| 00:00.02 | Moonscope | is it worth doing the kernal upgrade? |
| 00:00.06 | cafuego | Moonscope: apt-get install --reinstall modutils |
| 00:00.06 | Moonscope | !kernal |
| 00:00.07 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 00:00.09 | Moonscope | damn. |
| 00:00.24 | Overfiend | jcurry: for what/ :) |
| 00:00.25 | cafuego | !magic hate ball |
| 00:00.25 | Guerin | resiak: grabs left alt by default ... my laptop only has one alt. |
| 00:00.30 | Overfiend | s@/@?@ |
| 00:00.35 | cureless | Moonscope: so what kind of update did you do on friday? |
| 00:00.47 | cureless | Overfiend: visiting the ranks? |
| 00:00.49 | Moonscope | cureless: umm, installed alot of lib module |
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| 00:01.03 | samuel | anyone know of a cpu-intensive program? i want to test cpufreq |
| 00:01.07 | Guerin | the grand ole smackdown on /.? |
| 00:01.14 | jcurry | Overfiend, for, um, just being a great guy, of course. :) |
| 00:01.16 | Guerin | samuel: make :) |
| 00:01.47 | cureless | Moonscope: please sit down ... I'm sorry to tell you something when wrong with your system. |
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| 00:01.51 | samuel | Guerin, hmmm..... now where did i leave those kernel sources...... |
| 00:01.52 | directhex | man, can't spend any time on irc without tripping over a DPL these days |
| 00:02.00 | Overfiend | jcurry: thanks! |
| 00:02.04 | Moonscope | cureless: i expected as much |
| 00:02.19 | cureless | samuel: download something@home (seti or one of those protein folding things) |
| 00:02.33 | resiak | Guerin: What does it do with it? |
| 00:02.37 | Ketter | Moonscope: so something did break your system, even without a kernel upgrade :) |
| 00:02.40 | samuel | cureless, thanks, i like the idea! |
| 00:02.44 | Moonscope | lol |
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| 00:02.46 | Guerin | resiak: uses it to make stupid alternate characters |
| 00:02.53 | resiak | Guerin: That's what AltGr is for! |
| 00:03.01 | Guerin | resiak: instead of passing it through to apps like emacs, which NEED a meta key |
| 00:03.03 | Moonscope | Ketter: maybe a kernal upgrade will fix it ;) |
| 00:03.14 | jcurry | now, if someone could help me with my problem, it would make my day...as it stands, shopping online sucks |
| 00:03.17 | resiak | Guerin: vi! |
| 00:03.18 | Guerin | resiak: this is the heart of the reason I use rxvt instead of xterm |
| 00:03.30 | Ketter | Moonscope: try it, it might, but I doubt it.. it's a bit of black hate magic from a distance |
| 00:03.37 | resiak | Guerin: Hell, I use urxvt because it has a less pronouncable name ;) |
| 00:03.40 | cureless | Moonscope: since I can't see the system I can't say much, but I would upgrade everything and/or reinstall. Then again, maybe all you need is only the modutils package. |
| 00:04.01 | Guerin | resiak: don't lie, you use it because you didn't have to write your own config for it :) |
| 00:04.05 | Moonscope | yeah thx. |
| 00:04.19 | cureless | Moonscope: did you try the --reinstall fix? |
| 00:04.30 | Guerin | graah, what's the damn console tool which tells me what key I'm pressing? |
| 00:04.31 | resiak | Guerin: I was using it before you gave me yours :) |
| 00:04.32 | Moonscope | goto fix the network issue so i can apt :) |
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| 00:04.45 | resiak | Guerin: And yours isn't transparent, is it? |
| 00:04.45 | Guerin | resiak: I was using it before I stole helix's :) |
| 00:04.51 | Guerin | hell no |
| 00:05.03 | helix | what did you steal of mine? |
| 00:05.10 | Guerin | helix: rxvt config |
| 00:05.14 | cureless | Moonscope: and you need to fix the modutils to get the network up. |
| 00:05.15 | helix | aha |
| 00:05.21 | jcurry | Guerin, you want xev |
| 00:05.23 | helix | it's l33t especially with my .Xresources |
| 00:05.25 | Guerin | helix: it came up on google, would you believe :) |
| 00:05.30 | jcurry | Some of my https connections always reliably time out, and never connect...i am on dialup and tunnel my connection through privoxy and squid...is there a time out value i can raise...or some other option? and help appreciated |
| 00:05.31 | Moonscope | cureless: im manually assigning the ip/gateway so it will work |
| 00:05.34 | helix | Guerin: yes, the rxvt author makes fun of it |
| 00:05.36 | helix | :( |
| 00:05.36 | Guerin | jcurry: because xev is a CONSOLE tool |
| 00:05.42 | Guerin | helix: haha |
| 00:05.50 | helix | I should email him |
| 00:05.55 | jcurry | Guerin, oh, sorry |
| 00:05.55 | helix | Y U H8 MY CONFIGZ |
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| 00:06.09 | resiak | helix: Append a :(((( LOL |
| 00:06.16 | helix | good idea |
| 00:06.39 | helix | I'm sayin', I spent a LONG time on that file |
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| 00:06.48 | helix | and he's got nothin' but venom for me |
| 00:06.50 | Guerin | helix: not as much time as on your muttrc |
| 00:07.00 | Epix | my compiuter freezes on download sometimes. its currently frozen. cant do ANYTHING not even respond to ping! im using WG111 and ndis for wireless networking! help!!! |
| 00:07.06 | helix | Guerin: hmm, maybe not |
| 00:07.31 | aardvark | !tell Epix about ep |
| 00:08.12 | Epix | sorry aardvark, but can you help? |
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| 00:08.35 | aardvark | no, you need to be more vague. |
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| 00:09.21 | simba_ | xchatr c enorme |
| 00:09.22 | simba_ | lol |
| 00:10.27 | cureless | Moonscope: don't msg me, msg the channel |
| 00:10.37 | Moonscope | what does this mean |
| 00:10.38 | Moonscope | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 00:10.38 | Moonscope | /dev/hda1 -600505588535 1 0 2% / |
| 00:10.46 | Moonscope | it seems screwy |
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| 00:11.31 | Ketter | Moonscope: df -h ? |
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| 00:11.50 | Moonscope | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 00:11.50 | Moonscope | /dev/hda1 -9564707033688k 1.0k 0.0k 2% / |
| 00:12.00 | Ketter | ooh boy |
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| 00:12.13 | Moonscope | she screwed? |
| 00:12.18 | Ketter | whom ? |
| 00:12.27 | Moonscope | my filesystem |
| 00:12.29 | Epix | ok. i think it may be the nvedia drivers. i read some stuff (forms/logs) and found that the nv driver is the likely problem. how can i replace it with Vesa? |
| 00:12.46 | Ketter | Moonscope: I don't think it's your file system.. |
| 00:13.00 | Moonscope | Ketter: my partition? |
| 00:13.09 | shingouz | Epix: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 00:13.26 | Ketter | Moonscope: might.. but take in account the lsmod issue.. |
| 00:13.38 | Epix | .msg dpkg drxx |
| 00:13.41 | Epix | opps |
| 00:13.44 | shingouz | :) |
| 00:13.51 | Moonscope | Ketter: yeah, i tried doing an apt-get update and it gave me an dont have enough room to save error |
| 00:14.05 | Ketter | Moonscope: could mean that this is a structural issue. |
| 00:14.10 | Ketter | Moonscope: cute.. |
| 00:14.14 | Guerin | hrm, xev seems to be broken |
| 00:14.50 | Epix | shingouz: heh... thanks |
| 00:15.01 | Ketter | Moonscope: can you recall what kind of disk you got in there, and if it's realy filled up ? |
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| 00:15.11 | shingouz | epix np |
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| 00:15.32 | Ketter | Moonscope: otherwise it might be wise to just start all over, and make some kind of a backup of what you don't want to miss in the (near)future. |
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| 00:15.42 | Moonscope | Ketter: its a 40giger, seagate barracuda 2 or 3, i had it partitioned in 35 / 4gig partition |
| 00:15.46 | Epix | shingouz: but, the vesa driver is weak, is there anything better than it which isnt the nv driver? |
| 00:15.56 | Ketter | Moonscope: 35 ? |
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| 00:16.04 | Ketter | Moonscope: what in heavens where you thinking ? |
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| 00:16.25 | shingouz | Epix: message dpkg again. this time "nv" and "nvidia" |
| 00:16.30 | Ketter | Moonscope: honestly, what were you thinking :) |
| 00:16.31 | Moonscope | Ketter: ummm i dont know, shouldnt it be that big? |
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| 00:16.44 | Ketter | Moonscope: a partition ? |
| 00:16.57 | cafuego | Ketter: What's wrong with huge partitions? |
| 00:17.10 | Moonscope | Ketter: i was partioning the HDD for linx & swap |
| 00:17.11 | Ketter | cafuego: nothing.. |
| 00:17.28 | cafuego | 4Gb swap is perhaps a bit much, though ;-) |
| 00:17.41 | resiak | 4gb swap!? |
| 00:17.47 | Moonscope | is that too much? |
| 00:17.50 | Moonscope | does it matter |
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| 00:18.25 | Ketter | Moonscope: well, anyways.. it doesn't realy change your problem |
| 00:18.35 | Ketter | Moonscope: is shouldn't affect df |
| 00:18.36 | cafuego | Moonscope: Well, you could in theory end up with a buggy program causing your machien to swap out 4GB, making it fully unusable. |
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| 00:18.59 | Moonscope | hmm, i think im going to start again from scratch |
| 00:18.59 | GustavoSe | Do you want to help someone? Know how, and know the story an http://helpmeplease.cjb.net |
| 00:19.01 | caphuso | or you could put a decent sized tmpfs on /tmp |
| 00:19.02 | Moonscope | new HDD as well |
| 00:19.14 | cafuego | Moonscope: What kernel/libc version you on at the moment? |
| 00:19.21 | Guerin | GustavoSe: wtf |
| 00:19.23 | Moonscope | kernal 2.2.0 |
| 00:19.28 | Guerin | !kernal |
| 00:19.28 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
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| 00:19.36 | Moonscope | cafuego: how do i find the libc version? |
| 00:19.39 | abrotman | !beer caphuso |
| 00:19.44 | caphuso | that must have been the most stupid spam ever |
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| 00:19.58 | cafuego | caphuso: yes, but i'd probably split that into a 1Gb swap, 1 GB tmp and 2 GB /var/log |
| 00:20.03 | abrotman | caphuso: didn't you see pamela anderson earlier? |
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| 00:20.52 | caphuso | abrotman: not in the last 5 years |
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| 00:21.11 | abrotman | caphuso: she was here earlier with win32 exe's |
| 00:21.48 | ia3264 | exe's with viruses |
| 00:21.50 | caphuso | abrotman: well, her career as an actor isn't working too well lately, and everyone needs some income... |
| 00:21.52 | ia3264 | like hepititus |
| 00:21.58 | abrotman | caphuso: but she has a sitcom! |
| 00:21.59 | leo | I'm using KDE, where can I find out which one: ARTS or ESD sound daemon I'm using? |
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| 00:22.13 | Fryguy-- | does anyone have any idea why a module I'm compiling with 'make -C /lib/modules/2.6.11.5/build SUBDIRS=/home/fryguy/code/fifodev modules' would compile correctly, but then fail to insmod returning "-1 Invalid module format"? |
| 00:22.13 | Moonscope | cafuego: how do i find the libc version? |
| 00:22.31 | caphuso | abrotman: urgh |
| 00:22.42 | abrotman | MoonMind: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 00:23.00 | abrotman | Fryguy--: use modprobe |
| 00:23.06 | Fryguy-- | abrotman: that doesn't work either |
| 00:23.17 | abrotman | just as a general rule :) |
| 00:23.23 | abrotman | i don't know what fifodev is .. |
| 00:23.23 | Moonscope | cafuego: libc6 - 2.3.2.ds1-21 |
| 00:23.37 | Fryguy-- | abrotman: it's a driver that I wrote |
| 00:23.55 | abrotman | well .. #kernel? |
| 00:24.42 | Fryguy-- | abrotman: this issue isn't the driver, it's not even getting loaded correctly (I tried building a trivial module and am getting the same results), something in my toolchain isn't configured correctly and I was hoping that someone in here would have some clues |
| 00:25.16 | directhex | Fryguy--, gcc --version, cat /proc/version |
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| 00:25.49 | Fryguy-- | directhex: 2.6.11.5 for proc/version, gcc is 3.3.5 (Debian) |
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| 00:26.10 | cafuego | Moonscope: i wonder if te 2.2.20 kernel may have issues with over 32GB partitions. |
| 00:26.13 | directhex | Fryguy--, complete information from /proc/version |
| 00:26.22 | abrotman | cafuego: can i take a guess? :) |
| 00:26.34 | Moonscope | cafuego but seeing as i cant put anymore stuff on the drive, i cant upgrade it. |
| 00:26.36 | abrotman | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 (dilinger@toaster.hq.voxel.net) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-6)) #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 |
| 00:26.41 | abrotman | like that! |
| 00:26.42 | satHan | hey everybody: i'm trying to use a sony minidisc walkman and i can't find software to talk to it. am I as SOL as it looks like? |
| 00:26.44 | Moonscope | im guessing i need to reinstall on a new hdd |
| 00:26.58 | directhex | satHan, phone sony & complain? |
| 00:27.02 | abrotman | satHan: there used to be .. uhm .. NetMD ? |
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| 00:27.22 | satHan | abrotman: yeah, for windows |
| 00:27.31 | ia3264 | wholehealthmd.com |
| 00:27.31 | cafuego | satHan: you need to use the windoze-only software to convert your music to proporietary ATRAC3 format. |
| 00:27.34 | kendwork | Is there anything special I need to do to get a script living in "/etc/rc.boot/" to run on boot? :) |
| 00:27.36 | abrotman | satHan: no .. for linux .. but you'd have to google |
| 00:27.37 | satHan | abrotman: the linux equivalents don't support writing and look to be abandoned |
| 00:27.53 | Fryguy-- | Linux version 2.6.11 (bryanalves@gmail.com) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8) #1 Wed Feb 23 16:54:53 EST 2005 |
| 00:27.53 | abrotman | satHan: then call sony and whine |
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| 00:28.06 | Opty | gparted |
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| 00:28.09 | caphuso | cafuego: minidisc players come with encoders builtin |
| 00:28.10 | Opty | ffs |
| 00:28.34 | Opty | how can in 'increse' the size of my linux partition? heh |
| 00:28.36 | cafuego | caphuso: Mine only does atrac3 and the upload/downlaod software is absolutely shite. |
| 00:28.48 | directhex | Fryguy--, it's not the obvious then. try using a debian kernel image? |
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| 00:29.12 | caphuso | cafuego: i simply plugged mine into the soundcard and hit the record button. worked just fine |
| 00:29.22 | satHan | caphuso: but in real-time, right? |
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| 00:29.45 | omeganine | Is there some kind of sound config in Debian, my sound card was not picked up on install |
| 00:29.46 | caphuso | satHan: yeah, sure |
| 00:29.49 | Fryguy-- | directhex: i've tried that, I've switched between 2 kernel images with no luck, also using different module code (my fifo stuff, along with trivial code that just does printks), module-init-tools is up to date |
| 00:29.50 | cafuego | caphuso: oh yes, you can move music that way, certainly. But moving already-encoded files qwuickly? No way. |
| 00:30.06 | kendwork | hrm |
| 00:30.09 | abrotman | why not #kernel again? |
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| 00:30.37 | caphuso | ls: /etc/rc.d/boot: No such file or directory |
| 00:30.38 | ia3264 | what does sol mean? something on linux? |
| 00:30.40 | Fryguy-- | abrotman: i'll give kernel a try, I have a sneaking suspicion they'll say it's not kernel related and point me back to my distro :) but I'll give it a try, thanks for your help |
| 00:30.44 | caphuso | !sol |
| 00:30.44 | dpkg | methinks sol is Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 00:30.48 | omeganine | I installed my drivers, and modprobed them, but I dont know how to tell the OS to use the net card drivers |
| 00:31.02 | cafuego | ls: /etc/rc.d: No such file or directory |
| 00:31.06 | ia3264 | or solitare |
| 00:31.22 | omeganine | Hello? Anyone? |
| 00:31.23 | abrotman | sex on legs huh? |
| 00:31.29 | abrotman | Anyone? |
| 00:31.47 | abrotman | omeganine: which OS again? |
| 00:31.48 | omeganine | "Is there some kind of sound config in Debian, my sound card was not picked up on install, i installed drivers and need to tell the OS to use them" |
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| 00:31.56 | omeganine | Debian...Sarge |
| 00:32.10 | abrotman | are we talking net or sound? |
| 00:32.12 | abrotman | make up your mind |
| 00:32.35 | omeganine | errr sound |
| 00:32.51 | abrotman | what makes you think your sound doesn't work? |
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| 00:33.51 | omeganine | I have no sounds...and I get system beeps where I would normaly get sound |
| 00:34.17 | abrotman | beeps aren't sounds? |
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| 00:34.19 | omeganine | and Kmix says some weird sound card i never heard of, brook tree |
| 00:34.30 | omeganine | system beeps are not sounds, no |
| 00:34.38 | abrotman | i thought they were |
| 00:34.42 | abrotman | !beep |
| 00:34.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 00:34.51 | ia3264 | is ximian evolution good for mail |
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| 00:34.54 | abrotman | omeganine: did you install alsa? |
| 00:34.58 | abrotman | ia3264: i use it . kind of |
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| 00:35.11 | satHan | ia3264: it's ok, kinda of slow with large amounts of mail (at least for me) |
| 00:35.13 | ia3264 | im used to thunderbird in windows |
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| 00:35.26 | abrotman | ia3264: so why not use thunderbird in debian? |
| 00:35.28 | satHan | ia3264: I'd just use thunderbird then |
| 00:35.29 | omeganine | No, but I should not need to. I used nvidia sound card, and they have not made the drivers open source....So I have to use thier ver |
| 00:35.35 | ia3264 | was gonna just seein if anythin better out there |
| 00:35.36 | cafuego | ia3264: I find it very nice, yes. |
| 00:35.38 | silver_cpu | hey chealer are you around? |
| 00:35.44 | chealer | hey silver_cpu |
| 00:35.50 | silver_cpu | cool |
| 00:35.50 | ia3264 | cool |
| 00:35.52 | abrotman | omeganine: oh .. i have no freaking clue then .. nvidia makes fucked up shit .. |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | don't buy nvidia |
| 00:36.02 | cafuego | abrotman: liar. |
| 00:36.02 | silver_cpu | so i never got my system up with the new kernel |
| 00:36.05 | satHan | feh, geforce cards are like tanks |
| 00:36.10 | abrotman | cafuego: they don't? |
| 00:36.12 | silver_cpu | i still can't get the nvidia kernel module to work |
| 00:36.17 | silver_cpu | although i think it installed |
| 00:36.17 | abrotman | cafuego: then you help him :) |
| 00:36.23 | chealer | omeganine: hum, which driver are you talking about? or which card? |
| 00:36.23 | silver_cpu | what was the command to tell if it was installed? |
| 00:36.24 | cafuego | abrotman: I've found it to all work very well. |
| 00:36.27 | omeganine | silver_cpu: video or sound? |
| 00:36.29 | abrotman | cafuego: then help him .. |
| 00:36.29 | overnout | abrotman: tell me another company that makes drivers for linux |
| 00:36.31 | silver_cpu | video |
| 00:36.34 | cafuego | abrotman: EXCLUDING their sound cards |
| 00:36.36 | abrotman | Overand: intel ? |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | er overnout |
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| 00:36.49 | chealer | silver_cpu: dpkg -l nvidia* |
| 00:36.49 | satHan | ati? |
| 00:36.55 | overnout | abrotman: for their graphic chips ? |
| 00:36.57 | omeganine | chealer: Its the Nforce sound drivers, i have them installed, but I dont know how to tell the OS to use them. In Fedora there was a util |
| 00:37.07 | abrotman | overnout: i have mine working perfectly fine .. |
| 00:37.07 | satHan | omeganine: are they insmod'ed |
| 00:37.10 | cafuego | the nvidia integrated sound chips wiork with the intel i830 or so drivers. |
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| 00:38.03 | omeganine | insmod? No,i just use modprobe... |
| 00:38.11 | overnout | abrotman: there are very few companies anyway and i dont intend to boycott those who do |
| 00:38.25 | teemu_ | why doesn't that hwaddress ether newmac at /etc/network/interfaces file doesn't work :/ |
| 00:38.26 | abrotman | who do what? |
| 00:38.43 | teemu_ | why I need to use ifconfig eth0 hw ether newmac |
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| 00:38.50 | silver_cpu | chealer, i've posted the output in #flood |
| 00:39.11 | silver_cpu | btw, has anyone here had any luck getting doom3 to run in linux? |
| 00:39.20 | directhex | omeganine, what version of debian is this? |
| 00:39.27 | omeganine | Wow, GL on that silver_cpu |
| 00:39.34 | directhex | omeganine, and what nforce board? |
| 00:39.35 | omeganine | directhex: sarge |
| 00:39.42 | satHan | silver_cpu: sure, runs great on my box |
| 00:39.43 | directhex | silver_cpu, runs perfectly. |
| 00:39.47 | omeganine | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 00:39.51 | silver_cpu | great |
| 00:39.56 | chealer | silver_cpu: heh, tell before next time :) |
| 00:39.57 | silver_cpu | install direct, or use cedega? |
| 00:40.05 | satHan | silver_cpu: grab the binary from id |
| 00:40.09 | omeganine | Wow, D3 on linux. Thats awsome |
| 00:40.11 | directhex | silver_cpu, erm... why the fuck use cedega for a linux native game? |
| 00:40.13 | silver_cpu | cool |
| 00:40.16 | chealer | omeganine: nvaudio isn't open source? |
| 00:40.24 | directhex | !nvaudio |
| 00:40.26 | silver_cpu | well, i didn't know if it was native, that's why i asked :p |
| 00:40.28 | directhex | hm |
| 00:40.31 | directhex | !nvsound |
| 00:40.31 | dpkg | i heard nvsound is nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nfoce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
| 00:40.33 | doub | cafuego: not true as of nforce2 new versions, at least not with the regular alsa drivers |
| 00:40.39 | omeganine | pff no, they are all pissy about it......... |
| 00:40.52 | silver_cpu | what do you think, chealer ? |
| 00:40.55 | chealer | directhexthanks |
| 00:40.55 | omeganine | poop |
| 00:40.56 | directhex | dpkg, nvsound =~ s/nfoce2/nforce2/ |
| 00:40.56 | dpkg | directhex: OK |
| 00:40.59 | abrotman | directhex: so basically .. don't use it ? |
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| 00:41.16 | omeganine | Guess i will just use the intel then. |
| 00:41.16 | chealer | silver_cpu: I didn't see, because I wasn't there, paste it again |
| 00:41.19 | cafuego | doub: Well, an sblive value is cheap |
| 00:41.21 | omeganine | Get a cheap sound blaster |
| 00:41.24 | directhex | abrotman, unless you have an nforce2 board with an mcp-t southbridge, and actuallt use the dolby encoder |
| 00:41.26 | ethics | can someone help me out configuring my mouse in X.....it's doing something stupid 8( |
| 00:41.28 | teemu_ | why doesn't that hwaddress ether newmac at /etc/network/interfaces file doesn't work :/ |
| 00:41.32 | teemu_ | why I need to use ifconfig eth0 hw ether newmac |
| 00:41.35 | silver_cpu | i saw the module installation go through with my own two eyes, but i'm in 2.6.8-2 right now, do i need to boot into 2.6.11 and run dpkg -l to get the result i want? |
| 00:41.39 | silver_cpu | ok |
| 00:41.39 | omeganine | ethics: What you need to know? |
| 00:41.42 | doub | cafuego: cheap is already too expensive for me ;) |
| 00:42.00 | abrotman | directhex: wow .. nvidia wins again :) |
| 00:42.05 | omeganine | doub i hear that |
| 00:42.07 | silver_cpu | posted |
| 00:42.13 | ethics | I have sarge running in vmware and the mouse section of my input devices is not right....somethign changed for some reason when i moved PCs |
| 00:42.36 | abrotman | #vmware? |
| 00:42.37 | doub | cafuego: i managed to make it work by mixing regular alsa drivers and realtek released crappy alsa derivative for this card (didnt work out of the box) |
| 00:42.42 | directhex | abrotman, that said, i THINK it does emu10k-style sound mixing - but it's still very unstable |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | directhex: and not worth it :) |
| 00:43.02 | teemu_ | someone please tellme how I can set /etc/network/interfaces to set my mac address, I have read the manual, and done everything right, but it just whines |
| 00:43.09 | directhex | abrotman, no. i use snd-intel8x0 on my office pc (nforce3) |
| 00:43.11 | teemu_ | well, it not whine, but it just don't work |
| 00:43.17 | chealer | silver_cpu: no, you don't |
| 00:43.37 | omeganine | brb in xchat, this ver of IRC is...not my fav... |
| 00:43.45 | chealer | silver_cpu: it already shows that you still haven't the kernel module for 2.6.11 |
| 00:43.58 | chealer | silver_cpu: you can |grep ii for the relevant lines BTW |
| 00:44.07 | silver_cpu | oke :) |
| 00:44.25 | ethics | abrotman: nah its just a generic imps2 driver that need to load but for some reason its using vmware as the driver for ti also which is incorrect so i just need the 4 lines or so in input devices for mouse of a generic ps2 mouse |
| 00:44.41 | abrotman | dont tell me .. i hav eno idea how to use vmware |
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| 00:44.46 | OmegaNine | Much better |
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| 00:45.20 | directhex | OmegaNine, nforce 2 audio is supported by the i180_audio module already in your kernel. |
| 00:45.28 | silver_cpu | ok, i've run module-assistant auto-install nvidia under the 2.6.11 kernel and it said everything went through, what do i need to do? |
| 00:45.56 | doub | directhex: not true for the latest nforce2 chipsets |
| 00:46.02 | OmegaNine | directhex, alsa was not intsalled, I just installed it. Going to see fi I cant get it running. |
| 00:46.18 | directhex | silver_cpu, apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia |
| 00:46.22 | ethics | someone open up xf86config and have a look for the driver name they use for mouse? |
| 00:47.00 | directhex | silver_cpu, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and pick "nvidia" as the driver |
| 00:47.00 | doub | OmegaNine: what does lspci say about your sound card? |
| 00:47.01 | directhex | doub, "latest"? socket a is dead & buries, nforce2 along with it |
| 00:47.01 | silver_cpu | oh, cool thanks |
| 00:47.01 | directhex | *buried |
| 00:47.06 | satHan | ethics: "Protocol""ExplorerPS/2" |
| 00:47.07 | chealer | silver_cpu: do you see the nvidia kernel module for 2.6.11 installed now? |
| 00:47.17 | OmegaNine | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce Audio (rev c 2) |
| 00:47.28 | ethics | <satHan>: line above that one.....driver "XXXXX" |
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| 00:48.00 | doub | OmegaNine: then it should work out of the box |
| 00:48.08 | satHan | ethics: in #flood |
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| 00:48.34 | OmegaNine | It seems to not. :-\ Let me grab an MP3 off my thumb drive |
| 00:48.41 | doub | directhex: i just bought an MSI k7n2 mobo, with a (it seems) new nforce2, sound does not work |
| 00:48.52 | silver_cpu | chealer, no i don't, i don't see a kernel-module package for 2.6.11 |
| 00:49.13 | doub | OmegaNine: you have to modprobe the drivers, anyhow. i mean no hand tweaking like i had to |
| 00:49.23 | ethics | satHan>: repaste i wasnt joined for some reason |
| 00:49.23 | chealer | silver_cpu: it's named nvidia-kernel... |
| 00:49.32 | satHan | ethics: just did |
| 00:49.34 | silver_cpu | yes |
| 00:49.48 | silver_cpu | got my post in #flood |
| 00:49.59 | ethics | satHan> cheers |
| 00:50.13 | chealer | silver_cpu: still the 2.6.8 one |
| 00:50.17 | silver_cpu | but i can't find the 2.6.11-686 version of the kernel-module |
| 00:50.31 | silver_cpu | nvidia-kernel i mean |
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| 00:50.36 | directhex | !nvidia-kernel |
| 00:50.37 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel packages do not exist any more - they were too much of a pain to keep in synch with kernel-images. To install an nvidia-kernel package, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 00:50.37 | OmegaNine | I did, and its still not working. I ran the alsaconf and it didnt find the card. Ugh |
| 00:50.41 | chealer | silver_cpu: you need to install it with module-assistant |
| 00:50.45 | doub | directhex: as to know if nforce2, socket A, whatever, is not as shiny as some others are, i don't give a damn |
| 00:50.53 | chealer | silver_cpu: (and to build it) |
| 00:50.57 | silver_cpu | hmm |
| 00:50.59 | doub | OmegaNine: what about lspci -n ? |
| 00:51.13 | cafuego | Yay, I'm in pool.ntp.org :-) |
| 00:51.14 | silver_cpu | well, i ran module-assitant auto-install nvidia, under 2.6.11, and as i said it went through |
| 00:51.21 | directhex | silver_cpu, have you done as i instructed earlier then? |
| 00:51.21 | silver_cpu | but for some reason my xserver still won't start |
| 00:51.26 | silver_cpu | directhex, yes i have |
| 00:51.28 | satHan | silver_cpu: have you tried getting the binary from nvidia and using that? |
| 00:51.36 | silver_cpu | yes, that was a mess and didn't work |
| 00:51.43 | OmegaNine | doub what should i be looking for? Just gave me ports and some hex |
| 00:51.43 | chealer | silver_cpu: do you have the kernel headers? |
| 00:51.46 | silver_cpu | but i guess i could try it again |
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| 00:52.05 | directhex | silver_cpu, for fucks sake, ignore everyone who is not directhex. |
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| 00:52.12 | chealer | ugh |
| 00:52.16 | satHan | directhex :-) use a /msg ? |
| 00:52.27 | OmegaNine | 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 01b0 (rev c2) Humm |
| 00:52.33 | doub | OmegaNine: line with 0000:00:06.0 (your sound card) |
| 00:52.55 | directhex | silver_cpu, WHAT stage are you at. did you install the nvidia-glx package? did "modprobe nvidia" return any errors? did you do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 00:53.11 | OmegaNine | this is from the -n output "0000:00:06.0 0401: 10de:01b1 (rev c2)" |
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| 00:53.30 | silver_cpu | people, hold on |
| 00:54.07 | silver_cpu | directhex, you sure get impatient easy |
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| 00:55.03 | silver_cpu | going to try to reboot, and rebuild. bbiab |
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| 00:55.08 | directhex | silver_cpu, it's 1:54am. i have work tomorrow. i am staying up to stop you fucking up by listening to bad advice, because for some unknown reason i continue to give my time to dish out technical support free of charge to people who are ungreatefulf for it |
| 00:55.32 | mtnman | ungrateful |
| 00:55.39 | leo | How can I stop the artsd server? |
| 00:56.03 | mtnman | leo: do you have a file /etc/init.d/artsd? |
| 00:56.06 | chealer | directhex: am I included in the troublemakers? |
| 00:56.14 | doub | OmegaNine: it's listed in the supported devices for intel8x0 |
| 00:56.21 | leo | mtnman: no.. |
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| 00:56.44 | mtnman | leo: did you install artsd from a .deb? |
| 00:56.49 | OmegaNine | Raaar, i was editing the wrong modeles.conf |
| 00:56.49 | directhex | everyone who isn't me is a troublemaker |
| 00:56.55 | directhex | especially Overfiend |
| 00:56.55 | abrotman | hey! |
| 00:56.59 | abrotman | shit |
| 00:57.07 | doub | OmegaNine: what happens if you modprobe snd-intel8x0 and then try, say, alsamixer ? |
| 00:57.10 | OmegaNine | I guess i need to be editing the one in /etc/modutils/arch/i386/i386 |
| 00:57.31 | directhex | chealer, any suggestion of using nvidia-installer qualifies as a maliscious attempt to break someone's system |
| 00:57.37 | directhex | *malicious |
| 00:57.40 | mtnman | dircthex: overfiend is nothing, if not a troublemaker! |
| 00:57.41 | OmegaNine | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-intel8x0 |
| 00:57.45 | doub | OmegaNine: there's no need to edit your module conf if the module doesn't work |
| 00:58.01 | directhex | OmegaNine, what kernel were you on again? |
| 00:58.04 | leo | mtnman: ok, my real problem is that I don't know if there's a sound daemon running here.. how can I find that? I've just installed debian sarge.. |
| 00:58.04 | doub | OmegaNine: what's your kernel? |
| 00:58.08 | chealer | directhex: ok, but I was worried that you implied I was giving bad advice. if I do so, however, please tell me |
| 00:58.15 | OmegaNine | 2.3.27-2-386 |
| 00:58.21 | chealer | abrotman already knows he can punch me anytime |
| 00:58.26 | mtnman | leo: psaux is your friend. |
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| 00:58.37 | directhex | ah. no alsa in 2.4 by default. apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i alsa. if you want it, that is |
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| 00:58.39 | doub | OmegaNine: alsa drivers are not included by default on this one |
| 00:58.40 | mtnman | leo: ps aux, thatis |
| 00:58.41 | abrotman | :punch chealer |
| 00:58.44 | abrotman | err |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | !punch chealer |
| 00:58.50 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:58.54 | doub | OmegaNine: consider upgrading, or do as directhex says |
| 00:58.55 | chealer | kind of saw that coming |
| 00:59.05 | directhex | chealer, sathan suggested nvisia-installer. |
| 00:59.17 | directhex | fuck it, too tired. bed4hex |
| 00:59.20 | chealer | directhex: haha, ok...I missed that |
| 00:59.23 | abrotman | slacker |
| 00:59.29 | chealer | directhex: you deserve it |
| 00:59.38 | xophEr | is sarge how far from going stable? |
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| 00:59.46 | abrotman | xophEr: /topic |
| 00:59.52 | chealer | help on a channel like this at 2 AM requires a lot of patience |
| 00:59.52 | ia3264 | about as stable as that question |
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| 01:00.07 | OmegaNine | Installing from what directhex said now.... |
| 01:00.20 | doub | chealer: in what respect is this 2 am specific? |
| 01:00.21 | ^vir^ | where would i be able to find a working package of expocity does anyone happen to know by any chance & can guide me to a rep with it in please |
| 01:00.27 | technos | xophEr: Accorting to /dev/random, sarge will go "gold" in 37 days. |
| 01:00.32 | mtnman | chealer: helping just about anyone anytime with computers requires lots of patience. |
| 01:00.33 | abrotman | wtf is expocity? |
| 01:00.45 | xophEr | ok |
| 01:00.57 | chealer | doub: it's directhex time. everyone but him is only there for troublemaking anyway :) |
| 01:01.02 | doub | mtnman: or a hammer |
| 01:01.04 | ^vir^ | abrotman, its like the mac os bar that shows you what is running |
| 01:01.14 | chealer | mtnman: probably too |
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| 01:01.17 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 01:01.24 | leo | mtnman: I have this in COMMAND lines: /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi - is this artsd? if it is, there's no /etc/init.d/artsd file, how can I stop it? |
| 01:01.32 | technos | ^vir^: So it's a window manager? |
| 01:01.33 | mtnman | doub: i'm not familiar with the hammer-over-ip protocol... |
| 01:01.37 | abrotman | ^vir^: apt-get.org .. maybe |
| 01:01.41 | OmegaNine | Its uilding source brb |
| 01:01.53 | ^vir^ | not exactly technos |
| 01:01.59 | abrotman | it's a taskbar |
| 01:02.02 | doub | mtnman: me neither. but as the saying goes, "with a hammer in your hand, every problem looks like a nail" |
| 01:02.19 | mtnman | leo: look for something in /etc/init.d/ that looks like arts or artsd. i don't use artsd, so i cannot tell you specifics. |
| 01:03.27 | karsten | Bash scripting: is there a way to run a process foreground, then detach from it afterward, noninteractively. |
| 01:03.34 | leo | mtnman: I have one of those generic onboard sound card. I'll miss something if I purge arts ? |
| 01:03.47 | ia3264 | ctrl+z and fg? |
| 01:03.53 | doub | karsten: screen is your friend |
| 01:03.54 | mtnman | leo: i don't know what you are trying to accomplish. |
| 01:03.57 | ia3264 | oh noninteractively |
| 01:04.01 | karsten | I'm working on a "run X tunneled over SSH" from console script. /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config requires the user be at console. 'X &' in a script breaks that. |
| 01:04.04 | karsten | doub: Not here. |
| 01:04.09 | karsten | doub: screen != console. |
| 01:04.21 | ia3264 | yeah it is |
| 01:04.24 | abrotman | karsten: really . foreground .. then background it ? |
| 01:04.46 | jtaylor | i installed a raid1 computer with 2 drives.... as a test i removed one drive, rebooted, added some files... I cant seem to figure out how to readd the drive now. the software raid howto points to raidhotadd but thats not on my system. Any ideas? |
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| 01:04.48 | doub | karsten: nohup maybe then |
| 01:04.53 | karsten | http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/ssh-x-session |
| 01:04.57 | karsten | That's the script in question. |
| 01:05.04 | mtnman | karsten: no expert here, but isn't that what fg is for? |
| 01:05.04 | silver_cpu | hi, all |
| 01:05.07 | silver_cpu | just wanted to thank everyone |
| 01:05.15 | karsten | abrotman: I'm thinking of something like forking in advance, then job controlling, but that's alread a subshell. |
| 01:05.21 | karsten | mtnman: Maybe ;-) |
| 01:05.26 | silver_cpu | nvidia is working now, after i rebooted into the new kernel and ran m-a a-i nvidia, it worked great |
| 01:05.31 | silver_cpu | dunno why it didn't take the first time |
| 01:05.33 | abrotman | nohup won't work . i don't think |
| 01:05.37 | silver_cpu | maybe i was typing something wrong |
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| 01:05.50 | chealer | silver_cpu: it's goo to have your feedback |
| 01:05.54 | silver_cpu | have a good night, all |
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| 01:06.01 | mtnman | karsten: man bash search for fg |
| 01:06.05 | silver_cpu | np, good to have some support to turn to |
| 01:06.09 | karsten | The problem with the script is that it 1. keeps X foreground and 2. doesn't exit the console once X is up and running. |
| 01:06.18 | karsten | mtnman: Um. Thanks, I'm familiar with fg ;-) |
| 01:06.37 | mtnman | karsten: okey |
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| 01:07.15 | karsten | mtnman: The problem is that the job must be _started_ foreground...which then sort of borks the idea of getting it backgrounded. I don't think the shell can reach around itself to do that. |
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| 01:08.00 | iq | Hi, is there an easy way of getting PEAR (php) ? |
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| 01:08.20 | karsten | iq: AFAIU it's packaged. apt-cache search pear. |
| 01:08.20 | Guerin | iq: apt-cache search pear |
| 01:08.37 | iq | karsten, Guerin: thanks |
| 01:08.57 | karsten | iq: You'll probably want to pipe 'grep php' as there's a lot of hits. |
| 01:09.04 | karsten | iq: php4-pear |
| 01:09.09 | karsten | !php4-pear |
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| 01:09.29 | abrotman | !info php4-pear |
| 01:09.34 | dpkg | php4-pear: (PEAR - PHP Extension and Application Repository), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-13 (sid), Packaged size: 243 kB, Installed size: 1764 kB |
| 01:09.39 | abrotman | !comfort karsten |
| 01:09.40 | dpkg | There, there, karsten. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:09.56 | abrotman | iq: which version of debian ? |
| 01:09.58 | karsten | abrotman: Oooh. I _love_ it when you "comfort" me. |
| 01:10.04 | sameer | hi people |
| 01:10.05 | iq | karsten, thanks again |
| 01:10.05 | ethics | satHan: thx fixed my mose issue |
| 01:10.07 | doub | karsten: if i get it right, you want to start a local X server, which will display some forwarded X session, right? |
| 01:10.10 | abrotman | karsten: wait til i break out the talcum powder |
| 01:10.15 | karsten | doub: Yeah. |
| 01:10.20 | mtnman | karsten: technically, dpkg was comforting you... |
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| 01:10.25 | karsten | doub: See script (/lastlog ssh-x-session)' |
| 01:10.29 | sameer | can someone tell me what is the minimum size possible for an ext3 partition |
| 01:10.35 | poh | when I apt-get install gcc-4.0, it tells me that i need to upgrade libgcc1 to 1:4.0... from 1:3.4... that sounds like a bad idea, is it? |
| 01:10.43 | iq | abrotman, 2.4.26 |
| 01:10.54 | doub | karsten: that's what im doing. but there are already some protocols to do just that, AFAIK |
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| 01:11.07 | abrotman | iq: that's not a version of debian |
| 01:11.15 | doub | karsten: you have ton set up xdm or equiv to use them, but they're here just for that purpose |
| 01:11.18 | iq | abrotman, ya thas kernel :) |
| 01:11.18 | karsten | sameer: IIRC as small as you want. The journal file's not fixed size as reiser's is. Practically, < 30 MB or so is pretty pointelss. |
| 01:11.21 | abrotman | isn't 2.4.26 security risk ? |
| 01:11.23 | mtnman | iq: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:11.29 | abrotman | iq: so . what version of debian ? |
| 01:11.37 | karsten | doub: Traffic routes through NAT, XDMCP doesn't work. |
| 01:11.43 | doub | karsten: as Larry Wall says, if you want to reinvent the wheel, at least try to make a better one ;) |
| 01:11.55 | karsten | doub: There's a hack / workaround for that involving Xnest but I'd prefer avoiding. |
| 01:11.57 | doub | karsten: i've heard of x proxys |
| 01:12.00 | iq | abrotman, that file says 'testing/unstable' |
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| 01:12.07 | teemu_ | what's wrong, why doesn't pre-up work :O |
| 01:12.09 | karsten | doub: Damnit, what's wrong with my square wheels!? |
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| 01:12.25 | karsten | doub: We're looking at streamlining/simplifying and going to triangular. |
| 01:12.29 | nerve | would anyone here know how to set the system to read and use the software clock instead of the hardware clock? |
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| 01:12.41 | mtnman | karsten: square wheels work fine with special track. |
| 01:12.44 | karsten | nerve: aptitude install ntp-simple. |
| 01:12.49 | karsten | mtnman: Point. |
| 01:13.03 | iq | abrotman, what is this version 'testing/unstable' ... ? Looks scary :( |
| 01:13.13 | nerve | karsten, i do have ntp installed, but im not always on a network |
| 01:13.19 | karsten | iq: Not as scary as you'd think.... |
| 01:13.19 | abrotman | iq: look at where your /etc/apt/sources.list points |
| 01:13.30 | abrotman | iq: will say stable/woody/sarge/testing/sid/unstable |
| 01:13.32 | doub | karsten: what about xfwp ? (never tried any forwarded x session, just some 2 cent clues) |
| 01:13.36 | sameer | kartsen : i was asked this for an interview so whats my answer.. |
| 01:13.43 | karsten | doub: Not familiar with it. |
| 01:13.55 | resiak | sameer: As small as you want. |
| 01:14.08 | fo | people, am I wrong or postfix.org doesnt work ... |
| 01:14.11 | iq | abrotman, karsten, it is pointing to testing :) |
| 01:14.22 | cafuego | fo: What do you need the source for? |
| 01:14.27 | iq | deb http://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/debian/ testing main |
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| 01:14.33 | doub | karsten: consider forming a comitee, for your triangular wheel |
| 01:14.42 | mtnman | sameer: i guess _your_ answer is "i don't know" |
| 01:14.44 | fo | cafuego : i wanted to look out some faq |
| 01:14.46 | doub | karsten: that's what comitees are for |
| 01:14.50 | karsten | sameer: Your answer is: create a set of loopback images of varying sizes and try creating ext3 filesystems on 'em. |
| 01:14.54 | cafuego | fo: www.postfix.org works fine for me |
| 01:15.07 | karsten | doub: Elephants. |
| 01:15.14 | fo | cafuego : ok, thx |
| 01:15.21 | sameer | mtnman :hehe |
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| 01:15.33 | karsten | doub: I think xfwp's not entirely appropriate here. |
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| 01:15.50 | doub | karsten: consider looking at how xdm or the like init scripts deal with starting X |
| 01:15.55 | abrotman | fo: gotta have the www.postfix .. just postfix.org doesn't work |
| 01:16.00 | doub | karsten: maybe the solution hides somewhere in there |
| 01:16.01 | karsten | sameer: What's the difference between ext3 and ext2? This is a quiz. |
| 01:16.09 | sameer | thanx people |
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| 01:16.21 | fo | abrotman : ye i know, just little bit to drunky today |
| 01:16.25 | karsten | doub: I'm inclined to think not... |
| 01:16.27 | iq | Now it is failing on this line --->>> $smarty = new Smarty_Serweb; |
| 01:16.28 | leo | I wanna stop my sound daemon! How can i stop artes? There's no /etc/init.d/artsd file and nothing close to it in /etc/init.d. But my sound just's doesn't work with Mplayer, when it does with all other players.. |
| 01:16.32 | abrotman | fo: good time to configure a mail server |
| 01:16.34 | karsten | doub: There *is* sux though. Hrm. No... |
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| 01:16.43 | fo | abrotman : its always a good time :) |
| 01:16.46 | sameer | kartsen : can u direct me 2 some good link where i can read some internela ext3 stuff |
| 01:16.46 | sameer | kartsen : can u direct me 2 some good link where i can read some internal ext3 stuff |
| 01:17.00 | doub | sameer: kernel source? |
| 01:17.04 | karsten | sameer: There's a place I'm trying to think of... |
| 01:17.06 | karsten | sameer: Um... |
| 01:17.08 | theresa | Hi, I'm trying to install some pakages but it says that libc6 isn't installed and isn't going to be. Howdo I fix that? |
| 01:17.13 | karsten | sameer: Damn. Starts with a "g". |
| 01:17.15 | teemu_ | :P |
| 01:17.22 | teemu_ | have every one ignored me?! |
| 01:17.31 | karsten | theresa: Install it ;-) |
| 01:17.34 | sameer | kartsen : ext3 has journalling right |
| 01:17.35 | abrotman | karsten: gazoogle.com ? |
| 01:17.48 | fo | theresa : apt-get install libc6 |
| 01:17.49 | karsten | theresa: aptitude, interactive, will give you more excuses than the command line. |
| 01:17.52 | resiak | teemu_: ? |
| 01:17.52 | abrotman | karsten: no .. gizoogle.com |
| 01:17.54 | karsten | abrotman: Sounds close. |
| 01:18.04 | abrotman | karsten: try it :) |
| 01:18.07 | iq | abrotman, karsten, http://pastebin.ca/10393 |
| 01:18.07 | karsten | abrotman: How about that talcum powder? |
| 01:18.15 | abrotman | iq: install smarty |
| 01:18.27 | sameer | kartsen : ok its google |
| 01:18.36 | iq | abrotman, apt-get install smarty ? |
| 01:18.40 | fo | teemu_ : what problem do you have ? |
| 01:18.46 | OmegaNine | BRB rebooting |
| 01:18.46 | abrotman | iq: dunno . don't use it |
| 01:18.47 | teemu_ | resiak: well, I have said my problem like five times, and nobody have even commented it :P, not even laughed at it ;/, so prob is now with /etc/network/interfaces, pre-up doesn't work :(, or line hwaddress ether newmac |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | !tell iq about search |
| 01:18.58 | iq | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 01:18.59 | karsten | abrotman: Does the shiznit ever hit the fan? |
| 01:19.02 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 01:19.03 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 01:19.13 | abrotman | karsten: only when i'm touching my ankles and it slips |
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| 01:19.30 | karsten | iq: I'm not much w/ PHP. Configuring and restarting apache helps. |
| 01:19.42 | karsten | iq: There's /etc/apache/modules.conf which you'll want to look at as well. |
| 01:19.57 | darkphoenix939 | hey im jus wondering y did debian change the owner of my home dir when i switched from mandrake |
| 01:20.00 | karsten | sameer: Indeed it is. How silly of me to forget. |
| 01:20.00 | iq | karsten, thanks, I'll do that :) |
| 01:20.08 | abrotman | y? |
| 01:20.14 | teemu_ | well, more specific, I tried to put line "pre-up echo something > /root/something", that should work like 100%, but no, nothing appeared to /root, when I did ifup eth0 |
| 01:20.17 | fo | teemu_ : i dont know how to help you, little bit tired today.. |
| 01:20.17 | resiak | darkphoenix939: Do you want to be more specific about what it did? |
| 01:20.22 | karsten | iq: Most of my experience comes from the past few days setting up drupal a couple times. |
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| 01:20.25 | teemu_ | fo: :< |
| 01:20.32 | abrotman | karsten: a couple of times? |
| 01:20.41 | karsten | abrotman: Two different systems. |
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| 01:20.42 | fo | teemu_ : but i can give you some vodka :] |
| 01:20.47 | doub | teemu_: did you ifdown first ? |
| 01:21.05 | doub | fo: tired, huh? |
| 01:21.06 | teemu_ | doub: ofcourse, it would whine about iface being up |
| 01:21.10 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 01:21.12 | teemu_ | fo: ;P |
| 01:21.31 | fo | ;) |
| 01:21.45 | doub | teemu_: wine would shure fit better |
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| 01:22.01 | darkphoenix939 | i just installed debian over mandrake did not tuch the home dir and formated root dir |
| 01:22.06 | OmegaNine | Yay KDE started and scared the shit out of me. I have sound. |
| 01:22.17 | teemu_ | doub: ok :P |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | darkphoenix939: and? |
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| 01:22.35 | abrotman | darkphoenix939: HOW did it change permissions ? |
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| 01:22.54 | karsten | abrotman |
| 01:22.56 | teemu_ | doub: but you don't have a clue how to fix my problem |
| 01:23.00 | abrotman | karsten |
| 01:23.00 | teemu_ | right? :P |
| 01:23.00 | robink | distribution distribution distribution |
| 01:23.00 | cyberdyne | *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *G |
| 01:23.02 | robink | oops |
| 01:23.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 01:23.07 | fo | mann |
| 01:23.18 | ia3264 | whatever that means |
| 01:23.22 | karsten | abrotman: ...anyhow, regards my script, the bit I like about it is it manages the ssh, ssh-agent, ssh-add, and all, pretty well. |
| 01:23.34 | robink | ia3264: If you're really curious as to what it means, look up GNAA at Wikipedia |
| 01:23.35 | darkphoenix939 | as root i did chown -v -R /home/jasser |
| 01:23.38 | chealer | ia3264: it's a toast to our collective intelligence |
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| 01:23.48 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:23.57 | abrotman | darkphoenix939: so you did it . not debian |
| 01:24.11 | shingouz | where the hell do all those gnaa-idiots come from :( |
| 01:24.21 | abrotman | shingouz: alabama |
| 01:24.21 | cafuego | shingouz: Texas |
| 01:24.23 | doub | teemu_: me neither. looks like i'm as tired as fo ;) |
| 01:24.29 | shingouz | heh |
| 01:24.32 | teemu_ | you lazy bastards ;( |
| 01:24.33 | teemu_ | :P |
| 01:24.38 | darkphoenix939 | changed it back debian changed the home dir to root user |
| 01:24.48 | teemu_ | its 4.24 here >:I |
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| 01:25.02 | cafuego | it's 21:20 somewhere |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 01:25.04 | simon__ | is there a php4.2 or 4.3 backport for woody? |
| 01:25.04 | doub | teemu_: not lazy, quite not up to this sort of problems right now. that's absolutely not the same ;) |
| 01:25.04 | teemu_ | and Im still trying to fix my server |
| 01:25.10 | teemu_ | :P |
| 01:25.13 | teemu_ | doub: yes it is ;) |
| 01:25.14 | abrotman | !tell simon__ about backports |
| 01:25.19 | cyberdyne | *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *G |
| 01:25.23 | fo | man |
| 01:25.28 | fo | :/ |
| 01:25.31 | OmegaNine | What the hell was that? |
| 01:25.35 | fo | wtf is his problem |
| 01:25.37 | maximead | Hi... When I do Alt+Ctrl+Esc in X, I can't kill any programs. Why? |
| 01:25.42 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@S0106000c6e6bd460.vs.shawcable.net] by caphuso |
| 01:25.44 | transgress | they are just joining every channel i think |
| 01:25.44 | abrotman | fo: he doesn't like us |
| 01:25.46 | shingouz | a certified twerp |
| 01:26.13 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 01:26.30 | transgress | new question... |
| 01:26.31 | caphuso | a more stupid than general gnaa troll |
| 01:26.34 | transgress | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.34 | transgress | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.34 | transgress | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:26.42 | fo | abrotman : ehehe, why ? |
| 01:26.42 | abrotman | transgress: wrong channel |
| 01:26.47 | transgress | oh oops |
| 01:26.48 | abrotman | fo: dunno |
| 01:26.49 | transgress | sorry |
| 01:26.55 | chealer | maximead: are you sure you didn't extrapolate a KDE feature to X? |
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| 01:27.35 | amahbod | does anyone of a mac style widget viewer? |
| 01:27.39 | amahbod | for debian |
| 01:27.44 | ethics | whats the best way to get a list of installed .deb files? |
| 01:27.48 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 01:27.50 | maher | ethics: dpkg -l |
| 01:27.50 | cafuego | ethics: dpkg -l |
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| 01:27.52 | abrotman | Ether_Man: man dpkg |
| 01:27.56 | ethics | all:thx |
| 01:27.56 | caphuso | or dpkg --get-selections, depending on your needs |
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| 01:28.12 | maximead | extrapolate? (Sorry I'm a french speaker and my english is not perfect) |
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| 01:28.40 | fo | ahmm, anybody polish here ? >:) |
| 01:28.48 | doub | maximead: that's the same word in french |
| 01:28.49 | chealer | maximead: heh, same here...extrapoler exists in french. anyway, i'm saying I believe this is only a KDE feature |
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| 01:28.56 | cafuego | !pl |
| 01:28.56 | dpkg | hmm... pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
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| 01:29.07 | maximead | Roger... I'll go see and my KDE's sttetings |
| 01:29.08 | cafuego | dpkg: you are not being useful |
| 01:29.08 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, cafuego |
| 01:29.12 | maximead | settings* |
| 01:29.20 | amahbod | does anyone of a mac/tiger style widget viewer for debian? |
| 01:29.31 | abrotman | widget viewer? |
| 01:29.42 | blusyit | dpkg, hi |
| 01:29.42 | dpkg | salut, blusyit |
| 01:29.58 | amahbod | i just saw it today, its kind of like a window |
| 01:30.17 | cafuego | amahbod: Where did you see it? |
| 01:30.18 | amahbod | abrotman, it contains things like a calculator, calendar, clock, and things that you can add on |
| 01:30.26 | amahbod | cafuego, leaked version of tiger :) |
| 01:30.27 | cafuego | amahbod: Oh, a dock, you mean. |
| 01:30.30 | simon__ | there appear to be no php backports at backports.org. is there another place to check? |
| 01:30.33 | amahbod | cafuego, yes |
| 01:30.44 | doub | simon__: apt-get.org maybe |
| 01:30.55 | amahbod | cafuego, does such a thing exist for debian? |
| 01:30.56 | cafuego | amahbod: there's various ones. I think there's one for KDE that does the same thing, zooming, jumping etc. |
| 01:31.03 | amahbod | cafuego, no |
| 01:31.05 | abrotman | simon__: none at all? |
| 01:31.07 | amahbod | cafuego, its not the dock |
| 01:31.26 | simon__ | doub: i'll check |
| 01:31.31 | cafuego | amahbod: oh, the desklets. yeah, of course theye xist, where do you think Apple stole the diea from? ;-) |
| 01:31.38 | abrotman | simon__: aptget.org ? |
| 01:31.40 | abrotman | err apt-get |
| 01:31.41 | amahbod | cafuego, hahaha |
| 01:31.46 | amahbod | cafuego, its very hard to explain... you like press a button and a window slides in from a side and it is transparent |
| 01:31.48 | cafuego | amahbod: Gnoem uses desklets, KDE has another name for the same thing. |
| 01:31.56 | doub | simon__: but i was told about a php backport from backports.org recently, by someone here |
| 01:32.02 | cafuego | amahbod: Linux just has them on the desktop at all times. |
| 01:32.02 | amahbod | cafuego, desklet is != to the dock, right |
| 01:32.11 | amahbod | cafuego, ah. |
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| 01:32.21 | doub | simon__: that doesn't prevent it from disapearing, anyway |
| 01:32.25 | cafuego | amahbod: yeh, they're apps that run and display onto the desktop (transparently) |
| 01:32.47 | amahbod | do they suck up resources. |
| 01:32.48 | amahbod | ? |
| 01:32.52 | amahbod | like a significant ammount |
| 01:32.59 | simon__ | abrotman: i was checking the dist, i'm checking the pool now |
| 01:33.02 | cafuego | amahbod: probably depends on how many you run |
| 01:33.04 | simon__ | doub: nods |
| 01:33.08 | BrettMeister | Anyone here willing to explain a little about Kpackage and using it with APT and Debian? |
| 01:33.20 | abrotman | simon__: okeedokee |
| 01:33.29 | abrotman | simon__: what's this for ? |
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| 01:33.35 | ia3264 | how do you properly pronounce debian? i always thought it was deb like 'debby' but i hear people saying 'deebian' and even heard 'daybian' |
| 01:33.42 | abrotman | deb-ian |
| 01:33.53 | maher | ia3264: you were right |
| 01:33.57 | bob2 | deb(orah)-ian |
| 01:34.00 | shingouz | amahbod: i think i heard somewhere that someone has either ported the apple version to linux or made a native version. i just cannot remember at the moment what is was called. i think i saw some mention about it in Linux Format a month or two ago. maybe www.linuxformat.co.uk has something about it |
| 01:34.07 | cafuego | amahbod: On Gnome, apt-get install gdesklets. on KDE< apt-get install (super)karamba |
| 01:34.18 | chealer | BrettMeister: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:34.20 | simon__ | abrotman wanna upgrade the php on my woody box to run a blog script that requires 4.2 |
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| 01:34.33 | BrettMeister | chealer: Thanks! |
| 01:34.39 | abrotman | simon__: oh .. gotcha |
| 01:34.39 | chealer | BrettMeister: if you really want to use kpackage, despite synaptic being so much better |
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| 01:35.28 | BrettMeister | chealer: I'm using Knoppix installed on my HD and that's how they have it set up for now. Yep. I agree that Synaptics is superior. |
| 01:35.40 | doub | chealer: synaptic doesn't have the kde look and feel, that's a *major* disturbance ;) |
| 01:35.48 | chealer | BrettMeister: looks like you're on the wrong channel to ask then |
| 01:36.04 | cafuego | doub: "advantage", you mean. |
| 01:36.09 | jetdotnet | i thini doub just said synaptic uses gtk not qt |
| 01:36.23 | BrettMeister | chealer: Thought I would start with Debian since this is the first Debian distro that I've used. Moved over from Fc3. |
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| 01:36.59 | chealer | BrettMeister: hum...I think you're a bit confused. knoppix isn't debian |
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| 01:37.31 | chealer | doub: amen. |
| 01:37.31 | chealer | /me goes back to bootsplash enabling aventure |
| 01:37.43 | BrettMeister | chealer: Er....I believe so...based at least. That's where Knoppix has all of the update packages coming from. |
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| 01:37.56 | doub | cafuego: no, kde RuLeZ DiZ WolrD =) |
| 01:38.08 | cafuego | doub: The world of butt-ugly, sure. |
| 01:38.20 | chealer | BrettMeister: that's right, it's based on debian. but if it was debian, you'd have no excuse to not use synaptic |
| 01:38.51 | doub | cafuego: just kidding. CLI is the one true interface. (amen) |
| 01:38.53 | chealer | (if you're considering kpackage, anyway) |
| 01:39.07 | BrettMeister | chealer: LOL. Okay. Got me there. I really do like the way this is working so far, though. Good approach. Works far better than Fc3. |
| 01:39.09 | cafuego | doub: As long as it runs in a gnome-terminal, sure. |
| 01:39.19 | jetdotnet | there is no <fill in blank> |
| 01:39.48 | chealer | BrettMeister: great...I'll warn you though, I kept knoppix on my PC for 1 or 2 weeks before I switched to debian |
| 01:40.34 | BrettMeister | chealer: Interesting. Sounds like you are sold on Debian a lot more. |
| 01:40.37 | jetdotnet | debian>kanotix>knoppix |
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| 01:41.01 | abrotman | debian>* ? |
| 01:41.17 | doub | cafuego: you graphical interface user will burn in hell ;) |
| 01:41.19 | resiak | abrotman: Better hope that you're not using zsh's multios there :) |
| 01:41.22 | jetdotnet | i can't say that and know it's a fact, but i can believe |
| 01:41.36 | chealer | BrettMeister: yeah, knoppix is based on unstable and has many other disadvantages compared to debian. I don't really see why someone would install knoppix to HD instead of installing sarge |
| 01:41.36 | abrotman | resiak: nachos! |
| 01:41.37 | cafuego | doub: Not my fault your celeron 300 can't cope |
| 01:41.42 | cafuego | abrotman: NACHOS!!! |
| 01:41.46 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:41.58 | abrotman | !nachos |
| 01:41.58 | dpkg | schweet. |
| 01:42.00 | jetdotnet | celeron 333's o/c very nicely |
| 01:42.10 | abrotman | ew |
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| 01:42.53 | BrettMeister | chealer: Is Sarge the latest release? |
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| 01:43.01 | jaxxan | !pkg logwatch |
| 01:43.01 | jetdotnet | dual 333's@500 would make an ok server eh? |
| 01:43.07 | BrettMeister | chealer: Fairly easy to install? |
| 01:43.12 | jaxxan | umm, what's that command ? |
| 01:43.12 | jetdotnet | !tell BrettMeister about d-i |
| 01:43.14 | cafuego | jetdotnet: Even a celeron333 at 1GHz would be shit slow |
| 01:43.29 | jetdotnet | yes btw brett |
| 01:43.31 | doub | cafuego: haven't you been told CPU is not very important for this purpose? RAM is the one important thing |
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| 01:43.52 | cafuego | doub: have you even tried to RUN KDE on a low-cpu box? |
| 01:43.53 | BrettMeister | jetdotnet: K... |
| 01:43.54 | chealer | BrettMeister: no, woody is. sarge is the testing release, and should become stable quite soon, but already almost everyone uses it instead of woody for its personal desktop because woody is so old (2002) |
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| 01:44.05 | jetdotnet | server..... who said gui? |
| 01:44.10 | doub | cafuego: kde 1, yes ;) |
| 01:44.11 | jaxxan | yeah, i'm sick of woody |
| 01:44.13 | cafuego | doub: it might have 768Mb of ram, but it sure isn't FAST |
| 01:44.18 | jaxxan | i gotta find backports for everything |
| 01:44.19 | benjamindees | is it possible to use openldap with TLS on Woody? |
| 01:44.32 | BrettMeister | jetdotnet: Yeah. I don't want to spend days downloading patches and updates. |
| 01:44.39 | jaxxan | i can't find logwatch with apt-get |
| 01:44.39 | jetdotnet | BrettMeister: it's not released yet, but it is the latest release... as in it's 'almost' released |
| 01:44.44 | pipeline | cafuego: What isn't it fast enough for? :P |
| 01:45.16 | doub | cafuego: but being fast isn't being efficient |
| 01:45.22 | jetdotnet | BrettMeister: also, you wil be happier, and won't have to d/l that additional 500megs when it is released and hits stable |
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| 01:45.54 | chealer | BrettMeister: you have a point, but I don't think that argument stands compared to knoppix |
| 01:46.01 | doub | cafuego: having a 500 Ghz CPU to overcome bloat doesn't sound like a solution to me |
| 01:46.09 | cafuego | doub: Modern GUIs are invariably not about being efficient. |
| 01:46.16 | jetdotnet | i want a 500ghz cpu, gimme one |
| 01:46.48 | doub | cafuego: that's a problem, at least to me |
| 01:46.50 | jetdotnet | sounds like a great solution |
| 01:46.58 | cafuego | pipeline: 350MHz copu with 3/4GB of ram isn't fast enough for KDE3 |
| 01:47.02 | Delph | interesting comment by my other half: It doesn't matter if your programing language makes twice as many method calls... nowadays your time spent in writing it is far more valuable than CPU time spent running it. |
| 01:47.03 | AlaricXI | when doing a network install, is it possible to install ndiswrapper and drivers before you get to the part where packages are installed? |
| 01:47.30 | Boohbah | Delph: maybe you should get that other half checked out... |
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| 01:47.56 | jetdotnet | Boohbah: not wise to dis somebody's spouse :/ |
| 01:47.59 | benjamindees | AlaricXI, you may be able to switch to a terminal (alt-f2) and do it |
| 01:48.03 | ethics | AlaricXI: yeah i guess so...the boot CD is a live environment so i guess you could.. |
| 01:48.09 | amphi | Delph: http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=1503/ddj0004vs/apr00.htm |
| 01:48.22 | benjamindees | AlaricXI, it may not be easy |
| 01:48.24 | Boohbah | jetdotnet: i thought he meant the other half of his mind |
| 01:48.33 | AlaricXI | ok |
| 01:48.34 | jetdotnet | i thought something like that |
| 01:48.40 | pipeline | cafuego: It's not? Shit, I've run a full gnome 2.6 on less than that and it wasn't so bad. What's so goddamned awful about KDE 3.x? |
| 01:48.42 | AlaricXI | i'll give it a shot at least :) |
| 01:48.50 | cafuego | pipeline: in a word, "KDE" |
| 01:48.56 | jetdotnet | why the fuck would i be running x on a server? |
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| 01:48.58 | doub | Delph: the fact that a CPU can cope with poorly written doesn't make it valuable |
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| 01:49.16 | doub | Delph: you'll ever have to face programming mistakes one day or another |
| 01:49.53 | Delph | doub: didn't say programing mistakes. Said that writing slower-to-run code faster is nowadays better than writing faster-to-run code slower. |
| 01:50.46 | BrettMeister | chealer: So...As a former Knoppix installer, you believe that Sarge is that much better? Not a challenge. I really don't know. |
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| 01:51.06 | doub | Delph: Ok, but what about portability? a program that can run on your shiny PDA can run on your billion Ghz computer, the reverse can't |
| 01:51.15 | teemu_ | ett |
| 01:51.18 | teemu_ | err |
| 01:51.23 | chealer | BrettMeister: yes, there's one point you had right though : it will be harder to install. |
| 01:51.30 | chealer | BrettMeister: but it's worth it |
| 01:51.40 | teemu_ | so wtf is broken when pre-up doesn't work at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:51.57 | doub | Delph: and you can do as much on your PDA (performance wise) as on a computer, except for bloated software |
| 01:52.22 | cafuego | doub: PDAs are even more useless then GUI bloat. |
| 01:52.23 | BrettMeister | chealer: I'm still new at Linux. Forced myself to learn just last Christmas. Installing Debian is still a little intimidating from what I've read. |
| 01:52.31 | jetdotnet | can't type as fast on the pda |
| 01:52.40 | cafuego | In fact, PDAs are about as useless as Powerpoint. |
| 01:52.42 | Delph | doub: so screenscrape on the pda. |
| 01:52.46 | jetdotnet | installing sarge is easy as hell |
| 01:52.54 | jetdotnet | so is installing woody |
| 01:53.01 | chealer | BrettMeister: don't install woody! install sarge, with the new debian-installer. I never installed woody myself, only heard the same as you probably |
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| 01:53.17 | jetdotnet | actually the woody install is smoother |
| 01:53.19 | teemu_ | whee, everyone has ignored me \o/ |
| 01:53.27 | jetdotnet | but that's beta vs tried&true |
| 01:53.40 | doub | teemu_: exactly |
| 01:53.49 | teemu_ | doub: yep :P |
| 01:54.00 | teemu_ | this sucks :< |
| 01:54.02 | BrettMeister | So you guys think that there's a big difference between Woody and Sarge for installability? |
| 01:54.10 | jetdotnet | no brett |
| 01:54.23 | jetdotnet | they both are easy and fast |
| 01:54.23 | maher | teemu_: is it an executable shell script? |
| 01:54.24 | fo | teemu_ : dumb question but did you scan the google for answer ? |
| 01:54.27 | benjamindees | I've installed both in the last month, and honestly I'm not sure I could tell a difference |
| 01:54.29 | jetdotnet | and i'm not just saying that |
| 01:54.30 | chealer | then i guess installing debian isn't that hard. |
| 01:54.34 | amphi | BrettMeister: sarge seemed easy enough to install here, on a stinkpad |
| 01:54.42 | shingouz | BrettMeister: sarge is easier for a noob that is for sure. it installs almost automagically on most hardware already |
| 01:54.50 | maher | BrettMeister: if you have a knoppix cd you can run debootstrap from knoppix |
| 01:54.52 | Delph | jetdotnet: i'll whinge at that crazy partitioning thing in d-i |
| 01:54.56 | benjamindees | the Sarge installer seemed faster on older hardware though |
| 01:55.08 | doub | cafuego: not when you can bring it in your pocket. that's the only thing that makes it interesting. try to bring your ghz box in your pocket |
| 01:55.15 | shingouz | maher: but that would still be knoppix and #debian would not support it ;) |
| 01:55.18 | jetdotnet | yeh that kinda is weird, dev/lun/target |
| 01:55.24 | jetdotnet | but it's doable |
| 01:55.40 | maher | shingouz: no - use debootstrap to install debian |
| 01:55.55 | shingouz | personally i liked the boot-floppies version on potato and woody |
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| 01:56.04 | chealer | BrettMeister: FYI, I installed debian after trying mandrake and knoppix, so 8 months after I started. it wasn't a problem |
| 01:56.05 | benjamindees | BrettMeister, the difference is, with Woody, you'll have to configure X and sound drivers manually |
| 01:56.07 | shingouz | maher: a pure debootstrap is another thing |
| 01:56.16 | jetdotnet | i haven't tried the boot-floppy sarge yet |
| 01:56.33 | teemu_ | maher: no |
| 01:56.34 | doub | cafuego: what i mean is, the original Unix idea about software is that it should be simple and do only one thing, and do it right |
| 01:56.37 | teemu_ | fo: ofcourse, |
| 01:56.46 | maher | teemu_: what are you doing? |
| 01:56.54 | doub | cafuego: that means you can separate the useful part from the eye candy |
| 01:56.55 | shingouz | well.. boot-floppies or whatever the older installer is called. <shrug> |
| 01:57.12 | BrettMeister | benjamindees: So that would be the advantage of Sarge over Woody for installability? |
| 01:57.29 | maher | BrettMeister: sarge is more likely to support newer hw |
| 01:57.29 | doub | cafuego: so that you can do the same on low-end, pda, whatever, as on a desktop computer, with a little more effort |
| 01:57.36 | teemu_ | maher: trying to get "hwaddress ether 00:10:A7:02:69:53" or "pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:10:A7:02:69:52" working :I |
| 01:57.41 | fo | ahm, is there even a chance for that i could compile mysql4.0 by myself ? |
| 01:57.48 | benjamindees | BrettMeister, the last time I installed Woody on a desktop was three years ago, so yes that's my recollection |
| 01:57.57 | jetdotnet | BrettMeister: it saves you from having to upgrade to sarge from woody, for one, installs alsa by default... |
| 01:58.11 | maher | teemu_: is this a wireless option? |
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| 01:58.19 | teemu_ | maher: nope |
| 01:58.28 | teemu_ | does it need to be? |
| 01:58.32 | maher | teemu_: do you want to use ifrename? |
| 01:58.34 | BrettMeister | Hmmmm....all interesting comments. I'm a little more easy with the idea of trying to install Sarge now. |
| 01:58.43 | teemu_ | maher: ifrename? :o |
| 01:58.53 | teemu_ | you mean renewing mac? |
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| 01:59.11 | maher | teemu_: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:59.33 | doub | cafuego: but some people seem to have forgotten this (to me) brilliant point of view |
| 01:59.51 | shingouz | BrettMeister: if you have an empty computer there and you are planning on installing linux on it why not just grab the sarge netinstall disk and go for it. unless you have some real exotic hardware there it shoudl install without any big problems |
| 01:59.53 | amphi | doub: indeed :( |
| 01:59.57 | maher | teemu_: is this an ifconfig option? |
| 02:00.06 | BrettMeister | Guys, I'm looking at the devel/debian-installer page. Is that where I would download the distro Sarge from? |
| 02:00.16 | shingouz | !d-i |
| 02:00.16 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 02:00.18 | teemu_ | maher: I'm trying to get ifup eth0 to change my mac if it has changed, and, even it wouldn't it would still try to put that Specific mac |
| 02:00.20 | chealer | jetdotnet: are you sure it installs alsa by default? |
| 02:00.29 | chealer | BrettMeister: yes |
| 02:00.40 | jetdotnet | chealer, yeah... |
| 02:00.47 | teemu_ | maher: like ifdown eth0 && ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:10:A7:02:69:53 && ifup eth0 would do |
| 02:00.55 | teemu_ | but, I wanna have it to interfaces file |
| 02:01.01 | maher | teemu_: if its an ifconfig option just add it as the next line after iface eth0... |
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| 02:01.41 | jetdotnet | chealer: at least for a 2.6 install it does alsa by default, can't say about 2.4 cuz i never wanted a 2.4 kernel |
| 02:01.46 | maher | teemu_: i.e.: iface eth0 inet dhcp \ hw ether blah |
| 02:02.07 | maher | teemu_: in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:02.23 | teemu_ | maher: YES I KNOW. damn, I have told that. I read the manual, and I did exacly that is manual said, "add line 'hwaddress ether 00:10:A7:02:69:53' to /etc/network/intefaces under iface eth0 section" BUT IT DOESN't WORK |
| 02:02.34 | maher | teemu_: how on earth is your mac address changing? |
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| 02:03.03 | BrettMeister | chealer: Is the netinst CD image what I'm after on that page? Is the debian installer a part of that ISO? |
| 02:03.11 | jetdotnet | yes netinst |
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| 02:03.19 | jetdotnet | or businesscard |
| 02:03.22 | jetdotnet | either/or |
| 02:03.35 | jetdotnet | i prefer netinst, other ppl like businesscard |
| 02:03.51 | teemu_ | maher: it isn't, but I needed to put that computers mac to my router, to get same ip to that router, ( now that computer which I wanna have that different mac is inside lan, so it wouldn't conflict internet), |
| 02:04.06 | BrettMeister | Thanks folks. You've really helped. You are really decent. I appreciat that. :-) |
| 02:04.08 | teemu_ | maher: and if I reboot that, mac goes to default, |
| 02:04.26 | jetdotnet | some routers have a clone mac address option in their web config page |
| 02:04.29 | ethics | anyone: best way to get spam assasin to run on a gateway server to pass back to a internal exchange(bah MS) server |
| 02:04.34 | maher | teemu_: i didn't understand that |
| 02:04.41 | chealer | jetdotnet: do you know the precise difference between both? |
| 02:04.56 | maher | teemu_: your network card should have a mac - it should be the same from boot to boot |
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| 02:05.31 | jetdotnet | between both what.... images? netinst has base, businesscard does not, iirc |
| 02:05.33 | ethics | teemu_: its sometimes on a label stuck on the card |
| 02:05.54 | jetdotnet | or about 60 megs |
| 02:06.01 | jetdotnet | 115 vs 54 or so |
| 02:06.20 | teemu_ | maher: well, simply, I got new router, I needed to move that another computers ip to that router, I did that by changin routers mac, but now I need to change that computer ip from what I moved that ip to get ip from that router. |
| 02:06.58 | maher | teemu_: what gives out the ips |
| 02:06.58 | teemu_ | my isp specifies ip:s by mac, and I don't wanna my ip to change, yet.. |
| 02:07.12 | chealer | jetdotnet: ah, ok, businesscard only his required? |
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| 02:07.27 | chealer | s/his/has |
| 02:07.31 | jetdotnet | businesscard should be all you need |
| 02:07.40 | jetdotnet | and a net connection |
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| 02:08.06 | teemu_ | maher: I got my internet ip from my isp:s dhcpd, and I get my lan ip:s from my routers dhcpd, but that one computer doesn't get that ip because normally it's mac is same as that router, but after changin that one computer's mac, it would get that mac too |
| 02:08.07 | maher | teemu_: so the router has a mac your isp maps to a particular ip - are you sure they are really doing this, have you tried with a different computer |
| 02:08.08 | jetdotnet | heck try the boot floppies |
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| 02:08.46 | maher | teemu_: so you have set the routers mac to the same mac as a computer you are trying to plug into it? |
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| 02:09.02 | teemu_ | aerg, why we have to do this so difficult, just tell me why pre-up doesn't work, or why "hwaddress/hwaddr ether newmac" doesn't work :< |
| 02:09.24 | maher | teemu_: can you change the mac with ifconfig at all? |
| 02:09.32 | teemu_ | maher: yes I can |
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| 02:09.36 | teemu_ | I have tested it, |
| 02:09.52 | teemu_ | but now I wanna make that "automatic" |
| 02:10.00 | maher | teemu_: paste interfaces in #flood |
| 02:10.13 | teemu_ | maher: I prefer using pastebin.com |
| 02:10.15 | maher | teemu_: i bet your isp is too lazy to really bind ips to macs |
| 02:10.20 | maher | teemu_: ok |
| 02:10.29 | jbAU | anyone have any experience in creating metapackages? |
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| 02:10.42 | Guerin | jbAU: several hundred eebian developers, I'd guess |
| 02:10.51 | Guerin | and some debian devs, too |
| 02:11.00 | jbAU | Guerin: yes well I suppose so, I just want to learn how to do so |
| 02:11.15 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 02:11.16 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 02:11.30 | teemu_ | maher: http://www.pastebin.com/276475 |
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| 02:11.54 | disasm | i have a 2.6 kernel and debian sarge. I'm setting up ipsec in tunnel mode. The tunnel is up and working, but with the firewall off or on, all I get through is icmp packets. I can't actually use the tunnel, except pinging through it. I nmapped a machine behind the other side of the tunnel, and it said all ports are filtered |
| 02:12.06 | teemu_ | maher: I even tested pre-up echo something > /root/something |
| 02:12.11 | teemu_ | but even that didn't work |
| 02:12.19 | teemu_ | so it even doesn't try to commit that command |
| 02:12.32 | jbAU | Guerin: i suppose a meta or virtual package is just a package with pre-requistes |
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| 02:13.10 | disasm | i should probly also mention it's a nat setup with 192.168.1.0/24 on the one side, and 192.168.11.0/24 on the other, route has been added on both sides |
| 02:13.49 | maher | teemu_: that's not how you do it |
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| 02:14.24 | shingouz | teemu_: from what i have seen from your isp they do not bind to the mac at all. try without the "correct" mac, a dhcp (and possibly correctly configured PPPoE) should do it, you should be on a dynamic ip in anycase |
| 02:14.37 | teemu_ | well, that should work too :I, I know, really there should be line "hwaddress ether thatmac" |
| 02:14.40 | maher | teemu_: i gotta go - but just add the hw ether blah line to intrefaces and then strace /etc/init.d/network restart and see if its calling ifconfig with it |
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| 02:15.23 | jbAU | ok - i've read the debian maintainers guide but there's nothing there on virtual or meta packages |
| 02:15.30 | teemu_ | shingouz: yes, I am under dynamic ip, but, they bind ip's to specific mac for certain time, so, if mac doesn't change, my ip doesn't change |
| 02:15.40 | bob2 | jbAU: virtual ones are in policy |
| 02:15.53 | bob2 | jbAU: meta packages are just packages that Depend on other ones |
| 02:16.12 | jbAU | bob2: excellent - so i'll have a look in policy - thanks |
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| 02:16.17 | shingouz | teemu_: so use dyndns or some other system to get a "static" address |
| 02:16.41 | ia3264 | is there somethin that does the opposite and gives you a dynamic address |
| 02:16.42 | teemu_ | shingouz: well, nope :P, just because I need to have this specific ip for now |
| 02:16.51 | teemu_ | shingouz: I know what im doing |
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| 02:17.15 | shingouz | just do it the way maher jsut suggested, teemu_ |
| 02:17.25 | teemu_ | shingouz: I would buy static ip, but that cost damn lot, 9eur/month and starters about 60eur |
| 02:17.31 | teemu_ | shingouz: allthetime |
| 02:17.42 | jmspeex | Anyone can help me setup a tftp server? |
| 02:18.16 | Guerin | echnical term, that one |
| 02:18.24 | Guerin | +t |
| 02:18.28 | shingouz | yup :) |
| 02:18.44 | disasm | jmspeex: not necessarilly what your looking for but this is how i figured out how to do it: http://www.pvv.org/~pladsen/Indy/HOWTO.html |
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| 02:20.36 | jmspeex | can debian use xinetd instead of inetd? |
| 02:20.37 | disasm | shingouz: my guess is he needs an ip because whatever he's using needs a reverse dns lookup to verify a name (like irc server, or ipsec, or whatnot) |
| 02:20.46 | cafuego | jmspeex: yes. just install it. |
| 02:20.49 | jmspeex | (I have instructions for xinetd) |
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| 02:20.51 | Guerin | jmspeex: sure |
| 02:21.18 | disasm | jmspeex: did you try apt-get install xinetd? |
| 02:21.18 | jmspeex | Can I run the two together? |
| 02:21.20 | disasm | now why would you want to do that? |
| 02:21.28 | teemu_ | mhmhm |
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| 02:21.47 | jmspeex | disasm: just don't want to screw things that worked with inetd |
| 02:22.13 | Skrot | Does the standard debian kernel (2.6-series) support the onboard nforce network controller? |
| 02:22.25 | disasm | jmspeex: i think it's one or the other, but i could be wrong |
| 02:22.30 | jmspeex | basically, does the following inetd.conf line make sense: "tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /tftpboot"? |
| 02:22.32 | jbAU | Skrot: yeah |
| 02:22.43 | jbAU | Skrot: nforce1 |
| 02:22.52 | bob2 | jmspeex: it should add the correct line when you install it |
| 02:22.56 | fo | hmm, im configuring mysql-4.0.24 from mysql-dfsg-4.0.24-orig package and it hangs on config.status error connot find input file Docs/Makefile.in - isnt this package little bit broken ? |
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| 02:23.12 | shingouz | disasm: i run an irc server on a dynamic ip with a dyndns client. runs nicely btw |
| 02:23.31 | stew | fo: how are you trying to configure it? you should be editing debian/rules |
| 02:23.35 | bob2 | fo: how are yuo building it? did you install all the build-deps? are you on sid? |
| 02:23.36 | Guerin | fo: no. If that's a stock debian package then it builds automatically if you do it right. |
| 02:23.56 | disasm | shingouz: how do you get around the reverse dns lookups? i have to have the hub change my ip in the config everytime it changes... |
| 02:24.01 | Guerin | fo: packages don't make it into debian if they don't build without intervention. |
| 02:24.02 | Skrot | jbAU: what about nforce 2? |
| 02:24.12 | jbAU | Skrot: can't verify that for you - but i think so |
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| 02:24.15 | teemu_ | mhmh |
| 02:24.18 | chealer | Skrot: yes |
| 02:24.23 | Skrot | okay :) |
| 02:24.36 | shingouz | disasm: just depends on how the hub is configured, some ircd's can handle urls |
| 02:24.40 | jmspeex | bob2: that's what was installed, but I found it odd that udp would use tcpd... |
| 02:24.41 | Skrot | chealer: is the chipset itself good supported? |
| 02:25.42 | fo | hmm, all you know that im just another newbe here, so.. i say it like that : im trying to configure from the tar.gz source archive, im on sarge, but.. im new in debian and dont know lot of things i suppouse to .. |
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| 02:26.04 | stew | fo: /msg dpkg debian/rules; /msg dpkg source |
| 02:26.18 | chealer | Skrot: yes, I have no problem with SL-75 FRN2-L at least |
| 02:26.21 | stew | !wayc fo |
| 02:26.22 | dpkg | fo: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 02:26.28 | teemu_ | aerg |
| 02:26.48 | Skrot | chealer: okay, thanks. Turns out it was a nforce 3 anyway :> |
| 02:26.57 | Thrawn | I have a poweredge 1850, im using kernel 2.4.27-2-686-smp but it only detects 256m of ram (should detect 2 gigs); any ideas? |
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| 02:27.21 | simonrvn | Thrawn: debian, or your kernel? |
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| 02:27.51 | danikata | hi all.. good morning |
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| 02:27.53 | teemu_ | only what that ifconfig eth0 hw ether with strace could told me was that, it cant do something to some files at /proc because there is none of those files, but, still it worked, at command line it works, why not at interfaces |
| 02:28.04 | Thrawn | simon: anything? bios finds it fine, cat /proc/meminfo doesnt see anything more than 256 |
| 02:28.27 | simonrvn | a) tab complete my nick b) answer my question |
| 02:28.29 | Thrawn | im using sarge, with kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 02:28.31 | disasm | mornin' danikata (almost bed time here, but I'm guessing your from australia) |
| 02:28.32 | shingouz | teemu_: you still use the same interfaces file you pasted? |
| 02:28.33 | danikata | i cant find "netcardconfig" in sarge, |
| 02:28.42 | bob2 | fo: ok, so why are you building it at all? |
| 02:28.49 | bob2 | danikata: I don't think that's ever been in Debian |
| 02:28.56 | danikata | nope im from indonesia (near australia) |
| 02:29.05 | disasm | danikata: i was close ;-) |
| 02:29.10 | prodope | what's the command to see memory usage? |
| 02:29.17 | simonrvn | Thrawn: grep MEM /boot/config-$(uname -r), and paste that in #flood |
| 02:29.22 | danikata | sorry i dont know before bob2 |
| 02:29.25 | disasm | prodope: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 02:29.29 | bob2 | prodope: free -m |
| 02:29.40 | jmspeex | OK, tftpd wouldn't work, but atftpd worked right out of the box... |
| 02:29.46 | danikata | how to change ip address in debian ? would u help me ? |
| 02:29.59 | Guerin | danikata: man interfaces |
| 02:30.03 | prodope | thanks bob2 |
| 02:30.04 | teemu_ | shingouz: well, nope, I tried both, using that hwaddress ether 00:10:A7:02:69:53 and pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:10:A7:02:69:53 |
| 02:30.06 | shingouz | danikata: man ifconfig |
| 02:30.15 | Guerin | danikata: the first question is: "where do you get your ip address from itfp?" |
| 02:30.20 | disasm | danikata: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:30.26 | bob2 | jmspeex: not all hardware can use all tftp servers |
| 02:31.29 | gs` | to install gdesklets , the cmd is apt-get install gdesklets ? |
| 02:31.30 | disasm | danikata: etherconf is a gui tool that does it |
| 02:31.32 | jmspeex | bob2: what do you mean? |
| 02:31.42 | shingouz | teemu_: iface eth0 inet dhcp hw ether 00:10:A7:02:69:53 <--- try that in the interfaces |
| 02:32.13 | disasm | gs`: apt-cache search gdesklets should tell you |
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| 02:32.57 | fo | bob2 : i was trying to set up mysql4.0.24 from deb and i make it, but i have one thing to do... -> add a charset=latin2 to be supported, and hmm, one more thing : when i was compiling the php4 configure said that it cant get headers from my mysql or smth like that... - my last distro was slackware so ive got some problems on debian, you know, old habits |
| 02:33.14 | teemu_ | shingouz: nope, doesn't work |
| 02:33.15 | bob2 | fo: dude, don't compile php |
| 02:33.17 | bob2 | please |
| 02:33.37 | disasm | fo: apt-get install php4 mysql should do the trick |
| 02:33.41 | shingouz | teemu_: out of ideas :( |
| 02:33.43 | fo | bob2 : why ? is it wrong ? teach me about it |
| 02:33.55 | disasm | fo: and if you compiled php apt-get install apache or apache2 |
| 02:34.00 | bob2 | fo: it's pointless and a waste of time |
| 02:34.02 | fo | apache2 |
| 02:34.06 | buu | fo: Dude, don't install php. please. |
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| 02:34.14 | teemu_ | shingouz: :< |
| 02:34.20 | mwilson | Why would someone think they needed to compile PHP4? |
| 02:34.20 | ^vir^ | lol |
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| 02:34.46 | ^vir^ | mwilson, to allow it to work with fcgi |
| 02:34.59 | mwilson | Whatever that is. |
| 02:35.04 | Guerin | heh, the manpage for OfflineIMAP is awesome |
| 02:35.11 | ^vir^ | fast cgi |
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| 02:35.18 | bob2 | everything about offlineimap is awesome |
| 02:35.25 | bob2 | ^vir^: use it as an apache module |
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| 02:35.32 | Guerin | i've been meaning to get it working for ages |
| 02:35.38 | Guerin | but have been much too lazy |
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| 02:36.47 | fo | hmm, maybe i ask smth like that : does anybody know some man's faq's howto's to set up own configuration of apache+mysql+php ? |
| 02:37.26 | bob2 | fo: ok, you're on a real distro now |
| 02:37.34 | bob2 | fo: you don't need to compile things from a scorched earth |
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| 02:39.15 | fo | bob2 : but what im suppouse to do when i want for an instance gd support enabled in php, or xml, zlib, mhash ? |
| 02:39.23 | bob2 | fo: you look harder |
| 02:39.31 | bob2 | fo: and realise that php in Debian has ALL of them already |
| 02:39.35 | bob2 | fo: then just install them |
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| 02:42.28 | the_p0pe | so. anyone here involved in debian-arm ? |
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| 02:42.40 | jazzanova | hi |
| 02:42.46 | jazzanova | does anyone use 'gallery' ? |
| 02:43.02 | disasm | jazzanova: yeah, why? |
| 02:43.21 | jazzanova | i am trying to move images between albums, and it does resize everytime -- hence, very slow. |
| 02:43.24 | fo | ye but there is one thing that's making it so hard - my less knowledge with debian so.. just install them dont look easy. |
| 02:43.31 | jazzanova | do you know that I can do about it ? |
| 02:43.58 | disasm | resizes in moves between? never did that on mine... |
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| 02:44.05 | bob2 | fo: install php4 and php4-xml and php4-zlib and ... |
| 02:44.14 | jazzanova | so you move from one album to another, and it is fast ? |
| 02:44.17 | bob2 | the_p0pe: you'd be way better off using their list |
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| 02:44.23 | mwilson | Oh, goodie... AMD64 are taking all their toys and going home. |
| 02:44.26 | disasm | jazzanova: yeah |
| 02:44.26 | jazzanova | Resizing/compressing original image |
| 02:44.27 | jazzanova | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.28 | jazzanova | - Resizing dsc00150 |
| 02:44.34 | jazzanova | it is strange |
| 02:44.34 | the_p0pe | bob2 : ok. |
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| 02:44.42 | disasm | it only does that when i upload new pictures |
| 02:44.43 | jazzanova | it says, no resize required, yet it does resize. |
| 02:45.08 | disasm | yeah, mines really fast, and it's running on a 366 with 256 mb ram |
| 02:45.18 | jazzanova | hmm |
| 02:45.33 | doublehp | in HTML URLs, '%3F' stands for '?' ... what in the code for '&' ? |
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| 02:45.42 | disasm | maybe check your setup settings, make sure it's not an option in there somewhere |
| 02:45.56 | stew | doublehp: & |
| 02:46.59 | Guerin | apt-cache search offlineimap |egrep 'ssl|tls' |
| 02:47.03 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:47.17 | fo | bob2 : so can you give me some advice with installing mysql4 with latin2 charset support ? |
| 02:47.28 | bob2 | fo: I don't know what that means |
| 02:47.33 | furrywolf | doublehp: it's just hexadecimal. look at an ascii table, and whatever's in the hex column, put a % in front of it. |
| 02:47.44 | bob2 | fo: but I would be really really really surprised if something so trivial required compiling anything |
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| 02:48.45 | belracu | how to mount a usb cd-writer |
| 02:48.50 | belracu | or a cdrom |
| 02:49.09 | furrywolf | belracu: check syslog/messages/etc to see what device name it got |
| 02:49.20 | stew | doublehp: i lied, its %26 |
| 02:49.35 | Guerin | belracu: man mount |
| 02:50.39 | belracu | I did plugin |
| 02:51.06 | disasm | i have a 2.6 kernel and debian sarge. I'm setting up ipsec in tunnel mode. The tunnel is up and working, but with the firewall off or on, all I get through is icmp packets. I can't actually use the tunnel, except pinging through it. I nmapped a machine behind the other side of the tunnel, and it said all ports are filtered |
| 02:51.08 | belracu | but i need to know which modues i need to insert before i mount the cd-writer? |
| 02:51.56 | jazzanova | listen, the directory where i store albums is nfsmounted from another machine. |
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| 02:52.09 | jazzanova | maybe it is doing network copy, and that is why it is slow ? |
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| 02:52.51 | toresbe | CDs measure in real base-1024 megabytes, rite? |
| 02:52.55 | jazzanova | disasm |
| 02:52.58 | teemu_ | mhm |
| 02:52.58 | teemu_ | at my another computer that pre-up works |
| 02:52.58 | teemu_ | I think it is either kernel problem or missing software |
| 02:52.58 | teemu_ | now Im going to compare softwares that are installed |
| 02:53.04 | disasm | jazzanova: yeah? |
| 02:53.07 | toresbe | oops, wrong window |
| 02:53.18 | jazzanova | disasm: the directory where i store albums is nfsmounted from another machine |
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| 02:53.27 | jazzanova | could it be responsible for the lag ? |
| 02:53.48 | doublehp | furrywolf: stew whats wrong with <A HREF='archives-ml.php%3FA=READ%26L=spot_doublehp.org%2F2005%2F1%2F17%2F0.html'> to access a local file called archives-ml.php\?A\=READ\&L\=spot_doublehp.org%2F2005%2F1%2F17%2F0.html ? |
| 02:53.50 | Vyrus001 | jazzanova: cool name... u listen to the band i assume ? |
| 02:53.59 | jazzanova | yes, some songs. |
| 02:54.09 | jazzanova | :) |
| 02:54.15 | disasm | jazzanova: maybe, i dont know, try moving the album locally and see if it has any affect |
| 02:54.34 | Vyrus001 | jablko: the remixes is the best album set |
| 02:54.40 | Vyrus001 | jazzanova: |
| 02:54.40 | Delph | doublehp: well, you've missed out the encoding of at least one "\" in there |
| 02:54.59 | jazzanova | disasm: when you are moving, does it write the worksd "Resizing..." ? |
| 02:55.14 | disasm | let me try... |
| 02:55.14 | jazzanova | words |
| 02:55.21 | doublehp | Delph: there is no \ in the file name |
| 02:55.22 | kermit | who da fuk is jazzanova |
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| 02:56.00 | doublehp | Delph: archives-ml.php?A=READ&L=spot_doublehp.org%2F2005%2F1%2F17%2F0.html |
| 02:56.09 | furrywolf | doublehp: you probably don't want to encode the first ? or the first &, guessing at what you're trying to do. |
| 02:56.14 | ethics | hmmm....command to bring up harddisks that are detected on what dev? |
| 02:56.30 | disasm | jazzanova: yeah it does |
| 02:56.42 | doublehp | furrywolf: I want a <A HREF> to be able to access the local file archives-ml.php?A=READ&L=spot_doublehp.org%2F2005%2F1%2F17%2F0.htm |
| 02:56.53 | disasm | jazzanova: it took maybe 2 seconds at most to do though, no long wait |
| 02:56.55 | Delph | doublehp: you're not encoding the % signs, then. |
| 02:57.03 | furrywolf | doublehp: <a href="archives-ml.php?A=READ&L=spot_doublehp.org%2F2005%2F1%2F17%2F0.htm">? |
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| 02:57.19 | doublehp | furrywolf: so I have to encode also '%' ? |
| 02:57.22 | jazzanova | disasm: ok, then it must be the nfs |
| 02:57.25 | Delph | %2F is encoded by %(whatever a % is escaped by)2F |
| 02:57.26 | jazzanova | thanks :) |
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| 02:57.36 | furrywolf | doublehp: <a href="archives-ml.php?A=READ&L=spot_doublehp.org%2F2005%2F1%2F17%2F0.htm"> |
| 02:57.38 | furrywolf | try that |
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| 02:57.44 | doublehp | furrywolf: no :) cause then, when coppied on a webserver, '?' will build arguments ... not file names ... |
| 02:58.03 | furrywolf | isn't that what you're trying to do? |
| 02:58.10 | doublehp | furrywolf: ah .... """" |
| 02:58.12 | ethics | anyone: command to work out what /dev/XXX a hard disk has been allocated? |
| 02:58.13 | Guerin | why do you have to use manglation in a filename? |
| 02:58.18 | Guerin | that shit is just wrong |
| 02:58.26 | Guerin | ethics: dmesg |
| 02:58.32 | Guerin | ethics: or fdisk -l |
| 02:58.38 | Delph | Guerin: because you stole it from a random other website with wget -r =:) |
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| 02:58.53 | Guerin | Delph: man rename :) |
| 02:59.10 | Delph | Guerin: man mmv, plllleeaaase |
| 02:59.10 | rectum | clear -all |
| 02:59.10 | rectum | scrollback clear |
| 03:00.05 | Guerin | i thought up the ultimate filename sanitisation regexp a while back - it was quite huge, and basically reduced all filenames sanely to A-Z,a-z,1-9,_-. |
| 03:00.10 | Guerin | hah |
| 03:00.12 | Guerin | word |
| 03:00.23 | doublehp | Delph: furrywolf and the winner is: <A HREF="archives%2Dml.php%3FA=READ%26L%3Dspot_doublehp.org%252F2005%252F1%252F17%252F0.html"> |
| 03:00.48 | rectum | oops |
| 03:00.50 | rectum | goddamit |
| 03:00.52 | rectum | brb |
| 03:01.12 | furrywolf | dondel: if you want to have fun, if you have a shell on a box where you know what terminal the admin uses, put vt100 escape codes in filenames. :) |
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| 03:01.29 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: I will report a bug against wget to create such file names, and non working URLs (even when using special options for all that ) |
| 03:01.30 | Delph | doublehp: told ja so =:) |
| 03:01.55 | Delph | doublehp: when did wget produce those filenames? |
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| 03:02.06 | Delph | is it just not encoding %'s properly? |
| 03:02.08 | doublehp | Delph: 2d ago |
| 03:02.19 | Delph | doublehp: when during the process, silly. |
| 03:02.20 | Guerin | grrr, offlineimap has crashed while syncing |
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| 03:02.38 | Delph | by non-working URLs -- was it the rewriting of the pages that failed? |
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| 03:03.28 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: those filenames are necessarily ugly... I'm talking about creating filenames that are fugly when you can use something sane trivially. |
| 03:04.17 | furrywolf | I used to have a collection of stupidly named files... things like ".. ", vt100 escapes, etc. :) |
| 03:04.29 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: 'course, websites that produce filenames like that should be taken out back and shot. It's not like it's that difficult to use a real live apache request handler to generate names that make sense. |
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| 03:05.15 | kuon | hello |
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| 03:05.25 | disasm | ello' |
| 03:05.37 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: hmmm my website did not do that ... the hoster of my ML did :( |
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| 03:05.49 | kuon | when upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6, I got a problem with the root=/dev/hda3 menu.lst line |
| 03:06.07 | kuon | the kernel panic telling me that I have to give a correct root= argument |
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| 03:06.33 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: What is you version string? "Trojan Extra Strong" or "Norton Anti IRC 6.1" ? |
| 03:06.54 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: "You, Sir, Madam, Vegetable or Mineral, are a Fucking Moron. Kindly Fuck the Fuck Off." |
| 03:07.04 | rectum | lol |
| 03:07.06 | rectum | thats hilarious |
| 03:07.15 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I suppose a cpu is technically mineral... |
| 03:07.25 | rectum | is mineral same as metal? |
| 03:07.25 | jetdotnet | kuon: more like it's trying to boot off of /deb/hda3, but the initrd or the fs support isn'[t right |
| 03:07.33 | rectum | are metal minerals? what is the distinction? |
| 03:07.39 | cafuego | rectum: silicon isn't a metal. |
| 03:07.49 | jetdotnet | a type of metal could be a mineral |
| 03:07.50 | cafuego | neither are arsenic or gallium |
| 03:07.57 | jetdotnet | but not all minerals are metals |
| 03:07.58 | rectum | but that is not ALL a proc comprises of |
| 03:08.13 | freedonamy | Alguém do Brazil ? |
| 03:08.13 | ethics | ok now im confused......i have 2 harddisks IDE popping up in my bios but sarge aint seeing them.... |
| 03:08.15 | teemu_ | err |
| 03:08.16 | cafuego | !br |
| 03:08.17 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:08.20 | jetdotnet | there is no metalupyourass |
| 03:08.27 | jetdotnet | wait.. yes there is |
| 03:08.44 | kuon | jetdotnet, I compiled with ext3 support, so it should work, what can be wrong in initrd? |
| 03:09.08 | jetdotnet | kuon: how did you obtain your new kernel, apt-get install? |
| 03:09.08 | jvives | hey all, got a question... how did you install java under debian? |
| 03:09.11 | furrywolf | jetdot: metal butt plugs are relatively expensive, at least compared to vinyl... silicone's expensive too though. |
| 03:09.19 | kuon | I compiled it from source |
| 03:09.24 | cafuego | jvives: via java-package and the jre/jdk .bin from Sun. |
| 03:09.27 | kuon | by apt-get install |
| 03:09.32 | teemu_ | ;p |
| 03:09.35 | cafuego | jvives: If you don't run ia32 you may be SOL. |
| 03:09.36 | ethics | ok i have 1 drive sda0 whcih is my Debian drive i also have 2 IDE drives ....debian wont mount the IDEs says no media |
| 03:09.36 | jvives | thx |
| 03:09.37 | kuon | I grabbed the full source |
| 03:09.44 | kuon | then make menuconfig and make install |
| 03:09.55 | jetdotnet | kuon: ah.. ok and did you use make-kpkg or did it the old way |
| 03:09.58 | jetdotnet | ah |
| 03:10.02 | jetdotnet | mkinitrd |
| 03:10.06 | Moonscope | anyone else having trouble apt-getting unstable packages? |
| 03:10.09 | kuon | old way |
| 03:10.11 | Moonscope | im getting this error |
| 03:10.13 | simonrvn | no |
| 03:10.22 | jetdotnet | you need to make an initrd probably, or configure the boot loader to not look for an initrd |
| 03:10.29 | cafuego | no, just fetched nearly 250Mb of shit |
| 03:10.32 | jetdotnet | btw make-kpkg rocks |
| 03:10.33 | dondelelcaro | Moonscope: perhaps you could give us the error? |
| 03:10.38 | kuon | ok |
| 03:10.41 | kuon | I'll RTFM |
| 03:10.45 | kuon | thanks for help |
| 03:10.59 | jetdotnet | make-kpkg --initrd if you want one, just edit menu.lst if you don't |
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| 03:11.06 | jetdotnet | or mkinitrd |
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| 03:11.44 | jcook | is usbfs the same as usbdevfs ? |
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| 03:12.16 | jetdotnet | !kp |
| 03:12.16 | dpkg | hmm... kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 03:12.19 | cafuego | jcook: The pointer is, but it's value isn't. |
| 03:12.26 | cafuego | s/'// |
| 03:12.40 | jcook | cafuego: what? |
| 03:12.47 | jetdotnet | you had the ''s right |
| 03:12.57 | jetdotnet | ' 's |
| 03:13.12 | cafuego | jetdotnet: No, i did not. |
| 03:13.22 | kuon | is there any player that can play music from a webdav fs? |
| 03:13.28 | kuon | without mounting it? |
| 03:13.28 | cafuego | jcook: yes, they're the same, but have different names. |
| 03:13.31 | jetdotnet | did too! :p |
| 03:13.39 | furrywolf | other than distributing a kernel image, is there any benefit to making kernels the debian way? |
| 03:13.48 | kuon | or a player that can read an itunes daap source? |
| 03:14.10 | cafuego | jetdotnet: The correct spelling would be "The pointer is, but its value isn't." |
| 03:14.13 | jetdotnet | furrywolf: that's more like w/initrd, not 'the debian way' |
| 03:14.15 | Moonscope | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 03:14.16 | Moonscope | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 03:14.18 | Moonscope | E: Error occured while processing multisync (NewVersion1) |
| 03:14.19 | Moonscope | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.aarnet.edu.au_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 03:14.21 | Moonscope | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 03:14.21 | cafuego | !dyanmic mmap |
| 03:14.23 | jetdotnet | it's possesive |
| 03:14.30 | cafuego | !dynamic mmap |
| 03:14.30 | dpkg | somebody said dynamic mmap was "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 03:14.39 | Moonscope | dondelelcaro: sorry, got called away. |
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| 03:15.16 | Moonscope | it didnt work cafuego |
| 03:15.18 | furrywolf | jetdot: I was more responding to the dpkg factoid in general. :) |
| 03:15.25 | Moonscope | oops my fault |
| 03:15.31 | cafuego | jetdotnet: Correct. Thus no apostrophe. |
| 03:15.34 | teemu_ | !pre-up |
| 03:15.38 | teemu_ | mm |
| 03:15.39 | teemu_ | :I |
| 03:15.40 | cafuego | !blame Moonscope |
| 03:15.47 | jetdotnet | the debian way doesn't require initrd, but initrd is what you want for multi arch kernels |
| 03:15.47 | Moonscope | hahahah |
| 03:15.54 | teemu_ | !blame someone |
| 03:15.54 | jetdotnet | aka multi box |
| 03:15.57 | teemu_ | aah |
| 03:16.14 | stew | multi arch kernel, hmm |
| 03:16.35 | jetdotnet | ok ok box dang it |
| 03:16.57 | kuon | I'll try |
| 03:17.02 | kuon | rebooting |
| 03:17.04 | kuon | see you |
| 03:17.10 | jetdotnet | gl |
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| 03:18.27 | jetdotnet | worng! it's!!!!!!!! |
| 03:18.35 | ethics | anyone know why an IDE drive wouldn't get partition numbers ie i get /dev/hda but i cant mount it...im expecting to see /dev/hda0 |
| 03:18.37 | jetdotnet | !punctuate cafuego |
| 03:18.46 | simonrvn | !aolify jetdotnet |
| 03:19.05 | Callie | anyone seen money,am? |
| 03:19.10 | Callie | moneyman? |
| 03:19.30 | simonrvn | !seen moneyman |
| 03:19.31 | dpkg | moneyman <~chatzilla@adsl-68-126-218-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 20h 33m 15s ago, saying: 'How do I change my name in channel without accessing program. I mean is there a /name command?'. |
| 03:19.31 | jetdotnet | .dict it's |
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| 03:19.50 | kuonSama | I'm back |
| 03:19.52 | kuonSama | on 2.6 |
| 03:19.56 | jetdotnet | damn bot |
| 03:19.59 | jetdotnet | \o/ |
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| 03:20.06 | kuonSama | is it normal that my computer is now 5x faster? |
| 03:20.06 | Callie | thanks simonrvn i'll remember that one |
| 03:20.11 | jetdotnet | !congratulate kuonSama |
| 03:20.12 | dpkg | Nice one kuonSama, you did it! |
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| 03:20.17 | kuonSama | lol |
| 03:20.26 | kuonSama | but I forgot the usb module for my mouse |
| 03:20.30 | kuonSama | stupid I am |
| 03:20.31 | kuonSama | lol |
| 03:20.35 | furrywolf | !seen !moo |
| 03:20.35 | dpkg | i haven't seen '!moo', furrywolf |
| 03:20.46 | Callie | hey fur |
| 03:20.48 | kingsley | !seen ? |
| 03:20.53 | Callie | hey furrywolf |
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| 03:21.08 | jetdotnet | http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=it%27s |
| 03:21.14 | Callie | thanks again for the help the other night |
| 03:21.25 | furrywolf | just thinking of fun ways of making the bots do things to each other. too bad I don't remember any of ravenbird's commands. :) |
| 03:21.35 | ethics | anyone have clues on these ide drives not showing up right? |
| 03:21.46 | jetdotnet | ethics: they're not in fstab? |
| 03:22.00 | kingsley | ethics: I may. |
| 03:22.05 | kingsley | ethics: I just installed one. |
| 03:22.16 | ethics | nah 2 new ides put into system from other box....just need to rip some data off them....ntfs drives only want readonly access |
| 03:22.25 | jetdotnet | !ro-ntfs |
| 03:22.25 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 03:22.30 | kingsley | ethics: Can you elaborate on *how* the IDE drives don't show up? |
| 03:22.36 | Callie | furrywolf, you where right about the capacitor rot, got a new mobo and everythings working again, cpu now runs at 25C |
| 03:22.45 | ethics | bios/cmos sees them...windows sees them debian wont see them |
| 03:22.56 | furrywolf | callie: glad to help. :) |
| 03:22.57 | jetdotnet | man mount, man fstab |
| 03:23.07 | jetdotnet | !manmount |
| 03:23.18 | kingsley | ethics: How is debian looking for the IDE drives? |
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| 03:23.36 | ethics | <kingsley>: /dev/hda /dev/hdc no partition numbers and when i say mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /mountpoint it spits and says no media |
| 03:23.50 | jetdotnet | need partition #;s |
| 03:23.51 | kuonSama | nah, I compiled the usb module |
| 03:23.55 | humbolt | I have a routing problem, but I think, there might be something wrong with linux IP stack |
| 03:24.01 | kuonSama | something changed for usb mouse support under 2.6? |
| 03:24.03 | disasm | ethics: /dev/hda1 |
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| 03:24.07 | ethics | im expecting to see /dev/hda0 /dev hdc0 |
| 03:24.09 | humbolt | now when I access the webserver via adsl I can ping/traceroute nicB of webserver and when I go the route through the firewall I can ping/traceroute nicA of webserver. |
| 03:24.12 | simonrvn | humbolt: i doubt it |
| 03:24.14 | jetdotnet | there is no 0 |
| 03:24.21 | humbolt | uups wrong line |
| 03:24.30 | ethics | hmm |
| 03:24.31 | humbolt | imagin a webserver with two nics, one in netA one in netB. then a cisco router1 with 2 nics one in netA one in netB. in netA there is also the coroprate firewalls public outside and another router2 that the adsl backend is connected to. the default route on the webserver however is set to router1 nicB. |
| 03:24.32 | ethics | kk tryin |
| 03:24.37 | kingsley | ethics: Does the "df" command show any hda partitions? |
| 03:24.47 | jetdotnet | the factoid ethics |
| 03:24.48 | humbolt | now when I access the webserver via adsl I can ping/traceroute nicB of webserver and when I go the route through the firewall I can ping/traceroute nicA of webserver. |
| 03:24.54 | jetdotnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.58 | kuonSama | in wich logfile is the boot log? |
| 03:25.04 | furrywolf | kuonsama: a lot has changed with usb mice in 2.6 |
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| 03:25.08 | humbolt | but either way the other nic does not respond! |
| 03:25.08 | jetdotnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.09 | furrywolf | with mice in general |
| 03:25.10 | simonrvn | funny, the stack works fine here |
| 03:25.17 | jetdotnet | see also /var/log |
| 03:25.17 | humbolt | however. when I take either nic down, the other one works both ways. |
| 03:25.24 | kingsley | kuonSama: /var/log/messages and "dmesg | more" |
| 03:25.47 | jetdotnet | dmesg | less ! |
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| 03:25.58 | ethics | <kingsley>: fd shows my normal fs temp udev and temp....no sign of the ntfs ides |
| 03:26.09 | humbolt | when both nics are enabled I have only one default gw set, when only one nic is up it is the one in the according net of course. |
| 03:26.09 | kuonSama | yes |
| 03:26.14 | kuonSama | but I don't have the same things |
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| 03:26.20 | kuonSama | I saw some FATAL. at boot |
| 03:26.23 | jetdotnet | ah udev... no idea here |
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| 03:26.39 | kuonSama | and cant find them in var/log with grep |
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| 03:27.03 | cafuego | to be successful in business of life and build upon your successes set goals |
| 03:27.03 | kingsley | ethics: Is /dev/hda on a remote box and you wish to mount it via ntfs? |
| 03:27.06 | cafuego | whoops |
| 03:27.16 | cafuego | stupid NaturallySpeaking |
| 03:27.26 | ethics | <kingsley> local.....debian is on a scsi drive...sda |
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| 03:28.03 | cafuego | is there any fairly decent speech recognition software for Linux? |
| 03:28.04 | kuonSama | my mouse is not even powered |
| 03:28.25 | kingsley | ethics: If the IDE drive is on the same box, I don't see why you'd need to involve NTFS. |
| 03:28.25 | jetdotnet | apt-get install modconf, look around after you run it |
| 03:28.36 | ethics | cafuego: i always laugh when i see the packaging for naturally speaking...i keep imagining captain kirk on the box... |
| 03:28.38 | kingsley | ethics: Why are you using NTFS? |
| 03:28.39 | jetdotnet | it's an ntfs drive perhaps |
| 03:28.48 | jetdotnet | that he wants to read data from |
| 03:29.00 | jetdotnet | (hey he said that even i think) |
| 03:29.22 | ethics | <kingsley> : im just ripping data off it....its moving house again soon after |
| 03:30.09 | ethics | <kingsley> it's no biggie i can just pop it into a windows system but im just confused as to why i dont get numbers just hda/hdc and unmountable |
| 03:30.20 | jetdotnet | [22:22:21] <ethics |
| 03:30.36 | jetdotnet | hda is the actual drive. hda1 would be the partition |
| 03:30.39 | kingsley | ethics: Have you checked /var/log/messages to see if the kernel saw it during boot? |
| 03:31.15 | jetdotnet | so one would mount /dev/hda1 somewhere, like /mnt/somedirectorynamedsomething |
| 03:32.03 | jetdotnet | see also ro-ntfs factoid |
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| 03:32.21 | jetdotnet | or, ls /dev and find the drive |
| 03:32.40 | jetdotnet | udev is a mystery to me though |
| 03:33.30 | EnterD | Im wanting to download Sarge. There are 14 ISO's......which ones do I need? |
| 03:33.32 | jetdotnet | !udev |
| 03:33.32 | dpkg | udev is probably at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
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| 03:33.38 | kingsley | ethics: If it's not mentioned in /var/log/messages and "dmesg | more", then I suspect it's the box's first IDE drive and when its kernel was installed, the initial ram disk (initrd) wasn't configured with an IDE driver. |
| 03:34.07 | ethics | <kingsley> i see the controller saying hi but no drives....checking bios again |
| 03:34.07 | jetdotnet | EnterD: the netinst or the businesscard only |
| 03:34.07 | ethics | <kingsley> : gotta be something dumb |
| 03:34.07 | EnterD | hmmm |
| 03:34.08 | jetdotnet | linux bypasses bios |
| 03:34.12 | EnterD | with the netinstall will it take a long time? |
| 03:34.27 | jetdotnet | 30 minutes or so for me |
| 03:34.32 | jetdotnet | 20 maybe |
| 03:34.35 | EnterD | ah |
| 03:34.36 | EnterD | alright |
| 03:34.55 | EnterD | will debian support my nforce2 controller SATA hard drives? |
| 03:35.04 | kingsley | ethics: Is this the box's first IDE drive? |
| 03:35.06 | jetdotnet | know if you want a 2.6 or 2.4 kernel, and put linux26 or expert26 if you want a 2.6 |
| 03:35.06 | EnterD | had nighmares with Fedora |
| 03:35.08 | robink | Why does Debian not bundle Mplayer? |
| 03:35.14 | jetdotnet | !mplayer |
| 03:35.14 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, or ask me about "marillat" |
| 03:35.25 | robink | ahh... 'licensing issues' |
| 03:35.32 | teemu_ | EnterD: netinstall depends on how fast your net is and how much you choose to install |
| 03:35.40 | chealer | jetdotnet: are you a channel regular? |
| 03:35.48 | jetdotnet | EnterD: not sure if it's supported natively |
| 03:35.55 | EnterD | hmm |
| 03:35.55 | jetdotnet | chealer: jetscreamer |
| 03:36.00 | chealer | ok |
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| 03:36.11 | EnterD | how would I go about getting the drives for it to be supported? |
| 03:36.22 | EnterD | *drivers that is |
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| 03:36.33 | jetdotnet | EnterD: it might be, i just have no idea |
| 03:36.37 | teemu_ | google it |
| 03:36.58 | EnterD | I have been all night |
| 03:37.00 | teemu_ | if someone is using it at linux, it is supported simply ;p |
| 03:37.18 | teemu_ | what's your os now? |
| 03:37.33 | EnterD | mine? |
| 03:37.36 | teemu_ | yeah |
| 03:37.38 | EnterD | XP |
| 03:37.50 | EnterD | but I just built a small server to keep my files on |
| 03:37.51 | teemu_ | ;(((, well, you said you had used fedora? |
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| 03:38.22 | EnterD | was trying to put linux on the new server i built |
| 03:38.25 | EnterD | :\ |
| 03:38.41 | EnterD | just need my sata drives to work |
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| 03:38.43 | teemu_ | well, have you used linux on that computer where is that nforce? |
| 03:38.46 | teemu_ | :I |
| 03:39.14 | EnterD | i cant even get linux to install on it |
| 03:39.15 | jetdotnet | i 'believe very stongly' that it's supported |
| 03:39.20 | EnterD | because it wont recognize my drives |
| 03:39.30 | jetdotnet | linux... fedora, debian.. all flavors of linux |
| 03:39.40 | EnterD | im not a newbie to linux |
| 03:39.43 | EnterD | i know |
| 03:39.43 | EnterD | :P |
| 03:40.00 | EnterD | but i've never tried sata drives with linux before |
| 03:40.03 | jetdotnet | i hate to say it, but ubuntu probably supports your hw natively |
| 03:40.16 | jetdotnet | sarge probably does |
| 03:40.17 | EnterD | ah but its too bloated |
| 03:40.35 | ethics | <kingsley> i think ill just put this under the bizarre category bios is seeing the drive np ....debian cant see it hehe |
| 03:40.40 | teemu_ | EnterD: download Knoppix, and boot it, it will somehow tell you what drivers you need (I have heard so), or download ubuntu (debian kind) and I have heard that Itis good reconizing computer peaces |
| 03:40.45 | jetdotnet | i know there's support for all that, but in the installer, dunno |
| 03:40.50 | EnterD | yeah thats why i wanted to try sarge...its probably jammed packed with the newest drivers |
| 03:40.54 | kingsley | ethics: Is this the box's first IDE drive? |
| 03:41.08 | jetdotnet | kingsley: of course it's not |
| 03:41.43 | jetdotnet | unless he put / on hdc and nothing on hda |
| 03:41.44 | ethics | <kingsley> it's had many a drive go through it...just these 2 doing weirdness... |
| 03:42.14 | ethics | <kingsley> they were old server 2003 drives so that could be causing it...ntfs 5.6723434 of the closed source random changes |
| 03:42.19 | kingsley | jetdotnet: ethics said the box has a scsi drive. |
| 03:42.43 | jetdotnet | eh ok good point i stand corrected |
| 03:42.46 | kingsley | ethics: If it's not mentioned in /var/log/messages and "dmesg | more", then I suspect it's the box's first IDE drive and when its kernel was installed, the initial ram disk (initrd) wasn't configured with an IDE driver. |
| 03:43.01 | simonrvn | with sata(n) it's recommended to use 2.6, since the support is better |
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| 03:43.16 | ethics | <kingsley> hmm i did change kernels a little back so its possible... |
| 03:43.44 | ethics | <kingsley> im using a apt 2.6 kernel....no recompile just worked hehe |
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| 03:44.13 | kingsley | ethics: If you changed kernels when the box had no IDE drive, initrd wouldn't have an IDE driver and linux wouldn't see the IDE drive. |
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| 03:44.29 | simonrvn | what? |
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| 03:44.49 | chealer | simonrvn: what's the (n) for? |
| 03:45.00 | jetdotnet | satan??? |
| 03:45.03 | ethics | <kingsley> hmm thats plausable...gives me something to look at ...not to worry for now...thx matey |
| 03:45.07 | simonrvn | take a minute to ponder that ;p |
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| 03:45.29 | NewpZ | hi i get this all the time.. how do i fix it? perl: warning: Setting locale failed. Perl: warning: Please check that your locale sett |
| 03:45.35 | jetdotnet | :::TheChurchLady::: |
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| 03:45.40 | ethics | <chealer> theres also 3 types of sata so i could be a version number too |
| 03:45.50 | simonrvn | jetdotnet: hehe |
| 03:45.54 | jetdotnet | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 03:46.23 | chealer | ethics: ok, I'm clueless about sata |
| 03:46.48 | ethics | ahh well now i just need to get samba rolling again hehe i poped them in the other NT system and they cam straight up hehehe...has to be driver/bios |
| 03:46.50 | jetdotnet | i know sata have neato little power plugs |
| 03:46.54 | prov | hi, question, i remember seeing something of a rehash for one of the linux file systems? i'm using reiserfs at the moment, is there a rehash for that? |
| 03:47.11 | NewpZ | i get this... http://www.pastebin.com/276497 |
| 03:47.11 | forrest_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.13 | forrest_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:47.17 | jetdotnet | i think it's more like a mount directive syntax problem, but i know nothing |
| 03:47.20 | simonrvn | dumbass... |
| 03:47.23 | kingsley | ethics: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/10/msg00262.html |
| 03:47.39 | cafuego | Why do they even bother? |
| 03:47.53 | chealer | !tell NewpZ about paste |
| 03:47.54 | simonrvn | dumbasses... |
| 03:48.03 | jetdotnet | i don't think it was intentional myself, not long enough |
| 03:48.08 | ethics | jetdotnet: yeah i thought that too but i tried it on the bitch deb box and it worked.... |
| 03:48.13 | chealer | NewpZ: as you're not pasting PHP |
| 03:48.20 | simonrvn | still a dumbass =) |
| 03:48.20 | NewpZ | chealer: what? |
| 03:48.28 | cafuego | jetdotnet: he accidentally did arrow-up/return 6 times? |
| 03:48.42 | NewpZ | ahhh |
| 03:48.43 | jetdotnet | i didn't say i could explain it! :) |
| 03:48.48 | simonrvn | haha |
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| 03:48.50 | NewpZ | im a php dev.. i love php :) |
| 03:49.24 | chealer | NewpZ: keep it for yourself, this is almost as dangerous as liking KDE here ;) |
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| 03:49.52 | paster | "newpz" at 68.235.7.148 pasted "help" (15 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/59 |
| 03:50.08 | chealer | ugh. jetdotnet, did you switch to the dark side? |
| 03:50.28 | NewpZ | hehe |
| 03:50.30 | jetdotnet | just when doing .net |
| 03:50.43 | chealer | these perl warnings are annoying |
| 03:51.15 | jetdotnet | i've been trying to learn basic sine 1974 :o |
| 03:51.23 | chealer | NewpZ: this is on a pretty fresh sarge install I guess? |
| 03:51.31 | NewpZ | no |
| 03:51.52 | NewpZ | old sarge install, newer update to sid then real new rollback to sarge :) |
| 03:51.56 | ticktoc | cant get fstab to cooperate... rename mount point directories then edit fstab to match but when I reboot, the old directory names have been created again ... (crap..) any help? |
| 03:52.09 | NewpZ | im going back to woody |
| 03:52.32 | jetdotnet | dpkg-reconfigure discover(1?) and say no do not manage my fucking mount points you sick bitch... or something like that |
| 03:52.40 | chealer | NewpZ: ouch...I don't follow you |
| 03:53.12 | ticktoc | btw.... these are vfat directories on a second drive and not related to boot disk.. |
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| 03:53.53 | NewpZ | dpkg-reconfigure discover is the same crap errors |
| 03:54.22 | ethics | <kingsley> ok well im ripping the data accross network atm but i will try the kernel reconfigure trick in a few mins |
| 03:54.30 | jetdotnet | that was for ticktoc , newpz |
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| 03:54.52 | NewpZ | chealer: uhhh some moron(me) was drinking the night kde 3.4 got released and i did a stupid and used apt-get pointing at sid packages to install it :) |
| 03:55.02 | NewpZ | ahh ok |
| 03:55.10 | chealer | NewpZ: weird...KDE 3.4 isn't even in sid |
| 03:55.23 | jetdotnet | yeah i had to put new sources for 3.4 |
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| 03:55.45 | jetdotnet | just take those sources out,and eventually it will upgrade it'self |
| 03:56.03 | jetdotnet | s/it'self/it's self/ |
| 03:56.10 | chealer | so basically it's an old sarge install |
| 03:56.20 | NewpZ | i dont know what i did.. all i can tell is shit was broken and pc kept hard locking.. then it was hell to rollback everything... and now this is whats left |
| 03:56.20 | jetdotnet | gah |
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| 03:56.23 | jetdotnet | !kill me |
| 03:56.32 | ticktoc | sorry jetdotnet... i was out of room... |
| 03:56.54 | jetdotnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.00 | NewpZ | mostly but im sure i missed some sid libs somewhere |
| 03:57.04 | chealer | NewpZ: you have no idea what triggered that problem? |
| 03:57.13 | simonrvn | itself |
| 03:57.17 | jetdotnet | dpkg-reconfigure discover(1?) and say no do not manage my mount points |
| 03:57.21 | ethics | KDE!! |
| 03:57.33 | nipplesrulz | hmm |
| 03:57.40 | Wyzard | jetdotnet: Just FYI, did you know you can use "/say" to write a message that begins with a '/' character? |
| 03:57.43 | nipplesrulz | is there a linux mirc that works? |
| 03:57.50 | nipplesrulz | it seems to lag like a bitch in rose |
| 03:57.57 | simonrvn | linux doesn't have mirc |
| 03:58.03 | Guerin | never use mirc |
| 03:58.06 | nipplesrulz | yeah.. |
| 03:58.11 | ethics | we have bitch |
| 03:58.18 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: mIRC is a Windows IRC client... if you mean some other IRC client, sure, there are lots |
| 03:58.20 | jetdotnet | Wyzard: no i did not but /say is 4 chars and is one |
| 03:58.21 | nipplesrulz | well i actually know some scripting in mirc and a buddy needs some help |
| 03:58.23 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: I use XChat |
| 03:58.23 | chealer | /guru Wyzard |
| 03:58.27 | NewpZ | uhhh i trigged it rolling it back and agreeing to something with glibc i think |
| 03:58.30 | nipplesrulz | yeah using xchat here too |
| 03:58.31 | ticktoc | jetdotnet... That's IT... really ... that simple... gessh... what a noob i am.. |
| 03:58.33 | Guerin | if you want a shit exploitable irc client, use bitchx |
| 03:58.38 | simonrvn | /fartfish |
| 03:58.39 | jetdotnet | or 5 if you count the |
| 03:58.45 | Guerin | if you want a good one, use irssi |
| 03:58.45 | nipplesrulz | which has shit documentation and hard ass stylins |
| 03:58.54 | nipplesrulz | i have all these yall have mentioned |
| 03:58.54 | jetdotnet | xchat is cool too |
| 03:58.56 | Wyzard | jetdotnet: Some clients let you type a double-slash as a convenience shorthand |
| 03:58.57 | nipplesrulz | lets see here |
| 03:59.04 | jetdotnet | /test |
| 03:59.12 | jetdotnet | cool |
| 03:59.21 | simonrvn | / / <-that is irssi's shortcut for / |
| 03:59.26 | nipplesrulz | xchat does not tile windows and uses those darn dots with color and im too lazy to make png's to make tha tbit different |
| 03:59.30 | jetdotnet | works in xchat too |
| 03:59.31 | chealer | jetdotnet: what's your client? |
| 03:59.33 | Wyzard | simonrvn: xchat too |
| 03:59.39 | jetdotnet | xchat |
| 03:59.40 | nipplesrulz | there seems to be crap documentation for making scripts |
| 03:59.41 | simonrvn | no.. |
| 03:59.52 | nipplesrulz | things that are easy in mirc are beyond difficult in xchat |
| 03:59.56 | Guerin | nipplesrulz: use irssi, then you can script in perl |
| 03:59.58 | simonrvn | i have to use /say / |
| 04:00.03 | jetdotnet | lol |
| 04:00.08 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: XChat is scriptable in Perl, Python, and TCL... if you want to script it, learn one of those languages |
| 04:00.12 | Guerin | except that irssi already has hundreds upon hundreds of scripts written for it |
| 04:00.15 | jetdotnet | mirc is your god |
| 04:00.16 | nipplesrulz | yeah |
| 04:00.19 | nipplesrulz | so your telling me |
| 04:00.24 | jetdotnet | xchat has a few too |
| 04:00.31 | nipplesrulz | i need to go to school to program to make a friggin wb |
| 04:00.34 | Phated | simonrvn: Don't make us !doesn't work you. :) |
| 04:00.42 | nipplesrulz | its almost enough to install windows |
| 04:00.52 | nipplesrulz | all the dam scripts that i can find dont work for crap lol |
| 04:00.56 | nipplesrulz | sorry to just bitch here |
| 04:01.01 | simonrvn | i'll figure it out for myself, thank-you-very-much ;) |
| 04:01.04 | nipplesrulz | but all i want to do is make mirc work with rose |
| 04:01.12 | Guerin | troll troll troll your box, gently down the tcp/ip ... |
| 04:01.17 | nipplesrulz | so if anyone knows how to do that i would appreciate it |
| 04:01.27 | Phated | Gently down the channel, I'd say. |
| 04:01.30 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: Why is scripting such a high priority? IRC is for talking, not running servers. |
| 04:01.31 | Guerin | nipplesrulz: ask in #pwn-me-now-LOL |
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| 04:01.34 | chealer | NewpZ: ok, you can always try to purge locales and reinstall it, but I've never helped anyone resolve this issue, including myself |
| 04:01.58 | nipplesrulz | guerin its not my first time in irc dumbarse |
| 04:02.01 | NewpZ | yeah its a first in my book :) |
| 04:02.07 | nipplesrulz | and wyzard who says i dont serve with it |
| 04:02.09 | Guerin | nipplesrulz: could have fooled me |
| 04:02.10 | nipplesrulz | who says i do? |
| 04:02.13 | nipplesrulz | well |
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| 04:02.18 | nipplesrulz | let me ask you gurein |
| 04:02.23 | nipplesrulz | how long you been online |
| 04:02.32 | Guerin | who is this gurein person to whom you speak? |
| 04:02.39 | simonrvn | what's that have to do with anything? |
| 04:02.40 | nipplesrulz | Guerin, you |
| 04:02.42 | nipplesrulz | . . . . . |
| 04:02.46 | nipplesrulz | well frankly |
| 04:02.54 | nipplesrulz | ive been online since the begining of the fucking internet |
| 04:02.54 | Phated | Jeez, stop abusing your enter key. |
| 04:03.10 | Guerin | nipplesrulz: doesn't seem to have helped you much |
| 04:03.12 | Phated | And you -still- haven't learnt to type. |
| 04:03.14 | ethics | Guerin it the microsoft word spellchecked version of you....we ported you to clippy because the interface was similar |
| 04:03.15 | nipplesrulz | now if yuo can just answer an easy question instead of poking a little fun that would be quite nice |
| 04:03.18 | nipplesrulz | oh |
| 04:03.19 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: Why the sudden holier-than-thou? |
| 04:03.19 | nipplesrulz | i know |
| 04:03.21 | simonrvn | nipplesrulz: yeh, right. tell that to an idiot, maybe he'll believe you |
| 04:03.21 | nipplesrulz | how to type |
| 04:03.23 | nipplesrulz | well |
| 04:03.31 | simonrvn | fucking dumbass |
| 04:03.33 | nipplesrulz | i tend to get a bit uppity when ppl call me an idiot |
| 04:03.41 | nipplesrulz | and then refuse to show me how they are better,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
| 04:03.46 | Guerin | even when you are |
| 04:03.48 | Phated | Maybe if you didn't act like one. |
| 04:03.54 | nipplesrulz | sure sure |
| 04:03.56 | nipplesrulz | whatever you say |
| 04:04.06 | nipplesrulz | ill take that to mean that none of yall can actually do what i want |
| 04:04.12 | Guerin | no |
| 04:04.20 | ticktoc | dpkg-reconfigure discover says discover isn't installed but which discover says it's in /sbin/ (gessshh) |
| 04:04.24 | Guerin | we don't use mirc |
| 04:04.24 | ethics | nipplesrulz: sorry mate what ya need? i didnt see a question |
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| 04:04.49 | scarynetworkguy | nipplesrulz: WTF makes you think a roomfull of Debian users would know anything about a borken winders IRC client? |
| 04:05.00 | simonrvn | or care |
| 04:05.01 | Guerin | this is not a proprietary crapware channel |
| 04:05.11 | dondelelcaro | nipplesrulz: mIRC is closed source, there isn't a linux version, nor is it distributed in Debian at all. |
| 04:05.13 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: XChat is scriptable in three full-fledged general-purpose programming languages, which have been used to write *real*, significant server apps |
| 04:05.16 | bucky | he wants to make xchat borken in the same way mirc is |
| 04:05.18 | ben_h | guiltware at that |
| 04:05.28 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: If you want to serve stuff from your IRC client, it's certainly capable |
| 04:05.31 | dondelelcaro | nipplesrulz: you've been told the alternatives, namely xchat, and irssi-text. There's nothing else we can do for you. |
| 04:05.39 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: And that's a lot more than mIRC's scripting language can say |
| 04:05.44 | ticktoc | nevermind... it is.. (discover1) |
| 04:05.47 | Guerin | except reiterate that you should go and fuck yourself |
| 04:05.50 | nipplesrulz | yes |
| 04:05.51 | nipplesrulz | thats nice |
| 04:05.53 | Guerin | yes |
| 04:05.55 | nipplesrulz | so then |
| 04:05.57 | nipplesrulz | lets review |
| 04:06.01 | nipplesrulz | i dont know any of those |
| 04:06.02 | nipplesrulz | and |
| 04:06.06 | nipplesrulz | im helping a buddy using mirc |
| 04:06.07 | dondelelcaro | nipplesrulz: please stop overusing the enter key, or you will be devoiced. |
| 04:06.07 | nipplesrulz | so |
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| 04:06.16 | Guerin | it sucks to be you |
| 04:06.16 | furrywolf | so why don't you go ask in a mirc channel? |
| 04:06.17 | ben_h | your enter key is set on rapid fire. turn it off |
| 04:06.17 | nipplesrulz | it could spit gold and still not be helpfull |
| 04:06.18 | furrywolf | geez |
| 04:06.21 | nipplesrulz | because |
| 04:06.27 | nipplesrulz | furrywolf, this is a debian channel |
| 04:06.32 | nipplesrulz | and im not asking how to script mirc |
| 04:06.34 | Phated | Which mirc isn't used in. |
| 04:06.39 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: If you want to script XChat, LEARN one of the programming languages it supports. If you want to script mIRC, ask people who actually use mIRC, not #debian |
| 04:06.42 | nipplesrulz | im asking how to run the motherfucker in debian |
| 04:06.49 | Phated | Wine? |
| 04:06.50 | Guerin | !htfswk |
| 04:06.50 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 04:06.52 | ben_h | in that case, try #wine |
| 04:06.54 | nipplesrulz | nor am i asking how to script xchat |
| 04:06.58 | dondelelcaro | nipplesrulz: if it won't run under wine, which it probably won't, then you're SOL. |
| 04:07.03 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: mIRC is a WINDOWS APPLICATION |
| 04:07.04 | nipplesrulz | hahaha |
| 04:07.04 | jetdotnet | i hate digging graves |
| 04:07.05 | Guerin | it does run under wine |
| 04:07.07 | nipplesrulz | so |
| 04:07.10 | Guerin | but the scripts break badly |
| 04:07.11 | nipplesrulz | there |
| 04:07.14 | nipplesrulz | ok |
| 04:07.20 | nipplesrulz | i cant get it to unlock up |
| 04:07.26 | nipplesrulz | it signs on a server and stops |
| 04:07.33 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: While we're at it, let's ask about running Mac OS X Tiger on my HP48 calculator... |
| 04:07.34 | Guerin | !enter |
| 04:07.34 | ticktoc | ok... dpkg-reconfigure discove1 worked.... so now i need to test it out... thanks for the help... |
| 04:07.35 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 04:07.45 | nipplesrulz | there is a difference wyzard |
| 04:07.47 | dondelelcaro | nipplesrulz: please stop overusing enter. I won't be warning you again. |
| 04:07.54 | nipplesrulz | and mac osx can run on debian |
| 04:08.00 | nipplesrulz | on a intel chip at that |
| 04:08.09 | furrywolf | chealer: hopefully the something you put under his enter key has about 10kV between it and ground.... |
| 04:08.28 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: No, OSX cannot run on Debian. PearPC can run on Debian, and that provides a virtual PowerPC for OSX to run on, but that's emulation, which is another story entirely. |
| 04:08.32 | ben_h | mac os x can run on debian? sure, and new york is the capital of paris |
| 04:08.34 | Guerin | furrywolf: mmm, electroshock-over-tcp/ip |
| 04:08.35 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: But yes, I was exaggerating. |
| 04:08.40 | nipplesrulz | you know it would be quite nice if someone would just answer the fucking question dondelelcaro lol... its not like i ask this shit all the time,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
| 04:08.52 | nipplesrulz | and yes wyzard osx can be done ive seen it |
| 04:08.56 | dondelelcaro | nipplesrulz: uh, people have been answering your questions when you've actually asked them. |
| 04:08.59 | Guerin | !different answer |
| 04:08.59 | dpkg | You only get one answer per question. You've had yours. If you want a different answer, ask a different question. Thank you for your cooperation, HAND. |
| 04:09.01 | nipplesrulz | well |
| 04:09.07 | nipplesrulz | lets try one more time then............................... |
| 04:09.13 | chealer | furrywolf: hey, I just made 1 electricity class. Am I supposed to be at the murderer level yet? |
| 04:09.18 | nipplesrulz | how do i run mirc with rose as it keeps locking up? |
| 04:09.19 | sudo|chmod | what packages do I need to install in debian so that i can use the -lsocket option in my g++ compiler |
| 04:09.24 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: The only chance you have of running mIRC on Linux is using Wine. Guerin told you that several minutes ago, so don't complain that nobody's answering your question. |
| 04:09.32 | nipplesrulz | hahahahahahahah |
| 04:09.35 | furrywolf | chealer: murder is easy. they were doing that back when electricity was first being ran to homes... :P |
| 04:09.39 | nipplesrulz | did you just look at what i asked sir? |
| 04:09.41 | shingouz | chealer: you need bofh423 for that ;) |
| 04:09.54 | dondelelcaro | nipplesrulz: you fix mirc or wine so it doesn't lock. Since we don't have the sourcecode for mIRC, there's nothing we can to do help you at all. |
| 04:09.55 | Guerin | !htfswk nipplesrulz |
| 04:09.56 | nipplesrulz | can you really read and understand the words that are coming out of my terminal? |
| 04:09.56 | dpkg | nipplesrulz: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 04:10.03 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: Yes, but the only program I know of called "Rose" is Rational Rose, which I doubt is what you mean. |
| 04:10.08 | Oshrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.17 | nipplesrulz | um |
| 04:10.28 | ben_h | sudo|Channel: it'll probably be libsocket that you need, try searching for that at packages.debian.org |
| 04:10.32 | nipplesrulz | arg yes |
| 04:10.37 | nipplesrulz | with all this shit i did mean wine |
| 04:10.39 | nipplesrulz | but anyway |
| 04:10.41 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:10.52 | sudo|chmod | beh_h: ok |
| 04:10.55 | furrywolf | is there anyone here with a nice little @-shaped hat to club him over the head with? |
| 04:10.57 | nipplesrulz | would one of the ppl that actually has had ANY mirc script work on it please help? |
| 04:10.59 | Guerin | nipplesrulz: /part #debian ; /join #winehq |
| 04:11.04 | nipplesrulz | sure go ahead |
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| 04:11.09 | Oshrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.13 | nipplesrulz | lol im not parting but sure ill join |
| 04:11.15 | dondelelcaro | nipplesrulz: none of us actually use mIRC, which is what we've told you. |
| 04:11.30 | dondelelcaro | moreover, that's completely OT for #debian. EOT. |
| 04:11.35 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: Wine is a rather complex program, and since it's trying to imitate all the undocumented quirks of Win32, it's very likely to have bugs that would cause problems like yours |
| 04:11.42 | furrywolf | dammit, brb, phone |
| 04:12.02 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: You'd need to ask people who actually use Wine on a regular basis in complex situations, which some people here *might* do, but most probably don't |
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| 04:12.08 | Oshrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.16 | nipplesrulz | as i had said quite a while back |
| 04:12.17 | dondelelcaro | Oshrin: uh, can you stop doing that? |
| 04:12.21 | nipplesrulz | which in all essense |
| 04:12.29 | sudo|chmod | nothing comes up for libsocket that looks pertanent ... doing an apt-get update |
| 04:12.33 | ben_h | is that the start of a haiku? |
| 04:12.38 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:12.41 | nipplesrulz | keeps this chan and most of the ppl in it on the useless and asshole configuration platter kthx |
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| 04:12.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:12.49 | chealer | shingouz: sorry, my knowledge of bofh is limited to the developed form. bofh423 means nothing more to me |
| 04:12.52 | Guerin | pwn3d |
| 04:12.54 | Wyzard | lol |
| 04:13.00 | Phated | Moron. |
| 04:13.05 | ben_h | my, you are an experienced internet user aren't you |
| 04:13.06 | Phated | Ehm. Not dondelelcaro. |
| 04:13.08 | Oshrin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:13.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:13.21 | dondelelcaro | Oshrin: let me know when you're capable of doing something besides saying 'hop!' |
| 04:13.47 | shingouz | chealer: /msg dpkg bofh ;) |
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| 04:14.23 | Guerin | 13:10:43 < Oshrin> hop! 13:11:42 < Oshrin> hop! 13:12:42 < Oshrin> hop! # script, or someone with very good timing |
| 04:14.36 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, that's what I was thinking... |
| 04:15.08 | chealer | shingouz: ok, but I didn't find 423 specifically |
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| 04:16.10 | Guerin | yay, half day today |
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| 04:16.22 | EnterD | sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 04:16.27 | EnterD | is that the netinstall for sarge? |
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| 04:16.48 | shingouz | chealer: class bofh101 teaches you to rm -fr user accounts and generally pester users. bofh423 probably is up to dealing with more complex situations like rm -rf the lusers along with their user accounts ;) |
| 04:16.55 | chealer | EnterD: yes |
| 04:16.58 | ben_h | EnterD: i would say so |
| 04:16.59 | Guerin | going to get a TV card, go home, set up tvout into my tv, put the cases back on my computers and start bunny-proofing all the ethernet cable |
| 04:17.02 | benley | sabi: whee |
| 04:17.07 | EnterD | heh |
| 04:17.08 | EnterD | :| |
| 04:17.10 | EnterD | thanks |
| 04:17.19 | sabi | benley: indeed. /me is trying to figure out how to ask this question |
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| 04:17.38 | benley | I usually start with an error message and a WTF :) |
| 04:17.51 | ben_h | EnterD: at least you didn't ask 'sarge-i386-netinst.iso: is that the sarge i386 netinstall?' |
| 04:17.54 | ben_h | ;) |
| 04:18.25 | Cyis | I thought it was the amd64 sid net install :) |
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| 04:18.38 | Guerin | i thought it was something to do with suse |
| 04:19.09 | chealer | i'm always the only one to think about pr0n |
| 04:19.19 | ben_h | no no, i thought of that |
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| 04:19.25 | ben_h | just couldn't think of a funny way to say it |
| 04:19.35 | furrywolf | hrmm. not sure I like dpkg's bofh-script. just deleting their accounts is one thing... but the goal is to demoralize and humiliate the users too. a far better script would pipe all their emails through grep (for words like "romp in the boardroom", etc) and automatically mail them out to all other users. |
| 04:20.02 | chealer | ben_h: I knew I wouldn't be alone :) |
| 04:20.08 | ben_h | :) |
| 04:20.18 | buu | We killed dpkg! |
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| 04:20.36 | benley | dpkg: baka |
| 04:20.36 | dpkg | baka is probably Japanese for "idiot". Slang often used by Otakus (see Otaku). |
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| 04:22.32 | Moonscope | so... im trying to update my kernal to 2.6 from 2.2.0 and im using a howto and i have gotten to the stage of make-kpkg clean and it says i dont have that, is this step really necessary? |
| 04:22.40 | furrywolf | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4793&item=5576061629&rd=1 <== dammit. I hate not having money. $39.95 is a good price... |
| 04:22.45 | sabi | don't have what? |
| 04:22.55 | sabi | make-kpkg? |
| 04:22.57 | Moonscope | bash: make-kpkg: command not found |
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| 04:23.29 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | Debian 3.0r5 released | DPL election: Overfiend made it |
| 04:23.32 | Moonscope | sabi: i did do that, maybe it missed it. |
| 04:23.32 | furrywolf | cyis: not work safe. :) |
| 04:23.32 | mwilson | I really doubt you're updating from a 2.2 kernel to a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 04:23.38 | Cyis | furrywolf: I'm in class :) |
| 04:23.43 | jetdotnet | 2.2.20-idepci why not |
| 04:23.44 | sabi | Moonscope: uhh, perhaps /usr/bin is not in your path? :) it just installs there |
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| 04:24.05 | Cyis | if it ain't work safe ... ain't safe for here... but now you've peek'd my curiosity |
| 04:24.16 | simonrvn | piqued |
| 04:24.27 | mwilson | jetdotnet: Because that would mean at best he was running Woody, and Woody doesn't support a 2.6 kernel. |
| 04:24.30 | jetdotnet | !simonrvn++ |
| 04:24.55 | Cyis | simonrvn: I'm not an english major :) |
| 04:25.00 | jetdotnet | ah... well you're right, i would have assumed a sarge upgrade just previously |
| 04:25.16 | simonrvn | neither am i |
| 04:25.18 | OmegaNine | Whats the bigest reason to wtich from 2.4.27 to 2.6.x? I just got 2.4.x running, and cant really think of a good reason to upgrade. I dont run a 64bit CPU or anything.. |
| 04:25.24 | jetdotnet | install woody, up to sarge, up the kernel.. been there |
| 04:25.33 | simonrvn | i just know how to use my second language |
| 04:25.35 | jetdotnet | well it was said not sarge.. pre-di |
| 04:25.38 | jetdotnet | sid |
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| 04:26.00 | badshit | Hi, Where can i get help on resetting password my cisco 2912 switch? I tried looking on cisco site but i couldn't find it if anyone know the excatly link I will be greatly appreicated.. thanks!! |
| 04:26.22 | mwilson | goodshit: Trying to crack someone's switch, huh? |
| 04:26.32 | OmegaNine | He He |
| 04:26.56 | ben_h | furrywolf: us non-US people can't see the nughty part os eBay apparently :) |
| 04:26.57 | mwilson | Oh, great... vim's maintainer goes insane again. |
| 04:27.00 | ben_h | naughty* |
| 04:27.06 | adjacent | goodshit: #cisco ! |
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| 04:27.13 | furrywolf | ben_h: dunno. loads here. :) |
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| 04:27.34 | mwilson | Something else I have to make sure I disable in my personal vimrc |
| 04:27.39 | Moonscope | there's a naughty part of ebay? |
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| 04:27.43 | ben_h | furrywolf: i'm in australia and i get a page saying that content is not allowed outside of the US |
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| 04:28.03 | Moonscope | go ben_h: im from aussie too. |
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| 04:28.11 | ben_h | ;) |
| 04:28.21 | furrywolf | ben_h: hrmm. well, to avoid TMIing the channel, I'll just give the name... Ultra Harness 2000 Female. :P |
| 04:28.24 | teemu_ | damn lucky bastards |
| 04:28.38 | teemu_ | you live in warm country, I live in cold finland :< |
| 04:28.52 | ben_h | i see |
| 04:28.56 | Moonscope | lol, Australia is mostly warm. |
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| 04:29.18 | ben_h | heh, not today it isn't |
| 04:29.20 | sabi | it does have mountains and stuff :) |
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| 04:29.24 | ben_h | rainy and cold today |
| 04:29.25 | furrywolf | moonscope: there's presently 73370 items in the naughty part of ebay. |
| 04:29.27 | mwilson | You'd think tretowski had actually READ what backupcopy does... |
| 04:29.38 | ben_h | course, 'cold' is relative |
| 04:29.39 | Moonscope | hmm, is there an open proxy in the US? |
| 04:29.39 | ben_h | :) |
| 04:29.46 | Moonscope | try using that ben_h |
| 04:30.04 | cafuego | Moonscope: Liar. |
| 04:30.10 | ben_h | i'm sure there's plenty of ultra harnesses in other parts of the net |
| 04:30.15 | furrywolf | moonscope: you'd need to create a new ebay account and list yourself as being in the US, I believe. |
| 04:30.32 | cafuego | Moonscope: the desert is mostly cold at night, so australia is mostly cold. |
| 04:30.32 | Moonscope | oh i see, you need to be logged in to access that part hey? |
| 04:30.50 | Moonscope | when you talk about Australia you talk about where ppl live, not where ppl dont live |
| 04:30.59 | ben_h | i.e. on the edges |
| 04:31.05 | cafuego | Moonscope: You implying nobody lives in kookynie? |
| 04:31.08 | sabi | haha |
| 04:31.15 | Moonscope | ppl live in kookynie? |
| 04:31.19 | Moonscope | wtfit |
| 04:31.22 | cafuego | Moonscope: yep, at least 8. |
| 04:31.25 | ben_h | yes but they're just rounding error |
| 04:31.27 | Xerex | hi guys, my bootloader is grub, however, its not graphic based (menu based), any ideas how I can get that pretty interface ? |
| 04:31.28 | Moonscope | hehehe |
| 04:31.47 | furrywolf | xerex: I think you're confusing bootloader with display manager? |
| 04:31.50 | ben_h | Xerex: google for grub bootspash |
| 04:31.54 | ben_h | splash* |
| 04:32.04 | teemu_ | Xerex: why you wanna make that pretty? ;I, do you boot your computer all the time? |
| 04:32.21 | sabi | all the gui anyone needs is "LI" |
| 04:32.22 | Xerex | hehe |
| 04:32.31 | Xerex | furrywolf: no I meant bootloader |
| 04:32.35 | ben_h | yeah i don't see the point, especially when you boot linux and the kernel talks in text for the next little bit anyway :) |
| 04:32.41 | furrywolf | sabi: gah! LI! LI! you have no idea how many boxes I've had boot to LI and stop... :P |
| 04:32.51 | Xerex | usually there is a like a nice splash screen, but I dont have it |
| 04:32.56 | Phated | Once he's done, he will obviously ask how to get a kernel bootsplash. |
| 04:32.57 | cafuego | ben_h: it doesn't if you pass 'quiet' |
| 04:33.00 | sabi | furrywolf: haha yeah :) |
| 04:33.05 | mwilson | "Breezy"? |
| 04:33.08 | mwilson | Please. |
| 04:33.19 | ben_h | cafuego: really? heh, never heard of that option. |
| 04:33.23 | ben_h | i'll give it a go sometime |
| 04:33.23 | cafuego | Breezy Badger |
| 04:33.26 | Phated | It probably could be worse. |
| 04:33.34 | simonrvn | /etc/default/rc.S IIRC |
| 04:33.36 | Phated | Randy Raccoon. |
| 04:33.39 | simonrvn | or rcS |
| 04:33.39 | cafuego | ben_h: it's nicely unverbose ;-) |
| 04:33.59 | ben_h | cafuego: does it say anything then, or is it a silent boot? |
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| 04:34.08 | simonrvn | # Set VERBOSE to "no" if you would like a more quiet bootup. |
| 04:34.09 | simonrvn | VERBOSE=yes |
| 04:34.09 | Xerex | ben_d: you think its something to be on google ? |
| 04:34.32 | ben_h | Xerex: absolutely |
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| 04:34.40 | mwilson | Oh, yes, but Ubuntu wants themselves to be taken seriously. <snort> |
| 04:34.46 | cafuego | ben_h: Silent up until where userspace processes start printing stuff. |
| 04:34.49 | ben_h | Xerex: can you think of something that isn't? ;) |
| 04:34.57 | gs` | how do I locate my SiS bus identifier ? |
| 04:35.12 | ben_h | gs: lspci -vv |
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| 04:35.34 | Xerex | ban_h: ok lets say we have the splash pic, as a .bmp for example, how would I put it as a splash for the boat loader would be a better Q |
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| 04:35.55 | simonrvn | you need a dock for that boat loader |
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| 04:36.07 | ben_h | Xerex: i don't know, and there are HOWTOs on the subject. that's why I referred you to google |
| 04:36.19 | Phated | Isn't it, probably, -somewhere- in man grub? |
| 04:36.22 | cafuego | Xerex: grub comes with samples and full documentation. |
| 04:36.25 | ben_h | xerex: it's a pain, and not very useful. my advice is don't bother |
| 04:36.30 | cafuego | Xerex: /usr/share/doc/grub |
| 04:36.36 | mwilson | Yep, sure enough, Tretowski doesn't know what that option does. Surprising. |
| 04:36.36 | simonrvn | !be a man page barbie |
| 04:36.37 | dpkg | Aww, man page is hard! Let's go shopping, simonrvn |
| 04:36.54 | Xerex | cafuego: I will check that out. |
| 04:37.20 | Xerex | ben_d: ya its not worth the time, but I thought it would be something simple to do |
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| 04:38.39 | teemu_ | fucksake, I noticed that I had configured wrong file allnight |
| 04:38.58 | sudo|chmod | does anyone know the specific library I need to install to be able to use the flag -lsocket with g++ |
| 04:39.11 | furrywolf | sudo: someone already answered you |
| 04:39.13 | teemu_ | fuckfuckfuck...... there were /etc/network/interface I was editing allnight that, not interfaces |
| 04:39.27 | teemu_ | after editing interfaces, everything worked :< |
| 04:39.34 | sudo|chmod | furrywolf: I've looked and I don't see the package that was mentioned earlier |
| 04:39.41 | cafuego | !pal teemu_ |
| 04:40.23 | furrywolf | sudo: and are you sure it's needed on linux? that sounds solaris-ish |
| 04:40.30 | furrywolf | what function are you trying to use? |
| 04:40.41 | sudo|chmod | furrywolf: yeah maybe you are right |
| 04:40.47 | bob2 | sudo|chmod: er, this is a real OS, you don't need libsocket |
| 04:40.48 | cafuego | sudo|chmod: Just remove -lsocket from the Makefile and recompile. |
| 04:40.50 | bob2 | it's in libc |
| 04:41.02 | sudo|chmod | furrywolf: I transported the code from a solaris machine |
| 04:41.06 | ethics | xerex: just to clarify you want a picture during the services coming up area or on your login screen? |
| 04:41.09 | sudo|chmod | furrywolf: sorry |
| 04:41.42 | furrywolf | sudo: heh. I hate dealing with solaris boxes too. :P |
| 04:42.12 | ethics | <furrywolf> sudo:> : i have 1 solaris box and i hate it with a passion.... |
| 04:42.23 | Xerex | ethics: well, the boot screen right after you start the puter. It should have a pic of Debian and allow you to choose which OS to boot from |
| 04:42.29 | NewpZ | ivve been pulling my hair out now for a couples heh.. can someone please try to help me? http://www.pastebin.com/276497 |
| 04:42.41 | furrywolf | I had to work on some seriously broken ones... an OS update half-done... where the order you #include'ed the .h files in changed what versions you got. so #include <foo.h> #include <bar.h> would get DIFFERENT files than #include <bar.h> #include <foo.h>. |
| 04:43.23 | caphuso | NewpZ: does "dpkg --configure -a" help? |
| 04:43.41 | zahod | Xerex, http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/ |
| 04:44.25 | furrywolf | it took me probably 24 hours of fucking with header files to get icewm to compile on those solaris boxes... |
| 04:44.28 | NewpZ | not really... im getting this now http://www.pastebin.com/276505 |
| 04:44.28 | OmegaNine | Holy crap, ok im like realy impressed. I installed sarge, and opened a avi (divx or xvid) in the defualt player, and ill be damned, it started playing. |
| 04:44.31 | Xerex | zahod: thats very useful, thanks |
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| 04:44.41 | sudo|chmod | thanks furrywolf, bob2, cafuego |
| 04:44.58 | furrywolf | sudo: glad to help |
| 04:45.18 | caphuso | NewpZ: those messages are harmless. does "dpkg-reconfigure -f dialog locales" work now? |
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| 04:45.34 | zahod | useful? I doubt it :) but it looks nice |
| 04:46.02 | dli | how to make apt-file or apt-cache search returns only installed? --installed doesn't help much |
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| 04:46.26 | caphuso | dli: you can't. use the grep-dctrl tools |
| 04:47.03 | NewpZ | caphuso: nope same |
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| 04:47.20 | caphuso | NewpZ: ok, try "apt-get --reinstall install locales" |
| 04:48.04 | gs` | anyone use SiS onboard video ? |
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| 04:48.22 | myren | how do i pause a process? |
| 04:48.41 | furrywolf | myren: ctrl-z from the shell works for many |
| 04:48.43 | NewpZ | locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 04:48.49 | myren | opera saps cpu, i'd rather have some way to tell linux to give it zero resources than have to close it |
| 04:48.52 | scarynetworkguy | !tell gs` about anyone |
| 04:49.03 | furrywolf | myren: don't think you can do that. |
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| 04:49.25 | ben_h | myren: you could just give it a low priority, then it won't interfere with the operation of other processes anyway |
| 04:49.29 | caphuso | NewpZ: are you trying to mix woody and sarge? |
| 04:49.50 | furrywolf | I haven't seen opera using lots of cpu... usually only firefox does crap like that. |
| 04:50.03 | NewpZ | uhhhhh nope |
| 04:50.08 | furrywolf | try turning off javascript, plugins, and GIF animation. |
| 04:50.10 | ben_h | yeah firefox is pretty good at that :) |
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| 04:51.14 | furrywolf | is there any way to turn off gif animation in firefox? |
| 04:51.29 | caphuso | NewpZ: show me your sources.list |
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| 04:51.32 | bob2 | yes, in about:config |
| 04:51.47 | cafuego | buy Nigel's book! |
| 04:51.51 | dli | caphuso, those grep-dctrl tools are for developpers? it returns too much info |
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| 04:52.17 | caphuso | dli: you can tell them exactly what information you want |
| 04:52.41 | mtnman | what is the grub equivalent of lilo's "append="apm=on""? |
| 04:52.48 | goodshit | Hi, anyone know the command in cisco to set password to secret. using the MD5 format? anyone know how?? |
| 04:52.53 | dli | caphuso, then, there are long cmdlines :( unpleasant |
| 04:53.04 | NewpZ | http://www.pastebin.com/276507 |
| 04:53.07 | bob2 | goodshit: #cisco |
| 04:53.26 | furrywolf | bob2: found what looks like it... image.animation_mode... set it to false. creashed firefox. :P |
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| 04:53.32 | cafuego | mtnman: apm=on |
| 04:53.45 | mtnman | cafuego: okay, what file? |
| 04:54.01 | cafuego | mtnman: menu.lst of course, just append it to the kernel line. |
| 04:54.14 | LinuxNIT | hey guys i was wondering how i would go about installing debian wiht only the programs i want. I dont want to have 5 of everything like you get when doing the netinstall. I guess i want to install just the OS |
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| 04:54.24 | mtnman | cafuego: pardon me, but i have only recently switched to grub. |
| 04:54.37 | mtnman | cafuego: and thanks. |
| 04:54.39 | dondelelcaro | LinuxNIT: you always install exactly what you want to install when you install Debian. |
| 04:54.41 | cafuego | n |
| 04:54.44 | bob2 | LinuxNIT: no, sorry, netinstall has nothing to do with installing "5 of everything" |
| 04:54.50 | furrywolf | linuxnit: don't select any of the "tasks", then just start installing exactly what you need when the install finishes. |
| 04:54.58 | bob2 | LinuxNIT: perhaps you didn't read the manual and used tasksel which installed stuff you didn't want? |
| 04:54.58 | dli | LinuxNIT, I remember FAI gives you a minimum system |
| 04:54.59 | caphuso | NewpZ: and the reinstall command line gives you an "depends on libc6 but it not going to be installed" error? |
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| 04:55.12 | cafuego | mtnman: no prob. Note you can ALSO always hit 'e' when your kernel is selected at bootup and edit the boot command there. (not saved though) |
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| 04:55.30 | NewpZ | yeah...locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 04:55.31 | LinuxNIT | dli, whats FAI |
| 04:55.37 | cafuego | !fai |
| 04:55.37 | dpkg | somebody said fai was Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/, or at #fai |
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| 04:55.45 | NewpZ | but i think i have dsl-21 installed too |
| 04:55.45 | kooldeb | hmm a little issue here: I have an ntfs partition mounted under /mnt/windows, as read only. I can access it fine with a console as root, however, when accessing it as a regular user through a file browser, I get permission denied (which makes sense) now the Q is, how can I surf that folder under root other than using the console ??? |
| 04:55.46 | Doubletwist | Am I missing something stupidly obvious, or is there no saslauthd in sarge? |
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| 04:55.58 | NewpZ | i think something is just out of sync |
| 04:56.00 | cafuego | Doubletwist: You're missing something stupidly obvious. |
| 04:56.06 | bob2 | kooldeb: when you mount it, pass mount the option umask=002 |
| 04:56.11 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 04:56.14 | Doubletwist | cafuego: That's what I thought :) |
| 04:56.35 | furrywolf | bob2: and, setting it to false, didn't stop them. maybe I ought to RTFM? :) |
| 04:56.38 | kooldeb | bob2: I have an entry for it under fstab, can that be added there ? |
| 04:56.39 | cafuego | Doubletwist: sasl2-bin: /usr/sbin/saslauthd |
| 04:56.39 | caphuso | NewpZ: yeah, looks like your mirrors are broken |
| 04:56.52 | Doubletwist | Ah... |
| 04:57.05 | Doubletwist | Ok, it just didn't install an /etc/default/saslauthd file... |
| 04:57.06 | bob2 | kooldeb: yes, in the options column |
| 04:57.36 | kooldeb | bob2: I have defaults under it, so replace that by umask=022 ? |
| 04:57.41 | Doubletwist | cafuego, Thank you for more accurately pointing out my stupidity. :) |
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| 04:57.52 | goodshit | anyone know where i can get a list of command and example on configurating a cisco 2912 switch? anyone know any link. I tried cisco i couldn't find it if anyone know of a link i will be greatly apprelicate it.. |
| 04:58.03 | bob2 | kooldeb: yes |
| 04:58.09 | bob2 | goodshit: come on dude |
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| 04:58.14 | bob2 | goodshit: you won't be warned again |
| 04:58.16 | kooldeb | bob2: cool, let me try it :P |
| 04:58.36 | Doubletwist | I swear, sasl has been nothing but trouble for me for years. It's great once it's working though. |
| 04:58.37 | kooldeb | bob2: its 022 or 002 ? |
| 04:59.06 | ethics | goodshit: google has it......look up cisco IOS commandset |
| 04:59.22 | dondelelcaro | goodshit: alternatively, ask in #cisco |
| 05:00.46 | OmegaNine | Wow, mplayer is going threw legal battles over its software? What the hell? |
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| 05:01.11 | dondelelcaro | OmegaNine: eh? |
| 05:01.12 | bob2 | kooldeb: 002 so everyone can read it |
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| 05:01.42 | OmegaNine | If you go the front page it says the end is coming and that they are going threw legal battles, then to get in to the site is says "Go to homepage while you still can" |
| 05:01.42 | kooldeb | bob2: thanks |
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| 05:02.01 | ethics | <OmegaNine> what you mean companies like dell and such cant just strip the code close the source and build their own mediaplayer anymore? |
| 05:02.03 | OmegaNine | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html |
| 05:02.04 | bob2 | mplayer likes to whine |
| 05:02.12 | ethics | <OmegaNine>: or they are getting hassled? |
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| 05:02.18 | ethics | <OmegaNine>:nm reading link |
| 05:02.23 | OmegaNine | LOL |
| 05:02.24 | dondelelcaro | OmegaNine: uh, that's just the patent directive issues |
| 05:02.44 | OmegaNine | This is the first time I have heard of it |
| 05:03.07 | kooldeb | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server <-- has any one seen this before ? |
| 05:04.04 | dondelelcaro | OmegaNine: well, then you should read all about it |
| 05:04.05 | kooldeb | I get it when doing many things, even a simple vi for a file |
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| 05:05.03 | OmegaNine | The current total number of signatures is: 405263 <--LOL |
| 05:05.44 | ethics | 405264 8) |
| 05:05.56 | ethics | ill sign anything that says patent.... |
| 05:05.59 | ethics | bad idea |
| 05:06.07 | OmegaNine | He he |
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| 05:06.39 | OmegaNine | Wonder how many are real signs and how many are the same guys over and over |
| 05:06.47 | OmegaNine | http://petition.eurolinux.org/ if anyone cares. |
| 05:07.43 | OmegaNine | I think that there should be some system for it. Keep programers fed and all. But i dont think if you made a line of code 40 years ago you should be able to say no one else can use it today |
| 05:07.52 | ethics | well gimme a minute and ill use some patented software to set up some macros...... |
| 05:08.08 | OmegaNine | LOL |
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| 05:09.10 | naoliv | Hi. Does somebody knows how to make fonts on Xserver get smoothed (antialiased)? |
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| 05:10.11 | OmegaNine | naoliv, I cant say for sure, but I think thats a DM issue, gnome or kde should handle it. |
| 05:10.28 | bob2 | it's not a DM issue |
| 05:10.31 | bob2 | it's an application issue |
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| 05:10.43 | OmegaNine | See like I said I cant say for sure :-P |
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| 05:10.57 | naoliv | OmegaNine, But I use WindowMaker. Isn't that possible on WM? |
| 05:11.21 | OmegaNine | naoliv, No idea..I have not used it. |
| 05:11.36 | naoliv | OmegaNine, Right. Thanks! |
| 05:11.59 | OmegaNine | and like he said, if its not part of the destop (icons text or something) it would be application levl |
| 05:12.02 | sabi | yay, finally set up. |
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| 05:12.07 | kooldeb | any one is running xxgdb ? when run I get: all ptyx in use. Any ideas ? |
| 05:12.24 | OmegaNine | LOL "Yay finaly set up; parts" |
| 05:12.47 | iLL_L0gic | I'm having trouble getting the HostAP packages working in Sarge, do I have to configure something after install? |
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| 05:13.24 | naoliv | Just one more thing. Where do I change the default font size from 100dpi to 75dpi? |
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| 05:14.15 | simonrvn | kooldeb: kernel version? |
| 05:14.25 | OmegaNine | One thing i do miss about FC is that there are always rpm's. I like packege's, easy to see what you got and what you need. No one ever has .dep's. |
| 05:14.37 | kooldeb | simonrvn: 2.6.8 |
| 05:14.41 | bob2 | OmegaNine: what do you want that isn't packaged? |
| 05:15.11 | simonrvn | kooldeb: what does ls /dev/pts/ say? paste in /msg to me |
| 05:15.14 | OmegaNine | xine |
| 05:15.15 | iLL_L0gic | wlan-ng :P |
| 05:15.23 | bob2 | OmegaNine: xine is in Debian |
| 05:15.26 | iLL_L0gic | it's in unstable |
| 05:15.33 | kooldeb | simonrvn: and when run as root, I get: Error: Cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 05:15.34 | iLL_L0gic | *wlan-ng = in unstable |
| 05:15.37 | OmegaNine | Is there a converter, or am i a retard? Like for rpm to deb |
| 05:15.41 | OmegaNine | It is |
| 05:15.48 | simonrvn | kooldeb: doesn't matter (much) |
| 05:15.51 | Solet | when i try to mount the floopy from terminal it says i must spefify a filesystem type... whats the filesystem on a floppy i cant remember? |
| 05:16.05 | simonrvn | depends what you put on it |
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| 05:16.12 | naoliv | OmegaNine, "alien" is the converter. |
| 05:16.19 | iLL_L0gic | fat? |
| 05:16.22 | OmegaNine | 90% chance its fat... |
| 05:16.23 | iLL_L0gic | *FAT |
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| 05:16.34 | Moonscope | ill take Fat for 500 |
| 05:16.36 | Solet | so whats the syntax to do that? |
| 05:16.42 | simonrvn | man mount |
| 05:16.49 | Gnea | mount yer momma |
| 05:16.51 | OmegaNine | I dont see the .deb, but I will look in to alien right now |
| 05:16.56 | iLL_L0gic | mount -t FAT16 /dev/floppy /mnt/floppy |
| 05:16.58 | iLL_L0gic | somethin like that |
| 05:16.59 | Solet | mount -t fat /dev/fd0 ? |
| 05:17.01 | Gnea | usually there's something in /etc/fstab |
| 05:17.10 | Gnea | Solet: don't forget the mount point nitself |
| 05:17.10 | simonrvn | kooldeb: it's confused about something |
| 05:17.13 | Gnea | -n |
| 05:17.26 | simonrvn | kooldeb: could also be a bug. see the BTS /msg dpkg bts |
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| 05:17.35 | bob2 | OmegaNine: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?exact=0&searchon=names&version=all&case=insensitive&release=all&keywords=xine&arch=any |
| 05:17.43 | Gnea | Solet: you can see what you support: cat /proc/filesystems |
| 05:17.55 | kooldeb | simonrvn: what about that display error, it seems I get it pretty often |
| 05:18.20 | simonrvn | means you shouldn't run x apps as root |
| 05:18.33 | OmegaNine | Thanks bob2 |
| 05:18.46 | Solet | fat isnt on my supported fs list? |
| 05:18.47 | teemu_ | mmm |
| 05:18.48 | kooldeb | simonrvn: BTS did not help much |
| 05:18.49 | simonrvn | at least not without understanding the implications of doing so |
| 05:18.50 | OmegaNine | Is there a way i can setup apt-get to look in other places like yum? If so where? |
| 05:18.53 | Solet | what do i use then? |
| 05:19.00 | teemu_ | I compiled grsec kernel, and now my gidentd doesn't work :/ |
| 05:19.01 | Gnea | Solet: it might be called msdos or vfat |
| 05:19.04 | bob2 | OmegaNine: yes, but please don't do it |
| 05:19.09 | OmegaNine | LOL OK |
| 05:19.14 | bob2 | OmegaNine: and you do realise yum was modeled on apt, right? |
| 05:19.16 | kooldeb | simonrvn: oh ok. so there is something wrong |
| 05:19.19 | teemu_ | well it goes on but if I connect to irc, no ident shown |
| 05:19.20 | simonrvn | kooldeb: uh, you're supposed to go actually visit the site and look for the problem, not just read the factoid |
| 05:19.27 | bob2 | OmegaNine: what exactly isn't in Debian? |
| 05:19.33 | OmegaNine | Yeah, i came from FC2, so its what I know stil. |
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| 05:19.50 | kooldeb | simonrvn: lol ya, am doing so |
| 05:19.56 | simonrvn | ok |
| 05:20.03 | OmegaNine | a search for xine gave no resualts...Thought it would be nice to just type "apt-get xine" and let it do its thing. |
| 05:20.14 | Phated | xine-ui. |
| 05:20.26 | bob2 | OmegaNine: are you using woody or something? |
| 05:20.32 | iLL_L0gic | apt-cache search xine |
| 05:20.36 | Gnea | OmegaNine: it's a bit more intelligent, so you need to get down and dirty with it - apt-cache search xine |
| 05:20.41 | Phated | Hello, cafuego. |
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| 05:20.51 | OmegaNine | CASCHE, thats why |
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| 05:21.09 | cafuego | Nein, Enlisch. 'cache' |
| 05:21.09 | OmegaNine | I swear I read that in the man page just as you said it. he he |
| 05:21.16 | iLL_L0gic | so nobody has experience with HostAP in Debian, eh? |
| 05:21.42 | OmegaNine | I never use prisem cards, sorry |
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| 05:21.53 | Gnea | iLL_L0gic: i am not nobody. |
| 05:22.20 | iLL_L0gic | Gnea: is there anything I have to configure after I install the packages? |
| 05:22.25 | cafuego | Gnea: Yes, you are. |
| 05:22.26 | kooldeb | simonrvn: there seem to be a bug, but no fix that I coould find |
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| 05:22.40 | Gnea | cafuego :) |
| 05:22.46 | OmegaNine | :oP he he |
| 05:22.48 | iLL_L0gic | when I do a modprobe hostap and hostap_cs it doesn't show up |
| 05:22.57 | simonrvn | kooldeb: then be patient, it should be fixed sooner or later |
| 05:22.59 | Gnea | iLL_L0gic: /etc/hostapd/* |
| 05:23.12 | cafuego | iLL_L0gic: You need to configure pcmcia-cs to load the hostap modules FOR you, instead of the prism/orinoco ones. |
| 05:23.30 | Gnea | yeah |
| 05:23.34 | kooldeb | simonrvn: whats ptyx anywayz ? |
| 05:23.40 | iLL_L0gic | cafuego: ahhh, see, I was thinkin that, but didn't know the syntax |
| 05:23.44 | Gnea | if prism/orinoco is already loaded then it thinks it's taken |
| 05:23.50 | simonrvn | pseudo tty |
| 05:23.55 | OmegaNine | sweet, apt-get is nice. Im guessing its been around for a while? Was it made for debian or did deb just include it? |
| 05:24.00 | cafuego | bad spelling |
| 05:24.05 | Solet | ok i'm still having issues with acx100 |
| 05:24.19 | Gnea | OmegaNine: it's been with debian since the beginning AFAIK |
| 05:24.20 | simonrvn | cafuego: heh |
| 05:24.22 | kooldeb | simonrvn: not ure what you mean :P |
| 05:24.23 | Solet | i did the m-a a-i acx100-source and i got a good compile with no errors |
| 05:24.23 | caphuso | Gnea: no |
| 05:24.27 | karsten | How do you create a socket. Eg: /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 |
| 05:24.28 | Gnea | no?! |
| 05:24.35 | Gnea | well then |
| 05:24.43 | Gnea | caphuso: how long then? |
| 05:24.50 | Solet | then i did dpkg -i <output file.deb> |
| 05:24.50 | simonrvn | karsten: uh, dunno how? mkfifo |
| 05:24.51 | karsten | ...and more to the point, is it a problem if /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 doesn't exist (when the display *is* running). |
| 05:25.01 | caphuso | Gnea: i think potato was the first distribution with a usable apt-get in it |
| 05:25.02 | karsten | simonrvn: Sounds like the right recipie for a fifo ;-) |
| 05:25.04 | Gnea | because it's always been better than that redhat package management ... THING |
| 05:25.25 | Solet | and it says Setting up acx100-2.6.8-2-686 (version info bullshit) |
| 05:25.25 | cafuego | rpm -Uvh Gnea |
| 05:25.27 | Gnea | caphuso: hrm i thought slink had apt-get |
| 05:25.27 | simonrvn | karsten: yes it does =). ('recipe') |
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| 05:25.32 | Solet | then i try to modprobe it and it doesnt work |
| 05:25.35 | Gnea | i mean |
| 05:25.38 | Solet | did i miss a step? |
| 05:25.41 | Gnea | apt-get is just on top of dpkg |
| 05:25.54 | cafuego | !doesn't work |
| 05:25.54 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 05:25.57 | simonrvn | apt-get is the frontend for libapt... |
| 05:26.21 | Gnea | apt-get is so powerful |
| 05:26.24 | simonrvn | and uses dpkg to do the local stuff |
| 05:26.25 | Gnea | that they ported it to FC |
| 05:26.28 | Solet | FATAL: Module acx100 not found. |
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| 05:26.54 | Solet | FATAL: Module acx100-2.6.8-2-686 not found. |
| 05:26.56 | Solet | etc |
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| 05:27.05 | caphuso | Gnea: looks like you're right, slink seems to be the first one |
| 05:27.45 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 05:28.05 | caphuso | cafuego only consumes, it doesn't create |
| 05:28.10 | golf_ | I just installed a new nic (wireless), I had eth0 before, I don't see any eth1, is there something I should to do config it? |
| 05:28.11 | OmegaNine | Yay the take down is running in debian... |
| 05:28.31 | Gnea | caphuso: sounds like a shitty situation |
| 05:28.32 | OmegaNine | Now if I only had a real sound card |
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| 05:28.42 | cthulfuego | caphuso: Don't get is mixed up, please. |
| 05:29.11 | caphuso | Gnea: it's better than what it did before: sleeping for thousands of years under the sea, in a city not built by humans |
| 05:29.23 | cafuego | Solet: Just wondering, did you actually INSTALL the module you compiled? |
| 05:29.26 | kooldeb | golf: what wireless car is it ? |
| 05:29.41 | golf_ | Motorola |
| 05:29.51 | golf_ | I'm not sure about the model |
| 05:29.57 | kooldeb | golf: and u installed the driver and compiled it ? |
| 05:29.58 | Solet | cafuego: if by install you mean did i do dpkg -i then yes |
| 05:30.02 | Solet | otherwise no... |
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| 05:30.19 | cafuego | Solet: What does 'dpkg -L acx100-2.6.8-2-686' say? |
| 05:31.04 | Gnea | caphuso: now that's cause for debate. do you have scientific evidence to back your claim? |
| 05:31.06 | OmegaNine | raar so much more to take in. |
| 05:31.18 | OmegaNine | man dpkp |
| 05:31.20 | OmegaNine | oops |
| 05:31.32 | Gnea | yes, it helps to spell right the first time |
| 05:31.35 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:31.50 | caphuso | Gnea: see above |
| 05:31.52 | Solet | cafuego: a long list of stuff /. | /lib | /lib/firmware | /lib/modules ....... |
| 05:32.05 | cafuego | Solet: Anything ending in .ko ? |
| 05:32.17 | Solet | yes |
| 05:32.24 | OmegaNine | He He, i spelled ir right in the terminal... |
| 05:32.34 | golf_ | kooldeb, not really... that would be a good idea btw.. heh |
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| 05:32.48 | Gnea | caphuso: fair enough. :) |
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| 05:33.01 | Solet | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/acx100/acx_pci.ko |
| 05:33.19 | cafuego | Solet: 'modprobe acx_pci |
| 05:33.19 | kooldeb | golf: well, get the driver, the firmware, then in most cases you would have to do make, make install, restart, configure the card, then edit /etc/netwok/interfaces |
| 05:33.31 | Gnea | who will send me a USB mouse fingerprint device? |
| 05:33.38 | OmegaNine | .deb's realy that much difrent than .rpm? I mean why reinvent the wheel? |
| 05:33.45 | cafuego | Gnea: that's SO yesterday. |
| 05:33.49 | caphuso | OmegaNine: rpm is the reinvented wheel |
| 05:33.51 | Solet | yay no errors |
| 05:33.55 | simonrvn | yes it is. it's better |
| 05:33.56 | kooldeb | OmegaNine: there is alien |
| 05:33.57 | cafuego | Solet: iwconfig |
| 05:34.19 | OmegaNine | caphuso, Oh |
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| 05:34.24 | Gnea | OmegaNine: we're talking about about shit that was made nearly 10 *years* ago and has evolved. dpkg was around long before rpm was |
| 05:34.27 | caphuso | with more corners than any package format before... |
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| 05:34.33 | kooldeb | OmegaNine: you can run an rpm through alien |
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| 05:34.44 | stouset | Mornin' |
| 05:34.48 | OmegaNine | Yeah, I just wondered..Why not go .deb |
| 05:34.48 | Gnea | yeah, alien is the shiznit |
| 05:34.55 | Solet | cafuego: lo nowireless extentions | eth0 no wireless ectentions | sit0 no wireless extentions |
| 05:34.56 | OmegaNine | and DAMN didnt know debian had been around that long |
| 05:35.01 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:35.05 | Gnea | well |
| 05:35.08 | Gnea | think about it |
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| 05:35.12 | Gnea | linux has only been around since '93 |
| 05:35.22 | cafuego | Solet: iwconfig -a |
| 05:35.26 | OmegaNine | He He, my whole screen lit up read with people saying my name then telling me im a retard :-P |
| 05:35.33 | Solet | no such devices |
| 05:35.36 | golf_ | kooldeb, oki, I'm gonna look for it, thanks |
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| 05:35.42 | cafuego | Solet: Give up, buy a supported card. |
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| 05:35.57 | maher | Solet: is your card in the linux wlan list |
| 05:36.03 | Gnea | OmegaNine: sounds like quite the titty-twister |
| 05:36.03 | Solet | maher yes |
| 05:36.10 | Solet | dwl-520+ |
| 05:36.12 | maher | Solet: what driver |
| 05:36.16 | Gnea | whoha |
| 05:36.19 | stouset | solet: which pagan gods have you given alms to? |
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| 05:36.21 | Solet | acx100 |
| 05:36.23 | kooldeb | what is the most supported wireless card for linux ? |
| 05:36.27 | OmegaNine | Gnea, :-P Oh well, learned something...Thats always a plus |
| 05:36.29 | cafuego | kooldeb: orinoco |
| 05:36.32 | Gnea | d-link has a prism-based nic? |
| 05:36.40 | Gnea | OmegaNine: yes. |
| 05:36.58 | kooldeb | cafuego: thats the driver or the manufacture of the card ? |
| 05:37.03 | ben_h | kooldeb: one with a prism54 chipset |
| 05:37.28 | OmegaNine | anyone here got ipodder to work in linux? I need a rss audio feeder for linux and I will be happy. IM totally addicted to Leo Laports raidio show. |
| 05:37.34 | kooldeb | ben_h : can u give me any example of such card, I want to get a highly linux supported card |
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| 05:37.37 | ben_h | i don't know if it's the *best*, but it's definitely fully supported. i have one and I can tell you it's good |
| 05:37.48 | Gnea | OmegaNine: rss audio? |
| 05:37.50 | ben_h | kooldeb: mine is pcmcia, the Netgear WG511 i think |
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| 05:37.58 | OmegaNine | podcasting... |
| 05:38.08 | Gnea | ipods are expensive. |
| 05:38.08 | kooldeb | ben_h: is it B or G ? |
| 05:38.15 | zurishaddai | hi all i need help installing the nvidia drivers, it asks for libc but i am unable to apt-get the file for it. |
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| 05:38.17 | ben_h | kooldeb: both |
| 05:38.24 | bob2 | podcasting is by far the most annoying word I've heard this year |
| 05:38.26 | Gnea | shit that's half a months rent |
| 05:38.29 | kooldeb | ben_h :ah nice. how much is it ? |
| 05:38.33 | maher | Solet: that;s not what it says on the lwan list |
| 05:38.33 | OmegaNine | Gnea, ipodder is just a program for pod casting, its not really for an ipod |
| 05:38.34 | Solet | so why's mine not working? |
| 05:38.38 | beeblebrox87 | whats the syntax for pinning by origin in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 05:38.44 | ben_h | kooldeb: i paid AU$100 about 6 months ago |
| 05:38.44 | Gnea | OmegaNine: ah ok, my bad |
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| 05:38.48 | maher | Solet: it says t1 |
| 05:38.53 | beeblebrox87 | is the origin a hostname or a path or what? |
| 05:38.58 | cafuego | OmegaNine: it's trivial, take any rss feed and insert an 'enclosure' field. |
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| 05:39.11 | Paganist | How should i do to see a result in the console and log it in the same time to a file, right now i use like tcpdump | grep -v www > logfile but this won't let me see the result so.... any idea ? |
| 05:39.15 | Solet | maher: huh? |
| 05:39.17 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: find an example with google |
| 05:39.17 | zurishaddai | can anyone help me? |
| 05:39.21 | bob2 | Paganist: use tee |
| 05:39.29 | Gnea | OmegaNine: so is there some sort of xml hook to snag an audio player onto that? |
| 05:39.30 | Paganist | tee ? |
| 05:39.30 | cafuego | <enclosure url="mp3 file" length="filesize" type="audio/mpeg"/> |
| 05:39.34 | OmegaNine | cafuego, wow, you just went way over my head :-P |
| 05:39.35 | Gnea | oh |
| 05:39.36 | caphuso | beeblebrox87: the value of the Origin header in the Release file |
| 05:39.37 | Gnea | LOL |
| 05:39.38 | kooldeb | ben_h: I have the Intel PCI wireless card, gave me all kind of trouble |
| 05:39.40 | Gnea | cafuego: right on the money |
| 05:39.44 | bob2 | Paganist: the 'tee' command |
| 05:39.45 | maher | Solet: D-Link 802.11b+ 22Mbps DWL-520+ PCI TI |
| 05:39.47 | Paganist | thank you bob2 i go to the man page right away... |
| 05:39.52 | cafuego | Gnea: Missing a space actually |
| 05:39.53 | bob2 | Paganist: blah blah blah | tee outputfile |
| 05:39.56 | OmegaNine | Gnea, Yeah and it lets to DL past shows.... |
| 05:40.01 | Gnea | cafuego: i see that at the end |
| 05:40.05 | ben_h | kooldeb: yeah I couldn't get my internal intel one to work. i already had the netgear card from a prvious laptop though |
| 05:40.08 | catalyst4000 | hey |
| 05:40.12 | Paganist | bob2: wasn't sarcastic but thanks :) |
| 05:40.24 | Gnea | OmegaNine: neat, is that a full download or just a streaming past? |
| 05:40.25 | OmegaNine | Gnea, I know its 'not cool' to like tech TV among geeks. But i loved that network |
| 05:40.28 | catalyst4000 | how do you get the alsa sound drivers to automatically load during boot? |
| 05:40.33 | OmegaNine | Gnea, Full MP3 |
| 05:40.34 | Solet | maher: the acx100 sourceforge site says that the 520+ is supported... |
| 05:40.42 | kooldeb | ben_h: its just pain in the ass to keep inserting that PCMCIA, thats the thing |
| 05:40.46 | catalyst4000 | I have to run alsaconf after each boot... it's getting quite annoying :) |
| 05:40.47 | Solet | did i do the wrong driver? |
| 05:40.49 | ben_h | yeah that's the problem |
| 05:40.52 | Gnea | OmegaNine: fuck that shit, like what you like and don't let anyone else tell you different |
| 05:40.58 | OmegaNine | Gnea, Leo puts his out a week late, to "keep the live feeds going" but its still nice. |
| 05:41.06 | ben_h | but i have a mac mini now, so all my wireess-related problems are over :D |
| 05:41.12 | OmegaNine | Gnea, I really dont care, just wasnt in the mood to get flamed again :-P he he |
| 05:41.19 | Gnea | OmegaNine: i dig |
| 05:41.30 | kooldeb | ben_h: do you know any internal PCI cards based on the prism54 :P |
| 05:41.31 | OmegaNine | After that .dep and .rmp coment and all.... |
| 05:41.32 | jetscreamer | catalyst4000: install hotplug discover and alsa-base |
| 05:41.46 | Gnea | no see hehe |
| 05:41.48 | kooldeb | ben_h: and that does not sound cheap either |
| 05:41.54 | Gnea | i have this thing for debate |
| 05:41.56 | zurishaddai | can anyone help me? |
| 05:41.57 | naoliv | Bye people! |
| 05:41.57 | OmegaNine | ben_d, You like the mac mini, i was thinking about getting one, but then I upgraded my PC |
| 05:41.57 | zurishaddai | hi all i need help installing the nvidia drivers, it asks for libc but i am unable to apt-get the file for it. |
| 05:41.59 | Moonscope | ok, i did a kernel upgrade and i got errors..... |
| 05:42.01 | Moonscope | make[2]: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 |
| 05:42.02 | Solet | maher: lspci says its an acx100 |
| 05:42.03 | Moonscope | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.7' |
| 05:42.04 | Moonscope | make[1]: *** [real_stamp_image] Error 2 |
| 05:42.04 | jetscreamer | see also /msg dpkg alsa-bork |
| 05:42.06 | Moonscope | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.7' |
| 05:42.07 | Moonscope | make: *** [kernel-image-deb] Error 2 |
| 05:42.17 | Gnea | there are a lot of idiots out there that can't handle debate |
| 05:42.18 | OmegaNine | MoonMind, past that in 3flood |
| 05:42.22 | OmegaNine | err #flood even |
| 05:42.30 | jetscreamer | err Moonscope even |
| 05:42.30 | Moonscope | ? |
| 05:42.40 | jetscreamer | camn chatzilla user i bet |
| 05:42.44 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 05:42.53 | maher | Solet: ok - you might even have the right driver |
| 05:43.16 | Solet | maher: so what do you think is wrong with it? |
| 05:43.18 | zurishaddai | i need help installing the nvidia drivers, it asks for libc but i am unable to apt-get the file for it. |
| 05:43.20 | OmegaNine | VERSION mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 05:43.21 | maher | Solet: does the card show up in iwconfig |
| 05:43.36 | kooldeb | ben_h: check this out : http://prism54.org/supported_cards.php |
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| 05:43.42 | OmegaNine | zurishaddai, what ver of deb you installing? |
| 05:43.49 | zurishaddai | 2.4.27 |
| 05:43.53 | kooldeb | ben_h: your card is listed there |
| 05:44.01 | zurishaddai | 3.0 testing |
| 05:44.06 | zurishaddai | i believe |
| 05:44.08 | Solet | not that i see... i see 'lo' 'eth0' (my hard line ethernet port) and 'sit0', i have know idea what lo and sit0 are... |
| 05:44.16 | OmegaNine | zurishaddai, weird..I just installed it and its working fine |
| 05:44.25 | maher | Solet: what happens in the logs when you load the driver |
| 05:44.26 | zurishaddai | well how might i get libc |
| 05:44.42 | zurishaddai | because i installed from a minimal cd and didn't do a normal install |
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| 05:44.52 | zurishaddai | any ideas? |
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| 05:44.55 | Solet | maher: which perticular logs? |
| 05:44.57 | racoontje | zurishaddai: got internet? |
| 05:45.01 | zurishaddai | yessir |
| 05:45.01 | racoontje | apt-get install libc I ugess |
| 05:45.05 | zurishaddai | i tried |
| 05:45.08 | maher | Solet: syslog / kern.log / daemon.log |
| 05:45.11 | zurishaddai | it says it doesn't exist |
| 05:45.18 | racoontje | oh yeah wait |
| 05:45.28 | kooldeb | anyone using a wireless card which worked smoothly under Debian ? |
| 05:45.29 | Solet | maher: what are their paths? |
| 05:45.36 | beeblebrox87 | caphuso: actually, no. "A note of caution: the keyword used here is "origin". This should not be confused with the Origin of a distribution as specified in a Release file." -- apt_preferences(5) |
| 05:45.38 | maher | Solet: /var.log |
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| 05:45.41 | OmegaNine | zurishaddai, did you try apt-cache search libc? |
| 05:45.41 | cafuego | zurishaddai: if any applicatiosn run (at all) libc is installed. |
| 05:45.42 | maher | Solet: /var/log |
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| 05:45.46 | zurishaddai | it says "E: can't find package libc" |
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| 05:45.49 | beeblebrox87 | bob2: Thanks, found one |
| 05:45.50 | zurishaddai | no lemme see real quick |
| 05:45.52 | racoontje | hey |
| 05:45.54 | Moonscope | nm guys, dont stress, i worked it out. |
| 05:45.56 | racoontje | apt-get install libc6 |
| 05:45.57 | cafuego | zurishaddai: it's called libc6 and it's there. |
| 05:46.01 | racoontje | LOL |
| 05:46.05 | racoontje | Hi cafuego :P |
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| 05:46.09 | cafuego | apt-get won't run without it. |
| 05:46.19 | zurishaddai | hey racoon |
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| 05:46.24 | racoontje | cafuego: good point. Very little will run without glibc |
| 05:46.28 | zurishaddai | it says no updates needed |
| 05:46.35 | racoontje | if apt-get runs |
| 05:46.38 | zurishaddai | but my install program seems to believe that it doesn't exist |
| 05:46.40 | racoontje | you already have libc6 |
| 05:46.44 | zurishaddai | i know |
| 05:46.47 | racoontje | so, your program is looking in the wrong spot |
| 05:46.48 | caphuso | beeblebrox87: ah, sorry, i misremembered |
| 05:46.53 | cafuego | zurishaddai: What install program? |
| 05:46.55 | zurishaddai | but the nvidia program says i need to install libc |
| 05:46.58 | maher | !nv |
| 05:46.58 | dpkg | somebody said nv was the X4's free video-driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or gForce), the cursed (non-free) one is nvidia, or nv does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX, or however nvidia's drivers do that |
| 05:47.01 | zurishaddai | nvidia drivers |
| 05:47.09 | cafuego | zurishaddai: You shouldn't be using the nvidia install program to begin with. |
| 05:47.13 | racoontje | cd / && sudo find | grep libc |
| 05:47.21 | cafuego | !nvidia one-liner |
| 05:47.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. see <non-free sources> |
| 05:47.23 | zurishaddai | what should i use? |
| 05:47.25 | maher | !nvidia |
| 05:47.25 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 05:47.42 | Cyis | zurishaddai: no reason to use the nvidia installer when the nvidia driver is packaged already and works fine |
| 05:47.54 | zurishaddai | no cyis i have PCI-Ex |
| 05:48.01 | Steven_Y | 倧家奜 ^^ |
| 05:48.02 | Solet | maher syslog says 'failed with error -5 |
| 05:48.04 | zurishaddai | so i need to install new drivers to use X |
| 05:48.21 | racoontje | zurishaddai: probably not, but I can't explain now, gtg |
| 05:48.26 | maher | Solet: paste the 5 lines on either side of that in #flood |
| 05:48.30 | cafuego | zurishaddai: Then what you need is to upgrade to Debian Sarge to begin with. |
| 05:48.45 | maher | zurishaddai: the nv should work without acc |
| 05:48.46 | zurishaddai | how might i go about doing that? |
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| 05:49.07 | zurishaddai | cafuego how do i upgrade debian sarge? |
| 05:49.14 | racoontje | zurishaddai: vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:49.19 | racoontje | change the distros to sarge |
| 05:49.21 | racoontje | or testing |
| 05:49.21 | cafuego | !tell zurishaddai -about woody->sarge |
| 05:49.28 | Cyis | zurishaddai: what chip are you working with? My AMD64 has a nvidia chip and works fine |
| 05:49.31 | cafuego | sarge, not testing |
| 05:49.34 | racoontje | Who still installs woody anyway |
| 05:49.49 | racoontje | people who can't find the d-i images? ;-) |
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| 05:50.00 | zurishaddai | i am running a P4 3.2 with HT on an ECS 915 P-A |
| 05:50.23 | cafuego | Then yes, a newer debian wtih a n ewer kernel is going to improve speed a great deal. |
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| 05:50.34 | zurishaddai | and my card is pci-express |
| 05:50.44 | zurishaddai | so i need to install newer drivers and stuff to get X to run |
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| 05:51.27 | bluefox83 | how do i replace all of the spaces in every filename in a directory? |
| 05:51.36 | bluefox83 | in one command.. |
| 05:51.41 | maher | bluefox83: rename |
| 05:51.44 | cafuego | zurishaddai: X just uses pci-e as if it were AGP, which it uses as if it were PCI. |
| 05:51.56 | zurishaddai | no it doesn't though |
| 05:51.59 | zurishaddai | i can't run it |
| 05:52.01 | zurishaddai | i tried |
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| 05:52.07 | zurishaddai | i don't know whats wrong |
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| 05:52.15 | zurishaddai | but how do i edit the sources.list? |
| 05:52.18 | Cyis | zurishaddai: I'm beginning to get confused what your actual problem is then... PCI-Express should work... If didn't then it's a miracle my Dell PowerEdge works as it has only PCI-Express slots |
| 05:52.18 | zurishaddai | what is the command? |
| 05:52.19 | cafuego | That's because the kernel you have no undoubtedly doesn't support your chipset properly. |
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| 05:52.34 | cafuego | Cyis: He may well be on 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 |
| 05:52.37 | kooldeb | anyone using a wireless card which worked was installed and worked smoothly under Debian ? |
| 05:52.41 | zurishaddai | well i need to update my kernel then |
| 05:52.47 | Cyis | cafuego: that's the only thing I can think of |
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| 05:52.55 | golfey | kooldeb, not yet |
| 05:52.55 | cafuego | zurishaddai: http://www.debian.org -> Go and read the crash course documentation. |
| 05:53.00 | zurishaddai | ok |
| 05:53.09 | Cyis | I just keep jigdo and a CD-RW handy |
| 05:53.14 | OmegaNine | Ugh its been years since I tried wireless in linux, but I ended up running cat5 threw my house in the end. |
| 05:53.18 | kooldeb | golfey: lol nice encouragement there |
| 05:53.33 | Cyis | I run jigdo and burn a new Sarge ISO everytime I install a new machine |
| 05:53.36 | golfey | kooldeb, thanks haha |
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| 05:53.51 | bluefox83 | maher, i think you'll need to be a little more specific, i don't know how to show "all files with spaces" in perl command line.. |
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| 05:53.59 | Cyis | although with my new AMD64 workstation I couldn't use jigdo as AMD64 isn't "official" yet |
| 05:54.10 | maher | bluefox83: umm you need a perl regex to replace spaces with something else... |
| 05:54.17 | cafuego | Cyis: That's why mine runs Ubuntu |
| 05:54.28 | bluefox83 | i want to replace all the spaces with _ |
| 05:54.34 | stouset | bluefox83: tr |
| 05:54.40 | OmegaNine | Is there a extra entry in the XFree86.conf that I can add to tell it I have a wheel mouse? I just realized it doe not know. |
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| 05:54.42 | bluefox83 | tr? |
| 05:54.44 | stouset | bluefox83: tr " " "_" |
| 05:54.52 | cafuego | bluefox83: rename 's/ /_/' * |
| 05:54.53 | jetscreamer | imps2 vs ps2 OmegaNine |
| 05:55.01 | Cyis | cafuego: I ran the Ubuntu LiveCD to test the system before installing |
| 05:55.06 | zurishaddai | cafuego: where is the crash course documentation? should i just read all of it? |
| 05:55.16 | cafuego | zurishaddai: let me have a quick look... |
| 05:55.21 | zurishaddai | ok |
| 05:55.30 | OmegaNine | imps2? So I should like it to /dev/imps2? |
| 05:55.39 | zurishaddai | Cyis: what is the command to edit text documents again? |
| 05:55.41 | simonrvn | no, /dev/input/mice |
| 05:55.42 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 05:55.43 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 05:55.43 | Cyis | OmegaNine: 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:55.44 | jetscreamer | in there |
| 05:55.56 | beeblebrox87 | why is downgrading a bad idea? |
| 05:56.02 | maher | beeblebrox87: cos it doesn't work |
| 05:56.09 | OmegaNine | Cyis, Nah, but I was looking for a reason to upgrade....He He |
| 05:56.16 | beeblebrox87 | maher: what do you mean? |
| 05:56.18 | OmegaNine | 2.4.27-2 |
| 05:56.20 | Cyis | zurishaddai: I use vi |
| 05:56.21 | jetscreamer | it's not /dev, just ps2.. not ps2 prot, which is psaux... |
| 05:56.29 | beeblebrox87 | 435 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 132 downgraded, 16 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 05:56.30 | jetscreamer | s/prot/port/ |
| 05:56.32 | cafuego | zurishaddai: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 05:56.37 | maher | beeblebrox87: what are you doing |
| 05:56.44 | jetscreamer | imps2 |
| 05:56.51 | stouset | jetscreamer: pr0t? |
| 05:56.51 | Cyis | OmegaNine: I run 2.6 cause I've noticed definate speed and performance improvements |
| 05:56.57 | simonrvn | s/t/n/ |
| 05:57.05 | bluefox83 | cafuego, i'm afraid that only replaced every first space..not every single space.. |
| 05:57.07 | beeblebrox87 | downgrading from a version of debian-amd64 compiled with gcc-4.0 to one compiled with gcc-3.3 |
| 05:57.11 | simonrvn | yeh yeh, predictable |
| 05:57.15 | OmegaNine | Cyis, Thats a good enough reason. |
| 05:57.22 | maher | bluefox83: stick a g on the end og the regex |
| 05:57.31 | OmegaNine | Cyis, I will do ittomorrow when i have not just gotten home for a bar :-P |
| 05:57.37 | Cyis | beeblebrox87: why did you downgrade? I only ask as I just installed pure64 from the get-go |
| 05:57.42 | cafuego | bluefox83: rename 's/ /_/g' * |
| 05:57.48 | beeblebrox87 | most of those 132 packages currently have versions ending in .0.0.1.gcc4 due to minor patches |
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| 05:57.56 | Cyis | OmegaNine: for me that's the best time to code :) |
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| 05:58.10 | zurishaddai | cafuego: what am i readin about in this doc? |
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| 05:58.16 | Cyis | ok... afk for a bit... late dinner as I just got back from class |
| 05:58.21 | OmegaNine | I can just use apt-get right? No need to recompile? I only recompuliled once in class on linux friendly computers. This is far from a linux friendly computer |
| 05:58.25 | cafuego | bluefox83: You could probably use 's/([ ])+/_/g' to concatenate all multiple spaces into one as well. |
| 05:58.25 | beeblebrox87 | Cyis: gcc4 is getting less and less supported, the packages are falling behind in versions, i'd rather have newer versions of regular packages than a newer version of gcc |
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| 05:58.45 | cafuego | Don't quote me on that regex |
| 05:58.46 | maher | beeblebrox87: well i fyou kow what you are doing it is probably ok |
| 05:59.01 | zurishaddai | cafuego: what am i readin about in this doc? |
| 05:59.04 | cafuego | zurishaddai: Pretty much the whole thing, how to isnatll and upgrade software |
| 05:59.16 | Cyis | beeblebrox87: yeah I saw your comment in #debian-amd64 but had just gotten in |
| 05:59.17 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: just s/\ +/_/g |
| 05:59.18 | beeblebrox87 | i'm encouraged by the fact that apt-get is willing to do this with a simple dist-upgrade command |
| 05:59.44 | zurishaddai | well shit all i need to do is edit my sources.list then run apt-upgrade right? |
| 06:00.00 | ben_h | apt-get update first |
| 06:00.02 | cafuego | zurishaddai: Essentially, yes. |
| 06:00.03 | zurishaddai | aptitude update* |
| 06:00.12 | zurishaddai | well why can't i just do that? |
| 06:00.21 | cafuego | ^[:alpha:] ? |
| 06:00.33 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: alphanum+_ iirc |
| 06:00.37 | beeblebrox87 | i took a different mirror from the one i was using for gcc-4.0, then set it's priority to 1001 with the origin tag in /etc/apt/preferences, and now everything is downgrading nicely |
| 06:00.38 | cafuego | zurishaddai: Coz you'll KEEP asking stuff you could have found out by looking at the docs. |
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| 06:01.04 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: numbers are overrated |
| 06:01.10 | zurishaddai | how long is this thing? |
| 06:01.27 | dondelelcaro | this |-------| long |
| 06:01.29 | sgeigerbot | petemc: It is unclear to me whether VDE requires qemu. Have you seen any examples of it that did not involve qemu? |
| 06:01.37 | Solet | how do i change permissions on a file? |
| 06:01.43 | maher | Solet: chmod |
| 06:01.45 | sgeigerbot | Solet: chmod |
| 06:01.48 | goodboy | anyone know if this is a good switch. http://www.pastebin.com/276513 |
| 06:01.51 | sgeigerbot | !lart maher |
| 06:01.52 | jetscreamer | modch |
| 06:01.56 | OmegaNine | God debian is so stable. Fedora would have crashed by now. Its been up for....almost a day now. |
| 06:01.57 | maher | Solet: you probably want adduser user adm |
| 06:02.13 | jetscreamer | a lot more than just adm |
| 06:02.19 | jetscreamer | didn't i make a factoid? |
| 06:02.21 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
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| 06:02.48 | ben_h | OmegaNine: you say that like it's out of the ordinary |
| 06:02.49 | ben_h | :) |
| 06:03.17 | cafuego | maher: did you end up finding a usb wifi thing? |
| 06:03.19 | jetscreamer | guess not |
| 06:03.22 | OmegaNine | ben_h, first bed install...Not used to it yet :-P |
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| 06:03.28 | maher | cafuego: nah - i haven't picked one up yet... |
| 06:03.44 | cafuego | well THAT does it! |
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| 06:04.07 | OmegaNine | xine always made fedora crash, im 45 minutes in to the take down and its still runing smooth as hell |
| 06:04.38 | jetscreamer | i prefer xine-ui, totem-xine is good on one monitor, but borked on dual monitors |
| 06:04.53 | jetscreamer | in fullscreen mode it drew stuff |
| 06:04.57 | jetscreamer | nothing crashy |
| 06:04.58 | OmegaNine | Well i am using xine-ui |
| 06:05.33 | OmegaNine | But nothing about fedora is stable yet. Witch is weird, I thought it was based in red hat, and back in the day red hat was stable. |
| 06:05.54 | sgeigerbot | OmegaNine: which day was that? |
| 06:06.04 | OmegaNine | At least it was on my 250MHz campaq :-P |
| 06:06.28 | OmegaNine | sgeigerbot, the day when 250MHz was kind he he |
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| 06:10.15 | cafuego | wtf is DirectVobSub loading? |
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| 06:10.29 | maher | cafuego: you just made that up |
| 06:10.36 | cafuego | maher: eh? |
| 06:10.53 | maher | cafuego: DirectVobSub loading <-- clearly made up nonsense |
| 06:10.57 | jetscreamer | vob is the dvd rip thing i think |
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| 06:10.59 | cafuego | maher: No, it's real. |
| 06:11.12 | jetscreamer | you cvan play a .vob in xine |
| 06:11.15 | cafuego | maher: it's a subtitle splicer plugin for directshow |
| 06:11.28 | cafuego | i just dunno why it decided it had to start |
| 06:11.33 | kooldeb | anyone is successfully using a wireless card which was installed and worked smoothly under Debian ? |
| 06:11.36 | mae | What is the most elegant solution for installing the sun j2sdk on a debian box, (besides not installing it at all :) |
| 06:11.48 | jetscreamer | !java-package |
| 06:11.48 | dpkg | i heard java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. |
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| 06:12.14 | maher | kooldeb: look at the list of drivers in the standard kernel - look at the linux wlan list of cards which use those... |
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| 06:12.45 | cafuego | kooldeb: Yes, I answered your original question well over half an hour ago with 'orinoco'. |
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| 06:13.45 | OmegaNine | He He |
| 06:13.48 | kooldeb | cafuego: sorry about that. |
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| 06:14.33 | Moonscope | what does this command do? |
| 06:14.35 | Moonscope | mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.11.7 2.6.8.1 |
| 06:14.40 | stranger | hi friends |
| 06:14.49 | jetscreamer | seems to make an initrd, strangely enough |
| 06:14.53 | Moonscope | sorry, |
| 06:14.58 | deadcat | Moonscope: it will bring you problem. |
| 06:15.03 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 06:15.05 | dondelelcaro | Moonscope: it makes an initrd, and probably not the one you want. |
| 06:15.23 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --initrd baybee |
| 06:15.25 | Moonscope | i just noticed that the last numbers arnt right |
| 06:15.34 | Moonscope | i change it to mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.11.7 2.6.11.7 is taht better? |
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| 06:15.58 | deadcat | is it recommented to build initrd into the kernel or not? |
| 06:16.01 | jetscreamer | you could not use an initrd, unless you need an initrd |
| 06:16.12 | Guerin | s/could/should/ |
| 06:16.14 | Moonscope | and what is an initrd ? |
| 06:16.25 | simonrvn | @initrd |
| 06:16.26 | ravenbird | initrd is probably initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image |
| 06:16.26 | Guerin | INITial Ram Disk |
| 06:16.27 | jetscreamer | initial ramdisk, strangely enough |
| 06:16.41 | stranger | I am having problems when viewing video clips, the display is full of coulors and nothing to see.. I tried this in mplayer, xine and totem.. |
| 06:16.55 | simonrvn | @initrd =~ s/god/$deity/ |
| 06:16.56 | ravenbird | simonrvn: OK |
| 06:16.57 | deadcat | stranger: bad pron maybe. |
| 06:17.09 | Guerin | stranger: any randomly chosen clip, or just some? |
| 06:17.09 | zurishaddai | !nvidia |
| 06:17.10 | dpkg | i heard nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 06:17.11 | maher | too much pr)n makes your vision go funny |
| 06:17.31 | Moonscope | so, if i shouldnt use initrd what should i use? |
| 06:17.41 | jetscreamer | you can use initrd |
| 06:17.45 | Guerin | Moonscope: build a proper kernel |
| 06:17.45 | caphuso | Moonscope: a prebuilt kernel image |
| 06:17.45 | jetscreamer | but do you need to |
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| 06:17.54 | Moonscope | oh great |
| 06:17.57 | jetscreamer | just compile the modules you need in, say y or whatever |
| 06:18.06 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 06:18.06 | dpkg | from memory, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 06:18.06 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 06:18.07 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 06:18.08 | Moonscope | so all i did just then wont do me any good |
| 06:18.16 | jetscreamer | it might |
| 06:18.24 | caphuso | what's the point in wasting hours, trying to configure a kernel that won't work anyways because you forgot 20 things you didn't even know you need? |
| 06:18.24 | maher | Solet: you have some prize error messages |
| 06:18.28 | sparr_ | if anyone here plays Cube, where does it put screenshots in linux? windows? macos? solaris? |
| 06:18.43 | jetscreamer | somewhere under ~ i guess |
| 06:18.53 | simonrvn | gotta start somewhere. that somewhere is using a debian /boot/config-* |
| 06:18.54 | sparr_ | jetscreamer: cube doesnt know what ~ is |
| 06:18.58 | Moonscope | so i created a kernel image? |
| 06:19.10 | jetscreamer | i doesn't know what cube is so ok :( |
| 06:19.39 | maher | Solet: your driver isn't loading the firmware |
| 06:19.45 | jetscreamer | Moonscope: i dunno what you did, what was the command line you compiled with |
| 06:20.11 | Moonscope | make-kpkg clean |
| 06:20.11 | Moonscope | fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 06:20.31 | jetscreamer | you made a kernel-image-blah.deb in ../ |
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| 06:20.45 | jetscreamer | w/o initrd... make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 06:20.55 | maher | Solet: you have some prize error messages |
| 06:20.57 | maher | Solet: your driver isn't loading the firmware |
| 06:21.08 | Moonscope | so, for a server, should i be using a kernel image or actually recompilinig the kernel? |
| 06:21.11 | jetscreamer | i dunno if you can tell make-kpkg just to make an initrd or use what was already compiled to make a new package, but maybe |
| 06:21.18 | jetscreamer | up2u |
| 06:21.19 | bob2 | Moonscope: kernel image |
| 06:21.29 | bob2 | unless you actually know why you'd want to use a custom one |
| 06:21.32 | maher | Solet: find the firmware and cp it to /lib/firmware/WLANGEN.BIN |
| 06:21.36 | jetscreamer | what he said, based on your exp. |
| 06:21.41 | maher | Solet: or just buy a different card... |
| 06:21.53 | Moonscope | all i wanted to do was upgrade the kernel, now im using a kernel image? |
| 06:22.17 | bob2 | oh god |
| 06:22.17 | Solet | ok... *starts looking for firmware...* i found it a day or so ago... |
| 06:22.19 | jetscreamer | Moonscope: apt-cache search kernel-image, pick one, apt-get install it |
| 06:22.23 | cafuego | simonrvn: <hee> isn't bsd fun? |
| 06:22.24 | Solet | oh btw MoniTor!~selinnnn@85.96.83.225 = spammer |
| 06:22.25 | bob2 | Moonscope: the deal is that you don't know how to build one |
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| 06:22.33 | bob2 | Moonscope: so you use one someone else built |
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| 06:22.37 | Moonscope | bob2: this is true |
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| 06:22.44 | Moonscope | well i have built a kernel image |
| 06:22.44 | cafuego | simonrvn: I just plonked OpenBSD 3.6 on a vmware box, to run as honeypot. |
| 06:23.11 | simonrvn | ooh |
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| 06:23.32 | Solet | whats the best way to find a monitor's vertical refresh and horiz sync ratings? |
| 06:23.38 | caphuso | Solet: the manual |
| 06:23.39 | jetscreamer | google |
| 06:23.42 | jetscreamer | seriously |
| 06:23.45 | mwilson | Read its specifications. |
| 06:23.47 | cafuego | OpenBSD honeypot.mel.cc.com.au 3.6 GENERIC#59 i386 |
| 06:23.51 | Solet | caphuso: used monitor; no manual |
| 06:23.52 | jetscreamer | all of the above |
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| 06:23.56 | jetscreamer | google |
| 06:23.57 | mwilson | It's not like they're some sort of secret. |
| 06:23.59 | caphuso | Solet: find one on the net |
| 06:24.11 | jetscreamer | i find googling just the model # gives me the best results |
| 06:24.16 | simonrvn | cafuego: i was thinking of running this thing as my router if a) i can find a faster and smaller machine b) get it to finish this build |
| 06:24.17 | Solet | yay research time... |
| 06:24.27 | Solet | gonna have a 3 head system in a few mins :) |
| 06:24.44 | cafuego | simonrvn: Well, a micro-atx amd64 should cost you around AU$600 ;-) |
| 06:24.58 | simonrvn | um, not new. i can't afford new |
| 06:25.03 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:25.12 | goodboy | anyone know how to tell if a swich is bad?? can someone look at my config file to see if its right. i can't seem to get a light on the port. http://www.pastebin.com/276525 thanks.. |
| 06:25.26 | gpm | so, what's the problem with using gaim as an irc client? |
| 06:25.35 | cafuego | The dlink box runs as router, but it forwards everything to the openbsd vm. |
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| 06:26.07 | stouset | gpm: nothing |
| 06:26.18 | maher | cafuego: what's the point of this? |
| 06:26.42 | gpm | stouset: /msg dpkg gaim....dpkg says it's a "shit irc client" or something along those lines |
| 06:26.50 | simonrvn | what i'd need is some sort of "appliance" thing i can plop a bsd on |
| 06:26.52 | cafuego | maher: portscanning morons will be less likely to attempt a locked down openbsd dos as opposed to an appliance. |
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| 06:27.32 | stouset | gpm: dpkg automatically grabs shit out of conversations and tries to piece together knowledge |
| 06:27.35 | simonrvn | a locked down bsd facing the net is kick ass. second to that is a locked down ppc linux box. |
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| 06:27.54 | stouset | gpm: Most likely someone said, "gaim is a shit irc client" and dpkg noted it. |
| 06:28.07 | jetscreamer | stouset: no, you have to feed it factoids |
| 06:28.23 | maher | simonrvn: you can get an nslu2 for us$90 |
| 06:28.26 | stouset | jetscreamer: ah, and how is that done? |
| 06:28.31 | jetscreamer | well in it's present configuration |
| 06:28.34 | disasm | stouset: maybe it might be true ;-) |
| 06:28.40 | cafuego | Can someone look up 250.224.4.203.in-addr.arpa for me please? |
| 06:28.40 | simonrvn | wtf is an nslu2 ? |
| 06:28.43 | jetscreamer | dpkg, soutset is asking questions |
| 06:28.43 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 06:28.44 | maher | simonrvn: or the linksys g router for less |
| 06:28.49 | jetscreamer | !stouset |
| 06:28.52 | stouset | disasm: could be, but works great for me |
| 06:29.06 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 06:29.09 | stouset | jetscreamer: haha |
| 06:29.12 | jetscreamer | confilict? |
| 06:29.14 | stouset | !soutset |
| 06:29.14 | dpkg | it has been said that soutset is asking questions |
| 06:29.15 | simonrvn | cafuego: tyical APNIC crap |
| 06:29.18 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 06:29.20 | stouset | Typo :-) |
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| 06:29.28 | stouset | dpkg, gaim is a rockin' AIM client, despite what others might say |
| 06:29.29 | simonrvn | cafuego: stick it in hinfo |
| 06:29.29 | dpkg | ...but gaim is already something else... |
| 06:29.30 | disasm | stouset: try irssi, you'll never go back, keep it in a screen and attach from anywhere you have internet access and an ssh client |
| 06:29.32 | jetscreamer | !forget stouset |
| 06:29.32 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i didn't have anything called 'stouset' to forget |
| 06:29.32 | stouset | Damn. |
| 06:29.51 | jetscreamer | !forget soutset |
| 06:29.51 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i forgot soutset |
| 06:29.54 | jetscreamer | agh |
| 06:30.05 | stouset | disasm: I just can't get in the habit of using screen. And I already use gaim for everything else, so it's easiest just to use that. irssi looks nice, but I'm all about UI integration =P |
| 06:30.11 | stouset | !forget soutset |
| 06:30.12 | dpkg | stouset: i didn't have anything called 'soutset' to forget |
| 06:30.37 | gpm | !forget stouset |
| 06:30.38 | dpkg | gpm: i didn't have anything called 'stouset' to forget |
| 06:30.38 | jetscreamer | use gaim then |
| 06:30.45 | jetscreamer | i already got him to forget |
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| 06:30.51 | gpm | gaim is actually pretty shitty now that i try it out |
| 06:30.58 | jetscreamer | if you become unhappy with gaim, use something else |
| 06:31.04 | gpm | hahaha |
| 06:31.06 | stouset | gpm: it grows on you |
| 06:31.12 | stouset | gpm: I don't have a problem with it. |
| 06:31.13 | jetscreamer | irssi or xchat are good |
| 06:31.22 | disasm | s/g/n ;-) |
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| 06:31.56 | jetscreamer | !mirc |
| 06:31.56 | dpkg | from memory, mirc is http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html |
| 06:31.58 | stouset | jetscreamer: BitchX is teh best roflzlolol |
| 06:32.13 | jetscreamer | i like bitchx |
| 06:32.27 | stouset | jetscreamer: most here don't :-) |
| 06:32.27 | jetscreamer | where else can you get such cool quit msg's |
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| 06:32.36 | jetscreamer | yes i know |
| 06:32.40 | stouset | jetscreamer: fortune? =P |
| 06:32.48 | disasm | jetscreamer: add them to your irssi.conf |
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| 06:33.50 | disasm | jetscreamer: bitchx is pretty cool, i just got started with irssi, i guess the same goes for vim vs other editors, started with vim, never changed because it gets the job done |
| 06:33.51 | jetscreamer | why don't i have icons in kde 3.4 (by default i guess) |
| 06:34.09 | disasm | now kde on the other hand..... |
| 06:34.10 | jetscreamer | i use xchat for the same reasons |
| 06:34.16 | jetscreamer | and icewm |
| 06:34.44 | disasm | ice is cool, i like flux myself though, more customizable |
| 06:35.09 | sgeigerbot | ice is cool, flux is flexible. |
| 06:35.15 | sgeigerbot | ? |
| 06:35.15 | nagual | irssi is nice, unlike bx it has (mostly) nice defaults. panasonic should be kneecapped for making public away a default in bx. |
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| 06:35.20 | simonrvn | ok, let's set some time aside to piss off the mail users^w^w^w^wre-do the mail conf.... |
| 06:35.27 | jetscreamer | i like flux too, but something was wierd with it a year ago so i got off it |
| 06:35.45 | jetscreamer | or whenver it was i started doing debian |
| 06:36.05 | stouset | Doing Debian? You sick bastard. :-( |
| 06:36.08 | jetscreamer | nice themes though |
| 06:36.19 | nagual | never heard of debian does dallas? |
| 06:36.24 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 06:36.27 | stouset | nagual: rofl |
| 06:36.39 | sgeigerbot | Ah, good shit. |
| 06:36.50 | sgeigerbot | !do debian |
| 06:36.58 | stouset | !do me |
| 06:37.00 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 06:37.03 | stouset | woot. |
| 06:37.08 | Moonscope | once again, i would like to thank #debian for all its great help as always :) |
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| 06:37.21 | Moonscope | !do #debian |
| 06:37.27 | stouset | Moonscope: no problem, I enjoy taking credit when I haven't done anything |
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| 06:40.23 | mckillroy | Dang - how can I fix that: " drivers/built-in.o(.text+0x172f01): In function `tms380tr_bringup_diags': |
| 06:40.23 | mckillroy | undefined reference to `__bad_udelay" in a Kernel Compile ? |
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| 06:41.46 | simonrvn | first thing that comes to mind: forgot a dependency in your kernel config |
| 06:42.59 | mckillroy | I used xconfig and did not tweak anything manually .... |
| 06:43.22 | jetscreamer | getting xconfig to work is harder than compiling |
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| 06:43.54 | liable | mckillroy: if you didnt tweek anything, why use xconfig |
| 06:43.55 | simonrvn | please, do yourself a favour and drop xconfig, and use menuconfig |
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| 06:44.29 | jetscreamer | i tried x,g,and menu.. i like menu |
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| 06:44.54 | simonrvn | menu* just fricking works |
| 06:44.55 | nagual | hm, i wish there was some public config with all 2.6.* options enabled, so i could look up the options i need to add and then just add them to the end of my .config. |
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| 06:45.01 | kooldeb | hmmm ... I ran Kwifi manager a while ago, and now everytime I start or restart the system, I find it waiting for me , how can I prevent it from starting up again ? |
| 06:45.11 | mckillroy | liable: of course i configured within xconfig |
| 06:45.14 | jetscreamer | nagual: it's called /boot/config-blah |
| 06:45.23 | nagual | oh. oh lovely, thanks jetscreamer |
| 06:45.59 | jetscreamer | unless you didn't install a kernel-image-2.6 |
| 06:46.01 | mckillroy | IT seems for some reason it tried to integrate tokenring (which i didnt select) - time for soem reinstall |
| 06:47.24 | jetscreamer | wtf is 'recent' |
| 06:47.26 | simonrvn | like we give a crap =) |
| 06:47.45 | nagual | im looking for sd_mod and a few others (to get my usb disk working) but thats not in there. and yes, i do have a 2.6.8 .config in there (not that i use that any more) |
| 06:48.05 | furrywolf | dunno. my ATI calling card has been saying that exact message since I got it, about 3 years ago, and I've never heard a change... |
| 06:48.06 | jetscreamer | well actually,k that was sage advice carefully hidden as nonsense.... because config options change between versions |
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| 06:48.35 | simonrvn | damn, that went over my head. |
| 06:48.44 | simonrvn | jetscreamer++ |
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| 06:49.08 | bluefox83 | what should one do to set up a network card and such in a new debina install if they skipped the configuration of the network card during install? |
| 06:49.15 | bluefox83 | *debian |
| 06:49.18 | simonrvn | man interfaces |
| 06:49.21 | torc | how can i specify a secondary ethernet ip address with interfaces(5) ? |
| 06:49.41 | simonrvn | aliases |
| 06:49.55 | furrywolf | s/ati/mci/I need sleep. at least I got the I right. |
| 06:49.57 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep. :) |
| 06:50.08 | torc | simonrvn: dont see aliases in the man page :/ |
| 06:50.10 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 06:50.14 | torc | simonrvn: where are they? |
| 06:50.20 | simonrvn | se |
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| 06:50.22 | simonrvn | c |
| 06:50.45 | kooldeb | cherry tomatoes ... |
| 06:50.46 | furrywolf | cyas simonrvn |
| 06:50.56 | kooldeb | and pepsi |
| 06:51.04 | greister | torc:/etc/network/interface to find. |
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| 06:54.57 | simonrvn | torc: try here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html # i'm amazed it doesn't have IP aliasing in the man page... |
| 06:55.08 | simonrvn | /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces |
| 06:55.21 | torc | simonrvn: yeah, found it in the share/doc. thanks :) |
| 06:55.35 | torc | but there is some bug mentioned there. is it fixed already? |
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| 06:56.33 | _alt_ | G'day. |
| 06:56.51 | simonrvn | what bug? :) |
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| 06:57.24 | budluva | where would i find unrar? apt-cache search cant seem to find it, do i have to add some different apt sources to get unrar? |
| 06:57.28 | cafuego | How bloody typical. |
| 06:57.33 | caphuso | budluva: non-free |
| 06:57.34 | _alt_ | Anywho using testing mind checking if their (newest from apt-get) mailutils work? |
| 06:57.47 | sgeigerbot | !work |
| 06:57.47 | dpkg | well, work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-) |
| 06:57.55 | _alt_ | frm and mail stall at rt_sigsuspend for me. |
| 06:58.06 | simonrvn | _alt_: do you mind checking the BTS too while you're at it? |
| 06:58.12 | torc | simonrvn: ah, thats called a feature. nevermind ;) |
| 06:58.20 | _alt_ | simonrvn, BTS? |
| 06:58.51 | mckillroy | ? harden debian |
| 06:58.57 | kooldeb | is there the equivelant of "sleep" or "hibernate" under Debian |
| 06:59.00 | mckillroy | oops |
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| 06:59.43 | _alt_ | Ah, le bug tracking system? |
| 06:59.52 | sgeigerbot | oui |
| 07:00.08 | sgeigerbot | kooldeb: acpi |
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| 07:00.25 | sgeigerbot | !acpi |
| 07:00.25 | dpkg | well, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 07:00.52 | peanut | I just upgraded vsftpd, and it started the server (it wasn't running before). Do all Debian upgrades assumed that installed software is running? |
| 07:01.09 | simonrvn | @bts |
| 07:01.10 | ravenbird | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename . Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 07:01.15 | torc | ok, i reconfigured the network/interfaces, how do i restart it now, in order not to lost connectivity? |
| 07:01.16 | Solet | for multiple monitors, the 'screen "screenid" absolute x y' are x and y in pixels? |
| 07:01.18 | cafuego | peanut: Yes, in that they will shut it down, then upgrade, then start it. |
| 07:01.26 | torc | lose* |
| 07:01.27 | _alt_ | he |
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| 07:01.52 | _alt_ | The bts only has ancient bugs, this stopped working yesterday. |
| 07:01.53 | peanut | cafuego, ack. okay. something to watch for then. thanks |
| 07:01.56 | kooldeb | sgeigerbot: thanks |
| 07:02.02 | _alt_ | I'm guessing it's just my system, but I'd like to be sure. |
| 07:02.09 | cafuego | i think they took over this company's IP block management and failed to carry over the DNS entries. |
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| 07:02.54 | yxa | is it possible to configure sshd to accept password auth for the local subnet and PKI for foreign IPs? |
| 07:03.13 | cafuego | yxa: of course. |
| 07:03.44 | _alt_ | So, no-one here is running testing? |
| 07:04.08 | yxa | cafuego how do i do that? in sshd_config, all i see is PasswordAuthentication Yes |
| 07:04.21 | cafuego | yxa: *how* is another matter. |
| 07:04.23 | atrus | torc: if you're just bringing up an additional interface, you can just run 'ifup <interface>' |
| 07:04.27 | carnage | is there any script that configures sources.list with a sweet list of mirrors?... adding sites one by one seems lame |
| 07:04.29 | peanut | _alt_, I am. |
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| 07:04.35 | _alt_ | peanut, your mailutils working fine? |
| 07:04.49 | _alt_ | ..and have you apt-get upgraded within 48 hours? |
| 07:05.33 | torc | atrus: ok, its working. but how do i remove it now? |
| 07:05.42 | cafuego | yxa: ok, well, maybe you can't. |
| 07:05.46 | peanut | _alt_, ah i see your question now. I don't have mailutils installed, just postfix |
| 07:05.51 | atrus | torc: 'ifdown <interface>' |
| 07:05.55 | torc | atrus: ifdown <iface>, but is it really removed or just hidden? |
| 07:06.04 | _alt_ | peanut, k, thanks anyway. |
| 07:06.09 | yxa | cafuego for real? |
| 07:06.12 | peanut | _alt_, sorry I couldnt help |
| 07:06.21 | atrus | torc: well it's shut off. no traffic goes to or from it. |
| 07:06.33 | torc | atrus: can i delete it somehow? |
| 07:06.49 | atrus | torc: well you can remove it from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:07.06 | torc | atrus: is it kept somewhere in the kernel? |
| 07:07.30 | torc | or those ":" interfaces are completely dynamic? |
| 07:07.53 | atrus | torc: not per se, no. if the module is still loaded, the kernel still knows about the card, but not about the routing information afaik. |
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| 07:08.14 | torc | atrus: ah, ok. so its safe then. |
| 07:08.17 | torc | atrus: thanks :) |
| 07:08.26 | budluva | how would i add this non-free mirror to my sources.list ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/debian/pool/non-free/ something like this....deb ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/debian/ sarge/non-free non-free |
| 07:08.43 | atrus | torc: you can always run 'ifconfig' to see what interfaces are up. |
| 07:08.51 | mckillroy | Can it be, that "make xconfig" is not always reliably storing the config? When I saved a config tons of options I did nopt select before were enabled during the compile. |
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| 07:09.42 | simonrvn | this is why you use menuconfig |
| 07:09.47 | atrus | budluva: well, to quote my own sources,list: deb ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 07:10.10 | budluva | cool, thanks |
| 07:10.11 | Solet | grrr why wont my mouse move off of my primary screen with multiple monitors |
| 07:10.31 | atrus | budluva: ucalgary is fast btw, but not what i'd call highly reliable :) |
| 07:10.50 | ACEa_ | is the gcc-4.0 package in experimental from the final release of gcc-4.0 ? |
| 07:10.51 | simonrvn | works for certain stuff though |
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| 07:11.36 | budluva | ya i get good speeds from ucgy |
| 07:12.26 | Gumby | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:13.23 | simonrvn | /etc/hosts isn't propagated |
| 07:14.28 | atrus | simonrvn: are you sure dnsmasq doesn't get its entries from there? it's always seemed to here |
| 07:14.55 | simonrvn | do you know what i mean by propagated? |
| 07:15.48 | cafuego | taking cuttinsg and putting them in soil? |
| 07:15.58 | atrus | simonrvn: i'm not sure :) as in being copied to another dns server? |
| 07:16.47 | simonrvn | then don't make comments about stuff you know nothing about. it means it isn't "sent out" in the DNS |
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| 07:18.10 | simonrvn | goddamn dshield list mail gets sent out like once a fucking day.... |
| 07:18.25 | atrus | i'm not sure where that would cause linux clients to see the right addresses without the windows clients seeing them. |
| 07:18.26 | ircdevil | møjn |
| 07:19.34 | atrus | maybe i misunderstood the description though. |
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| 07:20.20 | simonrvn | settting up local dns would help. i don't know what dnsmasq does. i suspect it serves as a local dns cacher. |
| 07:21.07 | budluva | atrus, do you have a deb-src line with that? |
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| 07:21.36 | atrus | simonrvn: it doesn't really cache. basically it's just a simple simple dns server that's designed to run on a NAT machine. |
| 07:21.48 | atrus | budluva: yeah, that was straight out of mine. why? |
| 07:21.56 | ircdevil | i have two speed critical routines i would like to speed up. especially the latter which is twice as slow as the first one. ideas? http://130.226.106.174/~paste/cgi-bin/1114586792.html |
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| 07:22.15 | budluva | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca_mirror_debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 07:22.24 | Rydekull | hmm, is there anyone that has a good way to find out what process that edits a file? :/ |
| 07:22.29 | budluva | apt-cache search unrar returns that line above |
| 07:22.36 | dondelelcaro | budluva: that's just a warning. No biggie. |
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| 07:23.05 | dondelelcaro | Rydekull: lsof when the file is being edited will give you an idea... |
| 07:23.09 | budluva | ok, but apt-cache search unrar still doesnt show up, even after adding a non-free source |
| 07:23.19 | simonrvn | atrus: ah. might as well set up a real dns server then... |
| 07:23.20 | ircdevil | Rydekull: fuser |
| 07:23.25 | dondelelcaro | budluva: have you run apt-get update; first? |
| 07:23.42 | ircdevil | oh, damn it. wrong chan :o) |
| 07:23.54 | Rydekull | ircdevil: :D |
| 07:24.05 | atrus | simonrvn: dnsmasq is ludicrously easy to set up though. pretty much just works out-of-the-box. |
| 07:24.16 | Rydekull | dondelelcaro: err, well, I need to catch it *when* it edits it in someway then, right? |
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| 07:24.47 | budluva | dondelelcaro, ahh there seemed to be an error in my source.list when i added it |
| 07:24.51 | ACEa_ | what apt-source should I add to source-list to get gcc-4.0 ? |
| 07:25.06 | Rydekull | dondelelcaro: since well, I dont really have much time to catch it on since it goes so quick <g> |
| 07:25.09 | budluva | thanks dondelelcaro its workin now |
| 07:25.28 | dondelelcaro | Rydekull: then try making it immutable, and see what breaks. |
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| 07:25.52 | jk- | anyone know how to tell dpkg-buildpackage to run a parallel make ? (ie make -j<n>) |
| 07:25.56 | Rydekull | dondelelcaro: immutable? |
| 07:26.08 | atrus | simonrvn: it also can automatically do things like tying dhcp leases to dns entries on the fly. |
| 07:26.14 | dondelelcaro | Rydekull: man chattr |
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| 07:26.49 | Rydekull | dondelelcaro: oh, you meant that :) |
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| 07:27.02 | ircbot_ | dlink wireless routers any good |
| 07:27.03 | cafuego | ACEa_: Why do you think you need gcc 4.0? |
| 07:27.03 | trend | what is the command to clear out a file.. but leave it intack? |
| 07:27.04 | ircbot_ | ? |
| 07:27.11 | cafuego | ircbot_: mine's nice. |
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| 07:27.29 | ircbot_ | cafuego: cool... thinking about ordering one... so i don't have to plug up my laptop all the time |
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| 07:27.31 | vulcnewbie | hi. does anyone have an idea of how to find the list of drivers compiled into the current kernel |
| 07:27.31 | cafuego | trend: echo |
| 07:27.51 | trend | hmm |
| 07:27.56 | trend | how would you use echo to do tht? |
| 07:27.58 | cafuego | ircbot_: I have a DSL 604+ (ADSL1 modem plus 802.11b) |
| 07:27.59 | jk- | vulcnewbie: zless /proc/config.gz ? |
| 07:28.02 | cafuego | trend: echo > file |
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| 07:28.09 | jk- | echo -n > file |
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| 07:28.22 | trend | ahhh yes! |
| 07:28.23 | trend | thanks |
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| 07:28.48 | vulcnewbie | jk: i dont have config.gz in /proc |
| 07:29.18 | jk- | vulc: ok, try less /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 07:29.20 | vulcnewbie | i dont have a .config file i can look at i.e the src. |
| 07:29.25 | tracer | what is the latest kernel version for the intel p4? 2.6.8-2-686? (stable or testing) |
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| 07:29.44 | jk- | vulcnewbie: is your kernel from a debian package ? |
| 07:29.51 | vulcnewbie | ok. i have that. thanks. but is there a way to do this using "strings" or somesuch? |
| 07:29.53 | ACEa_ | cafuego: because I do.. |
| 07:30.33 | vulcnewbie | no |
| 07:31.00 | ircbot_ | http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833127143 that look like an okay investment? |
| 07:31.52 | vulcnewbie | i dnt know how its done in linux but in freebsd for example iirc you can do a strings /kernel | grep ___ |
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| 07:32.18 | jk- | yeah, you can do that, but it's not going to be very accurate if you're checking for something like 'sg' :) |
| 07:32.43 | vulcnewbie | it doesnt work though on my linux vmlinuz file. |
| 07:33.14 | jk- | ok, you'll need to extract the gzipped (or bzip2ed) kernel image if you're using a vmlinuz |
| 07:33.33 | vulcnewbie | how do i do that? |
| 07:33.48 | jk- | you can't use proc instead? grep ... /proc/kallsyms ? |
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| 07:34.09 | xLobeznox | how can I see codepages supported in my kernel now? |
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| 07:34.44 | Codename_V | hey there. just wondering, if I have an opteron does apt get handle multilib stuff ok? meaning if I want to put some 64 bit and 32 bit apps togehter on the same system, does that work? |
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| 07:35.16 | bob2 | sure |
| 07:35.20 | bob2 | but the package system doesn't |
| 07:35.40 | Clau_di | HOla |
| 07:35.42 | jk- | vulcnewbie: objcopy |
| 07:35.46 | OmegaNine | Codename_V, I dont see why not. Use apt-cache to get the files. The package manager might get pissy about it though |
| 07:36.15 | Clau_di | Alguien sabe espanol??? |
| 07:36.25 | vulcnewbie | ok |
| 07:36.28 | SlayerXP | !es |
| 07:36.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:36.43 | PerfDave | Codename_V: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 07:37.09 | Clau_di | OK dpkg, Gracias |
| 07:37.15 | Codename_V | PerfDave: thanks |
| 07:37.22 | PerfDave | Codename_V: The easiest thing to do is to either have a 32 bit system with a 64 bit chroot (which is what I have) or a 64 bit system with a 32 bit chroot. |
| 07:37.36 | SlayerXP | i just use 64 bit |
| 07:37.44 | SlayerXP | cba with multilib nonsense |
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| 07:38.10 | guest | hi folks, in konqueror, how to mark files consecutively and non-consecutively for further edit commands? |
| 07:38.24 | jk- | ctrl and shift clicking |
| 07:38.25 | SlayerXP | guest: #kde |
| 07:38.26 | Codename_V | SlayerXP: yeah, but then some stuff wont work, like flash on fireforx for instance. |
| 07:38.35 | SlayerXP | Codename_V: you say that like it's a bad thing |
| 07:38.55 | PerfDave | This is what happens when you run non-free software ;) |
| 07:39.36 | SlayerXP | 64 bit computers and operating systems have been around for a while, if companys can't keep up, I can;'t be bothered using their stuff |
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| 07:40.18 | Codename_V | 64 bit pcs are pretty new actually |
| 07:40.39 | valdyn | Codename_V: 10 years |
| 07:40.40 | PerfDave | Codename_V: 64 bit desktop machines are well over 10 years old. |
| 07:40.43 | fatal_ | I have one, that means they must be old.. ;) |
| 07:41.24 | Codename_V | yeah, but you're talking alphas or something, crazy expensive workstations or whatever at the time. sure, but that's not pc's really I'm thinking... |
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| 07:42.09 | PerfDave | Codename_V: No, quite affordable desktop systems. |
| 07:42.22 | PerfDave | Codename_V: There's more to life than x86 ;) |
| 07:42.26 | beeblebrox87 | why would you want flash anyway? |
| 07:42.32 | Codename_V | psh, affordable, says you |
| 07:42.39 | OmegaNine | Any programers here? |
| 07:42.52 | valdyn | !tell OmegaNine about ask |
| 07:42.55 | PerfDave | Codename_V: Yeah, because Opterons are so cheap :) |
| 07:43.23 | OmegaNine | valdyn, :-P ok ok, ill be good |
| 07:43.26 | Codename_V | PerfDave: considering amd donated a bunch of them to my work, yeah. =) |
| 07:43.34 | beeblebrox87 | openoffice.org is "Free", but requires multilib on amd64 |
| 07:44.00 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: But nobody's dependent on any one vendor to fix that. |
| 07:44.01 | DavidS | I'm trying to find out whether current Veritas Netbackup client and servers can be used on Debian (sarge). Any pointers? google was not very helpful and Veritas .. well forget it ... |
| 07:44.05 | bob2 | that's because it's poorly written |
| 07:44.15 | bob2 | DavidS: ask veritas |
| 07:44.27 | PerfDave | Codename_V: I'm pretty sure that you could pick up a 64-bit desktop machine in 1995 for an equivalent price you'd pay for an Opteron today. |
| 07:44.28 | OmegaNine | So to any programers. - - I want to learn to code, i have read the first 100 pages fo soooo many books. what would you say would be the best lang to learn first? |
| 07:44.29 | bob2 | DavidS: if they say no, your warranty etc is void anyway |
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| 07:44.35 | bob2 | OmegaNine: python |
| 07:44.39 | DavidS | bob2: Veritas says: "Debian Linux (3.0; ia32): Client; Note: Next Major release following NetBackup? 5.0 will not support any version of this OS" |
| 07:44.47 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: well they are, pretty much, because the openoffice.org source is such a mess there are only a handful of people in the world who can even be bothered to compile it, much less patch it |
| 07:44.48 | PerfDave | OmegaNine: Objective-C or C++ |
| 07:44.59 | beeblebrox87 | well, i don't know if it's messy, but it's bloated |
| 07:45.03 | bob2 | C++ is a terrible first language |
| 07:45.06 | DavidS | bob2: I don't care about certification, I want to know whether it runs :) |
| 07:45.12 | valdyn | Codename_V: i use 2 parallel debian installs and chroot from the 64 bit one into the 32 bit one, thatworks flawless |
| 07:45.19 | bob2 | DavidS: if it runs on any linux, it will probably run on sarge |
| 07:45.25 | PerfDave | C++ is a great first language. Teaches you about using standard libraries, object orientation, runs on everything :) |
| 07:45.26 | beeblebrox87 | OmegaNine: perl |
| 07:45.27 | Codename_V | PerfDave: well I beg to differ. as long as I've been shopping around, brand new sun machines, sgi machines, aix machines, what have you, they'be been 10 thousand bucks or so for something decent |
| 07:45.38 | OmegaNine | LOL...OK...Now what? |
| 07:45.48 | bob2 | PerfDave: huge amount of boilerplate, complicated, requires compilation |
| 07:45.52 | bob2 | OmegaNine: python, trust me |
| 07:45.54 | DavidS | bob2: I am already as far as that. It'd be great to hear from someone who does though. |
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| 07:46.04 | PerfDave | bob2: Onoz, it requires compilation!!11! |
| 07:46.08 | beeblebrox87 | Codename_V: alphas were reasonable for a while |
| 07:46.20 | bob2 | PerfDave: er? |
| 07:46.35 | guest | jk-: ok, click, shift-key and drag mouse for consecutive; click, ctrl-key and mouse click for non-consecutive. works fine, thanks. |
| 07:46.36 | simonrvn | bob2: that's on t.v., silly |
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| 07:47.05 | PerfDave | Learning C++ will help you with lots of other languages, since most have C-like syntax. Learning Python won't because it's written for noddy programmers who don't know what they're doing. |
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| 07:47.24 | bob2 | blah blah blah |
| 07:47.29 | bob2 | python is an excellent language |
| 07:47.30 | Rydekull | PerfDave: err, I can agree with the first part, but you can forget about the second part |
| 07:47.34 | Rydekull | bob2: indeed |
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| 07:47.45 | beeblebrox87 | yeah C++ is probably a good idea because after that everything else seems beautiful and elegant |
| 07:47.53 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:47.55 | simonrvn | haha |
| 07:47.57 | OmegaNine | OK i will flip a coin. |
| 07:47.58 | beeblebrox87 | so you'll find it much easier to learn others |
| 07:48.03 | denial | can anyone here help me with a dual head setup using the nvidia driver? |
| 07:48.10 | Codename_V | PerfDave: psh, that's another point I beg to differ on. python isn't for programmer who don't know what they're doing, but rather for programmers who do know what they're doing and don't want to do it the hard way |
| 07:48.11 | Tabitha | so i want to do a crazy thing.. :) Long ago, I compiled a package myself and installed it. I no longer have the deb packages but I have held the package and would now like to upgrade it. Is there a way I can make a backup of the installed packages in the event that the upgrade totally breaks things? (this is debian woody) |
| 07:48.27 | Rydekull | OmegaNine: python, honestly i'd try them all a little and look what feels best :) |
| 07:48.30 | Tabitha | (I would like to upgrade to the lastest security release) |
| 07:49.02 | beeblebrox87 | Codename_V: at the moment, OmegaNine doesn't know what he's doing. python probably isn't the best way for him to find out. |
| 07:49.15 | bob2 | Tabitha: dpkg-repack |
| 07:49.16 | PerfDave | Codename_V: Nah, you're thinking of Perl ;) |
| 07:49.22 | OmegaNine | Rydekull, like I said I have been threw 100-200 pages of C++ and Java, but I want something that is a "learningers" lang. |
| 07:49.23 | simonrvn | i agree with Rydekull, trying them all out will give you a feel for each, then you can settle down to a few (or all if you like ;) |
| 07:49.41 | Rydekull | OmegaNine: you can only find something you feel comfortable with |
| 07:49.49 | Rydekull | OmegaNine: or rather, not so uncomfortable with :P |
| 07:49.55 | OmegaNine | he he and im tired of hearing how a cat = an objet ;-P |
| 07:50.03 | Tabitha | bob2: installing now. |
| 07:50.19 | denial | I have dual head running on a Nvidia fx5200. Everything is working, except that the taskbar, etc, are all on the (older, fuzzier) right hand screen. I can make the screens relate using RightOf, but is there a way to get the taskbar etc, on to the screen I want? |
| 07:50.23 | beeblebrox87 | be careful with telling him to flip a coin, it might come up for qbasic |
| 07:50.25 | Codename_V | beeblebrox87: sure, I'd go with those mit books if you're really serious. rethinking cs 101 to start, a java book. and after that, structure and interpretation of programming langauges or whatever, a scheme book. if you can tackle those two, you're pretty much set for any langauge I think. |
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| 07:51.03 | Codename_V | both free online by the way |
| 07:51.04 | beeblebrox87 | sounds fun |
| 07:51.21 | OmegaNine | LOL @ beeblebrox87 |
| 07:51.26 | Tabitha | bob2: fantastic. Looks like exactly what I want. Thanks! |
| 07:51.32 | Solet | whats the command to reconfigure the xf86config-4 using dpkg? |
| 07:51.33 | Rydekull | simonrvn: I tested them all and found I really dislike programming and learned it to be able to debug the problems I get :P |
| 07:51.40 | Solet | i cant remember it cause i never use it |
| 07:51.43 | Tabitha | n |
| 07:51.50 | bob2 | Solet: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:51.55 | Solet | thx |
| 07:51.55 | beeblebrox87 | what happened to the 64bit discussion, that was more interesting |
| 07:52.00 | OmegaNine | Python is the one that binds to GTK well isnt it? |
| 07:52.11 | simonrvn | sure. that's how i ended up dipping my toes in a few languages... trying to debug things |
| 07:52.14 | Rydekull | OmegaNine: python can do anything :) |
| 07:52.25 | OmegaNine | AH |
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| 07:52.35 | lestest | hi there ... I'm experiencing problems with a machine, it crashes under an application run and I don't know why how can I monitor its status in such a way to know what did make it crash?? |
| 07:52.54 | OmegaNine | Rydekull, can you sughest a book? |
| 07:53.02 | simonrvn | woops |
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| 07:53.07 | Rydekull | OmegaNine: www.python.org :) |
| 07:53.08 | streuner | haha |
| 07:53.09 | mckillroy | How do I recompile my Debian system from scratch ? Is there a good Howto ? |
| 07:53.14 | OmegaNine | LOL |
| 07:53.15 | bob2 | mckillroy: why? |
| 07:53.24 | Rydekull | OmegaNine: free online documentation, else, search for dive into python |
| 07:53.37 | mckillroy | For K7 optimization and ssp stuff |
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| 07:53.53 | Rydekull | OmegaNine: dive into python can be a bit hard if you arent used to programming though |
| 07:53.53 | simonrvn | dive into python is in debian |
| 07:54.06 | valdyn | mckillroy: you dont do it, simply |
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| 07:54.38 | mckillroy | valdyn : why not ? |
| 07:54.40 | OmegaNine | I dont know, but printf ("hello world' and cout >> "Hello World" is getting abit old |
| 07:54.44 | bob2 | mckillroy: it's hard and pointless |
| 07:54.45 | brad | if i "apt-get install" a program thats already installed, will it "update"? |
| 07:54.54 | valdyn | mckillroy: not worth the effort. |
| 07:54.57 | bob2 | brad: if a newer version is available, yes |
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| 07:55.19 | brad | ok, its just that i can't "apt-get upgrade" atm |
| 07:55.51 | OmegaNine | If I apt-get upgrade will t upgrade everything or just a select list? |
| 07:56.04 | mckillroy | valdyn and bob2: So Couldn't I speed up and security enhance my system this way ? Especially Services. |
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| 07:56.30 | beeblebrox87 | mckillroy: what on earth would it have to do with security? |
| 07:56.37 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 07:56.51 | Rydekull | OmegaNine: everything that needs to be updated, id you have run apt-get update before that is :P |
| 07:56.56 | bob2 | OmegaNine: the apt-get manpage explains what it does |
| 07:56.59 | mckillroy | beeblebrox87: using a hardened toolchain |
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| 07:57.16 | iLLf8d | good evening all |
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| 07:58.00 | OmegaNine | I did, it updated apt-get, but im running 2.4.27 and i thought it would upgrade my kernel....I was wrong. |
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| 07:59.13 | beeblebrox87 | mckillroy: if you want to compile a particular package from source, "apt-get source -b $package" and then "dpkg -i $resulting_deb.deb" |
| 07:59.22 | bob2 | mckillroy: http://www.steve.org.uk/Software/debian-builder/ |
| 07:59.26 | bob2 | if you really care |
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| 08:01.19 | beeblebrox87 | mckillroy: if you want to rebuild a bunch of packages from source, bob2's link apparently automates the process described above |
| 08:01.29 | mckillroy | looks good |
| 08:01.29 | beeblebrox87 | mckillroy: if you want to rebuild everything from source, go to gentoo.org |
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| 08:05.04 | OmegaNine | OK guys thanks for all the help, I am going to crash though. I will hang around incase someone has a none debian question I can answer... |
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| 08:09.10 | goodboy | Hi, anyone use cacti? can someone walk me thru on how to add a graph in. I added the devices. but the graph never show up. can someone please help me with the grpah.. thanks!!. please PM ME.. if you are kind enough.. |
| 08:09.38 | sonderblade | anyone know of a good, fast textbased icq client? |
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| 08:09.47 | brendon_ | goodboy: would you like to salivate :) |
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| 08:10.06 | brendon_ | goodboy: http://prelude.brendon.com/~brendon/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=2&leaf_id=10 |
| 08:10.11 | DavidS | sonderblade: some of my frients use centericq |
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| 08:10.32 | goodboy | yes brendon.. how u get the graph in... |
| 08:10.34 | goodboy | can u show me.. |
| 08:10.38 | brendon_ | goodboy: did you try the tutorial on their website |
| 08:10.51 | goodboy | where? |
| 08:10.54 | goodboy | let me seee |
| 08:10.59 | goodboy | brendon i added the devies.. |
| 08:11.01 | goodboy | it picked it up |
| 08:11.07 | goodboy | then i choose create Graph |
| 08:11.09 | brendon_ | i'm particularly proud of the QoS graph .heh |
| 08:11.12 | goodboy | then i go view graph no pic :( |
| 08:11.13 | iLLf8d | lo all anyone know of any debian specific apache2 docs (ie creating/overriding virtual hosts the debian way)? |
| 08:11.18 | brendon_ | hm |
| 08:11.25 | goodboy | the graph is there |
| 08:11.29 | goodboy | but the pic is not showing up |
| 08:11.36 | brendon_ | soounds like no data is being collected |
| 08:11.43 | brendon_ | i would goto setup and bump up the debug |
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| 08:12.33 | goodboy | i see |
| 08:12.39 | goodboy | brendon. how do u get a MIB file in there? |
| 08:12.51 | goodboy | well damn. i can't even get a regular snmp on my cisco switch :) |
| 08:12.54 | goodboy | hhahahahah |
| 08:13.04 | brendon_ | goodboy: ya. sounds like you found your probelm |
| 08:13.16 | goodboy | no |
| 08:13.19 | goodboy | can't find my problems.. |
| 08:13.21 | Tabitha | yet one more question--how can I find out the version of a package that's installed |
| 08:13.28 | brendon_ | can you snmpwalk your cisco switch? |
| 08:13.33 | bob2 | Tabitha: dpkg -l foo |
| 08:13.38 | goodboy | yes i can.. |
| 08:13.55 | goodboy | brendon. i did it with MRTG |
| 08:13.58 | goodboy | it picked it up fine with graph |
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| 08:14.20 | goodboy | brendon. its some thing i forgot to do in cacti i know it |
| 08:14.22 | brendon_ | do you have php-snmp lib installed? |
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| 08:14.33 | Tabitha | bob2: Thanks very much! it appears that everything is still working and I haven't broken e-mail beyond recognition :D I appreciate your help! |
| 08:14.40 | goodboy | brendon. humm. how do i find out? |
| 08:14.45 | goodboy | i believe i do.. |
| 08:14.53 | brendon_ | er ..in debian i just dpkg -l|grep php5-snmp |
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| 08:15.21 | goodboy | humm.. php4-snmp is not in here |
| 08:15.22 | goodboy | wierd.. |
| 08:15.23 | brendon_ | you can you a command line or php lib for snmp queries. i think they recommend using snmp v1 w/php-snmp |
| 08:15.28 | adrian_ | is there here someone from mexico? |
| 08:15.47 | streuner | adrian_: why? |
| 08:16.09 | goodboy | brendon.. should i Use old UCD SNMP instead of the new NET SNMP? |
| 08:16.09 | brendon_ | adrian_: que pasa! |
| 08:16.11 | streuner | if you need help in spanish, join #debian-es |
| 08:16.18 | brendon_ | sorry. thats the extent of my espanol |
| 08:16.22 | brendon_ | heh |
| 08:16.36 | goodboy | brendon.. which one?? |
| 08:16.38 | brendon_ | i use net snmp packages |
| 08:16.47 | adrian_ | lo q pasa es q mi enguage es espanol, puedo explicarme mejor |
| 08:16.52 | goodboy | ok installing.. |
| 08:16.58 | simonrvn | !es |
| 08:16.58 | goodboy | brendon. i choose the snmp V2 |
| 08:16.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:17.00 | streuner | !es |
| 08:17.04 | adrian_ | estoy en canada ahorita aprendiendo ingles, apenas llevo 2 meses |
| 08:17.05 | goodboy | is that ok?? |
| 08:17.05 | brendon_ | but not for cacti. you should be able to though |
| 08:17.14 | brendon_ | something about language is spanish ...uhh |
| 08:17.29 | goodboy | brendon .. log in to my cacti yeah |
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| 08:17.34 | goodboy | and try to setup one for me yeah |
| 08:17.39 | goodboy | i'm using the CACTID also |
| 08:17.44 | goodboy | are u using CACTID? |
| 08:17.45 | rage | Does anyone here know of an intelligent daemon of some sort I can use to run apache and openssh on the same port? |
| 08:17.50 | adrian_ | i think you speak spanish, no? |
| 08:17.52 | brendon_ | goodboy: nope. don't use cactid |
| 08:17.58 | goodboy | brendon why not? |
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| 08:18.06 | adrian_ | ok |
| 08:18.13 | adrian_ | entonces hablemos en espanol |
| 08:18.15 | brendon_ | goodboy: why make my life more difficult? |
| 08:18.21 | tzafrir | rage, on the same port? |
| 08:18.24 | goodboy | i installed it fine |
| 08:18.25 | adrian_ | de donde eres? |
| 08:18.27 | goodboy | it work perfect!! |
| 08:18.28 | brendon_ | goodboy: cactid is only necessary if you have LOTS of devices |
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| 08:18.39 | brendon_ | goodboy: and how many graphs do you have? |
| 08:18.40 | rage | tzafrir: yeah, everything except port 80 is blocked by my hosting provider |
| 08:18.42 | brendon_ | heh |
| 08:18.50 | goodboy | i got alot!! |
| 08:18.53 | rage | well, incoming :-) |
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| 08:18.59 | akki^uni | hello |
| 08:18.59 | tzafrir | rage, nowdays people try to work around firewalls by tunneling just about anything on top of http. ssh included. |
| 08:19.01 | brendon_ | ...of empty ones. |
| 08:19.03 | goodboy | over 120 PORTS to monitor |
| 08:19.06 | brendon_ | i would try w/o cactid first. |
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| 08:19.15 | beeblebrox87 | adrian_: nosotros no hablan espanol. usen #debian-es. |
| 08:19.18 | brendon_ | 120 ports is not very much. |
| 08:19.27 | beeblebrox87 | s/hablan/hablamos/; |
| 08:19.28 | rage | tzafrir: hrmmm, ssh tunneled in http, :-) |
| 08:19.31 | adrian_ | ok |
| 08:19.31 | brendon_ | especially if they are in one switch :) |
| 08:19.40 | adrian_ | so i have to talk in english |
| 08:19.40 | goodboy | brendon.. |
| 08:19.44 | adrian_ | im sorry |
| 08:19.48 | streuner | Guerin: at work? |
| 08:19.49 | tzafrir | rage, IIRC putty supports such a thing. |
| 08:19.49 | goodboy | can u log into my cacti |
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| 08:19.58 | brendon_ | sure. i'll see what i can see |
| 08:20.02 | goodboy | thx |
| 08:20.03 | adrian_ | i have a quiestion |
| 08:20.05 | goodboy | pm me plz |
| 08:20.13 | akki^uni | i've got a question. How can I change my network settings with debian ? -> plz /query akki^uni |
| 08:20.16 | streuner | !msg me |
| 08:20.17 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg streuner. |
| 08:20.17 | Guerin | streuner: negatory |
| 08:20.19 | mngrif | is there a package i can apt-get to get java going in firefox? |
| 08:20.24 | adrian_ | my distro is ubuntu now, but i prefer debian, my problem is my hardware in debian |
| 08:20.34 | rage | mmmm, so it does |
| 08:20.34 | Guerin | streuner: I got a tv adaptor box and it owns |
| 08:20.38 | mngrif | i'm about to try the stuff listed in the debian java faq, but i don't want to hose things if there's a better way |
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| 08:20.46 | streuner | Guerin: hm |
| 08:20.51 | Guerin | mngrif: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 08:20.57 | mngrif | Guerin: ty |
| 08:20.59 | umbop | hmm could someone help me with qmail, i have a load of mail in the queue as abc-user@domain.com but yet in the assign file i have =abc-user:user:uid:uid:/path/to/pop/bobx/user::: and it's nto going in |
| 08:21.01 | streuner | adrian_: troll somewhere else |
| 08:21.10 | Guerin | umbop: #qmail |
| 08:21.14 | akki^uni | can anybody help me with the networksettings |
| 08:21.18 | adrian_ | mmm i have to learn english first, im sorry, im 17 years old |
| 08:21.28 | Guerin | akki^uni: man interfaces can |
| 08:21.28 | streuner | akki^uni: just ask |
| 08:21.47 | umbop | Guerin: i'm in there but noone responds |
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| 08:22.09 | akki^uni | @streuner how can i change my internet btw networksettings |
| 08:22.24 | streuner | akki^uni: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:22.32 | streuner | akki^uni: using DHCP? |
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| 08:22.49 | akki^uni | @streuner no only router |
| 08:23.08 | simonrvn | please don't do the @ stuff, that's one of the bots' trigger |
| 08:23.19 | adrian_ | but i love the computers, i know about programming a little bit of perl,python,vb,html,java,c,php,etc...... but i need to know to use perfectly linux first, i would like that, what do you recommend for me? |
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| 08:23.46 | liable | adrian_: if your hardware works in ubuntu, then it should work in debian, you just may have to set it up yourself (or install the drivers) |
| 08:23.46 | Guerin | you probably don't even have to do that |
| 08:24.00 | Guerin | i don't think ubuntu's hardware detection is much different to sarge's |
| 08:24.01 | adrian_ | yes buddy |
| 08:24.07 | adrian_ | but |
| 08:24.32 | adrian_ | i dont feel good, cause i need firts to know to use linux very well |
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| 08:25.04 | liable | adrian_: install it then and you will learn |
| 08:25.16 | adrian_ | im 17 years old, i learn alone is the problem |
| 08:25.38 | simonrvn | that's not a problem, unless you think of it as such |
| 08:25.42 | adrian_ | ok friend, so i gotta install drivers first? |
| 08:25.43 | akki^uni | @streuner ok well i'm here |
| 08:25.50 | liable | adrian_: if you have internet acces, you should do ok |
| 08:25.56 | adrian_ | i tried that but it was difficult, i dont know why |
| 08:26.04 | adrian_ | i need to learn more about linux |
| 08:26.08 | akki^uni | @streuner do we can write ger her ? no i think, or? |
| 08:26.27 | streuner | akki^uni: no, keep th convo in english, please. |
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| 08:27.11 | akki^uni | @streuner can you spend some minutes on my prob ? |
| 08:27.28 | adrian_ | whats your problem akki? |
| 08:27.41 | akki^uni | @streuner i have serveral |
| 08:27.41 | adrian_ | about what? |
| 08:27.41 | akki^uni | :> |
| 08:27.43 | Ferret | Hmm, seems to be a fad in IRC client quit messages to put the client down in some way... |
| 08:27.46 | streuner | akki^uni: i told you, just read man interfaces and /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 08:28.14 | adrian_ | what do you want to do akki? |
| 08:28.15 | akki^uni | @streuner that isn'T all |
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| 08:28.20 | akki^uni | ok |
| 08:28.31 | valdyn | akki^uni: stop using the @ |
| 08:28.35 | akki^uni | how can i get usb support (mice) |
| 08:28.48 | akki^uni | oki valdyn |
| 08:28.51 | streuner | akki^uni: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 08:29.07 | simonrvn | gonna fuck up my bot if you keep using that '@' |
| 08:29.09 | streuner | akki^uni: apt-get remove udev, if you it installed |
| 08:29.37 | streuner | akki^uni: have* |
| 08:29.59 | streuner | akki^uni: In IRC you don't use '@' to adress people... |
| 08:30.06 | adrian_ | streuner... fucking windows, now i wanna get a good knowledge about linux... but i learn alone, what do you recommend for me? |
| 08:30.17 | stranger | I am having problems when viewing video clips, the display is full of colors and nothing to see.. I tried this in mplayer, xine and totem.. |
| 08:30.39 | Guerin | stranger: any random clip, or just some? |
| 08:30.58 | akki^uni | okay ty streune ... that with the "@" i don't know i don't do that again :p |
| 08:30.59 | valdyn | adrian_: this is a huge area, what exactly do you want to learn about? unix commands? |
| 08:31.03 | stranger | no some of them. I think it is codec issue |
| 08:31.14 | Guerin | stranger: which? |
| 08:31.16 | streuner | adrian_: install Debian and read docs |
| 08:31.22 | stranger | Guerin, but I don't know what codec they use |
| 08:31.32 | Guerin | stranger: mplayer should give you a ton of information about codecs as it tries to play. |
| 08:31.42 | akki^uni | okay ty streuner ... that with the "@" i don't know i don't do that again :p |
| 08:31.52 | stranger | Guerin, I will try, thanks |
| 08:32.01 | sparr_ | how can i stop famd from using 80% of my CPU when im doing heavy disk writing? |
| 08:32.19 | simonrvn | don't run it? |
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| 08:32.32 | adrian_ | thanks a lot |
| 08:32.34 | valdyn | sparr_: do you use kde? |
| 08:32.45 | sparr_ | valdyn: no |
| 08:32.49 | sparr_ | simonrvn: good plan. didnt plan to |
| 08:32.50 | jethro | moin |
| 08:33.01 | sparr_ | what happens if i just kill it? |
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| 08:33.09 | simonrvn | just use the init script |
| 08:33.25 | valdyn | sparr_: then you most likely dont need it, try "apt-get remove fam", if that doesn't try to remove packages that you need. do it. |
| 08:33.26 | adrian_ | thanks stranger |
| 08:34.00 | adrian_ | sorry about that, my problem was that i was using windows a lot of time |
| 08:34.45 | sparr_ | dead famd, much better now. my app was only able to write about 2MB/s, back up to its normal 10MB/s now |
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| 08:35.06 | adrian_ | but you told me you are sure about my hardware in debian, just i have to install my drivers, even it is difficult, i dont know yet, u have to try |
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| 08:36.01 | systems | hi, is there any particular reason why debian doesnt have a uemacs, a.k.a mircoemacs package |
| 08:36.24 | caphuso | systems: nobody packaged it |
| 08:37.18 | adrian_ | i can use emacs in debian, but i prefer vi |
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| 08:37.27 | adrian_ | for programming |
| 08:37.29 | systems | so there is no license trouble or something of that sort, weird, seemed like a popular package |
| 08:37.43 | adrian_ | i gotta go |
| 08:37.46 | adrian_ | thanks |
| 08:37.49 | adrian_ | see you |
| 08:37.50 | adrian_ | bye |
| 08:37.59 | dli | someone give me a simple command to remove all <defunct> processes (the parent one, of course) |
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| 08:38.28 | systems | what is a <defunct> process |
| 08:38.33 | brendon_ | dli: how about one to kill all processes :) |
| 08:38.34 | mooded | zombi... |
| 08:38.51 | dli | brendon_ shoutdown now ? |
| 08:38.52 | streuner | !defunct |
| 08:38.52 | dpkg | i heard defunct is a zombie process (ask me about "zombie") |
| 08:38.55 | sparr_ | loading a 10GB text file into vi... very slow |
| 08:39.04 | systems | !zombie |
| 08:39.05 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 08:39.35 | goodboy | brendon. lets wait a couple of mins to see if its updating ok.. |
| 08:39.45 | goodboy | how do i set it to update every 1mins?? |
| 08:39.51 | systems | you can't kill a zombie |
| 08:40.06 | dli | systems, I'm asking to kill the parent ones |
| 08:40.23 | petemc | dli: ps anl |
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| 08:40.40 | petemc | dli: that often doesnt work, and a reboot is all you can do |
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| 08:41.10 | dli | petemc, I'm using ps flx|grep defunct|awk '{print $4}'|args kill |
| 08:41.45 | dli | petemc, just asking for any simple one |
| 08:41.47 | idc | DO i need perl and gcc to recompile kernel ? |
| 08:42.02 | stranger | Guerin, , ok.. I am running the file with mplayer now.. but wher can I find the info about what ccodec it is using |
| 08:42.04 | petemc | dli: ps anl, look for the ppid |
| 08:42.13 | streuner | idc: what does 'uname -a' say? |
| 08:42.14 | petemc | dli: but as has been said, it often doesnt work |
| 08:42.24 | idc | Linux IDC 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:42.29 | dli | petemc, don't get your point, ps anl won't even show defunct |
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| 08:42.39 | streuner | idc: server or desktop? |
| 08:42.44 | caphuso | dli: try ps -o ppid,cmd ax | grep '[<]defunct' | cut -d\ -f 1 |
| 08:42.53 | idc | will be a server ..i hope |
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| 08:43.19 | streuner | idc: production or just to play? |
| 08:43.33 | idc | personal server :) |
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| 08:43.48 | streuner | idc: upgrade to sarge |
| 08:43.55 | dli | caphuso, thanks |
| 08:43.57 | idc | already |
| 08:44.10 | caphuso | or the pid of his login shell... |
| 08:44.12 | streuner | idc: apt-cache search kernel-image-2. |
| 08:44.15 | dli | caphuso, then, I reboot? |
| 08:44.30 | dli | caphuso, I don't mind killing the shell |
| 08:44.32 | caphuso | dli: you, you certainly don't just kill it |
| 08:44.35 | idc | streuner, no, i have gotten used to recompile kernel by myself that to control it all over |
| 08:44.53 | simonrvn | caphuso: *PLONK* |
| 08:45.05 | streuner | idc: /msg dpkg kp |
| 08:45.18 | streuner | heh |
| 08:45.25 | idc | hmm |
| 08:45.45 | idc | I just want to know,i do need perl and gcc to recompile kernel for sure ? |
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| 08:45.51 | streuner | PLONK is using somebody else, if he ignored them... |
| 08:45.53 | simonrvn | trying to kill a Z proc with 1 as PPID =) |
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| 08:46.30 | streuner | !b-e idc |
| 08:46.31 | dpkg | idc: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 08:46.51 | idc | ? |
| 08:47.09 | simonrvn | @b-e |
| 08:47.14 | streuner | argh |
| 08:47.18 | idc | is gcc3.3 working fine in sarge ? |
| 08:47.24 | streuner | yes |
| 08:47.28 | idc | okay |
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| 08:49.03 | Guerin | stranger: read the output |
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| 08:49.21 | cisp | hello |
| 08:49.56 | cisp | I've installed md raid 1 with kernel 2.4 if I update my kernel-image package to 2.6 I've to do something with initrd? |
| 08:50.04 | cisp | before to boot:) |
| 08:50.07 | idc | streuner, perl is required for recompiling kernel? |
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| 08:50.18 | liable | stranger: you running mplayer or gmplayer? |
| 08:50.25 | Guerin | perl is required on all debian systems |
| 08:50.29 | streuner | idc: without PERL you do almost nothing in debian... |
| 08:50.41 | idc | lol ,i see,thanks |
| 08:50.44 | caphuso | perl is not an acronym |
| 08:50.47 | Guerin | it's the magic glue that sticks everything together |
| 08:50.51 | Guerin | yeah it is |
| 08:51.08 | Guerin | it's not SPELT as an acronym though |
| 08:51.35 | simonrvn | !start a perl acronym war |
| 08:51.54 | simonrvn | "yes it is!" "no it's not!" |
| 08:51.56 | jethro | perl - Practical Extraction and Report Language |
| 08:52.11 | simonrvn | dpkg, say "yes it is!" "no it's not!" |
| 08:52.12 | dpkg | "yes it is!" "no it's not!" |
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| 08:52.22 | caphuso | that's a backronym |
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| 08:52.33 | directhex|work | !start a food fight |
| 08:52.33 | dpkg | turkey is non-free |
| 08:52.34 | jethro | you're confusing me |
| 08:52.40 | drasko | hi all... How to add new eth interface (eth1)? |
| 08:52.47 | Guerin | caphuso: hrm. Linkage? |
| 08:52.55 | Guerin | drasko: man interfaces |
| 08:52.56 | simonrvn | no, it's a mynorkcab |
| 08:53.00 | man_in_shack | has anyone tried branden robinson's "x strike force" xorg-x11? |
| 08:53.16 | streuner | man_in_shack: heh? |
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| 08:53.42 | man_in_shack | streuner, http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/NEWS.xhtml |
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| 08:54.13 | caphuso | Guerin: man perlfaq1, "What's the difference between "perl" and "Perl"? |
| 08:54.30 | caphuso | But never write "PERL", because perl is not an acronym, apocryphal folklore and post- facto expansions notwithstanding. |
| 08:54.35 | man_in_shack | someone gave me a link to that saying i could get a working xorg from it |
| 08:54.43 | Guerin | !win caphuso |
| 08:54.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, caphuso! You have won the US presidency! |
| 08:54.51 | Rydekull | anyone know any good deployment-tool, like for example zenworks, but for apt/dpkg? :) |
| 08:54.55 | Guerin | otoh... http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html |
| 08:54.55 | man_in_shack | but if it's not easy to get a working xorg, then i'm not interested |
| 08:56.15 | Guerin | "The description from the original man page [...] NAME perl | Practical Extraction and Report Language |
| 08:56.16 | ircbot_ | getting a working xorg for debian? i suppose you could use the ubuntu packages... |
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| 08:56.40 | man_in_shack | ircbot_, tried that |
| 08:56.45 | man_in_shack | ircbot_, it totally fucked up apt |
| 08:56.48 | man_in_shack | ircbot_, broken deps |
| 08:57.05 | ircbot_ | man_in_shack: heh... that happens... did you try just sticking with free? |
| 08:57.12 | ircbot_ | i mean is it that bad? |
| 08:57.16 | Guerin | yes |
| 08:57.17 | man_in_shack | ircbot_, yah, but it's 4.3 isn't it? |
| 08:57.32 | Guerin | it's not hard to unbreak if you're an apt-geek, but if not, it is. |
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| 08:57.34 | directhex|work | man_in_shack, 4.3.0.dfsg (i.e. most drivers backported from xorg) |
| 08:57.44 | man_in_shack | ircbot_, i'm not going to even TRY any xfree later than 4.3 for the same reason as debian |
| 08:57.59 | man_in_shack | directhex|work, but no composite for example |
| 08:58.12 | Guerin | man_in_shack: no worthless shite, you mean? |
| 08:58.15 | Guerin | i agree. |
| 08:58.16 | directhex|work | man_in_shack, true |
| 08:58.57 | man_in_shack | Guerin, from what i've read, composite helps prevent artifacts |
| 08:58.57 | directhex|work | Guerin, xfree 4.3 is starting to show its age, even as far as i'm concerned & i'm usually the mellow type |
| 08:59.10 | stranger | anyone know of a good toturial for firewall building |
| 08:59.19 | stranger | a simple one |
| 08:59.19 | idc | tar -xfj a.tar.bz2, is this correct to unpack the package ? |
| 08:59.26 | caphuso | idc: /msg dpkg tar |
| 08:59.27 | directhex|work | no, that's damage. composite is for transparency |
| 08:59.37 | Guerin | directhex|work: does all the things it always did |
| 08:59.37 | jethro | stranger: packet filtering + nat howto ? how bout you fgi ? |
| 08:59.39 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 08:59.47 | man_in_shack | directhex|work, well that'd be nice too ;) |
| 08:59.52 | Guerin | and I don't have any real probalems with artifacts... |
| 08:59.57 | ircbot_ | yeah and those transparency apps eat cpu cycles like they are candy |
| 09:00.06 | ircbot_ | artifacts? |
| 09:00.08 | man_in_shack | Guerin, i HAVE had problems with artifacts |
| 09:00.09 | jethro | I don't even know what an artifact is |
| 09:00.18 | Guerin | man_in_shack: what hardware? |
| 09:00.25 | ircbot_ | me either jethro ... guess we are behind in the times |
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| 09:00.37 | Guerin | i mean, I've got artifacting now, but I'm using a 29" tv as a moinitor :) |
| 09:00.43 | man_in_shack | i've had problems with switching between console and X recently. i'd like to see if xorg gives any improvements on that, but i can't 8| |
| 09:00.57 | jethro | I guess I have good reasons to stick with 4.3.0.dfsg :) |
| 09:01.02 | man_in_shack | Guerin, 14" ibm monitor, gf fx5600xt |
| 09:01.15 | ircbot_ | wtf is artifacting? |
| 09:01.25 | Guerin | ircbot_: look at a highly compressed jpeg |
| 09:01.26 | directhex|work | Guerin, yes, it does. but that's the problem. the current driver level in debian's xfree is lacking, and it has no support for 2.6-style evdev input events (for the extra buttons on my shiny new mouse) |
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| 09:01.37 | Guerin | directhex|work: oh. |
| 09:01.39 | ircbot_ | pixelating? |
| 09:01.43 | stranger | ircbot_, it is the act of using woody :-) |
| 09:01.49 | Guerin | ircbot_: no, pixellation is different. |
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| 09:02.04 | ircbot_ | ah well at least i get the just of it now i guess |
| 09:02.12 | idc | strange,i run make xconfig,it says ' linuxfire.dhis.org/~optical/Screenshot' |
| 09:02.15 | man_in_shack | ircbot_, artifacts are like corruption in the videoram |
| 09:02.18 | SocketERR | knows somebody a tool to write a outlook .pst from a Maildir on the shell? |
| 09:02.20 | idc | oops,wrong paste |
| 09:02.28 | Guerin | SocketERR: hahaha |
| 09:02.33 | Guerin | SocketERR: good luck. |
| 09:02.35 | idc | Unable to find the QT installatio |
| 09:02.37 | ircbot_ | i haven't used free in a while...don't recall ever having that problem though |
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| 09:02.45 | Guerin | !make xconfig |
| 09:02.45 | dpkg | No, don't. Don't make gconfig either. Make menuconfig like a sane person. Please, think of the penguins. |
| 09:03.15 | ircbot_ | !kernel |
| 09:03.17 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.7, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc3, 2.4: 2.4.30, prepatch: 2.4.31-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc2-mm3 |
| 09:03.25 | jethro | idc: you want ServerToken Prod and ServerSignature Off in you apache configuartion |
| 09:03.32 | idc | Guerin, i always do kernel recompile on X env. |
| 09:03.44 | directhex|work | Guerin, ati r400 series cards has been out since september last year, ditto the nvidia 6000 series. neither is supported by x in debian, unless you count vesa |
| 09:03.44 | ircbot_ | they need to get that .12 up so i can go to my different machines and configure each one heh |
| 09:03.51 | streuner | !listvals libqt |
| 09:03.53 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'libqt' by value (1): xconfig. |
| 09:03.58 | streuner | !xconfig |
| 09:03.58 | dpkg | from memory, xconfig is for kernels in the 2.4 series and earlier, apt-get install tk8.3, or for 2.6 and newer kernels, apt-get install libqt-dev (woody) or libqt3-dev (sarge or sid), or for GNOME-heads, see gconfig |
| 09:04.04 | idc | jethro, excuse me ? hmm i haven't installed apache yet. |
| 09:04.06 | streuner | idc: and read what i told you |
| 09:04.17 | streuner | idc: /msg dpkg kp |
| 09:04.21 | caphuso | Guerin: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3394 |
| 09:04.29 | SocketERR | Guerin, outlook is not stalbe enought to read >10000 mails from a imap server :-( |
| 09:04.36 | idc | i cannot receive messages,cuz main irc window's gone |
| 09:04.48 | ircbot_ | idc define gone? |
| 09:04.52 | evad | i'm not sure many things are stable enough to recieve 10,000 emails from a server |
| 09:04.54 | jethro | idc: linuxfire.dhis.org/~optical/Screenshot this www server needs configuration tweaks |
| 09:04.55 | idc | now #debian is docked |
| 09:04.56 | Solet | anyone any good with multi head setup for XF86Config-4? i have 3 heads, screen1 is centered above screens 2 and 3, how would i write this in the server layout? sofar i have: Screen "Screen1" | Screen "Screen3" Relative "Screen1" 512 787 | Screen "Screen2" LeftOF "Screen3" but for some reason it doesnt work, whats wrong with it? |
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| 09:05.31 | jethro | !tell Atula -about msg |
| 09:05.45 | idc | jethro, oh,thank you,i will forward you advice to them now,you mean it possibly has secure backhole ? |
| 09:05.50 | antony | with dyndns updates, is it possible for clients to update a non-authoratitive server for the domain? |
| 09:06.09 | streuner | dondelelcaro: are you here? |
| 09:06.11 | jethro | idc: it's called information leak, helps one identify vulnerable versions of a service |
| 09:06.11 | antony | we have a 192.168.x.x lan which has a caching dns server that is non-authoratitive |
| 09:06.23 | Guerin | caphuso: cool. It iS an acronym, even if it's a facetious one, and I did agree that it wasn't PERL. |
| 09:06.25 | idc | jethro, Thanks |
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| 09:06.41 | streuner | Atula: why do you just ask dondelelcaro? |
| 09:06.53 | streuner | Atula: s/do/don't/ |
| 09:07.01 | ircbot_ | no...acronyms are made after the fact... perl was named and then they came up with what it stood for... difference |
| 09:07.01 | jethro | Atula: you don't need voice to talk here, so please stop /msg'ing at random |
| 09:07.22 | streuner | jethro: bullshit |
| 09:07.30 | jethro | hu? |
| 09:07.33 | streuner | jethro: the +q is a ban |
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| 09:07.40 | jethro | aaaah |
| 09:07.43 | jethro | I didn't see the +q |
| 09:07.55 | jethro | thought he used a lame excuse for his /msg'ing |
| 09:08.05 | ircbot_ | hehehe good ol' +q... ##slackware likes doing that to me |
| 09:08.31 | Solet | is anyone in here good with setting up multi head systems with XF86Config-4? |
| 09:09.33 | ircbot_ | nope |
| 09:10.05 | ircbot_ | what is apt written in? |
| 09:10.17 | evad | perl |
| 09:10.22 | streuner | get the source and find out? |
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| 09:13.50 | doub | ircbot_: c+1 i guess |
| 09:14.19 | idc | I need libqt3-dev to do make xconfig,but it will install a lot of other things altogether ..hmm,i didn't need that thing before .hmm |
| 09:14.23 | MMiS | FireFOX? |
| 09:14.31 | MMiS | Why not just call it The FOX? |
| 09:14.34 | MMiS | LOL~ |
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| 09:14.46 | MMiS | My browser is The FOX. |
| 09:14.47 | MMiS | LOL~ |
| 09:15.16 | doub | MMiS: because a firefox is not a fox on fire, i guess |
| 09:15.34 | ircbot_ | because they've had to change the name 3 times already they don't need to change it because of an overzealous news network |
| 09:15.39 | idc | firefox sounds a codesign somehow which is cool :) |
| 09:15.48 | idc | callsign* |
| 09:15.50 | SlayerXP | install the firesomething extension |
| 09:16.00 | SlayerXP | have a new name every time you start it |
| 09:16.15 | ircbot_ | remember i think it started as pheonix... well that didn't work out... so firebird... nope... then firefox... |
| 09:16.25 | Solet | 330 |
| 09:16.31 | MMiS | ircbot_, Because programmers need to stick to programming. |
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| 09:16.57 | ircbot_ | i didn't ask a question |
| 09:17.27 | MMiS | This side of Mozilla which we now speak of is almost embarrassing. It is an amateur conglomeration of the ugly streets bustling through Corporate America. |
| 09:17.56 | stranger | when I try mplayer file.ext I got some info about the file and my platform including cpu:AMD. but it also tells that MMX2, 3DNow, #DNnowExt are supported but disabled.. how to enable them? |
| 09:18.20 | MMiS | <- Sun Morpheus |
| 09:19.05 | doub | MMiS: irc users are a bunch of useless trolls |
| 09:19.28 | ircbot_ | i'll troll your mom |
| 09:19.35 | MMiS | FIREPONY! |
| 09:19.37 | MMiS | LOL~ |
| 09:19.44 | MMiS | He go fast, sir? |
| 09:20.04 | doub | MMiS: thanks for this very useful and fact backed debate, jim |
| 09:20.47 | MMiS | doub, I get paid the big bucks to do this line of work for Sun Microsystems, Jimmy. |
| 09:21.06 | doub | MMiS: and to troll on #debian ? |
| 09:21.21 | doub | MMiS: even paid, i wouldn't like such a job |
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| 09:21.43 | MMiS | doub, I am a Sun Morpheus. I do whatever the hell I want. |
| 09:21.51 | ircbot_ | i get paid to do your mom |
| 09:21.51 | alfatau | hi, a problem in my kde 3.3.2: i've the process kded which is continuosly polling on the hard drive, so i can't apply any power mgmt policy on it. if i kill kded all works fine. what's kded and could i tell to kded to not to poll on the hard drive so frequently? or (better) tell it to never poll on it? thank you! |
| 09:22.01 | pngwn | ircbot_, stfu |
| 09:22.29 | ircbot_ | heh |
| 09:22.52 | evad | ircbot_: whore! :o |
| 09:22.55 | doub | MMiS: well, do as you wish. but silently, it would be the greatest thing you'll do today |
| 09:23.23 | doub | MMiS: and the good thing is, you can even do the same tomorrow, and for your whole lifetime |
| 09:23.42 | crashbg | ahaaha |
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| 09:24.17 | wayne_ | qemu |
| 09:24.36 | kneet | make-kpkg - for making modules - I ran thru the section "Dynamic ftp and ssh mounts with autofs and lufs" on http://www.greenfly.org/tips/autofs.html and the deb installed the kernel module into /lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/fs instead of .../2.6.10-1-686/... - insmod works but not modprobe (which also doesn't work if you move the module to the 2.6.10-1-686 path either). What is the best way to get make-kpkg modules_image match the running debian (apt- |
| 09:24.36 | kneet | get installed) kernel? |
| 09:25.16 | MMiS | doub, Your jealousy is so eminemt I am seeing through a filter colored GREEN. |
| 09:25.26 | MMiS | HA HA HA. |
| 09:25.26 | evad | o.0 |
| 09:25.53 | evad | yes, that makes sense. |
| 09:25.55 | doub | MMiS: jealous about what? |
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| 09:26.13 | onre | you know, to be a successful troll, you'd have to be either very irritating or somehow amusing. you're neither. |
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| 09:26.42 | evad | he's just being weird at the moment, I guess |
| 09:27.29 | ircbot_ | i'm off to bed |
| 09:27.33 | ircbot_ | 4:30am... |
| 09:27.35 | ircbot_ | later all |
| 09:28.07 | MMiS | What do you think of telling a girl how high she makes you? I was told to keep secret things like that or else she will break me down one step after the other. |
| 09:28.22 | streuner | imurdock: hi |
| 09:28.33 | MMiS | HI MURDY. |
| 09:28.55 | MMiS | doub, I am a Sun Morpheus at 26. |
| 09:29.05 | MMiS | doub, That is not precedented. |
| 09:29.13 | doub | MMiS: good boy |
| 09:29.37 | imurdock | streuner: howdy |
| 09:30.42 | MMiS | doub, I traded in the girlfriend I was ready to dump. The Sun Master bit. |
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| 09:31.30 | idc | a Celeron1.7Ghz is not from the 'Coppermine' family but beongs to the P4 based ? |
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| 09:31.32 | doub | nee: bonjour |
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| 09:31.54 | MMiS | Not many people would have a such a sexmachine, let alone one they would be willing to part. |
| 09:31.58 | MMiS | But I did, and I did. |
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| 09:32.23 | evad | IRC client....for emacs |
| 09:32.26 | MMiS | I have been a Morpheus for 6 months now. |
| 09:32.31 | MMiS | It still feels like yesterday. |
| 09:32.33 | MMiS | LOVING IT. |
| 09:32.51 | doub | evad: emacs is the one universal OS ;) |
| 09:32.56 | evad | >.< |
| 09:33.00 | petemc | MMiS: do you write on the sun blog? |
| 09:33.06 | streuner | idc: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:33.11 | MMiS | petemc, No. |
| 09:33.18 | evad | hehehehehe another Sun Employee |
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| 09:33.36 | MMiS | evad, You a Sunny? |
| 09:33.44 | evad | lol |
| 09:33.53 | idc | streuner, it doesnt note if its coppermine in that file |
| 09:33.53 | evad | i'm starting work with Sun in july |
| 09:34.11 | MMiS | Sun is incredible. |
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| 09:34.16 | streuner | idc: there is prolly an entry for, just look harder. |
| 09:34.17 | idc | i have a celeron 1.7ghz,is it P3 based or P4 based ? |
| 09:34.23 | evad | idc: p4 |
| 09:34.26 | MMiS | There is such motivation to climb. |
| 09:34.36 | MMiS | Sun really brings out the best in its workforce. |
| 09:34.41 | doub | idc: look at foldoc or wikipedia, one of them shure will know |
| 09:34.47 | evad | it's a P4 |
| 09:34.48 | idc | evad, i guessed so |
| 09:34.57 | idc | Thanks |
| 09:34.58 | evad | the Pentium 3 went to 1.3/1.4 maximum. |
| 09:35.19 | MMiS | I am talking to you all exclusively through JAVA technology. |
| 09:36.00 | directhex|work | idc, it's a p4. unfortunately, p4 celerons are bloody slow |
| 09:36.03 | doub | MMiS: does it make your life any better? mine is crippled when i hear this j word |
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| 09:36.15 | tuxyRochefort | do you have any links to crack a WEP key (my own network). I followed the documentation of aircrak but didn't understand |
| 09:36.22 | idc | directhex|work, I see |
| 09:36.22 | MMiS | doub, Sun Java 2.5 is just wonderful. |
| 09:36.37 | MMiS | It is the very best Java yet. |
| 09:36.41 | andyd | i always find java sticky on intel platforms. |
| 09:36.43 | doub | MMiS: i tend to prefer real coffee |
| 09:36.45 | stranger | when I try mplayer file.ext I got some info about the file and my platform including cpu:AMD. but it also tells that MMX2, 3DNow, #DNnowExt are supported but disabled.. how to enable them? |
| 09:36.48 | beeblebrox87 | MMiS: is it open source? |
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| 09:36.57 | directhex|work | stranger, which mplayer package? |
| 09:36.58 | doub | stranger: try to recompile it by hand |
| 09:37.17 | MMiS | beeblebrox87, No. |
| 09:37.20 | doub | stranger: but my guess is if you don't have those in your CPU, that won't change much |
| 09:37.27 | stranger | how many packages are there for mplayer?! |
| 09:37.34 | directhex|work | stranger, four, if memory serves |
| 09:37.45 | MMiS | beeblebrox87, Sun needs control in order to ensure the quality our customers demand of us. |
| 09:37.47 | directhex|work | stranger, you used marillat. what did you apt-get install? |
| 09:37.50 | stranger | doub, I have a athlon 1000MHz |
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| 09:38.14 | beeblebrox87 | MMiS: can't you control it but still have the source available for download? |
| 09:38.41 | MMiS | beeblebrox87, No. Java would quickly lose its reputation. |
| 09:38.41 | stranger | directhex|work, yes I used marillant and I used base-config to install everything mplayer |
| 09:38.50 | beeblebrox87 | err, s/you/Sun/; since i don't imagine pro-Sun trolls control anything |
| 09:38.52 | MMiS | It would become perverted by amateur hackers. |
| 09:39.00 | doub | stranger: re-compile it by hand. if you have the marillat source, "apt-get source mplayer" and then go to the directory, "dpkg-buildpackage" IIRC |
| 09:39.07 | beeblebrox87 | but at the moment it's not available for most platforms |
| 09:39.25 | doub | stranger: it will build a 5th one "mplayer-custom" for your arch and cpu |
| 09:39.29 | Kerr | pjirc is pretty slick, but for ircing via browser, i have to say i'd always go for cgiirc. for a start it proxies the irc traffic, so when you have irc ports blocked like my uni, it still works... |
| 09:39.33 | MMiS | beeblebrox87, I am a Sun Morpheus, kiddo. |
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| 09:40.13 | directhex|work | stranger, eh? there are 6 mplayer packages in marillat. all of them conflict |
| 09:40.26 | doub | MMiS: as linux and all free software obviously are |
| 09:40.31 | MMiS | FireFOX? |
| 09:40.35 | Kerr | MMiS: using that 'corrupted by amature hackers' mentality of yours; explain openoffice. |
| 09:40.38 | directhex|work | stranger, mplayer-386 mplayer-586 mplayer-686 mplayer-k6 mplayer-k7 mplayer-nogui |
| 09:40.50 | MMiS | Kerr, OpenOffice is not a standard. |
| 09:40.59 | MMiS | JAVA is much more than you realize. |
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| 09:41.02 | directhex|work | stranger, you want mplayer-386, it's the most fully featured and will use all your cpu extensions |
| 09:41.27 | buzzzz | is anyone here able to boot spambots? |
| 09:41.44 | directhex|work | yes, ops are |
| 09:41.46 | MMiS | In essence, Java is the lifeblood of common interoperability. |
| 09:42.03 | Kerr | I wouldn't go that far. |
| 09:42.04 | buzzzz | well, pOLice is a spambot |
| 09:42.05 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:42.06 | directhex|work | i thought that was ASCII |
| 09:42.14 | MMiS | Kerr, YOU are not a Sun Morpheus. |
| 09:42.19 | MMiS | Kerr, I am. |
| 09:42.20 | simonrvn | interoperability... that's a good one |
| 09:42.32 | Kerr | hail yourself as perfect and your out of the job. Who needs to employ coders for a finished project. |
| 09:42.40 | Kerr | you're^ |
| 09:42.42 | Kerr | O.o |
| 09:42.49 | buzzzz | join and it PMs you a happy little url to visit |
| 09:42.50 | MMiS | Kerr, I am hardly a code monkey. |
| 09:42.53 | stranger | directhex|work, it is the one I didn't install :=) I used k7 or 686.. I don't really remeber, but I thought the 386 is the one with less features |
| 09:42.55 | MMiS | Is that what you think a Morpheus is?? |
| 09:43.02 | doub | MMiS: a troll |
| 09:43.04 | Kerr | I can't say i bothered to checl |
| 09:43.06 | Kerr | check^ |
| 09:43.27 | MMiS | I am talking to you all exclusively through JAVA technology. |
| 09:43.32 | liable | !ops pOLice is an onjoin spammer |
| 09:43.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pOLice is an onjoin spammer |
| 09:43.37 | MMiS | FireFOX? |
| 09:43.37 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 09:43.37 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@203.49.194.181] by helix |
| 09:43.38 | *** part/#debian pOLice (~CoolGirl_@203.49.194.181) |
| 09:43.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 09:43.42 | MMiS | Why not just call it The FOX? |
| 09:43.47 | MMiS | LOL~ |
| 09:43.51 | Kerr | I do know every time i run limewire for more than a few days, java-vm b0rks, and needs to be killed, and no other process does that. |
| 09:44.01 | Kerr | thought that might be limewire's fault. |
| 09:44.02 | liable | shit that was quick! |
| 09:44.08 | MMiS | Kerr, Limewire perverts Java. |
| 09:44.16 | buzzzz | liable: thanks |
| 09:44.25 | MMiS | It is a good example of what amateur hackers can do. |
| 09:44.34 | liable | buzzzz: thank helix |
| 09:44.34 | directhex|work | stranger, important life lesson: directhex knows everything |
| 09:44.36 | MMiS | You think Java is crap because of how it has been perverted. |
| 09:44.39 | simonrvn | oh ffs, get off the high horse.... |
| 09:44.50 | Kerr | MMiS: 'this is good because i say so' |
| 09:44.54 | buzzzz | heh... thanks helix too :) |
| 09:44.57 | Kerr | MMiS: you should work for microsoft :) |
| 09:45.05 | directhex|work | stranger, i've read the debian packaging control files. 386 enables runtime cpu detection for all features, whilst 586 only has pentium 1 features statically enabled |
| 09:45.05 | buzzzz | >.< |
| 09:45.07 | buzzzz | too |
| 09:45.08 | doub | helix shoots faster than her shadow, seems like |
| 09:45.12 | stranger | directhex|work, Important annoucement.. I love you directhex|work |
| 09:45.22 | MMiS | My browser is The FOX. |
| 09:45.26 | MMiS | LOL~ |
| 09:45.32 | simonrvn | she can split off her 2 helices for double the action |
| 09:45.37 | directhex|work | because then there'd be a problem naming their email client |
| 09:45.50 | directhex|work | because there's already an email client called "The BAT" and people might get confused |
| 09:45.51 | MMiS | He eat up WEB like FOX. |
| 09:46.06 | MMiS | But URS is The Firepony! |
| 09:46.08 | MMiS | LOL~ |
| 09:46.12 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:46.20 | doub | MMiS: java? perverted ? by amateur hackers, yes |
| 09:46.20 | simonrvn | !lolol MMiS |
| 09:46.26 | directhex|work | okay, this is boring now |
| 09:46.37 | Kerr | MMiS: I do not think Java is crap. I think it has scope for imrpovement: Hanging because a badly written program tells you to is a redmond trait. |
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| 09:46.45 | directhex|work | @blaireau MMiS |
| 09:46.47 | simonrvn | um, who borked that factoid? |
| 09:46.47 | ravenbird | MMiS: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
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| 09:46.52 | amad3us | yew all |
| 09:47.14 | directhex|work | !start a food fight |
| 09:47.15 | dpkg | coleslaw is not healthy |
| 09:47.19 | MMiS | Kerr, Java is pure and clean. It does not try to compensate for amateur hacking. |
| 09:47.30 | MMiS | You are telling me that Java should be like Internet Explorer. |
| 09:47.35 | simonrvn | gwads, you sound like a sun vendor |
| 09:47.41 | simonrvn | gawds* |
| 09:48.00 | MMiS | Internet Explorer is very forgiving of amateur HTML. |
| 09:48.00 | doub | MMiS: but it *is* just a bunch of amateur ugly hacks |
| 09:48.20 | Kerr | MMiS: A 'pure' program that does not compensate for an impure world will never be top choice: It's like selling a car without seatbelts, or airbags. 'this car is prefect, it doesn't need them' |
| 09:48.50 | MMiS | Kerr, You are telling me that one minute I might as well work for Redmon, and the next you are supporting Internet Explorer and using it against me. |
| 09:48.52 | MMiS | WHICH IS IT? |
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| 09:49.05 | petemc | both equally uninteresting |
| 09:49.09 | Kerr | hmm, I use Firefox. |
| 09:49.22 | MMiS | Firefox obeys official standards and makes no compensation. |
| 09:49.23 | directhex|work | gawd. helix, just end it whilst you're up |
| 09:49.32 | helix | what? |
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| 09:49.39 | helix | oh |
| 09:49.45 | helix | MMiS? |
| 09:49.50 | directhex|work | helix, it's a fairly blatant troll, yeah |
| 09:49.56 | Kerr | MMiS: It doesn't hang itself every time it bups on a chunk of bad code. |
| 09:50.04 | Kerr | burps^ |
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| 09:50.43 | MMiS | Kerr, I am currently TALKING TO YOU using Official Java 2.5 runtime technology. |
| 09:50.47 | helix | directhex|work: so why is everyone talking to it? |
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| 09:50.56 | MMiS | Kerr, Is that not impressive enough? |
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| 09:51.20 | tzafrir | MMiS, what is java 2.5? |
| 09:51.23 | doub | helix: because we don't have anything better to do, i guess |
| 09:51.25 | SlayerXP | helix: long time no speak, may I smooch you in a completely platonic way? |
| 09:51.29 | directhex|work | helix, that's the mark of a successful troll that is |
| 09:51.39 | helix | you should all suffer, you damn wankers |
| 09:51.57 | helix | if you are going to talk to trolls, why do you complain about them? |
| 09:51.59 | SlayerXP | calling any male a wanker is rather like calling water wet :) |
| 09:52.01 | tzafrir | MMiS, Java 1.5? Java 5? (Sun just likes confusing its users with version numbers) |
| 09:52.08 | doub | helix: wan-what? didn't hear that ;) |
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| 09:52.31 | MMiS | tzafrir, I told you 2.5. What is the problem? |
| 09:52.41 | doub | MMiS: you are |
| 09:52.45 | MMiS | It is the very best Java yet. Be glad, for chrissake. |
| 09:52.47 | Kerr | MMiS: I'm talking to you using Irssi. It's been up as long as my system has (since last hardware upgrade) and will probably live 'till the next. |
| 09:53.05 | MMiS | Kerr, Java does more than Irssi ever could. |
| 09:53.32 | MMiS | Java is the lifeblood of common interoperability. |
| 09:54.06 | SlayerXP | Kerr: Don't Feed The Troll[tm] |
| 09:54.12 | mdh | MMiS: can you talk on IRC with irssi simply by typing "irssi": yes. can you talk on IRC with java simply by typing "java": no. ergo, you are wrong. |
| 09:54.13 | Kerr | are you a halbot, or do you actualy retype that, to waste everyone's time? |
| 09:54.14 | doub | MMiS: what do you want to do? |
| 09:54.14 | tzafrir | MMiS, Java is either a language or en envirnment. Don't compare it to an application. |
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| 09:54.38 | tzafrir | Although knowing Emacs, sometimes the borders are a bit dim |
| 09:54.43 | Kerr | MMiS: Crayons do more than Java does. So do bricks. Yeah, you van build a lot out of bricks. |
| 09:54.48 | Kerr | can^ |
| 09:55.02 | Kerr | i'm in a house made of bricks |
| 09:55.06 | Kerr | is that not impressive? |
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| 09:55.17 | doub | Kerr: you can even throw them, when necessary ;) |
| 09:55.26 | tzafrir | Kerr, can you make coffee with irsii? |
| 09:55.33 | tzafrir | :-) |
| 09:55.36 | MMiS | Kerr, Java is one of the most important pieces of code modern man has. |
| 09:55.41 | DarkSlack | hey guys |
| 09:55.46 | MMiS | Bricks are primitive and not even close to comparable. |
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| 09:56.00 | DarkSlack | ho can help me with my apache2 on a debian system |
| 09:56.19 | tzafrir | maybe |
| 09:56.21 | mdh | DarkFame: damn, ho's are getting smart these days |
| 09:56.23 | SlayerXP | DarkSlack: people who've had the problem adequately explained to them can. |
| 09:56.28 | MMiS | How many of you can honestly say you go a week without depending on Java technology? |
| 09:56.49 | Ronin | ahh thats better, ignore all is a wonderful option |
| 09:56.49 | DarkSlack | my virtualhosts dont works very good |
| 09:56.57 | DarkSlack | so here is my probl... |
| 09:57.01 | SlayerXP | DarkSlack: can you be less specific? |
| 09:57.03 | DarkSlack | i defide the vh... |
| 09:57.08 | tzafrir | MMiS, considering that there's no Java in Debian's main: I get along fine without it |
| 09:57.32 | DarkSlack | but the apache server dont have permision to read the indexes files... |
| 09:57.36 | helix | mdh: eh? |
| 09:57.52 | MMiS | tzafrif, You should use Windows. It comes with most Windows installs. |
| 09:57.52 | SlayerXP | DarkSlack: and? |
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| 09:58.06 | DarkSlack | i try to chmod -R 777 /var/www/mysite |
| 09:58.11 | DarkSlack | but no result... |
| 09:58.16 | mdh | helix: I could be lagging :) |
| 09:58.19 | doub | world^ even |
| 09:58.28 | DarkSlack | can anyone try to help me |
| 09:58.34 | MMiS | tzafrif, I always buy computer with Windows installed. |
| 09:58.43 | directhex|work | helix, decided to punch #debian then? anyone ever told you you're evil at times? |
| 09:58.48 | directhex|work | *punish |
| 09:58.54 | SlayerXP | DarkSlack: what does the error log say? |
| 09:59.00 | DarkSlack | or to gine me a good example of vh |
| 09:59.03 | directhex|work | mdh, how did you break it? |
| 09:59.04 | DarkSlack | just a seccond |
| 09:59.22 | mdh | directhex|work: it came that way out of the box :) |
| 09:59.29 | jethro | and a punch too |
| 09:59.30 | MMiS | You can enjoy Java with any operating system, but make it easy on yourself and go with the Windows. |
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| 09:59.42 | MMiS | I do. |
| 10:00.07 | liable | MMiS: will you shut the fuck up already, you are not contributing in any way to #debian |
| 10:00.10 | DarkSlack | hmm... |
| 10:00.12 | directhex|work | mdh, what hardware? |
| 10:00.12 | MMiS | I quit the linux fad years ago. |
| 10:00.20 | DarkSlack | in the logs say that "client denied..." |
| 10:00.23 | mdh | directhex|work: Matrox G450 card, I get the dreaded: libGL InitDriver failed msg |
| 10:00.35 | doub | liable: /ignore is your friend |
| 10:00.39 | MMiS | Who needs a linux when you have Java? |
| 10:00.45 | mdh | directhex|work: from what I've researched, that's caused by the DRI bit being compiled against the wrong X server bit |
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| 10:01.11 | MMiS | Windows is a pleasurable comlement to Java. |
| 10:01.16 | liable | helix: please, ubertroll he is |
| 10:01.26 | directhex|work | mdh, be careful what you read on the intarwebs |
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| 10:01.33 | helix | liable: who? |
| 10:01.41 | liable | helix: MMiS |
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| 10:01.48 | MMiS | I see nothing helix is saying. |
| 10:01.51 | MMiS | What are you on about, kiddo? |
| 10:01.53 | mdh | directhex|work: it must be true, I read it on the Internet! |
| 10:01.58 | simonrvn | i set him/her on /ignore 10 minutes ago |
| 10:02.03 | helix | MMiS: stop trolling, mmkay |
| 10:02.22 | liable | :( |
| 10:02.28 | MMiS | helix, I am enjoying Java before I head off to work. |
| 10:02.37 | MMiS | I work as a Morpheus. |
| 10:03.13 | MMiS | I am talking to you all exclusively through JAVA technology. |
| 10:03.21 | streuner | simonrvn: i have 1/2 hr. headaches about ... ;-) |
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| 10:03.30 | Shadur | If by that you mean your main task is to bore your betters to sleep with your inane blather, you're almost succeeding. |
| 10:03.31 | MMiS | I have the JRE installed here, brothers. The new generation. |
| 10:03.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 10:03.32 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@Toronto-HSE-ppp3656466.sympatico.ca] by helix |
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| 10:03.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 10:03.41 | Shadur | Thanks |
| 10:03.42 | mdh | directhex|work: the matrox drivers are 4.3.0, Debian builds claim to be 4.3.0.1 |
| 10:03.45 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 10:04.13 | mdh | directhex|work: what I might do is simply vim the file and remove any version checking :) |
| 10:04.15 | Kerr | lol |
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| 10:04.56 | directhex|work | mdh, you're using drivers from outside debian.org? |
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| 10:05.10 | Kerr | tzafrir: I imagine if i had a usb coffee machine, it would be relativley simple to set a timer, to control when coffee should be made O.o |
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| 10:05.24 | doub | mdh: trying to subvert ops, hmmm ;) |
| 10:05.34 | d0ug | hi .. getting gallery to go multi-lingual, need to install system locales for the languages i selected... but how would i go about apt getting them in and ready for gallery to use? |
| 10:05.36 | mdh | directhex|work: unfortunately I have to, mergefb only works with the evil proprietary Matrox HAL library |
| 10:05.47 | tzafrir | Kerr, I figure you know the linux coffee howto, right? |
| 10:05.59 | d0ug | or is this not an apt thing but a debconf |
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| 10:06.53 | directhex|work | mdh, try using red hat 7.3, it's about all matrox support |
| 10:07.00 | Kerr | can't say i do, but should i need it; i'm pretty sure google would. |
| 10:07.24 | d0ug | yo kerr, any thoughts bud? |
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| 10:10.12 | mdh | directhex|work: I'd rather beat my nuts with a cactus :P |
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| 10:10.46 | directhex|work | mdh, see, that's the thing with proprietary vendor support, you have to make some sacrifices. some vendors moreso than others. |
| 10:10.47 | light_punch2 | mdh, rather from what? |
| 10:11.41 | light_punch2 | due you gotta cherish your nuts |
| 10:11.46 | light_punch2 | dude |
| 10:11.53 | Kerr | that howto is hillarious... but, for the sake of pressing the 'on' or 'off' button? |
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| 10:12.28 | mdh | light_punch2: that's my point. I do cherish my nuts, therefore I won't be running Redhat |
| 10:12.34 | resiak | Is there a more obvious way to number each line of a pipeline than |perl -pe 'print ++$i, " "'| ? |
| 10:13.14 | light_punch2 | haha |
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| 10:14.24 | mdh | directhex|work: its something with the standard Debian packages that's wrong. it works fine with the dri-trunk stuff (dri.sf.net + Xorg server) |
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| 10:15.11 | mdh | directhex|work: and that's without any proprietary stuff (in fact, the Matrox proprietary drivers don't work with the dri-trunk stuff, wrong symbols |
| 10:16.11 | mdh | I'd register a bug about it, but what's the point? Debian is pretty much the only distribution still stuck back in the dark ages with XFree86 4.x |
| 10:16.39 | SlayerXP | mdh: solution: stop using debian |
| 10:16.42 | SlayerXP | bye!" |
| 10:16.44 | mdh | which is a dead-end package |
| 10:17.08 | dbron | I don't use X on most my debian installs anyway, I haven't noticed |
| 10:17.26 | jethro | x is for weenies |
| 10:17.41 | Kerr | x is for quake3, when drunk. |
| 10:17.46 | CAiRO | when i get kernel messages like 'kernel: hw tcp v4 csum failed', could that indicate a hardware error? |
| 10:17.53 | directhex|work | apt-get install quake2 |
| 10:18.01 | Kerr | have that, too. |
| 10:18.02 | CAiRO | i get lots of them, probably 20 in an hour |
| 10:18.23 | jethro | CAiRO: what's the nic? |
| 10:18.23 | Kerr | but quake3 team arena, or urban terror; are far, far better. |
| 10:18.38 | Gnea | mdh: that's like saying "why bother voting since it won't count anyway?" |
| 10:18.40 | mdh | bah, games are for playstations |
| 10:18.41 | jethro | I don't like moronic fps games |
| 10:18.55 | Kerr | but not as good as bricks. Bricks are better than Xfree, Java; and quake. |
| 10:19.02 | Kerr | You can build houses out of them, see? |
| 10:19.13 | jethro | and you can eat them too |
| 10:19.15 | CAiRO | jethro: how can i find that out? i'm not at the physical location of the server |
| 10:19.24 | jethro | CAiRO: lspci |
| 10:19.32 | jethro | CAiRO: assuming it's a pci nic |
| 10:19.36 | CAiRO | Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controlle |
| 10:19.38 | CAiRO | yeah, it is |
| 10:19.48 | Kerr | I dunno.. java is nicer than briks, for taste. I prefer espresso though. |
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| 10:20.07 | Gnea | mdh: if you can't be assed to file a bug report then you have no business asking for help for anything open-source related. |
| 10:20.10 | Kerr | bricks^ |
| 10:20.17 | mdh | Gnea: except we know that XFree86 has been superceeded by Xorg, so its not quite the same as voting for losers ;) |
| 10:20.31 | jethro | taset that one |
| 10:20.35 | Kerr | heh.. talking crap again. 'tis 11:18am, i think i'm going to go sleep |
| 10:20.35 | jethro | taste even |
| 10:20.36 | Gnea | mdh: but do you know where Debian is coming from? obviously not. |
| 10:20.41 | Kerr | @.@ |
| 10:20.46 | jethro | ;) |
| 10:21.00 | directhex|work | it's 11am. do you know where your debian is? |
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| 10:21.05 | mdh | Gnea: its that kind of attitude that stops people filing bug reports |
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| 10:21.24 | nomed^ | hi |
| 10:21.30 | jethro | debian is still sleeping, lucky bitch |
| 10:21.31 | Gnea | mdh: precisely. and i hate it too. |
| 10:21.57 | Gnea | mdh: but, it's good in a way because it makes intelligent people think and separates the real men from the children |
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| 10:22.13 | Gnea | lol |
| 10:22.15 | simonrvn | ... |
| 10:22.18 | Gnea | that was the dumbest thing i've ever said |
| 10:22.22 | mdh | Gnea: I know the second I mention HAL in the bug report it'll be auto-closed without any further reading |
| 10:22.24 | simonrvn | yes |
| 10:22.25 | jethro | !lart Gnea |
| 10:22.30 | Gnea | lol |
| 10:22.32 | nomed^ | i'm in a chroot ambient and i use mount -t proc /proc proc .. in mtab i have /proc proc proc rw .. but in my 'normal' debian i have proc /proc proc .. am i doing aomething wrong? |
| 10:22.32 | directhex|work | mdh, this is true |
| 10:22.55 | directhex|work | mdh, or mention udev. or hotplug. or discover. the package gets reasiigned & closed |
| 10:22.56 | Thanatermesis | how to launch a startx from one chroot ? |
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| 10:23.20 | Gnea | mdh: ok, there are many many licensing issues surrounding it, since Xorg has a different license than Xfree, that's the cause for lag in the Debian community |
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| 10:23.38 | simonrvn | no, the lag is from sarge not releasing |
| 10:23.42 | Gnea | mdh: and when people don't file bug reports, that only adds to the lag |
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| 10:23.53 | mdh | Gnea: I know where Debian is coming from with the X stuff, I keep up with the XSF pages |
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| 10:24.18 | Gnea | and sarge doesn't release because of all the bugs that keep coming and going |
| 10:24.39 | mdh | Gnea: as simonrvn said, they decided to stick with XFree86 for sarge so Xorg won't hit unstable until after sarge releases |
| 10:24.42 | jethro | so he shouldn't file a bug, that would only slow down sarge's release |
| 10:24.44 | directhex|work | no, sarge won't release due to lack of security builders |
| 10:24.48 | jethro | according to what you just said |
| 10:24.58 | jethro | directhex|work: security builders? |
| 10:25.06 | mdh | and Overfiend said in 20/20 hindsight he wouldn't have made that decision, but we're stuck with it now :) |
| 10:25.16 | Gnea | directhex|work: really? then why does http://security.debian.org/ exist? |
| 10:25.20 | Kerr | jethro: they have realy tough, steel bricks, for securer houses :) |
| 10:25.27 | jethro | :) |
| 10:25.40 | Gnea | hdh, Overfiend has changed a lot over the years |
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| 10:25.43 | Gnea | er, heh |
| 10:25.48 | directhex|work | Gnea, to provide security on debian stable. which has a fraction of the packages that sarge has |
| 10:25.50 | jethro | Gnea: security.debian.org has fixes for stable, not for sarge |
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| 10:25.57 | Gnea | there was a time when Overfiend would leave anyone behind and not give a damn |
| 10:26.09 | Gnea | that was proven, quite literally, to myself and another once |
| 10:26.13 | directhex|work | Gnea, when the testing-security infrastructure is in place and working, sarge can release within about a month |
| 10:26.36 | jethro | directhex|work: how does one get involved in testing-security? |
| 10:26.44 | Gnea | directhex|work: that sounds cool |
| 10:26.50 | Gnea | yeah, what jethro said |
| 10:27.33 | directhex|work | Gnea, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00003.html |
| 10:27.40 | mdh | its really sad, all the work that's gone into sarge and its outdated on release. |
| 10:27.49 | Kerr | i wonder if i should stick with sarge when it's released... or move to the new testing. |
| 10:28.02 | directhex|work | Gnea, jethro, no idea. poke Overfiend next time he's awake, he probably knows some stuff. |
| 10:28.05 | nomed^ | Thanatermesis, if you find a way to do that tell me :) .. i need it |
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| 10:28.15 | directhex|work | Kerr, etch |
| 10:28.20 | Gnea | mdh: that's actually been the way it's been for years.. i remember how long it took woody to release |
| 10:28.28 | mdh | Kerr: I've run unstable for the past decade, had exactly 1 problem, which I caused myself, and learnt how to avoid it in the future :) |
| 10:28.34 | jethro | directhex|work: aight I will do that |
| 10:28.35 | Gnea | and once it was out i was on sid |
| 10:28.47 | mdh | s/learnt/learned/ |
| 10:28.55 | Gnea | heh |
| 10:29.12 | Gnea | that's one good thing about debian, is that unstable has become much more reliable |
| 10:29.29 | jethro | while we're at sharing sid experiences, the only one I had in 6 years was a libpam0g problem, quite boring in the first place |
| 10:29.40 | Gnea | kanotix would be nothing without it ;) |
| 10:29.56 | mdh | "stable" is for the fossils who haven't left the server room since before John Lennon was killed |
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| 10:30.34 | nomed^ | is there a way to rebuild the dpkg db? |
| 10:30.48 | Gnea | the only reason i flipped over to sarge from sid on my workstation was because all web browsers were segfaulting when entering a print function, regardless of the backend |
| 10:30.50 | simonrvn | which one? |
| 10:31.14 | jethro | keikoz: /msg dpkg fr |
| 10:31.26 | Gnea | and kprint inflates the printing fonts like they're on crack |
| 10:31.34 | Gnea | so, sarge it is |
| 10:32.20 | keikoz | jethro , what is that for ? |
| 10:32.29 | simonrvn | new DSAs coming in since last night |
| 10:32.38 | Gnea | nomed^: are there not backup files in /var/lib/dpkg/ ? |
| 10:32.48 | Chameleon22 | is there a KDE app to creates notes something like chm look ... i need it to write specifications so with GUI and hierchy etc |
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| 10:32.52 | nomed^ | Gnea, status is empty .. |
| 10:33.08 | Gnea | nomed^: what about status-old? |
| 10:33.12 | nomed^ | status-old the same .____. |
| 10:33.19 | Gnea | o.O |
| 10:33.20 | simonrvn | or the ones in /var/backups? |
| 10:33.23 | mdh | whats the new maintainer process like currently? |
| 10:33.49 | mdh | I wish to ITP something |
| 10:34.03 | Thanatermesis | yes nomed^ , hehe |
| 10:34.03 | jethro | keikoz: it will tell you about debian support channels in french |
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| 10:34.07 | Thanatermesis | how to launch a startx from one chroot ? |
| 10:34.07 | Gnea | not sure, i think it's still fluctuating |
| 10:34.26 | keikoz | ah ok, thx jethro |
| 10:34.38 | Thanatermesis | nomed^, is posible to need link the /dev/X-server to a chroot |
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| 10:35.12 | Gnea | there's a /dev/X-server? |
| 10:35.25 | nomed^ | Thanatermesis, actually i don't know ... i still don't need it .. it'll be my next step |
| 10:35.51 | nomed^ | Thanatermesis, actually my chroot ambient has no dpkg databese .____. |
| 10:36.43 | Thanatermesis | wow |
| 10:36.50 | Thanatermesis | Gnea, I don't know |
| 10:36.55 | CAiRO | when i get kernel messages like 'hw tcp v4 csum failed', could that indicate a hardware error? |
| 10:37.00 | Gnea | Thanatermesis: then why did you mention it |
| 10:37.01 | Gnea | ? |
| 10:37.05 | Thanatermesis | nomed^, use debootstrap ;) |
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| 10:38.00 | Thanatermesis | Gnea, the x-server dev, I don't know the real name |
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| 10:38.35 | rixth | If there anyway to apt-get KDE without having to get ALL the crap like kscreensaver kscreensaver-xsavers? |
| 10:38.49 | rixth | Is* |
| 10:38.49 | directhex|work | rixth, kdecore? |
| 10:38.57 | directhex|work | rixth, perhaps you just want kicker and kwin? |
| 10:39.07 | rixth | Apt-get install kde wants lots of crap. |
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| 10:39.12 | rixth | I'll try just kdecore |
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| 10:39.33 | Gnea | rixth: no, it's like gnome, it's full of dependancies |
| 10:39.40 | rixth | directhex|work, that's MUCH better. |
| 10:39.52 | rixth | Only 30mb compared to 180. |
| 10:39.57 | Gnea | heh |
| 10:40.17 | rixth | Gnea, I personally really like Gnome, I'm just gonna take a look at KDE. |
| 10:42.27 | tombs_ | how can I make firefox my default browser? sometimes I open a link, and it uses konqueror |
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| 10:43.53 | Gnea | tombs_: apt-get remove knoqueror |
| 10:44.00 | Gnea | er konqueror |
| 10:44.45 | evad | mmm apt-get remove kde* |
| 10:44.59 | Gnea | apt-get install enlightenment* ;) |
| 10:45.00 | tombs_ | Gnea, and if some other user wants to run KDE, where is the konqueror than? |
| 10:45.36 | Gnea | tombs_: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 10:45.41 | Gnea | tombs_: what's that pointed to? |
| 10:46.18 | tombs_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.22 | Gnea | ding |
| 10:46.34 | Gnea | rm /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser && ln -s /usr/bin/firefox /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 10:46.37 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:46.59 | mdh | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 10:47.10 | Gnea | actually |
| 10:47.16 | Gnea | what mdh said makes more sense |
| 10:47.17 | mdh | firefox should already be registered, if not, its a bug |
| 10:47.24 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 10:47.32 | mdh | (ie, registered as a possible alternative) |
| 10:47.58 | mdh | yay, postgresql 8.0.2 hit experimental |
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| 10:51.47 | rokstar | do you know where can i find an how-to to set up my us_robotics_router in order to make it work with my debian? It shouldn't be hard to set up.. but i failed all my tries |
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| 10:53.26 | Gnea | rokstar: usr router? |
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| 10:54.03 | directhex|work | rokstar, how is it connected to your pc? |
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| 10:55.22 | rokstar | eth0 - router - wan - modem |
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| 10:56.10 | maltje | I installed bittornado but I can not find it !! |
| 10:56.12 | rokstar | it works fine with Knoppix... just to avoid "you wrong the cable" or similar |
| 10:56.13 | Gnea | rokstar: ok, what what usr router? |
| 10:56.36 | directhex|work | rokstar, which version of debian, which network card? |
| 10:56.36 | maltje | I use ubuntu |
| 10:56.40 | rokstar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.48 | Gnea | maltje: bit<tab><tab> |
| 10:56.48 | directhex|work | maltje, how is that a debian problem? debian has bittornado |
| 10:56.59 | rokstar | debian sid, realtek chipset on the eth0 |
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| 10:57.28 | maltje | I know ubuntu has it also I used Synaptic to instal it |
| 10:57.31 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 10:57.34 | directhex|work | rokstar, are you getting an ip address from dhcp? |
| 10:57.41 | Gnea | rokstar: got your eth0 set to dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:57.54 | rokstar | i don't use dhcp... should i? |
| 10:57.58 | directhex|work | maltje, why would we know in #debian about the binaries included in ubuntu's versions of packages? |
| 10:58.02 | Gnea | it's a router, you should be |
| 10:58.03 | sunmountain76 | Hi all ! Does anyone know an alternate apt repos to install php5 ? |
| 10:58.07 | directhex|work | rokstar, there is absoluetly no reason to not use dhcp. ever. |
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| 10:58.25 | Gnea | directhex|work: sure there is. |
| 10:58.58 | directhex|work | Gnea, i can't think of one |
| 10:59.09 | mdh | directhex|work: 1) your network isn't ethernet |
| 10:59.29 | Gnea | directhex|work: there isn't a dhcp server on the other end. |
| 10:59.34 | maltje | Isn't it base on debian? |
| 10:59.46 | Gnea | 'based on' but not 'is' |
| 10:59.56 | rokstar | uhm... if i set /etc/network/interfaces like this: iface eth0 inet address 192.168.0.78 | netmask 255.255.255.0 | gateway 192.168.2.1 (router ip) it should work i think... |
| 11:00.04 | mdh | maltje: there's probably a #ubuntu where somebody cares |
| 11:00.05 | directhex|work | Gnea, if there's no dhcp server on the other end there damn well should be |
| 11:00.15 | Gnea | rokstar: that's static, set it to dhcp. |
| 11:00.24 | directhex|work | rokstar, sure, whatever. support it yourself. home-grade routers are DESIGNED to serve dhcp info |
| 11:00.31 | Gnea | directhex|work: but if there is not then it won't work. |
| 11:00.35 | drac | !info gnomebaker sarge |
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| 11:00.40 | Gnea | and thus must use an original solution. |
| 11:00.44 | dpkg | gnomebaker: (application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 387 kB, Installed size: 949 kB |
| 11:00.54 | Maliuta | does anyone know if I can use cp to move files from one maildir to the next? |
| 11:00.59 | rokstar | uhm... so i have to apt-get it... but i need to be connected to apt it :D |
| 11:00.59 | Gnea | directhex|work: unless he shut it off |
| 11:01.04 | doub | rokstar: your router is unavailable in this scheme, if 192.168.2.0 is not on the same machine |
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| 11:01.33 | doub | rokstar: or maybe you ment 192.168.0.1 ? |
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| 11:01.43 | Gnea | directhex|work: naw just comment out the lines from 'iface eth0 ...' on down, then add 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:01.46 | Gnea | i mean |
| 11:01.48 | directhex|work | doub, no, i suspect he's just fucked up. it'd explain his problems |
| 11:01.54 | Gnea | rokstar: what i just said to directhex|work by accident |
| 11:02.00 | Gnea | directhex|work: you suck. |
| 11:02.05 | Gnea | !troll directhex|work |
| 11:02.26 | doub | Gnea: and a working troll, at that ;) |
| 11:02.39 | Gnea | yeah and i'm working too, what's your point? ;) |
| 11:02.49 | rokstar | uhm... ok, i'll try, thank you.. i will inform you later on the result :P |
| 11:02.50 | doub | Gnea: or at the very least, a troll at work |
| 11:02.59 | Gnea | rokstar: good luck |
| 11:03.21 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 11:03.47 | evad | Troll! :o |
| 11:03.59 | tombs_ | mdh, its just fine now |
| 11:04.05 | tombs_ | thanx |
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| 11:04.20 | McKillroy | I want to use a monolithic (no modules) kernel and want to use a root filesystem on a LVM2 logical volume. Which Options do I need to activate, except from the MD and Filesystem (ext3) stuff in the .config ? |
| 11:04.25 | doub | Gnea: that working and trolling don't cope well together. but maybe i'm not working enough ;) |
| 11:04.39 | mdh | tombs_: you're welcome :) |
| 11:04.52 | Gnea | McKillroy: make menuconfig will present those options a bit better |
| 11:05.01 | McKillroy | I used menuconfig |
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| 11:05.12 | Gnea | doub: yes. :) |
| 11:05.32 | Gnea | McKillroy: so check the RAID/LVM section |
| 11:05.37 | sonderblade | McKillroy: all "m" in .config should be "y" |
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| 11:05.55 | petemc | that would be a big kernel... |
| 11:05.56 | McKillroy | Gnea: unfortunately even activating "mapper" gives me a kernel panic "unable to mount blah ... |
| 11:06.03 | dli | McKillroy, I suppose you have to test for that. |
| 11:06.08 | McKillroy | I don't use modules .. its all static |
| 11:06.09 | doub | sonderblade: what's the point ? initrd s are here for that purpose |
| 11:06.11 | idc | is it ' make menuconfig && make && make bzImage && make moudle && make moudles_install ? |
| 11:06.19 | petemc | idc: you dont need && |
| 11:06.23 | directhex|work | McKillroy, to the debian kernel images not work for you? |
| 11:06.26 | idc | why it only took 10 seconds to finish making bzImage ? |
| 11:06.36 | directhex|work | idc, no, don't use make |
| 11:06.37 | dli | idc: in #debian, it's make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 11:06.41 | directhex|work | !tell idc about kp |
| 11:06.42 | McKillroy | I use a gentoo kernel with grsecurity patch 2.6.11 |
| 11:06.52 | sonderblade | doub: but he wanted no modules |
| 11:06.52 | McKillroy | But I installed the sources under debian |
| 11:07.07 | Gnea | that's awesome |
| 11:07.27 | idc | petemc, i have done 'make', when i do make dep,says its no necessary now,so i do make bzImage,but it only took 10 secs to finishi it,so quick ? |
| 11:07.40 | doub | sonderblade: my bad. but still, no module is huge and not so convinient |
| 11:07.45 | directhex|work | idc, stop using make. really. use the kernel-package utility |
| 11:07.49 | idc | dli, i always use the regular way to do kernel compile |
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| 11:08.14 | dli | idc: in debian, the standard is kernel-package |
| 11:08.15 | directhex|work | idc, just because you do it, doesn't mean it's clever |
| 11:08.24 | doub | idc: maybe because you didn't change anything since the last "make", so it does pretty nothing, except maybe re-linking |
| 11:08.26 | Thanatermesis | how to launch a startx from one chroot ? |
| 11:08.36 | sonderblade | doub: not if you remove all modules you dont need |
| 11:08.40 | directhex|work | Thanatermesis, startx -- :1 |
| 11:08.41 | directhex|work | ? |
| 11:08.47 | sonderblade | doub: that's how i have my gentoo built and it works perfectly |
| 11:08.47 | doub | idc: or the kernel hackers know shit about how to write a makefile |
| 11:08.54 | liable | idc: use make prepare for >2.6 |
| 11:08.56 | idc | doub, but if i recall correctly, 'make bzImage' takes a long time though |
| 11:09.06 | directhex|work | doub, given how much make rpm fails, i suspect so |
| 11:09.13 | Thanatermesis | no directhex|work , "not screens found" |
| 11:09.33 | Thanatermesis | the xfree.conf are copied to chroot environment and not founds |
| 11:09.35 | directhex|work | Thanatermesis, what driver is your chrooted /etc/X11/XF864-Config set to use? |
| 11:09.37 | doub | idc: not if (in a perfect world), your build is up to date |
| 11:09.43 | Thanatermesis | need to link the /dev/x-server to chroot ? |
| 11:09.53 | directhex|work | Thanatermesis, no such thing |
| 11:10.03 | doub | idc: but do "make mrproper" first, and see what happens |
| 11:10.04 | idc | hmm |
| 11:10.09 | petemc | idc: try make clean |
| 11:10.17 | McKillroy | Another thing : Is it safe to use -j3 (Dual Athlon MP) as make switch and -O3 instead the standard -O2 for gcc when kernel compiling ? |
| 11:10.21 | Thanatermesis | directhex|work, in my system have nvidia + xorg, in chroot have xfree, select vesa (not include nvidia drivers in chroot) |
| 11:10.24 | doub | idc: backup your .config in any case |
| 11:10.43 | petemc | McKillroy: -j3 should speed things up for a dual athlon |
| 11:10.50 | Gnea | McKillroy: how much ram? |
| 11:11.04 | McKillroy | At least my Kernel compiled, but it cannot finde the /mapper .. volumes... |
| 11:11.07 | McKillroy | 2 gigs |
| 11:11.13 | doub | McKillroy: you can also use -l something to prevent -j from rendering your system un-usable |
| 11:11.18 | Gnea | McKillroy: try -j10 |
| 11:11.26 | petemc | ! |
| 11:11.34 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:11.37 | Gnea | it'll work |
| 11:11.41 | petemc | pointless |
| 11:11.43 | McKillroy | -j666 gave me an ugly face on the screen .. with horns !!!! |
| 11:11.48 | Gnea | LOL |
| 11:11.49 | directhex|work | Thanatermesis, what distribution do you run? |
| 11:12.10 | Thanatermesis | SID and SID |
| 11:12.25 | directhex|work | Thanatermesis, "SID" doesn't exist. "Sid" doesn't have xorg in it |
| 11:12.57 | Thanatermesis | I have ported the xorg packages in .deb (debian) |
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| 11:13.10 | directhex|work | -_- |
| 11:13.25 | Gnea | Thanatermesis: you can't use the fb with the nvidia |
| 11:13.29 | directhex|work | fine. what does the /var/log/XFree86.1.log file in your chroot say is the specific device that's not found? |
| 11:13.30 | McKillroy | Would someone be so kind and have a look at my .config ? I just cannot figure out why the /mapper is not found .... the standard kernel has no problem. Or do i need some initrd stuff - even with my static kernel? |
| 11:13.40 | Thanatermesis | not use fb in X-server |
| 11:13.57 | directhex|work | Gnea, you can't? i've always used framebuffers and nvidia-glx |
| 11:13.58 | doub | sonderblade: having "gentoo" and "perfectly" in the same sentence doesn't sound correct to me ;) |
| 11:13.59 | Thanatermesis | ok directhex|work, after Im look (need to run) |
| 11:13.59 | Gnea | no, you can't use fb with commercial nvidia drivers. |
| 11:14.01 | Thanatermesis | brb |
| 11:14.33 | Gnea | directhex|work: the two have *NEVER* worked before. did that change recently? rivafb and nvidia? |
| 11:14.40 | Gnea | nvidia, not nv |
| 11:14.41 | Thanaway | Gnea, Im use X with nvidia comercial and FB-vesa for tty's, not have problems |
| 11:15.04 | Gnea | Thanaway: you say it works with vesafb but not rivafb? |
| 11:15.05 | doub | directhex|work: but remember, kernel hackers are enginers, not computer science students (as seen in the kernel faq) ;) |
| 11:15.18 | directhex|work | Gnea, who the hell uses rivafb? vesafb all the way |
| 11:15.47 | Thanaway | Gnea, fb-vesa run's good, Im don't like much use rivafb... not much tested.. |
| 11:15.48 | Thanaway | :/ |
| 11:15.49 | Gnea | directhex|work: dude, there's a pine tree in your ass, you should take it out once in awhile |
| 11:16.02 | Gnea | hrm |
| 11:16.07 | directhex|work | Gnea, what a very odd thing to say |
| 11:16.22 | Ketter | mental picute.. damn it Gnea.. that's nasty :( |
| 11:16.34 | Gnea | yeah so's his attitude |
| 11:16.36 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:16.37 | Ketter | s/picute/picture |
| 11:17.31 | Thanaway | brb |
| 11:17.52 | xophEr | how can I umount my hdds when they say 'device is busy' ? |
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| 11:18.07 | directhex|work | xophEr, stop it ebing busy. install lsof, work out what's making it busy |
| 11:18.11 | doub | xophEr: by making them non-busy |
| 11:18.11 | Gnea | xophEr: locate the offending process(es) and kill -9 them |
| 11:18.26 | directhex|work | xophEr, most commonly, people try to unmount /mnt/foobar whilst actually inside /mnt/foobar |
| 11:18.51 | Gnea | or they run a process from within, place it in the background and simply forget about it |
| 11:19.32 | doub | directhex|work: fuser is part of base IIRC, and is useful for this purpose too |
| 11:19.41 | xophEr | ok, Ill try to figure it out |
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| 11:20.42 | tombs_ | mdh, and what can I do to make my grafic mode starts during the booting process, sometimes it runs,sometimes not(than I have to reboot)...please |
| 11:21.49 | doub | Gnea: you're a process murderer. i'll complain to the appropriate process law representative ;) |
| 11:22.15 | doub | Gnea: shooting at processes in the back without them even figuring you're around... |
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| 11:27.21 | nkuttler | if a raid 5 with 5 hds is configured with "nr-spare-disks 0" in /etc/raidtab and one of the partitions is lost, is there enough data to rebuild the raid? |
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| 11:29.54 | xerophyte | how can i refresh the vim screen |
| 11:30.31 | xophEr | ok, now I got a different problem, I successfully mounted two ntfs partitions, but when I try to browse them with nautilus I only see empty files, it states the correct free disc space though, and I can browse the files in console |
| 11:30.43 | xophEr | using ufsd to mount |
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| 11:33.19 | doub | xophEr: improper permissions maybe? |
| 11:33.19 | nkuttler | xerophyte: F |
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| 11:33.39 | xophEr | perhaps, Ill edit them and see.. I doubt it though |
| 11:33.50 | nkuttler | xerophyte: actually, that's refresh. ^a (or whatever) ? |
| 11:33.58 | nkuttler | xerophyte: s/refresh/fit/ |
| 11:34.03 | doub | xophEr: you can't edit ntfs perms. do that at mount time with umask= option |
| 11:34.25 | doub | xophEr: if you want everyone read perm, set umask=2 |
| 11:34.34 | nkuttler | xerophyte: forget what i said... i'm confused |
| 11:34.40 | xophEr | was just about to :) |
| 11:35.39 | xophEr | yeah, works now. :) full write support on ntfs |
| 11:35.56 | xophEr | thanks |
| 11:35.57 | streuner | good luck |
| 11:36.12 | xophEr | streuner, this one works ;) |
| 11:36.20 | sameer | hey people |
| 11:36.32 | sameer | why isnt there a man page for the command "cd " |
| 11:36.44 | petemc | sameer: its a bash built in |
| 11:36.45 | SlayerXP | because it's an internal command in most shells |
| 11:36.50 | doub | sameer: because it's a shell built in |
| 11:37.01 | EL_Chupanibre | yeh...what they said |
| 11:37.11 | mdh | sameer: man <insert your shell here> |
| 11:37.23 | petemc | bash would likely be a safe bet |
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| 11:37.50 | sameer | man bash |
| 11:37.51 | doub | mdh: (please overstrike useless options) ;) |
| 11:38.44 | sameer | so isnt ls a built in command |
| 11:38.53 | sameer | so isnt " ls " a built in command |
| 11:38.55 | McKillroy | LVM drives me nuts.... |
| 11:38.57 | doub | sameer: if your shell is bash, you can have built-in info from "help <command>" |
| 11:38.59 | EL_Chupanibre | man bash....sounds a bit like my ex wife... |
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| 11:39.22 | doub | sameer: no |
| 11:39.37 | McKillroy | Do I need some additional stuff in an initrd when I use a static kernel ? |
| 11:39.48 | sameer | so can i remove ls without removing bash |
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| 11:40.02 | beware | hi |
| 11:40.10 | doub | sameer: you can. you can also shoot yourself in the foot |
| 11:40.34 | beware | i installed woody on a vmware, network itself works (i can ping and resolve hosts) but attempts to use mirrors (which are verified to work) time out |
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| 11:41.09 | doub | sameer: that way, you'll understand how your nervous system works, how millions of years of biological evolution cope with holes in the foot. pretty entertaining ;) |
| 11:41.23 | sameer | doub :hehe |
| 11:41.35 | sameer | doub : so what are the other built in commands |
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| 11:41.47 | doub | sameer: help (in bash only) will tell you |
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| 11:41.57 | strat50s | hi |
| 11:41.59 | doub | sameer: or man bash (search for BUILT) |
| 11:42.03 | beware | telnet also times out on, say, security.debian.org port 80 |
| 11:42.08 | magarmach | hey guys, has anyone had any luck with getting the fingerprint reader to work in IBM thinkpads? |
| 11:42.12 | beware | so it appears to be unable to make TCP connections |
| 11:42.20 | TinoW | hi |
| 11:42.30 | TinoW | magarmach: I finally got my fingerprintsensor in the ID-mouse running |
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| 11:42.45 | magarmach | TinoW: do you have a URL that i could lookup? |
| 11:43.02 | TinoW | magarmach: which kernel are you using? |
| 11:43.13 | magarmach | TinoW: 2.6.11 |
| 11:43.14 | TinoW | magarmach: as what kind of device does it appear? USB? |
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| 11:43.30 | magarmach | TinoW: yes it appears as a USB device |
| 11:43.33 | TinoW | magarmach: but I'd guess its just too new |
| 11:43.43 | TinoW | magarmach: just google on USB ids |
| 11:43.56 | magarmach | TinoW: its a T42 used laptop, so its not TOO new |
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| 11:44.20 | TinoW | magarmach: my fingertip mouse was also 2 years old ;) |
| 11:44.21 | sameer | doub : what package contains ls and the other commands |
| 11:44.34 | doub | sameer: dpkg -S or dlocate will tell you |
| 11:44.45 | magarmach | TinoW: so after i get a USB id? |
| 11:44.47 | doub | sameer: like "dpkg -S /bin/ls" |
| 11:44.51 | TinoW | magarmach: what does lsusb say for that device? |
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| 11:45.16 | sameer | doub : package coreutils |
| 11:45.20 | sameer | doub : thanx |
| 11:45.28 | doub | sameer: if you want to know everything you ever wanted to ask about debian, install debian-reference |
| 11:45.31 | beware | hm |
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| 11:45.56 | beware | can i get help with a problem? |
| 11:46.02 | doub | beware: no |
| 11:46.08 | doub | !tell beware about ask |
| 11:46.19 | feffe | Hello everyone! I need a quick help, i installed debian but my resolution can be max 1024x768. I want like i had in windows, 1280x1024. should i cofigure the text file in /etc/x11/....? PLease help =) |
| 11:46.20 | beware | i already asked it but im being ignored |
| 11:46.31 | directhex|work | !drxx feffe |
| 11:46.32 | dpkg | feffe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 11:46.34 | derek | hi, i upgraded nvidia through apt but now it won't work at all, it downloads the nvidia-kernel-2.4 version and i can't find a 2.6.8 version |
| 11:46.35 | beware | which is frustrating |
| 11:46.44 | directhex|work | !nvidia-kernel |
| 11:46.44 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel packages do not exist any more - they were too much of a pain to keep in synch with kernel-images. To install an nvidia-kernel package, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 11:47.17 | magarmach | TinoW: 08c3, precise biometrics |
| 11:47.25 | beware | i mean, being ignored after asking a question, and being unable to make any kind of noise (everything is inappropriate/reason for banning) |
| 11:47.30 | doub | beware: as dpkg told you, "if someone knows, they'll answer". a corolary is that if noone answers, noone knows |
| 11:47.35 | amichai | is the debian internet install disk, like gentoo stage 1? like i have to compile everything? |
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| 11:47.44 | directhex|work | amichai, no. |
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| 11:48.12 | directhex|work | amichai, debian is not a source-based distro. the 110mb net install cd is enough to get a basic system running, download sother binaries from the net |
| 11:48.21 | sameer | doub : where will debian-reference be installed |
| 11:48.33 | beware | its fun how linux systems can be "not working, no clue why, no way to diagnose". it just blackbox fails |
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| 11:48.40 | doub | sameer: i bet in /usr/share/doc/debian-reference. but i might be wrong |
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| 11:49.06 | amichai | directhex|work: is debian stable or will it crash on me? does it use xorg? |
| 11:49.07 | petemc | beware: huh? most problems in diagnosis are down to the user, not linux |
| 11:49.08 | derek | shoot, how do you configure x again? |
| 11:49.11 | anabain | is there any scanner scsi expert here? |
| 11:49.14 | doub | beware: i'd be inclined to say it's the case of proprietary systems more than free software |
| 11:49.21 | onre | beware, if you don't know where to look for log files, that's not the fault of the operating system. |
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| 11:49.58 | directhex|work | amichai, debian has three versions - stable, testing, unstable. you want testing, which has xfree86 4.3 with backported drivers |
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| 11:50.07 | doub | beware: a hint, try to trace your network to get a better clue as to what happens (or not) |
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| 11:50.08 | directhex|work | !drxx derek |
| 11:50.09 | feffe | when reconfiguring the xserver should i chose NV in the chipset if i have a Nvidia gfx card? my motherboard is a Soltek 75-kavx (if it?s the chipset it asks for) |
| 11:50.10 | dpkg | derek: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 11:50.14 | doub | beware: install ethereal or tcpdump |
| 11:50.26 | directhex|work | feffe, nv is the 2d-only driver included in xfree86 |
| 11:50.28 | beware | i cant install anything, i am without any working apt |
| 11:50.31 | beware | and no installed packages |
| 11:50.36 | evad | feffe: yes but you can later install the nvidia 3D driver |
| 11:50.41 | anabain | who uses a scsi scanner here with sane? |
| 11:50.41 | doub | beware: on your host machine, that is |
| 11:50.53 | directhex|work | !d-i amichai |
| 11:50.53 | feffe | evad: i?m a totaly newbie so ok should i use the NV for now? |
| 11:50.53 | dpkg | amichai, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:50.57 | beware | i guess this problem isnt known/recognised |
| 11:50.57 | doub | beware: you can't do network trace inside vmare by default anyway |
| 11:52.03 | TinoW | magarmach: http://www.neurotechnologija.com/vf_sdk.html |
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| 11:52.45 | amichai | directhex|work: i've been using debian, b4 that fedora, any surprises? |
| 11:52.50 | derek | thanks directhex|work |
| 11:53.07 | directhex|work | amichai, yeah. unlike fedora, it doesn't suck |
| 11:53.34 | derek | errr, what server modules should i load? i tried loading all except glcore and dri but that didnt work |
| 11:54.14 | directhex|work | derek, "doesn't work" is useless. and you don't want to mess with that screen. |
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| 11:54.31 | derek | gives me the error "failed to initalize nvidia kernel |
| 11:54.43 | amichai | directhex|work: lol. how about compared to ubuntu, similar? no way of getting xorg in? or is xorg just not that better? |
| 11:54.51 | drac | no nvidia.ko loaded. |
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| 11:55.08 | directhex|work | derek, dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-source && dpkg -l nvidia-glx |
| 11:55.14 | directhex|work | derek, do the version numbers match? |
| 11:55.25 | amichai | drac: will i have problems with cedega when not using xorg? |
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| 11:55.40 | directhex|work | amichai, ubuntu is based on debian, with time-based rather than quality-based releases, and a smaller package set |
| 11:55.40 | amichai | drac: for the latest games? i mean with my ati graphics? |
| 11:55.49 | directhex|work | amichai, officially, debian is the best distribution to run cedega on |
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| 11:56.15 | directhex|work | amichai, though ati 3d on linux means pain |
| 11:56.25 | derek | directhex|work: yes |
| 11:56.26 | amichai | directhex|work: so ubuntu is basically a timid version of ubuntu, to keep users safe and on the calm side? |
| 11:56.31 | drac | amichai: no idea, I don't use windows emulators. but, linux games with fglrx works. |
| 11:56.57 | directhex|work | amichai, yeah, pretty much |
| 11:57.03 | directhex|work | derek, what does "modprobe nvidia" say |
| 11:57.26 | derek | nothing, like it loaded or was already loaded |
| 11:57.32 | amichai | directhex|work: which one do i get? i386? what is the alpha and arm? |
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| 11:57.57 | directhex|work | amichai, alpha is a series of 64 bit processors released by Digital in the 90s (i think) |
| 11:58.05 | derek | tried again and still gave me the failed error |
| 11:58.06 | amichai | lol |
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| 11:58.18 | directhex|work | derek, check the end of /var/log/kern.log |
| 11:58.23 | amichai | directhex|work: so i should get i386 for my amd xp? |
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| 11:58.29 | directhex|work | amichai, yes. |
| 11:58.42 | amichai | directhex|work: thanx man. time to try this. |
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| 11:58.51 | derek | Apr 27 07:56:58 localhost kernel: NVRM: client does not support versioning!! Apr 27 07:56:58 localhost kernel: NVRM: aborting to avoid catastrophe! |
| 11:59.14 | directhex|work | derek, did you compile this kernel yourself? |
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| 11:59.24 | amichai | directhex|work: so this will install even a de, such as gnome? |
| 11:59.33 | directhex|work | amichai, only if you ask it to |
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| 11:59.59 | amichai | directhex|work: does it come with a manual, or do i need to use irssi and links? |
| 12:00.03 | derek | directhex|work: i read !nvidia-kernel |
| 12:00.08 | derek | !nvidia-kernel |
| 12:00.08 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel packages do not exist any more - they were too much of a pain to keep in synch with kernel-images. To install an nvidia-kernel package, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 12:00.25 | directhex|work | derek, so what exactly does that have to do with where your kernel comes from? |
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| 12:00.58 | directhex|work | amichai, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
| 12:00.58 | derek | i don't know, i guess i didn't then |
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| 12:02.42 | directhex|work | derek, reboot. |
| 12:02.56 | derek | heh |
| 12:03.18 | derek | thanks for your help, brb mabye |
| 12:03.29 | directhex|work | derek, actually, before you reboot, echo nvidia >> /etc/modules |
| 12:03.33 | directhex|work | poop :/ |
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| 12:04.34 | amichai | directhex|work: thanx |
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| 12:05.17 | amichai | directhex|work: any idea how big the cd is? i'm using konqueror and it wont tell me |
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| 12:05.22 | derek | no luck |
| 12:05.27 | directhex|work | amichai, the installer is pretty simple though, once you're onto the system apt-get install irssi-text, and ask any major queries in here |
| 12:05.34 | directhex|work | amichai, the net install is 110mb or so |
| 12:05.42 | directhex|work | derek, still getting the NVRM message? |
| 12:06.06 | derek | what w as the file to check? |
| 12:06.13 | Rydekull | dpkg: bugs |
| 12:06.16 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 12:06.17 | amichai | directhex|work: cool. and debian is totally free? all apps? |
| 12:06.27 | directhex|work | derek, /var/log/kern.log |
| 12:06.44 | xoz | amichai: go visit www.debian.org |
| 12:06.51 | derek | exact same |
| 12:07.00 | amichai | xoz: thanx |
| 12:07.17 | directhex|work | amichai, there are three repositories. main, whihc is all free under the terms of the debian free software guidelines (/msg dpkg dfsg), about 18,000 packages. non-free is stuff that is not dfsg-compliant. contrib is stuff that needs non-free to work, but is free in itself |
| 12:08.12 | derek | not meeting guide lines still means its free though |
| 12:08.23 | amichai | directhex|work: so technically its all available? and debian support kernel 2.6.11? |
| 12:08.31 | derek | apt will never ask for your credit card number |
| 12:09.00 | directhex|work | amichai, sarge (testing) has frozen on 2.6.8 - but 2.6.11 is available in unstable |
| 12:10.13 | derek | alright, thanks directhex, i'll try to figure it out this afternoon |
| 12:10.14 | amichai | directhex|work: how do i get unstable? |
| 12:10.53 | directhex|work | amichai, you can do an upgrade from testing - or you can set testing as default, and request packages from unstable on a per-package basis |
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| 12:11.43 | amichai | directhex|work: so i get apt-cache linux-kernel and get the latest one? |
| 12:12.00 | amichai | directhex|work: meaning without it crashing |
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| 12:13.05 | directhex|work | amichai, your syntax is off, but pretty much |
| 12:13.06 | k3k0 | is sarge stable yet ? |
| 12:13.15 | directhex|work | amichai, i run testing on this machine, but have a kernel from unstable |
| 12:13.20 | k3k0 | == |
| 12:13.26 | drac | Is there a way to mount cd-rw with rw options? |
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| 12:13.55 | amichai | directhex|work: ok. i get u. i'll install and se. thanx man. |
| 12:14.27 | directhex|work | drac, that needs packet writing support (mt rainer). not sure that's in the upstream kernel. |
| 12:14.43 | fm | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22838 |
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| 12:15.22 | idc | If i have more than 1 kernel to be selected at boot ,i must uncomment 'prompt and 'timeout' in lilo.conf ? |
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| 12:16.26 | drac | directhex|work: great. i'll just find an kernel patch for it then, if that isn't supported in 2.6.12-rc3 allready. |
| 12:16.48 | directhex|work | idc, possibly. i'd use grub. though installing kernel .deb files does it all automatically |
| 12:16.57 | drac | just wanna make some use for my old cdrw drive .. |
| 12:17.28 | idc | ok,reboot to test new kernel :) |
| 12:17.33 | idc | directhex|work, thanks |
| 12:18.19 | idc | hope i will be here in 2 minutes ..if you do not see me in that amount of time..means i am xxxed :( |
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| 12:20.56 | drac | directhex|work: I found this, http://wiki.gentoo-italia.net/index.php/Packet_Writing_on_CD-RW, does that look what you we're talking about? Yes, I know it's in wrong language, I don't understand it either. |
| 12:21.06 | drac | It has some link to kernel patch ... |
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| 12:24.39 | idc | :) |
| 12:25.03 | idc | Linux IDC 2.6.11.7 #2 Thu Apr 28 04:01:44 CST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:26.06 | idc | Cool :) well,the difference from the previous done on kernel recompile is ,boot with new kernel the default ADSL on boot is not executed ,but i had to run pppoeconf again :) |
| 12:26.36 | deckrider | hi, using debian/sarge mutt, I've entered "l something" to limit the messages to those containing "something" how do I clear this out so as to not limit messages? |
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| 12:27.44 | petemc | deckrider: limit to : ^ should reset it, theres another, proper way, but that works |
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| 12:29.34 | deckrider | petemc: thanks |
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| 12:30.11 | petemc | deckrider: np, that can be applied to other things too, eg: pressing D , then ^ to select all |
| 12:30.19 | petemc | $ works too |
| 12:30.22 | idc | hi peterS |
| 12:30.27 | idc | petemc, ,sorry |
| 12:30.36 | petemc | idc: happens all the time :) |
| 12:30.48 | idc | in debian,to allow a normal user to access to audio,do 'useradd name audio' ? |
| 12:30.56 | petemc | adduser |
| 12:30.56 | greycat | idc: yes |
| 12:31.04 | idc | I see,thanks |
| 12:33.45 | streuner | hm |
| 12:33.58 | deckrider | petemc: cool...great for my spam folder |
| 12:34.46 | drac | directhex|work: FYI, 2.6.12-rc3 allready supports it. Found /usr/src/linux/Documentation/cdrom/packet-writing.txt :-) |
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| 12:35.53 | Chameleon22 | http://caricatura.ru/black/korsun/546/ |
| 12:35.58 | Chameleon22 | ignore above please |
| 12:36.07 | Chameleon22 | trying to compile tuxcards and getting this error: src/gui/cactusbar/cactus.h:27: error: forward declaration of `class Cactus', any ideas how to solve it? |
| 12:36.38 | frederic | have you got the good gcc version ? |
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| 12:37.10 | Chameleon22 | got g++ |
| 12:38.02 | frederic | g++ -v = 3.3.5 ? |
| 12:38.20 | Chameleon22 | Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2 |
| 12:39.16 | frederic | u'r under ubuntu |
| 12:39.37 | frederic | okay =) ... mh... this is strange.. perhaps tuxcards is an old proglm ? |
| 12:39.51 | nevyn | Chameleon22: why are you building it? |
| 12:39.58 | frederic | have you test to change the gcc lnk to use a previous version |
| 12:40.03 | deckrider | anyone know if its possible for tuxracer to work with the vesa driver in xfree86 sarge? |
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| 12:40.08 | streuner | Chameleon22: #ubuntu |
| 12:40.14 | Chameleon22 | nevyn: ubuntu doesnt have it |
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| 12:40.21 | nevyn | deckrider: you really need acceleration. |
| 12:40.27 | nevyn | Chameleon22: it's not in universe? |
| 12:40.27 | Chameleon22 | streuner: those dudes are mostly usless |
| 12:40.31 | frederic | deckrider, tuxracer use glx xtension |
| 12:40.36 | Chameleon22 | nevyn: doesnt look like it |
| 12:40.43 | streuner | Chameleon22: that's not our problem |
| 12:40.58 | frederic | deckrider, tuxracer with vesadriver = 4 fps |
| 12:41.01 | deckrider | nevyn: the reason I ask is glxgears seems to work fine, but tuxracer does not...perhaps I did not configure correctly? |
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| 12:41.07 | Chameleon22 | streuner: feel free not to help |
| 12:41.13 | nevyn | deckrider: define "fine" |
| 12:41.18 | Chameleon22 | nevyn: so yeah :| |
| 12:41.26 | streuner | !ubuntusmite Chameleon22 |
| 12:41.44 | nevyn | deckrider: glxgears works in software it's a pretty simplistic glx application |
| 12:41.55 | deckrider | nevyn: I seem to get as many fps as on another machine I have on which tuxracer works |
| 12:41.58 | nevyn | deckrider: tuxracer will work but be choppy and horrible. |
| 12:42.05 | Chameleon22 | streuner: you sooooo funny, |
| 12:42.06 | deckrider | nevyn: right, this is how it is now |
| 12:42.21 | streuner | Chameleon22: You are clueless |
| 12:42.30 | jethro | !lart Chameleon22 |
| 12:42.40 | streuner | Chameleon22: ubuntu is NOT debian |
| 12:42.40 | nevyn | deckrider: run glxgears -fps |
| 12:42.44 | nevyn | on both machines |
| 12:42.59 | Chameleon22 | streuner: REALLY! i'ed never guess, fuck me ! |
| 12:43.00 | Chameleon22 | ROFL |
| 12:43.02 | Chameleon22 | you spazz |
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| 12:43.07 | deckrider | nevyn: ok, other machine is powered off, will take a minute or so |
| 12:43.07 | jethro | !moron Chameleon22 |
| 12:43.08 | dpkg | Chameleon22: You are moron #15 |
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| 12:43.19 | frederic | deckrider, how many fps @ glxgear ? |
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| 12:43.29 | nevyn | deckrider: but if you don't have hardware acceleration tuxracer is gonna suck. |
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| 12:44.12 | streuner | !dict spazz |
| 12:44.14 | dpkg | could not find definition for spazz |
| 12:44.19 | jethro | some moron slang I d say |
| 12:44.28 | streuner | hm |
| 12:44.28 | Lord-Cereburus | guys, have a quick question, i downloaded virgin kernel src's, is there anything i need to do to make them debian compatible? or is compiling them with make-kpkg enugh? |
| 12:44.31 | SlayerXP | spaz |
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| 12:44.37 | streuner | !dict spaz |
| 12:44.39 | dpkg | could not find definition for spaz |
| 12:44.40 | SlayerXP | abbreviation of "spastic" |
| 12:44.49 | SlayerXP | contraction of, anyway |
| 12:44.53 | streuner | ah |
| 12:45.10 | citral | maybe something that have to do with the german "spass" word, who knows |
| 12:46.04 | jethro | can't get a definition of spastic either |
| 12:46.09 | Chameleon22 | streuner: you really think i am going to get into an argument over this with you.... you really need to get a life, maybe even a gf , you do know what a real woman looks like ye ? |
| 12:46.17 | jethro | hi asg |
| 12:46.26 | jethro | Chameleon22: just sftu |
| 12:46.32 | citral | Chameleon22: stfu k thx |
| 12:46.35 | asg | jethro: hiya |
| 12:46.36 | nevyn | Chameleon22: that's not helpful and he's correct. |
| 12:46.52 | nevyn | Chameleon22: ubuntu != debian so go ask ubuntu people for help. |
| 12:46.59 | jethro | damn ubuntroll |
| 12:47.04 | citral | heh |
| 12:47.11 | Lord-Cereburus | lol |
| 12:47.19 | Chameleon22 | what that this is not ubuntu channel... obviousely, but it was a general compilation question |
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| 12:47.34 | Chameleon22 | actually i run debian as well, just prefer ubuntu on desktop |
| 12:47.39 | jethro | Chameleon22: general compilation question for a problem occuring on an ubuntu system, now just leave or stfu |
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| 12:47.58 | nevyn | it's not a general compilation problem if it works on debian and doesn't work on ubuntu. |
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| 12:48.11 | jethro | it reminds me on the sco user willing to get support for he is a debian user too |
| 12:48.37 | Chameleon22 | well thought you might help... oh well no point asking a bunch of arseholes who get into distro war |
| 12:48.44 | deckrider | frederic, nevyn: 624 fps on one with nvidia, 546 on the other with vesa |
| 12:48.47 | jethro | Chameleon22: just fucking read the topic |
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| 12:49.03 | jethro | Chameleon22: #debian is about volunteering support for the debian distribution |
| 12:49.18 | Chameleon22 | jethro: stfu i wasnt talking to you |
| 12:49.25 | jethro | Chameleon22: not about helping all sort of tards running distros different than debian |
| 12:49.28 | deckrider | nevyn: but the one with vesa says missing dri extension when starting glxgears |
| 12:49.34 | jethro | Chameleon22: I m educating you |
| 12:49.40 | Chameleon22 | err ubuntutroll, smiteubuntu .... sounds like you boys dont like ubuntu |
| 12:49.45 | nevyn | deckrider: right. |
| 12:49.51 | Delph | Chameleon22: no, we don't like people who ask *us* for ubuntu support =:) |
| 12:49.55 | Lord-Cereburus | Chameleon22: you really think anyone is going to help you if you continue being so rude? |
| 12:49.58 | citral | Chameleon22: we hate it. go away, now! |
| 12:50.01 | jethro | Chameleon22: we don't like it because we have plenty of tards like you asking for ubuntu support because it's based on debian |
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| 12:50.22 | frederic | deckrider, i think it could be enough. but i've got a friend with me who cant play in vesamode. i just reply what he said me =)... 600 fps is not very big. is that cause you have a slow computer ? |
| 12:50.26 | deckrider | nevyn: so missing dri is not fixable and tuxracer needs that (checking my assumptions)? |
| 12:50.27 | jethro | Chameleon22: and it's ubuntusmite, for the record |
| 12:50.32 | Chameleon22 | jethro: so.. help is help |
| 12:50.36 | jethro | Chameleon22: no |
| 12:50.41 | jethro | Chameleon22: being on topic is being on topic |
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| 12:50.50 | jethro | Chameleon22: being off topic means you won't get much help |
| 12:50.53 | nevyn | deckrider: use the video driver for the card if it supports acceleration in some fashion |
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| 12:50.59 | jethro | Chameleon22: did you get the point now? |
| 12:51.02 | citral | Chameleon22: we can't help you, we don't even know what gcc version ubuntu has and so |
| 12:51.02 | streuner | Chameleon22: Its a difference between help or support... |
| 12:51.03 | nevyn | deckrider: what's the card in the machine that's using vesa? |
| 12:51.09 | deckrider | frederic: the nvidia 624 works fine for me |
| 12:51.17 | Chameleon22 | jethro: its not the point, there is a polite way to say what you said and a rude one |
| 12:51.29 | jethro | Chameleon22: yeah now lets argue on who started it |
| 12:51.30 | jethro | sucker |
| 12:51.35 | streuner | Chameleon22: We supprot _debian_ not ubuntu, not knoppix or something else |
| 12:51.36 | deckrider | nevyn: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 12:51.43 | ick | to debian or to ubuntu that is the question ! |
| 12:51.45 | nevyn | sigh. |
| 12:51.56 | nevyn | we have no acceleration fro the I915 afaik.. |
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| 12:51.57 | asg | ick: a rhetorical question |
| 12:52.06 | jethro | indeed |
| 12:52.20 | deckrider | nevyn: ok, that was my assumption, but wanted to be certain before I gave up |
| 12:52.54 | Chameleon22 | eh any way ... |
| 12:52.55 | ick | distrowatch has the anser |
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| 12:53.09 | ick | hehe |
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| 12:53.31 | ick | hi all ! |
| 12:53.39 | ick | peeps |
| 12:53.54 | asg | !qotd29 |
| 12:53.54 | dpkg | < ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q |
| 12:54.07 | citral | it's not because people in #ubuntu are unable to help the others, that ubuntu users must come here with their crap. If you want real support, run debian. |
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| 12:54.13 | Lord-Cereburus | so anyhow, do i need to patch the kernel src in anyway to have it compile properly? |
| 12:54.19 | petemc | Lord-Cereburus: no |
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| 12:54.28 | Lord-Cereburus | mmk ^^ |
| 12:55.22 | nevyn | Lord-Cereburus: do you have the required libraries? |
| 12:55.36 | deckrider | frederic, nevyn: thanks for helping |
| 12:55.40 | citral | Lord-Cereburus: did you first read what it yells? |
| 12:55.44 | petemc | Lord-Cereburus: debian provides prepackaged kernels if you find compiling your own problematic, its is relatively easy tho |
| 12:55.50 | Lord-Cereburus | nevyn: yes, compiled the kernel last week, did a distupgrade, and now its having compiling issues |
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| 12:55.57 | frederic | deckrider, np mate=) |
| 12:56.04 | nevyn | Lord-Cereburus: gcc probably moved a little. |
| 12:56.10 | Lord-Cereburus | thats what i'm thinking |
| 12:56.22 | nevyn | Lord-Cereburus: gimme a pastebin url with the error. |
| 12:56.26 | jethro | oh my |
| 12:56.30 | jethro | I forgot one thing |
| 12:56.34 | nevyn | remember it's the first error that matters. |
| 12:56.34 | jethro | !pal Chameleon22 |
| 12:56.38 | Lord-Cereburus | starting to wonder if i should just ditch 2.4.18 and move on with the new versions hehe |
| 12:56.48 | nevyn | ummm.. |
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| 12:57.03 | nevyn | 2.4.18 is like 6 minor versions of 2.4 out of date. |
| 12:57.14 | Lord-Cereburus | yep |
| 12:57.25 | nevyn | why? |
| 12:57.26 | nevyn | WHY? |
| 12:57.31 | Lord-Cereburus | downloading 2.6.11 |
| 12:57.35 | Lord-Cereburus | i just havnt had time... |
| 12:57.36 | jethro | Lord-Cereburus: why don't you install a kernel-image? |
| 12:57.37 | solemnwarning | whats the command to add a quota? |
| 12:57.39 | nevyn | umm don't do that. |
| 12:57.42 | solemnwarning | user quota btw |
| 12:57.48 | Chameleon22 | jethro: i feel sorry for you, get a life rather then arguing on irc |
| 12:57.58 | Lord-Cereburus | jethro: need to config the kernel to my needs |
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| 12:58.08 | nevyn | Lord-Cereburus: be aware that 2.6 needs a newer modutils than is availible in woody. |
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| 12:58.15 | Lord-Cereburus | hmm |
| 12:58.23 | jethro | Chameleon22: yeah, I ll get a life, and you'll get clues ;) |
| 12:58.27 | streuner | Chameleon22: install debian |
| 12:58.33 | citral | get a clue |
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| 12:58.34 | Chameleon22 | jethro: heh |
| 12:58.43 | Lord-Cereburus | what are your thoughts on 2.4.30 then? |
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| 12:59.01 | Chameleon22 | streuner: as i said before, i ave both , debian on a server and kubuntu on workstation |
| 12:59.02 | nevyn | Lord-Cereburus: you're using woody? |
| 12:59.12 | Lord-Cereburus | nevyn: yes |
| 12:59.13 | Zekan_ | hello |
| 12:59.28 | nevyn | ~tell Lord-Cereburus about woody 2.6 |
| 12:59.29 | idc | I am having a little problem about sound |
| 12:59.31 | Delph | Chameleon22: are you still going on about this? I even walked to work in the time it's taken. |
| 12:59.34 | Chameleon22 | citral: awww you need sme attention... butting in all the time, fuck of rofl |
| 12:59.40 | nevyn | Lord-Cereburus: there are a couple of options |
| 12:59.47 | Chameleon22 | Delph: not really |
| 12:59.53 | greycat | Chameleon22: could you *possibly* be any dumber? |
| 13:00.04 | Chameleon22 | greycat: ofcourse |
| 13:00.05 | citral | a bit tard |
| 13:00.05 | nevyn | Chameleon22: shut up already seriously.. you're just being disruptive. |
| 13:00.43 | nevyn | Lord-Cereburus: so there's that option |
| 13:00.46 | idc | In Xmms,i am seeing its playing no problem,but i hear nothing ,,well,on windows,by default after installed driver for my sound card,i have to change the output to headphone mode,cuz i connected my sound to headphone mode |
| 13:00.54 | idc | in debian,how do i change that ? |
| 13:01.02 | nevyn | Lord-Cereburus: there's always the debian kernels which have backported fixes for known problems |
| 13:01.08 | citral | idc: alsamixer |
| 13:01.17 | nevyn | and there's a "current" 2.4.30 |
| 13:01.32 | Lord-Cereburus | nevyn: kernel-source from apt is sufficient? |
| 13:01.41 | idc | citral, no such package found |
| 13:01.44 | nevyn | I personally like 2.6 I thought the entire 2.4 series was a train wreck. |
| 13:01.57 | citral | idc: that's a command... |
| 13:02.04 | idc | oh.wait |
| 13:02.05 | citral | idc: are you running sarge? |
| 13:02.07 | nevyn | 2.6 has it's issues but seems much better. |
| 13:02.10 | idc | citral, yes,sarge |
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| 13:02.21 | jethro | hello Guerin |
| 13:02.27 | idc | bash: alsamixer: command not found |
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| 13:02.41 | citral | idc: so you have alsamixer (in case not, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils) |
| 13:02.42 | nevyn | the only major problem I continue to have with 2.6 is starvation where I type a command like vim and it takes 10+seconds to fork |
| 13:02.44 | streuner | !tell idc about search |
| 13:02.44 | why-oh-why | What's the best way to iron trousers? |
| 13:02.48 | Lord-Cereburus | hmm, latest i see on apt(testing branch) is 2.4.27, but even that i'll be happy with |
| 13:02.56 | asg | why-oh-why: buy wrinkle free ones |
| 13:02.59 | jethro | why-oh-why: weiring a fur string |
| 13:03.06 | why-oh-why | asg - I can't, I have "chinos" |
| 13:03.06 | jethro | wearing even |
| 13:03.16 | asg | why-oh-why: #laundry-tips |
| 13:03.21 | why-oh-why | no asg |
| 13:03.27 | asg | yes |
| 13:03.35 | nevyn | !tell Lord-Cereburus about woody 2.6 |
| 13:03.38 | Guerin | ok, i'm running an x server locally, using X -query. How possible/easy is it to have audio play on the local machine, not the remote one? |
| 13:03.52 | Guerin | sorry, an x server locally, everything else remotely |
| 13:03.56 | jethro | Guerin: esd? |
| 13:04.02 | citral | yeah esd |
| 13:04.07 | idc | streuner, thanks |
| 13:04.07 | nevyn | so you have an Xterminal |
| 13:04.11 | Guerin | oh, a use for esd!!? |
| 13:04.15 | jethro | :) |
| 13:04.23 | Lord-Cereburus | is the woddy/sarge upgrade complicated? |
| 13:04.25 | nevyn | Guerin: arts can do this as can [e|a]sd |
| 13:04.30 | jethro | Lord-Cereburus: not realy |
| 13:04.35 | citral | Lord-Cereburus: painless |
| 13:04.48 | Guerin | hrm, if arts can do it i might just use that, since this is my wife's box and she likes kde |
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| 13:04.50 | nevyn | Lord-Cereburus: I don't reccomend woody for workstations any longer. |
| 13:04.57 | Lord-Cereburus | mmmk, i'll go take a look for some documentation on it |
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| 13:05.09 | Lord-Cereburus | tis for a server |
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| 13:05.14 | nevyn | Guerin: I did this with kde for ages. |
| 13:05.35 | nevyn | Lord-Cereburus: for servers if you can stick with woody.. sarge should be out RSN |
| 13:05.39 | umbop | hmm is there a channel for windows managers? |
| 13:05.53 | Lord-Cereburus | ah ok |
| 13:05.54 | umbop | i.e. configuring / different ones etc |
| 13:05.55 | Guerin | umbop: #phb |
| 13:05.57 | streuner | umbop: there are a number of channels... |
| 13:06.04 | idc | citral, yeah,now in alsamixer,but where to switch sound channel from speaker mode to headphone mode ? |
| 13:06.09 | citral | #wm-wars |
| 13:06.10 | greycat | umbop: just ask your question, whatever it may be |
| 13:06.11 | Guerin | oh, my bad, I thought you actually meant Managers |
| 13:06.12 | streuner | umbop: which one do you use? |
| 13:06.19 | Lord-Cereburus | i'll get the 2.4.27 kernel source then |
| 13:06.20 | greycat | Guerin: "windows managers" vs. "window managers" |
| 13:06.22 | ick | i ear blackbox is being ported to windows |
| 13:06.27 | ick | hehe |
| 13:06.29 | idc | My sound ,physically,have 4 output port,i manually connected it to headphone port |
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| 13:06.38 | umbop | well i was wondering to gather informatino really on which one is the most beneficial, unclutted / faster / neater etc |
| 13:06.39 | citral | idc: unmute the headphone channel, and raise the volume? |
| 13:06.43 | Lord-Cereburus | i have my kernel config saved, (from menuconfig) will that be accurate enugh to import with little modification? |
| 13:06.44 | umbop | s/wondering/wanting/ |
| 13:06.45 | idc | it is a 4.1 sound card |
| 13:06.55 | streuner | !window manager |
| 13:06.55 | dpkg | window manager is, like, includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 13:06.59 | greycat | !start a wm war |
| 13:06.59 | dpkg | metacity bites! |
| 13:07.03 | nevyn | Lord-Cereburus: sarge has become mostly stablised but there are still some remaining questions about testing-security afaik (if this is out of date someone please correct me) |
| 13:07.15 | streuner | umbop: pick one, the most are very fine |
| 13:07.18 | ick | ICEwm is the best |
| 13:07.27 | citral | fluxbox owns. |
| 13:07.32 | umbop | so does it boil down to personal preference? |
| 13:07.37 | jethro | indeed |
| 13:07.47 | citral | no, fluxbox is just the best. |
| 13:07.50 | umbop | hmm and kde is a desktop / windows manager? |
| 13:07.55 | ick | havent you eard that blackbox is being ported to windows ? |
| 13:08.00 | jethro | umbop: it's a desktop environment |
| 13:08.07 | asg | ick: why would we care? |
| 13:08.11 | streuner | umbop: the same as GNOME |
| 13:08.13 | idc | citral, sorry,but which key to do 'unmute' ? |
| 13:08.15 | nevyn | umbop: absolutely. |
| 13:08.29 | citral | idc: man oh man, "m". |
| 13:08.30 | idc | i can use arrow key to switch in items in alsamix pannel |
| 13:08.33 | CAiRO | how can i configure postfix to send error messages to the address in the FROM field instead of the address of the current user? (ie i want to achieve that error messages for emails sent by www-data go to the correct person) |
| 13:08.49 | nevyn | umbop: there are a few desktop environments (these provide window management, a file browser, a web browser calender etc..) |
| 13:08.49 | citral | idc: "m", like the first letter of "mute". |
| 13:08.55 | Lord-Cereburus | alright guys, i'll give this a shot, thanks all for your advice :) |
| 13:09.02 | umbop | nevyn: but they are also windows managers |
| 13:09.04 | umbop | ? |
| 13:09.05 | nevyn | umbop:xfce,kde, gnome are examples of that |
| 13:09.10 | ick | is opera8 in debian ? |
| 13:09.14 | nevyn | umbop: no they have a window manager as part of them. |
| 13:09.14 | jethro | citral: it's rather implicit i'd say :) |
| 13:09.16 | asg | CAiRO: #postfix |
| 13:09.24 | umbop | nevyn: oh, so what windows manager do they sit on? |
| 13:09.27 | PerfDave | ick: Uhm, opera 8 isn't Free, is it? |
| 13:09.29 | citral | jethro: *should* be yes... |
| 13:09.33 | citral | sigh |
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| 13:09.36 | citral | :) |
| 13:09.38 | nevyn | kde has kwin, gnome has metacity, xfce has xfwm |
| 13:09.39 | streuner | ick: nope |
| 13:09.40 | ick | isnt there a non-free debian ? |
| 13:09.51 | PerfDave | ick: Yes, but you can't put just anything in there. |
| 13:09.56 | umbop | ahh i see |
| 13:09.59 | clown_ | lo, what could be a reason that a package is available in stable (e.g. woody) and not in testing? |
| 13:10.09 | Lord-Cereburus | cya later |
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| 13:10.12 | asg | clown_: /msg dpkg why is <pkg> not in testing |
| 13:10.21 | jonathh | can anyone tell me if there are any advantages between using a pop3 daemon that can authenticate directly weith ldap over one that uses PAM and an ldap plugin? |
| 13:10.25 | nevyn | but the point is it's a desktop environment not just a window manager. |
| 13:10.28 | umbop | but inevitably, when you start to configure say fluxbox, or whatever, you would end up configuring a desktop environment? |
| 13:10.37 | nevyn | enlightenment is pretty close to an environemnt |
| 13:10.40 | nevyn | umbop: nope. |
| 13:10.44 | umbop | hmm |
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| 13:10.50 | asg | jonathh: if you use pam, you can authenticate against multiple stores. |
| 13:10.59 | ick | enlightenmt is good ? |
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| 13:11.04 | nevyn | umbop: it still only provides things that are a window managers domain. |
| 13:11.12 | jonathh | so is it better to use the pam route? |
| 13:11.14 | jethro | ick: good or bad is a personnal feeling |
| 13:11.22 | asg | jonathh: it is more versatile |
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| 13:11.30 | jonathh | excellent. |
| 13:11.36 | nevyn | umbop: the thing is that a window manager is one piece of software. (excluding pagers and that sort of little thing) |
| 13:11.36 | jonathh | can you suggest one in particular? |
| 13:11.36 | asg | jonathh: try them both and decide based on your current and future requirements though. |
| 13:11.51 | jonathh | i have short listed to dovecot and courier-imap |
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| 13:11.55 | idc | citral, i still can't hear anything but its playing i m seeing it in xmms :( |
| 13:12.05 | asg | jonathh: sounds good. You might look at binc also |
| 13:12.08 | nevyn | and a desktop environement is a suite of software.. (terminal emulators web/file browsers pannels etc) |
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| 13:12.22 | leafred | hello, i'm searching for a debian package with php - ssl enabled package |
| 13:12.24 | ick | turn up the volume |
| 13:12.25 | jethro | I ve hgad issues with dovecot and mail.app in os x, so I ll stick to courier-imap |
| 13:12.26 | leafred | (sorry for the 'question again) |
| 13:12.28 | clown_ | asg, thanks, strangely enuf, the site says it *is* in testing. The package I am referring to is 'dump'. |
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| 13:12.34 | jonathh | well pam has got to be the most future proved |
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| 13:12.41 | streuner | leafred: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:12.43 | asg | !+find dump sarge |
| 13:12.45 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'dump' (14): bluez-hcidump ;; dhcpdump ;; dump ;; dumpasn1 ;; dumputils ;; libdata-dumper-simple-perl ;; libdevel-symdump-perl ;; libxml-dumper-perl ;; pdumpfs ;; pgpdump ;; ssldump ;; tcpdump ;; webmin-fsdump ;; xfsdump. |
| 13:12.46 | jonathh | can binc doing pop3 and imap? |
| 13:12.53 | asg | !+info dump sarge |
| 13:12.55 | dpkg | dump: (4.4bsd dump and restore for ext2 filesystems), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.4b37-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 229 kB, Installed size: 620 kB |
| 13:13.01 | jethro | it *is* intesting |
| 13:13.02 | umbop | ok but web browsers, and terminal emulators etc, would sit on top of the windows manager you would have configured, i.e. fluxbox, no? otherwise, they'd be no point in a windows manager? |
| 13:13.03 | leafred | streuner: it does nothing |
| 13:13.08 | ick | is sarge gona be released has stable soon ? |
| 13:13.16 | clown_ | asg, I see. |
| 13:13.17 | streuner | !search |
| 13:13.19 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search ... |
| 13:13.22 | jethro | ick: /m dpkg wwsr |
| 13:13.26 | citral | idc: if alsamixer doesn't do it, I'm afraid you'll have to google. there are specific redirections possible with .libao or such. |
| 13:13.30 | asg | clown_: my latest updated sarge box indicates it is available also. |
| 13:14.03 | idc | citral, okay ,let me try |
| 13:14.05 | nevyn | umbop: they don't sit on top of the window managers at all |
| 13:14.12 | ick | i bet debian folks must put software thru plenting of tests before they admit it has stable ?! |
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| 13:14.17 | umbop | but you can access them via the windows manager |
| 13:14.22 | citral | ick: indeed |
| 13:14.30 | nevyn | umbop: but you don't have to. |
| 13:14.36 | greycat | umbop: WINDOW manager. |
| 13:14.40 | nevyn | hence they're not ontop |
| 13:14.46 | idc | in xmms,i select either alsa or lib oss output,both work though |
| 13:14.48 | ick | or mabey theyr just under payed and lazy |
| 13:14.49 | greycat | a "Windows manager" is a manager of Microsoft Windows systems. |
| 13:14.59 | nevyn | ummm... |
| 13:15.02 | pandeng82 | ^ |
| 13:15.03 | nevyn | greycat: ummm.... |
| 13:15.04 | ick | what tests do they preform ? |
| 13:15.10 | jethro | do they manage anything? |
| 13:15.18 | asg | Windows Manager == PHB |
| 13:15.21 | nevyn | greycat: Microsoft? what have they to do with anything in this discussion? |
| 13:15.24 | greycat | asg: precisely. |
| 13:15.31 | greycat | nevyn: he keeps misspelling "window manager" |
| 13:15.43 | nevyn | ah. |
| 13:15.45 | greycat | nevyn: it's like saying "bricks layer" instead of "brick layer". Just *really* fucking annoying. |
| 13:15.54 | umbop | lol sorry |
| 13:16.16 | citral | phb = Polyhydroxybutyrate |
| 13:16.21 | jethro | yay, freebsd now has its mandriva too |
| 13:16.23 | ick | fucking isnt annoying |
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| 13:16.51 | ick | is it ? |
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| 13:17.09 | nevyn | anyway |
| 13:17.11 | ick | feaking peeps |
| 13:17.13 | jethro | depends on who you're fgucking with |
| 13:17.16 | ick | haxors |
| 13:17.22 | ick | DIE BASTARDS |
| 13:17.31 | ick | LOL! |
| 13:17.44 | greycat | ick: were you banned yesterday? |
| 13:17.50 | nevyn | the window manager manages windows and provides menus.. and provides policy because X explicitly doesn't. |
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| 13:17.52 | ick | some ppl just have to much power on theyr hands |
| 13:18.05 | abrotman | greycat: you'd hope so :) |
| 13:18.15 | greycat | I remember someone from .pt who acted just like you... |
| 13:18.21 | greycat | but I don't remember the nick |
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| 13:18.34 | streuner | yeah idefix :-) |
| 13:18.41 | abrotman | ideafix? |
| 13:18.47 | greycat | !seen ideafix |
| 13:18.47 | streuner | or that one... |
| 13:18.47 | dpkg | ideafix <~luser@a83-132-100-209.netcabo.pt> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 29m 51s ago, saying: 'i need to give last rites to my old computer'. |
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| 13:19.09 | streuner | the same IP :-) |
| 13:19.14 | greycat | same *range* |
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| 13:19.16 | ick | what a funny dude that ideafix :p |
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| 13:19.35 | abrotman | i thought he wsa a complete moron |
| 13:19.38 | abrotman | ... |
| 13:19.56 | ick | go learn to speel |
| 13:20.02 | JediMaster | completely random one... anyone know if it's possible to use fingerprint scanners on linux, e.g. to log in to kde/unlock screensaver etc? |
| 13:20.19 | abrotman | ick: you mean type? |
| 13:20.47 | ick | you cant even type your won nick |
| 13:20.50 | ick | ffs |
| 13:20.56 | umbop | hmm, the terminology between desktop environment, and window environment, is a bit vague. I understand that a window manager manages the windows, menus as you've suggested, through the X server. But a desktop itself, does having icons on your window, make it a desktop? |
| 13:21.07 | abrotman | that worked well .. |
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| 13:21.32 | nevyn | umbop: it's more of a blurry continum than a sharp line in reality |
| 13:21.40 | abrotman | think of a rainbow :) |
| 13:21.46 | greycat | nobody has ever come up with a good definition of "desktop environment" except "it's like a WM, but bigger and slower and shinier" |
| 13:22.02 | nevyn | greycat: with more features. |
| 13:22.05 | abrotman | it has .. frills :) |
| 13:22.06 | citral | and buggier |
| 13:22.11 | nevyn | hrm.. |
| 13:22.14 | clojster | I need someone who knows a lot about torsmo |
| 13:22.29 | ick | buggier = funnyer |
| 13:22.33 | nevyn | and implements things that should be at a lower level (like vfs's) |
| 13:22.33 | umbop | well i feel more educated on it anyway |
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| 13:22.38 | streuner | clojster: i know nothing, iam an user, but ask. |
| 13:22.43 | umbop | i had read definitions, but i got no further in understanding the major differences |
| 13:23.02 | nevyn | umbop: for example.. twm is a window manager no question.. |
| 13:23.29 | nevyn | kwin, metacity, fvwm are a window managers |
| 13:23.33 | ick | DE = german |
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| 13:23.56 | abrotman | and you can use a window manager with a desktop .. gnome allows you to use blackbox/metacity/sawfish.etc |
| 13:23.57 | asg | DE = Delaware |
| 13:24.09 | greycat | de.us = delaware |
| 13:24.15 | nevyn | enlightenment/windowmaker is more of a desktop environemnt (epplets/dock apps eterm etc) |
| 13:24.19 | clojster | streuner: ok, I need to exec tail in my torsmorc so I don't have to use root-tail, but Is there a way to have that exec parameter on different position on screen than whole torsmo things? |
| 13:24.21 | jethro | damn it most of the definitions I can find for DE suck goats |
| 13:24.22 | ick | KDE is from delaware ? |
| 13:24.30 | greycat | heh |
| 13:24.35 | asg | might as well be |
| 13:24.45 | abrotman | and all the credit card offers |
| 13:24.45 | nevyn | and kde/gnome/xfce are full heavy desktop environments |
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| 13:24.47 | petemc | i got some cheap clothes in delaware |
| 13:24.50 | ick | you mean del a ware ? |
| 13:24.50 | greycat | most US companies are chartered under Delaware law for tax purposes |
| 13:24.57 | abrotman | i wouldn't say xfce is heavy |
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| 13:25.09 | citral | just ugly |
| 13:25.09 | abrotman | petemc: everything is tax free .. about 50 miles from my place :) |
| 13:25.12 | streuner | clojster: its a bad idea to 'exec' in torsmo according what is in .torsmorc ... |
| 13:25.14 | bsphere | im running gnome on sarge, and some of my nfs mounts are missing (as desktop icons), where do i configure which mounts will show as desktop icons ?" |
| 13:25.19 | nevyn | (panels/terminals/web browsers etc) |
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| 13:25.27 | umbop | so basically, for speed, i would be better off, avoiding desktop environments, and sticking to window managers |
| 13:25.33 | ick | i thought they was from panama |
| 13:25.37 | greycat | umbop: yes |
| 13:25.42 | abrotman | umbop: depends on the speed of your computer |
| 13:25.51 | abrotman | umbop: how fast/much ram? |
| 13:25.54 | clojster | streuner: ${execi 1 ps --sort -pcpu x -eo user,pid,pcpu,comm|head -7} |
| 13:26.04 | clojster | streuner: why is it bad idea? |
| 13:26.13 | umbop | 512ram, amd64 can't remember cpu speed |
| 13:26.13 | petemc | abrotman: handy enough :) its over 2000 mails from house, across a large body of water |
| 13:26.17 | streuner | clojster: that's a bad idea either... |
| 13:26.23 | umbop | 1.8gb? |
| 13:26.25 | umbop | i think |
| 13:26.27 | abrotman | umbop: christ .. you'll be fine with anything you choose .. |
| 13:26.36 | streuner | clojster: 'execi' is to run a extern .sh file |
| 13:26.38 | citral | umbop: basically, a desktop environment we'll probably be fine if you are a newbie, and have a good machine (like 1400+ and 256-512 RAM) In any other case, you'll probably prefer a wm |
| 13:26.42 | petemc | s/mails/miles. |
| 13:26.43 | abrotman | petemc: mails? |
| 13:26.44 | petemc | gah |
| 13:26.44 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:26.52 | petemc | :0 |
| 13:26.55 | abrotman | petemc: big envelopes eh? |
| 13:27.01 | clojster | streuner: oh, that was different one... but anyway. Why is it bad? Do you have better solution? |
| 13:27.02 | petemc | gargantuan |
| 13:27.06 | nevyn | hrm.. |
| 13:27.12 | umbop | fair enough ;-) i am familiar with unix, but without the X environment really |
| 13:27.22 | umbop | i.e. just mainframe servers |
| 13:27.29 | streuner | clojster: well, make your own script and use 'execi' |
| 13:27.31 | nevyn | the main thing I use a de for is the vfs. |
| 13:27.38 | abrotman | umbop: you will be more than fine running kde or gnome .. the two largest/bloated environments(except for XP of course) |
| 13:27.46 | ick | umbop are you blind ? |
| 13:27.50 | nevyn | being able to drag files to an icon and install them on my old wince device is neat. |
| 13:28.06 | clojster | streuner: ok, but what about that "tail" thing? |
| 13:28.08 | ick | umbop: is being keept in the dark ages |
| 13:28.28 | nevyn | and kfish |
| 13:28.36 | bsphere | im running gnome on sarge, and some of my nfs mounts are missing (as desktop icons), where do i configure which mounts will show as desktop icons ?" |
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| 13:28.38 | [sr] | hi |
| 13:28.46 | umbop | anyway guys, much appreciated on the help! must eat now though ;-) |
| 13:28.47 | [sr] | does anyone has an source to sources.list |
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| 13:28.52 | [sr] | to have my gnome updated? |
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| 13:29.03 | Pietje_Prik | hi all! |
| 13:29.03 | jethro | updated to what? |
| 13:29.06 | abrotman | updated to what? |
| 13:29.06 | [sr] | i'm using unstable but... gnome's still 2.8 |
| 13:29.10 | jethro | !tell [sr] -about enter |
| 13:29.11 | nevyn | [sr]: to what from what? |
| 13:29.16 | streuner | clojster: why not just use root-tail? |
| 13:29.21 | abrotman | [sr]: because gnome2.10 hasn't entered sid yet .. be patient |
| 13:29.25 | citral | !info gnome sid |
| 13:29.35 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel experimental |
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| 13:29.42 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.1-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 364 kB, Installed size: 856 kB |
| 13:29.42 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 64 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 13:29.46 | abrotman | citral: gnome is a metapackage |
| 13:29.46 | ick | you have to go into testing to get 2.10 :-) |
| 13:29.50 | citral | oh yeah |
| 13:29.54 | abrotman | ick: shut up |
| 13:30.05 | ick | wtf |
| 13:30.06 | resiak | !topicsmite [sr] |
| 13:30.07 | Pietje_Prik | hi, i'm currently downloading the latest stable version of Debian (n00b), what CD's do i need to install without internet connection? |
| 13:30.09 | ick | why ? |
| 13:30.10 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon [sr]. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:30.17 | citral | ick: you don't have a clue |
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| 13:30.22 | ick | i do |
| 13:30.22 | clojster | streuner: because I want to get rid of flickering of torsmo, so I need to enable double buffer. And with that option root-tail don't work |
| 13:30.24 | abrotman | either you're stupid .. or a troll |
| 13:30.26 | resiak | ick: 2.10 is not in any bit of Debian ATM. |
| 13:30.30 | abrotman | resiak: exp |
| 13:30.34 | ick | yes it is |
| 13:30.38 | jethro | Pietje_Prik: cd1 should be enough |
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| 13:30.43 | Pietje_Prik | only? |
| 13:30.43 | mejo | hello |
| 13:30.43 | ick | its soon to be in testing |
| 13:30.46 | PerfDave | resiak: Uhm, Gnome 2.10 is in experimental now, according to the latest DWN. |
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| 13:30.50 | abrotman | ick: stop fucking lying |
| 13:30.51 | Pietje_Prik | and that has all the software I need? |
| 13:31.00 | ick | ive read it on debian news |
| 13:31.01 | resiak | PerfDave: Sssh. |
| 13:31.08 | ick | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.14 | streuner | clojster: surely torsmo have still bugs, and one of them to handle 'exec' |
| 13:31.19 | abrotman | just kill him |
| 13:31.21 | resiak | PerfDave: You had to complicate matters, didn't you? |
| 13:31.29 | nevyn | ick: you need experimental for gnome 2.10 if it's even there |
| 13:31.32 | abrotman | resiak: i already did .. see above with dpkg and gnome panel |
| 13:31.40 | clojster | streuner: so? |
| 13:31.41 | citral | !kill ick |
| 13:31.41 | ick | it in sid |
| 13:31.42 | mejo | how can i stop ppp/pppoe from updating my resolv.conf at dail-in? i've a local dnsserver running, and i would like to keep this on in resolv.conf instead of using the ones by the provider. |
| 13:31.44 | resiak | abrotman: Bad boy. |
| 13:31.46 | nevyn | ick: gnome 2.10 better not go into testing. |
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| 13:31.49 | resiak | ick: It's not in sid. |
| 13:31.50 | ick | read debian new ffs |
| 13:31.50 | abrotman | nevyn: it's not |
| 13:31.56 | resiak | !info gnome-panel sid |
| 13:31.58 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
| 13:32.04 | abrotman | resiak: experimental |
| 13:32.04 | resiak | OMG! It's 2.6! |
| 13:32.04 | citral | ick: re-read dwn ffs |
| 13:32.06 | resiak | OMG! It's 2.6.8! |
| 13:32.13 | resiak | abrotman: I know. I was answering ick |
| 13:32.14 | streuner | clojster: the flikering comes mostly according to my experience, if you use a script which doesn't work correctly ... |
| 13:32.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:32.27 | ick | unubtu has 2.10 :-) |
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| 13:32.34 | citral | here we go |
| 13:32.35 | resiak | ick: Fuck off. |
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| 13:32.39 | citral | \o/ |
| 13:32.45 | ick | its tru |
| 13:32.48 | ick | its true |
| 13:32.49 | clojster | streuner: but it flickers even if I don't have any exec in it |
| 13:32.50 | abrotman | we don't fucking care |
| 13:32.55 | resiak | ick: It's offtopic. Go away, troll. |
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| 13:33.02 | ick | LOL |
| 13:33.05 | streuner | clojster: what does BTS say? |
| 13:33.13 | ick | nutards |
| 13:33.17 | nevyn | ick: it is true. the sarge release has hurt debian massivly we're kinda bitter about it. |
| 13:33.20 | abrotman | resiak: hold me .. i'm going to cry |
| 13:33.21 | clojster | streuner: I can send you torsmorc if you....... what? BTS? |
| 13:33.23 | ick | nutards wone irc |
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| 13:33.32 | bsphere | im running gnome on sarge, and some of my nfs mounts are missing (as desktop icons), where do i configure which mounts will show as desktop icons ?" |
| 13:33.38 | jethro | !tell clojster -about bts |
| 13:33.39 | streuner | clojster: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 13:33.41 | greycat | ick: last warning. stop being a troll. |
| 13:33.50 | abrotman | has he been anything but? |
| 13:33.50 | ick | stop being a gnome |
| 13:33.58 | ick | grow up |
| 13:34.04 | abrotman | me? |
| 13:34.18 | clojster | streuner: Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 13:34.18 | clojster | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 13:34.18 | clojster | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 13:34.18 | clojster | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 13:34.18 | clojster | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 13:34.19 | clojster | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 13:34.28 | citral | ... |
| 13:34.31 | streuner | hm |
| 13:34.36 | citral | I thought it was wednesday |
| 13:34.36 | asg | someone needs to 'man grep' |
| 13:34.49 | greycat | or just not paste the whole bleedin' thing. |
| 13:34.51 | jethro | !sing wednesday |
| 13:34.51 | dpkg | Nothing here to fear / I'm just sitting around / Being foolish when / There is work to be done |
| 13:34.59 | citral | heh |
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| 13:35.55 | streuner | well, in 80 % of all cases, the people don't flood... |
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| 13:36.50 | jethro | streuner : don't underestimate human stupidity |
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| 13:37.07 | abrotman | jethro: misunderestimate |
| 13:37.08 | streuner | jethro: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:37.10 | clojster | streuner: sorry, I've been disconnected |
| 13:37.17 | citral | who, with any little bit of intelligence/respect would try to paste over 10 lines here ? |
| 13:37.19 | abrotman | clojster: because you flooded the channel |
| 13:37.29 | clojster | streuner: yes, I know :) |
| 13:37.29 | jethro | streuner: I know how to limit the output thanks ;) |
| 13:37.33 | Tuttle | hi, i've come to touch with UPS unix INFORM GUARD 2400AP. It is connected via RS-232 port. What package should I choose to control it? |
| 13:37.41 | jethro | abrotman: thanks too :p |
| 13:37.45 | clojster | sorry abrotman I know |
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| 13:37.51 | streuner | jethro: i know that you knew it ;-) |
| 13:37.59 | Tuttle | (UPS unit) |
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| 13:38.11 | jethro | I didn't know about misunderestimate though |
| 13:38.15 | clojster | streuner: what did you say while I've been off? |
| 13:38.25 | streuner | clojster: what version of torsmo do you use, dpkg -l torsmo | tail -1 |
| 13:38.30 | streuner | nothing |
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| 13:38.46 | citral | just hm :) |
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| 13:38.55 | clojster | streuner: 0.18-5 |
| 13:38.57 | streuner | what should i say, i saw that debhelper kicked you |
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| 13:39.50 | resiak | streuner: dpkg -l torso | tail ? :) |
| 13:39.55 | streuner | the version is just shit |
| 13:40.02 | polm | I would like to remove the Xprint services from my box so that CUPS is the only printer package installed.Unfortunately when I try to "apt-get remove xprt-common xprt-xprintorg" I am told that "x-window-system" will also be uninstalled. How can I remove Xprint without having to remove X-Window-System ? |
| 13:40.07 | streuner | even the fonts aren't correct |
| 13:40.11 | streuner | useless |
| 13:40.20 | resiak | polm: It doesn't remove X, it just removes a metapackage. |
| 13:40.33 | streuner | clojster: /msg dpkg sdn and get 0.18-2 |
| 13:40.34 | clojster | streuner: yes, fonts don't work... so what is the better version? |
| 13:40.37 | polm | resiak: thanks |
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| 13:41.00 | clojster | streuner: ok, I'll get it |
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| 13:41.44 | xoz | poli: no problem, take note that it will remove 0 bytes meaning x-window-system is just a dummy virtual package |
| 13:42.27 | xoz | poli: err, check the bytes freed is only 255kb... not really 0 bytes |
| 13:42.35 | ick | how do i make ubuntu bullet proof ? |
| 13:42.45 | ick | i mean secure has hell |
| 13:42.48 | streuner | greycat: ? |
| 13:42.48 | xoz | shoot it |
| 13:43.03 | ick | wrong window |
| 13:43.11 | clojster | streuner: on snapshot there is no torsmo package :( |
| 13:43.25 | streuner | clojster: go and look harder |
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| 13:44.33 | CrypticSquared | ick put it in a safe and forget the combo |
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| 13:44.54 | ick | that might fit your needs not mine |
| 13:45.16 | asg | ick: install harden-doc and read. |
| 13:45.49 | ick | i should use a hardened kernel ? |
| 13:46.06 | CrypticSquared | ick there is a great book called linux security... |
| 13:46.20 | ick | is it im pdf ? |
| 13:46.33 | ick | how old is it ? |
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| 13:46.53 | jethro | !fgi ick hardening+debian |
| 13:46.54 | dpkg | ick: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=hardening+debian |
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| 13:46.56 | CrypticSquared | not sure got it from the library at uni |
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| 13:47.08 | Lord-Cereburus | hey guys, the kernel compile worked, thanks a bunch! |
| 13:47.09 | jethro | ick: that would work with hardening+ubuntu as well |
| 13:47.09 | CrypticSquared | you know the place where all the BOOKs are kept? |
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| 13:47.27 | abrotman | or he could ask #ubuntu |
| 13:47.30 | abrotman | and stop trolling us |
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| 13:48.06 | onre | making any sort of unix-like system really secure is hard. harder than one might think, if you want to overcome inherent limitations of unix-like systems. |
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| 13:48.11 | CrypticSquared | when is the next release of debian due? |
| 13:48.25 | asg | CrypticSquared: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 13:48.27 | ick | a really good distro would compile the kernel at install the way you like and to fit your hardware dont you think ? |
| 13:48.27 | PerfDave | CrypticSquared: Soon, probably in the next month. |
| 13:48.33 | PerfDave | ick: No |
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| 13:48.37 | abrotman | ick: use fbsd or gentoo .. go away |
| 13:48.38 | ick | why not ? |
| 13:48.45 | jethro | abrotman: considering the amount of ubuntrolls coming here to ask because no one answers in #ubuntu, I d rather fgi if I were him; chances are it's more efficient |
| 13:48.51 | CrypticSquared | onre: inherent limitations? compared to what? |
| 13:48.55 | PerfDave | ick: Because there's no point in doing so. d-i installs an arch-specific kernel, that's good enough. |
| 13:49.38 | ick | what if you like the hardned kernel better ? |
| 13:49.39 | CrypticSquared | ick: go do some research and use windows until then |
| 13:49.50 | jethro | ick: just build one if you like it more |
| 13:49.52 | onre | CrypticSquared, for example the multics security model. |
| 13:49.56 | jethro | ick: what's the deal with that? |
| 13:49.59 | ick | is the linux kernel awaer of DEP ? |
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| 13:50.04 | xzgv | what's the verdict on Bastille, is it worth it? i got just a plain vainilla box, no lans. |
| 13:50.05 | abrotman | ##linux |
| 13:50.08 | asg | ick: then build a hardened kernel if you want one. No one is stopping you. |
| 13:50.19 | CrypticSquared | onre: good point |
| 13:50.21 | asg | xzgv: it's worth at least reading through the explanations they give |
| 13:50.40 | ick | i never compiled a kernal sounds like a job for a superman |
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| 13:50.57 | jethro | that's cause you're a moron |
| 13:50.58 | abrotman | yay |
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| 13:51.02 | jethro | thanks greycat |
| 13:51.05 | abrotman | !greycatsnack |
| 13:51.05 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a peanut butter cookie for all the hard work |
| 13:51.08 | streuner | thanks |
| 13:51.38 | abrotman | greycat: do you actually like peanut butter cookies? |
| 13:51.47 | xzgv | asg: i did. i've heard that after you install it, it messes the sytem after a week of using it, is that true? |
| 13:51.57 | jethro | do such cookies exist? |
| 13:52.01 | greycat | abrotman: yes |
| 13:52.01 | asg | abrotman: iirc, he changed it from chocolate chip to peanut butter |
| 13:52.08 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
| 13:52.11 | greycat | !literal greycatsnack |
| 13:52.11 | dpkg | greycatsnack is <reply> hey greycat, here's a (peanut butter|chocolate chip) cookie for all the hard work |
| 13:52.15 | abrotman | jethro: yes .. quite good |
| 13:52.18 | streuner | jethro: sure, what does not exist? :-) |
| 13:52.31 | abrotman | streuner: two paris hiltons .. thank god |
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| 13:52.37 | streuner | peanut butter, iihhhh |
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| 13:52.39 | ricky_clarkson | !goldfish somebody |
| 13:52.45 | jethro | streuner: the list is way too long , of things which should exist |
| 13:52.46 | asg | xzgv: I didn't say use it, I said read through the explanations of what each step is going to do to get a better feel for some basic hardening techniques. |
| 13:52.47 | greycat | !fishsmite ricky_clarkson |
| 13:52.54 | ricky_clarkson | Damn, I want a 'somebody has a 2 second memory' factoid to copy. |
| 13:53.04 | xzgv | asg: ok, thx |
| 13:53.10 | greycat | !listvals goldfish |
| 13:53.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'goldfish' by value (2): start a pet war ;; CMD: fishsmite (.*?). |
| 13:53.42 | asg | xzgv: also, as mentioned above, the harden-doc package is a good read. |
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| 13:54.03 | asg | streuner: it's very tasty |
| 13:54.19 | abrotman | very very yummuy |
| 13:54.28 | abrotman | let's have thomas_adam make some for us! :) |
| 13:54.44 | possie | how can i see all the damaged sectors on a disk? |
| 13:54.44 | ricky_clarkson | !goldfish $1 is <reply>$1, you have a (2|3|4|5|6|7) second (memory|attention span)! Here's a (bronze|silver|gold) star and an honourary degree!! |
| 13:54.45 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
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| 13:54.50 | greycat | dpkg, start a cookie war is <reply> (Chocolate chip|Peanut butter|Oatmeal|All) cookies are (just |)(great|horrible)! |
| 13:54.50 | ricky_clarkson | !goldfish greycat |
| 13:54.50 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 13:54.51 | dpkg | greycat, you have a 6 second memory! Here's a silver star and an honourary degree!! |
| 13:54.52 | abrotman | streuner: they have peanut butter chip cookies too |
| 13:54.54 | streuner | asg: i have found ones in woody peanut butter, some GI's leave them, never touch it again... |
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| 13:55.02 | streuner | s/woody/wood/ |
| 13:55.19 | Crasp | hello, i've download a source package using apt-get source and now i want to make a .deb out of it. How do i do that? |
| 13:55.23 | asg | streuner: yes, better to buy them from a shop and not ones left in the woods and manufactured by the US government. |
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| 13:55.45 | streuner | asg: heh, the other things were very tasty... |
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| 13:56.15 | asg | streuner: eeek! |
| 13:56.18 | ricky_clarkson | Does Debian have a live CD (not Knoppix)? |
| 13:56.29 | abrotman | no |
| 13:56.29 | asg | ricky_clarkson: you can make your own |
| 13:56.44 | asg | ricky_clarkson: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=125 |
| 13:57.03 | nathan_ | hello, i was curious if there where issues with the radeon drivers, ati radeon 9200, and xfree86? if i log on to an xsession, and log back off i get major screen corruption... anyone ever experienced this before? |
| 13:57.17 | covux | Crasp: apt-get source <packagename> -b <- building should start |
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| 13:58.28 | Expander | I have problems with the official ATI fglcr-something drivers, but the xfree86 radeon driver works fine for me. |
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| 13:58.49 | ricky_clarkson | I teach on an operating system management module at a University, and we currently use a cut-down RedHat 6.2 on some dedicated machines. We won't have those dedicated machines next year (the lab space is needed) so we're looking at a live CD as an option. We need to be able to have the students install packages, connect to the Internet (dhcp runs here), and add users and stuff, but not (accidentally) damage the machines. |
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| 13:59.22 | madclicker | hey guys, i got a four speaker system but only two are playing, how do i get all of them working? |
| 13:59.27 | nathan_ | Expander, how do i switch to the official radeon drivers? |
| 13:59.34 | ricky_clarkson | Is that doable with Knoppix or some other premade Live CD, do you think? |
| 13:59.39 | mfrisch | ricky_clarkson knoppix is cool |
| 13:59.41 | ricky_clarkson | I'll ask this on ##linux too, I think. |
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| 14:00.13 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Can you not have dual-boot setup? |
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| 14:00.30 | asg | ricky_clarkson: bootcd is your friend |
| 14:01.39 | mfrisch | I got an awfull bios msg "checksum error" can I reflash or is the chip borked?!?!? |
| 14:01.46 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: We already have dual boot. |
| 14:01.58 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: This is looking like triple. |
| 14:02.00 | streuner | mfrish: d-i iso? |
| 14:02.11 | streuner | mfrish: or custom kernel? |
| 14:02.14 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Network boot? :) |
| 14:02.16 | madclicker | hey guys, i got a four speaker system but only two are playing, how do i get all of them working? |
| 14:02.20 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Now you're talking! |
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| 14:03.26 | mfrisch | streuner it was stock 2.4 unstable. |
| 14:03.39 | ruied | can I export sound from winamp to a pc running esound server? |
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| 14:04.15 | streuner | mfrish: why did you say 'was'? |
| 14:04.41 | PerfDave | madclicker: Are you using ALSA? |
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| 14:04.53 | ricky_clarkson | ruied: Shoutcast springs to mind, don't know anything more about it than the fact that it springs to mind. |
| 14:04.53 | nathan_ | is there an apt package for the official ati radeon xfree86 drivers? |
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| 14:05.02 | greycat | nathan_: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 14:05.07 | madclicker | PerfDave: yeap |
| 14:05.14 | PerfDave | madclicker: What soundcard? |
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| 14:05.23 | PerfDave | nathan_: Doubt it. |
| 14:05.32 | madclicker | PerfDave: audigy |
| 14:05.38 | mfrisch | streuner well its on the harddrive but it won't get passed bios checksum error. |
| 14:05.43 | PerfDave | madclicker: So you're using snd-emu10k1 or whatever? |
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| 14:06.09 | streuner | mfrish: did you use another kernel? |
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| 14:06.53 | streuner | mfrish: can you boot with another kernel? |
| 14:07.06 | madclicker | PerfDave: snd_emu10k1 |
| 14:07.09 | dli | why man won't take /usr/local/man? it's default in manpath.conf, and I can see it's still in |
| 14:07.29 | PerfDave | madclicker: OK, that should All Just Work. What makes you think it's not working? |
| 14:07.40 | PerfDave | madclicker: You'll need an application which can handle >2 speaker output such as xine. |
| 14:07.45 | mfrisch | streuner no same bios hangs..no grub. |
| 14:08.19 | madclicker | PerfDave: am using xmms, before i had fedora and all was peachy |
| 14:08.30 | greycat | dli: what does 'manpath' say? |
| 14:08.44 | PerfDave | madclicker: Is xmms using ALSA for output? |
| 14:08.58 | madclicker | PerfDave: yes sirie bobo |
| 14:09.04 | madclicker | PerfDave: bob |
| 14:09.23 | madclicker | PerfDave: only the two in the fron are a go |
| 14:09.24 | dli | greycat, /usr/share/man:/usr/X11R6/man:/usr/local/man:/usr/man |
| 14:10.04 | madclicker | PerfDave: is there an other all i can lauch to see if it will play all 4 |
| 14:10.06 | madclicker | ? |
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| 14:10.12 | PerfDave | madclicker: Maybe you need to fiddle the rear channel volumes in alsamixer? |
| 14:10.16 | madclicker | all=app |
| 14:10.44 | dli | greycat: do I have to use a command to update the database of man? |
| 14:10.50 | greycat | dli: so what precisely is the problem you're seeing? |
| 14:11.05 | streuner | mfrisch: what happens if you running a resuce floppy or trying to boot from the CD? |
| 14:11.14 | dli | head2 root # man mpiexec |
| 14:11.14 | dli | No manual entry for mpiexec |
| 14:11.30 | greycat | dli: and what's the full path to the file you think it should see? |
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| 14:11.37 | madclicker | PerfDave: that did it, but why gnome volume contol cant work it? |
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| 14:11.38 | _joey | could someone recommend wireless nic and modem for linux? |
| 14:11.51 | PerfDave | madclicker: No idea. Probably because Gnome is a fucking pile of shit ;) |
| 14:11.54 | idc | I am meeting a sound problem on debian :( |
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| 14:12.25 | madclicker | PerfDave: it was working in fedora :( |
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| 14:12.36 | PerfDave | madclicker: *shrug* |
| 14:12.51 | PerfDave | madclicker: I have no idea what Fedora does with ALSA volumes. |
| 14:12.55 | madclicker | PerfDave: thx a bunch, atleast it is working now |
| 14:13.00 | PerfDave | madclicker: Good oh :) |
| 14:13.01 | idc | For the truth that my card supports 4 sound channels by default channels set on rears/front channel but not headphone and i use headphone |
| 14:13.06 | dli | greycat: oh, suddenly found mpiexec doesn't exist in /usr/local/man/man1 :( installation problem |
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| 14:13.23 | directhex|work | pfft, mpiexec |
| 14:13.31 | idc | So if sound from rears/font channel from my sound card to my headphone the volume is way too low :( |
| 14:13.33 | madclicker | PerfDave: what i noticed they have a whole lot of more controls on their gnome volume controller |
| 14:13.34 | stew | _joey: something prism54 based. do you mean wireless modem or modem for a phone line |
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| 14:13.38 | mfrisch | streuner its fine chroot and installed lilo because I thought I borked grub, its my headless router. |
| 14:13.48 | idc | and in linux debian i do not find how to switch to 'headphone' mode :( |
| 14:13.58 | madclicker | PerfDave: which window manager are u using? |
| 14:14.04 | PerfDave | madclicker: I use KDE |
| 14:14.28 | madclicker | PerfDave: KDE vs Gnome who wons? |
| 14:14.31 | madclicker | wins? |
| 14:14.33 | idc | even i found that option in alsamixer as long as other people have said the same problem from their card on linux,i click on 'headphone' but it enable/disable the rears channel |
| 14:14.39 | idc | hmm |
| 14:14.40 | PerfDave | madclicker: KDE every time, in my opinion ;) |
| 14:15.00 | streuner | mfrisch: just install another kernel and check the bootloader entries + run lilo without errors |
| 14:15.02 | idc | Does anyone own a Cirrus Logic CS46xx sound card on linux ? |
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| 14:15.04 | madclicker | PerfDave: roger, i will try it.......u rock |
| 14:15.14 | c4r0 | hi |
| 14:15.26 | idc | :( |
| 14:15.27 | directhex|work | !start a de war |
| 14:15.49 | mfrisch | streuner my kernel is giving me bios errors? |
| 14:15.50 | idc | hi directhex|work |
| 14:16.04 | directhex|work | poop |
| 14:16.18 | streuner | mfrisch: well, i hope, if its an hardware error we can't help then. |
| 14:16.18 | idc | directhex|work, may i ask,the alsa driver from linux kernel,and from alsa website,they are same ? |
| 14:16.37 | directhex|work | !start a desktop war |
| 14:16.37 | dpkg | GNUStep: be different. |
| 14:16.40 | mfrisch | streuner THANKS :)~ |
| 14:16.49 | directhex|work | idc, usually a little delay in the kernel ones, but essentially |
| 14:16.53 | PerfDave | !start a wm war |
| 14:16.54 | dpkg | KDE makes me vomit! |
| 14:17.06 | directhex|work | !botsnack |
| 14:17.06 | dpkg | directhex|work: thanks |
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| 14:17.09 | idc | directhex|work, in kernel i enabled using alsa then 'cs46xx',will this be different that i go to alsa website and download/install the alsa driver seperately ? |
| 14:17.28 | idc | oh |
| 14:17.29 | _joey | stew modem has to be connected to phone I don't want to use a cat5 cable to conect to the NIC on my PC |
| 14:17.42 | directhex|work | idc, no, it won't be different, unless you have a massively new cs46xx card that you need the bleeding edge alsa version for |
| 14:17.56 | idc | i see |
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| 14:18.10 | directhex|work | _joey, what possible use is a modem in 2005? |
| 14:18.32 | idc | brb |
| 14:18.40 | stew | _joey: for a modem, your best bet will be to use an external modem connected via legacy serial |
| 14:18.59 | _joey | stew adsl modem |
| 14:19.10 | stew | dunno then |
| 14:19.10 | _joey | what's legacy serial ? |
| 14:19.24 | stew | _joey: rs232 |
| 14:19.24 | directhex|work | gat |
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| 14:19.38 | _joey | I have adsl modem on which I use ethernet over ppp to get connected |
| 14:19.41 | directhex|work | _joey, never _EVER_ connect to adsl over anything but regular ethernet |
| 14:19.42 | abrotman | directhex|work: faxserver! |
| 14:19.47 | _joey | I don't want to use the cable and wireless instezd |
| 14:19.59 | _joey | directhex|work go away mna |
| 14:20.13 | directhex|work | oh god how poorly is this being explained >_< |
| 14:20.22 | directhex|work | you want a wireless router. not a "modem", a wireless router. |
| 14:20.35 | stew | _joey: get a wireless router to connect to the adsl modem, then you just talk to the wireless router |
| 14:20.35 | _joey | bollocks |
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| 14:20.43 | greycat | a modem is a screeching thing that you use to connect to your friend's BBS back in 1985. |
| 14:20.51 | _joey | oh well:) |
| 14:20.52 | directhex|work | one of them is a relic from the 70s/80s, one of them is modern unreliable tech |
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| 14:21.02 | directhex|work | greycat, acoustic couplers are COOL |
| 14:21.17 | asg | directhex|work: but cumbersome |
| 14:21.24 | TinoW | DSL also has modems |
| 14:21.35 | mejo | how can i stop ppp/pppoe from updating my resolv.conf at dsl dail-in? i've a local dnsserver running, and i would like to keep this one in resolv.conf instead of using the ones by the provider. |
| 14:21.44 | _joey | stew so there's no such thing as combo modem/router with wirelss support? |
| 14:21.44 | greycat | a DSL modem is more properly a bridge. |
| 14:21.58 | directhex|work | _joey, hundreds |
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| 14:22.03 | _joey | for example i have adsl modem which can be configured in brdigning and routing mode |
| 14:22.09 | directhex|work | _joey, but stop looking for fucking modems, look for wireless routers |
| 14:22.16 | _joey | fuck off |
| 14:22.18 | _joey | will you? |
| 14:22.19 | greycat | _joey: you MUST MUST MUST say "DSL modem" if you mean a DSL bridge that's commonly referred to as a "DSL modem". If you say "modem" we think you mean a modem. |
| 14:22.30 | directhex|work | mejo, alter your connection settings to override the dhcp bit |
| 14:22.33 | directhex|work | *dns bit |
| 14:22.36 | greycat | _joey: you are causing massive confusion |
| 14:22.57 | _joey | 3~okay DSL modem it is |
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| 14:23.06 | stew | _joey: if you already have a working adsl modem, then why are you looking for another, just get a wireless router to plut into its ethernet port |
| 14:23.15 | stew | s/plut/plug/ |
| 14:23.25 | directhex|work | god, why did the short bus get off here? |
| 14:23.30 | _joey | stew okay |
| 14:23.42 | mejo | directhex|work: i already tries commenting out usepeerdns in /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider, but that doesn't change anything, resolv.conf still gets updated at DSL dial-in. |
| 14:23.43 | _joey | stew will it be cheaper getting just wireless router? |
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| 14:24.05 | stew | _joey: will what be cheaper? |
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| 14:24.28 | directhex|work | http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=7112775489&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=60225 |
| 14:24.32 | _joey | just getting wireless router instead combo wireless modem/router |
| 14:24.38 | directhex|work | ^^ wireless motherfucking router, with built in modem. does everything needed. |
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| 14:25.02 | _joey | ohh |
| 14:25.04 | _joey | DSL modem :) |
| 14:25.14 | _joey | confused people;) |
| 14:25.42 | directhex|work | lord, what fools these mortals be |
| 14:25.53 | _joey | I thought nobody is using dial up 56K modems anymore |
| 14:26.19 | Tuttle | Does anyone know how to control/monitor RS-232 UPS? |
| 14:26.25 | directhex|work | no, nobody is. but you never stated your question in a clear concise manner |
| 14:26.34 | directhex|work | Tuttle, apcupsd |
| 14:26.43 | Tuttle | directhex|work: even when it is not APC model? |
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| 14:27.27 | directhex|work | Tuttle, i think so. |
| 14:27.32 | Tuttle | ok |
| 14:27.36 | resiak | directhex|work: You need to relax, put your feet up and play some UT2003 ;) |
| 14:27.48 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 14:27.53 | cbr | where is the CFLAGS variable in debian? |
| 14:27.57 | Phated | resiak: Shouldn't you be studying? :) |
| 14:28.01 | directhex|work | resiak, 2003 blows. and i'm on a shitty ati, so no 2004 for me |
| 14:28.04 | jethro | cbr: in the shell ususally |
| 14:28.10 | resiak | Phated: I just got back to my room, and I'm about to go to a tute. *fluffle* |
| 14:28.14 | cbr | in which config file can i set it? |
| 14:28.19 | Phated | resiak: All right, fair enough. |
| 14:28.21 | resiak | cbr: ...you don't build everything from source on Debian. |
| 14:28.24 | jethro | cbr: in any file you source |
| 14:28.43 | nathan_ | anyone here have any experience setting up a dual monitor setup with an ati radeon graphics card? |
| 14:28.44 | cbr | i build kernels |
| 14:28.44 | directhex|work | Tuttle, check http://www2.apcupsd.com/3.10.x-manual/Planning_Your_Installation.html#SECTION00082000000000000000 |
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| 14:29.22 | idc | bye,bed time |
| 14:29.24 | greycat | cbr: why? |
| 14:29.43 | greycat | cbr: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:29.46 | cbr | greycat: because i want to |
| 14:29.53 | jethro | !debian kernel image |
| 14:29.53 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 14:30.00 | RichiH | cbr the builder :p |
| 14:30.05 | Tuttle | directhex|work: ok, thank you |
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| 14:30.29 | cbr | i know how to compile a kernel so please look out with calling me an idiot ;) |
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| 14:30.34 | davis | hello |
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| 14:30.54 | greycat | cbr: then your question makes NO FUCKING SENSE AT ALL YOU NON-IDIOT. |
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| 14:30.58 | greycat | is that betteR? |
| 14:31.02 | jethro | :) |
| 14:31.08 | cbr | yup.. fuck you then |
| 14:31.13 | directhex|work | i know the answer to his quiestion, as it happens |
| 14:31.20 | greycat | directhex|work: does it involve Gentoo? |
| 14:31.24 | davis | I am trying to set the password remember flag in the pam config. Any idea where I can do this? |
| 14:31.28 | directhex|work | nah, i've used it before |
| 14:31.32 | greycat | directhex|work: I'm trying to figure out what the hell he's on about. |
| 14:31.39 | directhex|work | CFLAGS is defined in the kernel Makefile |
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| 14:31.51 | greycat | I notice in particular that he did NOT respond to my cat /etc/debian_version request. |
| 14:32.00 | jethro | can't you CFLAGS=foo make-kpkg ... ? |
| 14:32.07 | cbr | 3.1.. what would it be? |
| 14:32.09 | davis | greycat: wow, you are usally the most laid back, cool, and helpfull person is this channel. That dude must have really said something bad prior to me entering the channel. You ok, bro? |
| 14:32.13 | greycat | directhex|work: of course it is. So what is HE talking about? Some sort of Gentoo /etc/gcc.conf file? |
| 14:32.21 | directhex|work | greycat, yes, as it happens |
| 14:32.23 | jethro | hahahaha |
| 14:32.36 | stew | cbr: out of curiosity what cflags would you set when compiling your kernel? |
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| 14:32.58 | scarynetworkguy | stew: 1337? |
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| 14:33.03 | cbr | stew: dunno.. i'm used to the make.conf way :p |
| 14:33.08 | directhex|work | i've used -march=pentium-m -mtune=pentium-m |
| 14:33.10 | _joey | stew when asked a question about modem I stated it is connected over ethernet using cat5 cable, so don't know why it was unclear to you which modem I am using |
| 14:33.13 | greycat | !make.conf |
| 14:33.13 | directhex|work | greycat, it appears it's make.conf |
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| 14:33.18 | cbr | CFLAGS="-march=athlon-tbird -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fPIC -DPIC" |
| 14:33.21 | cbr | these mb |
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| 14:33.27 | greycat | what a 'tard. |
| 14:34.03 | davis | I wonder if greycat is saying I am a tard. |
| 14:34.16 | stew | _joey: saying "i want to connect to the internet with a modem, not using cat5" certainly doesn't rule out a 56k modem |
| 14:34.22 | greycat | "Oh hey, the Linux kernel doesn't have enough bugs in it! Let's make it even MORE unstable by using experimental bleeding-edge compiler optimization flags that nobody has ever tested with this code before!!" |
| 14:34.38 | directhex|work | infact, it specifically makes it sound like you want to use a modem |
| 14:34.53 | cbr | greycat: look at my flags, none of them are unstable |
| 14:35.01 | greycat | hmm.... first google hit on make.conf is freebsd |
| 14:35.06 | directhex|work | why would you omit the frame pointer on your kernel? |
| 14:35.09 | greycat | second is gentoo |
| 14:35.22 | directhex|work | makes sense, gentoo uses a ports system |
| 14:35.28 | scarynetworkguy | directhex|work: You drank the stupid water? |
| 14:35.51 | directhex|work | scarynetworkguy, it was cheaper than the cola |
| 14:35.59 | scarynetworkguy | directhex|work: Heh. |
| 14:36.04 | onre | gentoo people seem to have this idea of letting users muck with CFLAGS. |
| 14:36.14 | greycat | here's an interesting first page result: "Hi, \n I was just wondering where is SuSE's make.conf \n It is not in /etc \n In other words which file should I edit to get the same results \n (CFLAGS)?" |
| 14:36.25 | onre | and then people get inventive and start mucking with gcc options they do not understand at all. |
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| 14:36.28 | onre | sigh. |
| 14:36.31 | greycat | and then later in the same post, "Distro: Gentoo ~amd64" |
| 14:36.34 | TinoW | One: --funroll-loop -O3 --aggressive-ignore-anything ;) |
| 14:36.38 | stew | i propose this as the #debian channel anthem: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 14:36.39 | davis | cbr: dont mean to be a pest, but if you want to try experimenting with your kernel build (and nothing is wrong with that) I suggest you create a busy box ramdisk and boot to a kernel using it prior rather than testing on your normal disk mounted filesystem. |
| 14:37.06 | asg | stew: yeah but it's Morrissey |
| 14:37.09 | scarynetworkguy | Muppet!! |
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| 14:37.20 | stew | asg: fine: http://www.lyricsdepot.com/10-000-maniacs/everyday-is-like-sunday.html |
| 14:37.25 | obtix | i am trying to transfer files from this machine to another (over the network of course) and it is going so slow... around 60K up from this machine... i was just getting over 700+ from my other, whats wrong |
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| 14:37.38 | asg | stew: ;) |
| 14:37.38 | id10t | obtix, out of spec cable? |
| 14:37.41 | directhex|work | obtix, check the network negotiation with mii-tool |
| 14:37.52 | directhex|work | obtix, also try iperf for bandwidth tests in both directions |
| 14:37.54 | davis | so, I added remember=4 to the "password" line in my /etc/pam.d/common-password file. How do I restart pam so this takes effect? |
| 14:37.57 | asg | obtix: duplex mismatch? |
| 14:37.59 | greycat | obtix: check the duplex |
| 14:38.05 | PerfDave | iperf? :) |
| 14:38.18 | obtix | id10t: cable is good... duplex is up on the switch HEH |
| 14:38.23 | asg | scarynetworkguy: dunno if the smiths were ever on the muppet show. |
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| 14:38.31 | greycat | "up" is not a possible duplex setting. |
| 14:38.31 | id10t | obtix, sorry then, just the first thing i thought of |
| 14:38.35 | greycat | possible settings are "full" and "half". |
| 14:38.37 | greycat | not "up". |
| 14:38.38 | obtix | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 14:38.45 | abrotman | asg: they should have been :) |
| 14:38.46 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Heh. How you been? |
| 14:39.05 | id10t | anyone able to help with a knoppix remastering (and X11) problem? #knoppix is ded |
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| 14:39.11 | obtix | greycat: it says fill on the switch, my switch has a light for full and half |
| 14:39.11 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 14:39.11 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 14:39.14 | asg | scarynetworkguy: pretty good, but busy. I'm also trying to figure out why debian.org will not send me any list traffic (my gateway was down for less than 24 hours.) |
| 14:39.23 | greycat | obtix: ok... |
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| 14:39.33 | streuner | greycat: that's not his fault, that's the fault of such people who recommend it ... |
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| 14:40.09 | obtix | greycat: how do i check it to make sure its right.. this is annoying when i have 13+ gigs to transfer |
| 14:40.36 | directhex|work | obtix, negotiation sounds correct. try iperf to test bandwidth |
| 14:40.41 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Coolness. Yeah, I hear you on the busy front. Good luck with the list stuff. |
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| 14:40.44 | directhex|work | obtix, also, check for collisions on ifconfig |
| 14:41.07 | obtix | directhex|work: no collisions |
| 14:41.08 | greycat | dpkg, make.conf is a file that Gentoo and FreeBSD use to let you break your system in new and exciting ways by experimenting with untested gcc optimization flags when you build nonessential things like kernels and C libraries. NO, Debian does NOT have one of these. Ask me about <debian kernel image> and <source>. |
| 14:41.08 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 14:41.14 | davis | hello again. sorry to be persistent. I have modified the password setting so that remember=4 is present. I dont know how to restart pam, but now when I try to change my password it keeps saying, "Password has been already used. Choose another. |
| 14:41.21 | davis | any idea what is the deal? |
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| 14:42.00 | davis | i am giving it passwords which are different. |
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| 14:42.33 | obtix | any other ideas why this network connection is so slow? where do i get ipref? |
| 14:42.38 | davis | there isn't a /etc/init.d/pam file to restart. |
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| 14:42.40 | possie | hi |
| 14:42.44 | davis | hi |
| 14:42.55 | greycat | davis: no. pam isn't a running process. |
| 14:43.01 | davis | greycat: ok. |
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| 14:43.32 | davis | greycat: do I need to do anything else besides add the remember=4 option? |
| 14:43.45 | xoz | obtix: first change cable and check if it's not cable. are they in the same network? |
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| 14:43.46 | davis | greycat: say, init its last 4 passwords database or something? |
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| 14:44.08 | greycat | davis: I have no idea how that works. never used it. |
| 14:44.23 | davis | greycat: ok. cool. |
| 14:44.29 | obtix | xoz: yes... cable is good, network is good - i have a dual ethernet card though, im gonna plug both in and see what happens :-P |
| 14:44.29 | greycat | !info libpam-doc |
| 14:44.33 | dpkg | libpam-doc: (Documentation of PAM), section doc, is optional. Version: 0.76-22 (sid), Packaged size: 650 kB, Installed size: 1152 kB |
| 14:44.35 | davis | greycat: hey you doing ok? I never see you lose your cool. |
| 14:44.36 | greycat | try that. |
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| 14:44.48 | greycat | davis: you haven't been here recently, then |
| 14:44.49 | xoz | obtix: check also routing |
| 14:46.05 | greycat | "Documentation of" is a really odd phrase.... |
| 14:46.13 | obtix | how do i get both ethernet cards to work together now? |
| 14:46.21 | greycat | define "together" |
| 14:46.46 | davis | obtix: like bonding? |
| 14:46.54 | davis | obtix: or routing? |
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| 14:47.09 | obtix | davis: yeah so they send data twice as much together |
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| 14:47.35 | davis | obtix: I have never done bonding, but I think there is a kernel option and a howto on the subject. |
| 14:47.42 | obtix | might i had this computer is only slow on sending not recieving |
| 14:47.51 | davis | obtix: speaking of howto's, I need to get one on pam. lol. |
| 14:48.27 | davis | obtix: how did you determine its slow one way versus the other? |
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| 14:48.55 | obtix | davis: i was able to send the files to this computer just fine.. but getting them off of it is proving much harder |
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| 14:49.19 | davis | obtix: hmm. were you using ftp? |
| 14:49.29 | obtix | davis: samba |
| 14:49.46 | obtix | files between this pc and my new powerbook actually |
| 14:50.07 | davis | obtix: that could be an application problem and not a network driver problem. |
| 14:50.43 | davis | obtix: what you could do is run a ping test in both directions and check for packet delay. |
| 14:50.52 | obtix | davis: ill have to try that thanks |
| 14:51.00 | obtix | davis: so it could be samba? |
| 14:51.35 | id10t | obtix, why not try with scp? |
| 14:51.47 | davis | obtix: it very well could. It could also be the system load on the powerbook, it could also be the difference between the two arch's. |
| 14:52.03 | obtix | id10t: yeah, ill use scp then |
| 14:52.29 | davis | id10t: scp could do it as well. Is it symetric for encryption/decription though? |
| 14:52.50 | davis | id10t: ie, does the sender have the same work load as the receiver for the encryption? |
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| 14:53.21 | id10t | davis dunno. but i use it for just about everything between a few os x boxes, a fwe linux boxes, and some windows boxes. never have a issue |
| 14:53.21 | stew | davis: ssh uses symetric encryption/decryption |
| 14:53.41 | davis | stew: there you go. thanks. |
| 14:54.18 | stew | davis: ssh uses a public key /private key to encrypt a symetric session key which is used for all the payload encryption/decryption |
| 14:54.45 | ruied | Hylafax vs Rightfax vs GFI vs eFax/jFax. Which one is the best solution? I want to have a faxe server so I can redirect incoming faxes to emails and send faxes from windows(in a domain) and linux clients |
| 14:55.07 | madclicker | does anyone had info on howto use intel raid provided with 875 chipset for SATA drives? |
| 14:55.24 | madclicker | ICH5R |
| 14:55.40 | davis | stew: so the process of decryption runs the same as the process of encryption? When I mean symetric, i mean the Big-O run time is the same. |
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| 14:55.51 | directhex|work | madclicker, it's not real raid |
| 14:56.05 | directhex|work | madclicker, do you want to have compatability with windows on the same array? |
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| 14:56.14 | greycat | davis: big-O has nothing to do with it. |
| 14:56.19 | stew | davis: yes, its just get the next number and xor |
| 14:56.27 | greycat | davis: all encryption schemes are O(1) |
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| 14:56.48 | greycat | unless you mean with respect to the number of bits in the *key* as opposed to the length of the message... |
| 14:57.03 | davis | greycat: really? I would think it might be determined upon the message. |
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| 14:57.20 | greycat | davis: if encoding a 5k message takes 5 seconds, a 100k message will take 100 seconds. |
| 14:57.33 | davis | greycat: ok, cool. thanks for the info guys. |
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| 14:57.37 | madclicker | directhex|work: no i want to be able to create a RAID array and install debian on it |
| 14:57.39 | greycat | I meant O(1) per byte of the message. |
| 14:57.42 | stouset | greycat: that's O(n) :-) |
| 14:57.52 | McKillroy | ./lvm2 |
| 14:58.05 | McKillroy | oops ? |
| 14:58.09 | davis | lol |
| 14:58.17 | McKillroy | KVM switch fooling with me ... |
| 14:58.30 | directhex|work | madclicker, so boot the sarge install cd, and use the raid setup abilities of the partitioner |
| 14:58.51 | directhex|work | madclicker, fakeraid like ich5r isn't used under linux - you use mdadm sofwtare raid |
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| 14:59.10 | madclicker | directhex|work: roger and thank you |
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| 15:00.01 | madclicker | directhex|work: btw, have u heard anyting about iswraid project on sourceforge? |
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| 15:00.58 | lfj] | edenorte.com.br |
| 15:01.49 | directhex|work | madclicker, no. what is it? |
| 15:01.57 | madclicker | directhex|work: are u using to nicks like "directhex|work" "directhex|home" or is there a way to get irc to allow you to login in both places? |
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| 15:03.12 | directhex|work | madclicker, it's possible to do it properly, yes, but i'm a) lazy and b) lazy |
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| 15:04.00 | madclicker | directhex|work: ma broda from another mada, just like me :) |
| 15:04.47 | madclicker | directhex|work: http://iswraid.sourceforge.net/ for info |
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| 15:05.42 | directhex|work | madclicker, seems unneccessary when redhat engineers are working on devicemapper raid on 2.6 kernels, which is compatible with the windows fakeraid drivers |
| 15:05.48 | McKillroy | How important are security patches like pax, grsecurity or adamantix for servers (http, mail, database, ssh) compared to general system configuration ? |
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| 15:06.42 | madclicker | PerfDave: igot it the resolution under gnome is "gnome-alsamixer" fyi |
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| 15:07.32 | leonel | beside what the topic says there's no new news about sarge release status |
| 15:07.33 | leonel | ? |
| 15:07.39 | madclicker | directhex|work: u mean "dmraid"?\ |
| 15:07.45 | directhex|work | madclicker, yes |
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| 15:08.25 | PerfDave | madclicker: Save yourself! |
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| 15:09.33 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - which is ubuntu based on? unstable or testing? also, which has the newest packages? |
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| 15:10.05 | Super_Cat_Frog | (newest packages out of unstable or testing) |
| 15:10.09 | directhex|work | ubuntu is based on unstable |
| 15:10.35 | directhex|work | and usually unstable has the same versions or slightly newer versions than testing - it's where the error testing goes on before going into testing |
| 15:10.51 | streuner | uh, no |
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| 15:10.55 | Super_Cat_Frog | ah thanks |
| 15:10.59 | ralf | hi all |
| 15:11.11 | ralf | why there are packages in the debian repository i can't find with apt-get? |
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| 15:11.44 | Super_Cat_Frog | does debian unstable have all the fancy things like automounting of usb sticks and all that kind of stuff? |
| 15:11.54 | streuner | directhex|work: http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/04/14#2005-04-14-sarge-v-hoary |
| 15:12.08 | sevenoak | ralf: maybe you search for stable packages but your package is only unstable available |
| 15:12.25 | directhex|work | Super_Cat_Frog, i use gnome-volume-manager to do that, it's in testing. |
| 15:12.27 | ralf | i have searched in unstable and experimental |
| 15:12.27 | streuner | directhex|work: the most packages in sarge are newer than the latest ubuntu realeas (hoary) |
| 15:12.41 | ralf | and i can't find that package |
| 15:12.44 | fatal_ | Super_Cat_Frog: Sarge/GNOME mounted my usb digital camera automagically and suggested importing my photos... (you should be a member of plugdev-group) |
| 15:12.59 | sevenoak | have you done apt-get update? |
| 15:13.01 | streuner | directhex|work: fact is, that they have a later kernel, or DE. |
| 15:13.09 | streuner | that's all |
| 15:13.39 | ralf | yes |
| 15:13.41 | Super_Cat_Frog | does debian proper use coldplug and hotplug or just hotplug? |
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| 15:13.49 | Super_Cat_Frog | (my last question, promise) |
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| 15:13.53 | directhex|work | Super_Cat_Frog, hotplug and discover1 |
| 15:13.56 | streuner | of course |
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| 15:14.23 | davis | what is the file which specifies the max file size a user can create? |
| 15:14.38 | fatal_ | davis: limits ? (man limits) |
| 15:14.41 | sevenoak | ralf: what package you mean? |
| 15:14.49 | ralf | gcc-4.0 |
| 15:14.49 | directhex|work | streuner, ubuntu is newer on the "high profile" packages - xserver, gnome, etc |
| 15:14.53 | davis | fatal_: ok. thanks |
| 15:14.57 | Super_Cat_Frog | ok, one more question then. how likely is it that debian's discover1 bootscript wont crash, like kubuntu's does? |
| 15:15.05 | davis | No manual entry for limits |
| 15:15.06 | ralf | in http://debian.fastweb.it/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.0/ there are 2 packages |
| 15:15.13 | ralf | 4.0 and 4.0ds |
| 15:15.14 | fatal_ | davis: it was man limits.conf .. just checked. |
| 15:15.20 | davis | ok thanks |
| 15:15.27 | directhex|work | Super_Cat_Frog, cannot say. |
| 15:15.30 | sevenoak | gcc-4.0 sits in experimental |
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| 15:16.05 | ralf | filenames: gcc-4.0ds10-0pre10 and gcc-4.0_4.0.0-1 |
| 15:16.06 | TinoW | grr. they broke a depency on python2.3 ... |
| 15:16.14 | sevenoak | is you apt configured for experimental? |
| 15:16.18 | Super_Cat_Frog | ok, im going to install debian unstable then. thanks everybody. |
| 15:16.23 | ralf | sevenoak: but there are 2 packages |
| 15:16.35 | ralf | sevenoak: yes |
| 15:16.39 | ralf | i have the pinning |
| 15:17.05 | sevenoak | hmm, wholy shit, ask around maybe someone can help you, sry |
| 15:17.20 | fatal_ | Super_Cat_Frog: I'd recommend Sarge (testing), but ok... |
| 15:17.33 | Super_Cat_Frog | fatal_ - why? |
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| 15:17.51 | tarzeau | ralf: i can't wait for 4.0.1 |
| 15:18.04 | ralf | tarzeau: why? |
| 15:18.07 | fatal_ | Super_Cat_Frog: because testing tends to be alot less hassle for users ... and sarge is soon<tm> to be released as stable. |
| 15:18.15 | PerfDave | Super_Cat_Frog: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:18.23 | tarzeau | ralf: Objective-C++ |
| 15:18.36 | madclicker | PerfDave: too late :) |
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| 15:18.40 | cbr | is it compulsory for debian kernels to use initrd? |
| 15:18.58 | Super_Cat_Frog | ok thanks |
| 15:19.09 | fatal_ | cbr: what does compulsory mean? |
| 15:19.17 | streuner | directhex|work: did you read the URL yet? |
| 15:19.19 | cbr | you have to use one |
| 15:19.22 | ralf | but what is the one fetched from the 4.0 release? the 1°? the 2°? |
| 15:19.53 | fatal_ | cbr: ah, ok.... well, scsi and ide support is modules in debian kernels... so you probably want to use the initrd... |
| 15:20.07 | cbr | when i got all as builtin |
| 15:20.20 | xoz | cbr: if you use the debian images, it uses it. if you compile yours and you know what to do, initrd is not necessary. |
| 15:20.45 | fatal_ | McKillroy: so you want the standard debian kernel?! . ;) |
| 15:21.10 | Gathond | McKillroy: any 2.4.x kernel fits that in my experience |
| 15:21.46 | McKillroy | So you'd say the standard 2.4 debian patches are enough ? No need for pax and stuff ? |
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| 15:22.18 | oldman | greetings... |
| 15:22.27 | culete | hola |
| 15:22.33 | fatal_ | McKillroy: pax is discontinued AFAIK. |
| 15:22.41 | culete | hola |
| 15:22.45 | oldman | i'm having a problem with debian on ibm eserver xseries 235 |
| 15:22.51 | Super_Cat_Frog | ok debian testing it is. thanks all |
| 15:22.55 | McKillroy | fatal_: Is it replaced by something ? |
| 15:22.58 | fatal_ | McKillroy: trivial local root hole found in the implementation, available in all versions.... |
| 15:23.01 | culete | hola |
| 15:23.12 | raf256 | hi \o/ |
| 15:23.21 | raf256 | how can I make an video from my screen? |
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| 15:23.48 | raf256 | to record entire screen - like take a screenshot each 0.3 second and then save as .png/.ppm sequence or into mpeg? |
| 15:23.58 | fatal_ | McKillroy: not as far as I know. |
| 15:23.58 | McKillroy | fatal_: How about RSBAC ? |
| 15:23.59 | ralf | maybe the autobuilders haven't finished compiling gcc-4.0-1 for all architectures yet |
| 15:24.07 | takatumi | ralf: ttyrec |
| 15:24.13 | takatumi | raf256: ^ |
| 15:24.24 | raf256 | takatumi: X screen |
| 15:24.25 | fatal_ | McKillroy: there's a reason that none of the grsecurity "hardening" features doesn't make it into the kernel..... |
| 15:24.44 | McKillroy | fatal_: IC. It blocks too much good stuff. |
| 15:24.55 | culete | hola guapa |
| 15:24.59 | TinoW | fatal_: hardon features? ;) |
| 15:25.02 | clojster | really - torsmo 0.18-5 suxxx |
| 15:25.10 | clojster | a little bit OT :) |
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| 15:25.26 | culete | vamos a follar |
| 15:25.32 | streuner | clojster: its debian package, so its _OT_ |
| 15:25.42 | McKillroy | fatal_: So is the standard 2.4 debian kernel considered secure enough for servers with local shell users ? |
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| 15:25.54 | culete | vamos ho siiiiiiiiiiii |
| 15:25.57 | streuner | clojster: s/_OT_/not _OT_/ |
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| 15:25.58 | TinoW | raf256: xwd in a loop |
| 15:26.03 | culete | feo |
| 15:26.10 | raf256 | TinoW: thanx \o/ |
| 15:26.13 | culete | guarrro mamon |
| 15:26.13 | streuner | !es |
| 15:26.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:26.16 | culete | capallo |
| 15:26.19 | clojster | streuner: ???? |
| 15:26.22 | McKillroy | fatal_: AFAIK they can can even break out of chroot ... |
| 15:26.39 | takatumi | clojster: what's wrong with it? |
| 15:26.40 | culete | desconecta |
| 15:26.42 | streuner | clojster: why do you think its OT to speak about debian packages? |
| 15:26.52 | culete | desconecta |
| 15:26.59 | culete | cabron |
| 15:27.07 | fatal_ | McKillroy: breaking out of chroot is trivial by design.... if you want to prevent it you need to redesign chroot, not reimplement it..... |
| 15:27.21 | McKillroy | Argh .. |
| 15:27.22 | clojster | streuner: hmm. okay then |
| 15:27.26 | culete | tonto tu mad |
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| 15:27.49 | culete | tu madre es una pu que no tiene pe en el co |
| 15:27.55 | clojster | takatumi: fonts not working right... the only bug I know of |
| 15:28.05 | fatal_ | McKillroy: (meaning, chroot sucks and there's nothing you can do about it without replacing it with something else..... like UML, or whatever) |
| 15:28.11 | clojster | takatumi: but it is enough for me |
| 15:28.20 | culete | mariconson soy una tia |
| 15:28.23 | streuner | takatumi: it doesn't show fonts correctly |
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| 15:28.27 | umbop | UML? isn't that for design specs? |
| 15:28.29 | raf256 | TinoW: any idea how to convert dump files from xwd into usable format, like .png? |
| 15:28.30 | McKillroy | fatal_: So - would you say following the securing-debian is enough for a beginning ? BTW - cant you break out of UML yet ? |
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| 15:28.46 | dli | raf256, convert ? |
| 15:28.56 | raf256 | dli: indeed, thanx |
| 15:29.01 | fatal_ | umbop: unified modeling language vs. usermode linux |
| 15:29.32 | umbop | ahh |
| 15:29.52 | TinoW | raf256: mjpegtools should be able to read directly, then there is netpbm and "convert" from imagemagick |
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| 15:30.07 | umbop | never heard of usermode linux, is that like selinux? |
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| 15:30.17 | ncp | after i have installede nvidia drivers, an updatede kernel-headers every thing i apt-get (etc. xmms ) just return "Segmentation fault" howcome ? |
| 15:30.22 | fatal_ | McKillroy: I don't beleive in security by obscurity (especially when you're using "standardised" obscurity stuff, they aren't obscure enough)..... so yes. |
| 15:30.23 | TinoW | umbop: no, totally different. Isnt even remotely related |
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| 15:30.30 | umbop | ok |
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| 15:30.55 | LordFrith | What's a boot option to make a sarge installation CD boot as a rescue disk? |
| 15:31.21 | TinoW | the xen demo cd makes a good rescue disk :) |
| 15:31.47 | umbop | it doesn't have a rescue mode option in sarge |
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| 15:31.53 | LordFrith | Damn. |
| 15:31.55 | McKillroy | fatal_: Thank you. |
| 15:32.00 | fatal_ | LordFrith: "rescue"? ... I usually boot as usual and press alt-f2 when the installer-menu appears... |
| 15:32.19 | umbop | or make a grub disk |
| 15:32.30 | fatal_ | LordFrith: check the documentation... I'm sure it says something about rescue mode. |
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| 15:33.04 | LordFrith | Well, I'm in the process of trying to diagnose a bad system, and I was hoping on a nice, quick boot to a minimal mode to see if the computer can handle it. |
| 15:33.14 | LordFrith | Not that I think it's going to work, mind you. |
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| 15:33.41 | Gand_DJ | Heya... I was wondering if anyone could give me a guess on how old debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso would be (for when it was released) |
| 15:34.13 | renzo | hello |
| 15:34.19 | PerfDave | 3.0r1... late 2002 / early 2003? |
| 15:34.33 | ncp | i have just updatede kernel-headers an installede nvidia drivers for my gfx. but now, when i apt-get etc. xmms an execute in terminal i just get "segmentation fault" i have triede with other apps to, but same error... do anybody know about this error? |
| 15:34.33 | streuner | clojster: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/02/06/debian/pool/main/t/torsmo/ |
| 15:34.40 | Gand_DJ | ok. Have you tried the uae program that came with it? |
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| 15:34.56 | CruX | hi, ip of my server is 192.168.0.1, my PC ip is 192.168.0.5, I add this rule : iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.0.1 --dport 8019 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.5:21, and I can't connect from 192.168.0.5. to 192.168.0.1:21, why ? |
| 15:35.05 | clojster | streuner: yep |
| 15:35.17 | CruX | 192.168.0.1:8019 |
| 15:35.23 | renzo | I'm trying to install debian on an older compaq computer. It tells me, that no drivers for my harddisk are installed and that I need to get modules of a floppy |
| 15:35.26 | clojster | streuner: I've already found it... I forgott to tell you |
| 15:35.33 | streuner | hm |
| 15:35.34 | renzo | where do I get these modules? |
| 15:35.45 | PerfDave | Gand_DJ: Nope, I have no idea what a uae program is. |
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| 15:35.52 | PerfDave | renzo: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 15:36.01 | Gand_DJ | uae = unix amiga emulator |
| 15:36.13 | Gand_DJ | It's in contrib/otherosf |
| 15:36.17 | clojster | streuner: but thanks... |
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| 15:36.24 | streuner | np |
| 15:36.26 | renzo | PerfDave: not recently I have to admit. Read it like 4 years ago |
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| 15:36.32 | renzo | may be I should do that |
| 15:36.39 | clojster | streuner: oh, do you have some usefull scripts for torsmo? |
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| 15:37.22 | cbr | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph -> p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso` failed! |
| 15:37.32 | cbr | is this some glibc bug? |
| 15:38.02 | PerfDave | renzo: Might be helpful ;) |
| 15:38.06 | zl2tod | I'm running sarge. logrotate seems to be ignoring it's conf and rotating daily and saving on week's worth of logs while the conf says to rotate weekly and save 4 weeks worth .... anyone else seeing this ? |
| 15:39.16 | greycat | cbr: sure sounds like one |
| 15:39.49 | cbr | i'll try some workaround.. |
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| 15:45.26 | ralf | how can I build a program from the source package? |
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| 15:45.37 | Shadur | debuild |
| 15:45.40 | ralf | i have orig.tar.gz and xxx.dsc |
| 15:45.42 | ralf | ok |
| 15:45.48 | kooldeb | ralf: what format is the current package ? |
| 15:45.58 | OmegaNine-Sleep | no more configure, make, make install? |
| 15:46.01 | ralf | i fetched it from a debian repository |
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| 15:46.21 | ralf | there are 3 files |
| 15:46.26 | ralf | tar.gz, dsc and diff.gz |
| 15:46.58 | caphuso | ralf: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc, cd foo-1.2.3; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 15:47.06 | streuner | clojster: google for 'torsmorc' |
| 15:47.07 | ralf | ok |
| 15:47.33 | clojster | streuner: :) |
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| 15:49.22 | ralf | caphuso: and i will get a .deb package? |
| 15:49.31 | caphuso | ralf: no, a .rpm... |
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| 15:49.39 | ralf | lol |
| 15:50.09 | caphuso | ralf: seriously, what else than a .deb do you expect to get from building a debian source package? |
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| 15:50.45 | ralf | maybe it build the program and leave it in the current dir |
| 15:50.51 | ralf | like make does |
| 15:50.56 | ralf | never tried before |
| 15:51.22 | renzo | PerfDave: excuse me asking, but I can't find anything in the debian installation manual about modules needed for HDs |
| 15:51.41 | mfrisch | ok how do you make a boot disk for floppy. dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/file.IMG ????/ |
| 15:51.44 | renzo | just a list of non supported SCSI controllers, mine isn't one of them though I think |
| 15:51.45 | JohnnyST | Is there some package in sarge that dose intrusion detection? |
| 15:51.56 | directhex|work | tripwire? |
| 15:52.07 | JohnnyST | ok |
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| 15:52.10 | abrotman | !tell JohnnyST about search |
| 15:52.12 | umbop | mfrisch: no if=/path/to/file of=/dev/fd0 |
| 15:52.17 | romulo | in wich package i can find the "brctl" utility? |
| 15:52.28 | mfrisch | umbop cool |
| 15:52.36 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: do you know anything about php zend? |
| 15:52.56 | petemc | romulo: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:53.00 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: it's part of php .. why? |
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| 15:53.27 | JohnnyST | abrotman: I more after if someone have some recomendations on such kind of software. |
| 15:53.35 | romulo | petemc, i already did and it doesnt find anything |
| 15:53.44 | onre | 2spo2k |
| 15:53.46 | onre | whoa. |
| 15:53.52 | petemc | romulo: huh? it tells you how to search |
| 15:53.52 | onre | wonder where that came from. |
| 15:54.16 | mfrisch | umbop I had a space that wasn't supposed to be there THANKS |
| 15:54.19 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: the php version in sarge which is 4.1.3 I think has a version of zend that is 1.3 or something like that |
| 15:54.20 | romulo | petemc, i already searched and didnt found any results |
| 15:54.29 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I need zend 2.X for a project |
| 15:54.30 | umbop | god plesk is awful |
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| 15:55.00 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: actually php4 in sarge is 4.3.10 |
| 15:55.00 | petemc | romulo: i doubt that - read the factoid again |
| 15:55.07 | romulo | petemc, k |
| 15:55.15 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: what about it ? |
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| 15:55.58 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I was just wondering if the zend part of it could be upgraded or if using a newer version of php would be the thing to do |
| 15:56.04 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: dunno |
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| 15:56.21 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: ok |
| 15:56.50 | drac | This might be a stupid question, but i'm trying to verify I don't get this wrong. I don't need 'psmouse' module, for usb mouse? |
| 15:57.03 | drac | Only usbhid, mousedev? |
| 15:57.05 | streuner | drac: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
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| 15:57.21 | streuner | drac: HINT: MAKEDEV... |
| 15:57.41 | drac | thanks. |
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| 15:59.10 | douglas_ | Does anyone know how to run the kde first run wizard or just change the visual effects slider bar presented in the first run wizard? |
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| 16:00.49 | grepper | douglas_: kpersonalizer |
| 16:01.12 | douglas_ | Thank you. |
| 16:01.41 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: ask #php ? |
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| 16:03.43 | clojster | xdr: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 16:03.55 | clojster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:04.07 | clojster | which group do I have to be in to run X? |
| 16:06.10 | Essobi | Is there any easier way to make a custom kernel package then kmake? |
| 16:06.40 | Essobi | It's kinda a PITA. |
| 16:07.35 | stouset | make-kpkg |
| 16:07.35 | zl2tod | clojster, try root |
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| 16:07.51 | stouset | Essobi: It's in the kernel-package deb |
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| 16:08.49 | budluva | i know this might be off topic but has anyone purchased a psp yet? |
| 16:09.50 | madclicker | another dumb question but "Is there a irc channel for M$?" |
| 16:10.07 | zl2tod | there's a brave man |
| 16:10.14 | Gathond | madclicker: probably |
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| 16:10.41 | clojster | I don't want to run it as root |
| 16:10.55 | madclicker | Gathond: i tried #microsoft but nada |
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| 16:11.14 | Gathond | madclicker: #windows perhaps |
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| 16:12.04 | madclicker | Gathond: its not qiet that |
| 16:12.17 | CosmoDad | can anyone give me a hint on how to create a debian package out of a binary installer? I've used dh_make with sources only so far |
| 16:12.45 | CosmoDad | that is, I have a binary installer to an application and I'd like to encapsulate the installation process into a debian package |
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| 16:13.17 | snail | whats the command to get the version number of an installed package? |
| 16:13.47 | asg | snail: dpkg -l <pkg> or apt-cache policy <pkg> |
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| 16:15.38 | Dr_O | CosmoDad: try checkinstall |
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| 16:15.50 | DetVedJegIk | Hello, I want to write cd's with nautilus, but the /dev/hdc which is my writer, is in the group "disk" .. which group should it be in, and what permissions should it have? |
| 16:16.33 | CosmoDad | Dr_O: it wouldn't care about dependencies and stuff AFAIK |
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| 16:16.49 | Dr_O | CosmoDad: ? |
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| 16:17.00 | snail | asg: thank you very much |
| 16:17.05 | asg | snail: you're welcome |
| 16:17.06 | CosmoDad | Dr_O: you cannot name dependent packages and stuff like that, using checkinstall |
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| 16:17.43 | Dr_O | CosmoDad: I'll take your word for it!... |
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| 16:18.42 | CosmoDad | Dr_O: actually I don't have many deps, so I think I can use checkinstall in this case |
| 16:18.44 | CosmoDad | Dr_O: thx |
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| 16:19.27 | DetVedJegIk | Do I ask this question in the wrong phorum? |
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| 16:19.42 | McKillroy | How is Ubuntu compared to Debian ? |
| 16:19.55 | DetVedJegIk | McKillroy : Different. |
| 16:19.55 | greycat | !ubuntu |
| 16:19.56 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 16:20.37 | McKillroy | Di I have to consider myself as a human being to use ubuntu ? |
| 16:20.57 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 16:20.58 | greycat | McKillroy: no. it helps if you consider yourself a troll, actually. |
| 16:21.07 | DetVedJegIk | McKillroy : /join #Ubuntu |
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| 16:21.24 | qwertz | Hi! At my school I've only access to the internet through a proxy on port 8080, so I can't get a direct ssh connection to my server at home. So is there any way to tunnel ssh through the proxy? |
| 16:21.25 | abrotman | !d-i McKillroy |
| 16:21.42 | dpkg | McKillroy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 16:21.42 | greycat | qwertz: httptunnel comes to mind |
| 16:21.42 | Dr_O | CosmoDad: You could always checkinstall it... install it... modify /var/lib/dpkg/status to include the depends then use dpkg-repack to rebuild the modified deb |
| 16:21.54 | rikva | qwertz: use putty |
| 16:21.55 | Dr_O | CosmoDad: Maybe?!? |
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| 16:22.22 | rikva | qwertz: i had the same problem, i tunnel ssh over port 443 (ssl) thry the proxy |
| 16:22.35 | McKillroy | I'm just looking for a hardened kernel that doesnt break X. |
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| 16:22.46 | CosmoDad | Dr_O: possibly -- I'll keep that in mind |
| 16:22.49 | McKillroy | I'd prefer staying with Debian |
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| 16:22.52 | abrotman | why in gods name would you use ubuntu for that? |
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| 16:23.09 | abrotman | wait .. wasn't some other moron asking about that a while ago? |
| 16:23.27 | DetVedJegIk | abrotman : I don't use Ubuntu, though. |
| 16:23.35 | asg | abrotman: ick iirc |
| 16:23.47 | McKillroy | Dunno - I was looking in hardened-debian and was suggested to use ubuntu.hardened |
| 16:24.06 | abrotman | then use what you're comfortable with .. this is not #ubuntu .. nor do we wish to discuss it |
| 16:24.41 | DetVedJegIk | Maybe I better wait for the troll to get kicked? |
| 16:24.53 | McKillroy | abrotman: Argh ... I'm mostly comfortable with Debian. Just want a hardened Kernel. |
| 16:25.03 | abrotman | McKillroy: google "securing debian" |
| 16:25.10 | abrotman | hell .. google "securing linux |
| 16:25.11 | abrotman | " |
| 16:25.13 | asg | McKillroy: then compile one with grsecurity patches and disable PaX. That should work fine. |
| 16:25.16 | abrotman | now go fucking google |
| 16:25.25 | RichiH | McKillroy: also, install bastille |
| 16:25.33 | McKillroy | Well .. i f.. googled and rwead a lot. |
| 16:25.34 | asg | McKillroy: and read the harden-doc package |
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| 16:25.44 | abrotman | McKillroy: you don't want to google or read? |
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| 16:26.01 | greycat | why the hell do they call it "hardened" when they really mean "feature-deprived"? |
| 16:26.20 | RichiH | heh |
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| 16:26.47 | McKillroy | My starting point is the kernel ... of course i read a lot of stuff. I just did not decide yet, if i fuck up the whole kernel thing and use a standard kernel. |
| 16:26.47 | asg | McKillroy: or use OpenBSD |
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| 16:26.52 | McKillroy | Naw ... |
| 16:26.58 | abrotman | or use a security/hardened minded distro |
| 16:27.08 | McKillroy | rofl |
| 16:27.34 | Rydekull | hmm |
| 16:28.14 | greycat | McKillroy: what is it that you want your system to *do* that debian is not capable of doing? |
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| 16:28.47 | abrotman | run ubuntu and be secure .. at the same time! |
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| 16:29.00 | cyrille_ | is there anyone using latex here? |
| 16:29.03 | OmegaNine-Sleep | Ugh umbuntu |
| 16:29.08 | McKillroy | greycat: its a multi-purpose server: http, mail, database, shell, etc |
| 16:29.11 | Dr_O | Hmm.. my understanding is that a hardened kernel means that if people break in they can do less damage... Still need to do the basics to keep them out! |
| 16:29.13 | RichiH | cyrille_: every night |
| 16:29.22 | DetVedJegIk | /kill McKickroy /join #OpenBSD for security. |
| 16:29.29 | abrotman | RichiH: got a suit? |
| 16:29.33 | cyrille_ | RichiH, ah ah ah |
| 16:29.49 | RichiH | abrotman: i prefer the ballgag thongs |
| 16:30.19 | DetVedJegIk | I hope you forgive me for repeating my question? |
| 16:30.27 | greycat | Dr_O: and the reason they can do less damage is because they can do less *stuff* in the first place. |
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| 16:31.07 | Rydekull | greycat: http://www.aboutrealstuff.com/arc/fr/debian/ there is some bot in here logging :P |
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| 16:31.08 | DetVedJegIk | Hello, I want to write cd's with nautilus, but the /dev/hdc which is my writer, is in the group "disk" .. which group should it be in, and what permissions should it have? |
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| 16:31.41 | abrotman | RichiH: i know a few people we can use those on :) |
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| 16:32.00 | mwelsh | I am connecting to a remote server with ssh, and i want to be able to edit some files with a local editor. how do i do this? |
| 16:32.12 | greycat | Dr_O: which restriction is also applicable to users who *didn't* break in. |
| 16:32.12 | greycat | McKillroy: that did not answer my question. which one of those features is debian not capable of performing? |
| 16:32.18 | McKillroy | greycat: I will have a bunch of local users and probably insecure services. So I want to separate functionality as far as possible. Of course I'll do the standard sec. procedures described in the various howtos. And ITM I wonder about that kernel hardening or not question. |
| 16:32.24 | qwertz | rikva, where do i have to set the proxy in the proxies or in the tunnel tab? |
| 16:32.28 | asg | mwelsh: does the remove not have an editor? |
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| 16:32.47 | rikva | qwertz: proxy tab, you dont need to make a tunnel |
| 16:32.48 | greycat | May I ask a stupid question? Too bad, I'm going to ask it anyway. WHY would you put untrusted shell users on your web server? |
| 16:32.49 | mwelsh | asg: i can use vi, but i would prefer something... else |
| 16:33.07 | asg | mwelsh: then scp them locally ; edit them ; scp them back |
| 16:33.10 | sean | I'm running debian 3.0 -- I can't install festival, successfully, I get "install-sgmlcatalog: error: '--install' option is deprecated" is there a fix for this? |
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| 16:33.20 | asg | mwelsh: another option is sshfs (or shfs now iirc) |
| 16:33.21 | qwertz | rikva, thanks will try it tomorrow |
| 16:33.21 | McKillroy | greycat: Maybe I should just stick with a grsecurity patched 2.4 kernel. |
| 16:33.26 | mwelsh | asg: thats what i am doing now, but i was hoping for a better way |
| 16:33.32 | rikva | qwertz: np |
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| 16:33.57 | mwelsh | what is sshfs? |
| 16:34.00 | qwertz | greycat, thanks for the hint when the use of putty fails, I'll try httptunnel |
| 16:34.16 | DetVedJegIk | I want to write cd's with nautilus, but the /dev/hdc which is my writer, is in the group "disk" .. which group should it be in, and what permissions should it have? |
| 16:34.19 | Frankablue | mwelsh: I would guess a file system mounted over ssh? |
| 16:34.30 | mwelsh | looks that way |
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| 16:34.43 | rikva | qwertz: note that the default ssh port is 22, only i use port 443 because port 22 is blocked in my schools proxy. So i portmapped port 443 to ssh @ my server @ home |
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| 16:35.13 | greycat | you "portmapped" it? |
| 16:35.22 | greycat | why not just tell sshd to listen on port 443? |
| 16:35.37 | rikva | greycat: good question |
| 16:35.46 | DetVedJegIk | greycat : Shouldn't httpd ssl run on 443 ? |
| 16:35.48 | Frankablue | greycat: Because that means you can't connecxt normally |
| 16:35.50 | rikva | ah, i know, i use port 22 intern |
| 16:35.54 | greycat | Frankablue: wrong. |
| 16:36.01 | Frankablue | greycat: No right |
| 16:36.04 | greycat | you can tell OpenSSH to listen on as many ports as you wish. |
| 16:36.06 | greycat | At the same time. |
| 16:36.11 | rikva | yes, normalle 443 is ssl, but i dont use ssl. |
| 16:36.14 | Frankablue | greycat: True but 22 is standard |
| 16:36.23 | tredi_ | c'Ú qualcuno che scrive in italiano? |
| 16:36.28 | McKillroy | greycat and abrotman: which Kernel would you use for a multipurpose server ? |
| 16:36.28 | RichiH | !it |
| 16:36.29 | dpkg | [italian] per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 16:36.29 | stew | !it |
| 16:36.29 | asg | !it |
| 16:36.32 | greycat | heh |
| 16:36.40 | asg | we all whacked it |
| 16:36.44 | greycat | McKillroy: OpenBSD |
| 16:36.49 | tredi_ | grassie |
| 16:36.51 | zahod | mwelsh, at least with vim you can: vim scp://remoteuser@server.tld//path/to/document |
| 16:36.53 | DetVedJegIk | Is it true that the Linux kernel is fat, and debian is switching to BSD? |
| 16:36.58 | greycat | DetVedJegIk: no. |
| 16:37.03 | RichiH | tredi_: de nada |
| 16:37.03 | greycat | DetVedJegIk: well, the first part is true. |
| 16:37.05 | paulswm | DetVedJegIk: no |
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| 16:37.29 | qwertz | rikva, thanks will have a deeper look at the net tomorrow |
| 16:37.41 | rikva | qwertz: ok! |
| 16:37.51 | asg | RichiH: if it isn't, we won't be able to decipher the swearing that will result. |
| 16:37.58 | Kerr | rip debian/bsd as of late '02 |
| 16:37.59 | Kerr | O.o |
| 16:38.01 | RichiH | asg: he |
| 16:38.03 | RichiH | heh |
| 16:38.06 | DetVedJegIk | greycat : There was some talk about Debian FreeBSD or something some time ago .. was it too hard to port the binaries? |
| 16:38.21 | greycat | DetVedJegIk: /j #debian-bsd |
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| 16:38.34 | greycat | oops, that's not showing a topic any more... is it renamed? |
| 16:38.53 | Kerr | greycat: probably dropped due to maluse |
| 16:38.55 | caphuso | 18:38 -!- Topic for #debian-bsd: Welcome to the Debian GNU/*BSD channel | |
| 16:38.55 | Ungy | what is the command for changing time again |
| 16:38.58 | greycat | 12:38 <- notice[ChanServ] #debian-bsd << ACTIVE >> created 3 years 13 weeks |
| 16:38.58 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.08 | asg | greycat: /list #debian-bsd shows one |
| 16:39.09 | greycat | caphuso: then why is "/list #debian-bsd" showing nothing? |
| 16:39.21 | RichiH | greycat: chanserv shows it as the only debian channel which has bsd in the name |
| 16:39.30 | DetVedJegIk | greycat : I see your point. totally dead. Except for McKillroy and rikva |
| 16:39.33 | caphuso | greycat: works for me... 18:39 -!- [zelazny.freenode.net] #debian-bsd 3 Welcome to the Debian GNU/*BSD |
| 16:39.42 | RichiH | greycat: is your chat window that small? |
| 16:39.42 | rikva | DetVedJegIk: was just looking like you :p |
| 16:39.50 | green_earz | DetVedJegIk: are you in the group dist as a user command groups and what is the group of /dev/hdc mount point ? |
| 16:39.52 | greycat | RichiH: must be a Freenode bug. |
| 16:39.59 | greycat | RichiH: it worked on the third try. Not on the first two. |
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| 16:40.28 | DetVedJegIk | green_earz : I am not in the group disk .. the group of /dev/hdc mountpoint I will check. |
| 16:40.29 | RichiH | greycat: what did you do? chanserv list? |
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| 16:41.02 | greycat | RichiH: I did "/list #debian-bsd", then "/list #debianbsd", then another "/list #debian-bsd", then a "/msg chanserv list #*deb*bsd*" ... |
| 16:41.03 | clojster | xdr: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
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| 16:41.16 | caphuso | there's also #gnu-kbsd |
| 16:41.20 | clojster | why can't I run X as regular user? |
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| 16:41.54 | RichiH | greycat: /list only works when the server decides it wants to spare the cpu time |
| 16:41.57 | DetVedJegIk | green_earz : Its in the group root :( |
| 16:42.04 | RichiH | greycat: where chanserv list always works |
| 16:42.08 | Ungy | what is the command to change time? |
| 16:42.15 | greycat | RichiH: I've never seen it fail in *that* way before. Usually it just says "server load is temporarily too heavy, please try again later?" |
| 16:42.15 | asg | Ungy: /msg dpkg time |
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| 16:42.22 | DetVedJegIk | green_earz : The mountpoint is /cdrom, and its in the group root. |
| 16:42.24 | rikva | clojster: you should be able to, what is the error? |
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| 16:42.29 | RichiH | greycat: indeed, that's what it should do |
| 16:42.29 | asg | Ungy: bah, /msg dpkg date |
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| 16:42.44 | caphuso | Ungy: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 16:42.47 | Ungy | tahnks |
| 16:42.48 | asg | Ungy: bah * 2 /msg dpkg set the time |
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| 16:43.05 | green_earz | DetVedJegIk; use the command groups first to see what groups you are in |
| 16:43.06 | asg | whoohoo! |
| 16:43.15 | stew | clojster: are you trying to start x from somewhere other than console? |
| 16:43.20 | clojster | rikva: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
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| 16:43.44 | clojster | stew: yep, from another X server... aterm |
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| 16:44.00 | clojster | stew: so I assume its problem |
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| 16:44.01 | stew | clojster: man Xwrapper.config maybe |
| 16:44.11 | RichiH | greycat: stupid |
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| 16:44.21 | RichiH | greycat: asg does not need cookies.. he needs beer |
| 16:44.29 | RichiH | and a stab in the eyes |
| 16:44.36 | Ungy | thank you very much |
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| 16:44.53 | pole | is there a dri guide somewhere? |
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| 16:45.12 | greycat | 12:43 * caphuso pads asg on the back, and feeds him a cookie |
| 16:45.33 | asg | RichiH: ;) |
| 16:45.50 | RichiH | greycat: greycat, caphuso, where is difference? |
| 16:46.22 | RichiH | pole: /msg dpkg dri |
| 16:46.33 | mwelsh | if i want to add user 'u' to group 'g', is this done by logging in as root and running vigr and just appending the username to the end of the group? |
| 16:46.46 | stew | mwelsh: adduser u g |
| 16:47.35 | greycat | mwelsh: that's one way. |
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| 16:49.05 | mwelsh | asg: do you use sshfs? |
| 16:49.29 | asg | mwelsh: no, I fooled with it early on but it was too buggy. I've heard it is much improved now though. |
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| 16:49.58 | mwelsh | asg: does a server have to be configured to use it, and if so, is there a way to check if it is? |
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| 16:50.23 | asg | mwelsh: no, iirc, the server doesn't, only the client. |
| 16:50.40 | bluefox83 | where does debian keep it's logs of boot sequences? |
| 16:50.47 | mwelsh | asg: hmm... ok. i'm getting some permission problems |
| 16:51.01 | streuner | bluefox83: /var/log/dmesg |
| 16:51.04 | mwelsh | but i am in the right group |
| 16:51.07 | bluefox83 | ty |
| 16:51.26 | asg | mwelsh: start looking at /var/log/auth.log on the server to see if it has any obvious information on what could be wrong |
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| 16:52.03 | asg | mwelsh: also, /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 16:55.52 | Vivaldi | hello |
| 16:56.03 | Vivaldi | i can't install debian |
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| 16:56.23 | bluefox83 | i keep getting a long line of something in during bootup, i'll paste one line here, can you folks tell m ewhat it is and how to stop it? |
| 16:56.28 | bluefox83 | drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: input irq status -84 received |
| 16:56.29 | Vivaldi | the installer fails to format and mount a partition |
| 16:56.34 | Vivaldi | incredible |
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| 16:56.47 | bluefox83 | Vivaldi: try using linux26 during boot: |
| 16:56.49 | streuner | bluefox83: /msg dpkg flood |
| 16:56.55 | Vivaldi | this installer has been suffering the same problem for 2 years |
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| 16:57.03 | Vivaldi | bluedwarf, that's what i did |
| 16:57.09 | snail | I've just filed a bug report (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=306600) is there any expected care and maintainance i'm expected to give it from this point? or will i get email from the system / maintainers if they need anything? |
| 16:57.28 | snail | Vivaldi: what kind of systema re you trying to install it on? |
| 16:57.36 | Vivaldi | it is not possible this problem has never happened to anyone before |
| 16:57.47 | bluefox83 | streuner: i only pasted one line, get off your high horse |
| 16:58.08 | snail | is it a standard, relatively modern PC with a standard dick controller and standard disks? |
| 16:58.08 | Vivaldi | snail, what do you mean? i am trying to install a debian-sarge system on my pc |
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| 16:58.17 | streuner | bluefox83: thank you |
| 16:58.17 | asg | dick controller? |
| 16:58.19 | streuner | :-) |
| 16:58.35 | streuner | bluefox83: that message tell you an error? |
| 16:58.37 | Ungy | dick controller wtf??? |
| 16:58.43 | Vivaldi | snail, this pc is 5 years old, it's a piii. and i have never had any problems with other distros |
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| 16:58.46 | snail | Vivaldi: so it's a 32 bit intel system |
| 16:58.46 | asg | Ungy: /lastlog snail |
| 16:58.50 | Vivaldi | all the hw is supported |
| 16:58.56 | Vivaldi | yes |
| 16:58.56 | bluefox83 | streuner: what message? the one i pasted? |
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| 16:59.10 | streuner | yep |
| 16:59.17 | SuperHamster | Does anyone knows where I can find the source for the linuxrc in the bf24 initrd from the woody install CD? |
| 16:59.21 | snail | Ungy: diSk controller, sorry |
| 16:59.25 | treestone | snail: If anyone follows up (replies) to that bug report, you'll get it as an email. |
| 16:59.39 | bluefox83 | streuner: no, it just repeats itself over 30 times during boot.. |
| 16:59.42 | snail | treestone: thanks |
| 16:59.42 | asg | SuperHamster: just mount the initrd over loopback and grab it |
| 16:59.45 | Vivaldi | i wonder whether kubuntu ubuntu and so on have the same installer |
| 16:59.55 | SuperHamster | asg: It's a binary |
| 17:00.05 | stew | Vivaldi: ubuntu uses an unmodified d-i |
| 17:00.11 | SuperHamster | asg: linuxrc, I mean |
| 17:00.19 | snail | Vivaldi: do you get any error messages? |
| 17:00.21 | asg | SuperHamster: oh, my mistake |
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| 17:00.54 | Vivaldi | snail, yes, "file not found" referring to the device file to be mounted |
| 17:01.14 | Vivaldi | this error should deal with the _deprecated_ devfs |
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| 17:01.56 | jard | hi, i'm thinking of creating debian mirror; i386 arch; woody, sarge & sid including, how much diskspace do i need ? |
| 17:02.19 | streuner | bluefox83: using d-i? |
| 17:02.33 | greycat | GAH. Internet is broken here. Lunch time. |
| 17:02.34 | bluefox83 | streuner: whats d-i? |
| 17:02.41 | streuner | !d-i |
| 17:02.41 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 17:02.44 | Vivaldi | is there a way to bypass the installer? |
| 17:02.58 | Vivaldi | is there a way to bypass the installer in the cd of debian-sarge? |
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| 17:03.05 | bluefox83 | streuner: my installation has been installed for nearly a year.. |
| 17:03.06 | asg | Vivaldi: boot with alternate media (live cd) and use debootstrap |
| 17:03.35 | streuner | bluefox83: and that's happens suddently? |
| 17:03.39 | Vivaldi | asg, what do you mean by "live cd". can i install debian-sarge from a livecd? |
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| 17:03.56 | streuner | bluefox83: what did you change? |
| 17:04.01 | stew | Vivaldi: /msg dpkg debootstrap ; /msg dpkg chroot install |
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| 17:04.11 | bluefox83 | streuner: happens when i boot kernel-image-2.6.10 or 2.6.10 |
| 17:04.34 | streuner | bluefox83: check BTS |
| 17:04.38 | stew | Vivaldi: by live cd he means something like knoppix or ubuntu or something |
| 17:04.44 | Vivaldi | ok, let's try this debootstrap |
| 17:05.01 | bluefox83 | streuner: you're going to hate me (if you don't already) i don't know what BTS is.. |
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| 17:05.07 | jcuk | having some problems again, with xmms on debian |
| 17:05.11 | bluefox83 | !BTS |
| 17:05.11 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:05.16 | jcuk | using debian version 3.1 sarge |
| 17:05.17 | bluefox83 | OH! |
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| 17:05.24 | bluefox83 | heh.. |
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| 17:06.14 | Vivaldi | stew, yes..but it's important to get the same debian-sarge distro as i were to install sarge from a normal cd |
| 17:06.15 | jcuk | When im trying to listen to live streaming files from shoutcast source (.pls) i can open with xmms but it displays pre-buffering then buffers upto the 24kb's then keeps rebuffering |
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| 17:06.49 | stew | Vivaldi: what is the problem you are having with d-i? |
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| 17:06.58 | jcuk | Anyone know how to overcome this problem? i have tried other streams from different ip.s i have even extracted the URL and tried through that. Still wont work. |
| 17:07.11 | ecko | hey quick question, does anyone else seem to have the problem in debian where if you do the command 'users' you get users who are no longer logged in |
| 17:07.22 | ecko | like I see myself 8 times and I know I don't have any terminals open |
| 17:07.25 | Vivaldi | stew, the installer fails to format and mount a partition |
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| 17:07.48 | stew | Vivaldi: any error messages? |
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| 17:07.58 | Vivaldi | stew, yes, "file not found" referring to the device file to be mounted |
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| 17:08.11 | stew | Vivaldi: which device file? |
| 17:08.17 | Vivaldi | hda1 |
| 17:08.30 | jcuk | Err how do i force quit wine?? |
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| 17:08.38 | stew | Vivaldi: it should be using devfs |
| 17:08.43 | Vivaldi | of course |
| 17:08.45 | stew | Vivaldi: like /dev/ide/bus0/... |
| 17:09.00 | Vivaldi | it's the equivalent of hda1 in terms of devfs |
| 17:09.03 | stew | Vivaldi: what version of the installer are you using? a recent one? |
| 17:09.15 | stew | Vivaldi: huh? |
| 17:09.29 | stew | Vivaldi: give us an exact error message |
| 17:09.39 | Vivaldi | Stew, i am using whatever is in the -sarge iso cd |
| 17:10.06 | stew | Vivaldi: when did you download it, from where |
| 17:10.18 | Vivaldi | yesterday from deb repos |
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| 17:12.56 | penguin | What does the character map application do? |
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| 17:14.02 | penguin | ?????? |
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| 17:15.07 | asg | penguin: /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/README.Debian (should explain) as should 'apt-cache show <pkg>' |
| 17:15.09 | penguin | ? |
| 17:15.18 | penguin | I got it. |
| 17:15.23 | nhStar | penguin: it allows you to select and copy out characters from unicode... stuff that wouldn't show up on your normal keyboard... I use it a lot to get copyright symbols, etc. |
| 17:15.23 | penguin | Pretty cool |
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| 17:16.03 | penguin | ?????? |
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| 17:19.16 | jcuk | What media players can play .pls files? |
| 17:19.27 | s-ndh-c_ | my x wont start, the logfile says something about that it cannot open /dev/agpgart or something like that |
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| 17:19.44 | s-ndh-c_ | why isnt it in my kernel if its needed? |
| 17:20.11 | asg | s-ndh-c_: not everyone runs X. modprobe agpgart |
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| 17:21.05 | CruX | jcuk: mplayer ? :) |
| 17:21.34 | s-ndh-c_ | asg: it isnt in /lib/modules |
| 17:21.52 | s-ndh-c_ | i think i will compile a vanila kernel by hand |
| 17:21.53 | stew | s-ndh-c_: what does uname -r say? |
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| 17:22.09 | nathan_ | hello, i am looking for a good desktop implementation of debian, and ive heard alot of good things regarding mepis, i was curious if anyone here has any input on that particular debian distro? |
| 17:22.28 | tuxyRochefort | nathan_, knoppix, ubuntu |
| 17:22.32 | stew | !d-i nathan_ |
| 17:22.33 | dpkg | nathan_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 17:22.48 | s-ndh-c_ | stew: ur right, i forgot to boot the new kernel: it says 2.2-x-ide-pci |
| 17:22.54 | stew | !idepci |
| 17:22.54 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Tux cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 17:22.54 | asg | !idepci |
| 17:22.55 | tuxyRochefort | nathan_, i tried mepis, but it hasnt convinced me |
| 17:22.59 | chealer | nathan_: nathan_those aren't debian distros |
| 17:23.03 | asg | !win stew |
| 17:23.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 17:23.05 | chealer | sorry |
| 17:23.11 | CruX | ?? sux |
| 17:23.22 | s-ndh-c_ | will boot the new one |
| 17:23.30 | chealer | they are debian forks focused on the desktop |
| 17:23.48 | nathan_ | chealer, ah, my apologies if i misworded it |
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| 17:24.02 | PerfDave | nathan_: Debian is a good Desktop implementation of Debian :) |
| 17:24.08 | chealer | nathan_: don't worry, you're not alone |
| 17:24.17 | penguin | What is the sed command to only print matching lines? |
| 17:24.48 | jcuk | joke. |
| 17:24.53 | jcuk | i done apt-cache search ati |
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| 17:25.05 | jcuk | whats with all those packages |
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| 17:25.21 | nathan_ | PerfDave, how is debian at detecting and setting up hardware during installation? i am looking to for something that can be setup quickly across a dozen or so machines in a corperate enviroment |
| 17:25.43 | Knorrie | uhmmm I'm tyring to install squirrelmail but it still wants to install apache2 even if I have installed apache 1.3 already |
| 17:26.06 | PerfDave | nathan_: Sarge is fine for hardware detection, and there are tools like fai and replicator to help. You can also easily set up customised installers to preconfigure specific options for your site. |
| 17:26.19 | greycat | Damned interweb! |
| 17:26.22 | nathan_ | these machines are Pentium 3s, 512mb of ram, pretty basic hardware, some have ati video cards, others have nvidia |
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| 17:26.32 | stew | nathan_: d-i deos a great job of detecting hardware |
| 17:26.39 | Hamled | what tool in imagemagick allows me to resize jpegs? |
| 17:26.43 | Knorrie | apt-cache show squirrelmail says it depends on apache2 or httpd, and apache 1.3 says it provides httpd |
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| 17:27.19 | asg | Hamled: convert |
| 17:27.25 | Hamled | thanks |
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| 17:28.19 | nathan_ | PerfDave, thanks, does debian still require you to specificy settings for each package it installs during setup as it did 2 years ago? (i havent done a fresh install of debian in atleast that long) |
| 17:28.24 | chealer | Knorrie: what's your release? |
| 17:28.28 | penguin | Testing seems to detect hardware very well |
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| 17:28.52 | treestone | Testing is Sarge.. |
| 17:29.03 | penguin | I got testing up and going on this crappy Dell dimension with no tweaks |
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| 17:29.18 | valdyn | nathan_: i doubt it did that 2 years ago, it depends on what debconf is set to |
| 17:29.26 | PerfDave | nathan_: Debian didn't require that two years ago, and still doesn't. You can specify the level of detail you wish to be asked about. |
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| 17:30.02 | nathan_ | whats the best way to go from stable (i would like to do the installs from a mini-iso) to sarge? |
| 17:30.05 | PerfDave | nathan_: You can also preconfigure installs with site-specific options. |
| 17:30.20 | nathan_ | PerfDave, awesome |
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| 17:30.23 | PerfDave | nathan_: dist-upgrade. You can install with a Sarge netinstaller or mini-iso. |
| 17:30.25 | penguin | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:30.37 | PerfDave | nathan_: You would be better off installing Sarge directly. |
| 17:30.57 | penguin | I think Sarge is better than Woody all around |
| 17:31.12 | nathan_ | ah, ill have to search around for a sarge mini-iso |
| 17:31.20 | asg | nathan_: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 17:31.25 | greycat | nathan_: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 17:31.41 | greycat | but if you haven't *already* installed stable, just use d-i |
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| 17:32.21 | TheMoebius2 | I have a package installed with apt-get. How do I get the version number of it? |
| 17:32.36 | PerfDave | TheMoebius2: dpkg -l $package |
| 17:32.49 | TheMoebius2 | k |
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| 17:36.34 | xpato | with dd, bs indicates the size of the chunk of data to written until count? |
| 17:37.25 | stew | xpato: bs is the size of the chunk, count is the number of chunks |
| 17:37.34 | jcuk | ok ive got a tar.bz2 file sitting here. how do i extract/untar? |
| 17:37.49 | asg | jcuk: tar xjf |
| 17:37.56 | jcuk | thanks |
| 17:37.57 | asg | jcuk: apt-get install bzip2 (if you don't have it) |
| 17:38.08 | jcuk | kk |
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| 17:38.29 | greycat | jcuk: /msg dpkg tar |
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| 17:39.25 | jcuk | nice greycat, Thanks guys |
| 17:39.52 | Cyis | anyone know how to get OpenLDAP to try and authenticate using SASL against a Kerberos realm that is a sub-domain? ie- BLAH.EXAMPLE.COM rather than EXAMPLE.COM ? |
| 17:40.15 | asg | list #ldap |
| 17:40.18 | asg | bah |
| 17:40.29 | Knorrie | chealer: sorry for waiting! Sarge |
| 17:40.32 | asg | Cyis: try #ldap |
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| 17:40.45 | Knorrie | i have apache 1.3.33-4 |
| 17:40.51 | Cyis | asg: thanks... i tried #openldap and it was empty :) |
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| 17:41.12 | Knorrie | squirrelmail is Version: 2:1.4.4-5, depends on: apache2 | httpd |
| 17:41.16 | simonrvn | !find firebird2-dev |
| 17:41.20 | jcuk | # tar xjt mplayerxp-0.5.1.tar.bz2 |
| 17:41.20 | dpkg | firebird2-dev: (Development files for Firebird - a RDBMS based on InterBase 6.0 code), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.5.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 246 kB, Installed size: 728 kB |
| 17:41.20 | jcuk | tar: You may not specify more than one `-Acdtrux' option |
| 17:41.20 | jcuk | Try `tar --help' for more information. |
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| 17:41.46 | simonrvn | jcuk: just apt-get it from marillat |
| 17:41.53 | carbon60 | Afternoon all. |
| 17:41.59 | asg | jcuk: tar xjf (not xjt) |
| 17:42.01 | ecliptik | what's mplayerxp? I thought it was just mplayer? |
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| 17:42.14 | jcuk | oh k |
| 17:42.18 | asg | ecliptik: extra pretty? |
| 17:42.26 | jcuk | simonrvn i tried apt-cache search mplayer. wasent there though |
| 17:42.33 | simonrvn | bah. fricking thing wants crazy deps |
| 17:42.34 | carbon60 | What is simplest thing I can run on a router system to give me complete stats on what traffic is running through it? |
| 17:42.48 | carbon60 | Not like MRTG where you have to individually setup monitoring. |
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| 17:43.04 | chealer | Knorrie: can you dpkg -l apache ? |
| 17:43.05 | ecliptik | haha |
| 17:43.05 | carbon60 | I'm thinking more about something that monitors all traffic and presents it somehow. |
| 17:43.20 | Knorrie | ii apache |
| 17:43.21 | carbon60 | So I can ask questions about traffic without having setup things in advance. |
| 17:43.45 | greycat | Hi, what's that thing that does all the things for me? You know, that thing? |
| 17:43.48 | chealer | Knorrie: I know apt-get is stupid sometimes, try with a real package manager |
| 17:43.55 | asg | greycat: the whatsit? |
| 17:43.59 | greycat | asg: no! |
| 17:44.01 | Knorrie | upgrading the same squirrelmail works fine on another box |
| 17:44.16 | Knorrie | but installing on an new system doesnt |
| 17:44.20 | simonrvn | greycat: thingnamajig called a brain? ;p |
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| 17:44.46 | ecliptik | jcuk, add: deb ftp://ftp.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-marillat unstable main into your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:44.48 | Knorrie | chealer: so what do you consider better than apt-get? |
| 17:44.55 | greycat | simonrvn: no, you guyz SUX0RZ!!! |
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| 17:45.03 | simonrvn | onoz!!!!111 |
| 17:45.06 | ecliptik | jcuk, then do an apt-get update ; a few versions of mplayer will show up, as well as some codecs |
| 17:45.06 | Knorrie | chealer: just dpkg -i the whole stuff myself? |
| 17:45.10 | davis | anybody know how to configure debian so that cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_redirects will return 0? |
| 17:45.15 | chealer | Knorrie: for this, I know aptitude is. usually, I use synaptic though |
| 17:45.21 | jcuk | k |
| 17:45.30 | asg | davis: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_redirects |
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| 17:45.40 | chealer | Knorrie: hum, as a ultimate mean |
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| 17:45.47 | davis | is my only choice to do that echo in a init.d script? |
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| 17:45.59 | simonrvn | no. man sysctl.conf |
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| 17:46.22 | davis | simonrvn: is that for me? |
| 17:46.34 | Knorrie | ok i'll try. i used dselect before, but i'm quite comf with apt-get. but when it's not a squirrelmail but a apt-get problem, using another way will prob fix it for me |
| 17:46.40 | stew | davis: yes |
| 17:46.47 | davis | ok thanks |
| 17:46.52 | Knorrie | thanks |
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| 17:47.25 | simonrvn | Dave123: no, it's for the person next to you, sitting on your shoulder |
| 17:47.31 | simonrvn | Dave123: sorry |
| 17:47.39 | simonrvn | davis: no, it's for the person next to you, sitting on your shoulder |
| 17:47.58 | davis | simonrvn: heh. you didn't prefix it with my name, so I wasnt sure. |
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| 17:49.07 | davis | so I put net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_redirects=0 in my sysctl.conf file. but /etc/init.d/networking restart did not change the setting in proc. |
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| 17:49.52 | davis | i dont see a init.d for sysctl either. |
| 17:49.59 | davis | ie to reread the config file. |
| 17:49.59 | simonrvn | davis: no, it wouldn't. man sysctl |
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| 17:50.54 | davis | ok sysctl -p made the change effective. |
| 17:51.08 | davis | how do I ensure that it will be run the next time I boot. |
| 17:51.20 | davis | what init script causes sysctl to run? |
| 17:51.46 | davis | ahh i see. procps |
| 17:51.50 | davis | thanks |
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| 17:52.42 | jcuk | erm |
| 17:52.45 | jcuk | DAMNIT |
| 17:52.58 | jcuk | ecliptik |
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| 17:53.45 | simonrvn | "give a person a fish...." |
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| 17:56.02 | scholmo | Hi |
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| 17:56.28 | scholmo | I have tried to disable dma with grub but not successfull |
| 17:56.39 | scholmo | with ide=nodma idedma=off |
| 17:56.48 | scholmo | any other tips boot ? :) |
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| 17:57.34 | resiak | streuner: SYN |
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| 17:58.29 | RichiH | resiak: FIN |
| 17:58.36 | stew | man in the middle! |
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| 17:59.28 | spiekey | hi |
| 17:59.42 | llahm | What is the canonical regular expression library for C++? |
| 17:59.53 | abrotman | #c ? |
| 17:59.59 | stew | llahm: #c++ |
| 18:00.00 | spiekey | any idea why it wont find my mouse on my laptop? http://rafb.net/paste/results/5w0SBh68.html |
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| 18:00.45 | stew | spiekey: 2.6 kernel? |
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| 18:00.50 | spiekey | yup |
| 18:00.57 | stew | spiekey: !WikiFaq spiekey OtherHardware |
| 18:01.11 | stew | err |
| 18:01.15 | stew | !WikiFaq spiekey OtherHardware |
| 18:01.15 | dpkg | spiekey: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:02.44 | shingouz | spiekey: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
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| 18:03.21 | abrotman | caphuso: we don't like mhall ? |
| 18:03.38 | caphuso | abrotman: i've warned him at least dozens of time to not ask off topic questions |
| 18:04.18 | abrotman | oh |
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| 18:04.52 | grendal_prime | whos good with serial connections? |
| 18:05.03 | caphuso | a hp-48G |
| 18:05.09 | spiekey | thanks! |
| 18:05.20 | slocate | gelignite: ttys0 |
| 18:05.24 | stew | grendal_prime: if you have a real question, just ask it |
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| 18:05.44 | caphuso | 18:49 caphuso> mhall: off topic 18:50 mhall> caphuso you know, i'd turn on the part of my brain that cares about your opinion, but sadly there isn't one |
| 18:05.49 | grendal_prime | We have a machine here uses procom to connect via a special serial adapter to a router that then dials out to a server |
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| 18:06.14 | grendal_prime | im thinking that we could just use the terminal on a linux box instead of procom |
| 18:06.19 | abrotman | caphuso: is that the mhall columnist? |
| 18:06.26 | caphuso | abrotman: don't know |
| 18:06.51 | caphuso | abrotman: streuner says he is |
| 18:06.56 | grendal_prime | but i dont know a lot about serial communications quite frankly and i have never messed with procom accept with this thing |
| 18:06.57 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
| 18:07.03 | shingouz | the only m hall i (used to) know was a real nice guy at least. not the columnist |
| 18:07.30 | asg | caphuso: then again, streuner eats cookies he finds in MREs left by GIs in the woods |
| 18:07.55 | abrotman | asg: like they go bad .. ever |
| 18:08.05 | caphuso | asg: heh |
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| 18:08.30 | asg | abrotman: no but I wouldn't just eat questionable comestibles either. |
| 18:08.49 | abrotman | asg: like .. beer? |
| 18:09.03 | grendal_prime | basically i guess what im asking is how would i go about sending the auth info via tty1? or somthing along those lines |
| 18:09.05 | streuner | asg: shut up :-) |
| 18:09.09 | asg | streuner: hehe ;) |
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| 18:09.45 | chimaera | i have problems some buttons and the scrollwheel of my logitech bluetooth MX 900 working, they don't even create events (xev). any ideas? |
| 18:10.03 | grendal_prime | procom is emulating a vt200 i believe |
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| 18:10.25 | caphuso | grendal_prime: minicom maybe |
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| 18:11.13 | VoX | whats the xpackage i need to dpkg-reconfigure now that i have a new video card? i cant remember |
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| 18:11.18 | caphuso | VoX: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:11.23 | VoX | danke |
| 18:11.48 | grendal_prime | i forget that all the time too |
| 18:11.53 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 18:12.09 | grendal_prime | caphuso, minicom...hold on ill look it up |
| 18:12.43 | VoX | what would i use for a voodoo5? glide? |
| 18:12.51 | abrotman | that's a new card? |
| 18:13.01 | VoX | it had a voodoo3 in it before :P |
| 18:13.28 | VoX | and the vd5 was free |
| 18:13.30 | VoX | *shrug* |
| 18:14.00 | caphuso | VoX: tdfx or so, IIRC |
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| 18:14.18 | grendal_prime | caphuso, there is no way to just connect directly with like.. X terminal emulator |
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| 18:17.54 | VoX | hmm |
| 18:18.13 | VoX | my XF86Config hasnt changed |
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| 18:21.06 | Tempus2 | Hello. Has anyone in here ever found a find running on its own on woody? |
| 18:21.20 | tarzeau | Temp[Away]: yes |
| 18:21.28 | Tempus2 | tarzeau: This normal? |
| 18:21.31 | simonrvn | every day, during cron.daily |
| 18:21.32 | tarzeau | yes |
| 18:21.35 | asg | Tempus2: at certain times of the day, yes |
| 18:21.40 | chealer | you really have a voodoo5? |
| 18:21.43 | Tempus2 | been in the middle of the night |
| 18:21.52 | Tempus2 | wakes me up, because it's an old machine |
| 18:22.00 | tarzeau | Tempus2: turn it off |
| 18:22.02 | VoX | chealer: yep |
| 18:22.05 | tarzeau | rm `which find` |
| 18:22.17 | VoX | chealer: dual-processor, 32mb ram per proc |
| 18:22.17 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 18:22.20 | Tempus2 | you don't want to remove it do you? |
| 18:22.25 | chealer | VoX: don't use it, collect it! :) |
| 18:22.25 | asg | Tempus2: no, you don't |
| 18:22.29 | tarzeau | if i want sleep, |
| 18:22.29 | Tempus2 | thatd remove the command, which i use frequently |
| 18:22.33 | VoX | chealer: haha |
| 18:22.38 | abrotman | Tempus2: remove the cron job if you don't wnt it to run |
| 18:22.42 | asg | Tempus2: find out which job is running it and change it to run at a better time. |
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| 18:22.52 | abrotman | Tempus2: it's running the updatedb cron scrpit |
| 18:23.03 | Tempus2 | abrotman: Where's that? |
| 18:23.11 | abrotman | Tempus2: /etc/cron.daily if i had to guess |
| 18:23.15 | Minase^ | hi. how does one get a kernel module for debian? (without recompiling/configuring a new kernel). i can't seem to find and documentation on this very basic thing... |
| 18:23.22 | Tempus2 | okay, thanks. I'll search for that. |
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| 18:23.29 | nathan_ | Tempus, or replace the hard drive with one manufactured after 1985 ;) |
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| 18:23.43 | Tempus2 | nathan_: my machine isn't that old :P |
| 18:23.48 | abrotman | Tempus2: it's the /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 18:24.04 | abrotman | Tempus2: but if you use locate .. your database will be out of date |
| 18:24.22 | abrotman | Tempus2: i have an idea .. shut your computer down when you're not using it ... |
| 18:24.32 | Tempus2 | abrotman: Should I change it to a better time? |
| 18:24.43 | Tempus2 | abrotman: I can't. I'm hosting my website on it, among other things. |
| 18:24.53 | cahoot | Tempus2: make it a wake up call |
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| 18:25.02 | Tempus2 | heh |
| 18:25.04 | stew | Tempus2: you could also change cron.daily to run at a less objectionable time |
| 18:25.09 | abrotman | Tempus2: it's part of the cron.daily runparts .. you'd have to change the time that runs .. but if say get up at 6am or something .. you could run it while you're at work etc |
| 18:25.15 | VoX | when i dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 where does the conf file go? |
| 18:25.19 | simonrvn | like at when you wake up, or a bit after |
| 18:25.42 | gradetwo | hello guys |
| 18:25.48 | nathan_ | have it run at the same time you set your alarm too |
| 18:25.48 | asg | VoX: /etc/X11/XF86Config{-4} |
| 18:25.50 | nathan_ | lol |
| 18:25.58 | VoX | asg: that's whati thought |
| 18:26.03 | asg | VoX: if yours didn't update, read the comments at the top of the existing file for a workaround. |
| 18:26.04 | VoX | but there's nothing there |
| 18:26.10 | VoX | ah |
| 18:26.12 | Tempus2 | abrotman: Where do I tell it the time I want it to run? |
| 18:26.13 | stew | VoX: read the first few comments in that file about the md5sum or /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 18:26.22 | abrotman | Tempus2: in root's crontab |
| 18:26.25 | asg | VoX: also, /msg dpkg x md5 |
| 18:26.41 | Tempus2 | root's crontab? lol. Sorry, Linux newbie here. |
| 18:26.46 | abrotman | Tempus2: or so i thought |
| 18:27.04 | abrotman | Tempus2: /etc/crontab |
| 18:27.16 | Tempus2 | Okay |
| 18:27.18 | nathan_ | wow, cdimage.debian.org is quick, getting a steady 800KB/sec |
| 18:27.24 | simonrvn | that's not root's crontab |
| 18:27.34 | abrotman | simonrvn: i know |
| 18:27.38 | simonrvn | ok :) |
| 18:27.39 | abrotman | simonrvn: i thought it was in roots .. |
| 18:27.46 | VoX | asg: ah, XF86Config-4 never worked for me, so i deleted it and used XF86Config instead.. |
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| 18:28.35 | Tempus2 | i dont see anything about find in there, abrotman. |
| 18:28.39 | VoX | how would i go about generating a new XF86Config file then? |
| 18:28.51 | abrotman | Tempus2: there aren't three lines? |
| 18:28.58 | abrotman | Tempus2: says run-parts cron.daily ? |
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| 18:29.07 | Tempus2 | yea that's there |
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| 18:29.25 | abrotman | Tempus2: i told you . that cronjob runs as part of the systems run-parts for cron.daily |
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| 18:29.42 | abrotman | Tempus2: if you really don't want it to happen .. chmod a-x /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 18:29.43 | azez | How can I use mimencode with mailx? |
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| 18:29.51 | greycat | azez: just use mutt. |
| 18:29.57 | Tempus2 | how do i go about editing this so it runs at a different time? |
| 18:30.02 | greycat | mutt -a file-to-attach -s "subject" recipient@address < body.txt |
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| 18:30.08 | abrotman | Tempus2: or .. move the script somewhere else .. then literally put it in the /etc/crontab |
| 18:30.17 | greycat | Tempus2: editor /etc/crontab |
| 18:30.17 | nathan_ | whats the best gui solution for burning iso images to cd? |
| 18:30.27 | abrotman | what's your gui ? |
| 18:30.27 | JoshH | k3b |
| 18:30.31 | Tempus2 | greycat: Yea I get that, im not that new to it :P |
| 18:30.32 | greycat | nathan_: why the hell do you need a GUI for burning an ISO? |
| 18:30.35 | appaji | nathan_: apparently the one that is shipped with KDE. |
| 18:30.38 | greycat | nathan_: cdrecord -v dev=blah image.iso |
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| 18:30.51 | Minase^ | so umm... can anyone tell me? i'm sure it's something really simple but i'm using debian for the first time today. TBH it's only so i can mount some reiserfs partitions so i can install another distro... |
| 18:30.56 | nathan_ | im setting up a debian desktop for my fiance.... |
| 18:30.56 | greycat | throw in driveropts=burnfree if you need it |
| 18:31.07 | stouset | nathan_: she'll call off the wedding; don't do it |
| 18:31.12 | JoshH | fiances and command line do not mix |
| 18:31.16 | greycat | nathan_: alias burn='cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 driveropts=burnfree' |
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| 18:31.18 | saabins | greycat: I can not use mutt because file is being piped | mailx and do not know the name of attachment |
| 18:31.19 | abrotman | JoshH: commands do :) |
| 18:31.20 | greycat | nathan_: burn image.iso |
| 18:31.23 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 18:31.24 | JoshH | hah |
| 18:31.25 | JoshH | thats true |
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| 18:31.35 | Seb | any easy way to know what a package version was before I upgraded it ? |
| 18:31.36 | greycat | saabins: how the hell are you going to attach a file if you DON'T KNOW ITS NAME?!? |
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| 18:31.46 | greycat | saabins: do you just generate random file names until you get the right one?> |
| 18:31.58 | koalab | how do i find all text mathing it a reg exp, and replace it with something else |
| 18:32.06 | Seb | koalab: sed/perl |
| 18:32.07 | greycat | koalab: sed, perl |
| 18:32.11 | saabins | greycat: aha |
| 18:32.11 | Seb | heh |
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| 18:32.37 | Seb | so, I upgraded package foo to the latest vetrsion available in sid, and I'd like to know what version this package was on my system before the upgrade |
| 18:32.47 | Seb | how do I do that ? |
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| 18:33.00 | greycat | Seb: if you still have the old one in /var/cache/apt/archives, ls will show it. |
| 18:33.09 | saabins | greycat: does it matter where I put From: me@xyz.com when using sendmail -t |
| 18:33.13 | Tempus2 | Thanks for pointing me in the right direction guys. I should be paying attention to class, lol. I'll see you later. |
| 18:33.15 | saabins | ? |
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| 18:33.29 | Seb | greycat: unfortunately I don't |
| 18:33.34 | shingouz | Minase^: modprobe or modconf should be able to help you |
| 18:33.36 | greycat | saabins: why would sendmail care what you put in the header other than To: and Cc: and Bcc:? |
| 18:33.50 | greycat | saabins: do you think it even *looks* at your MUA From: header? |
| 18:33.58 | Minase^ | shingouz: there is no modules on this install. i need to get them, not load them |
| 18:34.00 | appaji | Seb: try looking for /var/cache/apt/archives/pkg* |
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| 18:34.22 | Seb | appaji: greycat just suggested this, but It's not there anymore |
| 18:34.28 | Seb | is there really no other way ? |
| 18:34.29 | shingouz | Minase^: could you do uname -r for me? i'd like to know what kernel you run there |
| 18:34.33 | Minase^ | 2.4.29 |
| 18:34.39 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Seb |
| 18:34.39 | dpkg | Seb: wenas how does I run teh grafixx windows ????? |
| 18:34.42 | dan2 | asg: yo, I know you are here! |
| 18:34.45 | greycat | Seb: then there's no way to know except by reading the output of dpkg during the upgrade. Which, if you threw *that* away too, is your only hope shattered. |
| 18:35.01 | shingouz | Minase^: how did you get the kernel there, with apt-get i hope |
| 18:35.02 | saabins | greycat: This is viable solution but it matters the order where From: is placed ? http://www.unix.com/archive/index.php/t-25.html last message |
| 18:35.10 | cahoot | Seb: aptitude writes a log - if you use that |
| 18:35.18 | Seb | greycat: damn |
| 18:35.21 | greycat | saabins: whatever you're doing, it sucks. |
| 18:35.27 | Minase^ | shingouz: it's a fresh install, and i didn't do the installing. it's a colo machine. i tried searching apt for reiser but no modules show up |
| 18:35.27 | Seb | cahoot: well, I guess I should use aptitude over apt-get :\ |
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| 18:35.37 | greycat | saabins: sendmail does NOT read the From: header. The From: header is ONLY read by the recipient's MUA. |
| 18:35.41 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 18:35.41 | dpkg | mail tutorial is probably at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 18:35.48 | shingouz | Minase^: you sure it runs debian then? |
| 18:36.06 | Minase^ | shingouz: ...yes :P |
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| 18:36.12 | s-ndh-c_ | i have a problem |
| 18:36.14 | shingouz | k :) |
| 18:36.31 | shingouz | Minase^: sec, lemme check somehting |
| 18:36.54 | s-ndh-c_ | after migrating to sarge from woody3.0, Lilo doesnt work anymore |
| 18:37.09 | Seb | sequentially, rather |
| 18:37.23 | saabins | greycat: will "tee" make a difference as pipe fitting? |
| 18:37.45 | Seb | dpkg, tell s-ndh-c_ about doesn't work |
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| 18:38.19 | s-ndh-c_ | lilo doesnt realy load at all, it just show Li and then stops |
| 18:38.32 | simonrvn | @li |
| 18:38.34 | ravenbird | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large. There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. or lithium. You could always try using grub instead :) |
| 18:38.38 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: boot with rescue disk, chroot into your linux system if necessary, then run lilo |
| 18:38.42 | shingouz | Minase^: right. try modconf, should be there if it has been compiled in in the first place |
| 18:38.45 | guru | afternoon everyone |
| 18:39.22 | Minase^ | shingouz: no, it's not. as i said, there are *no* modules installed. i'd guess i need to install them with apt, but i don't know how because none seem to show up in apt-cache search |
| 18:39.23 | s-ndh-c_ | greycat: k, only have used grub before |
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| 18:40.40 | shingouz | Minase^: the modules should be there already, they come with the kernel-image-foo.deb. check /lib/modules if you have a proper directory for the modules in the first place |
| 18:40.56 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: that's a viable solution also |
| 18:41.06 | Minase^ | shingouz: i've checked. /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers contains nothing |
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| 18:41.33 | Minase^ | so if i apt-get the correct kernel image, all the modules should come with it? i'll try that i guess? |
| 18:41.37 | shingouz | Minase^: damn. did you install the system yourself remotely or was it already installed |
| 18:41.47 | shingouz | Minase^: installing a new kernel shoudl cure it, yes |
| 18:41.59 | Minase^ | shingouz: it was already installed. i'm using it as a springboard installation to get something else installed remotely |
| 18:42.13 | shingouz | Minase^: hehehe... i hope it is debian ;) |
| 18:42.29 | Minase^ | shingouz: ...uhh.... yes. uhh. of course it is ;) |
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| 18:42.59 | shingouz | Minase^: you sure you are going to install debian on it? absolutely sure? as in not installing knoppix? ;) |
| 18:43.35 | Minase^ | okay, so i'll be honest. i'm installing slackware :\ |
| 18:44.07 | shingouz | Minase^: if you do not have physical access to the server, make sure you get all the appropriate modules for the network and such when you reboot the server with the new kernel |
| 18:44.46 | onre | and keep your fingers crossed. |
| 18:44.54 | shingouz | that too |
| 18:44.56 | Minase^ | "Sorry, kernel-image-2.4.29 is already the newest version." -- :\ |
| 18:45.11 | shingouz | wtf? |
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| 18:45.23 | shingouz | Minase^: cat /etc/debian_version please |
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| 18:45.34 | Minase^ | 3.0 |
| 18:45.46 | shad0w1e | Hi. Does anyone know how to change my default window manager to enlightenment? I'm using kdm |
| 18:45.57 | saabins | my last question "cat test.txt | sendmail -t From: me@me.com Subject: Hello" does not work. Any idea how to use sendmail command line? |
| 18:46.14 | greycat | !IYHTAYS |
| 18:46.14 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 18:46.15 | shingouz | maybe you should try apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6 and go up a bit |
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| 18:46.48 | shad0w1e | dpkg: that directed at me? |
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| 18:46.57 | mcm75 | hi all, I was hopeing someone could help me with winbind ad integration |
| 18:47.09 | mcm75 | I have tried #samba but it is rather quiet |
| 18:47.24 | citral | !piav |
| 18:47.25 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 18:47.25 | golya | Hi! I'm having problems with fsck on a fat32 partition. At boot time I always get the error message below |
| 18:47.26 | golya | There are differences between boot sector and its backup. |
| 18:47.26 | golya | Differences: (offset:original/backup) |
| 18:47.26 | golya | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:47.41 | shingouz | lets see if we have a "sorry" soon ;) |
| 18:48.07 | Minase^ | how do i extract a .deb to look at the files? i thought it was just a tar file? |
| 18:48.10 | citral | I like the "sorry, I've been disconnected" one :) |
| 18:48.15 | chealer | imurdock: :? |
| 18:48.17 | greycat | Minase^: it's an ar file with tar.gz files in it |
| 18:48.26 | simonrvn | and a text file |
| 18:48.26 | Essobi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.46 | Minase^ | ar file? never heard of that. how do i extract it? |
| 18:48.49 | greycat | man ar |
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| 18:49.02 | greycat | you know, the non-tape version of tar. |
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| 18:49.19 | simonrvn | man this thing flies... |
| 18:49.19 | furrywolf | golya: run dosfsck manually, answer copy main to backup when prompted |
| 18:49.36 | golya | furrywolf: I tried this, but still the same error |
| 18:49.42 | RichiH | where tar does not really use tapes in most cases any more, anyway, i think ;) |
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| 18:49.52 | Minase^ | so... how do you extract it, then? :) |
| 18:49.53 | golya | And fsck eats up all CPU, and never finishes. |
| 18:50.07 | citral | Minase^: read the freaking manual |
| 18:50.37 | shingouz | wouldnt dpkg -L foo spit out the contents (/me could be wrong here) |
| 18:50.39 | golya | It's a big partition (130 Gb) |
| 18:50.39 | Minase^ | what freaking manual? oh, wait... this install is missing 'ar'. i just assumed the command didn't exist |
| 18:50.56 | furrywolf | golya: did you run fsck, or dosfsck? |
| 18:51.00 | kooldeb | ok this is more of a security Q than anything. When they say that a wireless card supports 128 bit encryption, are they saying that the maximum size of the key is 128 bit ? if so, to achieve 128 bit, how long should the key be in characters ? |
| 18:51.17 | doub | golya: either your file system is in a very bad condition, in which case no fsck can recover all, or the unix fsck doesn't know enough to correctly repair that. try using the native one |
| 18:51.17 | Minase^ | apt doesn't know about 'ar' either... |
| 18:51.32 | zinx | kooldeb: the key *is* 128 bits. |
| 18:51.40 | furrywolf | golya: use dosfsck -w /dev/whatever |
| 18:51.47 | zinx | kooldeb: there are hashing algorithms to turn plaintext keys of varying lengths in to a 128 bit key |
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| 18:52.07 | furrywolf | there's some bug where if you run it as fsck rather than dosfsck, it prompts you, but doesn't actually do anything. |
| 18:52.10 | citral | Minase^: hint: it's in binutils |
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| 18:52.49 | Minase^ | citral: thanks. i have it now :) |
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| 18:54.16 | golya | furrywolf: thx, running as dosfsck seems to work. Will it be corrected sometime? |
| 18:54.55 | furrywolf | golya: check to see if a bug report has been filed... I don't use it myself (ran into it helping someone else), so didn't file one. |
| 18:55.23 | doub | greycat: is the IYHTAYS really easier to type than the original one? just a doubt |
| 18:55.26 | drini_ | fsck.vfat and fsck.msdos neet a flag (I don't know if -y or -w) to actually perfom changes |
| 18:55.27 | s-ndh-c_ | strange |
| 18:55.57 | golya | strange, anyway, that it mis-corrected a file to 0 byte long ;( |
| 18:56.04 | furrywolf | drini: yes. fsck -w, however, still prompts and doesn't do anything even though it says it's doing something, while dosfsck -w looks identical, but works. :) |
| 18:56.28 | furrywolf | golya: dosfsck's primary mode of operation is to truncate anything it doesn't like. :) |
| 18:56.34 | s-ndh-c_ | where do i find lilos config files? there seems to be nothing in /boot than the kernel and some images |
| 18:56.48 | furrywolf | s-ndh: /etc/lilo* |
| 18:56.49 | shingouz | s-ndh-c_: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 18:57.01 | golya | furrywolf: that's a nice thing, especially when it is run automatically at boot time ;(((( |
| 18:57.18 | shingouz | s-ndh-c_: and of course do a man lilo.conf before you hack into the file... |
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| 18:57.47 | furrywolf | golya: I don't use fat on anything but flash cards, so haven't used dosfsck much... |
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| 18:58.36 | SyphonAI | is there a site that people can goto that will list the lated packages available to Debian ? |
| 18:58.52 | Delph | packages.debian.org ? |
| 18:59.11 | shingouz | SyphonAI: you can also use apt-cache search |
| 18:59.25 | golya | ok, I'm trying to reboot... |
| 18:59.28 | golya | thx all |
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| 19:00.00 | s-ndh-c_ | how can i disable pcspeaker, do i have to build a kernel by hand and disable that feature in my kernel config? |
| 19:00.08 | s-ndh-c_ | or is there an other way? |
| 19:00.11 | kooldeb | zinx: hmm then what would be the difference between a 10 or 30 chars password key ? |
| 19:00.23 | zinx | kooldeb: about 20 character |
| 19:00.26 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 19:00.30 | SyphonAI | Delph, thanks, what i was looking for, i just want to see what's available, see if anythign seems interesting to install and try |
| 19:00.39 | kooldeb | zinx: no I meant as far as acheiving a 128 bit |
| 19:00.43 | furrywolf | extra characters make it a lot harder for dictionary attacks to work |
| 19:00.46 | kooldeb | you silly :P |
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| 19:00.53 | zinx | kooldeb: depends on the hashing algorithm used |
| 19:01.02 | rovragge | how do I figure out an X application windows class? |
| 19:01.03 | zinx | kooldeb: 128 bits is 16 bytes, fwiw |
| 19:01.08 | dan2 | furrywolf: going beyond alphanumeric makes it much harder for dictionary attack ;) |
| 19:01.13 | furrywolf | the standard approach to cracking passwords is to try common words/phrases/numbers/etc, rather than to brute-force all possible keys. |
| 19:01.15 | rovragge | xwininfo does not say |
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| 19:01.50 | kooldeb | zinx: so what would be the max key lenght in chars for a 128 bit encrpytion, any ideas ? |
| 19:01.51 | zinx | kooldeb: WEP at least (insecure as it is) will let you enter the hex bytes, so you can just randomly generate something |
| 19:02.04 | zinx | kooldeb: there's not a maximum |
| 19:02.04 | mops_ | when I do: chmod 644 /etc/cron.daily/file; will I prevent it from running? |
| 19:02.14 | mops_ | every day by cron? |
| 19:02.17 | zinx | kooldeb: hashing algorithms turn any amount of data in to a fixed amount of data |
| 19:02.24 | tarzeau | peterS: we had "connect", but kindly moved to "connect.app" |
| 19:02.25 | furrywolf | kooldeb: depends on the hash algorithm use. some, if you go over the block size, might xor the hash of the first half with the data of the second half and hash that, for example. |
| 19:02.49 | tarzeau | peterS: i resist to lart that guy to not pollute debian name space -- hilarious |
| 19:02.58 | nathan_ | is there any way to enable any type of font face smoothing in x? |
| 19:03.05 | caphuso | mops_: rename it to foo.disabled |
| 19:03.13 | mops_ | thanks |
| 19:03.20 | tarzeau | nathan_: for gtk? qt? gnustep? x11? sdl? |
| 19:03.25 | kooldeb | zinx: thats where am c,256,onfused: ok we know that longer key is of course better than shorter, so how the lenght of the key is associated with the 128, 256, or X bit encryption would be my Q :) |
| 19:03.31 | tarzeau | nathan_: what kind of fonts? bitmap? freetype? |
| 19:03.54 | zinx | kooldeb: as i stated before, the key is _EXACTLY_ the size of the bits needed for encryption |
| 19:03.55 | nathan_ | tarzeau, was hoping for something that covered all bases |
| 19:04.00 | furrywolf | kooldeB: get a book on basic cryptography. :) |
| 19:04.05 | tarzeau | nathan_: it doesn't exist |
| 19:04.14 | zinx | kooldeb: if it's asking for a passphrase, the passpharse is being hashed to _EXACTLY_ that size |
| 19:04.36 | nathan_ | tarzeau, oh well, figured it wouldnt hurt to ask |
| 19:04.38 | nathan_ | thanks |
| 19:04.52 | tarzeau | nathan_: i mean, it would be consistent! there would be no more "my stuff is better than yours" - "mine is more beautiful" wars! |
| 19:04.54 | zinx | kooldeb: hashing algorithms can transform 1 byte or 1 billion bytes in to the size needed |
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| 19:05.32 | kooldeb | zinx: good point, so why both making long keys if a short one will be to the size needed |
| 19:05.47 | furrywolf | passwords are hashed to a fixed size. if an attacker tries a brute-force _key_ attack, having "a" as your password is just as good as "a$ffgsd``43gdf()fsgf%4!{}[]/..,FDSGgsgf". But if the attacker tries an attack on the _passphrase_, the longer one is far harder. |
| 19:05.47 | zinx | kooldeb: it's probably best to just randomly generate the key directly, rather than dealing with a passphrase/key, but that may not be possible and it's harder to remember |
| 19:06.03 | zinx | kooldeb: to prevent dictionary/brute force attacks |
| 19:06.37 | nathan_ | tarzeau, i think it would be a worthwhile project... would increase the appeal for the "desktop facists", but who's to say thats a good thing |
| 19:07.08 | kooldeb | oh, so you are saying that lets say 1 chr pwd , and a 100 chars password: they both are 128 bit encryption, but the one char might take 1 sec to find but the 100 chars might take for ever ..? |
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| 19:08.22 | kooldeb | my point is, the lenght of the key is not associated with the encryption used (such as 128, 256 bit) |
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| 19:08.28 | patrickfwork | hi, can someone help me starting x-window-system? (I'm a beginner) |
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| 19:08.43 | furrywolf | kooldeb: exactly. it depends on if they're brute-forcing the password or if they're brute-forcing the key. brute-forcing the key is independent of the length of the password; there's still 2^128 keys to try. But brute-forcing the password is much harder for longer passwords, as dictionary attacks are much less likely to find them. |
| 19:09.33 | patrickfwork | I tried to start it with the command "exec startx", but I always get an error |
| 19:09.48 | patrickfwork | can someone help please? |
| 19:09.55 | mwelsh | patrickfwork: what is the error |
| 19:09.56 | abrotman | error is ? |
| 19:09.56 | greycat | do we have to guess what the error is? |
| 19:09.58 | Ronin | patrickfwork: what error |
| 19:10.07 | s-ndh-c_ | how do i reinstall a package? or how can i get the files back on /boot |
| 19:10.08 | furrywolf | and the error is...? |
| 19:10.16 | patrickfwork | "Fatal server error" |
| 19:10.17 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 19:10.23 | patrickfwork | "No screens found" |
| 19:10.26 | kooldeb | furrywolf: oh ok. That said, for maximum security, you would need a long key, AND a lenghty encryption key, for example, 4096 bit. |
| 19:10.28 | greycat | !noscreensfound |
| 19:10.29 | dpkg | hmm... noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 19:10.38 | k3k0 | can someone send debian sarge apt sources.list to me in private |
| 19:10.44 | greycat | k3k0: run apt-setup |
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| 19:10.45 | nathan_ | im working on getting my fiance away from desktops, she's a typical windows user... so far my best chance is osx, but id rather avoid that platform... to get performance acceptable to her i would have to get a 1ghz+ G4, where as debian would do her word processing, web browsing, email, and instant messaging tasks like a champ on a P3 500 i got lying around... she likes the 500mhz G3 system because it "looks pretty", tho OSX 10.3 ru |
| 19:10.45 | nathan_ | ns like a slug... which means once she is using it daily she will expect me to buy her a faster system *sigh* |
| 19:10.58 | nathan_ | er away from windows, heh |
| 19:11.02 | furrywolf | kooldeb: don't confuse asymetric keys with symetric keys. a 256 bit symmetric key might be far harder than a 2048 bit asymetric key to crack. |
| 19:11.18 | greycat | nathan_: try KDE for ex-windows users. |
| 19:11.19 | kooldeb | furrywolf: ya, am only talking about symmetric here |
| 19:11.35 | furrywolf | kooldeb: a 4096 bit symmetric key would be stupidly long. :) |
| 19:11.46 | nathan_ | greycat, her complaint is the "fonts look blocky compared to windows xp or osx" :/ |
| 19:11.49 | kooldeb | furrywolf: agreed, it was just an example :) |
| 19:11.53 | simonrvn | nathan_: linux and ppc like each other. that g3 would fly on linux (yes x too) |
| 19:11.54 | stouset | nathan_: GNOME is better than KDE for ex-Windows folk |
| 19:11.57 | k3k0 | greycat: thanx |
| 19:11.59 | nathan_ | they are supposedly harder for her to read |
| 19:12.07 | dan2 | stouset: gnome is much like mac |
| 19:12.12 | patrickfwork | you mean the next step is to run "apt-setup"? how I make this? |
| 19:12.12 | stouset | dan2: Exactly. |
| 19:12.16 | Minase^ | how do i get apt to install a package even though it *thinks* it has the latest version, when it doesn;t? |
| 19:12.20 | furrywolf | kooldeb: 4096 bits is a good length for an asymetric key, which is why I figured you might have meant that. |
| 19:12.21 | dan2 | nathan_: bitstream veras mono is pretty decent font |
| 19:12.32 | kooldeb | furrywolf: so if someone tries to guess my password, that would be under the category of attack on password, and not attack on key , correct ? |
| 19:12.40 | stouset | dan2: If by "like mac" you mean "simple to pick up" and "doesn't burden you with tons of complicated options that the average user won't need" I agree with you |
| 19:12.41 | dan2 | nathan_: or monospace, both of which I have no problem reading without my glasses |
| 19:12.41 | furrywolf | kooldeb: correct. |
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| 19:12.58 | kooldeb | furrywolf: and the attack on key would be under the brute force category ? |
| 19:13.01 | dan2 | stouset: I don't use xwindows except for bzflag |
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| 19:13.10 | stouset | dan2: Oh...okay. |
| 19:13.15 | kooldeb | since its gonna try ALL possible outcomes, from 1 to X |
| 19:13.20 | valdyn | Minase^: like for example? |
| 19:13.21 | furrywolf | kooldeb: they're both considered brute-force... brute-force just means any attack where trying massive numbers of possibilities is used. |
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| 19:13.35 | kooldeb | furrywolf: oh ok |
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| 19:14.22 | nathan_ | how would a G3 500 running linux compare to a P3 866 (both with 512mb of ram and comparabile video cards) performance wise? |
| 19:14.23 | Minase^ | valdyn: this problem i'm having with reiserfs support... i think the kernel has no modules because it was installed from a local repository with some custom packages or something. i modified sources.list to use the official debian stuff, but now of course it refuses to install the kernel i want because it thinks i already have it |
| 19:14.31 | k3k0 | greycat: if i remove sources.list from my system... do apt-setup make to me new ? |
| 19:14.49 | abrotman | why don't you move it to sources.list.old |
| 19:14.55 | valdyn | Minase^: you manually deleted it? |
| 19:15.02 | Minase^ | valdyn: deleted what? |
| 19:15.05 | furrywolf | let's say you have a file, encrypted with 128 bit aes, where the key is a hash of a passphrase. there's two ways to crack this. first is to try all 2^128 possible keys; this is a brute-force attack on the key, and a 1-char password is as good as 50 chars of line noise. the other approach is to randomly guess passwords, hash those, and try them as keys. this is a brute-force attack on the password, and having a long/unguessable password |
| 19:15.23 | k3k0 | abrotman: yeah that can be great idea |
| 19:15.27 | valdyn | Minase^: the missing kernel, or did you go into the effort to name your custom kernel like the debian kernel? |
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| 19:15.39 | valdyn | Minase^: which kernel is it? |
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| 19:15.58 | kooldeb | furrywolf: so for the wireless card encryption, if someone can brute force a 128 bit KEY, it does not matter if the actual pwd is 1 char or 200 |
| 19:16.01 | Minase^ | valdyn: i haven't done anything. new machine, looked and saw it had no modules. apparently i need to install kernel-image-2.4.29, but i already have it |
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| 19:16.35 | Minase^ | or apt thinks i already have it. but it was installed from a local repository at the colo facility, which i think is maybe why it has no module |
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| 19:16.38 | Minase^ | s |
| 19:16.47 | furrywolf | kooldeb: correct. but most of the attacks on wireless encryption are flaws in the algorithm, that allow the key to be computed, essentially. |
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| 19:16.57 | ozwald | hey, Im trying to use apt-get |
| 19:17.00 | kooldeb | furrywolf: you mean the IVs ? |
| 19:17.03 | ozwald | where are the directories? |
| 19:17.14 | greycat | ozwald: in the file systems |
| 19:17.23 | furrywolf | I don't know anything about wireless encryption, so I'm not going to pretend I do. :) |
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| 19:17.36 | ozwald | ? |
| 19:17.38 | kooldeb | furrywolf: can I private msg you for a sec ? |
| 19:17.42 | valdyn | Minase^: which one exactly, no debian kernel-image is just its version number |
| 19:17.43 | ozwald | in the file systems? |
| 19:17.48 | ozwald | isnt that my whole / |
| 19:17.51 | greycat | !stupid answer |
| 19:17.53 | furrywolf | kooldeb: sure... but I don't know anything about wireless. :P |
| 19:17.58 | Minase^ | valdyn: uname -r gives 2.4.29 |
| 19:17.59 | kooldeb | np :) |
| 19:18.01 | abrotman | kooldeb: ask #wireless |
| 19:18.03 | greycat | hey, where's my factoid? |
| 19:18.03 | jcuk | lol i was sitting tryna get xmms etc to play .pls files when i notice totem plays em :P |
| 19:18.16 | greycat | !stupid answers |
| 19:18.17 | dpkg | Giving someone the literal answer to their stupid question, when you KNOW it will cause them to damage their system, qualifies as a stupid answer. Also, spoon-feeding someone the answer to their FAQ instead of making them read the FAQ just leads them to ask *more* stupid questions; so that's a stupid answer too. |
| 19:18.30 | valdyn | Minase^: no 2.4.29 kernel-image is in sarge or sid |
| 19:18.57 | ozwald | =P |
| 19:18.57 | greycat | Minase^: someone built a custom kernel image. |
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| 19:19.01 | ozwald | right right. |
| 19:19.03 | Minase^ | valdyn: okay. so it must be a local thing. so how do i install a kernel with reiserfs support or modules with such? apt-cache search only seems to have /reeealy/ old kernels. |
| 19:19.07 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 19:19.08 | nathan_ | how would a G3 500 running linux compare to a P3 866 (both with 512mb of ram and comparabile video cards) performance wise? anyone know? |
| 19:19.14 | ozwald | Im used to freebsd.. |
| 19:19.17 | Minase^ | i tried booting one (2.2.20), but it doesn't support reiser 3.6 |
| 19:19.21 | ozwald | I thought this apt-get stuff was magic =P |
| 19:19.24 | abrotman | Minase^: duh |
| 19:19.24 | greycat | ozwald: so you read "man apt-get"? |
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| 19:19.35 | nathan_ | or know where i can look for information? ive been looking on google and not finding anything |
| 19:19.38 | greycat | ozwald: and what was your question after having read that? |
| 19:19.40 | ribnitz | Whats a good tool to refactor a website (and bring it up to current coding standards)? |
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| 19:19.48 | valdyn | Minase^: apt-cache search kernel-image, just pick one |
| 19:19.49 | abrotman | ribnitz: vi! |
| 19:19.51 | greycat | ribnitz: vi |
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| 19:19.57 | Delph | tidy, and vi. |
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| 19:20.18 | Ikarus | ribnitz: vim |
| 19:20.20 | Lorvija | Hiya, is there such program that when I connect with browser to specified port it asks for username and password and then allows that IP to access that port for xx mins? And if there would be any other connections to this port the program would drop those packets? |
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| 19:20.25 | ribnitz | abrotman, greycat: I meant it on a higher level. "...for dummies" |
| 19:20.27 | valdyn | Minase^: or apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.27 |
| 19:20.36 | abrotman | ribnitz: emacs ? |
| 19:20.45 | charrua | Hi all, my Opera Browser traslate a keysyms "dead_acute" as not dead key. Buy my window manager did it well. Other browsers like Firefowx did it well too. I appreciate any help.tks. |
| 19:20.58 | Minase^ | valdyn: ah, since i did apt-get update some more are in there. kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 seems the most recent. will that have reiser+serial support? |
| 19:21.06 | abrotman | charrua: bugs.opera.com |
| 19:21.10 | ribnitz | abrotman: I use vim on a daily basis. I just want some dumb gui-thing.. |
| 19:21.17 | dan2 | ribnitz: nano for people who can't edit for shit |
| 19:21.22 | abrotman | ribnitz: bluefish? |
| 19:21.25 | greycat | ribnitz: dumb gui-things to not bring you *closer* to standards. |
| 19:21.29 | greycat | s/to/do/ |
| 19:21.29 | Ikarus | ribnitz: nedit ? |
| 19:21.32 | charrua | abrotman: tks |
| 19:21.36 | abrotman | ribnitz: validator.w3.org ? |
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| 19:21.51 | abrotman | oh .. i know .. #web? :)_ |
| 19:21.53 | smacnay | can anyone recommend a good small editor that can be called from mutt and slrn - for composing mail and news messages? nano? |
| 19:21.57 | valdyn | Minase^: oh you're on woody, i dont know if it has reiserfs, sure it has serial port support |
| 19:22.03 | ribnitz | greycat: they validate, and they point out that *that* thing is bad. |
| 19:22.04 | greycat | smacnay: nano certainly qualifies |
| 19:22.33 | valdyn | !find reiserfs.o woody |
| 19:22.35 | greycat | ribnitz: must be a different batch of dumb gui-things from the ones I've seen. |
| 19:22.42 | ribnitz | wasnt there something new, they compared to those macromedias? |
| 19:22.50 | greycat | ribnitz: the ones I've seen generate IIS-only crap that's not even close to being good HTML |
| 19:23.16 | smacnay | greycat: I need something that can read files (insert them), which nano does. I will use it for a while and try it out. |
| 19:23.16 | Minase^ | valdyn: umm, it's asking me about initrd. i don't think i'm using that... |
| 19:23.16 | zaphod | i get the following error while using apt-get |
| 19:23.18 | zaphod | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian/pool/main/p/python2.3/python2.3-tk_2.3.5-1_i386.deb 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] |
| 19:23.27 | k3k0 | how i can check whitch kernel i have installed damn i forgot |
| 19:23.36 | greycat | zaphod: the joy of round robins. |
| 19:23.39 | ribnitz | greycat: What I basicallly want is convert a partial-html-401 conformance to a xhtml1-strict. |
| 19:23.39 | greycat | k3k0: uname -a |
| 19:23.45 | valdyn | Minase^: debian kernels do use an initrd though |
| 19:23.47 | zaphod | k3k0: uname -r |
| 19:24.06 | simonrvn | ribnitz: tidy |
| 19:24.13 | abrotman | ribnitz: bluefish |
| 19:24.16 | zaphod | greycat, i dont understand |
| 19:24.19 | Minase^ | valdyn: it didn't ask me about it when i installed 2.2.20. and i can't see anything about initrd in grub config (though i'm new to grub today too) |
| 19:24.29 | dorkbutt | Minase^ You only need initrd if you have to load modules in order to boot |
| 19:24.33 | abrotman | ribnitz: nvu might be up to par by now |
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| 19:24.38 | simonrvn | tidy -x file.html > file.xhtml |
| 19:24.43 | simonrvn | e.g. |
| 19:24.51 | ribnitz | abrotman: so nvu or bluefish better? |
| 19:25.04 | abrotman | ribnitz: http://www.nvu.com/features.html |
| 19:25.14 | abrotman | ribnitz: dunno . only briefly messed with bluefish .. never used nvu |
| 19:25.26 | zaphod | what is 301 Moved Permanently? |
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| 19:25.58 | ribnitz | zaphod: a response code? |
| 19:26.01 | greg_work | is there a way to list all the symlinks to a given file? |
| 19:26.01 | Delph | it's a HTTP error code |
| 19:26.04 | abrotman | HTTP code |
| 19:26.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'reiserfs.o' (4 of 13): (/lib/modules/2.4.18-k6/kernel/fs/reiserfs/reiserfs.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.18-k6 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.18-k7/kernel/fs/reiserfs/reiserfs.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.16-k7/kernel/fs/reiserfs/reiserfs.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.16-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.16-k6/kernel/fs/reiserfs/reiserfs.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.16-k6. |
| 19:26.46 | k3k0 | whitch kernel 2-6 u prefear for server |
| 19:26.47 | chealer | dpkg: good job! |
| 19:26.47 | dpkg | Thank you, chealer. |
| 19:26.48 | valdyn | Minase^: installing a kernel-image will set this up for you by default, unless someone fucked with config files |
| 19:26.53 | ribnitz | oh, that FS war again, nifty. |
| 19:27.03 | Minase^ | valdyn: 'someone' probably did. |
| 19:27.33 | valdyn | Minase^: a grub line for an initrd looks like this: initrd /initrd.img-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 19:27.38 | ribnitz | is kernel 2.6.11 packaged yet (available as kernel-image?) |
| 19:27.44 | chealer | ribnitz: in sid |
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| 19:27.56 | ribnitz | chealer: I have sid. |
| 19:27.57 | SpinX | hi guys. |
| 19:27.59 | Lorvija | Hiya, is there such program that when I connect with browser to specified port it asks for username and password and then allows that IP to access prespecified port(s) for xx minutes? |
| 19:28.03 | SpinX | where can i get the bootable net install CD that I need |
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| 19:28.14 | SpinX | http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/woody-alpha-1.iso < I have. but it deosn't boot.. |
| 19:28.27 | ribnitz | SpinX: ask dpkg about d-i |
| 19:28.34 | simonrvn | @301 |
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| 19:28.56 | abrotman | SpinX: do you have an alpha? |
| 19:29.00 | chealer | ribnitz: and you couldn't check by yourself? |
| 19:29.03 | SpinX | no |
| 19:29.07 | zaphod | why can't i use apt-get? i repeat the error which i am getting : Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian/pool/main/p/python2.3/python2.3-tk_2.3.5-1_i386.deb 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] |
| 19:29.10 | ribnitz | chealer: I am lazy. |
| 19:29.25 | dorkbutt | zaphod: the file was moved... |
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| 19:29.44 | valdyn | dorkbutt: more like the server was moved |
| 19:29.48 | chealer | ribnitz: meet dpkg...he's there for lazy people |
| 19:29.53 | simonrvn | it got permanently moved somewhere else.... |
| 19:30.00 | abrotman | chealer: ribnitz knows about dpkg |
| 19:30.03 | SpinX | [debian] 3.0 alpha, is cd name.. wrong one? |
| 19:30.15 | abrotman | SpinX: do you have an Alpha CPU? |
| 19:30.19 | ribnitz | chealer: As i said, I am lazy. I know about how to ask dpkg. |
| 19:30.23 | SpinX | i have an AMD cpu |
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| 19:30.32 | abrotman | SpinX: do you know what an Alpha CPU is ? |
| 19:30.34 | ribnitz | SpinX: grats. |
| 19:30.39 | foobared | SpinX: isn't some Mylex thing? |
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| 19:30.42 | PintchX | Hi |
| 19:30.48 | SpinX | AMD Sempron(tm) 3000+ 2.0GHz |
| 19:30.54 | ribnitz | abrotman: Alpha 21164? |
| 19:31.00 | abrotman | SpinX: desktop or server? |
| 19:31.04 | SpinX | desktop |
| 19:31.09 | foobared | SpinX: AMD? dont use cd for alpha then |
| 19:31.10 | abrotman | !d-i SpinX |
| 19:31.11 | dpkg | SpinX, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:31.20 | abrotman | SpinX: and get the i386 105MB Netinst |
| 19:31.26 | SpinX | kk, thanks abauer. |
| 19:31.30 | SpinX | er abrotman. |
| 19:31.34 | k3k0 | is this correct way to upgrade kernel: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ?? and then reboot computer ? |
| 19:31.36 | ribnitz | abrotman: came in nifty dec boxes with 10kg storage attached (3x5GB). |
| 19:31.39 | abrotman | SpinX: Alpha is an older DEC architecture .. giong the way of the Dodo sadly |
| 19:31.41 | k3k0 | after intallation |
| 19:31.41 | carnage | flpd;; gk; 64ngk |
| 19:31.47 | abrotman | ribnitz: i have a few here |
| 19:31.48 | ribnitz | abrotman: otherwise pizzabox. |
| 19:31.55 | SpinX | oh ok |
| 19:32.08 | SpinX | get sarge? |
| 19:32.08 | abrotman | !alpha |
| 19:32.09 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha |
| 19:32.12 | valdyn | zaphod: you can put a line with the correct ip into /etc/hosts temporarily |
| 19:32.13 | chealer | k3k0: looks good for a 686 2.6 kernel |
| 19:32.13 | abrotman | SpinX: yep |
| 19:32.16 | SpinX | ok |
| 19:32.20 | ribnitz | abrotman: a bit larger in size than sparcstation 5s. |
| 19:32.32 | SpinX | on windows.. i have 786mb of ram, hogs it all up.. i hate it. :-\ |
| 19:32.43 | PintchX | how can i install grub or other boot loader(that supports win) ? i have lilo installed |
| 19:32.44 | ribnitz | abrotman: the only one I have doesnt run on linux. |
| 19:32.47 | Anthro | I thought that my circa 1997 OldWorld Mac, which has been taking care of RAID, file serving, (minimal) web serving, IMAP, outgoing mail service, fetchmail, and a few other things, had finally bitten the big one. It was spontaneously rebooting. I messed around with it a big, and finally turned it off in disgust. A bit later, I banged it with my knee accidentally and it booted. The power cord was loose. I fixed that little issue and everythin |
| 19:32.47 | Anthro | g has been fine since. I thought I had been r00ted. I feel dumb. |
| 19:33.07 | zaphod | valdyn, how do I get the correct IP? |
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| 19:33.23 | valdyn | zaphod: its written in the error message |
| 19:33.35 | abrotman | ribnitz: that stinks |
| 19:33.40 | ribnitz | Anthro: We all have such experiences. Replaced a network card because of loose cable. |
| 19:33.49 | dorkbutt | zaphod: it says the ip right there.. |
| 19:33.58 | ribnitz | abrotman: Decstation 3000, with turbochannel. |
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| 19:34.09 | Anthro | furrywolf: Pardon? |
| 19:34.27 | tactless | Will module-assistant work if I've compiled a custom kernel without make-kpkg? |
| 19:34.42 | furrywolf | anthro is a prefix typically... anthropologist, anthropomorphic, etc. |
| 19:35.13 | dorkbutt | wtf is anthropomorphic |
| 19:35.21 | Anthro | furrywolf: anthropohedron |
| 19:35.23 | simonrvn | look it up... |
| 19:35.30 | valdyn | tactless: try |
| 19:35.36 | valdyn | tactless: i think it will work |
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| 19:36.13 | ribnitz | tactless: probably. |
| 19:36.28 | k3k0 | i made that kernel update but fuq if i made it wrong my friend will be little angry :P |
| 19:36.29 | ribnitz | dorkbutt: "looking like human" |
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| 19:36.31 | k3k0 | :D |
| 19:36.32 | Anthro | furrywolf: It's a bad pun, and I won't explain it. If you feel the urge, some googling and some thinking will probably clear it up. |
| 19:36.40 | k3k0 | "little" |
| 19:36.40 | tarzeau | moo |
| 19:36.50 | furrywolf | heh. it's some really annoying shape iirc. :) |
| 19:36.59 | Delph | ribnitz: having the shape/characteristics of, but yeah. |
| 19:37.06 | Delph | not just the appearance. |
| 19:37.15 | dorkbutt | so like, a monkey |
| 19:37.43 | ribnitz | Delph: I would have taken greek, had it not been in the same spot as the english language course. took latin though. |
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| 19:37.55 | chimaera | i have problems some buttons and the scrollwheel of my logitech bluetooth MX 900 working, they don't even create events (xev). any ideas? |
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| 19:38.44 | Anthro | chimaera: how is X using the mouse? What driver are you using? Is gpm involved? |
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| 19:38.47 | k3k0 | what happend if kernel update go wrong :P |
| 19:39.02 | Delph | k3k0: you know that rescue cd/floppy you have? |
| 19:39.05 | Delph | k3k0: you use that =:) |
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| 19:39.17 | tarzeau | k3k0: which kernel? |
| 19:39.20 | k3k0 | Delph: yeah |
| 19:39.21 | Anthro | k3k0: Ideally, you have some other working kernel that you can boot into and fix things. At worst, you can do it with a rescue floppy or Knoppix. |
| 19:39.27 | tarzeau | Delph: not so with grub |
| 19:39.46 | Delph | tarzeau: depends if you still have a kernel that you can access using grub. |
| 19:39.55 | k3k0 | yeah i have to rescue it damn my friend will be angrrii |
| 19:39.55 | k3k0 | :P |
| 19:39.55 | chimaera | Anthro: protocol used is explorerps/2, no gpm. |
| 19:39.56 | k3k0 | haha |
| 19:40.16 | ribnitz | ok. brb. need a new kernel. |
| 19:40.22 | Delph | eg, /boot is like 10Mb and you have one kernel on there at a time (granted, very very silly, but possible) |
| 19:40.40 | simonrvn | 50 MB minimum... =) |
| 19:40.51 | Anthro | chimaera: Do you have a ZAxisMapping option set for it? |
| 19:40.52 | patrickfwork | can someone help please? |
| 19:40.59 | patrickfwork | I tried to start it with the command "exec startx", but I always get an error |
| 19:41.09 | greycat | !noscreensfound |
| 19:41.09 | dpkg | [noscreensfound] probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 19:41.12 | simonrvn | start what? |
| 19:41.16 | k3k0 | he will say fix muh fucking kernel!! then i say okey okey we must use youre rescue disk/kerrnel |
| 19:41.30 | k3k0 | =) |
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| 19:41.37 | valdyn | patrickfwork: you typed "exec startx" in a terminal? |
| 19:41.40 | chimaera | Anthro: sure. but that can't be the prob, imho, for the non-working don't trigger events in xev in the 1st place. |
| 19:41.45 | patrickfwork | I want to start the x-window-system in debian |
| 19:41.53 | Lorvija | Hiya, is there such program that when I connect with browser to specified port it asks for username and password and then allows that IP to access prespecified port(s) for xx minutes? |
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| 19:42.03 | patrickfwork | yes |
| 19:42.04 | k3k0 | patrickfwork: startx |
| 19:42.06 | k3k0 | :) |
| 19:42.07 | Lucel | anyone know if there are deb packages available for j2sdk? |
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| 19:42.25 | chealer | patrickfwork: x-window-system is just a metapackage name. you want to start X, or a X server |
| 19:42.44 | Anthro | chimaera: Well, if you don't have the ZAxisMapping then the driver generally disregards the events entirely, so no X event would be generated. |
| 19:42.47 | onre | Lorvija, what you need is something like a CGI script which changes firewall rules. write one. there surely isn't one readily made. |
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| 19:42.57 | patrickfwork | yes, for working on desktop |
| 19:42.59 | Anthro | Lucel: Look into make-jpkg |
| 19:43.10 | greycat | Lucel: /msg dpkg java |
| 19:43.16 | patrickfwork | but I have an ATI 128 Graphic Card |
| 19:43.16 | k3k0 | patrickfwork: if not have installed use apt-get install x-window-system xfce/gnome/gnome-core xdm |
| 19:43.19 | greycat | !faqsmite Lucel |
| 19:43.19 | dpkg | Lucel: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:43.20 | Lorvija | onre there is, ready program.. just cant remember the name of the program.. tried googling but cant come up with anything.. |
| 19:43.24 | SyphonAI | is there a command to tell you what X server you are running, Xorg or Xfree ? |
| 19:43.32 | greycat | SyphonAI: xdpyinfo |
| 19:43.45 | k3k0 | patrickfwork: btw!!! how do you have work!!! u re amateur !!! |
| 19:43.46 | Anthro | SyphonAI: If you haven't made a special effort to get Xorg, you have XFree. |
| 19:43.50 | chimaera | Anthro: i see, but anyhow, zaxismapping is set |
| 19:43.56 | s-ndh-c_ | how can i view the a list of availible apckages, or better search for packages? |
| 19:43.58 | ozwald | Im installing the madwifi driver... its asking me for a kernelpath what does that mean? |
| 19:44.02 | Lorvija | onre besides i'm not talking about cgi script.. as well it could be normal telnet session or something.. |
| 19:44.12 | k3k0 | patrickfwork: WHY I DONT HAVE A FUCKNG WORK!!! i even fuck with kerrrnel |
| 19:44.19 | carnage | does the default apache2 package have mod_so compiled into it? |
| 19:44.20 | SyphonAI | Anthro, but i did make the effort, and it switched to Xorg very nicely |
| 19:44.22 | Anthro | chimaera: Hrm. Do you have X up now? If so, can you close it? |
| 19:44.29 | onre | Lorvija, but "connect with browser"? doesn't sound like telnet. |
| 19:44.38 | Lorvija | onre well was just an exmaple (: |
| 19:44.41 | Anthro | SyphonAI: Ah. In that case you should know that you are using Xorg. |
| 19:44.54 | SyphonAI | well now that i ran that command i know, hehe |
| 19:44.55 | chimaera | Anthro: well, i guess I'll loose the conetion then, but, no prob. what should i try? |
| 19:44.59 | patrickfwork | k3k0, I dont know what you mean exactly, sorry I'm a linux beginner |
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| 19:45.08 | SyphonAI | was an easier switch than i thought it was goign to be |
| 19:45.20 | k3k0 | patrickfwork: jag need work!! i code C for food!! |
| 19:45.39 | k3k0 | patrickfwork: tell youre boss |
| 19:46.02 | ozwald | is that another stupid question? |
| 19:46.17 | Lorvija | onre ahh now i found it: http://www.wildspark.com/asher/ipshutter/ |
| 19:46.22 | Anthro | chimaera: cat /dev/psaux (I assume that's the mouse device you are using) and move the scrollwheel. If you get output from cat, at least you'll know that it's working that far. You may need to reset your terminal afterward, by the way, so use tput reset. |
| 19:46.26 | greycat | !ipw2100 |
| 19:46.26 | dpkg | i heard ipw2100 is ipw2100.sourceforge.com, find your intel wireless pro driver there. This driver doesn't work with merely the kernel-headers-* package; it wants the Makefile from the full source tree. Have fun building a custom kernel. ipw2100-source package in sarge/sid, or #ipw2100 |
| 19:46.34 | greycat | !ipw2200 |
| 19:46.34 | dpkg | hmm... ipw2200 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards. An experimental debian package is available at http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/ipw/ using the ipw2200 source and some rules from the existing ipw2100-source package. |
| 19:47.03 | greycat | !stupid ass vendors who release hardware with NO documentation so that no free drivers can be built |
| 19:47.03 | s-ndh-c_ | how do i search through the package repository? |
| 19:47.03 | patrickfwork | k3k0, my system writes: Sorry, x-window-system is alredy the newest version |
| 19:47.14 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: apt-cache search |
| 19:47.23 | s-ndh-c_ | greycat: thx |
| 19:47.31 | k3k0 | patrickfwork: okey re u working now |
| 19:47.47 | k3k0 | patrickfwork: do you want me to do youre fucking work for freee !!!!!!! |
| 19:47.50 | chimaera | Anthro: yctualy i'm using /dev/input/mice (bluetooth) |
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| 19:48.04 | k3k0 | it cost @£$. |
| 19:48.06 | patrickfwork | hehe, I hope you can help me yes |
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| 19:48.18 | k3k0 | patrickfwork: pls pay me little i go pizzaa:P |
| 19:48.21 | k3k0 | hahaha |
| 19:48.22 | Anthro | chimaera: Ah. Okay. So cat that instead. |
| 19:48.23 | abrotman | k3k0: didn't we help you for free? |
| 19:48.34 | k3k0 | abrotman: im joking man ;) |
| 19:48.44 | k3k0 | :D |
| 19:49.04 | patrickfwork | Come to Austria, I pay you a beer hehe |
| 19:49.15 | k3k0 | i go now take cear all =) |
| 19:49.21 | ozwald | madwifi is asking for a kernelpath veriable, I looked on google, and under /usr/src but found nothing.. any help? |
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| 19:49.42 | chimaera | Anthro: will check |
| 19:50.03 | patrickfwork | ok, how should I start x-window-system? |
| 19:50.15 | chealer | patrickfwork: startx |
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| 19:50.40 | valdyn | greycat: that ipw2100 factoid is for woody? |
| 19:50.50 | patrickfwork | but after startx the system writes: no screens found |
| 19:51.01 | chealer | !tell patrickfwork about noscreensfound |
| 19:51.01 | patrickfwork | why? |
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| 19:51.31 | s-ndh-c_ | make menuconfig fails |
| 19:51.42 | ribnitz | kinda like works. the new kernel. |
| 19:51.45 | greycat | valdyn: god only knows. |
| 19:51.49 | Lucel | ok so this j2 thing is really complicated... seems all the debs are obsolete/unstable.... and the sarge options seem to involve a reinstall???? |
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| 19:51.55 | greycat | valdyn: if you have specific instructions (better yet, *tested* ones), change it. |
| 19:52.02 | Lucel | that's the help I got from the faq :/ |
| 19:52.12 | greycat | Lucel: you're on drugs. |
| 19:52.18 | Lucel | actually not |
| 19:52.39 | Lucel | just this thing aint so user friendly as maybe u'd like |
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| 19:53.03 | greycat | Woody users, grab the java-package package from http://packages.debian.org/java-package before proceeding. The maintainer has taken special precautions to ensure that it will work properly on woody as well as sarge. Install it with dpkg -i after you've downloaded the .deb file. |
| 19:53.08 | greycat | Sarge users, simply apt-get install java-package. (It's in the contrib section, so make sure you have contrib listed in your sources.list.) |
| 19:53.09 | patrickfwork | Can you help me now with starting x-window? |
| 19:53.18 | greycat | HOW is that not helpful? WHAT the HELL are you reading that talks about a reinstall? |
| 19:53.19 | furrywolf | and don't forget about session replay. since pop3 isn't challenge-response, they could just replay your login and log in as you, without even trying to unhash it. |
| 19:53.20 | Lucel | thanks greycat |
| 19:53.25 | furrywolf | grr, wrong window |
| 19:53.34 | greycat | Lucel: what the FUCK were you reading, if not that? |
| 19:53.34 | Lucel | u try talking to dpkg then :/ |
| 19:53.39 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 19:53.39 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:53.56 | ribnitz | greycat: thats not the sun jdk is it? |
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| 19:54.04 | greycat | ribnitz: /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:54.20 | Lucel | nice greycat |
| 19:54.27 | chimaera | Anthro: no X prob, the wheel submits nothing. must be lower level. |
| 19:55.02 | Anthro | chimaera: Okay, now you know something further. Next step. Try doing the same thing, but with /dev/input/event0 |
| 19:55.38 | Lucel | greycat: http://z42.de/debian/ |
| 19:55.46 | Lucel | greycat: found after speaking with pdkg |
| 19:55.52 | ribnitz | is there an easy replacement for ftp? (as used by dumb programs)? |
| 19:55.59 | Lucel | greycat: well that's what it sent me to |
| 19:56.29 | ribnitz | I dont mean scp,.. |
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| 19:56.52 | Anthro | ribnitz: There are several replacements depending on your needs. |
| 19:57.00 | Anthro | ribnitz: What are your needs? |
| 19:57.40 | greycat | Lucel: I can't find z42 in ANY of the factoids. Where did you see it? |
| 19:57.45 | ribnitz | Anthro: well, basically, nvu wants ftp-like access, with a username/password combo. list files/download upload.. |
| 19:57.45 | greycat | 15:43 greycat> Lucel: /msg dpkg java |
| 19:57.46 | greycat | 15:43 greycat> !faqsmite Lucel |
| 19:58.03 | greycat | java -> <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> |
| 19:58.07 | Lucel | Lucel: j2se-package |
| 19:58.07 | Lucel | [14:49] dpkg: i guess j2se-package is a tool to convert Sun's java packages into Java policy compliant debian packages. The resulting packages handle setting up the java plugin for various browsers. http://z42.de/debian/ |
| 19:58.27 | Lucel | greycat: from the /msg dpkg java |
| 19:58.30 | mops_ | I have set: |
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| 19:58.34 | Lucel | greycat: option you gave me |
| 19:58.37 | mops_ | iptables -A INPUT -j LOG |
| 19:58.56 | mops_ | and syslogd logged succesfully, but when I must restart it |
| 19:59.00 | greycat | Lucel: I have NO CLUE how you got to that factoid starting from <java>. |
| 19:59.03 | Anthro | ribnitz: Can it just use a filesystem? Perhaps you want something like SMB or NFS. |
| 19:59.06 | mops_ | it stop logging packets |
| 19:59.26 | mops_ | I have stables versions of both - sysklogd and klogd |
| 19:59.29 | hackeron | what was the command to list all PIDs and what ports they listen to? |
| 19:59.30 | ribnitz | Anthro: I have samba set up. |
| 19:59.32 | greycat | dpkg, no, j2se-package is one of the old names for the package that's now called <java-package>. Ask me about <install java> or <java-package>, or see the <FAQ>. |
| 19:59.32 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:59.34 | mops_ | where can be the error please? |
| 19:59.44 | mops_ | help me if you can |
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| 20:00.41 | greycat | !+j2se-package |
| 20:00.41 | dpkg | hmm... j2se-package is one of the old names for the package that's now called <java-package>. Ask me about <install java> or <java-package>, or see the <FAQ>. |
| 20:00.52 | Anthro | ribnitz: Well, that's probably a good way of doing things. |
| 20:00.54 | nix000 | where do you guys get your backports from ? |
| 20:01.00 | greycat | nix000: we don't. |
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| 20:01.23 | Anthro | ribnitz: I'm sort of surprised that nvu doesn't support sftp. |
| 20:02.03 | chimaera | Anthro: i checked all devices in /dev/input, event5 appears to be the mouse but no output is created for the appropriate buttons.. |
| 20:02.10 | greycat | My god.... even the web site that he has a problem with (http://z42.de/debian/) says "I'm sorry, but the Java related Debian packages are no longer supported. The j2se-package has been moved to Debian/unstable and is no called java-package." (Typo, s/no/now/) |
| 20:02.13 | kooldeb | does any one knows yahoo webmail, do they use POP3, IMAP, or something else? |
| 20:02.24 | ribnitz | Anthro: should it? |
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| 20:02.39 | greycat | I don't see anything on there about doing a reinstlal. |
| 20:02.45 | ledet | kooldeb: i think the keyword is "webmail" |
| 20:02.51 | Anthro | chimaera: Well, it sounds like you need some different kernel module. Did you get any output from any of the devices when you just moved the mouse around? Did the mouse pointer move in X? |
| 20:03.05 | valdyn | dpkg, ipw2200 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2200-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. |
| 20:03.05 | dpkg | ...but ipw2200 is already something else... |
| 20:03.08 | kooldeb | ledet: but which protocol is that associated with ? |
| 20:03.17 | valdyn | dpkg, forget ipw2200 |
| 20:03.17 | Anthro | ribnitz: It would be nice if it did, but I have no idea if it does. |
| 20:03.17 | dpkg | i forgot ipw2200, valdyn |
| 20:03.18 | ribnitz | Anthro: what would be the shorthand for the scp (etc) backend? |
| 20:03.23 | ledet | kooldeb: http |
| 20:03.26 | valdyn | dpkg, ipw2200 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2200-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. |
| 20:03.26 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
| 20:03.29 | abrotman | valdyn: don't forget to inlcude the irc channel |
| 20:03.30 | abrotman | bah |
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| 20:03.36 | Anthro | ribnitz: shorthand? I'm not sure what you are asking. |
| 20:03.41 | valdyn | abrotman: ok |
| 20:03.53 | kooldeb | ledet: hmm is that so also at the server level ? |
| 20:03.54 | ledet | kooldeb: meaning that you need a browser in order til read your email |
| 20:03.54 | nix000 | greycat, is there even a popular backports site ? |
| 20:03.54 | chimaera | Anthro: the basic mouse functions work within X, that is, five buttons. the output of the device covers that. |
| 20:04.07 | dan2 | abrotman: hey |
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| 20:04.11 | greycat | nix000: sure. |
| 20:04.11 | kooldeb | ledet: like emails they must use some protocol in the server |
| 20:04.19 | greycat | nix000: but nobody in their right mind would use it. just run sarge. |
| 20:04.31 | ledet | kooldeb: they probably do - but users dont have direct access to them |
| 20:04.32 | abrotman | !ipw2200 is also #ipw2100 |
| 20:04.32 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 20:04.35 | ribnitz | Anthro: http://foo.bar.baz, ftp://..,gohher://... (ie the protocol?) |
| 20:04.36 | Anthro | chimaera: Hang on, five buttons? And you've checked with xev and all five buttons produce *different* events? |
| 20:04.38 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
| 20:04.43 | ledet | kooldeb: any kind of mail uses smtp to recieve mail |
| 20:04.51 | greycat | Anthro: what's so surprising about that? |
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| 20:05.02 | ledet | kooldeb: thats the only service other than http available to the public |
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| 20:05.09 | chimaera | Anthro: yes. but i have 7 and the wheel. |
| 20:05.13 | Anthro | ribnitz: Ah, I see. You might try either fish:// or sftp:// but I'm inclined to doubt it has it at this point. |
| 20:05.16 | chealer | heh, I didn't know christian marillat was a DD. now mplayer is packaged and he's not the submitter :) |
| 20:05.21 | ledet | kooldeb: and it cant be used for popping your mailbox |
| 20:05.29 | kooldeb | ledet: so when you check your email via yahoo, you are using HTTP and SMTP |
| 20:05.37 | ledet | kooldeb: no |
| 20:05.41 | ledet | kooldeb: just a browser |
| 20:05.42 | greycat | you're not using SMTP when you check. |
| 20:05.44 | valdyn | dpkg, forget ipw2200 |
| 20:05.45 | Anthro | chimaera: Hrm. Does clicking the wheel generate an event? |
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| 20:05.53 | Anthro | greycat: Wishful thinking, perhaps? |
| 20:05.58 | greycat | and I doubt very much you're using it when you send mail through a webmail interface |
| 20:06.04 | chimaera | Anthro: i appears that in place of the wheel, two other buttons are sending. that ist, xev show events for button 1 to 5. |
| 20:06.11 | ledet | kooldeb: smtp is for other servers wanting to send mail to yahoo users... and the yahoo servers to deliver mail to other mailservers |
| 20:06.15 | kooldeb | greycat: so what protocol handles the mails between I and the webmail server ? |
| 20:06.16 | chimaera | Anthro: yes. clicking does. |
| 20:06.18 | kooldeb | just HTTP ? |
| 20:06.21 | greycat | kooldeb: http |
| 20:06.29 | valdyn | dpkg, ipw2200 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2200-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For assistance try #ipw2100. |
| 20:06.29 | dpkg | ...but ipw2200 is already something else... |
| 20:06.30 | ledet | kooldeb: http as said 5 times now |
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| 20:06.38 | valdyn | dpkg, forget ipw2200 |
| 20:06.44 | valdyn | ffs |
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| 20:06.47 | ledet | kooldeb: NO! you dont get to check mail with pop3. NO! you dont get to check mail with imap |
| 20:06.50 | greycat | valdyn: just use "no, ..." |
| 20:06.53 | dxAs | How can i see which packgets there are installed on my system ? |
| 20:07.00 | greycat | !faq dxAs |
| 20:07.00 | dpkg | dxAs: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:07.04 | kooldeb | ledet: got it lol |
| 20:07.05 | valdyn | dpkg, no, ipw2200 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2200-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For assistance try #ipw2100. |
| 20:07.06 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 20:07.11 | abrotman | valdyn: i think it's ipw2100 :) |
| 20:07.18 | ledet | kooldeb: all you get is the ability to use your browser... |
| 20:07.23 | Anthro | chimaera: Hrm. At this point I don't know what to tell you. |
| 20:07.31 | ledet | kooldeb: if you want a _real_ email account, you have to pay up |
| 20:07.40 | abrotman | valdyn: don't forget the website! |
| 20:07.41 | valdyn | abrotman: both exist. |
| 20:08.02 | chimaera | Anthro: well, thanks anyway. guess i dig through my kernel config, maybe something comes up. |
| 20:08.17 | valdyn | abrotman: thats where people get pointed to to download firmware |
| 20:08.29 | kooldeb | ledet: hmm I have a related q, but can I private msg you ? |
| 20:08.29 | abrotman | valdyn: okeedokee |
| 20:08.37 | Anthro | chimaera: Good luck. I recommend googling for "kernel module" and your specific mouse model. |
| 20:08.46 | ledet | kooldeb: no thanks... just keep it on the channel |
| 20:08.49 | dxAs | greycat: ehm? |
| 20:09.07 | Anthro | ledet: Well, not entirely. Gmail is free, and you can use POP and SMTP. |
| 20:09.20 | chimaera | Anthro: one thing: scrolling is mapped to the two thumbs buttons.. and for googling: google shows a remarkable lack of hits using linux & mx 900 ;) |
| 20:09.20 | ribnitz | Anthro: how hard would it be to build nvu form source? |
| 20:09.38 | ledet | Anthro: by free you mean "free of charge" of course |
| 20:10.06 | kooldeb | Anthro: so gmail does use POP.... |
| 20:10.39 | Anthro | ledet: Of course. Nothing run on someone else's server is any other kind of free. |
| 20:10.46 | Anthro | kooldeb: yes |
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| 20:11.32 | Anthro | chimaera: I dunno. If you aren't even getting the events on the /dev device, you need some kind of kernel module to make it happen. |
| 20:11.39 | ozwald | how do I know what kernel I have? |
| 20:11.42 | kooldeb | ok I have a q then: say we send our pwd for some account, say gmail or yahoo, over the wire without using the secure option, the pwd is not in plaintext format, so what is it using then ? |
| 20:11.46 | Anthro | ozwald: uname -r |
| 20:12.08 | Anthro | kooldeb: Actually, it is in plaintext. |
| 20:12.19 | kooldeb | Anthro: not from what I captured |
| 20:12.22 | Anthro | kooldeb: unless you are using the SSL/TLS variant. |
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| 20:12.44 | Anthro | kooldeb: Hrm. Well, your best bet is to find and read the RFC. |
| 20:13.00 | ozwald | thanks |
| 20:13.05 | kooldeb | Anthro: I captured the packets right b4 and after sending the pwd in the browser, and I got it in some hash or encryptd format |
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| 20:14.21 | ludi | when manually installing macromedia flashplayer7, the script asks for "Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):". The default "/usr/lib/mozilla" does not work. What is the installation path for my system? I am using Debian Sarge with Gnome's Epiphany. Thanks. |
| 20:14.33 | Anthro | kooldeb: Check the RFC. It lays out the protocol. |
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| 20:14.41 | scytheman_ | should i install libmotif or lesstif2? i can't install both, so what's newer / more used? apt-cache show doesn't help me |
| 20:14.41 | valdyn | kooldeb: cram-md5 probably , or digest-md5 |
| 20:14.53 | kooldeb | whats the RFC ? |
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| 20:15.01 | pem3v78 | hi |
| 20:15.04 | Anthro | kooldeb: google for RFC POP3 |
| 20:15.15 | kooldeb | ait thanks |
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| 20:16.32 | pem3v78 | I'm looking for documents how to setup good network host (24/7/365) e.g. multiple network cards, dns, ldap etc. Any hints ? |
| 20:16.52 | valdyn | kooldeb: 2195 |
| 20:16.59 | ribnitz | pem3v78: hard 24x7? |
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| 20:17.09 | kooldeb | valdyn: whats that ? |
| 20:17.17 | valdyn | kooldeb: rfc |
| 20:17.21 | greycat | pem3v78: well, that depends on what it's supposed to *do*. |
| 20:17.44 | kooldeb | valdyn: oh ok , thanks |
| 20:17.45 | simonrvn | hooray for gzip -9 kernels |
| 20:18.09 | ribnitz | pem3v78: mail or web are usually easy to maintain. |
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| 20:18.46 | valdyn | ludi: why not use the existing flash debian package? |
| 20:18.56 | pem3v78 | I would like to have a network of three hosts with mirrored services like web, email server. If one host goes down, either of other two take his job. |
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| 20:19.23 | pem3v78 | I'm looking for general guidelines how to setup such environment |
| 20:19.31 | GrayThunder | i have 3 computers side by side, Debian, OS X, XP, all plugged into the same switch. I can't ping/telnet from debian to the main switchm but from OS x and XP I can. any suggestions? |
| 20:19.35 | scytheman_ | mh, libmotif is non-free, so i am gonna install lesstif2 |
| 20:19.37 | valdyn | ludi: /msg dpkg marillat - its there |
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| 20:19.52 | Quag7 | pem3v78, Well there's always WIndows Datacenter edition ;D |
| 20:19.53 | greycat | failover mail server with user mailboxes on it is *hard*. you'd either have to have the physical mailboxes on a shared NFS-mounted directory (which takes you back to a single point of failure), or you'd have to replicate the mail storage in near-real-time somehow. |
| 20:19.55 | Quag7 | Just kidding. |
| 20:19.56 | simonrvn | and you come here instead of looking this stuff up on say, google? |
| 20:19.56 | ludi | I don't want to use the debian package |
| 20:20.02 | ribnitz | pem3v78: you sure that you need such qos? |
| 20:20.03 | ozwald | how do I list available kernel sources? |
| 20:20.10 | valdyn | ludi: whats wrong with it? |
| 20:20.16 | simonrvn | cyrus-murder ;) |
| 20:20.25 | pem3v78 | windows is NOT an option for me :) |
| 20:20.30 | ludi | valdyn: do you know what the "installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera browser" is? In my case, it would be Epiphany browser on Debian Sarge. |
| 20:20.35 | tarzeau | ozwald: apt-cache search kernel source ? |
| 20:20.36 | simonrvn | cyrus is NOT windoze |
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| 20:20.52 | rikva | When i want to dist-upgrade, it wants to delete whole kde. It has something to do with vim and kdevim, if I want to delete those it automatically wants to delete KDE! I use Sarge... what could be the problem? |
| 20:21.13 | tarzeau | rikva: dependencies can be fun |
| 20:21.22 | rikva | tarzeau: or not :( |
| 20:21.24 | valdyn | ludi: i think epiphany uses mozillas plugins |
| 20:21.30 | ribnitz | pem3v78: I have a bunch of servers running in the company, they pretty nmuch do 24x7, but they are not cascaded failover or anything. |
| 20:21.32 | tarzeau | rikva: i think vim is the problem! what happens if you install emacs? |
| 20:21.43 | ludi | valdyn: so what is the installation path? |
| 20:21.44 | oZt | anyone here using xfce4? And if so, do you know hwo to change the kblayout? |
| 20:21.51 | rikva | tarzeau: youre not serieus right? |
| 20:22.03 | tarzeau | oZt: setxkbmap |
| 20:22.07 | tarzeau | rikva: yes i am |
| 20:22.09 | valdyn | ludi: /usr/lib/mozilla |
| 20:22.15 | FieldySnuts | @lart rikva |
| 20:22.22 | rikva | tarzeau: ok, i'll try |
| 20:22.27 | rikva | wtf |
| 20:22.50 | tarzeau | rikva: once you have emacs, you can safely remove vim and kde ;) |
| 20:22.52 | furrywolf | sigh. doesn't look like I get food today. |
| 20:23.00 | rikva | sigh |
| 20:23.08 | Sweetshark | Hi guys! Im not a debianuser, but please help me checking if a bug is valid. I need someone to check if http://mulholland-drive.net segfaults firefox if flashblock is active. Thx in advance. |
| 20:23.10 | rikva | that joke has a beard |
| 20:23.35 | furrywolf | no food + no money = no eating. :( |
| 20:23.59 | tarzeau | furrywolf: do you have a garden? |
| 20:24.04 | furrywolf | nope |
| 20:24.08 | tarzeau | furrywolf: a forest? |
| 20:24.14 | furrywolf | nope |
| 20:24.19 | tarzeau | furrywolf: a river? |
| 20:24.25 | furrywolf | nope. :P |
| 20:24.30 | valdyn | Sweetshark: "flashblock" ? |
| 20:24.39 | tarzeau | furrywolf: neighborhoodgirl? |
| 20:24.44 | furrywolf | ? |
| 20:24.59 | rikva | ok, but this is really a problem. I don't use vi(m) and I don't _want_ to use it. I want to upgrade my debian and keep KDE. |
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| 20:25.19 | Sweetshark | valdyn: http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ |
| 20:25.22 | Goshawk | where can i find help for debian alioth system? |
| 20:25.43 | tarzeau | rikva: you're on sid? |
| 20:25.44 | rikva | tarzeau: testing |
| 20:25.44 | furrywolf | I guess I ought to see when the homeless shelter is open... I've heard the food actually isn't half bad there. |
| 20:25.44 | tarzeau | rikva: try again in 10 days |
| 20:25.54 | rikva | tarzeau: done that, i;m having this problem for like a month |
| 20:25.56 | tarzeau | Goshawk: like what? |
| 20:26.03 | tarzeau | rikva: well wait another 10 days |
| 20:26.10 | Goshawk | tarzeau, my account is not created |
| 20:26.12 | ribnitz | that url works fine here. |
| 20:26.12 | tarzeau | rikva: or switch to sid and /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:26.14 | rikva | tarzeau: dude, you sound like windows "try again" |
| 20:26.22 | Goshawk | tarzeau, when i try to acces with ssh it fails |
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| 20:26.29 | tarzeau | rikva: i never have these problems of you |
| 20:26.37 | tarzeau | rikva: (but then i don't have vi(m) or kde either ;) |
| 20:26.37 | Goshawk | it does not find the directory |
| 20:26.45 | rikva | tarzeau: thats because i am the one with all the problems |
| 20:26.56 | Goshawk | tarzeau, Could not chdir to home directory /var/lib/gforge/chroot/home/users/goshawk-guest: No such file or directory |
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| 20:27.12 | tarzeau | rikva: nah i'm sure there's also other kde/debian users that have the same problems like you |
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| 20:29.09 | Sweetshark | valdyn: Hmm, I updated to the newest version and it firefox doesnt segfault anymore .... |
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| 20:32.40 | Souza10 | Does anybody knows a channel about c++ for Linux? I have some questions about pcap. |
| 20:33.13 | greycat | #c++ |
| 20:34.05 | GrayThunder | i have 4 computers side by side, Debian, OS X, 2 XP, all plugged into the same switch. I can't ping/telnet from debian to the main switch, but from OS x and XP I can. any suggestions? |
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| 20:34.29 | tarzeau | !tell GrayThunder about repeat |
| 20:34.44 | Novaes | Who can I change wine's date format ? |
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| 20:35.03 | Novaes | anybody knows? |
| 20:35.08 | GrayThunder | I DID NOT REPEAT. please read both posts |
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| 20:35.44 | furrywolf | gray: looks like a repeat to me. |
| 20:35.58 | tarzeau | i can't ping a switch either |
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| 20:36.11 | GrayThunder | then neither of you can resd |
| 20:36.15 | GrayThunder | read |
| 20:36.22 | s-ndh-c_ | x fails with error message /dev/agpgart no such file or directory |
| 20:36.23 | furrywolf | oh, did you now say you have 2xp instead of just 1 xp? |
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| 20:36.34 | s-ndh-c_ | i have loaded module agpgart |
| 20:36.39 | s-ndh-c_ | what could be wrong? |
| 20:36.40 | kingsley | Is there a mixer that allows one to adjust the volume of individual frequency ranges of CDs being played? |
| 20:37.11 | GrayThunder | i added another machine, yes |
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| 20:37.29 | furrywolf | gray: so you changed 2 characters, and think it's not a repeat? |
| 20:37.30 | GrayThunder | tarzeau: the switch has an IP address |
| 20:37.43 | ribnitz | if I get unrepresentalbe changes to source, whats the most likely cause? |
| 20:37.44 | tarzeau | GrayThunder: switches usually don't have that |
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| 20:38.06 | tarzeau | ribnitz: binaries |
| 20:38.08 | GrayThunder | tarzeau: managed switches do |
| 20:38.11 | ribnitz | (when buliding a package, that is) |
| 20:38.13 | tarzeau | ribnitz: that you forget to clean: |
| 20:38.24 | tarzeau | ribnitz: that you screwed it up! |
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| 20:38.55 | Souza10 | Could anybody help me with pcap? I can't take packets from linux, just windows plataform. I am working into a gateway. The packets can be taken, but It is unreadable |
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| 20:39.01 | tarzeau | ribnitz: which package is it? |
| 20:39.16 | ribnitz | tarzeau: nvu. trying to put together an 1.0 |
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| 20:40.39 | Esaj | how do I get firefox to play embedded quicktime movies? |
| 20:40.42 | PerfDave | kingsley: xmms has a graphic equaliser built in, that should do what you want. |
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| 20:41.08 | PerfDave | Esaj: The nicest way IMHO is to download the Greasemonkey extension and use the "unembed" script which turns them into downloadable files. |
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| 20:41.17 | Pythos | where to seek help with IPTABLES setup on a sarge box? |
| 20:41.18 | Esaj | PerfDave: ah, perfect :) |
| 20:41.20 | toubsu | why is there usually a 20-30 delay when accessing samba for the first time from a ms workstation? |
| 20:41.24 | toubsu | sec |
| 20:41.28 | tarzeau | Pythos: #mindreaders |
| 20:41.34 | Pythos | hehehe |
| 20:41.37 | GrayThunder | the point is: why doesnt Debian ping/telnet to a given address that OS X and XP can? |
| 20:41.49 | tarzeau | GrayThunder: because you did something wrong |
| 20:41.54 | GrayThunder | NOT |
| 20:42.04 | tarzeau | GrayThunder: what ip? |
| 20:42.04 | Delph | GrayThunder: tcp ping or ICMP ping? |
| 20:42.14 | GrayThunder | 10.0.0.2 |
| 20:42.15 | tarzeau | Delph: TCP PING, yuck! |
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| 20:42.19 | GrayThunder | ICMP |
| 20:42.26 | tarzeau | GrayThunder: i can ping that, works like a champ |
| 20:42.31 | mfrisch | GrayThunder is there a route |
| 20:42.39 | Delph | tarzeau: hey, it's the obvious reason why X would be able to do it and Y wouldn't, if X and Y are using different programs. =:) |
| 20:42.44 | Knorrie | Pythos: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html |
| 20:42.46 | GrayThunder | yes mfrisch |
| 20:42.51 | OmegaNine | Anyone know where I can get a .dep of j2re? I tried to use alien and...Well it didnt work. |
| 20:42.57 | greycat | !java |
| 20:42.57 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 20:43.00 | greycat | !faq OmegaNine |
| 20:43.01 | dpkg | OmegaNine: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:43.05 | Knorrie | Pythos: the text is very good, but the examples aren't |
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| 20:43.32 | s-ndh-c_ | i have loaded i810 but x shows (EE) /dev/agpgart no such file .. |
| 20:43.43 | s-ndh-c_ | what could be wrong? |
| 20:43.44 | tarzeau | greycat: it's much better here on workdays |
| 20:43.51 | GrayThunder | Delph: then what is wrong with Debian ping/telnet? |
| 20:43.56 | Knorrie | Pythos: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html the text is very good, but the examples aren't |
| 20:44.01 | tarzeau | s-ndh-c_: /dev/agpgart doesn't exist |
| 20:44.02 | Pythos | ahh, thnx |
| 20:44.06 | kingsley | PerfDave: Thanks |
| 20:44.06 | s-ndh-c_ | is there a generic driver? i just want to be able to use xfce or gnome |
| 20:44.22 | tarzeau | s-ndh-c_: you have that? crw-rw---- 1 root video 10, 175 Aug 13 2002 /dev/agpgart |
| 20:44.33 | Delph | GrayThunder: didn't say there was anything wrong with it; just saying that there is more than one way to ping a device =:) |
| 20:44.35 | greycat | tarzeau: do you actually get hits on the FAQ other than mine? |
| 20:44.38 | s-ndh-c_ | tarzeau: shouldnt it be created by loading the video module? |
| 20:44.39 | mfrisch | does 3desk work with opengl? |
| 20:44.44 | tarzeau | greycat: let me check |
| 20:44.50 | tarzeau | s-ndh-c_: i doubt |
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| 20:45.25 | Pythos | Knorrie: I was just trying to find the place to edit some config, but it seems as if the new way to do things doesn use config file of a traqditional sort |
| 20:45.40 | GaKuHl | Algum brasileiro por aqui ou apenas eu mesmo??? |
| 20:45.47 | greycat | !br |
| 20:45.47 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:45.52 | OmegaNine | greycat, I went there and it said the package cant be found in apt get |
| 20:46.09 | greycat | OmegaNine: you read the FAQ? |
| 20:46.21 | s-ndh-c_ | i have that agpgart thing, its in /dev |
| 20:46.30 | tarzeau | greycat: about 80 this month (not like slashdot) |
| 20:46.30 | Knorrie | Pythos: edit some config? like apt-get install firewall, and then edit some parameters in /etc/firewall.conf? |
| 20:46.38 | s-ndh-c_ | and is owned by root and group video |
| 20:46.39 | Pythos | ya that |
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| 20:46.43 | OmegaNine | greycat, Yeah, the section on java |
| 20:46.52 | greycat | OmegaNine: section 2. "I'm trying to... Install... _Java_" |
| 20:47.01 | greycat | OmegaNine: and you did what it told you? |
| 20:47.03 | Knorrie | Pythos: afaik debian doesn't have a standard iptables firewall |
| 20:47.13 | tarzeau | Pythos: shorewall is great! |
| 20:47.16 | Knorrie | Pythos: but you can look at shorewall |
| 20:47.27 | Knorrie | Pythos: ah :) |
| 20:47.35 | Pythos | Hmm, Im trying to get a squid proxy AND firewall on the same boxen |
| 20:47.39 | OmegaNine | greycat, I will double check my contrib is uncomented in sources.list but im pretty sure it is. |
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| 20:47.49 | ribnitz | so? |
| 20:47.50 | TotallyUber | ah, ./configure says: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check how do i fix that |
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| 20:48.14 | greycat | !b-e TotallyUber |
| 20:48.15 | dpkg | TotallyUber: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 20:48.32 | TotallyUber | k thanks! |
| 20:48.34 | Knorrie | Pythos: but still... working with iptables will bring problems as long as you don't understand what any script u use is doing actually |
| 20:48.48 | Pythos | ya |
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| 20:50.03 | s-ndh-c_ | lspci says intel 82810 CHM something, isnt i810 the right driver? |
| 20:51.20 | digibox | whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
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| 20:51.29 | chealer | !mplayer |
| 20:51.30 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, or ask me about "marillat" |
| 20:51.34 | chealer | ^^what does that mean, can dpkg-buildpackage build from a tarball :? |
| 20:51.37 | Esaj | PerfDave: out of interest, which movie player do you use in conjunction with unembed? or do you just download the files to disk? |
| 20:51.44 | greycat | chealer: yes |
| 20:51.50 | greycat | chealer: but only special tarballs. not general ones. |
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| 20:52.30 | PerfDave | Esaj: I download them, then open them in xine. |
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| 20:52.35 | Knorrie | chealer: hey chealer, about the squirelmail problem: it wasn't apache, squirrelmail depends on php4, so i had libapache-mod-php4, but not the virtual php4 package :S |
| 20:52.41 | Knorrie | chealer: works fine now |
| 20:52.53 | chealer | greycat: ok, so they would need at least a debian control file...is there really an appropriate tarball for debian on that page? |
| 20:53.09 | mfrisch | Esaj mozplugger should work inline with mplayer. |
| 20:53.13 | greycat | chealer: it's in CVS, last time I looked. |
| 20:53.21 | tarzeau | digibox: There are no Easter Eggs in this program. |
| 20:53.34 | Esaj | mfrisch: interesting, thanks |
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| 20:53.39 | tarzeau | digibox: apt-get has lotsa milk |
| 20:53.46 | digibox | huh? |
| 20:53.49 | s-ndh-c_ | is there a generic video driver? for xfree? |
| 20:53.51 | greycat | !cow |
| 20:53.52 | dpkg | cow is, like, a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/ |
| 20:53.52 | tarzeau | digibox: aptitude moo |
| 20:53.55 | greycat | what? |
| 20:53.56 | furrywolf | digibox: apt-get moo |
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| 20:54.07 | OmegaNine | greycat, Yeah no idea why its not working. I dont see a "contrib" section in my sources, but nothing in comented out but my CD rom drive |
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| 20:54.15 | greycat | OmegaNine: so ADD IT. |
| 20:54.34 | tarzeau | OmegaNine: if you add contrib, it will be no more "free software" |
| 20:54.51 | chealer | Knorrie: I don't understand, wasn't it apache2 you said that apt-get was trying to install? |
| 20:54.52 | greycat | tarzeau: he's contemplating installing *Java*. He's already lost. |
| 20:54.58 | furrywolf | meep! /me wonders who nosed him and why |
| 20:55.05 | tarzeau | OmegaNine: maybe you want to learn Objective-C instead of Java? |
| 20:55.11 | mrwill | hi guys, it is true that to use encrypted authentication with postfix (like digest-md5 or cram-md5), I need to set up the postfix server with certificates? |
| 20:55.29 | digibox | I see a wolf! |
| 20:55.54 | OmegaNine | tarzeau, Hu? |
| 20:55.58 | furrywolf | yes, but I don't usually nose people just on seeing them. :) |
| 20:56.24 | tarzeau | OmegaNine: http://www.toodarkpark.org/computers/objc/ |
| 20:56.44 | Delph | furrywolf: what else is a wuffynose for, if not nosing and petting. |
| 20:57.01 | chealer | greycat: so you really have to co mplayer to a deb? |
| 20:57.04 | furrywolf | heh |
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| 20:57.14 | chealer | s/to a/to build a/ |
| 20:57.16 | OmegaNine | tarzeau, Oh oh, yeah this is for azerus not for a SDK. But thanks for the link. |
| 20:57.19 | greycat | chealer: no! |
| 20:57.29 | s-ndh-c_ | now after reloading i810, x shows EE /dev/agpgart (no such device) does that mean my chipset is not supported? |
| 20:57.55 | chealer | greycat: you get the "daily CVS snapshot source" then? |
| 20:57.57 | tarzeau | s-ndh-c_: ls -la /dev/agpgart says what? |
| 20:57.57 | greycat | chealer: you didn't read the factoid properly. See where it says "see <marillat>"? |
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| 20:58.16 | chealer | greycat: yes, but if you want to build the package |
| 20:59.02 | greycat | chealer: then you get the source. it should have a debian/ directory in it. then you install a shitload of dependencies and nonpackaged libraries ("real" thingy) and crap and pray. |
| 20:59.32 | s-ndh-c_ | tarzeau: crw-rw---- root video 10, 175 ... /dev/agpgart |
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| 21:00.34 | tarzeau | s-ndh-c_: and you graphics card is intel? |
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| 21:00.42 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: then it's impossible that you got a "no such file" on it. |
| 21:00.42 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: were you running startx in a chroot or something? |
| 21:00.43 | tarzeau | jharrison: man! |
| 21:00.47 | chealer | greycat: ok, I figured out that you had to uncompress the tarball first |
| 21:00.49 | tarzeau | s-ndh-c_: can you send me a video rom dump? |
| 21:01.06 | chealer | greycat: see, I'm too much a good debian user usually :) |
| 21:01.06 | greycat | chealer: *jaw drop* |
| 21:01.09 | jharrison | tarzeau: ? |
| 21:01.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you collecting those? |
| 21:01.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah ;) |
| 21:01.17 | greycat | chealer: you wanted to compile this horrid monster.... why? |
| 21:01.20 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ |
| 21:01.20 | s-ndh-c_ | greycat: it says no such device now |
| 21:01.25 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: ah. |
| 21:01.28 | greycat | !nosuchdevice |
| 21:01.29 | dpkg | "No such device" means you're trying to access a device which exists in /dev but for which the kernel has no driver available. Try 'modconf', or rebuild your kernel. |
| 21:01.33 | cire | I want to export /home on a server, and to mount it by a client. This works well, but the UIDs are not always the same on both machines. So the permissions are not set up correctly. Do I have to change the UIDs, or is there another solution? |
| 21:01.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: and it was actually useful to find out if network cards were bootable or not ;) |
| 21:01.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: video dumps? |
| 21:01.51 | chealer | greycat: no no, I was just trying to understand how that factoid made sense. at least I learned something |
| 21:01.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: we maintain about 150 linux workstations (that we install/maintain fully automatic) |
| 21:02.05 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
| 21:02.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: department of physics in switzerland, www.debian.org/users/ |
| 21:02.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: we've got a tool called dphys2 (3 now for sarge) that is > fai |
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| 21:02.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: work for me? i don't have money, i'm not the employer |
| 21:02.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: wait a/s/l? |
| 21:03.06 | greycat | dpkg, mplayer =~ s/<cerkinfo>/<cerkinfo> (for pre-built debs),/ |
| 21:03.06 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 21:03.21 | PerfDave | cire: Either synchronise the UID and GIDs, or remap them as part of the mount. |
| 21:03.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: 453/u/r |
| 21:03.26 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:03.27 | greycat | dpkg, mplayer =~ s/, or ask me about "marillat"/ (to build your own)/ |
| 21:03.27 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 21:03.36 | PerfDave | cire: Synchronising them will probably be easier in the long run. |
| 21:03.39 | lex | Heyas NIS gods... here is a quick question: if ive a nis client, properly configured.... and i login to the client box with a nis provided user, and execute passwd..... should I be able to change the password? |
| 21:03.52 | drac | usbhid isn't in my modules.conf as listed, but i need to add parameter 'mousepoll=2' for it. Can I just add line: options usbhid mousepoll=2 there? |
| 21:03.58 | greycat | lex: use yppasswd |
| 21:04.01 | abrotman | NIS gods ? |
| 21:04.13 | cire | PerfDave: What do you mean with "synchronizing" ? CHange the UIDs? |
| 21:04.27 | greycat | cire: yes |
| 21:04.34 | cire | okay, thank you. |
| 21:04.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/god.txt |
| 21:05.01 | digibox | hey what do you use to remove a user? |
| 21:05.12 | tarzeau | digibox: edit /etc/passwd |
| 21:05.20 | greycat | tarzeau: horrible answer... |
| 21:05.37 | chealer | greycat: anyway, trying to build complains about missing libglib-dev libgtk-dev which both don't exist on sarge :/ |
| 21:05.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: you and paulswm ... |
| 21:05.39 | greycat | digibox: deluser, userdel, vipw + rm, ... |
| 21:05.39 | tarzeau | greycat: horrible concept of usermanagemnt |
| 21:05.50 | tarzeau | greycat: that doesn't scale, cries for a horrible way of usage |
| 21:05.50 | jcuk | er guys |
| 21:05.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: if it's soo much better than FAI .. why not release it ? |
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| 21:05.57 | greycat | tarzeau: no, if you want them to do it the old school way, "vipw(8)" is the correct answer. |
| 21:05.57 | jcuk | im trying to forward ports on my router |
| 21:06.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's released ;) |
| 21:06.03 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:06.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: want the url? |
| 21:06.06 | jcuk | but how do i find out what ip my router has asssigned this computer |
| 21:06.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: on freshmeat or anything ? |
| 21:06.15 | greycat | tarzeau: if you just say "edit /etc/passwd" they're going to type "nano /etc/passwd" instead of "EDITOR=nano vipw" and then it gets all fucked up |
| 21:06.19 | s-ndh-c_ | modprobe i810 shows unable to initialise agpgart module |
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| 21:06.33 | s-ndh-c_ | maybe i should compile akernel by hand |
| 21:06.36 | greycat | jcuk: ifconfig -a |
| 21:06.42 | abrotman | s-ndh-c_: bad idea |
| 21:06.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: nope, let me find it for ya |
| 21:06.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys3/ |
| 21:07.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's for sarge (it works installing fully automatic), dphys2 is what we currently use. and i'm testing dphys3 |
| 21:07.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: obviously biased ... " interactive installer for an hours time for each machine." |
| 21:07.21 | abrotman | hours? |
| 21:07.24 | abrotman | what are you doing wrong ? |
| 21:07.31 | jcuk | ty greycat |
| 21:07.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: we've got 10gb of software |
| 21:07.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:07.43 | mfrisch | I borked my bios and it says checksum error when I boot everything powers up, but the floppy light stays on... |
| 21:07.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: that we pre-install |
| 21:07.52 | tarzeau | blame the users that want gnome and kde |
| 21:08.01 | greycat | !magic hate ball |
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| 21:08.04 | s-ndh-c_ | abrotman: why is that a bad idea? |
| 21:08.16 | tarzeau | mfrisch: cool! |
| 21:08.19 | abrotman | s-ndh-c_: because .. :) |
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| 21:08.28 | tarzeau | mfrisch: turn off the light and make a photo of the floppy light! |
| 21:08.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: so why not release it .. or send a note to DWN ? |
| 21:08.44 | s-ndh-c_ | i then only have support for what i need |
| 21:08.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: a bare install takes 5-10 minutes |
| 21:08.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: ahm, you do it! |
| 21:08.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: ever though of making it more simple ? |
| 21:08.57 | mfrisch | tarzeau no help :)~ |
| 21:08.59 | s-ndh-c_ | and my kernel is not bloated like the prebuild ones |
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| 21:09.11 | SNL|Lucel | installing the java-package from unstable in woody is not simple - can anyone help please? |
| 21:09.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah i'm working on it (i have a document in rtf with 3 steps ;) |
| 21:09.19 | greycat | SNL|Lucel: wget it. dpkg -i it. |
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| 21:09.32 | greycat | hell, you can even download it in your web browser. |
| 21:09.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: like .. on the dhcp server .. keep a list of MAC and the associated options ? |
| 21:09.33 | Lucel | I got it - but then I need to install so many other packages from unstable |
| 21:09.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: yep |
| 21:09.41 | abrotman | and it just boots .. installs .. voila ? :) |
| 21:09.41 | greycat | Lucel: WRONG. |
| 21:09.44 | Lucel | it's like every package you download you need ten other |
| 21:09.46 | PerfDave | Lucel: /msg dpkg backport |
| 21:09.47 | saabin | hello again. |
| 21:09.47 | greycat | !depends java-package sid |
| 21:09.49 | dpkg | java-package: depends on debhelper, fakeroot, coreutils | stat |
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| 21:09.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: we have homedirs (nfs,nis) for mac, windows and linux |
| 21:09.55 | abrotman | java-package is in sarge |
| 21:09.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: (all the same dir ;) |
| 21:10.01 | greycat | !depends java-package sarge |
| 21:10.06 | dpkg | java-package: depends on debhelper, fakeroot, coreutils | stat |
| 21:10.10 | Lucel | yeah and then coreutils depends on acl blah blah etc |
| 21:10.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: pretty cool, but gnome fucks up ~/Desktop of Mac OS X |
| 21:10.16 | greycat | Lucel: apt-get install debhelper fakeroot stat |
| 21:10.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: gnome really shouldn't do this |
| 21:10.23 | jvw | Lucel: it has coreutils | stat for a reason |
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| 21:10.25 | Lucel | thanks |
| 21:10.26 | greycat | Lucel: CLEARLY you don't want coreutils, since that's not in woody. It's in sarge. |
| 21:10.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: cups also does funny things (printing from linux + os x) |
| 21:10.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: home on nfs ? |
| 21:10.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure |
| 21:10.51 | jvw | stat isn't in sarge, we added |stat to facilitate installs on woody |
| 21:10.54 | abrotman | gnome shouldn't do that ? |
| 21:11.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: nic.phys.ethz.ch (check the big brother link, and the server links) |
| 21:11.08 | abrotman | stat isn't in sarge .. i wish you would have told me last week before i used it |
| 21:11.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's all documented |
| 21:11.20 | Lucel | well it tells me that I need coreutils as stat has no available version |
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| 21:12.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's all in german or austrian .. or luxembourgian |
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| 21:12.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: mainly english (partly german) |
| 21:12.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: austria also talks german. no idea where you got luxemburg |
| 21:12.45 | abrotman | not luxemborgian ? |
| 21:12.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:12.51 | tarzeau | luxembork |
| 21:13.03 | greycat | !info stat woody |
| 21:13.07 | dpkg | stat: (wrapper for stat() and statfs calls), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.3-2 (woody), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
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| 21:13.15 | greycat | Lucel: you broke something. |
| 21:13.16 | abrotman | he said it wasn't in sarge |
| 21:13.41 | Lucel | do I need to add unstable to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:13.46 | greycat | NO! |
| 21:13.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: i think you've too much time on your hands :) |
| 21:13.51 | greycat | 17:09 SNL|Lucel> installing the java-package from unstable in woody [...] |
| 21:13.56 | s-ndh-c_ | strange thing is i cant compile a kernel, cause make menuconfig fails |
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| 21:14.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: me? |
| 21:14.01 | greycat | DO NOT install ANYTHING other than java-package from sid! |
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| 21:14.08 | abrotman | s-ndh-c_: libncurses-dev |
| 21:14.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah .. you |
| 21:14.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: why ? |
| 21:14.20 | abrotman | greycat: he'll need the other associated package for his SDK |
| 21:14.25 | drac | greycat: java-package is in sarge. |
| 21:14.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: btw, you've ever played nethack? |
| 21:14.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's a lot of stuff :) |
| 21:14.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: a few times .. i prefer enigma |
| 21:14.43 | greycat | drac: but LUCEL ISN'T. |
| 21:14.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: i didn't do this genious dphys stuff |
| 21:14.51 | ribnitz | looked at nvu, both versions 0.8, and 1.0PR. looks promising, but still has some way to go. |
| 21:14.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: but it really works very well |
| 21:15.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah .. gotcha .. maybe donate it to the d-i team ?> |
| 21:15.19 | ozwald | Im trying to build the atheros madwifi driver and it says I need a different version it say libc6 (>2.3.2.ds1-4) but 2.2.5-11.8 is to be installed.. any help? |
| 21:15.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've been using it for half a year now. and doing packages/administration/bugreports and that for it during that time |
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| 21:15.34 | ozwald | different version of libc6 |
| 21:15.45 | abrotman | ozwald: are you using woody? |
| 21:15.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you don't send a note about it to dwn, i will (your last chance now) |
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| 21:15.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't even know how :) |
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| 21:16.00 | abrotman | news@debian.org ? |
| 21:16.02 | tarzeau | !dwn |
| 21:16.02 | dpkg | Debian Weekly News at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ . You can also get it emailed to you weekly by subscribing to the debian-news list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ or by sending an email with the subject 'subscribe' and no body to debian-news-request@lists.debian.org |
| 21:16.12 | abrotman | i dont want to subscribe |
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| 21:16.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/contributing |
| 21:16.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: you don't have to |
| 21:16.30 | Stereo | hi folks |
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| 21:16.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: if you want me to .. wait til i get home . and i will |
| 21:16.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: thank you |
| 21:16.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm still at work ... |
| 21:16.48 | shopeonarope | is this a good place to come for help? |
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| 21:16.57 | streuner | yes |
| 21:16.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes i want you to (show me before submit, and i will review it) |
| 21:17.04 | abrotman | shopeonarope: help with what? |
| 21:17.04 | tarzeau | shopeonarope: yes |
| 21:17.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: gotcha |
| 21:17.11 | shopeonarope | a few things |
| 21:17.15 | ozwald | =/ |
| 21:17.21 | tarzeau | shopeonarope: this is not #mindreaders |
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| 21:17.25 | shopeonarope | first my network in ubuntu is not longer working |
| 21:17.31 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 21:17.31 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 21:17.33 | tarzeau | shopeonarope: THIS IS NOT #UBUNTU |
| 21:17.39 | shopeonarope | hey thnaks |
| 21:17.41 | tarzeau | shopeonarope: go to #gentoo |
| 21:17.41 | shopeonarope | lol |
| 21:17.47 | Stereo | I'm having a problem with my NFS server. My mount is read-only on my mac os x client, despite having /mnt/moonmonster 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 (rw,no_root_squash,insecure,async) in the exports file and using mount -o rw |
| 21:17.54 | streuner | haha |
| 21:17.59 | Thaiger | This is a little off topic, but can anyone recomend a good C tutorial, I googled and such but most seem pretty out dated |
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| 21:18.18 | lewis | hey there |
| 21:18.20 | tarzeau | Thaiger: www.linuks.mine.nu/kr/ |
| 21:18.35 | abrotman | Thaiger: asking #c might be more effective |
| 21:18.42 | streuner | hey lewis, what's up? |
| 21:18.43 | Pythos | iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -m state \ |
| 21:18.44 | Pythos | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.45 | tarzeau | Thaiger: and some good stuff www.linuks.mine.nu/examples/ |
| 21:18.54 | Thaiger | tarzeau: Thanks |
| 21:18.55 | ribnitz | Thaiger: I used the k&r one, but it was not good for newbies. |
| 21:18.58 | djones | Thaiger, #c has a list of books that they suggest. Some of them online. Check their site. |
| 21:19.04 | tarzeau | ribnitz: yes it is good for newbies |
| 21:19.09 | tarzeau | ribnitz: it was not good for YOU |
| 21:19.21 | lewis | even since this afternoon - i have been having troubles sending e-mails to exim from my user account. i have not changed any settings, or updated any programs, or changed anything. i get the error "Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long period of inactivity" - any suggestions? |
| 21:19.27 | |cA|Slash | How do i set up pppoe on a base system, i already did pppoe config and all that but i can't get it to start |
| 21:19.35 | ribnitz | tarzeau: k&r, the language c? |
| 21:19.40 | tarzeau | ribnitz: yes, yes |
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| 21:20.22 | Thaiger | djones: Thanks |
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| 21:20.31 | lewis | I use a password for SMTP, and haven't had issues like this in the past. My mail client is Outlook Express, and only thoughts are that this is a temporary ISP issue somehow. I have tried restarting exim4 to no avail. |
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| 21:21.09 | tarzeau | lewis: what's your email address? |
| 21:21.10 | ribnitz | tarzeau: do they still user the old syntax? int foo(bar,baz) int bar; char[] baz; ? |
| 21:21.14 | jcuk | question> im sending a file via GAIM its going at 2.2kbps... thats rather slow considering im on 128k up and the other person is on 1meg down.. |
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| 21:21.27 | jcuk | wouldent u say? |
| 21:21.35 | lewis | no error messages are generated in /var/log/exim4/ upon failure to send a message - and the 'connection' to the e-mail server is made immediately. |
| 21:21.35 | jcuk | or isit because its going through an msn server aswell |
| 21:21.39 | ribnitz | jcuk: ADSL is best effort. |
| 21:21.45 | jcuk | im on cable broadband |
| 21:21.50 | jcuk | the downloader is on adsl i think |
| 21:21.52 | tarzeau | lewis: no /msg please |
| 21:21.58 | ribnitz | jcuk: that too is best effort. |
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| 21:22.05 | jcuk | kk |
| 21:22.08 | Lucel | jcuk: u behind a NAT firewall? |
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| 21:22.23 | derek | should the glx module be loaded when configure the xserver with nvidia |
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| 21:22.55 | lewis | er ok - lewis@SaintsServers.com |
| 21:23.13 | chealer | dpkg: no, mplayer is <reply> not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> |
| 21:23.13 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
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| 21:23.41 | chealer | derek: as instructed in the Debian-nVidia HOWTO, yes |
| 21:23.42 | ribnitz | derek: I have a thing called nvidia-glx |
| 21:23.54 | snk00sj | goodevening, can anyone point me some directions howto clean up my disk (need some diskspace) |
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| 21:24.06 | Knorrie | snk00sj: rm -rf / |
| 21:24.09 | HiddenWolf | Someone Please help me, grub is driving me mad |
| 21:24.18 | snk00sj | i only have a 9GB scsi disk, and i need 2 GB free, but seems like this system is full of crap files |
| 21:24.23 | snk00sj | funny Knorrie tnx |
| 21:24.24 | chealer | Knorrie: don't say that |
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| 21:24.32 | rave | Knorrie thats not so friendly |
| 21:24.32 | BrianAnthony | How do I edit what programs edit |
| 21:24.36 | BrianAnthony | ... |
| 21:24.41 | BrianAnthony | how do I edit what programs open what |
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| 21:24.58 | snk00sj | /me quits irc (rm -rf) |
| 21:25.08 | snk00sj | haha! now serious :) |
| 21:25.09 | Knorrie | all: sorry, i assumed people know what's happening when you do that |
| 21:25.26 | ribnitz | snk00sj: reinstall. Min usable debian (console) should be doable in around 700 mb |
| 21:25.26 | snk00sj | is there a way to list all files bigger then lets say 200MB on the system ? |
| 21:25.37 | snk00sj | ribnitz thats not an option :) |
| 21:25.39 | OmegaNine | Rar, i think something really bad happened....I can back and dekloc had failed, now my whole file system is read only |
| 21:25.54 | snk00sj | i tried removing some dirs, but the df didn't change |
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| 21:26.01 | snk00sj | it stayed on 100% |
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| 21:26.19 | snk00sj | i finally managed to get it to 94% (clearing some kernel sources) |
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| 21:26.27 | derek | wheres the nvidia howto? |
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| 21:26.36 | snk00sj | but i am not really into debian, and i don't know where to look for unneeded files |
| 21:26.37 | cusco | hi does anyone here that uses gtkpod is able to put .ogg files into their ipods? |
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| 21:27.06 | Knorrie | snk00sj: dpkg -l | less, and look if there's stuff installed you don't need |
| 21:27.22 | TotallyUber | anyone here use muine that i can message some errors to? |
| 21:27.25 | Knorrie | snk00sj: but 9GB is really a lot of space for a debian install |
| 21:27.34 | rovragge | hello. how do I figure out an X applications windows class? |
| 21:27.41 | snk00sj | there are alot knorrie, i tried that |
| 21:27.48 | snk00sj | but i would like to list the apps on size or something |
| 21:27.58 | snk00sj | because something on my system must be using alot of space |
| 21:28.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: remind me later |
| 21:28.17 | arjanoosting | snkoosj: dpigs |
| 21:28.20 | lewis | tarzeau: any ideas? |
| 21:28.21 | TotallyUber | please? can anyone help? its sefaulting? |
| 21:28.25 | Knorrie | snk0osj: did you do an " du -s /*" ? (no, that doesn't remove all files) :P |
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| 21:28.30 | Gumby | does anyone know what kind of bot dpkg is? |
| 21:28.32 | TotallyUber | (muine:17383): libmuine-CRITICAL **: player_stop: assertion `IS_PLAYER (player)' failed |
| 21:28.32 | TotallyUber | (muine:17383): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid (NULL) pointer instance |
| 21:28.32 | TotallyUber | (muine:17383): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_emit_valist: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed |
| 21:28.32 | TotallyUber | Segmentation fault |
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| 21:28.43 | Gumby | I;m looking for a similar type of info bot |
| 21:28.43 | TotallyUber | opps, wrong channel |
| 21:28.44 | snk00sj | knorrie what does that do ? |
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| 21:28.58 | TotallyUber | but can anyone tell me whats wrong from those errors |
| 21:29.01 | snk00sj | dpigs ? |
| 21:29.08 | Knorrie | snk00sj gives you a list of the top-level dirs and how big they are |
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| 21:29.19 | arjanoosting | snk00sj: dpigs shows the biggest packages on your system, it is in debian-goodies |
| 21:29.28 | HiddenWolf | I have a problem with grub. I attached an old ide disk to my pc. my linux is on /dev/sda, formerly (hd0,0) - the new disk is /dev/hda, should be (hd1,0) Device map now indicates /dev/hda is hd0,0, and /dev/sda is hd1,0, but grub still doesn't boot to windows on /hda. Out of my debt |
| 21:29.42 | Knorrie | by the way how do you guys add a nick and a colon automagically when replying? |
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| 21:30.26 | snk00sj | /usr is 5GB |
| 21:30.30 | chealer | Knorrie: tab key autocompletion |
| 21:30.35 | snk00sj | and /proc a GB |
| 21:31.09 | HiddenWolf | out of my depth, even |
| 21:31.11 | Knorrie | snk00sj: /proc lists the size of your ram, ignore that |
| 21:31.30 | Knorrie | chealer: nice |
| 21:31.37 | chealer | dpkg: what are you? |
| 21:31.37 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 21:31.53 | snk00sj | haha ok i just told everyone i'm a noob :) |
| 21:32.49 | Knorrie | HiddenWolf: i had that problem once before, i ended up making a grub floppy, booting into the system with the ide drive installed using the floppy, and then grub-install (hd0,0) |
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| 21:33.17 | snk00sj | /usr/src i don't need that one do i ? |
| 21:33.33 | raf256 | how can I write an a.sh script, |
| 21:33.38 | LinuxNIT | is rpc.statd supposed to use a different port each time the computer reboots |
| 21:33.42 | raf256 | that will go one level up (cd ../) and execute a file there? |
| 21:33.50 | thoron | Is there speech recognition software in Debian so that you could use computer by speaking to it? |
| 21:33.53 | raf256 | cd ../ && ./run.sh doesnt work |
| 21:34.03 | HiddenWolf | Knorrie, it's weird, because i'm booting to /sda as hd0, but my device map, and grub itself list /sda as hd1 |
| 21:34.09 | Knorrie | HiddenWolf: think i used this page: http://users.ameritech.net/gholmer/howdoi-GRUB-boot-floppy.html |
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| 21:35.33 | arjanoosting | snk00sj: give debpigs a try, it will list to biggest space consumers and then you can remove those packages |
| 21:35.49 | arjanoosting | snk00sj: s/debpigs/dpigs |
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| 21:36.53 | snk00sj | hmmz |
| 21:37.14 | Knorrie | HiddenWolf: uhm sorry missed the prob was starting windoze |
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| 21:37.29 | fatal_ | how do I set a debconf value manually? ... I want to set "localdelivery" to "maildir_home" .. |
| 21:37.49 | derek | how do i solve "Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 6.1.0, but |
| 21:37.49 | derek | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.51 | derek | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.53 | derek | sry |
| 21:38.01 | HiddenWolf | Knorrie, any pionters? |
| 21:38.01 | Knorrie | HiddenWolf: i read too fast and thought the problem was booting the sda after plugging in hda, that was my problem before |
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| 21:38.06 | sussudio | !sorry |
| 21:38.07 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
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| 21:38.20 | HiddenWolf | Knorrie, the sda boots fine, it's the hda I don't get to |
| 21:38.53 | Knorrie | HiddenWolf: which grub are you looking at when starting the computer? grub from the sda or hda disk? |
| 21:39.01 | HiddenWolf | grub from sda |
| 21:39.06 | derek | my kernel and nvidia-kernel are the same version, thats all i know how to do |
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| 21:41.13 | snk00sj | oké i found alot of files generated by a hl server |
| 21:41.15 | snk00sj | .dem |
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| 21:41.30 | snk00sj | i'll try to tar.gz em up, and that'll come up with some space |
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| 21:41.43 | gamma | Anyone have the "clearlooks-milk" gtk2 theme? |
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| 21:41.54 | Knorrie | HiddenWolf: i think it's some playing with hd0 and hd1, sometimes they swap when adding a ide disk to a scsi system |
| 21:42.04 | HiddenWolf | Knorrie, starting grub from sda, plugged in and formatted the hda disk fpurely for windows |
| 21:42.24 | HiddenWolf | Knorrie, I just gathered they did, but I tried booting both to hd1 and hd0 with it |
| 21:42.51 | HiddenWolf | Knorrie, one gave me an 'unsupported' something error, the other 'filesystem unknown' |
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| 21:43.08 | snk00sj | whats the syntax to make an archive out of files with the same extension ? |
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| 21:43.48 | ribnitz | snk00sj: tar -cf foo.tar *.gz, man tar |
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| 21:44.00 | Knorrie | HiddenWolf: so debian runs ok, but windows doesn't boot, but gives errors |
| 21:44.13 | HiddenWolf | Knorrie, right |
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| 21:44.14 | rudenstam | I'm confused, I just added another controller card and another 2 disks into my system... and when doing dmesg all 8 disk shows.. but 3 of them seems gone after that... can't find them with smartmontools, evms etc. |
| 21:44.17 | ribnitz | HiddenWolf: windows filesystem as in WinXP/Win2K filesystem (NTFS)? |
| 21:44.17 | rudenstam | any suggestions ? |
| 21:44.26 | HiddenWolf | ribnitz, roger |
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| 21:44.38 | Knorrie | HiddenWolf, ok and you have chainloader +1 in /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 21:44.41 | snk00sj | ty |
| 21:44.51 | snk00sj | i made up 800MB with this move :) |
| 21:45.00 | ribnitz | HiddenWolf: Curent linux versions can read ntfs at best. no file creation, no writing |
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| 21:45.11 | HiddenWolf | ribnitz, yes |
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| 21:45.17 | Delph | plus or minus captive-ntfs, yes? |
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| 21:45.57 | HiddenWolf | ribnitz, i know that, are you telling me grub can't boot to ntfs? |
| 21:45.57 | ribnitz | Delph: thats early alpha at best. compared to what you can do with FAT, or XFS, or EXT3.. |
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| 21:46.31 | lewis | anyone have any suggestions as to why I'll be unable to send SMTP e-mails, without having changed anything, getting: Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long period of inactivity - all of a sudden? |
| 21:46.32 | ribnitz | HiddenWolf: I boot to win Xp fine. |
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| 21:46.44 | ribnitz | HiddenWolf: but grub is in the mbr |
| 21:46.57 | Knorrie | HiddenWolf, grub doesn't need to read ntfs for booting win |
| 21:47.01 | ribnitz | HiddenWolf: and I installed linux after windows |
| 21:47.06 | Delph | ribnitz: as i said, plus or minus =:) |
| 21:47.14 | HiddenWolf | ribnitz, my grub is in the mbr of /dev/sda, which is my primary harddisk |
| 21:47.15 | ribnitz | Delph: agreed |
| 21:47.36 | ribnitz | HiddenWolf: does this happen to be SATA? |
| 21:47.39 | Delph | lewis: your ISP has been blacklisted and so the server you're connecting to is starting to deny you? |
| 21:48.09 | HiddenWolf | ribnitz, yes, my debian disk is a sata disk |
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| 21:48.46 | to_ | hi, $all , i'm looking for a catalog's CDs software...what could you advise to me |
| 21:49.12 | ribnitz | to_: x-plain? |
| 21:49.50 | Knorrie | HiddenWolf, title Windows \n rootnoverify (hd0,1) \n chainloader +1 in menu.lst, that's what i use to boot to boot xp from /dev/hda1 |
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| 21:50.10 | Knorrie | HiddenWolf, or (hd1,1) whatever |
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| 21:50.47 | Knorrie | HiddenWolf, but i don't know if sata stuff matters |
| 21:50.48 | witless | interesting. http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/04/microsoft-paying-religious-right.html |
| 21:50.48 | caphuso | An operating system should be just that, an operating system, upon which users can load and unload the software of their choice. For this reason KDE was chosen as the default desktop. |
| 21:51.06 | caphuso | geez... |
| 21:51.09 | witless | microsoft is paying ralph reed $20k/month. what are they getting for their money? |
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| 21:52.19 | ribnitz | caphuso: KDE (as gnome) has the tendency of bl0atware.. |
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| 21:52.40 | ribnitz | caphuso: not every user wants a full 10G+ linux on their disk. |
| 21:52.51 | caphuso | ribnitz: why are you telling _me_ that? |
| 21:52.55 | HiddenWolf | knorrie, thanks, going to try it |
| 21:53.33 | ribnitz | caphuso: textonly? |
| 21:53.54 | caphuso | ribnitz: textonly makes using my tv-card damn uncomfortable... |
| 21:54.08 | ribnitz | or xf(v)wn/ion/fluxbox... ? |
| 21:54.14 | caphuso | ion |
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| 21:56.14 | ribnitz | caphuso: X is the thing I use to open terminals in? ;) |
| 21:56.29 | caphuso | ribnitz: nah. there's also xclock |
| 21:57.07 | ribnitz | caphuso: is this the same as ion2? |
| 21:57.27 | caphuso | ribnitz: i use ion3 |
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| 21:58.24 | HiddenWolf | knorrie, your options didn't work |
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| 21:59.10 | djones | hiddnewolf, windows has to be on the primary hdd. It's a little bitch in that way. |
| 21:59.33 | ribnitz | caphuso: In the office, I usually end up with a firefox, a thunderbird, an eclipse, and about 20-25 terminals (over 10 virtuals) |
| 22:00.15 | ribnitz | caphuso: atm its XFCE(4).. |
| 22:00.51 | pepperpot | (OT) Am I supposed to remove the stickers from my RAM sticks? |
| 22:01.08 | djones | hiddenwolf, You have to make your windows disk the first disk and install your grub on it's MBR. |
| 22:01.25 | Ronin | pepperpot: never have here |
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| 22:01.45 | caphuso | ribnitz: screen can help to cut down the number of terminal windows |
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| 22:02.54 | snk00sj | yeah but some people leave even more stuff open using screen :) |
| 22:03.15 | snk00sj | less | screen -r :) |
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| 22:03.19 | cafuego | djones: It can run off another hdd, provided you give it an 8Mb hda1 |
| 22:04.00 | ribnitz | caphuso: Xfce4 uses grouping. however, there are still 25 Terminals called "Terminal" |
| 22:04.11 | HiddenWolf | cafuego, how do I set it up? |
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| 22:04.19 | Any_Key | or posible to install windows on second partittion the very little small remains for bootloader |
| 22:04.55 | resiak | You can also use Grub to trick Windows into booting from something other than hda1 |
| 22:04.56 | Knorrie | :) |
| 22:05.05 | ribnitz | Windows feels best on the first partition of the first (primary) hdd. |
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| 22:05.13 | cafuego | HiddenWolf: You make SURE there's a small vaft32 or ntfs partition at the start of the first disk, then install windows on the second or third disk. MIND YOU, it it FAR BETTER to move your windows disk to position 1 and just tweak the Linux cfg. |
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| 22:05.40 | snk00sj | /dev/sda3 8222656 3391788 4413180 44% / |
| 22:05.42 | HiddenWolf | cafuego, switch the disk order in the bios? then how do I get grub on it's mbr? |
| 22:05.43 | snk00sj | i did it ! |
| 22:05.43 | Any_Key | yeah but then you reinstall it :-( it ruins MBR |
| 22:05.44 | cafuego | resiak: it still wants ntldr on hda1, bitches badly if it's not there. |
| 22:05.51 | Knorrie | snk00sj, congrats |
| 22:05.58 | resiak | cafuego: Really? :| |
| 22:06.03 | geit | Any using squirrelmail? What imapd are you using, then? |
| 22:06.09 | cafuego | resiak: Yeap |
| 22:06.17 | ribnitz | caphuso: grub can help with that if you install windows first. |
| 22:06.19 | resiak | cafuego: Mmm. Sounds flavoursome. |
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| 22:06.40 | Knorrie | geit, squirrelmail works with many imap servers, i use cyrus |
| 22:06.43 | snk00sj | thanks, learning every minute :) |
| 22:06.52 | Jon | hmm |
| 22:06.57 | cafuego | Can I just say google ads are getting irritating? Ebay claims I can buy an Airpus A380 online. |
| 22:07.02 | cafuego | airbus too |
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| 22:07.17 | snk00sj | cafuego haha |
| 22:07.19 | zinx | cafuego: wow, buy one for me too |
| 22:07.20 | Delph | cafuego: lol |
| 22:07.22 | resiak | cafuego: Airpuss! Cats that fly! |
| 22:07.25 | ribnitz | cafuego: You probably can.. |
| 22:07.30 | tull | hello! can anyone tell me how i initialize a program at boot to run on the background? |
| 22:07.42 | loocek | is there any way to change hostname without rebooting computer ? |
| 22:07.42 | HiddenWolf | cafuego, how do I get grub to install on /dev/hda mbr then? |
| 22:07.43 | tull | i tryied cron but didnt work i |
| 22:07.58 | cafuego | HiddenWolf: /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda |
| 22:07.59 | snk00sj | if you are a saudi oil sjeik you can |
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| 22:08.12 | Any_Key | loocek use hostname |
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| 22:08.33 | cafuego | loocek: sure; hostname new.host.name (a s root) |
| 22:08.49 | HiddenWolf | cafuego, thanks, I'm trying it out |
| 22:08.53 | loocek | aaa, thanks guys |
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| 22:09.31 | gothtec | How can I check which hardware devices have been recognized, and which drivers are loaded to support them? |
| 22:09.43 | xopher_ | cafuego: I did that yesterday, installed grub on my other hdd, now it tells me 'Files missing', any ideas? |
| 22:09.50 | paulswm | gothtec: lspci, lsmod |
| 22:09.54 | cafuego | gothtec: dmesg |
| 22:09.55 | gothtec | thanks |
| 22:10.15 | cafuego | !any ideas |
| 22:10.15 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 starving goats. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 22:10.44 | Knorrie | xopher_: perhaps grub can't find menu.lst |
| 22:10.44 | |cA|Slash | haha, nice |
| 22:10.58 | cafuego | or the stage* files |
| 22:11.11 | xopher_ | any possible solutions? |
| 22:11.13 | Any_Key | loocek: but for some programs (gnome) love you hostname to be written in files (/etc/hostname) |
| 22:11.18 | xopher_ | what should I edit :) |
| 22:12.17 | |cA|Slash | can I get some help with pppoe? |
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| 22:12.37 | tarzeau | can someone tell abrotmann i went sleeping? |
| 22:12.48 | caphuso | !tell |cA|Slash -about ask |
| 22:13.07 | caphuso | tarzeau: /msg memoserv help |
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| 22:13.18 | resiak | tarzeau: Home... |
| 22:13.24 | resiak | tarzeau: I can't read. |
| 22:13.28 | resiak | tarzeau: Ignore that. |
| 22:14.00 | cafuego | tarzeau: /msg memoserv help |
| 22:14.12 | distempr | copying cd's... ie.. cd to cd-r w/one drive... |
| 22:14.18 | distempr | is there a dpkg infotidbit |
| 22:14.25 | cafuego | distempr: 'cdrdao copy' |
| 22:14.30 | distempr | cafuego: danke |
| 22:15.03 | |cA|Slash | haha, when i ask strait out everyone ignores me:P. Basicaly, I have a base system, i went through pppoeconfig, it recognizes my network card and and it can bring it up, but I can't start pppoe, ifconfig ppp0 returns device not found |
| 22:15.35 | sussudio | |cA|Slash: try running pppoeconf first |
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| 22:15.53 | |cA|Slash | I said, i did that |
| 22:16.06 | sussudio | i don't think it's called pppoeconfig |
| 22:16.23 | sussudio | it'll do a search for a 'concentrator' |
| 22:16.51 | cafuego | |cA|Slash: run 'pon' and check syslog. |
| 22:17.15 | caphuso | |cA|Slash: and make sure the interface you are going to use pppoe over is up |
| 22:17.24 | |cA|Slash | I'm probably misspelling it now, yeah, it does that, it finds it then asks for a username and pass, then some question about restricting packetsizes and wether you want it to start on boot |
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| 22:17.48 | cafuego | |cA|Slash: *nod* Then run 'pon' or 'pon dsl-provider' to bring up the DSL connection. |
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| 22:17.57 | |cA|Slash | yeah, i tried bringing up eth0 before doing pon dsl-provider |
| 22:18.47 | |cA|Slash | just pon returns an error because it doesn't know what connection you want to use |
| 22:18.47 | cafuego | !rotkind sussudio |
| 22:18.49 | dpkg | Hee sussudio, ga je mee naar de PUNICA OASE? |
| 22:18.52 | gothtec | When trying to play an mp3 using mpg321 on my newly installed sarge box, all I get is a static, buzzing kinda sound, like a mistuned radio. My soundcard is, according to lspci, a "ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12)", and lsmod says that soundcore has loaded snd and maersto3. Any ideas? |
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| 22:19.50 | snk00sj | try a non 'chemical brothers' mp3 |
| 22:19.55 | Knorrie | lol dpkg can speak dutch! |
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| 22:20.14 | gothtec | snk00sj: it's graveworm :) |
| 22:20.21 | Fo | hi, when Im logging of from some user .. for an instance : test - and making who to see what users are logged in - the one from which i logged out is still hangin on ... |
| 22:20.34 | phogg | gothtec: cat a wav file to your audio device. Be prepared for more static. |
| 22:20.36 | amichai | can anyone check my xorg.conf and tell me whats missing, cos i cant figure it out. i'm refering to fglrx setup |
| 22:20.38 | snk00sj | :) |
| 22:20.51 | cafuego | amichai: xorg isn't in debian, wrong channel. |
| 22:21.09 | amichai | cafuego, oh right thanx :) |
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| 22:21.26 | cafuego | well that was odd |
| 22:21.30 | snk00sj | :) |
| 22:21.36 | snk00sj | anyone from a'dam here ? |
| 22:21.37 | resiak | A tame troll. |
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| 22:21.59 | cafuego | snk00sj: yuck no. |
| 22:22.04 | Knorrie | snk00sj, no bit more to the south |
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| 22:22.11 | pder | DEBIAN DO NOT SUPPORT COMMODORE 64 COMPUTER |
| 22:22.16 | snk00sj | i need a good shop to pick up an APC |
| 22:22.28 | cafuego | apc? |
| 22:22.33 | snk00sj | but i need it to be on the same road (from belgium) to amsterdam |
| 22:22.39 | paulswm | armoured personnel carrier? |
| 22:22.43 | snk00sj | APC, to remotely reboot servers |
| 22:22.59 | snk00sj | a power thing, i don't know the full name |
| 22:23.01 | cafuego | snk00sj: I think there's a couple of roads going from belgium to amsterdam |
| 22:23.03 | gothtec | phogg: how do I know which device is my audio device? they're just named audio, audio0, audio1 and so on |
| 22:23.16 | gAri- | american power source? |
| 22:23.29 | snk00sj | cafuego the highway from r'dam to a'dam |
| 22:23.33 | snk00sj | it's all the same |
| 22:23.34 | phogg | gothtec: You're using ALSA? |
| 22:23.44 | snk00sj | do you know any good computer server shops around your place ? |
| 22:23.44 | cafuego | Ah ok, that thing going past Delft? |
| 22:23.48 | snk00sj | like the url or something ? |
| 22:23.55 | |cA|Slash | so no idea on the pppoe thing? |
| 22:23.57 | Knorrie | http://www.a-tembo.nl |
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| 22:24.04 | snk00sj | delft is ok yeh |
| 22:24.08 | cafuego | snk00sj: http://www.cpl.net.au/ is 200m away |
| 22:24.09 | Knorrie | but don't think they got an apc |
| 22:24.10 | snk00sj | but i need the apc to be in stock |
| 22:24.15 | pder | DO DEBAIN RUN THE SOUNDZ? |
| 22:24.20 | snk00sj | and normal computer shops don't have that stuff |
| 22:24.23 | gothtec | phogg: i haven't a clue, really. i haven't installed anything sound-specific since install, since I don't know what I should use. it's basically a clean sarge install, that seems to have detected my sound device and is able to send static to it using mpg321 |
| 22:24.29 | snk00sj | i know one in my town, but it has to slow shipping times |
| 22:24.41 | phogg | gothtec: look in /proc/asound/ If it exists and has files you most likely run alsa |
| 22:24.43 | cafuego | pder: Please don't troll. We'll have to get an op to remove you, so just spare everyone the hassle, ok? |
| 22:25.15 | pder | cafuego ok |
| 22:25.15 | gothtec | phogg: oh, and i can adjust the volume of the sound up and down which aumix, which I used on my previous linux install, which was a 1 year old unstable install |
| 22:25.19 | snk00sj | oké well i could try héh |
| 22:25.27 | gothtec | phogg: with a 2.4 kernel |
| 22:25.30 | snk00sj | aangezien jullie gare nl'ers zijn |
| 22:25.33 | cafuego | snk00sj: It's a fairly spacialised piece of hardware, so just any old shop probably wouldn't stock it. |
| 22:25.37 | gothtec | phogg: this is 2.6 |
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| 22:26.10 | snk00sj | well yeh thats why i am asking u guys if you would happen to know any of those specialised shops around there somewhere |
| 22:26.11 | snk00sj | :) |
| 22:26.12 | gothtec | phogg: yeah, I have /proc/asound |
| 22:26.31 | cafuego | snk00sj: I haven't been in holland for over 3 years now ;-) |
| 22:26.34 | phogg | gothtec: cat the file /proc/asound/cards |
| 22:26.41 | snk00sj | keep it that way ! |
| 22:26.41 | snk00sj | : |
| 22:26.43 | gothtec | phogg: no soundcards |
| 22:26.44 | snk00sj | :p |
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| 22:26.57 | Knorrie | prima toeven in delft hoor |
| 22:27.00 | cafuego | snk00sj: Oh, it's a lovely place for a holiday |
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| 22:27.05 | phogg | gothtec: then at the very least your driver isn't working correctly |
| 22:27.16 | pder | debian is good |
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| 22:27.47 | cafuego | rent a car, drive around for a couple of weeks, then piss off to south france for a month; just miss out of all of melbourne's winter. |
| 22:27.58 | Danar | can someone tell me how to remove the agpgart module? it says it's in use, though i've shut down x |
| 22:28.00 | gothtec | phogg: i think the loaded drivers, snd and maestro3 are the very same drivers i used to have loaded on my old install, and that one certainly didn't use alsa. what do you suggest I do, anyway? |
| 22:28.01 | phogg | gothtec: try lspci | grep audio |
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| 22:28.36 | cafuego | Danar: it's probably in use by another module, like the nvidia module, the radeon module, the g400 module... |
| 22:28.37 | phogg | gothtec: well if the drivers are loaded but also says no cards, maybe you are using OSS after all |
| 22:28.46 | Danar | ah, right |
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| 22:28.53 | gothtec | phogg: 0000:02:03.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12) |
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| 22:29.14 | cafuego | Danar: if you unload those module in order, you'll be able to unload agpgart too. |
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| 22:29.51 | Danar | cafuego: hrm, doesn't appear to be |
| 22:30.01 | phogg | gothtec: could you paste the output of lsmod into #flood? |
| 22:30.09 | Danar | lsmod doesn't list anything from my vid card |
| 22:30.14 | nathan__ | hello, i messed up during the install of debian on the monitor settings... how do i correct this? |
| 22:31.11 | nathan__ | i can only get 800x600 as an option for desktop resolutions, and i would like to use some of the higher resolutions my monitor is capable of handing |
| 22:31.14 | nathan__ | *handling |
| 22:31.16 | gothtec | phogg: sure.. lemme just launch irssi on that box instead. hold on |
| 22:31.31 | Fo | nathan_ : xf86cfg -textmode |
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| 22:32.03 | dondelelcaro | s/break/last/g |
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| 22:32.33 | gothtec | phogg: do you happen to know if there is an irssi command that can send the output of another command to the channel? |
| 22:32.44 | gothtec | phogg: would make things easier |
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| 22:33.05 | Guerin | gothtec: /exec -o command |
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| 22:33.13 | Guerin | use with care, or risk getting booted |
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| 22:33.23 | gothtec | Guerin: thanks. gonna use it in flood :) |
| 22:33.24 | Fo | hmm, people ! im loggin off from one user and he's hmm still connected or hes just hanging - i see him when i typing who command... can I do something about it ? |
| 22:33.27 | nathan__ | Fo, what should i do if i dont know my monitor's horizontal and verticle refresh rates? |
| 22:33.41 | Solet | hey anyone around thats really good with setting up multiple monitors in XF86Config-4? |
| 22:33.51 | gothtec | phogg: "gothflooder" is now pasting my lsmod in #flood |
| 22:33.54 | Danar | how do i find the modules depending on another? |
| 22:34.09 | Fo | nathan_ : hmm, never had that kind of problem, select 50-90 |
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| 22:34.29 | Guerin | nathan__: google, read your monitor's handbook. |
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| 22:34.46 | thingfish | nathan_ go to the manufacturer's website and see if you can get the info there. |
| 22:34.48 | Danar | lsmod, right? |
| 22:34.56 | cafuego | Danar: You can check the .dep file or attempt trial-and-error. |
| 22:34.59 | phogg | gothtec: okay, unless you specifically compiled suport for your audio card into your kernel and not as a module you definitely need to load the moule for your card |
| 22:35.01 | ia3264 | how come '/sbin/init 3' doesnt kill X |
| 22:35.05 | Danar | nothing appears to be depending on agpgart |
| 22:35.17 | Danar | except one |
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| 22:35.22 | Danar | but it says the same thing |
| 22:35.39 | phogg | gothtec: or so I assume, since all I see is a gerneric ac97 |
| 22:35.40 | cafuego | ia3264: Because /etc/rc3.d/ doesn't contain S*{x,g,k}dm ? |
| 22:36.00 | gothtec | phogg: I just installed kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686, as I have never compiled a 2.6 kernel on my own, and 2.6.8 couldn't handle the acpi on that machine |
| 22:36.34 | phogg | gothtec: compiling 2.6 kernels is easy, much friendlier than 2.4. |
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| 22:36.56 | gothtec | phogg: still, most such things should be in the standard kernels, right? |
| 22:37.08 | phogg | gothtec: yes |
| 22:37.10 | Danar | cafuego: i'm going to need a step-by-step here.. |
| 22:37.17 | Guerin | !wayttd gothtec |
| 22:37.17 | tombs | hi |
| 22:37.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, gothtec? |
| 22:37.46 | cafuego | Danar: If they don't seem to want to unload and their usage count is not -1, a reboot *may* be the only way to go. |
| 22:38.04 | Danar | cafuego: but wouldn't they just get loaded again? |
| 22:38.06 | gothtec | Guerin: to get my laptop's soundcard to output anything other than a static when I try to play an mp3 :) Freshly installed sarge with 2.6.10 kernel image from apt |
| 22:38.17 | geit | I'm using the default imapd, uw-imapd, together with squirrelmail. Getting an error: Bad request: The IMAP server is reporting ... Do you have a solution? |
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| 22:38.34 | cafuego | Danar: Not if you told the config file to not load them. |
| 22:38.40 | Danar | i mean, i already have rebooted |
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| 22:38.54 | phogg | gothtec: modprobe snd-es1968 |
| 22:38.56 | cafuego | Danar: like 'alias agpgart off' |
| 22:39.33 | Solet | does anyone in here _know_ of some one i could talk to that could help me set up the screens in the serverlayout of XF86Config-4 to match the way my monitors are on the shelves? |
| 22:39.45 | gothtec | phogg: that didn't seem to do anything. no output at all. and mpg321 still makes a static |
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| 22:39.52 | Guerin | gothtec: you said it was an ac97 pos? |
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| 22:40.14 | gothtec | Guerin: 0000:02:03.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12) |
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| 22:40.24 | Guerin | Solet: aunty google |
| 22:40.37 | AnguS | anyone knows who builds the TFT displays for apple? |
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| 22:40.41 | derek | but this X module is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version. Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 6.1.0, when trying to set up my xserver with nvidia |
| 22:40.43 | AnguS | samsung? sony? lg? |
| 22:40.48 | Solet | yeah got a great page on it too... but it doesnt tell me how to do diagnoal stuff |
| 22:40.51 | derek | i don't know whats wrong, can anyone help me |
| 22:41.00 | Guerin | gothtec: from mine: 0000:00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12) |
| 22:41.08 | f00bar | is there a "debian way" to load my iptables rules? |
| 22:41.11 | gothtec | Guerin: that sounds good... |
| 22:41.18 | gothtec | Guerin: now what did YOU do? :) |
| 22:41.31 | Guerin | gothtec: all i did was unload all sound modules, then modprobe snd-maestro3, then run alsamixer to unmute the levels |
| 22:41.37 | dondelelcaro | f00bar: there are a bunch of them. you can use ipmasq, you can write your own script, you can call them from up in ifupdown |
| 22:41.41 | Solet | the syntax that should be used doesnt work: Screen "Screen2" Relative "Screen1" 512 787 |
| 22:41.51 | f00bar | dondelelcaro: ipmasq? |
| 22:41.53 | gothtec | Guerin: after installing alsa-base and alsa-utils? |
| 22:41.57 | dondelelcaro | !info ipmasq |
| 22:42.00 | f00bar | i was going to write my own script |
| 22:42.00 | dpkg | ipmasq: (securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling), section net, is extra. Version: 4.0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
| 22:42.01 | phogg | Guerin: his /proc/asound/cards lists none. |
| 22:42.04 | Guerin | works almost perfectly on 2.6.9 and 2.6.11 so far (sid kernels) |
| 22:42.13 | f00bar | dondelelcaro: thanks *checks* |
| 22:42.15 | Guerin | phogg: that's because his module ain't loaded. |
| 22:42.22 | Guerin | or ain't loaded properly |
| 22:42.26 | ia3264 | cafuego, well how do i kill twm from inside of it? i tried /etc/init.d/xdm stop but it didnt work |
| 22:42.27 | Solet | that should put the second monitor's origin (top left) one pixel below the botom middle of screen one |
| 22:42.32 | derek | please? |
| 22:42.33 | gothtec | Guerin: I presume the "sound modules" are snd and maestro3. How do I unlead these? |
| 22:42.34 | dondelelcaro | f00bar: then write your own script. You can either load it from /etc/init.d (suboptimal) or from ifupdown (propbably optimal) |
| 22:42.45 | f00bar | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:42.52 | Danar | cafuego: it says not to edit that file directly... |
| 22:42.54 | gothtec | Guerin: unload* |
| 22:43.10 | hacim | hrm, the nvidia one-liner instructions dont seem to work for 2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 22:43.26 | phogg | Guerin: according to his lsmod maestro3 is loaded |
| 22:43.36 | Guerin | gothtec: i haven't seen your lspci, but I can imagine. grab the whole lone with all the sound modules on it, and run it through sed or tr to echange each , for a space, then pipe it into modprobe -r |
| 22:43.42 | phogg | gothtec: modprobe -r modulename |
| 22:43.45 | Danar | nvm |
| 22:44.03 | noDLL | what does :(){ :|:&};: do? i want to know what does it does internally step by step :/ it just hangs my box a moment ago DONT EXEC IT PLS |
| 22:44.04 | Guerin | phogg: maestro3 is an oss module. snd-maestro3 is an alsa module which I know works, because it works for me. |
| 22:44.21 | dondelelcaro | noDLL: what language are we talking about here? |
| 22:44.29 | caphuso | noDLL: it creates hell of a lot shell processes, thus fork bombing your box |
| 22:45.03 | phogg | Guerin: ah, I see. So do the debian 2.6 kernels have bother alsa and oss support? |
| 22:45.05 | Guerin | noDLL: creates a function called : which pipes : into itself backgrounds, then runs : again |
| 22:45.11 | noDLL | caphuso how? is that because of the | and the &? |
| 22:45.12 | Guerin | phogg: yes. |
| 22:45.21 | noDLL | i see |
| 22:45.24 | caphuso | noDLL: it's because the function runs itself |
| 22:45.27 | phogg | Guerin: ewww |
| 22:45.33 | noDLL | i understand.... recursive |
| 22:45.59 | Guerin | phogg: why? |
| 22:45.59 | noDLL | wow... cool i need to learn pipes :) hehe |
| 22:46.07 | Guerin | !abs guide |
| 22:46.07 | dpkg | abs guide is, like, The advanced Bash Scripting Guide is your bash bible. See http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 22:46.07 | gothtec | phogg, Guerin: I could apparently unload "maestro3", but "snd" is in use. I'm pasting my lsmod into #flood again now |
| 22:46.16 | Danar | cafuego: double check, which is the right file? |
| 22:46.33 | noDLL | caphuso thanks |
| 22:46.33 | Guerin | gothtec: snd is ok |
| 22:46.40 | phogg | gothtec: the Used By column will show which modules use snd. lsmod | grep snd |
| 22:46.55 | cafuego | Danar: /etc/modutils/* if you're on 2.4 and /etc/modprobe.d/* on 2.6 |
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| 22:47.24 | ia3264 | if / is known as the 'root directory' then what's /root known as? root's home directory? but its not in /home :/ |
| 22:47.26 | gothtec | phogg: there |
| 22:47.28 | cafuego | Danar: run 'update-modules' afetrwards. |
| 22:47.47 | caphuso | ia3264: it's known as /root ;-) |
| 22:47.50 | gothtec | phogg, Guerin: now mpg321 says "Can't find a suitable libao driver" |
| 22:47.55 | pureone | echo $HOME as root |
| 22:47.55 | phogg | gothtec: just modprobe -r anything that seems sound related. Anything saying AC97 or starrting with snd |
| 22:48.05 | Guerin | gothtec: http://feayn.org/~lewis/lsmodgrepsnd.txt |
| 22:48.09 | Danar | the file says it doesn't need to be modified, and man update-modules says it's obsolete |
| 22:48.14 | Danar | :/ |
| 22:48.22 | noDLL | ia3264: its known as "home of root" |
| 22:48.33 | ia3264 | home of the whopper |
| 22:48.43 | noDLL | hehehe |
| 22:48.44 | shakparl | /home/bk |
| 22:48.47 | Guerin | gothtec: did you modprobe snd-maestro? |
| 22:49.00 | Guerin | s/maestro/&3/ |
| 22:49.01 | phogg | gothtec: you'll need to modprobe snd-maestro3 once you've unloaded everything. Then re-check /proc/asound/cards to confirm that your card is recognized |
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| 22:49.45 | Danar | cafuego: in aliases? it's not in there |
| 22:50.08 | Guerin | gothtec: i'm off to work, should be back on in an hour or so. That textfile is my working module setup; enjoy. |
| 22:51.04 | ia3264 | so /home is known as 'root of home users'? |
| 22:51.19 | peterS | ia3264: I've never heard it called that |
| 22:51.37 | ia3264 | well described as not so much labelled |
| 22:52.14 | Danar | which file do i edit (2.6) to prevent a module from loading? |
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| 22:53.25 | peterS | Danar: create a /etc/discover.d/local and put the line "skip my_module_name" in it |
| 22:53.50 | peterS | Danar: then create a /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/local and put the line "my_module_name" in it |
| 22:53.58 | Danar | peterS: how can i edit whatever's telling it to load in the first place? |
| 22:53.58 | peterS | Danar: no "" quotes in either file |
| 22:54.22 | Danar | i may want it to load in the future, so i'd rather do it that way |
| 22:54.27 | peterS | Danar: "whatever's telling it to load" is probably either discover or hotplug. I told you how to cover both bases |
| 22:54.48 | Danar | k |
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| 22:56.02 | Danar | peterS: would either of those be causing agpgart to load? |
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| 22:56.54 | f00bar | dondelelcaro: thanks for the iptables info, called my script from ifupdown |
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| 22:57.44 | peterS | Danar: agpgart ... yeah, either one could |
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| 22:58.13 | peterS | Danar: actually agpgart in kernel 2.6 is just the frontend interface. the actual hardware is driven by chipset-specific modules. I don't know if those modules force agpgart itself to load, or not |
| 22:58.14 | sky0 | Danar: probably not hotplug; this is a dependeny for your graphics card driver |
| 22:58.45 | peterS | sky0: hotplug gets events from PCI hardware bus scans, doesn't it? that'd include your AGP bridge |
| 22:58.47 | hacim | anyone know what the trick is in unstable to get nvidia drivers working? module-assistant doesn't work, nor does compiling the nvidia-kernel-source according to the instructions |
| 22:59.14 | Danar | sky0: yeh... the driver wants to use internal, rather than kernel support |
| 22:59.15 | sky0 | peterS: I thought hotplug was for pcmcia+usb devices |
| 22:59.28 | peterS | sky0: there exists hot-plug PCI. think docking stations |
| 22:59.57 | peterS | sky0: a docking station is like a PCI bridge with a bunch of devices behind it, that appears and disappears |
| 23:00.12 | hacim | grumble, nvidia, grumble |
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| 23:01.40 | sky0 | peters: I wasn't aware that pci is hotplugging capable; though I don't know anything about docking-stations |
| 23:02.29 | peterS | sky0: PCI in general isn't hotplug-capable. you have to get PCI controllers that are. this includes some server hardware (so you can swap out failed network cards without powering down, etc.) and, I think anyway, laptop docking stations |
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| 23:03.50 | Danar | so, if i reboot now, it shouldn't load, and my vid driver should be able to use internal support? |
| 23:03.52 | sky0 | peters: so I would guess agpgart gets loaded (/etc/modules.conf?) when discover (or /etc/modules) loads the nvidia/ati driver. |
| 23:04.53 | peterS | slackd00d: /etc/modules is read by an init script at boot time, which then calls 'modprobe' on each line in there. modprobe reads /etc/modules.conf ... well we're talking kernel 2.6 so /etc/modprobe.d/* ... to see how to handle the module name it was given |
| 23:04.57 | peterS | sky0: ^^^^ |
| 23:05.48 | peterS | sky0: discover is a process that also runs at boot time (if you have it installed) which scans your system hardware and decides to call modprobe to load modules based on what it finds |
| 23:06.12 | Danar | peterS: well agpgart isn't listed in /etc/modules |
| 23:06.19 | peterS | sky0: hotplug is a program run by the kernel whenever the kernel gets a hotplug event, like when the USB chip reports that something was plugged or unplugged |
| 23:06.20 | sky0 | yes; that's why I said: probably not hotplug |
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| 23:07.04 | Danar | peterS: in either one actually |
| 23:07.04 | peterS | sky0: well, I believe the kernel does a PCI bus scan at boot time and generates hotplug events for everything it finds |
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| 23:07.34 | Danar | nor in the /etc/modprobe.d/aliases file |
| 23:07.36 | gothtec | How can I check if the special buttons on my laptop's keyboard generate keycodes at all? |
| 23:07.51 | p2-mate | peterS: I guess hotplug does that by itself |
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| 23:08.26 | budluva | could someone inform me how i would go about ripping something out of an .iso? say a single directory? i would just burn it but its a 1 gb iso |
| 23:08.37 | peterS | p2-mate: possible. I really need to research all this stuff and produce a table of what modules are loaded by whom at what times, controlled by what config files, in Debian sarge |
| 23:08.50 | EnterD | I compiled my own 2.6 Kernel and during boot it starts trying to unload all these files and it errors out...it wanted me to compile the kernel with UNLOAD support so I did... |
| 23:08.52 | f00bar | budluva: mount it |
| 23:09.03 | peterS | budluva: mount it with 'mount -r -t iso9660 -o loop filename.iso /mnt' |
| 23:09.16 | f00bar | budluva: mount -t iso9660 -o loop ISOFILENAME.iso mountponit |
| 23:09.24 | f00bar | :p |
| 23:09.24 | Fo | hmm, weird, ive got 1GB ram in my box and top is saying that theres only 6MB free space left - is it normal ? |
| 23:09.26 | budluva | ok |
| 23:09.32 | f00bar | peterS: -r? |
| 23:09.34 | budluva | thanks f00bar and peterS |
| 23:09.37 | f00bar | np |
| 23:09.44 | peterS | f00bar: yeah, it'll avoid the warning about iso9660 filesystems being read-only |
| 23:09.49 | f00bar | ah |
| 23:09.53 | peterS | f00bar: it's short for "-o ro" |
| 23:09.58 | f00bar | gotcha |
| 23:10.03 | budluva | so i shouldnt ever have to burn an .iso then? i didnt know .iso's were mountable in linux |
| 23:10.07 | EnterD | anyone know why its doing this? |
| 23:10.08 | directhex | Fo, yes. unused ram is wasted ram, so things are cached |
| 23:10.14 | budluva | what about .img's and other sorts? |
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| 23:10.17 | EnterD | what is "Unload Support" in the kernel |
| 23:10.21 | f00bar | budluva: yeah i never bother burning unless i have to |
| 23:10.25 | peterS | budluva: .img means nothing to me. what type of file is it actually? |
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| 23:10.37 | f00bar | budluva: .bin and .cue need to be converted to use |
| 23:10.41 | directhex | Fo, add the "buffers" value to "free" for the _real_ free amount |
| 23:10.42 | budluva | ahh |
| 23:10.46 | f00bar | budluva: use bitchunk |
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| 23:10.54 | jpablo | Hi, I wiped /var/lib/dpkg/available, is there anyway to regenerate it ? |
| 23:11.04 | directhex | !available |
| 23:11.04 | dpkg | available is probably run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
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| 23:11.06 | jpablo | (yes i wiped out available-old as well :() |
| 23:11.16 | jpablo | great |
| 23:11.45 | Danar | peterS: so if none of those files list it, then it's being loaded by hotplug/ |
| 23:12.04 | sky0 | budluva: you can convert bin/cue with 'bchunk'; there is a tool for nero images, too: nrg2iso (not sure if you can apt-get it) |
| 23:12.07 | Fo | directhex : but what should i do exacly - where i have to add the buffers value ? |
| 23:12.16 | peterS | Danar: I told you 10 minutes ago. it might be discover that loads it, it might be hotplug that loads it. I also told you 10 minutes ago how to prevent both of them from doing so |
| 23:12.27 | gothtec | phogg: I've got sound! Thanks |
| 23:12.29 | directhex | Fo, erm... in "top"? :/ |
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| 23:12.37 | jpablo | ok, I'm still fuck, i wiped another file, and now aptitude and apt-get want to install everything again, even thins i already have ... |
| 23:12.41 | Danar | peterS: yeh, i did that. just wondering what's causing it to laod |
| 23:12.45 | Danar | *load |
| 23:13.01 | budluva | sky0, thanks for the info |
| 23:13.10 | sky0 | Danar: you could rename or move the file somewhere else? |
| 23:13.19 | sky0 | budluva: you are welcome |
| 23:13.26 | cafuego | jpablo: Why are you randomly wiping files then? |
| 23:13.46 | EnterD | Can anyone help me with compiling a Kernel? |
| 23:13.50 | jpablo | cafuego: I'm not. |
| 23:14.03 | jpablo | but somebody did, and i want to restore this crap, without reinstalling. |
| 23:14.04 | directhex | dpkg, bin-cue is <reply>.bin and .cue files are part of a Golden Hawk Technology CDRWIN image. You can convert a CDRWIN image to ISO/WAV with "bchunk", though you will lose any subcode data (used for game copy protection mechanisms) |
| 23:14.04 | dpkg | directhex: okay |
| 23:14.10 | peterS | Danar: my /etc/modprobe.d/aliases includes a line "alias char-major-10-175 agpgart". this would cause the module to load any time something (like the X server) attempts to access the /dev/agpgart file |
| 23:14.16 | peterS | Danar: so that's yet another possibility, if you have that line |
| 23:14.36 | budluva | peterS, ok i mounted it like you told me and nothing appears in /mnt |
| 23:14.53 | peterS | budluva: nothing? then your .iso file is empty, or something |
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| 23:15.07 | k31th | morning |
| 23:15.13 | jpablo | is there a way for dpkg to rebuild his db ? |
| 23:15.19 | budluva | hrmm |
| 23:15.21 | EnterD | . |
| 23:15.27 | peterS | jpablo: which db? |
| 23:15.30 | Danar | peterS: i already said none of those files list it |
| 23:15.48 | peterS | Danar: I think you said /etc/modules.conf. I said /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 23:15.48 | jpablo | peterS: good question ... |
| 23:15.58 | jpablo | peterS: all of them ? |
| 23:16.31 | jpablo | the one that is read when doing dpkg --get-selections, right now i don't get anything. |
| 23:16.33 | peterS | jpablo: /var/lib/dpkg/status contains information not available elsewhere. /var/lib/dpkg/available is easy to regenerate, by deleting it and running 'dselect update' |
| 23:16.47 | Danar | peterS: at that point i had said /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf. previously i had said /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 23:16.51 | cafuego | jpablo: best bet is to tell him "no, you need to reinstall, and let this be a good lesson in don't touch it if you don't know what it does". |
| 23:16.57 | peterS | jpablo: you're talking about /var/lib/dpkg/status then. there is a status-old file and several backup copies in /var/backups/ |
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| 23:17.23 | peterS | wtf? somebody is purposely messing around with /var/lib/dpkg/*? |
| 23:17.31 | Danar | peterS: that's why i was asking, 'cause i couldn't find it listed anywhere |
| 23:17.33 | peterS | I agree with cafuego in that case. reinstall and tell him it is a lesson |
| 23:17.45 | sussudio | budluva is a bad man |
| 23:17.48 | jpablo | peterS: ok, then if there's no status-old, and there's nothing in backups im fucked ? |
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| 23:18.07 | peterS | jpablo: yes. why would there be no status-old and nothing in /var/backups/ though? |
| 23:18.21 | cafuego | peterS: They might be missing if they were deleted. |
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| 23:18.53 | gothtec | How can I get the volume button and the other special keys on my laptop's keyboard to actually do something? |
| 23:18.55 | peterS | jpablo: you can get a list of installed packages via a couple of indirect means, but they won't include version numbers. you could feed that into dpkg --set-selections though, with a bit of hackery, and run 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' |
| 23:19.05 | One | anyone have any idea how to install enemy territory? |
| 23:19.06 | Empty | Hey all, is there an X version of 'wall'? |
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| 23:19.42 | jpablo | peterS: thanks, i think i better reinstall this mess. |
| 23:19.51 | cafuego | !find bin/xwall |
| 23:20.00 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/xwall' returned no results. |
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| 23:20.11 | gothtec | Hei... siden du ikke kan motta meldinger nå, får jeg skrive her. Beklager at jeg vekket deg. Jeg kan selvfølgelig grave frem en haug med dårlige unnskyldninger, kreativ som jeg er, men sannheten er at jeg bare hadde lyst til å prate med deg og tenkte ikke på at det var sent. Unnskyld.<br /> |
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| 23:20.16 | gothtec | <br /> |
| 23:20.18 | ralf | can I personalize the build method of a source package? |
| 23:20.19 | cafuego | Empty: Hmm. xterm -e wall ? |
| 23:20.21 | gothtec | oops |
| 23:20.21 | peterS | why would you want an X version of wall? why would a sysadmin afraid of command line programs be ... a sysadmin in the first place? |
| 23:20.23 | gothtec | sorry |
| 23:20.30 | One | i tried this ./et-linux-2.55.x86.run but it just says no such file or directory |
| 23:20.41 | Empty | cafuego: I want something to pop up a window on all users using X |
| 23:20.53 | Empty | so wall->X not X->wall |
| 23:20.54 | ralf | how can I pass arguments to the debian/rules script? |
| 23:21.15 | cafuego | Empty: Ah, probably not then, if they're not running some associated deamon that monirors messages |
| 23:21.25 | sky0 | gothtec: play with "xev" to see the key symbols for each special key; then use "xmodmap" to assign a function to those key symbols |
| 23:21.29 | peterS | Empty: how do you determine who is running X? look at all processes' environments and find all DISPLAY variables? ugly |
| 23:21.58 | cafuego | peterS: Just go through the list of X fifos under /tmp |
| 23:22.14 | peterS | cafuego: that'll only work for local X servers |
| 23:22.20 | Empty | cafuego, peterS , thanks anyway then |
| 23:22.29 | cafuego | peterS: yeah, kill 'em! |
| 23:22.30 | Empty | peterS, yeah personal;ly I'd awk "w" |
| 23:22.46 | peterS | Empty: 'w' would show X sessions? |
| 23:23.05 | Empty | TTY = :nn |
| 23:23.28 | directhex | One, why did you try that? 2.60 is current |
| 23:23.32 | Empty | This is a Sarge box w/ SunWUT (the sun thinclient stuff) |
| 23:23.52 | cafuego | Empty: Maybe edit the global xinitrc so that next time they login, some little app starts running, so you can notify them. I'm sure something like it exists. |
| 23:24.06 | peterS | Empty: "TTY" shows "pts/18" and so forth for my X-based processes. "FROM" shows a variety of things, which don't seem to distinguish between X and other things |
| 23:24.15 | Empty | cafuego, yeah I am too, which is why I thought I'd ask :) |
| 23:24.15 | One | dir, this is the one i downloaded. and you cant play etpro with vertion 2.6 |
| 23:24.19 | directhex | cafuego, winpopup on wine! |
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| 23:24.37 | cafuego | !punchfuck directhex |
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| 23:24.57 | directhex | One, either chmod a+x et-linux-2.55.x86.run, or run it with "sh et-linux-2.55.x86.run" |
| 23:25.06 | zinx | One: 3.1.12 works with 2.60, and 3.1.13 (to be released soon) also works, and doesn't require you to use a different qagame :P |
| 23:25.27 | Empty | peterS, the main login in this environment shows a :nn per user |
| 23:25.34 | peterS | Empty: but trawling through /proc/*/environ looking for DISPLAY variables, and figuring out which user's home directory will have an .Xauthority containing each unique DISPLAY variable found, and collating those into a master .Xauthority file, and running 'xmessage' on each DISPLAY ... that's the work of a 50-line shell script, I suppose. have fun |
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| 23:25.51 | One | zin, yes but the server must be running 2.6 as well and the ones i go to most dont |
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| 23:26.00 | cafuego | peterS: 50 line shells cript, so perl can do it in 4? ;-) |
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| 23:26.02 | Empty | peterS, so 10 lines opf perl then, thanks :P |
| 23:26.04 | peterS | Empty: I don't see any :nn. maybe because I use startx rather than xdm? |
| 23:26.11 | cafuego | Empty: HAHAHA! ;-) |
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| 23:26.12 | Fo | directhex : hmm, i readed all about top in man - but, still i dont know how to set the buffers value - in /etc/ i dont see any toprc configuration file :/ |
| 23:26.16 | Empty | peterS, I am guessing so |
| 23:26.23 | sky0 | ralf: if you call the script directly, you can do "FOO=bar debian/rules". If you call dpkg-buildpackage I would either edit debian/rules or "export FOO=bar" before. |
| 23:26.23 | One | dir, sh et-bla bla bla as root? |
| 23:26.38 | peterS | Empty: I do have :tty6:S.0 for example, for a screen process that I originally started on tty6 |
| 23:26.44 | ralf | ok, tnx |
| 23:27.08 | peterS | Empty,cafuego: probably closer to 10 lines of perl than 4, yeah. |
| 23:27.22 | directhex | Fo, jesus, you don't SET it. unless you're a kernel hacker, and want to rewrite linux's memory management subsystems. buffering is done automatically, it's a basic OS function. conceptually, though, buffered memory is "free" for any application to claim and use, meaning it's free memory for the purposes of going "what's eaten all my ram" |
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| 23:27.42 | Empty | peterS, yeah looks like a dm thing, the wdm on that box and gdm on my lap seem to own em |
| 23:27.48 | peterS | Empty: actually I'd write readable perl and it'd be more like 50 lines of *that* |
| 23:28.09 | directhex | One, press the tab key on your keyboard after you partially type someone's name. if a line doesn't contain "directhex", then it's not highlighted red, i don't see it |
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| 23:28.20 | Empty | peterS, you can turn that to 10 lines with "grep -v ^#" :P |
| 23:28.37 | directhex | One, and as root if you want a systemwide install into /usr/local/games rather than a per-user install into $HOME |
| 23:28.41 | Fo | ehheehe, directhex : thx ! my english is not so good, so I sometime dont fully understand everything |
| 23:28.57 | cafuego | peterS: Do it in php! |
| 23:28.57 | peterS | Empty: nah, I use blank lines too. btw, to remove blank lines and comments from arbitrary config files and scripts: grep '^[^#]' - I use that one *all* the time |
| 23:29.15 | One | directhex, i got this when i tried sh et-liunx-2.55.x86.run /root/.setup11756: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:29.15 | One | ./setup.sh: line 278: 11780 Segmentation fault "$setup" "$@" 2>>$NULL |
| 23:29.15 | One | The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1 |
| 23:29.20 | Empty | peterS, yeah, me too :) thanks though |
| 23:29.34 | directhex | One, amd64? |
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| 23:30.05 | directhex | dpkg, find libgtk-1.2.so.0 |
| 23:30.06 | Empty | OK well I guess I will homebrew something... xwall on google seems to point to an exchange server security proxy (which I thought was "qmail" but hey what do I know) |
| 23:30.07 | One | directhex, amd but not 64 |
| 23:30.14 | peterS | Empty: haha |
| 23:30.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libgtk-1.2.so.0' (2): (/usr/lib/{libgtk-1.2.so.0|libgtk-1.2.so.0.9.1}) in libs/libgtk1.2 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/{libgtk-1.2.so.0|libgtk-1.2.so.0.9.1}) in libdevel/libgtk1.2-dbg. |
| 23:30.36 | directhex | One, install libgtk1.2 ? |
| 23:30.53 | One | directhex, how do i do that? |
| 23:31.03 | directhex | One, erm... apt-get install libgtk1.2 |
| 23:31.17 | One | directhex, i just instaled linux today and have no idea what im doing |
| 23:31.39 | xophEr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.46 | Fo | One : what distro ? |
| 23:31.54 | One | ubuntu |
| 23:32.10 | One | fo, ubuntu |
| 23:32.20 | directhex | One, ubuntu support in #ubuntu. |
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| 23:32.22 | xophEr | One, then #ubuntu is the place for you |
| 23:33.21 | One | they have no idea what there doing over there. ive been there for 2 hours and not gotten this much help |
| 23:33.40 | One | its very close to the same anyway |
| 23:34.02 | sussudio | NEIN |
| 23:34.05 | sussudio | !ubuntusmite One |
| 23:34.12 | Empty | One, well then looks like you chose the wrong distro, neh? |
| 23:34.30 | One | haha i guess so |
| 23:34.34 | directhex | One, wolfenstein works fine for me. if it's not working for you, it suggests an ubuntu problem |
| 23:35.47 | cafuego | Yay, my ntp server made it into the pool :-) |
| 23:35.48 | Empty | Anyway, I should go look busy. Thanks |
| 23:35.54 | One | directhex, well it might work fine if i can get it installed. after i installed libgtk1.2 i try sh et.... again? |
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| 23:36.05 | Empty | cafuego, how far of a throw is that from the window? |
| 23:36.15 | cafuego | Empty: A good 12 ft. |
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| 23:36.38 | Empty | cafuego, sweet, soounds like it had good uptime in the arc there :P Later |
| 23:36.39 | cafuego | Empty: Not this server is in a stainless steel cage on wheels, so it weights a good 30kg. |
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| 23:39.31 | One | see this is a way better channel, it is installed ! thanks all, directhex |
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| 23:41.09 | directhex | One, if you want debian support, try debian. you're very lucky to have gotten help with your system, usually people are told where to shove it if they want non-debian help |
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| 23:42.33 | One | directhex, im sorry i didnt know that. how do i get an installation of debian? |
| 23:42.50 | directhex | !d-i One |
| 23:42.50 | dpkg | One, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:43.20 | One | ok thanks |
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| 23:48.20 | sussudio | WarNeD: why the spambot-like nick? |
| 23:48.51 | sussudio | hmm. wait. |
| 23:48.52 | abrotman | good answer!! |
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| 23:49.11 | gothtec | ?! |
| 23:49.13 | com64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.18 | WarNeD | sussudio ? |
| 23:49.26 | abrotman | gothtec: checking for on-join spam |
| 23:49.28 | sussudio | WarNeD: ah, you talk. |
| 23:49.33 | gothtec | ah |
| 23:49.35 | abrotman | !tell tombs about away |
| 23:50.02 | WarNeD | sussudio: no version, please |
| 23:50.08 | gothtec | ... |
| 23:50.14 | abrotman | WarNeD: we thought you were a bot |
| 23:50.20 | abrotman | sussudio: he's running mirc eh? :) |
| 23:50.33 | gothtec | probably |
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| 23:51.00 | Guerin | com64: please explain in 20 words or less what this has to do with debian. |
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| 23:51.47 | com64 | just thought ubuntu is debian based one ? tryed to get help at ubuntu channel but could not get any answer and again thought can get help from here ... |
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| 23:51.54 | Cueball_Windows | Hi. I have a pronlem with UW-IMAP since upgrade to Sarge. I can no longer use non SSL connections to the server on port 143. Any idea's? |
| 23:51.58 | tombs | abrotman, ok! I'm sorry |
| 23:52.00 | sussudio | com64: nein. |
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| 23:52.27 | abrotman | !d-i com64 |
| 23:52.28 | dpkg | com64, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 23:53.17 | Guerin | i TRIED to install ubuntu on a new box I got... but it wouldn't install |
| 23:53.29 | Guerin | so I thought, fuck it. |
| 23:53.35 | gothtec | :) |
| 23:53.54 | shingouz | Guerin: did not see the drives? |
| 23:53.58 | com64 | as i see ubuntu sux too ... |
| 23:53.59 | sussudio | in soviet russia, ubuntu fucks you |
| 23:54.10 | shingouz | it fucks you in anycase ;) |
| 23:54.34 | peterS | cafuego: 31 lines of perl. |
| 23:54.37 | sussudio | halfway during the fuck, it crashes because it's running teh SID packages. |
| 23:54.39 | peterS | cafuego: halfway between 10 and 50 |
| 23:54.50 | gothtec | It looked to me like some kind of a bloated distro that comes with all sorts of stuff I don't really want to install, which made me think of another distro of a totally different operating system, which subsequently made me puke, grab my debian cd and reinstall that instead |
| 23:55.21 | gothtec | but enough of the trolling |
| 23:55.33 | Guerin | shingouz: nope, had trouble with reading from the CD. |
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| 23:56.24 | Guerin | com64: hardware support issues won't be wildly different between debian and ubuntu |
| 23:56.41 | Guerin | oh well |
| 23:56.59 | shingouz | Guerin: sounds familiar. i have tried to install ubuntu on two computers for a couple of clients and given up because one time the frigging installer refused to see the hda and th eother time there was "no cd" |
| 23:57.10 | shingouz | ...i installed debian on them... :) |
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| 23:58.33 | abrotman | where'd tarzeau go? |
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| 23:58.47 | Cueball_Windows | Hi. I have a pronlem with UW-IMAP since upgrade to Sarge. I can no longer use non SSL connections to the server on port 143. Any idea's? |
| 23:58.50 | caphuso | abrotman: 00:12 tarzeau> can someone tell abrotmann i went sleeping? |
| 23:58.56 | caphuso | almost two hours ago |
| 23:59.01 | abrotman | caphuso: i was supposed to write an article for him .. grr |
| 23:59.22 | abrotman | caphuso: can you lastlog a bit further and get the .ch url ? |
| 23:59.24 | abrotman | :) |
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| 23:59.34 | caphuso | abrotman: nope |
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| 23:59.39 | abrotman | caphuso: thanks :) |