| 00:00.02 | BigRob | jumping down my throat |
| 00:00.03 | ysothoth | BigRob: Shut it |
| 00:00.15 | caphuso | BigRob: useless repeating is a problem of you |
| 00:00.28 | Doirani | tarzeau: .wav play well with out any interruptions. I think 75 MHz is not fast enough for mp3 |
| 00:00.30 | BigRob | my cable fell out the back i need to replace it so i did not know if you got the first one before my cable fell out in the back |
| 00:00.39 | lunaphyte | maher: thanks |
| 00:00.40 | tarzeau | Doirani: it is, but you need some options |
| 00:00.47 | tarzeau | Doirani: lower qual/fastmix/prebuffer |
| 00:00.50 | dabreegster | Doirani: I don't think so either. My old 133Mhz P1 just barely did it. |
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| 00:01.33 | onre | 75MHz P1 certainly can do it, even 486DX4 can |
| 00:01.41 | onre | use nice. |
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| 00:02.00 | Doirani | tarzeau, dabreegster: So, I have to spend much more time with my Toshiba T4900CT. |
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| 00:02.22 | Henryk | yes, even my 486-66 played mp3 fine (with mpg123). Just make sure there are no other processes competing for the cpu, not even X |
| 00:02.45 | Doirani | X is not running, problems with /dev/psaux |
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| 00:03.05 | dabreegster | Doirani: your ps2 mouse isn't working? |
| 00:03.18 | Doirani | no |
| 00:03.22 | PumpkinPie | a 486 can play a mp3 fine but you cant play a mp3 and do anything else at the same time ? |
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| 00:03.55 | caphuso | PumpkinPie: yes |
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| 00:04.10 | Niriven | so gnome 2.8 is in packs now? |
| 00:04.10 | PumpkinPie | i know already but why |
| 00:04.19 | caphuso | PumpkinPie: because it's slow |
| 00:04.24 | Henryk | PumpkinPie: well, you can read text files with less at the same time ;-) |
| 00:04.26 | thyhorror | hmmm , anyone know what "mencoder -oac lavc -ovc lavc" NOW make the video codec unplayable with the codec=FMP4 insted of codec=divx in the latest debian upgrade ? |
| 00:04.30 | doublehp | PumpkinPie: I recommend at least a 486 at 80MHz |
| 00:04.31 | PumpkinPie | greaaattt answers caphuso |
| 00:04.44 | citral | on a 366 Mhz I can play full screen avi, so don't tell me a 486 can't play a mp3 |
| 00:04.45 | doublehp | PumpkinPie: maybe you can do ls and mv :) |
| 00:04.57 | ysothoth | thyhorror: mencoder is not a debian package, ask the package maintainer |
| 00:05.02 | PumpkinPie | doublehp: I mean on a p4 for example that is what happens anyway |
| 00:05.03 | Nwallins | PumpkinPie: wth are you looking for? a 486 can only do so much |
| 00:05.16 | doublehp | PumpkinPie: ??? |
| 00:05.27 | thyhorror | ysothoth: do you know it was mencoder that did it or not ? |
| 00:05.28 | Henryk | citral: hmm, well at least vcd playback on a 366 is only possible with hardware support from the videocard. I know, I tried |
| 00:05.33 | doublehp | PumpkinPie: my AMD1.4 can do many things at a time ... |
| 00:05.52 | Doirani | perhaps I have to kill some processes first. PCMCIA-WLAN-orinoco Gold at first ? |
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| 00:06.06 | doublehp | PumpkinPie: the problem of computers is NOT the CPU, but the amount of memory, and the FSB. THOSE are the limiting factors of speed |
| 00:06.08 | ysothoth | thyhorror: Those are all proprietary codecs and none of the debian developers/packagers will be able to help. |
| 00:06.10 | thyhorror | ysothoth: because my last debian upgrade did not upgrade mencoder. |
| 00:06.14 | doublehp | PumpkinPie: then come the speed of HDD |
| 00:06.19 | lunaphyte | opinions on cyber power upses? |
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| 00:06.31 | PumpkinPie | double: but running a mp3 eats your amd and its difficult to so much more while running your mp3 on a amd 1.4 ghz |
| 00:06.46 | doublehp | PumpkinPie: why do you think Sun and Apple have CPU at 3G and memory at 800M since before I enter school ? |
| 00:06.53 | PumpkinPie | I just notice running a mp3 eats the machine |
| 00:06.54 | ysothoth | lunaphyte: I have one, it is cheap but gets the job done. I use powstatd. |
| 00:07.07 | drac | Question: I'm trying to compile something, and it needs libssh.h and sftp.h, and i've done apt-file search on those.. without results. |
| 00:07.20 | doublehp | PumpkinPie: CPU coef larger than 4 is just useless |
| 00:07.23 | drac | Is there some equivalent files? |
| 00:07.33 | doublehp | PumpkinPie: but Intel released CPU with coefs up to 13 .... |
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| 00:07.40 | lunaphyte | ysothoth: have you had a few occasions to test it? |
| 00:07.55 | caphuso | doublehp: CPU whats? |
| 00:08.01 | Nwallins | multiplier |
| 00:08.09 | Nwallins | aka |
| 00:08.16 | Henryk | lunaphyte: ah, just get a laptop and you won't need no ups ;-) |
| 00:08.40 | caphuso | ah |
| 00:08.40 | doublehp | caphuso: frequency coefficient between core and memory |
| 00:08.48 | lunaphyte | no kidding. |
| 00:08.58 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: somebody's trying to sound smart by overcomplicating things, that's all |
| 00:09.24 | doublehp | caphuso: my dream is to buf a FPGA ... |
| 00:09.34 | ysothoth | lunaphyte: Oh yes, there was a major blackout 2 years ago, I think |
| 00:09.39 | Doirani | I have Kernel 2.4.27, 75 Mhz PI, 40 MB main memory and I think 50 MHz speed of FSB |
| 00:09.47 | doublehp | caphuso: but it sound like some ppl want to include them into computers .... that is REALLY a great idea |
| 00:09.49 | suifur | that sounds painful |
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| 00:09.58 | lunaphyte | ysothoth: NE blackout? |
| 00:10.04 | ysothoth | lunaphyte: Yep that one :) |
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| 00:10.24 | doublehp | caphuso: cause then, you dont execute a programm, you store it in the FPGA, and you get the rusullt 10 to 40 times faster |
| 00:10.28 | FieldySnuts | i was in that, the sound of UPS's screaming still haunt me at night |
| 00:10.33 | FieldySnuts | beep beep beep beep beep beep ARGH |
| 00:10.50 | lunaphyte | ysothoth: i was stuck in nyc for 6 hours. :( |
| 00:11.09 | caphuso | doublehp: you want to store let's say two hundred megabytes in a FPGA? |
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| 00:11.33 | ysothoth | Yeah. |
| 00:11.35 | doublehp | caphuso: you dont store data in FPGAs ... just logic ... |
| 00:11.47 | caphuso | hell, how large would the board be? like a mark II? |
| 00:12.00 | doublehp | caphuso: then they eat datas so fast they are waiting all time long |
| 00:12.24 | Henryk | caphuso: well, it would make sense for some limited purposes. For example mp3 decoding (hehe) |
| 00:12.35 | caphuso | Henryk: hehe |
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| 00:12.54 | caphuso | doublehp: well, for one thing, FPGAs aren't fast |
| 00:12.56 | BigRob | maybe I should rephrase my question is there a specific site or chat room or some other resource available that deals with laptops that have issues with debian |
| 00:13.03 | doublehp | caphuso: imagine a CPU which core is programmable ... I mean, no instruction set, but in which you can program yourself dynamically the instruction set .... |
| 00:13.12 | Nwallins | or you could just buy an mpeg-decoder card |
| 00:13.17 | asuffield | doublehp: right. now, imagine a CPU running at 20MHz |
| 00:13.24 | citral | BigRob: google. |
| 00:13.33 | doublehp | caphuso: they are slow for programming, and starting ... once launched, they burn every thing else |
| 00:13.33 | m00p | heh |
| 00:13.34 | asuffield | FPGAs are *slow*. that's why CPUs are ASICs, not FPGAs |
| 00:13.34 | Doirani | Doesn anybody know how to determine the bottleneck why my mp3 decoding is not continuous ? |
| 00:13.38 | fevel | i have to netcards eth0 which is conected to adsl pppoe and eth1 which is lan, i want to route the conection to a machine with ip 192.168.0.3 with a crossover cable, ive tried "route add default gw eth0" but it didnt work |
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| 00:13.42 | caphuso | doublehp: you're on crack |
| 00:13.50 | asuffield | doublehp: no. they are slow to run |
| 00:14.01 | Nwallins | caphuso: then imagine a beowulf cluster of those |
| 00:14.02 | Henryk | doublehp: hmm, transmeta tried that, some five years ago, didn't they? |
| 00:14.07 | fevel | can someone help me please |
| 00:14.08 | asuffield | Henryk: no |
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| 00:14.14 | BigRob | citral, i have not been able to find anything about this kernel sig faulting on this rc script that does something that beats the hell out of me. |
| 00:14.16 | asuffield | Henryk: that was a funny ASIC |
| 00:14.16 | doublehp | Henryk: more ppl are trying again for 2006 |
| 00:14.17 | tarzeau | !help fevel |
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| 00:14.30 | FieldySnuts | @ppl |
| 00:14.31 | ravenbird | [ppl] people |
| 00:14.36 | caphuso | doublehp: FPGAs is what you use when speed doesn't matter as much as development time. afterwards you go implement it in something useful |
| 00:14.40 | asuffield | Henryk: it executed a kind of bytecode, and did dynamic translation to that bytecode on the fly |
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| 00:14.55 | cunumen | What can I do so that I don't have to create the folders /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 at each time I boot? |
| 00:14.57 | Doirani | fevel: Try masquerading |
| 00:14.58 | asuffield | caphuso: well, not so much time, as cost |
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| 00:15.09 | asuffield | ASIC masks run for a hundred thousand dollars each, or thereabouts |
| 00:15.12 | tarzeau | cunumen: /media ? |
| 00:15.20 | somePriest | Hi. I'm using Thunderbird 1.0 from the Testing tree. About every other day or so my Thunderbird process starts taking up more than 70% of my memory. The hard drive reads like crazy, processor lag gets massive, and then X closes. Is this typical of Thunderbird? |
| 00:15.22 | tarzeau | cunumen: is that the linux file screw standard? |
| 00:15.31 | citral | BigRob: kernel segfault uh? if you are *sure* it is that, then it's time for you to check your ram (aka memtest86) |
| 00:15.32 | caphuso | doublehp: http://www.fpgajournal.com/articles_2005/20050301_ami.htm |
| 00:15.32 | cunumen | its debian's standard i guess :) |
| 00:15.33 | nvz | I have a pc Intel Sockt 5 75mhz w/ like 32mb ram. I can play music only with mpg321 or ogg123 or such directly atm, because the only music player I have is cplay, and with python running it skipps. |
| 00:15.41 | doublehp | caphuso: it depends ... a core CPU is quiet limitted: it does an instruction fast, but only one at a time ... FPGAs can run 10000 instructions in one cycle |
| 00:15.43 | FieldySnuts | no its not |
| 00:15.46 | tarzeau | cunumen: oh they use the shit too? like discarding /tftpboot ? |
| 00:15.50 | fevel | ive instralled ipmasq but have no idea what it did |
| 00:15.52 | fevel | and it doesnt seem to work |
| 00:15.55 | fevel | i found out about ipmasq a couple of minutes ago on another channel |
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| 00:15.55 | tarzeau | cunumen: that's so crappy, i hate debian for it |
| 00:15.56 | doublehp | caphuso: if they can be paralelized |
| 00:15.57 | BigRob | citral, memory came up clean |
| 00:16.02 | nvz | if someone could recommend me a real lightweight one I can choose songs with easier, I can d/l it here and put it on a thumbdrive |
| 00:16.10 | caphuso | doublehp: so we're still talking about a mark II sized computer? |
| 00:16.15 | tarzeau | nvz: try ocp |
| 00:16.26 | tarzeau | nvz: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ superb file selector |
| 00:16.30 | doublehp | caphuso: mark II ??? |
| 00:16.31 | BigRob | I let it run over night |
| 00:16.32 | tarzeau | nvz: not like the on drugs of mp3blaster |
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| 00:16.54 | Nwallins | i refuse to download any program with 'blaster' in the name |
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| 00:16.59 | asuffield | doublehp: no amount of parallelisation will get the gates to change state any faster |
| 00:17.13 | Nwallins | well, maybe 'assblaster.wmv' |
| 00:17.17 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 00:17.22 | asuffield | 200 x 20MHz is *not* the same thing as 1 x 4GHz |
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| 00:17.38 | cunumen | nvz... have you tried mpd? |
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| 00:17.46 | caphuso | doublehp: an old 1940ies computer |
| 00:17.47 | Doirani | If you have an optimal speedup it is |
| 00:17.58 | doublehp | asuffield: they are slow if you ask them to do one thing at a time; FPGAs are very good at parallel execution ... they can perform 10000 operations in one shot ... if the operand do not depend on results of other operations ... |
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| 00:18.24 | asuffield | doublehp: so can any ASIC. but the ASIC does it about two hundred times faster |
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| 00:18.42 | doublehp | asuffield: they can deal with a large neural network within 4 cycles, when a CPU will need more than 1 million cycles ... |
| 00:18.51 | FieldySnuts | somebody's full of it |
| 00:18.53 | BigRob | could the fact that the video card on this laptop use shared memory have an affect on wierd sig fault while debian is trying to boot |
| 00:18.55 | FieldySnuts | and it's not me this time |
| 00:18.56 | m00p | lol |
| 00:19.05 | asuffield | doublehp: stop using such a shitty CPU |
| 00:19.16 | asuffield | that's RISC or something |
| 00:19.23 | doublehp | asuffield: thats how x86 work ... |
| 00:19.24 | Henryk | hehe |
| 00:19.35 | asuffield | doublehp: no. that's how the *386* works |
| 00:19.35 | doublehp | asuffield: I hope for me ARM is better than x86 for NN |
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| 00:19.49 | onre | RISC is shitty, ok. gotta tell the guys at CSC to sell their IBM POWER4 cluster and buy some linux pc's instead |
| 00:19.50 | FieldySnuts | arm blows |
| 00:19.52 | asuffield | modern processors aren't like that at all |
| 00:19.57 | Henryk | yeah, current intel (don't know about amd) cpus are getting better at neural networks thanks to sse2 and friends |
| 00:19.59 | nvz | tarzeau: well I need something I can d/l off a debian mirror right now.. I am on windows, got a thumbdrive, and no net connectyion out there |
| 00:20.01 | asuffield | onre: uhh, wtf? POWER4 is not RISC |
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| 00:20.17 | asuffield | POWER has *never* been RISC. IBM aren't that stupid |
| 00:20.18 | doublehp | asuffield: if you got URL on how to use ARM eficiently for NN and so ... |
| 00:20.19 | Twisted_Emotions | Uhhh... question guys... installed bittorrent but the command to get it to run doesnt work "btdownloadcurses.py" |
| 00:20.20 | crweb | does anyone, or has anyone expienced extream lag on their debian systems? I have a dual P3-866mhz, with 2gigs of ram and a via chipset with a Nvidia geforce2 running testing debian. It seems like there is a huge amount of lag. Even while just typing. |
| 00:20.22 | tarzeau | nvz: it'll be in debian, once i find a sponsor for it |
| 00:20.25 | onre | asuffield, since when? it very much is a classical load-store RISC. |
| 00:20.26 | Twisted_Emotions | Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 00:20.38 | Golfgeo | anyone got a tip on getting php4-gd to work? I apt-get it and also the tool file, yet it doesn't work :-( I know I'm missing someting.. |
| 00:20.39 | Delph | Twisted_Emotions: you're not telling us how it doesn't work. |
| 00:20.41 | asuffield | onre: since always. it's never been remotely like that |
| 00:20.43 | FieldySnuts | Twisted_Emotions: can you give us more details? define "doesn't work"? |
| 00:20.51 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: doesn't work? |
| 00:20.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 00:21.04 | Twisted_Emotions | OHhh sorry... |
| 00:21.04 | Twisted_Emotions | -bash: btdownloadcurses.py: command not found |
| 00:21.09 | onre | asuffield, then how would you categorize it? |
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| 00:21.11 | m00p | Twisted_Emotions: install python |
| 00:21.12 | Nwallins | http://www.pcquest.com/content/server_side/103050501.asp power4 is RISC |
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| 00:21.19 | nvz | tarzeau: well I got the berkeley mirror up, I need to fetch a package with all deps I dont already have, and go :P |
| 00:21.21 | caphuso | Twisted_Emotions: no .py |
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| 00:21.24 | doublehp | Twisted_Emotions: we can help when you tall what you hit, and what you get |
| 00:21.27 | onre | i know. i've written POWER, POWER2 and POWER4 assembly. |
| 00:21.29 | tarzeau | nvz: it's got like no deps |
| 00:21.30 | Twisted_Emotions | python is already the newest version. |
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| 00:21.39 | doublehp | Twisted_Emotions: use TAB key to compleet commands |
| 00:21.44 | FieldySnuts | @medal onre |
| 00:21.49 | onre | :D |
| 00:21.51 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 00:21.52 | ravenbird | moin moin |
| 00:21.56 | asuffield | onre: it's a classical Tomasulo design. IBM *invented* this with the s/360 |
| 00:21.58 | FieldySnuts | guess someone removed it. |
| 00:22.05 | asuffield | onre: bullshit, the assembly has got *nothing* to do with it |
| 00:22.05 | nvz | tarzeau: so I can pop this file on a thumbdrive and possible play without having to type out song names wile I am trying to get drubnk? |
| 00:22.11 | nvz | link me :P |
| 00:22.21 | dabreegster | Twisted_Emotions: and if it's not already in your rc scripts, do 'source /etc/bash_completions'. It'll make life easier. |
| 00:22.23 | asuffield | onre: 'modern' processors, which is anything since 1980, do not execute code in any way that looks remotely like the assembly code |
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| 00:22.28 | tarzeau | nvz: yes if you create a playlist file i think |
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| 00:22.37 | onre | asuffield, wtf? instruction set has nothing do with whether it's reduced or complex instruction set computing? :) |
| 00:22.56 | nvz | tarzeau: I was hoping for something liek cplay I can browse and make playlists bug on a 75mhz 32mb ram.. |
| 00:23.03 | asuffield | onre: correct. RISC and CISC are *obsolete* concepts |
| 00:23.03 | nvz | tarzeau: cplay makes it skip |
| 00:23.09 | asuffield | onre: modern chips *do not work* that way |
| 00:23.23 | m00p | o_O |
| 00:23.26 | tarzeau | nvz: you've got a fileselector |
| 00:23.30 | onre | asuffield, with POWER, for example, you can take advantage of pipelining and all that stuff if you have to write something in assembly (in my case, low-level routines to get non-AIX unix working) |
| 00:23.30 | Twisted_Emotions | caphuso: Oh.. no .py worked... Thanks ;) |
| 00:23.33 | tarzeau | not sure about saving from it, check the docs |
| 00:23.39 | crweb | nvz: you need to cut down some other memory useage then, cause my 75mhz plays stuff fine |
| 00:23.49 | doublehp | asuffield: but have you got tutorial on how to write C for ARM |
| 00:23.50 | doublehp | ? |
| 00:23.51 | asuffield | onre: on a modern processor, the only difference is in the instruction decoder; the rest of the chip is unaffected by RISC/CISC matters, so the instruction set is designed for convinience |
| 00:23.54 | onre | asuffield, though i admit it's pain in the ass to figure which part of cpu does what at a given cycle. |
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| 00:24.11 | nvz | crweb: I've turned off everything I possibly could, it plays with mpg321 but not cplay withoug skipping |
| 00:24.17 | ysothoth | I'm currently running kernel 2.6.8-2-686. make-kpkg will make packages for 2.6.8preempt. How do I change this? I am using the kernel-source to build loop-aes packages. |
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| 00:24.29 | nvz | cplaty runs on top of python |
| 00:24.31 | nvz | slows it down |
| 00:24.37 | doublehp | nvz: did u try mpg123 ? |
| 00:24.38 | cakoose | Is this the place to ask for help with creating packages? |
| 00:24.47 | nvz | either works |
| 00:24.50 | tarzeau | cakoose: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
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| 00:24.58 | dabreegster | nvz: what're you using cplay for? |
| 00:25.01 | doub | ysothoth: try the same using module-assistant |
| 00:25.04 | nvz | I just need a frontend so I can get out of here and play music without having to try and type filenames drunk |
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| 00:25.13 | nvz | cplay is all I had on my pc |
| 00:25.15 | tarzeau | nvz: ocp has that fileselector |
| 00:25.26 | tarzeau | nvz: just try it damn |
| 00:25.27 | nvz | I am not online out there.. i need to d/l something from a debian mirror and get going |
| 00:25.30 | doublehp | tarzeau: how do you quote URL so fast ? |
| 00:25.33 | nvz | well give me a link |
| 00:25.34 | citral | cplay rules. |
| 00:25.43 | tvn | I am trying to add a printer using cups and configure with the cups gui on port 631 localhost, but when trying to print job, cups report client-error-not-possible, am I missing something ? |
| 00:25.45 | tarzeau | doublehp: trained fingers |
| 00:25.47 | nvz | yeah I love cplasy, but thius pc cant handle it apperently |
| 00:25.50 | dabreegster | nvz: Hmm, well, I'm working on a music daemon right now. It's not great memory-wise, but it's nice. |
| 00:25.50 | onre | asuffield, well what is this 'original RISC' that sucks, then? |
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| 00:25.56 | tarzeau | doublehp: ask my gf ;) |
| 00:26.06 | doublehp | tarzeau: by heart ... I am impressed ... not by the speed, but by your memory |
| 00:26.20 | dabreegster | nvz: In combination with esound, it can play a song, pause it, play another, then resume the first and so on. It's quite cool. |
| 00:26.21 | citral | nvz: and the keyboard can(t handle you fingers eh :) |
| 00:26.23 | tarzeau | doublehp: nethack trains your memory ;) |
| 00:26.30 | doub | tarzeau: she likes it when you type urls sooo fast ? |
| 00:26.30 | tarzeau | doublehp: you never want to die the same way twice |
| 00:26.38 | nvz | tarzeau: link? |
| 00:26.41 | tarzeau | doub: yeah |
| 00:26.41 | asuffield | onre: early arm, alpha, etc. early sparc to a limited degree. simple instructions to get the clock rate down |
| 00:26.46 | tarzeau | nvz: www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/ |
| 00:26.48 | dabreegster | crawl is better. |
| 00:26.50 | crweb | nvz: how much ram do you have? |
| 00:26.51 | Doirani | tarzeau: madplay --downsample does a much better job !! |
| 00:26.55 | tarzeau | nvz: oh wait, gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 00:26.57 | nvz | crweb: 32mb |
| 00:27.00 | tarzeau | Doirani: cool |
| 00:27.04 | crweb | nvz: anyway to up that |
| 00:27.15 | tarzeau | doub: we play typespeed alot |
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| 00:27.21 | asuffield | onre: a modern chip like POWER4 has a CISCish instruction set, which dispatches approximately four instructions at a time into approximately a dozen operations. at any time it will normally be executing between three and eight groups of instructions simultaneously and out of order |
| 00:27.21 | onre | asuffield, i thought you were attacking m68k and that's why i got upset :P |
| 00:27.35 | asuffield | onre: so the complexity of the instructions that got decoded really don't matter |
| 00:27.43 | Twisted_Emotions | Is elinks or links the best text based web browser? |
| 00:27.44 | doub | tarzeau: i'll try this when i'll find one. sounds pretty fun! |
| 00:27.49 | tarzeau | Twisted_Emotions: links2 is |
| 00:27.52 | asuffield | it's going to be dispatched as trivial adds, multiplies, etc |
| 00:27.54 | dabreegster | elinks |
| 00:27.55 | onre | asuffield, yup. actually even more. the original POWER can start five instructions on a single cycle, given that they're right types. |
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| 00:28.12 | asuffield | onre: I said 'approximately four'. it can very rarely dispatch five |
| 00:28.13 | Twisted_Emotions | k thanks |
| 00:28.17 | dabreegster | Twisted_Emotions: elinks is MUCH nicer. links2 is crap, unless you want graphics with svgalib |
| 00:28.29 | washu | elinks |
| 00:28.30 | nvz | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 00:28.52 | Twisted_Emotions | so elinks or links2? |
| 00:28.55 | Delph | dabreegster: but which has the javascript support? |
| 00:28.55 | R0ckET | hello for all |
| 00:28.58 | washu | elinks |
| 00:29.05 | Twisted_Emotions | kk... |
| 00:29.23 | onre | asuffield, compiler design matter. XL C succeeds in it far better than GCC. |
| 00:29.26 | Doirani | tarzeau: thanx, too ;-) |
| 00:29.41 | citral | elinks usually, links2 -g if you need graphics (even in console) |
| 00:29.41 | doublehp | asuffield: u didnt tell me ... have you technical sites explaining better than me how powerfull ASIC are vs ARM ? and how to program them in C ? |
| 00:29.44 | dabreegster | Delph: links. But who needs it? Javascript is pointlessly annoying and buggy. |
| 00:30.03 | onre | ASIC is just "application specific integrated circuit", can be just about anything |
| 00:30.14 | doublehp | dabreegster: I agree |
| 00:30.20 | Delph | dabreegster: uhhm, no. |
| 00:30.25 | asuffield | ASIC is just anything that's burned into semiconductors, as opposed to something like an FPGA |
| 00:30.36 | Delph | *javascript* is not pointlessly annoying and buggy. Just what some people do with it is. |
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| 00:30.43 | dabreegster | delph: and websites that insist on using it for everything are badly designed. I'll just read through the source and get where I need to go. |
| 00:30.47 | crweb | maybe you guys should start an arch channel? |
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| 00:30.56 | FieldySnuts | @win dabreegster |
| 00:30.58 | ravenbird | Congratulations, dabreegster! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 00:31.04 | dabreegster | Delph: I havent found a single solid use for it |
| 00:31.06 | Delph | It's really important in low-bandwidth enviroments for checking your arguments before dispatching them. |
| 00:31.08 | Mutacion | hi there :) have anyone has been able to syncronize a palm zire 31 ?? |
| 00:31.15 | doublehp | Delph: it has been said on #debian that it is, therefore, IT IS ! |
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| 00:32.03 | dabreegster | Delph: Alright, that's one good use. Name another. |
| 00:32.03 | Delph | doublehp: and as nice as 'reading through the source is', it's kind of hard when it's in a seperate file. |
| 00:32.03 | doublehp | crweb: any CPU is to be used with some programs .... |
| 00:32.03 | crweb | doublehp: ? |
| 00:32.06 | Delph | dabreegster: that's the only use I tend to use it for. |
| 00:32.24 | Delph | dabreegster: that and altering a web form rapidly |
| 00:32.28 | chealer | should I conclude that my system isn't using a framebuffer if cat /proc/fb returns nothing, or what? |
| 00:32.31 | Henryk | oh, javascript can be much fun for client side applications |
| 00:32.34 | FieldySnuts | if i can't get the info i need without java/javascript, i won't use the site. and if it's a business, they lose my bsuiness |
| 00:32.34 | Delph | eg "select all" "select none" "invert selection" |
| 00:32.44 | m00p | ARM is only better on the power/performace ratio, full stop |
| 00:32.47 | dabreegster | Delph: That's fine. But when people make navigation depend on it and every basic functionality on their site use it, then they have brain damage. And I hate to say, but most people do that. |
| 00:32.55 | doublehp | crweb: there is no better place to discuss about CPU than on software chans ... to me |
| 00:32.57 | FieldySnuts | Henryk: yeah like opening up infinate window |
| 00:32.58 | dabreegster | FieldySnuts: Well put. |
| 00:32.58 | FieldySnuts | s |
| 00:33.04 | Delph | dabreegster: yes. Is this a reason to disable javascript support? |
| 00:33.27 | doublehp | crweb: hardware ppl do not understand what are the need of programs ... |
| 00:33.28 | crweb | doublehp: well, a much better place to discuss about CPU, would be a CPU channel ;) you have to admit? |
| 00:33.30 | Delph | dabreegster: it's like saying, "There are people who make bad html pages. Therefore we shouldn't have a HTML renderer" |
| 00:33.34 | Henryk | FieldySnuts: actually i was thinking more in terms of http://www.ploetzli.ch/forum/highlight/ for example. (Needs a gecko engine because most other browsers lack dom 2 support) |
| 00:33.34 | dabreegster | Delph: Yes. It is for me. If elinks had javascript support, I'd disable it. |
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| 00:33.53 | dabreegster | Delph: True. Sometimes I wondor if Gopher would've been better |
| 00:34.06 | cakoose | I want to create many packages from a single source package. The source package happens to be completely arch independent (nothing to compile). I just need to copy its contents to the various destination directories. How can I edit 'debian/rules' to do that? |
| 00:34.12 | citral | people who use javascript should be kicked in the balls. |
| 00:34.18 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 00:34.25 | crweb | doublehp: i was just trying to toss a little bit of humor into the "cold hard debian channel" ;) |
| 00:34.48 | Delph | dabreegster: oh I dunno, it was a good double act with Phillip Scofield |
| 00:34.54 | Henryk | citral: All extremists should be taken out and shot! |
| 00:34.56 | doublehp | crweb: I was also ... |
| 00:35.07 | dabreegster | perdenab__: cool |
| 00:35.19 | doublehp | crweb: is it really serious to chat about even software on a distribution channel ? |
| 00:35.22 | crweb | doublehp: oh.. well.. i am in here... so.. cold hard it is ;) |
| 00:35.41 | dabreegster | Henryk: Hypocrits too. |
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| 00:36.25 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.28 | dabreegster | perdenab__: having trouble with an ATI video card? Is it rage 128? |
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| 00:36.35 | FieldySnuts | please try not to talk with /me |
| 00:36.35 | Henryk | dabreegster: nah, that wouldn't be half as much fun |
| 00:36.58 | perdenab__ | dabreegster, nope, VM something |
| 00:37.13 | dabreegster | perdenab__: can't help ya; sorry |
| 00:37.19 | perdenab__ | quit loading after the PC was moved, started again after the power spike |
| 00:37.23 | dabreegster | Henryk: It might. I think I shall find out. |
| 00:37.39 | perdenab__ | kinda like that stroke victim who got his faculties back after being struck by lightning |
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| 00:38.00 | perdenab__ | i hate mysteries |
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| 00:38.03 | perdenab__ | in IT at least |
| 00:38.11 | perdenab__ | too much like Windows |
| 00:38.12 | doub | citral: what if women use javascript ? |
| 00:38.23 | Henryk | hehe |
| 00:38.53 | perdenab__ | if women use javascript, they must accept correction from the jumbo logic probe of discipline |
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| 00:42.25 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.44 | dabreegster | doublehp: don't repeat yourself so much. |
| 00:42.49 | doub | doublehp: by not using eterm ? |
| 00:43.27 | CyL | where are the kernel modules located? |
| 00:43.29 | doublehp | doub ? |
| 00:43.41 | resiak | Oh look, it's Overand. |
| 00:44.11 | crweb | CyL: /lib/modules |
| 00:44.19 | CyL | crweb<=- thanks |
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| 00:47.50 | doublehp | !ping |
| 00:47.50 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:48.03 | doublehp | hmmm |
| 00:48.08 | doublehp | everybody died ? |
| 00:48.19 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
| 00:48.26 | ndlong1 | hi :) |
| 00:48.26 | doublehp | never seen a hole of 3 mn in here in 4 years |
| 00:48.33 | dabreegster | Yeah. |
| 00:48.41 | doublehp | especially not at that time |
| 00:48.48 | karsten | !saturday |
| 00:48.48 | dpkg | [saturday] Tardsday Eve |
| 00:48.55 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a beer war |
| 00:48.56 | apt | ACTION removes the guinness taps and starts spraying boddingtons everywhere |
| 00:49.08 | doublehp | apt :) |
| 00:49.09 | apt | (: |
| 00:49.12 | shingouz | | . |
| 00:49.35 | doublehp | apt :) |
| 00:49.36 | apt | (: |
| 00:49.37 | shingouz | | . |
| 00:49.42 | doublehp | bots ... |
| 00:49.42 | ndlong1 | !sunday |
| 00:49.43 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 00:49.53 | doublehp | (: |
| 00:49.54 | ndlong1 | !sunday |
| 00:49.55 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:50.03 | ndlong1 | !debian |
| 00:50.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 00:50.10 | dondelelcaro | ndlong1: you can /msg the bot. |
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| 00:52.07 | goodshit | how do you switch in between user who message you in PORK? anyone know how to do it.. |
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| 00:52.22 | mbrei | hello all |
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| 00:53.07 | runedude | hey lads |
| 00:53.12 | runedude | im back on debian :) |
| 00:53.18 | runedude | floppy install worked perfectly, thank you |
| 00:53.36 | fabuian | flopy? :D |
| 00:53.47 | runedude | i have a question tho.. can Samba (smbclient) mount a filesystem and share certain parts of it.. Like Windows' XP sharedocs |
| 00:53.55 | fevel | could my trouble sharing the internet connectio be because my network is 10 bit/s |
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| 00:54.10 | Delph | runedude: why would samba mount a partition? |
| 00:54.34 | runedude | Delph: well, i jneed to mount my old sharedocs folder on XP |
| 00:54.44 | runedude | to be mounted like a sharedocs folder |
| 00:54.50 | Delph | what's a sharedocs folder? |
| 00:54.53 | runedude | nvm |
| 00:54.57 | runedude | ill just install apache or something |
| 00:55.01 | Delph | right. |
| 00:55.08 | shingouz | runedude: man smbmount |
| 00:55.12 | arjanoosting | runedude: smbclient does not mount anything |
| 00:55.18 | Delph | runedude: because if I know what the <foorandom windows crap> you're talking about is |
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| 00:55.31 | Delph | then perhaps I can point to the appropriate bit of samba. |
| 00:55.38 | runedude | nvm |
| 00:55.40 | Delph | your question doesn't make sense as-is. |
| 00:55.46 | runedude | I know |
| 00:55.54 | runedude | It's very senseless. XD |
| 00:55.57 | runedude | I kinda said it wrong |
| 00:56.26 | Doirani | runedude: I have installed colinux in XP and can use the linux partitions from there |
| 00:56.47 | fevel | can someone help me share documents |
| 00:56.55 | runedude | lol |
| 00:56.57 | runedude | didnt mean that |
| 00:57.00 | fevel | i pinged o test the network and its fine |
| 00:57.21 | Doirani | Hm |
| 00:57.24 | mbrei | is anyone in here from the northern IL southern WI area? |
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| 00:58.18 | resiak | Yes yes me me me oh wait nol. |
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| 00:59.37 | dilbert42 | anyone using Etherape ??? |
| 00:59.53 | dabreegster | dilbert42: is that a joke? |
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| 01:00.07 | dilbert42 | NO, i sumbled upon something ... |
| 01:00.30 | dabreegster | dilbert42: do I want to know what that is? |
| 01:01.00 | dilbert42 | debreegster: dont know ... |
| 01:01.34 | dilbert42 | debreegster: I launched it to look at active connections ... |
| 01:01.39 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:01.59 | dabreegster | dilbert42: Nice. The name is a bit.. odd. |
| 01:02.00 | Loof | Any quick pointers on how I can cause my laptop to idle or throttle down (It's an older P5-MMX based laptop, so nothing like speedstep)... Seems like it's been running a lot hotter earlier. There used to be an option to issue HLT instructions when the kernel is idle that caused it to run rather cool. |
| 01:02.25 | dilbert42 | debreegster: and discovered it listened on port udp/32780 .... |
| 01:02.30 | dabreegster | Loof: apm and related? There's also vesa screen blanking. |
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| 01:02.46 | karsten | Loof: There's a 'Laptop HOWTO' which covers settings for optimizing bettery life. |
| 01:03.05 | Loof | karsten: I'm not worried as much about battery life... just heat, but I'll check it out |
| 01:03.13 | dabreegster | Why is everybody spelling my name with an 'e' today? |
| 01:03.15 | dilbert42 | debreegster: googled for that, and sumbled upon a strange site ... |
| 01:03.21 | karsten | Loof: I'd recommend *not* using Speedstep unless it's radically improved. I found it was an awfully reliable way to hang my system, a couple years back. |
| 01:03.25 | Doirani | Which battery ? mine is gone since ... |
| 01:03.28 | Henryk | Loof: the halt when idle option is till there |
| 01:03.36 | dabreegster | dilbert42: conspiracy about...? |
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| 01:03.52 | Loof | karsten: My system is waaay to old to support anything like speedstep |
| 01:04.07 | Loof | Henryk: Hmmm, maybe I missed it someplace... Do you remember how to check if it is on, etc? |
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| 01:04.28 | dilbert42 | dabreegster: dont know ... look for yourself 'etherape 32780' ... |
| 01:04.36 | damog | resiak: :) |
| 01:04.42 | Henryk | Loof: which kernel? |
| 01:04.50 | karsten | Loof: For heat: underclock your CPU. |
| 01:04.56 | dilbert42 | dabreegster: wondered if anyone had this kind of behaviour ... |
| 01:04.59 | Loof | 2.6.8 |
| 01:05.05 | dabreegster | dilbert42: at first the odd thing was the name of the package. Capitalize the r and wondor what the maintainer was smoking. |
| 01:05.07 | karsten | dabreegster: Beceese we cen. |
| 01:05.09 | Henryk | I'll have a look |
| 01:05.09 | Loof | karsten: Heh, how? |
| 01:05.28 | dilbert42 | dabreegster: (well anyone else) |
| 01:05.28 | karsten | Loof: Usually BIOS, mobo jumpers, or dip switches. |
| 01:05.32 | Loof | sheesh |
| 01:05.34 | Loof | LAPTOP |
| 01:05.40 | karsten | Loof: Doesn't matter. |
| 01:05.42 | dilbert42 | dabreegster: exact name : etherape ... |
| 01:06.00 | Henryk | Loof: Kernel config -> Power Management -> APM -> Make CPU Idle calls when idle |
| 01:06.04 | Loof | karsten: Thank you for the advice, I wish you knew what you were actually talking about 'cause it would be very cool to be able to do that. |
| 01:06.05 | dabreegster | dilbert42: nevermind about that. etherape 32780 isn't returning anything interesting. |
| 01:06.06 | dilbert42 | dabreegster: debian.org says it exists in testing ... |
| 01:06.07 | karsten | Loof: Laptops have BIOSes, and mobos. Might have to work a bit to get at it, usually access through the keyboard. |
| 01:06.13 | Henryk | Loof: config option CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE |
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| 01:06.19 | rixth | My harddrive space has dissapeared! df -m says /dev/hda9 6988 (size) 6240 (used) 394 (free) 95% /home (mount) yet if I right click on the /home folder, it says size of the folder is 1.2gb and Free space: 294 MB |
| 01:06.25 | karsten | Loof: Well, I _do_ know what I'm talking about in a general case. What's the laptop make/model? |
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| 01:06.26 | shingouz | Loof: does your laptop have a fan? it might be a bit fubar already if the laptop is real old |
| 01:07.01 | rixth | 394* |
| 01:07.29 | karsten | Loof: BIOS may have settings for bus speed, you can drop that, the CPU will be commensurately slower. |
| 01:07.47 | goodshit | hey. anyone know in PORK. how do i set it to color? what do i need to install to get color instead of just black and white screen. ? anyone know how to get color using PORK?? |
| 01:07.51 | resiak | I appear to have a buggered-up file on my XFS root partition. (This is due to me using the computer for a while with bad RAM (which is irrelevant).) Anyway, any operation upon the file (including stat) gives the useful error "Unknown error 990". Sadly, this file is part of pppeoconf, which has a new version happily wanting to replace said file, whereupon dpkg fails miserably since it can't touch this file. touch /forcefsck is u |
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| 01:08.05 | Mike77 | Hi ppl. I am getting a loud noise when I shutdown my linux box. It sounds like parking the head three times fast. Is this normal? is this safe? |
| 01:08.06 | dilbert42 | dabreegster: interesting ? you mean a site all-around UTF-8, speaking of server.32780-client isn't ? |
| 01:08.10 | Loof | Henryk: I'll check on it, currently I'm using the debian binary... (wonders what the quickest way to figure out if it is on in the standard release) I'll see if there's any ksym that is related to it |
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| 01:08.24 | shingouz | Mike77: sounds like a bad drive |
| 01:08.27 | Loof | shingouz: Yah, I thought about that... check on the fan (only one in the case) and cleaned it out too |
| 01:08.30 | resiak | Was that message truncated? |
| 01:08.31 | tarzeau | Mike77: can you open teh thing and check from where it really is? |
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| 01:08.49 | shingouz | Loof: what laptop? |
| 01:08.58 | dabreegster | dilbert42: just give me a URL of this interesting website or tell me whats so amusing, please. |
| 01:09.02 | mikeX | Mike77, i get that sometimes too |
| 01:09.03 | Loof | karsten: It's a Dell Inspiron...and no it doesn't...nor does it have dip-switches or jumpers... speed would be determined by the cpu daughterboard. |
| 01:09.07 | shingouz | Mike77: could be any of the fans too for that matter |
| 01:09.18 | karsten | Loof: What model Dell? |
| 01:09.19 | resiak | abrotman: You are wise. Scroll up, read my message: was it truncated? IOW, does it mention beer |
| 01:09.20 | Mike77 | I'm 98% certain it comes from the drive. |
| 01:09.31 | Henryk | Loof: don't know, never used a distribution kernel. Check for /proc/config.gz, or /boot/config-* or so |
| 01:09.32 | mikeX | Mike77, it's the hard drive, changing IDE interfaces stopped it |
| 01:09.32 | dabreegster | dilbert42: So what's the big deal? Were you unknowingly 0wned? |
| 01:09.34 | Sentia | is there any default setting in debian which would block port 3306? I can connect to mysql localy but not from win box on intranet, yes I've set allow any host '%' for the user I am trying to connect with |
| 01:09.42 | dilbert42 | debreegster: hx007.blogdriver.com/ |
| 01:09.45 | Loof | shingouz: Inspiron 3k |
| 01:09.50 | tarzeau | Sentia: read /usr/share/doc/mysqlpkg? |
| 01:09.50 | karsten | Loof: You might look for starshine (Heather Stern) on here or debian-laptops. She know most of the Inspirion line. |
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| 01:09.58 | Sentia | k |
| 01:10.02 | Mike77 | I'll try swapping the IDE interfase. Thanks! |
| 01:10.09 | dilbert42 | anyone knows a rootkit detector for shiny linux ? |
| 01:10.09 | WolfCub | Hey guys I'm tryin to get my tv card to work, but tv time says: videoinput: Cannot open capture device /dev/video0: No such device. |
| 01:10.11 | Loof | karsten: I've this thing completely apart before. I know it fairly well. |
| 01:10.12 | dabreegster | dilbert42: OK. and please, call my dabreegster. with an a. |
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| 01:10.17 | mikeX | Mike77, although that's weird |
| 01:10.24 | karsten | Loof: OK. |
| 01:10.28 | fevel | to share a folder do i need to install samba and smbfs on both linux boxes |
| 01:10.30 | karsten | Loof: Make/model? |
| 01:10.38 | abrotman | resiak: que? |
| 01:10.39 | karsten | Loof: ...and if you don't tell me what you know, I don't know. |
| 01:10.43 | karsten | !tell Loof about esp |
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| 01:10.56 | Mike77 | mikeX: sure is ! I want to use this box as a server, but I'm afraid that the HD is not going to last long this way |
| 01:10.57 | abrotman | resiak: yes |
| 01:11.05 | resiak | abrotman: Yes beer, or yes truncated? |
| 01:11.09 | Loof | karsten: I said earlier, that I appreciated your adivce...but that it doesn't apply... I said it about 4 different ways. |
| 01:11.19 | abrotman | fevel: don't DCC me anything .. fucking idiot |
| 01:11.29 | Loof | karsten: Worthwhile effort, but N/A |
| 01:11.33 | mikeX | Mike77, it happened to me to a relatively new 200GB WD disk |
| 01:11.47 | fevel | sorry dude i just wanted to ask if ure brazilllian |
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| 01:11.52 | karsten | Loof: I'm curious as to the model, that's it. |
| 01:11.56 | kaplanfx | does the debian openal package work with alsa now? |
| 01:11.57 | mikeX | Mike77, but only when I had it on the RAID ide cable of my motherboard (MSI KT3 Ultra) |
| 01:12.07 | dabreegster | dilbert42: Ew. that site renders like crap. What exactly is it? |
| 01:12.08 | Loof | shingouz: It's kinda interesting...there's a large 'plate' under the keyboard that acts as a heatsink...with a large heat-pipe to a fairly efficient fan on the side. |
| 01:12.10 | kaplanfx | I've been tweaking my .openalrc but no luck yet |
| 01:12.11 | dilbert42 | Package: etherape - Version 0.9.0-9 ... ANYONE installed it ? |
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| 01:12.19 | resiak | I have a buggered-up file on my XFS / partition. Any operation upon the file (including stat) gives the useful error "Unknown error 990". Sadly, this file is part of pppeoconf, which has a new version happily wanting to replace said file, whereupon dpkg fails miserably since it can't touch this file. touch /forcefsck is useless, since fsck.xfs simply returns true. I need to run xfs_repair on the filesystem, but cannot since the |
| 01:12.20 | Loof | more complex heat distrubution than I ever expected in a cheap old computer :> |
| 01:12.21 | mikeX | Mike77, changing it back to one of the normal IDE cables made it stop as i said before |
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| 01:12.26 | dabreegster | dilbert42: I mean, I know it's unicode. But what is the big deal? |
| 01:12.26 | resiak | abrotman: ? |
| 01:12.34 | Loof | It's a pentium MMX-233 to give you an idea of ag |
| 01:12.35 | Loof | age |
| 01:12.36 | abrotman | resiak: yes .. truncated |
| 01:12.39 | resiak | abrotman: Again? |
| 01:12.39 | Loof | but it has a really decent screen |
| 01:12.40 | resiak | abrotman: :( |
| 01:12.41 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:12.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:12.44 | Loof | so that's all I really care about |
| 01:12.47 | Mike77 | mikeX: it is really weird. I'll give that a try. |
| 01:12.48 | abrotman | for me anyways |
| 01:12.48 | resiak | abrotman: Where? |
| 01:12.50 | Loof | Basically it's a nice portable terminal |
| 01:12.54 | abrotman | resiak: but cannot since th |
| 01:13.00 | Loof | but it's heating up enough to make the wifi card flake out during heavy use |
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| 01:13.12 | dilbert42 | dabreegster: frankly dont know ... maybe some browser's exploit ? |
| 01:13.20 | dabreegster | dilbert42: Looks like one of those websites that has a lot of gibberish on it. Those things always seem to turn up when searching for songs. Damn advertising. |
| 01:13.23 | shingouz | Loof: maybe it is the wlan card then, they do get a bit warm from time to time |
| 01:13.31 | Humanoid | Where does debconf store its configuration? I did "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" to change the frontend, but I can't find any files in /etc that keep this information stored. |
| 01:13.37 | Loof | No |
| 01:13.57 | Loof | The problem is that the debian binary now has the CPU IDLE config turned OFF |
| 01:14.00 | eggenz7 | hey all...im currently running kernel 2.4.22 and im trying to install 2.6.11-7...everything compiled ok but when i try to boot to the new kernel i dont get any video |
| 01:14.01 | dabreegster | dilbert42: I have no clue, I'm on elinks. So again, what is the big deal? Some sites just have random words in 'em to bump up their rank in search engines |
| 01:14.04 | shingouz | Loof: battery going bad is also a possibility |
| 01:14.09 | Loof | that would make the huge difference in heat I'm seeing |
| 01:14.11 | Loof | I just checked. |
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| 01:14.15 | shingouz | :) |
| 01:14.24 | resiak | I have a buggered-up file on my XFS / partition. Any operation upon the file (including stat) gives the useful error "Unknown error 990". Sadly, this file is part of pppeoconf, which has a new version happily wanting to replace said file, but dpkg fails since it can't touch this file. touch /forcefsck is useless, since fsck.xfs simply returns true. I need to run xfs_repair on the filesystem, but cannot since the filesystem must |
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| 01:14.35 | Loof | For some really wierd reason I didn't think that flag was there anymore in 2.6.x |
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| 01:14.40 | MegaByte | Hey guys |
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| 01:14.51 | MegaByte | how do I update to x.org? |
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| 01:15.07 | tarzeau | MegaByte: after 6 months |
| 01:15.15 | tarzeau | MegaByte: apt-get install xorg or so |
| 01:15.20 | resiak | !topicsmite MegaByte |
| 01:15.21 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon MegaByte. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 01:15.23 | dabreegster | !tell MegaByte about xorg |
| 01:15.47 | kaplanfx | MegaByte: there is an unofficial repository deb http://www.acm.rpi.edu/~dilinger/xorg/ ./ |
| 01:15.55 | kaplanfx | im using it, but its a little shaky |
| 01:16.20 | kaplanfx | you system *will* break and need quite a bit of tweaking to get running again |
| 01:17.40 | MegaByte | debian:/home/x1# apt-get install xorg |
| 01:17.47 | MegaByte | E: Couldn't find package xorg |
| 01:17.58 | tarzeau | MegaByte: after 6 monhts! |
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| 01:18.15 | Loof | I really should tweak the config. on my laptop more/more often... then APM module wasn't even running |
| 01:18.20 | Loof | maaaybe that will make a difference :P |
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| 01:19.30 | notJeepJerk | hello |
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| 01:20.17 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: pee on SuSE |
| 01:20.17 | MegaByte | tarzeau, After 6 months what? |
| 01:20.23 | tarzeau | MegaByte: install xorg |
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| 01:20.45 | SiliconViper | Can someone suggest a way to make routine backups of a server? Tape drives aren't an option, and I'd just like to back them up to a nearby server. |
| 01:21.03 | goodshit | silicon. how big |
| 01:21.04 | Delph | SiliconViper: bash, tar, and scp? |
| 01:21.13 | karsten | SiliconViper: And why is tape not an option? |
| 01:21.14 | Delph | or unision/ rsync |
| 01:21.27 | shingouz | SiliconViper: rsync over ssh? |
| 01:21.29 | SiliconViper | karsten, don't have tape. ;p |
| 01:21.44 | karsten | SiliconViper: Work or personal server? |
| 01:21.45 | MegaByte | tarzeau, I don`t understand exactly what you mean |
| 01:21.50 | notJeepJerk | can I get some help installing a Broadcom NIC? (BCM4413) |
| 01:22.00 | SiliconViper | shingouz, and how easy would it be to restore? |
| 01:22.01 | MegaByte | tarzeau, xorg will only be in the repository after 6 months? |
| 01:22.04 | SiliconViper | karsten, work. |
| 01:22.11 | tarzeau | MegaByte: yes |
| 01:22.18 | karsten | SiliconViper: You can do disk backups, but that's not quite the same thing. If it's work, I'd make a very strong case for tape. |
| 01:22.50 | goodshit | get acronis backup |
| 01:23.00 | goodshit | it backup the whole images.. and can restore in mins.. |
| 01:23.51 | SiliconViper | goodshit, .... that's a Windows program, isn't it? |
| 01:23.54 | Loof | Ok, good... one positive thing...there's a reason why I thought that IDLE flag had gone away |
| 01:24.07 | goodshit | sili. NO they got one for linux also!! |
| 01:24.10 | Loof | it's there...but it just sets idle_treshold, which can now be changed at run-time |
| 01:24.15 | SiliconViper | goodshit, ah! |
| 01:24.25 | goodshit | the BEST!!!! |
| 01:24.29 | Sentia | Tarzeau thank you, it was in there |
| 01:24.33 | SiliconViper | goodshit, too expensive. |
| 01:24.39 | goodshit | :) |
| 01:24.44 | goodshit | it work the BEST!!! |
| 01:24.47 | goodshit | i'm telling u.. |
| 01:24.50 | goodshit | for SERVER and workstation.. |
| 01:24.57 | goodshit | try out the demo |
| 01:24.58 | goodshit | its FREEE |
| 01:25.07 | karsten | Loof: Dell's manuals. Best I can tell that board's not clockable absent solder-mods: http://support.jp.dell.com/docs/systems/ptwist/ |
| 01:25.07 | SiliconViper | Doesn't matter. Needs to be Free. |
| 01:25.07 | goodshit | see how it work.. and buy it!! |
| 01:25.14 | karsten | !tell goodshit about enter |
| 01:25.25 | notJeepJerk | can I get some help installing a Broadcom NIC? (BCM4413) |
| 01:25.38 | FieldySnuts | shove it in the bloody slot |
| 01:25.49 | notJeepJerk | yeah |
| 01:25.53 | notJeepJerk | got that part |
| 01:26.03 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 01:26.10 | notJeepJerk | then I load the module (bc44) and nothing happens |
| 01:26.59 | Loof | karsten: Handy link, thanks for checking... did you notice what I said about APM and idle_treshold? |
| 01:27.26 | shingouz | notJeepJerk: how about ifconfigging it too? |
| 01:27.28 | buhb0 | how would i reconfigure my exim4 mailserver to accept mail from forgien ips |
| 01:27.45 | notJeepJerk | shingouz: ifconfig says it can't find it |
| 01:28.15 | karsten | Loof: I caught a couple of comments.... |
| 01:28.20 | runedude | How come I cant use the "ifconfig" tool on debian? |
| 01:28.23 | karsten | Loof: ...the IDLE flag. |
| 01:28.30 | runedude | Is there any way to install the "ifconfig" ? |
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| 01:28.49 | karsten | Loof: Google Groups shows one overclocking post, with a negative response. |
| 01:29.01 | karsten | runedude: aptitude install ifupdown. |
| 01:29.02 | dabreegster | Is there a script to retrieve articles from wikipedia? apt-cache search only reveals a plugin |
| 01:29.05 | Orlino | Hey guys, how do I get syslogd to log iptables to file not terminal? |
| 01:29.08 | timo_ | when i start kde there is sound output, when i play movies in any program it gives output, when i play mp3 in any program the playback works but there is no sound output at all and no error messages, where to start the troubleshooting? |
| 01:29.20 | buhb0 | whats the tool i used to get a menu to choose exim4 options |
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| 01:29.26 | karsten | runedude: Run as root. Should be installed. It's in /sbin, so not in your user's path. |
| 01:29.35 | runedude | got it :) thanks |
| 01:29.41 | karsten | buhb0: dpkg-reconfigure, most likely. |
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| 01:29.54 | notJeepJerk | so besides loading the driver module and running ifconfig there's nothing else I should have to do? |
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| 01:30.46 | shingouz | notJeepJerk: you sure that is a nic? i think it is closer to HomePNA |
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| 01:31.02 | Varanger | please, I need to buy some domains |
| 01:31.07 | buhb0 | kareten, it didnt work |
| 01:31.09 | runedude | Is there anyway I can enable IPv6 on my system? |
| 01:31.14 | buhb0 | it just executed it and put me back on a prompt |
| 01:31.24 | karsten | Varanger: http://www.go-daddy.com/ |
| 01:31.28 | Varanger | sorry becuase it is not Linux- or Debian-related!!! but I need that info |
| 01:31.32 | notJeepJerk | shingouz: I don't know what a PNA is, it looks like a NIC/modem |
| 01:31.33 | Varanger | thanks karsten |
| 01:31.33 | simonrvn | fun with netbsd |
| 01:31.40 | FieldySnuts | totally off topic geez |
| 01:31.41 | karsten | Varanger: ...or post your CC#, expiration date, SS |
| 01:31.46 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:31.49 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:31.49 | MegaByte | tarzeau, since xorg will be only available after 6 months do you know where I can get a non-official build of x.org? |
| 01:31.53 | karsten | Varanger: ...or post your CC#, expiration date, SSN, and mother's maiden name, we'll take car of it for you. |
| 01:32.02 | runedude | lol |
| 01:32.03 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: very OT =) |
| 01:32.07 | CyL_ | hoe do I list the usb devices in my box? |
| 01:32.08 | timo_ | well, i guess ill try reseating pci card, because i dont know what else to do |
| 01:32.13 | CyL_ | s/hoe/how |
| 01:32.18 | karsten | buhb0: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 ? |
| 01:32.18 | shingouz | notJeepJerk: you sure you have the correct module in |
| 01:32.19 | simonrvn | lsusb |
| 01:32.19 | tarzeau | MegaByte: from #ubuntu but don't ask anything about it |
| 01:32.20 | runedude | * Cannot guarantee you will get the domain name :P |
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| 01:32.44 | runedude | How can I enable ipv6 on my system? |
| 01:32.49 | karsten | !Tell MegaByte about xorg |
| 01:32.55 | arjanoosting | MegaByte: or from deb http://www.acm.cs.rpi.edu/~dilinger/xorg/ ./ |
| 01:32.56 | Humanoid | Okay, I found the location of debconf's configuration file. It's /var/cache/debconf/config.dat but shouldn't it be placed in /etc instead? |
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| 01:33.09 | notJeepJerk | shingouz: no |
| 01:33.10 | buhb0 | karesten it dosent give me that menu |
| 01:33.31 | karsten | buhb0: OK, that was a WAG. |
| 01:33.31 | runedude | How can I enable ipv6 on my system?... does anyone know? |
| 01:33.34 | Varanger | thanks karsten |
| 01:34.00 | runedude | like on my kernel |
| 01:34.11 | shingouz | notJeepJerk: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0109.3/0593.html |
| 01:34.13 | notJeepJerk | shingouz: did a lot of googling and thats all I could come up with |
| 01:34.17 | karsten | runedude: modprobe ipv6 |
| 01:34.36 | runedude | thanks. |
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| 01:34.45 | notJeepJerk | shingouz: much thanks, I'll do some reading |
| 01:34.51 | karsten | What's the current status of devfs? Recommended or deprecated? |
| 01:35.00 | shingouz | notJeepJerk: lemme check another one |
| 01:35.19 | Henryk | karsten: deprecated |
| 01:35.37 | SiliconViper | depreciated, from what I recall. |
| 01:35.43 | Henryk | and apparently it has never been recommend, although I really liked it as a gentoo user |
| 01:36.34 | MegaByte | oh, btw... how do I run a script at bootime? (all runlevels) |
| 01:37.05 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: stick it in /etc/init.d/ and link it into the runlevels you want to run |
| 01:37.11 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 01:38.00 | CyL_ | Anybodu here knows how to run pinnacle pctv usb with linux? |
| 01:38.08 | shingouz | notJeepJerk: where did you get the nic from? is it from your isp by any chance? |
| 01:38.10 | CyL_ | s/anybodu/anybody |
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| 01:38.32 | runedude | And does anyone know how to setup a IPV6 tunnel, from HE.net? Lol.. |
| 01:38.36 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, but how can I make sure it`ll run after *all* other scripts? |
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| 01:39.14 | bob2 | runedude: presumably he.net does |
| 01:39.29 | Henryk | runedude: https://noc.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=ossetup looks good |
| 01:39.31 | notJeepJerk | shingouz: nah, its in this DE100c from HP |
| 01:39.38 | rixth | Could someone help me write (or write for me ^_^ ) a script that will go through a directory (and all sub directories) that removes all files that aren't .mp3 or .wma? |
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| 01:39.59 | notJeepJerk | shingouz: it was an entertainment system that HP used to sell that ran linux |
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| 01:40.11 | mwilson | rixth: Why would anyone do it for you? |
| 01:40.19 | shingouz | notJeepJerk: what is it supposed tto connect to? |
| 01:40.23 | Henryk | rixth: you're looking for find. |
| 01:40.34 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: make it S99zfoo or similar |
| 01:40.34 | notJeepJerk | shingouz: it connects to eth |
| 01:40.40 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: what exactly is this that you're trying to run? |
| 01:40.52 | muuh-gnu | rixth: I'll help you write a script that removes all *.wma files, if you want. |
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| 01:41.09 | rixth | muuh-gnu, they were made before I saw the light! |
| 01:41.15 | mwilson | I'll contribute one that deletes all MP3 files. |
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| 01:41.42 | Henryk | rixth: find directory -not ( -iname "*.wma" -o -iname "*.mp3" ) |
| 01:41.46 | dondelelcaro | find . -type f -not \( -iname *.mp3 -or -iname *.wma |
| 01:41.49 | shingouz | notJeepJerk: you also said "was". i believe you may have a good chance if you do a serious google for the console instead in that case. someone may actually have documented the thing somewhere |
| 01:41.51 | mwilson | rixth: What if I did? |
| 01:42.08 | dondelelcaro | find . -type f -not \( -iname '*.mp3' -or -iname '*.wma' \) -print0 |xargs -0 rm -f; |
| 01:42.11 | rixth | mwilson, I'm in a small country with lax copyright enforcement! |
| 01:42.20 | dondelelcaro | hrm... the escaped () are probably superfluous |
| 01:42.22 | mwilson | rixth: So? |
| 01:42.53 | rixth | dondelelcaro, Henryk, thanks! mwilson, ... |
| 01:43.57 | rixth | dondelelcaro, you do have to escape them |
| 01:44.21 | rixth | I want to remove all the AlbumArt bullshit that XP puts in there |
| 01:44.36 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, I`m trying to run an authentication script |
| 01:44.44 | karsten | Henryk: Thanks. |
| 01:45.01 | notJeepJerk | shingouz: I'll just keep googling |
| 01:46.24 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: what type of authentication script? |
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| 01:47.17 | ju | hey |
| 01:47.23 | ju | anyone here>? |
| 01:47.29 | dondelelcaro | no, no one is here. |
| 01:47.34 | ju | lol |
| 01:47.37 | notJeepJerk | shingouz: found a driver but its only for kernel 2.4, think I'll have any luck getting it to work with 2.6? |
| 01:47.55 | shingouz | notJeepJerk: probably not unless you code |
| 01:48.04 | ju | how did you study debian linux? |
| 01:48.05 | Henryk | notJeepJerk: not without some fun |
| 01:48.19 | shingouz | Henryk: as i just said ;) |
| 01:48.21 | simonrvn | ju: by using it |
| 01:48.29 | notJeepJerk | I do, but I wasn't really looking forward to that kind of answer :P |
| 01:48.32 | dondelelcaro | ju: by reading and using it. You can start by reading the debian reference. |
| 01:48.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell ju -about debian reference |
| 01:48.48 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: :) |
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| 01:50.35 | notJeepJerk | well thanks guys, I'll be off to coding then |
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| 01:51.13 | Henryk | notJeepJerk: just in case: I found http://lwn.net/Articles/driver-porting/ extremely helpful at that |
| 01:52.13 | resiak | If anyone can think of a more elegant/sane way to run xfs_repair on my root partition over ssh than by debootstrapping just enough of Debian to have sshd and xfs_repair onto a spare partition then booting from that one, speak up now. :) |
| 01:52.26 | notJeepJerk | actually... maybe I'll spend this time searching my closets for a NIC ;) |
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| 01:53.02 | rixth | I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but is there a grep/shell command to add a string at the begining of every line in a text file? |
| 01:53.11 | Henryk | so, i'll be off to get some sleep |
| 01:53.33 | caphuso | rixth: sed -e 's/^/string /' file > file.temp && cp file.temp file |
| 01:53.59 | rixth | caphuso, well, that's prety complex! |
| 01:54.33 | rixth | thanks |
| 01:54.33 | caphuso | rixth: no, it's really simple |
| 01:55.11 | rixth | sed -e 's/^/string /' that's the bit I don't get, the rest I do |
| 01:55.53 | caphuso | rixth: that just means replace (the s/// command in sed) the beginning of the line (the regex ^) with "string " |
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| 01:56.46 | rixth | caphuso, thanks. One more thing you may be able to help me with, find /media2 -not \( -iname "*.wma" -o -iname "*.mp3" \) how can I change that so it doesn't return directories too? |
| 01:56.53 | zorton | is there a good way to create a sort of package cache? so the various computers I have around don't download packages more than once? |
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| 01:57.13 | maher | zorton: apt-proxy? |
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| 01:57.38 | dabreegster | !ping |
| 01:57.38 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:57.38 | zorton | i'll take a look, does it allow me to add localy created packages? like kernel packages? |
| 01:57.41 | caphuso | rixth: how about stuff that's neither a regular file nor a directory, e.g. symlinks or named pipes? |
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| 01:57.53 | MegaByte | there's a problem |
| 01:57.57 | MegaByte | I mean two. |
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| 01:58.10 | MegaByte | one: modules are loaded but there's no sound |
| 01:58.19 | rixth | caphuso, this is simpyly cleaning out all the AlbumArt crap that XP puts in, there's not symliunks or anything |
| 01:58.32 | MegaByte | it works when I run alsaconf, but I don't want to do this time and again |
| 01:58.32 | caphuso | rixth: -type f |
| 01:59.09 | MegaByte | two: my auth script needs to be run after connection is up |
| 01:59.14 | MegaByte | how do I ensure that? |
| 01:59.44 | rixth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:02.21 | rixth | caphuso, what about this. Say I have a file in /media2/Full Albums/Halo Original Soundtrack/AlbumArtSmall.jpg how can I replace the spaces with "\ "? |
| 02:03.17 | caphuso | rixth: seriously? |
| 02:03.30 | Phated | rename? |
| 02:03.50 | rixth | caphuso, are you using that in a mocking sense? Yes, I'm deadly serious |
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| 02:04.48 | caphuso | i think i've seen more file names with embedded newlines in it than i have seen with embedded backslashes... |
| 02:04.51 | rixth | caphuso, I just want to change it in the text file that was created by sed -e 's/^/rm /' delete > file.temp && cp file.temp delete so that I can run ./delete and it will remove all .jpgs |
| 02:05.41 | rixth | caphuso, No! I don't want to rename the folders. But I need /media2/Full Albums/Halo Original Soundtrack/AlbumArtSmall.jpg change to /media2/Full\ Albums/Halo\ Original\ Soundtrack/AlbumArtSmall.jpg in the text file |
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| 02:06.38 | caphuso | rixth: don't make it that complicated... while read a; do echo rm "$a"; done < delete |
| 02:06.59 | caphuso | rixth: check that it removes nothing you don't want it to remove, then rerun without the echo |
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| 02:07.39 | rixth | rm: cannot remove `rm /media2/Full Albums/afi/A.F.I - All Hallows/allhellowsep-back.jpg': No such file or directory |
| 02:07.52 | onre | you have the rm's still in the file :) |
| 02:07.56 | rixth | That's my problem, I need to escape the spaces in the folder names |
| 02:08.04 | onre | sed 's/^rm //g' or something :) |
| 02:08.07 | onre | no you don't |
| 02:08.17 | onre | the line before works, you just have to fix the delete file to be without preceding rm's |
| 02:08.30 | rixth | onre already done :) |
| 02:08.49 | onre | rm: cannot remove `rm ... doesn't look like it |
| 02:10.55 | resiak | rixth: Don't use sed... |
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| 02:11.43 | resiak | rixth: Use what caphuso suggested. He is wise. |
| 02:11.58 | caphuso | i was the one who suggested sed in the first place... |
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| 02:12.08 | dabreegster | Sorry, lost my connection. |
| 02:12.30 | resiak | caphuso: ... what was wrong with for a in *.jpeg ? |
| 02:12.34 | resiak | rixth: Sorry, I misunderstood. |
| 02:13.13 | caphuso | resiak: won't descend into subdirectories without a decent shell |
| 02:13.35 | resiak | caphuso: find ? |
| 02:14.05 | caphuso | yeah, "find -print0 | xargs -0 rm" would have been the most decent solution |
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| 02:14.56 | rixth_ | My computer went mental! |
| 02:15.11 | caphuso | heh |
| 02:15.15 | furrywolf | lol |
| 02:15.40 | resiak | rixth_: I haxx0red you with a jpeg with an embedded newline ;) |
| 02:16.03 | caphuso | if i'd knew how to add FLWs, i'd add that one |
| 02:16.04 | rixth_ | caphuso, I opened up gedit, fust clicked "Replace" and band, mouse locked up, keyboard had no effect. Had to hit the reset button |
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| 02:16.23 | fas3r | hi all |
| 02:16.24 | fas3r | anybody have notebook toshiba A30-881???? |
| 02:16.54 | caphuso | fas3r: why, do you have any to share with us? |
| 02:16.59 | maher | fas3r: check linux-laptops.net |
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| 02:17.09 | resiak | caphuso: Which words do you think are famous and last? |
| 02:17.11 | CyL | How do I recompile the kernel w/o interfering with the package system? |
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| 02:17.27 | fas3r | maher no i just i not sur, the sound card was alsa , i just want confimation |
| 02:17.36 | caphuso | resiak: "my computer went mental!" |
| 02:17.38 | bob2 | CyL: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 02:17.42 | caphuso | resiak: no idea |
| 02:17.46 | CyL | bob2<=- thanks |
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| 02:17.53 | resiak | caphuso: You want those added? |
| 02:18.16 | rixth_ | caphuso, now now! |
| 02:18.30 | caphuso | Danar: don't /msg me |
| 02:18.52 | Danar | ok. sorry |
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| 02:18.55 | caphuso | resiak: it's not worth finding out how to do it, IMNSHO |
| 02:19.15 | resiak | !flw34 is < rixth_> My computer went mental! |
| 02:19.15 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 02:19.29 | resiak | dpkg: famous last words =~ s/33/33|34/ |
| 02:19.29 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
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| 02:19.50 | mohohaha | how can i make dhclient not to renew hostname? |
| 02:19.53 | caphuso | ah, flw wasn't the complicated one |
| 02:20.10 | rixth_ | caphuso, resiak, could someone explain what you just did? |
| 02:20.16 | resiak | caphuso: qotd involves qotdx |
| 02:20.23 | resiak | rixth_: I just added you to the list of famous last words :) |
| 02:20.26 | resiak | !flw |
| 02:20.26 | dpkg | i guess flw12 is <digitaltemper> caphuso why what you going to do haxor me heh |
| 02:20.28 | caphuso | rixth_: talking and playing stupid tricks with the bot |
| 02:20.50 | rixth_ | Oh yes, I see. Now, to kill the ghost of rixth.. |
| 02:21.01 | caphuso | rixth_: it's already gone |
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| 02:21.10 | rixth | So it has |
| 02:21.47 | mohohaha | anyone ? |
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| 02:22.14 | resiak | mohohaha: The letters FTRM come to mind, but not in that order. |
| 02:22.25 | bob2 | mohohaha: doesn't the dhclient manpage have a flag for that? |
| 02:22.33 | furrywolf | well, so-so garage sales today. got a pair of powered usb hubs for $2, a new-in-box 800 watt inverter with a pile of new battery cables for $20, some assorted power tools for $10, and a few small things. not bad, but not great. oh well. :) |
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| 02:23.34 | rixth | caphuso, what was that command with while echo rm "$a"? I lost it |
| 02:23.51 | caphuso | 04:06 caphuso> rixth: don't make it that complicated... while read a; do echo |
| 02:23.51 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.02 | furrywolf | rixth: umm. what are you trying to do? |
| 02:24.15 | mohohaha | bob2: i just didn't know which flag it is |
| 02:24.15 | resiak | rixth: Recursively delete jpegs. I don't know why find(1) isn't suitable. |
| 02:24.16 | rixth | Thanks, furrywolf remove all jpgs from a directory |
| 02:24.38 | furrywolf | trying to wipe porn before spouse finds out? :P |
| 02:24.43 | caphuso | it is suitable, by why thrash the disk again if he already has the list of deletable files? |
| 02:24.44 | Delph | a single directory? |
| 02:24.49 | resiak | caphuso: Very true. |
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| 02:25.12 | rixth | furrywolf, I'm not old enough to look at por-nog-ra-phy. To delete all that AlbumArt jpgs that XP puts there |
| 02:25.28 | rixth | Delph, no, many subdirectories |
| 02:25.39 | Delph | ah, right. |
| 02:25.51 | Delph | so we're talking find and rm then... |
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| 02:26.13 | rixth | Delph, indeed. |
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| 02:26.41 | caphuso | it's so easy in zsh... zmodload zsh/files; rm **/*.(#i)jpg(.) |
| 02:26.49 | furrywolf | I just wanted to check, as occasionally advice involving rm is best not followed. :) |
| 02:27.11 | caphuso | furrywolf: i used "echo rm" :) |
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| 02:28.06 | furrywolf | caphuso: I'm more referring to helpful people who say that rm -rf * *.jpg deletes all jpegs. :P |
| 02:28.14 | furrywolf | (don't run that!) |
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| 02:28.28 | caphuso | furrywolf: it does ;-) |
| 02:28.37 | shingouz | furrywolf: as root of course ;) |
| 02:28.38 | grendal_prime | ok can someone correct me if im wrong on this... |
| 02:28.44 | furrywolf | yep, it deletes all jpegs. and everything else, too. :P |
| 02:30.53 | grendal_prime | i need kernel sources installed to compile aplication "whaterver" i have kernel-image 2.6.8.1 so i install kernel-source 2.6.8.1 and untar it to /usr/src/kernel 2.6.8.1 i then make a simlink in the same folder that points to it but is named linux |
| 02:31.02 | bob2 | grendal_prime: no, you don't |
| 02:31.12 | rixth | caphuso, find /media2 -iname "*.jpg" > delete & while read a; do rm "$a"; done < delete did the trick, thanks |
| 02:31.14 | bob2 | any app that requires the kernel source is horribly horribly broken |
| 02:31.20 | bob2 | perhaps you mean kernel headers? |
| 02:31.32 | grendal_prime | well it is cvs |
| 02:31.43 | furrywolf | bob2: the wacom drivers require kernel source... GATOS ati drivers... urmm... |
| 02:31.50 | bob2 | furrywolf: drivers != applications |
| 02:32.01 | bob2 | furrywolf: and they hopefully only need the headers, not the source |
| 02:32.02 | furrywolf | good point. :) |
| 02:32.07 | furrywolf | no, they need the source. |
| 02:32.12 | maher | furrywolf: wacam only needs headers afaik |
| 02:32.14 | bob2 | that's sick |
| 02:32.27 | furrywolf | the wacom drivers are especially ugly, since they replace (not patch, REPLACE) various kernel files. :) |
| 02:32.38 | resiak | bob2: ipw2200 also needs the source. How I love Centrino... |
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| 02:33.01 | jethro | !curse ipw2200 |
| 02:33.02 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ipw2200! |
| 02:33.29 | grendal_prime | ok well...can someone look at this page and tell me what i do need |
| 02:33.45 | maher | grendal_prime: get the kernel headers for your kernel |
| 02:33.45 | furrywolf | the wacom drivers do work though, so I'm not going to bitch about them. |
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| 02:34.00 | furrywolf | all three of my graphics tablets work perfectly, complete with tilt sensitivity, etc. :) |
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| 02:34.26 | grendal_prime | http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/kqemu-doc.html#TOC4 |
| 02:34.34 | faser | hi all |
| 02:34.48 | faser | i have a problem with my sound card |
| 02:34.49 | maher | furrywolf: they work for me and and i din't compiel anything... |
| 02:35.05 | furrywolf | maher: what kernel? |
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| 02:35.29 | faser | i dont understand, i have the module atiixp was charged but i hasnot sound..... |
| 02:35.30 | maher | furrywolf: 2.6.11-1-k7 |
| 02:35.34 | furrywolf | and, of course, what tablet? |
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| 02:36.07 | furrywolf | hrmm. I've never been able to get them to work any way other than their manual installation instructions which are to overwrite the .c files in the kernel with the provided ones and recompile... |
| 02:36.11 | maher | furrywolf: graphire3 |
| 02:36.40 | maher | furrywolf: admittedly i have to plug it in when the usb mouse isn't plugged in and reload the driver |
| 02:36.40 | xelam | faser: is the user in the audio group? |
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| 02:37.07 | faser | atiixp and snd_atiixp was same or not? |
| 02:37.19 | furrywolf | biggest problem I always have is unless I replace the kernel files with the wacom ones, both the mouse AND the wacom driver claim the tablet, so every event is automagically repeated twice, no pressure sensativity, and other useful non-functioning. |
| 02:37.35 | faser | xelam i haven't got audio group |
| 02:37.36 | furrywolf | ah. so you solve it by not using the mouse driver at the same time. :P |
| 02:38.12 | maher | furrywolf: try plugging the wacom tablet in without the mouse in and reloading the wacom driver - workd for me... |
| 02:38.17 | xelam | faser: what debian is this? |
| 02:38.36 | faser | it's sarge |
| 02:38.40 | xelam | well |
| 02:38.41 | maher | furrywolf: i rarely turn on/off my computer so this sin't an issue for me |
| 02:38.49 | xelam | are you sure theres not an audio group in /etc/group |
| 02:38.51 | xelam | ? |
| 02:39.06 | furrywolf | heh. with the full/ugly installation, problems like that don't happen... |
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| 02:39.11 | HotDog | hey |
| 02:39.17 | maher | furrywolf: i was lazy |
| 02:39.22 | xelam | mmm hotdogs |
| 02:39.22 | furrywolf | heh :) |
| 02:39.26 | HotDog | question about bind : how can I see how much cached domain name is there? |
| 02:39.28 | xelam | 03:06:25 < kuja> php-bot: tell piratepete about pastebin |
| 02:39.34 | xelam | erm |
| 02:39.36 | xelam | no |
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| 02:39.43 | xelam | silly putty |
| 02:40.11 | HotDog | is there any ways of knowing that? |
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| 02:40.37 | furrywolf | I've got my mouse and 4x5, 6x8, and 9x12 usb intuos tablets connected... no driver reloading needed. :) |
| 02:40.39 | furrywolf | brb, drink |
| 02:40.41 | faser | xelam i have edit /etc/group and they are this line "audio:x:29:fas3r |
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| 02:41.17 | xelam | then you do have an audio group. have you logged off/on since joining it? |
| 02:41.25 | xelam | have you tried audio as root? |
| 02:41.43 | faser | xelam no i dont know |
| 02:41.46 | HotDog | Is there any apps showing which DNS entries are cached on bind? |
| 02:41.59 | flankk | 'Due to patent licensing, and conflicts between such patent licenses and the licenses of application source code, MPEG-1/2 audio layer 3 (mp3) support has been removed from applications in Red Hat Linux such as XMMS and noatun. Red Hat suggests the use of Ogg Vorbis, an open, non-proprietary, patent-and-royalty-free compressed audio format.' |
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| 02:42.06 | flankk | AHAHAHA |
| 02:42.10 | resiak | flankk: Your point being? |
| 02:42.49 | flankk | resiak, ogg vorbis was a flop. mp3 is everywhere. you don't see humor? |
| 02:43.03 | maher | flankk: ogg gives better sound quality/per size - i use it - how is it a flop? |
| 02:43.06 | sanxiyn | flankk: I don't see any. |
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| 02:43.21 | resiak | flankk: will@talkie[~/Media/Music]% find . | grep 'ogg$' | wc -l |
| 02:43.23 | resiak | flankk: 935 |
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| 02:43.34 | resiak | (Yes, my find-fu is weak.) |
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| 02:44.01 | sanxiyn | resiak: find . -name '*.ogg' |
| 02:44.04 | furrywolf | $ cat mp3list_s.txt | wc -l |
| 02:44.04 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.05 | furrywolf | :) |
| 02:44.05 | resiak | sanxiyn: I know :) |
| 02:44.10 | mohohaha | thanks for help, you newbies |
| 02:44.15 | flankk | ahaha |
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| 02:44.26 | sanxiyn | flankk: Well, there are many mp3/ogg players. |
| 02:44.31 | resiak | sanxiyn: Three. |
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| 02:44.39 | sanxiyn | Hm. |
| 02:45.16 | Phated | Enough, anyway. |
| 02:45.36 | resiak | Phated: Didja get your Rio Karma yet? |
| 02:45.37 | sanxiyn | resiak: Certainly more than 3. |
| 02:45.39 | flankk | resiak, if you think ogg was a hit compared to mp3, you are living in a cloud. anyways, i am willing to use it, do you suggest any oss mp3 to ogg converters? |
| 02:45.46 | Phated | resiak: I'm waiting for teh moneh. |
| 02:45.51 | CyL | When I try to compile my kernel, I get an error message that says the make script was unable to find qt installation |
| 02:45.55 | resiak | flankk: I don't think it's a hit. I still use it. |
| 02:45.56 | furrywolf | recoding mp3 to ogg is just going to cost you quality. |
| 02:45.58 | resiak | sanxiyn: *shrug* |
| 02:46.02 | maher | flankk: so more people use mp3s - so what? |
| 02:46.02 | CyL | What is going wrong? |
| 02:46.10 | Phated | No one says you have to recode it. I use both mp3 and ogg. |
| 02:46.19 | maher | flankk: more people ise windows than linux... |
| 02:46.35 | flankk | maher, that does play a part.. |
| 02:46.45 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. Just keep your mp3s and encode everything new in ogg. |
| 02:46.57 | maher | flankk: its irrelevant to ogg/mp3 - there are oggplayers for windows |
| 02:46.57 | resiak | flankk: I'm not advocating converting all your mp3s to ogg. That will sound lame. But try ripping your music as Vorbis, and you won't be disappointed. At the very least, you're supporting patent-free formats! |
| 02:47.06 | furrywolf | I've yet to ever see an album in ogg format, and since I'm not going to recode them (with associated loss of quality), mp3 is all I have... |
| 02:47.21 | HotDog | No one knows? |
| 02:47.28 | resiak | HotDog: Knows what? |
| 02:47.35 | resiak | HotDog: man bind |
| 02:47.53 | flankk | 'an album in ogg format' ... geh. i have yet to see an _album_ recorded in mp3 either. that was weak. |
| 02:47.53 | sanxiyn | resiak: Won't work. |
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| 02:48.02 | resiak | sanxiyn: ? |
| 02:48.02 | sanxiyn | resiak: bind is a socket function. |
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| 02:48.16 | resiak | sanxiyn: Oh, I thought he meant bind the DNS server. |
| 02:48.19 | furrywolf | flankk: you haven't? must not download much music then. :P |
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| 02:48.28 | sanxiyn | resiak: Yes, and man bind won't show bind's manpage... |
| 02:48.31 | sanxiyn | Try named or ndc. |
| 02:48.36 | resiak | sanxiyn: Ah, yes, of course. |
| 02:48.44 | Phated | Nothing is ever RECORDED in mp3. It can be RIPPED in either Vorbis or mp3. <shrug> |
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| 02:49.13 | furrywolf | ok, so you're arguing terminology. I've never seen an album RIPPED in vorbis. happy? :) |
| 02:49.17 | grendal_prime | maher, i keep getting errors about includes |
| 02:49.21 | resiak | --- This is the line ruled under the endless format debate. --- |
| 02:49.31 | maher | grendal_prime: what are you building |
| 02:49.31 | flankk | yeh, I must say you are arguing terminoligy, Phated. |
| 02:49.50 | Phated | Yeh, I mist also say that your point bears no credit. |
| 02:49.55 | flankk | terminology sheesh |
| 02:49.57 | resiak | flankk, furrywolf: Want the results of find ~/Media/Music/Albums ? |
| 02:50.02 | Phated | must* |
| 02:50.16 | flankk | want mine? all mp3's |
| 02:50.21 | CyL | When I try to make xconfig, the script nags saying it did not fint QT package... with menuconfig, everything goes oka... any ideas? |
| 02:50.27 | sanxiyn | flankk: Your point is...? |
| 02:50.28 | resiak | flankk: WOW! I'M SO HAPPY FOR YOU!!!!ONEONE |
| 02:50.34 | resiak | !faq CyL |
| 02:50.35 | dpkg | CyL: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:50.52 | flankk | resiak, i could say the same for you offering a list of ogg. silence. |
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| 02:51.03 | abrotman | why are you all being so silly? |
| 02:51.05 | Phated | Would someone, perhaps, like to explain, WHY, precisely, mp3 support (or lack thereof) in RED FUCKING HAT is being discussed here? |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | can't we all just get along ? |
| 02:51.11 | furrywolf | phated: and how's that? my point is virtually all available music is in mp3 format. a very valid point would be that transcoding music introduces a loss of quality. how do these points bear no credit? |
| 02:51.28 | flankk | resiak flankk: will@talkie[~/Media/Music]% find . | grep 'ogg$' | wc -l |
| 02:51.28 | flankk | resiak flankk: 935 |
| 02:51.36 | flankk | uh huh |
| 02:51.37 | scarynetworkguy | furrywolf: WTF do you mean all available music is in MP3? |
| 02:51.45 | Phated | furrywolf: I wasn't addressing you. As I've said. I use both formats. When I rip my own music, I rip into Ogg. If I download and it's in mp3, so be it. |
| 02:51.51 | CyL | resiak<=- thanks |
| 02:52.06 | resiak | CyL: No problem. Happy kernel building. May I ask why you're rolling your own? |
| 02:52.16 | furrywolf | scarynetworkguy: you've ever seen music available as anything else? whoops, I forgot. I once saw one album in .wma format. |
| 02:52.19 | sanxiyn | flankk: No, resiak has some points because you claimed that you've never seen an album ripped in Vorbis. |
| 02:52.42 | scarynetworkguy | furrywolf: I've seen/gotten much music in ogg. Yes. |
| 02:52.42 | sanxiyn | Oh, perhaps that should go to furrywolf... |
| 02:53.25 | furrywolf | scary: and where would this site be? I always need more music, and am more than happy to use vorbis if I see it. I just never see it. :P |
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| 02:53.56 | CyL | resiak<=- cause I want to patch a driver for soousb device I have.... |
| 02:54.05 | CyL | s/soousb/foousb |
| 02:54.06 | flankk | sanxiyn, resiak is arguing, i brought up a point about ogg. i have always heard of vorb being a flop, you people think differently. i think a simple music search on _any_ filesharing network would give you a better clue.. not to say ogg isn't 'better' because of no patents, etc. |
| 02:54.07 | sanxiyn | furrywolf: bugs.co.kr, the biggest music site in Korea uses Ogg. Thanks. |
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| 02:54.24 | flankk | but still a flop. |
| 02:54.28 | maher | furrywolf: http://www.allofmp3.com/ <-- you can dl as ogg |
| 02:54.28 | sanxiyn | Huh? |
| 02:54.30 | resiak | CyL: Sure. |
| 02:54.41 | buhb0 | hey for exim4 to work, should i configure my firewall to use it as a pop3 or smtp ? |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | Danar: what about it ? |
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| 02:55.00 | abrotman | !guidelines |
| 02:55.00 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't repeat questions. Read and grow; show growth in new questions. 3) Reading technical documentation is a skill, please persevere, it's worth it. 4) If your problem isn't solved, come back a few hours or days later. 5) Please use /msg to talk to the bots. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood, not here. 8) Don't run scripts or use public away/back. 9) No trolls or spam. 10) see <msg> |
| 02:55.26 | furrywolf | bugs.co.kr appears to be in, as a guess, korean. I don't see an english link. this is not very useful to me. :) |
| 02:55.40 | sanxiyn | furrywolf: Well, sorry :-) But it's enough for me. |
| 02:55.45 | CyL | resiak<=- it is not every day someone is in the mook to answer 1300 questions to a machine... let me do it now, or I guess I'll never do it |
| 02:55.54 | CyL | s/mook/mood |
| 02:55.56 | Danar | i wrote in a pm for a reason |
| 02:56.05 | abrotman | Danar: but you didn't ask my permission |
| 02:56.12 | maher | furrywolf: the site i gave was in english |
| 02:56.28 | Danar | shouldn't need to |
| 02:56.31 | resiak | CyL: Absolutely. I rolled myself a bootsplash kernel today. It made me happy :) |
| 02:56.32 | lunaphyte | anyone need batteries? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3240&item=7510656530&rd=1 |
| 02:56.38 | abrotman | Danar: yes .. you should |
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| 02:56.46 | resiak | Danar: It's only polite to ask. |
| 02:56.46 | abrotman | Danar: call it common courtesy |
| 02:57.23 | Danar | how is it in any way rude? |
| 02:57.39 | simonrvn | go read a netiquette guide |
| 02:57.54 | scarynetworkguy | !topicmsite Danar |
| 02:57.58 | sanxiyn | Danar: It is rude because many people think it rude. |
| 02:57.58 | furrywolf | maher: except I can't seem to figure out how to download from it. |
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| 02:58.12 | Danar | i understand there are some who don't like pms, but i don't see how it's rude |
| 02:58.21 | simonrvn | go read a netiquette guide |
| 02:58.31 | resiak | Danar: Because /msging someone or addressing them directly highlights them, which normally flashes the window, which distracts them from whatever else they're doing. |
| 02:58.41 | resiak | Danar: So if it's uninvited, it's irritating. |
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| 02:58.59 | maher | furrywolf: you need to register and pay them |
| 02:59.02 | furrywolf | maher: "this type of technology is very costly, so we must charge" so the site is worthless. I can't even afford bills, much less music. |
| 02:59.13 | pandeng82 | how to install ATI9600 driver on laptop |
| 02:59.19 | maher | furrywolf: the tech is very cheap - they make loads of money |
| 02:59.23 | abrotman | pandeng82: with debian ? |
| 02:59.29 | pandeng82 | yes |
| 02:59.36 | Danar | simonrvn: resiak's answer was much better. |
| 02:59.40 | pandeng82 | 2.6.11 |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | !tell pandeng82 about ati |
| 02:59.48 | simonrvn | see if i care :) |
| 02:59.56 | flankk | resiak, I'd have to agree with Danar, i believe a lot of people think it's rude not just because it's 'uninviting' but because they themselves like to lash out on random people :) |
| 02:59.58 | maher | furrywolf: you didn't specify a free dl site |
| 03:00.17 | EvilSporkMan | if i chown/chmod/chgrp files in /dev, will the changes be permanent? |
| 03:00.21 | abrotman | flankk: do you also like spam and telemarketers? |
| 03:00.24 | pandeng82 | ? |
| 03:00.35 | abrotman | pandeng82: /msg dpkg ati |
| 03:00.36 | resiak | flankk: *shrug* I answered for myself. I think it's rude for someone I don't know to distract me from my work. |
| 03:00.37 | flankk | abrotman, do i care? i hangup and delete. |
| 03:00.40 | furrywolf | maher: if you have enough money to spend on music, perhaps you should donate it to charity or something else useful. |
| 03:00.40 | Danar | now, "buzzing" people on yahoo, that's rude. but a simple PM window on irc is nothing |
| 03:00.55 | abrotman | flankk: and when someone /msg's me without perm .. i close the window .. same deal |
| 03:00.56 | Danar | you can ignore it until you're ready to read it easily enough |
| 03:01.00 | maher | furrywolf: i have loads of money - some i spend on music some i donate to charity... |
| 03:01.15 | sanxiyn | Hail telemarketers. |
| 03:01.22 | maher | furrywolf: why shouldn't you spend money on music? musicians need to eat too |
| 03:01.27 | pandeng82 | 3x |
| 03:01.36 | flankk | abrotman, frankly i've never liked your attitude, abrotman. and i never said i liked uninvited pm's. it just doesn't bother me. i will hardly lash out on someone who simply would like to talk to me in private. |
| 03:01.47 | sanxiyn | maher: Well, someone just doesn't want to... |
| 03:01.48 | abrotman | flankk: frankly .. i don't care if you like my attitude |
| 03:01.49 | furrywolf | good for you. I have $4. my next paycheck won't be until march 25th, and will be about $500, if I'm lucky. |
| 03:01.56 | flankk | abrotman, that's what i mean. |
| 03:02.02 | furrywolf | s/march/may |
| 03:02.04 | abrotman | flankk: aren't you also hogballs ? |
| 03:02.11 | Danar | ok, so now that we've established that there's some anal people in here... lets move on |
| 03:02.27 | sanxiyn | :-) |
| 03:02.33 | abrotman | guess not |
| 03:02.36 | furrywolf | installing directv == really, really crappy job, with pay about 1/10th minimum wage. |
| 03:02.49 | maher | furrywolf: you could get a job instead of hanging ot on irc :) |
| 03:02.50 | flankk | abrotman, pardon? |
| 03:02.54 | abrotman | flankk: i honestly don't know who you are .. so whether or not you like my attitude will not affect my life |
| 03:03.02 | furrywolf | I refuse to believe that directv installers shouldn't be allowed to listen to music. |
| 03:03.09 | abrotman | flankk: i thought you were hogballs .. another person that comes here sometimes |
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| 03:03.24 | green_earz | furrywolf: check out the link freebies http://www.mininova.org/ |
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| 03:03.27 | flankk | abrotman, you attitude actually does affect your life in a big way. |
| 03:03.29 | abrotman | hasn't been here in a few days .. thought maybe you were him |
| 03:03.37 | sanxiyn | furrywolf: Well, I can agree that finding MP3 on P2P network can be easier than finding Ogg, yes. |
| 03:03.45 | pandeng82 | j help |
| 03:03.46 | sanxiyn | furrywolf: Any more points to make? |
| 03:03.51 | abrotman | flankk: hopefully it does .. and someday i will be shot for my poor attitude .. won't that be great? |
| 03:03.57 | flankk | abrotman, only name i've ever used is flankk ;P |
| 03:04.03 | furrywolf | green_earz: and, in the subject that started this, I'm willing to bet most all their (mininova's) albums are in mp3 format. :) |
| 03:04.12 | abrotman | then we can all have a big party because the big asshole abrotman is dead .. yay :) |
| 03:04.33 | green_earz | furrywolf: yes but they are free |
| 03:04.34 | gyges | is it true? |
| 03:04.35 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm sooo drunk... |
| 03:04.40 | abrotman | dan2: you're 15 |
| 03:04.43 | gyges | i heard that asshole abrotman was dead |
| 03:04.48 | simonrvn | and ignored |
| 03:04.50 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:04.50 | dan2 | yay |
| 03:04.57 | abrotman | simonrvn: i'm ignored? |
| 03:05.02 | simonrvn | no |
| 03:05.19 | sanxiyn | Too bad I am not likely to attend the party celebrating abrotman's death due to his asshole attitude :( |
| 03:05.20 | abrotman | simonrvn: that would have been quite pointless if i were :) |
| 03:05.30 | dan2 | abrotman: passover... I made sure I got to my 5 glasses of wine... |
| 03:05.33 | abrotman | sanxiyn: oh .. you sure? |
| 03:05.35 | simonrvn | abrotman: my timing was a bit off ;) |
| 03:05.40 | abrotman | dan2: oh yeah .. that was tonight |
| 03:05.43 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Not many people here in Korea... |
| 03:05.44 | bob2 | you're 13 and drinking 5 glasses of wine? |
| 03:05.50 | sanxiyn | I can attend the online one though. |
| 03:05.53 | abrotman | sanxiyn: you and guerin can party! |
| 03:05.55 | dan2 | 15 |
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| 03:05.59 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Yay! |
| 03:06.01 | abrotman | bob2: jewish people get the kids drunk |
| 03:06.12 | abrotman | bob2: don't ask me why .. but ti seems to be the custom :) |
| 03:06.22 | dan2 | abrotman: family custom |
| 03:06.23 | abrotman | bob2: i honestly think it's so they sleep all night |
| 03:06.27 | furrywolf | abrotman: makes them go to bed. :P |
| 03:06.36 | bob2 | man |
| 03:06.42 | bob2 | I could have drunk cooper's green all night |
| 03:06.42 | Guerin | going back into insadong soon for noodles |
| 03:06.43 | bob2 | for free |
| 03:06.43 | Danar | Guerin: can i pm you for a sec? |
| 03:06.45 | bob2 | on hp's dime |
| 03:06.49 | bob2 | but I was too sick |
| 03:06.54 | abrotman | doh! |
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| 03:06.58 | Guerin | bob2: :( |
| 03:07.03 | abrotman | dan2: guess you didn't drive home eh? |
| 03:07.06 | Guerin | Danar: why? |
| 03:07.09 | dan2 | abrotman: nah |
| 03:07.26 | Danar | Guerin: i'd like to ask a favor |
| 03:07.38 | abrotman | Danar: see .. works better when you ask first :) |
| 03:07.41 | Guerin | Danar: I've just woken up from two nights and a day's hard drinking, I'm perhaps not the best person to ask for advice |
| 03:07.51 | Danar | Guerin: not advice |
| 03:07.57 | a_monkey | Eterm text always seems to have these shadows |
| 03:07.57 | Guerin | Danar: is this some sort of social engineering scheme? |
| 03:07.57 | Danar | though i'll keep that in mind ;) |
| 03:08.02 | a_monkey | how do i disable them? |
| 03:08.04 | abrotman | !beer Guerin |
| 03:08.06 | bob2 | a_monkey: #e |
| 03:08.07 | Danar | nope, lol |
| 03:08.10 | bob2 | a_monkey: also, that's a theme issue |
| 03:08.24 | a_monkey | bob2: ah |
| 03:08.43 | maher | Guerin: you went to the pub? |
| 03:08.43 | Guerin | while standing in the Computer Security section of a bookshop, wyb |
| 03:08.43 | Danar | 'pocket-lightning'? |
| 03:08.51 | Guerin | maher: i went to the Seoul |
| 03:08.51 | abrotman | lightening |
| 03:08.52 | Danar | oh, lightening |
| 03:09.00 | abrotman | as in .. something got out of his pocket |
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| 03:09.07 | Danar | abrotman: ^ |
| 03:09.10 | xelam | lightning |
| 03:09.15 | abrotman | hopefully not his family jewels :) |
| 03:09.15 | xelam | oh |
| 03:09.22 | xelam | money removal :| |
| 03:09.24 | bob2 | as in his pockets were swiftly made lighter |
| 03:09.37 | Guerin | no, just some money which almost certainly end up anyuwhere near cambodian landmine victims |
| 03:09.39 | markmrd | anyone know how to refresh the USB subsystem so that if I have a USB card reader already plugged in then insert the SD memory into the reader I can force the Kernel to update it's list of connected devices? |
| 03:09.47 | sanxiyn | OT: http://family.caltech.edu/ FamilyJewels: Tools for Comparative Sequence Analysis |
| 03:09.55 | Guerin | eh, almost certainly WILL NOT |
| 03:10.04 | kaplanfx | markmrd: just mount it |
| 03:10.08 | bob2 | haha ##LINUXHELP |
| 03:10.10 | poli | Guerin, don't you care about land mines victims??? ;) |
| 03:10.14 | maher | Guerin: send money to landmines.org - that goes to land mine removal |
| 03:10.17 | bob2 | markmrd: that won't be a usb thing, it'd be a scsi thing |
| 03:10.28 | bob2 | markmrd: if it's possible, the tools in scsitools would do it |
| 03:10.49 | abrotman | bob2: is that in addition to ##linux ? |
| 03:10.54 | resiak | ##debian! |
| 03:10.59 | Guerin | poli: sure I do. So much that I usually only give any sort of help to real, bona fide aid groups, not random idiots with a photo and a money bag |
| 03:11.10 | abrotman | i'm going to +debian .. it's just half of #debian |
| 03:11.10 | kaplanfx | markmrd: the sd card is not a device per say, its a filesystem and as such can be mounted where you please |
| 03:11.36 | poli | Guerin, good soul... :) |
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| 03:12.03 | benjamindees | abrotman, don't you mean #ubuntu ? |
| 03:12.05 | markmrd | problem is when I insert the SD memory after the USB reader is plugged in Linux does not detect the change, no /dev/sda1 file is created |
| 03:12.13 | poli | Guerin, I was teaching some students that kind of social engineering this week... :) |
| 03:12.16 | abrotman | i don't know anything about ubuntu |
| 03:12.37 | _joey | a good distro cannot have such a name:) |
| 03:12.49 | resiak | Ubuntu! Ubuntu! They drink it in the Congo |
| 03:12.49 | resiak | ! |
| 03:12.51 | Guerin | _joey: why not? |
| 03:13.15 | _joey | it's only a joke |
| 03:13.19 | resiak | Hey, it's the Um Bongo song! |
| 03:13.23 | bob2 | lovely |
| 03:13.28 | Guerin | suuuure it is, buddy |
| 03:13.42 | bob2 | for something to be a joke, it has to be funny |
| 03:13.44 | poli | I am holding on a 1-800 call for 18 minutes... but I am sure I am special, so I will just keep on holding... i believe. |
| 03:13.53 | bob2 | just being abusive/demeaning doesn't make something a "joke" |
| 03:13.53 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:14.14 | maher | bob2: not necessarily: what goes ha ha ha bonk? a man laughing his head off - unfunny but clearly a joke |
| 03:14.16 | resiak | Bah. You have not heard the ridiculousness of the Um Bongo song, and why it's therefore funny that Ubuntu scans perfectly. |
| 03:14.33 | _joey | where have I been abusive? |
| 03:14.41 | resiak | _joey: I think they're talking about me. |
| 03:14.43 | sanxiyn | abrotman: re "I don't know anything about Ubuntu" |
| 03:14.48 | bob2 | anyway |
| 03:14.51 | abrotman | what was that? |
| 03:14.51 | bob2 | back on topic |
| 03:14.56 | abrotman | i don't |
| 03:14.57 | bob2 | how about that Debian thing? |
| 03:14.59 | sanxiyn | Confucius said: "Yu, shall I teach you about knowledge? What you know, you know, what you don't know, you don't know. This is knowledge." [Analects 2:17] |
| 03:14.59 | abrotman | i've never used it ? |
| 03:15.08 | Guerin | hah, like that's on-topic |
| 03:15.26 | sanxiyn | Or, å曰：「由ã€èª¨å¥³çŸ¥ä¹‹ä¹Žã€‚ 知之爲知之, ä¸çŸ¥çˆ²ä¸çŸ¥, 是知也。〠|
| 03:15.27 | abrotman | bob2: i've heard of that .. it's like gentoo .. but less compiling |
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| 03:15.39 | bob2 | sanxiyn: ascii please |
| 03:15.47 | sanxiyn | bob2: UTF-8. |
| 03:15.59 | bob2 | well, whatever |
| 03:16.47 | sanxiyn | Well, I love Analects of Confucius, but I understand it's off-topic here. I aplogise. |
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| 03:20.43 | markmrd | bob2: kaplanfx: I ran scsi-spin -d /dev/sda then scsi-spin -u /dev/sda and the memory card was found at /dev/sda1 -> sweet I have been trying to do this for over a day now - thanks guys |
| 03:20.44 | Neverm1nd | if I just type cat in the console what happens, or at least how do I got back to the console. sorry Im and uber newbie to any linux console commands |
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| 03:21.14 | sanxiyn | Neverm1nd: Ctrl-D. |
| 03:21.29 | Neverm1nd | thx |
| 03:21.37 | Neverm1nd | that helped |
| 03:22.08 | faser | if i want to compil a new kernel and i use sarge , i take the testing kernel http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ |
| 03:22.13 | faser | ????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 03:22.27 | rking | i have a machine that is properly invoking its NIC's kernel module, lights are blinking on the terminal on the PC, this NIC/PC have worked in the past, and the wire/hub terminal are working (i just tested them)... any idea how to debug this problem? |
| 03:22.28 | Guerin | !wayc faser |
| 03:22.28 | dpkg | faser: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 03:22.37 | markmrd | sanxiyn: what is the difference between Ctrl-D and Ctrl-C ? |
| 03:22.52 | faser | yes but i want to use the new |
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| 03:23.03 | Guerin | !tell faser about kp |
| 03:23.04 | kaplanfx | markmrd: right, you shouldn't even need to do that, you can probably just mount it |
| 03:23.10 | faser | i have the 2.4.27 i think |
| 03:23.19 | doublehp | markmrd: c -> stop actual programm, D -> logout |
| 03:23.28 | rking | Ctrl+D just inserts the "End of File" character, which cat interprets as exit. Ctrl+C sends SIGINT, which cat interprets as exit. |
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| 03:23.35 | kaplanfx | i.e. mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/card (assuming /mnt/card exists) |
| 03:23.40 | vile_maxim | faser, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 03:23.53 | markmrd | doublehp: interesting does Ctrl-D work for most things, I have always used Ctrl-C |
| 03:23.57 | vile_maxim | faser, there are already kernel pacakges fopr 2.6 in sarge |
| 03:23.57 | rking | if you send "End of File" (Ctrl+D) to your shell, you're telling it that you're done |
| 03:24.08 | doublehp | markmrd: I have also noticed that when ^C does not work, ^Z is usually more efficient |
| 03:24.16 | sanxiyn | rking: Not in zsh, IIRC. |
| 03:24.19 | rking | markmrd: in things that take input, usually. |
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| 03:24.31 | kaplanfx | doublehp: that only backgrounds a process, doesn't kill it |
| 03:24.33 | vile_maxim | faser, if you stick with sarge... when it's released... you will get security updates... which are handy |
| 03:24.39 | markmrd | kaplanfx - trouble was before I was only seeing /dev/sda which I couldn't mount, /dev/sda1 is what I need to mount but I was not getting that file if I plugged in the SD memory after I had plugged in the USB reader |
| 03:24.42 | faser | vile_maxim if i take kernel-image 2.6.11 (image) i make apt-get remove kernel-image 2.4.... before? |
| 03:24.51 | vile_maxim | no |
| 03:24.57 | kaplanfx | markmrd: weird, I can just insert a card and mount it |
| 03:24.58 | rking | sanxiyn: definitely in zsh - it's my favorite shell, and i /hate/ not being able to type ^D. Most shells have a "Disable EOF logout" deal, and I can't stand it set that way - too durn slow |
| 03:25.06 | doublehp | kaplanfx: oups .... |
| 03:25.07 | kaplanfx | markmrd: did you build your own kernel? |
| 03:25.08 | CyL | resiak<=- What kind of features does the debian patch provide for the kernel? (is a build a kernel w/o debian tweaking, will it run properly?) |
| 03:25.12 | vile_maxim | faser, it will allow you to use ether at boot with grub or lilo |
| 03:25.16 | CyL | s/is/if |
| 03:25.28 | doublehp | kaplanfx: markmrd maybe it was not ^z but ^x ? |
| 03:25.39 | sanxiyn | rking: Eh, perhaps I have EOF logout diabled. :-) |
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| 03:25.51 | vile_maxim | faser, it's always nice to have a known good kernel anyway. |
| 03:25.53 | markmrd | kaplanfs: yes, if I plug in the reader with the SD inside it then /dev/sda1 appear automatically |
| 03:26.04 | doublehp | sanxiyn: to get logout work, you need to have a blank line .... |
| 03:26.14 | faser | ha ok if i make some error in compiling |
| 03:26.14 | doublehp | sanxiyn: use ^c to clear actual line .. |
| 03:26.20 | sanxiyn | doublehp: ? |
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| 03:26.27 | markmrd | doublehp: thanks, learn something new all the time in the channel |
| 03:26.28 | rking | sanxiyn: "IGNOREEOF" |
| 03:26.28 | kaplanfx | markmrd: hmm, you probably want to enable the option probe all LUN's for scsi devices |
| 03:26.36 | kaplanfx | in the kernel config |
| 03:26.42 | CyL | What kind of features does the debian patch provide for the kernel? (If I build a kernel w/o debian tweaking, will it run properly?) |
| 03:26.49 | markmrd | kaplanfx: what is a LUN? |
| 03:27.01 | mwilson | "the Debian patch"? |
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| 03:27.08 | kaplanfx | markmrd: logical unit number |
| 03:27.17 | CyL | mwilson<=- the -bf-something thing... |
| 03:27.19 | sanxiyn | rking: Yes, I have setopt ignoreeof. |
| 03:27.31 | sanxiyn | rking: Well, I am fine with that :-) |
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| 03:27.33 | kaplanfx | markmrd: im not sure exactly, but it has something to do with assigning devices on a scsi node |
| 03:27.36 | vile_maxim | faser, well... the apt-get kernbel is a binary... but problems still can happen |
| 03:27.41 | EvilSporkMan | I need the nforce chipset drivers and only the nforce chipset drivers for integrated features like IDE, network, audio, etc when compiling my own kernel, right? (I have an nforce3 250 Gb based motherboard, the Abit NF8) |
| 03:27.43 | mwilson | CyL: Where did you get the idea that was some sort of particular patch? |
| 03:27.46 | CyL | mwilson<=- The debian that comes with sarge is patched, right? |
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| 03:28.05 | kaplanfx | markmrd: your card reader is a multi-card reader, or just an sd card reader? |
| 03:28.12 | rking | sanxiyn: well, i like to quickly create shells (screen's ^Ac), then do whatever, and clean up (^D) unless i have a good reason to save the shell. |
| 03:28.14 | CyL | mwilson<=- The kernel installed with debian is the same found in kernel.org? W/o any difference? |
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| 03:28.34 | kaplanfx | CyL: nah its got some debian specific patches |
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| 03:28.36 | markmrd | kaplanfx: just looked that option is compiled into my kernel. I am guessing that different USB card readers behave differently. I have a USB memory stick that won't even get recognised when I plug it in, but works fine in windows, pretty annoying |
| 03:28.44 | vile_maxim | CyL, no... it's mopdified |
| 03:28.51 | abrotman | CyL: check the changelog |
| 03:28.55 | kaplanfx | markmrd: you can almost certainly get it to work |
| 03:28.57 | xoz | CyL: check the changelogs |
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| 03:29.08 | kaplanfx | markmrd: it may be a kernel config issue |
| 03:29.13 | markmrd | kaplanfx: it is a SanDisk ImageMate 5 in 1 reader |
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| 03:29.25 | kaplanfx | markmrd: yeah you want probe all luns for sure |
| 03:29.27 | CyL | kaplanfx, vile_maxim abrotman xoz If I build a kernel w/o these differences, will it run properly in sarge? |
| 03:29.37 | markmrd | kaplanfx: when I insert the USB memory stick it says "Unable to read configuration file" |
| 03:29.38 | vile_maxim | CyL, all docs for all packages are kept in /usr/share/doc/packagename there will be a changelog that will tell you want was changed from upstream |
| 03:29.42 | abrotman | CyL: if you do it right |
| 03:29.42 | kaplanfx | CyL: it should |
| 03:29.51 | vile_maxim | CyL, yeah.. it should |
| 03:29.53 | mwilson | CyL: There's nothing significant in it. |
| 03:29.56 | xoz | CyL: it works for me |
| 03:30.04 | kaplanfx | markmrd: how is the fs on it formated? |
| 03:30.27 | markmrd | kaplanfx: you could be right though maybe I messed up my kernel, I am going to try this stuff on a build of Sarge later |
| 03:30.29 | vile_maxim | CyL, though once you leave Debian, you will not get security updates |
| 03:30.29 | kaplanfx | markmrd: have you looked at dmesg after you plug it in, to see whats going on with its detection? |
| 03:30.36 | CyL | vile_maxim, abrotman, kaplanfx, vile_maxim, mwilson, oz Thanks for the help... Please, ignore my ignorance ;)... |
| 03:30.50 | vile_maxim | CyL, got to start somewhere |
| 03:31.00 | markmrd | kaplanfx: that message comes from dmesg output, it is formated at Fat16 I believe |
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| 03:31.17 | kaplanfx | markmrd: weird |
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| 03:31.30 | vile_maxim | CyL, not that if you are building your own kernel you are starting... but you know that I mean |
| 03:31.31 | kaplanfx | markmrd: I've never met a usb key I couldn't mount |
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| 03:31.46 | rking | my network is working now. w to the 0 to the 0 to the teeee. |
| 03:31.59 | markmrd | kaplanfx: all I can guess is that the makers didn't conform to the USB mass storage standard precisely and windows is being a bit more leniant |
| 03:32.07 | CyL | vile_maxim<=- I sure do... |
| 03:32.07 | vile_maxim | rking, welcome to the club :/ ??? |
| 03:32.28 | kaplanfx | markmrd: well yes, if its not USB mass storage complaint you are sol (unless there is another driver for it of course) |
| 03:32.44 | rking | vile_maxi: so, tell me about this www i've heard so much about. |
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| 03:33.07 | rking | somebody hit me with a question |
| 03:33.08 | benjamindees | some usb sticks require extended scsi something or another in the kernel... |
| 03:33.14 | vile_maxim | rking, the internet is a place where nothing happens -Stongbad |
| 03:33.22 | rking | oh |
| 03:33.35 | markmrd | kaplanfx: it is some nondescript device I don't even know who makes it, no writing on the outside. Thanks for all the help. |
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| 03:33.54 | poli | rking, if someone travels very close to light speed, say .99c, what happens to time, according to Einstein's Relativity? |
| 03:34.00 | rking | hey, you know how some of the output of the bootup process doesn't make it to dmesg? is there any way to get to it? |
| 03:34.06 | deckrider | is ntfs in debian/sarge kernel 2.6.8 stable enough to use for read/write ? |
| 03:34.16 | rking | poli: approaches zero |
| 03:34.23 | vile_maxim | deckrider, no |
| 03:34.36 | rking | deckrider: it says that you can write to files as long as you don't change their length |
| 03:34.41 | vile_maxim | deckrider, you can try captice-ntfs... but even that is flacky |
| 03:34.54 | rking | apparently ntfs is some goat-crazy format... we've been waiting for support for years |
| 03:34.57 | sanxiyn | s/captice/captive/ |
| 03:35.02 | poli | rking, need another question? :) |
| 03:35.08 | vile_maxim | sanxiyn, tanks |
| 03:35.08 | rking | poli yep |
| 03:35.20 | deckrider | thanks vile_maxim and rking |
| 03:35.23 | rking | poli: although that itself was a question, i am still unsatiated |
| 03:35.50 | deckrider | rking: by the way, why can I read more about this "not changing the length"? |
| 03:35.59 | deckrider | s/why/where/g |
| 03:36.00 | rking | deckrider: i saw it in the kernel module help |
| 03:36.11 | deckrider | cool, thanks |
| 03:36.23 | vile_maxim | deckrider, captive-ntfs works ok... unless you are using a lot of reads and writes... i.e. virus scanning from a live cd |
| 03:36.52 | deckrider | mostly this is for a friend who is dual booting between xp and debian/sarge |
| 03:37.35 | rking | deckrider: make a "neutral zone" partition in a format both can handle. fat32 is fine |
| 03:37.44 | vile_maxim | deckrider, cative would probably ok in that setting, but you might need to unmount and remount sometimes... or at least that's my experience |
| 03:37.55 | deckrider | rking: that sounds like the safest option |
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| 03:38.17 | poli | deckrider, just remember that FAT has no ownership and permissions and you will be fine |
| 03:38.25 | rking | good point |
| 03:38.26 | deckrider | right |
| 03:38.37 | deckrider | thanks poli, vile_maxim, and rking |
| 03:39.06 | deckrider | have a good evening |
| 03:39.24 | rking | poli, you just /barely/ got yourself added to that thanks list. don't let it go to your head |
| 03:39.52 | vile_maxim | my ego will never be the same |
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| 03:40.39 | poli | rking, small but important contributions... ;) |
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| 03:44.41 | poli | Damn! Why don't they leave finger enabled on shared hosts? I miss the good old everyone-has-fingers times... |
| 03:44.52 | rking | yeah |
| 03:45.12 | rking | just explore their home directories, you'll get an idea of who they are |
| 03:46.55 | PumpkinPie | poli: who are all these users you have ? |
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| 03:47.26 | PumpkinPie | is there any business I can buy off someone in here |
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| 03:47.37 | rking | business? |
| 03:47.59 | PumpkinPie | rking: ? |
| 03:48.04 | PumpkinPie | rking: its a word |
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| 03:48.19 | poli | How can someone provide you 5GB of space, 110GB/month transference, PHP, mysql etc. etc. etc. for 3.95/month? |
| 03:48.22 | rking | PumpkinPi: but what kind of business? how can it be sold? |
| 03:48.47 | poli | PumpkinPie, I am exploring my fellow server389 companions... ;) |
| 03:48.49 | Nemesis__ | A bit of a weird question.... If I have a DSL line which was given the ip 203.194.57.225, how hard would it be to make it look like packets were coming from 203.109.184.222 instead ? |
| 03:48.59 | rking | poli: is there some longterm committment? |
| 03:49.00 | poli | Nemesis__, very |
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| 03:49.18 | PumpkinPie | poli: 110 gigs? thats a new one |
| 03:49.18 | Nemesis__ | poli: even if I have another interface which is recieving packets for 203.109.184.222 ? |
| 03:49.22 | poli | rking, for this price, 24 months. For 4.95, 12 months. |
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| 03:49.45 | poli | Nemesis__, Does it get routed to your network? That is, the 222 address is yours also? |
| 03:49.54 | PumpkinPie | who offers 110 gb for 3.95 ? |
| 03:50.04 | Nemesis__ | poli: yes, the .222 address is on my one-way satellite... |
| 03:50.16 | poli | Nemesis__, It is the address of your router? |
| 03:50.24 | rking | Nemesis__: oh, then you could just use ssh to port-forward |
| 03:50.43 | rking | Nemesis__: i'm sure there's some router-based way to do it, but ssh tunnels are super-easy to set up |
| 03:50.46 | Nemesis__ | poli: at the moment, it's the address of the 56k ppp line... |
| 03:50.56 | Nemesis__ | rking: i can't NAT an entire network over SSH ;) |
| 03:51.02 | rixth | When I try to remove sendmail it wants to install exim4. How can I tell it not to? |
| 03:51.11 | rixth | (it and in apt-get) |
| 03:51.14 | rixth | as in* |
| 03:51.17 | abrotman | rixth: you shouhl have an MTA |
| 03:51.27 | poli | Nemesis__, IPs belong to interfaces... what interface owns that address, is it the modem connected to the PPP line (actually a router inside the modem box)? |
| 03:51.28 | Nemesis__ | poli: basically I want to get a DSL uplink instead of using a 56k line |
| 03:51.34 | rixth | abrotman, why, I'm not a mail server |
| 03:51.49 | abrotman | rixth: when bad stuff happens .. mail goes to people |
| 03:52.04 | abrotman | or other information |
| 03:52.36 | Nemesis__ | poli: the ppp (modem) interface owns the .222 IP. the satellite (pentaval0) just has a private LAN IP (192.168.0.22)... |
| 03:52.47 | rixth | abrotman, my sendmail is sick. When I start my computer it gets to "Strarting MTA: sendmail" it hangs there for about 5 minutes (it DOES start in the end) |
| 03:53.05 | abrotman | rixth: so install exim4 if you want |
| 03:53.22 | bob2 | Nemesis__: you need your upstream dsl provider to allow you to do that |
| 03:53.22 | tabris|away | rixth: can't resolve teh localhost name. edit your /etc/hosts file and add the hostname to it. |
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| 03:53.46 | benjamindees | rixth, yeah, hostname issue |
| 03:53.50 | Nemesis__ | bob2: so I cant just get them to arbritrarily route packets from .222? |
| 03:53.57 | rixth | I have localhost in there |
| 03:54.10 | rixth | abrotman, I can't, I need to send mails thru PHP |
| 03:54.21 | bob2 | Nemesis__: you can spoff whatever ip you like, but sane isp's have filters on their routers to block obviously spoofed packets |
| 03:54.23 | poli | Nemesis__, IF you have access to the modem configuration and IF the modem has the ability to do some "more advanced" routing tricks, yes, you can. |
| 03:54.27 | abrotman | rixth: so what? .. what does exim have to do with that ? |
| 03:54.27 | bob2 | Nemesis__: if it's netspeed, you're probably fine |
| 03:54.40 | poli | Nemesis__, oh, correction |
| 03:54.49 | Nemesis__ | bob2: i wanna get 256/64 DSL for an uplink (on internode) ;) |
| 03:55.00 | bob2 | Nemesis__: you could ask them |
| 03:55.03 | poli | Nemesis__, IF that IP is used for your modem only. My router has the same IP of 64 other routers. :) |
| 03:55.32 | Nemesis__ | *scratches head* |
| 03:55.38 | Justin | !wayttd Nemesis__ |
| 03:55.39 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Nemesis__? |
| 03:56.07 | Nemesis__ | Justin: change one way satellite with 56k up link to one way satelite with DSL up link |
| 03:56.39 | poli | Nemesis__, how are you planning to do that. |
| 03:56.40 | poli | ? |
| 03:56.48 | Nemesis__ | Justin: but the public IP, ".222", is on the modem line |
| 03:57.14 | Nemesis__ | poli: well, as I understand it, the way it works at the moment is, packets look like they're coming from .222 because they're from my modem .. and the packets come back to me via the satellite using funky routing |
| 03:57.39 | Nemesis__ | so basically, my dish recieves packets for .222 |
| 03:57.56 | Nemesis__ | I'm guessing, if I can make the packets look like they're still coming from .222 on the dsl line, it'll "just work" |
| 03:57.56 | poli | Nemesis__, you have two differente connections? |
| 03:58.01 | Nemesis__ | poli: yes |
| 03:58.11 | poli | Nemesis__, what is the other connection? |
| 03:58.22 | Nemesis__ | poli: one-way satellite? |
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| 03:58.58 | poli | Nemesis__, You have a one-way satellite and... ? |
| 03:59.05 | Nemesis__ | poli: 56k modem |
| 03:59.16 | Nemesis__ | poli: as the uplink |
| 03:59.34 | poli | Nemesis__, and you want to magically transform your satellite in a 2 two satellite? |
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| 03:59.46 | Nemesis__ | poli: I want to remove the 56k modem uplink, and replace it with a DSL uplink |
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| 04:00.54 | rking | hey, does anyone know how XM, or satellite tv for that matter, controls subscriptions? for example, let's say they want to disconnect me for non-payment, how does my reciever get the message that it should be turned off? |
| 04:01.10 | poli | Nemesis__, hum... now everything is clearer. :) Ok... I have no idea of how those 1 way satellite work... The 56k is it in your machine or in the satellite equipment? |
| 04:01.38 | rking | if you broadcast a one-time message, the receiver could be off during the time the message is sent |
| 04:01.50 | Nemesis__ | poli: there's basically a PCI card connected to the dish which shows up as a network interface ("pentaval0"), and a modem connected to the box for the uplink |
| 04:02.08 | benjamindees | rking, I think they have to have a phone line |
| 04:02.33 | rking | XM satellite /definitely/ doesn't have a phone line. i know what you're saying - i've seen that on the TV setups. but XM doesn't |
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| 04:03.00 | poli | benjamindees, Well, possibly both the interfaces respond to the .222 address, and the real routing happens in you uplink's router. |
| 04:03.05 | Justin | Nemesis__: what does your ifconfig and route -n output show? |
| 04:03.09 | abrotman | rking: ask google ? |
| 04:03.28 | grendal_prime | this is nuts |
| 04:03.35 | rking | abrotman: ok - i'm afraid i don't know how to phrase the question in a precise enough way - but i'll let you know if i find it. this is really bugging me |
| 04:03.50 | Nemesis__ | Justin: #flood ? |
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| 04:04.17 | poli | benjamindees, if it is so, you would have to "spoof" all the packages going throught the DSL line to make they seem to be coming from the .222, youare correct about this... |
| 04:04.22 | Nemesis__ | poli: I dont even think the dish interface needs an IP... it's got a private lan IP at the moment, and that rp_filter thing is turned off |
| 04:04.23 | poli | benjamindees, sorry |
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| 04:04.34 | ElectricElf | Damnit, need to remember to kick |
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| 04:05.02 | grendal_prime | i cannot figure out these make errors |
| 04:05.15 | poli | Nemesis__, but you will most likely be caught by simple filters on your DSL provider... |
| 04:05.15 | grendal_prime | make[3]: *** [/home/shawng/qemu/kqemu/kmod.o] Error 1 |
| 04:05.15 | grendal_prime | \ |
| 04:05.30 | abrotman | _biovore_: why would you do that ? |
| 04:05.38 | grendal_prime | include/linux/sched.h:491: error: storage size of `pending' isn't known |
| 04:05.38 | Nemesis__ | poli: hrm, damn.... |
| 04:05.48 | grendal_prime | i get a crapload of those sorts of errors |
| 04:05.55 | grendal_prime | its making me crazy |
| 04:07.08 | Neverm1nd | arg I feel like im starting all over again |
| 04:07.24 | Nemesis__ | poli: would I just be able to assign the .222 IP to the DSL line, or would it be more complicated? |
| 04:07.33 | Nemesis__ | poli: i.e. instead of getting IP via DHCP |
| 04:07.59 | Justin | Nemesis__: I don't think you can do this at all, at least not without help from the sat. people |
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| 04:08.12 | benjamindees | your dsl provider probably won't route packets that don't appear to come from their network |
| 04:08.49 | Nemesis__ | Justin: I get the impression that as long as the packets from .222 make it out of the dialup provider's network it'll work |
| 04:09.31 | poli | Nemesis__, IF they get out of the DSL's provider, they would still have a chance to be caught by its uplink. :) Spoofing is bad for security these days... :) |
| 04:09.35 | Justin | Nemesis__: I thought the whole point was the make them go out of the dsl connection |
| 04:09.57 | EvilSporkMan | does debian need "automatically mounted at boot" enabled for devfs? |
| 04:09.58 | Nemesis__ | Justin: it is... so as long as the packets from .222 make it out of the dsl provider's network..... |
| 04:10.05 | Justin | Nemesis__: you'd probably have better luck using the stuff from lartc to load balance the connections |
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| 04:10.12 | bob2 | EvilSporkMan: yes |
| 04:10.22 | EvilSporkMan | bob2: gracias |
| 04:10.29 | Nemesis__ | Justin: the whole point is to remove the dialup line.. it's costing more than the dish in phonecalls.... |
| 04:10.55 | Justin | Nemesis__: did you try just asking the satellite people this question? |
| 04:11.05 | Nemesis__ | Justin: heh.. they're morons |
| 04:11.08 | bob2 | the satellite people are clueless |
| 04:11.10 | bob2 | as is the dialup isp |
| 04:11.15 | lakcaj | Hi. I added "deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./" to my sources.list file, did an apt-get update and tried both an apt-get upgrade and an apt-get dist-upgrade, but apt tells me that nothing needs updating? |
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| 04:11.45 | Nemesis__ | Did you know, moron is alternatively spelled with 8 letters? 'n-e-t-s-p-e-e-d' |
| 04:11.45 | bob2 | lakcaj: #debian-kde |
| 04:12.02 | lakcaj | bob2, thanks |
| 04:12.30 | Nemesis__ | bob2: chances of getting internode to route packets for me? hehe |
| 04:13.24 | bob2 | I dunno |
| 04:13.29 | bob2 | better than with most other isp's |
| 04:13.35 | Nemesis__ | bob2: figured.. |
| 04:13.49 | benjamindees | find a colo hoster with a lax connection and spoof from there |
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| 04:15.01 | benjamindees | er, except that could end up costing just as much or more |
| 04:15.07 | Nemesis__ | benjamindees: what like through a vpn connection or something |
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| 04:16.08 | benjamindees | Nemesis__, like using iptables to mangle the packets somehow |
| 04:16.45 | Justin | Nemesis__: the ppp connection is specific to the satellite provider right? |
| 04:17.21 | Nemesis__ | Justin: well, not really... the satellite provider is actually new zealand based |
| 04:17.32 | rxc | hello.. does anyone use mga_vid for mplayer? i have to makenod /dev/mga_vid everytime i boot, because i think udev deletes it.. any solutions? |
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| 04:17.45 | Nemesis__ | Justin: netspeed (the dialup provider) just routes the uplink packets |
| 04:18.13 | Justin | Nemesis__: yeah.. you would need to get the dsl provider to do the same thing |
| 04:18.46 | Justin | because unless they are completely incompetent, they will not route packets that don't belong on their network |
| 04:20.24 | benjamindees | you -> dsl line -> colo box -> www.yahoo.com -> colo box -> satellite -> you |
| 04:20.41 | benjamindees | yeah you'd need more than just packet mangling |
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| 04:22.33 | Nemesis__ | benjamindees: well, at the moment, it's me -> dialup -> netspeed -> www.yahoo.com -> ihug.net -> PAS8 satellite -> dish -> me |
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| 04:23.03 | xoz | rxc: check rules in /etc/udev |
| 04:23.18 | benjamindees | Nemesis__, I doubt yahoo would respond to a different IP than they are queried from |
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| 04:23.58 | poli | benjamindees, in his case, it is the same IP. |
| 04:24.03 | Goeland86 | hi, I'm helping a friend install sarge on his laptop, and after doing apt-get install xfree86-common he still gets "startx: command not found" |
| 04:24.10 | Goeland86 | can anyone give me a hand? |
| 04:24.11 | Nemesis__ | benjamindees: the dialup line is 203.109.184.222, and the dish recieves pakcets for 203.109.184.222 |
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| 04:24.25 | miles | sid is more unstable than sarge right? |
| 04:24.26 | poli | benjamindees, probably... the dialup just uses the same IP as the Satellite for his packets. |
| 04:24.30 | Nemesis__ | (hence why that rp_filter thing needs to be disabled) |
| 04:24.32 | bob2 | Goeland86: install x-window-system-core |
| 04:24.35 | Goeland86 | k |
| 04:24.36 | bob2 | miles: often |
| 04:24.38 | Goeland86 | thanks bob2 |
| 04:24.45 | rxc | xoz: thanks.. i'll take a look |
| 04:24.46 | miles | okay, thanks bob2 |
| 04:25.34 | rxc | xoz: can you point to me a bit more specific? i am a bit lost in /etc/udev =P |
| 04:27.05 | PumpkinPie | I said boom boom boom |
| 04:27.11 | PumpkinPie | let me hear ya say |
| 04:27.14 | PumpkinPie | wayo |
| 04:27.19 | rking | wayooo |
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| 04:29.32 | xoz | rxc: edit udev.rules to create your device |
| 04:29.46 | hiroKi | hi there. |
| 04:30.29 | jetdotnet | boom boom out go the lights |
| 04:30.29 | benjamindees | Nemesis__, so you really just need a colo box with squid that accepts requests from one IP (your dsl) and sends responses to a different IP (your sat) |
| 04:30.49 | rixth | I was here ealier with a sendmail problem. Whenever sendmail starts at bootup, it takes about 5 minutes to start |
| 04:30.52 | benjamindees | oh, and a million dollars to cover the bandwidth costs |
| 04:31.07 | hiroKi | i'm some newbie and i have some problems... can someone tell me how can i do a fstab file? |
| 04:31.32 | rixth | hiroKi, What distribution of Debian are you using? |
| 04:31.38 | rixth | Sarge or Woddy? |
| 04:31.40 | rking | hiroKi: well, it has a description of itself inside... # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
| 04:31.41 | rixth | Woody* |
| 04:31.49 | hiroKi | knoppix |
| 04:31.59 | rking | hiroKi: do you understand what it wants for the "file system" and "mount point"? |
| 04:32.01 | rixth | hiroKi, this is Debian... |
| 04:32.10 | Nemesis__ | benjamindees: heh, i already pay out my eyeballs for bandwidth |
| 04:32.14 | hiroKi | oh. sorry. |
| 04:32.20 | rking | rixth: that's no big deal, it's all pretty much the same under the hood |
| 04:32.26 | rixth | hiroKi, it's the same anyhow, so we'll help ya |
| 04:32.27 | doublehp | rking: as fs, put auto |
| 04:32.48 | hiroKi | good. |
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| 04:32.59 | rixth | hiroKi, are you mounting a fat32 drive? |
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| 04:33.05 | hiroKi | yes |
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| 04:33.21 | rixth | You need to add some other things to allow you to write to it |
| 04:33.56 | rxc | xoz: great.. i am trying now... but how to i create the correct perm? right now i have to this after i boot. mknod /dev/mga_vid c 178 0; chown root:video /dev/mga_vid; chmod 0660 /dev/mga_vid. |
| 04:33.56 | rking | man, i *love* vim syntax files. seems like they add more every day (fstab is colorized now) |
| 04:33.59 | CyL_away | How do I check if a package is installed, and if it is, what is its version? |
| 04:33.59 | rixth | /dev/hdX /mnt/*mount point* vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 04:34.33 | rixth | hiroKi, jsut cut and paste that line and change the mount point and /dev/hdX to whatever it is |
| 04:34.39 | hiroKi | ok, thanks |
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| 04:35.36 | FunnyLookinHat | if I am downloading debian images to install ... how many of the discs do I need? first two? |
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| 04:35.46 | rixth | I was here ealier with a sendmail problem. Whenever sendmail starts at bootup, it takes about 5 minutes to start. Someone mentioned something about a host problem |
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| 04:36.34 | rking | FunnyLook: honestly, i've never installed via images - i just do a network install. that way it'll install just what you need |
| 04:36.45 | Oberjaeger | CyL_away "dpkg -l |grep apache" will check for any traces of packages with "apache" in the name on your system. If the first two letters in a line are "ii" it's installed. The version is in the third column |
| 04:36.47 | CyL_away | FunnyLookinHat<=- It depends on what packages you need to install... just download the first disc, gives you good defaults |
| 04:37.07 | FunnyLookinHat | rking: about how much bandwidth would that use? I am limited to about 1.5 GB for the next 12 hours... |
| 04:37.36 | CyL_away | Oberjaeger<=- thanks |
| 04:38.40 | Oberjaeger | CyL_away: np, glad to help |
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| 04:43.07 | zoid | anyone know of an app that can extract .dmg files under linux? |
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| 04:43.45 | rking | zoid: hrmm... nothing showed up in "apt-cache search"... |
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| 04:44.00 | zoid | yeah, tried that |
| 04:44.18 | rking | your google's as good as mine on that one |
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| 04:45.36 | jetdotnet | lies |
| 04:45.44 | rking | all lies. |
| 04:45.55 | jetdotnet | ^^lie |
| 04:46.43 | rking | vvlie. |
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| 04:52.02 | satyr | who |
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| 04:52.40 | jetdotnet | VVeil |
| 04:52.49 | jetdotnet | vveil |
| 04:52.52 | dabreegster | What's that command that shows every open file and what it's being used by? |
| 04:52.58 | Oberjaeger | lsof |
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| 04:53.09 | dabreegster | thanks |
| 04:53.09 | stouset | fuser |
| 04:53.11 | jetdotnet | list open files |
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| 04:53.43 | PumpkinPie | wha ? |
| 04:53.48 | PumpkinPie | I never heard of such things |
| 04:54.04 | jetdotnet | i make a lot of stuff up as i go |
| 04:54.07 | Starfire | hey guys, i got a question.... i booted with my cd drive in and on, and now i cant access it, it says it cant be found. it worked before.... wtf :( |
| 04:54.08 | poli | PumpkinPie, VERY useful. |
| 04:54.12 | jetdotnet | but you should be able to tell |
| 04:54.27 | Starfire | is there a manual way to mount the drive? |
| 04:54.29 | PumpkinPie | poli: yeah im about to try using it |
| 04:54.45 | jetdotnet | make sure the line in your fstab is correct, man mount |
| 04:54.51 | jetdotnet | an so forth |
| 04:55.00 | PumpkinPie | so lsof and fuser do the same thing ? |
| 04:55.07 | jetdotnet | usually, mount /cdrom functions |
| 04:55.09 | bob2 | similar things |
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| 04:55.53 | Starfire | "you must specify a filesystem type" |
| 04:56.06 | Starfire | ive already got a CD in there, i just wanna be able to browse it like afolder |
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| 04:56.44 | jetdotnet | iso9001 or something |
| 04:56.50 | maher | Starfire: audio or data |
| 04:56.53 | jetdotnet | or try auto |
| 04:56.58 | Starfire | um..... data im sure |
| 04:57.04 | jetdotnet | folder??? |
| 04:57.18 | maher | Starfire: you should be able to mount it |
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| 04:57.22 | trend | hello |
| 04:57.32 | jetdotnet | !folder |
| 04:57.32 | dpkg | folder is, like, a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 04:57.36 | poli | PumpkinPie, No. |
| 04:58.15 | poli | PumpkinPie, lsof shows you all the descriptors used... |
| 04:58.30 | trend | can crontab run an event every 2minutes every day of the month? |
| 04:58.42 | poli | trend, yes, man crontab |
| 04:58.50 | trend | poli i did |
| 04:58.51 | Starfire | bah this is no fun |
| 04:58.52 | tabris|away | good grief... why? |
| 04:58.57 | tabris|away | 2 minutes? |
| 04:58.57 | trend | it wasn't very helpful.. let me guess you haven't read it .. have you? |
| 04:59.12 | trend | it is an email program.. that emails me based on log file changes |
| 04:59.12 | tabris|away | sounds like you should use a separate daemon or program |
| 04:59.17 | maher | trend: man 5 crontab |
| 04:59.32 | satyr | what config file should I edit to start the apache server? |
| 05:00.20 | satyr | apache server debian/knoppix |
| 05:00.29 | PumpkinPie | poli: is there a way to stop the access of a file based on a rule? |
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| 05:00.46 | Starfire | mounting = really dumb lol |
| 05:00.51 | BrianAnthony | Mem: 646392k total, 567168k used, 79224k free, 34604k buffers |
| 05:01.01 | BrianAnthony | how the hell... where do I see what programs are using what |
| 05:01.06 | poli | trend, man 5 crontab |
| 05:01.09 | poli | trend, ;) |
| 05:01.14 | trend | hmm.. yeah i read man 5 crontab.. but i still don't see it |
| 05:01.17 | trend | i see this line: |
| 05:01.28 | trend | Commands are executed by cron(8) when the minute, hour, and month of year fields match the current |
| 05:01.28 | trend | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.41 | poli | PumpkinPie, ACL or unix-permissions only, as far as I know. |
| 05:02.00 | maher | trend: so you probably want */2 * * * * * |
| 05:02.01 | trend | I could add events every 2 minutes.. aka 30lines .. |
| 05:02.10 | Xenguy | BrianAnthony: top ? |
| 05:02.19 | BrianAnthony | Xenguy: yep |
| 05:02.27 | poli | trend, */2 * * * * * |
| 05:02.39 | BrianAnthony | something's going haywire somewhere, but I sure as hell can't see it from gnome |
| 05:03.00 | poli | trend, But this is somewhat a new feature. I don't remember it being there when I needed it 8 years ago. ;) |
| 05:03.06 | trend | lol |
| 05:03.07 | BrianAnthony | I dunno how I'm using all of my ram... |
| 05:03.28 | trend | thanks! I see it (poli sorry for being rude.. I really read through the crontab man page.. and even googled before asking.. and didn't find anything) |
| 05:03.30 | Starfire | im kinda havin a hard time with this, somone wanna break it down for me >_< |
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| 05:03.49 | poli | trend, Following a range |
| 05:03.50 | poli | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.50 | poli | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.52 | rking | Starfire: what's up? |
| 05:04.01 | liable_ | BrianAnthony: memstat |
| 05:04.02 | trend | i guess I was expecting it to be labeled more loudly |
| 05:04.08 | Starfire | rking: trying to mount my cd drive, and it it kinda wont work lol |
| 05:04.14 | poli | trend, Ok. Not THAT clear, I had seen that before, so I knew what I was looking for. |
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| 05:04.19 | rking | Starfire: what's the command you're using? |
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| 05:04.48 | Starfire | rking: just what ive been told mount /cdrom and im reading the stuff it gave me after that |
| 05:04.49 | RaCarter | is there a way to change the resolution for when you're not running X? |
| 05:05.12 | RaCarter | like if I hit ctrl+alt+fn I get to the command line, but the fonts are big and don't fit on my monitor properly |
| 05:05.15 | poli | RaCarter, you mean, for text-mode? There is an option in lilo... VGA=xxx |
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| 05:05.19 | PumpkinPie | I get a number after I run "fuser file"... that is the pid ? |
| 05:05.26 | RaCarter | I'm using grub |
| 05:05.36 | PumpkinPie | yeah |
| 05:05.41 | BrianAnthony | 123592k: PID 3362 (/usr/sbin/mysqld) |
| 05:05.45 | BrianAnthony | is that right??? |
| 05:05.47 | PumpkinPie | crazy! |
| 05:05.52 | BrianAnthony | ... I mean, is that normal? |
| 05:05.55 | poli | RaCarter, they probably behave the same. :) |
| 05:06.03 | PumpkinPie | Brian!! remember me |
| 05:06.12 | BrianAnthony | PumpkinPie: me? |
| 05:06.16 | PumpkinPie | Brian: flux xulf.. phpfreaks |
| 05:06.21 | BrianAnthony | holy fuck |
| 05:06.25 | rking | Starfire: well, i wonder what is in your /etc/fstab - that's what shapes the way "mount /cdrom" works. try "grep cdrom /etc/fstab" |
| 05:06.25 | BrianAnthony | what's up, Randy =P |
| 05:06.30 | PumpkinPie | hahaha |
| 05:06.54 | RaCarter | is there a way to upgrade the whole text mode shell? |
| 05:07.02 | Starfire | rking: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 05:07.24 | maher | RaCarter: upgrade to what? a ferrari? |
| 05:07.30 | rking | Starfire: hrm.. that looks a little odd. well, in that case, try "mount /media/cdrom0" |
| 05:07.32 | RaCarter | gentoo seems to look nice.. different colors and stuff, are they using a different text mode program or just customizing the same one differently? |
| 05:07.39 | rking | Starfire: you're not running debian, are you? =) |
| 05:07.46 | Starfire | yes i am |
| 05:08.02 | maher | RaCarter: they probably have ls aliased to ls --color |
| 05:08.03 | rxc | does debian have rc.local? can't seem to find it |
| 05:08.07 | rking | is debian going away from /cdrom or something? |
| 05:08.10 | Starfire | rking: "mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist" |
| 05:08.20 | Oberjaeger | RaCarter, I've got vga=0x31B in my menu.lst which gives me a nice 1280x1024 console |
| 05:08.31 | rking | Starfire: mkdir -p /media/cdrom0 |
| 05:08.33 | Starfire | rking: a while ago it asked me something about my drive and i hit okay not thinking and it hasnt worked properly ever since.... :( |
| 05:08.43 | Oberjaeger | RaCarter, Put it in a kernel line |
| 05:08.51 | rking | Starfire: no biggie - we're probably going to have it working in a couple minutes now |
| 05:08.57 | felipe_2 | RaCarter, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:09.06 | Starfire | holy crap it works now |
| 05:09.08 | Starfire | omg |
| 05:09.13 | maher | RaCarter: what sort of colours... |
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| 05:09.25 | Starfire | rking thankies ^_^ |
| 05:09.43 | rking | Starfire: not a prob. |
| 05:09.44 | RaCarter | colors |
| 05:09.54 | maher | RaCarter: ? be more specific |
| 05:09.58 | RaCarter | not just colors though, the fonts seem smaller and they fit better on the monitor |
| 05:10.08 | Starfire | rking yay now i can find that file i need for my mid-terms ^_^ thanks so much ^_^; |
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| 05:10.26 | maher | RaCarter: ok - that's what Oberjaeger was saying... |
| 05:10.31 | rking | Starfire: have fun on those midterms |
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| 05:11.11 | RaCarter | um.. so what am I putting in the kernel like? vga=??? and anything else? |
| 05:11.41 | Oberjaeger | RaCarter, kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-k7 root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=0x31B quiet splash |
| 05:11.58 | Oberjaeger | In /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:12.15 | Starfire | rking: not possible but ill try lol. my school is stupid, we do everything backwards... i mean its the end of the year and we're doing mid-terms... just plain gay >_< |
| 05:12.17 | qubit | Any idea where I could get software to make an image out of a bunch of composite images? (or what that software would be called?) |
| 05:12.38 | dabreegster | qubit: image magick? |
| 05:12.40 | poli | qubit, just guessing: gimp? |
| 05:12.48 | Oberjaeger | qubit, metapixel |
| 05:12.58 | qubit | (I'm thinking of those images where there is a big array of random images, but from a ways back, the grid forms a different image, like george washington or whatever) |
| 05:13.04 | qubit | metapixel? |
| 05:13.08 | Oberjaeger | metapixel - generator for photomosaics |
| 05:13.11 | RaCarter | what is 0x31B? 795 in hex? |
| 05:14.04 | qubit | Oberjaeger: . o O ( ... i knew where to turn -- #debian has *all* the answers! ... ) |
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| 05:14.44 | stouset | No, #debian just feeds directly into google :-) |
| 05:14.53 | trend | ha |
| 05:14.57 | Oberjaeger | apt-cache search actually :) |
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| 05:15.23 | Erpo | Hi all. My mouse has Back and Forward buttons in addition to the normal three buttons/mouse wheel. They work with Firefox in windows but not in debian testing. Any suggestions? |
| 05:15.52 | rking | Racarter: echo "ibase=16;31B" | bc |
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| 05:16.17 | felipe_2 | RaCarter, 795 in decimal |
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| 05:16.38 | RaCarter | vga=0x31B.. what does that mean? |
| 05:17.08 | Oberjaeger | Erpo, join flood and I'll paste the lines you need for your X conf |
| 05:17.21 | Xsquared | hi all, i have a quick question about blootbots. is addressing a bot mean like : <xsquared>[botname], !nickometer blah |
| 05:17.23 | felipe_2 | RaCarter, it means the resolution for the framebuffer |
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| 05:17.28 | Erpo | Oberjaeger: Check. |
| 05:18.07 | Oberjaeger | You may need to change the "Device" line to suit your box |
| 05:18.19 | Oberjaeger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:19.54 | kingsley | Where can one download a Microsoft "FDISK" program that can create a VFAT partition on a high capacity drive? |
| 05:19.56 | felipe_2 | RaCarter, look /usr/src/linux/fb/framebuffer.txt for more info |
| 05:20.28 | maher | kingsley: hd? |
| 05:20.33 | Erpo | Oberjaeger: Thanks. I'm off to test. |
| 05:20.37 | felipe_2 | kingsley, i think you can create it with linux's fdisk |
| 05:20.51 | kingsley | maher: yes |
| 05:20.56 | renegad3 | hi guys, does anyone have a debian logo with text and the backround is transparent? |
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| 05:21.13 | maher | kingsley: mkfs.vfat |
| 05:21.31 | trend | crap.. do I need to do anything else to get /etc/crontab to be read? i just did a /etc/init.d/cron restart.. but it seems it is still not reading the new changes in /etc/crontab |
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| 05:21.44 | kingsley | felipe_2: Do you happen to know if either DOS's "format" command or "mkfs.vfat" will create a vfat file system on a partition created by linux's fdisk? |
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| 05:21.58 | RaCarter | there are no directories in /usr/src |
| 05:22.04 | rking | renegad3: does anything here work?: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 05:22.14 | kingsley | maher: mkfs.vfat doesn't create a fs readable by win98. |
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| 05:22.17 | maher | trend: you shouldn't need to restart it - is it mailing you anything? |
| 05:22.23 | felipe_2 | RaCarter, http://linux-fbdev.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:22.25 | Erpo | Oberjaeger: It works great. Thanks! |
| 05:22.28 | renegad3 | rking, im only asking because I already have those logos |
| 05:22.33 | liable_ | RaCarter: http://www.antlinux.com/staticwiki/VgaModes.html |
| 05:22.34 | maher | kingsley: urm - i think it can |
| 05:22.39 | trend | maher yes |
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| 05:22.47 | felipe_2 | kingsley, yea it does |
| 05:22.53 | maher | trend: what is it mailing you? |
| 05:22.59 | rking | renegad3: ahh.. i donno then =\ |
| 05:23.07 | renegad3 | rking, key word being transparent ;D |
| 05:23.10 | trend | maher actually.. ijust received 2 emails now... so i guess my email server has a laggg |
| 05:23.14 | trend | thanks for the help maher! |
| 05:23.28 | felipe_2 | but before make sure to change the partiton type on fdisk to type |
| 05:23.30 | felipe_2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.32 | renegad3 | rking, thanks anyways :D |
| 05:23.52 | rking | renegad3: i'm surprised none of those are... shouldn't take but a few minutes of gimp'ing to do it... pick one and i'll do the gimping myself if you like |
| 05:24.53 | jetdotnet | 0c |
| 05:24.54 | renegad3 | rking, ahh ok |
| 05:25.08 | jetdotnet | unless you're weird and don't do lba |
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| 05:25.32 | renegad3 | im trying to gimp it, but, yer, im in-experienced :( |
| 05:25.37 | renegad3 | ok hold up |
| 05:25.51 | catalyst4000 | hi |
| 05:26.06 | catalyst4000 | i want to set up my games so they run in a 2nd X server |
| 05:26.15 | catalyst4000 | like: xinit /usr/local/games/doom3 -- :1 |
| 05:26.28 | catalyst4000 | but I can't figure out how to set up xauth to allow it |
| 05:26.31 | catalyst4000 | anyone? |
| 05:26.44 | renegad3 | rking, the openlogo.xcf.gz |
| 05:26.58 | rking | catalyst: so you have the xserver started on :1 already? |
| 05:27.03 | catalyst4000 | nope |
| 05:27.09 | pagux | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.10 | rking | catalyst: are you sure you don't just want multiple desktops, like what wmaker does? |
| 05:27.33 | catalyst4000 | nah unless I can run doom3 in lets say desktop 2 |
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| 05:27.40 | catalyst4000 | and switch back to desktop 1 for aim |
| 05:28.03 | catalyst4000 | I had a similar set up on my fedora box, but i can't remember how i did it |
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| 05:28.20 | catalyst4000 | I'd run games on :1 |
| 05:28.33 | Erpo | catalyst4000: If you want to run doom3 in one workspace and run apps in others, there's a very easy workaround that actually ends up saving a lot of system resources. |
| 05:28.34 | catalyst4000 | hit CTRL-ALT-F7 to go back to my AIM |
| 05:28.54 | rixth | Apr 24 16:53:26 debian sm-mta[7467]: j3O5j4K3007421: to=<wdaltec@gmail.com>, ctladdr=<nobody@debian.spectrumenterprises.org> (65534/65534), delay=00:08:21, xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=esmtp, pri=210409, relay=gmail.com., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Name server: gmail.com.: host name lookup failure |
| 05:29.05 | rixth | Why would it be failign/what do I need to setup? |
| 05:29.07 | Erpo | catalyst4000: clear all of the icons off of one workspace and set the background to black. You'll never know the difference. :) |
| 05:29.13 | RaCarter | where can I look up what kernel parameters exist and what they mean? |
| 05:29.27 | catalyst4000 | heh |
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| 05:30.03 | felipe_2 | boot command line parameters RaCarter? cat /proc/cmdline |
| 05:31.09 | Twisted_Emotions | Hey... I'm setting up webmind and I am getting Which hostname should be used by the webserver... I have *no WWW address... so should I just put in the IP or just leave it as "138238.fdcservers.net" |
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| 05:31.54 | ITALY_M | hi bob2 |
| 05:31.56 | Twisted_Emotions | *webmin... not webmind. Though webmind does sound better.. |
| 05:32.03 | ITALY_M | doe |
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| 05:32.21 | ITALY_M | how can i configure grub to start a default os ? |
| 05:32.29 | rixth | Apr 24 16:53:26 debian sm-mta[7467]: j3O5j4K3007421: to=<wdaltec@gmail.com>, ctladdr=<nobody@debian.spectrumenterprises.org> (65534/65534), delay=00:08:21, xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=esmtp, pri=210409, relay=gmail.com., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Name server: gmail.com.: host name lookup failure <<<>>> Why would it be failing? If I run nsloopup gmail.com it goes through OK |
| 05:32.32 | Twisted_Emotions | Anyone? Webmin question? |
| 05:32.39 | user_ | hey guys, we have a a problem with installing some freaking frozen-bbule-data package, apparently the dependacny is broken, but we cna enitehr remove nor install the package, and it keeps us from fixing up the system |
| 05:32.51 | rking | renegad3: Does it really have to be that big? |
| 05:33.16 | xoz | user_: running in sid? |
| 05:33.24 | user_ | xoz actaully knoppix |
| 05:33.28 | rixth | user_, happened to me once, had to reinstall. |
| 05:33.36 | user_ | rixth reinstall what? |
| 05:33.37 | renegad3 | im planning to put it on a T-shirt |
| 05:33.48 | rixth | Knoppix doesn't even use apt does it? |
| 05:33.53 | xoz | user_: then, it's not debian's problem |
| 05:33.54 | rixth | user_, Sarge |
| 05:33.55 | user_ | rixth it does |
| 05:34.10 | renegad3 | rking, im only suggestiong that size only because I can always re-size the image without losing quality |
| 05:34.14 | user_ | xoz well it is debian based, sint' it? what do you do if this happens in debian? |
| 05:34.18 | rixth | user_, not to my knowledge. Ask in #knoppix |
| 05:34.26 | user_ | rixth they idle there |
| 05:34.31 | benjamindees | user_, use dpkg to remove the package |
| 05:34.44 | Twisted_Emotions | Anyone know how to setup webmin? Hey... I'm setting up webmin and I am getting Which hostname should be used by the webserver... I have *no WWW address... so should I just put in the IP or just leave it as "138238.fdcservers.net" |
| 05:34.46 | benjamindees | user_, but you're on your own |
| 05:34.50 | spoofer | user_: dpkg -P 'nameofpackage?' |
| 05:35.06 | xoz | user_: remove its info in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 05:35.12 | rixth | Twisted_Emotions, use your machine name |
| 05:35.14 | renegad3 | rking, if it is a big job, dont worry about it, I will try search some more... |
| 05:35.21 | xoz | user_: and remove its info in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 05:35.25 | Twisted_Emotions | rixth: kk thanks |
| 05:35.33 | renegad3 | rking, im sure its been done before, and I could use there template |
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| 05:35.48 | RaCarter | ok |
| 05:36.33 | RaCarter | I added vga=0x31B to grb |
| 05:36.50 | user_ | it says it can not remove it , you have to reinstall it first |
| 05:36.52 | RaCarter | when I reboot it says You passed an undefined mode number |
| 05:36.59 | user_ | and can't install it , cause some dependency is broken |
| 05:37.05 | RaCarter | Press return to see video modes available |
| 05:37.16 | RaCarter | first it says my video adapter is VESA VGA |
| 05:37.19 | xoz | user_: be root |
| 05:37.24 | RaCarter | I'm using a matrox video card |
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| 05:37.45 | RaCarter | I'm going to type scan now |
| 05:37.54 | felipe_2 | RaCarter, try vga=ask |
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| 05:38.04 | rking | renegad3: for some reason the gimp keeps bailing out on me when i do it at that size - maybe the op runs out of RAM & it doesn't handle that cleanly... but here, try dis: http://panoptic.com/rking/debtrans.png |
| 05:38.10 | xoz | user_: remove it using rm for /var/lib/dpkg/info/bubbl<whatever> and edit the status file and remove its description |
| 05:38.16 | Oberjaeger | RaCarter, are you using a kernel with framebuffer support? |
| 05:38.29 | CyL_away | I'm recompiling a custom kernel, and I've found no options for fat filesystems... is fat support built into the kernel? |
| 05:38.50 | xoz | CyL_away: vfat |
| 05:38.56 | liable_ | CyL_away: its in the filesystems sub menu |
| 05:38.56 | slapppy | hey, i was told to edit /usr/share/keymaps/<arch>/<keymap>/keymap to swap ctrl and caps. ive done this, but what do i need to do to make the changes take effect? |
| 05:38.57 | renegad3 | rking, ta |
| 05:39.00 | CyL_away | xoz<=- no such option also |
| 05:39.12 | xoz | CyL_away: lies |
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| 05:39.18 | Oberjaeger | CyL_away, 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:39.32 | CyL_away | xoz<=- Yeap.. sorry.. the error was between the kwyboard and the chair |
| 05:39.35 | renegad3 | rking, your a genius ;P |
| 05:39.41 | CyL_away | Oberjaeger<=- nevermind, yhanks.... |
| 05:39.41 | renegad3 | rking, thanks mate |
| 05:39.44 | user_ | xoz it still wants to be upgrade |
| 05:39.54 | CyL_away | xoz<=- thanks |
| 05:40.03 | rking | renegad3: no prob |
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| 05:40.23 | xoz | user_: did you remove all its info? otherwise, use pinning. |
| 05:40.41 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.30 | Twisted_Emotions | Installed webmin... seems to be working but I get Error - Access denied for 68.126.218.70 when I try to access website. |
| 05:41.31 | xoz | user_: edit /etc/apt/preferences ... use pinning so that it will not be upgraded |
| 05:42.02 | rixth | Apr 24 16:53:26 *snip* delay=00:08:21, xdelay=00:00:20, mailer=esmtp, pri=210409, relay=gmail.com., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Name server: gmail.com.: host name lookup failure <<<>>> Why would it be failing? If I run nsloopup gmail.com it goes through OK. |
| 05:42.02 | rking | Twisted_E: maybe it's all .htaccess'd to heck? |
| 05:42.25 | rking | rixth: hrm |
| 05:42.27 | Oberjaeger | Doesn't webmin default to only allowing access from localhost? |
| 05:42.34 | xoz | !tell user_ about apt-pinning |
| 05:42.38 | Twisted_Emotions | rking: hmm.. wise words... wasted on a dumb man. What does that mean. |
| 05:42.43 | catalyst4000 | AHA! Got it... |
| 05:42.49 | rixth | Twisted_Emotions, try putting 127.0.0.1 in the addres bar, then try our machine name |
| 05:42.51 | rixth | your* |
| 05:42.54 | Twisted_Emotions | Oberjaeger: Im not on the machine.. |
| 05:43.05 | Twisted_Emotions | rixth: not a local machine.. |
| 05:43.07 | catalyst4000 | just had to do: xauth add :1.0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 and_my_magic_cookie |
| 05:43.07 | Twisted_Emotions | VPS.. |
| 05:43.10 | rking | Twisted_E: .htaccess is a file that controls the permissions on the file - but do the 127.1 thing first |
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| 05:43.20 | trend | how can you ping something forever ?.. i know in windows it is ping -t hostname |
| 05:43.30 | rking | catalyst4: i still think you'd be better of with multiple desktops. =) |
| 05:43.33 | rixth | trend, just start a ping |
| 05:43.36 | catalyst4000 | heh |
| 05:43.37 | xoz | user_: wrong factoid |
| 05:43.39 | trend | whoops |
| 05:43.42 | trend | that is right :/ |
| 05:43.43 | Twisted_Emotions | 138238:~# .htaccess |
| 05:43.43 | Twisted_Emotions | -bash: .htaccess: command not found |
| 05:44.08 | rixth | rking, that problem has got me quite puzzled. |
| 05:44.12 | RaCarter | vga=0x31B was a disaster, let's never speak of that again |
| 05:44.35 | xoz | user_: man apt_preferences |
| 05:44.57 | RaCarter | damnit, is there a way to make text mode look better with debian 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:44.58 | rking | rixth: could it be happening at a point in the bootup where network isn't yet configured or something? |
| 05:44.58 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.36 | liable_ | RaCarter: what happened when you set vga? |
| 05:45.48 | Oberjaeger | RaCarter, are you using a kernel with framebuffer support? |
| 05:46.07 | xoz | RaCarter: framebuffer is *ugly* |
| 05:46.15 | RaCarter | i don't know |
| 05:46.18 | rixth | No clue. Hostname lookup failure, yet if I do nslookup it works fine. DO you know if there is a interface to configure or do I have to edit the text file |
| 05:46.21 | Twisted_Emotions | rking: how do I run htaccess? |
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| 05:47.09 | RaCarter | is there a way to specify a video driver before X starts? |
| 05:47.15 | rking | Twisted_E: .htaccess is a file that lives in whatever directory the deal's files are |
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| 05:47.22 | RaCarter | doesn't the kernel have some video drivers? |
| 05:47.24 | rking | Twisted_E: just edit it |
| 05:47.29 | Oberjaeger | xoz, are we talking abou the same framebuffer? Because I happen to find 1280x1024 with colour rather fetching |
| 05:47.32 | rking | Twisted_E: but the localhost thing didn't work? |
| 05:47.37 | Twisted_Emotions | rking.. okay thanks... |
| 05:47.49 | Twisted_Emotions | rking: not a local machine.. it's a VPS server |
| 05:47.53 | RaCarter | yes 1280x1024 with color |
| 05:47.57 | RaCarter | that would be good |
| 05:48.11 | rking | RaCarter: that's specified in the XF86Config-4 file |
| 05:48.27 | Twisted_Emotions | brb gotta piss.. |
| 05:48.29 | Oberjaeger | rking, he's talking about the console, not X |
| 05:48.38 | rking | oh, geez |
| 05:48.39 | Oberjaeger | RaCarter, what kernel are you using? |
| 05:48.47 | RaCarter | 2.6.8-2 |
| 05:49.16 | sam_in | is any one setup software based vpn solustion (without using any proprtry hardware like -cisco,nortel,) |
| 05:49.20 | Oberjaeger | Home baked or apt-get version? |
| 05:49.36 | xoz | woot? torvalds is now using powerpc? |
| 05:49.47 | Nemesis^^ | zoid: still looking for a dmg extractor? |
| 05:50.17 | Oberjaeger | Did I already put sugar in my tea? |
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| 05:50.37 | poli | Oberjaeger, no, do it again. |
| 05:50.40 | Twisted_Emotions | rking: Is the website for the webmin I got from apt-get install webmin the same as the one on http://www.webmin.com/ because I was told there are two versions... |
| 05:50.42 | liable_ | RaCarter: what happened when you set vga? try 794 instead of the hex |
| 05:51.12 | Oberjaeger | poli, thanks, you were tight |
| 05:51.15 | Oberjaeger | um, *right |
| 05:51.20 | xoz | RaCarter: play with vga mode |
| 05:51.40 | rking | Twisted_E: do you know where the webmin cgi/php/whatever files live? |
| 05:51.43 | mac_ | I upgraded to 2.6 kernel earlier today... now for some reason eth0 is being "stolen" by some other HW (seems like IPv6... very long HWaddr string), and my network card is being bumped to eth2 instead... why is that, and how do I make it go back? |
| 05:51.55 | poli | Oberjaeger, this is the real reason why I don't put sugar in my tea. |
| 05:52.07 | Oberjaeger | RaCarter, run lsmod and look for vesafb |
| 05:52.19 | Nemesis^^ | mac_: by very long, you mean 12 hex pairs? |
| 05:52.28 | Twisted_Emotions | rking: no and I already tried locate.. and locate cant find some kind of dll so it wont run.. |
| 05:52.36 | mac_ | Nemesis^^: 16 |
| 05:52.58 | mac_ | which I think is IPv6 style |
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| 05:53.09 | maher | mac_: ipv6 is extra for each interface - your machine thinks there are extra network devices - possibly firewire? |
| 05:53.13 | rking | Twisted_E: also if you just installed it locate wouldn't have had time to find it anyway (the locatedb update script runs late at night) |
| 05:53.23 | rking | Twisted_E: but you should probably fix locate - what's the error? |
| 05:53.26 | christor | Please I need help to kill a process several time? |
| 05:53.36 | mac_ | maher: ah, could it be... there is firewire HW, perhaps never detected under 2.4 kernel |
| 05:53.39 | maher | mac_: if you really need the network card to be eth0 use ifrename |
| 05:53.46 | mac_ | maher: how can I reorder eth* devices then? |
| 05:53.52 | mac_ | oh, cool |
| 05:54.22 | poli | christor, what is the problem, please elaborate. |
| 05:54.29 | christor | ps -ef |grep cacti |wc - l = 822 :s How I can kill all these process? |
| 05:54.46 | rking | Twisted_E: i gotta say, i'm really tired - i don't know if i'm going to be able to help on this one |
| 05:54.51 | poli | christor, killall cacti maybe? |
| 05:54.53 | maher | mac_: just add an eth2 stanza to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:55.13 | poli | chrisrend, you want to kill cacti or the ps? |
| 05:55.15 | christor | poli: this is the exact line : /usr/bin/php /usr/share/cacti/site/script_server.php cmd |
| 05:55.35 | christor | in the process I have several line /usr/bin/php /usr/share/cacti/site/script_server.php cmd |
| 05:55.45 | poli | chrisrend, you can always ps xa |grep php and note its PID. Then kill PID |
| 05:55.45 | christor | I want to kill all these line |
| 05:56.19 | poli | christor, or kill by name, so you will kill every php running by doing a killall php |
| 05:56.44 | mac_ | maher: yeah, just did s/eth0/eth2/g for time being... |
| 05:57.08 | mac_ | the wierd thing is, I had one or two boots where the NIC showed up as eth0... |
| 05:57.25 | Twisted_Emotions | rking: no worries.. thanks for the help that you did provide.. |
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| 05:57.37 | user_ | is that a problem if i will be instlaling a debian kernel on knoppix system? |
| 05:57.49 | mac_ | is there a way to prevent such eth* identifier reversals in the future? (I think I've seen same on my laptop, tossup between NIC and wireless card...) |
| 05:58.03 | christor | poli: oh y es thx |
| 05:58.11 | poli | mac_, the first ethernet to be found be its driver becomes eth0, the second, eth1 etc. So if you use modules, the order you load the modules will give the order of the boards. |
| 05:58.21 | maher | mac_: i just use ifplugd - if there's a connection on the interface it tries to use it... |
| 05:58.55 | mac_ | poli: I think the modules are currently auto-loaded... perhaps if I just specify them explicitly...? |
| 05:59.17 | furrywolf | bah. I shine a laser pointer on the floor in front of my cat, and she looks at me like I'm nuts. everyone else's cat chases it around the room. Why did I have to get the smart one? :) |
| 05:59.21 | poli | mac_, get them in order in /etc/modules.conf |
| 05:59.22 | mac_ | maher: will have to investigate ifplugd... never heard of it (but then again, I just started using 2.6... :) |
| 05:59.41 | Twisted_Emotions | Is there any way to change the amount of time that server kicks me when I am idle? |
| 05:59.55 | karamelos | I have compiled the 2.6.10 kernel sources with the option "default linux capabilities" enabled, but the jack server cannot get realtime capabilities. |
| 06:00.14 | mac_ | poli: sounds good, will try that... but how do I find out, first, what eth0 actualy *is* right now, and second, what kernel module it uses? |
| 06:00.25 | maher | mac_: ifrename can bind a specific mac address to eth0 |
| 06:00.26 | xoz | poli, mac_: apt-get install ifrename? |
| 06:00.27 | mac_ | grepping syslog/messages makes no mention of eth0 on this boot |
| 06:00.49 | mac_ | maher: ah, cool, that would be another surefire way to fix this then |
| 06:00.59 | poli | mac_, ifrename sounds cool. :) |
| 06:01.15 | Oberjaeger | Twisted_Emotions, I just installed webmin to test it, and by default you can only access it from the box it's running on. You're going to need to login to it once from the box itself to allow access from somewhere else |
| 06:02.36 | RaCarter | vga=794 works.. although I don't understand why |
| 06:02.51 | RaCarter | I don't even get how 794 corelates to 1280x1024 |
| 06:03.06 | karamelos | is there some module I need to load to enable default linux capabilities in my 2.6.10 kernel? |
| 06:03.20 | Neverm1nd | SOB |
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| 06:04.02 | RaCarter | i have another problem |
| 06:04.06 | Twisted_Emotions | Oberjaeger so just loginto webmin using elinks or something... like elinks 172.16.1.0:10000 |
| 06:04.36 | RaCarter | when in text mode I keep getting atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed etc, etc every time I type |
| 06:04.37 | Oberjaeger | 127.0.0.1:10000 |
| 06:04.43 | mac_ | maher,poli: thanks guys, I think I got everything sorted out now |
| 06:04.46 | xoz | RaCarter: you can read the doc in the documentation tree of the kernel source regarding vga modes |
| 06:04.56 | Twisted_Emotions | oberjaeger: ...FUCK I dont have a GUI installed.. so will elinks handle https: ? |
| 06:05.21 | RaCarter | I will try to read up on the kernel next, is there any official site that explains kernel parameters? |
| 06:05.42 | plip | Hi all.. I have an ALSA question (hold the groans)... If I run 'alsaconf' after booting, everything works great, but once I reboot, I have to run it again. How do I get the settings to persist? |
| 06:05.46 | Oberjaeger | Twisted_Emotions, I believe that the elinks that comes with debian has https support |
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| 06:06.00 | RaCarter | alsa is for sound? |
| 06:06.04 | Twisted_Emotions | Oberjaeger: no it doesnt ;( |
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| 06:06.17 | xoz | RaCarter: man loadkeys? |
| 06:06.22 | Twisted_Emotions | gave me error... unkknown protocol or some shit. |
| 06:06.30 | xoz | RaCarter: read the docs in kernel source |
| 06:06.36 | Twisted_Emotions | links2? |
| 06:06.41 | Oberjaeger | Twisted_Emotions, I get "ssl error" but can still login |
| 06:07.13 | liable_ | plip: have you run 'alsactrl store' after alsaconf |
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| 06:07.24 | Oberjaeger | Twisted_Emotions, I'm guessing it's just elinks' way of complaining about unknown ssl certificates |
| 06:07.44 | xoz | plip: check if the modules detected by alsaconf are loaded during boot. otherwise, place the sound modules in /etc/modules |
| 06:07.52 | Twisted_Emotions | hm.. Im on the page.. gave me a error.. just sitting there now.. no login or anything.. |
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| 06:08.58 | Oberjaeger | Actually, if you've got access to the console, try editing /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf |
| 06:09.20 | xoz | plip: and make sure that /etc/init.d/alsa starts during boot |
| 06:09.22 | RaCarter | I typed loadkeys -d |
| 06:09.24 | Oberjaeger | Change allow=127.0.0.1 to all=your_ip |
| 06:09.26 | RaCarter | that doesn't help |
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| 06:10.05 | xoz | RaCarter: loadkeys <keyboard type> like *us* if it's a US keyboard |
| 06:11.10 | Twisted_Emotions | Oberjaeger: can I set it to.. like 55.44.***.***? or something like that? |
| 06:11.47 | karamelos | does the 2.6.10 kernel image come with realtime capabilities? |
| 06:12.01 | Oberjaeger | Twisted_Emotions, not sure, I'd set it to your exact ip for now, and then login normally and configure it using it's interface |
| 06:12.16 | Twisted_Emotions | Oberjaeger: kk thanks |
| 06:12.20 | Oberjaeger | np |
| 06:12.22 | xoz | karamelos: you mean realtime OS? |
| 06:12.35 | RaCarter | loadkeys us doesn't help either |
| 06:12.46 | RaCarter | I'm not entirely sure that it has anything to do with the keymap |
| 06:12.48 | xoz | !doesn't help |
| 06:13.01 | karamelos | xoz, I mean realtime capabilities needed by programs like jackd. |
| 06:13.10 | RaCarter | I have my keyboard connected to a switch that allows me to use the same keyboard for my windows machine and my linux machine |
| 06:13.26 | RaCarter | and my computer is a pos I bought on ebay for $20 |
| 06:13.44 | RaCarter | even I get a keyboard error when I first turn it on and I have to hit F1 to start |
| 06:13.49 | Twisted_Emotions | Oberjaeger: I know you hate me.. but okay I edited it.. but still no access.. guessing I need to restart process... |
| 06:13.55 | RaCarter | but I don't have any problems once X starts |
| 06:14.05 | Twisted_Emotions | Oberjaeger: /stop webmin didnt work |
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| 06:14.25 | xoz | karamelos: well, depends on the speed of your computer |
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| 06:14.43 | Oberjaeger | Twisted_Emotions, /etc/init.d/webmin restart |
| 06:14.53 | cahoot | xoz: no - it's a matter of a small change in the kernel src |
| 06:15.10 | xoz | !webmin |
| 06:15.10 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 06:15.16 | karamelos | xoz, that's another story, first I need the capabilities in the kernel. |
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| 06:15.21 | cahoot | xoz: involving capability.h |
| 06:15.38 | RaCarter | what other keymaps are there? |
| 06:15.55 | xoz | karamelos: check cahoot's comment |
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| 06:16.15 | Twisted_Emotions | Oberjaeger: You amazing SOB... it works... I can't believe I fixed it all by myself. PM me if you need help ;) |
| 06:16.23 | miguel | alguien habla español por aquí |
| 06:16.28 | Twisted_Emotions | Oberjaeger: just kidding ;) thanks a million |
| 06:16.35 | karamelos | xoz, I don't understand cahoot's comment. |
| 06:16.40 | felipe_2 | miguel, me |
| 06:16.53 | felipe_2 | also you can try #debian-es |
| 06:17.00 | miguel | thank |
| 06:17.12 | xoz | karamelos: can you be more specific? |
| 06:17.17 | RaCarter | Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xd9 on isa0060/serio0) |
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| 06:17.20 | Oberjaeger | Twisted_Emotions, np, I'm trying to save up enough karma so that someone fixes my dbmail problem for me ;) |
| 06:17.31 | dabreegster | Hey, what's up? |
| 06:18.20 | Xsquared | dabreegster: the sky |
| 06:18.30 | Oberjaeger | The price of beer |
| 06:18.32 | dabreegster | Xsquared: I only see the ceiling. Hmm. |
| 06:18.42 | xoz | RaCarter: check google? |
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| 06:19.22 | Xsquared | Oberjaeger: i wonder what coffee + Beer is like... |
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| 06:19.47 | dabreegster | Xsquared: there was an article that somebody brewed beer w/ caffeine on slashdot a while back |
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| 06:20.07 | Xsquared | dabreegster: awsome |
| 06:20.07 | Oberjaeger | Xsquared, not sure, but beer + cherries is vile |
| 06:20.16 | Xsquared | lol |
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| 06:20.48 | Oberjaeger | I spent like ?3 on a six-pack of that beer :\ |
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| 06:22.43 | RaCarter | atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e001 <keycode> to make it known. |
| 06:22.56 | RaCarter | maybe the problem is it's a microsoft wireless keyboard |
| 06:23.51 | RaCarter | does anyone speak this language http://members.home.nl/fedora.linux/ms-keyboard.html |
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| 06:24.22 | Nemesis^^ | RaCarter: google might.. |
| 06:24.31 | Oberjaeger | RaCarter, http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199 |
| 06:24.36 | Oberjaeger | That might help |
| 06:24.36 | dabreegster | babelfish |
| 06:24.51 | Twisted_Emotions | How do u increase Consul idle time? |
| 06:25.22 | Nemesis^^ | well google doesnt seem to thing its german.. |
| 06:25.25 | dabreegster | Twisted_Emotions: be idle and don't say stuff |
| 06:25.52 | Twisted_Emotions | like on putty i get kicked every 3-4 minutes if I'm not active.. |
| 06:25.59 | Oberjaeger | It's dutch |
| 06:26.03 | Oberjaeger | Or flemish |
| 06:26.09 | Oberjaeger | I'll ask a friend when he wakes up |
| 06:26.22 | Twisted_Emotions | dabreegster: Im trying.. but I get kicked.. help me and I can go back to being idle ;) |
| 06:26.34 | RaCarter | i was kind of being sarcastic.. no one should be translating that |
| 06:26.34 | BrianAnthony | dabreegster, Twisted_Emotions: hahaha |
| 06:26.35 | Oberjaeger | Twisted_Emotions, there's a setting somewhere in putty to stop that |
| 06:27.03 | dabreegster | Twisted_Emotions: no clue. putty should have an option to send useless commands to keep you from being kicked off |
| 06:27.11 | RaCarter | ok, is there a way to change/update the keyboard driver the kernel is using? |
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| 06:27.27 | Nemesis^^ | yep, dutch |
| 06:27.33 | cinix | how do I purge all configuration files for a package? |
| 06:27.35 | RaCarter | the keyboard is working in X, but not in text mode |
| 06:27.56 | Twisted_Emotions | Ohh okay... Seconds betweek keepalives... |
| 06:28.04 | Nemesis^^ | cinix: dpkg --purge <package> usually works |
| 06:28.09 | BrianAnthony | RaCarter: how do you start X =S |
| 06:28.43 | Oberjaeger | cinix, dpkg --purge <package_name> |
| 06:28.47 | RaCarter | gdm starts it automatically right now |
| 06:28.50 | cinix | oh cool |
| 06:28.57 | BrianAnthony | Twisted_Emotions: I think he misunderstood you =) |
| 06:29.10 | BrianAnthony | Maybe I misunderstood him. I dunno. ;) |
| 06:29.30 | aph | Hi, how can I set the keyboard rate and delay? I don't seem to have the 'kbdrate' command. |
| 06:29.42 | aph | I am running unstable. |
| 06:29.44 | Twisted_Emotions | Ohh... well.. then... |
| 06:29.47 | dabreegster | aph: that might be in the console-tools or kbd package |
| 06:29.55 | RaCarter | yeah keyboard |
| 06:30.17 | RaCarter | how do I change keyboard drivers/settings independant of X? |
| 06:30.29 | Oberjaeger | aph, it's a part of the console-tools package |
| 06:30.34 | dabreegster | RaCarter: well, kbdrate for delay & repeat. |
| 06:31.01 | dabreegster | RaCarter: I've also got a program that can execute commands on keyboard events regardless of console, x, etc |
| 06:31.02 | RaCarter | I keep getting unknown key pressed and stuff like that randomly when I type in text mode |
| 06:31.13 | dabreegster | your keymap might be bad |
| 06:31.23 | aph | Ok thanks, looks like I had the kbd package installed instead of console-tools. |
| 06:31.24 | user_ | can someone help me identify a problem with X? it logs me off after i login.... immidiatly. .xsession-errors is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/51 |
| 06:31.30 | RaCarter | possibly, I tried loadkeys us and loadkeys -d |
| 06:31.48 | RaCarter | but I was googling the error messages and it might have something to do with my microsoft wireless keyboard |
| 06:31.55 | dabreegster | I've gotta go. Good night |
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| 06:32.51 | RaCarter | load |
| 06:32.55 | RaCarter | sorry |
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| 06:33.29 | RaCarter | what happens if I type loadkeys --unicode? |
| 06:34.23 | mwilson | RaCarter: What does the man page say will happen? |
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| 06:34.42 | RaCarter | it says it will go into unicode mode |
| 06:34.46 | buhb0 | can anyone help me with getting exim4 to accept connections besides localhost? |
| 06:34.47 | BrianAnthony | RaCarter: microsoft trolls will pop out of your case and beat you with clubs =P |
| 06:35.18 | RaCarter | unicode is a standard for representing 32 bits as characters... right? |
| 06:35.19 | mwilson | RaCarter: Well, gee, then that might be what will happen, huh? |
| 06:35.27 | RaCarter | what does that have to do with my keyboard? |
| 06:35.49 | BrianAnthony | mwilson: you're mean =P |
| 06:36.10 | mwilson | BrianAnthony: If only more people were actually able to read... |
| 06:36.31 | user_ | can someone help me identify a problem with X? it logs me off after i login.... immidiatly. .xsession-errors is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/51 |
| 06:36.43 | user_ | immidaitly logs me off |
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| 06:37.04 | RaCarter | ok, i typed loadkeys -u |
| 06:37.16 | felipe_2 | user_, it can be related to your .ICEauthority |
| 06:37.16 | RaCarter | my computer is now hanging for an usually long time |
| 06:37.20 | mwilson | RaCarter: Why? |
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| 06:37.29 | RaCarter | yeah that's a good question |
| 06:37.35 | felipe_2 | make sure you have the right permissions and ownership |
| 06:37.45 | mwilson | You must have a good answer, since you're the one that did it. |
| 06:37.46 | RaCarter | I suppose it is going into unicode mode |
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| 06:37.51 | PenjejakNeraka | !/topic |
| 06:37.57 | RaCarter | maybe they meant unicorn mode |
| 06:37.59 | mwilson | Did you want it outputting unicode? |
| 06:38.11 | BrianAnthony | mwilson: I think he's trying to use Unicode because of his Microsoft keyboard |
| 06:38.11 | RaCarter | perhaps my computer is now entering a magical land of make believe etc etc |
| 06:38.16 | user_ | felipe_2 any more detialed ideas? |
| 06:38.16 | mwilson | Probably not, since you don't know what it is. |
| 06:38.24 | BrianAnthony | I don't think he has the right idea though... |
| 06:38.28 | mwilson | BrianAnthony: What does the one have to do with the other? |
| 06:38.29 | felipe_2 | nop |
| 06:38.41 | RaCarter | mwilson, that's what I was asking |
| 06:38.50 | BrianAnthony | mwilson: I just don't think he has the right idea. lol |
| 06:38.53 | felipe_2 | felipe@energy:~$ ls -al .ICEauthority |
| 06:38.54 | RaCarter | they just said do it |
| 06:38.55 | felipe_2 | -rw------- 1 felipe users 33245 2005-04-23 23:59 .ICEauthority |
| 06:39.02 | RaCarter | I'm glad I didn't ask what my electrical socket does |
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| 06:39.28 | RaCarter | they would have been like.. why don't you just stick something in it and find out |
| 06:40.14 | furrywolf | racarter: nah. they wouldn't need to say that. a linux electrical socket would run at 10,000 volts, but have no covers or insulators. |
| 06:40.21 | mwilson | No one told you to do anyting. |
| 06:40.44 | RaCarter | my keyboard is not working properly and I am very upset |
| 06:41.20 | furrywolf | racarter: perhaps you should stick something in the keyboard and find out? |
| 06:41.23 | mwilson | RaCarter: Remove whatever "adapter" you have in the cable. Do things work properly now? |
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| 06:44.00 | RaCarter | no |
| 06:44.04 | Oberjaeger | RaCarter, it sounds like a problem that I used to have with an ms keyboard. |
| 06:44.39 | Oberjaeger | I vaguely remember fixing it using a bunch of setkeycodes e003 <something> |
| 06:44.52 | Oberjaeger | <something> being a value from /usr/include/linux/input.h |
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| 06:46.32 | Oberjaeger | If you get that error when pressing, say, the "play" then try setkeycodes <whatever> 207 |
| 06:46.59 | Oberjaeger | Since 207 = KEY_PLAY in input.h |
| 06:47.59 | RaCarter | it happens when I press regular letters too |
| 06:48.46 | Oberjaeger | input.h has all the regular letters too |
| 06:49.00 | RaCarter | alright thanks |
| 06:49.08 | Oberjaeger | tbh, I can't remember if I fixed it doing that, or if it automagically fixed itself after an update |
| 06:49.37 | RaCarter | is there a keymap for ms keyboards? |
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| 06:53.53 | Oberjaeger | You could try using the scripts on that page you found |
| 06:54.20 | Oberjaeger | Assuming you have an ms wireless mmkeyboard 1.1 |
| 06:54.31 | Humanoid | xterm won't run, giving me the error "not enough ptys" |
| 06:55.15 | Oberjaeger | You compiled your own kernel? |
| 06:55.34 | Humanoid | Yeah, I compiled my own kernel. I have /dev/ptmx, as well as /dev/pty mounted. |
| 06:56.25 | Orlino | iptables currently logs to terminal, how do I change that to a real file? |
| 06:56.50 | Oberjaeger | You probably set the number of ptys too low when configuring your kernel |
| 06:57.33 | Orlino | Oberjaeger: not sure about that |
| 06:57.52 | Humanoid | Oberjaeger, I don't remember setting a number. But I do remember leaving off the option on "old style BSD ptys" that the menuconfig recommended remain off. |
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| 06:58.43 | Humanoid | Oberjaeger, From what I can read, the "new style" is to use /dev/ptmx which I have enabled in my kernel. Hmm... I guess I'll try enabling old style bsd ptys if that's the only thing xterm supports. |
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| 07:00.04 | Oberjaeger | Orlino, in /etc/init.d/klogd, add/edit the line KLOGD="-c 4" |
| 07:00.18 | user_ | can someone help me identify a problem with X? it logs me off after i login.... immidiaty logs me off. .xsession-errors is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/51 |
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| 07:01.34 | Oberjaeger | Orlino, actually, it may have been KLOGD="-c 3" |
| 07:01.54 | Oberjaeger | And don't forget to restart it after editing |
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| 07:02.01 | El_Sinior_NoNo | Hi |
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| 07:03.08 | Oberjaeger | lo |
| 07:03.28 | El_Sinior_NoNo | how can i schedule a X application ? |
| 07:03.34 | Orlino | Oberjaeger: let me try, where is it gonna log, to which file? |
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| 07:04.16 | streuner | Oberjaeger: which ISP do you use? |
| 07:04.37 | user_ | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 07:04.37 | user_ | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 07:04.37 | user_ | ksplash: cannot connect to X server :0 |
| 07:04.45 | user_ | can some one help identify what is the problem? |
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| 07:05.08 | Oberjaeger | Orlino, iirc it'll depend on your syslog.conf. Chances are that it'll still log in syslog |
| 07:05.23 | Oberjaeger | streuner, htp |
| 07:05.39 | streuner | Oberjaeger: what's that? |
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| 07:06.11 | Oberjaeger | It's a local isp in my town |
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| 07:06.34 | Orlino | Oberjaeger: I want it to log, but just to a file |
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| 07:08.05 | Oberjaeger | It'll still log to /var/log/kernlog or wherever it normally goes. -c just sets what level of kernel messages get sent to the console |
| 07:08.16 | Oberjaeger | check /etc/syslog.conf |
| 07:08.33 | Oberjaeger | You'll probably have a line like kern.* /var/log/kernel |
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| 07:08.48 | Oberjaeger | So all kernel messages, including stuff from iptables, will be logged there |
| 07:08.49 | El_Sinior_NoNo | can anyone help me please :) Is it possible to schedule a GTK application (cron) ? |
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| 07:09.23 | ledet | El_Sinior_NoNo: yes, it is possible |
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| 07:10.00 | ledet | El_Sinior_NoNo: just run it like any other program |
| 07:10.02 | Orlino | Oberjaeger: ok I see it, thanx. |
| 07:10.04 | Oberjaeger | Orlino add --log-prefix "MY_FUNKY_IPTABLES_PREFIX" to your iptables line that handles logging to be able to filter out iptables messages more easily if you want |
| 07:10.15 | ledet | El_Sinior_NoNo: but note that X should be running when it starts up |
| 07:10.16 | El_Sinior_NoNo | ohhh |
| 07:10.21 | El_Sinior_NoNo | sure |
| 07:10.33 | k0walski | how can I find out what version of debian I'm running? |
| 07:10.39 | El_Sinior_NoNo | well, i'm trying |
| 07:10.46 | Orlino | Oberjaeger: cool thanx, I am thinking I will stop logging all together |
| 07:10.57 | streuner | k0walski: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 07:11.07 | Oberjaeger | k0walski, less /etc/debian_version |
| 07:11.48 | streuner | k0walski: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
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| 07:12.17 | k0walski | the version of libc I got. |
| 07:12.22 | k0walski | 2.3.2 |
| 07:12.30 | k0walski | what's 3.1? |
| 07:12.34 | k0walski | is that sarge? |
| 07:12.34 | streuner | that's not the whole output |
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| 07:13.12 | streuner | that's could be sid too |
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| 07:13.26 | streuner | s/that's/that/ |
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| 07:14.42 | k0walski | is sid testing or development? |
| 07:15.02 | streuner | k0walski: what's the whole out of the version? |
| 07:15.13 | benjamindees | k0walski, Still In Development |
| 07:15.31 | streuner | sarge=testing, sid=unstable |
| 07:15.34 | k0walski | streuner, 2.3.2.dsl-20 |
| 07:15.39 | streuner | sarge then |
| 07:15.43 | k0walski | streuner, ahh.. so arge is pretty safe to run then.. |
| 07:16.06 | k0walski | I tried debian way in the past.. but I didn't really catch on too quick.. but man.. now I'm in love. |
| 07:16.07 | k0walski | heh |
| 07:17.23 | k0walski | what I'm really trying to figure out is why tasksel doesn't give me an option to select development enviroment.. and why I can't apt-get install openoffice. |
| 07:18.09 | streuner | dpkg info openoffice.org sarge |
| 07:18.14 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (high-quality office productivity suite), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.3-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 6712 kB, Installed size: 28944 kB |
| 07:18.34 | user_ | okay, this is very fucked up shit. if i startx from some console from some user it works fine.. however if i try to login as a user form kde login menu it immidiatly logs you off |
| 07:18.41 | streuner | !b-e k0walski |
| 07:18.42 | dpkg | k0walski: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 07:20.08 | k0walski | Is it possible to install open-office development version? |
| 07:20.22 | k0walski | 1.9 == 2.0 |
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| 07:20.36 | k0walski | I think it' still in dev.. |
| 07:20.44 | streuner | not yet, and prolly not in sarge |
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| 07:21.24 | k0walski | streuner, cool.. is there anyway I can get apt-get to install suggested packages too? |
| 07:21.33 | Oberjaeger | user_, I haven't seen an error like that since about 2001-2002. Wild stab in the dark..... xhost +localhost |
| 07:21.44 | |cA|Slasher | Hey, is there a way to do a net install of debian over PPPoE? |
| 07:22.06 | user_ | Oberjaeger says unable to open disaply "" |
| 07:22.08 | streuner | k0walski: man apt-get - man dpkg |
| 07:22.19 | streuner | k0walski: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:22.22 | cahoot | user_: first make sure you don't have any leftover .Xauthority owned by the wrong user |
| 07:22.29 | Oberjaeger | |cA|Slasher, http://people.debian.org/~blade/boot-floppies/cvs/ |
| 07:22.46 | Oberjaeger | It says boot-floppies, but they're small iso's |
| 07:23.04 | user_ | cahoot it does that with any user |
| 07:23.15 | user_ | cahoot where should i look for .Xauthority? |
| 07:23.33 | cahoot | user_: in /home/<user> |
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| 07:23.46 | |cA|Slasher | and which do i want, the woody iso just wants ip information, no way to use pppoe, (it queered up my mbr too :P) |
| 07:23.58 | user_ | cahoot no .Xauthority is owned by current user |
| 07:24.13 | Oberjaeger | |cA|Slasher, I used bootbf2_4_iso.zip |
| 07:24.55 | Oberjaeger | iirc I had to install a base system, get pppoe from the cd and then set up pppoe |
| 07:25.08 | |cA|Slasher | I'm trying to use a dsl modem plugged strait into my nic card, is that the same situation with you? |
| 07:25.13 | Oberjaeger | Don't think I managed/bothered to setup pppoe "during" the install |
| 07:25.33 | Oberjaeger | nic->modem->telephone_line |
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| 07:25.42 | |cA|Slasher | yeah, thats it :P |
| 07:26.19 | Oberjaeger | Yeah, my advice would be, chuck a base system on there, install pppoe and then download what you need |
| 07:26.44 | |cA|Slasher | So i should set up a base system from woody then set up pppoe? |
| 07:27.16 | |cA|Slasher | and what did you use to set up pppoe, the roaring penguin prog? (i never had much louck with that) |
| 07:27.25 | |cA|Slasher | luck* |
| 07:28.05 | Oberjaeger | I used pppoeconf |
| 07:28.07 | user_ | Oberjaeger no that did not help :/ |
| 07:29.04 | Oberjaeger | Are you using kde? |
| 07:29.11 | user_ | yes |
| 07:29.14 | user_ | and kdm |
| 07:29.21 | user_ | lol dont' blame me :) |
| 07:29.40 | Oberjaeger | I remember something about kde or kdm not clearing up some temp files or lock files properly....... |
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| 07:30.01 | Oberjaeger | Not sure if that gave the same error messages though |
| 07:30.11 | |cA|Slasher | One last thing, since i never used debian before, how do i get more pakages after the base system is up? |
| 07:30.13 | user_ | Oberjaeger does the same on boot |
| 07:30.25 | Oberjaeger | Also, I'm not sure *which* files you'd have to delete..... |
| 07:30.41 | streuner | user_: what version of KDE? |
| 07:30.53 | Nemesis^^ | |cA|Slasher: easiest way; `apt-get install aptitude` as root, then `aptitude` as root for a pretty package selector |
| 07:31.08 | |cA|Slasher | ooh, ty |
| 07:31.13 | Oberjaeger | |cA|Slasher, if you don't have X installed, apt-setup |
| 07:31.16 | streuner | user_: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 07:31.21 | user_ | streuner 3.3.2 |
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| 07:31.42 | user_ | streuner 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
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| 07:32.04 | mops | how can I prevent modprobing modules on startup? |
| 07:32.10 | mops | I need a kernel option for that |
| 07:32.21 | user_ | streuner http://channels.debian.net/paste/51 .xsession-error file of one of the users |
| 07:32.57 | Oberjaeger | mops, /etc/modules lists which modules will be loaded at boot time |
| 07:33.02 | |cA|Slasher | um, aam i reading the acromin right, when i do apt-get install aptitude, i'm using a program to install itself? |
| 07:33.21 | Oberjaeger | run apt-setup first |
| 07:33.27 | mops | Oberjaeger: so when I'll let it empty none will be inserted, right? |
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| 07:33.56 | Oberjaeger | |cA|Slasher, it'll gently take your hand and ask you whether to use http or ftp or something else, which country you're in and so on :) |
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| 07:34.14 | Oberjaeger | mops, hopefully.... |
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| 07:34.33 | user_ | streuner any ideas? |
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| 07:34.38 | user_ | streuner 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 07:34.40 | user_ | streuner http://channels.debian.net/paste/51 .xsession-error file of one of the users |
| 07:35.02 | |cA|Slasher | I feel like my computer is in the best of hands: Never, under no circumstances try to open these files unless you really want to destroy your system. |
| 07:35.37 | Oberjaeger | user_, just out of interest "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/45xsession: line 232: /etc/sysconfig/xsession-commands: Permission denied" What's at line 232? |
| 07:35.52 | streuner_ | user_: what are trying? just start KDE? |
| 07:36.05 | streuner_ | you* |
| 07:36.20 | user_ | Oberjaeger echoing restart_kde into the given file, i solved that by giving world writable permissions, which isn't a nice solution... but :( |
| 07:36.24 | EvilMonkey | hi, for some reason fbsetbg isn't working. its saying that it's missing an app to set wallpaper |
| 07:36.56 | user_ | streuner itstart s it fine, but when it somes to login window, and a user enters his usernane/password it logs him off immidiatly |
| 07:37.59 | streuner_ | user_: what do you use 'startx' or kdm to start KDE? |
| 07:38.07 | EvilMonkey | am I missing something? |
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| 07:38.20 | |cA|Slasher | Thank you for your help Oberjaeger, I'm gonna try it now |
| 07:38.30 | tuxyRochefort | can you tell me how to remove a gdesklets applet___without running gdesklets___ ? |
| 07:38.30 | Oberjaeger | gl |
| 07:38.31 | user_ | streuner, /etc/init.d/kdm start at boot time. if you use startx it wokrs just fine... |
| 07:39.08 | streuner_ | EvilMonkey: try 'xsetbg' |
| 07:39.43 | EvilMonkey | streuner_, didn't work |
| 07:39.54 | streuner_ | !didn't work |
| 07:39.54 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 07:40.08 | streuner_ | user_: remove kdm? |
| 07:40.45 | user_ | streuner, and how do i make xdm be the defualt one? |
| 07:40.59 | user_ | streuner, and how do you remove kdm :) sry i'm a newb |
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| 07:41.17 | streuner_ | user_: apt-get install xdm? |
| 07:41.26 | user_ | apparently it is already installed |
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| 07:44.50 | Erpo | How do I find out which packages depend on a certain package? |
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| 07:45.35 | Supaplex | is named-checkconf in woody's bind/named? |
| 07:45.44 | user_ | yes |
| 07:45.48 | user_ | xdm solved the problem |
| 07:46.23 | user_ | finaly |
| 07:47.10 | streuner_ | !tell Erpo about smart questions |
| 07:47.18 | Supaplex | nm, it's in bind9 (duh, p.d.o should have been my first stop_ |
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| 07:49.09 | streuner | Erpo: man dpkg, man apt-get, man apt-cache, man apt-file |
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| 07:50.10 | Oberjaeger | Erpo, apt-cache showpkg <package_name> |
| 07:51.06 | pandeng82 | ? |
| 07:51.16 | streuner | ! |
| 07:51.36 | Oberjaeger | ¬¬ |
| 07:52.22 | Erpo | Oberjaeger: Thanks. |
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| 07:52.42 | Erpo | Does anyone know why apt-cache showpkg and apt-cache show are seperate commands? |
| 07:53.04 | streuner | Erpo: the man page would tell you |
| 07:53.53 | streuner | !mansmite Erpo |
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| 07:56.24 | valdyn | Erpo: why not? |
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| 07:58.25 | Erpo | valdyn: Well, show and showpkg have very similar names and very similar functions. Yes? |
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| 07:59.06 | streuner | valdyn: he is too lame to read those man-pages? ;-) |
| 07:59.08 | valdyn | Erpo: well, both show information about one package. |
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| 08:00.39 | valdyn | streuner: the wording of the command(s) could make more sense |
| 08:01.09 | valdyn | streuner: not like its a big deal though.. |
| 08:01.51 | streuner | valdyn: what do you bet, if you reading the man-page about apt-cache? |
| 08:01.58 | streuner | s/you/he/ |
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| 08:03.00 | Erpo | valdyn: True. They both show the package name, version, and its dependencies. showpkg shows reverse depends, and show shows conflicts, suggestions, and other misc. info. When I look at both of these commands, it seems like someone has taken a generic "package information" command and arbitrarily split its functionality between two new commands. |
| 08:04.01 | valdyn | Erpo: showpkg seems more useful for processing in a shell script doing whatever, show for a user |
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| 08:04.22 | Erpo | valdyn: How do you mean? |
| 08:05.12 | valdyn | Erpo: how shows information that is only relevant for a human, like the package's description |
| 08:05.12 | Erpo | valdyn: Do you mean that showpkg uses an output format that's more "machine readable" than show? |
| 08:05.15 | torc | what transport does svn use for sarge by default? |
| 08:05.24 | Oberjaeger | imo, showpkg is less "human readable", but has more information for a package management system |
| 08:05.38 | valdyn | Erpo: what Oberjaeger sais |
| 08:06.10 | Oberjaeger | apt isn't going to need to know about the description when checking what dependencies are there |
| 08:06.11 | apt | that's too long, Oberjaeger |
| 08:06.22 | Oberjaeger | shut up, not talking to you |
| 08:06.24 | Oberjaeger | >:( |
| 08:06.30 | valdyn | Erpo: maybe thats the reason why someone "patched" one of both commands in, i dont know the history of apt-cache ) |
| 08:06.31 | Oberjaeger | damn bots |
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| 08:06.53 | streuner | valdyn: changelog would tell you |
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| 08:07.06 | valdyn | streuner: sure, but im not going to read it ) |
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| 08:09.34 | Erpo | Oberjaeger, valdyn: The output of both commands is basically a hash table: A name followed by a colon and a space, then a value. What if the two commands were merged? Humans would get the info they need in one place, and programs could simply ignore irrelevant "hash table" entries. The only counter-argument I could think of is that it takes more time to gather more information so programs depending on apt-cache show[pkg] might slow down....but I t |
| 08:09.34 | Erpo | hink that kind of impact would be negligible. |
| 08:10.02 | streuner | valdyn: why not? |
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| 08:10.54 | Om | Is sid stable enough to use on a personal PC, or does it crash a lot or anything? And what do you have to do to 'upgrade' from sarge to sid? |
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| 08:11.05 | Nemesis^^ | Om: I run sid on my gateway :D |
| 08:11.06 | valdyn | Erpo: that would break existing tools |
| 08:11.07 | streuner | !tell Om about sid faq |
| 08:11.29 | Nemesis^^ | Om: to date, only two problems that have caused me pain, one of them was my fault |
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| 08:11.52 | Erpo | Om: I've had good luck with sid in the past. Give it a try. :) |
| 08:11.54 | valdyn | Om: dont use sid unless you're a dev or you know debians package management tools in and out |
| 08:11.58 | streuner | Nemesis^^: you don't want recommend unstable for newbies? |
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| 08:12.24 | Oberjaeger | Always used unstable, very rarely had problems |
| 08:12.32 | Om | Hmmm, two yesses and a no :) |
| 08:12.40 | Nemesis^^ | streuner: heh, in a few occasions, sid's been more "stable" than sarge... |
| 08:12.41 | Oberjaeger | But if you're new, stick with stable for a while |
| 08:12.43 | valdyn | Om: sid packages may do "rm -rf /" ( yes that has happened ), or break in any way you can imagine |
| 08:13.01 | streuner | Nemesis^^: that could change pretty soon ;-) |
| 08:13.16 | Erpo | valdyn: lol. How did that happen? |
| 08:13.30 | SlicerDicer- | valdyn: nice! always love that rm -rf / |
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| 08:13.48 | valdyn | Erpo: someone did an ugly postrm script, dont ask me why or how |
| 08:13.58 | streuner | Om: read the URL dpkg gave you, that's the whole point |
| 08:14.00 | cahoot | Om: and you will be met with very little sympathy asking for help here if you run sid |
| 08:14.00 | Nemesis^^ | Erpo: prolly had something like rm -rf ${env} .. and forgot to set env ... |
| 08:14.35 | Nemesis^^ | cahoot: unless you've found a bug... |
| 08:14.37 | timo_ | any way to undelete files ive deleted in kde (shift del) |
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| 08:14.54 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 08:14.54 | dpkg | unix lessons is, like, (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 08:15.00 | valdyn | timo_: restore from backup if its not in kdes trash |
| 08:15.06 | streuner | timo_: read #2 |
| 08:15.28 | timo_ | its a file just downloaded |
| 08:15.37 | timo_ | and i deleted it before backup |
| 08:15.42 | valdyn | in fact undelete doesnt even work well in fat32 now, on windows nt based oses |
| 08:15.44 | Om | Thanks everyone, and I did read the URL, streuner :) |
| 08:15.45 | timo_ | its not in trash |
| 08:15.51 | Nemesis^^ | timo_: then download it again... |
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| 08:16.08 | timo_ | 1gb :/ |
| 08:16.19 | timo_ | i was just asking if there was any way to undelete it |
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| 08:16.31 | Erpo | timo_: I remember looking for an ext2 undelete program and meeting with little success. You may have better luck, but you'd probably be better off restarting your download. |
| 08:16.32 | Nemesis^^ | timo_: you've got better luck re-downloading than trying some form of disk recovery |
| 08:16.43 | timo_ | okey |
| 08:16.46 | timo_ | even with ext3? |
| 08:16.46 | racoontje | OK, I followed the howto on http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki for alsa sound, but when I open alsamixer I still get: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 08:16.53 | racoontje | I do actually have working sound |
| 08:16.58 | racoontje | So, I'm still using OSS? |
| 08:17.02 | Nemesis^^ | timo_: ext3 is ext2+journaling, incase the system falls voer and dies |
| 08:17.07 | timo_ | ok |
| 08:17.15 | valdyn | racoontje: cd /proc/asound/ |
| 08:17.32 | racoontje | valdyn: exists. OSS? |
| 08:17.50 | cahoot | racoontje: if /proc/asound/pcm is empty alsa is not running - and cannot run if you have an OSS direver loaded |
| 08:17.51 | valdyn | racoontje: no, thats an alsa directory |
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| 08:18.28 | Nemesis^^ | heh, i feel old.. i'm still in the /dev/dsp days... |
| 08:18.30 | si|vercat | hmm.. some times the booting fails at usb something.. |
| 08:18.39 | si|vercat | right before it says usbcore: already loaded :P |
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| 08:19.29 | valdyn | racoontje: "/msg dpkg alsa 2.6" |
| 08:19.32 | racoontje | valdyn: /proc/asound/pcm is empty (catted it) |
| 08:19.50 | timo_ | streuner: well i found that the cron job has already made a backup of the deleted file! :D |
| 08:20.07 | racoontje | valdyn: that's what the debian-wiki faq said, that's what I did (apt-get install alsa-utils && alsaconf) |
| 08:20.12 | Oberjaeger | You have a cron job to backup your porn? |
| 08:20.13 | Oberjaeger | cool |
| 08:20.17 | valdyn | racoontje: and alsa-base |
| 08:20.19 | Nemesis^^ | hah |
| 08:20.27 | timo_ | Oberjaeger: how did you know it was porn? |
| 08:20.29 | racoontje | alsa-base is already the newest version. |
| 08:20.44 | valdyn | racoontje: reboot now would be easieste |
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| 08:20.53 | racoontje | Wait, I have a great idea |
| 08:20.53 | SlicerDicer- | Oberjaeger: thats just crazyness |
| 08:20.56 | valdyn | racoontje: otherwise you have to manually remove the oss modules |
| 08:20.57 | cahoot | racoontje: if an OSS driver is already loaded alsa *cannot* run |
| 08:20.59 | racoontje | if I was running oss when I started |
| 08:21.05 | racoontje | that means that the oss modules are still loaded |
| 08:21.11 | racoontje | so why cant I just rmmod soundcore |
| 08:21.13 | valdyn | racoontje: correct |
| 08:21.25 | racoontje | nvm I need to reboot anyway, check my wireless startup script :D |
| 08:22.01 | racoontje | Damn windows wireless |
| 08:22.13 | racoontje | my moms box just keeps complaining 'there are other wireless networks' |
| 08:22.18 | racoontje | then it LOSES CONNECTION ffs |
| 08:22.30 | racoontje | this is with preferred AP's on |
| 08:22.31 | si|vercat | I disabled bank interleave for my memory and suddenly my ram is totally fine :P |
| 08:22.37 | si|vercat | no errors in memtest anymore |
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| 08:22.54 | racoontje | if I don't put preferred AP's on it just switches from my network to any of the five that the neighbours own |
| 08:22.59 | racoontje | :D anyway, rebooting |
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| 08:23.37 | Nemesis^^ | meanwhile i'm STILL trying to wepcrack my neighbors' wireless |
| 08:24.21 | aleksi_ | debian is for gays windows rulez lol |
| 08:24.23 | si|vercat | Nemesis^^: what kind of gear do you need for htat :P |
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| 08:24.51 | Oberjaeger | worst.troll.ever..... |
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| 08:25.04 | streuner | !ops aleksi |
| 08:25.06 | Nemesis^^ | si|vercat: .. just using a wireless card... |
| 08:25.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aleksi |
| 08:25.25 | streuner | nevemind, gone |
| 08:25.25 | si|vercat | Nemesis^^: any wireless card? :P |
| 08:26.00 | Nemesis^^ | si|vercat: sure, especially try the Broadcom ones on a non-x86 arch :P |
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| 08:27.01 | Oberjaeger | coffee, cigarettes and a jar of snickers spread. Breakfast of champions! |
| 08:28.28 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 08:30.08 | Oberjaeger | A fat, hyperactive champion who coughs a lot, but nevertheless a champion. |
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| 08:30.58 | brenden | i'm having trouble with an ebuild |
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| 08:31.10 | streuner | troll somewhere else |
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| 08:31.24 | brenden | hmm? |
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| 08:31.43 | brenden | that's not very nice. |
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| 08:32.01 | Oberjaeger | ebuilds are gentoo specific, we're all debian users. It's doubtful that we'd be able to help you |
| 08:32.19 | Oberjaeger | Unless someone has been unfaithful to the cause! |
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| 08:32.35 | streuner | gone |
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| 08:33.24 | gazzu | what is the name of a program for mix video? is it posible to do in with debian? like VJ |
| 08:33.33 | gordonjcp | any ops in here? |
| 08:33.51 | gordonjcp | morning, all, incidentally |
| 08:33.56 | simonrvn | @ops MoniTor!~WanksTa@62.29.0.232 MuRat!~DreamBoys@62.29.0.232 on-join spammers |
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| 08:34.00 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: MoniTor!~WanksTa@62.29.0.232 MuRat!~DreamBoys@62.29.0.232 on-join spammers |
| 08:34.04 | gordonjcp | simonrvn: thank you |
| 08:34.10 | helix | moo |
| 08:34.11 | helix | ok |
| 08:34.16 | simonrvn | c0w |
| 08:34.17 | gordonjcp | hey helix |
| 08:34.20 | racoontje | OK, thanks valdyn and other people that helped me |
| 08:34.20 | racoontje | it works |
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| 08:34.27 | simonrvn | hello helix. doing well? |
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| 08:34.34 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 08:34.43 | gordonjcp | thanks helix |
| 08:35.06 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
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| 08:35.23 | racoontje | Some more questions though :-) |
| 08:35.56 | Oberjaeger | As long as it's not the one about where babies come from |
| 08:36.37 | Nemesis^^ | Oberjaeger: yeh, might have to dig into timo_'s cron job... |
| 08:36.40 | simonrvn | _biovore_: do you mind turning that scrip off? |
| 08:36.40 | simonrvn | t |
| 08:36.44 | simonrvn | hehe, bot-boy =) |
| 08:36.53 | racoontje | 1) Would it be possible to go tell menu to screw itself? I'd like to make my own flux menus. The easy way seems to be to kill the script that builds the menu files |
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| 08:37.23 | racoontje | perhaps apt-get remove menu |
| 08:37.54 | michal__ | anyone here ever heard of the efence library? i can't see it in debian but something i am building wants it |
| 08:37.54 | racoontje | michal__: sounds E'ish. what does it ddo? |
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| 08:38.17 | Oberjaeger | rings a bell |
| 08:38.29 | Oberjaeger | isn't efence some kind of intrusion detection system? |
| 08:38.43 | Nemesis^^ | google reckons its a malloc debugger |
| 08:38.46 | gordonjcp | yeah |
| 08:38.55 | gordonjcp | it's for detecting stack smashes |
| 08:39.04 | Nemesis^^ | cant imagine why a package would want it |
| 08:39.05 | gordonjcp | and such things |
| 08:39.07 | michal__ | hmm.. wonder why it's not in debian |
| 08:39.16 | Dashiva | hmm... DPL election and election of a new pope...coincidence? |
| 08:39.20 | gordonjcp | Nemesis^^: 'cos memory handling in C sucks donkey balls? |
| 08:40.49 | Oberjaeger | michal__, it's called electric-fence |
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| 08:41.05 | michal__ | Oberjaeger, ahh! thanks |
| 08:41.13 | Oberjaeger | np |
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| 08:44.05 | cleverAlf | sorry but grub is not making sence to me.. :-( ... Good friend and fellow linux user just installed sarge on a new 160gig disk... prior to install moved old 60gig to ide channel 1 and put new one on channel 0... Install did not find the mdk and win2k on the old drive... now needs to manually update grub menu.lst... any good howto's (better than grub docs)?? |
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| 08:45.32 | |cA|Slasher | hey, i'm trying to set up pppoe and when I try to start it it says device couldn't be found (the nic card is installed) |
| 08:46.08 | Oberjaeger | by installed, do you mean physically or that it's recognised and configured? |
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| 08:47.11 | |cA|Slasher | the driver is installed (of course physicaly) and I don't know how much configuration i could do |
| 08:47.24 | |cA|Slasher | and it does come up as eth0 |
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| 08:47.36 | helix | |cA|Slasher: which kernel is this? |
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| 08:48.09 | |cA|Slasher | there's a good chance it's 2.2 |
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| 08:48.30 | helix | upgrade your kernel and try again. I had similar issues with 2.2, but 2.4 worked fine |
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| 08:48.38 | helix | (other times it would do insane things like detect three NICs) |
| 08:49.12 | |cA|Slasher | I used the boot disk Oberjaeger linked me to |
| 08:49.20 | MyNameIsChris | Hello, does anyone know where I can grab Debian patched kernel sources via http? |
| 08:49.24 | |cA|Slasher | does sarge have it's own boot disk? |
| 08:49.26 | helix | |cA|Slasher: so a woody install? |
| 08:49.28 | helix | |cA|Slasher: yes |
| 08:49.32 | helix | !d-i |
| 08:49.32 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 08:49.41 | helix | |cA|Slasher: ^ |
| 08:49.54 | Oberjaeger | |cA|Slasher, sorry, forgot to tell you that you should choose the installbf24 option :\ |
| 08:50.07 | |cA|Slasher | t3h shiny :) |
| 08:50.14 | |cA|Slasher | (i think i did couse that one |
| 08:50.28 | |cA|Slasher | let me check my downloads |
| 08:50.28 | helix | MyNameIsChris: the sources are in the debian archive |
| 08:50.47 | helix | MyNameIsChris: apt-cache search kernel-source |
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| 08:51.10 | |cA|Slasher | i got bootbf2_4_iso.zip |
| 08:51.18 | MyNameIsChris | helix: but I was wondering where I could get them through http? |
| 08:51.44 | helix | umm, http://http.us.debian.org/ |
| 08:51.51 | helix | buried in there |
| 08:52.08 | MyNameIsChris | helix, I thought I would ask before searching. Thanks |
| 08:52.18 | helix | np |
| 08:52.25 | gordonjcp | MyNameIsChris: search, *then* ask... ;-) |
| 08:52.34 | gordonjcp | seek and ye shall find |
| 08:52.51 | helix | eh, for a question like that, asking's not really a big deal |
| 08:53.03 | gordonjcp | helix: yeah |
| 08:53.05 | MyNameIsChris | gordonjcp, But I thought someone might have just known |
| 08:53.06 | |cA|Slasher | ok, i'm gonna try d-i, I hope it works better |
| 08:53.09 | gordonjcp | it's not entirely obvious |
| 08:53.11 | gordonjcp | MyNameIsChris: yup |
| 08:53.30 | gordonjcp | sometimes it's actually easier for all concerned if people ask something simple but not totally obvious |
| 08:53.36 | helix | yes |
| 08:53.37 | MyNameIsChris | The search tools here seem broken: http://www.au.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 08:53.44 | gordonjcp | rather than google for half-truths and things that are no longer really applicable |
| 08:53.56 | gordonjcp | tell you what I've had problems finding out about though |
| 08:54.08 | gordonjcp | webcal sources in Evolution |
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| 08:54.19 | gordonjcp | are there any Evolution gurus about? |
| 08:54.25 | helix | have you pestered #evolution on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 08:54.42 | gordonjcp | not yet - but that's exactly the kind of pointer I'm looking for |
| 08:54.53 | helix | yeah, they're pretty helpful :) |
| 08:54.53 | MyNameIsChris | Oh, you cannot have two keywords. |
| 08:55.09 | gordonjcp | helix: I'm just installing sid, I'll wait until I've tried it first |
| 08:55.21 | helix | gordonjcp: tried evolution? |
| 08:55.28 | helix | or tried... something else? :) |
| 08:55.36 | gordonjcp | helix: tried evolution |
| 08:55.43 | helix | it's a wonder it even installs |
| 08:55.45 | gordonjcp | in case it's different from Ubuntu evolution |
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| 08:55.50 | gordonjcp | ah, it's a sack of shit then? |
| 08:56.01 | helix | no, it just has a massive amount of dependencies |
| 08:56.11 | gordonjcp | helix: I noticed it scroll past as the desktop environment is installing |
| 08:56.14 | helix | it has been a while since I used it, but I recall thinking it was a nice MUA |
| 08:56.20 | gordonjcp | yeah |
| 08:56.25 | helix | yeah, it comes with the gnome metapackage |
| 08:56.26 | gordonjcp | I use web calendars quite a bit |
| 08:56.38 | helix | ugh, don't get me started on calendars |
| 08:56.40 | gordonjcp | my gf and I keep track of what each other are doing with them |
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| 08:57.12 | helix | aiui, there's some kind of support for evolution to export to some kind of web calendar format, but I really don't know if that's true |
| 08:57.19 | helix | or how it works, if it is |
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| 08:58.19 | helix | I'd love a really basic calendar backend which you could trivially throw gtk/web/whatever frontends on |
| 08:58.39 | helix | standalone, anyway. no MUA attached. |
| 08:58.54 | helix | (though the option to configure it for use with your MTA would be nice) |
| 08:58.59 | MyNameIsChris | I found it, woohoo |
| 08:59.03 | helix | maybe someone will write it for me for my birthday next year |
| 08:59.12 | helix | if I don't have time to do it myself :) |
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| 09:00.07 | helix | MyNameIsChris: yay :) |
| 09:00.27 | tarzeau | helix: monolithic as in incosistent? |
| 09:00.37 | helix | eh? |
| 09:00.41 | MyNameIsChris | helix, now 1.5 hours until it is downloaded |
| 09:00.49 | helix | MyNameIsChris: are you on dialup? |
| 09:00.54 | gordonjcp | dammit |
| 09:00.58 | MyNameIsChris | helix, Close |
| 09:01.04 | helix | bummer |
| 09:01.05 | MyNameIsChris | helix, single channel ISDN |
| 09:01.08 | MyNameIsChris | 64k |
| 09:01.09 | gordonjcp | I didn't pick "Desktop Environment" in tasksel, and went to bed |
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| 09:01.50 | helix | heh, people use tasksel? |
| 09:02.02 | helix | I guess people use dselect too... |
| 09:02.52 | dondelelcaro | aptitude supports tasksel as well... |
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| 09:03.23 | idc | hi |
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| 09:03.30 | idc | can anyone help me please ? |
| 09:03.34 | tbbw | hello and greetings guys ^^ |
| 09:03.46 | streuner | !tell idc about ask |
| 09:03.47 | MyNameIsChris | helix, That was nice of you |
| 09:03.53 | helix | I try |
| 09:03.55 | tbbw | i got a belkin pcmcia card for my laptop |
| 09:04.14 | tbbw | when i googled for a while it says i suld use 8139too module |
| 09:04.17 | idc | I just installed debian 3.0 r0,should i do apt-get dist-upgrade now ? |
| 09:04.33 | idc | I saw some packages are available by that |
| 09:04.39 | helix | idc: yes -- but do you want to use stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 09:04.42 | tbbw | only thing is in the 2.4.* kernel ( the bf24 ) the driver is compiled into the kernel |
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| 09:04.53 | tbbw | and the card dont load for some reson |
| 09:04.56 | idc | helix: in source.list,it's stable |
| 09:04.59 | helix | idc: either way, yes, dist-upgrade will upgrade all your packages |
| 09:05.09 | helix | and if you're on r0, you need to do so :) |
| 09:05.22 | idc | dist-upgrade will upgrade all the packages that have been installed previously ? |
| 09:05.38 | helix | tbbw: does ifconfig list the card? (eth0 or so) |
| 09:05.54 | helix | idc: yeah |
| 09:05.55 | tbbw | no |
| 09:06.02 | tbbw | thats the problem no eth0 |
| 09:06.04 | helix | tbbw: oh |
| 09:06.14 | idc | i see, helix,would you tell me which command to check RAM usage ? |
| 09:06.17 | helix | what does lspci say about the card? |
| 09:06.19 | helix | idc: free |
| 09:06.27 | idc | got it |
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| 09:07.22 | idc | hmm ,should is witch to 'testing' i dont know |
| 09:07.30 | idc | switch* |
| 09:07.49 | tbbw | lspci: |
| 09:07.50 | tbbw | pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci/02/00.0 |
| 09:07.55 | tbbw | lspci: Unable to read 64 bytes of configuration space. |
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| 09:09.04 | streuner | idc: desktop or server? |
| 09:09.17 | tbbw | aah it was a error with hotplug and pcmcia-cs messing with lspci |
| 09:09.18 | chari | hola!! |
| 09:09.29 | idc | will be a server,yup,that is why i just had windows removed from this computer completely :D |
| 09:09.47 | idc | hey,now i only have debian staying on my comp :) |
| 09:09.49 | streuner | use stable then |
| 09:09.59 | idc | okay |
| 09:10.12 | streuner | if you only want to play with it, just upgrade to sarge |
| 09:10.28 | idc | it will be a server :) |
| 09:10.28 | tyu | can any tell me.. before i add a parition to a volume.. to i have to compltely nuke the drive? |
| 09:10.41 | tyu | ^do i |
| 09:11.34 | tbbw | tyu: partition magic can rezise it :P |
| 09:11.58 | idc | brb,reboot |
| 09:12.03 | idc | clear |
| 09:12.08 | tbbw | now i can lspci ( and i rebooted ) but i get no eth0 |
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| 09:12.55 | tbbw | any way to tell the laptop to use the 8139too module ( compiled into the kernel ) with this belkin pcmcia card? |
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| 09:15.07 | tbbw | okey this is strange |
| 09:15.18 | tbbw | when i have pcmcia-cs packet installed lspci dont work |
| 09:15.42 | tbbw | and i cant install the belkin card with 8138too :/ |
| 09:15.48 | tyu | when i do a check on a disk after i have made it a volume.. and copied data onto it.. i sometimes get errors |
| 09:15.50 | tbbw | man i realy need help with this one |
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| 09:15.56 | tyu | i unmount the drive when it seems necessary |
| 09:16.08 | tyu | any clues why? |
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| 09:16.15 | El_Sinior_NoNo | Hi |
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| 09:17.27 | Wilf | anyone know how mto get 5.1 surround sound working? |
| 09:18.15 | MyNameIsChris | Wilf, When you find out tell me |
| 09:18.24 | El_Sinior_NoNo | I need some help with crontab please. I have inserted a new line in /etc/crontab but it doesn't work :( Script alone works very well but is not launched by my crontab ! |
| 09:18.28 | MyNameIsChris | Wilf, I can get it working for certain apps but not everything |
| 09:18.46 | Wilf | amarok by any chance? |
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| 09:19.35 | MyNameIsChris | Wilf, no |
| 09:19.57 | MyNameIsChris | I can pipe mpg123 to aplay. And to an extent xine |
| 09:20.02 | MyNameIsChris | That is it |
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| 09:20.31 | Wilf | *sigh* |
| 09:20.42 | patrick | helllo |
| 09:20.43 | xxenon | I have a weird behaviour in X (KDE) here. Every single (quick) click on my USB mouse is handled as a double click...any clue ? |
| 09:20.47 | El_Sinior_NoNo | anyone ? |
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| 09:24.36 | drac | xxenon: Try changing mouse protocol? What are you using now? grep -i protocol /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 09:25.19 | idc | my mouse is connected to the USB port,so it should be /dev/psaux ? |
| 09:25.28 | drac | idc: /dev/input/mice |
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| 09:26.32 | idc | oh |
| 09:26.49 | idc | so /dev/psaux is for non-USB mouse ? |
| 09:26.51 | drac | idc: PS/2 mouse in 2.6 is also /dev/input/mice |
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| 09:27.22 | drac | /dev/psaux is being deprecated totally. It's just there for backwards compability in some 2.6 kernels. |
| 09:27.23 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 09:27.24 | dpkg | methinks debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 09:27.28 | idc | ok,thanks |
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| 09:28.06 | resiak | El_Sinior_NoNo: What was the line you inserted? |
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| 09:28.48 | poonj | hey guys...I'm using gnome 2.0. Is it possible to change the menubars/theme to an appearance that looks like a Macintosh desktop? |
| 09:29.50 | poonj | forget it..found it |
| 09:29.52 | poonj | thanks |
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| 09:30.22 | idc | hmm,where should i put in exec wmaker ? |
| 09:30.29 | idc | in ~/.xinitrc ? |
| 09:30.31 | tarzeau | idc: in .xsession |
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| 09:30.45 | idc | tarzeau: really ? i use startx though that works ? |
| 09:30.49 | resiak | idc: That depends on how you're starting X. |
| 09:30.58 | idc | startx |
| 09:30.59 | tarzeau | idc: yes |
| 09:31.05 | idc | ok |
| 09:31.31 | deb_it_ | does anyone know i can configure wireless network on my laptop? how can i let debian recognize authomatically that network? (network works, i have all ip) |
| 09:32.17 | resiak | deb_it_: You add an entry to /etc/network/interfaces . But do you mean "automatically recognise _any_ wireless network, that is, with different ssids"? |
| 09:32.31 | idc | it says 'no screen found' |
| 09:32.40 | resiak | idc: What does it say higher up than that. |
| 09:32.50 | idc | hmm..wait please |
| 09:32.51 | El_Sinior_NoNo | 30 11 * * * root /etc/init.d/bfv start > /var/log/cron_bfv.log |
| 09:32.52 | tarzeau | idc: x configured wrongly |
| 09:33.06 | El_Sinior_NoNo | resiak: 30 11 * * * root /etc/init.d/bfv start > /var/log/cron_bfv.log |
| 09:33.15 | idc | EE:screen found,but none have an usable configuration |
| 09:33.23 | deb_it_ | resiak, i mean, that laptop sees finds the network (it is the firdst time trying to configure it, and i am connecting with windows now, that when i turn on pc says "found wireless network", without doind anything) |
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| 09:33.48 | idc | by the way,are you sure an USB mouse should be /dev/input/mice ? |
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| 09:33.54 | El_Sinior_NoNo | resiak: nothing happens with this line :( |
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| 09:35.01 | resiak | idc: modprobe plugdev; try again. |
| 09:35.52 | idc | cant locate moudle plugdev |
| 09:36.08 | resiak | idc: Sorry, mousedev. Too early in the morning... |
| 09:36.19 | resiak | deb_it_: If you add an entry to /etc/network/interfaces, you can make that interface come up on boot. This'll only work for that one ssid. |
| 09:36.24 | resiak | El_Sinior_NoNo: Don't /msg me, please. |
| 09:36.38 | idc | cant locate moudle mouse dev |
| 09:36.52 | resiak | El_Sinior_NoNo: Did you use crontab -e to edit that crontab, out of interest? |
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| 09:37.36 | resiak | idc: ...oh. Read up in your X errors for the first EE line? |
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| 09:37.58 | deb_it_ | resiak, so i do like a normal network? (i have an ip like 192.168....) |
| 09:38.11 | El_Sinior_NoNo | resiak: no, i'm using vi |
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| 09:38.14 | resiak | deb_it_: Yeah, you do, but you add a few extra lines for the wireless bits. |
| 09:38.28 | resiak | El_Sinior_NoNo: Try using crontab -e to edit the file. |
| 09:38.54 | deb_it_ | resiak, like? what should i add? do you have a link where i can find what to add? |
| 09:38.54 | El_Sinior_NoNo | resiak: ok, but it will create a crontab per user no ? |
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| 09:39.15 | resiak | El_Sinior_NoNo: Sorry, forget I said that. >) |
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| 09:40.00 | resiak | El_Sinior_NoNo: Does nothing show up in the log for that program? |
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| 09:40.21 | idc | The first EE line ?how do i roll back ? |
| 09:40.22 | resiak | deb_it_: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 09:40.29 | resiak | idc: Shift-PgUp |
| 09:40.36 | El_Sinior_NoNo | resiak: no, it seems that the line isn't used |
| 09:40.51 | resiak | El_Sinior_NoNo: TBH, I'm no expert in crontabs. Sorry. |
| 09:40.53 | idc | it doesn't work |
| 09:41.15 | deb_it_ | resiak, ok, thank you. i'll try |
| 09:41.23 | resiak | idc: ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 09:41.27 | El_Sinior_NoNo | resiak: where are stored the per user crontabs? |
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| 09:41.44 | resiak | El_Sinior_NoNo: /var somewhere, I think. |
| 09:41.47 | idc | resiak: no such file |
| 09:42.17 | idc | there wans't a.xsession ,either,but i just created one manually |
| 09:42.23 | idc | wasn't |
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| 09:43.07 | resiak | idc: Run startx again, then, I guess, and hope the error doesn't scroll off the screen, or use startx 2>badger; less badger (if this stuff is spewed out on STDERR, which makes sense). |
| 09:43.52 | idc | ok |
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| 09:45.07 | bluecow | i'm having trouble with x-forwarding over ssh |
| 09:45.14 | resiak | !tell bluecow -about sshx |
| 09:46.04 | idc | there is only one EE line |
| 09:46.07 | idc | hmm |
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| 09:49.34 | |cA|Slasher | ok, I just used D-I with the 2.5 kernel and it still says "device not found" this time it doesn't spam it though, I have to type in "ifconfig ppp0" |
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| 09:50.00 | systems | hmmm |
| 09:50.03 | |cA|Slasher | (ifconfig eth0 works though) |
| 09:51.17 | |cA|Slasher | 2.6 kernel that should say up there |
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| 09:53.28 | idc | in .xsession i put in 'exec wmaker' right ? |
| 09:53.50 | idc | strange,i used to get X working no problem at all,easy as pie,but not this time |
| 09:53.52 | tarzeau | what's the hp parisch channel again? |
| 09:54.10 | idc | same hardwares,same distro |
| 09:54.28 | idc | it says 'no screen found' |
| 09:54.41 | onre | that means the server can't start. |
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| 09:54.54 | onre | so .xsession is farther away, it never gets there. |
| 09:55.39 | bluecow | hmm, i followed the sshx instructions, but i get "can't open display" when trying to run an app. could it be something to do with this line (ssh -Xv output): arning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. |
| 09:55.47 | onre | the server log file /var/log/XFree86.0.log is supposed to have some information about the matter. |
| 09:56.06 | onre | bluecow, echo $DISPLAY. if you get nothing, check if there's xauth installed on remote machine |
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| 09:56.44 | bluecow | $DISPLAY is blank but xauth is installed |
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| 09:57.12 | onre | and there is xauth on your machine? |
| 09:57.14 | pgquiles | hi |
| 09:57.27 | bluecow | xauth is on both |
| 09:57.28 | resiak | !no screen found |
| 09:57.33 | resiak | !no screens found |
| 09:57.33 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 09:57.46 | pgquiles | I upgraded my Debian unstable, now there's something wrong. I firstly upgraded my KDE to 3.4.0 and everything ran OK. Then I upgraded my XFree86 and now it seems the X server does not know it has to execute KDE after it starts. Any idea what's wrong? :-? |
| 09:57.52 | pgquiles | (if I run startx -e startkde it starts KDE) |
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| 09:58.46 | tarzeau | is there any authors of the http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ here? |
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| 09:59.01 | tarzeau | can we state a license on the content? i am being asked by translators for a license |
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| 09:59.18 | onre | bluecow, rather odd. "always worked for me" doesn't help much but that's really all i can say |
| 09:59.22 | resiak | pgquiles: So you mean you installed unofficial KDE debs? |
| 09:59.46 | bluecow | would it have anything to do with ~/.Xauthority? |
| 10:00.00 | bluecow | or is that handled automatically by ssh -X |
| 10:00.11 | onre | bluecow, more than likely. xauth list... it should be handled automagically, yes. |
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| 10:00.40 | planxa | hola |
| 10:00.45 | idc | can i remove /etc/X11/XFree86-config4 ? |
| 10:00.49 | bluecow | the computer im trying to display to has an empty .Xauthority |
| 10:00.54 | resiak | idc: FTLOG, man, no! |
| 10:00.58 | idc | the redo dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:01.00 | benjamindees | pgquiles, possibly ~/.xinitrc got overwritten |
| 10:01.04 | resiak | !xmd5 |
| 10:01.05 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 10:01.31 | pgquiles | benjamindees I think you are right, I do not even have a .xinitrc :-/ |
| 10:01.41 | idc | i see |
| 10:01.55 | idc | but i uesd to get X work no problem ,:( |
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| 10:02.32 | idc | i mean it used to very easy to configure X on my hardwares |
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| 10:04.38 | idc | i do not have such file in /var/lib/xfree86 |
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| 10:05.19 | drac | idc: It doesn't matter, that line creates it. 8) |
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| 10:05.31 | idc | ok,wait |
| 10:06.51 | idc | drac: are you sure ? |
| 10:06.58 | idc | i tried,it says 'no such file' |
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| 10:07.33 | warhead | Hello |
| 10:08.20 | idc | drac: if there isnt such file,how can you use > to try to write in it ? |
| 10:08.23 | idc | impossible |
| 10:08.24 | warhead | I find program for write on ntfs ,I use Paragon. |
| 10:08.30 | idc | hmm |
| 10:08.37 | paulswm | idc: Start at the second command in the instructions, after "To fix this" |
| 10:08.41 | warhead | Paragon is not free :-( |
| 10:08.51 | drac | idc: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 && md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
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| 10:09.01 | drac | It will work(tm) |
| 10:09.04 | idc | paulswm: i just did,but it says 'no such file in /var/...... |
| 10:09.20 | paulswm | idc: Yeah, I just reread the instructions :P |
| 10:09.46 | broke | my system only gives me segmentation fault when I overflow the buffer... how can I get it to dump the core ? |
| 10:10.17 | onre | broke, depends on your shell. limit coredumpsize unlimited on zsh. don't know about bash. manual page probably knows. |
| 10:10.25 | alfatau | hi, i'm not able to get my external usb drive or key mountable. i'm running kernel 2.6.10, with latest acpi patch because i'm running it on a recent asus laptop, so if i wouldn't compile from scratch a more updated kernel then 2.6.8 one given into debian sarge, i can't get my battery and cpu frequency scaling working. however i simply used the same kernel config file installed in /boot by debian installer by default, and then i added the feat |
| 10:10.29 | idc | drac: same,no such file |
| 10:10.30 | alfatau | ures i needed. With 2.6.8 one usb storage perhiperals could be mounted and used, and with newer kernel compiled from scratch they didn't. However usbmouse works well and graphic pen too. could you help me please? thanks a lot |
| 10:10.55 | warhead | I have litle problem, when I start eg. xmms I have small menu fonts, how to set fonts eg. normal size? |
| 10:11.28 | paulswm | broke: man bash, ulimit |
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| 10:11.40 | pgquiles | re |
| 10:12.23 | resiak | idc: A file doesn't have to exist to use > to it. |
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| 10:12.30 | idc | who can help me ? startx says 'No screen found' |
| 10:12.43 | resiak | idc: There is an error, higher up. |
| 10:13.05 | idc | but it just say no such file |
| 10:13.23 | idc | yeah, startx 2> /tmp/error however it worked |
| 10:13.25 | idc | no idea |
| 10:13.37 | pgquiles | now my KDE works if a make a console login, but if I use kdm, it never starts KDE (it returns to the KDM screen). Any idea? |
| 10:14.16 | pgquiles | idc: why don't you look at /var/log/xfree86.0.log? |
| 10:14.19 | idc | resiak: where ? |
| 10:14.24 | |cA|Slasher | So does anyone know how to get pppoe to work with the installer, mine keeps saying device not found? |
| 10:14.30 | broke | thanks guys |
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| 10:15.46 | idc | im checking |
| 10:15.53 | idc | what does the WW line stand for ? |
| 10:16.26 | onre | warning. |
| 10:16.50 | |cA|Slasher | i guess that's a no... |
| 10:17.51 | idc | i have only one line is marked as EE,read as 'screen found but none have an usable configuration' fatal error : no screen found |
| 10:18.03 | jez | I'm trying to replace/remove software on my system in order to improve performance. Can anyone tell me whether replacing Exim with something more lightweight would be at all worthwhile? The MTA isn't getting used at all except by cron etc.. |
| 10:18.05 | resiak | !no screens found |
| 10:18.05 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
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| 10:18.42 | idc | I said i only have ONE LINE EE thing |
| 10:18.58 | resiak | idc: SO DO WHAT THE FACTOID SAYS |
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| 10:19.12 | sunrise | hi all |
| 10:19.24 | jez | idc: "none have an usable configuration" - that's the important bit I'm guessing |
| 10:19.27 | warhead | sunrise: Hi |
| 10:19.33 | sunrise | did someone here converted XML SGML pages to man with docbook2x ? |
| 10:19.48 | |cA|Slasher | There should be a log somewhere detailing what exploded, it'll at least say no screen found for at least 3 more displays |
| 10:19.57 | idc | more /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE |
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| 10:20.25 | idc | jez: but i used to configure X in this way ,never had problem |
| 10:20.27 | resiak | idc: I strongly suspect it's your mouse. apt-get install mdetect, run it, move your mouse about a bit, try again :) |
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| 10:20.35 | sanxiyn | !info sdate |
| 10:20.52 | idc | same monitor,same video card,mouse,same debian destro along with the same release number |
| 10:21.27 | idc | resiak: ok,please wait |
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| 10:22.15 | idc | resiak: says /dev/psaus |
| 10:22.24 | idc | intellimouse |
| 10:22.52 | idc | strange,in X configure,i have specified mouse as in /dev/input/mice |
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| 10:23.11 | idc | oh,wait |
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| 10:25.27 | idc | resiak: i ran mdetect,but it says /dev/psaux,why ? |
| 10:25.50 | idc | isnt /dev/psaux for non-USB mouse in kernel 2.2.x ? |
| 10:25.53 | resiak | idc: Try specifying that in d-r x-x. |
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| 10:26.13 | idc | resiak: why ? i never need to do that before ,it worked fine |
| 10:26.31 | resiak | idc: Did you run modprobe mousedev as root? Are you on a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:26.40 | idc | resiak: or,i dont have USB moudle in kernel ? |
| 10:26.46 | idc | i did a basic install from CD |
| 10:27.07 | idc | resiak: 2.2 woody r 5 |
| 10:27.08 | resiak | idc: I've _always_ found that modprobe mousedev helps things along, but that's probably just me :) |
| 10:27.11 | resiak | Oh |
| 10:27.11 | resiak | Woody |
| 10:27.20 | resiak | FTLOG, man, why are you using Woody as a desktop? |
| 10:27.26 | idc | resiak: no, run modprobe mousedev found nothing |
| 10:27.54 | idc | because i only got the CD of woody r0 |
| 10:28.00 | idc | just did a dist-upgrade |
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| 10:28.06 | idc | Linux IDC 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown |
| 10:28.14 | resiak | idc: You upgraded to Sarge? |
| 10:28.19 | idc | no |
| 10:28.20 | resiak | idc: Or just dist-upgraded Woody? |
| 10:28.24 | resiak | idc: Is this a desktop system? |
| 10:28.28 | idc | in sourse list it points to stable |
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| 10:28.39 | idc | i plan to configure it as a server later on |
| 10:28.51 | idc | that why i would stick with stable release |
| 10:28.56 | resiak | idc: A world-facing server? |
| 10:28.57 | drac | X on server.. ?-o |
| 10:29.03 | resiak | drac: Yes, exactly. |
| 10:29.11 | idc | ? |
| 10:29.16 | Dabian | drac: Nobody says you have to allow tcp/ip and run X all the time. |
| 10:29.25 | idc | irc server basically,few http thing |
| 10:29.31 | resiak | idc: In any case, look: you'll be far better off with Sarge. |
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| 10:29.48 | resiak | idc: Subscribe to debian-security-announce, and install Sarge. |
| 10:29.50 | resiak | !d-i idc |
| 10:29.51 | dpkg | idc, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:29.54 | Dabian | resiak: Don't recommend sarge for a server. |
| 10:30.07 | idc | resiak: if you are using an USB mouse connecting to the USB port,do you have to have the USB support compied in kernel ? |
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| 10:30.12 | Anders1 | Dabian: why not? |
| 10:30.13 | drac | Sarge is great for servers, been using it also in production ones. |
| 10:30.20 | idc | i think so,now in my matter,how do i check if i have that in kernel or no ? |
| 10:30.27 | Anders1 | yes indeed - woody is _very_ stable |
| 10:30.29 | Dabian | Anders1: A server needs security, and sarge is lacking security. |
| 10:30.31 | idc | im started guessing i missed it |
| 10:30.34 | drac | Woody is a bit old, and there is a lot of security problems with old software not even debian security is aware of. |
| 10:30.45 | Anders1 | Dabian: Sarge is quite stable too infact |
| 10:30.47 | Dabian | drac: Then you should report it. |
| 10:30.48 | Anders1 | (and secure) |
| 10:30.49 | drac | So, for security, I personally prefer sarge. |
| 10:31.01 | Dabian | Anders1: If you say so... |
| 10:31.09 | Dabian | drac: You're kidding. |
| 10:31.14 | drac | I am not. |
| 10:31.15 | resiak | Dabian: d-s-a. But in any case, in this case, he's worrying about a USB mouse. Woody's just not going to work.# |
| 10:31.22 | idc | how do i check if have USB compiled into Kernel ? |
| 10:31.32 | resiak | Dabian: (In general, for him. He'll be back in a day asking why GNOME is so old.) |
| 10:31.39 | resiak | idc: You install a 2.4 kernel. |
| 10:31.40 | Anders1 | lol |
| 10:31.43 | idc | well,i have an USB-PS/2 convitor i will get to use it now |
| 10:31.51 | Dabian | resiak: He should get an USB->ps2 converter then. |
| 10:31.54 | resiak | idc: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 |
| 10:32.02 | idc | Dabian: i ahve it,wait |
| 10:32.11 | resiak | idc: Okay, ignore what I said. Stick with Woody, install that kernel-image, reboot with it, use your USB->PS/2 converter. |
| 10:32.24 | resiak | Dabian: *shrug* ^^ |
| 10:32.37 | Dabian | resiak: :) |
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| 10:33.01 | idc | resiak: no,let me first try to swich to PS/2, |
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| 10:33.08 | resiak | idc: DO NOT HOTPLUG PS/2! |
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| 10:33.18 | resiak | Dabian: When there are questions about why GNOME/PHP/Apache is so old, etc, you can deal with them. :) |
| 10:33.20 | idc | i am guessing its very likely i do not have USB support in kernel now |
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| 10:33.33 | resiak | idc: You should install that kernel image in any case. |
| 10:33.38 | idc | resiak: i know,thanks,so be right back |
| 10:33.51 | idc | configure kernel is gonna be another charllenge sorry |
| 10:33.51 | Dabian | resiak: I can answer at once, its because he is using a stable server. ;) |
| 10:33.54 | idc | for me,i meant,brb |
| 10:33.56 | Dabian | resiak: Stable == Old. |
| 10:33.59 | sanxiyn | Epos seems to be very nice... compared to Festival. |
| 10:34.35 | resiak | Dabian: "But I want newer versions... How do I get them?" |
| 10:34.46 | Dabian | resiak: You dont ;) |
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| 10:35.09 | Anders1 | Dabian: if you need newer software you need sarge |
| 10:35.10 | Dabian | resiak: You wait for sarge to release, then you wait a little more for it to prove stable, then you plan the upgrade. |
| 10:35.12 | resiak | Dabian: "OMG Debain si teh 0ld... Why not?" |
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| 10:35.36 | shinu | hey! |
| 10:35.42 | Anders1 | Dabian: but if its required for it to be _extremely_ stable, it should run Woody |
| 10:35.43 | resiak | Dabian: I'm being this guy in a week's time. I run Sarge on what I laughingly call a server, and d-s-a is my friend. |
| 10:35.52 | Dabian | resiak: If you want insecure, then go with red hat or another distribution who do not care. Or .. go with SID, and do the work. |
| 10:36.10 | shinu | whats the command for switching off gdm at a specific runlevel? |
| 10:36.12 | sanxiyn | Well, I think there's really no reason to go for Sid instead of Sarge. |
| 10:36.20 | Dabian | resiak: You could go SID .. security updates makes it faster to SID: |
| 10:36.21 | sanxiyn | At least for now. |
| 10:36.26 | Oberjaeger | How about running woody and using apt-pinning to get newer stuff that you really need? |
| 10:36.34 | Oberjaeger | Where shiny != need |
| 10:36.36 | Anders1 | Dabian: newer does not necessarily mean extremely unstable |
| 10:36.38 | jc-denton | does anybody here use the package "kodos" on sid? |
| 10:36.54 | Dabian | Anders1: It means "maybe unstable". |
| 10:37.03 | Dabian | Anders1: Old means tested. |
| 10:37.09 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: I don't write regex long enough to use an editor :-) |
| 10:37.21 | jc-denton | well it's seems to be broken |
| 10:37.22 | Dabian | Anders1: Thats why testing is called testing, because thats what it is .. we're testing if its any good. |
| 10:37.28 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: Oh, is it...? |
| 10:37.34 | jc-denton | but i can't figure out what the prob is |
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| 10:37.57 | Anders1 | Dabian: indeed - however my point is that you can run sarge on a production stable without any issues... just make sure you secure it |
| 10:38.02 | resiak | Dabian: No, there is no way I'll upgrade it to Sid. I install packages from Sid as per d-s-a, but there is no way I want my entire system running on that stuff. Hell, even my workstation works like that. |
| 10:38.02 | |cA|Slasher | Oberjaeger: It still says device not found |
| 10:38.05 | jc-denton | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Rgx6D215.html |
| 10:38.29 | jc-denton | i don't know if this is related to the version of python-qt installed on my sys.. |
| 10:38.37 | Dabian | Anders1: Well, I wouldn't expect a newbie to be able to deal with those issues, in fact, I'd rather not deal with it myself. |
| 10:39.18 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: It seems so. |
| 10:39.20 | Anders1 | Dabian: well - just because you run woody doesnt necessarily mean it will be extremely secure. you still have to secure the box |
| 10:39.21 | Dabian | Anders1: What will he do, if there is a security breach in one of the services his server runs, that cannot make it to sarge for some reason? He'll have to get the upstream and patch it himself! |
| 10:39.26 | jc-denton | hrmm |
| 10:39.33 | jc-denton | what can i do? |
| 10:39.35 | Oberjaeger | |cA|Slasher, to recap, eth0 is recognised and active and you're running pppoeconf, right? |
| 10:39.36 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: File a bug. |
| 10:39.40 | shinu | anyone can tell me the command to switch off gdm at startup? |
| 10:39.46 | resiak | !tell shinu -about nodm |
| 10:39.49 | Anders1 | Dabian: or he could stop it until it comes to sarge |
| 10:39.49 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: And... let's see :-) |
| 10:39.50 | |cA|Slasher | yeah |
| 10:39.51 | jc-denton | sanxiyn: i would prefer to fix it.. |
| 10:39.58 | Dabian | Anders1: True .. but "apt-get update ; apt-get -u dist-upgrade" run regularely will do the thing. |
| 10:40.00 | resiak | shinu: Are you by any chance installing the nvidia drivers? |
| 10:40.10 | shinu | resiak: nope |
| 10:40.14 | |cA|Slasher | i should probably ping 127.0.0.1 but there's no reason for it not to work |
| 10:40.15 | Dabian | Anders1: Still doesn't mean 100% secure .. but its feasible, and rather secure. |
| 10:40.35 | resiak | shinu: Okay, just wondered. :) |
| 10:40.47 | shinu | resiak: just want text login, cause its better than graphical... :D imho :) |
| 10:41.03 | Anders1 | Dabian: well - you still have to do it if you want security. woody isnt something which gives you full security out of the box |
| 10:41.05 | Dabian | Anders1: But unstable/sid is better than sarge for security. |
| 10:41.24 | Henryk | Must. resist. urge. to. kill. |
| 10:41.29 | Dabian | Anders1: I have much faith in our security team. |
| 10:41.41 | Dabian | Anders1: They seem very serious about what they're doing, and very hardworking. |
| 10:41.56 | Anders1 | Dabian: ok - but if you need a desktop environment, one should run testing for newer packages |
| 10:42.10 | resiak | shinu: Sure. You're speaking to someone who just succumbed to the Dark Side and set up bootsplash... :) |
| 10:42.15 | Henryk | This damn machine was doing make-kpkg for the last 15 hours, and just aborted with: install: cannot stat `debian/buildinfo': No such file or directory |
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| 10:42.20 | shinu | :D |
| 10:42.27 | Dabian | Anders1: Yes, I run testing on this box .. which is behind my woody gatewall. |
| 10:42.30 | Anders1 | Henryk: 15 hours? what kind of box is it |
| 10:42.38 | Henryk | 486 |
| 10:42.39 | Anders1 | Dabian: well then, should be quite secure i guess |
| 10:42.47 | Dabian | Anders1: I hope so. :) |
| 10:42.57 | shinu | resiak: though the only thing i dont like about text mode is... lynx.. or rather web browsing in general :D |
| 10:43.08 | Anders1 | Dabian: i run sid with iptables.. and i read debian-security-announce and apt-get upgrade often |
| 10:43.31 | resiak | shinu: Do you use a framebuffer |
| 10:43.38 | |cA|Slasher | and he leaves... |
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| 10:43.43 | Dabian | Anders1: SIDs much better than sarge for security .. but if you don't need the new stuff, I would prefer stable over unstable. |
| 10:43.55 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: Yes, I confirmed that QSizePolicy had incompatible change between PyQt 3.13 and 3.14. |
| 10:43.55 | Anders1 | Dabian: Ok |
| 10:44.10 | jc-denton | sanxiyn: thx |
| 10:44.11 | resiak | shinu: ? What about gpm? If not, you should do, because then you can use links2 -g and never use X again ;) |
| 10:44.32 | Dabian | Anders1: If you absolutely need the new stuff .. go with SID, but be sure to update every DSA that is out, and possibly keep an eye on bugtraq as well. |
| 10:44.42 | shinu | resiak: uh... framebuffer... heard of but dunno what that is ^^' |
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| 10:45.08 | shinu | resiak: and gpm is? |
| 10:45.13 | jc-denton | bugreport almost sent.. |
| 10:45.19 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: And offending code is in .ui file! |
| 10:45.25 | Dabian | Anders1: But generally advise wouldn't be to run unstable on a server, I think. ;-) |
| 10:45.28 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: Okay, now it seems to make sense... |
| 10:45.32 | Anders1 | indeed Dabian |
| 10:45.33 | resiak | shinu: Hi-res text-mode console. Beautiful... gpm lets you use a mouse at the console. Again, it's fantastic. |
| 10:45.37 | jc-denton | what does offending code mean? |
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| 10:45.50 | resiak | jc-denton: The code that breaks things. |
| 10:45.53 | jc-denton | sanxiyn: can i include your confirmation in the report? |
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| 10:45.56 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: It doesn't matter. kodosBA.py is an autogenerated file compiled with pyuic. |
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| 10:46.13 | jc-denton | ah |
| 10:46.19 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: .ui is an XML definition file for Qt, like .glade, and it is compiled to Python code with pyuic. |
| 10:46.31 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: Rebuilding with PyQt 3.14 pyuic should fix it. |
| 10:46.41 | warhead | resiak: Hi, I have litle problem in all gtk based programs (eg. xmms) I have small font. How to set normal size of font? |
| 10:46.53 | idc | i am back,mouse is connected to PS/2 port,now i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86,in the mouse part,which one ? |
| 10:47.02 | jc-denton | sanxiyn: so the bug would be in pyqt? |
| 10:47.06 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: Well, go ahead with bug report, I may follow up with even a patch :-) |
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| 10:47.08 | resiak | warhead: Why the hell are you asking me? |
| 10:47.11 | jc-denton | sanxiyn: ok |
| 10:47.11 | shinu | resiak: and whats a framebuffer? ^^' |
| 10:47.15 | sanxiyn | jc-denton: I'd say Kodos need to be rebuilt. |
| 10:47.24 | Oberjaeger | |cA|Slasher, what does lsmod | grep ppp and ifconfig give you? |
| 10:47.35 | jc-denton | sanxiyn: ok thx for having a look at it! |
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| 10:47.49 | onre | visual regular expression editor? fascinating |
| 10:47.55 | |cA|Slasher | um... a reason to reboot? :P |
| 10:48.03 | resiak | shinu: Hi-res console. Are you running one of the stock 2.6 kernels, do you have a sane graphics card, and can your screen do 1024x768x16bit? Try appending vga=791 to your kernel's arguments next time you boot. |
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| 10:48.21 | warhead | resiak: You are advanced Debian user. |
| 10:49.03 | resiak | warhead: I am? \o/ To answer your question, run the configuration program for your GTK themer. |
| 10:49.04 | idc | ? |
| 10:49.22 | Dabian | OK .. I guess we're back to my question. I have an Nvidea gfx card, and I have accelleration. Now, I am about to upgrade my sarge system, and I wonder how many packages I need. THen I find that nvidea-glx needs 2.4.x kernel? Does this mean I don't need this package as I use 2.6.x kernel? (I go with the debian kernel) |
| 10:49.40 | resiak | !tell Dabian -about nvidia one-liner |
| 10:49.46 | shinu | resiak: er.. no... ^^' so i better not use that... |
| 10:49.51 | drac | warhead: Small fonts in xmms? Ah, apt-cache search xfonts | grep trans |
| 10:49.51 | resiak | shinu: Heh, okay. |
| 10:49.54 | drac | warhead: Install those. |
| 10:49.58 | drac | warhead: And problem is solved. |
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| 10:50.29 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 10:50.33 | |cA|Slasher | ifconfig gives me eth0 and lo, eth0 shows a mac adress but no ip since there's no dhcp and i didn't set one |
| 10:50.41 | Dabian | resiak: So I need nvidia-glx from unstable? |
| 10:50.51 | resiak | Dabian: Sadly, yes, unless it's gone back into Sarge... |
| 10:50.58 | shinu | resiak: thanks a lot for your help :) |
| 10:51.02 | drac | !info nvidia-glx sarge |
| 10:51.13 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 10:51.16 | Dabian | resiak: Hmm .. I better not touch nvidia-glx then ... |
| 10:51.29 | resiak | Oooh! It went back! When did that happen? |
| 10:51.38 | drac | Dunno, I found it myself just now! :P |
| 10:51.51 | warhead | drac: I try trhat |
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| 10:52.30 | amorphix | I'm getting some strange repetitive msgs output to my terminal in KDE.. 'Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy' and 'ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 1653, errno = 2'.... any ideas? |
| 10:52.36 | warhead | Dabian: I have nvidia, and work ok. |
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| 10:52.45 | drac | Someone should fix the factoid before there are several people in sid unknowingly. |
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| 10:54.22 | amorphix | hi |
| 10:54.37 | resiak | Fixed. |
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| 10:54.57 | drac | great 8) |
| 10:55.01 | amorphix | does anyone know where the ssh kde app is on the KDE menu? |
| 10:55.21 | amorphix | apparantly i have one installed but cant run it |
| 10:55.46 | idc | if i do not install a window manager,will X work ? |
| 10:56.06 | drac | idc: Sure, prolly it starts with twm, and you'll get mouse pointer and grey screen. |
| 10:56.20 | PitchForkLinux | anyone want to help me add a couple of new hd's and set the up as lvm for a largen network repository . Or point me to a good article to do this? |
| 10:56.33 | idc | ok |
| 10:56.38 | amorphix | where is everyone |
| 10:56.46 | paulswm | PitchForkLinux: The LVM HOWTO is a good place to start |
| 10:57.07 | jez | Can anybody tell me if replacing Exim with a lighter MTA will be worth my time? The MTA is pretty much unused. It seems sort of pointless having one at all. |
| 10:57.10 | PitchForkLinux | paulswm. does that cover lvm2 |
| 10:57.16 | paulswm | PitchForkLinux: yes |
| 10:57.18 | idc | a PS/2 mouse should be /dev/input/mice ?? |
| 10:57.23 | PitchForkLinux | ok thanks |
| 10:57.24 | amorphix | no SSH support in KDE? |
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| 10:57.48 | paulswm | PitchForkLinux: np, it's a good guide |
| 10:58.07 | drac | jez: In my humble opinion, Postfix is lighter than Exim4 and it's easy to replace and setup with dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 10:58.47 | jez | drac: since Exim isn't being used at all, is it even affecting my system's performance whatsoever aside from using a little bit of memory? |
| 10:58.51 | amorphix | sux |
| 10:59.06 | drac | jez: Yeh, install Postfix and choose Local Devilery Only. |
| 10:59.21 | petemc | drac: postfix is lighter? how so? |
| 10:59.34 | Shadur | jez: Do you send mail from that system at all? |
| 10:59.37 | drac | petemc: Seems lighter to me.. doesn't take so much memory as exim .. |
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| 10:59.50 | drac | For local mail only systems .. |
| 10:59.54 | jez | Shadur: no - it's only there because Debian wants an MTA to be installed |
| 10:59.55 | petemc | drac: exim4 isnt resource intensive, at all |
| 11:00.08 | drac | Oh, it was pretty 'top' in my top 8) |
| 11:00.13 | Shadur | jez: How do you handle cron messages and the like? |
| 11:00.18 | amorphix | oh well |
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| 11:00.47 | jez | Shadur, they are sent to me - it's things like that that are the only current use of my MTA |
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| 11:01.46 | jez | Shadur: I'm thinking since my MTA is so unused it may not make a difference if I replace it - but on the other hand since it's unused maybe it would be better to install a smaller one. |
| 11:02.23 | paulswm | Is there a reference anywhere of default users set up in debian, I see a user 'backup' which doesn't own any files, and doesn't have permissions to write in its home directory (/var/backups), so I'm not sure if it's a legacy thing fro amanda or what, and I would like to modify that user to use for local backups |
| 11:02.35 | _nyn_ | anyone here having problems with cdparanoia? since un update some time ago, it's generating empty files, no matter the output format chosen... i've googled for it and nothing... |
| 11:02.49 | _nyn_ | (on debian sarge) |
| 11:03.01 | simonrvn | /usr/share/doc/base-passwd or something |
| 11:03.13 | simonrvn | paulswm: ^^ |
| 11:03.22 | paulswm | simonrvn: Thanks buddy |
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| 11:03.37 | Dabian | warhead: Thanks for the encuragement. :) |
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| 11:03.54 | Dabian | warhead: Mine work fine also .. but sometimes I make a mistake when I upgrade. |
| 11:04.21 | arod | I'm experiencing a probem with dnsmasq + resolvconf + pppoe. since dnsmasq is started before pppd gets DNS from ISP ('usepeerdns' option) when it reads /var/run/dnsmasq/resolv.conf the file is empty. that way dnsmasq is not working at all nor it is updated when a few seconds later pppd gets DNS from ISP. any solution? |
| 11:04.28 | idc | oki just want to know,a PS/2 mouse should be /dev/?? in debian kernel 2.2 ??? |
| 11:04.53 | Dabian | resiak: Thanks for the help, I'm úpgrading now, leaving those two packages untouched did it for me. |
| 11:04.58 | simonrvn | is a cyrix/233 supposed to be this pokey? gawds, now i know why i stick to ppc... |
| 11:05.03 | paulswm | simonrvn: Heh, you should read the entry in there for 'backup', the file is users-and-groups.html in the driectory you referenced |
| 11:05.08 | Dabian | resiak: (I hope .. lets see if nvidia works when I reboot after the upgrade). |
| 11:05.15 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 11:05.44 | paulswm | The writer obviously had the same question I did :( |
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| 11:06.01 | gahan | is there a rpm->deb tool? |
| 11:06.12 | jez | Ok well I don't think I've got anything to lose by replacing Exim with Postfix, so I'll give it a shot. Am I correct in thinking I'll need to install Procmail or something as well? |
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| 11:06.32 | sanxiyn | gahan: alien |
| 11:06.36 | idc | If i cannot get X work,i will go back to windows |
| 11:06.46 | resiak | Dabian: úpgrading? :) |
| 11:06.47 | sanxiyn | idc: Is that a threat? |
| 11:06.52 | idc | i totally have no idea why this time its not working |
| 11:06.58 | Gathond | idc: ps2 mouse is usually /dev/psaux |
| 11:07.09 | idc | Gathond: thanks |
| 11:07.25 | sanxiyn | Yay! Rebuilding kodos with new pyuic worked beautifully! |
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| 11:08.04 | idc | Gathond: i selected /dev/psaux,in the next menu,i shold select just the 'PS/2' right ? |
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| 11:08.17 | jez | idc: try ImPS/2 if you mean the menu I think |
| 11:08.30 | jez | If PS/2 isn't working |
| 11:08.34 | paulswm | idc: re. your Windows remark: I have (probably we all have) said that at some point over the years, don't give up :) |
| 11:08.38 | idc | i have tried both,already |
| 11:08.39 | jez | idc: or auto |
| 11:09.02 | idc | jez: auto ? |
| 11:09.21 | jez | idc: if there isn't an auto option, open the config file manually and replace PS/2 with auto - I'm fairly sure that's an option... May not work still but worth a try maybe |
| 11:10.03 | idc | jez: but if i manully edit that file dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will not work |
| 11:10.33 | liable_ | idc: did you try mdetect? |
| 11:10.34 | jez | idc: another thing - do 'cat /dev/psaux' and move your mouse around a bit. see if you get random characters you know your mouse is there. this might mess up your terminal though |
| 11:11.20 | Anders1 | anyone who knows about a GTK/Qt program which can list the largest files on my disk? |
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| 11:11.32 | idc | let me try |
| 11:11.47 | _nyn_ | Anders1: konqueror |
| 11:12.00 | Anders1 | hm, well, i need an overview |
| 11:12.05 | idc | jez: yeah, lots of characters |
| 11:12.27 | jez | idc: are you actually sure the mouse is the problem? |
| 11:12.28 | xxenon | on what kernel do I apply the 2.6.12-rc3 patch ? |
| 11:12.35 | Anders1 | something like drivetree for Windows (http://www.jam-software.com/freeware/freeware_treesize_gr.gif) |
| 11:12.38 | idc | but still,i startx,says No screen found - Screen found,but none have an usable configuration |
| 11:13.21 | Dabian | Anders1: I prefer to use curtains with windows. |
| 11:13.30 | idc | jez: not sure,because i ever had this problem before,that after congure X it doent work then i check in config file there are 2 parts for mouse so its doublicated so i had to delte one to get X work |
| 11:13.34 | Dabian | Anders1: :--] |
| 11:13.45 | Anders1 | Dabian: i dont use windows |
| 11:13.45 | Anders1 | ;o |
| 11:13.47 | drac | idc: That's not the real error, please post /var/log/XFree86.0.log to www.pastebin.com and maybe you'll get a lot more help. |
| 11:13.53 | idc | jez: i mean,Linux is weird sometimes like this time X wont work but it used to |
| 11:14.31 | idc | drac: i do not have X,how to get to there ? |
| 11:14.45 | tzafrir_laptop | idc, lynx? |
| 11:14.51 | drac | idc: Or upload it to some www space you got. |
| 11:14.53 | idc | never used lynx |
| 11:15.00 | drac | idc: Or install gpm and copy'n'paste with your mouse. |
| 11:15.01 | tzafrir_laptop | isn't there any script to paste stuff there? |
| 11:15.11 | idc | drac: can i dcc it to you ? iam on irssi text |
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| 11:15.27 | drac | idc: I'm sorry, that's quite impossible because of my firewalls and IPv6 connection. |
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| 11:15.38 | idc | hmm |
| 11:15.39 | tzafrir_laptop | isn't there a channel to paste into ? #flood or something? |
| 11:16.14 | simonrvn | yes, #flood. apt-get install gpm |
| 11:16.28 | Dabian | I think there is a pastemachine also? |
| 11:16.31 | Dabian | !paste |
| 11:16.31 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 11:17.00 | simonrvn | goddamn pokey... |
| 11:17.32 | tzafrir_laptop | idc, the cause for the problem should be in one of the last lines of that file. |
| 11:17.49 | tzafrir_laptop | Try to look at the last four or five lines. |
| 11:18.13 | Dabian | I want the toaster to be happy too! |
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| 11:18.47 | simonrvn | i'll let this pokey x86 build vim... |
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| 11:18.53 | xxenon | I have a weird problem, when doing a quick single click with my USB mouse, it is handled as a double click |
| 11:19.15 | simonrvn | ease up on the double click speed... |
| 11:19.31 | tyu | hey any LVM2 gurus in our ranks? |
| 11:19.31 | xxenon | no, not that ... |
| 11:19.50 | Dabian | xxenon: You can set that with xset, or if you have GNOME; you can set it from the gnome control center, or something simular. |
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| 11:20.46 | _nyn_ | a second shot: has any one here -- using a frequently updated sarge -- had problems with cdparanoia? (like generating empty files) |
| 11:21.12 | idc | tzafrir_laptop: the last line is EE: screen found,but none have an usable configuration |
| 11:21.35 | idc | and "fatal erro: no screen found' below it |
| 11:21.55 | idc | i check the log file many times,only got 1 EE line |
| 11:21.57 | paulswm | simonrvn: You're building vim?? Just nosey^Wcurious |
| 11:21.59 | xxenon | Dabian - it's a single click handled as a double click, not the opposite.. |
| 11:22.11 | idc | and some warning,for example : cannot open APM |
| 11:22.20 | drac | idc: Not all real reasons are found with EE, or WW. |
| 11:22.29 | idc | the rest of them are fonts doent exit,i sure this isnt the problem |
| 11:22.30 | drac | idc: And No Screens Found is just an result, not an error. |
| 11:22.37 | simonrvn | paulswm: netbsd box |
| 11:23.00 | drac | idc: And make sure you have everything installed, by getting x-window-system metapackage. |
| 11:23.05 | paulswm | simonrvn: Aaah, though you were becoming a gentoobie :P |
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| 11:23.39 | simonrvn | no :) |
| 11:24.02 | idc | drac: i did apt-get install xserver-xfree86 xbase-clients xfonts-base xlibs xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi |
| 11:24.10 | idc | drac: after that,i did apt-get install wmaker |
| 11:24.11 | drac | idc: That's not enough. |
| 11:24.21 | drac | idc: Do an apt-get install x-window-system. |
| 11:24.46 | tzafrir_laptop | idc, and it worked before? and you didn't change the configuration or the screen or the display adapter? |
| 11:24.51 | idc | then i did echo exec wmaker > ~/.xsession |
| 11:24.53 | idc | also i put a copy in ~/.xinitrc,eventhough they were not there by default |
| 11:25.08 | idc | drac: no,i used to get X work without doing that |
| 11:25.30 | drac | idc: Anyway, post the log somewhere or this ain't going nowhere! |
| 11:25.30 | idc | drac: well,i have a note in my paper so im reading from it when in install |
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| 11:25.51 | idc | tzafrir_laptop: yeah,it worked in every time i install debian |
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| 11:26.14 | drac | Not even highly advanced debian users have CRYSTAL BALL or FORTUNE TELLER gifts. |
| 11:26.26 | idc | tzafrir_laptop: for real,im very familiar with configuring my X that it should work cuz i have done it many times before |
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| 11:31.27 | liable_ | idc: humour us and do as drac says, to see if it works |
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| 11:32.08 | onre | if you were actually really familiar with it, you'd solved the problem by looking at the log file already. |
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| 11:33.47 | MegaByte | Hey guys |
| 11:33.57 | MegaByte | how do I switch to text mode without rebooting? |
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| 11:34.22 | Oberjaeger | alt-f1 |
| 11:34.26 | Oberjaeger | um |
| 11:34.30 | Oberjaeger | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 11:34.34 | Oberjaeger | ¬¬ |
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| 11:34.58 | MegaByte | Oberjaeger, No, I mean I need to kill the x server |
| 11:35.10 | idc | drac: seeing my post in #flood ? |
| 11:35.12 | MegaByte | Oberjaeger, I want to install the nvidia driver |
| 11:35.12 | idc | liable_: i did post in #flood |
| 11:35.14 | idc | ctrl alt fx key |
| 11:35.16 | idc | ctrl alt f7 key to go back to X |
| 11:35.19 | idc | or, ctrl alt backspace to kill X |
| 11:35.21 | idc | MegaByte: ctrl alt backspace,did you read from me ? |
| 11:35.44 | MegaByte | idc, but X is restarted regardless. I need it to get killed and not restarted |
| 11:36.02 | MegaByte | if X is running I can`t install the nvidia driver |
| 11:36.38 | paulswm | drac: So I bow to your kindness and patience :) |
| 11:36.38 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 11:36.38 | Oberjaeger | ctrl-alt-f1 then /etc/init.d/(something)dm stop |
| 11:36.38 | Henryk | MegaByte: stop gdm/xdm/kdm/whateverdm |
| 11:36.41 | Oberjaeger | either xdm gdm or kdm |
| 11:36.46 | MegaByte | thanks |
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| 11:41.45 | MegaByte | mmmm |
| 11:42.02 | MegaByte | I`ve unpacked the kernel source but it didn`t help |
| 11:42.10 | MegaByte | there was a kernel mismatch error |
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| 11:43.56 | Gathond | SquareRt: well that will teach you .... something .... Im sure :) |
| 11:43.58 | caphuso | must be a stupid /tmp reaper script |
| 11:44.30 | SquareRt | caphuso: I had a problem with NFS so I did /etc/init.d/umountnfs.sh then restarted all the nfs stuff |
| 11:44.37 | SquareRt | and ran /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh |
| 11:44.49 | SquareRt | and it said Clearing: /tmp /var/something blah blah |
| 11:44.55 | SquareRt | or Cleaning |
| 11:44.57 | SquareRt | or somesuch |
| 11:44.57 | Oberjaeger | At least you only lost some temp files. I was *certain* that I still had a backup of my exim configuration files :\ |
| 11:44.58 | cthulfuego | SquareRt: For future reference, (u)mount -a -t nfs |
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| 11:45.17 | SquareRt | cthulfuego: heh |
| 11:45.30 | cthulfuego | SquareRt: init scripts are for bootup/shutdown eh |
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| 11:45.36 | SquareRt | cthulfuego: I was just thinking "do it in the order the startup scripts do it" |
| 11:45.45 | spiekey | hi |
| 11:45.51 | SquareRt | cthulfuego: yet, you still use /etc/init.d for service restarts etc? |
| 11:46.04 | spiekey | what sshd option do i need that it ONLY allows logins with a rsa key? |
| 11:46.09 | SquareRt | cthulfuego: any tips on how I can recreate this UNIX socket without closing everybloodything? |
| 11:46.11 | spiekey | on woody |
| 11:46.15 | cthulfuego | SquareRt: well, unless you simply kill -HUP them |
| 11:46.17 | SquareRt | cthulfuego: or am I stuffed? |
| 11:46.22 | spiekey | on unstable it was "UsePAM no" |
| 11:46.34 | spiekey | but it doent know that option on woody |
| 11:46.59 | cthulfuego | SquareRt: Well, I'd just kill X and restart it. |
| 11:47.04 | SquareRt | cthulfuego: hmm |
| 11:47.09 | spiekey | SquareRt: he? |
| 11:47.45 | SquareRt | cthulfuego: and lose a swarm of firefox windows with three days browsing in :S lol |
| 11:47.57 | SquareRt | spiekey: "UsePAM no"... it might be useful |
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| 11:47.58 | michal__ | firefox remembers all tabs |
| 11:48.00 | cthulfuego | spiekey: man sshd_config |
| 11:48.00 | onre | didn't firefox have some method of 'quitting with session' |
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| 11:48.17 | michal__ | well mine do anyway |
| 11:48.17 | SquareRt | michal__: only if you have the sessionsaver plugin |
| 11:48.21 | onre | though it's not perfect, i wish it retained 'back' history too :) |
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| 11:48.28 | Andrea | hello |
| 11:48.32 | SquareRt | onre: sessionsaver plugin |
| 11:48.41 | onre | SquareRt, ack, thanks :) |
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| 11:49.00 | cthulfuego | SquareRt: Pff. Firefox crashes every 30 minutes here. be glad you got 30 days. Besides, about:cache |
| 11:49.03 | SquareRt | michal__: problem is... the plugin isn't installed, the reason being that I used to use it and some days it would take half an hour to start with it |
| 11:49.04 | onre | SquareRt, it used to be in default install earlier, i think? well whatever, i'll just install it :) |
| 11:49.10 | cthulfuego | s/30/3/ |
| 11:49.23 | SquareRt | michal__: or it'd bug out and then overwrite my session with a blank session grr |
| 11:49.24 | spiekey | . /etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 73: Bad configuration option: UsePAM |
| 11:49.30 | cthulfuego | spiekey: man sshd_config |
| 11:49.31 | michal__ | SquareRt: i guess you can better start cutting and pasting url's into a text file then :P |
| 11:49.40 | cthulfuego | spiekey: Hint: they're different versions. |
| 11:49.40 | SquareRt | michal__: heh |
| 11:49.52 | SquareRt | michal__: thankfully I have a few terminal windows open |
| 11:49.52 | SquareRt | lol |
| 11:50.06 | spiekey | cthulfuego: i have already checked out the man page, but couldnt find it. otherwise i wouldnt have come here |
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| 11:51.04 | SquareRt | spiekey: what about the /usr/share/doc/ssh/ directory? |
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| 11:53.20 | spiekey | SquareRt: just crap in there...a readme. |
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| 11:53.54 | spiekey | is it PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt? |
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| 11:55.53 | spiekey | thanks! |
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| 12:04.05 | jeanmi_ | although I used to have no problems using my digital camera with gphoto2 I am now getting the following: |
| 12:04.06 | jeanmi_ | gphoto2: relocation error: /usr/lib/gphoto2_port/0.5.1/libgphoto2_port_usb.so: undefined symbol: usb_get_driver_np |
| 12:04.31 | jeanmi_ | gphoto --auto-detect does return the right value (it detects my cam without any problems) |
| 12:04.48 | drac | jeanmi_: Tried changing mode in your camera? |
| 12:05.02 | jeanmi_ | drac what do you call mode ? |
| 12:05.09 | drac | e.g. PTP |
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| 12:05.21 | jeanmi_ | no, I don't think so |
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| 12:06.11 | jeanmi_ | drac what is PTP BTW ? is like I decide whether my cam is to be handled as a usb mass storage or not ? |
| 12:06.13 | drac | And what's this gphoto2 0.5.1, are you running woody? |
| 12:06.19 | jeanmi_ | anyway my cam does not offer such thing |
| 12:06.24 | drac | jeanmi_: yea, something like that |
| 12:06.40 | m0p | I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone know where to get libdecss? And no, I'm not in the USA so it's perfectly legal :) |
| 12:06.41 | jeanmi_ | I am running woody + quite a lost of testing/unstable packages installed over the past years |
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| 12:06.53 | resiak | m0p: Have you got libdvdread installed? |
| 12:06.58 | m0p | yeah |
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| 12:07.24 | drac | jeanmi_: Get new libgphoto2-2 and gphoto2 and maybe gtkam, currect version in Sarge is for libgphoto2-2 is 2.1.5-4 |
| 12:07.30 | resiak | m0p: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 12:07.40 | m0p | ok |
| 12:09.01 | m0p | ahhhh |
| 12:09.02 | m0p | thanks :) |
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| 12:12.07 | jeanmi_ | drac the same |
| 12:12.42 | slackmartian | does anyone know where the config file for keyboard language is located? i dont have /etc/sysconfig as the document pages said... |
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| 12:13.01 | drac | jeanmi_: Debian kernel, 2.6 ? |
| 12:13.09 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: how did it go? |
| 12:13.09 | drac | If not, try it. |
| 12:13.36 | jeanmi_ | drac yes |
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| 12:13.51 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian what ? the install of debian on the shit laptop ? |
| 12:13.57 | slackmartian | yeah |
| 12:14.01 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian worked fine eventually with loadlin :) |
| 12:14.09 | slackmartian | good |
| 12:14.16 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian it took 3 hours to install the base after reboot |
| 12:14.23 | slackmartian | ive been bugged with an old laptop myself, it sucks |
| 12:14.24 | slackmartian | hehe |
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| 12:14.50 | jeanmi_ | drac but it ued to work with kernel 2.6 some weeks ago |
| 12:14.57 | slackmartian | i did eventually go for nfs setup to install everything, i cant run both cdrom and floppy at the same time |
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| 12:15.05 | jeanmi_ | drac I have probably changed something on my system but I just dont know what |
| 12:15.23 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian I wanted to make a x terminal out of it |
| 12:15.31 | slackmartian | k |
| 12:15.37 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian especially using NX term from nomachine.com |
| 12:15.44 | slackmartian | im trying out debian sarge now, been doing slackware before |
| 12:15.56 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian but the laptop is a a real piece of junk |
| 12:16.07 | slackmartian | hehe |
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| 12:16.26 | Unskill3d | hi |
| 12:17.05 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian http://toshiba.linux.site.voila.fr/page5.html |
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| 12:17.37 | slackmartian | hehe |
| 12:17.48 | Unskill3d | i got a proxy here and i want to set up my gftp client to work correctly in the intranet with ip-adresses of the kind 192.168.* how can i use wildcards in gftp ? |
| 12:17.51 | slackmartian | could could beat someone to death with that thing |
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| 12:18.16 | onre | Unskill3d, exactly what do you mean by 'working correctly'? |
| 12:18.27 | onre | Unskill3d, like, skip proxy for 192.168 addresses? |
| 12:18.37 | Unskill3d | onre: that the client shouldnt use the proxy in the intranet |
| 12:18.41 | onre | ack |
| 12:18.44 | Unskill3d | onre: yes right |
| 12:18.57 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: im a bit confused, trying to set up keyboard language outside x, followed these man pages http://www.debian.org/doc/#howtos |
| 12:19.07 | slackmartian | but etc/rc.d ??? |
| 12:19.17 | slackmartian | have a look at the keyboard section |
| 12:19.36 | jeanmi_ | what do you need to do ? |
| 12:19.41 | slackmartian | configuration HOWTO and keyboard |
| 12:19.45 | jeanmi_ | change the keyboard setting for the console ? |
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| 12:19.50 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: yeah |
| 12:20.04 | xiaogil | hotplug doesn't work at the boot, it stops the boot process, i have to type Ctrl+C to keep on booting, and then the internet doesn't work, what should i do to solve this problem ? |
| 12:20.07 | Unskill3d | onre: i edited my ~/.gftp/gftprc with things like 192.168. but it didnt worked |
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| 12:20.21 | onre | Unskill3d, weird. you sure it's correct syntax? |
| 12:20.34 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian which howto ? |
| 12:20.38 | slackmartian | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Config-HOWTO/ |
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| 12:21.05 | slackmartian | i thought rc.d was bsd style |
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| 12:21.16 | slackmartian | but i followed that link from debian.org |
| 12:21.20 | jeanmi_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/11/msg00956.html |
| 12:21.42 | Unskill3d | onre: # dont_use_proxy=.domain or dont_use_proxy=ip/mask |
| 12:21.55 | Unskill3d | onre: thats all info in there |
| 12:22.06 | jeanmi_ | drac it works with the woody packages :) |
| 12:22.56 | Unskill3d | onre: i could use the unresolved names of the machines i need and then add only the domain.. but i know it is possible with the ips |
| 12:23.16 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: latest debian sarge cones with xorg right? locate /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 but shouldnt it be xorg.conf? |
| 12:23.49 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian I have no idea about that |
| 12:23.57 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian I installed woody on the shit laptop |
| 12:24.20 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: ok |
| 12:24.25 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian and I dont use xorg on my current machine because it was to hard to set up my current X config |
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| 12:24.31 | liable_ | slackmartian: no, not in sarge |
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| 12:25.20 | slackmartian | liable_ what? |
| 12:25.28 | liable_ | slackmartian: no xorg |
| 12:25.35 | slackmartian | hahaha |
| 12:25.37 | slackmartian | why? |
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| 12:26.48 | A-Tuin | what package provides basename |
| 12:26.52 | slackmartian | sorry, just a bit confused, its my first time booting sarge, hehe.. |
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| 12:27.13 | Dabian | !tim riker |
| 12:27.16 | Dabian | sorry |
| 12:28.02 | Dabian | Hmm .. is this factoried fitting for dpkg? |
| 12:28.02 | Dabian | !tim |
| 12:28.02 | Dabian | ??? |
| 12:28.02 | dpkg | hi tim, nice to meet you (hah, dont talk to me slut -- you cant even deep throat) |
| 12:28.22 | CargolNet | hi, i am wondering if the tools which includes d-i are available after the instalation, you know, the raid management tool, network config tool, lvm, etc. They are great but I haven't found them as a package |
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| 12:29.15 | overnout | CargolNet: why dont you just mount the iso |
| 12:29.26 | Dabian | CargolNet: d-i ?!?? |
| 12:29.36 | Dabian | overnout: Why are you interested in that question? |
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| 12:30.14 | CargolNet | Dabian: No, I mean having these tools to manage my installed debian |
| 12:30.20 | Dabian | wow .. SunOS 2.4 - isn't that acient? |
| 12:30.46 | Dabian | CargolNet: I don't follow you at all, are you a native tongue of English? |
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| 12:31.14 | CargolNet | Dabian: I have used debian installer for configuring my RAID-1 while installing, I'd like to use this tool again, you know menu based and so on |
| 12:31.20 | Dabian | CargolNet: I think there are tools to create a debian install cd if thats your question. |
| 12:31.37 | CargolNet | Dabien: I'm Spanish ;-) |
| 12:31.40 | Dabian | CargolNet: Have you tried "base-config" ? |
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| 12:31.59 | CargolNet | Dabien: not actually |
| 12:32.13 | Dabian | CargolNet: Würth a shot then. ;-) |
| 12:32.20 | nafmo | Upgrade question: I just upgraded my workstation from Woody to Sarge. How do I get X logins to honour my .xinitrc (I got a Gnome session which completely ignored my old settings and can't seem to find how to reconfigure it) |
| 12:32.30 | m0p | hmm, every time I seem to make a self compiled kernel, it never seems to be able to mount / :( even when I "cp /boot/config-blah-blah .config" without modifying anything :( |
| 12:32.34 | CargolNet | Dabien: thanks :-) |
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| 12:32.42 | onre | Unskill3d, you've probably tried dont_use_proxy=192.168.0.0/16 or 192.168.0.0./255.255.0.0 ? |
| 12:32.50 | caphuso | m0p: initrd problem |
| 12:33.05 | Dabian | nafmo: GNOME 1.4 != GNOME 2.8 ... |
| 12:33.14 | nafmo | Dabian: Yes. I noticed that... |
| 12:33.16 | Dabian | nafmo: QUITE a lot of stuff has changed. |
| 12:33.18 | nafmo | I just want my IceWM back |
| 12:33.28 | Dabian | nafmo: apt-get install IceWM |
| 12:33.29 | nafmo | And to set it up to look somewhat like what it looked before |
| 12:33.32 | nafmo | I have icewm installed |
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| 12:33.43 | nafmo | Chosing an icewm session just gives me icewm without the Gnome stuff |
| 12:33.48 | Dabian | nafmo: Then select an ICE-wm session? |
| 12:33.51 | Dabian | nafmo: Yeah |
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| 12:34.00 | Dabian | nafmo: GNOME 2.8 uses Metacity as WM. |
| 12:34.05 | m0p | caphuso, hmm? it boots fine until it tries to mount root then says "unknown-block on (hd0,0)" |
| 12:34.13 | nafmo | I want it to run my .xinitrc first, to set up some things, then start Gnome and use Icewm as the WM |
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| 12:34.25 | Fo | m0p : IDE problems ? |
| 12:34.36 | pwned | any gnome uses and used metacity as wm |
| 12:34.40 | nafmo | In old Gnome, there was a setting for window manager, can't find it (missing a package for setting that up?) |
| 12:34.40 | Dabian | nafmo: If you want to go through the trouble of switching WM in Gnome, I think its possible .. but maybe you'd rather just start the gnome-stuff you need in your ICE WM session. |
| 12:34.53 | nafmo | I basically want the Gnome panel |
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| 12:34.56 | takatumi | m0p: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 12:35.00 | m0p | and then kernel panics when it can't find "root-pivot". Fo, no, I have my SATA controller set to Y in the config. |
| 12:35.03 | Dabian | nafmo: There isn't one in GNOME 2.8 |
| 12:35.07 | caphuso | m0p: if that happens with an unaltered debian kernel .config, then it's most likely because your initrd misses the necessary modules |
| 12:35.13 | Dabian | nafmo: Gnome-panel might do what you want. |
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| 12:35.21 | Henryk | m0p: hmm, I had that too. I don't know why and I don't care. I just kicked the debian kernel and installed my own |
| 12:35.22 | Dabian | nafmo: gnome-panel, even. |
| 12:35.56 | pwned | there is ofcourse a gnome-penel in any gnome =| |
| 12:35.56 | nafmo | How do I get gdm to start me with a standard .xinitc session, then? |
| 12:35.56 | xelam | is it wrong to mock people for having no backup of "important" files? |
| 12:35.57 | pwned | s/ene/ane/ |
| 12:35.57 | markc | I've just debootstrap into a partition on /dev/hdc5 and want to do a grub-install, what device would I use (there are hda and a hdc IDE drives) ? |
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| 12:36.01 | Dabian | nafmo: I'm not sure .. I usually use the setup of GDM, and go with metacity. |
| 12:36.07 | Xteven | hello, is there a way to list all directories with find and prune the directories that have a file .nobackup in them ? |
| 12:36.11 | caphuso | nafmo: rename it to .xsession and choose "debian session" in gdm |
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| 12:36.18 | nydust | how do i open psd files? |
| 12:36.21 | m0p | Henryk, I'm not trying to use a Debian kernel. I'm tryin to use linux-2.6.11-ck3. Although, it did the same thing with the 2.6.8 from the Debian apt server. |
| 12:36.30 | Dabian | nafmo: Though I have been considering switching to both Ion, WindowMaker and others. |
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| 12:36.41 | nafmo | caphuso: I have .xsession as a link to .xinitrc, so it should have picked that up |
| 12:36.45 | CargolNet | Dabien: base-config does not have the lvm and raid modules and the partit which lets you resize partitions, do you know if base-config have some extra modules? |
| 12:36.55 | Dabian | nydust: Depends on whats inside them, and how you WANT to open them. |
| 12:37.00 | m0p | Oh, and I have ext2 and 3, my SATA controller and my IDE controller compiled staticly. |
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| 12:37.14 | Dabian | nydust: You can "open" them with cat from a terminal if you want, but I very much doubt that is what you want. |
| 12:37.57 | Dabian | nydust: What kinda PSD files are we talking about? Files from the proprietary Photoshop program Adobe is trying to get fat from selling? |
| 12:38.01 | Henryk | nydust: try gimp. Its psd support is not great, but suffices for most purposes |
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| 12:38.02 | nuix | Dabian, where can i modify something to let metacity allow me to extend windows over the top bound in desktop |
| 12:38.17 | nydust | oki |
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| 12:38.34 | nydust | it was a gimp file, but did find out that i need a non free release |
| 12:39.04 | Dabian | nydust: Hmm .. I think that some of the non-free stuff for GIMP left sarge not so darn long ago. |
| 12:39.12 | netboy | My X still cant work |
| 12:39.20 | Dabian | netboy: I see. |
| 12:39.30 | netboy | ? |
| 12:39.33 | Dabian | nuix: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 12:39.34 | onre | check logfile, fix problem, smile. |
| 12:39.36 | nydust | oki |
| 12:39.43 | Dabian | netboy: THanks for informing me of that. :) |
| 12:39.46 | nydust | i go too gimp.org |
| 12:39.49 | nydust | ;) |
| 12:39.55 | Dabian | :) |
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| 12:40.00 | netboy | Dabian: excuse me ? |
| 12:40.25 | Dabian | netboy: Its ok, I didn't take any offense. :) |
| 12:40.54 | elsvent | hello |
| 12:41.09 | Dabian | hi |
| 12:41.17 | elsvent | anyone know is there a simulator or compiler for verilog on debian? |
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| 12:41.31 | netboy | can anyone help me with my X server ?it wont be up |
| 12:41.37 | Dabian | elsvent: What does "apt-cache search verilog" say? |
| 12:41.43 | nuix | Dabian, gnome allowed to move windows over the top edge of desktop before using ALT+Click, but now cant |
| 12:41.50 | Dabian | !tell netboy about smart questions |
| 12:41.58 | jez | does anybody know if there exists a .deb for the Entrance display manager? If so, where? |
| 12:42.42 | elsvent | ok thanks |
| 12:42.45 | netboy | It says 'screen found,but none have an usable configuration' so strange |
| 12:42.58 | Dabian | nuix: I am still not sure what you mean ... Its been quite a while since I used gnome 1.4.. |
| 12:43.00 | netboy | i was in the config file,i am sure it has no problem |
| 12:43.29 | onre | check /var/log/XFree86.0.log, find lines with EE on them, figure it out, fix problem, smile. |
| 12:43.42 | netboy | onre: There is only 1 EE there |
| 12:43.49 | netboy | i have just posted it |
| 12:43.54 | Dabian | netboy: Thats the problem then. |
| 12:44.01 | Dabian | netboy: Where did you post it? |
| 12:44.05 | netboy | 'Screen found ..but none have ...'yea that one |
| 12:44.18 | Dabian | netboy: I see. Maybe its right? |
| 12:44.26 | netboy | ? |
| 12:44.28 | Dabian | netboy: Actually I am pretty sure I have guessed your problem. |
| 12:44.33 | onre | well how about finding out what is causing it?! the lines before, etc. cross-check your Modes section with messages indicating unusable modes etc etc etc. |
| 12:44.42 | Dabian | netboy: You have different spelling for the screen, so you're using the wrong one. |
| 12:45.12 | Dabian | netboy: OR you're simply looking at the wrong configuration file |
| 12:45.16 | netboy | onre: I am very very sure of how to configure X according to my hardwars cuz i have done it many times before had no problem |
| 12:45.46 | netboy | onre: i mean,same hardwares same distro ,but this time it just doesnt work |
| 12:45.47 | Dabian | netboy: The right configuration file might be /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 .. where you might have forgotten "-4". |
| 12:45.52 | onre | well, then the situation you have is impossible and therefore doesn't really exist and you are just wasting our time with your non-existent problem. :) |
| 12:46.05 | Fo | :) |
| 12:46.26 | netboy | Dabian: i know there is one ,i am sure you as well afer xfree3.x it uses -4 to replace the old one |
| 12:46.36 | Dabian | onre: Maybe aliens patched his X-binary? ;-) |
| 12:46.43 | Dabian | netboy: OK |
| 12:46.59 | netboy | onre: ?? |
| 12:46.59 | Dabian | netboy: Try to move the "old" files out of the way, and start the server again. |
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| 12:47.15 | netboy | onre: wait ... |
| 12:47.18 | onre | dabian, didn't think of that... he hasn't mentioned microscopically thin cuts on the side of his computer case, though |
| 12:47.37 | Dabian | onre: True .. maybe his sharp eyes missed that for some reason. :) |
| 12:47.42 | netboy | onre: for example,if i have configured X properly,but not with a x manager installed,will it say No screen found ? |
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| 12:47.51 | onre | netboy, no. i told you that earlier. |
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| 12:48.04 | netboy | it was you ? lol sorry |
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| 12:48.50 | nafmo | Ok, making some progress. Got it to use IceWM. It's still ignoring my .xinitc/.xsession though (and, specifically, my .Xmodmap file) |
| 12:49.05 | onre | nafmo is your .xinitrc/.xsession executable? |
| 12:49.10 | nafmo | Yes |
| 12:49.15 | Dabian | nafmo: Ahh .. something happened to xmodmap also |
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| 12:49.30 | nafmo | Loading xmodmap manually works fine, but it should load it from the xinitc/xsession |
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| 12:49.33 | Dabian | nafmo: I acutally do a "xmodmap <filename>" each time I start up at work. |
| 12:49.44 | onre | nafmo and it starts with #!/bin/sh? can be successfully ran from command line? |
| 12:49.58 | nafmo | onre: Yes, and yes |
| 12:50.05 | onre | you checked out .xsession-errors already? |
| 12:50.06 | Dabian | #! /bin/sh |
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| 12:50.20 | Dabian | Would probably be better, if sh would do. |
| 12:50.21 | nafmo | And how do I get Nautilus not to grab the desktop background? |
| 12:50.25 | nafmo | (without uninstalling it) |
| 12:50.25 | adaran | i have some problems enabling DMA - my IDE controller kernel module (sis5513) write this to dmesg: "SIS5513: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0" -- any ideas where to look? |
| 12:50.30 | onre | dabian, what's it with the space? |
| 12:50.33 | Dabian | nafmo: Grap the background? |
| 12:50.44 | Dabian | onre: Compatibility with old *nix |
| 12:50.53 | nafmo | Dabian: Rightclicking on the backgound gives me Nautilus' menus, not IceWMs |
| 12:50.57 | Dabian | onre: I learned about it recently, trying to grok some schript that had it. |
| 12:50.57 | onre | Dabian, oh... old SVR to be exact :P |
| 12:51.05 | nafmo | Plus that it has icons on the desktop. I don't want icons! |
| 12:51.08 | onre | yup |
| 12:51.14 | Dabian | SVR == System 5 .. R? |
| 12:51.18 | Dabian | !svr |
| 12:51.22 | onre | system V release <something> |
| 12:51.30 | onre | SVR4 is the most common |
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| 12:51.35 | Dabian | ahh |
| 12:51.36 | netboy | hmm |
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| 12:52.06 | Dabian | Its sonday. :) |
| 12:52.20 | Dabian | (sunday too) |
| 12:52.31 | DavidS | using sarge/alsa: sound recording: when i speak into the mic i hear myself on the speakers, but with (e.g) krec, I cannot capture the sound. Any ideas where I could look? |
| 12:52.35 | nafmo | Ok. I guess I have to uninstall Nautilus then. That sucks, because I would like to have it as a file manager :-/ |
| 12:52.39 | Fo | ye, so if it's sunday ... ahmm, where is my vodka :) |
| 12:52.54 | Dabian | nafmo: ? |
| 12:52.57 | nafmo | Bleh. gnome-core depends on nautilus :-( |
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| 12:53.08 | nafmo | Dabian: I don't want it to grab the desktop! |
| 12:53.21 | onre | apt-get install twm -> eternal happiness. |
| 12:53.24 | DavidS | nafmo: killall nautilus? |
| 12:53.25 | Dabian | nafmo: gnome-core is merely a meta-package, but I doubt you'll be able to successfully run gnome without it. |
| 12:53.34 | nafmo | DavidS: Tried that, it just restarts :) |
| 12:53.40 | nafmo | Hmm, maybe there is a setting for it |
| 12:53.42 | netboy | now after i do dpkg-reconfig xserver-xfree86,whatever i do there it makes no changes in XFree86Config-4 ..hmm |
| 12:53.55 | Dabian | nafmo: Nautilus is what makes your desktop icons, set the wallpaper and everything. |
| 12:53.58 | netboy | something related to md5sum ? |
| 12:53.59 | Harpi | hi everybody...i have a small matter... when i boot my computer it at a step over 2/3 times... i have written the steps which are "-Cleaning up ifupdown -calculating module dependencies -loading modules" and then it is freezed, i can't do anything just reboot ... do u have any idea ? |
| 12:54.01 | DavidS | netboy: read the first paragraph of the conf |
| 12:54.11 | nafmo | Dabian: Yes. And I don't want that. |
| 12:54.14 | nafmo | I don't want desktop icons. |
| 12:54.16 | netboy | DavidS: what do you mean / |
| 12:54.25 | nafmo | I want IceWM's desktop menus. |
| 12:54.32 | Dabian | nafmo: Then you don't want to run gnome, I guess. You can run the gnome-panel alone. |
| 12:54.41 | nafmo | I do want Gnome... :) |
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| 12:54.57 | DavidS | in the beginning of the XF86Config-4 it tells you how to regenerate a md5sum to get debconf to overwrite it.. |
| 12:54.57 | onre | harpi, overclocked machine? if not, try running memtest86. sounds like hardware failure to me. |
| 12:54.57 | nafmo | Well, if I could get gdm to log me in using my xsession/xinitrc, then I could try just running gnome-panel |
| 12:55.00 | nafmo | but it won't let me |
| 12:55.08 | Dabian | nafmo: You can use nautilus as FM, but then it will spawn your desktop icons, afaik. |
| 12:55.18 | netboy | DavidS: thanks lee me try it |
| 12:55.19 | Harpi | not averclocked |
| 12:55.27 | Harpi | it is a amd 64 |
| 12:55.27 | nafmo | Dabian: Yeah, that's the problem I had with Nautilus in Woody :-/ |
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| 12:55.45 | nafmo | I don't understand why they want to emulate this stupid behaviour from Windows. I hate it there, too :-/ |
| 12:56.08 | onre | harpi, if you can't find any reports with similar hardware by using google, i'd run memtest86 and burncpu to find out if the problem is with the hardware... this sort of random behaviour is not usually caused by software. |
| 12:56.17 | Dabian | nafmo: I think you might want to check out "gnome-commander" .. its broken at the moment, requiring famd .. but you can choose to delay that fight, and check it out .. if you like it, you can do like I did. |
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| 12:56.53 | CyL_away | Hi, I'm trying to compile a new kernel to get support for this foo device I have... the instructions said to modify some kernel files, specially the makefiles in linux/drivers/usb and linux/drivers/usb/media, and also edit linux/drivers/usb/media/Kconfig, all this to add the correct option to the kernel configuration. But now, after doing to correct modifications, make xconfig crashes saying that there are unexpected T_WORD in drivers/usb/media/Kconfig and a i |
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| 12:57.09 | nafmo | Hmmm. |
| 12:57.12 | Harpi | ok i'll try it....thanks |
| 12:57.20 | netboy | DavidS: it doesnt tell me how to do it |
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| 12:58.03 | DavidS | netboy: killed it without reading, eh? wait, have to grab the comment from mine ... |
| 12:58.34 | DavidS | md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
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| 13:00.11 | netboy | DavidS: thanks,done that,let me retry |
| 13:00.18 | Teemu_ | what's wrong with my nfs share, when I mount it, it works, I can read, and make files, but when I try to edit somefile and save it, it hangs, :/ |
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| 13:00.45 | DavidS | Teemu_: size-dependant UDP troubles? |
| 13:00.47 | arturaz | Anyone got ideas? Trying to apt-get install perl on sarge, but it fails. Tried changing sources to ftp.debian.org - same. /usr/bin/perl exists and works. Any ideas? This is the error: However the following packages replace it: |
| 13:00.51 | arturaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.53 | paulswm | CyL_away: The eithr the instructions are incorrect, or you made a mistake, or the instructions are for a different source release than the one which you're modifying. I assume that, if you're modifying kernel source, that you know C and can diagnose it |
| 13:00.54 | arturaz | E: Package perl has no installation candidate |
| 13:00.55 | takatumi | Dabian: btw, for nautilus without the desktop, use --no-desktop |
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| 13:01.16 | Teemu_ | DavidS: don't know, how I could know that? :I, Im not using iptables or ipchains |
| 13:01.36 | Teemu_ | so It could'n be iptables problem |
| 13:01.37 | netboy | DavidS: hey !! |
| 13:01.44 | netboy | DavidS: it WORKED @! lol |
| 13:01.56 | DavidS | MTU troubles? VPN, vlan, router? |
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| 13:02.09 | Dabian | netboy: :-) |
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| 13:02.23 | netboy | Thank you so much !! DavidS ,you know i was almost give it up |
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| 13:02.28 | Dabian | takatumi: Ahh .. so them manpages can be useful after all! :-P |
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| 13:02.43 | DavidS | netboy: no prob, just tell me how I can record sound with alsa :) |
| 13:02.55 | netboy | Dabian: you know what,its so strange,like now i did the same thing that i have done it many many times in the past 2 hours in configuring this X thing it didnt work lol |
| 13:02.59 | Dabian | takatumi: I think he really wants gnome-commander though .. IIRC thats the filemanager in Gnome 1.4 |
| 13:03.07 | netboy | to DavidS ,sorry |
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| 13:03.21 | Dabian | netboy: Thats how it is.. you keep trying, and suddenly it works - surprisingly. :) |
| 13:03.21 | tzafrir_laptop | Is there a simple command to "add user joe to group grp"? |
| 13:03.26 | CyL_away | paulswm<=- I assumed it wrong ;)... I'm just following the instructions... there is no patch release for these drivers, so I have to modify the kernel mannually... |
| 13:03.30 | nafmo | Ok, making progress. Got xsession to run again. Now...how do I get Gnome to read its settings if I only start gnome-panel? It defaults to using AA fonts, which I have disabled, but only sets the correct value when I go to the setup dialogs... |
| 13:03.33 | CyL_away | s/I/you |
| 13:03.46 | Dabian | netboy: Good thing about GNU/Linux and esp. debian is that you can usually find out why it worked suddenly. |
| 13:03.46 | tzafrir_laptop | with usermod I have to know what groups joe is a member of |
| 13:04.05 | netboy | DavidS: well, you will not be alone,for the truth i have a crystal sound card and im ready to be having trouble in linux ,but now now :D |
| 13:04.14 | nafmo | Or even better: How do I disable AA fonts globally, once and forever? |
| 13:04.19 | Dabian | nafmo: Did you try gnome-commander? |
| 13:04.20 | onre | netboy, integrated ac97 crystal thingy? |
| 13:04.21 | netboy | lmao |
| 13:04.21 | paulswm | Hi, PitchForkLinux, did you find the LVM howto helpful? |
| 13:04.28 | onre | netboy, i have one of those and with sarge it worked out of box |
| 13:04.30 | PitchForkLinux | need a little help with lvm2 |
| 13:04.43 | paulswm | PitchForkLinux: ask away |
| 13:04.45 | netboy | onre: a PCI cirrus logic crystal CS4624 |
| 13:04.50 | Dabian | nafmo: <takatumi> Dabian: btw, for nautilus without the desktop, use --no-desktop |
| 13:04.58 | nafmo | Dabian: Not yet |
| 13:05.10 | netboy | unforgunately,now im on sarge :( |
| 13:05.12 | onre | netboy, yup, that's AC97 if memory serves, should be no problem with ALSA drivers which are default in sarge |
| 13:05.15 | Dabian | nafmo: I think that might be what you want. .. its like a GUI MC. |
| 13:05.17 | nafmo | Dabian, takatumi: Thanks, will note that |
| 13:05.28 | netboy | i did plan to stich with stable release cuz this server is gonna be a server |
| 13:05.43 | netboy | onre: i see |
| 13:05.45 | PitchForkLinux | created lg and lv but lvm doesn't recognize them at boot. Any help here |
| 13:05.48 | DavidS | netboy: playing is no problem .. recording just sucks, and I'm quite sure I'm only missing some stpid default ... |
| 13:06.05 | paulswm | PitchForkLinux: did you put them in /etc/fstab |
| 13:06.06 | nafmo | Dabian: I'll try it as soon as I manage to get my setup working again. This is why I don't upgrade often... :) |
| 13:06.09 | onre | DavidS, what sort of recording problem you have? |
| 13:06.11 | PitchForkLinux | yep |
| 13:06.17 | paulswm | PitchForkLinux: I mean the lvs |
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| 13:06.28 | paulswm | PitchForkLinux: what filesystems did you make on them |
| 13:06.32 | DavidS | onre: I hear the mic-input on my speakers but can'T capture it with krec |
| 13:06.36 | PitchForkLinux | yes. you want to see what I have in fstab |
| 13:06.39 | netboy | DavidS: its strange, i did what you told me to before,but it didnt work,it worked right after i upgrade X from 4.1 to 4.3 hmm,really strange,i didn't have this problem when i was on debian before |
| 13:06.40 | Cyanophytes | anyone know how to compile dos programs in linux like if I have prog.c and I want to compile it to prog.exe |
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| 13:06.48 | onre | DavidS, you've selected mic as capture source in alsamixer? |
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| 13:07.06 | takatumi | Dabian: haven't tried anything earlier that 2.4, so wouldn't know. |
| 13:07.16 | nafmo | Anyone know where to disable anti-alias for fonts in X, globally? |
| 13:07.23 | tzafrir_laptop | Cyanophytes, install djcpp on a dosemu? |
| 13:07.32 | netboy | DavidS: at that time it always report one EE line read as Screen found but none have usable configuration |
| 13:07.32 | DavidS | onre: yes. i already tried it with ever source, and there is a "capture" source too, which had no influence ... |
| 13:07.41 | paulswm | PitchForkLinux: ultimately, you created a logical volume and then made a filesystem on it, right? |
| 13:07.57 | slackmartian | Is there any quick way to install xorg? |
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| 13:08.05 | onre | DavidS, how about the 'capture' level in alsamixer? |
| 13:08.09 | CyL_away | paulswm<=- the question is, if I want to enable a config option, the only makefiles I've go to edit is the ones located in the driver's path. Does the make config script does any check to see if same makefile has a newer timestamp to other file, to avoid people palying with the kernel, like I'm trying to? |
| 13:08.20 | slackmartian | and would i have to remove XF86 to do so? |
| 13:08.26 | DavidS | onre: everything at 100%, i _can_ hear it in the speakers |
| 13:08.32 | PitchForkLinux | paulswm. when looking at konq/devices it shows Hard Disc (cjs_volume_group-cjslv) [/home/share] |
| 13:08.36 | tzafrir_laptop | slackmartian, see the topic |
| 13:08.38 | CyL_away | paulswm<=- sorry, the first setenece was aquestion.... |
| 13:08.54 | onre | DavidS, but that's just proof that you've managed to route it from in to out, doesn't prove anything about the card actually capturing it :) |
| 13:08.57 | jethro | moin #debian |
| 13:09.05 | PitchForkLinux | but when I click on it it says only root can mount |
| 13:09.08 | DavidS | onre: true :-/ |
| 13:09.44 | netboy | brb,let me chat in X,i hate this console thing |
| 13:09.49 | arturaz | http://pastebin.ca/10189 <-- what's going on here? |
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| 13:09.54 | netboy | hate -> dislike :) |
| 13:10.12 | paulswm | CyL_away: if you are modifying a config option, then you'd use one of the config utilites (like 'make menuconfig'), or you could edit the .config file directly |
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| 13:10.47 | DavidS | intresting: "Capture" cannot be muted but it can be marked as a second capture source ... |
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| 13:10.59 | paulswm | PitchForkLinux: Sorry, I know nothing about KDE. Can you mount it manually using 'mount'? |
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| 13:11.14 | DavidS | I'll take that to #alsa .. let's see what they can tell ... |
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| 13:11.33 | PitchForkLinux | paulswm yes I can mount it |
| 13:11.37 | paulswm | PitchForkLinux: OK, so mount it as root, or change the fstab options so that a user can mount it, man mount for details |
| 13:11.38 | CyL_away | paulswm<=- the problem is when I invoke the config utilities they crash... saying "drivers/usb/media/Kconfig:79: syntax error, unexpected T_WORD" and "drivers/usb/media/Kconfig:87: invalid menu option" |
| 13:12.03 | PitchForkLinux | ok thanks |
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| 13:12.10 | PitchForkLinux | man mount |
| 13:12.13 | PitchForkLinux | oops |
| 13:12.21 | paulswm | PitchForkLinux: HAHA |
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| 13:13.47 | priest | is there any way to run openoffice in woody? |
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| 13:14.30 | nafmo | priest: Yes, there are packages at openoffice.debian.net |
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| 13:14.41 | paulswm | CyL_away: try with an unmodified kernel source, if it works then the problem is in your changes, that's my only suggestion as once you manually modify your kernel stuff, you're kind of on your own figuring it out :( |
| 13:14.57 | badblody | how can i extract a list of hold packages and unhold it ? |
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| 13:15.38 | DavidS | badblody: dpkg -l shows hold status in first column |
| 13:16.04 | DavidS | badblody: if you just want to un-hold _all_ packages, use dselect or synaptics |
| 13:16.27 | takatumi | badblody: try aptitude unhold <package> |
| 13:17.25 | Cyanophytes | tzafrir_laptop: where can I get djcpp |
| 13:17.32 | badblody | dpkg -l|grep hold didn't work |
| 13:17.48 | tzafrir_laptop | hmmm, that's the wrong name |
| 13:17.54 | tzafrir_laptop | djgpp? |
| 13:18.03 | tzafrir_laptop | that's thw gcc port for DOS |
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| 13:18.49 | nafmo | Hmm, which Gnome binary is responsible for reading the full preferences in 2.8? When I just start gnome-panel, it seems it's not reading all of them properly |
| 13:18.57 | CyL_away | paulswm<=- thanks a lot buddy.. the problem was a lack of a space char in the help text of the driver in Kconfig |
| 13:19.23 | paulswm | CyL_away: I am so glad for you, sorry I wasn't more help |
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| 13:21.03 | idc | :) |
| 13:21.15 | nafmo | Hmm, is there any way to make "--no-desktop" the default behaviour for nautilus? Can't find a configuration file for it. |
| 13:21.32 | gahan | whats the best to burn cds under linux? |
| 13:21.37 | Delph | cdrecord. |
| 13:21.38 | idc | In debian,which command to list the programs run at startup such like inetd ...i wanna disable some that i dont need |
| 13:22.00 | Henryk | nafmo: hehe. That's why I never use nautilus |
| 13:22.08 | gahan | Delph: what about nerolinux? |
| 13:22.14 | nafmo | Henryk: Me neither, but upgrading forced me to install it |
| 13:22.24 | Delph | nafmo: go into sessions setting and fiddle with the commandline for nautilus |
| 13:22.43 | Delph | NB This doesn't mean I use GNOME, just that there's someone here who does. |
| 13:22.58 | valdyn | gahan: k3b has the most feature rich gui for cd burning, graveman or gnomebaker are smaller and not to bad either |
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| 13:23.29 | onre | DavidS, ha! set ADC as one more capture device |
| 13:23.29 | gahan | valdyn: i'll try k3b then |
| 13:23.29 | nafmo | Hmm, getting things to work the way I want them to is going to take some time, I see |
| 13:23.33 | onre | DavidS, then it should work :) |
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| 13:23.48 | nafmo | Oh well. Better go make some lunch instead of being angry at this... |
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| 13:24.16 | DavidS | onre: ADC? I have it work now with alsarecord, trying to get artsd to play nice with it now ... |
| 13:24.20 | warhead | . |
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| 13:24.37 | onre | DavidS, from alsamixer, that is :) now it happily captures signal from mic. |
| 13:24.57 | valdyn | gahan: nerolinux not only is proprietary, it supposedly just sucks too, but I haven't tried it |
| 13:25.28 | idc | Hmm,can anyone tell me the command to list the service such like inetd like im gonna disable it |
| 13:25.58 | valdyn | idc: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:26.02 | Delph | idc: the services *in* inetd, or the services that have network sockets open? |
| 13:26.15 | idc | NO |
| 13:26.26 | idc | i mean,.hmm |
| 13:27.05 | idc | by running that command it pops up a menu with listed services ,the running one is checkmarked |
| 13:27.10 | valdyn | idc: try "rcconf" to disable for specific or all runlevels, /etc/init.d/<service> stop to stop a service |
| 13:28.31 | idc | Thanks worked |
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| 13:29.44 | ThE-FurIouS | bonjour |
| 13:30.04 | idc | if i disable 'exim',will be the local mail be transfered ? |
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| 13:31.31 | slyboots | Hi |
| 13:31.45 | takatumi | !tell badblody -about ep |
| 13:31.47 | idc | badblody, F1 race is started ? |
| 13:31.57 | Fo | lol :D |
| 13:31.58 | badblody | is ended |
| 13:32.05 | idc | impossible |
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| 13:32.08 | FieldySnuts | @lart aardvark |
| 13:32.13 | idc | wait,TV checking |
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| 13:33.34 | DavidS | onre: I have no ADC control. |
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| 13:35.44 | asg | !kill badblody for indicating the result since it isn't show in the US for another 4 hours |
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| 13:36.15 | Fo | damn, i just installed libqt-mt-dev and my kde configure hangs on : configure error Qt (>= Qt 3.3) (library qt-mt) not found ... apt-get install qt-mt didnt find anything :/ |
| 13:36.21 | bobxombie1134 | morning all |
| 13:36.42 | badblody | asg, the result isn't important ..... you have to see it |
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| 13:37.08 | asg | badblody: I plan on watching it |
| 13:37.35 | badblody | you can save it in avi? |
| 13:37.50 | Ronin | asg: its an excellent race |
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| 13:38.05 | asg | Ronin: *nod* |
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| 13:39.37 | DavidS | note to self: always test bottom up: after getting the switches right ("mic" _and_ "capture" on capture and "mic" muted) it worked with alsarecord. restarted alsa and it worked in KDE too ... |
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| 13:40.43 | Delph | 14:05 * Ebi pets a Chloe coon |
| 13:40.49 | Delph | 14:05 * Ebi pets a Chloe coon |
| 13:41.20 | Delph | sorry cat on the mouse. |
| 13:41.36 | drac | she/he ate it? |
| 13:41.41 | drac | 8) |
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| 13:43.57 | Fo | hmm, anybody knows how to enable thread support in Qt when i installed it with apt-get ? |
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| 13:46.23 | MegaByte | Does anyone know why I don`t get any sound with Debian Sarge? Modules are loaded but no sound, and mixer is correctly set. I use a sb live! 5.1 |
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| 13:46.40 | drac | Fo: I think you want libqt3-dev and libqt3-mt-dev ? |
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| 13:47.27 | PEACEYALL | sup all |
| 13:47.34 | Fo | hmm i have them |
| 13:47.46 | resiak | PEACEYALL: Lowercase. |
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| 13:48.17 | raf256 | is there some ready-to-use C++ linux gcc library for IRC client? |
| 13:48.20 | PEACEYALL | im trying to watch formula 1 live in the streaming java app on the web browser , but its just not working , i have java and flash , whats wrong? |
| 13:48.21 | PEACEYALL | gah ok |
| 13:48.43 | MegaByte | Hello? |
| 13:49.04 | peaceyall | hello |
| 13:49.06 | resiak | \o/ |
| 13:49.11 | paulswm | Hello. |
| 13:49.17 | Fo | drac : the configure error also sezz that my qt have to be compilled with thread support |
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| 13:49.43 | priest | nafmo: do you know if it's posible to add pdf-output to the stable openoffice? |
| 13:50.33 | dvs | MegaByte: What sound system are you using? |
| 13:50.52 | MegaByte | dvs, alsa |
| 13:51.08 | dvs | MegaByte: What version of the kernel are you using? |
| 13:51.19 | MegaByte | Linux debian 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:51.35 | ecivo | hey guy's any Idea where to get the irc-fish plugin (Blfish encryp) fish.sekure.us seems to be down |
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| 13:51.45 | ecivo | and it's not in apt afaik... |
| 13:51.46 | peaceyall | oh ya i think i know why , maybe its because they tell me to open port 4321 , how do i do that ? |
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| 13:51.53 | dvs | MegaByte: Did you unmute the channels? (This is not the same as raising the volume sliders) |
| 13:52.32 | peaceyall | anybody know how to open a port in linux ? |
| 13:52.35 | valdyn | Fo: what are you trying to compile? |
| 13:52.38 | gordonjcp | has anyone got a good pointer to unbreaking CUPS in Sid? |
| 13:52.39 | morydd_ | I can't get get a browser up right now. Are there any known issues that would cause XFree86 to lock up in unstable? |
| 13:52.43 | citral | if someone has or tried the thinkpad A22M with 15" screen, can you tell me if the max resolution (1400x1050) is usable? |
| 13:53.20 | Fo | valdyn : kde |
| 13:53.21 | MegaByte | dvs, lemme see |
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| 13:54.43 | MegaByte | dvs, yes they are |
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| 13:55.32 | FieldySnuts | badger. |
| 13:55.36 | dvs | MegaByte: what mixer did you use? |
| 13:55.37 | valdyn | Fo: try a "apt-get install kdebase-dev" ( dont really install it), it should list you all required packages, just skip those that are obviously part of kde |
| 13:55.40 | Oberjaeger | peaceyall, if you're not running a firewall then the port is "open" |
| 13:55.44 | peaceyall | nvm actually it does load but it takes about 1 hour to load and now it only stll loaded half , why , while in windows takes 1 sec |
| 13:55.47 | morydd_ | MegaByte: just came in, so I don't know if this has been covered, but for me (Audigy & Alsa) I had to _mute_ one of the channels to get it working. Was something like "Audigy analog output" |
| 13:55.58 | abrotman | java sucks ? |
| 13:56.11 | Fo | valdyn : thx, gonna try that |
| 13:56.16 | gordonjcp | anybody got any pointers to setting up CUPS in Sid? |
| 13:56.29 | gordonjcp | this shouldn't be *that* difficult |
| 13:56.40 | valdyn | Fo: ususally configure scripts do only 1 check for the WHOLE qt libraries that are spread over _alot_ of packages in debian unfortunately |
| 13:56.43 | dvs | gordonjcp: Have you tried it yet? |
| 13:56.47 | gordonjcp | dvs: I have |
| 13:56.56 | dvs | gordonjcp: and...? |
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| 13:57.08 | gordonjcp | it doesn't work, and I can't find out enough from it to tell me why |
| 13:57.46 | gordonjcp | it's pretty simple, all I want to do is add a postscript printer that understands LPD |
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| 13:58.20 | gordonjcp | dvs: the web front end isn't working, which is how I'd normally do it |
| 13:58.35 | MegaByte | dvs, I used gnome mixer |
| 13:58.58 | dvs | MegaByte: Try alsamixergui |
| 13:59.22 | dvs | gordonjcp: did the web front end ever work? |
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| 13:59.49 | gordonjcp | dvs: it did in Slackware, this is a fresh install of Sid |
| 14:00.11 | gordonjcp | I know that's not really comparing like with like |
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| 14:00.28 | gordonjcp | ahaa |
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| 14:00.36 | madclicker | ahoy |
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| 14:00.50 | gordonjcp | dvs: getting somewhere, it insists on 127.0.0.1:631, not 192.x.x.x:631 |
| 14:00.59 | madclicker | how to reinstall the existing kernel? |
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| 14:01.29 | dvs | gordonjcp: Why would it want 192.x.x.x? You're trying to configure your local machine, right? |
| 14:01.32 | danwolf | OK, I installed a new later kernel, then reinstalled the Nvidia drivers, and now it says its not configured right |
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| 14:01.46 | danwolf | can someone help me out with getting it configured right? |
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| 14:02.13 | gordonjcp | dvs: because I don't have a browser installed on the machine I want to set up CUPS on |
| 14:02.26 | mikeX | danwolf, what isn't? |
| 14:02.38 | danwolf | XFree86 I guess |
| 14:02.52 | gordonjcp | dvs: now the next problem is it doesn't have very many printers listed |
| 14:02.54 | danwolf | it tries to start gdm a few times, then dies and errors |
| 14:03.09 | mikeX | danwolf, well, what's the error message? did you read the README about setting up XFree86 for the nvidia drivers first? |
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| 14:03.49 | danwolf | isnt there like a dpkg-reconfigure command to redo the settings? |
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| 14:04.02 | gordonjcp | dvs: what's the next set of packages I need to install? |
| 14:04.02 | dvs | !drxx danwolf |
| 14:04.03 | dpkg | danwolf: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 14:04.03 | danwolf | mikeX: I can't remember it |
| 14:04.08 | Fo | valdyn : something tells me that i will have to compile qt from sources --with thred option |
| 14:04.12 | danwolf | dpkg: lemme try that |
| 14:04.25 | dvs | gordonjcp: I didn't have to install any more packages for me LaserJet 1300 |
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| 14:04.50 | mikeX | danwolf, dpkg is a bot : ) |
| 14:04.53 | gordonjcp | dvs: I'm using a Tektronix Phaser 560 |
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| 14:05.57 | dvs | gordonjcp: I think the CUPS pdf creator package has a colour PostScript driver in it. |
| 14:06.03 | renegad3 | whats a good disk imaging package? |
| 14:06.03 | niskin | how can I control the nvidia settings - using Xandros 3 -I having probloms starting my Xandros - think it is nvidia making trouble |
| 14:06.14 | drac | niskin: #xandros |
| 14:06.19 | drac | !d-i niskin |
| 14:06.20 | dpkg | niskin, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:06.21 | mwilson | gordonjcp: A Phaser 560 is an expensive printer to run... :) |
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| 14:06.37 | dvs | !xandros |
| 14:06.37 | dpkg | it has been said that xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 14:06.45 | drac | _crappy_ indeed =) |
| 14:06.53 | MegaByte | dvs, it seems all is unmuted :( |
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| 14:07.03 | dvs | MegaByte: That's the problem |
| 14:07.09 | gordonjcp | mwilson: yeah, but see when someone rings you up and says "My boss has just told me to get this bloody great printer and stack of consumables off the loading dock, how big is your car boot?"... |
| 14:07.14 | niskin | sorry - geeks |
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| 14:07.33 | dvs | car boot? Must be in the UK. |
| 14:07.45 | mwilson | gordonjcp: But it's just a PS printer... get the PPD for it from Xerox (who owns Tektronix now) and you're good to go. You don't need any special driver for it. |
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| 14:08.04 | Kid_Sk8 | bom dia |
| 14:08.08 | Kid_Sk8 | Alguem usa o WindowMaker |
| 14:08.15 | Kid_Sk8 | ops |
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| 14:08.31 | Kid_Sk8 | sory |
| 14:08.33 | Kid_Sk8 | sorry |
| 14:08.57 | mwilson | http://www.office.xerox.com/cgi-bin/DriverD.pl?printer_type=560&file_type=driver&language=en |
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| 14:09.18 | gordonjcp | mwilson: I downloaded the cupsomatic PPDs |
| 14:09.24 | gordonjcp | awwwww bloody brilliant |
| 14:09.35 | gordonjcp | the PPD is conveniently enough stored in an EXE file |
| 14:09.44 | dvs | hahaha |
| 14:09.45 | mwilson | gordonjcp: Don't use those, use a real PPD. |
| 14:09.47 | mwilson | http://lprng.sourceforge.net/DISTRIB/RESOURCES/PPD/tkp560p1.ppd |
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| 14:09.58 | mwilson | That's Adobe's PPD for it. |
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| 14:10.43 | madclicker | how would i regenerate modules files? |
| 14:10.43 | danwolf | dpkg: that still didnt work |
| 14:11.02 | danwolf | oh dpkg is a bot |
| 14:11.09 | danwolf | well mikeX that didnt work for me |
| 14:11.12 | dvs | !pal danwolf |
| 14:11.12 | aardvark | !irritate danwolf |
| 14:11.14 | dpkg | danwolf: Y iz debain so old? who uses gnome kk |
| 14:11.18 | mwilson | gordonjcp: Drop it in /usr/share/cups/model |
| 14:11.31 | dvs | danwolf: and a mean bot at that ;-) |
| 14:11.37 | danwolf | huh |
| 14:11.40 | streuner | madclicker: demod -a? |
| 14:11.44 | mikeX | danwolf, if you edited XF86Config-4 manually dpkg-reconfigure won't update it |
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| 14:11.49 | streuner | madclicker: depmod -a? |
| 14:11.57 | danwolf | mikeX: really |
| 14:11.58 | danwolf | ok |
| 14:12.18 | streuner | madclicker: rephrase that question again |
| 14:12.33 | dvs | madclicker: don't tell me you deleted them. |
| 14:12.37 | mikeX | danwolf, look at the beginning of the file for what to do to change that |
| 14:13.05 | danwolf | hmm, well mikeX my XF86 file looks fine |
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| 14:13.38 | madclicker | streuner: i needed to reinstall grub, so i used net-install cd, now my modules are toast. How do I regenerate the files? |
| 14:13.39 | danwolf | mikeX: modprobe nvidia gives me nothing |
| 14:13.49 | mwilson | gordonjcp: Anything but actual vendor PPD's are usually sh*t. |
| 14:14.20 | mikeX | danwolf, by nothing you mean an error message saying the module cannot be found? to an 'lsmod | grep nvidia' do see if it's loaded |
| 14:14.45 | madclicker | streuner: I am using sarge and even when i remove modules.conf, it still tries to load some post install modules |
| 14:14.47 | streuner | madclicker: Did you re-install whole debian system? /usr/lib/modules are empty? |
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| 14:15.01 | danwolf | mikeX: yeah I get nvidia and agpgart |
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| 14:15.12 | dvs | madclicker: Modules are loaded from /etc/modules |
| 14:15.45 | madclicker | streuner: I don't have /usr/lib/modules |
| 14:15.58 | cahoot | madclicker: skip the /usr part |
| 14:16.01 | streuner | madclicker: /lib/modules? |
| 14:16.17 | madclicker | streuner: i got that |
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| 14:16.40 | danwolf | mikeX: everything worked ok until I updated my kernel |
| 14:16.50 | streuner | madclicker: so you removed /etc/modules.conf? |
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| 14:17.02 | Nijan | Hello, i want to burn a cd of .deb package i want to use as a normal source, is there a tool to do this? i did'nt found |
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| 14:17.13 | danwolf | mikeX: and installed the nvidia drivers again |
| 14:17.47 | madclicker | streuner: i did, because there are a lot of post install stuff in it and non of my modules are loading |
| 14:17.52 | dvs | madclicker: as root, update-modules |
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| 14:18.30 | mikeX | danwolf, maybe the nvidia drivers dont' work for that kernel? but i guess that should give you errors at install/compile time |
| 14:18.42 | madclicker | dvs: depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 14:19.16 | madclicker | dvs: i get a whole bunch of these errors at boot time |
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| 14:19.52 | caphuso | !qm_modules |
| 14:19.52 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 14:20.01 | CyL_away | Has the MTD option in kernel config anything to do with pendrives? |
| 14:20.21 | madclicker | streuner: yes i did, but still there is modules are being loaded from post-install |
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| 14:20.34 | maxdcy | will i gain any speed i i recompile the stock kernel using system specific gcc flags ? |
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| 14:20.46 | mwilson | maxdcy: No. |
| 14:20.57 | mikeX | maxdcy, maybe, maybe not |
| 14:21.01 | gordonjcp | mwilson: done that, restarted cupsys, and it doesn't show up |
| 14:21.15 | streuner | madclicker: You fscked the whole system by deleting random files, and now you asking how to fix this? |
| 14:21.28 | mwilson | gordonjcp: It's not going to just "show up"... you have to create a printer. |
| 14:21.39 | streuner | madclicker: re-install |
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| 14:21.43 | idc | whats wrong with 'free' ? i am only running xchat but it reports 197MB RAM being used |
| 14:21.55 | mwilson | idc: Nothing is. |
| 14:21.57 | mikeX | danwolf, again, without the X error message I don't think anyone can help you... look at the log file |
| 14:21.59 | streuner | madclicker: backup important data |
| 14:22.00 | madclicker | streuner: sweet, just what i need |
| 14:22.12 | mikeX | idc, free reports cached memory too |
| 14:22.15 | maxdcy | most of it its used for caching data idc |
| 14:22.36 | gordonjcp | mwilson: yes, I *know* I have to create a printer, but I cannot choose Tektronix in the Model/Driver page |
| 14:22.53 | idc | So on earth how many RAM is being used exactly ? |
| 14:23.18 | tarzeau | idc: xosview ? |
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| 14:23.33 | idc | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 14:23.36 | idc | 257664 197136 60528 29188 73984 97140 |
| 14:23.38 | paulswm | Noooooooooo |
| 14:23.52 | maxdcy | free -m is more meaningfull |
| 14:24.22 | maxdcy | subtract the cached from the used and you will know |
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| 14:24.44 | idc | maxdcy, huh ? |
| 14:24.50 | gordonjcp | mwilson: ahaa, cracked it |
| 14:24.58 | gordonjcp | mwilson: the PPD downloaded from that link is mangled |
| 14:25.05 | mikeX | idc, well you should be able to see one more line with the +/- buffers/cache |
| 14:25.16 | mwilson | gordonjcp: Oh? |
| 14:25.21 | gordonjcp | mwilson: yup |
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| 14:25.39 | paulswm | idc: So, that's how your memory is being used. Unused memory is useless, so Linux uses it to cache data, thereby potentiall improving performance by reducing disk accesses |
| 14:25.40 | gordonjcp | mwilson: possibly some DOS-induced confusion between ^M and ^J |
| 14:25.44 | idc | mikeX, yeah,there says used 25,free 226 |
| 14:25.51 | idc | what does that mean ? |
| 14:26.18 | streuner | !tell madclicker about unix lessons |
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| 14:26.37 | idc | oh |
| 14:26.49 | Unskill3d | how do i remove an environment variable? |
| 14:26.54 | mikeX | !tell mikeX about unix lessons |
| 14:27.08 | foo | I want to get the network install of debian, which file do I get herE: http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/ ? Is woody another name for debian or something? Probably http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/woody-i386-1.iso |
| 14:27.09 | streuner | madclicker: #6 - if you don't know what you have to delete don't delete it, just ask first or read something |
| 14:27.10 | idc | paulswm, so only '25MB' of physical RAM is being used in this matter ? |
| 14:27.34 | madclicker | streuner: all i wanted is reintall grub with "net-install" cd |
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| 14:27.46 | paulswm | Unskill3d: in bash, it's 'unset A' where A is the var name |
| 14:27.49 | streuner | madclicker: via chroot |
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| 14:28.01 | madclicker | streuner: yeap |
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| 14:28.04 | streuner | madclicker: but not to just run netinstall |
| 14:28.09 | Unskill3d | thx paulswm |
| 14:28.12 | gordonjcp | mwilson: I ran over it with vim, it's working now |
| 14:28.13 | paulswm | idc: no |
| 14:28.20 | citral | what's the difference between celeron and PIII-m ? |
| 14:28.23 | paulswm | Unskill3d: You're welcome :) |
| 14:28.53 | maxdcy | speedstep/ more l2 cache on p3-m |
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| 14:29.01 | idc | lost |
| 14:29.03 | resiak | citral: Is this a Celeron III or a Celeron 4? |
| 14:29.06 | streuner | madclicker: so you boot netinstall and did run grub-reinstall via chroot? |
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| 14:29.15 | CaKoRt | hi |
| 14:29.22 | streuner | s/via/into/ |
| 14:29.27 | idc | SO within the 'used 197MB' ram how many RAM is actually being used ? |
| 14:29.28 | resiak | citral: pentiumm >> celeron4. |
| 14:29.35 | madclicker | streuner: there is no rescue mode, but when the menu appears there is an option to "install grub boot loader" so i went there, but it started to install some other stuff before it errored out |
| 14:30.03 | citral | resiak: that's the problem, they give almost no specs for a satellite, just "celeron 1.06 GHz" |
| 14:30.17 | streuner | madclicker: ask somebody else then, i have no idea about grub at all |
| 14:30.39 | citral | resiak: but on the toshiba website, they say this model is equipped with a pentium III m... strange |
| 14:30.49 | mwilson | gordonjcp: Works now, then? |
| 14:30.52 | madclicker | streuner: i managed to reinstall grub, but also mess up the modules. |
| 14:30.54 | streuner | madclicker: so why not use 'chroot' and run that grub-reinstall then? |
| 14:31.00 | resiak | citral: Hmm. I have a Toshiba with a pentiumm... Does it mention Centrino anywhere? |
| 14:31.11 | resiak | idc: All of it, but that's a _good_ thing. |
| 14:31.13 | citral | not at all |
| 14:31.17 | resiak | idc: If it's not being used, it's wasted. |
| 14:31.28 | resiak | citral: Oh well. I was going to say, if it does, it's an -m. |
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| 14:31.40 | resiak | citral: (but not a -m in a bad way :)) |
| 14:31.47 | citral | resiak: it's the satellite pro 6000, second hand for 435 Euros. not bad I think. |
| 14:31.52 | madclicker | streuner: didnt know that, i couldnt use chroot untill the right modules from netinstall were loaded for me to mount the file system |
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| 14:31.58 | citral | with 3 months warranty |
| 14:32.23 | streuner | madclicker: i hardly believe that netinstall hasn't chroot... |
| 14:32.32 | resiak | citral: Sounds nice. |
| 14:32.40 | idc | THe official debian secure source doesn't work for me,is this normal ? |
| 14:32.43 | maxdcy | apt-build rocks :) |
| 14:32.56 | idc | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 14:32.59 | nomed^ | where is mg123 included? |
| 14:33.00 | madclicker | streuner: i was here yesterday , and apparentley there are non for "rescue mode" |
| 14:33.03 | resiak | nomed^: in non-free |
| 14:33.07 | resiak | nomed^: Why not use mpg321 |
| 14:33.10 | idc | i got many Err says connecting reset by peer |
| 14:33.12 | nomed^ | ok |
| 14:33.17 | Unskill3d | narf i dont get it: i set the net-address and net-mask in gftp to 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 but it still tries to connect via proxy. any idea? |
| 14:33.35 | streuner | madclicker: When did you install debian? |
| 14:33.38 | idc | is anyone having this problem ? |
| 14:33.51 | resiak | idc: Maybe it's down. |
| 14:33.52 | idc | oh wait |
| 14:33.54 | resiak | idc: Try again later. |
| 14:34.02 | Nijan | Hello, i want to burn a cd of .deb package i want to use as a normal source, is there a tool to do this? i did'nt found |
| 14:34.11 | madclicker | streuner: a few weeks ago i am an RPM distro guy :), i could fix that. |
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| 14:34.28 | idc | my main source points to 'sarge',i should do the same in the 'secure update' line ? |
| 14:34.42 | streuner | Nijan: just use cdrecord |
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| 14:35.05 | citral | ah! I'm blind. |
| 14:35.08 | resiak | idc: No, because sarge isn't stable yet. Just leave it. |
| 14:35.17 | Nijan | shoud i make the structure of the my debian cd or is meaningless? |
| 14:35.33 | idc | resiak, so this one will work ? deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 14:35.51 | streuner | Nijan: no need to make a structure |
| 14:36.19 | streuner | Nijan: apt-cdrom add do that for you |
| 14:36.21 | Unskill3d | narf i dont get it: i set the net-address and net-mask in gftp to 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 but it still tries to connect via proxy. any idea? |
| 14:36.21 | idc | strange,i remember it should have 'contrib no-free' after 'main' ..hmm |
| 14:36.22 | resiak | idc: It will work when Sarge goes stable. Just leave it alone. |
| 14:36.42 | idc | resiak, comment it ? |
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| 14:36.54 | resiak | idc: LEAVE IT ALONE |
| 14:37.11 | tarzeau | resiak: when does it go stable? |
| 14:37.20 | idc | okay |
| 14:37.23 | paulswm | Yeah, resiak, when? |
| 14:37.27 | paulswm | :P |
| 14:37.40 | tarzeau | when main freezes, but when is it going to happen? |
| 14:37.56 | idc | i mean,there is no 'contrib non-free' after 'main' for the secure update line ? |
| 14:38.05 | tarzeau | idc: yes |
| 14:38.12 | tarzeau | idc: because contrib and non-free is not debian |
| 14:38.25 | idc | yes ? |
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| 14:38.31 | tarzeau | idc: no it's not |
| 14:38.42 | idc | fine,thanks :) |
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| 14:39.07 | tarzeau | idc: you're welcome. only main is debian |
| 14:39.10 | madclicker | with sarge when using 2.6 kernel, which file is used to load modules? |
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| 14:39.21 | tarzeau | madclicker: /etc/modules |
| 14:39.24 | ernst | hallo |
| 14:39.27 | idc | tarzeau, really ? but my other working source has them |
| 14:39.34 | dvs | madclicker: It's was always /etc/modules |
| 14:39.39 | tarzeau | idc: it's not debian |
| 14:39.41 | idc | its like i always have them for the main source |
| 14:39.48 | danwolf | Anyone know what caught signal 11 means in XFree log? |
| 14:39.52 | madclicker | tarzeau: there is only 4 lines in that file |
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| 14:39.57 | idc | tarzeau, huh ? |
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| 14:40.36 | resiak | idc: It's not part of Debian. They're provided for convenience only. |
| 14:40.38 | ernst | ok ? |
| 14:40.39 | dvs | madclicker: They all start with #? |
| 14:40.39 | streuner | danwolf: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 14:40.40 | paulswm | idc: contrib and non-free are part of the debian distros, but they are separated becuase of licensing restrictions |
| 14:40.49 | danwolf | streuner: whats that going to do? |
| 14:40.51 | tarzeau | they are not shipped on cds |
| 14:40.53 | madclicker | dvs: nope |
| 14:40.54 | idc | tarzeau, i mean my other source is end up with 'man contrib non-free' and from there i got many packages downloaded and installed and working fine now |
| 14:41.13 | dvs | madclicker: Then write them here (I'm pretty sure they're short lines) |
| 14:41.23 | madclicker | dvs: ill tell u in a second, i just reformated |
| 14:41.30 | idc | oh okay |
| 14:41.32 | danwolf | streuner: it doesnt seem to work |
| 14:41.44 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 14:41.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 14:41.58 | paulswm | tarzeau: Yes re cd's, I am trying to give a simple answer if a little inaccurate :) |
| 14:41.59 | streuner | !tell danwolf about nvidia one-liner |
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| 14:42.28 | streuner | !tell danwolf about nvidia |
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| 14:43.03 | danwolf | streuner: so I shouldnt have used the nvidia installer? |
| 14:43.06 | danwolf | streuner: damn |
| 14:43.10 | ernst | bye |
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| 14:43.21 | streuner | danwolf: sarge? |
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| 14:43.41 | danwolf | streuner: yes |
| 14:43.52 | danwolf | streuner: could you walk me through the fix? |
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| 14:44.44 | streuner | danwolf: read nvidia-howto for sarge, the others are for unstable/sid |
| 14:45.02 | streuner | danwolf: read what Lsorensen tell you about in his .txt file |
| 14:45.09 | danwolf | where do I read that? |
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| 14:45.28 | danwolf | streuner: I dont have X so its hard to get anything online |
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| 14:45.42 | resiak | streuner: nvidia-glx is back in sarge |
| 14:45.48 | madclicker | dvs: i dont have less to view the file just yet, is there a low level viewer? |
| 14:45.59 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx sarge |
| 14:46.01 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 14:46.16 | resiak | streuner: See? I've amended the one-liner accordingly. |
| 14:46.17 | streuner | danwolf: apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 14:46.22 | dvs | madclicker: How about "more"? |
| 14:46.38 | streuner | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:46.38 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. see <non-free sources> |
| 14:46.46 | madclicker | dvs: roger |
| 14:46.46 | fake_ | I?ve a problem getting 2 Soundcards working, the 1st soundcard is onboard, the 2nd pci, they use different interrupts, when I insert the pci-device, the onboard-soundcard disappears in lscpi. Whats wrong? |
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| 14:46.58 | resiak | streuner: I'm not completely incompetant :) |
| 14:47.13 | streuner | resiak: Who the hell said this? |
| 14:47.31 | resiak | streuner: I'm kidding. I vaguely thought you were !nvidia one-liner-ing to check it. |
| 14:47.32 | danwolf | streuner: says I already have it |
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| 14:47.52 | madclicker | dvs: this is what i got: ide-cd, ide-disk, ide-generic, psmouse, sbp2, sd_mod, sr_mod |
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| 14:48.05 | Schnitz | hi all |
| 14:48.06 | streuner | danwolf: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 14:48.28 | ernst | hallo |
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| 14:48.55 | dvs | madclicker: ide-disk? ide-generic? I hope those are compiled into the kernel. Otherwise, I don't know how your system can boot. |
| 14:49.10 | Schnitz | i use sarge and when playing streams in xmms (for example: http://www.foo.org/bar.mp3) i can't "search" them |
| 14:49.22 | Schnitz | means jump to a playing position |
| 14:49.25 | Schnitz | with gentoo it worked... |
| 14:49.25 | idc | i ran 'firefox',accidently clicked unmaxiume now its gone out of desktop but its shown with doing 'ps aux' ,? |
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| 14:49.46 | Schnitz | idc, pkill firefox? ;-) |
| 14:50.00 | Schnitz | does anyone now a plugin or s.th. that could help me? |
| 14:50.04 | resiak | idc: Why not remaximise it. |
| 14:50.10 | cahoot | idc: right click on background? |
| 14:50.15 | idc | resiak, i do not find it now |
| 14:50.21 | resiak | idc: What wm are you using? |
| 14:50.23 | mikeX | idc, what window manager? |
| 14:50.27 | madclicker | dvs: thats what i mean by "sarge is confusing" in regular distros with 2.6 i would use "/etc/modprobe.conf" with 2.4 "/etc/modules.conf" with sarge " ihave not a clue" |
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| 14:50.49 | idc | cahoot, i right clicked on the title bar in mozillar,accidently click 'unmaxiume' |
| 14:50.52 | Schnitz | madclicker, /etc/modules |
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| 14:51.04 | idc | windows maker |
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| 14:51.06 | Schnitz | works for me...with sarge and 2.6.x kernel |
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| 14:51.12 | resiak | madclicker: To add modules? echo modulename >> /etc/modules . Reaaaally easy and sane. |
| 14:51.18 | resiak | idc: What's wrong with alt-tab? |
| 14:51.37 | dvs | madclicker: Debian has always used "/etc/modules" to indicate which modules to load. "/etc/modules.conf" contains aliases that modules can use. |
| 14:51.37 | streuner | resiak: he randomly delete files in /etc |
| 14:51.43 | danwolf | streuner: I cant follow that |
| 14:51.55 | Schnitz | ernst, what are you sending me? |
| 14:52.00 | streuner | danwolf: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 14:52.04 | resiak | streuner: Oh. WHY?! |
| 14:52.09 | ernst | :-) xchat speech script |
| 14:52.14 | idc | resiak, from there i switch to mozilla,but it wont bring it up |
| 14:52.21 | resiak | idc: *shrug* |
| 14:52.25 | Schnitz | what for??? |
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| 14:52.28 | idc | i am seeing its docked on destop |
| 14:52.30 | madclicker | dvs: who knows, if that is true, why isn't it contain my eth0 module alias? |
| 14:52.34 | idc | hmm |
| 14:52.35 | streuner | resiak: he thought that wouldn't solve the error by booting the kernel |
| 14:52.37 | ernst | sorry i'm stupid |
| 14:52.38 | danwolf | streuner: I use gdm |
| 14:52.45 | resiak | streuner: Niiiiice. |
| 14:52.49 | resiak | !sing sunday |
| 14:52.49 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 14:53.10 | ernst | do you know about xchat speech.pl ? |
| 14:53.11 | streuner | resiak: s/wouldn't/would/ |
| 14:53.13 | idc | oh,worked :) |
| 14:53.29 | toresbe | !root |
| 14:53.30 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 14:53.32 | resiak | :be madclicker barbie is <reply> Not deleting random files in /etc is haaard! |
| 14:53.44 | toresbe | !irc root |
| 14:53.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irc root is don't even think |
| 14:53.50 | toresbe | heh |
| 14:53.53 | dvs | madclicker: That's what I said. modules.conf contains aliases and other configuration item. It does NOT say which modules to load. |
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| 14:54.20 | ernst | does anyone have a Palm ? |
| 14:54.30 | resiak | Damn my o key. |
| 14:54.47 | ernst | maybe a Tungsten ? |
| 14:55.06 | ernst | T5 |
| 14:55.13 | ernst | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.31 | ernst | :'-( |
| 14:55.32 | dvs | ernet: I have an E but I dont use it with Linux. |
| 14:55.34 | resiak | ernst: Why not just ask your question. |
| 14:55.37 | madclicker | dvs: ok, so for example if i change nic cards, from lets say realtek to intel, why is it that kernel still loads realtek module? |
| 14:55.49 | ernst | i have a T5 |
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| 14:55.55 | resiak | madclicker: Because the intel card actually has a realtek chip? |
| 14:56.05 | ernst | and the Processor ist the same as a Pocket PC |
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| 14:56.09 | dvs | madclicker: Because the alias eth0 probabl points to the realtek module. |
| 14:56.14 | madclicker | resaik: tough sunday? |
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| 14:56.26 | resiak | madclicker: Why would you say that? :) |
| 14:56.28 | ernst | and for Pocket PC is the new familar Linux |
| 14:56.34 | ernst | but not for Tungsten |
| 14:56.55 | Schnitz | in which file are the options configured when a module is loaded at boot time? |
| 14:56.59 | madclicker | dvs: alias in which file, sure as hell not in /etc/modules, cause it in't there |
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| 14:57.13 | STuFf0r | Can anyone help me? I cant get my Joystick working. Ist pluged in at the Game-Port... |
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| 14:57.19 | streuner | Schnitz: /etc/modules |
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| 14:57.46 | Schnitz | streuner, i didn't add the module to /etc/modules |
| 14:57.57 | ernst | do anyone have Palm Videos ? |
| 14:58.00 | Schnitz | but debian loads bttv and other tv stuff automatically |
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| 14:58.07 | Schnitz | while booting |
| 14:58.12 | streuner | Schnitz: discover |
| 14:58.17 | ernst | i have Videos for the mmplayer but in German |
| 14:58.32 | Schnitz | streuner, yes discover |
| 14:58.49 | streuner | Schnitz: look at the configuration files for discover then |
| 14:58.59 | ernst | but i have Missundercover in English |
| 14:59.00 | dvs | madclicker: Try /etc/modutils/arch/i386 |
| 14:59.22 | ernst | do any have german Videos |
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| 14:59.23 | ernst | ? |
| 14:59.47 | dvs | madclicker: Actually try "find /etc/modutils -type f | xargs grep 'eth0'" (without the quotes) |
| 14:59.59 | STuFf0r | Can anyone help me? I cant get my Joystick working. Ist pluged in at the Game-Port... |
| 15:00.17 | fake_ | I?ve a problem getting 2 Soundcards working, the 1st soundcard is onboard, the 2nd pci, they use different interrupts, when I insert the pci-device, the onboard-soundcard disappears in lscpi. Whats wrong? |
| 15:00.48 | streuner | fake_: disable on-board chip via BIOS |
| 15:00.49 | dvs | ernst: Don't /msg me |
| 15:00.56 | ernst | ok |
| 15:00.58 | idc | shall i get gnome ? i am on sarge |
| 15:01.18 | resiak | idc: Do you want GNOME? |
| 15:01.35 | Schnitz | streuner, do you know the file...i couldn't find something suitable |
| 15:01.36 | idc | unless it takes lots of system source ? |
| 15:01.45 | shingouz | idc: it is a hog |
| 15:01.46 | resiak | idc: "system source"?! |
| 15:01.54 | fake_ | streuner: I allready tried it, didn?t help |
| 15:02.02 | idc | resiak, yeah,RAM,CPU ...etc |
| 15:02.07 | MeneM | idc: You could try xfce4 of oscilation. It's easier on the hardware |
| 15:02.30 | mikeX | idc, it's "resource" |
| 15:02.39 | idc | oh ,never mind |
| 15:02.44 | resiak | idc: Use Openbox and be a Real Man(TM) or Real Woman(TM) as appropriate! |
| 15:02.45 | streuner | Schnitz: remove discover and make sure you have the module for your NIC loaded |
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| 15:02.51 | MeneM | I'm suggesting xfce4 because there are nice debian packages available. |
| 15:02.52 | mikeX | idc, i would go with MeneM's suggestion (xfce4) |
| 15:02.56 | shingouz | idc: icewm also seems to be very light. not to mention blackbox and all the other *boxen |
| 15:03.05 | mikeX | idc, apt-get install xfce4 |
| 15:03.06 | streuner | fake_: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 15:03.48 | idc | hmm |
| 15:03.48 | MeneM | idc: visit www.os-works.com |
| 15:03.58 | idc | ok,checking |
| 15:03.58 | smacnay | first time I have ever seen an error like this: |
| 15:04.01 | smacnay | MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 0. |
| 15:04.01 | smacnay | Bank 2: 940040000000017a |
| 15:04.14 | dvs | ECC memory? |
| 15:04.24 | madclicker | dvs: none , there is only a few commented out in arch/s390 |
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| 15:04.41 | dvs | madclicker: What kernel are you using? |
| 15:04.53 | nuxi | Hi |
| 15:05.04 | smacnay | dvs: I am using the most recent 2.6.8 kernel source. |
| 15:05.08 | EvilMonkey | what's the sourcelist item that I need to add for mplayer again? |
| 15:05.12 | EvilMonkey | morrilla? |
| 15:05.16 | EvilMonkey | forgot |
| 15:05.17 | caphuso | EvilMonkey: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 15:05.20 | shingouz | EvilMonkey: marillat |
| 15:05.23 | EvilMonkey | tgabjs |
| 15:05.27 | madclicker | dvs: 2.6.8-2-386 on x86 |
| 15:05.44 | MeneM | evilmonkey: this one? deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main |
| 15:05.46 | smacnay | EvilMonkey: I would just get it from the mplayer site and compile yourself (it has always worked better that way for me). |
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| 15:05.57 | dvs | madclicker: Oh, then try "find /etc/modprobe.d -type f | xargs grep 'eth0'" (without the quotes) |
| 15:06.10 | caphuso | smacnay: hundreds of people have used marillat's packages without problems |
| 15:06.27 | dvs | smacnay: yup |
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| 15:06.52 | smacnay | caphuso: well, I am not one of them - although it has been a long time since I tried his. |
| 15:06.56 | MeneM | sorry guy's new to the group, it seems /msg dpkg is more helpfull than I thought. |
| 15:07.10 | smacnay | caphuso: I am not putting them down, just saying that I had better luck compiling my own. |
| 15:07.14 | FieldySnuts | !lart MeneM |
| 15:07.25 | dvs | ha! |
| 15:07.40 | dvs | Commodore 64 style! |
| 15:07.49 | streuner | !fuck MeneM |
| 15:07.59 | smacnay | caphuso: thanks for your emacs help last night. emacs is a very involved program!! |
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| 15:08.20 | madclicker | dvs: i tried for eth0 and the module name "8139too" nothing |
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| 15:08.38 | smacnay | caphuso: I assumed that emacs would pick up all syntax in tex docs automatically but your help was very useful. |
| 15:08.40 | idc | before i installed debian,someone mentioned that NASA uses linux ,no joke ? |
| 15:09.05 | resiak | idc: OMG SOMEONE USES IT!!!! |
| 15:09.14 | dvs | madclicker: Then it's a mystery to me. |
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| 15:09.18 | idc | lol |
| 15:09.30 | idc | resiak, was just wondering ;) |
| 15:09.47 | karsten | idc: Where do you think Don Becker worked? |
| 15:10.08 | idc | no idea who DOn becker is ? |
| 15:10.13 | karsten | idc: ...he being author of many of the network device drivers. |
| 15:10.31 | dvs | idc: He made some NIC drivers a while back. |
| 15:10.32 | voltz | Can nautilus display a directory of photos as a slideshow or photo collection? (using testing) |
| 15:10.42 | Henryk | hmpf, compiling software under debian is frustrating |
| 15:10.43 | idc | oh |
| 15:11.10 | streuner | Henryk: do you know what developers prefer mostly? |
| 15:11.19 | Henryk | streuner: ? |
| 15:11.25 | zephyr | apt-get portage.. if it works :) |
| 15:11.27 | streuner | Henryk: guess, which distro? |
| 15:11.30 | Henryk | hehe |
| 15:11.36 | streuner | ;-) |
| 15:11.47 | js_ | compiling on debian is wonderful |
| 15:11.54 | mikeX | Henryk, why do you say that? |
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| 15:12.01 | Henryk | I know that _I_ prefer Gentoo for that use case, because all the development tools are there by definition |
| 15:12.03 | shingouz | streuner: linspire? ;) |
| 15:12.09 | Henryk | mikeX: because i'm frustrated |
| 15:12.09 | mikeX | Henryk, try apt-build |
| 15:12.14 | Talnakh | guys, try to add netbsd packages as well :-) |
| 15:12.42 | Henryk | mikeX: what's that? |
| 15:12.49 | PitchForkLinux | Hi all- just plugged in two 300gig hds. How can i tell if they are being recognized? |
| 15:13.01 | shingouz | PitchForkLinux: dmesg |
| 15:13.01 | LordFrith | Did your syustem say, "Hey! I know you!" |
| 15:13.06 | dvs | PitchForkLinux: fdisk -l |
| 15:13.19 | Henryk | mikeX: ah, found it. not in stable |
| 15:13.23 | mikeX | Henryk, well it's a tool to make apt behave a bit like portage |
| 15:13.26 | PitchForkLinux | thanks |
| 15:13.36 | mikeX | Henryk, stable? oops... |
| 15:13.39 | mikeX | : D |
| 15:13.44 | Henryk | hehe |
| 15:13.49 | mikeX | Henryk, you shouldn't be comparing gentoo with stable |
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| 15:14.19 | Henryk | i obviously shouldn't |
| 15:14.47 | resiak | Henryk: Why should gcc etc be there? Most users don't need them. |
| 15:14.48 | FieldySnuts | Henryk: as a gentoo user, i wouldn't even mention it ever in here, it'll just get you flamed |
| 15:14.55 | nuxi | which is the procedure to install a system in RAID 1 ? |
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| 15:15.38 | nuxi | One, to prepare in first the HDD for RAID 1 and then to launch the installation |
| 15:16.07 | mikeX | Henryk, i meant it in a 'it's not fair' way |
| 15:16.12 | Henryk | resiak: true, but I need them. And I don't have a problem selecting C Development in tasksel, just then I do expect to have things like libssl-dev already installed |
| 15:16.37 | resiak | Henryk: Again, why would the average person need them? And your package presumably has a list of what it depends on ... right? If not, why nto? |
| 15:16.38 | streuner | !b-e Henryk |
| 15:16.39 | dpkg | Henryk: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 15:16.48 | shingouz | Henryk: and when it comes to installing packages you really should try aptitude or apt-get ;) |
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| 15:17.08 | nuxi | Two, or to install the system and to make a mirrored with tools ADAPTEC (Ctrl+A) with the boot ? |
| 15:17.18 | Henryk | i'm using aptitude, that's how i installed libssl-dev (and some other more basic things, like bzip2 or less). |
| 15:17.33 | shingouz | nuxi: hardware raid then? |
| 15:17.38 | cahoot | Henryk: as you can see you don't *really* know what's best for you ;) |
| 15:17.51 | nuxi | shingouz : yes |
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| 15:18.40 | shingouz | nuxi: in that case you just set up the array with the usual tools to whatever you like and install as you'd do on a single disk. you do not use any software raid on hardware raid at all |
| 15:18.48 | streuner | Henryk: apt-cache search libssl dev |
| 15:18.55 | tmcnulty | the current stable prepatch from kernel.org doesn't apply cleanly to the current stable |
| 15:18.58 | Henryk | streuner: hmm, when I do select build-essential there are no additional packages installed, so I believe I've already got all |
| 15:18.59 | tmcnulty | am i missing something? |
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| 15:19.30 | streuner | Henryk: what do you want to compile? |
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| 15:19.50 | nuxi | shingouz : I believe that the second solution is the maid |
| 15:19.53 | Henryk | streuner: mipv6 from mobile-ipv6.org |
| 15:20.16 | streuner | Henryk: ./configure output gives you some hints |
| 15:20.25 | nuxi | shingouz : install the system and to make a mirrored with tools ADAPTEC (Ctrl+A) with the boot ? |
| 15:20.38 | shingouz | nuxi: just get the array configuration tools from the hardware manufacturer and set up the array with them. the kernel sees the array as one drive |
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| 15:20.49 | shingouz | nuxi: first the array, then install linux |
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| 15:21.05 | streuner | Henryk: missing files you can find via 'apt-file search blalbah.h' |
| 15:21.32 | shingouz | nuxi: and FYI, scsi is not necessarily hardware raid |
| 15:21.43 | Henryk | streuner: well, apparently the ./configure of this special package is particularly braindead. As far as I can see it succeeds always and I get the errors later on when compiling. The current error message is »retrout.o(.text+0x312): undefined reference to `HMAC_CTX_cleanup' « which I don't understand, because I do have openssl and libssl-dev installed |
| 15:21.56 | nuxi | shingouz : what FYI ? |
| 15:22.01 | streuner | Henryk: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update |
| 15:22.06 | shingouz | nuxi: For Your Information |
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| 15:22.17 | nuxi | shingouz : thank |
| 15:22.21 | shingouz | :) |
| 15:22.38 | Henryk | streuner: thanks |
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| 15:22.45 | streuner | Henryk: they don't have a ML or forum? |
| 15:23.23 | nuxi | shingouz : but the hardware raid is necessarily for my server |
| 15:23.30 | nuxi | ;-) |
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| 15:24.09 | streuner | Henryk: http://mobile-ipv6.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo |
| 15:24.27 | Henryk | streuner: they do. But I'm not yet at the point of asking. (I do have the mailing lists subscribed) |
| 15:24.49 | shingouz | nuxi: well in that case i take it you have a hardware raid controller there. off to the manufacturers website then and get the raid configuration tools from there, boot onto the cd (or floppy) you got from the manufacturer and set up the array. only after the array is configured and done can you install linux on it |
| 15:24.51 | streuner | Henryk: that error doesn't sound like a missing lib in debian... |
| 15:25.16 | shingouz | nuxi: the linux install will run just as it woould on a single non-raided hd |
| 15:25.34 | karsten | Any advice on playing *.mid files? |
| 15:25.45 | Henryk | streuner: yup. Thing is: it compiles just fine on my gentoo box. I guess it's because the current openssl version in stable is 0.9.6 |
| 15:26.13 | karsten | I'm playing with aplaymidi, but it apparently wants a midi card. Manpage is less than clear. |
| 15:26.34 | oi-polloi | how do i upgrade from woody to sarge ??? |
| 15:26.52 | nuxi | shingouz :ok |
| 15:26.57 | dvs | !woody->sarge oi-polloi |
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| 15:27.11 | dvs | oi-polloi: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:27.21 | oi-polloi | thanks dvd |
| 15:27.26 | oi-polloi | dvs |
| 15:27.34 | dvs | np |
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| 15:27.55 | streuner | Henryk: what does 'dpkg -l libssl-dev' say? |
| 15:28.02 | shingouz | we need a factoid about tab completion on irc. seems to me that there are a bunch of people who do not know about it |
| 15:28.08 | resiak | !tabcompletion |
| 15:28.09 | oi-polloi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.16 | resiak | shingouz: I'm on the case. |
| 15:28.18 | shingouz | ther is one? |
| 15:28.20 | shingouz | :) |
| 15:28.21 | dvs | oi-polloi: no space at the start |
| 15:28.23 | Teemu_K | where that apache gets that "autoindex" I mean that, when direcory doesn't contain index.html, then it shows that page where I can see what's inside that directory |
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| 15:28.50 | dvs | shingoz: Why would you say that? ;-) |
| 15:28.57 | streuner | Henryk: ok, got it |
| 15:29.06 | shingouz | dvs: about the tabs? no idea, just a random thought |
| 15:29.08 | shingouz | ;) |
| 15:29.12 | Henryk | Teemu_K: Options +Indexes or Options -Indexes (not sure what you want to do) |
| 15:29.22 | nuxi | shingouz : Yes, I have all tools on CD IBM, but I never have make of installation of RAID |
| 15:29.35 | resiak | !nick completion |
| 15:29.36 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
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| 15:29.49 | shingouz | nuxi: boot off the IBM cd then and stup the raid |
| 15:30.13 | Teemu_K | Henryk: well, Ijust want to see that autoindex page html code, so I could get that where that gets that "CApache/1.3.33 Server at pepsi Port 8080" |
| 15:30.20 | Teemu_K | that pepsi string :I |
| 15:30.25 | Henryk | dpkg -l libssl-dev says "ii libssl-dev 0.9.6c-2.woody SSL development libraries, header files and " |
| 15:30.26 | dpkg | ii libssl-dev says "ii libssl-dev 0.9.6c-2.woody SSL development libraries, header files and " 3.3-5.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 15:30.55 | Henryk | hehe, that dpkg bot is cute |
| 15:31.05 | shingouz | nuxi: the IBM support website usually has some very good docs on how to set up the arrays. check them out |
| 15:31.11 | Teemu_K | because that changes when I connect different ip to that computer :p |
| 15:31.17 | shingouz | resiak: looks good |
| 15:31.28 | streuner | Henryk: which version of mipv6? |
| 15:31.33 | MeneM | !lart FieldySnuts |
| 15:31.44 | nuxi | shingouz : ok, I check ! |
| 15:32.12 | shingouz | and before i start nibbling on the keyboard i better get some food |
| 15:32.13 | Henryk | Teemu_K: oh, that page is autogenerated |
| 15:32.28 | resiak | shingouz: The first sentence was there already. |
| 15:32.43 | Teemu_K | Henryk: yah I noticed that :I, read one page about that |
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| 15:33.04 | shingouz | resiak: ok. the minor additions you made there should preove useful in the long run |
| 15:33.36 | Henryk | Teemu_K: I guess the name comes from the ServerName directive |
| 15:33.37 | usuario | How can I safely edit the xfree86conf file without dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 15:33.48 | Teemu_K | Henryk: nope it doesn't |
| 15:33.49 | Henryk | streuner: the current, mipv6-2.0-rc1 |
| 15:34.08 | Teemu_K | Henryk: connect http://r.us.to:8080/~catmaster/cgiopettelu/ |
| 15:34.15 | shingouz | usuario: safely? there is no other way than dpkg-reconfigure. to just edit it use any editor |
| 15:34.21 | Henryk | Teemu_K: hmm, it should, _if_ you specify it: "If it is not specified, then the server attempts to deduce it from its own IP address; however this may not work reliably, or may not return the preferred hostname. " |
| 15:34.22 | Teemu_K | and tell my what you can see bottom at that page, that "apache/1.3.33" line |
| 15:34.50 | usuario | shingouz: I think I have to do something with an md5sum because debian will not load a modified file that doesn't match with it's md5 copy |
| 15:34.50 | Henryk | Teemu_K: at r.us.to Port 8080 |
| 15:34.53 | Teemu_K | yeah |
| 15:34.56 | Teemu_K | you see r.us.to |
| 15:35.02 | Teemu_K | but, when I connect at lan, I see pepsi |
| 15:35.09 | streuner | Henryk: which version of libssl-dev do you have on gentoo? |
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| 15:35.14 | resiak | shingouz: Can you think of a sane shortcut to "nick completion"? |
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| 15:35.17 | Teemu_K | because I connected http://pepsi:8080 |
| 15:35.21 | shingouz | usuario: so you have already edited it by hand |
| 15:35.25 | Teemu_K | wanna know how that is specified :/ |
| 15:35.28 | resiak | !nicktab is <reply> see nick completion |
| 15:35.28 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 15:35.33 | resiak | Hahah, peaceyall anticipated me. |
| 15:35.33 | Teemu_K | need for one page that |
| 15:35.42 | shingouz | that sounds good , resiak |
| 15:35.42 | Henryk | streuner: there is no *-dev on gentoo. I simply have openssl-0.9.7e |
| 15:36.06 | usuario | shingouz: no, not yet; I did a while back and remember that was a mistake |
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| 15:36.07 | usuario | shingouz: right now, everything is fine |
| 15:36.07 | peaceyall | how do i change the time and date without using the kcontrol? |
| 15:36.07 | peaceyall | lol |
| 15:36.17 | shingouz | usuario: so you can use dpkg-reconfigure then |
| 15:36.39 | Henryk | Teemu_K: it's taken from the HTTP Host: header, as far as I can see. Did you set the ServerName? |
| 15:36.45 | streuner | Henryk: well, libssl 0.9.7e is in sarge or sid... |
| 15:36.47 | usuario | shingouz: right, though, it doesn't not offer me to tweak the size of the memory of my video card |
| 15:36.56 | Teemu_K | Henryk: mmm letsii -> |
| 15:37.02 | usuario | shingouz: that's why I wanted the other method of editing the file |
| 15:37.21 | streuner | Henryk: or look for an backport (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 15:37.24 | Henryk | streuner: hmm, maybe I should try with backports? |
| 15:37.28 | shingouz | usuario: if you need to configure the memsize and dpkg doesnt let you do it you have to hack it by hand and there is no safe way to do it |
| 15:37.34 | Teemu_K | Henryk: at /etc/apache/httpd.conf there is line "ServerName localhost |
| 15:37.37 | valdyn | !info openssl woody |
| 15:37.40 | dpkg | openssl: (Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools.), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.6c-2.woody.7 (woody), Packaged size: 706 kB, Installed size: 1784 kB |
| 15:37.42 | valdyn | !info openssl sarge |
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| 15:37.53 | shingouz | usuario: in other words: if you hand hack the file you are pretty much on your own |
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| 15:38.06 | idc | gotta go,bye |
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| 15:38.08 | erick | hello everyone |
| 15:38.33 | usuario | shingouz: That I completely understand. but, as I said, the file will be rejected and will not be initialized because it doesn't match debian's backup copy |
| 15:38.44 | Henryk | Teemu_K: hmm, then it should say localhost and not pepsi. Strange |
| 15:39.33 | shingouz | usuario: huh? i have never seen that happen before unless the file is somehow screwed. if you screwed the file up by manually editing it you get to keep the pieces |
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| 15:39.56 | Henryk | ok, let's try deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable openssl |
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| 15:40.32 | melita | hi i have a question |
| 15:40.53 | doub | melita: so do i. |
| 15:40.58 | valdyn | Henryk: maybe you are also looking for the package "libssl0.9.7" |
| 15:41.01 | melita | can someone help me, i would like to install only kernel on my computerand make some debian based system |
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| 15:41.04 | shingouz | melita: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 15:41.15 | EvilMonkey | sd |
| 15:41.22 | Teemu_K | Henryk: well, I think it gets that "pepsi or r.us.to" from which address I try to use, and I want to know how that knows that :/, few pages are now like that, they work outside internet, but if I try to connect in lan it won't work just because that, I can't connect to address r.us.to |
| 15:41.29 | Teemu_K | hope you understand me ;P |
| 15:41.38 | shingouz | melita: you want to insstall debian on your computer is that it? /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 15:41.49 | peaceyall | how do i change the date without using kde control pane;l |
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| 15:41.51 | Henryk | valdyn: not in stable. There's only libssl095 for those who like really old software |
| 15:42.11 | doub | peaceyall: hwclock, ntpdate are some ways. YMMV |
| 15:42.18 | melita | no... i have debian,iwana install only kernel and make my own system working with some debian stuffs |
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| 15:42.27 | Teemu_K | haa.! |
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| 15:42.43 | Teemu_K | I remember, phpsysinfo have samekind line -> |
| 15:42.46 | melita | did someone do that before |
| 15:42.49 | peaceyall | nvm , anyways ty doub |
| 15:43.04 | melita | i have two computers on college to work andlearn with |
| 15:43.06 | Vince34 | hello (; |
| 15:43.08 | EvilMonkey | I have a hardware question (stupid one I guess): if I have a 400 FSB support motherboard... I put in a 2.8 GHz 800FSB... it's running at like 1.3GHz... is there a way to improve this situation? there's no BIOS update for FSB is it?? :/ |
| 15:43.15 | doub | peaceyall: i've been told 'date' also does it. but i must admit that's not obvious |
| 15:43.26 | peaceyall | how do i run NTP support on my system? |
| 15:43.28 | vile_maxim | My modem will play through the modem speaker, but not through the phone. i.e. vm play -s -v foo.rmd works but vm play -t -v foo.rmd does not. Logs don't seem to be showing errors. Any clue how to troubleshoot this? |
| 15:43.39 | smo | hi all i can t enable dri on my pc all modules are loaded any errors... i d ont understand |
| 15:43.39 | doub | peaceyall: still not obvious, ntpdate. |
| 15:43.44 | Henryk | Teemu_K: simplest thing: Set ServerName to r.us.to, and put a line like whichever.ip.pepsi.has r.us.to in /etc/hosts (of course you should replace whichever.ip.pepsi.has with the actual ip adress that is currently assigned to pepsi). You should then be able to use r.us.to even from internal |
| 15:43.48 | streuner | Henryk: What stops you to upgrade to sarge or sid? |
| 15:43.57 | thingfish | EvilMonkey: no, your motherboard must support 800MHz FSB to get the most out of your new processor. |
| 15:44.09 | EvilMonkey | thingfish, |
| 15:44.22 | peaceyall | ty doub , do u know how to get NTP support on my system |
| 15:44.22 | EvilMonkey | thingfish, dang. will a 533 uses it better? |
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| 15:44.30 | fettsack | tag |
| 15:45.03 | doub | peaceyall: as stated twice already, ntpdate is here for that. apt-get install ntpdate will do everything for you |
| 15:45.04 | sparr_w | Package pine is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:45.05 | sparr_w | wtf? |
| 15:45.12 | shingouz | melita: apt-get takes care of all your install needs. there is also aptitude and dselect. debian has new kernel-images on the repositories so you do not need to compile a custom kernel either |
| 15:45.12 | doub | peaceyall: except finding an ntp server. |
| 15:45.12 | thingfish | EvilMonkey: better, but you still need one that supports 800 MHz. |
| 15:45.13 | caphuso | sparr_w: /msg dpkg pine |
| 15:45.15 | Henryk | streuner: hmm, fear of broken things in sid and fear of missing security updates in sarge |
| 15:45.18 | peaceyall | ok ty doub |
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| 15:45.27 | EvilMonkey | thingfish, true... |
| 15:45.28 | peaceyall | ok |
| 15:45.36 | Teemu_K | Henryk: let try it then -> |
| 15:45.52 | streuner | Henryk: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:45.52 | sparr_w | caphuso: suggest a client as simple (read: no hotkeys to memorize)? |
| 15:45.53 | EvilMonkey | thingfish, hey, a 3.06 with 533 FSB vs 2.8 with 800FSB? |
| 15:46.13 | EvilMonkey | !tell EvilMonkey usb |
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| 15:46.26 | doub | EvilMonkey: use /msg dpkg for that purpose |
| 15:46.27 | shingouz | melita: please do not msg me |
| 15:46.43 | caphuso | sparr_w: don't know any |
| 15:46.48 | shingouz | melita: so you do not have debian installed yet. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:46.50 | melita | ok sorry |
| 15:46.53 | shingouz | :) |
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| 15:47.02 | melita | jes im working on debian now |
| 15:47.34 | caphuso | sparr_w: maybe "less /var/mail/$USER", but even then you have to remember at least q for quit and space to scroll down |
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| 15:47.35 | EvilMonkey | is "vfat" the file type of USB flash drive? |
| 15:47.47 | caphuso | EvilMonkey: maybe |
| 15:47.48 | EvilMonkey | (I'm editing the fstab) |
| 15:47.49 | shingouz | melita: uh.. i think i do not really understand what you are after in that case. you have debian there but you want a new kernel, is that it? |
| 15:47.50 | melita | shingouz: well i installed it several times and i wana try to make something just for myself |
| 15:47.50 | Henryk | EvilMonkey: most of the time |
| 15:47.56 | doub | EvilMonkey: of vfat formated ones, yes |
| 15:47.59 | melita | no,i have d |
| 15:48.03 | shingouz | k |
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| 15:48.05 | EvilMonkey | fat32? |
| 15:48.08 | EvilMonkey | no no |
| 15:48.09 | EvilMonkey | fat |
| 15:48.10 | fettsack | Can somebody tell me how I can set an IP adress manually? Normally in my little home-network I get one of my DHCP Server, but if I want to connect 2 PCs with a crosslink cable I need to set it manually.. |
| 15:48.33 | caphuso | fettsack: man 5 interfaces |
| 15:48.37 | shingouz | melita: you want to make a custom install cd out of debian? |
| 15:48.37 | sparr_w | fettsack: ifconfig eth0 the.ipa.ddr.ess |
| 15:48.44 | melita | ai have a debian but i wana to try install a new kernel on an empty disk and amke my ovn debian based kernel system |
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| 15:49.06 | melita | something like that, to do muy own scripts in programm |
| 15:49.13 | fettsack | THX |
| 15:49.24 | doub | EvilMonkey: vfat is linux's name for all sorts of FAT file systems |
| 15:49.24 | vile_maxim | fettsack, apt-get install etherconf :) |
| 15:49.31 | shingouz | melita: that is somethng a bit more complex then :) |
| 15:49.35 | melita | shingouz have u ever do that |
| 15:49.46 | sparr_w | roflmao. didnt know why i had thousands of email messages... forgot i set a minutely cron job last week |
| 15:49.47 | melita | jes i know so i camed here to ask shingouz |
| 15:49.55 | vile_maxim | fettsack, oh and dpkg-reconfigre etherconf if you need to change it |
| 15:50.30 | fettsack | vile_maxim thx, just installed it :) |
| 15:50.32 | melita | i learn a bit linux administrating and i wana learn how to make my mashin useful, simlz and safe |
| 15:50.40 | shingouz | melita: sorry, not yet. so far i have always used the debian installers but i think i have to start learning how to use debootstrap too. that is something i think should be able to do what you are looking for |
| 15:51.06 | vile_maxim | fettsack, it's good to know how to do it manually too, but.... |
| 15:51.08 | melita | can u tell me more:) |
| 15:51.36 | shingouz | melita: umm... can i please eat first? i am about to start eating my keyboard already ;) |
| 15:51.39 | doub | EvilMonkey: but consider using 'auto' which will select fs type automagically. not all usb keys are FAT |
| 15:51.57 | melita | okej i-ll come about a hal an hour cause i have to ear to0o |
| 15:52.04 | melita | meet u then here??? |
| 15:52.14 | shingouz | melita: make that an hour, i havent eaten all day ;) |
| 15:52.19 | melita | sorry for typefellers |
| 15:52.21 | doub | melita: install debian-reference |
| 15:52.22 | shingouz | melita: that is a date then ;) |
| 15:52.27 | melita | OK |
| 15:52.35 | melita | date:))) |
| 15:52.35 | doub | melita: there's many usefull things in there |
| 15:52.38 | EvilMonkey | doub, cool. for the pass is it 1 or 0? |
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| 15:53.10 | aist | helo |
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| 15:53.14 | melita | hear u soon |
| 15:53.31 | vile_maxim | aist, 831 people all say hello back |
| 15:53.32 | doub | EvilMonkey: putting 0 means you may mount an inconsistent file system. on the other side, linux is not able to repair all types of FSs. your call |
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| 15:53.39 | shingouz | apt-get install food more-food |
| 15:53.59 | aist | uuencode file.xls file.xls | mail -s "Subjekt" me@xyz.com I get garbage. What am I missing? |
| 15:54.04 | doub | EvilMonkey: if putting 0, consider watching for kernel messages about file system consistency at mount time |
| 15:54.18 | EvilMonkey | so 1 is better? |
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| 15:54.40 | doub | EvilMonkey: in most situations, yes |
| 15:55.18 | vile_maxim | shingouz, Package food is not available, but is referred to by another package. if fact it was eatten by another package. |
| 15:56.09 | thingfish | I wonder why, during bootup, my MTA now wants to use lp0 (parport0)...something changed. |
| 15:56.15 | aist | how to send an attachment correctly in UNIX via command mode? |
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| 15:56.26 | EvilMonkey | doub, done. thanks :) this was simpler than last time. |
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| 15:57.22 | doub | EvilMonkey: just play around a bit, you'll notice this is not quite so easy as it seems. did you put 'user' as options ? (allows to mount as standard user) |
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| 15:57.59 | Atula | hello |
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| 15:58.04 | doub | Atula: hi |
| 15:58.15 | dvs | Atula: How YOU doin' |
| 15:58.26 | Atula | what's the command to register nick again |
| 15:58.29 | Atula | it has been a while |
| 15:58.29 | Atula | haha |
| 15:58.37 | dvs | Atula: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:58.38 | Atula | doub, it's EvilMonkey. |
| 15:58.38 | vile_maxim | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.40 | Atula | :) |
| 15:58.42 | Atula | thanks |
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| 15:59.23 | doub | Atula: huh. you're trying to escape echelon ? |
| 15:59.50 | aist | uuencode file.xls file.xls | mailx -s "Subjekt" me@xyz.com I get garbage with "begin 644 file.xls" What am I missing here? Anybody can spot it? |
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| 16:00.16 | floggo | hello |
| 16:00.26 | Atula | doub, what's echelon? man... I'm such a noob... throw any insider comments on me... and I got nothing comming back... I think I need a "Comebacks for Dummies" book |
| 16:00.41 | doub | aist: do you know what uuencoding is ? |
| 16:00.41 | primo | I am learning to submit bug report. And I want to send copies of it to someone else besides package maintainer. Debian documents suggest me to use "X-Debbugs-CC", but where should I put this line? |
| 16:01.01 | vile_maxim | aist, not sure how to do that, I think mutt might be able to do it.... though I'm not 100% sure on that too. Thought I'd through that out there since no one else answered. |
| 16:01.21 | doub | Atula: echelon is CIA's alleged worldwide surveillance network |
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| 16:01.48 | dvs | primo: At the start of your message |
| 16:01.51 | ruzbeh | how do i do an apt-get upgrade without upgrading certain packages |
| 16:01.58 | aist | doub is a process where 3 bytes become 4 plus control information....etc |
| 16:02.01 | vile_maxim | doub, I thought that droped echelon in favor of a 3rd party system that was better |
| 16:02.12 | floggo | got a cute little problem concerning chrooting apache - apache is running without any problem outside the chrooted environment, but as soon i try to get it started within the environment it tells me `GLIBC_PRIVATE` was not found. anyone got an idea? |
| 16:02.15 | dvs | ruzbeh: aptitude hold <package> |
| 16:02.17 | floggo | ldconfig didn't help me out |
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| 16:02.23 | Atula | doub, LOL! you know, sometimes... I think about security and stuff... and I usually tell myself: "I am nobody.... therefore noone is going to mess with my computer"... I will p2p... |
| 16:02.29 | vile_maxim | ruzbeh, apt-get install packagename |
| 16:02.32 | madclicker | where do i get alsa-modules-2.6? |
| 16:02.34 | primo | dvs: before or after the pseudo header? |
| 16:02.35 | ruzbeh | dvs, sooo.. aptitute hold <package> and then I do apt-get update? |
| 16:02.38 | Atula | well... I stopped the unecessary torrents |
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| 16:02.58 | doub | vile_maxim: i don't know much about that. what's this 3rd party system? |
| 16:03.02 | ruzbeh | vile_maxim, its kinda hard to manually upgrade packages ;) |
| 16:03.03 | dvs | primo: As part of the pseudo header. |
| 16:03.09 | dvs | ruzbeh: yup |
| 16:03.15 | ruzbeh | thanks |
| 16:03.44 | dvs | np |
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| 16:04.10 | thingfish | I would like to reconfigure MTA so it no longer tries to use lp0. dpkg-reconfigure MTA doesn't seem to be how to do it. Is there a solution? |
| 16:04.11 | doub | aist: isn't what you get the uuencoded file? |
| 16:04.25 | vile_maxim | doub, I forget now... I read about it a while ago so my memory is a little flaky on it. But it's doftware developed in the private sector. I think I read about it on slackdot. |
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| 16:04.38 | vile_maxim | software |
| 16:04.41 | d0s4gw | has anyone here ever tried to configure data acquisition hardware with debian? |
| 16:04.48 | Rogue_buddha | Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong with loopback aes and debian testing? |
| 16:04.49 | doub | vile_maxim: which is by and large a good information source ;) |
| 16:04.55 | primo | dvs: before or after "Version" line? (As I know "Package" line must be the first line) |
| 16:05.13 | vile_maxim | doub, and a bad information source, all in one |
| 16:05.14 | vile_maxim | :) |
| 16:05.16 | drac | Is there a page, that explains all possible nvidia driver options, like some Debian NVIDIA howto? Tweaking HOWTO? |
| 16:05.33 | dvs | primo: Put it as the last line in the pseudo header |
| 16:05.50 | doub | thingfish: you'd prefer it to use cups? |
| 16:05.57 | vile_maxim | doub, I rarily read the slashdot article and comments. I usally just go to the sourced article |
| 16:06.02 | primo | dvs: what about "X-Debbugs-No-Ack" header? |
| 16:06.06 | Atula | the wheel doesn't work when I switch between XP and Debian boxes with KVM switch... sucks!!! XP has that option... to assume wheel... but it's still doesn't work... bunch of BS |
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| 16:06.16 | Atula | mouse |
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| 16:06.21 | thingfish | doub: perhaps I'm confused as to what MTA is. I assumed it had something to do with system mail. |
| 16:06.37 | simonrvn | @mta |
| 16:06.38 | ravenbird | [mta] a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
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| 16:06.41 | Rogue_buddha | I can encypt and decrypt using loop and aes with knoppix but I can access the filesystem with my debian testing |
| 16:06.51 | revenger_ | can anyone help me to create a xorg debian package? or lead me to a doc which covers that? |
| 16:06.54 | aist | vile_maxim: do not have mutt and I must send it via script |
| 16:06.55 | doub | thingfish: /msg dpkg mta |
| 16:07.09 | doub | thingfish: on the other side, lp0 is Line Printer |
| 16:07.17 | thingfish | doub: I know. |
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| 16:08.13 | thingfish | I'm wanting to stop MTA from trying to use lp0, which makes no sense to me unless I'm missing something. |
| 16:08.28 | erbili | yardýma ihtiyacým var TÜRK debian kullancýlýarý |
| 16:08.30 | aist | from pine, elm, or Netscape messnger works ok but when uuencode file.xls file.xls | mailx -s .... does not anybody can spot the problem here |
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| 16:08.45 | doub | thingfish: but how can your mta use a printer? |
| 16:08.58 | thingfish | doub: will you please stop trying to help me. |
| 16:09.00 | Henryk | cool, it compiled and installed fine. thanks, streuner and everyone elsa |
| 16:09.07 | Henryk | err, else |
| 16:09.26 | doub | thingfish: an MTA only Transports mail. it does not take care of displaying mail, or printing it |
| 16:09.38 | erbili | yardým edin lütfeeeeeennnn |
| 16:09.53 | doub | thingfish: that's the role of an MUA, mail User Agent. mutt, thunderbird are examples |
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| 16:10.34 | Atula | what's the advantage of sudo vs the use of su command? |
| 16:10.45 | erbili | türk yok mu lan |
| 16:11.12 | streuner | Henryk: np |
| 16:11.29 | doub | revenger_: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 16:11.35 | Henryk | Atula: with sudo you can give users the ability to run some (or all) commands as root _without_ giving them the root password |
| 16:11.52 | Atula | Henryk, thanks. |
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| 16:12.46 | gaasfet | I'm trying to cat some .ps files, no success.... |
| 16:13.05 | gaasfet | only first page |
| 16:13.20 | erbili | ulan yardým etseniz |
| 16:13.21 | erbili | e |
| 16:13.22 | gaasfet | shows up |
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| 16:14.23 | gaasfet | bon soir mes amis |
| 16:14.29 | supaman | !fr |
| 16:14.29 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:14.41 | Atula | thanks everyone. good day. gotta to go do stuff now. sunday school teaching... gosh, why did my ma sign me up for that... and I'm such a sucker for mamas. |
| 16:14.45 | streuner | revenger_: why do you think you need xorg? |
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| 16:15.46 | herry | hi |
| 16:17.07 | gaasfet | any ideas on how to cat .ps files ? |
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| 16:17.26 | LordFrith | pstotxt |
| 16:17.30 | gaasfet | Ok |
| 16:17.38 | nagual | how can i create hard links? |
| 16:17.44 | resiak | nagual: man link |
| 16:17.44 | gaasfet | lots of graphs and pics |
| 16:17.45 | LordFrith | ln |
| 16:17.54 | nagual | thank you |
| 16:17.57 | nagual | ln doesnt do hard links |
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| 16:18.13 | simonrvn | yes it does. but not across filesytems, nor for dirs |
| 16:18.19 | LordFrith | nagual: From ln: Create hard links by default |
| 16:18.36 | simonrvn | you need to specify -s to do a symlink... |
| 16:18.38 | nagual | hm. my hangover must have gotten the better of me when i read its manual. |
| 16:18.38 | LordFrith | You can't create a hard link across filesystems anyway. |
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| 16:18.54 | Bac9 | how many watt power supply would I need to support a box with 6 ide devices (4 HDs, cdrom, zip drive)? can a 230watt handle it? |
| 16:18.54 | LordFrith | That would have no meaning. |
| 16:19.02 | LordFrith | No. |
| 16:19.09 | nagual | hm. how would i go about linking inside a chroot then? |
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| 16:19.12 | nagual | mount? |
| 16:19.22 | nagual | i could mount it in there i guess |
| 16:19.26 | LordFrith | Linking inside a chroot? |
| 16:19.30 | Bac9 | LordFrith: was that to me? |
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| 16:19.36 | nagual | mm (proftp) |
| 16:19.38 | jago25_98 | 350w or 400w with modern cpu is my guess |
| 16:19.53 | LordFrith | Bac9: Yeah-- 230 is quite small. Your main probalem is going to come at boot, with the spike in usage. |
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| 16:20.31 | abrotman | Bac9: cpu ? |
| 16:20.34 | Bac9 | jago25_98: it's a p2, it's curently holding up with 5 ide devices, I am thinking of adding another hd, what's your opinion? (cpu has passive cooling) |
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| 16:20.54 | abrotman | i'd say 300-400 .. but 300 may not cut it |
| 16:20.57 | LordFrith | Don't do it. Your drives will die from heat overload, if they aren't ying already. |
| 16:21.05 | jago25_98 | 350w best bet |
| 16:21.07 | abrotman | LordC: that's not true at all |
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| 16:21.15 | Bac9 | LordFrith: it seems to survive booting with 5 ide devices, thinking of adding a 6th, but aside from boot is it ok for runtime? |
| 16:21.21 | tzafrir_laptop | but it's a P2, not a moder power-hungry processor |
| 16:21.25 | Bac9 | abrotman: p2 233 I believe |
| 16:21.28 | Orakio | Are there any alternatives to ipfm? ipfm doesn't work... and I do not use X (waste of resources, not having to use graphics is one of the primary reasons linux is better suited than windows for server). |
| 16:22.03 | tzafrir_laptop | Orakio, what do you want to record exactly? |
| 16:22.07 | LordFrith | I still vote get a different case with a more robust power supply. |
| 16:22.14 | erbili | give me irc slient name please |
| 16:22.14 | doub | Orakio: i use uif. it's somewhat limited in some cases, but useful |
| 16:22.16 | Orakio | Bahndwidth consumption per host... |
| 16:22.32 | Bac9 | LordFrith: why would drives die from heat? the box is running pretty cool at the moment |
| 16:22.39 | revenger_ | streuner: because that outdated xfree doesn#t support my i855.. |
| 16:22.53 | dvs | 955? |
| 16:22.59 | gaasfet | LordFrith: pstotext extracts the text and ignores the images? |
| 16:23.00 | LordFrith | Drives produce heat. Without proper removal, heat builds up. Then they die. |
| 16:23.01 | Bac9 | jago25_98: well 230 is what the box has right now, and I don't have anything higher in atx spare |
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| 16:23.05 | LordFrith | gaasfet: Yes. |
| 16:23.17 | Orakio | If I got the pcap lib dev version from apt would that basically allow me to program a packet sniffer? |
| 16:23.21 | gaasfet | LordFrith: mm not good |
| 16:23.24 | revenger_ | dvs: graphicchip.. |
| 16:23.24 | LordFrith | gaasfet: Converting an image to an ascii format is a lot to ask for pstotext. |
| 16:23.30 | gaasfet | :) |
| 16:23.36 | dvs | Oh ok. not a chipset |
| 16:23.43 | gaasfet | LordFrith: pstoedit? |
| 16:23.48 | erbili | http://www.debian-tr.org/files/gnome-beauty.png how can i do that bottom menus ? |
| 16:23.53 | Bac9 | LordFrith: as I said, at the moment 3hds, 1 cdrom and 1 zip drive are running pretty cool, my toher box with just 4 ide drives is running a lot hotter |
| 16:23.56 | erbili | please somebody help me |
| 16:23.59 | tzafrir_laptop | aaview? |
| 16:24.08 | Henryk | LordFrith: well, that depends on the size. If it should be one pixel equals one ASCII character it's quite easy ;-) |
| 16:24.31 | Delph | Orakio: aye, depends what you're doing though. A lot of people tend to just write a filter for Ethereal to sniff whichever type of packet they want to have a nice reader for. |
| 16:24.33 | LordFrith | gaasfet: Why not just view it? |
| 16:24.43 | Bac9 | abrotman: so you're saying a 230watt can't handle 6 ide devices on a p2 233? |
| 16:24.45 | Delph | given there's a fairly well known UI for it there. |
| 16:25.03 | abrotman | Bac9: not reliably .. you may actually damage your hardware |
| 16:25.06 | abrotman | or cause a fire :) |
| 16:25.13 | FieldySnuts | Bac9: not cleanly. the PSU will become overloaded and begin putting out rippled / dirty power and eventualy damage things |
| 16:25.14 | LordFrith | Bac9: Well, the reason I warn is from our own experiences with many drives in one box. In our case we were using high rpm scsis, and saw some very bad behaviors. |
| 16:25.21 | Bac9 | abrotman: so what can it handle reliably? |
| 16:25.23 | FieldySnuts | Bac9: this won't be noticeable till you begin to lose hardware. |
| 16:25.24 | abrotman | Bac9: maybe .. 3-4 devices .. but i wouldn't trust it for 6 |
| 16:25.38 | FieldySnuts | for that much I would use 330W at least |
| 16:25.45 | abrotman | Bac9: because .. your devices will draw more than that most likely .. sags are bad for hardware |
| 16:25.46 | gaasfet | LordFrith: good question, sometimes its necessary to take various documents and combine them to a single file |
| 16:25.50 | LordFrith | And your zip and floppy don't run all the time, which also might help. Perhaps just remove those. |
| 16:25.54 | abrotman | well .. electronics in general |
| 16:25.56 | aardvark | or an actual 300 watt PSU that delivers 300 watts. |
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| 16:26.16 | LordFrith | gaasfet: Then use ps2ps, or some other ps concateating program. |
| 16:26.21 | Bac9 | FieldySnuts: so what's the requirenment for 5 ide devices and 6 ide devices? I know there are some rules but I don't know them |
| 16:26.25 | FieldySnuts | right, don't cheap out on your power supply. it's the one device that can damage your entire system at once if it's a peice of junk, and usually very slowly |
| 16:26.34 | LordFrith | psmerge, for example. |
| 16:26.34 | abrotman | Bac9: at least 300! |
| 16:26.42 | gaasfet | LordFrith: OK |
| 16:26.42 | abrotman | if you're lucky that won't crap out |
| 16:26.48 | Bac9 | abrotman: is that 300 for 5 or for 6? |
| 16:26.53 | LordFrith | Bac9: Look at the max power for each device. |
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| 16:26.55 | FieldySnuts | i'd say at least 330, personally I don't go below 400 because i've seen what happens to starved devices |
| 16:26.59 | aardvark | Bac9: cheap PSU will fry your mobo and everything else connected to it within about 6 months to a year. any more questions? |
| 16:27.11 | FieldySnuts | aardvark summed it up. |
| 16:27.17 | Bac9 | LordFrith: I haven't a clue where to dig out all the documentation from, they are all different |
| 16:27.27 | pngwn | Bac9, just do what you want, you aren't listening anyway |
| 16:27.31 | Bac9 | aardvark: dell box :-) |
| 16:27.38 | aardvark | meh. |
| 16:27.43 | LordFrith | And worse, if you replace the PSU, and every component but one, that one that ran with bad power can "reinfect" the oether things in the system by behaving badly. |
| 16:27.56 | FieldySnuts | ah dell box, i.e. everything is cheap, especially the power supply. and you can't just pick up any power supply, dell makes them a special size. |
| 16:27.57 | Bac9 | pngwn: I am trying to figure out what the rules are as far as # of devices per wattage |
| 16:28.00 | abrotman | Bac9: go with a 350 to be sure .. |
| 16:28.00 | FieldySnuts | my work is done here |
| 16:28.01 | LordFrith | Bac9: On each device the max power should be listed. |
| 16:28.15 | LordFrith | On the actual physical device, I mean. |
| 16:28.16 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: the older ones should be a standard atx |
| 16:28.17 | FieldySnuts | he can't replace it easily anyway, it's a dell |
| 16:28.24 | FieldySnuts | not that i've seen |
| 16:28.28 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's mostly newer dell that sucks |
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| 16:28.34 | Bac9 | LordFrith: not that I'v noticed, maybe somewhere in the docs, but haven't seen anything on devices themselves |
| 16:28.35 | abrotman | well .. all dell sucks .. newer dell sucks worse |
| 16:28.39 | FieldySnuts | anyway i said my peice, i'm done with this |
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| 16:28.58 | thingfish | I suspect all major OEM's products suck. |
| 16:29.06 | thingfish | I build my own. |
| 16:29.08 | abrotman | ibm makes lovely stuff |
| 16:29.08 | LordFrith | Bac9: If I pick up an IDE drive I have on my disk, I see on the label: |
| 16:29.10 | Bac9 | abrotman: it's not a question of what PSU to go with, it's a question of how much more I can load a 233 with 9I don't have anything higher spare) |
| 16:29.21 | abrotman | 9i ? |
| 16:29.24 | abrotman | as in .. oracle ? |
| 16:29.25 | thingfish | I've heard nothing but good about ibm, have to admit. |
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| 16:29.28 | LordFrith | Rated: 5V 300mA 12V 500mA DC |
| 16:29.32 | melita | hi |
| 16:29.34 | Bac9 | LordFrith: what about cd-rm, zip drives? |
| 16:29.47 | LordFrith | It should be on those as well. It's still a max power rating. |
| 16:29.54 | abrotman | Bac9: ask #hardware |
| 16:30.08 | FieldySnuts | geez that system is already loaded. you load it anymore and you WILL do damage, and do it sooner. like pngwn he's not listening anyway |
| 16:30.16 | Bac9 | LordFrith: and how do I translate "5V 300mA 12V 500mA DC" into wattage? |
| 16:30.17 | kingsley | Where's a version of fdisk that will put a Windows 98 compatible partition a 165GB hard drive? |
| 16:30.22 | thingfish | wow, now I'm sorry I got my sis to buy a dell. |
| 16:30.32 | thingfish | I hope she doesn't have problems with it. |
| 16:30.33 | Bac9 | LordFrith: pardon I don't remember physics too well |
| 16:30.38 | Orakio | Ok, I'm writing my own bandwidth analyser, thanks. |
| 16:30.58 | FieldySnuts | dell is okay for your every day user. but if you ever want to add any devices or upgrade it, it's not. their power supplies are just a hair above handling what they come with, and every part is low quality |
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| 16:31.13 | Bac9 | abrotman: thanx for the tip |
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| 16:31.17 | chfn | whats a name of a imesh network client for linux ? |
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| 16:31.30 | FieldySnuts | i think the only dell part i'm fond of are their LCD monitors, those aren't bad at all |
| 16:31.56 | catalyst4000 | the dell laptops, I haven't had a problem... except my hard drive diead :) |
| 16:31.57 | thingfish | I agree, her lcd monitor seemed real nice. |
| 16:31.59 | FieldySnuts | though personally i'd still get an IBM or SGI or something |
| 16:32.08 | FieldySnuts | fan of CRT anyway |
| 16:32.13 | thingfish | me too |
| 16:32.22 | thingfish | better image quality overall, IMO |
| 16:32.27 | Bac9 | FieldySnuts: that's unfortunate... I am running low on disk space on that box and this is verry unhappy news... but thanx for the info |
| 16:32.28 | FieldySnuts | 21" ibm flat crt with a trinitron tube :D |
| 16:32.28 | saloxin | any recommendations for traffic shaping with too much filesharing over adsl? |
| 16:32.33 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: and the CPU is glued to the motherboard :) |
| 16:32.35 | thingfish | nice! |
| 16:33.15 | catalyst4000 | traffic shaping... |
| 16:33.16 | FieldySnuts | it's old though and starting to show signs of image problems (faint red/blue/green lines crossing the screen). it's already been refurbed once |
| 16:33.24 | catalyst4000 | Cisco 831 |
| 16:33.28 | FieldySnuts | but i don't mind, i'd gladly pay the 800 or whatever for a new one |
| 16:33.28 | paulswm | catalyst4000: My dell HD died, too |
| 16:33.32 | chfn | whats a name of a imesh network client for linux ? |
| 16:33.50 | abrotman | saloxin: iptables ? |
| 16:33.51 | chfn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.52 | saloxin | catalyst4000: heh, nobudget here, debian on a pentium 90 is the plan |
| 16:33.58 | catalyst4000 | paulswm: yeah, I just paid the $90 at microcenter and replaced it myself |
| 16:34.04 | saloxin | abrotman: is an option |
| 16:34.05 | abrotman | who uses imesh? |
| 16:34.13 | FieldySnuts | warez kids |
| 16:34.15 | paulswm | catalyst4000: I got a better one from newegg, anyway |
| 16:34.27 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: nslookup warez.dal.net |
| 16:34.29 | ravenbird | warez.dal.net is 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:34.33 | paulswm | HAH |
| 16:34.39 | catalyst4000 | paulswm: well... I had the problem of: I couldn't wait for shipping |
| 16:34.42 | digitalfredy | hello, i make a local repository, when try use it with debootstrap get: |
| 16:34.45 | FieldySnuts | and that's real, not some factoid heh |
| 16:34.47 | digitalfredy | I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release |
| 16:34.47 | digitalfredy | I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release |
| 16:34.47 | digitalfredy | E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 16:34.50 | FieldySnuts | @lart digitalfredy |
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| 16:35.19 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: nslookup please-do-not-steal-services.gtei.net |
| 16:35.22 | ravenbird | I can't find please-do-not-steal-services.gtei.net in DNS |
| 16:35.25 | FieldySnuts | oh really? |
| 16:35.36 | FieldySnuts | oh. damn it's gone, that was there for like 10 years |
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| 16:35.42 | melita | did someon sometimes make his own debian system with only instaling debian kernel and thean installing all the other packeges and writing their own scripts?? |
| 16:36.16 | chfn | Whats a popular file share network that works nowdays ? |
| 16:36.21 | Delph | ftp |
| 16:37.02 | chfn | s/nowdays/nowadays |
| 16:37.02 | Delph | + friends |
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| 16:37.02 | catalyst4000 | ftp with friends only |
| 16:37.02 | Delph | if you have no friends, then *point and giggle* |
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| 16:37.02 | gaasfet | LordFrith: how to you cat with ps2ps ? |
| 16:37.02 | FieldySnuts | !irritate gaasfet |
| 16:37.02 | dpkg | gaasfet: hi every1 how can I make my lindows werkz !!!! |
| 16:37.02 | chfn | Delph, are you talking with gasper or who/ |
| 16:37.02 | catalyst4000 | ah, whats that new file sharing dealy |
| 16:37.02 | thingfish | man, just do streaming audio, it's legal and it's great when you find good channels. |
| 16:37.05 | catalyst4000 | it encrypts transfers between friends |
| 16:37.05 | Delph | chfn: with you. |
| 16:37.07 | karsten | chfn: There's this really nifty new technolgy out of Switzerland. |
| 16:37.10 | thingfish | then you don't need to mess with this p2p bs |
| 16:37.16 | FieldySnuts | and when you can find urls you can actually find and put into xmms or your favorite player |
| 16:37.17 | catalyst4000 | i forgot what it's called, but i thought it was a neat idea |
| 16:37.22 | karsten | chfn: It's designed by a bunch of physicists though, I don't think it'll ever take off. |
| 16:37.26 | gaasfet | !irritate FieldySnuts |
| 16:37.27 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh mouse lol |
| 16:37.30 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 16:37.37 | karsten | chfn: ...and the guy who wrote it's british, and they don't know tech for shit. |
| 16:37.44 | karsten | chfn: But it's called the World Wide Web. Might look into that. |
| 16:38.00 | paulswm | !prize karsten |
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| 16:38.03 | chfn | karsten, did you take this long to tell me World Wide Web? |
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| 16:38.15 | dannyp | I'm having a serious DNS-related headache |
| 16:38.34 | karsten | chfn: Indeed. |
| 16:38.35 | catalyst4000 | chfn: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 16:38.41 | catalyst4000 | that's one of my favorite websites |
| 16:38.53 | karsten | chfn: I hear that there are these things called "search engines" under development at Stanford and all. |
| 16:38.59 | dannyp | I changed the authority nameservers for my domain |
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| 16:39.08 | chfn | karsten, thats a plenty of ways to tell me the same. but I enjoyed . thanks :D |
| 16:39.11 | karsten | dannyp: Change your serials. |
| 16:39.14 | dannyp | a couple of days ago, but some servers still haven't updated the change |
| 16:39.16 | karsten | chfn: ;-) |
| 16:39.19 | chfn | karsten, :) |
| 16:39.25 | FieldySnuts | don't use ttl's that are 900 days long |
| 16:39.26 | dannyp | karsten: yeah, that's what the problem appears to be |
| 16:39.33 | FieldySnuts | but yeah change the serials too (incriment) |
| 16:39.42 | karsten | chfn: bittorrent, some related stuff. Depends on what you want to share. |
| 16:39.50 | dannyp | but this is one domain I don't control any of the zones for (I don't run any of the actual nameservers) |
| 16:39.53 | karsten | dannyp: They have to increment _up_. |
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| 16:40.03 | karsten | dannyp: Bribe the admins. |
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| 16:40.13 | dannyp | heh |
| 16:40.41 | chfn | karsten, music, videos, these kind. |
| 16:40.48 | catalyst4000 | h3y j00! I c4n n07 g37 mY Pr0n 2 w3rK |
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| 16:41.17 | karsten | chfn: Torrents. There's some index-free type stuff going around. Depends if you've got rights to the material or not. |
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| 16:41.58 | Twisted_Emotions | Anyone know how to delete a whole directory in debian? |
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| 16:42.06 | dannyp | is there a way to get the serial that the old nameserver is providing? |
| 16:42.09 | dannyp | I don't see it with dig |
| 16:42.09 | chfn | karsten, I live in a small country. a poor country. our father did not tell us whats the meaning of material rights. |
| 16:42.11 | catalyst4000 | well, anyways, I'm a happy camper, my Fedora to Debian switch went well |
| 16:42.14 | marcot | Why doesn't pbuilder uses the same mirror from /etc/apt/sources.list to download the packages? |
| 16:42.25 | catalyst4000 | Twisted_Emotions: rm -Rf directory/ |
| 16:42.30 | STuFfOr | Can anyone help me? I cant get my Joystick working. Ist pluged in at the Game-Port... |
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| 16:42.49 | _joey | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1 |
| 16:42.49 | Twisted_Emotions | catalyst4000: thanks |
| 16:42.53 | _joey | that's how you delete it |
| 16:43.18 | EvilSporkMan | Twisted_Emotions: don't listen to _joey... |
| 16:43.22 | catalyst4000 | ha |
| 16:43.23 | tarzeau | chfn: which country is that? |
| 16:43.25 | karsten | chfn: copyright. |
| 16:43.36 | chfn | karsten, lol, I know friend. :) |
| 16:43.36 | karsten | tarzeau: Brazil. |
| 16:43.38 | Twisted_Emotions | no shot.. |
| 16:43.38 | LordFrith | Yeah. Who would want to use a bs of 1? |
| 16:43.39 | chfn | tarzeau, Brazil |
| 16:43.42 | chfn | karsten, :P |
| 16:43.43 | Twisted_Emotions | *no shit.. |
| 16:43.51 | catalyst4000 | _joey: I prefer: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda bs=1 |
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| 16:44.14 | chfn | karsten, is there a hundred of tcp ports to forward to get Torrent working? |
| 16:44.14 | FieldySnuts | uh don't do that anybody. |
| 16:44.19 | FieldySnuts | @fuck catalyst4000 |
| 16:44.22 | _joey | well, I'd prefer wipe utility then |
| 16:44.30 | EvilSporkMan | _joey: i prefer shred |
| 16:44.32 | marcot | Shouldn't it use the same configuration? |
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| 16:44.40 | FieldySnuts | look into secure deletion toolkit, srm or bcwipe |
| 16:44.51 | karsten | chfn: Dunno, I don't serve the stuff myself. |
| 16:44.54 | FieldySnuts | note if you want true data destruction, you have to destroy the drive |
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| 16:45.09 | catalyst4000 | well... even in that case it is recoverable |
| 16:45.09 | FieldySnuts | depends how important it is. |
| 16:45.16 | chfn | karsten, I know but I'm behind a BSD gateway |
| 16:45.17 | catalyst4000 | magnetic residue |
| 16:45.28 | catalyst4000 | you'd really have to destroy something awful |
| 16:45.29 | FieldySnuts | not if you grind the platters into powder and blow that into an incinerator (us military does this) |
| 16:45.33 | catalyst4000 | heh |
| 16:45.35 | catalyst4000 | true |
| 16:45.43 | Twisted_Emotions | Banks do 100 0-1 writes.... |
| 16:45.48 | chfn | karsten, Are you telling me that you did not share things? only downlond ? |
| 16:45.54 | chfn | s/downlond/download/ |
| 16:45.56 | LordFrith | Why would you need to blow it into an incinerator? |
| 16:45.56 | karsten | chfn: Default 6881 |
| 16:45.58 | FieldySnuts | just get bcwipe. it does these things far more intelligently than you ever could |
| 16:46.10 | FieldySnuts | LordFrith: so the little bits can't be put back together |
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| 16:46.19 | karsten | chfn: When you grab torrents you're sharing as well. I'm on dialup w/ dynip, so it's sort of limited. |
| 16:46.22 | chfn | karsten, So Torrent is fine! :) |
| 16:46.23 | FieldySnuts | LordFrith: sounds insane but if you have super sensitive data, you can't be careful enough |
| 16:46.24 | hehemannen | anyone who knows anythong about music creation in linux? |
| 16:46.35 | hehemannen | cos i was thinking about the alsa modular synth |
| 16:46.38 | Twisted_Emotions | FieldySnuts: I dont need scure wipe.. I dont know why you guys are talking about it.. |
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| 16:46.40 | hehemannen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.50 | catalyst4000 | because I'm crazy |
| 16:46.50 | FieldySnuts | Twisted_Emotions: oh okay, sounds like somebody is over reacting then. sorry |
| 16:46.51 | cahoot | hehemannen: tried in #lad? |
| 16:46.51 | chfn | karsten, hm but do you have a small connection with dialup or a high speed ? |
| 16:46.52 | hehemannen | i need a good modular synth that isent visually to clobberd |
| 16:46.55 | melita | i know hehemannen try to look at creation commons |
| 16:46.56 | LordFrith | Yes, you can be. Reconstructing a drive in that condition (not incinerated) would be impossible. |
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| 16:47.02 | catalyst4000 | i gave him the answer already |
| 16:47.05 | catalyst4000 | the right one |
| 16:47.06 | chfn | sorry s/small connection/slow connection/ |
| 16:47.09 | catalyst4000 | that wouldn't wipe a whole drive |
| 16:47.11 | melita | i was searching there |
| 16:47.14 | karsten | chfn: 56kbps |
| 16:47.18 | Twisted_Emotions | catalyst4000: I know... |
| 16:47.23 | karsten | chfn: Small. |
| 16:47.28 | gnupg | How can i print with gtklp in abiword on testing? |
| 16:47.30 | Twisted_Emotions | catalyst4000: Thanks... deleteing now.. |
| 16:47.35 | chfn | karsten, interesting. personal question! :D why? |
| 16:47.39 | Twisted_Emotions | *deleting |
| 16:47.41 | hehemannen | anyone who knows anythong about music creation in linux? |
| 16:47.42 | catalyst4000 | Twisted_Emotions: just be careful |
| 16:47.48 | karsten | chfn: Cheap and broke. |
| 16:47.50 | catalyst4000 | linux doesn't ask "Are you sure?" |
| 16:47.51 | simonrvn | no thongs here |
| 16:48.01 | hehemannen | catalyst4000 yes it does |
| 16:48.03 | catalyst4000 | rm -Rf / would be very bad |
| 16:48.05 | hehemannen | if you want it to |
| 16:48.08 | chfn | karsten, fine ! :) |
| 16:48.20 | melita | someone who created ur own system based on debian kernel?? |
| 16:48.28 | catalyst4000 | hehemannen: Linux doesn't ask me |
| 16:48.39 | tarzeau | melita: debian doesn't make kernels |
| 16:48.39 | hehemannen | depends on the question |
| 16:48.44 | tarzeau | melita: they distribute them |
| 16:48.51 | chfn | karsten, I opened www.o1.com and the first thing I see in the website. Welcome to Speed. |
| 16:48.53 | tarzeau | melita: i've created livecd.gnustep.org |
| 16:49.06 | Twisted_Emotions | catalyst4000: It's alright.... I'm new to linux but not dumb. Not completely anyways. |
| 16:49.07 | chfn | karsten, its not funny but interesting. :) 56k and broadband. |
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| 16:49.18 | chfn | karsten, here some places we still use 56k too |
| 16:49.29 | karsten | chfn: They're a dialup provider for other ISPs. I'm actually on Earthlink, originally via Netcom. Twisted story. |
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| 16:49.58 | chfn | karsten, Twisted story. |
| 16:50.10 | chfn | karsten, but Sacramento right ? |
| 16:50.16 | chfn | karsten, (you live) |
| 16:50.17 | karsten | chfn: Current options for you: BitTorrent (you can host your own seeds), eDonkey, Gnutella (sort of like Napster). Kazaa's commercial and spyware. |
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| 16:50.20 | karsten | chfn: Napa. |
| 16:50.32 | thingfish | wow nice, Napa. |
| 16:50.43 | karsten | chfn: ....Morpheus. eDonkey seems to be the current rising star other than BT. |
| 16:50.44 | chfn | karsten, Napa? whats ? I dont know. |
| 16:50.47 | chfn | karsten, thanks ! |
| 16:50.47 | thingfish | wine country USA |
| 16:51.01 | karsten | thingfish: Heh. It's a nice place to visit.... |
| 16:51.03 | chfn | karsten, nice. |
| 16:51.05 | Twisted_Emotions | Why is it Twisted... why can't it be demented... DAMN you karsten |
| 16:51.10 | thingfish | I bet, karsten. |
| 16:51.18 | melita | well, i mean i wana makea debian based sistem at college to be safe, small fast and usefull |
| 16:51.19 | karsten | thingfish: Got to say the biking's really good. Tech industry here sucks. |
| 16:51.20 | chfn | karsten, wine country USA. really? nice.! |
| 16:51.41 | karsten | chfn: Yeah. |
| 16:51.43 | catalyst4000 | want some cheese to go with that whine Twisted? |
| 16:51.45 | catalyst4000 | heh |
| 16:51.54 | Twisted_Emotions | hehe kidding ;) |
| 16:51.56 | thingfish | karsten: yeah, I can imagine tech is weak in that heavily agricultural area. |
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| 16:52.13 | chfn | karsten, can I abuse you? And do a professional question? |
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| 16:52.21 | karsten | thingfish: Well, tech more or less sucks in the bay area period. |
| 16:52.27 | karsten | chfn: Shoot. |
| 16:52.53 | karsten | chfn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer |
| 16:52.56 | Twisted_Emotions | karsten: Shes right... I live in the bay too... still waiting for fucking fiber optic :P |
| 16:52.56 | CyL_away | does anyone knows the difference between the 8139cp and the 8139too drivers? |
| 16:53.05 | catalyst4000 | I live in a city full of banks, insurance companies, healthcare, and government |
| 16:53.06 | chfn | karsten, I'm searching on netcraft.com a place to host my project. In Europe, North America. |
| 16:53.07 | Eclipser | geez |
| 16:53.08 | catalyst4000 | tech everywhere |
| 16:53.17 | Eclipser | cvs server is awfully difficult to set up on debian |
| 16:53.18 | karsten | Twisted_Emotions: Who's "she"? |
| 16:53.28 | Twisted_Emotions | karsten: you.. |
| 16:53.34 | Twisted_Emotions | sorry.. |
| 16:53.39 | CyL_away | lol |
| 16:53.46 | chfn | karsten, Whats the cheap and best host ? that you know ? I mean cheap because my coin(R$) is sucks |
| 16:53.49 | melita | tarzeau i need apt-get |
| 16:53.50 | karsten | Twisted_Emotions: Um. <feels low> Nope. |
| 16:53.54 | Twisted_Emotions | my online communications suck. |
| 16:54.04 | tarzeau | melita: it has apt-get |
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| 16:54.13 | karsten | chfn: What sort of hosting, and why US/EU? |
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| 16:54.33 | tarzeau | melita: it ships the best unix tools, gnu software, the best gui, and the best software management tools, development environment and best games |
| 16:54.40 | karsten | chfn: There's some free hosting for FS projects. Most ISPs offer stuff. If you want full racks, Rackshack or similar. |
| 16:54.40 | Twisted_Emotions | kasten: Wait? What? Why do u feel low? I just said you right... bay area ISP's suck.. |
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| 16:54.48 | chfn | karsten, to host php, mysql and minimal of 100mb of storage. |
| 16:54.53 | Twisted_Emotions | karsten: Wait? What? Why do u feel low? I just said you right... bay area ISP's suck.. |
| 16:55.00 | SuperSox | does anyone know of any phone/wap emulators? |
| 16:55.07 | chfn | karsten, I mean its still not FS projects. |
| 16:55.18 | SuperSox | I'm searching with apt-cache but not coming up with much yet |
| 16:55.34 | karsten | Twisted_Emotions: Gender check. Disabusing your perception ;-) |
| 16:55.38 | Unskill3d | does anyone know how to "smooth" the scrolling of a console under gnome ? |
| 16:55.44 | melita | k know debian has |
| 16:55.45 | shingouz | SuperSox: got the gprs working? |
| 16:55.56 | tzafrir_laptop | SuperSox, emulate what exactly? |
| 16:56.05 | karsten | chfn: I really don't deal with webhosting much. There's lots of providers. You're looking for some sort of vhost likely. |
| 16:56.07 | chfn | karsten, I want something simple. |
| 16:56.07 | SuperSox | shingouz: no not yet, need to devote some time to coursework ;( |
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| 16:56.09 | Twisted_Emotions | karsten: Ur a guy? or girl? |
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| 16:56.16 | shingouz | SuperSox: :) |
| 16:56.25 | melita | cause i dont understand the point of what makes diffrent distributions..do yhey have the same kernel.. |
| 16:56.27 | SuperSox | tzafrir_laptop: I need to access a wap/wmll site |
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| 16:56.38 | chfn | karsten, I'm looking for shared hosts. Cheapest as possible |
| 16:56.43 | chfn | karsten, and secure. |
| 16:56.44 | melita | tarzeau do u mean typespeed |
| 16:57.09 | ale5 | where is XF86 channel ? |
| 16:57.11 | catalyst4000 | melita: basically from what I understand, different distributions use different ideals for how a system should work.. |
| 16:57.17 | tarzeau | melita: no, nethack |
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| 16:57.29 | catalyst4000 | melita: also, they package different software |
| 16:57.32 | karsten | chfn: Your basic options are: canned site (lots of options, cheap as ~$30/mo or less, usually 10-100 MB, minimal scripting), vhost (varying capabilities, ~100 MB+, a few GB monthly bw), rackspace (1u) ~$300/mo+, rackspace (full rack) ++ |
| 16:57.37 | shingouz | melita: yes, most of the distros have the same kernel. the packaging systems are different as are the filesystems. the kernels have some minor differencies between them though |
| 16:57.42 | tzafrir_laptop | chfn, there are many hosting choices. |
| 16:57.43 | melita | well i understand that |
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| 16:58.04 | melita | well then wich kernel should I install |
| 16:58.04 | tzafrir_laptop | chfn, for free software you naturally have SF and alike |
| 16:58.07 | karsten | chfn: Best bet would be to hop on a user list and ask for hosting suggestions. As I said, I don't play there. |
| 16:58.15 | catalyst4000 | melita: likewise the kernel version may be the same, but Red Hat/Fedora kernels usually have a ton of patches out of the box |
| 16:58.21 | melita | of making my own system |
| 16:58.25 | karsten | chfn: Eg: debian-user, svlug, lugod (some apropos / local options). |
| 16:58.32 | chfn | tzafrir_laptop, is not free software |
| 16:58.39 | melita | well thats clear to me |
| 16:58.41 | SuperSox | chfn: I can recomend you a host, mind if I pm, I'd rather not advertise in channel |
| 16:58.52 | karsten | chfn: There's also a lot to be said for hosting near to where you are in order to access stuff if necessary. |
| 16:59.14 | shingouz | melita: depends on what you have there at the moment. mainly what hardware you run. if tyou have a new system with a p4 you can use big and heavy software, with an old 486 there is no way you can run something like gnome for instance |
| 16:59.17 | catalyst4000 | ale5: what do you need? I just installed my nvidia driver last night |
| 16:59.23 | melita | cause i wouldnt need debian, I need kernel, i have some own projects to implement |
| 16:59.24 | Blissex | ale5: try #NVIDIA too |
| 16:59.33 | melita | i have an old hardware |
| 16:59.44 | shingouz | melita: define "old" ;) |
| 16:59.46 | melita | and need dhcp cause thats on college |
| 16:59.48 | karsten | melita: You're probably looking for Linux From Scratch. |
| 16:59.54 | melita | 500 mhz celleron |
| 16:59.56 | ale5 | catalyst4000: well dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 does not want to write XFconfig |
| 17:00.03 | melita | karsten yes |
| 17:00.09 | runedude | hi guys I have a question |
| 17:00.11 | karsten | melita: Minimal Debian install would require ~150 MB or so. Possibly shave a bit off of that, but it would be tight. |
| 17:00.13 | catalyst4000 | ale5: did you already compile the kernel interface? |
| 17:00.14 | shingouz | melita: that is not old by any means, i have 486'es here too :) |
| 17:00.14 | melita | and i run window maker |
| 17:00.14 | runedude | what chmod is this? drwx--x--x |
| 17:00.16 | melita | not gnome |
| 17:00.24 | chfn | karsten, I would like to host a web php project that uses MySQL db in a cheap webhost. |
| 17:00.26 | ale5 | catalyst4000: yep |
| 17:00.28 | melita | i need fast small and usefull system |
| 17:00.37 | catalyst4000 | ale5: okay, it shouldn't be that rough then |
| 17:00.38 | melita | and safe too |
| 17:00.39 | karsten | melita: I've run Debian on as old as 386 HW, within recent memory, 486 32 MB 2 GB. |
| 17:00.51 | melita | i know |
| 17:00.52 | catalyst4000 | ale5: as root: vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:01.02 | ale5 | catalyst4000: :) |
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| 17:01.19 | shingouz | melita: we could focus on making the system small and fast first i think and then move on to the security part? |
| 17:01.20 | karsten | melita: No need to run a WM at all if necessary. |
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| 17:01.32 | catalyst4000 | ale5: go to the Section "Device" |
| 17:01.33 | melita | i likeit but i would like to have my own things linux from skratch |
| 17:01.42 | adjacent | is the prefered debian way of removing an daemon from starting during boot to remove its S##entry from the proper runlevels? |
| 17:01.45 | chfn | karsten, I would like to host a web php project that uses MySQL db in a cheap webhost with HTTPS and HTTP |
| 17:01.55 | catalyst4000 | ale5: where it says: Driver "nv" (or something else) |
| 17:01.58 | shingouz | melita: you sure want to do things the hard way, don't you? |
| 17:02.04 | ale5 | catalyst4000: and change it to nvidia ... |
| 17:02.05 | karsten | adjacent: First cut is to remove the daemon. Otherwise: update-rc.d |
| 17:02.10 | melita | i have to doit hard way |
| 17:02.11 | catalyst4000 | ale5: yep |
| 17:02.12 | tzafrir_laptop | chfn, https means a dedicated IP, which will cost you more |
| 17:02.16 | melita | i desperate want that |
| 17:02.16 | ale5 | catalyst4000: i went tru this all |
| 17:02.18 | catalyst4000 | ale5: then |
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| 17:02.23 | melita | thats the best way to learn |
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| 17:02.27 | chfn | tzafrir_laptop, dont need to be one! |
| 17:02.28 | karsten | chfn: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=cheap+webhosting+php+mysql+ssl&btnG=Search |
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| 17:02.30 | shingouz | melita: way to go |
| 17:02.33 | catalyst4000 | ale5: go to the Section "Modules" |
| 17:02.34 | melita | i need that |
| 17:02.36 | adjacent | karsten: its apache2,and i want it available, in case i cant use apache-ssl. ill look at update-rc.d |
| 17:02.41 | chfn | karsten, thanks! |
| 17:02.46 | catalyst4000 | ale5: comment out Load "dri" |
| 17:02.54 | melita | so would u helpmeexplaining things I need and to teach me |
| 17:02.54 | tzafrir_laptop | chfn, you need one if you want a valid certificate. |
| 17:03.19 | karsten | melita: I'd suggest you start with a minimal base Debian install and see if that's going to work. If not, find Linux From Scratch (it's a project) and build your own. Whinging on channel isn't going to do much about your system being small, secure, or custom. |
| 17:03.20 | ale5 | catalyst4000: also done ... |
| 17:03.23 | chfn | tzafrir_laptop, in fact dont need. |
| 17:03.25 | melita | look I am a girl a linux chick and I have to know those things to know all |
| 17:03.36 | catalyst4000 | ale5: hmmm, save the config and restart X? |
| 17:03.38 | EvilSporkMan | !tell melita about gentoo |
| 17:03.45 | drac | ale5: Actually, remove everything else in Modules section except dbe, extmod, type1, freetype and glx. You'll get better performance. |
| 17:03.46 | melita | i know abou gentoo |
| 17:03.47 | Henryk | hehe |
| 17:03.49 | ale5 | catalyst4000: i got tru all possible online article describing this |
| 17:03.52 | catalyst4000 | ale5: also, try to look at what kind of errors are coming up |
| 17:03.52 | melita | an use it |
| 17:03.57 | melita | i like ubuntu |
| 17:04.02 | EvilSporkMan | melita: I'm half joking |
| 17:04.06 | karsten | !EvilSporkMan++ |
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| 17:04.13 | melita | ununtu live savedme whan i came to mashine with nothing |
| 17:04.14 | adjacent | melita: i should take you to dinner some time =) do you live in the southeast? |
| 17:04.22 | karsten | melita: What's your HW, CPU, RAM, disk? |
| 17:04.24 | EvilSporkMan | !slap adjacent |
| 17:04.31 | Delph | oh ffs. #debian is NOT a pickup channel. |
| 17:04.34 | ale5 | catalyst4000: desperately enough, i tried nvidia installer, that failed too :P |
| 17:04.50 | melita | 64 mb , 533mhz, 13 gb |
| 17:04.55 | catalyst4000 | ale5: do you have the kernel headers installed? |
| 17:05.05 | Henryk | Delph: you sure? because I've picked up quite a lot knowledge from here |
| 17:05.07 | adjacent | c'mon, most of you couldnt pick up a girl in a brothel. ;) |
| 17:05.08 | melita | adjacent im from croatia |
| 17:05.12 | melita | but u could |
| 17:05.14 | ale5 | catalyst4000: yes, 2.6.11.6 |
| 17:05.19 | shingouz | melita: what version of debian you have there at the moment? |
| 17:05.35 | chfn | karsten, thanks! |
| 17:05.39 | catalyst4000 | ale5: wow, I haven't tried nvidia with kernel 2.6.11 |
| 17:05.51 | karsten | Delph: It's *NOT*? |
| 17:05.53 | catalyst4000 | ale5: It should work, but I've only done it in 2.6.10 |
| 17:05.54 | furrywolf | debian's a pickup channel, you say? /me is a 6'0 grey wolf, seeking an emotionally mature, loving, intellectual, caring woman for a long-term relationship, a couple kids, and whole lots of random snuggles. |
| 17:05.57 | melita | sarge |
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| 17:05.59 | Bac9 | LordFrith: just found a calculator site, aparantly I am already running about 50W over... oh well, so much for another drive :-( now to find another PSU |
| 17:06.01 | melita | i likeit |
| 17:06.05 | melita | and asoftmodem:))) |
| 17:06.10 | ale5 | catalyst4000: on one machine seems fine, but direct rendering=NO |
| 17:06.33 | ale5 | catalyst4000: actualy, not sure if i run correct driver, is not in lsmod |
| 17:06.37 | EvilSporkMan | perhaps linuxfromscratch would be good for melita? I can't recommend it as I've never done it, and I'm sure not going to try on AMD64 |
| 17:06.42 | shingouz | melita: you installed with the new installer, didn't you? the one with discover and hotplug and all? |
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| 17:06.48 | tzafrir_laptop | melita, it seems that memory is the limiting factor. |
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| 17:07.13 | catalyst4000 | ale5: ah, did you run the nvidia installer with X off? |
| 17:07.18 | melita | EvilSporkMan it could bhe good |
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| 17:07.24 | ale5 | catalyst4000: yes |
| 17:07.25 | tzafrir_laptop | if you could get some more memory, you could use a better desktop (or more desktops ) |
| 17:07.26 | EvilSporkMan | melita: yeah, with that little RAM you're going to want to run fluxbox or icewm, not GNOME or KDE |
| 17:07.41 | melita | shingouz i did |
| 17:07.46 | melita | and kernel 2.4 |
| 17:07.48 | shingouz | melita: any possibility you could get a biut more ram on the computer? |
| 17:07.51 | paulswm | furrywolf: found a date for you http://www.boners.com/grub/791178.html |
| 17:07.54 | ale5 | catalyst4000: dont remember what the error message was, will reproduce it soon :) |
| 17:07.56 | shingouz | bit even |
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| 17:08.02 | melita | im running window maker |
| 17:08.07 | melita | i likewindowmaker |
| 17:08.11 | Delph | furrywolf: fersure, pop over to the UK, and you can have 1/3 shares in my other half. |
| 17:08.13 | melita | yes i can |
| 17:08.18 | catalyst4000 | ale5: hmmm... check your /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 17:08.18 | melita | thats not a prooblem |
| 17:08.24 | furrywolf | paulswm: doesn't look like my type. :P |
| 17:08.24 | melita | im implementing that |
| 17:08.30 | shingouz | wm is good and gets even better with more ram, Me |
| 17:08.30 | Henryk | hmpf, I'm on the wrong kernel, got to reboot |
| 17:08.39 | paulswm | furrywolf: Couldn't resist :) |
| 17:08.42 | catalyst4000 | ale5: look for lines that start with (WW) or (EE) |
| 17:08.55 | karsten | melita: That's *not* minimal HW. |
| 17:09.06 | EmleyMoor | There's a web site which is or was also available as a Debian package that covers electronics information - pinouts of connectors and things - unfortunately, can't remember the site or the package |
| 17:09.09 | ale5 | catalyst4000: mhm, says "caught signal 11 server aborting" |
| 17:09.11 | melita | karsten i know |
| 17:09.44 | karsten | furrywolf: Stop looking for dates at preschools. |
| 17:09.50 | melita | well itis working good now |
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| 17:10.11 | melita | but i need something that will be more useful for students |
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| 17:10.13 | furrywolf | karsten: or, move to some area other than humboldt county. all that seems to live here and pothead bimbos... |
| 17:10.17 | furrywolf | s/and/are |
| 17:10.24 | EvilSporkMan | do I need lm_sensors to monitor CPU temperature? |
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| 17:10.35 | shingouz | melita: personally i like to remove discover and hotplug, if i have pcmcia i run cardmgr and usbmgr for usb. makes the system just that small bit faster. also a pre-emptive 2.6 kernel is a very good thing on old SMP systems it seems |
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| 17:10.41 | ale5 | furrywolf: please type : /leave #debian /join #lesbian |
| 17:10.55 | furrywolf | ale5: I'm male. :P |
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| 17:11.10 | melita | well my softmodem is not working with 2.6 |
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| 17:11.17 | ale5 | furrywolf: i knew there is something wrong :) |
| 17:11.39 | melita | well i have an ethernet on college |
| 17:11.40 | EmleyMoor | melita: What kind of softmodem? |
| 17:11.40 | axelx | is there an X-Session emulation for Windowse to use with SSH connection? |
| 17:11.50 | karsten_ | furrywolf: ;-) |
| 17:11.55 | shingouz | melita: you sure? have you googled for it already? new drivers come out pretty much every day is what i found out when i got myself a webcam |
| 17:12.00 | furrywolf | ale5: though, sadly, most of the women I've met that were mature and intelligent were lesbians... *sigh* |
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| 17:12.19 | EvilSporkMan | furrywolf: they would probably say that there's a reason for that correlation =\ |
| 17:12.32 | melita | mybe these days but i had allready tomuch problems |
| 17:12.38 | Wyzard | axelx: There are several X servers available for Windows... the Cygwin X server is free, and X-Win32 and Hummingbird Exceed are two non-free ones I know of |
| 17:12.41 | Delph | EvilSporkMan: yes. Any sensible person wouldn't go out with a man. |
| 17:12.57 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: great, my life is now officially over |
| 17:13.19 | Delph | EvilSporkMan: yay! can i have your computer screen now you have no life? |
| 17:13.31 | shingouz | melita: there is also a pre-emptive patch for 2.4 kernels. i used to run it on this system before 2.6 came out. works pretty good too and that way you learn how to patch the kernel too |
| 17:13.49 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: you don't want it - it's an old compaq clunker that only goes up to 1024x768 |
| 17:13.50 | melita | cool |
| 17:13.58 | melita | I willl look at it |
| 17:14.06 | karsten | axelx: Cygwin's XFree86 port. |
| 17:14.30 | Delph | EvilSporkMan: it's gotta be worth a pint of beer or two. |
| 17:14.33 | karsten | axelx: There's an XLiveCD now w/ Cygwin on it. |
| 17:14.42 | rj-away_ | um... |
| 17:14.52 | rj-away_ | cygwin uses xorg now, I think. |
| 17:14.54 | simonrvn | Delph: thinking with your beer belly? ;p |
| 17:14.58 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: probably, but I don't drink, so I can't judge the worth of a pint of beer |
| 17:15.06 | Delph | simonrvn: there's no finer thing to think with. |
| 17:15.07 | furrywolf | evilsporkman: heh. all I know is the bimbo-mindset really doesn't work for me... I need an intelligent, mature woman to talk to, go everywhere and do everything together, snuggle randomly, have _meaningful_ conversations, etc... and they seem hard to find. :( |
| 17:15.17 | simonrvn | Delph: :) |
| 17:15.49 | EvilSporkMan | furrywolf: that sounds nice...I have one in mind but one of her friends tells me she has said she'd never date a virgin again |
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| 17:16.20 | Delph | EvilSporkMan: i hear there's a roaring trade in virginness removal at these nice ladies on street corners. |
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| 17:16.40 | Henryk | re |
| 17:16.47 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: yeah, i did yell at the friend for telling me basically to "go get laid and come back" |
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| 17:17.21 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 17:17.53 | SuperSox | anyone know of a wml/wap browser? |
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| 17:18.48 | Delph | SuperSox: firefox + wmlbrowser plugin |
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| 17:19.01 | Delph | SuperSox: or join the wmlprogramming list at yahoo groups and ask there. |
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| 17:19.17 | SuperSox | Delph: aha, got a link for that wmlbrowser plugin? (looking at the mozilla list of plugins just now) |
| 17:19.19 | Delph | SuperSox: but most companies produce browsers for windows. |
| 17:19.29 | SuperSox | Delph: I know :) |
| 17:19.29 | Delph | SuperSox: wmlbrowser.mozdev.org ?? |
| 17:19.41 | Delph | </random guess> |
| 17:19.47 | Delph | really, google. it's called 'wmlbrowser' |
| 17:19.49 | SuperSox | Delph: I'm just trying to knock out a quick wap site and suddenly realised I don't have any tools |
| 17:19.59 | SuperSox | Delph: yeah, I figured hitting google would probably be fastest ;) |
| 17:20.02 | Delph | SuperSox: wurfl.sf.net <- the way forward. |
| 17:20.09 | rectum | the default font used in xterm/Eterm/rxvt etc. the small looking one, as in the case of this screenshot, http://never.belike.net/pics/irssi.jpg - how can I have this exact xterm font in say gnome-terminal? |
| 17:20.12 | Delph | if you want wml + xhtml + chtml + imode support |
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| 17:20.47 | SuperSox | Delph: thanks :) |
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| 17:21.14 | Delph | especially if you use java to host the page. |
| 17:21.29 | SuperSox | Delph: I'm litterally knocking up a quick page for university |
| 17:21.44 | rectum | does anyone know, because I love that font, and any of these other strains my eyes |
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| 17:22.06 | SuperSox | Delph: which makes my options rather limited, but at the moment that is aplus |
| 17:22.11 | EmleyMoor | Wish I could remember the name of that web site/package |
| 17:22.26 | SuperSox | Delph: by the way, yes it is wmlbrowser.mozdev.org |
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| 17:23.37 | Delph | SuperSox: oh, if you're just doing it quickly, grab the WALL package from that sf.net site and knock up a few jsp's for the site. Instant mobile content with little-no hassle. |
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| 17:23.47 | madclicker | hey guys, is alsa-modules been removed from the 2.6 tree and what has replaced it? |
| 17:24.06 | EmleyMoor | madclicker: No, far from it. |
| 17:24.23 | EmleyMoor | Standard in 2.6 |
| 17:24.53 | madclicker | EmleyMoor: when i use apt or synaptic, only 2.4 alasa modules show, where kan i get the 2.6? |
| 17:25.16 | EmleyMoor | madclicker: As part of 2.6 kernel source. They are standard, rather than additional |
| 17:25.55 | rectum | how do I find out which font is used by xterm, so I can use it in gnome-terminal? |
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| 17:26.17 | rectum | i installed the fontconfig package and ran the fc-list but i can't seem to figure this out |
| 17:26.20 | cahoot | rectum: try xprop -font FIXED |
| 17:26.24 | kingsley | Is it OK to make some new disk partitions with MS FDISK and others with cfdisk? |
| 17:26.36 | madclicker | EmleyMoor: do you know by any chance what would i need to get the sound modules loading in 2.6? |
| 17:27.04 | EmleyMoor | Worked straight away for me... what's your actual problem? |
| 17:27.22 | doub | kingsley: what's the point of doing so? |
| 17:28.04 | rectum | FONT = -Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-SemiCondensed--13-120-75-75-C-60-ISO8859-1 <== how can I apply this to gnome-terminal |
| 17:28.06 | madclicker | EmleyMoor: was that a question for me? |
| 17:28.15 | EmleyMoor | madclicker: Yes |
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| 17:28.34 | rectum | cahoot: thanks btw |
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| 17:28.47 | doub | rectum: why do you want to use gmome-term in the first place? what does it bring you, except memory fulfilment ? |
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| 17:29.14 | rectum | doub: don't worry about it |
| 17:29.33 | kingsley | doub: Keeping existing partions that were made with cfdisk and adding a new partition that MS FORMAT can use. |
| 17:29.49 | madclicker | EmleyMoor: i cant get my Cmedia 9880 to work |
| 17:30.03 | doub | rectum: i don't, just trying to save you some bucks because of useless memory usage. |
| 17:30.08 | EmleyMoor | How can't you? What have you tried? How has it failed? |
| 17:30.16 | simonrvn | rectum: you probably already got this (lame) joke, but "you asshole!" |
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| 17:30.32 | nonix4 | Hmm... any ideas on what to do w/ a 'puter w/ Mem: 710104k total, 702612k used, 7492k free, 3344k buffer, 1G swap 50% used, 716 meg X process w/ 530 megs resident after quitting gimp (200 resident before that)? |
| 17:30.43 | chfn | SuperSox, hey man. one minute of your attention |
| 17:30.50 | rectum | lol |
| 17:30.52 | doub | kingsley: both *should* be compatible with one another |
| 17:30.54 | rectum | indeed I have |
| 17:31.04 | bitumen | Good modning folks! |
| 17:31.12 | paster | "Twisted_Emotions" at 68.126.232.43 pasted "Can't get webmin to install... do I need to remove old version?" (21 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/52 |
| 17:31.24 | nonix4 | (quitting processes tends to INCREASE memory use because of some weirdo X behaviour) |
| 17:31.29 | doub | kingsley: but that won't prevent you from subtle problems impossible to solve without backing up, repartitioning and restoring |
| 17:31.38 | madclicker | EmleyMoor: i get no sound :) |
| 17:31.43 | EmleyMoor | nonix4: Run some more? |
| 17:31.45 | Twisted_Emotions | ^^^^ It gets stuck at that command and just sits there.. |
| 17:31.50 | chfn | SuperSox, please. |
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| 17:31.59 | EmleyMoor | madclicler: Tried running a suitable mixer? |
| 17:32.00 | kingsley | doub: I have a backup. |
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| 17:32.13 | nonix4 | EmleyMoor: well this is prolly either a memory leak or memory fragmentation |
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| 17:32.20 | bitumen | Has anyone experience with promise cards under linux 2.6? |
| 17:32.27 | rectum | doub: I am actually trying to get the xterm fixed width font working under the xfce4.2 unofficial xfld-desktop packages's x-terminal app, which by the way is quite smaller/efficient than gnome-terminal, and you are not the only one who knows the bloatness of kde/gnome. Thank you, fountain of all knowledge |
| 17:32.32 | rectum | :) |
| 17:33.38 | doub | rectum: i'm far away from pretending to be so. just the contrary, if anything. |
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| 17:33.51 | madclicker | EmleyMoor: alsamixer gui, and it says on the website that alsa release 1.0.8 should work with it. |
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| 17:33.59 | Gozar | Hello. Is there a way around the 2 Gb limit with nfs shares on debian woody? |
| 17:34.11 | bitumen | Has anyone an idea how to get the buggy pdc202xx_old driver to work? plz??? |
| 17:34.30 | doub | Gozar: nfsv3, maybe |
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| 17:34.40 | madclicker | EmleyMoor: i installed alsa-base and alsa-utils, i was assumong that i need the right modules for kernel |
| 17:34.50 | EmleyMoor | madclicker: And having done that, have you made sure stuff is turned up? |
| 17:34.59 | doub | Gozar: just use a kernel with nfs v3 support, in other words. and use nfs-kernel-server |
| 17:35.09 | EmleyMoor | You may need the right modules, but they are now native to the kernel |
| 17:35.10 | rectum | doub: so can you be of any help other than general bloat information? |
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| 17:35.14 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: nfs? |
| 17:35.14 | dpkg | it has been said that nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs' |
| 17:35.23 | EmleyMoor | You just need to configure them in and compile... |
| 17:35.29 | doub | rectum: you be the judge |
| 17:35.43 | rectum | I would like to get the FONT = -Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-SemiCondensed--13-120-75-75-C-60-ISO8859-1 to be used under gnome-terminal |
| 17:35.46 | Gozar | doub: can I use nfs-kernel-server with a custom maid kernel? |
| 17:35.47 | rectum | does anyone know how |
| 17:35.52 | rectum | because I am lost |
| 17:35.54 | FieldySnuts | the word "bloat" coming out of someone using the nick "rectum" is a little disturbing heh |
| 17:35.55 | madclicker | EmleyMoor: u mean am sol if it doesnt work? |
| 17:36.02 | rectum | FieldySnuts: lol |
| 17:36.05 | __zao__ | is is possible to tell make / gcc where to look for include files? |
| 17:36.11 | __zao__ | via a env-variable e.g.? |
| 17:36.13 | FieldySnuts | man gcc , look for -I |
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| 17:36.23 | rectum | does anyone know? |
| 17:36.23 | jetdotnet | !sunday |
| 17:36.24 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 17:36.24 | FieldySnuts | oh env? i dunno |
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| 17:36.28 | doub | Gozar: of course. nfs-kernel-server only takes care of configuring |
| 17:36.44 | jetdotnet | shfs is a viable alternative |
| 17:36.45 | melita | well i have some problems with X I cnt make them work on my machine |
| 17:37.10 | EmleyMoor | madclicker: I mean you have to configure for the relevant modules, which are now part of the kernel source. Once you've done that, it should be easy |
| 17:37.11 | __zao__ | fieldysnuts: dont run gcc myself, but a script (ruby-gems) so i cant use parameters directly |
| 17:37.12 | drac | melita: Please speficy. |
| 17:37.15 | bitumen | has ANYONE experience with the pdc202xx_old unter 2.6???????????????????????????????????????????????????? (forgive this ugly stile, i`m desperate...) |
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| 17:37.24 | Gozar | doub: I thot it was for some standard debian kernel. Thanks. |
| 17:37.25 | drac | bitumen: Cut those ?'s |
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| 17:37.31 | jetdotnet | style |
| 17:37.31 | simonrvn | bitumen: um |
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| 17:37.40 | melita | well i installed debian and when i reboot i get only comand line |
| 17:37.46 | melita | and i cant start x |
| 17:37.47 | doub | rectum: just trying to be consistent, i'm quite unable to provide you details on something i'm religiously unable to use |
| 17:37.51 | jetdotnet | melita so it works |
| 17:37.52 | madclicker | EmleyMoor: any hint as to where i sould start? |
| 17:37.53 | simonrvn | oh no. CLI, what are you going to do? |
| 17:38.03 | melita | and how to start them |
| 17:38.06 | drac | melita: apt-get install x-window-system && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:38.09 | jetdotnet | startx |
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| 17:38.22 | jetdotnet | maybe tasksel if you're not up on stuff |
| 17:38.35 | Wyzard | bitumen: I've been using it ever since 2.6 was released, with no problems |
| 17:38.37 | jetdotnet | which wil do the same thing basically |
| 17:38.49 | bitumen | so noone knows anything about the promise u66 controller and linux versino 2.6? |
| 17:38.50 | EmleyMoor | madclicker: cd /usr/src/linux ; make menuconfig |
| 17:39.00 | jetdotnet | worng EmleyMoor |
| 17:39.07 | melita | ok thx |
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| 17:39.17 | EmleyMoor | If it's worng, how come it worked for me? |
| 17:39.23 | Wyzard | bitumen: I use a Promise PDC20265 (Ultra100) with pdc202xx_old |
| 17:39.26 | jetdotnet | unless you make one there is no symlink /usr/src/linux |
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| 17:39.29 | bitumen | Wyzard: are you useing a pdc20262? |
| 17:39.43 | Wyzard | bitumen: No, 20265 |
| 17:39.45 | EmleyMoor | Ah, well, I will leave that to madclicker to work out |
| 17:40.02 | bitumen | Wyzard: yeah, the pdc20265 is fixed, the older one still has a serious bug |
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| 17:40.11 | EmleyMoor | cd (kernel source directory) ; make menuconfig |
| 17:40.14 | jetdotnet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:40.33 | jetdotnet | which gets d/l'd to /usr/src |
| 17:40.34 | EmleyMoor | (I use locally-acquired kernel source anyway) |
| 17:40.49 | zaphod_ | hey, i just installed debian sid from knoppix 3.4 cd, my problem is i cant use the scroll feature of my mouse |
| 17:40.58 | jetdotnet | !knoppix |
| 17:40.58 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
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| 17:41.33 | Wyzard | bitumen: Then your question about "anyone using pdc202xx_old" with a million question marks was a bit rude, like you're in desperate urgent need of immediate help when most people using that driver don't have the same card as you anyway |
| 17:41.44 | jetdotnet | but you probably need to reconfiugre your mouse in the XF86Config-4 |
| 17:41.57 | Wyzard | zaphod_: You didn't install Debian, you installed Knoppix |
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| 17:42.04 | doub | zaphod_: if you want debian, install debian |
| 17:42.10 | madclicker | is there a way to see what commands a user is using on terminal? |
| 17:42.16 | doub | madclicker: w |
| 17:42.16 | jetdotnet | zaphod_: think imps2 not ps2 |
| 17:42.26 | rectum | can anyone PLASE tell me how to use the xterm fixed width font in gnome/kde/xfce terminal apps? |
| 17:42.33 | Wyzard | madclicker: ttysnoop maybe? |
| 17:42.41 | zaphod_ | there is an option to install sid from the knoppix cd |
| 17:42.43 | doub | madclicker: for the gory details, ps aux|grep <terminal name> |
| 17:42.45 | rectum | i can't believe no one has ever tried to do this |
| 17:43.01 | bitumen | Wyzard: the pdc202xx_old is also the driver for pdc20262. I have been searching for weeks now, and I have not found anything. Forgive that piece of rudeness. |
| 17:43.08 | jetdotnet | zaphod_: i think it's ps2 vs imps2 in the xf86config |
| 17:43.18 | jetdotnet | mouse section |
| 17:43.27 | resiak | zaphod_: It's not Debian if you install Knoppix. |
| 17:43.28 | jetdotnet | !drxx |
| 17:43.28 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 17:43.37 | doub | rectum: that would require converting the X font name to gnome font name, i guess. don't you have a clicky-clicky thing to do it for you ? |
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| 17:44.09 | Wyzard | resiak: I haven't used Knoppix's sid-install feature, but if it just runs debootstrap with the appropriate sources, it shouldn't be any different from a "real" Debian install |
| 17:44.18 | rectum | I am looking at the fonts.alias file, I have found the font, but I can't decipher the thing too well |
| 17:44.23 | rectum | doub: sarcasm is futile |
| 17:44.35 | FieldySnuts | @pee on Knoppix |
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| 17:45.00 | resiak | Wyzard: But it won't, will it? Some tweak will have been made. Same as with Kanotix -- it's supposed to be just Sid, but it's not, it's got some horrifically hacked nvidia driver bits, etc. |
| 17:45.00 | Delph | .oO( because we can't be bothered to do it ourselves ) |
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| 17:45.26 | jetdotnet | kanotix rox |
| 17:45.34 | Wyzard | resiak: That's why I said "with the appropriate sources" -- real sid sources, not Knoppix sources carrying sid-derived packages |
| 17:45.56 | resiak | Wyzard: Sure |
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| 17:46.08 | resiak | Wyzard: But I'll bet they're not. |
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| 17:46.12 | resiak | jetdotnet: How, exactly? |
| 17:46.19 | doub | zaphod_: /msg dpkg d-i if you want to install debian |
| 17:46.24 | jetdotnet | it functions well |
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| 17:47.00 | jetdotnet | good support and actively dev'd |
| 17:47.05 | resiak | jetdotnet: The nvidia scripts are totally screwed up, apparently, and they have all kinds of weird kernels and things. directhex has some bad things to say about it. |
| 17:47.10 | Wyzard | hmm, nevermind, it's an old copy... I'll try it some other time |
| 17:47.48 | jetdotnet | directhex doesn't like the nvidia installer at all :) |
| 17:47.50 | melita | hi |
| 17:48.05 | resiak | jetdotnet: That's because it's braindead. |
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| 17:48.48 | resiak | jetdotnet: Sorry, I'll take that back. It's very clever, but frequently breaks things on debian systems. |
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| 17:49.18 | Alex-- | test |
| 17:49.24 | jetdotnet | he says it will break your X when the version_of_X changes... we just haven't had any x version changes yet |
| 17:49.24 | resiak | !test Alex-- |
| 17:49.25 | dpkg | Testing Alex--... *****$$#$ |
| 17:49.31 | doub | Alex--: no you're not online |
| 17:49.37 | Alex-- | thx :) |
| 17:49.38 | hope22 | I was trying to aspell something in English just now. I first (months ago) installed aspell for English, then for French, ... and now the thing is totally broken. apt-get aspell does not help. What can I do? |
| 17:49.44 | valdyn | nvidia-installer breaks _each_ time a minor X upgrade happens |
| 17:50.03 | hope22 | apt-get install aspell, I meant. |
| 17:50.05 | FieldySnuts | ~annoy Phated |
| 17:50.07 | doub | hope22: say a prayer and hope, maybe |
| 17:50.23 | resiak | FieldySnuts: s/~/@/? |
| 17:50.36 | zaphod_ | jetdotnet, my XF86config is fine, it says ps2 mouse |
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| 17:51.00 | hope22 | doub: yeah, it does not look very good. What can one do in general when the apt-get thing screws up? |
| 17:51.35 | slyboots | Crappy Radeon drivers and no DGA access |
| 17:51.54 | resiak | slyboots: Blame ATI for the former. |
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| 17:51.54 | FieldySnuts | !irritate ATI |
| 17:51.55 | dpkg | ATI: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 17:51.58 | jetdotnet | zaphod_: what part of imps2 vs ps2... imps2 is for wheel |
| 17:52.00 | toptnc | hi all |
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| 17:52.08 | slyboots | haha |
| 17:52.10 | slyboots | Handy bott |
| 17:52.27 | slyboots | I cant use my TV card without DGA, the updates are ungodly slow |
| 17:52.36 | slyboots | (No overlay, only Grabscreen) |
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| 17:52.39 | jetdotnet | zaphod_: if you hand edit xf86config, read line 17 or so |
| 17:52.55 | slyboots | Least my machine doesent halt up anymore |
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| 17:53.48 | VoX | the rrdtool url in dpkg doesnt exist |
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| 17:54.55 | acidhax | In my Installation of FC3, my soundcard doesnt become usable until i run the SoundCard-Detection program, and my sound doesnt seem to be fully duplex |
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| 17:55.10 | acidhax | This can be annoying :P |
| 17:55.12 | FieldySnuts | we care, go talk to #fedora (if they're idle or something isn't our problem) |
| 17:55.17 | shingouz | acidhax: and that concerns us how? this is #debian not deadrat |
| 17:55.19 | acidhax | OOPS! |
| 17:55.19 | FieldySnuts | !not supporting fedora |
| 17:55.20 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support fedora too. Try #fedora or donating money to charity. |
| 17:55.23 | acidhax | yeah im sorry |
| 17:55.26 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 17:55.27 | shingouz | :) |
| 17:55.28 | acidhax | wrong channel |
| 17:55.30 | acidhax | hahaha |
| 17:55.34 | acidhax | *slaps himself* |
| 17:55.36 | tweak | hi all, does anybody know how I can find out my libc.so.6 version ? I have been looking in google for 15 mins but just cant find out how. |
| 17:56.13 | shingouz | acidhax: just install debian on the computer, less hassle for you that way :p |
| 17:56.39 | appaji | tweak: ldconfig --version |
| 17:56.42 | acidhax | debian gives me much hassle, which is why i moved to fedora |
| 17:56.43 | pharm | tweak: dpkg -s libc6 |
| 17:56.55 | tweak | thanks appaji that worked. |
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| 17:57.22 | resiak | acidhax: WE DO NOT CARE. |
| 17:57.25 | doub | acidhax: that's a very good choice |
| 17:57.33 | FieldySnuts | ~troll acidhax |
| 17:57.35 | apt | ACTION hereby declares acidhax a troll |
| 17:57.37 | rking | am i alone in hating how much work alsa is? |
| 17:57.44 | acidhax | well than |
| 17:57.47 | dabreegster | rking: yes. it's virtually useless. |
| 17:57.54 | acidhax | shingouz, is the one who mentioned it |
| 17:57.59 | acidhax | so resiak kiss it? |
| 17:58.08 | appaji | rking: Probably not, I was one of those, but I am very happy with it now. Why what happened? |
| 17:58.09 | EmleyMoor | Not only, but ALSA |
| 17:58.10 | resiak | acidhax: *plonk* |
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| 17:58.21 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 17:58.32 | resiak | Hahah. |
| 17:58.39 | FieldySnuts | you got told. not. |
| 17:58.44 | resiak | I hadn't even finished typing /ignore acidhax |
| 17:59.34 | rking | i just spent several hours trying to figure out why it wouldn't compile, hand-hacking the ./configure, etc... then i found out it demands the /usr/src/linux symlink. and now it says, "Configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel", which doesn't explain why i still have no /dev/dsp |
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| 17:59.55 | jetdotnet | why, because alsa sucks |
| 17:59.58 | valdyn | rking: are you on debian? |
| 18:00.00 | doub | rking: because alsa does not use /dev/dsp by default |
| 18:00.12 | EmleyMoor | rking: You need OSS compatibility in it |
| 18:00.17 | Wyzard | jetdotnet: ALSA sucks because it isn't OSS? |
| 18:00.20 | jetdotnet | !alsa-bork |
| 18:00.20 | dpkg | i guess alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 18:00.22 | doub | rking: modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 18:00.26 | valdyn | rking: why dont you use debians alsa packages? |
| 18:00.38 | jetdotnet | Wyzard: no, becuse it doesn't 'just work' for me and my box |
| 18:00.47 | shingouz | rking: and compile the kernel with alsa as modules not statically |
| 18:00.58 | Wyzard | jetdotnet: Loading the modules should be all you need |
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| 18:01.01 | rking | i don't have any modules - they're all configured to link statically. let me see if i configure if i've inbuilt snd_pcm_oss |
| 18:01.07 | jetdotnet | Wyzard: i agree |
| 18:01.11 | EmleyMoor | ALSA rocks, and other types of music! |
| 18:01.23 | shingouz | rking: that is the problem then. as modules. not statically. modules. |
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| 18:01.50 | rking | ok then. |
| 18:01.53 | jetdotnet | also, for sblive, the sound quality is less under alsa. at least on this box |
| 18:02.12 | madclicker | cmedia module for 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:02.18 | ysothoth | jetdotnet: You are hearing things. |
| 18:02.24 | jetdotnet | cmi-8330 or something |
| 18:02.34 | rking | i have no idea why it can't work statically |
| 18:02.37 | jetdotnet | ysothoth: yes, snap crackle pop |
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| 18:02.53 | Wyzard | jetdotnet: ALSA works fine with my Live |
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| 18:03.00 | jetdotnet | prefix snd- for alsa |
| 18:03.19 | valdyn | jetdotnet: you are trying to operate a 48khz device at 44.1khz? |
| 18:03.31 | valdyn | jetdotnet: well, or vice versa |
| 18:03.47 | tweak | wow, I just apt-get installed gcc and its asking me a funky question about what framework I want, with options like aa_DJ ISO-8859-1 and such, does it matter what one I choose? or just go ok? |
| 18:03.48 | jetdotnet | valdyn: yeah that area is where i believe the problem lies |
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| 18:04.19 | rking | shingouz: can you tell my why that would be necessary? |
| 18:04.25 | EmleyMoor | tweak: I'd go for one appropriate to your country |
| 18:04.31 | valdyn | tweak: thats locales, not gcc |
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| 18:04.44 | doub | tweak: i bet a former apt-get run installed those. you can leave it if english suits you fine |
| 18:04.52 | valdyn | tweak: and its not asking framework but language environment |
| 18:05.12 | EmleyMoor | cy_GB ISO-8859-14 <g> |
| 18:05.21 | rking | wait a second, under OSS it says "deprecated". now i'm remembering why i compiled everything this way... my main question is, why would, say, alsaplay require /dev/dsp, if alsa doesn't use it by default? |
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| 18:05.44 | EmleyMoor | Don't install OSS...install OSS compatibility for ALSA |
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| 18:06.15 | valdyn | rking: even if the name suggests differently, alsaplayer is by no means specific to alsa |
| 18:06.17 | rking | holy crap - aplay works just fine. so all along my problem wasn't alsa, but alsaplay. |
| 18:06.36 | valdyn | rking: you can see that by trying "apt-cache search alsaplayer" |
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| 18:07.42 | tweak | valdyn non say english just crazy stuff like aa_ER UTF-8 |
| 18:07.46 | hope22 | I was trying to aspell something in English just now. I first (months ago) installed aspell for English, then for French, ... and now the thing is totally broken. apt-get aspell does not help. What can I do? Anyone knows now. I've been googling for a while and no luck |
| 18:07.50 | rking | valdyn: but why wouldn't it at least work by default without the OSS compatibility? |
| 18:07.58 | valdyn | tweak: scroll down to en_US |
| 18:08.02 | tweak | valdyn ohhhh I scrolled down ar_EG ISO-8859-6 ? |
| 18:08.13 | tweak | oh ok thanks sorry |
| 18:08.19 | rking | by the way, what is the difference between "audio in" and "microphone"? is it some sort of voltage/volume difference? |
| 18:08.42 | dabreegster | hope22: examine the dependencies. there's probably a general sort of aspell package that depends on english, or french, etc. |
| 18:08.47 | doub | rking: mic is often mono and amplified, while line in or audio in is stereo without amplification |
| 18:08.53 | valdyn | rking: dpkg -l | grep alsaplayer and alsaplayer --help |
| 18:08.53 | dabreegster | hope22: check /usr/share/dict |
| 18:08.55 | rking | ahh, sweet. |
| 18:08.56 | EmleyMoor | rking: "audio in" is usually stereo and optimised for line-level sources |
| 18:08.57 | doub | rking: that depends on your soundcard, however |
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| 18:10.16 | rking | valdyn: "Sound driver options:\n -d,--device string select specific device in output plugin\n for the ALSA plugin: [default="default"]" |
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| 18:10.22 | jetdotnet | hope22: you could always try apt-get remove --purge aspell && apt-get install aspell ... but i dunno if it would help |
| 18:10.32 | hope22 | dabreegster: /usr/share/dict/words points to /etc/dictionaries-common/words; the last one does not exist |
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| 18:10.52 | valdyn | rking: and? |
| 18:10.55 | dabreegster | hope22: check /usr/share/dict and maybe change the symbolic links around |
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| 18:11.01 | hope22 | jetdotnet: giving that a try. |
| 18:11.11 | rking | valdyn: and that would lead me to believe it would support alsa's default setup by default |
| 18:11.13 | jetdotnet | hope22: dabreegster knows more than me though i belive |
| 18:11.24 | jetdotnet | believe even |
| 18:11.26 | dabreegster | hope22: you could try removing all aspell-related packages and then grabbing the one you want. if the .deb is in /var/cache/apt/archives, you won't have to download it again |
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| 18:11.31 | valdyn | rking: do you have alsaplayers alsa output plugin installed? |
| 18:11.39 | rking | valdyn: i guess not |
| 18:11.56 | valdyn | rking: no, its default alsa device is default, but its default sound device may not be alsa |
| 18:12.41 | hope22 | jetdotnet: yeah, it does not help |
| 18:13.04 | jetdotnet | :( |
| 18:13.13 | rking | yep, installing alsaplayer-alsa now. well, the only reason i was even using that to test the sound is: 1) can't do "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/{audio,dsp}, 2) trying to figure out what command i should use to play, "alsa<tab>" didn't find "aplay" |
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| 18:13.27 | rking | i think it's all good now. sorry about the misdirected anger. =) |
| 18:13.40 | hope22 | dabreegster: how do I see all the aspell-related packages, dpkg ... ? |
| 18:13.53 | EmleyMoor | dpkg -l | grep aspell |
| 18:13.54 | dpkg | No packages found matching |
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| 18:14.02 | dvs | haa |
| 18:14.06 | doub | hope22: apt-cache search aspell for non-installed ones as well |
| 18:14.19 | madclicker | hey guys, i am trying to get my cmedia 9880 to work with sarge and alsa but having no luck, can someone help? |
| 18:14.32 | EmleyMoor | madclicker: Compile the ALSA module for it |
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| 18:14.43 | doub | madclicker: alsaconf might help |
| 18:14.45 | dvs | madclicker: Better yet. alsaconf |
| 18:14.54 | valdyn | !tell madclicker about alsa 2.6 |
| 18:15.06 | dabreegster | hope22: source /etc/bash_completion; apt-get remove aspell-<TAB> # that'll show packages you have installed starting with aspell-. Also try apt-cache search |
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| 18:15.28 | jetdotnet | you install alsa-base and having that installed blacklists oss modules from hotplug and/or discover |
| 18:15.54 | elcuco | anyone installed moinmoin on debian? shuold i install the version ins debian? or the one from the site? |
| 18:16.08 | madclicker | EmleyMoor:doub:dvs: how do i compile and no supported PnP or PCI card found. |
| 18:16.26 | dvs | madclicker: lspci | grep audio |
| 18:16.28 | EmleyMoor | madclicker: Find it in the kernel's configuration routine |
| 18:16.56 | doub | madclicker: not nececarily useful to compile it, depends on your hardware |
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| 18:17.43 | jetdotnet | !modprobe \* |
| 18:17.44 | EmleyMoor | It will be called snd_cmi8xxx or something like that |
| 18:17.44 | dpkg | Warning!: module \* will taint kernel (and pants) |
| 18:17.49 | madclicker | EmleyMoor:doub:dvs: i got one of them onboard cards with 925x chipset so lspci does not show any |
| 18:17.53 | hope22 | Thanks a lot to everyone. I just did not know how to remove everything. I did that and then apt-get install aspell. Spelling my document as we speak :) |
| 18:18.06 | useruser_ | help! my machine hangs on boot because exim4 won't start. digging into it, it seems that /usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf is hanging. any ideas? |
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| 18:18.14 | EmleyMoor | madclicker: That doesn't necessarily follow |
| 18:18.19 | dabreegster | hope22: Remember, though, there's no substitute for real hand-editing. |
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| 18:18.28 | jetdotnet | exim4 wants a net connection very very badly on_boot |
| 18:18.31 | doub | useruser_: you have a DNS problem. check /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 18:18.44 | jetdotnet | i turn off my dsl modem and get that |
| 18:18.48 | madclicker | EmleyMoor: "kernel configuration routine"? |
| 18:18.51 | doub | useruser_: it will however give up after some time |
| 18:18.59 | jetdotnet | yes.. a long time |
| 18:19.07 | EmleyMoor | madclicker: "make menuconfig" in your kernel source directory |
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| 18:19.08 | hope22 | dabreegster: that sounds involved, what do you mean? |
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| 18:19.23 | holo | what is the name of the package of the sh shell? |
| 18:19.35 | EmleyMoor | ash? |
| 18:19.41 | jetdotnet | bash |
| 18:19.42 | drac | zsh? |
| 18:19.42 | doub | holo: dash or ash |
| 18:19.46 | dabreegster | hope22: actually reading and editing it yourself. |
| 18:19.50 | jetdotnet | korn |
| 18:19.52 | useruser_ | help! my machine hangs on boot because exim4 won't start. digging into it, it seems that /usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf is hanging. any ideas? |
| 18:19.54 | tarzeau | zsh rules |
| 18:20.10 | madclicker | EmleyMoor: what if the manufacturer is telling me that alsa 1.0.8 has it built in where do i get the modules then? |
| 18:20.11 | doub | !start a shell war |
| 18:20.11 | jetdotnet | !lart useruser_ |
| 18:20.11 | dpkg | pdksh owns es |
| 18:20.11 | tarzeau | but bin/sh is usually a link to bash |
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| 18:20.12 | holo | jetdotnet, korn is the one from solaris, and is a flavour from sh |
| 18:20.12 | dabreegster | holo: bash substitutes for sh by default. I think there's a sh package that has the real sh |
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| 18:20.17 | dvs | madclicker: I have an onboard card and I see mine |
| 18:20.17 | useruser_ | doub: ok. would appending '&' to the end of the start-stop-daemon line(s) in /etc/init.d/exim4 do any harm? |
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| 18:20.20 | EmleyMoor | Consult the manufacturer |
| 18:20.24 | jetdotnet | i was kiddint |
| 18:20.30 | holo | dabreegster, that's the one i want |
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| 18:20.35 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.36 | FunnyLookinHat | is there a deb package that allows me to mount and read FAT32 and NTFS partitions on my box? |
| 18:20.36 | drac | tarzeau: check out this prompt for zsh, http://www.pastebin.com/275388 |
| 18:20.45 | jetdotnet | !ro-ntfs |
| 18:20.46 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
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| 18:20.52 | dabreegster | holo: doesnt seem to be called, sh. Hangon. |
| 18:20.53 | jetdotnet | !rw-vfat |
| 18:20.53 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 vfat rw,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0222,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 18:20.55 | doub | useruser_: that would be a bad idea. fix your dns resolution bug, for your whole system's good |
| 18:21.01 | tarzeau | drac: too expensive |
| 18:21.08 | madclicker | dvs: not as lucky as u r i guess :) |
| 18:21.09 | tarzeau | drac: mine's at www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ dotzshrc |
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| 18:21.12 | caphuso | drac: you don't need silly prints in your prompt |
| 18:21.22 | drac | :) |
| 18:21.56 | dabreegster | holo: I can't seem to find the actual sh package. I know it's there though. Google around. |
| 18:22.04 | EmleyMoor | FunnyLookinHat: Filesystem support is kernel-side... you can mount vfat and ntfs (but ntfs is read-only or, in a 2.6 kernel, restricted writing) |
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| 18:22.25 | doub | useruser_: basically, exim wants to find IPs of the referenced systems (forward gateway, for example). put it in your /etc/hosts (man hosts for details0 |
| 18:22.25 | jetdotnet | oh you need to load the modules also |
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| 18:22.51 | useruser_ | doub: well I think it's an intermittent problem with my isp. I just don't want my whole system to fail to boot/boot incredibly slowly |
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| 18:23.03 | akhthar | hi |
| 18:23.05 | useruser_ | doub: ah, ok |
| 18:23.06 | jetdotnet | doub: i get the hang when it's configured for local only |
| 18:23.50 | akhthar | I am getting the error message when I run mkinitrd to recompile the kernel - No module raid1 found for kernel 2.6.11.7-grsec |
| 18:23.56 | holo | doub carlos@bigfoot:~$ whatis dash |
| 18:23.57 | holo | dash (1) - command interpreter (shell) <- is this "the one"? |
| 18:24.06 | useruser_ | doub: so would the hosts in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf be enough? |
| 18:24.09 | akhthar | any idea how to fix it? |
| 18:24.11 | madclicker | EmleyMoor:doub:dvs: alsa 1.0.9 rc2 looks promissing |
| 18:24.16 | jetdotnet | mkinitrd doesn't recompile the kernel |
| 18:24.17 | doub | jetdotnet: useruser_: there's an option in the debconf for exim4 about dns updates |
| 18:24.23 | jetdotnet | ahh |
| 18:24.23 | dvs | madclicker: why so? |
| 18:24.30 | jetdotnet | !doub++ |
| 18:24.36 | doub | useruser_: i don't know exim |
| 18:24.45 | akhthar | I mean..after recompiling the kernel, I ran mkinitrd |
| 18:24.46 | madclicker | dvs: apparentley "added codec for Cmedia 9880" |
| 18:24.51 | jetdotnet | i didn't have that problem with exim, just exim4 |
| 18:24.52 | colde89 | wich package is to install for mountd (nfs) |
| 18:24.55 | doub | holo: yes |
| 18:24.56 | dvs | madclicker: That just might do it. |
| 18:24.57 | akhthar | but gor the above error message |
| 18:25.12 | jetdotnet | apt-cache search nfs |
| 18:25.24 | Alex-- | hi, I have a quick question under Debian, the /etc/network/interfaces, does the entry "iface eth1 inet dynamic" look right or dhcp is used instead of dynamic ?? |
| 18:25.25 | EmleyMoor | colde89: One of the nfs-server packages will either do that or depend on it |
| 18:25.28 | jetdotnet | there are 2 packages.. one kernel-space and the other (user space?) |
| 18:25.34 | jetdotnet | what he/she said |
| 18:25.56 | doub | Alex--: dhcp. man interfaces for details |
| 18:25.57 | useruser_ | doub: hm. I don't know debconf :) dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4 doesn't do anything at all |
| 18:26.11 | doub | useruser_: i think it's exim4-config |
| 18:26.11 | jetdotnet | it's exim-config you reconfigure iirc |
| 18:26.14 | jetdotnet | or that |
| 18:26.21 | Alex-- | doub: thx :P |
| 18:26.34 | FunnyLookinHat | If my desktop does not allow me to set a resolution greater than 800x600, should I be looking to update my graphics driver or just change my x settings? |
| 18:26.49 | jetdotnet | FunnyLookinHat: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 18:26.54 | colde89 | EmlyMoor: have a clien and cold not install any packages on him, course no cdrom ... will try over network but have just nfs-common and portmap and mount installed is this possible? |
| 18:26.56 | dvs | FunnyLookinHat: I'd look at my x setting first |
| 18:27.10 | Alex-- | FunnyLookinHat |
| 18:27.11 | holo | doub, cool! i wanted to verify if my syntax is conforming to posix, for example i had to use [[ ]] and it is a bash feature :\ |
| 18:27.22 | Alex-- | chec /etc/X11/XFConfig86 |
| 18:27.27 | EmleyMoor | You need one of the nfs server packages |
| 18:27.28 | jetdotnet | -4 |
| 18:27.29 | doub | holo: that's what dash is for |
| 18:27.39 | Alex-- | -4 sorry |
| 18:27.46 | Alex-- | XFConfig86-4 |
| 18:27.46 | jetdotnet | XF86Config-4 |
| 18:27.55 | akhthar | I can see the file raid1.ko exists there in /lib/modules/2.6.11.7-grsec/kernel/drivers/md/ but still I get errors. Any idea would be highly appreciated |
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| 18:28.03 | colde89 | EmeyMoor: on serverside nfs-server-packages are installed |
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| 18:28.12 | Alex-- | jetdotet got it right |
| 18:28.39 | useruser_ | doub: Keep number of DNS-queries minimal (Dial-on-Demand)? <-- I answered yes, but it's still "hung" at Restarting MTA: |
| 18:28.56 | doub | akhthar: is 2.6.11.7-grsec your running kernel ? uname -r to find out |
| 18:29.02 | akhthar | nope |
| 18:29.13 | akhthar | my running kernel is 2.4.29-grsec |
| 18:29.31 | doub | useruser_: install tethereal, and see what he's trying to resolve |
| 18:29.36 | jetdotnet | why do cats like computer hardware to sit on |
| 18:29.47 | doub | jetdotnet: because it's hot |
| 18:29.50 | onre | contrary to rumours, heat has nothing to do with it. |
| 18:29.52 | jetdotnet | maybe the warmth |
| 18:29.53 | akhthar | I am trying to recompile the kernel to 2.6.11.7-grsec and got the above error after running mkinitrd |
| 18:29.55 | onre | it's because it looks cool. |
| 18:29.56 | EmleyMoor | jetdotnet: I had one who used to sleep on the mouse mat |
| 18:29.56 | jetdotnet | ya |
| 18:30.14 | madclicker | anyone compiled alsa for debian? |
| 18:30.20 | doub | akhthar: then compile that module for your running kernel |
| 18:30.28 | jetdotnet | lol@madclicker |
| 18:30.38 | jetdotnet | madclicker: what kernel |
| 18:30.40 | dabreegster | madclicker: what kernel? |
| 18:30.51 | useruser_ | doub: righty ho |
| 18:30.51 | akhthar | is't there already and working |
| 18:30.52 | madclicker | 2.6 |
| 18:30.58 | dabreegster | madclicker: if you're on 2.6 or above, you've got em, just grab alsa-base and alsa-utils. if |
| 18:31.00 | dvs | madclicker: yup |
| 18:31.17 | Alex-- | another thing, how can I change the login screen under xdm ?? |
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| 18:31.22 | takatumi | madclicker: as you've been already told a few times, it's built-in, just load the appropriate module. |
| 18:31.23 | dvs | madclicker: At least I used to. |
| 18:31.23 | doub | useruser_: (or install postfix) |
| 18:31.24 | akhthar | insmod -n raid1 |
| 18:31.24 | akhthar | Using /lib/modules/2.4.29-grsec/kernel/drivers/md/raid1.o |
| 18:31.31 | jetdotnet | apt-get install gdm |
| 18:31.32 | madclicker | dvs: ol' buddy ol' pall what do i download? :) |
| 18:31.33 | dvs | takatumi: No, it isn't 9880? |
| 18:31.39 | dabreegster | jetdotnet: I've had experience with alsa. Ended up sticking with OSS :P |
| 18:32.00 | jetdotnet | me too |
| 18:32.04 | takatumi | dvs: and it's available how? |
| 18:32.04 | dvs | madclicker: I just downloaded the source, ./configure, then put the module in my /lib/modules directory |
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| 18:32.13 | Alex-- | jetdonet: well I went with xdm coz I had all kind of problems with gdm crashing on me right after login |
| 18:32.16 | jetdotnet | 2.6 alsa is in the kernel already |
| 18:32.21 | dvs | takatumi: release candidate for alsa libraries |
| 18:32.28 | takatumi | dvs: ok. |
| 18:32.38 | JLogik | how do you get a colorful boot like in knoppix??? |
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| 18:32.53 | dabreegster | JLogik: framebuffer bootsplash? Have fun. |
| 18:32.55 | doub | JLogik: by tweaking init scripts to include colors |
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| 18:33.02 | jetdotnet | JLogik: you parse their init scripts mentally, adapt and edit |
| 18:33.03 | akhthar | doub: any idea? |
| 18:33.06 | nydust | I am trying to install mamboserver with webinstall, but it says that mysql arent installed, but it is i have installed mysql-clien and server it has worked before... any tips? |
| 18:33.10 | jetdotnet | or what he said |
| 18:33.23 | dabreegster | JLogik: it's more trouble than its worth. Oh, you meant just ANSI colors? edit the scripts to echo escape sequences. |
| 18:33.24 | jetdotnet | Alex--: ah... no idea then. |
| 18:33.26 | madclicker | dvs: they have a dosen directories , where do i download the source? |
| 18:33.35 | doub | akhthar: have you installed modulue-init-tools? |
| 18:33.40 | akhthar | yup |
| 18:33.47 | takatumi | JLogik: it ain't worth in dude, how many times are you going to boot? |
| 18:33.48 | doub | akhthar: module-init-tools sorry |
| 18:34.01 | Alex-- | any1 knows where to change the login screen under xdm to something a little more decent ?? |
| 18:34.01 | dvs | madclicker: Right off the home page (to the right in the green area) |
| 18:34.09 | JLogik | its a lappy |
| 18:34.22 | dabreegster | JLogik: you should concentrate on getting the console itself to look nice. It's what you'll be using all the time. I can help you there, just msg me. |
| 18:34.23 | akhthar | yeah, I have installed it and the module installation was fine |
| 18:34.26 | doub | akhthar: i don't know much about mkinitrd. maybe try stracing the process, but that seems tricky |
| 18:34.27 | lindley | anyone know of a good source of information on how init scripts / run level / and the likes function - detailed? |
| 18:34.41 | dabreegster | JLogik: the boot process is only fun to watch if you're looking for an error |
| 18:35.05 | Alex-- | jetdonet: ya, thinking more of a setting where u can change it |
| 18:35.18 | madclicker | dvs: drivers, library, lib-plugins? |
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| 18:35.42 | dvs | madclicker: drivers only. |
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| 18:35.52 | doub | Alex--: look in the config files for xdm (dpkg -s xdm to find), see the docs. there's a shell script somewhere in /etc/X11/xdm to set all this |
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| 18:35.55 | madclicker | dvs: roger , thx |
| 18:36.01 | akhthar | doub: is it searching directory other than /lib/module/kernelversion for modules |
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| 18:36.19 | doub | akhthar: i don't think so |
| 18:36.33 | takatumi | dvs: aren't those available even in the newer kernels? |
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| 18:36.38 | Alex-- | doub: thanks, I will try that |
| 18:36.45 | akhthar | I don know why it's giivng the error eventhough the file raid1.ko exists there in /lib/modules/2.6.11.7-grsec/kernel/drivers/md/ |
| 18:37.10 | goldfinger | hi: I have a "stupid" problem trying to install debian sarge on a sgi octane |
| 18:37.11 | jetdotnet | maybe it's not in /etc/modules.conf? (no idea) |
| 18:37.11 | doub | akhthar: maybe about unresolved symbols |
| 18:37.20 | jetdotnet | and i didn't mean /etc/modules |
| 18:37.30 | dvs | takatumi: I'm not sure what version of the ALSA drivers the kernel has right now. I'll have to see. |
| 18:37.32 | JLogik | yea but it will look better than grey booooooring |
| 18:37.38 | doub | akhthar: try depmoding on the 2.6 tree (man depmod) |
| 18:37.41 | takatumi | dvs: don't bother. |
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| 18:38.02 | dvs | takatumi: OK |
| 18:38.10 | akhthar | As I said earlier, I got no errors while doing make or make install |
| 18:38.11 | useruser_ | doub: ok. it was trying to resolve myhostname.$domain where $domain ranged over the domain is my search line in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:38.12 | goldfinger | I have installed the base system, when I start the machine the base-config start, but I can't exit |
| 18:38.15 | akhthar | It was all fine |
| 18:38.17 | goldfinger | any idea ? |
| 18:38.19 | useruser_ | doub: odd that this hasn't bitten me before... |
| 18:38.36 | akhthar | I have software raid1 installed and it's making the problem |
| 18:38.37 | LordBrain | IS there any canonical way to convert a size A4 ps file to US Letter? |
| 18:38.58 | goldfinger | (if I try to exit it restart) |
| 18:39.04 | LordBrain | seems like this must be a common task |
| 18:39.05 | doub | goldfinger: you have to go through it |
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| 18:39.11 | Rawplayer | !newbie howto |
| 18:39.14 | Rawplayer | !howto |
| 18:39.14 | dpkg | i heard howto is at http://tldp.org/docs.html#howto, or in package doc-linux-text, files end up in /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/ (as .gz files, use 'zless filename.gz' to read them). This is where you _learn_ stuff, or http://howto.tucows.com/ Also http://www.linuxdoc.com/ |
| 18:39.25 | zinx | LordBrain: attach a few inches to the bottom, and cut a few inches off the side, of the US letter :P~ |
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| 18:39.29 | Rawplayer | is there also some beginners howto? |
| 18:39.33 | useruser_ | doub: AH! I know why. Some of the domain in my search line have their dns servers offline today. |
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| 18:40.06 | zinx | LordBrain: there may be programs that try to scale postscript; you could scale so it fit in height, and center it on the page |
| 18:40.08 | LordBrain | hahaha zinx, except its not that much difference, neither a whole inch difference in width or hieght. |
| 18:40.17 | goldfinger | doub, yep, but when I finish, it restart |
| 18:40.19 | zinx | LordBrain: nah, it's pretty different on height |
| 18:40.31 | takatumi | goldfinger: which iso? |
| 18:40.34 | useruser_ | doub: thanks for the help |
| 18:40.41 | doub | goldfinger: does it at some time say "welcome to debian" or the like? |
| 18:40.42 | Alex-- | anyone knows how to use the split command to split a console screen in 2 and use both together ? |
| 18:40.43 | doub | useruser_: np |
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| 18:41.13 | goldfinger | takatumi,it is the last sarge (upgraded two minutes ago) |
| 18:41.29 | rking | Alex--: ^AS to split |
| 18:41.41 | LordBrain | according to the web, zinx, A4 = 8.26 x 11.69 inches .. Letter = 8.5 x 11 |
| 18:41.42 | jonathh1 | hey does anyone know how to delete a logical volume in an LVM when the physical drive is no lonnger present? maybe on its UUID? |
| 18:41.58 | Alex-- | ^AS is what ?? |
| 18:42.14 | takatumi | goldfinger: so is it an upgrade or an install? |
| 18:42.26 | Delph | ^a? first then, Alex-- |
| 18:42.44 | rking | Alex--: "^" means "Control", so "Ctrl+A, S" to split |
| 18:42.48 | doub | jonathh1: my first bet is that it's impossible. but see LVM howto |
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| 18:43.19 | Morrowyn | hello |
| 18:43.26 | rking | then ^A<Tab> to switch to the other region. hey, i've never done this before, it's pretty neat |
| 18:43.29 | Morrowyn | im wondering where i can find the grub config |
| 18:43.32 | goldfinger | takatumi, is not simple to install a system != irix on this machines... so I have installed through net install, and after upgraded |
| 18:43.34 | Xenguy | rking: which app is that BTW? (just arrived) |
| 18:43.35 | Alex-- | rking, oh ok , is there a man page on how to work with the split thing ? |
| 18:43.37 | nydust | what is the name on the apache2 lib that gives me mysql support? |
| 18:43.38 | Morrowyn | i want to set another default in it |
| 18:44.10 | takatumi | goldfinger: probably try the debian-boot mailing list, check bts etc. |
| 18:44.23 | rking | Xenguy: "screen(1)". if you use the command-line with even one drop of power, this will multiply your strength |
| 18:44.28 | Delph | Alex--: well, man screen, or ^A? to look at the online help. |
| 18:44.37 | tarzeau | takatumi! |
| 18:44.37 | goldfinger | takatumi, ok, thanks |
| 18:44.41 | takatumi | goldfinger: does alt-F2 give you shell? |
| 18:44.47 | takatumi | tarzeau: how are you? |
| 18:44.50 | Alex-- | Delph: thx I will try both |
| 18:44.51 | rking | Alex--: lik Delphi sez, ^A? will show you the bindings as they stand, and "man screen" will show you the rest |
| 18:44.53 | tarzeau | takatumi: fine, thanks. |
| 18:45.01 | Xenguy | rking: Tx, I already use screen, but I've never done any 'split screen' with it |
| 18:45.13 | tarzeau | screen is great, unless if you play minicom or nethack (not that you can't play them, it's just more annoying) |
| 18:45.13 | goldfinger | takatumi, yes |
| 18:45.14 | Alex-- | rking: cool, thx |
| 18:45.20 | Delph | rking: i am not a programming language. |
| 18:45.20 | madclicker | where does /lib/modules/2.6.x/source should point to? |
| 18:45.35 | takatumi | goldfinger: that should be a start. |
| 18:45.38 | rking | Xenguy: yeah, me either - i do think i'm going to play with it like this for a while |
| 18:45.38 | Dabian | takatumi: OK. |
| 18:45.47 | rking | Dolph: sorry. |
| 18:45.53 | takatumi | Dabian: meh? |
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| 18:46.19 | tarzeau | takatumi: http://windbird.pe.kr/fo_cheserasera.htm |
| 18:46.39 | tarzeau | takatumi: i'm watching star wars episode 2 |
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| 18:47.49 | takatumi | tarzeau: the poem was nice, I ain't a big star wars fan though. |
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| 18:48.15 | Henryk | tarzeau: hehe, me too |
| 18:48.19 | tarzeau | takatumi: it's a song, you don't know the melody? |
| 18:48.28 | tarzeau | takatumi: aww you have to find some mp3/ogg of it |
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| 18:48.42 | tarzeau | Henryk: pro7? |
| 18:48.48 | Henryk | yes |
| 18:48.58 | takatumi | tarzeau: I think I have the DVD, lazy. |
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| 18:49.23 | tarzeau | takatumi: and you like nana mouskouri, too? |
| 18:49.28 | tarzeau | takatumi: she's got sexy glasses |
| 18:49.37 | Alex-- | hmm my mozilla is all in all in german, I dont understand anything... |
| 18:50.07 | a_monkey | would america's army be a playable game for a system that gets about 900fps on glxgears? |
| 18:50.13 | tarzeau | Alex--: who do i think configured it to be german? |
| 18:50.17 | Dashiva | a_monkey, no |
| 18:50.19 | tarzeau | s/i/you/ |
| 18:50.24 | a_monkey | Dashiva: awww... |
| 18:50.33 | tarzeau | Henryk: using xawtv ? |
| 18:50.40 | rking | Alex--: odd. think you can find "Edit, Preferences, General, Languages"? |
| 18:50.41 | valdyn | a_monkey: probably, if you have a radeon card |
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| 18:50.44 | Alex-- | tarzeau: it just changed to german by itself |
| 18:50.45 | madclicker | is there a network config utitlty simular to alsaconf for sound? |
| 18:50.52 | tarzeau | Alex--: yeah sure |
| 18:50.53 | a_monkey | valdyn: i do |
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| 18:51.00 | tarzeau | Alex--: and it also grabbed your tits, right? |
| 18:51.05 | Henryk | tarzeau: no, I think my tv is made by Schaub |
| 18:51.09 | takatumi | tarzeau: http://www.modempool.com/yhuff/nana.htm this one? probably 10yrs too old. :P |
| 18:51.13 | Alex-- | and at some point, my whole console messages were all in German, I had to change local env settings for that |
| 18:51.15 | tarzeau | Alex--: i'm not in the age to believe fairy tales anymore |
| 18:51.59 | Alex-- | well am using Knoppix, and the guy who did it is German, but I dont knw where the german suddenly came from |
| 18:52.11 | tarzeau | Alex--: well #knoppix |
| 18:52.18 | tarzeau | Alex--: if you want it all english, livecd.gnustep.org |
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| 18:52.42 | Henryk | if i recall correctly you had a choice of german vs. english when downloading knoppix |
| 18:52.43 | takatumi | tarzeau: shameless plug. :) |
| 18:52.49 | tarzeau | takatumi: heh ;) |
| 18:52.57 | Alex-- | its actually all in english |
| 18:53.03 | tarzeau | Henryk: what a waste of bandwith |
| 18:53.08 | Alex-- | but the settings changed randomely for some reason |
| 18:53.10 | tarzeau | Alex--: wait, what webpage? |
| 18:53.17 | tarzeau | Alex--: or the interface? |
| 18:53.17 | takatumi | !d-i Alex-- |
| 18:53.18 | dpkg | Alex--, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:53.40 | Henryk | ok, got to concentrate on the tv now |
| 18:53.43 | Alex-- | it was the interface AND console message |
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| 18:53.54 | Alex-- | like u do apt-get update and u get feedback in german |
| 18:53.54 | tarzeau | Henryk: close the irssi window that is in a screen |
| 18:53.56 | colde89 | i get: mount: RPC: Programm not registerd when i try to mount with nfs, what cold be wrong? |
| 18:54.04 | Alex-- | which is funly coz everything was in english |
| 18:54.21 | tzafrir_laptop | Alex--, LANG=C apt-get update |
| 18:54.28 | tarzeau | Henryk: what happened to anekins mom? |
| 18:54.31 | Alex-- | ya did that already |
| 18:54.33 | tzafrir_laptop | Alex--, vi /etc/environment |
| 18:54.47 | tzafrir_laptop | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:54.49 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:54.49 | tarzeau | Henryk: obiwan is stupid, i would have picked his mom |
| 18:54.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:54.59 | Henryk | tarzeau: don't remember. Just know she stayed on the planet |
| 18:55.06 | Alex-- | its fixed now, I was just sharing the experience |
| 18:55.20 | Henryk | both of them were slaves IIRC and only anakin was bought free, or something like that |
| 18:55.21 | takatumi | right. |
| 18:55.29 | tarzeau | Henryk: yes |
| 18:56.38 | abrotman | i would have raped the robots .. and cooked the child |
| 18:57.08 | takatumi | abrotman: duh! get the robot to cook the child. |
| 18:57.10 | a_monkey | am i using opengl if i'm using xfree's "radeon" driver? |
| 18:57.18 | tarzeau | takatumi: heh |
| 18:57.25 | abrotman | takatumi: then use the robots hands as utensils ? |
| 18:57.33 | takatumi | abrotman: chopsticks |
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| 18:57.48 | doub | colde89: maybe portmap's not running (/etc/init.d/portmap restart) |
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| 18:58.01 | atrus | i've got helix-player installed, but it won't even play realplayer streams. I'm getting an error: "The player does not have the capabilities to play back this content. This content is supported by RealPlayer. The following components are required: audio/x-pn-realaudio". Is there something I'm missing here? Is helix-player supposed to play this stuff? |
| 18:58.03 | Alex-- | hmm am still having the whole mozilla browser in German ... |
| 18:58.11 | abrotman | atrus: read the FAQ |
| 18:58.12 | tarzeau | Alex--: nobody cares, you don't have debian |
| 18:58.14 | takatumi | Alex--: /topic |
| 18:58.16 | abrotman | !helix-player |
| 18:58.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, helix player is the Helix Community's GTK2-based open source media player that can read Real formats, in Sid and Sarge. apt-get install helix-player or https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/ |
| 18:58.17 | tarzeau | Alex--: YOU HAVE KNOPPIX!!!! |
| 18:58.30 | Alex-- | which is DEBIAN !!! |
| 18:58.34 | tarzeau | Alex--: NO FUCKING NOT! |
| 18:58.38 | Alex-- | its BASED ON DEBIAN for god sake |
| 18:58.41 | takatumi | !fist Alex-- |
| 18:58.45 | tarzeau | Alex--: KNOPPIX IS FUCKING DAMEND NOT NOT NOT DEBIAN DEBIAN! |
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| 18:58.54 | abrotman | Alex--: doesn't matter . .it's not debian |
| 18:58.55 | tarzeau | Alex--: it's NOT A PROBLEM OF DEBIAN |
| 18:58.55 | atrus | abrotman: what faq? |
| 18:58.59 | tarzeau | it's clearly PEBKAC |
| 18:59.07 | tarzeau | you read the damend documentation! |
| 18:59.07 | streuner | tarzeau: calm down |
| 18:59.14 | tarzeau | streuner: this is an idiot |
| 18:59.16 | abrotman | atrus: at the helix-player website .. see what dpkg said abobe |
| 18:59.18 | abrotman | err above |
| 18:59.19 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: use /ignore... |
| 18:59.39 | tarzeau | 21:57 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from Alex--: mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 18:59.46 | tarzeau | and one from the dark side, too |
| 18:59.52 | rking | ain't no shame in using windows to bootstrap a linux install |
| 19:00.10 | dondelelcaro | rking: there's really no point to using windows at all, frankly. |
| 19:00.22 | atrus | abrotman: <reads>. well that's pretty bass-ackwards. yay real! :/ |
| 19:00.34 | Alex-- | IT IS DEBIAN ! u start the pc, u get a DEBIAN screen, the login screen is DEBIAN, all the packages and commands are debian basedas far as am concerned, its a Debian system |
| 19:00.39 | abrotman | atrus: yeah .. i didn't make it. I just know it exists |
| 19:00.41 | tarzeau | !u |
| 19:00.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:00.43 | abrotman | !tell Alex-- about u |
| 19:00.48 | Alex-- | sorry to offend anyone |
| 19:00.56 | tarzeau | Alex--: why are you not listening to the people here? |
| 19:01.00 | rking | dondelelc: so if you had 2 pc's, one with a working, networking windows install, and one with a busted linux install, your first step to solving all problems would be to fdisk C:? |
| 19:01.05 | dondelelcaro | Alex--: please don't argue with us about this. If you have questions about knoppix, ask in #knoppix, otherwise you will be devoiced. |
| 19:01.05 | tarzeau | Alex--: you will only fall on your nose, and break it |
| 19:01.23 | dondelelcaro | rking: uh, no, my first step would be to fix the linux install. |
| 19:01.41 | dondelelcaro | rking: my second step would be to install linux on the windows machine. |
| 19:01.52 | rking | dondelelc: right - that's all i was saying. exactly that's what i'd do, too. |
| 19:01.53 | tarzeau | Alex--: it's a cheap fake copy of debian |
| 19:01.53 | Alex-- | ait u have a point, and its not your problem that #knoppix have 0 feedback response guys |
| 19:01.58 | tarzeau | Alex--: it's not an original debian |
| 19:02.06 | Alex-- | am not here to argue, juststating facts |
| 19:02.09 | tarzeau | Alex--: only the original debian has the original super cow powers and the superb quality |
| 19:02.10 | abrotman | !tell Alex-- about u |
| 19:02.17 | rking | Alex--: did you try going to preferences->general->languages? |
| 19:02.20 | dondelelcaro | Alex--: that's fine. If you want our help, use Debian, not knoppix. We can't support it. |
| 19:02.23 | mikeX | holy cow batman |
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| 19:02.27 | tarzeau | Alex--: it's not our problem that those in #knoppix can't help you |
| 19:02.38 | dondelelcaro | rking: uh, I think you misunderstood me. I didn't say that I would *use* the windows machine |
| 19:02.42 | tarzeau | Alex--: please go away or use original superb debian deluxe products |
| 19:02.49 | Alex-- | tarzeau thats what I was saying, its not your problem |
| 19:02.58 | abrotman | !d-i Alex-- |
| 19:02.59 | dpkg | Alex--, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:03.03 | onre | anyone running maypole on debian? |
| 19:03.04 | tarzeau | Alex--: true |
| 19:03.11 | rking | dondelelc: even if you encountered a problem that could be simply answered by mIRC'ing to here for a few minutes? |
| 19:03.13 | tarzeau | onre: url? |
| 19:03.16 | CyL_away | is GeForce considered to be a 3dfx or later graphic card to kernel Direct Rendering Manager configuration? |
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| 19:03.30 | Zomb | hi |
| 19:03.33 | Zomb | anyone using cfengine? |
| 19:03.36 | onre | tarzeau, http://maypole.perl.org/, perl web app framework |
| 19:03.36 | takatumi | rking: there would be no mIRC nearby in the first place. |
| 19:03.38 | resiak | CyL_away: No, it's considered an nvidia (use the nv driver) |
| 19:03.44 | doub | !anyone |
| 19:03.44 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 19:03.50 | dondelelcaro | rking: uh, there isn't a problem like that that I would ever actually encounter that couldn't be fixed with a few minutes with apropos or the source code. |
| 19:03.51 | tarzeau | Zomb: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 19:04.00 | furrywolf | argh! what is it with the * == debian people? were they all dropped on their heads too many times? that's like when hollywood makes a movie out of a book, and does a horrible job, do you complain to the original book author about it? |
| 19:04.15 | atrus | ot: out of curiosity, why do people get so offended by people asking about debian-derivatives here? to me it would seem enough to point them at the right place for their answers and ignore any further questions they're not interested in asking? |
| 19:04.16 | Alex-- | rking: trying to get there :P |
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| 19:04.32 | rking | furrywolf: nice analogy |
| 19:04.46 | rking | atrus: nice point |
| 19:04.46 | furrywolf | rking: thanks. :) |
| 19:04.48 | dondelelcaro | atrus: that depends on the person. Frankly, I recommend using /ignore if you can handle the person, rather than yelling at anyone. |
| 19:04.58 | Alex-- | atrus: tell me about it |
| 19:04.59 | Zomb | tarzeau: fuck that, I know this is a meta question but the real question is very specific |
| 19:05.01 | abrotman | atrus: because those other distros may alter it in minor ways which could drastically change the way it works .. it's not debian |
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| 19:05.16 | abrotman | atrus: get it ? |
| 19:05.27 | tarzeau | Zomb: ask the specific question, either you got help (if you're lucky someone can) or you won't |
| 19:05.37 | onre | many times the debian way of making something can be totally inappropriate for $debian_spinoff |
| 19:05.42 | Zomb | fine. What is the way to use cfengine over ssh? |
| 19:05.42 | atrus | Alex--: don't take this as support for your position either :) once people made it clear they were'nt interested in helping you, arguing with them just makes it worse. |
| 19:05.42 | tarzeau | Zomb: but asking unspecific questions will only make people mad here |
| 19:05.45 | onre | s/making/doing/ |
| 19:05.45 | Rawplayer | !webmin |
| 19:05.46 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 19:05.52 | doub | atrus: because apparently #debian is the only supportive channel around here, as they keep stuck here when told to go to the proper place |
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| 19:06.17 | Zomb | tarzeau: please, don't teach me. I have #debian.de regular for many years now. |
| 19:06.19 | CyL_away | is GeForce considered to be a 3dfx or later graphic card to kernel Direct Rendering Manager configuration? |
| 19:06.24 | Alex-- | atrus: exactly, and thats why I appreciate any help from this channel. |
| 19:06.27 | Zomb | s,ave,ave been, |
| 19:06.29 | abrotman | why couldn't klaus knopper have chosen gentoo :) |
| 19:06.39 | Zomb | abrotman: because he does not have much spare time |
| 19:06.47 | abrotman | Zomb: uhm |
| 19:06.52 | atrus | abrotman: they may. but where do you draw that line? are you allowed to talk about 3rd party apt sources under debian, since they're not debian? what about experimental, unstable, testing, or non-free? they're not really part of debian, so they shouldn't get any support? |
| 19:06.58 | Zomb | abrotman: so he asked me for for a hint, already looking at Debian |
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| 19:07.08 | tarzeau | Zomb: if you do, it even suprises me more that you asked the wrong way |
| 19:07.09 | resiak | CyL_away: No, it's an nvidia (use the nv driver) |
| 19:07.23 | resiak | CyL_away: I told you about a minute ago: 20:03 < resiak> CyL_away: No, it's considered an nvidia (use the nv driver) |
| 19:07.41 | resiak | CyL_away: I suck, sorry, ingore me. |
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| 19:07.52 | abrotman | atrus: we get a lot of ubuntu/knoppix/etc people here .. some days .. you find a person that will help . general position is to not help and send to the right channel .. experimental/unstable/testing/non-free are part of debian |
| 19:08.02 | procrastinator | Ok, i installed kernel-image-2.6.8, it boots after five minutes or so, and afterwards it's practically unusable because of the slowness |
| 19:08.22 | CyL_away | resiak<=- is there suack a driver in the kernel config, or I should use the one provided by nvidia? |
| 19:08.24 | dondelelcaro | procrastinator: slowness in what way? |
| 19:08.28 | abrotman | procrastinator: i think it's because you waited so long to upgrade |
| 19:08.33 | dabreegster | procrastinator: use top to find the process eating up CPU/memory |
| 19:08.35 | rking | procrasti: that's weird... what about "top"? |
| 19:08.37 | CyL_away | s/suack/such |
| 19:08.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: not so contrib? why non-free? |
| 19:08.52 | abrotman | atrus: it largely depends on the people that are in here on that day |
| 19:08.54 | resiak | CyL_away: For 3D acceleration, you should use nvidia's minary driver. /msg dpkg nvidia howto. |
| 19:08.56 | Alex-- | well the main reason of using knoppix is the heavy support it has for clustering |
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| 19:09.01 | Alex-- | thats all. |
| 19:09.03 | dabreegster | actually, htop is a much nicer top. Shows more, better interface. |
| 19:09.12 | atrus | abrotman: yeah, i understand pointing them at the right place (provided there are actually people to support them there. never really used much ubuntu/knoppix support here). i guess i'm just trying to figure out where the animosity-laden yelling matches come from. |
| 19:09.12 | dondelelcaro | Alex--: that's great. knoppix is totally OT here. |
| 19:09.13 | CyL_away | resiak<=- thanks a lot buddy... |
| 19:09.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: they are in debian .. we have people recommend acroread etc |
| 19:09.16 | tarzeau | Alex--: are you saying debian doesn't have the heavy support for clustering? |
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| 19:09.36 | abrotman | atrus: because it happens roughly every 10-15 minutes for 24 hours a day .. 7 days a week |
| 19:09.46 | procrastinator | dondelelcaro: Slow, as in everything you do happens two minutes afterwards |
| 19:09.56 | abrotman | procrastinator: is it a 486 ? |
| 19:10.01 | procrastinator | abrotman: That's helpful |
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| 19:10.05 | Alex-- | tarzeau: no, but stating that knoppix was made to run right from a CD, which makes it more compatible for clustering :) |
| 19:10.06 | doub | procrastinator: maybe you have a hardware problem |
| 19:10.09 | abrotman | procrastinator: what is? |
| 19:10.17 | dabreegster | procrastinator: what's top say? |
| 19:10.25 | dondelelcaro | procrastinator: like what? input? forking? |
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| 19:10.33 | procrastinator | abrotman: No, though im running it through vmware on win98 |
| 19:10.38 | procrastinator | (joke) |
| 19:10.42 | abrotman | procrastinator: i was being serious .. i have a 486 running 2.6 .. stuff takes a while :) |
| 19:10.47 | dondelelcaro | procrastinator: are you using the kernel that is appropriate for your hardware? |
| 19:10.53 | atrus | abrotman: i'd say having a thick-skin for that sort of stuff is sort of a pre-requisite for opening yourself to support questions from strangers and newbies on the internet :) <glares at mwilson, wherever he is ;)> |
| 19:10.58 | jcb | i have made a backup of one of my dvd movies with dvdbackup, and now im trying to make an iso image of the VIDEO_TS contents with 'mkisofs -dvd-video -o backup.iso /the/movie/to/backup/'. when its done i mount the iso image, and filenames are changed to lower case. maybe someone can see what im doing wrong in this process? |
| 19:11.10 | procrastinator | i686 on Athlon Barton 2500+ |
| 19:11.15 | procrastinator | i tried k7 |
| 19:11.19 | abrotman | atrus: oh .. perhaps .. i bring a battle suit every day :) |
| 19:11.19 | Alex-- | but anywayz, I WONT ask any knopix related questions :) |
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| 19:11.30 | Alex-- | sorry for the inconvenience to everyone |
| 19:11.43 | abrotman | atrus: it just happens a lot .. it wears on you .. and it says in the topic to use the correct channel |
| 19:11.44 | procrastinator | about top: I'm waiting to log in atm |
| 19:11.55 | abrotman | procrastinator: irq issues? |
| 19:11.58 | valdyn | jcb: nothing i suspect. does iso9660 even support caps? |
| 19:12.08 | zirikili | I need some help. I've just installed debian with x-window-system but know I discover that the /dev/psaux does not exist. what is wrong? |
| 19:12.11 | dabreegster | procrastinator: have any weird hardware connected? any suspicious boot messages? |
| 19:12.18 | airco | outrageously offtopic question: does anyone here have access to CS paper portals such as IEEEExplore or the ACM portal? |
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| 19:12.22 | procrastinator | i get something about "hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x64" |
| 19:12.25 | abrotman | airco: again ? |
| 19:12.25 | jcb | valdyn: it doesnt seem like it |
| 19:12.34 | airco | abrotman: same one :-) |
| 19:12.35 | tarzeau | zirikili: it exists here: crw------- 1 root root 10, 1 Mar 14 2002 /dev/psaux |
| 19:12.38 | dabreegster | procrastinator: that's probably it, dunno how to fix it though |
| 19:12.40 | procrastinator | both at boot and in terminal |
| 19:12.48 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
| 19:12.49 | airco | abrotman: just guessing it would be a different crowd today |
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| 19:12.54 | abrotman | procrastinator: do you have hdparm doing stuff ? |
| 19:12.56 | doub | procrastinator: either you have a hard drive problem or you should disable DMA for your ide controller |
| 19:12.58 | abrotman | airco: did you try asking #c ? |
| 19:13.00 | dondelelcaro | airco: what are you looking for? |
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| 19:13.01 | zirikili | tarzeau: no. there isn't. |
| 19:13.04 | abrotman | though .. they might kill you |
| 19:13.21 | tarzeau | zirikili: well, you can create one? |
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| 19:13.29 | procrastinator | Howto? |
| 19:13.30 | Alex-- | is /etc/environment for the whole system ? |
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| 19:13.34 | dondelelcaro | airco: you realize, right, that you can go to your local university and get access to most technical journals. |
| 19:13.35 | airco | abrotman: #c ? |
| 19:13.36 | valdyn | jcb: well , try to play the dvd / dvd-image ( losetup /dev/loop0 movie.iso ; mplayer -dvd-device /dev/loop0 dvd:// ) |
| 19:13.37 | zirikili | tarzeau: how may I do that? |
| 19:13.44 | abrotman | Alex--: we all know you're running knoppix .. why are you bothering ? |
| 19:13.51 | Zomb | Alex--: it is for things that interpret it |
| 19:13.51 | tarzeau | zirikili: using MAKEDEV probably |
| 19:13.56 | abrotman | airco: you know .. #c .. like c/c++ ? |
| 19:13.56 | Zomb | Alex--: for example the login shells |
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| 19:14.06 | Alex-- | Zomb: oh ok |
| 19:14.09 | guille | hi |
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| 19:14.11 | tarzeau | zirikili: man MAKEDEV |
| 19:14.14 | Alex-- | abrotman: be nice :) |
| 19:14.14 | madclicker | does anyone know where could i get alsa-1.0.9 packages? |
| 19:14.16 | zirikili | tarzeau: thank you |
| 19:14.17 | racoontje | Hiya |
| 19:14.20 | procrastinator | doub and abrotman: Can you help me practically? |
| 19:14.21 | airco | dondelcaro: well, i'm at uni, i did ask, and they don't have a copy, and my assistant hasn't a clue of how to get logged in to acm or ieeeexplore either... |
| 19:14.40 | airco | dondelcaro: and btw, what i'm looking for is a 1994 paper by jeff kramer called "exoskeletal software" |
| 19:14.41 | valdyn | jcb: actually, setting up the loopback device is including in mount -o loop, so you can skip that |
| 19:14.50 | dondelelcaro | airco: uh, you need to give me the full citation |
| 19:14.54 | abrotman | Alex--: i was .. we still know you're running gentoo |
| 19:14.56 | airco | abrotman: asking it there as we speak, thanx for the pointer :) |
| 19:14.56 | abrotman | err knoppix |
| 19:14.59 | atrus | abrotman: i guess i'm coming more from an advocacy point of view. it gets hard to make the point that linux (or any free software) has an effective support infrastructure when you see newbies (even clueless newbies, as 99% of regular users are) get chased out of the channel with torches and pitchforks :) |
| 19:14.59 | crashbg | Why i can't play mp3s over http in xmms? |
| 19:15.18 | abrotman | atrus: yes .. but asking in the wrong place doesn't help the support does it ? |
| 19:15.19 | dondelelcaro | airco: journal, volume, number and page... |
| 19:15.20 | tarzeau | Henryk: what advertising did you just get? something about "MIGROS"? |
| 19:15.51 | doub | atrus: who did say FS has an effective support infrastructure ? |
| 19:15.53 | valdyn | madclicker: nowhere? its not released yet? |
| 19:15.53 | atrus | abrotman: if somebody here answers the question, or can point them in the right direction, sure. |
| 19:16.00 | Henryk | tarzeau: hmm, don't know. The moment the advertising begins I switch the volume off and do different things |
| 19:16.15 | zlate | I installed a new debian system with the Sarge d-i rc3 and in the installation i choosed "desktopenvironment", now i only want Gnome and i want to remove all Kde stuff? how? |
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| 19:16.23 | tarzeau | zlate: hahaha |
| 19:16.23 | atrus | doublehp: sorry, that's my inner idealist coming out :) |
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| 19:16.29 | airco | donelelcaro: Proceedings of the 16th international conference on Software engineering, 1994, pg 366 |
| 19:16.32 | tarzeau | zlate: it's really pissing, this tasksel entry |
| 19:16.34 | doub | atrus: besides, Free Software is often free as in beer, so don't expect volontaries to be working for you |
| 19:16.39 | procrastinator | Ok, here goes: Can anyone help me turn off DMA or solve my hard disk problem?= |
| 19:16.41 | tarzeau | zlate: usually people only select it once in their life |
| 19:16.44 | abrotman | atrus: which when we point knoppix users to #knoppix .. we get yelled at . like Alex-- just did |
| 19:16.47 | atrus | doublehp: er, sorry, "sorry, that's my inner idealist coming out :)" |
| 19:16.47 | valdyn | !tell zlate about remove kde |
| 19:16.55 | atrus | grr. stupid xchat nick completion. |
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| 19:16.56 | crashbg | procrastinator, install hdparm |
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| 19:17.18 | zlate | tarzeau: oh |
| 19:17.18 | procrastinator | crashbg: Affirmative! |
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| 19:17.29 | tarzeau | zlate: you know what's hilarious? |
| 19:17.32 | jcb | valdyn: wikipedia says dvd-video is using udf filesystem. do u know how i can make a iso image with udf filesystem... i cant see mkisofs can do it from reading the man |
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| 19:17.36 | seldon | zlate: I think you want debfoster. |
| 19:17.37 | tarzeau | zlate: they don't even check if there's enough free space |
| 19:17.41 | tarzeau | zlate: that REALLY sucks |
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| 19:18.12 | zirikili | tarzeau: when I run MAKEDEV psaux it says "don't know how to create device" |
| 19:18.15 | zlate | tarzeau: yes, i trying to free some space right now :) |
| 19:18.23 | crashbg | procrastinator, then in /etc/hdparm.conf add /dev/hda { dma = off } |
| 19:18.26 | mikeX | jcb, you can try k3b |
| 19:18.26 | tarzeau | zirikili: guess why i pasted you my major/minor device numbers? |
| 19:18.29 | zlate | seldon: debfoster? |
| 19:18.33 | tarzeau | zirikili: you didn't read man MAKEDEV |
| 19:18.41 | seldon | debfoster keeps a list of packages you want on your system |
| 19:18.45 | tarzeau | zlate: you better start over without that evil option enabled |
| 19:18.45 | mikeX | jcb, it's a frontend to mkisofs, dvd+rw-tools, cdrecord, transcode etc etc |
| 19:18.56 | zirikili | I did...can you paste it again? |
| 19:18.58 | valdyn | jcb: -dvd-video does crate a dvd video CD in the first place, isnt that enough? |
| 19:19.03 | tarzeau | zlate: and write a nice mail how fucking stupid this tasksel entry is, and begging for it to be removed |
| 19:19.26 | seldon | Then you can use it to purge the unneeded ones from your system |
| 19:19.34 | seldon | meaning those none of the packages you want depend on |
| 19:19.41 | atrus | abrotman: if the user came in her and started yelling at us or trolling us without asking a question, we'd ignore them, right? i don't see why it should be different after a question. i try to put myself in the shoes of, say, an AOL support-monkey. they've gotta get yelled at *alot* and maintain a downright silly level of professionalism. some people here don't seem to maintain a basic politeness level. |
| 19:19.46 | jcb | valdyn: -dvd-video only truncate to make it more compatible |
| 19:19.51 | dondelelcaro | airco: well, I've got it... but it really is a totally pointless paper |
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| 19:20.11 | zlate | tarzeau: no reinstall please, im gonna try remove as much unneeded stuff |
| 19:20.17 | valdyn | jcb: playing back those in a dvd player works fine for me, did you try? |
| 19:20.26 | airco | damn |
| 19:20.31 | doub | atrus: profesionalism often means hypocrisy |
| 19:20.32 | airco | the references to it sounded promising |
| 19:20.36 | tarzeau | zlate: hehe, i really can feel what your situation is now |
| 19:20.37 | airco | could you dcc it to me anyway? |
| 19:20.52 | jcb | valdyn: no, i didnt test. but i would like if upper case isnt change to lower |
| 19:20.54 | abrotman | atrus: yes .. but when you point them to the right place .. and they refuse to go and demand your help etc |
| 19:21.05 | seldon | zlate: debfoster helped me out of a lot of situations just like the one you're in now, so if I were you, I'd give it a shot. |
| 19:21.07 | atrus | abrotman: just part of the job :) |
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| 19:21.28 | Sentia | problem with vsftp/debian my system usr is unable to login, this user can ssh in but not ftp I've enabled system users in vsftp.conf in hosts allow i've added vsftp all. any ideas? |
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| 19:21.55 | atrus | doub i'm not saying we need to all be aol support-monkeys but we probabbly shouldn't be jabbing people in the eyes with hot pokers either :) |
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| 19:22.28 | dondelelcaro | airco: it's a panel presentation... but anyway, I'll use the paster bot... |
| 19:22.32 | abrotman | atrus: i'm just saying that people demand our help . even though they aren't using debian proper |
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| 19:23.07 | atrus | anyways, i think i got what i needed out of that discussion. thanks abrotman, doub. and Alex-- for bringing up the subject ;) |
| 19:23.27 | paster | "dondelelcaro" at 68.190.248.139 pasted "Jeff Kramer:Exoskeleton Software" (89 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/53 |
| 19:23.30 | abrotman | atrus: sorry i'm a prick :) |
| 19:23.33 | dondelelcaro | airco: see above. |
| 19:23.37 | procrastinator | crashbg: Done. Do i need to reboot, or? |
| 19:23.47 | doub | atrus: i agree. but let's follow the scheme from the start. knoppix-user installs knoppix on hd, which is slightly different from plain debian. he asks for help, how could we know if what works on debian works on knoppix? so we say, go to the right place. and often, knoppix-user argues that knoppix is debian |
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| 19:24.06 | doub | atrus: that's the point where people here loose politeness |
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| 19:24.11 | abrotman | lose |
| 19:24.36 | busfahrer | Hi, is it a problem if I do "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" while I'm in X? |
| 19:24.45 | tarzeau | busfahrer: no |
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| 19:25.15 | mlalkaka | i'm having a sound issue. here's the situation: i'm playing some music (so far i've tried this with xmms, beep-media-player, and rhythmbox) and i run a program (a good example is running 'apt-get remove multi-gnome-terminal'). when i do this the music either stops completely (xmms/beep-media-player) or becomes very choppy (rhythmbox). this doesnt seem to happen on mandrake linux, which is why i think it may have to do with some settin |
| 19:25.15 | mlalkaka | gs specific to debian. can anyone help me or try what i have described and check whether the same thing happens on your debian box? |
| 19:25.16 | dabreegster | busfahrer: unlike windows, debian doesn't ask you to 'quit the application you're upgrading' |
| 19:25.30 | crashbg | procrastinator, nope just do /etc/init.d/hdparm start |
| 19:25.32 | airco | dondelelcaro: thx... |
| 19:25.34 | rancor | no, but you ought reboot, since libc is upgraded |
| 19:25.38 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: Do you have a super-fast machine? |
| 19:25.45 | airco | dondelelcaro: but i think you're quite right about it being a worthless collection of letters :) |
| 19:25.45 | tarzeau | rancor: no |
| 19:25.58 | doub | atrus: to keep comparing this with aol, you won't call the aol guy because your PengAOL or whatever it's now named doesn't work |
| 19:26.02 | atrus | doub you can guess, you can take a shot, you can try to get the user to describe what's going on and diagnose it. or you can choose to just point them in the direction they need to go and be done with it. or you can choose to not help them at all, that's what volunteer support means. but berating the user for coming to the wrong place, asking stupid questions. or just generally being a jerk doesn't help anybody. |
| 19:26.04 | rancor | really? |
| 19:26.06 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: On my 500Mhz AMD K6, when I'm apt-get is installing stuff, the music will skip. Just cause apt needs some prcoessing power |
| 19:26.07 | tarzeau | rancor: yes |
| 19:26.16 | mlalkaka | dabreegster, it's a Intel P4 1.6GHz, 256MB RAM. |
| 19:26.23 | dondelelcaro | airco: yeah... basically a collection of someone's rather uniformed ruminations |
| 19:26.23 | tarzeau | rancor: let me guess, you've used other distros aside debian, right? |
| 19:26.36 | mikeX | dabreegster, happens on my athlon-xp 1800+ too |
| 19:26.41 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: That's a pretty nice machine. It might be an issue with your sound manager. |
| 19:26.49 | mikeX | mostly if i use esd or arts |
| 19:26.53 | mlalkaka | dabreegster, sound manager? what's that? |
| 19:26.58 | dabreegster | mikeX: Only happens to me when I'm doing a lot, but that's cause I'm on an older box |
| 19:26.58 | atrus | doub it's just a waste of your own keystrokes, and gets the user riled up enough to argue and waste more people's time. |
| 19:27.03 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: I just mean like xmms or rhythmbox |
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| 19:27.10 | rancor | no, but it made nasty noises when i upgraded... |
| 19:27.11 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: your frontend software, basically |
| 19:27.16 | airco | dondelelcaro: the monicker "exoskeletal software" in itself isn't have bad though... think i'll use it anyway, just skip the citation :-) thanx for the trouble, and have a nice day |
| 19:27.21 | procrastinator | crashbg: Doesn't really seem to make a difference :( |
| 19:27.21 | dondelelcaro | airco: anyway, a good university should have a institutional subscription to ieeexplore... so no clue why you couldn't just visit http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/tocresult.jsp?isnumber=7343&isYear=1994&count=45&page=1&ResultStart=25 and get it |
| 19:27.28 | mlalkaka | dabreegster, oh. do you know of another program i could try this with? |
| 19:27.31 | crashbg | procrastinator, come in private |
| 19:27.44 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: any music manager? For X? With a pretty GUI? No. |
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| 19:27.45 | Sentia | any vsftp wiz I can pm? |
| 19:27.58 | dondelelcaro | Sentia: just ask your question publicly |
| 19:28.02 | dondelelcaro | airco: no problem... |
| 19:28.05 | dabreegster | !ask |
| 19:28.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 19:28.13 | mlalkaka | dabreegster, i'll try it with the console program mpg123. just a sec |
| 19:28.26 | doub | atrus: i agree on this. but i'm not here 24/7 like some people seem to be ;), in which case that might be annoying to state the same ever and ever again |
| 19:28.44 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: alright. That's what I use. (Well, actually, I wrote my own frontend program that queues music a certain way. But still.) |
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| 19:29.19 | airco | dondelelcaro: and on the url you provided: (actually one click further, when requesting the pdf): "request invalid - the document you requested is not included in your subscription". assistant said something about our subscription only being for all papers from 1995 and onwards, this one is too old |
| 19:29.32 | airco | anyway, doesn't matter much now. bye |
| 19:29.44 | atrus | dabreegster: sounds more like a dma issue to me. 500mhz should generally be good to apt-get stuff and play music simultaneously, on most software. my 366mhz laptop would be able to do it if i had dma working properly on the crappy-quality-hardware sound card. |
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| 19:30.12 | doub | atrus: and i observe, but that can be mere coincidence, that 24/7 presence here tends not to develop social skills or pacience. but yet again, this has to be a coincidence ;) |
| 19:30.35 | atrus | doub yeah, i do get that aspect of it. maybe we need a #debian volunteer training course. team-building seminars out at some ritzy resort ;) |
| 19:30.49 | dabreegster | atrus: Yeah, should be. Right now with screen and 8 bash shells, irssi, and elinks, plus mpg321 and my queue software, all on the console, is taking only 23% CPU and 66/128 RAM |
| 19:30.52 | atrus | doub lol.. true, true. |
| 19:30.53 | mlalkaka | dabreegster, it's still choppy with mpg123 |
| 19:31.01 | caphuso | doub: it's because people with social skills get headaches if they stay too long in here ;-) |
| 19:31.10 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: I dunno. It might be a dma issue |
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| 19:31.15 | mikeX | mlalkaka, sorry if i missed it, but are you using a sound server? |
| 19:31.18 | doub | atrus: i tend to prefer the next bar, but that's just be |
| 19:31.20 | mlalkaka | dabreegster, i'm using ALSA btw. |
| 19:31.24 | doub | atrus: s/be/me/ |
| 19:31.29 | mlalkaka | mikeX, i'm using ALSA |
| 19:31.39 | mikeX | mlalkaka, also to test if you are using dma, use 'hdparm /dev/hdxxx' |
| 19:31.48 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: Anything could be amking it to that. |
| 19:31.59 | Sentia | installed vsftp, created a special user and group, granted that user/group rights to a directory, set that usrs home dir to /www/htdocs. I've changed the vsftp.conf to allow system users to login. But when the user attempts to ftp in it gets the error failed login, this usr can ssh in. any ideas? |
| 19:32.56 | mlalkaka | mikeX, i'm using dma |
| 19:33.07 | mikeX | mlalkaka, oh.. |
| 19:33.08 | mlalkaka | dabreegster, i'm using dma |
| 19:33.15 | zlate | tarzeau: debfoster got me 566mb free diskspace :) |
| 19:33.27 | mlalkaka | dabreegster, could it be an ALSA issue? |
| 19:34.06 | zlate | seldon: debfoster works, thanks |
| 19:34.06 | doub | caphuso: so... that means... no, i disagree. i have very good social skills. ;) |
| 19:34.10 | mlalkaka | mikeX, could you maybe try what i did to see if you experience the same results? |
| 19:34.18 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: could be anything |
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| 19:34.31 | mikeX | mlalkaka, I think it's a system load issue |
| 19:34.41 | mikeX | mlalkaka, i have to go now though, sorry |
| 19:34.42 | doub | caphuso: AND I AM F****** PACIENT, OK ? ;) |
| 19:34.42 | mlalkaka | mikeX, what is system load exactly? |
| 19:34.46 | tarzeau | zlate: which will be wasted for kde or gnome. great! |
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| 19:35.32 | poser | does anyone know if I can transfer a schedule from linux to a v300 phone via the usb data cable? |
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| 19:35.47 | mikeX | mlalkaka, well I was refering to how many processes you are running, cpu usage, disk usage etc |
| 19:35.53 | caphuso | doub: :) |
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| 19:37.35 | takatumi | poser: looked at gnokii, gammu etc.? |
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| 19:38.23 | poser | takatumi: no.. not yet |
| 19:38.34 | takatumi | v300? motorola? maybe not gnokii then. |
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| 19:39.35 | zinx | don't you have to unlock them? |
| 19:39.48 | poser | takatumi: gammu? |
| 19:39.56 | takatumi | zinx: I have read no such stuff. |
| 19:40.11 | mlalkaka | dabreegster, what do you think is the most possible problem? just so i have a starting point to find a solution |
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| 19:41.14 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: It could be many things. I don't know much about dma/irq issues. If it's not hardware, could be alsa. Could be xmms/rhythmbox. Could be libraries somewhere. |
| 19:41.31 | mlalkaka | dabreegster, alright. thanks :) |
| 19:41.39 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: is it that big of a problem? it only happens when you're doing a lot like apt-geting? |
| 19:41.45 | usn | hi folx |
| 19:42.15 | mlalkaka | dabreegster, no i happens when using other programs as well. i just used apt-get as an example because it happens most often when apt-getting |
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| 19:42.40 | dabreegster | mlalkaka: It could be so many things. I'm sorry, I don't know. |
| 19:42.42 | takatumi | poser: forget about it, motorola ain't listed as supported for it. |
| 19:42.56 | mlalkaka | dabreegster, that's alright. thanks for the help though |
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| 19:43.39 | poser | takatumi: thanks |
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| 19:45.39 | silverwolf | What are the schedule for Gnome 2.10, still waiting for something? |
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| 19:46.10 | FieldySnuts | years |
| 19:46.10 | madclicker | does anyone know where could i get alsa-1.0.9 packages?is there a netconf or simular utility in debbian? |
| 19:46.30 | abrotman | silverwolf: in experimental now |
| 19:46.34 | valdyn | madclicker: when did alsa-1.0.9 release? next week? |
| 19:46.35 | madclicker | ignore the first part |
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| 19:47.39 | Zomb | madclicker: etherconf package? the "interfaces" manpage? |
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| 19:47.55 | silverwolf | abrotman, ok. Will there be a specific time with it get moved to unstable. Or is it more "When it's ready" |
| 19:48.05 | Zomb | Madkiss: time to port Yast. Really. |
| 19:48.26 | Zomb | silverwolf: it is almost always when it's ready. |
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| 19:48.57 | madclicker | Zomb: thanks |
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| 19:51.36 | abrotman | SiliconViper_: WIR |
| 19:51.41 | Toastie_ | Why does copying to a USB storage device take so much CPU time? Shouldn't it rely on DMA? |
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| 19:52.10 | FieldySnuts | no, to the kernel it's a scsi device, and scsi does not use dma |
| 19:52.12 | deckrider | Hi, I have install debian/sarge on a laptop, but I get some odd errors booting: "VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hda6, ReiserFS: hda6: warning: sh-2021: reiserfs_fill_super: can not find reiserfs on hda6" my fstab contains this: "/dev/hda6 / xfs defaults 0 1" |
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| 19:52.49 | JoshH | abrotman: are you using the experimental packages yourself? |
| 19:52.51 | squareff | is there any possibility to set xkb to generate two (or more) symbols by just one keystroke? |
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| 19:52.58 | Toastie_ | FieldySnuts: SCSI and DMA are unrelated things |
| 19:53.05 | abrotman | JoshH: no .. why? |
| 19:53.11 | FieldySnuts | i know that. |
| 19:53.18 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: NIC? |
| 19:53.24 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 19:53.31 | Toastie_ | FieldySnuts: I'd also assume the common SCSI adapter does DMA transfers |
| 19:53.32 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: 1Gb? |
| 19:53.37 | JoshH | just curious... im thinking ill probably just wait, unless someone is using them and says there wasnt any hassle. |
| 19:53.43 | FieldySnuts | i'm confused and i'm going away |
| 19:53.53 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: did you get your 1Gb nic working from friday :) |
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| 19:54.21 | rancor | deckrider: thats normal, its only because there built into the kernel |
| 19:54.35 | EvilSporkMan | how do I let a regular user mount a samba share? I get "operation not permitted" when I try, and if I chown the mount point to my user, i get "umount: /mnt/music disagrees with the fstab" when trying to umount. |
| 19:54.42 | Dabian | Hmm .. whats the advantage of webdav over ftp besides from speed? |
| 19:54.48 | deckrider | rancor: oh, ok, thought I somehow did something stupid |
| 19:54.53 | deckrider | rancor: thanks |
| 19:55.07 | Dabian | Does it not send the password in cleartext? |
| 19:55.18 | FieldySnuts | i'd have a hard time believing many things could outperform ftp speedwise |
| 19:55.27 | rancor | deckrider: no prob |
| 19:55.27 | FieldySnuts | probabl |
| 19:55.36 | crashbg | EvilSporkMan, add user to options |
| 19:55.53 | crashbg | defaults,user |
| 19:56.04 | madclicker | how does sarge associate network card modules to interfaces? |
| 19:56.16 | Delph | FieldySnuts: doesn't http outperform ftp |
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| 19:56.18 | Delph | ? |
| 19:56.32 | streuner | madclicker: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 19:56.44 | Delph | given I don't think ftp provides a content-encoding: gzip type thing |
| 19:57.07 | streuner | madclicker: in debian you set the network up via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:57.11 | EvilSporkMan | crashbg: did that, no dice |
| 19:57.16 | rancor | Delph: yes, but ftp is more reliable |
| 19:57.18 | Delph | (might not be content-encoding, but ykwim) |
| 19:57.41 | streuner | madclicker: did you reinstall yet? |
| 19:57.41 | Delph | rancor: it doesn't do any extra checks on the validity of the data than http does. |
| 19:57.52 | Delph | http can be resumed; ftp can be resumed. |
| 19:57.57 | madclicker | streuner: not in sarg, all i see is eth0 auto and so forth i need to tell the kernel that sk98lin is eth0 not eth1394 |
| 19:58.27 | Delph | all you get extra with ftp is persistent state of where you are in the remote filesystem. |
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| 19:58.46 | madclicker | streuner: every time i reboot it assignes the firewire port eth0, thats sad |
| 19:59.09 | rancor | Delph: yes, the stateful part is very important |
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| 19:59.32 | Delph | rancor: why? statless things are less likely to be confused than stateful ones. |
| 19:59.40 | streuner | madclicker: don't blame debian for that, you removed /etc/modules.conf... |
| 19:59.43 | madclicker | in any rpm based in stall it is done in /etc/modules.conf for kernel 2.4 and /etc/modprobe.conf 2.6 respectivley |
| 20:00.13 | caphuso | madclicker: in debian too |
| 20:00.15 | madclicker | streuner: no i did not, that was 3 hours ago |
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| 20:00.29 | rancor | Delph: now that depends what we're talking about |
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| 20:00.33 | streuner | madclicker: so go reinstall now |
| 20:00.34 | madclicker | caphuso: dont think so, i checked |
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| 20:00.47 | madclicker | streuner: i already did |
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| 20:00.54 | streuner | oh |
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| 20:01.11 | caphuso | madclicker: good. then don't go around claiming that debian uses its very own reimplemtation of modutils and module-init-tools. have fun |
| 20:01.16 | Delph | rancor: so what are we talking about ^.^ |
| 20:01.22 | caphuso | damn. s/don't// |
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| 20:01.38 | rancor | Delph: heh |
| 20:01.48 | Stuve91a | can anyone help me mounting a disk ? |
| 20:01.55 | Delph | possibly the only nice thing about ftp is being able to reformat line based text files on the fly |
| 20:02.14 | streuner | resiak: yeah, i always forgot the new tools in debian ;-) |
| 20:02.16 | dabreegster | Stuve91a: be specific. |
| 20:02.22 | zirikili | hi all. I run MAKEDEV busmice but the system doesn't create psaux ... what should be wrong? |
| 20:02.28 | dabreegster | !tell Stuve91a about ask |
| 20:02.33 | resiak | zirikili: udev? |
| 20:02.37 | resiak | zirikili: modprobe mousedev |
| 20:02.45 | zirikili | resiak: let me try |
| 20:03.32 | streuner | madclicker: you've heard what resiak suggest, look at hotplug (dpkg -l hotplug) |
| 20:03.36 | crashbg | dabreegster, he has in fstab mount point for a hdd1 wich mounts read-only, we tried with rw,user and defaults,user but still read-only |
| 20:03.38 | rancor | Delph: that is exactly that sort of thing that makes ftp useful, although you're right that it's slow(read obsolete) |
| 20:03.45 | crashbg | chmod -R 777 mountfolder |
| 20:03.54 | crashbg | but still read-only |
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| 20:04.04 | resiak | crashbg: Is it a vfat partition, perchance? |
| 20:04.11 | crashbg | ext2 |
| 20:04.15 | dabreegster | crashbg: no clue, sorry |
| 20:04.15 | resiak | Oh. |
| 20:04.21 | madclicker | streuner: it will disable the 1394 interface, how good is that? |
| 20:04.27 | Delph | bah, game-loss. |
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| 20:04.39 | streuner | madclicker: don't ask me, i don't use hotplug |
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| 20:05.13 | crashbg | ok bye all, gonna watch movie :) |
| 20:05.18 | streuner | madclicker: what does 'dpkg -l hotplug' say? |
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| 20:05.59 | madclicker | streuner: ii hotplug |
| 20:06.09 | ansong | does anyone besides me have trouble with anjuta crashing? |
| 20:06.20 | tarzeau | ansong: dpkg -l anjuta ? |
| 20:06.26 | tarzeau | ansong: bugs.debian.org/anjuta ? |
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| 20:06.56 | zirikili | resiak: the device has been created |
| 20:07.05 | resiak | zirikili: \o/ |
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| 20:07.28 | zirikili | resiak: :) but the mouse doesn't work yet |
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| 20:07.46 | resiak | zirikili: Oh, shit. :) |
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| 20:08.40 | zirikili | resiak: really ... any other trick? |
| 20:08.49 | hcy | is there another keystroke for "paste" other than ctrl-V ? I'm trying to paste in wine - it used to work, but now when i do it it crashes |
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| 20:09.05 | tarzeau | hcy: checked the BTS yet? |
| 20:09.14 | hcy | tarzeau: no |
| 20:09.21 | Pappa | ever noticed that oo.o's export-to-html is really bad? |
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| 20:09.30 | ansong | tarzeau, if they have a similar problem listed (anjuta crashes when opening files with certain encoding) should I submit the bug I'm having (anjuta crashes when opening. it doesn't have to open any file.)? |
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| 20:09.34 | Pappa | i mean, it works fine, but the layout is very crappy. |
| 20:09.41 | Pappa | and it's messy markup |
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| 20:10.19 | tarzeau | ansong: i only looked into anjuta long ago, and wasn't satisfied (years ago). if you can reproduce the error or fix it (patch), then send it in (if it wasn't already reported or isn't known) |
| 20:10.30 | tarzeau | hcy: do i need to say more? |
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| 20:10.50 | waxboy | last night i installed the latest demudi release on an old (PII era) comp i've had laying around. the installation went smoothly, but as soon as x11 starts up and i see the mouse cursor the system drops into standby mode, and continues to do so 10-20 after i wake it up, idle or not. if i boot into recovery mode without x11, no problems. anyone seen this sort of thing before? |
| 20:10.55 | hcy | tarzeau: :) ... in the meantime, though, do you know of another keystroke for 'paste'? |
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| 20:11.43 | Virtual | is it ok to have two source sin sources.list ? like : |
| 20:11.54 | Virtual | deb http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 20:11.54 | Virtual | deb ftp://ftp.lug.ro/debian/ testing main |
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| 20:11.59 | BadMan | hey I have VNC installed ona few windows clients and I want their desktops on my debian box, which vnc app should I use? I am not interested in exporting my display just importing/interacting with theirs |
| 20:12.02 | tarzeau | hcy: no. i stopped using wine long long ago |
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| 20:12.36 | hcy | tarzeau: good for you :) |
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| 20:12.36 | takatumi | mouse paste won't do? |
| 20:12.43 | justin` | Anyone interested in debian@gmail.com |
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| 20:13.21 | takatumi | debian: ^^ |
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| 20:14.21 | tarzeau | justin`: haha |
| 20:14.30 | hcy | takatumi: how's mouse paste? |
| 20:14.43 | tarzeau | justin`: what are you charging for it? |
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| 20:15.00 | thingfish | yum, mouse paste. you have it on toast. |
| 20:15.01 | justin` | I don't know, just seeing if anyone is interested |
| 20:15.02 | takatumi | haven't tasted yet. :) |
| 20:15.03 | rancor | justin`: must... have... address... |
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| 20:15.10 | hcy | this is in the 'password' popup window of winrar... there's no 'edit' pull-down menu |
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| 20:15.33 | takatumi | hcy: left-click highlight, middle-click |
| 20:16.07 | hcy | takatumi: is that copy or paste? |
| 20:16.15 | Virtual | can I have more than one source in my sources.list file ? |
| 20:16.32 | justin` | rancor: :) |
| 20:16.39 | takatumi | hcy: highlight copies, middle-click pastes |
| 20:16.41 | SiliconViper_ | abrotman, pardon? |
| 20:16.54 | streuner | Virtual: usually the sources of debian are enough |
| 20:17.11 | benj | hello guys |
| 20:17.15 | hcy | i only have a two-button touchpad... but middle-click crashes winrar too |
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| 20:17.30 | dabreegster | Virtual: you can |
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| 20:17.33 | benj | has anyone from you know how to use sch_teql for me it doesnt' work as it should be :) |
| 20:17.36 | dabreegster | !marillat |
| 20:17.36 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 20:17.40 | Virtual | streuner: I meant two debian sources like : http://ftp.lug.ro/debian/ and ftp://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 20:17.58 | dabreegster | Virtual: put em on seperate lines and make sure the syntax is correct. (man sources.list?) |
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| 20:18.25 | takatumi | hcy: I would be surprised if you are running debian. |
| 20:18.28 | streuner | Virtual: well, apt-setup let you choose between ftp or http and several other ones, but you have only one choice for the protocol |
| 20:18.43 | streuner | Virtual:... |
| 20:18.44 | hcy | takatumi: debian sid |
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| 20:19.12 | streuner | Virtual: yes, of course, but in this case its not useful |
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| 20:19.59 | takatumi | hcy: check BTS, file bugs, stop using password protected rars etc. |
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| 20:20.10 | hcy | takatumi: i tested your mouse-paste in a non-wine app (gedit) and it worked fine... so i guess wine has a problem with paste now |
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| 20:20.23 | hcy | takatumi: ok |
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| 20:21.02 | a_monkey | how do i assign aterm to use a different locale? |
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| 20:21.19 | madclicker | how do i tell sarge to use 'sk98lin' module for eth0? |
| 20:21.19 | waxboy | hey, how do you launch x11 manually? |
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| 20:21.30 | a_monkey | waxboy: startx |
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| 20:21.33 | Bu5H | waxboy: startx\ |
| 20:21.37 | waxboy | thanks! |
| 20:21.38 | Bu5H | without the \ |
| 20:21.44 | chr1s | Is it possible to have multiple serverlayout sections in XFree86Config-4? |
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| 20:21.57 | streuner | madclicker: load the module for that NIC and setup interfaces |
| 20:22.03 | rancor | chr1s: yes |
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| 20:22.24 | chr1s | rancor: how can I pick one by default? |
| 20:23.17 | madclicker | streuner: how do i tell interfaces wich module to load? |
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| 20:23.49 | Dabian | madclicker: Use an authoritative voice, and speak firmly. |
| 20:23.52 | streuner | madclicker: not via interfaces, via /etc/modules |
| 20:24.13 | tren | Hi, I have problem with 2.6.11.6 and 2.6.11.7 - this kernels not use on my system swap :-( I have working 2.6.11 (no problem with swap) and I load .config to 2.6.11.6 (also 2.6.11.7) and no swap used by system :( Any idea what could be the problem ? |
| 20:24.47 | Virtual | Package kyim is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 20:24.47 | Virtual | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 20:24.47 | Virtual | is only available from another source |
| 20:24.48 | rancor | chr1s: i can't quite remember, either xinit uses "Default Layout" as the default argument or the first server layout defined is used |
| 20:24.50 | Virtual | can I overwrite this? |
| 20:25.15 | chr1s | I think I've got it now |
| 20:25.28 | rancor | chr1s: good |
| 20:26.30 | madclicker | streuner: my modules contain: ide-cd, ide-disk, ide-generic, psmouse, sbp2, sd_mod, sr_mod. How am i suppose to tell "eth0 sk98lin" ? |
| 20:27.46 | dvs | madclicker: echo 'sk98lin' >> /etc/modules |
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| 20:28.03 | ludi | how do I enable other users to be able to burn CDs? |
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| 20:28.11 | Bu5H | ludi: are you using k3b? |
| 20:28.18 | tarzeau | ludi: using sudo |
| 20:28.26 | tarzeau | ludi: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ see sudoers |
| 20:28.41 | ludi | Bu5H: at the moment, yes. but some other users use nautilus |
| 20:28.46 | Bu5H | arr. |
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| 20:28.56 | Bu5H | well in k3b its just a matter of running k3bsetup |
| 20:29.10 | rancor | ludi: add users to the group cdrom |
| 20:29.14 | ludi | Bu5H: I just want to enable cd-burning system wide for all users |
| 20:29.20 | tarzeau | Bu5H: it'll need an x server, all sorts of kde libs! |
| 20:29.23 | tarzeau | Bu5H: just for burning a cd? |
| 20:29.31 | Bu5H | he's already got k3b |
| 20:29.46 | Bu5H | so im presuming its already there |
| 20:30.10 | ludi | rancor: Thanks! |
| 20:30.45 | tren | Any way how to force to use swap on linux machine ? |
| 20:30.56 | rancor | ludi: and chmod 664 /dev/cdrom |
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| 20:31.16 | tarzeau | tren: you can't if you've got enough real memory |
| 20:31.23 | tarzeau | tren: well why? |
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| 20:31.54 | rancor | tren: sure, just write c proggy thats leaks memory like mad |
| 20:32.10 | Bu5H | run x for a week |
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| 20:32.51 | madclicker | dvs: yes sirie bob, that loaded eth0 with sk98lin but now it is trying to associate something with eth1. |
| 20:33.05 | dvs | madclicker: is that a problem? |
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| 20:33.12 | tren | tarzeau: I have problem with swap space..on 2.6.11 system already used swap space (some MB) (X windows..etc), now I have 2.6.11.6 and also tryied 2.6.11.7 with config from 2.6.11 and no swap space used (some programs was killed by kernel - not enought memmory probably) |
| 20:33.17 | useruser | tren: i think there's a kernel option you can use to tell the kernel to ignore most of your memory |
| 20:33.18 | madclicker | dvs: no not at all am kool |
| 20:33.22 | madclicker | dvs: thx |
| 20:34.06 | dvs | madclicker: np |
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| 20:34.06 | davFr | hi guyz! Howto lock (or "pin") a package to its currently installed version? thanks |
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| 20:34.06 | tren | tarzeau: 2.6.11.6 and 2.6.11.7 not use swap on my box :-( any idea what could be wrong ? |
| 20:34.06 | tarzeau | tren: tried making a swapfile? and check with free -m ? |
| 20:34.06 | tarzeau | tren: www.linuks.mine.nu/swap/ |
| 20:34.36 | davFr | tren: you don't have the swap info in /etc/fstab? |
| 20:34.53 | tren | davFr: I have ..when I boot 2.6.11 no problem with swap |
| 20:34.54 | davFr | tren: or you lack the module for swap fs? |
| 20:34.57 | useruser | davFr: edit /etc/apt/preferences |
| 20:35.29 | rancor | davFr: hit = on the package in aptitude |
| 20:35.31 | madclicker | dvs: just for curiosity, if no config file is specifying to load a module eth1394, why is it getting loaded? |
| 20:35.39 | appaji | dpkg tell davFr about ping |
| 20:35.40 | dvs | madclicker: discover |
| 20:35.40 | appaji | dpkg tell davFr about pin |
| 20:35.51 | appaji | yikes. |
| 20:35.52 | tren | davFr: which module you mean ? |
| 20:35.54 | davFr | thanks |
| 20:35.54 | appaji | dpkg tell davFr about pinning |
| 20:36.07 | streuner | madclicker: or over hotplug |
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| 20:36.31 | streuner | madclicker: apt-get remove hotplug, discover, udev, devfs |
| 20:36.34 | davFr | tren : there is a module to load/compile, it is in the fs section in "make xconfig". Do you have a precompiled kernel? |
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| 20:36.41 | Dabian | why? |
| 20:36.42 | p0p3y3 | hello guys, i have compiled my new kernel 2.6.11.7 on my debian mashine and now i wanted to edit lilo but i cant find /etc/lilo.conf ........... could somebody help me? |
| 20:36.48 | streuner | madclicker: without ',' |
| 20:37.08 | davFr | p0p3y3 : you have grub, do you? ;o) |
| 20:37.14 | p0p3y3 | yes |
| 20:37.18 | ysothoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.48 | davFr | p0p3y3 : then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst. lilo.conf is for lilo (another boot loader). |
| 20:38.01 | madclicker | streuner: dont want to play with hotplug, i got mu usb mouse and keyboard working :) |
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| 20:38.19 | dvs | madclicker: Then the other modules will keep on loading. |
| 20:38.24 | p0p3y3 | k thx:) |
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| 20:38.37 | dvs | madclicker: USB mouse is loaded with "usbmouse" module IIRC |
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| 20:38.55 | drac | dvs: huh, usually it's just usbhid. |
| 20:39.11 | dvs | drac: Really? |
| 20:39.18 | drac | yeah, human interface device |
| 20:39.31 | dvs | my mistake. Old habits die hard |
| 20:39.35 | tren | davFr: in the fs section is no module for swap |
| 20:39.53 | tren | davFr: what's name in .config for this swap fs module ? |
| 20:40.12 | davFr | tren : i will look |
| 20:40.18 | streuner | !usbmouse |
| 20:40.18 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
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| 20:41.40 | davFr | CONFIG_SWAP=y |
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| 20:42.22 | davFr | tren : but i can't see it for the moment in the menu |
| 20:42.29 | tren | davFr: this is in general setup and I have this of course |
| 20:42.56 | tren | davFr: but I have this enabled.. |
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| 20:43.23 | davFr | tren: oups. then do you see your swp partition in the ouput of fdisk -l |
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| 20:44.22 | davFr | tren : did you use the same config file for your working and non-working kernels ? |
| 20:44.36 | madclicker | i am looking for a mixer package |
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| 20:44.41 | tren | davFr: yes..same .config |
| 20:44.43 | madclicker | for sound |
| 20:45.02 | streuner | !info aumix |
| 20:45.03 | gravity | madclicker: autmix |
| 20:45.05 | dpkg | aumix: (Simple text-based mixer control program), section sound, is extra. Version: 2.8-15 (sid), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 444 kB |
| 20:45.21 | dvs | streuner: for ALSA? |
| 20:45.32 | streuner | dvs: sure, why not? |
| 20:45.43 | madclicker | garvity: what about amixer |
| 20:45.45 | madclicker | ? |
| 20:45.49 | Comando | olá |
| 20:45.52 | davFr | tren : then there is no reason swap would not be activated. Or maybe a certain module was not packaged in your initrd file, and thus can't be loaded at boot time |
| 20:45.55 | takatumi | madclicker: try alsamixer as well. |
| 20:46.29 | gravity | madclicker: Sure |
| 20:46.31 | davFr | madclicker : alsamixergui |
| 20:46.46 | davFr | madclicker : gtk-based :o) |
| 20:46.50 | takatumi | just plain alsamixer, part of the alsa-utils package. |
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| 20:47.16 | tren | davFr: I not use initrd, I have CONFIG_SWAP=y, when I boot old kernel SWAP is used, when I reboot new kernel, not use (some program killed/seg fault etc..) |
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| 20:48.00 | madclicker | davFr: i have that installed but when i double click on volume manager i get "sorry no mixer elements and/or device found" |
| 20:48.00 | davFr | tren : do you go though the complete boot anyway? |
| 20:48.01 | mohohaha | i'm not able to create files in a samba share, how can i fix this |
| 20:48.15 | tren | davFr: yes, of course |
| 20:48.27 | gravity | madclicker: Do you have any sound in other apps? |
| 20:48.40 | davFr | madclicker : you have to install alsa-base, and then run alsaconfig it will create alsa snd device |
| 20:48.40 | madclicker | garvity: nope |
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| 20:49.00 | takatumi | madclicker: are the ALSA modules loaded? lsmod |grep snd |
| 20:49.03 | davFr | tren : you should also compare the outputs of lsmod with both kernels |
| 20:49.06 | gravity | madclicker: Install discover to get your sound working |
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| 20:49.31 | tren | davFr: why lsmod ? I have =y for swap |
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| 20:49.41 | kj | Hi all |
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| 20:50.03 | clojster | how can I read mails that are stored in mail spool? |
| 20:50.07 | clojster | hich program? |
| 20:50.09 | tarzeau | clojster: less |
| 20:50.10 | deadcat | clojster: mutt |
| 20:50.16 | kj | elm |
| 20:50.21 | rancor | mail |
| 20:50.24 | tarzeau | nail |
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| 20:50.27 | tarzeau | more |
| 20:50.32 | tarzeau | nethack ! |
| 20:50.32 | madclicker | garvity: takatumi: yeap snd_hda_intel, snd_hda_codec, snd_pcm, snd_timer, snd, soundcore, snd_page_alloc |
| 20:50.33 | clojster | is there some X prog? |
| 20:50.35 | davFr | tren : to see which modules were truly loaded during boot. Maybe you will notice a difference with both kernels, and it will help you target your investigation |
| 20:50.35 | deadcat | what the fuck. we all know mutt is the easiest compare to the list here. |
| 20:50.35 | rancor | most |
| 20:50.41 | tarzeau | !for x |
| 20:50.41 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
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| 20:51.01 | takatumi | madclicker: try alsamixer, unmute. |
| 20:51.01 | clojster | lol |
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| 20:51.09 | tren | davFr: I looked now to bootlog ..same modules were loaded |
| 20:51.39 | deadcat | i got 2 wireless cards for $5/each. orinoco and prism2. orinoco still popular among geeks? |
| 20:51.45 | davFr | tren : then maybe it is just a kernel bug ? |
| 20:52.05 | tren | davFr: in 2.6.11.6 and laso 2.6.11.7 ? hmm..strange |
| 20:52.05 | kj | Anyone know something about sparc64? |
| 20:52.14 | tarzeau | kj: i've got one under my desk |
| 20:52.16 | kvn | That original lucent card was very nice. I think it was orinoco. |
| 20:52.21 | tarzeau | kj: but your question was fucking stupid |
| 20:52.24 | tarzeau | kj: /msg dpkg ask |
| 20:52.34 | vollmer | So I just compiled a new kernel to add sound support, I've got an old laptop with a standard SB (Sound Blaster or compatible).. well on boot I get the following in the kern.log |
| 20:52.36 | vollmer | sbux: I/O, IRQ, and DMA are mandatory |
| 20:52.39 | madclicker | takatumi: how do i work that? |
| 20:52.47 | deadcat | kvn: ya. i have loads of those. 4 actually. 2 off airport base stations.. they are all gold now |
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| 20:52.48 | vollmer | I have no idea how to set those for something compiled into the kernel |
| 20:52.56 | davFr | tren : which is the working kernel version? |
| 20:53.03 | vollmer | they wouldn't go into modules.conf would they? |
| 20:53.13 | kj | Got a blade100, when I netboot it, it doesn't recognize the ide disks... |
| 20:53.17 | tren | davFr: 2.6.11 |
| 20:53.19 | takatumi | madclicker: work what? install the package or use alsamixer? |
| 20:53.20 | tarzeau | kj: #sparc |
| 20:53.30 | kj | Thanks a lot |
| 20:53.37 | sbux | yes vollmer ? |
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| 20:53.44 | tarzeau | kj: there's also someone in #gnu-kbsd that has the same machine like you |
| 20:53.45 | vollmer | gah |
| 20:53.57 | tarzeau | kj: he probably can help you, ask about the "cockburn islands" there |
| 20:54.00 | vollmer | stupid auto-complete sbux may bad, should was trying to paste a line from kern.log :) |
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| 20:54.04 | vollmer | *my |
| 20:54.09 | sbux | no prob |
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| 20:54.18 | madclicker | takatumi: i ment alsamixer, it shows me a page with "PCM" "SURROUND" "CENTER" etc |
| 20:54.23 | vollmer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.26 | vitriol | how do you block something from being installed from a particular entry in sources.list? |
| 20:54.28 | davFr | tren : did you check the parameters passed to kernel at boot time. (in /etc/lilo.conf) |
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| 20:55.06 | kreg | so i heard there's this thing coming out called email. |
| 20:55.06 | takatumi | madclicker: use the left and right arrow keys to move, press "m" to unmute, if the channel is muted you will see "MM" at the bottom of the colored bars. |
| 20:55.09 | slyboots | Has anyone here used Cedega ? :D |
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| 20:55.24 | slyboots | It seems to be kind of crap, It doesnt actuly appear to do anything |
| 20:55.30 | takatumi | madclicker: and up down to raise and lower volume, escape to exit. |
| 20:55.33 | tren | davFr: you mean, if both kernels were loaded with same lilo parameters ? |
| 20:55.40 | davFr | tren : correct |
| 20:55.47 | tarzeau | !tell slyboots about ask |
| 20:55.49 | tren | davFr: yes, same lilo parameters.. |
| 20:56.26 | slyboots | Okay, Well I installed cedega, but when you try to use it to exectue a windows program it does.. nothing at all as far as I can see, No output, no console messages, nothing in the logs |
| 20:56.39 | madclicker | takatumi: i anmuted them all but only "PC SPEAKER" can control volume |
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| 20:56.50 | zinx | slyboots: talk to transgaming |
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| 20:57.20 | slyboots | Yay, Im sure that iwll be prodcutive :P |
| 20:57.21 | Tech^salvager | Hello |
| 20:57.21 | takatumi | madclicker: does it show you the right sound card name on the top? |
| 20:57.43 | takatumi | or chip. |
| 20:57.52 | CyL_away | What sound system is better implemented by sarge/kde, oss or alsa? |
| 20:57.52 | davFr | slyboots : it is better for some apps, i ve been told. a.k.a. WineX. I don't like the license and the fact that i have to fight to get the files, and won't be able to send bug report on anything. I stick with wine, and for the rest, I try to push for linux native apps |
| 20:57.57 | tarzeau | davFr: don't msg me |
| 20:58.07 | kreg | i can't wait till they come out with email support for soap |
| 20:58.13 | slyboots | I just want to play Swat :( |
| 20:58.14 | tarzeau | davFr: i don't have an i386 to run some emulation shit to run some windows shit binaries shit |
| 20:58.19 | zinx | slyboots: well, it's commercial software.. they *SHOULD* support it |
| 20:58.19 | davFr | (tarzeau: bad clicking error :/) |
| 20:58.22 | Tech^salvager | Can anyone help me out? I want to know if I can install another distro by using the debian bootdisks to boot the computer. |
| 20:58.26 | takatumi | CyL_away: it's that in between period. |
| 20:58.30 | slyboots | Ha! |
| 20:58.38 | madclicker | takatumi: yeap HDA Intel C-Media CMI9880, i mind u this is recompiled alsa 1.0.9rc2, 1.0.8 does not support C-Media 9880 |
| 20:58.40 | zinx | slyboots: we certainly can't, in any case |
| 20:58.47 | CyL_away | takatumi<=- So what is sarge/kde evoluting to? |
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| 20:59.25 | takatumi | CyL_away: it depends on the kernel. |
| 20:59.27 | abrotman | SiliconViper_: que? |
| 20:59.36 | CyL_away | takatumi<=- 2.6.8... |
| 20:59.55 | vollmer | hmm let me rephrase it, I need to specify some options for a driver compiled into the kernel, what is the trick, specificly I need to do the equiv of a modules.conf entry of 'options sb io=0x220 ira=5 dma=1 dma16=1' but for something that isn't a module |
| 21:00.18 | takatumi | madclicker: try the ALSA mailing lists probably, or wait for the guy who earlier told you it worked. |
| 21:00.20 | Tech^salvager | anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:00.54 | madclicker | takatumi: roger |
| 21:01.06 | tarzeau | Tech^salvager: which distro? |
| 21:01.11 | takatumi | CyL_away: both OSS and ALSA modules are available for you to load. |
| 21:01.23 | Tech^salvager | thinking like mandrake madclicker |
| 21:01.35 | tarzeau | Tech^salvager: and you think people in #debian will help you doing so? |
| 21:01.40 | tarzeau | Tech^salvager: you are hilarious |
| 21:01.42 | vollmer | tarzeau: hahaha |
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| 21:02.05 | madclicker | is there an irc channel for alsa? |
| 21:02.05 | Tech^salvager | tarzeau: my puter only boots from the debian ppc boot disk |
| 21:02.10 | mohohaha | why isn't my samba working |
| 21:02.20 | CyL_away | takatumi<=- Yes I know buddy, the issue is that I'm compiling a custom kernel, and would like to know wich sound system to emphatise (is thta spelled correctly?) in... |
| 21:02.28 | tarzeau | Tech^salvager: why not install debian onto it then? |
| 21:02.37 | karamelos | I cannot install the capability module; I get this from modconf: "error inserting capability" capability.ko "invalid argument" |
| 21:02.45 | vollmer | anyway have any ideas on setting options for a compiled driver? |
| 21:02.51 | gpm | hey, has anyone else noticed that the debian swirl comes from buzz lightyear's chin? |
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| 21:03.19 | Tech^salvager | tarzeau: dunno want to find out if theres another way |
| 21:03.20 | rancor | vollmer: kernel command line. |
| 21:03.27 | tarzeau | gpm: hehe and i thought they've got the swirl for buzz from debian ;) |
| 21:03.34 | takatumi | CyL_away: for the 2.6 kernels OSS is being deprecated in favour of ALSA, so I would recommend ALSA, that's what I use. |
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| 21:03.46 | Tech^salvager | tarzeau: want to find out new stuff |
| 21:03.55 | gpm | tarzeau: 't could be. i don't remember which came first...debian or toy story |
| 21:03.55 | vollmer | rancor: aww sweet thx (/me googled) |
| 21:03.57 | tarzeau | Tech^salvager: nice you can stop telling me now |
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| 21:04.13 | rancor | vollmer: no prob |
| 21:04.17 | tarzeau | gpm: toy story 1 came out 95, debian 1991 but they haven't had the swirl then i think |
| 21:04.31 | tarzeau | gpm: they've had a small pengaroo that looked like a cute bird |
| 21:04.42 | gpm | tarzeau: oh wow, where can i find it? |
| 21:04.51 | tarzeau | gpm: btw it was rendered using renderman (which was developed on NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP) ok ok i stop whoring gnustep |
| 21:05.02 | takatumi | tarzeau: :) |
| 21:05.05 | tarzeau | gpm: you haven't seen both toy story moveis yet? |
| 21:05.10 | tarzeau | gpm: try google pictures |
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| 21:05.38 | gpm | tarzeau: no, i mean where can i find the old logo? |
| 21:05.41 | takatumi | my kid has made me watch it a 100 times. |
| 21:05.43 | chealer | 1991 or 1993? |
| 21:05.47 | tarzeau | gpm: yeah google pictures |
| 21:05.49 | tarzeau | chealer: oh wait 93 |
| 21:05.54 | tarzeau | chealer: 91 was linux |
| 21:05.54 | gpm | tarzeau: k. |
| 21:06.05 | tarzeau | chealer: and 88 was NeXTSTEP 0.9 |
| 21:06.09 | chealer | yeah, that must be it |
| 21:06.20 | tarzeau | takatumi: poor you ;) |
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| 21:06.48 | tarzeau | takatumi: but isn't it cool how sid destorys the cheap plastic soldier "sarge"? |
| 21:06.52 | takatumi | tarzeau: monsters inc was worser, I lost count. |
| 21:06.54 | mohohaha | hmm for some reason i have no write permission in this samba share |
| 21:07.21 | zinx | i was never one for watching the same show over and over |
| 21:07.24 | p8m | I went to Monsters, inc on a date...She was weird. :( |
| 21:07.25 | zinx | i need new material :/ |
| 21:07.37 | paulswm | takatumi: I wonder how many times you'll get to watch the Incredibles |
| 21:08.00 | takatumi | tarzeau: hmm, thought provoking eh? |
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| 21:08.11 | takatumi | paulswm: he didn't like it, I'm safe. |
| 21:08.30 | paulswm | takatumi: And I bet that's the one you liked best |
| 21:08.31 | tarzeau | takatumi: have you seen the new episodes of star wars? |
| 21:08.41 | dabreegster | p8m: Not a great movie for a date, hmm? But then again, I'm taking somebody to the hitchhikers guide. So I'm crazy too. |
| 21:08.52 | takatumi | tarzeau: the TV ones? |
| 21:09.02 | FunnyLookinHat | Anyone know why my sound would output static in a constant beat series when I click to enable the sound server in the sound options for Gnome? Sound works perfectly fine in KDE. |
| 21:09.09 | Tech^salvager | anyone know how to atleast start another distros install but use this bootdisk to boot the computer |
| 21:09.16 | tarzeau | takatumi: episodes 1&2 was on tv here. i don't mean the really old ones |
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| 21:10.24 | takatumi | paulswm: it was alright, I liked finding nemo or shark tale better. |
| 21:10.29 | clojster | mutt displayed my mails correctly /var/mail/username/ ...I wanted to move all read mails into Inbox... how can I read them now? |
| 21:10.41 | rancor | Tech^salvager: depends, what distro do you want to end up in |
| 21:10.48 | FunnyLookinHat | Anyone know why my sound would output static in a constant beat series when I click to enable the sound server in the sound options for Gnome? Sound works perfectly fine in KDE. |
| 21:10.56 | mohohaha | debian sucks! |
| 21:10.56 | tarzeau | !tell FunnyLookinHat about repeat |
| 21:11.02 | dabreegster | paulswm: I found those online, all 12 fits, and got em the other day |
| 21:11.06 | paulswm | takatumi: Yeah, I liked Nemo, Dory is funny as heck |
| 21:11.11 | tarzeau | !suck mohohaha |
| 21:11.12 | takatumi | mohohaha: yes, bye. |
| 21:11.20 | Pappa | esd may be crappy, or it may not be that crappy. better off without it :p |
| 21:11.26 | tarzeau | paulswm: yeah i liked nemo too |
| 21:11.27 | Tech^salvager | rancor thanks....w\e gonna try something |
| 21:11.40 | paulswm | dabreegster: cool, I'll have to look, I lost my tapes when I moved to the US |
| 21:11.41 | mohohaha | debian really really sucks |
| 21:11.41 | dabreegster | esd is nice for mixing |
| 21:11.46 | tarzeau | Pappa: what about Gnome and KDE? |
| 21:11.55 | tarzeau | helix? |
| 21:11.56 | adjacent | yeh, debian blows |
| 21:11.57 | Pappa | mixing? |
| 21:11.58 | rancor | Tech^salvager: cool, let me know if it works |
| 21:12.09 | helix | yeah |
| 21:12.10 | tarzeau | Pappa: no, some words about them each individually |
| 21:12.11 | helix | uh |
| 21:12.15 | dabreegster | Pappa: mixing sound streams together |
| 21:12.16 | helix | stop acting like morons please |
| 21:12.18 | tarzeau | mohohaha wants to go away |
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| 21:12.27 | Pappa | alsa does that in hardware. |
| 21:12.29 | tarzeau | oh if only greycat was here, he'd just do it |
| 21:12.30 | directhex | dabreegster, esd is about the worst option for sound mixing available on linux |
| 21:12.38 | helix | mohohaha: you want to go away? |
| 21:12.39 | tarzeau | instead of babbling "please stop acting like morons" |
| 21:12.54 | takatumi | dabreegster: it just works here (tm) no esd, dmix or any other cruft, just plain ALSA compiled static. |
| 21:12.56 | p8m | alsa is a driver api not a sound server |
| 21:12.56 | mohohaha | debian really really really really sucks |
| 21:12.56 | paulswm | o.O |
| 21:13.01 | dabreegster | directhex: What's a bettter option? |
| 21:13.03 | tarzeau | helix: why don't you believe me? |
| 21:13.07 | streuner | haha |
| 21:13.09 | helix | tarzeau: people often call the ops when they have been exacerbating the situation |
| 21:13.12 | dabreegster | takatumi: alsa didnt mix right for me |
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| 21:13.27 | Pappa | i was just pointing out the redundancy of a sound server on modern cards |
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| 21:13.37 | directhex | dabreegster, best option? an emu10k1-based sound card. second best is alsa with dmix, then jack, then arts. esd is at the bottom by far |
| 21:13.52 | p8m | Sound servers are nice for network-transparency |
| 21:14.04 | tarzeau | bable babble |
| 21:14.06 | paulswm | not so Enlightened, the sound daemon |
| 21:14.13 | dabreegster | esd has always worked for me. Can't notice any quality loss and that's with some pretty equipment |
| 21:14.14 | FunnyLookinHat | if i get alsa with synaptic... should I do something to remove esd? |
| 21:14.22 | tarzeau | debian really really really sucks |
| 21:14.31 | dabreegster | tarzeau: stop trolling |
| 21:14.37 | tarzeau | dabreegster: fuck off |
| 21:14.42 | Pappa | FunnyLookinHat: esd comes with gnome. |
| 21:14.48 | helix | tarzeau: what's your problem today? |
| 21:14.56 | mohohaha | try SDL, it always work |
| 21:14.57 | tarzeau | helix: nothing, i'm fine |
| 21:15.11 | helix | I don't think that's true |
| 21:15.15 | tarzeau | helix: it's just funny how people get pissed when i say something. and not at all if someone else says the same thing |
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| 21:15.19 | vollmer | rancor: hmm goggle seems to have failed me, can you give me a generic example of the command line argument you'd use to pass settings to a specific module? |
| 21:15.21 | tarzeau | helix: and wow, you're right |
| 21:15.32 | paulswm | helix: He's been here all day and it's Sunday, that's enough to drive anyone close to psychosis |
| 21:15.41 | streuner | haha |
| 21:15.42 | helix | paulswm: yeah, guess so |
| 21:15.44 | mohohaha | omg, guess what... debian sux |
| 21:15.50 | tarzeau | mohohaha: DIE! |
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| 21:15.53 | helix | just because I don't banninate the second I glance in the window doesn't mean anything |
| 21:16.00 | gravity | mohohaha: Just stop please |
| 21:16.03 | takatumi | emu10k1-based cards sound very rare, I must be lucky to get the Ali5451 which just works as well. |
| 21:16.03 | helix | tarzeau: fwiw, usually I give a warning then ban |
| 21:16.03 | tarzeau | helix: it's the 2nd time now |
| 21:16.05 | helix | and now that I've done that |
| 21:16.05 | gravity | It gets old |
| 21:16.10 | tarzeau | helix: you didn't yesterday, and it got worse |
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| 21:16.22 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 21:16.29 | bucky | mohohaha, what's wrong.. a big bsd guy like you can't figure out alsa ? |
| 21:16.34 | helix | tarzeau: the channel didn't disappear or anything. the sky is not falling. |
| 21:16.42 | rancor | vollmer: sorry, i've not had the need to do that myself, but there ought be a way. i'll go poke around |
| 21:16.46 | directhex | argh! sky! |
| 21:17.02 | vollmer | thanks.. I'm going to continue to dig through the googled results |
| 21:17.09 | gravity | directhex: :-) |
| 21:17.27 | shingouz | it's not like moho sounds as bad as the gnaa-crap we saw here |
| 21:17.50 | helix | yeah |
| 21:17.56 | helix | a lot of times you can tell people to stop and they will |
| 21:17.58 | |cA|Slasher | hey, how do you set up pppoe on the net install? |
| 21:18.06 | helix | but in general, lots of the regulars here make things *worse* |
| 21:18.08 | green_earz | vollmer: here a debian module howto it what you need ?? http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/hardware.html |
| 21:18.10 | shingouz | true, sometimes they actually listen too |
| 21:18.15 | helix | and IMO, occasionally deserve to be banned themselves |
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| 21:18.32 | helix | so <newb> fuck off! is worse than <regular> fuck off! ... how? |
| 21:18.38 | streuner | nobody did suggest to say such things to them |
| 21:18.44 | takatumi | google is toying with search histories, it would be nice if the past 5 years or search results were available to you, probably a good match of your interests at that time. |
| 21:18.55 | paulswm | end |
| 21:18.55 | vollmer | green_earz: thanks I'll read that as well |
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| 21:19.02 | green_earz | ok |
| 21:19.03 | tarzeau | true, good night |
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| 21:19.27 | directhex | paulswm, we know the world is going to end before sarge releases, consider that the sun only has finite time before it engulfs us in flame |
| 21:19.42 | takatumi | paulswm: the mayan calendar, 2012 seems plausible. |
| 21:19.57 | paulswm | takatumi: Yes, December 21st 2012 IIRC |
| 21:20.24 | green_earz | vollmer; it show examples of modprobe with arguments so it may be of use to you |
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| 21:22.35 | nksen | is the file-size for nfs mounts limited? |
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| 21:24.30 | vollmer | ah ha! http://www.linuxvalley.it/encyclopedia/meteokernel/kernel24/doc24/sound/PAS16 has the answer, it's sb=<io>,<irq>,<dma1>,<dma2> |
| 21:24.41 | Rile | whats a good newsgroup reader? |
| 21:24.51 | vollmer | thanks for the hint on what to search for rancor |
| 21:24.52 | paulswm | Rile: I like pan |
| 21:24.59 | p8m | emacs |
| 21:25.02 | Wowzer | Hello all. For some reason webmin stopped working when I apt-get upgrade. Now webmin doens't listen to port 10000. How can I reconfigure it? |
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| 21:25.25 | jose | hello everybody |
| 21:25.54 | rancor | vollmer: cool, thats how i thought it worked. |
| 21:25.55 | Rile | ok, thanks |
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| 21:26.05 | paulswm | Rile: yw |
| 21:26.37 | rancor | rile: rn, or better yet gnus |
| 21:26.46 | green_earz | Wowzer: can you login on localhost ? |
| 21:26.56 | Rile | are both gui? |
| 21:27.15 | Wowzer | green- I have a clui and lynx wont support https. ;-( |
| 21:27.16 | rancor | rile: neither |
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| 21:27.32 | caphuso | Wowzer: install lynx-ssl |
| 21:27.38 | Wowzer | netstat doesn't show port 10000 being listened |
| 21:27.44 | Wowzer | k...tring lynx-ssl |
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| 21:28.07 | Rile | shoot, i want a gui newgroup reader, like thunderbirds except with message grouping |
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| 21:28.18 | paulswm | Rile: If you want a modern newsreader which supports decoding of attachments, etc., use pan, is my opinion anyway |
| 21:28.25 | shingouz | Rile: try sylpheed, it can do mail too |
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| 21:29.08 | rancor | EvilSporkMan: nice nick |
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| 21:29.21 | EvilSporkMan | rancor: thanks? |
| 21:29.40 | madclicker | takatumi: u there |
| 21:29.49 | Neverm1nd | yarg |
| 21:29.50 | green_earz | Wowzer: as root /etc/init.d/webmin restart |
| 21:29.53 | rancor | !sarcastic |
| 21:30.05 | takatumi | madclicker: ? |
| 21:30.06 | Neverm1nd | so friggin complicated |
| 21:30.16 | EvilSporkMan | rancor: uh, whatever dude |
| 21:30.35 | paulswm | !nickometer EvilSporkMan |
| 21:30.36 | Wowzer | green- ok...will try...installing lynx-ssl first. |
| 21:30.39 | dpkg | 'EvilSporkMan' is 99.830% lame, paulswm |
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| 21:30.53 | madclicker | takatumi: i just spoke to a fellow over @ alsa, it looks like cmi9880 is a X winmodem solution |
| 21:31.05 | takatumi | madclicker: yikes. |
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| 21:31.19 | EvilSporkMan | paulswm: fine, let's all mock me. |
| 21:31.40 | madclicker | takatumi: it is all software based, cant use volume control u need to use "softvol" from alsa |
| 21:31.56 | paulswm | EvilSporkMan: j/k of course |
| 21:32.11 | madclicker | takatumi: so it is going to be a biatch for the dev folks. |
| 21:32.38 | Wowzer | as root, /etc/init.d/webmin restart outputs command not found. |
| 21:32.41 | takatumi | madclicker: yeah, those things need to die. |
| 21:32.43 | EvilSporkMan | paulswm: how does that nickometer algorithm work? |
| 21:32.48 | Wowzer | apt-get install webmin outputs, webmin already installed. |
| 21:32.52 | clojster | LINUX RULEZZ |
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| 21:32.53 | clojster | :)) |
| 21:33.12 | clojster | I'm really more and more addicted to it |
| 21:33.26 | madclicker | takatumi: no hardware mixing, altough it seems to pump sound OK in MS |
| 21:33.35 | mike_ | hi, how do i find out what is using my sound card? |
| 21:33.36 | gaasfet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.41 | Wowzer | lynx-ssl reports unable to connect to host. (https://localhost:10000) |
| 21:33.50 | gravity | mike_: lsof /dev/mixer maybe? |
| 21:33.51 | madclicker | takatumi: greef o mighty |
| 21:33.56 | clojster | Hey ppl, do you have any usefull scripts? |
| 21:34.13 | gravity | clojster: Er... for what? |
| 21:34.17 | green_earz | Wowzer: is webmin on a remote machine if so ssh in and you can lynx https://127.0.0.1:10000/ with the standard lynx. not a very smooth way but works |
| 21:34.22 | EvilSporkMan | clojster: alias delete=rm |
| 21:34.30 | clojster | gRaou: for anything... |
| 21:34.33 | EvilSporkMan | clojster: best script EVER |
| 21:34.35 | mike_ | gravity: nope, didn't work |
| 21:34.40 | clojster | EvilSporkMan: heh |
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| 21:34.58 | takatumi | madclicker: I almost managed to do a sarge install over dial-up with a winmodem, pain-o-mighty. |
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| 21:35.48 | clojster | EvilSporkMan: I like rm... no need to make it longer than 2 characters :) |
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| 21:36.17 | Wowzer | green_earz- I just installed lynx-ssl. When I try to login https://127.0.0.1:10000 lynx outputs Alert, unable to connect to host. |
| 21:36.31 | gravity | Ugh... just when I have an answer for him, he leaves |
| 21:36.33 | gravity | Dumbass |
| 21:36.33 | Neverm1nd | how can cpp-2.95 depend on cpp and cpp depend on cpp-2.95 |
| 21:36.38 | gravity | Why are people so impatient for their answer? |
| 21:36.41 | clojster | I'd like to uninstall glftpd... do you know how to do it? I dodn't find it via google |
| 21:36.42 | chealer | alias ls=echo 'Debian rules';ls |
| 21:37.01 | EvilSporkMan | paulswm: is lameness a function of number of words in nick? |
| 21:37.11 | skx | clojster: dpkg --purge glftpd |
| 21:37.12 | gravity | clojster: Use aptitude |
| 21:37.14 | gravity | Or dpkg |
| 21:37.16 | gravity | Or apt-get |
| 21:37.18 | gravity | Or whatever else |
| 21:37.21 | noroute | I want to use my Mac Keyboard wiht i386 Debian. I'm using the german mac keymaps and all the special chars like |}{ and the like are missing. I want them to work the mac way (e.g. ALT+7 for |). Is there a keymap that does this (both console and X11) or do I have to make one myself? |
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| 21:37.44 | clojster | skx, gravity: I didn't install it via debian packages |
| 21:37.46 | Neverm1nd | I cant apt get a damn thing untill I get my network card drivers installed |
| 21:37.53 | EvilSporkMan | hmm...i've never been able to figure this out. how does one type a special character in linux? In windows, you do alt+ascii code |
| 21:37.55 | gravity | clojster: How did you isntall it? |
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| 21:38.00 | skx | rm `locate -i glftpd` ? ;) |
| 21:38.03 | gravity | clojster: If it was a tarball, you'll just have to go through and rm it |
| 21:38.11 | aardvark | ßadger |
| 21:38.13 | green_earz | Wowzer: is webmin on a remote box ? if so ssh and then run lynx |
| 21:38.24 | shingouz | noroute: is it even possible physically? maybe if the keyboard is usb but installing an adb keyboard should be impossible |
| 21:38.24 | Wowzer | k. |
| 21:38.30 | clojster | gravity: with their own installer... but never a notice on how to uninstall it |
| 21:38.45 | gravity | clojster: "their own installer" being...? |
| 21:38.49 | EvilSporkMan | aardvark: damn germans =P |
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| 21:39.24 | aardvark | !dachs EvilSporkMan |
| 21:39.24 | dpkg | EvilSporkMan: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
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| 21:39.40 | Wowzer | ssh into remote box. used lynx, same response, Alert Unable to connect to host. |
| 21:39.49 | noroute | EvilSporkMan: I meant the "short way" for e.g. brackets (on german keyboards). |
| 21:39.52 | clojster | gravity: it was text-based installer... sh script. but they mention anything about uninstalling novhere in archive |
| 21:39.59 | streuner | EvilSporkMan: you don't like germans? |
| 21:40.15 | clojster | gravity: sorry my english |
| 21:40.20 | green_earz | Wowzer: /etc/init.d/webmin restart |
| 21:40.28 | rancor | EvilSporkMan: xenophobia is bad! |
| 21:40.45 | gravity | clojster: Sounds like you just have to find out what it installed and go uninstall it with rm |
| 21:40.50 | clojster | gravity: they didn't mention anything about uninstalling anywhere in archive nor docs |
| 21:40.57 | EvilSporkMan | streuner, rancor: aardvark was mocking me because I asked how to type special characters |
| 21:41.05 | Wowzer | bash: /etc/init.d/webmin: No such file or directory |
| 21:41.08 | EvilSporkMan | noroute: i wasn't talking to you, sorry |
| 21:41.15 | aardvark | rancor: coming from a USian... |
| 21:41.23 | seldon | Well, I can't blame him, after Ratzinger got pope, I figure I'd be angry at us as well. ;P |
| 21:41.31 | clojster | gravity: I did it, but there still remains something: to my myil spool are arriving mails |
| 21:41.37 | rancor | EvilSporkMan: OO.org charpicker? |
| 21:41.48 | noroute | shingouz: Why should it. I got an usb mac keyboard working on my debian box (even hotpluggable), only brackets and the like missing. |
| 21:41.52 | EvilSporkMan | rancor: bleck. no easy way to do it, then? |
| 21:42.03 | clojster | gravity: this mails: /bin/sh: line 1: /usr/local/glftpd/bin/reset: No such file or directory |
| 21:42.13 | rancor | EvilSporkMan: not that i know of |
| 21:42.21 | gravity | clojster: Well, I have no experience at all with this program, so I'm guessing you missed a few pieces that it installed. You may want to look at their install shell script to see what it did so you can undo it |
| 21:42.26 | clojster | gravity: its from Cron Daemon |
| 21:42.27 | shingouz | noroute: usb. that is the keyword here. adb on the other hand... ;) |
| 21:42.54 | gravity | clojster: Then remove the cron job |
| 21:43.00 | noroute | shingouz: yes. |
| 21:43.18 | clojster | gravity: can u pls tell me how to do it? I have no experience with cron |
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| 21:43.26 | green_earz | Wowzer, can you cd to /etc/init.d and see webmin ? |
| 21:43.39 | Wowzer | no webmin in /etc/init.d/ |
| 21:43.47 | rancor | clojster: crontab -e |
| 21:43.52 | seldon | EvilSporkMan: It really depends on the program. In xchat for example, you hold Ctrl-Shift, then type the hex-code. It may well be that other programs work the same way. |
| 21:43.53 | Wowzer | something really screwed up, I think. ;-( |
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| 21:44.21 | green_earz | Wowzer: apt-get reinstall webmin |
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| 21:44.55 | EvilSporkMan | seldon: that appears to be a GTK feature. thanks! |
| 21:44.56 | gravity | !webmin |
| 21:44.56 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 21:45.04 | clojster | rancor: thanks.... to remove the job I have to remove whole line? |
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| 21:45.14 | clojster | rancor: 0 0 * * * /usr/local/glftpd/bin/reset -e |
| 21:45.35 | rancor | clojster: yes |
| 21:45.39 | js_ | clojster: put a # at the beginning of the line to comment it out |
| 21:45.43 | Wowzer | dpkg- I know, but this is not a very important box...just wanted to have something that will be easy to work. |
| 21:45.58 | JoshH | lol |
| 21:45.59 | clojster | rancor: js_: thanks |
| 21:46.02 | js_ | Wowzer: dpkg is a bot |
| 21:46.07 | paulswm | Heh |
| 21:46.18 | clojster | !webmin |
| 21:46.18 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 21:46.34 | clojster | good... what are avilable commands for this bot? |
| 21:46.35 | paulswm | :botabuse |
| 21:46.39 | paulswm | !botabuse |
| 21:46.39 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 21:46.41 | EvilSporkMan | on my new system here, cdparanoia is showing +s constantly while ripping with the occasional ! thrown in for good measure, and it's done this on all 3 CDs I've ripped thus far. is this a problem with the drive? |
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| 21:47.24 | Wowzer | heheh...does the word webmin trigger the bot? |
| 21:47.26 | clojster | !commands |
| 21:47.31 | paulswm | clojster: /msg dpkg help |
| 21:47.43 | rancor | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.47 | EvilSporkMan | paulswm: i thought help didn't show the fun commands |
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| 21:48.01 | clojster | thanks |
| 21:48.15 | JoshH | aww, ya killed him! |
| 21:48.16 | seldon | EvilSporkMan: Either the CDs are copy-protected, or yes. I'd check dmesg for ATA errors |
| 21:48.26 | Neverm1nd | "Makefile:62: *** Linux kernel source not found. stop." |
| 21:48.30 | Wowzer | too funny! we killed the bot. |
| 21:48.44 | green_earz | Wowzer: no its was clojster that bot it up i think ? |
| 21:48.49 | Wowzer | didn't realize he was a bot... |
| 21:48.49 | paulswm | Actually not funny at all, dpkg is very useful |
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| 21:49.04 | Neverm1nd | What the hell does that mean |
| 21:49.21 | spo0nman | anyone tried using a canon sd300 with debian? |
| 21:49.26 | EvilSporkMan | seldon: no errors, and copy protection on CDs wouldn't cause jitter, and some of them are too old to be copy protected |
| 21:49.29 | chealer | dondelelcaro: bot alert, dpkg is gone! |
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| 21:49.41 | clojster | me? how did I kill him?? |
| 21:49.44 | streuner | Neverm1nd: exactly what the error told you? |
| 21:49.47 | paulswm | Neverm1nd: It means that the Linux kernel source wasn't found |
| 21:49.49 | Agrajag_ | assuming I have rescue disk, how do I reset the root password? |
| 21:49.54 | paulswm | *sigh* |
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| 21:50.13 | Neverm1nd | arrg, how do I direct the make file to the debian source? |
| 21:50.15 | seldon | Are there any scratches on the CDs or something? |
| 21:50.19 | debutaunt | Agrajag_, it's in the faq in the topic |
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| 21:50.42 | EvilSporkMan | seldon: slightly, but even if there are scratches cdparanoia normally copes |
| 21:50.46 | Neverm1nd | nm, that means Ill have to download the debian source, which is huge |
| 21:50.56 | Neverm1nd | fark |
| 21:50.56 | Agrajag_ | debutaunt: how do I see that? |
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| 21:51.29 | rancor | Neverm1nd: do you have a /usr/src/linux symlink? |
| 21:51.42 | seldon | Can you play the CDs then? Or does the drive produce read errors when you're not using cdparanoia? |
| 21:51.47 | pngwn | Agrajag_ http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:52.36 | Neverm1nd | I dont have anything under linux |
| 21:52.46 | Neverm1nd | I mean I dont have anything under usr/src |
| 21:53.11 | EvilSporkMan | seldon: it's ripping fine, i even played a DVD in one of the drives - these are correctable errors. however, they are unusual. |
| 21:53.11 | seldon | Neverm1nd: You probably just need the kernel headers |
| 21:53.13 | Neverm1nd | All I want is my stupid nic card to work so I can net install, ive been fucking with this for too long |
| 21:53.23 | rixth | 48% of my memory is 'in cache' with 100% in use. That can't be normal... How can I 'recover' some of it |
| 21:53.36 | rancor | Neverm1nd: /usr/src/linux should be linked to the place you stuck the source |
| 21:53.42 | rixth | (I have 512mb with 0.1% swap usage |
| 21:53.48 | EvilSporkMan | rixth: the cached stuff will be freed as needed...you don't have any swap in use, right? |
| 21:53.52 | mikeX | rixth, don't worry, caching memory is not bad |
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| 21:54.15 | mikeX | rixth, it's happening because you have it available |
| 21:54.29 | rixth | Well, after my computer has been up for a few days, it goes very sluggish, but I never get anything more that .1% swap usage |
| 21:54.40 | Neverm1nd | kernel headers, eh? What packages do I need for the kernel headers? |
| 21:55.06 | rixth | Mem: 503 500 3 Swap: 698 0 697 |
| 21:55.09 | paulswm | rixth: unused memory is useless, so Linux uses spare memory to cache stuff in an attempt to improve performance by reducing disk accesses, it will give memory back when needed by reducing the cache |
| 21:55.13 | seldon | EvilSporkMan: I'm at a loss then. Check your logs, see if you find anything unusual. If the kernel infds something unusual, then it should appear there. |
| 21:55.17 | EvilSporkMan | rixth: hmm, it sounds like memory leakage, but if you're not using swap that's not it |
| 21:55.27 | seldon | Neverm1nd: Depends on what kernel-image package you have |
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| 21:55.48 | seldon | What does dpkg -l kernel-image\* say? |
| 21:56.00 | rixth | Closing firefox freed up 2%! |
| 21:56.04 | warhead | I download installer for C&C Generals, I put CD1, but when I start ./generals_1.07-english.run, I have msg. "Please mount Generals Disc1" |
| 21:56.12 | warhead | ups...wrong window |
| 21:56.19 | Agrajag_ | can't find anything about resetting root password on wiki |
| 21:56.26 | streuner | haha |
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| 21:56.45 | rancor | Agrajag_: read the intstall manual |
| 21:56.56 | streuner | !listkeys forgot |
| 21:57.09 | EvilSporkMan | rixth: you have plenty of RAM for desktop usage...are you running KDE or GNOME? AMD64? |
| 21:57.12 | streuner | apt, listkeys forgot |
| 21:57.23 | paulswm | streuner: dpkg is dead |
| 21:57.26 | rixth | Gnome, AMD 2800+ (non 64) |
| 21:57.26 | streuner | apt, i forgot root's password |
| 21:57.27 | apt | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. ... |
| 21:57.33 | streuner | paulswm: i know |
| 21:57.43 | streuner | paulswm: an habit |
| 21:57.49 | paulswm | streuner: Sorry, thought you may have missed it |
| 21:57.54 | valdyn | rixth: this is completely expected and normal behaviour ( what is happening in your memory ), sluggishness must have anotehr reason |
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| 21:58.08 | rixth | They need to fix the bug "dkpg forget all" makes him crSh |
| 21:58.26 | clojster | no flame, I just wanna know what ICR client do you use?? |
| 21:58.33 | EvilSporkMan | rixth: and now fixing it is that much more urgent |
| 21:58.38 | rixth | valdyn, I'll just have to wait a few days for it to happen so we can find out the cause |
| 21:58.41 | Neverm1nd | "dpkg -l kernel-image\*" produces "No packages found matching kernel-image*." |
| 21:58.51 | Agrajag_ | streuner: oh thank you for not making me take two hours to sort that out |
| 21:58.57 | valdyn | rixth: its probably just a cron job running |
| 21:59.00 | paulswm | clojster: I personally use X-Chat |
| 21:59.09 | seldon | Neverm1nd: Hm. What does uname -r say, then? |
| 21:59.09 | streuner | Agrajag-: np |
| 21:59.23 | clojster | paulswm: thanks for answer |
| 21:59.24 | rixth | EvilSporkMan, I do run Apache, PHP & MySQL but my site gets about 10-15 hits a day (woot) so that's not it. Kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 21:59.38 | Neverm1nd | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 21:59.40 | Agrajag_ | I hope the next version of the rescue disk has a more obvious way to do that, it must be near the top of the list of uses for rescue disk |
| 21:59.42 | EvilSporkMan | have you tried running top when the system is sluggish? |
| 21:59.46 | EvilSporkMan | ^ @ rixth |
| 21:59.47 | paulswm | clojster: You're welcome |
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| 21:59.59 | streuner | !tell Neverm1nd about real kernel |
| 22:00.07 | streuner | see i always use dpkg... |
| 22:00.14 | rixth | EvilSporkMan, yeah. The problem isn't high cpu usage, everything just goes slow. |
| 22:00.14 | seldon | Neverm1nd: Ah, I see. wait a sec, I'll have to look that one up |
| 22:00.17 | streuner | @tell Neverm1nd about real kernel |
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| 22:00.32 | Shay | oh damn |
| 22:00.34 | EvilSporkMan | rixth: process table isn't slow? |
| 22:00.35 | Shay | a systemadmin |
| 22:00.42 | EvilSporkMan | rixth: er, full |
| 22:00.42 | valdyn | rixth: and your disk is being in use? |
| 22:00.49 | systemadmin | what is good software to check for intrusion? |
| 22:00.56 | seldon | OK, it's as I figured. The package is named kernel-headers-2.2.20-idepci |
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| 22:01.13 | seldon | You may want to upgrade to a more recent kernel, though... |
| 22:01.13 | rixth | http://spectrumenterprises.org/playground/php/free.php plently of HDD space. |
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| 22:01.28 | Wyzard | serialkiller: snort, tripwire, debsums, chkrootkit... depending on what sort of "checking" you mean |
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| 22:01.39 | valdyn | rixth: is in in heavy use while your system is being sluggish? |
| 22:01.40 | rixth | EvilSporkMan, process table full? I'm relativly new to Linux |
| 22:01.46 | serialkiller | ok i have chkrootkit in an running |
| 22:02.01 | Neverm1nd | Its just on there for a net install, but I cant net install a damn thing if I cant get my nic card working. And the only way to get the nic card working is compiling a driver. So wdf do I do with that? |
| 22:02.07 | rixth | valdyn, no! Not at all, but say, clicking on the file manager it takes a couple seconds to open |
| 22:02.17 | serialkiller | basically some background monitoring to see if someone is trying to bruteforce logins and that |
| 22:02.20 | Neverm1nd | pooooooop!!! |
| 22:02.26 | rixth | It happens after about 5days |
| 22:02.31 | Wyzard | serialkiller: For that, you want snort |
| 22:02.32 | valdyn | rixth: it may be swapped out at that point |
| 22:02.33 | EvilSporkMan | rixth: if some process is misbehaving, the list top shows could get very long - lots of copies of the same process. this will make things generally unhappy |
| 22:02.33 | mikeX | Neverm1nd, compile the driver and put it in floppy? |
| 22:02.34 | seldon | Neverm1nd: What nic is that? |
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| 22:03.00 | rixth | valdyn, EvilSporkMan, I guess I'll just have to wait for it to go bad so I can find out ^_^ |
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| 22:03.34 | EvilSporkMan | rixth: yep...gotta reproduce the bug to get it fixed. finding a way to make it go bad much much faster would help as well |
| 22:03.37 | valdyn | rixth: yea, and use top, theres quite a few possible debian cronjobs which will not load your cpu at all but may still make your system fee sluggish |
| 22:03.43 | Neverm1nd | its an onboard laptop nic, with an Intel 82559 chip |
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| 22:04.02 | rixth | What exactly IS a cron job? |
| 22:04.08 | rixth | !tell rixth about cron jobs |
| 22:04.13 | EvilSporkMan | rixth: "scheduled task" |
| 22:04.27 | EvilSporkMan | rixth: and don't use !tell for yourself...you wanted /msg dpkg cron there |
| 22:04.30 | valdyn | rixth: its scheduled tasks, usually maintainance related |
| 22:04.33 | streuner | cron - daemon to execute scheduled commands |
| 22:04.51 | valdyn | rixth: like, "locate" program relies on a database, that is updated in a cron job |
| 22:04.59 | rixth | Oh okay. Come to #rixth and I'll post my cuirrent top |
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| 22:05.15 | serialkiller | if i ernable snort on eth0 will that also cover all virtuals in t eth0 or do i have to list them seperatly? |
| 22:05.35 | cakoose | What do I have to do to build a platform-independent package. When I run dpkg-buildpackage, I get an i386 .deb file. |
| 22:05.45 | valdyn | rixth: no point if you system isnt sluggish right now |
| 22:05.47 | seldon | Neverm1nd: It may be that the woody 2.4 kernel recognizes that card. try booting the bf24 kernel |
| 22:06.27 | Fo | hmm |
| 22:06.27 | EvilSporkMan | cakoose: no such thing unless it's java or a perl script or something of that nature or just data files |
| 22:06.30 | Neverm1nd | thx for the help, ill try it |
| 22:06.34 | seldon | If that doesn't help, try sarge. I know it's not released yet, but it's really stable, and it has 2.6.8 for a kernel, and I just happen to know it recognizes that nic ;P |
| 22:06.36 | cakoose | EvilSporkMan: Yeah, it's all Java |
| 22:06.41 | Wyzard | serialkiller: It should catch everything on that physical network, but read the docs |
| 22:06.43 | rixth | valdyn, take alook anyway? Could be an obvious problem |
| 22:06.56 | EvilSporkMan | cakoose: never mind then, I don't know...sorry |
| 22:07.13 | valdyn | rixth: paste away |
| 22:07.48 | serialkiller | ok thanks |
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| 22:07.57 | Neverm1nd | im trying sarge now, tell you what happens |
| 22:08.11 | seldon | feed http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-1.jigdo to jigdo, and you'll get the iso image you need |
| 22:08.27 | seldon | or...wait a sec |
| 22:08.33 | seldon | there probably is a netinstall image somewhere |
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| 22:08.58 | streuner | dpkg, wb |
| 22:08.58 | dpkg | thanks, streuner. It's good to be back. |
| 22:09.07 | valdyn | rixth: upwards of 10 seconds right now? |
| 22:09.26 | valdyn | rixth: depending on your system, thats not unusual |
| 22:09.49 | seldon | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso <-- that one |
| 22:10.04 | rixth | valdyn, yes, and striaght mozilla is taking about 7. valdyn, XP 2800+, 512mb 400mhz, 80gb PATA. |
| 22:10.08 | Fo | I've migrated today from 2.2.20 to 2.6.11 + gcc 3.4.3 and I wanted to compile gettext from sources ... and it sezz : C# : compiler not found , try installing pnet, then reconfigure - do I must install pnet ? :/ |
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| 22:10.11 | rixth | Not the fastests but no fool either |
| 22:10.15 | Agrajag_ | hmm, I have a note written to myself from the last time login got broken in unstable |
| 22:10.22 | Agrajag_ | and now I don't fully understand it |
| 22:10.33 | valdyn | rixth: you can use prelink to speed this up a little |
| 22:10.49 | rixth | prelink? |
| 22:10.50 | Agrajag_ | it says to use -b option at boot time, which I remember worked like a charm |
| 22:11.03 | Agrajag_ | but where did that option go? |
| 22:11.03 | valdyn | rixth: apt-cache show prelink |
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| 22:11.54 | caphuso | Agrajag_: your note taking ability sucks :-) |
| 22:12.36 | Agrajag_ | caphuso: yes, well it made sense the first couple times I reread it after writing it |
| 22:12.38 | rixth | valdyn, would a restart be needed to bring it into effect? |
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| 22:12.57 | valdyn | rixth: no, read its documentation |
| 22:12.58 | Agrajag_ | caphuso: and I've been carefully saving it in my desk drawer ever since... |
| 22:13.08 | valdyn | rixth: or wait for its cron job to be executed overnight |
| 22:13.19 | caphuso | Agrajag_: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 22:13.25 | fluor- | oi-polloi: any relation with the band? |
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| 22:13.41 | valdyn | rixth: it has to prepare each library / executable so "getting it up" takes a while |
| 22:13.44 | Agrajag_ | caphuso: I got that thanks |
| 22:13.55 | Agrajag_ | caphuso: this is for a slightly different case |
| 22:14.04 | neo10-cz | hola |
| 22:14.10 | mikeX | valdyn, do you have any stats about prelink? |
| 22:14.13 | rixth | valdyn, thanks, I'll report back how it goes |
| 22:14.15 | neo10-cz | I need help with mrtg.. PLS |
| 22:14.26 | valdyn | mikeX: no |
| 22:14.28 | neo10-cz | Is anyone here, who can help me? |
| 22:14.29 | Fo | anybody had some problems with compiling something after migrating to 2.6.X ? |
| 22:14.31 | Agrajag_ | caphuso: when login is somehow broken (which seems to happen once or twrice per unstable usually) you can't upgrade packages |
| 22:14.52 | Agrajag_ | caphuso: so it stays broken until you learn this incantation |
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| 22:15.08 | mikeX | i hope this can make firefox start faster : ( |
| 22:15.12 | streuner | Fo: what's wrong with the official kernel-images? |
| 22:15.17 | neo10-cz | halo |
| 22:15.26 | Agrajag_ | caphuso: another thing that dpkg should be taught about if I remembered how it works |
| 22:15.32 | neo10-cz | I have problem :( .. mrtg.. |
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| 22:15.40 | gravity | neo10-cz: Just ask your question. If someone can help you, they will. |
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| 22:15.43 | neo10-cz | ERROR: Target[server.memory][_IN_] ' $target->[9]{$mode} ' did not eval into defined data |
| 22:15.43 | neo10-cz | ERROR: Target[server.memory][_OUT_] ' $target->[9]{$mode} ' did not eval into defined data |
| 22:15.49 | neo10-cz | :( |
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| 22:15.54 | neo10-cz | I want monitoring free memory.. |
| 22:16.02 | gravity | neo10-cz: What is that error message from? |
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| 22:16.22 | relex | hello, i need to brighten a video in debian; can anyone suggest a package or program? |
| 22:16.33 | neo10-cz | gravity: this error message made by mrtg (./mrtg /etc/mrtg.cfg) |
| 22:16.43 | gravity | relex: cinepaint maybe |
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| 22:17.08 | neo10-cz | Target[server.memory]: memAvailReal.0&memTotalReal.0:public@localhost |
| 22:17.09 | neo10-cz | Title[server.memory]: Free Memory |
| 22:17.09 | neo10-cz | PageTop[server.memory]: <H1>Free Memory</H1> |
| 22:17.09 | neo10-cz | MaxBytes[server.memory]: 100000000000 |
| 22:17.09 | neo10-cz | ShortLegend[server.memory]: B |
| 22:17.09 | neo10-cz | YLegend[server.memory]: Bytes |
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| 22:17.39 | drac | !tell neo10-cz about paste |
| 22:17.48 | neo10-cz | drac: Im sorry. |
| 22:17.59 | neo10-cz | I'm using bad irc clinet.. |
| 22:18.01 | neo10-cz | client |
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| 22:18.15 | gravity | No, that's not your problem. |
| 22:18.35 | neo10-cz | gravity: ?... there is problem (mrtg)? |
| 22:18.37 | Fo | streuner : dunno whats wrong, but when I migrated from 2.2.20 to 2.6.11 + gcc 3.4.3 - im getting some problems when compiling for a instance : gettext from sources... |
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| 22:18.45 | redneck | oi |
| 22:18.49 | redneck | alguem fala portugues? |
| 22:18.53 | bbrazil | !br |
| 22:18.53 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:18.54 | neo10-cz | gravity.. : where.. |
| 22:18.57 | gravity | neo10-cz: I don't know anything about mrtg, sorry. But if you're going to paste, you do it in #flood |
| 22:18.58 | streuner | Fo: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 22:19.10 | matt1987 | does anyone know if u can get a soliter game for linux |
| 22:19.13 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:19.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:19.19 | abrotman | matt1987: there are a dozen or more |
| 22:19.20 | neo10-cz | hm |
| 22:19.21 | gravity | neo10-cz: Did you check the BTS? |
| 22:19.22 | neo10-cz | :( |
| 22:19.26 | abrotman | solitaire |
| 22:19.27 | matt1987 | where from |
| 22:19.36 | neo10-cz | gravity: BTS? what is it? |
| 22:19.40 | matt1987 | yeah soltaire |
| 22:19.40 | valdyn | matt1987: apt-cache search solitair |
| 22:19.40 | abrotman | matt1987: apt-cache search solitaire |
| 22:19.42 | matt1987 | thats what i said |
| 22:19.42 | gravity | matt1987: There's one in gnome-games |
| 22:19.53 | gravity | !tell neo10-cz about bts |
| 22:20.04 | Fo | streuner : libc6 version : 2.2.5-11.8 |
| 22:20.07 | matt1987 | oh yeah |
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| 22:20.19 | streuner | Fo: desktop or server? |
| 22:20.39 | Fo | my home machine :P |
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| 22:20.46 | neo10-cz | Is anybody here, who can help me with mrtg (monitoring free memory). thank |
| 22:20.52 | neo10-cz | plase |
| 22:20.54 | neo10-cz | please |
| 22:20.56 | streuner | Fo: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 22:21.05 | SiliconViper_ | abrotman, seems we are playing irc tag. You're it! |
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| 22:22.12 | cavediver | Hi. |
| 22:22.17 | neo10-cz | Hi |
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| 22:22.41 | Fo | streuner : and what would U say if I said : server ? :> |
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| 22:23.03 | Fo | streuner : gonna install woody on one in few days... |
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| 22:23.12 | streuner | Fo: /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:23.17 | cavediver | Is there a easy way to span tar volumes in 50MB chunks ? I tried the -M -l <size> stuff but it want me to manually specify the name of each volume. I want it more automated. |
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| 22:23.37 | bbrazil | cavediver: split |
| 22:23.41 | streuner | Fo: if you really need an 2.6.x kernel |
| 22:23.43 | abrotman | SiliconViper_: what did i do? |
| 22:23.56 | abrotman | cavediver: man split |
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| 22:24.42 | cavediver | is split some sort of standard way. I need all users, even those on winrar/windows with tar support to be able to unpack it. |
| 22:24.49 | madclicker | what is the package name for gnome system services manager? |
| 22:24.56 | SiliconViper_ | abrotman, I think it all started with... <abrotman> SiliconViper_: WIR, though I can't be sure. |
| 22:25.12 | abrotman | SiliconViper_: oh .. WIR .. yes .. when it's ready :) |
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| 22:26.32 | SiliconViper_ | ... I see, it was a response to someone asking a when will it be ready question, and they had a nick starting with 'Si', and you autocompleted, and got me instead? |
| 22:26.34 | Fo | streuner : ahm, you suggest kernel 2.4.x if no ? |
| 22:26.48 | abrotman | SiliconViper_: maybe .. |
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| 22:27.36 | streuner | Fo: for server 2.2.x unless you have a good reason to use something else |
| 22:27.39 | SiliconViper_ | abrotman, well, I'm not one to ask questions that incite obvious responses. Well, not THAT obvious. So it must have been! Silverwolf, perhaps? |
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| 22:28.01 | SiliconViper_ | I notice a lot of the times people accidentally address me, they mean him/her. |
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| 22:28.06 | Fo | streuner : iptables are available from 2.2.x ? |
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| 22:28.16 | aFlag | hum... i'm starting to think that sarge is a new name for testing, just like sid for unstable |
| 22:28.19 | streuner | Fo: nope |
| 22:28.28 | Fo | streuner : :) |
| 22:28.35 | abrotman | SiliconViper_: dunno .. |
| 22:28.48 | abrotman | SiliconViper_: at least you don't get abauer :) |
| 22:28.55 | SiliconViper_ | abrotman, well, that's the closest I can figure from scrollback. ;p |
| 22:29.00 | SiliconViper_ | abrotman, heh... true. |
| 22:29.13 | aFlag | my eth0 doesn't get uped when i boot :-/ |
| 22:29.14 | abrotman | SiliconViper_: you are right .. it was a misfire |
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| 22:29.38 | aFlag | don't know why, some day it just quit working |
| 22:29.44 | SiliconViper_ | abrotman, so I guess we have to end the enthralling game of tag now, eh? |
| 22:30.02 | abrotman | SiliconViper_: sure .. |
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| 22:30.07 | abrotman | SiliconViper_: but can we play next week |
| 22:30.08 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:30.14 | SiliconViper_ | abrotman, alright then! Been fun! |
| 22:30.25 | SiliconViper_ | abrotman, sure, next week sounds good. Tuesday? |
| 22:31.06 | Hixie | is libgtk2.0-bin 2.6.4-1 known broken, or is it just me? I'm getting unresolved symbols. (latest libgtk2.0-bin on the ftp.no.debian.org mirror) |
| 22:31.11 | abrotman | SiliconViper_: no good .. wednesday :) |
| 22:31.18 | abrotman | Hixie: bts says? |
| 22:31.34 | SiliconViper_ | abrotman, I think I can pencil you in for a game sometime then. Will do. ^_^ |
| 22:31.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:31.45 | Hixie | abrotman: i unfortunately can't browse the web right now since i don't have gtk :-/ |
| 22:31.59 | abrotman | Hixie: no lynx? |
| 22:32.01 | abrotman | or links ? |
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| 22:32.46 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0-bin |
| 22:32.49 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0-bin sarge |
| 22:32.50 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-bin: (The programs for the GTK+ graphical user interface library), section misc, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
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| 22:32.53 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-bin: (The programs for the GTK+ graphical user interface library), section misc, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
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| 22:33.53 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Telnet to port 80! |
| 22:33.56 | Hixie | hm, bug 302213 seems relevant |
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| 22:34.34 | abrotman | Hixie: welcome to the world wide web! .. long live 1992!!! |
| 22:34.46 | maher | who can name a usb wireless adapter which is supported by a standard x86 sarge kernel |
| 22:35.22 | scarynetworkguy | Yay for 1992! |
| 22:35.28 | mwilson | When did GTK become required to browse the web? |
| 22:35.43 | Hixie | abrotman: i'm familiar with the world wide web, i'm a w3c member :-P |
| 22:35.44 | mwilson | Did I miss something? |
| 22:36.42 | Hixie | huh |
| 22:36.45 | abrotman | Hixie: but lynx!! |
| 22:37.04 | Hixie | so that bug report did help, there are random glib files in my /usr/local/lib/ |
| 22:37.07 | Fo | stupid question : where can i get ld sources ? i need to upgrade it but i cant find it anywhere :/ |
| 22:37.11 | Hixie | i have no idea how that happened though |
| 22:37.20 | mwilson | Why do you think you need to upgrade it? |
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| 22:37.51 | maher | Hixie: dpkg didn't put anything in /usr/local |
| 22:37.54 | Fo | mwilson : because configure glibc2.3.5 says that |
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| 22:38.09 | Hixie | maher: no, i don't imagine it would |
| 22:38.25 | Fo | mwilson : these critical programs are to old or missing : as ld |
| 22:38.29 | maher | Fo: compiling libc is a world of pain - there's probably an easier way to do what youwant |
| 22:38.37 | Hixie | some of these files are dated from before this machine existed, though, so i don't know how they got here |
| 22:38.38 | Hixie | oh well |
| 22:38.51 | mwilson | Fo: Ok, I'll bite... where did you get the fantasy from that you needed to build libc6 yourself? |
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| 22:41.10 | PabloVV | hello, Good night (at least for me), I can make my kde works, can anybody help me???? |
| 22:41.41 | Fo | mwilson : having some problems with compiling firefox - problems with libstdc++.so.5 |
| 22:41.49 | PabloVV | sorry, I can`t do that kde works, can anybody help me |
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| 22:42.08 | mwilson | Why do you think you need to build crapfox yourself? |
| 22:42.24 | dvs | !ops Wolf is a porn spammer |
| 22:42.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Wolf is a porn spammer |
| 22:42.31 | maher | mwilson: you're pretty chatty for a dead guy... |
| 22:42.37 | mwilson | I'm dead? |
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| 22:42.51 | maher | mwilson: * mwilson dies laughing |
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| 22:42.55 | Fo | mwilson : i cant install it by the installer |
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| 22:43.01 | mwilson | Ah. |
| 22:43.03 | maher | Fo: are you using debian |
| 22:43.06 | Guerin | !wayc Fo |
| 22:43.07 | dpkg | Fo: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 22:43.17 | Hixie | well that fixed my gtk problems, now i'm getting assertions when gecko starts pango, yay. |
| 22:43.18 | mwilson | Fo: Why aren't you using the packaged one? |
| 22:43.36 | Hixie | abrotman: thanks for making me RTFM, shoulda tried that first :-) |
| 22:43.49 | PitchForkLinux | what should my fstab line look like for a new hd partition I added that I want anyone to be ables to read and write to? |
| 22:43.52 | mwilson | Hixie: Well, yeah... they're Gnome technologies... you didn't expect them to be well-coded, did you? |
| 22:44.06 | dvs | PitchForkLinux: Depends on the type of file system |
| 22:44.16 | PitchForkLinux | its ext3 |
| 22:44.27 | Guerin | PitchForkLinux: copy an existing one |
| 22:44.36 | PitchForkLinux | ok |
| 22:44.39 | Hixie | mwilson: as a long time mozilla qa type person, no, i'm fully aware of how crappy they are :-) |
| 22:44.47 | Fo | mwilson : packaged one ? |
| 22:44.48 | abrotman | Hixie: okeedokee |
| 22:44.52 | dvs | /dev/hdb5/homeext3defaults02 |
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| 22:45.22 | PitchForkLinux | thanks all |
| 22:45.27 | Hixie | mwilson: who did that? |
| 22:45.37 | Guerin | heh, I understood the opposite... |
| 22:45.45 | mwilson | It certainly sounded like you were. |
| 22:45.59 | Hixie | i think you misread what i wrote then |
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| 22:46.06 | onre | gnome folks seem to have this funny way of rewriting huge amounts of code in order to "get it right this time" and always failing |
| 22:46.22 | onre | brute force software development |
| 22:46.34 | Debian_it | lol |
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| 22:46.50 | mwilson | onre: But that allows them to close large numbers of bugs as "irrelevant". |
| 22:46.57 | onre | mwilson, yup :D |
| 22:46.58 | dvs | onre: It sounds a lot like the kernel |
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| 22:47.14 | Fo | mwilson : my second day with debian :/ - just wanted to have firefox insted packaged mozilla |
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| 22:47.31 | Guerin | Fo: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 22:47.32 | onre | dvs, indeed. take a look at how "nicely unified" different nic drivers are, for example :> |
| 22:47.33 | mwilson | Fo: And so you wouldn't use packaged crapfox because...? |
| 22:47.37 | tren | Anybody uses 2.6.11.7 kernel ? |
| 22:47.43 | mwilson | !anybody |
| 22:47.43 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:47.44 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 22:47.44 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:47.56 | EvilSporkMan | i'm experiencing an ATAPI transport error while ripping with cdparanoia...how can I correct this? there are errors in dmesg as well |
| 22:48.11 | dvs | onre: I'm thinking more of the sound framework and the OOM killer stuff and the thread scheduler. |
| 22:48.30 | dvs | tren: yup |
| 22:48.42 | Fo | Guerin : apt-get mozilla-firefox : could not find package |
| 22:48.45 | tren | dvs: which one ? |
| 22:48.46 | karsten | MySQL: as root (system, not MySQL), I'm trying to modify/set password on MySQL's root user. But can't. Is there a force-fix? |
| 22:48.48 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: try turning dma on/off on the drive; try dropping the speed down; the drive or ide might be faulty. |
| 22:48.58 | Guerin | Fo: are you using woody? |
| 22:49.03 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: check cable? |
| 22:49.04 | dvs | tren: I thought there was only one 2.6.11.7 kernel. |
| 22:49.08 | Fo | Guerin : yes |
| 22:49.14 | onre | dvs, yup... just happened to look at the network stuff lately. haven't really bothered to look at other internals since early 2.2, they were a mess back then already and i believe they've only messed it up in more creative ways made possible by larger developer base |
| 22:49.16 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: yeah, those sorts of things. |
| 22:49.25 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: yeah, i just built this thing, that's probably it |
| 22:49.31 | tren | dvs: before was of course 2.6.11.6 :) have you preempt enabled ? |
| 22:49.31 | Guerin | !tell Fo about woody->sarge |
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| 22:49.48 | dvs | tren: yup |
| 22:49.50 | Debian_it | I wonder when there will be ntfs write support from linux |
| 22:49.54 | maher | Fo: try backports.org |
| 22:50.00 | gravity | Debian_it: There sort of is |
| 22:50.02 | onre | dvs, and oh yeah. the nice oom killer managed to kill sshd, emergency sshd and apache from one of our webservers just a couple of days ago |
| 22:50.08 | directhex | Debian_it, when microsoft release the ntfs specs under an open license |
| 22:50.10 | drac | tren: enabled here too. |
| 22:50.15 | mwilson | Debian_it: I imagine it's not a particularly high priority. |
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| 22:50.38 | dvs | onre: nice :-> |
| 22:50.38 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: do the errors in dmesg matter? it said something about a media error (bad sector) and then seems to be continually resetting |
| 22:50.45 | tren | dvs: drac: I have problem that this kernel not use swap space :( also same problem with 2.6.11.6. When I boot 2.6.11, no problem with swap space |
| 22:50.49 | Debian_it | directhex: that I agree with :P |
| 22:50.58 | karsten | MySQL password reset: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 22:50.59 | cthulfuego | When they start using winfs ou can uust mount it under mysql |
| 22:51.02 | Hixie | yay, got it all working again |
| 22:51.05 | dvs | tren: I dunno. Mine works. |
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| 22:51.11 | dvs | !beer Hixie |
| 22:51.12 | tren | dvs: drac: have your system used swap space ? (when you working in X ..etc) |
| 22:51.13 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } / irq timeout: error=0x00 / ATAPI reset complete for lots of repetitions |
| 22:51.17 | Hixie | thanks again for the help abrotman |
| 22:51.20 | Hixie | later guys |
| 22:51.23 | karsten | !forgot mysql root password |
| 22:51.23 | dpkg | methinks forgot mysql root password is shutdown mysql. Start mysqld with --skip-grant-tables. Login, mysql -u root. "UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root';" and "FLUSH PRIVILEGES;". |
| 22:51.30 | dvs | tren: No. I have 2GB or RAM. |
| 22:51.33 | onre | dvs, yup. a real skill shot. but the runaway java applet got lots more free pages to allocate. |
| 22:51.39 | dvs | tren: But it does exist |
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| 22:51.41 | jazzanova | hi |
| 22:51.41 | maher | does anyone have a usb wireless adapter that works with a sarge default kernel? |
| 22:51.53 | jazzanova | i am having trouble getting jabber daemon to allow users to register |
| 22:52.00 | dvs | onre: Sounds like it's back to the drawing board. |
| 22:52.11 | cthulfuego | maher: Check the 2.6.8 kernel source for compatible devices |
| 22:52.12 | tren | dvs: And have you ever used any swap space with 2.6.11.7 ? |
| 22:52.15 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: oh, it also dropped to single frame dma |
| 22:52.23 | drac | tren: I have 512mb, and sure, I have 1gb swap, but hardly ever used. |
| 22:52.26 | leonel | any real news about sarge release and please don't tell me to fix bugs or any thing that's not the real cause |
| 22:52.30 | paulswm | directhex: I think the engulfed by the sun thing you mentioned is likely to happen before we can winkle the ntfs specs out of MS |
| 22:52.41 | dvs | tren: swap is configure but I've never ran enough stuff to trigger it. |
| 22:52.56 | onre | dvs, customer-written code, of course. i don't touch java even with a six-foot polearm. niceish language, horrible implementations. back to the drawing board for oom designers, though. they could even do the aix thing and give me some way of specifying what NOT to kill. |
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| 22:53.03 | tren | drac: have you ever used any swap space with 2.6.11.7 ? |
| 22:53.03 | Debian_it | anyone got the ipw2100 based wireless card working under Debian ? the card is an Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter. |
| 22:53.07 | directhex | paulswm, aw :( |
| 22:53.08 | onre | (or is there one already :>) |
| 22:53.12 | directhex | paulswm, how about .doc specs? =] |
| 22:53.15 | drac | tren: Swap: 1048568 2476 1046092 |
| 22:53.22 | drac | tren: from 'free' |
| 22:53.23 | tren | dvs: understand.. |
| 22:53.24 | dvs | onre: Sound like a plan to me. ;-) |
| 22:53.27 | paulswm | heh |
| 22:53.29 | cthulfuego | drac: Requires 3rd party driver. Check sourceforge. |
| 22:53.37 | cthulfuego | Debian_it: Requires 3rd party driver. Check sourceforge. |
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| 22:53.51 | tren | drac: do you have SMP machine ? |
| 22:53.56 | drac | tren: no |
| 22:53.59 | directhex | Debian_it, m-a a-i ipw2100 i think |
| 22:54.01 | maher | cthulfuego: thanks - silly me - i was looking in Documentation... |
| 22:54.02 | resiak | directhex, paulswm: btu we dnt need dem b/c ooo hax0red them!!1 |
| 22:54.04 | atrus | jazzanova: what server version, what sort of problems? |
| 22:54.06 | dvs | Debian_it: Is that a wireless G card? |
| 22:54.12 | directhex | Debian_it, whilst connected t the net via wired or something, evidently |
| 22:54.13 | tren | drac: could you show me your .config ? |
| 22:54.20 | Debian_it | its a pci wireless card, I think B |
| 22:54.24 | paulswm | directhex: The ntfs spec release therefore may be in time to be included when sarge goes stable HAHA |
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| 22:54.26 | dvs | yuck |
| 22:54.30 | abrotman | debhelper: i think there are packages at the site aren't there? |
| 22:54.32 | abrotman | mini-pci cards |
| 22:54.41 | drac | tren: sure, a second. |
| 22:54.42 | shingouz | Debian_it: g. |
| 22:54.42 | directhex | i'm right |
| 22:54.47 | directhex | m-a a-i ipw2100 |
| 22:54.49 | tren | drac: ok, thnx |
| 22:54.51 | jazzanova | atrus: 1.4.2a-1.1 i can't seem to create a profile and connect to the server. |
| 22:54.52 | resiak | !win directhex |
| 22:54.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, directhex! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 22:54.58 | dvs | paulswm: No, the WinFS specs will be available when sarge goes stable :-> |
| 22:55.19 | jazzanova | i see that there is stuff created in /var/lib/jabber/192.168.0.28/boris.xml |
| 22:55.35 | resiak | dvs: No, DNF will release and iTunes will be released for Linux when Sarge goes stable. |
| 22:55.52 | streuner | resiak: well, sounds better than Bagdad :-) |
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| 22:55.54 | Debian_it | I tried the ipw2100 drive from sourceforge, installed firmware, and it still does not work. I mean the system detects the card, I can even scan wireless networks in range, but I can never join a network that has WEP "disabled" |
| 22:55.58 | resiak | streuner: Heh. |
| 22:56.07 | streuner | !win resiak |
| 22:56.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, resiak! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 22:56.14 | Debian_it | shingouz: the 2200 is G, the 2100 is B I believe |
| 22:56.14 | atrus | jazzanova: when does the failure occur, what if any error messages are displayed, and can you check the XML for anything funny related to the error? |
| 22:56.16 | dvs | resiak: No, MS will release software that doesn't suck when sarge becomes stable. |
| 22:56.20 | cowtipz88 | how to i type in action text |
| 22:56.32 | gravity | !repeat |
| 22:56.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions" |
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| 22:56.42 | jazzanova | notthing looks funny -- there is no error message in the log file |
| 22:56.45 | nse | resiak: What's the problem of a one way ticket to Tio de Janeiro? |
| 22:56.47 | streuner | resiak: someone changed the command, usually you got Bagdad... |
| 22:56.51 | onre | "in action text" is typed, well, like "in action text". you did it just right. |
| 22:56.52 | shingouz | cowtipz88: /me action |
| 22:56.58 | resiak | streuner: random it is! |
| 22:57.07 | jazzanova | i get a login fail in record.log |
| 22:57.07 | cowtipz88 | ok thabks |
| 22:57.11 | streuner | resiak: i know |
| 22:57.11 | cowtipz88 | thanks |
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| 22:57.28 | cowtipz88 | ok |
| 22:57.30 | cowtipz88 | got it |
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| 22:57.32 | atrus | ~tell jazzanova about paste |
| 22:57.40 | shingouz | excellent :( |
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| 22:57.53 | atrus | jazzanova: paste the failure part of the log there |
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| 22:58.23 | gravity | shingouz: You've created a monster |
| 22:58.29 | drac | tren: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~sasuomin/config-2.6.11.6-hdr, from my server. and from my desktop, this is exactly same configuration I used for 2.6.11.7 without problems, http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~sasuomin/config-2.6.12-rc3 |
| 22:58.39 | drac | tren: duron 800 and athlon 2200+ |
| 22:58.42 | shingouz | gravity: the monster went away, didn't it |
| 22:58.50 | gravity | shingouz: True :-) |
| 22:58.51 | drac | tren: both 512mb, and 1gb swap |
| 22:58.58 | gravity | After he went poop |
| 22:59.14 | shingouz | gravity: i hope it went to #knoppix or somewhere ;) |
| 22:59.18 | resiak | gravity: It succumbed to you! |
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| 22:59.41 | Debian_it | how can I set up "locale" ? |
| 22:59.50 | maher | Debian_it: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:59.50 | tren | drac: ok, thnx much ..is it standart Linus's kernel without patches..right ? |
| 23:00.16 | Debian_it | maher: tried that, any other place ? |
| 23:00.19 | drac | tren: yes, both are standard. and nothing 'odd' about them, just basic working settings. |
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| 23:00.28 | maher | Debian_it: what's wrong |
| 23:00.44 | tren | drac:ok, thnx, I'll try |
| 23:01.12 | jazzanova | http://paste.husk.org/3111 |
| 23:01.14 | jazzanova | artus |
| 23:01.34 | jazzanova | there is really not much there, visible. |
| 23:01.56 | jazzanova | the last line is the contents of try1.xml |
| 23:02.07 | Debian_it | maher: well when I run lot of commands such as alien, or apt-get install somepackage, I get the error: perl: warning: setting locale faild , then perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C") |
| 23:02.43 | gravity | Debian_it: That probably means that no one has translated that particular program |
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| 23:03.02 | gravity | Of course, I only use English locales, so I'm not sure |
| 23:03.02 | atrus | jazzanova: i need to see the error that's sent to the client. what client are you using? does it have an option to view the xml it's sending and recieving? |
| 23:03.05 | maher | Debian_it: type locale and see what it says |
| 23:03.23 | jazzanova | i can put any client, i have imcom and gabber |
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| 23:03.42 | aFlag | debian sucks, i had my network card working fine and then after some dist-upgrade eth0 doesn't get up on boot time anymore, isn't a bit of inconsistency? |
| 23:03.58 | karsten | aFlag: It sucks less. |
| 23:04.03 | karsten | aFlag: ...and you can apt-get install suck. |
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| 23:04.03 | atrus | jazzanova: what gabber version? |
| 23:04.13 | karsten | aFlag: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:04.23 | Debian_it | maher: ah, it says Cannot set LC_TYPE, LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL to default locale, then it displays the local values, which are different than what I set/want . |
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| 23:04.28 | karsten | aFlag: ...and check dmesg output. Possibly your interface has moved if you have multiple. |
| 23:04.29 | brosio | anyone known a client of emule that works on console and don't need x ? |
| 23:04.35 | aFlag | but i don't even know what it has changed, is it possible to see what changed from one update to another? |
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| 23:04.50 | aFlag | hum, ok, i'll do that |
| 23:04.52 | karsten | PHP4 / drupal: the drupal homepage (index.php) wants to be d/l'd rather than viewed. Apache issue, right? |
| 23:04.57 | maher | Debian_it: use dpkg-reocnfigure locales to set the locals to what you want - then log out and log back inand see if it worked |
| 23:05.05 | resiak | karsten: a2enmod ? |
| 23:05.15 | Debian_it | maher: tried that, still the same for some reason |
| 23:05.20 | karsten | aFlag: Suggestion: don't do the "foo sucks" thing. Describe your problem, find the solution. |
| 23:05.24 | karsten | resiak: ?? |
| 23:05.30 | Debian_it | maher: is there a way to completely reinstall Locale ? |
| 23:05.38 | resiak | karsten: Is php really set up? |
| 23:05.40 | aFlag | i did before, but no one even looked at it :( |
| 23:05.41 | maher | Debian_it: paste the output of locale in #flood |
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| 23:05.49 | karsten | resiak: How would I check? |
| 23:05.54 | karsten | resiak: PHP n00b here. |
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| 23:05.59 | Debian_it | maher: I wish I could, its on a second computer |
| 23:06.11 | aFlag | i thought starting with debian sucks may make it more attractive |
| 23:06.21 | jazzanova | artus: http://paste.husk.org/3113 |
| 23:06.23 | maher | Debian_it: do you have net access on the other computer? just ssh in |
| 23:06.34 | resiak | karsten: I presume you're using apache2, and have installed libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
| 23:06.40 | maher | aFlag: should we start our advice with aFlag sucks? |
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| 23:06.45 | karsten | resiak: apache 1. |
| 23:06.59 | aFlag | maher, no because when you say aflag it already highlights :P |
| 23:07.01 | Debian_it | maherL: I do have web access yes, but have not used #flood so not sure what to do |
| 23:07.18 | karsten | resiak: 1.3.33-4 |
| 23:07.18 | maher | Debian_it: /join #flood and paste away |
| 23:07.30 | karsten | maher: Also paster. |
| 23:07.37 | resiak | karsten: Oh... libapache-mod-php4 then. And you'll need to check that the appropriate handler is set in your apache config |
| 23:07.59 | Debian_it | maher: give me couple seconds to paste it |
| 23:08.01 | maher | aFlag: do you have any devices when you do ifconfig? |
| 23:08.02 | karsten | resiak: ii libapache-mod- 4.3.10-12 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag |
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| 23:08.32 | resiak | karsten: Okay, okay :) Check your config. |
| 23:08.35 | aFlag | maher, when i first log on only lo shows up |
| 23:08.46 | karsten | resiak: For what ;-) |
| 23:08.54 | aFlag | then i do ifconfig eth0 up |
| 23:08.55 | Fo | aFlag : not configured eth ? |
| 23:09.01 | aFlag | and pon and it works |
| 23:09.07 | karsten | resiak: /etc/apache/conf.d/ has a php4.conf in it. |
| 23:09.09 | aFlag | i get eth0 and ppp0 working |
| 23:09.09 | resiak | karsten: For lines about files ending in .php. I don't know the canonical way to do it in apache1, I'm afraid. |
| 23:09.16 | resiak | karsten: Perhaps the FAQ knows? |
| 23:09.18 | resiak | !faq karsten |
| 23:09.19 | dpkg | karsten: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:09.21 | jazzanova | artus: could it be something in the config file ? |
| 23:09.50 | aFlag | i had the pon thing configured in /etc/interfaces as it was told in /usr/include/doc/ppp/Debian.readme |
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| 23:09.53 | maher | aFlag: do you have an auto eth0 line in /etc/networking/interfaces? or use etherconf |
| 23:10.25 | aFlag | i added auto eth0 on the auto lo line, but it didn't work, it should be on it's own line than? |
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| 23:10.45 | maher | aFlag: on its own line |
| 23:10.49 | aFlag | hum... i'll take a look on that etherconf |
| 23:10.55 | Debian_it | maher: done |
| 23:10.56 | Octave_Octet | Hi, I have a source package and I need to compile it with the same options as Debian but with --enable-debug added. What does I need to do |
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| 23:12.16 | karsten | resiak: The FAQ colors! My eyes! |
| 23:12.35 | resiak | karsten: Heh. |
| 23:12.40 | gravity | hehe |
| 23:13.00 | atrus | jazzanova: i don't have it installed here, but check /usr/share/doc/jabber/ ... probabbly README.Debian or something to that effect. I seem to remember needing to do something odd to get it accepting registrations |
| 23:13.07 | adjacent | how do I add proxy support to the apache-ssl installed with apt? i cant find anything on packages, and google recommends recompiling (apt?) |
| 23:13.08 | maher | Debian_it: hrmm... do dpkg-reocnfigure locales and paste what it says in flood |
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| 23:14.12 | Agrajag_ | given hosts A and B, what do I need on each besides ifconfig eth0 <addr> up ; route add -host <addr of other> eth0 |
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| 23:14.22 | jazzanova | atrus: why is there then a file in /var/lib/jabber/192.168.0.28/try1.xml ? is it just a logof a request ? |
| 23:14.24 | Agrajag_ | to get to where I can scp between them |
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| 23:14.35 | pi | how do I undo a patch? |
| 23:14.55 | maher | pi: man patch - probably patch -r or something |
| 23:15.12 | maher | Agrajag-: how are the computers connected? |
| 23:15.29 | cthulfuego | match -R |
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| 23:15.30 | Agrajag_ | maher: ethernet cable |
| 23:15.33 | cthulfuego | patch -R too |
| 23:15.34 | karsten | resiak: Hrm. From /var/log/apache/error.log: [Sun Apr 24 01:30:58 2005] [notice] Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-10 configured -- resuming normal operations |
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| 23:15.45 | atrus | jazzanova: i don't know |
| 23:15.45 | karsten | resiak: but now only: [Sun Apr 24 16:02:47 2005] [notice] Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 23:15.50 | karsten | resiak: So it's apparently lost track of PHP. |
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| 23:16.10 | cthulfuego | karsten: it could also have "expose_php off" in the php.ini file |
| 23:16.14 | maher | Agrajag-: you have plugged a cable into one machine and the other end into the other? |
| 23:16.15 | atrus | jazzanova: you may want to try logging into jabber (on another server if neccesary), and join the jabber@conference.jabber.org room, see if they can help you out there. |
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| 23:16.29 | jazzanova | ok, thanks. |
| 23:16.30 | Agrajag_ | maher: yep |
| 23:16.37 | Debian_it | maher: done |
| 23:16.41 | cthulfuego | karsten: Mine does, so PHP doesn't say it's actually there, even though it works. |
| 23:16.42 | maher | Agrajag-: is it a special cross over cable? |
| 23:17.01 | Debian_it | maher: and I ONLY selected en_us there |
| 23:17.06 | Agrajag_ | maher: but I still get No route to host |
| 23:17.09 | resiak | karsten: I know nothing :) |
| 23:17.12 | maher | Debian_it: you are only generating en locales - youneed to generate the de_de locale |
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| 23:17.16 | Agrajag_ | maher: generic ethercalb so far as I know, does it need to be something special? |
| 23:17.31 | maher | Agrajag-: you need a special cross over cable to get that to work |
| 23:17.44 | Agrajag_ | maher: oh |
| 23:17.46 | mortum | hi |
| 23:17.53 | Agrajag_ | maher: so I need to go buy a repeater |
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| 23:18.10 | maher | Agrajag-: either get a hub and another patch cable, or a special cross over acble |
| 23:18.44 | Agrajag_ | maher: I got it working a couple years ago without a repeater, but that was with thinnet? |
| 23:18.44 | Agrajag_ | maher: ok, thanks very much |
| 23:19.41 | maher | Debian_it: if you do dpkg-reconfigure -plow you should get a screen with a bunch of choices - make sure youselect the de_de ones |
| 23:20.14 | BadMan | what's the commented outl ine at the top of exec sh files? |
| 23:20.25 | Debian_it | maher: thats the point, I dont want any de, I just need en |
| 23:20.25 | BadMan | er exec/executable |
| 23:20.35 | karsten | cthulfuego: It's on. Thanks. |
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| 23:20.40 | maher | BadMan: its a magic line that makes the file a shell script file |
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| 23:20.48 | karsten | cthulfuego: /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 23:20.58 | BadMan | that would be the one Im referring to 8) |
| 23:21.10 | maher | Debian_it: your locale appears to be set to de_DE - set it to something else |
| 23:21.10 | cthulfuego | karsten: Ok, so it's not loading the module. |
| 23:21.10 | Cyis | which $(ARCH) CD image do I need for an AMD 64 processor board? |
| 23:21.27 | cthulfuego | Cyis: http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org OR i386. |
| 23:21.35 | Debian_it | maher: I do that, but it does not seem to take effect |
| 23:21.37 | Agrajag_ | maher: other than that did it look like I had the right commands? |
| 23:21.45 | karsten | cthulfuego: That's my read. How do I make apache verbose on startup? |
| 23:22.01 | maher | Agrajag-: probably |
| 23:22.04 | cthulfuego | karsten: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so in /etc/apache/modules.conf ? |
| 23:22.07 | karsten | resiak: Sgt. Schulz? |
| 23:22.18 | resiak | karsten: I'm sorry? |
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| 23:22.24 | maher | Debian_it: when you do dpkg-reocnifgure locales do you get two screens of options? |
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| 23:22.31 | Debian_it | maher: yup |
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| 23:22.39 | Debian_it | maher: and I only selected en_us |
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| 23:22.49 | maher | Debian_it: and do you pick that onthe second oe as well |
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| 23:23.04 | karsten | resiak: "I know nothink!" |
| 23:23.14 | karsten | cthulfuego: # /usr/sbin/apache-modconf apache |
| 23:23.14 | Debian_it | maher: on the second screen I only have options for en which is good |
| 23:23.18 | karsten | cthulfuego: ...and waiting. |
| 23:23.32 | karsten | cthulfuego: That didn't do it... |
| 23:23.37 | cthulfuego | karsten: $EDITOR /etc/apache/modules.conf |
| 23:23.39 | resiak | karsten: I was thinking more of Manuel. |
| 23:23.40 | Debian_it | maher: and as u seen, it says generation complete, but I still get that error |
| 23:23.42 | maher | Debian_it: what version of debian |
| 23:23.44 | wilbertoki | I just bought a linksys wrt54g and I learned it runs linux and can be set up as a wireless repeater |
| 23:23.44 | Cyis | cthulfuego: okay I didn't know if i386 would work but just not be optimized or not |
| 23:23.54 | cthulfuego | karsten: Also need application/x-httpd-php php in /etc/apache/mime.types |
| 23:23.55 | karsten | cthulfuego: # Autogenerated file - do not edit! |
| 23:24.05 | cthulfuego | karsten: yeah, stuff it. |
| 23:24.14 | Debian_it | maher: can I msg u ? |
| 23:24.37 | karsten | cthulfuego: Curiously, I don't have that file. |
| 23:24.46 | wilbertoki | if you have a mesh network of repeating wireless aps, and say %20 of them are connected to DSL how is the connection shared among them? |
| 23:24.49 | cthulfuego | Cyis: It will run faster than a same-MHz non-amd64 box, but in theory 64bit binaries will be faster still. |
| 23:24.57 | maher | Debian_it: yes |
| 23:25.02 | cthulfuego | karsten: Well well |
| 23:25.09 | karsten | cthulfuego: Erm. It's a symlink to... |
| 23:25.10 | cthulfuego | karsten: You on sarge, right? |
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| 23:25.24 | karsten | cthulfuego: ... /etc/mime.types. That work? |
| 23:25.34 | cthulfuego | karsten: Yes, mine's a symlink to /etc/mime.types too |
| 23:25.58 | karsten | cthulfuego: OK. I was misremembering logfile errors I think. |
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| 23:27.13 | cthulfuego | maher: Found a USB wifi option yet? |
| 23:27.28 | robink | Is it true that caffeine consumption drills holes in your brain? |
| 23:27.36 | cthulfuego | robink: No. |
| 23:27.37 | adjacent | robink: yes |
| 23:27.48 | wilbertoki | robink: stress does |
| 23:27.51 | resiak | robink: Yes. I store my caffeine pills in the holes. |
| 23:27.57 | robink | Wille88_: Hmm |
| 23:27.59 | robink | oops |
| 23:28.00 | robink | wilbertoki: Hmm |
| 23:28.07 | adjacent | robink: my head looks like swiss cheese, because of all the coffee i drink. or, wait, maybe its the crack i smoke? |
| 23:28.08 | cthulfuego | robink: Caffeing is a molecule, not a person with a drill. |
| 23:28.14 | maher | cthulfuego: i've found some usb wireless things with atmel chipsets - but I'd really like one that just works on a sarge kernel with no recompiling - so i can give i tmy mum and it will just work... |
| 23:28.35 | maher | cthulfuego: maybe the atmel's will work with the stock kernels but its not clear |
| 23:28.35 | wilbertoki | maher: orinoco is plug and play |
| 23:28.36 | robink | cthulfuego: Right, but I remember hearing somewhere that caffeinee consumption causes eventual brain damage in a similar fashion as alcohol |
| 23:28.42 | cthulfuego | maher: *nod* I'm looking for one to use with a laptop that has a busted pcmcia socket |
| 23:28.52 | Fo | what should I install to have libstdc++.so.6 ? |
| 23:28.54 | maher | wilbertoki: do you happen to know of a usb wireless orinocco deviace offhand |
| 23:29.14 | cthulfuego | robink: I doubt it, calcification and alzheimers perhaps... or FUCK FUCK FUCK psychocomatic tourette's. |
| 23:29.22 | maher | cthulfuego: the current one is an xmicro - it works but I had to patch the kernel - this makes remote updates a pain |
| 23:29.31 | wilbertoki | maher: well I have a mini pci dell truemobile 1150 that ubuntus installer detected and setup for me |
| 23:29.42 | wilbertoki | maher: there is a usb version im not positive iif it has same chipset |
| 23:29.57 | robink | cthulfuego: ! |
| 23:30.06 | cthulfuego | maher: I found a few that apparently work with linux-wlan-ng, but nothing useful in the 802.11g raneg yet. |
| 23:30.19 | wilbertoki | linux-wlan-ng doesnt support wireless extensions fully |
| 23:30.22 | cthulfuego | robink: I drink a HUGE amount of coffee, we'll see. |
| 23:30.30 | robink | cthulfuego: Indeed |
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| 23:30.35 | wilbertoki | you have to edit a seperate config file which is not as easy as using wireless extensions |
| 23:30.47 | maher | cthulfuego: b is fine for me... |
| 23:30.48 | cthulfuego | wilbertoki: I doubt mahers mum will care if she can't warwalk with kismet. |
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| 23:31.22 | jetscreamer | wtf??? <para>Markera det här alternativet om du vill spara ljudfiler i monofor |
| 23:31.24 | jetscreamer | methinks gnome-media is fuxored |
| 23:31.36 | wilbertoki | cthulfuego: I couldnt even get airsnort to work with my orinoco, my mum would shoot herself before she could get it to work |
| 23:31.40 | cthulfuego | robink: Although, there's alzheimers in the family, so it may not be the coffee if I *do* go... |
| 23:31.55 | cthulfuego | wilbertoki: Orinoco needs a patch for that. |
| 23:32.11 | cthulfuego | jetscreamer: Just swedish, not fucked ;-) |
| 23:32.13 | wilbertoki | cthulfuego: I know and I tried but gave up quickly |
| 23:32.25 | chealer | BadMan: it's not a comment, it's a shebang |
| 23:32.39 | cthulfuego | wilbertoki: Simply fetch the 0.15pre2 tarball, unpack, overwrite files in kernel tree, compile as per usual. |
| 23:32.44 | Debian_it | anyone knows whats the thttpd daemon for ? |
| 23:33.01 | wilbertoki | maher: I actually just setup a netgear wg511 v2 with ndiswrapper, it only took an hour |
| 23:33.01 | drac | Debian_it: httpd == www server |
| 23:33.05 | cthulfuego | Debian_it: For beating microsoft benchmarks |
| 23:33.23 | cthulfuego | Debian_it: You don't need or want it. |
| 23:33.24 | Debian_it | drac: yup, but this is thttpd |
| 23:33.40 | drac | Debian_it: so? |
| 23:33.43 | Debian_it | cthulfuego u refering to thttpd right ? |
| 23:33.48 | wilbertoki | cthulfuego: I confess I have never compiled my own kernel, I've installed source to compile kernel modules like ndiswrapper though |
| 23:33.48 | maher | cthulfuego: wilbertoki: i'll probably just get an smc atmel for $20 - if it doesn't work i'll just give it to a charity store... |
| 23:34.06 | Debian_it | drac: httpd is different than thttpd |
| 23:34.18 | drac | Debian_it: thttpd is a httpd. |
| 23:34.19 | dvs | wilbertoki: It's not tough. Just keep your old kernel around just in case. |
| 23:34.21 | jazzanova | artus: thanks, i am going to take a break, come back to it later.. |
| 23:34.28 | drac | Debian_it: dhttpd is a httpd. apache is a httpd. |
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| 23:35.17 | wilbertoki | maher: the netgear ma111 is automatically detected and installed by ubuntu |
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| 23:35.18 | Debian_it | so its basically the apache web server |
| 23:35.18 | drac | Debian_it: no, apache is apache. thttpd is thttpd. |
| 23:35.33 | clojster | what's thttpd |
| 23:35.39 | drac | jesus christ. |
| 23:35.42 | wilbertoki | dvs: after make oldconfig do I just do make deb? |
| 23:35.47 | maher | wilbertoki: cool - thanks - maybe i'll try that one |
| 23:35.52 | drac | IT'S A WWW SERVER. |
| 23:35.57 | dvs | !tell wilbertoki about kp |
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| 23:36.27 | clojster | so it's basically apache web server |
| 23:36.31 | clojster | right? |
| 23:36.36 | Debian_it | he said no |
| 23:36.43 | Debian_it | am trying to understand the difference |
| 23:36.43 | qumran | Is there anyway to 'upgrade' my ubuntu system to a debian system? I'm using unstable debian repositories in Ubuntu but the base is kept back. I'm afraid that if i'm doing a dist-upgrade it will crash my system. Any ideas? |
| 23:36.43 | wilbertoki | maher: I have a dell truemobile 1180 usb that has same chipset as ma111 I want to sell |
| 23:36.56 | clojster | lol, just messing with you :)) |
| 23:37.04 | drac | Debian_it: apache has a lot more features than this small thttpd. |
| 23:37.15 | drac | @lart clojster |
| 23:37.19 | Debian_it | drac: oh ok, thats much better.. thanks |
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| 23:37.32 | qumran | The reason why i want to do this is cause with ubuntu i get Gnome2.10 and Kernel 2.6.10 |
| 23:37.32 | clojster | drac: lol |
| 23:37.36 | jetscreamer | ooo kinky |
| 23:37.49 | wilbertoki | dvs: thanks that is a cool irc command |
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| 23:37.50 | maher | wilbertoki: how much :)? |
| 23:37.56 | karsten | resiak: cthulfuego: Ok, it was: /usr/sbin/apache-modconf apache enable mod_php4 |
| 23:37.57 | Debian_it | drac: so I can just disable thttpd and enable apache if I want to use a web server ? |
| 23:37.59 | jethro | !ubuntusmite qumran |
| 23:38.02 | dvs | wilbertoki: no problem |
| 23:38.06 | FieldySnuts | you can't just hop what distro is installed like that. some distros claim you can but don't beleive it. |
| 23:38.12 | wilbertoki | maher: I was going to sell it on ebay for whatever the going rate is |
| 23:38.13 | clojster | Debian_it: sure |
| 23:38.15 | drac | Debian_it: Sure. You just need one httpd installed, apache OR thttpd. |
| 23:38.23 | FieldySnuts | and we wouldn't know about the ubuntu side anyway |
| 23:38.25 | clojster | Debian_it: Apache rulezz |
| 23:38.27 | wilbertoki | maher: are you in US? |
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| 23:38.31 | Debian_it | drac: gotcha |
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| 23:39.01 | resiak | karsten: Ahah. |
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| 23:39.09 | chealer | qumran: kernel 2.6.10 is no reason to use ubuntu |
| 23:39.13 | XanaXa | can anyone tell me why I would get "session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE" when I am trying to use smbclient to connect to a windows share |
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| 23:39.27 | maher | wilbertoki: i'm in LA |
| 23:39.32 | qumran | Oh ok .... i'm about to install a clean debian system again anyway .... just tried ubuntu , but it not the real thing ... |
| 23:39.32 | FieldySnuts | XanaXa: better off asking #samba or the samba users mailing list (info at sambas site whereever that is) |
| 23:39.39 | chealer | qumran: but your idea of switching between distros is till quite funny :) |
| 23:39.40 | maher | wilbertoki: i've sold things on ebay for more than you can buy them new... |
| 23:39.47 | qumran | Just wanted to see if there was some laxy shortcut ;) |
| 23:39.48 | FieldySnuts | maher: morons everywhere :) |
| 23:39.49 | karsten | resiak: Mind, drupal's still not working. But differently now. |
| 23:39.54 | resiak | karsten: Heheh. |
| 23:40.04 | qumran | lazy even |
| 23:40.13 | karsten | resiak: I've done this crap long enough to know that that's progress ;-) |
| 23:40.15 | FieldySnuts | maher: I bought 5 rack units for 75 each, sold them to somebody at 600 each |
| 23:40.23 | karsten | resiak: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /usr/share/drupal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 31 |
| 23:40.31 | qumran | But in theory it would be possible wouldn't it? |
| 23:40.37 | FieldySnuts | not really. |
| 23:40.41 | resiak | karsten: You need the appropriate mysql-php libs |
| 23:40.42 | qumran | How come? |
| 23:40.54 | karsten | resiak: Yeah, they should be on here.... |
| 23:40.56 | FieldySnuts | common sense. i don't feel like explaining it all. in short, we know better than you do. |
| 23:41.01 | qumran | haha |
| 23:41.04 | FieldySnuts | wanna try it? go for it, but don't expect us to help |
| 23:41.08 | qumran | alrighty then ;) |
| 23:41.10 | Agrajag_ | I have a note to self saying the '-b' option is useful if login for a system gets broken... |
| 23:41.40 | Agrajag_ | anyone know which program that -b option would get passed to? |
| 23:41.43 | maher | FieldySnuts: well - i never did quite that well |
| 23:41.53 | FieldySnuts | only time i did it, i hate doing that stuff |
| 23:42.02 | FieldySnuts | annoys me that is |
| 23:42.07 | karsten | Agrajag_: Um. Applied where? |
| 23:42.09 | chealer | qumran: happy with your answer now? :) |
| 23:42.17 | qumran | haha .. .yep ;) |
| 23:42.20 | aardvark | !annoy FieldySnuts |
| 23:42.20 | mtellez | hiren, after an apt-get upgrade I get this error: Your kernel version indicates a revision number of 255 or greater. Glibc has a number of built in assumptions that this revision number is less than 255 and now I can't "apt-get" anything |
| 23:42.29 | FieldySnuts | !irritate aardvark |
| 23:42.30 | dpkg | aardvark: Y iz debain so old? who uses cable ???/ |
| 23:42.34 | FieldySnuts | :P |
| 23:42.38 | Agrajag_ | karsten: that's what I'm not sure of |
| 23:42.43 | FieldySnuts | i think it's ravenbird that has annoy |
| 23:42.46 | qumran | Just before i'm off the start with my fresh and clean all debian system... any tips? ;) |
| 23:42.53 | maher | FieldySnuts: there's a shop on the local high street where you just take your stuff and they sell it on ebay for you |
| 23:43.02 | FieldySnuts | maher: that's kinda cool |
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| 23:43.06 | Agrajag_ | karsten: it worked perfectly at the time |
| 23:43.11 | karsten | Agrajag_: If used at boot, it's passed on to the kernel itself. |
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| 23:43.18 | FieldySnuts | i pry have 5000 worth of various crap laying around here i wouldn't care about if it went away |
| 23:43.22 | Agrajag_ | karsten: I wrote it down cause login seems to break pretty often |
| 23:43.24 | FieldySnuts | should find a shop, get the shit out of here |
| 23:43.26 | Agrajag_ | karsten: in unstable |
| 23:43.33 | karsten | Agrajag_: ...but I don't know of a syntax using '-b' for grub/lilo. |
| 23:43.50 | karsten | Agrajag_: cat /proc/cmdline shows you the kernel's own boot opts. |
| 23:43.51 | Agrajag_ | karsten: so its just something like hit shift at bootup then put '-b' in at lilo prompt |
| 23:43.53 | PenjejakNeraka | hmm, why there isn't a libpng-dev package for testing/unstable :( |
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| 23:44.32 | karsten | resiak: php4-mysql install (dpkg --get-selections). |
| 23:44.35 | drac | PenjejakNeraka: apt-cache search libpng | grep dev |
| 23:44.43 | Agrajag_ | kersten: hmm, I looked at the linux bootprompt howto no mention of -b there |
| 23:44.44 | resiak | karsten: Nice. |
| 23:44.48 | resiak | karsten: I don't know!!! |
| 23:44.48 | maher | FieldySnuts: http://www.i-soldit.com/ |
| 23:44.58 | qumran | Is it possible to copy and entire partition do another empty partition, make that partition bootable and boot the system from that one? As a backup copy ? |
| 23:45.00 | Agrajag_ | frustrating it seems like this is something apt should be taught about |
| 23:45.06 | FieldySnuts | well if it isn't local there isn't a whole lot i can do, no credit card |
| 23:45.17 | FieldySnuts | so maybe there's a place like that around here. not real worried about it. |
| 23:45.31 | Agrajag_ | every time login breaks its a big pain and this solution worked perfectly, whatever it was *sigh* |
| 23:45.41 | phogg | PenjejakNeraka: libpng3-dev and libpng2-dev wont do? |
| 23:45.43 | FieldySnuts | take notes next time :) |
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| 23:46.12 | PenjejakNeraka | drac; libpng-dev only available for stable; http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=libpng-dev |
| 23:46.28 | Debian_it | whats the boot log file under Debian ? |
| 23:46.29 | PenjejakNeraka | phogg; wait, i search |
| 23:46.46 | drac | PenjejakNeraka: There are 4 libpng -dev's in sarge. |
| 23:46.47 | FieldySnuts | @annoy aardvark |
| 23:46.49 | ravenbird | aardvark: bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!! |
| 23:46.54 | drac | PenjejakNeraka: Learn to use apt-cache search. |
| 23:47.00 | PenjejakNeraka | phogg; yeah, there it is. thanks guys :) |
| 23:47.25 | Streetman | Anyone know how to include or rmove a DNS server from the Debian Linux |
| 23:47.25 | Streetman | startup command files? |
| 23:47.29 | aardvark | !compaqsmite FieldySnuts |
| 23:47.30 | Streetman | heh, whoops |
| 23:47.33 | FieldySnuts | eh |
| 23:47.39 | PenjejakNeraka | drac; i know. the mistake i done was to search for libpng-dev, not just libpng |
| 23:47.39 | chealer | !tell Debian_it about bootlogd |
| 23:47.42 | FieldySnuts | i think that's on ravenbird too |
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| 23:48.07 | Phated | And you call me a perv? |
| 23:48.13 | Debian_it | thanks :) |
| 23:48.23 | karsten | resiak: Breaking different. |
| 23:48.24 | FieldySnuts | yes :) don't make me get out our private msgs :) |
| 23:48.27 | FieldySnuts | kidding |
| 23:48.36 | karsten | Phated: misanthrope comes to mind more readily. |
| 23:48.47 | Streetman | Anyone know how to include or rmove a DNS server from the Debian Linux startup command files? I'm guessing it has something to do with init.d and the rc#.d things but I don't know exactly what. |
| 23:48.54 | shingouz | you guys sure you've had enough caffeine today? |
| 23:49.13 | dvs | too much Red Bull |
| 23:49.14 | FieldySnuts | my body has weird reactions to that stuff, have to stay away |
| 23:49.14 | karsten | Streetman: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:49.34 | karsten | Streetman: How to stop your DNS server, or how to disable querying a server? |
| 23:49.40 | Debian_it | chealer: its not there :( |
| 23:49.47 | karsten | Streetman: For the later, what I wrote. For the former: /etc/init.d/bind stop |
| 23:49.47 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: die |
| 23:49.48 | ravenbird | I'll murder you fieldysnuts! Slice you into bits and feed you to my children! |
| 23:50.03 | karsten | Streetman: For permanent mods: remove the package or man update-rc.d |
| 23:50.17 | Streetman | karsten: I want to edit the startup command files. Not change the package or do it manually. |
| 23:50.21 | drummer87 | hi all, what software is there to record video from tv card? |
| 23:50.34 | karsten | Streetman: man update-rc.d |
| 23:50.35 | dvs | xawtv can do that |
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| 23:50.50 | aardvark | drummer87: this is not #ubuntu. |
| 23:50.55 | surrounder | hey all |
| 23:51.02 | chealer | Debian_it: did you read all what the factoid says? |
| 23:51.20 | Phated | ravenbird has kids now? |
| 23:51.22 | ravenbird | Phated: no idea |
| 23:51.29 | Phated | Ah-hah! I knew it was lying! |
| 23:51.42 | maher | Phated: the ravenchicks |
| 23:51.51 | Debian_it | chealer: cannot find /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 23:52.18 | aardvark | ./configure FieldySnuts --with-compaq-bios-extensions |
| 23:52.21 | FieldySnuts | argh |
| 23:52.29 | FieldySnuts | you're evil |
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| 23:52.42 | karsten | Phated: With all the screwing of the bots that happens here, it wouldn't surprise me. |
| 23:52.46 | aardvark | you'll have to make a setup partition in your brain now. |
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| 23:53.16 | chealer | Debian_it: hum...are you on sarge? |
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| 23:53.36 | mmInd | hi all, having some problems with network config stuff.....I can ping the ip but not the hostname.. |
| 23:53.36 | Debian_it | chealer: nope |
| 23:53.39 | bookmark | how can i remove a module? |
| 23:53.45 | Guerin | bookmark: modprobe -r |
| 23:53.50 | bookmark | doesn't work |
| 23:53.52 | mmInd | I've seen this before, and it was fixed in some /etc/ file I think.. |
| 23:53.59 | dvs | rmmod |
| 23:54.01 | petemc | mmInd: man resolv.conf |
| 23:54.22 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 23:54.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:54.24 | chealer | Debian_it: ask someone that uses woody |
| 23:54.36 | mmInd | petemc: k, I'll give it a try, thanks. |
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| 23:55.00 | bookmark | ok i put modprobe -l and it's still listed |
| 23:55.02 | leonel | so no real news about sarge release ? |
| 23:55.10 | bookmark | rmmod it |
| 23:55.28 | Streetman | karsten: Thank you. |
| 23:55.48 | kpanik_ | is there a way to copy a disk partition with debian install cd ? |
| 23:55.48 | Guerin | leonel: what we know is in the topic |
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| 23:56.02 | leonel | Guerin, thanks so no real news |
| 23:56.03 | cthulfuego | kpanik_: 'dd' |
| 23:56.03 | streuner | leonel: why do you care? |
| 23:56.09 | karsten | Streetman: NP |
| 23:56.19 | kpanik_ | cthulfuego: can dd do network copy ? |
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| 23:56.29 | cthulfuego | kpanik_: Together with 'nc', yes. |
| 23:56.29 | FieldySnuts | not directly no |
| 23:56.35 | FieldySnuts | there you go |
| 23:56.43 | leonel | streuner, because i need a sarge release |
| 23:56.46 | cthulfuego | Linux is Magic |
| 23:56.53 | kpanik_ | cthulfuego: does it work for entire disk ? |
| 23:56.54 | cthulfuego | leonel: Why is that? |
| 23:56.57 | FieldySnuts | @need |
| 23:56.58 | cthulfuego | kpanik_: Yep. |
| 23:57.05 | FieldySnuts | damn it |
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| 23:57.07 | kpanik_ | cthulfuego: man i need a tut for this :) |
| 23:57.08 | bookmark | how do you list modules that are loaded? |
| 23:57.13 | dvs | lsmod |
| 23:57.33 | bookmark | ah rockin, thanks |
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| 23:57.54 | leonel | cthulfuego, kernel updated postgresql upgraded perl upgraded postfix upgraded |
| 23:57.59 | cthulfuego | kpanik_: make nc listen on a specific port on the host where you want to store the image. Make it write received data to a file. |
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| 23:58.16 | cthulfuego | leonel: And you can't upgrade NOW because...? |
| 23:58.23 | leonel | cthulfuego, among other things I have to keep compiling myself |
| 23:58.35 | FieldySnuts | @wtf |
| 23:58.39 | leonel | cthulfuego, because there's no sarge security infrastructure ready |
| 23:58.45 | cthulfuego | leonel: So you don't actually need updated postfix/perl etc |
| 23:58.52 | FieldySnuts | well if you do that you're taking it into your own hands anyway |
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| 23:59.09 | wilbertoki | cthulfuego: does intersil/prism chipsets need patching to use airsnort? |
| 23:59.21 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: wtf y.e.t.a.n.o.t.h.e.r.p.r.a.t.t. |
| 23:59.23 | leonel | cthulfuego, I said upgraded to new versions and at least a kernel updated with bug fixes |
| 23:59.24 | cthulfuego | kpanik_: On the box with the disk to be backed up, use 'dd' to pipe the data into 'nc' and send it to the box that's listening on the network. |
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| 23:59.30 | mmInd | hmm..don't think that's what I was quite after...I should have been clearer. I can ping the computer from another computer in the network by IP, but not by hostname. |
| 23:59.32 | cthulfuego | wilbertoki: Yes. |
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| 23:59.40 | cthulfuego | wilbertoki: let me find you the url for the new drivers,. |
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| 23:59.52 | kpanik_ | cthulfuego: ok, but restore will be possible in the same way ? |
| 23:59.57 | wilbertoki | cthulfuego: thanks dude |
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