| 00:00.03 | cthulfuego | wilbertoki: 'kismet' is MUCH nicer then airsnort btw. |
| 00:00.03 | cthulfuego | kpanik_: Yes. |
| 00:00.06 | streuner | leonel: support debian, that would prolly help... |
| 00:00.16 | FieldySnuts | heh kismet is fun i used to run it on my zaurus 5500 |
| 00:00.19 | mmInd | It's like the debian computer isn't sending its hostname out. |
| 00:00.26 | FieldySnuts | nobody thinks you're up to anything with something that small |
| 00:00.31 | derek | does anyone know how to delete the startup programs manually in gnome, i set thunderbird to start automatic now its the only thing that does start |
| 00:00.35 | FieldySnuts | not to mention you can hide it |
| 00:00.36 | cthulfuego | leonel: But seeing as you can't be arsed doing it yourself, you don't _need_ them. |
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| 00:00.49 | leonel | streuner, yes indeed but all my big efforts can't make sarge release sooner |
| 00:00.55 | maher | FieldySnuts: i can't imagine meeting you and not thinking you're up to something... |
| 00:00.59 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 00:01.09 | FieldySnuts | i'm innocent (looking)! |
| 00:01.12 | cthulfuego | wilbertoki: http://ozlabs.org/people/dgibson/dldwd/orinoco-0.15rc2.tar.gz |
| 00:01.27 | JeepJerk | I need some help getting my linksys NIC to work |
| 00:01.32 | cthulfuego | wilbertoki: Simply unpack and copy all C and H files into the correct spot in the kernel source tree. |
| 00:01.35 | leonel | cthulfuego, I don't need an updated kernel ? |
| 00:01.40 | leonel | cthulfuego, wow that's new |
| 00:01.41 | FieldySnuts | JeepJerk: good luck, most of those don't work i linux (due to Linksys) |
| 00:01.49 | FieldySnuts | s/i\ /in/ |
| 00:01.51 | cthulfuego | leonel: The one you're running now works, doesn't it? |
| 00:02.05 | leonel | yes it's 2.4.30 from source |
| 00:02.18 | cthulfuego | leonel: That has no debian fixes. |
| 00:02.21 | JeepJerk | I think its supposed to run with the tulip driver |
| 00:02.24 | kpanik_ | cthulfuego: can i msg you ? |
| 00:02.30 | mwilson | You know, I never knew that lesspipe could do that. :) |
| 00:02.33 | streuner | leonel: customers have power what decisions they make ;-) |
| 00:02.40 | leonel | cthulfuego, the last debian kernel for woody was on apr 2004 |
| 00:02.41 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: do what? |
| 00:02.43 | cthulfuego | kpanik_: I've told you _all_ I know anout using nc with dd. |
| 00:02.53 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Use it on an ISO sometime. |
| 00:02.54 | JeepJerk | when I run "modprobe tulip" should that create the eth0 device? |
| 00:02.56 | leonel | streuner, yes we have |
| 00:02.59 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: hrm |
| 00:03.02 | dvs | JeepJerk: lspci | grep Eth |
| 00:03.02 | herbi | slightly off topic but if i want to search for a string in google like "somebin -" how can i do it? google seems to ignore the hyphen |
| 00:03.06 | kpanik_ | cthulfuego: what do u think about : dd if=/dev/fd0 | ssh targetmachine dd of=/dev/fd0 |
| 00:03.11 | bookmark | wtf, i run diff and diff just tells me the files differ |
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| 00:03.24 | cthulfuego | kpanik_: may work... not 100% sure |
| 00:03.36 | JeepJerk | dvs: its not even listed! |
| 00:03.40 | leonel | cthulfuego, and since apr 2004 there's been several critical kernel bugs |
| 00:03.43 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Everything you ever wanted to know about the ISO header, then the list of files contained in it, etc. |
| 00:03.57 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: easier than loop mounting it it seems |
| 00:04.04 | derek | anyone? |
| 00:04.11 | dvs | JeepJerk: ???? Did you type it EXACTLY like that? |
| 00:04.12 | FieldySnuts | @anyone |
| 00:04.12 | ravenbird | *** anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean /I/ do. |
| 00:04.15 | herbi | anyone have any clue? maybe the ascii char or - ? :D |
| 00:04.16 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Like I said, I never knew lesspipe could do that. |
| 00:04.23 | Guerin | leonel: this has been gone over again and again on the mailing lists. |
| 00:04.24 | FieldySnuts | me neither |
| 00:04.30 | herbi | s/or/for |
| 00:04.34 | cthulfuego | leonel: In the debian kernel package or in kernels afterwards? |
| 00:04.35 | JeepJerk | dvs: yes, then I just ran lscpi and there's not ethernet adapter listed |
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| 00:04.55 | FieldySnuts | JeepJerk: this is because most linksys NIC's are not 100% hardware, and require windows drivers to complete them |
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| 00:04.58 | bookmark | oh... they are binary lol |
| 00:05.05 | dvs | JeepJerk: Then "modprobe tulip" should give an error |
| 00:05.10 | leonel | cthulfuego, in the kernel and there has been bugs that affected older versions as 2.4.18 |
| 00:05.15 | Guerin | leonel: just build your own damn kernel, backport packages if you really must, and wait for the release, which will be Real Soon Now (TM) |
| 00:05.17 | FieldySnuts | @troll leonel |
| 00:05.23 | FieldySnuts | go away already |
| 00:05.28 | cthulfuego | leonel: Yes, and did you check whether your woody kernel was vulnerable? |
| 00:05.40 | dvs | leonel: The kernels are frozen for sarge. Get over it |
| 00:05.41 | derek | ok... can anyone help me with my problem |
| 00:05.43 | cthulfuego | leonel: or did you just ASSUME it did? |
| 00:05.56 | FieldySnuts | hrm. it's still sunday here. |
| 00:06.05 | cthulfuego | FieldySnuts: yeh, public holiday |
| 00:06.09 | dvs | for another 4 hours here |
| 00:06.17 | Solet | does anyone in here have any experience installing a pci wifi card on woody? |
| 00:06.28 | dvs | what is an anzac anyways? |
| 00:06.31 | JeepJerk | loading tulip printed a one liner with the driver version information, no errors |
| 00:06.32 | cthulfuego | Solet: Insert card, boot system, load driver. |
| 00:06.33 | PenjejakNeraka | i was asked to install GTK devel package. hence, what's the package name eh? |
| 00:06.38 | leonel | if they say in june 2004 there's a bug on the kernel that affects all versions < x version that includes 2.4.18 and there's no debian update |
| 00:06.43 | streuner | Guerin: why? you have an excuse then? :-) |
| 00:06.44 | cthulfuego | JeepJerk: yay, it works, then. |
| 00:06.50 | leonel | ok |
| 00:06.56 | leonel | let's stop this |
| 00:06.58 | cthulfuego | leonel: So you didn't actually CHECK. |
| 00:07.04 | FieldySnuts | oh it must not be a 100 model then, i'm wrong, i admit it |
| 00:07.07 | leonel | i'm not trolling or any thing |
| 00:07.10 | Guerin | streuner: because that would mean I had another 24 hours to recover from my three-day drinking binge |
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| 00:07.16 | FieldySnuts | you're annoying the living urine out of us, that's close enough |
| 00:07.22 | Guerin | whereas now I have to work |
| 00:07.22 | phaedral | hi all |
| 00:07.23 | Solet | cthulfuego: if you've found placed to buy hardware that comes with linux drivers for the love of god tell me where cause i'm moving |
| 00:07.24 | streuner | Guerin: haha |
| 00:07.25 | leonel | cthulfuego, I made my research |
| 00:07.34 | maher | Solet: what card |
| 00:07.37 | dvs | JeepJerk: So configure your /etc/network/interfaces file then |
| 00:07.38 | JeepJerk | cthulfuego: there's still no device |
| 00:07.41 | leonel | as I said let's stop this here |
| 00:07.47 | JeepJerk | dvs I did |
| 00:07.51 | leonel | sarge will be out when it will be out |
| 00:07.56 | cthulfuego | JeepJerk: 'ifconfig -a' |
| 00:07.58 | FieldySnuts | we knew that, so just drop it already |
| 00:08.00 | dvs | JeepJerk: Then do ifconfig |
| 00:08.02 | Guerin | leonel: yeah, there's really not that much more to say |
| 00:08.03 | zorton | is there a way to make apt not keep a /var/cache/apt/archive? |
| 00:08.11 | zorton | or do I need to clean it manualy or with a cronjob? |
| 00:08.14 | FieldySnuts | leonel: if we knew more we'd probably say.. we don't. |
| 00:08.18 | Guerin | zorton: the latter |
| 00:08.22 | cthulfuego | Solet: I check the kernel source tree to see what is supported before I go out and spend money. |
| 00:08.23 | Solet | d-link dwl-g510 h/w v b1 f/w v 2.00 |
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| 00:08.27 | zorton | Guerin: sux, okay thanks |
| 00:08.30 | wilbertoki | cthulfuego: thanks a lot |
| 00:08.38 | cthulfuego | wilbertoki: Enjoy :-) |
| 00:08.41 | Guerin | zorton: or you could run apt-get clean after every install |
| 00:08.52 | zorton | Guerin: yeah |
| 00:09.01 | zorton | i'm running apt-proxy now, so it's quite redundant |
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| 00:09.30 | Guerin | right |
| 00:09.47 | JeepJerk | ifconfig shows the loopback only, ifconfig -a shows loopback and something called sit0 |
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| 00:10.06 | wilbertoki | when I plug in a usb mouse or a keyboard into my laptop I lose the touchpad mouse and it doenst return until a reboot, what module can I load to get it back? |
| 00:10.07 | maher | Solet: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz <-- congrats you have bought a card not listed here |
| 00:10.09 | dvs | JeepJerk: Then the line after modprobe was an error. |
| 00:10.27 | streuner | wilbertoki: installed over d-i? |
| 00:10.27 | PenjejakNeraka | what's the package name related to GTK devel? |
| 00:10.39 | wilbertoki | streuner: d-i? |
| 00:10.55 | dvs | JeepJerk: Or you could try /etc/init.d/networking restart and see what happens |
| 00:11.32 | streuner | wilbertoki: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 00:12.06 | maher | Solet: does lspci say what chipset it has? |
| 00:12.06 | JeepJerk | fails bringing up eth0 "no such device" |
| 00:12.13 | wilbertoki | streuner: gnu c libaries timezone and date |
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| 00:12.29 | streuner | wilbertoki: we need the whole version |
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| 00:12.44 | dvs | JeepJerk: Then "modprobe tulip" probably printed an error message |
| 00:12.48 | Skrot | Does anyone know if I can specify what keymap SDL opengl should use? |
| 00:13.04 | wilbertoki | Im running ubuntu hoary - 2.3.2.ds1-20ubun |
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| 00:13.12 | streuner | haha |
| 00:13.23 | BadMan | !ubuntu |
| 00:13.23 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 00:13.27 | JeepJerk | dvs: it prints "Linux Tulip driver version 1.1.13 (May 11, 2002)" |
| 00:13.32 | phaedral | what the consensus; are wacom-tools and wacom-kernel-source fairly newbie friendly? |
| 00:13.33 | maher | Solet: if its a realtek try http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:13.46 | wilbertoki | streuner: should I not be asking here? I was running sarge and I run it on my servers and you guys are cool here |
| 00:14.06 | Guerin | do you ask Ford to fix your mazda? |
| 00:14.08 | dvs | JeepJerk: What does "uname -r" say? |
| 00:14.12 | maher | phaedral: my tablet just works as long as i plug it in before the usb mouse an reload the wacom driver |
| 00:14.13 | fu | lol |
| 00:14.15 | streuner | You ain't that clever then :-) |
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| 00:14.16 | dvs | Guerin: you can ;-) |
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| 00:14.31 | dvs | Guerin: Ford uses some mazda engines. |
| 00:14.36 | JeepJerk | dvs: 2.6.9-chw-4 |
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| 00:14.46 | dvs | ??? |
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| 00:14.54 | Guerin | dvs: my point is that ford IS mazda, but they have separate service contracts, etc. |
| 00:14.58 | phaedral | maher: thx; |
| 00:15.08 | dvs | JeepJerk: That's not a Debian kernel |
| 00:15.14 | dvs | Guerin: O I C |
| 00:15.15 | phaedral | i was a bit freaked at the infowith wacom-kernel-source on the debian packages page |
| 00:15.17 | JeepJerk | ummm... |
| 00:15.44 | wilbertoki | streuner: to be fair the same thing happened when I had sarge on here |
| 00:15.45 | JeepJerk | the people who made the livecd say it is |
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| 00:16.01 | JeepJerk | but on the other hand they're not helping me and you are |
| 00:16.10 | Guerin | JeepJerk: debian doesn't make a livecd. |
| 00:16.31 | JeepJerk | well they said it was made from debian |
| 00:16.35 | JeepJerk | its knoppmyth |
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| 00:16.40 | Guerin | !nondeb knoppmyth |
| 00:16.41 | dpkg | Go to channel #knoppmyth for help with knoppmyth. If knoppmyth were Debian, it would be called Debian and not knoppmyth. |
| 00:16.44 | Guerin | !debian based |
| 00:16.45 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 00:17.01 | JeepJerk | good call |
| 00:17.07 | JeepJerk | didn't know they were on IRC |
| 00:17.09 | phaedral | what is d-i |
| 00:17.18 | phaedral | ;) |
| 00:17.19 | Guerin | phaedral: ask the fucking bot like it says |
| 00:17.24 | Solet | !d-i |
| 00:17.25 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 00:17.33 | FieldySnuts | or wait for somebody else to do it for you .. |
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| 00:17.37 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: ... |
| 00:17.37 | ravenbird | fieldysnuts.. |
| 00:17.56 | JeepJerk | man there's gonna be like no support for knoppmyth tho :( |
| 00:18.00 | odrarg | hi |
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| 00:18.17 | Solet | jeepjerk, then use something else :P |
| 00:18.25 | wilbertoki | jeepjerk: I use knppmyth |
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| 00:19.02 | JeepJerk | wilbertoki: then why aren't you in the knoppmyth channel? :-P |
| 00:19.06 | Guerin | heh, the blind leading the blind... |
| 00:19.26 | JeepJerk | Its not bringing up my network card |
| 00:19.48 | maher | Solet: archive.debian.org has buzz - probably not images tho |
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| 00:20.11 | Solet | maher: i'll have to remember that next time i'm feeling goofy thanks |
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| 00:23.18 | impster | Ok..So i've got apache 1.3.26 w/ php4 installed. I have an index.php in my /var/www and it loads fine. I also have an index.php in a /home/<user>/public_html. It doesn't load. But if i use http://<server>/~<user>/index.php it loads fine. So I then I changed my DocRoot from /var/www to /home/<user>/public_html. At that point the index.php in the user dir loads fine as well.. but it still won't automatically load when I point at the u |
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| 00:23.50 | streuner | wilbertoki: so why didn't you ask in #ubuntu? |
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| 00:24.11 | phaedral | none of the "based on" channels are nearly as responsive |
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| 00:24.22 | Guerin | sucks to use a distro without support |
| 00:24.25 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: not supporting ubuntu? |
| 00:24.25 | streuner | wilbertoki: i know, ubuntu is debian-based, and we are cool |
| 00:24.26 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:24.37 | streuner | wilbertoki: Is there another reason? |
| 00:24.38 | phaedral | if you're "based on" best bet is usually patience and their web-forums |
| 00:24.38 | FieldySnuts | @not supporting ubuntu? |
| 00:24.43 | FieldySnuts | the hell |
| 00:24.46 | FieldySnuts | bbl. |
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| 00:25.05 | idnar | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 00:25.07 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
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| 00:25.35 | nox | some can help me? |
| 00:25.45 | nox | i need to install beagle |
| 00:25.56 | streuner | !factinfo notsupporting ubuntu |
| 00:25.57 | dpkg | streuner: there's no such factoid as notsupporting ubuntu |
| 00:26.03 | mwilson | And you want permission? |
| 00:26.03 | streuner | !factinfo not supporting ubuntu |
| 00:26.03 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as not supporting ubuntu, streuner |
| 00:26.18 | onre | you may not install beagle. period. |
| 00:26.39 | nox | onre: ? |
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| 00:27.19 | impster | <glances around> Anyone? |
| 00:27.41 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 00:27.42 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 00:28.07 | Guerin | impster: #apache |
| 00:28.18 | impster | thanks :D |
| 00:28.52 | richard_ | is there a way to make apt-get and dpkg ignore a packages so-called "unmet dependency" every time i try to do something? i had to make it ignore a depends-version on libgtk1.2-common, and now it bothers me every time i try to install something |
| 00:29.27 | streuner | richard_: what package you want install? |
| 00:29.37 | richard_ | im trying to do an apt-get upgrade |
| 00:30.03 | phaedral | maher: apt-get install wacom-tools seems not to have given me docs; "can I buy a clue?" |
| 00:30.04 | streuner | richard_: from woody to sarge? |
| 00:30.33 | maher | phaedral: i just read the wacom site - just plug in your tablet - does it work? |
| 00:30.34 | richard_ | no, im using ubuntu :P im too lazy to config everything (im a slack/redhat[fedora] fellow) |
| 00:30.41 | richard_ | just all the outdated packages |
| 00:30.56 | phaedral | maher: no go; maybe worth a reboot? |
| 00:31.03 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
| 00:31.05 | maher | phaedral: what kernel |
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| 00:31.14 | streuner | richard_: and why do you asking here? |
| 00:31.30 | phaedral | newbie-ish; can't remember how to check... |
| 00:31.32 | richard_ | because ubuntu is debian with an easier install and a different name, and a few thousand less packages |
| 00:31.33 | phaedral | hang on |
| 00:31.38 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 00:31.38 | maher | phaedral: uname -a |
| 00:31.42 | simonrvn | no it isn't. it's ubuntu |
| 00:31.54 | Guerin | !notdebian ubuntu |
| 00:31.55 | dpkg | Debian is all about policy. Policy guides everything. ubuntu does not have Debian policy, ergo it is not Debian. |
| 00:31.56 | phaedral | 2.4.27 #2 SMP |
| 00:32.00 | richard_ | pretty close though :) |
| 00:32.03 | Guerin | no |
| 00:32.11 | FieldySnuts | this shit is really getting old, i wish we had a way to trigger a bot to call a vote for a +q of these "it's debian" idiots |
| 00:32.21 | FieldySnuts | like a 10 minute +q |
| 00:32.25 | Guerin | pretty far away if you actually look at things like package selection, default config, etc. |
| 00:32.25 | maher | phaedral: what version of debian |
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| 00:32.59 | richard_ | wow, you guys must be tired of people like me :P |
| 00:32.59 | phaedral | ahem; a mixed system, apt-get defaults to testing |
| 00:32.59 | Guerin | really |
| 00:32.59 | simonrvn | YES WE ARE |
| 00:33.00 | shingouz | autokick when ubuntu is mentioned.. and a ten minute ban |
| 00:33.00 | phaedral | as per debian docs |
| 00:33.02 | alnr | mplayer looks for subfont.ttf, what package do I need? (eg for /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/arial.ttf ) |
| 00:33.03 | streuner | that's not an bad idea |
| 00:33.09 | maher | phaedral: stable or testing |
| 00:33.10 | Guerin | yeah it is |
| 00:33.14 | phaedral | testing |
| 00:33.18 | richard_ | especially simonrvn, he resorted to the uber-evil caps |
| 00:33.20 | Guerin | there are legitimate reasons for discussion ubuntu in here |
| 00:33.33 | maher | phaedral: i think if you use a 2.6 kernel it just comes with the wacom driver |
| 00:33.36 | simonrvn | but tech support isn't one of them |
| 00:33.36 | richard_ | anyway, its a dpkg question, so there you go |
| 00:33.44 | phaedral | maher: doh! |
| 00:33.52 | shingouz | ban *!ubuntu@* ;) |
| 00:34.06 | maher | phaedral: its not as good as the version on the wacom site but it works for me |
| 00:34.07 | phaedral | well, thanks anyway; not gonna diddle kernel stuff today; a tad over my head |
| 00:34.10 | Guerin | richard_: the answer to your question is "No." |
| 00:34.21 | Guerin | richard_: you need to use a non-broken package rep. |
| 00:34.24 | streuner | Guerin: the point is not to mention, but the point is rather 'It's debian based'... |
| 00:34.37 | maher | phaedral: there is a 2.6 packaged already for sarge |
| 00:34.41 | onre | having never even seen "ubuntu", want me to help a bit? i have some pretty radical ideas about --forcing stuff. |
| 00:34.49 | Guerin | streuner: automating kicks and bans properly will be non-trivial |
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| 00:35.06 | richard_ | Guerin: one package is version 1.2.-17 and the one it is complaining about is 1.2-11, and it does not make a difference |
| 00:35.24 | phaedral | "doh!" some more; apt-get 2.6 here I come! |
| 00:35.32 | Guerin | richard_: it clearly does, otherwise it'd not complain. Use a non-broken repository. |
| 00:35.42 | alnr | hi what package will populate /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts with a truetype directory? |
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| 00:36.16 | Guerin | richard_: this is 110% an ubuntu issue, and is an excellent example of why we don't support it here. dpkg and apt CANNOT be made to ignore dependencies, no way, no how. Install the package it wants. |
| 00:36.27 | Guerin | richard_: please don't message me. |
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| 00:36.40 | richard_ | ill just downgrade the one it is complaining about then... |
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| 00:36.57 | phaedral | richard_: truth is, if you want a rock steady system with stellar community support, don't do a lookalike |
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| 00:37.26 | phaedral | if you want something with an easier learning curve, go with a lookalike, but don't expect #debian to love you |
| 00:37.45 | onre | and there isn't much learning curve anyway. |
| 00:38.08 | phaedral | the lookalikes exists exactly because debian is concerned with stability |
| 00:38.24 | phaedral | more than frequency of release |
| 00:38.47 | nevyn | hrm |
| 00:39.14 | nevyn | so aptitude's automatic depends stuff would be great if people would stop breaking metapackages. |
| 00:40.36 | nox | . |
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| 00:40.45 | richard_ | over the last couple of years i've found linux a lot easier to learn than windows |
| 00:40.45 | Inf3cted_fx | Hello ppl |
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| 00:40.54 | Inf3cted_fx | can anyone here help ,e? |
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| 00:41.01 | Inf3cted_fx | *me |
| 00:41.08 | Guerin | !asktoask |
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| 00:41.14 | Guerin | !ask2ask |
| 00:41.14 | dpkg | One day, Kn00bie joined #debian, and asked, "Tell me, is it proper to ask first whether one should ask a question, or do ye not require such things?" One of the masters raised his hand, and a towering bot descended from the heavens and knocked Kn00bie to the ground, leaving a large wet spot. Lying there, head spinning, Kn00bie became Enlightened. |
| 00:41.23 | phaedral | richard_: nothing better than debian, even if i came in the back door by way of a lookalike |
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| 00:41.33 | onre | richard_, clear and logical structure of things helps a lot. windows has something resembling it but it's pretty much hidden from the user. |
| 00:41.45 | Inf3cted_fx | I have a problem trying to start up my debian |
| 00:42.00 | shingouz | and? |
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| 00:42.11 | Inf3cted_fx | I just get to GMD |
| 00:42.12 | onre | my crystal ball ran out of batteries so you might have to tell more about this problem. |
| 00:42.22 | Guerin | heh |
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| 00:42.27 | Inf3cted_fx | after I type my username and pass it wont start up |
| 00:42.35 | Lab_Mouse | hello |
| 00:42.47 | Inf3cted_fx | I dont know why if yesterday I was working fine |
| 00:42.50 | phaedral | maher: kindof overwhelmed by the 400+ results for "kernel" in testing at the packages page... |
| 00:43.16 | maher | phaedral: i think the sarge most recetn is 2.6.8 |
| 00:43.48 | Lab_Mouse | streuner - valdyn : i didn't succeed with sarge :( |
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| 00:44.18 | maher | Inf3cted_fx: any error messages? |
| 00:44.26 | shingouz | Inf3cted_fx: of course you do not get any error messages or anything |
| 00:44.28 | Inf3cted_fx | well thats the problem |
| 00:44.35 | Inf3cted_fx | it wont showed me any error message |
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| 00:44.42 | streuner | Lab_Mouse: ask in channel, it's late here, sorry. |
| 00:44.45 | Inf3cted_fx | but the funny thing was I was working fine yesterday |
| 00:44.48 | maher | Inf3cted_fx: do ctrl-alt f2 and try and log in there |
| 00:44.48 | Lab_Mouse | ;) |
| 00:44.49 | Lab_Mouse | ok sorry |
| 00:44.58 | streuner | just ask |
| 00:45.05 | Inf3cted_fx | maher this is the thing |
| 00:45.09 | Inf3cted_fx | I'm already on linux |
| 00:45.11 | onre | check .xsession-errors in your home directory. might contain something useful. |
| 00:45.15 | Inf3cted_fx | I'm using the console |
| 00:45.34 | maher | Inf3cted_fx: you're at the console and you can't log in? |
| 00:45.40 | Inf3cted_fx | in the other console (ctrl+atl+F7) I have my GMD |
| 00:45.54 | Inf3cted_fx | I log in on console |
| 00:46.03 | Inf3cted_fx | but not to X |
| 00:46.12 | Inf3cted_fx | let me try to xplaint it again |
| 00:46.25 | Inf3cted_fx | I get the GMD when is asking me 4 username and pass |
| 00:46.33 | maher | Inf3cted_fx: ok - you have some X problem - look at gdm's log |
| 00:46.45 | Inf3cted_fx | as soon I type my username and pass and hit enter it looks like is going to start |
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| 00:46.57 | Inf3cted_fx | but instead it set me back to GMD |
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| 00:47.02 | liable | somebody was having this prob yesterday, maybe broken gdm, fixed it with xdm |
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| 00:47.11 | Inf3cted_fx | how can I see the GMD log? |
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| 00:47.23 | shingouz | gdm, not gmd |
| 00:47.30 | maher | Inf3cted_fx: loko in /var/log |
| 00:47.33 | madclicker | how good is ntfs write support on 2.6? |
| 00:47.43 | Inf3cted_fx | maher |
| 00:47.50 | Inf3cted_fx | I on /var/log |
| 00:48.01 | Inf3cted_fx | but I have many diferent things |
| 00:48.11 | maher | Inf3cted_fx: look for one called gdm.log |
| 00:48.19 | Lab_Mouse | less gdm.log |
| 00:48.24 | Inf3cted_fx | ko |
| 00:48.27 | Inf3cted_fx | let me c |
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| 00:49.04 | Lab_Mouse | maher: can i paste two lines or it is considered flood ? |
| 00:49.07 | Inf3cted_fx | ok I have log 1, 2, 4 and 4 |
| 00:49.14 | maher | Lab_Mouse: 2 line is ok |
| 00:49.24 | maher | Lab_Mouse: but i am not on op either |
| 00:49.28 | Inf3cted_fx | it should b 4? |
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| 00:50.01 | Lab_Mouse | ;) ok i'll wait a bit for Inf3cted_fx and then paste |
| 00:50.10 | Lab_Mouse | Inf3cted_fx: which is the most recent logfile ? |
| 00:50.21 | Inf3cted_fx | let me c |
| 00:50.29 | Lab_Mouse | i guess the gdm.log will be |
| 00:50.33 | Inf3cted_fx | the 4 one |
| 00:50.37 | Inf3cted_fx | but how can I read it? |
| 00:50.45 | Lab_Mouse | less filename |
| 00:50.47 | Inf3cted_fx | it :0.log.4 |
| 00:50.47 | Lab_Mouse | more filename |
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| 00:51.09 | onre | this won't end well |
| 00:51.34 | Inf3cted_fx | how can I read the log? |
| 00:51.50 | Inf3cted_fx | i'm on /var/log/gmd |
| 00:51.58 | Lab_Mouse | :) type "less" followed by the filename of the file |
| 00:52.10 | Inf3cted_fx | ok |
| 00:52.18 | Lab_Mouse | onre: which this ? |
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| 00:53.29 | Lab_Mouse | the two lines i wanted to paste are the following |
| 00:53.36 | Lab_Mouse | pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 00:53.37 | Inf3cted_fx | mm it doesn't show me at much let me c the others logs |
| 00:53.41 | phaedral | maher: got time to take a look at my errors over in #flood? |
| 00:53.50 | Lab_Mouse | /sbin/init: 431: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 00:53.56 | maher | phaedral: paste away |
| 00:54.02 | Lab_Mouse | does anyone how to fix this ? |
| 00:54.24 | Lab_Mouse | i installed the base sarge system and when booted i got this :( |
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| 00:54.48 | phaedral | so i looked for mkext2fs, nothing on the packages page, nothing in my freshly updated locate |
| 00:55.03 | Lab_Mouse | i loop-mounted the initrd image and tried to mess with it, but couldn't make it work |
| 00:55.03 | madclicker | how good is ntfs write support on 2.6? |
| 00:55.10 | Guerin | madclicker: it's not. |
| 00:55.17 | Lab_Mouse | madclicker: not good i think |
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| 00:55.43 | Inf3cted_fx | it doesn't show me anything |
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| 00:56.40 | madclicker | that sux |
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| 00:56.56 | Guerin | madclicker: yeah. Don't use ntfs. |
| 00:57.19 | Guerin | don't support proprietary, obfuscated software |
| 00:57.31 | madclicker | Guerin:fat is crap |
| 00:57.45 | Guerin | madclicker: yes. |
| 00:57.57 | Guerin | don't use windows -> no problem |
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| 00:58.07 | Inf3cted_fx | it said: (W) warning, (E) error, (NI) inplemented, (???)unknow |
| 00:58.09 | madclicker | Guerin:eheheh |
| 00:58.50 | onre | if you absolutely must have windows too, seriously consider getting another pc. |
| 00:59.09 | madclicker | Guerin: if only linux would support all hardware |
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| 00:59.17 | Guerin | madclicker: buy decent hardware. |
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| 00:59.24 | maher | madclicker: ntfs is not hw |
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| 00:59.26 | adjacent | madclicker: use vmware |
| 00:59.45 | Guerin | madclicker: i think you mean "if only the manufacturers of all my hardware would release specs and documentation" |
| 00:59.46 | dougsko | hi guys |
| 00:59.58 | madclicker | Guerin: i only buy the bomb in hardware |
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| 01:00.00 | phaedral | anyone got a pointer to where I can get mkext2fs; i'm not having any luck at the packages page |
| 01:00.02 | Inf3cted_fx | hey maher |
| 01:00.05 | ysothoth | oh man |
| 01:00.17 | ysothoth | that was one of the dumbest things I ever read |
| 01:00.20 | simonrvn | yeh, when it bombs on you, you whine here =) |
| 01:00.23 | onre | phaedral, it's mke2fs |
| 01:00.29 | Guerin | !supported by |
| 01:00.30 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 01:00.33 | madclicker | Guerin: sweet, and we all woke up |
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| 01:00.55 | onre | phaedral, you more than likely have it already. ext2-utils or something such is the package name. |
| 01:00.55 | Guerin | madclicker: ? |
| 01:01.27 | dougsko | heres a question: i just installed kanotix , and i used ndiswrapper -i <my driver>, for my wireless card. it installed it fine, and it said that the hardware was present. then i type: modprobe ndiswrapper. that goes ok. but when i type iwconfig, wlan0 does not show up. any ideas? |
| 01:01.32 | aficionado | Hi, I am trying to see my console on a TV. The TV says that it supports 640x480 at 60Hz. Does this mean anything in term of bits for the console? |
| 01:01.36 | madclicker | Guerin: i ment it in regards to " all manufacturesrs releasing sepcs" |
| 01:01.38 | phaedral | onre: thx; error message says "mkext2fs", now i know beter |
| 01:01.40 | simonrvn | dougsko: #kanotix |
| 01:01.53 | Guerin | madclicker: don't buy from manufacturers who refuse to, and they will. |
| 01:02.14 | onre | is there seriously a distro called kanotix? :D |
| 01:02.24 | dougsko | im there, but getting no help right now, i thought it might be a debian based question |
| 01:02.24 | Guerin | onre: 1 |
| 01:02.26 | dougsko | yep |
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| 01:02.27 | rking | is there something like "iwconfig wlan0 up"? |
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| 01:02.33 | phaedral | onre: yes; supposed to be a better hdd install than knoppix |
| 01:02.33 | Guerin | dougsko: nope. |
| 01:02.43 | dougsko | hmmm... |
| 01:02.49 | shingouz | <sigh> |
| 01:02.57 | madclicker | Guerin: why would i want to tourcher my self in this limited life span? |
| 01:03.09 | rking | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.18 | maher | madclicker: you probably don't want to torture yourself either |
| 01:03.27 | rking | i don't see how that's not install-ambiguous |
| 01:03.28 | dougsko | yeah i tried ifconfig wlan0 down, then up |
| 01:03.30 | Guerin | buying high quality, supported hardware is tourcher? |
| 01:03.36 | dougsko | no joy |
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| 01:03.50 | ysothoth | What about tourcher |
| 01:03.51 | richard_ | once i get my imac g5 i gotta stick debian on there just for speed reasons |
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| 01:03.57 | rking | dougsko: wait, "ifconfig wlan0 ..." or "iwconfig wlan0..."? |
| 01:04.01 | shingouz | dougsko: #kanotix |
| 01:04.16 | madclicker | maher: my intel P4 is generating so much heat that i lost my spelling and start swetting |
| 01:04.26 | dougsko | when i try iwconfig wlan0 essid <ap name>, it says there is no wlan0 |
| 01:04.40 | rking | dougsko: in the future, don't mention you're not on debian. it causes conniptions for some reason |
| 01:04.52 | dougsko | yeah, i see. sorry guys |
| 01:04.57 | simonrvn | grow a clue please |
| 01:05.05 | phaedral | onre: ext2-modules-2.6.8-power3-di is all i can find; says not to install on pain of death :) |
| 01:05.24 | Guerin | rking: want me to rk you? |
| 01:05.25 | rking | dougsko: are you sure you tride "iwconfig wlan0 up"? just a second ago you typed it "ifconfig", i'm wondering if the typo happened before or something |
| 01:05.47 | dougsko | i tryped that on purpose, i thikn thats the command |
| 01:05.56 | maher | phaedral: try installing the kernel again and see if youget the same error |
| 01:05.59 | madclicker | anyone here with audigy2? |
| 01:06.10 | maher | phaedral: don't install ext2-modules-2.6.8-power3-di |
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| 01:06.12 | rking | Guerin: i don't think this case of "you're not on debian" is justified. i haven't heard him say anything that's not relevant. |
| 01:06.26 | onre | phaedral, e2fsprogs is the correct package, if you're really looking for mke2fs. it should really be in your /sbin, though |
| 01:06.27 | phaedral | maher: yeah, kindof got that "don't install" bit |
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| 01:06.33 | rking | dougsko: ok - earlier you said iwconfig, i didn't know if maybe wlan stuff had a special command |
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| 01:06.44 | Inf3cted_fx | Hello again |
| 01:06.53 | Inf3cted_fx | I believe I have the error message |
| 01:07.03 | Guerin | rking: how do you know? What version are his tools? What's his kernel? what's been patched and haxxored? If you want to help him, fine... but #debian is not the place. |
| 01:07.05 | phaedral | onre: yes, mke2fs is in sbin; |
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| 01:07.15 | Inf3cted_fx | it said: Server is already active to display 0 |
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| 01:07.21 | madclicker | i gave up on my Cmedia 9880 adventure and installed an Audigy2 soundblaster, half a day waisted still no sound :( |
| 01:07.23 | scorphus | Hi! Does the AC97 Audio Controller support multichannel? |
| 01:07.27 | dougsko | yeah, im not sure. ifconfig up brings up the device, while iwconfig sets some configurations for the card |
| 01:07.44 | phaedral | but error message clearly says mkext2fs |
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| 01:07.50 | Guerin | scorphus: ac97 is a codec. |
| 01:07.56 | onre | phaedral, never heard of such command. |
| 01:08.09 | shingouz | scorphus: /msg dpkg ac97 |
| 01:08.14 | phaedral | neither has the packages page |
| 01:08.16 | onre | phaedral, mke2fs makes ext2 (and ext3) filesystems. |
| 01:08.23 | scorphus | but lspci tells me: |
| 01:08.23 | maher | phaedral: try and install the kernel again - paste the errors inflood |
| 01:08.25 | scorphus | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) |
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| 01:08.42 | shingouz | scorphus: it doesnt matter. that is a codec |
| 01:08.56 | onre | phaedral, try entering 'mkext2fs' in google if for nothing else but shits'n'giggles :) |
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| 01:09.18 | dougsko | thanks anyway guys. cya |
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| 01:09.25 | Guerin | scorphus: the answer is "don't use onboard sound if you can help it. spend $20 on a good pci sound card." |
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| 01:10.02 | dabreegster | Guerin: hah! good $20 pci sound card (that's well supported on linux) is an oxymoron |
| 01:10.02 | phaedral | onre: did indeed google for it before whinging |
| 01:10.03 | madclicker | scorpus: and if u lucky u will get sound |
| 01:10.11 | Guerin | sblive? |
| 01:10.16 | maher | phaedral: do youhave initrd-tools |
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| 01:10.24 | dabreegster | I'd love it if I could find one of those |
| 01:10.31 | scorphus | thanks a lot |
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| 01:11.05 | digibox | hello everyone. I am trying to get startx to work but for some reason its not working. "Fatal server error: no screens found" Could someone help me out? |
| 01:11.10 | phaedral | yessir |
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| 01:11.31 | maher | phaedral: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/01/msg00858.html |
| 01:11.38 | shingouz | !no screens found |
| 01:11.39 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
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| 01:12.17 | phaedral | maher: reading... |
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| 01:13.36 | madclicker | is there a module in sarge for AHCI? |
| 01:13.44 | cthulfuego | ahci? |
| 01:14.02 | madclicker | ADVANCED HOST CONTROLER INTERFACE |
| 01:14.07 | Guerin | madclicker: grep AHCI /boot/config-* |
| 01:14.21 | cthulfuego | madclicker: never heard of it, what's that supposed to do? |
| 01:14.37 | Guerin | cthulfuego: control and advanced host, naturally |
| 01:14.47 | Guerin | or provide an interface for something else to do so |
| 01:14.58 | madclicker | cthulfuego: support for intel SATA controller |
| 01:15.16 | cthulfuego | madclicker: Ok, Yes, ICH5 - that's in the 2.6 kernel series. |
| 01:15.39 | madclicker | cthulfuego: or ICH6 |
| 01:15.46 | digibox | ok here is the error on EE "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." |
| 01:16.02 | madclicker | cthulfuego: do u know the module name for it? |
| 01:16.04 | onre | not again. |
| 01:16.06 | cthulfuego | whatever number they're up to. The sarge kernel may or may not be new enough for ICH6, but ICH5 *is* supported. |
| 01:16.07 | shingouz | digibox: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 01:16.12 | onre | !no screens found |
| 01:16.12 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
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| 01:16.51 | digibox | um onre I copied donw the (EE) error listed in the log |
| 01:17.06 | digibox | its the only thing listed after (EE) |
| 01:17.07 | shingouz | digibox: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 01:17.12 | cthulfuego | madclicker: sata_ahci probably |
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| 01:18.29 | madclicker | cthulfuego: in fedora "alais SCSI_host adapter AHCI" |
| 01:18.36 | madclicker | alias |
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| 01:18.44 | digibox | grrrr I am not use to irssi. I know I have a mesage in act 3 but don't know how to switch to the message. |
| 01:18.47 | cthulfuego | madclicker: What is fedora? |
| 01:19.00 | onre | xfree86 configuration file sucks. it allows you to do complex stuff that might be needed in one install out of ten thousand. |
| 01:19.03 | shingouz | digibox: :) |
| 01:19.07 | shingouz | !drxx |
| 01:19.08 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
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| 01:19.13 | madclicker | cthulfuego: REDHAT |
| 01:19.22 | cthulfuego | madclicker: Sorry, I don't use that. |
| 01:20.06 | phaedral | maher: if i'm reading this right, it was fixed in 2.6.8-10? can't seem to find that for 686 |
| 01:20.34 | adjacent | what should i look for to learn about setting up my home router to address LAN comps as sub domains of home.mydomain.com? so i can have mediabox.home.domain.com, etc. |
| 01:20.47 | adjacent | i cant think of the right thing to search for apparently! |
| 01:20.50 | madclicker | cthulfuego: somehow i figured that out, along where u asked what is fedora |
| 01:21.16 | Jebus` | adjacent : dns |
| 01:21.20 | cthulfuego | madclicker: I knew what it was, i was implying fedora is not debian and as such not useful here,. |
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| 01:21.31 | cthulfuego | adjacent: a bind9 box with a few zone files. |
| 01:21.43 | maher | phaedral: might not be intesting yet |
| 01:21.56 | madclicker | cthulfuego: sorry |
| 01:22.15 | maher | phaedral: "In short, you need to update /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf to refer to mkcramfs instead of mkext2fs." |
| 01:22.16 | cthulfuego | madclicker: pasting bits of random config file from a random distro isn't going to be helpful. |
| 01:22.18 | phaedral | which is why i usually search all :( |
| 01:23.00 | adjacent | cthulfuego: ok. zone files are easy enough, will i need to make all the LAN computers use the local router as a nameserver? |
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| 01:23.10 | madclicker | cthulfuego: roger |
| 01:23.15 | cthulfuego | adjacent: yep |
| 01:23.18 | nox | i want to install beagle in debian sarge, someone can help me??? |
| 01:23.35 | bob2 | nox: http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 01:23.37 | digibox | ok could someone help me with what configurations I should probably use? this is the first time installing debian on my own and try to get gui running. Last time I found out I wasnt useing the right driver and needed NV but dont know what else to have to go with. Right now I am being asked what option to use "xserver-xfree86" or "xserver-svga" |
| 01:23.40 | shingouz | nox: apt-get installl beagle i guess |
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| 01:23.50 | cthulfuego | adjacent: So make sure that nameserver has some forwarders set in the cfg file, it can then forward any queries it dfoesn't have zones for to your ISP. |
| 01:24.10 | shingouz | digibox: what card you have? |
| 01:24.16 | digibox | Nvidia |
| 01:24.19 | nox | shingouz: sorry, no |
| 01:24.32 | cthulfuego | adjacent: it you could be naughty and transparently reroute all DNS queries to YOUR server :-) |
| 01:24.34 | shingouz | digibox: make it xserver-xfree86 in that case |
| 01:24.40 | cthulfuego | s/it/or/ |
| 01:24.48 | adjacent | cthulfuego: one more thing, could i set my local router as a authoritative source for only home.domain.com and use the same nameservers from my ISP? |
| 01:25.07 | cthulfuego | adjacent: yep |
| 01:25.14 | adjacent | i control my nameservers, btw. they are both coloed in a noc |
| 01:25.27 | maher | nox: http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/DebianInstall <-- seems like a lot of work |
| 01:25.48 | adjacent | cthulfuego: ok, thats what i think ill look into. thanks for the help! |
| 01:25.49 | cthulfuego | adjacent: That's the setup I have; though the remote dns server gets dynamic updated via 'nsupdate' coz my external home IP changes. |
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| 01:25.59 | phaedral | dpkg: give maher a beer |
| 01:26.01 | digibox | I want to manage XFree86 4.x config file by debconfig right? |
| 01:26.06 | nox | maher: yes, but i have dudes about that |
| 01:26.07 | phaedral | :) |
| 01:26.15 | adjacent | cthulfuego: yeh, i have a cron job to update if it changes. |
| 01:26.17 | shingouz | digibox: yes |
| 01:26.25 | cthulfuego | adjacent: That way I alsways have 'vpn.home.mydomain.com' as opposed to a yuck dyndns name. |
| 01:26.34 | digibox | and I use NV driver |
| 01:26.59 | adjacent | that gives me an idea though. if i set my DNS server as an SNMP trap server and let the home router trap changes on the WAN ip, i could really simplify the updates |
| 01:27.16 | adjacent | with a trigger on the snmp change, of course |
| 01:27.22 | digibox | or is there another driver I should be useing? |
| 01:27.38 | onre | adjacent, pretty cool idea actually :) |
| 01:27.48 | shingouz | digibox: nv is good. there is not much of a 3d with it but it shoudl work |
| 01:28.09 | cthulfuego | adjacent: Just be sure both boxen run ntpd :-) |
| 01:28.20 | adjacent | hehe. http://www.bftwave.com/~scott/pictures/4.JPG |
| 01:28.28 | cthulfuego | adjacent: Coz they'll refuse to update the IP when the time os more then 5 or so minutes out of sync. |
| 01:28.32 | adjacent | linux box/wifi box/router box/monitor box/etc/etc/etc |
| 01:28.55 | adjacent | yeh, the dns server is an ntp server for my machines |
| 01:29.06 | adjacent | that has royally screwed me in the past, btw |
| 01:29.11 | onre | exactly what is this mast-sort of thing? :) |
| 01:29.26 | adjacent | antenna |
| 01:29.34 | onre | ack |
| 01:29.38 | cthulfuego | Yes, it's highly annoying whena box drops off the face of the earth and you need to wait for a failed cron job to mail you the IP |
| 01:29.40 | adjacent | http://www.bftwave.com/~scott/pictures/2.JPG |
| 01:29.50 | nox | i want to install beagle in debian sarge, someone can help me??? |
| 01:30.06 | digibox | I think my HD just failed |
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| 01:30.18 | shingouz | nox: http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/DebianInstall |
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| 01:30.40 | bob2 | nox: maybe you should stop being annoying and read the links people have given you? |
| 01:30.41 | cthulfuego | adjacent: Someone should tell Scott he can halve tranmission loss if he shortens the pigtail. |
| 01:31.12 | adjacent | cthulfuego: heh. i know, i do wifi for a living, but its less that a <.5dB loss on that |
| 01:31.25 | cthulfuego | adjacent: <heh> |
| 01:31.27 | adjacent | and it covers my house and surrounding yard nicely already! =) |
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| 01:31.38 | adjacent | no need to encourage the neighbors |
| 01:31.51 | cthulfuego | adjacent: I've been halted by plice here wandering around with a laptop and a MASSIVE directional antenna :-) |
| 01:32.31 | adjacent | if you have an suv, you can mount it on a tripod and cover it with a black trashbag. works for me |
| 01:32.31 | user_ | ctjulfuego and what did you say |
| 01:32.31 | Neverm1nd | peice of shit laptop |
| 01:32.38 | cthulfuego | http://www.mrx.com.au/wireless/AndrewsAntenna1.jpg |
| 01:33.01 | cthulfuego | user_: "Just checking for connectivity with another wireless node" and that seemed to be fine <heh> |
| 01:33.06 | Neverm1nd | My laptop has a lan port and looks like it has on board lan but it doesnt |
| 01:33.13 | Neverm1nd | LAME! |
| 01:33.36 | paolo | Hi guy! I have a problem with ppp 2.4.3 (before it didn't appear): in persist mode, at "starting link" sometimes ppp dies saying in syslog: "pppd[23726]: tcsetattr: Invalid argument (line 964)" and other error with "line 1003". Any suggestion? thank you! |
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| 01:33.47 | user_ | cthulfuego :) would you happen to know if the rt2500 chipset crards a have a plug for antenna hidden under the cover? ;P |
| 01:33.48 | cthulfuego | Neverm1nd: or is the chip just not supported by debian? |
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| 01:34.08 | Neverm1nd | no, I just installed xp on it |
| 01:34.21 | cthulfuego | user_: rt2500? let me have a perv |
| 01:34.22 | Neverm1nd | after trying forever to get it to work |
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| 01:34.38 | user_ | cthulfuego perv? |
| 01:34.44 | Neverm1nd | its supposed to be an onboard laptop nic, with an Intel 82559 chip |
| 01:34.46 | ArielMT | cthulfuego: that kind of antenna is very similar to the kind my isp uses for wireless internet sevice |
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| 01:34.58 | phaedral | rats |
| 01:35.05 | cthulfuego | Neverm1nd: Might just be broken |
| 01:35.07 | phaedral | booted fine, but killed x |
| 01:35.16 | Neverm1nd | pos |
| 01:35.25 | Neverm1nd | I want to punch it |
| 01:35.31 | phaedral | anyway, just popped in to say thanks again for the help; i'll have to come back to this another day |
| 01:35.41 | cthulfuego | user_: Do you have a picture of it anywhere? |
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| 01:36.03 | user_ | cthulfuego only in the cover... ralink is the manufactorer of chipset |
| 01:36.53 | user_ | cthulfuego the link to the manufactorer of chipset is http://www.ralinktech.com/ |
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| 01:37.32 | cthulfuego | user_: What brand/model is the card itself? |
| 01:37.43 | madclicker | does anyone know if a newer version of 2.6 will be released soon? |
| 01:37.45 | user_ | cthulfuego http://www.ralinktech.com/prod-2.htm is the inside pictures :) |
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| 01:38.34 | user_ | cthulfuego one sec i'll find the company |
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| 01:40.32 | madclicker | laterz all |
| 01:41.05 | user_ | cthulfuego http://zonetusa.com/DispProduct.asp?ProductID=145 |
| 01:41.36 | paolo | Hi guys! did anyone report problems with ppp 2.4.3 in persist mode? In my testing box it exits with an error "pppd[23726]: tcsetattr: Invalid argument (line 964)" in syslog. Any idea? |
| 01:41.43 | c01100011 | i am looking for a simple, stop watch program for gnome, any recomendations ? |
| 01:42.37 | onre | combine ^C and time cat |
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| 01:42.56 | onre | oh, gnome... |
| 01:42.59 | onre | didn't see that. |
| 01:43.27 | c01100011 | onre. - just said gnome because i didn't want to hear kde tea cooker , what were you saying ? |
| 01:43.48 | aficionado | is there a way to figure out what vga mode the console is currently set at? |
| 01:44.01 | onre | well if all you need is something really simple that can measure a certain time interval, 'time cat' and ^C when the interval is over. |
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| 01:44.43 | c01100011 | ohh cool, i like this , thanks onre |
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| 01:47.02 | Equinox | Is there any way to record a mouse script in Linux?(Ie to click on something every 5 seconds..?) |
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| 01:48.51 | resiak | gtimer ? |
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| 01:49.27 | Skrot | hi.. how can I recursivly rename all files/dir's in a dir to lowercase? :] |
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| 01:51.15 | c01100011 | Skrot- sounds like a good application for a perl oneliner , wish i was a perl god and could hand it to you |
| 01:51.39 | onre | for i in `find .`; do mv $i "`echo $i|tr [A-Z][a-z]`"; done <- might break horrendously on spaces |
| 01:51.50 | aficionado | resiak: try this... http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/svlug/2002-December/042892.html |
| 01:52.10 | aficionado | resiak: or onre's will be a quick one too :) |
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| 01:52.27 | onre | heck. it might actually fail in some other ways too given there's a special enough case |
| 01:52.49 | onre | i _hate_ the way args get passed on *n*x. |
| 01:53.02 | bismark | . |
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| 01:55.04 | aficionado | how can you see what run level you are currently at? |
| 01:55.34 | Justin | onre: maybe you should learn how to do it correctly then? |
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| 01:56.22 | onre | Justin, i know how to do it. i can do many other things well, too, but i still don't like the way they work. |
| 01:56.27 | stew | aficionado: type runlevel |
| 01:57.12 | gringo | hi, I have a problem configuring my audio cards.. when I run lspci it is detected and configured, the right model and all, but when I try for example cat bigfile >/dev/dsp I got an error that says '/dev/dsp no such device' |
| 01:57.29 | rking | gringo: i just tackled this one today |
| 01:57.38 | Justin | gringo: lspci lists pci devices, not configured devices. |
| 01:57.40 | aficionado | stew: lol, thanks! |
| 01:58.00 | rking | gringo: dsp is only available if you have oss support compiled-in - did you compile the ALSA stuff? |
| 01:58.02 | gringo | Justin, that's funny.. can't it just get the driver if it detected it? |
| 01:58.09 | onre | Justin, just an innocent question: how do you think the idea of shell doing filename expansion fits the unix 'philosophy'? |
| 01:58.21 | gringo | rking, I'm not sure.. I have the alsamixer command so I think I did |
| 01:58.42 | FieldySnuts | heh if you don't like it use a shell that doesn't |
| 01:58.57 | onre | FieldySnuts, expansion. not completion. |
| 01:58.59 | rking | onre: Everything does one thing well. The shell speaks a shell language, which includes a file pattern matching... i don't know, would you like it to get expanded deep inside exec()? if so, what about ~? |
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| 01:59.10 | gringo | rking, however alsaconf doesn't detect my sound card |
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| 01:59.17 | {Hecubus} | is it possible to stripe two raid 5 arrays using mdadm or raidtools? |
| 01:59.29 | onre | rking, how about the version 7 way of having a /bin/glob doing it for you? everything does one thing well. |
| 01:59.40 | FieldySnuts | {Hecubus}: mirror yes, stripe i'm not sure what you mean. i've done neither. |
| 02:00.08 | rking | onre: so run an additional process for each argument of each program? |
| 02:00.18 | Justin | {Hecubus}: why would you want a slow performing non-redundant array? |
| 02:00.26 | rking | gringo: well, did you compile your own server? |
| 02:00.26 | caphuso | onre: that was a severly limited way of doing it |
| 02:00.35 | FieldySnuts | Justin: i'm thinking he meant mirrored. |
| 02:00.39 | onre | rking, each argument? all filename arguments. |
| 02:00.40 | gringo | rking, you mean kernel? |
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| 02:00.46 | FieldySnuts | 1+5 or 5+1 whatever (i'm dyslexic) |
| 02:00.54 | onre | caphuso, limited how? |
| 02:00.56 | {Hecubus} | FieldySnuts: I have 2 raid 5 arrays, say md0 (120GB) and md1 (320GB). I want to know if its possible to make a raid 0 array using the two raid 5 arrays |
| 02:01.03 | rking | onre: how would it know which arguments are filenames, and which are options, etc? |
| 02:01.13 | rking | gringo: oh, geez... yep. freudian slip |
| 02:01.14 | FieldySnuts | no idea, even if i did i'd never recommend it |
| 02:01.19 | {Hecubus} | justin: it would actually still be redundant since the raid 0 would be compromised of raid 5 devices |
| 02:01.30 | onre | rking, because the app parses its own options and passes the rest to glob - or doesn't, if the app wants to do something else with the filename arguments. |
| 02:01.30 | gringo | rking, I apt-get it :) |
| 02:01.43 | gringo | rking, I'm not sure but I think I didn't |
| 02:01.53 | gringo | rking, what am I looking for? |
| 02:01.53 | Justin | {Hecubus}: eh, I suppose.. would still probably be slow... raid 5 isn't exactly fast |
| 02:01.57 | onre | rking, ever tried to get the actual command line typed by the user into a variable, even in a shell script? :) |
| 02:01.58 | {Hecubus} | yeah |
| 02:02.02 | caphuso | onre: you'll run into ARG_MAX problems with things like for loops |
| 02:02.14 | {Hecubus} | basically i'm just looking for "one big ass drive" for music/movies/etc |
| 02:02.19 | {Hecubus} | doesnt need to be fast |
| 02:02.21 | onre | caphuso, give me an example. can't see how. |
| 02:02.26 | rking | gringo: ok, i'm pretty sure you'd remember if you did it. ok, do dpkg -l | grep -i alsa |
| 02:02.57 | gringo | yes it is |
| 02:02.58 | gringo | alsa-base |
| 02:03.06 | gringo | alsa-headers, alsa-utils |
| 02:03.19 | caphuso | onre: e.g. 'for a in *; do mv "$a" ..; done' in large directories |
| 02:03.28 | gringo | rking: but, I think I have installed later, when trying to configure my sound card |
| 02:03.41 | gringo | rking: I have alsa's libsounds too |
| 02:03.58 | rking | gringo: you have the tools, but you don't have the modules. what kernel are you running? dpkg -l | grep kernel |
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| 02:04.23 | rking | gringo: apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686; # for example |
| 02:04.25 | onre | caphuso, the shell execing glob for the wildcard and getting the return through a pipe shouldn't result in any sort of ARG_MAX problem. |
| 02:04.44 | gringo | heh.. I have a lot of kernel installed :p ... curently 2.4.27-1-686 |
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| 02:05.26 | gringo | rking: is that the one for my kernel? I am 27-1 |
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| 02:05.35 | FieldySnuts | uname -r |
| 02:05.44 | rking | gringo: ok, do the exact command i have up there, then. the -1 is the package version itself |
| 02:05.47 | caphuso | onre: and that's somehow better than the current way? |
| 02:06.01 | scorphus | how do I know for sure if OSS is not loaded on the system? |
| 02:06.08 | rking | gringo: it gets a little confusing because the packages have upstream versions, and then they have sub-versions that the debian maintainers might use |
| 02:06.12 | onre | caphuso, as i stated earlier, it'd let applications decide themselves what to do with wildcards. less confusion, more clear user interface. |
| 02:06.20 | gringo | ah ok |
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| 02:06.38 | caphuso | onre: they can do that, if they want |
| 02:06.39 | Guerin | scorphus: lsmod |grep snd # look for sound modules not starting with snd- |
| 02:06.49 | onre | caphuso, no they can't. shell expands wildcards for them. |
| 02:06.57 | caphuso | onre: quote it |
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| 02:07.24 | caphuso | or use a shell without wildcard expansion... |
| 02:07.34 | onre | _there_is_no_shell_without_wildcard_expansion_. |
| 02:07.42 | onre | well, whatever. |
| 02:07.44 | FieldySnuts | bs |
| 02:08.06 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.21 | onre | work around a kludge with another kludge, i see. :) |
| 02:08.31 | scorphus | Guerin: there are dozen starting with snd_ (_ not -) and a 'snd' which is used by the others snd_ |
| 02:08.35 | rking | i guarantee what would happen if you did that: you'd end up with individual programs creating their own special glob formats, and it'd be crazy. |
| 02:08.58 | rking | onre: i can't recall ever wanting to see the un-expanded stuff |
| 02:09.03 | caphuso | onre: i think you don't understand the situation |
| 02:09.18 | onre | rking, less crazy than the current quote-this-quote-that? and it'd be bad if rm actually had a chance to ask before deleting something that's apparently a misplaced wilcard? |
| 02:09.33 | caphuso | plus, your argumentation is so flawed that it's near to trolling |
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| 02:09.42 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 02:09.49 | onre | what's flawed about it? |
| 02:09.52 | onre | i'm genuinely interested. |
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| 02:11.54 | rking | gringo: remember, once you've got the alsa stuff working (confirmable by "aplay foo.wav"), then you'll also need more to get /dev/dsp, possibly alsa-oss is the pkg you want |
| 02:12.33 | gringo | rking: I've already installed the modules.. I've got a few errors I am not sure what are them about.. when I tried to detect my sound card with 'alsaconf' it couldn't find it |
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| 02:12.44 | gringo | rking: was this what I was supposed to do? |
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| 02:13.10 | FieldySnuts | @lart my primary dns server (went unresponsive) |
| 02:13.33 | rking | gringo: try installing alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686 again and show me a line in the error |
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| 02:14.58 | digibox | to switch from ext2 to ext3 is "tune2fs -j /dev/hda1" for hda1 right? |
| 02:15.12 | caphuso | digibox: and a complete umount |
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| 02:15.14 | FieldySnuts | not sure, but i'd have full backups ot be sure |
| 02:15.33 | onre | digibox, that. and the point about backups is valid, though i've never had a problem doing that. |
| 02:15.37 | caphuso | tune2fs -j is safe |
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| 02:15.47 | FieldySnuts | Phated: bite |
| 02:16.03 | aficionado | I am trying to specify the HorizSync of 60Hz, but it keeps complaining about the "Hz" at the end(HorizSync 60Hz). The default is kHz. what am I doing wrong? |
| 02:16.52 | gringo | rking: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/updates/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o |
| 02:17.00 | gringo | rking: and 3 more lines like the above |
| 02:17.03 | toresbe | aficionado: The horiz is in Hz |
| 02:17.08 | ArielMT | horizontal synch must be in kilohertz. -vertical- synch must be in hertz. that's the way all tubes have worked since the invention of crts |
| 02:17.12 | caphuso | aficionado: 60Hz? that's vertical |
| 02:17.27 | toresbe | aficionado: The horiz is in KHz* |
| 02:17.31 | digibox | and a complete umount? why umount? and how when its root HD? |
| 02:17.36 | FieldySnuts | 60KBadgerz |
| 02:17.36 | toresbe | aficionado: While vert is in Hz. |
| 02:17.37 | caphuso | digibox: reboot |
| 02:17.40 | aficionado | toresbe: # HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified. |
| 02:17.43 | digibox | oh ok |
| 02:17.46 | digibox | brb then |
| 02:18.04 | FieldySnuts | i got a feelin he'll be back :) |
| 02:18.05 | toresbe | aficionado: What monitor do you have? |
| 02:18.28 | gringo | rking: and 3 more lines like the above |
| 02:18.29 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: is your ident named after the bird? |
| 02:18.31 | gringo | rking: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/updates/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o |
| 02:18.40 | aficionado | caphuso: the TV specs says that the sync rate is 60Hz |
| 02:18.52 | ArielMT | that's vertical synch |
| 02:18.54 | aficionado | toresbe: I am trying to connect to a TV |
| 02:18.57 | caphuso | aficionado: vertical, not horizontal |
| 02:19.12 | aficionado | caphuso: how can I figure out the Horizontal? |
| 02:19.18 | aficionado | it doesn't say anywhere in the specs |
| 02:19.38 | toresbe | aficionado: With the TV out? |
| 02:19.44 | aficionado | nope, normal VGA input |
| 02:20.00 | toresbe | ... |
| 02:20.09 | rking | gringo: well, i'm pretty sure that if you wanted to take the plunge and compile the kernel by hand, you'd get this fixed. I don't use the kernel-image's enough to really help you on this approach. =\ Granted, though, compiling the kernel can take some hard learning if you're not familiar. Check the Kernel-HOWTO |
| 02:20.21 | toresbe | ooh, the TV has VGA? |
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| 02:20.45 | aficionado | toresbe: yes, let me get the URL |
| 02:20.57 | gringo | rking: I'm going to google it first, I'll let you know if I can work this out |
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| 02:21.56 | aficionado | toresbe: http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/televisions/details.asp?id=43 <--- has the manual |
| 02:22.17 | rking | good idea, gringo |
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| 02:22.23 | digibox | hello back |
| 02:22.42 | digibox | but thats a statement of ovious though |
| 02:22.57 | FieldySnuts | @annoy digibox |
| 02:22.59 | ravenbird | digibox: bash: RTFM: command not found!!!!! |
| 02:22.59 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 02:23.18 | digibox | :) |
| 02:24.45 | digibox | do I need x-window-system to startx? I was trying to remove xdm because it trys to start on startup and I dont want it to but to remove xdm I have to remove x-window-system too |
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| 02:25.34 | aficionado | toresbe: any ideas? |
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| 02:26.22 | rixth_afk | digibox, it's not as it sounds. |
| 02:26.34 | rixth_afk | x-window-system is only 40 or so kb. Press Y |
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| 02:26.49 | rixth_afk | (It won't hurt anything, I promise) |
| 02:27.21 | rixth_afk | !flw |
| 02:27.21 | dpkg | i heard flw3 is < zontak2> stable systems suck, nothing exciting |
| 02:27.40 | toresbe | aficionado: How about setting a high horiz then limiting the vert to 60, and then set 640x480 as the only resolution? |
| 02:27.43 | rixth_afk | !flw32 |
| 02:27.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flw32 is <stew> ooops. client just figured out that i mistakenly checked in code that was creating a file named /tmp/fuckyou every time you ran the program |
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| 02:27.54 | rixth_afk | Dammit, where is mine!@ |
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| 02:28.20 | toresbe | What does FLW stand for? |
| 02:28.26 | toresbe | !flw |
| 02:28.26 | dpkg | it has been said that flw8 is <wookey> novell wouldnt sell |
| 02:28.26 | rixth_afk | Famous lsat words |
| 02:28.30 | digibox | how do I reconfigure x again? some reason my HD stoped running in the middle of running reconfigure on xfree86 and forgot how to |
| 02:28.31 | toresbe | ahh |
| 02:29.08 | kay | can i join u |
| 02:29.10 | rixth_afk | !flw34 |
| 02:29.10 | dpkg | flw34 is, like, < rixth_> My computer went mental! |
| 02:29.11 | aficionado | toresbe: hmm... let me check |
| 02:29.12 | rixth_afk | Woohoo |
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| 02:30.31 | chealer | !drxx digibox |
| 02:30.32 | dpkg | digibox: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 02:32.06 | Downix | hola everyone |
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| 02:32.46 | aficionado | toresbe: hmm... I guess I need to define a Modeline at 640x480 also... I am going to google that catch up on the syntax |
| 02:33.03 | toresbe | aficionado: Good luck |
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| 02:33.07 | digibox | oh should I use kernel fraimbuffer device interface? I have an NVidia card |
| 02:33.09 | aficionado | toresbe: thanks a lot! |
| 02:33.18 | digibox | dunno if that means anything though for the question |
| 02:33.24 | Downix | I had an idea for my spare linux box but not sure how to pull it off |
| 02:33.34 | chealer | digibox: what's your release? |
| 02:33.56 | digibox | release for what? the video card? |
| 02:34.08 | chealer | digibox: your debian release, is it sarge? |
| 02:34.20 | Downix | how could I make a Linux-based Hard-Drive Multichannel Audio Recorder? |
| 02:34.29 | digibox | well its woody right now but I plan to upgrade to sarge once I get x running |
| 02:35.08 | EvilSporkMan | i'm having some weird trouble with my optical drives. they appear to mount CDs fine, but I can't rip from either one using abcde - it says readtrack-01: returned code 73 (can't google this). cdparanoia itself seems to work, but it is constantly showing the :-P output smiley and reading all +s instead of no correction needed. |
| 02:35.42 | chealer | digibox: I'm not sure that changes anything, but what's your video card exactly? |
| 02:35.44 | EvilSporkMan | abcde was working earlier today with no apparent configuration change, and I just checked the cables on the drives (they are master and slave on the same IDE cable). they are also brand-new drives. |
| 02:36.31 | digibox | NVidia 100/200.... at least what is said on bootup |
| 02:36.37 | mwilson | Hm... are there any non-Athena VNC clients for *nix? I certainly can't find one. |
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| 02:37.42 | Downix | the main thing I can think of is what quality sound input cards does Linux support? I've never paid much attention to the audio side of things |
| 02:37.45 | chealer | digibox: I don't know what that is. maybe lspci tells you |
| 02:38.04 | Xenn | test |
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| 02:38.30 | Thanatermesis | <Thanatermesis> modprobe cloop file=mainmod_file |
| 02:38.31 | Thanatermesis | <Thanatermesis> mount /dev/cloop mounted/ |
| 02:38.31 | Thanatermesis | <Thanatermesis> tar -cf mainmod.tar mounted |
| 02:38.31 | Thanatermesis | <Thanatermesis> tar: mounted/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: the 'socket' not are copied |
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| 02:38.44 | digibox | GeForce2 MX DDR |
| 02:38.45 | Thanatermesis | :o |
| 02:38.45 | onre | Downix, RME hammerfall stuff is supported. and many other multichannel cards too. |
| 02:38.51 | Thanatermesis | only 4 lines = kick? :/ |
| 02:39.09 | onre | Downix, there's ardour, a open-source hard disk recording suite that's really great. |
| 02:39.15 | onre | Downix, i've recorded a lot using linux. |
| 02:39.17 | FieldySnuts | only? that's a lot dilhole |
| 02:39.18 | BadMan | !paster |
| 02:39.18 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian#debian, and paste away. |
| 02:39.22 | FieldySnuts | !annoy Thanatermesis |
| 02:39.26 | FieldySnuts | @annoy Thanatermesis |
| 02:39.27 | ravenbird | Thanatermesis: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 02:39.29 | Downix | onre: trying to avoid spending a fortune too |
| 02:39.31 | user_ | Thanatermesis http://www.ppcnerds.org/displayarticle186.html |
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| 02:39.40 | toresbe | Thanatermesis: This is a large channel |
| 02:39.41 | Thanatermesis | O_o |
| 02:39.45 | onre | Downix, check http://www.alsa-project.org/ for supported cards. M-audio stuff is supported, too. |
| 02:39.46 | Thanatermesis | yes.. :/ |
| 02:40.07 | toresbe | Thanatermesis: It's sort of a tradeoff |
| 02:40.11 | onre | Downix, and buying a RME multiface or fireface might be expensive, but they're damn good converters. |
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| 02:40.44 | Downix | I'm not yet of the financial situation to be able to pull that one off |
| 02:40.49 | digibox | anyway should I use framebuffer for my card? |
| 02:40.52 | EvilSporkMan | so i guess what i want to know is how to continue troubleshooting this problem...i am inclined to suspect software |
| 02:40.53 | toresbe | The bigger the channel, the lower the tolerance for pasting |
| 02:41.31 | Downix | right now I'd be happy with a simple analog stereo input that delivers warm sound |
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| 02:41.46 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.09 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.25 | gameover | hello... i need help |
| 02:42.33 | gameover | i cant mount my cdrom |
| 02:42.33 | onre | Downix, M-audio audiophile 2496. if i remember the type correctly. |
| 02:42.38 | gameover | somebody' |
| 02:42.39 | gameover | ? |
| 02:42.58 | Downix | Let me look it up, I think I might have an M-audio card around here already actually |
| 02:43.11 | EvilSporkMan | !tell gameover about smart questions |
| 02:43.14 | onre | Downix, cheap, rock solid, 24bit@96kHz. |
| 02:43.14 | Downix | I know my audigy's mic and line in is weak tho |
| 02:43.23 | digibox | ok I need help with my mouse selection on xfree86. I have a ps/2 scroll mouse and dont know what selection to use |
| 02:43.25 | onre | audigy is consumer stuff. |
| 02:43.52 | Downix | onre: right, as I said, weak |
| 02:43.57 | onre | yup :) |
| 02:44.01 | Downix | I think I have an older M-audio card tho |
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| 02:44.09 | onre | many of them are supported, check the site. |
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| 02:44.20 | chealer | digibox: try both, first without fb |
| 02:44.38 | Downix | *nods* |
| 02:44.41 | Downix | I'll dig it out |
| 02:44.45 | chealer | digibox: /dev/psaux |
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| 02:45.23 | Downix | ok, found it |
| 02:45.25 | Downix | it's a 2496 |
| 02:45.31 | onre | so you're all set. |
| 02:45.36 | Downix | alright |
| 02:45.54 | Downix | I'll look up ardour as well |
| 02:46.15 | Downix | man, trying to set up an audio rig is prooving more difficult than my movie cameras |
| 02:46.22 | onre | there is a debian package in sarge at least, homepage http://ardour.sf.net/ |
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| 02:47.05 | mwilson | Hm, using tightvnc's java client is a LITTLE better... |
| 02:47.28 | Downix | I'm getting debian running again slowly, have a kvm setup right now between it and my windows box |
| 02:47.28 | FieldySnuts | yeah it's not bad |
| 02:47.29 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.46 | abrotman | user_: which kernel ? |
| 02:47.55 | Downix | but, I'm not going to trust location work to anything but Linux |
| 02:47.55 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.59 | rking | do any of ya'll know of a game(s) that involve using the microphone as part of the objective? in honor of my recent successes with "arecord" (first time I've ever used a microphone under linux, although I have done the "plug the headphones into the mic" trick before), I'm going to either play or (eventually) write a game. Think Donkey Conga, for example |
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| 02:48.12 | rectum | my backspace key stopped working in xterm. I checked the .Xmodmap file, but its empty, blank, what do I need to do, I ran the modmap program with -pk and got the code 22 for back space, how do I put it in the file and make it work, any tutorial or anything? |
| 02:48.13 | abrotman | user_: debian or vanilla ? |
| 02:48.19 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.40 | abrotman | user_: it woudl be the kernel.org change log plus the ones at packages.debian.org |
| 02:49.28 | onre | Downix, linux rocks for such. ardour is easy to setup so that you type one command and have ardour in front of you, listening to all lines at line level, ready to record. setup time two seconds :) |
| 02:49.36 | EvilSporkMan | rking: kareoke revolution |
| 02:49.45 | Downix | *nods* |
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| 02:50.05 | Downix | not that I need much more than a DAC to dump it to a hard drive for synching up later |
| 02:50.10 | digibox | hmmm I change configuration and I still get it saying "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." |
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| 02:50.31 | chealer | user_: if it would be worth, you should be able to tell us why |
| 02:50.37 | digibox | I have no idea what I am doing wrong |
| 02:50.38 | chealer | !tell digibox about no screens found |
| 02:50.40 | rectum | any word on the backspace key not working under xterm |
| 02:50.54 | digibox | chealer: I already went through that |
| 02:51.06 | Downix | so far ardour may be overkill, but that's ok |
| 02:51.10 | chealer | user_: there's one particularly bad bug in 2.6.8 for burning |
| 02:51.24 | chealer | digibox: you mean you found no other errors? |
| 02:51.35 | digibox | thats the only error |
| 02:51.42 | chealer | digibox: then warnings? |
| 02:51.44 | rking | karaoke revolution is just for console gaming, right? there's no PC/Linux version that I can see here... or are you suggesting that as something to clone? could be fun |
| 02:52.04 | user_ | chealer never had bugs in burning :) |
| 02:52.07 | onre | Downix, yup. basically you could replace a protools box with it. |
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| 02:52.41 | digibox | no warnings that I could see |
| 02:52.57 | Downix | Right now my main concern is in getting a working location recording rig in place by November. If I can by-pass the need for on-location amplifiers, mixing boards, etc, all the better |
| 02:53.01 | EvilSporkMan | rking: it's just console gaming, yes. Who would make such a thing for PC? it is surely not PC-friendly, even less so than DDR |
| 02:53.08 | EvilSporkMan | any ideas on this optical drive issue? |
| 02:53.39 | Delph | EvilSporkMan: as opposed to the DDR machines which are mostly just PCs =:) |
| 02:53.40 | chealer | digibox: sorry I'm a loser, looks like I gave you a useless factoid |
| 02:53.59 | digibox | unless (WW) is warnings |
| 02:54.04 | chealer | digibox: it is |
| 02:54.15 | chealer | the code is at the top |
| 02:54.49 | JLogik | why is debian better than ubuntu? |
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| 02:55.11 | chealer | !tell JLogik about why debian |
| 02:55.20 | abrotman | chealer: that won't answer that question |
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| 02:55.28 | chealer | JLogik: that's a question you should ask to people who say that |
| 02:55.33 | onre | Downix, it's even possible to rig ardour & wine to support some VST plugins. |
| 02:55.46 | Downix | Don't need anything that fancy at the moment |
| 02:56.07 | Downix | just getting the sound from the microphone to a hard drive and making sure it is crystal synch'd will be fine |
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| 02:56.19 | digibox | '(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/x11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.' |
| 02:56.22 | EvilSporkMan | JLogik: Ubuntu does some things automatically that you'll have to undo if you know what you're doing and wanted to do it differently |
| 02:56.33 | digibox | dont think thats the problem but there is another warning |
| 02:56.48 | EvilSporkMan | JLogik: for example, it installs lots of packages by default and without asking |
| 02:56.52 | idealbsd | whats the diffrence between fakeroot debian/rules binary and dpkg-buildpackage when compile a deb file? |
| 02:57.02 | digibox | "(WW) Cannot open APM" |
| 02:57.19 | JLogik | well ubuntu wont work with vmware |
| 02:57.30 | JLogik | from a XP machine |
| 02:57.30 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | there's one good reason |
| 02:57.45 | digibox | thoes are the only warnings I got |
| 02:58.04 | abrotman | yay .. gnomebaker dies a horrible death |
| 02:58.07 | digibox | so any help with my problem? |
| 02:58.19 | abrotman | xfonts-base |
| 02:58.25 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 02:58.31 | abrotman | digibox: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:58.39 | abrotman | then you can find out which should have something there .. and install it |
| 02:58.49 | EvilSporkMan | user_: the best answer seems to be "it depends" |
| 02:59.26 | benjamindees | user_, Ubuntu has a lot of newer packages, which can be a good or bad thing |
| 02:59.26 | chealer | digibox: try to google that if nobody can help |
| 02:59.34 | chealer | abrotman: I'm not sure that file exists |
| 02:59.43 | JLogik | which is better for wardriving? |
| 02:59.46 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.50 | chealer | abrotman: maybe digibox just entered a wrong language in drxx |
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| 03:00.05 | chealer | user_: oh yeah? I never heard that |
| 03:00.11 | abrotman | whoever just sent me a message .. send it again |
| 03:00.12 | chealer | abrotman: maybe digibox just entered a wrong language in drxx |
| 03:00.16 | chealer | abrotman: I'm not sure that file exists |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | chealer: apt-file search cyrillic |
| 03:00.27 | benjamindees | user_, I can't imagine why |
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| 03:01.35 | CyL | what does "kernel: usb 2-3: control timeout on ep0in" means? |
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| 03:01.53 | digibox | hmmm well I have a Japanese keyboard. I could try to configure over again but I am not realy sure what I was to put down for keyboard options |
| 03:02.28 | chealer | abrotman: ok...maybe the directory structure for it just changed since woody |
| 03:02.36 | digibox | and also I do not have the ability to search right now on the net as I dont have GUI and firefox |
| 03:02.45 | Downix | ok, have enough to work from here |
| 03:02.49 | Downix | thanks everyone |
| 03:02.56 | Downix | going to go try it out |
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| 03:03.04 | Guerin | digibox: that doesn't mean you can't search the web |
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| 03:03.15 | chealer | digibox: do you know that if you just installed woody you could just download the sarge netinst and reinstall? |
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| 03:03.33 | chealer | digibox: that netinst is ~ 110 MB |
| 03:03.55 | chealer | the iso you have to burn, that is |
| 03:03.55 | digibox | what difference would that make over changeing my APT source |
| 03:04.18 | Delph | chealer: just get the hdinst version and do it that way |
| 03:04.22 | digibox | and second I am on dialup I cannot afford the time to DL 110mb |
| 03:04.24 | chealer | digibox: you could do that too, no? |
| 03:04.26 | abrotman | chealer: maybe |
| 03:04.27 | Delph | no need to burn anything if you're bootable. |
| 03:04.45 | digibox | but why do I have to change to sarge right now anyway? |
| 03:05.23 | chealer | digibox: you don't have to, often woody won't work with some "new" hardware though |
| 03:05.41 | digibox | my video card isnt very "new" |
| 03:06.04 | digibox | I had it for like 5 years |
| 03:06.11 | chealer | that should be ok |
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| 03:07.56 | idealbsd | whats the diffrence between fakeroot debian/rules binary and dpkg-buildpackage when compile a deb file? |
| 03:08.11 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.37 | chealer | user_: synaptic |
| 03:08.46 | chealer | although none is perfect |
| 03:09.02 | chealer | or even as good as you would hope |
| 03:09.20 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.31 | chealer | ok, sorry about that... synaptic is good :) |
| 03:09.37 | EvilSporkMan | chealer: what's wrong with synaptic? *glomps synaptic* |
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| 03:09.48 | digibox | ok I am running apt-get update after I changed my sources.list |
| 03:09.56 | chealer | EvilSporkMan: just a bit buggy |
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| 03:10.39 | digibox | after that I run "apt-get upgrade"? |
| 03:10.53 | chealer | !tell digibox about woody->sarge |
| 03:11.20 | vrkhan1 | if i forget my pass word how i can retrive it on freenode |
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| 03:13.34 | JenClo | hi |
| 03:13.45 | JenClo | im jenclo |
| 03:14.03 | ArielMT | hello. i'm using xfree86 4.3.0 on mepis (based on sarge). running startx from the console as an ordinary user works, as does running startx from xterm as root, but running startx from xterm as user gives "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." the commands that work all work even when an X server is already running. any help on how i can start a new X server as an ordinary user from within xterm (or *term)? |
| 03:15.16 | JenClo | ArielMT, dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 03:16.17 | ArielMT | before i blindly do that, may i ask why i should? |
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| 03:17.41 | ArielMT | or why i need to? i genuinely don't understand |
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| 03:17.59 | chealer | !tell ArielMT about mepis |
| 03:18.23 | rking | ArielMT: Wait, why would you run startx from xterm? |
| 03:18.41 | volve | hey all, having a minor issue with bind9 - I keep seeing syslog errors "named[20236]: none:0: open: /etc/bind/rndc.key: permission denied" I've tried chmod/chown-ing the mentioned file every which way but can NOT get rndc up and running, causing a few issues... any ideas? :( (Sarge) |
| 03:18.44 | ArielMT | start up a separate server that i ssh to my other pc with |
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| 03:19.18 | rking | volve: what's the output of ls -l /etc/bind/rndc.key ? |
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| 03:19.53 | ArielMT | chealer: i knew mepis was different, but i had no idea that it was -that- far off from deb official :) |
| 03:19.55 | JenClo | ArielMT, dpkg-reconfigure XFree86 |
| 03:20.07 | volve | rking: -rw-r----- 1 bind bind 77 Mar 26 18:57 /etc/bind/rndc.key - that's the default, I've even tried 777 but to no avail |
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| 03:20.36 | rking | volve: i wonder if 777 failed because it's too insecure - ssh is another program that will refuse to work if keys are a+r |
| 03:20.50 | rking | volve: are you sure named is being run as user named? |
| 03:20.55 | simonrvn | um, 777 isn't 444 |
| 03:21.16 | volve | rking: possibly, I tried simple chown-ing to root:root as Google Groups yielded someone saying they fixed it doing that, but it didn't work for me :( |
| 03:21.18 | rking | simonrvn: why would we want either? |
| 03:21.33 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.05 | chealer | !tell user_ about purge |
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| 03:22.17 | chealer | user_: synaptic's complete removal is purge |
| 03:22.20 | rking | simonrvn: run it, hit Ctrl+Z before it gets to that point, then do a "pstree -u" to make sure that it says something like "named(bind)" |
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| 03:22.57 | volve | rking: hmm? |
| 03:23.09 | Steven_Y | d |
| 03:23.22 | volve | rking: "named(bind)" |
| 03:24.02 | rking | volve: do you have strace installed? if not, apt-get install strace, then either way do this: strace -eopen named 2>&1 | grep rdnc.key |
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| 03:24.45 | volve | rking: that returns nothing :( |
| 03:25.02 | Sememmon | rking: Out of curiousity, what does the 2>&1 portion of that command do? |
| 03:25.10 | rking | volve: then do strace -f named 2>&1 | grep rdnc.key |
| 03:25.53 | rking | Sememmon: normally, #1 is "stdout", and #2 is "stderr"... so basically what happens is strace prints normal program output on stdout, but then strace's output goes to stderr - but then that bypasses "grep" |
| 03:25.59 | cthulfuego | Sememmon: redirects fd2 (stderr) to fd 1 (stdout) |
| 03:26.13 | rking | Sememmon: 2>&1 basically says "mush all the stderr lines into stdout" |
| 03:26.21 | cthulfuego | Sememmon: See ls -al /proc/self/fd |
| 03:26.46 | rking | ingus - check out the convo thus far |
| 03:26.49 | rking | oops |
| 03:26.51 | Sememmon | Hmmm... good to know. |
| 03:26.59 | Sememmon | what about that & tho? |
| 03:27.04 | user_ | what package containst manpages for C functions? |
| 03:27.06 | volve | rking: 2 lines so far "[pid 29406] open("/etc/bind/rndc.key", O_RDONLY <unfinished ...>" & "[pid 29406] open("/etc/bind/rndc.key", O_RDONLY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)", it's still checking all other forks though |
| 03:28.00 | rking | volve: well, it definitely is just trying to open it readonly. this is weird - is this a plain jane .deb? if so, is it sid? |
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| 03:29.12 | JenClo | user_, info c++ |
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| 03:29.17 | rectum | if anyone cares to know, I went through a lot of man pages, docs and resources, and finally figured out that to have xterm fixed/misc font used in gnome-terminal or any other X app which doesn't list the X fonts, i had to enable bitmapped fonts in fontconfig, so i reconfigured it with dpkg and now i can. finally, no thanks to any of you :/ |
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| 03:30.03 | rking | rectum: nice |
| 03:30.07 | rectum | suppossed debian gurus, and no I'm not bitter, although I wasted half a day on it, which I could have used for something else |
| 03:30.11 | rectum | :/ |
| 03:30.21 | prov | hmm |
| 03:30.30 | prov | talking about xterms.. i have a question |
| 03:30.34 | volve | rking: plain-jane bind deb via apt, yup, and I'm on Sarge |
| 03:30.36 | rking | rectum: may i ask why you even wanted bitmapped fonts? was there one in particular you wanted? |
| 03:30.50 | user_ | JenClo that shows me info abotu g++ and gcc options, but not documentaiton on C libararies |
| 03:30.55 | rectum | yes |
| 03:30.55 | gurubie | What do you recomend for large Video files and filesystem/Kernel combonation. What work's and what doesn't with 2.6? |
| 03:30.58 | rking | volve: hrm |
| 03:31.05 | rking | volve: i've got to say, i'm perplexed |
| 03:31.30 | rectum | I HATE absolutely HATE fonts in any console that are not fixed-condensed-blah i can't remember the name of it |
| 03:31.33 | rectum | they just look horrible |
| 03:31.37 | rectum | and work so slowly |
| 03:31.45 | JenClo | Reiserfs ! |
| 03:31.53 | volve | rking: doh :( |
| 03:32.04 | prov | how can i hit the up key to look at the old commands that startswith what i started typing in the prompt |
| 03:32.26 | prov | i saw that feature in tcsh with freebsd |
| 03:32.30 | dannyp | any kerberos gurus around? I'm trying to figure out how to specify my KDC |
| 03:32.35 | gurubie | I've heard Reiserfs for small files but Video/movies? |
| 03:32.42 | dannyp | really, all I'm looking to do is change my password |
| 03:33.18 | Dashiva | gurubie, xfs or reiserfs |
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| 03:33.18 | Dashiva | jfs is slow as hell, don't let anyone tell you otherwise |
| 03:33.18 | gurubie | MythTV metions XFS but is that a can o' worms? |
| 03:33.26 | Dashiva | not really |
| 03:33.31 | gurubie | excuse me, that's "mentions" |
| 03:33.46 | Dashiva | if you're installing debian on the partition you need a ext3 /boot partition for the bootloader but other than that, it works fine |
| 03:33.50 | volve | rking: the only semi-official thing I found was this, but it wasn't any help: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/messages/3a18065e359069ad?hl=en&thread_id=a87d5b8ebc288ed4&mode=thread&noheader=1& |
| 03:34.00 | prov | like if you start writing "ssh -X " and then press the up key, it will find the old commands that started with "ssh -X " |
| 03:34.09 | rking | volve: i forget, when were you saying this problem appeared? has named never worked on this box so far? |
| 03:34.42 | dannyp | XFS is from IRIX |
| 03:35.00 | gurubie | Dashiva, Thanks for that reminded. I'll do ext3 for /boot (and put that as hda1 I guess) |
| 03:35.16 | Dashiva | and just use xfs for / |
| 03:35.23 | volve | rking: I don't think it has worked on this box, new install recently and only just started using it for DNS |
| 03:35.25 | Dashiva | also, you want to enable noatime in the options |
| 03:35.30 | prov | anyone? |
| 03:35.46 | rking | prov: try reverse-searching - in bash it's interactive, so you see the commands as you type them out |
| 03:35.59 | prov | what's that? |
| 03:36.04 | prov | do i set it somehow? |
| 03:36.12 | gurubie | So no filesystem snafoos with 2.6.10? |
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| 03:36.39 | JenClo | prov ctrl + r |
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| 03:37.39 | rking | ingy: nope |
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| 03:38.03 | prov | wow cool thanks! |
| 03:38.14 | Merc248 | hmm... does anyone happen to have lilo-22.6-dmraid.patch from the gen2dmraid website? |
| 03:38.18 | JenClo | prov ok |
| 03:38.30 | Merc248 | the only website that hosts that file is down |
| 03:38.35 | Dashiva | gurubie, no, not since the early days in 2.4.x |
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| 03:39.39 | jon787 | so anyone having issues with the latest slapd? like eating all the CPU, not responding to SIGTERM, and not responding on the network |
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| 03:40.17 | Merc248 | i need the file in order to get lilo working with my dmraid setup |
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| 03:40.30 | Solet | ok i have a wifi card that http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz says has linux drivers for. are the drivers on my packaged disk or do i need to find them, if so where? its a dlink dwl-520+ |
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| 03:42.17 | FieldySnuts | @hump Phated |
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| 03:42.42 | gurubie | Dashiva, Damn this fs stuff gets thick when one outgrows the basics. Thanks for your help. /boot = ext3, / = XFS and with noatime. Thanks. |
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| 03:43.30 | volve | rking: no bright ideas? anywhere to check for current Sarage bugs or anything? :-/ |
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| 03:44.01 | volve | rking: it's not like I futzed with this, as I said I just installed bind via apt and then made some zones... nothing fancy at all :-/ |
| 03:44.17 | gurubie | Dashiva, Is it then wise to utilize reiserfs for /home or is that asking for trouble? |
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| 03:45.15 | rking | volve: yeah, i'm guessing sarge bug, although i can't understand how we get that particular EACCESS - my two assumptions are that it /is/ the "bind" user, and that it's a Read-Only open |
| 03:45.39 | tdonahue | hi all, anyone here running sid on a Via EPIA MII-12000? |
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| 03:45.42 | rking | but yeah, try finding older versions of named .deb's -- if they work report a little bug i guess |
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| 03:46.18 | volve | rking: so where can I go to check outstanding Sarge bugs and stuff? |
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| 03:46.23 | fall-en | does any one know where i can get a list of sources for synaptic? |
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| 03:46.42 | imperfect- | Hey |
| 03:46.47 | imperfect- | anyone around for a question?? |
| 03:47.10 | arke | Hi, netbooting sarge on an ultrasparc 1, and it keeps stopping the base install with the kernel, complaining about modules.dep in VC 3. Any ideas on what I could do? |
| 03:47.29 | volve | imperfect-: it's best just to ask, there are quite a few people in here ;) |
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| 03:47.49 | Frederick | hi, wich language was used to code apt? |
| 03:47.58 | imperfect- | okay |
| 03:48.01 | imperfect- | I'm running testing |
| 03:48.05 | imperfect- | on an old laptop |
| 03:48.06 | imperfect- | we got |
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| 03:48.38 | spoofer | fall-en: apt-setup |
| 03:48.51 | imperfect- | anyway.. running 2.6.8 |
| 03:49.00 | imperfect- | and i need to install the module for sbpro |
| 03:49.04 | imperfect- | cuz it's not detected |
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| 03:49.09 | EvilSporkMan | my drive is giving me all pluses with some !s thrown in when using cdparanoia...is there anything I can do to troubleshoot this or did I just get crap drives? |
| 03:49.20 | volve | imperfect-: try and summarize in 1 line, it makes it a whole lot easier |
| 03:49.22 | imperfect- | and i need to be able to give it paramteres io=0x220 irq=5 dma=5 |
| 03:49.27 | fall-en | Spoofer: thanks but do i not need to add the list manually ? |
| 03:49.28 | imperfect- | volve: sorry |
| 03:49.34 | maher | EvilSporkMan: do you have dodgy cds? |
| 03:49.38 | imperfect- | vovle: what i need to know is, do i need to like modprobe for soundcore |
| 03:49.49 | EvilSporkMan | maher: it's done this for every CD thus far |
| 03:49.55 | imperfect- | and then insmod the sbpro module with the required parameters? |
| 03:50.05 | maher | EvilSporkMan: ok - maybe you have a didgy cd drive then |
| 03:50.22 | volve | imperfect-: sadly I have no experience with audio issues, but hopefully someone can - if not here, then try #linuxhelp too |
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| 03:50.41 | EvilSporkMan | maher: let me try one more just to make sure |
| 03:50.42 | spoofer | fall-en: I don't think so but It depends on what list you'r talking about.. Do you only want to add a debian repository or another one? |
| 03:50.42 | imperfect- | yeah |
| 03:50.48 | imperfect- | I dont have a damn debian system to test on ;) |
| 03:50.52 | imperfect- | at least one running 2.6 |
| 03:50.54 | maher | EvilSporkMan: do you get any errors in syslog? |
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| 03:51.21 | EvilSporkMan | maher: not usually - i had a crapload of ATAPI transport errors once but that CD seems to be fubar |
| 03:51.23 | fall-en | Spoofer:just a debian as i set it up initially to runn off the roms |
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| 03:51.41 | fall-en | debian site |
| 03:51.42 | maher | EvilSporkMan: ok - dunno |
| 03:51.47 | spoofer | fall-en: Apt-setup should be enough then.. |
| 03:51.49 | EvilSporkMan | maher: and this is happening with both my drives - they are master and slave on the same IDE channel, and the slave drive has the digital whatsit cable plugged into the motherboard |
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| 03:52.07 | Solet | maher: was it you earlier that was helping me with my wifi troubles? |
| 03:52.15 | fall-en | spoofer: thanks much |
| 03:52.22 | maher | EvilSporkMan: do you have a different ide slot you can try? |
| 03:52.23 | spoofer | you'r welcome fall-en |
| 03:52.34 | maher | Solet: possibly... |
| 03:53.14 | maher | Solet: in fact yes, now that my alzheimers moment has passed |
| 03:53.18 | Solet | ok i got a card thats on the list of supported cards... whats my next step? |
| 03:53.19 | EvilSporkMan | maher: yes |
| 03:53.22 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.44 | JenClo | mplayer ! |
| 03:53.47 | EvilSporkMan | maher: however, i literally just built this machine :-\ |
| 03:53.48 | maher | EvilSporkMan: try different things at random and see if anything changes - try a different ide acble too |
| 03:53.58 | JenClo | if you like gmplayer |
| 03:54.01 | EvilSporkMan | maher: k, yeah, cable is plugged in |
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| 03:54.11 | EvilSporkMan | maher: just swap hardware until it works, eh? |
| 03:54.20 | maher | EvilSporkMan: that's what i do... |
| 03:54.32 | user_ | JenClo and your argument? |
| 03:54.47 | tdonahue | i'm running Sid with a 2.6.10 kernel on a Via EPIA MII-12000, I'm getting a khubd timed out errors when I connect any devices to the USB port, anyone have an idea what could be causing this error? |
| 03:55.40 | Solet | tdonahue: i'm the polor opposite of a debian guru... but the first problem is that you're running sid... you're only slightly more stable than windowsXP home :P |
| 03:56.14 | EvilSporkMan | maher: by the way, why shouldn't I use 1 IDE channel per drive? |
| 03:56.21 | Solet | bbiab |
| 03:56.39 | maher | EvilSporkMan: no reason - maybe you have a defective slot in a mb - just try the other ones |
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| 03:58.08 | tdonahue | Solet, actually I'm running Sid on all my computers because I need packages which aren't in Sarge right now. Normally when I run into a problem I can figure it out on my own but this time I can't seem to find any info on the problem. |
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| 03:58.51 | maher | tdonahue: does this happen with other kernels |
| 03:59.37 | nevyn | does anyone know how to make audio work with the non-free flash plugin? |
| 03:59.49 | nevyn | I tried killing artsd but it didn't seem to help |
| 03:59.52 | tdonahue | maher, I'm rebooting now to check 2.4, but I do know it happens in 2.6.9 as well |
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| 04:00.38 | maher | tdonahue: don't via release their own linux drivers? |
| 04:00.50 | nevyn | user_: xfonts-konsole |
| 04:00.51 | Agoln | I just made this irc client that I am using!!! |
| 04:01.24 | nevyn | maher: vendor drivers bad. |
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| 04:01.44 | maher | nevyn: why? the give you the source iirc |
| 04:02.03 | tdonahue | maher, they released their video card drivers (open source), but I don't know about USB |
| 04:02.13 | maher | tdonahue: maybe that's what i was thinking of |
| 04:02.28 | useruser | nevyn: it just works for me |
| 04:02.47 | nevyn | maher: vendors doing driver development is all good. vendors releasing binary only driver is bad. |
| 04:02.53 | OmegaNine | OK im a newb to Debian. I installed off the FTP to keep things up todate, and when I went to install my nvidia drivers nvidia got pissed becasue there was no kernel headers. Where can I find that packege so I can install my video driver? |
| 04:02.58 | useruser | nevyn: sound is fine although some fonts don't want to display |
| 04:02.59 | nevyn | see adaptek, nvidia and ati |
| 04:03.03 | maher | useruser: you have a via epia? |
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| 04:03.11 | Guerin | !tell OmegaNine about nvidia one liner |
| 04:03.13 | useruser | maher: i doubt it. what's one of those? |
| 04:03.20 | ia3264 | before i installed the paper 'less' my manpages were using 'more' so i did an 'apt-get install less' and now manpages are using less. how did installing it make it the default pager. wouldnt it have had to set a PAGER environment variable and login me out of the shell and back in? cause it didnt but it works and im perplexed |
| 04:03.26 | ia3264 | s/paper/pager |
| 04:03.29 | maher | useruser: that's what tdonahue is having issues with |
| 04:03.51 | useruser | maher: tdonahue? I was referring to nevyn's flash problem |
| 04:04.19 | maher | useruser: oops |
| 04:04.44 | OmegaNine | ...OK so I feel like a jack a**, thanks Guerin |
| 04:04.47 | nevyn | hrm |
| 04:04.59 | _gentgeen_ | OmegaNine, go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages and search for kernel-headers-#.#.# |
| 04:05.09 | Guerin | ia3264: the alternatives system. I think less is the highest priority. man update-alternatives to change it. |
| 04:05.20 | _gentgeen_ | make sure to the the same #.#.# as you already have installed |
| 04:05.28 | Guerin | OmegaNine: you're far less of a jackass than most people who have trouble with nvidia |
| 04:05.53 | Guerin | normally its |
| 04:06.04 | ia3264 | Guerin, is that a debian only thing |
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| 04:06.21 | Guerin | OMG debain is so crap i cant even install teh nvidia ur distro is b0rk3n im goin back 2 gentoo |
| 04:06.24 | OmegaNine | He He im just new to debian, this is my first debian install. Im a ....fedora core...user. They pissed me off with FC3 and everything I read about FC4 is making my mad too. Thought I would try it out. |
| 04:06.27 | Guerin | ia3264: yes. |
| 04:06.39 | ia3264 | thanks |
| 04:07.16 | ia3264 | isnt fedora only free until redhat decides they wanna cash in or somethin |
| 04:07.25 | Guerin | not really |
| 04:07.28 | maher | ia3264: no |
| 04:07.30 | tdonahue | maher, 2.4.27 allows devices to connect as USB 1.1 devices |
| 04:07.30 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.53 | maher | tdonahue: all you loading both usb1 and usb2 drivers? |
| 04:07.58 | chealer | user_: it's just a metapackage. you must have x-window-system-core anyway |
| 04:08.00 | peterS | user_: yeah, nothing wrong with that |
| 04:08.19 | user_ | chealer core isnt' there ither |
| 04:08.24 | OmegaNine | ia3264, well if you ask me, they realized that when they went payware, no one would help them out anymore, so they made FC, they get to import anything in to the payware from the freeware, and they own anything anyone puts in to it. Yay for them. |
| 04:08.27 | Guerin | fedora is the old red hat tuned for desktops... same deal, basically, but the old redhat server space has been shifted exclusively to RHE* |
| 04:08.31 | tdonahue | maher, I though there wasn't any USB2 support in 2.4 kernels |
| 04:08.39 | chealer | user_: well it's also just a metapackage |
| 04:09.05 | OmegaNine | </rant> |
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| 04:09.26 | maher | OmegaNine: redhat always charged for support - how do they own the chnages in fedora if its free sw? |
| 04:09.28 | peterS | tdonahue: sure there is, in later ones - maybe 2.4.22 or so on up |
| 04:09.53 | Guerin | they don't, and can't - they do get use of it, but so does everyone |
| 04:09.59 | arthurnis | hello. |
| 04:10.04 | maher | tdonahue: but even on 2.6 you need to load both sets of modules ot have both usb1/2 two |
| 04:10.08 | arthurnis | test |
| 04:10.13 | Guerin | arthurnis: failed. |
| 04:10.14 | OmegaNine | maher, they never charged for updates, and they just stoped releasing desktop/freeware OS |
| 04:10.17 | ia3264 | so redhat just sponors fedora but if they decide to use it they're just using it not sellin it? |
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| 04:10.32 | ia3264 | *sponsors |
| 04:10.33 | peterS | ia3264: if *you* decide to sell it you are free to do so. so it red hat. |
| 04:10.36 | arthurnis | i'll succeed next time.... ;) |
| 04:10.41 | peterS | is |
| 04:10.41 | Guerin | you should be asking #fedora |
| 04:11.36 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.44 | tdonahue | these are both stock kernel images, which looking at the dmesg it looks like both are enabled (2.4.27 is detecting the ports as usb2 ports but both devices I have connectd as usb1) |
| 04:11.46 | Guerin | user_: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 04:11.58 | peterS | oh, he meant 'several'. I read it as 'server' |
| 04:12.03 | Guerin | user_: also check if your soundcard can do multichannel in hardware |
| 04:12.10 | maher | tdonahue: are they usb1 or usb2 devices |
| 04:12.14 | peterS | I think 'divers' is a better synonym. it makes you sound quaint |
| 04:12.22 | OmegaNine | OK i am going to go try that one liner...THanks for the info again. |
| 04:12.49 | tdonahue | maher, one is a USB2 Plextor DVD burner and the other is a USB2 Plextor ConvertX TV Capture device |
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| 04:13.09 | peterS | tdonahue: USB root hubs are weird animals. you can have a single port controlled by two USB chips - one for USB 1.1, one for USB 2.0. each chip controls the devices for its speed. and they use separate OS drivers. |
| 04:13.13 | Guerin | burning dvds over usb1.1 = pain |
| 04:13.16 | maher | tdonahue: some devices don't do the usb1 compat thing very well - try getting them recognized as usb2 |
| 04:13.24 | furrywolf | usb is good. :) |
| 04:15.02 | simonrvn | this coming from the dude with 23 different usb appliances/peripherals |
| 04:15.07 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 04:15.13 | furrywolf | yes, making me an expert. :P |
| 04:15.20 | simonrvn | :) |
| 04:15.50 | Guerin | a furry with 23 usb devices... the mind boggles. |
| 04:16.28 | simonrvn | grr, this thing is slow... |
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| 04:16.54 | simonrvn | well, this ppc is fricking fast comapred, and they're more or less same gen. ... |
| 04:18.00 | furrywolf | three usb graphics tablets, three usb hubs (four at the moment, one plugged in for testing), 4 usb printers, usb mouse, usb microscope, usb audio gizmo, two plugs for digital camera w/ usb interface (one plug on each table depending on where I have it), usb flash card reader, usb scanner, and I think that's it at the moment. :) |
| 04:18.08 | peterS | Guerin: the protocol lets you have up to 120 or so on a single port (: |
| 04:18.09 | ArielMT | JenClo: dpkg-reconfigure didn't work. however, http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2004/12/msg00068.html revealed an oddity in dpkg-reconfigure and x11. even though i ran it twice to allow anybody it was still set to console |
| 04:18.15 | peterS | Guerin: I've never heard of anyone with 23 before though |
| 04:18.20 | ArielMT | thanks for the help, tho, JenClo :) |
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| 04:18.33 | simonrvn | 14, if i didn't mis-count |
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| 04:18.55 | peterS | I've got like 4 USB devices. not very gadget-enabled. |
| 04:19.00 | furrywolf | I have a pile of crappy usb webcams and another hub if you want me to dig them out of the closet. :P |
| 04:19.01 | Danar | can someone help me with a little audio problem? every time i reboot the volume for my left speaker drops |
| 04:19.04 | simonrvn | i have none :) |
| 04:19.05 | Danar | i can't get it to stay |
| 04:19.14 | furrywolf | and about 6 mice. :) |
| 04:19.21 | simonrvn | furrywolf: no, it's ok :) |
| 04:19.36 | simonrvn | and gzip is slooooooooow too |
| 04:19.56 | Danar | i tried reconfiguring alsa-base, i tried alsactl store, but it still does it |
| 04:20.21 | simonrvn | cpu0: Cyrix 6x86MX (686-class), 208.28 MHz, id 0x601 # which could explain its pokiness |
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| 04:20.48 | maher | simonrvn: you're using something equivalent to a p150 |
| 04:20.51 | peterS | simonrvn: the 6x86MX is I think 586-class, mostly |
| 04:21.00 | peterS | like, speed-wise |
| 04:21.01 | tweak | hi how can I limit the amount of bandwidth going to an IP from my server? |
| 04:21.05 | simonrvn | no wonder it's slow :) |
| 04:21.08 | tweak | but only to that IP |
| 04:21.11 | peterS | tweak: mod_bandwidth or mod_choke |
| 04:21.26 | Guerin | peterS: yeah... I can't even think of 23 unique usb gadgets |
| 04:21.33 | peterS | tweak: nah, wait, those probably wouldn't do what you want. even if you were only talking about http, which of course you aren't |
| 04:21.37 | tweak | peterS do I need to be in apache or ? just anywhere? |
| 04:21.40 | Danar | anyone? |
| 04:21.42 | tdonahue | maher, 2.6 kernels aren't seeing any USB2 devices, but an old USB1 memory stick seems to work OK |
| 04:21.59 | peterS | Guerin: wouldn't have to be unique, someone might run a modem bank off a pile of USB serial convertors |
| 04:22.00 | tweak | peterS its a game server, and I just want bandwidth that is going 2 a certian ip 2 slow way down |
| 04:22.00 | maher | tdonahue: modprobe the usb2 driver and check its there with lsmod |
| 04:22.13 | Guerin | eew |
| 04:22.28 | peterS | yeah, my sentiments exactly |
| 04:22.41 | simonrvn | tweak: iptables. use -m limit, and trim it down to like 10 packets/s ;p |
| 04:22.57 | furrywolf | guerin: I don't own: a mp3 player. a usb cdrom. a usb hard drive. a decent usb webcam. ummm.... :) |
| 04:23.02 | tweak | simonrvn EW iptables scares me for a server thats 200 miles away |
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| 04:23.04 | tdonahue | maher, that should be ehci_hcd, right? |
| 04:23.04 | tweak | if I crash the internet |
| 04:23.13 | maher | tdonahue: i think so |
| 04:23.25 | simonrvn | you just change the ACCEPT target slightly. |
| 04:23.26 | peterS | tweak: NOOOO, DON'T CRASH TEH INTERNET |
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| 04:23.45 | furrywolf | they do make USB-controlled vibrating dildos, but I can't afford those either. :P |
| 04:23.50 | Danar | tweak: you could always use webmin. makes it pretty easy |
| 04:23.55 | maher | peterS: its ok - you can just reboot it |
| 04:23.55 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 04:23.55 | peterS | furrywolf: WTMI |
| 04:24.02 | tweak | danar ok where in webmin is it? |
| 04:24.14 | Danar | you install webmin, then install modules for it |
| 04:24.26 | simonrvn | gawds, not webmin |
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| 04:24.30 | Danar | there's an iptables module for webmin. it's all in the deb repository |
| 04:24.34 | maher | furrywolf: no they dont' |
| 04:24.39 | tweak | danar already got webmin installed what module? |
| 04:24.44 | furrywolf | maher: is that a bet? |
| 04:24.45 | Guerin | furrywolf: haha |
| 04:24.57 | omeganine | Can someone give me an FTP to the dibian kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386...It didnt install lynx so i have no browser..he he |
| 04:25.02 | Danar | webmin-firewall |
| 04:25.09 | JenClo | ArielMT, ok |
| 04:25.24 | tweak | danar it wont firewall me though right? |
| 04:25.31 | tweak | danar I need all ports open all the time and such |
| 04:25.32 | Danar | er, yes |
| 04:25.40 | tweak | I cant have a chance of it defautly killing me |
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| 04:25.46 | Danar | just configure it before you apply the settings... |
| 04:25.49 | tdonahue | maher, i ran modprobe ehci_hcd and lsmod is still showing it in the list |
| 04:26.02 | _gentgeen_ | I just got an email that included "blackbox_0.70.0-1_i386.deb to pool/main/b/blackbox/blackbox_0.70.0-1_i386.deb" -- does that mean the new blackbox will be ready for 'apt-get'ting real soon?? |
| 04:26.10 | Danar | tweak: set the default to accept rather than drop, and add the specific rules you want |
| 04:26.10 | furrywolf | "New variations of USB vibrators are being deisgned and added to our stored all the time." |
| 04:26.15 | Guerin | omeganine: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 04:26.17 | peterS | tdonahue: and did it like your USB2 root hub? 'dmesg' should have said something to that effect, I believe |
| 04:26.18 | maher | tdonahue: replug the usb2 devices and see if they seem to be usb2 |
| 04:26.32 | omeganine | Guerin Its not there. I tried :( |
| 04:26.36 | peterS | furrywolf: intended for cybering? |
| 04:26.57 | omeganine | all they have is 2.4.27-2-* |
| 04:26.58 | Danar | tweak: when you're done, click apply, and it'll take effect |
| 04:27.00 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 04:27.01 | furrywolf | peters: some of them have internet remote-control software where your "partner" gets to control the power settings. :) |
| 04:27.08 | Guerin | omeganine: update your kernel to -2- |
| 04:27.10 | peterS | furrywolf: yeah. still TMI. |
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| 04:27.21 | Danar | simonrvn: what's the problem with webmin? |
| 04:27.33 | simonrvn | don't get me started please |
| 04:27.34 | Guerin | it's root over http |
| 04:27.35 | omeganine | Guerin Is that done threw apt-get too or is it a recompile? |
| 04:27.43 | simonrvn | 'through' |
| 04:27.54 | Guerin | omeganine: apt |
| 04:27.56 | simonrvn | 'threw' is "she threw the can at his head" |
| 04:27.58 | omeganine | simonrvn :P |
| 04:28.09 | test | i want to install mono, someone can help me?? |
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| 04:28.24 | Danar | yeh, i wouldn't allow access to it from anywhere but localhost... |
| 04:28.29 | test | i have mono-1.1.6-installer.bin |
| 04:28.46 | omeganine | ...vzimage or kernel? Nothing came back for kernel |
| 04:28.58 | Guerin | Danar: even so, it makes you into a lazy and clueless admin |
| 04:29.17 | furrywolf | peters: not my fault I'm aware of the existance of more usb gizmos than you are. :) |
| 04:29.22 | Guerin | Danar: what will you do if you lose your web services one day and you have to shell in and edit config files? |
| 04:29.25 | peterS | furrywolf: not your fault, but still. |
| 04:29.29 | tdonahue | peterS, Yes, if i am reading the dmesg correctly then it is being detected as USB2, but whenever I insert a USB2 device I get 3 "khubd timed out on" errors for ep0in, ep0out and ep0out a second time |
| 04:29.29 | Danar | Guerin: he said iptables scared him. at least this way he can get what he wants |
| 04:29.40 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:29.46 | Danar | Guerin: rtfm? :p |
| 04:29.48 | Guerin | use something like shorewall or firehol |
| 04:30.02 | infinity1 | anyone know why tcpdump on my 2.6 system has a very high count of "packets dropped by kernel" |
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| 04:30.20 | jador | uh.. |
| 04:30.20 | Danar | i tried messing with firehol.. couldn't get it working |
| 04:30.23 | jador | i'm in need of some help |
| 04:30.31 | simonrvn | Danar: well, here's 3: teaches bad admin skills by having some automated thing do it for you, and the perms have to be very dangerous - root for everything, etc. 2) every conf file i've edited with it has been mangled in some way or another, and breaks things 3) root over http like Guerin said. |
| 04:30.32 | ArielMT | at least it's not ipchains anymore :) |
| 04:30.32 | infinity1 | Danar: i really like firehol. |
| 04:30.44 | ia3264 | whats a funner linux career than sysadmin |
| 04:30.47 | test | please i need to install mono, i need help |
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| 04:31.21 | Danar | test: sudo apt-get install mono |
| 04:31.25 | peterS | ia3264: in-house kernel hacker |
| 04:31.25 | simonrvn | checking for i386--netbsdelf-gcc... gcc |
| 04:31.39 | Danar | infinity1: any particular reason? |
| 04:31.40 | omeganine | What do you guys call kernel packs in apt-get? |
| 04:31.48 | simonrvn | bah |
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| 04:31.55 | peterS | omeganine: kernel-image-2.6.10-1-k7 etc. |
| 04:32.04 | simonrvn | kernel-image-* |
| 04:32.09 | _gentgeen_ | test, which release are you running?? |
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| 04:32.15 | Guerin | omeganine: kernel-image-ver.sio.n-release-arch |
| 04:32.25 | test | Danar: first i need mirror no? |
| 04:32.55 | simonrvn | _arch actually |
| 04:32.55 | Guerin | nope, this is just the package name |
| 04:32.55 | omeganine | peterS Thanks, Dling now |
| 04:32.55 | simonrvn | oh yeh |
| 04:32.55 | Guerin | the actual filename has _arch |
| 04:32.55 | infinity1 | Danar: it allows you to test rules and get your console back if you break something on a remote system. its fairly simple to use, but thorough on the rules. |
| 04:32.55 | omeganine | there is no search, yum has spoiled me |
| 04:32.56 | furrywolf | I could use a mp3 player, decent usb webcam, etc, if people want to help me increase my number of usb devices. :P |
| 04:33.04 | Solet | when in stalling pci cards, does debian care if you skip and leave blanks? or must you add them in order (ie. pci1 must be in use before pci2, pci1 and 2 must be in use befor pci3 etc)? |
| 04:33.08 | Guerin | !tell omeganine about search |
| 04:33.09 | simonrvn | omeganine: apt-cache search foo bar baz |
| 04:33.10 | Danar | test: just run this from the commandline: sudo apt-get install mono |
| 04:33.22 | furrywolf | solet: doesn't care, at all, as long as there isn't some flaw with the motherboard. |
| 04:33.26 | test | Danar: i dont have the mirror in my sourcelist |
| 04:33.34 | Solet | cool |
| 04:33.40 | Danar | test: why not? |
| 04:33.43 | infinity1 | Solet: if you don't use the highest pci slot # first, your system will over heat. mine blew up once. |
| 04:34.01 | furrywolf | some motherboards have oddnesses (for example, VIA usb controllers that will NOT share IRQs) though. :) |
| 04:34.03 | test | Danar: Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package mono |
| 04:34.10 | Danar | infinity1: well i had some problem with firehol. forget what it was |
| 04:34.20 | _gentgeen_ | test, mono is available only for unstable and experimential, are you running on of those |
| 04:34.23 | simonrvn | test: sudo apt-setup |
| 04:34.40 | infinity1 | Danar: i use it on a few systems. i enjoy it. oh, it bash-ish so it allows you to script things in the config. thats kinda nice also. |
| 04:34.50 | Solet | spreading them out will make them less likly to over heat because it allows for more air cicrulation |
| 04:34.52 | Danar | sounds cool |
| 04:34.53 | test | _gentgeen_: i use testing |
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| 04:35.00 | Danar | kept giving me some error on boot though |
| 04:35.22 | _gentgeen_ | mono is not in the testing repository (sp?) -- so you will not be able to apt-get it |
| 04:35.46 | Danar | well if not in testing, then it's in unstable |
| 04:35.59 | test | _gentgeen_: well, how i cat get it?? |
| 04:36.13 | test | can |
| 04:36.15 | furrywolf | solet: only thing to watch out for is cards with large metal parts. The back of one of my network cards is covered in electrical tape, since the fansink on the video card rests against it... |
| 04:36.43 | ia3264 | test_ kissing, drinkin off someone's cup.. |
| 04:36.59 | _gentgeen_ | You may want to look at apt pinning, but I don't really know, never played around with stuff outside my installed release |
| 04:37.18 | Danar | add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 04:38.10 | furrywolf | the fansink on my geforce2 gts hits my network card _solid_. the metal rf shield on my all-in-wonder means I have to put it at the very bottom, otherwise it too hits the back of whatever card is under it... |
| 04:38.12 | test | Danar: but i use testing not unstable |
| 04:38.31 | Danar | test: then remove it once you have mono installed |
| 04:38.39 | tdonahue | maher, peterS thanks for your help... I'm going to have to get back to this tomorrow, have to be up in about 5.5 hours |
| 04:38.54 | Danar | though.. you won't get updates to it |
| 04:38.58 | cthulfuego | furrywolf: if your GF2 is anything like mine it gets FERICIOUSLY hot |
| 04:39.08 | peterS | tdonahue: yeah, best of luck. I'm guessing hardware trouble |
| 04:39.17 | Danar | test: just get synaptic, and you can set the default version to testing, and only have mono at unstable |
| 04:39.27 | cthulfuego | Mind you, mine has a hd caddy fan mounted on it, after already going through 2 gpu fans. |
| 04:39.31 | furrywolf | cthul: which is why I solved it by taping the back of the network card rather than insulating the fansink. :P |
| 04:40.09 | tdonahue | peterS. I'm starting to think that it has something to do with the Via USB controllers, so I'm going to spend some time looking into it tomorrow. |
| 04:40.23 | furrywolf | tdonahue: vis usb controllers are a pain in the ass... |
| 04:40.24 | Danar | can someone help me with my sound problem? |
| 04:40.28 | furrywolf | what motherboard do you have? |
| 04:40.33 | furrywolf | s/vis/via |
| 04:40.52 | tdonahue | furrywolf, it is a EPIA MII-12000 |
| 04:40.52 | furrywolf | some motherboards with via controllers are so broken you're best off disabling them in the bios and getting a pci usb adapter. |
| 04:40.57 | furrywolf | don't know that one |
| 04:41.15 | furrywolf | note that the boards don't work on windows either. :) |
| 04:41.17 | Danar | every time i reboot, the volume for my left speaker drops |
| 04:41.51 | tdonahue | furrywolf, i think I may have a USB card laying around at work that I can borrow to test this out tomorrow night, so that was the plan |
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| 04:42.50 | tdonahue | night all |
| 04:42.54 | omeganine | OK on boot screen is just black after loading is done. I think its dumping mem in a GUI but there is none. Screen dose not do in power save, and mouse is powered (USB, and it says its found while booting). This a commen issue or is my box being a pain? |
| 04:42.59 | infinity1 | anyone know if its possibel to deply policies to XP boxes with samba? |
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| 04:43.33 | cthulfuego | long live pxeboot |
| 04:43.46 | omeganine | CTRL+ALT+backspace dose not dumb me out, and CTRL+ALT+DEL dose nothing as well. |
| 04:43.47 | cthulfuego | sadly the K6-2 goes poo on a P3 kernel though |
| 04:44.03 | omeganine | dump |
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| 04:45.21 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, did you just install the a kernel?? |
| 04:45.30 | arthurnis | '/quit |
| 04:45.30 | arthurnis | clear |
| 04:45.31 | _gentgeen_ | correction -- a new kernel?? |
| 04:45.53 | omeganine | yes but this was the same issue as before, i had hoped it was just the open 'nv' driver not working. But I fearit tobe more now |
| 04:45.57 | Solet | maher: ok my dwl-520+ is in the system... whats my next step(s) |
| 04:46.01 | Danar | can no one help me get my sound volume to save? |
| 04:46.52 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, do you get past all the boot messages, then goes black before X starts? or something else |
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| 04:47.14 | simonrvn | Danar: alasactl --help |
| 04:47.20 | omeganine | Yes, everything boots OK, and where I would expect it to give me X, it goes black. |
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| 04:47.24 | simonrvn | erm, alsactl rather |
| 04:47.26 | arthurnis | hello |
| 04:47.32 | Danar | simonrvn: i tried alsactl store, doesn't work |
| 04:47.43 | omeganine | I am going to do it again and try to ssh in from this box (If sshd was even installed for 'desktop') |
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| 04:47.45 | simonrvn | should be writin to somewhere in /var/lib |
| 04:47.48 | simonrvn | +g |
| 04:48.05 | furrywolf | I've also had problems with alsa not saving... but, since I reboot only rarely, haven't bothered tracking it down. |
| 04:48.19 | simonrvn | got fixed in sid eventually |
| 04:48.43 | simonrvn | what i did was let the init script do everything, and removed stuff from /etc/modules. that helped too |
| 04:48.44 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, sounds like it might be you config file |
| 04:49.10 | furrywolf | bigger problem is my sound card and usb sound gizmo can't decide which order they go in, so half the boots the usb one is card 0, half the boots the motherboard one is card 0. :P |
| 04:49.37 | simonrvn | set an alias for the modules, and the order |
| 04:49.40 | omeganine | Shouldnt it still drop me out with CTRL+ALT+backspace or del? Of so would you think its a monitor issue? |
| 04:50.04 | Danar | omeganine: have you tried CTRL+ALT+F1? |
| 04:50.06 | simonrvn | if the kbd is unresponsive, it won't do anything |
| 04:50.19 | Danar | hos keyboard's not working? |
| 04:50.24 | Danar | *his |
| 04:50.27 | furrywolf | simon: hotplug/discover seem to completely ignore everything... |
| 04:50.29 | simonrvn | i said 'if' |
| 04:50.32 | omeganine | Danar have no, did nothing. |
| 04:50.48 | Danar | er, sounds like your keyboard isn't working then :p |
| 04:51.06 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, do you boot right into X, or the console? |
| 04:51.07 | omeganine | heh |
| 04:51.14 | Solet | heh just swap another keyboard and see if that fixes it |
| 04:51.18 | Danar | make sure it's plugged in properly? |
| 04:51.22 | omeganine | X, its all defualt. This is the first debian install i have ever done. |
| 04:51.41 | omeganine | even taping the power button dose nothing :\ |
| 04:51.59 | simonrvn | furrywolf: they both have options to set the order IIRC (file's settings are read top to bottom) |
| 04:52.09 | _gentgeen_ | I would go with Solet, and try new keyboard -- or at least disconnect/reconect it AFTER powering down |
| 04:52.10 | Danar | oh. it's frozen then. keyboard might still work normally |
| 04:52.12 | omeganine | Danar yeah, it works fine in "Safe mode" |
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| 04:52.34 | simonrvn | single user you mean? |
| 04:53.07 | omeganine | Yeah, not sure what run lvl it is...The option in grub |
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| 04:54.35 | omeganine | everything looks right in XF86Config-4 |
| 04:54.36 | simonrvn | 'runlevel' |
| 04:54.57 | Solet | ok evidently maher disappeared... can anyone help me setup my wifi card on woody? |
| 04:54.59 | omeganine | LOL every chan has a spell check, and they always hate me :P |
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| 04:55.13 | arthurnis | /quit |
| 04:55.15 | simonrvn | no, that's a command :) |
| 04:55.46 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, 1st thing is to go in as single user, and 'update-rc.d -f remove xdm' so you stop booting into X till you get this fixed |
| 04:55.55 | _gentgeen_ | replace x with g or k if needed |
| 04:56.07 | furrywolf | arthrnis: if you want to remove someone from irc, just type /quit <their nick> |
| 04:56.47 | _gentgeen_ | Then once into a terminal, I would do a 'XFree86 -configure' as root. This will give you a REALLY simple config file that should at least get you to X |
| 04:57.10 | _gentgeen_ | That should help to rule out any problems with your current config file |
| 04:57.30 | omeganine | k |
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| 04:59.47 | omeganine | ugh, its gdm that is freezeing...Have to reboot in to single user and remove that |
| 05:00.24 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, During the install time, I never install a DM -- just for this reason ;-) |
| 05:00.37 | _gentgeen_ | I always wait till I know I got X working right |
| 05:01.22 | omeganine | Yeah, it was a new interface to me so I just went with defualt. One thing i got to say for FC is it runs right out of the box...Like crap, but it runs..He he |
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| 05:02.05 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, with Debian, once you are out of the box, you can throw it away -- never need a new box again |
| 05:02.20 | omeganine | lol |
| 05:02.32 | _gentgeen_ | i.e. -- apt-get for all upgrades, no need to by a new "shrinkwrap" or etc |
| 05:03.02 | furrywolf | or linespire where you need a subscription to download packages. |
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| 05:04.20 | cristinilla23 | i´m trying to install atmel driver for my wifi usb adaptor |
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| 05:04.39 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 05:04.39 | dpkg | Since Mon Apr 18 22:40:39 2005, there have been 63 modifications, 2804 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 934 commands. I have been awake for 6d 6h 24m this session, and currently reference 25382 factoids. I'm using about 16408 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1324.5/59.02 child 950.85/65.8 |
| 05:04.43 | cristinilla23 | has anyone do it and can explain it to me?, please? |
| 05:04.50 | omeganine | I hear a lot of nice things about debian, if I ever get it working right I might get myself a real copy. But I am definity in to try before you buy with linux |
| 05:05.18 | dondelelcaro | omeganine: uh, if you downloaded it, you've got a real copy. |
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| 05:05.31 | dondelelcaro | omeganine: Debian doesn't sell copies of the operating system at all. |
| 05:05.33 | cristinilla23 | I have problems with compilation, how to solve it? |
| 05:05.40 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, I am also an old red hat user, left after 7.2 -- went with Debian and never been happier |
| 05:05.53 | furrywolf | dondel: he probably means "a copy that requires purchasing where the purchase cost goes to some free software group" |
| 05:05.53 | rxc | hi all. my kde apps look different in gnome... the sans serif font 10 looks much bigger in gnome. i think there is a separate rc file for qt apps in gnome. anyone know? |
| 05:05.59 | omeganine | Really? Right on, thought they did. My bad |
| 05:06.04 | _gentgeen_ | cristinilla23, what is your prob. -- I did a atmel card a while back, I might remember |
| 05:06.37 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, you can pay for a copy from different places, some of which will make it back to debian, but debian does not sell |
| 05:06.56 | cristinilla23 | I have followed all the steps in berlios.de page but in the moment I make it crash |
| 05:07.03 | dondelelcaro | if you really feel the need to donate, donate, but you don't need to buy an actual cd |
| 05:07.05 | omeganine | LOL ran "XFree86 -configure"...black screen. I swear I can almost make out tux fliping me off ;P |
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| 05:07.17 | cristinilla23 | i have read about recompile kernel but... |
| 05:07.26 | dondelelcaro | omeganine: have you followed the instructions in /msg dpkg set up x; yet? |
| 05:07.30 | Xenn | heeey |
| 05:07.39 | cristinilla23 | it could be a problemo of kernel sources? |
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| 05:08.00 | _gentgeen_ | cristinilla23, check out http://gentgeen.homelinux.org/howtos/atmel.html and ignore the layout (my work in progress) |
| 05:08.16 | omeganine | dondelelcaro no, missed that MSG |
| 05:08.47 | cristinilla23 | ok |
| 05:10.16 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, it was suppose to go black :-) |
| 05:10.31 | omeganine | _gentgeen_ and stay black? |
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| 05:10.39 | _gentgeen_ | you should now have a config file in the directory (prob. ~ ) where you ran it from |
| 05:10.45 | _gentgeen_ | prob for a while -- |
| 05:10.50 | _gentgeen_ | stay black that is |
| 05:10.59 | KerPlunk | What can I view pictures with? |
| 05:11.11 | KerPlunk | fast and simple program |
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| 05:11.14 | omeganine | more than a minute you think? let it go for a while |
| 05:11.14 | _gentgeen_ | KerPlunk, your eyes ;-) |
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| 05:11.42 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, ya, could not hurt -- goes more then 5 and that is TOO long |
| 05:11.49 | _gentgeen_ | KerPlunk, I like gqview |
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| 05:13.31 | p6Tester | hmm |
| 05:13.32 | omeganine | w00t uptime of 104 days |
| 05:13.54 | omeganine | and 20 hours, almost 105 |
| 05:14.07 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, that can't be the machine with the bad display :-) |
| 05:14.25 | omeganine | _gentgeen_ LOL no, im talkin to you guys threw bitchx on my server |
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| 05:15.29 | test | how can i to configure sudo??? |
| 05:15.40 | omeganine | test whats sudo? |
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| 05:16.06 | omeganine | been 4 minutes. |
| 05:16.36 | zinx | omeganine: man sudo |
| 05:16.39 | test | omeganine: sudo apt-get ..... |
| 05:16.42 | rxc | how do i calibrate the resolution of my monitor? gimp used to have one.. i can't find it anymore |
| 05:16.42 | simonrvn | test: with visudo. google for sudoers tutorial |
| 05:16.45 | zinx | omeganine: or man man |
| 05:16.56 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/sudo/ |
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| 05:17.07 | omeganine | heh cool. |
| 05:17.09 | _gentgeen_ | as for the X -- prob. been too long :-/ |
| 05:17.12 | omeganine | i always used su |
| 05:17.23 | zinx | rxc: the best way is probably to get your display size from the EDID data, and set that in the X config |
| 05:17.42 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, me too, but try to use the su -e |
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| 05:18.03 | _gentgeen_ | correction su -c |
| 05:18.07 | omeganine | thats not a switch is it? |
| 05:18.09 | omeganine | Ah |
| 05:18.35 | Xenn | _* |
| 05:18.56 | omeganine | seemed to work fine... |
| 05:19.09 | omeganine | just only works for ID 0 |
| 05:19.17 | _gentgeen_ | in my red hat days (not that it was RH fault) I would accidently stay as root after doing a straight su, and forget to exit |
| 05:19.38 | rxc | zinx: can you elaborate a bit more about how? the problem i have is right now, my gnome resolution is set to 96 (package default), and kde is set to something else. so sans 10 looks very different |
| 05:19.53 | omeganine | _gentgeen_ ah, thats no good. |
| 05:19.59 | Xenn | ls |
| 05:20.00 | Xenn | sls |
| 05:20.01 | Xenn | clea |
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| 05:20.18 | zinx | rxc: start X with -logverbose 5 |
| 05:20.18 | omeganine | OK, i think im giving up for the night, i will boot back in win and watch TV or something. IM out of ideas |
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| 05:20.40 | zinx | rxc: it will put the DDC info from the monitor in the log file (/var/log/XFree86.0.log) |
| 05:20.41 | _gentgeen_ | omeganine, Wonder if you can narrow down the problem for now -- try different monitor, or card |
| 05:20.50 | _gentgeen_ | just to find where the trouble is |
| 05:20.53 | zinx | rxc: usually, that will have the display size in millimetres |
| 05:20.55 | omeganine | oo maybe it wrote an error log...one last try... |
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| 05:21.16 | _gentgeen_ | one last try, ha -- I've said that one before |
| 05:21.22 | omeganine | If im going to do all that it will be tomorrow. But yeah thats my next step. This IS a new video card, have not run linux on it yet. |
| 05:21.30 | zinx | rxc: X takes an option in the monitor section, like: DisplaySize 368 276 |
| 05:21.35 | MyTestZoR | zzzzzzzz |
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| 05:21.47 | zinx | rxc: where the first number is the horizontal size in millimetres, and the second is the vertical |
| 05:21.56 | _gentgeen_ | check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 05:22.12 | _gentgeen_ | down near bottom, might give some signs to why crapping out |
| 05:22.21 | renegad3 | hi guys, is it possible to image a 120gb disk and transfer it over to a 80gb? |
| 05:22.52 | zinx | renegad3: depends on how well it compresses :/ |
| 05:23.20 | renegad3 | zinx: well the root fs is only 11gb in size |
| 05:23.29 | rxc | zinx: thanks.. i'll try that |
| 05:23.36 | omeganine | ` |
| 05:23.40 | omeganine | oops. |
| 05:23.43 | zinx | renegad3: shoulda used tar |
| 05:23.47 | omeganine | No errors, logs ust end |
| 05:24.05 | renegad3 | zinx: so should I use partimage? |
| 05:24.14 | Guerin | renegad3: no, use tar |
| 05:24.14 | _gentgeen_ | UGH, well good luck to you, and I gotta go too -- 6:00am is not far away |
| 05:24.24 | _gentgeen_ | :-ZZZZZZ |
| 05:24.28 | renegad3 | Guerin: ok |
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| 05:24.54 | omeganine | I hear that |
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| 05:25.03 | omeganine | Good night, and thanks to everyone for the help |
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| 05:25.15 | boywonder | quick question, i'm tyring to install sarge on my laptop when it boots up to the "choose language" part it won't accept any input. I try to press enter et cetera and it just won't advance to the next screen. any help? |
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| 05:26.52 | Guerin | boywonder: external keyboard? |
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| 05:27.28 | jm_ | looks like he has issues with keyboards in general ;) |
| 05:28.20 | Solet | does anyone know where to get linux drivers for the dwl-520+? |
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| 05:29.20 | user_ | does anybody successfully use special events keys on a laptop compaq presario 2715us? |
| 05:30.01 | squirecd | Hey guys. I just installed debian unstable. Then, I unstalled KDE, GDM, & GNOME. I installed Flubox. I want to use 'startx' to ...start x :) but i can't remember which file it is that I need to edit to load a window manager? ~/.xinitrc ? ~/.xsessions? Please help |
| 05:30.13 | Solet | gdm is gnome |
| 05:30.13 | simonrvn | .xsession |
| 05:30.29 | Guerin | .xinitrc works too |
| 05:30.34 | simonrvn | gdm won't use .xsession, unless you use the "debian" or "default" session |
| 05:30.56 | Guerin | but you might want to install x-window-system[-core] too |
| 05:30.59 | jm_ | squirecd: man startx |
| 05:31.07 | squirecd | Okay... so in .xsession, i just put startfluxbox & |
| 05:31.13 | squirecd | and then run startx from console? |
| 05:31.19 | simonrvn | no. exec fluxbox |
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| 05:34.17 | ia3264 | how do you get debian to not auto start twm? i only want to go to the consol when i boot up |
| 05:34.52 | jm_ | ia3264: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 05:35.07 | jetdotnet | back up & empty out /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 05:38.14 | ia3264 | thanks |
| 05:38.18 | andy00 | I'm having trouble installing any ANY Linux Based OS (gentoo-unable to access any internet)(buffalo was buffaloed)(fox linux was nice no internet?)(debian has Internet but no GUI at all) I would like to stay with debian ,Also the only way that i get both gui+ internet is with mepis |
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| 05:39.01 | jm_ | andy00: you'll have to be a lot more specific about the problem |
| 05:39.03 | furrywolf | fox linux? never heard of that one. lots of fur? :P |
| 05:39.20 | rxc | zinx: now i am looking at my xfree86 log. can you tell me where i should look? i can't seem to find the display size. |
| 05:39.25 | Guerin | furrywolf: probably more than yellow dog |
| 05:39.58 | Guerin | andy00: apt-get install x-window-system-core kde |
| 05:40.08 | andy00 | after login x tries to start 3 times then athree pages of ERRERS |
| 05:40.10 | Guerin | (presuming you like kde based on mepis) |
| 05:40.21 | Guerin | !drxx andy00 |
| 05:40.22 | dpkg | andy00: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 05:40.42 | andy00 | how |
| 05:40.43 | Guerin | do you think you could be specific about the errors? |
| 05:40.44 | simonrvn | @ff Guerin |
| 05:40.46 | ravenbird | Guerin: fartfish |
| 05:40.55 | Guerin | simonrvn: why thank you, sir. |
| 05:41.00 | simonrvn | :) |
| 05:41.05 | jetdotnet | omg error? |
| 05:41.07 | Guerin | andy00: you can type, can't you? |
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| 05:41.19 | jetdotnet | sterilize! |
| 05:41.22 | rxc | zinx: is it this line? (II) MGA(0): Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 32 vert.: 24 |
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| 05:41.33 | Morvok | do HD's still get blanked when in contact with a magnet? |
| 05:41.39 | jetdotnet | maybe |
| 05:41.45 | jetdotnet | try it and tell us |
| 05:41.45 | Guerin | Morvok: it's gotta be one hell of a magnet |
| 05:42.03 | Morvok | those old type for reel to reel :) |
| 05:42.05 | andy00 | what commands do i use (hay I been playing around) |
| 05:42.07 | simonrvn | i'm going to have to "upgrade" this cpu/mobo if i'm going to use this thing as a database server... |
| 05:42.10 | Guerin | your average fridge magnet won't make a damn bit of difference in most cases |
| 05:42.14 | furrywolf | I used to have some magnets from a wwII-era radar tube... about 100lbs. :) |
| 05:42.20 | Guerin | !drxx andy00 |
| 05:42.21 | jetdotnet | ooo |
| 05:42.21 | dpkg | andy00: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 05:42.23 | simonrvn | whoah |
| 05:42.27 | ia3264 | kde is the most popular window manager? |
| 05:42.39 | Guerin | !htfswk ia3264 |
| 05:42.39 | dpkg | ia3264: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 05:42.43 | jetdotnet | you can't say that, but it's in the top 10 |
| 05:42.47 | jetdotnet | or 5 |
| 05:42.47 | Morvok | I have to a big electro magnet, I just wonder if it will do damage |
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| 05:43.03 | jetdotnet | kde/gnome are the big boys |
| 05:43.07 | jetdotnet | yeehaa |
| 05:43.09 | furrywolf | electromagnets are a lot more likely to do damage than plain magnets, especially if they're AC... |
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| 05:43.21 | simonrvn | get a huge degausser ;) |
| 05:43.23 | ia3264 | theres no statistics on open source software ? |
| 05:43.31 | jetdotnet | make some |
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| 05:43.35 | Guerin | sure there are |
| 05:43.35 | windowwasher | andy00, try the 'man' command and the 'apropos' command |
| 05:43.39 | Guerin | http://popcon.debian.org/main/x11/by_inst |
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| 05:43.46 | jetdotnet | you have a database server available |
| 05:43.50 | Guerin | unclear, but anecdotally it appears that gnome has the edge |
| 05:44.07 | ia3264 | neat |
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| 05:44.27 | furrywolf | they both suck. a window manager shouldn't use more resources than the entire rest of the system. :) |
| 05:44.38 | jetdotnet | !kill wm's |
| 05:44.40 | ia3264 | ive been just using fluxbox |
| 05:44.45 | gmz | pico en tu raja |
| 05:44.49 | Morvok | this is going to drive me nuts. |
| 05:44.51 | jetdotnet | !es |
| 05:44.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:44.57 | andy00 | thankyouilltry |
| 05:44.57 | jetdotnet | cayete guey |
| 05:44.58 | furrywolf | gmz: english only, sorry. |
| 05:45.04 | gmz | ok |
| 05:45.11 | jetdotnet | jejeje |
| 05:45.20 | gmz | I don not speak inglish |
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| 05:45.28 | gmz | lol |
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| 05:45.30 | gmz | pico en tu raja |
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| 05:45.37 | jetdotnet | gmz /join #debian-es |
| 05:45.38 | ia3264 | i want one that uses the least resources but then i heard kde has a lot of specific/good apps for it |
| 05:45.41 | simonrvn | so #debian-es will be good for you then |
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| 05:45.45 | Guerin | badger en tu mushroom |
| 05:45.46 | vitriol | is there a way to control where packages are installed from? |
| 05:45.46 | dealt | greetings! |
| 05:45.57 | Guerin | vitriol: man apt_preferences |
| 05:46.03 | vitriol | Guerin: thanks |
| 05:46.03 | dealt | how can i fix filesystem? |
| 05:46.04 | furrywolf | guerin: lol |
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| 05:46.16 | jetdotnet | just reinstall dealt |
| 05:46.18 | Guerin | !lol |
| 05:46.18 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, god kills a little cat. |
| 05:46.19 | jetdotnet | :o |
| 05:46.30 | dealt | im having a "fsck.ext3 for device /dev/sda2 exited with signal 11 |
| 05:46.32 | ia3264 | some people hate cats :( |
| 05:46.34 | Guerin | !literal lol |
| 05:46.36 | dpkg | lol is <reply> lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, god kills a little cat. |
| 05:46.37 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:46.49 | furrywolf | dealt: that's not a good sign. |
| 05:46.50 | jetdotnet | !factinfo lol |
| 05:46.50 | dpkg | lol -- last modified 1d 6h 29m 33s ago by citral!~christoph@gtn9-d9bb98ed.pool.mediaWays.net; it has been requested once, last by Guerin, 32s ago. |
| 05:47.00 | Guerin | fucking citral |
| 05:47.01 | ia3264 | whats a good lol alternative? |
| 05:47.05 | dealt | furrywolf: whoah |
| 05:47.26 | ia3264 | if people had good alternative they may quit |
| 05:47.39 | simonrvn | "hehe" is popular |
| 05:47.45 | jetdotnet | they should use fufu |
| 05:47.50 | ia3264 | who says hehe in real life :P |
| 05:47.51 | jetdotnet | or just fu |
| 05:48.09 | jetdotnet | or fu2u2 |
| 05:48.24 | ia3264 | hehe sounds like if something isnt super funny, its like a giggle |
| 05:48.35 | dealt | and when i try to run e2fsck, it says Segmentation Fault |
| 05:48.39 | jetdotnet | !roflmao |
| 05:48.39 | dpkg | i guess roflmao is rolling on the floor laughing my arse off, or painful |
| 05:48.41 | ia3264 | i guess haha |
| 05:48.56 | jetdotnet | it's ass |
| 05:49.00 | jetdotnet | not arse |
| 05:49.03 | jetdotnet | sheesh' |
| 05:49.04 | Guerin | dpkg, lol =~ s/little cat/(kitten|penguin|(knoppix|ubuntu|linspire) user|porn star|honey badger|LOLer) |
| 05:49.05 | ia3264 | whats an arse |
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| 05:49.09 | Guerin | dpkg, lol =~ s/little cat/(kitten|penguin|(knoppix|ubuntu|linspire) user|porn star|honey badger|LOLer)/ |
| 05:49.09 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 05:49.12 | ia3264 | a farse of an ass? |
| 05:49.21 | jetdotnet | english for ass |
| 05:49.27 | jetdotnet | old style |
| 05:49.33 | Guerin | arse is the correct way to spell and pronounce what you silly americans call ass |
| 05:49.41 | Guerin | everyone knows that an ass is a fucking donkey |
| 05:49.49 | ia3264 | i dont speak english just american |
| 05:50.14 | jetdotnet | damn upstart imperialist |
| 05:50.14 | ia3264 | but i would like to say 'bath' as bawth |
| 05:50.19 | Guerin | but hell, if you want to roll on the floor laughing your donkey off, you've got plenty of company |
| 05:50.27 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:50.54 | jetdotnet | the english empire died |
| 05:50.59 | jetdotnet | :p |
| 05:51.03 | ia3264 | it's not donkey its darnkey |
| 05:51.05 | Guerin | jetdotnet: what english empire? |
| 05:51.14 | jetdotnet | that 'thing' |
| 05:51.22 | Guerin | no, that's the think Jed can't put in his darn lawk |
| 05:51.43 | pinks | not as big as the new american empire :-p |
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| 05:51.49 | Guerin | there is not now, nor has there ever been, and english empire |
| 05:52.02 | Guerin | or an american one, ftm |
| 05:52.07 | furrywolf | pinks: you mean the one that a few years from now will include everywhere except mars? :P |
| 05:52.12 | Guerin | hah |
| 05:52.17 | pinks | yea :-) |
| 05:52.25 | Guerin | watch the price of oil rise and see if you still think that |
| 05:52.35 | pinks | currently only includes oil-producing countries :-p |
| 05:52.43 | Guerin | you won't be able to get to the damn corner shop, much less invade anyone |
| 05:52.48 | ia3264 | american controls the worlds largest energy source thanks to bush. make way for the gas powered computers. lets hope the pilot light doesnt blow out on my laptop |
| 05:53.13 | pinks | pity they didn't sign Kyoto |
| 05:53.18 | jetdotnet | america has a bad habit of taking shit over and then giving it back |
| 05:53.27 | ia3264 | cept america ;) |
| 05:53.31 | furrywolf | don't forget that thanks to the new pope, they control the world's largest religion source, too. |
| 05:53.38 | jetdotnet | and trying to hard to please everybody |
| 05:53.42 | Guerin | what? |
| 05:53.43 | pinks | LOL - after they've taken the oil |
| 05:53.50 | ia3264 | that'd be some reverse indian giving |
| 05:53.57 | jetdotnet | too |
| 05:54.31 | pinks | they've certainly pissed a lot of people off |
| 05:54.38 | jetdotnet | internally |
| 05:54.42 | ia3264 | helped a lot of countries too though |
| 05:54.51 | pinks | helped????? |
| 05:54.57 | ia3264 | sure |
| 05:54.57 | pinks | roflmao |
| 05:54.59 | Guerin | i've not seen this pope being any more pro-american than the last one was |
| 05:55.05 | furrywolf | don't forget that the CIA appointed saddam... |
| 05:55.08 | jetdotnet | so have everybody pay back the 'loans' |
| 05:55.11 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:55.15 | ia3264 | i dont wanna start a political war though :P |
| 05:55.22 | Guerin | this appears to be getting into dangerous territory |
| 05:55.28 | ia3264 | yeah |
| 05:55.31 | ia3264 | how bout that debian |
| 05:55.31 | jetdotnet | !kill politics |
| 05:55.44 | furrywolf | Guerin: he was strongly pro-bush and made many pro-bush statements before the election, including, essentially, telling all RCs to vote bush... |
| 05:55.52 | ia3264 | isnt aol so big it needs a dvd? |
| 05:55.53 | jetdotnet | buncha windows using politicians |
| 05:55.59 | pinks | why do AOL get to do that - I wanted to |
| 05:56.30 | Guerin | furrywolf: hrm, interesting... I didn't know that |
| 05:56.32 | ia3264 | some people are left or right wing, im chicken wing |
| 05:56.33 | pinks | politics and religion suck :-p |
| 05:56.37 | ia3264 | dont like to talk about anything :P |
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| 05:56.46 | Guerin | let's talk about beer |
| 05:56.48 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 05:56.54 | ia3264 | mmm |
| 05:56.57 | furrywolf | beer sucks. alcohol sucks. :P |
| 05:56.58 | Xenn | /quit |
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| 05:57.06 | pinks | !guinness Geurin |
| 05:57.12 | ia3264 | furrywolf is head of madd |
| 05:57.20 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 05:57.24 | furrywolf | Xenn: to disconnect someone else from irc, type in /quit <their nick> to make them leave. |
| 05:57.33 | ia3264 | motherf'ers against drunk debianites |
| 05:57.42 | jetdotnet | actually my wife and i got drunk the other night.. we stil have some left out of the 6 pack |
| 05:57.52 | jetdotnet | :o |
| 05:58.07 | furrywolf | both you get drunk off a single 6-pack? of beer? :P |
| 05:58.24 | jetdotnet | yeh if you don't drink it does that |
| 05:58.34 | furrywolf | heh |
| 05:58.42 | ia3264 | xkill |
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| 05:58.50 | jetdotnet | i used to could drink a case np |
| 05:58.53 | rxc | zinx: i entered the resolutions. x started fine. however, i found something weird. when i run xdpyinfo, it says: dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (260x195 millimeters) resolution: 100x100 dots per inch, i entered 320x240 mm! and it still assumes 100dpi. any ideas? |
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| 05:58.59 | jetdotnet | well ok w/p |
| 05:59.06 | ia3264 | theres a beer called 'no problem'? sounds cool |
| 05:59.07 | furrywolf | one of my relatives sometimes drinks a bit more than is healthy... I've seen him down 3 six-packs without getting drunk. one of those people alcohol doesn't do much to. |
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| 05:59.20 | ia3264 | or no worries, australian for np |
| 05:59.38 | Guerin | jetdotnet: you buy bourbon by the 6? |
| 05:59.39 | Guerin | well, I calculate that I drank roughly 1/4 my body weight in beer over the weekend just past |
| 05:59.39 | Guerin | !test |
| 05:59.39 | dpkg | No, guerin, you're not online any more. |
| 05:59.53 | furrywolf | lol |
| 05:59.58 | ia3264 | if you can handle liquor like that doesnt it mean you're an alcoholic |
| 06:00.00 | Guerin | !lol |
| 06:00.00 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, god kills a kitten. |
| 06:00.10 | furrywolf | lol |
| 06:00.21 | ia3264 | the big bad wolf just killed another cat |
| 06:00.22 | Guerin | dpkg, lol = |
| 06:00.33 | Guerin | dpkg, lol =~ s/god/greycat/ |
| 06:00.33 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 06:00.33 | ia3264 | LoL is okay |
| 06:00.38 | Guerin | no |
| 06:00.44 | furrywolf | LoL is ugly. lol is ok. |
| 06:00.46 | ia3264 | perl list of lists |
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| 06:05.18 | Overfiend | First DPL report available at: http://people.debian.org/~branden/dpl/reports/2005-04-24.html |
| 06:05.24 | furrywolf | bbl, tired wolfy needs sleep. |
| 06:05.31 | simonrvn | see ya |
| 06:05.35 | furrywolf | cyas |
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| 06:05.45 | simonrvn | Overfiend: hullo |
| 06:06.22 | Overfiend | simonrvn: howdy |
| 06:07.22 | Overfiend | bah |
| 06:07.25 | Overfiend | and now, of course, I notice a typo |
| 06:07.44 | dealt | hi |
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| 06:07.53 | Overfiend | GBP 2,000 not 2,0000 |
| 06:07.54 | stouset | Overfiend: typo in the writeup |
| 06:07.56 | stouset | Yeah. |
| 06:07.57 | stouset | Haha |
| 06:08.00 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:08.02 | Guerin | man sed :) |
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| 06:08.05 | stouset | Just noticed that :-) |
| 06:08.15 | simonrvn | hehe, typical :) |
| 06:08.19 | stouset | And just too late to get credit too *wink* |
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| 06:09.04 | dealt | what docs will i use to: reinstall debian, reformat /, do not touch other partitiions, then just mount them after installation? |
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| 06:09.20 | stouset | dealt: Just use the normal install process |
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| 06:09.30 | stouset | dealt: Tell the installer not to format the desired partitions, and to mount them |
| 06:09.40 | stouset | dealt: Why do you need to reinstall, though? |
| 06:09.48 | simonrvn | this building from source crap wouldn't be so painful if this box was faster</last time i bitch about it> |
| 06:10.01 | stouset | simonrvn: Run Gentoo, duh! It's way faster. |
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| 06:10.13 | dealt | stouset: hi, thanks. with those steps, the applications and the data will be retained right? |
| 06:10.49 | chealer | what does having an empty /proc/fb mean exactly? |
| 06:11.01 | simonrvn | /usr/pkg/lib/libcrack.so.2.0.7: installed without execute permission; fixing (should use [BSD_]INSTALL_LIB) |
| 06:11.08 | stouset | dealt: Well, not the applications. I would recommend *against* preserving /var, /usr. |
| 06:12.14 | dealt | stouset: oh. well my problem really is a filesyetem error |
| 06:12.33 | stouset | dealt: Then nuke everything but /home |
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| 06:12.51 | stouset | dealt: and /srv, as applicable. |
| 06:12.56 | dealt | stouset: im havin a "fsck.ext3 for device /dev/sda2 exited with signal 11" error |
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| 06:13.51 | dealt | stouset: is there any other way to manually repair the filesystem? aside from fsck and e2fsck? |
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| 06:15.12 | Solet | does anyone remember the package name of the gdm "time tracking tool" |
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| 06:15.31 | simonrvn | date? ;p |
| 06:15.48 | ia3264 | heh i was just gonna say that |
| 06:16.00 | Solet | the command to start it is gtt |
| 06:16.06 | Solet | but i cant find a package called gtt... |
| 06:16.14 | simonrvn | dpkg -S to find the package |
| 06:16.15 | dpkg | Badgers ate my to find the package! |
| 06:16.16 | Solet | i found gtimer |
| 06:16.28 | simonrvn | ...from the file |
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| 06:16.38 | Solet | huh? |
| 06:16.47 | stouset | dealt: What kind of filesystem problems are you experiencing? |
| 06:17.03 | |stefan_| | aYCa\ is spamming. |
| 06:17.30 | |stefan_| | any operator awake ?? |
| 06:17.30 | simonrvn | e.g.: dpkg -S /bin/login would give you something like "login: /bin/login" IIRC |
| 06:17.41 | simonrvn | /say /topic |
| 06:17.44 | simonrvn | /topic |
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| 06:18.15 | dealt | stouset: startup will stop then a message "fsck.ext3 for device /dev/sda2 exited with signal 11" |
| 06:18.34 | simonrvn | it segfaulted |
| 06:18.45 | dealt | stouset: "fsck failed. Please repair manuallt and reboot" |
| 06:18.45 | Solet | how do i do the less thing so i can scroll back up |
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| 06:19.12 | maher | dealt: have you tried running fsck manually |
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| 06:19.32 | |stefan_| | simonrvn how does that work ? i've set +E now =) .. now what ? |
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| 06:19.52 | dealt | maher: yep, tried "fsck /dev/sda2" it returns "Segmentation Fault" |
| 06:19.59 | simonrvn | you tell the ops about it |
| 06:20.00 | parnevick | http://rafb.net/paste/results/W6aiqr83.html |
| 06:20.06 | parnevick | what happen here? |
| 06:20.09 | |stefan_| | simonrvn who are the ops ? =) |
| 06:20.21 | maher | dealt: do you have a rescue disc / boot disc / live cd lying around |
| 06:20.49 | QUACH-VU | hi my server debian get attacked and flooded on these days and provider of my server ask me to install a firewall program... do you have and suggestion for this? |
| 06:20.50 | simonrvn | !ops aYCa\ spam bot |
| 06:20.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aYCa\ spam bot |
| 06:21.13 | dealt | maher: i have a debian boot cd and a knoppix live cd |
| 06:21.30 | maher | dealt: boot to knoppix - run fsck on the disc |
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| 06:22.14 | dealt | maher: fsck /dev/sda2? |
| 06:22.28 | maher | dealt: yes |
| 06:22.30 | dealt | maher: do i need to mount anything? |
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| 06:22.37 | QUACH-VU | hi my server debian get attacked and flooded on these days and provider of my server ask me to install a firewall program... do you have and suggestion for this? |
| 06:22.42 | maher | dealt: no - don't runfsck on mounted drives |
| 06:22.53 | Guerin | QUACH-VU: why? |
| 06:23.05 | dealt | maher - ah, ok. i'll try it now. thank you very much |
| 06:23.09 | maher | QUACH-VU: what sort of attack? |
| 06:23.10 | Guerin | QUACH-VU: i mean, what do you want the firewall to do? |
| 06:23.46 | jetdotnet | shorewall |
| 06:23.47 | ia3264 | theres clamav for debian |
| 06:23.56 | QUACH-VU | provider of my server deactive my server and only because of attacking from 3rd person, they ask me to install a firewall software to deal with that |
| 06:24.10 | QUACH-VU | do you know any firewall software for debian ? |
| 06:24.28 | simonrvn | clamav is AV s/w, not "firewall" |
| 06:24.31 | maher | QUACH-VU: well - it depends on what the attack is... if its a dos then your firewall is going to be of limited use |
| 06:24.34 | ia3264 | hah |
| 06:24.39 | ia3264 | what was i thinking |
| 06:24.45 | Guerin | um, your server provider is fucking clueless |
| 06:25.01 | maher | QUACH-VU: shorewall is in debian |
| 06:25.25 | maher | QUACH-VU: where by limited i mean none |
| 06:25.42 | Guerin | use firehol or some other iptables frontend.... but you're going to need to learn exaqctly what kind of attack it was, where it came from and whether or how to firewall it off |
| 06:25.52 | Guerin | maher: heh |
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| 06:26.09 | Guerin | repeat after me, kiddies: a firewall to protect one box is next to useless. |
| 06:26.10 | QUACH-VU | oh |
| 06:26.10 | simonrvn | only thing you can do against DoS is do some fancy high level routing shit. you can't do it at your door |
| 06:26.30 | Guerin | or you can mask all ports and hope it's random... |
| 06:26.35 | ia3264 | yeah firewalls dont help against dos last i checked |
| 06:26.45 | maher | QUACH-VU: in fact if its a dos only your isp can really do anything about it - get a better isp... ;) |
| 06:26.58 | simonrvn | should be configuring iptables with -P DROP anyway... |
| 06:27.10 | ia3264 | thats a weird isp if they're like ' you deal with it' |
| 06:27.16 | Guerin | why drop? |
| 06:27.29 | Guerin | that sounds like shieldsUP snake-oil to me |
| 06:27.30 | directhex | !ops aYCa\ == pornospambotomatic |
| 06:27.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aYCa\ == pornospambotomatic |
| 06:27.33 | simonrvn | then you only have to punch holes |
| 06:27.56 | QUACH-VU | simon can you tell me more in details about configuring iptables ? |
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| 06:28.19 | simonrvn | reading the HOWTOs at www.netfilter.org should |
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| 06:28.44 | Rucas | ayca\ is onjoin spamming :( |
| 06:28.59 | Guerin | WE KNOW |
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| 06:29.19 | Guerin | read the topic and be sure an op will see the three messages which have been sent about it in the last five minutes |
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| 06:29.29 | ia3264 | for years people would just explain the same things over and over again then one day a man, i think his name was bob, decided to write it down as a howto |
| 06:29.30 | stouset | Anyone aware of a |
| 06:29.31 | user_ | just droped by, to say thank you to anyone who helped me today/yesterday |
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| 06:29.38 | streuner | It's always the same, at this time there is usually no OP avaiable |
| 06:29.43 | ia3264 | worm write once/read many |
| 06:29.52 | stouset | Anyone aware of a package to install that does something simple, mindless, and amusing? I need something to busy myself with for 30 minutes to an hour. |
| 06:29.52 | ia3264 | this man invented the first worm |
| 06:30.08 | user_ | any ircops in here? |
| 06:30.12 | Guerin | stouset: irc |
| 06:30.16 | timo | stouset, electricsheep |
| 06:30.17 | stouset | stouset: Har har. |
| 06:30.21 | Gumby | can anyone tell me of any software that will detect bad blocks on a hard drive? |
| 06:30.30 | simonrvn | ask in #freenode. they like "staffers" |
| 06:30.32 | Guerin | stouset: talking to yourself might work, though probably not for that long. |
| 06:30.35 | user_ | :P |
| 06:30.44 | Guerin | Gumby: badblocks, weirdly. |
| 06:30.49 | Gumby | Guerin: lol, thx |
| 06:30.50 | dealt | maher: hi, do i need to use any paramater with fsck? it just returned /dev/sda2:clean |
| 06:30.54 | Guerin | !lol |
| 06:30.54 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. |
| 06:30.55 | mogorman | can anyone explain to me how to configure pgpgpg for debuild to work? |
| 06:30.56 | ia3264 | is there a badchars for bad character devices? |
| 06:31.04 | stouset | Guerin: I can only talk to myself for about fifteen minutes before disagreeing vehemently and getting into a violent argument. |
| 06:31.15 | Guerin | stouset: woah, it takes me about 3 |
| 06:31.20 | user_ | either way..... there is a spam bot |
| 06:31.28 | simonrvn | we know.... |
| 06:31.32 | ia3264 | a little spam is healthy now and again |
| 06:31.41 | user_ | simonrvn advertising porn site... |
| 06:31.41 | Guerin | stouset: it depends who starts the discussion, though |
| 06:31.45 | chealer | stouset: you should check barrage |
| 06:31.47 | Guerin | FUCK'S SAKES |
| 06:32.00 | Guerin | !topicbadger everyone complaining about spambots |
| 06:32.01 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that everyone complaining about spambots didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 06:32.09 | ia3264 | just be glad its only an onjoin spam |
| 06:32.33 | user_ | so why not kline the bot? |
| 06:32.35 | user_ | :P |
| 06:32.42 | user_ | erm mm gline* |
| 06:32.44 | user_ | shun |
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| 06:32.53 | stouset | Because some of us NEED herbal supplements, user_. |
| 06:32.56 | stouset | Did you ever think about that? |
| 06:33.00 | ia3264 | i need viagra |
| 06:33.01 | Guerin | you dumb twat |
| 06:33.08 | ia3264 | my wife isnt attractive enough to get it up |
| 06:33.17 | simonrvn | .... |
| 06:33.18 | ia3264 | shit she almost saw that |
| 06:33.21 | Guerin | once the ops come back from their busy lives, they WILL ban or kline the bot |
| 06:33.31 | user_ | :/ |
| 06:33.35 | user_ | oh well |
| 06:33.45 | user_ | call me dumb instead |
| 06:33.46 | ia3264 | busy playin world of warcraft |
| 06:33.49 | Guerin | i did |
| 06:34.26 | ia3264 | Guerin should be an op |
| 06:34.38 | user_ | Guerin :'( |
| 06:34.46 | ia3264 | lets all vote |
| 06:34.49 | ia3264 | thats how it works right |
| 06:35.05 | Guerin | nope |
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| 06:36.33 | streuner | IRC is not democratic in that way :-) |
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| 06:37.07 | Solet | how do i kill stopped processes? |
| 06:37.18 | Guerin | Solet: man kill |
| 06:37.19 | Solet | and how do i break from the man page with out ctrl+z? |
| 06:37.22 | ia3264 | you really want them dead dont you |
| 06:37.38 | ia3264 | depends on the pager, try 'q' |
| 06:38.01 | ia3264 | dont stop it anyway |
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| 06:38.17 | ia3264 | unless you mean to |
| 06:38.27 | ia3264 | bring it back with 'fg' then hit 'q' |
| 06:38.28 | Rucas | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.34 | Rucas | whoops |
| 06:38.34 | stouset | Well, other than killing my X session, barrage was interesting. |
| 06:40.14 | Solet | how do i bring them back to close them properly? |
| 06:40.27 | ia3264 | tough question |
| 06:40.40 | ia3264 | oh wait i just answered it :D |
| 06:40.41 | Solet | oh |
| 06:40.54 | Solet | sry this monitor is glared atm |
| 06:41.00 | Solet | i saw fq not fg |
| 06:41.04 | ia3264 | lo... i mean hehe |
| 06:41.10 | Solet | and was wondering why it wouldnt work |
| 06:41.24 | Solet | then i shifted slightly (leg fell asleep) and saw fg |
| 06:41.28 | Solet | :P |
| 06:42.01 | ia3264 | dont worry fq just rm's init |
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| 06:42.55 | stouset | ia3264: That's handy |
| 06:43.31 | stouset | ia3264: I'm going to alias common typos to system-crippling commands, just to make administering production systems more fun |
| 06:44.00 | stouset | In fact, I'm going to write a hook for bash, where if an unrecognized command is ever run, it'll format the filesystem. |
| 06:44.06 | ia3264 | thats why you play barrage |
| 06:44.20 | Guerin | you should switch your accelerator and brake pedals, too |
| 06:44.39 | stouset | Guerin: No, rotate my brake, hand brake, and accelerator |
| 06:44.54 | stouset | The accelerator will be controlled by a lever under my right arm |
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| 06:45.09 | ia3264 | nascar would be more fun to watch if someone in a booth could toggle the accelerator/brake like that |
| 06:45.24 | stouset | rofl |
| 06:45.49 | stouset | ia3264: and could swap the steering wheel directions, too |
| 06:46.01 | ia3264 | that'd be skill |
| 06:46.05 | stouset | And switch gears at will |
| 06:46.14 | ia3264 | xtreme nascar |
| 06:46.18 | ia3264 | comin to fox this fall |
| 06:46.26 | ia3264 | maybe add some ramps |
| 06:46.28 | crashbg | how is it called the module CONFIG_USB_ACM? Is it cdc-acm.ko ? |
| 06:46.30 | stouset | It'll be XASCAR |
| 06:46.46 | ia3264 | i bet if we pitched it fox would accept |
| 06:47.00 | stouset | We'll have Vince McMahon run it. |
| 06:47.11 | Guerin | pwn3d |
| 06:47.17 | ia3264 | it'd easily make some of their 'worlds worst car crashes' shows too |
| 06:47.17 | simonrvn | fox will accept anything. look at what passes for news over there.... |
| 06:47.19 | Guerin | i just got off my last two hours of work |
| 06:47.55 | ia3264 | what network (or cable channel for that matter) has a respectiable news though :P |
| 06:48.03 | stouset | simonrvn: Nah, FOX is fine for news. Just people don't seem to understand that they have both news shows AND political commentary shows. |
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| 06:48.17 | ia3264 | real time with bill mahr and the daily show is about as good as it gets and those are comedy shows |
| 06:48.17 | Guerin | crashbg: ls -r /lib/modules/2.whetever |grep acm |
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| 06:48.23 | stouset | simonrvn: The news shows are fine. But god help you if you watch the political commentary. |
| 06:48.24 | Guerin | eh, -R |
| 06:48.50 | ia3264 | do they anchors *have* to talk in a panic'd tone |
| 06:48.56 | Guerin | stouset: itym 'news shows and political comedy shows' |
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| 06:49.04 | crashbg | ok Guerin ... |
| 06:49.25 | stouset | Haha. |
| 06:49.33 | ia3264 | they must have to take acting classes because no matter what the story is they'll adjust their emotions to fit it in an instant |
| 06:49.55 | win2lin | which is best compiled frontend package available for monitoring network links using MRTG and RRDTOOL |
| 06:49.56 | stouset | Guerin: I don't think I've ever heard Colmes talk on Hannity and Colmes. |
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| 06:50.31 | Guerin | stouset: even if I lived in the US, I wouldn't watch faux |
| 06:50.42 | ia3264 | fox has family guy |
| 06:50.48 | Guerin | cnn is fucking bad enough, but it's the only english language news channel I can get here |
| 06:50.53 | win2lin | which is best compiled frontend package available for monitoring network links using MRTG and RRDTOOL |
| 06:51.04 | ia3264 | ask once more , 3rd times usually a charm |
| 06:51.15 | streuner | Guerin: no satelitte? |
| 06:51.29 | streuner | !spell satellite |
| 06:51.31 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 06:51.38 | win2lin | In Debian which is best compiled frontend package available for monitoring network links using MRTG and RRDTOOL |
| 06:51.45 | crashbg | Guerin, isn't it ls -R for recursive? |
| 06:51.46 | Guerin | streuner: possible, but getting anything organised in this country is a damnable nightmare |
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| 06:51.52 | Guerin | crashbg: why yes, it is. |
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| 06:51.59 | Guerin | streuner: that spelling is correct. |
| 06:52.00 | crashbg | ok :) |
| 06:52.05 | stouset | win2lin: ask again, the 4th time is usually the charm when the 3rd time fails. |
| 06:52.10 | stouset | I've never seen the 3rd time fail though :-( |
| 06:52.19 | streuner | Guerin: hm |
| 06:52.21 | ia3264 | knock on woody |
| 06:52.44 | directhex | stouset, itym 'political commentary shows and political comedy shows' |
| 06:52.50 | adjacent | damnit. aYCa\ is smapping pr0n on /join. |
| 06:52.53 | ia3264 | i need a cigarette |
| 06:52.56 | ia3264 | and i dont even smoke |
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| 06:53.04 | stouset | adjacent: Then buy some. |
| 06:53.04 | adjacent | s/smapping/spamming/ |
| 06:53.05 | win2lin | stouset: i am asking seriously and ur joking |
| 06:53.18 | ia3264 | just because its spam doesnt mean hes pushin bad product |
| 06:53.24 | stouset | win2lin: I'm joking because you've asked the same goddamn question three times now. Nobody answered. |
| 06:53.35 | stouset | win2lin: Sometimes nobody in the channel knows the answer. That's life. |
| 06:53.45 | stouset | win2lin: Google it, or come back tomorrow. |
| 06:53.57 | win2lin | that all i tried yaar |
| 06:54.00 | ia3264 | we know the answer but we're just too cruel to tell you |
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| 06:54.08 | adjacent | see for yourself "http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Video" (caution: i haven't visited this, and refuse to support spammers. you've been warned...) |
| 06:54.09 | win2lin | and i got lots of results |
| 06:54.31 | win2lin | but all are not oerfect for debian |
| 06:54.32 | ia3264 | we only help people with nicks we like |
| 06:54.39 | stouset | win2lin: Then realize that nobody here knows the answer. Asking repeatedly isn't going to somehow give us experience with whatever the hell you're talking about. |
| 06:54.51 | stouset | adjacent: That is some nice free porn there. |
| 06:54.51 | adjacent | stouset: ill make a trade. find out the command to list ircops, and i will answer your question |
| 06:55.11 | stouset | I had a question? |
| 06:55.24 | adjacent | otherwise, i will only reply with socratic responces and half-truths |
| 06:55.30 | adjacent | oops, no. win2lin did. |
| 06:55.39 | stouset | That was pretty socratic. |
| 06:55.40 | adjacent | offer stands for you too win2lin |
| 06:55.42 | stouset | I know I was confused. |
| 06:55.49 | melita | hello |
| 06:55.51 | ia3264 | someone answer him before he /nick lin2win |
| 06:55.51 | streuner | adjacent: don't paste that crap into channel, please. |
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| 06:56.03 | streuner | adjacent: /msg chanserv help |
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| 06:56.14 | Guerin | fucking hell |
| 06:56.15 | adjacent | streuner: sorry. |
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| 06:56.26 | Guerin | stfu about the gdmf spambot |
| 06:56.35 | Guerin | just read the fucking topic and deal |
| 06:56.50 | stouset | Guerin: But we're trying to help the guy! Who would try to advertise a free product? |
| 06:56.52 | streuner | even Ops have to sleep |
| 06:56.54 | ia3264 | heres a stupid question: is daemon pronounced daymon or demon? |
| 06:57.00 | Guerin | demon |
| 06:57.03 | simonrvn | neither |
| 06:57.05 | ia3264 | blast! |
| 06:57.11 | ia3264 | i lost a dollar |
| 06:57.13 | stouset | Guerin: Really? I've always said daymon. |
| 06:57.29 | ia3264 | my friend said its demon and thats why the bsd demon is named daemon |
| 06:57.51 | ia3264 | but ive been sayini daymon forever :( |
| 06:57.52 | Guerin | i'm not cclaiming to be authoritative |
| 06:58.00 | directhex | it's pronounced daemon ¬_¬ |
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| 06:58.05 | simonrvn | @pronounce daemon |
| 06:58.10 | streuner | as i said before, we would need an extra Op 24/7 to kill the on-join spambots... |
| 06:58.24 | adjacent | wikipedia? In common Unix usage a daemon may be any background process, whether a child of init or not. UNIX users sometimes spell daemon as demon, and most usually pronounce the word that way. |
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| 06:58.35 | rixth_afk | !flw34 |
| 06:58.35 | dpkg | it has been said that flw34 is < rixth_> My computer went mental! |
| 06:58.43 | ia3264 | i guess demon is cooler |
| 06:58.55 | ia3264 | but who trusts wikipedia |
| 06:59.06 | Guerin | adjacent: I just got that too |
| 06:59.23 | ia3264 | though i learned what grep truely stands for with wikipedia, or did i |
| 06:59.33 | adjacent | streuner: wait. isnt that a ircops job? they should be klined, not just banned from the channel |
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| 07:00.03 | ia3264 | its probably one of the op's bots |
| 07:00.10 | Guerin | the reason you're told to /umode +E is because they needn't be IN a channel to message you |
| 07:00.23 | simonrvn | i'm gonna try to see if i can find a replacement down at the lab... |
| 07:00.58 | bob2 | who should be klined? |
| 07:01.03 | stouset | Guerin: /umode +E does...what? |
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| 07:01.26 | Guerin | stouset: stops messages from users who're not registered with nickserv |
| 07:01.28 | ia3264 | the spambot kalvin klined |
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| 07:01.53 | Guerin | !lose ia3264 |
| 07:01.53 | dpkg | ia3264: You Lose. |
| 07:02.18 | stouset | Guerin: well hell, that sounds handy |
| 07:02.22 | ia3264 | crap there went my face |
| 07:02.26 | nipplesrulz | goodnight irc |
| 07:02.44 | ia3264 | i'll play you again for it back, double or nothing |
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| 07:03.02 | stouset | ia3264: What are you betting in return? |
| 07:03.18 | ia3264 | you'd think a spammer would check to see if his bot was kicked out and if not he knows the ops are asleep and can thus bring in more or worse |
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| 07:03.38 | simonrvn | will you shut up already? |
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| 07:04.07 | simonrvn | been going on about this for an hour or more. LET IT THE FUCK GO ALREADY FFS |
| 07:04.08 | ia3264 | you can't make me since theres no ops! |
| 07:04.09 | ia3264 | jk |
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| 07:05.00 | simonrvn | wtf, x86 with -fPIC -DPIC? heh |
| 07:05.06 | ia3264 | i let it go but no one else seems to so if you cant beat em /join em |
| 07:05.14 | jm_ | simonrvn: that's a sane thing to do |
| 07:05.30 | simonrvn | jm_: so i've seen. |
| 07:05.54 | simonrvn | at one point certain things wouldn't even complete a build without those |
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| 07:08.30 | simonrvn | it's funny, 'cause the box i'm typing from would build things as slow as the one one only if its load is at 5 or something =) |
| 07:08.36 | mutante | a user wants to upload to my computer using sftp/scp (just the regular sshd),and he has the permission to write to the dir, but he gets "Cant write to remote file. ID mismatch (219 != 27)". Have a hint what to check now? |
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| 07:08.55 | simonrvn | scp has issues.... |
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| 07:09.09 | simonrvn | ...which is too bad, since it's so useful |
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| 07:09.35 | mutante | damn :p is there another deamon i could run for more stable SFTP then? |
| 07:09.39 | shining | which issues ? |
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| 07:10.14 | mutante | ID mismatch of user,disallowing him to write to a file that he created himself |
| 07:10.30 | simonrvn | well, one fix i found today was to temporarily move .bashrc out of the way - esp. if it has things that output stuff (like running uptime for instance) |
| 07:10.48 | mutante | thanks for the hint |
| 07:11.12 | simonrvn | could be something else though, like the partition needing an fsck, or network congestion, or ... |
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| 07:11.39 | eskaypey | how to find out wheather i have woody or sarge? |
| 07:11.43 | mutante | i also had issues with windows SCP clients connecting and then crashing on reading the directory listing |
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| 07:12.06 | Guerin | eskaypey: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 07:12.09 | streuner | eskaypey: install gkrellm-weather plugin |
| 07:12.15 | Guerin | haha |
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| 07:12.20 | streuner | oh |
| 07:12.27 | streuner | haha |
| 07:12.46 | unspoken | what's funny |
| 07:12.56 | simonrvn | "weather", "whether" =) |
| 07:13.04 | unspoken | oh haha |
| 07:13.09 | unspoken | i'm slow |
| 07:14.03 | ia3264 | apt-get install weatherbug |
| 07:14.56 | streuner | !ops aYCa\ |
| 07:14.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aYCa\ |
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| 07:15.23 | streuner | now with delay |
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| 07:15.43 | Guerin | good evening, bob2 |
| 07:15.51 | stouset | What happened to bob1? |
| 07:15.52 | streuner | thanks |
| 07:15.58 | bob2 | stouset: I ate him |
| 07:16.02 | bob2 | hi, Guerin |
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| 07:16.12 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 07:16.18 | stouset | bob2: Gruesome. |
| 07:16.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:16.30 | QUACH-VU | i have IPtables firewall installed in my debian server, can anyone tell me how to config it? |
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| 07:16.47 | Guerin | QUACH-VU: do you know what you have to do, yet? |
| 07:16.56 | QUACH-VU | not yet |
| 07:16.59 | Guerin | QUACH-VU: did you find anything out about the attack? |
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| 07:17.09 | simonrvn | *groan*. i said "gruesome" out loud, and my wfe said "grew some. what did they grow?" |
| 07:17.13 | stouset | QUACH-VU: A tip...figure out what you have to do before you start doing it? |
| 07:17.37 | QUACH-VU | my server get attack and my server provider say there is a iptables program in my server already install, ask me to config it to help server firwall |
| 07:17.53 | Guerin | configure it to do what? |
| 07:17.56 | ia3264 | sure she didnt say 'what did YOU grow'? |
| 07:18.00 | QUACH-VU | firewall |
| 07:18.00 | simonrvn | read the HOWTOs i pointed you at hours ago |
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| 07:18.09 | QUACH-VU | helping anti flooding from 3rd person |
| 07:18.20 | stouset | QUACH-VU: "firewall" isn't a magic word. You have to tell it specifically what to *do* |
| 07:18.25 | Guerin | QUACH-VU: hire a competent admin. |
| 07:18.31 | ia3264 | firewalls dont stop flooding you need like sandbags |
| 07:18.31 | QUACH-VU | ok |
| 07:18.31 | simonrvn | DoS? you can't do anything from your side anyway. foergetaboutit |
| 07:18.36 | stouset | QUACH-VU: You can't just wave a wand and say, "iptables, firewall mode GO!" |
| 07:18.39 | mutante | QUACH-VU: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html |
| 07:19.11 | QUACH-VU | thanks mutan |
| 07:19.14 | Guerin | QUACH-VU: or better yet, make your ISP hire a competent fucking admin, whose advice against a dos is something more than 'firewall it with iptables' |
| 07:19.18 | ia3264 | you just run iptables-setup.exe and click 'next' till you see a 'finished' then click 'launch iptables now' |
| 07:19.43 | Guerin | ia3264: but don't check the 'View README.TXT?' box |
| 07:19.50 | ia3264 | i never do |
| 07:19.52 | melita | root@ubuntu:/ # mount /dev/hda1 |
| 07:19.53 | melita | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, |
| 07:19.53 | melita | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.57 | stouset | Hahahaha. They're advertising a diet pill on TV. "DietPill001 is so effective, the U.S. Government issued it a patent!" |
| 07:20.01 | Guerin | melita: #ubuntu |
| 07:20.01 | ia3264 | that just launches emacs |
| 07:20.05 | Guerin | melita: don't paste |
| 07:20.07 | melita | yes live |
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| 07:20.16 | Gumby | I have both xorg and xfree installed... is there a command that will tell me which is currently being used? |
| 07:20.23 | Guerin | melita: this is #debian. |
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| 07:20.28 | Guerin | Gumby: xdpyinfo |
| 07:20.30 | stouset | Gumby: ps aux | grep x |
| 07:20.38 | melita | i know but im making a debian |
| 07:20.39 | Guerin | eskaypey: don't message me, please. |
| 07:20.49 | Guerin | melita: not with ubuntu, you aren't. |
| 07:20.53 | Gumby | Guerin: thats the one, I couldnt remmeber it |
| 07:21.02 | streuner | Gumby: if you can look through the monitor its xorg then ;-) |
| 07:21.17 | melita | yes trust me LFS |
| 07:21.22 | Guerin | melita: the short answer is to read man mount and man fstab. |
| 07:21.25 | mutante | melita: maybe you have to specify the type "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 for example if its a windows paritition) |
| 07:21.35 | eskaypey | Guerin: so what i look for? |
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| 07:21.53 | Guerin | eskaypey: version. compare with the version on packages.debian.org |
| 07:21.57 | melita | its a linux partition |
| 07:22.08 | ia3264 | does the v in vfat stand for very |
| 07:22.10 | Guerin | melita: #ubuntu! |
| 07:22.18 | streuner | melita: /j #ubuntu |
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| 07:22.47 | Guerin | my brain tells me it starts for virtual, but I may be wrong |
| 07:22.50 | shaym_ | hello |
| 07:22.53 | ia3264 | i wouldnt go into #ubuntu without an experienced safari guide |
| 07:22.55 | Guerin | stands for |
| 07:23.08 | Guerin | ia3264: sounds like you're volunteering |
| 07:23.23 | mutante | hmm,i think its v for virtual |
| 07:23.24 | shaym_ | is possible to downgrading from unstable to testing ? |
| 07:23.44 | eskaypey | it says 2.3.2 where woody is 3.0 and sarge 3.1 ?? |
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| 07:23.48 | Guerin | anything's possible. |
| 07:23.49 | adjacent | very fat. |
| 07:23.51 | mutante | Virtual File Allocation Table |
| 07:23.56 | shining | shaym_: why did u upgrade ? |
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| 07:24.10 | shining | shaym_: its never recommended, in all distrib I know |
| 07:24.12 | mutante | a virtual installable files system driver |
| 07:24.14 | Guerin | eskaypey: no. the version of libc6 in woody is 2.2.5 or so. You're running sarge. |
| 07:24.26 | mutante | not even a real file system,that means? |
| 07:24.46 | eskaypey | ok, thanx Guerin |
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| 07:25.11 | boycer | msg dpkg d-i |
| 07:25.37 | mogorman | sorry to ask again but can anyone tell me how to get the signature working for debuild |
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| 07:26.02 | shaym_ | i ever supposed that i'll get new packages with sid, but when i saw last week packages version between unstable and testing, i changed my point of view |
| 07:26.21 | shaym_ | the diff is not big between both |
| 07:26.23 | idnar | how can I assign two IP addresses to an interface in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 07:26.25 | s-toned | I have 2 systems. The "search"-entry on pc1 remains unchanged, and on pc2 gets blanked. Who or what is responsible for that? |
| 07:26.33 | idnar | specifying address twice gives me a syntax error |
| 07:26.48 | ia3264 | thats a lot of questions |
| 07:26.53 | ia3264 | take a number |
| 07:27.00 | s-toned | That is, the search entry in resolv.conf. |
| 07:27.00 | Morvok | my god.. |
| 07:27.02 | plus | 'apt-get dist-upgrade' wants to remove bash and base-files. I'm scared. What's going on here? What should I do? Is this described somewhere? (This is sid for amd64 from alioth) |
| 07:27.17 | Guerin | plus: #debian-amd64 |
| 07:27.26 | Guerin | plus: soimething is very horribly broken. |
| 07:27.49 | idnar | plus: don't let it remove them, otherwise you'll have a hard time fixing it |
| 07:28.12 | Guerin | idnar: you mean virtual mapping? eth0:0 and eth0:1 etc? |
| 07:28.15 | PerfDave | idnar: As I understand it, you can only have one IP per interface. You need to assign to eth0:0 and eth0:1 if you want to have multiple interfaces, but I can't remember what you need to do to have :X things on interfaces. |
| 07:28.24 | plus | Guerin & idnar: The people in #debian-amd64 prolly all said YES, because it's empty and quiet there... |
| 07:28.31 | Guerin | hahah |
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| 07:28.34 | idnar | plus: bwahaha |
| 07:28.42 | simonrvn | you can do it with ip. you have to use aliases with ifconfig |
| 07:28.49 | idnar | Guerin, PerfDave: oh hrm, I hadn't thought of interface aliases (or whatever those things are called) |
| 07:29.06 | Guerin | plus: tell it no, and look specifically at why - what's causing the specific conflict. |
| 07:29.17 | Guerin | plus: or run with -s |
| 07:29.22 | simonrvn | inet 66.11.161.130/28 brd 66.11.161.143 scope global secondary eth0:0 |
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| 07:29.37 | s-toned | Which program writes in resolv.conf? (It's no ppp-system.) |
| 07:29.43 | simonrvn | that was set with ifupdown |
| 07:29.46 | idnar | simonrvn: yeah, I guess ifupdown uses ifconfig |
| 07:29.48 | Guerin | various do, I think |
| 07:29.54 | Guerin | s-toned: ^^^ |
| 07:30.06 | ia3264 | how do you guys have wives, i cant pull that off with this lifestyle |
| 07:30.08 | Guerin | i know dhcp clients can, forex |
| 07:30.08 | HIB | Can anyone help me install a 3Com netcard (3c59x)... modprobe keeps failing.. |
| 07:30.12 | ia3264 | tell me your secret |
| 07:30.14 | plus | Guerin: How do I "look specifically at why"? |
| 07:30.22 | streuner | s-toned: if you using DHCP prolly dhclient |
| 07:30.23 | Guerin | ia3264: marry someone less sane than you |
| 07:30.38 | Guerin | HIB: failing how? |
| 07:30.40 | ia3264 | i meet psychos all the time but they wouldnt let me use the computer much |
| 07:31.06 | Guerin | let you? |
| 07:31.06 | ia3264 | i guess if i handed them a credit card |
| 07:31.06 | Guerin | my wife doesn't LET me do anything, I'm my own person. |
| 07:31.06 | ia3264 | but im broke, ahh thats probably why :) |
| 07:31.17 | nevyn | hrm |
| 07:31.25 | ia3264 | let as in doesnt get in your face about it till you finally cave in |
| 07:31.32 | Guerin | marriage is not a grant/withold permission relationship, contrary to what TV might tell you |
| 07:31.48 | ia3264 | all my relationships have told me that :P |
| 07:31.51 | ia3264 | thats why im scared of marriage |
| 07:31.57 | nevyn | Guerin: no but making people you love unhappy sucks. |
| 07:31.58 | HIB | Guerin: I'm unable to load the 3c59x module... |
| 07:31.59 | ia3264 | i need to go on dr phil |
| 07:32.06 | simonrvn | it's a partnership |
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| 07:32.13 | ia3264 | doesnt sound like love to me if they do |
| 07:32.17 | Guerin | nevyn: sure. But that's MY decision and responsibility to avoid, not someone else's. |
| 07:32.20 | ia3264 | thats what i always say then they dump me |
| 07:32.23 | nevyn | right. |
| 07:32.24 | streuner | HIB: what does 'uname -a' say? |
| 07:32.30 | idnar | *sigh* I hate my domain registrar |
| 07:32.32 | Guerin | HIB: WHY NOT? |
| 07:32.50 | HIB | streuner: looking.. |
| 07:33.07 | nevyn | Guerin: but the point is that there are actions you could take as your own person that would make your significant other unhappy that you avoid doing because they would make them unhappy. |
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| 07:33.22 | nevyn | but not because you don't want to do them. |
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| 07:33.29 | s-toned | streuner: Oh, thanks, that's true. |
| 07:33.58 | Guerin | nevyn: this is very different from someone letting me take or forbidding me to take a given action ... which I don't respond terribly well to. |
| 07:34.13 | nevyn | right. |
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| 07:34.22 | HIB | streiner: uname -a returns: Linux csvserver 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown |
| 07:34.24 | PerfDave | Guerin: You can't say that! :) |
| 07:34.38 | streuner_ | !real kernel |
| 07:34.38 | dpkg | hmm... real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 07:34.41 | Guerin | PerfDave: I'll say it again if you want me not to :) |
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| 07:35.21 | PerfDave | Relationships, marriage or otherwise, are about compromise and fairness. Nobody wants to make their partner unhappy, it's all about striking balance. |
| 07:35.36 | s-toned | streuner: On pc1, where the search entry is untouched, I can't find any program with dh in the name (with ps ax). But it's a dhcp-system too. |
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| 07:35.46 | streuner_ | HIB: desktop or server? |
| 07:35.51 | Guerin | yeah. If it's a power struggle, it's all going to fall apart eventually. |
| 07:36.17 | Guerin | s-toned: a dhcp client isn't a daemon, it rund once and terminates |
| 07:36.18 | streuner_ | s-toned: dpkg -l pump |
| 07:36.26 | PerfDave | I'm sure my grilf would be happier if I went home every night to chat to her online or on the phone, but she recognises that I have a life of my own and need to balance going out with my friends with spending time talking to her. |
| 07:36.28 | Samus_Aran | anyone know how to get a USB 2.0 camera transfering at 480Mbps or somewhere thereabouts ? it says "Spd 12" in /proc/bus/usb/devices and I have "usbcore ehci_hcd ub usbhid uhci_hcd" loaded |
| 07:36.30 | simonrvn | no kidding the load avg. is flapping you dumbass nagios |
| 07:37.08 | PerfDave | simonrvn: Doesn't nagios have flap-detection and avoidance? |
| 07:37.16 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:37.24 | HIB | streuner_: uname -a returns: I want to setup a CVS server on it... (Just installed it, running irc-client on another machine) |
| 07:37.52 | streuner_ | HIB: ok |
| 07:37.56 | Guerin | HIB: that kernel doesn't support your nic, clearly. |
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| 07:38.04 | stouset | Anyone know why I'm getting an "incomplete sheep" error from electricsheep? |
| 07:38.17 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:38.21 | simonrvn | zap it |
| 07:38.33 | streuner_ | Guerin: 2.2.20-ide... |
| 07:38.44 | HIB | Guerin: Okay... What kernel should I use then? |
| 07:38.47 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:38.56 | Guerin | HIB: the one streuner_ already told you about |
| 07:39.18 | streuner_ | !real kernel |
| 07:39.18 | dpkg | from memory, real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
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| 07:41.19 | HIB | Guerin: Okay... I'll try that... Thanx for your help |
| 07:41.32 | HIB | streiner: uname -a returns: U2 |
| 07:41.35 | s-toned | Guerin: On the 'bad' system there is: /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0. |
| 07:41.42 | HIB | streiner: U2 (ups) |
| 07:42.10 | ravenbird | fartFishSuckas |
| 07:42.10 | Guerin | oh, interesting |
| 07:42.51 | liable | has ravenbird suddenly developed tureetes |
| 07:43.07 | Guerin | nothing sudden about it |
| 07:43.21 | s-toned | streuner_: There is pump on the 'good' system, and dhclient on the 'bad'. I'll switch and reboot. Let's see. |
| 07:43.31 | ravenbird | dunno, have i? |
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| 07:45.09 | ravenbird | maybe i have. but some people in here are worse than me - i mean that in a kind way |
| 07:45.20 | Guerin | ravenbird: fuck you |
| 07:45.23 | ravenbird | *wink* |
| 07:45.57 | Guerin | a glass vibrator sounds dangerous |
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| 07:46.10 | ravenbird | sure does. *ow* |
| 07:46.43 | simonrvn | @say hi |
| 07:46.44 | ravenbird | hi |
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| 07:47.13 | Debian_it | any one knows how can I change the loggin screen uner xdm ? |
| 07:47.32 | simonrvn | configure xdm |
| 07:47.48 | Debian_it | simonrvn: through ? |
| 07:48.14 | simonrvn | your favourite text editor and root privs, and reading man xdm |
| 07:48.53 | Debian_it | simonrvn oups I meant where would u edit that .. am trying to change that splahsh screen for login to something more decent thats all |
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| 07:50.14 | acces_ | Can I Install Debian whith my DVD ROM ?????? (netinstaller) |
| 07:50.24 | melita | yes |
| 07:50.25 | simonrvn | dunno, can you? |
| 07:50.28 | Guerin | !d-i acces_ |
| 07:50.29 | dpkg | acces_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:50.39 | simonrvn | you certainly have our permission ;p |
| 07:50.58 | acces_ | but is with jigdo |
| 07:51.12 | acces_ | can i burn the CD image net installer in a DVD-R ? |
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| 07:51.52 | Guerin | only you know what your hardware is |
| 07:52.01 | Guerin | oh |
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| 07:52.07 | iLLf8d | good evening all |
| 07:52.10 | Guerin | a dvd-r doesn't burn anything |
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| 07:52.53 | acces_ | i have a laptop, but my DVD Rom is not read a CD-R ... only dvd-r ... and i want to install debian :( |
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| 07:53.06 | iLLf8d | anyone know if theres a way to flush a system back to its install base w/out a resintall? (ie perhaps a purge of all but the base install files) Is there a way to determine which files those would be? |
| 07:53.08 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 07:53.25 | Guerin | iLLf8d: just reinstall |
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| 07:53.30 | eonn | can anyone recommend a VPN server package under sarge? |
| 07:53.54 | Debian_it | what do you guys recomment a site to download the latest Debian CDs from the web ? |
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| 07:55.18 | eonn | Debian_it: www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 07:55.28 | Raf256 | how can I convert .png into a .tga? convert seems to fuck it up - it does something wierd to the alpha channel (inverts it imho) |
| 07:56.05 | Debian_it | eonn: how many CDs would be needed ? first 3 ? |
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| 07:56.59 | eonn | depends on the installation |
| 07:57.10 | eonn | you can do a net install |
| 07:57.37 | eonn | or just use the first CD and select the source as FTP and download the rest of the packages from there |
| 07:58.02 | sceig | I have just installed packages x-window-system-core and kde. when i type startx , the message "X-window failed to start. No /home/myuser/.Xsession file...." |
| 07:58.05 | eonn | -> Can anyone recommend a VPN server package under sarge? |
| 07:58.12 | sceig | what should write in that file |
| 07:58.20 | sceig | i'm on sarge |
| 07:58.25 | rafx | speaking of write...is there a command in debian (sarge) that will force all cached writes to be written to all disks? |
| 07:58.39 | liable | sceig: just install kdm |
| 07:58.41 | simonrvn | sync |
| 07:58.48 | rafx | thanks |
| 07:58.53 | surrounder | hi all, I just installed debian yesterday and I have a little annoyance with my sound; when for example I switch workspaces in X ( Xfree86, fvwm) the sound jamms and continues again....any ideas? |
| 07:59.44 | eonn | comeon guys - i dont want a How To i just wanna know the name of a recommended VPN package |
| 07:59.53 | iLLf8d | anyone know if an lvm master drive will be accessible if its moved to slave under a fresh install? |
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| 08:00.03 | simonrvn | eonn: there are several |
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| 08:02.23 | bodq | @ops Bass is an onjoin spammer |
| 08:02.25 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Bass is an onjoin spammer |
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| 08:02.31 | eonn | simonrvn: I am looking for a stable VPN server suitable for medium sized accounting firm |
| 08:02.45 | simonrvn | any of them will do |
| 08:02.51 | adjacent | eonn: openvpn |
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| 08:03.34 | eonn | openvpn - great |
| 08:03.37 | eonn | will check it out |
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| 08:03.54 | adjacent | eonn: you want point to multipoint vpn? or point to point? |
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| 08:04.46 | herbi | Bass is onjoin spamming |
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| 08:05.25 | sceig | after having installed kdm, i 've got the same message :"no /home/myuser/.Xsession file" |
| 08:05.40 | streuner_ | herbi: !ops Bass is a on-join spambot |
| 08:05.50 | herbi | !ops Bass is a on-join spambot |
| 08:05.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Bass is a on-join spambot |
| 08:06.04 | herbi | thats scary. |
| 08:06.29 | streuner_ | What's scary? |
| 08:07.03 | streuner_ | that are no ops awake or that someone want earn money? |
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| 08:07.17 | eonn | adjacent - i only have experience with point to point. What is multipoint? |
| 08:07.25 | groulder | Bass is spamming on join. |
| 08:07.31 | simonrvn | ... |
| 08:07.33 | streuner_ | we know |
| 08:07.36 | simonrvn | WE KNOW |
| 08:07.46 | groulder | so do something about it. |
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| 08:08.28 | adjacent | eonn: i.e. a server listens for connections and remote users (generally laptops) use a client software access the VPN. the vpn server runs a dhcp server to hand out ips for the laptops endpoint |
| 08:08.33 | sceig | I have just installed packages x-window-system-core and kde. when i type startx , the message "X-window failed to start. No /home/myuser/.Xsession file....". What should i write in .Xsession file ? (i'm on sarge) |
| 08:08.40 | SlayerXP | !ops Bass is an on-join porn spammmer. |
| 08:08.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Bass is an on-join porn spammmer. |
| 08:08.55 | streuner_ | SlayerXP: we know ;-) |
| 08:09.15 | the-wish | hi |
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| 08:09.27 | the-wish | does apt-build optimized packages? |
| 08:09.33 | the-wish | or is an ilusion? |
| 08:09.53 | SlayerXP | the-wish: try asking a less vague question. |
| 08:11.19 | liable | sceig: who did you log in as? |
| 08:11.31 | sceig | user (not root) |
| 08:11.55 | streuner_ | exec startkde |
| 08:12.08 | Raf256 | fuck |
| 08:12.21 | Raf256 | isnt there _any_ proram that can convert all .png to .tga?! |
| 08:12.29 | Raf256 | convert destroys the alpha channel |
| 08:12.46 | Raf256 | also windows irfanview do simmilar thing, w.t.f. |
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| 08:15.39 | Raf256 | any other program to convert .png into .tga? |
| 08:16.16 | groulder | i've never heard of the tga file extension. |
| 08:16.19 | groulder | you must be making it up. |
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| 08:16.59 | Raf256 | Targa files |
| 08:17.05 | groulder | sure they are. |
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| 08:17.15 | plus | Raf256: i've never heard of .tga with alpha channel |
| 08:17.36 | Raf256 | plus: gimp can make them |
| 08:17.39 | Raf256 | fr example |
| 08:18.19 | plus | Raf256: well, then " isnt there _any_ proram that can convert all .png to .tga" is answered, right? (gimp, that is) |
| 08:18.39 | Raf256 | plus: but I want a batch conversion, I have like 200 files |
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| 08:19.37 | Danar | bass = spammer |
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| 08:21.42 | greister | How to change windows manager from gnome to fvwm? |
| 08:21.42 | streuner_ | !ops bass is a on-join spammer |
| 08:21.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: bass is a on-join spammer |
| 08:21.56 | Danar | streuner_: thx |
| 08:22.04 | streuner_ | !wm |
| 08:22.04 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. |
| 08:22.12 | renegad3 | is there a low-level formatting tool in debian? |
| 08:22.37 | Danar | can someone help me with apt-listchanges? it keeps displaying an empty page |
| 08:22.41 | streuner_ | renegad3: why do you thin you need that? |
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| 08:23.01 | streuner_ | Danar: check out BTS |
| 08:23.10 | streuner_ | s/thin/think/ |
| 08:23.11 | Danar | streuner_: o.O |
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| 08:23.25 | renegad3 | streuner_: the cops are coming |
| 08:24.12 | Danar | streuner_: ? |
| 08:24.29 | Debian_it | where can I find a sample to set environment settings in the .bashrc file such as LC_TIME=" " and LANG=" " |
| 08:24.36 | streuner_ | !tell Danar about bts |
| 08:24.53 | simonrvn | Debian_it: man locale |
| 08:24.58 | Danar | oh, that |
| 08:25.00 | simonrvn | @utf-8 |
| 08:25.00 | ravenbird | UTF-8, Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international character set range of Unicode. See http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html. Try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). ... |
| 08:25.21 | Danar | that doesn't solve my problem |
| 08:25.59 | simonrvn | i wasn't talking to you ffs |
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| 08:28.44 | streuner_ | Danar: have you looked at BTS yet? |
| 08:28.55 | Danar | i'm looking... |
| 08:29.02 | Danar | at bug reports for apt-listchanges |
| 08:29.37 | Danar | there's a lot of bugs, but i don't see anything relevant |
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| 08:30.56 | Danar | well, that didn't help |
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| 08:31.56 | jcoiron | hello, I wonder if a Debian package exists for Xoops, I found a Wishlist bug report about it, but it doesn't seems to be done yet, does someone have more info ? |
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| 08:33.06 | Danar | anyone know why apt-listchanges would display a blank page? |
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| 08:37.21 | DaFresh | 'llo |
| 08:37.43 | DaFresh | comment je peux agrandir la colonne des noms de packages d'un dpkg -l ? |
| 08:37.58 | SlayerXP | DaFresh: Anglais sil vous plait. |
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| 08:38.53 | streuner_ | !ops Bass is a on-join spammer |
| 08:38.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Bass is a on-join spammer |
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| 08:39.35 | streuner_ | thanks |
| 08:40.05 | sceig | how can i download a package without installing it ? i would like to store that package on a partition, and to install it when i need |
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| 08:41.18 | rixth_afk | scieg, apt-get -d |
| 08:41.27 | rixth_afk | (the -d is for download only) |
| 08:41.35 | sceig | tks |
| 08:41.47 | rixth_afk | Just have to read the man page, "man apt-get" |
| 08:42.08 | sceig | is it possible to download it from a windows station ? |
| 08:42.16 | rixth_afk | Yes |
| 08:42.28 | rixth_afk | Just goto your repository. |
| 08:42.38 | bob2 | sceig: look at apt-zip |
| 08:42.52 | bob2 | it's way better to state your actual question, instead of some small subset |
| 08:42.59 | bob2 | by gtelling us everything, we can often suggest a better solution |
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| 08:44.32 | sceig | i would like to burn (from a windows host) a cd with all the package neccesaries to install x-window-system-core and kde |
| 08:44.51 | bob2 | apt-zip is what you want to get all the packages |
| 08:45.12 | bob2 | there's no easy way to generate index files from windows so that apt can use the cd directly |
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| 08:48.32 | tzafrir | is there any tool like apt-listchanges but for packages about to be installed? |
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| 08:49.24 | streuner_ | tzafrir: try 'apt-get -s foo' |
| 08:49.35 | streuner_ | -s option, if you mean that |
| 08:50.22 | renegad3 | after installing alsa using apt-get and then rebooting, my network card is not detected by the system. how can i fix this? |
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| 08:50.42 | tzafrir | streuner_, oh, you mean the option --recon |
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| 08:50.50 | tzafrir | actually, not what I meant. |
| 08:51.06 | streuner_ | no, option -s (simulate) |
| 08:52.00 | Zenox | Is there a java-package v0.22+ deb (backport) for Woody? |
| 08:52.19 | tzafrir | (streuner_, that's yet another name for it. For some reason I have always remembered the name --recon) |
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| 08:52.44 | PerfDave | Zenox: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 08:52.46 | tzafrir | But is there any way to put such information in a repository and make it avilable to apt clients? |
| 08:53.05 | tzafrir | Or I should use an "out of band" web page? |
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| 08:53.32 | bob2 | tzafrir: what sort of info are you trying to make available? |
| 08:54.00 | tzafrir | basically: why you should upgrade, and why you potentially shouldn't |
| 08:54.20 | bob2 | apt has no provision for that |
| 08:54.32 | streuner_ | tzafrir: apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 08:54.34 | bob2 | in general, it always tries to get the latest version of packages |
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| 08:55.27 | tzafrir | streuner_, that, however, takes information from an unpackaed(?) package. It requires downloading (and unpacking?) the package. |
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| 08:55.42 | Zenox | PerfDave: Couldn't find any backport on those sites. You know where I can find info how to make my own backport from a Sid/Sarge package to Woody? |
| 08:55.48 | streuner_ | tzafrir: that would make sense if you running unstable/sid |
| 08:56.14 | streuner_ | tzafrir: no, it shows the infos before installing the packages |
| 08:56.21 | dns21 | tzafrir: you don't have to unpack it |
| 08:56.32 | PerfDave | Zenox: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 08:56.46 | streuner_ | !backport |
| 08:56.47 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 08:56.48 | renegad3 | is there a hardware detection program in debian? |
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| 08:56.54 | streuner_ | !backports |
| 08:56.54 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 08:57.01 | streuner_ | the same |
| 08:57.09 | streuner_ | renegad3: discover |
| 08:57.16 | tzafrir | So if I run a dist-upgrade -d, I should have that information available, right? |
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| 08:57.39 | streuner_ | renegad3: if you have your system installed via d-i its auto on your system |
| 08:57.52 | streuner_ | tzafrir: yes |
| 08:57.54 | renegad3 | what is d-i? |
| 08:58.31 | streuner_ | !d-i |
| 08:58.31 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 08:58.54 | renegad3 | ahh ok |
| 08:59.13 | renegad3 | well basically the network card was running fine, then i installed alsa, and from then on the card is not detected |
| 08:59.19 | renegad3 | however it appears in lspci |
| 08:59.51 | streuner_ | renegad3: make sure the module is loaded |
| 09:00.07 | PerfDave | renegad3: What makes you think it's not detected? Is it visible with "ifconfig -a"? |
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| 09:00.25 | renegad3 | PerfDave: no, only loopback is listed there |
| 09:00.43 | PerfDave | renegad3: How did you install ALSA? |
| 09:00.46 | tzafrir | ouch! the dependencies of apt-listchanges don't fit well the minimal system I had in mind. Oh, well |
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| 09:00.51 | renegad3 | PerfDave: apt-get |
| 09:00.58 | PerfDave | renegad3: How *exactly* did you install ALSA? |
| 09:01.09 | Noid | i have a .avi file with embedded subs, but they don't display with mplayer, is there a way to do that or do I need to use something else? |
| 09:01.25 | renegad3 | PerfDave: apt-get install alsa; alsaconf |
| 09:01.41 | renegad3 | then i rebooted and sound worked, however my nic didnt |
| 09:02.05 | streuner_ | renegad3: that wouldn't change anything on your system which causes the NIC problem... |
| 09:02.19 | PerfDave | renegad3: Are you using a Debian-provided kernel-image or did you roll your own? |
| 09:02.34 | renegad3 | well it has happened before, so i reinstalled deb, and now its happened again |
| 09:02.41 | renegad3 | pre-installed |
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| 09:03.06 | valdyn | renegad3: are both ( sound card and your nic ) PCI cards? |
| 09:03.19 | renegad3 | both onboard, so yes |
| 09:03.52 | valdyn | renegad3: nm then, if they're on board you cannot switch slots |
| 09:04.21 | renegad3 | yah :( |
| 09:04.46 | streuner_ | renegad4: cat /proc/interupt |
| 09:05.10 | renegad3 | i can't right now, i'll show u the output in a few minutes |
| 09:05.12 | valdyn | renegad3: my thinkpad had bios settings that put _every_ pci device on the same interrupt. Maybe you want to check your bios to find out if your box's bios is doing something similar (stupid) |
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| 09:06.01 | streuner_ | renegad4: cat /proc/interrupts and show us the output in the paster (/msg dpkg flood) |
| 09:07.07 | renegad3 | ok |
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| 09:09.30 | Hacaro | where can I ask a question about smodels? |
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| 09:11.49 | valdyn | Noid: afaik mplayer is able to show the subtitles, read the manpage or mplayer --help |
| 09:12.05 | Noid | is there a linux player that can read embedded subs in a .avi? |
| 09:12.24 | Noid | valdyn: i just got told that mplayer can't do it by itself in #mplayer |
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| 09:13.28 | Hacaro | can anyone tell me if there is a channel about answer-set programming?thnks in advance |
| 09:13.38 | valdyn | Noid: there's only xine and mplayer really and vlc |
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| 09:14.58 | Noid | valdyn: i haven't tried vlc, gonna check, thanks |
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| 09:15.37 | lomba2 | alo a todos por aqui |
| 09:15.40 | s-toned | streuner_: I installed pump on the 'bad' system with no effect. dhcp3-* seems to necessary. But, one can only have pump or dhcp3-client. Which one would you recommend? |
| 09:15.49 | lomba2 | preciso de ajuda |
| 09:16.01 | streuner_ | !dhcp client |
| 09:16.01 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
| 09:16.09 | lomba2 | hello i need help |
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| 09:16.44 | lomba2 | someone speak portugues |
| 09:16.45 | nuix | how can i forbid xscreensaver running automatically when i power on my computer? |
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| 09:17.24 | lomba2 | i got 1 computers inm rs6000 i need install debian |
| 09:17.24 | ircdevil | !portugues |
| 09:17.26 | feffe | how do i install a rpm/package? example vlc_0.2.92-8_i386.deb |
| 09:17.28 | streuner_ | s-toned: install dhcp3-client, make sure you have the correct entries in interfaces and reboot |
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| 09:17.45 | feffe | any tutorial somewhere? |
| 09:17.52 | ildegar | feffe, that's debian package |
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| 09:18.00 | ircdevil | feffe: /topic -> faq |
| 09:18.01 | lomba2 | ta tudo bem |
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| 09:18.06 | feffe | ok thanks |
| 09:18.08 | lomba2 | podes me dar uma dica |
| 09:18.13 | valdyn | nuix: run xscreensaver-command -prefs |
| 09:18.22 | s-toned | streuner_: oops, sorry, looks like I should've contacted dpkg-bot first. But, thank you very much, though. |
| 09:18.37 | valdyn | !info vlc |
| 09:18.44 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1.svn20050314-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5106 kB, Installed size: 12944 kB |
| 09:19.34 | feffe | ii used Knoppix and isntalled it, and i read on knoppix homepage that when i install it it?s practicly debian |
| 09:19.50 | streuner_ | feffe: install debian |
| 09:19.57 | feffe | it?s to hard ;) |
| 09:19.59 | lomba2 | nao consegui instalar debian no powerpc power3 |
| 09:20.09 | streuner_ | !tell feffe about d-i |
| 09:20.29 | feffe | ok.. il give it a shot, any one know where to download debian? how many cds? |
| 09:20.32 | streuner_ | You can't install vlc on your live-cd |
| 09:20.41 | streuner_ | feffe: one |
| 09:20.44 | streuner_ | !d-i |
| 09:20.44 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 09:20.52 | nuix | valdyn, ok, i have a try |
| 09:21.15 | lomba2 | aloo |
| 09:21.20 | lomba2 | alguem por ai |
| 09:21.23 | streuner_ | !es |
| 09:21.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:21.29 | feffe | steretune: it?s only on one cd? Greate! =) |
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| 09:21.48 | streuner_ | feffe: we install almost everything over i-net |
| 09:22.02 | lomba2 | no aim speak portugues no spanish |
| 09:22.08 | streuner_ | !br |
| 09:22.08 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 09:22.09 | PerfDave | !es |
| 09:22.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:22.13 | PerfDave | !hispanic |
| 09:22.13 | dpkg | it has been said that hispanic is por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues; Para los usuarios debian de habla hispaña que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es |
| 09:22.35 | feffe | Stereotune: hopefully i?m still welcome here to asc some wustions =) |
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| 09:22.53 | feffe | questions* after i isntalled debian i return ;) |
| 09:23.19 | streuner_ | feffe: fine, but make sure you write the right nick, otherwise the nick isn't highligted |
| 09:23.40 | feffe | AHh sorry! =) Cya laters |
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| 09:29.02 | streuner_ | apt, test |
| 09:29.03 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 09:29.39 | streuner_ | apt, You should SAY 'Test failed' ! |
| 09:29.40 | groulder | anyone know why with the latest postfix package, it wants to remove postfix-tls? |
| 09:29.44 | groulder | there's nothing i can see in the changelog. |
| 09:29.52 | groulder | all i can suspect is that tls support has been into postfix. |
| 09:29.57 | Guerin | because they're mutually exclusive |
| 09:30.07 | Guerin | you can't put a v6 and a v8 in the same engine bay |
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| 09:30.34 | Guerin | postfix doesn't have tls - postfix-tls is postfix+tls+sasl, etc. |
| 09:31.11 | groulder | i've had postfix and postfix-tls installed up until today. |
| 09:31.20 | ignatz | the new postfix package |
| 09:31.21 | groulder | now to upgrade postfix, it wants to remove the postfix-tls package. |
| 09:31.22 | ignatz | has tls support |
| 09:31.27 | ignatz | you dont need the extra tls package anymore |
| 09:31.35 | Guerin | really? |
| 09:31.38 | groulder | that's all i wanted to know, ta. |
| 09:31.47 | ignatz | read changelog of postfix |
| 09:31.48 | ignatz | :) |
| 09:31.52 | ignatz | yw groulder |
| 09:32.00 | Guerin | the old postfix-tls package used to mean that postfix wasn't required |
| 09:32.05 | Guerin | they conflicted |
| 09:32.08 | streuner_ | where is an good HOWTO about postfix 2.x? |
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| 09:32.15 | ignatz | www.postfix.org |
| 09:32.16 | ignatz | :) |
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| 09:32.25 | petemc | streuner_: is that a joke? |
| 09:32.30 | Guerin | streuner_: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge |
| 09:32.31 | streuner_ | petemc: no |
| 09:32.39 | petemc | oh |
| 09:32.50 | eskaypey | in sarge when im trying to startx it says command not found |
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| 09:33.08 | Guerin | eskaypey: might want to install X, huh? |
| 09:33.13 | Guerin | just an idea... |
| 09:33.23 | streuner_ | http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/ |
| 09:33.25 | eskaypey | i just install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 09:33.42 | Guerin | eskaypey: x-window-system-core |
| 09:33.43 | streuner_ | Guerin, petemc: but that's for postfix 1.x |
| 09:33.44 | tzafrir | Is there any simple "network setup" terminal-based interface? something that is good enough for simple one-adapter setups? |
| 09:33.49 | eskaypey | ;) will be done |
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| 09:34.10 | tzafrir | (apart from vi /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 09:34.24 | Guerin | tzafrir: etherconf |
| 09:35.08 | Guerin | streuner_: that workaround.org link should be $version_in_sarge |
| 09:35.12 | Guerin | which is 2 |
| 09:35.25 | streuner_ | Guerin: thanks |
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| 09:38.27 | faber2 | whats a good program for a http get request in the console? i need per line flushing and no timeouts whatsoever. any ideas? |
| 09:38.29 | WolfMan55555 | i am running sarge, which installed at the end of last year using a snapshot of the installer... i have had no problems whatsoever with sound until now - this morning when i tried using xmms, an error message told me that my sound card device (dsp) cannot be detected. every single program using sound tells me this same error. everything worked the day before without any problems, and i havent changed any system settings & |
| 09:38.29 | WolfMan55555 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:39.02 | bob2 | faber2: netcat |
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| 09:39.28 | bob2 | WolfMan55555: what card do you have? |
| 09:39.38 | WolfMan55555 | onboard intel sound card |
| 09:39.40 | QUACH-VU | ... /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found <--- how can i install this into my server debian? |
| 09:39.50 | faber2 | bob2: i am not familiar with netcat. what are the options for a standard http port 80 request? |
| 09:39.52 | WolfMan55555 | bob2: i used the default sound module |
| 09:40.03 | bob2 | faber2: it has a manpage |
| 09:40.11 | bob2 | WolfMan55555: there is no default sound module |
| 09:40.12 | streuner_ | QUACH-VU: in short you CAN't |
| 09:40.18 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: don't run sarge binaries on woody |
| 09:40.44 | WolfMan55555 | bob2: nvm im clumsy with modules |
| 09:40.58 | bob2 | WolfMan55555: what card do you have? |
| 09:40.59 | QUACH-VU | i run unreal IRCd 3.2.3 on debian and there is such error |
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| 09:41.06 | bob2 | QUACH-VU: use a less shit ircd |
| 09:41.15 | QUACH-VU | :) |
| 09:41.20 | directhex|work | use an ircd supplied in debian? |
| 09:41.22 | tzafrir | Guerin, thanks :-) |
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| 09:41.27 | directhex|work | or compile one for woody? |
| 09:41.35 | WolfMan55555 | bob2: what i meant is that the installer detected my sound card - its an integrated soundcard on my intel celeron motherboard - i dont have detailed sound card specs |
| 09:41.37 | directhex|work | or find a woody .deb on the intarweb? |
| 09:41.46 | QUACH-VU | ok thx |
| 09:41.48 | faber2 | bob2: i need to pass an uri, can netcat do thta? i dont see anything in the manpage |
| 09:42.02 | bob2 | faber2: no, of course not, you need to construct the request yourself |
| 09:42.11 | bob2 | faber2: maybe curl or wget are what you want |
| 09:42.14 | bob2 | or HEAD from libwww-perl |
| 09:42.51 | lomba2 | I NEED INSTALL DEBAIN IN POWERPC POWER3 CAN GIVE HOW TO DO THAT |
| 09:42.51 | bob2 | wow, unreal ircd is still doing releases |
| 09:42.53 | bob2 | OMG LOLXOR |
| 09:43.09 | bob2 | lomba2: a) don't use caps, b) /msg dpkg ig |
| 09:43.35 | directhex|work | #debian-ppc isn't it? |
| 09:43.39 | resiak | !ppc |
| 09:43.40 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 09:43.41 | WolfMan55555 | bob2: what puzzles me the most is that i have not changed any system settings and havent changed any of my packages for about 5 days, and it worked yesterday, but not today |
| 09:43.42 | resiak | dpkg: No. |
| 09:43.42 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 09:43.47 | streuner_ | lomba2: why do you didn't join #debian-br? |
| 09:43.49 | resiak | directhex|work: No -. |
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| 09:44.17 | bob2 | WolfMan55555: have you rebooted since the last time you upgraded? |
| 09:44.26 | WolfMan55555 | bob2: plenty of times |
| 09:44.33 | WolfMan55555 | bob2: ive halted as well |
| 09:44.40 | WolfMan55555 | bob2: oh i got something |
| 09:44.57 | WolfMan55555 | bob2: i noticed that a program called "modprobe" runs everytime i try to use my sound card |
| 09:45.08 | bob2 | and? |
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| 09:45.11 | jerome | I have a strange problem with vim on one of my deb box : ":set acd" doesn't work on ONE box, which is the only one that doesn't have X installed. "autochdir" is available only only with netbeans or sun studio compile options, might that be related ? |
| 09:45.13 | WolfMan55555 | bob2: it runs for a short time and quits |
| 09:45.25 | bob2 | WolfMan55555: yes, it should be loading the module |
| 09:45.27 | WolfMan55555 | bob2: no output, since it isnt attached to any console |
| 09:45.40 | WolfMan55555 | bob: ive checked my logs for errors as well but nothing |
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| 09:45.52 | bob2 | what module is it trying to load? |
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| 09:46.12 | directhex|work | WolfMan55555, kern.log ? |
| 09:46.20 | liable | Ive got a work email address, but cant send emails unless I use their connection, can I do that without using the connection |
| 09:46.24 | WolfMan55555 | bob2: it don't know - i only know that it is running by using 'top' |
| 09:46.35 | WolfMan55555 | directhex|work: ill double check |
| 09:46.39 | liable | hah, I just wrote yousing :) |
| 09:46.58 | valdyn | liable: ask your work admin |
| 09:47.03 | resiak | liable: If they're stopping you, ask them what you can do. |
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| 09:47.29 | valdyn | liable: or the admin of the relay you are trying to send mail thru right now |
| 09:47.33 | WolfMan55555 | directhex|work: nothing about dsp, mixer or sound |
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| 09:48.42 | directhex|work | WolfMan55555, but the module it would be trying to load would be snd-intel8x0 or i810_audio |
| 09:48.48 | liable | hmm, ok, thanks |
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| 09:49.15 | valdyn | liable: what you are experiencing is usual spam protection.. |
| 09:49.39 | e2e | Hi, i have a problem with usb ext disk. dmesg shows this after i plud my disk: scsi5 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 09:49.39 | e2e | usb-storage: device found at 8 |
| 09:49.39 | e2e | usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
| 09:49.39 | e2e | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.39 | e2e | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:50.05 | WolfMan55555 | directhex|work: absolutely nothing in the logs about it |
| 09:50.06 | e2e | ooh, sory |
| 09:50.17 | WolfMan55555 | e2e: paste in #flood |
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| 09:50.42 | streuner_ | e2e: and what's the problem? |
| 09:51.01 | nydust | where do i get a list of supported printers? |
| 09:51.03 | e2e | streuner_, There is no /dev/sd* devices |
| 09:51.27 | e2e | streuner_, So, i can't mount it |
| 09:51.27 | streuner_ | e2e: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 09:51.38 | WolfMan55555 | i am completely lost here... there is no reason for it not to work |
| 09:51.44 | valdyn | nydust: at http://localhost:631/ if you are using cups |
| 09:51.45 | WolfMan55555 | well, none that i could think of |
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| 09:52.17 | xsquared | hi, i am having a bit of trouble with postfix. I can't connect to port 25. I've checked if mail.log caught anything (it didn't) and i have no idea what is wrong. What else would cause no connection? |
| 09:52.20 | e2e | streuner_, Sorry, but it's my home box, and i'm at work now |
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| 09:52.37 | bob2 | xsquared: did you configure it to listen on external interfaces? |
| 09:52.40 | streuner_ | e2e: so you have no access? |
| 09:52.43 | bob2 | do you have a broken firewall? |
| 09:52.51 | bob2 | did you do basic network troubleshooting? |
| 09:52.59 | WolfMan55555 | bob2: nvm thanks anyway |
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| 09:53.04 | WolfMan55555 | directhex|work: nvm thanks anyway |
| 09:53.04 | xsquared | yes and no |
| 09:53.10 | streuner_ | e2e: install ssh on your homebox |
| 09:53.11 | e2e | streuner_, No, especially i have no internet connection at home these days |
| 09:53.14 | xsquared | what do you mean by network troubleshooting? |
| 09:53.30 | bob2 | xsquared: all the obvious simple things |
| 09:53.38 | bob2 | since your question is massively incomplete |
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| 09:53.45 | streuner_ | e2e: ok, use cat /proc/scsi/scsi, if you get no entries, just modprobe ide-scsi |
| 09:53.47 | bob2 | can you connect to localhost:25 on the server itself? |
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| 09:53.56 | bob2 | can you connect to interface:25? |
| 09:54.02 | xsquared | bob2: nope |
| 09:54.13 | bob2 | ... |
| 09:54.15 | xsquared | bob2: nor localhost:25 |
| 09:54.18 | e2e | streuner_, ok i'll try that, thanks |
| 09:54.26 | valdyn | xsquared: like "telnet localhost 25" |
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| 09:54.30 | bob2 | xsquared: then see what iptables says |
| 09:55.05 | streuner_ | e2e: the command to mount it would prolly: mount -t vfat /dev/sda(1) /somewhere |
| 09:56.03 | xsquared | bob2: where is the log for that? |
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| 09:56.15 | e2e | streuner_, yes i know that, i was using it till i configured my own kernel |
| 09:56.15 | bob2 | xsquared: iptables -L -v -n |
| 09:57.00 | streuner_ | e2e: DON'T WHINE here, if that doesn't work then |
| 09:57.06 | streuner_ | :-) |
| 09:57.07 | e2e | streuner_, Now it doesn't work, as i said there is no /dev/sd* device files |
| 09:57.30 | streuner_ | e2e: USE an OFFICIAL kernel THEN |
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| 09:58.05 | SlayerXP | hmm |
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| 09:58.37 | directhex|work | !debian kernel image |
| 09:58.38 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 09:59.08 | liable | valdyn: if I set up my own mail server, can I use that email address (my work one) to send emails, or does it only work from their address |
| 09:59.34 | streuner_ | liable: no |
| 09:59.36 | e2e | streuner_, But i uıse debian, your mean "We don't help about non-debian packages here" |
| 09:59.43 | streuner_ | liable: ask your work-admin |
| 10:00.05 | valdyn | liable: it will work to some extent, but dialup mailservers get high spam rankings or get completely denied by destination, so sending mail will fail alot |
| 10:00.07 | drac | dpkg: i love you |
| 10:00.08 | dpkg | The feeling's not mutual |
| 10:00.12 | drac | 8) |
| 10:00.20 | icenfaust | ;) |
| 10:00.31 | liable | streuner_: ok, cheers, some reason my head cant understand all the email howtos ive read |
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| 10:01.06 | liable | valdyn: oh, ok, didnt know that either |
| 10:01.06 | streuner_ | liable: you don't learn that in one day |
| 10:01.25 | liable | streuner_: no shit, even months it seems |
| 10:02.17 | valdyn | liable: use something like gmail and forward all mail to work, or get mail w/ pop3, set your Reply-To to work mail etc |
| 10:02.52 | Sonderblade | when i do "apt-get install xfce4-taskbar" apt says package xfce4-taskbar not found, what am I doing wrong? |
| 10:02.53 | directhex|work | e2e, your problem is of your own creation. you wasted peoples' time by not stating earlier that you've made a non-functional kernel |
| 10:03.03 | directhex|work | Sonderblade, which version of debian? |
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| 10:03.09 | Sonderblade | directhex|work, testing |
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| 10:03.23 | chr1s | Hi |
| 10:03.40 | chr1s | is there a package that enables auto-completion for apt-get? |
| 10:03.52 | umbop | hey guys, just wondering what exactly is L cache and D cache? |
| 10:04.08 | directhex|work | Sonderblade, xfce4-utils package |
| 10:05.08 | Sonderblade | directhex|work, does that package replace xfce4-taskbar? |
| 10:05.51 | valdyn | chr1s: its enabled for me, you probably just have to uncomment the appropriate lines in ~/.bashrc |
| 10:06.26 | directhex|work | Sonderblade, it's the package on here which contains the xftaskbar4 binary |
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| 10:07.48 | liable | chr1s: guess you could just use aptitude |
| 10:07.57 | ^rob^ | how can i tell to aptitude or apt-get that package phpmyadmin to never update it ? |
| 10:08.06 | e2e | directhex|work, mine own creation or not, there is a problem and my searchs turned some pages discussed udev or hotplug, so i coulnd't recognize what was the problem exactly |
| 10:08.09 | ^rob^ | is there a ignore list or something |
| 10:08.25 | streuner_ | ^rob^: /msg dpkg hold |
| 10:08.30 | ^rob^ | tty |
| 10:09.33 | streuner_ | e2e: PAY Attention when people tell you |
| 10:09.44 | streuner_ | e2e: scroll up |
| 10:09.55 | streuner_ | e2e: and apt-get remove udev |
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| 10:11.17 | chr1s | is there a way to upgrade every package? |
| 10:11.17 | e2e | streuner_, I really think before writing this channel, but sometimes there is no other choices |
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| 10:12.01 | e2e | chr1s, apt-get upgrade do that |
| 10:12.20 | aidan | can someone help me to configure my nat/masq server? please... |
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| 10:12.48 | aidan | i'm doing: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward... but dosn't work :/ |
| 10:13.21 | chr1s | e2e: I thought so, but I couldn't believe it was that simple. thanks. |
| 10:13.28 | SlayerXP | !doesn't work |
| 10:13.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 10:13.59 | e2e | chr1s, Yes it's simple like that |
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| 10:15.19 | streuner_ | e2e: no need for udev |
| 10:15.35 | streuner_ | e2e: in order to get access |
| 10:15.45 | streuner_ | ... |
| 10:16.16 | e2e | streuner_, Ok, thanks again, i'll ty it too |
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| 10:17.13 | faber2 | can i get strace to print full data rather then appending cut strings with "..." ? |
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| 10:19.28 | xsquared | Someone, can you please look in #flood for a sec |
| 10:20.17 | streuner_ | e2e: are you learn-resistent? |
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| 10:20.27 | shining_ | xsquared: maybe if you tell what it's first |
| 10:20.45 | xsquared | shining_: is it suppose to do that |
| 10:20.56 | xsquared | shining_: send a dhcp request every second? |
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| 10:21.09 | valdyn | xsquared: every 30 seconds |
| 10:21.34 | greister | how to see a mount of the directory in Debian? |
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| 10:21.44 | e2e | streuner_, As i understand correctly leran-resistant yes ireally want to learn my box, debian |
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| 10:23.05 | e2e | greenfly, mount |
| 10:23.33 | greister | how to display the amount of the directory in Debian? |
| 10:23.37 | Skiver | hi, how can i find wma plugin for xmms. |
| 10:23.38 | e2e | greenfly, sory |
| 10:23.44 | e2e | greister, mount |
| 10:24.01 | streuner_ | Skiver: google? |
| 10:24.36 | e2e | greister, du -sh dir_name |
| 10:25.39 | valdyn | xsquared: look for lease time in your dhcp clients and your dhcp servers configuration |
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| 10:26.54 | ajs | Hi. Anybody experienced a kernel oops after probing devices with ATIXP IDE chipset, recent debian unstable? |
| 10:27.28 | streuner_ | ajs: what does BTS say? |
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| 10:29.07 | ajs | streuner_, nothing, as far as I can see. |
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| 10:29.44 | ajs | I'm using netinst, only after the reboot do I have problems (after loading chipset driver from initrd). |
| 10:30.07 | streuner_ | ajs: #debian-boot |
| 10:30.25 | streuner_ | ajs: if you using d-i |
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| 10:32.10 | faber2 | whats the max filesize on a recent ext3 ? |
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| 10:32.47 | streuner_ | 2 TB, IIRC |
| 10:32.50 | ajs | To be honest, I need this fixed asap. Does anybody know if it's possible to override the hardware detection in initrd? I'd like to use ide-generic instead of whatever it's loading. |
| 10:33.18 | tarzeau | faber2: depends on arch and inode size |
| 10:33.20 | jcb | in /usr/src/linux/include/linux/limits.h i can specify how many files each process is allowed to have open at once. is it possible to change this value at runtime? |
| 10:33.35 | Sonderblade | how do i install firefox? |
| 10:33.50 | streuner_ | !find mozilla-firefox |
| 10:33.53 | tarzeau | Sonderblade: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 10:33.56 | faber2 | tarzeau: x86. how do i find out about the inode size? |
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| 10:34.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mozilla-firefox' (3): (/usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Internet/mozilla-firefox.desktop) in kde/kappfinder ;; (/usr/share/doc/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-firefox.js.tmpl) in mail/mozilla-thunderbird ;; (/usr/bin/mozilla-firefox, /usr/lib/menu/mozilla-firefox, /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc) in web/mozilla-firefox. |
| 10:34.17 | tarzeau | faber2: see /usr/src/linux/Documentation |
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| 10:34.33 | Sonderblade | thanks |
| 10:35.07 | faber2 | tarzeau: no such file |
| 10:35.34 | faber2 | tarzeau: i am on a unstable debian on x86. standard install. |
| 10:35.35 | Gnea | ajs: mount the image file, gank the .config (config.gz?) from it and compile a new kernel for it based off of that |
| 10:35.36 | xsquared | is there a way to reinstall any missing files from a package? |
| 10:35.52 | Gnea | ajs: just take out the host that it's trying to use |
| 10:35.58 | streuner_ | xsquared: apt-get --reinstall package |
| 10:35.59 | tarzeau | faber2: well check your kernel documentation then |
| 10:36.04 | tarzeau | faber2: if it's linux, www.kernel.org |
| 10:36.05 | streuner_ | xsquared: apt-get --reinstall install package |
| 10:36.13 | tarzeau | faber2: uname -a will give you details what exactly |
| 10:36.18 | Gnea | faber2: there's a reason it's called 'unstable' |
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| 10:36.25 | drac | I have ~700 files, and all their names are randomly fucked, spaces and stuff. These files are originally from windows, so that's why. Is there a file manager, or something, that's really good on renaming files, just using keyboard? Like, move on file, it allows you to hit a key, and renaming starts, enter, to next file, hit a key, renaming starts.. ? |
| 10:36.42 | xsquared | streuner_: will that get rid of the files already installed? |
| 10:36.46 | jm_ | drac: use rename or mmv |
| 10:36.55 | Gnea | drac: how is it gonna know what to rename the files TO? |
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| 10:37.35 | streuner_ | xsquared: it will overwrote the existing files |
| 10:37.38 | drac | Gnea: Err, it lets me to input new file name. Like [Fscked äöå File with spaces.xxx] -> [not_so_fscked_anymore.xxx] .. |
| 10:37.43 | dns21 | drac: you could probably write a shell script to do that |
| 10:37.52 | xsquared | streuner_: well i gotta copy them then |
| 10:38.08 | ajs | Gnea, I'm quite prepared to compile my own kernel once it's finished installing; the flaw with a two-stage net install is that the second stage seems to be more customised to your hardware than the first, and it's failing in the second stage. Short of pulling out the harddisk, I'm not sure what to do. |
| 10:38.18 | Gnea | drac: makes sense, so you need to put the actual name of each file then? you'll be sitting there a LONG time |
| 10:38.46 | drac | Gnea: I know, it's sad. But I have to do it, browsing these files are essential and currectly really annoying. |
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| 10:38.55 | Gnea | ajs: what's the exact error you're encountering? |
| 10:39.09 | ajs | Gnea, hda: Maxtor.. blah blah then immediately a kernel oops. |
| 10:39.13 | Gnea | drac: are they on the original filesystem or did you move them over? |
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| 10:39.18 | drac | dns21, jm: Yes, will do. Using mv or rename, and some sort of script. *takes google and man pages in hand* |
| 10:39.32 | drac | Gnea: I moved from from NTFS to XFS. |
| 10:39.43 | Gnea | ajs: that's not very descriptive... what kernel are you using and what base installation? woody/sarge/sid? |
| 10:40.07 | Gnea | drac: so what did you do with the files themselves? |
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| 10:40.21 | umbop | why not just strip any alaphnumerics from each filename? |
| 10:40.29 | umbop | none alphanumerics |
| 10:40.29 | melita | where can i download this from File (3.26) |
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| 10:41.12 | drac | Gnea: They are mixed files, from my computer, at my parents house. Documents, mp3s.. I just copied them from mnt, umounted, mkfs.xfs'd it. |
| 10:41.31 | drac | Like converting the old hdd to new filesystem, with old files. |
| 10:41.52 | Gnea | drac: so basically you backed the files up, made a new FS on there and copied them back now their names are all messed up? |
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| 10:42.14 | drac | Gnea: No, they we're messed up also before, but it didn't bother on fscking windoze. |
| 10:42.23 | drac | No i've started to hate SPACES. |
| 10:42.25 | drac | And åäö |
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| 10:42.40 | drac | And those mixed names, there are more. |
| 10:42.48 | drac | I just want them organized :) |
| 10:42.58 | Gnea | drac: so what you're saying is is that you used a standard NTFS kernel module instead of a newer, more specialized module that wouldn't bork the filenames? |
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| 10:43.17 | drac | Gnea: I used ntfs kernel module from 2.6.12-rc3 |
| 10:43.33 | dns21 | drac: that happens with linux... I don't like caps either... except in certain situations... |
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| 10:44.16 | Gnea | drac: okay well that's a seriously new kernel, the only thing you can do is sit there and rename files. go order a pizza or something |
| 10:44.25 | drac | :P |
| 10:44.55 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:45.16 | Gnea | i know, probably what you didn't want to hear, but hey, ntfs is a beotch |
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| 10:47.00 | drac | You don't have to tell me, gotta make sure you don't get anything wrong, it's hdd from my parents old computer, i've only used FAT32, HPFS and now linux filesystems. |
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| 10:47.15 | Gnea | hehe |
| 10:47.19 | Gnea | good ol' os/2 |
| 10:47.26 | drac | Yeah, Go Team OS/2 :) |
| 10:48.03 | drac | I have one in my closet 8) |
| 10:48.11 | Gnea | hrm |
| 10:48.20 | drac | I guess that would be warez to make .iso out of it? |
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| 10:48.41 | directhex|work | yes, it would |
| 10:48.42 | Gnea | i dunno man, does ibm still make money off that? |
| 10:48.48 | drac | Ok, damn. |
| 10:50.15 | onre | i think os/2 isn't even supported by them anymore. |
| 10:50.20 | Jon | anyone know who runs the cafepress debian shop? |
| 10:50.26 | onre | so legally it'd be warez but more like 'abandonware' :P |
| 10:51.14 | directhex|work | abandomwarez |
| 10:51.26 | directhex|work | just because it's not actively sold anymore, doesn't make it legal to share it |
| 10:51.35 | onre | oh, it is still supported 'til end of 2006 |
| 10:51.47 | onre | that's why i said it'd be 'warez' legally |
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| 10:54.35 | shining | does anyone already get a linux virus ? |
| 10:54.55 | tarzeau | shining: no |
| 10:55.01 | Gnea | not this year... |
| 10:55.07 | xsquared | shining: nope |
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| 10:55.17 | hettar | I run wine for all my virii |
| 10:55.20 | shining | Gnea: it means you did in the past? |
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| 10:55.23 | tarzeau | shining: try write one: http://www.lwfug.org/~abartoli/virus-writing-HOWTO/_html/ |
| 10:55.25 | shining | hettar: :) |
| 10:55.53 | tarzeau | shining: if you're successfull (no software bug, and no root users) i'll send you a gnustep live cd and a block of swiss chocolate |
| 10:55.57 | Gnea | shining: one of my servers did, several years ago... some low-level shit thru sendmail |
| 10:56.03 | adjacent | shining: only virus i got was linux. it started on my router, then it took over my desktop, now its spread to my laptop and meda pc! |
| 10:56.04 | shining | tarzeau: clamav have a lot |
| 10:56.08 | hettar | hmmmm swiss chocolate |
| 10:56.14 | tarzeau | shining: that's not virus that run on linux |
| 10:56.39 | Sonderblade | why doesn't "apt-get install xfce4-terminal" work for me? |
| 10:56.48 | shining | tarzeau: through wine? |
| 10:56.49 | tarzeau | Sonderblade: what does it say? |
| 10:56.54 | tarzeau | shining: no that's not native |
| 10:56.55 | Sonderblade | tarzeau, package not found |
| 10:57.03 | tarzeau | shining: same like dosbox or other kind of emulators |
| 10:57.08 | tarzeau | Sonderblade: you're on sid? |
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| 10:57.45 | hettar | isn't clamav just so you can scan emails etc on linux machines. like for windows virii ? |
| 10:57.50 | Sonderblade | tarzeau: not sure.. sarge and testing i think |
| 10:58.01 | tarzeau | Sonderblade: check packages.debian.org |
| 10:58.07 | shining | adjacent: yes, thats right :) |
| 10:58.10 | Gnea | hettar: clamav is a virus scanner |
| 10:58.11 | SlayerXP | hettar: the plural of virus is "viruses". |
| 10:58.12 | tarzeau | Sonderblade: this happens with testing .. |
| 10:58.33 | hettar | SlayerXP: yeah but virii sounds better :-) |
| 10:58.36 | Gnea | virii is to virus that pwn is to own |
| 10:58.43 | Gnea | and u is to you |
| 10:58.44 | SlayerXP | hettar: no, it sounds like you're an ill-educated moron. |
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| 10:58.47 | Gnea | and and |
| 10:58.48 | Gnea | yeah |
| 10:59.03 | Gnea | sh-2.05b# base-config |
| 10:59.03 | Gnea | Terminated |
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| 10:59.16 | hettar | SlayerXP: Then I would guess that it is giving the wrong impression |
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| 10:59.29 | taddeus | morning |
| 10:59.56 | SlayerXP | hettar: you're not even using the right language. |
| 11:00.44 | Gnea | SlayerXP: my elite typing skills fornicate your mother abruptly in a dark alley of mist and vegetables! :) |
| 11:00.55 | SlayerXP | hettar: you're attempting to use latin grammar to pluralise an english word. the correct spelling would be "viri" which is the latin plural of "man" |
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| 11:01.48 | Gnea | SlayerXP: so that could possibly be a derivative of "man i" or "man eye" or "eye of man"? |
| 11:01.58 | Gnea | or "I am a man." |
| 11:02.09 | mr_claus | hi, i insert a pcmcia card and /var/lib/stab didn't change but cardctl info gives me informations about the card |
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| 11:02.41 | SlayerXP | Gnea: or "I'm a clueless idiot who thinks using 'virii' makes me look cool" |
| 11:02.41 | mr_claus | now the debian pcmcia scripts are not working because /var/run/stab tell me socket 1 is empty |
| 11:02.56 | mr_claus | i mean /var/run/stab and not /var/lib/stab of course |
| 11:03.00 | Gnea | mr_claus: did it load a module? |
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| 11:03.57 | mr_claus | Gnea: yes |
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| 11:04.24 | mr_claus | Gnea: i checked /etc/pcmcia/config and i put in the config parts but nothing changed |
| 11:04.25 | Gnea | mr_claus: been awhile since i ran a laptop.. not sure |
| 11:04.45 | Gnea | mr_claus: that a nic or..? |
| 11:04.54 | mr_claus | Gnea: it's a wireless nic |
| 11:04.59 | Gnea | SlayerXP: you are the master of the virii. :) |
| 11:05.10 | Gnea | mr_claus: what kind? |
| 11:05.35 | taddeus | i'm going to help a friend that want to install Debian on his PC, is it possible to install Sid directly from official cd ? Is possible to boot directly with a new kernel ? His hw it's P4 3,4 ghz 2 gb ram, ati video, 2 hd (1 ide - sata 1 scsi) , |
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| 11:06.06 | mr_claus | Gnea: its a realtek 8531R which use the chip r8180 |
| 11:06.11 | Gnea | taddeus: just make sure you use a 2.6 kernel |
| 11:06.29 | mr_claus | Gnea: the card is a longshine and i use the drivers of http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:06.48 | shining | taddeus: it possible with a net install |
| 11:06.52 | Gnea | mr_claus: does it actually show up as a device with ip a or ifconfig? |
| 11:06.53 | taddeus | Gnea: which option, wich cd should i use ? first cd its ok ? |
| 11:07.16 | mr_claus | Gnea: yes, i can use iwconfig i can scan the network if i configure it manually |
| 11:07.20 | Gnea | taddeus: i don't know about sid, it was broken last i tried months ago.. i would recommend sarge and upgrade |
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| 11:07.39 | mr_claus | Gnea: but the scripts are not working because /var/run/stab is showing an empty slot all the time |
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| 11:07.52 | Gnea | mr_claus: what should /var/run/stab contain? |
| 11:08.14 | taddeus | Gnea: ok, can boot with bf26 option ? |
| 11:08.22 | Gnea | taddeus: should be fine |
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| 11:08.28 | taddeus | ok, tnx |
| 11:08.30 | yoc | help |
| 11:08.32 | Gnea | np gl |
| 11:08.39 | antony | how do i stop video card kernel modules loading? i have a problem with the matroxfb modules, added them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, but they still load |
| 11:08.39 | Gnea | yoc: no |
| 11:08.54 | yoc | find . -name *.orig -exec rm <~~ what's wrong with it? |
| 11:09.00 | Gnea | antony: are they in /etc/modules too? |
| 11:09.05 | antony | infact, the hotplug startup script specifically says that it's ignoring the pci display device |
| 11:09.09 | antony | Gnea: no |
| 11:09.15 | yoc | find: missing argument to `-exec' |
| 11:09.15 | yoc | help |
| 11:09.18 | mr_claus | Gnea: it should contain informations about the inserted card |
| 11:09.37 | Gnea | antony: lsmod | grep matroxfb see what other modules it associates itself with, add those to blacklist and restart |
| 11:09.56 | antony | Gnea: been there, done that :) |
| 11:10.14 | Gnea | antony: even after a reboot? are you trying to load X? |
| 11:10.29 | antony | Gnea: yes and no |
| 11:10.32 | Gnea | mr_claus: what writes to it? |
| 11:10.55 | Gnea | yoc: for i in `find . -name "*.orig"`; do j=`echo $i`; rm "$j"; done |
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| 11:11.08 | yoc | Gnea, i want to use -exec |
| 11:11.12 | Gnea | yoc: not as elegant but works |
| 11:11.15 | mr_claus | Gnea: if i start pcmcia services the file /var/run/stab will be created |
| 11:11.18 | Gnea | hrm |
| 11:11.21 | mr_claus | Gnea: the socket is shown as empty |
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| 11:11.25 | Gnea | yoc: dunno :/ |
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| 11:11.40 | Gnea | mr_claus: do you have other pcmcia card to try this with? |
| 11:11.49 | mr_claus | Gnea: after inserting a card the socket is always empty but cardctl ident and cardctl info show me informations about the card |
| 11:11.51 | yoc | !find |
| 11:12.02 | mr_claus | Gnea: i will see if i can find one |
| 11:12.21 | Gnea | mr_claus: is the info cardctl provides the same as should be in /var/run/stab ? |
| 11:12.51 | liable | antony: tried blacklisting in discover too? |
| 11:13.34 | mr_claus | Gnea: i dont know if it should be exactly the same but i think so yes |
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| 11:13.42 | mr_claus | Gnea: other card, same chipset, same problem |
| 11:14.07 | yoc | anyone help me with find(1) -exec ? |
| 11:14.52 | Gnea | yoc: try -ok |
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| 11:15.29 | yoc | Gnea, find: missing argument to `-ok' |
| 11:15.48 | Gnea | yoc: pinfo find |
| 11:16.09 | liable | yoc: full path maybe? wild guess |
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| 11:16.40 | quitte | how can i enable a user to restart postfix without him being able to change the initscript? |
| 11:17.07 | yoc | liable, find: missing argument to `-exec' |
| 11:17.27 | PerfDave | quitte: Write a wrapper script to restart the daemon, give the user access to that with sudo? |
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| 11:18.15 | liable | yoc: -exec /bin/rm? |
| 11:18.33 | quitte | PerfDave: so giving sudo access for the init script is ok? perfect. |
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| 11:19.08 | yoc | liable, no |
| 11:19.27 | liable | yoc: bugger :) |
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| 11:20.03 | yoc | liable, find . -name *.orig -exec \"/bin/ls {}; \" |
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| 11:20.59 | Gnea | quitte: chown root.adm /etc/init.d/postfix && addgroup --gid 4 <user> |
| 11:22.17 | quitte | Gnea: sounds like a proper way. but i do not understand it. can you explain that some? |
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| 11:22.51 | quitte | Gnea: what's special about the adm group? |
| 11:23.12 | Gnea | quitte: er sorry, i'm wrong |
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| 11:23.30 | quitte | ok |
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| 11:24.01 | Gnea | quitte: what user does postfix run as again? |
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| 11:24.25 | Gnea | bleh, sarge on sparc32 has a ways to go... |
| 11:24.35 | Gnea | at least it boots |
| 11:24.50 | quitte | parts of it as root. most postfix |
| 11:24.53 | PerfDave | sparc32? |
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| 11:24.59 | Gnea | aye |
| 11:25.05 | Gnea | doing a netinstall |
| 11:25.12 | umbop | hmm sparc32, what kind of architecture is that? |
| 11:25.24 | quitte | ok problem solved with sudo |
| 11:25.30 | directhex|work | erm... it's a 32 bit sparc ¬_¬ |
| 11:25.30 | Gnea | this one's a sun4m |
| 11:25.35 | umbop | lol |
| 11:25.42 | Gnea | sparcstation5 |
| 11:25.45 | tommi^ | Hi. I don't have that normal lilo menu when I boot up, I can't choose the kernel at all. I don't have the /boot/boot-menu.b file which is mentioned in the lilo.conf. Isn't that what creates the menu? How can create that file or somehow fix the problem? |
| 11:25.48 | umbop | ahh |
| 11:26.10 | Gnea | i got it to boot and install off a 2.2 on woody |
| 11:26.18 | Gnea | it simply will not boot a 2.4 kernel. |
| 11:26.26 | Gnea | 2.6 boots tho |
| 11:26.43 | Gnea | but it gets halfway through installation and says "screw you guys i'm going home" |
| 11:26.53 | Sonderblade | what is the name of the package containing the linux headers? |
| 11:27.18 | Gnea | Sonderblade: apt-cache search kernel-header |
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| 11:28.44 | Gnea | it seems to bottom out with errors regarding /dev/pts/ |
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| 11:31.07 | mr_claus | bbl |
| 11:31.13 | PerfDave | tommi^: Which version of Debian have you installed, from what? |
| 11:31.27 | tommi^ | PerfDave, unstable :D |
| 11:31.58 | tommi^ | PerfDave, I installed minimum of stable from cd and then upgraded to unstable. |
| 11:32.37 | PerfDave | tommi^: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 11:35.42 | tommi^ | PerfDave, I'm sorry, my question wasn't asked clearly. But I didn't understand the point of referring to sid faq. |
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| 11:36.12 | PerfDave | tommi^: Have you read it? |
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| 11:36.20 | plagerism | I have an old system backed up, anyway to install all packages from the old system onto a new system?? |
| 11:36.45 | directhex|work | --get-selections and --set-selections i expect |
| 11:37.00 | PerfDave | plagerism: "/msg dpkg debian clone" for one way. |
| 11:37.09 | plagerism | directhex|work, now is that apt ?? |
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| 11:37.50 | PerfDave | plagerism: What are you trying to do? Are you trying to have exactly the same packages installed, exactly the same packages installed with the same configuration, or just avoiding downloading the packages again? |
| 11:37.58 | plagerism | Okay now if I cannot boot up that old system?? |
| 11:38.24 | plagerism | I want my new install to be the same as my old install before I f'ed it up |
| 11:38.37 | tommi^ | PerfDave, Yes, maybe I bit dump but tell me your point |
| 11:38.56 | plagerism | PerfDave the first one |
| 11:39.04 | PerfDave | plagerism: Then "/msg dpkg debian clone" |
| 11:39.55 | PerfDave | Why can't you boot the old system? |
| 11:39.55 | plagerism | PerfDave, however I cannot boot the old system |
| 11:39.55 | PerfDave | plagerism: Then "/msg dpkg debian clone" |
| 11:39.55 | PerfDave | Whoops |
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| 11:39.55 | PerfDave | tommi^: It tells you (a) that Sid has bugs which can make your system unbootable and (b) what to do before you come asking for help on IRC |
| 11:40.27 | plagerism | PerfDave, long story |
| 11:40.34 | plagerism | I prefer not to tell |
| 11:40.52 | plagerism | s/embarressed/embarassed/g |
| 11:41.07 | Sonderblade | i apt-getted kernel-tree where did apt put the sources? |
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| 11:41.28 | PerfDave | plagerism: If you don't tell us, we can't help you. |
| 11:41.30 | PerfDave | FFS. |
| 11:41.51 | plagerism | lol, I screwed up a lot of packages, now it just hangs on boot |
| 11:41.53 | PerfDave | Sonderblade: "dpkg -L $package" will tell you which files are contained within a package. |
| 11:42.04 | Sonderblade | thanks |
| 11:42.08 | plagerism | Now it doesnt even resemble an operating system, cause I hacked it all up |
| 11:42.14 | PerfDave | plagerism: "screwed up"? FFS. WHAT DID YOU DO? |
| 11:42.25 | directhex|work | probably installed nvidia |
| 11:42.31 | directhex|work | or put things in /usr |
| 11:42.40 | plagerism | Shit, you want me to write you a howto on how I screwed up my system?? It doesnt boot |
| 11:42.44 | directhex|work | resiak, did you get anywhere with the d-i source? |
| 11:42.48 | directhex|work | bah |
| 11:42.50 | directhex|work | n-i |
| 11:42.59 | PerfDave | plagerism: Fine, don't tell us. |
| 11:43.09 | plagerism | I have the filesystem, it just hangs on boot |
| 11:43.18 | plagerism | So I have been peicing it back together |
| 11:43.33 | plagerism | And I was just wondering if there is a way to use the old apt files, to create new ones |
| 11:43.35 | PerfDave | plagerism: Use a different boot method then. Boot off a floppy or CD, chroot into the system. |
| 11:43.37 | drum | Hi, I did a Sarge net install and everything is fine except login/out screen has no options for session, reboot or shutdown. I can only login again. Kde login manager looks fine. ANy ideas please? |
| 11:44.21 | directhex|work | drum, using KDM and not startx? |
| 11:44.31 | directhex|work | drum, look at the kdm settings in kcontrol |
| 11:44.47 | tommi^ | PerfDave, I'm a aware of that unstable is literally unstable. Not ment for use unless you can handle it being broken. I didn't find a bug that would mention this. There was no mention of lilo intarzeau's #debian FAQ. Tell me, what am I doing wrong here. |
| 11:45.06 | PerfDave | tommi^: Well, you clearly can't handle it being broken. |
| 11:45.12 | shining | tommi^: u r using lilo |
| 11:45.27 | drum | directhex|work Ok thanks |
| 11:45.36 | tommi^ | shining, yes I am. |
| 11:45.56 | shining | tommi^: it was an answer, not a question |
| 11:46.16 | tommi^ | shining. right. |
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| 11:46.24 | shining | tommi^: do you really need lilo? |
| 11:46.27 | tommi^ | PerfDave, Does handle it mean "don't ask for help, when you have a problem"? |
| 11:46.38 | directhex|work | tommi^, what shining means is "use grub, at least you can get out of a hole with it" |
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| 11:47.02 | tommi^ | shining, It has been what I've used to this day and I haven't a bigger complaints about it. |
| 11:47.06 | shining | directhex|work: thanks :) |
| 11:47.12 | PerfDave | tommi^: No, handle it means "know how your bootloader works and how to fix it when it goes tits up" |
| 11:48.15 | tommi^ | PerfDave, Oh so handle means, "be a true geek from the beginning, never ask questions especially if you are a beginner" |
| 11:48.47 | PerfDave | tommi^: If you're a beginner, you shouldn't run a bleeding-edge branch intended for people who know what the fuck they're doing. |
| 11:48.57 | shining | tommi^: anyway you can't complain. sid is not meant for beginners |
| 11:49.02 | PerfDave | tommi^: Try Sarge. It's nice and shiny. |
| 11:49.44 | shining | bleeding edge is funny though |
| 11:49.55 | shining | I thought sid wasnt |
| 11:50.27 | PerfDave | Sid wasn't what? |
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| 11:51.06 | tommi^ | Well, I'm not a total newbie. I've been running linux for five years now. It's sad that the attitude here is what it is and learning new things isn't very easy. |
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| 11:51.48 | shining | tommi^: thats why many ppl left debian |
| 11:51.53 | PerfDave | You've been running Linux for five years and you don't know how to fix a lilo fuckup? |
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| 11:52.12 | Gnea | PerfDave: eh, he's right |
| 11:52.13 | michal__ | does anyone know how to extract a cpio archive? i tried cpio -i < file.cpio but that didn't seem to work |
| 11:52.25 | jm_ | michal__: yes, many people do |
| 11:52.31 | Gnea | just cuz someone runs it for a certain amount of time doesn't mean they're know everything |
| 11:53.23 | tommi^ | PerfDave, that is correct. |
| 11:53.51 | tommi^ | PerfDave, I would like also add that the stable which I installed didn't have a boot menu too. |
| 11:54.16 | onre | apt-get install grub and be happy. |
| 11:54.29 | PerfDave | Or reinstall with Sarge and be happy ;) |
| 11:54.37 | onre | that's even better :) |
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| 11:54.56 | PerfDave | tommi^: And it didn't occur to you to correct that before you started slapping bleeding-edge packages all over your system? Or even to mention it when you came here asking for help? |
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| 11:55.12 | tommi^ | shining, It would seem so. It isn't only that there's no new releases, but there's no good faq and documentation could be better. |
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| 11:56.21 | tommi^ | PerfDave, because I just reliazed that I don't remember seeing it. |
| 11:56.30 | tommi^ | onre, I think I will do that. |
| 11:56.48 | directhex|work | there's a badly documented second step to replacing lilo with grub |
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| 11:57.16 | Gnea | it should be: apt-get install pinfo && pinfo grub |
| 11:57.54 | shining | tommi^: I think the doc is maybe not as attractive as in other distrib, but you can find a lot of stuff |
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| 11:58.16 | directhex|work | actually, the second step is halfway through /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 11:58.58 | paolo | Hi guys! My ppp on demand sometimes dies: when finishing the ip-down script, a pppd error "tcflush failed: Input/output error" appears, and then, when demanding again the connection, I get a pppd error "tcsetattr: Invalid argument (line 964)" , and pppd dies. Anyone could explain me what is ti? |
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| 12:00.20 | Sonderblade | why doesnt the kernel-tree i apt-getted contain modversions.h? |
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| 12:01.22 | Gnea | Sonderblade: probably not the same as the kernel you're running |
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| 12:01.56 | idc | Hi people |
| 12:02.25 | Sonderblade | Gnea: it is the same kernel source |
| 12:02.34 | idc | Anyone is awake ? |
| 12:03.33 | Gnea | Sonderblade: but is it the same kernel? |
| 12:03.47 | idc | DOes anyone know how to remove ppp1 ? |
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| 12:04.08 | Gnea | | anyone (~epsilon@port-212-202-174-13.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 12:04.13 | jethro | moin |
| 12:04.18 | Sonderblade | Gnea: not sure i understand |
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| 12:04.38 | Gnea | Sonderblade: how did you obtain/install your currently running kernel? |
| 12:04.47 | idc | when i was upgrading from woody to sarge,when its asking me whether to keep the current ppp ...i select NO :( now i have 2 ppp running :( |
| 12:05.01 | idc | one is ppp0,the working one,another is ppp1 :( |
| 12:05.02 | Sonderblade | Gnea: from a cd |
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| 12:05.13 | Gnea | Sonderblade: oh ok so you didn't compile it |
| 12:05.28 | incorrect | has anyone created two bonded pairs on a single machine before? |
| 12:05.29 | Gnea | Sonderblade: and you're installing the headers from.. the internet? |
| 12:05.52 | Sonderblade | Gnea: yes, uname -r and the source in /usr/src/linux is the same |
| 12:05.54 | idc | during boot there is message say ' /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot is deprecated.please config your system to use the standard /etc/network/interfaces method . |
| 12:06.02 | idc | how do i solve it ? |
| 12:06.03 | Gnea | Sonderblade: no, that's not the same. |
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| 12:06.08 | Gnea | Sonderblade: cat /proc/version |
| 12:06.24 | lomba2 | hello |
| 12:06.30 | lomba2 | i need help |
| 12:06.32 | Sonderblade | 2.4.27-1-386 |
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| 12:06.48 | Gnea | Sonderblade: /usr/src/ contains the actual source - the source tree there must match *Exactly* the same as the kernel you're running |
| 12:07.03 | Gnea | !tell lomba2 about ask |
| 12:07.03 | lomba2 | can ive link to install debain em powerpc power3 44p |
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| 12:07.14 | directhex|work | Sonderblade, -1- kernels are insecure and unmaintained. upgrade to a -2- kernel |
| 12:07.28 | directhex|work | Sonderblade, k7 for athlon, 686 for pentium 2 or higher |
| 12:07.52 | paolo | Hi guys! Where can I get help on ppp? |
| 12:08.01 | idc | hmm |
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| 12:08.05 | Sonderblade | directhex|work: do you ahve to recompile the kernel manually? |
| 12:08.13 | lomba2 | i need install debian in my pc IBM RS6000 44P |
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| 12:08.30 | directhex|work | Sonderblade, what the hell? when did i say _THAT_? |
| 12:08.33 | petemc | lomba2: is that chrp or prep? |
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| 12:09.07 | lomba2 | I DOWNLOAD PRE |
| 12:09.07 | directhex|work | Sonderblade, apt-cache search kernel-image. pick a result and apt-get install it |
| 12:09.11 | idc | how do i remove ppp1 ? |
| 12:09.30 | lomba2 | SORRY is chrp |
| 12:09.37 | olecom | I've updated my debian system yesterdey, running `gdb emacs` gives me "Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap." and I can not run emacs under gdb any more, what's problem ? |
| 12:09.47 | petemc | lomba2: its not exactly straight forward, you need to google for your exact model number, make sure you're using right media |
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| 12:10.12 | lomba2 | ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.0_r5/powerpc/debian-30r5-powerpc-binary-1.iso |
| 12:10.14 | idc | it seems linux really has many problems in using even the basics ..hmm |
| 12:10.21 | Sonderblade | directhex|work: wow thats easy |
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| 12:10.25 | lomba2 | i download that link |
| 12:10.40 | asg | idc: no, it's just that your question is vague |
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| 12:10.44 | lomba2 | my model is 44p model 170 |
| 12:10.48 | notty | hello, anybody knows any script or program that can show me in a html file the last files uploaded on a ftp server ? |
| 12:10.55 | idc | asg, vague ? |
| 12:10.59 | Gnea | lomba2: so install it |
| 12:11.07 | lomba2 | how.. |
| 12:11.08 | directhex|work | Sonderblade, you'll need to reboot into the new kernel, obviously |
| 12:11.10 | asg | idc: yes, is ppp1 a file, some program that debian installed, that you installed? |
| 12:11.14 | asg | idc: vague |
| 12:11.16 | Gnea | lomba2: burn it to a cd, boot the cd |
| 12:11.24 | lomba2 | using cd |
| 12:11.27 | Gnea | idc: reboot |
| 12:11.31 | idc | asg, i run 'ifconfig -a' there is ppp0,and a ppp1 |
| 12:11.40 | Gnea | lomba2: yes, that's why it's an .iso |
| 12:11.47 | Sonderblade | is 2.6.8 the latest stable i686 kernel package? |
| 12:11.48 | lomba2 | the problem thet machine now is loading aix |
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| 12:11.51 | petemc | Gnea: know much about the firmware in RS6000s? |
| 12:11.55 | Gnea | idc: is there a ppp1 if you ifconfig without -a? |
| 12:12.01 | idc | ppp0 has IP is the working one,ppp1 is ...i have no idea what it is,but its there |
| 12:12.06 | lomba2 | yes now is in cd .. |
| 12:12.07 | Gnea | petemc: not a damn thing. :) |
| 12:12.10 | idc | Gnea, yea |
| 12:12.10 | directhex|work | Sonderblade, no, it's the latest testing (sarge) kernel package. 2.6.11.7 is the latest from kernel.org |
| 12:12.18 | liable | idc: remove the ppp1 lines from /etc/network interfaces |
| 12:12.19 | lomba2 | iam can boot from that cd.. |
| 12:12.23 | Gnea | idc: does it have an ip? |
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| 12:13.00 | lomba2 | that iamge is ok..ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.0_r5/powerpc/debian-30r5-powerpc-binary-1.iso |
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| 12:13.04 | idc | Gnea, i didn't have ppp1 ,but it appears right after i upgraded to sarge,during the updating i remember i ansered No when it asks whether to keep the current ppp configuration |
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| 12:13.17 | Gnea | lomba2: so boot it and install it, it's all very simple to follow the menu options |
| 12:13.19 | petemc | lomba2: why do you keep posting that link? |
| 12:13.23 | idc | Gnea, ppp0 has IP,not on ppp1 |
| 12:13.34 | Gnea | idc: do a ifconfig ppp1 down |
| 12:13.43 | Gnea | idc: and reboot see if it's still there |
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| 12:14.00 | idc | during boot,i got message says ' /etc//ppp/ppp_on_boot is deprecated,please config your system to use the standard /etc/network/interfaces method |
| 12:14.03 | lomba2 | ok..i try do that.. |
| 12:14.04 | Gnea | petemc: he thinks we're illiterate |
| 12:14.28 | Gnea | idc: yeah i saw that too the other day, pissed me off royally |
| 12:14.44 | Gnea | it added some shit to /etc/network/interfaces that didn't make any sense |
| 12:14.53 | Gnea | and then it wouldn't work |
| 12:14.54 | lomba2 | now iam using debian in my laptop...32 bits |
| 12:15.00 | Gnea | until i ran pppoeconfig |
| 12:15.01 | idc | liable, there is no such ppp1 in interfaces |
| 12:15.04 | lomba2 | that IBM is 64 bits |
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| 12:15.18 | idc | Gnea, how did you fix it anyway ? |
| 12:15.27 | Gnea | idc: i just ran the config and left it |
| 12:15.37 | idc | huh |
| 12:15.44 | Gnea | don't really care at this point |
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| 12:15.55 | Gnea | would like to fix but it's not a priority |
| 12:15.58 | idc | i did a 'pppoeconf',reboot,but its still there :( |
| 12:16.13 | Gnea | interesting |
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| 12:16.20 | incorrect | im trying to load in two bonding modules, it says i can use a -o options to achieve this, however it get an error of -o not recognised, anyone know if there is an alternative method |
| 12:16.20 | michal__ | my god i DESPISE ident |
| 12:16.24 | idc | Gnea, so you havent fixed it yet ? |
| 12:16.34 | Gnea | idc: naw, i'll look now tho |
| 12:16.41 | idc | ok |
| 12:16.47 | Gnea | hrm |
| 12:16.54 | ray99 | hi, i have a problem while installing debian from a minimal cd, i configured my network connection manually, but it can't ping servers (Host name lookup failure) how could I solve this problem? |
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| 12:16.57 | Gnea | now see this is where the whole upgrade bit confuses me |
| 12:17.05 | Gnea | i think it's a problem with the ppp maintainer(s) |
| 12:17.12 | Gnea | they foobared the whole thing |
| 12:17.17 | mikeX | ray99, maybe you left out DNS configuration? |
| 12:17.35 | Gnea | on:/etc# ll rc*/*ppp* |
| 12:17.36 | Gnea | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Oct 18 2004 rc0.d/K14ppp -> ../init.d/ppp |
| 12:17.40 | Gnea | and so on... |
| 12:17.44 | Gnea | and it's like |
| 12:17.47 | idc | Gnea, i just ran ifconfig ppp1 down, but its still there |
| 12:18.01 | interalia_ | hey. anyone here use request-tracker? |
| 12:18.12 | Gnea | if it's integrated into the interfaces script then why is it still set to initscript? |
| 12:18.31 | mikeX | ray99, for network configuration look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:18.37 | Gnea | see that's the retarded thing |
| 12:18.41 | mikeX | ray99, man interfaces should also be helpful |
| 12:18.43 | idc | Gnea, i shouldn't have answered Yes when it asks me whether i want to upgrade PPP :( |
| 12:18.57 | Gnea | idc: heh |
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| 12:19.01 | Gnea | idc: it's inevitable anyway |
| 12:19.32 | idc | Gnea, check your /etc/ppp/ ,if there is ppp_on_boot and its a symbol to ppp_on_boot.dsl ? |
| 12:19.34 | jum | hi all, I have a MSI KT-880 DELTA FSR. I plan to install debian with raid one. 2 questions i have. 1) Do i better try to get the via chipset running or is it better to use software raid. 2) is the data on the harddrives exactly on them like if i would use one HDD? or does the chipset/software write additional information on the hdd so that i cannot read the data if i decide not to use raid anymore. |
| 12:19.46 | Gnea | idc: it used to be |
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| 12:19.53 | idc | oh |
| 12:20.03 | idc | hmm |
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| 12:20.13 | Gnea | ok now this is odd |
| 12:20.24 | Gnea | idc: have you read /etc/init.d/ppp? |
| 12:20.31 | idc | how do i remove it :( |
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| 12:20.35 | idc | let me chck |
| 12:21.03 | ray99 | mikeX /etc/network/interfaces the whole directory doesn't exist, /etc/resolv.conf (does exist) the DNS is set fine, also I can't ping my router (ping -c 3 192.168.1.1) it says: Network is unreachable / pinging google says Host name lookup failure |
| 12:21.11 | mikeX | jum, hardware raid should be faster i suppose |
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| 12:21.17 | Gnea | idc: in the start) section it tries to start it anyway but then it doesn't actually start it for me |
| 12:21.19 | ray99 | mikeX /etc/resolv.conf looks fine |
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| 12:21.28 | petemc | ray99: interfaces is a file in /etc/network/ |
| 12:21.43 | idc | Gnea, in /etc/init.d/ppp, it says ' /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot is deprecated. Please configure your system to use the standard /etc/network/interfaces method' |
| 12:21.46 | Gnea | ray99: how do you know if it looks fine if dns doesn't work? |
| 12:21.50 | mikeX | ray99, i assume 'ifconfig' lists your interface? |
| 12:22.04 | Gnea | idc: yes, but then read on below that |
| 12:22.10 | jum | miktex, the speed isn't the issue. it should be safe |
| 12:23.22 | interalia_ | ok well let me give this a shot. my apache2 under unstable is chewing up seemingly infinite RAM, now that I've installed request-tracker |
| 12:23.38 | S4nD3r_ | I have a problem using GNOME |
| 12:23.42 | interalia_ | I'm sure I've done something wrong, I just have no idea what it is. any hints? |
| 12:23.43 | idc | Gnea, that is some programming thing which i dont understand there |
| 12:23.43 | S4nD3r_ | My menu is crazy |
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| 12:23.44 | mikeX | jum, well I don't see why it shouldn't be safe... I'm no expert on RAID but it wouldn't make sense if the hardware controller did something different than the software one |
| 12:24.25 | ray99 | Gnea with 'nano-tiny /etc/resolv.conf' I can see that my namserver is added: nameserver 194.134.5.5 , petemc yes I know, but the directory /etc/network doesn't exist so there really isn't a file in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:24.25 | Gnea | idc: i know it's fucking retarded |
| 12:24.25 | mikeX | jum, of course if the driver is buggy then you have a problem, but that is a 'linux kernel' issue |
| 12:24.26 | Gnea | auto myisp |
| 12:24.26 | Gnea | hello? 'myisp' isn't a fucking interface |
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| 12:24.31 | Gnea | who wrote this crap... |
| 12:24.45 | Gnea | Maintainer: Marco d'Itri <md@linux.it> |
| 12:24.55 | idc | hmm |
| 12:24.59 | Gnea | well, that's who did it |
| 12:25.02 | Gnea | complain to him |
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| 12:25.04 | mikeX | S4nD3r_, you could be a bit more specific |
| 12:25.05 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:25.11 | ray99 | mikeX ifconfig shows only my 'lo', ifconfig eth0 shows the settings which I have entered manually |
| 12:25.13 | idc | Gnea, can you do 'ifconfig ppp1 down' ? i did,but its still there |
| 12:25.23 | mikeX | ray99, try 'ifup eth0' |
| 12:25.27 | Gnea | idc: i never had a ppp1 show up |
| 12:25.38 | idc | Gnea, huh ? |
| 12:25.45 | jum | miktex, is the data then on the two hdds exactly like it would be one hdd. Can I read the data if the system goes dead and I have to install the hdds in a different pc. |
| 12:25.54 | idc | i tought you are having the same problem as mine |
| 12:25.55 | Gnea | idc: ppp1 never existed for me. |
| 12:26.04 | Gnea | not exactly the same |
| 12:26.15 | Gnea | see, this makes more sense: |
| 12:26.17 | idc | ok |
| 12:26.18 | Gnea | auto eth0 |
| 12:26.19 | Gnea | iface eth0 inet ppp |
| 12:26.30 | idc | yeah saw that,so |
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| 12:27.03 | idc | Gnea, what does 'deprecated' mean ? |
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| 12:27.16 | mikeX | jum, what does raid 1 do again? 2 copies of the same data? |
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| 12:27.33 | Gnea | idc: "not in use" "old and unused" "not supported anymore" |
| 12:27.42 | Gnea | idc: "replaced" |
| 12:27.46 | idc | Gnea, thanks |
| 12:27.49 | anabain | does anyone use aic7xxx scsi driver? |
| 12:27.51 | Gnea | "evolved" :) |
| 12:27.51 | mikeX | idc, indeed, i cannot find it in the dictionary |
| 12:27.52 | ray99 | mikeX nope same problem |
| 12:27.53 | onre | or "still supported but might go unsupported any moment by now", occasionally :> |
| 12:27.57 | jum | miktex, yes it mirrows one hdd |
| 12:27.58 | k-man | anyone know of a tool for synching imap repositories? |
| 12:28.00 | petemc | anabain: lots of people |
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| 12:28.06 | idc | mikeX, excuse me ? |
| 12:28.09 | mikeX | ray99, at least is it listed now if you run 'ifconfig" |
| 12:28.18 | anabain | and with a scsi scanner, petemc? |
| 12:28.18 | mikeX | idc, deprecated... the word puzzles me : ) |
| 12:28.19 | Gnea | you know there actually is someone in this channel named anyone |
| 12:28.27 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.28 | Gnea | see |
| 12:28.30 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:28.36 | idc | i see |
| 12:28.58 | ray99 | mikeX nope 'ifconfig' only shows 'lo' :( |
| 12:28.58 | resiak | directhex|work: I've had a peruse, but I was always planning not to do much until this week. |
| 12:29.14 | mikeX | jum, then I suppose the data is stored as it would be on a normal disk... but don't take my word for it... |
| 12:29.16 | Gnea | i bet he just has it log everytime someone says 'anyone' and then posts it to a webpage somewhere |
| 12:29.22 | idc | i really want to remove this ppp1 its really annoying me that it sitting there but doing nothing |
| 12:29.23 | Gnea | that's funny |
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| 12:29.49 | Gnea | idc: ps axf | grep pppd |
| 12:29.53 | mikeX | ray99, maybe the absence of /etc/network might have something to do with this :? |
| 12:29.56 | Gnea | idc: how many of those show up? |
| 12:30.19 | deb_it_ | if i have installed a kernel image, how can i edit modules or driver i want installed? |
| 12:30.21 | jum | miktex, :-) that's why I am here. I don't want to install a system where I depand on the mainboard. |
| 12:30.24 | mikeX | Gnea, sometimes he replies too, 'no i don't know' |
| 12:30.32 | anabain | I have a problem: adaptec 19160, aic7xxx, sg, and xsane; the system recognizes the scanner properly, but it hangs when pressing "scan" or "preview". The weird thing is that when I use the scanner in w$ and don't turn it off, it works in Linux!!!! |
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| 12:30.35 | Gnea | mikeX: brilliant. |
| 12:31.18 | Gnea | anabain: sane-find-scanner <- does that find it? |
| 12:31.23 | anabain | yes |
| 12:31.23 | idc | Gnea, one and only /usr/sbin/pppd call dsl-provider |
| 12:31.25 | idc | Gnea, i think that is a bug in sarge |
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| 12:31.34 | ray99 | mikeX if i'll download the Debian Woody Binary Iso's, will Debian find my correct LAN settings without any problems after the installation? |
| 12:31.41 | Gnea | idc: hrm i'm running it in sid |
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| 12:31.57 | idc | what ? |
| 12:32.04 | idc | running waht ? |
| 12:32.06 | anabain | Gnea: but after hanging, I must remove sg and aic7xxx and load them again |
| 12:32.09 | Gnea | pppd |
| 12:32.18 | mikeX | ray99, well I can't say really... |
| 12:32.28 | Gnea | anabain: oh right, if you power-cycle the scanner |
| 12:32.33 | mikeX | ray99, plus I haven't used woody that much : ( |
| 12:32.35 | idc | Gnea, i see,hmm for example,if you wanna remove ppp0,usually how will you do ? |
| 12:32.41 | Gnea | anabain: are you in the right group? |
| 12:32.49 | anabain | yes |
| 12:32.49 | mikeX | ray99, how did you install debian before? |
| 12:32.51 | Gnea | idc: kill pppd |
| 12:32.59 | anabain | it's no permissions problesm, Gnea |
| 12:33.03 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.03 | Gnea | and |
| 12:33.08 | Gnea | they should go away |
| 12:33.10 | idc | ok |
| 12:33.13 | Gnea | maybe |
| 12:33.20 | ray99 | mikeX : network install |
| 12:33.20 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.34 | Gnea | might have to pppoeconfig again |
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| 12:33.42 | idc | oh |
| 12:33.45 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 12:33.47 | jum | has anybody experience with raid 1. If I change my mainboard can I read the data from my hdds or does it depend on the controller I use? |
| 12:33.51 | anabain | Gnea, and after reloading modules, it keeps hanging |
| 12:33.55 | solemnwarning | i need to setup a new mail server |
| 12:33.59 | Gnea | anabain: what scanner is it? |
| 12:34.09 | anabain | agfa snapscan 1236s scsi |
| 12:34.19 | Gnea | solemnwarning: great, install an MTA and have a blast |
| 12:34.59 | solemnwarning | this aint my first server i just need some info |
| 12:34.59 | solemnwarning | lol |
| 12:34.59 | anabain | it worked perfectly with an aha 2940UW |
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| 12:35.00 | mikeX | jum, I think it wouldn't be called RAID 1 if some chipset did it differently |
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| 12:35.24 | Gnea | anabain: hrm. it's the card then |
| 12:35.33 | Gnea | anabain: sounds weird doesn't it? |
| 12:35.36 | solemnwarning | it needs to run: apache2, sendmail, dovecot, usermin, spamassain |
| 12:35.37 | anabain | and works perfectly with the adaptec 19160 in Linux... if previously initialized in w$ |
| 12:36.04 | jum | miktex, ok I just give it a try and put one hdd in a different system. Thx. |
| 12:36.06 | anabain | Gnea: weird and annoying |
| 12:36.09 | solemnwarning | would a 256MHz p2 with 64mb ram be able to run that under debian sarge at a decent speed? |
| 12:36.12 | mikeX | jum, again you may wanna try |
| 12:36.27 | Gnea | anabain: i had a full-height scsi-2 hard drive that worked just fine with a mylex card, but once i threw it on a 2940UW it simply would not find it, on any channel. |
| 12:36.50 | mikeX | jum, #linux since this is a technical issue that they should have experience with (since they have a soft raid driver) |
| 12:37.02 | anabain | or pehaps is the driver aic7xxx, but I don't think so because recently I checked a pair of scsi hdds and worked fine |
| 12:37.11 | Gnea | anabain: perhaps aix7xxx requires a special module option |
| 12:37.19 | anabain | yes, I thought of that |
| 12:37.33 | Gnea | tried google? |
| 12:37.40 | anabain | but I'm a newbie and cannot guess which |
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| 12:37.47 | anabain | yes, but nothing |
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| 12:38.21 | idc | what do i do to restore the defalult on PPP ? |
| 12:38.40 | solemnwarning | will it work then? |
| 12:38.52 | solemnwarning | and how big should i make swap? |
| 12:38.56 | solemnwarning | 40gb hdd btw |
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| 12:39.10 | idc | who can help me getting ride of this annoying ppp1 ? |
| 12:39.32 | Gnea | anabain: hahahahah |
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| 12:39.35 | Gnea | anabain: i found your post |
| 12:39.39 | solemnwarning | unplug modem? |
| 12:39.39 | idc | says " /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot is deprecated. Please configure your system to use the standard /etc/network/interfaces method' |
| 12:39.49 | xoz | idc: be more specific |
| 12:40.02 | Gnea | anabain: wow you've been trying for over a week :( |
| 12:40.15 | idc | xoz, i have a working ppp0,while there is another ppp1 weird :( |
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| 12:40.47 | idc | xoz, ppp1 was not there ....it came up there untill i upgraded to sarge |
| 12:41.14 | idc | xoz, well,i answered Yes to it when it asks me whether i want to upgrade PPP during the updateing |
| 12:41.19 | idc | :( |
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| 12:41.44 | solemnwarning | does any1 know if it will work?? |
| 12:42.13 | idc | xoz, now i run ifconfig -a,there is a ppp0 has IP on it,plus a ppp1 there without an IP |
| 12:42.36 | Sonderblade | what do i need to install to get dri to work with debian with an ati card? |
| 12:42.52 | jetdotnet | !ari |
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| 12:42.57 | jetdotnet | !ati |
| 12:42.57 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 12:43.09 | idc | see,i wanna get rid of ppp1 as /ect/init.d/ppp sends message to the boot screen read as 'the /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot is deprecated' |
| 12:43.26 | Sonderblade | !ati drivers |
| 12:43.26 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 12:43.34 | S4nD3r_ | I have a problem using GNOME |
| 12:43.37 | S4nD3r_ | My menu is crazy |
| 12:43.43 | S4nD3r_ | Theres no menu option |
| 12:43.55 | jetdotnet | option? |
| 12:43.58 | S4nD3r_ | I cannot run the applications, because theres no menu |
| 12:44.11 | jetdotnet | and update-menus probably doesn't help |
| 12:44.15 | S4nD3r_ | application menu, jetdotnet |
| 12:44.20 | Gnea | anabain: are you still here? |
| 12:44.32 | S4nD3r_ | how to update, if I dunno how to run it |
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| 12:45.24 | jetdotnet | open up an xterm, type update-menus. i'm not positive if you have to run it as root. but i meant that it probably won't help. |
| 12:45.36 | jetdotnet | but do try |
| 12:46.02 | S4nD3r_ | jetdotnet, I will do it |
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| 12:46.10 | paolob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:46.18 | resiak | !lose paolob |
| 12:46.19 | dpkg | paolob: You Lose. |
| 12:46.21 | jetdotnet | tsk tsk paolob |
| 12:46.27 | idc | lol |
| 12:46.30 | jetdotnet | grandfather? |
| 12:46.45 | jetdotnet | or was that old man |
| 12:46.48 | jetdotnet | i forget |
| 12:46.51 | paolob | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.53 | greycat | yes, grandfather |
| 12:47.12 | greycat | paolob: try *without* the leading space. |
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| 12:47.24 | idc | lol |
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| 12:48.21 | idc | I Need help to remove ppp1,its 'deprecated' |
| 12:48.50 | idc | i mean,i do 'pon' it brings out ppp0 and ppp1 |
| 12:48.52 | idc | strange :( |
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| 12:50.57 | Matthias | hi, what command do i use to edit a textfile from console? in dos it was "edit filename.txt". i tried "jstar filename", but it says jstar is an unknown command :-( |
| 12:51.14 | paolob | Matthias: try vi |
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| 12:51.27 | takatumi | in dos, yeah right. |
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| 12:51.33 | Matthias | ok |
| 12:51.45 | Bebabo | the new gs-common (gs-common_0.3.7_all.deb) refuses here to install (upgrade): "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/de/man1/gsnd.1.gz', which is also in package gs" any hint how to fix that ? |
| 12:52.09 | greycat | Bebabo: dpkg -i --force-overwrite |
| 12:52.11 | sparr_w | x11vnc seems to think i already have a connection open, so its denying my client. where does it keep that info so i can clear it out? |
| 12:52.15 | Bebabo | thx |
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| 12:53.09 | zamolxes | Matthias: coming from a 'dos' world, you might like joe ;) also a very simple editor you can use is nano. or you can start learning the great vim :) |
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| 12:54.27 | Matthias | i would like too, but .... i don't even know how to exit vi.... |
| 12:54.38 | greycat | !vi basics |
| 12:54.38 | dpkg | vi is a modal editor: it has insert, replace and command modes. You start in command mode. Press "i" to enter insert mode, and ESC to go back to command mode. "dd" deletes a line, and "x" deletes a character. Save-and-exit with "ZZ". |
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| 12:55.39 | jetdotnet | nano is good when you first start. least for me. |
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| 12:56.33 | Caeies[taff] | heya all |
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| 12:56.53 | BadMan | yeah, the commands for everything are right at bottom great for term work as well... only I don't know how to you use c/p in nano |
| 12:57.04 | jetdotnet | Bebabo: i usually dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/blah.deb (iirc that's the path) |
| 12:57.07 | Caeies[taff] | I'm getting some problem with samba, a normal user can't mount samba shares even if smbmnt is suid |
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| 12:57.22 | Caeies[taff] | and I'm digging arount without luck |
| 12:57.30 | Matthias | it works. i added a line to a textfile. wow i am such a genius |
| 12:57.38 | jetdotnet | actually i use --force-all, but that's liable to get me larted |
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| 12:58.16 | BadMan | Caeies[taff]: try #samba They are pretty damn good with it |
| 12:58.26 | Caeies[taff] | BadMan, ok thanks |
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| 12:58.35 | Caeies[taff] | I was thinking about a debian problem ... |
| 12:58.39 | Caeies[taff] | but ok |
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| 12:58.49 | jetdotnet | ctrl+k cuts a line, ctrl+u pastes it |
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| 12:58.59 | jetdotnet | not sure about chars |
| 12:59.01 | xASY | How can i with nice limit a program to only run with 5% of my cpu? |
| 12:59.20 | BadMan | hmmm. why does everyone think that if a program does not do what they want it's instantly a Debian problem... 8-( |
| 12:59.22 | SlayerXP | xASY: you can't |
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| 12:59.25 | eps | what is the file system type you use to mount an iso file? |
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| 12:59.27 | jetdotnet | ctrl+r sucks in a file |
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| 12:59.33 | xASY | SlayerXP: can another program do it? |
| 12:59.34 | jetdotnet | iso9001 iirc |
| 12:59.53 | SlayerXP | xASY: that's what the kernel scheduler is for |
| 12:59.55 | idc | how do i redo the whole thing on pppoe ? |
| 13:00.00 | eps | jetdotnet not supported |
| 13:00.01 | eps | hmm |
| 13:00.05 | eps | gah, I used to know it |
| 13:00.06 | jetdotnet | dpkg-reconfigure poe maybe |
| 13:00.16 | jetdotnet | ppoe |
| 13:00.17 | jethro | eps: iso9660 |
| 13:00.18 | jetdotnet | pppppp |
| 13:00.20 | xASY | SlayerXP: okay how can i with that limit a program to only use 5% ? |
| 13:00.21 | jetdotnet | erg |
| 13:00.25 | valdyn | idc: run pppoeconf |
| 13:00.35 | SlayerXP | xASY: as I said, you can't. |
| 13:00.35 | jethro | jetdotnet: 9001 is a totally different thing |
| 13:00.39 | eps | jetdotnet it for some reason complained, does that suggest maybe my iso is broken? |
| 13:00.45 | jetdotnet | gah..... jethro yeah |
| 13:00.47 | BadMan | For remaining users of winders, there was a program called Alcohol 120, is there an equivalent for linux/debian? |
| 13:00.48 | eps | jethro * |
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| 13:00.51 | idc | Package `poe' is not installed and no info is available. |
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| 13:00.59 | jetdotnet | eps i had the #'s worng, i'm thinking buildings |
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| 13:01.07 | eps | BadMan yeah you just mount it, working out what the fs type is now |
| 13:01.12 | jetdotnet | and it's pppoeconf |
| 13:01.15 | Matthias | is there a standard key for quitting a program? |
| 13:01.22 | idc | valdyn, it doesn't help,after i ran pppoeconf again, there is still a ppp1 |
| 13:01.25 | eps | but it is mount isoimagelocation /path/to/where/you/mount/it -o loop |
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| 13:01.31 | genix_ | How can I get my NAT to work without having to run this on every reboot: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE ? |
| 13:01.33 | jetdotnet | ctrl+x for nano |
| 13:01.42 | graet | the new user that i created cannot even read the / file system. do i have to do any mounting first? |
| 13:01.42 | eps | Matthias alt f4 for gui apps? |
| 13:01.44 | valdyn | idc: "ifdown ppp1" |
| 13:01.51 | genix_ | How can I get my NAT to work without having to run this on every reboot: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE ?* |
| 13:01.59 | SlayerXP | genix_: see the "up" and "down" directives in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:02.03 | eps | genix_ put it in a cron? |
| 13:02.04 | SlayerXP | gelignite: and don't repeat |
| 13:02.05 | jethro | eps: CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y if you have that in your /boot/config-$(uname -r) you should be able to mount cds |
| 13:02.06 | jetdotnet | what did you say, genix_ ? |
| 13:02.16 | idc | valdyn, ifdown: interface ppp1 not configured |
| 13:02.17 | valdyn | idc: or if you are doing this the old ( deprecated ) way, /etc/init.d/ppo stop |
| 13:02.20 | valdyn | idc: or if you are doing this the old ( deprecated ) way, /etc/init.d/ppp stop |
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| 13:02.28 | Matthias | i onlyhave console |
| 13:02.34 | Matthias | does anyone know a really really easy tutorial for beginners? |
| 13:02.36 | CrypticSquared | genix_: try google and iptables+masquerad3e |
| 13:02.42 | CrypticSquared | *masquerade |
| 13:02.49 | CrypticSquared | it is a little complicated |
| 13:02.52 | idc | valdyn, but that will cut off my internet ? |
| 13:03.03 | valdyn | idc: yes |
| 13:03.07 | jetdotnet | if you're on dialup maybe |
| 13:03.07 | SlayerXP | genix_: and don't repeat |
| 13:03.14 | jethro | genix_: try writing a startup scrip for you firewalling |
| 13:03.21 | jethro | genix_: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 13:03.22 | idc | valdyn, my problem is ,i have a ppp1 which i do not need it |
| 13:03.24 | eps | jethro it is set to 'm' ? |
| 13:03.34 | valdyn | idc: why do you have it? |
| 13:03.36 | jetdotnet | take it out of interfaces? |
| 13:03.42 | CrypticSquared | genix_: google iptables+firewall generator or firewall scripts |
| 13:03.46 | jethro | eps: mine is y, if yous is m, make sure it's loaded |
| 13:04.00 | idc | valdyn, in boot there is message says '/etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot is deprecated. Please configure your system to use * the standard /etc/network/interfaces method. |
| 13:04.01 | valdyn | idc: you can bring it down specificually w/ "ifconfig ppp1 down". |
| 13:04.05 | jetdotnet | !wayttd Matthias |
| 13:04.06 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Matthias? |
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| 13:04.14 | genix_ | jethro: where should all startup scripts be |
| 13:04.18 | jethro | genix_: you can also look at http://www.ebat.org/~jethro/init.fw or http://www.ebat.org/~jethro/init.fw.nat |
| 13:04.22 | valdyn | idc: so you should do that |
| 13:04.24 | jetdotnet | Matthias: tldp.org might help |
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| 13:04.29 | jethro | genix_: I told you, read /etc/init.d/README |
| 13:04.31 | graet | the new user that i created cannot even read the / file system. do i have to do any mounting first? |
| 13:04.40 | Sonderblade | is there a deb-package for dri ati drivers? |
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| 13:04.49 | greycat | Sonderblade: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
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| 13:04.56 | CrypticSquared | jethro: he doesnt need init.d just a script |
| 13:05.02 | eps | thanks jethro - still isn't mounting but I'm sure I'll work out the rest of the problem :) |
| 13:05.05 | idc | valdyn, it was not there untill iupgraded to sarge,i knew why it happen because i remember i answered NO to it when asking me whether to keep the current ppp config or no |
| 13:05.12 | xk | hrm... anyone know how to replace freebsd's /kernel? |
| 13:05.45 | jetdotnet | graet: check if mount is suid |
| 13:05.45 | CrypticSquared | xk: what do you mean? recompile? |
| 13:05.49 | valdyn | idc: thats correct, the prefferred method to use ppp changed from woody to sarge |
| 13:05.51 | idc | valdyn, ppp1 is still there,ran ifconfig ppp1 down |
| 13:05.52 | SlayerXP | xk: in what way? |
| 13:05.52 | Matthias | thx, jetdotnet |
| 13:05.57 | xk | CrypticSquared: well, I can't overwrite /kernel with kernel.GENERIC |
| 13:06.04 | jethro | CrypticSquared: he needs to start/stopfirewall at boottime/halt time, and that's the WHOLE point of init.d scripts, but of course he doesn't have to call iptables a couple of times and could use iptables-save/restore, but in all cases, he'd need some init.d script |
| 13:06.07 | CrypticSquared | you have to compile it |
| 13:06.12 | xk | have to? that's fucking gay. |
| 13:06.13 | graet | how to check? |
| 13:06.13 | idc | valdyn, what do you mean by its correct ? |
| 13:06.14 | jetdotnet | err wrong bork.... damn i've been ther |
| 13:06.18 | xk | kernel.GENERIC exists... I want to use that |
| 13:06.23 | Sonderblade | greycat: i meant not fglrx because it does not work with ati rage 128 |
| 13:06.24 | jetdotnet | egraet, nm |
| 13:06.26 | onre | xk, then copy it to /kernel and reboot |
| 13:06.35 | valdyn | idc: that the deprecation message only appears once you upgrade to sarge |
| 13:06.38 | onre | xk, if it doesn't allow you to do that, check file permissions |
| 13:06.51 | xk | onre: operation not permitted |
| 13:06.52 | CrypticSquared | jethro: if he is using ppp he could just put it in the ppp.dup or whatever it is called |
| 13:06.55 | idc | valdyn, last time i upgraded from woody to sarge,only ppp0 there,no such thing ppp1 |
| 13:07.12 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: ATI Rage 128 is supported by xfree |
| 13:07.15 | antony | i got some fonts that i need to use in gimp, copied them to /usr/local/share/fonts. do i then need to investigate defoma or edit fontpath in xf86-config to include this directory? |
| 13:07.16 | greycat | Sonderblade: rage 128 is probably mach64. just use normal x. |
| 13:07.17 | idc | valdyn, no,that message pops up every time i boot |
| 13:07.18 | jetdotnet | graet: either the suid, (i don't htink so) or maybe the perms on /dev/hdblah... been there, done that, done forgot... :( |
| 13:07.27 | jethro | CrypticSquared: starting the firewall priori to anything else is what i'd do |
| 13:07.28 | valdyn | idc: SURE it pops up every time you boot |
| 13:07.37 | idc | valdyn, that mess in /etc/init.d/ppp |
| 13:07.39 | xk | and even if I copy it over... how will freebsd know how to boot with it... wouldn't it have lilo-like problems? |
| 13:07.39 | valdyn | idc: booting doesnt change your /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot file |
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| 13:07.54 | jethro | xk: you mean change at boot time, or replace /kernel? |
| 13:07.59 | Matthias | dpkg: i am trying to set up a webserver, but i dont even know how to edit textfiles. ;-) linux seems so complicated after 15 years of msdos and windows |
| 13:08.01 | onre | xk, freebsd bootloader can read the filesystem so no as long as the name is same. |
| 13:08.02 | xk | jethro: changing at boot time is an option :) |
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| 13:08.04 | CrypticSquared | jethro: if you have no internet connection and the lan is safe why bother until the actual ppp connects? |
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| 13:08.08 | onre | xk, and if it isn't, you get to specify a name. |
| 13:08.09 | idc | valdyn, i want to remove ppp1 by then from doing ifconfig -a there is only ppp0 :( |
| 13:08.11 | onre | xk, more like grub than lilo. |
| 13:08.20 | olecom | antony> with fontconfig(gtk2) you need no xf86config |
| 13:08.30 | valdyn | idc: kill the relevant pppd process |
| 13:08.32 | jethro | CrypticSquared: default deny vs default accept endless troll, let's skip it |
| 13:08.36 | xk | trying to get rid of freebsd (someone's former system) |
| 13:08.41 | CrypticSquared | jethro: :) |
| 13:08.45 | xk | although might be easier to just change HDs from a working system |
| 13:08.45 | idc | valdyn, i only have 1 ppd is ruuning now |
| 13:08.57 | valdyn | idc: and ppp1 is the only one running? |
| 13:08.58 | CrypticSquared | im pissed forgive me |
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| 13:09.12 | idc | let me check |
| 13:09.33 | idc | valdyn, here about pppd -> /usr/sbin/pppd call dsl-provider |
| 13:09.35 | jethro | CrypticSquared: np |
| 13:09.40 | idc | about ppp1,how to check that one ? |
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| 13:09.55 | [4-tea-2] | hi folks, what's the smart way of installing sun's java sdk 1.4 on a debian/sarge? (I remember using an installer package, but that could've been on sid...) [ ] the installer package name is: _____ [ ] alien an rpm [ ] install the .bin from sun [ ] none of the above |
| 13:10.00 | valdyn | idc: if ifconfig -a doesnt show ppp1 then you have no ppp1 |
| 13:10.29 | valdyn | idc: if you ( by whatever method ) do a 2nd dial in in parallel it will logically be ppp1 if ppp0 already exists |
| 13:10.33 | idc | yes,PPP1 is there |
| 13:10.43 | idc | That why i am here |
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| 13:10.54 | Matthias | hey nano is a whole lot easier to use :-) |
| 13:10.57 | valdyn | idc: its not a problem |
| 13:11.01 | idc | valdyn, hmmm |
| 13:11.05 | jethro | !start an editor war |
| 13:11.05 | dpkg | vim users are really backwards |
| 13:11.32 | Matthias | they have to be |
| 13:11.32 | onre | ed! ed! ed! |
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| 13:11.35 | idnar | !tell [4-tea-2] about java-package |
| 13:11.36 | idc | valdyn, i just let adsl run at boot |
| 13:11.43 | [4-tea-2] | idnar: tyvm |
| 13:11.55 | jetdotnet | Matthias: yeah... but later, it wil become too featureless |
| 13:12.05 | valdyn | idc: i dont know where / how you manually started a 2nd dial on process |
| 13:12.05 | onre | a pedal mimicking the function of mouse wheel would be nice |
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| 13:12.17 | idc | valdyn, huh ? |
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| 13:12.25 | idc | valdyn, i didn't change anything |
| 13:12.44 | schneewittchen | hi all! does anyone know how to install, use or configure the softvol plugin for the alsa libraries? apt-cache show libasound2-plugins says it includes only the JACK plugin |
| 13:12.45 | Matthias | jetdotnet: which is better? |
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| 13:13.03 | idc | valdyn, when was on woody, i ran pppoeconf,set up things there,apply adsl to dial ISP at boot time,thats all |
| 13:13.05 | rux | hi. has anyone suspend2 working with the nvidia driver? and how did you manage that? |
| 13:13.05 | CrypticSquared | schneewittchen: try aptitude |
| 13:13.08 | BadMan | how do you see what ISA cards are inserted into motherboard? I have the isautils |
| 13:13.08 | xk | jethro: still operation not permitted, even in freebsdbootloader. |
| 13:13.16 | xk | freebsd is worthless. |
| 13:13.20 | idc | valdyn, after upgraded to sarge,now,i have ppp1 which it was not there in ifconfig -a :( |
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| 13:13.31 | jethro | xk: I m not sure I got your problem right, as I jumped in late |
| 13:13.33 | jetdotnet | Matthias: not sure, console-wise... i'm a gui whore nowadays |
| 13:13.37 | CrypticSquared | xk: you are a moron for thinking that |
| 13:13.38 | valdyn | idc: ppp1 doesnt exist if its not in ifconfig -a |
| 13:13.39 | jetdotnet | vim |
| 13:13.43 | Sonderblade | apt-get install xlibmesa-dri gives you dri right? |
| 13:13.51 | CrypticSquared | xk: what do you think mac osx is based on? |
| 13:13.52 | xk | CrypticSquared: probably... but I fucking hate freebsd with a passion. |
| 13:13.54 | idc | valdyn, IT Is THERE |
| 13:13.55 | directhex|work | Sonderblade, what's the hardware? |
| 13:14.04 | Sonderblade | directhex|work: ati rage mobility mach64 i think |
| 13:14.07 | valdyn | idc: and ppp0 isnt? |
| 13:14.08 | schneewittchen | cryptic: the problem is it does not seem to be included in the debian alsa plugin package |
| 13:14.08 | flankk | anyone know of a good biff client? i have one for firefox, but it needs to be open for the notification to work, so it's useless. |
| 13:14.12 | idc | valdyn, it WAS NOt there on woody |
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| 13:14.22 | CrypticSquared | schneewittchen: im outa ideas |
| 13:14.24 | xk | CrypticSquared: mac osx reminds me of proprietary unix anyway |
| 13:14.25 | idc | valdyn, ppp0 was/is there the working one with IP on it |
| 13:14.37 | CrypticSquared | xk: what are you looking for then? use windows |
| 13:14.37 | valdyn | idc: "ifconfig ppp1 down" |
| 13:14.38 | idc | valdyn, now,on ppp1,there is not a IP configured on it |
| 13:14.53 | idc | but, by running ifconfig -a,i see eth0,lo,ppp0,ppp1 |
| 13:15.03 | xk | CrypticSquared: trying to get rid of freebsd... but can't use the stock/generic kernel |
| 13:15.11 | xk | so no debian bootstraping. |
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| 13:15.17 | idc | valdyn, that does NOT work,it's still there |
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| 13:15.23 | cahoot | schneewittchen: look like you need alsa from cvs (1.0.9) |
| 13:15.27 | CrypticSquared | xk: back up, format, reinstall |
| 13:15.29 | flankk | anyone? |
| 13:15.30 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: what does 'lspci -v | grep VGA' say? |
| 13:15.31 | jethro | xk: why do you need a kernel if you want to get rid? |
| 13:15.33 | idc | valdyn, i even ran 'ifdown ppp1' says ppp1 is not configured |
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| 13:15.43 | onre | xk, copy the generic kernel to something like /genkernel and tell the bootloader during boot to load that instead of /kernel |
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| 13:15.48 | jethro | xk: you have some data on you need to backup on the freebsd fs? |
| 13:15.52 | xk | jethro: well.. the mb I had previously didn't like booting from floppy or cdrom |
| 13:15.53 | flankk | abrotman, hey. |
| 13:15.55 | xk | but I think this system will |
| 13:16.02 | abrotman | flankk: i thought you didn't like me .. |
| 13:16.04 | onre | xk, given that freebsd folks haven't managed to break the bootloader, wouldn't be much surprise |
| 13:16.07 | idc | valdyn, it alerayd told me how to fix it ...the problem is im newbie that i do not get it |
| 13:16.11 | CrypticSquared | xk: check the bios |
| 13:16.12 | schneewittchen | cahoot: the release notes for alsa 1.0.8 state this plugin is included |
| 13:16.13 | flankk | abrotman, i don't like your attitude.. lol |
| 13:16.16 | abrotman | flankk: you missed out on a great "Let's Kill Abrotman" party :) |
| 13:16.18 | Sonderblade | streuner_: Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) (prog-if 00 [VGA) |
| 13:16.26 | flankk | abrotman, do you use a biff client, by any chance? |
| 13:16.30 | xk | ok, let me try... cdrom booting ;o |
| 13:16.31 | CrypticSquared | xk: or make sure the cd/floppy is valid |
| 13:16.31 | idc | valdyn, in boot it says '/etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot is deprecated. Please configure your system to use* the standard /etc/network/interfaces method' |
| 13:16.36 | Matthias | it seems like i dont even have vim ;-) |
| 13:16.46 | xk | I could PXE boot it... but no clue what's been flashed with it, heh. |
| 13:16.48 | abrotman | flankk: i realize you're probably from another part of the world .. but when i say "biff" .. it means it's screwed up :) |
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| 13:16.56 | idc | valdyn, i just do not understand how to do it ,literally |
| 13:16.59 | schneewittchen | debian sid uses alsa 1.0.8 but i don't find this plugin |
| 13:17.07 | CrypticSquared | idc: go to the rc.? in /etc and del ??ppp |
| 13:17.11 | onre | xk you can always make it boot from the network and tcpdump on another machine to see what's going on |
| 13:17.16 | flankk | abrotman, 'biff' .. the classic UN*X mail notification utility.. |
| 13:17.18 | abrotman | flankk: what does biff do ? |
| 13:17.20 | abrotman | oh .. that one |
| 13:17.22 | idc | CrypticSquared, please wait |
| 13:17.27 | valdyn | idc: you move the file /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot out of the way and.. |
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| 13:17.35 | CrypticSquared | idc: read interfaces man and then configure /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:17.39 | flankk | abrotman, or anything similar :) |
| 13:17.52 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: and you choose ATI in GUI (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86)? |
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| 13:18.03 | valdyn | idc: add to your /etc/network/interfaces : iface ppp0 inet ppp \ provider dsl-provider ( \ = newline ) |
| 13:18.06 | abrotman | flankk: no .. not in a long time have i used that .. they have that nifty thing in the elm package or something that when you hit enter on your shell it says "you've got mail" :) |
| 13:18.08 | Sonderblade | streuner_: yes |
| 13:18.20 | flankk | abrotman, lol |
| 13:18.27 | idc | CrypticSquared, there are many rc* in /etc/ which one ? |
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| 13:18.43 | abrotman | flankk: mostly.. i either use pop3/imap .. or pine with that elm-ish thing |
| 13:18.54 | valdyn | idc: after that is done, a dial in is done via "ifup ppp0", add "auto ppp0" to /etc/network/interfaces to do this on boot automatically |
| 13:18.57 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: ok, download ati mach64 what greycat mentioned and use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-mach64 or such |
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| 13:19.14 | idc | valdyn, in interfaces,there is that one already |
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| 13:19.39 | valdyn | idc: oh excellent, that explains your error |
| 13:19.55 | idc | valdyn, in /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot is a symbol to same dir the file ppp_on_boot.dsl |
| 13:20.04 | abrotman | flankk: and of course .. one of the systems that has that elmish thing took a poo last night .. silly fbsd kids |
| 13:20.08 | Sonderblade | streuner_: greycat mentioned fglrx but i dont think i can use it because my card is to old |
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| 13:20.17 | godless | question : I have a package that fails to install and also fails to be removed, is there a way to manually remove the package ? (tried apt-get remove, dpkg -rm error: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state, you should reinstall it. Reinstalling it also fails |
| 13:20.25 | CrypticSquared | idc: unfortunately they put the ppp script in all the rc dirs |
| 13:20.40 | abrotman | godless: apt-get -f install ? |
| 13:20.45 | flankk | abrotman, i have thunderbird configured for pop, with a little biff'ish notification. Problem is, notification only works when app is open.. so it is useless. A simple POP email notification in the system tray would satisfy me :) |
| 13:20.55 | CrypticSquared | idc: check /etc/inittab and see what your default run level is, it should be 3 |
| 13:20.55 | idc | CrypticSquared, oh |
| 13:21.03 | abrotman | flankk: which DE? |
| 13:21.09 | valdyn | idc: do you mean symlink? |
| 13:21.18 | valdyn | idc: just remove it then |
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| 13:21.25 | flankk | abrotman, pardon? |
| 13:21.39 | abrotman | flankk: i know gnome has a mail notification applet .. and gdesklets also has applets for that |
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| 13:21.58 | CrypticSquared | idc: that means if it is 3 rcd.3 or whatever it is called is the main one you are using for the scripts, so del from there |
| 13:21.59 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: nope, he gave you a hint (mach64) and thats usually not in the x-windows meta package... |
| 13:21.59 | flankk | abrotman, desktop environment = DE? news to me. |
| 13:22.11 | abrotman | !de |
| 13:22.11 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 13:22.12 | abrotman | bah |
| 13:22.14 | abrotman | never mind |
| 13:22.16 | valdyn | idc: you had 2 mechanisms dialing in, one triggered by /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot, the other by your entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:22.16 | flankk | lol |
| 13:22.18 | abrotman | i knew that was gonna happen |
| 13:22.20 | idc | hmm |
| 13:22.30 | takatumi | !abrotman |
| 13:22.30 | dpkg | hmm... abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 13:22.31 | abrotman | flankk: yes .. DE |
| 13:22.38 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 13:22.39 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 13:22.42 | abrotman | i prefer that one :) |
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| 13:22.51 | valdyn | idc: so remove /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot and things should be as intended |
| 13:22.56 | takatumi | what happened to the useless factoids one? I prefer that :P |
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| 13:23.01 | idc | valdyn, in /etc/ppp/ there the ppp_on_boot is a symlink to ppp_on_boot.dsl in same dir |
| 13:23.06 | takatumi | oh it's there. |
| 13:23.10 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: http://www.xfree86.org/4.0.1/Status6.html#6 |
| 13:23.12 | Soeki | hi, i installed a backport samba 3 on woody and all of the sudden bash broke or something... i dont have "init" or "shutdown" |
| 13:23.15 | valdyn | idc: i know, just remove the symlink |
| 13:23.15 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 13:23.15 | dpkg | i guess useless factoids is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 13:23.17 | flankk | abrotman, never heard of a gnome biff utility, know which package it's included in, by chance? |
| 13:23.25 | idc | valdyn, just remove that symlink is okay ? |
| 13:23.29 | flankk | yay! |
| 13:23.30 | abrotman | flankk: right click ont he panel .. i think there's a mail applet |
| 13:23.36 | valdyn | idc: yes! |
| 13:23.41 | idc | CrypticSquared, sorry,i am so confused :( |
| 13:23.54 | flankk | abrotman, well, i don't use gnome, but i could use the util if you know of the package.. |
| 13:23.55 | valdyn | idc: its trivial to restore anyway, but remove = right thing |
| 13:23.59 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status6.html#6 |
| 13:23.59 | abrotman | flankk: where it says "Add To Panel" ... look for a mail thing .. i'm pretty sure gnome has it as part of the capplets package .. |
| 13:24.03 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 13:24.04 | idc | valdyn, what if i rename it in case .. ? |
| 13:24.06 | abrotman | you use xfce? |
| 13:24.15 | valdyn | idc: that will accomplish the same |
| 13:24.22 | flankk | abrotman, yes.. how'd you guess? |
| 13:24.26 | takatumi | abrotman: you switched to xfce? |
| 13:24.32 | abrotman | flankk: how many other gtk WMs are there? |
| 13:24.35 | abrotman | takatumi: no .. |
| 13:24.44 | takatumi | ah ok. |
| 13:24.47 | flankk | abrotman, a lot.. |
| 13:24.48 | godless | abrotman : also fails "there is no script in the new version of the package" |
| 13:24.50 | idc | valdyn, i will try that ,thanks ..let me think |
| 13:24.53 | abrotman | flankk: gbuffy? |
| 13:24.55 | Sonderblade | streuner_: I have Driver "ati" in Section "Device" shouldn't that be what is required to load the driver? |
| 13:24.56 | flankk | abrotman, lol |
| 13:24.59 | abrotman | godless: that's an odd thing |
| 13:25.02 | abrotman | flankk: no? |
| 13:25.04 | flankk | abrotman, when did i say gtk? |
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| 13:25.14 | abrotman | flankk: iirc ... XFCE is gtk based |
| 13:25.14 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: apt-cache search mach64 |
| 13:25.35 | godless | abrotman : indeed, ... dunno how to solve it though |
| 13:25.37 | flankk | abrotman, yes, but how did you know i was using xfce? i gave you no information that i can see for you to assume that.. |
| 13:26.02 | drac | streuner_: Rage Mobility is Mach64? |
| 13:26.05 | abrotman | flankk: because you said you said you could use a gnome util .. most kde users won't install gnome for one util |
| 13:26.12 | drac | I was under impression it's Rage128. |
| 13:26.26 | takatumi | the xfce panel is pretty neat. |
| 13:26.31 | streuner_ | drac: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status6.html#6 |
| 13:26.38 | flankk | abrotman, actually, most of my desktops have both kde and gnome libraries installed.. and i usually run fluxbox. |
| 13:26.44 | streuner_ | drac: he said its an old card... |
| 13:26.50 | abrotman | flankk: did you look at gbuffy? |
| 13:26.55 | takatumi | flankk: flagrant waste of resources. |
| 13:26.59 | Sonderblade | streuner_: no such package |
| 13:27.02 | abrotman | flankk: or .. "apt-cache search biff" |
| 13:27.07 | drac | streuner_: ah k |
| 13:27.10 | abrotman | will show you many comprable programs |
| 13:27.29 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: sec. |
| 13:27.36 | valdyn | gnome has a mail notification daemon |
| 13:27.41 | drac | Sonderblade: You need to use 'ati' driver, and i've allready asked you upload your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to some site so I can take a look at it. Can you do that? |
| 13:27.50 | flankk | takatumi, omg. any wm is a 'flagrant waste of resources'. fool. |
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| 13:28.07 | antony | olecom: so just add the path to /etc/fonts/local.conf and man fc-cache? |
| 13:28.22 | Sonderblade | drac: let me find a suitable pastebin |
| 13:28.30 | abrotman | flankk: yes .. `apt-cache search biff` .. shows lots |
| 13:28.31 | takatumi | flankk: omg lol roflmao |
| 13:28.32 | antony | olecom: so just add the path to /etc/fonts/local.conf and man fc-cache? |
| 13:28.37 | antony | oops :) |
| 13:28.39 | flankk | takatumi, ;P |
| 13:28.47 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: sarge? |
| 13:28.50 | drac | Sonderblade: How much memory do you have in your card? You can't get DRI with 4mb. |
| 13:29.11 | drac | Sonderblade: You need at least 8mb memory, and use depth 8 and prolly only resolution 800x600 to get DRI. |
| 13:29.16 | flankk | abrotman, thx, just wanted your take on it. |
| 13:29.27 | godless | question : how can I manually remove a package (apt and dpkg fail to install/remove it) |
| 13:29.30 | abrotman | flankk: never used it :) |
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| 13:29.40 | Sonderblade | streuner_: yes |
| 13:29.49 | abrotman | flankk: but gdesklets are fun :) |
| 13:29.54 | PumpkinPie | is there some way to run two programs and make them appear as one process? |
| 13:30.02 | Sonderblade | drac: I THINK i have that much memory, the card isn't that old |
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| 13:30.10 | PumpkinPie | like one program runs two separate programs |
| 13:30.17 | PumpkinPie | so it looks like one program |
| 13:30.24 | antony | actually, these fonts are needed on several workstations. is a font server better than fontconfig in this situation? |
| 13:30.37 | drac | Sonderblade: Ok, just upload the config and i'll fix the settings you need for DRI from X. |
| 13:30.46 | Crasp | are there any other programs besides 'parted' that CAN move an ext2 startpoint? |
| 13:30.55 | abrotman | gparted :) |
| 13:31.10 | Crasp | isn't that a frontend for parted? |
| 13:31.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:31.17 | abrotman | you just asked |
| 13:31.24 | Sonderblade | drac: http://rafb.net/paste/results/GilBWy34.html |
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| 13:31.28 | streuner_ | drac: those drivers aren't in sarge anymore |
| 13:31.28 | Crasp | well, then you misunderstood my question |
| 13:31.30 | Chameleon22 | can anyone suggest to me a very simple wiki i could use to make notes/document development process of an arbitarry project? |
| 13:31.32 | valdyn | antony: probably not, you dont want to introduce a single point of failure for several workstations, do you? |
| 13:31.42 | Crasp | cause i want a program that can move the startpoint of an ext2 partition |
| 13:31.43 | streuner_ | drac: xserver-mach64 |
| 13:31.47 | abrotman | Crasp: not really . it was poorly worded :) |
| 13:31.49 | greycat | Chameleon22: apache + webDAV + mozilla |
| 13:31.49 | Crasp | and parted can't do that |
| 13:32.01 | greycat | (*not* firefox. mozilla.) |
| 13:32.02 | drac | streuner_: What do you mean? XFree 4.3.0 has ati and radeon with it? |
| 13:32.16 | drac | streuner_: It's not separated package anymore. |
| 13:32.18 | abrotman | Crasp: google doesn't return anything ? |
| 13:32.41 | streuner_ | drac: that would fix the problem, but he got no results with ATI itself |
| 13:32.44 | Crasp | abrotman: didn't try yet, but i thought i could ask here since i'm running debian and i want to know if debian has any other programs for it |
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| 13:33.04 | Crasp | but if nobody knows anything i'll use google :) |
| 13:33.14 | Soeki | ok i found out what it wa |
| 13:33.32 | Chameleon22 | greycat: i guess you missed the "very simple" part ;) |
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| 13:33.38 | Soeki | my root folder and therefore .profile was lost on a fsck |
| 13:34.26 | Soeki | where can i get a default .profile for root. for woody |
| 13:34.35 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: Did you try VESA? |
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| 13:35.05 | Sonderblade | streuner_: Load "vesa" in XFConfig-4? |
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| 13:35.14 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: yep |
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| 13:35.30 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 13:35.54 | xk | folder folder folder |
| 13:36.06 | keltiek`bzh | I have just do a netinstall of sarge RC3 from floppies, and when the system first reboot, i have this message : "Not found any [active partition] in HDD, DISK BOOT FAILURE..." |
| 13:36.06 | Sonderblade | streuner_: does that do anything that editing the config-file manually does not? |
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| 13:36.12 | dos000 | anyone know why pgsql (--without-pgsql) was taken out of php in debain ? |
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| 13:36.21 | keltiek`bzh | someone know what i can do ? |
| 13:36.29 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:36.34 | xk | !debain |
| 13:36.34 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 13:36.45 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: not manually editing the file |
| 13:37.00 | Soeki | some one have had this problem before? |
| 13:37.09 | aardvark | !someone |
| 13:37.09 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 13:37.14 | Sonderblade | good :) ill try with vesa |
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| 13:37.21 | olecom | antony> maybe |
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| 13:38.32 | keltiek`bzh | no ideas ^^ ??? |
| 13:38.38 | sparr_w | x11vnc seems to think i already have a connection open, so its denying my client. where does it keep that info so i can clear it out? |
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| 13:38.54 | Sonderblade | streuner_: no luck with vesa |
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| 13:39.43 | johaBBa | how can i disable ipv6 in sarge? |
| 13:39.53 | Crasp | rmmod ipv6 |
| 13:39.58 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: /msg dpkg flood and show us the output of /var/log/XF86Config.log |
| 13:40.05 | johaBBa | crashbg: on every boot? |
| 13:40.20 | Crasp | johaBBa: remove it from /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf |
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| 13:40.40 | greycat | don't edit modules.conf. |
| 13:40.46 | solemnwarning | if i apt-get install apache2 under debian sarge will perl be ready configured? |
| 13:40.56 | solemnwarning | so i just need to set a cgi-bin |
| 13:41.00 | keltiek`bzh | I have just do a netinstall of sarge RC3 from floppies, and when the system first reboot, i have this message : "Not found any [active partition] in HDD, DISK BOOT FAILURE..." What can I do ??? |
| 13:41.10 | Crasp | solemnwarning: you can see that on packages.debian.org at the requirements |
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| 13:41.32 | antony | valdyn: no, i want a single point of management :) |
| 13:41.33 | solemnwarning | sp apache will configure itself for perl? |
| 13:41.33 | nj | should i use nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server? |
| 13:41.33 | Crasp | solemnwarning: ehm.. requirements=dependencies |
| 13:41.37 | solemnwarning | *so |
| 13:41.41 | Soeki | greycat can you help me? |
| 13:42.03 | greycat | Soeki: restore it from backups. |
| 13:42.05 | Crasp | apache and perl have nothing to do with eachother |
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| 13:42.11 | solemnwarning | i will have perl installed anyway |
| 13:42.12 | BadMan | How do I find info ona ISA card(like lspci?)? |
| 13:42.16 | greycat | Soeki: why the hell do you care about root's .profile anyway? it's not like you would ever *use* it. |
| 13:42.17 | idc | CrypticSquared, HEy :D |
| 13:42.19 | Crasp | if you use cgi on apache you can use anything that is executable in cgi-bin |
| 13:42.28 | directhex|work | !pnpdump |
| 13:42.28 | dpkg | from memory, pnpdump is a tool to help you use isa plug and play devices with a 2.2 kernel, if i recall.. see the isapnptools package |
| 13:42.34 | idc | CrypticSquared, It worked !! PPP1 is gone :D |
| 13:42.34 | BadMan | thanks |
| 13:42.39 | solemnwarning | but will apache configure itself on install so i can use perl scripts? |
| 13:42.43 | Soeki | greycat well i think thats why bash its not working... =( |
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| 13:42.48 | acm_ | hello |
| 13:42.49 | Crasp | solemnwarning: i think so yes |
| 13:42.55 | acm_ | i am spanish |
| 13:42.58 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 13:43.00 | idc | Thank you so much ..by the way,shall i remove S14ppp symblic ? |
| 13:43.12 | acm_ | what is the debian espanish chat? |
| 13:43.14 | Soeki | dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 13:43.14 | Soeki | NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
| 13:43.14 | Soeki | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 13:43.20 | greycat | Debian ought to put "case $(tty) in /dev/tty*) ;; *) echo 'what are you doing you moron? no root login except on console'; exit 1;; esac" in ~root/.profile |
| 13:43.20 | acm_ | in irc of course |
| 13:43.30 | johaBBa | Crasp: ok...thanks |
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| 13:43.31 | streuner_ | !es |
| 13:43.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:43.47 | acm_ | more thanks |
| 13:43.53 | greycat | Soeki: what the hell are you doing? logging in as root? |
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| 13:43.55 | casperbca | hello, someone sent me a tgz file with a root partition inside. I want to decompress it on my HDD, but i get some errors when i do it: files located in /dev can't be decompressed |
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| 13:44.11 | nj | should i use nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server? |
| 13:44.24 | greycat | nj: yes. |
| 13:44.38 | anabain | hi everybody, anyone with a scsi scanner and aic7xxx driver? |
| 13:44.45 | Crasp | yes is not quite the appropriate answer i think :) |
| 13:44.49 | Soeki | greycat yes but just for install, i know i could use SU ^.^; |
| 13:45.02 | nj | greycat: huh sorry? which should i use the userspace or the kernel server? |
| 13:45.04 | greycat | Soeki: so do that. |
| 13:45.07 | kingsley | What's a good way to find which directory is hogging disc space? df and du report that 16 more GBs are stored on / than filelight. |
| 13:45.17 | Crasp | nj: the kernel one |
| 13:45.18 | greycat | nj: flip a coin. |
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| 13:45.48 | nj | advantages/disadvantages? :D |
| 13:46.00 | xk | kingsley: du --max-depth=1, and following the dirs |
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| 13:46.06 | nj | dw thanks Crasp and greycat :P |
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| 13:46.10 | Sonderblade | streuner_: no luck yet, the log is here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CjpkAt29.html |
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| 13:46.23 | kingsley | xk: Thanks. |
| 13:46.24 | Soeki | yeah but im still wonderign why all of the sudden my root directory disappear |
| 13:46.30 | anabain | I have a problem with my adaptec 19160 (aic7xxx), agfa snapscan 1236s and xsane. Xsane hangs when trying to preview or scan an image. |
| 13:46.43 | casperbca | how can i decompress a tgz file that have /dev/ inside? files referred to character devices, and block devices can't be uncompressed |
| 13:47.06 | trym | i did a apt-get upgrade, and managed to select something wrong concerning fonts, so now my small fonts are a bit f*** up. How do I reconfigure my font manager? |
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| 13:47.38 | idc | what does apt-get upgrade stand dor ? |
| 13:47.42 | idc | stand for* |
| 13:47.47 | greycat | man apt-get |
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| 13:48.08 | anabain | I get a sane_qhead failure message and I don't know if the problem is xsane, sg or aic7xxx. the scanner runs perfectly in w$, and also runs perfectly in Linux if I don't turn it off after having initialized it in w$!!! |
| 13:48.12 | greycat | xk: cd /; du -kx --max-depth=1 |
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| 13:48.27 | greycat | kingsley: stop asking the same question in two different channels! |
| 13:48.49 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: laptop? |
| 13:48.49 | godless | question : is there a way to remove packages withouth going through the dpkg/apt programs ? Trying to remove it with apt or dpkg gives me : packages is in a very bad incosnistant state and should be reinstalled before being removed. Installing the package also fails |
| 13:48.54 | greycat | xk: without the '-x' he'll get results from other file systems |
| 13:48.56 | Sonderblade | streuner_: yes |
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| 13:49.48 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: did linux-laptop.org have some tips? |
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| 13:49.53 | chris | godless: have you tried installing with a -f option ? |
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| 13:50.51 | godless | chris : yes, the post removal script fails for package frozen-bubble-data (don't need games, this is a server/test machine) |
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| 13:51.14 | WorkRoey | hi |
| 13:51.23 | WorkRoey | my kernel here is compiled with SMP but I don't see 2 CPUs in /proc/cpuinfo (it is P4 with hyperthreading) |
| 13:51.31 | abrotman | !ht |
| 13:51.31 | dpkg | somebody said ht was Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it. |
| 13:51.47 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: what kind of laptop is this? |
| 13:51.55 | chris | godless: weird, the problem is if you remove the package without dpkg or apt you may further damage the apt dbase |
| 13:52.13 | Sonderblade | streuner_: P3 128 mb RAM with mobility-p |
| 13:52.15 | stew | godless: fix the post removal script, its in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 13:52.21 | chris | i ran into this once, i used some combination of apt-get -fm install/remove package |
| 13:52.23 | greycat | CPU_LOBOTOMY? |
| 13:52.30 | antony | just installed xfs-xtt, it's taking 100%cpu, is this normal? been going for a few minutes now |
| 13:52.33 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: modell, manufactor |
| 13:52.34 | WorkRoey | abrotman: oh thank you |
| 13:52.44 | WorkRoey | abrotman: so selecting the SMP debian kernel is not enough |
| 13:52.48 | Sonderblade | streuner_: comap armada e500 |
| 13:52.59 | WorkRoey | greycat: haha |
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| 13:53.02 | WorkRoey | lobotomy. |
| 13:53.08 | abrotman | WorkRoey: i'm not entirely sure .. i'm not lucky enough to have HT stuff |
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| 13:53.53 | chris | workroey: i installed debian on a dual xeon configuration last week, i just apt-get installed a 686smp kernel and it recognized both processors (/proc/cpuinfo thought it was 4) |
| 13:53.59 | WorkRoey | abrotman: thereis a kernel-image-2.6.9-9-em64t-p4 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.9 on Intel EM64T systems |
| 13:54.03 | WorkRoey | chris: interesting |
| 13:54.15 | WorkRoey | chris: what's uname -a say about your kernel? |
| 13:54.16 | idnar | bwahaha @ CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY |
| 13:54.30 | chris | we shipped it to a client actually |
| 13:54.34 | abrotman | WorkRoey: that's not an smp kernel afaik |
| 13:55.12 | abrotman | WorkRoey: you need a -smp kernel .. ie kernel-image-2.6.9-9-em64t-p4-smp |
| 13:55.20 | WorkRoey | Linux vekk 2.6.11-1-686-smp #1 SMP Sun Apr 3 04:15:36 EDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:55.26 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 13:55.27 | WorkRoey | abrotman: that's not SMP? |
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| 13:55.36 | directhex|work | WorkRoey, you have a nocona xeon system? |
| 13:55.41 | WorkRoey | directhex|work: no just p4 |
| 13:55.45 | WorkRoey | directhex|work: no emt64 for me |
| 13:55.47 | xASY | Which port does samba runs on? |
| 13:55.56 | directhex|work | !em64t |
| 13:55.56 | directhex|work | hm |
| 13:56.06 | abrotman | !nocona |
| 13:56.10 | abrotman | !crap |
| 13:56.10 | dpkg | it has been said that crap is if its not crap, its hilarious |
| 13:57.15 | Rambo3 | !what |
| 13:57.16 | dpkg | This! |
| 13:57.19 | directhex|work | dpkg, em64t is Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 13:57.19 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 13:57.25 | WorkRoey | $2655 - Opteron 875 Dual-Core 2.2GHz, so says Pricewatch. |
| 13:57.27 | xASY | Which port does samba runs on? |
| 13:57.27 | WorkRoey | oh my god. |
| 13:57.32 | WorkRoey | !3+4 |
| 13:57.33 | dpkg | 7 |
| 13:57.39 | WorkRoey | !2655*4 |
| 13:57.40 | dpkg | 10620 |
| 13:57.43 | WorkRoey | eek |
| 13:57.46 | Chameleon22 | can anyone suggest to me a very simple wiki i could use to make notes/document development process of an arbitarry project? |
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| 13:58.04 | jm_ | Chameleon22: moinmoin |
| 13:58.09 | chris | chameleon: i think wikimedia is simple but powerful |
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| 13:58.21 | Chameleon22 | ta |
| 13:58.23 | greycat | Chameleon22: apache + webDAV + mozilla. (Not firefox. Real mozilla.) |
| 13:58.33 | directhex|work | that's 8 full cores though. and opteron is fast. |
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| 13:59.35 | taddeus | hi all |
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| 13:59.41 | Chameleon22 | chris: url? |
| 13:59.57 | Chameleon22 | greenfly: sounds like to much work for something i need |
| 13:59.57 | cdc | any idea when KDE 3.4 would be available in Sarge? |
| 14:00.08 | _joey | unlikely |
| 14:00.12 | psyc | does anyone know what is the debian package that has the man pages for the standard libs from C ? like stdio.h , etc |
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| 14:00.32 | greycat | psyc: manpages-dev |
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| 14:00.49 | faber2 | on kernel 2.4.27, x86, whats the ext3 filesize maximum? |
| 14:01.01 | psyc | greycat, thanks ! |
| 14:01.02 | psyc | :P |
| 14:01.04 | taddeus | i'm tryng to install debian using new installer net-install, at the boot kernel can't see mi sata HD, is there a way to solve the problem ? |
| 14:01.05 | godless | problem solved, tnx all, (touch /usr/games/frozen-bubble.wav, then apt-get -f install) |
| 14:01.09 | chris | Chamel: wikipedia.sourceforge.net, it runs on top of mysql i think |
| 14:01.18 | directhex|work | taddeus, type "linux26" at the boot: prompt |
| 14:01.31 | taddeus | directhex|work, tnx |
| 14:01.36 | chris | taddeus: yeah boot 26 if you're booting 2.4, or vice versa |
| 14:01.47 | directhex|work | for sata, use 2.6 |
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| 14:02.56 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: well, iam out of ideas now. |
| 14:04.30 | vaq | Which port does samba runs on? |
| 14:04.45 | greycat | vaq: lsof -i |
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| 14:07.04 | taddeus | tank |
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| 14:07.27 | antony | how can i make an ntfs-mounted disk readable to all users? i tried -o user but no dice. note i'm not interested in writing to the disk. |
| 14:07.33 | taddeus | thanks , it work |
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| 14:07.40 | petemc | antony: umask=022 |
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| 14:08.25 | Justin | !tell antony about vfatrw |
| 14:08.31 | Chameleon22 | chris: cool, will look at it now |
| 14:08.32 | Justin | antony: s/vfat/ntfs/ |
| 14:08.40 | sparr_w | cron is trying to run a task i removed from the crontab. and emailing me every minute when it fails. help? |
| 14:08.41 | WorkRoey | !4*2655.0 + 1*1,296.00 + 4*416.0 |
| 14:08.43 | Justin | antony: and rw -> ro |
| 14:08.50 | WorkRoey | !4*2655.0 + 1*1296.00 + 4*416.0 |
| 14:08.50 | dpkg | 13580 |
| 14:08.52 | WorkRoey | dah |
| 14:09.04 | antony | thanks |
| 14:09.10 | WorkRoey | that's four a 4-dual opteron + motherboard + 4 2 GB RAM options |
| 14:09.16 | petemc | just umask=022 is all thats needed for ntfs... |
| 14:09.18 | WorkRoey | !4*2655.0 + 1*1296.00 + 16*416.0 |
| 14:09.18 | dpkg | 18572 |
| 14:09.27 | WorkRoey | that's four a 4-dual opteron + motherboard + 16 2GB RAM modules (4 per cpu) |
| 14:09.39 | WorkRoey | it'll be $20 30 years from now |
| 14:09.41 | chris | petemc: how do you specify the umask of a mount ? |
| 14:09.45 | petemc | chris: -o |
| 14:09.58 | chris | nice |
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| 14:10.45 | vaq | hmm does anybody know in which packget the script /etc/init.d/iptables-clear is? |
| 14:10.46 | petemc | vaq: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:11.12 | Dewi_ | with iptables, if a packet gets ACCEPTED on the input table, where does it go? |
| 14:11.13 | CrypticSquared | night all |
| 14:11.22 | CrypticSquared | night all |
| 14:11.31 | greycat | Dewi: in. |
| 14:11.41 | jm_ | Dewi: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ |
| 14:11.54 | vaq | petemc: no respond.. from it |
| 14:12.50 | chris | so i'm trying to write an /etc/init.d/ script to start an applicatoin that requires X to be running, but i can't seem to get it working. does x start after all the /etc/init.d/ scripts in debian ? |
| 14:13.05 | petemc | !tell vaq about search |
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| 14:13.43 | xk | there. freebsd finally gone ;) |
| 14:13.51 | xk | now to upgrade woody with 2.2.x kernel |
| 14:13.54 | valdyn | chris: such an application is probably better started via ~/.xsession |
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| 14:15.06 | kingsley | How does one create an MS filesystem so that linux utilities can create files on it with names longer than 8.3? |
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| 14:15.33 | jm_ | kingsley: use vfat |
| 14:15.38 | valdyn | kingsley: mkfs.vfat |
| 14:16.19 | Dewi | if I type iptables -L which table am I seeing? |
| 14:16.25 | xk | all of them |
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| 14:16.53 | jm_ | read the tutorial |
| 14:16.55 | kingsley | jm_: How would one "use vfat"? |
| 14:16.59 | Dewi | xk: so when people refer to the "mangle" "nat" "filter" tables these are just concepts? |
| 14:17.10 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: found a solution yet? |
| 14:17.13 | jm_ | it's also mentioned in the man page |
| 14:17.21 | jm_ | kingsley: see above, valdyn told you |
| 14:17.26 | xk | Dewi: hrm... yes. |
| 14:17.35 | kingsley | valdyn: Has mkfs.vfat worked for you? When I've tried it, it created a filesystem that Win98 couldn't read. |
| 14:17.42 | greycat | kingsley: it's how you *mount* it that matters. |
| 14:17.49 | jm_ | kingsley: of course it works |
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| 14:17.58 | xk | Dewi: iptables is hard to grok ;) took me a while to refine my firewall rules so they're readable. |
| 14:18.06 | Sonderblade | streuner_: no :( and now ive tried everything it seems |
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| 14:18.15 | Dewi | xk: yeah, well, I'm starting from the ipmasq module |
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| 14:18.24 | Dewi | xk: which just defines a nice large number of rules |
| 14:18.25 | xk | ipmasq... are you using 2.2.x? |
| 14:18.27 | kingsley | greycat: Can you be more specific? |
| 14:18.31 | Dewi | xk: gordian knot of them in fact |
| 14:18.34 | Dewi | xk: no, 2.6 |
| 14:18.40 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: according to the log, starting at 232-236 No symbols found, it prolly doesn't work with this driver. |
| 14:18.43 | ambiguous | if I wan't to change my system language to English, how I should do that? Locales doesn't do it... |
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| 14:18.58 | Dewi | it's a module that basically runs a bunch of scripts, leaving you with this enormous tangled web of table rules |
| 14:19.15 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: you use 2.6.8 kernel of debian-installer? |
| 14:19.17 | greycat | kingsley: mounting a FAT file system as type "vfat" is what makes you get long file names. |
| 14:19.22 | Sonderblade | streuner_: yes |
| 14:19.32 | Sonderblade | streuner_: i googled for those errors and they seem harmless |
| 14:19.42 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: try it with VESA |
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| 14:19.58 | Dewi | xk: I'm starting to wish I used a slightly more... versatile frontend. Basically sets up all this crap and after that, you're in the dark |
| 14:20.03 | pzn | Hi. I am using debian mrtg + snmpd to monitor dozens of machines. It is working great. But one of them is a win machine. Do you know a free software implementation of snmpd for windows? |
| 14:20.13 | sparr_w | Cron <root@shaggy> root sensors | grep temp1 >> ~root/temp.log |
| 14:20.23 | sparr_w | crond is emailing me that... where is it getting that command? |
| 14:20.23 | PerfDave | pzn: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ ;) |
| 14:20.23 | xk | Dewi: that's why I dont' bother with those frontends... they produce the most incomprehensible output that is impossible to understand. |
| 14:20.28 | Sonderblade | streuner_: tried Driver "vesa" in Section "Device" but still no DRI |
| 14:20.30 | jethro | pzn: fgi |
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| 14:20.45 | jethro | !fgi pzn snmpd+windows |
| 14:20.47 | dpkg | pzn: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=snmpd+windows |
| 14:20.48 | xk | or those all-in-one scripts. |
| 14:21.02 | Dewi | xk : yeah, but without them, I have to learn iptables. bleh. way over-complicated. |
| 14:21.05 | streuner_ | Sonderblade: forget DRI |
| 14:21.14 | Dewi | xk : I used to get ipchains, but tables just seems unnecessarily complicated |
| 14:21.21 | xk | Dewi: learning iptables is 100 times easier than to understand those scripts. |
| 14:21.32 | xk | Dewi: how complex is your need? |
| 14:21.36 | Sonderblade | streuner_: aye |
| 14:21.37 | xk | like, what do you need. |
| 14:21.38 | Dewi | 1. masq. |
| 14:21.40 | Dewi | 2. forward some ports |
| 14:21.51 | Dewi | 3. (what I'm doing now) want to block some outgoing target IPs |
| 14:21.55 | Dewi | (ad servers and the like) |
| 14:22.00 | Dewi | pretty basic stuff |
| 14:22.10 | jm_ | pzn: snmpd comes by default with server version |
| 14:22.12 | xk | ad servers? why not use squid + adzapper. |
| 14:22.22 | jethro | iptables is not worth learning it, pf rule it all |
| 14:22.22 | valdyn | kingsley: that may be b/c win98 stops scanning for filesystems after the first partition it doesnt know, or somesuch |
| 14:22.23 | xk | Dewi: don't need new tables to do that... I find it unnecessary. |
| 14:22.33 | kingsley | Where are instructions for how to edit /etc/fstab to mount a filesystem as type vfat? |
| 14:22.36 | xk | Dewi: I can give you my script and work from there... it's clean as ;) |
| 14:22.39 | greycat | kingsley: man fstab |
| 14:22.41 | jethro | !stat a packet filter war |
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| 14:23.10 | Dewi | xk: well, I don't think I need new tables... I'm just trying to understand the pages and pages of script I have here to try to insert a simple IP block |
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| 14:23.19 | Lorvija | hey, if chkrootkit says: eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[724]) should i be worried? (: |
| 14:23.20 | kingsley | greycat: You're right. Mounting it as type "vfat" allowed linux to create a file with a long name. Thanks. |
| 14:23.25 | xk | Dewi: forget it... better to start clean and simple |
| 14:23.34 | valdyn | Lorvija: no |
| 14:23.36 | greycat | <-dpkg[~dpkg@dpkg.user] Factoid search of 'start a' by key (14 of 161) |
| 14:23.51 | Dewi | xk: yeah. sooner or later I guess I had to sit down and learn iptables. I might as well do that. |
| 14:23.54 | Lorvija | valdyn okay, what does that mean then? |
| 14:23.54 | xk | Dewi: want my script to use as a basis? |
| 14:24.04 | kingsley | greycat: My man page for fstab is silent on vfat. Perhaps it's obsolete. |
| 14:24.06 | Dewi | xk: yeah, might come in handy. |
| 14:24.17 | xk | I used some web generator as a base... but it was a nice one ;) |
| 14:24.27 | xk | plus I have comments here and there |
| 14:24.31 | xk | Dewi: is dcc ok? |
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| 14:24.43 | Dewi | xk: hopefully, haven't tried it since this script wrote my iptables :P |
| 14:25.01 | xk | what happened there |
| 14:25.03 | valdyn | Lorvija: that dhclient is sniffing your network for dhcp info, and its supposed to do that, I assume ( you ARE indeed using dhcp to set up your network ) |
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| 14:25.27 | Lorvija | valdyn okay thanks for the info |
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| 14:26.07 | kurumin_ | boa tarde a todos |
| 14:26.19 | streuner_ | !br |
| 14:26.19 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:26.19 | greycat | !br |
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| 14:26.54 | streuner_ | kurumin_: and install debian |
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| 14:30.12 | maxxle | I have written a script that is executed during the boot process (to init 3). I have some "read" statements in the script. Why don't I get asked to type something? |
| 14:30.57 | streuner_ | maxxle: what distro do you use? |
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| 14:31.26 | maxxle | SLES9? - But I think the init Process is independent! |
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| 14:33.26 | streuner_ | maxxle: what is SLES9? |
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| 14:33.42 | valdyn | !suse |
| 14:33.42 | dpkg | hmm... suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. |
| 14:33.44 | maxxle | streuner_: Suse Linux Enterprise Server. |
| 14:33.52 | WoodsDog | !slashdot |
| 14:33.55 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (8 of 10): Opera CEO Prepares to Swim across the Atlantic ;; BountyQuest CEO Patenting Lighting Toilet Water ;; Trend Micro Bug Hits Several Important Computers ;; Google Upgrades AdSense ;; Adobe Blasts Nikon's Closed File Format ;; Will America's Favorite Technology Go Dark? ;; Space Station Crew Lands Safely In Kazakhstan ;; Bird Brains Explain How Humans Learn to Talk. |
| 14:34.10 | xk | heh, that still works? |
| 14:34.19 | streuner_ | maxxle: and why do you ask here? |
| 14:34.21 | xk | I haven't read slashdot in like 4-5 months |
| 14:34.32 | xk | it's been microsoftied |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman | xk: it is funny to see the opera guy is going to swim though |
| 14:34.45 | xk | by new generation script kiddies who love microsoft |
| 14:34.48 | jethro | slashdot is just full of trolls |
| 14:34.49 | maxxle | streuner_: Because it's not a SLES9 related question. |
| 14:35.08 | directhex|work | jethro, so is #debian |
| 14:35.10 | streuner_ | maxxle: #linux or such |
| 14:35.19 | jethro | directhex|work: I have no /ignore for slashdot though |
| 14:35.36 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.39 | directhex|work | jethro, sure you do. edit /etc/hosts, make slashdot.org pointo to 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:35.52 | SlayerXP | slashdot has bene pointless for about 2 years |
| 14:35.54 | maxxle | streuner_: It's just a question about the init process. So it's also debian-related. |
| 14:36.03 | jethro | directhex|work: I mean a desscrete one, so that I can read some comments, if any of them is worth it |
| 14:36.12 | SlayerXP | "news for nerds: stuff that's barely relevant and was reported elsewhere last week anyway" |
| 14:36.25 | greycat | "and trolls!" |
| 14:36.34 | jethro | heh |
| 14:36.37 | xk | hehehe |
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| 14:37.10 | PerfDave | Yeah, who needs slashdot when we have Debian Planet? :) |
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| 14:37.15 | SlayerXP | i especially liked when I submitted a story, it was rejected, and then appeared a week later |
| 14:37.24 | xk | surprised a "fried" (randomly corrupts shit) pentium 200 works flawlessly at 166mhz |
| 14:37.27 | jethro | SlayerXP: with someone's name credited? :) |
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| 14:38.12 | Gnea | woo! sarge finally installed on the sparc! except... it..didn't..prompt or ask... about silo... |
| 14:38.15 | Gnea | reinstallation time. |
| 14:38.15 | xk | was some nasty butchering ;) |
| 14:38.29 | CAP1045 | read it anyone please =================== http://rafb.net/paste/results/W6aiqr83.html |
| 14:38.48 | oKtosiTe | Gnea, silo? |
| 14:38.54 | xk | caphuso: it's not in english. |
| 14:38.56 | Gnea | oKtosiTe: yes, silo. |
| 14:38.59 | xk | CAP1045: rather |
| 14:39.00 | Gnea | !silo |
| 14:39.00 | dpkg | it has been said that silo is the Sparc Improved Linux LOader. It is designed to boot GNU/Linux on Sun Sparc hardware. |
| 14:39.28 | oKtosiTe | Gnea, ok, thanks for the info. |
| 14:39.39 | Gnea | oKtosiTe: no problem. |
| 14:39.46 | CAP1045 | the most important is in english |
| 14:40.05 | xk | CAP1045: no it isn't. |
| 14:40.36 | xk | get it in english 100% then I can say what's relevent or not. |
| 14:40.38 | CAP1045 | this is spanish = make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.11' |
| 14:40.47 | Lorvija | hiya. Is there a way to add my linux server as a processor to my windows machine? It's possible between 2 linux machines but how about linux-windows? |
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| 14:40.52 | jethro | CAP1045: LANG=C !! then paste the result |
| 14:40.53 | petemc | Gnea: its not just sitting at the firmware prompt? |
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| 14:41.22 | greycat | CAP1045: use a debian kernel image. |
| 14:41.25 | Gnea | petemc: no, i was able to move it forward |
| 14:41.46 | _joey | what's popular photo album application? |
| 14:41.48 | Gnea | petemc: it actually completed the install and then proceeded to reboot itself without asking about installing a bootloader |
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| 14:41.53 | jethro | _joey: gallery |
| 14:41.58 | Gnea | _joey: gallery or gallery2 |
| 14:42.13 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:42.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:42.22 | PerfDave | Lorvija: You could see if distcc has been ported to Cygwin, or even natively? |
| 14:42.36 | petemc | Gnea: oh, works fine on my sparc station 5s, just dog slow |
| 14:42.39 | Gnea | petemc: so i tried a: boot net-tpe root=/dev/sda2 and it didn't like that |
| 14:42.39 | Lorvija | PerfDave okay thanks, ill search some then |
| 14:42.43 | CAP1045 | thank you |
| 14:43.00 | rking | i have "/dev/hda2 none swap sw 0 0" in my /etc/fstab, but "free" shows "Swap: 0 0 0", what could be up? |
| 14:43.09 | Gnea | petemc: because the esp driver is modular. |
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| 14:43.17 | greycat | rking: swapon -a |
| 14:43.45 | onre | possibly you need to mkswap the partition first if that hasn't been done for some reason |
| 14:43.53 | rking | greycat: hrm... "swapon: /dev/hda2: Invalid argument" |
| 14:43.56 | rking | i guess it hasn't |
| 14:44.10 | onre | whoa. it should say 'no swap space signature found' |
| 14:44.12 | rking | bing! thanks guys |
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| 14:44.38 | greycat | rking: man mkswap |
| 14:44.40 | dos000 | anyone know why pgsql was taken out of php (built with --without-pgsql) in debain ? i am getting a lot of hint in google because there are so many people putting their phpinfo page out there ! |
| 14:44.43 | Gnea | rking: fdisk -l /dev/hda | grep hda2 | awk '{print $5}' <-- what does that return? |
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| 14:44.56 | greycat | onre: the thing that mkswap writes out |
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| 14:45.05 | chris | dos: woa really ? |
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| 14:45.14 | rking | oh, i know why it's this way - i had a working install and transplanted this hd.. bottom line is i did a sort of wacky install |
| 14:45.26 | idc | help please |
| 14:45.33 | Gnea | idc: again? |
| 14:45.37 | greycat | arc1:/# apt-cache search php pgsql |
| 14:45.38 | idc | if you wanna change your locale |
| 14:45.39 | greycat | php4-pgsql - PostgreSQL module for php4 |
| 14:45.42 | Gnea | heh |
| 14:45.48 | onre | greycat, that i do know, but what does it contain and is it really necessary at all? :) why not just get the size of device and start pushing pages in. |
| 14:45.50 | greycat | dos000: because it's split into a different package. |
| 14:45.58 | rking | Gnea: 82, but it's working now - i apparently just didn't mkswap |
| 14:46.05 | greycat | onre: I don't know |
| 14:46.12 | Gnea | rking: cool beans |
| 14:46.16 | idc | now i installed locales,well, i use startx to login wmaker,so where should i edit stuff like 'lang=en_US' ... ? |
| 14:46.24 | idc | hi Gnea ,again |
| 14:46.25 | xk | so you can have swap priority and other stuff. |
| 14:46.29 | Lorvija | PerfDave btw, isnt that distcc just for compiling stuff? |
| 14:46.41 | Gnea | idc: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:46.53 | idc | Gnea, done that,new locales have been generated |
| 14:46.53 | PerfDave | Lorvija: Is that not what you want to do? |
| 14:47.10 | maxxle | Use apt-get and aptitude the same database? |
| 14:47.10 | idc | Gnea, but,where to add them in ? |
| 14:47.11 | onre | xk, that's not in the signature. priorities are handled by swapon itself. |
| 14:47.15 | Lorvija | PerfDave nope, picture processing etc.. takes some hours to batch process hundreds of 8mpix photos :/ |
| 14:47.39 | dos000 | greycat, i have php4-pgsql installed ... not sure why this got me worried. |
| 14:47.45 | Gnea | idc: er should be defined in /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 14:47.54 | xk | onre: ahhh... weird... I didn't notice that. |
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| 14:48.01 | idc | Gnea, i mean,things like 'lang=en_US' 'LC_ALL=en_US' 'export LANG LC_ALL=en_US' |
| 14:48.04 | PerfDave | Lorvija: How would you do that between two Linux machines? |
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| 14:48.05 | abrotman | Gnea: i am .. i'm in philly! |
| 14:48.06 | Chameleon22 | howcome SID keeps back php4 and apache 2 updates? |
| 14:48.15 | Lorvija | PerfDave do you know beowulf project? |
| 14:48.16 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 14:48.16 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 14:48.16 | abrotman | Chameleon22: do a dist-upgrade |
| 14:48.20 | _joey | jethro would this be done using gallery, http://photo.hades.uz/ ? |
| 14:48.20 | Gnea | abrotman: i'm sorry :) |
| 14:48.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:48.26 | xk | probably swap signature is so as not to create swap on a device/file by mistake. |
| 14:48.33 | PerfDave | Lorvija: I'm aware of it. Would it help with your photo processing application? |
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| 14:48.38 | Chameleon22 | abrotman: on SID? how come? |
| 14:48.50 | idc | Gnea, /etc/local.gen there has the new locales just being generated |
| 14:48.50 | abrotman | Chameleon22: because a normal upgrade won't install new packages IIRC |
| 14:48.52 | Lorvija | PerfDave yea if that application would support multiprocessor processing.. |
| 14:49.04 | onre | xk, but there's already the partition type for devices... dunno. |
| 14:49.05 | abrotman | Chameleon22: and one of them may require a new package |
| 14:49.15 | directhex|work | Lorvija, you don't want an app with SMP capability, you need batch or MPI ability |
| 14:49.19 | Chameleon22 | abrotman: hrmmm ok, backup time, hopefully it want fuck anything over |
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| 14:49.27 | xk | onre: what about swap files? |
| 14:49.27 | jethro | _joey: http://www.peinard.net/gallery/ that's an example |
| 14:49.31 | Gnea | idc: /etc/environment |
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| 14:49.33 | Lorvija | directhex|work MPI? |
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| 14:49.39 | abrotman | Chameleon22: it's not that much different than a normal upgrade as long as you haven't changed your sources |
| 14:49.47 | abrotman | !mpi |
| 14:49.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, mpi is Message Passing Interface, a parallel programming standard for SMPs and clusters. http://www.mcs.anl.gov/mpi. It is a library specification for message-passing proposed as a standard. MPI was designed for high performance on both massively parallel machines and on workstation clusters. See MPICH and MPILAM. |
| 14:49.50 | xk | onre: partition type/id means nothing really... it's just old cruft that's not worth trusting. |
| 14:49.56 | idc | Gnea, no such file |
| 14:49.58 | PerfDave | Lorvija: If you're batch processing hundreds of photos, then you're probably best off with a simple client-server architecture, such as the one that distcc uses. Knocking up your own client and server using perl or even shell shouldn't be too hard on Linux, and if it uses TCP then it should be interoperable with Windows. |
| 14:50.04 | Chameleon22 | abrotman: nah ept it standart as much as i could |
| 14:50.07 | Gnea | :/etc# cat environment |
| 14:50.08 | Gnea | LANG="en_US" |
| 14:50.14 | directhex|work | nice factoid |
| 14:50.14 | Chameleon22 | abrotman: ept = kept |
| 14:50.16 | Gnea | LANGUAGE="en_US:en_GB:en" |
| 14:50.19 | directhex|work | !factinfo mpi |
| 14:50.19 | dpkg | mpi -- created by poli <poli@200-168-30-125.dsl.telesp.net.br> at Wed Jun 25 04:27:49 2003 (670 days); it has been requested 15 times, last by abrotman, 32s ago. |
| 14:50.25 | onre | xk, well, other commands don't protect user from shooting himself in the foot either, i wonder why this one should, esp. given that it's a rarely used one |
| 14:50.32 | idc | Gnea, i remember it either should be ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession .hmm |
| 14:50.32 | onre | useless speculation though |
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| 14:50.39 | Lorvija | PerfDave well I dont know that much c++ that I could program that... so I need ready program |
| 14:50.44 | abrotman | Chameleon22: oh ok |
| 14:50.45 | onre | i'll go do something worthwhile such as poisoning my lungs with cigarette smoke |
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| 14:50.57 | Gnea | idc: no that just tells X what to load - that might do it but i doubt it... |
| 14:51.08 | Gnea | onre: enjoy. |
| 14:51.12 | anabain | Gnea, hi |
| 14:51.14 | PerfDave | Lorvija: Well, you don't want beowulf. |
| 14:51.22 | Gnea | anabain: hiya, any luck? |
| 14:51.25 | Chameleon22 | abrotman: oh well will give it a squeez...lets see what happen |
| 14:51.31 | idc | oh |
| 14:51.33 | PerfDave | Lorvija: Might be interesting to see if you could do it as a "jpeg" backend for distmp3enc ;) |
| 14:51.34 | Lorvija | PerfDave hmm okay, want to explain why? (: |
| 14:51.35 | abrotman | Chameleon22: yay |
| 14:51.37 | rking | environment variables "export"d in ~/.xsession|~/.xinitrc will be present |
| 14:51.37 | dli | I have a string like "head_42937", how to use cut to get "head" and "42937" ? |
| 14:51.50 | abrotman | Chameleon22: if you do a -u .. it will show you what it is giong to do |
| 14:51.51 | anabain | Gnea: I have read the message, but it didn't help, :( |
| 14:52.01 | xk | dli: echo head_42937 | cut -d_ -f2 :) |
| 14:52.03 | scorphus | does the nvidia-glx module work with kernel 2.6? |
| 14:52.05 | idc | Gnea, ok thanks anyway,i will leave this Q to tomorrow i came in here :D |
| 14:52.06 | Gnea | anabain: ah sorry, i don't know what else then :/ |
| 14:52.10 | xk | er, -f1,2 |
| 14:52.19 | Lorvija | PerfDave well do you know if there is a program with what I could run psp/ps cs scripts in linux server in shell prompt.. |
| 14:52.20 | Chameleon22 | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:52.23 | idc | gotta go to sleep :( see ya all |
| 14:52.24 | Lorvija | would be enough too |
| 14:52.26 | directhex|work | Lorvija, your job sounds like a large number of batch jobs. beowulf is relevant for distributed jobs over MPI |
| 14:52.26 | Gnea | odcheh ok |
| 14:52.29 | anabain | Gnea: the controller syncs with ASYN value and 8 bits |
| 14:52.30 | Gnea | ah |
| 14:52.31 | Gnea | sleep |
| 14:52.35 | PerfDave | Lorvija: I don't thing it's solving the problem you want. |
| 14:52.36 | directhex|work | scorphus, as of about 2.6.0-test9 |
| 14:52.45 | Lorvija | directhex|work okay |
| 14:52.51 | PerfDave | Lorvija: You could run PSP under emulation, perhaps. |
| 14:52.53 | dli | xk: thanks a lot :) |
| 14:52.55 | idc | Gnea, -_- evening here :) bye |
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| 14:53.01 | Gnea | idc: later |
| 14:53.12 | Lorvija | PerfDave yea, but i guess it would be impossbile to run from shell? |
| 14:53.19 | directhex|work | a few well places "convert" commands would do the job. a parallel shell is the biggest boon. |
| 14:53.22 | xk | dli: if you want to manipulate it... better to use awk... but i'm not an awk user/expert. |
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| 14:54.49 | scorphus | directhex|work: thx |
| 14:55.13 | dli | xk: I usually use C, the only thing I feel in control :( |
| 14:55.37 | PerfDave | Lorvija: Why would you need to run it from the shell? |
| 14:55.50 | Lorvija | So there isn't any program with what I could add my linux server to my windows machine as another processor so I could use multiprocessor capability of some programs? |
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| 14:56.02 | Lorvija | PerfDave faster (: though I could use vnc or similar too |
| 14:56.15 | xk | heh... strtok() not useful? |
| 14:56.30 | directhex|work | Lorvija, sounds like you really don't understand about how multiple processor computing works. the answer is a definite "no" |
| 14:56.46 | Lorvija | PerfDave plus running X etc would eat pretty much power.. |
| 14:56.53 | Lorvija | directhex|work okay right (: |
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| 14:57.23 | Lorvija | directhex|work and true, i dont know that much, just some which I've read but it seems i've understood it wrong... |
| 14:57.35 | Sonderblade | i can't find the deb for jedit but i'm sure there should be one |
| 14:57.41 | PerfDave | Lorvija: You don't have to run X locally. But as directhex says, you probably can't do what you want to do. |
| 14:58.00 | directhex|work | photoshop and paint shop pro have some basic SMP ability. you'd need NUMA. you can't combine machines together & get NUMA/SMP. not on your budget anyway, and not on windows-capable harwdare |
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| 14:58.37 | Lorvija | okay directhex|work |
| 14:58.42 | directhex|work | i think UNICOS/lc can do it, on the Cray XT3 |
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| 14:59.39 | abrotman | directhex|work: i think unisys can do that |
| 14:59.43 | qwertz | Hi! Id like to have to total size of some files in a directory "du -hs backup-2004*" lists each file with it's size and "du -hs backups/backup-2004*" does the same so is there another parameter to du or some other way to get the total size? |
| 14:59.44 | abrotman | with win32 i mean |
| 14:59.50 | Lorvija | I'll just install programs needed to my linux server using wine or something and process half on the other and half on the other machine.. thanks for the help PerfDave and directhex|work |
| 14:59.56 | dli | xk: I use while(*pstr != |
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| 15:00.15 | Gathond | qwertz: yes, look in man du for total |
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| 15:00.35 | directhex|work | abrotman, i've only seen white papers on unisys's big conjoined-numa systems |
| 15:00.42 | jethro | !numa |
| 15:00.43 | dpkg | hmm... numa is better then SMP any day!, or non-uniform memory access - distributed memory |
| 15:00.53 | jethro | sounds good |
| 15:00.56 | directhex|work | abrotman, until i speak to a salesman, i'm withholding judgement |
| 15:01.31 | abrotman | directhex|work: note "think" :) |
| 15:01.39 | qwertz | Gathond, thanks should take a weekend |
| 15:01.57 | onre | unisys bought out this one company (was it sequent?) who had fairly good x86-based NUMA systems |
| 15:02.14 | onre | dunno what runs on unisys's NUMA systems though, sequent boxes used to run dynix |
| 15:02.26 | scorphus | what is the diff among kernel-image-2.x.xx-x-k7 and kernel-image-2.x.xx-x-k7-smp? |
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| 15:02.29 | abrotman | onre: windows afaik |
| 15:02.36 | directhex|work | again, all i've seen is white papers on modern approaches (bonded opteron hypertransport bus rings) |
| 15:02.40 | abrotman | onre: some windows you can't buy in a box .. |
| 15:02.50 | p2-mate | onre: sequent was bought by IBM |
| 15:02.53 | onre | abrotman, i see. |
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| 15:03.27 | onre | p2-mate, oh. happen to remember from where did unisys buy their numa stuff? damn failing memory. |
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| 15:03.51 | p2-mate | onre: did they buy it ? |
| 15:04.11 | abrotman | i thought they developed it |
| 15:04.16 | onre | oh. |
| 15:04.20 | p2-mate | toresbe: :) |
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| 15:04.31 | directhex|work | cray aren't cool anymore |
| 15:04.35 | directhex|work | the XD1 is pretty crappy |
| 15:04.40 | greycat | toresbe: oh yeah??? well... kneel before the power of my combined army of 8 year old HP-UX PA-RISC boxes!! |
| 15:04.43 | directhex|work | bring back crays you could use as sofas :/ |
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| 15:05.44 | abrotman | greycat: bah .. kneel before the power of my 10year old x86 "servers" :) |
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| 15:05.55 | toresbe | gråWhen a friend of mine gets the new motherboard I'll get shell on a HP-UX box, too! so there! |
| 15:06.10 | abrotman | hp-ux or just pa-risc ? |
| 15:06.15 | petemc | http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/alpha.mov - video of my alpha server 2100s |
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| 15:06.55 | xk | abrotman: 10 year old? my 486 is 10 years old this month! thinking about retiring it this/next week ;) |
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| 15:07.11 | abrotman | xk: i have one of those too .. older than 10 years .. and it's running sarge :) |
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| 15:07.23 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 15:07.29 | abrotman | xk: but it's not in my office .. we have some older machines doing fringe stuff .. like hylafax etc |
| 15:07.37 | xk | heh |
| 15:07.52 | Aronofsky | in debian, what is the conf file to specify the domain on the network the machine belongs |
| 15:07.56 | abrotman | hey .. how much Horsepower do you need to recieve faxes :) |
| 15:08.05 | toresbe | petemc: Is that a PDP11? |
| 15:08.35 | PerfDave | Aronofsky: What sort of domain do you mean? The default DNS search domain? The Windows workgroup? |
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| 15:08.41 | petemc | toresbe: nah, 2 digital alpha server 2100s, and a few vax stations (and some xboxes) |
| 15:08.54 | xk | I'm going to have a beast of a p1 box... I'll try and get 512megs ram into it ;) |
| 15:08.57 | onre | i actually have an 11/24 |
| 15:09.00 | streuner_ | petemc: hehe :-) |
| 15:09.06 | scorphus | frothose who don't know, the smp as in kernel-image-2.x.xx-x-k7-smp means Symmetric Multi-Processor |
| 15:09.07 | toresbe | nah, just looked like it |
| 15:09.15 | scorphus | s/frothose/for those/ |
| 15:09.18 | toresbe | onre: nice |
| 15:09.25 | rking | Aronofsky: well... there's /etc/resolv.conf's "domain foo.bar." so you can access "xyz.foo.bar" just as "xyz", if that's what you're looking for |
| 15:09.27 | asg | scorphus: we could never have figured that out in a million years |
| 15:09.42 | scorphus | asg: =) |
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| 15:09.50 | rage | I dont suppose anyone here knows where I could download all the current rfcs in some compressed format? |
| 15:09.53 | toresbe | onre: Running anythinc on it? |
| 15:09.57 | onre | toresbe, yup. fun to play with occasionally. 192kB of memory and everything :) |
| 15:09.58 | aidehua | Why is the firefox logo not foxy in sarge? |
| 15:09.59 | sparr_w | how can i reconfigure exim as a 'real' MTA? so i can let my apps send out emails |
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| 15:10.07 | anabain | somebody who knows about scsi could help me with a debugging file of aic7xxx driver? |
| 15:10.11 | onre | toresbe, i have a hacked v7 unix on disk packs. |
| 15:10.18 | asg | sparr_w: eximconfig (v3), dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (v4) |
| 15:10.20 | toresbe | onre: So it's got the 18bit MMU? |
| 15:10.20 | greycat | sparr_w: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (sarge) |
| 15:10.21 | ix | toresbe is a GEEK! |
| 15:10.22 | onre | toresbe, though i rarely power it up for obvious reasons related to electric bill. |
| 15:10.25 | onre | toresbe, yup. |
| 15:10.35 | rage | aidehua: The artwork in Mozilla Firefox is none-free, the version in sarge is using free artwork :-) |
| 15:10.42 | abrotman | aidehua: something to do with the rights to the logo |
| 15:10.42 | toresbe | ix: You here? |
| 15:10.48 | ix | yuep. :) |
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| 15:10.58 | Aronofsky | rking, no im looking where to specify the domainof my machine |
| 15:11.03 | toresbe | ix: I thought you were a Gentoo user! |
| 15:11.06 | rage | by free, I mean, its not Debian free :-) |
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| 15:11.14 | ix | no, no, no - you have misunderstood! |
| 15:11.19 | dougsko | anybody know why wlan0 wouldnt show up under iwconfig after i modprobe ndiswrapper? |
| 15:11.19 | ix | I'm a gentoo/debian-user :) |
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| 15:11.30 | toresbe | suure |
| 15:11.31 | abrotman | petemc: i think i know your problem |
| 15:11.31 | PerfDave | Aronofsky: What sort of domain do you mean? The default DNS search domain? The Windows workgroup? |
| 15:11.34 | pabs3 | rage: apt-get install doc-rfc |
| 15:11.44 | aidehua | Ugh (reason = the law) |
| 15:11.49 | rage | pabs3: haha oh awesome :-) its in the cache |
| 15:11.50 | dougsko | it has worked before, but for some reason the other day it stopped |
| 15:11.51 | toresbe | onre: I have a crappy little LSI-11 |
| 15:11.54 | abrotman | the law won ... |
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| 15:12.01 | rage | thanks :-) |
| 15:12.05 | aidehua | Is it trademarks? Firefox's name trademark != Firefox's logo trademark? |
| 15:12.06 | petemc | abrotman: i like to hoard |
| 15:12.11 | rking | Aronofsky: i'm not sure if i understand, but if you want your machine to be accessible via a certain DNS name, you'll have to set that up on a DNS server. |
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| 15:12.23 | abrotman | petemc: no .. You're apparently working with tornadoes *inside* your apartment |
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| 15:12.29 | abrotman | err tornados |
| 15:12.30 | onre | toresbe, i believe there's an LSI-11 on 24 cpu card too. |
| 15:12.30 | toresbe | onre: With a CPU, RAM, and an SLU and that's it |
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| 15:12.45 | petemc | abrotman: tornados? |
| 15:12.48 | ix | toresbe runs debian on a PDP11 |
| 15:12.50 | ix | no doubt! |
| 15:12.50 | Aronofsky | PerfDave, what is exactly the default DNS search domain ? |
| 15:12.54 | abrotman | petemc: either that .. or you're one messy guy :) |
| 15:12.54 | onre | toresbe, some sort of controller board or something? |
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| 15:13.03 | petemc | abrotman: ahh, yeah - the latter :) |
| 15:13.07 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:13.11 | onre | toresbe, unibus or qbus or no bus at all? :) |
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| 15:13.17 | p2-mate | debian on a PDP11, hmm :) |
| 15:13.17 | anabain | has anybody debugged aic7xxx drvier ever? |
| 15:13.20 | pabs3 | rage: hmm, the deps don't pull in all the doc-rfc* packages, so do a search |
| 15:13.20 | greycat | Aronofsky: it's what makes "ping fred" work (changes it to "fred.your.domain") |
| 15:13.23 | petemc | abrotman: thats all stuff im working on tho |
| 15:13.27 | PerfDave | Aronofsky: It's the thing which allows you to use "host foo" instead of "host foo.mydomain.com" |
| 15:13.27 | toresbe | ix: Manoj said that they wouldn't support it :( |
| 15:13.28 | abrotman | petemc: video games ? |
| 15:13.35 | ix | toresbe, aaw :/ |
| 15:13.40 | kippi | hi, I am trying to download debian whist it installs, is there a simple manual to explian how to do this? |
| 15:13.41 | ix | that would be really cool. |
| 15:13.46 | petemc | abrotman: i do a bit of work on xboxes |
| 15:13.55 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
| 15:13.56 | PerfDave | kippi: What do you mean? Doing a netinstall? |
| 15:14.03 | abrotman | petemc: linux on xbox .. or modding ? |
| 15:14.07 | petemc | modding |
| 15:14.14 | toresbe | onre: The QBUS was originally named the LSI11-bus, so... ) |
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| 15:14.19 | kippi | PerfDave: yep, I can't seem to get it to connect to the net to download the files |
| 15:14.27 | Aronofsky | PerfDave, and where do you specify that ? |
| 15:14.32 | reagleBRKLN | debian swirl: http://goatee.net/photo/web/2005/04/24-brooklyn-botanical-garden-swirl.jpg |
| 15:14.37 | toresbe | But I have a Uni/Q converter |
| 15:14.41 | onre | toresbe, ack :) |
| 15:14.56 | ix | toresbe, might be doing my last year of videregående in oslo |
| 15:14.58 | onre | toresbe, now that's something. happen to got a spare unibus scsi adapter? my 11/750 wants one. |
| 15:15.00 | rage | pabs3: ta, that got me what I want |
| 15:15.04 | PerfDave | Aronofsky: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:15.04 | toresbe | ix: Cool!! |
| 15:15.12 | ix | if the economy approves it |
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| 15:15.19 | PerfDave | kippi: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 15:15.23 | toresbe | onre: Hehe, nice try ;) |
| 15:15.46 | Aronofsky | PerfDave, and what is the hostname file for ? |
| 15:15.49 | onre | toresbe, hah, yup. it's scary that there are still companies listing them for sale for prices exceeding $1000. |
| 15:15.55 | toresbe | onre: Those go for A Lot Of F*ing Money nowadays |
| 15:16.03 | onre | sync :P |
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| 15:16.07 | toresbe | hehe |
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| 15:16.11 | PerfDave | Aronofsky: man hostname |
| 15:16.12 | p2-mate | onre: make one yourself :) |
| 15:16.31 | toresbe | p2-mate: Someone is working on it |
| 15:16.34 | mozrat | hey guys - on mailman in debian can I set the To: address to be the list members mail address, not the address of the list itself? |
| 15:16.35 | onre | p2-mate, i've actually toyed with idea... seen unibus specs floating around? |
| 15:16.56 | toresbe | p2-mate: Trick is, it needs to emulate the MSCP |
| 15:17.02 | onre | there's this one really kludgey project of attempting it, the guy behind it doesn't apparently know how to do bus interface logic. |
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| 15:17.09 | ix | toresbe: IKT-driftsfag! :DDD |
| 15:17.16 | toresbe | the Mass Storage Controlr Protocol |
| 15:17.26 | p2-mate | onre: I guess they should be available ? |
| 15:17.30 | ix | you *really* should be taking this with me, toresbe. |
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| 15:17.47 | kippi | PerfDave: yep, but it dosn't seem to like my network cards |
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| 15:17.50 | toresbe | ix: Yeah, that would r0k~ |
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| 15:18.01 | ix | what education do you have ATM? |
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| 15:18.23 | p2-mate | toresbe: should be possible with some electronic glue (read FPGA) :) |
| 15:18.29 | onre | p2-mate, quick google reveals that maybe... my former employer probably has them. |
| 15:18.36 | Chameleon22 | abrotman: yay, seems like it worked fine |
| 15:18.40 | onre | fpga exactly. |
| 15:18.46 | toresbe | yeah |
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| 15:18.56 | onre | and some ncr chip to do the scsi thing. those have nice interfaces. |
| 15:19.10 | PerfDave | kippi: What network card do you have? |
| 15:19.18 | onre | though for 'authenticity' i'd prefer slapping a m68k or something similar on it :P |
| 15:19.25 | onre | for MSCP, that is. |
| 15:19.40 | onre | i had a qbus scsi controller that had one. :> |
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| 15:19.51 | christouf | hello ^^ |
| 15:19.52 | toresbe | hehe, yea |
| 15:19.59 | i10neorg | Doing a chroot install as outlined in the sarge install manual appendix C. All seems well, but get a kernel panic when booting to the new install. |
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| 15:20.08 | p2-mate | you could also do fibrechannel :) |
| 15:20.10 | kippi | PerfDave: 3Com® and NVIDIA® LAN |
| 15:20.17 | i10neorg | Root is on a promise SATA controller. |
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| 15:20.20 | toresbe | onre: You really should join #classiccmp :) |
| 15:20.28 | p2-mate | and attach some big storage system to the PDP :) |
| 15:20.33 | i10neorg | I see sata_promise in the initrd's loadmodules. |
| 15:20.34 | onre | toresbe, oh, there's such? shall do it immediately |
| 15:20.45 | toresbe | a channel for loonies like us :) |
| 15:20.48 | onre | great |
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| 15:20.58 | directhex|work | i10neorg, what have you configured as the root device in your boot loader? |
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| 15:21.25 | i10neorg | I tell the kernel that root (via lilo) is /dev/sda2, as seen in my existing install. |
| 15:21.27 | onre | or actually, hm. |
| 15:21.35 | directhex|work | kippi, which version of debian are you trying to use? |
| 15:21.36 | onre | unibus ide controller. |
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| 15:22.11 | PerfDave | kippi: Hmm, what model of 3Com? |
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| 15:22.16 | FarrisG | is there a package in debian for ANY sip/soft phone that works at all with asterisk? |
| 15:22.25 | directhex|work | this is gonna be nforce-2-on-woody. |
| 15:22.34 | mozrat | FarrisG: linphone? |
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| 15:22.55 | kippi | PerfDave: 3.0 |
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| 15:23.22 | PerfDave | kippi: "3Com 3.0"? |
| 15:23.25 | directhex|work | i win! |
| 15:23.25 | sparr_w | Do I have to specify anything here if I am not relaying anything from the internet? Please enter here the domains for which you accept to relay the mail. Such domains are domains for which you are prepared to accept mail from anywhere on the Internet. Do not mention local domains here. The domains you enter here should be separated by colons. Wildcards may be used. Domains to relay mail for: |
| 15:23.28 | directhex|work | winnar! |
| 15:23.39 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 15:23.39 | dpkg | it has been said that woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 15:23.43 | directhex|work | "d-i kippi |
| 15:23.45 | directhex|work | bah |
| 15:23.47 | directhex|work | !d-i kippi |
| 15:23.47 | dpkg | kippi, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:23.59 | toresbe | afk taco 0kf00d |
| 15:24.04 | toresbe | etc :P |
| 15:24.08 | dli | can I do, ssh box "job1 & ; job2" ? |
| 15:24.09 | i10neorg | directhex|work: root=/dev/sda2 |
| 15:24.12 | zuralin | I am using the 2.6.11 kernel and whenever I try to burn audio cd's using cdrecord or cdrdao the process goes painfully slow (about 1% an hour). I have udma2 (max) enabled on the drive and burning data cd's is not a problem. Any Idea's of what could be wrong? |
| 15:24.31 | directhex|work | i10neorg, hm, sounds rational. dunno then. |
| 15:24.42 | i10neorg | directhex|work: Thanks anyway. |
| 15:24.51 | rking | dli: i think so. worst case is you'll have to make a script on that machine that includes both commands |
| 15:25.35 | useruser | dli: omit the ; |
| 15:25.41 | i10neorg | I know. I've read people having problems because their loadmodules ins't right, but I do see sata_promise listed there, and it looks like I don't have to list its dependencies. |
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| 15:25.48 | rking | dli: yes, you can do it - just confirmed, but like useruser says, it's weird to have & and ; |
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| 15:26.01 | i10neorg | And I've varified the modules it does need are in the initrd |
| 15:26.10 | greycat | rking: not weird. a syntax error. |
| 15:26.14 | dli | rking: job1 and job2 and both long strings |
| 15:26.19 | greycat | dli: ssh box "job1 & job2" |
| 15:26.31 | rking | greycat: oh, in bash it is |
| 15:26.32 | greycat | dli: length is not important. |
| 15:26.35 | rking | greycat: works in zsh |
| 15:26.39 | dli | greycat: jobs and string with parameters |
| 15:26.39 | i10neorg | I've also read about the kernel putting the drives under different places, sda, hda, hde... |
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| 15:27.04 | christouf | re |
| 15:27.15 | rking | dli: take out the ; after the &, and it should work |
| 15:27.15 | i10neorg | But I don't know how to see while its booting whether it's loaded the sata_promise, and if so, what dev my drive got assigned to. |
| 15:27.16 | dli | greycat: job2 is "disown -a", otherwise ssh wont release |
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| 15:27.27 | dli | rking: thanks, trying |
| 15:27.29 | christouf | excusez moi existe t-il un package deb pour msn ? |
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| 15:27.39 | christouf | oups sorry |
| 15:27.51 | mikeX | christouf, yes, many actually |
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| 15:28.06 | mikeX | christouf, gaim, amsn, and some other kde applications |
| 15:28.10 | melita | pozdrav |
| 15:28.16 | christouf | sorry, does exist some package deb for msn please ? |
| 15:28.20 | directhex|work | kopete, bitlbee |
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| 15:28.23 | melita | hello |
| 15:28.25 | dli | rking: still weird :( |
| 15:28.33 | jethro | christouf: apt-cache search msn |
| 15:28.40 | rking | dli: privmsg me the command & error message, if you like |
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| 15:29.11 | rking | christouf: in general, if you have a question like, "is there a package for foo?", you can do: apt-cache search foo |
| 15:29.23 | christouf | ok thx |
| 15:29.34 | antony | i've added <dir>/usr/local/share/fonts</dir> to /etc/fonts/local.conf, run fc-cache, and fc-list still doesn't display the extra fonts. how to debug? |
| 15:29.37 | christouf | sorry for my newbisme |
| 15:29.52 | vanboven | Hi, I have a question. I have two Debian boxes, one serves two shares with Samba. When I copy files to the mounted shares, there is first a pause roughly the length of how long the copy will take, then the copy finishes. Strangely this does not happen when I mount the shares using the cifs fs type. Anybody any idea? |
| 15:29.54 | i10neorg | The initrd gets build during install of a kernel-image*.deb, right? So as long as I installed the kernel-image while chroot'ed to my target install, it should be fine, right? |
| 15:29.54 | jethro | christouf: being a noob is not an excuse |
| 15:29.58 | dli | rking: "nohup mosrun -h /usr/local/bin/mpd -h $headhost -p $headport 2>&1 </dev/null & disown -a |
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| 15:30.26 | rking | dli: ..and the error? |
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| 15:30.35 | scorphus | thanks for mantaining the dpkg bot, it answers 90% of my questions. great job |
| 15:30.35 | dpkg | scorphus: de rien |
| 15:30.37 | dli | rking: ssh wont release the term |
| 15:30.45 | dli | rking: no error, it hangs |
| 15:30.48 | rking | dli: ahh |
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| 15:31.05 | dli | rking: that means disown is not executed |
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| 15:31.37 | resiak | dli: I'm pretty sure mpd does fork() and exit(0); |
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| 15:31.58 | dli | rking: is there any way for ssh to forgot jobs, so I can save disown |
| 15:32.09 | rking | dli: for one thing, take out the </dev/null and make it: ssh ... -n "nohup .." |
| 15:32.12 | dli | resiak, not really, mpdboot doesn't work for me :( |
| 15:32.17 | annakin | what is debian all about? |
| 15:32.23 | resiak | dli: mpdboot, eh? |
| 15:32.23 | caphuso | mpdboot? |
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| 15:32.31 | rking | dli: i ran into this a long time ago... and i think i remember -n having something somehow |
| 15:32.33 | directhex|work | !tell annakin about why debian |
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| 15:32.40 | dli | resiak, the default way to start all mpd |
| 15:32.49 | caphuso | # crontab -l | grep mpd |
| 15:32.50 | caphuso | @reboot mpd |
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| 15:33.17 | resiak | dli: As caphuso says. |
| 15:33.42 | Aronofsky | sorry, still got stupid question about domain, but a machine in a network belongs to a domain , right . |
| 15:33.43 | Aronofsky | ? |
| 15:33.47 | rking | caphuso: ahh, that's kind of cool. i've always just messed with /etc/rc?.? |
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| 15:34.07 | PerfDave | Aronofsky: In what way does it "belong to a domain"? |
| 15:34.49 | dli | caphuso, mpich2 ? |
| 15:34.55 | caphuso | dli: no, mpd |
| 15:35.16 | dli | caphuso, I mean your way is for mpich2? it's not in debian yet |
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| 15:35.21 | resiak | dli: |
| 15:35.22 | Aronofsky | PerfDave, for exemple in windows when you're registerd on active directory , you belongs to a domain ? |
| 15:35.29 | tuxipuxi | could somebody recommend a kde based apt frontend? |
| 15:35.38 | resiak | tuxipuxi: kpackage? |
| 15:35.38 | caphuso | dli: ah, i think we're talking of different mpds |
| 15:35.47 | resiak | dli: You're not talking of musicpd.org ? |
| 15:35.56 | dli | resiak: no, mpich2 |
| 15:36.01 | resiak | Ohhhh. |
| 15:36.08 | annakin | why is aquestion about domain so strupid |
| 15:36.35 | dli | resiak: all this stupid ssh problem, I will try rsh |
| 15:36.39 | gnufan | USB keyfob install --- stops trying to find an ISO to install the installer from, should it be mounting the USB flash stick for this, or do I need more media or something? Anyone done this? |
| 15:37.08 | PerfDave | Aronofsky: Not all computers are registered with an Active Directory domain, even within Windows. |
| 15:37.14 | tuxipuxi | resiak: thanks |
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| 15:37.19 | rking | Aronofsky: that's kind of an extra layer that MS added on top of networks. the concept of "belonging to a domain" isn't that low-level. basically, you just have a little pinch of machines that can talk to each other. that's a lan. then, there are ways this lan can talk to the outside world, which starts involving domain names (not the same thing as activedirectory "domain") |
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| 15:37.44 | PerfDave | Aronofsky: It's very simple. A machine has a hostname. This is the name that the machine uses to refer to itself. It shows up in log files and stuff. |
| 15:37.46 | dli | resiak, anyway, rsh won't hang, easy for me |
| 15:38.04 | rking | dli: did you try ssh -n, btw? |
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| 15:38.34 | PerfDave | Aronofsky: Machines have network interfaces. These interfaces can have IPs attached to them. Some of these IPs may have domain name entries attached to them, which some other computers may recognise as referring to that machine, but that's determined by the domain name servers, not the machine itself. |
| 15:38.46 | kurumin | oiiiiiiiiiii tuduh bem |
| 15:38.54 | resiak | !kurumin |
| 15:38.54 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 15:39.04 | scorphus | kurumin: vai no #debian-br |
| 15:39.09 | PerfDave | Aronofsky: Some network protocols that run on top of IP, such as NMBD, have "names" associated with the machine. This is how Active Directory etc. works. |
| 15:39.14 | directhex|work | !not supporting kurumin |
| 15:39.15 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support kurumin too. Try #kurumin or donating money to charity. |
| 15:39.25 | dli | rking: oh, I forgot to remove the /dev/null, trying again |
| 15:39.35 | kurumin | oiiiiiiiiiii ow old you? |
| 15:39.51 | scorphus | kurumin: vc vai ser kickado se continuar... |
| 15:39.52 | resiak | -1 |
| 15:40.02 | kurumin | dyti |
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| 15:40.06 | kurumin | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmy |
| 15:40.07 | greycat | kurumin: please stop being an ass. |
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| 15:40.35 | kurumin | eae blz |
| 15:40.48 | dli | rking: hopeless, I still have to disown right? |
| 15:40.51 | directhex|work | greycat, it's odd, but there's a 100% correlation between kurumin users being in #debian and being fucknuggets |
| 15:41.07 | onre | maybe it's given as a freebie with crack. |
| 15:41.08 | kurumin | vai c foder |
| 15:41.14 | kurumin | seu fela da puta |
| 15:41.24 | resiak | directhex|work: It could be argued that the Kurumin user-ness implies fucknuggethood. |
| 15:41.27 | mwelsh | what channel is appropriate for asking questions about the RSA algorithm? |
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| 15:41.58 | scorphus | it is very sad that kurumin users act like this |
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| 15:42.28 | greycat | oh wait, I did that backwards :( |
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| 15:43.01 | Soeki | i dont really think he understands english |
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| 15:43.21 | greycat | hopefully he will understand his IRC client's translation of "the channel demigods have stolen your voice" |
| 15:43.56 | resiak | It might be fun to patch apt to call variations on the theme of "rooooot has landed". |
| 15:44.25 | greycat | !dict kurumin |
| 15:44.27 | dpkg | could not find definition for kurumin |
| 15:44.44 | greycat | !dict kuru |
| 15:44.46 | dpkg | could not find definition for kuru |
| 15:44.55 | greycat | hmm... what's that word I'm thinking of... |
| 15:45.09 | resiak | !dict irritation |
| 15:45.11 | dpkg | Dictionary 'irritation' (1 of 3): The whole body of the arts and sciences composes one vast machinery for the irritation and development of the human intellect. --De Quincey.. |
| 15:45.32 | greycat | it *is* kuru, damn it! |
| 15:45.35 | greycat | @dict kuru |
| 15:45.38 | directhex|work | kuru's a prion disease |
| 15:45.40 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'kuru' (1 of 2): a progressive disease of the central nervous system marked by increasing lack of coordination and advancing to paralysis and death within a year of the appearance of symptoms; thought to have been transmitted by cannibalistic consumption of diseased brain tissue since the disease virtually disappeared when cannibalism was abandoned. |
| 15:45.45 | directhex|work | i win ;P |
| 15:46.19 | scorphus | greycat: kurumin means 'boy' in the ancient Tupy-Guarany language |
| 15:46.26 | directhex|work | knew a girl on a forum who called herself kuru, back when i was an angsty teen. |
| 15:46.33 | resiak | \o/ |
| 15:46.36 | marcello | my mouse won't work in 2.6.8-2-k7 while it is working in 2.4.27-2-k7. How do I solve this? |
| 15:46.54 | scorphus | Tupy-Guarany was (and still is) spoken by brazillian indians |
| 15:46.59 | directhex|work | !2.6 mouse |
| 15:46.59 | dpkg | somebody said 2.6 mouse was modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 15:47.01 | greycat | resiak: that's one hell of a dict quote you got. |
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| 15:47.17 | resiak | greycat: Came out quite well. :) |
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| 15:49.14 | Soeki | "cannibalistic consumption of diseased brain tissue" good god there are VERY weird people in this planet. |
| 15:49.22 | dougsko | lol |
| 15:51.17 | scorphus | wheee |
| 15:52.02 | directhex|work | go go gadget netsplit |
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| 15:54.14 | resiak | \o/ |
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| 15:57.29 | takatumi | !burp |
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| 15:59.54 | zorton | has anyone ported over one of those sexy boot screens like FC when it's running it's /etc/init.d/ scripts? |
| 15:59.54 | sei | hi! |
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| 16:00.08 | jsn | I don't have autofs, subfs/submount, supermount, magicdev or autorun installed... yet any CD/DVD pops out of the drive about 2 minutes after I put them in |
| 16:00.11 | asg | zorton: /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 16:00.22 | zorton | okie dokie |
| 16:00.28 | jsn | I'm runnning sid with 2.6.8 |
| 16:00.50 | jsn | although, I might have devfs, that shouldn't be doing it, should it? |
| 16:01.17 | resiak | !bootsplash |
| 16:01.17 | dpkg | i heard bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf |
| 16:01.21 | resiak | zorton: ^^ |
| 16:01.40 | zorton | thanks |
| 16:01.41 | zorton | got it |
| 16:01.41 | directhex|work | zorton, hard work is involved. ask resiak for help. |
| 16:01.43 | resiak | zorton: FC's one is sick and twisted and uses X. Bootsplash is less sick, less twisted and works like a dream. |
| 16:01.46 | resiak | directhex|work: Heheh. |
| 16:02.17 | jsn | Please help, because this laptop just got taken apart and put back together to replace monitor cable, and I'm simply afraid trying to swtich to udev before i backup (write a backup CD) is insane. |
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| 16:03.00 | kippi | hi |
| 16:03.09 | zorton | uses X? wow! that's nuts |
| 16:03.48 | kippi | when installing sarge it gets a small way though the install and then it seems to crash, the caps lock light on my keyboard starts to flash, any ideas? |
| 16:04.19 | greycat | try a different kernel |
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| 16:04.38 | resiak | zorton: Yes, it is. |
| 16:05.21 | kippi | greencat: how do I do that? |
| 16:05.29 | jsn | Oh, and I *do* have noauto in my /dev/cdrom line of /etc/fstab |
| 16:05.39 | jsn | Why are _blanks_ popping out of the drive, and why does it take two minutes? |
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| 16:09.17 | rezza | Is it possible to switch from a debian-based distro (like ubuntu or mepis) to pure debian simply by using a straight debian sources.list then apt-get updating & apt-get upgrading? |
| 16:09.40 | abrotman | rezza: probably not |
| 16:09.41 | fnoyan | how can i install debian,i am using slackware and confused when trying to find debian ISO images! |
| 16:09.44 | abrotman | !d-i rezza |
| 16:09.45 | dpkg | rezza, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:09.52 | abrotman | fnoyan: workstation or server? |
| 16:10.29 | fnoyan | abrotman : actually for my PC |
| 16:10.47 | Sonderblade | a few gtk programs ends like this: Pango-ERROR **: file shape.c: line 75 (pango_shape): assertion failed: (glyphs->num_glyphs > 0) what is wrong? |
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| 16:10.54 | abrotman | fnoyan: broadband ? |
| 16:10.55 | zuralin | I am using the 2.6.11 kernel and whenever I try to burn audio cd's using cdrecord or cdrdao the process goes painfully slow (about 1% an hour). I have udma2 (max) enabled on the drive and burning data cd's is not a problem. Any Idea's of what could be wrong? |
| 16:11.01 | rezza | abrotman: thanks, I'll have to use the installer then. I was hoping to avoid downtime, but nevermind ;) |
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| 16:11.13 | fnoyan | pardon, my mistake :( |
| 16:11.15 | asg | Sonderblade: the assertion that glyphs->num_glyphs > 0 failed. Disregard the error |
| 16:11.30 | abrotman | rezza: we just can't be certain .. and it's better to have it correct than quick eh? |
| 16:11.32 | asg | Sonderblade: or talk to the Gnome hackers |
| 16:11.37 | Sonderblade | asg: the apps crash with that |
| 16:11.41 | abrotman | fnoyan: mistake ? |
| 16:11.58 | fnoyan | abrotman : yes, i mistyped |
| 16:12.01 | Sonderblade | asg: since more than 1 app crashes with it i figure it must be a debian related issue |
| 16:12.03 | asg | Sonderblade: on what debian system? which apps. |
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| 16:12.10 | abrotman | fnoyan: mistyped ? |
| 16:12.15 | abrotman | fnoyan: you don't want debian ? |
| 16:12.20 | Sonderblade | asg: sarge unstable, xterminal and scite |
| 16:12.27 | asg | Sonderblade: sarge unstable? |
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| 16:12.29 | fnoyan | what is the relation? |
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| 16:12.43 | Sonderblade | asg: or is it sid? |
| 16:12.49 | abrotman | fnoyan: because not everyone has brooadband .. and like to have a full CD set |
| 16:12.58 | asg | Sonderblade: sarge is testing ; sid is unstable |
| 16:13.17 | asg | Sonderblade: and when you say xterminal, do you mean gnome-terminal or xterm? |
| 16:13.33 | Sonderblade | asg: xterminal is an xfce4 terminal |
| 16:13.49 | asg | Sonderblade: well, consult the bts. (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 16:14.08 | fnoyan | abrotman : I just try to learn the diffrence. I have installed slackware lots of times before and new to debian. Just want to learn the way to install,that's all |
| 16:14.37 | abrotman | fnoyan: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 16:15.18 | fnoyan | abrotman : for what? |
| 16:15.20 | kippi | where can i find out about using a differnet kernel when installing sarge? |
| 16:15.40 | abrotman | fnoyan: the installler :) |
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| 16:15.51 | CosmoDad | how can I verify whether a certain debian package I've already installed is also accessible on a debian repository? |
| 16:15.52 | abrotman | kippi: the manual ? |
| 16:16.11 | abrotman | CosmoDad: look with a browser ? |
| 16:16.11 | fnoyan | abrotman : hmm.thnx |
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| 16:16.25 | CosmoDad | abrotman: it's not a public rep |
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| 16:16.50 | lef | erm, there is a little scrip tthat removes entries from init.d, which one is it? |
| 16:16.50 | abrotman | CosmoDad: well .. who's is it ? |
| 16:17.02 | lef | I want to remove /etc/init.d/apache |
| 16:17.05 | stew | CosmoDad: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:17.12 | lef | because I am usign apache2 now |
| 16:17.14 | CosmoDad | abrotman: a private one in a LAN |
| 16:17.37 | abrotman | CosmoDad: using apt-proxy ? |
| 16:17.39 | stew | CosmoDad: or apt-cache policy pkgname |
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| 16:18.13 | CosmoDad | stew: apt-cache search won't help since I have that package installed, I need to verify other ppl can install it as well |
| 16:18.52 | CosmoDad | abrotman: uhm not sure... |
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| 16:19.02 | stew | CosmoDad: no, definately not |
| 16:19.03 | tommi^ | PerfDave, still here? |
| 16:19.17 | stew | CosmoDad: but that factoid mentions 2 methods that would help |
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| 16:19.32 | fnoyan | abrotman : is it 14 CDs! |
| 16:19.44 | bgat | anyone having problems with CUPS in testing? |
| 16:19.50 | bgat | I'm getting this when I use the latest acrobat: |
| 16:19.52 | abrotman | fnoyan: no .. get the 105MB image ... |
| 16:19.59 | bgat | Print file was not accepted (client-error-bad-request)! |
| 16:20.00 | CosmoDad | stew: that will work with this bot only right? |
| 16:20.10 | stew | CosmoDad: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 16:20.16 | bgat | I'm using a Samgsung ML-2151N postscript/ipp printer... |
| 16:20.19 | Kerr | err, where can i get a k7 sarge iso? should i just use i386 ? |
| 16:20.19 | abrotman | fnoyan: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:20.30 | abrotman | use i386 .. then upgrade to k7 after it is installed |
| 16:20.31 | fnoyan | abrotman : i am looking the "full Cd sets" section |
| 16:20.40 | CosmoDad | stew: as I said, it's a private mirror, I cannot use the public search |
| 16:21.03 | abrotman | fnoyan: why? |
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| 16:21.41 | CosmoDad | stew: I just need to verify that the information is not extracted from my local cache but the mirror |
| 16:21.58 | fnoyan | brotman : what is the difference? does full cd set include all the debian software packages that can be installed with apt-get? |
| 16:22.06 | stew | < CosmoDad> how can I verify whether a certain debian package I've already installed is also accessible on a debian repository? |
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| 16:22.10 | stew | i was trying to answer that question |
| 16:22.28 | abrotman | fnoyan: netinst has you get them from the internet .. 14CDs .. you ahve all them on the CD .. if you have broadband .. use the netinst |
| 16:22.58 | CosmoDad | stew: thx I added later this is private debian repository |
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| 16:23.41 | fnoyan | abrotman : so, netinst stands for internet install? Once i install the netinst, it will retrive all reqired packages from internet for me? |
| 16:23.42 | CosmoDad | stew: so I'm looking for a tool that goes like: tell me whether package x is on deb mirror y |
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| 16:23.50 | petemc | CosmoDad: i think aptitude may show info about a packages repository, cant remember how off hand tho |
| 16:24.05 | greycat | CosmoDad: you could examine the lists under /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 16:24.25 | CosmoDad | greycat: on the repository? |
| 16:24.29 | kevinz | how to define which program to open pdf file in gnome? |
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| 16:24.41 | greycat | CosmoDad: after adding the repository and running apt-get update |
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| 16:27.23 | schue | man, i wonder why those ubuntu distro watch numbers are so high. |
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| 16:27.41 | CosmoDad | greycat: thx that did the job |
| 16:28.01 | rking | ingy: (back) |
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| 16:28.04 | rking | durnit |
| 16:28.12 | schue | because they don't match up with the google hits. |
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| 16:29.15 | aysal | Hi, i am new in irc... Are there any sources for openoffice2-debs? |
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| 16:30.45 | fnoyan | does debian support hyper-threading and high memory (like 2GB)? |
| 16:30.59 | dwu | fnoyan thats more of an kernel issue isnt it? |
| 16:31.10 | dwu | if you compile the kernel with right settings it'll work |
| 16:31.15 | dwu | s/an/a |
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| 16:32.03 | fnoyan | i talked to our sysadmin and he decided to switch our servers from Slackware ot a RedHat based system because Slackware does not support Ht and high memory! |
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| 16:32.22 | Oberjaeger | He's lying or an idiot |
| 16:32.38 | fnoyan | :) |
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| 16:33.06 | ignatz | prolly both |
| 16:33.13 | rking | what's Ht? |
| 16:33.22 | ignatz | hyper threading |
| 16:33.26 | rking | hrm |
| 16:33.27 | fnoyan | he said our servers have 2Gb of memory but they can only use 1GB of it! |
| 16:33.37 | ignatz | then he has to recompile the kernel |
| 16:33.40 | petemc | fnoyan: ht is a kernel thing, so slackware does support - your sysadmin seems a bit silly |
| 16:33.40 | ignatz | with high mem settings |
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| 16:33.54 | ignatz | or look for pre built kernel image with highmem |
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| 16:35.04 | Xennzorz | OSOS |
| 16:35.26 | furrywolf | fnoyan: tell him to send me the 1gb he can't figure out how to use. |
| 16:36.03 | m0p | hmm, is gcc 3.4 suitable for compiling Firefox? |
| 16:36.13 | m0p | or should I stick with 3.3? |
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| 16:37.17 | greycat | ask a firefox channel |
| 16:37.31 | greycat | firefox's build is absolutely horrendous |
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| 16:37.53 | furrywolf | firefox is absolutely horrendous. forget "build". :P |
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| 16:38.09 | jethro | m0p: use gcc4 |
| 16:38.13 | stew | m0p: why are you compiling it? |
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| 16:38.33 | xpato | where can i find guidelines about backups= |
| 16:38.35 | xpato | ? |
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| 16:38.44 | m0p | I'm using sarge, no gcc 4 |
| 16:38.54 | m0p | stew: optimised build |
| 16:38.54 | furrywolf | xpato: more=better. general rule for backups. |
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| 16:39.24 | shining_ | what isn't horrendous? |
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| 16:39.55 | ludi | how do I make it so that konqueror opens my homepage each time a new tab is launched? |
| 16:39.57 | greycat | m0p: so you're willing to build firefox yourself but not gcc?? |
| 16:39.57 | pgb | anyone knows of debian on sparc for sunfire servers (the big ones) |
| 16:40.01 | greycat | !pal m0p |
| 16:40.04 | jethro | :)) |
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| 16:40.15 | shining_ | konqueror isn't horendous? |
| 16:40.15 | m0p | I could build GCC |
| 16:40.22 | m0p | but way too lazy |
| 16:40.23 | greycat | DAMN.... I'd build gcc *any* day instead of Firefox! |
| 16:40.25 | furrywolf | pgb: dunno. send me one and I'll do some testing. :P |
| 16:40.34 | jethro | m0p: if you're building firefox, you *must* build gcc before |
| 16:40.35 | greycat | in fact, that's how we *get* gcc on HP-UX. |
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| 16:40.43 | m0p | I already have GCC |
| 16:40.46 | greycat | jethro: why's that? |
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| 16:41.01 | shining_ | *huh* |
| 16:41.03 | jethro | greycat: there's as much point in building both from sources |
| 16:41.17 | myr | Hi Everybody ! |
| 16:41.17 | jethro | in debian at least |
| 16:41.20 | mwelsh | what is the easiest way to take the sqrt of an Integer? |
| 16:41.20 | jethro | I was being sarcastic |
| 16:41.27 | furrywolf | myr: Hi Dr. Nick! |
| 16:41.28 | mwelsh | oops, wrong channel |
| 16:41.28 | greycat | if you've ever tried building firefox on anything *NOT* linux, you'd know why I hate its build system. |
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| 16:42.02 | i3dmaster | Question, where does date command retrieve the time info from? |
| 16:42.03 | myr | I've a problem with my Debian : with some apps, the police is REALLY small, I can't read |
| 16:42.11 | greycat | i3dmaster: the system clock |
| 16:42.11 | myr | What's the matter with it ? |
| 16:42.15 | jethro | building things developped by linux users on other systems is a pain, dunno if firefox is, but chances are it is |
| 16:42.16 | Xennzooz | OSOS/ |
| 16:42.24 | shining_ | greycat: bsd doesnt count ? |
| 16:42.28 | i3dmaster | greycat: what device control the system clock then? |
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| 16:42.33 | greycat | i3dmaster: the kernel |
| 16:42.38 | furrywolf | myr: police? I think you got the wrong word there... |
| 16:42.46 | greycat | shining_: oh, it's probably got a "port" for the common BSD flavors. |
| 16:42.56 | shining_ | greycat: yep |
| 16:42.58 | i3dmaster | greycat: so its not controlled by hardware sounds like |
| 16:43.00 | greycat | shining_: I tried firefox 1.0 on HP-UX 10.20. WOW, what a horrendous mess. |
| 16:43.06 | shining_ | I see |
| 16:43.14 | greycat | i3dmaster: what the HELL are you actually asking? |
| 16:43.15 | Dewi | i3dmaster: probably is. but no guarantees. |
| 16:43.18 | myr | furrywolf : that's possible (I'm french), I mean the size of the text on the screen... |
| 16:43.34 | i3dmaster | greycat: try to learn |
| 16:43.42 | onre | greycat, s/firefox 1.0 on// and the sentence is still true |
| 16:43.44 | greycat | learn what? |
| 16:43.55 | jethro | hpux is great |
| 16:44.01 | greycat | onre: HP-UX 10 isn't a "mess"... it's just.... bare. |
| 16:44.09 | furrywolf | myr: police = law enforcement officers. if your law enforcement officers are too small, it's probably not a linux issue. :) |
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| 16:44.21 | frank | hi, i need some help with JasperReports, can anyone recommend a channel for this? |
| 16:44.28 | Dewi | i3dmaster: it's probably coming from the good old RTC or something. |
| 16:44.31 | i3dmaster | greycat: just want to know if date does not give the correct time, what would be the possible reason for that |
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| 16:44.36 | shining_ | furrywolf: fonts |
| 16:44.44 | onre | first release of 10.20 had ~30 world-writable directories and a 'spooladm' user with uid and gid 0 after default install. :) |
| 16:44.47 | Dewi | i3dmaster: perhaps you need to set your system clock |
| 16:44.53 | greycat | !set the time |
| 16:44.54 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers exactly, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 16:44.54 | onre | oh, the 'spooladm' guy had no password. |
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| 16:45.02 | myr | furrywold : Thank you very much :D but that doesn't solve my fontsize problem |
| 16:45.09 | myr | (I've got the word) |
| 16:45.21 | shining_ | lol |
| 16:45.39 | i3dmaster | Dewi: tried, working for a while but not fixing the problem. |
| 16:45.39 | jethro | onre: and linux has like a local DoS a week when it's not local root, now what? |
| 16:45.44 | greycat | dpkg, set the time =~ s/ exactly// |
| 16:45.44 | dpkg | that doesn't contain ' exactly', greycat |
| 16:45.50 | furrywolf | try changing the dpi of the xserver... it's probably set to 100dpi, while 72dpi would be better for your monitor. |
| 16:45.54 | onre | jethro, linux is free. :P |
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| 16:45.58 | greycat | dpkg, set time =~ s/ exactly// |
| 16:45.58 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 16:46.02 | Dewi | i3dmaster: depending on the quality of your motherboard, they can drift out in as little as a week |
| 16:46.07 | i3dmaster | the time will always generally slower down... |
| 16:46.20 | Dewi | i3dmaster: just synch it to the net, like that big block of text told you |
| 16:46.30 | greycat | Dewi: week?!? Wimp! My box at home drifts several seconds a day. |
| 16:46.31 | myr | furrywolf : How can I do this ? Is it with XF86Config ? |
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| 16:46.53 | Gathond | i3dmaster: so do as everyone else install ntpclient of some such to keep the time synced to some external source |
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| 16:47.06 | dli | greycat: in c, can I start a process which is not a child of the current pid? |
| 16:47.30 | jethro | dli: go ask in #c |
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| 16:47.43 | shining_ | yep its a bit off topic :) |
| 16:47.56 | Dewi | dli: everything's gotta have a parent. Doesn't it? |
| 16:48.03 | i3dmaster | Dewi: much much worse than that. My time drift several hours overnight and the worst thing is system does not functional after the time is wrong. |
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| 16:48.22 | greycat | dli: man 3 daemon |
| 16:48.26 | dli | Dewi: yeah, can I make it a child of init? |
| 16:48.30 | Dewi | i3dmaster: that's a bit unusual. But try synching it to the net |
| 16:48.31 | nyetzsche | I'm using 2.6 kernel and have 2 snd cards in my box (one on mobo, one external)... how can I make ALSA ignore the one on mobo? it seems to pick that one up, and ignore my external one by default |
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| 16:48.46 | furrywolf | i3dmaster: just set a cronjob to run ntpdate every minute. I did that on one of my boxes with a very broken rtc. :) |
| 16:48.48 | greycat | dli: or use the well-known double fork trick |
| 16:48.49 | Dewi | dli: I dunno what init might let you do. |
| 16:48.49 | i3dmaster | Gathond: I did, doesn't help. I even manually put cron job to do ntpdate |
| 16:48.53 | cahoot | nyetzsche: simplest is to disable it in bios |
| 16:48.54 | Gathond | i3dmaster: the system should work regardless of what time it thinks it is, unless it is required to interact with something else at specific times |
| 16:49.06 | greycat | Dewi: he's on the wrong path. man 3 daemon, or google "double fork" |
| 16:49.06 | shining_ | nyetzsche: you can disable it in bios, or unload the module maybe |
| 16:49.17 | i3dmaster | furrywolf: every min? |
| 16:49.28 | nyetzsche | not sure if I saw an option in BIOS... might be useful to know what to do in case there isn't |
| 16:49.33 | furrywolf | gathond: I've found some things, such as xscreensaver, do Bad Things if time goes backwards |
| 16:49.35 | Dewi | greycat: cool. I should probably just shut up and stopping contributing to channel spam. |
| 16:49.42 | dli | greycat: not nice, the program is huge in size, 1 GB, couldn't fork |
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| 16:49.50 | Gathond | furrywolf: but only if it jumps rapidly |
| 16:50.08 | i3dmaster | Gathond: well... that's something I do know... |
| 16:50.10 | Gathond | furrywolf: not just because the clock is wrong, it would be the act of resetting it that causes that |
| 16:50.12 | nyetzsche | shining_: any way to automate the unloading? it works (well, I use alsactl every time) but it's a pain to do it on every boot |
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| 16:50.28 | shining_ | nyetzsche: its loaded by hotplug ? |
| 16:50.28 | greycat | dli: then you're doing something dramatically wrong. |
| 16:50.32 | greycat | dli: go ask #c |
| 16:50.43 | nyetzsche | shining_: I'm not sure, but probably... didn't have the prob with 2.4 kernel |
| 16:50.55 | shining_ | nyetzsche: then add it to the blacklist |
| 16:50.58 | Dewi | greycat: is it really a C question? This kind of thing sounds platform-specific. |
| 16:51.13 | shining_ | nyetzsche: /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 16:51.58 | i3dmaster | Gathond: but what I've seen is whenever I work on the box, there is no problem. time always correct, no need to sync anything, but after I leave and not using it overnight, I will find the time is messed up on the second day. |
| 16:52.00 | Dewi | not that it's particularly a debian question though. |
| 16:52.01 | alfonso | ke passssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssa kolegas |
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| 16:52.29 | Dewi | i3dmaster: are you turning it off? |
| 16:52.44 | Gathond | i3dmaster: if you use any clock speed regulator that might make the kernels watch run slower |
| 16:52.46 | i3dmaster | Dewi: NO. I just lock the screen |
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| 16:52.59 | Gathond | i3dmaster: as that probably depends on the CPU cycle length in some form |
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| 16:53.31 | Marcello | !2.6 mouse |
| 16:53.31 | dpkg | i heard 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 16:53.32 | Gathond | i3dmaster: so if your system lowers the clock speed while it is idling then that could cause the clock to slow down by the same factor |
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| 16:53.48 | i3dmaster | Gathond, Dewi.. anyway, what do you guys suggest I should try to test/replace? |
| 16:54.11 | Gathond | i3dmaster: nothing, do as furrywolf suggested |
| 16:54.40 | valdyn | i3dmaster: use ntp to keep your clock correct |
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| 16:54.42 | Gathond | install some sort of time keeping thing to sync with the world every now and then (the more the clock drifts the more often you need to sync) |
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| 16:55.04 | i3dmaster | valdyn: I've had that installed but doesn't help. |
| 16:55.10 | cahoot | i3dmaster: out of interest - got acpi enabled? |
| 16:55.17 | Dewi | i3dmaster: check your BIOS for some kind of dynamic CPU clock speed function? |
| 16:55.20 | i3dmaster | cahoot: well yes |
| 16:55.49 | i3dmaster | Dewi: I checked BIOS, no that kind of function |
| 16:55.52 | valdyn | i3dmaster: doesnt help what? i doubt that ntp "runs" wrong, did it even sync your time to some atomic reference clock? |
| 16:56.12 | Dewi | valdyn: I've heard that NTP doesn't always cope with big time wrongness. Best for small tweaks. |
| 16:56.24 | Gathond | i3dmaster: then ntp did either not run, or not run often enough |
| 16:56.28 | i3dmaster | valdyn: I have ntpdate started but that seems like only run once when booting. |
| 16:56.33 | pipeline | i3dmaster: ntp will correct your system little by little, over weeks and weeks. |
| 16:56.34 | Dewi | i3dmaster: turn off power saving features |
| 16:56.36 | Gathond | Dewi: that is a question of syncing often enough :) |
| 16:57.03 | valdyn | Dewi: nah, it fixes time even if its totally wrong, but it does so in steps that try to be relatively safe for programs running |
| 16:57.12 | cahoot | Gathond: shouldn't ntp run as often as needed 'by itself' ? |
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| 16:57.33 | valdyn | i3dmaster: right,ntpdate is no good idea to use except on bootup |
| 16:57.34 | i3dmaster | Dewi: I've been turn off APM and ACPI from booting up scripts. But I cannot turn of ACPI from BIOS. There is no choise to disable it |
| 16:57.37 | Gathond | cahoot: I think it is fixed interval |
| 16:57.37 | pipeline | Gathond, Dewi, i3dmaster: We're all talking about two separate things: ntp and ntpdate |
| 16:57.53 | valdyn | i3dmaster: what you need is ntp-simple ( a daemon that gradually keeps your time ok ) |
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| 16:58.11 | i3dmaster | valdyn: ok, then what is the ntp you are talking about? |
| 16:58.22 | i3dmaster | valdyn: oh ok |
| 16:58.25 | valdyn | i3dmaster: apt-get install ntp-simple ( thats it i think ) |
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| 16:58.37 | Gathond | cahoot: more advanced versions of the ntp protocol uses time schew instead of just setting it though, but if the source of the problem it the hardware changing frequency I doubt that works that well |
| 16:58.47 | i3dmaster | valdyn: Let me see if I have that... |
| 16:58.47 | furrywolf | I had a p2 box that did the random-clock-slew thing... some days kept perfectly, other times was completely off... I installed a ntp server on a box with a working clock, and set up ntpdate to run minutely on the one with the dead clock... that way it didn't hammer the friendly local atomic clock. :) |
| 16:58.50 | greycat | !tell i3dmaster about set the time |
| 16:58.52 | valdyn | i3dmaster: ntpdate merely sets the time when you call it, and changing it backwards while your system is running is just unsafe |
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| 16:59.01 | pipeline | Gathond: Your clock frequency is totally unrelated to the CPU frequency. |
| 16:59.12 | valdyn | i3dmaster: so that daemon does this in small steps frequently |
| 16:59.20 | Gathond | pipeline: also in the linux kernels clock? |
| 16:59.25 | cahoot | i3dmaster: tried adding acpi=off to the kernel command line in grub? |
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| 16:59.37 | ludi | how do I make it so that konqueror opens my homepage each time a new tab is launched? |
| 16:59.44 | i3dmaster | greycat: I've tried pretty much all of those.. |
| 16:59.55 | Gathond | I actually had the distinkt impression that the linux kernel runs its own clock and only syncs with the bios one at start/stop |
| 16:59.59 | pipeline | Gathond: The kernel clock is based upon the clock chips available on the board. Either the PC standard clock, or the rtc device if you have one. |
| 17:00.05 | i3dmaster | valdyn: ok I see |
| 17:00.13 | pipeline | Gathond: Yes, it only writes the time to the BIOS at startup and shutdown, but it uses the on-board clock chip all the time. |
| 17:00.19 | Xerex | hi guys, I dont seem to get to change my login screen to something else under xdm, any help ? |
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| 17:00.36 | pipeline | Xerex: dpkg-reconfigure xdm and choose the display manager you want. |
| 17:00.44 | Dewi | hmmm. sleep time. night guys. |
| 17:00.47 | pipeline | Xerex: I suggest gdm; it's a lot nicer than kdm or xdm. |
| 17:00.50 | i3dmaster | cahoot: ok you mean turn off acpi feature from kernel.. I will try that. |
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| 17:01.10 | Xerex | pipeline: I had major crashing problems w/ kdm |
| 17:01.11 | furrywolf | perhaps you have some interrupt problem? when the box is idle, the timer interrupt is getting stuck somewhere? and when it gets other interrupts (i.e. you're using the box), they get through? |
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| 17:02.47 | i3dmaster | valdyn: interesting... when I install ntp-simple, it said I had ntp-refclock and need to remove it. |
| 17:03.09 | Xerex | pipeline: ok it says: system startup links for /etc/init.d/xdm already exist |
| 17:03.16 | valdyn | i3dmaster: thats ok, i dont suppose you have a radioclock connected |
| 17:03.22 | pipeline | Xerex: Then xdm is the default. |
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| 17:03.40 | pipeline | Xerex: You have to have another display manager installed already for it to come up as an option in the menu you get when you "dpkg-reconfigure" xdm. |
| 17:03.45 | i3dmaster | valdyn: k, got it installed, what else should I do to configure it? |
| 17:04.01 | pipeline | Xerex: When you "dpkg-reconfigure" any display manager package, it'll ask you which one to use by default. |
| 17:04.10 | pipeline | Xerex: So install gdm, and it'll let you choose gdm instead of xdm. |
| 17:04.27 | valdyn | i3dmaster: nothing iirc |
| 17:04.52 | Xerex | pipeline: gotcha |
| 17:05.05 | i3dmaster | valdyn: so just install it and it will help to adjust the time automatically right? |
| 17:05.06 | valdyn | i3dmaster: you could change things, like choose a different server to look up in /etc/ntp.conf, but defaults should be alright |
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| 17:05.16 | valdyn | i3dmaster: right |
| 17:05.27 | i3dmaster | valdyn: ok, let me take a look that |
| 17:05.29 | Xerex | pipeline: I will try gdm and let you know how that goes, otherwise I would have to fix the problem with kdm |
| 17:05.33 | pipeline | i3dmaster: If your clock is seriously fucked, such that it doesn't keep good time, running an ntp daemon won't fix. |
| 17:05.42 | pipeline | Xerex: kdm sucks anyway. It's just xdm with a Qt interface. |
| 17:05.43 | ecko | Hey guys I have a question, I keep getting errors about my packages not being able to be authenticated |
| 17:05.44 | valdyn | i3dmaster: and you can look in /var/log/syslog for what it does |
| 17:05.53 | furrywolf | pipeline: my minutely ntpdate fix worked just fine. :P |
| 17:06.06 | pipeline | furrywolf: ntpdate isn't ntpd : |
| 17:06.16 | ecko | is that a problem with debian or did something happen to my machine that's not good? |
| 17:06.27 | valdyn | furrywolf: thats a crude hack compared to ntpd |
| 17:06.31 | Xerex | pipeline: ya everytime I login to it, it crashes back to the login screen, and the log did not help much |
| 17:06.35 | Gathond | pipeline: so? it still solved the problem |
| 17:06.39 | furrywolf | crude hack, correct time. I was happy. :) |
| 17:07.13 | pipeline | valdyn: Nevertheless, it's the correct solution. Running ntpd won't help when his clock is fluctuating. |
| 17:07.43 | i3dmaster | valdyn: k |
| 17:07.44 | furrywolf | mine was random... sometimes it kept perfect time, other times the slew was measured in seconds/minute... I decided the motherboard was toasted. :) |
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| 17:08.17 | i3dmaster | pipeline: then what's your recommendation? |
| 17:08.36 | pipeline | i3dmaster: Set up a cron job to run ntpdate every 15 minutes or something. |
| 17:08.57 | valdyn | pipeline: yea, i gotta agree, ntpd may get confused |
| 17:09.05 | Xerex | pipeline: another thing: I am having problems with setting locales. I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales, but the changes dont take effect. Any suggestions on that ? |
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| 17:09.28 | pipeline | Xerex: Were the locales in question generated before you set the locale? |
| 17:09.42 | pipeline | Xerex: Also, do you have a locale set in Gnome or KDE that's overriding the system default locale? |
| 17:09.56 | i3dmaster | pipeline: ok, well I want to try that ntp-simple and turning off acpi from kernel first.. and if they don't help, I will use cron |
| 17:09.58 | Xerex | pipeline: how do you check for that ? |
| 17:10.17 | Xerex | pipeline: yes I think they were generated b4 |
| 17:10.30 | pipeline | Xerex: Good question. I can't remember how you set the locale for gnome. |
| 17:10.52 | Xerex | well I did dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:11.01 | olecr | how do i specify to the kernel to load the ips.o module prior to mounting the disks? I have compiled the module for the kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel, put it on a disk in /boot and successfully loaded it.. I have even copied it to /target/lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/scsi/ I still get VFS: Cannot open devoce "sda1" or 08:01 ... Please append a correct "root=" boot optioni |
| 17:11.02 | pipeline | That will ask you which locales to generate |
| 17:11.05 | i3dmaster | pipeline: Actually, I've had crontab to run ntpdate every hour, but it doesn't help either... Something seems happen overnight when no once use the box but I found nothing in the logs... |
| 17:11.06 | pipeline | and which locale will be the system default |
| 17:11.18 | pipeline | i3dmaster: That's pretty fucked. :| |
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| 17:11.33 | olecr | I believe that is the reason.. that ips (IBM ServeRAID support) isn't loaded |
| 17:11.35 | valdyn | i3dmaster: you have no pm featrues or frequency scaling enabled at all? |
| 17:11.37 | Xerex | and it works but when I do locale it just does not display the settings I set |
| 17:11.42 | i3dmaster | pipeline: very weird. I've never seen this behavior before... |
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| 17:12.32 | i3dmaster | valdyn: Not sure, how to verify then? |
| 17:12.53 | valdyn | i3dmaster: theyre not on unless you explecitely enable them, in debian |
| 17:13.18 | ecko | can anyone tell me why I keep getting the following error when dist-upgrading or installing packages "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" <insert package name here> |
| 17:13.27 | olecr | I have saved teh config file for the kernel that was on the machine before, but have no idea how to install such a kernel, and no debian machines to compile images that might work.. Anybody? |
| 17:13.39 | i3dmaster | valdyn: No I didn't. I knew the processor I am running does not have scaling feature. |
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| 17:14.05 | pipeline | ecko: You're using packages that aren't signed by their authors, or are possibly trojaned. |
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| 17:14.13 | Xerex | pipeline: where do you think I can check the settings of locale for Gnome or KDE ?? |
| 17:14.20 | ecko | pipeline: I'm getting that from the main repository though... |
| 17:14.27 | elsn | Hi, what line shall i use to limit bandwidth for 192.168.0.11 (on my gateway =)) |
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| 17:14.32 | pipeline | Xerex: I don't know. Unless you set it yourself, gnome and/or KDE should use the default system locale. |
| 17:14.42 | pipeline | Xerex: Did you try logging out and logging back in? |
| 17:14.51 | valdyn | Xerex: both use the default system locale |
| 17:15.09 | ecko | pipeline: Like any package I install has that |
| 17:15.13 | Xerex | pipeline: ya, I am tring to entermanual settings in my .bashrc but also cannot find a sample to set them up in English . |
| 17:15.18 | ecko | pipeline: could I have gotten hacked somehow? |
| 17:15.25 | pipeline | ecko: Beats me |
| 17:15.27 | valdyn | Xerex: however kde has extra localisation packages that are required to see anything localised |
| 17:15.38 | ecko | pipeline: haha great...I'm not really liking this |
| 17:15.47 | furrywolf | are you getting it on just one package, or a number of unrelated ones? |
| 17:15.53 | ecko | everything |
| 17:16.00 | ecko | it seems like almost all of them |
| 17:16.00 | Xerex | pipeline: ya, and when I run most programs, it just says: perl: arning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C") along with other errors |
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| 17:16.54 | furrywolf | ecko: any other problems with the box? (I'm wondering if the box might be unstable and bungling the math or something) |
| 17:16.57 | ecko | I keep getting "GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D" when i apt-get update |
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| 17:17.06 | Xerex | unrelated ones |
| 17:17.13 | Gardner | I've got apt-get/dpkg thoroughly wedged -- dpkg is reporting "unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error" on any attempts to install/update/remove/purge. The offending package is apache. Any clues? |
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| 17:17.23 | pipeline | Xerex: That's an easy error. That means the locale is set to something other than POSIX C (no locale), but the locale hasn't been generated, so it can't use that locale. |
| 17:17.29 | pipeline | Xerex: So dpkg-reconfigure locales again. |
| 17:17.35 | ecko | furrywolf: Nah the box seems completely fine |
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| 17:17.46 | Xerex | pipeline: same thing.. I run it like 10 times |
| 17:17.48 | ecko | I doubt it's messing up the math |
| 17:17.49 | furrywolf | ecko: you didn't say that error the first time. :P |
| 17:17.54 | pipeline | Xerex: Yes, you're doing something wrong. |
| 17:18.06 | greycat | Gardner: fix the script. /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.postinst |
| 17:18.13 | greycat | Gardner: make sure it begins with #!/bin/sh |
| 17:18.13 | valdyn | Xerex: my guess: you are using sid, you got hit by last libc6 upgrade and you have not install the latest locales package? |
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| 17:18.35 | ecko | furrywolf: well I was giving you the output of dist-upgrade I didn't realize that error was also popping up (aka I'm an idiot) but does that give you a better idea? |
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| 17:19.14 | Gardner | greycat: It's a zero-length file. |
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| 17:19.32 | furrywolf | ecko: dunno what would cause that error, but it's unlikely you got rooted. :) |
| 17:20.08 | ecko | furrywolf: Yeah I figured I just had no firewall up for a while because my router broke and I went directly on the evil internet for the first time in years lol |
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| 17:20.25 | ecko | so this error starts popping up |
| 17:20.31 | Xerex | valdyn: good point, do you happen to know the apt-get install command for the latest locales package ? |
| 17:20.35 | ecko | I'm a programmer not a sysadmin |
| 17:21.04 | shakparl | dammit jim |
| 17:21.16 | furrywolf | shakparl: lol |
| 17:21.32 | greycat | Gardner: remove it |
| 17:21.41 | greycat | Gardner: then find out *why* it's zero length... |
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| 17:21.54 | Beuno | hey, I just did afresh install in Hoary of MySQL 4.0.* and I can connect to it fine from the localhost, but if I try to connect from other PCs or even from itself on 127.0.0.1 it rejects the connection with this: ERROR 2013: LOST CONNECTIONS TO MYSQL |
| 17:21.56 | Beuno | any ideas? |
| 17:22.20 | elsn | Hi, what line shall i use to limit bandwidth for 192.168.0.11 (on my gateway =)) |
| 17:22.28 | furrywolf | beuno: is your mysql server configured to listen for tcp connections? |
| 17:22.47 | Beuno | great question |
| 17:22.53 | Beuno | where whould I look for that? |
| 17:23.22 | furrywolf | elsn: tell iptables to drop all packets from 192.168.0.11. will limit their bandwidth quite effectively. :P |
| 17:23.35 | aysal | Hi, i am new in irc... Are there any sources for openoffice2-debs? |
| 17:23.41 | TeTeHer | / |
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| 17:25.02 | Beuno | yeah |
| 17:25.07 | furrywolf | lol! latest paypal phishing scam. "Paypal will never ask you for your password in email. Please enter your password here to confirm your identity"... |
| 17:25.07 | Beuno | network was disabled on my,cnf |
| 17:25.08 | Beuno | thanks!" |
| 17:25.16 | furrywolf | beuno: glad to help. :) |
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| 17:27.43 | vitriol | anybody have trouble with xmms just closing or doing nothing when trying to play streams? |
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| 17:28.43 | furrywolf | blah. looks like project for today is fixing the lawnmower... but I need an angle grinder and don't have one. |
| 17:29.18 | Gardner | greycat: That seemed to work. And it seems all the apache.* files were zero-length. :: boggle :: |
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| 17:29.36 | Nino | hi |
| 17:29.38 | Nino | is BFS better then raiserfs or fat32? |
| 17:29.55 | furrywolf | everything is better than fat32. |
| 17:30.09 | furrywolf | well, except for fat16 and fat12. :) |
| 17:30.11 | Gardner | Rancid cheese is better than fat32. |
| 17:30.14 | Xerex | hey guys, when I try to run ./somescript.pl I get the following: bash: /usr/local/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory.... does that mean I need to reinstall perl through apt-get install ? |
| 17:30.15 | vitriol | BFS? |
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| 17:30.21 | vitriol | like BeoFS |
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| 17:30.24 | pipeline | BFS is irrelevant, as it's used by a dead OS |
| 17:30.25 | vitriol | ? |
| 17:30.31 | vitriol | ah :) |
| 17:30.38 | Gathond | pipeline: that would be BeFS would it not? |
| 17:30.44 | pipeline | And ReiserFS is just a rehash of the ideas that didn't work very well in the early revisions of BFS. |
| 17:30.51 | pipeline | Gathond: Nah, it was always BFS. Don't ask me why. |
| 17:31.02 | Nino | i am looking for a portable way to encrypt my harddisk. the partition should be available on different OSs |
| 17:31.06 | pipeline | The Be, Inc. folks abandoned the whole B+ Tree filesystem idea by BeOS R4 |
| 17:31.10 | pipeline | Because performance was awful |
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| 17:31.13 | zorton | has anyone attempted to debianize bootsplash? |
| 17:31.13 | pipeline | Much like ReiserFS today |
| 17:31.17 | Nino | i am looking for a portable way to encrypt my harddisk. the partition should be available on different OSs. Is there something i could use? |
| 17:31.24 | pipeline | Nino: There's no portable way to do that. |
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| 17:31.29 | furrywolf | nino: don't repeat. |
| 17:31.32 | pipeline | Nino: Period. End of story. |
| 17:31.35 | Gardner | pipeline: I was using BFS in BeOS R5. |
| 17:31.50 | pipeline | Gardner: BFS in R4 and R5 is a totally different animal from previous versions. |
| 17:31.54 | madclicker | anyone here knows how to get "gnome-terminal" profiles imported? |
| 17:31.56 | Gardner | Ahh. |
| 17:32.01 | Nino | pipeline: why not? |
| 17:32.19 | Nino | pipeline: what ist standart for linux? |
| 17:32.22 | pipeline | Gardner: BFS in R4 and R5 has a lot more in common with HFS+ or FreeBSD UFS than ReiserFS |
| 17:32.28 | pipeline | Nino: It's simply not available. |
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| 17:32.47 | vitriol | i've been through apt_preferences and unless i've overlooked something, it's not possible to block something from being installed from a particular mirror, correct? |
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| 17:33.16 | Xerex | on a Debian system, to fix perl, would you uninstall it then reinstall it , or there is a better way ? |
| 17:33.28 | pipeline | Xerex: apt-get install --reinstall |
| 17:33.42 | pipeline | vitriol: /etc/apt/preferences -- set a pin to 0 based on origin. |
| 17:33.54 | vitriol | :o |
| 17:34.00 | Xerex | pipeline: thanks. am new to Debian did not know about the reinstall option |
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| 17:34.08 | vitriol | pipeline: thanks thats a great idea! |
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| 17:34.22 | pipeline | Xerex: Another option is "apt-get remove --purge", so that it deletes the config files when it uninstalls it |
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| 17:35.44 | Xerex | pipeline: oh u mean the apt-get install perl --reinstall ?> |
| 17:36.01 | Xerex | or apt-get remove perl --purge |
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| 17:36.59 | pipeline | Xerex: You're getting the idea |
| 17:37.11 | Xerex | pipeline |
| 17:37.13 | Xerex | : thanks |
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| 17:39.24 | _Soldier_ | nas |
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| 17:41.21 | KirbyMeister | Does anyone know of a good dual-head AGP graphics card that works well with Debian? |
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| 17:43.06 | pipeline | KirbyMeister: Anything nvidia should be fine. |
| 17:43.10 | richard_ | i just finished installing debian(i got tired of ubuntu's limits) and it didnt prompt me to set a root password, and now every time i try to log in as root so i can add a new user, it wont let me because it thinks there is a root password, and now im stuck using an ubuntu live cd to get help |
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| 17:43.17 | pipeline | KirbyMeister: A Radeon 9000 or 9200 series card should also work. |
| 17:43.33 | richard_ | i mounted my partition under /mnt/aux |
| 17:43.47 | pipeline | richard_: If you didn't set a root password, there is no root password. |
| 17:43.55 | furrywolf | don't forget the nvidia drivers are proprietary, closed-source crap, and BREAK OTHER VIDEO CARDS. |
| 17:44.02 | pipeline | richard_: You should be able to log in with root just fine. |
| 17:44.23 | richard_ | pipeline: it gives me an A/D every time i leave it blank (its gdm, must be a gdm problem) |
| 17:44.23 | mwilson | What other video cards are you fantasizing about them "breaking"/ |
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| 17:44.31 | pipeline | KirbyMeister: Note that newer cards than the 9000/9200 leave you pretty fucked. |
| 17:44.47 | pipeline | richard_: I don't think gdm will allow you to log in as root without a password. |
| 17:44.56 | pipeline | richard_: Log in at the console and set a password for root with "passwd" |
| 17:44.57 | valdyn | KirbyMeister: dual head nvidia cards work fine |
| 17:45.00 | furrywolf | mwilson: I have a dual-head setup with two video cards, one an nvidia, one an ati. if I load nvidia's drivers, dri won't work on the ati card. |
| 17:45.08 | richard_ | pipeline: er.. never had to face this one... how do i shut off gdm? |
| 17:45.17 | mwilson | How does that break a video card? |
| 17:45.17 | Pappa | richard_: ctrl-alt-1 |
| 17:45.17 | furrywolf | richard: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 17:45.26 | mwilson | Oh, that's right... it doesn't. |
| 17:45.29 | furrywolf | mwilson: it breaks xfree86's drivers for it. |
| 17:45.31 | pipeline | furrywolf: That's hardly surprising. I'd have been surprised if it worked any other way. |
| 17:45.38 | richard_ | ahh, is it the last thing in the init? |
| 17:45.41 | richard_ | one sec |
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| 17:45.54 | furrywolf | pipeline: why? I consider one driver breaking another driver to be seriously bad coding. |
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| 17:46.11 | pipeline | furrywolf: I would never have expected to use two DRI drivers at the same time. |
| 17:46.25 | pipeline | furrywolf: Or does it still not work if you disable DRI on the radeon card? |
| 17:46.28 | thingfish | I can't imagine anyone with any sense expecting an ati card to work nicely with an nvidia card. |
| 17:46.34 | richard_ | ok guys, thanks |
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| 17:46.40 | pipeline | thingfish: I've never had any trouble doing that. |
| 17:46.46 | furrywolf | I would expect that if I put in two video cards, I shouldn't be unable to use acceleration with one of them. |
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| 17:46.58 | pipeline | furrywolf: Well, good luck finding an OS that works differently. |
| 17:47.00 | elsn | Is there any list of all C-nets (lan ips) anywhere? :| |
| 17:47.05 | thingfish | pipeline: well, not the first time I've been wrong. |
| 17:47.09 | pipeline | furrywolf: Under windows, you'll be fucked for GL on cards other than the primary. |
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| 17:47.22 | mwilson | Which card is the primary? It's well known that in a Xinerama arrangement, you only get acceleration on the primary head. |
| 17:47.24 | furrywolf | pipeline: "windows sucks, so it's ok if linux does too" isn't a good answer. :P |
| 17:47.29 | furrywolf | no xinerama. |
| 17:47.34 | Pappa | my return key is broken, should ^M work in all apps? |
| 17:47.36 | pipeline | furrywolf: I'm trying to make the point that this is a hardware problem. |
| 17:47.37 | mwilson | Been documented that way for years. |
| 17:47.39 | abrotman | furrywolf: that's great answer :) |
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| 17:48.09 | valdyn | mwilson: primary card, not primary head |
| 17:48.21 | Space_NL | hi .. i copied some stuff from a read only disk .. but would like to chmod all files .. how cna i chmod a dir AND all files in it ? |
| 17:48.25 | furrywolf | a hardware problem? now THAT I'll label as total bull. everything else you've said I could accept as being crappy software, but a hardware problem seems unlikely. |
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| 17:48.30 | furrywolf | space_nl: chmod -R |
| 17:48.42 | Space_NL | thnx furrywolf |
| 17:48.44 | pipeline | furrywolf: PC hardware is poorly designed. |
| 17:48.45 | mwilson | furrywolf: You know everything there is about DRI, then? |
| 17:48.45 | jcb | i get this error in my kernel log: ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }... how can i see what device ata2 is? |
| 17:49.05 | mwilson | Which card is the AGP card? |
| 17:49.12 | furrywolf | mwilson: I know someone needs to be shot if it is a hardware problem. :P |
| 17:49.23 | furrywolf | the nividia is agp, the ati is pci |
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| 17:49.29 | mwilson | furrywolf: Translation... you have no idea at all. |
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| 17:49.34 | pipeline | furrywolf: The more you read about PC compatible hardware, the more people you would want to have shot. Trust me on that one. |
| 17:49.54 | furrywolf | pipeline: I think about half the planet should be shot, so that doesn't surprise me. :) |
| 17:49.54 | mwilson | Do ATI's drivers even support DRI on a PCI card? |
| 17:50.07 | furrywolf | mwilson: I'm using the GATOS drivers... they claim to... |
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| 17:50.42 | mwilson | furrywolf: Really. And do you know anyone who is doing it? |
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| 17:51.00 | mwilson | furrywolf: Or have you done no investigation at all and you're just whining? |
| 17:51.05 | slept | I'm looking for a filesystem to run on lvm for a fileserver accesed by samba and nfs , for now I got reiser3 but I'm afraid that I can't repair it when it breaks, and I heard bead storys about that |
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| 17:51.25 | furrywolf | mwilson: it works on my other box, with the same ati card, but no nvidia card/drivers. |
| 17:51.26 | Xerex | q: does anyone heard of a way to encrypt a lets say 100 mb partition in linux, put stuff into it, and only mount it when needed ? |
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| 17:51.40 | fewlbar | hey, I got this application... |
| 17:51.42 | furrywolf | xerex: cryptoloop might do what you want. |
| 17:51.45 | dondelelcaro | Xerex: probably cryptoloop with automount |
| 17:51.47 | fewlbar | I accidentally clicked too fast on it... |
| 17:51.50 | fewlbar | it locked up :( |
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| 17:51.55 | fewlbar | I hadnt saved... |
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| 17:52.06 | fewlbar | anyway to force it to recover? :( |
| 17:52.06 | greycat | and it broke your enter key |
| 17:52.08 | xelam | would it be silly to share /var/cache/apt/ via NFS to multiple debian boxes? |
| 17:52.10 | mwilson | furrywolf: Your "other box" has a AGP and a PCI video card? |
| 17:52.19 | valdyn | !tell fewlbar about enter |
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| 17:52.25 | fewlbar | greycat, that to |
| 17:52.28 | Xerex | furrywolf: I will check that out, thanks |
| 17:52.30 | greycat | xelam: make sure you use no_root_squash |
| 17:52.35 | fewlbar | valdyn, thank u. ;) |
| 17:52.35 | furrywolf | and, IIRC, it worked when I had two ati cards. |
| 17:52.38 | xelam | hmmn |
| 17:52.40 | valdyn | fewlbar: is there a price on guessing that applications name? |
| 17:52.42 | furrywolf | but that was a while ago |
| 17:52.44 | fewlbar | (extra emphasis on "u") |
| 17:52.52 | fewlbar | valdyn, argoUML |
| 17:52.56 | mwilson | !u |
| 17:52.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:53.02 | EdibleText | fewlbar, ssh into your box from remote box; unbreak stuff |
| 17:53.08 | fewlbar | mwilson, u r right |
| 17:53.17 | furrywolf | I haven't even been able to get opengl xscreensaver hacks to work on the ati card now that I have the nvidia card... |
| 17:53.22 | fewlbar | or should I say "rite"? ;) |
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| 17:53.58 | ipghost | hola |
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| 17:54.18 | ipghost | alguien de habla hispana |
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| 17:54.42 | EdibleText | !es |
| 17:54.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:56.52 | Xerex | someone asked earlier about encrypting contents among many platforms, I just read that BestCrypt can make encrypted containers that can be used under both Linux and Windows |
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| 17:57.32 | Xerex | also, LoopAES is a better alternative to crytoloop |
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| 17:58.22 | pingouin | Xerex: i think there is dm-crypt |
| 17:58.27 | Xerex | ya |
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| 17:58.33 | pingouin | Xerex: http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=HOWTO |
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| 17:58.43 | Xerex | dm-crypt is the one maintained after cryptoloop |
| 17:58.44 | pingouin | Xerex: i've already set an part with that |
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| 17:59.01 | Xerex | pingouin with which one ? |
| 17:59.06 | pingouin | Xerex: easy, fast, secure for my *poor* use |
| 17:59.41 | pingouin | Xerex: 2.6.9.x when i created my firt partition on hd, using the pakage in apt |
| 17:59.56 | pingouin | Xerex: now i run an 2.6.11.7, without troubles |
| 17:59.57 | Xerex | pingouin of dm-crypt ? |
| 18:00.13 | pingouin | Xerex: the one in pakage |
| 18:00.26 | Xerex | pingouin |
| 18:00.27 | pingouin | Xerex: i rarely build stuff by myself |
| 18:00.37 | Xerex | : and it can be hidden right ? |
| 18:01.10 | pingouin | Xerex: i can make it ask the passphrase at boot, or remain silent, and mount the crypted devices *by hand* |
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| 18:01.39 | Xerex | pingouin: thats what I want |
| 18:01.42 | pingouin | Xerex: at the beginning i just do that for the fun, and see what it was, finaly, very usefull ;) |
| 18:02.01 | Xerex | pingouin: have u tried LoopAES ? |
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| 18:03.05 | pingouin | Xerex: nop, when i wanted to discover crypto stuff, someone told me that cryptoloop/Loop was deprecated, the DM-crypt was the remplacement |
| 18:03.20 | Xerex | yeah |
| 18:03.22 | Xerex | its true |
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| 18:03.45 | pingouin | Xerex: so, i never tried something else, once my partition was done |
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| 18:04.08 | hulu | screen as non-root. no PTYs. anyone seen this problem? |
| 18:04.14 | Xerex | pingouin: you created the partition by yourself or is it part of the installation ? |
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| 18:04.29 | pingouin | Xerex: i created by myself |
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| 18:04.39 | pingouin | Xerex: you'll have to format it |
| 18:04.47 | Xerex | pingouin: fdisk ? |
| 18:05.02 | csorrell | Can anyone help me get this NIC setup to monitor all traffic sent to it from a port mirror?..Right now it just drops all the traffic..and I can't figure out why. |
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| 18:05.17 | pingouin | Xerex: http://www.saout.de/misc/dm-crypt/ and http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=HOWTO was the only help i used (i'm a newbi in linux also) |
| 18:05.29 | Xerex | pingouin: thanks |
| 18:05.32 | pingouin | Xerex: i think i run cfdisk instead |
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| 18:06.08 | pingouin | Xerex: but the best is the one in new debian installer, partsomething |
| 18:06.34 | pingouin | Xerex: i wonder if it run out the installer, nice part/format graphic software, easy |
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| 18:07.33 | Xerex | pingouin: and when u mount it, it asks for the key ? |
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| 18:07.48 | pingouin | Xerex: yep, |
| 18:07.59 | pingouin | Xerex: and if you dont give the right one, no data |
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| 18:08.17 | Xerex | pingouin: so there is an entry for it under /etc/fstab ? |
| 18:08.59 | pingouin | Xerex: yep, and check the how to, you'll create an /etc/cryptab to point the /dev/mapper (which is mounted in /etc/fstab) |
| 18:09.28 | sudo|chmod | unrar - Unarchiver for .rar files |
| 18:09.28 | sudo|chmod | unrar-nonfree - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version) |
| 18:09.28 | seldon | How much performance overhead do I have to expect with dm-crypt and, say, twofish? |
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| 18:09.33 | sudo|chmod | what's the difference? |
| 18:09.44 | pingouin | Xerex: but you can keep it *hands* all the way, each time you need it you type the full command line (boring with time, if you often need stuff on crypted device) |
| 18:10.21 | Xerex | pingouin so u saying I could do mount -a when I need to use it and enter the key then |
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| 18:10.27 | nata-fresa | hola |
| 18:10.33 | Xerex | pingouin: I wonder if it will get an error on boot time |
| 18:10.43 | nata-fresa | xereccccccccccc |
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| 18:11.02 | nata-fresa | adivina quien soy |
| 18:11.28 | pingouin | Xerex: i never had errors, or HD failure....so i can't tell |
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| 18:11.53 | Xerex | nata-fresa : ? |
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| 18:12.02 | nata-fresa | soy elena |
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| 18:12.32 | hulu | where is the devpts startup mount setup for debian? |
| 18:13.10 | hulu | ah, /etc/default/devpts of course |
| 18:13.30 | bobesponja | hey all |
| 18:14.37 | bobesponja | for some reason I can't access kde-look.org though I can access it by typing its IP 80.190.240.90, does the problem comes from me or did the website server blocked me or something? |
| 18:15.03 | bobesponja | that's really weird :( |
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| 18:15.43 | seldon | Well, it works for me, so it's likely your dns is broken |
| 18:15.44 | Xerex | anyone has got the ipw2100 working under Debian ? |
| 18:16.09 | seldon | I have a ipw2200 card |
| 18:16.14 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 18:16.14 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:16.26 | Xerex | seldon: does it work fine ? |
| 18:16.30 | seldon | Yes |
| 18:16.34 | pingouin | i guess it's an english grammar stuff |
| 18:16.39 | Xerex | seldon: hmm, wht did you do exacty |
| 18:16.41 | pingouin | anyone can use anything |
| 18:16.47 | bobesponja | seldon: the dns in my resolvconf or the dns of my internet provider? |
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| 18:16.51 | pingouin | have to improve my skills |
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| 18:17.01 | seldon | I compiled the module, downloaded the firmware to /etc/hotplug/firmware and loaded the module |
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| 18:17.38 | Xerex | seldon: is there a module just for debian ? |
| 18:17.50 | Xerex | seldon: of u jsut built it from source ? |
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| 18:18.02 | seldon | bobesponja: Try digging your isp's dns for an outside address |
| 18:18.05 | seldon | like google or so |
| 18:18.11 | seldon | Xerex: There is a debian package |
| 18:18.17 | seldon | In your case, ipw2100-source |
| 18:18.30 | Xerex | seldon: any websites by any chance ? |
| 18:18.42 | seldon | ipw2100.sf.net, I think |
| 18:18.45 | bobesponja | seldon: what do you mean by "digging" my isp? |
| 18:19.04 | seldon | dig is a tool for querying nameservers |
| 18:19.17 | Xerex | seldon: ait, thanks |
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| 18:19.31 | Xerex | pingouin: is this the howto you used ? http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=HOWTO |
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| 18:19.49 | bobesponja | sep: that's ok i just ssh to a friend that has the same isp, ripped his /etc/resolv.conf dns and now it's working :) |
| 18:19.56 | bobesponja | I meant seldon |
| 18:20.03 | bobesponja | :) |
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| 18:20.24 | pingouin | Xerex: mainly, with http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=DebianCryptoHome-FR#comments wich is the same..but for froggies ;) |
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| 18:21.35 | bsphere | im running debian sarge on a desknote computer, I have something wrong with the keymap both in X and in the console: the pipe/backslash button is acting like a < and > button.. I tried all the english keymaps in dpkg-reconfigure console-data with no change.. how can I fix this ? |
| 18:21.39 | Xerex | thats in french |
| 18:21.47 | olecr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.54 | Xerex | seldon: there is unstable and testing |
| 18:21.54 | greycat | olecr: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:22.01 | olecr | i wanna keep the distribution mostly safe |
| 18:22.08 | olecr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.29 | omeganine | quit |
| 18:22.31 | pingouin | Xerex: yep,that what i said, the same that : http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=HOWTO but for froggies |
| 18:22.36 | csorrell | Can anyone help me get this NIC setup to monitor all traffic sent to it from a port mirror?..Right now it just drops all the traffic..and I can't figure out why. |
| 18:22.52 | Xerex | seldon: which one would you get ? |
| 18:23.15 | seldon | Xerex: I'd just get it from apt if I were you |
| 18:23.16 | MeneM | Evening! I'm trying to recompile my Kernel for the 20th time. I've been following the various howto's about the "debian way" found on Google. But everytime I install the resulting Kernel I get "unable to mount root fs". I've been handcrafting the .config turning on ext3 file system NOT as a module, turning on IDEDISK, PIIx ide support, etc. But I keep missing something somewhere. My .config can be viewed here: http://mateo.xs4all.nl/downloads/config |
| 18:23.30 | pipeline | MeneM: Is there a reason you are compiling a kernel |
| 18:23.43 | MeneM | suspend2 support. |
| 18:23.53 | MeneM | and general learning |
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| 18:24.12 | Xerex | seldon:and you mad an entry to /etc/netwrok/interfaces afterward ? |
| 18:24.26 | rhalff | hi any suggestions where I can find a package for debian including dot ? |
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| 18:24.49 | seldon | Yes. I think the interface was called wlan0, but I'd have to fire up the notebook to be sure |
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| 18:24.56 | chris | menem: are you using lilo or grub ? |
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| 18:25.05 | MeneM | Chris: grub |
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| 18:25.17 | Xerex | seldon: I think the card is detected, but I cannot seem to get anything when doing iwconfig |
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| 18:25.33 | seldon | rhalff: graphviz |
| 18:25.48 | seldon | Xerex: Did you get the firmware from intel? |
| 18:26.04 | chris | menem: so paste the kernel line from your menu.lst |
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| 18:26.17 | Xerex | seldon: I think I got it from apt-get |
| 18:26.19 | rhalff | seldon, thanks :) |
| 18:26.38 | seldon | You get the module sources from apt-get |
| 18:26.43 | seldon | you still need the firmware from intel |
| 18:26.50 | EdibleText | MeneM, you are editing the the .config by hand? while not impossible to do, it may be better to utilize the ncurses menu config. ie make menuconfig or 'make-kpkg --config=/menuconfig |
| 18:26.52 | Deawin | rhalff: you should find dot in synopsis-formatter-dot package |
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| 18:27.03 | seldon | legal business, you know. |
| 18:27.13 | chris | ok this is odd, i can't resolve anything, resolve.conf is 755 and has the right info |
| 18:27.18 | Xerex | seldon: do you have the link by any chance ? |
| 18:27.19 | MeneM | There you go: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.040524 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
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| 18:27.38 | seldon | Xerex: take a look at /usr/share/doc/ipw2100-source |
| 18:27.48 | chris | menem: and that's the right kernel name ? |
| 18:27.50 | seldon | there should be a file called README.firmware or something like that |
| 18:27.51 | mwilson | (a) the file name is /etc/resolv.conf, not whatever you've named it, (b) whyinhell is it executable? |
| 18:27.53 | seldon | the link is in there |
| 18:27.54 | MeneM | yes, make menuconfig is what I usually use, but searching for certain config block's is easier with an editor |
| 18:27.54 | monsterartshow | Xerex, do you need help installing ipw2100? |
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| 18:28.16 | Xerex | seldon: ok |
| 18:28.16 | MeneM | yes, it is the right kernelnam |
| 18:28.16 | chris | mwilson: jesus tired sorry it's 644 and resolv.conf |
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| 18:28.48 | omeganine | Wow, xchat-text sucks. |
| 18:29.01 | Anders1 | :) |
| 18:29.07 | Anders1 | so true |
| 18:29.09 | mwilson | And you've actually bothered to test and make sure that the servers are (a) reachable, and (b) actually resolving names? |
| 18:29.11 | omeganine | :p BitchX has me spoiled |
| 18:29.12 | MeneM | thanks for looking guys! :-/ |
| 18:29.27 | rking | tirc is where it's at. vi keys forever! |
| 18:29.28 | chris | mwilson: yes it's my internal caching nameserver and i'm using it from this laptop on the same subnet |
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| 18:30.05 | pingouin_ | omeganine: lol ;) |
| 18:30.08 | mwilson | chris: So, on the machine that can't resolve names, you've run nslookup, told it to use that server, then tried a name? |
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| 18:30.46 | guru | does anyone here know much about the nvidia drivers? |
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| 18:31.03 | mwilson | guru: Do you have an actual question, or are you just taking a survey? |
| 18:31.23 | guru | mwilson: i'm getting an api error when attempting to start the xserver |
| 18:31.25 | monsterartshow | Xerex, do you need help installing ipw2100? |
| 18:31.27 | omeganine | OK, im stumped. I installed sarge via FTP and everything is running OK but X11. It starts, my computer freezes. I switched out video cards, used open source (I use nvidia) drivers, and closed source, ungraded my knerel, switched monitors, played with the config files. IM out of ideas. When i startx it goes black and stays there, even XFree86 -configure freezes. Any ideas? |
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| 18:31.48 | olecr | that backports approach seems abit tedious |
| 18:31.56 | guru | ernel module is 7.1.0 but this x module is version 1.0.7174 |
| 18:31.59 | omeganine | Cant even ssh in, my computer is totaly froze. |
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| 18:32.11 | guru | that's what the log file contains |
| 18:32.21 | mwilson | guru: Unlikely. |
| 18:32.30 | seldon | omeganine: Anything useful in the log files? |
| 18:32.42 | guru | mwilson: i'd be happy to grep the exact line for you and prove it |
| 18:32.45 | Supaplex | amavis++ |
| 18:32.45 | omeganine | seldon no, they just end. No errors, nothing. |
| 18:32.55 | seldon | That's weird. |
| 18:33.17 | chris | mwilson: actually no dig <my_dns_server_ip> google.com fails it can't hit my nameserver hrm |
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| 18:33.45 | omeganine | seldon, i know, im totally mind f***ed over it all. This is my first debian install, so im not really familure with a lot of it. But from what I remember X11 and xorg are darn close to the same stil. |
| 18:33.46 | Xerex | seldon: do you happen to remember the modprobe name for the driver ? |
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| 18:34.22 | seldon | omeganine: Even if you screwed the config up, xfree is usually not capable of freezing the whole system... |
| 18:34.31 | seldon | Xerex: Probably ipw2100 |
| 18:34.47 | mwilson | seldon: Since when? |
| 18:35.03 | Xerex | seldon, ya tried that with Module ipw2100 not found |
| 18:35.05 | omeganine | Can I use aptget to over write the x11 install thats there. Maybe it was messed up while downloading (I did a FTP install) |
| 18:35.14 | monsterartshow | Xerex, what steps have you done? |
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| 18:35.20 | seldon | Xerex: try running depmod -a before you load the module |
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| 18:35.39 | Xerex | same thing :( |
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| 18:35.59 | seldon | Xerex: You compiled and installed the module? |
| 18:36.13 | Xerex | seldon: no just did it through ap-get |
| 18:36.30 | Xerex | I even uninstalled and reinstalled it with apt-get remove then isntall |
| 18:36.30 | omeganine | Oh, and is there a command in apt-get to just update everything on the system like with yum? |
| 18:36.43 | Xerex | omeganine ya |
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| 18:36.50 | seldon | Xerex: The sources alone won't help you. But if you're lucky, there is a compiled version for your kernel in apt |
| 18:36.53 | seldon | what kernel do you use? |
| 18:36.58 | mwilson | omeganine: Not up for actually reading the man page, huh? |
| 18:37.04 | Xerex | seldon: 2.6.8 |
| 18:37.23 | seldon | Did you compile it yourself or pull it from apt? |
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| 18:37.43 | omeganine | mwilson I run it with just the "upgrade" arg, but it just updated its self... |
| 18:37.45 | Xerex | apt |
| 18:37.54 | Xerex | seldon should I compile it myslf ? |
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| 18:38.17 | seldon | Yeah, there is no compiled ipw2100-module in apt. |
| 18:38.22 | Xerex | seldon: would u pick the testing or unstable ? |
| 18:38.33 | olecr | for a production server.. is it very important that i use stable? |
| 18:38.33 | seldon | You already have the sources |
| 18:38.41 | seldon | remember? you pulled them from apt |
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| 18:39.01 | Xerex | seldon: hmmm |
| 18:39.16 | seldon | Alright. Let me just look up what else you need to compile it |
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| 18:39.23 | seldon | what does uname -r say? |
| 18:39.25 | olecr | i will be running apache2, nagios, ssh, tomcat5, cacti and backup through unison/ssh |
| 18:39.41 | Xerex | seldon: 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 18:39.55 | seldon | OK. Get kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 from apt, then |
| 18:40.07 | olecr | I think using backports for all of those would be too much work considering i have a lot of servers eventually.. |
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| 18:40.21 | monsterartshow | Xerex, you will not have a build directory to compile the module, that is the kernel image from apt |
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| 18:40.24 | olecr | sortof defeating the purpose of why i chose debian |
| 18:40.59 | Supaplex | you can maintain your own repository |
| 18:41.05 | drac | Hmm, i'm getting this with game called neverball 'open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory', ALSA.. |
| 18:41.16 | drac | What is that? |
| 18:41.25 | seldon | Also, you'll need...let's see...fakeroot, make, gcc |
| 18:41.32 | seldon | I think that should do the trick |
| 18:41.33 | omeganine | So is everyone else as stumped as I am? |
| 18:41.34 | onre | oss midi, alsa should emulate it |
| 18:41.42 | olecr | supaplex well maximum two out of 20 servers have similar configurations |
| 18:41.43 | onre | _should_ |
| 18:41.43 | drac | ok |
| 18:41.45 | Xerex | seldon: done for the heades |
| 18:41.48 | Xerex | headers |
| 18:41.50 | omeganine | I am thinking of installed Slackware just to see if i can get video |
| 18:41.51 | olecr | apart from the development servers |
| 18:41.58 | FieldySnuts | !irritate MCI |
| 18:41.59 | dpkg | MCI: HELP ME!!! how can I make my mepis werkz kthx |
| 18:42.13 | Anders1 | O_o |
| 18:42.17 | chealer | !tell olecr about testing security issues |
| 18:42.33 | chealer | olecr: that's what you have to decide if you can handle |
| 18:42.35 | Xerex | seldon: fakeroot , make, gcc ?? |
| 18:42.40 | seldon | You need to install those |
| 18:42.42 | Xerex | are not they already included |
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| 18:42.59 | seldon | If you already have them installed, that's fine. |
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| 18:43.10 | onre | drac, snd_seq_oss module seems to provide the emulation. |
| 18:43.30 | seldon | You need them to build the ipw2100 sources into a .deb package |
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| 18:43.35 | FieldySnuts | who uses dvd lol |
| 18:43.46 | rave | <-- |
| 18:43.48 | Xerex | seldon:ok not sure how to do the later part |
| 18:43.52 | FieldySnuts | </silly> |
| 18:43.56 | seldon | apt-get install fakeroot make gcc |
| 18:43.57 | olecr | chealer: can i combine testing with some security concerning app.. like freebsd portaudit? |
| 18:43.58 | FieldySnuts | oo, troll quit |
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| 18:44.31 | Xerex | sledon: all 3 already installed :) |
| 18:44.47 | drac | onre: Yes, thank you. It's fixed now. I had to modprobe it. |
| 18:44.55 | seldon | alright. Go to /usr/src then, unpack ipw2100-source.tar.gz, go to /usr/src/modules/ipw2100 |
| 18:45.06 | chealer | olecr: I have no idea what that is. |
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| 18:45.25 | knife | on a fresh GTK installation, is /usr/share/themes/Default/gtk-2.0/gtkrc supposed to be empty? |
| 18:45.39 | alfatau | hi, i installed sarge but i have a notebook and many hw features are not available (ACPI) with the current 2.6.8 debianized kernel. So i decided to compile a new kernel package from scratch using 2.6.10 and adding the newest ACPI patch. To do it i did make oldconfig using config-2.6.8-2-686 file to have the same options. However, i removed scsi support (because i don't have any scsi devices) and some other features i haven't as ISDN support. |
| 18:45.40 | alfatau | So all works well but usb. I can use my usb mouse and my usb graphic pen, but i can't mount any usb storage device. can you help me? |
| 18:45.54 | seldon | Then, run fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 KVERS=2.6.8-2-686 |
| 18:46.19 | seldon | After that, you should have a .deb in /usr/src/modules that you can install with dpkg -i |
| 18:46.30 | seldon | And you should be fine after that. |
| 18:46.47 | monsterartshow | seldon, what about the firmware? is that installed with the .deb? |
| 18:46.55 | Xerex | seldon: ok let me try all that, I will let you know as I go throuh them |
| 18:47.11 | seldon | monsterartshow: The firmware is not included in the package, you have to get it from intel |
| 18:47.26 | seldon | Place it in /etc/hotplug/firmware |
| 18:47.29 | monsterartshow | seldon, yes-- ok |
| 18:47.30 | chealer | alfatau: does the problem come from the kernel images or that 2.6.8 is too old? |
| 18:47.34 | cahoot | alfatau: you need scsi disk for that |
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| 18:48.14 | cahoot | alfatau: make sure you don't enable blk_dev_ub |
| 18:48.27 | bozomar | Xerex: Have a look at this, it's not in english, but the commands written easy to follow mod: http://www.debian-tr.org/?q=wireless |
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| 18:49.07 | alfatau | cahoot: ah... i thought it wasn't relevant because when i run knoppix i can mount an usb storage device using /dev/ubx special file, and not /dev/sdx :) |
| 18:49.23 | monsterartshow | Xerex, also there is a #ipw2100 channel |
| 18:49.37 | cahoot | alfatau: /dev/ub* is slow |
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| 18:50.21 | alfatau | cahoot: however, in my 2.6.10 config file i found CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB=m |
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| 18:50.44 | alfatau | cahoot: ah, so may i add scsi disk support? |
| 18:50.52 | olecr | does debian have a security auditer like FreeBSD's portaudit? in particular for the testing branch... |
| 18:50.56 | olecr | is sid a middle between woody and testing or worse than testing seuritywise? |
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| 18:51.07 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 18:51.07 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 18:51.11 | bozomar | alfatau: Yes, install ide-scsi module |
| 18:51.11 | cahoot | alfatau: scsi disk is for /dev/sd* - do not use ub |
| 18:51.25 | Mothas | I'm sure this has to be obvious, but if I'm running 2.6.7 with Sarge and want to get the nvidia drivers running, where do I get the right nvidia-glx module? I can compile the kernel-module, but can't seem to get the glx module to have the same version number. |
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| 18:52.20 | Xerex | seldon: out of curiosity, what does fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 KVERS=2.6.8-2-686 command do ? |
| 18:52.29 | chealer | olecr: it's currently better than testing, but that's *only* securitywise |
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| 18:52.59 | chealer | !tell Mothas about nvidia-howto |
| 18:53.00 | alfatau | cahoot: ok, but why now i can't use /dev/ub* devices? i loaded that module (in a couple of minutes i will add scsi support, but before i wish to understand...) :) |
| 18:53.03 | seldon | debian/rules is, from where you are a makefile that builds a debian package from the sources |
| 18:53.07 | chealer | Mothas: you should upgrade to 2.6.8-2 |
| 18:53.38 | seldon | It uses KSRC and KVERS to determine where to search for the kernel headers and where to put the module to afterwards |
| 18:53.46 | jbm__ | Mothas, i use module-assistant to create nvidia mod. type: apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common; module-assistant auto-install nvidia; |
| 18:53.47 | chealer | olecr: and this will change when sarge's security support begins, which *should* happen soon |
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| 18:53.55 | alfatau | bozomar: i can't because in that case my combo dvd/cd-rw is recognized as a scsi device and doesn't burn anything :( |
| 18:54.00 | cahoot | alfatau: if ub is enabled it will take precedence over sd - it's slower (at least used to be so) |
| 18:54.26 | Xerex | seldon: how did it know that we actually targetting ipw ? or it would just compile all sources ? |
| 18:54.27 | seldon | fakeroot is needed because debian/rules calls the module install scripts, which usually install the stuff to /foo/bar |
| 18:54.43 | bozomar | alfatau: use dev=ATA parameter for your cd burning program |
| 18:54.59 | seldon | fakeroot imitates a root environment, so that those scripts put their stuff in some subdirectory while thinking they put it to / |
| 18:55.04 | seldon | Somewhat like chroot |
| 18:55.05 | bozomar | alfatau: better, read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord |
| 18:55.13 | Xerex | sledon |
| 18:55.21 | vitriol | does anybody know if sylpheed doesn't work with gmail? |
| 18:55.22 | Xerex | but we did not specify the ipw , how did it know ??? |
| 18:55.24 | Xerex | :P |
| 18:55.26 | seldon | Xerex: You are in /usr/src/modules/ip2100 |
| 18:55.31 | alfatau | alfatau: ok, but when i plug in my external usb hard drive i get this dmesg lines: sb 1-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 |
| 18:55.32 | alfatau | ub: sizeof ub_scsi_cmd 64 ub_dev 2476 |
| 18:55.32 | alfatau | uba: device 3 capacity nsec 78140160 bsize 512 |
| 18:55.32 | alfatau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:55.42 | seldon | So you actually are calling /usr/src/modules/ipw2100/debian/ruls |
| 18:55.43 | chris | why would dig 198.6.1.10 google.com fail on a machine that is otherwise fine internet wise |
| 18:55.46 | alfatau | i'm sorry :) |
| 18:55.50 | seldon | and that knows what it is |
| 18:56.07 | greycat | chris: what is that command supposed to do? |
| 18:56.25 | chris | greycat: it queries the nameserver 198.6.1.10 for the domain |
| 18:56.27 | Mothas | chealer: I tried 2.6.8, but it doesn't seem to like my setup. 2.6.7 runs OK (other than the nvidia drivers). |
| 18:56.34 | chris | basically resolution is failing on this box |
| 18:56.38 | greycat | chris: dig @198.6.1.10 google.com |
| 18:56.39 | chris | i can't seen to query from any working server |
| 18:56.46 | greycat | chris: without the @, it's just two separate questions. |
| 18:56.55 | alfatau | cahoot: did u read before i was kicked for flood? now, what may i do to mount my usb devices? it seems it recognizes partitions... |
| 18:57.24 | chris | hrm oh my bad |
| 18:57.24 | chealer | Mothas: hum, what's your problem exactly? 2.6.7 is even worst in terms of security than 2.6.8. you should really try to upgrade |
| 18:57.27 | Mothas | jbm_: thanks, I'll take a look at that |
| 18:57.44 | alfatau | cahoot: but /dev/ubx doesn't exists and neither /dev/ub/* |
| 18:57.48 | cahoot | alfatau: you can use either - but ub (in my experience ) is much slower |
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| 18:58.00 | Xerex | seldon: I would have to read more into that, I partially get it, especially that we only specified /usr/src/kernel-headers |
| 18:58.35 | alfatau | cahoot: i understood, but i don't know how to mount, that's worst then speed problems :) thanks for yr patience :) |
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| 18:58.55 | cahoot | alfatau: if you use static /dev - you might have to create /dev/ub* |
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| 19:00.11 | seldon | Xerex: Well, did it work? |
| 19:00.24 | Mothas | chealer: 2.6.8 for some reason doesn't see my partitions correctly ( ext3 & reiserfs, ide drives + one 3ware raid), so it ends up not booting. I'd be happy to upgrade beyond 2.6.8, but that's the highest that shows up in my apt repository. |
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| 19:00.48 | Xerex | seldon, ya I have an .deb now, brb |
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| 19:00.58 | chealer | Mothas: a stock kernel? |
| 19:01.28 | Mothas | chealer: tried stock & custom both, no go with 2.6.8. |
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| 19:05.18 | JohnnyST | Hi how do I check what jornaling mode I have on an ext3 partition? |
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| 19:06.57 | takatumi | Mothas: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 or get the source from kernel.org (if it really is a kernel issue) |
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| 19:08.06 | h2k | how to check the age of my debian installation? |
| 19:08.10 | Xerex | sledon: it says firmware needed |
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| 19:09.31 | monsterartshow | Xerex, did you get the firmware? |
| 19:09.42 | bozomar | h2k: Did you use debian-installer? |
| 19:09.55 | h2k | i used sarge's installer i guess |
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| 19:10.08 | bozomar | h2k: Have a look at /var/log/debian-installer |
| 19:10.11 | seldon | Xerex: You have to download the firmware and extract it to /etc/hotplug/firmware |
| 19:10.25 | bozomar | h2k: You can find out date of installation from the log files in there |
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| 19:10.44 | seldon | Oh, wait |
| 19:10.44 | h2k | bozomar, k, thanks |
| 19:10.50 | seldon | it's /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 19:11.03 | Xerex | seldon: from the website which is under /usr/share/doc/ipw21000 ? |
| 19:11.03 | greycat | bozomar: um. wouldn't that only exist if he installed sarge? |
| 19:11.23 | monsterartshow | http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=4 |
| 19:11.28 | seldon | http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
| 19:11.31 | bozomar | greycat: He said, he used sarge's installer |
| 19:11.32 | takatumi | h2k: something that is accurate for me is the ctime of /etc/debian_version |
| 19:11.45 | greycat | bozomar: oh. |
| 19:11.58 | greycat | one wonders WHY someone would ask for the age of a debian system that's much less than a year old. |
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| 19:12.45 | Pappa | Bus 004 Device 006: ID 0bb4:00ce High Tech Computer Corp. mmO2 XDA GSM/GPRS Pocket PC .. got tips for communicationg with it? |
| 19:12.45 | xbalanque | hi all! I'm trying to get gnome 2.10 working, I've set the source lines under /etc/apt/sources.lst, it updates. But dselect apparently keeps thinking that the 2.8 version is more up-to-date than the available 2.10. Am I missing something ? What ? Thanks! |
| 19:12.55 | xophEr | What could be the problem , gphoto2 doesnt detect my camera? "Error -105 : 'Unknown model', the camera is a Canon PowerShot A80, and it is supposed to be supported.. |
| 19:12.57 | greycat | xbalanque: it's not in Debian. |
| 19:13.04 | ecko | does anyone know why I'd get the error "W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D" while doing an apt-get update? |
| 19:13.25 | dondelelcaro | ecko: you haven't downloaded that key from a keyserver and stuck it into the appropriate keyring |
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| 19:13.44 | ecko | dondelelcaro: how would I go about fixing it? |
| 19:13.45 | xbalanque | greycat: It experimental, check http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 19:13.57 | rking | anyone up for testing a perl module before I send it to CPAN? it's a command-line tool for paste servers such as http://rafb.net/paste |
| 19:13.59 | ipghost | como es el canal de debian en español |
| 19:14.01 | ipghost | gracias |
| 19:14.11 | ecko | #debian-es |
| 19:14.12 | gothtec | I'm trying to install Debian on my laptop, from the sarge netinstall cd (downloaded today). While the 2.4 kernel boots just fine, the 2.6.8-2-686 one, which I want, stops during boot with two ACPI lines at the bottom of the log. ACPI-0179 and ACPI-0182. I have no idea what the problem could be, as 2.4 works perfectly. Any ideas? |
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| 19:15.00 | dondelelcaro | ecko: figure out which keyring checksigs is using, and gpg --keyring foo/bar/baz --recv-key 4F368D5D |
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| 19:15.28 | greycat | "como" es? why is he asking "how" the debian spanish channel is? |
| 19:15.34 | greycat | what answer did he want? That it's "bueno"? |
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| 19:15.42 | dondelelcaro | greycat: it's very como |
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| 19:16.46 | dude | where is mwilson |
| 19:16.48 | ecko | dondelelcaro: I'm sorry for sounding stupid but I really don't know much about gpg, would you mind explaining exactly what I have to do or pointing me at some documentation I have no trouble reading but I don't have enough background to troubleshoot this |
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| 19:17.06 | Xerex | so its /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
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| 19:17.45 | ILF_ | hi. a while back i accidentially enterered a local domain in addition to hostname using etherconf. i got rid of it in some file, now it doesn't show when booting, in shells or running "hustname -d". but i just ssh'd to my bsd box and it told me "login from hostname.domain", which i do not want. how can i get rid of that completely? |
| 19:17.51 | pgmillard | wondering if anyone can enlighten me about kernel-source-nonfree-* pkgs? I need the tg3 network driver and it's been removed from the 2.6.11 kernel source :( |
| 19:17.56 | Virtual | Package kyim is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:17.56 | Virtual | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 19:17.56 | Virtual | is only available from another source |
| 19:17.56 | Virtual | E: Package kyim has no installation candidate |
| 19:17.56 | Virtual | Can I overwrite this to install anyway? |
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| 19:18.01 | bozomar | gothtec: Try #debian-boot |
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| 19:18.24 | Virtual | sorry |
| 19:18.25 | ILF_ | Virtual: read motd |
| 19:18.25 | ecko | LS |
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| 19:18.31 | ecko | oops |
| 19:18.35 | ecko | not my terminal |
| 19:18.36 | ecko | :) |
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| 19:19.08 | Virtual | Can I overwrite that and install anyway ? |
| 19:19.15 | ILF_ | sound: rot is not a valid irc user name :) |
| 19:19.23 | ILF_ | *root |
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| 19:19.45 | guru | Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 7.1.0, but this X module is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version. |
| 19:19.58 | guru | could someone please explain to me what i did wrong? |
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| 19:20.12 | guru | i have obviously messed up somewhere along the install |
| 19:20.20 | chealer | guru: you have the wrong kernel module (nvidia-kernel*) |
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| 19:20.32 | guru | chealer: i compiled it from source |
| 19:20.36 | chealer | guru: did you upgrade or just install? |
| 19:20.43 | guru | install |
| 19:20.46 | prodope | how would i see who's trying to login to my system with ssh? |
| 19:21.03 | guru | but i'm thinking the upgrade i did earlier today might have messed it up |
| 19:21.03 | ecko | can anyone help me out with this gnupg error? |
| 19:21.13 | pgmillard | prodope: check /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:21.18 | bozomar | prodope: /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:21.19 | chealer | guru: paste dpkg -l 'nvidia*' to #flood |
| 19:21.20 | prodope | pgmillard: thanks |
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| 19:21.44 | eob84 | what version of debian should I download? |
| 19:21.47 | Virtual | Package kyim is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:21.50 | rking | http://panoptic.com/rking/WebService-NoPaste-0.01.tar.gz # if i could just get one person to download & run this & let me know if it works, I'd be rather happy. It's a command-line interface for http://rafb.net/paste |
| 19:21.52 | jetdotnet | sarge of course |
| 19:21.54 | Virtual | can I overwrite this and install anyway ? |
| 19:22.02 | eob84 | I donloaded woody |
| 19:22.12 | eob84 | it gave me issues |
| 19:22.14 | eob84 | is that why? |
| 19:22.17 | jetdotnet | !tell eob84 about d-i |
| 19:22.19 | rking | the source is very small, so if you're worried about security you could read it top-to-bottom in minutes |
| 19:22.32 | guru | wtf? why are there so many of them listed? |
| 19:22.42 | guru | i'm pretty sure that's not supposed to be that way |
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| 19:23.14 | stouse1 | Quick question, folks. A lot of times, a package will depend on a list of potential candidates. "Depends: a | b | c". A lot of times, when you first install the system, the list of packages depended on has a different order, or has different items. "Depends: a | b | c" may be the case when you first install the system, but later, a "d" option is added and made preferred. "Depends: d | a | b | c". Case in point, GNOME used to depend on magi |
| 19:23.20 | chealer | put "COLUMNS=200 " at the beginning if your command and grep nvidia-kernel |
| 19:23.25 | guru | ok |
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| 19:23.49 | takatumi | gothtec: one of the first hits on google for your error. "ACPI-0179: *** Warning: The ACPI AML in your computer contains errors, please nag the manufacturer to correct it." |
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| 19:24.48 | guru | chealer: is that better? |
| 19:24.51 | guru | FieldySnuts: i get many of those, i just ignore them |
| 19:24.53 | guru | so far they haven't presented a problem |
| 19:25.21 | guru | chealer: 2.6.820050125 is the correct version |
| 19:25.34 | eob84 | it is 9 cd's? |
| 19:25.39 | eob84 | how many of them do I need? |
| 19:25.45 | dude | anyone use debian here? |
| 19:25.48 | resiak | stouse1: Truncated at " GNOME used to depend on magi" |
| 19:25.50 | stouse1 | dude: no |
| 19:25.51 | dude | :P |
| 19:25.54 | jetdotnet | eob84: you need the 115 mb iso |
| 19:25.56 | guru | dude: no, we use freebsd here :P |
| 19:25.56 | stouse1 | resiak: d'oh, thanks |
| 19:26.00 | Pappa | Apr 25 21:22:09 jochr kernel: usb 4-1: PocketPC PDA converter now attached to ttyUSB0 |
| 19:26.01 | streuner_ | dude: what do you think? ;-) |
| 19:26.03 | jetdotnet | that's all.. and a net connection |
| 19:26.08 | Pappa | how do i communicate with it? |
| 19:26.12 | jetdotnet | :::streuner::: |
| 19:26.15 | FieldySnuts | @it |
| 19:26.16 | stouse1 | Case in point, GNOME used to depend on magicdev, but now depends on gnome-volume-manager or magicdev, with gvm placed first. The only reason I noticed this was because of luck, and gnome-volume-manager seems to be a lot nicer than magicdev. |
| 19:26.16 | ravenbird | "It" is a clown that eats children but turns out to be a spider sorta thing. |
| 19:26.21 | chealer | guru: yes...it looks good though. you're uysing 2.6.8-2 right? |
| 19:26.21 | stouse1 | Is there any way to automatically discover which packages you currently have installed have a list of choices for dependencies, and to see which ones are satisfied by an option other than the first? |
| 19:26.25 | streuner_ | jetdotnet: hi |
| 19:26.33 | guru | chealer: no, 2.6.8-4 |
| 19:26.35 | pgmillard | Does anyone know where I can get the kernel-source-nonfree-2.6.11 pkgs ?? |
| 19:26.40 | guru | chealer: custom compile |
| 19:26.45 | guru | 2.6.820050125 |
| 19:26.52 | jetdotnet | nonfree? wtf is that |
| 19:27.04 | greycat | jetdotnet: evil. |
| 19:27.11 | guru | jetdotnet: proprietary software, nvidia drivers, etc |
| 19:27.16 | pgmillard | jetdotnet: apparently, it's where the tg3 modules went.. they aren't in .11, but were in .9 :( |
| 19:27.36 | pgmillard | and apt-cache search doesn't find them either. |
| 19:27.38 | jetdotnet | never heard of a non-free linux kernel |
| 19:27.40 | guru | chealer: so why are there so many versions installed? |
| 19:27.42 | eob84 | I was looking at the complete cd's |
| 19:27.42 | chealer | guru: hum, a custom compiled one... i never tried that. you used the fourth installation method from the Debian-nVidia HOWTO? |
| 19:27.53 | _elo_ | Hello, does anybody know about scripting support for local patches? I conceive of something like "aptitude install" which detects a local patch someware and then download the source package, apply the local patch, build a local .deb and install this one instead. |
| 19:28.06 | rking | actually, that source was even shorter than i advertised - it was an empty tarball (no "MANIFEST"). New one's up there, same place: http://panoptic.com/rking/WebService-NoPaste-0.01.tar.gz |
| 19:28.19 | chealer | guru: there's only one installed AFAICan See |
| 19:28.21 | drac | Does anyone see something wrong with this configuration: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~sasuomin/XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 19:28.41 | drac | About keyboard, or mouse? |
| 19:28.43 | guru | chealer: not sure of the link, but i followed the steps from the first hit on google |
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| 19:28.57 | chealer | !tell guru about nvidia-howto |
| 19:29.00 | stouset | resiak: any clue? :-) |
| 19:29.00 | drac | Or is this guy i'm trying to help just fscking something him self up. |
| 19:29.02 | pgmillard | guru: do you know where those nonfree pkgs are? |
| 19:29.03 | streuner_ | drac: USB? |
| 19:29.06 | drac | streuner_: Yes. |
| 19:29.08 | drac | streuner_: 2.6 |
| 19:29.09 | chealer | guru: that's what I'm referring to |
| 19:29.11 | guru | chealer: thanks, i was just getting ready to ask for that :) |
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| 19:29.26 | resiak | stouset: No. |
| 19:29.28 | guru | i'll follow that and come back afterwards, hopefully in x then :) |
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| 19:29.34 | streuner_ | drac: so usbmouse factoid didn't help? |
| 19:29.40 | guru | pgmillard: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:30.38 | jetdotnet | the modules maybe, drac |
| 19:30.49 | vitriol | is it possible to install something from unstable with apt-get? |
| 19:30.52 | pgmillard | guru: I've got: http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 19:30.55 | aladino_ | Hi, somebody have a ATI Radeon 9550? |
| 19:30.59 | chealer | guru: just to be sure what you mean with 2.6.8 is that you compiled your current kernel from kernel-source-2.6.8 2.6.8-4? |
| 19:30.59 | pgmillard | guru: and still no dice. |
| 19:31.05 | jetdotnet | no, nobody does |
| 19:31.05 | stew | vitriol: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 19:31.06 | rking | vitriol: are you running stable or something? |
| 19:31.12 | guru | pgmillard: you should be set then, just run apt-get update |
| 19:31.23 | pgmillard | I did.. lemme re-run. |
| 19:31.30 | jetdotnet | vitriol: apt-pinning, but you probably do't want to do that |
| 19:31.36 | guru | chealer: no, i compiled from 2.6.8 and 2.6.8-4 is my name for it |
| 19:31.40 | ILF_ | anyone? a while back i accidentially enterered a local domain in addition to hostname using etherconf. i got rid of it in some file, now it doesn't show when booting, in shells or running "hustname -d". but i just ssh'd to my bsd box and it told me "login from hostname.domain", which i do not want. how can i get rid of that completely? |
| 19:31.41 | jetdotnet | ~fglrx |
| 19:31.45 | takatumi | and this search is still about a non-free kernel? |
| 19:32.10 | greycat | !fglrx |
| 19:32.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 19:32.10 | guru | i'm about ready to switch back to a stock kernel |
| 19:32.10 | jetdotnet | ah |
| 19:32.10 | stew | afaik the non-free kernel modules haven't entered unstable yet |
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| 19:32.20 | vitriol | jetdotnet: no apt pinning is a little more painful that what i was hoping for |
| 19:32.29 | jetdotnet | just use the .run /me ducks fearing wrath of directhex|work |
| 19:32.30 | guru | ok, back to insanity... |
| 19:32.30 | stouset | stew: any expectation of when they will? |
| 19:32.46 | pgmillard | guru: same thing... no kernel-source-nonfree pkgs are found. |
| 19:32.51 | stew | stouset: i have no idea, look at the debian-kernel mailing list |
| 19:32.56 | pgmillard | guru: I didn't see anything at packets.debian.org either. |
| 19:33.00 | chealer | guru: that would be a good idea |
| 19:33.13 | chealer | guru: otherwise tell me what version of kernel-source you compiled from |
| 19:33.14 | takatumi | pgmillard: what exactly are you searching for? |
| 19:33.16 | jetdotnet | packages |
| 19:33.18 | alfatau | hi, can u help me to get my usb hard drive or usb key working? i'm not able to understand what's the problem: i compiled the kernel from scratch to add the hw feature i need to get my laptop full working, but now usb storage peripherals don't work anymore :( |
| 19:33.27 | pgmillard | takatumi: kernel-source-nonfree |
| 19:33.40 | jetdotnet | you need the sd_* modules as well, iirc |
| 19:33.48 | jetdotnet | there is no non-free |
| 19:33.57 | stouset | How do I display the dependencies for a package name? |
| 19:34.07 | jetdotnet | apt-cache show |
| 19:34.08 | pgmillard | according to the changelog there is.... those modules must've gone someplace. |
| 19:34.14 | stouset | I've got a list of installed packages, need to find out what their explicit deps are. |
| 19:34.17 | FarrisG | can someone help me figure out why I can print to my ps LaserJet 4050 on a JetDirect from everything except firefox? |
| 19:34.22 | takatumi | pgmillard: nothing like it yet. |
| 19:34.25 | stouset | jetdotnet: danke |
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| 19:34.29 | bozomar | stouset: dpkg -s package_name, or apt-cache show package_name if it's not installed |
| 19:34.40 | streuner_ | stouset: usually its just enough to run apt-get install foo? |
| 19:34.41 | Xerex | seldon: ok seems like its working |
| 19:34.42 | jetdotnet | or if it is |
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| 19:35.21 | jetdotnet | hellboy on steroids i guess |
| 19:35.21 | Xerex | I mean the dpkg -i does |
| 19:35.24 | pgmillard | takatumi: guru seemed to indicate that what I was talking about existed. |
| 19:36.10 | takatumi | master_foo: please turn that off. |
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| 19:36.16 | olecr | is there a make-jpkg for stable_? |
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| 19:36.34 | jetdotnet | probably not |
| 19:36.35 | olecr | i couldnt find java-package in backports |
| 19:36.36 | mihaly | I get this: http://www.pastebin.com/275862 when trying to compile a kernel |
| 19:36.40 | streuner_ | olecr: blackdown have some java debs |
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| 19:36.53 | olecr | streuner_: elaborate |
| 19:36.55 | greycat | olecr: get it from sarge. it's designed to run on woody. |
| 19:37.04 | jetdotnet | i heard the blackdown dev's recommend some other package? |
| 19:37.07 | greycat | olecr: didn't you read the factoids and the FAQ? |
| 19:37.14 | greycat | !wikifaq UseJava olecr |
| 19:37.15 | dpkg | UseJava: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/olecr or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:37.15 | jetdotnet | or something |
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| 19:37.32 | greycat | or maybe it's InstallJava. I forget which. That's why I have that fallback in the !wikifaq * factoid. |
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| 19:37.54 | olecr | greycat: there was none :Z |
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| 19:38.08 | greycat | !wikifaq InstallJava olecr |
| 19:38.08 | olecr | greycat: only a message that it was under constrction |
| 19:38.09 | dpkg | InstallJava: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/olecr or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:38.12 | guru | chealer: does dpkg -l 'nvidia*' list what packages are installed? |
| 19:38.27 | greycat | bah. |
| 19:38.36 | greycat | !wikifaq olecr InstallJava |
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| 19:38.36 | mihaly | doesn't anyone know? |
| 19:38.36 | dpkg | olecr: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallJava or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:38.45 | seldon | Xerex: The install script probably tried to load the module too. ask lsmod whether ipw2100 is loaded, if it is, it highly probably works |
| 19:38.51 | chealer | chealer: no, it lists all packages that dpkg knows about with that name, and tells their status in the two letters code |
| 19:38.56 | seldon | Then you only need to configure the interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:39.04 | olecr | you cant expect me to go through 100 pages in google when i can ask here! :) |
| 19:39.13 | guru | chealer: how do i list what is currentlu installed? i want to remove every trace of nvidia first |
| 19:39.14 | takatumi | mihaly: nothing on google? |
| 19:39.19 | greycat | !wikifaq olecr InstallJava |
| 19:39.20 | dpkg | olecr: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallJava or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:39.24 | mihaly | where should i start? |
| 19:39.26 | greycat | !FAQsmite olecr |
| 19:39.26 | dpkg | olecr: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:39.27 | chealer | guru: |grep ii |
| 19:39.30 | guru | ok |
| 19:40.41 | guru | chealer: dpkg -r states that it's not installed but it's marked with ii |
| 19:41.16 | Gathond | guru: are you sure you have the complete package name? |
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| 19:41.24 | guru | Gathond: no |
| 19:41.33 | guru | it just lists nvidia-kernel- |
| 19:41.37 | Gathond | guru: dpkg -l might not show the whole name if that field is not large enough |
| 19:42.02 | Gathond | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:42.06 | Gathond | try that instead |
| 19:42.07 | guru | ahh ok, thanks |
| 19:42.11 | guru | that did it :) |
| 19:42.20 | takatumi | mihaly: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301488 |
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| 19:42.23 | olecr | !faq java-package |
| 19:42.23 | dpkg | java-package: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:42.25 | guru | ok, all traces removed |
| 19:42.30 | guru | here goes nothing |
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| 19:42.55 | guru | for a custom compiled kernel, the headers will be in the same location as the source correct? |
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| 19:43.14 | ale5 | hi, udevd is replacement for devfsd ??? |
| 19:43.19 | greycat | guru: you should be using make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 19:43.27 | pgmillard | jetdotnet: this is what I'm talking about: http://weblog.dividedsky.net/~dilinger/index.php?p=21 |
| 19:43.48 | olecr | can i specifu somehow in sources.list that i want to fetch java-package from testing while the rest from stable? |
| 19:43.59 | greycat | olecr: just download the fucker. it's only one package! |
| 19:44.02 | Xerex | seldon: ok module is finally loaded, just wondering, what do you under yout /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 19:44.04 | greycat | don't fuck with pinning for *that*. |
| 19:44.28 | mihaly | takatumi: thanks I read it and try to figure out what to do |
| 19:45.08 | guru | ok, restarting |
| 19:45.50 | stouset | Woot. |
| 19:46.11 | stouset | PACKAGES=`COLUMNS=200 dpkg --list | egrep "^ii" | tr -s " " | cut -d\ -f2 | tr "\n" " "`; apt-cache show $PACKAGES | egrep "^Depends:" | cut -d\ -f2- | tr "," "\n" | less | sed -e "s/^ *//g" | grep ".*|.*" | sort | uniq |
| 19:46.38 | stouset | That finds all installed packages with choices for dependencies, and stores the list of packages into $PACKAGES so they can be compared later. |
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| 19:47.29 | chris | does X start after everything in /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 19:48.03 | mihaly | takatumi: Am i suppose to paste that patch code into a file en run "patch -p1 <file> ? |
| 19:48.06 | streuner_ | chris: what does X have to do with /etc/init.d) |
| 19:48.07 | greycat | chris: ls /etc/rc2.d |
| 19:48.11 | dondelelcaro | chris: depends on when you're starting X |
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| 19:48.29 | streuner_ | chris: gdm? |
| 19:48.34 | chris | dondelecaro ah how do i figure out when i'm starting x ? |
| 19:48.40 | Xerex | seldon: are u around ? |
| 19:49.59 | greycat | chris: ls /etc/rc2.d |
| 19:50.13 | greycat | chris: either you're typing 'startx' (in which case you wouldn't ask) or it's in /etc/rc2.d |
| 19:50.18 | chris | xdm right ? |
| 19:51.31 | Xerex | where can one configure the ethx devices ? |
| 19:51.35 | mea | chris: and /etc/init.d/xfree86-common |
| 19:51.38 | takatumi | mihaly: not sure, try it after backing up, or try another kernel. |
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| 19:52.03 | Ragan | Xerex, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:52.20 | mihaly | how do i set the priority for threads in linux? |
| 19:52.52 | Xerex | Ragan: well, there is a contradictory then. when doing ifconfig -a I get an eth2, which has absolutely no presence under /etc/network/interfaces.. so wehre did that eth2 come from ? |
| 19:53.42 | Xerex | eth2 is a wireless card, its supposed to be eth0 but when reinstalled the driver it appeared |
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| 19:55.02 | guru | everything is working perfectly with a stock kernel, thanks everyone for your help |
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| 19:55.37 | seldon | Xerex: Something like this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cfrUUP50.html |
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| 19:56.05 | seldon | At least, that's how it works on my laptop with ipw2200 |
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| 19:56.19 | Xerex | seldon : any idea where am getting an interface that does not exist under /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 19:56.57 | greycat | Xerex: hotplug? |
| 19:57.02 | Xerex | like now I do iwconfig -a and eth2 apears to be the wireless card, but its not anywhere under interfaces |
| 19:57.10 | seldon | Not every interface the kernel knows has to be configured in e/n/i |
| 19:57.13 | bozomar | Xerex: Add your interface to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:57.32 | Xerex | but I would like to know where eth2 is coming from |
| 19:57.36 | poh | I want to write a script that will kill a program that it executes, is there a way for me to know the pid? or is there a better way to do it? |
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| 19:57.47 | Xerex | greycat: what do you mean ? |
| 19:57.51 | bozomar | poh: use pkill |
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| 19:58.04 | bozomar | poh: pkill name_of_the_program |
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| 19:58.16 | poh | bozomar: thanks |
| 19:59.09 | fatal_ | IIRC there's unofficial X.org packages for Sarge available somwhere (so I don't have to mess up my install with the ubuntu packages).... Has anyone tried any X.org packages and have some hints which works best (or how I could make all dependencies available if I install from source)? |
| 19:59.18 | seldon | Xerex: Probably ipw2100 is exporting it. As for me, I get eth2 and wlan0 from ipw2200. They both seem to be the same card, but I can only use wlan0. Possibly it's some relict from earlier versions or so |
| 19:59.25 | fatal_ | (I need Radeon X800 support and I don't want to use the binary drivers) |
| 19:59.47 | Xerex | seldon: ya, so the entry under interfaces should do the trick |
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| 20:00.37 | Xerex | seldon: ok, I got a folder entry for eth2 under /sys/class/net/eth2 |
| 20:00.51 | mea | @fatal_ there are unofficial packages on www.debian-desktop.org I also saw some on apt-get.org |
| 20:00.52 | ravenbird | mea: okay |
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| 20:01.17 | drac | fatal_: I'm using /msg dpkg get xorg instructions, and I have x-window-system installed, just removed xserver-xfree86. I have no problems with it. But at your own risk. |
| 20:01.17 | greycat | @literal fatal_ there |
| 20:01.18 | ravenbird | "fatal_ there" is "<REPLY> are unofficial packages on http://www.debian-desktop.org I also saw some on apt-get.org" |
| 20:01.26 | greycat | ravenbird: forget fatal_ there |
| 20:01.27 | ravenbird | i forgot fatal_ there, greycat |
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| 20:02.09 | fatal_ | ok.. thanks guys |
| 20:02.15 | simonrvn | mea: please don't fuck up the bot, thanks |
| 20:02.22 | andax | i have a silicon image (sil3112) sata controller (according to lspci), but linux doesn't seem to recognize it despite i have support for it in the kernel. (siimage.c). i tried with *, then nothing happens on boot, as if the card wouldnt even exists. when i compile siimage as module, modprobe is okay but lsmod shows it's used by nothing. |
| 20:02.32 | andax | (debian woody if that matters) |
| 20:02.50 | andax | and kernel version is 2.4.28 with grsec |
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| 20:03.36 | andax | i have really no idea what to do now |
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| 20:04.03 | guru | would installing glut with the nvidia drivers mess anything up? |
| 20:04.17 | tinkerer | why when I set USERGROUPS=no and USERS_GID=100 |
| 20:04.17 | Xerex | how can I COMPLETELY reinstall, reset locale ? |
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| 20:04.26 | tinkerer | and issue command adduser |
| 20:04.27 | bucky | andax, how do you load siimage? modprobe ? |
| 20:04.31 | simonrvn | mea: using @ as a precursor to saying something. that's one of the bot's triggers |
| 20:04.41 | simonrvn | one of the bots in here anyway |
| 20:04.42 | richard_ | sigh, i dont understand the syntax of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:04.49 | tinkerer | it creates new user to create a standalone group? |
| 20:04.51 | bozomar | Xerex: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:04.52 | mea | simonrvn: ah. ok. wont happen again |
| 20:04.57 | fatal_ | richard_: apt-setup can configure it for you. |
| 20:04.59 | andax | bucky: modprobe siimage (output is nothing, syslog nothing), lsmod shows used by 0 |
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| 20:05.12 | Xerex | bozomar: did not do it :P |
| 20:05.13 | tinkerer | I SET that the group should be 100... |
| 20:05.16 | chris | richard what confuses you ? |
| 20:05.17 | tinkerer | how can I do it? |
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| 20:05.32 | andax | bucky: but if it's compiled with [*] nothing happens (card not mentioned in dmesg/syslog) |
| 20:05.53 | bozomar | Xerex: Did it give any error? |
| 20:05.56 | bucky | andax, is the controller turned on in the bios |
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| 20:06.29 | valdyn | andax: why do you think "siimage.c" would be for your sata controller? |
| 20:06.37 | andax | bucky: one of them is integrated to the motherboard,and another of the same type is a pci add-on card. and yes, bios detects all disks on them at boot time. |
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| 20:06.45 | bozomar | Xerex: You can edit /etc/locale.gen and type your locale there, then type locale-gen command |
| 20:06.48 | bucky | i don't know |
| 20:07.14 | andax | valdyn: i have no idea, the help in the menuconfig screen said it is for my card. |
| 20:07.18 | Xerex | bozomar: let me try that |
| 20:07.35 | richard_ | is security.debian.com down for anyone else? |
| 20:07.42 | richard_ | er .org |
| 20:07.43 | andax | valdyn: lspci says "RAID bus controller: CMD Technology Inc: Unknown device 3112 (rev 02)" |
| 20:07.59 | bozomar | richard_: Not for me |
| 20:08.21 | richard_ | i get a timeout, always |
| 20:08.32 | Xerex | richard_ : works here |
| 20:08.33 | valdyn | andax: the driver in siimage.c is for parallel ata controllers from silicon image |
| 20:08.50 | bozomar | richard_: What about any other adresses in sources.list |
| 20:09.01 | richard_ | bozomar: all work |
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| 20:09.44 | bucky | andax, http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/01/msg00771.html |
| 20:09.47 | andax | valdyn: the help says "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SIIMAGE: This driver provides (U)DMA support for the SII3112 SATA controllers and ..." |
| 20:09.49 | bozomar | richard_: strange! Can you ping security.debian.org |
| 20:09.54 | richard_ | nope |
| 20:10.03 | andax | valdyn: which driver should i use instead? |
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| 20:10.10 | richard_ | times out as well |
| 20:10.21 | andax | is this siimage only for the dma stuff? |
| 20:10.27 | valdyn | andax: sec |
| 20:10.34 | k-dog | Drupal configuration (apache 1.3 / mysql) config help needed. |
| 20:10.55 | k-dog | I'm at the same point I was yesterday with Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /usr/share/drupal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 31 |
| 20:11.17 | andax | bucky thanks but this is another issue, i have no problem with raid since i have it disabled. i dont' even see the card/disks in dmesg. |
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| 20:11.50 | bucky | andax, according to that link you need ide-detect loaded first |
| 20:12.01 | andax | ide-detect? |
| 20:12.03 | richard_ | bozomar: must be an isp problem |
| 20:12.05 | valdyn | andax: were you in a 2.6 or 2.4 kernel ( i cant help for 2.4.x ) |
| 20:12.16 | andax | i have 2.4.28+grsec |
| 20:12.27 | andax | but it's no problem to upgrade |
| 20:12.37 | bozomar | richard_: Is there a firewall or any other software that filter your incoming traffic? |
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| 20:13.27 | valdyn | andax: alright, point is i have no idea about 2.4.x and sata, except that i know its better in 2.6. In 2.6 your module should be "sata_sil" ( while siimage sure exists too ) |
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| 20:13.56 | Xerex | seldon: ok I installed gdm, and I am getting an error |
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| 20:14.07 | richard_ | bozomar: i haven't installed one yet, years ago my isp said something about not needing one on their network, but it has never caused problems |
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| 20:14.25 | richard_ | dns works for it just fine, it spits out an ip when i ping it |
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| 20:14.41 | andax | valdyn: so i have big chance that if I upgrade to 2.6.11 it will work |
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| 20:14.49 | andax | and almost no chance about 2.4 |
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| 20:14.54 | andax | good. :( |
| 20:15.01 | bozomar | richard_: Try to ping this: 194.109.137.218 |
| 20:15.12 | bozomar | richard_: This is security.debian.org |
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| 20:15.35 | andax | bucky: can you help me about this ide-detect module? i can't seem to find it... |
| 20:15.45 | richard_ | bozomar: nothing, dns is working though, ping told me that was the ip when i pinged security.debian.org as well |
| 20:15.50 | bucky | andax, i gave you a link |
| 20:16.11 | Xerex | YOur session lasted only 10 seconds. If you hae not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may be out of diskspace. Try loging in with one of the failsafe sessions to see if you can fix the problem. ~/.xsession-errors file shows: xlib: cannection to "0.0" refused by server |
| 20:16.38 | Xerex | athen ksplash: cannot coonect to X server :) |
| 20:16.43 | Xerex | athen ksplash: cannot coonect to X server :0 |
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| 20:17.17 | Xerex | anyone has any idea about this error ? |
| 20:17.19 | bozomar | richard_: Sory, but i can't figure out what could be the problem, may be the server is too busy, but it's work for me now |
| 20:17.20 | gothtec | How can I reconfigure my mailsystem? I need to get to where I can set who gets root's mail and such |
| 20:17.45 | Lupurus | hi, I want to activate eSound in my control center, but I'm getting the message "Couldn't connect to server" - ALSA for example works, what can I do? |
| 20:17.53 | bozomar | gothtec: What are you using as MTA? |
| 20:17.53 | andax | gothtec: dpkg-reconfigure package |
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| 20:18.07 | valdyn | gothtec: which mta? |
| 20:18.16 | gothtec | bozomar: exim4. it came with the sarge netinstall. |
| 20:18.29 | bozomar | gothtec: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 then |
| 20:18.57 | richard_ | are there any security.debian.org mirrors? |
| 20:19.07 | bozomar | richard_: No |
| 20:19.13 | valdyn | gothtec: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 20:20.01 | Soeki | what is the default mysql 4 port for debian? |
| 20:20.04 | Xerex | anyone can help me with why would my login crash ? |
| 20:20.14 | andax | Soeki: 3306? |
| 20:20.33 | Soeki | i thought so |
| 20:20.39 | andax | Soeki: or use netstat -nlp |grep mysql and you'll see where it is listening |
| 20:20.44 | valdyn | Soeki: grep mysql /etc/services |
| 20:20.51 | mwilson | Soeki: Debian doesn't listen on the network by default, just like the package told you when you installed it. |
| 20:21.08 | andax | mwilson: luckily :) |
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| 20:21.30 | mwilson | andax: You wouldn't actually expect anyone to pay attention to the important messages they get when things are installed, of course. |
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| 20:21.39 | Delph | mwilson: have you seen? they've upgraded it so now it only listens on localhost, but has networking enabled. |
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| 20:21.56 | Soeki | mysql 3306/tcp # MySQL |
| 20:21.56 | Soeki | mysql 3306/udp # MySQL |
| 20:21.58 | Delph | or at least, latest out of testing does this. |
| 20:22.07 | mwilson | Delph: No, I hadn't seen... that doesn't seem like an upgrade to me. |
| 20:22.42 | Delph | mwilson: anyone with access to localhost:3306 without coming in from the outside will most likely be able to hit the unix domain socket as well. |
| 20:23.05 | mwilson | Delph: Yes, so why change it? |
| 20:23.08 | andax | mwilson: dont blame users for it. ppl who brought up on microsoft stuff quickly learned that "are you sure" questions not worth reading |
| 20:23.17 | DaFresh | anyone know if there is en "ldd like" for perl scripts ? |
| 20:23.26 | DaFresh | s/en/an |
| 20:23.31 | mwilson | andax: Hardly. Don't go making excuses. |
| 20:23.42 | Delph | mwilson: so "skip-networking" (a pain) is equivalent to "bind to localhost only" (less of a pain) |
| 20:23.49 | Delph | pain = having to go edit it. |
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| 20:24.09 | Delph | and equivalent = having equal security. |
| 20:24.18 | mwilson | Delph: You SHOULD have to go edit it. |
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| 20:24.47 | Delph | mwilson: the default install should be one which is secure and does what the vast majority of people want. |
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| 20:25.58 | scorphus | what does the | mean as in: md5sum page_hits_graph.tar.gz >| page_hits_graph.tar.gz.md5sum ? |
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| 20:26.11 | mwilson | There has GOT to be an easier way than blocking these IP's one at a time. |
| 20:26.17 | simonrvn | it's a pipe |
| 20:26.34 | scorphus | but why not just > |
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| 20:26.38 | cyklus | is there any way to make my laptop suspend to disk when it runs low on batteries? |
| 20:26.50 | andax | cyklus: apm -s ? |
| 20:27.22 | simonrvn | scorphus: dunno, i would've just done '>' myself |
| 20:27.48 | Delph | scorphus: it clobbers the file even if it exists |
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| 20:28.10 | simonrvn | oh yeh... |
| 20:28.11 | Delph | man bash | grep "redirection operator" |
| 20:28.17 | Delph | (or doing that the proper way) |
| 20:28.28 | deshi | how do i make it on my system so that a specific user can add files via ftp but cannot delete files from said ftp directory and sub directories? |
| 20:28.46 | Delph | .oO( remembering yesterday: install wu-ftpd ) |
| 20:28.51 | Delph | deshi: that's not a suggestion. |
| 20:28.55 | scorphus | thanks! |
| 20:29.03 | andax | deshi set the file permissions or see your ftpd manual |
| 20:29.12 | deshi | ok |
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| 20:29.26 | deshi | just wasn't sure where to start looking at the system perms or the ftp perms |
| 20:29.32 | andax | ftp perms |
| 20:29.36 | mwilson | File permissions aren't going to help him. Only the daemon is. |
| 20:29.43 | deshi | thanks |
| 20:30.04 | jerome | deshi: you can set a "create mask" so that ppl can upload files but can't read/write then anymore ... |
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| 20:30.29 | deshi | well i want them to be able to read still |
| 20:30.34 | deshi | just not delete what others upload |
| 20:30.46 | jerome | deshi: them, you will have to tune the create mask |
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| 20:30.53 | Delph | deshi: can they delete what they themselves upload? |
| 20:30.57 | deshi | no |
| 20:31.07 | Delph | just checking. |
| 20:31.17 | Delph | (otherwise it would be a fairly simple group system) |
| 20:31.28 | ale5 | create mask = interesting, can you do this with ssh ? |
| 20:32.13 | jerome | create mask is the samba stanza, I have local_umask on vsftpd, I guess something close is possible for scp |
| 20:32.14 | deshi | im not finding the information i need with the proftpd manual page |
| 20:32.20 | jerome | I have no clue about sftp |
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| 20:32.35 | jerome | deshi: search for umask |
| 20:32.45 | deshi | right on |
| 20:33.03 | k-dog | jerome: It's an SSH utility |
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| 20:33.05 | ale5 | do not use ftp, but people are complaining they easy ovevrite their files with scp |
| 20:33.06 | k-dog | jerome: sftp |
| 20:33.06 | jerome | I could be something like 377 |
| 20:33.06 | sagewicked | will reformatting a partition with mke2fs "zero out" or make the information irrievable ? if not, what is the best way ? |
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| 20:33.23 | jerome | k-dog: I mean, I have no clue about how to configure sftp |
| 20:33.24 | cyklus | andax: i want it to do it automatically |
| 20:33.48 | deshi | 377 ? |
| 20:33.53 | deshi | was that directed to me |
| 20:33.53 | k-dog | jerome: Ah ;-) |
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| 20:34.02 | jerome | deshi: ye |
| 20:34.05 | deshi | ok |
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| 20:34.14 | pipeline | sagewicked: dd if=/dev/urandom of=<raw disk device> |
| 20:34.23 | andax | deshi:check your msg |
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| 20:34.29 | pipeline | sagewicked: with an appropriate blocksize argument |
| 20:34.39 | jerome | deshi: it means it will substract 377 to the actual file perms ... depends on the server tho, I guess |
| 20:34.56 | andax | deshi: it's just an example, finetune it using the manual, these are the options you need. |
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| 20:35.04 | Xerex | hmm it seems that my ethx devices got messed up, how can I reset them all ? |
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| 20:35.09 | deshi | thanks andax |
| 20:35.23 | andax | this makes them able to upload but denies to delete to a given dir |
| 20:35.26 | jerome | Xerex: ifdown |
| 20:35.32 | lyy | what do i need to install to run a qt application that i just wrote? |
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| 20:35.48 | jerome | depends on your runtime deps |
| 20:35.50 | MegaByte | Hey, I've got an emu10k1 card and there's no sound, even though the modules are loaded. I use alsa. |
| 20:35.52 | greycat | lyy: apt-cache search -- lib qt -dev |
| 20:35.54 | MegaByte | What should I do: |
| 20:35.55 | MegaByte | ? |
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| 20:36.09 | andax | MegaByte: setmixer vol 100? :) |
| 20:36.09 | Xerex | jerome: well, how can I reinstall all inet , ethx ? |
| 20:36.15 | lyy | jerome: it says i'm missing libqt-mt.so.3 |
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| 20:36.19 | jerome | Maulkin_: pump up the valuum |
| 20:36.32 | jerome | Maulkin_: sorry |
| 20:36.35 | MegaByte | andax, the mixer is already set right |
| 20:36.49 | PerfDave | Pump up the valium? |
| 20:36.49 | jerome | MegaByte: set unmute |
| 20:36.57 | PerfDave | MegaByte: What is not giving you sound? |
| 20:37.04 | jerome | PerfDave: that was a nofx album |
| 20:37.06 | MegaByte | PerfDave, my sound card |
| 20:37.11 | andax | :)))))))))))))))) |
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| 20:37.16 | MegaByte | jerome, the channels are unmuted |
| 20:37.23 | jerome | good then |
| 20:38.04 | PerfDave | MegaByte: My soundcard doesnt' give me sound unless I try to play sound through an application either. They're meant to do that. |
| 20:38.04 | andax | MegaByte: you have to plug the speakers to the green socket |
| 20:38.04 | MegaByte | PerfDave, I only get sound after I run alsaconf |
| 20:38.04 | andax | so you get sound :) |
| 20:38.08 | Soeki | ok now i fucked up |
| 20:38.14 | MegaByte | But I have to do this every boot |
| 20:38.17 | jerome | MegaByte: what are you trying to get music played with ? |
| 20:38.25 | MegaByte | jerome, xmms... |
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| 20:38.29 | jerome | oki |
| 20:38.30 | Xerex | whats a fast place to install latest Debian distros ? |
| 20:38.35 | jerome | set it to use alsa then |
| 20:38.38 | Xerex | install = download |
| 20:38.45 | valdyn | MegaByte: try to modprobe your driver instgead of running alsaconf |
| 20:38.47 | PerfDave | Xerex: bittorrent? |
| 20:38.50 | andax | MegaByte: what happens if you do cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp? do you hear anything? |
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| 20:39.00 | jerome | Xerex: the closest mirror to you |
| 20:39.03 | MegaByte | andax, no |
| 20:39.15 | deshi | really andax thanks man i got it all working right how i want it now |
| 20:39.18 | jerome | MegaByte: try aplay |
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| 20:39.25 | Xerex | I mean web site wise |
| 20:39.38 | jerome | Xerex: go to debian.org, then mirrors |
| 20:39.45 | Xerex | k |
| 20:40.01 | valdyn | MegaByte: your driver isnt being loaded "automatically", load it manually, if that works, add it to /etc/modules |
| 20:40.10 | MegaByte | jerome, nothing... |
| 20:40.19 | MegaByte | valdyn, I'll try |
| 20:40.21 | andax | MegaByte: modprobe emu10k1? |
| 20:40.42 | olecr | ummm how do i see which packages that are installed_? |
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| 20:40.51 | andax | olecr: dpkg -l |
| 20:40.52 | PerfDave | olecr: dpkg -l |
| 20:40.58 | olecr | aah thanks :)) |
| 20:41.05 | MegaByte | andax, just loading the module doesn't work |
| 20:41.09 | olecr | been fiddling with apt for a long time now |
| 20:41.21 | jerome | olecr: --get-selection |
| 20:41.26 | i10neorg | I have an installation (w/ kernel) setup via debootstrap on /dev/sda2. I'm currently running in /dev/hda1. I thought I'd install LILO to add the option to boot into my new install (on /dev/sda2). I added an entry for it with root=/dev/sda2. Running /sbin/lilo -v 3 shows that this new entry is still using kernel on /dev/hda1 (not /dev/sda2). |
| 20:41.27 | MegaByte | andax, I still don't get any sound |
| 20:41.28 | i10neorg | What should I do? |
| 20:41.56 | andax | MegaByte: if you type "lsmod" , is the emu10k1 used by 1 or 0? |
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| 20:42.42 | MegaByte | emu10k1 84132 0 |
| 20:42.43 | MegaByte | sound 84300 1 emu10k1 |
| 20:42.43 | MegaByte | ac97_codec 18956 1 emu10k1 |
| 20:42.46 | MegaByte | andax, there |
| 20:42.57 | valdyn | MegaByte: christ. that is oss modules |
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| 20:43.16 | greycat | but realistically, if it's a depot file, you're "supposed" to use swinstall on it |
| 20:43.18 | andax | MegaByte: do you have another soundcard on your motherboard? |
| 20:43.19 | greycat | BAH! |
| 20:43.27 | olecr | i did apt-get remove nfs-common, but it still shows with dpkg -l.. do i have to remove it with dpkg? |
| 20:43.40 | MegaByte | valdyn, andax well, I've got a builtin soundcard |
| 20:43.55 | Delph | olecr: what are the status flags? |
| 20:43.58 | PerfDave | olecr: Read the output from dpkg -l more closely. Do "dpkg -l nfs-common". |
| 20:44.10 | olecr | Delph: rc |
| 20:44.10 | andax | MegaByte: so start xmms, play some music and check if it the built-in card has sound? |
| 20:44.25 | PerfDave | olecr: What do you think that means? |
| 20:44.28 | MegaByte | andax, how so? I don't hear anything at all? |
| 20:44.29 | Delph | olecr: and what do they mean? |
| 20:44.34 | Pappa | huh |
| 20:44.36 | olecr | i guess not installed then :) |
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| 20:44.42 | Pappa | SynCE actually works great |
| 20:44.48 | Pappa | just like a file system |
| 20:44.48 | Xerex | is the 3.0 r5 good enough ? |
| 20:44.52 | ik-ppc | hello, how can i install figlet? |
| 20:44.56 | Delph | olecr: look, it's on the screen RIGHT infront of you... it's even got little lines connecting up the dots. |
| 20:45.00 | olecr | is there a way to onlu list the packages that are acctually installed? |
| 20:45.00 | PerfDave | Xerex: Good enough for what? |
| 20:45.10 | PerfDave | olecr: dpkg -l | grep ^i |
| 20:45.16 | Xerex | PerfDave: I meant to say stable enough |
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| 20:45.22 | PerfDave | Xerex: Yes. |
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| 20:45.36 | olecr | voila thanks, now thats what i needed |
| 20:45.40 | Xerex | PerfDave: do u know which kernel it uses ? |
| 20:45.41 | dondelelcaro | ls -l |
| 20:45.41 | valdyn | !tell MegaByte about alsa 2.6 |
| 20:45.45 | PerfDave | Xerex: It's a stable release. It's the latest security patches applied to software from when Woody froze back in mid 2002. |
| 20:45.51 | dondelelcaro | hrm.... annoying |
| 20:45.54 | PerfDave | Xerex: It uses either 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 IIRC. |
| 20:46.04 | olecr | the great advantage with debian over freebsd, is i can ask silly questions and still get useful answers |
| 20:46.07 | MegaByte | valdyn, I already have alsa-utils |
| 20:46.08 | olecr | :p |
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| 20:46.26 | Xerex | oh I cannot download a debian elease with the 2.6 kernel ? |
| 20:46.27 | omeganine | raar, now I have even less of an idea of whats going wrong with X11 on debian. I installed mandrake (What I had laying around that used X11) and it works fine, but X11 freezes my computer with debian. |
| 20:46.31 | olecr | just kidding, i acctually did read some manuals before i asked :) |
| 20:46.33 | valdyn | MegaByte: reboot to get rid of the oss cruft |
| 20:46.44 | PerfDave | Xerex: You can, but not 3.0 |
| 20:47.01 | PerfDave | Xerex: You can install Sarge, which will be 3.1 when it is released. It is pretty stable, but has no security updates currently. |
| 20:47.03 | Xerex | do u know which one ? |
| 20:47.12 | valdyn | MegaByte: then, when you load a sound driver, load the alsa driver, not oss ( alsa drivers start w/ "snd" ) |
| 20:47.12 | PerfDave | !d-i Xerex |
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| 20:47.13 | dpkg | Xerex, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:47.18 | MegaByte | valdyn, I've already rebooted several times and it didn't help |
| 20:47.30 | valdyn | MegaByte: i know |
| 20:47.35 | Soeki | lol |
| 20:47.36 | Soeki | # Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on |
| 20:47.36 | Soeki | # localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure. |
| 20:47.36 | Soeki | bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
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| 20:47.37 | MegaByte | valdyn, ok, so how do I make sure I only load the alsa drivers? |
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| 20:47.51 | KirbyMeister | Does anyone know of a good dual-head AGP graphics card that works well with Debian? |
| 20:47.51 | Xerex | hmmm |
| 20:47.52 | Soeki | sorry =( |
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| 20:48.09 | valdyn | MegaByte: by not doing something like "modprobe emu10k1" manually |
| 20:48.17 | i10neorg | How do I tell LILO to create a boot option for a kernel not on my current root device? I'd like the option to boot using a kernel on another device. |
| 20:48.33 | onre | cal |
| 20:48.35 | MegaByte | valdyn, I just did that because you told me too |
| 20:48.37 | onre | gnngh, not here! |
| 20:48.37 | greycat | MegaByte: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 20:49.04 | valdyn | greycat: its already blacklisted |
| 20:49.06 | omeganine | Someone got a link to the newest ISO for a net install disk for debian? |
| 20:49.10 | valdyn | MegaByte: no i didnt |
| 20:49.14 | omeganine | all i see on the site is woody |
| 20:49.31 | valdyn | MegaByte: i said "load the driver manually", the driver is |
| 20:49.34 | i10neorg | What IRC channel to you recomend I ask about LILO question? |
| 20:49.39 | valdyn | MegaByte: not emu10k1 |
| 20:49.48 | Morvok | lilo? whats up? |
| 20:50.02 | omeganine | i10neorg: #lilo maybe? |
| 20:50.03 | Xerex | PerfDave: or I can install the 3.0 r5 and update the kernel |
| 20:50.05 | PerfDave | omeganine: Woody is the latest *stable* release of Debian. |
| 20:50.08 | i10neorg | Morvok: How do I tell LILO to create a boot option for a kernel not on my current root device? I'd like the option to boot using a kernel on another device. |
| 20:50.10 | PerfDave | !d-i omeganine |
| 20:50.11 | dpkg | omeganine, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:50.15 | valdyn | MegaByte: snd-emu10k1 |
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| 20:50.23 | i10neorg | omeganine: Tried that. No such thing on freenet... |
| 20:50.36 | PerfDave | Xerex: Woody doesn't have any 2.6 kernels. You can kludge one on, but if you want a 2.6 kernel you're better off installing Sarge. |
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| 20:51.05 | Xerex | PerfDave: sorry am pretty new to Debian, but where do you get sarge from ? |
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| 20:51.18 | evad | Xerex: from debian.org ;) |
| 20:51.22 | PerfDave | 21:47 < dpkg> Xerex, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 20:51.34 | omeganine | PerfDave thanks |
| 20:51.35 | MegaByte | valdyn, modprobe snd-emu10k1 doesn't work either. :( |
| 20:51.47 | omeganine | Ugh, hope my CD burning wors in mandrake |
| 20:51.53 | evad | Xerex: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/ |
| 20:51.56 | valdyn | MegaByte: did you remove the oss drivers as you were told ? |
| 20:52.01 | Morvok | i10neorg: thats not a large issue, let me find an example |
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| 20:52.08 | barretj_ | does anyone know if there's any way to get NcFTP to use mkd instead of MKD for recursive directory uploads? |
| 20:52.10 | PerfDave | Xerex: Sarge should (hopefully) release soon and get security updates, but I would consider not running it on an Internet-facing server until then unless you can handle security things yourself with the help of testing-security and the debian-security-announce list. |
| 20:52.15 | MegaByte | valdyn, do I have to remove all of them or just emu10k1? |
| 20:52.33 | barretj_ | the ftp server i am uploading to is case sensitive |
| 20:52.33 | olecr | what good is sunrpc? |
| 20:52.33 | valdyn | MegaByte: itd best be all |
| 20:52.37 | olecr | i don´t use nfs |
| 20:52.44 | MegaByte | valdyn, let me see. I'll try rebooting. |
| 20:52.53 | valdyn | hehe |
| 20:53.20 | Xerex | wow lots of CDs :) |
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| 20:53.38 | PerfDave | Xerex: You only need the first, or the netinst. Read the Installation Manual. |
| 20:53.52 | i10neorg | Morvok: Yeah, I thought I was doing it right. Made a standard entry with root=/dev/sda2 (the new drive different than my current running root). When running "lilo -v 3" though, I saw it was using my current kernel (not the one one /dev/sda2). |
| 20:54.05 | Levander | Is there a log of the packages I've installed with apt-get? When I installed a package a week ago, I want to look and see all the dependencies that were installed. So, I can remove them also. |
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| 21:08.53 | cusco | please I need help with an ipod... |
| 21:08.53 | simonrvn | !wb |
| 21:08.53 | cusco | http://rafb.net/paste/results/p6Hx9T76.html |
| 21:08.53 | olecr | aaargh it was installed by some pesky kde application, wthought i had removed all that crap |
| 21:08.53 | cusco | I don't have fsck.hfs |
| 21:08.53 | olecr | valdyn: thanks :) |
| 21:08.53 | valdyn | gothtec: i understand, i dont know a mta between ssmtp and something like exim/postfix etc.. |
| 21:08.54 | Terr1 | Im trying to get an Intel ICH6R onboard SATA raid controller to work with debian testing and kernel 2.4.28, Do anyone know if you need to use the iswraid module to be able to use it as a normal SATA controller (without raid) or if this module only is needed if your going to use it as a raid controller? |
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| 21:08.54 | valdyn | olecr: fam needs it, kde needs fam |
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| 21:08.55 | olecr | valdyn: yeah I figured, thanks .. Now i think all traces of kde should be gone! mmm |
| 21:08.55 | PerfDave | FarrisG: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/ {sub("addr:",""); print $2}' |
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| 21:08.55 | omeganine | LOL not a KDE fan? |
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| 21:08.55 | FarrisG | PerfDave: You're the man |
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| 21:08.55 | omeganine | OK going to try reinstalling debian. Someone wish me luck! |
| 21:08.56 | omeganine | :P |
| 21:08.56 | gothtec | luck, omeganine |
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| 21:08.57 | FarrisG | PerfDave: Mind breaking that down for me, so that perhaps I might learn something and not have to ask you to do my work for me in the future? :) |
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| 21:08.57 | dpkg | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
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| 21:08.58 | simonrvn | dpkg: slow poke |
| 21:08.58 | commx | i've got a problem with sarge, some application's font size is minimalistic (ex: xmms), i can't read the items in the menu - what's causing that? |
| 21:09.17 | SuperSox | xmms's skin probably |
| 21:10.19 | commx | no |
| 21:10.36 | commx | i'll show you some screenshot and you'll see |
| 21:10.39 | olecr | where should I set local variables like JAVA_OPTS in debian (comparable to /etc/rc.d/rc.local) |
| 21:10.49 | olecr | and JAVA_HOME, etc |
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| 21:11.05 | commx | http ://home.commx.ws/gfx/xmms_klein.jpg (sorry for the url) |
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| 21:11.41 | sparr_w | hooray, my computer can deliver email now! |
| 21:11.53 | lord_of_scorn | yeah ;) |
| 21:12.33 | phaedral | anyone know of any downside to making /opt a link or symlink to /usr/lib? |
| 21:12.47 | commx | it's not just xmms, some other applications have the same problems with the fonts.. someone told me it's a problem with old gtk libs |
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| 21:13.10 | sparr_w | phaedral: yeah... you dont want a lot of stuff installed in /usr/lib |
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| 21:13.39 | yosii | ok, i'm using debian sarge on my client machine, got it going, but having problems starting nfs and nis clients at boot |
| 21:13.45 | phaedral | sparr_w: thx; just got the openoffice installed, it went in /usr/lib, but kde looks for it in /opt; |
| 21:13.51 | yosii | was using slack before |
| 21:13.53 | valdyn | !dpi |
| 21:13.53 | dpkg | methinks dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 21:13.54 | phaedral | clues for the worthy supplicant? |
| 21:14.26 | yosii | any help? |
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| 21:14.42 | PerfDave | FarrisG: Well, I just worked it out from reading the awk manpage. The /inet addr:/ bit means "execute the bit in the bracket if this line contains "inet addr". The sub() bit substitutes out "addr:" from the line. print $2 prints the second whitespace-delimited field on the line. |
| 21:14.56 | yosii | i'm not used to the init.d setup as debian, more used to the rc.(whatever) of slackware |
| 21:15.09 | zahod | commx, change font size with gtk-theme-switch |
| 21:15.10 | abrotman | yosii: there is a README in /etc/init.d |
| 21:15.16 | FarrisG | PerfDave: Perfect sense, thanks |
| 21:15.27 | yosii | abrotman, it says little |
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| 21:16.20 | zahod | commx, if you run a DE, the preferences can probably do it as well |
| 21:16.35 | abrotman | yosii: the comment on the last line doesn't help? |
| 21:17.02 | sparr_w | yosii: there are /etc/rcX.d/ directories for each runlevel, they just contain various symlinks to the 'everything' init.d dir |
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| 21:17.28 | pixil9 | Anyone here know a good program for X to monitor snmp from my router? |
| 21:17.39 | rking | is there a way to remove a package and all its dependencies (if they're not depended-on by something else)? |
| 21:17.50 | abrotman | rking: kind of .. |
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| 21:17.57 | sparr_w | rking: you mean its dependents? |
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| 21:18.04 | PerfDave | rking: debfoster, deborphan? |
| 21:18.08 | abrotman | not automated .. ulness you set up previously with debfoster .. but deborphan will help you clean up |
| 21:18.30 | pixil9 | just run deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge |
| 21:18.37 | rking | ahh, gotcha |
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| 21:19.00 | pixil9 | auto-remove stale libs |
| 21:19.17 | chealer | according to man mkinitrd, "If the directory /lib/modules/version/initrd exists, the modules in it will be included on the initrd image. They will be loaded at boot time." I have a /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-k7/initrd/vesafb.ko so vesafb will be included. I want to use mkinitrd to keep my kernel from loading vesafb at boot. vesafb.ko is provided by kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7. How can I do that? |
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| 21:20.20 | patrickfwork | hi, can somebody help me for debian install (beginner) |
| 21:20.46 | commx | i'll try. thanks |
| 21:20.48 | abrotman | start with the problem you're having |
| 21:20.51 | PerfDave | pixil9: You might want to run deborphan first to check the output in case it installs something nasty. |
| 21:20.52 | iq | Hi, how do I query an installed package? I want to do 'rpm -qa|grep php'. How do we do this on Debian? |
| 21:20.57 | PerfDave | s/installs/removed/ |
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| 21:21.03 | abrotman | iq: dpkg -l | grep blah |
| 21:21.05 | patrickfwork | the system asks me to choose "Ext2" or "Ext3" |
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| 21:21.06 | PerfDave | iq: What does "rpm -qa|grep php" do? |
| 21:21.07 | lord_of_scorn | good night |
| 21:21.17 | abrotman | !tell iq about refcard |
| 21:21.17 | PerfDave | patrickfwork: You want ext3. |
| 21:21.21 | gothtec | When installing X, is it generally a good idea to entrust font management to defoma? |
| 21:21.26 | patrickfwork | I don't know |
| 21:21.31 | iq | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 21:21.42 | patrickfwork | standard is Ext2 or? |
| 21:21.43 | PerfDave | gothtec: I always do, don't seem to have any problems. |
| 21:21.50 | abrotman | iq: that refcard should help you with basic debian commands |
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| 21:22.00 | gothtec | PerfDave: okay |
| 21:22.04 | pixil9 | same here. i always say yes to defoma |
| 21:22.08 | PerfDave | patrickfwork: ext3 is like ext2, only better and less prone to problems. |
| 21:22.30 | iq | abrotman, I'll check this out. Thanks again :) |
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| 21:22.49 | k-dog | Can someone point me to a Knoppix torrent at http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/ |
| 21:22.55 | k-dog | I'm getting filtered from that site. (school network) |
| 21:22.56 | patrickfwork | ok, thanks |
| 21:23.01 | PerfDave | k-dog: #knoppix |
| 21:23.20 | k-dog | PerfDave: Um. Like. Load it and name a torrent. Or bail. |
| 21:23.52 | PerfDave | k-dog: If you want help with Lnoppix, go to a fucking Knoppix channel. |
| 21:24.16 | k-dog | PerfDave: Thank you for your gracious shareing of your time and knowledge |
| 21:24.35 | abrotman | k-dog: what did you do with the nice karsten? .. I'll get mike on you :) |
| 21:24.44 | PerfDave | k-dog: Hey, I freely and graciously give my time and knowledge to people running Debian. |
| 21:24.52 | shingouz- | speaking of knoppix, i am checking out how the dratted thing actually installs on a hard drive (a spare one on a scratch monkey). it is unimaginably slow, probably because all the bling bling on it. fugly.... |
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| 21:25.06 | k-dog | PerfDave: I'm trying to grab a Knoppix torrent whilst doing same. |
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| 21:25.39 | k-dog | abrotman: The nice karsten is shoehorned in at home ATM. |
| 21:25.41 | Soeki | im getting this while running a php script Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() |
| 21:25.53 | PerfDave | k-dog: I'm sure the people in #knoppix will be happy to help you. I am freely advising you where to get the best answer to your problem :) |
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| 21:26.10 | Soeki | anyone knows if apt enables mysql on php4? |
| 21:26.11 | k-dog | PerfDave: The kind people in #knoppix are awfully silent on the matter. |
| 21:26.12 | Noda | im inhello everyone |
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| 21:26.38 | tiekam | hallo zusammen |
| 21:26.39 | yosii | it doesn't seem to register nis passwords nor nfs lockd with portmap |
| 21:26.52 | shingouz- | k-dog just grab an iso off a mirror and screw the bandwidth |
| 21:26.53 | Noda | would anyone here be willing to help me setup a network on my debian laptop to share a net connection through a windows pc using a crossover cable ? |
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| 21:26.55 | pixil9 | PerfDave, Hey can you help me with mandrake?? |
| 21:27.10 | PerfDave | pixil9: I can put you out of your misery if you like ;) |
| 21:27.12 | shingoki | Should I have lots of ppd filesfor Epson printers? I seem to have only some weird dot matrix ones, is there some package I can install? |
| 21:27.15 | pixil9 | lol. |
| 21:27.15 | shingouz- | pixil9 you sure you on the correct channel now? |
| 21:27.26 | pixil9 | I'm joking |
| 21:27.35 | pixil9 | but I do need a graphical snmp monitor.. anyone know of a nice one? |
| 21:27.35 | k-dog | shingouz-: That's plan C. |
| 21:27.38 | shingouz- | shingoki cupsys? |
| 21:27.41 | shingoki | Noda, will your windows or your debian PC be connected to the internet? |
| 21:27.47 | Noda | window pc |
| 21:27.50 | Noda | im using it now |
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| 21:27.51 | Soeki | how can i enable mysql support for php4 |
| 21:27.51 | iq | What is the web-root on debian? /var/www/apache2-default ? |
| 21:27.53 | shingoki | shingouz, yup, got that |
| 21:28.04 | k-dog | iq: /var/www IIRC. |
| 21:28.06 | pixil9 | iq: /var/www |
| 21:28.10 | shingoki | Noda, in that case you have no configuration to do, except turn on ICS on windows |
| 21:28.14 | PerfDave | Noda: Set up Internet Connection Sharing on the Windows PC, tell the Linux PC to use DHCP, it should All Just Work. |
| 21:28.19 | Noda | ics ? whats that |
| 21:28.20 | Terr1 | Im trying to get an Intel ICH6R onboard SATA raid controller to work with debian testing and kernel 2.4.28, Do anyone know if you need to use the iswraid module to be able to use it as a normal SATA controller (without raid) or if this module only is needed if your going to use it as a raid controller? |
| 21:28.22 | cureless | iq: you can check in the apache config file. |
| 21:28.28 | yosii | back to slack, i guess |
| 21:28.30 | shingoki | Noda, Internet Connection Sharing, sorry |
| 21:28.37 | Noda | brb ill try now |
| 21:28.39 | shingouz- | shingoki and you cannot find anything useable for it? i think gimpprint or foomatic may have some nice drivers for the epsons |
| 21:29.06 | shingoki | shingouz, well the weird thing is that Gimp gives me a huge list of printers, including C82, which is what I have |
| 21:29.12 | PerfDave | Noda: You may want to have the Windows box behind the Debian box, it will act as a firewall. |
| 21:29.19 | iq | cureless, httpd.conf? |
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| 21:29.24 | Noda | im not a very advanced use |
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| 21:29.28 | davFr | hi! I would like to build up an video alarm. I know the application called "motion" for motion detection, (based on v4l) and i have a DV cam (ieee1394). Is a possible bridge between v4l and ieee1394? thanks |
| 21:29.28 | shingouz- | shingoki apt-cache search gimpprint ;) |
| 21:29.30 | shingoki | shingouz, but I can't see how to set up a network connection, so I'm using a howto, which says I need a .ppd file for the printer |
| 21:29.36 | Noda | im just trying to use a debian laptop on a windows connection |
| 21:29.40 | shingoki | I'll stick gimpprint on then :) |
| 21:29.45 | aardvark | wtf is a "windows connection" |
| 21:29.53 | Xerex | guys, my kdm and gdm both are crashing right after I login, I have the error ready from ~/.xsessionerrors ready if someone can help :) |
| 21:29.58 | cureless | iq: yes, /etc/apache/httpd.conf, but you already got your answer |
| 21:29.59 | DaFresh | hi all, i have a big list off package in a file, how can i install them easyli ? |
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| 21:30.05 | Soeki | how can i enable mysql support for php4? im getting this Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() |
| 21:30.05 | pixil9 | Is there a real player codec in packages? |
| 21:30.06 | shingouz- | shingoki so the printer is not a local then.. auugh.. i have no idea on how to set *those* up as of yet |
| 21:30.15 | iq | cureless, just wanted to make sure. thanks |
| 21:30.23 | shingoki | Noda, you shouldnt need to change anything, debian should use DHCP by default I think, so it should "jsut work". You might need to reboot laptop after setting up Internet ConnectionSharing on windows |
| 21:30.23 | chealer | !tell pixil9 about real player |
| 21:30.24 | DaFresh | apt-get install `cat pkg.list` doesnt work ... |
| 21:30.28 | kbrooks | newbie coming at you! |
| 21:30.29 | iq | k-dog, pixil9; thanks |
| 21:30.30 | shingoki | Noda, Remember to enable any firewalls you have |
| 21:30.38 | Noda | i am totaly lost can i pm som1 cuz i keep missing stuff and im such a newbie |
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| 21:30.51 | Noda | i will |
| 21:31.05 | kbrooks | DaFresh, while read pkg; do apt-get install $pkg done < pkg.list |
| 21:31.18 | shingoki | Noda, the stuff you need is in windows, so maybe ask in a windows channel as well? I can't remember exactly where it is, wherever you put in your ISP user name password etc. I think |
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| 21:32.03 | DaFresh | kbrooks: yeah but this will run apt-get a lot of time ... i would like to use this command only one time to gain time ;) |
| 21:32.05 | Noda | internet connection sharing is on |
| 21:32.08 | Noda | i know that |
| 21:32.12 | Noda | netrwork cable is in |
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| 21:32.22 | Noda | but i see nothing in linux |
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| 21:32.48 | PerfDave | Noda: "see nothing"? |
| 21:32.52 | DaFresh | Noda: try mii-tools :) |
| 21:33.02 | DaFresh | Noda: mii-tool sry |
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| 21:33.07 | simone_ | I have a problem with my tv card SAA7130, is there anyone who can help me? |
| 21:33.10 | shingoki | Noda, Lights are on, on the cable? |
| 21:33.21 | cusco | please I need help with fsck: http://rafb.net/paste/results/AtEmrj82.html |
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| 21:33.32 | pixil9 | Where does apt-get download files to? |
| 21:33.33 | shingouz- | simone_ just ask your question, maybe someone has an answqer |
| 21:33.33 | gpm | hey, is there a way to see all the ip addresses on my router network (192.168.1.*)? |
| 21:33.50 | PerfDave | Noda: If you have ICS set up properly, then you should be able to configure the Linux box to use DHCP in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:33.55 | PerfDave | gpm: nmap -sP |
| 21:34.24 | gpm | PerfDave: thanks |
| 21:34.29 | EvilSporkMan | i am getting all pluses in the progress bar when ripping original CDs with cdparanoia; this happens with multiple CDs. I have tried swapping IDE cables and IDE channels, and still no luck. What could be the problem here? |
| 21:34.40 | Noda | does window use DHCP ? |
| 21:34.44 | pixil9 | Noda, yes. |
| 21:34.50 | simone_ | I loaded the saa7134 module and xawtv started working, but scantv doesn't see channels; xawtv -hwscan tell "permission denied" |
| 21:34.59 | Noda | yeah link light is on ethernet |
| 21:35.04 | PerfDave | Noda: You want to read the documentation for Windows Internet Connection Sharing. |
| 21:35.18 | rking | pixil9: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 21:36.18 | shingoki | ah I think I found all my ppd files, they are gzipped, so I didn't find them before ;) |
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| 21:36.35 | shingoki | Noda, ok, as root, run ifconfig and see if you have an |
| 21:36.38 | shingoki | address |
| 21:36.39 | shingouz- | simone_ unless you do that as root you need to check out the permissions you have for the device, maybe you need to add yourself to the group video or whatever it is on that |
| 21:36.55 | olecr | how do i specify that the package "libapache-mod-jk" is to depend on apache2 that I downloaded from backports and not install apache && apache-common when i install it? |
| 21:37.09 | simone_ | you mean chmod 777 user video? |
| 21:37.16 | simone_ | (sorry, i'm a newbie) |
| 21:37.23 | olecr | i have specified to download libapache-mod-jk from backports.org aswell... |
| 21:37.42 | shingouz- | simone_ no 777 for them! you just have to add yourself to the group that owns the device. never make 777 for anything |
| 21:37.51 | gothtec | I get these errors when X loads http://www.panikk.org/~gothtec/errors.txt They don't seem to matter, but I would like to remove them anyway. Can anyone help me out? |
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| 21:38.17 | shingouz- | simone_ man groups and chmod |
| 21:38.50 | simone_ | ok, thankyou, i take a look to the cookbook too |
| 21:39.05 | shingouz- | simone_ :) |
| 21:40.42 | elsn | Hi, what line shall i use to limit bandwidth for 192.168.0.11 (on my gateway =)) |
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| 21:41.04 | Xerex | guys, my kdm and gdm both are crashing right after I login, I have the error ready from ~/.xsessionerrors ready if someone can help :) |
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| 21:42.24 | shingouz- | Xerex you run both there at the same time? i am guessing that could be a reason. remove either of them, you do not need more than one manager at any given time |
| 21:42.41 | Xerex | of course not both |
| 21:42.44 | simone_ | shingouz, i'm already on video group |
| 21:42.55 | Xerex | actually I dont think u can run both |
| 21:43.30 | shingouz- | simone_ and youu logged out and back in before you tried the application again? or you could try it as root for the first time you know |
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| 21:44.00 | simone_ | the problem is in every type of kde session |
| 21:44.11 | simone_ | and i rebooted anyway |
| 21:44.52 | shingouz- | simone_ uhh... open up a terminal, go root there and try xawtv (or whatever the command was you wanted) |
| 21:44.55 | Noda | shingoki can u check my pm ? plz ? r u bussy ? |
| 21:45.48 | simone_ | shingouz- it says connection to "0.0" refused by the server |
| 21:46.01 | shingouz- | hmmm... |
| 21:46.15 | shingoki | Noda, yup checking, was trying to sort out my problem :) |
| 21:46.41 | Noda | ok thanks |
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| 21:47.19 | shingouz- | i slightly hate kn*ppix. the scratch monkey went totally itchy |
| 21:47.27 | sparr_w | help? cron is emailing me every hour regarding my cron.hourly, which is empty. subject is "Cron <root@shaggy> root run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly", body says: "/bin/sh: root: command not found" |
| 21:47.47 | simonrvn | you sure it's empty? |
| 21:48.01 | simonrvn | should only have .placeholder if it is |
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| 21:48.41 | sparr_w | simonrvn: correct |
| 21:48.53 | Madkiss | saw. Reading that banlist is ... hard. |
| 21:49.04 | simonrvn | is the file empty? |
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| 21:50.33 | shingouz- | simone_ i think i am a bit out of my depth at this time. if the program does nto want to run as root there has to be a misconfiguration somewehre |
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| 21:52.12 | PerfDave | Fiiieldeeeeee |
| 21:52.28 | sparr_w | simonrvn: no. it has two #-commented lines created automagically by dpkg |
| 21:52.41 | sparr_w | well, created by the package maintainer, to keep dpkg from deleting the directory |
| 21:52.47 | resiak | We've got a ttnet.net.tr on ##debian... Is the ban really necessary? |
| 21:52.56 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 21:56.25 | sparr_w | any other idea simonrvn |
| 21:56.44 | simonrvn | shouldn't be puking. no clue, sorry |
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| 21:58.10 | KnottyMaggi | hi. I just installed debian and I am having trouble getting gdm to work |
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| 21:58.21 | rking | auugh! i've tried apache's 2 and 1, mod_perl and not, and a bunch of variations of <Directory>, etal... and still i keep getting the .cgi's sent over as "application/x-perl" instead of executing |
| 21:58.24 | KnottyMaggi | it will never start up |
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| 21:58.35 | tracer | Where can I find the drivers for my SoundBlaster Live! card? |
| 21:58.49 | citral | tracer: what kernel do you have? |
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| 21:59.16 | resiak | Will I be screamed at for !ops do we really need the .ttnet.net.tr ban? ? |
| 21:59.17 | KnottyMaggi | can anyone help me with getting my gnome to start up? :) |
| 21:59.27 | Rawplayer | can anyone explain whats with the kiddiesch ssh login stuff last months? |
| 21:59.29 | resiak | KnottyMaggi: What happens. |
| 21:59.38 | KnottyMaggi | resiak: basicly nothing |
| 21:59.43 | bucky | rking, afaik debian's is compiled so you can't do that in a home dir |
| 21:59.49 | KnottyMaggi | it says: gdm starting up and then nothing |
| 21:59.56 | bucky | is that what you're doing |
| 22:00.04 | resiak | KnottyMaggi: Nothing as in it hangs? |
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| 22:00.18 | Rambo3 | when i make swap partition post instalation . does dabian use it on next startup or do i need to mount it in fstab |
| 22:00.22 | rking | bucky: nope - i have /var/www/foo that has an index.cgi in it |
| 22:00.25 | KnottyMaggi | resiak: no as in nothing at all. it just goes to text-only mode |
| 22:00.45 | bucky | rking, try putting it in /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 22:00.50 | tracer | I am using 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:00.50 | shingoki | is CUPS meant to be a nightmare to set up? |
| 22:01.08 | bucky | and navigate to http://localhost/cgi-bin/index.cgi |
| 22:01.15 | tracer | and how do you send private messages? |
| 22:01.16 | simonrvn | @ops dnb who's on *.ttnet.net.tr wants to join the channel. (+e flag) |
| 22:01.18 | mwilson | shingoki: Not particularly, although the clueless usually manage to make it so. |
| 22:01.18 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: dnb who's on *.ttnet.net.tr wants to join the channel. (+e flag) |
| 22:01.24 | shingouz- | shingoki nope. it can be though but it is a hell of a lot better than setting up something older |
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| 22:01.27 | KnottyMaggi | resiak: sometimes it also gives me the error of /etc/gdm/gdm.conf needs to be installed or something correctly |
| 22:01.34 | resiak | KnottyMaggi: ...how did you instalL Debian? |
| 22:01.44 | KnottyMaggi | from a cd |
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| 22:01.47 | KnottyMaggi | it's sarge |
| 22:01.56 | Rawplayer | !oracle |
| 22:01.56 | shingoki | mwilson, so if I get a "server-error-internal-error" every time I try to set up a printer, I am clueless? |
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| 22:02.15 | KnottyMaggi | and resiak; then got gnome with apt-get |
| 22:02.24 | resiak | KnottyMaggi: dpkg-reconfigure gdm help at all? |
| 22:02.26 | mwilson | shingoki: Not knowing what you've done to it, probably. |
| 22:02.32 | brad | i've configured cups, and it isn't printing. |
| 22:02.33 | KnottyMaggi | I'll try |
| 22:02.33 | streuner_ | resiak: yes |
| 22:02.34 | resiak | KnottyMaggi: What was the precise error? |
| 22:02.45 | KnottyMaggi | brb |
| 22:02.46 | sparr_w | simonrvn: any idea what the error message might indicate? or, more specifically, if you wanted to duplicate that error what would you do? |
| 22:02.48 | shingoki | mwilson, heh you are in a good mood as usual? ;) |
| 22:02.54 | shingoki | mwilson, all I've done is install it |
| 22:03.00 | mwilson | shingoki: <shrug> Sure you have. |
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| 22:03.15 | simonrvn | sparr_w: like i said i have no clue. my cron.hourly runs ok. |
| 22:03.20 | KnottyMaggi | resiak: x-server not found |
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| 22:03.24 | xophEr | Hi! where can I find sources for the 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel? apt-get cant find it? |
| 22:03.29 | resiak | KnottyMaggi: ...apt-get install x-window-system |
| 22:03.30 | evad[] | KnottyMaggi: install an x-server? |
| 22:03.38 | shingoki | mwilson, you big trolly troll ;) |
| 22:03.42 | citral | !tell tracer about /msg |
| 22:03.43 | resiak | xophEr: apt-gget install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 22:03.52 | resiak | streuner_: Oh, as in tell them exactly who wants to join? |
| 22:04.09 | citral | tracer: don't private message people here before asking |
| 22:04.13 | simonrvn | sparr_w: see the BTS, maybe there's something there |
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| 22:04.26 | streuner_ | resiak: Did you forget how many on-join spambot we had in the past? |
| 22:04.26 | tracer | no, i just wanted to pm you my kernel version |
| 22:04.27 | KnottyMaggi | what is the name of the x-windows package? |
| 22:04.32 | mwilson | shingoki: You might want to actually bother learning the meaning of that word sometime. |
| 22:04.33 | resiak | streuner_: Very good point. |
| 22:04.36 | resiak | !faq KnottyMaggi |
| 22:04.37 | dpkg | KnottyMaggi: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:04.39 | resiak | KnottyMaggi: And I just TOLD you. |
| 22:04.46 | citral | tracer: what are you doing with a 2.6.2 kernel? |
| 22:04.51 | KnottyMaggi | found no such package |
| 22:04.52 | shingoki | mwilson, you are trying to irritate me by being patronising, etc. It's close enough |
| 22:04.53 | resiak | streuner_: Is it easy(ish) to add an exception, do you know? |
| 22:04.54 | simonrvn | ffs, if you're wanting to /sg someone your kernel version, you have more to worry about than that... |
| 22:04.56 | tracer | citral: what do you mean? |
| 22:04.57 | shingoki | mwilson, I don't really mind :) |
| 22:04.59 | mwilson | shingoki: Some people are into beating details out of the clueless... I am not. You can provide them, or not. |
| 22:05.01 | simonrvn | /msg* |
| 22:05.02 | brad | sorry, but i've configured cups, and i can't get it to print. |
| 22:05.05 | kbrooks | "patronising"? |
| 22:05.18 | jcb | i get this error in my kernel log: ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }... but how can i see what device file 'ata2' is? |
| 22:05.23 | shingoki | mwilson, well, when CUPS tells me it has a server internal error, thats all I have to go on |
| 22:05.25 | foxbat3 | can i ask about knoppix here cos noone in knoppix channel |
| 22:05.26 | tracer | citral: oops, its a 2.6.8 |
| 22:05.29 | kbrooks | shingoki, what does "patronising" mean, if i may ask |
| 22:05.33 | citral | tracer: ahhhh better |
| 22:05.35 | kbrooks | foxbat3, no |
| 22:05.36 | tracer | citral: oops, its a -2-386 |
| 22:05.43 | shingouz- | foxbat3 no, this is not knoppix |
| 22:05.44 | foxbat3 | tok thank you |
| 22:05.52 | KnottyMaggi | resiak: x-windows-system? |
| 22:05.55 | citral | tracer: you are running sarge? |
| 22:05.59 | tracer | citral: yes |
| 22:05.59 | resiak | KnottyMaggi: 23:03 < resiak> KnottyMaggi: ...apt-get install x-window-system |
| 22:06.02 | kbrooks | foxbat3, knoppix is based on debian, but knoppix isnt debian |
| 22:06.02 | shingoki | well, it means using a phrase such as "sure you have" while shrugging, to indicate a complete lack of respect for what I say ;) |
| 22:06.06 | mwilson | Can't be bothered to describe what packages you've installed, can't be bothered to describe how you're adding a printer, can't be bothered to describe what printer it is... what would you call it? |
| 22:06.07 | tracer | citral: updated to unstable |
| 22:06.07 | citral | tracer: what is you cpu? |
| 22:06.24 | tracer | citral: i belive this system is an 80x86 intel |
| 22:06.30 | shingoki | mwilson, I've been in here for a while, I've already been through the packages, but I can repeat |
| 22:06.31 | kbrooks | mwilson, being lame? |
| 22:06.34 | KnottyMaggi | ahh ok. thanks. I typed x-windows |
| 22:06.34 | tracer | citral: 32 bit |
| 22:06.36 | KnottyMaggi | my bad |
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| 22:06.45 | RichiH | !tell dnb about set up x |
| 22:06.47 | citral | tracer: you don't know heh, try "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
| 22:06.52 | sparr_w | here is the line cron is complaining about, i think: 17 * * * * root run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly |
| 22:06.54 | kbrooks | er |
| 22:06.58 | stouset | Woot. |
| 22:07.00 | tracer | citral: hehe, im new to linux :P |
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| 22:07.07 | evad[] | except, don't paste that into the channel tracer ;) |
| 22:07.09 | citral | tracer: don't past ethe result here, just say the cpu |
| 22:07.21 | kimo | guys, any movie freaks here? :) I really really need someone to identify a very known sentence from a movie which goes like this "I dont wish you freedom, you pulled my heart, you pulled my heart" or similar. Can u identify which movie is that. Sorry for being way off topic :) |
| 22:07.32 | resiak | KnottyMaggi: Google? |
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| 22:07.40 | bismark | . |
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| 22:07.41 | stouset | I just hacked together a script which tells you if there are packages which are the first in a list of dependencies which are not installed. |
| 22:07.41 | sparr_w | thats from /etc/crontab and /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root |
| 22:07.43 | shingoki | mwilson, I have these, plus all I can find connected with gimp print: cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client foomatic-bin samba smbclient gs-esp a2ps |
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| 22:07.50 | tracer | citral: pentium 4 1400MGz |
| 22:07.57 | KnottyMaggi | resiak: since I have nothing other than text only I wouldn't bother |
| 22:07.59 | KnottyMaggi | :/ |
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| 22:08.03 | stouset | i.e., if you have GNOME and magicdev installed, it will tell you that gnome-volume-manager is preferred, but not installed |
| 22:08.07 | resiak | KnottyMaggi: Sorry, not aimed at you. |
| 22:08.09 | tracer | citral: err MHz |
| 22:08.15 | shingoki | mwilson, I am trying to connect to an epson stylus c82 via samba, I know the printer is fine since I can get it from mac and windows pcs |
| 22:08.18 | stouset | COLUMNS=200 dpkg --list | egrep "^ii" | tr -s " " | cut -d\ -f2 | tr "\n" " " | xargs apt-cache show | egrep "^Depends:" | cut -d\ -f2- | tr "," "\n" | less | sed -e "s/^ *//g" | grep ".*|.*" | sed -e 's/ (.*)//g' | cut -d\| -f1 | sort | uniq | COLUMNS=200 xargs dpkg -l | tr -s " " | egrep "^[a-zA-Z]{2} [a-zA-Z0-9]" | egrep -v "^ii" | cut -d\ -f2 |
| 22:08.18 | KnottyMaggi | :) |
| 22:08.21 | stouset | God that is disgusting. |
| 22:08.21 | mwilson | shingoki: But not enough of foomatic to be able to actually use it, huh? |
| 22:08.28 | shingoki | I can connect via samba to files on the pc |
| 22:08.31 | resiak | kimo: Google. |
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| 22:08.44 | kimo | resiak, been there! I think I am mishearing it |
| 22:08.52 | kimo | resiak, need human intelligence |
| 22:08.57 | shingoki | what, foomatic-gui? |
| 22:08.57 | resiak | kimo: *shrug* Does IMDB have an IRC channel? |
| 22:09.10 | kimo | yeah does it |
| 22:09.11 | citral | tracer: so you want the last kernel version (I believe 2.6.10 in unstable) that ends up with -686 |
| 22:09.23 | kbrooks | oh. |
| 22:09.42 | citral | tracer: note that you should have stayed with sarge, if you're new to linux. |
| 22:09.43 | stouset | kbrooks: cut is hella useful |
| 22:09.44 | shingoki | mwilson, I'll give it a go, I've tried everything else. I was going via the guide on linuxprinting.org, as recommended in one of those packages |
| 22:09.51 | kbrooks | delimiter and field. end of story |
| 22:09.59 | stouset | kbrooks: if you like cut, you'll tear your hair out until you discover "tr -s" |
| 22:10.21 | tracer | citral: meh, i can reinstall if i need to, but, no, i need drivers for my audio card, the "soundblaster live!" |
| 22:10.30 | mwilson | shingoki: Oh, things like the database, the engine, etc, etc. |
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| 22:10.33 | shingoki | mwilson, is it foomatic-gui you are referring to? I can't see any other foomatic stuff |
| 22:10.42 | shingoki | mwilson, well if I need them, are they not in the package? |
| 22:11.00 | shingoki | mwilson, oh I see your tiny point |
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| 22:11.19 | shingoki | mwilson, they are installed with the foomatic package I mentioned, I didn't force foomatic without dependencies ;P |
| 22:11.21 | citral | tracer: I know, now that you're there just stay with unstable, but for the love of god install the right kernel for your cpu, and I will help you with your soundblaster |
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| 22:11.24 | resiak | evad[]: Not going to happen,. |
| 22:11.27 | stouset | kbrooks: cut lets you take bits and pieces of out of a line by delimiters. "tr -s" lets you ensure that there's only one delimiter in a row. So things with multiple spaces (to produce columns) can be accurately cut'd. |
| 22:11.36 | mwilson | shingoki: I'd hope not... that'd make it pretty much unmanageable. No, they're separate packages, as they should be. You don't mention them, but since foomatic-bin depends on them... |
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| 22:11.48 | citral | tracer: you really want kernel-image-2.6.10-686 |
| 22:11.51 | shingoki | mwilson, yup they are installed |
| 22:11.53 | kbrooks | stouset, oh, i see |
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| 22:12.04 | tracer | citral: ok, ill get it |
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| 22:12.16 | gothtec | What can I do about these warning messages when starting X? http://www.panikk.org/~gothtec/errors.txt |
| 22:12.18 | stouset | kbrooks: check it out. Those nasty spaces for formatting suddenly don't become a problem :-) |
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| 22:12.41 | stouset | gothtec: Are they harmless? |
| 22:12.45 | tracer | citral: this is just the kernel that the net install came with, figured it would be the right one, guess i was wrong |
| 22:12.47 | gothtec | stouset: yes |
| 22:12.57 | gothtec | stouset: well... apparently |
| 22:13.03 | evad[] | gothtec: you ignore them ;) |
| 22:13.05 | stouset | gothtec: Best I can say is it's probably not worth hunting down, then. |
| 22:13.15 | mwilson | shingoki: And how are you adding a printer? |
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| 22:13.43 | stouset | gothtec: It's entirely possible that they're just an artifact of how X handles loading something, and don't actually represent a problem. |
| 22:13.54 | gothtec | stouset: i see |
| 22:13.59 | citral | tracer: it's a generic kernel, supposed to work for every machine since =~ 1987... |
| 22:14.05 | shingoki | mwilson, well I tried CUPS first, via web admin thing, since that was the first option on linuxprinting.org, but I get that internal server error |
| 22:14.18 | shingoki | mwilson, I'm just trying foomatic-gui now, since I stumbled across it :) |
| 22:14.19 | omeganine | What was the bots nick again? I wanted to know what the one liner for nvidia drivers was. |
| 22:14.20 | stouset | gothtec: I can't be sure, but I know that X puts out a lot of warnings that are harmless, or are just things that the devs would be interested in. |
| 22:14.23 | tracer | citral: aaah, thanks again |
| 22:14.27 | resiak | !tell omeganine -about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:14.29 | shingoki | omeganine, dpkg |
| 22:14.32 | citral | tracer: so it's really no good for a PIV, it's just made to install |
| 22:14.39 | gothtec | stouset: okay. i'll leave them alone for now :) |
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| 22:14.44 | nullctl | hello |
| 22:14.47 | streuner_ | omeganine: what distro do you use? |
| 22:15.00 | citral | !install kernel |
| 22:15.00 | dpkg | real kernel is, like, The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
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| 22:15.04 | mwilson | shingoki: There's a reason you don't do it through CUPS, of course? |
| 22:15.13 | omeganine | Debian |
| 22:15.14 | tracer | citral: PIV? |
| 22:15.22 | shingoki | mwilson, thats what I was saying, I tried cups, and it gave me an error |
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| 22:15.27 | omeganine | Been having issues with X so i downloaded the newest version. |
| 22:15.30 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 22:15.33 | citral | tracer: pentium 4 |
| 22:15.38 | gothtec | </sigh> |
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| 22:15.41 | shingoki | mwilson, you mean CUPS without web interface? |
| 22:15.44 | mwilson | I really thought we'd got past you not wanting to proivide details. |
| 22:15.45 | omeganine | forgot how to modbrope so i dont have to reboot :-P |
| 22:15.46 | nullctl | I'm quite confused... I thought 'testing' didn't have security updates, but on a freshly installed testing system, I see a security.debian.org entry in my sources.list? |
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| 22:15.56 | resiak | nullctl: It's for when it _does_. |
| 22:16.06 | streuner_ | omeganine: what distro do you use? |
| 22:16.09 | tracer | citral: its ok to just apt-get install the kernel right? |
| 22:16.11 | nullctl | resiak: ok :) |
| 22:16.16 | mwilson | How do people like this problem-solve in real life? |
| 22:16.17 | citral | tracer: yep |
| 22:16.23 | tracer | citral: cool |
| 22:16.24 | omeganine | streuner_ Dabian Sarge |
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| 22:16.35 | shingoki | mwilson, I just provided them... I used the CUPS web interface, localhost, port 631 |
| 22:16.50 | mwilson | shingoki: And got how far? |
| 22:16.58 | shingoki | up to the end, then the internal server error |
| 22:16.59 | citral | tracer: "apt-cace search kernel-image-2.6 686" and install the last one |
| 22:17.08 | mwilson | "up to the end" is a nonsense statement. |
| 22:17.12 | citral | I mean, the 2.6.10 one |
| 22:17.15 | shingoki | at the stage I would expect it to say "success", although I've obviously never seen it :) |
| 22:17.20 | nullctl | so would you people say it is *dangerous* to run 'testing' ? |
| 22:17.28 | citral | nullctl: no. |
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| 22:17.38 | Ireul | hi |
| 22:17.43 | shingoki | I assume it is the last stage, since I have provided all information I think should be necessary, but since it fails there, I can't really say if there is another stage |
| 22:17.54 | citral | nullctl: stable has more security fixes, but may not run on recent hardware. |
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| 22:17.59 | Ireul | please does anyone know how to copy a dvd using k3b or xcdroast??? |
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| 22:18.04 | omeganine | well im going to start X wish me luck :oP BRB |
| 22:18.06 | mwilson | And of course you'd still see no reason to actually detail the steps you followed. |
| 22:18.08 | gothtec | How can I have tty1 automatically execute a program when it boots, witout having to log in? Thinking of launching "top" on a server. I've done this about a year ago, so I know it's possible... Just don't remember how I did it :( |
| 22:18.29 | mwilson | Ireul: Does anyone see any reason you'd need to copy a DVD with either one of those? |
| 22:18.32 | tracer | citral: I'm installing kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686, that sould be it correct? |
| 22:18.41 | citral | tracer: yep |
| 22:18.42 | PerfDave | gothtec: Gosh, there's a thread about this on OxLUG at the moment ;) |
| 22:18.51 | tracer | citral: ill be right back, going to reboot |
| 22:18.56 | shingoki | mwilson, well, if you have used the cups web interface, you know what they are, otherwise, there isnt a lot of point. Typing in a name, then selecting manufacturer, model, and location (samba) |
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| 22:19.17 | shingoki | mwilson, hang on, let me see if foomatic has worked, so I don't incur any more dry, um, wit |
| 22:19.18 | Ireul | mwilson: so whatever I have to use? |
| 22:19.38 | chealer | nullctl: yeah, running testing can be dangerous |
| 22:19.39 | mwilson | Ireul: Don't your pirate friends have something you can use? |
| 22:19.42 | gothtec | PerfDave: it's also for my laptop, which I want to automatically log on as me and run "startx" so I don't have to log in. There's no point in having a password on login on that laptop |
| 22:19.45 | anabain | any scsi expert here? |
| 22:19.51 | Ireul | mwilson: no |
| 22:20.10 | Ireul | mwilson: I've to copy home made wideos and data dvds |
| 22:20.11 | mwilson | Ireul: Guess you're out of luck, then. You'll have to actually buy the disc. |
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| 22:20.21 | anabain | I need some advice with sane, scsi and snapscan |
| 22:20.24 | omeganine | YAY i got errors! I love it! |
| 22:20.36 | omeganine | Dose debian have some kind of mouse conf script? |
| 22:20.44 | citral | mwilson: since when is making a safe copy of a dvd piracy? |
| 22:20.46 | chealer | where should I ask about stock kernels? debian-user? |
| 22:20.55 | shingoki | mwilson, copying dvd's isn't illegal, at least in France, at least according to a recent court result ;) |
| 22:21.06 | streuner_ | omeganine: what kernel, what kind of mouse do you use? |
| 22:21.07 | mwilson | citral: Since he made it plain he was a pirate. |
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| 22:21.37 | Ireul | mwilson: I own dvd copy, don't worry |
| 22:21.41 | omeganine | I have my MS mouse in my PS/2 port (Can go USB if that will be easier) and im using 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 22:21.52 | tracer | citral: Done |
| 22:22.09 | citral | tracer: so next step, dpkg -l | grep hotplug |
| 22:22.24 | streuner_ | omeganine: /dev/psaux |
| 22:22.30 | gothtec | Does anyone actually make copies of cd's to avoid wearing them out? I think that's the most used piracy-excuse ever |
| 22:22.37 | shingoki | Yes I do |
| 22:22.44 | tracer | citral: Output > ii hotplug 0.0.20040329-2 Linux Hotplug Scripts |
| 22:22.46 | citral | I do too |
| 22:22.48 | shingoki | Since I managed to scratch the crap out of a load, in a bad CD holder |
| 22:22.54 | shingoki | and rebought 10 cds |
| 22:22.57 | Guerin | gothtec: I ripped all mine to mp3 so I wouldn't have to carry them all aound the world |
| 22:22.59 | citral | tracer: so the module for your card should be loaded |
| 22:23.09 | shingoki | the first thing I did was make copies and put the originals in a box in the attic |
| 22:23.18 | PerfDave | gothtec: Yep |
| 22:23.18 | gothtec | Guerin: now that, I do. but I don't make copies to use instead of the original |
| 22:23.19 | shingoki | cos I'm damned if I'll buy CDs 3 times |
| 22:23.22 | mwilson | I've been buying DVD's for years... so far I've destroyed ONE> |
| 22:23.26 | resiak | gothtec: gdm can auto-login |
| 22:23.30 | citral | tracer: did you try to play something with xmms? |
| 22:23.35 | Paganist | anyone knows a way to know which driver belongs to eth0 and which one to eth1 ? i loaded a driver but i can't ifup eth1... the module was loaded using modprobe so theoricaly the module is the good one.... |
| 22:23.37 | omeganine | streuner_ Cool, I will try X again. Hopfully i will see you in a GUI next. |
| 22:23.45 | mwilson | The idea that it's supposedly a "backup" is a joke. |
| 22:23.53 | tracer | citral: i will, but volume control says no mixer devices found fyi |
| 22:23.57 | mwilson | As there's no way to get out what went in. |
| 22:24.12 | PerfDave | Paganist: Does it show up in "ifconfig -a"? If not, you don't have the right driver loaded. |
| 22:24.21 | citral | I've been buying audio cds for year, I lied so much, and it never came back, that I have know about 30% of my collection. |
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| 22:24.22 | cthulfuego | gothtec: You will, once the first 40 get stolen from your car... |
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| 22:24.27 | PerfDave | Paganist: You can use ifrename to allocate names to interfaces based on MAC address etc. if you want. |
| 22:24.27 | shingoki | mwilson, you can backup a DVD easily enough |
| 22:24.34 | gothtec | cthulfueg: mp3 player in car :P |
| 22:24.46 | cthulfuego | gothtec: Pff. |
| 22:25.20 | PerfDave | I used to DJ, taking CDs into a hostile environment like a club is a good reason to back them up. |
| 22:25.27 | citral | tracer: can you install mpg321, and run "mpg321 -v -o alsa foo.mp3" ? |
| 22:25.31 | mwilson | shingoki: If you have somewhere to put it. |
| 22:25.50 | cthulfuego | The policeman who dusted the cart for prints said it was a very good idea to make copies and leave the COPIES in the car. |
| 22:25.51 | tracer | citral: xmms wont play, just to say, ill try mpg |
| 22:25.52 | cureless | laptop question: I have a sarge box, just installed. Now it seems to get stuck after starting inetd. I can boot in single user mode but it still gets stuck if I continue the boot process. The last thing we did to it was install the ipw2200 drivers, which we have now removed. ACPI off doesn't help. The problem is there with 2.6.11 and 2.6.8.1 deb kernels. Any ideas? |
| 22:25.53 | mwilson | shingoki: Thank you, I have better things to do with 8 gb per disc. |
| 22:25.56 | shingoki | mwilson, yup. Can get big enough writable discs now, but I agree its a bit pointless |
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| 22:26.01 | Paganist | PerfDave:I just would know if the driver that loaded reconised my card |
| 22:26.19 | Paganist | so still ifconfig -a ? because ifup failed so... |
| 22:26.19 | PerfDave | Paganist: I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. |
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| 22:26.28 | Paganist | hum |
| 22:26.35 | Guerin | cureless: there is no 2.6.8.1 debian kernel |
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| 22:26.43 | aarm | ne one seen this before after install of base fsck.ext3: No Such device or address while trying to open /dev/sda1 |
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| 22:26.51 | Paganist | i load a driver, it must set the card at ethx i would know which x |
| 22:26.52 | cureless | cureless: what ever, 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 22:27.05 | Guerin | ah,ok |
| 22:27.08 | cureless | Guerin: that was for you :-) |
| 22:27.09 | shingoki | mwilson, one perfectly reasonable use is to convert DVDs for use on portable players, etc. |
| 22:27.12 | mwilson | aarm: Do you HAVE a sda? |
| 22:27.15 | cureless | 2.4 seems to boot ok. |
| 22:27.18 | PerfDave | gothtec: /etc/inittab may hold the key to running top on tty1 |
| 22:27.20 | shingoki | mwilson, just like mp3's I suppose |
| 22:27.25 | tracer | citral: says unknown argument "alsa" to option alsa |
| 22:27.28 | citral | you're not guilty, until you've been proved to be. it's not "you're supposed to be guilty" so. let's help him to make private copies of his dvds if he wants. |
| 22:27.29 | aarm | mwilson I do have a scsi drive is that what you mean? |
| 22:27.37 | gothtec | PerfDave: I think he wants to know if the driver he just installed is able to use his hardware |
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| 22:27.51 | mwilson | shingoki: "Convert"? I've yet to meet a portable DVD player that doesn't just play the disc. |
| 22:27.51 | gothtec | PerfDave: i'll take a look, thanks |
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| 22:28.06 | mwilson | aarm: I imagine I mean what I said. |
| 22:28.06 | shingoki | mwilson, like a PSP? or a palm? |
| 22:28.19 | PerfDave | Paganist: "ifconfig -a" will show you all the interfaces that your kernel can recognise. dmesg or /var/log/messages should tell you what interfaces are recognised when a driver is loaded. |
| 22:28.25 | citral | tracer: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 22:28.27 | resiak | gothtec: Did you see what I said about GDM? It might be a saner solution |
| 22:28.32 | Paganist | PerfDave: Thank you |
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| 22:28.41 | Paganist | thanks to gothtec too |
| 22:28.49 | resiak | gothtec: You can give it a user to automatically log in when it first loads just in its control panel. |
| 22:28.56 | mwilson | I don't know what a PSP is... but whyinhell would I want to play a DVD on a Palm? Even assuming I had one with sufficient memory? |
| 22:28.58 | shingoki | mwilson, or even a laptop, if you want to take a few dvd's with you somewhere, without needing the drive, there are plenty of perfectly reasonable scenarios |
| 22:29.12 | gothtec | resiak: hm.. |
| 22:29.15 | tracer | citral: done |
| 22:29.18 | Guerin | psp = ipod for g4m3r d00dz |
| 22:29.26 | resiak | gothtec: If, however, you don't use GDM anyway.. :) |
| 22:29.31 | citral | tracer: run "alsaconf" as root |
| 22:29.40 | shingoki | mwilson, playstation portable, and you might just want it to watch on a train or something, a PDA is much smaller than a normal portable dvd player, and you would probably be taking it with you anyway |
| 22:29.41 | aarm | mwilson how would I check what you want to know |
| 22:29.53 | shingoki | mwilson, memory is not a problem, 1GB of flash is pretty cheap these days |
| 22:29.53 | PerfDave | I know someone who uses MythTV to tape a soap opera, transcodes it to a size suited to his PDA's screen, and watches it on the train on the way into work. |
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| 22:30.11 | mwilson | People still use MythTV? |
| 22:30.12 | shingoki | PerfDave, yup exactly |
| 22:30.21 | Guerin | there's this fantastic method of entertainment for use on trains which requires no gadgetry, no annoying beeps and whistles, and very little money |
| 22:30.22 | shingoki | No one has ever used MythTV, hence the name |
| 22:30.23 | mwilson | I thought that'd collapsed under its own weight by now. |
| 22:30.26 | Guerin | it's called a book |
| 22:30.32 | vincent | seriously guerin |
| 22:30.33 | shingoki | everyone SAYS they have used it, but in actual fact it is impossible to run ;) |
| 22:30.42 | shingoki | its a social science experiment or something :) |
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| 22:30.45 | Guerin | works on buses and in cars too.... even aeroplanes |
| 22:30.59 | resiak | Guerin: And it doesn't need recharging after n hours! |
| 22:30.59 | Guerin | vincent: yeah, they're fantastic inventions |
| 22:31.05 | PerfDave | mwilson: Why wouldn't they? It does its job well. I'll be using it when I pick up a DVB card. |
| 22:31.17 | vincent | i like taking the subway to work because i get to read heh |
| 22:31.20 | Guerin | resiak: not only that, but you can legally lend or sell it to someone else when you're finished with it |
| 22:31.26 | resiak | Guerin: Heheh. |
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| 22:31.38 | mwilson | PerfDave: I fiddled with it a while back, then I realized how silly a PVR was. |
| 22:31.44 | shingoki | heh, books are a terrible thing |
| 22:31.53 | PerfDave | mwilson: Silly for you, maybe. |
| 22:32.01 | mwilson | PerfDave: Other than for tape delay or something, and whyinhell would I devote a computer to *that*? |
| 22:32.02 | shingoki | you can do nasty things like reselling, and they have these kinda big piracy-temples they call "libraries" |
| 22:32.08 | citral | a thinkpad a20p with pIII-M 700, 128 Ram, 20 GB, ATI 16Mb, 15" 1400x1050 and 1 year warranty for 430 Euros seems a good choice, no? |
| 22:32.12 | shingoki | and you can do crazy stuff like take excerpts and use them how you want |
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| 22:32.21 | shingoki | and its not even a Trusted Platform! |
| 22:32.35 | mwilson | citral: Needs more RAM. |
| 22:32.42 | Guerin | shingoki: you can even do a public reading from one with complete impunity! |
| 22:32.49 | shingoki | Dammit, they must be banned! |
| 22:32.51 | citral | mwilson: that can be easily extended... |
| 22:33.08 | PerfDave | Would upgrading the RAM violate the 1 year warranty? ;) |
| 22:33.18 | cthulfuego | citral: I find my P3/500 to be incredibly slow |
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| 22:33.26 | mwilson | PerfDave: Building a PVR doesn't gain me anything a $59 VCR doesn't. |
| 22:33.28 | resiak | citral: I'd bite for the screen. |
| 22:33.31 | Guerin | cthulfuego: that's because you use gnome |
| 22:33.31 | tracer | citral: thanks a bunch man, its working |
| 22:33.35 | shingoki | Upgrading ram shouldn't invalidate warranty |
| 22:33.44 | citral | tracer: you're welcome :) |
| 22:33.44 | resiak | mwilson: Quality which doesn't deteriorate? Automation? |
| 22:33.52 | citral | resiak: that's it :) |
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| 22:34.00 | shingoki | if its under a panel on the back, with no sticker, then I can't see how it would invalidate warranty |
| 22:34.07 | resiak | citral: 1024x768 is far too small. |
| 22:34.10 | mwilson | resiak: Last time I checked, a VCR was quite programmable, hence the usual joke. |
| 22:34.13 | resiak | citral: (which is what I have.) |
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| 22:34.17 | anabain | does anyone know how to configure sane to avoid hanging when initializing the scanner? I get this message: xsane: sanei_scsi.c:2174: sanei_scsi_req_wait: Assertion `req == ((fdparms *) fd_info[req->fd].pdata)->sane_qhead' failed. |
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| 22:34.19 | shingoki | mwilson, not having to run around trying to find a blank VHS tape is the main one |
| 22:34.24 | mwilson | resiak: And how does the quality deteriorate? |
| 22:34.33 | citral | cthulfuego: PIII 500MHz =~ G3 366MHz, what I have actually. but the 700 explodes it in benchmarks |
| 22:34.41 | shingoki | well, VHS tapes start out pretty damn bad quality |
| 22:34.59 | Guerin | shingoki: no, you have to go "OMBLOL, Teh Simple Live 6 iz on soon, now i hav 2 del some more pr0n omg wtf!!!1" |
| 22:35.00 | mwilson | shingoki: I never have any problem... the same tape lives in the machine for a few months, then I toss it. |
| 22:35.12 | citral | cthulfuego: dunno for the 500, but the 700 has onboard cache |
| 22:35.14 | cthulfuego | citral: Yeh, there's a working G3/350 here, but that's very crusty too. |
| 22:35.26 | shingoki | Guerin, yeah thats normally what I do |
| 22:35.32 | cthulfuego | citral: Memme i'm just spoilt |
| 22:35.40 | citral | cthulfuego: and anyway, I'm a fluxbox fan ;) |
| 22:35.52 | shingoki | citral, you might be better with something new, even the cheapest new thinkpads should be better than that, except for screen res |
| 22:36.09 | PerfDave | mwilson: That's nice for you. Just because PVR software isn't what *you* want doesn't mean it's "silly" for everyone. |
| 22:36.12 | Guerin | i think that's a fine box, once it's got more ram. |
| 22:36.17 | cthulfuego | citral: You will want a minimum of 256Mb ram, though. |
| 22:36.23 | citral | yeah |
| 22:36.27 | shingoki | PerfDave, mwilson thinks everything is silly, and or pointless :) |
| 22:36.27 | citral | already have it |
| 22:36.29 | xophEr | trying to make, /usr/include/bits/socket.h:305:24: asm/socket.h: No such file or directory, and that is what I get, it worked before, what have I done :) |
| 22:36.34 | resiak | mwilson: As you reuse VHS tapes, they get worse. Oh, and so what happens if you want to tape the same thing every night at (say) 5 and watch them all on Saturday, oh, and tape that film on Thursday at 2330? Can you set that up on Monday, and leave it and have it Just Work(TM)? I guess you don't need that. Your needs are, however, only a subset of other peoples. :-) |
| 22:36.34 | Guerin | but the a series is the big and chunky one, right? |
| 22:36.37 | PerfDave | shingoki: I'm aware of this. |
| 22:36.57 | PerfDave | shingoki: I have some strange fascination with pointing out how silly and pointless he is ;) |
| 22:36.59 | citral | Guerin: a for desktop replacement, p for pro, the best equipment |
| 22:37.03 | iq | Hi, I need to install 'php-mysql'. When I do apt-get install php-mysql, it says no package found. When I say 'apt install php4-mysql' It tries to download something but fails with 404 error. |
| 22:37.04 | shingoki | citral, make sure you dont get 512MB sodimms, if it only takes 256 |
| 22:37.10 | shingoki | citral, and get the right type too :) |
| 22:37.12 | resiak | iq: apt-get update |
| 22:37.19 | Vladi | hi, im trying to set up a different mail server for a sub domain and i have "MX 10 main.mailserver.com" nweline "lists MX 10 subdomain.mailserver.com" and for some reason it is setting the ip for lists.domain.com to 2 diff ip |
| 22:37.23 | mwilson | resiak: There's so little on television that's worth bothering with at all, I can't imagine why people put that much effort into it. |
| 22:37.33 | iq | resiak, let me try that.thanks |
| 22:37.34 | shingoki | mwilson, in US? |
| 22:37.34 | citral | Guerin: so a20p costed 3500 Euros in 2000/2001 |
| 22:37.35 | resiak | mwilson: That's opinion. |
| 22:37.37 | cthulfuego | resiak: Yes, I can just set that up on my VCR. What shitty brand do you have? :-) |
| 22:37.49 | resiak | cthulfuego: Without changing the tape? |
| 22:37.49 | PerfDave | mwilson: Hey, I'm in the UK. We have better TV than you USians. |
| 22:37.54 | Guerin | citral: the lincoln continental of laptops, then? |
| 22:38.00 | citral | heh |
| 22:38.05 | citral | kind of |
| 22:38.09 | mwilson | PerfDave: You'd better... you pay through the nose for it. Television tax, indeed. |
| 22:38.17 | citral | was the rolls of laptops at the time |
| 22:38.19 | cthulfuego | resiak: Yes, I have a seventyhundred twelvety nine hour tape. |
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| 22:38.28 | jcuk | erm, ok guys need your help if possible. Im trying to listen to .pls files on xmms on debian 3.1 (sarge) but when it pre buffers it loads then just closes.. |
| 22:38.33 | shingoki | Yeah I was just gonna say, UK TV is not that bad, especially BBC |
| 22:38.48 | cthulfuego | resiak: Just too bad there isn't anything worth taping on TV. |
| 22:38.54 | citral | imagine, ati rage mobility with 16 Mb sdram, that in 2000... |
| 22:39.09 | Guerin | jcuk: a pls file is just plain text. open it up and copy the urls out... it might have been badly formed by wimp or something |
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| 22:39.27 | resiak | cthulfuego: Heh. |
| 22:39.30 | PerfDave | mwilson: *shrug* It's worth it, if only for the BBC news service. |
| 22:39.46 | saudilinux | hey is there any program that have a GUI to adminstrate Debian?????? |
| 22:39.51 | resiak | !tell saudilinux -about ep |
| 22:39.54 | Guerin | saudilinux: no. |
| 22:39.55 | citral | !webmin |
| 22:39.56 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 22:39.57 | cthulfuego | pay per view movies are at least a dollar cheaper then a DVD here |
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| 22:40.08 | cthulfuego | and I don't have to drag my ass out of the house |
| 22:40.08 | jcuk | Guerin a .pls file is downloaded and run by xmms. its a live stream |
| 22:40.12 | evad[] | it's not a tax - the Television License pays for the BBC so we don't have to look at adverts |
| 22:40.17 | mwilson | cthulfuego: But when was the last time there was one worth watching? |
| 22:40.29 | evad[] | it's just a different way of doing it |
| 22:40.31 | resiak | jcuk: So you rip out the url, wget it, then play it as it downloads. |
| 22:40.36 | saudilinux | Guerin so how to do that ???????? |
| 22:40.40 | iq | resiak, http://pastebin.ca/10304 |
| 22:40.45 | cthulfuego | mwilson: I rememebr watching one, but I can't rememeber when or which one.. |
| 22:40.47 | citral | !annoy saudilinux |
| 22:40.48 | jcuk | k hold on |
| 22:40.56 | Guerin | jcuk: it's a plain text file with a url in it. Many of them are mangled by windows meduia player or real or someone. download it, open it, extract the url, paste the url into xmms, go. |
| 22:41.05 | shingoki | actually the licence is pretty much a tax on TV ownership |
| 22:41.06 | mwilson | I can't imagine that UK television is any less insulting than US television. |
| 22:41.17 | Guerin | saudilinux: learn to administer your machine using an editor. |
| 22:41.17 | cthulfuego | mwilson: The BBC is. |
| 22:41.18 | PerfDave | evad[]: It's a good way of doing it, since it leads to less lowest-common-denominator TV to get the best viewing figures to charge more from advertisers. |
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| 22:41.25 | shingoki | mwilson, I can't really judge, but my impression is that it is |
| 22:41.28 | PerfDave | mwilson: *shrug* Deal with it. |
| 22:41.31 | cthulfuego | mwilson: A lot of their shows have *writers* |
| 22:41.31 | citral | fuck it, someone deleted my nice !annoy |
| 22:41.39 | shingoki | mwilson, just from the american stuff we get, particularly US news channels are terrifying |
| 22:41.52 | Guerin | well, british comedy is less insulting (to the intelligence of its viewers) than US comedy... |
| 22:42.01 | shingoki | some US comedy is very good |
| 22:42.02 | cureless | shingoki: you get scared from O'Reilly too? |
| 22:42.06 | resiak | iq: What's bluelava? |
| 22:42.07 | shingoki | cureless, yup |
| 22:42.11 | PerfDave | There's probably about as much good American TV as there is good British TV. But there's a *lot* more shit coming out of the US ;) |
| 22:42.14 | mwilson | shingoki: I don't watch US news. It's too tiring filtering out the bias. |
| 22:42.15 | evad[] | PerfDave: heh, I know, I'm in the UK too ;) |
| 22:42.20 | shingoki | cureless, and fox news is like news from another planet... a happy, uncritical planet |
| 22:42.25 | evad[] | I'll be in the US from july, though, so byebye BBC o/ |
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| 22:42.35 | cthulfuego | shingoki: it often doesn't appeal to non-us tastes. I'd rather go and see a stand-up comedian. |
| 22:42.39 | mwilson | shingoki: At least the BBC's bias is consistent. |
| 22:42.39 | cureless | I get my news from IRC |
| 22:42.40 | iq | resiak, dont know |
| 22:42.41 | ia3264 | why watch tv at all |
| 22:42.48 | resiak | iq: How did you install Debian? |
| 22:42.57 | citral | some people must be really fucking with the bot |
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| 22:43.03 | shingoki | mwilson, nah they have shifted. They were anti government, till the government pointed out that it could witdraw the money ;) |
| 22:43.03 | Guerin | well, korean news comes with action-movie-like background music, and breathy, almost-shouted newscasters |
| 22:43.05 | cthulfuego | shingoki: A planet full of deaf people, where EVERYONE SHOUTS EXCITEDLY! |
| 22:43.09 | Guerin | almost-shouting |
| 22:43.11 | jcuk | Guerin : it keeps doing the same thing i got the URL and then copied and pasted it to the 'open location' part in xmms. it still keeps pre-buffering over and over |
| 22:43.11 | iq | resiak, I did not. my boss gave me this machine to work on:) |
| 22:43.15 | citral | !factinfo annoy sussudio |
| 22:43.15 | dpkg | annoy sussudio -- last modified at Fri May 30 18:12:43 2003 by greycat!~wooledg@192.35.79.70; it has been requested 3 times, last by citral, 41s ago. |
| 22:43.16 | shingoki | cthulfuego, IRC? |
| 22:43.23 | citral | mmmm |
| 22:43.25 | cthulfuego | shingoki: planet fox |
| 22:43.30 | ia3264 | maybe 1 out of every 100,000 things i hear on the news i actually benefited from knowing |
| 22:43.31 | shingoki | cthulfuego, ah :) |
| 22:43.37 | Guerin | jcuk: then the url is fucked, or xmms is stupid. try playing it with mpg321 or similar |
| 22:43.38 | ia3264 | everything else im better off not knowing |
| 22:43.43 | resiak | iq: Those don't look like real Debian package repositories to me... |
| 22:43.44 | shingoki | I just love this thing about the "Liberal bias" in use media |
| 22:43.47 | ia3264 | what does it matter to me if some guy in another state shot a judge |
| 22:43.47 | saudilinux | Guerin idont have any problem with that but ihave to install it on my boss's PC so he can fix any problem :( |
| 22:43.49 | jcuk | k |
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| 22:44.11 | iq | resiak, Is it safe to remove? |
| 22:44.18 | resiak | iq: Just ignore that error. Try to install the package again. No, don't remove them. |
| 22:44.19 | Guerin | saudilinux: why the fuck would you let your non-technical boss even think about admin? |
| 22:44.21 | loocek | how could it is... that when I'm browsing some computer by "smbclient -L" as guest I get some directiories and when I'm browsing the same computer as lucas I get other directiories !!! and smb.conf is set only for guest |
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| 22:44.40 | resiak | loocek: Because it has stuff for your computer's users in it? |
| 22:44.44 | streuner_ | saudilinux: there isn't a magic GUI which solves _ANY_ problem. |
| 22:44.48 | blueskiesokie | how do i set permission on svga so i can use svncviewer without su ? |
| 22:44.49 | iq | resiak, thanks :) |
| 22:44.58 | jcuk | Guerin : how do i play with mpg321? |
| 22:45.10 | mwilson | jcuk: man mpg321 |
| 22:45.13 | Guerin | jcuk: mpg321 fileorurlyouwanttoplay |
| 22:45.34 | RichiH | Guerin: i presume it's because he wants to keep his paycheck in the monthly mail so as not to starve ;) |
| 22:45.38 | loocek | resiak: what ?? can you ask in different way ? :) |
| 22:46.01 | citral | dpkg: annoy $1 is <reply> $1: <reply> $1: (HOW TO THIS????? | Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? | (bash: (RTFM|FFS): command not found!!!!!) | ((PLZ|HELP)!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!!)) |
| 22:46.01 | dpkg | okay, citral |
| 22:46.09 | saudilinux | Guerin its his own PC :) |
| 22:46.10 | jcuk | k |
| 22:46.10 | RichiH | jcuk: you ask the parents of mpg321 if you can it can play with each other |
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| 22:46.41 | RichiH | !annoy citral |
| 22:46.42 | dpkg | citral: <reply> citral: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 22:46.46 | resiak | loocek: man smb.conf |
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| 22:46.49 | RichiH | thought as much |
| 22:46.50 | citral | d'oh |
| 22:46.56 | aardvark | no. |
| 22:46.57 | resiak | citral: You suck. |
| 22:47.00 | resiak | citral: :) |
| 22:47.04 | RichiH | like a hoover |
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| 22:47.16 | iq | Hi, http://pastebin.ca/10306 does it mean I have apache and apache2 both installed on this machine? |
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| 22:47.19 | resiak | which belongs to a very diligent cleaner! |
| 22:47.23 | Glitch_Master | I get this error when attempting to mount hdd, or my CD-RW drive: mount: /dev/hdd is not a block device |
| 22:47.34 | caphuso | iq: yes |
| 22:47.50 | loocek | resiak: ok |
| 22:47.52 | RichiH | Glitch_Master: you need to specify hdd1, hdd2, hdd3 etc |
| 22:47.53 | iq | caphuso, :( ... how to safely remove one of them? |
| 22:47.58 | citral | dpkg: cmd: annoy (.*?) =~ s/<reply> $1: (/(/ |
| 22:47.59 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'cmd: annoy (.*?)' to modify, citral |
| 22:48.00 | RichiH | iq: hammer |
| 22:48.02 | citral | bah |
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| 22:48.18 | Glitch_Master | RichiH: Oh? Okay... >.> |
| 22:48.18 | RichiH | !tell citral -about msg |
| 22:48.18 | caphuso | iq: aptitude/dselect/synaptic/apt-get/... |
| 22:48.19 | RichiH | :p |
| 22:48.20 | iq | RichiH, I've no idea what is 'hammer' |
| 22:48.21 | Guerin | saudilinux: irrelevant |
| 22:48.32 | mwilson | shingoki: Well, what about printing? |
| 22:48.34 | RichiH | Glitch_Master: fdisk -l /dev/hdd |
| 22:48.35 | saudilinux | i was thinking to use webmin but an servers admin program i knew that i can use it to my own PC but i need an easier program |
| 22:48.44 | resiak | saudilinux: What sysadmin things do you want him to be able to do? |
| 22:48.50 | shingoki | mwilson, no luck yet, but foomatic-gui is quite nice |
| 22:48.54 | jcuk | jcuk@debian:~$ mpg321 http://160.79.128.40:7020 |
| 22:48.54 | jcuk | bash: mpg321: command not found |
| 22:48.57 | jcuk | ... |
| 22:49.01 | RichiH | Glitch_Master: and as always with programs like fdisk, check the man page before you enter something a random guy on irc tells you |
| 22:49.03 | Guerin | saudilinux: administer his pc for him. As a non-technical user, he shouldn't even know his root pass. |
| 22:49.18 | streuner_ | Guerin: :-) |
| 22:49.22 | Guerin | !installit |
| 22:49.22 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 22:49.25 | ia3264 | someone needs to run back to windows |
| 22:49.34 | Guerin | jcuk: show some fucking adaptability, you twat. |
| 22:49.38 | mwilson | When I looked at it, it seemed rather useless. |
| 22:49.40 | streuner_ | no need to be so hard :-) |
| 22:49.43 | Glitch_Master | RichiH: I know better than to alter a live drive or something vital. I'm just bad with mounting. :P |
| 22:49.47 | RichiH | Guerin: oh come on, be nice |
| 22:49.52 | mwilson | It didn't do anything CUPS itself didn't. |
| 22:50.06 | jcuk | apt-get install mpg321 dont work :( |
| 22:50.10 | shingoki | mwilson, it just has a nice interface to do it with |
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| 22:50.19 | ia3264 | some people need help and sometimes the best help for them is a boot to the head |
| 22:50.23 | saudilinux | resiak did you see thw SUSE's program (yast) i need a program can make like it |
| 22:50.25 | resiak | jcuk: ...what version of Debian are you using? |
| 22:50.27 | shingoki | mwilson, still no luck though. I'm not sure at all what is wrong with it |
| 22:50.30 | resiak | saudilinux: ...no, you don't. |
| 22:50.38 | resiak | saudilinux: What does he really need to be able to do himself? |
| 22:50.41 | simonrvn | people don't use their heads, they don't think outside the box, and adapt what they do know to other stuff. like: "hmm, i know this, can i do this with that?" etc. |
| 22:50.45 | Glitch_Master | hdd1 and such don't exist. |
| 22:50.46 | mwilson | shingoki: What does it log? |
| 22:50.54 | phaedral | favorite spellcheck? ispell, aspell, spell, myspell? ??? :) |
| 22:50.58 | Guerin | saudilinux: use suse. Good luck to you ... |
| 22:51.00 | citral | that's weird |
| 22:51.12 | shingoki | mwilson, that would be a good thing to check, cups makes a log somewhere? |
| 22:51.12 | simonrvn | woohoo debian built heimdal with LDAP support :) |
| 22:51.16 | citral | dpkg: you're borked |
| 22:51.24 | phaedral | simonrvn: congrats |
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| 22:51.26 | ia3264 | dont forget 'you're' suppossed to tell the computer what to do. its waiting for your commands. if you're just shruggin then you're both screwed :) |
| 22:51.29 | jack | hi |
| 22:51.30 | Glitch_Master | Pity there aren't any ops, etc. on here right now. WoLF is an ad bot. :| |
| 22:51.30 | simonrvn | aspell |
| 22:51.34 | phaedral | wish i knew what you were talking about :) |
| 22:51.35 | jack | how do I format a partition in debian |
| 22:51.46 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 22:51.47 | jack | I want to format my /dev/hda3 to reiserfs |
| 22:51.47 | jcuk | resiak debian 3.1 |
| 22:51.50 | PerfDave | jack: mkfs |
| 22:51.52 | simonrvn | phaedral: implementation of krb5 |
| 22:51.54 | mwilson | jack: No you don't. |
| 22:51.56 | phaedral | simonrvn: aspell is what i think i'm used to |
| 22:52.03 | saudilinux | Guerin i said that to let you knew wich kind of programmes thar i need |
| 22:52.11 | jack | ? |
| 22:52.12 | PerfDave | Glitch_Master: Use !ops |
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| 22:52.16 | jack | what do I do then? |
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| 22:52.33 | mwilson | jack: Use an actually decent filesystem. |
| 22:52.39 | Glitch_Master | Err... |
| 22:52.40 | Glitch_Master | !ops |
| 22:52.40 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 22:52.41 | Glitch_Master | ? |
| 22:52.42 | jack | I had an ubuntu installation left in my /dev/hda3, and it refues to be deleted |
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| 22:52.50 | streuner_ | !ops WoLF is a on-join spambot |
| 22:52.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: WoLF is a on-join spambot |
| 22:52.55 | jack | how would i convert that to another filesystem |
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| 22:53.01 | jack | and deleting everything in it |
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| 22:53.08 | vincent | jack: you just want to delete it |
| 22:53.21 | PerfDave | jack: Use mkfs to format a partition with a fresh filesystem. |
| 22:53.28 | FieldySnuts | @lart WoLF |
| 22:53.31 | resiak | jcuk: apt-cache search mpg321 |
| 22:53.35 | FieldySnuts | hell i got that and i've been here for hours |
| 22:53.41 | jack | ok |
| 22:53.59 | shingoki | mwilson, aha! NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 22:54.04 | jack | how do I use mkfs though? |
| 22:54.11 | shingoki | so, I need to provide a password for the smb backend, somehow |
| 22:54.12 | jack | mkfs -ext3 /dev/hda3? |
| 22:54.13 | saudilinux | Guerin any idia exept using SuSe |
| 22:54.24 | simonrvn | jack you read the fricking manual |
| 22:54.31 | PerfDave | jack: man mkfs |
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| 22:54.37 | vincent | jack: mkfs.ext3 |
| 22:54.38 | mwilson | shingoki: Or figure out why the shared printer requires one. |
| 22:54.57 | shingoki | mwilson, I don't think it really does, its just one of those blank password things |
| 22:55.03 | shingoki | mwilson, I'll go have a look at it anyway |
| 22:55.08 | jcuk | resiak : thanks i didnt read everything there last time :) |
| 22:55.14 | resiak | saudilinux: What does he need to be able to do? |
| 22:55.49 | Glitch_Master | Nobody has really answered to my problem of hdd no mounting. In fstab they look identical. |
| 22:55.51 | jack | ok |
| 22:55.54 | jack | I made the filesystem |
| 22:55.58 | Glitch_Master | Err.. That is, hdc and hdd |
| 22:56.09 | jack | can I mount it to a folder, something like /home/jack/storage ? |
| 22:56.15 | PerfDave | jack: Yes |
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| 22:57.33 | saudilinux | resiak every thing from editing the boot loader config till upgrading the hole system (but using a GUI) |
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| 22:58.01 | Glitch_Master | Alright, I found my problem, but I don't know how to solve it: I've accidentally created hdd as a directory in /dev/. How can I fix this? |
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| 22:58.06 | mwilson | saudilinux: If your boss is doing all of these things, what does he need you for? |
| 22:58.25 | _ReDRuM_ | The rand() function returns a pseudo-random integer between 0 and RAND_MAX. |
| 22:58.25 | _ReDRuM_ | The srand() function sets its argument as the seed for a new sequence of pseudo-random integers to be returned by rand(). These sequences are repeatable by calling srand() with the same seed value. |
| 22:58.25 | _ReDRuM_ | If no seed value is provided, the rand() function is auto-matically seeded with a value of 1. |
| 22:58.27 | mwilson | Glitch_Master: Remove it and recreate it properly, of course. |
| 22:58.30 | saudilinux | mwilson he cant |
| 22:58.38 | jack | how do i display the permissions of a certain file? |
| 22:58.44 | Glitch_Master | mwilson: Yes, but how do I create it as the proper device? |
| 22:58.48 | _ReDRuM_ | jack: ls -l <file> |
| 22:58.52 | resiak | saudilinux: Why the hell do you want him to be able to edit the boot loader? |
| 22:59.48 | resiak | saudilinux: Anyway, apt-cache show gnome-system-tools synaptic , and you really can't expect him to be able to do, or need to do, anything more than they let him do. |
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| 23:00.34 | saudilinux | resiak he want to do it |
| 23:00.46 | Glitch_Master | ...Anyone know how I can create/recreate a device listing in /dev/? |
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| 23:00.56 | resiak | saudilinux: Then he should bloody well learn. |
| 23:01.00 | caphuso | Glitch_Master: MAKEDEV or mknod |
| 23:01.01 | mwilson | man mknod, man MAKEDEV |
| 23:01.09 | resiak | Glitch_Master: If you're using udev, however... |
| 23:01.11 | Glitch_Master | Oh.. I thought there might be a command. |
| 23:01.24 | mwilson | There is. You were just told two of them. |
| 23:01.26 | saudilinux | resiak its his own pc so he can do any thing he want |
| 23:01.33 | resiak | saudilinux: Sure, like LEARN HOW TO DO IT |
| 23:01.42 | Glitch_Master | mwilson: yes... I was conferming my thoughts. Now let me go learn. |
| 23:01.51 | resiak | saudilinux: There is _nothing_ that he will have to do to his computer once it's set up that those tools won't let him do.. |
| 23:02.01 | Gnea | ok children. |
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| 23:02.11 | resiak | saudilinux: There's a bootloader editor, a GUI package manager, network interface manager, runlevel conf program, etc. |
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| 23:02.18 | resiak | saudilinux: What more could he/you possibly wnat? |
| 23:02.18 | mwilson | resiak: udev is so broken that it would have created a directory rather than a device node? Wow. |
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| 23:02.46 | resiak | mwilson: udev works perfectly for me. I was only saying that because MAKEDEV doesn't do anything if you're using udev. |
| 23:02.54 | saudilinux | resiak yes but all of them on text mode |
| 23:02.56 | Gnea | mwilson: man everytime you talk in here yer all pissed off, what's up with that? |
| 23:02.58 | tracer | citral: the audio works, but only using the totem movie player, the others just lock up or give errors |
| 23:03.00 | resiak | saudilinux: No |
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| 23:03.16 | saudilinux | resiak he wanted GUI program |
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| 23:03.22 | resiak | saudilinux: Did you run the apt-cache show I gave you? |
| 23:03.34 | resiak | saudilinux: THOSE ARE GUI PROGRAMS. I GAVE YOU THE ANSWER YOU WERE LOOKING FOR. |
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| 23:03.53 | Gnea | saudilinux: just tell him to install synaptic and be done with it. |
| 23:04.00 | resiak | Gnea: gnome-system-tools, too. |
| 23:04.04 | citral | tracer: what others, what errors ? try to launch xmms from an xterm, to debug for example |
| 23:04.04 | Gnea | saudilinux: that's all he needs, boom, end of story. |
| 23:04.07 | Gnea | fuck gnome |
| 23:04.09 | Gnea | gnome sucks |
| 23:04.20 | resiak | Gnea: No, it doesn't. </holy_war> |
| 23:04.25 | Ronin | to each thier own Gnea |
| 23:04.28 | Gnea | synaptic is a GUI that handles package management. |
| 23:04.30 | mwilson | Did I just see someone recommending *Gnome* as a sysadmin tool? |
| 23:04.36 | mwilson | That's... scary. |
| 23:04.36 | saudilinux | resiak if THOSE ARE GUI PROGRAMS how can he run them ????? |
| 23:04.37 | Gnea | resiak: Enlightenment > Gnome :) |
| 23:04.38 | vincent | ahahha |
| 23:04.44 | Gnea | Ronin: i know i know, i'm being a right bastard |
| 23:04.47 | resiak | saudilinux: BY CLICKING ON THE FUCKING ICONS! |
| 23:04.53 | bob2 | chill, people |
| 23:04.55 | Gnea | mwilson: for real |
| 23:04.58 | Ronin | Gnea: trying to start a religous war :) |
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| 23:05.05 | mwilson | What happens when WauWau decides admins shouldn't be changing passwords any longer? |
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| 23:05.23 | aardvark | spambot. |
| 23:05.25 | saudilinux | resiak this is the point there is no FUCKING ICONS to them |
| 23:05.33 | tracer | citral: xmms says libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory and then Message: device: default |
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| 23:05.50 | tracer | citral: and will hang if i try to play audio |
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| 23:05.54 | aardvark | bob2: DoGan |
| 23:05.56 | citral | tracer: that's normal message, not an error |
| 23:05.58 | Gnea | Ronin: i leave that to the illiterate and uneducated :) |
| 23:06.01 | streuner_ | tracer: apt-get install mikmod |
| 23:06.07 | tracer | ok |
| 23:06.34 | citral | tracer: anyway, apt-get install libmikmod2 |
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| 23:07.03 | Gnea | saudilinux: if he's got a desktop then have him create an icon for it |
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| 23:07.11 | citral | tracer: and mpg321 -v -o alsa foo.mp3 gives no error? |
| 23:07.15 | aardvark | :-| |
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| 23:07.23 | Gnea | saudilinux: you'll have to do it yourself and then walk him thru it over the phone or something |
| 23:07.28 | patrickfwork | I have a question (beginner) |
| 23:07.34 | Gnea | shit man, it's not rocket science heh |
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| 23:08.03 | Gnea | !tell patrickfwork about ask |
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| 23:08.08 | tracer | citral: same error as always, Unknown argument "alsa" to option "alsa" |
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| 23:08.19 | patrickfwork | how is the name of the "tool" on linux for easier looking around on my hard disk - to see all my folders ... |
| 23:08.19 | tracer | cital: done with mikmod |
| 23:08.23 | tracer | citral: done with mikmod |
| 23:08.34 | jcuk | ok im still having problems when trying to listen to the URLS in the .pls files. Xmms crashing now and then ive tried it with several streams now still the same thing so the problem is something on debian |
| 23:08.44 | hklv | how to install a specific version of a package? |
| 23:08.51 | Gnea | patrickfwork: oh, a file-browser? there are TONS of those... try rox |
| 23:08.53 | bob2 | hklv: you can't, in general |
| 23:08.56 | PerfDave | patrickfwork: There are several. Do you want GUI or command line? What GUI are you running? |
| 23:09.05 | bob2 | hklv: if apt knows about the version, tho, then: apt-get install blah=1.2.3 |
| 23:09.14 | citral | tracer: that's strange with mpg321, jsut try mpg321 -v foo.mp3 then |
| 23:09.18 | hklv | bob2: thanks. |
| 23:09.41 | mwilson | AUGH! |
| 23:09.45 | Gnea | jcuk: can you listen to tunes regularly? |
| 23:09.45 | patrickfwork | command line, the tool looks like a blue box ... |
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| 23:10.01 | tracer | citral: no error, but no sound as well |
| 23:10.04 | patrickfwork | but I don't know the command to load or open this tool |
| 23:10.09 | mwilson | All Flash authors must *die*. |
| 23:10.18 | Gnea | patrickfwork: you type: rox |
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| 23:10.27 | PerfDave | patrickfwork: You probably want mc |
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| 23:10.30 | saudilinux | Gnea the problem is that i dont use debian so idont know there names |
| 23:10.32 | bob2 | mwilson: duh |
| 23:10.41 | patrickfwork | "command not found" |
| 23:10.48 | patrickfwork | if I type rox |
| 23:10.49 | Gnea | saudilinux: how do you intend to support something you don't know? |
| 23:10.51 | a_monkey | what is the resolution of debian's default cursor set? |
| 23:10.57 | Gnea | patrickfwork: apt-get install rox |
| 23:10.59 | patrickfwork | yes!!!! mc I think |
| 23:11.01 | citral | tracer: and it runs ? you see Frame# numbers-running ? |
| 23:11.11 | patrickfwork | how can I activate or load mc??? |
| 23:11.20 | Gnea | patrickfwork: i just told you how... |
| 23:11.22 | Gnea | fucking READ |
| 23:11.36 | bob2 | chill, dudes |
| 23:11.36 | bucky | patrickfwork, type mc in a term |
| 23:11.45 | citral | some people really need to come down tonight |
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| 23:12.11 | patrickfwork | "command not found" the system writes |
| 23:12.12 | saudilinux | Gnea i dont but im the only one who use linux in our town |
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| 23:12.17 | patrickfwork | sorry I'm a beginner |
| 23:12.20 | Delph | Gnea: to be fair, last i checked (and i check every day) rox isn't a commandline filebrowser. |
| 23:12.21 | bucky | patrickfwork, apt-get install mc |
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| 23:12.47 | tracer | citral: oops, i was using mpg123 mpg321 works with -o alsa, but still, no sound |
| 23:12.51 | peterS | Delph: aren't "command line" and "file browser" mutually exclusive? |
| 23:12.54 | mwilson | I thought I'd remembered to remove Flash. |
| 23:13.02 | Delph | peterS: see midnightcommander =:) |
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| 23:13.04 | simonrvn | patrickfwork: don't apologise for being a newbie. only if you fuck up somehow ;) |
| 23:13.06 | tracer | citral: and yes, i see a Frame# |
| 23:13.12 | peterS | Delph: that's not command-line, it's full-screen, no? |
| 23:13.17 | Gnea | Delph: one can type 'rox' on a command line and have the GUI popup on the desktop. |
| 23:13.19 | Delph | peterS: and i'll contend that 'tab' is a file browser. |
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| 23:13.25 | Gnea | thus, it is indeed commandline. |
| 23:13.26 | Delph | Gnea: it's also not blue. |
| 23:13.37 | saudilinux | Gnea so please may i have the names for the programes???? |
| 23:13.50 | citral | tracer: good, type alsamixer now, adjust the volumes, and unmute the channels by pressing "m" on them |
| 23:13.56 | Gnea | saudilinux: i already told you, you need to learn how to use the system |
| 23:13.58 | PerfDave | saudilinux: Why not get this person to install the version of Linux you know, so you can support it? |
| 23:14.29 | saudilinux | PerfDave i dont have the cd's |
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| 23:14.58 | chealer | [repeat] where should I ask help about using Debian's stock kernels? debian-user? |
| 23:15.06 | Pakal | can I asign two IPs on the same ethernet card? |
| 23:15.15 | citral | chealer: why not here? |
| 23:15.22 | PerfDave | Pakal: Yes |
| 23:15.26 | PerfDave | saudilinux: Then how did you install it? |
| 23:15.29 | tracer | citral: works, you da man, all apps work now |
| 23:15.32 | saudilinux | Gnea saudilinux: i already told you, you need to learn how to use the system (i know that and for that i came here) |
| 23:15.38 | Pakal | how can I asign two IPs on the same ethernet card? |
| 23:15.42 | mwilson | Gods, RMS is a moron. |
| 23:15.53 | vincent | pakal: aliases |
| 23:15.57 | cureless | Pakal: ifconfig eth0:0 some other ip |
| 23:16.04 | Gnea | saudilinux: ok, then you need to download and install debian on a system and learn how to use it so you can help your boss out with it |
| 23:16.05 | Pakal | ok |
| 23:16.07 | chealer | citral: I already asked how to use mkinitrd without generating an initrd with vesafb autoloading at boot without success |
| 23:16.08 | jethro | Pakal: ifconfig eth0, then ifconfig eth0:0, ifconfig eth0:1 |
| 23:16.15 | Glitch_Master | Strange... MAKEDEV seems to be working, doesn't complain, in verbose it makes around 10 extensions of hdd, but upon ls'ing /dev/, there is no hdd. Nothing is created, despite the script's happy output. |
| 23:16.21 | saudilinux | PerfDave my pc came with suse |
| 23:16.28 | Gnea | saudilinux: http://www.debian.org <-- that is the webpage, go there, RTFM, get an ISO or a netinstaller image and go nuts |
| 23:16.30 | citral | tracer: nice, but it's not normal that the apps hang if the channels are muted. That's probably an unstable illness :) |
| 23:16.31 | Pakal | and I lost velocity or something? |
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| 23:16.45 | shingoki | mwilson, printing worked! :) |
| 23:16.48 | Gnea | oh man |
| 23:16.51 | jethro | Pakal: what are you talking about? |
| 23:16.55 | Gnea | i fucking HATE SuSE with a passion. |
| 23:17.00 | Gnea | i have to support that crap at work |
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| 23:17.08 | Gnea | dumbest distro ever |
| 23:17.09 | cureless | Pakal: your network card is a laptop and it was moving? |
| 23:17.15 | Pakal | and with two IPs on the same card, I lost velocity or something? |
| 23:17.18 | tracer | citral: ill be sure to install testing next time, however, it did not cleanly detect my sound card it seems, that may be the problem |
| 23:17.19 | Glitch_Master | I've heard nothing but good things about it, Gnea... |
| 23:17.20 | hklv | I need to install a specific version of libx11-6 in order to install libx11-dev and libgtk-2.0-dev. When I try to install this specific version, apt-get also want to deinstall xfree86. How can I fix this problem? |
| 23:17.29 | tracer | citral: works fine now tho, thanks again |
| 23:17.33 | Gnea | Glitch_Master: oh yeah if you like having everything dumbed-down for you |
| 23:17.33 | Phazor | Gnea, suse isnt as bad as windows. just think of it that way |
| 23:17.37 | citral | chealer: maybe because your question doesn't make sense? |
| 23:17.44 | citral | tracer: no problem |
| 23:17.45 | jethro | Pakal: you have 1 nic, so you have the bandwidth shared for all IPs on the same nic |
| 23:17.46 | cureless | I don't mind SuSE that much, specially when compared to Red Hat. |
| 23:17.48 | Glitch_Master | Gnea: That's why it's called a USER-FRIENDLY distro. |
| 23:17.51 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 23:17.51 | dpkg | RedHat is lame! |
| 23:17.54 | Glitch_Master | :P |
| 23:17.56 | mwilson | hklv: No, you don't. |
| 23:17.58 | Phazor | but ya it is dumbed down to the point that I can no longer understand it. As I am a power user |
| 23:18.02 | chealer | [repeat] according to man mkinitrd, "If the directory /lib/modules/version/initrd exists, the modules in it will be included on the initrd image. They will be loaded at boot time." I have a /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-k7/initrd/vesafb.ko so vesafb will be included. I want to use mkinitrd to keep my kernel from loading vesafb at boot. vesafb.ko is provided by kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7. How can I do that? |
| 23:18.03 | Glitch_Master | I've never used it. |
| 23:18.05 | citral | SuSE really sucks ass |
| 23:18.07 | Pakal | ok, thanks! |
| 23:18.10 | Gnea | Glitch_Master: why, because it assumes the user is dumb? |
| 23:18.14 | saudilinux | Gnea i know that most of linux users hate SUSE but it's a great distro |
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| 23:18.18 | chealer | citral: I don't know, but feel free to tell me if it doesn't |
| 23:18.23 | Gnea | hey |
| 23:18.26 | shingoki | mwilson, stupid windows/smb needed the user name and blank password specifying, after that it worked |
| 23:18.26 | Gnea | don't get me wrong |
| 23:18.27 | Gnea | suse works |
| 23:18.31 | jethro | suse is teh suck !!1! |
| 23:18.32 | Pakal | NetBSD rullezz! |
| 23:18.37 | Gnea | i just hate using that yast shit |
| 23:18.38 | Glitch_Master | Enough with the argument. People obviously are too loyal to one thing to consider the positive side of another. |
| 23:18.43 | citral | <chealer> citral: I already asked how to use mkinitrd without generating an initrd with vesafb autoloading at boot |
| 23:18.46 | Glitch_Master | Anyway... |
| 23:18.51 | Gnea | it wants a l/pw to update over the network what the HELL is that shit? |
| 23:18.54 | hklv | mwilson: then what I should do to install libgtk-2.0-dev and other dependent libraries? |
| 23:18.56 | saudilinux | Pakal i didnt get this far |
| 23:19.03 | citral | chealer: ... either you use initrd, or not |
| 23:19.05 | cureless | Gnea: that's why you don't run SuSE |
| 23:19.06 | Gnea | i just type "apt-get update && apt-get ugprade" and it's just done |
| 23:19.08 | Phazor | every distro has its good and bad points, id rather suse exist than not exist. |
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| 23:19.21 | chealer | citral: maybe I didn't phrase it correctly |
| 23:19.30 | citral | chealer: stock kernel should come with an initrd. |
| 23:19.34 | saudilinux | Gnea i know what you ment but that is the trouth |
| 23:19.34 | pwned | is there a "Debian way" for compiling a zipped source? |
| 23:19.47 | cureless | pwned: as in .zip? |
| 23:19.49 | Glitch_Master | Anyone want a laugh? Debian was my first running Linux distro. I did try RedHat for two days a long time ago, but that was back when I was on dialup, and it didn't support my shitty winmodem. |
| 23:19.53 | Phazor | pwned, as in .zip or tar.gz |
| 23:20.01 | jethro | !pal Glitch_Master |
| 23:20.03 | pwned | cureless: how it is zipped is irrelevant. Maybe even zipping is irrelevant |
| 23:20.03 | chealer | citral: I don't think mine does |
| 23:20.11 | pwned | just is there way to compile an archived source the debian way |
| 23:20.13 | Glitch_Master | Rather successful, too. |
| 23:20.26 | citral | chealer: oh, wait you don't want vesafb to be loaded at boot time? |
| 23:20.27 | cureless | pwned: what are you compiling? |
| 23:20.33 | chealer | citral: right |
| 23:20.38 | streuner | pwned: what app? |
| 23:20.43 | citral | chealer: what kernel do you have? |
| 23:20.45 | pwned | gcc and g++ 4.0 |
| 23:20.47 | Glitch_Master | I'm running it fine, aside from my constant bad luck, such as a disappearing /dev/hdd that refuses to be resurrected. |
| 23:20.52 | Gnea | cureless: yeah but novell has an invested interest |
| 23:20.52 | Gnea | so i have to suffer thru it |
| 23:20.52 | Gnea | and |
| 23:20.52 | Gnea | what's up with older versions of SuSE? they don't identify themselves so they can't get updated |
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| 23:20.56 | PerfDave | pwned: I'd expect standard configure, make, make install to work. /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 23:20.57 | chealer | citral: 2.6.11-1 2.6.11-2 |
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| 23:21.13 | jethro | pwned: why the fuck would you want to compile that ? |
| 23:21.20 | cureless | Gnea: I thought you didn't use SuSE, why do you suffer? |
| 23:21.21 | citral | chealer: is that really a debian stock kernel? |
| 23:21.22 | Gnea | i didn't flood |
| 23:21.34 | Gnea | cureless: it's for work. READ. |
| 23:21.35 | ia3264 | yeah you did :P |
| 23:21.37 | chealer | citral: I have kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 version 2.6.11-2 |
| 23:21.44 | Gnea | no i didn't, the server sucks |
| 23:21.50 | Gnea | :) |
| 23:21.56 | cureless | Gnea: I thought you were just chiming in on the other conversation. |
| 23:21.57 | pwned | jethro: I am developing on an amd k7 and I need an optimized 4.0 . Why the fuck would you ask like that? |
| 23:22.06 | Glitch_Master | I enjoy ham. |
| 23:22.13 | Gnea | cureless: no i was creating a tangent |
| 23:22.14 | citral | chealer: what do you want to load, instead of vesafb? |
| 23:22.28 | cureless | Gnea: should have guess, we're in IRC anyway :- |
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| 23:22.34 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 23:22.35 | chealer | citral: nothing. *no* fb |
| 23:22.43 | phaedral | lynx gets "bad request" at google? |
| 23:22.45 | jethro | pwned: just being fucking curious about your fucking reasons to compile a compiler, thought you were one of those guys feeling the need for getting the latest at all cost |
| 23:22.49 | streuner | pwned: its pretty unusual to reach for headaches in that form |
| 23:22.49 | phaedral | or is it just me |
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| 23:23.10 | pwned | mkay then. |
| 23:23.14 | cureless | Gnea: ). Anyway I was just flamewaring that I prefer SuSE over RH. Then again, I don't use either but I'm forced to recomend something to some clients. |
| 23:23.19 | pwned | I will heed /usr/local |
| 23:23.21 | citral | chealer: I think that is append video=offonly, kernel argument |
| 23:23.24 | saudilinux | ???? |
| 23:23.25 | pwned | thanks everyone |
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| 23:23.33 | cureless | pwned: there are many practices people use for compiling stuff. |
| 23:23.39 | saudilinux | thanks everyone |
| 23:24.01 | ia3264 | why are people afraid of configure/make/make install |
| 23:24.14 | streuner | pwned: Did you ask in #c too? |
| 23:24.19 | cureless | pwned: in your case, since gcc 4 will eventually be in debian (we think), it might be easier to install it in something specific, like /usr/local/gcc4 and then add the relevant paths to use the software. As opposed to just /usr/local and having to remove it later 'cause of conflicts. |
| 23:24.28 | chealer | citral: google returns nothing for that. I did try multiple options already |
| 23:24.29 | citral | chealer: sorryn, append "video=ofonly" |
| 23:24.41 | phaedral | ia3264: clueless newbies like me too often get errors they don't know how to fix |
| 23:24.54 | pwned | cureless: alright then |
| 23:24.58 | chealer | citral: brb, I'll check that |
| 23:25.13 | ia3264 | but errors help you learn |
| 23:25.16 | cureless | phaedral: "gurus" like me too often get errors they don't know how to fix either. |
| 23:25.17 | pwned | streuner: that would be ##C. And asking about debian packaging is off-topic there. I wouldn't ask. |
| 23:25.23 | phaedral | cureless: :) |
| 23:25.24 | ia3264 | why bypass any good opportunities for learning |
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| 23:25.34 | phaedral | ia3264: so very true; sometimes don't have time to learn |
| 23:25.37 | jethro | pwned: debian packaging is described in the nm guide |
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| 23:25.53 | jethro | !tell pwned -about nm guide |
| 23:26.00 | pwned | thanks jethro |
| 23:26.01 | cureless | packaging gcc4 might not be a simple task though |
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| 23:26.06 | jethro | pwned: you're welcome |
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| 23:26.16 | jethro | cureless: indeed :) |
| 23:27.05 | citral | chealer: seems to be a ppc specific option though, the x86 option is append "vga=normal" I think |
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| 23:27.20 | citral | anyway, it's append "something" |
| 23:27.49 | Glitch_Master | So.... |
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| 23:28.03 | Glitch_Master | Perhaps I'll repeat my problem, since it got sucked away in distro wars. |
| 23:28.50 | citral | <Glitch_Master> I enjoy ham. |
| 23:29.05 | Glitch_Master | That wasn't my problem. :P |
| 23:29.05 | citral | heh |
| 23:29.17 | Glitch_Master | Strange... MAKEDEV seems to be working, doesn't complain, in verbose it makes around 10 extensions of hdd, but upon ls'ing /dev/, there is no hdd. Nothing is created, despite the script's happy output. |
| 23:29.26 | Glitch_Master | 20, actually. |
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| 23:30.16 | resiak | Glitch_Master: You're using udev |
| 23:30.26 | citral | likely |
| 23:31.07 | Glitch_Master | resiak: I am? |
| 23:31.22 | citral | udev is know to cause anal cancers |
| 23:31.38 | citral | Glitch_Master: no, you dpkg -l | grep udev |
| 23:31.39 | resiak | udev WFM.; |
| 23:31.43 | gravity | Hey, I was just talking in another chan about how udev hurts so very much |
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| 23:32.19 | Glitch_Master | citral: Explain, please. |
| 23:32.20 | chealer | citral: I already tried vga=normal and asked for other suggestions multiple times |
| 23:32.39 | citral | chealer: what's wrong exactly? |
| 23:32.58 | cthulfuego | Why would you package gcc 4? |
| 23:33.02 | chealer | citral: what's with that option or vesafb? |
| 23:33.13 | citral | Glitch_Master: type "dpkg -l | grep udev" in a term, to see if udev is installed on your system |
| 23:33.40 | citral | chealer: what is the problem with vesafb? |
| 23:33.41 | Glitch_Master | citral: Ah. |
| 23:34.00 | crazed1980 | After cold booting my server, it no longer boots. I stuck at a "Freeing unused kernel memory" and it won't go anyfurther. Anyone ever troubleshoot a problem like this? |
| 23:34.02 | Glitch_Master | citral: ii udev 0.056-2 /dev/ management daemon |
| 23:34.07 | resiak | \o/ |
| 23:34.11 | citral | yay |
| 23:34.11 | resiak | !magic hate ball |
| 23:34.14 | resiak | Aww. |
| 23:34.18 | vessuvius | I'm new to debian... going to do my first install on a server... is the "testing" release stable enough for a server? |
| 23:34.35 | citral | vessuvius: a server of what? |
| 23:35.10 | cthulfuego | vessuvius: Not if you don't know what you're doing. What hardware? |
| 23:35.11 | vessuvius | citral... just a home server... will run a website, dns, etc... |
| 23:35.11 | chealer | citral: #nvidia recommends to not use it at the same time as NVIDIA's drivers. symptoms of failing to do so include hard lockups on vt-switching which I already experienced twice |
| 23:35.11 | cthulfuego | vessuvius: AH ok, that should be fine then. |
| 23:35.11 | citral | vessuvius: a public web server, or a private one? |
| 23:35.11 | Glitch_Master | Somebody should change that to noobs, of the second (soon to be first) definition: People who are so moronic and stupid that they lack the intellectual capacity needed to learn new/useful/correct things. |
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| 23:35.26 | chealer | citral: actually NVIDIA recommend not using any fb with their drivers |
| 23:35.28 | ia3264 | why does linux have redundant commands? like 'apropos' when 'man -k' does the exact same thing, or 'arch' when uname -m does the same thing, etc |
| 23:35.34 | vessuvius | its an old PIII 550, firewire (for my IPOD), soundblaster live card... nvidia riva card... nothin real special |
| 23:35.34 | resiak | What happened to that guy ... saudi* ... at whom I yelled and then had to part to avoid killing someone. |
| 23:35.39 | vessuvius | citral, public |
| 23:35.51 | ia3264 | if linux is all about using the least amount of resources, it makes no sense |
| 23:35.53 | citral | chealer: so... they must tell the way to do so, or not? |
| 23:36.09 | Area-51 | is there a way to make xlock not display screensavers but to just display a blank screen or turn off my lcd? (debian sarge) |
| 23:36.12 | citral | vessuvius: so go for woody, if you hardware isn't too recent |
| 23:36.12 | p8m | ia3264: linux is a kernel, you're talking about userland utilities |
| 23:36.19 | crazed1980 | stuck at "Freeing Unused kernet memory: apon boot. Can anyone help? |
| 23:36.20 | gravity | ia3264: Historical reasons |
| 23:36.21 | cthulfuego | kbrooks: newbie != noob |
| 23:36.30 | vessuvius | woody=stable, sarge = testing right? |
| 23:36.32 | Glitch_Master | Exactly, cthulfuego. |
| 23:36.37 | citral | vessuvius: right |
| 23:36.37 | chealer | resiak: heh... it works most of the time for me too. it happened when I was playing an OpenGL game and Ctrl Alt F1. but not always |
| 23:36.37 | kbrooks | cthulfuego, define newbie and noob |
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| 23:36.40 | ia3264 | linux is a kernel but linux is also the whole system (bsd, gnu tools, etc) |
| 23:36.47 | cthulfuego | ia3264: Because it's alwatys better of having two ways of doing something than one way. |
| 23:36.51 | Area-51 | vessuvius: correct |
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| 23:36.57 | EvilSporkMan | ia3264: no, BSD is DEFINTELY not linux, and the GNU tools are the GNU tools =P |
| 23:36.57 | resiak | chealer: Well if you tried to vt switch while playing an OpenGL game, you deserve it ;) |
| 23:36.59 | jethro | !pal ia3264 |
| 23:37.01 | ia3264 | makes no sense for historical reasons when linux offers so many new things and ditches a lot of history |
| 23:37.01 | jair_11 | hello guys |
| 23:37.03 | cthulfuego | ia3264: No, Linux is not bsd. |
| 23:37.12 | EvilSporkMan | ia3264: i wouldnn't nitpick you on the GNU tools except you also mentioned BSD |
| 23:37.15 | ia3264 | i didnt say that but all those things comprise a linux system |
| 23:37.17 | vessuvius | ok :) any qualms about using the "unofficial" minimal CD of woody? |
| 23:37.18 | Area-51 | !pal jair_11 |
| 23:37.18 | p8m | ia3264: Nope, linux is a kernel. gnu is a os and bsd is an os |
| 23:37.20 | ia3264 | linux system != linux kernel |
| 23:37.20 | chealer | citral: they don't really tell the way to do that. you have to not use the framebuffers. but vesafb is loaded by default on 2.6 |
| 23:37.24 | jair_11 | I have a question if I download the package .deb of fluxbox I will be able to run it? |
| 23:37.29 | ia3264 | i said linux system |
| 23:37.32 | resiak | jair_11: apt-get install fluxbox |
| 23:37.33 | gravity | ia3264: "compromise"? How does man -k and apropos compromise a linux system? |
| 23:37.42 | cthulfuego | jair_11: Only if it's for the right debian version. |
| 23:37.43 | kbrooks | !pal jair_11 |
| 23:37.47 | jethro | p8m: gnu/hurd is an os, gnu is not |
| 23:37.49 | jair_11 | resiak, but I do not have internet connection on this machine |
| 23:37.49 | chealer | resiak: oh yeah? I never heard about that. can you explain? |
| 23:37.51 | ia3264 | the linux system comes with both of those commands |
| 23:37.53 | Glitch_Master | citral, again: ii udev 0.056-2 /dev/ management daemon |
| 23:37.59 | resiak | chealer: ...? |
| 23:37.59 | EvilSporkMan | how can i figure out what revision my samsung drive is? |
| 23:38.04 | gravity | ia3264: So...? Where's the compromise? |
| 23:38.05 | EvilSporkMan | (optical drive, that is) |
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| 23:38.07 | resiak | jair_11: Oh. Then probably, yes. |
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| 23:38.13 | p8m | jethro: gnu is an os |
| 23:38.17 | jair_11 | cthulfuego, ok I will go get the testing .deb |
| 23:38.18 | jethro | I don't think so |
| 23:38.23 | ia3264 | so why not just have uname -a, who needs an 'arch' command why continue including it |
| 23:38.26 | kbrooks | jair_11, dpkg -i it as root |
| 23:38.29 | chealer | resiak: about deserving the lockup... |
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| 23:38.29 | p8m | jethro: gnu/hurd is just a clarification |
| 23:38.31 | Rambo3 | i have no /dev/dsp , where is it linked from ? i have no dsp in /dev/snd |
| 23:38.34 | jair_11 | and the command will be apt-get install fluxbox.deb |
| 23:38.34 | ia3264 | or aprpos when man -k is easier to remembe ranyway and all systems have uname and man anyway |
| 23:38.36 | resiak | chealer: I'm kidding :) |
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| 23:38.54 | jair_11 | kbrooks, what that command will do? |
| 23:38.54 | EvilSporkMan | ia3264: for all you know, uname -m runs arch |
| 23:38.58 | ia3264 | *uname -m |
| 23:39.02 | drac | jair_11: nothing. |
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| 23:39.11 | chealer | resiak: ok...sorry, I don't get it |
| 23:39.18 | ia3264 | evil i know it doesnt. |
| 23:39.18 | jair_11 | I do not have internet on this machine and I am installing the fluxbox from a usb drivers flash |
| 23:39.20 | ia3264 | look at the source |
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| 23:39.31 | EvilSporkMan | ia3264: is arch in coreutils? |
| 23:39.32 | kbrooks | jair_11, dpkg -i /path/to/fluxbox.deb |
| 23:39.33 | ia3264 | its a simple uname struct anyone could write, the arch command is usless |
| 23:39.34 | jair_11 | drac, I also have the package of tar.gz |
| 23:39.55 | ia3264 | but my point is theres a lot of useless extra commands, but why |
| 23:39.58 | resiak | chealer: Don't worry. |
| 23:39.58 | kbrooks | jair_11, do not use the tar.gz. EVER |
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| 23:40.07 | resiak | ia3264: uname is not useless. |
| 23:40.09 | gravity | ia3264: Historical reasons and ignorance. Also convenience. |
| 23:40.10 | jair_11 | kbrooks, why not? |
| 23:40.12 | EvilSporkMan | ia3264: go ahead and rm /bin/arch then, and see if anything breaks. if it does, that's why arch was there. |
| 23:40.13 | ia3264 | regardless of whos responsible, fsf, bsd, etc |
| 23:40.21 | jair_11 | I do not have internet access on this machine |
| 23:40.21 | ia3264 | i didnt say uname is useless, i said arch is useless |
| 23:40.30 | crazed1980 | Guys, my system is stuck at "freeing unused kernel memory" apon boot after a cold reboot. can anyone help |
| 23:40.40 | ia3264 | juse like apropos is useless when theres man -k |
| 23:40.50 | EvilSporkMan | ia3264: extra commands with no apparent use are probably there to support shell scripting across Unices. |
| 23:40.52 | gravity | ia3264: Was man -k always around? |
| 23:40.54 | Glitch_Master | Byerg... |
| 23:41.00 | gravity | ia3264: Was uname -m always around? |
| 23:41.01 | resiak | ia3264: Does man -k search info? |
| 23:41.04 | ia3264 | evil right i get that but whos runnin THOSE scripts in linux? |
| 23:41.06 | kbrooks | jair_11, the .deb you download is self contained |
| 23:41.09 | ia3264 | in 2005 especially |
| 23:41.22 | resiak | ia3264: Plenty of people with old scripts that WORK. |
| 23:41.32 | EvilSporkMan | ia3264: generic unix scripts...Mac OSX is NOT Linux, but it's Unix |
| 23:41.34 | ia3264 | well make those commands 3rd party then |
| 23:41.40 | ia3264 | and if those guys want it they can download it |
| 23:41.43 | gravity | ia3264: So fix it |
| 23:41.48 | gravity | ia3264: Why are you bitching to us? |
| 23:41.51 | ia3264 | im not |
| 23:41.54 | ia3264 | i asked a sikmple question |
| 23:41.57 | abrotman | crazed1980: maybe it has a lot to free? :) |
| 23:41.59 | ia3264 | and everyone gave me a hard time about it :P |
| 23:42.03 | gravity | ia3264: And we gave you a simple answer. And you keep bitching about it. |
| 23:42.06 | EvilSporkMan | WHBT. |
| 23:42.08 | kbrooks | jair_11, you do not need a net connection to install the self contained .deb |
| 23:42.09 | jair_11 | kbrooks, ok |
| 23:42.11 | ia3264 | noone gave me an answer |
| 23:42.16 | jethro | gnu man -k is equivalent to gnu apropos -f , where bsd man -k is equivalent to apropos |
| 23:42.16 | resiak | ia3264: What's the point in taking them out? |
| 23:42.18 | ia3264 | they were toob usy whinnin about how linux is only a kernel |
| 23:42.20 | gravity | ia3264: "Historical reasons." |
| 23:42.20 | drac | I have a problem with dualhead, OpenGL applications work in both but only for half size of secondary display. I'm thinking about problem with Viewport, is this correct value for 2 x 1280x1024 settings, Viewport 2560 1024 ? |
| 23:42.22 | jair_11 | I will go then and download the x-window-system-core |
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| 23:42.28 | ia3264 | nevermind jeez |
| 23:42.37 | kbrooks | !pal ia3264 |
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| 23:42.41 | jair_11 | kbrooks, I do not have internet connection |
| 23:42.44 | gravity | ia3264: If you really want to know, go ask some really old UNIX types. |
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| 23:42.49 | abrotman | jair_11: how are you here? |
| 23:42.52 | jair_11 | kbrooks, I do not have believe me |
| 23:43.03 | Area-51 | is there a way to make xlock not display screensavers but to just display a blank screen or turn off my lcd? (debian sarge) |
| 23:43.04 | kbrooks | jair_11, prove it |
| 23:43.05 | ia3264 | people always do that on irc, someone asks a question not even caring and everyone gets all into semantics and starts askin 300 other questions instead of answerin it then the guy who originally answered it tries to answer all those questions and then gets labelled an ass |
| 23:43.09 | jair_11 | abrotman, this is a different machine jesus |
| 23:43.15 | abrotman | jair_11: you lie! :) |
| 23:43.20 | jair_11 | kbrooks, what do you mean? |
| 23:43.26 | abrotman | jair_11: i'm also not jesus :) |
| 23:43.31 | EvilSporkMan | Area-51: xset dpms force off will turn off the LCD, but not lock the screen...man xlock to figure out your question |
| 23:43.33 | kbrooks | jair_11, you lie. duh |
| 23:43.35 | jair_11 | abrotman, believe me this is a very old laptop |
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| 23:43.46 | gravity | ia3264: Look at it this way. "We don't know the details." |
| 23:43.48 | abrotman | jair_11: how old is it ? |
| 23:43.50 | jair_11 | I am trying to run those commands in another machine not this one |
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| 23:43.54 | jair_11 | old |
| 23:43.54 | zorton | has anyone done a gpg keys and ssh keys on usb pen drive howto? |
| 23:43.56 | abrotman | gravity: i thought you were really old |
| 23:43.59 | Glitch_Master | Anyone else want to attempt to tackle the problem of my missing /dev/hdd? |
| 23:44.03 | gravity | ia3264: I wasn't around. apropos and man -k have always been here since I started using Linux. |
| 23:44.05 | abrotman | jair_11: Compaq luggable ? |
| 23:44.06 | jair_11 | I hava a usb device |
| 23:44.07 | gravity | abrotman: Dude, I'm 24 |
| 23:44.09 | resiak | Glitch_Master: Is it internal? |
| 23:44.12 | crazed1980 | Guys, my system is stuck at "freeing unused kernel memory" apon boot after a cold reboot. can anyone help?????????/// |
| 23:44.14 | jair_11 | IBM |
| 23:44.16 | jethro | ia3264: and i'd say the bsd -k switch is useless when there is apropos |
| 23:44.20 | abrotman | gravity: oh .. i thouhgt you were like .. 25 . like *old* |
| 23:44.29 | jair_11 | but let say that I do not have the hardware necessary |
| 23:44.30 | Glitch_Master | resiak: Yes. Of course. hdd points to the IDE port, doesn't it? |
| 23:44.34 | abrotman | jair_11: if it has USB .. it's not that old |
| 23:44.42 | gravity | heh |
| 23:44.45 | jair_11 | I do not have a pcmcia working or a card no wireless either |
| 23:44.46 | ia3264 | but you NEED man, everyone has man, you dont need apropos, theres no reason to have it when man has a flag that does the exact same thing |
| 23:44.50 | ia3264 | thats all im sayin |
| 23:44.52 | jair_11 | exacly |
| 23:45.00 | resiak | Glitch_Master: Sure ... *shrug* Sorry, I'm kinda busy atm, to be honset. |
| 23:45.00 | EvilSporkMan | ia3264: you don't need man, everyone has GNU info! |
| 23:45.03 | abrotman | jair_11: no pcmcia slots ? |
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| 23:45.07 | gravity | ia3264: I think apropos was around before man -k existed. But I don't know that, because I wasn't there |
| 23:45.18 | gravity | ia3264: I'd imagine similar reasons exist for other duplications. |
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| 23:45.24 | jair_11 | abrotman, I can download the x-windows-systmem-core.deb and the fluxbox? |
| 23:45.26 | ia3264 | but unix was aroudn before linux, i dont see why it matters, linux is a diff thing |
| 23:45.29 | jair_11 | abrotman, yes |
| 23:45.32 | oppix | LO |
| 23:45.39 | abrotman | jair_11: so why doesn't it have internet? :) |
| 23:45.45 | jair_11 | pcmcia but do you want to send me a pcmcia card? |
| 23:45.48 | p8m | ia3264: Why bother with vi when everybody has vi? :P |
| 23:45.50 | resiak | ia3264: Because people have stuff which they ran on their old UNIX boxen that they want to still use. |
| 23:45.57 | abrotman | jair_11: i dont' have anymore .. but they are cheap ... |
| 23:46.01 | Gnea | ia3264: well yeah, cuz when someone asks a question it could be any number of answers so we use the 'scientific process' to figure it out |
| 23:46.08 | jair_11 | because i do not have pccards ethernet adapters. |
| 23:46.13 | jair_11 | ok |
| 23:46.22 | mcrawfor | Hey folks, I've got mod_python working, but why don't php-scripts run? I've installed libapache2-mod-php4 and the symlinks in enabled/availble-mods look good. The execution permissions look good too, but they are offered up for download, not run.. |
| 23:46.25 | jair_11 | my friend right now all i have is the usb |
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| 23:46.30 | ia3264 | if no one really knows exactly why then shouldnt the question be explored though |
| 23:46.37 | abrotman | jair_11: IR ports!!! |
| 23:46.39 | ia3264 | instead of just goin 'i dunno' and movin on |
| 23:46.44 | jair_11 | abrotman, I can download the x and installed using the tar? |
| 23:46.48 | kbrooks | ia3264, it has been |
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| 23:47.05 | abrotman | jair_11: apt-get install x-window-system-core ? |
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| 23:47.18 | chealer | wuhu, I have my 2.6.11 stock kernel not loading vesafb at boot thanks to mkinitrd |
| 23:47.19 | ia3264 | yeah by guys who are 2000 times smarter than me and figured it out, but decided not to really tell the rest of us why they decided :p and left us to guess |
| 23:47.33 | abrotman | damn you |
| 23:47.40 | kbrooks | ia3264, and we damnation damning fucking.......fucked shall pal at you, ia3264 |
| 23:47.43 | abrotman | resiak: apt-get install gnomebaker .. does it barf? |
| 23:47.44 | kbrooks | !pal ia3264 |
| 23:47.49 | abrotman | resiak: as a user |
| 23:47.56 | abrotman | it works as root .. not as a user |
| 23:47.59 | jair_11 | apt-get install and then the name of the package.deb? |
| 23:47.59 | ia3264 | i have enough to learn without having symlinks in my head |
| 23:48.05 | resiak | abrotman: Haannnnng on. |
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| 23:48.14 | Glitch_Master | Somebody suggested unplugging the drive, rebooting (cold), plugging it back in, and rebooting (cold) again. |
| 23:48.16 | kbrooks | jair_11, no |
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| 23:48.35 | abrotman | resiak: thanks dear |
| 23:48.45 | gravity | ia3264: If you don't like it, then fix the problem |
| 23:48.54 | ia3264 | but i am just 'one man' ;) |
| 23:48.56 | gravity | ia3264: Start removing these things and see what happens. Fix the bugs. Send the patches |
| 23:49.03 | gravity | ia3264: Dude, don't be an idiot. |
| 23:49.06 | gravity | ia3264: Just start working |
| 23:49.08 | FarrisG | anybody know how to prevent famd from hogging the cpu? I've seen bug reports for over a year, but nobody seems to have come up with a fix |
| 23:49.15 | gravity | ia3264: You'll be amazed at what you can do if you stop bitching and start doing |
| 23:49.16 | resiak | abrotman: YOu want me to burn something? |
| 23:49.23 | ia3264 | my point is i want less effort and less things to do, why would i want to tackle a huge task like htat :/ |
| 23:49.31 | ia3264 | im not bitchin |
| 23:49.36 | kbrooks | ia3264, because you should |
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| 23:49.44 | ia3264 | not every question is a whine |
| 23:49.51 | kbrooks | ia3264, and you ARE bitching |
| 23:49.54 | gravity | ia3264: Because you are bitching. |
| 23:49.54 | kbrooks | !pal ia3264 |
| 23:49.55 | abrotman | resiak: no .. it just crashes for me |
| 23:50.12 | ia3264 | well im done doing whatever i was doing |
| 23:50.24 | seldon | ia3264: unix, as most things, is historically grown, and linux emulates unix. There's like a gazillion scripts out there depending on different commands that basically do the same job. |
| 23:50.30 | crazed1980 | where can i download a recue disk for my system? (2.4) |
| 23:50.35 | abrotman | resiak: it dies a horrible death!! |
| 23:50.39 | ia3264 | everytime i try to stop talkin about it someone else says somethin then i respond to it then i get labelled a bitcher |
| 23:50.39 | seldon | It's just easier keeping the old stuff around, even when it's redundant. |
| 23:50.59 | kbrooks | crazed1980, 2.4 system? there is none |
| 23:51.04 | resiak | abrotman: Runsforme, but has shitloads of stuff on STDERR |
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| 23:51.29 | crazed1980 | kbrooks: will any disk work? |
| 23:51.43 | kbrooks | crazed1980, clarification |
| 23:51.45 | ia3264 | linux sure has a lot of kernel dependant things to be an emulator of anything |
| 23:51.50 | resiak | abrotman: ...this is a nice program |
| 23:51.54 | kbrooks | crazed1980, 2.4 system? PGMI |
| 23:51.57 | resiak | abrotman: You want me to install the sid version? |
| 23:51.59 | abrotman | resiak: it dies for me as nonroot :) |
| 23:52.03 | suze | anyone here know how to acess aim? linux is not familar with me. |
| 23:52.04 | abrotman | resiak: no .. same version |
| 23:52.09 | kbrooks | please give more information |
| 23:52.10 | abrotman | suze: gaim |
| 23:52.12 | EvilSporkMan | how can i figure out the "revision" of my optical drive? there are apparently different firmwares for different drive revisions |
| 23:52.20 | crazed1980 | kbrooks: 2.4 kernel for my debian system |
| 23:52.21 | abrotman | dmesg ? |
| 23:52.36 | suze | oh yeah?! |
| 23:52.44 | resiak | abrotman: groups |
| 23:52.52 | resiak | abrotman: will dialout cdrom floppy audio dip src video staff webmaster admin plugdev |
| 23:52.52 | ia3264 | lots of aim clients for linux |
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| 23:53.00 | suze | thanks abrotman! |
| 23:53.04 | kbrooks | suze, just USE gaim |
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| 23:53.19 | kbrooks | suze, notice how gaim has aim ;) |
| 23:53.21 | suze | i know. he just told me |
| 23:53.25 | abrotman | resiak: that's a bad way to die if that's the case |
| 23:53.30 | ia3264 | laim |
| 23:53.33 | resiak | abrotman: groups? |
| 23:53.36 | suze | lol. yeah. its like duh |
| 23:53.44 | abrotman | $ groups |
| 23:53.44 | abrotman | abrotman dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev nvram |
| 23:53.48 | crazed1980 | crazed1980: my system crashed and is stuck at Freeing unused kernel memory |
| 23:54.04 | zumbi | i have experience hangs on amsn with xfce4, do you know what it could be ? gaim works fine |
| 23:54.06 | crazed1980 | kbrooks: my system crashed and is stuck at Freeing unused kernel memory |
| 23:54.10 | suze | argh. it failed to work. god hates me... |
| 23:54.16 | abrotman | suze: define failed |
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| 23:54.31 | jazzmans | !god |
| 23:54.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, god is See 'beer'. |
| 23:54.37 | suze | Failed to execute child process "Gaim" (No such file or directory) |
| 23:54.41 | Glitch_Master | Well... I'll worry about this later. :| |
| 23:54.44 | abrotman | suze: did you install it ? |
| 23:54.45 | resiak | abrotman: How does it burn? |
| 23:54.50 | resiak | !installit |
| 23:54.50 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 23:54.51 | kbrooks | suze, gaim.sf.net |
| 23:54.51 | abrotman | resiak: how does what burn? |
| 23:54.56 | abrotman | kbrooks: no no no |
| 23:55.00 | abrotman | suze: apt-get install gaim |
| 23:55.09 | kbrooks | abrotman, what |
| 23:55.09 | abrotman | idiot |
| 23:55.15 | abrotman | it's fukcing in debian .. |
| 23:55.19 | suze | i tried several times. i even have a shortcut |
| 23:55.33 | suze | there has to be an original |
| 23:55.35 | kbrooks | back |
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| 23:55.39 | abrotman | did you miss the part where suze isn't familiar with linux ? |
| 23:55.45 | kbrooks | abrotman, sorry |
| 23:55.50 | suze | lol |
| 23:55.51 | abrotman | suze: apt-get install gaim .. please make sure it's installed |
| 23:55.51 | kbrooks | suze, sorry :) |
| 23:56.01 | suze | i figured out this much, right?! |
| 23:56.03 | abrotman | heh |
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| 23:56.54 | kbrooks | suze: |
| 23:57.01 | hulu | what device name does an sata drive appear under? |
| 23:57.10 | hulu | using libata? |
| 23:57.22 | abrotman | sd* usually |
| 23:57.31 | kbrooks | 99.9 percent of every program that you want is packaged in Debian, suze |
| 23:57.58 | ia3264 | are most of you guys sysadmins for a living or just hobbiers? |
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| 23:58.06 | kbrooks | suze: apt-get install program does all the hard work for you |
| 23:58.11 | resiak | abrotman: Let me get an ISO to burn. |
| 23:58.22 | hulu | i need scsi_disk but not scsi_generic in the kernel for sata? |
