdyn_ | pjo: thats not a good way to change locales... |
| 08:38.09 | pjo | oh yes lsystem wide locale |
| 08:38.32 | valdyn_ | pjo: dont touch any config file, just run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 08:38.47 | spdf | CyzarX, I think when you plug it in, it should be /dev/sg1, or something like that.. I'm likely not remembering that correctly.. |
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| 08:38.55 | eps | drac the image file failed md5 checksum :( |
| 08:38.56 | spdf | CyzarX, Do you have hotplug installed? |
| 08:39.26 | pjo | dpgk-reconfigure locales was executed a few times but I will do it again |
| 08:39.44 | __michael | CyzarX watch the messages when it's connected, that may tell you what device it gets configured as, if it's picked up automagically. |
| 08:39.47 | CyzarX | spdf, im not sure. how to check whether hotplug is properly installed? |
| 08:40.02 | CyzarX | __michael, okay ;) |
| 08:40.04 | badblody | how can i know the functions that provides a so library ? |
| 08:41.01 | pjo | the other problem I have with Gnome, as a root, the desktop is Japanese but I cannot input Japanese even Japanese input method is running, canna |
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| 08:41.19 | valdyn_ | badblody: read its documentation |
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| 08:41.51 | spdf | CyzarX, may as well check out http://www.gphoto.org/ while you're at it.. |
| 08:42.12 | CyzarX | spdf, ty for help ;) |
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| 08:43.31 | CyzarX | mmm..my digicam isnt supported |
| 08:43.35 | CyzarX | it is too new |
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| 08:44.08 | spdf | CyzarX, Perhaps.. You should atleast be able to get the photos off.. |
| 08:44.51 | Bebabo | i just did an apt-get update/upgrade and now my remote server says "read only file system" everywhere and i'm blocked, what can that be ? |
| 08:45.00 | CyzarX | spdf, yes, im trying now |
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| 08:45.47 | pjo | thanks for advises, iwill reconfigure locales |
| 08:46.29 | spdf | Bebabo, Did you see what it updated? |
| 08:46.32 | __michael | Bebabo mount should show you what filesystem(s) are readonly - look for the ro in the options (as opposed to rw) ... you can generally switch from ro to rw, e.g. # mount -o remount,rw /usr |
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| 08:47.31 | CyzarX | spdf, do i need to include any parameter in fstab? |
| 08:47.38 | Bebabo | i get /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) no the main hd |
| 08:47.58 | valdyn_ | pjo: i recall you somewhere in the GUI set gnomes input method, but i never used a different than default so i cant help there.. |
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| 08:48.13 | spdf | CyzarX, users (so that regular users can mount) should do it |
| 08:48.42 | CyzarX | spdf, i dont know what should i put in it. do u have example? |
| 08:48.45 | valdyn_ | pjo: ah, rightclick on gnome-terminal |
| 08:50.17 | spdf | CyzarX, /dev/<WHATEVER IT IS> /media/Nikon auto rw,users,noauto |
| 08:50.56 | CyzarX | spdf, ty very much :) |
| 08:51.08 | spdf | CyzarX, You could also add a group "camera", and then add the option gid=<CAMERA's GID> to that |
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| 08:51.52 | CyzarX | spdf, sorry, im a newbie here. can u teach me how to add a group "camera" step by step? |
| 08:52.13 | spdf | CyzarX, addgroup --system camera |
| 08:52.23 | spdf | CyzarX, the gid (group id) will be whats in the brackets |
| 08:52.31 | spdf | CyzarX, Do that as root |
| 08:52.33 | __michael | spdf Should it really be a system group? |
| 08:52.57 | spdf | __michael, I suppose not |
| 08:53.01 | spdf | CyzarX, addgroup camera |
| 08:53.05 | spdf | CyzarX, omit --system |
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| 08:55.04 | Mash | hello |
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| 08:57.01 | cleverAlf | I used to have /rtc/ in my /proc/sys/dev/ directory, but now it's gone... I'm not sure what it is or what it represents... Just had a little script that used to change it's value from 64 to 1024 (to meet app some app specs).. now getting error msg that it doesn't exist.. |
| 08:57.26 | spdf | Not so clever now are you... |
| 08:57.34 | cleverAlf | duhhhh... <g> |
| 08:57.41 | cleverAlf | yup.. |
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| 08:58.38 | pink1 | Anyone managed to link realplayer to firefox in Debian Sarge? I have realplayer10 loaded and working - just need firefox to use it.... |
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| 08:59.32 | __michael | cleverAlf if [ -f /proc/sys/dev/rtc ]; then muck_with_it; else :; fi ... or something like that |
| 08:59.56 | cleverAlf | pink1: have you asked in mozilla.org ? |
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| 09:00.43 | Bebabo | mrrm i can't even login as root any more to do a shutdown -r or a remount rw :( |
| 09:01.01 | Virtual | If I watch a movie after a while the screensaver starts, I disabled the screensaver but now after a while the monitor just goes on stand by and I have to move the mouse or to press a key to start again, can I fix this? |
| 09:01.14 | cleverAlf | well yes.. I could do that, but what I'm really interested in is what the rtc directory means to the kernel.. Just trying to learn a little bit here... |
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| 09:02.05 | JonasNZ | hey im wondering if theres an easy way to do a netinstall over ssh, ie have sum1 onsite put in a cd, and just type a few commands and i can do the rest |
| 09:02.34 | __michael | Virtual If it's under X, xset s off |
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| 09:03.13 | Virtual | thanks __michael |
| 09:03.26 | Virtual | I did that command, hope next time I watch a movie it doesn`t go in stand by |
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| 09:04.13 | FlopsyPete | from testing/sarge I want to remove xscreensaver but apt-get says it will also remove gnoem if I do so - whats that all about? |
| 09:04.41 | FlopsyPete | (gnome not gnoem) |
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| 09:05.09 | cleverAlf | while i'm here i have another quick question... sarge doesnt' give scanner access to anyone but root. tried setting suid / guid on xsane but then it gripes and says it can't do that... Sooo... where do i go from here with this one? |
| 09:05.10 | gomlor | can I use my encrypted partition after a clean reinstall or do I have to export something? |
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| 09:05.33 | cahoot | cleverAlf: put user in group scanner |
| 09:05.35 | __michael | FlopsyPete gnome likely depends upon it. |
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| 09:05.47 | cleverAlf | cahoot: thanks.. |
| 09:06.12 | cahoot | cleverAlf: vigr is a good tool for that |
| 09:06.41 | spdf | scsi emulated usb devices go to /dev/sg*, right? |
| 09:06.51 | enyc | not sure ;-) |
| 09:06.58 | enyc | depends what sort of device i expect |
| 09:07.00 | __michael | cleverAlf configure sudo - install it if you don't have it. Setting suid and/or sgid on stuff that wasn't specifically designed to have them set and be secure is a highly dangerous (security-wise) thing to do. |
| 09:07.03 | enyc | 'generic' device for scanner-like-things |
| 09:07.03 | cahoot | spdf: might be /dev/sd* if scsi disk |
| 09:07.10 | spdf | cahoot, its a camera |
| 09:07.36 | cahoot | spdf: might be /dev/sd* if scsi disk / usb-storage |
| 09:07.52 | spdf | cahoot, CyzarX's actually.. hotplug detects it properly at /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 |
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| 09:08.39 | cahoot | spdf: sg = scsi generic (?) - sd = scsi disk |
| 09:08.50 | __michael | spdf depends on the device, ... e.g. my USB floppy comes up as /dev/sda |
| 09:08.52 | apfel | Is there some program for listening to internet radio? |
| 09:09.00 | cleverAlf | __michael: yes, but wonn't that save all images under root user id? |
| 09:09.25 | FlopsyPete | __michael: oh, ok, I see. I hadn't thought of that as it seems so unlikely |
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| 09:10.40 | cahoot | cleverAlf: shouldn't need sudo for scanner - scanner group should suffice |
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| 09:12.14 | __michael | cleverAlf Yes, probably would in that case. If the program's designed to be controled by group id and the group is suitable, that (as suggested) may be a better approach. |
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| 09:13.06 | pink1 | cleverAlf: yes - but there was no-one there who had done it.... :-/ |
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| 09:15.12 | cleverAlf | pink1: i'm pretty sure i've seen plugin info for mozilla/firefox ... have you looked for a plugin a mozilla.org? |
| 09:15.50 | gomlor | can someone help me with a crypto question? |
| 09:15.53 | pink1 | Yep - I'm not seeing anything that looks right.... |
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| 09:16.26 | cleverAlf | __michael: I'm having a brain fart about now and cant remember the term... has to do with default file/directory permissions... can't you set that at the directory level so all files are saved as a specific user:group ?? |
| 09:16.47 | cleverAlf | no matter how created it.. |
| 09:16.55 | caphuso | cleverAlf: specific group yes, specific user no |
| 09:17.04 | Anders1 | in which package is /bin/ping included? |
| 09:17.18 | cahoot | pink1: tried to symlink the two files in /opt/RealPlayer/mozilla to the plugnis dir ? |
| 09:17.29 | caphuso | Anders1: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:17.34 | Anders1 | thanks |
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| 09:18.17 | wtf | does ext3 fs support partitions bigger than 100gb ? |
| 09:18.24 | pink1 | cahoot - that might be it.... I'll try |
| 09:18.29 | caphuso | wtf: yes |
| 09:18.36 | __michael | cleverAlf You can do that for group ... sgid on the directory will do that for the group - gives BSD flavor behavior, where items created within the directory will have group ownership of the parent directory (and for directories created, will likewise set the sgid bit, so the effect is recursive for new items created). |
| 09:19.11 | wtf | i have a 200gb disk added in my pc.. i run cfdisk and i made a 200gb partition (ext3) but 'df -h' says it's 95G big |
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| 09:20.32 | cleverAlf | __michael: so i can suid on a default scanned image directory to my gid and give it rwx as well for the group and that would allow me all access to the images.. |
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| 09:21.12 | valdyn_ | wtf: on woody? |
| 09:21.27 | wtf | valdyn_: yes |
| 09:21.56 | __michael | to cleverAlf Not necessarily, ... you'd have group ownership of them, ... but if someone created them, say, mode 600, you couldn't get to the file's data ... though you could rename, link, and unlink the file. |
| 09:21.57 | valdyn_ | wtf: such big disks arent supported by woody by default, you need a more recent kernel, i believe |
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| 09:22.06 | cy_ | hello |
| 09:22.17 | wtf | valdyn_: i will upgrade now to unstable and kernel 2.4.30 |
| 09:22.32 | biggi_mat | wtf why not 2.6.* |
| 09:22.33 | cy_ | i am trying to install xorg from an ubuntu archive on a debian sid system.. |
| 09:22.34 | biggi_mat | ? |
| 09:22.42 | cy_ | http://sial.org/pbot/9406 |
| 09:22.50 | wtf | biggi_mat: zato ka ze od zacetka mam 2.4 ;> |
| 09:22.52 | cy_ | but it would remove half of my system |
| 09:22.54 | cy_ | :/ |
| 09:23.02 | liable | cy_: bad thing to do |
| 09:23.07 | cleverAlf | __michael: yup.. for sure .. but since this is a one user box I think i can deal with that.. LOL.. |
| 09:23.11 | cy_ | liable; yeah :/ |
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| 09:23.15 | cy_ | how to do it then ? |
| 09:23.18 | biggi_mat | wtf zvest 2.4* torej? :) |
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| 09:23.21 | valdyn_ | cy_: why are you? |
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| 09:23.26 | CroatianNinja | !tar |
| 09:23.26 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 09:23.32 | valdyn_ | cy_: xorg is not better per se |
| 09:23.42 | cy_ | well, X doesnt work somehow.. |
| 09:23.48 | cy_ | it shuts down the computer totally |
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| 09:24.04 | valdyn_ | !setup x |
| 09:24.04 | dpkg | well, set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 09:24.06 | cy_ | somehow |
| 09:24.07 | cy_ | :( |
| 09:24.11 | wtf | biggi_mat: da ;> |
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| 09:24.21 | biggi_mat | :) |
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| 09:25.12 | spdf | cy, thats quite the pickle.. |
| 09:25.42 | cy_ | i try to reinstall xfree86 now.. |
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| 09:26.07 | cahoot | cleverAlf: leave the kb until the urge vanishes ;) |
| 09:26.19 | cleverAlf | ok.. here goes... anyone have either 256 or 512k DDR2100 memory sticks they would like to get rid of? Mine is REALLY bad.. and I mean BADDDD... |
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| 09:26.51 | classic-al | hi, - excuse any poor etiquette, first time irc user |
| 09:27.07 | cleverAlf | ooppss... I'll just go now and make that sandwich i've been thinkin bout for an hour... |
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| 09:27.53 | wtf | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 09:27.53 | wtf | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 09:27.53 | wtf | E: Error occured while processing libpam-runtime (NewVersion1) |
| 09:27.53 | wtf | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 09:27.53 | wtf | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 09:28.00 | wtf | 'wtf' is this? |
| 09:28.06 | valdyn_ | !dynamic mmap |
| 09:28.06 | dpkg | methinks dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 09:28.09 | caphuso | wtf: a failure to use google |
| 09:28.32 | caphuso | not to forget the topic reading failure |
| 09:28.53 | __michael | wtf There's an "answer" if you look at the bug tracking system. |
| 09:28.57 | cleverAlf | can pmout be used on a hdd or is it strictly for removable media? |
| 09:29.23 | wtf | ;> |
| 09:29.26 | wtf | thnx valdyn_ |
| 09:29.36 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 195018 |
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| 09:29.40 | dpkg | #195018:W[apt] Make cache mmap grow dynamically Wed, 28 May 2003 07:18:01 UTC [#214666] |
| 09:29.40 | streuner | hm |
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| 09:30.27 | drac | cleverAlf: change network interface to dummy should do it. |
| 09:30.36 | streuner | Starting disk temperature monitoring daemon: no disks with monitoring capability were found |
| 09:30.43 | streuner | ^^^ crap |
| 09:31.27 | cleverAlf | i thinnk that one went over my head drac.. |
| 09:31.29 | peterrooney | i think apt-get's interface ould be seriously improved ifthe mmap message were replaced with a question along the lines of "I can increase the memory cache, would you like the change to be permanent or temporary?" |
| 09:31.40 | streuner | !dbugs 303312 |
| 09:31.43 | dpkg | #303312:N[hddtemp] hddtemp does not recognize all drives (unreproducible) Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:48:01 UTC |
| 09:31.59 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: the solution is to just fix 195018 |
| 09:32.10 | caphuso | streuner: does "hddtemp /dev/blah" work? |
| 09:32.19 | streuner | Two days ago it worked, do you think another bugreport make sense? |
| 09:32.21 | dondelelcaro | anything else is pointless coding |
| 09:32.26 | zorton | can bash print the linenumber of the init file that has the error on it? |
| 09:32.32 | dondelelcaro | streuner: just give more information to that bug report |
| 09:32.42 | zorton | my .profile has grown over the years and now i've got an error of some kind in it. Can't find it |
| 09:32.44 | drac | cleverAlf: nic, network interface card. dummy is one module, driver, for some of these cards. ;) |
| 09:32.59 | streuner | caphuso: nope |
| 09:33.06 | __michael | zorton depends on how the error comes about. |
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| 09:33.39 | zorton | __michael: I think it's a simple syntax error in the .profile |
| 09:33.47 | caphuso | streuner: does your disk have a temperature sensor? |
| 09:33.53 | zorton | -bash: [: too many arguments |
| 09:34.08 | streuner | caphuso: scroll up, it worked 2 days ago... |
| 09:34.09 | cafuego | zorton: Just let it have its way |
| 09:34.28 | zorton | cafuego: one of those anonying things, happens on every system i'm in |
| 09:34.48 | caphuso | streuner: ah, did you manually edit /etc/hddtemp.db and overwrote it with the last update? |
| 09:35.01 | cafuego | zorton: Did you space the '[' and ']' out properly? |
| 09:35.06 | streuner | caphuso: i didn't change anything |
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| 09:35.15 | __michael | zorton If it's sourced, like .profile, I don't know if there's a simple way to get it to tell you the line number ... you could temporarily add set -xv to it (or a copy of it), and source that, and see where it kicks out that error in the file. |
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| 09:35.53 | caphuso | streuner: do you have an /etc/hddtemp.db*old* file ? |
| 09:36.00 | zorton | cafuego: yeah, checked that type of stuff over |
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| 09:37.03 | streuner | knusper:/etc# ls -l /etc/hddtemp.* |
| 09:37.03 | streuner | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15533 2005-04-15 07:29 /etc/hddtemp.db |
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| 09:38.16 | caphuso | streuner: what's the error you get when running "hddtemp /dev/blah"? |
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| 09:38.58 | streuner | knusper:/etc# hddtemp -n /dev/hdd |
| 09:38.58 | streuner | /dev/hdd: Maxtor 6E040L0: S.M.A.R.T. not available |
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| 09:39.43 | m0p | Hello. I am creating a ReiserFS system on a new disk I have just bought. What block size would you recommend? |
| 09:40.14 | caphuso | streuner: try "smartctl -s on /dev/hdd" |
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| 09:40.33 | kib | I am trying to allow a user to edit files in /var/www and I chowned it to the user and group of the ftp session. and the files are even set to 664 and dir to 775 but it refuses to let me overwirte or delete |
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| 09:40.34 | __michael | m0p I just used the default for mine, ... I think that's 4KiB if I recall correctly. |
| 09:40.42 | kib | I can upload new files but not change anything preexisintg |
| 09:40.45 | m0p | 4096 bytes? |
| 09:40.47 | kib | I am not using anonymous access either |
| 09:40.49 | m0p | k |
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| 09:41.11 | kib | anyone know what IAm doing wrong here? nothing in the ftpaccess file stands out |
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| 09:41.17 | cafuego | streuner: 1) is SMART enbaled in the bios? 2) Is it an SATA drive? |
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| 09:42.04 | m0p | sorry, I am completely stupid when it comes to creating filesystems. But what options would you recommend for journalling? |
| 09:42.04 | __michael | m0p Yes, 4096 bytes. |
| 09:42.14 | valdyn_ | m0p: the default |
| 09:42.18 | m0p | ok |
| 09:42.58 | __michael | kib You might check with strace to see why it's failing, ... though that could be a lot of output to peek at. |
| 09:43.51 | m0p | I want to create a small 4gb reiser system, what arguments wuold I need to give mkfs.reiserfs though? sorry, just never made a filesystem by hand before. |
| 09:43.59 | simonrvn | -o /path/to/some/file is useful |
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| 09:44.13 | cafuego | m0p: ext3. not reiserfs at all. |
| 09:44.21 | bbrazil | m0p: just the device name, sensible defaults will be picked |
| 09:44.23 | m0p | oh yeah, the corruption problems |
| 09:44.30 | m0p | k |
| 09:44.38 | simonrvn | i wouldn't touch reiser. too unstable, can't be fixed easily |
| 09:44.43 | cafuego | Just run 'mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdXY' |
| 09:44.47 | __michael | m0p You only need to give it the required arguments per the man page. |
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| 09:45.18 | kib | __michael: and where is strace...its not a commandinstaleld onthe system I just found out |
| 09:45.20 | kib | is it a log file? |
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| 09:45.40 | __michael | simonrvn I've been using reiser for most all my filesystems, ... almost zero problems with them (had one tiny problem once on one filesystem ... but that also might have been due to a hardware hickup on the hard drive). |
| 09:45.43 | simonrvn | stuck another (large) fan in this case |
| 09:45.44 | m0p | whats the default ext3 blocksize? |
| 09:45.50 | simonrvn | temperature : 31 C (uncalibrated) |
| 09:45.50 | caphuso | 4KiB |
| 09:45.54 | m0p | k |
| 09:46.29 | __michael | kib strace is a package - you can install it if you don't have it. |
| 09:46.44 | kib | then its time to figure out how packages work I guess |
| 09:46.45 | kib | brb |
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| 09:46.50 | m0p | so, if I want to create a ext3 system of 4gb, I do "mkfs -t ext3 /dev/blah amountofblocks" ? |
| 09:47.05 | m0p | and amount of blocks is the capacity of the disk, in blocks? |
| 09:47.07 | resiak | m0p: man mkfs.ext3 |
| 09:47.08 | __michael | kib Depending on your ftp server, and it's configuration (and options), it may be able to tell you why it's disallowing an operation (if it's the server itself that's prevening it). |
| 09:47.12 | m0p | k |
| 09:47.14 | simonrvn | the ones i've had the most stability from: ext2. ext3, xfs tied for first, and jfs a close second. reiser puked too easily. IME |
| 09:47.45 | kib | __michael: its run from inetd |
| 09:47.51 | kib | soI assume I have to call strace that way |
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| 09:48.19 | __michael | m0p You can usually not specify the size - by default it fills the device. If you're making the filesystem on a flat file, howerver, you would want to specify the size. |
| 09:48.20 | kib | __michael: I am getting this message in ftp |
| 09:48.23 | kib | ftp> rm Paypal-template.png |
| 09:48.23 | kib | 553 Paypal-template.png: Permission denied on server. (Delete) |
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| 09:48.38 | kib | and similar messgae if I upload file by sane name..only it will say overwirte |
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| 09:49.07 | Inkvisitor | who do I get error "Device or resource busy" when i try to insmod tun.ko ? |
| 09:49.14 | __michael | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:49.31 | kib | __michael: the ftp iuser ownes the dir and the file |
| 09:49.32 | simonrvn | i think you mean 'why', not 'who' |
| 09:49.40 | resiak | kib: So contact your ftp provider... ...oh wait, are _you_ the ftp provider? I know that vsftp has an option to enforce exactly that behavior even if you have +w on the directory. |
| 09:49.48 | kib | resiak: I am the ftp rovider |
| 09:49.48 | Inkvisitor | yes.. why :) |
| 09:49.50 | simonrvn | Inkvisitor: don't use insmod - modprobe |
| 09:49.51 | kib | lol |
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| 09:49.59 | kib | resiak: its my server...I can't figure out how to allow it |
| 09:50.00 | Inkvisitor | same thing on modprobe simonrvn |
| 09:50.06 | resiak | kib: VSFTP? |
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| 09:50.10 | kib | no |
| 09:50.13 | kib | wu-ftd |
| 09:50.19 | kib | default for debian I assume |
| 09:50.21 | resiak | *shrug8 |
| 09:50.33 | streuner | !ops BuLL is an on-join bot |
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| 09:50.37 | kib | because it was setup when I bought the server |
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| 09:51.00 | kib | you would think I woud have no ptrobel with wu-ftp being the berkeley ftpd |
| 09:51.03 | simonrvn | Inkvisitor: there's another driver using that resource; find out what it is. maybe it's already loaded too |
| 09:51.04 | kib | problem* |
| 09:51.12 | kib | maybe I should try vsftp? |
| 09:51.13 | resiak | kib: Have you looked through the conf file manpage? |
| 09:51.14 | __michael | kib Then, if nothing else, strace should give you enough data to determine where it's failing and why ... but that can be a lot of output to look at. It may be relatively efficient to only trace from just before issuing the command that fails, and stop the trace after the failure - that way you don't have as much data to sift through. |
| 09:51.18 | m0p | I suck at math, 4gb in 4kb blocks is 4294967296 blocks right? |
| 09:51.18 | simonrvn | @lart spam bots |
| 09:51.20 | m0p | or not? |
| 09:51.28 | streuner | strange, i use the version in sarge now, it works... |
| 09:51.29 | kib | resiak: yesand as I said befor enothign stood out form the conf file |
| 09:51.35 | resiak | m0p: 4 * 1024 * 1024 |
| 09:51.38 | Inkvisitor | simonrvn: it could be a builtin module .. (won't show with lsmod) ? |
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| 09:51.40 | m0p | ok |
| 09:51.46 | kib | __michael: so you know I can delte rename and so whatever if I ssh in |
| 09:51.51 | kib | with same username |
| 09:51.56 | resiak | kib: So read the manpage and find out if that behaviour is the default, and how you change it. |
| 09:52.00 | simonrvn | Inkvisitor: possible |
| 09:52.20 | kib | resiak: according to the man page and the conf file its default to allow overwirte and delete if file system permissions allow |
| 09:52.22 | simonrvn | check your /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 09:52.32 | kib | and file system permissions do because I can overwirte and delete in a shell |
| 09:52.45 | streuner | and the version in sid works now too :-) |
| 09:53.23 | kib | everything I am reading here in man pages (ftpaccess, ftpd, ftp) and in the config file /etc/ftpd/ftpacceess all point to the fact it should work as I expected right now but its not |
| 09:53.24 | resiak | kib: Have you looked at your ftp server's logs? They almost certainly record failed attempts to rm a file. |
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| 09:53.42 | __michael | m0p echo '4*1024*1024*1024/(4*1024)' | bc -l --> 1048576 |
| 09:53.49 | Bebabo | is it possible to su w/o needing filesystem write access ? (my fs is r/o atm and i'd like to reboot to fix that) |
| 09:53.51 | m0p | hmm, it keeps saying that "/dev/hdc is entire device". but hdc1 says that the device don't exist |
| 09:54.09 | kib | resiak: there seems to be no other logs then /var/logs/messages |
| 09:54.15 | kib | and it only reports logins and file transfers |
| 09:54.21 | resiak | kib: Interesting. |
| 09:54.30 | kib | and it records that failed overwirte and deletes but doesnt say why |
| 09:54.32 | streuner | after rebooting the box |
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| 09:54.44 | simonrvn | Bebabo: you might get errors but i doubt you won't be able to su |
| 09:54.49 | resiak | kib: /j #flood and paste your ftp config (sans comments and blank lines) |
| 09:54.50 | kib | I guess I need to add a bit more degugging levels to the ftpd linein inetd |
| 09:55.08 | Bebabo | i im unable to su completely (or login for that matter or ssh root or not) |
| 09:55.12 | __michael | kib If you can do it as that user with ssh, but not via ftp, that limits it to your ftp server and its configuration. |
| 09:55.14 | simonrvn | kib: hint to do what resiak said, read #flood's topic |
| 09:55.30 | __michael | kib I have wu-ftp server set up, I've not had problems with it. |
| 09:55.32 | Bebabo | su: -bash: /bin/su: Input/output error |
| 09:55.42 | m0p | hmmm |
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| 09:56.04 | resiak | simonrvn: Guess what? He didn't... |
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| 09:56.10 | simonrvn | yup |
| 09:56.28 | drac | Bebabo: File system error, harddisk not connected, harddisk broken .. |
| 09:56.29 | m0p | anyone help me? |
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| 09:56.34 | simonrvn | Bebabo: strange. disk fuckage |
| 09:56.41 | Bebabo | my fs is read-only atm. |
| 09:56.41 | simonrvn | or fs |
| 09:56.51 | simonrvn | that wouldn't cause that |
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| 09:57.13 | ordimini | please Ban BuLL he sends some pub "BuLL http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos" |
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| 09:57.23 | drac | ordimini: yes, but you don't have to repeat the spam in public. |
| 09:57.43 | ordimini | sorry drac ;) |
| 09:57.43 | simonrvn | ordimini: um, you didn't need to *help* it by spamming the crap in here |
| 09:58.01 | ordimini | ok that's good I've got it now ;) |
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| 09:58.10 | simonrvn | :) |
| 09:58.13 | m0p | hum, stupid question here but what is the default block size of swap? |
| 09:58.20 | cafuego | !ops BuLL That same damn spammer |
| 09:58.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: BuLL That same damn spammer |
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| 09:58.33 | kuru | I'm looking for some sort of CISCO firewall for a small (24 points) network |
| 09:58.44 | kuru | why is 'BuLL' spamming me? |
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| 09:59.06 | streuner | kuru: they need money? ;-) |
| 09:59.12 | kuru | ah.. |
| 09:59.22 | kuru | okay, so .. any particular recommendations? |
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| 09:59.52 | dondelelcaro | kuru: try asking #cisco... this is #debian. |
| 10:00.09 | streuner | kuru: or use 'usenet' (groups.google.com) |
| 10:00.16 | kuru | whoa! there is #cisco! |
| 10:00.18 | cafuego | kuru: Buy a 24 port switch and a small firewall appliance. |
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| 10:00.18 | kuru | awesome |
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| 10:00.32 | kuru | cafuego, yeah, like which one? I have the switch already |
| 10:00.34 | simonrvn | contrary to popluar belief, this channel isn't a catch-all channel |
| 10:00.40 | simonrvn | popular* |
| 10:01.00 | kuru | dondelelcaro, I usually ask #debian folks cause it has the highest density of knowledgeable people ;) |
| 10:01.17 | Shorty` | resiak: die. |
| 10:01.18 | Shorty` | :P |
| 10:01.19 | kuru | and it depends on the mood, sometimes I get yelled at like now.. and sometimes no one notices ;) |
| 10:01.21 | simonrvn | @spank resiak |
| 10:01.25 | resiak | :D |
| 10:01.34 | simonrvn | heh heh heh |
| 10:01.44 | kib | resiak: its not even loading the ftpaccess or any other config file by defaultit seems |
| 10:01.46 | kib | per man page |
| 10:01.48 | kib | If the -A option is specified, use of the ftpaccess(5) configuration file is disabled. This is the default. |
| 10:02.00 | sepski | kuru, and nobody uses ciscos unless they are burdened with too much money... or management.. |
| 10:02.03 | resiak | kib: ...perhaps enable the conf file? I don't know. |
| 10:02.05 | simonrvn | um |
| 10:02.24 | kib | well actually according to the config file everything that is deault should allow me to do this |
| 10:02.31 | kuru | sepski, we are burdened with too much money ;) |
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| 10:03.01 | sepski | kuru, well ... in that case i could alway offer my assistance... in lightinening your burden |
| 10:03.18 | kuru | sepski, any alternative recommendations? (not the full pc as firewall setup though, no space for that) |
| 10:03.31 | sepski | kuru, look at the pix series, for only 24 ports anything will work |
| 10:03.57 | __michael | kib Maybe try a new config file, or a quite minimal one. At least confirm it's using the config file ... and if you get one that at least works for what isn't working for you now, then you can isolate what needs to change. |
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| 10:05.46 | kib | __michael: apparently its not using any config file butrunning form normal defaults |
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| 10:06.05 | kib | which seems normal to me since wu-ftpd in my expericen has never needed a config file |
| 10:06.34 | kib | I am having ahrd time finding out where strace is even outputting its debugging info right now |
| 10:06.39 | __michael | kib Did you mention you're launching it via inetd or xinetd? If so, is the [x]inetd.conf file using or defaulting to superuser (root) to launch the ftpd process? |
| 10:06.39 | sepski | kuru, well www.astaro.com if i had to have an apliance that small |
| 10:07.26 | __michael | kib Well, mine sure uses a config file ... but I run it in daemon mode, not from [x]inetd. |
| 10:07.35 | kib | __michael: its starting via inetd yes |
| 10:08.02 | kib | __michael: I have used wu-ftpd on bsd boxes for as long as its beein in the bsd base system..(cant recall now) and its never used any config files |
| 10:08.09 | __michael | kib I think by default strace does it's output to stderr. There's an option to send the output elsewhere. |
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| 10:08.27 | kib | other then optional ones like /etc/ftpusers (users without shells) and /etc/ftpchroot |
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| 10:08.56 | kib | __michael: being its running fomr inside of inetd I guess stderr is /dev/null |
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| 10:09.04 | kib | or the main console which I can't see |
| 10:09.15 | kib | Iw ill have to run ftpd in the forground I geuss |
| 10:09.15 | cafuego | how odd is a wific ard that gets a dns and gateway IP via dhcp, but not its own ip? |
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| 10:09.37 | simonrvn | very |
| 10:09.40 | __michael | kib I think the Debian default has it set up as daemon, not invoked via [x]inetd. You might try that and see if you can get it to work that way ... then if you want to, proceed from there to figure out what you may need to do to have it work via [x]inetd. |
| 10:10.36 | __michael | kib Ah, the strace? ... do that from command line with -p option to trace the process at the appropriate time. Look over the man page for strace. |
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| 10:12.03 | kib | __michael: well I just got this installs from a datacenter and it was setup in inetd |
| 10:12.19 | kib | so I can't say for sure if this is the debian deault or something this datacenter doeson their images |
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| 10:12.51 | whatever | hi all,good afternoon |
| 10:12.58 | __michael | kib Doesn't sound likd Debian default to me, ... but I might be incorrect, ... is this woody, or sarge, or sid, or ??? |
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| 10:13.41 | __michael | whatever good <greeting time> to you too. |
| 10:13.45 | whatever | I have a question sorry ....'sorry for inconvenience',or 'sorry for inconvenient',which one on earth is correct in english ? |
| 10:14.05 | whatever | hi michael,howdy ya |
| 10:14.20 | iceman | sorry for the |
| 10:14.21 | __michael | whatever inconvenience ... and your Debian question is? |
| 10:14.23 | iceman | or sorry for any |
| 10:14.42 | whatever | I see,thank you very much |
| 10:15.03 | whatever | Currently i do not have troubles about using debian ....will have i think |
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| 10:15.11 | whatever | bye :) |
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| 10:15.25 | rixth | Does anyone know of an ACTIVE html channel? #html is dead. |
| 10:15.34 | rixth | (Or could anyone hlep me? ^_^) |
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| 10:18.19 | kombi | what was the setting again to forwards root mails? |
| 10:18.19 | kib | __michael: none of those names mean anythignto me |
| 10:18.23 | kib | I know its v ersion 3.0 |
| 10:18.26 | kib | accordingto webmin |
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| 10:18.51 | resiak | kombi: vim /etc/aliases |
| 10:18.51 | __michael | kib That's Woody. |
| 10:19.01 | kombi | thanks! |
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| 10:19.28 | resiak | kombi: (Yes, using vim _is_ essential.) |
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| 10:20.30 | __michael | kib I've probably got the same, or nearly the same version of wu-ftp installed (2.6.2-3woody4) |
| 10:21.08 | ik-obsd | alguien habla espaniol? |
| 10:21.20 | __michael | Naw, ... ed, and nvi ;-) |
| 10:21.26 | drac | !es |
| 10:21.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:21.39 | ik-obsd | oh ok |
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| 10:21.45 | gogosys | hi |
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| 10:22.05 | kib | Version wu-2.6.2(1) Sat Feb 26 16:26:02 UTC 2005 |
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| 10:23.27 | kib | __michael: also with strace it seems to be not seeing the actual ftp session itself |
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| 10:23.39 | kib | it sees the login attempt and then ftpd seems to fork off child process |
| 10:23.46 | kib | and strace isnt watching the chile process |
| 10:24.00 | kib | Iw ill have to tryto attach it using the -p after the ftp session is started |
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| 10:24.37 | __michael | kib man strace ... I think -f will have it follow child process(es). |
| 10:25.13 | __michael | $ cat ~/bin/Strace --> exec strace -fv -eall -s2048 ${1+"$@"} |
| 10:25.19 | CroatianNinja | !tar |
| 10:25.19 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 10:26.49 | kib | __michael: I got it with the -p after ftp was started |
| 10:26.59 | kib | now I got the strace outbot but I can't seem to see why its failing |
| 10:27.47 | __michael | kib Since you seemed to already determine access to the file without going through wu-ftpd is okay, may want to work on concentrating on the wu-ftpd configuration and such. |
| 10:27.55 | kib | one care to help me decipher this strace? |
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| 10:28.14 | kib | __michael: I have a completly empty config fil enow |
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| 10:28.31 | kib | and it still is doing the same thing |
| 10:28.32 | pek | anyone know why openoffice spreadsheet turn the months I type with captial letter to lower-case? I type April and it autocorrects to april |
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| 10:28.56 | kib | the strace shows no checking of permissions that I can tell |
| 10:29.04 | Inkvisitor | do anyone know what I should have installed if I want configure scripts to detecy TUN/TAP support correctly? |
| 10:29.07 | kib | whether from ftpd config file or file system |
| 10:29.29 | wtf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:30.02 | m0p | darnit. I need to delete that filesystem |
| 10:30.06 | m0p | how do I do that? |
| 10:30.59 | kib | I don tknow where else to go here...configs are all 100% default (emptied) and the strace turned up nothing I can see of interest |
| 10:31.00 | m0p | and how many blocks is 5gb on a ext3 system? |
| 10:31.02 | war- | I use two Debian apt repositories, the normal one and nerim.net, how do I list all packages of ONLY nerim.net w/apt-cache? |
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| 10:31.23 | [sr] | hi |
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| 10:31.43 | __michael | m0p 5gb/blocksize |
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| 10:31.51 | [sr] | does anyone has an working example of a reverse lookup zone file? |
| 10:31.51 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 10:32.11 | kib | [sr]: for bind9? I have all sorts of zone files here |
| 10:32.18 | [sr] | yap |
| 10:32.21 | [sr] | bind9 :) |
| 10:32.28 | [sr] | i'm, trying to combine dhcpd+bind9 |
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| 10:32.38 | sstas | hi |
| 10:32.51 | GoneWacko | =/ Something is off with ALSA. When it starts @ boot time, I suddenly get an annoying buzzing noise coming from my speakers :( I'm googling my ass off but nothing works, and nobody in #alsa is responding. Anyone here have a clue ? :) |
| 10:32.54 | paulswm | m0p: (1) which filesystem, and (2) your filesystem block size can be found by 'tune2fs -l /dev/... |grep ^Block' |
| 10:32.58 | Virtual | I need libkio-gcc-2.96 ... how can I install it |
| 10:32.59 | Virtual | ? |
| 10:33.14 | m0p | I have a ext3 filesystem on /dev/sda1 |
| 10:33.20 | __michael | [sr] If you've got Debian bind installed, you can probably peek at /etc/bind/db.127 |
| 10:33.31 | daffy-pkf | i have this keyboard problem again (my shift, alt and alt-gr keys doesn't work under xwindow), can anyone help? i found nothing in the bts, and i'd like to be sure the bug is not me before reporting it |
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| 10:34.23 | daffy-pkf | in my xorg.conf, my keyboard is set to layout "fr", and to 104 keys |
| 10:34.56 | daffy-pkf | and i also tried a "apt-get install --reinstall xlibs xlibs-data" wich solved the problem last time |
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| 10:35.23 | daffy-pkf | please... help, this is really annoying |
| 10:35.55 | liable | daffy-pkf: using ubuntu? |
| 10:36.10 | daffy-pkf | ho, might be good to know, i'm using sid |
| 10:36.24 | cahoot | GoneWacko: not a simple matter of mixer settings - like bass turned up to max? |
| 10:36.44 | daffy-pkf | liable> what is ubuntu? a debian-based distrib? |
| 10:37.14 | paulswm | daffy-pkf: It;s a distro which isn't debian |
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| 10:37.24 | eps | thanks drac :) nvidia drivers working now |
| 10:37.25 | GoneWacko | cahoot: nope, I'm looking at the mixer atm and the only two settings turned up to the max are "Volume" and "PCM", and when I move PCM to 0, i still get the noise, but when I move Volume down it works ;p) |
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| 10:37.51 | daffy-pkf | paulswm> ho ok |
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| 10:38.21 | GoneWacko | cahoot: hmm strange, when I move the CD setting to 0 the buzz goes away :O |
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| 10:38.36 | paulswm | daffy-pkf: It is kind of debian based, but it isn't debian re. getting support here |
| 10:39.01 | m0p | If I make a new FS on /dev/sda1, will it just overwrite the old one? |
| 10:39.02 | __michael | kib Did you try the -d and/or -v options to the server? |
| 10:39.34 | m0p | and, 1310720 blocks is correct for a standard 5gb ext3 system right? |
| 10:39.38 | daffy-pkf | paulswm> ok i see, anyway i don't use it, i'm running debian sid |
| 10:39.57 | kib | __michael: yes |
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| 10:40.29 | m0p | anyone? |
| 10:40.42 | cahoot | GoneWacko: does the muted CD setting haveany ill effect? |
| 10:40.49 | kib | ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/wu-ftpd -l -d -v |
| 10:40.51 | paulswm | daffy-pkf: I understand, the reason you got the question is that we often see folks who are running stuff like ubuntu but they won't always say and it wastes a lot of time |
| 10:41.10 | daffy-pkf | paulswm> ok i understand that too |
| 10:42.28 | daffy-pkf | but my keyboard still going to make me become crazy, apparently this happens every time i do a dist-upgrade... and every time i spend hours to fix it |
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| 10:42.59 | __michael | m0p Yes, it'll essentially overwrite you old filesystem ... won't wipe all the data, but the old data will be effecively trashed. |
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| 10:43.22 | CroatianNinja | what is the name of the package for opengl headers? |
| 10:43.23 | m0p | that was kind of the aim :P |
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| 10:44.27 | greister | where to download debian's package of php5? |
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| 10:45.38 | __michael | kib Were you able to confirm it reads the configuration file(s) at all? ... e.g. by seeing the atimes on the files updated, or something else that confirms they're at least getting read? |
| 10:45.39 | m0p | what is the default blocksize for swap? |
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| 10:46.03 | m0p | 1kb? |
| 10:46.24 | appaji | !php5 |
| 10:46.25 | dpkg | php5 is, like, at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 10:46.31 | CroatianNinja | !opengl |
| 10:46.32 | dpkg | methinks opengl is (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html. There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about mesa |
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| 10:46.39 | bbrazil | m0p: your pagesize |
| 10:46.56 | appaji | dpkg, tell greister about php5 |
| 10:46.56 | m0p | enlighten me... |
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| 10:47.14 | m00p | m0p: probably 4k |
| 10:47.21 | m0p | How do I find out my pagesize? |
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| 10:47.30 | pingouin | good question |
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| 10:47.36 | m0p | ooh, someone has a similar name to me :o |
| 10:47.44 | bbrazil | m0p: what architecture are you on? |
| 10:47.50 | m0p | x86 |
| 10:48.04 | m0p | to be specific, 686 |
| 10:48.05 | roam | Having trouble getting phpmyadmin running. Getting error: The requested URL /cgi-bin/php/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server. |
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| 10:48.33 | roam | can't find any reference to cgi-bin in phpmyadmin dir. |
| 10:48.40 | bbrazil | then its 4k |
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| 10:49.15 | m0p | ok |
| 10:49.16 | bbrazil | m0p: are you running mkswap? |
| 10:49.23 | m0p | yeah |
| 10:49.42 | bbrazil | m0p: only give the device name, the defaults are fine. see warning in the manpage |
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| 10:49.50 | talash | Hi all! |
| 10:49.50 | kib | __michael: I confimred it reads no configuration file unless I tell it to explicitily |
| 10:49.53 | m0p | hmmm |
| 10:49.59 | talash | How do I set up a server name in smb.conf? |
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| 10:50.20 | m0p | Damnit, and I set aside 1gb for a swap partition! :o |
| 10:50.22 | streuner | talash: #samba |
| 10:50.23 | daffy-pkf | nobody knows how i could fix that keyboard problem? |
| 10:50.35 | m0p | what will it default to, the whole device? |
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| 10:50.45 | bbrazil | m0p: yes |
| 10:50.46 | m00p | talash: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html |
| 10:50.50 | m0p | ahh good |
| 10:51.09 | talash | m00p: I read it and could not find anything there. |
| 10:51.15 | bbrazil | m0p: small thing to check - have you rebooted since last modifying your partition table? |
| 10:51.32 | __michael | daffy-pkf Was that under X again ... some of your modifier keys? |
| 10:51.33 | streuner | daffy-pkf: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:52.23 | m0p | bb, no. But this is a new disk. I am experimenting trying to create something by hand. |
| 10:52.34 | daffy-pkf | __michael> yes, shift, alt and alt-gr don't work |
| 10:52.35 | bbrazil | m0p: have you mounted anything on it? |
| 10:52.37 | m0p | It probably won't work, but hey, I'm bored so it don't really matter. |
| 10:52.39 | m0p | bb, no. |
| 10:53.08 | daffy-pkf | streuner> ii xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 |
| 10:53.34 | bbrazil | m0p: you're probably okay then. you have to reboot for the kernel to pick up partition changes that occur after you've used a partition. if there's no data on it its less of a worry |
| 10:53.48 | daffy-pkf | streuner> might be good to know that i use the dri opensource driver for my graphic card, so it use xorg |
| 10:54.22 | __michael | daffy-pkf xmodmap can likely fix it, ... you might also look into xev ... there's another utility I'm trying to remember the name of too ... |
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| 10:56.00 | m00p | talash: netbios name |
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| 10:58.02 | peej | I'm getting "segmentation fault" when I try to start sylpheed. This happened after no previous problem. It may have been due to a screwy picking up of email attachment. |
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| 10:58.55 | peej | I have upgraded to sylpheed 1.0.4-1 now, but still no luck. |
| 11:00.13 | DwyaneWade | read the source the file and try to repair the error by yourself |
| 11:00.18 | daffy-pkf | __michael> i don't think it's normal to deal with xmodmap and such for this problem... ir worked well before and i never touched those apps |
| 11:00.21 | peej | hmmm. chameleon (a wallpaper app) is barfing too. |
| 11:00.37 | peej | s/barfin/segmentation faulting/ |
| 11:00.58 | SuperSox | peej: then it is likely a larger problem than just the individual apps |
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| 11:01.17 | daffy-pkf | __michael> but... i'll take a look at it if i don't find anything else |
| 11:01.23 | __michael | daffy-pkf Yes, normally you wouldn't have to mess with those. Does the problem persist across invocations of the X server? |
| 11:01.33 | appaji | if I, as a user, change the sound settings using alamixer, would they be save automatically? I am not able to save the alsamixer settings and they seem to change automagically. |
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| 11:02.11 | __michael | daffy-pkf There's some GUI interactive tool for mucking about with X keyboard settings too, ... I can't remembe the name of the utility off the top of my head though, ... and not finding it with a quick casual search. |
| 11:02.13 | daffy-pkf | __michael> yes, and it seems to appear each time i do a dist-upgrade, last time i solved it by reinstalling xlibs and xlibs-data, but it don't work this time |
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| 11:02.15 | SuperSox | pcmcia cardmgr is picking it up fine, but its not mapping to /dev/modem like it should, dmesg and /var/log/messages is telling me nothing its rather frustrating |
| 11:02.21 | SuperSox | err |
| 11:02.24 | SuperSox | miss-fire |
| 11:02.24 | drac | appaji: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base, and you'll get options about saving mixer settings. |
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| 11:02.41 | daffy-pkf | __michael> hmmm, such a gui could be usefull |
| 11:02.49 | SuperSox | acctually, its not a miss-fire |
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| 11:03.20 | peej | SuperSox: a library corruption? any idea how I can figure out where the problem is? |
| 11:03.26 | __michael | daffy-pkf It's semi-useful, ... that utility would be more useful if it had a substantially more intuitive interface, ... but it's still fairly useful, ... I'm still poking around to see if I can find it. |
| 11:03.31 | SuperSox | peej: sorry, I don't :( |
| 11:04.03 | SuperSox | peej: there is some way of tracing what is being called, I've forgotten how its done, but perhaps that would help? |
| 11:04.09 | __michael | daffy-pkf It's a fairly standard X utility ... you might find it as fast or faster than I with some suitable Google searches, looking at relevant FAQs/HOWTOs, etc. |
| 11:04.37 | daffy-pkf | __michael> yes, i'm looking for it |
| 11:04.37 | SuperSox | peej: strace i think |
| 11:04.45 | __michael | peej strace perhaps? |
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| 11:05.24 | daffy-pkf | __michael> xkbsel? |
| 11:05.26 | m00p | peej: ldd |
| 11:05.31 | SuperSox | anyone got any ideas on my pcmcia problem? inserting a card, it shows up fine, but fails to get any sort of dev entry, dmesg and /var/logs/messages are quiet on the issue |
| 11:05.34 | appaji | drac: I configured it such that settings are always autosaved |
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| 11:06.13 | __michael | daffy-pkf xkeycaps |
| 11:06.38 | appaji | drac: but I did an alsa restart and /var/lib/alsa/asound.state seems not to have changed. The older settings got restored. |
| 11:06.41 | fbeyer | What is the best/fastest protocoll to transfer files in the local network? FTP? SCP? SMB? |
| 11:06.41 | Starfury^ | system is running on a athlon xp atm, with i believe a k7 kernel i want to move it onto a Athlon Thunderbird... whats the best way |
| 11:06.58 | drac | appaji: I'm using that setting, and it does 'alsactl store' now on shutdown.. |
| 11:07.01 | __michael | "Now, why xkeycaps is in /usr/bin, rather than /usr/bin/X11 ... anyway, on Woody it's in /usr/bin. |
| 11:07.01 | daffy-pkf | __michael> thanks |
| 11:07.09 | SuperSox | fbeyer: i'd imagine ftp, less overheads |
| 11:07.43 | appaji | drac: I got it now. I did a sudo /etc/init.d/alsa start and not a restart. |
| 11:07.51 | __michael | fbeyer best is subjective depending on criteria. Speed might also depend on the data, speed of storage devices, and network. |
| 11:07.53 | peej | SuperSox: you may be able to get more info using syslog at a higher setting? |
| 11:07.57 | appaji | drac: works fine now. I'm able to save the settings :-) |
| 11:08.03 | drac | great |
| 11:08.09 | SuperSox | Starfury^: use a live cd, reboot and recompile your kernel from there |
| 11:08.12 | SuperSox | Starfury^: at a guess |
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| 11:08.21 | peej | m00p : ta |
| 11:08.23 | SuperSox | peej: any suggestions on how to do that? :x |
| 11:08.30 | appaji | drac: however, what I wonder is, is it possible to have these settings on a per-user basis? |
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| 11:08.37 | fbeyer | __michael: Right. I want to transfer large files (cd images) from my laptop to my server |
| 11:08.48 | phill` | hi, is there a way to remove a package and all it's dependencies? |
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| 11:09.05 | lvdz | hello |
| 11:09.06 | drac | appaji: Dunno. |
| 11:09.23 | appaji | drac: NM :-) |
| 11:09.24 | peej | SuperSox : man syslog.conf , it's a setting in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 11:09.27 | __michael | fbeyer FTP would likely be pretty fast ... rsync could be advantageous if they're updates to existing older images. |
| 11:09.33 | SuperSox | peej: ah okay, thanks :) |
| 11:09.48 | __michael | fbeyer ... if you want security, there's ssh/scp/sftp |
| 11:10.52 | __michael | fbeyer depending on data, CPUs, etc., it may or may not be faster to compress and uncompress at each end of the transfer ... and optimal compression may also depend on various factors (tightest compression tends to take most time/CPU). |
| 11:11.13 | fbeyer | __michael: thx. security is less important. I'll stick to ftp |
| 11:11.34 | appaji | __michael: I think fbeyer can even use ssh with rsync. |
| 11:11.48 | __michael | appaji Yup. |
| 11:12.24 | fbeyer | OK i'll try that when i find the time ;-) ATM all i need is speed ^^ |
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| 11:13.05 | __michael | fbeyer I the network is slow, compression will help considerably, ... if you don't care much about security of the transfer ... you could do rsh with whatever compression/uncompression you want on each end ... and also whatever archiving too (if you want to preserve ownerships and/or mtimes and the like). |
| 11:13.26 | appaji | fbeyer: you can enable compression with ssh and use that with rsync. |
| 11:13.52 | cahoot | appaji: alsactl can use any specified config file |
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| 11:14.08 | fbeyer | wow. thx. I'll read some docs about that. |
| 11:14.34 | appaji | fbeyer: rsync does block based checks to see if files have changed. Very useful in case you are mirroring files that have only few changes in them. |
| 11:14.59 | SuperSox | peej: nah that didn't help any :( |
| 11:15.11 | __michael | fbeyer You could use dd to copy off a portion of one of the image files, and try various methods on that to see what transfers it fastest - note that due to operating system caching, reads after the first one will typically be a bit faster in many cases, as typically they wouldn't need to reread the disk data - at least if it's sufficiently small relative to memory |
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| 11:16.08 | Starfury^ | SuperSox: so cant just use apt-get to go from a 2.6.10 k7 kernel to a 2.6.10 386 kernel? |
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| 11:16.33 | SuperSox | Starfury^: possibly, I honestly don't know |
| 11:16.34 | appaji | cahoot: Ah, so I guess individual users can restore / save their settings. |
| 11:16.42 | cahoot | correct |
| 11:16.43 | SuperSox | Starfury^: it depends what order you'd want to do things in i guess |
| 11:16.59 | appaji | cahoot: I looked at the man pages as well just now, thanks much :-) |
| 11:17.37 | SuperSox | humm, I fear I may have to post my question in debian-laptops or somewhere similer |
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| 11:18.35 | peej | supersox : dev/modem is ln -s to ? |
| 11:18.47 | SuperSox | peej: nowhere :( |
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| 11:19.38 | SuperSox | peej: what is supposed to happen, is that I insert the card and /dev/modem is adjusted accordingly, but no such luck. I'm assuming that the card has been put on a /dev/ttyS? but which one, I don't know |
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| 11:20.19 | yahalom | how do i make my spool directory to be mode 01777? |
| 11:20.43 | SuperSox | anyway, I'm out to get a shower and some lunch |
| 11:20.44 | SuperSox | laters people |
| 11:20.45 | SuperSox | :) |
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| 11:21.31 | paulswm | Starfury^: are you just changing the CPU, or are you talking about installing onto a different box? |
| 11:21.35 | jethro | moin |
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| 11:22.01 | __michael | yahalom # chmod 1777 spooldirectory |
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| 11:22.11 | paulswm | Starfury^: And a Thunderbird is a K7 anyway |
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| 11:22.43 | yahalom | __michael, thanx |
| 11:22.50 | classic-al | Hi, I'm new to this irc thing, am using debian testing, and am trying xchat, can't get DCC to work - I get "DCC pending set client to recieve" messages any help/advice/recommendations appreciated |
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| 11:23.02 | paulswm | Starfury^: I have a Thunderbird and an XP 2000+ Barton core, both running on k7 kernels |
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| 11:23.25 | Unskill3d | hmm does somebody know the option for locking the screen in wine? |
| 11:23.35 | paulswm | s/Barton/Thorton/ |
| 11:23.38 | Unskill3d | cuz i can scroll out of wine |
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| 11:23.43 | Unskill3d | on my desktop |
| 11:23.46 | skip_ | so now that RC5 is out, have Sid and Sarge changed, or are they still unstable and testing repsectively? |
| 11:23.55 | Unskill3d | u know what i mean ? |
| 11:24.26 | cahoot | classic-al: there's an irc channel for xchat - #xchat |
| 11:24.28 | paulswm | skip_: same, and sid is *always* unstalbe, code name doesn't change |
| 11:24.45 | __michael | skip_ 3.0r5 mostly only impacts "Woody". |
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| 11:24.55 | classic-al | thanks - I'll try there |
| 11:25.01 | skip_ | gotcha, so no need to change anything if I still the testing repos |
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| 11:26.55 | paulswm | People could just look at the debian home page and click on available releases. *sigh* |
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| 11:27.32 | Phated | Far too sensible. |
| 11:27.39 | killer_st | helo. how do i install gcc-3.4 under debian? i thought 'apt-get install gcc-3.4' should work, but it's not.. |
| 11:28.09 | m00p | killer_st: use aptitude, easier |
| 11:28.09 | liable | killer_st: and the error is? |
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| 11:28.35 | m00p | killer_st: as in you can search |
| 11:29.22 | Starfury^ | paulswm: moving HD to a new box |
| 11:29.30 | killer_st | error is that it cannot find that package :) |
| 11:29.45 | Starfury^ | so athlon tbird and xp both k7/ |
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| 11:29.53 | paulswm | Starfury^: Do you use a debian kernel image |
| 11:29.56 | Starfury^ | well and old box |
| 11:30.00 | paulswm | Starfury^: Yes |
| 11:30.00 | Starfury^ | yeah standard image |
| 11:30.11 | paulswm | Starfury^: Then you should be OK, I think |
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| 11:31.06 | liable | killer_st: new install? |
| 11:31.14 | Starfury^ | sweet as |
| 11:31.18 | Starfury^ | ok other small difference |
| 11:31.24 | Starfury^ | graphics |
| 11:31.41 | Starfury^ | current system has a geforce 4 with dual output |
| 11:31.45 | Starfury^ | new one has gf2 single |
| 11:31.53 | killer_st | i've just installed stable debian release, and was surprised that it has such old gcc.. |
| 11:31.55 | Starfury^ | just remove xinerama ? |
| 11:32.13 | killer_st | actually i would like to test the TLS (thread-local-storage) feature |
| 11:32.18 | paulswm | Starfury^: I don't know |
| 11:32.25 | Starfury^ | k |
| 11:32.28 | Phated | Ehm... Stable isn't going to have the latest gcc. |
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| 11:32.44 | liable | killer_st: you have http or ftp repos, in sources? |
| 11:32.47 | killer_st | 3.3 is not latest.. |
| 11:32.49 | paulswm | Starfury^: But you can figure that out when you get there, your box should boot OK and you'll have a concole to work from |
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| 11:33.24 | liable | killer_st: stable? |
| 11:33.36 | paulswm | killer_st: Are you setting up a desktop, or an internet-facing server? If a desktop, then use sarge (testing), not woody |
| 11:33.54 | m00p | killer_st: gcc 3 is in stable, anything higher in testing |
| 11:34.29 | paulswm | killer_st: If you have just installed, I recommend doing a new sarge netinstall rather than upgrading from woody |
| 11:34.50 | liable | killer_st: no gcc-3.4 in stable |
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| 11:36.35 | m00p | liable: no its not, 3.4 is in testing |
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| 11:37.01 | liable | m00p: erm, isnt that what I said ;) |
| 11:37.23 | m00p | liable: opps soz, mis read that, diddnt see the no |
| 11:37.31 | paulswm | :P |
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| 11:40.55 | m00p | Jel: u in belfast? |
| 11:41.11 | Jel | m00p: yep :) |
| 11:41.19 | Jel | m00p: well, close. |
| 11:41.26 | m00p | wow didnt know ntl were in NI, cool |
| 11:42.33 | m00p | i need to get back to NI some time, been 2 long :) |
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| 11:43.28 | bug_code | Hi everybody...please...somebody can help me this configuration after installation??? |
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| 11:43.57 | bug_code | I have the message in boot:"SIOCSFFLAGS temporary unavaliable" |
| 11:44.09 | phill` | hi, is there a way to remove a package and all it's dependencies? |
| 11:44.13 | Jel | guys... just tried to reconfigure my ethernet link after using only wireless for a long time. Suddenly, ifconfig is reporting 32 hex digits for the mac code, and gives UNSPEC for the encap field. connecting it doesn't light up the link light on my router either. Is there something new I should know? |
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| 11:44.19 | drac | phill`: apt-get remove package |
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| 11:44.37 | bug_code | somebody can help me |
| 11:44.50 | bug_code | I can't use my ethernet card |
| 11:45.02 | phill` | drac: that doesn't remove all the deps |
| 11:45.08 | drac | phill`: yes it does. |
| 11:45.31 | phill` | well for me, it just uninstalled the one package |
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| 11:45.46 | DIOS | bug_code, use ifconfig |
| 11:45.49 | drac | and nothing else, cause no other package depended on it. |
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| 11:46.14 | drac | 'all the deps' |
| 11:46.21 | bug_code | DIOS, hi |
| 11:46.30 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/272341 this is from /etc/X11/xorg.comf how do i need to modify it to make right win key act as a third level chooser? |
| 11:46.31 | bug_code | my problem is.. |
| 11:46.33 | DIOS | hi bug_code, more easy is netcardconfig |
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| 11:46.39 | help_me | Help my web site. Click on the banner. Thank you! >> http://sitedemickael.chez.tiscali.fr/help.htm |
| 11:46.48 | Jel | phill`: deborphan might be some help. Otherwise, you could do something like apt-get ---purge remove `apt-cache depends packagename` |
| 11:46.49 | bug_code | i can't use ifconfig because I use a differente DHCP to internet acess |
| 11:46.51 | phill` | *Sigh*. fuckit. you useless bastard. |
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| 11:47.07 | SuperSox | ops ban help_me |
| 11:47.09 | SuperSox | or whatever. |
| 11:47.19 | bug_code | like dpkg-reconfigure netcardconfig ? |
| 11:47.25 | Phated | !ops help_me spamming |
| 11:47.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: help_me spamming |
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| 11:47.52 | SuperSox | Phated: splendid. |
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| 11:47.52 | Phated | Go caphuso. |
| 11:47.59 | m00p | cool |
| 11:48.10 | caphuso | Phated: no, thanks, i prefer to make other people go ;-) |
| 11:48.20 | Phated | caphuso: Hah. |
| 11:48.51 | xam | caphuso: is that why you don't shower that often? ;-P |
| 11:49.16 | Jel | anyone know why my nic is suddenly giving 32 hex digits in it's mac instead of 16? |
| 11:50.46 | tarzeau | Jel: nvidia? |
| 11:51.06 | Jel | tarzeau: no, sungem -- internal nic on an ibook |
| 11:51.54 | Jel | tarzeau: why? Have you seen something similar on an nvidia card? |
| 11:52.17 | xam | Jel: I only get 16byte MACs when I use a Wifi WDS link / HostAP. For normal ethernet you should only get 6byte MACs. 32bytes is most likely a bug I'd guess :) |
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| 11:53.16 | Jel | xammu: hmm. It does look buggish I suppose, like it's formatted less well than the rest of the output. |
| 11:53.44 | Jel | I guess I'll go hunt for bugs :) |
| 11:53.46 | peej | I am getting segfaults for chameleon and sylpheed. I dunno anything about strace and ldd, so I am looking glumly at the output now quite cluelessly wondering how to fix the problem. the segfault for sylpheed seems to be linked to having a weird mail come in. |
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| 11:54.16 | caphuso | stupid USB crap |
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| 11:54.18 | marinos | why does why does libapache2-mod-php4 needs apache2-mpm-prefork and cant work with apache2-mpm-worker ? |
| 11:54.25 | peej | removing the entire mailbxo for sylpheed still gave a segfault |
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| 11:54.39 | caphuso | marinos: because it's not thread safe |
| 11:54.39 | Jel | marinos: php's libraries aren't thread-safe. |
| 11:54.41 | Gathond | marinos: iirc because php4 is not thread safe |
| 11:54.53 | marinos | Oh i see thank you |
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| 11:55.53 | caphuso | who or what doesn't want me to use sd_mod to access my usb mass storages devices? |
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| 11:57.05 | Unskill3d | i just tried to compile gaim 1.2.1 but while configure he exits with "checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... no" - so which packet i need to apt-get ? |
| 11:57.25 | Unskill3d | i thought ive got GTK+ 2 |
| 11:57.39 | Unskill3d | or do i need any devoloper packages ? |
| 11:57.49 | Jel | Unskill3d: yes :) |
| 11:58.07 | redduck666 | Unskill3d: you do know there is apt-get? |
| 11:58.17 | Jel | Unskill3d: libgtk2*-dev I think, but apt-get build-dep gaim :) |
| 11:58.36 | Jel | eek. What am I doing in here on a sunday? :) |
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| 12:00.02 | redduck666 | Jel: the same thing as all other geeks, messing with your computer |
| 12:00.11 | marinos | ...and suppose there will be no php thead support for a long time right ? |
| 12:00.11 | redduck666 | Jel: ;) |
| 12:00.21 | Unskill3d | Jel: sry i dont know the option build-dependencies jet. how does it work ? |
| 12:00.27 | Jel | I guess, but... |
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| 12:00.29 | Jel | dpkg sunday |
| 12:00.29 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 12:00.36 | tarzeau | Jel: yes on the nforce cards |
| 12:00.50 | tarzeau | Jel: with the linux driver. with the binary one it just worked (but that is non-free) |
| 12:01.05 | tarzeau | and a pain to install. and generally sucks |
| 12:01.21 | Jel | Unskill3d: package details include what packages are needed to build them, and it just uses that list. apt-cache show gaim :) |
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| 12:01.49 | Jel | tarzeau: hmm, ok, thanks. |
| 12:01.50 | gass | hello |
| 12:02.06 | gass | from building the splashy package, it turn out this: |
| 12:02.07 | Unskill3d | Jel: yes but this version isnt in the apt-list so i cant use it here right? |
| 12:02.09 | gass | /usr/bin/ld: Warning: size of symbol `main' changed from 156 in splashy-main.o to 66 in splashy-xml_parser.o |
| 12:02.09 | gass | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 12:02.09 | gass | make[3]: ** [splashy] Erro 1 |
| 12:02.09 | gass | make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/gass/squirrelmail/splashy/trunk/src' |
| 12:02.09 | gass | make[2]: ** [all-recursive] Erro 1 |
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| 12:02.14 | Unskill3d | Jel: i just downloaded the sources |
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| 12:02.26 | gass | sorry the flood |
| 12:02.37 | Jel | Unskill3d: you know you can just apt-get install gaim, right? |
| 12:02.59 | Unskill3d | Jel: yes but not version 1.2.1 |
| 12:03.06 | usn | hi all |
| 12:03.19 | tarzeau | hi usn |
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| 12:03.42 | valdyn | Unskill3d: 1.2.1 is in sid, so you may want to use that instead of compiling |
| 12:03.52 | Jel | Unskill3d: ahh, ok. You can normally still use the build-deps from a debian's package if you're building a slightly newer version from source. It'll get you a lot of the way at least. |
| 12:03.54 | redduck666 | Unskill3d: i'm using 1.2.1 and i got it by upgrading my gaim package |
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| 12:04.02 | Unskill3d | valdyn: oh cool sry guys |
| 12:04.06 | valdyn | !info gaim sarge |
| 12:04.09 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 858 kB, Installed size: 2144 kB |
| 12:04.10 | Unskill3d | next time ill have a look at sid too |
| 12:04.22 | valdyn | Unskill3d: nm, its een in sarge |
| 12:04.24 | valdyn | Unskill3d: nm, its even in sarge |
| 12:04.45 | Unskill3d | lol ? then my mirror didnt updated it |
| 12:05.03 | valdyn | Unskill3d: apt-get update && apt-cache show gaim |
| 12:05.07 | redduck666 | Unskill3d: you may wanna check out apt-spy |
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| 12:05.36 | wiler | anyone worked with latest version of openvpn? |
| 12:06.01 | gass | can anyone help me? error in compiling: http://rafb.net/paste/results/G40RCv55.html |
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| 12:07.02 | Jel | hmm, ata over ethernet sounds like it might be fun... :) |
| 12:07.25 | xbaxe | guys , |
| 12:07.26 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 12:07.26 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 12:07.51 | xbaxe | do you ppl have any idea on how to install another distro on a debian machine only accesible through ssh> |
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| 12:08.25 | gass | xbake chroot |
| 12:08.39 | peej | what's an alternative to sylpheed for lightweight (eg icewm) gui email? |
| 12:08.51 | gass | xbaxe: chroot, when user log's in |
| 12:09.06 | valdyn | peej: balse |
| 12:09.07 | gass | can anyone help me? error in compiling: http://rafb.net/paste/results/G40RCv55.html |
| 12:09.07 | valdyn | peej: balsa |
| 12:09.12 | wiler | xbaxe try partimage |
| 12:09.26 | gass | can anyone help me? error in compiling: http://rafb.net/paste/results/G40RCv55.html <--- dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:09.33 | xbaxe | how do i do that? |
| 12:09.35 | wiler | if you have another box or know the hardware you are compiling on |
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| 12:09.52 | xbaxe | ok thanks |
| 12:09.55 | Jel | gass: haven't seen that before, but it looks like an error related to redefining the same function |
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| 12:10.14 | Jel | gass: check the xml_parser source for anything called main |
| 12:10.24 | gass | xbaxe: you can load a scrpt .bash-something that is executed when the user log's in. the in that script you put chroot/mnt/other_distro |
| 12:10.30 | peej | valdyn : balsa has too much gnomey stuff. I want something lightweight |
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| 12:10.40 | gass | Jel: thanks |
| 12:10.45 | xbaxe | ah... |
| 12:11.03 | Jel | xbaxe: .bashrc |
| 12:11.17 | Jel | xbaxe: oh, I mean .bash_profile for a login |
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| 12:11.20 | gass | xbaxe: and when he log's out from chroot, you make him logout from debian |
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| 12:11.30 | peej | failing that, how can I reinstall sylpheed and a whole tree of its dependencies - one of which I think is causing a segfault? |
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| 12:11.40 | gass | Jel: that's it |
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| 12:12.19 | valdyn | peef: apt-get remove --purge <the package on bottom of dependencies> && apt-get install sylpheed |
| 12:12.24 | eugenesan | hi all, i accedently deleted partition (fdisk), is there any chance to find it on disk? |
| 12:12.35 | Jel | peej: first thing to do is probably move .slypheed or whatever the config directory is to somewhere so that it starts from scratch. But apt-get install --reinstall `apt-cache depends slypheed` |
| 12:12.48 | caphuso | eugenesan: try gpart |
| 12:12.59 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/272358 this is from /etc/X11/xorg.comf how do i need to modify it to make right win key act as a third level chooser? |
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| 12:13.16 | valdyn | redduck666: xorg isnt in debian |
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| 12:13.30 | redduck666 | valdyn: i apt-getted it |
| 12:13.30 | valdyn | redduck666: xorg.comf is a typo? |
| 12:13.43 | peej | jel : ah. I think that's gonna do it. |
| 12:13.51 | redduck666 | valdyn: yoeah i meant xorg.conf |
| 12:13.57 | peej | valdyn thanks |
| 12:14.03 | m4lu6 | Hrrmm. Anyone here just happen to have Radeon, and using the "drivers" packaged, here? -> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 12:14.14 | valdyn | redduck666: i can apt-get install oracle, that doesnt mean its free or in debian |
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| 12:14.46 | eugenesan | caphuso: i can't find it in debian repository, where i can get it? |
| 12:15.02 | redduck666 | valdyn: i'm a being very stupid or xorg is open-source? |
| 12:15.15 | xam | yes |
| 12:15.17 | valdyn | redduck666: the point is that its not in debian |
| 12:15.41 | valdyn | !info gpart sarge |
| 12:15.44 | dpkg | gpart: (Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1h-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 69 kB |
| 12:15.52 | redduck666 | valdyn: debian or not i had the same problem in xfree86, and the conf file looks god damn similar to me |
| 12:16.31 | redduck666 | valdyn: so what excatly makes debian xfree86 superior to xorg? |
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| 12:16.45 | peej | jel : argh. no. unbelievable. it still segfaults. must be my window environment or something |
| 12:16.49 | Jel | redduck666: If you're running gnome (2.10) or KDE 3.3+, they have control panel utils to configure keys |
| 12:16.51 | drac | redduck666: stop trolling, and ask in #xorg |
| 12:16.53 | xam | redduck666: it runs on all architectures and is well tested? |
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| 12:17.12 | paulswm | redduck666: No one said it was superior, but you are asking for support in a debian channel for a package which isn't in debian |
| 12:17.16 | redduck666 | drac: sorry didn't mean to troll |
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| 12:17.42 | redduck666 | Jel: in kde i had to do it at every reboot, now i'm using xfce |
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| 12:17.51 | bug_code | I need a help |
| 12:17.53 | inu | redduck666, this is why it's not currently in debian /msg dpkg xorg |
| 12:18.02 | caphuso | #if !defined(CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB) && !defined(CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB_MODULE) |
| 12:18.02 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.08 | bug_code | how can I chage the net card drivers in boot ???? |
| 12:18.09 | caphuso | fuck... |
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| 12:19.19 | peej | grimdonkey? now that's a refugee from a MUD alright. |
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| 12:19.54 | valdyn | bug_code: some more info please, which kernel, which debian release, why do you think you need to do this, what is _really_ the problem? |
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| 12:21.03 | daffy-pkf | re |
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| 12:21.24 | loocek | hi! how to kill some process (amule), when it doesn't want to kill even when I type kill -9 ... |
| 12:21.50 | valdyn | loocek: ps aux | grep amule |
| 12:21.56 | luulis | loocek: kill parent process or reboot |
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| 12:21.57 | xam | loocek it will take a while, it's a 'a mule' after all ;) |
| 12:22.35 | xam | loocek: seriously, it might be a zombie process, in that case you have to kill the parent process |
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| 12:23.21 | loocek | ps -e | grep amule give me 2 procesess "amule" and "amule <defunct>" |
| 12:23.25 | paulswm | loocek: and if its parent is init (1), *don't* kill -9 it, reboot |
| 12:23.31 | daffy-pkf | well i fixed my keyboard problem by dreating a new modmap that i pass to xmodmap, now i'd like to know in what script i should put a line like "xmodmap $MODMAP", so that it is launched at the right time when i start my xserver (startx), am i clear enough? (my english is so bad...) |
| 12:23.40 | loocek | but I don't want reboot :) |
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| 12:23.56 | paulswm | loocek: defunct is a zombie, it isn't really a process any more, it's just taking up a slot in the process table |
| 12:23.58 | valdyn | loocek: look if it is a zombie, if it is one, then leave it alone |
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| 12:24.17 | marinos | loocek: you will kill the son if you kill the father |
| 12:24.17 | iceman | daffy-pkf: ~/.Xsession |
| 12:24.24 | Romain- | wow even more people here. hi everyone (please don't answer) ;) |
| 12:24.50 | paulswm | loocek: If it's really bothering you and its parent is 1, reboot |
| 12:25.01 | xam | marinos: he has to kill the parent, in case of a mule it would be either a donkey or a horse |
| 12:25.06 | daffy-pkf | iceman> i dont have a .Xsession in my home dir, and i'd like the modmap to be the same for all users |
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| 12:25.15 | paulswm | !beer xam |
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| 12:25.29 | valdyn | !zombie |
| 12:25.29 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 12:25.32 | marinos | xam: hehe he has to shoot the parent |
| 12:25.33 | xam | paulsw thanks, needed that |
| 12:25.47 | loocek | parent is kdeinit...i'll turn off kde and then will see... |
| 12:25.49 | xam | dpkg, thanks |
| 12:25.49 | dpkg | de rien, xam |
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| 12:26.02 | loocek | thx all |
| 12:26.17 | iceman | daffy-pkf: /etc/X11/Xsession |
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| 12:26.20 | valdyn | loocek: zombies dont take up resources |
| 12:26.27 | iceman | daffy-pkf: man xsession |
| 12:26.41 | daffy-pkf | iceman> thanks |
| 12:26.42 | paulswm | valdyn: Well, actually, they take up a slot in the process table |
| 12:26.57 | valdyn | paulswm: yea, few bytes ) |
| 12:27.13 | paulswm | valdyn: just being an OS nazi :P |
| 12:27.33 | iceman | no process for you, ONE YEAR! |
| 12:27.38 | loocek | valdyn: ...maybe, but connections made by amule are still runnig and some ports are busy :( |
| 12:27.55 | loocek | is there any way to kill some established connections ?? |
| 12:27.57 | luulis | valdyn: sometimes i had some zombie processes eating all cpu.. |
| 12:28.16 | paulswm | luulis: zombies cannot eat CPU, they are no longer processes |
| 12:28.46 | valdyn | luulis: that would be a kernel bug. they cannot take cpu |
| 12:28.48 | luulis | paulswm: well perhaps they technically werent zombies but they were impossible to kill |
| 12:29.22 | paulswm | luulis: Yes, you can get that if they are stiuck in IO or something, an uninterruptible state |
| 12:29.44 | valdyn | luulis: zombie means that a process didnt by cleaned up by the kernel, so the io ports arent freed quickly, removing the zombie would not fix that |
| 12:29.50 | caphuso | paulswm: processes in uninterruptible sleep don't take CPU either |
| 12:30.00 | valdyn | luulis: time should fix that though |
| 12:30.39 | paulswm | caphuso: Yes, I was thinking about impossible to kill, though, and they can be stuck in state other than sleep IIRC but I really can't remember as I rarely see any |
| 12:30.48 | Romain- | Hi. Maybe a question answered before, but hey, I wasn't there... I'm running Debian Woody and I'm willing to run ANY svn client. I tried to install "Subversion" but to no avail. running a basic "apt-get install subversion" leads to an error message claiming Subversion "has no installation candidate". So apt-get won't work for me, unless I haven't tried something with it. So does anyone know a (easy ?) way to get a svn client to run |
| 12:30.48 | Romain- | on woody yet ? |
| 12:30.52 | valdyn | s/process/task/ methinks ( process is user side ) |
| 12:30.54 | loocek | well...is there any way to kill some established connections ?? |
| 12:31.25 | valdyn | loocek: wait for it to die |
| 12:32.15 | paulswm | loocek: The brute force way if you really have to do it would be either to reboot, or go to single user mode and then back to your normal runlevel |
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| 12:32.43 | paulswm | But I agree with valdyn |
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| 12:33.12 | paulswm | If it's not causing a problem, then don't fuck with it |
| 12:33.15 | Den | Girl hi!!! |
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| 12:33.39 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 12:34.33 | Den | What za xren??? |
| 12:34.47 | caphuso | Den: keep it on-topic, or go away |
| 12:35.19 | Den | caphuso Fuck you! |
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| 12:35.27 | paulswm | HAHAHAHA |
| 12:35.29 | Den | Caruso! |
| 12:35.29 | Phated | Banninate! |
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| 12:35.39 | Phated | Huzzah. |
| 12:35.41 | shingouz | they never learn :) |
| 12:35.41 | wtf | i have a 200gb disk in my box.. i've made a partition (ext3, 200gb), and mount it to /mnt/disk2 |
| 12:35.52 | paulswm | That was absolutely brilliant |
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| 12:35.54 | wtf | but 'df -h' says that the disk is only 95gb big |
| 12:35.55 | wtf | :> |
| 12:36.05 | wtf | i have debian unstable, 2.4.30 kernel |
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| 12:36.13 | Den | Ky ky |
| 12:36.16 | asg | caphuso: dunno if it's relevant to the /topic but woody 3.0r5 was released yesterday. |
| 12:36.32 | Phated | caphuso: He's back. |
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| 12:36.50 | valdyn | loocek: http://dict.die.net/zombie%20process/ |
| 12:36.57 | *** topic/#debian by caphuso -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | Debian 3.0r5 released | DPL election: Overfiend made it |
| 12:37.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 12:37.30 | asg | thanks caphuso |
| 12:38.04 | iceman | you guys know of any server program that lets one play multiplayer chess? with eboard for example.. |
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| 12:43.26 | Cat | Hello |
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| 12:45.25 | Cat | Since I updated my packages yesterday, my computer doesn't boot anymore. "Booting Linux" stays displayed (I'm using lilo). |
| 12:46.01 | Cat | I updated them last week-end, so the problem comes from a package which was updated last week. |
| 12:46.06 | Cat | I'm using testing. |
| 12:46.19 | valdyn | Cat: you upgrade lilo too? |
| 12:46.38 | valdyn | Cat: and answered Y where it asked you if it should overwrite the old config file? |
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| 12:47.32 | Cat | I didn't get any question |
| 12:48.19 | valdyn | Cat: hit <tab> at lilos prompt and try to boot the old kernel |
| 12:48.36 | Cat | Ok |
| 12:48.54 | wtf | how to make partitions ? |
| 12:49.03 | asg | wtf: man fdisk |
| 12:49.25 | Cat | valdyn: <tab> doesn't do anything. It just stop the countdown |
| 12:49.40 | Cat | I didn't upgrade my kernel yesterday. |
| 12:50.06 | jethro | Cat: use a rescue disk or a livecd and fix your bootloader |
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| 12:50.40 | Cat | My computer can only boot on my hdd or on network |
| 12:51.08 | Cat | Is it possible to boot Linux through network? |
| 12:51.12 | jethro | yes |
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| 12:51.52 | Cat | Ok. I will try this with Knoppix. Thanks a lot for your help! |
| 12:52.12 | airco | notice to ops: BombeR is an auto-advertise-on-join thingy |
| 12:52.35 | daffy-pkf | thanks guys! i know have a full working keyboard :) |
| 12:52.36 | drac | !ops BombeR is an auto-advertise-on-join thingy |
| 12:52.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: BombeR is an auto-advertise-on-join thingy |
| 12:53.09 | airco | question to the rest: does anyone know how you can write a shell script that moves a file to an incremental filename |
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| 12:53.35 | airco | what i mean is, i have a script called makepdf, which should always copy its result to a dir pdf_dumps/1.pdf |
| 12:53.40 | airco | next time it's executed, 2.pdf |
| 12:53.40 | airco | etc etc |
| 12:54.15 | ness | Where can I get help about debian/gnu hurd (here?)? |
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| 12:55.02 | airco | ness: just ask your question, if somebody knows they'll answer |
| 12:55.35 | Oryn | anyone know where the ircops hang out? |
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| 12:56.08 | asg | Oryn: /topic #freenode |
| 12:56.10 | ordimini | yet another stupid spamer: BombeR |
| 12:56.26 | Oryn | asg: thx |
| 12:56.35 | valdyn | airco: touch file , then run repeatedly: echo $((`cat file`+1)) | tee file |
| 12:56.52 | marinos | there is a #hurd channel |
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| 12:58.39 | ordimini | I repeat, there is again a stupid Spammer: BombeR I won't tell what's the content of the spam but he spam ... |
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| 12:59.26 | wtf | i've made a partition with fdisk |
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| 12:59.33 | wtf | but i can't mount it.. |
| 12:59.38 | wtf | /dev/hdb1 1 24321 195358401 85 Linux extended |
| 12:59.39 | Delph | ordimini: once someone who can do something about it looks at the channel, it will be dealt with, not much else to do in the meantime. |
| 12:59.40 | space_cow_boy | lol BombeR is messiging me about free turkish porn |
| 12:59.47 | drac | wtf: mkfs it. |
| 12:59.49 | paulswm | !ops onjoin spambot BombeR |
| 12:59.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: onjoin spambot BombeR |
| 12:59.57 | hackeron | hmm, is it possible to authenticate over network using pam+shadow like LDAP? (as in where openldap is overkill). |
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| 13:00.36 | Oryn | lol bob2 a spambot? |
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| 13:00.50 | paulswm | Oryn: no, an op |
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| 13:01.02 | space_cow_boy | could someone jog my memory? how do I query dpkg about upgrading from woody to sarge? |
| 13:01.16 | drac | space_cow_boy: woody->sarge |
| 13:01.19 | Oryn | paulswm: was going to say, bloody good Ai :P |
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| 13:01.43 | paulswm | Thanks caphuso sorry to bother you |
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| 13:01.52 | caphuso | paulswm: np |
| 13:02.09 | wtf | drac: with 'mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1' ? |
| 13:02.16 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 13:02.27 | drac | wtf: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 |
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| 13:02.57 | wyw | 有ä¸å›½äººå—？ |
| 13:03.01 | wtf | drac: /dev/hdb1: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock |
| 13:03.03 | airco | valdyn: thx. i suppose it's more effecient to call the files pdf_{date}.pdf ? which would be something like $date = date; cp file.pdf dump_$date.pdf; ? |
| 13:03.18 | marinos | wtf: your root partition must be a primary |
| 13:03.19 | paulswm | wtf mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 |
| 13:03.27 | marinos | ...not an extended partition |
| 13:03.29 | paulswm | Ah |
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| 13:03.39 | TuxMeister | hy there |
| 13:03.51 | TuxMeister | any app to convert static image (png's) to ascii art? |
| 13:03.52 | airco | caphuso: you might wanna extend that ban to *.netnavigator.com |
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| 13:04.12 | airco | since the first part kinda looks like a random string, no? :) |
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| 13:04.36 | valdyn | airco: as you like.. who cares about efficiency for this, i wouldn, some date *may* be more useful thogh |
| 13:04.45 | caphuso | airco: not unless we get real trouble from that ISP |
| 13:05.03 | airco | ah, it's an isp, sorry :) |
| 13:05.06 | wtf | drac: the same output |
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| 13:05.11 | airco | sounded like a netvertising firm to me |
| 13:05.26 | drac | wtf: look up what marinos told you. |
| 13:05.35 | paulswm | airco: whois shows it's an IP in Hong Kong |
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| 13:05.49 | paulswm | airco: Sorry, just saw your post |
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| 13:06.56 | wtf | drac: and how can i do that? |
| 13:06.59 | project9 | in solaris u have containers is there any thing in linux |
| 13:07.20 | d22 | I am doing rsync of some huge server to another one (backup) and at one point I get this error and rsyncing stops :(( any ideas? rsync error: received SIGUSR1 or SIGINT (code 20) at rsync.c(229) |
| 13:07.35 | d22 | _exit_cleanup(code=20, file=rsync.c, line=229): about to call exit(20) |
| 13:07.37 | drac | wtf: ..back to fdisk i guess, cfdisk might be more userfriendly. |
| 13:08.11 | wtf | yes.. but i made a partition with cfdisk (200g, ext3) but 'df -h' says its only 90gb;\ |
| 13:08.18 | asg | project9: what properties do containers have? |
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| 13:08.33 | project9 | applications |
| 13:08.40 | paulswm | wtf: If your hdb1 is an 85 Linux exntended, it's a container for logical partitons, not a partiton itself really, hdb5 onwards will be inside it |
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| 13:09.31 | asg | project9: SELinux or RBAC in grsecurity and chroots |
| 13:10.05 | asg | project9: another option is to use a full virtual environment like UML or Xen |
| 13:10.05 | project9 | rbac ? |
| 13:10.09 | Phl33t | hey, I'm kind of a noob when it comes to installing programs on linux.. I downloaded, decompressed and make installed GD 2.0.3. I already have php installed from aptget. phpinfo at http://phleet.gotdns.com/phpinfo.php. GD isn't working.. i'm trying to run phpThumb at http://phleet.gotdns.com/art.php |
| 13:10.11 | asg | project9: role based access controls |
| 13:10.30 | ness | OK. Tried installing hurd. Used the http://eu.hurd.gnuab.org/pub/debian/base/debian-gnu-hurd-2004.12.30.tar.gz archive. Its a 900MB ext2 partition. Then I tried booting it. (like told in the installing instructions) But then, just nothing happens, but after a while the sytem reboots. |
| 13:10.38 | project9 | yes |
| 13:10.50 | project9 | what we have in linux |
| 13:10.58 | caphuso | ness: try #debian-hurd |
| 13:11.12 | asg | Phl33t: what debian version are you using? |
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| 13:11.51 | asg | Phl33t: and why didn't you apt-get install php4-gd or php4-gd2? |
| 13:11.51 | Phl33t | asg: i kind of dont pay attention to these things.. lemme check the version |
| 13:11.59 | m4lu6 | f$*@. S*@$. |
| 13:12.10 | project9 | planning to use currently suse sles 9 |
| 13:12.12 | Phl33t | asg: can i still do that? even though gd and php4 are both already installed? |
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| 13:12.31 | m4lu6 | such are the problems of working on a friends box from remote... Lock it up, you can work on it no more. F*$@. S*$@. |
| 13:12.45 | asg | Phl33t: in what way is it *not working*? |
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| 13:13.03 | asg | project9: then ask #novell or #suse |
| 13:13.15 | project9 | ok |
| 13:13.17 | project9 | thanks |
| 13:13.45 | Phl33t | asg: gd just isn't displaying. Give me a noGD error when exporting images from my site |
| 13:13.53 | airco | what's wrong with: set $DATE = date; cp output.pdf dump_$DATE.pdf; ? |
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| 13:14.00 | airco | (yes, i'm new to this, sorry for the stupid q :) ) |
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| 13:14.11 | paulswm | wtf: please don't msg me |
| 13:14.16 | valdyn | airco: $DATE=`date` |
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| 13:14.36 | valdyn | airco: run date --help, you probably want to format it differently and avoid whitespaces |
| 13:14.42 | isidro | hello |
| 13:14.46 | caphuso | and you want no $ |
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| 13:14.53 | airco | valdyn: the backticks make the command executable i suppose? |
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| 13:14.59 | cahoot | `date +%d%b%y%H%M%S`.pdf |
| 13:15.27 | paulswm | airco: backticks substitute the output of the command for the command in backticks |
| 13:15.33 | valdyn | airco: they execute what is in between |
| 13:15.42 | Phl33t | asg: debian is version 3.1 |
| 13:15.53 | paulswm | airco: backticks substitute the output of the command in backticks I mean |
| 13:16.06 | airco | valdyn, paulswm, cahoot: thx |
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| 13:16.47 | paulswm | airco: man bash for all that stuff, incidentally, it's a pretty comprehensive reference, but not a good learning document |
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| 13:17.13 | airco | will do |
| 13:18.00 | Phl33t | asg: you there? |
| 13:18.19 | asg | Phl33t: then check that 'extension=gd.so' exists in your /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 13:18.28 | asg | Phl33t: it may not have automatically installed correctly |
| 13:18.40 | STuFf0r | Whats the best HCBI-Online-Banking Software for Linux? |
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| 13:19.09 | asg | Phl33t: also, create a simple <?phpinfo();?> page and verify that gd support is working (scroll down near the bottom to find the installed modules.) |
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| 13:19.41 | Phl33t | asg: already done that http://phleet.gotdns.com/phpinfo.php |
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| 13:20.32 | asg | Phl33t: from that page, the extension module appears not to be loaded. Verify your php.ini file to be sure. |
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| 13:21.50 | Phl33t | asg: extension=gd.so was commented, its uncommented now |
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| 13:22.01 | Phl33t | asg: and still doesn't appear to be working |
| 13:22.05 | ness | Theres only one guy there, he doesnt answer :D. Has anyone an idea about my problem? |
| 13:22.34 | asg | Phl33t: restart apache |
| 13:22.39 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.47 | doublehp | +gen |
| 13:22.48 | doublehp | get |
| 13:23.03 | asg | doublehp: I've resized ext2 and ext3 filesystems successfully before. |
| 13:23.28 | doublehp | asg: without dataloss ? |
| 13:23.32 | doublehp | asg: using parted ? |
| 13:23.45 | asg | doublehp: yes |
| 13:23.59 | asg | doublehp: there are no guarantees, of course, but I didn't run into issues. |
| 13:24.07 | doublehp | asg: I dont like ext3 :/ |
| 13:24.18 | doublehp | when will parted support XFS ? |
| 13:24.22 | asg | doublehp: then maybe someone else has had success with other filesystems |
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| 13:24.26 | Phl33t | asg: its done, but still isn't working |
| 13:24.33 | doublehp | asg: no ... reisor is a hell |
| 13:24.45 | asg | Phl33t: also, make sure your browser cache is clear |
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| 13:24.52 | doublehp | asg: did you use parted ? |
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| 13:25.11 | asg | doublehp: yes |
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| 13:25.15 | Phl33t | asg: yeah yeah, cache isn't the issue |
| 13:25.45 | asg | Phl33t: well, the page you pasted still doesn't show gd support. Are you using apache2 or php4 in cgi mode? |
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| 13:26.31 | asg | Phl33t: yeah, you are using apache2. Check /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
| 13:26.54 | Phl33t | asg: yeah i noticed, the extension was already uncommented in there |
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| 13:30.48 | asg | Phl33t: also, verify that /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so exists |
| 13:31.13 | EspeonEefi | With exim4, even though I'm specifying eep.dnsalias.org as my mail name and eep.dnsalias.org as a destination for which mail is accepted, I keep getting rejections when I try to send mail to espeoneefi@eep.dnsalias.org |
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| 13:31.26 | EspeonEefi | 550 relay not permitted |
| 13:31.38 | EspeonEefi | 550 5.1.1 <espeoneefi@eep.dnsalias.org>... User unknown |
| 13:32.32 | asg | EspeonEefi: and that user exists locally? |
| 13:32.37 | EspeonEefi | Has anyone else had experience with getting exim4 to accept mail for a domain name that's not its main domain name? |
| 13:32.46 | EspeonEefi | asg: Yes, that user exists locally. |
| 13:32.49 | Phl33t | asg: i only find something called libgd.so |
| 13:33.03 | asg | Phl33t: in the directory I mentioned above or some other one? |
| 13:33.18 | EspeonEefi | asg: Mail to espeoneefi@indigoplateau.mit.edu (the actual domain name) goes through just fine. |
| 13:33.35 | asg | EspeonEefi: then add the domain to local_domains. #exim for more info also. |
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| 13:33.54 | Phl33t | asg: /usr/local/lib/libgd.so |
| 13:34.13 | asg | Phl33t: that won't work. Does /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so exist or not? |
| 13:34.20 | asg | Phl33t: if not, apt-get install --reinstall php4-gd |
| 13:34.24 | Phl33t | gd: no |
| 13:34.36 | Ancillius | does anyone know how to connect via smb to a windows printer? Windows XP with activated shared printer (even Printer Sharing options with unix installed)? i always get via cups NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED . |
| 13:34.37 | EspeonEefi | asg: It was added to local_domains, at least I think so. I have it listed under the appropriate question in the debconf questions, I believe. |
| 13:34.45 | Ancillius | windows xp guest user is activated. |
| 13:35.18 | Phl33t | asg: no (i cant type today) |
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| 13:35.48 | asg | EspeonEefi: then start debugging. 'exim4 -d +9 -bt foo@bar' |
| 13:36.24 | Thanatermesis | I search debuggers for xorg debian packages, any volunteer ? |
| 13:36.46 | asg | EspeonEefi: then start debugging. 'exim4 -d -bt foo@bar' (rather) |
| 13:37.10 | EspeonEefi | Oh, heh. /me just typed the first... |
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| 13:37.50 | kbrooks | When compiling my own kernel, how can I create a initrd? |
| 13:37.59 | Phl33t | asg: should i just apt-get install ph4-gd? |
| 13:38.00 | asg | kbrooks: are you using make-kpkg? |
| 13:38.03 | Guerin | kbrooks: by reading man make-kpkg |
| 13:38.04 | asg | Phl33t: yes |
| 13:38.12 | asg | Phl33t: or php4-gd rather |
| 13:39.19 | kbrooks | asg: I'm in menucongf |
| 13:39.22 | kbrooks | config |
| 13:39.40 | dvs | kbrooks: But it begs the question: Why do you want initrd if you are compiling your own kernel? |
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| 13:39.47 | asg | kbrooks: is this a vanilla source tarball or a debian source package? |
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| 13:40.13 | kbrooks | vanilla |
| 13:40.51 | Guerin | kbrooks: just build everything you need to boot in, and you won't need an initrd. |
| 13:40.58 | Guerin | they're a pain in the arse anyhow |
| 13:40.59 | EspeonEefi | asg: Wow, lots of useful output. Thanks! |
| 13:41.07 | asg | EspeonEefi: you're welcome |
| 13:41.37 | asg | Guerin: nah, edit /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf to suit ; mkinitrd -o initrd.img 2.X.Y ;) |
| 13:41.49 | dvs | kbrooks: at least build in all you need to read the root partition. |
| 13:41.59 | kbrooks | dvs: k |
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| 13:44.39 | Guerin | asg: woft |
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| 13:45.05 | witless | anyone know why indentation gets all fucked up when i paste into a vi terminal window? |
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| 13:45.27 | asg | Guerin: but a requirement if you have to use boneheaded 3rd party oem fiber card drivers. |
| 13:45.29 | dvs | witless: vi uses only 4 spaces for tabs, IIRC |
| 13:45.38 | asg | witless: :set paste |
| 13:46.02 | Phl33t | asg: okay.. so now php is being retarded.. i had the same problem before. whenever i access a .php page, it tries to download it. I think i have to uncomment an extension line.. but i cant remember which file |
| 13:46.07 | witless | asg: thanks! |
| 13:46.49 | asg | Phl33t: verify that php is configured correctly in your apache conf (/usr/share/doc/php4/README*) |
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| 13:48.16 | EspeonEefi | Err... |
| 13:48.30 | EspeonEefi | That seems to indicate that routing would succeed... >.< |
| 13:48.41 | EspeonEefi | routed by local_user router |
| 13:48.47 | EspeonEefi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.48 | asg | EspeonEefi: yes, routing does succeed. The error indicates the user was unknown. |
| 13:48.50 | Phl33t | asg: the only readme's in that folder are gzips |
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| 13:49.00 | asg | Phl33t: zless /usr/share/doc/php4/README*.gz |
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| 13:50.05 | EspeonEefi | asg: How would that error be expressed then? |
| 13:50.23 | Phl33t | asg: i'm still not really sure what i'm supposed to do |
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| 13:50.38 | EspeonEefi | asg: For example, when I go exim4 -d -bt gdsgdasg@eep.dnsalias.org, it ends with gdsgdasg@eep.dnsalias.org is undeliverable: Unrouteable address |
| 13:50.55 | asg | Phl33t: bah, they changed the info from woody. Hang on a sec. |
| 13:51.14 | MaStiCore | alguien spanish?? |
| 13:51.24 | asg | !es |
| 13:51.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:51.25 | Phl33t | asg: i can give you an account on my server if you want |
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| 13:51.43 | MaStiCore | lol |
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| 13:51.51 | MaStiCore | no hay ningun español? |
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| 13:52.15 | MaStiCore | look me???? |
| 13:52.26 | asg | MaStiCore: no, no hablamos espanol aqui |
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| 13:52.35 | MaStiCore | ole asg |
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| 13:52.42 | MaStiCore | pues lo controlas bien! |
| 13:52.50 | asg | Phl33t: I have to jet for a few. Check the php4 modules is setup (man apache-modconf) |
| 13:52.54 | bykte | how do u check the current version of you debian? |
| 13:52.59 | Thanatermesis | I search debuggers for xorg debian packages, any volunteer ? |
| 13:53.09 | asg | Phl33t: then verify you have an /etc/apache2/conf.d/php4.conf file |
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| 13:54.00 | dvs | bykte: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:54.15 | bykte | ok thanks |
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| 13:54.28 | ribnitz | hello |
| 13:54.43 | bykte | what type of shell do u always use? |
| 13:54.46 | bykte | bash? sh? |
| 13:54.54 | ribnitz | I am looking for a solution for debian that allows me to split a dvd9 in 2 dvd5.. |
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| 13:56.09 | ILF | how do i tell my kernel (2.6.8-2) not to look for hda and hdb when booting? |
| 13:56.35 | marinos | ILF: you dont tell the kernel you tell the boot manager to do so |
| 13:57.21 | ILF | marinos: i think it's the kernel looking for them while booting |
| 13:57.40 | biggi_mat | ILF if lilo then joe /etc/lilo.conf |
| 13:57.42 | biggi_mat | look for boot |
| 13:57.55 | ILF | grub, will look at its config |
| 13:57.55 | marinos | ILF: the kernel checks if there are hard disks |
| 13:58.09 | biggi_mat | well i don't know grub |
| 13:58.12 | ILF | marinos: yeah, and i don't want it to do that |
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| 13:58.32 | marinos | ILF: hmm there must be some flag in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ |
| 13:58.33 | EspeonEefi | Oh, god...that's annoying... |
| 13:58.48 | EspeonEefi | I have a feeling it's something wrong with the SMTP server I'm using. |
| 13:58.57 | EspeonEefi | Sending from Yahoo! works beautifully... |
| 13:59.19 | dvs | EspeonEefi: Which one are you using? |
| 13:59.55 | cahoot | ILF: hdb=noprobe f ex |
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| 14:00.16 | vhuren | is there any packages out there that will let me manage user accounts on a server with ms windows clients that will manage user privelleges to specific dirs on the server? eg after they log in they have specific shares that are created on their winxp machine? |
| 14:00.24 | cahoot | ILF: look at /usr/src/linux/documantation/ide.txt |
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| 14:00.39 | marinos | ILF: most probably in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ide.txt |
| 14:00.55 | EspeonEefi | dvs: Well, trying to send to eep.dnsalias.org from outgoing.mit.edu fails. |
| 14:01.32 | jethro | vhuren: samba |
| 14:01.33 | marinos | something like hda=noprobe hdb=noprobe |
| 14:01.50 | ribnitz | +no one likes me. |
| 14:01.59 | LordFrith | Is there a nice, debian-esque way to get rid of the init.d entries for services that were removed? |
| 14:02.02 | marinos | ribnitz: w00f |
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| 14:02.10 | vhuren | jethro: but how do I make windows clients authenicate against the server? |
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| 14:02.42 | jethro | vhuren: you setup a domain controller with your samba server |
| 14:02.43 | ILF | there is no linux/ in /usr/src/ o_O |
| 14:02.44 | ribnitz | vhuren: www.samba-project.org, I thinl. |
| 14:02.46 | vhuren | jethro: like at the beginning when windows starts I want them to login and use authenicating info from the server to authenicate then get access to shares according to user info |
| 14:02.56 | jethro | vhuren: and add the xp workstations to the samba domain |
| 14:03.03 | marinos | ILF: then get the kernel sources |
| 14:03.10 | bykte | samba-project.org doesnt exist |
| 14:03.14 | jethro | vhuren: then all shares mounting is just a matter of netlogon scripts |
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| 14:04.51 | nywass | hi all |
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| 14:05.03 | nywass | i got a problem here |
| 14:05.07 | vhuren | jethro: but what I am asking is, if there are any server client authenicating packages that stores the authenicating info on the server where windows clients can authenicate against... like i dont want to store any local users on the windows machines... al their preferences and stuff will get stored on the server |
| 14:05.28 | nywass | i got a file call /etc/password.org and a file call /etc/shadow.org |
| 14:05.41 | nywass | what the fuck is that ?????? |
| 14:05.46 | jethro | vhuren: and I told you samba is what you want, now just go read until you get the point |
| 14:05.56 | marinos | ILF: apt-get install kernel-source-x.x.x && cd /usr/src && tar xjf kernel-source-x.x.x.tar.bz2 && cd kernel-source-x.x.x/Documentation |
| 14:06.17 | vhuren | jethro: thank you bro ;_ |
| 14:06.19 | vhuren | :) |
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| 14:06.27 | kib | anyone here know much about wu-ftp on debian? |
| 14:06.39 | kib | its still not allowing me to delete or overwrite a single file |
| 14:06.50 | kib | even though its owned by the user who is logged in |
| 14:07.04 | kib | actually uploaded by that suer...I can't even deelte files I am able to upload |
| 14:07.28 | mooded | wu-ftp sucks |
| 14:07.34 | mooded | doesnt matter which distri.. |
| 14:07.38 | kib | sugestions for debian system then? |
| 14:07.45 | mooded | proftpd is still better |
| 14:07.53 | cahoot | kib: strange perms on the dir? some chattr set? |
| 14:07.54 | kib | mooded: well to be fair I have been using it on freebsd for years without a single problem |
| 14:07.55 | Anders1 | vsftpd > proftpd > wu-ftp |
| 14:08.10 | kib | cahoot: what strange perms normally are applied bydefault to a users home dir? |
| 14:08.14 | mooded | kib, then you have a very simple setup.. |
| 14:08.20 | bykte | This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. <-- what does this means? |
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| 14:08.33 | kib | drwxr-xr-x 3 rssn users 4096 Apr 17 06:09 /home/rssn |
| 14:09.00 | kib | mooded: freebsd defaults are all setup in such a way where its all based on the shell login and normal file permissions |
| 14:09.07 | kib | how complictaed do you require ftp? |
| 14:09.31 | kib | drwxrwxr-x 2 rssn users 4096 Apr 17 06:15 /home/rssn/www |
| 14:09.33 | mooded | kib, more complicated than wuftpd is able to represent.. |
| 14:09.39 | kib | -rw-rw-r-- 1 rssn users 5258 Jan 17 06:55 /home/rssn/www/index.html |
| 14:09.51 | kib | cahoot: see anything string in those permissions? |
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| 14:10.10 | kib | mooded: you login you upload files you download files...its not that complicated |
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| 14:10.20 | mooded | kib, as i said.. thats a very simple setup.. |
| 14:10.28 | kib | what more do you need? |
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| 14:10.40 | covux | is there a way to rebuild the debian menu under kde menu to delete dead or redundant entries? maybe a script that scannes for installed apps and refreshes the menu? |
| 14:10.41 | kib | the unix or linux permission system handles everything else |
| 14:10.47 | OleMoudi | about evolution: is it possible to make reminder alarms for birthdays? |
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| 14:10.59 | kib | all ftp needs to do is operate under those rules that shells users do |
| 14:11.33 | mooded | kib, there are occasions when u want your ftp-users to be able to interact .. yet keep well defined security.. wuftpd cant handle stuff like that. |
| 14:11.44 | Delph | mooded: interact? as in make... groups? |
| 14:11.51 | Delph | between users. |
| 14:11.52 | kib | ftp chat? |
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| 14:11.54 | kib | lol |
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| 14:12.23 | Delph | mooded: if you want your ftp users to do more than the unix permission model will allow, you're going to have fun *anyway* |
| 14:12.24 | mooded | Delph, i cant remember exactly.. it was a problem not solvable by pure unix-groups .. |
| 14:12.34 | kib | mooded: if you mean share files well thats aslo covered in the unix permission system...in groups |
| 14:12.36 | Delph | then give your users shell access to the box. |
| 14:12.50 | mooded | delph, that exactly is what they should not get.. |
| 14:12.54 | Delph | mooded: why not? |
| 14:13.01 | mooded | customer requirement. |
| 14:13.08 | Delph | right. one of those then. |
| 14:13.09 | jamie^ | kib: wu-ftpd can't handle virtual hosts, afaik quotas and it doesn't have any support for say, an sql backend, it's also had a long long history of vulnerabilities |
| 14:13.20 | kbrooks | modeman: selinux |
| 14:13.21 | kbrooks | ? |
| 14:13.48 | Delph | yeah, you're going to want to wire up some capabilities based permissions on it. |
| 14:13.58 | Delph | you really don't want your ftp server to be able to trample over other users' files |
| 14:14.01 | kib | well I simple create a shell called /sbin/ftponly which ia a copy of /sbin/nologin and I add it to /etc/shells to make it happy. so users with that ftp onlys hell will be able to login via ftp because its a valid shell listed in /etc/shells but not login via ssh because that shell will report error message to user then drop them |
| 14:14.04 | kib | simple |
| 14:14.12 | kbrooks | kib |
| 14:14.18 | kbrooks | USE SELINUX |
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| 14:14.35 | kib | jamie^: virutal hosts as in in different settings per ip/port/hostname? |
| 14:14.38 | kib | sure it can |
| 14:14.42 | kib | I just don tuse that option |
| 14:14.42 | mooded | kbrooks, are there any working default-security-policies for debian in the meantime ?? |
| 14:14.56 | kib | anyhow my problem has nothing to do with any of this |
| 14:15.01 | Delph | default-security-policies? |
| 14:15.05 | kbrooks | mooded: idk |
| 14:15.10 | mooded | Delph, selinux-specific. |
| 14:15.14 | kib | I need to know why a userin ashell can delete a file he owns but not dothe same from ftp? |
| 14:15.28 | Delph | mooded: ah, right. |
| 14:15.29 | jamie^ | kib: no it can't. |
| 14:15.39 | PerfDave | I'm having trouble with a trackpad on a Dell Latitude C600 - the mouse works in X on /dev/psaux, but seems to repeatedly "snap" back to the lower left corner. Anybody have any idea how I can fix this? |
| 14:15.47 | kib | jamie^: yes it can...I was just reading itin the man page (while looking for semething else) |
| 14:16.08 | Shorty` | PerfDave: they the old PIII ones? |
| 14:16.20 | kib | its all in the ftpaccess file |
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| 14:16.35 | jethro | PerfDave: I ve had this problem too, and had to use an external mouse and disable the touchpad in the bios |
| 14:16.45 | jamie^ | kib: anyway, arguing with you is pointless. if you don't care about security, fine. :) |
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| 14:17.32 | PerfDave | Shorty`: It's a PIII, yes. |
| 14:17.41 | PerfDave | jethro: Hmm, that's not really feasible here. |
| 14:17.50 | jethro | PerfDave: what do you mean ? |
| 14:17.58 | PerfDave | jethro: I mean that it's not feasible to use an external mouse. |
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| 14:18.14 | kib | jamie^: virtual <address> <root|banner|logfile> <path> Enables the virtual ftp server capabilities. The <address> is the ip address of the virtual server. |
| 14:18.22 | kib | and it goes on and on about thatand related options |
| 14:18.25 | kib | per man page |
| 14:18.30 | kib | althgouh as I siad none of this matters to me |
| 14:18.38 | kib | I want to know why its being too restrictive on security |
| 14:18.53 | kib | why something a shell login can do the ftp session isnt allowed to do |
| 14:18.58 | kbrooks | wtf is cifs? |
| 14:19.00 | kib | how can I make it work like it should |
| 14:19.10 | bykte | <dpkg> [cifs] Common Internet File System or see SMB, or it is basically SMB without NBT |
| 14:19.32 | jamie^ | kib: define, like it should? |
| 14:19.34 | Phl33t | asg: you there? |
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| 14:19.43 | jethro | PerfDave: then if you find a solution, tell me cause I never managed to find any :) |
| 14:19.56 | kib | jamie^: meaning it should allow a user to delete or overwrite his owne files (that he also uploaded) |
| 14:20.08 | kbrooks | dpkg, nbt |
| 14:20.08 | dpkg | i guess nbt is an implementation of the NetBIOS API on top of TCP/IP |
| 14:20.17 | kib | basically I upload a file to a users own homedir and then am not able to delete or overwirte it laer |
| 14:20.20 | kib | later* |
| 14:20.43 | kib | if you ask me this ftpd is being overly paranoid...disallowing what it should (inthe name over security?) |
| 14:20.45 | greister | Debian can support Plesk? |
| 14:20.47 | kib | name of* |
| 14:21.02 | angrek | I typed 'apt-get remove bash' by accident. Obviously I don't want to install it but now I can't install anything because it still wants to remove bash... how do I get rid of it off of the apt-get list? |
| 14:21.24 | angrek | don't want to uninstall I mean.. |
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| 14:21.46 | asg | Phl33t: sort of, what's up? |
| 14:21.48 | Delph | apt-get install bash? |
| 14:22.21 | Phl33t | asg: still not working, still same problem. whenever i access a php file in firefox, it just asks me to download it |
| 14:22.24 | asg | greister: supposedly, #debian, however, doesn't. |
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| 14:22.43 | thetrooper | Hello people! which tool should I use to detect the frequencies of my monitor?? |
| 14:22.49 | kib | so is there anyone who can help me get an ftpd that allows the user to delete his own files? |
| 14:23.07 | tzafrir | greister, Plesk may be able to support Debian. Not the other way around. |
| 14:23.09 | angrek | Delph: sheez yes that works...thanks |
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| 14:23.30 | Phl33t | asg: like i said before, i can make you an account if it'll be easier ^^: |
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| 14:23.54 | Delph | angrek: imagine apt-get (install|remove) to set flags on packages which it wants to remove or install, then it goes on to actually remove or install them. |
| 14:23.56 | jamie^ | kib: vsftpd, proftpd.. |
| 14:24.12 | Delph | if you stop partway it remembers that you flagged it as such, and will do it next time |
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| 14:24.23 | kib | jamie^: as I said hours ago the spec calls for wu-ftpd..I can't tell th customer he can't havei t |
| 14:24.48 | jamie^ | kib: still, it's your duty to warn them of the consequences.. :p |
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| 14:24.54 | Delph | angrek: dpkg -l <name of package> shows you what dpkg wants to do to the package |
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| 14:25.10 | kib | I was hoping someone here actually knew how to use w-ftp..all I seem to be getting is flak about using it when its suppidly the default prefered ftpo for debian |
| 14:25.20 | Delph | in your case it will have been in "desired: Remove" and "status: Installed" |
| 14:25.21 | asg | Phl33t: well, I'm in and out dealing with a work issue atm. |
| 14:25.24 | baruch | I'm trying to install Debian Sarge on a laptop with no CDRom (the CD is dead, long live the floppy), problem is that the installer doesn't detect the ide drive |
| 14:25.41 | jamie^ | kib: where did you ever get /that/ idea from? |
| 14:25.41 | baruch | It's a Compaq Presario 900 |
| 14:25.41 | Phl33t | asg: so i take that as a no thanks |
| 14:25.41 | kib | jamie^: you havent given me any reason to beelive its not a good choice |
| 14:25.50 | kib | you only gave me one peice of mis-information about it so far |
| 14:26.09 | kib | jamie^: the fact that it came built into to debian was my first clue |
| 14:26.11 | angrek | Delph: thanks kindly, I've had a few stuck messing around and wasn't sure what to do and didn't know how to remove them from the install/remove list. That'll help greatly. |
| 14:26.15 | asg | Phl33t: sorry, try using a2enmod to enable php4 |
| 14:26.29 | jamie^ | kib: proftpd and vsftpd are also packaged with debian..your point? |
| 14:26.39 | asg | Phl33t: also, make sure you have libapache2-mod-php4 installed |
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| 14:26.54 | kbrooks | udf.....mmmmmmmm |
| 14:26.56 | kib | packaged for but not int he base system as wu-ftp seems to be |
| 14:27.05 | kib | this is a basic installtion of debian |
| 14:27.12 | kib | I didn't install any packages at all |
| 14:27.18 | Delph | and it gave you a ftpd ? |
| 14:27.22 | kib | wu-ftp is there but nothing else |
| 14:27.24 | Delph | >boggle< |
| 14:27.25 | kib | yes |
| 14:27.32 | jamie^ | kib: google for 'wu-ftpd vuln', if you can't help yourself.. |
| 14:27.42 | kib | it gave me an ftp but it wasnt enabled...I had to uncomment the line in inetd |
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| 14:28.02 | jamie^ | kib: wu-ftpd is in net, as is vsftpd, as is proftpd, it certainly wouldn't be in base. |
| 14:28.34 | kbrooks | ftpd |
| 14:28.45 | kbrooks | kib: using ftpd? |
| 14:29.48 | kib | jamie^: I se alot of talk about one problem in 2.6.1 fixed in 2.6.2 |
| 14:30.20 | kib | still searching...but the first 10 google results were about the same ont thing that doesnt concern me at all givin the version number |
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| 14:30.59 | kib | jamie^: this system came with wu-ftpd...it was even listed as wu-ftpd in the inetd.conf file...I didn't add any of this.. it ws there when the system was installed |
| 14:31.14 | kib | kbrooks: ftpd is a symlink to wu-ftpd |
| 14:31.29 | cah | Hi there - just one quick question - my debian box seems to have stopped being able to resolve hostnames - my resolv.conf is set to the same as all my other computers. for some reason only that box cannot resolve anything |
| 14:31.38 | cah | any ideas???? |
| 14:31.45 | kib | anyhow version 2.6.2 is perfectly secure (as far as anyone knows) |
| 14:31.48 | kib | so back to my problem |
| 14:31.49 | valdyn | !find bin/ftpd |
| 14:31.59 | kib | how to get this thing to allow users to delete and overwirte their own files |
| 14:32.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ftpd' (2): (/usr/bin/ftpdctl) in net/proftpd-common ;; (/usr/sbin/ftpd) in net/inetutils-ftpd,net/lukemftpd,net/krb5-ftpd. |
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| 14:35.01 | cah | any ideas on getting my box to resolve again? |
| 14:35.31 | cah | p.s. it can connect to any public ip address |
| 14:35.36 | Phl33t | asg: man.. i want php back up T.T oi.. trust me to break something else when trying to fix something |
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| 14:36.49 | ribnitz | cah: set up bind9? |
| 14:37.15 | ribnitz | anyone here go a grip on transcoding? |
| 14:37.16 | cah | ribnitz: why would i want to use bind9 just to browse the internet? |
| 14:37.21 | jamie^ | cah: paste your resolv.conf in #flood |
| 14:37.38 | ribnitz | cah: else put your providers dns server in resolv.conf |
| 14:37.56 | cah | yeah, they are already there |
| 14:38.12 | valdyn | cah: what works on that boxes network? access to lan? |
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| 14:38.38 | cah | everything works - lan and internet. just i have to do http://ip.add.re.ss |
| 14:39.26 | jamie^ | cah: try host -v www.google.com 213.120.62.97 |
| 14:39.36 | jamie^ | cah: paste the results in #flood |
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| 14:39.41 | Zizzencs | hi! i have some trouble with kdm. all i want to do is to set a plain black background, but i have no success :/ i go administrator, set the wallpaper to one color black and it still uses the picture i do not want |
| 14:40.02 | cah | "connection timed out - no servers could be reache" |
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| 14:40.22 | valdyn | cah: try "host google.com <some dns server>" |
| 14:40.41 | cah | literally???? |
| 14:40.54 | jamie^ | cah: okay, now.. host -v www.google.com 213.120.62.104 |
| 14:41.03 | valdyn | cah: no. replace what is between <> with a working dns server |
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| 14:41.26 | DA_ | wouldnty it be nice if you could just use <some dns server>? |
| 14:41.30 | cah | yeah :DD |
| 14:41.36 | valdyn | DA_: not at all |
| 14:41.37 | DA_ | s/ty/t |
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| 14:41.48 | cah | timed out again |
| 14:41.54 | cah | can i borrow one of your dns servers please? |
| 14:42.10 | cah | or shall i try orsc??? |
| 14:42.20 | SuperSox | did you do something like host google.com <123.123.123.123> |
| 14:42.21 | DA_ | cah: 66.133.191.35 |
| 14:42.27 | valdyn | cah: well, you found the problem, fix your dns server |
| 14:42.30 | SuperSox | because I'd imagine its without the <'s ;) |
| 14:42.49 | DA_ | cah: also 170.215.255.114 |
| 14:42.52 | cah | YAY |
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| 14:43.07 | cah | that one worked. weird thing is that only that single box cannot access the dns servers i have in nameserver file |
| 14:43.26 | valdyn | cah: i doubt that it is the same, verify.. |
| 14:43.37 | cah | hold on. |
| 14:43.51 | valdyn | cah: every box is behind a nat too i suppose |
| 14:44.23 | PerfDave | jethro: Installing and configuring xfree86-driver-synaptics has enabled the touchpad to work properly. |
| 14:44.24 | cah | On windows: 213.120.62.97, 213.120.62.104, on lorma: 213.120.62.97.104, on ubuntu box: search 213.120.62.97 213.120.62.104 |
| 14:44.37 | cah | all the other boxes are behind nat - the debian box is one of the front-line boxes |
| 14:44.53 | cah | eth0 is internet, eth1 is private |
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| 14:45.04 | valdyn | cah: your ubuntu box is the borken one? |
| 14:45.16 | cah | no, my debian |
| 14:45.24 | cah | debian proper |
| 14:45.46 | valdyn | thats lorma? |
| 14:45.58 | cah | no, lorma is a fedora derivative. |
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| 14:47.10 | cah | YAY - everything is working. I tell you, I am going to scream so hard at the BT people |
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| 14:47.31 | cah | every time my box has networking problems it is always their fault |
| 14:47.49 | SuperSox | heh @ BT |
| 14:47.50 | SuperSox | :) |
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| 14:48.43 | cah | no choice though - dad's company pays for the pipe to secure a certain IP for their vpn stuff. :'( |
| 14:48.48 | cah | but thanks again for the good dns addresses |
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| 14:50.02 | SuperSox | hehe |
| 14:50.14 | SuperSox | BT must be gutted that they got forced to roll out DSL finally |
| 14:50.27 | SuperSox | "Oh no, we can no longer rip people off for dialup!" |
| 14:50.42 | cah | bring on 8mbps Easynet!!!!!!! |
| 14:50.42 | jamie^ | !find bin/yacc |
| 14:50.48 | SuperSox | heh |
| 14:50.58 | SuperSox | cah: luxury to be able to afford such things |
| 14:51.04 | cah | plus, their network stinks - I'm being attacked by 10.10.11.13 :S |
| 14:51.09 | cah | anyone ever seen that before? |
| 14:51.10 | SuperSox | cah: I'm on 1mb Telewest, its the most I can afford |
| 14:51.10 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/yacc' returned no results. |
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| 14:51.22 | SuperSox | cah: nah, I have a cheap wireless router |
| 14:51.25 | cah | the 8mbs easynet will only be £395 a year!!!!!! |
| 14:51.44 | cah | p.s. my internal addresses are 172 ones |
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| 14:51.55 | SuperSox | cah: although in the next three months I'm setting up a firewall/router box though, so whenever people constantly attack me, I'll just drop their ips :) |
| 14:52.17 | SuperSox | cah: could be something going crazy asking for dhcp? or related to your fathers vpn |
| 14:52.32 | SuperSox | I've noticed that on telewest a few 192.168's route when they shouldn't |
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| 14:53.03 | cah | no, its ports 7130 (HLSW hack) and 32920-60 |
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| 14:53.23 | cah | all ips on my end and vpn end are 172 addresses. i never use 10.0.0.0 |
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| 14:53.39 | cah | it is probably another BT problem. |
| 14:53.57 | cah | no other way i could get a 10.0.0.0 address routed to me i would suppose |
| 14:55.00 | Virtual | what good instant messenger client beside gaim do you know ? I need for yahoo and yahoo messenger for linux is unacceptable. |
| 14:55.08 | cah | kopete? |
| 14:55.11 | Anders1 | bitlbee? |
| 14:55.17 | cah | trillian i think might work. can;t remember though |
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| 14:56.37 | tzafrir | Virtual, apt-cache search yahoo ? |
| 14:57.03 | tzafrir | But then again, if you use IRC for this, maybe try bitlbee |
| 14:57.35 | Virtual | tzafrir: for IRC I use KVIrc and I can say i`m satisfied, I need for yahoo |
| 14:57.57 | tarzeau | Virtual: kvirc still exists? |
| 14:58.02 | Virtual | heh |
| 14:58.05 | Virtual | of course |
| 14:58.11 | Virtual | latest version 3.2.0 |
| 14:58.13 | tarzeau | Virtual: it used to segfault alot, when i tried it |
| 14:58.16 | SuperSox | irssi for the win! |
| 14:58.22 | tarzeau | Virtual: like 0.9 or so version, some years ago |
| 14:58.22 | SuperSox | epic if irssi isn't there |
| 14:58.25 | Virtual | tarzeau: I don`t have that problem |
| 14:58.27 | tzafrir | Virtual, bitlbee is an IM client that looks like an IRC server |
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| 14:59.01 | tzafrir | apt-get install bitlbee |
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| 14:59.30 | tzafrir | and then connect with $IRC_CLIENT to localhost:6667 |
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| 15:00.29 | romulo | where i can find dbus-sharp deb? |
| 15:00.43 | SuperSox | haha, I was going to try using that, then I realised I irc from a shell so it would be utterly pointless :( |
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| 15:02.06 | asg | PerfDave: it's a good combination esp. with screen |
| 15:02.10 | tarzeau | PerfDave: z or ba? |
| 15:02.27 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Eh? |
| 15:02.32 | asg | PerfDave: zsh or bash |
| 15:02.37 | SuperSox | PerfDave: yeah, but I was going to install bitlbee locally lol :) |
| 15:02.52 | PerfDave | asg: tcsh ;) |
| 15:03.00 | tarzeau | yuck |
| 15:03.02 | asg | PerfDave: heh, that's what tarzeau was asking |
| 15:03.05 | caphuso | core dumped: EWRONGSHELL |
| 15:03.25 | jim | tarzeau: he could also be usiug |
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| 15:03.42 | PerfDave | I'm lying, it's bash really ;) |
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| 15:04.45 | d22 | I wanted to mkake a dns load balancing 9with round robin). any idea if this will let me remove on eof the servers from dns if the server goes down? What about the caching? Will setting TTL to 0 help? |
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| 15:06.12 | asg | d22: try #dns |
| 15:06.29 | jim | there's one of those now? |
| 15:06.38 | Splur | question: how do hardcore programmers type code quickly? The keys for &@{}()=+-_ and such always slow my typing to a crawl. is it practice or do some remap keys or something? |
| 15:06.57 | asg | Splur: practice makes perfect. |
| 15:07.13 | asg | Splur: and spending a lot of time on irc helps to improve accuracy |
| 15:07.45 | jim | Splur: it's practice (which makes improvement) and familiarity and probably keyboard selection and maybe remapping |
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| 15:07.49 | LordFrith | Now, I have a fileserver. I'm slowly removing everything I can from it. I'm down to around 193 packages or so, but I don't see anything right off the bat that could still be removed. Any easy way I can say "Get rid of everything that doesn't support sshd, apt, and nfs"? |
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| 15:08.20 | asg | LordFrith: it's a file server, saving 30M or so shouldn't be an issue. |
| 15:08.29 | britt | what do i type to get the computer to show me the changes between file1 and file2? |
| 15:08.32 | jim | actually that's true... spending time on irc does heklp wiath tipos |
| 15:08.36 | asg | LordFrith: if it is, it isn't going to be a very good file server. |
| 15:09.02 | PerfDave | britt: diff |
| 15:09.06 | jim | Splur: undo and backspace help too |
| 15:09.14 | jim | as does cuttin n pastin |
| 15:09.27 | LordFrith | asg: The main reasons: 1) I don't want it to be usable for anything oither thna a file server, and 2) less to worry about updating, etc. |
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| 15:09.33 | britt | PerfDave: okay i will try that |
| 15:09.45 | asg | LordFrith: if you are using stable, updates will not happen often. |
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| 15:10.08 | asg | LordFrith: start using deborphan to find unused libraries. |
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| 15:10.25 | LordFrith | asg: Well, I was slightly foolish in that I chose "unstable". deborphan, you say... |
| 15:10.36 | jim | LordFrith: linux/unix isn't what you want then... as soon as you install that, your box becomes very useful for lots of things |
| 15:10.42 | asg | LordFrith: yes, deborphan will find packages which no other package depends on. |
| 15:11.13 | Splur | jim & asg: it just seems like if I were to make ctrl-a, ctrl-s, and all those keys near the homerow correspond to the programming symbols, that I might be better. |
| 15:11.32 | jim | you could do that |
| 15:11.35 | PerfDave | britt: Or colordiff if you want prettiness. |
| 15:11.36 | asg | Splur: except that a lot of useful programs use those |
| 15:11.52 | britt | PerfDave: thank you...color is gud |
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| 15:12.26 | LordFrith | # deborphan | wc -l |
| 15:12.27 | LordFrith | 0 |
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| 15:12.45 | jim | or you could decide on a standard keyboard layout, or something that's enhanced, has added keys for ()[]{}+-*/% and other such keys |
| 15:12.46 | asg | LordFrith: then you have pared down quite a bit already. |
| 15:12.58 | LordFrith | # dpkg -l | egrep '^ii' | wc -l |
| 15:12.58 | LordFrith | 180 |
| 15:13.04 | britt | ya know, I changed 3 lines on my 2nd C program and gcc is giving me a screenfull of errors, and the 1st one compiled great |
| 15:13.11 | luulis | LordFrith: debfoster would probably suit your needs better in this case.. |
| 15:13.13 | britt | ARGGGHHH |
| 15:13.24 | LordFrith | asg: Yeah, that deborphan was after I ran it and found 12 or so packages that weren't needed. |
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| 15:13.34 | caphuso | britt: something silly like a missing ;? |
| 15:13.40 | jim | britt: do you have a makefile there? |
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| 15:13.44 | asg | britt: or an unclosed quote |
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| 15:14.17 | Splur | hmmm. something to think about. thanks for the input |
| 15:14.29 | britt | YEA!!! |
| 15:14.36 | britt | it's too early ;) |
| 15:14.38 | britt | thanks |
| 15:14.44 | britt | cya later |
| 15:14.44 | asg | britt: or even better, an unclosed comment. I once tutored a student who wrote a 1000 line program which compiled flawlessly but didn't do anything. They had forgot to close a comment and commented the whole lot. ;) |
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| 15:14.53 | britt | lol |
| 15:14.55 | britt | thx asg |
| 15:14.59 | caphuso | asg: hehehe |
| 15:15.02 | asg | britt: you're welcome |
| 15:15.02 | jim | if so, emacs makes a pretty good ide... you tell emacs to run the make (M-x compile) and it puts the error messages there, you can click them, takes you to the src |
| 15:15.35 | asg | caphuso: yeah, that was funny as hell. The Comp Sci teacher didn't like me because I studied Philosophy and not CS but new more than all of his students. |
| 15:15.42 | asg | s/new/knew/ |
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| 15:17.16 | caphuso | asg: the last programming tutor i had simply checked if the output of my programs matched the solution, without looking at my code at all |
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| 15:19.02 | caphuso | asg: so i made some of the more boring programs by writing a shell script called java with lots of echo in them ;-) |
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| 15:19.12 | asg | caphuso: hah, cool |
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| 15:20.44 | asg | caphuso: the person I tutored now manages large SAN setups (she switched to MIS after we started doing black box genetic algorithm implementations.) |
| 15:21.15 | FieldySnuts | ~penixsmite penix |
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| 15:21.40 | asg | !wenas |
| 15:21.40 | dpkg | [wenas] Spanish term for someone who likes to stuff small rodents and tomatoes up their rectum. |
| 15:22.18 | caphuso | asg: that's kinda sad |
| 15:22.41 | asg | caphuso: the wenas or switching to MIS because CS was more math and code than fooling around with Windows? |
| 15:22.46 | xam | poor tomatoes |
| 15:22.51 | caphuso | asg: the latter |
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| 15:23.25 | abel | hi all, hi 2 question session-manager related . 1) where does gdm keep the list of the window manager he print at log ? 2) how can i force a consol login in debian ? |
| 15:23.31 | asg | caphuso: well at the Uni I went to, 50% of CS students switched to MIS after the 2nd semester and 50% of them switched to Business after a semester of that. |
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| 15:23.50 | SuperSox | MIS ? |
| 15:23.57 | asg | caphuso: they don't even require C now, which is really sad. All their stuff is done with Java now. |
| 15:24.05 | FieldySnuts | yuck. |
| 15:24.05 | asg | SuperSox: Management Information Systems |
| 15:24.16 | caphuso | asg: no need to tell me |
| 15:24.23 | virgomoon | I just started getting a lot of ssh traffic from an 11.0.0.0 network. That's a DoD network. who showed no one logged in, but it looks like a lot of attempts to connect. Anybody ever seen this? |
| 15:24.27 | SuperSox | I'm doing Comp Sci :) |
| 15:24.55 | asg | virgomoon: are the logins using names like 'steve, admin, root, etc.' ? |
| 15:25.03 | caphuso | the only other language besides java i ever programmed in was gopher, in several years of university now |
| 15:25.21 | SuperSox | too much windows stuff on my course at the moment |
| 15:25.30 | SuperSox | I've been doing a lot of ASP == YUCH |
| 15:25.32 | virgomoon | asg: I'm not sure |
| 15:25.34 | element14 | java is a nice language. but learning only java sorta sucks... |
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| 15:25.47 | asg | caphuso: fortunately for me, java was pre 1.0 when I was studying so it was all C. |
| 15:25.54 | asg | virgomoon: check /var/log/auth.log |
| 15:26.01 | FieldySnuts | glad I never became a programmer, i'd just end up refusing to do java and not have a job |
| 15:26.12 | FieldySnuts | i'll just stick to administration and let the programmers deal with it |
| 15:26.24 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: But then you have to *install* Java ;) |
| 15:26.33 | virgomoon | asg: yeah, they're just checking a lot of different names |
| 15:26.34 | FieldySnuts | if I have to, i guess. |
| 15:26.55 | asg | virgomoon: it's an automated attempt to get access. These have been happening for a while now. |
| 15:27.21 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Our programmers are still using Fortran '77, so I'm spared. |
| 15:27.22 | virgomoon | asg: I wouldn't think it's anything to worry about as long as everything has good passwords, right? |
| 15:27.29 | asg | virgomoon: correct |
| 15:27.30 | FieldySnuts | my god |
| 15:27.38 | virgomoon | asg: fair enough, thank you |
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| 15:28.03 | asg | virgomoon: you're welcome. There are some daemons around that you can run that will use iptables to block such attacks. Check freshmeat. |
| 15:28.16 | virgomoon | alright, I will |
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| 15:28.34 | tuxmaster | hi all |
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| 15:29.28 | combow3 | alguien sabe como puedo aprender hack |
| 15:29.34 | directhex | we have a LOT of fortran users at work |
| 15:29.39 | directhex | more fortran than C or C++ |
| 15:30.08 | combow3 | ok |
| 15:30.09 | Bladie | is installing php5 on debian stable trough a backport possible and does it work without problems? |
| 15:30.10 | asg | virgomoon: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/misc/sshblock.daemon (a buddy of mine wrote this as a first attempt. Python) |
| 15:30.25 | PerfDave | Bladie: (a) maybe and (b) probably not ;) |
| 15:30.32 | PerfDave | Is PHP5 in Unstable yet? |
| 15:30.35 | combow3 | hola |
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| 15:30.55 | asg | PerfDave: nope |
| 15:31.03 | FieldySnuts | PHP6 will be out first |
| 15:31.11 | FieldySnuts | along with duke nukem forever |
| 15:31.16 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 15:31.17 | PerfDave | And Perl 6 ;) |
| 15:31.21 | PerfDave | And Sarge. |
| 15:31.23 | asg | PerfDave: looks like some packages are starting to indicate php5 as alternate depends so it probably won't be long. |
| 15:31.23 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# apt-cache search php5 |
| 15:31.23 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# |
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| 15:31.32 | Bladie | hmm what about the latest php4 version trough a backport? |
| 15:31.39 | asuffield | php5 is pretty damn broken, which leads to acute distaste for including it |
| 15:31.48 | PerfDave | Bladie: http://www.backports.org/ or read the APT HOWTO. |
| 15:31.48 | asuffield | so it's unlikely to happen before sarge |
| 15:32.01 | Bladie | but probably causing problems? |
| 15:32.18 | PerfDave | Bladie: *shrug* Well, it won't be as well tested and integrated. |
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| 15:32.23 | abel | so nobody knows where gdm find his window manager list ? |
| 15:32.26 | Bladie | yea |
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| 15:32.30 | Bladie | well i feel lucky today |
| 15:32.31 | asg | !qotd19 |
| 15:32.32 | dpkg | [qotd19] <Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!" |
| 15:32.32 | Bladie | thanks. |
| 15:32.34 | ali7288 | how do i burn a binary image onto a floppy? |
| 15:32.43 | caphuso | ali7288: cp image /dev/fd0 |
| 15:32.48 | ali7288 | thank yo |
| 15:32.49 | ali7288 | you |
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| 15:32.58 | directhex | i heard duke nukem forever was coming on a sarge livecd |
| 15:33.24 | asg | directhex: I have a sarge livecd |
| 15:33.26 | drac | right.. :p |
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| 15:33.54 | Ermo | Helo |
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| 15:34.10 | poser | would it be possible to copy a kernel and initrd image from a debian based livecd that has a splash screen to my debian system? |
| 15:34.14 | asg | 501 Syntactically invalid HELO argument(s) |
| 15:34.25 | Ermo | some one knows what file i can change my card? wlan0 |
| 15:34.36 | scytheman | poser, you need a special program for using splash screens |
| 15:34.38 | Ermo | i need to edit iwconfig but what file do i need? |
| 15:34.48 | asg | Ermo: /etc/network/interfaces ; man 7 wireless |
| 15:34.59 | Ermo | ok thx |
| 15:35.17 | poser | scytheman: any idea of what it is? |
| 15:35.25 | scytheman | bootsplash, i think |
| 15:35.38 | asg | !bootsplash |
| 15:35.38 | dpkg | somebody said bootsplash was http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf |
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| 15:37.28 | directhex | bootsplash =~ s/updates/updates and debian packages/ |
| 15:37.35 | directhex | bah |
| 15:37.36 | directhex | !bootsplash =~ s/updates/updates and debian packages/ |
| 15:37.36 | dpkg | directhex: OK |
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| 15:38.33 | directhex | you need to compile a bootsplash kernel. it needs 4 things statically compiled into the kernel, plus an initrd for the image to reside inside, plus some patches to init, plus a framebuffer console |
| 15:38.48 | FieldySnuts | plus it's stupid / not worth the trouble |
| 15:38.50 | poser | I get an error in my dmesg as: vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6 |
| 15:39.13 | directhex | how are you loading vesafb? |
| 15:39.25 | poser | not sure.. |
| 15:39.38 | directhex | hint: anything other than "vga=XXX" as a kernel append is wrong |
| 15:39.42 | poser | I think it is compiled into kernel |
| 15:40.05 | directhex | where XXX is a modeline determined by your graphics card's capabilities, 791 is usually a safe bet |
| 15:40.31 | poser | ok.. let me test |
| 15:41.26 | directhex | actually, i lie. i think "video="vesafb:mode:XXX"" is also valid, but very uncommon |
| 15:41.35 | valdyn | iirc grub would read 791 as decimal and convert it to hex for the kernel |
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| 15:42.20 | directhex | i think it's lilo that only accepts decimal values, so the convention has stuck. i use decimal by tradition now, even when i have to convert from hex |
| 15:42.37 | directhex | (i.e. output from hwinfo --framebuffer is in hex, i converty to decimal for menu.lst) |
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| 15:42.40 | Quickimaster | hello |
| 15:42.52 | Quickimaster | could you help me whit a nameserver problem? |
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| 15:43.07 | valdyn | directhex: yea, exactly, or use 0xXXXX |
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| 15:43.57 | user01 | is if it difficult to physically take a hard drive from one computer, put it in another with an existing debian system installed and mount the drive? |
| 15:44.11 | directhex | user01, only if said drive si part of a windows-only fakeraid |
| 15:44.39 | Quickimaster | how can i change the nameserver on debian? |
| 15:44.41 | user01 | directhex: no its formatted xfs |
| 15:45.06 | directhex | Quickimaster, it's in resolv.conf, and determined by your dhcp server usually |
| 15:45.10 | directhex | user01, okay, just mount it |
| 15:45.17 | valdyn | Quickimaster: do you use dhcp, have you got resolvconf installed? |
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| 15:45.45 | user01 | directhex: isnt there a config file i have to change so that it mounts automatically? |
| 15:45.56 | directhex | user01, if you want, yes, etit /etc/fstab |
| 15:46.09 | tuxmaster | :) i am sucsessful |
| 15:46.11 | user01 | thanks! |
| 15:46.12 | tuxmaster | on installing debian |
| 15:46.29 | Quickimaster | valdyn: moment i check it |
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| 15:46.41 | Xenguy | tuxmaster: congratulations :-) |
| 15:46.55 | tuxmaster | now upgrading to sarge |
| 15:47.03 | Quickimaster | valdyn: dhcp is not installed |
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| 15:47.28 | Quickimaster | how can i manually change the nameservers? |
| 15:47.36 | valdyn | Quickimaster: thats not what i asked. |
| 15:47.47 | tuxmaster | how would i upgrade to the new kernal |
| 15:47.54 | bug_code | how are you, kids |
| 15:47.57 | user01 | my xserver crashed during boot and i didnt change any settings...not booting anymore |
| 15:47.58 | Quickimaster | dhcp is not installed and i don't use it |
| 15:47.59 | bug_code | i need help |
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| 15:48.11 | tuxmaster | user01 did you select the right video card |
| 15:48.13 | bug_code | how i do to change the ethernet card driver???? |
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| 15:48.14 | takatumi | tuxmaster: apt-get install debian-reference |
| 15:48.24 | tuxmaster | thanks takatumi |
| 15:48.26 | FieldySnuts | @annoy bug_code |
| 15:48.28 | ravenbird | bug_code: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 15:48.34 | valdyn | Quickimaster: "dhcp" provides a dhcp server, i didnt care about it |
| 15:48.49 | pahvi | user01: have you checked that you have room on your harddrive |
| 15:48.56 | tuxmaster | 1 hour 1 min to upgrade |
| 15:48.56 | valdyn | Quickimaster: assuming your are neither using dhcp nor resolvconf, edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:49.03 | Rebecca | hi people. is it possible to setup debian to automaticly mount usb disks(flash,external hdd) when they are connected. like how cdroms are auto mounted |
| 15:49.15 | tug | any place to get x.org packages for debian? |
| 15:49.19 | Quickimaster | valdyn thank you |
| 15:49.21 | user01 | tuxmaster: it was working fine for 4 months...then after an upgrade synaptic stopped working and then when i had to reboot a week later xserver wouldnt load |
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| 15:49.36 | pahvi | Rebecca: yes.. /etc/fstab |
| 15:49.45 | Rebecca | pahvi: okay |
| 15:50.02 | tuxmaster | what was the last error message it gave you |
| 15:50.07 | tuxmaster | user01 |
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| 15:50.39 | user01 | tuxmaster: just a sec ill go check |
| 15:50.45 | valdyn | !doesnt work |
| 15:51.01 | takatumi | it doesn't. |
| 15:51.07 | jackah | hi, i am trying to compile kernel (linux-2.6.11.7) and it write those errors: make[3]:***[drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.o]error2, make[2]:***[drivers/char/drm]error2,make[1]:***[drivers]error2... yesterday some1 told me to uncheck unnecessary graphic drivers, i did it but it show errors again |
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| 15:53.22 | user01 | tuxmaster: it might be a couple minutes cause im downloading stuff at the command line on that one and i dont want to interrrupt it |
| 15:53.28 | Rebecca | pahvi: will i be able to configure it to mount different devices depending on their usb device id or capacity? |
| 15:53.36 | petemc | jackah: the unfortunate reality of asking kernel compiling questions in here is you get told to use debian prepackaged kernels, tho often times its sage advice |
| 15:53.43 | Rebecca | sorry. to mount different deviced to different mount points |
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| 15:54.12 | King_Brad | morning, does debian (sarge) make a crash.log file or soemthing of the sort, when it crashs from a program? |
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| 15:54.57 | tug | how can I make a package out of a compiled kernel? (I want to compile on one pc and install on another) |
| 15:55.06 | jackah | !tell jackah about kp |
| 15:55.13 | arturaz | hey dudes. what would you suggest for backing up data? |
| 15:55.31 | Rebecca | arturaz: pen and paper? |
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| 15:59.36 | oKtosiTe | arturaz, zip? tar+gzip? cp -R? |
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| 16:00.21 | oKtosiTe | tug, why not just zip locally and unzip on target? |
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| 16:01.14 | Cat | Hello. I have got a computer which can only boot from network or hdd, but whose mbr seems to be broken, so I will have to boot from network to repair it. What's the easiest way to do this? Is there a live cd that provides the needed servers? (I tried Knoppix 3.8.1, but it doesn't work). |
| 16:01.28 | directhex | tug, if you compiled the kernel properly (i.e. with make-kpkg), sure |
| 16:01.44 | minra | Cat why did the livecd not work |
| 16:02.05 | minra | My Q: Anybody here using wcd (a norton change-directory clone)? |
| 16:02.05 | Cat | There were several errors messages when I launched knoppix-terminalserver |
| 16:02.30 | minra | why would you run knoppix-terminalserver? |
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| 16:02.57 | Cat | In order to be able to boot Knoppix from network |
| 16:03.22 | minra | you want to fix the mbr. so put in a live cd, forget the networking, and reinstall lilo or grub |
| 16:03.41 | Cat | My computer can only boot from the hdd or the network. |
| 16:03.50 | maintenance | hi! just tested the debian installer on a box and everything smooth except kde AND gnome don't wanna start without saying why. the lean wm (like ice) have no troubles. any hints where i could look? error logs seem rather empty. |
| 16:03.54 | minra | gah i missed that sorry |
| 16:03.58 | Cat | np |
| 16:04.39 | minra | a problem with the cdrom / bios? |
| 16:04.48 | minra | i've seen a few machines that refuse to boot from cds |
| 16:04.54 | Cat | I don't have a CD drive |
| 16:04.59 | Cat | It's a thin client |
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| 16:05.26 | minra | maintenance - no ideas for you atm |
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| 16:08.17 | senteo | #nick |
| 16:08.19 | senteo | adsfkja |
| 16:08.23 | senteo | asdfjl;asfjdasfaslfjs;afas;lkjf;askjfld;asjfl;sakjfl;safjl;das |
| 16:08.25 | FieldySnuts | bager |
| 16:08.26 | PerfDave | Cat: If you want to get knoppix-terminalserver working, go ask on #knoppix. |
| 16:08.50 | Cat | It is already done, but there is nobody |
| 16:09.04 | FieldySnuts | ~moron Knoppix users |
| 16:09.17 | FieldySnuts | i guess apt is basically neutered. |
| 16:09.20 | PerfDave | Cat: Failure of #knoppix to support Knoppix doesn't mean it becomes #debian's duty to support something that isn't Debian. |
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| 16:09.23 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: moron Knoppix users |
| 16:09.24 | ravenbird | Knoppix users: You are moron #57 |
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| 16:10.04 | minra | lol |
| 16:10.06 | Cat | No, but I expected you to help me find another solution, as I'm trying to repair a Debian system. |
| 16:10.08 | PerfDave | !not supporting Knoppix |
| 16:10.10 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support Knoppix too. Try #Knoppix or donating money to charity. |
| 16:10.31 | PerfDave | Cat: You fucking your MBR is not Debian-specific. |
| 16:10.36 | Cat | Hey! I'm using Debian since potato... |
| 16:10.37 | bramp | Hi quick question. Does jigdo make bootable CD isos? |
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| 16:11.05 | Cat | No, but it doesn't work since I did a apt-get update. |
| 16:11.13 | minra | Cat, so the netboot is ur only option? can you boot from usb? |
| 16:11.14 | Achilles | hello |
| 16:11.21 | PerfDave | Cat: Your question is about making knoppix-terminalserver work. That's not a Debian question. You'll stand a better chance of getting the answer you need asking in a Knoppix-related forum. |
| 16:11.32 | Cat | minra: not from usb |
| 16:11.38 | minra | PerfDave, no his question is about repairing a debian system |
| 16:11.41 | Cat | Only from network. |
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| 16:11.44 | Cat | Thanks minra |
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| 16:12.13 | PerfDave | minra: Either way, knoppix-terminalserver is not a Debian-related question. |
| 16:12.28 | minra | acknowledged |
| 16:12.51 | minra | Cat, in your shoes, i'd be forced to put in another drive. |
| 16:13.00 | PerfDave | If I screwed up my MBR and was trying to fix it using the Win2K recovery console, would #debian be a sensible place to ask about that? |
| 16:13.05 | caphuso | "i need to install windows to use internet explorer to download a file to repair my debian system, who can help me?" |
| 16:13.17 | FieldySnuts | well, it is sunday i guess |
| 16:13.19 | Rebecca | lol |
| 16:13.28 | minra | jeebus - what about addressing the problem? |
| 16:13.42 | PerfDave | minra: I've addressed the problem :) |
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| 16:13.55 | Cat | PerfDave: Could you give me a way to repair my mbr from one of my another Debian system? |
| 16:14.11 | Cat | Through network? |
| 16:14.13 | minra | i could only do it if the machine were up and running on the net |
| 16:14.16 | PerfDave | Cat: You could take the drive out and put it in another system. |
| 16:14.29 | minra | if the machine *were* running, i can tell you |
| 16:14.40 | Achilles | join #debianchina |
| 16:14.43 | PerfDave | Cat: You could look for a bootable CD that runs SSH, possibly. |
| 16:14.57 | PerfDave | Or something other than this knoppix-terminalserver. |
| 16:15.01 | kib | on the bdebian package site what does the [security] that follows the packagename mean? means its secure or insecure? |
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| 16:15.03 | kib | or something else |
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| 16:15.20 | caphuso | kib: it means there was a security update for it |
| 16:15.32 | kib | but now its ok I assumethen |
| 16:15.37 | kib | alot of things are lsited witht hat |
| 16:15.38 | minra | dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 conv=sync,noerror |ssh -c blowfish ip.of.bad.machine "dd of=/dev/hda" |
| 16:15.51 | minra | something like that.... will put the mbr on a remote machine |
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| 16:18.02 | caphuso | minra: you need a count=1 in the first dd command |
| 16:18.55 | minra | very important that count=1 |
| 16:19.13 | minra | if you-re doing whole drive images btw ssh -c blowfish is said to be faster |
| 16:19.25 | minra | my dream is to be able to distribute drive images iwth multicast |
| 16:19.39 | PerfDave | Hang on, if this thin client can only boot from network or HDD, then any CD-oriented solution such as Knoppix will be useless. |
| 16:19.51 | PerfDave | You want a nice tftp server, and a remote-mountable root filesystem. |
| 16:19.59 | Cat | That's right |
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| 16:20.18 | Cat | And I thought there was one provided with Knoppix, but it is broken |
| 16:20.25 | PerfDave | But if it has a local HDD, is it a thin client? :) |
| 16:20.33 | tuxmaster | floppy |
| 16:20.36 | tuxmaster | use a floppy |
| 16:20.42 | Cat | I don't know the name, it doesn't matter |
| 16:20.48 | Cat | I don't have a floppy drive |
| 16:20.53 | tuxmaster | lol |
| 16:20.55 | PerfDave | !rube goldberg install |
| 16:20.55 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 16:21.24 | tuxmaster | does you bios support usb |
| 16:21.28 | PerfDave | Cat: Where are you trying to use Knoppix? |
| 16:21.39 | Cat | On another computer |
| 16:21.47 | Cat | No, it doesn't support usb |
| 16:21.47 | omerANT | on xmms, mplayer, apollon and others, font size and icons are very very small how can i fix this problem? |
| 16:22.08 | FieldySnuts | in xmms you can double the size that's about it |
| 16:22.13 | PerfDave | Cat: I'm guessing that this knoppix-terminalserver is something you'd need to explicitly connect to from a running system. What you want is something that enables PXE booting. |
| 16:22.17 | directhex | omerANT, sounds like a GTK1 issue. try install gtk-theme-switch and running gtk-theme-switch |
| 16:22.17 | FieldySnuts | mplayer, i thought was a console app so iguess you mean OSD? not sure about that |
| 16:22.23 | FieldySnuts | never used apollon |
| 16:22.45 | Cat | Exactly! |
| 16:22.45 | directhex | FieldySnuts, gmplayer in the marillat packages has gtk1 configs/dialogs |
| 16:22.46 | Cat | And that could allow me to repair the mbr. |
| 16:22.46 | PerfDave | Cat: So go do that, and forget about Knoppix! |
| 16:22.46 | Cat | Ok |
| 16:22.46 | FieldySnuts | @lart gtk1 |
| 16:22.49 | Cat | How to do that? |
| 16:22.50 | caphuso | @lart gtk* |
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| 16:22.56 | FieldySnuts | there you go |
| 16:23.02 | PerfDave | Cat: Google? |
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| 16:23.22 | PerfDave | Cat: http://www.ltsp.org/ may be a good start. |
| 16:23.33 | Cat | ok. Thanks |
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| 16:25.23 | jackah | i am trying to compile kernel 2.6.11.7 whit "make-kpkg kernel-image" and i got lot of errors about "drivers/gamma..." what do i need to do? |
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| 16:26.50 | minra | jackah, maybe it's trying to compile from the wrong modules tree? |
| 16:27.24 | jackah | minra: how do i change it? (sorry if my questioni is stupid) |
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| 16:29.31 | minra | i am not qualified to offer advice on that - just a guess |
| 16:29.58 | minra | the least useful people tend to have the most time to chat :) |
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| 16:30.12 | jackah | lol |
| 16:30.22 | jackah | ill ask my question on the #kernel |
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| 16:31.20 | valdyn | jackah: www.lkml.org, enter "drivers gamma" as search |
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| 16:32.06 | jt-tronix | salut |
| 16:32.10 | jackah | salut |
| 16:32.22 | jackah | ok valdyn |
| 16:32.45 | jt-tronix | j'ai besoin d'aide pour configurer le réso de debian |
| 16:32.57 | jt-tronix | ya quelqu'un qui peux m'aiderN? |
| 16:32.59 | jackah | si tu parles en anglais ya plus de monde qui vont t'aider lol |
| 16:33.05 | jt-tronix | la flemme |
| 16:33.08 | jt-tronix | lol |
| 16:33.17 | FieldySnuts | @stfu and speak english |
| 16:33.18 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP and speak english! |
| 16:33.25 | PerfDave | !fr |
| 16:33.25 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:33.33 | jt-tronix | thank you |
| 16:34.34 | jt-tronix | I need help for configure the network of debian, please! |
| 16:34.58 | valdyn | !faq jt-tronix |
| 16:34.59 | dpkg | jt-tronix: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:35.21 | jt-tronix | yes but it isn't that |
| 16:35.58 | jt-tronix | during the installation I put to configure the network in DHCP automatically |
| 16:36.08 | DoppelGanger | you guys sure can be rude |
| 16:36.16 | jt-tronix | and now i want to configure the IP manualy |
| 16:36.25 | Ermo | doppel |
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| 16:36.30 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Brilliant use of stfu. |
| 16:36.39 | valdyn | !faq jt-tronix |
| 16:36.40 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 16:36.40 | dpkg | jt-tronix: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:36.43 | Ermo | Doppel:what distero? |
| 16:36.46 | jackah | run base-config |
| 16:36.51 | valdyn | jt-tronix: that too is in the faq |
| 16:37.03 | shingouz | jt-tronix: man interfaces, you need to add a couple of lines there |
| 16:38.11 | Ermo | Dopel: under your bar ther is an optin called netwerk/internet point at it and then come a popup menu ther is a option called network card configration run it and it will work |
| 16:38.51 | jt-tronix | ok thank you |
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| 16:39.36 | DoppelGanger | Ermo: are you smoking |
| 16:39.44 | Ermo | no |
| 16:39.50 | Ermo | i thoug you asked :P |
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| 16:39.58 | DoppelGanger | he he nah |
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| 16:43.04 | omerANT | direct-hex:i've downloaded it |
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| 16:44.39 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: I meant no offense, btw |
| 16:44.45 | FieldySnuts | LIES |
| 16:45.10 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 16:45.16 | paulswm | Oh |
| 16:45.32 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: I thought the LIES was directed at me, my apologies |
| 16:45.35 | Phated | FieldySnuts: -ot pwease? |
| 16:45.40 | FieldySnuts | sure |
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| 16:47.42 | Temp[Away] | hmm, question: I've got an mIRC bot that I run on this XP machine. Is there a way to get it to run on my debian linux installation? |
| 16:48.21 | Crasp | Temp[Away]: if you're lucky it might run with wine |
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| 16:48.49 | Temp[Away] | and how do i get wine and try? |
| 16:49.12 | Crasp | www.winehq.org if i remember correctly |
| 16:49.26 | Crasp | or winehq.com |
| 16:49.29 | Crasp | something like that |
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| 16:49.35 | Crasp | might try .net as well while you're at it ;) |
| 16:49.36 | DoppelGanger | google |
| 16:49.46 | Crasp | exactly DoppelGanger ;) |
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| 16:51.24 | goat-see | sup gents |
| 16:51.28 | a_monkey | how do i know what a certain env var is? |
| 16:51.32 | goat-see | lol helix asked GNAA to flood this place |
| 16:51.41 | goat-see | i just wanted you to know that we wont do that |
| 16:51.42 | sanxiyn | echo $ENV_VAR_NAME |
| 16:51.53 | goat-see | GNAA doesn't follow orders from someone who has gay nick like that |
| 16:51.54 | goat-see | bye |
| 16:51.54 | goat-see | [G][N][A][A]™ -- http://www.gnaa.us -- Are you GAY? Are you a NIGGER? Are you a GAY NIGGER? 271 |
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| 16:52.39 | user_ | what is the best package, to install, ifi want to play some old games that run under dos? |
| 16:53.10 | supaman | dosemu? |
| 16:53.11 | FieldySnuts | oh christ |
| 16:53.27 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Don't you -hate- it when they just say "gents"? ;) |
| 16:53.35 | timo | user_, dosbox is nice |
| 16:53.38 | FieldySnuts | oh they can have the gn a a stuff |
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| 16:56.50 | jackah | what is the package that i need to use to automatically update my adress to dyndns.org? |
| 16:57.22 | FieldySnuts | root-me-please.sh ? |
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| 16:57.47 | streuner | jackah: ddclient |
| 16:57.58 | jackah | ok ill try it |
| 16:57.58 | paulswm | jackah: ddclient |
| 16:58.02 | jackah | thanks |
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| 16:58.07 | paulswm | dammit, too slow again |
| 16:58.12 | jackah | lol |
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| 16:58.34 | jackah | paulswm: 2 ppl tell the same then im sure it will works |
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| 16:58.43 | paulswm | jackah: It will also work with custom DNSes as well as the free ones |
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| 16:59.05 | minra | oh this cd history script is cool "cd -2" puts you where you were 2 cds prior |
| 16:59.29 | crisjoen | I'm having problems with certain keys not working when I'm ssh:ing to another host (typically AltGR+key combinations) what could be causing this? |
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| 16:59.47 | Overand | ok, how come on this system i installed ~2 days ago, the kernel is (according to uname -r) '2.6.8-2' which is apparently... old? |
| 16:59.51 | k0walski | How can I g et debian to download x11? |
| 16:59.56 | k0walski | thru apt-get? |
| 17:00.05 | Overand | oh, hrm. kernel version inherets from the age of the sarge net-installer disk? |
| 17:00.08 | crisjoen | thats only in forwarded X-apps (question above) |
| 17:00.09 | jim | Overand: what do you think the reason might be? |
| 17:00.18 | pngwn | heh |
| 17:00.19 | Overand | i don't mean old like 2.6.8 |
| 17:00.25 | Overand | i mean it looks like the current one is 2.6.8-13 |
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| 17:01.16 | mwilson | Overand: Yes, so? A larger version number is automatically better? |
| 17:01.26 | jim | k0walski: aww, learn the shell first... you'll be glad you did |
| 17:01.34 | Overand | well, generally, one assumes a larger version number is a 'newer' version number. |
| 17:01.36 | DoppelGanger | larger is not always better he eh |
| 17:01.45 | mwilson | Overand: Oh, wait... I know... an installer should magically change after it's released to incorporate a larger version. |
| 17:01.58 | Overand | oh for christ's sake |
| 17:02.01 | Overand | can you be more condescending? |
| 17:02.07 | Overand | I would really appreciate it. |
| 17:02.11 | DoppelGanger | ok |
| 17:02.13 | jim | yes, he can and does |
| 17:02.17 | mwilson | Overand: All those images on all those servers all over the world should just update themselves. |
| 17:02.24 | psylocibe | hi guys. i have installed my debian sid 2 days ago and audio is not working. the sound card is correcty detected but /dev/audio and /dev/dsp are missing!! what should i do? |
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| 17:02.40 | jim | but he can also be useful, which he does occasionally |
| 17:02.43 | crisjoen | rephrasing: anyone know how to fix some key-combinations (especially AltGr+key) not working in remote X-apps? |
| 17:02.53 | Overand | I assumed that, since the versioning convention all over the known intelligent universe has been 'larger numbers are newer revisions' that this is how it worked. |
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| 17:03.03 | Overand | No, newer is not always 'better' |
| 17:03.16 | mwilson | Oh, wait, we shoudl always toss out "tested, known to work well" in favor of "higher version, not as well tested". |
| 17:03.18 | Overand | but anyway, this is a non-issues, as the current 2.6.8-686 is -2 anyway |
| 17:03.21 | Overand | ok |
| 17:03.25 | Overand | mwilson: you're totally misunderstanding me |
| 17:03.32 | Overand | I'M NOT BITCHING THAT WE'RE NOT USING 2.6.11 OR WHATEVER |
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| 17:03.37 | Overand | I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DEBIAN RELEASE NUMBER |
| 17:03.40 | Overand | -2 |
| 17:03.40 | Overand | -11 |
| 17:03.41 | Overand | etc. |
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| 17:04.01 | Overand | chrissake, if you're going to chew me out, at least read what i fucking say |
| 17:04.10 | raz0 | Overand, Which image did you install from? |
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| 17:04.20 | mwilson | What YOU aren't understanding is that it's exactly the same thing. |
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| 17:04.34 | raz0 | Overand, And yes, a larger number does imply a newer version. |
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| 17:04.35 | jim | Overand: one thing, it's less important that you get the latest since debian has that apt-get thing (this goes whether you're talking about kernel version or debian release number or whatever that -number is called) |
| 17:04.37 | Overand | raz0: sarge netinstaller, but the issue is a NON-issue, i checked again and i AM using the 'current' version |
| 17:04.45 | Overand | look |
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| 17:05.00 | simonrvn | called debian version, FYI |
| 17:05.04 | jim | you can always just get it |
| 17:05.05 | Overand | i'm not worried about having the 'latest' version for any reason other than trying to deal with the !@#$ nvidia binary installer |
| 17:05.15 | Overand | 'debian way' not the 'official' one |
| 17:05.19 | Overand | i don't need that link, thanks. |
| 17:05.44 | jaro | hi there. having little problem - vmware had some problem with client os and didn't responded so I decided to kill it. However the virtual machine (vmware-vmx) stayed alive. I killed it with kill -9 but the process "[vmware-vmx] <defunct>" is still running and doesn't respond to kill. Is there any other possibily of getting rid of that process instead of machine restart? |
| 17:05.48 | Overand | jim: do you think i'd be in here talking about sub-version numbers if i wasn't aware of apt-get? |
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| 17:05.56 | mwilson | Of course you would be. |
| 17:05.58 | biggi_mat | hi. could someone copy me their auth (identd) line from /etc/inetd.conf |
| 17:05.59 | Overand | this isn't my first debian box and i'm not a newbie |
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| 17:06.09 | Overand | and you've been seeing me here for several months now, and frankly, *I* help the newbies too |
| 17:06.09 | jim | Overand: sure; those numbers predate apt-get. |
| 17:06.21 | Overand | jim: ... |
| 17:06.24 | jaro | sed/\(possibil\)y/\1ity/ |
| 17:06.52 | jaro | eh: s/\(...\)y/\1ity/ |
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| 17:06.59 | jim | Overand: you're getting beligerant for no good reason |
| 17:07.09 | DoppelGanger | he eh |
| 17:07.17 | resiak | jaro: I don't think that they're still running, but they are still occupying ram. /msg dpkg zombie |
| 17:07.22 | jim | I'm just trying to help |
| 17:07.35 | Overand | jim: how does 2.6.8-2-686 predate apt-get? |
| 17:07.42 | Overand | it is, as far as i can tell, the latest one in sarge |
| 17:07.50 | resiak | Overand: Yes, it is. |
| 17:07.55 | jim | Overand: the system of numbering predates it |
| 17:07.55 | simonrvn | he meant the versioning is |
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| 17:08.38 | jim | it looks like you're now switching arguing targets... what's that called? straw man? |
| 17:08.43 | Overand | anyway, i got beliggerant because mwilson took out his 'new versions of the kernel are not better and why do newbies always want us to have the most up-to-date kernel from kernel.org' as if i'm not aware of the testing that goes into it |
| 17:08.48 | Overand | ugh |
| 17:08.49 | Overand | look |
| 17:08.58 | Overand | i'm not a troll, i'm just worked up because mwilson chewed me out |
| 17:09.12 | resiak | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 17:09.13 | jim | Overand: that happens pretty often |
| 17:09.18 | resiak | :( |
| 17:09.22 | pipeline | Overand: NO testing goes into the kernel.org kernel. |
| 17:09.22 | jim | good idea |
| 17:09.27 | Overand | i'm not going to be a normal user here for like 3-4 motns and then suddenly mutate into a raging AOL-Using, windows-ME-benifit touting troll |
| 17:09.30 | Overand | pipeline: i'm aware of that |
| 17:09.37 | Overand | i'm talking aobut the testing that goes into the debian packages |
| 17:09.55 | jaro | resiak: yes. Occupying ram and disabling vmware to run that machine again. |
| 17:09.56 | jim | Overand: and patches, etc |
| 17:09.58 | DoppelGanger | ohhh too cold |
| 17:10.00 | Overand | I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH RUNNING AN 'OLD' KERNEL in regards to debian-version-2.6.8 re: kernel.org |
| 17:10.03 | Overand | yes |
| 17:10.08 | resiak | jaro: Ah. Not a clue. Sorry.# |
| 17:10.10 | Overand | i just don't want to be running an 'old package' |
| 17:10.11 | jackah | doppelganger: lol |
| 17:10.25 | DoppelGanger | oh i'm sorry was tht off subject |
| 17:10.27 | jim | Overand: ok, let's start over, because I want to get your original point, which got obscured |
| 17:10.31 | DoppelGanger | eh eh |
| 17:10.34 | mwilson | "why do newbies always want |
| 17:10.34 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.34 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.35 | mwilson | " |
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| 17:10.40 | pipeline | hahahah |
| 17:10.42 | jim | hahaha! |
| 17:10.43 | jackah | lol |
| 17:10.46 | mwilson | One too many lines. |
| 17:10.49 | mwilson | Ah, well. |
| 17:10.50 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 17:10.51 | gpm | lol |
| 17:10.52 | jim | gotcha! |
| 17:10.55 | resiak | !lose mwilson |
| 17:10.55 | Overand | ok |
| 17:10.55 | dpkg | mwilson: You Lose. |
| 17:11.04 | jaro | resiak: Is there any way how one can kill process without limitations? |
| 17:11.04 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:11.11 | resiak | jaro: *shrug* |
| 17:11.12 | simonrvn | happens to everyone sooner or later |
| 17:11.22 | mwilson | He "understands" it, he just "doesn't want to be running an old package." <snicker> |
| 17:11.22 | valdyn | jaro: which limitations? |
| 17:11.36 | DoppelGanger | seems tht way mwilson |
| 17:11.42 | DoppelGanger | which begs the question |
| 17:11.49 | DoppelGanger | does he know how to custom compile a kernel |
| 17:11.51 | mwilson | Oh, but he understands it. <snicker> |
| 17:11.51 | jaro | I mean - if i do kill -9 process, it won't kill some processes. |
| 17:11.53 | Overand | my original point of this whole thing is a non-point anyway, because i was mistaken. i thought i was running an older package than i was, because 2.6.8-13 is the 'current' for the generic i386 image, apparently, (?) but 2.6.8-2 is current for 2.6 |
| 17:12.07 | Overand | yes, i can compile my own kernel |
| 17:12.12 | DoppelGanger | do |
| 17:12.12 | jim | jaro: all "kill" does is send a "signal" to a process... you might look into what the different signals are |
| 17:12.13 | DoppelGanger | it |
| 17:12.22 | valdyn | jaro: you cant ( and you probably cannot understand why this MUST be like that w/o reading up on it ) |
| 17:12.24 | simonrvn | man kill |
| 17:12.29 | Overand | and mwilson, i don't want to be running an OLD PACKAGE because I'm trying to use the nvidia binaries, and would like to use prebuilt crap that other people have worked on, |
| 17:12.39 | Overand | mwilson: can you stop trolling for at least two or three minutes? |
| 17:12.41 | simonrvn | man bash, man woman, man man, ... |
| 17:12.50 | jim | jaro: and you might also look into how processes work, and how the management of those process works |
| 17:12.56 | resiak | Overand: nvidia-glx worksforme with 2.6.8-2-686, fwiw |
| 17:12.58 | Overand | I mean, some of us *do* like to keep up-to-date with the updates that debian.org releases re: kernel |
| 17:13.02 | jaro | simonrvn: kill won't help. |
| 17:13.09 | mwilson | Has Debian finally gotten away from their "throw the patch against the wall and see if it sticks" approach to building kernels? I know I'm not about to use a Debian kernel until they do. |
| 17:13.24 | valdyn | jaro: beside that - a zombie IS dead so you cant "kill" it ) |
| 17:13.29 | Overand | the only packages in sarge non-free are for the 2.4 kernel, afaik, resiak |
| 17:13.31 | Kerr | !nvidia one liner |
| 17:13.31 | a_monkey | where's the file that gnome-terminal uses to remember all of the commands i've ever executed? |
| 17:13.31 | jaro | jim: I think I understand it. There might probably be some problems with hanging file descriptor. |
| 17:13.31 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 17:13.36 | directhex | mwilson, debian's 2.6.11 is tragic. |
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| 17:13.44 | DoppelGanger | he eh |
| 17:13.48 | Overand | aho k i'll pull from unstable |
| 17:13.53 | Overand | either way i'm reading the site right now |
| 17:13.56 | simonrvn | that weird, 'cause debian's 2.6.9 was nice |
| 17:13.59 | resiak | Overand: *shrug* i build my own kernel module. |
| 17:14.06 | mwilson | a_monkey: Nowhere, since gnome-terminal isn't what's doing it... whatever shell you're running inside it is what's doing it. |
| 17:14.06 | directhex | simonrvn, it missed things out |
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| 17:14.12 | resiak | a_monkey: .bash_history . man bash |
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| 17:14.30 | DoppelGanger | finds a_monkey question quite amusing |
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| 17:14.39 | DoppelGanger | damn tht gnome-terminal |
| 17:14.58 | jaro | valdyn: Ok then. If process is in the zombie state (i expect <defunct> means so) and it's parent is init it should be immediately aborted (or finalized of whatever word we choose for the process of removing the process) |
| 17:14.59 | mwilson | DoppelGanger: Cluebies normally think the *term *is* the shell. |
| 17:15.04 | Overand_ | well, fuck me apparently, my router crashed |
| 17:15.10 | DoppelGanger | ok |
| 17:15.25 | DoppelGanger | heeh |
| 17:15.30 | valdyn | jaro: a zombie is aborted already. |
| 17:15.36 | resiak | :( |
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| 17:15.48 | valdyn | jaro: so it cannot be "immediately aborted" |
| 17:16.02 | jim | jaro: if you do this, you will understand why you can't kill certain processes, and what you have to do process-management-wise to get rid of the process |
| 17:16.06 | jaro | valdyn: I chose bad word. |
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| 17:16.41 | valdyn | jaro: its entry should be removed from the process table - thats probably what you mean |
| 17:17.20 | jaro | valdyn: I expect that zombie process is aborted but it waits for it's parrent to "collect" the return information in order to be removed from the process table. |
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| 17:17.46 | jaro | valdyn: until parent process calls wait() or similar method. |
| 17:17.53 | valdyn | jaro: yea |
| 17:18.06 | jaro | valdyn: I also expect, that init process does this repeatedly... |
| 17:18.14 | valdyn | jaro: yea |
| 17:18.33 | CompBrain | Anyone know if switching a powermac G4 to its non-standard video card will fuck anything up? |
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| 17:18.53 | kittonian_ | what's the command to msg someone else who is ssh'd into the same box? |
| 17:18.56 | Overand_ | hey CompBrain, you're just in time to watch mwilson accuse me of being a raging idiot |
| 17:18.57 | valdyn | jaro: thats right, if a zombie is already "owned" by init and its not being cleaned up, then its a kernel bug ( i think ) |
| 17:18.58 | aardvark | !macsmite CompBrain |
| 17:18.58 | simonrvn | CompBrain: might need to reset the video setting in OF |
| 17:18.59 | jaro | valdyn: Then I don't understand why zombie process with init as parent occupies the process table and won't be "dismissed". |
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| 17:19.04 | Overand_ | while my router crashes. |
| 17:19.11 | caphuso | kittonian_: write, talk, send a mail, ... |
| 17:19.12 | valdyn | jaro: see above |
| 17:19.15 | jim | kittonian_: look into talk, ntalk, write |
| 17:19.19 | jaro | valdyn: see |
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| 17:19.27 | silverton | how do I empty roots wastebasket? Or does that account not have one? |
| 17:19.36 | pipeline | silverton: It shouldn't have one. |
| 17:19.37 | CompBrain | haha, Im using a g4 powermac with a PC monitor, video card, and keyboard, etc, etc.. Just cant play DVDs yet |
| 17:19.41 | simonrvn | uh |
| 17:19.41 | jim | silverton: what's a wastebasket? |
| 17:19.44 | silverton | pipeline, okay, thank you |
| 17:19.45 | pipeline | silverton: You shouldn't be logging into a desktop with root. |
| 17:19.52 | resiak | Picture the scene. init: "Hey, vmware! j00 r teh dead lol" vmware: ":(" init: "pwned!" vmware: "Hah, I will rise from the dead. un00b." |
| 17:19.54 | simonrvn | @lart silverton |
| 17:19.55 | pipeline | silverton: Use gksu or sudo |
| 17:19.59 | silverton | pipeline, nah, just opening nautilus |
| 17:20.07 | pipeline | silverton: You shouldn't be opening nautilus with root. |
| 17:20.07 | paulswm | jaro: then google and learn about Unix processes and inter process communication |
| 17:20.14 | silverton | pipeline, okay, I won't do it again |
| 17:20.18 | jaro | valdyn: I think that it might be because of some file descriptors being used refusing to be killed. |
| 17:20.22 | silverton | pipeline, I just like a gui more then a terminal |
| 17:20.23 | Zibar | hi all, ive just installed debian sarge and im having trouble getting my radeon x600 graphics card run properly - ive tried changing the config th xf86config but when i boot it just reverts back to the old and ugly settings |
| 17:20.24 | silverton | :( |
| 17:20.30 | jaro | silverton: killed == closed |
| 17:20.38 | valdyn | jaro: that would be a kernel bug too |
| 17:20.40 | resiak | !tell Zibar -about ati drivers |
| 17:20.42 | Overand_ | silverton: don't use root in command-line either |
| 17:20.42 | resiak | !tell Zibar -about xmd5 |
| 17:20.55 | silverton | Overand, then how the hell am I supposed to do anything? |
| 17:20.55 | jim | silverton: btw, you know you have to be careful when you're logged in as root... |
| 17:20.59 | jim | yes? :) |
| 17:21.03 | silverton | jim, I know, |
| 17:21.06 | simonrvn | CompBrain: if you can, i'd insert the new video card in and keep the old one there, then you can see what settings you need for output-device |
| 17:21.10 | silverton | because it's like, the god account, and if I'm hax0red |
| 17:21.10 | hypno | silverton rm -r /root/.Trash/* or log in and do it the gui way |
| 17:21.11 | silverton | I'm fscked |
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| 17:21.20 | jim | yeah |
| 17:21.25 | jim | that too |
| 17:21.29 | simonrvn | CompBrain: then take out the old one once you're sure the new one is set up correctly |
| 17:21.32 | silverton | hypno, no trash folder |
| 17:21.33 | CompBrain | simonrvn: Its AGP, so Its not possible |
| 17:21.41 | simonrvn | damn :/ |
| 17:21.41 | pipeline | Zibar: dexconf -o /etc/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:21.51 | pipeline | Zibar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:21.55 | CompBrain | simonrvn: only reason im doing it is to get DVD playback to work |
| 17:21.56 | pipeline | Zibar: rinse and repeat |
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| 17:22.03 | jim | also better you know your shell, the less chance you'd have of screwing yourself |
| 17:22.04 | Zibar | ok |
| 17:22.10 | CompBrain | I dunno if its worth it, because its a 400Mhz G4, 384MB ram |
| 17:22.10 | simonrvn | CompBrain: how is it not working? |
| 17:22.15 | jaro | valdyn: that's nice. So I'm to restart :( which is "widnowsian" idea I dislike ;-) |
| 17:22.17 | Zibar | my card is a pci-express thingie |
| 17:22.20 | simonrvn | CompBrain: nice box |
| 17:22.30 | jackah | lol |
| 17:22.39 | valdyn | jaro: if you care about those few bytes memory, yes |
| 17:22.46 | CompBrain | Vlc/totem/etc crash complaining about video card memory then the screen tints yellow |
| 17:22.50 | paulswm | silverton: I think what he's getting at is that being root is alwways risky, so you can mitigate your risk by using sudo or fakeroot where possible. Even experienced people have accidents when logged in as root |
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| 17:23.29 | Overand_ | it only takes one, DoppelGanger |
| 17:23.30 | DoppelGanger | except for tht time at 1 yrs old when he wet himself |
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| 17:23.47 | Overand_ | a little slash in an rm -rf |
| 17:23.54 | valdyn | jaro: nothing is bug free, particularily not new drivers, so on any os, these things happen |
| 17:23.55 | silverton | paulswm, so, I can fakeroot with apt-get? |
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| 17:24.06 | Phated | You can sudo wirh apt-get. |
| 17:24.11 | silverton | oh, okay |
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| 17:24.14 | paulswm | silverton: I usually use sudo |
| 17:24.15 | silverton | didn't know that... |
| 17:24.23 | Zibar | what does dexconf -o /etc/XF86Config-4 do please |
| 17:24.27 | pipeline | silverton: also, gksu synaptic |
| 17:24.35 | silverton | I don't really like synaptic |
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| 17:24.47 | silverton | but I will prolly remember it pipeline |
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| 17:24.51 | jim | Zibar: man dexconf (but you knew someone was gonna say that, right? :) |
| 17:24.59 | Zibar | hehe |
| 17:25.01 | Zibar | :) |
| 17:25.10 | Zibar | i was hoping for a one-liner ;) |
| 17:25.22 | Overand_ | ok, how can I add the 'testing' sources without breaking everything? i need to set up an apt.conf ? |
| 17:25.22 | pipeline | I gave you the one-liner |
| 17:25.33 | travers | could someone tell me about this "debian eliteism" I keep hearing about? |
| 17:25.34 | Zibar | yes, thanks again mate :) |
| 17:25.38 | paulswm | silverton: It's not like a rule, but the less time spent as root the safer your system is, I have myself accidentally removed /usr and /lib and I've been using Unix for nearly 30 years |
| 17:25.47 | caphuso | man dexconf | tr -d \\n |
| 17:25.53 | silverton | paulswm, ouch... |
| 17:25.56 | streuner | travers: wth told you that? :-) |
| 17:26.09 | Overand_ | travers: we could tell you, but you're not worthy |
| 17:26.10 | travers | streuner, oh just various people... alot of Gentoo users |
| 17:26.14 | travers | lol |
| 17:26.15 | travers | =) |
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| 17:26.33 | valdyn | !gentoosmite travers |
| 17:26.39 | valdyn | travers: i tried |
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| 17:26.54 | silverton | rofl! |
| 17:27.04 | jackah | lol |
| 17:27.16 | silverton | I'm trying to get gentoo installed on a K6-2 and it keeps giving me hard driver I/O errors, and two hard drives |
| 17:27.17 | Overand_ | hey, gentoo is a perfectly fine distro. it has some advantages over debian, and debian has some advantages over it. CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? |
| 17:27.17 | paulswm | silverton: But a lot of people who migrate from Windows use root a lot becasue they've got insto the "administrator" mindset thanks to Microsoft's stupid defaults and the lack of education from Microsoft |
| 17:27.19 | d0s4gw | if i want to add user 'foo' to the sudoers file, what is the syntax for that? |
| 17:27.23 | travers | hehe, I don't want to start a gentoo/debian flame war, I'm just trying to get a handle on the common theme, spirit of the debian community |
| 17:27.32 | silverton | paulswm, werd to that... |
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| 17:27.36 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 17:27.37 | dpkg | Slackware rox0rz! |
| 17:27.37 | caphuso | travers: we're not elitist. we just don't accept the stupid, the lazy, the unworthy and people we don't like for various reasons |
| 17:27.47 | paulswm | d0s4gw: man sudoers |
| 17:27.48 | travers | caphuso, w0hoo! |
| 17:27.49 | silverton | the only thing I miss, is being able to play games |
| 17:27.50 | DoppelGanger | eh eh |
| 17:27.52 | Overand_ | paulswm: at least microsoft is pushing to fix that now |
| 17:27.56 | pipeline | travers: Use debian for a while and you'll "just get it" |
| 17:28.00 | silverton | which, I'm trying to do a cvs build of cedega |
| 17:28.08 | paulswm | Overand_: Yeah, only like 10 years too late |
| 17:28.12 | Overand_ | they've got a HUGE push to get developers to develop their apps with 'least privilege' |
| 17:28.15 | Overand_ | well |
| 17:28.16 | pipeline | travers: There's no one thing that you can point at and say 'THIS is why debian is vastly superior to all other distributions' |
| 17:28.17 | Overand_ | yes and no |
| 17:28.24 | Overand_ | the problem is the OS never really properly supported non-admin accounts until recently |
| 17:28.27 | travers | I'm running gentoo right now (please don't hurt me) and I'm rather sick of the community |
| 17:28.30 | Overand_ | winNT, sure, but that wasn't the common platform |
| 17:28.39 | silverton | gentoo users think they are g0d |
| 17:28.47 | streuner | !tell travers why debian |
| 17:28.47 | Ermo | ahah |
| 17:28.47 | paulswm | Overand: Yes, I was thinking of NT, you are right on the others |
| 17:28.49 | silverton | I like gentoo though, if they have a source for it, it'll work on gentoo |
| 17:28.50 | pipeline | travers: Why would we hurt you? You probably want http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:28.51 | DoppelGanger | travers: gentoo users suck and are stupid whinny bastards |
| 17:28.52 | streuner | !tell travers about why debian |
| 17:28.52 | silverton | it's nifty |
| 17:28.53 | jim | travers: what's the problem with the community? |
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| 17:29.04 | DoppelGanger | well except like 5 or so |
| 17:29.21 | Overand_ | heh, this community is great |
| 17:29.27 | Overand_ | until i get trolled by assholes =] |
| 17:29.30 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 17:29.38 | travers | well, jim, It seems to me that they're working to make Gentoo a dumber distro, like with a full-on GUI installer |
| 17:29.43 | DoppelGanger | Overand_: we keep you amused though |
| 17:29.45 | silverton | I'm surprised a noob like me hasn't been vastly 'trolled' yet |
| 17:29.56 | silverton | except, just a moment ago about using root like it's candy... |
| 17:30.00 | travers | jim, they hate the concept of GNU/Linux and preffer just linux |
| 17:30.02 | valdyn | jim: /j #gentoo and see |
| 17:30.06 | DoppelGanger | travers: yes they are |
| 17:30.06 | Phated | How does a GUI install make a distro "dumber"? |
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| 17:30.10 | Overand_ | yeah, well, a lot of people have used root like that. |
| 17:30.20 | paulswm | Overand_: That's normal, if you mean whom I think |
| 17:30.22 | travers | Phated, "click to install" |
| 17:30.28 | jim | travers: debian-installer can be a gui installer, iirc |
| 17:30.31 | silverton | travers, um...the gentoo does not have a gui installer |
| 17:30.34 | Overand_ | Phated: by assuming that people installing will have a graphics card in their computer |
| 17:30.37 | silverton | unless maybe, you used the 700MB cd |
| 17:30.37 | CompBrain | silverton: its getting one |
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| 17:30.39 | CompBrain | apparently |
| 17:30.41 | travers | silverton, it's in the works, almost finished |
| 17:30.45 | Phated | How is that "dumb"? "Ease of use" does not equate to dumb. |
| 17:30.47 | silverton | even for the live cd? |
| 17:30.49 | DoppelGanger | silverton: it has an anaconda one at present |
| 17:30.54 | travers | silverton, exactly |
| 17:30.58 | silverton | wtf?! |
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| 17:31.00 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 17:31.04 | silverton | actually, that'll make shit a lot easier |
| 17:31.10 | Phated | Overand_: It's hardly a server distro. One presumes a desktop has a graphics card. |
| 17:31.10 | DoppelGanger | for all the ppl who get sacred of the livecd |
| 17:31.12 | silverton | I hate installing gentoo with the 95 page guide |
| 17:31.33 | jim | Phated: but the more easier something is, the more dumber the users that could end up getting attracted to it |
| 17:31.35 | DoppelGanger | silverton: its 110pgs |
| 17:31.35 | silverton | I'm installed gentoo, like, four times |
| 17:31.39 | silverton | 110 now?! |
| 17:31.46 | DoppelGanger | it keeps going up] |
| 17:31.50 | travers | jim, I love you... that's why I'm disliking gentoo |
| 17:31.58 | paulswm | Awww |
| 17:31.59 | silverton | the one for 2004.3 was only like 95 when I started to print it, and my printer died :( |
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| 17:32.07 | Phated | jim: We've seen plenty of dumb users in here. That doesn't make Debian dumb. A distro is not judged by its users. |
| 17:32.09 | TU | i accidently deleted checksecurity.conf |
| 17:32.10 | silverton | travers, that's true love |
| 17:32.14 | TU | how can i get it back?? |
| 17:32.19 | mwilson | Phated: It's not? |
| 17:32.22 | Phated | Or its IRC channel, for that matter. |
| 17:32.23 | paulswm | !prize Phated |
| 17:32.26 | Phated | mwilson: No. |
| 17:32.27 | TU | i tried reinstall the package it is in |
| 17:32.30 | travers | a distro is totally it's users! |
| 17:32.31 | TU | but i couldn't get it. |
| 17:32.31 | Overand_ | so, how can i add the 'unstable' sources to sources.list without hosing my system? how do i get it to 'default' to sarge? |
| 17:32.39 | valdyn | TU: dpkg --purge checksecurity && apt-get install checksecurity |
| 17:32.40 | mwilson | Phated: How do you explain Gentoo, then? |
| 17:32.49 | silverton | Overand_, put them after the testing sources |
| 17:32.50 | jim | Phated: some of its developers aren't so smart either |
| 17:32.53 | silverton | but um...actually |
| 17:32.55 | silverton | nevermind |
| 17:32.57 | Phated | mwilson: I try to avoid that topic. |
| 17:33.02 | silverton | because I just comment my unstable sources |
| 17:33.04 | Phated | Gentoo, that is. |
| 17:33.05 | silverton | when I'm not using them |
| 17:33.10 | TU | valdyn it isn't a package it's a file. |
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| 17:33.12 | valdyn | TU: ( apt-get respects your config changes , as dumb as they might be.. ) |
| 17:33.14 | DoppelGanger | actually gentoo developers are good at one thing |
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| 17:33.17 | DoppelGanger | breaking stuff |
| 17:33.20 | Overand_ | yeah, but i need to pull down some unstable packages |
| 17:33.29 | valdyn | TU: its part of a package though, purge it and then install it |
| 17:33.41 | TU | valdyn Ok. so i force purge and reinstall? |
| 17:33.46 | TU | it's cron is the package. |
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| 17:34.05 | valdyn | TU: yea ( no "force" involved ) |
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| 17:34.11 | travers | how is the AMD64 support in debian? |
| 17:34.13 | silverton | resiak, I'm curious as to what that "dance" might look like, lol |
| 17:34.16 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 17:34.16 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 17:34.19 | jim | I thought gentoo was a response to debian's lack of ports, lack of differentiation between members of cpu families and long release cycle times |
| 17:34.21 | mwilson | travers: There isn't any. |
| 17:34.29 | silverton | haha! |
| 17:34.32 | TU | valdyn i HAVE to force it because cron is depended on by otherc shit |
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| 17:34.45 | valdyn | travers: its pretty good now, though theres no "official" support at all |
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| 17:35.17 | valdyn | !rdepends checksecurity |
| 17:35.23 | silverton | oh god...I was downloading at 5KB/s for a moment |
| 17:35.27 | silverton | ack..it's not going over 10! |
| 17:35.33 | silverton | my bandwidth has been real shitty lately |
| 17:35.36 | valdyn | TU: checksecurity.conf belongs to cron? uh? |
| 17:35.42 | TU | yea |
| 17:35.45 | TU | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=checksecurity.conf&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 17:35.52 | mwilson | valdyn: Yep. |
| 17:35.57 | jim | TU: if you purge and reinstall the package it's in (or that it's created by the packaging of), you'll get it working again |
| 17:36.05 | travers | ok, well thanks for the info guys... I've got some thinking to do |
| 17:36.09 | valdyn | TU: ok, add --force-depends to the dpkg --purge |
| 17:36.29 | Phated | resiak: I fear for the future of dance. |
| 17:36.42 | silverton | hmm...travers was not a true IRC'er |
| 17:36.42 | silverton | if he were |
| 17:36.43 | silverton | he'd idle and think |
| 17:36.44 | jim | that's not nice :) |
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| 17:36.57 | areems | sup helix |
| 17:37.13 | jim | another goat-see |
| 17:37.25 | areems | helix, join gnaa again, we have some serious business to do |
| 17:37.35 | resiak | Phated: I'm known in certain circles as "octopus dance Will". |
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| 17:37.48 | Phated | !ops areems spamming/trolling |
| 17:37.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: areems spamming/trolling |
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| 17:37.54 | Phated | resiak: See above. |
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| 17:38.03 | Phated | Thankyou, caphuso. |
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| 17:38.17 | silverton | dpkg is so damn leet :D |
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| 17:38.27 | valdyn | ah, there "Checksecurity was previously part of the cron package." |
| 17:38.28 | silverton | what's "trolling" ? |
| 17:38.41 | pmcdonnell | I'm trying to setup Postfix. I'm not having any problem sending mail to other users on my domain, but I am having issues with relaying, it seems: |
| 17:38.43 | pmcdonnell | Apr 17 12:32:43 mail postfix/smtp[7764]: AC5F2123: to=<patmuncc2@yahoo.com>, relay=none, delay=28, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=yahoo.com type=MX: Host not found, try again) |
| 17:38.56 | pmcdonnell | What exactly does that error mean? |
| 17:38.58 | jim | silverton: saying something meant to get a specific (and likely off-topic) response |
| 17:39.15 | TU | valdyn Rock on. |
| 17:39.18 | TU | fixedh |
| 17:39.19 | silverton | oh, okay |
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| 17:39.27 | TU | of course exim and the rest of the packages are probably fucked but |
| 17:39.30 | TU | cron works |
| 17:39.30 | TU | hehe |
| 17:39.37 | silverton | so if I came in here, saying "hey, how do I get windows to install so-so program?" |
| 17:39.42 | silverton | I'd get kicked for trolling? |
| 17:39.48 | Phated | Hopefully. |
| 17:39.53 | silverton | hehe |
| 17:39.55 | silverton | werd phaethon |
| 17:39.57 | silverton | er... |
| 17:39.57 | silverton | whoa |
| 17:40.01 | silverton | Phated, ..... sorry |
| 17:40.03 | jim | silverton: no, but we'd tease you unmercifully :) |
| 17:40.04 | TU | yea hopefully |
| 17:40.05 | valdyn | TU: you might have lost changes if you made any to cron files, nothing else should be affected |
| 17:40.17 | silverton | nooo...not unmercifully |
| 17:40.17 | TU | valdyn I didn't |
| 17:40.20 | TU | it was yresh install :P |
| 17:40.22 | TU | Fresh |
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| 17:40.37 | valdyn | TU: all fine then |
| 17:41.00 | TU | Ok cool. |
| 17:41.06 | jim | silverton: that person was a major racist/sexist guy or gal |
| 17:41.10 | TU | now i just need to roll my own kernel and i will be good to go. |
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| 17:41.16 | ILF | i told etherconfig my domain, now it displays it in shells behind my pc name. how do i get rid of it again? |
| 17:41.35 | silverton | jim, oh, okay |
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| 17:41.57 | TU | if i roll a 2.6 kernel |
| 17:42.05 | TU | is there anyway *not* to fuck up the rest of the system? |
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| 17:42.16 | jim | I recognized his username before he posted anything... apparantly he has something against someone named helix |
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| 17:42.19 | valdyn | ILF: edit /etc/hostname to change the domain, edit /etc/bash.bashrc or ~/.bashrc to change your $PS1 |
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| 17:42.45 | valdyn | s/domain/hostname/ |
| 17:43.13 | TU | valdyn |
| 17:43.17 | valdyn | !bunk 2.6 |
| 17:43.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 17:43.20 | jim | TU: you have to have certain things installed and/or upgraded to support 2.6 |
| 17:43.26 | TU | fuck. |
| 17:43.30 | ILF | valdyn: thx, you are awesome |
| 17:44.00 | TU | I sarge stable? |
| 17:44.07 | tarzeau | TU: no |
| 17:44.09 | ILF | valdyn: i guess the change in /etc/hostname will only be in effect after a restart, right? |
| 17:44.16 | TU | Well it isn't -stable |
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| 17:44.28 | TU | but is it stable in terms of will i have to consistantly worry about it. |
| 17:44.34 | paolo | Hi guys! is there a way in debian gnome (testing) to change as sysadmin the users' photos for the gdm selector without logging as any user? |
| 17:44.37 | tarzeau | TU: yes, just like sid |
| 17:44.38 | nksen | hi there. i'm running standart kernel 2.4.27-1-386 from the sarge distribution. i want to compile the nvidia driver with the nvidia installer. i tried to 'apt-get' kernel-source-2.4.27 and kernel-headers-2.4.27, but none of them works. with source do I have to grab? |
| 17:44.46 | TU | fuck this then |
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| 17:44.51 | TU | i will move to a more recent disrto. |
| 17:44.57 | tarzeau | paolo: ask #gnome |
| 17:44.59 | TU | i won't jump through hoops for no reason. |
| 17:45.05 | directhex | nksen, -1- kernels are insecure and unsupported |
| 17:45.08 | jim | no, it's testing ("middle of the road" stability-wise; means it only beats the pants off redhat... sid is about even with redhat stabilitywise) |
| 17:45.10 | phanter | hello. I just installed tightvnc on a windows computer. is it possible to connect to that vnc server from my debian-running laptop ? |
| 17:45.14 | tarzeau | TU: why not? it's working great |
| 17:45.19 | directhex | nksen, update to a -2- kernel, then /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:45.20 | TU | tarzeau 2.4 sucks |
| 17:45.25 | TU | i need 2.6 for hardware. |
| 17:45.32 | tarzeau | TU: i386 or real hardware? |
| 17:45.44 | TU | my Wifi card |
| 17:45.44 | tarzeau | phanter: sure |
| 17:45.50 | TU | and i think 2.6 is a better kernel. |
| 17:45.58 | ILF | phanter: sure, use any vnc client |
| 17:45.59 | directhex | tarzeau, i386 isn't real hardware? |
| 17:46.03 | tarzeau | TU: well it's a linux kernel... |
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| 17:46.12 | TU | hrm... |
| 17:46.18 | TU | So sarge is more stable than redhat? |
| 17:46.19 | tarzeau | directhex: worst shit i've ever seen |
| 17:46.22 | TU | i can deal with that. |
| 17:46.23 | TU | heh |
| 17:46.24 | tarzeau | TU: definitely yes |
| 17:46.25 | jim | probably |
| 17:46.27 | phanter | well. it will not connect. I get this little screen to put the ip address and after that nothing happens anymore ?!? |
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| 17:46.32 | jim | most of the time |
| 17:46.51 | directhex | tarzeau, just because architecturally it's a mess, doesn't mean modern i386 kit doesn't deliver more bang for buck than any other arch |
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| 17:46.58 | ILF | phanter: is your win firewalled ? |
| 17:47.01 | tarzeau | directhex: true. |
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| 17:47.06 | tarzeau | directhex: i hate the bios! |
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| 17:47.31 | jim | but the stable (currently woody) blows the doors off redhat stabilitywise... |
| 17:47.36 | phanter | ILF: you have got a point there. Hmm now I have to f*ck*ng find out how that works (gosh i hate windows) |
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| 17:47.56 | Xenguy | bloody hell - is anyone here using Shorewall firewall, *and* manually updating the 'bogons' file ? |
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| 17:48.09 | tarzeau | Xenguy: i used shorewall. what's bogons? |
| 17:48.18 | jim | so you have three different levels... experimental-as-all-hell-but-still-comparable-to redhat... |
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| 17:48.44 | Xenguy | tarzeau: the file used to be called rfc1918, but was recently changed to bogons |
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| 17:48.48 | jim | in-testing-and-therefore-beats-the-pants-off redhat... |
| 17:48.49 | tarzeau | jim: there's "experimental" too, an addon for sid |
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| 17:49.16 | tarzeau | Xenguy: it's an optional config file, right? |
| 17:49.31 | tarzeau | Xenguy: maybe it's easier if you just state your problems.... |
| 17:49.39 | Xenguy | tarzeau: it is optional, yes... |
| 17:49.45 | phanter | oke yes. it was the win_firewall that was irritating me ! |
| 17:49.49 | phanter | thanks |
| 17:49.57 | jim | that one probably goes below redhat... some project/experimental packages break everything in sight; redhat's hopefully better than that :) |
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| 17:50.25 | Xenguy | tarzeau: I want to know whether a 'bogons' file that I update manually should reside in /usr/share/shorewall or /etc/shorewall |
| 17:50.25 | tarzeau | jim: why do you compare debian to redhat? |
| 17:50.31 | tarzeau | jim: i mean, redhat is non-free |
| 17:50.35 | TU | to upgrade from stable->sarge |
| 17:50.43 | jim | cause it was the one I used before debian, I guess |
| 17:50.49 | TU | you just change stable to testing in apt.sources right? |
| 17:50.54 | Xenguy | tarzeau: the comments in the 'bogons' file appear to be contradictory |
| 17:51.03 | tarzeau | jim: that was some time ago, i guess. or do you mean fedora ? |
| 17:51.16 | nksen | directhex: hm. the kernel was installed by default I guess. anyway... how do I change to a precompiled -2- kernel? |
| 17:51.17 | tarzeau | Xenguy: have you checked bugs.debian.org/shorewall yet? |
| 17:51.21 | jim | no, it was some time ago... |
| 17:51.33 | directhex | nksen, it was only installed by default on RC1 or RC2. RC3 is current |
| 17:51.35 | tarzeau | Xenguy: i haven't used it for some time (i'm glad i can have my machines without firewall at all, at work) |
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| 17:51.45 | nksen | directhex: i see. my disc seems to be a bit old |
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| 17:51.47 | directhex | nksen, apt-cache search kernel-image, and apt-get install one of the results |
| 17:51.51 | Xenguy | tarzeau: it says the file originates in /etc/shorewall, but then says 'DO NOT MODIFY THIS FILE' |
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| 17:51.59 | nksen | directhex: i hope those kernels will run as well as the current one does |
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| 17:52.14 | tarzeau | Xenguy: funny .. it's like this: |
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| 17:52.28 | directhex | nksen, just security fixes, shouldn't notice much difference. except that kernel-headers-$(uname -r) exist with -2- kernels |
| 17:52.35 | jim | TU: in short, sarge works pretty good, and you see occasional new stuff in it |
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| 17:52.43 | tarzeau | Xenguy: "DECOMPILATION OR DISASSEMBLY PROHIBITED" of the video bios rom of IBM |
| 17:52.58 | TU | what the hell |
| 17:53.04 | TU | i can't seem to get apt-get update to work. |
| 17:53.06 | TU | it crashes and pukjes |
| 17:53.10 | silverton | nasty |
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| 17:53.16 | TU | Dynamec Mmap ran out of room |
| 17:53.17 | silverton | do you have to clean it up? |
| 17:53.17 | tarzeau | TU: i'm sure it's a user problem |
| 17:53.21 | TU | No... |
| 17:53.21 | nksen | directhex: i see. nice. thx a lot! |
| 17:53.23 | silverton | does it get all over the monitor? |
| 17:53.24 | tarzeau | !mmap |
| 17:53.24 | dpkg | [dynamic mmap] "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 17:53.26 | TU | i did apt-get update |
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| 17:53.52 | jim | TU: "crashes and pukjes:, while descriptive, it probably won't help us know what to say to you |
| 17:54.13 | green_earz | TU: try another mirror use apt-setup to pick one |
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| 17:55.18 | jim | TU: do you have a lot of stuff running? |
| 17:55.40 | TU | nope |
| 17:55.47 | tarzeau | TU: read what dpkg told you |
| 17:55.48 | jim | how much ram? |
| 17:55.57 | d0s4gw | how do you check which version of the kernel is installed? |
| 17:56.00 | tarzeau | jim: it's a known problem, since years, and there's a workaround |
| 17:56.04 | tarzeau | d0s4gw: uname -a |
| 17:56.19 | silverton | compiling stuff sucks nuts :( |
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| 17:56.29 | TU | 256mec |
| 17:56.31 | silverton | hmm....I wonder where my knoppix 3.8.1 cd is... |
| 17:56.31 | jim | oic |
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| 17:56.36 | jim | wow |
| 17:56.42 | Richy22866 | Having a wierd problem, when trying to upload files as user 'games' it does a bit then receive connection closed. server timeout but other users work fine. |
| 17:56.42 | Richy22866 | tried a few ftpds and same prob. what could be causing this? |
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| 17:56.44 | Daemon-- | lo, would anyone be able to tell me what the latest version of sarge is please? |
| 17:56.44 | tarzeau | silverton: depends what you compile... |
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| 17:56.52 | d0s4gw | has anyone here gotten an ipod to work with 2.4.27-2-386? |
| 17:56.53 | tarzeau | silverton: what is sucking your nuts? |
| 17:57.00 | jim | 256 meckles |
| 17:57.10 | silverton | tarzeau, compiling cedega from cvs |
| 17:57.13 | tarzeau | silverton: and why would you want a knoppix cd in #debian? |
| 17:57.17 | jim | dpkg, convert 256 meckles to quatloos |
| 17:57.18 | dpkg | 256 meckles cannot be converted to quatloos: Unknown unit 'meckles' |
| 17:57.19 | Mike`_ | hey, i can't accept file from gaim nor valknut. what must i edit to fix this? |
| 17:57.20 | Daemon-- | Richy22866 - try using port mode |
| 17:57.25 | silverton | tarzeau, I'm just typing out loud... |
| 17:57.28 | tarzeau | silverton: doesn't exist for me (powerpc) |
| 17:57.38 | silverton | I want my other computer booted and semi-working |
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| 17:57.49 | jim | dpkg, convert 2 dollars to quatloos |
| 17:57.50 | dpkg | 2 dollars cannot be converted to quatloos: Unknown unit 'quatloos' |
| 17:57.52 | green_earz | TU: and for a bit of background info on using apt-get > http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
| 17:57.55 | Daemon-- | #LinuxHelp |
| 17:58.01 | Daemon-- | upps sowwie |
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| 17:58.06 | ILF | how do i foward a port? got ipmasq for this machine t work as a gateway |
| 17:58.16 | silverton | tarzeau, what doesn't exist for you? |
| 17:58.24 | tarzeau | silverton: cedega |
| 17:58.47 | tarzeau | silverton: what is it? |
| 17:58.50 | silverton | tarzeau, compile it yourself? |
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| 17:58.55 | silverton | tarzeau, windows game emulator |
| 17:58.57 | tarzeau | ILF: i'm using www.linuks.mine.nu/cablecom/ |
| 17:59.01 | silverton | prolly wouldn't do you much good |
| 17:59.06 | tarzeau | ILF: errr wrong link |
| 17:59.16 | tarzeau | silverton: no, that's not what i want |
| 17:59.20 | jim | ILF: in later versions of ipmasq, port forwarding is disabled... you can enable it by changing a line in a file, but I don't remember which or what anymore... maybe someone does? |
| 17:59.22 | Mike`_ | why can't i accept files from gaim and valknut? |
| 17:59.36 | tarzeau | Mike`_: check with tcpdump |
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| 18:00.00 | steve_ | on debian- where is the .Xclients file? |
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| 18:00.01 | jim | Mike`_: you tell us... why? what does gaim say? |
| 18:00.03 | ILF | jim: why would it be disabled? |
| 18:00.04 | silverton | tarzeau, didn't think so ;) |
| 18:00.12 | silverton | yay! it's finally done compiling |
| 18:00.17 | tarzeau | silverton: you like games? 2d? 3d? |
| 18:00.19 | jim | ILF: maint thought that would be more secure |
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| 18:00.23 | silverton | tarzeau, 3d |
| 18:00.27 | raf256 | hi there fellow geeks |
| 18:00.29 | tarzeau | silverton: mind pasting the url to it? |
| 18:00.35 | silverton | cedega? |
| 18:00.37 | Mike`_ | jim; when i try to accept a file in any program, the process starts but there is no progression |
| 18:00.42 | tarzeau | silverton: yes |
| 18:00.50 | raf256 | I wonder can I take some icons from like KDE, Gnome, and put them into my closed source commercial application? |
| 18:00.54 | silverton | agemo cvscedega: Script made by ElmerFudd and GlaDiac to compile Cedega from CVS: http://cvscedega.linux-gamers.net Note: the CVS server is throttled and it may take time before you can connect. Also read: http://www.transgaming.com/license.php?source=1 for the password. |
| 18:01.02 | steve_ | hey- on debian- where is the .xclients or .xinitrc or .xsession files? |
| 18:01.06 | Mike`_ | and the user at that is sending me a file says that "you are not accepting the file" |
| 18:01.12 | silverton | tarzeau, ^^^^^ |
| 18:01.20 | Richy22866 | when trying to upload files as user 'games' it does a bit then receive "connection closed. server timeout", but other users work fine. have tried a few ftpds and same prob. what could be causing this? No quotas are set, connection is fine. |
| 18:01.26 | streuner | steve_: ~/.xsession |
| 18:01.28 | tarzeau | raf256: depends on the license of the icons |
| 18:01.38 | raf256 | tarzeau: and how can I check it? |
| 18:01.40 | tarzeau | raf256: check the icon with dpkg -S /full/path what pkg it belongs to |
| 18:01.41 | streuner | steve_: for example /home/user/.xsession |
| 18:01.44 | jim | Mike`_: ok, I see... it does look like something networky is blocking you |
| 18:01.45 | tarzeau | raf256: and then the packages copyright file |
| 18:01.47 | raf256 | like - what is the license.. oh, ok |
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| 18:02.05 | jim | are you behind a firewall? |
| 18:02.11 | Mike`_ | jim; i just installed debian and mess with very few files |
| 18:02.11 | tarzeau | raf256: there's gnustep-icons ... (these are LGPL) |
| 18:02.17 | Mike`_ | whatever debian installed i have |
| 18:02.25 | jim | and is the firewall doing nat? |
| 18:02.28 | raf256 | and what do it mean (LGPL)? |
| 18:02.35 | tarzeau | raf256: what closed source commercial application do you write? |
| 18:02.40 | raf256 | can or can I use them (or can but I need to give credit) |
| 18:02.43 | Mike`_ | and i did a web install, so basically i choose a base system with a window manager |
| 18:02.46 | tarzeau | raf256: the license for the icons in the package gnustep-icons is lgpl |
| 18:02.48 | Mike`_ | or two |
| 18:02.49 | jim | raf256: see the LGPL at gnu.org |
| 18:02.50 | steve_ | streuner- wha? that file is blank!!! |
| 18:02.51 | tarzeau | raf256: see www.gnu.org |
| 18:02.55 | raf256 | tarzeau: hmm does it matter :) ? well an graphics editor thingy |
| 18:02.58 | steve_ | i'm trying to setup fvwm |
| 18:03.01 | tarzeau | raf256: yes it matters |
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| 18:03.06 | tarzeau | raf256: tell me the url |
| 18:03.11 | raf256 | tarzeau: I dont understand english/law enought to check it |
| 18:03.16 | raf256 | tarzeau: url to my appl? |
| 18:03.20 | tarzeau | raf256: yes |
| 18:03.21 | streuner | steve_: use an editor and write something into /msg dpkg .xsession, /msg dpkg wm |
| 18:03.30 | tarzeau | raf256: well you will have to learn about it then |
| 18:03.32 | raf256 | tarzeau: well I cant, its only going to be used in some presentation in supermarkets, it is not downloadeable |
| 18:03.40 | jim | an icon can be lgpl? what does that imply |
| 18:03.46 | tarzeau | jim: yes it can. |
| 18:03.47 | streuner | steve_: 'exec fvwm' |
| 18:03.57 | steve_ | streuner- what? i am confused? |
| 18:03.59 | tarzeau | jim: that you can use the icon like software under lgpl |
| 18:04.02 | streuner | steve_: 'exec gkrellm &' |
| 18:04.09 | tarzeau | jim: why do you ask so strange questions? |
| 18:04.20 | jim | ditto! |
| 18:04.35 | jim | out of curiousity |
| 18:04.40 | tarzeau | raf256: that doesn't give you the right to not follow the licensing |
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| 18:04.57 | tarzeau | raf256: if you do, you will land in hell, right aside of Bill Gates! |
| 18:04.57 | raf256 | tarzeau: I know therefore I ask :) |
| 18:05.03 | tarzeau | raf256: good boy |
| 18:05.03 | Mike`_ | :/ |
| 18:05.09 | Overand | hm. sound via alsa on shuttle ss51g is broken. output jack on the back - right only. front: left only. |
| 18:05.19 | raf256 | tarzeau: oh no, not aside of Bill - he would probably butt-rape me |
| 18:05.46 | raf256 | !smite bill |
| 18:05.46 | tarzeau | raf256: ok, did you find out the license of the icons you want to use? |
| 18:06.01 | raf256 | tarzeau: not yet, I will do it in few hours (too much work right now it turned out) |
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| 18:06.36 | tarzeau | silverton: what's the difference between cedega, wine and winex? |
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| 18:06.52 | Zibar | gasp - its been a while ..... whats the command for installing a rpm again ? :) |
| 18:07.12 | _rene_ | you don't. |
| 18:07.21 | streuner | Zibar: don't troll here |
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| 18:07.23 | nicoOoO | hello |
| 18:07.24 | tarzeau | Zibar: rpm -e rpm |
| 18:07.33 | tarzeau | Zibar: and then ; packagename at the end |
| 18:07.47 | Zibar | i wasnt trolling |
| 18:07.49 | nicoOoO | anybody knows an IRC client that allows to use a different charset for each channel joined? xchat doesn't seem to allow it... /charset changes the charset of all the channels joined on the current server :( |
| 18:07.52 | silverton | um... tarzeau, wine is made for applications, and cedega is made for games |
| 18:07.55 | silverton | I dunno 'bout wineX |
| 18:08.01 | _rene_ | Zibar: debian isn't rpm based, and rpm is blocked for installs, so... |
| 18:08.03 | Overand | 'alien' is the program on debian you'd want to use, but screw that |
| 18:08.06 | tarzeau | Zibar: nobody cares about rpm here |
| 18:08.06 | Zibar | oh |
| 18:08.11 | _rene_ | Zibar: you have to find either a deb or use alien |
| 18:08.15 | directhex | !winex |
| 18:08.15 | dpkg | it has been said that winex is see cedega |
| 18:08.23 | Zibar | dang my nifty ati driver is a rpm package |
| 18:08.24 | tarzeau | _rene_, Zibar: or make a deb |
| 18:08.37 | streuner | !ati |
| 18:08.37 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 18:08.41 | tarzeau | Zibar: not our problem |
| 18:08.42 | directhex | cedega = winex 4.0+ |
| 18:08.50 | directhex | Zibar, fglrx is FAR from nifty |
| 18:08.57 | Zibar | oh |
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| 18:09.02 | Richy22866 | when trying to upload files as user 'games' it does a bit then receive "connection closed. server timeout", but other users work fine. have tried a few ftpds and same prob. what could be causing this? No quotas are set, connection is fine. |
| 18:09.26 | Zibar | well, could you advise me on the best driver for a pci-e baser radeon x600 ? |
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| 18:09.52 | directhex | Zibar, it's your only option. google for "flavio ati", and have fun |
| 18:10.05 | valdyn | !tell Zibar about ati drivers |
| 18:10.06 | directhex | Zibar, follow what flavio says TO THE LETTER |
| 18:10.10 | Daemon-- | please can someone give me a direct link to the latest version of sarge because i cant find it on the debian website? |
| 18:10.18 | directhex | !d-i Daemon-- |
| 18:10.19 | dpkg | Daemon--, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:10.35 | Zibar | ok thanks |
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| 18:11.11 | Daemon-- | dpkg - ok thanks but i dont know what im looking for because everything is weirdly named and there's so many i dont know which to download |
| 18:11.11 | dpkg | Daemon--: what are you talking about? |
| 18:11.15 | Overand | Richy22866: 'games' user doesn't allow that, apparently. just move the files there and chown/chmod them to games. |
| 18:11.16 | nilo | Anyone else having problems with mounting windows xp FAT32 disk using debian sarge? |
| 18:11.22 | tarzeau | nilo: no |
| 18:11.23 | Overand | Richy22866: what on earth are you trying to do anyway? |
| 18:11.43 | Overand | nilo: you *positive* it's FAT32 and not NTFS? |
| 18:11.43 | directhex | Daemon--, dpkg is a bot, and presumably you're on an intel pentim class computer, so want the i386 net installer |
| 18:11.45 | DoppelGanger | i386 |
| 18:11.53 | Richy22866 | FTP a file |
| 18:12.03 | Overand | Richy22866: i got that much |
| 18:12.07 | Richy22866 | it does allow it |
| 18:12.09 | nilo | Overand: Yes I am sure. I always see to that myself. I don't like ntfs. :) |
| 18:12.09 | Richy22866 | permissions are fine |
| 18:12.11 | Overand | first off, instead of FTPing to your own box, use SCP |
| 18:12.18 | Overand | nilo: why, too stable for you? |
| 18:12.20 | Daemon-- | directhex - hi thanks for that, yea the server is a pentium 4 2.8gig |
| 18:12.20 | Overand | =P |
| 18:12.27 | Overand | fat32 i fine until the fat dies |
| 18:12.29 | Richy22866 | Recomend any SCP clients for windows? |
| 18:12.34 | nilo | Overand: Too non flexible for me. |
| 18:12.34 | tarzeau | Richy22866: scp |
| 18:12.35 | Overand | Richy22866: winscp.sourceforge.net |
| 18:12.43 | directhex | Daemon--, then you have your answer. |
| 18:12.52 | nilo | Overand: It's a pain in the ass resizing it. |
| 18:12.54 | Overand | nilo: what about FAT32 is *more* flexible than NTFS? |
| 18:12.55 | Overand | ah |
| 18:12.57 | Overand | yes |
| 18:13.04 | Daemon-- | directhex - i want the full installer though, the full cd not the net installer |
| 18:13.07 | Overand | also, it's nie to be able to r/w from linux without using that ntfs driver |
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| 18:13.15 | Overand | though i do have to say, that's a really slick hack |
| 18:13.17 | silverton | Daemon--, the current cd images are so old... |
| 18:13.19 | directhex | Daemon--, why? |
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| 18:13.23 | nilo | Overand: yeah. |
| 18:13.38 | Overand | potentially he's going to be installing on a non-connected machine |
| 18:13.49 | Daemon-- | arr the net installer is newer than the cd images? |
| 18:14.01 | silverton | Daemon--, the netinst gets recent packages from the internet... |
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| 18:14.18 | Overand | yeah, the net intaller is 'bleeding edge' (as bleeding edge as sarge gets that is) |
| 18:14.18 | Daemon-- | ok i'll go for that then, whats the latest version please? |
| 18:14.27 | Overand | ... |
| 18:14.35 | silverton | I dunno, sarge is pretty damn recent |
| 18:14.38 | Overand | !d-i Daemon-- |
| 18:14.39 | dpkg | Daemon--, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:14.41 | directhex | Daemon--, rc3, i.e. the only one on the bloody web page i linked |
| 18:14.46 | silverton | the kernel is gettinga bit on the old side though |
| 18:15.00 | directhex | yeah, like anyone needs infiniband support in here |
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| 18:15.08 | Overand | HEY MAN |
| 18:15.10 | fusQuanto | what port is swat run on? the samba configurer |
| 18:15.14 | Overand | I'M RUNNING SARGE ON MY SUPERCOMPUTER. |
| 18:15.19 | tarzeau | silverton: that kernel (linux) sucks anyways |
| 18:15.21 | Daemon-- | ok ok thank you, just checking bevause i dont wan tot download the wrong one |
| 18:15.22 | Overand | superocmputer thinkpad 600e, heh |
| 18:15.28 | nilo | Overand: Have you got any good debugging tip for mount. |
| 18:15.30 | silverton | tarzeau, sarges default? |
| 18:15.32 | directhex | ooh, points to Overand who knows what infiniband is for |
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| 18:15.35 | tarzeau | silverton: any linux kernel |
| 18:15.37 | Overand | nilo: no |
| 18:15.45 | silverton | tarzeau, .... >.< |
| 18:15.49 | tarzeau | Overand: what's the specs of your supercomputer? |
| 18:15.52 | Overand | directhex: yeah, unlike what mwilson thinks, i'm *not* a complete fuckwit |
| 18:15.58 | Overand | tarzeau: P2-400 |
| 18:16.02 | silverton | my super computer is leet :D |
| 18:16.05 | nilo | Overand: Thanks anyway. |
| 18:16.10 | silverton | www2.lastshotnetwork.com/phpsysinfo/ |
| 18:16.10 | silverton | :D |
| 18:16.12 | directhex | Overand, important lesson: add mwilson to ignore. |
| 18:16.13 | Overand | but i use an infiniband interconnect to link it to my same-chassis dreamcast |
| 18:16.21 | Daemon-- | lol i shit quicker than that Overand |
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| 18:16.25 | Overand | directhex: i'm religiously opposed to ignore |
| 18:16.28 | Richy22866 | Overand whats the diff betwen FTP and SCP |
| 18:16.32 | Overand | but i'll use the mental ignore |
| 18:16.32 | Richy22866 | as I dont think I have SCP running |
| 18:16.36 | Overand | Richy22866: FTP is 'insecure' |
| 18:16.38 | Overand | SCP uses SSH |
| 18:16.40 | Richy22866 | but it still connected |
| 18:16.42 | Richy22866 | ok |
| 18:16.43 | tarzeau | Overand: no, it's just cleartext |
| 18:16.45 | directhex | Overand, configure your irc client to write in black on black in some special cases then |
| 18:16.46 | Richy22866 | and it runs on port 22 still? |
| 18:16.54 | Overand | directhex: haha |
| 18:16.55 | fusQuanto | what port is swat run on? the samba configurer |
| 18:16.57 | tarzeau | Richy22866: scp is slower |
| 18:17.07 | Overand | ftp over the internet is more or less asking for your login info to be stolen |
| 18:17.14 | directhex | anyway, time for a war |
| 18:17.14 | Overand | but yes, tarzeau is corret |
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| 18:17.18 | Overand | 'it's just cleartext' |
| 18:17.20 | directhex | Myrinet > Inifniband! |
| 18:17.20 | nilo | Any mount expert? :) |
| 18:17.25 | tarzeau | Overand: stolen by who? |
| 18:17.29 | Richy22866 | I have proftpd running, does that support SCP? |
| 18:17.33 | Overand | directhex: no way man. S-100 > infiniband |
| 18:17.36 | Richy22866 | or do I need to install a seperate service for it |
| 18:17.39 | tarzeau | nilo: sure. but that question didn't got you far at all |
| 18:17.39 | Overand | Richy22866: no, but your SSH server does |
| 18:17.48 | directhex | pfft. Quadrics > * |
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| 18:18.00 | Richy22866 | ok |
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| 18:18.05 | Overand | the wood on the sides of abacus > * |
| 18:18.10 | PRO1 | hey guys how do i removed shared librarys? |
| 18:18.17 | Rawplayer | dunno :( |
| 18:18.18 | tarzeau | PRO1: with rm? |
| 18:18.20 | nilo | tarzeau: I take it your identifying yourself with the term mount expert? |
| 18:18.24 | PRO1 | ehh |
| 18:18.26 | PRO1 | i used ld |
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| 18:18.33 | PRO1 | and now my program is broke |
| 18:18.33 | tarzeau | nilo: certainly not "mind reader" |
| 18:18.40 | nilo | tarzeau: I'm in need. |
| 18:18.43 | tarzeau | PRO1: i don't think ld removes files |
| 18:18.46 | Overand | heh |
| 18:18.47 | nilo | tarzeau: Ok so here's the thing. |
| 18:18.49 | Overand | ld is a linker |
| 18:18.49 | tarzeau | nilo: a/s/l? |
| 18:19.03 | nilo | tarzeau: 26 male. |
| 18:19.04 | Overand | !taunt tarzeau |
| 18:19.04 | dpkg | looks at tarzeau's dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee. |
| 18:19.07 | PRO1 | what would i do ? |
| 18:19.18 | PRO1 | ld -shared -o nowon.so nowon.o |
| 18:19.20 | PRO1 | i typed that |
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| 18:19.27 | tarzeau | PRO1: what do you want to do? |
| 18:19.34 | tarzeau | Overand: he was asking to get mounted |
| 18:19.41 | Overand | tarzeau: haaaaa |
| 18:19.43 | PRO1 | remove whatever i did when i typed that |
| 18:19.44 | nilo | tarzeau: I have a windows xp installation on /dev/hda1 with FAT32 filesystem. |
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| 18:19.53 | tarzeau | http://nilo.isgay.com |
| 18:20.00 | Diddi_ | AGainsT: Please turn your scripts off! |
| 18:20.01 | nilo | tarzeau: I used to be able to mount it, but now I can't. |
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| 18:20.05 | Overand | nilo: mount -t fat32 /dev/hda1 /your/mount/mount |
| 18:20.05 | jackah | lol |
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| 18:20.08 | Overand | er point |
| 18:20.12 | Overand | nilo: what happens? |
| 18:20.14 | Overand | what's the error? |
| 18:20.21 | nilo | Overand: Tried it. |
| 18:20.29 | nilo | Overand: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, |
| 18:20.37 | Overand | sweet |
| 18:20.38 | nilo | Overand: or too many mounted file systems |
| 18:20.41 | Overand | does the xp system still boot? |
| 18:20.49 | nilo | Overand: Yes like a charm. |
| 18:20.57 | drac | nilo: modprobe vfat, modprobe ntfs, and try again with both -t vfat and -t ntfs flag ;) |
| 18:21.05 | redduck666 | is there any command that checks what GA driver i am currently using? |
| 18:21.10 | nilo | drac tried it. Same result. |
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| 18:22.41 | nilo | Also I can't mount my usbstick anymore. |
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| 18:23.02 | nilo | Which is also strange. |
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| 18:24.58 | nilo | Overand: bloody annoying error. |
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| 18:30.57 | Overand | huh. |
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| 18:33.24 | Zibar | my kernel should be 2.6.8.2 - but i can only find the source for 2.6.8.1 on kernel.org ? |
| 18:33.48 | drac | Zibar: 2.6.8 and -2 is debian patches. |
| 18:34.01 | Zibar | aha |
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| 18:35.26 | Phated | !tell jackah about away |
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| 18:35.34 | Seb | where do I define the key combination to kill X ? |
| 18:36.02 | Seb | I switched shift with caps-lock, and right-alt with backspace, and now the usual ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't kill X anymore |
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| 18:38.06 | streuner | Phated: can you help with ob? |
| 18:38.13 | Phated | streuner: Ask away. |
| 18:38.20 | Phated | (Damn, no !anyone...) |
| 18:38.27 | tz273 | Hi! Please help me! I want to copy my iptables config to an other computer, but i can't find it anywhere! |
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| 18:38.35 | streuner | Phated: show me your ideskrc in #flood |
| 18:38.55 | Phated | streuner: Eh, I haven't been using idesk for a while. I can help configure it, though. |
| 18:39.03 | streuner | oh |
| 18:39.12 | streuner | Phated: what do you actually? |
| 18:39.16 | streuner | Phated: use* |
| 18:39.17 | jim | is idesk a mac thing? |
| 18:39.22 | Phated | streuner: Ob. |
| 18:39.29 | Phated | streuner: Without idesk atm. :) |
| 18:39.36 | streuner | Phated: and to show icons, nothing? |
| 18:39.43 | Phated | streuner: CBA with icons. :) |
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| 18:39.58 | streuner | !info idesk |
| 18:40.03 | streuner | jim: no |
| 18:40.21 | jim | what kind of thing is it? wm? |
| 18:40.23 | Phated | streuner: There's a .ideskrc in /usr/share/doc/idesk/examples/, have you looked? |
| 18:40.43 | streuner | Phated: yes :-) |
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| 18:40.55 | Phated | streuner: Well, pah, then you hardly need me to show you mine. ;) |
| 18:41.21 | jim | even if he shows you his?! |
| 18:41.21 | streuner | dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:41.21 | Phated | streuner: I used the default ideskrc when I did use it, I just finagled with the .lnk files. |
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| 18:42.10 | Phated | streuner: What precisely do you require of idesk? |
| 18:42.17 | streuner | Phated: it worked like a charm in ob2, since ob3 i have problems |
| 18:42.26 | Phated | streuner: Hm, really. Hang on while I start it. |
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| 18:45.07 | Phated | streuner: What icons are you using, by the way? |
| 18:45.18 | De_Mon | whats ob? |
| 18:45.24 | streuner | Phated: /usr/share/pixmaps/ |
| 18:45.27 | caphuso | De_Mon: openbox |
| 18:45.40 | Phated | streuner: I only have gaim in there. :| |
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| 18:46.16 | De_Mon | ahh /reads/ |
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| 18:48.45 | Phated | streuner: Starts all right for me. What's the problem you're facing? |
| 18:48.49 | kingsley | Has anyone here tried an HP Color Laserjet 2550 printer? |
| 18:49.14 | streuner | Phated: it shows nothing at all (icons) |
| 18:49.31 | Phated | streuner: No errors or anything? You're using your default ideskrc? |
| 18:49.56 | streuner | yes |
| 18:50.04 | Phated | streuner: How are you starting it? |
| 18:50.07 | streuner | Phated: maybe the permissons are wrong |
| 18:50.18 | streuner | Phated: .xsession |
| 18:50.19 | Phated | streuner: Hardly likely. I didn't have to change perms anywhere. |
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| 18:50.47 | Seb | I switched shift with caps-lock, and right-alt with backspace, and now the usual ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't kill X anymore; any idea where this key combination is defined ? |
| 18:50.50 | Phated | streuner: Hm. Try to start it from an xterm? Did you edit any of the .lnk files? ideks refuses to start if the pixmaps specified aren't found. |
| 18:51.57 | streuner | Can't load: /usr/share/pixmaps/galeon.png bailing -- Galeon |
| 18:52.09 | TU | if i am on sarge |
| 18:52.15 | TU | how do i update kernel? |
| 18:52.16 | badblody | how can i remove "pending tasks" in aptitude / apt-get without doing them? |
| 18:52.25 | Phated | streuner: Does the specified pixmap exist? Typo in galeon.lnk or anything? |
| 18:52.41 | streuner | Phated: no, i have to change that in .lnk |
| 18:52.57 | jim | TU: you could just get a precompiled image package |
| 18:53.05 | TU | that works... |
| 18:53.08 | jim | or you could build the package yourseld |
| 18:53.11 | TU | I want to roll my own. |
| 18:53.21 | Phated | streuner: You -have- a galeon.png in /usr/share/pixmaps/, right? |
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| 18:53.32 | streuner | Phated: no :-) |
| 18:53.41 | jim | what's the name of the c development metapackage? |
| 18:53.48 | resiak | !b-e jim |
| 18:53.49 | dpkg | jim: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 18:53.51 | Phated | streuner: ... Well... Change it to something that does exist. |
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| 18:53.58 | jim | thanks |
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| 18:54.06 | streuner | Phated: yes, of course :-) |
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| 18:54.10 | jim | TU: first apt-get install build-essential |
| 18:54.12 | Phated | streuner: Show me your galeon.lnk or whatever in #flood, please. |
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| 18:54.41 | TU | jim actually fuck it |
| 18:54.45 | TU | i will use a prebuild packae |
| 18:54.49 | Phated | streuner: Well, right now, it has to say in the file that it's supposed to load galeon.png. Otherwise it wouldn't try to load it. :) |
| 18:55.09 | jim | ok, I guess you can search on packages.debian.org for kernel-image |
| 18:55.14 | jim | and pick the one you want |
| 18:55.24 | resiak | !apt-cache search |
| 18:55.24 | dpkg | apt-cache search is probably the you use when your looking for .deb packages |
| 18:55.26 | TU | thanks |
| 18:55.38 | resiak | !apt-cache search =~ s/the/the commmand/ |
| 18:55.38 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 18:55.39 | Phated | ... What horrific grammar. |
| 18:55.39 | jim | dpkg: parse error |
| 18:55.44 | resiak | !apt-cache search =~ s/your/you're/ |
| 18:55.44 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 18:55.49 | resiak | !apt-cache search =~ s/.deb // |
| 18:55.49 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 18:55.55 | Phated | Go resiak go. |
| 18:55.59 | resiak | Sorry for the channelspam. *goes to /msg* |
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| 18:56.11 | Phated | Go go gadget grammar! |
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| 18:56.50 | jim | I know someone who was really into Inspector Gadget... ironically, he named his cat Gizmo |
| 18:57.33 | TU | i *love* keyed logins with SSH |
| 18:57.40 | Phated | Go go gadget gizmo? :) |
| 18:57.53 | jim | I think that's the general form... |
| 18:57.58 | Phated | Hah. |
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| 18:58.00 | asuffield | Phated: go and fall in a hole |
| 18:58.06 | Phated | Hellloooo, asuffield. |
| 18:58.25 | Phated | To what luck do I owe your esteemed presence? |
| 18:58.27 | jim | do I detect some conflict here/ |
| 18:59.08 | Phated | Merely great admiration faced with great contempt, I suspect. asuffield is ever charming. |
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| 18:59.25 | jim | as always |
| 18:59.30 | Phated | Aye! |
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| 19:01.49 | streuner | Phated: thanks, it works now, i used the wrong graphic files, xpm and such |
| 19:01.55 | Phated | streuner: Toldya. ;) |
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| 19:02.23 | Phated | streuner: Enjoy. You've just reintroduced me to idesk, actually. I forgot to install it on the new box. :) |
| 19:02.29 | ribnitz | Phated: greets to brasil.. |
| 19:02.48 | Phated | ribnitz: Dude. Singapore. |
| 19:02.59 | resiak | !lose ribnitz |
| 19:03.00 | dpkg | ribnitz: You Lose. |
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| 19:03.10 | Phated | ribnitz: Greets nonetheless, whassup? |
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| 19:03.36 | ribnitz | Phated: That country with the liberal government committed to freedom and democarcy? |
| 19:03.58 | ribnitz | Phated: wprking too hard. yourself? |
| 19:04.20 | ribnitz | Phated: All work and no play makes ribnitz a dull boy. |
| 19:04.32 | Phated | ribnitz: Yeah, -that- one. :/ Not working at all, by the way. :) Not till... about 34 days from now. |
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| 19:04.45 | Scrape | Anyone use libpam-dotfile, and know how to use it with NFS-mounted home dirs? |
| 19:04.50 | asuffield | like you ever do any work |
| 19:04.54 | Phated | Aye! |
| 19:05.05 | ribnitz | Phated: I am jealous, you got hoklidays. I don't. |
| 19:05.14 | Phated | What has you in such a dull and dreary mood, asuffield dear? |
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| 19:05.16 | asuffield | I'm know I'm irresistable and all, but please keep your hormones under control |
| 19:05.22 | Phated | ribnitz: So is everyone. :) |
| 19:05.23 | asuffield | amazon |
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| 19:05.57 | Phated | You only want to see the hormones when it's with fieldysnuts, don't you. |
| 19:06.13 | ribnitz | asuffield: I heard those amazons don't use their charms sparingly. |
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| 19:06.46 | Scrape | Anyone? |
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| 19:07.01 | asuffield | or with helix, that would be entertaining |
| 19:07.02 | resiak | !anyone |
| 19:07.03 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 19:07.23 | ribnitz | Scrape: I dont. also if you ask more precisely, you might have more luck. |
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| 19:07.33 | helix | hormones with me? |
| 19:07.39 | Phated | Ohno. |
| 19:08.12 | aardvark | !confuse helix |
| 19:08.13 | dpkg | Yes, what was our pineapple tomorrow, helix? wellies of the people's republic of swaziland with extra ham |
| 19:08.19 | helix | mmm, pineapples |
| 19:08.32 | Phated | Ham. |
| 19:08.40 | xam | spam |
| 19:08.40 | Piggy | o_o |
| 19:08.48 | Phated | Piggeh! |
| 19:08.48 | faw | ahahaha |
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| 19:09.22 | helix | woo, finland, here I come |
| 19:09.26 | schneiderj | Hello I have again a problem with my wireless card. I intall it with ndiswrapper |
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| 19:09.30 | Phated | You're going to Finland? |
| 19:09.34 | helix | yeah |
| 19:09.36 | timo | helix, welcome |
| 19:09.38 | Scrape | ribnitz, I'm guessing that the problem is this: libpam-dotfile uses a suid root helper app to access the password files in the user's ~/.pam directory. However, root can't access said files when the home directories are mounted via NFS. |
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| 19:09.40 | ridehard | hello |
| 19:09.40 | ribnitz | isnt pineapples what the child labour does when it stopped sewing shoes and weaving carpets? |
| 19:09.41 | helix | timo: you're in .fi? |
| 19:09.45 | schneiderj | Can you help me |
| 19:09.45 | resiak | !tell schneiderj -about enter |
| 19:09.51 | resiak | !vaguenesssmite schneiderj |
| 19:09.58 | timo | helix, yes |
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| 19:10.03 | helix | p2-mate: :) |
| 19:10.03 | p2-mate | just 3 days driving :) |
| 19:10.07 | asuffield | finland's all sex and alcohol |
| 19:10.07 | helix | p2-mate: oh, ew |
| 19:10.16 | helix | I wonder how long the flight from paris is |
| 19:10.20 | Phated | asuffield: Both of which we don't understand why you'd object to. |
| 19:10.21 | ridehard | I would need to bother some of you for help- newbie here |
| 19:10.22 | p2-mate | so I can at least bring proper beer with me :P |
| 19:10.24 | helix | asuffield: that can't be true :/ |
| 19:10.26 | ribnitz | asuffield: Is itr, because idf it was, I'd need to go. |
| 19:10.37 | Phated | No, you'r drunk enough already./ |
| 19:10.39 | p2-mate | and alcohol and normal prices :P |
| 19:10.41 | Phated | So am I. |
| 19:10.52 | asuffield | helix: it can. ask our finnish contingent |
| 19:11.02 | helix | asuffield: well, that won't be my finland |
| 19:11.04 | ribnitz | ridehard: ask away. |
| 19:11.06 | p2-mate | asuffield: that's good |
| 19:11.13 | helix | though I am curious how they're going to deal with the sauna stuff |
| 19:11.17 | helix | I guess the girlz will go on our own :) |
| 19:11.19 | p2-mate | helix: ? |
| 19:11.20 | ridehard | got to install wireless card on sarge |
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| 19:11.25 | helix | p2-mate: what? |
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| 19:11.43 | p2-mate | sauna stuff ? |
| 19:11.50 | asuffield | people.debian.org/~asuffield/quotes/dark for example |
| 19:11.52 | p2-mate | what problem do you see ? |
| 19:11.59 | ribnitz | helix: In some parts of the world they are not that puritan.. |
| 19:12.11 | helix | p2-mate: um. do you think I (or any other women) want to get naked around a bunch of DDs? |
| 19:12.12 | ridehard | I copied the firmware but then I don't know what to do.... note that I am new here and just about ok with apt-get ^^ |
| 19:12.20 | helix | ribnitz: these will not be finnish people |
| 19:12.21 | asuffield | helix: I think the finns do |
| 19:12.25 | p2-mate | helix: do you think they will rape you ? |
| 19:12.32 | helix | p2-mate: er, no |
| 19:12.50 | DaCa | helix: 1 hour and a half from brussels, wont be much different from paris |
| 19:12.51 | ribnitz | helix: fill me, in, anything planned?- a #debian get-together? |
| 19:13.01 | helix | DaCa: ah, ok, that's not bad |
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| 19:13.07 | p2-mate | hi DaCa :) |
| 19:13.07 | helix | it looked like it'd be ~4h |
| 19:13.11 | ribnitz | DaCa: Lille? |
| 19:13.20 | helix | ribnitz: the annual debian conference |
| 19:13.39 | DaCa | helix: but you're crossing a timezone so it will be 2 and half hours later :) |
| 19:13.45 | DaCa | hi p2-mate |
| 19:13.45 | helix | DaCa: doh |
| 19:13.56 | schneiderj | I use ndiswrapper, my card is found as well the driver but when I do modprob ndiswrapper I have an error : ndiswrapper not found ? |
| 19:14.10 | helix | DaCa: well, at least my jet lag won't be as bad that way (compared to how it would be if I were coming directly from the US) |
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| 19:14.18 | DaCa | ribnitz: what about lille? |
| 19:14.31 | helix | hrm, what's the difference between EST and whatever france is? I guess it's about 6h right now |
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| 19:14.36 | ribnitz | DaCa: 1.5 hrsa from paris and brussels, no? |
| 19:14.57 | ribnitz | helix: france has 21.14 atm. |
| 19:15.08 | DaCa | ribnitz: we were talking about helsinki by plane :) |
| 19:15.10 | Tsukasa | hello |
| 19:15.14 | ridehard | SO I would like to install my wireless card netgear WG511 but I have no clue , got some info on the itnernet and hence downloaded the firmware but then I have no idea what to do |
| 19:15.24 | ribnitz | DaCa: oh, ok. |
| 19:15.40 | helix | yeah, so I guessed correctly |
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| 19:16.24 | DaCa | helix: france is now in CEST (Central Europe Summer Time) which is GMT +2 or 21:16 now |
| 19:16.31 | helix | yeah |
| 19:16.35 | ridehard | Note that I installed debain sarge jsut 4 days ago first time ever so I am lost |
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| 19:16.41 | resiak | !debain |
| 19:16.42 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 19:16.45 | ribnitz | helix: I dont think many finnish people would care if you didn't wear a bathing suit i the sauna |
| 19:16.48 | helix | luckily I will be in france the week before :) |
| 19:16.57 | helix | ribnitz: I'm not worried about finnish people |
| 19:16.57 | ridehard | I can barely use apt-get (very nice thing by the way) |
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| 19:17.23 | ridehard | So has anyone of you an idea ? please |
| 19:17.24 | asuffield | I think lots of horny geeks would be disappointed by this |
| 19:17.26 | p2-mate | ridehard: she's worried about the male USians :P |
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| 19:17.28 | EvilDeshi | im receiving a grub error 15 is there an easy fix to this problem? |
| 19:17.48 | ribnitz | helix: you worry about your homeland securuities entry? - was in the sauna without a bathing suit, possible threat to the states? ;) |
| 19:18.00 | helix | ribnitz: are you retarded or just faking it? |
| 19:18.00 | Tsukasa | does anybody know any utility that can check a _bunch_ of jpeg files and find broken ones? |
| 19:18.13 | ridehard | I think I heard a shot |
| 19:18.28 | ribnitz | helix: yes, I am mentally challenged. |
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| 19:18.40 | EvilDeshi | my server was running perfect for the last 5 months or so then i noticed i couldnt ssh into the box and i rebooted it gave me some soft reboot message then when it went to boot back up Grub error 15 |
| 19:18.46 | helix | ok, I can safely ignore your questions then |
| 19:18.53 | ridehard | I am mentally challenged by my wireless card |
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| 19:18.56 | resiak | ridehard: What kernel version are you using? uname -a |
| 19:18.59 | asuffield | helix: I don't see why you're so desperate to go to finland to use a sauna anyway |
| 19:19.07 | bug_code | what folder that have ethernet card drivers.. |
| 19:19.09 | helix | asuffield: I'm not desperate to use it |
| 19:19.14 | bug_code | lile rtl18319 |
| 19:19.15 | EvilDeshi | will booting with linux rescue fix this? |
| 19:19.17 | bug_code | like |
| 19:19.20 | shingouz | finland sucks, trust me on that :p |
| 19:19.22 | asuffield | don't you get stupidly hot at home already? |
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| 19:19.30 | helix | asuffield: oh, they're different kinds of hot :) |
| 19:19.40 | asuffield | finland will suck *anything* |
| 19:19.44 | ridehard | resiak:debian sarge |
| 19:19.54 | resiak | ridehard: that's not a kernel version. Like I said, run uname -a |
| 19:19.54 | helix | anyway, people tell me finnish saunas are amazing, so I figure I might as well try it |
| 19:20.03 | p2-mate | shingouz: you have been there ? |
| 19:20.05 | ribnitz | shingouz: overprived alcohol, good social security, strange language, all protestants? |
| 19:20.06 | helix | if I want to do normal things I do every day, I wouldn't leave the country at all |
| 19:20.06 | shingouz | asuffield: a good reason to get out of here, this place sucks the lifeblood out of me |
| 19:20.21 | shingouz | p2-mate: do a whois on me... |
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| 19:20.34 | asuffield | helix: but the whole point of them is to look at naked people, so... |
| 19:20.44 | ridehard | resiak: LINUX |
| 19:20.46 | helix | asuffield: you can wear towels |
| 19:20.49 | shingouz | ribnitz: too much alky, social security is the pits but the language is very strange |
| 19:20.53 | DaCa | helix: I looked at the wrong ticket, its 2h50 bru-hel |
| 19:20.53 | helix | anyway, I don't want to see naked debian geeks very much |
| 19:21.02 | helix | DaCa: yeah, that's still not bad :) |
| 19:21.11 | resiak | ridehard: THAT'S NOT HELPFUL |
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| 19:21.21 | ribnitz | shingouz: i HEARD THEY TAX ALKY VERY HEAVILY. |
| 19:21.25 | shingouz | helix: if you are actually going to come over here, i'll stop by and say "boo!" ;) |
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| 19:21.36 | ridehard | Linux RideOrdi 2.4.27-1-386 #1 Fri Sep 3 06:24:46 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:21.38 | helix | shingouz: we'll be in otaniemi (if I'm spelling it correctly) |
| 19:21.39 | EvilDeshi | so is there anyone that can help me get my system back online with this stupid grub error? |
| 19:21.40 | asuffield | helix: towels aren't a serious impediment |
| 19:21.42 | shingouz | ribnitz: yeah. the only people on the planet who can get stoned on alcohol |
| 19:21.48 | helix | asuffield: they cover the important bits |
| 19:21.55 | helix | I don't care if people see my arms and legs :P |
| 19:22.02 | shingouz | helix: the spelling is correct. when if i may ask? |
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| 19:22.07 | resiak | ridehard: What processor do you have? |
| 19:22.08 | helix | shingouz: july 10-17 |
| 19:22.13 | shingouz | cool |
| 19:22.18 | ridehard | resiak: why ? |
| 19:22.19 | shingouz | should be warm here by then |
| 19:22.23 | asuffield | helix: the shape's clear enough. the colour isn't very interesting anyway |
| 19:22.24 | helix | warmth :( |
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| 19:22.29 | bryan | I'm looking for help with gs 8.01. The problem is I get an error message saying "set_cinfo_polarity: different polarity already set". Is ayone familiar with this? |
| 19:22.40 | ribnitz | shingouz: how far south is it? |
| 19:22.40 | TU | is there a tutorial on how to build the NDIS wrappers? |
| 19:22.42 | resiak | ridehard: Because I'm going to suggest you install a new kernel and want to make sure you get the right one. I wasn't asking out of idle curiosity, okay? |
| 19:22.43 | helix | asuffield: well, I don't exactly wear baggy clothes; people will be able to see my 'shape' anyway |
| 19:22.52 | helix | shingouz: daytona is so lame. are you crazy? |
| 19:22.56 | shingouz | ribnitz: helsinki? uhh.. google it? ;) |
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| 19:23.18 | shingouz | helix: dab is at least a bit warmer than this place. and the cape is close to daytona |
| 19:23.19 | ribnitz | shingouz: oh, thats quite far notrth.. |
| 19:23.20 | asuffield | helix: being wet and slippery is an aid to the imagination >:) |
| 19:23.21 | ridehard | resiak: why a new kernel ? |
| 19:23.22 | Eclipser | valdyn, remember our ATI driver conversation yesterday/the day before that? |
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| 19:23.40 | valdyn | Eclipser: yes |
| 19:23.43 | helix | asuffield: well, luckily I know you will not be one of the slobbering geeks :) |
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| 19:23.58 | asuffield | helix: not in your direction, at least |
| 19:24.01 | Eclipser | I just installed the ati drivers from the site dpkg suggested and ut2k3 works fine now |
| 19:24.02 | resiak | ridehard: Because there are precompiled ndiswrapper modules for 2.6.8-2 but not for 2.4.27 and it's easier if you don't have to build ndiswrapper yourself. |
| 19:24.03 | helix | indeed |
| 19:24.10 | ridehard | resiak:shouldn't I just need to install the fireware and launch some magic commands ? |
| 19:24.12 | valdyn | Eclipser: nice |
| 19:24.19 | ribnitz | asuffield: imaginig that all the others sweat as well doesn't quite hep it. |
| 19:24.19 | ridehard | rimeware* |
| 19:24.22 | resiak | ridehard: First you need to install ndiswrapper. |
| 19:24.27 | ridehard | shit.. I mean firmware |
| 19:25.01 | ridehard | resiak:what is it? what does it do ? |
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| 19:25.31 | resiak | ridehard: I'm so sorry, I've mixed you up with someone who was asking about ndiswrapper. |
| 19:25.32 | p2-mate | helix: you go to the LSM before ? |
| 19:25.43 | helix | p2-mate: no |
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| 19:25.57 | helix | I'm wondering what it'll be like -- I suspect everyone will speak french except me and mako :) |
| 19:26.23 | p2-mate | where ? |
| 19:26.31 | helix | p2-mate: it's in dijon |
| 19:26.55 | abrotman | mustard! |
| 19:26.56 | DaCa | thats the LSM :) |
| 19:26.58 | asuffield | eew, french |
| 19:27.02 | p2-mate | I know. I thought you didn't go :) |
| 19:27.11 | ribnitz | helix: very nice old town. |
| 19:27.12 | helix | p2-mate: I've never been but I was invited this year, so... |
| 19:27.13 | p2-mate | DaCa: yep. I won't be there :) |
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| 19:27.18 | asuffield | french people are all horny slime arseholes |
| 19:27.21 | ridehard | resiak: no worries lol |
| 19:27.23 | asuffield | s/slime/slimy/ |
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| 19:27.41 | streuner | asuffield: you ever were in france? |
| 19:27.48 | DaCa | p2-mate: me neither a I will arrive in helsinki on july 1st |
| 19:27.50 | p2-mate | helix: ah, so you are going ? |
| 19:27.50 | asuffield | on occasion |
| 19:27.53 | helix | p2-mate: yes :) |
| 19:28.10 | helix | p2-mate: oh, I misunderstood your question |
| 19:28.11 | ridehard | so can anyone helpme out on installing my wireless card ? |
| 19:28.15 | helix | p2-mate: yeah, I'll be there before debconf |
| 19:28.23 | paulswm | ridehard: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 19:28.33 | p2-mate | ah, so you miss the debcamp |
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| 19:28.37 | helix | yeah |
| 19:28.39 | directhex | why not m-a a-i ndiswrapper? |
| 19:28.47 | ribnitz | any chance that next time they organise FOSDEM, they pick the other brussels univ? |
| 19:28.49 | resiak | ridehard: http://prism54.org/phpwiki?pagename=Prism54%20Debian%20HowTo may help |
| 19:28.53 | paulswm | Don't use the ndiswrapper-source in debian it is too old, doesn't work with some cards |
| 19:28.56 | resiak | directhex: Because I don't think he needs ndiswrapper |
| 19:29.00 | resiak | paulswm: ^^ |
| 19:29.08 | resiak | paulswm: It's allegedly a prism card. |
| 19:29.11 | paulswm | google for ndiswrapper and your card to see if someone has already installed it |
| 19:29.25 | paulswm | Oh, no, he probably doesn't |
| 19:29.32 | zztt | if users u and v are in group g, is there a way for user v to change the permissions of a group-writable file owned by user u and group g ? |
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| 19:30.01 | paulswm | ridehard: forget what I said, you may not need ndiswrapepr |
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| 19:30.12 | resiak | zztt: Depends who has w on the directory, I think. |
| 19:30.15 | DaCa | ribnitz: which other brussels university? |
| 19:30.18 | resiak | zztt: But afaik only the owner and root can chmod |
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| 19:30.52 | Temp[Away] | Can anyone in here tell me how to run an IRC bot using wine? I got wine installed but I'm not sure how to use it |
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| 19:31.15 | resiak | Temp[Away]: Why?! |
| 19:31.16 | PerfDave | Why would you use WINE to run an IRC bot? |
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| 19:31.32 | steve_ | hey- how can i get an email adress @debian.org |
| 19:31.47 | streuner | steve_: become an developer |
| 19:31.49 | helix | hmm, mjg59's dfsg talk should be interesting |
| 19:31.52 | ribnitz | DaCa: not the Universitè Libre de Bruxelles. |
| 19:31.57 | Temp[Away] | because it's on my XP machine now, and i want to run it on my Linux box. |
| 19:31.58 | zztt | resiak: thx. in fact those files are copied to a server with scp. I can't figure out how to set the rights directly with scp... |
| 19:32.01 | pepperpot | If I use cryptsetup to encrypt a disk, and later get a bad sector, do i lose the entire disk? |
| 19:32.02 | steve_ | how do i become a developer? |
| 19:32.06 | shingouz | (something useful here, Neon Genesis Evangelion airs *now*. bbiab ;) |
| 19:32.06 | paulswm | steve_: get accepted as a developer, should only take a couple of years if you know the right people |
| 19:32.20 | zztt | ... in order to allow different members of a group to do deployments to the same files |
| 19:32.31 | resiak | zztt: sftp! |
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| 19:32.36 | paulswm | steve_: you can find out on the debian web site |
| 19:32.39 | ribnitz | paulswm: and a few forms. |
| 19:32.40 | asuffield | steve_: do you have a sister? |
| 19:32.40 | helix | steve_: well, you have to contribute to the debian project... and then go through a formal process |
| 19:32.48 | zztt | resiak: yeah, what I was thinking. |
| 19:32.48 | ridehard | ok I know about that prism thing and I picked up the firmware.. I ma readoing the howto now |
| 19:32.50 | streuner | haha |
| 19:32.57 | zztt | resiak: got to check this out. thx |
| 19:33.01 | resiak | zztt: np |
| 19:33.05 | paulswm | asuffield: that is very funny |
| 19:33.21 | Temp[Away] | resiak: Because I have it running on my XP machine now, but want to transfer it easily to my Linux machine and run it there. |
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| 19:33.29 | resiak | Temp[Away]: What is it written in? |
| 19:33.39 | ribnitz | DaCa: Guessing that the Libre translaties to Free Church ( -> Protestant), I guess the other one's catholic. |
| 19:33.46 | streuner | steve_: you need to know how to program |
| 19:33.54 | DaCa | ribnitz: well the catholic one is really in leuven, they have some limited facilities in brussels and kortrijk but the principal part is in leuven |
| 19:33.54 | Temp[Away] | resiak: mIRC is what I use here |
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| 19:34.08 | resiak | Temp[Away]: You'd have to run mIRC on Wine on Linux. |
| 19:34.20 | ribnitz | DaCa: which is like 30 km from brussels? |
| 19:34.31 | Temp[Away] | resiak: Okay, I have it installed. How do you run it? |
| 19:34.33 | elp | hi i have the following problem... http://rafb.net/paste/results/6jLZwQ20.html .. how to get my dhcpd to run? |
| 19:34.35 | DaCa | ribnitz: yes |
| 19:34.38 | resiak | Temp[Away]: wine programname |
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| 19:34.50 | DaCa | ribnitz: and I doubt they will organize fosdem there |
| 19:34.51 | resiak | Temp[Away]: More to the point, wine path-to-program |
| 19:34.54 | streuner | steve_: most likely C and C++ |
| 19:35.08 | Temp[Away] | resiak: okay thank you, ill try that after I get it uploaded |
| 19:35.10 | ribnitz | DaCa: "Conservative"? |
| 19:35.22 | helix | I'd like to go to fosdem one day |
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| 19:36.24 | ribnitz | DaCa: given that there are 3-5k people, if you charge a eur 5 entrance fee, you probably have the funds to get a decent conference facility, no? |
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| 19:36.53 | EvilDeshi | can anyone help me out? Im getting a grub error 15 when i boot it was all working fine the last 5 months or so but now i cant seem to boot |
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| 19:38.06 | DaCa | ribnitz: more for practical reasons and to avoid linguistic problems, the catolic university is split, there is a flemish (dutch) site in leuven and a walloon (french) site in louvain-la-neuve |
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| 19:38.58 | Scrape | How bad is "no_root_squash" for NFS exports? |
| 19:39.02 | WolfCub | Hey guys what was that one-liner to install the nVidia driver on Debian again? |
| 19:39.05 | paulswm | EvilDeshi: what's an error 15? |
| 19:39.12 | streuner | Phated: http://en.crystalxp.net/gallery/png1.php |
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| 19:39.39 | Phated | streuner: Nice icons. Love AlienAqua. |
| 19:39.59 | streuner | Phated: SuperTux is lovely :-) |
| 19:40.00 | ribnitz | DaCa: so if one organised it and the other didn't it would be seen as a "oh those flemish guys got it, and we wallons didn't" or vice versa? |
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| 19:40.13 | paulswm | EvilDeshi: It's actually a stage 2 file not found, you need to figure out which file it can't find |
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| 19:40.15 | Phated | streuner: Nice. |
| 19:41.01 | warhead | hi |
| 19:41.01 | ridehard | ok don't panic if I am gone I am trying out the card ;) |
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| 19:41.55 | warhead | I reload Debian (sid), but sid use kde 3.3.2, when sid go on kde 3.4 ? |
| 19:41.56 | alexscott | plop |
| 19:42.02 | tarzeau | warhead: who cares |
| 19:42.03 | streuner | Phated: those icons would be nice, but i cannot download any till 20 minutes ;-) |
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| 19:42.10 | DaCa | ribnitz: probably |
| 19:42.13 | tarzeau | warhead: go ahead, you can compile from source, or do the packages yourself |
| 19:42.20 | warhead | tarzeau: hm |
| 19:42.28 | Phated | streuner: wget? :) |
| 19:42.45 | streuner | warhead: /list #debian-kde |
| 19:42.59 | warhead | tarzeau: Kubuntu is on kde 3.4 (based on debian) |
| 19:43.07 | tarzeau | warhead: it's not debian |
| 19:43.12 | tarzeau | warhead: nobody cares (here) |
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| 19:43.54 | ribnitz | warhead: its easy to split the linux community along the borders of distributions. |
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| 19:44.06 | ribnitz | Is Yggdrasil around any more? |
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| 19:44.12 | warhead | tarzeau: that is not true, I hear many debian users word... "I wont KDE 3.4 on Debian" |
| 19:44.25 | oskie | groff doesn't seem to support HTML generation any longer.. any idea what's wrong? |
| 19:44.27 | EvilDeshi | i cant figure out anything since i cant access that system at all |
| 19:44.35 | ribnitz | warhead: thats kde on Debian, thats different.# |
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| 19:45.03 | tarzeau | warhead: can you make real sentences? i don't understand you |
| 19:45.07 | ribnitz | warhead: Just because its green and looks like a frog doesnt mean its a green frog. |
| 19:45.19 | aardvark | !confuse warhead |
| 19:45.20 | dpkg | Yes, what is your pants yesterday, warhead? pants of the monarchy of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
| 19:45.25 | tarzeau | ribnitz: too much fall for shiny stuff |
| 19:45.31 | warhead | tarzeau: hahah...... |
| 19:45.32 | Zibar | which packages do i need to get xconfig running ? |
| 19:45.38 | goron | Is it possible to background a running process (but still let it run) (thus not &). |
| 19:45.41 | tarzeau | ribnitz: and fail to see the really hidden beauty in the gray |
| 19:45.48 | tarzeau | warhead: what's so funny about that? |
| 19:45.51 | warhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.52 | dpkg | No, those is your weasel tomorrow, aardvark? wellies of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 19:45.56 | ribnitz | Zibar: you dont. |
| 19:45.56 | streuner | Zibar: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 19:46.01 | warhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.02 | dpkg | Yes, where are your ferret yesterday, tarzeau? wellies of the people's republic of belarus with extra herring |
| 19:46.02 | ridehard | ok.. on the webpage there is something I don't get... the third point ... compiling your kernel...like in Code maturity level opitons.. do I need to do that ? how to I change (and where) the CONFIGUE stuf ? |
| 19:46.06 | Zibar | thx |
| 19:46.21 | tarzeau | !breastfeed warhead |
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| 19:46.40 | jasonkb | what's the best way to run a program that needs to be run as root to start up, but never actually should be able to do any root-like things? it's a strange java app, fakeroot isn't doing to trick... is there some kind of cage application? |
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| 19:46.52 | tarzeau | jasonkb: selinux? |
| 19:46.54 | ribnitz | tarzeau: debian failso n those shiny polish graphica things. |
| 19:46.55 | resiak | ridehard: For that bit, see where it says that 2.6.6+ kernel images have it all set up? |
| 19:47.07 | warhead | tarzeau: I use sid,I need last software eg. kde 3.4 |
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| 19:47.27 | tarzeau | warhead: i don't believe you. or can you give a reason why you need kde 3.4? |
| 19:47.32 | ridehard | resiak: that the thing I don't know how to look |
| 19:47.33 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i disagree |
| 19:47.33 | resiak | ridehard: Just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 or -686 (depending on if you have a PIII or later (-686) or not (-386)) and reboot with it |
| 19:47.39 | resiak | !tell ridehard -about apt-cache |
| 19:47.47 | resiak | ridehard: _This_ is why I wanted to know what CPU you had. |
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| 19:47.57 | ribnitz | warhead: People who use sid, either know what they are doing, or want all the latest, without seeing the pitfals. |
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| 19:48.13 | Temp[Away] | resiak: Do I need to configure wine? |
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| 19:48.43 | resiak | Temp[Away]: That might help. |
| 19:49.00 | jasonkb | tarzeau: oh indeed, thanks, I didn't realize that was applicable |
| 19:49.02 | ribnitz | Phated: what was the weather like, today? |
| 19:49.14 | Temp[Away] | resiak: What's the command/what do I need to do to do that? |
| 19:49.17 | Phated | ribnitz: Wonderful. Kinda sunny, not too hot. |
| 19:49.25 | merkosh | hi there, I've written a program py/qt (under GPLv2) and would like to submit it to the debian archive. Is there a way getting it submitted without becomming a Debian Developer? |
| 19:49.37 | tarzeau | merkosh: yes there is |
| 19:49.41 | ribnitz | Phated: any outlook for the week? |
| 19:49.42 | resiak | Temp[Away]: Just run Wine, and for me it ran the configurator the first time. |
| 19:49.44 | tarzeau | merkosh: create a package, and become a debian maintainer |
| 19:49.49 | warhead | tarzeau: 6,500 bugs have been fixed in new ver. of kde |
| 19:49.50 | tarzeau | merkosh: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 19:49.55 | Phated | ribnitz: Probably the same. :) |
| 19:49.55 | Temp[Away] | resiak: Okay |
| 19:50.00 | tarzeau | warhead: any of the bug prevent you from doing your work? |
| 19:50.12 | tarzeau | warhead: that was not a reason! i would like to hit you. hard! |
| 19:50.28 | merkosh | tarzdau: thanks! |
| 19:50.38 | exciton | Hello I'm thinking about going debian but I wanted to know when the last release was and if anyone knows when the next is because I'm only on dial up so before I have someone download it for me I want to make sure I get the newest that I can |
| 19:50.39 | ridehard | i686 that's pro |
| 19:50.42 | Temp[Away] | resiak: No such luck |
| 19:50.44 | warhead | tarzeau: Yes, in new KDE 3.4 is better PIM integration |
| 19:50.46 | tarzeau | merkosh: what does the app do, where is the homepage? |
| 19:50.54 | tarzeau | warhead: DAMN |
| 19:50.55 | resiak | Temp[Away]: apt-get install wineconfigtk (IIRC) |
| 19:51.00 | tarzeau | warhead: that is not a reason. |
| 19:51.12 | tarzeau | warhead: is there something that you can't do with the non 3.4 kde? |
| 19:51.19 | ribnitz | Phated: You got nice weather, you got freedom and democracy, is there anything else you need? (we got bad weather here, and some fools thinking that some international treaty was a bad idea to sign...) |
| 19:51.27 | warhead | tarzeau: No memory leaking..... (smaller) |
| 19:51.28 | tarzeau | warhead: anyways. nobody here can help you |
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| 19:51.35 | thingfish | exciton: wait until sarge is released, which shouldn't be too much longer. |
| 19:51.37 | tarzeau | dpkg eat warhead |
| 19:51.38 | Phated | ribnitz: I have freedom and democracy? Which country have you confused me for again? |
| 19:51.51 | ridehard | installing the the image thingy |
| 19:52.14 | tarzeau | warhead: your arguments are bullshit |
| 19:52.16 | exciton | thingfish: Okay thanks and Ideas on like a month? |
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| 19:52.40 | merkosh | tarzeau: https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/lmc/ |
| 19:52.43 | thingfish | exciton: no, no ideas on when unfortunately. |
| 19:52.50 | Phated | ribnitz: Yeah, I wanna start school. There! --> http://www.sp.edu.sg/courses/EEE_DCNT.htm |
| 19:52.52 | ridehard | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.13 | resiak | ridehard: Well noticed. |
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| 19:53.23 | merkosh | tarzeau: its a movie archiving program; the .deb is already finished and ready for distribution - I just don't know how and where to submit it |
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| 19:53.45 | tarzeau | merkosh: you need to find a sponsor |
| 19:53.49 | tarzeau | merkosh: where is the .deb ? |
| 19:53.58 | tarzeau | merkosh: try in #debian-mentors or #debian-devel or the mailinglists |
| 19:54.17 | resiak | warhead: Once Sarge releases, Unstable will start getting new versions of softwares faster than it does at present. Currently there are no plans to put new major versions of things like KDE, Gnome, X, the kernel, etc into Unstable, since things in Unstable are supposed to progress to Testing 2 weeks later. |
| 19:54.23 | ridehard | resiak:so I am basically changing all my installation ? |
| 19:54.32 | resiak | ridehard: No, you're changing the version of the kernel. |
| 19:54.41 | merkosh | tarzeau: the .deb is not online yet. but it can be created from sources $ dpkg-buildpackage ... |
| 19:54.42 | tarzeau | resiak: actually, 10 days |
| 19:54.44 | resiak | ridehard: You'll notice no difference apart from that it makes those instructions easier. |
| 19:54.45 | exciton | oh okay thanks I know deb is a lot slower at comming out but I am running kubuntu and like deb a lot more then the redhat side of things and would like the full power of deb |
| 19:54.50 | resiak | tarzeau: == 2 working weeks ;) |
| 19:54.52 | merkosh | tarzeau: ok, thank |
| 19:55.04 | Eclipser | which one is better, fglrx agpgart or kernel one? |
| 19:55.10 | tarzeau | merkosh: can you do that, and put the debs online, or the result of what lintian -Ivi *.deb gives you? |
| 19:55.19 | ridehard | resiak: ok but I would have thought that having done the installation of debian 4 days I should have a pretty recent one ;) |
| 19:55.22 | tarzeau | merkosh: you're more likely to find a sponsor when the package is perfect |
| 19:55.27 | warhead | tarzeau: You are supid! |
| 19:55.36 | valdyn | Eclipser: no noticeable difference for me , ever, use whichever works |
| 19:55.47 | tarzeau | warhead: i never attacked you personally, you idiot! |
| 19:55.54 | tarzeau | warhead: be glad i'm not an op, or you'd be banned now |
| 19:55.55 | Eclipser | valdyn, I think they both work :) |
| 19:56.05 | warhead | tarzeau: $%&%$ Fuck Off |
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| 19:56.24 | resiak | ridehard: When you install Sarge, unless you say otherwise you get 2.4.27 as opposed to 2.6.8. You have a recent kernel, but not a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 19:56.40 | simonrvn | warhead, tarzeau: both of you, take it off channel, or shut the hell up, please |
| 19:56.41 | Daemon-- | would anyone be able to offer some help with setting up the partitions for debain sarge please? |
| 19:56.43 | ridehard | resiak:aaaah ok but it's still a sarge right ? |
| 19:56.50 | ribnitz | Phated: you have a president, a prime minister, several parties. |
| 19:56.50 | merkosh | tarzeau: lintian -i *.deb only complains about a missing man-page - which is not true, because its installed by the build-system; I'll check lintian -Ivi now |
| 19:57.00 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i fucking haven't done anything wrong |
| 19:57.03 | ridehard | resiak: I ma worried about my source.list |
| 19:57.05 | Phated | ribnitz: One hugely dominating party and a few minority parties. |
| 19:57.07 | warhead | tarzeau: If You can help , help me - in other way get lost.... |
| 19:57.11 | tarzeau | merkosh: put it online |
| 19:57.21 | simonrvn | tarzeau: set him/her on /ignore. be happy |
| 19:57.21 | resiak | ridehard: What have you done to it? |
| 19:57.25 | ribnitz | Phated: "several parties" |
| 19:57.29 | asuffield | ribnitz: their government is pretty much the textbook example of "corruption" |
| 19:57.29 | Phated | ribnitz: |
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| 19:57.36 | warhead | simonrvn: You are in Right |
| 19:57.37 | Phated | ribnitz: Yeah what he said. |
| 19:57.39 | onemanarmy | hello all |
| 19:57.43 | ribnitz | asuffield: I know. |
| 19:57.48 | ridehard | resiak:jsut that if it's not a sarge anymore I I will have to change the links names |
| 19:57.54 | simonrvn | warhead: guess what, i'm putting you on /ignore too |
| 19:57.56 | warhead | Lets go, my problem is how to write on ntfs fs ? |
| 19:58.06 | resiak | ridehard: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 is part of sarge |
| 19:58.06 | simonrvn | you don't |
| 19:58.08 | directhex | warhead, you don't |
| 19:58.09 | resiak | !ntfsrw |
| 19:58.09 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. |
| 19:58.17 | asuffield | mostly you get to vote for who is going to receive the bribes |
| 19:58.23 | onemanarmy | i have a problem trying to get atitvout to work |
| 19:58.26 | ridehard | resiak:ok yes of course coz I am getting it from.. sarge |
| 19:58.30 | asuffield | this is possibly not very productive |
| 19:58.31 | resiak | ridehard: Exactly. |
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| 19:58.36 | simonrvn | asuffield: basically |
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| 19:59.06 | onemanarmy | anyone i could ask around here? |
| 19:59.07 | ribnitz | asuffield: Nevertheless, they managed to come up with a working market economy and are considered to be one of the tiger states in se asia |
| 19:59.27 | ribnitz | Phated: looks good. |
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| 19:59.44 | Phated | ribnitz: ? |
| 19:59.44 | asuffield | helix: did you forget to graze today? |
| 19:59.49 | ridehard | an extra question while it's loading the stuf.. what irc are you guy using ? I am using xchat is there a "better one" |
| 19:59.51 | helix | I should go graze now |
| 19:59.52 | asuffield | ribnitz: so is china |
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| 20:00.03 | ridehard | guyS* |
| 20:00.12 | tarzeau | ridehard: TalkSoup.app |
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| 20:01.04 | warhead | What I need to enable in kernel for usb memory stick? |
| 20:01.15 | resiak | !usb-storage |
| 20:01.15 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 20:01.17 | valdyn | ridehard: xchat and irssi are probably the most popular ones |
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| 20:01.46 | warhead | resiak: tnx. |
| 20:01.46 | ridehard | valdyn: do you the difference bewteen the two, I've always used xchat |
| 20:01.49 | valdyn | ridehard: ( i might miss some popular kde irc client, if that exists ) |
| 20:01.49 | ridehard | know |
| 20:02.02 | valdyn | ridehard: irssi is curses based |
| 20:02.25 | Hara_ | could someone come in private to talk about installation process? |
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| 20:02.38 | streuner_ | !msg me |
| 20:02.38 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg streuner_. |
| 20:02.48 | streuner_ | Hara_: ask in channel |
| 20:02.55 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 20:03.10 | Hara_ | i'm running mepis live cd at the moment |
| 20:03.16 | ridehard | valdyn: what do you mean ? |
| 20:03.16 | Hara_ | and i want to install it |
| 20:03.17 | xrgtn | Hara_: debian install -- #debian-boot? |
| 20:03.19 | warhead | nice...when I put usb memory stick I have /dev/uba |
| 20:03.19 | tarzeau | Hara_: #mepis |
| 20:03.23 | warhead | :-) |
| 20:03.24 | directhex | Hara_, so ask #mepis how to install mepis |
| 20:03.32 | valdyn | ridehard: runs in a terminal |
| 20:03.37 | helix | xrgtn: #debian-boot is not for user questions |
| 20:03.39 | directhex | warhead, what distribution do you run? |
| 20:03.42 | helix | xrgtn: please don't send people there.. :) |
| 20:03.49 | warhead | directhex: Debian 3.1 sid |
| 20:03.57 | cah | mepis should automatically run usb devices though |
| 20:03.58 | xrgtn | OK. |
| 20:04.04 | ridehard | valdyn:aaah ok might be interesting.. mus tbe lighter than xchat |
| 20:04.15 | directhex | warhead, sid doesn't use /dev/ub* |
| 20:04.21 | valdyn | ridehard: that it is certainly |
| 20:04.30 | xrgtn | Is there anybody from PAM team here? Or cron maintainers? |
| 20:04.34 | jnk | just wondering... isn't mepis kind of proprietary? |
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| 20:04.48 | xrgtn | Or do you know PAM related channel? |
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| 20:05.00 | ridehard | valdyn: I'll check it out thanks |
| 20:05.01 | warhead | directhex: My version, use /dev/uba |
| 20:05.08 | tarzeau | xrgtn: can you just ask? |
| 20:05.08 | ridehard | valdyn: I'll check it out thanks |
| 20:05.13 | ridehard | oups sorry |
| 20:05.15 | resiak | warhead: How did you install your version? |
| 20:05.22 | directhex | warhead, "your version" isn't kanotix is it? |
| 20:05.32 | xrgtn | tarzeau> xrgtn: can you just ask? |
| 20:05.33 | xrgtn | 23:07 < ridehard> valdyn: I'll check it out thanks |
| 20:05.56 | resiak | xrgtn: My, that was redundant. |
| 20:05.57 | warhead | directhex: I download last debian 3.1 sarge netinstall, then I upgrade debian on sid |
| 20:05.58 | resiak | ;) |
| 20:05.59 | xrgtn | tarzeau: sorry, what do you mean by "just ask"? Here? |
| 20:06.06 | caphuso | warhead: time to compile your kernel without CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB set |
| 20:06.09 | tarzeau | xrgtn: well "Is there anybody from PAM team here? Or cron maintainers?" won't bring you anywhere |
| 20:06.13 | resiak | warhead: Have you been messing with udev? |
| 20:06.13 | simonrvn | @tell xrgtn -about ask |
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| 20:06.14 | ridehard | xrgtn:I am from the sheep-team |
| 20:06.45 | caphuso | /dev/ub* has nothing to do with sid or udev |
| 20:06.57 | valdyn | xrgtn: good luck finding the 1(?) cron maintainer online |
| 20:07.01 | warhead | caphuso: Uba is not good? |
| 20:07.08 | ridehard | what's a sid ? |
| 20:07.13 | directhex | i didn't realise it was someone using a non-debian kernel |
| 20:07.15 | tarzeau | ridehard: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:07.17 | streuner_ | ridehard: /msg dpkg sid |
| 20:07.18 | xam | warhead: uba is slow |
| 20:07.21 | resiak | caphuso: You could make udev make /dev/ub* nodes. |
| 20:07.24 | caphuso | warhead: took my over an hour today to copy a 1.7GiB file on a USB-2 disk |
| 20:07.34 | caphuso | resiak: you can use MAKEDEV too |
| 20:07.54 | resiak | caphuso: True, but who would go through and systematically change their static /dev/ to use ub* |
| 20:07.56 | ridehard | ah lol ok I answered the guy earlier lol ! just a bot |
| 20:07.57 | warhead | xam: Oh...that is not good |
| 20:08.13 | caphuso | resiak: i think you don't understand the situation |
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| 20:08.28 | ridehard | ah yeah ok I remember now someone telling me about it cheers |
| 20:08.49 | resiak | caphuso: He has a kernel option set, sure. But all I mean is that someone _could_ make udev give usb devices the _names_ /dev/ub* |
| 20:08.58 | caphuso | resiak: when you enable CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB in your kernel config, then you will end up using /dev/ub* and not /dev/sd*, because that's the devices the ub driver uses |
| 20:09.16 | ridehard | resiak:still loading -- just in case you are wodering ;) |
| 20:09.18 | ridehard | n |
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| 20:09.29 | xam | resiak: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB and the usb-storage driver are mutually exclusive |
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| 20:09.30 | resiak | caphuso: Sure, I get it. I didn't realise that that option existed until 5 minutes ago, though: thanks. |
| 20:09.34 | steve_ | hey- i just installed mutt |
| 20:09.40 | steve_ | where is the mutt config file? |
| 20:09.52 | caphuso | steve_: ~/.muttrc |
| 20:09.54 | _rene_ | system-wide: /etc/Muttrc |
| 20:09.59 | _rene_ | per-user: ~/.muttrc |
| 20:10.12 | warhead | caphuso: Oh, I need turn off blk_dev_ub .. |
| 20:10.16 | resiak | xam: Oh, it's the one labelled "THIS ONE IS SLOW DO NOT USE IT!" or something like that, right? |
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| 20:10.20 | steve | hi all |
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| 20:10.30 | xam | resiak: exactly ;) |
| 20:10.31 | steve | I have a routing question: I have 3 NICs in a linux router I'm building. one uplink to a router which connects to the internet, one connects to a switch, and the other goes to another router. the problem is, 2 of these NICs (the internet gateway and the switch) share the same IP subnet |
| 20:10.32 | steve | which confuses linux so only one will work :| any ideas? |
| 20:10.54 | xrgtn | steve: yes |
| 20:11.07 | xrgtn | steve: in private, probably |
| 20:11.19 | valdyn | steve: so put them on different subnets |
| 20:11.34 | xrgtn | valdyn: not a solution |
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| 20:12.19 | valdyn | xrgtn: bs |
| 20:12.25 | sussi | whats hapens to debian.de is dead? |
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| 20:12.59 | warhead | caphuso: Aha....yes I have options in my .config ==> <*> Low Performance USB Block driver |
| 20:13.13 | rrt | i just installed a k7 kernel image and system loops on reboot at pcmcia portion of boot. how would i fix this? |
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| 20:13.17 | caphuso | warhead: "low performance" is an understatement... |
| 20:13.22 | valdyn | sussi: its not dead |
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| 20:13.36 | gberardi | Have some mirrors gone down? I just tried to apt-get update and I am getting 403 errors |
| 20:13.37 | xam | steve: look at /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/arp_filter, might help in your case |
| 20:13.52 | warhead | caphuso: Tnx. for help |
| 20:14.38 | xam | steve: anyway, you should not use two NICs within the same subnet, you should build a bridge instead |
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| 20:14.56 | resiak | warhead: Why are you rolling your own? |
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| 20:16.35 | warhead | resiak: I try today solution for wirite data on ntfs fs, but .... |
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| 20:16.53 | warhead | resiak: I try with captiva-ntfs ...but not work ... |
| 20:16.54 | resiak | warhead: *shrug* |
| 20:17.07 | Temp[Away] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:18.08 | ribnitz | asuffield: What I read in wikipedia, SG is virtually corruption free.. |
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| 20:18.09 | directhex | why the _HELL_ are you running _WINE_ as root? |
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| 20:18.26 | faw | hahahaha |
| 20:18.30 | gberardi | directhex: So that the viruses work properly. B-) |
| 20:18.35 | Temp[Away] | just logged in as root for the time being |
| 20:18.35 | JaKaiser | Hi everybody! |
| 20:18.37 | Temp[Away] | that's why |
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| 20:18.41 | faw | gberardi, good point |
| 20:18.43 | JaKaiser | Is anybody out there? |
| 20:18.44 | resiak | Temp[Away]: That's not a good reason. |
| 20:18.46 | directhex | Temp[Away], i'm not going to help you do stupid things. |
| 20:18.58 | bug_code | somebody can help me with modules, please?? |
| 20:19.01 | Temp[Away] | im new to Linux, i have no idea what im doing |
| 20:19.01 | warhead | resiak: captiva-ntfs, work with kernel modul lufs. I download lufs-source,and I try install module...hehe..error is "lufs: Unknown symbol kill_proc_info" |
| 20:19.09 | resiak | Temp[Away]: Did you install winesetuptk and run it as your normal user? |
| 20:19.11 | bug_code | I need do a change |
| 20:19.17 | directhex | Temp[Away], not running applications as root is what you're doing |
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| 20:19.22 | streuner | bug_code: what's the problem? |
| 20:19.31 | directhex | Temp[Away], i can explain the error message, but i'm not helping you if you persist in running as root |
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| 20:19.44 | Temp[Away] | directhex: I'm not persisting. |
| 20:19.53 | ridehard | 64% .. |
| 20:20.02 | Temp[Away] | I never offered any resistence to switching users |
| 20:20.19 | bug_code | ok |
| 20:20.21 | Temp[Away] | Don't jump to conclusions |
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| 20:20.43 | bug_code | and I cant do change the RTL 8319 by 8139too in ethernet driver |
| 20:21.00 | resiak | warhead: Heh. |
| 20:21.03 | bug_code | this this my card don't works |
| 20:21.07 | JaKaiser | coff coff |
| 20:21.14 | ridehard | Temp: you can log back to root anytime from a terminal with "su" whenever you need to do root stuf |
| 20:21.14 | directhex | Temp[Away], so who are you logged in as? infact, which user did you startx as? |
| 20:21.15 | streuner | bug_code: uname -a |
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| 20:21.29 | JaKaiser | Do anybody tried to install both windowz and Sarge? |
| 20:21.30 | ridehard | Temp:and run the rest as normal user like your irc ;) |
| 20:21.36 | bug_code | what the function of this command? |
| 20:21.37 | directhex | JaKaiser, what's complex about that? |
| 20:21.45 | Temp[Away] | it started x for me, and im in the process of doing it as me now |
| 20:21.56 | streuner | bug_code: it tell what kernel you have running actually |
| 20:22.07 | warhead | I have assus wireless card "Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01)", I need dirver, any help? |
| 20:22.09 | ridehard | JaKaiser: no got rid of XP mouhaaaaahahahahaaa |
| 20:22.46 | bug_code | and? |
| 20:22.46 | directhex | Temp[Away], okay. the error is there because wine needs to establish a virtual set of drives to run from, and any .exe you run needs to exist in the virtual drives. your wine config doesn't have the /root/Desktop folder in it |
| 20:22.46 | streuner | bug_code: and what? |
| 20:23.02 | streuner | bug_code: just tell us the output |
| 20:23.02 | bug_code | because I think in one modules have many drivers |
| 20:23.03 | directhex | Temp[Away], so you need to put the .exe somewhere detailed in .wine/config such as .wine/fake_windows/ |
| 20:23.03 | bug_code | maybe my should be there |
| 20:23.17 | bug_code | I'm not Linux |
| 20:23.24 | bug_code | I don't have internet acess |
| 20:23.31 | streuner | bug_code: ic |
| 20:23.36 | streuner | bug_code: dual-boot? |
| 20:23.40 | bug_code | I install the Debian 3.0 netins CD |
| 20:23.55 | bug_code | I never use this |
| 20:23.55 | directhex | bug_code, i doubt 3.0 _HAS_ 8139too |
| 20:23.56 | resiak | bug_code: You probably want Sarge. |
| 20:24.03 | resiak | !d-i |
| 20:24.03 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:24.04 | bug_code | yes |
| 20:24.05 | directhex | !woody hardware support |
| 20:24.05 | dpkg | hmm... woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 20:24.09 | bug_code | i think too. |
| 20:24.13 | streuner | !listvals 8139 |
| 20:24.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8139' by value (8): dfe-530tx ;; 2.4.5 ;; rtl8139 ;; start a nic war ;; rtl81x9.c ;; 8139 ;; scyld ;; realtek. |
| 20:24.22 | bug_code | and how can I change? |
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| 20:24.24 | streuner | rtl8139 |
| 20:24.28 | directhex | !start a food fight |
| 20:24.28 | dpkg | kebab is bloated |
| 20:24.29 | streuner | !rtl8139 |
| 20:24.29 | dpkg | rtl8139 is, like, a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
| 20:24.29 | Temp[Away] | brb, i cant get my regular user to log in now |
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| 20:24.54 | directhex | Temp[Away], you probably broke things when playing with root |
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| 20:24.55 | bug_code | ??? |
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| 20:25.07 | streuner | bug_code: try the 2.4.18 kernel, if you cannot load 'modprobe rtl8139' |
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| 20:25.15 | Temp[Away] | maybe but i dont see how, i havent done anything |
| 20:25.25 | streuner | bug_code: server or desktop? |
| 20:25.28 | bug_code | but the current is rtl 8139 |
| 20:25.35 | bug_code | but i wanna 8139too |
| 20:25.54 | bug_code | desktop |
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| 20:26.08 | streuner | bug_code: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 20:26.42 | bug_code | to what this? |
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| 20:27.06 | streuner | bug_code: just type that into your irc-client |
| 20:27.07 | Temp[Away] | well something isnt right |
| 20:28.00 | bug_code | do |
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| 20:28.28 | bug_code | in thuth i have the cad SMC 1244 TX |
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| 20:28.48 | streuner | bug_code: is the NIC supported by linux? |
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| 20:29.22 | bug_code | i don't know...because I have in a diskette a driver for linux but don't compile do source |
| 20:29.43 | bug_code | and the configurations ins't to Debian |
| 20:30.00 | bug_code | i don't know the easiest to do this :-) |
| 20:31.17 | streuner | bug_code: what's your native language? |
| 20:31.29 | asuffield | "Currently, pornography, oral sex, and anal sex (except as a precursor to heterosexual intercourse), are illegal in Singapore." |
| 20:31.31 | asuffield | cute |
| 20:31.37 | asuffield | Phated: express an opinion on the subject |
| 20:31.45 | aardvark | !br |
| 20:31.45 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 20:31.51 | resiak | Oh, quit with the discussions of .sg |
| 20:31.56 | bug_code | but is loading rtl8139 |
| 20:32.04 | aardvark | !sgsmite resiak |
| 20:32.27 | resiak | Thank you for that. |
| 20:32.45 | Phated | asuffield: Not that I care, really. No one I'm interested in having sex with. |
| 20:32.51 | streuner | aardvark: thanks |
| 20:33.04 | asuffield | ah, Phated got dumped again |
| 20:33.11 | streuner | aardvark: well, i've found three sites about, but all in french |
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| 20:33.25 | furrywolf | asuffield: what about girl-doing-guy-with-strapon sex? that seems like it's both illegal and legal. :P |
| 20:33.28 | streuner | bug_code: well, i've found three sites about, but all in french |
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| 20:34.11 | resiak | asuffield: Quit with the Phated-baiting in general. |
| 20:34.19 | streuner | bug_code: so the conclusion is, 1) there is no problem at all, 2) the NIC is not supported or even hard to use |
| 20:34.53 | ribnitz | asuffield: how would they police parts 2 and 3 (oral, anal sex)? |
| 20:34.55 | streuner | bug_code: just get a cheap NIC, the cost not more then 10 bucks |
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| 20:35.12 | asuffield | ribnitz: I'm kinda curious about that myself |
| 20:35.27 | De_Mon | aardvark what did dpkg say? |
| 20:35.55 | directhex | asuffield, is there any way to interpret what you're discussing other than as offtopic trolling? |
| 20:36.02 | ribnitz | asuffield: Of course I could tell, which would get me ten lashes, which I wouldn't get if i dont tell.. |
| 20:36.26 | isam | everytime I install a new kernel, grub looses my settings, and rebuild menu.lst .. is there a way to have certain entries persistent, and not have new kernel installation flush my settings and entries |
| 20:36.44 | ribnitz | directhex: socialising? |
| 20:36.52 | resiak | isam: Read the bit where it says "DON'T EDIT BELOW HERE" |
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| 20:36.53 | cahoot | isam: yes - read menu.lst |
| 20:37.04 | directhex | isam, yes, easily. want the super-secret answer? |
| 20:37.30 | isam | I am glad that I made your day, someone to laugh at |
| 20:37.30 | De_Mon | isam it this a trick question? |
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| 20:37.33 | directhex | isam, put persistant info under the line marked ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 20:37.34 | crashbg | how to enable mmx for mplayer in the config file? |
| 20:37.48 | caphuso | crashbg: you don't |
| 20:37.50 | directhex | crashbg, use mplayer-386, it autodetects cpu capabilities |
| 20:37.51 | crashbg | not in the command line |
| 20:38.01 | aardvark | since when is mplayer in debian? |
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| 20:38.12 | resiak | !tell aardvark -about marillat |
| 20:38.20 | Lentz | algum brasileiro? |
| 20:38.21 | De_Mon | aardvark its not, but you ca.. yeah that |
| 20:38.32 | crashbg | it says it's disabled but supported |
| 20:38.36 | streuner | !br |
| 20:38.36 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 20:38.59 | aardvark | resiak: why the hell are you telling me about marillat? |
| 20:39.03 | crashbg | i can enable it from the command line, but i want to put it in the config file |
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| 20:39.06 | resiak | aardvark: Because mplayer's in marillat |
| 20:39.16 | aardvark | resiak: and i should care, why? |
| 20:39.20 | resiak | aardvark: 21:38 < aardvark> since when is mplayer in debian? |
| 20:39.26 | resiak | aardvark: THAT'S why. |
| 20:39.38 | aardvark | resiak: [22:37:35] <crashbg> how to enable mmx for mplayer in the config file? |
| 20:39.42 | aardvark | fool |
| 20:39.51 | resiak | aardvark: Sure, and you said "since when is it in Debian?" |
| 20:39.53 | tosh_ | da mein bios das booten vom usb stick nicht unterstützt(auf anderem rechner bootet er) wollte ich fragen ob es nen bootmanager gibt der dann auf platte installiert ist und von da aus den usb stick bootet??? |
| 20:39.58 | resiak | !de |
| 20:39.58 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 20:40.01 | resiak | aardvark: So I told you. |
| 20:40.21 | resiak | My first ever /ignore to my knowledge! |
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| 20:40.26 | ribnitz | tosh_: -> #debian.de, or use inglish |
| 20:40.28 | directhex | who said that? |
| 20:40.36 | De_Mon | resiak its not officially part of debian, so he doesn't want it discussed in the offical debian channel, just ignore him. |
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| 20:40.43 | Temp[Away] | directhex: can i edit the wine config file to include the folder the exe is in? |
| 20:40.51 | directhex | Temp[Away], yes. |
| 20:40.55 | Temp[Away] | (now that im logged in as a normal user) |
| 20:40.56 | Temp[Away] | how? |
| 20:40.59 | ridehard | resiak:finished installing the new image |
| 20:40.59 | directhex | Temp[Away], easier done with winesetuptk |
| 20:41.05 | Temp[Away] | okay |
| 20:41.06 | resiak | De_Mon: Sure, I know. I was trying to make him actually say that. |
| 20:41.13 | resiak | ridehard: Reboot with it. |
| 20:41.16 | Temp[Away] | ill get that, even though im running out of space on my hard disk fast |
| 20:41.26 | Waldo | can someone help me start a program on my debian at boot time ? |
| 20:41.30 | tosh_ | thx |
| 20:41.34 | streuner | tosh_: I have no idea if the d-i (sarge debian installer) supports this at all, maybe you need a special iso |
| 20:41.34 | ribnitz | What would I need to do to split a dvd movioe into two parts? |
| 20:41.37 | De_Mon | resiak gotcha |
| 20:41.38 | caphuso | Waldo: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:41.41 | ridehard | resiak: I need to reboot ? to rebuilt the kernel ? |
| 20:41.42 | Waldo | I want to start it as the computer boots . Ive used one of the rc script dirs in my debian installl (rc2) so that the program gets started as the pc enters runlevel 2 .. but now the program prevents the computer from showing the login screen until i ctrl-C my gambas proggy into submission :S |
| 20:41.44 | fooz | ribnitz, bend the disc |
| 20:41.48 | fooz | ribnitz, *snap* |
| 20:41.54 | pusling | hmm... I remember something about a md5-sum of XF86config-4 and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 - have edited xfconfig by hand. Anyone can refresh my memory ? |
| 20:41.57 | resiak | ridehard: To start using a new kernel, you have to reboot it and choose it from the menu. |
| 20:42.02 | resiak | !xmd5 |
| 20:42.02 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 20:42.04 | ribnitz | fooz: *playable* parts? |
| 20:42.04 | directhex | !x md5sum |
| 20:42.09 | streuner | tosh_: hold on |
| 20:42.14 | dondelelcaro | Waldo: then your program needs to daemonize properly, or you need to specify the right options to start-stop-daemon |
| 20:42.19 | pusling | resiak: thx |
| 20:42.20 | directhex | damn j00 resiak |
| 20:42.21 | fooz | ribnitz, rip it then cut the resulting video file |
| 20:42.28 | fooz | ribnitz, i don't know what software to use to do that though |
| 20:42.34 | Waldo | dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.34 | dondelelcaro | Waldo: hint: /etc/init.d/fooservice start; should return. |
| 20:42.36 | Waldo | thx dondelelcaro |
| 20:42.38 | ridehard | resiak: ok and how do I get rdi of the old one ? coz I suppose the new one is beetre (no ?) |
| 20:42.38 | fooz | ribnitz, maybe transcode? |
| 20:42.40 | ribnitz | fooz: how would I cut the resulting video dir? |
| 20:42.45 | ridehard | better* |
| 20:42.47 | resiak | ridehard: You don't need to get rid of the old one. |
| 20:42.54 | ribnitz | fooz: ok. will have a look.. |
| 20:42.54 | resiak | ridehard: It's not hurting anyone. |
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| 20:43.05 | ribnitz | brb |
| 20:43.10 | ridehard | resiak: well it's hurting my disk space |
| 20:43.11 | fooz | ribnitz, there are no dirs. you need to rip the video into an mpeg or divx or something |
| 20:43.28 | resiak | ridehard: How big's your disk? |
| 20:43.31 | directhex | eh? dvd has a VIDEO_TS directory |
| 20:43.46 | streuner | tosh_: http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/instsarge.html#diusb |
| 20:43.48 | fooz | that's l33t. transparent socks support in a kernel module |
| 20:43.49 | ridehard | resiak: 5G wiht 1.5G for the / |
| 20:43.52 | directhex | and transcode ought to be able to do a cut, with an appropriate syntax |
| 20:44.01 | De_Mon | ridehard you don't want to get rid of the old one till you know the new one works |
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| 20:44.20 | ridehard | De_Mon : yeah sure I was jsut askign for later |
| 20:44.27 | resiak | ridehard: As De_Mon says. |
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| 20:44.36 | resiak | ridehard: apt-get remove appropriate-pacakge-name |
| 20:44.51 | De_Mon | ridehard the kernel image should be less than 5mb. maybe you're talking about the source? |
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| 20:45.03 | ridehard | resiak: ok I thought it was harder than that |
| 20:45.23 | ridehard | De_Mon: it installed 45Mo |
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| 20:45.44 | resiak | ridehard: Oh, tell me you didn't install the kernel-source package... |
| 20:45.49 | De_Mon | ridehard that would be the source. |
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| 20:46.01 | bug_code | where stay the C library in Debian? |
| 20:46.05 | mrwill | how do I specify the location of header files? is it an environment variable? want to use header files that are not in /usr/include/ |
| 20:46.05 | resiak | !b-e bug_code |
| 20:46.06 | dpkg | bug_code: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 20:46.08 | gravity | bug_code: /lib |
| 20:46.09 | ridehard | ^^' just got the name I was told |
| 20:46.12 | bug_code | stdio.h , socks.h etc.. |
| 20:46.24 | bug_code | i can't find |
| 20:46.27 | directhex | erm |
| 20:46.31 | directhex | kernel-images are big |
| 20:46.35 | directhex | directhex@dib:~$ du -hs /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686-smp/ |
| 20:46.35 | directhex | 45M /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686-smp/ |
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| 20:46.47 | streuner | tosh_: still around? |
| 20:46.51 | ridehard | it got a 15Mb file which spread into a 45Mb one |
| 20:46.57 | valdyn | !tell bug_code about search |
| 20:46.58 | gravity | bug_code: What do you need it for? |
| 20:46.59 | directhex | ridehard, that's correct |
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| 20:47.13 | resiak | 20:47 < resiak> ridehard: Just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 or -686 (depending on if you have a PIII or later (-686) or not (-386)) and reboot with it |
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| 20:47.27 | ridehard | resiak:yep that's what I did |
| 20:47.29 | resiak | ridehard: Ace. |
| 20:47.31 | directhex | directhex@dib:~$ du -hs /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 20:47.31 | directhex | 234M /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 20:47.37 | Savard | is there a mailserver-specific distro ( similar to how smoothwall is a router-specific distro )? |
| 20:47.43 | bug_code | well, I have a driver source to my ethernet card, but have compilations problens |
| 20:47.48 | streuner | Savard: nope |
| 20:47.52 | bug_code | don't create do .o |
| 20:47.59 | ridehard | resiak: you mean arse ? |
| 20:48.15 | valdyn | bug_code: a driver has no business using the standard C headers |
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| 20:48.36 | De_Mon | ergh thats huge! My modules dir's are less than 7mb each |
| 20:48.44 | bug_code | yes...you right |
| 20:48.45 | ridehard | hrmm so what's up doc ? is it ok ? |
| 20:48.48 | streuner | Savard: its almost impossible to know all distros out there, but i don't know any which specially use a mailserver |
| 20:49.02 | bug_code | i think maybe that a path problem to library |
| 20:49.02 | resiak | ridehard: No, I mean "ace". |
| 20:49.09 | bug_code | but is a trying |
| 20:49.17 | resiak | ridehard: Reboot with your new kernel, and continue following those instructions. |
| 20:49.21 | resiak | ridehard: ace == cool |
| 20:49.26 | bug_code | i don't know what i do now :-) |
| 20:49.48 | PerfDave | Mmmm, Ace. Mmmm, Sophie Aldred. *dribble* |
| 20:49.57 | Active2 | ndlong1, nice version i have eh :) |
| 20:49.59 | ridehard | resiak: so what's the deal with the big size ? |
| 20:50.09 | resiak | ridehard: Kernels are just big. |
| 20:50.19 | streuner | bug_code: easy, download d-i, if that doesn't work, just get another NIC |
| 20:50.28 | bug_code | NIC? |
| 20:50.30 | ridehard | resiak: hmm ok |
| 20:50.35 | streuner | !nic |
| 20:50.35 | dpkg | hmm... nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
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| 20:50.42 | valdyn | ridehard: they include drivers for everything |
| 20:50.45 | ridehard | I am rebooting and hopefully you all going to be here again.. |
| 20:50.48 | De_Mon | !noc |
| 20:50.48 | dpkg | noc is probably network operation center |
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| 20:50.59 | [Granger] | anybody know where KDE stores its themes in Debian? |
| 20:51.00 | ridehard | shoudl I plug my wireless straight away ? |
| 20:51.09 | resiak | ridehard: Doesn't make much difference. |
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| 20:51.21 | gravity | [Granger]: dpkg -L yourthemepackagename to find out |
| 20:51.22 | streuner | [Granger]: apt-cache search kde themes? |
| 20:51.27 | Lentz | somebody knows to say if the modem to me: FAX 56 MODEM LG K CHIP NETODRAGON MOD Lm-i56n --- it functions in debian? please pvt! |
| 20:51.35 | [Granger] | streuner: umm I have them installed |
| 20:51.38 | [Granger] | I want to add another one |
| 20:51.40 | streuner | [Granger]: kde-look.org |
| 20:51.41 | ridehard | resiak:what I am mean is shoudl I expect it to work or to have to do otherthings ? |
| 20:51.43 | [Granger] | so I'm looking for the dir path |
| 20:51.48 | [Granger] | streuner: yes I got that |
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| 20:51.54 | resiak | ridehard: You need to continue down that tutoriall |
| 20:51.54 | [Granger] | I'm trying to figure out where it is on the local drive |
| 20:52.01 | [Granger] | so I know where to put the stuff I just compiled |
| 20:52.05 | Lentz | somebody knows to say if the modem to me: FAX 56 MODEM LG K CHIP NETODRAGON MOD Lm-i56n --- it functions in debian? please pvt!. |
| 20:52.10 | streuner | [Granger]: gravity just told you |
| 20:52.10 | bug_code | do you know a good site to find the driver? |
| 20:52.12 | resiak | [Granger]: You put it into /usr/local somewhere |
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| 20:52.26 | ridehard | rebooting now |
| 20:52.31 | ridehard | cheers |
| 20:52.37 | bug_code | because in knoppix my card works but I don't like it |
| 20:52.37 | resiak | !beer me |
| 20:52.40 | Shadur | Lentz: If it works in linux, it'll work in debian. Now stop yelling and stop repeating. |
| 20:52.48 | streuner | [Granger]: if you wanna install new themes read README from the theme itself |
| 20:53.06 | kwbr | What is the best practice to submit a bug with a patch attached? Is "diff -ruN bla-1.0 bla-1.0.orig" ok? |
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| 20:53.17 | streuner | bug_code: well, that's a good sign, so download d-i now |
| 20:53.30 | [Granger] | streuner: did that |
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| 20:53.37 | [Granger] | apparently it needs the path |
| 20:53.39 | bug_code | d-i? |
| 20:53.42 | [Granger] | hence I'm hunting for it |
| 20:53.47 | Lentz | Shadur ¬¬ |
| 20:53.50 | streuner | !tell bug_code about d-i |
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| 20:54.11 | bug_code | :-) |
| 20:54.16 | bug_code | you're strange |
| 20:54.17 | bug_code | :-) |
| 20:54.19 | pi | how do I enforce password complexity? |
| 20:54.26 | pi | and set what that complexity is? |
| 20:54.41 | furrywolf | pi: only allow intelligent users on your system. |
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| 20:55.01 | websdale | Lentz:try linmodem.org for info |
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| 20:55.11 | pi | that is not a luxury I have. |
| 20:55.17 | Lentz | websdale :) |
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| 20:55.47 | Daemon-- | lo, if i use testing sources, are they the same for sarge as they are for woody and other distro's of debian? |
| 20:56.01 | websdale | Lentz:sorry linmodems.org |
| 20:56.08 | Lentz | ok |
| 20:56.10 | zinx | pi: increasing the complexity won't help anything; they'll just write it down somewhere obvious |
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| 20:56.18 | JonnyBoy | i was wondering if anyone knows of any problems that could be caused by "stealthing" all of the ports that www.grc.com detected as open ?? |
| 20:56.21 | zinx | pi: and it won't keep them from telling it to people, either |
| 20:56.25 | resiak | Is there a convenient dpkg factoid explaining stable/testing/unstable? |
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| 20:56.47 | furrywolf | zinx: most importantly, it won't keep them from typing it into emails saying "please enter your password here". |
| 20:56.48 | pi | zinx, but how do I enforce the complexity? |
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| 20:57.11 | valdyn | JonnyBoy: this is way to vague to tell anything useful: maybe nothing, maybe to much |
| 20:57.17 | tosh_ | streuner: thx, but my bios don't have the option to boot from usb stick |
| 20:57.53 | furrywolf | pi: what he's trying to say is that it won't help. |
| 20:58.07 | streuner_ | tosh_: well, READ the URL i gave you? |
| 20:58.08 | furrywolf | people will use the same password they use for every other password they have... |
| 20:58.09 | zinx | pi: libpam-cracklib, but again, it will not accomplish what you want accomplished |
| 20:58.10 | ridehard | resiak:ok so we are in 3-compiling the kernel.. where do I configure it ? |
| 20:58.19 | resiak | ridehard: You skip the compiling bit. |
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| 20:58.27 | usynic | !merillat |
| 20:58.30 | resiak | !marillat |
| 20:58.31 | dpkg | i guess marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 20:58.33 | resiak | e != a |
| 20:58.34 | ridehard | resiak : ^^' |
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| 20:59.06 | ridehard | resiak: ok got the source then.. |
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| 20:59.18 | ridehard | resiak: what's next ? |
| 20:59.21 | resiak | ridehard: 4) Hotplug-Firmware |
| 20:59.32 | knt | i want to debug a php command line script, but i'm not so familiar with gdb. i'd be so appreciated if somebody can help me to figure out related gdb commands to find the functions called from PHP source by php script. |
| 20:59.34 | furrywolf | resiak: you sure? I bet if I put up a poster saying that God wanted e to be a and that America was founded on e being a, I could get a few million people to say e=a... |
| 20:59.46 | tosh_ | streuner: yes thanks but incause of my bad bios i'm searching for an boot manager which can boot an usb stick |
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| 20:59.58 | ridehard | resiak: got it |
| 21:00.12 | resiak | furrywolf: /j #conspiracy ;) |
| 21:00.15 | ridehard | resiak: done that at the beginning that was the only thing I understood ^' |
| 21:00.32 | ridehard | resiak:copied the FW |
| 21:00.40 | furrywolf | resiak: more like /join #sickofreligiousnutjobs. :) |
| 21:00.57 | ridehard | so I do ifconfig eth1 up |
| 21:01.03 | ridehard | after plugin my wireless ? |
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| 21:01.26 | resiak | ridehard: It may be eth1 or it may be wlan0 |
| 21:01.33 | chealer | knt: hum, I doubt gdb supports PHP |
| 21:01.50 | ridehard | resiak: that's the one my ethernet cable card uses |
| 21:01.56 | resiak | ridehard: eth1? |
| 21:02.02 | resiak | ridehard: My wlan card is wlan0 fwiw |
| 21:02.07 | ridehard | resiak:think so yeah |
| 21:02.23 | knt | chealer, me too but with a little gdb knowledge (like set args, run, bt :) i can see some PHP functions. but i wander if i can learn more... |
| 21:02.28 | resiak | ridehard: Not eth0? |
| 21:02.33 | resiak | ridehard: Run /sbin/ifconfig to see |
| 21:02.35 | knt | s/wander/wonder/g |
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| 21:03.08 | ridehard | resiak: yeah you're right sorry that's the eth0 as ifconfig shows |
| 21:03.09 | tosh_ | can lilo or grub boot an usb stick or is there any other boot manager which can boot devices like an usb stick?? |
| 21:03.11 | clojster | what does this mean in mc.ext file? "Open=run-mailcap application/pdf:%f &" |
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| 21:03.28 | streuner | tosh_: are you learn-resistent? |
| 21:03.41 | chealer | knt: this isn't the channel to ask anyway. since #gdb isn't crowded, I guess you'll be least offtopic on #php |
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| 21:03.43 | resiak | ridehard: No apologisey. |
| 21:03.46 | clojster | or, what does the run-mailcap application means? |
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| 21:04.06 | clojster | where can I change that application? |
| 21:04.09 | ridehard | resiak:ok sorry ;) |
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| 21:04.29 | resiak | ridehard: :) |
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| 21:04.50 | knt | chealer, tried both #php and #gdb :( if you've any experience with gdb, it'd be perfect if you can help me some more. |
| 21:05.04 | gabelux | does mepis have sshd? |
| 21:05.09 | resiak | !mepis |
| 21:05.09 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. |
| 21:05.11 | resiak | gabelux: ^^ |
| 21:05.15 | streuner | gabelux: we aren't care |
| 21:05.19 | resiak | gabelux: #mepis |
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| 21:05.27 | resiak | !mepis is also /join #mepis |
| 21:05.27 | chealer | knt: I have no experience with it |
| 21:05.28 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
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| 21:05.38 | ridehard | resiak: shoudl I jsut plug the card in then ? |
| 21:05.41 | cusco | hi... does anyone in here uses gmailfs?? |
| 21:05.43 | cusco | file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html |
| 21:05.45 | cusco | ops |
| 21:05.45 | resiak | ridehard: Yeah, sure, why not. |
| 21:05.47 | cusco | ops |
| 21:05.52 | cusco | cusco@cusco:~$ fusermount: old style mounting not supported |
| 21:05.56 | resiak | cusco: And you are an Ubuntu user, eh? |
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| 21:06.05 | tosh_ | streuner: this is a bios from a convertible tablet pc and the only thing which the bios can boot is the internal harddisk (only one nit adjustable) and the usb-cdrom drive |
| 21:06.10 | Rawplayer | cusco: #ubuntu |
| 21:06.11 | cusco | resiak: yes :/ |
| 21:06.27 | ridehard | resiak:By the way I have two pcmcia... can I jsut use the second one at the same time ? Or I am asking for trouble ? |
| 21:06.35 | resiak | ridehard: Sure, why not. |
| 21:06.38 | cusco | Rawplayer: I was hoping here I would have more chances of having an answer... |
| 21:06.45 | Rawplayer | !ubuntu |
| 21:06.45 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 21:06.52 | streuner | tosh_: here we go, why not just use usb-cdrom then? |
| 21:06.58 | resiak | cusco: Quite a lot of us are on #ubuntu too. |
| 21:07.01 | chealer | cusco: make you don't tell anyone you're asking on the wrong channel next time |
| 21:07.13 | chealer | s/make you/make sure you |
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| 21:07.37 | ridehard | resiak:ok card pluged in.. nothing happening |
| 21:07.55 | resiak | ridehard: Read the instructions :) |
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| 21:08.32 | ridehard | resiak:ifconfig ethX up ? |
| 21:08.43 | resiak | ridehard: For ethX, try eth1 or wlan0 |
| 21:09.03 | ridehard | resiak:ok |
| 21:09.30 | we_R_DNA | !myip |
| 21:09.30 | dpkg | it has been said that myip is /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub"addr:","";print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)/ {print qq|$1\n|}' |
| 21:10.04 | streuner | tosh_: woody installer by default didn't support usb-cdrom, iam not sure about d-i |
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| 21:10.29 | ridehard | resiak: error while getting interface flags :nu such device |
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| 21:10.41 | resiak | ridehard: Try the other one :) |
| 21:10.57 | brlancer | does/can 'fortune' look through directories recursively? |
| 21:11.11 | ridehard | resiak: you mean the name ? tried both ain't working |
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| 21:11.34 | brlancer | fortunes-ga installs to a subdir of the fortunes directory, and I don't think it's seen |
| 21:11.39 | Tuxedo | Is there a way to get ISOs for the latest testing binaries? The BitTorrent tracker is down, and the FTP sites don't seem to be tracking the testing distro. |
| 21:11.42 | resiak | ridehard: To be honest, I'm stretching my knowledge here. You may want to ask a question of the channel as a whole summarising what has happened so far. |
| 21:11.45 | resiak | !d-i Tuxedo |
| 21:11.46 | ridehard | resiak:could it be the fireware ? |
| 21:11.47 | pebkac | why is opengroupware.org not in official debian ? |
| 21:11.53 | ridehard | resiak:I am firmware |
| 21:12.01 | ridehard | I keep saying fireware |
| 21:12.09 | ridehard | I MEAN damn |
| 21:12.09 | resiak | ridehard: I know. :) |
| 21:12.11 | resiak | dpkg: test |
| 21:12.13 | resiak | :( |
| 21:12.16 | dpkg | Tuxedo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:12.19 | dpkg | No, resiak, you're not online any more. |
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| 21:12.35 | pebkac | resiak: hint? |
| 21:12.56 | resiak | pebkac: mint? |
| 21:13.17 | streuner | pebkac: any idea how many packages are in sarge? |
| 21:13.32 | pebkac | none of opengroupware ... |
| 21:13.38 | pebkac | think mor than 10k |
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| 21:13.53 | streuner | pebkac: more than 15.000 packages are in sarge |
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| 21:14.09 | Tuxedo | Thanks for the pointer, resiak. Unfortunately, that points me at the same torrent files for which the tracker appears to be dead. |
| 21:14.23 | pebkac | I have 17653 in my sources list |
| 21:14.37 | streuner | pebkac: search in some ML's, maybe you'll find a discussion about... |
| 21:14.41 | pebkac | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.44 | pebkac | y? |
| 21:14.49 | pebkac | issues? |
| 21:15.02 | streuner | pebkac: likely debian-devel would be a good start |
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| 21:15.13 | pebkac | ups |
| 21:15.24 | technos | Any HPPA addicts in here? |
| 21:15.26 | Delph | pebkac: well, they don't even provide release packages on their own site. |
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| 21:16.03 | resiak | Tuxedo: Oh. |
| 21:16.03 | pebkac | Delph: thats one of the things why I looked for official ones |
| 21:16.03 | steve | hi all |
| 21:16.07 | steve | how do I forward packets between 2 interfaces based on a rule? |
| 21:16.08 | pebkac | hi |
| 21:16.31 | crawford | I have been running a custom kernel in woody for a couple years. I'd like to switch back to a binary kernel, because I don't want to compile new kernels every time a security update is released. IS there a good description of the various binary kernels somewhere? |
| 21:16.58 | pebkac | kind of description? |
| 21:17.04 | resiak | crawford: /msg dpkg real kernel # Just install the image mentioned there. |
| 21:17.21 | pebkac | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.24 | pebkac | ups |
| 21:17.47 | crawford | resiak: great, thx |
| 21:17.54 | pebkac | apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 ?!? |
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| 21:18.14 | ridehard | test |
| 21:18.14 | ridehard | can you confirm you can see me guys ^^ |
| 21:18.16 | resiak | pebkac: YES!!! !?!?!? "! ! one slash/1/1/1 |
| 21:18.16 | ridehard | please say something |
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| 21:18.22 | ridehard | test |
| 21:18.26 | ridehard | test |
| 21:18.29 | pebkac | test |
| 21:18.32 | zamolxes | test |
| 21:18.32 | ridehard | ouch I ma back |
| 21:18.33 | resiak | !test ridehard |
| 21:18.34 | dpkg | Testing ridehard... Segmentation fault (core dumped)$#$ |
| 21:18.34 | pebkac | 1-2-3 |
| 21:18.35 | technos | Try !test, ridehard |
| 21:18.56 | Delph | ffs, try two clients in your own channel =:/ |
| 21:19.08 | minra | ridehard, so you ride hard? |
| 21:19.10 | ridehard | resiak:ok (If you said something I didn't see it) there is light on my wireless |
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| 21:19.34 | resiak | ridehard: Like I said, I'm pushing the boundaries of my knowledge here. |
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| 21:20.28 | pebkac | good neight & thx |
| 21:20.41 | ridehard | resiak: well your bondaries a farther than mien so it's fine |
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| 21:21.09 | ridehard | resiak: at first it's hard to understand t manuals when you have no clue |
| 21:21.10 | spyroux_ | hello... |
| 21:21.26 | resiak | ridehard: Sure, I know what you mean. |
| 21:22.03 | ridehard | resiak:so I have light and I guess I have to look at configure it as in 5 |
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| 21:22.13 | resiak | ridehard: I guess so |
| 21:22.22 | spyroux_ | why there isn't a libapache2-mod-auth-ldap into the sarge where there are a libapache-mod-auth-ldap ? |
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| 21:22.54 | resiak | ridehard: You may also want to eject it, plug it in, then run dmesg as root and see if any messages refer to it. |
| 21:23.30 | ridehard | so I have t pcmicia plugged in lol looks like my laptop has got wings |
| 21:23.36 | ridehard | two* |
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| 21:24.15 | kelan | spyroux_: probably because no one has written one for apache2 yet. apache2's api is quite different from apache1 |
| 21:24.21 | ridehard | resiak: hrm what's dmesg (I didn't get that part in the tuto) |
| 21:24.29 | spyroux_ | kelan: http://www.muquit.com/muquit/software/mod_auth_ldap/mod_auth_ldap_apache2.htm |
| 21:24.31 | pi | okay |
| 21:24.31 | resiak | ridehard: It's not in the tutorial. |
| 21:24.35 | pi | this is a strange one. |
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| 21:24.41 | resiak | ridehard: man dmesg |
| 21:24.42 | pi | lets see who can step up to this one. |
| 21:24.45 | kelan | spyroux_: why don't you package it up for us then? |
| 21:24.58 | resiak | ridehard: Run it at a terminal as root and see. |
| 21:25.14 | spyroux_ | kelan: hum, I have a very little experience with debian package, but I could _try_ :-D |
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| 21:25.43 | pi | okay. |
| 21:25.53 | pi | twp part question. |
| 21:26.25 | ridehard | resiak: ok it says the same thign as on the webpage: triggering etc.. |
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| 21:26.39 | fabietto | Hi at all. I'm trying to install an HP Photosmart 2610 with an ethernet connection on my debian sarge. I'm following the tutorial located at http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/install.php#network but i've got a problem... i installed the hpijs packet, but i haven't got the /usr/share/hplib directory, so i can't find the network name of my printer... any suggest? |
| 21:26.43 | pi | 1) are there any methods developed now that allow you to update a primary bind servers records remotely and automatically? |
| 21:26.53 | Golfgeo | Does anyone know of a howto about creating compressed filesystems? (R/W) |
| 21:27.07 | resiak | ridehard: does it mention what device it is? |
| 21:27.42 | pi | and 2) if there aren't, has anyone here implemented bind9 into a database? (which would allow remote manipulation of the zone files) |
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| 21:28.17 | ridehard | resiak: eth1: ADMtek Comet rev 17 at 0x4800, 00:09:5B:8E:31:77, IRQ 10. |
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| 21:28.22 | ridehard | must be that |
| 21:28.35 | resiak | ridehard: Guess so. |
| 21:28.38 | we_R_DNA | how do I grant access to the directory /var/log/icecast2/error.log For a regular user?? |
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| 21:28.52 | ridehard | resiak:so doing the ifconfig down now |
| 21:29.02 | we_R_DNA | !chmod directory |
| 21:29.10 | we_R_DNA | bad ass |
| 21:29.11 | we_R_DNA | :) |
| 21:29.25 | resiak | we_R_DNA: adduser youruser adm (assuming that the file's group is adm), logout, log in |
| 21:29.57 | we_R_DNA | resiak, Files group? |
| 21:30.01 | ridehard | resiak:ok the light is off.. going to the interface config |
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| 21:30.24 | resiak | we_R_DNA: Do you understand that a file has a user and a group? |
| 21:30.25 | tsw | pi: I had installation that had script that took an ssh connection to the remote server and uploaded new config and restarted bind.. (and some other things :) |
| 21:30.48 | we_R_DNA | resiak, yes |
| 21:30.54 | resiak | ridehard: Oh, to save your hands, try typing res<TAB> |
| 21:31.08 | we_R_DNA | resiak, how do I view the files group? |
| 21:31.18 | resiak | we_R_DNA: stat filename |
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| 21:31.56 | we_R_DNA | (0644/-rw-r--r--) |
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| 21:33.35 | OleMoudi | how can I replace a pattern in a string from the command line, lets say "head -n 1 foo.txt" gives me a string and I want to display it on stdout without a pattern |
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| 21:33.53 | ridehard | resiak:ok done some config stuff.. ifconfig eth1 up and the green light is on and the orange one blinks fro times to times |
| 21:34.08 | ridehard | uesI have to unplug the ohter one to try out.. |
| 21:34.08 | pepperpot | does using an encrypted disk make one vulnerable to more data los sin the case of a bad sector? |
| 21:34.25 | ridehard | resiak: res ? |
| 21:34.45 | kelan | OleMoudi: you can use sed. it was made for text stream editing (Stream EDitor) |
| 21:34.48 | resiak | ridehard: The point is that you can tab-complete nicks. |
| 21:34.59 | resiak | ridehard: Now do the configuration stuff they talk about. |
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| 21:36.06 | ridehard | resia: ah yeah I know I am a linux user.. but it's the first time I actually install something |
| 21:36.27 | kelan | anyone know how to configure bitchx to add a colon to the end of a tab-completed nick? |
| 21:36.37 | ridehard | resiak:well I installed redhat once and didn't have to play much with it.. didn't need the wireless at t time either |
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| 21:36.54 | budluva | can someone point me in the right direction of a debian dvd? |
| 21:37.12 | resiak | ridehard: Sure, fair enough. Just that I know you use xchat and it completes nicks with , so I figured you were typing out "resiak" in full each time. |
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| 21:37.48 | Sharcho | Does anybody know of an unofficial PostgreSQL 8.0 .DEB? |
| 21:37.49 | simonrvn | budluva: and i suppose typing 'www.debian.org' into a browser is too hard for you? |
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| 21:38.04 | kandalf | hi |
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| 21:38.16 | kandalf | I have some trouble with k3b or cdrecord dont know |
| 21:38.18 | kandalf | yet |
| 21:38.24 | kandalf | I cannot bur over 16x speed |
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| 21:38.46 | kandalf | althought my device supports 52x writting and cds so |
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| 21:38.55 | we_R_DNA | !chmod |
| 21:38.56 | dpkg | If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in "Chmod 101" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = 754 |
| 21:38.56 | kelan | budluva: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#dvd |
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| 21:39.59 | kelan | kandalf: are you burning onto a cd-r or cd-rw? |
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| 21:40.29 | kandalf | kelan, cdr |
| 21:40.40 | kandalf | also tried with dvds and I got the same progblem |
| 21:40.48 | kandalf | recording at 1x when dvds support 4x |
| 21:40.50 | we_R_DNA | how do I found out my group? |
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| 21:41.16 | websdale | kandalf:which kernel 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 21:41.26 | kelan | we_R_DNA: the 'groups' command will show you which groups you are a member of |
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| 21:41.48 | we_R_DNA | dna dialout cdrom floppy audio video |
| 21:41.52 | we_R_DNA | so should i tbe |
| 21:41.56 | pi | okay, |
| 21:41.56 | we_R_DNA | chown dna.dna |
| 21:41.58 | K__ | Freenode server stats.. first 2 biggest channels, #gentoo and #debian.. 1016 and 825 population respectively.. on the other hand.. #windows has 12 users. |
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| 21:42.14 | simonrvn | do 'id' and it's the first one after your user name, that's your default group, according to your user entry in the system you're on |
| 21:42.16 | ILF_ | what java jdk/jre do you recommend? anything betterthan blackdown.org ? |
| 21:42.19 | green_earz | kandalf: so you are getting slow burn speed ? |
| 21:42.25 | pi | so no one knows of a remote bind administration tools that are non webapp? |
| 21:42.31 | nse | what does a reusable app means? |
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| 21:42.46 | kandalf | green_earz, yes |
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| 21:43.41 | simonrvn | use ':', not '.'. older chowns will grok '.', newer ones will too, but it might get dropped |
| 21:43.47 | resiak | !tell ILF_ -about java |
| 21:43.50 | ridehard | resiak, : ah ok lol I didn't know that |
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| 21:44.04 | Underhill | .ace dude |
| 21:44.06 | kandalf | green_earz, some idea? |
| 21:44.27 | green_earz | kandalf: if so have a installing hdparm and check the drive if its burner if its dma emabled, if no enable it with hdparm and all emable 32 bit |
| 21:45.01 | green_earz | kandalf: just emable 32 bit and dma on the burner |
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| 21:45.07 | ridehard | resiak:no much luck, If I remove the card I plug the wireless it bcomes eth0 |
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| 21:45.12 | kandalf | ok |
| 21:45.12 | resiak | ridehard: Hmm. |
| 21:45.37 | ridehard | resiak, so I need to and also I don't have a static config.. this is what I have for my ethernet card: |
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| 21:45.59 | resiak | ridehard: Don't paste it here.... |
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| 21:46.03 | resiak | ridehard: You'll be instantly kicked. |
| 21:46.22 | ridehard | resiak, in private is ok ? |
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| 21:46.46 | resiak | ridehard: No. |
| 21:46.51 | resiak | ridehard: /j #flood |
| 21:47.35 | green_earz | kandalf: here a couple of links to help out > http://www.linuxnetmag.com/en/issue7/m7hdparm1.html > http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html |
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| 21:48.09 | resiak | ridehard: You'll need an iface entry for your wlan. |
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| 21:48.16 | z3r0c00l | hello |
| 21:48.47 | z3r0c00l | hey i need a bit of help i figured one of you can help me |
| 21:48.50 | Draal | Hello.. I'm downloading the DVD ISO for Debian and I was wondering how package installation works? I'm installing Debian on a 4 gig hard drive and don't want all the packages from the DVD, will I be able to choose which ones I want to install? |
| 21:48.58 | ridehard | resiak: yes what I did first was to put iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 21:49.14 | kandalf | green_earz, thanks I really need them :) |
| 21:49.19 | resiak | ridehard: You'll need to specify an essid and such |
| 21:49.21 | PerfDave | Draal: Yes. Why are you downloading the DVD ISO/ |
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| 21:49.30 | PerfDave | Draal: You can download very little, and install the rest from the Internet. |
| 21:49.31 | rgardner | how do I get my x idle time? |
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| 21:49.39 | ridehard | resiak: and jsut the wireless stuff without setting the address, netmask,network and bradcast.. |
| 21:49.39 | PerfDave | Draal: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 21:49.46 | resiak | ridehard: And no key, right? |
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| 21:49.57 | ridehard | resiak, and no key |
| 21:49.59 | Draal | PerfDave: The Net and regular Installs don't support my wireless card, so I can't log onto my network. |
| 21:50.18 | PerfDave | Draal: How do you think that DVD will help with this? |
| 21:50.41 | green_earz | kandalf: by dvd burner was running at 2 speed when it should have been 4 . enabled dma and 32 bit and 4 speed is 4 speed. all the best |
| 21:50.56 | z3r0c00l | i want to install aMSN but it needs some dependancies that i dont have, and none of my sources have, how can i get them? |
| 21:50.58 | Draal | PerfDave: I don't need internet access, the computer is just for word proc. and a few other things, and its just a few select packages I need. So I have my pick of offline apt-sources. |
| 21:51.05 | PerfDave | Draal: Fair enough. |
| 21:51.36 | PerfDave | z3r0c00l: "apt-get install amsn" doesn't work? |
| 21:51.42 | green_earz | kandalf: do you have the 2.4 or 2.6 kernel installed ? |
| 21:51.46 | Draal | PerfDave: Debian doesn't include Intel's wireless driver in apt, does it? |
| 21:51.54 | PerfDave | Draal: I have no idea. Is it Free? |
| 21:51.58 | z3r0c00l | the sources doesnt have amsn :( |
| 21:52.01 | kandalf | green_earz, 2.6.11 |
| 21:52.01 | resiak | Draal: ipw2x00? The source is in apt. |
| 21:52.03 | ridehard | z3r0c00l, I installed it yesterday using apt-get and so problem |
| 21:52.06 | PerfDave | z3r0c00l: Then your sources are knackered. |
| 21:52.11 | ridehard | so=no |
| 21:52.14 | Draal | Resiak: Yes. Thank you. |
| 21:52.19 | z3r0c00l | lol it is the stable version of debian |
| 21:52.30 | spyroux_ | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ... << what does this means ? |
| 21:52.33 | green_earz | kandalf: perfect |
| 21:52.34 | z3r0c00l | what sources do i need to get it? |
| 21:52.35 | Draal | Resiak: No binary packages though? |
| 21:52.42 | kandalf | green_earz, unable to set dma on |
| 21:52.44 | resiak | Draal: No, because the firmware is not Free. |
| 21:52.51 | PerfDave | z3r0c00l: http://www.backports.org/ may have it? |
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| 21:52.53 | kandalf | HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 21:52.56 | directhex | spyroux_, it means an elite team of ninja gnomes works out automagically what the depends are |
| 21:53.08 | z3r0c00l | add that line to my sources list? |
| 21:53.18 | PerfDave | z3r0c00l: No, visit the URL. |
| 21:53.22 | z3r0c00l | ok |
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| 21:53.24 | spyroux_ | directhex: and can I use it for every package ? |
| 21:53.46 | spyroux_ | :-D |
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| 21:53.58 | TU | if you reload the driver to a network card |
| 21:54.01 | TU | do you lose connection? |
| 21:54.20 | green_earz | kandalf: so it needs enableing with hdparm and edit hdparm config to suit. have a bit of time on the howto |
| 21:54.23 | immo | what do you think? |
| 21:54.30 | TU | i would think so. |
| 21:54.40 | TU | but it is going to suck if i have to walk down stairs and redo this computer |
| 21:54.42 | TU | i will be pissed hehe |
| 21:54.45 | kandalf | ok |
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| 21:55.10 | bert_ | can anyone tell me what the kernel version is for the latest distro of debian? |
| 21:55.19 | kelan | gnomes don't need to become ninjas. they can already move silently. besides, they're too nice to be assassins |
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| 21:56.27 | lordthundering | i've a bit older debian installer on a sparc64, with a scsi cdrom. it boots fine, but then looses the cdrom. i've loaded the scsi module over the installer shell, but to no avai |
| 21:56.41 | directhex | spyroux_, often |
| 21:56.49 | kelan | TU: if you run the entire unload/reload command at once, you'll lose the connection but it will come right back up for you to reconnect |
| 21:56.52 | spyroux_ | directhex: oki thanks |
| 21:57.07 | TU | kelan ifdown wlan0 ; rmmod ndiswrapper ; modprobe ndiswrapper ; ifup wlan0 |
| 21:57.08 | TU | i hope so :P |
| 21:57.32 | lordthundering | any clues where to go to? |
| 21:57.53 | schneiderj | I am trying to install a netgear wg311v2 with ndiswrapper and I have a problem |
| 21:58.26 | schneiderj | when I do modprob ndiswrapper I have the following error |
| 21:58.30 | schneiderj | modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 21:58.30 | schneiderj | output it |
| 21:58.30 | schneiderj | FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found |
| 21:58.30 | kelan | TU: i imagine it would work |
| 21:58.55 | K_ | i remember schneider from the book "Broken Angels" by Richard Morgan |
| 21:59.01 | green_earz | lordthundering: is the scsi bios seeing it ? |
| 21:59.16 | lordthundering | scsi bios on a sparc? |
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| 21:59.25 | schneiderj | I don't know that ook |
| 21:59.25 | green_earz | sorrrry |
| 21:59.54 | lordthundering | i mean, i booted from the cdrom.. it worked |
| 21:59.55 | schneiderj | that book ! |
| 22:00.02 | K_ | schneiderj, lol |
| 22:00.04 | bert_ | does the latest version of debian have the 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:00.06 | K_ | Its a good book. |
| 22:00.20 | kelan | bert_: it has it as on option |
| 22:00.29 | schneiderj | And was the role of the schneider |
| 22:00.31 | ridehard | resiak, a suggestion ? ^^ |
| 22:00.34 | bert_ | oh ok thanks |
| 22:00.44 | directhex | schneiderj, ndiswrapper is not included in debian, it needs to be installed separately, via module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper |
| 22:00.54 | TU | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 22:00.57 | TU | install ndis wrapper by source |
| 22:01.00 | TU | it will make life easier. |
| 22:01.03 | TU | the debian one is old. |
| 22:01.06 | TU | (as always) |
| 22:01.06 | resiak | ridehard: Not a clue. |
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| 22:01.10 | directhex | so file a bug |
| 22:01.13 | lordthundering | yeah.. install by source |
| 22:01.30 | directhex | saying "nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" doesn't help improve anything |
| 22:01.30 | schneiderj | Yes I do, and I have the driever installed and the hardware found |
| 22:01.48 | directhex | if the module's not found, the module's not THERE |
| 22:02.29 | lordthundering | what does a find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name ndiswrapper.ko give you? |
| 22:02.33 | trend | hey, i am logging all pings to my box to /var/log/messages.. i wnat ot change syslog to log it to /var/log/alive |
| 22:02.37 | trend | how can i change that |
| 22:02.38 | schneiderj | What I have to do to install it ? |
| 22:02.39 | ridehard | resiak, ok thanks a lot for the help I have now a nice card whcih shines in the dark ;) I'll try to find out how to configure the wireless stuf for the card now cheers |
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| 22:02.52 | resiak | ridehard: Heh. Sorry to not have been more helpful. |
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| 22:03.25 | ridehard | resiak, you permitted me to go a lot further than I woudl have on my own so that's coll.. I mean .. ACE |
| 22:03.35 | ridehard | cool* |
| 22:03.46 | resiak | ridehard: XD |
| 22:04.22 | Cat | Hello. For an unknown reason, I don't have any vmlinuz files in /boot, so I can't boot my system up anymore. What's the best way to install them back? |
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| 22:04.50 | kelan | Cat: find them and copy them there |
| 22:05.02 | Cat | I don't have them on my hdd anymore |
| 22:05.10 | Cat | I have to install a new kernel |
| 22:05.41 | schneiderj | lordthundering : Nothing was found |
| 22:06.15 | PerfDave | Cat: How did you boot this machine if it has no kernel? |
| 22:06.25 | kelan | Cat: you can install stock packaged kernels with apt. try 'apt-cache search kernel-image' to get a listing of available ones |
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| 22:07.20 | Cat | I can't boot it up. But I can put the hdd on another machine. |
| 22:07.33 | kelan | oh hmm |
| 22:07.57 | technos | Time to play games with chroot and lilo, sadly. |
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| 22:08.20 | kelan | yeah, that doesnt sound like a good situation |
| 22:08.32 | Cat | lol. Even very bad... |
| 22:08.45 | BadMan | Cat: power supply? Dead IDE channel on board? |
| 22:08.51 | kelan | backup anything you want from the drive and just reinstall fresh? |
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| 22:09.21 | steve | how do I forward packets between 2 interfaces please? |
| 22:09.21 | Cat | No, the hardware is ok. |
| 22:10.03 | Cat | It will take lots of time to reinstall everything... |
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| 22:11.17 | Cat | Can I just paste vmlinuz, system.map and /lib/modules from a general purpose kernel (Knoppix's one, for example) |
| 22:11.19 | Cat | ? |
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| 22:11.44 | FieldySnuts | must be sunday. |
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| 22:11.52 | PerfDave | Cat: You've got the hard drive mounted on another machine. chroot into it and apt-get install a kernel-image package. |
| 22:12.17 | Cat | ok |
| 22:12.26 | FieldySnuts | i left about 6 hours ago and this situation is still going on heh |
| 22:12.35 | Cat | Thanks a lot |
| 22:12.35 | xrgtn | steve: it depends |
| 22:12.49 | steve | xrgtn: on what? |
| 22:12.54 | Cat | But grub now works! |
| 22:13.09 | xrgtn | steve: iptables, for example |
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| 22:13.38 | steve | xrgtn: the trouble is, both interfaces have the same IP subnet but are accessing different network segments which is causing linux to become confused |
| 22:13.39 | xrgtn | steve: do you mean between interfaces of the same host? |
| 22:13.44 | steve | yes |
| 22:14.05 | steve | one interface accesses an internet gateway router, the other access my switch |
| 22:14.06 | FieldySnuts | if they are on the same subnet, they can't be accessing different network subnets. that's contradictory. |
| 22:14.08 | xrgtn | ok. I have similar config |
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| 22:14.12 | steve | but they both have the same subnet |
| 22:14.22 | steve | FieldySnuts: segments, not subnets |
| 22:14.31 | FieldySnuts | have fun |
| 22:14.31 | steve | both are 192.168.1/24 |
| 22:14.34 | xrgtn | same IP subnet? |
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| 22:14.37 | steve | yes |
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| 22:14.59 | steve | i've gone over google many times but there doesn't seem to be any help available |
| 22:15.02 | xrgtn | steve: this is kind of redundant |
| 22:15.16 | xrgtn | steve: and both have route to the 192.168.1/24 |
| 22:15.22 | steve | yes |
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| 22:15.37 | steve | I want packets from my switch to go through to the internet gateway router |
| 22:15.56 | steve | switch -> eth0 -> eth1 -> internet router |
| 22:16.04 | FieldySnuts | you need them on seperate subnets, and actually sepertally numbered. because what you'll have to do, using iptables and routing, you can't give it the same networks. |
| 22:16.29 | teun | actually, with proxy arp, you can :) |
| 22:16.38 | teun | but it's not such a smart thing to do |
| 22:16.39 | steve | what's that? |
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| 22:17.13 | xrgtn | steve: eth0 and eth1 physically are in the same segment? |
| 22:17.17 | FieldySnuts | hrm. sorry i don't feel like being networking 101 teacher today, short solution is one has to change or you're going to make things far more difficult |
| 22:17.19 | steve | well the trouble is, my internet router has given me internet traffic - therefore I must have the internet IPs on my switch, they can't be seperate |
| 22:17.38 | teun | FieldySnuts: ack... true :) |
| 22:17.46 | steve | xrgtn: eth0 connects to the internet router, eth1 goes to a switch |
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| 22:18.07 | steve | I can't change the subnets because they are internet-routable addresses |
| 22:18.18 | steve | I want them to be accessible on my switch, via the linux router |
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| 22:18.30 | xrgtn | steve: ;) you don't need IPs from same subnet then |
| 22:18.37 | steve | oh? |
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| 22:19.23 | virgomoon | Have any of you noticed a 'quality' difference between the Memorex or Verbatim CD-Rs you can get in the 100 count spindles and the various mail order CD-Rs? |
| 22:19.36 | steve | xrgtn: how'd you mean? |
| 22:19.44 | directhex | virgomoon, avoid memorex, i had no end of problems |
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| 22:20.05 | Temp[Away] | okay, i just did an apt-get install winesetuptk. It removed wine, and I cant even find winesetuptk to run it. what's up? |
| 22:20.54 | Phated | The nm guide, perhaps? |
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| 22:20.58 | virgomoon | directhex: alright. I just noticed that the 100 ct spindles at Sams, Office Depot, etc. are about the same price as the mail orders without having to pay shipping. I've only bought one set from mail order. Do you think I should stick with them? They're not ^that^ much more. |
| 22:21.21 | xrgtn | steve: I'll try to explain privately |
| 22:21.25 | steve | thanks |
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| 22:21.53 | DaCa | !tell pa |
| 22:21.55 | trend | can someone help me out with a syslog issue? |
| 22:21.56 | spyroux_ | Phated: where can I find it ? |
| 22:21.58 | DaCa | !tell Phated about mg |
| 22:21.58 | trend | i am logging all pings to my box to /var/log/messages.. i wnat ot change syslog to log it to /var/log/alive |
| 22:22.02 | Phated | !nm guide |
| 22:22.02 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 22:22.07 | Phated | There, spyroux_ ^ |
| 22:22.20 | Phated | Uhm... Not me, DaCa. |
| 22:22.31 | spyroux_ | thanks |
| 22:22.42 | Phated | spyroux_: Also /msg dpkg mg |
| 22:22.44 | Temp[Away] | okay, i just did an apt-get install winesetuptk. It removed wine, and I cant even find winesetuptk to run it. Anyone know what I need to do? |
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| 22:22.47 | DaCa | Phated: sorry :) |
| 22:22.52 | Phated | No worries. |
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| 22:23.01 | we_R_DNA | how do I find ices within the / ? |
| 22:23.10 | cafuego_ | ices? |
| 22:23.10 | kelan | !repeat |
| 22:23.10 | dpkg | somebody said repeat was if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions" |
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| 22:25.23 | immo | o_0 |
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| 22:27.02 | kandalf | green_earz, I have compiled dma support in kernel but I still cannot enable dma |
| 22:27.23 | tz273 | Hi! I want to masq a subnet over a ppp connection. I used the command iptables -t nat -o POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASUERADE, but it didn't work. Can you help me? the ppp is over eth1 and the subnet is connected to eth0 |
| 22:28.00 | cafuego_ | áhá! |
| 22:28.00 | spyroux_ | tz273: did you type something like echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
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| 22:29.14 | tz273 | spyroux_: No. I just set it in /etc/network/config. But i had a reboot after that. Now, it is in. Any other things to do? |
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| 22:30.28 | Pendrag0n | I am having trouble with a cron script |
| 22:30.34 | Pendrag0n | *crontab |
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| 22:30.44 | Pendrag0n | 0 * * * * /usr/local/webmin/core/CronJobs/tasks_cron.py |
| 22:30.53 | Pendrag0n | Doesn't that mean run every hour? |
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| 22:31.04 | tz273 | spyroux_: it works, thank you! |
| 22:31.04 | Pendrag0n | I don't think it is running at all. |
| 22:31.09 | tz273 | bye |
| 22:31.20 | geit | Have problemes with local mail delivery. What is exim trying to tell me? H=249.80-203-233.nextgentel.com (s2.fahlvik.org) [80.203.233.249] F=<root@fahlvik.org> rejected RCPT <arve@fahlvik.org>: relay not permitted |
| 22:31.27 | Temp[Away] | Can anyone help me with the winesetuptk program I just installed? |
| 22:31.37 | faw | somebody know if freenode limits the number of connections per IP? |
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| 22:31.45 | ride_ | resiak, works ! |
| 22:31.55 | ride_ | I am the kiiiiing of the woooooorld !!! |
| 22:32.10 | Pendrag0n | I can't answer any of those questions, I am a newbie, does anyone know how to make a cron run hourly? |
| 22:32.11 | Pendrag0n | 0 * * * * /usr/local/webmin/core/CronJobs/tasks_cron.py |
| 22:32.12 | green_earz | kandalf: all you need is a standard kernel. to enable dma hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx x being the dvd drive |
| 22:32.17 | Pendrag0n | that isn't running at all |
| 22:32.52 | resiak | ride_: \o/ Nice one. |
| 22:32.58 | ride_ | resiak, for info I had to set map eth1 in teh hotplug |
| 22:33.03 | d03boy | is mplayer unstable? |
| 22:33.09 | resiak | !tell d03boy -about mplayer |
| 22:33.19 | virgomoon | Can anyone recommend a good US CD-R supplier? |
| 22:33.30 | ride_ | resiak, so jsust had to add two lines |
| 22:33.32 | mdadm | anyone know where sshd puts its log file? cant find the location specified in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 22:33.49 | virgomoon | mdadm: /var/log/auth, I think |
| 22:33.50 | d03boy | k |
| 22:33.54 | ride_ | resiak, Thnaks again for your help |
| 22:33.54 | Pendrag0n | gimmie a sec mdadm |
| 22:33.56 | Pendrag0n | I think I know |
| 22:34.04 | PerfDave | mdadm: Maybe it's logging to syslog instead of to a file? |
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| 22:34.14 | ride_ | Have a nice day all |
| 22:34.21 | resiak | ride_: No problem. thanks for letting me know the final solution |
| 22:34.44 | ride_ | c ya |
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| 22:34.50 | ThE-FurIouS | bonsoir |
| 22:34.56 | ride_ | bonsoir |
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| 22:35.16 | ThE-FurIouS | j ai besoin d un peu d aide |
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| 22:36.10 | Pendrag0n | mdadm, try going to /var/log/ |
| 22:36.15 | Pendrag0n | grep -r sshd * |
| 22:36.21 | ThE-FurIouS | je cherche la commance pour installer kde sur une debian netinstall svp |
| 22:36.29 | PerfDave | !fr |
| 22:36.29 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 22:36.47 | ride_ | ThE-FurIouS, desole je suis un newbie |
| 22:36.54 | ThE-FurIouS | merci ride_ |
| 22:36.55 | trend | dude |
| 22:36.59 | trend | how do you restart syslog? |
| 22:37.12 | trend | i thought /etc/init.d/syslogd restart.. but that isn't rereading my syslog.conf file |
| 22:37.22 | ride_ | ThE-FurIouS, mais comme dit le bot faudrait mieux aller sur -fr |
| 22:37.29 | Pendrag0n | you don't restart syslog |
| 22:37.31 | ThE-FurIouS | j y suis |
| 22:37.32 | Pendrag0n | no reason to |
| 22:37.41 | trend | well.. i changed my /etc/syslogd.conf |
| 22:37.47 | Pendrag0n | o |
| 22:37.52 | Pendrag0n | do this |
| 22:37.59 | Pendrag0n | tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 22:38.09 | mdadm | PendragOn: i am in /var/log now...ooking |
| 22:38.19 | ride_ | ThE-FurIouS, bonne soiree et bonen chance :p |
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| 22:38.28 | mdadm | shoot i looked at /var/tmp/wtmp and my whole screen changed into a new weird character set... |
| 22:38.37 | Pendrag0n | then in another screen echo "test" > /var/log/syslog |
| 22:38.42 | Pendrag0n | see if it comes through |
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| 22:39.03 | mdadm | need to reboot that machine first-- cant change the character set back |
| 22:39.13 | trend | Pendrag0n i get: tail: /var/log/syslog: file truncated |
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| 22:40.13 | Pendrag0n | don't know |
| 22:40.25 | Pendrag0n | I'm a newbie |
| 22:40.52 | Pendrag0n | can you cat it? |
| 22:41.07 | trend | yea.. that is the msg i get |
| 22:41.16 | Pendrag0n | m... |
| 22:41.29 | PerfDave | OMG, they killed ChanServ! |
| 22:41.33 | spyroux_ | ChanServ :-D |
| 22:41.37 | kelan | mdadm, try 'reset' |
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| 22:41.49 | kelan | oh, he might not be able to read that |
| 22:41.49 | trend | hmm |
| 22:41.50 | Pendrag0n | well, type this, ps ax | grep syslog |
| 22:41.52 | kelan | oh well |
| 22:41.58 | Pendrag0n | it should tell you the path of the program running |
| 22:41.59 | mdadm | thanks kelan! |
| 22:42.02 | Pendrag0n | so yo uknow what to reset |
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| 22:42.47 | faw | !xorg |
| 22:42.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. Ask yebian for help, he offered. |
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| 22:43.39 | kelan | dpkg, when will sarge be released? |
| 22:43.40 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some entrails... ok, sarge should be out by Easter. |
| 22:44.12 | faw | !xfree |
| 22:44.12 | dpkg | well, xfree86 is proof that world has gone mad, or a free open-source implementation of X11. http://www.xfree86.org/ or ask me about "install xf4" or "x.org", or something that moves so slowly, it doesn't feel like it's moved in years |
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| 22:44.15 | mh_le | how come grip dosen't insert track numbers in ogg files all of a sudden? |
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| 22:46.06 | Pendrag0n | in a crontab, how do you say every hour |
| 22:46.15 | Pendrag0n | is it */1 * * * ? |
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| 22:46.54 | Pendrag0n | oops, I ment is it '* */1 * * *' ? |
| 22:47.02 | Pendrag0n | does that mean every hour? |
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| 22:47.53 | tabris|away | Pendrag0n: why not do '0 * * * *' ? |
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| 22:48.08 | tabris|away | that will do it on the zeroth minute of every period |
| 22:48.18 | ZEA | in sarge, with the new /etc/modprobe.d/ directory, are /etc/modules.conf and /etc/modutils needed? |
| 22:48.33 | paulswm | Why not read the friggin man |
| 22:48.42 | mdadm | regarding the sshd log file-- figured it out.. I need to setup a syslog-facility and define the facility in sshd_config |
| 22:48.42 | paulswm | bye all |
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| 22:49.13 | bug_code | hi everybody |
| 22:49.40 | bug_code | please, How can I get a good source.list to my system, because my is empty |
| 22:49.50 | Phated | Run apt-setup. |
| 22:49.53 | Phated | As root. |
| 22:50.20 | ZEA | bug_code: see the list of mirrors in debian's website |
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| 22:50.53 | bug_code | whith apt-setup I can generate a list of ftp, etc ?? |
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| 22:53.12 | Phated | You can choose from a list of mirrors, yes. |
| 22:53.16 | YodeL | i innstalled mysqltcl with apt-get install mysqltcl but were dose the .so file gets ? seems i cant find it |
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| 22:54.07 | WolfCub | Hey does anyone know how to get all the buttons to work on an MX1000 mouse? |
| 22:55.10 | kelan | YodeL: dpkg -L mysqltcl |
| 22:55.58 | TU | anyone know an FTP daemon i can control remotely? |
| 22:56.33 | jim | TU: what do you want to change about iy? |
| 22:56.39 | TU | add/del users |
| 22:56.52 | TU | and no, GLFTPD is not what i want. |
| 22:57.00 | TU | i would love to be able totally configure it with a client. |
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| 22:57.15 | suifur | TU: why not just use ssh and do it in cli... |
| 22:57.17 | sin360 | Has anyone here configured a Crystal Audio CS4237B chip with alsa? |
| 22:57.23 | TU | suifur lazy. |
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| 22:57.28 | jim | most ftp daemons in debian proper would use pam for auth |
| 22:57.39 | TU | ... i gg |
| 22:57.39 | suifur | TU: thats stupidass excuse |
| 22:57.40 | TU | ttyl.. |
| 22:57.44 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.49 | TU | suifur it's the truth.. |
| 22:57.53 | Phated | snd_cs42xx, I think. |
| 22:58.07 | suifur | TU: and its still a stupidass excuse, truth or not |
| 22:58.28 | sin360 | it's on the list |
| 22:58.29 | jim | TU: ahh :) then my guess is you're too lazy to do the research necessary to find a total solution... |
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| 22:58.42 | sin360 | but you you can't autoporbe it |
| 22:58.43 | jim | TU: guess what... sometimes helpers are lazy too |
| 22:58.56 | WolfCub | Google for the module it needs then load the module into the kernel. |
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| 22:59.30 | jim | but laziness on the part of helpers can actually help you by encouraging you to find solutions yourself |
| 22:59.53 | WolfCub | Jim: or it can make you give up ;) |
| 23:00.04 | Phated | Which is no loss to the helpers. |
| 23:00.14 | sin360 | it's suppose to work with 4236 I've been at it and no luck |
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| 23:00.35 | jim | this thing of "gimme the answer cause I'm lazy" is sometimes met with "so I'm supposed to look it up for you? -NO-. you do it." |
| 23:01.11 | jim | or get yer mom to look it up for ya :) |
| 23:01.11 | thingfish | it comes from parents giving their kids everything |
| 23:01.22 | suifur | jim: you shoulda given him a lazy reason for us not giving him anything... like "you're a fuckoff" |
| 23:01.24 | jim | thingfish, jinx! |
| 23:01.34 | thingfish | heh |
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| 23:01.55 | sin360 | WolfCub I can't get the parameters when I run pnpdump, it doesn't fine anything |
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| 23:02.21 | jim | suifur: he's come to that conclusion already... I'd just be redundant |
| 23:02.30 | WolfCub | Well I don't have any experience with anything other thann old i810 audio solutions so I can't really help you with that specific one. |
| 23:02.33 | suifur | jim: true |
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| 23:02.47 | sin360 | WolfCub ok thanks |
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| 23:02.53 | WolfCub | However, make sure the sound device isn't in use before you try to trouble shoot it. |
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| 23:03.03 | WolfCub | And run lsmod to make sure its loading. |
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| 23:03.06 | jim | if he's gonna run debian he might as well get used to the bold facts right now |
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| 23:03.21 | suifur | !do TU |
| 23:03.24 | Solet | does anyone in here have any experience in installing wifi cards with debian-woody? |
| 23:03.30 | suifur | jim: see, dpkg won't even touch him |
| 23:03.38 | mdadm | sshd is supposed to be writing to /var/log/auth... but that file is empty..any ideas? |
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| 23:03.41 | suifur | Solet: that sounds like a bitch and a half |
| 23:03.52 | ThE-FurIouS | re |
| 23:03.55 | Solet | suifur: thus why i am asking for help :P |
| 23:04.00 | suifur | Solet: all i can say is, save your nuts the trouble and use Sarge |
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| 23:04.17 | WolfCub | No kidding, I wouldn't even consider trying that under woody. |
| 23:04.23 | jim | 1.5 bitches are bad for nuts? |
| 23:04.24 | Solet | accually from what i've read, its about four and three quarters dozen bitches... |
| 23:04.26 | ecivo | Hey guys |
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| 23:04.40 | suifur | otherwise you'll get frustrated and castrate yourself with a splintered 2x4 |
| 23:04.58 | ecivo | one question: wine and the xscreensaver both complain that GLX is missing on display0,0 |
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| 23:05.08 | Solet | suifur... i'd love to install sarge... but... theres this thing with... i need the wifi card to access the internet |
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| 23:05.14 | ecivo | where can I find a tutorial to fix this? |
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| 23:05.21 | ThE-FurIouS | c est quoi le chan fr svp ? |
| 23:05.26 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:05.40 | suifur | Solet: ah, the same issue I had with my laptop since it had no ethernet jack |
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| 23:05.49 | suifur | Solet: so I settled for ubuntu lol |
| 23:05.50 | Solet | ThE-FurIouS: #debian-fr |
| 23:05.54 | mdadm | how do you check if the debian you are using is sarge? |
| 23:05.57 | jim | Solet: there's no way you could borrow a wire-ethernet card for long enough to do the install? |
| 23:05.57 | ThE-FurIouS | merci Solet |
| 23:06.12 | Solet | du rein |
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| 23:06.15 | ecivo | WolfCub, I assume not, haven't actively tested this... |
| 23:06.16 | fooz | i have pcmcia ethernet cards and no laptop to put them in. haha |
| 23:06.22 | suifur | Solet: should use a usb-to-ethernet adapter though |
| 23:06.29 | remy | slt all |
| 23:06.31 | jim | *: is there like a usb cable or something like that that can carry ethernet traffic? |
| 23:06.38 | suifur | jim: yup |
| 23:06.46 | Solet | i tried that a long time ago.. fuckit that never worked... |
| 23:06.47 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.52 | suifur | jim: 3com makes them, its just a usb-to-ethernet jack, like 15 dollars |
| 23:07.09 | Solet | everyone has usb ethernet cards... |
| 23:07.16 | Solet | i have a couple of them around here... |
| 23:07.22 | ecivo | WolfCub, uuups 3D drivers... could be that, an ATI RADEON *shame on me* |
| 23:07.50 | jim | suifur, *: what about the possibility of just using a usb cable, and "doing" IP networking over it (not necessarily eth)? |
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| 23:08.08 | Solet | to install this wifi card... where do i start? |
| 23:08.11 | WolfCub | If your using a Radeon less than 8500, you will need to download and install the DRI open source drivers, dri.sourceforge.net |
| 23:08.18 | jim | Solet: laptop? |
| 23:08.21 | suifur | jim: thats a btich with sarge, lol |
| 23:08.22 | Solet | no |
| 23:08.25 | Solet | pc |
| 23:08.36 | Solet | er |
| 23:08.39 | Solet | pci |
| 23:08.42 | directhex | WolfCub, there is perfectly fine DRI for r200 in sarge |
| 23:08.43 | jim | why wireless then? an eth card will fit |
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| 23:09.03 | WolfCub | Yeah there is but FGLRX is better than DRI and it supports the 8500 |
| 23:09.06 | spyroux_ | what's the correct things to do in debian/watch when the stable version of a package keep the seems same name ? |
| 23:09.08 | Solet | jim: i'm 300 foot from the router following the halls |
| 23:09.09 | ecivo | WolfCub, thanks gonna do this, are the packaged or plain sources, gonna see anyway... nevermind... |
| 23:09.17 | Solet | 125 ft if i drill.. but i'm not allowed to drill |
| 23:09.19 | ecivo | WolfCub, thank you sofar :) |
| 23:09.22 | jim | is the router yours? |
| 23:09.22 | WolfCub | There are packaged and tarbals. |
| 23:09.28 | Solet | no |
| 23:09.34 | Solet | its the families |
| 23:09.40 | jim | halls? dorm? |
| 23:09.44 | Pendrag0n | I am really having problems with a crontab if anyone here can help |
| 23:09.46 | Solet | home |
| 23:09.50 | directhex | WolfCub, at least DRI is marginally stable |
| 23:09.59 | jim | yours? |
| 23:10.03 | Solet | parents |
| 23:10.08 | jim | ok... |
| 23:10.08 | directhex | ecivo, what card? |
| 23:10.16 | ecivo | RADEON 7500 |
| 23:10.17 | Solet | i'm 19 i live at home, and hard line is out of the question |
| 23:10.21 | WolfCub | The packaged DRI are way out of date and use XF86 though, so don't expect good speed... You should remove XF86 and install X.Org and then get the latest DRI from CVS |
| 23:10.38 | directhex | WolfCub, #gentoo is that way --> |
| 23:10.44 | jim | why not ask to have the machine temporarily set up there, and just use wire long enough to set it up |
| 23:10.45 | WolfCub | Heh. |
| 23:10.55 | directhex | ecivo, 7500 your only option is DRI. which version of debian? |
| 23:11.05 | Solet | use wire long enough to set what up? |
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| 23:11.13 | markmrd | hi is there any way to find all jpg and gif files under the current directory apart from find . \( -name *.jpg -o -name *.gif \) maybe something like find . -name "*.{jpg,gif}" -> which does not work?? |
| 23:11.15 | jim | upgrade to sarge |
| 23:11.16 | WolfCub | I am running DRI on a 7500 in my laptop actually, running sarge. |
| 23:11.29 | Solet | will it be that much easier? |
| 23:11.31 | jim | and install build-essential and kernel source |
| 23:11.37 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.38 | jim | well, it might be |
| 23:11.43 | ecivo | dirc, sarge |
| 23:11.47 | WolfCub | So best off to get the CVS versio. |
| 23:11.59 | mdadm | anything out there better than syslogd for debian? |
| 23:12.00 | Solet | i'm not reinstalling... i'll upgrade to sarge... but i'm not doing debian install again... |
| 23:12.05 | furrywolf | I've never gotten dri to work, mostly thanks to the proprietary nvidia drivers being crap... |
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| 23:12.36 | jim | Solet: not expecting you to reinstall (after all, upgrading is what debian does better than any other dist) |
| 23:12.40 | WolfCub | Solet: I did a fresh install of Sarge today, RC3, took 7 minutes to install the base system and I got the rest off of apt-get. |
| 23:12.45 | directhex | furrywolf, that's a minority viewpoint |
| 23:12.46 | WolfCub | Its worth it. |
| 23:13.02 | bucky | furrywolf, i've never failed to get dri to work with nvidia drivers |
| 23:13.04 | furrywolf | I have both an nvidia card and an ati card... nvidia's drivers break dri on everything but nvidia's cards. |
| 23:13.08 | jim | WolfCub: it's also worth upgradign |
| 23:13.18 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:13.20 | WolfCub | Yeah but its a lot easier to install fresh. |
| 23:13.24 | jim | aaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! netttt splitttt! |
| 23:13.25 | directhex | furrywolf, installing with a .run from nvidia.com? |
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| 23:16.54 | jim | what's that mode |
| 23:16.54 | jim | -J |
| 23:16.55 | directhex | no channel limit |
| 23:17.01 | directhex | so when there's a mass rejoin, no problems |
| 23:17.01 | ptlis | Now that's what I call a netsplit. |
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| 23:17.29 | kelan | mmmm, splitty goodness |
| 23:17.29 | jim | that was 500 people splitting off |
| 23:17.29 | furrywolf | Wheee! :) |
| 23:17.29 | jim | aaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! netttt splitttt! |
| 23:17.29 | spowers | hah! |
| 23:17.29 | Draal | That was fun |
| 23:17.29 | Pendrag0n | that makes it run every minute |
| 23:17.31 | directhex | furrywolf, did you answer my question? |
| 23:17.31 | yak | lol |
| 23:17.31 | faw | tsunami!!!! |
| 23:17.31 | spowers | i joined #debian just now just to watch that happen |
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| 23:17.31 | Pendrag0n | WTF |
| 23:17.31 | furrywolf | direct: question? |
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| 23:17.31 | directhex | furrywolf, how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 23:17.31 | Pendrag0n | who was helping me with the cron? |
| 23:17.31 | Eclipser | thank god for irssi and shortening netsplit messages :p |
| 23:17.31 | jim | spowers: heh... was it good for you? :) |
| 23:17.31 | faw | everybody still alive? :-) |
| 23:17.31 | Pendrag0n | lol |
| 23:17.31 | jim | you are |
| 23:17.31 | yak | yes |
| 23:17.31 | spowers | wish i were here 15 seconds earlier |
| 23:17.31 | Solet | does anyone have a link to a site that helps with installing wifi cards on woody? |
| 23:17.31 | yak | I was left unharmed |
| 23:17.33 | spowers | anyway |
| 23:17.33 | Pendrag0n | tsunami |
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| 23:17.33 | Pendrag0n | a Stromtrooper |
| 23:17.33 | *** mode/#debian [+J 25,10] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:17.33 | furrywolf | from nvidia's site... had to get the very latest ones to get it to work right last time I upgraded the kernel. |
| 23:17.33 | Pendrag0n | can I PM you |
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| 23:17.33 | |bondgirl | hi all |
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| 23:17.33 | astronut | I seem to have an issue with fluxbox + pango...fonts with underlines in gaim won't display...this issue is specific to fluxbox and my normal user (so it's something in ~). Fonts display fine with another user, or with gnome. They will aslo work fine when running a nested X server. |
| 23:17.34 | PerfDave | !nvidia installer |
| 23:17.34 | Pendrag0n | hi bondgirl |
| 23:17.34 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia installer is a script available from nvidia.com which installs nvidia drivers for you. However, it overwrites files that apt owns, which can get overwritten themselves when X is upgraded, leading to random breakage. Ask me about "nvidia-howto" or just "nvidia" |
| 23:17.35 | |bondgirl | Pendrag0n: :) thx |
| 23:17.35 | furrywolf | I use self-compiled X. |
| 23:17.35 | Draal | Curious.. Where does Debian come up with their codenames? |
| 23:17.35 | jim | |bondgirl: hi... this is James... I need your photograph so I can put you undercovers |
| 23:17.35 | fooz | toy story |
| 23:17.35 | dondelelcaro | !release names |
| 23:17.35 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19). The next release will be Sarge. You can call Sarge+1 "Etch". See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 23:17.35 | Pendrag0n | damnit, the person who was going to help me with cron tabs, left |
| 23:17.35 | directhex | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 23:17.35 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. |
| 23:17.37 | |bondgirl | jim: lol :) |
| 23:17.37 | furrywolf | if debian upgrades X for me, a lot more than just nvidia is going to break. :P |
| 23:17.50 | Solet | omg thats silly :P |
| 23:18.13 | jim | furrywolf: put it on hold or somethign |
| 23:18.23 | Pendrag0n | damn, hey if you are good at crontab, please help me |
| 23:18.34 | furrywolf | jim: bah. just because I've reinstalled it with the patched wacom drivers umpteen times... :P |
| 23:18.44 | dondelelcaro | Pendrag0n: just ask your question... |
| 23:18.45 | Pendrag0n | the output from my script keeps truncating the syslog |
| 23:18.46 | astronut | nvidia sucks |
| 23:18.47 | astronut | the drivers |
| 23:18.51 | Pendrag0n | I have this in the crontab |
| 23:18.54 | astronut | crashes my x server |
| 23:18.54 | furrywolf | and that doesn't explain why dri on my ati card works fine if I don't load the nvidia driver.... |
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| 23:18.58 | astronut | though i haven't done the deb package lately |
| 23:18.59 | Pendrag0n | */1 * * * * /usr/local/webmin/core/CronJobs/tasks_cron.py > /var/log/syslog 2>&1 |
| 23:19.13 | bucky | astronut, you've got ati ? |
| 23:19.17 | dondelelcaro | Pendrag0n: uh... yes, that's exactly what that would do. |
| 23:19.17 | Pendrag0n | I am testing the script, when I run it from the command line, it prints to screen |
| 23:19.19 | furrywolf | the nvidia driver seems to intentionally break everything else |
| 23:19.22 | astronut | bucky: phh |
| 23:19.23 | astronut | no |
| 23:19.24 | dondelelcaro | Pendrag0n: what is the problem? |
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| 23:19.30 | Pendrag0n | but syslog has this ==> syslog: file truncated <== |
| 23:19.30 | bucky | astronut, that doesn't suck? |
| 23:19.39 | Pendrag0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.42 | astronut | bucky: hmm? |
| 23:19.43 | Pendrag0n | why is that? |
| 23:19.57 | astronut | i have geforce 4 mx440 and geforce mx4000, both 128 megs, one pci one ati |
| 23:20.00 | astronut | err |
| 23:20.04 | astronut | s/ati/agp |
| 23:20.05 | astronut | gah |
| 23:20.06 | dondelelcaro | Pendrag0n: you realize, right that > opens the file with O_TRUNC? |
| 23:20.07 | furrywolf | bondgirl: that sounds like spam. |
| 23:20.12 | Pendrag0n | Like, syslog is fine, and keeps on going |
| 23:20.14 | astronut | it crashed on just one too though |
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| 23:20.16 | astronut | it locks up |
| 23:20.17 | furrywolf | and this channel isn't for knoppix |
| 23:20.17 | jim | furrywolf: I'm jsut saying, if you put it on hold, maybe upgrading won't replace it (not sure tho) |
| 23:20.20 | Pendrag0n | no I don't understand this stuff this much |
| 23:20.33 | Pendrag0n | should it be a &> |
| 23:20.35 | bucky | astronut, you use the nv driver in xfree ? |
| 23:20.39 | dondelelcaro | Pendrag0n: well, you almost certainly don't want to have the thing logging directly to syslog like that. |
| 23:20.40 | Pendrag0n | instead of just a > |
| 23:20.47 | dondelelcaro | Pendrag0n: nothing besides syslog itself should ever write there. |
| 23:20.50 | |bondgirl | astronut: i have a nvida g-force 5200 fx :) & it's good :) |
| 23:20.51 | astronut | bucky: i do now, becuase nvidia crashes |
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| 23:20.52 | Pendrag0n | o |
| 23:20.56 | astronut | lol |
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| 23:21.05 | astronut | i use the nvidia installer cause the deb one was broken when i first tried it |
| 23:21.06 | dondelelcaro | Pendrag0n: you really should be calling syslog() in your python script (or whatever the python equivalent is) |
| 23:21.07 | Pendrag0n | well shit, where should I write to, and besides that how do I write to it? |
| 23:21.09 | |bondgirl | but knoppix, is'not installd yet :) |
| 23:21.10 | astronut | i'll try switching back at some point |
| 23:21.37 | Pendrag0n | I am doing something wrong, I don't know if it is > or &> and I don't understand what the 2>&1 means |
| 23:21.44 | |bondgirl | furrywolf: sorry :( |
| 23:22.01 | dondelelcaro | Pendrag0n: those all deal with file descriptors, in this case STDOUT and STDERR |
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| 23:22.09 | Pendrag0n | o |
| 23:22.09 | Pendrag0n | ok |
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| 23:22.14 | furrywolf | pend: man bash. 2>&1 sends output for file handle 2 (stderr) to file handle 1 (stdout). |
| 23:22.14 | Pendrag0n | 1 is out and 2 is error? |
| 23:22.26 | dondelelcaro | Pendrag0n: man bash; and read about REDIRECTION; |
| 23:22.27 | Pendrag0n | o ok |
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| 23:22.52 | Pendrag0n | I didn't know it would be bash, because I am using a python script |
| 23:22.56 | nicoOo | how do you kill processes that keep reappearing when you kill them? |
| 23:23.06 | furrywolf | nico: you kill whatever is creating them? |
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| 23:23.24 | DaCa | nicoOo: kill its parent |
| 23:23.37 | jim | Solet, not drill, not anything like that... just move the machine close to the router, upgrade to sarge (you do want to do that right?), move it back |
| 23:23.38 | nicoOo | the parent is PID 1 |
| 23:23.49 | jim | nicoOo: 1 is init |
| 23:23.55 | DaCa | nicoOo: so what process is this? |
| 23:24.03 | nicoOo | i don't think it's a good idea to kill init :p |
| 23:24.16 | nicoOo | DaCa, scim-panel-gtk |
| 23:24.27 | jim | "kill" is just "program that sends signals" |
| 23:24.29 | nicoOo | (don't know how it started) |
| 23:24.33 | spyroux_ | dpkg-deb: building package `libapache2-mod-auth-ldap' in `../libapache2-mod-auth-ldap_2.12-1_i386.deb'. << hihihi, this is my first debian package... lets now see if it works :-D |
| 23:24.46 | |bondgirl | furrywolf: i was only introducing myself |
| 23:24.48 | dondelelcaro | Pendrag0n: the python script is just the task.py part. That line is actually run in a shell. |
| 23:24.49 | furrywolf | is it being restarted, or just not dying? |
| 23:24.52 | furrywolf | dieing |
| 23:24.57 | directhex | * spyroux_ has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 23:25.18 | nicoOo | furrywolf, restarted under a new pid |
| 23:25.25 | furrywolf | hrmm |
| 23:25.31 | spyroux_ | directhex: ? |
| 23:25.44 | furrywolf | see which init.d script spawns it and see if it does anything funky? |
| 23:25.46 | directhex | never mind, i was joking |
| 23:25.55 | ecivo | Wolf, you said your're running the same setup as me (7500,sarge) and would recommend a cvs inst. right? |
| 23:26.00 | spyroux_ | directhex: oki :-D np :-D |
| 23:26.06 | DaCa | nicoOo: thats strange, one would say it is detached so it gets reparented to the init process |
| 23:26.09 | jim | if you send the signal SIGHUP to init (always process #1), this will cause init to re-read /etc/inittab and act accordingly to what's in there (so you can change that file and get init to reread it) |
| 23:26.41 | furrywolf | ecivo: if you're talking to wolfpup, I think he/she left... if you're talking to me, I think you have me confused with wolfpup. :) |
| 23:27.10 | nicoOo | furrywolf, actually i dont understand how it had started, looks like i have 2 instances of it... the 1st one is normal (starts automatically with gnome, was started by my "normal" user), the 2nd was runs as root and i dont know how it started |
| 23:27.24 | nicoOo | maybe when X (or gnome) crashed some time ago |
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| 23:27.36 | jim | and you can do that by using kill -HUP 1 |
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| 23:27.47 | furrywolf | nico: daca is probably right that it's not really being started by init... |
| 23:27.54 | jim | (just an example of a "useful kill") |
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| 23:28.23 | nicoOo | jim, there's nothing about scim in inittab |
| 23:28.35 | nicoOo | furrywolf, yup i think so |
| 23:28.38 | jim | nicoOo: what's scim? |
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| 23:28.58 | nicoOo | a input method to input in chinese/jp/korean |
| 23:29.02 | ecliptik | how do I delete a file that starts with -- ? |
| 23:29.18 | nicoOo | furrywolf, so how do i kill it? |
| 23:29.19 | furrywolf | ecl: give the full path, i.e. rm ./--fnord.txt |
| 23:29.24 | DaCa | ecliptik: rm -- --* |
| 23:29.35 | ecliptik | thanks guys I'll give those a try |
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| 23:29.44 | nicoOo | can't you kill a "detached" process? |
| 23:29.50 | flosch | night |
| 23:29.55 | ecivo | furrywolf, was askin *pup, so don't worry... |
| 23:30.08 | Smerdyakov | What's the easiest way to send a MIME-formatted e-mail message from the command line? I don't want to specify _anything_, including recipients, as command-line arguments. |
| 23:30.09 | jim | rm -i * and answer "no" to everything you dont' want to delete... |
| 23:30.15 | DaCa | nicoOo: yes you can, but whatever process launched it seems to respawn a new one |
| 23:30.16 | furrywolf | jim: lol |
| 23:30.26 | furrywolf | jim: won't work, I don't think. |
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| 23:30.36 | jim | hmm, that won't help with the --* case |
| 23:30.39 | jim | you're right |
| 23:30.42 | furrywolf | when the shell does expansion, rm will still think it's an option |
| 23:30.46 | astronut | I seem to have an issue with fluxbox + pango...fonts with underlines in gaim won't display...this issue is specific to fluxbox and my normal user (so it's something in ~). Fonts display fine with another user, or with gnome. They will also work fine when running a nested X server. |
| 23:30.47 | jim | yes |
| 23:30.51 | jim | exactly |
| 23:30.58 | furrywolf | rm -i ./* is probably what you want. :) |
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| 23:31.22 | furrywolf | but it's still a god ugly way of doing it. LOL |
| 23:31.30 | nicoOo | DaCa, yes that may be it: when i killed some part of gnome, i guess scim-panel-gtk detached and reattached itself to init, then it was restarted with gnome |
| 23:31.49 | nyte | hi there :) i was just wondering how to apply a specific patch to the 2.6.8 kernel to stop an error occuring when using the radeon gfx card :) |
| 23:32.10 | jim | nyte: got the patch? |
| 23:32.32 | nyte | jim: ive got a web link to the patch, it was given on a web site so it confused me a bit! can i shwo you the link? :) |
| 23:32.45 | nicoOo | DaCa, how can it do so? it has no parent anymore (besides init) |
| 23:33.09 | jim | nah, download the patch, and show me the first line that says diff at the beginnint |
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| 23:33.35 | jim | also, you should read man patch to learn about the -p option and what it does exactly |
| 23:33.51 | jim | when you do both of those things, we can continue |
| 23:34.00 | nyte | jim: im not sure if it is a regular patch because it is simply several lines of code, there is no diff line :( |
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| 23:34.26 | furrywolf | nyte: sure the easiest fix isn't just to grab 2.6.11.7? |
| 23:34.35 | nicoOo | that's frustrating :p |
| 23:34.38 | furrywolf | i.e. was this fix integrated into the source tree? |
| 23:34.43 | nicoOo | kill kill kill :PP |
| 23:34.51 | DaCa | nicoOo: I guess when the parent says it isnt interested in the child anymore, it gets reparented to the initproces |
| 23:35.00 | jim | nyte: also, are you using the debian kernel source? |
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| 23:35.05 | nyte | furrywolf: hmm! :) maybe, i just did apt-cache search kernel-source and the newest kernel for me on sarge seemed to be 2.6.8! |
| 23:35.06 | furrywolf | nico: while true ; do killall whatever ; done :) |
| 23:35.15 | nyte | jim: yes! the packages :) |
| 23:35.18 | nicoOo | DaCa, yeah but what keeps restarting it then? init? |
| 23:35.32 | GunZ | nyte: you are a bum :P |
| 23:35.37 | nyte | and proud ;) |
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| 23:35.46 | DaCa | nicoOo: no another process, and I dont know either how to find it |
| 23:35.50 | jim | ok, maybe you have to apply it by hand? |
| 23:35.53 | GunZ | nyte: likes men like m0wgli |
| 23:36.02 | pbxjunkie | somebody was asking about a cronjob.. found answer to your problem? |
| 23:36.17 | furrywolf | nico: kill random parts of gnome until the process stays dead |
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| 23:36.27 | nyte | gunz: rofl, lo kanchan |
| 23:36.50 | nyte | jim: thats what im unsure about, ill have a fiddle! |
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| 23:37.10 | nicoOo | furrywolf, hehe ;) |
| 23:37.11 | jim | how many lines is the patch? |
| 23:37.17 | Pendrag0n | o ok |
| 23:37.17 | GunZ | nyte: :P |
| 23:37.28 | jim | does it sometimes have + and - at beginning of lines? |
| 23:37.41 | nyte | jim: 39, and yes, does have some - and + and beginning of some lines! |
| 23:37.44 | directhex | furrywolf, i hear good things about a fist full of boomstick |
| 23:37.57 | nicoOo | DaCa, ?! if another process restarts scim, shouldn't that process (the one who restarted it) become its parent instead of init? |
| 23:37.59 | furrywolf | nyte: so search for each line marked with a -, and replace it by the following line with a + |
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| 23:38.07 | Ninjai | hello |
| 23:38.20 | jim | nyte: hmm, maybe you can apply this thing, but it doesn't specify the file |
| 23:38.21 | furrywolf | without the +, of course |
| 23:38.25 | themolester | what tools/settings would be good for using a usb flash drive on linux |
| 23:38.30 | nyte | jim, furrywolf: OH! :) thanks, i see how it works.. ill give it a go |
| 23:38.34 | Ninjai | how to install GD2 ? |
| 23:38.39 | directhex | i like gnome-volume-manager, but i'm a freak |
| 23:38.51 | nyte | jim: im presuming its for radeon_state.c as it mentions that at the top.. ill give it a go! |
| 23:39.13 | jim | Ninjai: either build it yourself or install debian package(s) of it |
| 23:39.30 | Ninjai | jim how to install debian package of it |
| 23:39.31 | themolester | (i meant as secondary storage, not root btw) flash drive is using vfat as fs and i gave it a try and it detected it as a usb mass storage using scsi emulation |
| 23:39.44 | themolester | no gui on the system for gnome-volume-manager |
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| 23:40.01 | jim | Ninjai: determine its packagename first, then apt-get install <packagename> |
| 23:40.34 | DaCa | nicoOo: yes, thats what happens initially, but the parent then can also tell the kernel that its no longer interested in the state of the process and then it gets reparented to init |
| 23:41.20 | spyroux_ | hoho...there is problem on my debian server... if I start something, that freezes the terminal... |
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| 23:41.45 | jim | spyroux_: why? |
| 23:41.46 | Guerin | !vaguenesssmite spyroux_ |
| 23:41.47 | MikeA | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.47 | MikeA | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.47 | MikeA | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.51 | GunZ | nyte: hey si |
| 23:41.57 | GunZ | nyte: did you read teh follow up post |
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| 23:42.02 | nyte | gunz: hi kanchan |
| 23:42.04 | Guerin | MikeA: check your pbashrc and profile |
| 23:42.06 | nyte | gunz: what follow up post? |
| 23:42.13 | furrywolf | mike: you probably have a typo in one of your bashrc/profile/login/etc files |
| 23:42.27 | GunZ | nyte: there were changes to the post |
| 23:42.33 | spyroux_ | jim: I think there is a problem somewhere with my ldap server |
| 23:42.43 | spyroux_ | but I don't know why... |
| 23:42.49 | jim | gotta find out |
| 23:43.09 | jim | first step, determine what is the problem |
| 23:43.15 | nicoOo | so when i kill it; some other process restart it (and becomes its parent), then that process tells the kernel that it doesn't want to be the parent anymore so the kernel changes scim's parent from the "restarter" to init without interrupting it (scim) ? |
| 23:43.25 | MikeA | How can I restore my /etc/profile to the default? what do I apt-get? |
| 23:43.45 | jim | are you sure it's not the default? why don't you have id installed? |
| 23:43.57 | a_monkey | what packages would consist of a full directfb installation? |
| 23:44.03 | DaCa | nicoOo: yes, at least thats basically what I think is happening |
| 23:44.13 | nicoOo | hmm... |
| 23:44.24 | nicoOo | weird stuff :p |
| 23:44.45 | nyte | jim, furrywolf: thanks much for your help :) gonna give it a shot! |
| 23:44.47 | mngrif | who does the music for the PSP commercial? |
| 23:44.58 | K_ | I have a PSP |
| 23:44.59 | K_ | =) |
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| 23:45.16 | _biovore_ | anyone have some precompile debs of Xfree v4.5? |
| 23:45.17 | mngrif | K_: so, who does the music for the commercial? i got that song stuck in my head in the worst way.. |
| 23:45.27 | K_ | mngrif, no idea |
| 23:45.28 | DaCa | nicoOo: now why do you want to kill that pour process? |
| 23:45.33 | Guerin | _biovore_: doubtful |
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| 23:45.45 | furrywolf | "Restart SCIM. This usually means logging in again, aka restarting Gnome, because SCIM doesn't die very gracefully." heh |
| 23:45.54 | nicoOo | so the only way would be to kill the restarter, but as i suspect it to be gnome, if i kill it then the other running version of scim with become orphaned, and be reattached to init. so i would get 2 scims attached to init, and gnome would start a 3rd one with him :-/ |
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| 23:46.00 | Guerin | !fgi mngrif who+does+the_music+for+the+psp+commercial |
| 23:46.01 | dpkg | mngrif: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=who+does+the_music+for+the+psp+commercial |
| 23:46.13 | mngrif | Guerin: tried it. |
| 23:46.18 | Guerin | mngrif: try harder |
| 23:46.19 | biovore | I guess I compile from scratch then.. l8ters.. |
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| 23:46.35 | Guerin | mngrif: or maybe ask in #whocaresaboutsony |
| 23:46.39 | mngrif | Guerin: have been for the past week or so.. thought it was modest mouse, but definately not |
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| 23:46.49 | mngrif | hey, i could give a rat's ass about sony, it's the song i want |
| 23:47.15 | tuxmaster | hi i got a quesiton |
| 23:47.25 | tuxmaster | what is the best way to uninstall a package |
| 23:47.30 | nicoOo | DaCa, well it's not really vital in this case (although it bugs me to have 2 scim icons in the taskbar :p), but as we already had the case once or twice at work, i wanted to understand the cause :p |
| 23:47.34 | Guerin | tuxmaster: apt-get remove packagename |
| 23:47.40 | furrywolf | tux: apt-get remove foo |
| 23:47.46 | Guerin | !tell tuxmaster about pkgmgmt |
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| 23:48.46 | spyroux_ | Starting OpenLDAP: slapd - failed: |
| 23:48.47 | spyroux_ | /usr/sbin/slapd: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libnsl.so.1: invalid ELF header |
| 23:48.55 | jim | mngrif: why does a sony song have anything to do with debian, that you could be so arrogant to assume you should interrupt folks with that? |
| 23:49.01 | spyroux_ | it seems I have do something wrong there :-D |
| 23:49.21 | spyroux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.22 | spyroux_ | /lib/libnsl-2.3.2.so: ASCII text |
| 23:49.29 | Guerin | spyroux_: stop fucking pasting |
| 23:49.31 | Guerin | jesus |
| 23:49.37 | FieldySnuts | @lart spyroux_ |
| 23:49.39 | Guerin | is it still sunday in USia? |
| 23:49.42 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 23:49.52 | FieldySnuts | for anywhere from 4 - 8 more hours |
| 23:49.58 | spyroux_ | sory :-/ |
| 23:50.03 | spyroux_ | r |
| 23:50.12 | DaCa | nicoOo: I have no idea what scim icons are, I usually work in console :) |
| 23:50.46 | nicoOo | tssssss :p |
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| 23:55.32 | Pendrag0n | in crontab does this mean every minute */1 * * * * and this mean every hour * */1 * * * ? |
| 23:55.41 | nicoOo | which charset is this channel using? |
| 23:55.50 | tuxmaster | is there a way to change the inittab with one of the debian configure software |
| 23:55.54 | furrywolf | nico: ASCII. |
| 23:55.58 | furrywolf | US ascii. :) |
| 23:55.58 | tuxmaster | or shall i do it manualy |
| 23:56.05 | Pendrag0n | tuxmater yes |
| 23:56.07 | Pendrag0n | there is, |
| 23:56.16 | tuxmaster | ok do you know what the command is |
| 23:56.22 | tuxmaster | or what package |
| 23:56.37 | nicoOo | is it a charset "ASCII"? :-? |
| 23:56.42 | Pendrag0n | I don't remember how though, but I made it so if you hit ctrl alt del, our company name came up, and it said you only need to do that to a windows machine |
| 23:57.09 | nicoOo | furrywolf, i mean ISO-something? UTF8? |
| 23:57.09 | tuxmaster | cool |
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| 23:57.30 | trend | hello |
| 23:57.39 | furrywolf | actually, IRC, at least historically, used the ibm ascii set, with scandanavian upper/lower case rules... |
| 23:58.01 | cloaked_ | I am looking for a way to find files ending in .jpg OR .png just using the find command |
| 23:58.04 | pipeline | Welcome to 2005, we have UTF-8 and we like it. |
| 23:58.14 | pipeline | Incidentally, that's why BitchX isn't in Sarge |
| 23:58.15 | astronut | cloaked_: find -name '*.jpg* / |
| 23:58.21 | nicoOo | pipeline, amen! |
| 23:58.23 | pipeline | It chokes like a mother on UTF-8 |
| 23:58.23 | trend | how hard would it be to get subtract the 3rd field in the last line of a file from the 3rd line in the next to last line? ... basicall this is a log file with timestamps.. and i want to make sure that the timestamps are within 1 minute of each other |
| 23:58.41 | Pendrag0n | in crontab does this mean every minute */1 * * * * and this mean every hour * */1 * * * ? |
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| 23:58.54 | furrywolf | pipeline: so it's bitchx's fault other clients send crap that's not in the rfc1459 stipulated usascii char set? :P |
| 23:59.06 | astronut | trend: #awk can help you...check the link in topic |
| 23:59.08 | jim | Pendrag0n: try it out! L:) |
| 23:59.11 | cloaked_ | astronut- how will that do both of them/ |
| 23:59.13 | cloaked_ | ? |
| 23:59.17 | pipeline | furrywolf: Is it bitchX's fault that people speak languages other than english? |
| 23:59.21 | trend | astronut thanks! |
| 23:59.25 | astronut | oh, sorry |
| 23:59.28 | Pendrag0n | I am, but I am like a monkey with a nuke, I don't know for sure what the hell I am doing |
| 23:59.31 | directhex | pipeline, yes, it is |
| 23:59.37 | trend | astronut that wasn't for me? |
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| 23:59.54 | Pendrag0n | and I don't have the pacients to see if it is running every hour or not |
| 23:59.57 | astronut | trend: oh sorry was cloaked |