| 00:00.11 | hulu | i am seeing ata1 and ata2 initializing, and scsi0 : ata_piix in dmesg, but can't find device |
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| 00:00.18 | resiak | abrotman: Whorey Whedgehog! |
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| 00:00.45 | kbrooks | Why do you hate Ubuntu, resiak? |
| 00:00.52 | theturtle | so ummm |
| 00:00.59 | ia3264 | hes racist |
| 00:01.11 | kbrooks | ia3264, who? |
| 00:01.28 | resiak | kbrooks: I don't! I'm downloading it. |
| 00:01.30 | resiak | ia3264: ? |
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| 00:01.44 | ia3264 | jk |
| 00:01.51 | abrotman | kbrooks: because it's users tell newbies to go to gaim.sf.net to install gaim |
| 00:02.03 | abrotman | err its |
| 00:02.09 | kbrooks | abrotman, er, who's users? |
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| 00:02.15 | resiak | I was called a racist on here the other day. |
| 00:02.16 | abrotman | kbrooks: ubuntu's |
| 00:02.29 | abrotman | resiak: it dies ... |
| 00:02.30 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: who does that? |
| 00:02.30 | kbrooks | abrotman, strange of them |
| 00:02.40 | resiak | kbrooks: Aren't you an Ubuntu user? |
| 00:02.51 | resiak | kbrooks: (Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that.) |
| 00:02.51 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: kbrooks did about 2 minutes ago |
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| 00:02.57 | happybunny | any non-X people in here? |
| 00:03.01 | abrotman | happybunny: why? |
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| 00:03.06 | doub | hi all |
| 00:03.12 | happybunny | oops...wrong window, but OK. |
| 00:03.15 | elirips | hello people. is anyone in here using the fglrx-driver from ati on a gfx-board with tv-out and has made it to get the tv-out working displaying not only garbage on the tv? |
| 00:03.16 | kbrooks | resiak, I was. I still have the Ubuntu 4.10 install/live cds |
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| 00:03.21 | happybunny | curious to know how you do multiple things? |
| 00:03.23 | happybunny | screen? |
| 00:03.27 | happybunny | or mutli tty's? |
| 00:03.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:03.33 | overnout | screen |
| 00:03.35 | resiak | kbrooks: Cool. |
| 00:03.37 | Delph | both. |
| 00:03.44 | overnout | ctrl+A S |
| 00:03.51 | resiak | !polls |
| 00:03.51 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 00:03.53 | happybunny | what is S? option |
| 00:03.59 | resiak | happybunny: man screen |
| 00:04.02 | overnout | split the screen |
| 00:04.02 | resiak | happybunny: ^A ? |
| 00:04.12 | kbrooks | resiak, I believe I have the 5.04 install/live cds coming at me soon |
| 00:04.29 | happybunny | dpkg: was a prelude to a question |
| 00:04.44 | kbrooks | !bad polls |
| 00:04.44 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
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| 00:04.51 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 00:04.51 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:05.01 | resiak | kbrooks: In 2 minutes, I will do too. |
| 00:05.09 | doub | kbrooks: are you crazy? don't even mention this kind of things here ;) |
| 00:05.10 | happybunny | dpkg: again, i was in wrong irc chat |
| 00:05.15 | resiak | happybunny: He's a bot. |
| 00:05.16 | kbrooks | resiak, Do what? |
| 00:05.21 | w4rl0ck | have program for copy dvd 7.5gb in dvd 4.5 ?? |
| 00:05.27 | happybunny | can i yell at a bot? |
| 00:05.32 | resiak | kbrooks: I'm downloading the Whorey liveCD right now. |
| 00:05.35 | resiak | happybunny: Sure. He won't answer. |
| 00:05.37 | happybunny | oh no, is that apoll question? |
| 00:05.41 | suze | this process is completly insane... |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | suze: why? |
| 00:05.46 | resiak | suze: ...how? |
| 00:06.05 | abrotman | !maint gnomebaker |
| 00:06.08 | dpkg | gnomebaker: Goedson Teixeira Paixao <goedson@debian.org> |
| 00:06.08 | EvilSporkMan | w4rl0ck: google marillat |
| 00:06.32 | kbrooks | May I poll the channel? It's a general qq |
| 00:06.35 | w4rl0ck | EvilSporkMan, um thx |
| 00:06.39 | EvilSporkMan | kbrooks: that's a poll |
| 00:06.40 | happybunny | NO! no polls |
| 00:06.47 | happybunny | bot's will shut you down!!! |
| 00:06.47 | kbrooks | question that wont exclude anyone |
| 00:06.50 | happybunny | but go ahead |
| 00:06.56 | suze | i found instructions online that told me to open a terminal and type a sequence to install the program and it just doesnt work that way. |
| 00:06.56 | resiak | abrotman: BURNSFORME. |
| 00:07.11 | abrotman | resiak: doesn't even start for me |
| 00:07.14 | happybunny | suze: what program? |
| 00:07.28 | abrotman | suze: why not? |
| 00:07.31 | EvilSporkMan | suze: you should use apt (apt-get or aptitude or synaptic) to install things in debian |
| 00:07.38 | abrotman | suze: you're being fairly vague :) |
| 00:07.43 | suze | im typing into ETerm. does that make sense? |
| 00:07.45 | resiak | suze: Open a terminal. Run su, enter your password. apt-get install synaptic. Close your terminal. Synaptic is now installed. |
| 00:07.46 | kbrooks | How did you all find out about Debian? Also, was Debian your first distribution? |
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| 00:07.51 | happybunny | evil: is installing from source a bad idea? |
| 00:08.10 | kbrooks | happybunny, Yes. A very bad idea |
| 00:08.11 | EvilSporkMan | happybunny: if there are debian packages, use those unless you like breaking things. |
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| 00:08.27 | suze | i dont even have a password |
| 00:08.34 | resiak | suze: How did you insatll Debian? |
| 00:08.37 | kbrooks | aardvark, why? |
| 00:08.40 | abrotman | happybunny: use stow if you must |
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| 00:08.47 | aardvark | kbrooks: i believe someone else already said about TEH NO POLLS |
| 00:08.54 | kbrooks | abrotman, and stow is what? |
| 00:08.58 | EvilSporkMan | !slap kbrooks |
| 00:08.59 | abrotman | !stow |
| 00:08.59 | dpkg | hmm... stow is a nifty program used to manage /usr/local/ hierarchy -- it keeps all programs seperate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game |
| 00:09.06 | doub | happybunny: or checkinstall, or even dh-make |
| 00:09.08 | resiak | abrotman: Fuck. Doesn't burn for me if I turn off dummy write. |
| 00:09.12 | green_earz | suze: here a howto for a intro into apt-get http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
| 00:09.16 | kbrooks | aardvark, the poll did not leave anyone out |
| 00:09.23 | kbrooks | end of story |
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| 00:09.31 | aardvark | !troll kbrooks |
| 00:09.33 | abrotman | resiak: well ... it doesn't even start for me |
| 00:09.36 | abrotman | indeed ... he is |
| 00:09.38 | kbrooks | or did it? *wonders* |
| 00:09.40 | a_monkey | so, if my animated cursor is flickering, i add 'Option "HWCursor" "false"' to the "Device" section of my XF86Config? |
| 00:09.44 | suze | i tried installing debian from aim.com. i think that mush of not worked either... |
| 00:09.59 | abrotman | suze: yeah .. that is kind of broken .. really .. use gaim |
| 00:10.03 | abrotman | suze: how did you install debian ? |
| 00:10.10 | kbrooks | would you like me to change the topic |
| 00:10.11 | kbrooks | ? |
| 00:10.34 | kbrooks | the topic at hand. |
| 00:10.38 | abrotman | or just be quiet |
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| 00:12.31 | doub | !qotd0 |
| 00:12.31 | dpkg | * Guerin/#debian goes to pick his wife up from kindy |
| 00:12.37 | suze | i just remember being asked something about debian from aim.com. i must have misunderstood... |
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| 00:12.59 | doub | !qotd0 |
| 00:12.59 | dpkg | < galois> bethe: mutt? < bethe> bitch! |
| 00:13.23 | doub | am i specially bored, or am i missing something? |
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| 00:13.34 | abrotman | fucking stupid bugbuddy |
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| 00:14.00 | doub | !qotd0 |
| 00:14.00 | dpkg | methinks qotd45 is <Slayer_> i am at a screen with tyler@tyler-mac:~$ <Slayer_> i just rebooted <Slayer_> i need to get linux to actually come up |
| 00:14.09 | abrotman | doub: /msg ? |
| 00:14.46 | doub | abrotman: just trying to find something to talk about, but let's forget about it ;) |
| 00:14.58 | abrotman | !talk |
| 00:14.59 | dpkg | it has been said that talk is cheap because supply always exceeds demand. |
| 00:15.01 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:15.13 | abrotman | doub: how about you fix my gnomebaker ? |
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| 00:15.26 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: does he make little pastries? |
| 00:15.39 | szach | exit |
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| 00:15.40 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 00:15.40 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 00:15.59 | doub | abrotman: i am religiously not aware of anything gnome related. sorry |
| 00:16.11 | abrotman | doub: so fix kde? |
| 00:16.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:16.27 | EvilSporkMan | methinks kubuntu has kde...=P |
| 00:16.35 | doub | abrotman: not even kde. CLI rocks ;) |
| 00:16.39 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:16.46 | cthulfuego | abrotman: People with 386-es claim they don't like gGnome. They're just jealous they can't run it. |
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| 00:17.31 | doub | cthulfuego: there's a difference between being able to use something, and finding it worth the hassle |
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| 00:17.46 | abrotman | what hassle? |
| 00:17.55 | abrotman | i just blame gnomebaker |
| 00:17.58 | doub | cthulfuego: i am able to use windows, for example, but that's far from worth it |
| 00:18.17 | abrotman | which .. from what i can see .. the maintainer doesn't have a clue .. except that people with old configuratoins have issues |
| 00:18.52 | doub | i'm not talking about the free/proprietary diffrence here, just about the usefulness as an everyday tool |
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| 00:18.57 | snookmz | how can i find out what daemons/pid's are attached to the different devices? |
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| 00:19.07 | abrotman | fuser / lsof ? |
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| 00:19.41 | llahm | What is a simple cross-UN*X X terminal emulator that uses standard scan codes and allows you to set the background color? |
| 00:20.00 | subhadra | sooner or later i'll figure it out. i guess im just stupid! |
| 00:20.00 | doub | llahm: xterm ? |
| 00:20.01 | Gnea | llahm: xterm |
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| 00:20.46 | abrotman | just don't ever use Eterm .. |
| 00:20.50 | llahm | I'm having some issues with xterm's scancodes being messed up on Solaris, so I want to build a different one. |
| 00:20.53 | snookmz | abrotman: thanks, I'll look into fuser :) |
| 00:21.03 | doub | llahm: rxvt ? |
| 00:21.03 | abrotman | only total whackos use Enlightenment |
| 00:21.05 | cthulfuego | llahm: rxvt probably.as added bonus it's less ugly than xterm too. |
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| 00:21.16 | llahm | I was thinking rxvt as well. |
| 00:21.17 | subhadra | lol. so abrotman whats that website you told me to go to? |
| 00:21.22 | Delph | llahm: it's a general problem. |
| 00:21.24 | abrotman | subhadra: huh? |
| 00:21.25 | llahm | What do I do as far as background colors? |
| 00:21.32 | llahm | Delph: What is a general problem? |
| 00:21.35 | abrotman | subhadra: for what? |
| 00:21.38 | llahm | Delph: The scancodes? |
| 00:21.39 | abrotman | subhadra: suze? |
| 00:21.40 | cthulfuego | llahm: rxvt -fg white -bg blue |
| 00:21.45 | zumbi | dpkg, karma |
| 00:21.45 | dpkg | zumbi has neutral karma |
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| 00:21.51 | llahm | cthulfuego: OK, sweet. |
| 00:21.52 | Delph | llahm: aye. |
| 00:21.56 | zumbi | how do i increase the karma ? |
| 00:21.57 | llahm | cthulfuego: does -bg black work? |
| 00:22.02 | cthulfuego | llahm: of course. |
| 00:22.11 | caphuso | zumbi: you can't |
| 00:22.14 | Delph | control left and right are kinda broken in xterm. |
| 00:22.17 | cthulfuego | -bg black -fg amber! |
| 00:22.25 | Delph | and apparently not going to get fixed. |
| 00:22.31 | zumbi | could you caphuso ? |
| 00:22.38 | caphuso | zumbi: no |
| 00:22.39 | llahm | Delph: It's funny, I use the xtermc terminal type for my PuTTY screens just great, but it does not work at all in real xterm. |
| 00:22.40 | zumbi | dpkg, karma caphuso |
| 00:22.40 | dpkg | caphuso has karma of 26 |
| 00:22.43 | cthulfuego | !zumbi-- |
| 00:22.43 | subhadra | thats my real name. yeah. like susie. so i can get it to work for crying outloud. i know you all think im some sort of moron. but i'll figure it out with some help. |
| 00:22.47 | zumbi | xDD |
| 00:22.57 | cthulfuego | zumbi: asking for karma = negative karma. |
| 00:22.58 | abrotman | subhadra: apt-get install gaim .. what is the error you get? |
| 00:22.59 | llahm | Delph: Home / End and PgUp / PgDn are dain bramaged. |
| 00:23.06 | mwilson | Is that all? |
| 00:23.23 | zumbi | cthulfuego, no! i have neutral |
| 00:23.30 | zumbi | dpkg, karma |
| 00:23.30 | dpkg | zumbi has neutral karma |
| 00:23.30 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 00:23.34 | mwilson | You mean they don't do what you expect them to do in whatever shell you're running inside the xterm, right? |
| 00:23.36 | abrotman | oh .. he doesn't do negatives |
| 00:23.41 | caphuso | !zumbi++ |
| 00:23.44 | caphuso | !karma zumbi |
| 00:23.44 | dpkg | zumbi has karma of 1 |
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| 00:23.51 | Delph | mwilson: aye. |
| 00:23.53 | cthulfuego | abrotman: he should, perhaps karma is just disabled. |
| 00:23.59 | zumbi | thanks, i see |
| 00:24.01 | caphuso | so, is everyone happy now? |
| 00:24.01 | abrotman | cthulfuego: it's not |
| 00:24.04 | llahm | mwilson: correct, but the same entries work on other xterm-mode terminals |
| 00:24.08 | cthulfuego | stupid dondelelcaro |
| 00:24.13 | subhadra | nono. that hasnt failed me. i was in the process of deciphering what you told me and disconnected myself somehow in the process |
| 00:24.20 | ia3264 | are most of you guys sysadmins for a living or just hobbiers? |
| 00:24.23 | ia3264 | woops |
| 00:24.27 | llahm | mwilson: so i thought i'd try rxvt to eliminate xterm as a point of failure and move on from there |
| 00:24.39 | abrotman | subhadra: so what happens when you run gaim ? |
| 00:24.40 | zumbi | i am a hobbier |
| 00:24.41 | llahm | mwilson: it was just the first most obvious thing to try changing |
| 00:24.47 | abrotman | toresbe: you told me you were 12 last week |
| 00:24.55 | nevyn | ia3264: my ass says 50/50 but that's just a number pulled out of my ass. |
| 00:24.58 | cthulfuego | toresbe: i had a joib well before I was 17. lazy bastard. |
| 00:25.07 | ia3264 | i had a job when i was 12 |
| 00:25.07 | toresbe | abrotman: that was cause we were cybering |
| 00:25.16 | doub | is it the poll night? (or day, for that matter) |
| 00:25.24 | abrotman | toresbe: right .. |
| 00:25.26 | mwilson | llahm: Yes, certainly... replacing the entire terminal emulator rather than configuring xterm to behave the way you want is definately the better course. |
| 00:25.27 | subhadra | basically i have a shortcut giving the impression it must have already existed at some point and then tells me that it doesnt exist |
| 00:25.28 | toresbe | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:25.29 | cthulfuego | doub: Yes. ++sunday++ |
| 00:25.31 | abrotman | doub: that's a poll |
| 00:25.49 | abrotman | subhadra: open a term . and just type `gaim` .. and see whta happens |
| 00:25.51 | ia3264 | kids need jobs when their parents only wanna give them 5$ a week allowances :| |
| 00:25.54 | toresbe | cthulfuego: I do FOSS work for debian-edu |
| 00:26.08 | FieldySnuts | a work ethic is good. working yourself to death isn't. |
| 00:26.23 | doub | cthulfuego: is it still sunday somewhere in the word? |
| 00:26.30 | llahm | mwilson: Perhaps it's not the best method but it was the first idea I had and it hardly hurts to try it. |
| 00:26.40 | ia3264 | working yourself to death is dumb since you're dead at 40 when you coulda worked another 40 years just by takin certain precautions |
| 00:26.43 | One | dpkg, faq |
| 00:26.43 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 00:26.46 | toresbe | ia3264: Well, my parents give me zero allowance and I still get by. :P |
| 00:26.48 | subhadra | woah. it was there the whole time. i just used eterm incorrectly. |
| 00:26.49 | zumbi | doub, here is tuesday |
| 00:26.58 | doub | zumbi: here too |
| 00:26.59 | ia3264 | toresbe, you must shop lift |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | er,m? |
| 00:27.22 | ia3264 | dont be ashamed theres honor in theft :/ |
| 00:27.23 | toresbe | ia3264: ---but my orphanage gives me around 30 bucks a week :P |
| 00:27.28 | doub | [OT] just a doubt, the max. time shift on earth is 24h, right? |
| 00:27.28 | abrotman | toresbe: yay taxes :) |
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| 00:27.44 | toresbe | abrotman: indeed ^_^ |
| 00:27.48 | toresbe | hehe |
| 00:27.52 | abrotman | doub: except on solsctice days |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | err .. is that equinox days |
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| 00:28.27 | jack | join #knoppix |
| 00:28.39 | cthulfuego | wheee |
| 00:28.43 | toresbe | abrotman: the SUV |
| 00:28.53 | cthulfuego | doub: No, hence the double set of '++' |
| 00:29.42 | abrotman | err .. var2 = --var++ |
| 00:29.50 | zumbi | toresbe, what is a SUV ? is it a vehicule ? |
| 00:29.56 | toresbe | abrotman: would ++var++ increment it twice? |
| 00:30.00 | cthulfuego | abrotman: As opposed to var2 -= var++ |
| 00:30.03 | ia3264 | its what lesbians drive in the united states |
| 00:30.05 | toresbe | zumbi: It's an atrocity. |
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| 00:30.09 | doub | good night everybody |
| 00:30.30 | zumbi | ah! ok |
| 00:30.34 | cthulfuego | toresbe: Yes, but if called inline in aprintf statement, it would increment it once first, then print, then increment again |
| 00:30.42 | ia3264 | suvs are like station wagons that men like too |
| 00:30.46 | hulu | so under libata sata drives will show up as sda ? |
| 00:30.53 | toresbe | cthulfuego: yeah, both pre- and post-increment |
| 00:30.58 | ia3264 | if you're girl talks you tino gettin a suv its because she wants kids |
| 00:31.01 | subhadra | thanks abrotman |
| 00:31.04 | abrotman | toresbe: post increment vs pre increment |
| 00:31.08 | FieldySnuts | @troll ia3264 |
| 00:31.12 | zumbi | i read at wordnet: SUV: a high-performance four-wheel drive car built on a truck chassis |
| 00:31.13 | Hydroxide | hulu: I think it's more about which kernel version you use ... I think it changed in 2.6.8 or 2.6.9 |
| 00:31.20 | ia3264 | am not :( |
| 00:31.21 | cthulfuego | ia3264: people want SUVs because they're retarded, not because they want to breed. |
| 00:31.21 | hulu | 2.6.11 |
| 00:31.28 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: all night long |
| 00:31.33 | toresbe | zumbi: But some stupid Americans buy it to get around big cities to feel adequate |
| 00:31.35 | FieldySnuts | cthulfuego: male phallus replacement |
| 00:31.37 | ia3264 | first thing retarded people do is breed |
| 00:31.47 | Hydroxide | hulu: you mean that's what you're using? well, yeah, that's after the change |
| 00:31.50 | FieldySnuts | well i guess male phallus is redundant |
| 00:31.52 | abrotman | ia3264: so how many kids do you have ? |
| 00:31.52 | hulu | i need to know because in my bios sata is always primary and when i install it i have to get fstab right... |
| 00:31.56 | ia3264 | 0 |
| 00:32.07 | hulu | hydroxide, no, i need to know what it will be |
| 00:32.08 | abrotman | wow .. retard without kids ... shocking |
| 00:32.20 | Hydroxide | hulu: with 2.6.11 it looks like it's sda |
| 00:32.25 | zumbi | i ride the bus and the subway |
| 00:32.25 | ia3264 | would get in my way of special olympics dreams |
| 00:32.29 | Hydroxide | hulu: I don't think it has anything to do with library versions, though |
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| 00:32.55 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 00:33.12 | ia3264 | the short subway? |
| 00:33.25 | hulu | Hydroxide: oh crap, i can't run lilo on the target disk under knoppix because it uses old sata driver |
| 00:33.26 | zumbi | ia3264, not so shrt |
| 00:33.32 | llahm | toresbe: Traditionally, you will find that the use of more than one side effect operation in C within one expression often results in undefined behavior. |
| 00:33.43 | jack | anyone using crossoveroffice 4.0 here? |
| 00:33.44 | hulu | Hydroxide: oh, wait, i guess i can, just use root and boot with hde then... |
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| 00:34.03 | llahm | toresbe: Furthermore, undefined behavior, when encountered, propagates to the entire statement in which it occurs. |
| 00:34.08 | jack | it says something about unable to convert C://windows to UNIX path, when I try to run it |
| 00:34.10 | subhadra | i love vegan cocoa cake. mmmm... |
| 00:34.14 | jack | how did u get it working? |
| 00:34.17 | ia3264 | whats crossoveroffice? lets your dead relatives use office remotely on your computer? |
| 00:34.36 | toresbe | llahm: aha |
| 00:34.38 | hackeron | errr, my keyboard repeat just stopped working (as in if I hold a botton, it no longer gets repeated) any ideas? |
| 00:34.45 | zumbi | some of you have experience on embedded systems ? (processors without MMU) |
| 00:34.46 | toresbe | llahm: So it's Undefined (tm) |
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| 00:35.12 | llahm | toresbe: I can't swear to it because I don't have the ANSI C standard, but there it a good chance that it is. |
| 00:35.22 | jack | it lets you run windows software on linux |
| 00:35.29 | llahm | toresbe: Perhaps GCC will warn about this situation but I'm not sure. |
| 00:35.37 | ia3264 | is gcc c99 |
| 00:35.39 | toresbe | okay |
| 00:35.48 | toresbe | ia3264: sort of |
| 00:35.53 | llahm | ia3264: mostly |
| 00:36.02 | ia3264 | kinda pregnant? |
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| 00:36.25 | toresbe | ia3264: No, sort of c99, not pregnant |
| 00:37.02 | llahm | ia3264: http://gcc.gnu.org/c99status.html |
| 00:37.02 | toresbe | ia3264: We're talking about a compiler, not a female |
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| 00:37.02 | ia3264 | we're geeks here. compiler is my wife |
| 00:37.25 | abrotman | right ... |
| 00:37.25 | zumbi | crosscompilers are my brothers |
| 00:37.34 | FieldySnuts | mighty strange here tonight |
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| 00:37.38 | pppp | hi all |
| 00:37.46 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: too many trolls |
| 00:37.54 | ia3264 | hello point to point to point protocol |
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| 00:38.03 | toresbe | hehe |
| 00:38.05 | zumbi | trolls in the dark ! |
| 00:38.07 | pppp | is there any way to limit access to my ssh by arp ? |
| 00:38.23 | FieldySnuts | no, because ssh doesn't operate at that level (I assume you mean MAC) |
| 00:38.24 | zumbi | SSH is an IP protocol, ARP is not |
| 00:38.29 | shingouz | way weird. i have been listening to you all for hours and you even outweird me tonight ;) |
| 00:38.45 | toresbe | shingouz: Yes. It is a wierd competition |
| 00:38.50 | shingouz | very |
| 00:39.05 | FieldySnuts | pppp: I do think there are iptables modules that can filter by MAC however |
| 00:39.06 | zumbi | pppp, but you can cipher you IP trafic with IPSec |
| 00:39.11 | llahm | mwilson: Interestingly, rxvt does not have the same problem as xterm. |
| 00:39.26 | seldon | Im still trying to get the hang of this compiler relationship business... |
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| 00:39.49 | llahm | seldon: I don't think it makes sense unless you have a crack pipe handy. |
| 00:39.51 | seldon | So, if a compiler is your wife, then your program is your kid, which makes the crosscompiler its uncle? |
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| 00:40.12 | ia3264 | interpreter is your mistress |
| 00:40.22 | seldon | And is it gay incest when you use a cross compiler? |
| 00:40.32 | FieldySnuts | geez, can we please clean up the trolls |
| 00:40.39 | zumbi | no, you just have cousins |
| 00:40.41 | slappy15 | no, its cross dressing |
| 00:40.44 | ia3264 | not if you just deal with headers |
| 00:40.58 | slappy15 | its binaries in drag |
| 00:40.59 | pppp | i heard that we can by arp -f /etc/ethers |
| 00:41.04 | pppp | but iwant details |
| 00:41.09 | shingouz | this is #debian not #kinkyNixStuff |
| 00:41.10 | rixth_afk | Which mp3 player would I be wanting in terms of size (20gb+) battery life and Linux compatibility? (As in it shows up as a usb disk)? |
| 00:41.16 | seldon | Also, I don't think a cross compiler can be your brother, since you can also produce programs (i.e. kids) with a cross compiler |
| 00:41.19 | FieldySnuts | i already suggested a way, don't feel like repeatin |
| 00:41.21 | ia3264 | not xmms |
| 00:41.34 | ia3264 | i like mpg321 |
| 00:41.34 | seldon | This is _way_ weird. |
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| 00:41.43 | Vivaldi | hello |
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| 00:41.49 | jetdotnet | the cross compiler is your cross dressing mother |
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| 00:41.52 | green_earz | pppp, to restrict user you could use AllowUsers in ssh config |
| 00:42.00 | zumbi | rixth_afk, linuxdevices.org/com ? |
| 00:42.07 | Vivaldi | is sarge the testing release of debian? |
| 00:42.13 | ia3264 | our founding fathers cross dressed |
| 00:42.17 | ia3264 | dont knock it till you tried it |
| 00:42.20 | seldon | I'm wondering what happens when you cross-compile a cross-compiler, though... |
| 00:42.21 | ia3264 | Vivaldi, yes |
| 00:42.42 | ia3264 | jurassic park |
| 00:42.52 | rixth_afk | zumbi, thanks |
| 00:43.00 | zumbi | np |
| 00:43.00 | abrotman | ia3264: stop |
| 00:43.02 | Vivaldi | ok, i have a series of cds to download from sarge-1 to sarge-10. how many of the i need to install a basic system with x, gcc ? |
| 00:43.05 | EvilSporkMan | do i have to rerun /etc/init.d/hotplug start to get hotplug to pick up a USB device, or should it do this automatically? |
| 00:43.14 | abrotman | Vivaldi: just the first one really |
| 00:43.19 | Vivaldi | ok thanks |
| 00:43.26 | seldon | EvilSporkMan: It does that automatically. That's what it's for. |
| 00:43.27 | abrotman | Vivaldi: wait .. you already downloaded them |
| 00:43.28 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:43.33 | abrotman | Vivaldi: or you're preparing to? |
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| 00:43.39 | EvilSporkMan | seldon: that's what i thought... |
| 00:43.47 | Vivaldi | abrotman, i am preparing to install debian testing |
| 00:43.49 | zumbi | Vivaldi, you also have the netinstaller |
| 00:43.53 | Vivaldi | abrotman, i am preparing to download |
| 00:43.57 | abrotman | Vivaldi: but you've not downloaded anyhting yet? |
| 00:43.58 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 00:44.04 | abrotman | Vivaldi: you have broadband ? |
| 00:44.08 | EvilSporkMan | i can't get tilp to work properly even after reading README.debian for libticables3 - it complains about not being able to connect to the calcuator and claims i need to be in group root |
| 00:44.13 | Vivaldi | abrotman, what is it? |
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| 00:44.25 | abrotman | Vivaldi: broadband .. like DSL/T1/Cable .. faster than dialup :) |
| 00:44.33 | seldon | You need to have the proper modules loaded, though. Usually, those are ehci_hcd and usb-storage, possibly uhci_hcd or ohci_hcd, if you're using usb 1 drives |
| 00:44.34 | Vivaldi | abrotman, ohh..yes |
| 00:44.39 | abrotman | !d-i Vivaldi |
| 00:44.39 | Epix | Can i get some help with Ndiswrapper? |
| 00:44.40 | dpkg | Vivaldi, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:44.54 | Epix | i mod-probed it now what? |
| 00:45.00 | abrotman | Vivaldi: that is a 105MB image .. much better .. only installs what you need instead of 14 CDs or whatever it is now |
| 00:45.06 | Epix | i have a usb wireless card |
| 00:45.23 | Vivaldi | abrotman, ok many thanks |
| 00:45.26 | zumbi | then configure your ip and gateway |
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| 00:45.53 | zumbi | Epix is the card up ? |
| 00:46.00 | pwned | I used debian sarge netinstall, it worked good with the linux26 option. (drivers are newer) |
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| 00:46.32 | mitrick | hello all i need your help as much as u can. |
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| 00:46.34 | zumbi | pwned is a exploit, isn't it ? |
| 00:46.38 | Epix | zumbi: i dont think so. the only thing it could be is sit0 |
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| 00:46.48 | tren | drac: hi, alive ?:) |
| 00:46.54 | mitrick | i just installed debian net install rc3 installer(sarge i think). |
| 00:46.58 | drac | tren: yup |
| 00:47.04 | abrotman | mitrick: one line if you can |
| 00:47.05 | zumbi | Epix, what does it says # iwconfig ? |
| 00:47.12 | EvilSporkMan | i think the problem is hotplug not noticing i've plugged in the calc |
| 00:47.33 | tren | drac: we were yesterday talking about 2.6.x and swap, do you remember ? |
| 00:47.57 | Epix | zumbi: sit0 No wireless extentions. |
| 00:48.09 | Epix | zumbi: same with all other devices (lo and eth0) |
| 00:48.14 | cthulfuego | Epix: wireless will be ethX, athX or wlanX |
| 00:48.26 | Epix | lol wireless lo |
| 00:48.28 | drac | tren: hmm, yes |
| 00:48.28 | zumbi | cthulfuego, i have raX too |
| 00:48.33 | abrotman | mitrick: did you disappear ? |
| 00:48.36 | Epix | zumbi: so what now |
| 00:48.37 | mitrick | i cant get X work with nvidia drivers, says about modules, all my apps are not updated. i need xorg and here its old xfree 4.3. what to do now? to have X with nvidia drivers working, boot 2.6.11 and have everything working, and net and sound too? |
| 00:48.37 | drac | tren: got your issues fixed? |
| 00:48.50 | cthulfuego | zumbi: Ah yes, yet another non-standard driver *rolls eyes* |
| 00:48.51 | Vivaldi | does sarge support linux-2.6? |
| 00:48.56 | cthulfuego | Vivaldi: yes |
| 00:48.56 | rixth_afk | Which mp3 player would I be wanting in terms of size (20gb+) battery life and Linux compatibility? (As in it shows up as a usb disk)? (Linux devices is out dated and doesn't really have any listed) |
| 00:49.05 | zumbi | cthulfuego, it works fine |
| 00:49.08 | pwned | Vivaldi: yes, up to 2.6.8 |
| 00:49.08 | cthulfuego | rixth_afk: iPod |
| 00:49.11 | mitrick | right now im in BitchX in console cuz no X |
| 00:49.18 | rixth_afk | cthulfuego, Eugh. |
| 00:49.20 | cthulfuego | zumbi: I never claimed it wouldn't. |
| 00:49.24 | drac | this 'ccode' is whining a shell in private, for psybnc. |
| 00:49.29 | abrotman | mitrick: you don't need xorg |
| 00:49.34 | ia3264 | is there a command to kill X besides 'kill -9'ing its pid? |
| 00:49.41 | pwned | mitrick: x.org is not in sarge. And newer is not always better |
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| 00:49.45 | cthulfuego | ia3264: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 00:49.47 | mitrick | why not its the latest and good X server that is stable. |
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| 00:49.53 | zumbi | Epix, # lsmod |
| 00:49.55 | abrotman | mitrick: /topic |
| 00:50.04 | tren | drac: no :-( I did too many compilation of kernel, but never used swap (only with 2.6.8 .. with 2.6.10 and higher no swap used:( you run 2.6.11.7 in sarge or sid ? |
| 00:50.11 | cthulfuego | abrotman: How about mostly satisfied user? |
| 00:50.12 | ia3264 | cthulfuego, ah thanks :) |
| 00:50.26 | drac | tren: sarge on server, sid on desktop |
| 00:50.27 | zumbi | ia3264, # /etc/init.d/xdm/gdm/kdm stop |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | cthulfuego: well .. someone with more nvidia experience than me to help mitrick |
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| 00:50.36 | drac | tren: 2.6.11.6-hdr was from server .. |
| 00:50.38 | rixth_afk | cthulfuego, I said bettery life :) |
| 00:50.43 | mitrick | so ok ill stay with xfree 4.3 but i need latest nvidia drivers working |
| 00:50.43 | ia3264 | zumbi thanks too thast what i really needed |
| 00:50.47 | Epix | zumbi: what am i looking for... im IRCing on a diferent comp. |
| 00:50.55 | stew | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:50.55 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. see <non-free sources> |
| 00:50.56 | cthulfuego | mitrick: So install and use them. |
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| 00:51.01 | _Trintity_ | Hello world |
| 00:51.07 | zumbi | look for the driver that is loaded |
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| 00:51.27 | cthulfuego | abrotman: Oh... I don't help people with that anymore. Reading docs is SO hard. I managed to get them working in ONE go! |
| 00:51.34 | abrotman | hah |
| 00:51.35 | Epix | zumbi: its there. its also used by usbcore |
| 00:51.41 | thorie | im having trouble booting my debian box... when it starts, it says "LI" and then it's frozen... the rest of LILO is missing and nothing is happening... can someone help me? |
| 00:51.48 | abrotman | !li |
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| 00:51.48 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 00:51.52 | tren | drac: could you show me your 2.6.11.6-hdr one again plz..I deleted it in hurry :( |
| 00:51.52 | rixth_afk | Come on guys, mp3 player, linux compatible, 20gb+, good battery life. There must be one? |
| 00:51.55 | cthulfuego | abrotman: So people claiming issues are invariably lazy. |
| 00:52.01 | cthulfuego | rixth_afk: I told you. |
| 00:52.11 | cthulfuego | rixth_afk: if you don't like the answer, don't ask the question. |
| 00:52.23 | thorie | how do i add lba32? |
| 00:52.25 | abrotman | cthulfuego: in #debian ... never |
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| 00:52.39 | rixth_afk | cthulfuego, iPod's have horrible battery life. Creative's Zen get's 24 hours but it's headphone jack is suspcectable. |
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| 00:53.01 | zumbi | Epix... then bring up the wireless card |
| 00:53.04 | cthulfuego | rixth_afk: The ones all my friends have seem to be fine, battery-wise. |
| 00:53.15 | Epix | zumbi: its not in ifconfig -a |
| 00:53.17 | rixth_afk | cthulfuego, you get what? 8 hours? |
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| 00:53.28 | foo | err, I just installed debian sarge and X is not playing nice. X has crashed about 4 times now, 3 with gnome, and once with kde... any ideas? Ah, it just did it in failsafe.. |
| 00:53.30 | cthulfuego | rixth_afk: No idea, I've never heard them complain. |
| 00:53.37 | ia3264 | 8 hrs is good, my crappy creative nomad gets like 1 hour |
| 00:53.41 | zumbi | Epix, well ifconfig reads /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:53.53 | caphuso | zumbi: no, it doesn't. ifup does |
| 00:54.01 | drac | tren: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~sasuomin/config-2.6.11.6-hdr (-hdr is just a name, it has no patches) |
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| 00:54.13 | zumbi | ok, you are right caphuso ! my mistake |
| 00:54.30 | tren | drac: ok, thnx much |
| 00:55.01 | Epix | zumbi: so mod that" |
| 00:55.02 | Epix | " |
| 00:55.03 | green_earz | foo: have you got the right refresh rates set up for the monitor ? |
| 00:55.04 | Epix | ? |
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| 00:55.39 | zumbi | Epix: cat /proc/net/wireless |
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| 00:56.22 | Epix | zumbi: one sec i found something useful on google |
| 00:56.30 | zumbi | ok |
| 00:56.57 | foo | green_earz: Never configured them. Had it on auto-detect IIRC. It worked fine with other distro's, though |
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| 00:57.56 | rixth | Come on guys, mp3 player, linux compatible, 20gb+, good battery life. There must be one? (That is not an iPod, god I hate fan boys) like the ones who go on Amazon and rate other play's one star and say "iPods are better". |
| 00:58.09 | green_earz | foo: its worth checking them dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:58.12 | evad[] | iRiver |
| 00:58.15 | gravity | But they're a little wonky |
| 00:58.23 | evad[] | creative zen's apparently work with linux as well |
| 00:58.33 | gravity | I've heard great things about the creative zen |
| 00:58.33 | foo | green_earz: hmm, ok. How do I know what the refresh rate is? It's an old monitor ... just google, I suppose ? |
| 00:58.38 | dorkbutt | I caved and bought a shuffle :( |
| 00:58.44 | zumbi | rixth, have you heard about Tivo, it also plays movies and records it |
| 00:58.57 | rixth | evad[], yeah, and they get 24 hours battery, but they are really unreliable. |
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| 00:59.04 | tren | drac: do you use initrd / |
| 00:59.04 | jcuk | how do i take a screenshot in debian? |
| 00:59.05 | rixth | zumbi, no Tivo in New Zealand :) |
| 00:59.07 | tren | drac: ? |
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| 00:59.17 | evad[] | rixth: the zen or the iRiver? |
| 00:59.19 | green_earz | foo: yes google |
| 00:59.24 | rixth | jcuk, Gnome Menu -> Take Screenshot |
| 00:59.28 | jcuk | kde.. |
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| 00:59.34 | jcuk | isnt there a console cmd i can do? |
| 00:59.35 | drac | tren: no I don't. |
| 00:59.47 | cthulfuego | The thing about all those non-apple players is that their UI/controls are all horribly shit. |
| 00:59.47 | EvilSporkMan | i cannot get tilp set up properly - i have added myself to the tilp group and restarted my xsession and done all the hotplug stuff in the libticables3 readme. can I have some assistance please? |
| 00:59.50 | rixth | evad[], I can only say that for the Zen Touch (it's the only one I've read reviews about) |
| 00:59.52 | Epix | zumbi: not much of intrest in that file |
| 00:59.57 | beardy | jcuk: scrot (I think that's the name..) |
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| 01:00.13 | Azuriel | jcuk, if you have ImageMagick installed, import screenshot.png |
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| 01:00.20 | cthulfuego | jcuk: apt-get install imagamagick; import -window root foo.png |
| 01:00.25 | evad[] | rixth: my mate has a zen touch and he uses debian and has had no problems with it |
| 01:00.27 | jcuk | k |
| 01:00.48 | beardy | jcuk: If you have gimp installed you can use that. |
| 01:00.56 | jcuk | k |
| 01:00.58 | drac | jcuk: There is also better.. apt-get install scrot, scrot (SCReen shOT) |
| 01:01.08 | green_earz | foo: you could run a knoppix and have a look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to see what it says for the refresh rates |
| 01:01.24 | zumbi | Epix: in /proc/net/wireless is listed the interface |
| 01:01.29 | rixth | evad[], But about 50% of them need to be returned to Creative, I'll be buying it in the US and bringing it back to NZ so I don't wnt to have to do that. My little TDK Mojo served me well, but it's too small. |
| 01:01.33 | foo | green_earz: Could I just copy the XF86Config file ? |
| 01:02.15 | Epix | zumbi: no |
| 01:02.35 | EvilSporkMan | i also can't even use tilp as root - it claims "device or resource busy" |
| 01:02.38 | green_earz | foo: no just the info for the refresh rate then on debian run dpkg-reconfigure for xserver |
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| 01:02.50 | foo | ah, ok |
| 01:03.33 | zumbi | then Epix i have not much idea.. try # wavemon to see if you have signal |
| 01:03.40 | zumbi | i am not any guru :-/ |
| 01:04.20 | Epix | zumbi: no such thing... |
| 01:04.37 | zumbi | is a program you might have to install it |
| 01:04.49 | rixth | The Creative NOMAD is a cheap iPod knockoff, and everyone knows this. Why buy this garbage when the iPod is better? The Apple iPod has everything you want in an MP3 player: easy click wheel, great sound quality, and you can store up to 1,000, 5,000, 7,500, or 15,000 tunes! PC and Mac. Easy to install. Stylish white earbud headphones. And affordable prices that can't be beat. Don't fall for the Creative NOMAD. It's no match for the Apple |
| 01:04.49 | rixth | iPod, which is THE definitive MP3 player in the market. << That fuck has posted on EVERY Creative product. Fuckhead fanboy |
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| 01:05.04 | zumbi | i think your wireless network is not working |
| 01:05.06 | ia3264 | nomads were out before ipods werent they |
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| 01:06.14 | Epix | zumbi: what do i do after modding /etc/network/interfaces to bring them up? |
| 01:06.20 | Epix | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.28 | cthulfuego | rixth: Don't let a single misguided fanboy put you off the superior products <heh> |
| 01:06.32 | dvs | Epix: invoke-rc.d networking restart |
| 01:06.54 | zumbi | Epix, ifup -a |
| 01:06.59 | EvilSporkMan | no one can help with tilp? |
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| 01:07.19 | zumbi | epix what wireless card do you have ? |
| 01:07.26 | rixth | cthulfuego, There's actually about 5 like that :( People are such assholes. |
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| 01:07.30 | cyklus | What editor/ide do you recommend for developing PHP code? |
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| 01:07.51 | ia3264 | vim |
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| 01:08.02 | cthulfuego | rixth: I've seen a few reviews on TV where they compared useability, connectivity etc. |
| 01:08.08 | Epix | zumbi: the Netgear WG111 |
| 01:08.11 | rixth | Gah. The massive uptake in broadband in NZ has taken the submarine cable out of NZ to the max. The whole of NZ has run out of bandwidth. |
| 01:08.24 | cthulfuego | rixth: The iPod won all of them, and the review overall. |
| 01:08.50 | ia3264 | i trust apple more than i trust creative for quality hardware |
| 01:09.16 | rixth | cthulfuego, I'm not saying I wouldn't buy an iPod, but I'd prefer not to. They are $50 more expensive ($80 NZD), and poor battery life, then you have to pay apple $99 to get it replaces after a year or so. |
| 01:09.17 | cthulfuego | ia3264: if you want a quality one, go talk to Bang & Olufsen ;-) |
| 01:09.33 | Epix | zumbi: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25387.html im trying that. but it wont bring up the interface wlan0 saying: error while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 01:09.50 | ia3264 | i dont want to spend more than 130$ on one though sinec its going to be in my pocket and i ride a bike a lot and fall down alot :) |
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| 01:10.06 | tsume | if anyone gets a message from any other bots asking for shell, just msg #freenode, or msg me and I'll proxy it to #freenode |
| 01:10.15 | cthulfuego | Epix: Well, then you don't have a wlan0 device. It *must* show up in 'ifconfig -a' first. |
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| 01:10.46 | cthulfuego | tsume: Just forward the bots to the appropriate channel. |
| 01:10.48 | Epix | cthulfuego: it doesnt! how do i make it! |
| 01:11.03 | cthulfuego | Epix: Load the correct driver. |
| 01:11.12 | tsume | cthulfuego: just performing some anti-noise announcements |
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| 01:11.21 | Epix | cthulfuego: i did, if you look at that page i loaded the ndiswrapper driver |
| 01:11.36 | gravity | ugh... gmail doesn't accept .zip attachments at all |
| 01:11.43 | cthulfuego | Epix: And it clearly didn't detect the device, or it would show up. |
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| 01:12.00 | ia3264 | gravity, did for me |
| 01:12.16 | gravity | ia3264: Maybe it's a new thing |
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| 01:12.30 | ia3264 | thatd be pretty lame if it didnt |
| 01:12.31 | cthulfuego | gravity: maybe your zip has a virus attached |
| 01:12.44 | gravity | cthulfuego: Yeah. That's it. |
| 01:13.03 | gravity | My zip file of the gnuplot examples has a virus |
| 01:13.24 | cthulfuego | gravity: gnuplot IS a virus! |
| 01:13.37 | gravity | heh |
| 01:14.07 | Epix | cthulfuego: ok, the device is a netgear WG111, please help me find the driver |
| 01:14.21 | dvs | ndis-wrapper |
| 01:14.28 | cyklus | What editor/ide do you recommend for developing PHP code? |
| 01:14.35 | Epix | dvs: with the-? |
| 01:14.38 | evad[] | vim ;) |
| 01:14.41 | gravity | cyklus: Whatever editor you like. |
| 01:14.46 | zumbi | Epix: do you have the auto wlan0 at /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 01:14.54 | gravity | i.e. vim or emacs |
| 01:15.06 | Epix | zumbi: yes, at the end |
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| 01:16.07 | zumbi | Epix, well, try to load the correct driver |
| 01:16.23 | Epix | cyklus: well, if you want a simple plain editor use nano, if you want more use vim, if you like remembering copipious amounts of keybindings, use emacs |
| 01:16.37 | Epix | zumbi: i think i did. |
| 01:16.50 | Epix | dvs: do you have this card? |
| 01:17.06 | dvs | Epix: No but it sounds like a wireless card. |
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| 01:17.27 | dvs | Epix: and they mostly have to use the ndiswrapper-utils to get those running. |
| 01:17.29 | Epix | dvs: it is. |
| 01:17.47 | Epix | dvs: i have seen sites that say that. but the driver doesnt help@ |
| 01:17.49 | Epix | ! |
| 01:18.47 | EvilSporkMan | how do I teach apt/dpkg something? |
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| 01:18.54 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:19.04 | Vin | I recently switched from Slackware to Debian, and I'm having an issue with proftp ( No certificate files found! ) I was wondering if someone could point me to somewhere that could help me resolve this issue |
| 01:19.08 | EvilSporkMan | there's an important step missing from a package's readme that makes it appear really broken |
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| 01:20.18 | EvilSporkMan | never mind, bug reporting it |
| 01:20.22 | Epix | dvs: i have modprobbed that module but it doesnt make it show up |
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| 01:22.09 | tren | drac: I've loaded your config with 3 changes for my CPU,MB,NIC ..compiled, rebooted, do test and no swap space used :-( |
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| 01:22.47 | Epix | AHH! why wont it work |
| 01:22.48 | bob2 | Vin: are you trying to use ssl? |
| 01:22.57 | Vin | No |
| 01:22.59 | Epix | ive used the ndiswrapper module |
| 01:23.04 | Epix | but no go |
| 01:23.13 | Epix | or i cant see it go |
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| 01:23.20 | Epix | its not in ifconfig -a |
| 01:23.21 | Vin | I did apt-get install proftpd and that error occurred from the start |
| 01:23.24 | zumbi | Epix, what i would do is: download ftp://downloads.netgear.com/files/wg111_2_1.zip, then install ndiswrapper, and read documentation for loading the driver. And it must be there, the wireless card interface. |
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| 01:23.51 | bonez39 | I am trying to help a neighbor...with her winxphome machine... |
| 01:24.00 | Vin | I tried using the conf from the installation I had on the slackware machine as well, because I didn't use SSL with that either, and I keep getting that error. |
| 01:24.01 | dvs | !lart bonez39 |
| 01:24.02 | bonez39 | she can't boot after rolling it back with 'system restore'... |
| 01:24.09 | bonez39 | dvs, thanks, I needed that |
| 01:24.17 | Epix | zumbi: what do i want from that zip? |
| 01:24.23 | Vin | I've tried generating SSL certificates and sticking them in a few places to see if that resolved it, but still no go |
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| 01:25.08 | zumbi | Epix, that's the netgear driver for your card |
| 01:25.21 | zumbi | you need it to feed ndiswrapper |
| 01:25.23 | Epix | zumbi: but what do i do with the thing... |
| 01:25.33 | Epix | zumbi: how do i feed iot |
| 01:25.40 | bonez39 | dvs, so? any suggestions? |
| 01:25.41 | zumbi | read documentation on ndiswrapper |
| 01:25.52 | zumbi | man ndsiwrapper |
| 01:25.53 | dvs | bonez39: Nope, I don't do windows |
| 01:26.04 | zumbi | less /usr/share/doc/ndsiwrapper |
| 01:26.22 | zumbi | less /usr/share/doc/ndsiwrapper/README or something similar |
| 01:26.33 | bonez39 | dvs, I am tempted to take over my debian install diskettes and reform her computer..;) |
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| 01:28.40 | Epix | zumbi: not rhwew |
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| 01:29.13 | rixth | Well that was weird. In about 2 seconds my memory went from 100% in use, 50 in cache, then to 100% inuse 5% cahe then dropped down to 40% in use 10% in cahce. Wtf? |
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| 01:30.45 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:30.45 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 01:31.06 | foo | apt-get moo |
| 01:31.09 | cthulfuego | Vin: Remove the SSL directive from the config file. |
| 01:31.34 | ccode | hack world ;> |
| 01:31.36 | ccode | cr3w ;> |
| 01:32.48 | ccode | tsume: killed me ;)) |
| 01:32.56 | KinxofSepluv | apt-get moo |
| 01:33.06 | tsume | cthulfuego: spammer |
| 01:33.13 | ccode | or i /quit h4ck world ;) |
| 01:33.25 | tsume | someone for the love god ban the idiot |
| 01:33.44 | rixth | http://www.spectrumenterprises.org/mem.jpg Could someone pleaswe explain that? It's my memory usage graph, it keeps doing that, makes me system unstable, my mp3s skip.. blah. |
| 01:34.12 | Vin | cthulfuego: I don't see one |
| 01:34.16 | ccode | google.com username: google password 12312300222rox3232 |
| 01:34.16 | ccode | ;>> |
| 01:34.26 | zorton | automount usb keychains? |
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| 01:34.41 | cureless | rixth: what are you doing on the computer? |
| 01:34.47 | dvs | zorton: hal and pmount |
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| 01:35.15 | zorton | thank ya |
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| 01:35.15 | rixth | cureless, absolutley nothing really, Rhythmbox is plying an mp3 and Azureus is downloading. |
| 01:35.19 | ccode | shellroot.com best hack site's and.. underconstructions. |
| 01:35.23 | rixth | I closed down Firefox and it made no difference. |
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| 01:35.42 | rixth | SOmeone told me to get prelink yesterday, could that be it? |
| 01:35.46 | cureless | rixth: do top, press "M", see what comes to the top of the list. |
| 01:35.54 | gravity | rixth: Ugh. Prelink is the devil. Don't do it. |
| 01:36.06 | rixth | It's stopped doing it at the moment. |
| 01:36.11 | rixth | gravity, How so? |
| 01:36.25 | rixth | valydn suggested I use it |
| 01:37.20 | Jenkens | could anyone direct me to some documentation on how to remove items from startup, i realise they are in init.d, but they are also in the runlevel dirs? |
| 01:37.56 | gravity | rixth: It causes lots of problems in general |
| 01:37.56 | mwilson | Jenkens: If you don't want a service running, why is it installed? |
| 01:38.06 | gravity | rixth: I haven't heard of anyone still using it. It's a gross hack. |
| 01:38.14 | Jenkens | mwilson: well, for instance xdm, or xprint? |
| 01:38.19 | rixth | cureless, gravity some to #rixth and I'll post a top I took, (I did that before I came here, so it's not sorted) |
| 01:38.31 | spoopin | Jenkens: man update-rc.d |
| 01:38.39 | mwilson | Jenkens: As I said... if you don't want to use them, why are they installed? |
| 01:40.00 | gravity | !prelink |
| 01:40.00 | dpkg | it has been said that prelink is a program made by jakub jelinek (sp?) and can be found on the redhat servers in the /pub/jakub dir if i am not mistaken, or in sid now, but breaks tripwire (obviously) |
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| 01:40.22 | mwilson | Debian's openoffice.org packages are still using it. |
| 01:40.42 | cthulfuego | tripwire should be a static a.out anyway. |
| 01:40.44 | gravity | mwilson: Are you serious? |
| 01:40.50 | gravity | That terrifies me |
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| 01:41.03 | rixth | rixth Mem: 515936k total, 512360k used, 3576k free, 1900k buffers |
| 01:41.04 | rixth | rixth Swap: 714852k total, 239480k used, 475372k free, 140400k cached |
| 01:41.10 | rixth | thaat was happening at the time of the issue |
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| 01:41.20 | mwilson | gravity: Sure. |
| 01:41.21 | rixth | 239mb swap.. something muct be leaky |
| 01:41.31 | gravity | rixth: You need to find out what's doing it at the time that it's happening |
| 01:41.46 | cthulfuego | rixth: Using tmpfs? Have an app open that has been swapped out? |
| 01:42.02 | rixth | It's stable now at 515936k total, 376528k used, 139408k free, 5648k buffers |
| 01:42.35 | rixth | cthulfuego, yes, I am using tmpfs (I think) |
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| 01:43.04 | dvs | Howdy! |
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| 01:44.16 | rixth | gravity, will apt-get --purge prelink do it? |
| 01:44.31 | paolob | Hi guys! Anyone knows of a ppp 2.4.3 error workin with dial on demand and persist: pppd: "tcflush failed: Input/output error", and then when trying to reconnect the modem, "tcsetattr: Invalid argument (line 964)" and pppd dies, letting the interface ppp0 unconfigured. Any hint?. |
| 01:44.42 | gravity | rixth: Yeah, but only do that if the problems started after you set up prelink |
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| 01:45.07 | rixth | gravity, I installed it becasue my applications were taking forever to load up. |
| 01:45.32 | gravity | rixth: That's not the point. Did your problem with swap start after you installed prelink? |
| 01:45.46 | gravity | rixth: Also, you may just want to find out exacly what process is eating your memory when you get those spikes. |
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| 01:46.02 | rixth | Yes, before I installed prelink I was using less than an mb before iot. |
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| 01:47.12 | Jenkens | now to figure out why my resolution in xf86 is wonky. |
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| 01:47.29 | runa | hey :) does anyone knows where is pyuno in debian's openoffice? |
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| 01:47.49 | Epix | dhclient, how do i chage the subnet mask used? its not finding my router! |
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| 01:48.03 | gravity | runa: What's pyuno? |
| 01:48.22 | aardvark | !tell rixth about away |
| 01:48.25 | mwilson | Epix: subnet doesn't matter until AFTER you get an IP. |
| 01:48.40 | rixth | Oh okay then, don't get so uptight. |
| 01:48.42 | runa | gravity: an interface between UNO and python (from the manual, "Since OpenOffice1.1, PyUNO is included in the default installation.") |
| 01:48.43 | Epix | mwilson: ok.. well this ius odd. dhclient |
| 01:48.54 | Epix | mwilson: it cant find my router! |
| 01:48.58 | runa | gravity: and UNO is the oo scripting language |
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| 01:49.07 | gravity | runa: Gotcha |
| 01:49.48 | Skrot | Hi. Is it possible to set setxkbmap -symbols for a specific program, instead of global? |
| 01:49.50 | mwilson | Epix: Who says? |
| 01:50.24 | gravity | runa: It doesn't appear to be included in the debian packages |
| 01:50.44 | Epix | mwilson: well, it akes forever doing DHCPDISCOVERs |
| 01:51.09 | runa | gravity: nope, its weird |
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| 01:52.24 | gravity | runa: See #220226, #232905, and #266890 for why |
| 01:52.46 | runa | gravity: thanks ;) |
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| 01:56.03 | rafx | oops |
| 01:56.40 | dabreegster | whatchya trying to measure there rafx? |
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| 01:57.11 | rafx | lol |
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| 01:57.35 | rafx | thanks, needed the laugh, brutal day |
| 01:57.52 | dabreegster | bash.org |
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| 01:58.26 | runa | gravity: aha. I'll recompile ooo ;) |
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| 01:59.35 | gravity | cool |
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| 02:02.28 | herbi_ | morning guys. is there a website similar to the gphoto2 one that lists the webcams that work under linux? |
| 02:02.43 | bob2 | why not use the gphoto2 one? |
| 02:02.53 | herbi_ | cos thats for digital cameras :P |
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| 02:03.38 | green_earz | herbi_: try mandrake hard ware support look up section |
| 02:04.14 | cthulfuego | herbi_: Fetch the kernel source. look at the driver lists. Any camera listed there will work. |
| 02:04.18 | herbi_ | hmm nevermind, the list on linux-usb.org seems to be ok |
| 02:05.05 | cthulfuego | DOOF DOOF DOOF DOOF doof doof ... |
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| 02:05.11 | cthulfuego | fucking wog |
| 02:05.15 | Vin | Here's a question |
| 02:05.35 | Vin | How do I update Debian -stable to uh, something that uses newer everything? |
| 02:05.48 | cthulfuego | Vin: You can upgrade to 'testing'. |
| 02:05.52 | dvs | !tell Vin about woody->sarge |
| 02:06.14 | Vin | Thank you |
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| 02:06.18 | cthulfuego | Vin: If you do that on the company production server, you boss wll fire you. |
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| 02:06.35 | Vin | Nah, it's my home box |
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| 02:06.55 | seldon | cthulfuego: Nah. All my servers run on sarge, works like a charm. |
| 02:07.17 | green_earz | Vin: have a look that the apt primer, it as a section about upgrade http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
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| 02:07.19 | cthulfuego | seldon: I bet you didn't have to ASK how to do it. |
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| 02:07.36 | seldon | You have to know what you're doing, of course, but then that _should_ be normal for a professional sysad |
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| 02:07.40 | deckrider | hi, I have a laptop which requires ndiswrapper for the internal wireless device. This has a hardware on/off button. How can I configure it do to ifdown/ifup when the button is off/on (wireless device itself is working fine) |
| 02:07.45 | cthulfuego | seldon: I rest my case ;-) |
| 02:08.19 | seldon | I know it isn't. I remember when I had to tell a customer company's sysad how to create a hard link... |
| 02:08.46 | ethics | <deckrider> wouldnt hotplug/discover pick it up on turning on?? |
| 02:09.29 | deckrider | ethics: I would think that, but its not happening automagically, so I assumed I needed to do something...perhaps in /etc/network/interfaces or some hotploug config, but I don't know. |
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| 02:10.10 | ethics | deckrider: well the concept would be to fire a script off once the system log finds XXXXX device name |
| 02:10.12 | deckrider | ethics: everything works when powering the laptop on, but there is a separate button to only turn the wifi on or off....it is this button I want to produce some action |
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| 02:10.30 | cthulfuego | deckrider: you may need a specific driver that can detect when the button is pressed. I recommend google as a first stop. |
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| 02:10.43 | seldon | deckrider: Most likely, the button generates an acpi event. |
| 02:11.06 | seldon | So connect a script to that one that brings the interface up/down |
| 02:11.07 | deckrider | seldon: when I press the button, I notice some usb message |
| 02:11.38 | deckrider | so there isn't some pre-defined hook for this in hotplug I assume? |
| 02:11.39 | seldon | where? in dmesg? |
| 02:12.02 | cthulfuego | deckrider: You can map the interface via hotplug in interfaces (5) i think. |
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| 02:13.04 | seldon | Probably, if hotplug recognizes it. I think it's done by declaring the interface like "iface ethX inet hotplug". Never done it myself, though, my nics are usually hardwired to the system. |
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| 02:13.27 | deckrider | seldon: yes, and also syslog: "usb disconnect...." and "usb usb full-speed device ..." |
| 02:13.29 | leo | I'm with a little problem, my Firefox image icon is just a world without the fox in the bottom, how can I make it right? |
| 02:14.19 | seldon | OK...according to the manpage, you declare the interface as usual and add a line "allow-hotplug ethX" to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:15.00 | dabreegster | leo: try refreshing the view to make sure it's not a bug. If that doesnt work, maybe reinstall firefox. But it doesnt seem like that big of a problem. Just find the icon file and put it where it needs to be |
| 02:15.12 | seldon | also, ifupdown will have to be configured so that it brings these interfaces up on hotplug events |
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| 02:16.29 | seldon | If it doesn't work out of the box, dpkg-reconfigure ifupdown may help |
| 02:16.56 | mwilson | seldon: Or you could just do it the way the hotplug documentation says to. |
| 02:17.02 | iq | Hi, how can I remove all this: http://pastebin.ca/10318 |
| 02:17.46 | seldon | I'm making this up as I go along here, mostly from the interfaces manpage. If there's a better way, I'm listening. |
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| 02:18.05 | asg | iq: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P |
| 02:18.05 | mwilson | Gotta love people who make things up. |
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| 02:18.57 | iq | asg, is this a command that I can use on prompt? |
| 02:19.02 | asg | iq: yes |
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| 02:19.40 | iq | asg, wow... how will this work? will it prompt me before removing? |
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| 02:19.49 | seldon | Hey, I'm just trying to offer help to the best of my knowledge. I declared my knowledge is flawed in that respect, but that it might work that way. I don't think I'm to blame if it isn't perfect. |
| 02:19.51 | asg | iq: hang on a sec |
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| 02:20.13 | asg | iq: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P |
| 02:20.24 | bolimbii | can somebody please walk me through framebuffering my machine to 1920x1200?(2.6 kernel) |
| 02:20.28 | asg | iq: my mistake |
| 02:20.35 | dabreegster | bolimbii: fbset? |
| 02:20.42 | iq | asg, :) ...I've no idea what this command would do |
| 02:20.43 | asg | iq: it won't prompt you but it will purge the configs from the already removed packages |
| 02:20.47 | aardvark | bolimbii: no, gentooboy. |
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| 02:21.09 | bolimbii | aardvark, ...? |
| 02:21.12 | iq | asg, It is doing something :) |
| 02:22.00 | asg | iq: just removing cruft. |
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| 02:23.00 | seldon | iq: If you want to purge rather than just remove packages by default, you may want to add APT::Get::Purge "true" to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 02:23.29 | iq | seldon, okay |
| 02:23.31 | seldon | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Bv70YO28.html <-- this is how I do it. |
| 02:23.37 | dondelelcaro | that's almost a cosmically bad idea |
| 02:24.15 | semi_ | for some reason the cursor on one of my terminals is gone, does anyone have the ansi(or a command that outputs it) to set it back to visible? |
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| 02:24.24 | asg | semi_: reset |
| 02:24.27 | dabreegster | semi_: hangon, yeah |
| 02:24.27 | bob2 | stty sane |
| 02:24.41 | semi_ | hrm. im suprised i didnt think to try reset |
| 02:24.43 | semi_ | thanks |
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| 02:24.51 | asg | semi_: bob2's right though |
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| 02:24.55 | semi_ | (playing nethack..became invisible.. gets really confusing with no cursor) |
| 02:25.06 | dabreegster | semi_: normal blinking underline, use: echo -e '\033[?2c' blinking block, use: echo -e '\033[?6c' red non-blinking block, use: echo -e '\033[?17;0;64c' |
| 02:25.06 | iq | asg, thanks :) ...its gone... Now I need to reinstall apache. I want to use php-mysql with apache. Which one to choose: apache or apache2? |
| 02:25.16 | dabreegster | semi_: that's from the kernel docs. but 'reset' or stty should work. |
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| 02:25.23 | seldon | apache2-mpm-worker is probably a good idea |
| 02:25.25 | asg | iq: I'd stay with apache unless you have a compelling reason to use apache2 |
| 02:25.33 | jariep1_ | I want to install php5 but I can only find php4 and php3 in debian repositories |
| 02:25.40 | semi_ | dabreegster: ahh yeah, i just couldnt find those in anything on google, i used to play with ansi codes a lot in my bash scripting days |
| 02:25.41 | asg | jariep1_: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 02:25.45 | jetdotnet | jariep1_: that... nm |
| 02:25.49 | jariep1_ | ok, thanks |
| 02:26.03 | ethics | iq: apache2 works ok....im running some mysql php stuff on it but it's only because it's here when i got here....id go apache normal |
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| 02:26.23 | iq | asg, no special reason to use apache2... |
| 02:26.26 | kingsley | My ISP charges more if I use more than one gigabyte per month. Is there an application that reports how much bandwidth a box has used? |
| 02:26.43 | asg | iq: I've used it to support some mod_python stuff for our programmers. |
| 02:26.52 | asg | iq: otherwise, apache 1.3.x is just fine |
| 02:27.32 | seldon | apache2 is newer...how much more compelling could a reason get? ;P But seriously, in my experience apache 2 works faster, so unless a mod_foo you need hasn't been ported to apache 2 yet, I recommend you use it. |
| 02:27.45 | iq | ethics, asg, is there a sequence in which I need to install apache and php and php-mysql... last time I installed I messed up everything :) |
| 02:28.25 | asg | iq: install apache. install libapache-mod-php4. install php4-mysql |
| 02:29.33 | iq | asg, apt-get install apache ... apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 ... apt-get install php4 .... apt-get install php4-mysql ? |
| 02:29.38 | ethics | iq: yeah thats pretty much the same with apache2 but it's got a different module activation thingy....one time install thing |
| 02:30.36 | iq | ethics, I'm too dumb so will stay with the easy stuff :) |
| 02:31.02 | ethics | iq: hehe im pretty dumb too but i read more hehe |
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| 02:33.30 | asg | iq: yes, though php4 should be installed with libapache-mod-php4 |
| 02:34.42 | asg | iq: if not, the sequence you listed is fine |
| 02:35.23 | iq | asg, I blew it up again :) |
| 02:35.43 | asg | iq: you shouldn't have. What error are you getting? |
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| 02:37.06 | w4rl0ck | fui |
| 02:37.28 | iq | asg, http://pastebin.ca/10319 |
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| 02:38.55 | asg | iq: apt-get install libapache-mod-ssl |
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| 02:40.15 | sporked | I'm having problems using dselect/aptitude to install some packages. I have a new installation of sarge which was installed with debian-installer |
| 02:41.17 | Anthro | Is there a way to make privoxy (or some other HTTP proxy) authenticate? That is, I have a site that requires digest authentication, and I want to be able to proxy it such that the client browser does not have to authenticate. |
| 02:41.17 | sporked | after selecting my packages, it downloads them, cjecks the bug-list, but complains with "Origin signatue check failed" |
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| 02:41.48 | sporked | 'this deb might not be signed" |
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| 02:42.58 | sporked | any suggestions? |
| 02:43.34 | iq | asg, Thanks a lot for the help :) ... it is working ... I really really really appreciate :) |
| 02:43.43 | asg | iq: you're welcome |
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| 02:44.02 | iq | asg, couldn't do it without your help :) ... |
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| 02:45.27 | cthulfuego | Anthro: You can plug all sorts of auth options into Squid. |
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| 02:46.37 | nayyares | hi guys :) |
| 02:47.32 | nayyares | i want to download debian latest version installer cds, w'd any body tell me the link for that ? |
| 02:48.57 | Anthro | cthulfuego: Okay, I'll look into that. |
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| 02:49.48 | kasper | how do you transfer files back & forth w/ ssh? |
| 02:50.03 | sparr_ | you dont |
| 02:50.10 | Anthro | kasper: scp or sftp |
| 02:50.33 | nayyares | also i am confuz with the debian different distro/flavers? |
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| 02:51.15 | ethics | nayyares: debian.org get the "net-installer version.... |
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| 02:52.04 | ethics | <nayyares>: basically you want to use sarge which means when you hit the boot prompt from the installercd type linux26 and make sure testing is set up in your apt sources |
| 02:52.13 | chealer | !tell nayyares about d-i |
| 02:52.30 | chealer | why would he want 2.6? |
| 02:52.42 | ethics | <nayyares>: sarge is the soon to be stable version, woody is the outdated stable line and Sid is the experimental Unstable release |
| 02:53.16 | ethics | chealer: because it's better for most people... |
| 02:53.18 | nayyares | ethics: i want to download full cds, should i download sarge? |
| 02:53.19 | chealer | nayyares: there are several defitions of "latest" for debian. sarge isn't the latest stable release, but it's much more new than woody |
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| 02:53.51 | chealer | ethics: ah...why isn't it the default? |
| 02:54.16 | chealer | nayyares: are you sure you want to download the full cds? |
| 02:54.21 | ethics | ethics: because the net-installer does both..... |
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| 02:55.35 | leo | dabreegster: Can you send me your .xpm firefox icon image for me to replace mine? If you have it, maybe it's in here: file:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/chrome/icons/default |
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| 02:56.06 | nayyares | chealer: infect in ma office i am using Windows machime to download and i am interested to download full cds and then install it at ma home pc, "later" |
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| 02:56.26 | keikoz | hi all |
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| 02:57.58 | chealer | nayyares: even if that means downloading at least 14 CDs? |
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| 02:58.10 | chealer | nayyares: BTW what's your native language? |
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| 02:59.49 | nayyares | chealer: heh, URDU(pakistan) :) i understand my poor english writing |
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| 03:00.56 | nayyares | chealer: what if i just download first cd and then rest of packages through apt. |
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| 03:03.54 | chealer | nayyares: ah, then there's no better channel for you :( |
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| 03:04.15 | chealer | and I understand your home connection can be pretty bad |
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| 03:04.35 | nayyares | chealer: on debian-cd mirror sites there are two/three directories, image,jigdo,project etc. which one to go. |
| 03:04.46 | chealer | nayyares: you can do that. that's the second most frequent recommendation after downloading the netinst |
| 03:04.54 | r0lit0 | hello |
| 03:05.46 | r0lit0 | i need some help with my sound card it do not want to sound |
| 03:05.56 | Vin | Thanks, I got things working better now |
| 03:06.18 | ethics | r0lit0: what kernel, soundcard? |
| 03:06.39 | nayyares | chealer: http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian-cdimage/jigdo/3.0_r4-cd/i386/ all about woody, no sarge ? |
| 03:07.42 | rxc | anyone knows how to make firefox password manager, do you want to save password default to `no'? |
| 03:07.43 | chealer | nayyares: is this an official server? |
| 03:08.55 | chealer | !d-i nayyares |
| 03:08.56 | dpkg | nayyares, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 03:09.08 | chealer | nayyares: that page should explain you how to download sarge |
| 03:09.11 | r0lit0 | 2.6.11 via 8335 |
| 03:09.27 | r0lit0 | kernel and sound card |
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| 03:10.07 | doub | r0lit0: any luck with alsaconf? (my 2 cents, just passing by) |
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| 03:10.21 | r0lit0 | i've tried with alsa and nothing |
| 03:10.42 | ethics | <r0lit0> LSPCI shows soundcard in list? |
| 03:11.22 | r0lit0 | alsaconf has detected my sound card but when i try to listen music with xmms or mp3blaster the song was running but i didn't heard nothing |
| 03:11.32 | r0lit0 | lspci shows my soundcard |
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| 03:11.44 | r0lit0 | evereything shows my soundcard |
| 03:11.51 | pyr3 | How do I get Japanese character support? Some webpages have Japanese characters in them and they show up as squares with smaller western characters inside of them in Firefox... |
| 03:12.13 | pyr3 | I've installed Japanese fonts... and the Japanese package for FireFox... |
| 03:12.15 | nayyares | chealer: oh certainly i find it at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ , :) |
| 03:12.30 | r0lit0 | my soundcard it sucks i think |
| 03:12.40 | ethics | <r0lit0> ran alsaconf?...it found the card etc? |
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| 03:12.57 | rob_lt | r0lit0, are you using alsa? If so, try alsamixer and see if something is muted/turned down. |
| 03:12.58 | ethics | <r0lit0>: check your alsamixer is unmuted and cranked up a bit |
| 03:13.00 | Glitch_Master | Hey, my connection is all messed up, but that's not the problem right now. |
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| 03:13.18 | dave | Hi #debian |
| 03:13.19 | sparr_ | what software can i use to run a freedb query that WONT use the cddb/freedb server built into gnome? |
| 03:13.35 | r0lit0 | all in my alsamixer is unmuted |
| 03:13.38 | Glitch_Master | I'm currently booting as root in recovery mode, because normal boot won't work. It stops when initiating MTA. MTA doesn't start, and the system doesn't continue. |
| 03:13.40 | ethics | <r0lit0>: in xmms theres a tickbox to use OSS or something which you may need to tick.. |
| 03:14.01 | Glitch_Master | What is MTA? |
| 03:14.02 | dave | anybody use ipw2100 wireless card? |
| 03:14.30 | r0lit0 | Glitch_Master Mail Transport Agent |
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| 03:14.46 | r0lit0 | there's nothing |
| 03:15.06 | shingouz- | dave: no polls just tell us what problem you have there and let's see if someone can answer it |
| 03:15.21 | dave | ok |
| 03:15.39 | Twisted_Emotions | Anyone know of a easy to setup FTP Server that is controlled by webmin? Or just a super easy and somewhatever secure FTP Server? |
| 03:16.21 | dave | i have an ipw2100 wireless card, and it often losts connection to my route, i want to know why |
| 03:16.24 | Glitch_Master | r0lit0: What should I do? Can I reinstall it? My connection is also seriously screwed up due to some problems in the system that I've yet to identify. |
| 03:17.01 | shingouz- | dave: is the link a long one? could be as simple as a bad signal to noise ratio there |
| 03:17.23 | r0lit0 | Glitch_Master what's the problem with MTA |
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| 03:18.09 | dave | shigouz-: i am sure signal was good, because if i use my windows(win32) it never happened yet! |
| 03:18.29 | Glitch_Master | r0lit0: It won't start, and thus the system won't boot. |
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| 03:18.45 | r0lit0 | Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) <-- there's my soundcard |
| 03:18.46 | Twisted_Emotions | Anyone easy FTP program? |
| 03:19.03 | Glitch_Master | GFTP. |
| 03:19.05 | Glitch_Master | Now go away. |
| 03:19.14 | ia3264 | ive never seen a hard ftp program |
| 03:19.18 | Archer | hi,i am running the Enterprise_Web_Test.jar but "failed to load main-class manifest" is reported |
| 03:19.22 | ethics | <dave>: ipw2100 actually have their own chat channel which you may find more helpful |
| 03:19.27 | r0lit0 | try to uninstall? |
| 03:19.29 | Twisted_Emotions | Glitch_Master: That time of the month again? |
| 03:19.40 | dave | really, thanks |
| 03:19.44 | Glitch_Master | Twisted_Emotions: I have short tolerance for stupidity. |
| 03:19.49 | shingouz- | Twisted_Emotions yes, permasunday |
| 03:20.06 | Twisted_Emotions | Glitch_Master: You must be mad at yourself all the time.. |
| 03:20.16 | ia3264 | oh burn |
| 03:20.20 | Glitch_Master | Anyway, r0lit0, any thoughts? |
| 03:20.36 | r0lit0 | dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 03:20.51 | r0lit0 | dpkg --purge ?? |
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| 03:21.17 | r0lit0 | reinstall all the system?? |
| 03:21.20 | rixth | PR NI VIRT RES SHR S << Those are some headers in top, could someone please tell me what they mean? |
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| 03:21.23 | bykte | hi, what does rc means under dpkg -l? |
| 03:21.52 | ia3264 | resource configuration? revision control? radio controlled? |
| 03:22.08 | shingouz- | release candidate? |
| 03:22.10 | distempr | ia3264: i personally like radio controlled. |
| 03:22.32 | bykte | anyone? |
| 03:22.52 | r0lit0 | really caliente? |
| 03:22.54 | ia3264 | be nice if more questions on irc were multiple choic |
| 03:22.54 | ia3264 | e |
| 03:22.55 | Glitch_Master | I didn't have libgnome2-perl installed. Very important thing... Heh. |
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| 03:23.00 | r0lit0 | caliente = hot |
| 03:23.03 | Glitch_Master | Can't run it without. |
| 03:23.26 | bykte | rc bittorrent 3.4.2-3 Scatter-gather network file transfer |
| 03:23.26 | Twisted_Emotions | bykte: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/appc_03.html |
| 03:23.34 | r0lit0 | install that thing |
| 03:23.41 | Glitch_Master | Done. |
| 03:23.48 | r0lit0 | now? |
| 03:23.51 | Glitch_Master | r0lit0, mta isn't a package of any obvious sort... |
| 03:24.03 | shingouz- | bykte release candidate? |
| 03:24.03 | Glitch_Master | Let me check package manager, if it loads. I need to fix this connection next. |
| 03:24.24 | tvn | bykte: that means that package is removed but not its config files |
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| 03:24.37 | bykte | Preparing to replace bittorrent-4.0.1.linux i686-2 (using bittorrent-4.0.1.linux_i686-2_all.deb) ... |
| 03:24.38 | bykte | Unpacking replacement bittorrent-4.0.1.linux ... |
| 03:24.38 | bykte | Setting up bittorrent-4.0.1.linux (i686-2) ... |
| 03:24.40 | Prince_Gavin | they slackware room says debian is for fags |
| 03:24.42 | bykte | how do i run it then? |
| 03:24.59 | rixth | PR NI VIRT RES SHR S << Those are some headers in top, could someone please tell me what they mean? |
| 03:25.10 | Glitch_Master | Prince_Gavin: The Slackware room is composed of lazy fucks. Debian is for hobbyists. Slackware lives up to its name. |
| 03:25.16 | Prince_Gavin | they mean wipe your as in french |
| 03:25.33 | r0lit0 | i need some help with my souncard because it sucks i've configured with alsa and looked the alsa mixer , all my systems it recognizes but it won't sound |
| 03:25.50 | Glitch_Master | r0lit0: Did you check for mutedness? |
| 03:26.14 | r0lit0 | i've cheked all |
| 03:26.16 | Glitch_Master | ALSA likes to have a default config of muted PCM, it seems. |
| 03:26.28 | Glitch_Master | Intalled aumix? That might help... |
| 03:26.31 | ia3264 | which linux is for serious workers then |
| 03:26.32 | r0lit0 | all is unmuted |
| 03:26.38 | ia3264 | oh yeah no linux at all.. bsd :D |
| 03:26.40 | rixth | I think Prince_Gavin was sent here to say that buy #slackware |
| 03:26.43 | bykte | seems unable to install bittorent..bah lame |
| 03:26.45 | shingouz- | r0lit0 there is also a matter of ac97 being just a codec, you need the driver for the chipset too. /msg dpkg ac97 |
| 03:27.08 | Glitch_Master | ia3264: Dude... It all depends on what you want to do. It doesn't really matter. Pick your poison, as I like to put it. |
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| 03:27.10 | Prince_Gavin | no im just bored |
| 03:27.13 | Prince_Gavin | sorry |
| 03:27.18 | r0lit0 | lsmod |
| 03:27.21 | r0lit0 | ups |
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| 03:27.54 | r0lit0 | snd_ac97_codec <-- that's the ac97 codec?? |
| 03:27.59 | Glitch_Master | Wow. I'm getting far. -.- |
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| 03:28.10 | shingouz- | r0lit0 yes. you need the chipset drivers too |
| 03:28.25 | r0lit0 | i've got all the chipset drivers |
| 03:28.35 | r0lit0 | configured by alsa |
| 03:28.36 | shingouz- | check for mutedness |
| 03:28.46 | r0lit0 | no mutedness |
| 03:28.52 | r0lit0 | all is unmuted |
| 03:29.35 | rixth | PR NI VIRT RES SHR << Those are some headers in top, could someone please tell me what they mean? |
| 03:29.38 | shingouz- | r0lit0 for the hell of it, check it again with amixer, you might be surprised. if still unmuted, restart alsa and try again |
| 03:29.51 | shingouz- | rixth would you stop repeating that often? |
| 03:30.05 | abrotman | man top |
| 03:30.09 | cheal | I'm looking for a quite general info. using NVIDIA's drivers, sometimes I get a critical crash, but it's not complete. I wonder if there is a name for this. apache and ssh are useless, but the PC replies to pings and can be nmap-ed |
| 03:30.11 | r0lit0 | whe it isn't the sound card it's the video card |
| 03:30.11 | dondelelcaro | rixth: you realize right, that those are all described in detail in the top manpage? |
| 03:30.18 | rixth | shingouz, If someone could answer, yes, I would. |
| 03:30.35 | shingouz- | rixth man top as abrotman said |
| 03:30.36 | cheal | and the screen is black, no answer to keyboard or mouse |
| 03:30.49 | Glitch_Master | Eh... Well, I'm not going to get help here. :| |
| 03:30.59 | rixth | dondelelcaro, I've looked. |
| 03:30.59 | rixth | Or atleast I think |
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| 03:31.24 | rixth | Oh how embarrassing |
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| 03:31.34 | dondelelcaro | rixth: start reading at 2a. DESCRIPTIONS of Fields |
| 03:31.43 | shingouz- | maybe he did read the manual after all.... |
| 03:31.47 | Solet | does anyone know whats the best photoshop/paintshop-esque package for sarge? |
| 03:31.52 | dondelelcaro | Solet: gimp |
| 03:31.54 | shingouz- | Solet gimp |
| 03:31.59 | ia3264 | gimp |
| 03:32.11 | ia3264 | then image magik |
| 03:32.22 | shingouz- | magick i think it is |
| 03:32.42 | shingouz- | the spelling is weird in anycase |
| 03:32.50 | dondelelcaro | imagemagick is quite a bit different than photoshop... although, it can do some pretty impressive things |
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| 03:33.38 | Solet | dondelelcaro: what do you mean by 'some impressive things'? |
| 03:33.56 | dondelelcaro | Solet: man imagemagick; and read through the options. |
| 03:34.16 | Solet | no manual entry..... |
| 03:34.26 | ethics | gottainstall it first Grin |
| 03:34.27 | ia3264 | languages like perl have interfaces to imagemagick too not sure about gimp |
| 03:34.30 | dondelelcaro | Solet: you don't have it installed then. |
| 03:34.36 | shingouz- | apt-get install imagemagick first |
| 03:34.37 | Solet | and this machine has no internet so i cant install it atm |
| 03:34.38 | dondelelcaro | ia3264: there's a perl interface to the gimp too... |
| 03:34.53 | dondelelcaro | Solet: uh, how are we talking then? Google is your friend. |
| 03:34.54 | ia3264 | i cant imagine what that interface could do? |
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| 03:35.26 | dondelelcaro | ia3264: it's primarily used in a different direction, actually... you generally call scripts from inside the gimp |
| 03:35.38 | shingouz- | Solet let's put it this way: imagemagick can resize umpteenthousand images with one command (and a zillion other things) but it is not a gui program |
| 03:35.45 | ia3264 | ah |
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| 03:35.58 | Solet | aha |
| 03:36.12 | ia3264 | imagemagick for win32 has a gui counterpart |
| 03:36.17 | ia3264 | ive not tried it for X though |
| 03:36.28 | shingouz- | it does? woo |
| 03:36.36 | dondelelcaro | for example: find . -type f -print0 |xargs -0 morgrify -scale '50%' |
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| 03:37.07 | Solet | siliconviper disappeared :( |
| 03:37.07 | dondelelcaro | s/mor/mo/ |
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| 03:38.27 | ethics | anyone been playing with gcc4? |
| 03:38.35 | dondelelcaro | ethics: yes. |
| 03:38.40 | Solet | is it possable make a wifi card work durring the nic setup in the debian install? or do i have to do it after the install... |
| 03:38.41 | c4l1n | much better |
| 03:38.51 | c4l1n | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.53 | shingouz- | Solet depends on the card |
| 03:38.59 | dondelelcaro | Solet: yes, it is possible. However, if you have a non-wireless connection, better to use that. |
| 03:39.05 | dondelelcaro | !overwrite |
| 03:39.09 | r0lit0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:39.16 | dondelelcaro | c4l1n: use --force-overwrite |
| 03:39.19 | Solet | i dont have a non wireless connection available atm |
| 03:39.27 | ethics | dondelelcaro: any reason to move to it quick/slow? i was thinking of hitting up OOo with it see if i can get any speed increase |
| 03:39.35 | rixth | What can you do for a boot disk if you have no floppy dirve? |
| 03:39.42 | Solet | shingouz-: dlink dwl-520+ |
| 03:39.51 | dondelelcaro | rixth: cd? usb key? netboot? |
| 03:39.57 | ethics | <rixth> a boot CD....i dont have floppy drives in new PCs |
| 03:39.59 | dondelelcaro | Solet: well, if the kernel supports your card, it will work. Otherwise, no. |
| 03:40.21 | c4l1n | iunnoh what all i need to do with dpkg, i was using apt |
| 03:40.30 | rixth | dondelelcaro, I have no DC writer in THIS machine, could I write it to a file and burn in from a Win2K machine? |
| 03:40.39 | shingouz- | Solet i do not remember off hand what the chipset in that one is but if it is supported it will work |
| 03:40.43 | dondelelcaro | rixth: if you can burn an iso, sure. |
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| 03:41.03 | dondelelcaro | c4l1n: dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libwxgtk2.4-python_2.4.2.6.1_i386.deb |
| 03:41.06 | Solet | ummm maher posted a link of 'supported' cards the other day... and the dwl-520+ was on the list.... |
| 03:41.14 | c4l1n | thanks |
| 03:41.24 | dondelelcaro | Solet: then hopefully it will come up automagically. |
| 03:41.37 | paster | "Twisted_Emotions" at 68.126.224.156 pasted "apt-get errors ;(" (25 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/54 |
| 03:41.45 | Twisted_Emotions | ^^^ |
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| 03:41.52 | Solet | if it doesnt? |
| 03:42.13 | shingouz- | Solet then you are basically screwed unless you make a very custom installer |
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| 03:42.49 | user01 | what does it mean that linux development is dropping bitkeeper? |
| 03:43.08 | dondelelcaro | user01: that's exactly what it means. |
| 03:43.13 | dondelelcaro | Solet: then you drop to a console and set it up manually. |
| 03:43.15 | shingouz- | Solet i think there is no ndiswrapper suppport in the installer cd's so you have to use a card that is supported natively under linux |
| 03:43.18 | rixth | dondelelcaro, It didn't say how to make an ISO in the man page, could you enlighten me? |
| 03:43.27 | dondelelcaro | rixth: uh, no. download an iso image. |
| 03:43.36 | Solet | what about wireles_tools_27-2_1386 or ndiswrapper-source_1.1_1_i386? will either of those packages help? |
| 03:43.36 | rixth | dondelelcaro, ohh, I see. |
| 03:43.36 | dondelelcaro | rixth: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 03:43.50 | ethics | user01 basically kernel development is somewhat on hold until the migrate to a different source tracker |
| 03:43.59 | rixth | dondelelcaro, kernel compile for hardware support. |
| 03:44.10 | dondelelcaro | rixth: you can make one yourself, but it's a bit more complicated, and involes knowing how to use mkisofs properly. |
| 03:44.47 | rixth | dondelelcaro, I think I'll just find one, |
| 03:44.49 | user01 | ethics: ok so they haent decided yet? |
| 03:45.09 | user01 | ethics: i just dont understand how samba is involved... |
| 03:45.09 | shingouz- | Solet i doubt those packages are on the installer. if you have a natively supported nic and the wlan is not encrypted you shoudl have a very good chance. i will need to try a wireless install here one of these days |
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| 03:45.41 | ethics | user01: well linus wants to use git and do mods from what i read but linus wants everything to be what he needs so hell prolly write/rework onother prog |
| 03:46.01 | ethics | <user01> samba isnt really involved is it? |
| 03:46.08 | poli | user01, http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/09/2136247&tid=106 |
| 03:46.16 | shingouz- | Solet just slap the nic into the laptop and boot off the install cd. if it works youre done, if not try setting up the connection manually before getting ticked off ;) |
| 03:46.28 | Solet | companies need to start writing drivers for linux |
| 03:46.57 | shingouz- | Solet companies need to let people have at least some docs on the hardware |
| 03:47.06 | user01 | ethics: Andrew Tridgell, co-founder of the popular Samba CIFS (Common Internet File System) server project, created a new program, SourcePuller, that could work with BitKeeper data. |
| 03:47.08 | Solet | that would be nice too :P |
| 03:47.28 | Glitch_Master | Alright, I can't take this anymore. I need to find solutions. Debian is slowly driving me into the ground with its problems, and I'm getting pissed off. I can't relax. >_O |
| 03:47.38 | Solet | usually if you mail them they will send you documentation tho... |
| 03:47.46 | shingouz- | Solet otherwise they just go nvidia or ati and write pure binary modules that are supposed to install into the kernel. bad stuff that |
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| 03:48.39 | Atula | hello? |
| 03:48.43 | Atula | anyone home? |
| 03:48.49 | poli | Glitch_Master, relax |
| 03:48.57 | shingouz- | Solet if you can get people like texas instruments do that, go ahead. pop into #wireless or #kismet and aks for the nastiest chips ;) |
| 03:49.04 | shingouz- | Atula nope, we all sleep |
| 03:49.12 | poli | Atula, not me. |
| 03:49.28 | user01 | i have to reinstall debian actually...xserver crashing and not loading now |
| 03:49.37 | Glitch_Master | Problem 1: MTA won't start during the system boot, and nothing else will start after it until it does. I'm stuck here as root in recovery mode. Problem 2: Something in the ethernet setup or something is screwing up my connection. At the modem/router it's working fine (I checked), but I can't make connections from the system. It took seventeen tries to connect to this server. It has gotten so bad that I only have a small w |
| 03:49.38 | Glitch_Master | indow of connection to jump through |
| 03:49.54 | poli | Glitch_Master, is MTA sendmail? |
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| 03:49.58 | user01 | but since i just use it as a file server command line is fine for the moment |
| 03:50.02 | ia3264 | reinstallin just to fix a problem? sounds like windows |
| 03:50.20 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: can you ping $(hostname); ? |
| 03:50.21 | Glitch_Master | poli: I think so... |
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| 03:50.35 | Glitch_Master | dondelelcaro: No. |
| 03:50.43 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: well, get that working for starters. |
| 03:50.44 | user01 | ia3264: im doing it to try a new partition scheme |
| 03:50.58 | poli | Glitch_Master, sendmail has always had an issue if if doesn't get /etc/hosts or DNS to identify your IP address from the machine name. |
| 03:50.59 | ia3264 | excuses excuses :P |
| 03:51.03 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: set /etc/hostname; and set /etc/hosts properly so that ping $(hostname); resolves. |
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| 03:51.17 | Solet | hey without rerunning install how can i run the nic setup again to see if my current kernel will like my wifi card? |
| 03:51.22 | _gentgeen_ | oksanen, did you get anything working? |
| 03:51.23 | Glitch_Master | dondelelcaro: To make sure I know what you're talking about, an example, please? |
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| 03:51.41 | user01 | ia3264: that and i work 60 hours a week and already spent a good number of hours working out other bugs on it |
| 03:51.43 | Atula | honnneeey!! I'm home... LOL |
| 03:51.45 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 03:51.53 | Atula | man... someone took away my voice.. |
| 03:51.56 | Atula | that aint cool |
| 03:52.06 | Atula | I just told a really bad joke... seesh.... |
| 03:52.22 | shingouz- | Solet slap in the nick and check the chipset with "cardctl info". then modprobe the appropriate driver into place (if it was not automagically done) |
| 03:52.22 | ethics | user01: still cant see anything relating to samba specifically... |
| 03:52.29 | poli | Glitch_Master, Get your machine name listed in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts as man hosts |
| 03:52.30 | Atula | well.... that was my dorm room... I'm in the school lab... I wish someone could give me voice again.... |
| 03:52.37 | dondelelcaro | Atula: if you don't wish it to be taken away again, please behave yourself. |
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| 03:52.39 | shingouz- | Atula we can hear you |
| 03:52.56 | Framus | I was wondering if anyone could help me with some printing problems that i am having |
| 03:53.03 | Solet | command not found..... |
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| 03:53.27 | karsten | Atula: The three words you least want to hear when making love? |
| 03:53.31 | shingouz- | Solet you have hotplug there then i guess |
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| 03:53.56 | poli | ethics, user01 samba has nothing to do with this. The only relationship is that the guy who presumably started the fight by reverse-engineering BitKeeper is samba's original programmer. |
| 03:53.57 | Solet | ? |
| 03:54.10 | gravity | "reverse-engineering" |
| 03:54.12 | gravity | hehe |
| 03:54.14 | Solet | shingouz-: if hotplug= program then no... |
| 03:54.16 | shingouz- | Solet have you done a google on the card to see what module it needs to run |
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| 03:54.38 | Framus | does anyone know of a way to check if my parallel port is working ? I am trying to get my printer to work, but i can't. |
| 03:54.44 | poli | gravity, presumably... ;) He never admited nor commented on that, AFAK. |
| 03:54.50 | gravity | poli: Yes he did |
| 03:54.57 | gravity | poli: He told everyone exactly how he did it |
| 03:55.08 | poli | gravity, can you show me the link? |
| 03:55.11 | libpcp | hello guys |
| 03:55.20 | Solet | no... i just went down the list maher gave me untill i found a card i had, then swapped around cards so i could put the card that was on the list in this machine |
| 03:55.27 | Glitch_Master | poli: Wait... make them "man hosts"? |
| 03:55.35 | gravity | poli: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/21/tridgell_bitkeeper_howto/ |
| 03:55.40 | poli | gravity, thanks! |
| 03:55.53 | ethics | poli: yeah i didnt thing samba was involved in any real way |
| 03:55.53 | libpcp | i would like to ask your suggestions on how to duplicate a whole harddrive with a working debian on production |
| 03:56.09 | Glitch_Master | poli: Those are already correctly named. I took care of that quite a while ago. |
| 03:56.18 | Atula | karsten, haha. well... that's a tough one... since I hear everything I want whenever I do that. |
| 03:56.18 | dondelelcaro | libpcp: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 03:56.19 | libpcp | i would like to make a backup of the harddrive but i dunno where to start |
| 03:56.22 | shingouz- | Solet check it out, i do not remember what driver it would need. i am getting a bit sleepy and i havent goofed around with newer cards |
| 03:56.27 | karsten | poli: echo "help" | nc thunk.org 5000 |
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| 03:56.39 | dondelelcaro | libpcp: just backup the data, backup /etc, and backup which packages you actually have installed. |
| 03:56.43 | karsten | Atula: Think about it. |
| 03:57.03 | poli | karsten, thanks... I guess... |
| 03:57.08 | poli | karsten, :) |
| 03:57.08 | Glitch_Master | poli: Yes, I can ping $(hostname) |
| 03:57.17 | Solet | no... i just went down the list maher gave me untill i found a card i had, then swapped around cards so i could put the card that was on the list in this machine |
| 03:57.27 | Glitch_Master | I was a little confused at first. |
| 03:57.31 | Solet | oops didnt mean to repeat... wrong keyboard :/ |
| 03:57.36 | shingouz- | :) |
| 03:57.45 | shingouz- | you need a kvm ;) |
| 03:57.52 | poli | Glitch_Master, after changing /etc/hosts or /etc/hostname? Or you could ping before changing the configs? |
| 03:58.07 | Solet | shingouz-: yes i do |
| 03:58.15 | ia3264 | is there a diff between $(hostname) and `hostname` |
| 03:58.22 | Solet | but i need a muffler and brake pads first :/ |
| 03:58.26 | Glitch_Master | poli: I could before. There was no need to change it. |
| 03:58.36 | Glitch_Master | Not that I ever did, of course. |
| 03:58.43 | shingouz- | Solet i'd o for the brakes, then the muffler in that order |
| 03:58.56 | Glitch_Master | The changing of the hostnames, that is. |
| 03:58.57 | libpcp | dondelelcaro: is it possible to backup all the contents of the harddrive and load that harddrive to another machine? |
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| 03:59.18 | Solet | accually come friday i can do both at same time |
| 03:59.21 | shingouz- | Solet ...of course after the muffler a bigger turbo might be nice... |
| 03:59.33 | Solet | does acx100 mean anything to you? |
| 03:59.39 | ethics | shingouz->: id go the other bay id rather let people know im coming through hehehe....i may of course be insane but thats always the question |
| 03:59.46 | poli | libpcp, If you have the essential drivers of the new machine (i.e. Hard Disk Controller etc.), sure you can. |
| 03:59.54 | shingouz- | yes, modprobe that one Solet |
| 04:00.19 | Solet | cant locate module |
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| 04:00.41 | shingouz- | ethics with the manifold pressures i run on my car i sure like to have some good brakes |
| 04:00.54 | shingouz- | Solet on the installer? |
| 04:01.20 | Atula | karsten, enough of this mind games.... tell me what they are... perhaps, "I have AIDS?" |
| 04:01.22 | libpcp | poli: both machine has scsi controller install with the same type/model |
| 04:01.22 | tomb0y | hmm ive been using lvm1 with woody for a long time, upgraded to sarge, redoing raid and doing lvm2, now i had some drives in did some pvcreate, removed a drive, but it still says it finds the drive i took out, but says its unknown, tried deleting cache file and still same thing ? |
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| 04:01.27 | Solet | i typed modprobe acx100 and it said "modprobe: Can't locate mosule acx100" |
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| 04:01.37 | shingouz- | Solet if you are on a 2.4 kernel right now you should try a 2.6 |
| 04:01.48 | sunru | hi |
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| 04:01.56 | libpcp | poli: if thats possible how can i do the backup? |
| 04:02.03 | Solet | *blushes* i'm on a pos kernel lower than 2.4... |
| 04:02.06 | libpcp | what tools should i use? |
| 04:02.13 | poli | libpcp, rule of thumb: yes you can. Possible problems: different RAID configurations, HID (keyboard, mouse). |
| 04:02.14 | sunru | bash: mail: command not found, whats the basic local mail mta? |
| 04:02.26 | Solet | i cant remember what its called but i get flamed to deth whenever i say the version |
| 04:02.28 | shingouz- | Solet there you go then. 2.4 minimum, 2.6 preferred for such new hardware |
| 04:02.28 | Glitch_Master | Solet: Wow. That would do it. Get 2.6. |
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| 04:02.45 | poli | libpcp, I am sorry, I didn't get the first part: what exactly do you need to do? |
| 04:03.07 | dondelelcaro | libpcp: sure, you can do it using dd or tar or cpio or rsync... |
| 04:03.15 | poli | Glitch_Master, What is your MTA? What does yout boot say? |
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| 04:03.32 | Solet | but the module acx100 is in kernel 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 04:04.06 | Glitch_Master | poli: I really can't tell you right now. You see, during the boot sequence, everything starts fine, but when it hits MTA, it simply holds there and does nothing. "MTA: " |
| 04:04.22 | shingouz- | Solet at least iin 2.6 i'd say. not sure if it is on the installer kernel but it should be at least supported if you do a custom if the debian versions do not have it |
| 04:04.25 | phigan | why the hell would a machine suddenly stop resolving? |
| 04:04.27 | Glitch_Master | Is there another way of knowing? |
| 04:04.35 | phigan | # ping yahoo.com |
| 04:04.36 | phigan | pingouin: unknown host yahoo.com |
| 04:04.41 | phigan | # nslookup |
| 04:04.41 | phigan | > |
| 04:04.45 | phigan | no server info |
| 04:04.49 | shingouz- | phigan dead server at your isp? |
| 04:04.52 | phigan | even tho, /etc/resolv.conf is fine |
| 04:04.55 | Glitch_Master | Also, you still haven't touched the real issue of the connection. |
| 04:04.56 | phigan | i can ping the ip in resolv.conf |
| 04:05.13 | phigan | i can nslookup yahoo.com from the ip in resolv.conf |
| 04:05.24 | zorton | anyone run their ssh and pgp keys on a usb device? |
| 04:05.25 | Glitch_Master | It must be something in the initial connecting part, because once something like an IRC server is connected, it stays that way. |
| 04:05.43 | libpcp | poli: i want to backup a harddrive running on a production server |
| 04:05.45 | poli | Glitch_Master, yes. See if you have a /var/log/exim dir and tell me (don't paste please) if you have log files there. |
| 04:06.12 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: the initial connection issues are going to often be resolution issues. |
| 04:06.13 | poli | libpcp, A full harddrive? A partition? A directory? |
| 04:06.16 | Glitch_Master | poli: Nope. No dir. |
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| 04:06.26 | libpcp | dondelelcaro: what do you prefer on the utility you gave? |
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| 04:06.29 | shingouz- | phigan i tend to have several dns server ip's in my resolv.conf and if one triplet goes tits up i just do some creative commenting and it works again. for some reason the local isp is not what you'd call good at their dns |
| 04:06.31 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: can you resolve $(hostname) to your IP even when you're not hooked into the network? |
| 04:06.41 | libpcp | poli: full harddrive if its possible? |
| 04:06.47 | poli | Glitch_Master, that smells like sendmail. |
| 04:06.58 | dondelelcaro | libpcp: really depends what I'm doing. Those are really low level tools. I personally tend to use tar and just backup data to dvd or similar. |
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| 04:07.00 | Glitch_Master | dondelelcaro: How could I tell you that now? I can't just yank my ethernet cable. :P |
| 04:07.12 | poli | libpcp, Can you stop the server to do that? Or do you need a hot backup? |
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| 04:07.58 | dondelelcaro | Glitch_Master: sure you can.. yank it, check, and plug it back in. Or, better, tell us what hostname; hostname --fqdn; report and the content of /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, and /etc/resolv.conf; (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 04:08.05 | libpcp | poli: my machine does not support hot swap and i want to it manually |
| 04:08.27 | phigan | shingouz: it wasn't the ip, the box suddenly stopped resolving things by itself |
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| 04:08.32 | phigan | now suddenly its fixed itself |
| 04:08.37 | poli | libpcp, Not hot swap... hot backup=when you need to back up a running server without stpping it. Can you stop the server do backup? |
| 04:08.39 | Glitch_Master | dondelelcaro: ...I'm on the machine we're talking about right now. I can make connections on rare occasion, which is how I connected to this server. |
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| 04:08.59 | shingouz- | phigan the dns server probably was belly up for a while there |
| 04:09.21 | phigan | shingouz: i could nslookup from the very dns server in my resolv.conf |
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| 04:09.38 | shingouz- | phigan uhhhh.... maybe sunspots? |
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| 04:09.44 | phigan | must be |
| 04:10.09 | shingouz- | phigan did you wave a dead chicken in the general direction of the isp already? you should you know |
| 04:10.11 | Neverm1nd | YES! Sarge rocks it again |
| 04:10.29 | shingouz- | wnat a smoke too Neverm1nd ? ;) |
| 04:10.38 | Glitch_Master | Sarge is giving me lots of problems, Neverm1nd. :| |
| 04:10.45 | libpcp | poli: thanks for the explanation, is it possible to to hot backup? |
| 04:11.05 | Vin | I was a Slackware user for I dunno how many years. |
| 04:11.10 | Vin | I have to admit |
| 04:11.10 | libpcp | poli: i can stop the server to do backup if its needed |
| 04:11.14 | Vin | apt-get owns me. |
| 04:11.37 | shingouz- | apt-get ownzz0rs us all |
| 04:11.53 | poli | libpcp, In what kind of media are you planning this backup? Tapes? Other HDs? |
| 04:12.00 | Glitch_Master | Shingouz: I run it on a cursed ASUS board. |
| 04:12.09 | Downix | poli: Don't dare him to go floppy |
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| 04:12.24 | poli | Downix, I am not that evil. :) |
| 04:12.31 | shingouz- | Glitch_Master huh? |
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| 04:12.41 | libpcp | poli: HD and i want to mount that HD to a new machine |
| 04:12.52 | Glitch_Master | Whoa... Read the wrong name. |
| 04:12.53 | Glitch_Master | Sorry. |
| 04:12.57 | shingouz- | :) |
| 04:12.59 | EruditeHermit | hi, when I run vsftpd, it works well on the default port, but when I change the port, I get 500 illegal port command. Is there something else I have to change? |
| 04:13.08 | Glitch_Master | Gravity: I run it on a cursed ASUS board. |
| 04:13.37 | chealer | Glitch_Master: thanks... do you have a free 3D driver for my TI 4600 too? :) |
| 04:13.42 | shingouz- | EruditeHermit after changing the port oyu need to restart the server |
| 04:14.01 | gravity | Glitch_Master: That shouldn't affect your mta, afaik |
| 04:14.01 | EruditeHermit | shingouz-: yeah I restarted it |
| 04:14.02 | Glitch_Master | chealer: Sorry... nope... Just cheese. :( |
| 04:14.25 | EruditeHermit | shingouz-: I can login, but once I am logged in, none of the commands work |
| 04:14.30 | rxc | anyone using mozilla-mplayer? it buffers to 25% then nothing shows up |
| 04:14.32 | Glitch_Master | Gravity: I know... You know whay? Does MTA take a long time to start up? I waited about a minute... um.. |
| 04:14.35 | theturtle | Anyone know how i could make a mirror or the latest Sarge packages,perhaps on a usb drive, so that i can install them on a non-networked pc |
| 04:14.37 | Glitch_Master | what* |
| 04:14.48 | shingouz- | EruditeHermit well... unless your hosts.allow and hosts.deny look real odd, i am not sure what else to do. i am not a guru though |
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| 04:14.55 | hikenboot | hello all have a digital media pro keyboard and looking for linux drivers that will map the extra keys and function keys....can anyone help? |
| 04:14.57 | poli | libpcp, Ok... I will tell you what I would do in that case, but I bet I will get some disagreement on this. There is a small program called dd (man dd) that performs bit-to-bit copies. If you want to generate a new HD, it is possible the use dd to copy one harddrive into the other one, bit by bit. Actually it is better to do that on a partition-to-partition basis, not HD-to-HD. |
| 04:15.03 | theturtle | Glitch_Master: MTA takes about that long on my Xandros machine |
| 04:15.11 | theturtle | I was just gonna look into what the heck that even was :/ |
| 04:15.14 | gravity | Glitch_Master: It shouldn't, but exim is in pretty good shape. Not sure about sendmail if that's what you're using. postfix is in very good shape. |
| 04:15.38 | theturtle | when mine finishes it says MTA: exim4 |
| 04:15.44 | theturtle | then goes on |
| 04:16.02 | Solet | shingouz-: can i pm you? |
| 04:16.07 | poli | libpcp, the resulting partition after the copy is a precise image of the original one, exactly the same file system, file positions and fragmentation. |
| 04:16.13 | shingouz- | Solet please dont |
| 04:16.40 | Solet | ok, sry |
| 04:16.40 | Glitch_Master | Well, whatever the case, MTA doesn't even start... It goes down the list... "BLAH: blah. | BLAH: blah. | MTA: " (Doesn't move) |
| 04:16.52 | sunru | whatst the standard mta that comes with debian? |
| 04:16.56 | libpcp | poli: what will happen if i mount that drive to another machine with different hardware? |
| 04:16.56 | poli | libpcp, But you would have to get the two HDs on the same machine and have another root partition (boot from a live CD or such) so that the two HDs are unused by the OS. |
| 04:17.12 | Glitch_Master | I'm going to reboot soon and try to fix it, but first I want my connection working! |
| 04:17.17 | ethics | theturtle> a few ways to do it....if you have a live system you can copy the deb files from the /var/ area and to a dpkg install....or you can setup a repository using rsync or oyu can just install off an old version and upgrade... |
| 04:17.19 | Glitch_Master | So.... |
| 04:17.34 | sunru | anyone? |
| 04:17.35 | Glitch_Master | Any clue on the connection issue? |
| 04:17.45 | theturtle | ethics sounds like rsync would be my best option |
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| 04:17.54 | theturtle | as the pc with network connection is windows |
| 04:18.43 | Glitch_Master | Review: The connection itself is great, as is the modem/router (Westell 2200 crap), but somewhere around the ethernet card, things get ugly. It wasn't this bad before, but it was slowly deteriorating. |
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| 04:18.47 | EruditeHermit | shingouz-: nothing in those files |
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| 04:18.59 | poli | libpcp, Linux is quite resilient to hardware changes (windows, btw, isn't). If the kernel you are using has the necessary drivers installed or loadable by modules, you shouldn't expect trouble. |
| 04:19.00 | theturtle | is there like a ftp directory that has all the packages in it? |
| 04:19.07 | shingouz- | EruditeHermit i have to pass in that case, sorry |
| 04:19.17 | ethics | yeah there is....sec finding link |
| 04:19.23 | libpcp | poli: would it be possible to dump the backup from a dd to a file then transfer it to another machine and do the extract? |
| 04:19.24 | theturtle | i'd like to setup a standard way, so that everytime i use apt-get install, it looks on that usb drive. |
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| 04:19.33 | poli | libpcp, yes. |
| 04:20.07 | foo | Hmm, my X keeps crashing. It takes me to CLI and back to X and then asks me to login again... someone said my refresh rates might be bork. Can anyone confirm this theory? |
| 04:20.09 | ethics | THE TURTLE: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 04:20.18 | shingouz | libpcp: /msg dpkg cp hd to hd |
| 04:20.18 | theturtle | awesome |
| 04:20.24 | poli | libpcp, but the partition you are copying from has to be unmounted.... otherwise, unpredictable things can happen. |
| 04:20.52 | sporked | :1 |
| 04:21.10 | Glitch_Master | I tried putting in a new (actually very old) PCI ethernet card, since my existing one is on-board craptasticness, and I thought it would use the card immediately as a higher priority. It didn't, of course, and I don't know how to set that up. I don't know if it will work better or not. This could just be faulty hardware. |
| 04:21.11 | poli | libpcp, if you can't stop the machine, you can try other high level file-based programs like tar, cpio, rsync etc. That copies files, not raw bits as dd. |
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| 04:21.40 | poli | libpcp, if using tar, remember to add --preserv so that permissions aren't screwed. |
| 04:21.51 | poli | libpcp, anyways, for what you need to do, I would go with dd. |
| 04:21.56 | EruditeHermit | shingouz-: thanks for the help =) |
| 04:22.01 | shingouz | poli: dd only works if the drives are identical, it does not work from a 5G drive to a 40G drive |
| 04:22.18 | shingouz | EruditeHermit: sorry i cannot help you more, i am out of knowledge |
| 04:22.23 | poli | shingouz, Identical Partitions, if you do that in a partition-to-partition basis. |
| 04:22.30 | poli | shingouz, I do that all the time. :) |
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| 04:22.35 | shingouz | poli: well... true |
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| 04:22.59 | Solet | does anyone know of any gnome addons that add graphical effects to basic window movement, like minimizing, or screen swapping 2 windows, instead of just snapping to their new location it would show them moving, etc? |
| 04:23.02 | poli | shingouz, as long as the destination HD is equal or larger, you are fine. |
| 04:23.10 | shingouz | poli: i still prefer to mkfs, mount and then use something else for it. tar, rsync, whathaveyou |
| 04:23.14 | EruditeHermit | shingouz: yeah, thanks for trying though |
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| 04:23.57 | poli | shingouz, I have baaaad experiences using tar for that kind of job. Especially on mail servers with lots and lots and lots of Mailbox files. Took 2 days to backup one with a 40GB HD. |
| 04:24.03 | Glitch_Master | Solet: Um... What version of GNOME do you have? |
| 04:24.13 | shingouz | poli: eww |
| 04:24.25 | theturtle | thanks ethics |
| 04:24.29 | poli | shingouz, Believe me... dd... :) |
| 04:24.32 | theturtle | exactly what i was looking for |
| 04:24.36 | Solet | 1.4 |
| 04:24.38 | shingouz | poli: ok ok ok :) |
| 04:24.47 | poli | shingouz, :) |
| 04:25.34 | poli | shingouz, not to tell that you just can't get permissions right on the first time with tar... :) |
| 04:25.39 | shingouz | Solet: what the hell of a version of debian you actually run there? |
| 04:25.46 | Solet | woody |
| 04:25.57 | Solet | i will be going to sarge tonight tho |
| 04:26.04 | libpcp | so i need the same type of harddrive to be safe on dd |
| 04:26.15 | Overand | ugh |
| 04:26.17 | poli | libpcp, No, just a HD of equal size or larger. |
| 04:26.27 | Overand | girlfriend opens file she emailed to herself in OOorg |
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| 04:26.29 | Overand | hits 'save' |
| 04:26.30 | shingouz | Solet: you just need to hack the sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:26.32 | Glitch_Master | Solet: Newer GNOME features the moving Windows you so desire, along with lots of better things. You're running Ye Olde Desktoppe right now. |
| 04:26.33 | Overand | saves to /tmp |
| 04:26.35 | Overand | she freaks out |
| 04:26.48 | Glitch_Master | windows* |
| 04:26.50 | Overand | 'WHERE'S MY FILE' |
| 04:26.50 | Glitch_Master | Sorry. |
| 04:26.52 | Solet | thats why i'm asking about various packages... i want to accually get this machine ready for work... |
| 04:26.55 | Overand | "where'd you save it?" |
| 04:27.05 | Solet | shingouz: i cant do that now... theres no internet on that machine |
| 04:27.13 | Glitch_Master | Solet, hell you'd be better off reinstalling a fresh copy of Debian. |
| 04:27.14 | poli | libpcp, If you decide to do that on a partition-to-partition basis (I recommend). |
| 04:27.17 | Glitch_Master | A LOT less work. |
| 04:27.26 | Solet | Glitch_Master thats what i'm gonna do |
| 04:27.27 | shingouz | i beg to differ |
| 04:27.35 | Glitch_Master | Solet: Then why the hell do you want these files?! |
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| 04:27.46 | Overand | 'no internet' |
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| 04:28.07 | shingouz | Solet: umm.. how about getting the first real cd instead of jsut the netinstall. that way you would have a full compliment of tools and kernels |
| 04:28.08 | Solet | i wanted to know if i needed any extra packages... |
| 04:28.27 | Glitch_Master | Hey, I used the net install... :( |
| 04:28.28 | libpcp | poli: did you hear ghost for linux? |
| 04:28.30 | Solet | i have the first 3 sarge cd's burned |
| 04:28.35 | Overand | is he doing sarge or woody? |
| 04:28.39 | Overand | ah |
| 04:28.59 | Solet | i have 1-7 and netinstall downloaded and 1-3 burned |
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| 04:29.07 | Glitch_Master | Poli: Did you abandon all hope of solving my connection problem? |
| 04:29.14 | poli | libpcp, sure... never tried, nor do I see any great improvement, but if you are an experienced ghost user, you might try. |
| 04:29.15 | Xerex | guys, I downloaded the Sarge OS and installed it only to have a terminal based OS |
| 04:29.22 | shingouz | Solet: that is the way then. you ge t apretty complete system out of those and you get the wlan to work at least after you go from the installer kernel into a real kernel |
| 04:29.25 | Xerex | I did not even get a GUI |
| 04:29.29 | shingouz | go 2.6 in anycase |
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| 04:29.54 | Solet | what kernel is on the sarge cd? |
| 04:29.58 | Glitch_Master | Xerex: Quit whining and install GNOME. |
| 04:30.03 | shingouz | Xerex: it boots and runs, doesnt it? now you just apt-get the rest in place |
| 04:30.07 | poli | Glitch_Master, the problem you described me seems a classic name-resolution problem with sendmail. I don't use sendmail for at least 7 years now. I would recommend you to change to exim or some other MTA and try again. |
| 04:30.27 | Glitch_Master | poli: This could affect my internet? o.O |
| 04:30.28 | shingouz | Solet: i think there should eb some 2.6'es too, havent tested sarge in ages |
| 04:30.28 | libpcp | well actually im afraid to start on backuping the old harddrive because that machine is on production and if i screwed up i might get screwed up also :) |
| 04:30.30 | poli | Glitch_Master, I don't remember the exact solution of the problem for sendmail, altough there is one. |
| 04:30.34 | Rucas | X11 is for kids |
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| 04:30.40 | Rucas | real men use GNU Screen |
| 04:30.44 | poli | Glitch_Master, only boot time. What is the problem with your internet? |
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| 04:30.52 | Glitch_Master | ... |
| 04:30.57 | Glitch_Master | I can't connect to anything. |
| 04:30.58 | Xerex | shingouz: u mean apt-get update and then upgrade ? |
| 04:31.06 | poli | Glitch_Master, what is the error? |
| 04:31.07 | Glitch_Master | It took 17 tries to get to this server. |
| 04:31.11 | Glitch_Master | No error. |
| 04:31.13 | Glitch_Master | It just doesn't connect. |
| 04:31.25 | Glitch_Master | The connection is fine. It's something in the ethernet card or actions taken by the system. |
| 04:31.31 | Xerex | shingouz: is that the way it is with Debian ? coz I am used where the whole OS, GUI, etc is installed |
| 04:31.32 | shingouz | Xerex: augh. did you even read the apt-get manual? |
| 04:31.32 | poli | Glitch_Master, how did you configure your network? DHCP? |
| 04:31.44 | rave | morning ..... |
| 04:31.44 | Xerex | shingouz: ya man |
| 04:32.08 | Glitch_Master | poli: I never configured. It auto-configured and I went with it. It's DHCP, I think. I want to throw in a better card anyway. I have a random ethernet PCI card sitting here, but I can't really configure it. |
| 04:32.40 | libpcp | well anyway ill try your suggestion on dd |
| 04:33.06 | Glitch_Master | poli: Currently I'm using an on-board ethernet card, which has no significance to the problem anyway. |
| 04:33.13 | Rucas | Xerex: apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm will get what you're wanting i bet |
| 04:33.23 | poli | Glitch_Master, ok... your network seems just fine if you ask me... if that 17 tries you tell were lost packets, we wouldn't be talking right now. You might have a DNS problem. Open /etc/resolv.conf and paste one of the nameserver's line. |
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| 04:33.33 | poli | libpcp, Did you read man dd? |
| 04:33.40 | Xerex | Rucas: I am jsut surprised I though the CD would include a GUI like other distros . |
| 04:33.42 | Overand | heh |
| 04:33.44 | Overand | libpcp |
| 04:33.47 | Glitch_Master | Rucas: Noo... Make him install X-Free86... I use that. >.> |
| 04:33.53 | shingouz | dammit, i always forget what the install X11 factoid is. someone shoot it off to xerex |
| 04:33.59 | Rucas | Xerex: many people don't use it (me included) |
| 04:34.21 | shingouz | Solet: why not dist-upgrade off the cd's then? |
| 04:34.37 | poli | Xerex, I really fight a lot for not using X in many occasions. :) |
| 04:34.38 | Glitch_Master | nameserver 192.168.1.1 (This is the modem address) |
| 04:34.49 | shingouz | Xerex: and the X is there on the cd's you just did nto install it |
| 04:34.54 | Solet | because a lot of stuff is really fucked up on it... |
| 04:34.54 | poli | Glitch_Master, wow... does your modem has a nameserver? |
| 04:35.07 | Glitch_Master | I don't know. |
| 04:35.11 | shingouz | Xerex: you might be better off using aptitude to install new stuff though |
| 04:35.14 | libpcp | poli: yeah im reading it right now |
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| 04:35.20 | Glitch_Master | I honestly am lost in all of this. What the hell is a nameserver?! |
| 04:35.21 | libpcp | Overand: yup |
| 04:35.26 | Solet | i just really dont like admitting to failure... and having to reinstall is admitting my failure to set it up correctly the first time... |
| 04:35.31 | Rucas | why does everybody like aptitude so much? |
| 04:35.34 | gravity | Glitch_Master: It's the thing that associates a URL with an IP |
| 04:35.39 | Glitch_Master | Ah. |
| 04:35.46 | shingouz | Rucas: no idea, it is supposedly easier |
| 04:35.49 | poli | Glitch_Master, nameserver is a server that translates the internet names (like www.debian.org) into their IP addresses. |
| 04:35.52 | Overand | libpcp: may i suggest trying out the interfaces on libk and libdxm? |
| 04:35.57 | Xerex | well am new to Debian, and usually like in redhat, u install the OS, and u get the GUI, services, everything else, then u jsut run the updates afterward |
| 04:35.57 | dondelelcaro | Rucas: because it actually manages packages (reasonably) properly. |
| 04:36.12 | poli | Glitch_Master, Seems VERY unlikely to me that your modem is a DNS server. |
| 04:36.19 | Glitch_Master | poli: I see. So... think I should use a different one? :P |
| 04:36.59 | Glitch_Master | This was working for quite a while. |
| 04:36.59 | Glitch_Master | It slowly, slowly died, and now it won't work. |
| 04:36.59 | poli | Glitch_Master, Is there some other nameserver line in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 04:36.59 | Glitch_Master | The occasional struggle to connect. |
| 04:36.59 | Overand | Xerex: there are just a few packages you need to install after a 'base install' to get a good working gui on most systems |
| 04:36.59 | Rucas | dondelelcaro: how so? do you mean when it installs package A and package A requires B and C, if you uninstall it uninstalls b and c |
| 04:36.59 | Glitch_Master | poli: search myhome.westell.com (again, modem) |
| 04:36.59 | libpcp | okay ill research on that too |
| 04:36.59 | Glitch_Master | Well. |
| 04:36.59 | Glitch_Master | No.. |
| 04:36.59 | libpcp | guys ill be right back |
| 04:37.01 | Glitch_Master | That's not a modem. |
| 04:37.05 | Glitch_Master | Westell Modem. |
| 04:37.11 | Glitch_Master | Tis the company... |
| 04:37.13 | poli | libpcp, You will have to partition the new HD just as your old one, using fdisk. All the parameters of all the partitions have to be the same, that is not difficult to do. |
| 04:37.22 | Solet | people like aptitude because they are afraid of having super cow powers :P |
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| 04:37.33 | shingouz | !moo |
| 04:37.34 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
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| 04:37.43 | poli | libpcp, Then dd if=/dev/hda1 of=hda1file.bin on the old server and dd if=hda1file.bin of=/dev/hda1 on the new one for each of the partitions. |
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| 04:37.54 | Twisted_Emotions | apt-get moo |
| 04:37.56 | Twisted_Emotions | ? |
| 04:37.59 | Twisted_Emotions | Booooo |
| 04:38.06 | Solet | Twisted_Emotions: type it in terminal |
| 04:38.10 | Twisted_Emotions | ohh |
| 04:38.10 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: in bash. as root ;) |
| 04:38.11 | Solet | you get an ascii cow |
| 04:38.13 | Twisted_Emotions | hehe :) |
| 04:38.17 | poli | Glitch_Master, No other nameserver line? What is your modem's model? |
| 04:38.28 | Overand | also, apt-get install cowsay |
| 04:38.35 | Overand | then cowsay Something funny. |
| 04:38.37 | Twisted_Emotions | hahahahha |
| 04:38.39 | gravity | heh... the moo command isn't in zsh's autocompletion for apt-get |
| 04:38.47 | Glitch_Master | poli: Westell 2200 |
| 04:38.47 | shingouz | Overand: and wtf is that then? do i want to know? |
| 04:38.52 | Xerex | Oversand: I like to use K |
| 04:38.52 | Solet | Twisted_Emotions: as root in terminal type apt-get and look at bottom |
| 04:39.01 | Twisted_Emotions | I did.. |
| 04:39.05 | Twisted_Emotions | cow ;) WEeeeeee |
| 04:39.07 | Glitch_Master | poli: Also, it seems I have exim4 installed. |
| 04:39.23 | Overand | shingouz: cowsay? t's more or less exactly what it sounds like |
| 04:39.45 | shingouz | Overand: yea, i asked dpkg about it. scary stuff |
| 04:39.49 | poli | Glitch_Master, in default instal you should have /var/log/exim, I suppose. |
| 04:39.57 | Overand | i'll demonstrate polygen pythoniser | b1ff |cowsay in a mgs if you want |
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| 04:40.02 | rixth | THe submarine cable out of NZ is full to bursting. Your line speed is approximately 105.1 Kbps or 12.9 K bytes/sec. Yay. |
| 04:40.15 | sparr_ | what would result in /etc/crontab being copied to /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root ? the file formats arent the same, and this caused me a MAJOR headache. id like to track down which package did it, but have no idea how |
| 04:40.15 | rixth | Should be 2048. |
| 04:40.44 | Glitch_Master | poli: What's the difference between exim and exim4? Installing exim removes all aspects of the latter... |
| 04:41.04 | Solet | does sarge install take as long as woody install? |
| 04:41.07 | gravity | Glitch_Master: exim is version 3. exim 4 is version 4. |
| 04:41.15 | gravity | Glitch_Master: And Debian prevents you from installing more than one mta |
| 04:41.27 | sparr_ | i finally got exim4 working today! |
| 04:41.31 | sparr_ | my software can finally send emails |
| 04:41.46 | poli | Glitch_Master, you can look for log files on this MTA problem in /var/log while I take a look at your modem. |
| 04:41.54 | dondelelcaro | Rucas: yes, amongst other things. You can get that same behavoir using apt-get+deborphan or debfoster, but it's slightly more complicated. |
| 04:42.32 | paster | "Twisted_Emotions" at 68.126.224.156 pasted "Please help.. apt-get is apt-gay. :( Help!" (23 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/55 |
| 04:42.38 | Twisted_Emotions | ^^^^^ |
| 04:42.39 | Twisted_Emotions | Help? |
| 04:43.04 | dondelelcaro | Twisted_Emotions: fix the postrm script. |
| 04:43.19 | dondelelcaro | s/postrm/postinst/ |
| 04:43.20 | Twisted_Emotions | dondelelcaro: Hmm.. and that means what? |
| 04:43.23 | Twisted_Emotions | oh |
| 04:43.24 | Twisted_Emotions | thanks |
| 04:43.30 | Glitch_Master | poli: When we get the internet thing fixed, I'll just upgrade my outdated exim. That will probably fix it. I have 4.50-5. 4.50-6 is out. |
| 04:43.43 | Twisted_Emotions | nano s/postrm/postinst/? |
| 04:43.46 | Twisted_Emotions | wait |
| 04:43.46 | sparr_ | <Glitch_Master> poli: When we get the internet thing fixed |
| 04:43.47 | poli | Glitch_Master, well it seems that your modem has a dns server. |
| 04:43.50 | sparr_ | awesome |
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| 04:43.51 | Twisted_Emotions | thats a directory.. |
| 04:43.56 | dondelelcaro | Twisted_Emotions: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-proftpd.postinst; and fix it so that it doesn't attempt to play with that file. |
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| 04:44.15 | Solet | umm in the sarge installer my keyboard isnt responding |
| 04:44.23 | dondelelcaro | Twisted_Emotions: either that, or fix your webmin install so that you actually have /etc/webmin/webmin.acl, which shouldn't have been deleted. |
| 04:44.23 | Twisted_Emotions | dondelelcaro: I want that ftppro uninstalled ;( but it wont freaking work. |
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| 04:44.34 | Glitch_Master | poli: Neat. |
| 04:44.38 | sparr_ | how can i grep a lot of files at once? |
| 04:44.40 | catalyst4000 | hallo everyone |
| 04:44.41 | dondelelcaro | Twisted_Emotions: then why are you trying to install it? purge it. |
| 04:44.42 | poli | Glitch_Master, You have only one ethernet? |
| 04:44.47 | Glitch_Master | poli: Correct. |
| 04:44.49 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: grep foo huge list of files to grep; |
| 04:45.06 | Twisted_Emotions | dondelelcaro: I do that how? |
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| 04:45.15 | dondelelcaro | Twisted_Emotions: dpkg --purge webmin-proftpd |
| 04:45.17 | Glitch_Master | poli: Would you like a print of ifconfig? |
| 04:45.19 | catalyst4000 | alright, I have 2 annoyances in debian |
| 04:45.28 | Twisted_Emotions | dondelelcaro: I need webmin.. I dont need proftp |
| 04:45.31 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: /bin/grep: Argument list too long |
| 04:45.41 | catalyst4000 | 1) my alsa configuration does not automatically restore after reboot |
| 04:45.42 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: then use xargs |
| 04:45.45 | poli | Glitch_Master, not in the channel, please, pm me |
| 04:45.57 | gravity | xargs++ |
| 04:46.10 | Solet | can anyone tell me why my keyboard all of a sudden stopped responding in the sarge install? it worked fine for woody install a month ago... but its not working for the sarge install |
| 04:46.11 | catalyst4000 | i have to run alsaconfig to have it detect my card every time |
| 04:46.29 | paster | "Twisted_Emotions" at 68.126.224.156 pasted "purge didnt work." (11 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/56 |
| 04:46.37 | catalyst4000 | I can't remember how I got around this in Fedora, but it's gotta be possible |
| 04:46.37 | Twisted_Emotions | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/56 |
| 04:46.55 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: xargs grep crontabs < `ls` ? |
| 04:47.18 | dondelelcaro | Twisted_Emotions: yes, I can see it. rm /var/lib/dpkg/webmin-proftpd.prerm; and try again. |
| 04:47.20 | poli | Glitch_Master, there is something very weird in your system. Give me a route -n please. Why do you the hell use IPv6, anyway? |
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| 04:47.34 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: no, find . -type f -maxdepth 1 -print0|xargs grep crontabs; |
| 04:47.43 | dondelelcaro | s/xargs/xargs -0/ |
| 04:47.58 | sparr_ | xargs: argument line too long |
| 04:48.01 | sparr_ | oh, ok |
| 04:48.11 | poli | Glitch_Master, How the well do you get to your 192.168.1.1 modem?!?! |
| 04:48.26 | sparr_ | perfect, thanks! |
| 04:48.38 | sparr_ | not so good with shell voodoo |
| 04:48.38 | Glitch_Master | poli: ? |
| 04:48.46 | gravity | Yay find |
| 04:48.55 | Glitch_Master | poli: That's the address that takes me there. Don't ask me. I'm not Westell. |
| 04:49.07 | Solet | can sarge cd1 be used as a netinstall if it gets my wifi card working properly? |
| 04:49.08 | catalyst4000 | probably IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling? no? |
| 04:49.28 | poli | catalyst4000, catalyst4000 I have no idea. |
| 04:49.30 | Twisted_Emotions | dondelelcaro: rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/webmin-proftpd.prerm': No such file or director |
| 04:49.30 | Glitch_Master | ...Um.. |
| 04:49.37 | Glitch_Master | Please explain the IPv things... >.> |
| 04:49.38 | sparr_ | Solet: sure, just change your sources to point to whatever... |
| 04:49.49 | dondelelcaro | Twisted_Emotions: sorry, rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-proftpd.prerm; and try again. |
| 04:49.58 | poli | Glitch_Master, How the heck can you reach 192.168.1.1 from this configuration? Please ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 04:49.59 | Solet | cool |
| 04:50.07 | catalyst4000 | IPv4 is the standard routed protocol of the internet |
| 04:50.21 | catalyst4000 | thats the xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 32-bit address |
| 04:50.32 | catalyst4000 | IPv6, don't ask me |
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| 04:50.42 | catalyst4000 | it's mainly for testing right now I guess? |
| 04:50.55 | poli | Glitch_Master, give me a 200 packet ping, please. |
| 04:50.59 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: sadly i did not find what i hoped, but thanks for the lesson in xargs! |
| 04:51.02 | Solet | istn ipv6 the host+ip format? |
| 04:51.04 | Glitch_Master | poli: um... Okay... |
| 04:51.11 | Solet | istn=isnt |
| 04:51.25 | poli | catalyst4000, No real working big-scale network infrastructure, as far as I know. |
| 04:51.42 | catalyst4000 | who is it? ARIN? |
| 04:51.51 | poli | Glitch_Master, Your provider routes the reserved 192.168.... that is bad manners, to say the least. :) |
| 04:52.01 | catalyst4000 | they'll give you you're own public IPv6 block if you can prove to them that you can use it efficiently |
| 04:52.08 | Glitch_Master | poli: Should/can this be changed? |
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| 04:52.16 | poli | Glitch_Master, Not by you, no. |
| 04:52.31 | F-Lelo | does anyone knows where I can find an apt site for xorg? |
| 04:52.37 | gravity | F-Lelo: /topic |
| 04:52.43 | F-Lelo | I did that |
| 04:52.47 | F-Lelo | but dpkg did not answer |
| 04:53.03 | gravity | F-Lelo: Uh, it just answered me |
| 04:53.12 | F-Lelo | =/ |
| 04:53.13 | F-Lelo | lemme check |
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| 04:53.28 | F-Lelo | hmm... I must've typed wrong then |
| 04:53.29 | F-Lelo | thanks anyway |
| 04:53.30 | F-Lelo | :) |
| 04:53.34 | catalyst4000 | ok... who wants to answer me a question? |
| 04:53.40 | Glitch_Master | Coming up on ping 150. |
| 04:53.45 | gravity | F-Lelo: You probably want the "get xorg" factoid listed at the end of that one |
| 04:53.49 | catalyst4000 | How can you eat your pudding if you don't eat your meat? |
| 04:53.56 | F-Lelo | gravity: yeah... hehehe thanks ;) |
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| 04:54.14 | sparr_ | What is the proper way to set up PTR records for multiple IPs that all belong to the same machine? if i look up foo.com as 1.2.3.4, but it also owns 1.2.3.5, then when i reverse 1.2.3.5 i get foo.com, which resolves to 1.2.3.4 != 1.2.3.5 |
| 04:54.18 | Solet | catalyst4000: its "how can you have any pudding if you dont eat your meat" |
| 04:54.24 | F-Lelo | gravity: I was out of the # when I messaged dpkg ! :P |
| 04:54.33 | F-Lelo | that's why I didn't get any response... |
| 04:54.42 | catalyst4000 | Solet, yeah.... I'm tired... my quoting is bad, and probably spelling and grammar too :) |
| 04:55.30 | catalyst4000 | anyways... |
| 04:55.37 | Glitch_Master | poli: Should I past the whole thing? |
| 04:55.47 | dondelelcaro | (although, it is rarer) |
| 04:55.50 | catalyst4000 | How do I get the fonts to be the "proper size" |
| 04:56.00 | catalyst4000 | automatically after each boot? |
| 04:56.24 | Solet | (where x = various hardware components) |
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| 04:57.03 | catalyst4000 | I use KDE, gaim, and firefox (probably others too) have crazy font sizes, until I run the GNOME Control Center and set the fonts there |
| 04:57.13 | poli | Glitch_Master, your routing seems ok. Please use host to find out the IP addresses of random sites (www.debian.org www.kernel.org and some others that come to your mind) and tell me if it takes long to answer. |
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| 04:57.17 | catalyst4000 | this makes no sense to me |
| 04:57.26 | Bogaurd | hi. i have a 200gb hard drive in my debian box, being detected by linux (i've made the bios ignore it). it comes up as 137gb because of the limitation. Is it possible to overcome this in software, as the software is doing the dection? |
| 04:57.27 | Solet | kde= evil |
| 04:57.29 | catalyst4000 | why does GNOME's control center dictate what my fonts are like in KDE? |
| 04:57.36 | Bogaurd | running kernel 2.4 |
| 04:58.14 | gravity | catalyst4000: Maybe it alters your freetype settings, which kde also uses? |
| 04:58.24 | Solet | boguard: put it in a different machine and partition it inhalf? dunno if it will work but maybe |
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| 04:58.30 | foo | I just need portmap to mount an nfs share, right? |
| 04:58.42 | ethics | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.44 | catalyst4000 | gravity: where can I set defaults for freetype? |
| 04:58.56 | boukensya | hey guys. I was just wondering how to setup hotplug to automatically mount devices such as usb when it is plugged in? |
| 04:58.58 | Glitch_Master | poli: No. They come up quickly. It would seem that it's behaving for the time being. |
| 04:59.02 | Bogaurd | solet, its a limitation of ATA, so that wont work i dont think. |
| 04:59.12 | gravity | catalyst4000: I honestly don't know. I know very little about that sort of thing, unfortunately. I could well be wrong too. |
| 04:59.15 | catalyst4000 | ethics: but still, I can change fonts in KDE, but it doesn't effect the gaim and firefox menu font sizes |
| 04:59.27 | poli | Glitch_Master, Do you have problems opening web sites? Try some. |
| 04:59.30 | catalyst4000 | only the GNOME Control Center will alter those sizes |
| 04:59.45 | Twisted_Emotions | I wounder how many people have actually run apt-get moo and then moo'd after... |
| 04:59.55 | Glitch_Master | poli: I don't right now. It happens at random. Suddenly nothing will connect. RIght now, everything is running smoothly. |
| 04:59.56 | Twisted_Emotions | Current count I know about... 1 |
| 05:00.15 | catalyst4000 | whatis moo |
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| 05:00.25 | Twisted_Emotions | run it... |
| 05:00.29 | Twisted_Emotions | apt-get moo |
| 05:00.29 | ethics | <catalyst4000>: probably a bug hehehe...youd be surprised at how many things we are thankful for that are probably not as intended |
| 05:00.38 | Twisted_Emotions | not apt-get install moo |
| 05:00.43 | Glitch_Master | Creepy... I know the person who wrote Miranda. :P |
| 05:00.53 | catalyst4000 | aha |
| 05:00.58 | Twisted_Emotions | ;) |
| 05:00.59 | poli | Glitch_Master, Looks like network, not debian, problem. |
| 05:01.01 | catalyst4000 | no, I did not moo... yet |
| 05:01.03 | foo | All I need is portmap running to mount an nfs share in debian, right? |
| 05:01.07 | Twisted_Emotions | lol. |
| 05:01.15 | Glitch_Master | poli: When the connection was down, the modem was up. |
| 05:01.18 | catalyst4000 | ok, I mooed... damn, I was trying so hard not to |
| 05:01.18 | Solet | wait... my 160 works fine as a 160... and its ATA |
| 05:01.27 | poli | Glitch_Master, try repeating that tests I just asked you to do when you detect the problem. I t might help you to figure out. |
| 05:01.35 | Twisted_Emotions | catalyst4000: It's okay.. Im sure many have. |
| 05:01.42 | Glitch_Master | poli: Alrighty... |
| 05:01.56 | catalyst4000 | oh well, for the most part, I'm happy with Debian |
| 05:01.56 | Glitch_Master | So... I'm going to update exim and hope for the best. |
| 05:02.02 | muaddib | Question I've just booted my debian system after it being down for 2 months. I attempted to apt-get update & dist-upgrade but for some reason some packages aren't showing up which I know are avaliable in unstable dist. Is there away to clear your packages and start over |
| 05:02.03 | catalyst4000 | I've only been using it since saturday |
| 05:02.13 | catalyst4000 | after a long few years of nothing but Red Hat and Fedora |
| 05:02.29 | Solet | should it really be taking 10 minutes to load module 'ide-cd' for 'linux ATAPI CD-ROM'? |
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| 05:02.55 | ethics | <Solet> : um no.. |
| 05:03.16 | catalyst4000 | phew, I have to be up at 6 AM (GMT-5) |
| 05:03.17 | Glitch_Master | poli: What are the chances of a replaced exim working? |
| 05:03.25 | catalyst4000 | that's in 5 hours... |
| 05:03.32 | catalyst4000 | I guess I'm calling it a night |
| 05:03.34 | catalyst4000 | later all |
| 05:03.44 | poli | Glitch_Master, If you are not upgrading from 3 to 4, very good. If you are, very good too. :) |
| 05:03.52 | poli | Glitch_Master, I have to go now... good luck. |
| 05:04.04 | Glitch_Master | Alrighty. |
| 05:04.10 | muaddib | any ideas |
| 05:04.25 | Solet | it stops for a min at 84% then it stops forever at 86% |
| 05:04.42 | Glitch_Master | Ahhhh! |
| 05:04.43 | Glitch_Master | Wait! |
| 05:04.45 | Glitch_Master | poli! |
| 05:04.46 | Glitch_Master | Come back! |
| 05:05.02 | Glitch_Master | MTA is STILL broken... ._. |
| 05:05.12 | gteppel | I recently upgraded from woody->sid and my firewall script is no longer.... anything that references/uses the word 'nat' causes the following error: iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?). I realize that the syntax has probably changed or a setting has changed after the upgrade... can somebody point me towards some resoruces regarding this issue I'm having?? |
| 05:05.14 | Glitch_Master | Symaptic Package Manager is trying to launch it. It's doing nothing. |
| 05:05.29 | Glitch_Master | Oh! |
| 05:05.33 | ethics | Glitch_Master>you need an MTA laoded? just out of curiosity |
| 05:05.34 | Glitch_Master | It just takes a long time to do that... |
| 05:05.44 | Glitch_Master | Nevermind, ethics. |
| 05:05.52 | gteppel | *no longer working... |
| 05:06.04 | Glitch_Master | Sometimes delays can make you worried in this world of fast processing. |
| 05:06.14 | Glitch_Master | age... rather. |
| 05:06.20 | Glitch_Master | Age of fast processing... |
| 05:06.31 | Glitch_Master | Well... All is well now. I am gone. :) |
| 05:06.48 | gravity | Dear lord |
| 05:06.49 | ethics | Glitch_Master> lol...i dont process very fast but then i tend to be in power so who cares |
| 05:07.04 | gravity | I'm amazed at how badly newbs can mess up their installations |
| 05:07.10 | muaddib | when you do an apt-get update but it doesn't seem to get new packages has anyone see that problem before |
| 05:07.11 | gravity | I also wonder if that was an ubuntubie |
| 05:07.53 | gravity | muaddib: Yes, but it usually means something |
| 05:08.16 | zinx | gteppel: your kernel doesn't have support for NAT, or its support is too old |
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| 05:08.32 | zinx | gteppel: or, as it says, you haven't loaded the module ;) |
| 05:08.46 | gteppel | zinx: ok thanks... |
| 05:09.12 | muaddib | ls |
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| 05:09.28 | muaddib | gravity: aren't you a ray of sunshine |
| 05:10.16 | gravity | muaddib: Do you see any errors? Are you running stable? There could be lots of reasons for what you're seeing. |
| 05:10.24 | gravity | muaddib: What you asked is a pretty vague question |
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| 05:10.30 | gravity | muaddib: So you got a vague response |
| 05:10.56 | cuprum | hi, |
| 05:11.03 | mlots | Good spam filtering for those posting to debian lists is which package(s) with which settings? Any pkgs I could backport to woody or settings I could just download and tweak? |
| 05:11.05 | Solet | muaddib: gravity != sunshine; gravity is a force, rays of sunshine are electromagnetic streams of sub-atomic particles known as photons. |
| 05:12.22 | mlots | Solet: Doesn't light have that wave paradox? Also don't photon's have force vectors? |
| 05:12.23 | muaddib | gravity: as mentioned earliet I am running unstable sparc release. There are currently no errors when I run apt-get upgrade. When I attempt to run dselect there are 14 dependancy problems to packages it can currently fine example perl 5.8.4-4 is installed need perl_5.8.4-8 |
| 05:13.31 | mlots | muaddib: what does pkgs.d.o/perl say is available? Perhaps it hasn't been uploaded yet? |
| 05:13.48 | Solet | mlots: yes, and yes; but to the second question, having force and being force are entirely different... just because a photon can have a very small amount of force to it doesnt make it a force, and definitly doesnt make it gravitational. |
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| 05:14.25 | muaddib | mlots: what file do I need to check |
| 05:14.34 | mlots | Solet: How do you differentiate gravity from an object that contains it? |
| 05:15.06 | mlots | muaddib: I dunno. I'd just check online. I suppose "apt-cache show perl" might work |
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| 05:15.58 | gravity | mlots: It could be the required package hasn't been built for sparc yet. |
| 05:16.06 | gravity | muaddib: ^ (sorry, that was for you) |
| 05:16.28 | Solet | mlots: exactly how you stated it, one is the force (gravity) and one is the entity which causes/creates/posseses it (object) |
| 05:16.31 | mlots | gravity: so it wouldn't show up in the update, on packages.debian.org/perl etc. |
| 05:16.31 | muaddib | gravity: I checked the ftp site and its avaliable |
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| 05:17.24 | muaddib | mlots: I check and the its reporting the previous version not the latest version from apt-cache command |
| 05:17.27 | mlots | Solet: so the object can exist without gravity? |
| 05:17.27 | gravity | muaddib: Did you do a dselect update? |
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| 05:17.35 | muaddib | gravity: Yes I did |
| 05:17.39 | gravity | hrm |
| 05:17.40 | ethics | muaddib: just out of curiosIy what sources you have in sources? |
| 05:17.44 | valdyn | muaddib: dselect automatically selects "Recommended" Packages which may show those problems. apt-get does not do that. |
| 05:17.50 | mlots | muaddib: checking for conflicts? |
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| 05:18.18 | muaddib | ethics: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 05:18.30 | muaddib | ethics: deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 05:18.34 | Solet | mlots: yes an object can exist with out gravity, but it can not completely be defined with out gravity, thus its existance could not be proven |
| 05:18.39 | ethics | apt-get = get only what I ask for, aptitude install = instal;l recommendeds also |
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| 05:18.56 | muaddib | valdyn: It should still be able to see if those packages are avaliable no |
| 05:19.01 | ethics | maybee doing aptitude update aptitiude dist-upgrade would work better/? |
| 05:19.08 | gravity | muaddib: It's possible that they haven't hit your mirror |
| 05:19.26 | valdyn | muaddib: sure, true |
| 05:19.44 | Solet | sarge install keeps freezing at the screen "Detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives" "86%" "Loading module 'ide-cd' for 'Linux ATAPI CD-ROM'..." anyone have any ideas why? |
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| 05:20.10 | ethics | Solet: can you alt-f2 etc? |
| 05:20.14 | valdyn | Solet: did you try the 2nd kernel on the installer? |
| 05:20.31 | ethics | Solet: try linux26 on the bootprompt.... |
| 05:20.35 | muaddib | gravity: In my case the mirror that I would be using would be ftp://ftp.us.debian.org and I am 100% sure its there |
| 05:20.41 | Solet | the default kernel wouldnt talk to my keyboard, this is the linux26 |
| 05:20.58 | Solet | ethics whats alt+F2 do? |
| 05:20.58 | ethics | Solet: anything special, weird, unusual on uncommon about your box? |
| 05:21.12 | mlots | Solet: I can't imagine an object without gravity. Especialy the example of a ray of sunshine as I don't know of any photon's without gravity. That said I can only see in psuedo three dimentions in various instances of the time dimention. |
| 05:21.14 | Solet | ethics: no not that i can think of |
| 05:21.23 | gravity | muaddib: I think the mirror setup is more complex, in that us.debian.org hides other mirrors, but you're probably right |
| 05:21.57 | ethics | Solet: umm alt f2 etc will cycle through consoles (ttys) so you can login multiple tIMes.. |
| 05:22.11 | Solet | oh yeah... "duh" |
| 05:22.12 | ethics | Solet: you have any scsi drives? sata? |
| 05:22.16 | Solet | no |
| 05:22.24 | ethics | Solet: ata raid ? |
| 05:22.44 | Solet | just one ata hd on the primary channel of the primary ide |
| 05:22.56 | Solet | and one cdrom on the secondary channel of the primary ide |
| 05:22.58 | Gnea | wow |
| 05:23.05 | Gnea | finally got sarge installed on this sparc |
| 05:23.22 | mlots | What sparc? |
| 05:23.25 | Gnea | but kernel won't finish booting - it loads the ramdisk but then fails to see the hard drive |
| 05:23.26 | Gnea | station5 |
| 05:23.28 | LinuxNIT | when using Xwin32 to connect to a debian box what is the fastest method SSH, RSH, REXEC or XDMCP? |
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| 05:23.36 | Gnea | 2.6.8 |
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| 05:23.49 | muaddib | gravity: Because of the compexity of the mirrors do you have any other suggestions |
| 05:23.56 | Solet | mlots: think of it this way, it is possable to change the gravity on a photon via a particle accelerator, but even with changed gravity it remains a photon. thus its gravity is not a requirement of its existance as a photon |
| 05:24.00 | ethics | Solet: not set to cable select are they? |
| 05:24.15 | Solet | umm.... i gotta look... |
| 05:24.21 | gravity | muaddib: Not right now... I'm thinking about it... but I'm fresh out so far... |
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| 05:24.31 | Solet | i havent changed any jumpers since i installed woody tho... |
| 05:24.37 | mlots | Solet: live and learn... cool I'll look that up. thanks. |
| 05:24.47 | kb1_kanobe | Is there an apt-able 2.4.x kernel for sarge anywere that contains the preemptable kernel and realtime patches? |
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| 05:25.11 | Solet | mlots: :) i havent had a good physics discussion in a while... i enjoy debating this shit :) |
| 05:26.02 | ethics | Solet: objects are not defined on the world around them... |
| 05:26.43 | mlots | Solet: I wonder if the accelerator causes a degredation of the photon (i.e. loosing peices) and thus the lost peices are lowering the gravity. |
| 05:26.58 | ethics | Solet: ata specs have been changing a bit....i know a while back cable select was causing huge issues....I just tend to not use it because its know to be flakey |
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| 05:27.30 | simonrvn | kb1_kanobe: doubt it. you want custom, you make it yourself |
| 05:27.39 | kb1_kanobe | simonrvn: ok, thanks. |
| 05:27.46 | Solet | hrm... i dont know if a photon can lose a piece due to its incredably small size in relation to the power of strong force... |
| 05:27.48 | mlots | ethics: objects are defined by perception... |
| 05:28.05 | Solet | if i remember correctly the gravity was increased by trying to slow the photon down |
| 05:28.07 | simonrvn | photon only has mass at rest |
| 05:28.09 | mlots | Solet: Does it change other properties? |
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| 05:28.25 | Solet | not sure cant remember... i read the article a year and a half ago |
| 05:28.36 | tracer | How do you restart the little toolbar volume control module under gnome? |
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| 05:29.47 | valdyn | tracer: rightclick on a panel and pick "add to panel" ( if that is what you mean ) |
| 05:30.17 | tracer | valdyn: thanks |
| 05:30.20 | Solet | oops ethics: i lied hard drive is on primary of primary ide and cdrom is on primary of secondary ide |
| 05:30.54 | mlots | Solet: I wonder whether the proton gains mass faster than it looses it when it's slower... |
| 05:31.45 | Solet | umm... mlots: photon != proton... i've been talking about photons |
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| 05:32.14 | Solet | (i hope i havent typo'd and said proton) |
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| 05:33.06 | mlots | Solet: I wouldn't know, but it would make more sence. Still the same argument could be made. |
| 05:33.06 | tracer | Everytime I restart my machine I have to rerun alsaconf to set my audio hardware up again otherwise apps error when I try to play things... |
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| 05:33.36 | valdyn | tracer: which sound card, is discover and/or hotplug installed |
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| 05:33.55 | mlots | tracer: something in the modules configuration or etc/init.d or some startup script needed? |
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| 05:34.31 | mlots | I find it strange that xmms does something magic that intializes my sound hardware that motv doesn't. |
| 05:34.44 | Solet | mlots: *shrug* i'm not sure... i think... maybe... i'm not sure |
| 05:34.47 | tracer | valdyn: the sound card was detected as being Ensoniq AudioPCI, and im not sure about discover and or hotplug |
| 05:34.51 | cthulfuego | Hahah! http://www.limmy.com/playthings/xylophone/ (flash req'd) |
| 05:34.51 | tracer | mlots: i have no idea |
| 05:35.18 | ethics | <tracer>: yeah you need to grab a command line mixer to fire the command IN boot |
| 05:35.20 | tracer | mlots: you would think it wouldnt be since its fundamental hardware like that |
| 05:35.21 | simonrvn | mlots: photons are *massless* unless at rest. photons don't stop. if they stop, you have absolute zero. |
| 05:35.22 | mlots | tracer: does the thing load now modules? Try lsmod before and after configuring. |
| 05:35.34 | tracer | ethics: i have alsa |
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| 05:35.50 | tracer | mlots: ok |
| 05:35.55 | ethics | tracer: on command line type amixer |
| 05:36.07 | tracer | ethics: ok |
| 05:36.08 | simonrvn | and if a proton gains mass it isn't a proton anymore |
| 05:36.29 | tracer | simonrvn: mass is related to acceleration, so they gain and loose mass all the time |
| 05:36.36 | ethics | tracer: does it pop up a dodgy gui? |
| 05:36.37 | simonrvn | 'lose' |
| 05:36.37 | tracer | simonrvn: i think |
| 05:36.41 | mlots | So how would you run a mixer IN boot? |
| 05:36.45 | valdyn | tracer: lsmod | grep ens |
| 05:36.50 | cthulfuego | tracer: no, energy. |
| 05:36.52 | tracer | ethics: no, just prints crap |
| 05:36.56 | simonrvn | no. they don't. a macroscopic object would. |
| 05:36.57 | sunru | whatst the standard mta that comes with debian? |
| 05:37.01 | sunru | ugh |
| 05:37.02 | tracer | cthulfuego: aaah |
| 05:37.14 | Dashiva | sunru, exim4 |
| 05:37.23 | tracer | valdyn: ok |
| 05:37.23 | sunru | erm |
| 05:37.29 | cthulfuego | Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaanes! |
| 05:37.29 | sunru | ok thanks Dashiva |
| 05:37.42 | tracer | valdyn: i see mods specific to my hardware loaded |
| 05:37.48 | ethics | mlots: its just a shell script to fire of amixer witht he default settings you want |
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| 05:37.53 | valdyn | tracer: which module exactly |
| 05:38.04 | tracer | valdyn: if i had to guess, i would say that they are not loading the required mods at startup |
| 05:38.20 | mlots | ethics: where? /etc/init.d ? |
| 05:38.32 | tracer | valdyn: snd_ens1371 i think thats my card |
| 05:38.32 | valdyn | tracer: thats right, but i still need to know which one exactly it is for your soundcard |
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| 05:38.54 | mlots | tracer: If so you need to edit your modules configuration. read the update-modules man page maybe. |
| 05:39.01 | ethics | mlots: umm yEAh i think i put mine in with my firewall scripts etc... |
| 05:39.02 | tracer | valdyn: but there are others, like snd_pcm |
| 05:39.05 | tracer | mlots: ok |
| 05:39.06 | valdyn | tracer: ok : "echo snd-ens1371 >> /etc/modules" |
| 05:39.17 | ethics | mlots: but i have a autoexec.bat style script hehe... |
| 05:39.44 | mlots | ethics: I could always add it to the login script too I suppose. |
| 05:39.45 | simonrvn | i'll pretend i didn't see that |
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| 05:39.56 | valdyn | tracer: use cut and paste, if you make a > out of my >> you are fucked ) |
| 05:39.58 | cthulfuego | You know, soemtimes it would be REALLY handy if debconf shows WHICH package was asking a question. |
| 05:39.59 | simonrvn | otherwise there goes dinner |
| 05:40.06 | cthulfuego | 'Enforce port selection?' -> say what? |
| 05:40.08 | simonrvn | cthulfuego: aye |
| 05:40.18 | dondelelcaro | cthulfuego: sounds like a badly worded question too |
| 05:40.20 | tracer | valdyn: hehe, yeah, i know, thanks for the warning |
| 05:40.31 | tracer | valdyn: ill try a restart, brb |
| 05:40.34 | cthulfuego | simonrvn: nm, ^L gave me 'uw-imapd' |
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| 05:47.01 | flex | i am cloning an HD on my lan using cat and gzip i have xload to check the HD activity, is there anyway to check the progress of the transfer? |
| 05:47.27 | stouse1 | flex: check disk usage? |
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| 05:47.36 | ethics | flex: um check the zip size make a guess? |
| 05:47.58 | flex | i am trying to clone the whole HD, which 160 GB |
| 05:48.21 | ethics | flex: how full was the drive? |
| 05:48.34 | tracer | I restarted, it did not work, i then compared the lsmod from before i ran alsaconf and after, did not see and difference |
| 05:48.43 | tracer | any* |
| 05:48.49 | flex | probably like 20gb |
| 05:49.00 | jetdotnet | surely alsa didn't bork... again... |
| 05:49.11 | ethics | flex so EXpect the zip file to be around 12 Gig |
| 05:49.12 | jetdotnet | alsa is just great, ask anybody |
| 05:49.16 | Solet | ethics just checked, neither the hdd or the cd are on cs.. both are set appropratly with jumpers |
| 05:49.18 | jetdotnet | cept me |
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| 05:49.54 | flex | ok, it has been going for over 3 hrs |
| 05:50.14 | maher | flex: how big is the image file? |
| 05:50.22 | hydeph | would anyone be able to help me? i just switched from devfs to udev, and now my usb mouse gets bunged up when i try to start x, both /dev/input/mice and /dev/input/mouse0 respond to mouse movement, anyone have any ideas? |
| 05:50.34 | ethics | flex: how big s your cpu? |
| 05:51.12 | ethics | <hydeph>psaux? |
| 05:51.13 | jetdotnet | oh devfs and udev rock also |
| 05:51.41 | flex | ethics, 2.4 celeron, i ran cat /dev/hda | gzip -9 | nc -l -p 5030 on the src machine |
| 05:51.54 | valdyn | hydeph: do you have 2 mouse sections in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 05:52.08 | muaddib | brb |
| 05:52.23 | hydeph | valdyn : i used to |
| 05:52.36 | flex | ethics: and am using nc 192.168.0.1 5030 | gunzip > /dev/hda on the destination box |
| 05:53.03 | jm_ | flex: check interface statistics |
| 05:53.13 | valdyn | !mouse 2.6 |
| 05:53.14 | dpkg | [mouse 2.6] see: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199 |
| 05:53.30 | hydeph | thanks :) |
| 05:53.39 | ethics | flex: is theere harddisk activity on target? can you see packets moving? |
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| 05:53.52 | flex | yeah |
| 05:54.22 | jetdotnet | it's broken |
| 05:54.27 | jetdotnet | give up |
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| 05:54.56 | jetdotnet | be 'THe Quitter' |
| 05:55.55 | hydeph | valdyn : the thing is, the 2nd entry has always been commented out. |
| 05:56.12 | hydeph | so i don't see why it would be a problem |
| 05:56.19 | valdyn | hydeph: if it is commented out then its not a problem |
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| 05:56.50 | hydeph | yea, but why doesn't xorg pick up my mouse? |
| 05:57.13 | jetdotnet | heh |
| 05:57.17 | jetdotnet | zorg is evil |
| 05:57.25 | cthulfuego | Coz you buggered up debian by installing non-debian software? |
| 05:57.25 | jetdotnet | didn't you see the movie? |
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| 05:58.33 | Gnea | !xorg |
| 05:58.33 | dpkg | i guess xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages and the testing-proposed-updates infrastructure are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. See also: 'get xorg' |
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| 06:02.57 | jetdotnet | hmm ie doesn't do .xhtml |
| 06:03.19 | cthulfuego | Of course it does |
| 06:03.38 | Gnea | but ie sucks and we don't care |
| 06:03.56 | cthulfuego | Sadly our clients all use IE and demand their sites wotk with it. |
| 06:04.04 | jetdotnet | can't tell that it does... it will d/l it fine. |
| 06:04.05 | Gnea | then we care |
| 06:04.16 | Gnea | they will realize in time |
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| 06:04.26 | jetdotnet | functions in ff though |
| 06:04.34 | cthulfuego | jetdotnet: it renders xhtml pages just dandy. if it wants to d/l you didn't set up apache correctly. |
| 06:04.44 | Gnea | right |
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| 06:04.55 | jetdotnet | ahh then http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans didn't set up apache properly |
| 06:05.06 | jetdotnet | ok |
| 06:05.16 | cthulfuego | It should give a text/html mimetype |
| 06:05.39 | Gnea | so don't use ie then |
| 06:05.50 | jetdotnet | that's a thought |
| 06:06.02 | Gnea | and a reality |
| 06:06.11 | cthulfuego | Too late now, you've used it; that means you have spyware and viruses now. |
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| 06:06.22 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 06:06.44 | jetdotnet | heh ... i doubt it. but, if i do, i can just unzip the base image |
| 06:06.52 | jetdotnet | again |
| 06:06.52 | cthulfuego | opera works fine |
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| 06:07.15 | jetdotnet | (and reboot 50 billion times after that) |
| 06:07.35 | jetdotnet | pita |
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| 06:08.25 | bignose | eek |
| 06:08.32 | bignose | aptitude is segfaulting on me |
| 06:08.40 | bignose | as is apt-get install |
| 06:08.42 | lomba2 | hell moning |
| 06:08.56 | jetdotnet | !dselect |
| 06:08.56 | dpkg | methinks dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 06:09.05 | bignose | what diagnosis can I do about that? |
| 06:09.36 | Gnea | bignose: probably hardware failure |
| 06:09.37 | jetdotnet | take them down to the common denominator |
| 06:09.47 | maher | bignose: strace it |
| 06:10.07 | maher | bignose: use debsums to check for corrupt files |
| 06:10.10 | mike4263 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.12 | bignose | strace tells me it segfaults shortly after closing /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and trying to mmap |
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| 06:10.39 | bignose | maher: do I need to install debsums? if so, catch-22 |
| 06:10.51 | jetdotnet | iirc yes |
| 06:11.02 | maher | bignose: does dpkg still work? |
| 06:11.10 | bignose | maher: what should I try? |
| 06:11.12 | jetdotnet | packages.debian.org , dpkg -i |
| 06:11.20 | bignose | ah yes |
| 06:11.43 | jetdotnet | see if dselect functions |
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| 06:12.19 | Gnea | bignose: does your system have thermal sensors? |
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| 06:12.31 | bignose | Gnea: nope |
| 06:12.40 | Gnea | bignose: oldie? |
| 06:12.49 | bignose | jetdotnet: dselect runs, I have no idea how to drive it |
| 06:12.53 | bignose | Gnea: yep |
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| 06:13.05 | jetdotnet | his box would be crashing all the time imo, if it was a heat related problem being triggered by that little bit of proc power |
| 06:13.06 | Gnea | bignose: *shrug* |
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| 06:13.19 | jetdotnet | ymmv |
| 06:13.31 | Gnea | jetdotnet: i've seen different things happen to different boxen. YODC. |
| 06:13.44 | jetdotnet | bignose: jsut do the update packages, go to select, hit / search for debsums, hit the +, hit enter |
| 06:13.52 | jetdotnet | !yodc |
| 06:13.57 | jetdotnet | hmmm |
| 06:13.57 | Gnea | heh heh heh. |
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| 06:14.29 | bignose | debsums is only in unstable. what's the replacement in testing? |
| 06:14.40 | bignose | s/only in unstable/onlin in stable/ |
| 06:14.44 | bignose | bah |
| 06:14.49 | jetdotnet | !info debsums sarge |
| 06:15.00 | dpkg | debsums: (Verify installed package files against MD5 checksums.), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.16 (sarge), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 06:15.18 | jetdotnet | -_- |
| 06:15.22 | bignose | only shows up in stable, from a p.d.o search |
| 06:15.27 | jetdotnet | ah |
| 06:15.33 | jetdotnet | what about dselect |
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| 06:15.40 | jetdotnet | just a thought |
| 06:15.50 | user_ | is htere a 7z archiver for debian? |
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| 06:15.57 | Gnea | bignose: perhaps your deb line is incomplete |
| 06:15.59 | jetdotnet | unzip |
| 06:16.05 | chealer | !tell user_ about 7z |
| 06:16.06 | bignose | and yet, there it is <URL:http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/debsums> |
| 06:16.24 | jetdotnet | and zip i guess |
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| 06:16.46 | Gnea | bignose: what do you have for your main deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 06:17.09 | user_ | chealer thanks |
| 06:17.12 | jetdotnet | 7z does all kinds of archives though, so ... |
| 06:17.25 | chealer | bignose: would you only be searching in stable? |
| 06:17.36 | jetdotnet | file roller and all the archive programs seems to function here |
| 06:17.37 | bignose | chealer: mmmmmaybe :-) |
| 06:18.08 | bignose | 'dpkg -i debsums_2.0.16_all.deb' succeeds |
| 06:18.21 | jetdotnet | \o/ |
| 06:18.39 | jetdotnet | i need a life.. oh wait, i have one. |
| 06:18.53 | Solet | what type of file system should my boot partition be? |
| 06:19.03 | bignose | Solet: simple |
| 06:19.08 | pwned | Solet: something stable and easily mounted |
| 06:19.08 | bignose | Solet: ext3 is fine |
| 06:19.10 | Gnea | Solet: one that can be read and bootable |
| 06:19.28 | bignose | Solet: it has none of the characteristics requiring more complex filesystems |
| 06:19.35 | Solet | bignose: ext3 journaling filesystem will work? |
| 06:19.36 | jetdotnet | do you really need a seperate /boot part? |
| 06:19.49 | Gnea | sometimes |
| 06:19.53 | bignose | Solet: any filesystem will work if your kernel supports it |
| 06:20.06 | jetdotnet | i meant that specifically for his situ |
| 06:20.08 | Solet | that really tells me nothing :/ |
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| 06:20.18 | jetdotnet | EXT |
| 06:20.18 | pwned | Solet: that tells you that it will work. |
| 06:20.19 | bignose | Solet: why do you think it would not work? |
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| 06:20.38 | Solet | i dont... i honestly have no idea |
| 06:20.39 | bignose | Solet: if your kernel supports ext3, if your bootloader supports ext3, it will work. |
| 06:20.40 | Gnea | Solet: what are you looking for, exactly? special bootloader support? |
| 06:20.53 | bignose | Solet: both grub and lilo have supported ext3 for a long while |
| 06:20.55 | jetdotnet | why do you need a seperate /boot |
| 06:21.04 | Solet | no... i'm installing and it asked me a question i couldnt answer |
| 06:21.20 | Gnea | jetdotnet: why *not* a separate /boot? |
| 06:21.30 | bignose | Gnea: it's more complex |
| 06:21.44 | jetdotnet | either/or, just answer the question(s) solet |
| 06:21.44 | bignose | Gnea: and is unnecessary on modern BIOS systems |
| 06:21.47 | Bogaurd | i've just added a 200gb hard drive to my debian woody box, but it seems to have the 137gb limitation. seeing as it's not being detected by the bios at all (i told it to ignore), and i'm letting the software do the detection, can i overcome the limitation in software? |
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| 06:22.00 | Gnea | bignose: i know, i wanted to see if i could get a straight answer out of him instead of someone else |
| 06:22.20 | Gnea | apparantly that's not possible |
| 06:22.24 | jetdotnet | never, if i can avoid it |
| 06:22.28 | bignose | maher: debsums appears to run, is there anything I should do to highlight errors? |
| 06:22.28 | danikata | hi all |
| 06:22.30 | Gnea | pussy |
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| 06:22.33 | zamolxes | spammer alert MoniTor |
| 06:22.38 | zamolxes | :) |
| 06:22.44 | maher | bignose: run it on apt |
| 06:22.45 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:22.47 | Solet | bogaurd: there may be a jumper labled 'cap' on the back of your hd that is set |
| 06:22.56 | danikata | how to add debian non-free repository package ? |
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| 06:23.03 | zamolxes | apparently there are free porno videos available |
| 06:23.13 | jetdotnet | danikata: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:23.15 | bignose | maher: 'OK' all down the list. |
| 06:23.16 | maher | zamolxes: on the internet? are you sure? |
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| 06:23.17 | Bogaurd | nope, it's a wd drive, only the standard jumpers =/ |
| 06:23.23 | zamolxes | maher: that's what the guy sais |
| 06:23.25 | Gnea | zamolxes: hook us up |
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| 06:23.42 | zamolxes | i'm gonna look into this |
| 06:23.49 | cthulfuego | !icbm MoniTor onjoin spam |
| 06:23.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: MoniTor onjoin spam [at 75.4N 24.2W] |
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| 06:23.53 | bignose | yikes |
| 06:23.57 | maher | bignose: its something else then |
| 06:23.59 | jetdotnet | apt-get install pornview first eh |
| 06:24.01 | bignose | I think I'm looking at intermittent hardware troubles |
| 06:24.07 | bignose | now aptitude runs fine |
| 06:24.10 | bignose | :-/ |
| 06:24.12 | ircbot_ | wtf is with monitor? |
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| 06:24.28 | pwned | shut up. Who are you to question other bots |
| 06:24.35 | cthulfuego | ircbot_: spammer, being dealt with |
| 06:24.42 | Gnea | lol |
| 06:24.50 | jetdotnet | !lart somebody |
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| 06:25.13 | cthulfuego | Although it seems like those LAZY ASS OPS are asleep AGAIN |
| 06:25.15 | ircbot_ | cthulfuego: k. cool. |
| 06:25.18 | bignose | thanks for the diagnostic help guys |
| 06:25.20 | pwned | that's totally alien to someone who doesn't come from US "culture" |
| 06:25.26 | zamolxes | uh, apparently credit card information is required to verify my age. How thoughtful |
| 06:25.28 | bignose | apt, maher++ |
| 06:25.32 | cthulfuego | !cricket pwned |
| 06:25.34 | bignose | apt, jetdotnet++ |
| 06:25.40 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: is that cafuego? |
| 06:25.45 | Gnea | pwned: goodie gumdrops |
| 06:25.48 | pwned | thanks cthulfuego |
| 06:25.48 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: Muahahahaa! |
| 06:25.51 | pwned | I feel home now |
| 06:25.53 | Solet | rofl |
| 06:26.23 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: =) a fellow aussie then. |
| 06:26.48 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: I'm no aussie, I just live here. |
| 06:26.55 | pwned | however, where I come from, we play cirit |
| 06:27.00 | Bogaurd | well there you go. |
| 06:27.17 | pwned | cirit is the thing rambo was playing with afghans |
| 06:27.17 | Bogaurd | I'm french cthulfuego, how about you? |
| 06:27.25 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: Neerlandais |
| 06:27.32 | Bogaurd | cool |
| 06:27.36 | Gnea | I AM HUMAN |
| 06:27.37 | cthulfuego | Oui :-) |
| 06:27.41 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:27.45 | Bogaurd | =) |
| 06:27.47 | maher | Gnea: you're a bot |
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| 06:27.51 | Solet | gnea: lies |
| 06:27.53 | Bogaurd | i dont speak dutch =( |
| 06:27.57 | cthulfuego | Gnea: I thought you were from the US? How is that human? |
| 06:28.02 | bignose | heh |
| 06:28.06 | Solet | oh... pwned |
| 06:28.14 | Gnea | heh. |
| 06:28.21 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: That's OK, you just saw the extent of what I remeber from high school french. |
| 06:28.29 | Bogaurd | heh |
| 06:28.31 | zamolxes | Gnea: if you make a small incision in your left arm you will see all the fine circuitry |
| 06:28.44 | Gnea | zamolxes: yeah i know |
| 06:28.47 | ircbot_ | do they still make zauruses? |
| 06:28.51 | chealer | cthulfuego: if only I remembered as much spanish |
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| 06:28.55 | Solet | hrm... which 2.6 kernel do i want if i'm running a p4... i want the 2.6.8-2-386 right? |
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| 06:29.15 | jetdotnet | no, 686 |
| 06:29.17 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: you got any ideas if the 137gb hd barrier can be overcome through the OS on old hardware? |
| 06:29.23 | jetdotnet | i386 is more generic |
| 06:29.27 | cthulfuego | chealer: All the spanish you need on #debian is "uuahhahaaaa", if the emxicans are anything to go by. |
| 06:29.29 | jetdotnet | err -386 |
| 06:29.42 | jetdotnet | cayete guey |
| 06:29.50 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: Not without a cheap-ass ATA133 controller. |
| 06:30.01 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: really? |
| 06:30.10 | jetdotnet | Solet: 686 |
| 06:30.22 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: Yeah, you need a 48bit controller. Cheapie will do. |
| 06:30.25 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: even if the bios isnt doing the detecting? it cant be overcome? |
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| 06:30.37 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: argh damnit =X |
| 06:30.42 | Gnea | eh they both suck, just roll your own :) |
| 06:30.47 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: No, it's a controller limitation afaik. |
| 06:30.58 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: whats the approx cost of a cheap one here? |
| 06:31.11 | jetdotnet | linux bypasses bios, so why does the bios matter in this case? chipset? |
| 06:31.15 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: Which burb you in? |
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| 06:31.28 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: im in adelaide =) |
| 06:31.44 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: Semaphore though =) |
| 06:31.46 | jetdotnet | or is this the boot drive |
| 06:31.47 | streuner | !ops MoniTor on-join spambot |
| 06:31.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: MoniTor on-join spambot |
| 06:31.50 | *** part/#debian Electron (~brucec@82-41-12-253.cable.ubr02.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 06:31.58 | *** part/#debian bob2 (rob@202.174.101.196) |
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| 06:32.05 | jetdotnet | :::streuner::: don't like pron eh |
| 06:32.13 | jetdotnet | :p |
| 06:32.19 | ircbot_ | you know... as much as i'd like to have a palm, i can't think of any use i could make of it |
| 06:32.23 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 06:32.24 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.96.82.139] by bob2 |
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| 06:32.24 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 06:32.34 | jetdotnet | bob2 to the res-cue! |
| 06:32.42 | jetdotnet | !bob2++ |
| 06:32.44 | Gnea | bawb too |
| 06:32.48 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: A shithead Silicon Image 3112 should be obtainable for ~ $40 |
| 06:33.01 | Bogaurd | argh |
| 06:33.09 | cthulfuego | bob2: welcome to the land of the living |
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| 06:33.22 | Bogaurd | will that work out of the box with debian woody? i doubt it =( |
| 06:33.23 | jetdotnet | Bogaurd: did you check the manuf's website? |
| 06:33.26 | streuner | jetdotnet: I don't like uninvited guests ;-) |
| 06:33.34 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: Hmm dunno. Works fine with sarge, though. |
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| 06:33.37 | Solet | jetdotnet whats the difference between the 386 and the 686? |
| 06:33.39 | bob2 | cthulfuego: bleh |
| 06:33.40 | Bogaurd | jetdotnet: looking now |
| 06:33.43 | cthulfuego | Solet: 300 |
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| 06:33.47 | streuner | thanks |
| 06:34.00 | Gnea | heh |
| 06:34.01 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: What kernel you on? |
| 06:34.03 | simonrvn | @wb bob2 |
| 06:34.08 | ravenbird | Welcome back bob2, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 06:34.11 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego 2.4 |
| 06:34.12 | jetdotnet | solet iirc the -386 will do amd intel and lesser procs |
| 06:34.17 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: Specifically? |
| 06:34.24 | jetdotnet | Solet: optimizations |
| 06:34.26 | Xsquared | hi, is it possible to "unrar" a rar'd? What package do i need if so? |
| 06:34.32 | Xsquared | a rar'd file |
| 06:34.35 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: 'unrar' - it's in non-free. |
| 06:34.41 | bob2 | Xsquared: the unrar package, surprisingly |
| 06:34.41 | jetdotnet | Xsquared: rar -x iirc |
| 06:34.46 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: 2.4.18 if i remember correctly |
| 06:34.46 | Xsquared | non free. heh |
| 06:34.49 | bob2 | cthulfuego: unrar is in main, unrar-nonfree is non-free |
| 06:35.09 | cthulfuego | bob2: Oh really? That's not always been so, has it? |
| 06:35.15 | simonrvn | nope |
| 06:35.19 | bob2 | cthulfuego: changed 6 months ago or so |
| 06:35.20 | jetdotnet | it has for a wile |
| 06:35.27 | jetdotnet | that long of a while |
| 06:35.31 | cthulfuego | See how often I install unrar <heh> |
| 06:35.39 | Xsquared | Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 06:35.53 | jetdotnet | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:35.54 | chealer | strange, unrar isn't in testing |
| 06:35.56 | drac | Xsquared: use the search luke. |
| 06:35.58 | jetdotnet | ahh |
| 06:36.05 | jetdotnet | it's on marillat though |
| 06:36.05 | Xsquared | why is it not in testing? |
| 06:36.07 | jetdotnet | iirc |
| 06:36.08 | bob2 | Xsquared: sarge or sid only, of course |
| 06:36.11 | budluva | how do i set file extension associations? |
| 06:36.17 | chealer | ah, RC bug |
| 06:36.18 | jetdotnet | mimetypes |
| 06:36.20 | drac | unrar-nonfree |
| 06:37.03 | Xsquared | i've added marillat to my sources list |
| 06:37.07 | Xsquared | nothing is coming up |
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| 06:37.27 | jetdotnet | apt-get update ? |
| 06:37.41 | bob2 | hah, it's not in testing |
| 06:37.41 | drac | non-free in sources.list. |
| 06:37.43 | bob2 | haha unrar |
| 06:37.44 | Xsquared | im already up to date |
| 06:37.52 | Xsquared | i hate rar'd files |
| 06:37.54 | xelam | don't expect unrar to work with winrar archives |
| 06:38.06 | bob2 | just get unrar-nonfree |
| 06:38.06 | cthulfuego | Not with recent ones anyway, no. |
| 06:38.07 | drac | !info unrar-nonfree sarge |
| 06:38.09 | dpkg | unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.3.6-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 174 kB |
| 06:38.29 | jetdotnet | apt-cache search rar |
| 06:38.37 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: its kinda important that i get this running in the next 8 hours or so... and theres about 80gb of data to copy on. if i just leave it being detected as 137gb, is there any risk of data corruption? |
| 06:38.45 | cthulfuego | For i = 0 to UBound(objProp.arrStatus) |
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| 06:39.10 | Shriek | hello |
| 06:39.12 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: Probably not, provided you don't attempt to write more data to it. |
| 06:39.13 | user_ | rar, unrar works just fine for me |
| 06:39.19 | Shriek | you guys like Debian, right? |
| 06:39.27 | streuner | heh |
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| 06:39.30 | Xsquared | Shriek: rofl |
| 06:39.33 | mwilson | Oh, yummy, here we go. |
| 06:39.35 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: You COULD copy the data off, then resize the partition so it's under the 137GB limit. |
| 06:39.36 | jetdotnet | Bogaurd: you checked to see if a bios update for your box was available eh |
| 06:39.37 | user_ | Shriek no, we just use it :) |
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| 06:39.40 | simonrvn | go away troll |
| 06:39.41 | Shriek | anyway, I was just curious |
| 06:39.41 | streuner | troll-time |
| 06:39.42 | jetdotnet | mwilson! |
| 06:39.43 | Xsquared | Shriek: i don't like it, thats why i spend my time in here |
| 06:39.49 | Shriek | what makes LinSux better than WinBlows? |
| 06:39.55 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: hmm that'd be an issue - it's going to be part of a linear raid. =( |
| 06:40.14 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: Honestly, go out and buy a cheap controller - be faster, too. |
| 06:40.17 | simonrvn | ignored :) |
| 06:40.19 | Xsquared | Shriek: cause your uncool |
| 06:40.25 | mwilson | Shriek: You know, you didn't have to come here to demonstrate your stupidity. |
| 06:40.30 | jetdotnet | what is linsux... you and that guy lin? |
| 06:40.31 | simonrvn | peace returns |
| 06:40.33 | streuner | Don't feed the troll |
| 06:40.34 | xelam | what's this "LinSux"? |
| 06:40.35 | Bogaurd | jetdotnet: yep had a look, but dont have mobo model no on hand. will check again when i get home. |
| 06:40.42 | Gnea | Shriek: stability, ability to run on more than one platform, HRFYD |
| 06:40.54 | cthulfuego | Shriek: What do you mean by "better" ? |
| 06:41.02 | Shriek | read a bloody dictionary |
| 06:41.05 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: i will buy one =) mighnt be able to tonight though. |
| 06:41.13 | cthulfuego | !dict better |
| 06:41.13 | simonrvn | @tell Shriek -about smart questions |
| 06:41.15 | Gnea | must be a BSD luser |
| 06:41.18 | dpkg | Dictionary 'better' (4 of 92): 3. In a higher or greater degree; more; as, to love one better than another. ;; 3. Kind; benevolent; humane; merciful; gracious; polite; propitious; friendly; well-disposed; -- often followed by to or toward, also formerly by unto. ;; 3. To surpass in excellence; to exceed; to excel. ;; All the better. See under All, adv.. |
| 06:41.19 | simonrvn | @tell Shriek -about better |
| 06:41.24 | simonrvn | @tell Shriek -about troll |
| 06:41.25 | jetdotnet | gee which is better... a butcher knife or a throwing knife? |
| 06:41.34 | cthulfuego | Shriek: "In a higher or greater degree" WHAT ? |
| 06:41.36 | jetdotnet | wtf do you wanna do with the knife dumbass |
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| 06:41.54 | Gnea | which is better... some college student with no real life experience or someone who's been in the market? |
| 06:42.01 | cthulfuego | Gnea: 42 |
| 06:42.03 | Shriek | i mean, why do you guys use linsux instead of windoze? |
| 06:42.05 | Gnea | cthulfuego: hehehe |
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| 06:42.29 | xelam | I never heard of linsux :| |
| 06:42.31 | Xsquared | Shriek: because your homosexual? |
| 06:42.32 | xelam | am I missing out? |
| 06:42.32 | jetdotnet | i don't, i use linux and windows though |
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| 06:42.41 | Shriek | Xsquared, "you're" |
| 06:42.52 | raf256 | (how to check) with package provide dos2unix unix2dos programs? |
| 06:42.52 | cthulfuego | Shriek: I use Linux and not Windows, because Linux is more suited for serving hundreds of websites and mail domains off a single machine. |
| 06:42.54 | jetdotnet | xelam: it's an offshoot of lindows i guess |
| 06:43.04 | xelam | ah right |
| 06:43.05 | Shriek | linblows? |
| 06:43.14 | xelam | Friek |
| 06:43.15 | xelam | ho ho ho |
| 06:43.18 | Gnea | Shriek: you speak of things that do not exist. |
| 06:43.21 | jetdotnet | just kick him god |
| 06:43.28 | cthulfuego | Shriek: So "better" will depend on what you actually DO with it. |
| 06:43.39 | Shriek | i like playing directx games |
| 06:43.40 | Xsquared | please someone kick him |
| 06:43.51 | cthulfuego | Shriek: if you want to play the latest 3D games, linux is not "better". |
| 06:43.55 | simonrvn | um, people, this Shriek is succeeding at trolling all of you... |
| 06:44.02 | streuner | That's surely a troll who like to get kicked ... :-) |
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| 06:44.12 | jetdotnet | s/just\ kick\ him\ god/just\ kick\ him,\ god/ |
| 06:44.32 | raf256 | !smite Shriek |
| 06:44.39 | bob2 | good work |
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| 06:44.59 | bob2 | instead of just laughing at Shriek's bored-14-year-old-ness, you're actually getting riled up |
| 06:45.02 | bob2 | awesome work |
| 06:45.11 | directhex | i stayed out of it |
| 06:45.12 | jetdotnet | i love shriek |
| 06:45.13 | directhex | !win me |
| 06:45.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, directhex! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 06:45.26 | cthulfuego | Shriek is my son, i can hardly ignore it :-P |
| 06:45.28 | bob2 | raf256: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 06:45.31 | Gnea | bob2: at least we now know what sort of shitheads are coming out of Johns Hopkins Uni |
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| 06:45.41 | Shriek | what's the best linsux distro if you're new ? |
| 06:45.53 | bob2 | Shriek: stop being such a pathetic little child |
| 06:46.01 | jetdotnet | the 'yo mamma' distro |
| 06:46.04 | bob2 | Shriek: do you really have nothing better to do with your time? |
| 06:46.27 | Gnea | oh wait |
| 06:46.32 | Gnea | that's in maryland |
| 06:46.37 | Gnea | whole state's full of 'em |
| 06:46.42 | bob2 | oh yes, ctcp version me |
| 06:46.45 | bob2 | that's useful |
| 06:46.48 | Gnea | there goes the neighborhood |
| 06:47.16 | Xsquared | if u wanna be cool use the "LOLOKSTFUN00B" distro |
| 06:47.21 | simonrvn | -Shriek- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 [SilvereX] Windows 5.1 [i1586/2.00GHz] |
| 06:47.26 | bob2 | jetdotnet: oh stop being so damn whiney |
| 06:47.32 | bob2 | jetdotnet: I kick you once, for being a moron |
| 06:47.40 | Gnea | simonrvn: i wonder what kind of drugs he's on right now |
| 06:47.42 | jetdotnet | i love you man |
| 06:47.45 | Shriek | why exactly is my version of any significance? |
| 06:47.50 | directhex | Xsquared, overclockix? |
| 06:47.51 | streuner | simonrvn: well, s(he) use xchat at least... |
| 06:47.54 | Solet | http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=beginners+guide+to+linux |
| 06:47.55 | simonrvn | i think he needs to change dealer |
| 06:47.59 | jetdotnet | i was being serious though.... :) |
| 06:48.04 | Gnea | Shriek: everything. |
| 06:48.15 | cthulfuego | Shriek: I bet bob2 wonders about that too. |
| 06:48.17 | Shriek | actually i'm a long time gentoo user |
| 06:48.23 | Shriek | i just like antagonizing you guys |
| 06:48.23 | bob2 | shock/horror |
| 06:48.24 | Gnea | wrong. |
| 06:48.29 | streuner | here we go... |
| 06:48.31 | xelam | he faked it; should say mirc :| |
| 06:48.31 | cthulfuego | bob2: <heh> |
| 06:48.36 | bob2 | Retarded troll uses gentoo! |
| 06:48.39 | bob2 | how novel |
| 06:48.44 | cthulfuego | xelam: mine does, but then, I'm special. |
| 06:48.45 | Gnea | in maryland! |
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| 06:48.55 | xelam | o.O |
| 06:48.59 | chealer | bob2: we should record that news somewhere |
| 06:49.01 | cthulfuego | xelam: there is an x-chat for windows though, i think. |
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| 06:49.05 | bob2 | Shriek: you have no friends or family? |
| 06:49.11 | bob2 | Shriek: annoying strangers on irc is all you have? |
| 06:49.12 | Shriek | i don't suppose any of you have experience writing gnome-panel applets? |
| 06:49.15 | xelam | i know |
| 06:49.16 | karsten | bob2: He's your love child. |
| 06:49.23 | cthulfuego | Shriek: I do actually. |
| 06:49.33 | Gnea | egads, gnome?! |
| 06:49.43 | Shriek | if i want to show a menu on left click, do I use a menubar, or can I attach a menu directly to the applet, or what? |
| 06:49.50 | Shriek | i'm a little confused about how adding widgets works |
| 06:50.17 | Gnea | i bet he's loooking up all sorts of linux coding questions on google to ask these |
| 06:50.20 | cthulfuego | i think that's a topic for #gnome |
| 06:50.25 | Shriek | there's a #gnome ? |
| 06:50.40 | cthulfuego | You mean you didn't bother checking? |
| 06:50.44 | Shriek | seems likely to be a tech support chan though, rather than a coding chan :\ |
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| 06:51.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 06:51.07 | Gnea | ahhaha |
| 06:51.08 | directhex | that took longer than neccessary |
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| 06:51.10 | Gnea | nice |
| 06:51.21 | Solet | shriek: i dont suppose you have any experience in asking questions.... ie. comming in and trolling is a bad idea if you accually want help... come to think of it.. trolling is a bad idea because its just annoying as fuck anyway |
| 06:51.22 | simonrvn | directhex: aye |
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| 06:51.26 | xelam | <noob question> is that a freenode "kick"? |
| 06:51.31 | Shriek | i don't really care if you help me or not |
| 06:51.34 | Shriek | but as long as i'm here... |
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| 06:51.51 | simonrvn | it's a /quote remove, or /remove for short |
| 06:52.03 | xelam | hmmn |
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| 06:52.10 | Gnea | that is all |
| 06:52.14 | directhex | i think someone is under the mistaken impression that they're a "customer", that they have some "right" to support |
| 06:52.15 | Gnea | Xsquared: yes? |
| 06:52.29 | Solet | hrm... who'd he flood? or was that just in anticipation of the incoming flood? |
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| 06:52.39 | cthulfuego | directhex: I think all "customers" somehow have that idea |
| 06:52.40 | jetdotnet | it's a stock reason |
| 06:52.48 | Xsquared | Gnea? |
| 06:52.53 | jetdotnet | they have a list or something that's easy to choose from |
| 06:52.55 | Gnea | Xsquared: you pinged me |
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| 06:53.03 | cthulfuego | I imagine it will shortly PI or GNAA spam. |
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| 06:53.05 | Gnea | Xsquared: after you left the channel |
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| 06:53.17 | Xsquared | Gnea: sorry, i wasn't receiving any data |
| 06:53.28 | Gnea | Xsquared: :) |
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| 06:53.42 | Xsquared | Gnea: i just pinged you cause you were the first nick i saw on the screen |
| 06:53.54 | Gnea | that's cool |
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| 06:55.18 | Gnea | yes, i'm running third eye ok? |
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| 06:55.48 | cthulfuego | Gnea: I accidentally typed '/ver gea' and hit return. Oops! |
| 06:55.55 | Gnea | uh huh |
| 06:56.06 | Gnea | heh |
| 06:56.16 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 06:56.22 | Gnea | >:) |
| 06:56.34 | jetdotnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.48 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: my router is dropping me continuously. thats why. ok. |
| 06:56.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:56.59 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: /help sping |
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| 06:57.14 | Gnea | fuckers |
| 06:57.19 | simonrvn | he leaves just so he won't get larted ;p |
| 06:57.20 | Gnea | made me forget the argument :P |
| 06:57.24 | jetdotnet | fark i didn't have hide version set |
| 06:57.28 | Gnea | no, to stop the flood |
| 06:57.29 | cthulfuego | Gnea: Pfff ;-) |
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| 06:57.39 | Gnea | now it's offscreen |
| 06:57.46 | Gnea | sorry about that |
| 06:58.00 | jetdotnet | oh. you ping the world and won't look at your share. ok. |
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| 06:58.08 | Gnea | wrong. |
| 06:58.11 | Gumby | has anyone here had issues with firefox and flash pages completely crashing firefox (lately)? |
| 06:58.25 | jetdotnet | ff crashing? unheard of! |
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| 06:58.27 | simonrvn | a) don't use flash b) problem solved |
| 06:58.27 | cthulfuego | Gumby: yes, for a couple of months now. |
| 06:58.27 | streuner | Gumby: BTS? |
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| 06:58.32 | Gumby | started about 4 weeks ago and havnt been able to figure out why |
| 06:58.38 | Gumby | streuner: BTS? |
| 06:58.42 | cthulfuego | Gumby: notably when LEAVING a page with flash on it. |
| 06:58.45 | jetdotnet | !bts |
| 06:58.45 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 06:58.47 | HobNob | hm has anyone had the chance to use DB2? |
| 06:58.51 | streuner | !btssmite Gumby |
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| 06:59.48 | Gumby | cthulfuego: it crashes as soon as the page loads for me. |
| 06:59.56 | Gumby | guess I'll check the "BTS" |
| 06:59.58 | Guerin_ | blame macromedia |
| 07:00.11 | streuner | hm |
| 07:00.20 | jm_ | you can blame Adobe now ;) |
| 07:00.20 | jetdotnet | uninstall macromedia products |
| 07:00.25 | Guerin_ | oh, true |
| 07:00.28 | Solet | why does the sarge install use aptitude |
| 07:00.30 | Guerin_ | another thing to blame adobe for |
| 07:00.31 | CW_Mepis | hi all |
| 07:00.42 | simonrvn | even more reason to avoid adobe |
| 07:00.48 | Guerin_ | Solet: becasue it's the new great shiny package management tool? |
| 07:00.49 | Gumby | doesnt happen in any other browser other than firefox |
| 07:01.02 | Guerin_ | Gumby: use a browser other than firefox. |
| 07:01.07 | streuner | jm_: they bought macromedia? |
| 07:01.13 | Guerin_ | shore did |
| 07:01.21 | xelam | irc.mozilla.org #firefox ;) |
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| 07:01.40 | jm_ | streuner: yup, last week I think |
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| 07:01.56 | Gumby | Guerin: I am having to, but thats not a great solution. thats like telling someone to use a distro other than debian if they cant get something to work out of the box |
| 07:02.01 | karsten | WRT Adobe/Macromedia: http://daringfireball.net/2005/04/adobe_translation |
| 07:02.04 | jetdotnet | yeah a good pairing, like2like |
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| 07:02.23 | karsten | !tell Solet about aptitude |
| 07:02.34 | jetdotnet | !fuck aptitude |
| 07:02.37 | jetdotnet | oops |
| 07:02.39 | Guerin_ | Gumby: whatever. Try running a mozilla.org static build of firefox, see if it behaves the same. |
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| 07:03.01 | Guerin_ | wouldn't that be bunny-style? |
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| 07:03.26 | bob2 | can you try to maintain some sort of basice sense of non-stupidity? |
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| 07:03.43 | jetdotnet | not now! |
| 07:04.22 | Guerin_ | karsten: well, you of all people should be. |
| 07:04.29 | karsten | Guerin_: ;-) |
| 07:04.31 | jetdotnet | i'd be asleep now, but i took too long of a nap :( |
| 07:04.58 | karsten | Guerin_: Y'know, if Korea had invented this damned stuff, like they're acting they did, we'd all be calling it kimchee. |
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| 07:05.11 | Guerin | fucking autojoin, grrr |
| 07:05.16 | karsten | Heh. |
| 07:05.27 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:05.30 | jetdotnet | gee i wonder who turned it on... |
| 07:05.37 | jetdotnet | :p |
| 07:05.47 | Solet | whats the bus id for agp ports i cant remember |
| 07:05.48 | Guerin | koreans love their spam... the tinned meat-by-product kind as well as the other kind |
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| 07:05.56 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.05 | karsten | Linux Terminal Server Project (which you knew) ... |
| 07:06.07 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.16 | Sonderblade | is debian's binaries prelinked? |
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| 07:06.19 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.26 | cthulfuego | Sonderblade: No. |
| 07:06.28 | karsten | Sonderblade: Generally not. |
| 07:06.39 | jetdotnet | very nice people |
| 07:06.39 | Sonderblade | why not? Doesnt other distros prelink? |
| 07:06.44 | Guerin | karsten: and now for "Useless Fact of the Day, with the one and only, Karsten M. Self!" |
| 07:06.54 | karsten | Sonderblade: Maked deps more difficult. |
| 07:06.56 | cthulfuego | Sonderblade: Why should they be? |
| 07:07.06 | karsten | Sonderblade: If you prelink, and *any* prelinked dep changes, you've got to relink. |
| 07:07.10 | Guerin | Sonderblade: there are a few packages you CAN prelink |
| 07:07.18 | idnar | you can install the prelink package and do it yourself |
| 07:07.24 | Sonderblade | cthulfuego: speeds up loading |
| 07:07.34 | karsten | Sonderblade: IIRC there's some speed / perf stuff you can do along these lines. OO.o IIRC, but I'm way hazy. |
| 07:07.43 | karsten | Guerin: It's my prime marketable skill. |
| 07:07.50 | Guerin | Sonderblade: yeah, oo.o has a special prelink thing\ |
| 07:07.51 | karsten | Guerin: Unfortunately ... |
| 07:07.55 | Guerin | karsten: mine too. |
| 07:07.59 | karsten | Guerin: ... not much in the way of prime, marketable, or skill. |
| 07:08.00 | lomba2 | hello debian is suport power3 IBM |
| 07:09.11 | karsten | !tell lomba2 about ports |
| 07:09.11 | jetdotnet | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
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| 07:10.04 | karsten | lomba2: I think the direct answer is no. |
| 07:10.12 | SlayerXP | the most amusing thing about this is that most people who insists that prelinking is better wouldn't know a performance bottleneck if someone glassed them with one |
| 07:10.17 | jetdotnet | sarge yes |
| 07:10.29 | jetdotnet | power3 IBM RS6000 |
| 07:10.40 | cthulfuego | Sonderblade: I doubt it makes any noticable difference on my machines. |
| 07:10.41 | pwned | hm. This uwm is nice. No icons, no title bars, nice right click menu, snappy interactive window placement |
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| 07:11.03 | pwned | I wonder if there is a wm out there which doesn't allow overlapping of windows |
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| 07:11.25 | karsten | lomba2: See: http://www.debian.org/ports/s390/ |
| 07:11.31 | bob2 | pwned: ion |
| 07:11.34 | karsten | lomba2: ...though I'm not sure that's what you're looking for. |
| 07:11.42 | karsten | pwned: matchbox. |
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| 07:12.04 | streuner | !info matchbox |
| 07:12.09 | dpkg | matchbox: (base environment for resource-limited systems), section embedded, is optional. Version: 1:2 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 07:12.11 | karsten | pwned: ...as well as emacs ;-) |
| 07:12.21 | Paganist | By some luck... anyone knows how the virtual_route information in a vrrp_instance entry of a keepalived conf file works ? |
| 07:12.22 | karsten | pwned: ...and screen and console. However twin does allow overlaps. |
| 07:12.31 | jetdotnet | karsten lomba2 : http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 07:12.31 | pwned | emacs is ok, but it doesn't have an editor =P |
| 07:12.52 | karsten | pwned: s/an/a decent/ |
| 07:12.54 | Guerin | jesus |
| 07:12.56 | jetdotnet | according to that, s390!=power3 ibm |
| 07:13.04 | Guerin | all you fucking idiots spearding fud about emacs |
| 07:13.10 | streuner | Guerin: hehe :-) |
| 07:13.17 | jetdotnet | i never installed emacs |
| 07:13.17 | Guerin | it has shitloads of editors, just no KERNEL!@ |
| 07:13.21 | jetdotnet | or xmacs |
| 07:13.34 | cthulfuego | Guerin: M-x load kernel.el |
| 07:13.43 | Guerin | cthulfuego: <wait several hours> |
| 07:13.57 | cthulfuego | Guerin: not my fault you only have 4GB of ram |
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| 07:14.08 | pwned | Guerin: it has!? I only found the irc client, news and web browser and the mail client |
| 07:14.12 | karsten | Guerin: Is it true that emacs is really the hurd? |
| 07:14.25 | Guerin | pwned: it even has vi, for you vidiots who can't get enough |
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| 07:14.31 | pwned | huhu |
| 07:14.33 | Guerin | you know |
| 07:14.43 | jetdotnet | hd's should be imaged to ramdisks on_boot, and run off that |
| 07:14.46 | Guerin | those of you who want to drive your porsche 911 around the block once a week |
| 07:15.07 | cthulfuego | Guerin: it's not that i don't like emacs, it's that any task you use it for ends up taking twice as long as when you'd have used vim. |
| 07:15.21 | pwned | hey I am not the one who brought it up |
| 07:15.44 | Guerin | cthulfuego: bah |
| 07:15.46 | cthulfuego | besides, i sold the 911 and ordered a DB9. |
| 07:15.48 | karsten | Guerin: I just discovered an XMMS interface for emacs this week. |
| 07:15.57 | Guerin | karsten: old hat. |
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| 07:16.22 | phigan | I'm havin a problem with incoming calls from Stanaphone |
| 07:16.28 | phigan | Apr 26 00:14:51 WARNING[14485]: app.c:619 ast_play_and_record: No audio available on SIP/3473288515-50ee?? |
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| 07:16.32 | phigan | not sure why |
| 07:16.38 | Guerin | !info stanaphone |
| 07:16.39 | cthulfuego | phigan: Install emacs, it will take care of everything. |
| 07:16.43 | karsten | Guerin: no match |
| 07:16.48 | _joey | Created reisers on 200G hdd, almost 5G is overhead. Is that how it should be? |
| 07:16.48 | Guerin | not in debian? |
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| 07:16.55 | Guerin | i've never heard of it |
| 07:16.57 | cthulfuego | _joey: reiser bad |
| 07:17.03 | phigan | cthulfuego: Why didn't I think of that? |
| 07:17.08 | karsten | pwned: pwm is another paned WM. |
| 07:17.18 | karsten | pwned: IIRC ratpoison's also similar in concept. |
| 07:17.20 | cthulfuego | phigan: You;re an amateur wheras I'm a pro? |
| 07:17.27 | Paganist | _joey: journal ? |
| 07:17.32 | phigan | cthulfuego: I've been trying vi all this time. |
| 07:17.32 | _joey | cthulfuego It's good enough to be used by sourceforge on 50% of their servers |
| 07:17.47 | karsten | Guerin: I know the *one* truely essential Emacs command. |
| 07:17.53 | cthulfuego | _joey: On the left, you'll notice SF is shit too. |
| 07:17.54 | Guerin | _joey: those servers have VERY redundant power... do yours? |
| 07:17.56 | karsten | Guerin: C-x C-c |
| 07:18.05 | Guerin | karsten: hah |
| 07:18.07 | Solet | i'd just like to take this time to say: |
| 07:18.14 | cthulfuego | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.18 | Solet | I FUCKING HATE THE DEBIAN INSTAL PROCESS |
| 07:18.19 | _joey | Guerin so why using it at all? |
| 07:18.24 | karsten | Guerin: One of my students.... |
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| 07:18.36 | karsten | Guerin: ...had to reboot his computer to quit vim the other day. |
| 07:18.41 | phigan | has anyone had any experience connecting multiple analog phones (say, a whole house) to one of those analog voip adapters? |
| 07:18.44 | Guerin | _joey: people believe the hype. |
| 07:18.47 | jetdotnet | Solet: sarge installer is great |
| 07:18.49 | cthulfuego | emacs *IS* MS Outlook! |
| 07:18.51 | karsten | Solet: Thank you for sharing. |
| 07:18.55 | jetdotnet | Solet: expert26 |
| 07:19.01 | Guerin | _joey: if you care even remotely about your data, use something else. |
| 07:19.05 | Solet | jet: thats what i did... its evil |
| 07:19.06 | Xsquared | i like jed. |
| 07:19.09 | Solet | all of it evil |
| 07:19.10 | karsten | cthulfuego: No, no, no. |
| 07:19.10 | jetdotnet | cept it installs craptitude |
| 07:19.13 | Guerin | cthulfuego: nasty. |
| 07:19.18 | karsten | cthulfuego: Emacs is GNU LookOut! |
| 07:19.19 | _joey | Guerin somehow I'd trust admin from sourceforge than a regular troll on irc |
| 07:19.24 | Solet | i cant even figure out where my dselect went |
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| 07:19.33 | cthulfuego | karsten: No, it's MS-fuckin-Outlook |
| 07:19.39 | karsten | Solet: It went away. |
| 07:19.42 | Solet | its installing a bunch of shit i never told it to install |
| 07:19.46 | Solet | dselect is gone? |
| 07:19.47 | jetdotnet | Paganist: the docs say take the installer up to the partitioning pint, then shell out and chroot for that |
| 07:19.51 | cthulfuego | karsten: a *text editor* with arbitrary code execution? |
| 07:19.55 | jetdotnet | s/pint/point/ |
| 07:19.55 | Guerin | Solet: they call it "base and standard" |
| 07:19.57 | SlayerXP | _joey: reiserfs is great for people who want to test their backup strategy |
| 07:20.06 | Guerin | Solet: the debian install process is pure kisses and sunshine compared with most |
| 07:20.13 | Guerin | !ricerfs |
| 07:20.13 | dpkg | hmm... ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 07:20.16 | jetdotnet | Solet: tasksel is bad |
| 07:20.16 | karsten | Solet: IIRC it's no longer available by default in sarge installer, though I think I'm about to be told I'm wrong. |
| 07:20.21 | Paganist | jetdotnet: yup, i sometimes was doing this stuff with woddy but i still regret it |
| 07:20.26 | karsten | Solet: Could be far worse. |
| 07:20.35 | karsten | Solet: Take the WinXP installer. |
| 07:20.35 | cthulfuego | dammit |
| 07:20.41 | karsten | Solet: Five reboots later, and worse, you've got XP on your system. |
| 07:20.53 | Solet | lol |
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| 07:20.57 | Paganist | karsten: if the install goes well |
| 07:20.58 | jetdotnet | Solet: it's not installed by default anymore |
| 07:21.03 | phigan | pau4o: Zdravei |
| 07:21.05 | jetdotnet | or it's not the default, i forget |
| 07:21.20 | karsten | Paganist: That depends on your definition of "well". |
| 07:21.24 | Solet | this is sooo confusing... wtf is a mail transfer agent... i dont want a mail server.... |
| 07:21.30 | jetdotnet | modconf is not installed by default |
| 07:21.35 | phigan | pau4o: Vie ste ot Balgaria? |
| 07:21.36 | Guerin | Solet: every unix machine needs one. |
| 07:21.39 | karsten | Solet: procmail.. |
| 07:21.47 | jetdotnet | solet you need an mta, unfortunately exim4 is the default now not exim |
| 07:22.00 | Paganist | karsten: heh, |
| 07:22.20 | Paganist | karsten: "well" is of course in the context, we are talking about windows |
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| 07:22.21 | karsten | Solet: Um. No. That's an MDA. MTA == exim by default. You need it for local delivery of log messages, etc. |
| 07:22.29 | jetdotnet | i too prefer nano |
| 07:22.31 | phigan | I want to find a free Bulgarian voip provider |
| 07:22.35 | Xsquared | i like JED |
| 07:22.38 | pau4o | phigan, da az sum ot Balgaria |
| 07:22.43 | jetdotnet | exim4 by default in sarge |
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| 07:22.50 | karsten | jetdotnet: You can remove it. You're better off with it. |
| 07:22.51 | Paganist | bbl... |
| 07:22.57 | Guerin | phigan: get on the phone and start calling around :) |
| 07:23.03 | phigan | pau4o: Ima li VOIP provideri tam deto peervat s FWD? |
| 07:23.30 | phigan | Guerin: 111-1111 'Lois? Damn.' 111-1112 'Lois? Damn.' |
| 07:23.33 | phigan | 111-1113 |
| 07:23.35 | Solet | i dont like this... its not gonna be what i want.... |
| 07:23.36 | pau4o | phigan, ne znam kakvo e FWD |
| 07:23.37 | karsten | Paganist: What's this keepalived question of yours? |
| 07:23.52 | Guerin | phigan: ... |
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| 07:23.58 | jetdotnet | Solet: you can fix it later. i wouldn't run tasksel though. |
| 07:24.06 | jetdotnet | unless you want to. |
| 07:24.10 | phigan | pau4o: FreeWorldDialup. Kakvi voip provideri ima, po dobqr vapros :) |
| 07:24.14 | phigan | Guerin: Family Guy |
| 07:24.17 | Guerin | phigan: don't they have phonebooks in bulgaria? You might be able to narrow your search space by a few orders of magnitude. |
| 07:24.18 | Solet | i dont know how to fix it... if i dont have dselect... |
| 07:24.21 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:24.33 | phigan | Guerin: I'm not in Bulgaria |
| 07:24.48 | jetdotnet | Solet: you have dselect iirc, it's just not the default in the installer |
| 07:24.54 | cthulfuego | Guerin: it's an unfunny cartoon. |
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| 07:25.06 | Solet | oh thank god... its there... |
| 07:25.10 | pau4o | phigan, malko sum zaet v momenta ako si po-kusno tyk moga da ti otgovoria |
| 07:25.14 | phigan | cthulfuego: of course you think its unfunny, you use emacs. |
| 07:25.20 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:25.20 | jetdotnet | Solet: they also have this 'debconf priority' thing that you could have told the installer to use dselect with |
| 07:25.27 | Paganist | karsten: Was this -----> By some luck... anyone knows how the virtual_route information in a vrrp_instance entry of a keepalived conf file works ? |
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| 07:25.40 | phigan | pau4o: As sqm vinagi tuk :) samo me msgvai, zashtoto ne vinagi sam na komputera |
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| 07:25.45 | trend | hello |
| 07:25.45 | Paganist | karsten: the man page is unclear on this point |
| 07:25.52 | karsten | Paganist: No fscking clue. |
| 07:25.57 | Paganist | hehe |
| 07:25.58 | Paganist | ok |
| 07:26.18 | phigan | pau4o: ako mozhesh kogato imash vreme da mi msgvash niakolko URLs za bqlgarski voip linkove, spizialno ako sa besplatni :) |
| 07:26.21 | Paganist | karsten: you know keepalived ? if yes, i got an issue with my director synchronisation.... |
| 07:26.23 | karsten | Paganist: WTF is keepalived? |
| 07:26.25 | phigan | pau4o: Blogudaria mnogo! |
| 07:26.29 | Paganist | ok... |
| 07:26.31 | Xsquared | [Streak(~proy@savi.cis.drexel.edu)] Shriek. Ring a bell? |
| 07:26.37 | Xsquared | grah |
| 07:26.43 | karsten | phigan: English. |
| 07:26.46 | trend | I think my iptables rule just broke.. about 20minutes ago.. it isn't logging ping packets anymore... nomatter where i ping from :/ this is my iptables command: iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -j ULOG --ulog-nlgroup 1.. ulog -d is still running.. any ideas? |
| 07:26.48 | Solet | whats the block device name its asking me for? while i'm trying to build my package list with dselect? |
| 07:26.48 | Paganist | karsten: takes care of an high availability cluster using LVS |
| 07:27.06 | jetdotnet | shriek had jhu.edu on the end of his if that helps |
| 07:27.11 | Gumby | does the following make sense to anyone... |
| 07:27.19 | Xsquared | jetdotnet: damnit |
| 07:27.20 | Gumby | terry@laptop:~/downloads/firefox-installer$ sudo chown terry:terry /usr/share/mozilla-firefox -R |
| 07:27.20 | Gumby | terry@laptop:~/downloads/firefox-installer$ rm /usr/share/mozilla-firefox -Rf |
| 07:27.20 | Gumby | rm: cannot remove `/usr/share/mozilla-firefox': Permission denied |
| 07:27.23 | Xsquared | jetdotnet: he is that fella |
| 07:27.25 | jetdotnet | block device? |
| 07:27.26 | Paganist | karsten: high availability / Load balancing |
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| 07:27.45 | karsten | Paganist: Dig. Linux virtual server? |
| 07:27.50 | Solet | jetdotnet thats what it said |
| 07:27.55 | Paganist | karsten: yes |
| 07:28.01 | karsten | Paganist: Um. Yeah, ok, I'm slow. |
| 07:28.03 | Guerin | Gumby: directory permissions |
| 07:28.03 | jetdotnet | dunno |
| 07:28.11 | Paganist | heh |
| 07:28.16 | karsten | Paganist: I got close to it once, that's about it. |
| 07:28.18 | jetdotnet | what is the exact question it's asking Solet ? |
| 07:28.19 | Guerin | Gumby: NEVER EVER change the ownership of anything in /usr/share to you |
| 07:28.24 | karsten | Guerin: ...or mount opts. |
| 07:28.27 | Guerin | or anything much outside hom, ftm |
| 07:28.38 | phigan | So nobody knows if you can wire a whole house with just one analog phone adapter? |
| 07:28.38 | Paganist | karsten: very cool stuff.... when it works |
| 07:28.38 | Guerin | !wayttd Gumby |
| 07:28.39 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Gumby? |
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| 07:28.42 | jetdotnet | never make the box your own |
| 07:28.45 | phigan | like a cisco ata 186 or whatever it is |
| 07:28.51 | Gumby | Guerin: thats what I chose to install firefox to |
| 07:28.57 | Guerin | Gumby: WHY? |
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| 07:29.00 | Gumby | why not |
| 07:29.02 | Paganist | karsten: the big shit with keepalived is there is no check of your config file, if you did a typo, you are dead... |
| 07:29.04 | Guerin | !tell Gumby about /usr/local |
| 07:29.10 | karsten | Paganist: Heh. |
| 07:29.16 | Gumby | I should be able to place it anywhere I choose |
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| 07:29.32 | jetdotnet | just like windows! |
| 07:29.42 | Guerin | Gumby: no, you shouldn't. if you'll be the only one running it, put it in your homedir. Otherwise, put it in /usr/local or /opt |
| 07:29.45 | poli_off | phigan, if you are talking about VoIP, yes you can. |
| 07:29.48 | karsten | !tell Gumby about policy |
| 07:30.06 | Gumby | Guerin: regardless, why would a user that owns the files not be able to remove them |
| 07:30.21 | pau4o | phigan, shte potursia i shte ti pratia |
| 07:30.25 | Gumby | karsten: thx, but its not a debian package |
| 07:30.26 | Guerin | Gumby: as I said; directory permissions. info coreutils chmod |
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| 07:30.28 | streuner | pau4o: english |
| 07:30.32 | poli_off | Gumby, If you don't give you permission to do so.... |
| 07:30.33 | Guerin | and similar |
| 07:30.34 | karsten | Gumby: If you don't have perms on the parent directory. |
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| 07:31.07 | karsten | Gumby: If you put your stuff where a package expects it can put its files, you're begging trouble. Use /usr/local or /opt, or $HOME. You own these. |
| 07:31.21 | pau4o | streuner, ok I will serach and sed to phigan some addreses |
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| 07:31.23 | phigan | poli_off: nice. no problems with not enough voltage ringing 5 or 6 analog phones? |
| 07:31.33 | karsten | Gumby: It's a Policy Error (major release critical bug) for any package to delete anything / modify any file there. |
| 07:31.42 | Xsquared | >>> Streak [~proy@savi.cis.drexel.edu] requested VERSION from Xsquared |
| 07:31.43 | Xsquared | >>> Streak [~proy@savi.cis.drexel.edu] requested unknown ctcp FUCK_YOU_TOO from Xsquared |
| 07:31.47 | phigan | poli_off: i don't want to have to buy several adapters :) |
| 07:31.52 | poli_off | phigan, Oh. you want to connect 6 phones to 1 ATA 186? |
| 07:31.54 | Paganist | phigan: playing with blotto box ? |
| 07:31.56 | phigan | yes |
| 07:31.57 | karsten | Gumby: That's what Policy buys you, among other things. |
| 07:32.09 | pau4o | streuner, are you pleased now :-) |
| 07:32.36 | poli_off | phigan, YOu would probably have to test it. I don't know if you can find enough specs for that, but you com search them from the manufaturer. |
| 07:32.54 | phigan | word. |
| 07:32.59 | poli_off | phigan, Well, the ATA 186 has 2 FXS ports... |
| 07:33.07 | Paganist | bbl, figuring out shit with cluster |
| 07:33.08 | phigan | hopefully i can find one to test. perhaps i can do 3 on one port and 3 on another |
| 07:33.17 | Guerin | Gumby: and apart from anyything else, it's just fucking stupid to chamge the permissions of anything outside ~ to your user ... especially recursively. What would have happened if you'd hit enter early by mistake and done sudo chmod -R terry:terry /usr |
| 07:33.29 | streuner | pau4o: imagine everyone would talk here in her/his language... |
| 07:33.44 | phigan | how does faxing work over voip? I hear not well, if at all |
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| 07:34.10 | phigan | Is there special hardware for faxing or anything? |
| 07:34.10 | Guerin | faxing works pretty poorly under optimal conditions, ime |
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| 07:34.16 | poli_off | phigan, Badly on little-lossy codecs. Inexistant on the other ones. |
| 07:34.22 | Gumby | Guerin: I wouldnt have |
| 07:34.28 | phigan | Better to just set up a fax server on the same box running *? |
| 07:34.31 | poli_off | phigan, You might want to visit www.voip-info.org and #asterisk |
| 07:34.45 | phigan | oh crap, i thought I was in #asterisk hehehe |
| 07:34.47 | phigan | sorry guys :) |
| 07:34.48 | pau4o | streuner, yes it will be very messy |
| 07:34.48 | Guerin | Gumby: just a slip of the finger... stupider things have most assuredly been done by more masterful admins |
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| 07:34.58 | poli_off | hahaha |
| 07:35.35 | Phated | Hear hear. |
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| 07:36.07 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
| 07:36.23 | Guerin | good $time to you too |
| 07:36.52 | Guerin | my $time = "hometime" |
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| 07:38.11 | phigan | pau4o: Izviniavai, as mislih che tova e #asterisk i biah shtasliv che ima Bqlgarin :) |
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| 07:38.56 | pau4o | phigan, are you from bulgaria |
| 07:39.11 | cthulfuego | Ja, precies. Zo snappen we er dadelijk helemaal niks meer van. |
| 07:39.35 | poli_off | pau4o, I tought you two were understanding each other... ;) |
| 07:39.37 | freet15 | bey |
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| 07:40.19 | phigan | pau4o: Yes |
| 07:40.39 | pau4o | poli_off, what you want to say? |
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| 07:41.03 | phigan | pau4o: My aunt and uncle are leaving for bg tomorrow, I am hoping to get them on voip so they can call us for free |
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| 07:41.35 | Solet | is there an easy way i can remove all non-required packages in one command? |
| 07:41.49 | SlayerXP | Solet: deborphan |
| 07:42.16 | karsten | Gumby: What version? There was a buggy version of Firefox out a while ago. |
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| 07:44.05 | Gumby | karsten: tar.gz from mozilla.org 1.0.3 |
| 07:44.38 | karsten | Gumby: OK. This was IIRC older by a few months. |
| 07:44.49 | karsten | Gumby: ISTR ~ November 2004 |
| 07:44.55 | Solet | umm... earlier some one told me that the command 'modprobe acx100' would make my dlink dwl-520+ work if i had kernel 2.6... i have kernel 2.6 and it doesnt work... |
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| 07:45.11 | Solet | FATAL: Module acx100 not found |
| 07:45.38 | Gumby | Solet: you'll need to grab the source and compile it |
| 07:45.57 | Solet | kernel source? |
| 07:46.12 | Gumby | probably found at acx100.sf.net (no the module source). |
| 07:46.36 | Gumby | possible also apt-get install acx100-source |
| 07:46.38 | Gumby | possibly |
| 07:47.02 | Gumby | I believe that will put the current debian source in /usr/src |
| 07:47.04 | Solet | nope... |
| 07:47.08 | Gumby | then you'll need to compile it |
| 07:47.23 | bob2 | it seems to be acx_pci |
| 07:47.50 | Gumby | terry@laptop:~/firefox$ apt-cache search acx100 |
| 07:47.50 | Gumby | acx100-source - ACX100/ACX111 wireless network drivers source |
| 07:47.56 | Gumby | its in testing contrib |
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| 07:48.49 | Solet | how do i compile it, and what do i do with it after its been compiled? |
| 07:49.02 | bob2 | you read the instructions |
| 07:49.03 | Gumby | I'd read the docs for that info |
| 07:49.04 | bob2 | then you load it |
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| 07:49.53 | Solet | then you mail a high powered explosive to d-link inc. because they dont write linux drivers... |
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| 07:50.30 | bob2 | and shoot yourself for buying such a crap card |
| 07:51.32 | Solet | is there a card out there that will load easily? with a cd and everything? does it cost less than 50 dollars? if so what is it cause i'm getting it tomorrow |
| 07:51.49 | Gumby | Solet: dont give up so easily :) |
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| 07:52.18 | elturcin | hello |
| 07:52.22 | Gumby | Solet: I just bought two prism54 pcmcia cards. One is working well, the other has IRQ issues I havnt lookged into yet |
| 07:52.23 | Solet | this computer is getting on my nerves... the sarge installer did a bunch of crap i didnt tell it to do... |
| 07:52.25 | elturcin | I've setup a linux router here |
| 07:52.32 | elturcin | an I'm having some problems |
| 07:52.38 | elturcin | using masquerading |
| 07:52.47 | elturcin | some pages don't show up on the client machines, some do, some don't |
| 07:52.58 | elturcin | I have the same configuration at home, works perfectly |
| 07:53.00 | elturcin | any ideas? |
| 07:53.21 | trent | I've set up an apt-proxy for the Debian and Ubuntu machines in the office; the Fedora guys want to know if it can proxify their repositories too. Does anybody know? |
| 07:54.05 | maebmij | elturcin: have you checked that the server machine itself is capable of loading pages properly? |
| 07:54.18 | elturcin | maebmij, yes, they show up there |
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| 07:54.43 | Paganist | elturcin: tried on some machineS ? in this case, they are on the same network having the route as gateway ? |
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| 07:55.15 | Paganist | elturcin: in case not on the same network, they have a router between ? set as their gateway ? |
| 07:55.25 | elturcin | Paganist, they're on the same network |
| 07:55.28 | Solet | i dont even see a download for the acx100 at the sourceforge site... |
| 07:55.30 | Paganist | ok |
| 07:55.44 | Paganist | elturcin: the router in as gateway for the machines ? |
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| 07:55.51 | elturcin | Paganist, yes |
| 07:56.09 | Paganist | elturcin: maybe a tcpdump | grep www will help |
| 07:56.23 | elturcin | Paganist, already tried |
| 07:56.28 | elturcin | requests are sent |
| 07:56.37 | elturcin | and I get something back, but nothing shows up in the browser |
| 07:56.37 | Paganist | yes but then |
| 07:56.42 | elturcin | and then nothing |
| 07:56.42 | Paganist | hum |
| 07:56.46 | elturcin | on every machine |
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| 07:56.50 | elturcin | it's just funny. |
| 07:56.53 | Paganist | where is the webserver ? |
| 07:56.56 | hcy | how do i reconfigure stuff with dpkg or apt? I need to reconfigure ddclient, but using dpkg --configure it tells me it's already installed, and there seems to not be a --reconfigure option |
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| 07:57.08 | elturcin | Paganist, what do you mean by that? |
| 07:57.10 | Paganist | elturcin: on an other net ? |
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| 07:57.18 | elturcin | Paganist, you mean the pages I can't reach? |
| 07:57.23 | Paganist | yes |
| 07:57.28 | elturcin | Paganist, www.microsoft.com for example |
| 07:57.31 | Paganist | ok |
| 07:57.38 | win2lin | what is the command for taking user account backup in debian system |
| 07:57.47 | elturcin | Paganist, works in the router, of course, not on the client machines |
| 07:57.57 | elturcin | but some pages work, it's strange :) |
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| 07:58.05 | Paganist | elturcin: well, without more elements, it is not easy to help, got a scheme of you infrastructure ? |
| 07:58.15 | Paganist | hum |
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| 07:58.28 | elturcin | Paganist, 192.168.100.1 <- router |
| 07:58.30 | sep | win2lin: user account backup ? i guess you'd want to tar up /home and also tar up passwd groups and the shadow files |
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| 07:58.31 | Paganist | elturcin: misconfig of DNS on some clients ? |
| 07:58.33 | Solet | fuck this is confusing.... |
| 07:58.37 | elturcin | 2,3,4,5,6,.. client machines |
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| 07:58.45 | elturcin | should I paste the iptables rules? |
| 07:58.55 | Paganist | elturcin: in a pastebin |
| 07:58.58 | win2lin | sep: can u give the command please |
| 07:58.58 | elturcin | ok |
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| 07:59.16 | Paganist | elturcin: client = windows ? |
| 07:59.25 | sep | win2lin: no, becouse it's impossible for me to know how your system works. but if you type man tar you'd learn how to do it |
| 07:59.35 | elturcin | Paganist, yes |
| 07:59.39 | Paganist | shit |
| 07:59.39 | elturcin | Paganist, I'll paste in #flood |
| 08:00.05 | Solet | does anyone know of a wifi card that costs less than 50 bux that will work in the 2.6 kernel with out me having to compile anything or jump through any hoops? something that works out of the box |
| 08:00.35 | win2lin | sep: i created 100 users in my debian sarge system(configured as a ftp server) |
| 08:00.37 | bucky | Solet, any prism based card |
| 08:01.20 | Solet | bucky: you're telling me nothing |
| 08:01.22 | hcy | how do i reconfigure stuff with dpkg or apt? I need to reconfigure ddclient, but using dpkg --configure it tells me it's already installed, and there seems to not be a --reconfigure option |
| 08:01.29 | bucky | Solet, http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/Client_5fAdapters_5f802_5f11b |
| 08:01.35 | hcy | !reconfigure |
| 08:01.35 | dpkg | it has been said that reconfigure is really dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
| 08:01.42 | hcy | dpkg: thanks |
| 08:01.42 | dpkg | bitte, hcy |
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| 08:02.47 | Solet | bucky: MY CARD IS ON THAT LIST! |
| 08:03.04 | sep | win2lin: well look at man tar it will explain what you need. |
| 08:03.10 | lestest | hi there is it safe to close port 25 for incoming connections for a system wich doesn't need to send mail outside at all? |
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| 08:04.07 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 08:04.18 | elephantman | How can i delete all .svn folders recursively ? |
| 08:04.18 | sep | lestest: you said incoming, i guess that means you dont want to recive mails either ? |
| 08:04.34 | sep | your system would still be able to send mail btw. |
| 08:04.43 | Solet | that list doesnt mean shit because its telling me that a card that isnt playing nicely should play nicely... |
| 08:05.11 | bucky | Solet, make your own list |
| 08:05.13 | poli_off | lestest, if you don't need to receive mail from the outside at all, sure why not. |
| 08:05.15 | elephantman | Other thing : can i scp only files that are different (or missing) on the remote computer ? |
| 08:05.33 | sep | elephantman: look at rsync or unison |
| 08:05.41 | Ugly_Duck | how do you detect a memory leak? kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 2693 (mysqld). |
| 08:05.54 | dondelelcaro | elephantman: find . -type d -iname '.svn' -print0 |xargs -0 rm -rf |
| 08:05.57 | lestest | sep: poli_off thankz |
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| 08:06.11 | elephantman | dondelelcaro: super cool |
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| 08:06.25 | dondelelcaro | elephantman: man find; man xargs; to understand exactly what that is doing before you run it. |
| 08:07.28 | elephantman | dondelelcaro: ok thanks a lot |
| 08:07.40 | elephantman | sep: so "scp" can't do this ? |
| 08:07.50 | dondelelcaro | elephantman: no. Use rsync. |
| 08:07.57 | lestest | another question ... I have a connection from a chinese host on the discard port ... is there some security risk? |
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| 08:08.07 | elephantman | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 08:08.10 | elephantman | sep: thanks |
| 08:08.27 | dondelelcaro | lestest: discard is the equivalent of /dev/null for networks. You probably don't need it, but it shouldn't be a problem. |
| 08:09.17 | lestest | I know the services purpose, but can this guy be using some bug in inetd? |
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| 08:09.33 | dondelelcaro | lestest: highly unlikely |
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| 08:09.46 | rixth | Is there an active portable audio channel? I need to know Atrac3 vs MP3 (Gonna' decide whether to get a Sony player) |
| 08:10.27 | Solet | does anyone know of a wifi card that costs less than 50 bux that will work in the 2.6 kernel with out me having to compile anything or jump through any hoops? something that works out of the box??? |
| 08:10.56 | lestest | dondelelcaro: thankz that's what I supoosed ... I'll chkroot to be shure |
| 08:11.32 | lestest | dondelelcaro: maybe is some strange connection from some port scanning tool |
| 08:12.18 | dondelelcaro | lestest: that's what I'd guess... but hard to tell |
| 08:12.24 | dondelelcaro | lestest: is it still connected? |
| 08:13.02 | sep | Solet: your asking a difficult question, linux is more interested in what chipset is on the card then what brand and model it is, and when you have brands like dlink that change chipset 3 times on a pcmcia card and still keep the same model number it's a pain to know what driver to use. i'v used proxim/orinoco cards quite successfully. but i only run 2.4 till now. |
| 08:13.22 | lestest | yep |
| 08:13.38 | trend | i just portscanned my computer.. and found: 111/tcp open rpcbind |
| 08:13.43 | dondelelcaro | lestest: run tcpdump to match packets being sent and see what's actually being done. |
| 08:13.43 | trend | how do i turn off that daemon? |
| 08:13.49 | trend | or find what daemon program it is |
| 08:13.54 | dondelelcaro | trend: netstat -plunt; |
| 08:14.16 | trend | ahh, great! |
| 08:14.17 | trend | thanks |
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| 08:14.38 | dondelelcaro | trend: odds are that whatever rpc program that is is actually only bound to localhost |
| 08:15.20 | Solet | sep: i understand that i'm asking a difficult question: but i know that there are people in here who are using wifi cards, out of 781 people there has to be atleast 50... |
| 08:15.26 | trend | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.15 | dondelelcaro | trend: yes, in that the former is likely to leave you with an apache that won't start |
| 08:16.38 | lestest | dondelelcaro: tcpdump host IP |
| 08:16.39 | trend | ohh.. os use apachectl restart.. why is this better though? |
| 08:17.12 | dondelelcaro | trend: no, the latter is /etc/init.d/apache which is better, because it tests the config first to see if the server can actually restart. |
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| 08:17.50 | bucky | doesn't /etc/init.d/apache just make a call to apachectl ? |
| 08:17.54 | dondelelcaro | trend: you can get similar behavoir by using apachectl graceful; of course. |
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| 08:18.20 | dondelelcaro | bucky: it actually makes multiple calls to apachectl... |
| 08:19.00 | sep | Solet: what card did you have ? |
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| 08:19.19 | Vyrus001 | anybody have a good aes encryption app for debian ? |
| 08:19.28 | Solet | dlink dwl-520+ |
| 08:19.42 | Solet | it needs the acx100 module |
| 08:19.54 | Solet | or so i was told by some one earlier |
| 08:20.11 | sep | Solet: depends on it's hardware revision, dlink changes chipsets like mad |
| 08:20.16 | lestest | dondelelcaro: No activity |
| 08:20.36 | sep | Solet: if you want to buy a new card get something hermes or prism based, |
| 08:20.54 | Solet | sep: brand? model? |
| 08:20.54 | dondelelcaro | lestest: *shrug* you may want to disable discard (and possibly even inetd) as it's almost completely useless |
| 08:21.34 | sep | Solet: depends on the hardware revision you cant say brand or model. you can get a orinoco then your' pretty sure its a agere chip (hermes driver) |
| 08:22.10 | sep | Solet: dosnt lspci tell you what chip your having on your card ? |
| 08:22.21 | sep | lspci work on pcmcia cards right ?.... |
| 08:22.40 | lestest | dondelelcaro: I'have set some iptables rules for lan access date service sometimes is useful |
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| 08:23.27 | dondelelcaro | lestest: yeah, sometimes. |
| 08:23.41 | Solet | i cant even find it in lspci |
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| 08:24.09 | Solet | whats the address of the 5th pci slot? |
| 08:24.16 | liable_ | I installed apache the other day, so I could post a screenshot for some help, just looking in the access logs and see this |
| 08:24.21 | liable_ | 203.220.15.172 - - [24/Apr/2005:12:45:50 +1000] "SEARCH /\x90\xc9\xc9\xc9\xc9\xc9\xc9\xc9\xc9\xc9\xc9\xc9\xc9 |
| 08:24.22 | Vyrus001 | did u try cardctl ? |
| 08:24.39 | liable_ | and it goes for ages, what the hell is it |
| 08:24.40 | lestest | dondelelcaro: how do I kill this connection? |
| 08:24.54 | streuner | liable_: prolly a worm or such |
| 08:25.09 | streuner | liable_: nothing unusual... |
| 08:25.12 | Solet | ok there we go Texax Instruments ACX 100 Wireless Interface |
| 08:25.19 | dondelelcaro | lestest: kill off whatever spawn of inetd is communicating with it |
| 08:25.19 | liable_ | streuner: hi, nothing to worry about then |
| 08:25.26 | streuner | no |
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| 08:25.35 | liable_ | streuner: cool thanks |
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| 08:26.05 | buu | Hrm. Anyone know of a way to map a scancode to a key? |
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| 08:26.08 | trend | i just added some new ifaces (eth0:0) to my /etc/network/interfaces, how do I bring them up? (without a restart) |
| 08:26.31 | sep | trend: ifup devicename |
| 08:26.54 | trend | that is easy enough :) |
| 08:26.55 | sep | trend: or just /etc/init.d/networking restart (to take everything down and up again) |
| 08:27.13 | liable_ | streuner: is that like trying a buffer overflow sort of thing (excuse the terms) |
| 08:27.13 | trend | ahh.. yes, i used the former before |
| 08:27.13 | trend | the later* |
| 08:27.27 | buu | Or actually |
| 08:27.37 | tarzeau | gpg: protection algorithm 254 is not supported gpg: signing failed: unknown cipher algorithm |
| 08:27.41 | buu | What was the name of the program that captures input and produces scancodes? |
| 08:27.46 | tarzeau | stable users can't signe my key! |
| 08:27.59 | dondelelcaro | trend: hahaha |
| 08:28.03 | Solet | buu: cat |
| 08:28.06 | dondelelcaro | s/trend/tarzeau/ |
| 08:28.24 | buu | Solet: How so? |
| 08:28.30 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: which cipher is that, anyway? |
| 08:28.33 | tarzeau | i hope sarge is realeased today! |
| 08:28.37 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i have no idea |
| 08:28.42 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: what key id? |
| 08:28.43 | Solet | isnt that what you're talking about? |
| 08:28.48 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 08:28.50 | buu | Solet: No, I'm talking about scan codes. |
| 08:29.05 | tarzeau | try http://keyserver.mine.nu/ |
| 08:29.15 | lestest | dondelelcaro: thankz |
| 08:29.16 | buu | dondelelcaro! |
| 08:29.32 | Solet | sorry *shrug* my brain is fried.... i'm gonna go back to fuckin woody i swear... sarge has pissed me off royal... |
| 08:29.34 | tarzeau | btw did pgp signing/encrypt also stopped working from sylpheed or gnumail.app for you in sid? |
| 08:29.46 | tarzeau | (like since three months or so) |
| 08:30.19 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: that's really wierd... it just looks like a DSA key with an el gammal encryption key |
| 08:30.33 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: yeah it's not something special |
| 08:30.53 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: is it vulernable version of an el gammal key? |
| 08:30.57 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: could it be some other crappy signature (non utf8 name, strange policy crap url shit): http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x7C8DFA5B0999548B |
| 08:31.02 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: no it's not |
| 08:31.03 | sep | Solet: if you want easy living, then stay off the dlink cards :) you have no idea how many houers iv wasted on a few of those. |
| 08:31.25 | Solet | i've figured that out... |
| 08:31.30 | Solet | i know what not to buy |
| 08:31.36 | buu | Ahah! Showkey |
| 08:31.37 | Solet | but i still have no idea what i need to buy |
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| 08:32.20 | Solet | i'm not going to compile a kernel hack... i'll destroy crap... i have shitty luck like that... |
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| 08:34.10 | Almindor | where is the LANG and LC_ANYTHING config file in debian? |
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| 08:34.29 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: it's a per-user setting. |
| 08:34.39 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: if you want to change which ones are built, run dpkg-reconfigure locales; |
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| 08:35.48 | Almindor | k(I'm using ubuntu, is it different there?) |
| 08:35.49 | trend | thanks guys for the help! |
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| 08:36.11 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: it shouldn't be... but you should ask ubuntu questions in #ubuntu |
| 08:36.22 | jethro | moin |
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| 08:36.30 | Almindor | dondelelcaro: they mostly don't know much apart gnome and KDE |
| 08:36.32 | sep | Solet: buy lucent/orinoco card. |
| 08:36.37 | Almindor | or don't answer :) |
| 08:36.43 | Shadur | What's the debian preferred method to add additional IP addresses to an interface at bootup? /etc/network/interfaces only supports one ipv4 addy per interface. |
| 08:37.05 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: that may be, but we can't really answer non-Debian questions here |
| 08:37.05 | sep | Shadur: just add more interfaces eth0:0 eth0:1 etc etc etc |
| 08:37.08 | Guerin | step 1: institute a #debian EULA requiring people who join to confirm that they are in fact using debian. step 2: permanently ban people who fail to comply. |
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| 08:37.21 | Shadur | sep: I mean without aliases. |
| 08:37.23 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: it supports multiple ones... man 5 interfaces; even gives an example. |
| 08:37.29 | ndee | hi there, when I do a "apt-get update", apt-get stops with following line and it just doesn't continue: "99% [1 Packages gzip 979579]". That means I can't update my installation anymore, anyone maybe knows a way to fix it? |
| 08:37.44 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: uh, the kernel doesn't really support it without using aliases. |
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| 08:38.17 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: then why does ip addr add 10.20.0.1/24 dev eth1 work, and ip addr ls show me both addresses? |
| 08:38.25 | Almindor | dondelelcaro: thanksamillion it worked |
| 08:38.51 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: ip is different. There's no effective difference between using aliases and what ip is doing. |
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| 08:39.43 | sep | Shadur: the ip command uses labels, ifconfig uses aliases but to the kernel it's basicaly the same thing |
| 08:39.50 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: for bonus points, now look at the output ifconfig. |
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| 08:40.08 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: known problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/11/msg02462.html |
| 08:40.19 | tarzeau | debian stable should get an updated gnupg |
| 08:41.05 | sep | Shadur: you can add ip commands to your interfaces file using the 'up' argument, but it's easier to visulaice if you use aliases |
| 08:41.05 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: ifconfig only shows 10.10.0.1 on eth1 and no aliases. |
| 08:41.05 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: run just ifconfig |
| 08:41.08 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: I did. |
| 08:41.18 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: what was the exact command that you ran? |
| 08:41.20 | Shadur | lo, eth0, eth1, each only with one single address. |
| 08:41.25 | tarzeau | is marillat on irc? |
| 08:41.26 | Shadur | shadur@ryuukaze:/etc/network/if-up.d$ ifconfig |
| 08:41.32 | sep | Shadur: ifconfig probably wont diplay it unless you gave a label to the second ip address |
| 08:41.44 | Shadur | ip addr add 10.20.0.1/24 dev eth1 |
| 08:42.08 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's probably it... |
| 08:42.33 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: anyway, why the aversion to using aliases? |
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| 08:43.18 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: Because I'm also running a traffic shaper on that thing and I'd rather not have to add a third set of rules to it just to cover a new interface if I can avoid it. |
| 08:44.03 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: it's the same interface |
| 08:44.27 | sep | Shadur: if you add aliases in the interfaces file. then in ip they will show as several ip's on the same interface labeled as the alias |
| 08:44.29 | Shadur | Besides, I already have an 80-line script in if-up.d that adds roughly as many host/net routes to various subnets. |
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| 08:44.53 | sep | if you give a nonsensical alias or not an alias, then ifconfig wont undestand it and omit the aliased interface |
| 08:44.53 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: So a tc rule on dev eth1 will also govern eth1:0 ? |
| 08:44.59 | sep | but too the kernel it's ideticaly |
| 08:45.05 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: AFAIR, yes. |
| 08:45.06 | faber2 | anybody knows a text editor which can open a 900MB file? |
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| 08:45.17 | Guerin | any of them, given enough ram |
| 08:45.24 | tzafrir | I've just had a nice newbie encounter |
| 08:45.32 | Guerin | faber2: if it's too big, use split to hack it up into smaller hunks |
| 08:45.53 | olecom | faber2> hexeditor or mcedit + F4 + F2 |
| 08:46.00 | Guerin | why you have a 900mb text file itfp is quite beyond me |
| 08:46.04 | tzafrir | SOmeone asked for help with his system that "could not connect to the internet, but worked on the LAN". |
| 08:46.08 | Shadur | faber2: You might want to whip up a quickie perlscript to split that monstrosity up. Even if you have a system with a gig of ram free, it'd still take forever to perform any kind of useful operation on it. |
| 08:46.22 | dondelelcaro | hell, just use split. |
| 08:46.22 | Guerin | sod perl |
| 08:46.23 | faber2 | olecom: mcedit: file is too large |
| 08:46.26 | dondelelcaro | it's what it's there for. |
| 08:46.30 | karamelos | In my /etc/fstab a line starts like: proc /proc proc, shouldn't it be "none /proc proc"? |
| 08:46.32 | Guerin | just hack it up into 10MB files with split |
| 08:46.43 | olecom | faber2> mcview, sorry |
| 08:46.44 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: the first argument doesn't matter. |
| 08:46.45 | faber2 | shadur: guess you are rite |
| 08:46.48 | Shadur | Guerin: If I'd had to guess I'd say an unattended logfile that got missed by logrotate and saw some heavy activity for over a year. |
| 08:46.58 | Guerin | Shadur: heh, yeah. |
| 08:47.29 | faber2 | ole: mcview opens it!! |
| 08:47.34 | karamelos | dondelelcaro: but which first argument is more standard for proc: proc or none? |
| 08:47.45 | tzafrir | He mailed me a copy of his interfaces file. The fileds I see he set were: address, netmask, broadcast, Default Gateway, Primary DNS Server, Secondary DNS Server :-) |
| 08:47.49 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: you could say saldkfjlsakdfj /proc proc; it wouldn't matter. |
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| 08:47.58 | olecom | faber2> only hex edit, but it you need something, read folks ;-) |
| 08:48.02 | Guerin | faber2: what had you tried earlier? |
| 08:48.18 | tzafrir | He basically got the logic, but a bit wrong. :-) |
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| 08:48.55 | karamelos | dondelelcaro, is it necessary to have a line starting like: none /dev/shm tmpfs ? |
| 08:49.08 | Shadur | karamelos: yes. |
| 08:49.12 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: if youw want ifupdown to work, yes |
| 08:49.15 | ndee | also, with my installation, it can't find "apt-setup", shouldn't that normally be installed? |
| 08:49.19 | Guerin | if you don't know what an fstab line is for, it's necessary |
| 08:49.28 | Guerin | ndee: not in woody. |
| 08:49.30 | Shadur | Well, not critically neccessary, but a lot of things won't like it if it's not there. |
| 08:49.38 | dondelelcaro | ndee: generally, yes... but it's quite trivial to keep it from being installed. |
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| 08:50.18 | karamelos | dondelelcaro, in other places like jackit.sourceforge, that line is said to be typed as: shmfs /dev/shm shm, which my system didn't recognised the filetype. |
| 08:50.21 | ndee | ok, thanks. What does it mean when apt-get update keeps hanging at 99% with a package and just doesn't continue? |
| 08:50.36 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: because that's wrong. |
| 08:50.43 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: why the 20 questions about fstab? |
| 08:51.08 | Guerin | ndee: enough space on the drive? is the file actually correct? tried another mirror? |
| 08:51.12 | Solet | sep: so, any lucent card with a 'prism' chipset will work with kernel 2.6 with out me having to compile any kernel hacks or any other bullshit like that right? |
| 08:51.32 | karamelos | dondelelcaro, just want to make shure it is correctly configured for the jack server to work. |
| 08:51.34 | ndee | apt-get check also doesn't work, it gives meW: Couldn't stat source package list http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists....stat (2 No such file or directory)" |
| 08:51.35 | sep | Solet: iv never tried wireless on a 2.6 kernel i cant answer that. |
| 08:51.43 | DuckTales | When will sarge be stable? |
| 08:51.48 | ndee | Guerin: yes, tried another mirror and there is enough space. |
| 08:51.53 | sep | Solet: but if it's a prism chipset i wouold guess on yes |
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| 08:52.25 | Guerin | ndee: that file isn't wildly important unless you really need the contrib non-us packages.... if there even are any |
| 08:53.05 | ndee | Guerin: ok, so I can delete the contrib non-us entry in my sources.list? |
| 08:53.17 | Guerin | ndee: if you don't need it, sure. |
| 08:53.27 | Solet | fuckit all i'm going to bed.... |
| 08:53.40 | dondelelcaro | DuckTales: see /topic |
| 08:53.46 | ale5 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:54.53 | ale5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.09 | jetscreamer | how do get the xvrefresh and xhrefresh rates that a monitor supports |
| 08:55.12 | jetscreamer | w/o being able to find the specs |
| 08:55.31 | DuckTales | <dpkg> At a guess, sarge will be ready in about... 2 weeks, or see <guess>. |
| 08:55.36 | DuckTales | Sarge will be ready in 2 weeks? |
| 08:55.39 | DuckTales | really? |
| 08:55.58 | sep | DuckTales: /msg dpkg guess |
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| 08:56.32 | jethro | !guess |
| 08:56.33 | dpkg | guess is, like, a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 08:56.38 | jethro | heh |
| 08:56.47 | ndee | Guerin: hm, it still always hangs with the gzip package, doesn't matter what I do. I changed the sources.list to use another mirror, it always hangs there. So weird. |
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| 08:59.32 | Guerin | ndee: THAT particular Packages.gz, or any old one? |
| 08:59.37 | ale5 | is udevd replacement for devsfd ??? |
| 08:59.54 | tzafrir | ale5, for devfs |
| 09:00.02 | tzafrir | ale5, for devfsd, yes |
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| 09:00.28 | ia3264 | whats the difference between sudo'ing to root and su'ing to root other than sudo'ing automatically putting you back to normal user? |
| 09:01.07 | dondelelcaro | ia3264: quite a bit, actually. |
| 09:01.08 | ndee | Guerin: Shall I download the Packages.gz maybe and re-download it? |
| 09:01.08 | Gathond | ia3264: sudo supports limitations on the commands a given user is allowed to use |
| 09:01.09 | ale5 | means i should definitely be CONFIG_DEVFD_FS is not set in 2.6.11 ? |
| 09:01.14 | bob2 | just use sudo |
| 09:01.29 | ndee | Guerin: s/download/delete |
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| 09:01.43 | Guerin | ndee: yeah, anything might work |
| 09:01.44 | bob2 | ale5: dude, devfs has been deprectaed since 2.6 released |
| 09:01.45 | ia3264 | so i should always sudo apt-get install's? |
| 09:01.49 | Guerin | apt-get clean? |
| 09:02.10 | ndee | Guerin: still hangs there.... |
| 09:02.46 | ale5 | naja, i try to dpkg -i nvidia-kernel, i get : devfsd: no devfs on /dev, not starting |
| 09:03.17 | ircbot_ | ale5: you don't have devfs option enabled on your kernel |
| 09:03.29 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 09:03.29 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 09:03.36 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:03.50 | ircbot_ | herm |
| 09:03.55 | ale5 | ircbot_: you mean i should have what ? |
| 09:04.02 | ircbot_ | i heart making custom kernels |
| 09:04.11 | Guerin | you should heart making them properly |
| 09:04.19 | jethro | ia3264: just do it the way you like it |
| 09:04.25 | Guerin | because at the moment you're arseing it |
| 09:04.28 | ircbot_ | ale5: i mean you need to recompile your kernel with devfs enabled... or ... <grits teeth> use a kernel image |
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| 09:05.22 | jetscreamer | !undelete |
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| 09:06.31 | ale5 | grrrr. it is enabled. CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y |
| 09:06.47 | cusco | Hi! I have an ipod and I was using it fine with gtkpod. Suddenly it wouldn't mount read-write anymore, only read-only. I had left the original HFS+ filesystem on it, and was learning that there is no fsck.hfsplus for Linux that would clear the INCONSISTENT-bit of my HFS+ filesystem. I tryed mounting it with hpmount and tryed to use hpfsck but I always get an error |
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| 09:07.16 | cusco | the error is: hpmount: /dev/sda3: Invalid key length in record_readkey (Invalid argument) |
| 09:07.38 | Guerin | cusco: sucks to use appleware... ask in #ipod or something. |
| 09:07.57 | Guerin | cusco: maybe #debian-ppc has some experience with using debian and crapple together |
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| 09:09.37 | cthulfuego | cusco: Try hfsplusutils |
| 09:09.47 | ale5 | aah i just removed defsd and it WORKS, although it did not look like, it was still running |
| 09:10.09 | ale5 | thanks ;) |
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| 09:14.53 | trentbuck | cusco: You need to use /Applications/Utilities/Disk\ Utility under OS X, or overwrite it with a new (empty) HFS+ filesystem. |
| 09:15.55 | trentbuck | join #debianppc and/or #mol for more mac help. |
| 09:16.32 | ndee | chkrootkit hangs at Checking `echo'... |
| 09:16.37 | ndee | not a good sign I guess |
| 09:19.49 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:19.59 | Guerin | try fsck first |
| 09:20.14 | Guerin | something in your filesystem might be b0rk3n |
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| 09:22.21 | kikaz | what is daemon , whick archives logs? |
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| 09:23.10 | PerfDave | kikaz: logrotate? |
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| 09:26.33 | kikaz | fanks |
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| 09:32.52 | PerfDave | Hmm, #debian is slow today. |
| 09:33.16 | drac | I get this while starting lxdoom (debian package, sid) Could not start sound server [/usr/games/sndserv] what could it be? I get no sound. |
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| 09:33.51 | PerfDave | drac: Did you check the bts for lxdoom? :) Is /usr/games/sndserv there? |
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| 09:34.06 | drac | PerfDave: No I didn't. But will to it now. :) |
| 09:34.18 | drac | s/to/do/ |
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| 09:35.40 | drac | Nothing in BTS. |
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| 09:38.40 | PerfDave | is /usr/games/sndserv there? |
| 09:38.48 | PerfDave | Ooh, that reminds me, I was supposed to be reportbugging Apache2 |
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| 09:40.36 | drac | d'oh! It was simple, saw it in BTS. Missing package lxdoom-sndserv. |
| 09:40.49 | drac | Installed it and started working:) |
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| 09:44.06 | paulswm | !test |
| 09:44.07 | dpkg | No, paulswm, you're not online any more. |
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| 09:45.37 | greister__ | As a root , how to know the other's operate on the same machine. |
| 09:45.54 | streuner__ | w |
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| 09:51.18 | natasiel | greister__: type who in a terminal/console |
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| 09:53.23 | greister_ | How to know the other operate on the same machine. |
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| 09:53.44 | SlayerXP | greister: you've been told twice so far. |
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| 09:54.27 | ircbot_ | or if you are really lazy just use "w" |
| 09:54.43 | natasiel | is there any docs about setting up two debian box sharing /usr? (beside apt-get twice to get configuration files in /etc wich also rewrite the files in /usr) |
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| 09:55.02 | greister__ | I am only know he is there , Want to know what he is doing |
| 09:55.20 | SlayerXP | greister: man ps; man grep |
| 09:55.29 | PerfDave | greister__: You want to snoop on somebody else's activities on your machine? |
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| 09:57.23 | natasiel | greister: may be ttysnoop is the kind of thing you're looking for |
| 09:58.30 | natasiel | greister__: may be 'ps aux' is just enough for you |
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| 09:59.54 | natasiel | garmaflone: you should consider logging out from your chat client and run it as a normal user |
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| 10:00.44 | ndee | in "Securing Debian", what I don't get, they suggest to remove perl but in the same sentence, they say that you cannot upgrade packages if you don't have debian installed. So what's the point of un-installing perl? |
| 10:01.32 | reinder | how can change the black screen timeout of a tty terminal? i like to disable the timeout. |
| 10:01.38 | ndee | replace "debian installed" with "perl installed" |
| 10:01.48 | natasiel | ndee: is really perl essential to run debian? |
| 10:02.00 | PerfDave | apt requires perl. dpkg doesn't. |
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| 10:02.55 | ndee | natasiel: I don't know, I'm just reading that manual. But if you cannot upgrade packages in the future, it's pretty useless IMO. |
| 10:03.20 | natasiel | ndee: you can always compile what ou need from source |
| 10:03.44 | jethro | hahaha |
| 10:03.55 | ndee | natasiel: yeah, I know, why do you need debian at all? Why not just make for everything a LFS? |
| 10:03.59 | jethro | if you're about to remove perl, I doubt you have a compiler handy to build stuff |
| 10:05.50 | natasiel | jethro: that's a point, we first should see by trying it |
| 10:06.10 | natasiel | nobody else sharing /usr around? |
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| 10:07.35 | freet15 | by |
| 10:07.37 | jethro | ndee: removing perl should be one of the last steps in your securing process, and should be done only if you need a *HIGH* security level |
| 10:08.14 | jethro | ndee: I suggest you don't remove perl and chmod it instead, cause if one gets root, it's as easy to install perl as it is to chmod it back to a working setup |
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| 10:08.26 | ndee | jethro: ok. |
| 10:08.31 | greister | yes. ttysnoop. |
| 10:08.35 | PerfDave | natasiel: What are you hoping to achieve by sharing /usr? |
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| 10:09.56 | PerfDave | Does anyone know why abcde would run without error, but produce Vorbis files of silence? |
| 10:10.13 | jethro | because you had the mime marceau in the cd player |
| 10:10.18 | natasiel | i have /usr shared between 2 computers, if I apt-get install xchat on a machine, the binaries are then installed for the 2 computers, but still 1 lack the required conf files in /etc |
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| 10:10.32 | PerfDave | (and no, I'm not ripping John Cage CDs) |
| 10:10.33 | jethro | natasiel: that's a fucked up idea |
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| 10:11.01 | huli | !d-i |
| 10:11.02 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 10:11.15 | PerfDave | natasiel: Do you want to ensure that your two machines always have the same software installed, or do you want to avoid downloading things twice if you're going to install them on both? |
| 10:11.46 | natasiel | PerfDave: Both |
| 10:12.04 | PerfDave | natasiel: Well, the solution to the second part is apt-proxy. |
| 10:12.23 | jethro | or run a local mirror :) |
| 10:12.23 | natasiel | PerfDave: Thank you, I have already considered that |
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| 10:12.45 | natasiel | PerfDave: Still the first part to solve |
| 10:13.09 | PerfDave | natasiel: There are ways to do it, I think. "jablicator" shows up as one possibility. |
| 10:13.26 | dbron | natasiel: just out of curiosity how are you "sharing" /usr, is it nfs? |
| 10:13.29 | PerfDave | jethro: apt-proxy's a lot less wasteful than running a local mirror, particularly for two machines :) |
| 10:13.29 | jethro | custom shell script with ssh would do it fine too |
| 10:13.37 | jethro | PerfDave: point :) |
| 10:13.40 | natasiel | dbron: nfs yes |
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| 10:13.50 | PerfDave | jethro: Using ssh means you have to enter the same configuration data twice though. |
| 10:14.06 | jethro | PerfDave: would you mind rephrasing? I m not sure I got the point |
| 10:14.34 | jethro | !lart me for lacking english skills |
| 10:14.39 | dbron | natasiel: that would be kind of messy if your network blinks |
| 10:14.53 | jethro | PerfDave: you mean all the debconf stuff? |
| 10:14.58 | PerfDave | jethro: Yes. |
| 10:15.15 | jethro | custom scripting could take that into account ;) |
| 10:15.36 | PerfDave | jethro: Not easily. |
| 10:15.41 | jethro | I d just have apt-proxy if I were in the same setup |
| 10:15.45 | jethro | and duplicate all commands |
| 10:15.57 | jethro | now if I had to deal with more systems, I ll write a script to do it |
| 10:16.01 | PerfDave | There's an existing tool to share debconf information between multiple machines, but I'm buggered if I can remember what it's called. |
| 10:16.09 | natasiel | dbron: That's the only way so far i found to have enough disk space |
| 10:16.11 | jethro | is it packaged? |
| 10:16.29 | PerfDave | jethro: I believe so, I'm not finding it with apt-cache searches though :/ |
| 10:17.00 | petemc | PerfDave: cfengine? |
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| 10:17.11 | jethro | PerfDave: can't find that either |
| 10:17.13 | dbron | natasiel: I'm not sure of the BEST way (this is probably the best place to find it) but nfs is probably not it |
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| 10:18.36 | freewoody | Hello all |
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| 10:19.00 | PerfDave | petemc: That looks like it. |
| 10:19.14 | PerfDave | natasiel: What disk space issue are you having? |
| 10:19.14 | freewoody | My Debian Sarge can't boot at att |
| 10:19.16 | freewoody | all |
| 10:19.34 | PerfDave | freewoody: Why not? What happens when you turn your computer on? |
| 10:19.49 | freewoody | The boot process stops when staring MTA |
| 10:19.55 | freewoody | It just hangs after that |
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| 10:20.03 | freewoody | I have to manually turn it off |
| 10:20.06 | PerfDave | freewoody: It's probably not stopping, just pausing for a few minutes, because you don't have a network connection available. |
| 10:20.14 | freewoody | I guess that I have to reinstall Sarge again |
| 10:20.57 | ircbot_ | why? |
| 10:20.59 | PerfDave | freewoody: How long have you left it before turning it off? It could take a good five or ten minutes, depending on what's in your mailq. |
| 10:21.23 | freewoody | Well I don't know |
| 10:21.33 | c4l1n | Gaim only connects halfway to AIM and I don't know what's wrong |
| 10:21.33 | jethro | damn me, I always thought cfengine was related to ColdFusion |
| 10:21.37 | PerfDave | You don't know how long you've left it before turning it off? |
| 10:21.40 | freewoody | After that I just can't boot in Debian anymore |
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| 10:21.48 | natasiel | 1gb hd everywhere is my life, heh |
| 10:22.04 | PerfDave | natasiel: *shrug* My last Debian system was on a 200Mb hard drive :p |
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| 10:22.25 | PerfDave | freewoody: How long have you tried leaving it? |
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| 10:24.07 | natasiel | PerfDave: you probably then understand the need to mount some gb here and there |
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| 10:24.15 | PerfDave | natasiel: I never needed to. |
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| 10:24.31 | PerfDave | natasiel: Just configure apt to auto-clean, or even not to keep any packages cached locally. |
| 10:24.54 | freewoody | I have left the boot process for 5 minutes |
| 10:25.05 | freewoody | But I turn it off after that |
| 10:25.20 | freewoody | So what's wrong with my Debian Sarge |
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| 10:25.56 | PerfDave | freewoody: Is it connected to a network? |
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| 10:26.16 | raf256 | C/C++ always uses '.' as floating point separator? |
| 10:26.25 | raf256 | no mater locales settings? |
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| 10:26.46 | freewoody | Yes it is but I have changed it to another separate Network |
| 10:27.03 | SlayerXP | did you update /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 10:27.17 | PerfDave | freewoody: Your network settings are incorrect. Your MTA is trying to connect to the network, and failing to do so, and waiting for queries to time out. This can take a long time to happen. |
| 10:27.36 | PerfDave | freewoody: Just leave it, it'll boot eventually. Then either fix the network settings, or reconfigure the MTA not to contact the network at boot time. |
| 10:27.45 | SlayerXP | more accurately your MTA is trying to do a DNS lookup which is timing out |
| 10:27.45 | petemc | or install ifplugd |
| 10:27.45 | freewoody | So how do I stop the MTA from starting at boot up ? |
| 10:27.56 | PerfDave | freewoody: You don't want to stop the MTA from starting at boot up. |
| 10:28.04 | PerfDave | freewoody: Just leave it, it'll boot eventually. Then either fix the network settings, or reconfigure the MTA not to contact the network at boot time. |
| 10:28.08 | petemc | freewoody: update-rc.d -f exim4 remove |
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| 10:28.33 | James | hallo?! |
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| 10:29.01 | James | brauche dringed Hilfe bei linux!? |
| 10:29.07 | PerfDave | !de |
| 10:29.07 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 10:30.01 | Jeo | newbie question: I've installed debian without net connection... the question "Configure the Network" did not surge |
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| 10:30.21 | Jeo | how can I install the connection... |
| 10:30.50 | jm_ | Jeo: how do you connect? |
| 10:30.56 | Jeo | actually, I need to recognize the net card |
| 10:31.06 | jm_ | load the module for it |
| 10:31.07 | jose09902 | hackin irc |
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| 10:31.27 | Jeo | thats why I am newbie, how can i do it? |
| 10:31.30 | Jeo | :( |
| 10:31.37 | PerfDave | Jeo: Which version of Debian did you install, how did you install it, what network card do you have? |
| 10:31.41 | jose09902 | :) |
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| 10:31.50 | jose09902 | este irc es de hacking |
| 10:32.11 | Jeo | 3.0, with cd 1, ethernet1000 |
| 10:32.29 | Jeo | normally, i install with net cable on |
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| 10:32.42 | PerfDave | Jeo: What is the output of "uname -r"? |
| 10:33.03 | jose09902 | as I can in contrar chat of hacking |
| 10:33.05 | Jeo | 2.2.20 |
| 10:33.14 | Jeo | idpeci |
| 10:33.22 | Jeo | idepci |
| 10:33.30 | streuner_ | Jeo: server or desktop? |
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| 10:33.36 | Jeo | desktop |
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| 10:33.40 | Jeo | :) |
| 10:33.45 | streuner_ | !d-i |
| 10:33.46 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 10:33.48 | idc | HI |
| 10:33.50 | Jeo | seems like a doctor visit |
| 10:33.59 | streuner_ | Jeo: get d-i |
| 10:34.12 | liable_ | Jeo: bend over, you wont feel a thing :) |
| 10:34.13 | idc | can anyone tell me in mlterm,how to bring out the config menu to setup blackground etc etc ? |
| 10:34.14 | Jeo | a |
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| 10:34.18 | suzzi | howdy all |
| 10:34.19 | streuner_ | Jeo: we need some infos otherwise we can't help |
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| 10:34.38 | idc | background* |
| 10:34.42 | Jeo | i see, I am giving am i? |
| 10:34.43 | streuner_ | Jeo: my crystal-thingie is in low stat ;-) |
| 10:34.44 | PerfDave | Jeo: 2.2.20 is pretty old, has poor hardware support. Installing a 2.4 kernel from the CD may help, but I'm not sure whether even that supports your NIC. |
| 10:34.57 | Jeo | ok... |
| 10:35.11 | Jeo | I will install it again... not that bad actually |
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| 10:35.21 | PerfDave | Jeo: You don't need to install it again! |
| 10:35.23 | suzzi | any one know if there is a way that I can edit a file on a ftp server (other then get->edit->put) via CLI??? |
| 10:35.34 | Jeo | to get the kernel |
| 10:35.39 | Jeo | 2.4... |
| 10:35.40 | petemc | suzzi: vim can do that |
| 10:35.44 | PerfDave | Jeo: You can just install a 2.4 kernel from the CD you have, without reinstalling the whole system. |
| 10:35.47 | suzzi | petemc: cool thanks |
| 10:36.16 | Jeo | PerfDave, I am a kind of newbie, i dont want bother anybody here |
| 10:36.19 | PerfDave | Jeo: However, you might want to consider installing Sarge. It has much more modern software (and hardware support), though it doesn't (yet) have security updates. |
| 10:36.30 | PerfDave | Jeo: So learn how to use Debian properly ;) |
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| 10:36.58 | Jeo | normally i install it connect to net internet... everything is great |
| 10:37.04 | PerfDave | Jeo: If you want to install a 2.4 kernel from your CD, search for "kernel-image-2.4" with apt-cache, and install a package with apt-get. This should be detailed in the Installation Manual. |
| 10:37.48 | Jeo | ok... dont worry, i am studing |
| 10:37.58 | Jeo | not prof yet |
| 10:38.00 | Jeo | :) |
| 10:38.27 | Jeo | I am just installing it diffently each time... |
| 10:38.32 | streuner__ | !tell Jeo about ig |
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| 10:38.48 | Jeo | what is ig? |
| 10:39.05 | streuner__ | read the factoid |
| 10:39.07 | PerfDave | Jeo: One of the best things about Debian is you virtually never need to reinstall it. |
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| 10:40.35 | idc | anyone use mlterm ? |
| 10:40.49 | petemc | !seen anyone |
| 10:40.50 | dpkg | anyone <~epsilon@port-212-202-174-13.dynamic.qsc.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 11h 17m 26s ago, saying: 'infinity1: no I don't'. |
| 10:40.53 | Jeo | I will try it out |
| 10:40.58 | Jeo | come later |
| 10:41.25 | idc | anybody use mlterm tell me where to configure it ,i cannot see where the config menu is,but i used to be there |
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| 10:44.52 | liable_ | idc: you dont have a .mlterm in /home |
| 10:45.15 | idc | liable_, fixed it,had to get mlterm-tools |
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| 10:47.22 | liable_ | yah! 80's night on music channel :( |
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| 10:49.18 | ircdevil | does spamassassin provide greylisting? |
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| 10:50.02 | gnufan | ircdevil no |
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| 10:50.33 | gnufan | ircdevil not as far as I know - what you trying to do? Postfix has a tool for it - postgrey... |
| 10:51.07 | petemc | theres greylistd for exim too |
| 10:51.50 | gnufan | USB key fob installs of Debian - is it suppose to read the installer from the miniscule 8MB boot.image.gz or did I miss something... |
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| 10:52.05 | idc | what is a neat identd for Xchat that i plan to install it to join those server requires identd ? |
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| 10:52.40 | petemc | idc: i just use oidentd, it seems to work |
| 10:53.22 | idc | petemc, just apt-get install oidentd,no need to configure it ? |
| 10:53.40 | petemc | idc: shouldnt be, i certainly cant remember ever having to |
| 10:53.52 | idc | let me try it out |
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| 10:55.18 | idc | worked :) |
| 10:56.47 | gnufan | If I need a repeatable install of Debian - whats the best way of going about it - create a custom CD with the packages, make my own repository? |
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| 10:57.27 | sep | gnufan: repeatable ? look at fai |
| 10:57.36 | evad[] | fai? |
| 10:57.46 | Guerin | gnufan: custom d-i, preseeding or a disk image if all the machines are the same |
| 10:57.55 | evad[] | interesting |
| 10:58.08 | evad[] | fully automatic install, eh. |
| 10:58.21 | sep | fai = fully automatic install. nice if you want to do the same install repeatadld on several boxes,. |
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| 10:58.55 | evad[] | for creating workstation "images" as such |
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| 11:01.53 | suzzi | hello all |
| 11:01.57 | suzzi | I'm back |
| 11:02.09 | suzzi | any one know if there are issues setting up PHP4 with apache2? |
| 11:02.22 | evad[] | well, generally, yes |
| 11:02.31 | suzzi | I'm upgrading from apache->apache2 and things area all kinds of screwy |
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| 11:02.38 | evad[] | some of PHP's libraries aren't thread safe, and Apache is threaded |
| 11:02.51 | evad[] | if you install the correct mpm module you don't have any problems (i.e. apache1 style process creation rather than threads) |
| 11:02.53 | suzzi | evad[]: |
| 11:03.05 | evad[] | yeah? |
| 11:03.05 | suzzi | evad[]: ahh thanks |
| 11:03.21 | evad[] | iirc you want the worker mpm module, the PHP docs have a great page about it |
| 11:03.49 | suzzi | evad[]: Cool I'll go do some more reading. thanks |
| 11:03.56 | evad[] | http://uk.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.apache2.php |
| 11:04.07 | evad[] | We do not recommend using a threaded MPM in production with Apache2. Use the prefork MPM instead, or use Apache1. For information on why, read the related FAQ entry on using Apache2 with a threaded MPM |
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| 11:10.02 | gothtec | How can I get an output from acpi similar to the "apm" command? I want to know how much power that's left on my laptop's battery. |
| 11:10.32 | petemc | gothtec: you can look in /proc/acpi/ yourself |
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| 11:11.23 | gnufan | Guerin ta - I actually want only one machine - I just need to be able to recreate it exactly without going out to the mirrors. Not that it will stay like that for more than a few hours. Maybe I'll install to a partition small enough to be dd'ed onto CD or something evil like that. |
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| 11:13.11 | gothtec | petemc: i can't find it in there :( |
| 11:13.30 | petemc | gothtec: should be in BAT0 or some such |
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| 11:22.06 | supaman | ehh, I have a problem with my sound, I have a four point speaker system with a bass box and when I play from cd's with xmms it only plays the sound on one of the four speakers .. but mp3's and ogg's get played on all four |
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| 11:22.35 | mr_claus | hi, i still have the problem that /var/run/stab is not changed after inserting a pcmcia wireless card into my laptop |
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| 11:23.02 | mr_claus | could it be a problem with pcmcia packages or do i have to configure some more stuff# |
| 11:23.05 | cthulfuego | Should it change? |
| 11:23.42 | idc | which version of kernel i should go for ? the 2.4x or the 2.6x ? from what i have heard ,the 2.6x still have some issues ? |
| 11:23.45 | mr_claus | cthulfuego: yes i think so, because the pcmcia packages are looking to that file to get the status of the pcmcia card |
| 11:23.57 | cthulfuego | mr_claus: try 'cardctl' |
| 11:23.58 | mr_claus | idc: use 2.6 |
| 11:24.10 | crashbg | i want to install new version of Skype from deb packet; do i have to apt-get remove the old version or i can install the new one and it will overrwrite automatically the old one's files? Which is better? |
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| 11:24.19 | mr_claus | cthulfuego: if i use cardctl i get the card informatins with ident and info |
| 11:24.24 | idc | mr_clark, hmm |
| 11:24.27 | cthulfuego | idc: Use 2.6 for all but the most mission-critical entreprise class systems |
| 11:24.40 | cthulfuego | mr_claus: *nod* is pcmcia-cs running? |
| 11:25.01 | cthulfuego | idc: 2.6 will give you better performance and more recent hardware support. |
| 11:25.04 | idc | cthulfuego, it will be a server-like debian |
| 11:25.10 | mr_claus | cthulfuego: yes of course its running |
| 11:25.17 | cthulfuego | idc: All my servers run 2.6 :-) |
| 11:25.22 | mr_claus | idc: which services you want to use? |
| 11:25.25 | idc | I see |
| 11:25.46 | idc | mr_clark, basically the irc services,plus that a few of BBS stuff |
| 11:26.18 | PerfDave | Does anybody have any idea why abcde seems to be working fine, but produces files of the right length containing only silence? |
| 11:26.23 | mr_claus | idc: i would use 2.6, i use 2.6 on all servers too |
| 11:26.44 | idc | Okay,i will try 2.6x :) thanks |
| 11:26.51 | cthulfuego | idc: BUT ... if you don't want to use a 2.6 kernel, there's no reason a 2.4 won't work justa s well. |
| 11:27.15 | idc | hehe for sure :) |
| 11:27.24 | cthulfuego | PerfDave: Superior SMP performance |
| 11:27.34 | PerfDave | cthulfuego: *shrug* Less stability. |
| 11:27.49 | drac | They completed SMP support in 2.6.12-rc3 .. |
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| 11:28.01 | cthulfuego | PerfDave: Not that I've noticed. 2.6.3 got to over 200 days ebfore the power failed for longer then the UPS could cope with ;-) |
| 11:28.04 | mr_claus | cthulfuego: i use a 2.6 kernel and pcmcia-cs of testing, the card is working which means i can use iwlist scan and get the network, but the scripts dont configure the card in right way because the status cannot be read out of /var/run/stab |
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| 11:28.27 | PerfDave | cthulfuego: YMMV, but I'm not sufficiently confident that 2.6 is stable enough to run on important systems. |
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| 11:28.53 | freewoody | Hi all |
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| 11:28.59 | cthulfuego | PerfDave: it runs mine just dandy |
| 11:29.06 | PerfDave | cthulfuego: Like I said, YMMV. |
| 11:29.22 | cthulfuego | That said, Windows needs rebooting, something's crashed |
| 11:29.28 | freewoody | I am seeing lots of Garbage in the login Screen |
| 11:29.32 | mr_claus | PerfDave: hmm, it depends on "what is important", i think priorities are different, for me 2.6 is stable enough in production environments |
| 11:29.36 | PerfDave | The only server I've got that's running 2.6 is not critical, and I'm only running 2.6 on it because there aren't Debian-provided amd64-k8-smp 2.4 kernels. And it was a buggy piece of shit that I had to fight to get working. |
| 11:29.52 | PerfDave | mr_claus: LIKE I SAID, YMMV |
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| 11:30.59 | drac | YMMV ? |
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| 11:30.59 | supaman | your milage may vary |
| 11:30.59 | mr_claus | but i would use 2.4 with ipsec environments |
| 11:30.59 | drac | k |
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| 11:31.00 | idc | kernel 2.6.11.7 ,downloading it |
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| 11:31.00 | nomed^ | hi |
| 11:31.00 | mr_claus | YMMV dont help if nobdy know what it means :) (like me) |
| 11:31.24 | nomed^ | is there a way to have a dpkg -l showing the complete package names? |
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| 11:31.25 | sep | mr_claus: if you dont know, ask dpkg |
| 11:31.51 | PerfDave | nomed^: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 11:31.52 | drac | idc: Use 2.6.12-rc3 if you want full performance for SMP system. They finally got it completed. But, of course, at your own risk. No problems here. |
| 11:31.52 | mr_claus | nomed^: use "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l" |
| 11:31.55 | jetscreamer | !ymmv |
| 11:31.55 | dpkg | i guess ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.] |
| 11:32.00 | nomed^ | mr_clark, ok thanks |
| 11:32.25 | idc | drac, thanks for the info |
| 11:32.28 | PerfDave | FFS, http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 11:32.39 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 11:32.49 | jetscreamer | that url doesn't exist |
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| 11:33.07 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Works for me. YMMV. |
| 11:33.13 | mr_claus | hmm, nobdy here who use a laptop and can take a look into /var/run/stab if there is something described inside about inserted pcmcia card? |
| 11:33.17 | jetscreamer | more lies |
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| 11:33.25 | jetscreamer | i love you |
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| 11:33.36 | jetscreamer | i hate you |
| 11:34.06 | freewoody | I see all this garbages like IN -eth1 OUT=MAC= ff0xl....... SRC:192.168.0.10 DST=192.168.0.5 |
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| 11:34.53 | Jeo | where can i put the dns? |
| 11:34.53 | jetscreamer | !printk |
| 11:34.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
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| 11:35.08 | Jeo | by console |
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| 11:35.31 | jetscreamer | jetscreamer: !!! |
| 11:35.34 | jetscreamer | err jethro |
| 11:35.35 | jethro | :) |
| 11:35.37 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 11:35.40 | freewoody | How can I change my IP Address and Subnet Mask in Debian |
| 11:35.52 | jethro | freewoody: use ifconfig, or to make it persistant, man interfaces |
| 11:35.53 | hettar | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:36.11 | Jeo | and the dns? |
| 11:36.12 | jetscreamer | tent |
| 11:36.20 | Jeo | where can we type it |
| 11:36.20 | jetscreamer | there is no dns |
| 11:36.29 | MrGoTo | Hi everybody. I've a question. Where can i find nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx. I don't find them in synaptic. |
| 11:36.30 | jethro | persist*ent* ? |
| 11:36.36 | Jeo | coz I can not go out |
| 11:36.37 | jetscreamer | man interfaces |
| 11:36.40 | _alt_ | Anywho using testing noticed anything funky with their mail utils? |
| 11:36.57 | Jeo | the fpt stuff doesnt work |
| 11:37.00 | hettar | edit /etc/resolv.conf for dns entries |
| 11:37.01 | jetscreamer | !dict persistent |
| 11:37.02 | _alt_ | frm/mail stalls at exit |
| 11:37.03 | dpkg | Dictionary 'persistent' (1 of 3): Persistent \Per*sist"ent\, a. [L. persistens, -entis, p. pr. of persistere. See Persist.] 1. Inclined to persist; having staying qualities; tenacious of position or purpose.. |
| 11:37.14 | jethro | hettar: no you don't do that in interfaces |
| 11:37.16 | jethro | oops |
| 11:37.25 | jethro | hettar: nevermind :) |
| 11:37.31 | jetscreamer | it's hosts or something |
| 11:37.39 | jetscreamer | jethro knows all |
| 11:38.13 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 11:38.13 | jetscreamer | no lie |
| 11:38.13 | jethro | I don't know much either |
| 11:38.13 | Jeo | ah.. and the i type "search and the dns number |
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| 11:38.13 | jcb | I get this error in my kernel log: "ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }". I dont have any device called ata2 in /dev, so how can i find out what device it is? |
| 11:38.14 | hettar | :) |
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| 11:38.19 | jethro | Jeo: yes , man resolv.conf for more information |
| 11:38.31 | jetscreamer | secondary secondary? |
| 11:39.18 | hettar | Jeo nameserver 1.2.3.4 etc |
| 11:39.22 | Bayway | Hi all! I have some problem with microphone on skype, can someone help me? |
| 11:39.24 | jetscreamer | your second ata channel i would guess |
| 11:39.29 | freewoody | How do I change my IP address and network mask permanently in Debian ? |
| 11:39.41 | jethro | Bayway: you mean the mic works in any other app, but skype? |
| 11:39.44 | jetscreamer | with nano or vi |
| 11:39.47 | hettar | freewoody: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:39.47 | sep | freewoody: man interfaces |
| 11:39.48 | Jeo | hettar, ah... not search 192.1...bla bal |
| 11:39.48 | jethro | freewoody: man 5 intercfafaces |
| 11:39.52 | jethro | freewoody: man 5 intercfaces |
| 11:39.55 | jethro | damn lag |
| 11:39.59 | jethro | hope you got the point |
| 11:40.09 | jetscreamer | interfeces |
| 11:41.16 | jetscreamer | yuck |
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| 11:41.16 | Bayway | my mic don't work only in skype |
| 11:41.16 | olecom | interfaces |
| 11:41.16 | jethro | Bayway: then you're on your own |
| 11:41.17 | hettar | Jeo search cjust specifies domains to search in if only a machine name is supplied |
| 11:41.17 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 11:41.20 | olecom | but i use iproute2 |
| 11:41.24 | jetscreamer | !hettar++ |
| 11:41.26 | hettar | Jeo: so if you had search home and typed ping bob then it would try to resolve bob.home |
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| 11:41.39 | jethro | jetscreamer: yiou didn't know that ? :) |
| 11:41.41 | Jeo | humm |
| 11:41.47 | sep | olecom: and ? there is no difference in the kernel |
| 11:41.52 | Jeo | thats was the prob |
| 11:42.00 | jetscreamer | i never cared :) but i've seen the file |
| 11:42.03 | jethro | heh |
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| 11:42.35 | jetscreamer | i detest manpages, most unreadable for me |
| 11:42.36 | Jeo | hettar, then... at the end... i type |
| 11:42.46 | Jeo | nameserver 192.168.1...bla bla |
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| 11:42.57 | cthulfuego | What's the command again to make syslogd/klogd stop echoing firewall logs to /dev/console ? |
| 11:43.00 | jetscreamer | but i wil when i have to |
| 11:43.04 | jethro | jeo did you read man resolv.conf at all? |
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| 11:43.30 | jm_ | cthulfuego: /msg dpkg printk console |
| 11:43.43 | Jeo | i am, i am |
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| 11:44.02 | jethro | jeo it tells it all, you shouldn't need further explanation imho :) |
| 11:44.28 | hettar | Jeo: One nameserver 1.2.3.4 per line |
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| 11:44.46 | jetscreamer | [06.34.51] <jetscreamer> !printk |
| 11:44.59 | jethro | !tell Bayway -about msg |
| 11:45.22 | hettar | Jeo: on my home network I only have one entry "nameserver 10.1.1.1" which points to my gateway |
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| 11:45.46 | jetscreamer | sounds like a router to me |
| 11:45.50 | Jeo | yes, thank you guys ... now it works |
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| 11:45.56 | jethro | nice to hear |
| 11:45.59 | cthulfuego | jm_: I don't understand how dome people manage to have those numbers be different. |
| 11:45.59 | Jeo | hehe |
| 11:46.01 | freewoody | How do I change my IP Address and Network Mask ? |
| 11:46.10 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 11:46.12 | jethro | !tell freewoody -about repeat |
| 11:46.18 | Guerin | freewoody: man interfaces |
| 11:46.18 | jetscreamer | lol@thetroll |
| 11:46.22 | jethro | freewoody: would you mind reading the answers we give you? |
| 11:46.24 | cthulfuego | freewoody: $EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:46.30 | jethro | Guerin: we told him 10 times already |
| 11:46.30 | Jeo | i just dont know when I will not be newbie anymore |
| 11:46.38 | gnufan | USB key fob install -- ah I see somewhere I'm suppose to put an ISO file or other Debian image... any hints on where best to put this so the Debian installer just finds it. At this point I have a bootable USB key fob that just says "No ISO image found" or words to that effect. |
| 11:46.43 | freewoody | Thanks alot |
| 11:46.49 | jetscreamer | and looking at jeo getting the same answers to the same question |
| 11:46.54 | jtza8 | I've frankensteined Ubuntu with Sarge, everything is working fine, except that Ubuntu uses udev and Sarge does some MAKEDEV junk that fails at boot. What is Debian's node generating proccess called? (So I can disable it at boot.) |
| 11:47.13 | jm_ | cthulfuego: defaults I think |
| 11:47.16 | Guerin | jethro: mah bayd |
| 11:47.19 | jethro | !pal jtza8 |
| 11:47.23 | cthulfuego | jm_: to 7 4 1 7 yes |
| 11:47.24 | jetscreamer | sarge uses udev sometimes |
| 11:47.36 | jetscreamer | so you fuxored something |
| 11:47.42 | jethro | Guerin: no problem, I was just willing to save you from doing pointless efforts :) |
| 11:47.45 | jetscreamer | think kernel |
| 11:47.51 | jetscreamer | and loaded modules |
| 11:47.57 | cthulfuego | jtza8: Your basic problem is that you mixed sarge and ubuntu. |
| 11:48.00 | jetscreamer | or static |
| 11:48.02 | Jeo | hehehe no man, i am really crazy... |
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| 11:48.13 | jethro | Jeo: no manpage for what? |
| 11:48.14 | Jeo | i promise, to ask something else next time |
| 11:48.21 | mr_claus | cthulfuego: like the manpage of cardmgr /var/lib/pcmcia/stab (in debian /var/run/stab) should contain informations about the pcmcia sockets :/ |
| 11:48.49 | cthulfuego | mr_claus: I reboot the laptop, otherwise I'd check for you... |
| 11:48.54 | Jeo | jethro... nice rock band... no, now it works fine |
| 11:48.55 | cthulfuego | s/reboot/can't reboot/ |
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| 11:49.09 | Jeo | thank everybody |
| 11:49.09 | jtza8 | cthulfuego, It's just because I'm not chicken :p |
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| 11:49.29 | jethro | Jeo: knowing nothing in the beginning is something one can expect from others, on the other hand, getting breastfeeded is not what one would expect from someone new to debian |
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| 11:49.47 | jetscreamer | you are a chicken. you laid an egg! |
| 11:50.01 | jetscreamer | a big stinky egg named ubuntusarge |
| 11:50.11 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 11:50.15 | jetscreamer | kinda |
| 11:50.43 | Jeo | yes... course |
| 11:50.54 | cthulfuego | jtza8: There's a difference between 'not chicken' and 'doing something stupid' |
| 11:51.10 | Bayway | !help |
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| 11:51.32 | jetscreamer | !assist bayway |
| 11:51.33 | idc | in Debian,how to get java support for firefox ? |
| 11:51.36 | jetscreamer | err |
| 11:51.40 | jetscreamer | !comfort Bayway |
| 11:51.41 | dpkg | There, there, Bayway. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 11:52.02 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 11:52.03 | dpkg | :), jetscreamer |
| 11:52.22 | drac | idc: /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 11:53.07 | ideafix | hi all |
| 11:53.32 | ideafix | no bot talk !? |
| 11:53.34 | idc | i dont get message |
| 11:53.47 | idc | my xchat window is floated |
| 11:54.09 | drac | idc: add contrib to sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install java-package, man make-jpkg. that's all you need. |
| 11:54.14 | ideafix | i ear debian has new "boss" |
| 11:54.16 | drac | just follow the manpage. |
| 11:54.33 | streuner | !topicsmite ideafix |
| 11:54.34 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ideafix. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 11:54.40 | jetscreamer | thee is no manpage |
| 11:54.50 | jetscreamer | err... s/thee/there/ |
| 11:55.07 | PerfDave | ideafix: Branden Robinson (aka Overfiend) was recently elected Debian Project Leader. See your favorite Linux news outlet for details. |
| 11:55.11 | ideafix | OverFiend ? |
| 11:55.19 | jetscreamer | overfiend? |
| 11:55.22 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 11:55.22 | streuner | his nick |
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| 11:55.24 | jetscreamer | jinx |
| 11:55.31 | idc | drac, thanks,let me try |
| 11:55.36 | PerfDave | /whois |
| 11:55.43 | jetscreamer | overfiend has certainly been there |
| 11:56.01 | jethro | he's even idling here at the moment |
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| 11:56.11 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 11:56.12 | Guerin | he watches and sees all |
| 11:56.22 | streuner | good |
| 11:56.22 | jethro | big brother for debian |
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| 11:56.32 | Guerin | if he didn't he'd be a sort-of-in-the-middle-fiend |
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| 11:56.47 | jetscreamer | good point |
| 11:56.51 | jethro | :) |
| 11:56.55 | jethro | !dict fiend |
| 11:56.57 | dpkg | Dictionary 'fiend' (1 of 2): Fiend \Fiend\, n. [OE. fend, find, fiend, feond, fiend, foe, AS. fe['o]nd; akin to OS. f[=i]ond, D. vijand enemy, OHG. f[=i]ant, G. feind, Icel. fj[=a]nd, Sw. & Dan. fiende, Goth. fijands; orig. p. pr. of a verb meaning to hate, AS. fe['o]n, fe['o]gan, OHG. f[=i]?n, Goth. fijan, Skr. p[=i]y to scorn; prob. akin to E. feud a quarrel. [root]81. Cf. Foe, Friend.] An implacable or malicious foe; one who is ... |
| 11:57.16 | jethro | wow I need to decipher that |
| 11:57.27 | ideafix | im a single child |
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| 11:57.41 | jetscreamer | not married eh |
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| 11:58.22 | NeoSadist | i know debian has that package voting thing, is there any way one can see the results from it? i'm wondering because i'm interested in which linux applications are the most popular / used / installed. |
| 11:58.27 | ideafix | fiend != friend |
| 11:58.37 | Guerin | NeoSadist: popcon.debian.org |
| 11:58.38 | PerfDave | NeoSadist: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 11:58.55 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 11:59.14 | Guerin | NeoSadist: the answer is: there is only one 'linux' application |
| 11:59.22 | streuner | cu |
| 11:59.27 | idc | drac, so now i should run 'make jpkg' ? |
| 11:59.30 | Guerin | !dove |
| 11:59.39 | idc | i just downloaded java-packages |
| 11:59.51 | ideafix | debian is over hail to unbuntu |
| 12:00.12 | jethro | ideafix: /m dpkg install java and follow instructions |
| 12:00.14 | NeoSadist | thanx |
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| 12:00.32 | NeoSadist | er, lol, i meant like gnu/oss but thanx i really appreciate the info |
| 12:00.35 | Guerin | ideafix: ubuntu without debian is just some brown decor |
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| 12:00.49 | jethro | ugly brown decor |
| 12:00.55 | ideafix | i like it |
| 12:00.57 | Guerin | brown has its place |
| 12:01.22 | Guerin | ideafix: like it you may, but if debian dies, debian-based dies with it. |
| 12:01.42 | ideafix | im glad ubuntu dosent smell the way it looks |
| 12:01.44 | ideafix | LOL |
| 12:01.53 | jethro | hah |
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| 12:02.25 | drac | idc: read the manpage. |
| 12:02.41 | ideafix | just kiding i think ubuntu is based on sam looks |
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| 12:02.50 | ideafix | its ok by me |
| 12:03.49 | streuner | ideafix: which distro do you use? |
| 12:04.25 | ideafix | i would use them all if i could |
| 12:04.53 | jethro | even mandrake? |
| 12:04.58 | jethro | err mandriva |
| 12:05.11 | ideafix | allready tryed that |
| 12:05.30 | ideafix | what wrong with it ? |
| 12:05.31 | jethro | yeah I did too 6 7 years ago |
| 12:05.47 | jethro | it's obfuscating things, and lacks a decent package management tools |
| 12:05.47 | ideafix | sam is mandrake based |
| 12:05.48 | jethro | tools |
| 12:05.49 | jethro | tool |
| 12:05.50 | Guerin | it's based on a bad hack on red hat |
| 12:05.52 | jethro | darn I can't type |
| 12:06.24 | ideafix | whatever |
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| 12:06.30 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 12:06.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, whatever is the last word of the loser of an argument |
| 12:06.36 | jethro | yeah, #debian is not the good place to troll on distros :) |
| 12:06.38 | Guerin | thanks for playing |
| 12:06.48 | ideafix | dpkg is lame |
| 12:06.55 | Guerin | *** insert coins *** |
| 12:07.06 | jethro | you must be kidding |
| 12:07.09 | ideafix | whatever is just i dont wanna argue angels sex any more |
| 12:07.22 | jethro | :) |
| 12:07.25 | Guerin | ? |
| 12:07.37 | streuner | well, you started it and you haven't no fun anymore? |
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| 12:07.43 | jethro | heh |
| 12:09.01 | drac | he's trying to insert fake money to slot machine now |
| 12:09.07 | drac | look at him trying |
| 12:09.13 | Guerin | i bet his floppy drive dies |
| 12:09.30 | Guerin | hope he doesn't short something and get electrocuted |
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| 12:09.54 | ideafix | i think you are all full of s*** |
| 12:10.03 | drac | aww :) |
| 12:10.08 | Guerin | why? |
| 12:10.12 | paulswm | !moron ideafix |
| 12:10.12 | dpkg | ideafix: You are moron #75 |
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| 12:10.21 | Guerin | we haven't been able to say anything... |
| 12:10.27 | trentbuck | 75 morons since when? this morning? |
| 12:10.42 | jethro | !moron me |
| 12:10.42 | ideafix | if r trying to be lame your doing a wonderfull job |
| 12:10.44 | dpkg | jethro: You are moron #92 |
| 12:10.45 | paulswm | trentbuck: The lasy 75 minutes, probably, heh |
| 12:10.47 | streuner | ideafix: i asked you 'which distro do you use'?... |
| 12:10.49 | jethro | the moron # is random |
| 12:10.49 | Guerin | trentbuck: /msg dpkg literal cmd: moron (.*?) |
| 12:10.56 | ideafix | streuner: get a life |
| 12:11.05 | streuner | ideafix: and you insult us rather me? why? |
| 12:11.10 | jethro | hi paulswm |
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| 12:11.12 | gothtec | When trying to run dhclient on my wireless card (eth0) i get two messages saying "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776". Wtf is sit0? |
| 12:11.20 | ideafix | i would use them all if i could |
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| 12:11.23 | paulswm | Hi, jethro !! |
| 12:11.29 | Guerin | ideafix: if u r tryng 2 typ engl1s u am doing 4 best j0b |
| 12:11.34 | drac | gothtec: ipv6 tunnel device .. |
| 12:11.39 | trand | anyone uses 'skippy' package? |
| 12:11.40 | streuner | ideafix: but you prefer other than debian, right? |
| 12:11.51 | jethro | !anyone |
| 12:11.51 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 12:11.59 | jethro | trand: look at the popcon |
| 12:12.09 | trand | yeap |
| 12:12.14 | jethro | trand: you'll get an answer with figures |
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| 12:12.18 | ideafix | i prefer whatever i prefer |
| 12:12.20 | gothtec | drac: how can I fix that warning? |
| 12:12.22 | streuner | yeah |
| 12:12.25 | ideafix | none of your buixness |
| 12:12.37 | jethro | ideafix: would you mind preferring putting an end to the endless trolls ? |
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| 12:12.40 | paulswm | Isn't there an op who can like stuff ideafix into the nearest dumpster |
| 12:12.48 | Guerin | ideafix: YOU fucking started this discussion, mate. |
| 12:12.59 | jethro | come one guys lets stop feed him |
| 12:12.59 | ideafix | lol |
| 12:13.04 | jethro | s/one/on/ |
| 12:13.20 | ideafix | and ive ended it |
| 12:13.24 | gothtec | ideafix: now you're done it. good luck calming these guys down :P |
| 12:13.28 | trand | i install 'skippy' package but I can use with only 'KP_Enter' |
| 12:13.29 | jethro | nice. period |
| 12:13.37 | paulswm | Heh |
| 12:13.39 | trand | keysym = KP_Enter, like this. |
| 12:13.43 | streuner | gothtec: hehe... |
| 12:13.51 | trand | cound i change it? |
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| 12:14.03 | jethro | trand: I suggest you read the fine doc |
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| 12:14.28 | ideafix | fine docs are just like wine the older the better |
| 12:14.29 | ideafix | LOL |
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| 12:14.43 | sceig | is there a line command tool in sarge that allow to have stat about cpu usage ? |
| 12:14.53 | Guerin | ideafix: you know nothing about either, clearly. |
| 12:14.54 | paulswm | sceig: vmstat |
| 12:14.59 | streuner | sceig: top |
| 12:15.05 | streuner | sceig: man ps |
| 12:15.22 | ideafix | Guerin: you know nothing about nothing |
| 12:15.27 | paulswm | sceig: as you can see, there are several |
| 12:15.40 | Guerin | there is nothing to know about nothing, so that's a fair comment. |
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| 12:15.47 | shaym | hello |
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| 12:16.01 | shaym | all users have correctly $LANG but not root |
| 12:16.12 | shaym | i don't understand why locales don't affect root ? |
| 12:16.13 | sceig | tks |
| 12:16.21 | ideafix | that really means you know less than nothing |
| 12:16.32 | jethro | heh |
| 12:16.34 | Guerin | ideafix: oxymoron |
| 12:16.40 | jethro | need help paulswm ? :) |
| 12:16.46 | paulswm | HAH |
| 12:16.47 | ideafix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:16.53 | jethro | sounds like an interesting project :) |
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| 12:17.12 | jethro | !ops ideafix is being a boring troll |
| 12:17.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ideafix is being a boring troll |
| 12:17.19 | sceig | vmstat and top has no package ? :( |
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| 12:17.24 | Guerin | ideafix: I'm an english teacher. I'll give you lessons at the cutprice rate of US$30/hour if you want |
| 12:17.28 | jethro | sceig: procps maybe |
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| 12:17.41 | ideafix | i know all i care to mention |
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| 12:17.45 | jethro | !find bin/top |
| 12:17.45 | Guerin | jethro: went off half-cocked |
| 12:18.03 | jethro | Guerin: hu? what's that supposed to mean? |
| 12:18.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 834] by debhelper |
| 12:18.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/top' (4): (/usr/bin/top) in base/procps ;; (/usr/bin/topal) in contrib/mail/topal ;; (/usr/lib/remstats/bin/topology-monitor) in net/remstats ;; (/usr/bin/{topmasq|topnet|toptcp}) in admin/tcpquota. |
| 12:18.18 | raf256 | !smite fucking authors of thunderbird for enabling compose-as-HTML mode by default |
| 12:18.23 | jethro | think I ll take the english lessons too |
| 12:18.24 | ideafix | that he is an imbecil ... |
| 12:18.29 | Guerin | jethro: 21:17:13 < jethro> !ops \n 1:17:22 -!- greycat [rfc1413@wooledge.org] has joined #debian |
| 12:18.38 | Dossy | raf256: Amen. :-) |
| 12:18.42 | ideafix | hi there greycat |
| 12:18.49 | jethro | hi there greycat |
| 12:18.49 | raf256 | Dossy: where the fuck can I turn this shit off? |
| 12:18.49 | ideafix | still hacking ? |
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| 12:19.03 | Guerin | raf256: that's the most sensible thing I've ever seen you say in here. |
| 12:19.06 | greycat | Guerin: someone I'm ignoring is acting up? |
| 12:19.06 | Dossy | raf256: I haven't found a config for it. |
| 12:19.07 | liable_ | sceig: vmstat is part of a package (which of course I cant remember) |
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| 12:19.14 | raf256 | holly shit |
| 12:19.16 | Guerin | greycat: no, it was seconds before you joined |
| 12:19.18 | ideafix | jethro: you too learing english the copy past way ? |
| 12:19.19 | raf256 | what a mother fucking morons |
| 12:19.23 | jethro | greycat: yeah ideafix |
| 12:19.34 | jethro | greycat: I called !ops just before you joined :) |
| 12:19.40 | raf256 | Dossy: I must search for some thunderbird devel list to tell them how much they suck |
| 12:19.41 | Dossy | raf256: Last I heard, the Mozilla Project's code was Open Source. You should submit patches. |
| 12:19.58 | Dossy | raf256: If you're too stupid to contribute code, you don't deserve to complain. |
| 12:19.59 | raf256 | Dossy: no time for that :/ and not enought skill probabbly |
| 12:20.06 | Guerin | it's because windows weenies won't use a mua which doesn't do html by default |
| 12:20.08 | Dossy | Right, so shut your piehole and be a user. |
| 12:20.10 | jethro | ideafix: not really, I try to learn english reading books, it's much better |
| 12:20.11 | ideafix | i wich i had ops just to ban ppl the request bans |
| 12:20.17 | Dossy | Or, go back to Microsoft Outlook, it might be more your speed. |
| 12:20.18 | ideafix | that* |
| 12:20.26 | raf256 | Guerin: that means thoes programmers are windoze-lamers-suckups |
| 12:20.26 | Guerin | compose isn't SO bad, since it has a 'send-in-plain-text-as-well' option |
| 12:20.28 | jethro | ideafix: register your own channel |
| 12:20.37 | raf256 | Guerin: where exacly is that option? |
| 12:20.44 | Guerin | raf256: most of mozilla dev is done on windows, I'm told. |
| 12:20.46 | raf256 | to totally get rid of shitty HTML (convert it always to normal txt) |
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| 12:20.51 | greycat | jethro: "... and then greycat showed up!" |
| 12:20.52 | Dossy | I'm almost motivated to hack on Thunderbird to add the "only reply to selected text" option. |
| 12:20.55 | raf256 | Guerin: fuckin lamorz |
| 12:20.56 | raf256 | -s |
| 12:21.03 | Dossy | OK, *wave* |
| 12:21.04 | jethro | greycat: exactly |
| 12:21.08 | Guerin | raf256: dunno exactly where. Haven't used it since 0.4 |
| 12:21.18 | raf256 | Dossy: indeed that would be nice option |
| 12:21.37 | ideafix | jethro: you summoned greycat noe deal with it |
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| 12:22.30 | mops | which logs are automatically rotated (i.e. truncated and written to another file) in /var/log? |
| 12:22.42 | Guerin | raf256: because that makes you so much better than devs who make free, cross-platform software on windoes |
| 12:23.00 | Guerin | mops: the ones you tell logrotate to deal with |
| 12:23.31 | Guerin | jethro: itym 'can of neverending sardines' |
| 12:23.38 | mops | is logrotate defaultly installed? |
| 12:24.00 | ircdevil | what is a citrix client? is that evil? |
| 12:24.01 | Guerin | dunno |
| 12:24.01 | jethro | !itym |
| 12:24.01 | dpkg | it has been said that itym is I Think You Mean |
| 12:24.09 | greycat | ircdevil: windows thin client stuff |
| 12:24.10 | jethro | heh |
| 12:24.54 | xelam[work] | where is config for ftpd stored? |
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| 12:25.04 | ircdevil | greycat: why would this institute want me to install windows and a citrix client to connect to their unix server, when i could connect to it via ssh? |
| 12:25.15 | greycat | ircdevil: don't ask me... |
| 12:25.19 | streuner | xelam: config are usually stored in /etc/ |
| 12:25.20 | petemc | most odd |
| 12:25.26 | petemc | tsclient does citrix |
| 12:25.34 | Guerin | ircdevil: do they think you're a clueless weenie? |
| 12:25.40 | greycat | xelam[work]: depends on which ftpd. |
| 12:25.53 | greycat | xelam[work]: the most basic ones just use the command line arguments from inetd.conf |
| 12:25.56 | ircdevil | what ports does this citrix run on? and what protocol? |
| 12:25.58 | raf256 | Guerin: indeed =o/ |
| 12:26.14 | petemc | citrix have recently released a linux based appliance |
| 12:26.15 | raf256 | Guerin: I ment, if I would do it on windows I would done it win32 only |
| 12:26.34 | raf256 | not that it matters, app is only for one-time-use... but in entire poland \o/ |
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| 12:26.42 | ircdevil | petemc: aha! |
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| 12:27.02 | jethro | citrix is cool |
| 12:27.07 | petemc | paulswm: i use secure gateway running on tomcat myself |
| 12:27.08 | Guerin | raf256: why? they realise the bulk of their users run windows; windows is at least as sane a dev option as *nix, if only for testing purposes |
| 12:27.23 | jahi | Hi, is there a convenient way to set the locales? |
| 12:27.29 | raf256 | Guerin: huh: |
| 12:27.30 | raf256 | ? |
| 12:27.32 | trentbuck | citrix is only cool compared to VNC or Microsoft RDP. It's not a patch on SSH. |
| 12:27.34 | Guerin | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:27.37 | brunocesar | hello there, iwant to run a shell-script in the boot process but i don't know how to do it, i've created the script, give execution to this, placed a simbolic link to this in /etc/init.d/ and run the command update-rc.d -n -f myscript defaults but nope, it not runs |
| 12:27.37 | jethro | jahi: dpkg-reconfigure -p low locales |
| 12:27.38 | petemc | paulswm: im not aware of any linux client that works with the ssl relay part of secure gateway tho |
| 12:27.39 | ideafix | what are the locals ? |
| 12:27.41 | jahi | thx |
| 12:27.45 | Guerin | raf256: what's unclear? |
| 12:27.46 | streuner | jahi: or apt-get install localeconf |
| 12:27.49 | ideafix | loclas aka residents ? |
| 12:27.49 | raf256 | Guerin: all sentence |
| 12:27.52 | jethro | trentbuck: citrix allows one to export applications only, and not desktops |
| 12:28.02 | Guerin | raf256: apart from the thing that you think USING free software is better than DEVELOPING it |
| 12:28.03 | petemc | citrix exports desktops fine |
| 12:28.06 | jethro | trentbuck: otoh, citrix is flawed in numerous ways, but still usefull |
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| 12:28.13 | xelam[work] | i have the packaged "ftpd" installed; what determines the default masks for files uploaded to it? |
| 12:28.14 | jethro | petemc: I know, but exporting apps is better imho |
| 12:28.14 | petemc | jethro: incorrect |
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| 12:28.21 | ideafix | whats citrix for ? |
| 12:28.23 | trentbuck | jethro: ssh -X graphical-application |
| 12:28.25 | petemc | jethro: why? |
| 12:28.28 | raf256 | Guerin: ok ok, sorry for promoting linux, I suck, I will go back to windows now. |
| 12:28.36 | jethro | trentbuck: ever tried to ssh to a windows server ? |
| 12:28.38 | paulswm | You can give someone access to Remote Desktop app on a Ctrix server, I use it to connect to my office XP box |
| 12:28.42 | ssb | please kill this "eXpReSs" spammer guy |
| 12:28.45 | jethro | petemc: because you give limited access |
| 12:28.55 | jethro | petemc: allowing to access the whole desktop is not recommended |
| 12:28.57 | trentbuck | jethro: hence my statement "good vs. VNC/MS-RDP, crap vs. ssh" |
| 12:29.01 | Guerin | raf256: no... stop writing prorpietary win32 software and write free software instead. |
| 12:29.18 | jethro | petemc: at least in the way I consider information security |
| 12:29.18 | raf256 | Guerin: I cant, license with company dissalows that |
| 12:29.22 | petemc | jethro: well, i guess that depends on what you're trying to achieve, doesnt it |
| 12:29.26 | ideafix | yeah write gnu64 soft |
| 12:29.31 | Guerin | raf256: this is my point. |
| 12:29.41 | jethro | petemc: indeed, I was talking a citrix setup in a corporate environment |
| 12:29.45 | streuner | ssb: pr0n spam? |
| 12:29.56 | ssb | yup |
| 12:29.58 | raf256 | Guerin: well, bettern closed win+linux then closed win |
| 12:30.05 | streuner | ssb: what's the IP? |
| 12:30.06 | petemc | jethro: i guess you could describe my environment as corporate |
| 12:30.23 | jethro | petemc: and you let all users access a desktop on the citrix system? |
| 12:30.27 | ideafix | whats a corporate enviromente ? |
| 12:30.32 | paulswm | jethro: mine, too, and Remote desktop is exported as an app |
| 12:30.38 | petemc | jethro: the ones that need a desktop.. |
| 12:30.38 | Guerin | an environment withing a corporation |
| 12:30.40 | Guerin | naturally |
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| 12:30.51 | ideafix | of course |
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| 12:30.59 | ideafix | but what dose it looks like ? |
| 12:31.05 | brunocesar | iwant to run a shell-script in the boot process but i don't know how to do it, i've created the script, give execution to this, placed a simbolic link to this in /etc/init.d/ and run the command update-rc.d -n -f myscript defaults but nope, it not runs |
| 12:31.06 | directhex|work | i use rdesktop at home. it's actually pretty nice, though an odd problem has appeared since january when i last used it |
| 12:31.07 | ideafix | does |
| 12:31.11 | Danar | can someone help me figure out why apt-listchanges always displays a blank page instead of the changes? |
| 12:31.12 | petemc | ideafix: large hamster cage |
| 12:31.12 | Guerin | ideafix: 0001101011010100101001001001010101000001 |
| 12:31.24 | jethro | petemc: anyways, as citrix is flawed you can circumvent the desktop / app only thingie |
| 12:31.42 | petemc | jethro: how? |
| 12:31.44 | jethro | petemc: but I really appreciated to have apps only and not the whole desktop at each time |
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| 12:31.53 | jethro | petemc: fiddle with the client setup file |
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| 12:32.06 | mops | I have 2 files in /var/log: syslog and syslog.0 |
| 12:32.07 | jethro | petemc: you can launch almost anything you want |
| 12:32.10 | streuner | ssb: what's the IP? |
| 12:32.21 | mops | was that syslog.0 created with logrotate? |
| 12:32.25 | paulswm | mops: yes |
| 12:32.26 | Guerin | mops: yeah |
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| 12:32.47 | mops | and how can I know ALL files that logrotate is dealing with? |
| 12:32.47 | petemc | jethro: i doubt that, you have a fine grained control over whats launched with policy files |
| 12:32.55 | paulswm | mops: look at the logrotate config file |
| 12:33.03 | paulswm | mops: man logrotate |
| 12:33.04 | ssb | streuner, 16:28 - eXpReSs [~D12@62.135.38.123] has quit [Client Quit] |
| 12:33.06 | jethro | petemc: you can also abuse 'features' like word launching ie, then launching the cmd.exe then launching the desktop |
| 12:33.18 | petemc | not on any server i admin.. |
| 12:33.26 | mops | paulswm: I did also |
| 12:33.42 | chealer | directhex|work: a friend told me about a little hack to be able to use several sessions at the same time with rdesktop for Win XP |
| 12:33.42 | mops | but I didn't find syslog ANYWHERE |
| 12:33.44 | jethro | I d need to look at it again, but like a year ago, all this was possible |
| 12:34.29 | jethro | but still I like citrix :) |
| 12:34.29 | streuner | ssb: eXpReSs has quit (Client Quit) |
| 12:34.43 | directhex|work | chealer, i think it only worked in late xp sp2 betas. anyway, i only ever have 1 session, to my server 2003 machine |
| 12:35.23 | mops | and when is run logrotate? |
| 12:35.35 | mops | because I haven't got it in root's crontab |
| 12:35.48 | ideafix | what this irc gaming channel ? |
| 12:35.48 | jm_ | that's because it's in /etc/cron* files |
| 12:35.50 | Guerin | mops: cron.daily |
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| 12:36.11 | Guerin | ideafix: your sentence no verb. |
| 12:36.25 | torc | on some mans i get "iconv: conversion from `-t' is not supported", how can i fix that? |
| 12:36.26 | ideafix | keyboard is geting old |
| 12:36.27 | xoz | mops: look in /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 12:36.55 | ideafix | Guerin: dont you have some class you need to atend ? |
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| 12:37.00 | mops | thx |
| 12:37.06 | chealer | directhex|work: yes, so some took the modified file, and put it for final SP2. "seems to work" anyway. basically makes windows as good as linux :-P |
| 12:37.17 | Guerin | ideafix: no. I work 9-5, unlike most. |
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| 12:37.45 | ideafix | go correct some exams |
| 12:37.58 | Guerin | ideafix: I'm about to eat dinner, so if you're quick, you'll only have streuner and jethro to tear bits off you when you start talking shit. |
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| 12:38.16 | jethro | I already gave up on him |
| 12:38.20 | ideafix | whats this irc gaming channel ? |
| 12:38.26 | Guerin | ideafix: your sentence no verb. |
| 12:38.30 | Guerin | ideafix: your sentence STILL no verb. |
| 12:38.39 | ideafix | is |
| 12:38.40 | ideafix | is |
| 12:38.43 | greycat | ideafix: #idlerpg |
| 12:38.50 | ideafix | leave me alone you prick |
| 12:38.53 | Danar | can someone help me figure out why apt-listchanges always displays a blank page instead of the changes? |
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| 12:39.07 | onre | stop sniffing glue. it's bad for your brain. |
| 12:39.08 | ideafix | i hate rpg and the kind |
| 12:39.15 | xoz | Danar: perhaps no changes? ;) |
| 12:39.17 | jethro | you can't idle either |
| 12:39.25 | Guerin | too much crack |
| 12:39.27 | Guerin | makes him edgy |
| 12:39.33 | ideafix | only like strategie and fps |
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| 12:39.37 | Danar | xoz: no, then it wouldn't bother trying to display them :p |
| 12:39.53 | jethro | ideafix: then go play for some time and leave us alone :) |
| 12:39.57 | Danar | it always does this when there is though |
| 12:40.01 | ideafix | me looks at Guerin and see an crack stone ! |
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| 12:40.27 | Guerin | who is an, and why is he cracking stones? |
| 12:40.32 | Danar | it only displays bugs/warnings, and stuff |
| 12:40.51 | greycat | Guerin: maybe he meant Ann. |
| 12:40.53 | greycat | or Anne. |
| 12:40.58 | paulswm | mops: /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd - I was mistaken, doesn't use logrotate but savelog |
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| 12:41.15 | Guerin | greycat: or Ahn. I have a friend called Ahn. She's a bit weeny, though, wouldn't be much use on a chain gang. |
| 12:41.22 | ideafix | Guerin: just made the ignore list ! congrats ! |
| 12:41.23 | jm_ | yeah syslog is not rotated by logrotate, that surprised me too ;) |
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| 12:41.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:41.39 | greycat | Guerin: does Korea even *make* large women? |
| 12:41.42 | onre | congratulations on making the ignore list. |
| 12:41.43 | milan145 | i can't get oroborus to display themes or schemes on debian woody |
| 12:41.52 | Guerin | greycat: YES. |
| 12:41.54 | ideafix | hehe |
| 12:41.55 | Guerin | (rarely) |
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| 12:42.06 | ideafix | you filthy pigs |
| 12:42.07 | gothtec | Guering: he looks at you and "sees a crack store"... much like he does when he looks at just about everything else |
| 12:42.09 | greycat | Guerin: ah. |
| 12:42.28 | Guerin | greycat: most of them appear to stop growing at about age 14 |
| 12:42.39 | ideafix | gothtec: i look at you and see a piece of shit |
| 12:42.40 | Guerin | but maybe I'm just from New Zealand... |
| 12:42.44 | paulswm | greycat: can't we ditch ideafix , this is tiresome |
| 12:42.49 | jethro | yeah |
| 12:42.57 | jethro | I was about to ask if we should all /ignore him |
| 12:43.01 | Guerin | bah |
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| 12:43.02 | onre | too bad AI to be even amusing. |
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| 12:43.08 | jethro | or if you'd be kind enough to save us from typing this |
| 12:43.09 | Guerin | I don't ignore people, I make them ignore me. |
| 12:43.17 | paulswm | !prize Guerin |
| 12:43.20 | greycat | ideafix: you can stop being annoying now. |
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| 12:43.29 | gothtec | ideafix: ouch. that really hurt! |
| 12:43.35 | ideafix | they are the ones anoying me |
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| 12:43.44 | greycat | ideafix: so be mature and ignore them |
| 12:43.44 | ideafix | jakals |
| 12:43.48 | ideafix | jackals |
| 12:43.49 | priest | which packages is needed to burn dvd in woody? |
| 12:43.59 | greycat | priest: good luck on that. |
| 12:44.03 | Guerin | priest: were there even dvd burners in 2002? |
| 12:44.08 | jethro | heh |
| 12:44.09 | greycat | priest: my first guess would be "a backport of dvd+rw-tools" |
| 12:44.10 | priest | :( |
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| 12:44.58 | jak_ | hi. i wanna install proftpd on a machine which is not connected to the inet.. can i cache the packages with apt-get? (problem is that i cleared my cache some days ago and have proftpd installed, so i dont know which packages to download) |
| 12:44.58 | brunocesar | hello? somebody there knows how work the debian init scripts? |
| 12:44.58 | Danar | bah, forget it. you guys rarely help much anyway |
| 12:44.59 | streuner | Guerin: prolly, but almost nobody can effort them |
| 12:44.59 | jethro | jak_: apt-zip / apt-move is what you want |
| 12:45.01 | greycat | brunocesar: ask a question that someone can actually answer |
| 12:45.02 | jethro | brunocesar: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 12:45.17 | treestone | jak_: dpkg-repack will re-create a .deb from what you have installed (which can sometimes be convenient) |
| 12:45.37 | ideafix | whats this irc gaming channel named ? |
| 12:45.40 | brunocesar | greycat ive made the question 2 times without answer. |
| 12:45.45 | priest | greycat: if i install the dvd+rw-tools, what do i need more? |
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| 12:45.57 | brunocesar | jethro thanks but i've alread read |
| 12:46.06 | greycat | brunocesar: make sure your script is chmod +x, and that it begins with the proper shebang. |
| 12:46.08 | streuner | priest: woody or desktop? |
| 12:46.17 | streuner | priest: server or desktop? |
| 12:46.25 | gothtec | ideafix: THE irc gaming channel? the only one? |
| 12:46.25 | directhex|work | heh @ streuner |
| 12:46.25 | priest | on desktop |
| 12:46.26 | paulswm | brunocesar: Then read about the boot process in the debian reference manual |
| 12:46.32 | greycat | brunocesar: and I can't *stand* update-rc.d. It's not meant for human use. It's meant for scripts. Just use ln -s like the rest of us.... |
| 12:46.44 | streuner | priest: why not just install sarge then? |
| 12:46.45 | ideafix | gothtec: do you know any ? |
| 12:46.46 | jethro | rcconf! |
| 12:46.47 | directhex|work | gothtec, yeah, quakenet is all about seizmology |
| 12:47.04 | paulswm | Heh |
| 12:47.10 | priest | streuner: i don't wanna have 500 mb updates per week |
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| 12:47.12 | ideafix | i thought it as about quakers |
| 12:47.18 | petemc | brunocesar: you've read /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz ? |
| 12:47.20 | priest | and things messing up the system |
| 12:47.36 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 12:47.37 | streuner | priest: you don't have to..., that's for sid nowadays... |
| 12:47.37 | dpkg | i guess woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 12:47.43 | directhex|work | !woody desktop |
| 12:47.43 | dpkg | If you're running a desktop machine, odds are you want to install Sarge instead. However, if you really require the stability and security that Woody offers, you can install Woody. If you do, please don't complain to Debian about the age of software in stable, etc. |
| 12:47.50 | brunocesar | petemc, no, ive read from debian on-line manual |
| 12:47.51 | priest | streuner: is sarge frozen now? |
| 12:48.02 | petemc | brunocesar: try that |
| 12:48.04 | streuner | priest: its not stable... |
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| 12:48.17 | xoz | brunocesar: or you can try file-rc so that you just have to edit one file to control init. |
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| 12:48.23 | directhex|work | GamesNET is all about about mollecular modelling application PC-G.A.M.E.S. |
| 12:48.36 | ideafix | any one knows any good scientology priest ? |
| 12:48.54 | ideafix | i need to give last rites to my old computer |
| 12:49.05 | directhex|work | gravity test it |
| 12:49.08 | directhex|work | best send-off for a pc |
| 12:49.21 | Phated | From a high floor. |
| 12:49.26 | Phated | Into a crowd. |
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| 12:49.31 | directhex|work | yes! |
| 12:49.37 | directhex|work | hello there Phated |
| 12:49.39 | Phated | Of Gentoobies. |
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| 12:50.08 | Phated | "You want a fast computer?! How's 9.8 m/s^2?!" |
| 12:50.26 | BadMan | gents I am trying to get this damn CMI8330 working still I have /etc/isapnp.conf filled using pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf but have no clue on what to uncomment in the file.... I don't get a chance to see the card identifier as the grub boot menu shows up before I can see the hardware info screen and use the scroll lock, any ideas? |
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| 12:50.37 | xoz | Phated: depends on how high? |
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| 12:51.04 | Phated | Eh? That's only acceleration. Actual speed depends. |
| 12:51.05 | brunocesar | xoz, how does file-rc works? i cant find a man for this |
| 12:51.18 | directhex|work | m/s² |
| 12:51.24 | Phated | Yeah, that. |
| 12:51.33 | directhex|work | !unicode++ |
| 12:51.34 | xoz | brunocesar: apt-cache show file-rc |
| 12:51.39 | Phated | Bleh. |
| 12:51.42 | jethro | brunocesar: apt-get install rcconf shoudl be easier than filerc |
| 12:51.57 | jethro | you just have to check/uncheck things |
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| 12:52.59 | brunocesar | jethro, nice |
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| 12:53.32 | xoz | brunocesar: you can backup runlevel.conf and everytime you update, you restore the backup to avoid unnecessary daemons starting. |
| 12:54.17 | xoz | brunocesar: better than check/uncheck everytime you upgrade |
| 12:55.15 | brunocesar | xoz, how do i do that? |
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| 12:56.27 | BadMan | is it possible to boot from say a win98se bootdisk to gleen info for the sound cards io, dma irq etc...? the pnpdump has like 4 or 5 choises for it? it is the only isa card in the system.. |
| 12:56.33 | ircdevil | i want to check if i can reach a certain ip with a certain port using a specific protocol. what is the nmap syntax for tcp -sS or -sT ? |
| 12:56.38 | brunocesar | now i realized, its easier to write the script, place the simbolic link in /etc/init/ and check it is executable right? |
| 12:57.17 | xoz | brunocesar: apt-get install file-rc... edit /etc/runlevel.conf... once you are satisfied with your choices, keep a copy and restore it everytime you upgrade since upgrading automatically adds daemons to the init startup which you may not want. |
| 12:57.54 | brunocesar | xoz, ok, thanks for the clean explanation |
| 12:58.10 | jethro | ircdevil: you want hping2 to do that, and not nmap |
| 12:58.47 | ircdevil | jethro: actually i need to figure if the connection is blocked by our firewall |
| 12:58.59 | greycat | BadMan: are you using a 2.2.x kernel? |
| 12:59.11 | BadMan | greycat: 2.6.8 |
| 12:59.20 | jethro | ircdevil: hping2 is much more felxible than nmap, and allows one to generate any kind of IP packets |
| 12:59.24 | greycat | BadMan: then you shouldn't have to muck around with isapnp configuration |
| 12:59.39 | greycat | BadMan: just load the driver and let *it* do the kernelmode isapnp crap for you |
| 12:59.49 | BadMan | hmmm |
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| 13:00.39 | spiros | can sarge display boot & init process in graphics mode, i.e. like fedora rhgb package does? |
| 13:00.52 | BadMan | greycat: this is why I having troubles here: modprobe snd-cmi8330 |
| 13:00.52 | BadMan | FATAL: Error inserting snd_cmi8330 (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/kernel/sound/isa/snd-cmi8330.ko): No such device |
| 13:01.06 | ircdevil | jethro: i am looking for the traceroute-like usage with different protocols? |
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| 13:01.15 | susewenz | does anybody know, which cd-image I need to use in order to install sarge on a new system with sata? I always get: no partitionable media |
| 13:01.16 | jethro | ircdevil: are you asking me? |
| 13:01.28 | jm_ | ircdevil: there's also tcptraceroute |
| 13:01.31 | BadMan | susewenz: use boot otpion of linux26 |
| 13:01.35 | jethro | ircdevil: with hping, tcptraceroute is hping -Tnk -S |
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| 13:02.00 | streuner | susewenz: what SATA controller do you have? |
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| 13:02.14 | tuxracer | test - please ignore ;-) |
| 13:02.24 | greycat | BadMan: well, I can't help much with ALSA. Are you sure that's the *right* driver? And that there's no OSS driver loaded already? |
| 13:02.57 | BadMan | yeah its the right driver.. and likely there is some sorta sound driver loaded already... will try removing them all first then try again |
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| 13:04.41 | ircdevil | jm_ ah, so a reply from tcptraceroute 80.80.6.198 900 saying [open] means i can reach this host and port thru out firewall? |
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| 13:07.14 | susewenz | the board is Asus K8S-MX Onboard pci s-ata controller (ide by bion) where do I find more information? |
| 13:07.36 | jak_ | im searching for a method for installing a single package and its depencies... i just read about apt-zip, but it "wants" to update my whole system while i just want a single package... could somebody give me a hint for a tut or somthing? THX |
| 13:07.48 | BadMan | hmm no /dev/dsp |
| 13:08.20 | greycat | susewenz: usually lspci |
| 13:08.24 | jak_ | (on a machine which has no connectoion to the inet |
| 13:08.34 | streuner | susewenz: just open a shell and type what greycat told you |
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| 13:10.09 | susewenz | greycat+streuner: there is no linux on the system yet, but I'll try |
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| 13:10.27 | greycat | susewenz: so boot a Debian CD and get to a shell prompt. |
| 13:10.32 | streuner | susewenz: http://groups.google.de/groups?q=Asus+K8S-MX+debian&hl=de&lr=&selm=3p4ZI-4UW-15%40gated-at.bofh.it&rnum=1 |
| 13:10.34 | hachre | Hi there, how do I reconfigure a package like locales? I remember something like dpkg --reconfigure but that doesn't work... |
| 13:10.53 | jethro | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:10.57 | hachre | ahhh |
| 13:10.59 | hachre | thanks :) |
| 13:11.05 | J_P | how I do for dpkg send msg in private message for me ? |
| 13:11.09 | jethro | dpkg-reconfigure -p <priority> <package_name> |
| 13:11.14 | jethro | J_P: just /msg it |
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| 13:11.23 | J_P | jethro: ok |
| 13:11.51 | susewenz | streuner: thanks, I'm going to read... |
| 13:12.12 | J_P | eclipse not have more package in sarge ? why ? |
| 13:12.22 | streuner | susewenz: according what he said, you prolly need help to run linux at all |
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| 13:13.44 | pepsi_ | my aptitude performs badly in ssh/screen, any thing to do about it? :/ |
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| 13:14.38 | takatumi | pepsi_: badly how? |
| 13:16.43 | BadMan | arg stupid ass card! |
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| 13:17.05 | BadMan | it should not be this damn difficult! |
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| 13:19.37 | oKtosiTe | If I totally switch to Unicode, will I run into serious trouble communicating with other people? |
| 13:19.58 | streuner | susewenz: subsribe to ML (mailing-list) linux.debian.ports.x86-64 |
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| 13:20.18 | streuner | susewenz: and ask in #debian-amd64 |
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| 13:21.08 | streuner | susewenz: somebody said, there aren't any SiS driver out, that was in march... |
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| 13:22.04 | susewenz | streuner: yesterday I tried to install amd64, but today I try i386 |
| 13:22.55 | Guerin | oKtosiTe: no. |
| 13:22.57 | susewenz | streuner: no Sis driver: does it mean, there is no chance? |
| 13:22.59 | streuner | susewenz: well, the answers i gave you are based on the mobo itself |
| 13:23.11 | directhex|work | sounds like sata_sis to me |
| 13:23.14 | Guerin | oKtosiTe: not on account of your character set, anyway. |
| 13:23.18 | directhex|work | and sis sata support is hairy at best |
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| 13:23.35 | BleSS | hi! |
| 13:23.36 | directhex|work | perhaps a very latest amd64 sid installer would work, but you're looking at a 2.6.11 kernel being too old |
| 13:23.36 | oKtosiTe | Guerin, on account of what then? |
| 13:23.37 | BleSS | my usb mouse shows (sed -n '/Mouse/,/P/p' /proc/bus/input/devices): 'Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0' , but don't should show anything as 'Phys=usb-0000:00:1d.0-2/input0'? |
| 13:23.58 | streuner | directhex|work: http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&th=d4e8709dc9fe1d4&rnum=6 |
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| 13:24.21 | oKtosiTe | Guerin, all I really want is for Chinese, Japanese, Hebrew, etc., to show correctly... |
| 13:24.32 | streuner | Sis 190 Ethernet Card |
| 13:24.51 | BadMan | this bites! |
| 13:25.14 | directhex|work | streuner, i'm not far wrong, then, with "you're looking at a 2.6.11 kernel being too old" |
| 13:25.18 | streuner | BleSS: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
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| 13:25.27 | BadMan | she's going to make put fscking windows back on it... |
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| 13:25.57 | streuner | directhex|work: she's using d-i... |
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| 13:26.12 | cahoot | planning to force linux on someone? |
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| 13:26.17 | renzo | hello |
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| 13:26.33 | BadMan | cahoot: no she is all for it, but she wants sound.... |
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| 13:26.55 | Guerin | buy a real sound card |
| 13:27.01 | renzo | if I do a make menuconfig in my kernel source dir I just get a dialog stating that I should select a .config file. Nothin happens if I select one though |
| 13:27.28 | petemc | renzo: its sufficient to have a .config file in that dir |
| 13:27.33 | Guerin | if there was a .config in . then it'd do it automatically |
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| 13:27.47 | renzo | it's in that dir... |
| 13:27.55 | Guerin | strace |
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| 13:28.03 | BadMan | Guerin: by real sound card you mean waste $60 on a hyped up POS from creative or Yamaha.. nothanks.. ANY real soundc ard is not an onboard soundcard. |
| 13:28.18 | renzo | gateway:/usr/src/linux# ls -la | grep .config |
| 13:28.18 | renzo | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 35061 26. Apr 15:09 .config |
| 13:28.30 | Guerin | BadMan: sblive $30 new online... |
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| 13:28.39 | renzo | or anythin wrong with the attributes? |
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| 13:28.56 | petemc | renzo: no, looks fine |
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| 13:29.05 | Guerin | yeah, kernel needs to be writable by the person who calls menuconfig |
| 13:29.09 | Guerin | which should never be root |
| 13:29.27 | saabin | hello, good morning. I tried to mail file.pdf via metasend as attachment I get an attachment as "subject.dat" am I doing something wrong. I am avoiding uuencode |
| 13:29.33 | directhex|work | actually Guerin is right, the difference in ease of use moving from snd-intel8x0 to snd-emu10k is mindblowing |
| 13:30.12 | Guerin | hell, even the ess maestro3 I cribbed from school is better than the damn onboard... |
| 13:30.35 | streuner | emu10k1 aren't that expensive nowadays... |
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| 13:31.39 | cahoot | BadMan: you are aware /dev/dsp isn't a native alsa device - need snd-pcm-oss to get that |
| 13:31.40 | streuner | and you get a common NIC for 5-10 buck second hand |
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| 13:31.50 | streuner | s/buck/bucks/ |
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| 13:31.59 | BadMan | cahoot: yeah its there |
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| 13:32.08 | BadMan | well it laods anyway... |
| 13:32.20 | saabin | metasend -b -s "my subject" -f file.pdf -m application/octet-stream -e base64 -t me@xyz.com |
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| 13:32.43 | saabin | I get "my subject.dat" attachment. What I am doing wrong here? |
| 13:33.02 | cahoot | BadMan: does /proc/asound/pcm show your card? |
| 13:34.02 | renzo | petemc: so do u have any clue why .config isn't found? |
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| 13:34.41 | BadMan | cahoot: I do not have the asound... thats alsa correct? |
| 13:34.43 | petemc | renzo: not really, assuming you were trying as root, it should work |
| 13:34.57 | lef | running 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4' gives me nothing... |
| 13:35.11 | petemc | lef: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:35.14 | lef | is it exim4-config |
| 13:35.16 | BadMan | Lennart: exim4-config |
| 13:35.16 | Guerin | d-r exim4-config |
| 13:35.18 | lef | oh thanks :) |
| 13:35.22 | BadMan | er lef |
| 13:35.24 | renzo | maybe I'm just to stupid, haven't touched my linux machine in something like 3 years |
| 13:35.27 | Guerin | don't ask us, ask uncle bash... |
| 13:36.06 | cahoot | BadMan: I understood from your earlier postings that alsa was what you intended to use - especially since you claim you load snd-pcm-oss |
| 13:36.26 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 13:36.33 | Guerin | cahoot: snd-pcm-oss IS fucking alsa |
| 13:36.46 | cahoot | Guerin: excuse me ? |
| 13:36.55 | BadMan | cahoot: yes I apt-get installed alsa- base and alsa-utils as well |
| 13:36.56 | Guerin | it's alsa's oss emulation system for apps which only do oss |
| 13:36.56 | fatal_ | cahoot: it's alsas oss emulation layer. |
| 13:37.09 | Guerin | if you don't know this, you should consider not talking about alsa |
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| 13:37.22 | cahoot | Guerin: read what I said - huh |
| 13:37.48 | Guerin | ohhh |
| 13:37.55 | Guerin | :hurt me |
| 13:38.01 | Guerin | !hurt me |
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| 13:38.17 | Guerin | my brain put a 'not' in there someplace |
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| 13:38.47 | JoeHippie | question : during configuring x my built in vid card is a intel 810 , what driver do i use ? |
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| 13:39.31 | lef | running dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config now and it asks for the 'full domain name (FQDN) ', do I append a dot at the end or not? for example, hostname.domain.com. or hostname.domain.com ? |
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| 13:39.49 | streuner | lef: man hosts |
| 13:39.50 | Guerin | no dot |
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| 13:40.17 | BadMan | cahoot: everything seems to be installed properly.. and I have libasound2 as well... I can find snd-cmi8330.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/kernel/sound/isa/snd-cmi8330.ko |
| 13:40.43 | BadMan | sound is compiled into kernel as well... |
| 13:40.57 | cahoot | BadMan: still getting errors modprobing snd-cmi8330 ? |
| 13:41.02 | BadMan | yeap |
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| 13:41.27 | BadMan | FATAL: Error inserting snd_cmi8330 (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/kernel/sound/isa/snd-cmi8330.ko): No such device |
| 13:41.28 | BadMan | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_cmi8330 |
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| 13:41.54 | directhex|work | -1- kernels are obsolete |
| 13:41.56 | cahoot | BadMan: and the possibilty of an interfering OSS module is ruled out? |
| 13:42.01 | directhex|work | also, consider nabbing 2.6.10 from sid |
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| 13:42.29 | BadMan | hmm I do not remember installing oss... would d-i rc3 install it with a desktop installation? |
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| 13:43.31 | greycat | BadMan: lsmod | grep audio |
| 13:43.35 | cahoot | BadMan: run lsmod and see if any suspect turns up |
| 13:43.43 | greycat | or is that the wrong grep? |
| 13:43.43 | greycat | maybe | grep sound |
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| 13:44.27 | BadMan | soundcore is the only thing that returns on sound audio returns nothing |
| 13:44.31 | BadMan | soundcore used by snd |
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| 13:44.47 | JoeHippie | what video driver can be used for a intel 810 vid controller ? |
| 13:44.50 | rob_lt | isn't there an alsa-oss package that is a wrapper for alsa/oss compatibility? That might be some help at some point. |
| 13:45.17 | greycat | JoeHippie: i810 |
| 13:45.39 | paster | "BadMan" at 216.227.38.7 pasted "lsmod info" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/57 |
| 13:45.48 | JoeHippie | ty greycat i didnt see that on the list but will go look again |
| 13:45.54 | BadMan | there it is greycat cahoot |
| 13:46.02 | doub | greycat: that's pretty astonishing. the name is sooo different from the chip name ;) |
| 13:46.17 | BadMan | that's what was loaded after I ran modprobe snd-cmi8330 |
| 13:46.39 | BadMan | I cleared all sound modules before laoding it again.. |
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| 13:47.53 | greycat | !punish linux for not being able to choose snd-foo or snd_foo |
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| 13:48.13 | Streamservice | hello |
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| 13:49.41 | greycat | BadMan: maybe you should try "snd_cmd8330" |
| 13:49.44 | greycat | err. |
| 13:49.48 | greycat | BadMan: maybe you should try "snd_cmi8330" |
| 13:49.51 | Streamservice | could someone help me whit moving a file (zip-file) from server 1 to server 2, server 2 has ftp, server 1 has no ftp or http client |
| 13:49.59 | idc | night ,all |
| 13:50.01 | BadMan | ok will try it... |
| 13:50.05 | BadMan | nite idc |
| 13:50.12 | jethro | Streamservice: do you have ssh on both? |
| 13:50.13 | PerfDave | Streamservice: Install an FTP client on server 1. |
| 13:50.19 | greycat | Streamservice: install on one server2. |
| 13:50.19 | greycat | damn. I can't type today. |
| 13:50.33 | Streamservice | that will increase the load and that is not something i like |
| 13:50.34 | jethro | damn lagged or feeling like bob2 ? |
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| 13:50.40 | greycat | Streamservice: it will *WHAT*?? |
| 13:50.42 | PerfDave | Streamservice: "increase the load"? |
| 13:50.43 | greycat | Streamservice: are you on drugs? |
| 13:51.09 | jethro | !pal Streamservice |
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| 13:51.38 | BadMan | greycat: same stuff |
| 13:51.42 | Streamservice | the server couldn't do much more so i wouldn't install a ftp client on that one |
| 13:51.49 | renzo | can I use my 2.4.x .config file for the 2.6.x kernel or do I have to start from scratch? |
| 13:51.49 | stouse1 | !pal himself |
| 13:51.57 | BadMan | it maybe a lost cause ... |
| 13:51.58 | greycat | BadMan: what does pnpdump actually *say* about your sound chipset? |
| 13:52.11 | BadMan | alot want it dumped to paster? |
| 13:52.13 | greycat | renzo: just use a debian kernel image. |
| 13:52.16 | greycat | BadMan: yes |
| 13:52.20 | BadMan | k |
| 13:52.26 | stouse1 | Streamservice: you've got to be kidding me an FTP client isn't going to slow down a 486. |
| 13:52.29 | e2e | Streamservice: What do these servers serve? |
| 13:52.47 | Streamservice | server 1: gameserver, server 2 webserver |
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| 13:53.19 | PerfDave | Streamservice: Running an FTP client will only have a (minimal) impact on load while the client is running. |
| 13:53.40 | e2e | Streamservice: And you can remove the client after you finished your job |
| 13:53.46 | Streamservice | ok |
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| 13:53.48 | paster | "BadMan" at 216.227.38.7 pasted "pnpdump" (281 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/58 |
| 13:53.51 | saabin | how to use metasend not to get attachment.pdf.dat but attachment.pdf |
| 13:53.52 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 13:53.59 | BadMan | greycat: merry xmas 8-) |
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| 13:54.11 | PerfDave | saabin: /msg dpkg further help |
| 13:54.12 | stouse1 | Streamservice: if an FTP client is going to be enough of a load to be noticeable on the machine, I'm sure firing up a shell would kill it |
| 13:54.13 | renzo | greycat: apt-cache search doesn't give me 2.6 kernel images though |
| 13:54.17 | renzo | just 2.4 |
| 13:54.19 | solemnwarning | i need to code a useradd script on my mail server |
| 13:54.32 | stouse1 | solemnwarning: Why not use the one that's there? |
| 13:54.37 | solemnwarning | on redhat i can set shell to /sbin/nologin to prevent stuff like ssh |
| 13:54.46 | jethro | haha |
| 13:54.49 | solemnwarning | do i set the same shell for debian? |
| 13:54.57 | solemnwarning | its a web script |
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| 13:55.00 | solemnwarning | <_< |
| 13:55.03 | solemnwarning | perl |
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| 13:55.21 | stouse1 | solemnwarning: you can block console logins through a bunch of methods |
| 13:55.21 | e2e | solemnwarning: /bin/false |
| 13:55.31 | solemnwarning | k |
| 13:55.43 | jethro | solemnwarning: really, for you own good, you want to learn how to store mail accounts in a db, and add users in the db, not create system users with a cgi |
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| 13:56.10 | manolo | de que va esto |
| 13:56.18 | stouse1 | !es |
| 13:56.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:56.19 | jethro | !es |
| 13:56.22 | Streamservice | i will install a ftp server on an other port than 21 (i think it will be 30) |
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| 13:56.50 | greycat | BadMan: well... it does say 8330. Maybe your card isn't in PnP mode? Or maybe it's not *really* an 8330 despite what pnpdump thinks? |
| 13:56.58 | ILF_ | where so i suggest a new package for sid? |
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| 13:57.10 | greycat | BadMan: by the way, did you try OSS first and have it fail, or is ALSA your first endeavor? |
| 13:57.30 | stouset | ILF_: to an interested developer, or do it yourself |
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| 13:57.32 | BadMan | greycat: alsa is first I prefer it as it's what I'm using on here |
| 13:57.50 | stouset | ILF_: I believe you can try to find an interested dev on debian-devel |
| 13:57.55 | PerfDave | ILF_: You can submit a request for something to be packaged, if it isn't packaged already. |
| 13:58.05 | greycat | BadMan: might be worthwhile to try OSS just to see... |
| 13:58.15 | BadMan | greycat: ok, bbl8r |
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| 13:58.29 | jahi | Hi, can i see linenumbers in 'less myfile' ? |
| 13:58.41 | ILF_ | stouset: so i'd have to be package maintainer myself? i'm not up for that job, hehe |
| 13:58.47 | renzo | oh my god /me hase becom so freekin lame |
| 13:58.59 | stouset | ILF_: why not? |
| 13:59.03 | renzo | don't even know how to properly compile a kernel anymore |
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| 13:59.11 | greycat | jahi: nl file | less |
| 13:59.12 | treestone | jahi: Possibly, but at least 'cat -n myfile|less' will work. |
| 13:59.16 | stouset | ILF_: Or, like I said, recommend it on the debian-devel mailing list |
| 13:59.19 | renzo | any tutorials? |
| 13:59.23 | ILF_ | stouset: i've only been using debian as main os for a few weeks... |
| 13:59.25 | stew | jahi: less -N |
| 13:59.28 | greycat | renzo: don't bother. upstream kernels are broken. |
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| 13:59.31 | ILF_ | stouset: thx, will do :) |
| 13:59.41 | greycat | stew: bah. |
| 13:59.41 | PerfDave | You can file a RFP without being a debian developer. |
| 13:59.48 | jahi | hehehe cool thx stew :D |
| 13:59.50 | stew | greycat: bah |
| 14:00.30 | ILF_ | what if i find a maintainer? where would he/she write to to suggest a new package? |
| 14:00.44 | ILF_ | devel, to? |
| 14:00.46 | ILF_ | *too |
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| 14:01.08 | stew | !rfp |
| 14:01.08 | dpkg | it has been said that rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 14:01.24 | BenB | how do I say "where I am stored" in a #! line? |
| 14:01.26 | stouset | ILF_: He would file an Intent to Package. |
| 14:01.32 | BenB | ./ is pwd, doesn't work |
| 14:01.38 | BenB | (appearantly) |
| 14:01.44 | stouset | BenB: what do you mean? |
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| 14:01.54 | renzo | greycat: sorry for asking, what are upstream kernels? |
| 14:01.57 | treestone | BenB: Could be that you're looking for "#!/usr/bin/env perl" |
| 14:02.06 | stouset | renzo: vanilla kernels as released by the kernel maintainers |
| 14:02.11 | treestone | (replace perl with whatever) |
| 14:02.17 | greycat | !upstream |
| 14:02.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, upstream is where Debian developers download software from, or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-developer-duties.en.html#s-upstream-coordination |
| 14:02.41 | BenB | treestone: I need to invoke that perl installation that's in the same dir as the script, and not the system's perl (cygwin) |
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| 14:03.03 | renzo | greycat: thx |
| 14:03.10 | greycat | BenB: http://shelldorado.dyndns.org/wiki/?BashFaq#faq28 |
| 14:03.20 | PerfDave | What's cygwin got to do with #debian? |
| 14:03.20 | BenB | treestone: basically have an installer for a perl app. |
| 14:03.33 | treestone | BenB: Not a fixed path? |
| 14:03.48 | BenB | PerfDave: it's a bash question |
| 14:04.02 | PerfDave | BenB: #bash is ---> that way ;) |
| 14:04.16 | LordFrith | It's <---- That way on my setup. ;) |
| 14:05.08 | renzo | what does: Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 14:05.09 | renzo | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 14:05.10 | renzo | mean? |
| 14:05.35 | stew | renzo: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 14:05.35 | PerfDave | !dynamic mmap |
| 14:05.35 | dpkg | somebody said dynamic mmap was "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
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| 14:06.22 | renzo | th |
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| 14:07.10 | rixth | On slashdot.org |
| 14:07.14 | rixth | From the looks of it, Debian is flat broke, with only $40,000 or so in cash on hand. |
| 14:07.18 | rixth | True? |
| 14:07.26 | greycat | RTFA |
| 14:08.13 | BenB | s/someone/a company/ |
| 14:08.14 | PerfDave | rixth: Read the interview, read Overfiend's comment on the /. post, don't believe what you read on /. |
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| 14:08.31 | rixth | PerfDave, I shall |
| 14:08.33 | LordFrith | A company with on 40k is about out of business. |
| 14:08.37 | LordFrith | (only) |
| 14:08.47 | greycat | but debian is not a company |
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| 14:09.16 | LordFrith | Oh, in that case, having 40k is nearly broke if you don't have a job. |
| 14:09.39 | PerfDave | Christ, I've never had 40k in my life, employed or otherwise. |
| 14:09.45 | BadMan | is there an OSSFree for Debian Sarge 2.6? |
| 14:09.52 | De_Mon | LordFrith wtf dude? I could live for a year or more on 40k |
| 14:09.58 | directhex|work | BadMan, yes, but it's disabled if you have alsa-base installed. |
| 14:10.13 | BadMan | directhex|work: already removed alsa-base and utils |
| 14:10.23 | LordFrith | Yeah, I guess 40k is about a year's salary or so. |
| 14:10.24 | BadMan | guess I should prolly update... |
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| 14:11.02 | LordFrith | My wife and I have been squirreling money away like crazy, since we were both in grad school. So 40k doesn't sound like that much. |
| 14:11.20 | PerfDave | I think that Debian should pay me to sit on #debian all day long ;) |
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| 14:11.30 | petemc | ive been spending money hand over fist since grad school |
| 14:11.31 | deadsmith | PerfDave, me too! |
| 14:11.37 | directhex|work | i'd take $40k for my support role in #debian |
| 14:12.15 | BadMan | by chance anyone know where krdc(remote desktop connection) keeps its connection cache at? systems it has beena sked to connect to? |
| 14:12.49 | directhex|work | mmmmm garlic |
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| 14:13.00 | PerfDave | Whoo! |
| 14:14.06 | renzo | do i need specific entries in the sources.list if I want to download sourcecodes as well? |
| 14:14.18 | chealer | it would be cool if #debian could be a business |
| 14:14.18 | PerfDave | renzo: man sources.list |
| 14:14.29 | greycat | renzo: /msg dpkg source |
| 14:14.36 | mwelsh | every time i run "apt-get update", "apt-get upgrade" i have 4 packages that cause errors |
| 14:14.44 | greycat | fix 'em. |
| 14:14.48 | chealer | you're paid to help, you pay to be told to RTFM or to troll :) |
| 14:14.49 | mwelsh | and i get errors trying to remove them |
| 14:15.16 | chealer | mwelsh: did you try apt-get dist-upgrade? otherwise what are your errors? |
| 14:15.36 | mwelsh | dpkg: error processing libghc6-wash-cgi-dev (--remove): |
| 14:15.36 | mwelsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.36 | mwelsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.49 | mwelsh | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:15.49 | mwelsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.49 | mwelsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.49 | mwelsh | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 14:16.05 | greycat | !wikifaq mwelsh PackageManagement |
| 14:16.05 | dpkg | mwelsh: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:16.09 | chealer | hum...sorry, you can't paste that much |
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| 14:17.20 | chealer | I can't find info about libghc6-wash-cgi-dev |
| 14:17.22 | eps | how do you control the milliamp out put of usb ports under linux? (specifically debian) - when I plug my ipod in it complains that the input current is wrong, but works nicely under windows |
| 14:17.38 | mwelsh | i dont even know how i got it installed |
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| 14:17.50 | chealer | does dpkg really say something like "very bad inconsistent state"? :) |
| 14:17.59 | mwelsh | dpkg: error processing libghc6-wash-utils-dev (--remove): |
| 14:17.59 | mwelsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.59 | mwelsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.19 | mwelsh | thats the output from the terminal |
| 14:18.28 | chealer | I see no libghc6-wash* here |
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| 14:18.50 | mwelsh | it may have been renamed |
| 14:19.14 | greycat | !wikifaq mwelsh PackageManagement |
| 14:19.14 | dpkg | mwelsh: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:19.33 | idc | in those small window manager,which one is on the TOP of hasing the most amount of users by far ? |
| 14:19.35 | greycat | it's fucking NUMBER TWELVE if you can't read. |
| 14:19.45 | greycat | oh, excuse me. number 12. |
| 14:19.49 | greycat | since if you can't read, you can't convert TWELVE to 12 |
| 14:20.09 | mwelsh | you might want to consider quitting caffeine |
| 14:20.22 | greycat | you might want to consider quitting crack |
| 14:20.47 | jahi | you might want to consider quitting cocaine, black jack, ... |
| 14:20.49 | jahi | :D |
| 14:20.49 | jethro | I ll get both |
| 14:20.51 | BadMan | I seem to be able to find alot of sound realted info EXCEPT OSS packages.... |
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| 14:21.57 | greycat | or #samba |
| 14:22.32 | jethro | abrotman: you mean you have a samba question? |
| 14:22.33 | abrotman | greycat: quiet bunch :) |
| 14:22.42 | abrotman | greycat: and apparently i'm trying to do something odd |
| 14:22.45 | abrotman | jethro: yes |
| 14:22.52 | jethro | shoot, I ll help if I can |
| 14:23.03 | abrotman | greycat: apparently not too many of them try to auth a samba fileserver from an NT4 PDC :) |
| 14:23.10 | abrotman | jethro: ^^ |
| 14:23.26 | abrotman | jethro: and .. i can see the machine .. but not mount shares |
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| 14:23.49 | jethro | abrotman: you have a samba fileserver and want to authenticate access with the NT4 pdc? |
| 14:23.59 | abrotman | yep |
| 14:24.03 | abrotman | all users |
| 14:24.04 | jethro | abrotman: as for the I can see the machine, which machine are you talking about, and where can you see it from? |
| 14:24.18 | BadMan | hey greycat where would that oss stuff be located? contrib? non-free? |
| 14:24.27 | abrotman | jethro: i can see the mahcine from my desktop on the domain .. i can open the list of shares .. but not use any of them |
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| 14:25.18 | jethro | abrotman: you had the samba server join your domain ? |
| 14:25.26 | Coke | Hello. Is there any way of reading UDF or converting it to something useful without having to compile my kernel with UDF support? I checked out udftools, but it seems pretty much useless for reading the contents of an UDF image. |
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| 14:25.32 | abrotman | jethro: yep .. and wbinfo -u shows all the users |
| 14:25.43 | jethro | weird |
| 14:25.54 | abrotman | yes .. that's what i thought :) |
| 14:25.59 | greycat | BadMan: drivers. modules, or in the kernel. |
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| 14:26.23 | greycat | BadMan: OSS is like 100 times *simpler* than ALSA. There's no packages for it. You just load the driver, and voila! It's done. |
| 14:26.28 | jethro | abrotman: what kind of error messages you get in the samba logs? |
| 14:27.27 | abrotman | jethro: uhm .. let me put them on pastebin |
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| 14:27.37 | jethro | aight |
| 14:27.48 | technos | Anyone know anything about the lasi700 SCSI driver? |
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| 14:28.11 | jethro | abrotman: I ll go get a coffee, be back in 10 minutes, so don't expect me to answer any sooner :) |
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| 14:28.19 | abrotman | jethro: gotcha |
| 14:29.31 | tzafrir | Is there any deb of a minimal X server in Sarge/Sid? |
| 14:29.39 | abrotman | jethro: http://pastebin.ca/10367 |
| 14:29.40 | greycat | minimal? |
| 14:29.48 | tzafrir | (mainly disk-size-wise) |
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| 14:31.33 | BadMan | greycat: lol I'm here killing myself with bleeding blisters on the tips of my fingers hunting through apt-cache! |
| 14:31.36 | BadMan | doh! |
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| 14:32.48 | doub | tzafrir: my guess is the most disk-consuming stuff in X servers are fonts |
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| 14:33.38 | doub | tzafrir: you can also remove unused libraries, includes, video drivers, but that shouldn't use huge disk space |
| 14:34.02 | doub | tzafrir: (except maybe for includes, which are not installed by default) |
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| 14:40.27 | ndee | hey guys, as a server admin, how do you keep your servers up to date? Execute every day apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 14:40.54 | greycat | ndee: more like once a week, or whenever the d-s-a mailing list shows me an interesting bug |
| 14:40.56 | greycat | !d-s-a |
| 14:41.05 | greycat | !dsa |
| 14:41.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/. Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 14:41.09 | Robot101 | ndee: only when I see a DSA that's relevant to packages I have on my servers |
| 14:41.20 | greycat | dpkg, d-s-a is <reply> see dsa |
| 14:41.21 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 14:41.25 | FarrisG | anyone know a simple way to set an autoreply (e.g., out-of-office) with postfix? |
| 14:41.33 | greycat | FarrisG: please don't. |
| 14:41.41 | ndee | ah ok. So you guys are just subscribed to that mailing list? |
| 14:41.51 | PerfDave | That reminds me, I should hassle my friend to release that script which gets called from procmail with d-s-a mails, checks to see if it refers to an installed package, and updates/upgrades if so ;) |
| 14:42.00 | greycat | ndee: not "just". |
| 14:42.02 | FarrisG | greycat: Please don't? |
| 14:42.40 | greycat | FarrisG: I *hate* those fucking things. Every time I send a message to the secureshell mailing list I get *ten* of those fucking autoresponses from people I've never heard of. And at least 2-3 are in languages I can't even read. |
| 14:43.12 | PerfDave | greycat: Does the mailing list set "Precedence: bulk" or similar? |
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| 14:43.43 | FarrisG | greycat: A) It's not for me, it's for my CEO. B) Said CEO is not on any mailinglists with senders who will give a crap |
| 14:43.59 | abrotman | FarrisG: ask #postfix |
| 14:44.10 | ndee | greycat: what else? |
| 14:44.11 | FarrisG | abrotman: Done and waiting |
| 14:44.12 | greycat | PerfDave: the mailing list is run by nitwits. They made it moderated in a vain attempt to cut down on spam. But then they refuse to accept my short posts, so I have to Cc: the author every time. And as you can see from my prior statement, they don't run it properly with respect to invalid list members. |
| 14:44.19 | petemc | FarrisG: see if you can use vacation with postfix |
| 14:44.24 | abrotman | FarrisG: google for .. uhm .. i installed it .. |
| 14:44.48 | PerfDave | greycat: Gah! |
| 14:45.03 | Robot101 | you can use vacation with postfix, it uses /etc/aliases and .forward in the same way as sendmail by default |
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| 14:46.15 | chealer | hi Robot101 |
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| 14:46.38 | abrotman | FarrisG: well .. all i could find was the vacation package |
| 14:46.51 | abrotman | FarrisG: wait for #postfix :) |
| 14:46.55 | chealer | Robot101: no no, I have a quick and easy question for you :) |
| 14:47.11 | Robot101 | it wasn't me, I'm innocent, etc! :0 |
| 14:47.22 | chealer | Robot101: when will sarge release? |
| 14:47.27 | Robot101 | rofl |
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| 14:47.34 | Robot101 | !guess |
| 14:47.34 | dpkg | guess is, like, a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 14:47.38 | Robot101 | tomorrow |
| 14:47.44 | greycat | Robot101: and whose job is it to keep Branden sedated? |
| 14:47.53 | chealer | ah, I knew it! you're the man, Robot101 |
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| 14:48.30 | Robot101 | chealer: that's a lie, sorry :( |
| 14:48.36 | Robot101 | chealer: hopefully within a few weeks |
| 14:48.42 | Robot101 | there's a release update coming soon |
| 14:48.52 | chealer | Robot101: yeah, let's still say it :) |
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| 14:51.06 | StR | Hi all |
| 14:51.13 | StR | I have problems with my ssh-key |
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| 14:51.30 | StR | I created a ssh-key for user1 to connect from serverA to serverB without password, user2 also wants to use the same key.. so I copy keyFile.key from user1 to user2 and user2 runs: ssh user1@serverB -i keyFile.key..... but user2 is asked for a passphrase |
| 14:51.31 | asuffield | greycat: michelle, presumably |
| 14:52.18 | greycat | StR: a pass *phrase*, or a password? |
| 14:52.21 | PerfDave | StR: That's probably because the public key isn't recognised for user2. You want to generate seperate keys anyway. |
| 14:52.31 | jethro | abrotman: I m back |
| 14:52.32 | greycat | StR: if it's a pass phrase it's because that key is pass phrase protected. |
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| 14:52.37 | Dragon-Eater | Im looking for a hacker who can hack mysql db`s, so if there is any hacker in here that wants to earn money let me know |
| 14:52.37 | Dragon-Eater | If your interested : /msg Dragon-Eater im interested. |
| 14:52.55 | Shadur | ~ops Dragon-Eater is an imbecile. |
| 14:52.56 | apt | Shadur: okay |
| 14:52.56 | jethro | and I got your link in lastlog, looking at it |
| 14:53.01 | Shadur | Oops. |
| 14:53.04 | greycat | StR: and as PerfDave said, it's NOT a good idea to let two users have the same keypair. Generate another keypair so that you can revoke one of them at need. |
| 14:53.08 | StR | greycat: yes it is a passphrase, and no, it is not passphrase protected |
| 14:53.15 | greycat | StR: you contradict yourself. |
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| 14:53.45 | abrotman | jethro: erm .. i think i magically got it :) |
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| 14:53.50 | jethro | heh |
| 14:53.52 | StR | greycat: with user1 i do: ssh serverb and I login without a passphrase or password |
| 14:53.53 | neemz | When you add another IP address and domain name to a box using a virtual interface what files do you have to modify to make the server know what the IP address' domainname/hostname is? |
| 14:54.06 | abrotman | jethro: i used valid users = %S .. which .. is bad apparently |
| 14:54.09 | jethro | abrotman: so I asssume it works as expected |
| 14:54.10 | greycat | StR: man ssh-add, etc. You're doing something like using ssh agent. |
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| 14:54.23 | abrotman | jethro: well .. we'll see .. |
| 14:54.25 | jethro | abrotman: what did you replace it with? |
| 14:54.51 | greycat | neemz: DNS |
| 14:55.08 | neemz | is DNS under /etc ? |
| 14:55.08 | drac | ~Dragon-Eater |
| 14:55.12 | kneet | StR - But - if both user1 and user2 need to login to say user1 at the other host - is it not easier just to stick both user1 and user2's public keys in the authorised keys on the remote host? |
| 14:55.12 | abrotman | jethro: took it out ? |
| 14:55.21 | abrotman | jethro: is that bad? :) |
| 14:55.53 | pavel-simerda | Hello, does anybody know why debian show some cryptic number for KDE versioning and how to understand it? |
| 14:55.54 | StR | kneet: because user2 needs to run a program in serverB as user1 |
| 14:55.55 | neemz | when someone was blasting jargon at me earlier they mentioned /etc/hosts does this file need editing? |
| 14:55.56 | antony | how can i type a bullet? locale is en_GB |
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| 14:56.33 | kneet | StR - yes - but - you stick user2's public key in user1's authorized keys on the remote host - then login as ssh user1@remotehost |
| 14:56.38 | kneet | Works here |
| 14:56.44 | drac | antony: alt-gr and ^ key? |
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| 14:56.48 | PerfDave | StR: Why do you have two users sharing an account? |
| 14:56.52 | drac | antony: and space |
| 14:57.00 | kneet | PerfDave, that is of course the other question :) |
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| 14:57.15 | neemz | try alt-254 |
| 14:57.21 | jethro | abrotman: it's not a mandatory option, but depending on your setup, it's something you might want to have |
| 14:57.30 | abrotman | jethro: and why? |
| 14:57.39 | PerfDave | If you have user1 and user2 both logging in as user1 on a remote host, then possibly bad things can happen, particularly if you're forwarding agent connections. |
| 14:57.44 | jethro | abrotman: man smb.conf /valid users :) |
| 14:57.44 | abrotman | jethro: in case you haven't guessed .. samba is something i've never toyed with fro some reason |
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| 14:57.56 | jethro | abrotman: I figured that out :) |
| 14:58.00 | antony | should i be able to see it in a bash prompt? |
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| 14:58.07 | antony | (i can't) |
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| 14:59.45 | antony | neemz: didn't work |
| 14:59.54 | antony | drac: didn't work |
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| 15:01.33 | jethro | ircdevil: utsl |
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| 15:02.19 | skip_ | I've just downloaded sarge DVD #1. What's on DVD #2??? |
| 15:02.41 | jethro | the remaining stuff |
| 15:02.55 | jethro | things you don't want to have in order to install, anyways |
| 15:02.56 | antony | neemz and drac: do those key combinations work for you? |
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| 15:03.07 | Joe7 | hi |
| 15:03.19 | skip_ | jethro: so I can do a proper install with just the first DVD |
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| 15:03.49 | jethro | skip_: if you have a decent internet link, all you'd need is the netinst cd |
| 15:04.03 | ircdevil | jethro: LZ77 |
| 15:04.13 | Joe7 | guys, i'm having a load avarage almost 1.0 while cpu load avarage is less then 40%.. what can be the problem? :/ load avarage was going till 6.0 with the same cpu usage.. |
| 15:04.16 | skip_ | jethro: yep, I tried that once and it worked a treat. Thought I'd give jigdo a go |
| 15:04.21 | Dragon-Eater | Hello guys, Im looking for a hacker who can hack a mysql database. If you can and want to earn some money, contact me by /msg Dragon-Eater I am interested |
| 15:04.42 | adjacent | Joe7: did you read what load average means? |
| 15:04.45 | ircdevil | Dragon-Eater: #mysql |
| 15:04.50 | jethro | skip_: I never installed from dvds |
| 15:04.51 | zakame | Dragon-Eater: heh |
| 15:05.02 | Joe7 | adjacent yeah man. |
| 15:05.12 | Dragon-Eater | yes zakame? |
| 15:05.21 | PerfDave | skip_: Installing from the first DVD should be equivalent to installing from the first ~6 CDs. |
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| 15:05.27 | skip_ | jethro: the dvd worked fine. Done it a couple of times now |
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| 15:06.17 | zakame | Dragon-Eater: you can save money by doing it yourself |
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| 15:06.27 | skip_ | I know I'm preaching to the converted, but deb is sooooo much better than the other distros I've tried |
| 15:06.54 | adjacent | Joe7: then what is the problem? |
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| 15:07.44 | Joe7 | adjacent ;> the prob is that pages go into death, i guess cause of the high load :> |
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| 15:08.47 | win2lin | which is best ncurser based backup/archiving package for debian sarge? |
| 15:09.27 | win2lin | which is best ncurser based backup/archiving package for debian sarge? |
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| 15:09.43 | abrotman | are there any? |
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| 15:09.46 | lasara13 | ola |
| 15:09.53 | lasara13 | ay alguien de 13 años |
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| 15:09.58 | adjacent | Joe7: load average and cpu load are not proportional measures. they each tell you different things. a load average <1 with cpu load at 40% isnt neccessarily bad |
| 15:09.59 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:10.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:10.11 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 15:10.17 | PerfDave | win2lin: Define "best" :) |
| 15:10.18 | abrotman | i don't wnat to know he's thirteen |
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| 15:10.36 | win2lin | any one know which is ncurser based backup/archiving package for debian sarge? |
| 15:10.49 | leOn_ | hello all |
| 15:10.54 | PerfDave | win2lin: What are you trying to back up, what are you trying to back it up to? |
| 15:10.58 | abrotman | win2lin: stop repeating |
| 15:11.00 | greycat | Sheesh. Spanish feds trolling for sex offenders. What next? |
| 15:11.10 | leOn_ | i'm using postfix-to-mailman for integration of mailman with postfix |
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| 15:11.21 | PerfDave | greycat: didn't you know? IRC is full of paedophiles. |
| 15:11.25 | win2lin | i want to backup all user accounts in my debain system |
| 15:11.32 | leOn_ | i've just renamed a list, and everything is working properly, but the new alias i created to get mails from the old list accepted is not working returning user unknown |
| 15:12.03 | greycat | PerfDave: oh, is this that horrible evil "internet" thing I've been hearing about? |
| 15:12.07 | PerfDave | win2lin: Back them up to what? How often? With full backups or incrementals? What are you trying to protect against? |
| 15:12.07 | Joe7 | adjacent but load avarage at 3-6 with 40% cpu load can be bad yeah? :/ |
| 15:12.10 | PerfDave | greycat: No, I think that's AOL? |
| 15:12.12 | leOn_ | does anyone know if the use of mailman-to-postfix.py disables the use of the aliases file ? |
| 15:12.12 | abrotman | greycat: intarweb! |
| 15:12.16 | greycat | PerfDave: oh good LOL |
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| 15:12.26 | antony | win2lin: tar |
| 15:12.39 | leOn_ | i've tried both #mailman and #postfix, but not much activity there... |
| 15:12.49 | greycat | PerfDave: I knew this couldn't be the internet because there's no pictures!!!11 |
| 15:12.56 | win2lin | antony: its not a ncurses based backup package |
| 15:13.15 | greycat | win2lin: why on *earth* would you want a GUI backup package? |
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| 15:13.21 | greycat | (and yes, ncurses is a GUI) |
| 15:13.33 | PerfDave | greycat: You've never used Arcserve? ;) |
| 15:14.07 | win2lin | PerfDave: i want to take my user account backup regularly from my debian ftp server |
| 15:14.10 | adjacent | Joe7: load average is the amount of work done on your computer, the cpu load is processor utilization. 2 programs have a max load of 2, but a max CPU load of 100%. get it? |
| 15:14.25 | adjacent | Joe7: if not, look here: http://www.teamquest.com/resources/gunther/ldavg1.shtml |
| 15:14.27 | PerfDave | win2lin: If you're not going to answer questions, people won't be able to help you. |
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| 15:14.47 | win2lin | i already answered |
| 15:14.58 | PerfDave | win2lin: No you didn't. Try again. |
| 15:14.59 | win2lin | anything more u want |
| 15:15.08 | win2lin | ?? |
| 15:15.11 | PerfDave | 16:12 < PerfDave> win2lin: Back them up to what? How often? With full backups or incrementals? What are you trying to protect against? |
| 15:15.13 | leOn_ | win2lin: < PerfDave> win2lin: Back them up to what? How often? With full backups or incrementals? What are you trying to protect against? |
| 15:15.19 | leOn_ | =) |
| 15:15.20 | xoz | win2lin: tried rsnapshot? |
| 15:15.24 | PerfDave | Thank you, leOn_ :) |
| 15:15.38 | greycat | win2lin: "regularly" means you do NOT want a GUI. Rather, you want a cron job. |
| 15:15.41 | win2lin | xoz:no |
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| 15:16.09 | leOn_ | win2lin: if you just want full backups, try dirvish |
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| 15:16.21 | win2lin | no i want to give ncurser based interface to my backup team for easy working |
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| 15:16.40 | PerfDave | What's easier than a cronjob? |
| 15:16.49 | xoz | win2lin: dirvish and rsnapshot uses rsync. |
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| 15:16.59 | xoz | *use* |
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| 15:17.02 | greycat | he needs a whole *team* to do a backup?? |
| 15:17.21 | Ronin | greycat: job security for someone :) |
| 15:17.24 | ben_h | hey all. |
| 15:17.32 | greycat | win2lin: you want to know what the ultimate in simplicity is? "Backup operators: make sure the tape is in the drive by 7:00 PM". |
| 15:17.36 | ireverentReveren | !NM |
| 15:17.36 | dpkg | i guess nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 15:17.39 | greycat | win2lin: CRON JOB. DONE. ALL OVER. GO HOME. |
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| 15:17.56 | PerfDave | greycat: Followed by the backup software whining at you at 4pm if it doesn't have the right tape loaded ;) |
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| 15:18.04 | leOn_ | hey you postfix-to-mailman gurus answer me! |
| 15:18.12 | greycat | PerfDave: heh, that's advanced functionality :) |
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| 15:18.36 | PerfDave | greycat: I always manage to swap the tapes before AMANDA sends whiny e-mail, my boss never does ;) |
| 15:18.38 | win2lin | bye all thax for good information |
| 15:19.02 | greycat | leOn_: try #postfix |
| 15:19.02 | win2lin | :( |
| 15:19.25 | PerfDave | win2lin never did get round to actually bloody telling us what they wanted to back up to, did they? |
| 15:19.32 | leOn_ | greycat: #postfix or #zombie are pretty close ... |
| 15:19.34 | leOn_ | =) |
| 15:19.40 | leOn_ | #mailman too |
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| 15:20.19 | ireverentReveren | I looked over the new maintaners guide, and i still have a few quick questions... If i make a package that doesnt exist already, would it be likely that i can get a sponsor? or is that a difficult step? |
| 15:20.26 | greycat | PerfDave: probably floppies |
| 15:20.50 | FarrisG | punch cards |
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| 15:21.59 | usn | hi all |
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| 15:22.06 | markc | I'm confused with sysvinit and sysv-rc on unstable... which is the correct package ? |
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| 15:22.21 | greycat | markc: read their descriptions |
| 15:22.24 | f00bar | hi |
| 15:22.42 | markc | greycat> where, at packages.debian.org ? |
| 15:22.45 | f00bar | how can i extract ONLY debian/changelog from my kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 |
| 15:22.55 | jethro | forcemstr: man tar |
| 15:23.26 | f00bar | jethro: do you think i didnt go to the man page first |
| 15:23.30 | f00bar | i read it twice |
| 15:23.34 | jethro | f00bar: yes |
| 15:23.37 | f00bar | failed to find my answer |
| 15:23.42 | f00bar | so came to ask |
| 15:23.46 | jethro | f00bar: then read it a third time |
| 15:23.50 | f00bar | oh ffs |
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| 15:24.24 | abrotman | f00bar: pretty sure you can't |
| 15:24.28 | abrotman | jethro: i don't think you can |
| 15:24.32 | greycat | markc: man apt-cache |
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| 15:24.50 | PerfDave | The tar manpage is pretty crap, the tar info page should be better. |
| 15:25.14 | greycat | the tar man page should be better, too. |
| 15:25.16 | greycat | it just isn't. |
| 15:25.23 | markc | greycat> thanks, I'll have to google for it because I'm on a gentoo box trying to create a debian livecd |
| 15:25.38 | PerfDave | Hahahahaha, "info tar" has a big rant about how all documentation should be GFDL ;) |
| 15:25.39 | abrotman | that doesn't mean he can do it ? |
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| 15:26.48 | jethro | abrotman: I m checking with gnu tar, but bsd tar does it |
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| 15:27.12 | takatumi | f00bar: btw 'aptitude changelog kernel-source-2.6.8' works as well. (without getting the whole package as well) |
| 15:27.32 | f00bar | well :S |
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| 15:27.37 | jethro | and it's true that tar manpage on linux sucks goats |
| 15:27.46 | jethro | f00bar: forget about my man tar suggestion |
| 15:27.52 | f00bar | k |
| 15:27.56 | Oberjaeger | f00bar, tar tf mytarball.tar >excludefile |
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| 15:28.03 | Oberjaeger | Gives you a list of everything in the tar |
| 15:28.11 | Oberjaeger | Delete the line with the changlelog |
| 15:28.18 | Oberjaeger | tar xf mytarball.tar excludefile |
| 15:28.31 | Oberjaeger | Will extract everything that *isn't* in the excludefile |
| 15:28.33 | jethro | f00bar: on the other hand, info tar has it |
| 15:28.33 | f00bar | Oberjaeger: thanks |
| 15:28.34 | Oberjaeger | ie, the changlog |
| 15:28.36 | Oberjaeger | np |
| 15:28.43 | jethro | f00bar: $ tar --extract --file=collection.tar blues |
| 15:28.49 | PerfDave | jethro: Hey, I just found that ;) |
| 15:28.52 | f00bar | jethro: tried that |
| 15:28.54 | f00bar | via google |
| 15:28.58 | f00bar | doesnt work |
| 15:28.58 | markc | Oberjaeger> excllent "trick"... noted for later on |
| 15:29.00 | f00bar | (for me) |
| 15:29.03 | PerfDave | pinfo++ # makes info pages barely usable |
| 15:29.04 | jethro | duh |
| 15:29.08 | jethro | I ll try now |
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| 15:29.14 | takatumi | PerfDave: emacs |
| 15:29.31 | jethro | f00bar: you might need to bzip it first |
| 15:29.34 | PerfDave | takatumi: No thanks. |
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| 15:29.41 | mejo | hello |
| 15:29.41 | f00bar | jethro: you mean unbzip it? |
| 15:30.36 | jethro | f00bar: actually you just need to know the full path of the file in the archive |
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| 15:31.03 | jethro | f00bar: so tar --list, then tar --file=foo.tar path/to/file/to/extract/in/the/tarball/reported/by/minus/minus/list |
| 15:31.04 | takatumi | PerfDave: or try the vim-scripts, there's an info plugin as well. (pinfo does suck major balls) |
| 15:31.05 | f00bar | tar xjvf kernel-source-2.6.11.tar.bz2 kernel-source-2.6.11/debian/changelog |
| 15:31.10 | f00bar | thats what i tried |
| 15:31.21 | jethro | f00bar: that's not even close to what I told you to do :) |
| 15:31.27 | Sentia | would someone reccomend a gui log file view? |
| 15:31.30 | PerfDave | takatumi: pinfo is usable, info isn't ;) |
| 15:31.46 | f00bar | (that's what i tried BEFORE i came in here) |
| 15:31.50 | PerfDave | takatumi: Why would I want to run a text editor to read documentation? |
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| 15:32.22 | greg_work | anyone know of a program that will connect a serial port to stdin? |
| 15:32.26 | jethro | f00bar: tar -jx --file=kernel.tar.bz2 debian/changelog |
| 15:32.26 | takatumi | PerfDave: info in emacs is just unbeatable (for my taste) |
| 15:32.31 | jethro | f00bar: that should work |
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| 15:32.48 | markc | okay, packages.debian.org kinda explained it, it's sysvinit and sysv-rc OR file-rc... cool |
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| 15:33.13 | f00bar | jethro: it doesn't |
| 15:33.16 | markc | I tried to install all 3 ... doh |
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| 15:34.12 | PerfDave | takatumi: But it involves running emacs ;) |
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| 15:35.02 | abrotman | oh .. guess you can extract just one file .. never tried it :) |
| 15:35.10 | takatumi | PerfDave: I enjoy both vim and emacs. :) |
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| 15:35.19 | jethro | f00bar: you need to give the full path, so try --list, get the full path for the debian/readme and use it |
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| 15:35.33 | thingfish | !ops ZzZzZzZ on-join spam |
| 15:35.33 | jethro | f00bar: full path includes the kernel-source-<version> |
| 15:35.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ZzZzZzZ on-join spam |
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| 15:35.43 | jethro | debian/changelog even |
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| 15:36.02 | jethro | was that an ops race? |
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| 15:36.13 | helix | more more mor |
| 15:36.15 | helix | e |
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| 15:36.57 | tarzeau | can i use diff on stdout of two programs without writing to a file? |
| 15:36.59 | PerfDave | Hawt ops action. |
| 15:37.16 | johnga1t | is there a clean command that dereferences a symbolic link (that's easier and more reliable than: ls -al | grep "\->" | awk '{print $11;}' )? |
| 15:37.43 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Use unix sockets? |
| 15:38.08 | tarzeau | johnga1t: symlinks - scan/change symbolic links |
| 15:38.14 | PerfDave | johnga1t: stat? |
| 15:38.15 | tarzeau | PerfDave: in the shell? how? |
| 15:38.22 | caphuso | tarzeau: in zsh: diff =(cmd1) =(cmd2) |
| 15:38.25 | tarzeau | PerfDave: i know backticks and pipes and redirects |
| 15:38.32 | tarzeau | caphuso: col thank you |
| 15:38.34 | PerfDave | tarzeau: I mean fifo, sorry. |
| 15:38.36 | johnga1t | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 15:38.39 | johnga1t | PerfDave: thanks. |
| 15:38.44 | greycat | johnga1t: readlink |
| 15:39.07 | tarzeau | PerfDave: nah, i was looking what caphuso told me |
| 15:39.31 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Fair enough. fifos wouldn't be shell-dependent though. |
| 15:40.02 | greycat | tarzeau: in bash, diff <(command1) <(command2) |
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| 15:40.26 | tarzeau | greycat: thanks (god i have zsh :) |
| 15:40.34 | tarzeau | PerfDave: ah |
| 15:40.57 | goki | Is there a way to cause any attempts to connect to a particular ip and port, from my machine, to be redirected to another ip and port? |
| 15:41.10 | goki | preferrably a simple way :) |
| 15:41.21 | PerfDave | goki: Yes, using iptables. |
| 15:41.24 | saabin | guys I am exchausted. How on earth I can send file.pdf or any .pdf file as attachment. |
| 15:41.25 | tarzeau | does diff know something like grep -v ? |
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| 15:41.33 | PerfDave | goki: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 15:41.43 | PerfDave | saabin: With an e-mail client? |
| 15:41.48 | jethro | f00bar: did you manage to extract the changelog? |
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| 15:41.58 | caphuso | tarzeau: -I? |
| 15:42.03 | f00bar | jethro: i had to bunzip it first |
| 15:42.05 | goki | PerfDave, its probably not worth it if I have to use iptables. |
| 15:42.14 | f00bar | which makes sense actually |
| 15:42.16 | f00bar | yeah thanks |
| 15:42.18 | PerfDave | goki: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 15:42.21 | jethro | f00bar: you could have used -j on the command line |
| 15:42.29 | f00bar | i tried that |
| 15:42.32 | goki | PerfDave, I just want to route directly to a machine on the network, if I am on the network, or to its internet address if I'm not |
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| 15:42.37 | xoz | saabin: treat it similar to any file attachment |
| 15:42.39 | f00bar | aha |
| 15:42.41 | f00bar | bingo |
| 15:42.50 | f00bar | tar xjvf kernel-source-2.6.11.tar.bz2 ./kernel-source-2.6.11/debian/changelog |
| 15:43.00 | f00bar | that works for anyone interested |
| 15:43.01 | jethro | :) |
| 15:43.04 | goki | PerfDave, for some reason when I am on the network, I can't actually get back to the port on the machine, via the internet |
| 15:43.05 | greycat | saabin: mutt -a file.pdf -s "subject" recipient@address < body.txt |
| 15:43.07 | f00bar | that pesky ./ |
| 15:43.10 | goki | PerfDave, it doesn't really matter though |
| 15:43.14 | PerfDave | goki: You're behind NAT? |
| 15:43.18 | goki | PerfDave, yup |
| 15:43.40 | goki | PerfDave, I assume it is just too stupid a thing to try to do, to go out through the firewall, then back in again |
| 15:43.41 | jethro | f00bar: that's why it's good the --list first, because you can spot leading ./ :) |
| 15:43.41 | PerfDave | goki: That should be trivial. Either use split-horizon DNS, or use iptables on your firewall to do DNATting on the outgoing as well as incoming interface. |
| 15:43.45 | saabin | greycat: no mutt, no elm, no pine must be done via command mode |
| 15:44.13 | PerfDave | saabin: The command greycat just showed you *is* "command mode". Try it. |
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| 15:44.20 | goki | PerfDave, I'm sure I can fix the firewall, but it's probably more trouble than it is worth. |
| 15:44.32 | PerfDave | goki: Well, I just use split-horizon DNS. |
| 15:44.48 | goki | PerfDave, heh I don't even know what that is :) |
| 15:44.49 | tarzeau | there's a command to merge two files together (column wise) |
| 15:44.54 | tarzeau | i forgot the name |
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| 15:45.10 | f00bar | jethro: indeed |
| 15:45.18 | jethro | tarzeau: join? |
| 15:45.28 | tarzeau | jethro: BINGO! *kiss* |
| 15:45.32 | jethro | :) |
| 15:45.41 | greycat | saabin: MUTT IS COMMAND MODE you festering ...... *simmer* |
| 15:45.48 | PerfDave | goki: My network has a DNS server on it which serves out technomancer.homelinux.org as 192.168.7.44, which is where various ports on my firewall are forwarded. So it all Just Works from my home desktop. |
| 15:45.49 | greycat | !smite saabin |
| 15:46.07 | greycat | tarzeau: paste |
| 15:46.11 | greycat | man 1 paste |
| 15:46.31 | saabin | greycat: have metasend but attachment becomes "my subject.dat" |
| 15:46.34 | PerfDave | goki: It's trivial to do with dnsmasq |
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| 15:47.34 | greycat | saabin: tell me ONE FUCKING GOOD REASON why you are allowed to use metasend (whatever the fuck *that* is) but not mutt. |
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| 15:48.23 | caphuso | greycat: metasend is a leftover from the pre-mime-aware MUA era |
| 15:48.30 | jethro | hah |
| 15:48.36 | saabin | greycat: because have no mutt client |
| 15:48.47 | furrywolf | "The contents check of an input" " From these contents, if right, please push [Transmission]." "[Transmission] [ Reinput ]" ah, engrish... |
| 15:49.02 | saabin | caphuso: actually metasend looks ok for transmitting attachments |
| 15:49.04 | greycat | saabin: fixable. |
| 15:49.18 | stouset | Much love for anyone who answers a question for me. Is there any easy way to trim off a trailing whitespace from a bunch of printed characters? I've got a list of hexadecimal IDs that I want to later grep for, so I'm doing a tr "\n" "|" to do it easily. But this always puts an extra | at the end of the string that I don't want. What's the easiest way to nix it? |
| 15:49.24 | greycat | mutt is Free. you are allowed to use it. That's what Free *means*. |
| 15:49.28 | technos | metasend? Isn't that the bit of crap AT&T added into System/2000 so you could email binaries back in the late 80s? |
| 15:49.35 | PerfDave | stouset: tr -d "\n" |
| 15:49.44 | saabin | greycat: in this system I have SCO unix not Linux. |
| 15:49.52 | greycat | technos: oh.... does that mean we get to kickban him for not being on a debian box? and wasting all our time? |
| 15:49.58 | stouset | PerfDave: that'll kill ALL newlines. I just want the last one. |
| 15:50.00 | greycat | !pal saabin |
| 15:50.09 | furrywolf | (said engrish found on the Nichicon "contact us" form. which, in addition to being engrisharific, only allows 255 characters to be entered) |
| 15:50.12 | greycat | SCO.... hahahaha... that's not even kickbanworthy. That's just pitiful. |
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| 15:50.15 | jethro | saabin: then why are you wasting our time, this is #debian |
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| 15:50.26 | PerfDave | stouset: And tr "\n" "|" doesn't replace *all* newlines with pipes? |
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| 15:50.30 | stouset | PerfDave: I *want* the newlines, so I can convert them into pipes for grepping over alternates |
| 15:50.32 | technos | greycat: Naw.. It's prolly been pulled forward for 15 years and living in some MIME encoder's package still. |
| 15:50.32 | intx | is there anything that lets you share a scanner on a server across a network for linux? |
| 15:50.35 | saabin | jethro: I am a debian user |
| 15:50.40 | stouset | PerfDave: It does. I want it to replace all but the last one. |
| 15:50.45 | saabin | jethro: but also sco user |
| 15:50.50 | f00bar | furrywolf: apparantly my old motherboad was "The most unique production from PCChips range!" |
| 15:51.01 | greycat | saabin: so fucking compile mutt on SCO. |
| 15:51.05 | greycat | saabin: then use it. |
| 15:51.06 | jethro | saabin: then ask for support here when you have debian problems |
| 15:51.06 | stouset | PerfDave: I have a list of a bunch of hex numbers, each separated by a newline. I want to do "grep (list|of|separated|values)" |
| 15:51.07 | PerfDave | stouset: tr "\n" "|" | sed "s/|$//" |
| 15:51.16 | stouset | PerfDave: Ah, thanks. |
| 15:51.24 | saabin | jethro: that is cold man |
| 15:51.25 | furrywolf | stouset: tr "\n' '|' | sed 's/|$/g/'? (might need to scape the pipe) |
| 15:51.37 | furrywolf | s/"\n/'\n |
| 15:51.46 | Dr_O | debian-installer question: anyone managed to preseed lvm partitioning? does d-i support this yet? |
| 15:51.50 | jethro | saabin: no, it's called being on topic |
| 15:51.56 | greycat | !they don't konw |
| 15:51.59 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 15:51.59 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 15:52.03 | technos | metasend is indeed still in debian.. It's in the metamail package. |
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| 15:52.05 | stouset | That's it. Thanks folks. |
| 15:52.18 | saabin | jethro: okay |
| 15:52.21 | saabin | jethro: sorry |
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| 15:53.01 | greycat | hmm.... #sco is listed in chanserv, but has no people. |
| 15:53.20 | greycat | ditto for both #scosucks and #sco_sucks_ass |
| 15:53.23 | s-toned | In top I can see how the cpu usage sums up from several processes. Where can I see that for load? |
| 15:53.25 | PerfDave | greycat: It's registered but empty? :) |
| 15:53.37 | greycat | ditto for #SCOsmokescrack |
| 15:53.37 | takatumi | greycat: only lawyers now, and they don't IRC. |
| 15:53.51 | furrywolf | that's because no one in their right mind uses SCO products. |
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| 15:54.31 | s-toned | Where can I see which processes are the longest waiting ones? |
| 15:54.38 | greycat | the SCO that's all lawyers is NOT the same company as the SCO that made SCO Unix and related products. |
| 15:54.55 | greycat | both groups were festering nests of evil that needed stomping, but for different reasons. |
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| 15:55.18 | furrywolf | lol |
| 15:55.21 | furrywolf | that's a good quote. :) |
| 15:55.41 | greycat | paulswm: ... why? |
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| 15:55.52 | technos | Aww, c'mon! You didn't like SCO Xenix? It was the bomb for years and years if you couldn't get your hands on a Real Unix Machine. |
| 15:55.56 | Oberjaeger | festering nest of evil......that reminds me, I need to go and do my laundry |
| 15:55.57 | takatumi | on the wall? |
| 15:56.07 | furrywolf | ober: LOL |
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| 15:56.12 | paulswm | greycat: Because I still have the ALR 25MHz 386 for which I got them |
| 15:56.13 | greycat | technos: fortunately I missed SCO Xenix. I got hit by SCO Unix, though. |
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| 15:56.26 | greycat | paulswm: ... why? ;-) |
| 15:57.10 | technos | I ran Xenix for a while. It was exactly like my "real" NCR Unix boxes once you got over the lack of BSDisms. |
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| 15:57.38 | greycat | xoz: "hello world" |
| 15:57.42 | furrywolf | xoz: annoy people on irc? :P |
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| 15:57.48 | xoz | heh |
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| 15:57.58 | asuffield | Doom |
| 15:58.12 | greycat | Doom is slow on a 386. you want a 486 |
| 15:58.16 | stouset | Hm...okay. Maybe grepping against a 225 kilobyte regexp is not the best idea in the world. |
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| 15:58.25 | asuffield | meh. it *works* |
| 15:58.46 | Gathond | stouset: why not? ... it might take a while, but who cares:) if that is what it takes |
| 15:58.51 | furrywolf | stouset: leave in the newline, send it to a file, and use grep -f. it works better. |
| 15:59.14 | stouset | furrywolf: if I leave in the newlines, it'll work against any of them? |
| 15:59.33 | furrywolf | stouset: yep. |
| 15:59.41 | onre | you might want to consider running the regexp with perl. it can be faster. |
| 15:59.50 | stouset | Gathond: I gave it one item as a test and it still hasn't finished. That's not going to be good considering I have to scan over three months of email logs |
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| 16:00.11 | technos | Old 386 works acceptably as a low-bandwidth ethernet firewall, or a dialup NAT. |
| 16:00.29 | furrywolf | I used that once to find all words in /use/share/dict/words that, when rot13ed, were also words in /usr/share/dict/words. :) |
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| 16:00.52 | Gathond | stouset: in that case perhaps not:) |
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| 16:01.08 | greycat | technos: it's not acceptable if you weigh in the power consumption vs. a used laptop or a fanless Eden box |
| 16:01.09 | Gathond | stouset: unless you have the option of throwing some more CPU power at the problem |
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| 16:01.55 | xoz | stouset should use divide-and-conquer algo since each line is independent. |
| 16:02.05 | stouset | Argh, back. |
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| 16:02.54 | stouset | Here's the thing. I need to find all emails sent to or received by a person in our company for the past three months. Postfix logs sender and receipient, but they're on separate lines, associated by a (semi) unique 5-byte hex number. |
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| 16:03.20 | technos | New Eden box will cost ya what, $300 after shipping, and you gotta wait a week. That sets me back 3-5 days, and time is money. The 386 will be done in an hour. So meh, if it's going to run for five years, the Eden is cheaper. If it'll run for six months, the 386 is cheaper. :) |
| 16:03.25 | stouset | i'm just grepping through for any line containing the person's email addresses, finding the unique IDs, and then I'm going to grep back over it for anything matching those IDs. |
| 16:03.33 | stouset | It's probably not the best way, but I need it sometime by tonight :-) |
| 16:03.34 | petemc | stouset: no use to you, but if you used exim, exigrep would do just that :) |
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| 16:04.01 | stouset | petemc: Got a postfix2exim log script? :-) |
| 16:04.05 | petemc | :) |
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| 16:04.55 | xoz | stouset: try to divide the file to smaller units and have parallel processes grepping... or use divide-and-conquer technique to subdivide the tasks and fork several grep processes. does this make sense? |
| 16:05.31 | stouset | xoz: Yeah. Right now I'm collating the IDs for every logfile at once, when I could be doing it logfile by logfile. I was hoping this wouldn't have such crappy performance, though. |
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| 16:06.05 | leOn_ | okkkk ... found out how to do it |
| 16:06.12 | leOn_ | anyone interested ? |
| 16:06.51 | stouset | Depends on what "it" is :-) |
| 16:06.59 | stouset | If "it" happens to be grepping through Postfix logs, by all means :-) |
| 16:06.59 | xoz | stouset: you can code a C thing specific to your problem. knuth's algo of parsing text may come handy. |
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| 16:07.24 | GarySaved | I have Testing for my distribution, and Main for the section. What else should I add? |
| 16:07.27 | leOn | being able to define aliases in a postfix system while using postfix-to-mailman.py to integrate with mailman |
| 16:07.38 | stouset | xoz: Has to be done by tonight, and I've got class from 2 to 6:30. I was hoping to use built-in shell tools, but that's the route I may have to go. I find it absurd that something like this doesn't already exist though. I must be missing something. |
| 16:07.45 | stouset | GarySaved: contrib and nonfree, if you want |
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| 16:08.03 | leOn | when using postfix-to-mailman.py, postfix ignores /etc/aliases |
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| 16:08.53 | GarySaved | stouset, Thanks. |
| 16:08.54 | leOn | one has to define virtual_maps and then define the aliases in the virtual_maps hash file |
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| 16:09.08 | furrywolf | hrmm. I take back what I said. GNU grep seems to handle large patterns, and grep -f, very poorly. I did it before on a solaris box, and it worked much better. |
| 16:09.10 | Rema_deb | Hello |
| 16:09.20 | stouset | furrywolf: gee thanks =P |
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| 16:09.38 | greycat | Right then. |
| 16:09.38 | greycat | "because Freenode was busted" |
| 16:09.43 | streuner | greycat has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) |
| 16:10.04 | furrywolf | for i in $(command that generates the patterns) ; do grep $i file ; done is far faster than using grep -f patternfile file. |
| 16:10.07 | furrywolf | and that's sad. |
| 16:10.17 | furrywolf | since it's forking a new grep for every pattern. |
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| 16:10.54 | stouset | furrywolf: indeed :-( |
| 16:11.08 | greycat | streuner: I was showing 200-300 seconds lag before freenode finally fell over. |
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| 16:11.16 | stouset | furrywolf: I'm breaking it up into per-file chunks now, to help alleviate that. A 225k regexp is still a bit much. |
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| 16:11.40 | streuner | greycat: no wallops message, no problems here... |
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| 16:12.43 | stouset | Ah, great. |
| 16:13.12 | GarySaved | Synaptic is not able to find the nonfree section |
| 16:13.16 | stouset | for LOGFILE in `find /var/log/ -mtime -90 -name "mail.log*"`; do for ID in `zgrep postfix $LOGFILE | egrep -o "[A-Z0-9]{10}: (from|to)=<(person|alias|alias|alias)@domain.tld>" | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq`; do zgrep $ID $LOGFILE; done; done |
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| 16:13.20 | stouset | *seems* to work |
| 16:13.35 | greycat | stouset: that will have space problems. |
| 16:13.43 | greycat | as in filenames with spaces in 'em |
| 16:13.45 | stouset | At least for the initial fetching of data. I'll have to grep out some other lines from that. |
| 16:13.49 | stouset | greycat: no filenames with spaces |
| 16:13.56 | leOn | just set IFS |
| 16:14.00 | stouset | greycat: all files are /var/log/mail.log.$NUM.gz |
| 16:14.04 | leOn | IFS=' |
| 16:14.05 | leOn | ' |
| 16:14.14 | GarySaved | I just left it 'testing', and added 'contrib nonfree' to main. |
| 16:14.23 | greycat | leOn: in bash you can use IFS=$'\n' |
| 16:14.40 | leOn | greycat: i save keystrokes |
| 16:14.43 | leOn | ;) |
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| 16:15.13 | furrywolf | for i in $(cat words | tr 'A-Za-z' 'N-ZA-Mn-za-m') ; do grep '^'$i'$' words ; done should NOT be faster than cat words | tr 'A-Za-z' 'N-ZA-Mn-za-m' | sed 's/.*/^&$/g' > wordpatterns ; grep -f wordpatterns words -- GNU grep must be stupid and/or broken... |
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| 16:15.43 | greycat | furrywolf: that's a very odd spelling of "^$i$ |
| 16:15.52 | mr_clark | Hi guys. I'm running Sarge. I've updated to the 2.6.8-10 kernel. I'm trying to install VMWare but it requires the kernel source. The only source I see through synaptic is 2.6.8-15. VMWare doesn't accept that because there's no version.h file. Is there someplace I can download 2.6.8-10 source? |
| 16:15.55 | greycat | bah. "^$i$" is what I meant to type. |
| 16:15.57 | stouset | You guys make my heard hurt =P |
| 16:16.09 | furrywolf | greycat: keeps me from having to remember is $" is going to do something stupid or be a $. :P |
| 16:16.10 | aiw | i need to install plone on debian woody, so I am going to install python, zope and plone from source, what is the correct debian way to do that, which directories are best to install my versions in? |
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| 16:16.15 | furrywolf | s/is/if |
| 16:16.23 | greycat | furrywolf: I'd still prefer \$ over single quoting multiple times |
| 16:16.32 | greycat | furrywolf: but I do understand that point |
| 16:16.51 | streuner | mr_clark: try sdn (/msg dpkg sdn) |
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| 16:17.23 | markuman | hi. i'm searching a long time.... are there w32codecs for amd64? |
| 16:17.37 | xoz | aiw: in /usr/local/ ? |
| 16:17.38 | greycat | sounds like an #mplayer question |
| 16:17.58 | Pimpinella | I have a doscommand that should send something to my printer: "ECHO !R! FRPO P1,9; EXIT;>LPT1" can somebody translate it for me to linux? I have no idea how ECHO works exactly in MS-DOS |
| 16:18.17 | stouset | Argh. One more quick question. I want to grep for (from|to)=<.*>, but that gets from the first < after from|to to the last >. What's the easiest way to omit spaces from the .*? |
| 16:18.26 | stouset | I could do it in Perl, but grep has it's own little nuances. |
| 16:18.39 | asuffield | furrywolf: in perl it would still be grep /^$i$/ |
| 16:18.44 | mooded | anybody knows how one can get a debian sarge to do dial-on-demand with adsl ? when im adding "demand" in the /etc/ppp/peers/myconnfile, i get a private ip-address assigned.. (10.64.64.64) .. anybody has a hint for me ? |
| 16:18.55 | priest | mr_clark: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-10 |
| 16:19.00 | aiw | is /usr/local the correct debian place to install user-compiled software? I don't konw, but i am writing a howto and would like to get it right |
| 16:19.15 | streuner | markuman: w32codecs is just a debian package which contents some codecs - not more... |
| 16:19.23 | stouset | something like (from|to)=<[:alnum:]+> ? |
| 16:19.23 | greycat | Pimpinella: wow.... that's some seriously weird old shit. |
| 16:19.35 | asuffield | greycat: it's PCL |
| 16:19.37 | greycat | Pimpinella: echo '!R! FRPO P1,9; EXIT;' > /dev/lp0 |
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| 16:19.45 | stouset | aiw: yes, basically |
| 16:19.46 | asuffield | he'll be reprogramming a printer to be less retarded about something |
| 16:19.52 | GarySaved | Ah ... It has to be 'non-free'. |
| 16:20.01 | streuner | markuman: try (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 16:20.09 | Pimpinella | greycat: yeah, was my guess too, but i didn't want to break anything, ty |
| 16:20.18 | furrywolf | pimp: I think that's just echo "!R! FRPO P1,9; EXIT;" >/dev/lp0 |
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| 16:20.29 | aiw | ok, great, thanks |
| 16:20.40 | greycat | furrywolf: bash may barf on ! inside double quotes |
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| 16:20.43 | asuffield | furrywolf: haha, you lose, ! is special in shell |
| 16:20.46 | Function | err |
| 16:20.46 | umbop | hey guys, i dont' suppose anyone of you know the IMAP commands for testing an account thruogh telnet, i tried LOGIN but it doesn't recognise that as a command |
| 16:20.53 | Function | does ALSA work on 2.4.30? |
| 16:20.54 | greycat | asuffield: not if he turns off histexpand like I do, though. |
| 16:20.55 | Function | if so, how? |
| 16:20.59 | furrywolf | greycat: yep. bash barfs on ! inside of most anything. bash sucks. :P |
| 16:21.01 | umbop | i checked http://rfc.net/rfc2060.html |
| 16:21.06 | greycat | imadev:~$ cat .bashrc |
| 16:21.06 | greycat | set -o vi |
| 16:21.06 | greycat | set +o histexpand |
| 16:21.12 | greycat | ... |
| 16:21.19 | markuman | streuner, thx. i will try |
| 16:21.27 | el_lo | Hello. |
| 16:21.29 | furrywolf | echo '!R! FRPO P1,9; EXIT;' >/dev/lp0 :P |
| 16:21.52 | a_monkey | i've tried adding Aterm*resource: value to .Xdefaults, but it doesn't do anything! can somebody help me save aterm resources? |
| 16:22.11 | greycat | a_monkey: use .Xresources instead, and use xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources |
| 16:22.21 | a_monkey | greycat: thx |
| 16:22.31 | furrywolf | for 5000 words, the fork-grep-for-every-pattern method takes 52sec, while grep -f takes 1:32min. |
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| 16:22.39 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:22.39 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 16:22.41 | furrywolf | I conclude grep sucks. :P |
| 16:22.54 | stouset | furrywolf: I conclude that you need to answer another quick question about grep ;) |
| 16:22.56 | greycat | furrywolf: have you tried egrep, just out of curiosity? |
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| 16:23.13 | tuxracer66 | aterm: put them into /etc/X11/Xressources/aterm |
| 16:23.15 | furrywolf | greycat: isn't egrep ln -s grep egrep? :) |
| 16:23.31 | stouset | furrywolf: egrep is grep -e |
| 16:23.36 | greycat | furrywolf: well... on sarge, egrep is "exec grep -E ..." |
| 16:23.41 | greycat | stouset: -E |
| 16:23.50 | furrywolf | greycat: and you're thinking this is going to help? lol |
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| 16:24.04 | stouset | furrywolf: haha |
| 16:24.05 | greycat | furrywolf: but on non-Debian systems they may be implemented very differently |
| 16:24.06 | tuxracer66 | @a_monkey: did you get it ? |
| 16:24.09 | el_lo | Is there any scripting support available to apply local patches to debian packages? I'd like to call somethig like "aptitude update" which detects a local patch and then downloads the source, applies the patch, compile a local .deb and install it. |
| 16:24.25 | stouset | el_lo: look at apt-src |
| 16:24.26 | greycat | hmm... on HP-UX 10.20 they're all hardlinked together (egrep, fgrep, grep are all the same inode number) |
| 16:25.00 | greycat | ditto OpenBSD 3.6 |
| 16:25.00 | furrywolf | greycat: I remember on a solaris box grep -f being many, many times faster than the ugly for ; do grep loop... so I think solaris grep does some optimization gnu grep doesn't. |
| 16:25.10 | GarySaved | Should the Open Office v2 be listed somewhere in the repositories? |
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| 16:25.19 | greycat | furrywolf: quite probable |
| 16:25.29 | a_monkey | tuxracer66: what if i want the resources specific only to my user? |
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| 16:25.31 | greycat | "get a grep, man!!" |
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| 16:25.35 | stouset | Hahahahaha. |
| 16:25.37 | McKillroy | What is faster ? A monolithic kernel or a modularized one ? I've heared contadictory opinions concerning this question. |
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| 16:25.52 | greycat | McKillroy: there is no difference once the driver is loaded |
| 16:25.52 | furrywolf | greycat: egrep did it in 1:20 instead of 1:32. probably just random changes due to other tasks on the box... |
| 16:25.53 | oskie- | is there a standard that describes operation and input of the 'make' program? |
| 16:26.06 | stouset | McKillroy: it's all a matter of implementation |
| 16:26.15 | tuxracer66 | @a_monkey: I think it was ~/.Xresources and load them at login |
| 16:26.20 | greycat | oskie-: lots! that's the wonderful thing about standards... there are so many different ones from which to choose. |
| 16:26.22 | furrywolf | killroy: monolithic is faster than microkernel, if that's what you're asking. |
| 16:26.37 | hacim | anyone know how to get nautilus to display folders as folders, instead of file icons? |
| 16:26.47 | stouset | hacim: It doesn't? |
| 16:26.55 | furrywolf | hacim: don't think I've ever seen a folder. perhaps you should be using windows? :) |
| 16:26.55 | oskie- | greycat: do you a pointer to any? what i'm looking for is what kind of make automake requires... |
| 16:26.57 | hacim | stouset: no |
| 16:27.04 | a_monkey | greycat: thx greycat, it worked! |
| 16:27.07 | el_lo | stouset: Hey, this looks good. Thx. |
| 16:27.08 | furrywolf | brb |
| 16:27.12 | hacim | stouset: obviously something is wrong, this is the reason I asked |
| 16:27.13 | McKillroy | I think of making a specialized kernel for my machine which only supports what I want and need. So for security reasons it would be better to have a monolithic on I think. |
| 16:27.16 | stouset | hacim: It's probably your theme. Try Industrial out, just to see. |
| 16:27.21 | greycat | oskie-: it SHOULD be generating portable makefiles. unless you're in "maintainer mode" which requires GNU make. |
| 16:27.24 | hacim | stouset: I am not using gnome |
| 16:27.30 | stouset | el_lo: what does? :-) |
| 16:27.53 | el_lo | stouset: apt-src does |
| 16:27.54 | stouset | el_lo: ah, apt-src. Gotcha. |
| 16:28.04 | stouset | hacim: XFCE? |
| 16:28.35 | oskie- | greycat: hm ok! but what's a portable make? what decides if it is portable? the automake standard doesn't really say, only that it doesn't need GNU make |
| 16:28.36 | hacim | stouset: ion |
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| 16:29.00 | greycat | oskie-: probably SVID or SUS |
| 16:29.06 | tuxracer66 | @a_monkey I know .Xresources is the default - put also Xcursor.theme: redglass into it :-) |
| 16:29.06 | ravenbird | tuxracer66: okay |
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| 16:29.53 | McKillroy | What about the issue mentioned at grcesurity ( http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?t=1152 ). Is it really incompatible with glibc 2.3.4 ? |
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| 16:30.30 | mrnull | I have a _very_ minnimal installation of debian. What's the easiest way to get a desktop gui installed? Would you suggest kde? |
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| 16:30.45 | xoz | a_monkey: check /etc/X11/app-defaults/ |
| 16:30.49 | greycat | mrnull: apt-get install x-window-system; no |
| 16:30.49 | McKillroy | mrnull: kde-base |
| 16:31.44 | stouset | mrnull: As for KDE, what's your level of experience with Linux? Do you prefer light, clean, fast, usable? Or extremely customizable and flexible at a loss of usability? |
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| 16:32.06 | greycat | !info libc6 sid |
| 16:32.11 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-21 (sid), Packaged size: 4786 kB, Installed size: 15556 kB |
| 16:32.19 | greycat | McKillroy: would appear to be irrelevant for now. |
| 16:32.20 | Stereo | hi folks |
| 16:32.21 | mrnull | greycat: Cool, I'll check out x-window. Had KDE before. I just remember it taking a long time to install all the components |
| 16:32.31 | paulswm | tuxracer66: You need to change your nikc addressing, '@' talks to the ravenbird bot |
| 16:32.36 | stouset | mrnull: you may want to look at GNOME as well |
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| 16:33.06 | stouset | mrnull: for kde, do: aptitude install x-window-system-core kde, for gnome: aptitude install x-window-system-core gnome |
| 16:33.18 | tuxracer66 | @paulswm ok - will try - beginner in IRC :-) |
| 16:33.26 | Function | *frust* |
| 16:33.35 | stouset | Frustum? |
| 16:33.39 | Function | heh |
| 16:34.10 | Function | I need to use 2.4 for some silly USB NIC, but I've been on 2.6 for ages *sigh* |
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| 16:34.53 | Function | now I need to "re-learn" the 2.4 series |
| 16:35.00 | Function | like no clue how ALSA works |
| 16:35.04 | destr0___ | is there a way to quote the outpout from find when using it with xargs? if I run: find ./ -type f | xargs chmod 660 it will bomb on any files that have a space in the name |
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| 16:35.09 | McKillroy | greycat: IC . thanks ! |
| 16:35.15 | Function | and I don't feel like going back to OSS until I receive my proper NIC in the mail |
| 16:35.23 | greycat | destr0___: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 660 |
| 16:35.24 | mrnull | stouset: is aptitude cool? never used it before |
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| 16:35.27 | stouset | I can't freaking figure out how to grep for an email address, and it's driving me batty. I would have thought egrep -o "[A-Z0-9]{10}: (from|to)=<[\w|[:punct:]]+>" would match "005C5329C1: to=<emailaddress@domain.tld> |
| 16:35.34 | stouset | mrnull: aptitude is rockin' sexy |
| 16:35.35 | xoz | destr0___: try -exec <command> \; |
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| 16:35.42 | stouset | mrnull: but sadly does not come with super cow powers |
| 16:35.55 | mrnull | stouset: that's too bad ;) |
| 16:36.06 | stouset | mrnull: you think I'm kidding, don't you? |
| 16:36.07 | greycat | stouset: that should be an RC bug. |
| 16:36.11 | McKillroy | mrnull: I like aptitude, if there is no X, since it allows convenient package browsing at console |
| 16:36.47 | mrnull | Cool.. installing right now |
| 16:37.10 | stouset | echo "005C5329C1: to=<emailaddress@domain.tld>" | egrep -o "[A-Z0-9]{10}: (from|to)=<[\w|[:punct:]]+>" |
| 16:37.11 | stouset | Try it. |
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| 16:37.22 | stouset | It's the part inside of < > that messes it up. |
| 16:37.26 | stouset | But I can't determine what. |
| 16:37.57 | destr0___ | greycat: thanks |
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| 16:38.08 | stouset | Got it. use [:alnum:] rather than \w. |
| 16:38.09 | gtigene | I want sshd to start automatically when my computer boots. In what configuraiton file should I put the command to do this, please? |
| 16:38.20 | stouset | I think the shell is escaping the w, rather than grep |
| 16:38.37 | stouset | Yup, that's it. |
| 16:38.59 | xoz | stouset: use ' ' instead of " " |
| 16:39.03 | caphuso | stouset: obviously, if you quote it with "" |
| 16:39.25 | stouset | Yeah, that was it :-) Hey, give me some slack I got three hours of sleep last night and got rudely interrupted by people needing me to do this *grin* |
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| 16:41.05 | rinmak | hey, hardware question: can i run a video card thats agp 8x |
| 16:41.21 | rinmak | ...on a bus thats agp 4x - sorry bad paste |
| 16:41.25 | zophyx | what is the URL to bring up the Firefox browser's Bookmarks Manager ? |
| 16:41.27 | Obscene_CNN | yes |
| 16:41.48 | zophyx | i wish i worked for CNN |
| 16:41.59 | Rawplayer | is there some kiddie script arround whats try's to login on ssh on different ip ranges? |
| 16:42.11 | caphuso | Rawplayer: yes |
| 16:42.13 | greycat | zophyx: "obscene_CNN" probably means they said cunt. |
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| 16:42.18 | Obscene_CNN | I don't, I just use the _CNN to show I'm a CNN chatroom refugee |
| 16:42.41 | greycat | Rawplayer: thousands. |
| 16:42.44 | zophyx | CNN has a chatroom ? |
| 16:42.51 | Obscene_CNN | they used to |
| 16:42.55 | Stereo | I have this in my firewall script, but I get 'connection refused' when I connect to WAN_IP:22 |
| 16:42.58 | Obscene_CNN | then AOL bought them |
| 16:42.59 | Rawplayer | i noticed that on the usernames |
| 16:43.06 | Stereo | $IPT -t filter -A FORWARD -i $WAN -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 16:43.07 | Stereo | $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $WAN -p tcp --dport 22 -j DNAT --to 10.0.0.8:22 |
| 16:43.18 | Stereo | I've got the policies set to ACCEPT for the input, output and forward chains. The internal sshd is up and running. What else could it be? |
| 16:43.18 | zophyx | the answer to any question about kiddie script is 'yes' |
| 16:43.42 | greycat | !8ball will script kiddies eventually grow up and become people? |
| 16:43.43 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 16:43.53 | stouset | Stereo: you need to use -A INPUT on the first rule, I think. |
| 16:44.08 | stouset | Stereo: because the packet comes in to *that* IP to begin with |
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| 16:44.45 | stouset | Stereo: I'm very rusty, but IIRC it doesn't hit the PREROUTING chain until after INPUT. |
| 16:44.47 | Stereo | stouset: I tried that along with the first line and it didn't work. Do you mean s/FORWARD/INPUT/ entirely? |
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| 16:45.07 | stouset | Stereo: Yes, I think. Other than that, I can't think of anything. It's been a few years. |
| 16:45.16 | phigan | can anyone tell me why this isn't working properly... |
| 16:45.16 | phigan | ipmasqadm autofw -A -r udp 10000 20000 -h 10.4.20.242 |
| 16:45.27 | phigan | udp ports aren't being forwarded |
| 16:45.30 | stouset | Stereo: Last time I mucked around with iptables, Woody was new and Sarge was on schedule :-) |
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| 16:46.02 | PEACEYALL | is there anything for linux like expose for mac? |
| 16:46.14 | greycat | do we get to guess what that is? |
| 16:46.17 | phigan | stouset: Do you know ipchains? :) |
| 16:46.21 | greycat | does it involve nude humans? |
| 16:46.34 | stouset | phigan: No :-( |
| 16:46.43 | Stereo | greycat: only old hurd developers with big beards |
| 16:46.46 | stouset | peaceyall: No, sadly. |
| 16:47.05 | treestone | 'expose'? |
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| 16:47.24 | Stereo | http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/expose/ |
| 16:47.27 | Stereo | quite nice |
| 16:48.09 | leOn | phigan: are you accepting new connections in those ports? |
| 16:48.10 | greycat | Stereo: ah, I'm not sure those count as humans |
| 16:48.24 | phigan | le0n: yeah |
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| 16:49.06 | greycat | so... it's a window manager. |
| 16:49.06 | phigan | le0n: Well, I think so, anyway |
| 16:49.06 | peaceyall | Stereo showing me pictures isnt helping me :/ :( lol |
| 16:49.06 | peaceyall | ah nvm i found two |
| 16:49.06 | phigan | le0n: why? |
| 16:49.06 | peaceyall | for linux |
| 16:49.06 | Stereo | stouset: unfortunately, it doesn't work with FORWARD either |
| 16:49.06 | Stereo | uh |
| 16:49.06 | Stereo | INPUT |
| 16:49.06 | leOn | phigan: thinking so is not good enough .. =) |
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| 16:49.06 | Stereo | and both chains neither |
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| 16:49.07 | stouset | Stereo: D'oh. Dunno what to tell you then. It's been far too long. |
| 16:49.35 | phigan | le0n: yes |
| 16:49.48 | stouset | Stereo: Oh! |
| 16:49.53 | furrywolf | back |
| 16:49.56 | stouset | Stereo: Do you have ip forwarding enabled in the kernel? |
| 16:49.58 | stouset | hoy, furry |
| 16:50.09 | phigan | le0n: Is that how autofw is supposed to work? |
| 16:50.17 | Stereo | oh! |
| 16:50.29 | stouset | Stereo: /etc/network/options |
| 16:50.34 | Stereo | yeah, since I'm talking to you through it |
| 16:50.47 | furrywolf | with 10,000 words, fork-grep-for-every-pattern takes 1:55, while egrep -f takes 7:29. I think grep -f must be at least cubic time... |
| 16:50.52 | stouset | Stereo: Oh =\ |
| 16:51.06 | stouset | furrywolf: jesus, you're still at this :-) |
| 16:51.13 | springman | http://kirk.on.nimp.org/?u=kirk |
| 16:51.17 | springman | LOL |
| 16:51.17 | springman | http://kirk.on.nimp.org/?u=kirk |
| 16:51.19 | springman | LOL |
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| 16:51.29 | stouset | furrywolf: what about grep -f versus egrep "(alternating|patterns|like|this)" |
| 16:51.35 | furrywolf | stouset: you mean I changed "5000" to "10000" and hit enter again? yep. :P |
| 16:52.09 | Stereo | so you're saying forking in egrep isn't too efficient? |
| 16:52.21 | stouset | Stereo: exactly the opposite |
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| 16:52.33 | greycat | if you need efficient mass grepping, try perl. |
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| 16:52.40 | stouset | Stereo: forking a billion greps is somehow infinitely faster than one grep -f process |
| 16:52.41 | furrywolf | xoz: that's ok. I'm feeling a little greppy today. :P |
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| 16:53.02 | Stereo | DON'T GO TO THE URL SPRINGMAN POSTED. It opens a bunch of windows. |
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| 16:53.15 | greppywolf | grrrpy |
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| 16:53.20 | scytheman | Stereo, no, it doesn't :) |
| 16:53.24 | oskie- | funny, dict.org doesn't know the word 'customization'. is it bad? should i use 'configuration'? |
| 16:53.32 | stouset | Stereo: It does? |
| 16:53.40 | Stereo | somehow it did here :/ |
| 16:53.44 | furrywolf | alll I see is "gnaa(tm). |
| 16:53.51 | scytheman | yep :) |
| 16:54.07 | streuner | !lart furrywolf |
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| 16:54.58 | phigan | Someone with some ipchains knowledge must know why ipmasqadm autofw -A -r udp 10000 20000 -h 10.x.x.x is NOT forwarding 10000-20000 to my internal ip |
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| 16:55.38 | stouset | phigan: can I ask why you're not using iptables? |
| 16:55.41 | jeanmi_ | where can I find a netinst iso for woody ? |
| 16:55.53 | streuner | jeanmi_: /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 16:55.53 | leOn | what a dumbfuck |
| 16:56.16 | xoz | !dict costumization |
| 16:56.18 | dpkg | could not find definition for costumization |
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| 16:56.25 | phigan | stouset: 2.2 kernel |
| 16:56.27 | leOn | i love people who paste URLs with non-stop pop-up windows |
| 16:56.32 | phigan | stouset: and very limited space |
| 16:56.41 | furrywolf | !dict customization |
| 16:56.43 | dpkg | could not find definition for customization |
| 16:56.46 | greycat | leOn: people still use web browsers that permit popups? |
| 16:56.47 | furrywolf | !dict customisation |
| 16:56.49 | dpkg | could not find definition for customisation |
| 16:56.58 | greycat | furrywolf: try /msg ravenbird dict ... |
| 16:57.01 | GarySaved | Any ideas why my computer makes a noise like an old printer, if I enable the sound server? |
| 16:57.02 | greycat | furrywolf: I think dpkg's dict is broken |
| 16:57.05 | catalyst4000 | !dict myway |
| 16:57.06 | dpkg | could not find definition for myway |
| 16:57.11 | raf256 | hi |
| 16:57.18 | furrywolf | greycat: I think so too. :) |
| 16:57.19 | raf256 | what can I use to create password protected rar? |
| 16:57.26 | furrywolf | xoz: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=customization |
| 16:57.36 | furrywolf | or was that oskie? |
| 16:57.40 | catalyst4000 | ok... |
| 16:57.40 | furrywolf | whoever asked dict first. :) |
| 16:57.47 | leOn | greycat: i actually have my firefox to block popup windows |
| 16:57.56 | stouset | phigan: d'oh :-( |
| 16:58.00 | stouset | phigan: wish I could help, man. |
| 16:58.03 | catalyst4000 | so, my fonts are messed up |
| 16:58.06 | leOn | and it worked anyways |
| 16:58.06 | stouset | I'm out, folks. Got class in an hour. |
| 16:58.09 | zophyx | what is the URL to bring up the Firefox browser's Bookmarks Manager ? |
| 16:58.17 | greycat | leOn: I turn off Javascript. No popups EVER. |
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| 16:58.24 | GarySaved | When I tried ubuntu, it worked perfect. That happens if I enable it here in Debian. |
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| 16:58.33 | furrywolf | greycat: you don't use ebay, do you? |
| 16:58.50 | greycat | (except for dumb fucks who program their web pages to launch subpages in new windows on a left click when I expect it to *replace* the current tab...) |
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| 16:59.00 | greycat | furrywolf: no |
| 16:59.01 | McKillroy | Which chip has an ATI Rage XL (on-board) ? I didnt find an answer on ati.com. Is it Mach64 or Rage128 ? |
| 16:59.13 | greycat | McKillroy: try both. |
| 16:59.24 | phigan | le0n: No infos? |
| 16:59.31 | McKillroy | Argh. |
| 16:59.34 | furrywolf | greycat: ebay requires javascript. :( |
| 16:59.39 | Gathond | McKillroy: pretty sure anything called rage is a rage128 family :) |
| 16:59.40 | xoz | McKillroy: google |
| 16:59.47 | catalyst4000 | how do I fix my font sizes |
| 16:59.50 | Obscene_CNN | How do I keep debian from adjusting my clock? (Yes, I know I selected the wrong option on install) |
| 16:59.51 | greycat | furrywolf: so does Ohio's electronic income tax filing, but that's only once a year |
| 17:00.05 | greycat | Obscene_CNN: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 17:00.22 | Obscene_CNN | thx |
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| 17:01.15 | catalyst4000 | anyone? |
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| 17:01.37 | furrywolf | greycat: ebay is an important daily activity. :P |
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| 17:02.40 | catalyst4000 | well, lets try this, I will explain my problem. |
| 17:02.42 | stouset | catalyst4000: what's wrong with them |
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| 17:03.03 | catalyst4000 | I use KDE. |
| 17:03.10 | catalyst4000 | My fonts were too small. |
| 17:03.28 | Obscene_CNN | get a bigger screen ;-) |
| 17:03.28 | catalyst4000 | I fixed it, via GNOME's Control Center (this made no sense to me), but it worked |
| 17:03.44 | catalyst4000 | but it doesn't save those sizes |
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| 17:03.49 | catalyst4000 | how do I make it permanent? |
| 17:04.01 | xoz | catalyst4000: change DPI setting or change font in kcontrol |
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| 17:04.29 | catalyst4000 | I will try that... but it only really effects programs like gaim, and firefox |
| 17:04.41 | catalyst4000 | or rather, my problem is only with those programs |
| 17:04.45 | ARCh1V1st | can someone suggest a good InternetTV application for Debian |
| 17:04.52 | stouset | catalyst4000: Because those are GNOME programs |
| 17:04.57 | goki | they are gnome programs, so that is where they get font from |
| 17:05.07 | goki | firefox isnt gnome, but it will be running gnome theme thing |
| 17:05.08 | xoz | catalyst4000: gaim and firefox are gnome-based |
| 17:05.10 | catalyst4000 | yeah, the kcontrol settings work for all my KDE apps, and those fonts are stored |
| 17:05.19 | goki | the gnome settings should be persistent |
| 17:05.26 | catalyst4000 | but shouldn't the GNOME settings be stored? |
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| 17:05.31 | goki | are you running under kde? |
| 17:05.33 | catalyst4000 | and automatically load? |
| 17:05.35 | xoz | catalyst4000: try changing DPI |
| 17:05.36 | catalyst4000 | yes, im in KDE |
| 17:05.38 | goki | ah |
| 17:05.43 | catalyst4000 | I set my DPI to 100 |
| 17:05.43 | zhrek | Hi! is package PUMP a good dhcp client ? |
| 17:05.54 | streuner | zhrek: yes |
| 17:05.55 | goki | that is the same problem I have, kde overwrites your gnome settings, with ridiulously small font size |
| 17:05.56 | catalyst4000 | again, with a GNOME tool |
| 17:05.58 | xoz | catalyst4000: try lower |
| 17:05.58 | furrywolf | hrrmph! 20,000 words with fork-grep-for-every-word takes 5:50. grep -f has been going for about 20 mins. grep "word|word!etc" runs for 51 seconds, at which point it's using 1.6gb of ram, and died. |
| 17:06.04 | zhrek | streuner: why ? |
| 17:06.06 | catalyst4000 | how would I do this specifically for KDE? |
| 17:06.16 | streuner | zhrek: try dhclient, it has more feature to configure |
| 17:06.21 | goki | catalyst4000, I don't know how to fix that one, but the problem is very probably kde overwriting settings |
| 17:06.30 | streuner | zhrek: because its stable and reliable |
| 17:06.31 | stouset | furrywolf: jesus =P |
| 17:06.34 | furrywolf | whoops, only took 27 seconds to use 1.6gb of ram and die that time. :) |
| 17:06.43 | stouset | furrywolf: So that's a no on "grep word|word|word|word|word" =P |
| 17:06.43 | goki | catalyst4000, someone told me to switch off the colour matching in kde control center, but it didnt work for me |
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| 17:06.55 | mops | why when I set iptables -A INPUT -j LOG |
| 17:06.55 | zhrek | Streuner: its not reliable! I must kill pump program, and restart it: pump -i eth0 |
| 17:07.02 | catalyst4000 | goki: so I have to figure out which kde app likes to rewrite configs and play with that app? |
| 17:07.07 | furrywolf | stouset: that's a no. pretty hard to get performance data when it seems to have non-trivial memory usage. :) |
| 17:07.09 | mops | packets AREN'T logged by syslog? |
| 17:07.10 | slush_v6 | is there an option to apt-get that will tell it to just ignore unknown packages? |
| 17:07.14 | streuner | zhrek: unstable? |
| 17:07.17 | stouset | furrywolf: no kidding |
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| 17:07.21 | goki | catalyst4000, yup I think so. Possibly you can make the file it overwrites read only, or something like that |
| 17:07.24 | mops | I was configuring syslog |
| 17:07.28 | goki | catalyst4000, if you work it out, let me know ;) |
| 17:07.31 | stouset | furrywolf: my approach seems to be working okay |
| 17:07.32 | catalyst4000 | heh |
| 17:07.39 | streuner | zhrek: custom kernel? |
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| 17:07.43 | catalyst4000 | so does anyone here know the configuration files for fonts? |
| 17:07.51 | mops | I done minor changes to syslog.conf, restarted and packets AREN'T logged |
| 17:08.00 | mops | please help me somebody! |
| 17:08.01 | goki | catalyst4000, it is likely to be a .gtkrc type file, but I can 't find it |
| 17:08.05 | furrywolf | I have 2gb of ram and 4gb of swap... it uses 1.6gb-1.7gb of ram and dies. if I had a box with less ram and/or no swap, I'd probably get to see oom-killer have some fun. :) |
| 17:08.11 | stouset | for LOGFILE in `find /var/log/ -mtime -90 -name "mail.log*"`; do for ID in `zgrep postfix $LOGFILE | egrep -o "[A-Z0-9]{10}: (from|to)=<(address1|address2|address3|address4)@domain.tld>" | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq`; do zgrep $ID $LOGFILE; done; done | cut -d\ -f1-3,6-7 | egrep "[A-Z0-9]{10}: (from|to)=<[[:alnum:]|[:punct:]]+>" |
| 17:08.18 | catalyst4000 | goki: well that's a starting point for me |
| 17:08.23 | Xerex | when installing KDE through apt-get instal, and say one package, for instance kdesktop timed out , what should be done ? |
| 17:08.30 | zhrek | Streuner: pump cant recover! Every once or twice in month, over the three last year i must restart manually.. I'm going to try dhclient instead. |
| 17:08.34 | goki | catalyst4000, I'm pretty sure it is in a gtk rc file, because it changes not only font sizes but style and colour etc. |
| 17:08.57 | furrywolf | the most efficient way, sadly, seems to be forking grep for every pattern. and that's sad. |
| 17:10.23 | _joey | Kubuntu has been anounced the project of the week: From their web page our _mission_ is to be the besdt KDE distro |
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| 17:10.27 | _joey | lmao |
| 17:10.41 | catalyst4000 | goki: I found ~/.kde/share/config/gtkrc |
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| 17:10.48 | catalyst4000 | now I'll look into that file |
| 17:11.00 | stouset | furrywolf: indeed. or outsourcing the grep to a solaris machine ;) |
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| 17:11.19 | catalyst4000 | ha |
| 17:11.22 | catalyst4000 | in the file |
| 17:11.24 | catalyst4000 | it says |
| 17:11.28 | catalyst4000 | # If you do not want KDE to override your GTK settings, select |
| 17:11.28 | catalyst4000 | # Appearance & Themes -> Colors in the Control Center and disable the checkbox |
| 17:11.28 | catalyst4000 | # "Apply colors to non-KDE applications" |
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| 17:11.54 | _joey | Has anyone used KNewsTicker in KDE ? |
| 17:11.58 | catalyst4000 | I'll try that |
| 17:12.00 | _joey | really cool applet |
| 17:12.19 | stouset | Woot, the wc -l finished. 32000 lines. |
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| 17:12.41 | _joey | you configure which news you like and it will run headlines fromr rss feeds |
| 17:12.48 | stouset | At least it works. Now I've got to figure out how to get lines with a Date, Time, ID, and from|to to be on the same line if they have the same ID :-) |
| 17:12.51 | _joey | www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/cards8.png |
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| 17:15.08 | pudo | hi all, sorry to ask here, but is there a channel discussing #xen (and possibly the combination of xen and deb)? |
| 17:15.20 | furrywolf | right now I'm seeing if using egrep -f with 5 patterns per line is faster or slower than egrep -f with one pattern per line. :) |
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| 17:16.02 | furrywolf | after that I'll see if the fork-grep-every-pattern is faster with 5 patterns at a time or one pattern at a time. :P |
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| 17:16.26 | priest | furrywolf: take a grep of your life instead ;) |
| 17:16.31 | mwelsh | anyone here ever try to dual boot debian and fedora? |
| 17:16.43 | furrywolf | priest: heh. I'm waiting for breakfast to finish cooking. |
| 17:17.15 | zophyx | how many pots are you using to cook breakfast with ? |
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| 17:17.40 | furrywolf | grep "pots" stove.txt | wc -l |
| 17:17.40 | furrywolf | 1 |
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| 17:18.01 | ARCh1V1st | can someone please recommend a good Internet TV application for Linux? |
| 17:18.07 | zophyx | i was afraid you'd say that |
| 17:18.12 | furrywolf | arch: mplayer. |
| 17:18.25 | ARCh1V1st | Or just something I could sort InternetTV links with, and have them load in an associated player |
| 17:18.39 | ARCh1V1st | trying to stay within the debian repositories though :) |
| 17:18.54 | ARCh1V1st | xine would be preferred.... if possible |
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| 17:20.22 | furrywolf | exec-grep-for-every-pattern with 5 patterns per line takes only 53 seconds as opposed to 5:50 with one pattern per line |
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| 17:20.48 | priest | furrywolf: but think if there were many pots on the same line in stove.txt? :P |
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| 17:21.31 | Virtual | if I mount a windows fat32 partition can I access the files from another use than root?! |
| 17:21.37 | furrywolf | so for small numbers of patterns, the linear-time grep-starting/file-searching takes far longer then the exponential-time multiple-pattern matching... |
| 17:21.46 | abrotman | !tell Virtual about vfatrw |
| 17:21.57 | furrywolf | stouset: so I've figured out how to make your script faster. :P |
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| 17:22.48 | guru | !nvidia-faq |
| 17:22.55 | guru | !nvidia |
| 17:22.56 | dpkg | nvidia is probably DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 17:23.06 | stouset | furrywolf: how's that? |
| 17:23.17 | guru | !nvidia-howto |
| 17:23.18 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. |
| 17:23.23 | guru | there it is |
| 17:23.36 | furrywolf | stouset: rather than calling grep for every pattern, call grep for every set of 5 patterns. :) |
| 17:23.37 | stouset | !nvidia-one-liner |
| 17:23.37 | shadowrun | i just installed them yesterday |
| 17:23.50 | stouset | furrywolf: eh, too much effort methinks :-) |
| 17:23.53 | priest | !nvidia installer |
| 17:23.53 | dpkg | [nvidia installer] a script available from nvidia.com which installs nvidia drivers for you. However, it overwrites files that apt owns, which can get overwritten themselves when X is upgraded, leading to random breakage. Ask me about "nvidia-howto" or just "nvidia" |
| 17:23.57 | guru | does dpkg work in a pm too? |
| 17:23.59 | furrywolf | using blocks of 9 patterns gets it down from 5:50 to 0:31. :) |
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| 17:24.05 | furrywolf | guru: yep |
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| 17:24.12 | guru | kewl, thank you |
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| 17:24.16 | abrotman | guru: yes |
| 17:24.23 | guru | didn't want to spam the channel every time i needed to look up something |
| 17:24.29 | stouset | furrywolf: I just let it run in the background of the mailserver, and I'm going to class for the next five hours |
| 17:24.44 | furrywolf | lol |
| 17:24.45 | abrotman | !tell guru about msg |
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| 17:24.51 | furrywolf | I like optimizing things. :P |
| 17:24.54 | guru | i don't suppose anyone here would know anything about glut would they? |
| 17:24.57 | stouset | furrywolf: I sent the script to my manager for documentation purposes. He's not a techie, so I'm certain he's going to stare at that and wonder if I'm bullshitting ;) |
| 17:25.04 | stouset | furrywolf: I can tell. I like optimizing my time :-) |
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| 17:25.09 | furrywolf | guru: a little. |
| 17:25.18 | stouset | guru: also a little |
| 17:25.21 | abrotman | guru: it makes you fat! :) |
| 17:25.27 | furrywolf | guru: I know glut_solid_teapot() is useful. :P |
| 17:26.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:26.18 | guru | the reason i'm asking is because i am using the nvidia drivers (from the installer provided by dpkg above) and i wanted to write some applications using glut, however nvidia does not provide it and the last time i installed freeglut3 i think it hosed my nvidia driver |
| 17:26.33 | stouset | guru: It shouldn't. |
| 17:26.36 | stouset | guru: I've used it. |
| 17:26.36 | guru | so my question is this: what is the correct (read: safe) way to install glut? |
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| 17:26.44 | guru | hmm |
| 17:27.00 | furrywolf | grep -f with 20,000 words is going on 35 minutes... I might just give up and kill it. :P |
| 17:27.01 | guru | so freeglut3-dev is what i need from apt? |
| 17:27.05 | furrywolf | it's obviously exponential. |
| 17:27.16 | guru | furrywolf: heh |
| 17:27.16 | stouset | guru: aye. |
| 17:27.29 | stouset | furrywolf: No way. Logarithmic man! |
| 17:27.31 | guru | and freeglut doesn't affect nvidia's driver in any way? |
| 17:27.48 | furrywolf | stouset: no. :P |
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| 17:28.02 | guru | maybe i did something wrong then, who knows |
| 17:28.05 | furrywolf | woot! finally finished. 36:07. :) |
| 17:28.09 | stouset | furrywolf: imaginary? |
| 17:28.26 | stouset | furrywolf: In order to figure out when this algorithm finishes, you have to take the square root of a negative number! |
| 17:28.34 | furrywolf | 5,000 words is 1:20. 10,000 words is 7:29. 20,000 words is 36:07. :) |
| 17:28.34 | Virtual | can I startup windows while I am running linux? Virtual PC or something?! |
| 17:28.42 | furrywolf | virtual: vmware |
| 17:28.53 | guru | heh, i typed ":(){ :|:&};:" into a terminal once...i will *never* do that again |
| 17:29.00 | guru | ultimately i had to press the reset button |
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| 17:29.04 | drcodedd2 | Hi all |
| 17:29.05 | drcodedd2 | whats up |
| 17:29.13 | drcodedd2 | any one mybe setup osst driver? |
| 17:29.18 | stouset | furrywolf: sounds like a good use of linear regressions if I ever saw one. |
| 17:29.30 | greycat | guru: help ulimit |
| 17:29.42 | guru | greycat: you mean man ulimit? |
| 17:29.52 | abrotman | osst ? |
| 17:29.52 | Roldyx | osst?? |
| 17:30.14 | Roldyx | maybe oss?? |
| 17:30.17 | guru | greycat: is there any way i can set a default for all users? |
| 17:30.20 | drcodedd2 | its for OnStream Tape drive |
| 17:30.24 | guru | except root of course |
| 17:30.29 | drcodedd2 | I can't make it work |
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| 17:30.36 | greycat | guru: no, I mean help, the bash builtin command |
| 17:30.41 | guru | ahh ok |
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| 17:30.46 | drcodedd2 | I get messages that all ok , but stll it dosnt create /dev/osst0 |
| 17:30.51 | guru | greycat: but that is only for bash right? |
| 17:30.58 | llahm | How can I trap SIGCHLD in bash and figure out which child died? |
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| 17:31.24 | greycat | guru: the concept carries over to all processes. |
| 17:31.30 | roler | can someone help me generate a private/public key using puttygen? I don't know if i'm typing the right lines |
| 17:31.31 | greycat | guru: only the syntax differs |
| 17:31.34 | guru | llahm: there is a specific channel for that, but i don't remember the channel name. the only one i remember is the one that gets you an auto k-line |
| 17:31.43 | guru | greycat: ok, i'll read up on it then |
| 17:31.52 | llahm | guru: ? |
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| 17:32.04 | greycat | llahm: you gave up on #bash? |
| 17:32.10 | drcodedd2 | any way , can I update modules by apt-get? |
| 17:32.13 | guru | llahm: iirc it's #bash, but you might want to check on the freenode site first |
| 17:32.17 | greycat | llahm: I promise you, you'll get *worse* answers here. |
| 17:32.27 | guru | i think #shell auto k-lines anyone who joins |
| 17:32.32 | greycat | guru: it's #bash and he was asking this stuff in #bash an hour ago |
| 17:32.33 | Obscene_CNN | grrr!!! I need libcupsys2-gnutls10 >= 1.1.23-1 for a lot of debain 64 packages and its not available yet |
| 17:32.45 | guru | greycat: ahh ok |
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| 17:32.58 | guru | llahm: #linux is sometimes helpful too |
| 17:33.37 | mops | HOW is it with syslogd? |
| 17:33.38 | llahm | I can figure out how to trap. But I can't figure how to get the PID of whatever died. |
| 17:33.44 | mops | this is quite a bullshit: |
| 17:33.54 | guru | llahm: getpid? |
| 17:34.02 | mops | I'm running syslogd and iptables -A INPUT -j LOG is set |
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| 17:34.10 | Xerex | how can I disable the bell when working on the terminal outside any GUI interface ? |
| 17:34.16 | guru | llahm: ahh it's pidof |
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| 17:34.19 | mops | when I flush INPUT, logging of packets end |
| 17:34.20 | guru | getpid is c |
| 17:34.34 | mops | when I start it again it starts again, it's okay |
| 17:34.43 | llahm | But I want the PID when I'm in the parent's SIGCHLD handler. |
| 17:34.48 | mops | but when I restart syslogd, NO packet is longer logged |
| 17:34.54 | mops | WHY IS THIS POSSIBLES??? |
| 17:34.55 | guru | llahm: i have no idea then |
| 17:35.17 | guru | llahm: might try google if you haven't already |
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| 17:35.44 | mops | please help me |
| 17:35.50 | Obscene_CNN | is there a debian64 channel? |
| 17:35.52 | abrotman | mops: could you try again .. in english |
| 17:35.58 | abrotman | !tell Obscene_CNN about amd64 |
| 17:36.01 | greycat | guru: I think he got scared off from #bash when I gave him the URL to LordFrith's sample bash script for handling lots of children. |
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| 17:36.11 | guru | greycat: heh |
| 17:36.12 | mops | so: |
| 17:36.17 | greycat | guru: he /quit 4 minutes later without saying anything |
| 17:36.19 | mops | I have set this rule: |
| 17:36.30 | mops | iptables -A INPUT -j LOG, and no other on input chains |
| 17:36.31 | Blissex | mops: probably your logging rules are in the INPUT chain. |
| 17:36.33 | guru | greycat: that wouldn't scare me...i've seen some hellish code in perl so i can handle anything ;) |
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| 17:36.49 | Obscene_CNN | thx abrotman |
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| 17:36.54 | mops | sylogd is running and logging ALL packets that go through |
| 17:36.55 | slyphon | anyone know what the website is that has archived copies of debs? |
| 17:36.59 | drcodedd2 | can I update module by apt-get? |
| 17:37.00 | guru | i seen > 300 lines of perl that done nothing more than rotate log files and trim fat from them |
| 17:37.02 | slyphon | for sid |
| 17:37.03 | greycat | !sdn |
| 17:37.03 | dpkg | i guess sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 17:37.03 | drcodedd2 | I want to update osst? |
| 17:37.08 | slyphon | (i.e. previous versions) |
| 17:37.08 | drcodedd2 | I have the source code |
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| 17:37.14 | Blissex | mops: so when you flush the INPUT chain you lose the logging. What's surprising about that? |
| 17:37.18 | mops | I restart syslog with THE SAME config file, and packets aren't logged |
| 17:37.29 | llahm | greycat: I looked at that for a while. I need to keep reading it for a while until it makes more sense. |
| 17:37.31 | guru | drcodedd2: man apt-get |
| 17:37.33 | mops | Blissex: I didn't flushed input chain! |
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| 17:37.38 | essobi_ | What packages do I need to compile kernels? I forget which ones... |
| 17:37.46 | abrotman | !tell essobi_ about kp |
| 17:37.46 | Blissex | mops: but have you re-added the logging rule? |
| 17:37.47 | mops | read please what I'm writting... |
| 17:37.50 | llahm | greycat: I didn't think it'd be right to ask questions about it until I've looked and I know what it does. |
| 17:38.02 | abrotman | Essobi: and why are you compilling your kernel? |
| 17:38.04 | mops | Blissex: NO I added nothing |
| 17:38.12 | greycat | llahm: I didn't understand it either, at least not on the first pass. Ask LordFrith if he comes back. |
| 17:38.15 | abrotman | !annoy Blissex |
| 17:38.23 | mops | the syslog.conf was untouched |
| 17:38.24 | abrotman | oh .. it's gone ? |
| 17:38.26 | Blissex | mops: there are two possibilities: you have lost the logging rule in the INPUT chain |
| 17:38.30 | abrotman | or . is it !irritate ? |
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| 17:38.37 | llahm | greycat: I have a shell expert here at work but he went to a meeting right about when I /quit. |
| 17:38.38 | greycat | llahm: in any case, #bash is a much better place to be asking these questions |
| 17:38.40 | mops | Blissec: NO, rule is there |
| 17:38.43 | Essobi | abrotman Oh FFS, just tell me what packages I need to compile? I need to disable some stuff and re-kpkg a new kernel. |
| 17:38.48 | mops | I checked it million times |
| 17:38.48 | drcodedd2 | I dont see update modules? |
| 17:38.52 | Blissex | abrotman: dont worry, <mops> is trying too... |
| 17:38.52 | drcodedd2 | in apt-get? |
| 17:38.53 | slyphon | anyone? archive versions that are not current sid? |
| 17:38.59 | greycat | slyphon: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:39.03 | greycat | since you skipped right over it last time |
| 17:39.08 | abrotman | Essobi: i think i just did ... |
| 17:39.09 | slyphon | greycat: what? |
| 17:39.10 | abrotman | didn't i? |
| 17:39.10 | llahm | greycat: I figure I'll ask him when he comes back, and then if that doesn't work I'll put out the bash ref section on operators and have at it. |
| 17:39.16 | slyphon | greycat: i'm talking about a site |
| 17:39.19 | greycat | 13:37 greycat> !sdn |
| 17:39.19 | greycat | 13:37 dpkg> i guess sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older |
| 17:39.20 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.22 | mops | Blissex: and the 2nd possibility? |
| 17:39.24 | abrotman | Essobi: you mean kernel-package and build-essential and libncurses-dev ? |
| 17:39.26 | Blissex | mops: the other possibility is that somehow the LOG rule is not configured for the right facility of level. |
| 17:39.26 | greycat | that's THREE now. |
| 17:39.35 | slyphon | greycat: jeez man, sorry, thank you |
| 17:39.48 | abrotman | three emotions in a single line! |
| 17:39.48 | Essobi | Mmm.. I must have missed essential.. |
| 17:39.58 | mops | Blissex: NO; so how it was able to log packets before restart? |
| 17:40.01 | slyphon | abrotman: i'm bucking for my oscar |
| 17:40.05 | abrotman | Essobi: then perhaps you should actually *read* what dpkg said |
| 17:40.17 | mops | it is against logical rules |
| 17:40.18 | Essobi | I was using apt-get not dpkg. |
| 17:40.20 | Blissex | mops: perhaps you are not telling things like they are... |
| 17:40.28 | Xerex | anyone knows the GTK name for apt-get install ? |
| 17:40.30 | Gathond | mops: option 3, iptables logs to some socket which changes when you restart syslogd |
| 17:40.37 | abrotman | Essobi: i mean in /msg |
| 17:40.40 | guru | Xerex: try apt-cache search |
| 17:40.40 | abrotman | !tell Essobi about kp |
| 17:40.42 | drac | Xerex: You know, when you apt-cache search gtk |
| 17:40.42 | abrotman | see .. that |
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| 17:40.51 | mops | Gathond: how can I inspect that? |
| 17:40.54 | Xerex | I got so many results |
| 17:40.55 | Essobi | :) |
| 17:40.56 | drcodedd2 | how I can update my mdules? |
| 17:41.00 | Gathond | mops: no idea |
| 17:41.01 | Essobi | Oh, I never got that. |
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| 17:41.01 | guru | apt-caceh search gtk | more |
| 17:41.01 | yam | I want to get passwords from my ldap server back to my local passwd file, copy paste should work? the md5crypt string should do, shouldnt it? |
| 17:41.02 | Roldyx | QT POWA! |
| 17:41.07 | Essobi | I just did that time. |
| 17:41.09 | catalyst4000 | ok, still no luck on the fonts thing |
| 17:41.11 | Gathond | mops: but it is my only suggestion :) |
| 17:41.14 | mops | :( |
| 17:41.19 | drcodedd2 | I can compile module from source code is it recommanded? |
| 17:41.20 | llahm | Xerex: heaven forbid you pipe it to more and read! |
| 17:41.21 | Essobi | I switched nicks.. he must have sent to my old one. :) |
| 17:41.22 | abrotman | Essobi: you may have done your nick changes right when dpkg tried to send it |
| 17:41.30 | mops | but it is only one logical thing that is possible... |
| 17:41.37 | a_monkey | can anybody tell me where the icon shown for the gnome-panel clock applet in the "Add to Panel..." dialogue is? |
| 17:41.42 | Essobi | Ah. |
| 17:41.47 | catalyst4000 | but I've narrowed it down to when X is restarted, and then I log in to KDE the fonts are reset to the sizes that I don't want |
| 17:41.48 | guru | now if someone can figure out how to pipe novacaine into my jaw to make my tooth stop hurting that would be grand |
| 17:42.02 | catalyst4000 | still have to run gnome-font-properties and the fonts go back to the way i want them |
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| 17:42.21 | llahm | guru: what's the issue with it |
| 17:42.30 | abrotman | a_monkey: in /usr/share i'd imagine .. |
| 17:42.31 | humbolt | what to use to monitor multible routers via snmp. The thing should be configurable via web and the configuration should be easy so it can be extended easily. |
| 17:42.36 | guru | llahm: i think i have an inner ear infection, either that or sinuses again |
| 17:42.38 | a_monkey | abrotman: i've been looking in there |
| 17:42.39 | phigan | Anyone know, can you use IPPORTFW for port ranges, or do you have to use IPAUTOFW (ipchains)? |
| 17:42.41 | llahm | guru: oh crap |
| 17:42.42 | a_monkey | abrotman: can't find it... |
| 17:42.46 | guru | yeah, hurts like hell |
| 17:42.49 | abrotman | a_monkey: dpkg -L capplets ? |
| 17:43.03 | guru | makes it quite hard to focus on work |
| 17:43.06 | llahm | phigan: if anything couldn't you set the rules with a bash for loop? |
| 17:43.16 | llahm | phigan: read the netfilter howto |
| 17:43.18 | humbolt | it should discover new interfaces, ... on the routers by itself. |
| 17:43.19 | phigan | llahm: its 10,000 udp ports |
| 17:43.25 | drcodedd2 | any idea? |
| 17:43.27 | humbolt | the less config needed the better |
| 17:43.53 | Xerex | hey guys, am getting the following eror: Gtl-warning **: Cannot open display: |
| 17:43.54 | guru | i'm pretty impressed with my ncurses wrapepr function for writing a single line |
| 17:44.02 | Xerex | Gtk-warning sorry |
| 17:44.13 | phigan | llahm: Looks like netfilter is for 2.4/iptables |
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| 17:44.18 | guru | Xerex: is DISPLAY set correctly? |
| 17:44.33 | greycat | guru: clearly it's unset. |
| 17:44.41 | Xerex | guru: how u do that ? |
| 17:44.41 | llahm | this guy's quit line doesn't meet the xml spec -!- eggy [~eggy@eggy.active.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["<null>"] <-- shouldn't it be <null/> |
| 17:44.43 | guru | greycat: thetorical question :) |
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| 17:44.50 | greycat | Xerex: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 17:44.53 | guru | Xerex: same way you set any environment variable |
| 17:45.00 | greycat | guru: unwise... |
| 17:45.01 | llahm | phigan: PORTFW and AUTOFW have been around since even 2.2 |
| 17:45.04 | guru | greycat: that's not necessary |
| 17:45.12 | llahm | phigan: and 2.4/2.6 use the same interface |
| 17:45.18 | guru | don't run anything as root unless you have to |
| 17:45.18 | greycat | guru: then again, he might be trying to run it from a text console. We *don't know*. |
| 17:45.20 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 17:45.21 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 17:45.31 | drcodedd2 | I have line like that KDIR := /usr/src/linux |
| 17:45.31 | guru | greycat: yeah but that is the most likely issue |
| 17:45.37 | drcodedd2 | what I need to change? |
| 17:45.41 | phigan | llahm: ipmasqadm autofw? |
| 17:45.48 | Xerex | guru: well this is a brand new installation of Debian, am trying to run airsnort |
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| 17:45.53 | Xerex | and I am getting that message |
| 17:45.55 | llahm | phigan: hold on |
| 17:46.02 | guru | Xerex: export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 17:46.03 | mops | but when I reinstall the syslogd it logs the packets again |
| 17:46.04 | guru | then try it |
| 17:46.08 | mops | how this is possible? |
| 17:46.22 | llahm | phigan: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/ should have the current docs |
| 17:46.49 | Xerex | guru: same thing |
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| 17:46.49 | phigan | llahm: i'm using ipchains... |
| 17:47.15 | guru | Xerex: then man airsnort |
| 17:47.15 | llahm | phigan: ipchains is ancient |
| 17:47.16 | guru | man is your best friend |
| 17:47.16 | Xerex | I also get this: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 17:47.20 | llahm | phigan: I can't help you with that. |
| 17:47.31 | guru | Xerex: ok, find out what number your display is then |
| 17:47.41 | phigan | Anyone know, can you use IPPORTFW for port ranges, or do you have to use IPAUTOFW (ipchains)? |
| 17:47.44 | guru | it might be 0 (typical), 1, 2, 3, etc |
| 17:47.48 | Xerex | guru: could you please tell me how |
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| 17:48.16 | onre | xerex, are you trying to start a program as some other user than one that started X? |
| 17:48.18 | guru | Xerex: ls /var/log and you should see something like XFree86.num.log, num is your display |
| 17:48.23 | scholmo | Hi |
| 17:48.31 | guru | that's how i do it anyway |
| 17:48.37 | guru | or look in your config file |
| 17:48.41 | scholmo | anybody knows boot option for disable DMA ? |
| 17:48.54 | Xerex | onre: no am just trying to run airsnort, which used to run fine on othe r distros |
| 17:48.57 | scholmo | ide=nodma didn't work |
| 17:49.04 | humbolt | anybody ever used cacti? |
| 17:49.08 | Kerr | from a Debian perspective, What is the difference between Debian and Ubuntu ? |
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| 17:49.15 | wooden | hi |
| 17:49.18 | guru | scholmo: what's your boot line look like? |
| 17:49.20 | wooden | what do i need for sata in my kernel? |
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| 17:49.22 | llahm | scholmo: i think it might be plain nodma |
| 17:49.33 | llahm | scholmo: google nodma for some more info |
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| 17:49.40 | scholmo | guru : linux acpi=off ide=nodma |
| 17:49.55 | scholmo | guru : using sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:49.57 | guru | try dma=off |
| 17:50.06 | scholmo | ok thanks |
| 17:50.09 | scholmo | I will try |
| 17:50.11 | guru | or maybe idedma=off or something liek that |
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| 17:50.21 | Xerex | guru: its 0 :) |
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| 17:50.34 | guru | Xerex: ok, then the problem lies elsewhere |
| 17:50.37 | scholmo | ok |
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| 17:50.43 | guru | Xerex: echo $DISPLAY just to be sure it's set |
| 17:50.44 | p8m | How can I set the mac addr of my interface at boot? |
| 17:50.56 | guru | p8m: man ifconfig |
| 17:50.57 | Xerex | guru: yup, :0 |
| 17:51.09 | guru | Xerex: did you check your log file? |
| 17:51.10 | scholmo | guru : thanks |
| 17:51.15 | Xerex | guru: another thing, is GTK installed by default with a sarge distro ? |
| 17:51.15 | guru | schue: anytime |
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| 17:51.29 | guru | Xerex: i have no idea, did you select it or anything that requires it? |
| 17:51.30 | p8m | guru: ya, but how can I do that automatically at boot? |
| 17:51.38 | guru | p8m: again, main ifconfig |
| 17:51.41 | llahm | p8m: man interfaces |
| 17:51.51 | llahm | p8m: you have to define it in the interfaces file |
| 17:51.52 | Xerex | guru: well what I am getting is an GTK error |
| 17:51.56 | guru | at the bottom of the manpage it says see also |
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| 17:52.07 | guru | Xerex: ok, install gtk then |
| 17:52.07 | p8m | llahm: thanks |
| 17:52.09 | Xerex | guru : Gtk-warning **: Cannot open display: |
| 17:52.12 | llahm | p8m: if you read tha manpage it gives you the proper directives to give yourself a mac address |
| 17:52.20 | guru | Xerex: that's gtk saying it cannot open the display |
| 17:52.25 | guru | are you in the video group? |
| 17:52.26 | greycat | Xerex: tell us what you are *doing*. |
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| 17:52.36 | greycat | Xerex: trying to run some GUI program as root after "su -" in an xterm? |
| 17:52.39 | llahm | p8m: i don't remember em now but i used it once to make my address 13:37:DE:AD:BE:EF |
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| 17:53.32 | a_monkey | still can't find that clock applet icon... |
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| 17:55.07 | Xerex | greycat: am just trying to open up airsnort, and am getting that error |
| 17:55.18 | guru | Xerex: what are you typing? |
| 17:55.22 | guru | paste the line to us |
| 17:55.22 | Xerex | si I fugred there is something with either GTK or the display |
| 17:55.30 | Xerex | jsut airsnort |
| 17:55.34 | greycat | tell us HOW YOU GOT TO THE PLACE WHERE YOU TYPED IT, too! |
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| 17:55.55 | greycat | e.g. "I logged in as xerex on a text console and typed startx, then launched an xterm and typed ``su -''" |
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| 17:56.19 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 17:56.19 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 17:56.40 | guru | vaugeness makes jesus kill a dog |
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| 17:57.01 | greycat | dpkg, vogueness is <REPLY> VOGUENESS MAKES MADONNA CRY! |
| 17:57.01 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 17:57.43 | streuner | debian: hey, LTNS |
| 17:58.07 | furrywolf | bbl, food |
| 17:58.14 | debian | !ltns |
| 17:58.14 | dpkg | i heard ltns is long time no see |
| 17:58.26 | debian | streuner: :) |
| 17:58.27 | furrywolf | grep food fridge.txt | wc -l |
| 17:58.28 | furrywolf | 0 |
| 17:58.30 | furrywolf | sigh. :( |
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| 17:58.37 | abrotman | furrywolf: check the freezer |
| 17:58.49 | stouset | Adios, folks. |
| 17:58.51 | furrywolf | abrotman: lol |
| 17:58.53 | furrywolf | bbl. :) |
| 17:58.59 | stouset | furrywolf: I always wanted to be able to grep for socks |
| 17:59.03 | Lee__ | is it kosher to update sources.list to use unstable (currently using testing) and run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:59.05 | furrywolf | lol |
| 17:59.14 | abrotman | Lee__: ask your rabbi |
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| 17:59.22 | Lee__ | could you be my rabbi? |
| 17:59.23 | stouset | Lee__: that's the preferred way of doing it, actually |
| 17:59.29 | Lee__ | stouset: thank you |
| 17:59.29 | abrotman | Lee__: that sounds dirty |
| 17:59.32 | stouset | Lee__: depends, do you know Hebrew? |
| 17:59.36 | Xerex | brb |
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| 17:59.42 | Lee__ | abrotman: only dirty for you |
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| 18:00.43 | abrotman | Lee__: you understand that unstable may break right ? |
| 18:00.54 | Lee__ | of course, that's why it's called unstable |
| 18:01.04 | Lee__ | and not stable or testing |
| 18:01.08 | abrotman | ok .. |
| 18:01.13 | abrotman | some people don't quite grok that |
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| 18:01.21 | Lee__ | some people aren't good at reading |
| 18:01.46 | Souza10 | does anybody know which module I would run for rtl 8009? |
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| 18:02.18 | Stereo | Lee__: maybe they try reading debian's documentation from right to left... :) |
| 18:02.35 | Stereo | no, no |
| 18:02.39 | furrywolf | lol |
| 18:02.42 | Stereo | unstable isn't cool anymore |
| 18:02.53 | Lee__ | damn, what's cool. I have to keep up! |
| 18:02.58 | Stereo | now, cool people run ubuntu or stable |
| 18:03.12 | guru | sarge is all the stable i need |
| 18:03.36 | Souza10 | Does anybody know which module I would run for rtl 8009? |
| 18:03.37 | S4nD3r_ | Where do I find the channel where the "crackers" and" hackers "is on |
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| 18:03.42 | S4nD3r_ | c++ ?? |
| 18:03.45 | scytheman_ | Lee__, install apt-listbugs, it will warn you if there is a bug in the package you are trying to install |
| 18:04.16 | furrywolf | sander: type /quit search hackers to find hacking channels. |
| 18:04.18 | stouset | S4nD3r_: #gentoo, actually |
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| 18:04.37 | Lee__ | scytheman_: thanks but I'm not trying to install one package, I'm trying to create some and get them into the distro eventually. |
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| 18:04.58 | Xerex | back |
| 18:05.03 | scytheman_ | Lee__, oh, mkay :) |
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| 18:06.06 | eob84 | if I am using KDE... and don't have gnome installed |
| 18:06.14 | eob84 | how do I set the GTK theme? |
| 18:06.17 | guru | ug, back to work i go |
| 18:06.22 | guru | is it 6 yet? |
| 18:06.28 | greycat | !time |
| 18:06.28 | dpkg | time is, like, found on http://www.time.com/, or Tue Apr 26 18:06:28 2005 |
| 18:06.33 | amphi | eob84: gtk[2] theme switcher |
| 18:06.35 | seth | Newbie question: If a post tells me that the problem is to create the following in /dev, what would the makedev command look like? It says create '0 c 254 0' and '0raw c 254 1' and 'key c 254 2' |
| 18:06.37 | guru | figures |
| 18:06.53 | guru | it's only 13:06 here |
| 18:07.03 | furrywolf | Tue Apr 26 11:07:01 PDT 2005 |
| 18:07.24 | Souza10 | Does anybody know which module I would run for rtl 8009? I tried ne but it seems to be not working correctly. |
| 18:07.26 | guru | 07:07 GMT |
| 18:07.26 | eob84 | where is that? |
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| 18:07.42 | greycat | 13:06 would be US/Central among others |
| 18:07.49 | guru | yep |
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| 18:07.52 | guru | GMT -0600 |
| 18:08.23 | S4nD3r_ | Where do I find the channel where the "crackers" and" hackers "is on |
| 18:08.25 | S4nD3r_ | c++ ?? |
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| 18:08.44 | guru | S4nD3r_: try #comeheretoaskstupidquestions |
| 18:08.54 | CAiRO | when i get kernel messages like 'hw tcp v4 csum failed', could that indicate a hardware error? |
| 18:08.59 | S4nD3r_ | guru, you are so funny |
| 18:09.04 | guru | i try |
| 18:09.16 | guru | my sarcasm makes many laugh |
| 18:09.20 | amphi | eob84: apt-cache search gtk theme switch |
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| 18:09.38 | appaji | dpkg, tell S4nD3r_ about 1337 |
| 18:09.40 | amphi | S4nD3r_: #plan9 |
| 18:09.51 | greycat | S4nD3r_: #gentoo |
| 18:09.55 | zahod | :) |
| 18:09.59 | guru | greycat: heh, nice |
| 18:10.20 | guru | so is #debian moving to an about channel too? |
| 18:10.27 | Souza10 | Does anybody know which module I would run for rtl 8009? I tried ne but it seems to be not working correctly. |
| 18:10.39 | Delph | guru: why should it? |
| 18:10.42 | guru | Souza10: we saw it the first time you asked, no need for a dupe |
| 18:10.48 | guru | Delph: everything else is |
| 18:10.56 | Delph | guru: no; very specific things are =:) |
| 18:11.08 | guru | ahh |
| 18:11.16 | guru | maybe it's just all of the channels i frequent then :) |
| 18:11.47 | guru | Delph: heh, yup |
| 18:11.59 | greycat | guru: not if we can help it. |
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| 18:12.05 | jcuk | how do i run a shell script? |
| 18:12.06 | guru | i'm on 9 actually |
| 18:12.13 | greycat | jcuk: ./script |
| 18:12.14 | guru | jcuk: rtfm would be a good start |
| 18:12.15 | greycat | jcuk: or sh script |
| 18:12.25 | jcuk | thanks |
| 18:12.26 | greycat | guru: tell them which manual |
| 18:12.33 | guru | man bash |
| 18:12.44 | guru | or sh, csh. tcsh. whatever shell you use |
| 18:13.04 | guru | greycat: toothache is clouding my concentration today :) |
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| 18:13.12 | greycat | it's usually safe to assume bash in here, if they're asking questions *that* basic |
| 18:13.16 | bnoji | Anyone familiar with US customs procedures? |
| 18:13.19 | bnoji | Or Canadian? |
| 18:13.24 | greycat | !win bnoji |
| 18:13.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, bnoji! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:13.33 | greycat | you win the Most Off Topic Question Award! |
| 18:13.47 | guru | heh, that is truly the most random question i have ever seen asked on freenode |
| 18:13.51 | asg | bnoji: I was once asked whether I had cheese, snails, or parrots upon entering the US. |
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| 18:14.08 | greycat | asg: parrots? |
| 18:14.20 | guru | wtf? it's raining outside and the sun is shining brightly |
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| 18:14.23 | asg | greycat: yes, it seems like they make the list of action items up every day |
| 18:14.39 | guru | not a cloud in the sky either |
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| 18:14.56 | greycat | well, the cheese *almost* makes sense, as it's a hotbed of biological growth, and could be a weapon... |
| 18:15.39 | appaji | greycat: parrots have strong beaks, just like F16s :-P |
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| 18:16.28 | eob84 | gtk-theme-switch didn't work |
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| 18:18.04 | asg | budluva: which debian version are you using? |
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| 18:18.11 | budluva | sarge |
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| 18:18.26 | asg | budluva: unrar is in main, rar is in non-free |
| 18:19.00 | budluva | you sure? |
| 18:19.00 | spo0nman | [offtopic] how do i search in-url in google? in-url: /pub/ doesnt work? |
| 18:19.05 | budluva | Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:19.05 | budluva | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 18:19.05 | budluva | is only available from another source |
| 18:19.05 | budluva | E: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
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| 18:19.07 | asg | budluva: unrar may be in contrib |
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| 18:19.23 | budluva | oops, sorry |
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| 18:19.44 | asg | budluva: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=unrar |
| 18:19.53 | greycat | !info unrar sid |
| 18:19.58 | greycat | !info unrar-nonfree sid |
| 18:19.59 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 18:20.00 | dpkg | unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 84 kB, Installed size: 177 kB |
| 18:20.25 | Souza10 | Does anybody know which module I would run for rtl 8009? I tried ne but it seems to be not working correctly. |
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| 18:20.51 | budluva | so do i find it in non-free? |
| 18:20.53 | Lee__ | Souza10: 8139too? |
| 18:20.55 | bnoji | I'm classifying a bunch of stuff with HTS numbers for import. |
| 18:20.57 | idnar | RTL 8009 is NE-2000 compatible, I think |
| 18:21.08 | idnar | can't remember the name of that module offhand, though |
| 18:21.19 | bnoji | ne2k? |
| 18:21.21 | greycat | idnar: is it pci or isa? |
| 18:21.23 | Lee__ | ne2000, perhaps? |
| 18:21.41 | bnoji | i know theres an ne2000pci or ne2kpci |
| 18:21.52 | greycat | ne2k-pci would be for RTL 8029 |
| 18:22.01 | streuner | that's PCI |
| 18:22.03 | greycat | (and a few others) |
| 18:22.04 | phigan | I am doing ipmasqadm autofw -A -r udp 10000 20000 -h 10.x.x.x, but no traffic gets forwarded on the internal interface |
| 18:22.08 | phigan | any ideas? |
| 18:22.13 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 18:22.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen three-legged kittens. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 18:22.27 | idnar | greycat: there are ISA and PCI versions |
| 18:22.28 | Blissex | phigan: consider first reading http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html |
| 18:23.16 | Blissex | phigan: also, 'ipmasqadm ' has been obsolete for several years, unless you are using Woody (same though :->) |
| 18:23.24 | phigan | I am using 2.2 kernel |
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| 18:23.28 | phigan | with ipchains |
| 18:23.41 | phigan | portfw forwards ports fine, but autofw does not |
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| 18:24.23 | phigan | and i need to forward a range |
| 18:24.35 | windowwasher | any easy way to see whether or not one is using stable, testing or unstable |
| 18:24.36 | windowwasher | ? |
| 18:24.43 | greycat | windowwasher: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:24.52 | windowwasher | greycat, 'k. thanks |
| 18:25.09 | asg | windowwasher: since sid now has a new libc6, checking the version of that will tell you also |
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| 18:26.45 | windowwasher | asg: interesting. thanks to you, too |
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| 18:30.03 | greycat | !info libc6 sid |
| 18:30.04 | greycat | !info libc6 sarge |
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| 18:30.11 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-21 (sid), Packaged size: 4786 kB, Installed size: 15556 kB |
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| 18:30.15 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20 (sarge), Packaged size: 4776 kB, Installed size: 15544 kB |
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| 18:30.43 | gully | hi ^^ |
| 18:30.52 | resiak | omghi2u! |
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| 18:31.38 | batman3 | when i compiled my kernel i choise without oss , do i need to recompile kernel or is there easyer way to set up these drivers? FATAL : Module snd_pcm_oss not found |
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| 18:31.54 | ix | aoss :/ |
| 18:31.57 | ix | oss* |
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| 18:32.23 | resiak | batman3: Why are you compiling your own kernel? |
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| 18:34.09 | eob84 | how do I configure ACPI in debian? |
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| 18:34.41 | batman3 | why not |
| 18:35.38 | ghatak | Hi, any one know any application to limit traffic based on process or user? |
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| 18:36.22 | surreal | anyone ever have a problem where xmms will out of nowhere not add files to the playlist |
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| 18:36.25 | surreal | and not play any files |
| 18:36.48 | streuner | surreal: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 18:36.56 | eob84 | no I haven't |
| 18:37.27 | budluva | could someone tell me why k3b only detects my burner/media as 4x? while i have 16x dvd writer and 16x media? |
| 18:37.46 | surreal | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 18:38.07 | surreal | it was working, then i rebooted and files wont add or play |
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| 18:41.15 | streuner | surreal: what does BTS say? |
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| 18:41.37 | green_earz | budluva: have a look at using hdparm for 32 bit and dma for your burner |
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| 18:43.49 | surreal | not familiar with bts, what am i looking for? |
| 18:44.06 | zinx | bugs |
| 18:44.38 | streuner | surreal: Does the soundsystem working without xmms? |
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| 18:45.42 | surreal | yes |
| 18:45.50 | surreal | totem, xine, gaim |
| 18:45.51 | surreal | all work |
| 18:46.03 | surreal | just xmms wont add files like it doesnt have permission but it does |
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| 18:46.19 | streuner | surreal: start xmms in console |
| 18:46.29 | streuner | surreal: and tell us the first error |
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| 18:47.23 | texeira | with wmaker, is it possible to show more than one virtual desktop at once? |
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| 18:48.09 | surreal | phenom@excalibur:~$ xmms& |
| 18:48.10 | surreal | [1] 4584 |
| 18:48.10 | surreal | phenom@excalibur:~$ /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmpg123.so: undefined symbol: xmms_charset_from_utf8 |
| 18:48.10 | surreal | /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libvorbis.so: undefined symbol: xmms_charset_from_utf8 |
| 18:48.10 | surreal | Message: device: default |
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| 18:48.42 | surreal | sorry did youg et that |
| 18:48.50 | onre | !paste |
| 18:48.50 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 18:49.00 | greycat | what did you change? |
| 18:49.12 | abrotman | surreal: instsall libvorbis maybe? |
| 18:49.26 | greycat | abrotman: but libmpg123 is also blowing up.... |
| 18:49.42 | abrotman | hardware failure!!! |
| 18:49.51 | abrotman | run for the hills .. or the beach .. depending where you are now of course |
| 18:49.53 | resiak | !magic hate ball |
| 18:49.57 | dondelelcaro | they're both there, but they're linking against xmms_charset_from_utf8 |
| 18:50.21 | dondelelcaro | this usually means that xmms has been rebuilt with the wrong options, or someone screwed it up. |
| 18:50.25 | p8m | How can I set my firewall rules to start on boot? |
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| 18:50.30 | resiak | !magic hate ball =~ s/udev/udev|utf8/ |
| 18:50.30 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
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| 18:51.17 | streuner | surreal: so check out BTS, if there isn't a solution downgrade that package (/msg dpkg sdn) |
| 18:51.38 | abrotman | p8m: for iptables ? |
| 18:51.54 | greycat | dpkg, magic hate ball =~ s/newbies/newbies|hyoomans/ |
| 18:51.54 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 18:51.59 | dondelelcaro | surreal: what is the output of dpkg -l xmms; and which xmms; ? |
| 18:52.00 | p8m | abrotman: yes |
| 18:52.20 | abrotman | p8m: there's a readme in the doc directory .. he explains why there isn't an initscript .. and how you get it to run at boot time |
| 18:52.25 | streuner | surreal: we need only the version |
| 18:52.36 | p8m | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 18:52.38 | shadowrun | i'm having an in-depth conversation with someone about friday the 13th for nintendo |
| 18:52.40 | shadowrun | thats how bored i am |
| 18:52.47 | sparr_ | is there any way to prevent a mozilla-browser update from overwriting custom chrome that I have installed? |
| 18:53.21 | greycat | sparr_: custom stuff should be ~/.mozilla not in /usr |
| 18:53.29 | surreal | 1.2.10+cvs2005 |
| 18:53.34 | surreal | sorry was on the phone |
| 18:53.39 | streuner | !info xmms sarge |
| 18:53.39 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: it doesn't overwrite custom chrome (unless you've duplicated it). what happens is that the chrome stops being registered. |
| 18:53.45 | dpkg | xmms: (Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.10+cvs20050209-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 2336 kB, Installed size: 6516 kB |
| 18:53.57 | streuner | surreal: the whole version we need |
| 18:53.58 | greycat | surreal: hint: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l xmms |
| 18:53.58 | dondelelcaro | surreal: that's not the full version... |
| 18:54.16 | greycat | dondelelcaro: streuner: dpkg happily truncates by default :)( |
| 18:54.23 | surreal | 1.2.10+cvs20050209-2 |
| 18:54.25 | greycat | that was supposed to be :( |
| 18:54.29 | dondelelcaro | surreal: also, we need the output of which xmms; |
| 18:54.35 | dondelelcaro | greycat: here it doesn't... |
| 18:54.43 | greycat | dondelelcaro: you have uberwide terminals? |
| 18:54.44 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: not addons, replacements. |
| 18:54.48 | surreal | donde: what do you mean? |
| 18:54.54 | sparr_ | greycat: not if its global |
| 18:54.55 | greycat | surreal: which xmms |
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| 18:55.08 | greycat | sparr_: then don't make it global. |
| 18:55.18 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: then replace them in the package itself or divert the chrome files using dpkg-divert |
| 18:55.35 | surreal | ii xmms 1.2.10+cvs20050209-2 Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp, im running woody |
| 18:55.46 | sparr_ | greycat: some things have to be |
| 18:55.52 | streuner | surreal: what did you change, before rebooting? |
| 18:55.55 | greycat | sparr_: see dondelelcaro |
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| 18:56.10 | streuner | surreal: /join #flood |
| 18:56.13 | surreal | nothing i did apt-get update upgrade and dist-upgrade |
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| 18:56.18 | greycat | surreal: you're running *what8? |
| 18:56.38 | greycat | you are sure as hell not running woody and seeing a version number with 2005 in it. |
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| 18:56.58 | PerfDave | !info xmms sid |
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| 18:56.59 | streuner | greycat: he's in #flood now... |
| 18:57.00 | PerfDave | !info xmms sarge |
| 18:57.08 | dpkg | xmms: (Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.10+cvs20050209-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2336 kB, Installed size: 6516 kB |
| 18:57.09 | dpkg | xmms: (Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.10+cvs20050209-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 2336 kB, Installed size: 6516 kB |
| 18:57.17 | greycat | !info xmms woody |
| 18:57.28 | dpkg | xmms: (Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.7-1 (woody), Packaged size: 1449 kB, Installed size: 4053 kB |
| 18:57.53 | sparr_ | the debian installer removing net-base would be a bad thing, right? |
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| 18:58.09 | greycat | sparr_: depends on which version of debian. |
| 18:58.29 | greycat | !info netbase potato |
| 18:58.32 | sgueille | I use woody |
| 18:58.41 | dpkg | netbase: (Basic TCP/IP networking binaries), section base, is standard. Version: 3.18-4 (potato), Packaged size: 527 kB, Installed size: 1171 kB |
| 18:58.43 | Xerex | I changed the setthings under /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to 1024x800 but its not taking effect I am not sure why , any ideas ? |
| 18:58.48 | greycat | !info netbase woody |
| 18:58.55 | dpkg | netbase: (Basic TCP/IP networking system), section base, is important. Version: 4.07 (woody), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 18:59.01 | surreal | ya i really cant figure this out |
| 18:59.07 | surreal | very annoying |
| 18:59.09 | greycat | as you can see, woody's is MUCH smaller, because it's not really a package. |
| 18:59.23 | dondelelcaro | surreal: what is the output of 'which xmms;' |
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| 18:59.37 | surreal | /usr/bin/xmms |
| 18:59.53 | dondelelcaro | surreal: ok, reinstall xmms; then check what the md5sum is of it. |
| 19:00.19 | greycat | dondelelcaro: am I the only one who caught "im running woody" in his previous utterance? |
| 19:00.30 | sgueille | nickserv @sgueille |
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| 19:00.45 | greycat | sgueille: /msg nickserv help |
| 19:00.51 | surreal | i am running woody |
| 19:00.55 | dondelelcaro | greycat: no... but that was a mistake... he's actually running sarge and just doesn't know it |
| 19:00.57 | surreal | using testing packages |
| 19:00.58 | greycat | surreal: you are NOT. |
| 19:01.02 | surreal | hmmm |
| 19:01.03 | greycat | !bobbitt |
| 19:01.04 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto stable systems, you get the same result. |
| 19:01.14 | streuner | surreal: did you upgrade every package yet? |
| 19:01.15 | greycat | hey! who changed it? |
| 19:01.30 | surreal | maybe i am running sarge then in the technical sense |
| 19:01.38 | greycat | dpkg, bobbitt =~ s/stable systems/your woody/ |
| 19:01.38 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 19:01.44 | surreal | yah ive been running testing sources and done apt-get update/upgrade several times |
| 19:01.56 | greycat | surreal: and how's that working for you? |
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| 19:02.03 | surreal | wonderfully |
| 19:02.06 | surreal | until this happened |
| 19:02.07 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: bobbitt =~ s/your woody/your woody system/ |
| 19:02.07 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 19:02.11 | greycat | dondelelcaro: NO! |
| 19:02.21 | greycat | dpkg, bobbitt =~ s/your woody system/your woody/ |
| 19:02.21 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 19:02.36 | Radiance | guys, i have an usb/mp3 in one stick, i believe somehow the firmware got deleted, there is a restore mode by pressing Play for 5 sec, linux detects the device and gives an address to it, but it's not "claimed by any driver" ... any clue how i can go about to solve this ? thanks |
| 19:02.44 | dondelelcaro | greycat: uh, if you want to install stable packages into your own phallus, that's your deal. |
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| 19:02.47 | Xerex | I changed the setthings under /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to 1024x800 but its not taking effect I am not sure why , any ideas ? |
| 19:02.57 | greycat | dondelelcaro: the factoid is supposed to be *funny*... |
| 19:03.06 | greycat | !french fries |
| 19:03.06 | dpkg | french fries are what you get when you cut a potato up into little chunks and boil them in grease. Kinda like the result when you try to install testing or unstable packages on your potato Debian system. |
| 19:03.07 | dondelelcaro | greycat: and it is, even if you say your woody system |
| 19:03.34 | PerfDave | Xerex: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 19:03.38 | PerfDave | Xerex: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
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| 19:04.05 | greycat | we need a good one for sarge too. the best I've thought of so far is "dishonorable discharge", but that just isn't poetic |
| 19:04.05 | Xerex | s joined #debian |
| 19:04.05 | Xerex | <P |
| 19:04.44 | greycat | !viagra |
| 19:04.44 | dpkg | viagra is, like, the nickname for the Woody Tech Support Crew |
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| 19:05.05 | furrywolf | ever see what happens when you put toy soldiers under a big magnifying glass on a hot day? That is what happens to your Sarge system when you try installing unstable packages. |
| 19:05.32 | Xerex | PerfDave: whats that ? |
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| 19:05.48 | PerfDave | !msgdpkg |
| 19:05.49 | dpkg | "/msg" is a command in most IRC clients to send a private message (PM) to a user. dpkg is a bot, who responds to certain keywords with information. If somebody tells you to "/msg dpkg something", type that into your IRC client and dpkg will tell you something in private to keep clutter off the main channel. Make sure you don't leave a space between the start of the line and the "/msg". |
| 19:05.51 | PerfDave | Xerex ^^ |
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| 19:06.28 | greycat | PerfDave: there's also "/msg" |
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| 19:06.50 | furrywolf | bah, no one likes my sarge one? :P |
| 19:06.58 | PerfDave | greycat: I think that one is more informative. |
| 19:07.09 | scorphus | is dpkg an open source based ircbot? may I have access to it's code? |
| 19:07.10 | greycat | well it's longer. |
| 19:07.17 | greycat | scorphus: it's a blootbot |
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| 19:07.24 | Xerex | PerfDave: I did not get it, what shuld I do with that config thing ? |
| 19:07.40 | PerfDave | Xerex: What config thing? Type "/msg dpkg troubleshooting x" into your IRC client. |
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| 19:08.02 | scorphus | greycat: what is a blootbot? |
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| 19:08.05 | PerfDave | mIRC does support /msg, doesn't it? |
| 19:08.06 | greycat | !blootbot |
| 19:08.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 19:09.00 | scorphus | greycat: thanks, I always forget asking dpkg, I must get used to it |
| 19:09.03 | Xerex | PerfDave: well I changed settings under /etc/X11/XF86cONFIG-4 O 1024X800 but it does not seem to be taking effects. any ideas ? |
| 19:09.16 | makj | Hi, I have 1GB RAM in machine and I'd like to say linux, that have only 64MB (use only 64M from 1G)..I try mem=64M in lilo, but not succesfull, any idea ? |
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| 19:09.35 | greycat | makj: that should work if you do it properly. |
| 19:09.37 | PerfDave | Xerex: Yes, I think you should type "/msg dpkg troubleshooting x" into your IRC client, and dpkg will give you handy hints for diagnosing and fixing your problem. |
| 19:09.39 | furrywolf | makj: and you'd like to do this... why? lol |
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| 19:09.57 | Xerex | PerfDave: oh ok |
| 19:10.22 | PerfDave | Xerex: Why the hell else do you think I'd be suggesting you type it??? |
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| 19:10.49 | makj | greycat: I've set in lilo.conf append="mem=64M" |
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| 19:11.05 | greycat | makj: and re-ran lilo? |
| 19:11.14 | makj | greycat: of course |
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| 19:12.50 | johnny06 | good evening |
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| 19:13.55 | mops | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpts:6881:6889 |
| 19:14.05 | mops | what means that dpts? |
| 19:14.09 | mops | destinations ports? |
| 19:14.11 | idnar | mops: yes |
| 19:14.19 | idnar | mops: it specifies the range of ports from 6881 through 6889 |
| 19:14.29 | mops | and when there is dpt:domain? |
| 19:14.44 | furrywolf | 53 |
| 19:14.47 | mops | idnar: 6881 and 6889 included? |
| 19:14.52 | idnar | mops: that's a single port; check in /etc/services to see the numeric port for 'domain' |
| 19:14.59 | greycat | mops: ALWAYS suppress DNS lookups. |
| 19:15.03 | greycat | mops: (and services map lookups) |
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| 19:15.12 | Morrowyn | mornign |
| 19:15.16 | mops | so the dns port, yes? |
| 19:15.21 | furrywolf | always suppress dns lookups? huh? |
| 19:15.29 | greycat | "domain" is the stupid way of writing 53. |
| 19:15.36 | idnar | mops: yes, the endpoints are both included |
| 19:15.43 | mops | idnar: thanks |
| 19:15.44 | greycat | furrywolf: as in "lsof -i -n" vs. "lsof -i", or "netstat -rn" vs. "netsat -r" |
| 19:15.50 | greycat | netstat* |
| 19:15.54 | mops | graycat: why stupid? |
| 19:16.00 | idnar | mops: and as greycat says, you should pass -n to avoid DNS / service lookups |
| 19:16.01 | furrywolf | n/m. I read you wrong. :) |
| 19:16.08 | johnny06 | i am tryin to set up a vsftpd server with difficulties,i have a linksys router & a firewall with ipcop,i am runnin fc3,i forwaded the ports 20 & 21 on the router & ipcop & can not ftp into my fc3 box from a winxp box,i can ftp on localhost from a shell though |
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| 19:16.23 | idnar | mops: because they just tend to confuse the issue, and possibly slow things down due to waiting for DNS lookups |
| 19:16.36 | hackwiz | how change character encoding for bitchx? |
| 19:16.36 | greycat | mops: because it harkens back to the idyllic days when you knew what service was on which port just because Nobody Would Ever Change Them. |
| 19:16.45 | greycat | mops: it's utterly *stupid* in 2005. |
| 19:16.45 | mops | idnar: what -n? I don't understand |
| 19:16.54 | mops | you mean create new chain? |
| 19:17.03 | idnar | mops: no |
| 19:17.12 | idnar | mops: -n means that you'll see 53 instead of domain, and IP addresses instead of hostnames |
| 19:17.15 | mops | so what please? |
| 19:17.23 | idnar | as in _n_umeric |
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| 19:17.53 | mops | aha |
| 19:18.06 | mops | so only by outputting |
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| 19:21.03 | Rydekull | err, greycat, can I speak with you some regarding dpkg? preferably in pm :) |
| 19:21.18 | greycat | no. |
| 19:21.21 | greycat | !msg |
| 19:21.21 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 19:21.31 | Rydekull | greycat: heh, yeah, that's why I asked :) |
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| 19:22.17 | Kerr | hm.. just stumbled over Debian GNU/NetBSD .. is it dead in the water, or finished, or what ? :-/ |
| 19:22.31 | Morrowyn | how do i manually set my eth0 device? |
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| 19:22.52 | furrywolf | morrown: ifconfig eth0 IP |
| 19:23.22 | romainp | ifconfig eth0 IP netmask NETMASK .... man ifconfig :) |
| 19:23.26 | Morrowyn | and where can i set this in a file |
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| 19:23.33 | Rydekull | greycat: Well, anyhow, i was wondering, as many other do, im sure. I like how dpkg has such a huge database of stuff, are one able to get a copy of all the info stored in him? so I can set up a blootbot myself with him in a #debian-channel on another network? Or perhaps if dpkg can sneak over there aswell :P |
| 19:23.40 | Morrowyn | i know ifconfig, but i dont wanna type this every boot |
| 19:23.56 | Morrowyn | where does debian store this? |
| 19:24.00 | romainp | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:24.02 | greycat | Rydekull: /msg dpkg your factoids |
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| 19:24.20 | chealer | Kerr: considering that the last experimental floppies date back to 2002, I'd say you wouldn't want to use it |
| 19:25.18 | Rydekull | greycat: thanks :) |
| 19:25.41 | Morrowyn | thanks :) |
| 19:25.54 | romainp | :) |
| 19:26.15 | Morrowyn | how do i set it to use dhcp ? |
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| 19:26.43 | romainp | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 19:27.07 | Morrowyn | thanks :) im happy now |
| 19:27.34 | yebian | What is used to share files between 2 linux machines? |
| 19:27.44 | Morrowyn | nfs ? |
| 19:27.55 | yebian | How is it used? |
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| 19:29.10 | ia3264 | i just realized i'm a child genius |
| 19:29.13 | ia3264 | problem is i'm 30 |
| 19:29.18 | furrywolf | lol |
| 19:29.38 | Morrowyn | :) |
| 19:29.39 | Cyis | what's wrong with 30? |
| 19:29.48 | Morrowyn | is there life after 30? |
| 19:29.54 | ia3264 | i'm no longer a child |
| 19:30.04 | Cyis | then neither am I :) |
| 19:30.05 | furrywolf | stop making me feel like an old wolfy. :P |
| 19:30.19 | ia3264 | what are you 40 |
| 19:30.44 | Cyis | ia3264: who me? |
| 19:30.54 | ia3264 | fuzzy wuzzy or you |
| 19:30.56 | greycat | Morrowyn: no. |
| 19:31.01 | greycat | Morrowyn: better kill yourself now.. |
| 19:31.07 | Cyis | I'm 30 |
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| 19:31.22 | Cyis | and I have grey hair coming in already... lot of that due to my ex-wife :) |
| 19:31.25 | ia3264 | debian is a mature crowd i guess |
| 19:31.37 | ia3264 | other linux channel i was in was all teens |
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| 19:31.58 | ia3264 | which woulda been nice but they weren't females |
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| 19:32.11 | madsen | Yo! |
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| 19:32.23 | Cyis | hehe... my fiance just tells me make sure they're atleast 21 :) |
| 19:32.25 | madsen | I'm having major problems with some cds I burnt in Nautilus. |
| 19:32.37 | chealer | ia3264: they told you? |
| 19:32.39 | ia3264 | least 18 here |
| 19:32.59 | ia3264 | it was majorly implied, being irc and all |
| 19:33.05 | madsen | They're readable on mac and windows - but not on linux (where I burnt them). |
| 19:33.06 | ia3264 | one or two might have been a girl |
| 19:33.22 | Cyis | ia3264: she knows me... I'd go for 18 if she didn't say something... she prefers they be of drinking age so I don't contribute to the delinquency of minors :) |
| 19:33.41 | Morrowyn | how old is the debian distro? |
| 19:33.43 | ia3264 | 16 year olds lie about being 18 all the time, trust me ;) |
| 19:33.46 | ia3264 | always check id |
| 19:33.49 | Morrowyn | i know slack is 11 years or so |
| 19:33.52 | Cyis | Morrowyn: 10 years IIRC |
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| 19:34.02 | Cyis | I started with SLS and Slackware back in '93 |
| 19:34.02 | Morrowyn | :) |
| 19:34.03 | onre | 10 or more |
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| 19:34.13 | Morrowyn | i started with rh5.2 |
| 19:34.14 | ia3264 | check ID or do 25 to 50 |
| 19:34.20 | Cyis | the days of the 0.99 kernels :) |
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| 19:34.24 | Morrowyn | :) |
| 19:34.24 | onre | i think i installed 0.92 in '96 or so |
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| 19:34.26 | onre | debian, that is |
| 19:34.29 | Morrowyn | must be a lot of pain? |
| 19:34.40 | ia3264 | i started with rh4.2 |
| 19:34.47 | catalyst4000 | wow |
| 19:34.53 | catalyst4000 | I started with rh7.2 |
| 19:34.54 | ecliptik | anyone know of any lightweight media programs similiar to mythtv but plays like movies/mp3s/photos? |
| 19:34.55 | madsen | No CD-reading wizards around? |
| 19:34.58 | ia3264 | which was the only rh i liked |
| 19:35.01 | Cyis | I avoided RedHat but had friends running it so I got experience with it through fixing their mistakes |
| 19:35.06 | chealer | ia3264: maybe they just didn't tell you |
| 19:35.07 | onre | my first install was the last non-elf slackware, 2.something i believe |
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| 19:35.18 | Morrowyn | i never got into rh, i tried suse6.4 for ahwile |
| 19:35.19 | furrywolf | madsen: give more info. i.e. what did you try and what happened? |
| 19:35.32 | madsen | furrywolf: I gave a lot before, but I can give it again. |
| 19:35.33 | ia3264 | rh went in one odd direction |
| 19:35.36 | Cyis | I remember sitting with several hundred floppy disks downloading Slackware disk sets one by one :) |
| 19:35.44 | Morrowyn | then decided that my obscure isdn card and linux werent good friends |
| 19:36.07 | Xerex | how can I find out which X server driver I need for my video card ? |
| 19:36.07 | furrywolf | madsen: you did? :) |
| 19:36.08 | madsen | furrywolf: I burnt some movies onto cds with Nautilus and now I get I/O errors trying to read the cds. |
| 19:36.08 | Morrowyn | got into linux with slack8.1 again :) |
| 19:36.08 | zinx | Cyis: i remember downloading the base set, then doing a network install of the rest... :/ |
| 19:36.09 | madsen | furrywolf: But on Mac and Windows it appears to work... |
| 19:36.10 | Morrowyn | lol |
| 19:36.16 | Cyis | zinx: I downloaded the whole thing :) |
| 19:36.17 | furrywolf | you didn't say I/O errors before. |
| 19:36.25 | madsen | furrywolf: true :) |
| 19:36.33 | Cyis | I've still got some of the floppies but they don't have Slack on them any more :) |
| 19:36.40 | zinx | Cyis: you're like one of those guys who downloads all 100 of the sarge CDs |
| 19:36.42 | furrywolf | at the same time you're getting IO errors, is it peggint the cpu at 100% and slowing down the box? :) |
| 19:36.47 | Cyis | 'course now most of my machines don't even have floppy drives |
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| 19:37.01 | ia3264 | my first linux install was scary. all of rh was on one cd back then and i had to uninstall win98 and try to install linux on that machine, turned out fine and it was 100% better than crashin in win98 all the time |
| 19:37.01 | madsen | furrywolf: let me check (it happens when mounting). |
| 19:37.02 | Cyis | zinx: nah.. I jigdo disc #1 and that's it :) |
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| 19:37.24 | Cyis | zinx: I was working with Slack back when I was 18 |
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| 19:37.38 | zinx | Cyis: haw, i was 15 or 16 or so |
| 19:37.40 | madsen | furrywolf: Nope - nothing. |
| 19:37.40 | ia3264 | problem was most of redhat's special little X apps were broken |
| 19:38.04 | ia3264 | so you ended up having to use the standard commands anyway which made redhat's unique functionality pointless |
| 19:38.11 | zinx | Cyis: hasn't been that long, probably '97 or such |
| 19:38.12 | Cyis | zinx: I got a late start... parents wouldn't have a computer in the house, let alone one with a modem... |
| 19:38.13 | catalyst4000 | I just switched from Fedora, to Debian... I was all rh from 7.2 to FC3 |
| 19:38.29 | Cyis | had to do most of my Linux learning by guinea pigging my friends computers or the school library |
| 19:38.32 | catalyst4000 | crazy crazy |
| 19:38.32 | zinx | Cyis: first internet access i had was in '97 :/ |
| 19:38.35 | Xerex | PerfDave are you around ? |
| 19:38.44 | zinx | Cyis: man pages and IRC :P~ |
| 19:38.48 | onre | i've used debian since 0.92 or so, though there have been some pauses when i haven't had a computer to run it on |
| 19:39.01 | catalyst4000 | my first internet access was in '92 on a Mac with a program called Microphone (i believe) |
| 19:39.03 | Cyis | heck by '97 I was running a small IRC network :) |
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| 19:39.16 | ia3264 | 0.92? musta been the early 90s? |
| 19:39.18 | zinx | Cyis: hehe, i didn't have anything before then |
| 19:39.29 | ia3264 | i think debian 2.0 was out when i started |
| 19:39.31 | abrotman | i just recently gave away my first computer .. Apple //e .. yay couplers! |
| 19:39.32 | onre | Cyis haha, me too, actually :P |
| 19:39.34 | alexscott | plop |
| 19:39.40 | ia3264 | but i didnt use it |
| 19:39.43 | Cyis | zinx: I had internet through college until I drop'd out in '96 then had to get a job so I could afford unlimited dial-up |
| 19:39.52 | ia3264 | er no |
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| 19:40.40 | ia3264 | yeah i still have my "Official" debian 2.0 i386 binary cd |
| 19:40.41 | Cyis | if my employer would allow me a block of IP addresses and permission to place a server or two here in the server room at work I'd do that.... have 1Gbps dark fiber connection to the backbone router :) |
| 19:41.09 | surreal | ok ya this is annoying |
| 19:41.18 | surreal | beepmp works fine but xmms just wants to fuck up |
| 19:42.18 | JohnnyST | About journal_data mode in ext3 is it possible to corrupt the data on the disk? |
| 19:42.23 | catalyst4000 | Cyis: who is your employer? |
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| 19:42.51 | abrotman | JohnnyST: the journal or actual data? |
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| 19:45.25 | Xerex | how can I find out which X server driver I need for my video card ? |
| 19:45.36 | penguin | Is Sarge frozen yet? |
| 19:45.42 | greycat | ia3264: up until earlier this year (when I blanked it for reuse), I still had a slink (debian 2.1) install/rescue floppy. |
| 19:45.45 | valdyn | Xerex: lspci |
| 19:45.59 | streuner1 | Xerex: what videocard do you use? |
| 19:46.19 | ia3264 | i feel old school but i'm not |
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| 19:46.28 | ia3264 | time just flies |
| 19:46.51 | ia3264 | at least i refuse to feel experienced since i still suck :) and that would be a travesty |
| 19:46.52 | mysurfguide | my X got frozen every time i logged out in 2.4 , turned out being similair incidents with others that were running Nvidia graphic cards. |
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| 19:47.00 | mysurfguide | solved for me once i upgraded to kernel 2.6 |
| 19:47.37 | abrotman | penguin: /topic |
| 19:47.46 | Xerex | streuner1 |
| 19:48.00 | Xerex | streuner1: its an ATI 128 MB, used on a laptop |
| 19:48.05 | furrywolf | brb |
| 19:48.16 | abrotman | Xerex: need more specifics |
| 19:48.17 | ia3264 | my ignorance is unparalleled |
| 19:48.24 | abrotman | Xerex: do you know which ATI card? |
| 19:48.30 | Xerex | ya one second |
| 19:48.34 | streuner1 | Xerex: did you check linux-laptop.net ? |
| 19:48.40 | hikenboot | anyone know any graphical keyboard configuration/assignment programs for KDE? |
| 19:48.54 | abrotman | #kde might |
| 19:48.54 | streuner1 | !keymaps |
| 19:48.57 | Xerex | its the ATI RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] |
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| 19:49.15 | streuner1 | Xerex: /msg dpkg ati |
| 19:49.30 | valdyn | that might work with the "radeon" driver, no? |
| 19:49.31 | streuner1 | !keymap |
| 19:49.32 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
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| 19:49.46 | streuner1 | yes |
| 19:49.47 | amphi | Xerex: FWIW, the radeon driver works here on a ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 19:50.00 | abrotman | valdyn: better to ask #ati or #dri |
| 19:50.05 | PerfDave | !tell Xerex -about msg |
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| 19:50.22 | Xerex | amphi: I dont have radeon as one of the option |
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| 19:50.26 | hikenboot | thanks streuner1 |
| 19:50.34 | hikenboot | thaks dpkg |
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| 19:50.37 | greycat | Xerex: "ati" does it. |
| 19:50.39 | Xerex | I am doing an xserver-xfree86 configuration |
| 19:50.50 | greycat | Xerex: if that doesn't work in sarge, then you'll need to try fglrx (good luck) |
| 19:51.00 | Xerex | and its asking me to select the Desired X server driver |
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| 19:51.48 | Xerex | well all I want is to change the resolution to 1024x800 and I did so under /etc/X11/XF86Config but it does not seem to be taking effects |
| 19:52.33 | valdyn | Xerex: try 1024x768 or, make a modeline for 1024x800 |
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| 19:52.42 | PerfDave | Xerex: "/msg dpkg x md5sum", as I told you 40 minutes ago. If you've hand-edited your X config file then dpkg-reconfigure will have *no* effect. |
| 19:52.50 | Xerex | valdyn: whats modeline |
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| 19:53.08 | Xerex | PerfDave> I checked that laready |
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| 19:53.24 | valdyn | Xerex: read what PerfDave said and dont _ever_ edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 manually before you googled that out.. |
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| 19:53.56 | Xerex | valdyn: I always edited XF86Config with no problems, not sure why its not working on Sarge |
| 19:54.24 | valdyn | Xerex: editing works, using dpkg-reconfigure on edited config files does not |
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| 19:54.43 | valdyn | Xerex: unless you follow what PerfDave said naturally |
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| 19:55.41 | kbs | having a problem seeing a USB floppy on debian testing, 2.4.27-2-686-smp kernel. The error from dmesg is "devfs_register(0u1440): could not append to parent, err: -17" |
| 19:55.59 | valdyn | Xerex: certainly choosing 1024x800 works on no linux distro at all w/o adding a modeline for it. |
| 19:56.16 | Xerex | valdyn: what do you mean by modeline ? |
| 19:56.18 | kbs | I see the following from lsusb | grep -i floppy: "Bus 004 Device 005: ID 0644:0000 TEAC Corp. Floppy" |
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| 19:56.53 | valdyn | Xerex: google it, search it in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, im not going to explain details.. |
| 19:57.05 | Xerex | valdyn |
| 19:57.08 | MikeCamel | , folks. Desperate to fine wine, wine-utils and libwine version 0.0.20041101-1 |
| 19:57.14 | MikeCamel | any ideas where? |
| 19:57.17 | Xerex | : u men adding it manually under the display subsection ? |
| 19:57.29 | valdyn | !tell MikeCamel about sdn |
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| 19:58.14 | valdyn | Xerex: why dont you just use a standard resolution? |
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| 19:58.48 | shingouz | Xerex: just do what PerfDave tod you ages ago, change the resolution to the standard resolution instead of the 1024x800 you try to use or google up onm modelines. modelines are not for the faint hearted though |
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| 19:59.35 | Xerex | shingouz> well I got that wide screen LCD |
| 19:59.53 | kbs | woop. found my mistake. usb floppy shows up as /dev/sdb, not /dev/fd0 :-) |
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| 20:00.08 | shingouz | Xerex: if you really need the special resolution, google the frigging modelines up then |
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| 20:00.24 | shingouz | Xerex: also /msg dpkg laptop |
| 20:00.29 | Xerex | ait |
| 20:00.31 | Xerex | thanks |
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| 20:03.00 | furinka | Hi, I have 2 same HW machines - one with sarge and one sid. I've compiled 2.6.11 kernel and on sid machine no problem, but on sarge is not used swap space (when high load). Is swap space maintained only by kernel, but also depends on software (sarge/sid) ? |
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| 20:04.41 | humbolt | It it the first time I am messing with SNMP. I am trying to setup cacti to log the traffic from the cisco router. there is a snmptrap defied on the router, so I guess I have to configure my box to receive the data, the router is sending constantely, right? how do I do that, whatsoftware to use? |
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| 20:06.52 | valdyn | furinka: only be the kernel ( once its "activated" ) |
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| 20:08.32 | furinka | has anyone working sarge+2.6.11.x ? |
| 20:09.01 | chealer | yes |
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| 20:09.05 | valdyn | furinka: type "free", paste the last 2 lines |
| 20:09.10 | anhi | sid/2.6.11 |
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| 20:09.31 | Becca | I don't know if this is a stupid question or not, but I've checked google and I still can't figure it out, but how can I tell if the serial port I just installed onto my motherboard is working or not? |
| 20:09.37 | mrbigcz | when a samba client is winXP uploads a big file( > 700MB) to linux server, the server always reboot |
| 20:09.46 | makj | valdyn: -/+ buffers/cache: 113268 792204 |
| 20:09.53 | makj | valdyn:Swap: 1951856 0 1951856 |
| 20:09.56 | ia3264 | there are no stupid questions |
| 20:09.59 | mrbigcz | Is there any body had the same problem? |
| 20:10.27 | mrbigcz | My samba version is 3.0.10 |
| 20:10.34 | ia3264 | there are stupidly formed questions though :p |
| 20:10.43 | valdyn | makj: i asked furinka. |
| 20:11.02 | chealer | mrbigcz: hopefully not |
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| 20:11.18 | underdog | ia3264: when i have a windows xp box uploading a file > 700mb to my box (via samba), the samba daemon reboots |
| 20:11.20 | makj | valdyn: eh, sorry, I have same problem as furinka.. |
| 20:11.21 | underdog | like it better? :) |
| 20:11.31 | valdyn | makj: most of your ram is free, sure no swap is used |
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| 20:11.47 | Becca | ia3264, Heh. Well, All I know is that I ripped into the guys of my computer, installed a serial port, and beyond that, I'm clueless. I've set up my XFree86 stuff, but I don't know how to identify which /dev/ttyS* whatever to use, or if one of them even is recognized as the serial port... |
| 20:11.48 | ia3264 | =p |
| 20:11.55 | chealer | wuhu, steve langasek foud time to package samba 3.0.14 :) |
| 20:12.10 | xpato | i need a tool to benmarch a filesystem |
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| 20:12.28 | Thorrn4 | Hello, I am very new to Linux and I am considering to another distro of Linux, perferable a Debian based distro (which I played around with). I tried Mepis and Ubuntu, but they both had problems for me; what else might I be able to try? Even if it isnt a Debian Distro, what other Linux Distros are for people that have recently switched? |
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| 20:12.40 | valdyn | makj: or a little more precise, most of your ram is not allocated by applications, but only used as buffer / cache |
| 20:12.48 | greycat | Thorrn4: Debian. |
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| 20:12.53 | underdog | Thorrn4: mangina :P |
| 20:12.58 | simonrvn | chealer: nmu, or he's the maint? |
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| 20:13.10 | chealer | simonrvn: he's a maintainer |
| 20:13.22 | Xerex | ok guys I got it working from an old XF backup file that I had |
| 20:13.25 | ia3264 | people here tend to favor debian for some reason |
| 20:13.34 | wwalker | what program do I run to configure X under Sarge? |
| 20:13.35 | simonrvn | yes, i know he is, but is he that package's maint? |
| 20:13.39 | Thorrn4 | underdog, what is Mangina? Ive never heard of it |
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| 20:14.07 | ia3264 | heart disease or soemthing |
| 20:14.16 | simonrvn | nm :) |
| 20:14.28 | keenan | Thorrn4: what went wrong with ubuntu? that's what i would have recommended |
| 20:14.36 | chealer | simonrvn: he's the comaint |
| 20:14.37 | keenan | Thorrn4: they have a new version out, you know |
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| 20:14.43 | ia3264 | a male vagaina? |
| 20:14.54 | underdog | ia3264: mandriva or what's his name |
| 20:14.56 | simonrvn | !maint samba |
| 20:15.04 | dpkg | samba: Eloy A. Paris <peloy@debian.org> |
| 20:15.05 | Thorrn4 | new version of what keenan? |
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| 20:15.12 | keenan | ubuntu |
| 20:15.19 | Kerr | err |
| 20:15.20 | chealer | heh, still 229 bugs against samba |
| 20:15.30 | peterS | in practice, vorlon helps maintain samba too |
| 20:15.37 | simonrvn | ah ok |
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| 20:15.43 | peterS | (he used to be semi-upstream) |
| 20:15.50 | chealer | yeah, incredible when he's being the RM |
| 20:15.56 | Kerr | i'm being told wrong fs type when trying to mount my mp3 player , i have /dev/sda /home/pen vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0 in fstab ... what am i doing wrong? |
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| 20:16.17 | amphi | Kerr: /dev/sda1 perhaps |
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| 20:16.28 | greycat | Kerr: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 20:16.32 | xpato | where i can find tool to benmarch a filesystem |
| 20:16.36 | Becca | Can someone help me with a serial port issue? |
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| 20:17.21 | peterS | depends on the serial port issue |
| 20:17.23 | furinka | valdyn: -/+ buffers/cache: 171776 733696; Swap: 1844556 0 1844556 |
| 20:17.55 | Kerr | geh! |
| 20:18.00 | Kerr | fs type fat16 not supported by kernel |
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| 20:18.18 | peterS | Kerr: call it 'vfat' |
| 20:18.19 | mrbigcz | underdog: not samba deamon reboots, the server reboots |
| 20:18.24 | valdyn | furinka: your applications are using ~171mb of your 1gb ram total. it does make sense that no swap is used.. |
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| 20:18.46 | Kerr | vfat didn't work. |
| 20:18.53 | xerophyte_ | I got intel xeon processor and 2.6.11-7 kernel and i have compiled SMP and put 4 for number processor .. when i reboot the box with my own kernel i am getting only 1 cpu when i do cat /proc/cpuinfo .. does anybody how can i get other ones to dispplay |
| 20:19.17 | Kerr | says wrong fstype, for vfat |
| 20:19.18 | valdyn | furinka: 733696 = kbyte used as buffer / cache, all that is available for applications, if they need it |
| 20:19.19 | peterS | Kerr: then compile your kernel with vfat support, or use a debian kernel image. debian kernels include the 'vfat' module |
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| 20:19.29 | Kerr | i have vfat support |
| 20:19.31 | greycat | Kerr: what did fdisk say? |
| 20:19.34 | Kerr | i've just used my camera. |
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| 20:20.07 | shakparl | is there snmpwalk for debian |
| 20:20.14 | shakparl | i just apt-get install 'd snmpd |
| 20:20.17 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:20.22 | PerfDave | shakparl: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:20.34 | chealer | !tell furinka about msg |
| 20:20.36 | raf256 | how can I create multipart archive? bz2 tgz zip or rar? |
| 20:20.52 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.57 | tarzeau | raf256: you can split archives |
| 20:20.59 | Kerr | ah |
| 20:21.01 | Kerr | sda1 |
| 20:21.26 | peterS | raf256: let's start with *why* you want a multi-part archive. for most purposes you can just use 'split'. |
| 20:21.33 | tarzeau | raf256: you can use multiple tapes with tar |
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| 20:21.48 | tarzeau | raf256: do you have a tape drive? |
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| 20:22.23 | borius | anyone from Vermont? |
| 20:22.29 | tarzeau | !dff |
| 20:22.29 | dpkg | debian friend finder: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or #debian-worldmap |
| 20:22.50 | furinka | valdyn: now I see on another machine, where I today set 2.6.11.x same "problem".. -/+ buffers/cache: 244032 271424; Swap: 1951736 0 1951736 |
| 20:23.01 | borius | hehe, I'm not from Vermont, just need to find someone who can write an article about their gun laws :) |
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| 20:23.22 | peterS | borius: please don't abuse this channel just because it's got a lot of people in it |
| 20:23.22 | autojack | hmm maybe dff can find me a girlfriend. |
| 20:23.29 | valdyn | furinka: why a problem? |
| 20:23.37 | borius | peterS: wilco |
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| 20:24.01 | valdyn | furinka: swapping out is only done when its useful, not simply b/c it could be done |
| 20:24.02 | resiak | !be group theory barbie |
| 20:24.04 | resiak | :( |
| 20:24.32 | simonrvn | !be a group theory barbie |
| 20:24.33 | dpkg | Aww, group theory is hard! Let's go shopping, simonrvn |
| 20:24.39 | tarzeau | autojack: hardly, of 5000, there's not even 1% of women |
| 20:24.39 | peterS | I wonder why Becca never asked her question |
| 20:24.42 | wwalker | what program do I run to configure X under Sarge? |
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| 20:24.45 | furinka | valdyn: it's proxy server and when was there 2.4.x kernel and 2.6.8 swap was always used (only 512M RAM)..now with 2.6.11.7 no swap used ..so it's strange (also one app give segfault) |
| 20:24.47 | tarzeau | autojack: you're more likely to find one in a lesbian bar! |
| 20:24.54 | autojack | hahaha |
| 20:24.56 | drac | !drxx wwalker |
| 20:24.56 | dpkg | wwalker: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 20:25.06 | resiak | simonrvn: :) |
| 20:25.10 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:25.27 | autojack | anyone have any experience with python in debian? I'm trying to run a specific python app and it's complaining about locale problems. |
| 20:25.31 | autojack | the author isn't sure why. |
| 20:25.38 | valdyn | furinka: well, that segfault might be caused by whatever, i cant tell you. The memory managment subsystem was changed between 2.4 and 2.6 so different behaviour is no surprise. doesnt mean its a problem yet |
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| 20:27.42 | Xerex | in the console, how can I make tings colored, that is, directories, files and stuff like that ?? |
| 20:27.52 | resiak | !ls colours |
| 20:27.56 | resiak | !lscolours |
| 20:28.00 | resiak | :| |
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| 20:28.11 | greycat | !listkeys lscol |
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| 20:28.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'lscol' by key (1): lscolor. |
| 20:28.26 | resiak | Bah, someone "fixed" the spelling. |
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| 20:28.50 | jaxxan | hey ya'll |
| 20:28.53 | furinka | valdyn: I've said, that I also used 2.6.8 (and of course 2.6.7 ..etc), now I upgraded to 2.6.11.x some machines and on 2 machines, where was always swap space used is now no swap used ..so it's strange (segfaulting is awstats - memory wolf) so probably problem is with swap.. |
| 20:29.30 | raf256 | tarzeau: I want to split to have several smaller files |
| 20:29.35 | raf256 | to upload them one by one to FTP |
| 20:29.35 | Xerex | resiak: ???? |
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| 20:29.48 | tarzeau | raf256: that's not the reason, that's the effect |
| 20:29.53 | wwalker | dpkg thx, that fixed it. |
| 20:29.54 | tarzeau | ahh to uplolad them one by one... |
| 20:29.55 | raf256 | tarzeau: omfg |
| 20:30.03 | tarzeau | raf256: but you know lftp and resumed uploads? |
| 20:30.09 | raf256 | tarzeau: because connection can breake duroing down/up loading one 100 mb file |
| 20:30.19 | resiak | Xerex: !!!!! |
| 20:30.27 | tarzeau | yeahsure, and who'd put it together on the remote end if you've only got ftp access? |
| 20:30.28 | raf256 | tarzeau: Im nost shure do my client and/or server support that |
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| 20:30.32 | tarzeau | raf256: you really want to check lftp |
| 20:30.38 | raf256 | tarzeau: grr |
| 20:30.40 | tarzeau | raf256: it probably does, try |
| 20:30.40 | resiak | Xerex: /msg dpkg lscolor |
| 20:30.59 | Xerex | resiak: lol, u know when u open a console and you get files, dirs, and scripts in diferent colors, thats all I am trying to do |
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| 20:31.16 | wooden | hi |
| 20:31.27 | Accipiter | LOAD /home/franam/.xchat2/scripts/identify_and_join.tcl |
| 20:32.11 | resiak | Xerex: lol i know lolololol^W^W^W^W Why not do what I told you to and you'll be answered. |
| 20:32.17 | Essobi | lol |
| 20:32.29 | Xerex | resiak: thanks man |
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| 20:32.41 | Essobi | ^H looks more believable. :) |
| 20:32.44 | valdyn | furinka: i cant debug a kernel or program for you. I can tell you that 2.6.11 works fine for me on sarge, and that you could try a tool like "stress" ( or 'vi /dev/hda' or whatever ) to put your system under load and see how the vm swaps out |
| 20:32.50 | wwalker | Where do I configure X so that it listens on port 6000, (yes I understand the security implications, no ssh Xforwarding won't work in this case) |
| 20:32.51 | wooden | where is the black theme from my xchat? :) |
| 20:32.54 | wooden | hate the white |
| 20:33.02 | resiak | Essobi: I actually use ^W, unlike ^H |
| 20:33.15 | Essobi | wooden F*** whitey. |
| 20:33.18 | Essobi | Mehe. |
| 20:33.27 | Essobi | resiak You two huh? |
| 20:33.31 | abrotman | too |
| 20:33.38 | Essobi | Too, even. |
| 20:33.38 | Essobi | :P |
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| 20:33.53 | resiak | Essobi: Hell, I use Emacs keybindings in GTK as well |
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| 20:34.35 | wooden | is the black theme removed now in xchat?? |
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| 20:34.58 | resiak | wooden: #xchat ? |
| 20:35.07 | wooden | kk :) |
| 20:35.38 | Essobi | resiak Nice. :) |
| 20:36.09 | Essobi | I'm all about the emacs keybindings.. I get so aggravated when apps have broken support.. it's worse then no support. |
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| 20:37.25 | abrotman | wooden: i have it in sarge |
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| 20:38.02 | wooden | ive sarge too but cant find it |
| 20:38.04 | jaxxan | anyone know where to find a backport of postfix 2.2.2 for woody ? |
| 20:38.05 | wooden | new install |
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| 20:38.08 | wooden | hdd dead |
| 20:38.14 | abrotman | jaxxan: apt-get.org or backports.org |
| 20:38.22 | jaxxan | thanks! |
| 20:38.25 | abrotman | wooden: same here .. stupid windows ate my laptop |
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| 20:38.41 | relbs | are there any apt sources for non-free packages like acrobat reader, java, etc.? I know those specific pkgs are not distributable in entirety, but maybe sources that provide installer packages that automatically retrieve and install? |
| 20:38.46 | Essobi | So umm.. Why did the qmail source packages get killed? |
| 20:38.50 | greycat | !java |
| 20:38.50 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 20:38.51 | abrotman | wooden: did you install xchat-common and all the other ones ? |
| 20:38.53 | jaxxan | i fired windows and went for a mac |
| 20:38.56 | drac | !tell Pamela_An about away |
| 20:38.59 | merlin__ | does someone know how to set just one debconf value from the command line? |
| 20:39.00 | abrotman | Essobi: because it's a failure as an MTA ? |
| 20:39.02 | valdyn | !tell relbs about marillat |
| 20:39.05 | merlin__ | echo foo/bar | debconf-set-selection will delete everything :) |
| 20:39.08 | valdyn | !tell relbs about java-package |
| 20:39.08 | Xerex | cool |
| 20:39.19 | abrotman | drac: come on .. it's a spam bot .. jeez |
| 20:39.22 | relbs | thanks! |
| 20:39.27 | abrotman | Pamela_An: go away |
| 20:39.28 | drac | abrotman: really? |
| 20:39.32 | drac | heh. |
| 20:39.35 | Essobi | abrotman Psssh. I like qmail-ldap. |
| 20:39.41 | abrotman | drac: take a guess ... windows .exe file ? |
| 20:39.41 | underdog | Pamela_An: !blow me |
| 20:39.46 | underdog | :/ |
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| 20:39.57 | drac | aha. |
| 20:40.14 | abrotman | drac: and Pamela Anderson ? |
| 20:40.24 | drac | pamela could be in love with tux? |
| 20:40.49 | Pamela_An | fuck me! |
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| 20:40.50 | Pamela_An | drac |
| 20:40.51 | Pamela_An | :) |
| 20:40.53 | greycat | http://impact.ba/~utopia/ looks like some non-English /. |
| 20:40.59 | abrotman | but .exe ? |
| 20:41.04 | Essobi | engrish? |
| 20:41.13 | drac | Pamela_An: can I run your .exe? |
| 20:41.22 | drac | like, without an protection |
| 20:41.30 | greycat | Essobi: more like Turkrish |
| 20:41.42 | simonrvn | @ba |
| 20:41.43 | ravenbird | hmm... ba is Bosnia & Herzegovina |
| 20:41.55 | greycat | or some other east-european thing |
| 20:42.11 | abrotman | oh come on |
| 20:42.12 | greycat | Pamela_An: if you plan to stay here, disable that away script. |
| 20:42.18 | abrotman | Pamela_An: don't you love me anymore ? |
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| 20:42.23 | merlin__ | does anyone know how to feed random values in debconf? |
| 20:42.24 | xerophyte_ | does anybody know how can i get 2 cpu in the /proc/cpuinfo i have enabled the SMP and number processor to 4 but still getting one processor |
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| 20:42.31 | Essobi | Hey baby. |
| 20:42.42 | Robot101 | greycat: that looks more like propogating a virus :D |
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| 20:42.54 | Essobi | Pamela_An: Wanna see my hard disk? |
| 20:42.59 | abrotman | greycat: kill her .. for the sake of humanity! |
| 20:43.09 | abrotman | no more Stacked on fox .. |
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| 20:43.26 | mnelson | I have a question about my mouse and Debian. can anyone help? |
| 20:43.33 | furrywolf | got sick of the mower handle breaking.... http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/mowerhandle.jpg <== how's that fix look? :) |
| 20:43.40 | crazed1980 | I donwloaded the minimal cd to install debian on my pc. It doesn't seem to boot. I noticed that there is an install directory on the cd. Do i have to create another cd with that folder as the root? |
| 20:43.41 | greycat | can I kill the ask-to-askers first? |
| 20:43.45 | beardy | mnelson: ask your question, maybe someone can |
| 20:43.48 | sparr_ | mnelson: shhh, we are busy reading your mind. if you say anything else we wont be able to figure out what your question is. |
| 20:44.01 | Pamela_An | http://impact.ba/~utopia/PamelaAnderson.exe |
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| 20:44.09 | mnelson | lol ... I just got a KVM switch. it connects to my pc via USB |
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| 20:44.20 | mnelson | USB keyboard works fine |
| 20:44.26 | mnelson | USB mouse works fine, but not through the KVM |
| 20:44.34 | abrotman | greycat: i think you can |
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| 20:44.42 | abrotman | greycat: you have the power! |
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| 20:44.56 | mnelson | I have two linux boxes. Slackware with x.org and "Auto" protocol also works fine w/ mouse through KVM |
| 20:45.05 | mnelson | Debian doesn't. :S |
| 20:45.10 | saloxin | crazed1980: set bios to boot from cdrom? |
| 20:45.26 | greycat | mnelson: so change the debian XF86Config-4 to match the slackware one |
| 20:45.27 | crazed1980 | saloxin: yup did that |
| 20:45.31 | humbolt | what to type to see what tcp connections are opened at the moment? |
| 20:45.36 | abrotman | netstat ? |
| 20:45.37 | greycat | humbolt: netstat -an |
| 20:45.40 | k-dog | humbolt: netstat |
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| 20:45.42 | mnelson | Tried. it doesn't seem to have the "Auto" protocol. |
| 20:45.48 | abrotman | k-dog: give me torrent!! |
| 20:45.49 | Essobi | strings PamelaAnderson.exe | grep -i kernel32.dcc :) |
| 20:45.53 | k-dog | humbolt: ...or lsof with stuff. |
| 20:45.54 | greycat | mnelson: it does if you fucking type "Auto" in the file! |
| 20:45.54 | k-dog | abrotman: ?? |
| 20:45.57 | abrotman | nm |
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| 20:46.14 | tims | mnelson: I have the same setup and I have no problems on my x86 box. However, on my Dual G4 if the keyboard is not "plugged in" ie not the active console on boot I can have problems. |
| 20:46.21 | saloxin | crazed1980: check md5sum of cd to see it's integrity |
| 20:46.24 | mnelson | greycat, I tried that and mouse didn't move at all. with "ImPS/2" it moves, but axes are all screwed up |
| 20:46.32 | crazed1980 | saloxin: there seems to be no boot file in the root of the cd, justin the /intall/ folder i guess i have to make a new cd with that folder as the root? |
| 20:46.39 | greycat | mnelson: is this sarge? |
| 20:46.41 | humbolt | I do not want to see the unix sockets?! how can I achieve that? |
| 20:46.46 | humbolt | with netstat |
| 20:46.47 | greycat | humbolt: man netstat |
| 20:46.50 | abrotman | humbolt: man netstat |
| 20:46.53 | abrotman | stop being lazy ? |
| 20:46.56 | Essobi | lol |
| 20:46.59 | FieldySnuts | !annoy humbolt |
| 20:47.00 | abrotman | or .. grep? !!! |
| 20:47.01 | mnelson | greycat, 2.4 unstable |
| 20:47.04 | FieldySnuts | hrm |
| 20:47.04 | Essobi | Damn.. that's my problem. |
| 20:47.08 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: irritate humbolt |
| 20:47.09 | dpkg | humbolt: wenas how can I make my libranet werkz U FUX0RZ |
| 20:47.10 | saloxin | crazed1980: which iso you using? |
| 20:47.10 | Essobi | Damn netstats. |
| 20:47.16 | humbolt | no, man netstat does something else, I am pretty sure, hihi. |
| 20:47.17 | Essobi | DAMN LAZY ME! |
| 20:47.20 | FieldySnuts | libranet heh |
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| 20:47.37 | crazed1980 | saloxin: woody-i386-1.iso |
| 20:47.42 | k-dog | abrotman: What're you smoking? |
| 20:47.53 | Essobi | dpkg ALLRBAZEZR BELONGING @ UZ |
| 20:47.54 | mnelson | with "ImPS/2", horizontal is vertical, and I can only move horizontally by holding down button 1 :S |
| 20:48.07 | Essobi | mnelson Nice. |
| 20:48.10 | k-dog | mnelson: Turn your head sideways. |
| 20:48.15 | saloxin | should just work. has worked for me. might be some options in your burning program? |
| 20:48.17 | Essobi | Think of it as a "security" feature. |
| 20:48.20 | abrotman | k-dog: salmon |
| 20:48.23 | mnelson | lol |
| 20:49.10 | k-dog | abrotman: Share! |
| 20:49.10 | drac | mnelson: Use ExplorerPS/2 instead. |
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| 20:49.10 | abrotman | k-dog: get your own .. you .. you .. west coaster! |
| 20:49.10 | mnelson | drac, let me try |
| 20:49.11 | crazed1980 | saloxin: hmm iburned it with fireburner |
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| 20:49.18 | k-dog | abrotman: Quite. |
| 20:49.27 | k-dog | abrotman: It's a fave nosh though. |
| 20:49.31 | crazed1980 | saloxin: ill try it on another pc for fun |
| 20:49.31 | mnelson | drac, same result :( |
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| 20:49.47 | drac | mnelson: apt-get remove gpm, if you have it. |
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| 20:50.22 | mnelson | drac, I don't have it |
| 20:50.34 | drac | doh |
| 20:51.01 | saloxin | crazed1980: I don't know fireburner.. try http://www.linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/howtoburn.html or google it :-) |
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| 20:51.09 | abrotman | k-dog: yeah .. i wish it was better on my end |
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| 20:51.15 | crazed1980 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.21 | abrotman | how about don't burn an iso at 52x ? |
| 20:51.22 | Solet | can some one walk me through compiling and loading the acx100 driver module? i have no idea where to start and the readme left me even more confused |
| 20:51.24 | kod-e | hello everybody |
| 20:51.43 | saloxin | crazed1980: sarge - unless it should be a server |
| 20:52.08 | crazed1980 | k thx! |
| 20:52.09 | valdyn | Solet: do you use a debian kernel image? |
| 20:52.17 | vi4m | hello. how to put hard disc into standby mode when using ReiserFS (i mean journaling) ? |
| 20:52.22 | mnelson | oh well, I guess I'll play with it later. I like x.org more than XF86 in any case :P (ducks) |
| 20:52.31 | Solet | valdyn: i have no idea |
| 20:52.41 | resiak | vi4m: You what now? |
| 20:52.45 | valdyn | Solet: uname -r , paste the output here |
| 20:52.50 | kod-e | i want to get started with Debian for amd64, and i have a few questions - which i should choose from Sid and Sarge, how they differ? |
| 20:53.10 | PerfDave | kod-e: /msg dpkg releases |
| 20:53.21 | PerfDave | kod-e: If you have to ask, you want Sarge. |
| 20:53.25 | Solet | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:53.36 | simonrvn | sid, alas, since only sid has the required gc version available to it (via experimental) |
| 20:53.42 | simonrvn | gcc* |
| 20:53.46 | abrotman | kod-e: do you want 64bit or 32bit ? |
| 20:53.51 | kod-e | 64 |
| 20:53.51 | valdyn | !find kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 sarge |
| 20:53.54 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386: (Linux kernel headers 2.6.8 on 386), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 250 kB, Installed size: 16668 kB |
| 20:53.56 | abrotman | !tell kod-e about amd64 |
| 20:54.16 | valdyn | Solet: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 20:54.29 | vi4m | resiak: hdparm -S set's spindown for disk, but it doesn't work properly, disk is going down and immediately wakes up |
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| 20:54.47 | Solet | valdyn i dont have internet on the machine... i need to load the module to make the card work.... |
| 20:55.06 | Solet | unless you know what cd its on... |
| 20:55.20 | Solet | or how to rebuild the list with dselect using cd's |
| 20:55.30 | resiak | vi4m: Sure, because the journal is committed periodically. I think the answer is "you don't". |
| 20:56.07 | valdyn | Solet: how do you install packages at all? |
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| 20:56.19 | saloxin | vi4m: you might experiment with laptop-mode-tools or noflushd |
| 20:56.31 | kod-e | thank you all |
| 20:56.34 | kod-e | 8) |
| 20:56.42 | vi4m | saloxin: i will try that. |
| 20:56.52 | Solet | the cd's |
| 20:56.56 | Solet | but it fucked up my list |
| 20:57.06 | valdyn | Solet: use apt-setup |
| 20:57.09 | jaxxan | i'm running stable. and trying to install postfix 2.2.2. i've entered in the backport source for apt-get and when i do a apt-cache show postfix, it still shows the 1.1.11 version of postfix, is this just normal ? |
| 20:57.12 | dreamskm | hey, is it possible to add full email addresses to /etc/aliases like joe@domain1.com: joe1 \ joe@domain2.com: joe2 |
| 20:57.14 | Solet | i did it last night at like 3am.... and the sarge installer was being evil |
| 20:57.19 | dreamskm | or how should I go about doing exactly that? |
| 20:57.35 | jaxxan | i did do apt-get update after modifying sources.list |
| 20:57.42 | dreamskm | anybody know a nice howto or something I could read? |
| 20:57.48 | valdyn | Solet: use apt-setup to fix your sources.list |
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| 20:58.00 | jaxxan | when i do a apt-cache showpkg postfix, it shows both versions of postfix |
| 20:58.13 | jaxxan | does it just automatically install the highest version ? |
| 20:58.18 | resiak | jaxxan: Yes. |
| 20:58.22 | resiak | jaxxan: (probably) |
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| 20:58.47 | jaxxan | my server only runs asterisk for my office pbx |
| 20:58.54 | jaxxan | so it is a production server |
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| 20:59.22 | Solet | ok module assistant installed... what do i do now? |
| 20:59.34 | simonrvn | you run it |
| 20:59.41 | valdyn | Solet: m-a a-i acx100 |
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| 21:01.51 | dext0r | oi, |
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| 21:02.16 | dext0r | is the latest net-install sarge .. for SPARC also bootable from cdrom? i guess so? |
| 21:02.36 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 21:02.36 | dpkg | i guess sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 21:02.43 | dext0r | i would like to have some confirmation about this, because at booting |
| 21:02.48 | dext0r | ok |
| 21:02.52 | dext0r | debian-sparc it iz :P |
| 21:03.05 | dext0r | not many ppl there though :( |
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| 21:03.29 | valdyn | dext0r: all info you need is on the debian-installer site |
| 21:03.57 | Solet | valdyn: there isnt an acx100 yet... i only have the tarbal |
| 21:04.10 | dext0r | so if my sparc returns me : can't read disk label / can't open disk label package, i can find the answer on the debian installer site? :D |
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| 21:04.16 | dext0r | doubt that though ;-) |
| 21:04.24 | valdyn | Solet: theres a debian package |
| 21:04.37 | valdyn | Solet: did you try m-a a-i acx100 ? |
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| 21:05.08 | Essobi | Mmm... make-kpkg didn't generate a package. MMmmm. |
| 21:05.25 | sbux | use dpkg |
| 21:05.29 | minimec | Hi sorry to bother you with this, but there is no one helping me at the #cups channel |
| 21:05.32 | minimec | HI. Hope you can help me, because I don't know were I am wrong. I want to install a network printer on my debian-unstable-client. The Printer is on cups on my debian-testing-server. I try to connect with 'http://myserver:631/printers/HL-5040'. On the client ide I get the message 'printer does not exist. When I do the same thing on a windows box it works. |
| 21:05.35 | Solet | yes |
| 21:05.55 | Solet | 'installation of the acx100-source failed, ignoring this package...... |
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| 21:06.04 | furrywolf | minimec: go back to #cpus and wait for someone to be there to help? :P |
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| 21:06.20 | Solet | is acx100-source accually on one of the cd's? |
| 21:06.29 | minimec | furrywolf: O am still connected to #cups :-) |
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| 21:06.40 | valdyn | Solet: i cant tell you, its in sarge however |
| 21:06.43 | Essobi | sbux What's that? |
| 21:06.46 | valdyn | Solet: apt-get install acx100-source |
| 21:07.00 | sbux | dpkg is the packaging sys of debian |
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| 21:07.13 | valdyn | Solet: builds fine too, i just did that |
| 21:07.16 | sbux | acx100 works fine for me |
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| 21:07.27 | mops | look in flood channesl please |
| 21:07.30 | Essobi | sbux I'm trying to build a custom kernel package |
| 21:07.36 | mops | and tell to me: |
| 21:07.46 | sbux | ah ok |
| 21:07.48 | mops | is that script pasted there pointless? |
| 21:08.00 | Solet | cant find package.... |
| 21:08.06 | minimec | Maybe one of you has the simple answer for that problem. |
| 21:08.10 | Solet | is there a way to find out what cd its on? |
| 21:08.36 | sbux | Essobi dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.8.1_custom.1.0_i386.deb |
| 21:08.41 | sbux | for example |
| 21:08.52 | sbux | this installs |
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| 21:09.06 | chealer | Solet: if you find one, tell me |
| 21:09.06 | Blissex | minimec: all you ahve to do is to configure CUPS correctly... |
| 21:09.14 | Blissex | minimec: there are lots of HOWTOs for that. |
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| 21:09.30 | Blissex | minimec: but start with 'http://myserver:631/' for exaple. |
| 21:09.33 | sbux | make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image with good params |
| 21:09.43 | valdyn | Solet: each cd has a contents file i think |
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| 21:09.58 | valdyn | Solet: other than that.. no idea |
| 21:10.09 | drac | sbux: You don't need that --revision=custom.1.0 there when creating 1.0 image. |
| 21:10.28 | valdyn | Solet: you really want to fix your sources.list.. why didnt you use apt-setup yet? |
| 21:10.33 | drac | sbux: Only if you're going to compile 2 same version kernel and install both. |
| 21:10.34 | sbux | yeah i know but helpful if ur rebuilding |
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| 21:10.45 | sbux | thx drac |
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| 21:11.32 | Solet | can i apt-get install a file on a floppy disk? |
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| 21:11.44 | Solet | cause i got the .deb file by itself |
| 21:11.45 | Delph | Solet: unlikely, but you can dpkg -i it |
| 21:11.49 | valdyn | Solet: dpkg -i it |
| 21:12.09 | Delph | well, you could make the floppy disk an local file repository for apt, but far easier just to dpkg -i it. |
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| 21:13.36 | silver_cpu | hi, all |
| 21:13.59 | silver_cpu | i'm having a difficult time enabling dma on my two optical drives (most importantly the dvd-rom), anyone have experience in this? |
| 21:14.23 | valdyn | silver_cpu: dma usually is not enabled manually |
| 21:14.37 | silver_cpu | i've already apt-get installed hdparm, but when i run hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda, it tells me that the operation was not permitted |
| 21:14.39 | silver_cpu | hmm |
| 21:14.41 | valdyn | silver_cpu: is it on for any other devices on the same controller? |
| 21:14.42 | xxxy | To install debian sarge I need all 14 CD ? |
| 21:14.49 | silver_cpu | but when i run hdparm -d /dev/hda it tells me dma is not on |
| 21:14.53 | valdyn | xxxy: only the first |
| 21:14.54 | azeem_ | xxxy: no |
| 21:15.01 | dabreegster | xxxy: no, you can netinstall |
| 21:15.01 | Solet | crap my floppy drive isnt wanting to mount |
| 21:15.14 | Solet | can it be mounted with no media in the drive? |
| 21:15.17 | valdyn | silver_cpu: is dma on for any other devices on the same controller? |
| 21:15.25 | silver_cpu | no, i'm running my hdd on a sata controller |
| 21:15.34 | silver_cpu | and the two opticals are on an ide channel togethre |
| 21:15.35 | valdyn | silver_cpu: do you use a debian kernel? |
| 21:15.37 | silver_cpu | together |
| 21:15.43 | dabreegster | it'd probably fail, Solet |
| 21:15.45 | silver_cpu | yes, 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 21:15.59 | valdyn | silver_cpu: whats your ide controller? |
| 21:16.00 | silver_cpu | but i'm thinking about updating to 2.6.11 |
| 21:16.06 | relbs | what's debian's stance on x.org vs. xfree86? i remember reading that debian vocally supports x.org, but i don't see any x.org packages.. |
| 21:16.09 | silver_cpu | it's an intel 915, ich6 device |
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| 21:16.38 | valdyn | silver_cpu: if that needs ahci then its not supported in 2.6.8 |
| 21:16.45 | dabreegster | !tell relbs about xorg |
| 21:16.49 | silver_cpu | ahhhh |
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| 21:17.11 | silver_cpu | that's probably what it is, because it worked great on gentoo, but i had 2.6.10, and 2.6.11 |
| 21:17.14 | valdyn | silver_cpu: oh nm, ahci was sata i think, but still may be not supported in 2.6.8, not sure |
| 21:17.20 | silver_cpu | hmm |
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| 21:17.26 | silver_cpu | well no i'm fine with my hdd |
| 21:17.31 | silver_cpu | i just need my dvds to play back decently |
| 21:17.35 | valdyn | silver_cpu: it was added around 2.6.10 |
| 21:17.39 | silver_cpu | so as soon as i get this fixed, i'm fixing my overlay issues |
| 21:17.41 | silver_cpu | alright |
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| 21:18.03 | silver_cpu | how do i upgrade? i've installed the 2.6.11 kernel image package, but it isn't booting |
| 21:18.12 | silver_cpu | i mean, it doesn't show up on my boot list |
| 21:18.16 | silver_cpu | have i installed it properly? |
| 21:18.23 | silver_cpu | debian is sooooo different from gentoo :p |
| 21:18.28 | drac | silver_cpu: dpkg -i kernel-image-blabla.deb ? |
| 21:18.57 | silver_cpu | nm, it's installed i need to reboot :) lemme try that and see if dma works, brb |
| 21:19.30 | valdyn | silver_cpu: you are most likely circumventing the package management, so you have to edit your boot loaders config by hand |
| 21:19.40 | Xerex | anyone knows the name of the GTK package through apt-get install coz I dont seem to get relevant results through apt-cache search >? |
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| 21:19.53 | silver_cpu | nah, grub's menu.lst is updated, i just hadn't rebooted, i feel dumb for that :p |
| 21:19.54 | silver_cpu | brb |
| 21:20.10 | streuner | Xerex: for what for? |
| 21:20.15 | minimec | Blissex: "Destiantion printerdoes not exist" I read that a hundred times until now. Where is my 'blackout'? |
| 21:20.35 | kappel79 | hello ! |
| 21:20.38 | valdyn | Xerex: apt-cache search libgtk |
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| 21:21.13 | Xerex | streuner: well when I try to open programs like airsnort, and the like, I am getting an GTK error |
| 21:21.13 | minimec | Blissex: "Destiantion printerdoes not exist" I read that a hundred times until now. Where is my 'blackout'? |
| 21:21.14 | streuner | Xerex: if you wanna compile something use 'apt-cache search libgtk dev' |
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| 21:21.31 | streuner | Xerex: paste the _FIRST_ error here |
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| 21:21.51 | Blissex | minimec: have you tried configuring CUPS? |
| 21:21.54 | Blissex | minimec: what makes you think that URL should work with CUPS too? |
| 21:22.00 | Xerex | (airsnort:5277): Gtk-warning **: cannot open displau: |
| 21:22.10 | Xerex | streuner: its on the other computer |
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| 21:22.33 | streuner | Xerex: thats the error you got in compile process? |
| 21:22.43 | Xerex | no when trying to run airsnort |
| 21:22.47 | valdyn | Xerex: you need X to use airsnort |
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| 21:23.02 | laurens_ | Hmm, hal doesn't seem to work properly if I don't use gnome :'( |
| 21:23.05 | minimec | Blissex: It works on a WinXP Box of my Girlfriend. There I can connect to the server without problems. |
| 21:23.08 | streuner | Xerex: 'startx' ;-) |
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| 21:23.29 | Xerex | am already using X |
| 21:23.44 | Blissex | minimec: DO you think that MS Windows XP uses CUPS too? :-) |
| 21:23.47 | valdyn | Xerex: you did "su" ? |
| 21:23.55 | Xerex | valdyn: yup |
| 21:24.00 | Xerex | valdyn: am under KDE |
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| 21:24.12 | valdyn | Xerex: use "sux" instead ( apt-get install sux ) |
| 21:24.13 | streuner | Xerex: start is as 'user' |
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| 21:24.45 | Blissex | minimec: under GNU/Linux Debian you need to make some more effort to configure a printer. MS Windows service URLs dont necessarily work... |
| 21:24.46 | Xerex | valdyn: but does not the problem seems with the display or GTK ? |
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| 21:25.02 | madclicker | hola |
| 21:25.15 | valdyn | Xerex: nope, this is X authentication , it wont work if you use su, so use sux |
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| 21:25.30 | dwu | Xerex what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:25.45 | madclicker | evolution spell checker, which packages do i need to make it work under gnome. |
| 21:25.47 | madclicker | ? |
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| 21:26.07 | Xerex | valdyn: ur right, I ran airsnort with regular user it worked. but can I run it with su ? |
| 21:26.09 | valdyn | Xerex: its a little more subtle than im saying, but just use sux |
| 21:26.25 | Xerex | am getting sux |
| 21:26.55 | azeem_ | madclicker: check evolution's Recommends:/Suggests:, perhaps there is something in there |
| 21:26.55 | minimec | Blissex: Ok. I will give it another try. I am working on Linux for years now, but on Debian only a few month. So sorry that I am looking like a geek. :-) |
| 21:26.57 | Xerex | valdyn: got it. |
| 21:26.59 | Blissex | minimec: so if you want we can give you some pointers how to get it done. |
| 21:27.06 | Xerex | so now sux airsnort ?> |
| 21:27.08 | ia3264 | is there a script or command line option that does kinda what windows software does and automatically notifies you if an update is out. only like going through the packages (maybe via cron) and tellin you via email |
| 21:27.22 | minimec | Blissex: I would definitly like that :-) |
| 21:27.24 | valdyn | Xerex: no, where you used "su", use "sux" instead |
| 21:27.34 | valdyn | Xerex: so, to become root in X, use "sux" |
| 21:27.36 | Blissex | minimec: the short way of configuring the CUPS print server, if you are running that, is to use its web interface. |
| 21:27.47 | Blissex | minimec: which can be accessed as http://localhost:631/ |
| 21:28.01 | minimec | Blissex: I am using the web interface. |
| 21:28.03 | Blissex | minimec: if that works, it is fairly easy to understand. |
| 21:28.20 | Blissex | minimec: then you have to add the printer to the list of allowed printers... |
| 21:28.51 | minimec | Blissex: Wait a Moment. I have to log with the englische locale. :-) |
| 21:29.17 | Blissex | minimec: watch this... |
| 21:29.44 | Blissex | google cups debian printer configuration tutorial OR howto |
| 21:30.00 | Blissex | HEY whats happened to <google>? |
| 21:30.04 | Blissex | ~google cups debian printer configuration tutorial OR howto |
| 21:30.10 | Blissex | !google cups debian printer configuration tutorial OR howto |
| 21:30.17 | lanchow | Results for cups debian printer configuration tutorial OR howto on Google: |
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| 21:30.17 | lanchow | http://mumford1.dyndns.org/~bs7452/linuxhelp/<b>cups</b>.html |
| 21:30.18 | dpkg | Google says cups debian printer configuration tutorial OR howto is at http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html or http://mumford1.dyndns.org/~bs7452/linuxhelp/cups.html or http://excess.org/docs/linux_windows_printing.html or http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html or ... |
| 21:30.26 | Solet | when i tried dpkg -i acx100-source it said "dependency problems -leaving unconfigured" |
| 21:30.34 | Blissex | oops sorry for the repetition... |
| 21:30.34 | Solet | what all does that package depend on? |
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| 21:30.44 | azeem_ | Solet: that's not the whole error message, usually |
| 21:30.50 | pder | debian do not work on my computer. i think it might be because debian is bad system |
| 21:30.53 | simonrvn | you'd better be sorry, or else you'd be sorry ;p |
| 21:31.04 | Solet | oh oops i'm blind... |
| 21:31.04 | ia3264 | that must be it |
| 21:31.05 | Solet | debhelper |
| 21:31.10 | valdyn | !depends acx100-source |
| 21:31.12 | dpkg | acx100-source: depends on debhelper (>= 4.0), module-assistant |
| 21:31.16 | ia3264 | if something doesnt work its never your fault :P |
| 21:31.17 | dabreegster | pder: stop trolling |
| 21:31.27 | pder | dabreegster ok |
| 21:31.34 | Blissex | pder: Debian is used by very many people quite successfully... |
| 21:31.55 | Blissex | pder: if it foes not work on your computer it may be because it is a bit too technical for a beginner. |
| 21:32.06 | simonrvn | useless stupid trolling... |
| 21:32.12 | pder | Blissex: i am debian expert |
| 21:32.20 | dabreegster | pder: don't go around calling stuff crap. You could try asking a question and we could maybe help you. |
| 21:32.29 | streuner | simonrvn: if you going that way, you prolly need a single HD alone for your ignore-list :-P |
| 21:32.32 | Blissex | pder: there are several very beginner oriented derivaties of Debian, like Ubuntu or Knoppix, and you may want to try those. |
| 21:32.39 | simonrvn | streuner: haha :) |
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| 21:32.46 | dabreegster | pder: but you cant get it to work on your PC? |
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| 21:33.00 | pder | dabreegster: yes i am running debian sid on here |
| 21:33.02 | simonrvn | layer 8 problem, not debian problem |
| 21:33.09 | drac | don't help the troll, or feed him. |
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| 21:33.25 | chealer | simonrvn: sounds like a network admin joke :) |
| 21:33.36 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 21:33.43 | dabreegster | pder: alright. well, what was a specific problem you had installing it wherever you couldn't? |
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| 21:33.48 | cureless | layer 8 is not a joke |
| 21:33.54 | pder | dabreegster: there wasnt |
| 21:34.26 | azeem_ | pder: try to tell us your story from the beginning |
| 21:34.29 | Solet | what exactly is a repository? |
| 21:34.35 | cureless | layer 8 is always the most problematic |
| 21:34.38 | Solet | trashfile? |
| 21:34.42 | dabreegster | pder: then why'd you say it was a bad system, etc.? |
| 21:34.50 | dabreegster | oh, wait, he's a troll. never mind. |
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| 21:35.06 | pder | azeem_: well it all started back in the 70s |
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| 21:35.33 | simonrvn | @tell s-ndh-c_ -about root |
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| 21:35.38 | cureless | why do we discriminate against trolls? the troll race never did anything against debian. |
| 21:35.54 | mpc | hola capullos |
| 21:36.03 | dabreegster | cureless: different meanings here |
| 21:36.05 | shingouz | (why do i get a feeling that the channel just may have some "ads" for gnaa pretty soon...) |
| 21:36.09 | Obscene_CNN | pder: let me guess printf("hello World/n"); |
| 21:36.19 | cureless | dabreegster: you don't say? :-) |
| 21:36.26 | ia3264 | \n |
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| 21:36.38 | Solet | for cvs setup do i want /var/lib/cvs for my repository? |
| 21:36.40 | s-ndh-c_ | better now? |
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| 21:36.48 | Obscene_CNN | oops, sorry sleep deprivation |
| 21:36.49 | shingouz | s-ndh-c_: yes. a lot :) |
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| 21:37.01 | ia3264 | sorry i'm in pedantic mode |
| 21:37.03 | dabreegster | cureless: I'm not in a sarcastic mood yet. Give me a minute. |
| 21:37.03 | simonrvn | much. thank you |
| 21:37.13 | s-ndh-c_ | how do i update my system? i want to have newer kernel than 2.2 |
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| 21:37.21 | simonrvn | install one |
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| 21:37.34 | streuner | s-ndh-c_: desktop or server? |
| 21:37.37 | cureless | dabreegster: I think for #d I always start in that mode. |
| 21:37.40 | dabreegster | s-ndh-c_: apt-get install kernel-package-foo |
| 21:37.41 | azeem_ | s-ndh-c_: synaptic is a nice program for updating Debian systems |
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| 21:37.53 | s-ndh-c_ | streuner: desktop |
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| 21:38.03 | Solet | can anyone tell me what i should put in for 'repositories' in the cvs setup? |
| 21:38.05 | streuner | s-ndh-c_: upgrade to sarge |
| 21:38.10 | dabreegster | cureless: I'm just tired today. |
| 21:38.13 | s-ndh-c_ | dabreegster: but how can i view the package list to see what is there? |
| 21:38.16 | Xerex | how can I force root to login at startup ? I know its done for security reasons, but I want root to login as a user. |
| 21:38.31 | azeem_ | root to login as a user? |
| 21:38.44 | azeem_ | Xerex: maybe you should explain what you want to achieve |
| 21:38.44 | Xerex | root to login in startup |
| 21:38.59 | dabreegster | s-ndh-c_: package manager. dselect, aptitude, synaptic. Do you want to upgrade all packages? Are you running Woody? |
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| 21:39.18 | saabin | hello |
| 21:39.19 | saabin | hello "cat test.txt | sendmail -t to:me@com.com subject:"test subject" ? is this correct? Need only the sendmail |
| 21:39.19 | azeem_ | Xerex: that's not an achievement. Why do you need root to be logged in on startup? |
| 21:39.20 | s-ndh-c_ | dabreegster: yeah, woody 3.0 |
| 21:39.29 | shingouz | s-ndh-c_: also /msg dpkg search |
| 21:39.44 | dabreegster | s-ndh-c_: and you want to go to sarge? |
| 21:39.48 | Xerex | azeem_: I have my own needs, the question is how |
| 21:39.51 | dabreegster | !tell s-ndh-c_ about woody->sarge |
| 21:39.58 | s-ndh-c_ | if that is better? |
| 21:40.16 | cureless | Xerex: doesn't gdm/kdm give you an option for that? |
| 21:40.20 | simonrvn | i doubt you actually "need" it to log in as root... |
| 21:40.24 | s-ndh-c_ | iam using gentoo on all my other machines, but this one is too slow to compile all from source |
| 21:40.35 | dabreegster | s-ndh-c_: well, depends on what you want. For a home box, I'd recommend it |
| 21:40.47 | Xerex | cureless: if u try, it says root logins are not allowed |
| 21:40.58 | Xerex | simonrvn: I do. |
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| 21:41.02 | dabreegster | s-ndh-c_: you don't have to compile anything. As long as you have a fast connection (or whatever you use for apt sources) you'll be fine |
| 21:41.10 | cureless | s-ndh-c_: isn't there a way to not compile everything in gentoo |
| 21:41.26 | s-ndh-c_ | dabreegster: i want to have X with xfce4 and mysql apache php python Java thats all |
| 21:41.35 | gnat_x | i am running sarge with a stock k7 2.6 kernel. at times when i use my mouse, but with no real way to tell what triggers it, the screen mouse and keyboard will lock up. the only way to get out of it is to do a hard reboot. i've googled around a bit and haven't found an answer anywhere, was wondering if anyone here had an idea? |
| 21:41.49 | dabreegster | s-ndh-c_: then just grab those packages. |
| 21:41.51 | cureless | Xerex: can't you auto-login as a normal user and use sudo? |
| 21:41.59 | RTC | wqetst |
| 21:42.01 | kappel79 | i have sarge 2.6 k7 too |
| 21:42.06 | dabreegster | s-ndh-c_: but I'd get a newer kernel than 2.2 anyway |
| 21:42.21 | simonrvn | too much work to get root privs safely. didn't you know that? |
| 21:42.24 | s-ndh-c_ | dabreegster: is xorg availible on debian? |
| 21:42.31 | simonrvn | </sarcasm> |
| 21:42.36 | s-ndh-c_ | or only xfree86? |
| 21:42.38 | simonrvn | s-ndh-c_: no |
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| 21:42.45 | dabreegster | !tell s-ndh-c_ about xorg |
| 21:42.48 | RTC | seus bando de troxa |
| 21:42.50 | Xerex | cureless: you could, but I would like to be able to login as root |
| 21:42.53 | ia3264 | strange debian's uname uses -r for kernelname instead of -u |
| 21:43.00 | evad[] | uh |
| 21:43.00 | dabreegster | s-ndh-c_: read the msg from dpkg |
| 21:43.00 | Xerex | like in most other linux distros and Sun |
| 21:43.02 | evad[] | what?! |
| 21:43.05 | s-ndh-c_ | i dont get this to stupid i810 to work with x |
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| 21:43.22 | s-ndh-c_ | it allways says something with apgart or something like that |
| 21:43.24 | evad[] | uname is GNU uname |
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| 21:43.36 | evad[] | and its the same for all GNU operating systems, i.e. GNU/Linux |
| 21:43.37 | cureless | Xerex: you're trying to auto-login, no? |
| 21:43.38 | s-ndh-c_ | i should get me a new kernel |
| 21:43.39 | xophEr | How can I install grub on another hdd's MBR ? |
| 21:43.48 | silver_cpu | hey, anyone here with an nvidia card use module-assistant to install drivers for it? |
| 21:43.56 | ia3264 | my linux+ certification program says its supposed to be uname -u though, <shrugs> |
| 21:43.56 | gnat_x | anyone? |
| 21:44.13 | silver_cpu | i'm having a tough time getting x to come up, with the 2.6.11 kernel. i installed nvidia with the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 21:44.42 | kappel79 | instralling nvidia on 2.6 is very easy |
| 21:44.43 | k-dog | Is there a good way to find the lowest free X session? |
| 21:44.47 | chealer | silver_cpu: you must compile a new kernel module |
| 21:44.52 | pwned | silver_cpu: just follow the first result of google query: nvidia debian way |
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| 21:45.20 | s-ndh-c_ | i`ll fetch me a vanila 2.6.11 kernel will that be ok with debian? |
| 21:45.32 | Talnakh | yes, it is ok with me |
| 21:45.32 | silver_cpu | well yes, but when i use module-assistant auto-install nvidia, it says that the module already exists, and that it's skipping the installation |
| 21:45.38 | Solet | it says that acx100-source was not built successfully |
| 21:45.44 | silver_cpu | but if i don't build a new kernel module, it won't work :/ |
| 21:46.06 | chealer | silver_cpu: you did that under 2.6.11, right? |
| 21:46.25 | cureless | s-ndh-c_: what's wrong with the debian 2.6.11? |
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| 21:46.38 | silver_cpu | yeah |
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| 21:46.44 | silver_cpu | dunno what's up. |
| 21:46.50 | bucky | silver_cpu, the 2.6.11 requires at least the 1.0-6629 nvidia driver.. maybe newer |
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| 21:47.06 | bucky | i'd use the latest nvidia driver |
| 21:47.10 | silver_cpu | hold, lemme check what ver it was trying to install |
| 21:47.11 | chealer | silver_cpu: post dpkg -l nvidia-kernel* to #flood |
| 21:47.44 | wooden | mplayer is every time broken, or? |
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| 21:48.12 | pwned | by the way I got gcc4.0 and corresponding gcc-core and gcc-g++ compiled from source and running on /usr/local/gcc4 . If somebody remembers the question from yesterday. |
| 21:48.13 | ethics | <wooden>:...I M WATCHING TV SHOWS ON MPLAYER ATM......WORKS.. |
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| 21:48.22 | silver_cpu | gah...where does it start? |
| 21:48.26 | pwned | it wasn't just ./configure && make && make install |
| 21:48.43 | wooden | i cant install mplayer via apt-get in sarge, dependencies |
| 21:48.45 | ethics | pwned: recompiled OOo? i wanna know if its notably quicker |
| 21:48.54 | pwned | ethics: it is |
| 21:49.01 | dabreegster | !tell wooden about mplayer |
| 21:49.22 | pwned | ethics: I profiled i386 and athlon-xp, athlon-xp on my athlon compiles 20% faster on average on this machine |
| 21:49.22 | ethics | <wooden>: cool now should i bother recompiling stuff or just wait for a new deb heheh |
| 21:49.28 | silver_cpu | chealer, what do you think's going on here? |
| 21:49.34 | ethics | <wooden>:wow i found a font thingy hehe |
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| 21:49.44 | chealer | silver_cpu: sorry, didn't notice yet |
| 21:49.59 | pwned | I tried it on mozilla firefox |
| 21:50.30 | pwned | few other things |
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| 21:50.37 | chealer | silver_cpu: you don't seem to have a kernel module for 2.6.11, but prepend COLUMNS=200 to the command I said to show the full package names |
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| 21:50.44 | drac | ethics: why are you pasting woodens lines? |
| 21:50.47 | s-ndh-c_ | i think it will take years to compile the new kernel, on this 466mhz celeron |
| 21:50.53 | ethics | pwned: does OOo run faster with new compile? |
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| 21:51.14 | pwned | ethics: what do you mean OOo ? |
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| 21:51.29 | ethics | pwned: open office |
| 21:51.34 | pwned | I didn't test. |
| 21:51.37 | dreamskm | hi, is there somebody here that would be willing to help with some Exim configuration? |
| 21:51.38 | patrickfwork | Hi I'm a debian beginner and want to know how to edit the lilo.conf |
| 21:51.45 | patrickfwork | Can someone help me? |
| 21:51.46 | Solet | with module-assistant how do i specify valid kernel headers to use? |
| 21:51.47 | ethics | drac: because im a tool and didn't copy riht heh |
| 21:51.48 | pwned | to me it is obvious that it would |
| 21:52.00 | oliver_ | hi patrickfwork |
| 21:52.05 | silver_cpu | so do you think i should try reinstalling the kernel module? |
| 21:52.07 | oliver_ | why is your problem? |
| 21:52.17 | simonrvn | what is |
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| 21:52.29 | chealer | silver_cpu: you must compile one for 2.6.11 |
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| 21:52.34 | ethics | pwned: yeah i was hoping the speedup may be obvious too in real world |
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| 21:52.51 | silver_cpu | ok, well i guess i'll try rebooting, bbiab |
| 21:53.00 | titi_cnw | Hi everybody |
| 21:53.08 | pwned | ethics: so firefox is not real world? |
| 21:53.12 | oliver_ | hi |
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| 21:53.19 | Solet | m-a a-i acx100-source doesnt work.... can anyone help me??? |
| 21:53.36 | thingfish | well, not to a subjectivist... |
| 21:53.43 | pwned | thingfish: (= |
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| 21:54.03 | drac | Solet: apt-get install build-essential kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i axc100 sounds more correct to me. |
| 21:54.06 | thingfish | sorry, I couldn't help it. |
| 21:55.45 | Solet | drac, it cant find the kernel-headers package... |
| 21:55.55 | Solet | do you know what cd it is on? |
| 21:56.06 | minimec | Blissex: THX for the help. I finally got it done. :-) |
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| 21:56.41 | drac | Solet: uname -r |
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| 21:58.43 | Solet | 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 21:59.21 | drac | Solet: ok, there should be kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 package. |
| 21:59.38 | drac | Solet: run apt-setup and get them from net? |
| 21:59.50 | Solet | i cant |
| 22:00.00 | Solet | the whole point of acx100 is to get my wifi card working... |
| 22:00.05 | Solet | i dont have net until wifi card works |
| 22:00.19 | Solet | i know there is the package... but i dont know what cd its on |
| 22:00.23 | ethics | pwned: yeah firefox is realworld but it was quick on my box anyways heheh...OOo was my slowest app for loading up and use so i was hoping its speeds up beyond painful |
| 22:00.43 | pwned | ethics: you aren I type of different speed increases. |
| 22:01.11 | pwned | I suspect that you want to compare 3.4 or 3.3 with 4.0, whilst I do compare one 4.0 compilation with another 4.0 compilation |
| 22:01.54 | jerome | good evening all, I was wondering if some of you manage to get a ToUcam II philips webcam to work with a 2.6.11.x kernel ? |
| 22:02.03 | jerome | (using the ov511 or pwc driver) |
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| 22:05.44 | GmLB | Samba is giving an NT_STATUS_NETWORK_ACCESS_DENIED to hosts trying to connect to the IPC$ share... what rule could possibly be doing that |
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| 22:06.18 | chealer | GmLB: try asking #samba |
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| 22:06.39 | GmLB | Chealer: #samba est zombie |
| 22:06.48 | reagent | anyone want to get shocked? http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~mweyland/e2fsck |
| 22:06.58 | chealer | english channel... |
| 22:07.15 | chealer | if you don't get an answer there, it's unlikely that you get one here anyway |
| 22:07.20 | Solet | does anyone know what sarge cd all the kernel header crap is on? |
| 22:07.26 | gurubie | I can't see the term window in Synaptic well with black back ground a small hard to read white text. How do I quickly make the text more readable? |
| 22:07.37 | ia3264 | are daemons the same thing as services? |
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| 22:08.10 | saabin | "cat test.txt |lp -dprinter" or it can happen "ls -al| lp -dprinter" how to I get contents of what is being sent to the printer using bash into /tmp/tmp.txt? I do not know if it is ls or cat being used |
| 22:08.10 | simonrvn | @hurry |
| 22:08.11 | ravenbird | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 22:08.34 | saabin | it is stdin |
| 22:08.41 | saabin | ? |
| 22:08.42 | cureless | ia3264: as in windows services? |
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| 22:08.56 | ia3264 | as in linux services |
| 22:08.59 | s-ndh-c_ | why cant i install 2.6.10 kernel? |
| 22:09.11 | cureless | ia3264: what's a linux service? |
| 22:09.32 | cureless | s-ndh-c_: why can't you? |
| 22:09.34 | ia3264 | like servers usually i guess |
| 22:09.34 | streuner | s-ndh-c_: sarge has 2.6.8 kernel not 2.6.10 kernel, if you want you can compile you own kernel |
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| 22:09.48 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 22:09.56 | patrickfwork | Hi I'm a debian beginner, want to exit the "vi" editor but don't work |
| 22:09.59 | patrickfwork | Can someone help me? |
| 22:10.06 | Eclipser | patrickfwork, :q |
| 22:10.09 | ia3264 | type esc then :q! |
| 22:10.11 | bucky | :q! |
| 22:10.11 | s-ndh-c_ | cureless:i downloaded 2.6.10 but i cant run make menuconfig |
| 22:10.22 | ia3264 | or wq! if you want to save |
| 22:10.23 | cureless | ia3264: daemons are programs that stay running... |
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| 22:10.38 | cureless | s-ndh-c_: you probably don't have the curses dev files. |
| 22:10.43 | Eclipser | ! isn't neccessary if w is used (unless multiple buffers are open?) :) |
| 22:10.43 | dpkg | Eclipser: okay |
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| 22:10.47 | ia3264 | well arent services the same thing then |
| 22:10.49 | silver_cpu | chealer, that didn't work (i don't think). X still won't start under the 2.6.11 kernel, even after i compiled a new nvidia-kernel |
| 22:10.50 | Eclipser | erh |
| 22:10.54 | bucky | :wq if you didn't cp a .bak copy of the file and you want to be really lost |
| 22:10.56 | Eclipser | ! |
| 22:11.01 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 22:11.03 | cureless | ia3264: the word "services" is not used at all. |
| 22:11.05 | silver_cpu | what was the command you had me run before? dpkg something? |
| 22:11.06 | simonrvn | !forget isn't neccessary if w |
| 22:11.06 | dpkg | simonrvn: i forgot isn't neccessary if w |
| 22:11.07 | Eclipser | I think I screwed up dpkg |
| 22:11.15 | ia3264 | i see services used a lot in linux texts |
| 22:11.16 | simonrvn | taken care |
| 22:11.19 | Eclipser | good |
| 22:11.41 | simonrvn | LoonaTick: turn off that stupid script please |
| 22:11.59 | cureless | ia3264: strange, i would assume "server" is used more. |
| 22:12.01 | ia3264 | theres even a file called /etc/services |
| 22:12.09 | ia3264 | for the network ones |
| 22:12.40 | decko | Hi guys! I need a help from a DD. I got some problem upgrading a package that uses .postinst scripts. I don't know exactly what's happen, but at some time of upgrade, the script abort the process and return the following message: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 22:12.58 | decko | I'm using sarge |
| 22:13.07 | cureless | ia3264: true, and I use that file sometimes, but I've never thought of them as services, oh well. |
| 22:13.16 | Blissex | decko: just remove the postinst script... |
| 22:13.22 | Blissex | decko: that often works. |
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| 22:13.30 | Solet | i tried dpkg -i kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386_2.6.8-13_i386.deb and it said i need package kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 22:13.45 | simonrvn | um, don't remove it, comment out the fucked up parts |
| 22:13.51 | Solet | how many kernel header packages are there.... why werent they installed with the kernel? |
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| 22:14.14 | Blissex | simonrvn: you are assuming he knows how to figure that out, but yes, that's better, if one can do it. |
| 22:14.29 | simonrvn | the postinst is there fr a reason - when it work properly - don't just go rm'ing the things... |
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| 22:14.36 | bucky | Solet, which kernel are you running ? |
| 22:14.37 | ia3264 | its crazy how much linux you can learn in a day, everyday and still not know anywhere near everything |
| 22:14.41 | simonrvn | mind my typos... |
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| 22:14.57 | Blissex | Solet: I have heard a very recent rumour, that someone has done a very experimental package called APT that handles dependency issues, but I am not sure anybody uses it yet :-) |
| 22:14.59 | stew | decko: did you check the bts? |
| 22:15.31 | decko | Blissex, I think I can't do this. One of the package is fontconfig, and he will try to re-generate the font cache |
| 22:15.32 | cureless | ia3264: the days of knowing everything are over. |
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| 22:15.46 | Blissex | decko: thats easy to do manually./ |
| 22:15.50 | simonrvn | decko: and what's wrong with regenerating the font cache? |
| 22:15.52 | ia3264 | i like that though, you never get bored |
| 22:15.58 | Fo | hi, Im just installing on server : mysql-4.0.24 and make is yelling about : error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6 .... |
| 22:16.03 | Solet | bucky: given the file name's im listing take a wild guess |
| 22:16.12 | decko | stew, No, but one thing is strange. I have another machine with sarge, and this problem don't happen |
| 22:16.33 | decko | Blissex, no when you have 40 machines to do this... |
| 22:16.43 | Blissex | decko: then you are pretty doomed. |
| 22:16.54 | patrickfwork | what I make wrong? I put ESC and than I typed :q and pressed Enter |
| 22:16.59 | Blissex | decko: you have to fix the package yourself, or revert to an earlier version. |
| 22:16.59 | bucky | Solet, uname -r |
| 22:17.10 | Solet | dude i've said it eight billion times |
| 22:17.21 | decko | simonrvn, Theres no problem in regenerating font cache, but I think that this is a necessary process to the system... |
| 22:17.23 | Solet | 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 22:17.33 | stew | decko: check the bts |
| 22:17.34 | Blissex | decko: or perhaps grab the next version from 'unstable', it may be fixed. |
| 22:17.39 | patrickfwork | but I can't exit |
| 22:17.47 | simonrvn | so why are you bitching about that then? :) |
| 22:17.47 | stew | decko: if the bug is in there it will likely have a workaround |
| 22:17.54 | bucky | Solet, you need a kernel optimized for your cpu |
| 22:18.01 | Blissex | decko: this is one of those cases where clever use of 'aptitude' can be helpful. |
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| 22:18.17 | patrickfwork | the "vi" editor writes: "File modified since ..." |
| 22:18.26 | decko | stew, It's happen in tetex-base, fontconfig and apache |
| 22:18.27 | patrickfwork | What I make wrong? |
| 22:18.30 | bucky | Solet, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 22:18.33 | Solet | bucky: i need to know which debian cd the kernel header packages reside on |
| 22:18.40 | onre | if you want to overwrite it with the version in buffer, :wq! |
| 22:18.45 | decko | stew, That's packages I remenber... |
| 22:18.55 | onre | if you don't want to overwrite, :q! |
| 22:18.58 | onre | ! == force |
| 22:19.01 | patrickfwork | No, don't override |
| 22:19.05 | stew | decko: so check the bts for those three packages........ |
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| 22:19.15 | Solet | i run a p4 |
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| 22:19.20 | patrickfwork | I only want to quit without saving |
| 22:19.25 | onre | i already told you how. |
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| 22:19.39 | patrickfwork | yes but it didn't work |
| 22:19.42 | simonrvn | then it's :q, :q! if necessary |
| 22:19.48 | silver_cpu | well, i'll try again in a few minutes, when i've had a moment away from it |
| 22:19.49 | Solet | do i want the 686 or the 686-smp? |
| 22:19.49 | cureless | patrickfwork: quit in vi quitout saving :q! |
| 22:19.49 | simonrvn | press escape first |
| 22:19.52 | silver_cpu | bbiab |
| 22:19.57 | decko | stew, I will |
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| 22:20.02 | bucky | Solet, 686 |
| 22:20.10 | Solet | how do i change to that kernel? |
| 22:20.12 | bucky | Solet, smp is for more than one cpu |
| 22:20.13 | simonrvn | patrickfwork: press esc, then the command |
| 22:20.19 | Solet | will it break anything? |
| 22:20.25 | Blissex | Solet: it is usually kept a secret, but given that it's you I can tell you: the druids of Debian have designed an incantation called 'apt-cdrom'. Dont tell anybody else! |
| 22:20.27 | bucky | Solet, man apt-get |
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| 22:20.40 | Cyis | anyone work with Heimdal-kdc ? |
| 22:20.41 | simonrvn | @tell momonga|mpaa -about root |
| 22:20.44 | patrickfwork | yes I tried! first ESC than :q |
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| 22:20.58 | patrickfwork | but only the text "File modified since ..." |
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| 22:21.05 | Solet | ok so i just apt-get install my new kernel and it will not break anything? |
| 22:21.08 | simonrvn | Cyis: ask your question first |
| 22:21.14 | cureless | patrickfwork: <esc><esc><esc>:q!<enter> |
| 22:21.19 | cureless | for good measure. |
| 22:21.25 | bucky | patrickfwork, do you have the file opened more than once? |
| 22:21.36 | bucky | how many vi's do you have open? |
| 22:21.49 | simonrvn | patrickfwork: then i strongly suggest you run vimtutor |
| 22:21.57 | Cyis | well seems like from looking at the output of 'ldd' against heimdal-kdc and from the debian/rules it's built against openldap... however I'm having trouble getting it to access the LDAP server |
| 22:21.57 | simonrvn | after all this anyway... |
| 22:21.58 | patrickfwork | ok With ":q!" it worked |
| 22:22.04 | cureless | patrickfwork: try this then: <control>-Z then at the prompt "kill %1" |
| 22:22.11 | patrickfwork | thanks, but I hope I did't saved |
| 22:22.19 | simonrvn | he's got it, no need to kill it |
| 22:22.20 | bucky | patrickfwork, that closes without saving changes |
| 22:22.28 | patrickfwork | hehe |
| 22:22.30 | simonrvn | no, you didn't save anything :) |
| 22:22.40 | bucky | patrickfwork, make a back up before editing files |
| 22:22.41 | sudo|chmod | stupid question but ... how do I list the size of a directory's contents in the terminal ... ls -? |
| 22:22.45 | patrickfwork | thanks, I know I'm a neebie on linux |
| 22:22.47 | cureless | simonrvn: unless he saved before. |
| 22:22.58 | simonrvn | then he,s fucked anyway =) |
| 22:23.07 | ethics | patrickfwork: if you wan vi in readonly mode you can use view |
| 22:23.37 | cureless | patrickfwork: get a vi cheat sheet. Use another editor if you need something right now (nano). Or use a graphical one with menus (gvim). |
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| 22:24.38 | simonrvn | it's not a cheat sheet if he's not cheating ;p |
| 22:24.45 | Solet | ok i did the apt-get install for the new kernel but it still says i have the old kernel.... |
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| 22:24.51 | evad | you have to reboot |
| 22:25.15 | simonrvn | ...one of the few things you have to reboot for is kernel upgrades.. |
| 22:25.16 | cureless | it's cheating since he doesn't know the commands by heart. |
| 22:25.26 | simonrvn | bah, pedantic ;p |
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| 22:25.39 | bucky | Solet, reboot |
| 22:25.53 | Solet | bucky: way ahead.... |
| 22:25.56 | Cyis | ok... never mind that question regarding heimdal-kdc... seems LDAP support was added in -10 and I have -9 installed |
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| 22:26.19 | bucky | Solet, way ahead of what? |
| 22:26.22 | simonrvn | Cyis: yup. i finally don't have to rebuild it to have ldap support anymore =) |
| 22:26.29 | Solet | i've already rebooted |
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| 22:26.41 | simonrvn | @wb cafuego |
| 22:26.43 | ravenbird | Welcome back cafuego, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 22:26.44 | ethics | this may sound like a silly question but.....Intellipoint mouse uses what "DRIVER" in xf86config-4? |
| 22:26.50 | bucky | Solet, you never left the channel |
| 22:26.54 | cafuego | hey simonrvn |
| 22:26.55 | Cyis | simonrvn: any guess what the chances are that -10 will make it into sarge? |
| 22:27.10 | Solet | bucky: ever thought of the distinct possability that i may own one machine? |
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| 22:27.24 | bucky | Solet, so what does uname -r say now? |
| 22:27.28 | simonrvn | it's not in standard AFAIK, so probably in 10 days if no RC bugs are on it (it closes an *old* one too) |
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| 22:27.45 | abrotman | cafuego: feed him! |
| 22:27.50 | bucky | Solet, btw my wireless card works |
| 22:27.52 | cureless | cafuego: you have a wireless mouse? which one? |
| 22:28.01 | cafuego | abrotman: Fresh, crunchy electrons. |
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| 22:28.06 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:28.07 | cafuego | cureless: Logitech MX700 |
| 22:28.13 | simonrvn | yeh, extra, net |
| 22:28.25 | Solet | bucky gimme a sec..... i had to stop and set the bios clock cause its been bugging me... |
| 22:28.47 | cureless | cafuego: I got an (rebranded?) IBM something or other for one of the computers but it doesn't seem to have the same response as the previous (wired) one I had. |
| 22:28.52 | Solet | grrr still says 386 |
| 22:29.16 | cafuego | cureless: This one has a better resolution and responsiveness than my previous (logitech) wired optical mouse. |
| 22:29.35 | Fo | anybody can help ? - im compiling mysql-4.0.24 and having problems with it : libstdc++.so.6 - no such file or directory - but i see in /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6 which is a symlink to /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.3 :/ |
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| 22:29.48 | simonrvn | Fo: you need -dev |
| 22:29.53 | cafuego | cureless: I've come to the conclusion that logitech make the best mice by far and that you tend to get what you pay for; the more expensive, the nicer. |
| 22:29.53 | cureless | cafuego: to me it seems like it goes into power-saving mode too quickly, so it takes a while to start doing stuff. |
| 22:29.59 | simonrvn | Fo: and why are you building it? |
| 22:30.02 | Solet | bucky: do i just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ??? |
| 22:30.07 | cafuego | Fo: it's packaged for sarge. |
| 22:30.15 | Fo | simonrvn : i have woody |
| 22:30.42 | cafuego | Fo: So _backport_ it or upgrade to sarge, you're obviously not interested in stability. |
| 22:30.46 | abrotman | backports.org ? |
| 22:31.15 | cureless | is there a upgrade-mysql epidemic going around? I just saw this same question on a local LUG list. |
| 22:31.31 | dext0r | ;-) |
| 22:31.38 | cafuego | cureless: I think 5 is about to be released |
| 22:31.47 | simonrvn | yes. there's an old exploit. i see 3306 conns in my iptables log al lthe time |
| 22:31.49 | cureless | Fo: http://www.dotdeb.org acording to people on the list |
| 22:32.03 | abrotman | not on backports.org ? |
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| 22:32.15 | Solet | how do i install a new kernel and make it overwrite the old one? |
| 22:32.22 | cureless | it might be there too. |
| 22:32.28 | simonrvn | um, you don't want to overwrite the old one |
| 22:32.36 | evad | well, dpkg will handle that for you |
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| 22:33.00 | Solet | so all i do is: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 22:33.02 | abrotman | yes .. it's there |
| 22:33.03 | cafuego | Solet: if you overwrite the old one, you won't have a known-working bckup kernel left. |
| 22:33.08 | abrotman | Fo: /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:33.17 | abrotman | 4.1 apparently |
| 22:33.28 | Fo | ok thx, gonna try it |
| 22:33.40 | cafuego | abrotman: Is that 2.5% faster still? |
| 22:33.42 | Solet | ??? |
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| 22:33.58 | nievapros | under Debian, any one knows how I can configure things so that a startup sound file is played when the system is starting up ? I am using KDE |
| 22:34.11 | abrotman | cafuego: nfc .. i use postgresql .. :) |
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| 22:34.20 | cafuego | abrotman: you smell bad |
| 22:34.26 | abrotman | cafuego: why? |
| 22:34.28 | dabreegster | nievapros: when KDE is starting or init? |
| 22:34.28 | dondelelcaro | nievapros: play it in your .xsession before you startkde, or use whatever kde uses as the startup mechanism to do it |
| 22:34.44 | Fo | but, how exacly i can update woody to sarge ? - faq and howto on backports.org is not working |
| 22:34.45 | abrotman | cafuego: smart people smell bad? |
| 22:34.52 | cafuego | postgresql is like cabbage boiled in buttermilk |
| 22:34.54 | abrotman | !tell Fo about woody->sarge |
| 22:34.56 | nievapros | dabreegster: when KDE starts would be fine |
| 22:34.58 | dext0r | mysql vs postgresql discussion is like amd vs intel discussion....think its never gonna stop :D |
| 22:35.02 | abrotman | cafuego: i like postgresql .. far more than mysql |
| 22:35.09 | dabreegster | nievapros: dondelelcaro's advice is fine |
| 22:35.14 | cafuego | abrotman: I like nachos myself ;-) |
| 22:35.22 | abrotman | cafuego: that's an OS |
| 22:35.24 | Solet | so if i install the new kernel and dont kill the old one then i will have to choose which kernel to boot with every time? |
| 22:35.25 | Fo | I c |
| 22:35.28 | dext0r | lol |
| 22:35.33 | cafuego | abrotman: I'm referring to the food group, though. |
| 22:35.38 | abrotman | cafuego: oh ok |
| 22:35.39 | nievapros | dondelelcaro: can you give me just a little more details please ? |
| 22:35.57 | cafuego | Solet: No, it will autoboot whichever one you choose to be the default. |
| 22:35.57 | dabreegster | Solet: yeah, you can. just make sure the one you want is first on the list and it'll probably boot automatically |
| 22:36.02 | simonrvn | cafuego: i don't have the food group here |
| 22:36.18 | Solet | dabreegster: how do i do it |
| 22:36.22 | cafuego | simonrvn: There's 3. Fat, Alcohol, Nachos. |
| 22:36.28 | Solet | i tried apt-get install and it didnt work |
| 22:36.29 | dabreegster | Solet: what bootloader? I only know grub |
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| 22:36.32 | dondelelcaro | nievapros: I'm not personally familiar with the way KDE starts itself, and what scripts it uses, but the standard Debian method involves using .xsession. In .xsession you can trivially call mpg321 foofile.mp3; and have it play whilst the machine is starting |
| 22:36.32 | abrotman | cafuego: cheese ? |
| 22:36.36 | simonrvn | don't have any of those groups here |
| 22:36.41 | cafuego | abrotman: I file that under 'fat'. |
| 22:36.43 | Solet | dab: how do i install a new kernel? |
| 22:36.46 | abrotman | cafuego: oh .. ok |
| 22:36.49 | dondelelcaro | FAT IS GOOD |
| 22:37.03 | dabreegster | Solet: apt-get install kernel-image-foo where foo is the version and arch type. |
| 22:37.10 | doub | !start a filesystem way |
| 22:37.11 | Solet | i did that |
| 22:37.11 | doub | !start a filesystem war |
| 22:37.12 | nievapros | dondelelcaro: FAT is FAT :) |
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| 22:37.15 | abrotman | cafuego: why not oley? |
| 22:37.16 | Solet | and i'm still stuck in my old one |
| 22:37.21 | cafuego | abrotman: whatnow? |
| 22:37.25 | cafuego | doub: fs war |
| 22:37.26 | abrotman | err oleo |
| 22:37.32 | nievapros | dondelelcaro: .xsession would be under ~ I am assuming or /etc/X11 ? |
| 22:37.33 | doub | !start a fs war |
| 22:37.33 | dpkg | UDF is better than XFS!! |
| 22:37.35 | cafuego | abrotman: whatnow? |
| 22:37.40 | doub | cafuego: thanks |
| 22:37.46 | abrotman | cafuego: butter substitute .. i guess |
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| 22:37.52 | Solet | how do i over write my current kernel with the new one? |
| 22:37.57 | Guerin | you don't |
| 22:38.03 | abrotman | probably has low fat .. but sacharine and aspertime etc |
| 22:38.09 | cafuego | abrotman: never heard of it. 'Substitute' is an offensive term too. |
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| 22:38.15 | Solet | i dont want/need 2 kernels |
| 22:38.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:38.21 | dabreegster | Solet: you can have more than one, as long as there's enough place in /boot |
| 22:38.25 | cafuego | ooh, so it causes even more cancer |
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| 22:38.29 | cureless | send me your spare one, I collect kernels |
| 22:38.30 | dondelelcaro | nievapros: ~/.xsession |
| 22:38.32 | Guerin | Solet: you do, until you have verified that the new one works |
| 22:38.44 | nievapros | dondelelcaro: thanks for the help :) |
| 22:38.44 | dabreegster | Solet: I'd test the new to make sure it works, then delete the old one with apt-get remove kernel-image-OLD |
| 22:39.17 | Solet | guerin: i did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 and it didnt do shit |
| 22:39.41 | dabreegster | Solet: check in /boot. is it there? were there errors? did your bootloader update its list? |
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| 22:39.57 | dabreegster | Solet: if everything went well, try a reboot. if everything is well, you can remove the old one if you want |
| 22:39.57 | Guerin | Solet: what did you expect, a big turd to come seeping out of your box? |
| 22:40.02 | cafuego | cureless: Would you like my 2.0.37? I don't need it anymore |
| 22:40.03 | simonrvn | yes |
| 22:40.25 | Solet | yeah i got a bunch of 686 crap in boot |
| 22:40.34 | abrotman | 686 is such crap |
| 22:40.43 | Guerin | Solet: so fucking boot it and stop whining. |
| 22:40.49 | dabreegster | Solet: what bootloader? did you update the config file to tell it about it? |
| 22:40.51 | Solet | Guerin: no i expected it to boot in the 686 kernel |
| 22:40.56 | Solet | how??? |
| 22:41.01 | cureless | cafuego: I have a few of those lying around, the ones that I'm missing are the 2.0.1 - 2.0.15s, those I've had a hard time to come by. |
| 22:41.03 | Guerin | Solet: man shutdown |
| 22:41.10 | Solet | no fucking shit |
| 22:41.14 | dabreegster | Solet: you just installed a kernel. Not actually restarted and booted into it |
| 22:41.20 | dabreegster | Solet: what bootloader? Lilo? grub? |
| 22:41.23 | Solet | yes i restarted |
| 22:41.23 | Guerin | Solet: depending on your choice of bootloader, you may need to do some other shit |
| 22:41.25 | abrotman | cureless: kernel.org ? |
| 22:41.26 | Solet | lilo |
| 22:41.30 | Guerin | Solet: man lilo |
| 22:41.31 | cafuego | cureless: They had to die, /boot got moved to a smaller ex-swap partition after the original /boot died. |
| 22:41.39 | Solet | i restarted and it went back to 386 |
| 22:41.40 | abrotman | did you tell lilo to update? |
| 22:41.51 | dabreegster | Solet: you didnt select 386. |
| 22:41.58 | dabreegster | Solet: I mean 686 |
| 22:41.58 | cureless | abrotman: naa, I collect original ones, not source ones, it's like collecting staps without the post office seal. |
| 22:42.07 | cafuego | There's a 2.2.14 floppy here soemwhere, 686 SMP |
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| 22:42.11 | abrotman | not source ones ? |
| 22:42.16 | bucky | he's installing from cd's |
| 22:42.17 | Solet | dabreegster: i cant select something it doesnt give me an option on |
| 22:42.31 | dabreegster | Solet: tell lilo about the new kernel |
| 22:42.33 | simonrvn | he hasn't conf'ed lilo properly... |
| 22:42.33 | cureless | abrotman: are you following the joke? |
| 22:42.40 | bucky | prolly got lost in the initrd dialog |
| 22:43.01 | abrotman | cureless: no .. i got lost at hello |
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| 22:43.22 | simonrvn | "hello world!" |
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| 22:43.27 | cureless | abrotman: forget it, it wasn't funny any more |
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| 22:44.40 | abrotman | i know |
| 22:45.23 | Solet | ok removed and reinstalling 686... |
| 22:45.46 | Guerin | NO |
| 22:45.54 | Guerin | that won't help, you fucking idiot |
| 22:46.04 | Solet | it will take me back to the setup options |
| 22:46.16 | Guerin | just like taking your dirty shirt off and then putting it on again won't make it clean |
| 22:46.17 | doub | Guerin: i guess it's too late anyway |
| 22:46.38 | Solet | but if i put it on backwards the first time it gives me a chance to put it on forwards |
| 22:46.39 | dabreegster | Solet: tell lilo about the new kernel |
| 22:47.04 | Guerin | if you'd fucking read man lilo you'd see very clearly what needed doing ... if you'd actually READ the very EXPLICIT and DETAILED instructions you got upon installing the kernel, you'd also know. |
| 22:47.15 | Solet | when it asks me allsorts of stupid questions do i go with the default every time? |
| 22:47.43 | Guerin | Solet: no, you read and make a decision based on the information provided. Only if you have no clue do you just say yes. |
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| 22:47.54 | doub | Solet: if you don't know the answers, how can you consider those questions stupid? |
| 22:48.02 | Guerin | hah |
| 22:48.35 | Solet | they are stupid questions because they have been directed at me... |
| 22:48.40 | Solet | and i dont know the answers |
| 22:48.51 | dabreegster | implying that you yourself are stupid? |
| 22:48.59 | dabreegster | that's probably because you haven't read the manual |
| 22:49.03 | Solet | when it comes to linux YES |
| 22:49.09 | Solet | I DONT KNOW SHIT |
| 22:49.16 | dabreegster | well, nobody said it'd be easy. |
| 22:49.20 | Guerin | never a more honest word spoken |
| 22:49.22 | Guerin | !widhe |
| 22:49.22 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 22:49.34 | dli | anyone using intel mini pci wireless adapter? |
| 22:49.48 | doub | !anyone |
| 22:49.48 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:50.20 | Guerin | to the mines! |
| 22:50.27 | Solet | testing lilo.conf... i broke it |
| 22:50.33 | Solet | can some one help me fix it? |
| 22:50.35 | dabreegster | no surprises there |
| 22:50.49 | dabreegster | how did you break it? what'd you change? And don't flood. |
| 22:50.50 | dli | Solet: one idea, always run lilo -v |
| 22:51.13 | nievapros | dondelelcaro: are u around ? |
| 22:51.16 | dli | Solet, second thought, it's time to try grub |
| 22:51.18 | dondelelcaro | nievapros: ? |
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| 22:51.52 | nievapros | dondelelcaro: I did not find .xsession under ~/ |
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| 22:52.11 | simonrvn | so you create it... |
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| 22:52.32 | Solet | where does lilo.conf live? |
| 22:52.43 | dabreegster | Solet: /etc/, usually. or maybe /boot |
| 22:52.43 | nievapros | should be under /etc |
| 22:52.44 | cureless | /etc |
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| 22:53.41 | Solet | wow the lilo.conf means absolutely nothing.... |
| 22:53.49 | dondelelcaro | nievapros: yes, it doesn't exist in all cases. Since you're using kde, you'll have to figure out what scripts kde actually runs. |
| 22:53.52 | dabreegster | hah, says you. |
| 22:54.09 | dondelelcaro | nievapros: presumably man startkde; should give you a good starting place. |
| 22:54.15 | Solet | which one of these lines decides which kernel to boot? |
| 22:54.19 | jtaylor | I have a debian install on an athlon but am buying a new intel system to replace this server. Is it possible to just switch the hard drive into the new system? |
| 22:54.22 | cureless | Solet: if before you had a debian kernel, and now you install a debian kernel you shouldn't need to touch lilo.conf, just rerun lilo. |
| 22:54.25 | nievapros | wow, all that to just play a file while the system starts. |
| 22:54.31 | dabreegster | Solet: have you read the manual? |
| 22:54.49 | doub | jtaylor: be shure to have a generic kernel, or one suited for your arch, handy |
| 22:55.04 | Solet | dabreegster: which one |
| 22:55.05 | doub | jtaylor: apart from that, there should not be major problems |
| 22:55.12 | dabreegster | Solet: man lilo |
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| 22:55.27 | dabreegster | Solet: plus anything under /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE/ |
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| 22:56.02 | doub | dabreegster: /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE/ does not exist ;) |
| 22:56.17 | doub | (just kidding) |
| 22:56.36 | Solet | i rerun lilo i get errors out the ass |
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| 22:56.43 | Solet | i havent touched the .conf file |
| 22:56.49 | dondelelcaro | nievapros: *shrug* it's not all that complicated. |
| 22:56.51 | dabreegster | such as..? |
| 22:57.01 | dabreegster | and don't flood. |
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| 22:57.16 | nievapros | dondelelcaro: well I cannot find man pages for kde or even startkde |
| 22:57.38 | ia3264 | man pages blow |
| 22:57.44 | Solet | Warning: COMPACT may conflict with LBA32 on some systems Fatal open /vmlinuz: no such file or directory |
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| 22:57.58 | naphex | is it possible to limit the bandwidth used by a process? kind of renice, but for the bandwidth... |
| 22:58.02 | nievapros | ia3264 : women pages are better :) |
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| 22:58.04 | doub | nievapros: isn't there something like kde-session, as there is gnome-session ? |
| 22:58.05 | dabreegster | Solet: symlunk /vmlinuz to your new kernel |
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| 22:58.13 | resiak | ia3264: Are you about to go on a "OMG why do we need man pages when we have Gnome's help?!?!? GET RID OF THIS CRUFT!!!" rant? |
| 22:58.15 | dabreegster | Solet: or tell lilo to look where the new kernel can be found |
| 22:58.19 | ia3264 | no |
| 22:58.24 | ia3264 | info and howto's |
| 22:58.30 | Solet | how? |
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| 22:58.36 | nievapros | doub: well all I am trying to do is play a file when KDE is starting. thats all |
| 22:58.43 | cafuego | ia3264: rm -rf /usr/share/doc |
| 22:58.48 | ia3264 | any documentation is better than a man page |
| 22:59.04 | resiak | ia3264: Since a man page is documentation, that statement is false. |
| 22:59.05 | dondelelcaro | ia3264: well written manpages are quite useful |
| 22:59.06 | dabreegster | Solet: man ln |
| 22:59.20 | shakparl | man woman |
| 22:59.22 | ia3264 | well of course i meant any other documentation |
| 22:59.31 | dabreegster | Solet: ln -s /boot/YOURKERNEL /vmlinuz # I think |
| 22:59.33 | ia3264 | man pages are usually short, unmantained and poorly written |
| 22:59.41 | ia3264 | more like references |
| 22:59.41 | shakparl | depends on who wrote the page |
| 22:59.43 | shakparl | but yah |
| 22:59.46 | shakparl | here's all the params |
| 22:59.47 | cafuego | ia3264: I find the manpages to generally be concise and all I need. |
| 22:59.48 | shakparl | good luck |
| 22:59.49 | resiak | ia3264: If you had written "any documentation is better than or equally good as a man page" it would have been true. |
| 22:59.50 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: there are many cases of horribly written man pages, of course :( |
| 22:59.50 | doub | nievapros: i know. but remember, Linux is not Windows. as much as Gnu's Not Unix. (just a little useless rant) |
| 23:00.06 | GunZ | hey guys if i wanted to get a laptop what would you recommend? |
| 23:00.06 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: sure, but when you find them, you file bugs and patches and fix them |
| 23:00.19 | nievapros | doub: yup, so what should I do to get that working ? |
| 23:00.25 | cafuego | GunZ: an iBook, but that's just me, I suppose. |
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| 23:00.40 | GunZ | cafuego: any model in particular |
| 23:00.53 | resiak | Oh, wait, I'm meant to be an angsty teen. |
| 23:00.55 | doub | nievapros: isn't there some clicky stuff in kde for that purpose ? don't know kde |
| 23:00.57 | cafuego | GunZ: My wife got a 12" recently, very nice ad small. |
| 23:01.00 | petemc | a top of the range powerbook is the way forward |
| 23:01.08 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: feedback on manpages is not always appreceated. but then, i never tried to just mail a patch. /me will keep in mind that manpages are patchable, too ;) |
| 23:01.14 | dabreegster | resiak: Break out with the Gothic poetry. |
| 23:01.20 | nievapros | doub: I know knoppix has something it, but I am using debian now |
| 23:01.29 | dabreegster | resiak: Oh wait, that's me. |
| 23:01.30 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: In Debian, they almost always are, assuming you're being reasonable and providing patches to them |
| 23:01.31 | gravity | No gothic poetry. Please. |
| 23:01.37 | cafuego | GunZ: Mind you, it's not going to ever run Linux. |
| 23:01.42 | Solet | dabreegster: same error |
| 23:01.48 | resiak | dabreegster: How about a haiku? "My life is so shit / It is eternal winter / Now I'll slit my wrists." |
| 23:01.56 | dabreegster | How about just plain poetry? |
| 23:01.58 | doub | resiak: is any teen not meant to be, in our joyful society? |
| 23:02.04 | dabreegster | Solet: I don't know. |
| 23:02.12 | dabreegster | resiak: I don't write haikus. |
| 23:02.20 | doub | resiak: or even any man |
| 23:02.22 | cafuego | doub: the ones on smack are generally happier |
| 23:02.33 | GunZ | cafuego: ahh yeah |
| 23:02.35 | RichiH | resiak: or 'my grammar is so shit / even where i sit / please take a crap in my latte' |
| 23:02.39 | simonrvn | hey, you know, you *could* ask him/her to paste what s/he has in lilo.conf, but that'd be too hard i guess.... |
| 23:02.39 | GunZ | cafuego: was looking one that runs linuxc |
| 23:02.40 | ia3264 | i am not a teen / i could care less about them / now lets change the subject :D |
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| 23:02.47 | ia3264 | s/lets// |
| 23:02.55 | resiak | RichiH: Hahah. |
| 23:03.03 | doub | cafuego: if that's the only way, well, we have a problem somewhere |
| 23:03.11 | E-bola | I deleted my /var/log/daemon.log file, and it dont seem to re-generate it self when new messages are supposed to be logged |
| 23:03.11 | cafuego | GunZ: Then any laptop with _supported_ wireless chip pretty much. Got a budget? |
| 23:03.17 | E-bola | how can i re-establish it? |
| 23:03.20 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: i usually mail to whoever is mentioned as author, not the debian maintainers explicitly. but you have a point there, i should do both |
| 23:03.22 | doub | cafuego: not that i dislike smack users, that's not the problem |
| 23:03.25 | cafuego | E-bola: touch it |
| 23:03.27 | GunZ | cafuego: hmmm say £1000 |
| 23:03.30 | E-bola | cafuego: i tried |
| 23:03.33 | E-bola | dont work |
| 23:03.35 | GunZ | little more or less |
| 23:03.42 | cafuego | GunZ: You might be able to even get a decent amd64 laptop for that |
| 23:03.43 | E-bola | i even chmod'd and chgrp'd it the same as on another debian system |
| 23:03.51 | dabreegster | Solet: what kind of machine do you have? Say "dell" and I'll start swinging. |
| 23:03.52 | GunZ | cafuego: yeah thats what i was thinkin |
| 23:03.53 | GunZ | g |
| 23:03.57 | E-bola | shouldnt stuff like restarting apache and xinetd log to it? |
| 23:03.58 | cafuego | E-bola: Did you stop syslogs before you did that? |
| 23:03.59 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: yeah, the original authors often don't understand the point... general Debian maintainers tend to be willing to apply fixes and then attempt to get them into upstream |
| 23:04.03 | E-bola | cafuego: no |
| 23:04.07 | Solet | its a p4 machine i built |
| 23:04.24 | cafuego | E-bola: There you go, syslogd is probably still writing to the OLD filedescriptor. Kill it and restart it. |
| 23:04.28 | E-bola | ahhh |
| 23:04.30 | E-bola | thanks |
| 23:04.31 | resiak | Solet: How have you wound up with lilo rather than grub? |
| 23:04.33 | E-bola | restarting syslogd worked |
| 23:04.34 | E-bola | :) |
| 23:04.39 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: good point indeed, yes. thanks :) |
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| 23:04.55 | dabreegster | Solet: learn to apt-cache show kernel-image-FOO and read what kernel image handles what processors |
| 23:04.56 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: np |
| 23:04.57 | cafuego | GunZ: amd64, probably 1GB ram minimum... see if you can manage one with nvidia gfx, not ATI. |
| 23:05.02 | GunZ | cafuego: what are ibooks processor speeds equivalent to? |
| 23:05.05 | Solet | resiak: the first time i installed debian like 5 months ago, some one said lilo was better... |
| 23:05.14 | dabreegster | Solet: 386 will almost always work with most common processors |
| 23:05.17 | resiak | Solet: ...they were wrong. |
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| 23:05.22 | resiak | Solet: ...for your purposes. |
| 23:05.29 | dabreegster | Solet: grab grub. |
| 23:05.32 | GunZ | GunZ: why not ati? because ati doesnt support linux well? |
| 23:05.39 | cafuego | GunZ: The 1.25GHz G4 we have here is probably equivalent to a celeron 2.4, mabe a bit faster even. |
| 23:05.44 | Solet | i'm just gonna fuckin reinstall again |
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| 23:05.54 | RichiH | Solet: most people who install new boxes these days use grub |
| 23:05.54 | jazzanova | hi |
| 23:05.55 | cafuego | GunZ: Correct, especially linux amd64 |
| 23:05.55 | dabreegster | Solet: why? |
| 23:06.08 | dabreegster | Solet: entire system or kernel? Just install grub. |
| 23:06.09 | GunZ | cafuego: yeah, kind of sux |
| 23:06.11 | Solet | because i dont know how to fix it |
| 23:06.20 | simonrvn | ah, the winbloze solution, reinstall when it doesn't work as expected... |
| 23:06.26 | cafuego | GunZ: the nvidia drivers compile & work fine though. |
| 23:06.28 | jazzanova | whats a good web-app for a photo-album ? |
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| 23:06.35 | Delph | win last |
| 23:06.35 | foo | Hmm, how would I configure a printer in debian? I have a network printer on this network on a Windows XP machine that is shared. |
| 23:06.38 | GunZ | cafuego: yeah i know |
| 23:06.38 | resiak | jazzanova: Google might know. |
| 23:06.40 | doub | Solet: "apt-get install grub lilo-", you're in |
| 23:06.40 | Solet | simonrvn: exactly... cept with windows i know how to fix it |
| 23:06.50 | GunZ | cafuego: thx for the advise |
| 23:06.52 | resiak | doub: appending - means remove? o.O |
| 23:06.55 | doub | resiak: yes |
| 23:06.57 | RichiH | simonrvn: when you are new to linux, it can save you a lot of time and trouble. at the start, you should have a system That Works, even if you have to reinstall |
| 23:07.03 | resiak | doub: WHY WAS I NOT PREVIOUSLY TOLD?! |
| 23:07.16 | RichiH | matter of fact, i broke my first few installations of linux quite thouroughly ;) |
| 23:07.18 | reagent | foo: install cupsys and go to http://localhost:631 |
| 23:07.18 | cafuego | resiak: You didn't ask. |
| 23:07.21 | Solet | ok... i did that |
| 23:07.26 | resiak | cafuego: True. |
| 23:07.29 | Solet | now how do i know if it works? |
| 23:07.31 | streuner | resiak. Yelling sucks... |
| 23:07.35 | foo | reagent: Thanks |
| 23:07.35 | resiak | streuner: Sorry. |
| 23:07.44 | simonrvn | RichiH: i reinstalled once since my first install |
| 23:07.46 | doub | resiak: don't worry, santa claus really exists. these are a bunch of liars |
| 23:07.46 | streuner | resiak: you don't yell to me :-P |
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| 23:07.47 | reagent | foo: Well, thank me when it's working :) |
| 23:07.49 | cafuego | RichiH: best way to learn what not to do ;-) |
| 23:08.03 | simonrvn | @dict append |
| 23:08.09 | RichiH | resiak: you can apt-get remove foo- to install foo, too :) |
| 23:08.10 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'append' (1 of 5): add, adjoin, affix, agglutinate, annex, attach, burden, complicate, conjoin, decorate, encumber, glue on, hitch on, infix, join with, ornament, paste on, plus, postfix, prefix, put with, saddle with, slap on, subjoin, suffix, superadd, superpose, tack on, tag, tag on, take on, unite with. |
| 23:08.25 | Solet | doub: i did that: how do i know if it works? |
| 23:08.32 | RichiH | cafuego: indeed. you need to break stuff to learn other stuff, imho |
| 23:08.35 | Solet | how do i make sure its pointing at the 686 kernel? |
| 23:08.43 | resiak | RichiH: Hahah. |
| 23:08.49 | RichiH | simonrvn: since your first linux or debian install? |
| 23:08.51 | cafuego | RichiH: How if you'll excuse me, I have a new libc6 to build with gcc 4.1 |
| 23:08.54 | simonrvn | linux |
| 23:08.54 | doub | Solet: the game's not over yet. now "grub-install /dev/hda" assuming hda is your boot disk |
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| 23:09.07 | simonrvn | RichiH: though in my case they're the same |
| 23:09.15 | dabreegster | Solet: you using grub now? |
| 23:09.15 | RichiH | cafuego: don't break anything ;p |
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| 23:09.28 | cafuego | RichiH: Only my mind.. ;-) |
| 23:09.29 | RichiH | simonrvn: wow, not bad, that |
| 23:09.38 | Solet | i think it is... is there a way i could double check that? |
| 23:09.43 | E-bola | Hmmm isnt it possible to make sshd not log to syslog? |
| 23:09.45 | dabreegster | Solet: I think update-grub will do it. |
| 23:10.06 | dabreegster | Solet: yeah, make sure grub is in the MBR or wherever you want it |
| 23:10.08 | simonrvn | E-bola: yess. man sshd_config |
| 23:10.12 | simonrvn | s/ss/s/ |
| 23:10.37 | doub | Solet: by the way, if you want to know all the gory details about debian and a bit of linux, debian-reference is a safe bet |
| 23:10.39 | E-bola | simonrvn: it only lists different syslog levels, not a way to disable logging completely |
| 23:10.51 | doub | Solet: ("apt-get install debian-reference") |
| 23:11.32 | Solet | i cant get it yet its not on disk 1-3 |
| 23:12.27 | simonrvn | E-bola: i question why you'd want logging off |
| 23:12.38 | foo | reagent: ipp or lpd ? |
| 23:12.58 | E-bola | simonrvn: because i dont want the entries in my logs? |
| 23:13.09 | reagent | foo: samba or ipp |
| 23:13.11 | E-bola | i have no use for them |
| 23:13.20 | idnar | RichiH: I have Debian installed on two boxes on my network; I cloned the filesystems at one point to install the newer box, and before that, it's been upgraded all the way since I first installed hamm |
| 23:13.30 | doub | E-bola: they can be useful, say if someone breaks in |
| 23:13.44 | simonrvn | ..or tries to ;) |
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| 23:13.52 | Solet | ok i got a grub> command prompt... wtf? |
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| 23:14.03 | E-bola | doub: yes if you are afraid of somebody breaking in |
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| 23:14.07 | Tr0||_DX | in apt some program that are at revision 4 suddenlly get to 4900 is that high number signify a security patch ? |
| 23:14.10 | E-bola | i wouldnt care if thsis ystem got taken over |
| 23:14.15 | E-bola | its a test system used for other purposes |
| 23:14.16 | simonrvn | we would however |
| 23:14.18 | E-bola | re-installed regularly |
| 23:14.26 | RichiH | idnar: i can't believe there isn't some crud back from the old days in between the cracks of your system, but that's quite a feat, i admit :) |
| 23:14.33 | simonrvn | so why are you bothering to configure it? |
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| 23:14.41 | reagent | foo: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html#printing_to_windows |
| 23:14.43 | E-bola | simonrvn: to optimize it |
| 23:14.49 | simonrvn | ... |
| 23:15.00 | E-bola | But should i take u guys reluctancy as a sign of it not being possible |
| 23:15.05 | E-bola | or that you think im some osrt of hacker? |
| 23:15.20 | beardy | neither |
| 23:15.33 | foo | reagent: thanks |
| 23:15.34 | Solet | whats the absolute path to the kernel? |
| 23:15.40 | doub | E-bola: the only thing is: logs don't use much ressources, except maybe hard disk in special cases |
| 23:15.51 | doub | E-bola: and can give useful clues if something goes wrong |
| 23:15.55 | E-bola | its cluttering my var7/log folder |
| 23:15.59 | simonrvn | neither. just don't see the point |
| 23:16.05 | RichiH | Solet: is your /boot on hda1? |
| 23:16.08 | dabreegster | Solet: I dunno. It depends. for me it's /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 23:16.11 | E-bola | well do you need to see the point? hehe |
| 23:16.23 | RichiH | dabreegster: i think he is still in the grub shell |
| 23:16.25 | Tr0||_DX | in apt some program that are at revision 4 suddenlly get to 4900 is that high number signify a security patch ? |
| 23:16.39 | azeem_ | Tr0||_DX: no |
| 23:16.41 | E-bola | so woudl one way of solving it be to create a custom suyslog level? |
| 23:16.44 | resiak | E-bola: Well, you have the manuals at your disposal. We don't know because we don't see the point. You can just clean up the logs periodically. |
| 23:16.45 | dabreegster | RichiH: mmm |
| 23:16.57 | doub | E-bola: feel free to disable whatever you want, but don't complain if something goes wrong and you can't figure out |
| 23:17.02 | RichiH | night |
| 23:17.11 | Solet | crap i'm getting unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,3) |
| 23:17.13 | simonrvn | E-bola: i set it to AUTH, INFO. works for me(tm) |
| 23:17.24 | dabreegster | RichiH: not really. I just meant I'm tired of trying to help |
| 23:17.36 | E-bola | simonrvn: that will still leave lines everytime a user logs in |
| 23:17.37 | RichiH | dabreegster: /me really :) |
| 23:17.38 | E-bola | which is quite often here |
| 23:17.42 | doub | Solet: did you run update-grub ? |
| 23:17.42 | simonrvn | oh no... |
| 23:17.50 | Solet | doub yes |
| 23:17.51 | E-bola | doub: ok tell me how to disable it then :) please |
| 23:17.52 | simonrvn | rotate the logs and be happy... |
| 23:17.53 | dabreegster | it's only 18:15 here |
| 23:18.02 | doub | E-bola: i don't know, never tried to. sorry |
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| 23:18.30 | E-bola | simonrvn: kinda anti usefull to just delete as i go along, when what im trying to do is not get the entries at all |
| 23:18.50 | RichiH | Solet: if your /boot is on /dev/hda1, you would have to do root hd(0,0), setup hd(0,0), kernel hd(0,0)/vmlinuz-... initrd hd(0,0)/initrd-... boot |
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| 23:19.07 | RichiH | Solet: from within the grub shell, where i presume you are stuck |
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| 23:19.24 | doub | E-bola: configure logrotate to suit your needs, ie just keep 1 day logs or the like |
| 23:19.28 | E-bola | hmmmm |
| 23:19.29 | simonrvn | ok. so you'd prefer wasting our time here instead of reading the man page i indicated i suppose. WHICH DOES DETAIL HOW TO DO THIS |
| 23:19.33 | Solet | no i mounted the kernel then booted and it died |
| 23:19.41 | RichiH | sorry, but i really need my bed - but between google, this channel and what i just said, you can get it to work :) |
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| 23:19.51 | E-bola | auth.* /dev/null |
| 23:19.52 | simonrvn | ignored |
| 23:19.54 | dabreegster | Solet: with what error |
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| 23:20.01 | E-bola | i guess i should just be able to put that in syslod.conf |
| 23:20.12 | Solet | unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,3) |
| 23:20.25 | nievapros | what do you guys suggest for making an encrypted partition under debian and mount it only as needed ? |
| 23:20.29 | dabreegster | Solet: no clue. |
| 23:20.34 | doub | Solet: you must have something like root=/dev/hda5 on your "kernel" line (assuming hda5 is your root partition) |
| 23:20.46 | Solet | fuck it i'll start from scrap tomorrow when i get home from work |
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| 23:21.08 | Solet | wont lose any ground... havent even begun setting things up |
| 23:21.22 | Solet | i just want to get that god damned fucking acx100 module working |
| 23:21.27 | Solet | so my wifi card will work |
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| 23:21.51 | doub | Solet: keep cool, take a beer, and relax |
| 23:22.22 | Solet | i was sooo fucking close to having it work too.... |
| 23:22.25 | dabreegster | Solet: I've found that when working with Linux, learn to have fun and learn something along the ride. |
| 23:22.35 | Solet | then some one in here suggests "updating your kernel will fix your problem" |
| 23:22.58 | Solet | dabreegster: fuck fun... i need this machine up and working so i can start working |
| 23:23.04 | doub | Solet: maybe it will, you just digged another problem along the way |
| 23:23.09 | cureless | Solet: [paradox] don't trust what you read on IRC. |
| 23:23.32 | Solet | i make no money setting up the motherfucker... the money cant be made till it works |
| 23:23.35 | dabreegster | Solet: Sorry, can't help. I'm a kid (literally here) and my philosophy is to have fun and learn something. |
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| 23:23.58 | Solet | does anyone know EXACTLY how to install the acx100 module? |
| 23:24.17 | cafuego | modprobe acx100? |
| 23:24.28 | Solet | doesnt work if its not compiled |
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| 23:24.35 | Solet | wont compile with out headers |
| 23:24.36 | samuel | sup all |
| 23:24.40 | Solet | cant get all headers |
| 23:24.44 | cafuego | You didn't ask about compiling did you? |
| 23:24.57 | Solet | i have no means of getting a compiled version |
| 23:25.01 | Solet | i cant find one |
| 23:25.06 | samuel | once ive used modprobe such-and-such do i have to do it every time i restart my computer? |
| 23:25.16 | cafuego | Solet: then you need 1) Compiler 2) kernel source/headers 3) module source |
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| 23:25.28 | cureless | samuel: no, you can add modules to /etc/modules |
| 23:25.36 | thegraham | How do I get exim4 to use authenticated SMTP for my smarthost? |
| 23:25.47 | samuel | cureless, thanks! |
| 23:26.12 | resiak | Solet: I'd suggest that you reinstall, and choose Grub. Then apt-get install kernel-{image,headers}-2.6.8-2-686 build-esssential ; reboot with your shiny new kernel, build, modprobe acx100, echo acx100 >> /etc/modules |
| 23:26.24 | cafuego | "Need to get 239MB of archives." |
| 23:26.26 | cafuego | ouch? |
| 23:26.31 | jtaylor | does the debian installer allow setting up of a raid1 device of the 2 HDS i have in my machine and installing on this device? |
| 23:26.38 | azeem_ | thegraham: /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
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| 23:26.44 | cafuego | jtaylor: The sarge one does, yes. |
| 23:26.47 | caphuso | thegraham: check /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.SMTP-AUTH and the bottom of /etc/exim4/conf.d/auth/30_exim4-config_examples |
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| 23:26.59 | thegraham | thanks |
| 23:27.05 | Solet | resiak: can you pm me just the commands that i use to do it? |
| 23:27.08 | technos | jtaylor: Root mounted software raid-1? Yer asking for a headache. :) |
| 23:27.27 | jtaylor | technos, why? |
| 23:27.31 | cafuego | jtaylor: Boot the cd as 'exper26' and it will be an option in the menu. |
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| 23:27.37 | cafuego | 'expert26' even |
| 23:27.47 | cafuego | technos: It works fine for me. |
| 23:27.47 | jtaylor | cafuego, oh ok... i was wondering why i didnt see it anymore |
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| 23:27.59 | cafuego | jtaylor: Just DO NOT use xfs or reiserfs. |
| 23:28.00 | technos | jtaylor: It just tends to be a pain in the butt from time to time is all. |
| 23:28.02 | resiak | Solet: apt-get install kernel-{image,headers}-2.6.8-2-686 build-essential; reboot; $commands-to-build-and-install-the-module--i-don't-know-them; modprobe acx100; echo acx100 >> /etc/modules |
| 23:28.04 | jtaylor | cafuego, do you suggest putting swap on raid1? |
| 23:28.10 | phpcoder | hi guys |
| 23:28.14 | jtaylor | cafuego, i plan on using ext3 |
| 23:28.24 | phpcoder | i've got probs with winetools |
| 23:28.37 | cafuego | jtaylor: Nah, leave the swap off raid, so you have 2 swap partitions. |
| 23:28.38 | nievapros | help for perl: when I try to do run a perl file I get: -bash: ./file.pl: /usr/local/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory any ideas ??? |
| 23:28.51 | phpcoder | debian unstable |
| 23:28.54 | cureless | jtaylor: swap on raid is not the best thing. But on _certain_ conditions it'll speed up swap, though more memory is probably better. |
| 23:28.59 | resiak | !tell phpcoder -about enter |
| 23:29.01 | jtaylor | cafuego, its a small web server that in the future id prefer to not have to restore from backups |
| 23:29.04 | resiak | !vaguenesssmite phpcoder |
| 23:29.08 | resiak | !tell phpcoder -about sid faq |
| 23:29.10 | dabreegster | nievapros: is perl in /usr/local/bin/? probably in /usr/share/bin |
| 23:29.13 | resiak | !tell phpcoder -about bts |
| 23:29.23 | caphuso | nievapros: /usr/bin/perl |
| 23:29.25 | nievapros | dabreegster: it works now if I do perl file.pl |
| 23:29.30 | dabreegster | nievapros: er, /usr/bin |
| 23:29.31 | cafuego | nievapros: Your perl binary is not in /usr/local/bin |
| 23:29.51 | dabreegster | nievapros: which perl |
| 23:30.01 | Moonscope | question on driver failure: I had this system working nicely, turned it on this morning and eth0 wont come up, when i do ifup eth0 i get this message "kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k net-pf-17, errno = 2" any help appreciated. |
| 23:30.03 | cafuego | Hmm. Micro-atx box for AU$490 :-) |
| 23:30.12 | dabreegster | nievapros: and make that your shebang line |
| 23:30.13 | Solet | m-a a-i acx100 builds and installs the module right? |
| 23:30.22 | nievapros | I guess I cn put a symbolic link under /usr/local/bin from /usr/bin/ |
| 23:30.25 | dabreegster | nievapros: well, yeah. it's finding the interpreter now. |
| 23:30.25 | cafuego | Solet: Did you run it to see what happens? |
| 23:30.37 | Solet | cafuego: no machine no longer boots |
| 23:30.44 | Solet | need to reinstall |
| 23:30.45 | cureless | Moonscope: what was the last thing you did? |
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| 23:30.54 | Moonscope | cureless: shutdown the server. |
| 23:31.12 | Moonscope | cureless: b4 that installed qmail with some addons |
| 23:31.18 | cureless | Moonscope: did you install anything (kernel/drivers), removed anything, etc? |
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| 23:31.32 | Solet | when i ran it before it died and gave me errors that i did not have the power to fix |
| 23:31.39 | cureless | Moonscope: when was the last time you booted, what does `dmesg` give you related to eth0? |
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| 23:32.07 | Moonscope | cureless: i did do alot of package installs b4 shutting down |
| 23:32.08 | Moonscope | and upgrading |
| 23:32.08 | Moonscope | umm, b4 installing all the stuff. |
| 23:32.16 | Moonscope | so it must have happened while installing all the stuff i did. |
| 23:32.20 | Moonscope | what is dmesg? |
| 23:32.20 | riot | http://www.i-cams.org/ |
| 23:32.23 | resiak | Solet: Probably. |
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| 23:32.36 | resiak | Solet: (wrt m-a a-i acx100) |
| 23:32.38 | nievapros | to add a path for $PATH under Debian, what should I do ? |
| 23:32.42 | cureless | Moonscope: what distro are you running? What is your network card? |
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| 23:32.47 | jtaylor | cafuego, i should tell it to load the md config module? |
| 23:32.47 | riot | please! Read tbis! It's about our freedom! |
| 23:32.50 | resiak | !tell Moonscope -about enter |
| 23:33.02 | Moonscope | debian & realtek chipset |
| 23:33.11 | resiak | riot: Short answer: No. That's offtopic. |
| 23:33.15 | cureless | Moonscope: what debian? |
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| 23:33.49 | riot | I know. But we should try and reach as many people as possible with this. |
| 23:33.49 | Moonscope | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 23:34.01 | riot | (You ever read 1984?) |
| 23:34.04 | resiak | riot: We probably all already know. |
| 23:34.40 | cureless | riot: do you get enough vitamin A? that's imporant too. But this is not the place. |
| 23:34.47 | cafuego | riot: yes we did. We also know you didn't. |
| 23:34.52 | Solet | resiak: if its a fresh install whats the purpose of apt-get installing the same kerneal-image again? |
| 23:34.52 | cureless | BTW, 1984, great book. |
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| 23:34.56 | nievapros | lol |
| 23:35.07 | cafuego | riot: if you want to find out HOW we know, read 1984. |
| 23:35.27 | nievapros | to add a new path for $PATH under Debian, what should I do ? |
| 23:35.42 | samuel | animal farm is better |
| 23:35.46 | samuel | i thought |
| 23:35.51 | Guerin | better for what? |
| 23:35.57 | resiak | Solet: Because that new kernel doesn't automatically install, and the install kernel is buggy. |
| 23:35.59 | Guerin | they're about different things |
| 23:36.01 | leo | What's the name of the mplayer package in the debian pool? |
| 23:36.04 | samuel | what cafuego said |
| 23:36.06 | cafuego | nievapros: set 'export PATH=/some/path:$PATH" in your .$SHELLrc |
| 23:36.09 | cureless | naah, 1984 > animal farm |
| 23:36.10 | Guerin | leo: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 23:36.16 | Moonscope | cureless: 2.2.20-idepci |
| 23:36.28 | Solet | resiak: i have to expert26 at the install boot |
| 23:36.32 | Guerin | grrr, ion3 seems to grab my alt keystrokes |
| 23:36.33 | resiak | Solet: You do? Why? |
| 23:36.45 | Solet | it gets stuck looking for my cdrom... |
| 23:36.48 | riot | Guerin: modify your meta key in ion's config. |
| 23:36.54 | cureless | Moonscope: that's not the debian version, its your kernel version. Now, run dmesg, see if the output says anything about eth0 |
| 23:37.00 | nievapros | cafuego: thanks |
| 23:37.08 | riot | Guerin: try using your odd windoze-key.. so now it has a logical function: manage windows. |
| 23:37.10 | resiak | Solet: Does linux26 not work? |
| 23:37.10 | Guerin | yeah, i should read about that sometime |
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| 23:37.23 | resiak | Solet: In any case -- why is using expert26 such a problem? |
| 23:37.25 | TheMoebius | does anyone know why my logon screen would be too big to fit on the screen (making me scroll around the edges) but when I actually get into my account it fits fine? |
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| 23:37.31 | Guerin | riot: yeah, that makes sense - i have the other one bound to compose |
| 23:37.39 | Moonscope | cureless: its the woody mini install |
| 23:37.47 | cureless | the windows-right-click key screwed me over. I use it for compose and now my IBM laptop doesn't have one. |
| 23:38.04 | Moonscope | cureless: eth0: RealTek RTL8139 Fast Ethernet at 0xd800, IRC 9, 00:0a... |
| 23:38.05 | Solet | i didnt say it was.... i was just wondering why i'd have to install the kernel again.... |
| 23:38.14 | simonrvn | riot: that page needs editing, .ca citizens have to have passports now; and register too |
| 23:38.34 | cureless | Moonscope: if you run ifconfig eth0 do you get anything? |
| 23:38.50 | dabreegster | resiak: you've got tux keys? sweet. maybe I should spraypaint over my VT-managin' windoze keys |
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| 23:38.55 | Moonscope | cureless: yes, but it doesnt pickup an ip address like it used to |
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| 23:39.02 | resiak | riot: Yes. It's very nice for typing. But do NOT buy it -- you need kernel patches for some of the keys over USB :-/ |
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| 23:39.11 | simonrvn | riot: can i /msg you? |
| 23:39.14 | riot | resiak: lol.. i heard about that :) |
| 23:39.17 | Moonscope | cureless: UP BROADCAST RuNNING MULTICAST |
| 23:39.21 | cureless | Moonscope: so if you type ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1 do you get an error? |
| 23:39.23 | riot | simonrvn: yes, you can. |
| 23:39.23 | resiak | riot: Some of them just don't work at all, and several allegedly distinct keys are indistinguishable to X |
| 23:39.32 | resiak | dabreegster: It's a gimmick :) |
| 23:39.38 | resiak | dabreegster: directhex has them too. |
| 23:39.39 | Moonscope | no |
| 23:39.47 | riot | resiak: And that calls itself a linux-keyboard... |
| 23:39.50 | samuel | btw - does anyone know whats going on in mexico? any news in the rest of the world? |
| 23:39.53 | Moonscope | dont tell me that its just not getting an ip adddress? |
| 23:39.55 | cureless | Moonscope: your problem is with not getting an address then. |
| 23:39.59 | Moonscope | BAH |
| 23:40.05 | cafuego | samuel: no? |
| 23:40.11 | Moonscope | cureless: why couldnt i ifup eth0 then? |
| 23:40.22 | cureless | Moonscope: do ifconfig eth0 again, do you see the address there? (10.0.0.1) |
| 23:40.22 | resiak | riot: Yeah... The kernel patches could go into upstream, though ... except that the ones they ship don't work on newer 2.6s, so I had to manually hax it into live :) |
| 23:40.42 | Moonscope | cureless: yeah |
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| 23:41.00 | riot | resiak: it's utter bullshit. My logitech has LOTS'O'extrakeys.. they ALL work. So, what is the problem, cherry has? |
| 23:41.09 | samuel | cafuego, oh, just wondering - the biggest demonstration ever in the history of mexico was last two days ago - 1.2 m ppl marched through the streets to the central plaza - i was one of them |
| 23:41.14 | cafuego | samuel: I bet it's not as important as the australian camel culls. |
| 23:41.14 | resiak | riot: How many extras do you have? |
| 23:41.28 | samuel | cafuego, hahaha - no, not that important |
| 23:41.35 | cureless | Moonscope: if you configured dhcp before do "/etc/init.d/networking restart" see if you get an address now. Otherwise check your network connection. |
| 23:41.37 | cafuego | CHEAP CAMEL MINCE!!! |
| 23:41.43 | resiak | riot: FWIW, I've perused that particular bit of kernel, and there's no way that all 29 extras could be coped with without patching. They work just fine on Windows, so it's a Linux problem. |
| 23:41.49 | riot | resiak: 19 plus two wheels. Thats a logitech internet deluxe keyboard. |
| 23:41.49 | Guerin | samuel: the important distinction between 1984 and animal farm is in tone and perspective. One is satire, one isn't. One is from the perspective of a victim, the other isn't. |
| 23:41.56 | cureless | Moonscope: if you did not configure dhcp before then you need to do that or run "dhclient eth0" |
| 23:42.06 | resiak | riot: Sure, and all bar 8 of these keys work without patching :) |
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| 23:42.26 | cureless | Guerin: victim? who? Winston? he wasn't a victim, he was just not part of the system. |
| 23:42.49 | directhex | teh tuxar keyboardz0r lololololo http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/linuxgaming/bloodline.jpg |
| 23:43.08 | Moonscope | same error cureless |
| 23:43.20 | cureless | Moonscope: on what command? |
| 23:43.34 | Moonscope | cureless: dhclient etho |
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| 23:43.59 | Moonscope | cureless: i think it doesnt like searching for a dhcp address. |
| 23:44.06 | cafuego | !rima directhex |
| 23:44.07 | dpkg | directhex: Si usted no puede hablar ingles, va el #debian-es o apenas sale. |
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| 23:44.34 | cureless | Moonscope: I don't run woody so I'm not aware of the latest changes, but, when was the last time you rebooted? |
| 23:44.36 | Guerin | cureless: heh, let's argue about that, shall we :) |
| 23:44.47 | Moonscope | cureless: friday |
| 23:44.48 | cureless | Guerin: :-) |
| 23:45.01 | Moonscope | cureless: i shutdown on friday, booted up this morning and got this problem |
| 23:45.07 | jetdotnet | gibson sg |
| 23:45.11 | Moonscope | was all working fine on friday |
| 23:45.16 | cureless | Moonscope: but _before_ that, when was the last time you rebooted/ |
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| 23:45.24 | Guerin | samuel: that doesn't mean they're about the same THING. |
| 23:45.28 | cureless | s#/#?# |
| 23:45.36 | Moonscope | cureless: ummm thursday |
| 23:46.07 | cafuego | directhex: Haha! You'll be hard-pressed to find a FLOPPY DISK to store that on. |
| 23:46.27 | Guerin | samuel: don't message me, please... |
| 23:46.32 | directhex | cafuego, i have a brand new floppy drive, which i fitted today, thankyousoverymuch |
| 23:46.32 | cureless | Moonscope: and you always use dhcp... |
| 23:46.47 | cafuego | directhex: Though the handlr you settled on it's quite as bad as your previous proposals. |
| 23:46.59 | Moonscope | cureless: yup |
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| 23:47.32 | cafuego | Sheesh, ram prices have come down nicely |
| 23:47.54 | directhex | hey, my file server lives again! -rw-rw-rw- 1 directhex directhex 694M 2004-05-02 23:57 /mnt/gir/video/Movies/Hackers.avi |
| 23:48.09 | TheMoebius | whats the command to manually install a .deb file? |
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| 23:48.21 | Guerin | TheMoebius: man dpkg |
| 23:48.24 | directhex | dpkg -i nipples.deb |
| 23:48.26 | cafuego | directhex: HA! I have the actual DVD. |
| 23:48.27 | fo | hi, i just upgraded from woody to sarge, downloaded the mysql4.0 sources from sources.dotdeb.org and trying to configure it .. but it hangs on : config.status : error: cannot find input file Docs/Makefile.in :/ |
| 23:48.27 | Ketter | TheMoebius: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 23:48.36 | TheMoebius | ok |
| 23:48.44 | directhex | cafuego, it's on my to-buy list |
| 23:48.46 | resiak | fo: autogen.sh ? |
| 23:49.06 | directhex | !info mysql-server sarge |
| 23:49.08 | cureless | I just saw it on cable 2 days ago. |
| 23:49.11 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 3558 kB, Installed size: 8604 kB |
| 23:49.19 | directhex | why do you want sources for mysql, fo? |
| 23:49.45 | fo | i want to configure it with for an instance charset=latin2 |
| 23:49.46 | cafuego | directhex: Fo thinks it's better to compile the tarball than to install (or build) a backport. |
| 23:49.47 | resiak | directhex: "why do you want sources for mysql, fo' sheezy?" ? |
| 23:49.48 | Guerin | grrr, the ion documentation is timing out |
| 23:49.57 | resiak | cafuego: Hell, he's on Sarge. |
| 23:50.08 | dli | how to get the current cpu clock speed? /proc/cpuinfo only shows the model speed |
| 23:50.09 | resiak | s/he/$gender_neutral_pronoun/ |
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| 23:50.17 | cafuego | fo: get the source deb, rebuild it after editing options in debian/rules |
| 23:50.33 | cafuego | or simply add -funroll-loops to your USE flags. |
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| 23:51.14 | nievapros | hey guys, when I try to open netscape from /usr/bin/netscape, I get the following: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, then Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 Am running it as regular user. Any ideas ? |
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| 23:51.45 | cafuego | you wouldn't dare! |
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| 23:52.30 | cureless | Moonscope: do "lsmod | grep packet" |
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| 23:53.08 | Moonscope | cureless: i dont have lsmod, command not found. |
| 23:53.10 | DekaPink | Hey all. :) |
| 23:53.22 | cureless | Moonscope: /bin/lsmod |
| 23:53.46 | Moonscope | cureless: tisn't there. |
| 23:54.09 | Moonscope | cureless: what is the package called, might need to install it |
| 23:54.26 | liable_ | Moonscope: as root |
| 23:54.36 | Moonscope | liable_: yeah, im root |
| 23:55.16 | Moonscope | it doesnt exist; any idea what the package is so i an apt it? |
| 23:55.37 | cafuego | Moonscope: it's there, in /sbin |
| 23:55.43 | *** part/#debian TheMoebius (~TheMoebiu@c-67-164-71-254.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:55.57 | tictac | /usr/lib/menu is the default menu location, correct? |
| 23:56.04 | Guerin | window managers and terminal emulators which steal special keystrokes make me hate |
| 23:56.08 | Moonscope | cafuego: i cant see it there, and locate doesnt find it. |
| 23:56.23 | Ketter | Moonscope: use find |
| 23:56.32 | cafuego | Moonscope: Did your install finish properly? |
| 23:56.33 | Ketter | Moonscope: or run a updatedb first |
| 23:56.57 | cureless | Moonscope: "dpkg --list modutils" |
| 23:57.10 | *** part/#debian neemz (rar@192.150.182.29) |
| 23:57.12 | resiak | Guerin: gnome-terminal! |
| 23:57.21 | cafuego | modutils OR module-init-tools |
| 23:57.25 | Ketter | that realy made me feel at home |
| 23:57.27 | cureless | cafuego: he's on 2.2 |
| 23:57.36 | cafuego | modutils it is, then |
| 23:57.46 | Moonscope | i would love to upgrade, but fear for breaking something |
| 23:57.56 | Ketter | Moonscope: like ? |
| 23:58.02 | cureless | Moonscope: "dpkg --list modutils" |
| 23:58.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 808] by debhelper |
| 23:58.03 | cafuego | Moonscope: What do you think you might break? |
| 23:58.05 | Moonscope | 2.6 or something |
| 23:58.11 | Moonscope | umm, the system :) |
| 23:58.18 | cafuego | Moonscope: Nah, go 2.4 - you'll be right. |
| 23:58.18 | Moonscope | never done a kernal upgrade |
| 23:58.29 | *** part/#debian paulswm (unknown@103.99.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 23:58.29 | resiak | !kernal |
| 23:58.30 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 23:58.34 | *** join/#debian illuminate (illu@p54A9FD1E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:58.35 | Moonscope | cafuego: the modutils version is 2.4.15-1 |
| 23:58.37 | *** join/#debian jcurry (~jcurry@mcha-aa022.taconic.net) |
| 23:58.38 | cureless | it's only painful the first time. :-) |
| 23:58.42 | jcurry | Some of my https connections always reliably time out, and never connect...i am on dialup and tunnel my connection through privoxy and squid...is there a time out value i can raise...or some other option? and help appreciated |
| 23:59.07 | Moonscope | well, i guess i can try |
| 23:59.07 | cafuego | Moonscope: dpkg -L modutils | grep lsmod |
| 23:59.20 | jcurry | congrats, Overfiend! |
| 23:59.24 | cureless | Moonscope: or dpkg -S /sbin/lsmod |
| 23:59.28 | Moonscope | cafuego: nothing |
| 23:59.36 | cafuego | Hmm, try /bin/lsmod |
| 23:59.43 | Guerin | resiak: yeah, xterm is the one that makes me hate most. |
| 23:59.52 | resiak | Guerin: Hmm? |
| 23:59.54 | Moonscope | cureless: cafuego: found nothing in both |
