| 00:00.05 | jaro | chealer: no clue about what might be the problem for me (still newbie in many ways, although using linux only for 3+ years) |
| 00:00.13 | valdyn | groton: guess it could show is 'Unknown' |
| 00:00.22 | jaro | chealer "Linux only" for 3+, not linux "only for 3+" ;) |
| 00:00.59 | Ashly | I have some invalid characters in my /var/lib/dpkg/avalible file, where can I pick up a fixed copy for testing? |
| 00:01.08 | chealer | jaro: hehe, linux is the way to stay young forever, or at least newbie in many areas |
| 00:01.30 | jaro | chealer: definitely :) |
| 00:02.00 | _terr | I got a computer that will not pass post. It was running a few minutes ago and I just added a dvd burner. Next - it will not post. I get a 1 second long beep followed by 1 second of white space followed by 1 second beep and this repeats. Any ideas? |
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| 00:02.04 | fpiat | groton: try "modprobe ne" and "modpobe ne2k-pci" |
| 00:02.12 | _terr | should be an award bios. |
| 00:02.13 | fpiat | http://www.faqs.org/docs/ethernet/Ethernet-HOWTO-4.html |
| 00:02.24 | rlinux | hi |
| 00:02.25 | _terr | it an FIC VA motherbopard. |
| 00:02.27 | drac | groton: 'modprobe ne2k_pci' too. |
| 00:02.37 | jaro | chealer: Now. I'll try to reboot my machine and see what will happen. |
| 00:02.38 | rlinux | please, what is milestone? |
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| 00:02.52 | chealer | jaro: you don't need to |
| 00:02.58 | drac | rlinux: an non-unix regular expression :) |
| 00:03.09 | chealer | jaro: just restart x, maybe rmmod and modprobe nvidia too |
| 00:03.18 | jaro | chealer: just modprobe nvidia-kernel? |
| 00:03.23 | jaro | oh, yes. |
| 00:03.30 | chealer | jaro: the module's name is only "nvidia" |
| 00:03.36 | jaro | chealer: I'll be back in a minute then :) |
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| 00:03.46 | groton | i have the NIC on my hand now. On its chip i read DL10038D - 39375Q1 - 345F. and on the green surface i read DFE-528TX. Now i insert again this PCI NIC board into the slot of the linux comp, and try again the commands you suggested to me. |
| 00:04.09 | dockane | how do i check if something is compiled into the kernel, i.e. the scsi-idle patch ? |
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| 00:04.13 | rlinux | drac, thanks, but what significate this |
| 00:04.18 | dvs | groton: That's a via-rhine I think |
| 00:05.02 | drac | http://www.dlink.com.au/products/adapters/dfe528tx/ |
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| 00:05.34 | groton | drac: it is exactly that card. |
| 00:05.43 | valdyn | that patch of dlinks website is from 2002, thats kernel 2.0? |
| 00:05.51 | valdyn | jesus |
| 00:06.12 | groton | 2.2 or 2.4 i guess, or already that is written on the box of the NIC |
| 00:06.14 | fpiat | groton: have yoy tried "modprobe ne" and "modpobe ne2k-pci" |
| 00:06.36 | rlinux | drac, thanks brother |
| 00:06.45 | groton | i inserted again the board, and now i could check.. and i do :) |
| 00:07.02 | fpiat | groton: ok |
| 00:07.36 | groton | yeah! |
| 00:07.50 | dvs | groton: Yeah what? |
| 00:07.58 | groton | Eth controller: D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Eth |
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| 00:08.11 | groton | it is the output of "lspci | grep -i eth" |
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| 00:08.45 | groton | so i do not need either to compile any module or so? it is already running properly? |
| 00:09.03 | fpiat | groton: your card was probly inserter incorrectly ;( |
| 00:09.14 | dvs | groton: 8139too should work. |
| 00:09.15 | markybob | i'm writing a script that needs to add information from two different groups of logs (gz and plain text). for x in foo.*.gz; do cat foo |wc -l; done ...but how do i add that wc -l to the wc -l of non gz logs? |
| 00:09.18 | fpiat | groton: ifconfig -a |
| 00:09.20 | groton | i cahnegd the PCI slot tough |
| 00:09.21 | drac | groton: I have one with that chip.. modprobe 8139too && modprobe 8139cp |
| 00:09.24 | groton | "changed" |
| 00:09.43 | valdyn | thats not to unusual, that the card will not work in all slots.. |
| 00:09.45 | dvs | Oh. It could be IRQ interference |
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| 00:10.00 | groton | fpiat: ifconfig reports a long output, about "eth0" and "lo" |
| 00:10.03 | markybob | do cat $x is what i meant |
| 00:10.25 | valdyn | !faq groton |
| 00:10.26 | dpkg | groton: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 00:11.08 | groton | i have to say many thanks to many people :) thanks again |
| 00:11.29 | _terr | should be an award bios. Fic Va-503 MB |
| 00:11.36 | _terr | I got a computer that will not pass post. It was running a few minutes ago and I just added a dvd burner. Next - it will not post. I get a 1 second long beep followed by 1 second of white space followed by 1 second beep and this repeats. Any ideas? |
| 00:12.00 | fpiat | groton: enjoy your surf.. and linux |
| 00:12.08 | groton | anyway, now i have to figure out how to share the ADSL modem attached to the Windows machine with the linux computer throughout the crossed eth cable, but that it is another story :) |
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| 00:12.29 | fpiat | Angelo-: who is it going ? |
| 00:12.35 | snooo | is there a debian sarge package for wxPython? |
| 00:12.46 | atrus | _terr: unplug the dvd player? |
| 00:12.48 | snooo | im trying to run iPodder |
| 00:13.38 | _terr | atrus: did that - reseated the video - tried a different video no cahnge - will nto boot - just beeps |
| 00:14.25 | chealer | snooo: I guess you want libwxgtkfoo |
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| 00:15.07 | docgnome | Where are the config files for kismet in deb? |
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| 00:15.30 | docgnome | nm. |
| 00:15.37 | shingouz | docgnome: /etc/kismet/kismet.conf |
| 00:15.47 | jetdotnet | that's cool as shit, vlc can just load a dvd .iso and play it with menus and everything |
| 00:15.50 | snooo | chealer: cant find that in synaptic |
| 00:16.06 | groton | good night all |
| 00:16.14 | shingouz | !foo snoo |
| 00:16.17 | jetdotnet | snooo probably doesn't have contrib non-free |
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| 00:16.29 | snooo | !foo |
| 00:16.30 | dpkg | bar bir bor |
| 00:17.04 | shingouz | snooo: the point is that there is the "foo" part in the thing chealer told you to look for. replace the foo with something |
| 00:17.12 | snooo | python |
| 00:17.15 | snooo | i dont think its it |
| 00:17.21 | jetdotnet | hey totally on-topic: how long do i cook homemade pizza? |
| 00:17.23 | snooo | sorry you'll have to excuse my newbieness |
| 00:17.43 | snooo | i've install libgtk2.4-python but it hasnt install libwxPython |
| 00:17.45 | dvs | jetdotnet: Did you install a pizza burning program? ;-) |
| 00:17.49 | shingouz | snooo: In that case apt-cache search libxgtk |
| 00:17.58 | jetdotnet | dvs no i apt-got pizza :/ |
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| 00:18.10 | jetdotnet | err :| |
| 00:18.15 | dvs | jetdotnet: Well, you can try 20 minutes if it's frozen |
| 00:18.16 | jetdotnet | or -_- |
| 00:18.24 | jetdotnet | no, homemade |
| 00:18.46 | shingouz | jetdotnet: huh? You have some Non-US sources on your comptuer then I guess |
| 00:18.46 | jetdotnet | not digiorno :) |
| 00:18.46 | Pepina | heh |
| 00:18.47 | jetdotnet | ftp.it.debian.org baybee |
| 00:18.57 | Sphere- | anyone knows a way to get an ftpserver that runs with TLS fxp to another server, that runs without SSL\TLS ? |
| 00:18.58 | shingouz | jetdotnet: I hate you ;) |
| 00:19.57 | snooo | hrm |
| 00:19.57 | jetdotnet | and all my other worldly possessions to #debian |
| 00:19.57 | shingouz | :) |
| 00:20.07 | jetdotnet | heh... fleet of vans |
| 00:20.16 | shingouz | dvs: Glorified bug |
| 00:20.16 | jetdotnet | if >1 == fleet |
| 00:20.23 | dvs | aha |
| 00:21.37 | jetdotnet | we have a tradition: homemade pizza on saturdays. however, it's only the second week of the tradition, and last week it was frozen :/ |
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| 00:22.08 | Sphere- | any takers on that question I asked a few lines ago ;) ? |
| 00:22.15 | jetdotnet | but we have the stuff for the homemade this time :) |
| 00:22.17 | brosio | hy 22 in binary is 10110 ? |
| 00:22.29 | Angelo- | making your own dough and everything? |
| 00:22.32 | shingouz | dvs: Ok, I have had the fortune to testdrive a 959 4wd turbo. Not sure how it compares to the base 911 turbo but I can tell you the 959 hauled some serious ass. Now if I could just find the money to get one... ;) |
| 00:22.49 | Angelo- | brosio: yes |
| 00:23.05 | dvs | shingouz: I'd prefer a Cheyenne |
| 00:23.05 | atrus | _terr: unplug everything on ide completely, unplug everything except the video cpu and one stick of ram. start adding parts from there :) |
| 00:23.05 | brosio | k thx |
| 00:23.12 | jetdotnet | Angelo-: not sure, wife got the stuff.. i doubt it though. |
| 00:23.21 | shingouz | dvs: But but but.. that is a Chevy? |
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| 00:23.35 | ulix-nxvl | hi, how can i do to make that some script runs at boot? |
| 00:23.41 | ulix-nxvl | i have cp it to rc2.d but it isn't wrking |
| 00:23.45 | jetdotnet | gm used to own for the ride, not sure now |
| 00:23.47 | ulix-nxvl | working* |
| 00:23.49 | dvs | shingouz: Nah. It's a flashy toy |
| 00:23.59 | fpiat | Angelo-: how is pam-mysql going ? |
| 00:24.40 | shingouz | ulix-nxvl: /etc/init.d/skeleton I think it was. And read up on the rc directories before you do anything with them. man rc.d-update |
| 00:24.44 | Pepina | ulix-nxvl, /msg dpkg startup |
| 00:24.50 | shingouz | dvs: Riceburner? |
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| 00:25.18 | dvs | shingouz: They say it's the world's fastest SUV. |
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| 00:25.49 | Kal_El | nickserv identify 88565a |
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| 00:25.57 | Ashly | I have some invalid characters in my /var/lib/dpkg/avalible file, where can I pick up a fixed copy for testing? |
| 00:26.02 | adjacent | hahaha |
| 00:26.10 | shingouz | dvs: Sounds good. I kinda liked the Ramcharger I used to have years back. 440 with four dual Webers, 727 auto and 33-inchers ;) |
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| 00:26.30 | dvs | shingouz: ouch! |
| 00:26.56 | karsten | Ashly: /var/lib/dpkg/available-old |
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| 00:27.02 | shingouz | dvs: Yup. I had it dynoed and got way past 500 horses out of it and the torque was awesome |
| 00:27.14 | karsten | Ashly: ...or apt-get update |
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| 00:27.28 | _terr | I just checked the manuals for the FIV VA 503+ MB. I have PDF versions.... there is no documentation on the bios falure modes - does anyonw know where they are for the AwARD BIOS? |
| 00:27.42 | Ashly | Karsten, both still return a avalabile with Invalid characters |
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| 00:28.09 | karsten | Ashly: Doublecheck your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:28.24 | karsten | Ashly: ...or move the files and retry. |
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| 00:28.55 | Ashly | k |
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| 00:29.22 | furrywolf | since everyone always complains I don't have enough usb devices.... |
| 00:29.31 | furrywolf | Bus 002 Device 013: ID 059b:0050 Iomega Corp. Zip CD 650 Writer |
| 00:29.32 | furrywolf | Bus 002 Device 012: ID 066b:2203 Linksys, Inc. USB100TX Ethernet [pegasus] |
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| 00:30.02 | ulix-nxvl | shingouz: but it is an iptables rules script |
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| 00:30.47 | matt__ | can anyone tell me the modules I need loaded in debian (kernal 2.6) to have USB mouse support? I have been having an uusally fruitless time searching on google for this information.. |
| 00:31.13 | juan | mathieu_: hid + your usb bus driver |
| 00:31.28 | shingouz | !tell ulix-nxvl about iptables |
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| 00:31.44 | shingouz | matt__: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 00:31.56 | shingouz | matt__: kern*E*l |
| 00:32.19 | dvs | matt__: How about usbmouse? |
| 00:32.20 | jaro | oh. I've forgotten the nickname of my savior (nvidia problem) :-) The minute i supposed to spend on that problem was a little longer, because I had to resolve problems with multiple versions installed in the same time. Made some "pruning" and module reloading and it works again. Thanks a lot. |
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| 00:33.05 | furrywolf | which now brings it to four usb printers, four usb hubs, usb mouse, usb microscope, usb audio gizmo, three usb graphics tablets, usb scanner, usb flash card reader, two plugs for my usb digicam (one on each table), and now a usb ethernet card and a usb cd-rw. :) |
| 00:33.13 | jaro | "in the same time" is probably grammaticaly wrong. How am I supposed to say it correctly? |
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| 00:33.26 | Solet | how extensive are the interactive capabilities of bash script? |
| 00:33.26 | Ashly | Doesnt give me a new one karsten |
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| 00:34.12 | shingouz | Solet: Very |
| 00:34.14 | caphuso | you have read and echo |
| 00:34.31 | drasko | hi all. I have problem with gtk and anjuta: 'gtk-config: no such file or directory' cc1: error: unrecognized option `-flibs' |
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| 00:35.02 | Curti1 | hi |
| 00:35.31 | Solet | shingouz: do you know of any really good sites or books for learning bash script? |
| 00:35.58 | docgnome | Does anyone know of a good kismet tutorial? |
| 00:36.00 | shingouz | Solet: There is one, http://www.google.com that I know of ;) |
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| 00:36.23 | shingouz | docgnome: www.kismetwireless.net and #kismet after you have done the manual |
| 00:36.24 | Solet | and please dont say google... i'm just asking becasue if you've come across an excelent site i would rather use that than a few crappy ones i'd hit on google... |
| 00:36.41 | shingouz | Solet: Sorry, I haven't really |
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| 00:36.45 | Solet | k |
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| 00:37.37 | liable | Solet: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html |
| 00:38.05 | curti1 | I need some help about a problem with my local network & my share.... |
| 00:38.22 | shingouz | !tell curti1 about ask |
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| 00:38.34 | Solet | liable: thx |
| 00:38.54 | will | guyz i have a seirous problem, i cant aptget update or upgrade i get this problem: could not open /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (couldt not open) |
| 00:38.56 | furrywolf | good news is I still have a spare 4-port usb hub, so I won't run out of usb ports too soon. :) |
| 00:39.02 | Solet | hey, i heard that they've started freezing sarge... is this true? |
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| 00:39.27 | dvs | Solet: wake up ;-) |
| 00:39.41 | snooo | oh |
| 00:39.44 | snooo | whilst im here |
| 00:39.50 | jetdotnet | google is your god |
| 00:39.55 | jetdotnet | !worship google |
| 00:40.21 | snooo | whenever i try to use aptitude to remove/add a package, it insists that i remove half of my system |
| 00:40.22 | jetdotnet | will as root? |
| 00:40.25 | snooo | anyway i can fix that? |
| 00:40.30 | jetdotnet | craptitude |
| 00:40.34 | dvs | snooo: Don't use aptitude |
| 00:40.39 | will | yeah dpkg is bugged or something |
| 00:40.41 | will | in unstable |
| 00:40.43 | jetdotnet | snooo: besides, it's a feature not a bug |
| 00:40.46 | snooo | muhuh |
| 00:40.53 | fosco | anyone with an rs/6000 here? :\ |
| 00:40.59 | shingouz | snooo: And that package may be very inportant too, depends on what you are trying to remove |
| 00:41.02 | jetdotnet | snooo: dselect |
| 00:41.02 | fpiat | Solet: reviewing /etc/init.d/* /etc/cron.d/* /etc/bash_completion is really a good start, man bash and man dash is good usefull too. |
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| 00:41.08 | drasko | hi all. I have problem with gtk and anjuta: 'gtk-config: no such file or directory' cc1: error: unrecognized option `-flibs' |
| 00:41.11 | shingouz | snooo: apt-get :) |
| 00:41.14 | snooo | i think i may have probs with dselect too |
| 00:41.21 | jetdotnet | dselect > *.* |
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| 00:41.32 | snooo | which seems to want to do the same thing |
| 00:41.36 | snooo | but not as drastic |
| 00:41.37 | jetdotnet | snooo: then it's supposed to do that |
| 00:41.45 | shingouz | snooo: What package you trying to remove? |
| 00:41.56 | snooo | nothing in particular, usually im trying to install stuff |
| 00:41.58 | dvs | x-window-system-core |
| 00:42.07 | will | can anyone email me theyre /var/lib/dpkg/status file |
| 00:42.09 | jetdotnet | death to gui |
| 00:42.21 | jetdotnet | (this from a guy in windows atm) |
| 00:42.28 | will | gui is wicked, kdevelop > all |
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| 00:43.28 | shingouz | Excellent Solet :D |
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| 00:43.32 | Solet | but i dont know bash... :/ |
| 00:43.44 | shingouz | You'll learn once you start using it |
| 00:43.46 | snooo | yup |
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| 00:44.02 | snooo | dselect is insisting that i remove alsa-base, as it conflicts with hotplug |
| 00:44.11 | snooo | yet i never get the same thing from apt-get or synaptic |
| 00:44.24 | Solet | yeah... i learned the mirc/perl language in 2 weeks.... and all scripts have the same basic structure... |
| 00:44.27 | dvs | snooo: that ain't right |
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| 00:44.42 | snooo | dvs: i didnt think so :-D |
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| 00:45.36 | snooo | is there any way to fix it? i think it may have come from something i deselected by mistake but pressed enter on |
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| 00:45.42 | snooo | so it stuck, or something |
| 00:46.59 | curti1 | a try to connect 2 debian with a router. The first pc is going from a 10.2.203.0 netwotk and second from 192.168.0.0... I tried link each other through a router. althrough we can ping the other it's still impossible to access its share. |
| 00:47.15 | jetdotnet | snooo: actually, having alsa-base is a signal to hotplug not to load any oss modules, so no idea unless it's a version mismatch or something |
| 00:47.17 | shingouz | snooo: I am not sure if this is really the truth bu I have noticed that it is easier to keep the system healthy if I use only one system to install/rtemove packages. apt-get is my poison |
| 00:47.24 | rectum | visceral bleeding |
| 00:47.57 | liable | rectum: see a doctor :) |
| 00:48.07 | Lee_1 | My laptop has a synaptics touchpad. Currently, with the 2.6 kernel and X the resolution totally sucks. Where do I find good drivers for it? |
| 00:48.20 | shingouz | curti1: Do not msg me, keep the questions in the channel |
| 00:48.23 | jaro | How can I pass some of the environment values to the xserver? Maybe this quiestion is not semantically correct so I'll try to explain, what I want to accomplish. When I set LC_CTYPE to my native language "cs_CZ", I can type some special characters. Without that modification I can't. I have a little hack in my .bashrc which sets this. So whenever I run any application from the command line, it works well. However my window manager (KDE) doesn't seem to use this |
| 00:48.28 | jaro | , because I can't type some of the desired characters. So the quiestion is - how to force wm to use specified LC_CTYPE? |
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| 00:48.42 | caphuso | Lee_1: xfree86-driver-synaptics package |
| 00:48.50 | Lee_1 | woah, word :) |
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| 00:49.22 | snooo | shingouz: well thats what i've been forced into doing... now i can use apt-cache i might just stick with the command line tools, cus the ncurses stuff seems to behave wacky |
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| 00:49.40 | shingouz | snooo: :) |
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| 00:50.39 | snooo | does anyone have a fave ipoding client for debian btw? |
| 00:50.50 | snooo | as ipodder refuses to work for some reason |
| 00:51.12 | Lee_1 | ipod is a verb now! ahhhh! |
| 00:51.19 | snooo | yeah |
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| 00:51.32 | snooo | scary |
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| 00:51.57 | karsten | Lee_1: What? Don't you iPod? |
| 00:51.59 | guestish | hi |
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| 00:52.13 | Lee_1 | arghhhh! |
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| 00:52.16 | Pepina | hi guestish |
| 00:52.19 | snooo | actually i mean podcast rather |
| 00:52.22 | shingouz | Lee_1: Didn't Userfirendly do a spoof on the i too... iDustpuppy was a bit iPissed about it I think |
| 00:52.22 | snooo | podcast client |
| 00:52.30 | snooo | no i |
| 00:53.02 | guestish | hrm,i think i have the wrong chan... |
| 00:53.03 | karsten | !tell snooo about search |
| 00:53.04 | Lee_1 | I've seen two opposite definitions of podcast. 1) to download an mp3 2) to upload an mp3 |
| 00:53.24 | guestish | i didnt know this was an ipod chan =P |
| 00:53.32 | Lee_1 | I'm happy with the words download and upload |
| 00:53.32 | karsten | Lee_1: It's the exchange, en toto. |
| 00:53.52 | Solet | cast by definition would be sending/propelling/putting so it would be upload (by definition) |
| 00:53.54 | guestish | podcast is an add on to an ipod that lets you broadcast music like a radio transmitter... |
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| 00:54.06 | snooo | Lee_1: its the downloading mp3s from rss feeds bit im interested in... really it has nothing to do with an iPod |
| 00:54.11 | karsten | Lee_1: There's one positive fallout of "podcasting". |
| 00:54.13 | guestish | you can pick it up on the radio even, heh |
| 00:54.19 | Lee_1 | wow, a podcast is an FM transmitter too!? cool/ |
| 00:54.33 | karsten | Lee_1: ...the realization by TROTW that RealPlayer is *KACK*. |
| 00:54.56 | Lee_1 | Can my FM radio do podcasting? |
| 00:55.04 | guestish | ... |
| 00:55.18 | karsten | guestish: Well, I've thought for years of a radio channel which continuously broadcasts free software. |
| 00:55.45 | guestish | karsten: how do you broadcast free software? you mean for downloading? |
| 00:55.46 | Lee_1 | how does one "broadcast free software"? |
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| 00:55.54 | darkcmd | ok... is gpg available on the US mirror... or non-us only? |
| 00:55.56 | snooo | there isn't a podcasting client in sarge |
| 00:55.59 | karsten | guestish: ...you'd tune to channel and grab the ones you want, off the eather. Not particularly good for "this is what I want, now", but pretty good from a "just trickle it in and scale massively". |
| 00:56.01 | snooo | :-/ |
| 00:56.04 | karsten | guestish: Yes. |
| 00:56.12 | Lee_1 | !tell snooo about search |
| 00:56.17 | karsten | snooo: I'm not finding any. |
| 00:56.23 | snooo | Lee_1: i've looked |
| 00:56.26 | Solet | karsten: my wifi network here is technically aradio broadcasting freesoftware... if you use the wifi to look at my 3rd hard drive :P |
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| 00:56.30 | guestish | i dont think data reception over radio is a standard computer feature... |
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| 00:56.34 | karsten | Lee_1: I already told him. apt-cache search podcast => (/) |
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| 00:57.17 | guestish | zero hits! |
| 00:57.24 | guestish | :) |
| 00:57.27 | snooo | bugger all |
| 00:57.29 | snooo | grr |
| 00:57.33 | karsten | guestish: It's not. But you'd have reasonable data rates, and as I said, really good scalability. |
| 00:57.33 | snooo | must be something... |
| 00:57.42 | guestish | snooo: you can only podcast from a pod |
| 00:57.52 | guestish | it doesnt take a genius to figure that out |
| 00:57.59 | karsten | snooo: Try a more general term. There's *tons* of generic d/l software. |
| 00:58.06 | jetdotnet | wget |
| 00:58.10 | Lee_1 | snooo: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 00:58.16 | snooo | yes |
| 00:58.18 | snooo | :-P |
| 00:58.22 | snooo | i am now |
| 00:58.28 | snooo | before you sent that |
| 00:58.37 | guestish | karsten: yeah...but you'd have to buy a broadcast license |
| 00:58.47 | Lee_1 | guestish: or not... |
| 00:58.52 | Solet | oh oh easter egg... snooo: what are you looking for? |
| 00:58.57 | Filosofem | Hey, is there, somewhere, a file containing the options included in the default kernels, that I could load with "make xconfig"? |
| 00:59.05 | snooo | solet: podcast aggregator |
| 00:59.09 | snooo | thingy |
| 00:59.09 | Filosofem | And just modify. |
| 00:59.10 | rectum | filosofem |
| 00:59.17 | Lee_1 | Filosofem: isn't that in the kernel source .deb? |
| 00:59.17 | rectum | that was the name of Burzum's album |
| 00:59.22 | karsten | guestish: ...and a transmitter. |
| 00:59.24 | rectum | the father of all that is black metal |
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| 00:59.30 | rectum | norwegian for philosophy |
| 00:59.35 | Splur | hi. can someone recommend a good linux compatible tv-card so I can attach a camcorder and do realtime processing ala EfecTV? |
| 00:59.38 | guestish | karsten: yeah... |
| 00:59.41 | karsten | guestish: Again, in the right place, it might make sense. Yes, there are clearly details, and devils in 'me. |
| 00:59.45 | karsten | s/'me/'em/ |
| 00:59.55 | Filosofem | No! The options. Like, in the Vanilla kernel, there's IDE support, Frame Buffer, etc. |
| 01:00.00 | guestish | karsten: would be great for rural areas |
| 01:00.12 | karsten | Splur: Google for Don Marti in conjunction w/ that. |
| 01:00.15 | Filosofem | Is there a file loadable by "make xconfig" that contains all that? |
| 01:00.15 | RedPenguin | Is there a way to change the ./configure options of a .deb? Because for some reason libapache2-mod-php4 seems to be compiled with --without-mysql |
| 01:00.24 | karsten | guestish: Actually, I was thinking urban. Higher user density ;-) |
| 01:00.29 | Lee_1 | Splur: anything with a bt878 chip |
| 01:00.38 | Filosofem | That would greatly simplify the job. |
| 01:00.40 | guestish | karsten: yeah, but urban usually has cheap high speed internet |
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| 01:00.51 | liable | snooo: http://linc.homeunix.org:8080/scripts/bashpodder/ ??? |
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| 01:01.03 | guestish | karsten: plus tons of other crap interfering w/ the signal |
| 01:01.05 | Solet | http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=podcast+aggregator |
| 01:01.05 | karsten | guestish: Think bigger. |
| 01:01.14 | guestish | karsten: bigger? |
| 01:01.17 | karsten | guestish: How are you going to upgrade firmware in your toaster. |
| 01:01.18 | Lee_1 | Filosofem: make oldconfig? |
| 01:01.20 | Solet | sry bit delayed had to answer the phone :P |
| 01:01.23 | snooo | liable: its shit |
| 01:01.23 | guestish | karsten: lol, nice |
| 01:01.33 | liable | snooo: bah |
| 01:01.34 | caphuso | RedPenguin: apt-cache show php4-mysql |
| 01:01.35 | karsten | guestish: Appliance updates. Appliances which aren't wired, but *are* computerized. Etc. |
| 01:01.35 | guestish | karsten: i guess netbsd would have to change their slogan |
| 01:01.41 | karsten | guestish: ? |
| 01:01.47 | snooo | liable: not so much a client as a script |
| 01:01.52 | karsten | guestish: Secure by default, toasts in 3 minutes? |
| 01:02.02 | karsten | guestish: Wait, no, Open... |
| 01:02.08 | Filosofem | Lee_1: Hum, I don't know. I actually use the "compact" kernel. Do you think it would take its options? |
| 01:02.16 | karsten | guestish: "Of *course* it toasts NetBSD" |
| 01:02.31 | Solet | i over clocked my toaster once... pugged into a 440 instead of 220v :P jk.... *giggles* |
| 01:02.33 | guestish | karsten: wait, nvm, netbsd already runs on toasters ;) |
| 01:02.40 | shingouz | !tell Filosofem about real kernel |
| 01:02.50 | guestish | netbsd would run on the friggin kitchen sink |
| 01:02.51 | karsten | guestish: Yes. Of course it does. |
| 01:02.52 | guestish | =P |
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| 01:02.55 | guestish | ;) |
| 01:03.00 | karsten | guestish: ...the little devils provide the heat. |
| 01:03.56 | guestish | karsten: http://nin.co-i60.com/Forums/stuff/netbsd.jpg ;) |
| 01:04.14 | Solet | do you think linus torvalds would ground his daughter if he found out she went over to a friends house and was using a microsoft os on her friends computer? |
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| 01:04.32 | shingouz | Solet: Probably ;) |
| 01:04.35 | guestish | Solet: probably not |
| 01:04.35 | Pepina | Solet, yes :º |
| 01:04.39 | guestish | Solet: hes supposedly laid back |
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| 01:04.52 | karsten | guestish: ;-) |
| 01:04.55 | caphuso | he doesn't appear to be a childish moron |
| 01:05.03 | caphuso | so no, he wouldn't |
| 01:05.05 | guestish | i mean he does live in california after all, we're all laid back here :) |
| 01:05.09 | snooo | here's another stupid question |
| 01:05.12 | karsten | guestish: Oregon. |
| 01:05.14 | guestish | or is it oregon... |
| 01:05.17 | guestish | yeah, close enough :) |
| 01:05.18 | Solet | he created linux early 90's... and she was like 3 when he moved to america... |
| 01:05.25 | Solet | right? |
| 01:05.26 | snooo | if i upgrade to sid, thing will still work ok? |
| 01:05.26 | furrywolf | linus doesn't appear to be a childish moron? even after some of the quotes he spouted during the bitkeeper thing? :P |
| 01:05.35 | guestish | snooo: probably not |
| 01:05.37 | shingouz | snooo: Don't |
| 01:05.41 | karsten | There's a "Linus 2.0" release anouncement somewhere. |
| 01:05.54 | snooo | shingouz: really? |
| 01:05.54 | guestish | karsten: linus 2.0? hes been upgraded? |
| 01:06.05 | shingouz | snooo: Yes. Don't |
| 01:06.05 | Solet | rofl |
| 01:06.06 | guestish | karsten: sweet, i wonder what nationality he is this time |
| 01:06.08 | karsten | 1996. Oldest daughter's 9. |
| 01:06.12 | snooo | shingouz: why? |
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| 01:06.40 | docgnome | How do I change my what GUI I get when I type startx? |
| 01:06.49 | snooo | the bitkeeper thing was fucking messy |
| 01:06.57 | guestish | docgnome: startx pathnametowmstarter |
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| 01:07.13 | drac | docgnome: make an file called .xinitrc to your home directory, that includes e.g. 'exec /usr/bin/gnome-session' |
| 01:07.15 | karsten | !default wm |
| 01:07.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, default wm is to change the default window manager, do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager (man update-alternatives) |
| 01:07.24 | snooo | shingouz: just asked dpkg. wont :-D |
| 01:07.37 | karsten | guestish: Linus 2.0 Release Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/czaua |
| 01:07.42 | shingouz | snooo: If you really have to ask if you should move to Sid, you are more than probably not ready for Sid |
| 01:07.56 | shingouz | snooo: :) |
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| 01:08.04 | snooo | shingouz: okies |
| 01:08.53 | guestish | karsten: definitely shorter than the original :) |
| 01:09.32 | karsten | guestish: Yeah. |
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| 01:09.41 | karsten | The original page is 404. |
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| 01:11.36 | guestish | them krazy linuses... |
| 01:12.35 | Solet | rofl @ pink hat |
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| 01:13.26 | Solet | hehe suse linux can change to seuss |
| 01:13.51 | karsten | guestish: Another article that showed up, Linux circa 1997: http://linux.nuvoli.to.it/varie/linux1.html |
| 01:13.59 | guestish | http://liw.iki.fi/liw/texts/flow.en <--- lol... |
| 01:14.06 | anto9us | what's the best way to go about moving /home to an old /home on a different partition? |
| 01:14.10 | shingouz | Solet: So what you are saying is that they just have to add a hat for Geeko? ;) |
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| 01:14.27 | Burni | hello? |
| 01:14.42 | karsten | !tell Burni about ask |
| 01:14.49 | Burni | oh hi |
| 01:14.58 | Burni | do you speake german? |
| 01:14.59 | Solet | shingouz: no it was in the tiny url linux 2.0 page... cause linus2.0 (his daughter) is a girl it would change red hat to pink hat... (he was being funny) |
| 01:15.04 | karsten | !de |
| 01:15.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 01:15.07 | guestish | anto9us: um, mv? |
| 01:15.08 | Solet | i decided to make the dr. seuss joke too :P |
| 01:15.12 | shingouz | Solet: I see :) |
| 01:15.38 | guestish | anto9us: i just have my /home mounted on a diff partition |
| 01:15.38 | Burni | !de |
| 01:15.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 01:16.05 | karsten | Burni: ...aber, ja, nur ein Bisschen. |
| 01:16.07 | Burni | Why doesn't my Debian start kDE? |
| 01:16.18 | guestish | Burni: you dont want to ask questions like that |
| 01:16.18 | Burni | :-) |
| 01:16.20 | karsten | !tell Burni about smart questions |
| 01:16.24 | guestish | !smart questions |
| 01:16.25 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
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| 01:16.29 | Solet | burni: cause it has good taste :) |
| 01:16.35 | Burni | ^^ |
| 01:16.36 | Burni | well |
| 01:16.40 | guestish | karsten: i believe that factoid is approperate for the channel :) |
| 01:16.42 | Burni | how can i start kde? |
| 01:16.49 | guestish | Burni: startkde |
| 01:17.08 | karsten | !tell Burni about default wm |
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| 01:17.16 | Burni | shall i write it down in this "before kde starting"? |
| 01:17.20 | karsten | Burni: You probably want kdm installed. |
| 01:17.26 | karsten | Burni: ?? |
| 01:17.26 | Burni | omg |
| 01:17.28 | guestish | !bum |
| 01:17.28 | dpkg | hmm... bum is Turkish word. |
| 01:17.38 | Burni | how shall i install kde? |
| 01:17.46 | Solet | apt-get install kde |
| 01:17.47 | karsten | Burni: man apt-get |
| 01:17.47 | guestish | Solet: aye laddy, and they are all answered in the FAQ! |
| 01:17.53 | guestish | Solet: krazy world ain't it |
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| 01:18.14 | Solet | i know... i mean damn you'd think the internet was a place of information... holy shit... |
| 01:18.18 | guestish | na |
| 01:18.24 | guestish | thats never been right |
| 01:18.34 | guestish | its a pron stash filled with spyware and advertisements ;) |
| 01:18.37 | sussudio | new doctor who episode obsoleted my "be dalek barbie" factoid :-| |
| 01:19.04 | snooo | !smart questions |
| 01:19.04 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 01:19.09 | Solet | guestish: dont confuse the internet with your windows machine |
| 01:19.17 | Burni | ^now there is lots of text |
| 01:19.19 | karsten | snooo: /msg bots, don't flood channel |
| 01:19.25 | snooo | kay |
| 01:19.29 | guestish | Solet: you've never been on the web before have you |
| 01:19.34 | karsten | snooo: That's been posted here in the past few minutes. |
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| 01:19.45 | snooo | yup, sorry |
| 01:19.48 | Burni | now there is lots of text... help O_o |
| 01:19.49 | Solet | guestish: i never get off :) |
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| 01:20.11 | guestish | Solet: well then find a good woman/man depending on who you are =P |
| 01:20.18 | guestish | =D |
| 01:20.28 | Solet | i got 2 ex girlfriends i mess around with :) |
| 01:20.37 | Solet | but one is at work atm and the other is on the rag :( |
| 01:20.45 | guestish | ... |
| 01:20.47 | eskaypey | whats a command for configuring xf86? |
| 01:20.53 | guestish | puns my friend...puns... |
| 01:21.00 | guestish | and double entrendres |
| 01:21.05 | guestish | if i could spell... |
| 01:21.08 | Solet | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i think |
| 01:21.20 | guestish | xf86config |
| 01:21.22 | guestish | ... |
| 01:21.25 | guestish | its not that hard... |
| 01:21.30 | karsten | Burni: You should read this. It's also available in German (2nd link): http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.de.html |
| 01:21.46 | Solet | guestish: but if he's gotta ask he'd better use the 'wizard' thing |
| 01:21.53 | guestish | that IS a wizard |
| 01:22.00 | karsten | Solet: Get the first one to pay for your laundry w/ the second one. |
| 01:22.12 | eskaypey | Solet: thats the one! thanx |
| 01:22.14 | snooo | tis easier to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 tho |
| 01:22.16 | Solet | karsten: that just wrong.... |
| 01:22.20 | karsten | guestish: xf86config is b0rken. |
| 01:22.22 | Solet | omfg |
| 01:22.24 | karsten | Solet: ;-) |
| 01:22.26 | guestish | karsten: says who? |
| 01:22.37 | karsten | guestish: Me. dpkg-reconfigure is markedly superior. |
| 01:22.42 | Solet | did everyone see that? i answered a question.. .and remembered the whole thing right... |
| 01:22.50 | guestish | doesnt mean xf86config is broken =P |
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| 01:23.09 | snooo | xf86config is alright if you have the monitor refresh rates, or whatever they are, to hand |
| 01:23.12 | pragma_ | Solet, See what? What question? |
| 01:23.24 | Solet | @lart pragma_ |
| 01:23.36 | Solet | not that kind of special visit |
| 01:23.42 | Solet | dude thats a fucked up vet |
| 01:23.54 | karsten | Solet: Rectal thermometer. |
| 01:23.55 | rectum | artificial insemination |
| 01:23.56 | guestish | snooo: you need that regardless |
| 01:24.08 | rectum | taking the cum out manually |
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| 01:24.31 | darkcmd | hello debian-san |
| 01:24.36 | guestish | rectum: this is supposedly a pg-13 channel =P |
| 01:24.36 | Solet | ok ground rules of life: some one with the handle 'rectum' should never say 'artificial insemination' |
| 01:24.41 | rectum | hey man |
| 01:24.47 | debian-san | darkcmd: Hi! |
| 01:24.49 | rectum | 13 years old ejaculate |
| 01:24.50 | rectum | :/ |
| 01:24.55 | karsten | Solet: Point of order: it probably *is* artificial. |
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| 01:24.59 | darkcmd | rectum, please leave.... you sicken me |
| 01:25.06 | rectum | nah |
| 01:25.08 | rectum | i think i'll stay |
| 01:25.08 | darkcmd | debian-san, how are you doing? |
| 01:25.12 | rectum | you have /ignore |
| 01:25.13 | rectum | make use of it |
| 01:25.15 | snooo | urgh, children in the room |
| 01:25.15 | karsten | rectum: We expect them not to discuss it in open company, as a general rule. |
| 01:25.16 | guestish | !srt rectum |
| 01:25.22 | rectum | :D |
| 01:25.29 | guestish | k, now shaddup! |
| 01:25.31 | guestish | ;) |
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| 01:25.44 | pragma_ | Ew. |
| 01:25.44 | rectum | i'll have to open up soon though |
| 01:25.46 | rectum | i just ate |
| 01:25.51 | pragma_ | dpkg went into the shower with vaseline and his rectum? |
| 01:26.03 | karsten | Children, please. |
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| 01:26.22 | Solet | pragma_: do you want to join the party and bring your veterinary technition freind or something? |
| 01:26.41 | guestish | !saturday |
| 01:26.42 | dpkg | i guess saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 01:26.46 | karsten | Solet: Enough. |
| 01:26.46 | debian-san | I'm looking for a text-based rss client on Debian. Suggestions? |
| 01:26.50 | guestish | ah yes, the wisdom of dpkg... |
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| 01:27.05 | karsten | !tell debian-san about search |
| 01:27.06 | root_sandzak | hi |
| 01:27.12 | Solet | i'll go do something else for a while so i can forget about all the 'fun' things i have to say :) |
| 01:27.17 | karsten | debian-san: I found a couple. Wasn't thrilled w/ them... |
| 01:27.30 | root_sandzak | i have problem with kylix 3.0 on debian sarge |
| 01:27.39 | root_sandzak | programs freezing |
| 01:27.49 | karsten | debian-san: raggle, rawdog, snownews. IIRC it was rawdog or raggle that I tried. |
| 01:28.05 | karsten | !tell root_sandzak about smart questions. |
| 01:28.16 | karsten | root_sandzak: Suggest you run it under strace. |
| 01:28.24 | karsten | !tell root_sandzak about strace |
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| 01:29.18 | karsten | !sing sussudio |
| 01:30.08 | xoz | ac |
| 01:30.09 | debian-san | karim: Thanks, I will take a look. |
| 01:30.38 | debian-san | karsten: Oops, wrong nick... Thanks, I will take a look. |
| 01:30.58 | karsten | debian-san: I figured ;-) |
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| 01:34.33 | snooo | i now have a working podcasting app, yeh |
| 01:34.43 | karsten | snooo: Which? |
| 01:34.43 | snooo | well done me |
| 01:34.51 | snooo | karsten: a varient of bashpodder |
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| 01:35.26 | karsten | dpkg: podcasting is a horrid maketing term for "downloading", but maybe bashpodder is what you seek. |
| 01:35.26 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 01:35.33 | karsten | snooo: Thanks. |
| 01:35.53 | snooo | karsten: i'd argue with your definition there |
| 01:36.06 | karsten | snooo: Talk to the hand^Wbot. |
| 01:36.27 | karsten | snooo: dpkg: podcasting is also ... |
| 01:36.27 | snooo | karsten: there's a load of bullshit marketing crap around it, but a load of broadcasters are using it now and taking it seriously |
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| 01:39.19 | karsten | snooo: The concept's cool. The hype is annoying. |
| 01:39.34 | karsten | snooo: "we're making our audio content available for d/l and redistribution". |
| 01:39.46 | karsten | snooo: No need to tie it to proprietery (if cool) HW. It's not. |
| 01:40.08 | karsten | snooo: ...or make it sound like this is the first time the idea occured to anyone (it's not). |
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| 01:41.09 | snooo | dpkg: podcasting is a way to 1) listen to stupid giggling twats try to make "radio" or 2) an RSS feed that includes enclosures - links to mp3 files - that allows you to listen to your favourite radio show on an mp3 device or a computer. See: http://ipodder.sourceforge.net, http://www.ipodder.com, http://linc.homeunix.org:8080/scripts/bashpodder/, http://www.podcastalley.com |
| 01:41.10 | dpkg | ...but podcasting is already something else... |
| 01:41.33 | Kempston | is there any debian pachake for imq driver ? |
| 01:41.38 | snooo | dpkg: podcasting is also a way to 1) listen to stupid giggling twats try to make "radio" or 2) an RSS feed that includes enclosures - links to mp3 files - that allows you to listen to your favourite radio show on an mp3 device or a computer. See: http://ipodder.sourceforge.net, http://www.ipodder.com, http://linc.homeunix.org:8080/scripts/bashpodder/, http://www.podcastalley.com |
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| 01:41.38 | dpkg | okay, snooo |
| 01:41.44 | Kempston | package |
| 01:42.03 | snooo | karsten: i'd agree with you, but apple never really had anything to do with the concept in the first place |
| 01:42.17 | snooo | karsten: and no one had done anything constructive with the idea before, not really |
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| 01:42.38 | snooo | karsten: there's a lot of crap out there tho, including some of the pioneer shows who are just a bunch of smug fools |
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| 01:42.54 | snooo | karsten: but the BBC and NPR are taking it seriously and putting out some of their best content with the system |
| 01:43.05 | snooo | karsten: so i'm interested again :) |
| 01:43.40 | snooo | karsten: some of the software is fucking awful as well... |
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| 01:44.27 | FieldySnuts | !start an audio codec war |
| 01:44.27 | dpkg | Xing sounds like shit! |
| 01:44.37 | FieldySnuts | whatever that is |
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| 01:46.05 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a shell war |
| 01:46.05 | ravenbird | ash owns psh |
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| 01:47.23 | shingouz | I feel like I am looking at a screenshot as everthing is so quiet |
| 01:47.29 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 01:47.39 | shingouz | pong? ;) |
| 01:47.45 | FieldySnuts | it's okay, the Wrath of Sunday will come soon enough |
| 01:47.57 | tech13 | i have 2.4GB (digital photos) of info i would like to burn to CD (800MB) and still have it readable without unpacking/unzipping. any suggestions? |
| 01:48.06 | shingouz | True, so very true. Maybe we should go stock up on Tylenol too |
| 01:48.21 | darkcmd | whoa you can make debconf use GTK2 :D |
| 01:48.28 | shingouz | tech13: Two cd's |
| 01:48.52 | FieldySnuts | 3 |
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| 01:49.02 | shingouz | hm. yea |
| 01:49.09 | tech13 | shingouz: is there a script to split up the files automagicly or do i just have to copy them into a folder till i have the right size? |
| 01:49.45 | eskaypey | hey how do you mount usb key? i tryed mount /dev/sda and sda1 it says cant find it |
| 01:50.04 | dvs | esk, try /dev/sda1 |
| 01:50.10 | shingouz | tech13: I am not sure if there is a script to do it but you could write one up of course. I'd just try to copy them manually, not too much work I guess |
| 01:50.32 | eskaypey | dvs: i did, it says cant find it |
| 01:50.51 | eskaypey | what is a command where it says what it mount it as |
| 01:50.52 | drac | eskaypey: modprobe usb_storage |
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| 01:51.05 | liable | eskaypey: sdb1 |
| 01:51.09 | dvs | eskaypey, Try "modprobe scsi_mod" |
| 01:51.18 | drac | dvs: sd_mod |
| 01:51.22 | liable | eskaypey: look at dmesg |
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| 01:51.31 | dvs | drac, yeah, that ;-) |
| 01:51.51 | darkcmd | ok I have a question.. say I'm using apt getting a package.. and I have debconf set to use the gnome frontend... if X is not running will it fall back to the ncurses layout |
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| 01:52.33 | caphuso | darkcmd: try it yourself... DISPLAY= dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 01:53.28 | darkcmd | so |
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| 01:53.35 | darkcmd | GNOME= dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 01:53.40 | darkcmd | or |
| 01:53.46 | darkcmd | ncurses= dpkg-reconfigure foo ? |
| 01:53.52 | caphuso | darkcmd: no. DISPLAY= dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 01:54.03 | darkcmd | ok |
| 01:55.01 | darkcmd | debconfig defaults to ncurses by default correct |
| 01:55.05 | darkcmd | debconf |
| 01:55.17 | eskaypey | mount /dev/sda /mnt/key |
| 01:55.25 | eskaypey | you must specify file system type |
| 01:55.25 | eskaypey | ?? |
| 01:55.34 | dvs | eskaypey, no, "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/key" |
| 01:55.40 | shingouz | eskaypey: Usually yes. man mount |
| 01:55.47 | liable | eskaypey: -t vfat |
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| 01:56.17 | hogballs | hi |
| 01:56.43 | hogballs | anyone knwo the minimum memory and processor requirements for debian with gui? |
| 01:56.52 | eskaypey | liable: thats the one |
| 01:57.04 | hogballs | knoppix is still probing for devices and its been over 10 minutes lol |
| 01:57.06 | dvs | hogballs, Depends which gui |
| 01:57.25 | hogballs | it dont matter either kde or gnome |
| 01:57.40 | snooo | i'm running xfce + gnome on a 280Mhz PPC with 96 Meg of RAM kinda happily |
| 01:57.42 | FieldySnuts | both are serious memory hogs |
| 01:57.57 | snooo | tho it attacks the swap, erm, all the time |
| 01:58.25 | hogballs | my specs are 128 meg ram with 333 celeron processor and 30g hdd |
| 01:58.36 | hogballs | all i want it to do is play my dvd movies from the dvd player |
| 01:58.59 | FieldySnuts | not even sure such a machine can play dvd's very well without hardware accel |
| 01:59.13 | dvs | hogballs, I've heard xfce is nice |
| 01:59.18 | eskaypey | ive got 233 , 256RAM and running sarge with flux.. sweet like a candy |
| 01:59.29 | snooo | dvs: it is... |
| 01:59.38 | snooo | dvs: getting better all the time |
| 01:59.57 | snooo | when they have the file manager finished it be the nice thing |
| 02:00.00 | dvs | snooo, So it's getting bloated? ;-) |
| 02:00.06 | snooo | lol |
| 02:00.12 | liable | hogballs: you've got plenty of hdd, try a few different ones, see what you like |
| 02:00.13 | snooo | no its still pretty slim |
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| 02:00.29 | hogballs | sorry im using nvidia gforce 2 mx 16m ram |
| 02:00.31 | hogballs | agp |
| 02:00.37 | eskaypey | file manager for flux? |
| 02:00.48 | snooo | it becomes a hog if you load up gnome/kde service, but it would... |
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| 02:01.10 | Catalina | eskaypey, rox ? gentoo ? krusader ? |
| 02:01.35 | eskaypey | all file managers? ok |
| 02:01.40 | Catalina | yeah |
| 02:02.02 | hogballs | so your saying that the litest gui is this xfce/? |
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| 02:02.16 | snooo | its not the lightest |
| 02:02.21 | dvs | hogballs, It's not the lightest but it's a good balance |
| 02:02.37 | snooo | but its functional and not as much as a resource monster as gnome/kde |
| 02:02.43 | hogballs | well knoppix is still playing with that 128 with no hard drive installed. |
| 02:02.54 | hogballs | its been over 15 minutes now and still not getting to far |
| 02:03.14 | snooo | you only have 128 meg? |
| 02:03.15 | FieldySnuts | !not supporting knoppix |
| 02:03.16 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support knoppix too. Try #knoppix or donating money to charity. |
| 02:03.48 | snooo | hogballs: no wonder its taking ages |
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| 02:04.22 | eskaypey | can you copy multiple files at ones with cp? |
| 02:04.23 | dvs | hogballs, Knoppix uses KDE, I think, so that's what you can expect with KDE. |
| 02:04.29 | dvs | eskaypey, yes |
| 02:04.34 | FieldySnuts | you can make it use other wm/de's |
| 02:04.56 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
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| 02:05.04 | eskaypey | how do you do that |
| 02:05.14 | drac | hmm, run window managers on rescuecd? |
| 02:05.14 | hogballs | i got more sticks but not enuf slots |
| 02:05.17 | drac | ;) |
| 02:05.39 | FieldySnuts | no clue, send knoppix questions to #knoppix |
| 02:05.51 | snooo | hogballs: well... you'd prolly be better off installing knoppix to hard disk... |
| 02:06.07 | liable | snooo: why |
| 02:06.08 | snooo | not that i have a clue |
| 02:06.14 | hogballs | id rather install debian net install if i install the hard drive. |
| 02:06.15 | dvs | or better yet, the new debian installer |
| 02:06.18 | drac | hogballs: You have to realize it's only a rescuecd |
| 02:06.19 | eskaypey | how do you copy multiple files with cp guys? |
| 02:06.42 | liable | drac: its not a rescue cd, its a live cd |
| 02:06.47 | snooo | liable: if hes running a livecd with 128 meg, its going to be deeply slow anyway, everythings unpacked into memory. |
| 02:06.49 | drac | whatever.. |
| 02:06.52 | Catalina | eskaypey, cp *.txt /some/where |
| 02:07.08 | hogballs | ya if i had like 256 in it it would boot faster than this.. its still thinking .ollol |
| 02:07.18 | liable | !whatever |
| 02:07.19 | dpkg | from memory, whatever is the last word of the loser of an argument |
| 02:07.31 | snooo | lol |
| 02:07.43 | hogballs | welp thank you al lfor the comments im outtie... ill figure something out. |
| 02:07.50 | drac | livecd equals rescuecd, IMO. |
| 02:07.53 | dvs | whatev... nevermind |
| 02:07.55 | eskaypey | Catalina: so its like cp [file1] [file2] [filen] /some/where? |
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| 02:08.31 | liable | drac: it is knoppix's best use, but you can get rescue cd's that are *way* smaller |
| 02:09.07 | Solet | is there a way i can see what the xscreensaver looks at to tell if the keyboard and mouse are idle... not just cat /dev/psaux or whatever but to accually see via the xscreensaver's daemon |
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| 02:10.20 | liable | drac: http://www.sysresccd.org/ nice, only ~100meg fits in ram |
| 02:11.27 | Solet | ubcd is the all time best |
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| 02:16.30 | PumpkinPie | someone use the 95th percentile patch on mrtg ? |
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| 02:20.38 | snooo | is there any setting in apt-get that will install *-dev packages by default? |
| 02:20.44 | steve_ | hello- does anyone know how to make the fonts in xwindows look better |
| 02:20.59 | simonrvn | no |
| 02:21.02 | steve_ | i just installed debian and the fonts dont look as nice as windows |
| 02:21.20 | snooo | ok |
| 02:21.20 | simonrvn | snooo: ^^ |
| 02:21.54 | davidcs1 | question: I have a laptop toshiba P20 with sarge kernel 2.6.8, everything works fine except ACPI. WHen I try to makr a suspend the laptop goes to suspend OK, BUTwhen I hit the power button to wake it up it just dies, it turns on but doesn't do anything, no video, nothing... any ideas? |
| 02:22.06 | simonrvn | snoke: however, you can run an auto-apt session that will install stuff as needed for a build - just run the build inside auto-apt |
| 02:22.13 | steve_ | hello- does anyone know how to make the fonts in xwindows look better |
| 02:22.15 | simonrvn | snoke: woop,s tab misfire |
| 02:22.18 | Guerin | !better |
| 02:22.18 | dpkg | hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 02:22.23 | simonrvn | snooo: however, you can run an auto-apt session that will install stuff as needed for a build - just run the build inside auto-apt |
| 02:22.30 | Guerin | steve_: my x windows fonts look fantastic out of the box |
| 02:22.32 | steve_ | i just installed debian and the fonts dont look as nice as windows |
| 02:22.42 | steve_ | mine dont |
| 02:22.44 | Guerin | steve_: what the fuck is that supposed to mean? |
| 02:23.04 | simonrvn | what windows? the ones in the walls? the ones on your screen? |
| 02:23.08 | snooo | snooo: that relies their being a source pkg tho, doesnt it? |
| 02:23.14 | snooo | my fonts are super lovely |
| 02:23.35 | daffy-pkf | hmmmm, i have a prblem with a shell script, i have this line in my script: "GREP_CMD=grep -e --color", and here is what it says when i run the script: "./net-check: line 4: -e: command not found" |
| 02:23.38 | Guerin | snooo: there arer source packages for everything in debian. Binary packages aren't maade from pixie dust. |
| 02:23.39 | davidcs1 | he's talking about cleartype |
| 02:23.40 | daffy-pkf | can someone help? |
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| 02:23.48 | Guerin | davidcs1: is he? |
| 02:24.07 | davidcs1 | its the only think he could possibly be talking about... |
| 02:24.26 | Guerin | davidcs1: GREP_CMD="grep -e --color" |
| 02:24.32 | snooo | Guerin: i know that. i'm just doing a manual compile, sometimes its annoying to have to dig out -dev packages... it dont matter tho |
| 02:24.43 | steve_ | my fonts are fuzzy |
| 02:24.45 | Guerin | snooo: auto-apt is for you |
| 02:25.06 | Guerin | steve_: apply some mousse or gel |
| 02:25.19 | snooo | Guerin: auto-apt is my friend :-D |
| 02:25.22 | steve_ | no - i mean my fonts are hard to read |
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| 02:25.58 | daffy-pkf | Guerin> thanks |
| 02:26.02 | davidcs1 | steve_: maybe your video card is not properly configured |
| 02:26.05 | snooo | Guerin: cheers |
| 02:26.18 | davidcs1 | QUESTION: I have a laptop toshiba P20 with sarge kernel 2.6.8, everything works fine except ACPI. WHen I try to makr a suspend the laptop goes to suspend OK, BUTwhen I hit the power button to wake it up it just dies, it turns on but doesn't do anything, no video, nothing... any ideas? |
| 02:26.24 | Guerin | steve_: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 02:26.59 | simonrvn | er, isn't it -E for extended regexp? |
| 02:27.05 | Guerin | he might have autohinter or something set when he doesn't really want it |
| 02:27.33 | Guerin | or maybe he's told xf86 he has an lcd when he has a crt, or something |
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| 02:27.35 | AjB | how might i make it so i dont have to type mount /dev/sda1 everytime i boot to access my usb hard drive? |
| 02:27.43 | Guerin | AjB: man fstab |
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| 02:28.08 | AjB | its added into fstab |
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| 02:28.31 | dvs | AjB: then udev, hal, and pmount.... if you dare |
| 02:28.32 | AjB | /dev/sda1 /mnt/USBdrive vfat defaults 0 0 |
| 02:28.34 | mngrif | AjB: did you add "auto" to the mount options? ... or just set it to "defaults" |
| 02:28.56 | AjB | oh |
| 02:28.59 | AjB | change defaults to "auto" |
| 02:29.00 | AjB | ? |
| 02:29.16 | dvs | AjB: And you want "user" to be part of the options if you don't want to be root when you mount it. |
| 02:29.20 | mngrif | no, defaults covers it |
| 02:29.22 | Guerin | that won't help unless you use mount -a or want it mounted on boot |
| 02:29.27 | dvs | AjB: no change vfat to auto |
| 02:29.40 | AjB | ok... its a fat32 partition tho |
| 02:29.47 | Guerin | AjB: and you REALLY want to change that mountpoint so it's lowercase |
| 02:29.49 | simonrvn | dvs: what? |
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| 02:30.08 | simonrvn | i think you mis-saw that =) |
| 02:30.09 | AjB | so my options should be: defaults,user |
| 02:30.17 | Guerin | dvs: put the crack pipe down slowly and raise your hands, son |
| 02:30.19 | AjB | do i need anything for dump / pass? |
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| 02:30.34 | dvs | simonrvn, Oh ok. That's no surprise |
| 02:30.36 | cafuego | AjB: 0 and 0 |
| 02:30.46 | mngrif | ...crack and linux apparently doesn't mix |
| 02:30.49 | snooo | how do you tell if auto-apt is going to install something? does it tell you in the shell or after you exit it? |
| 02:30.49 | simonrvn | dvs: :) |
| 02:30.51 | AjB | what does dump and pass mean anyways |
| 02:30.55 | Guerin | try telling that to #gentoo |
| 02:30.59 | cafuego | AjB: man fstab will tell you. |
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| 02:31.03 | AjB | kk |
| 02:31.04 | simonrvn | mngrif: yeh, ask linus sometime ;p |
| 02:31.07 | Guerin | snooo: it prompts you |
| 02:31.23 | mngrif | simonrvn: i seriously doubt the master of the tao smokes crack. pot maybe :P |
| 02:31.24 | cafuego | AjB: (it's to do with autmatic fsck on bootup) |
| 02:31.28 | snooo | Guerin: okies |
| 02:31.33 | simonrvn | snooo: depending on the ui you're in, it'll pop up a window, or a prompt |
| 02:31.34 | mngrif | we all know rms does :P |
| 02:32.03 | darkcmd | does anyone in here use debconf in GNOME mode |
| 02:32.18 | Guerin | that's just wrong |
| 02:32.21 | cafuego | darkcmd: I do, when GNome is running. |
| 02:32.38 | cafuego | Guerin: well, the terminal in aptitude is oogly |
| 02:32.43 | simonrvn | mngrif: you missed the point. i think he coined "are you smoking crack?" - at least that's where i first saw it. hmm, sometimes i wonder ;p |
| 02:32.45 | cafuego | eh, synaptic |
| 02:32.51 | Guerin | eew, synaptic |
| 02:33.01 | simonrvn | darkcmd: no, never. bad idea |
| 02:33.03 | snooo | yum, synaptic |
| 02:33.09 | snooo | but im just a stupid newbie |
| 02:33.12 | cafuego | Guerin: synaptic is my friend sometimes |
| 02:33.17 | darkcmd | simonrvn, why's that? |
| 02:33.25 | cafuego | snooo: I'm not a newbie and I like it too. |
| 02:33.26 | Guerin | all gnome tools are evil |
| 02:33.27 | mngrif | simonrvn: *shrug* my head hurts too much for me to bother deciphering IRC... *goes back to somethingawful* |
| 02:33.30 | Guerin | without exception |
| 02:33.32 | DB_ | Does cron have problems with long lines in crontab files? |
| 02:33.51 | cafuego | Guerin: Seriously though, only the ones written in python are evil. |
| 02:33.57 | Guerin | cafuego: haha |
| 02:34.00 | cafuego | Guerin: And that's because python is evil, not Gnome. |
| 02:34.04 | Guerin | you lie! |
| 02:34.12 | darkcmd | simonrvn, why is it a bad idea? |
| 02:34.18 | _terr | I'm trying to do a net install of Sarge and it says it cannot reach the servers. |
| 02:34.24 | Guerin | darkcmd: minimal force doctrine |
| 02:34.38 | _terr | I can ping the machine from here... |
| 02:34.40 | darkcmd | Guerin, I want to know why from simonrvn |
| 02:34.41 | Guerin | _terr: firewalled off? |
| 02:34.50 | _terr | If I can ping it then it should be able to see the world. |
| 02:35.09 | Guerin | _terr: not if your firewall is configured to trop packets on certain ports |
| 02:35.11 | _terr | Guerin: I don't think so... its on the same subnet as this one. |
| 02:35.15 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:35.19 | Guerin | so no firewall |
| 02:35.46 | snooo | whats wrong with the ncurses interface? |
| 02:35.49 | _terr | Guerin: My firewall is pretty tight - but I did a net install of woody from behind it a couple years ago. |
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| 02:35.57 | davidcs1 | so. no ideas on the ACPI? anyone? |
| 02:35.58 | simonrvn | darkcmd: couple reasons: you don't want a systems critical util to depend on too many things - more thigs can go wrong; what if x stopped working, and you needed to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? ;) |
| 02:36.10 | simonrvn | darkcmd: that's just for starters |
| 02:36.17 | _terr | Guerin: How can I test to see if this machine can see the mirror? |
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| 02:36.33 | SirK | squid in httpd_accel mode, is there a reason it wouldnt be looking at siblings i've configured ? theres bugger all in the logs about icp/anything to do with peers. very odd. |
| 02:36.36 | Guerin | simonrvn: i BELIEVE it has functionality to fall back to dialogue if X isn't available |
| 02:36.42 | darkcmd | simonrvn, if it wigs out it defaults to a dialog based one |
| 02:36.46 | cafuego | snooo: Nothing, should there be? |
| 02:36.52 | simonrvn | Guerin: no |
| 02:36.55 | Guerin | _terr: if ping wworks, then you have connectivity. |
| 02:36.57 | _terr | Guerin: it should be looking for ftp.debian.org... however I tried a few mirrors and it fails |
| 02:36.59 | cafuego | Guerin: Yes, that's correct. |
| 02:37.03 | cafuego | simonrvn: yes |
| 02:37.14 | simonrvn | something new then |
| 02:37.17 | _terr | Guerin: yes - I can ping that machine but that machine does not have ping installed |
| 02:37.18 | Guerin | _terr: you can ping any arbitrary mirror? |
| 02:37.25 | cafuego | simonrvn: 's done that for me for a _long_ time. |
| 02:37.26 | Guerin | oh. |
| 02:37.35 | _terr | Guerin: give me an url for a mirror. |
| 02:37.39 | simonrvn | not here |
| 02:37.48 | Guerin | _terr: ftp.kr.debian.org |
| 02:37.48 | darkcmd | cafuego, so you use the gnome frontend? |
| 02:37.54 | snooo | cafuego: no, but i dont understand why you'd want to use the GNOME version when most of the useful apt utilties are console based or have a terminal anyway (synaptic) |
| 02:38.02 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh, whatever |
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| 02:38.21 | _terr | Guerin: this machine can ping ftp.us.debian.org |
| 02:38.22 | cafuego | darkcmd: On some machines, yes, when X happens to be running and I happen to be in X. |
| 02:38.50 | cafuego | snooo: it makes life a bit easier for some people who'd rather deal with buttons, pull-downs and checkboxes. |
| 02:38.51 | Guerin | _terr: then you have connectivity. I suggest you punch holes in your firewall to allow 20,21 and 80 inbound |
| 02:38.57 | AjB | what is the name of the log file created that records the boot up? |
| 02:39.10 | simonrvn | when do you actually run dpkg-reconfigure from say, a menu entry, anyway? i don't |
| 02:39.14 | Guerin | AjB: /var/log/dmesg |
| 02:39.17 | AjB | thank you |
| 02:39.31 | _terr | Guerin: would I be able to run w browser without that? |
| 02:39.44 | cafuego | simonrvn: I don't. However, I on occasion install new software and/or updates that require debconf interaction via synaptic |
| 02:39.45 | _terr | 80 inbound goes to my webservers. |
| 02:39.48 | simonrvn | i don't like the interface for the gnome one anyway. fucking pita |
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| 02:40.03 | darkcmd | i might just stick with the curses, since it's safer |
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| 02:40.19 | darkcmd | well not safer |
| 02:40.21 | simonrvn | the qt one is worse ;) |
| 02:40.24 | Guerin | _terr: then I don't have any answers for you. If you can ping it, you have connectivity... |
| 02:40.32 | _terr | Guerin: 80 outbound is what it allows and I would not be able to run a browser if it killed 80 outbound. |
| 02:40.43 | cafuego | is gnome is evil, Qt is thr void after time has ended |
| 02:41.12 | _terr | Guerin: I've not installed sarfe b4. I did however upgrade this machine to sarge last week and that was via apt - so it much be able to work. |
| 02:41.13 | DB_ | I have a 217 character length line in my crontab file, and am getting errors that make me believe cron is spliting it somewhere when executing it, causing an error. The command executes fine in sh and bash. Is this a known issue? |
| 02:41.18 | cafuego | s/typoes/fixed/ |
| 02:41.24 | _terr | cafuego: how are you doing? |
| 02:41.31 | cafuego | _terr: terrible. |
| 02:41.35 | Guerin | _terr: yeah, it sounds like it should. Try transparent proxying? |
| 02:41.39 | _terr | cafuego: how come? |
| 02:41.45 | cafuego | _terr: I get mocked |
| 02:41.54 | Guerin | oh, like that's unusual |
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| 02:41.59 | cafuego | See? |
| 02:42.01 | _terr | Guerin: I don't know how to set up a transparent proxy. |
| 02:42.16 | _terr | cafuego: oh well - it happens to the best I guess. |
| 02:42.18 | simonrvn | i'm picky. if the ui is badly designed, i don't use it |
| 02:42.28 | darkvader | DB_: try to check about use of '' and "". you may need escaping from shell. |
| 02:42.45 | _terr | Guerin: debinsall should be using wget AFAIK - and I have manually used wget. |
| 02:42.45 | simonrvn | cafuego: poor you. my empathies |
| 02:42.47 | dvs | ops cafuego is running windows |
| 02:42.52 | DB_ | darkvader: Would it hurt to escape all quotes? |
| 02:42.54 | alex | im new to debian i just installed ubuntu and my primary distro is gentoo so im not quite acclaimated to this distro but ive been trying to install fvwm and it says it cant find it |
| 02:42.58 | cafuego | simonrvn: <heh> Well, I would like to do that, but my wife would kill me if I stole her iBook <heh> |
| 02:43.00 | simonrvn | dvs: hehehe |
| 02:43.02 | alex | do i type apt-get install fvwm |
| 02:43.12 | alex | because thats not working |
| 02:43.21 | darkvader | DB_: check if it runs when you place it in a file. |
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| 02:43.33 | darkvader | *script file* |
| 02:43.40 | simonrvn | cafuego: winbloze ui is *ugly*. xp is *bad*, never mind earlier winbloze OSes |
| 02:43.49 | DB_ | darkvader: I'll try it, thanks |
| 02:44.12 | cafuego | simonrvn: yes, running a bunch of securecrt sessions into real OSes; can't do decent dvd creation onde Linux though. |
| 02:44.16 | Guerin | _terr: apt-get install squid, and add lines like: acl foo src 10.0.0.1/32 \n http_access allow foo |
| 02:44.21 | cafuego | s/onde/under/ |
| 02:44.24 | snooo | snooo: aye |
| 02:44.28 | simonrvn | cafuego: i'm an artist at heart, aesthetics are important for certain things |
| 02:44.39 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh |
| 02:44.42 | Guerin | _terr: but frankly you shouldn't have to proxy if your forewall is set up right |
| 02:44.57 | DB_ | darkvader: Yes, it executes from a file without errors |
| 02:44.58 | simonrvn | Guerin: forewall and backwall? ;p |
| 02:45.01 | cafuego | Coz those poxy dvd/w32codecs people don't DO amd64 |
| 02:45.08 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:45.15 | simonrvn | *grin* |
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| 02:45.50 | simonrvn | cafuego: do you know if a tnt2 riva is fashable to "mac"? (OF firmware flash available) |
| 02:45.55 | simonrvn | flashable* |
| 02:46.13 | darkvader | DB_: try to place that file in cron dir and call it from there. check if cron can manage it. |
| 02:46.13 | cafuego | simonrvn: no idea... would it NEED flashing at all? |
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| 02:46.25 | simonrvn | cafuego: yes, it's a "pc" one |
| 02:46.48 | simonrvn | though it doesn't look like it has a rom... |
| 02:46.48 | cafuego | simonrvn: Some scsi cards usually need flashing, but say all my pci nics work fine in the macs. |
| 02:47.06 | _terr | Guerin: I have no reason to beleive the firewall is not set up properly. But I can test it from here. |
| 02:47.10 | cafuego | hell, the 8600 even detected a damn pci modem |
| 02:47.14 | _terr | It currently runs http. |
| 02:47.20 | cafuego | (crashed when trying to use it, though) |
| 02:47.22 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh i know, i use them interchangably between the linux and bsd x86 and ppcs |
| 02:47.30 | Guerin | _terr: it sounds like that, to me, but the fact is that it's not working. |
| 02:47.41 | deadcat | is FB_VESA in 2.6.11.7 ppc? cant seem to find it |
| 02:47.42 | _terr | Connected to ftp.us.debian.org. |
| 02:47.44 | simonrvn | cafuego: (the NICs i meant) |
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| 02:47.46 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:47.48 | cafuego | simonrvn: I guess gfx needs to be abtive before bios/OF though... |
| 02:47.53 | simonrvn | deadcat: not on PPC |
| 02:47.58 | Guerin | _terr: are you using rc3? |
| 02:48.00 | _terr | Guerin: Connected to ftp.us.debian.org. |
| 02:48.04 | deadcat | simonrvn: ok thanks. any reason why not? |
| 02:48.05 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh, the OF inits the card |
| 02:48.09 | Guerin | _terr: yeah, so I see. |
| 02:48.10 | simonrvn | deadcat: not needed |
| 02:48.14 | _terr | Guerin: what is rc3? You mean to boot? |
| 02:48.21 | Guerin | _terr: the install image. |
| 02:48.28 | simonrvn | deadcat: well, mac ppcs |
| 02:48.38 | simonrvn | on other sub-arches it might be different |
| 02:48.42 | _terr | Guerin: I used the sarge floopy images |
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| 02:48.54 | mwilson | Guerin: He's building his own kernels and doesn't even know what an rc is. |
| 02:49.01 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:49.06 | Guerin | great |
| 02:49.31 | _terr | Guerin: there are foud floppies. I used boot.img, root.img and net-drivers.img I did not use cd-drivers.img |
| 02:50.14 | _terr | Guerin: I d/l the images from ftp.debian.org |
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| 02:51.17 | RedPenguin | What should I do, because I obviously have a dependency problem where apt-get will not work until I fix it, but when I try to fix it, the dependecy gets an overwrite error with another package |
| 02:51.40 | _terr | Guerin: I can open a shell. Any idea what I should test? |
| 02:51.45 | cafuego | RedPenguin: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/broken_pkg.deb |
| 02:52.03 | Guerin | _terr: i don't know what the floppies have on them. |
| 02:52.08 | darkvader | RedPenguin: dpkg --force-<things> /var/lib/dpkg/.... locate the file and use dpkg instead of apt to force things. |
| 02:52.35 | _terr | Guerin: well - if I ahve to I cam mount them. I'm going to try wget by hand and see what happnes. BRB |
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| 02:53.45 | darkvader | RedPenguin: /var/cache/apt/archives/<file>. not /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 02:54.04 | _terr | Guerin: wget ftp.debian.org give the message: not an http or ftp url. From this machine it connects. |
| 02:54.12 | blitz5 | do you say when gnome 2.10 arrive in experimental? |
| 02:54.26 | dvs | blitz5, after sarge |
| 02:54.29 | cafuego | _terr: Well, ftp or http urls DO start with <protocol>:// normally. |
| 02:54.31 | RedPenguin | ok |
| 02:54.33 | mwilson | blitz5: When somoene feels the need to upload it. |
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| 02:54.58 | Guerin | _terr: add ftp://ftp.debian.org |
| 02:55.01 | Guerin | err |
| 02:55.02 | _terr | cafuego: I used the exact same command. and this is a sarge machine now. |
| 02:55.04 | Guerin | s/add/try/ |
| 02:55.11 | _terr | brb |
| 02:55.12 | denon | hey, silly question - is there a reason I couldn't partitions in the order of primary, swap, primary on /dev/sda? |
| 02:55.17 | denon | the second primary acts really goofy |
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| 02:56.02 | RedPenguin | thanks it worked |
| 02:56.06 | darkvader | denon: what did you use? fdisk? cfdisk? parted? |
| 02:56.14 | simonrvn | uh, primary on a scsi drive? oh, x86... |
| 02:56.15 | dvs | denon, what type of partition is swap? |
| 02:56.37 | _terr | Guerin: host name lookup failure. But it is pointed to my nameserver. |
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| 02:57.26 | darkvader | apt-get should have an option to force-things. |
| 02:57.27 | denon | darkvader / dvs: http://pastebin.ca/10696 |
| 02:57.49 | _terr | Guerin: I checked the ip address of my nameserver... it is correct. It lives at 192.168.2.1 |
| 02:57.50 | Guerin | _terr: point it to 168.126.63.1 |
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| 02:57.58 | denon | darkvader: it does, --force-yes |
| 02:58.01 | dvs | denon, So they are all primary partitions |
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| 02:58.17 | Guerin | or try to look something up drom it in the unlikely event you have 'host' on that box |
| 02:58.21 | _terr | Guerin: that is the extrnal address. I was going to try that next - good idea. |
| 02:58.26 | denon | dvs: lvm doesnt seem to like that last one though .. |
| 02:58.45 | denon | dvs: even though the partitions on the other drives work just fine .. not on this one (which is also the os drive) |
| 02:58.55 | dvs | denon, I've never used lvm so I can't say. |
| 02:59.06 | denon | dvs: well, I also cant get ext3fs on it |
| 02:59.11 | denon | its just plain goofy. :) |
| 02:59.40 | dvs | denon, to get ext3, make it the same as ext2 |
| 02:59.56 | _terr | Guerin: that was it - I needed the external address for some reason. |
| 03:00.08 | denon | dvs: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda3 .. |
| 03:00.09 | denon | mke2fs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004) |
| 03:00.09 | denon | mkfs.ext3: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size |
| 03:00.15 | darkvader | denon: try parted. |
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| 03:00.18 | _terr | Guerin: I'll have to check why the namserver is not accessable on the internal address. |
| 03:00.24 | _blue | has anyone here ever used flash memory to suppliment main memory via usb based adapter? |
| 03:00.25 | _terr | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:00.27 | dvs | denon: mkfs -t ext2 /dev/sda3... |
| 03:00.48 | cafuego | _blue: Why don't you hit the CPU with a hammer, if you want to slow the machine down? |
| 03:00.51 | darkvader | denon: parted seems to work well in extraordinary circumstances than fdisk |
| 03:00.55 | denon | dvs: same result |
| 03:01.09 | dvs | denon: use fdisk to change the type |
| 03:01.09 | denon | darkvader: huh, is this that extraordinary? |
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| 03:01.15 | denon | dvs: I did |
| 03:01.18 | _blue | cafuego: wtf? |
| 03:01.20 | mngrif | cafuego: installing windows will slow a box down too |
| 03:01.25 | darkvader | denon: not really but you can try. |
| 03:01.27 | cafuego | _blue: USb is *SLOW* |
| 03:01.32 | spoopin | denon: try mke2fs |
| 03:01.35 | dvs | denon: If the paste is right, it didn't work. |
| 03:01.40 | cafuego | _blue: Like *REALLY SLOW* |
| 03:01.52 | darkvader | denon: force-yes is not as controllable as dpkg --force-<a lot of things> |
| 03:01.56 | _blue | cafuego: show me a usb2 device that is generally slower than ata 100 or 133 |
| 03:02.03 | DB_ | darkvader: No dice from cron.d. There seems to be a pattern emerging here: It seems to break at The % in ${ham%/*/*/*} |
| 03:02.11 | _terr | Guerin: this installer is nice!!! |
| 03:02.11 | cafuego | _blue: Pretty much all of them. |
| 03:02.33 | _blue | my usb thumbdrive is significantly faster than my ide drives |
| 03:02.40 | _terr | Guerin: I see it picked 386MB ona 20GB hdd for swap. That seems small to me - what is your opinion? |
| 03:02.50 | cafuego | _blue: Then your IDE drives might be crap ;-) |
| 03:02.50 | mngrif | _blue: it's also solid state... that alone makes it hella faster |
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| 03:03.01 | snooo | btw thanks for your help |
| 03:03.02 | _blue | mngrif: which is why i want to use it as main memory |
| 03:03.05 | Guerin | _terr: how much ram, and what will you use the box for? |
| 03:03.20 | snooo | sorry for appearing a spastic at times |
| 03:03.35 | cafuego | _blue: Normally USB drives don't cache data and only have a limited number of writes before they die. |
| 03:03.41 | Guerin | _terr: that's a stupid idea because usb is a much less robust storage system than ide |
| 03:03.42 | _terr | Guerin: my brother will use it. Its currently got 128 but he'll be doing graphics ad may need to add more ram |
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| 03:03.46 | cafuego | _blue: That won't help performance much. |
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| 03:04.04 | _terr | Guerin: what is a stupid idea? |
| 03:04.07 | Guerin | _terr: if he's doing any meaningful kind of graphics, he'll need WAY more ram and swap. |
| 03:04.11 | cafuego | _blue: My fastest USB2 drive manages about 10Mb/sec |
| 03:04.19 | Guerin | _terr: gah, that was for _blue |
| 03:04.21 | snooo | boi boi |
| 03:04.33 | cafuego | _blue: By slowest ATA drive is over twice as fast |
| 03:04.34 | _terr | Guerin: Yes - I agree. Oh and I feel so much better now LOL |
| 03:04.40 | darkvader | DB_: hmm, strange. if bash works without problem... cron should just fork it to bash. |
| 03:04.46 | adjacent | hmm. wonder if a 2GB CF card would make for good swap? naturally, it would need to be replaced more frequently... |
| 03:04.48 | _terr | Guerin: I think maybe a GB of swap. |
| 03:04.54 | Guerin | _terr: just more ram. |
| 03:04.57 | _terr | he'll be in the gimp a lot. |
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| 03:05.16 | Guerin | adjacent: no. |
| 03:05.24 | cafuego | adjacent: Controller speed would be the limitation; all the ones I've seen are pretty slow. |
| 03:05.27 | _terr | Guerin: I put a GB of swap in this machine - for 128 MB ram then upgraded the memory to 640MB |
| 03:05.33 | adjacent | mm. true. |
| 03:05.45 | cafuego | adjacent: 1GB of ram costs less than a 1GB CF card anyway |
| 03:05.53 | DB_ | darkvader: Found the solution: Had to escape the %. Runs now. Thanks for your help |
| 03:06.04 | _terr | Guerin: losing 1 GB on a 20 GB is not so bad. If he adds a drive it'll probably be a 120GB. |
| 03:06.08 | adjacent | ram is dirt cheap |
| 03:06.21 | _terr | adjacent: $50 bux for 256MB |
| 03:06.31 | _terr | adjacent: he can put 512 max in this system. |
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| 03:06.40 | cafuego | They still MAKE 256mb sticks? |
| 03:06.49 | _terr | adjacent: I like ECC though... not the cheap stuff. |
| 03:07.02 | dvs | cafuego, Why wouldn't they? |
| 03:07.15 | rectum | erre con erre cigarro, erre con erre barril |
| 03:07.19 | adjacent | heh. $50 for 512 pc2-4200 off slickdeals.net |
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| 03:07.23 | mklebel | where is the config file that is responsible for telling xdm which Window Manager to load? |
| 03:07.27 | _terr | adjacent: I think I'll organise a 1 GB sawp. with only 128 MB ram it does seem like a lot mind you. |
| 03:07.38 | cafuego | dvs: Not enough profit margin/demand? |
| 03:07.43 | Guerin | mklebel: .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 03:07.57 | rectum | mklebel: ~/.xsession |
| 03:08.04 | dvs | cafuego, Enough to put in the bottom of the barrel computers though |
| 03:08.05 | rectum | nm, guerin |
| 03:08.07 | cafuego | _terr: You don't want to have a box try to use 1GB of swap. |
| 03:08.11 | _terr | Guerin: would you agree that 1 GB swap is still ok in a 128 MB machine? |
| 03:08.22 | _terr | cafuego: how come? |
| 03:08.23 | denon | oh, heh, needs a reboot for the kernel to see it |
| 03:08.27 | rectum | 1gb swap is MORE than enough |
| 03:08.33 | Guerin | _terr: as much as you need. |
| 03:08.48 | adjacent | _terr: too much swap isnt a problem. too little IS |
| 03:08.50 | cafuego | _terr: Imagine $USER openign a 60MB image and the box starting to swap out gimp? |
| 03:08.53 | Guerin | but you basically won't be able to do any meaningful graphics work in 128MB, no matter how much swap you have |
| 03:08.57 | Mortalman | linuxlogo wich shows on boot shows a very long string for the name of my processor which offsets the image. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 03:09.07 | _terr | Guerin: I have no idea what he'll need - if he asks Gimp to do a 30"x40" poster he'll need a lot! |
| 03:09.20 | rectum | I remember a month ago I had 128 mb ram and it was horrible, then I got 512 and now im kicking buttocks |
| 03:09.21 | Guerin | heh |
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| 03:09.36 | cafuego | _terr: On relatively low-ram machines, I prefer to keep the swap to 4xram max, so it won't get into too much of a swap/unswap loop. |
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| 03:09.40 | _terr | cafuego: well - if he doens't have the swap he might not even be able to get the picture into gimp |
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| 03:09.50 | darkvader | mklebel: update-alternatives x-window-manager |
| 03:09.56 | _terr | cafuego: is this for performance reasons? |
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| 03:10.05 | cafuego | _terr: I can tell you for free he won't be wanting to run gimp off swap, he'll get frustrated and kill the machine. |
| 03:10.09 | Guerin | back in the second milennium... |
| 03:10.12 | darkvader | mklebel: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 03:10.13 | rectum | Guerin: you must be a very VERY patient man |
| 03:10.18 | rectum | or woman |
| 03:10.20 | rectum | whichecer |
| 03:10.28 | Guerin | rectum: yeah. |
| 03:10.29 | cafuego | _terr: yes. you *REALLY* don't want to have to wait 15 minutes for gimp to update an image on-screen |
| 03:10.40 | darkvader | mklebel: that is, if you don't have .xsession. |
| 03:10.41 | _terr | cafuego: he'll just have to bring the ram up to 512 then. And if so then at least he will not have to repartition the machine. |
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| 03:10.57 | _terr | cafuego: I understand what you are saying. |
| 03:11.04 | Guerin | rectum: the .psd was ~300MB; uncompressed it was about 2.5GB |
| 03:11.12 | cafuego | _terr: *nod* But do tell him to not try and edit huge images with only 128Mb ram |
| 03:11.13 | rectum | holy fucking geez |
| 03:11.19 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:11.23 | rectum | that totally just rips rectums |
| 03:11.24 | rectum | left and right |
| 03:11.33 | rectum | what was it for again? |
| 03:11.37 | _terr | cafuego: well - I want to get him going. I'm the guy who will probably have to u/g the ram later on. |
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| 03:11.44 | rectum | just curious, what were you trying to do |
| 03:11.45 | rage_ | Hey people, I'm after a cute looking cli network monitor. I'm current using iftop |
| 03:11.46 | Guerin | it was a master map for a game |
| 03:11.46 | cafuego | Guerin: I did one of those on a 1.5GB ram machine and was annoyed with how slow it was ;-) |
| 03:11.49 | rectum | oh |
| 03:12.12 | Guerin | cafuego: there was no such thing as a PC with a gig of ram back when I did this :) |
| 03:12.23 | _terr | cafuego: I was looking that the ram issue yesterday. This machine is only 400 mHz too - so he might need a lot more ummfff if he's going to get into large images. |
| 03:12.30 | rectum | I want 200GB ram as a ramdisk and a damn good UPS and 4GB ram |
| 03:12.33 | rectum | i'll be a happy camper |
| 03:12.41 | cafuego | Guerin: I only did it about 6 months ago; 2A0 sized poster made with 'metapixel' for a tradeshow. |
| 03:13.00 | Guerin | cafuego: fwiw, i could actually use it in windows... on the same hardware, debian with gimp utterly failed to even open the damn thing |
| 03:13.16 | Guerin | though it was converting from photoshop |
| 03:13.17 | _terr | Guerin: I've done image editing on a machine with 32MB ram. Now I have 640 and this seems huge to me - but it was really cheap. |
| 03:13.18 | rectum | what is fwiw |
| 03:13.24 | Guerin | for what it's worth |
| 03:13.26 | cafuego | Guerin: For a long time gimp has been poo. it's getting there these days (but it's still not ideal) |
| 03:13.34 | rectum | !fwiw |
| 03:13.34 | dpkg | fwiw is, like, for {what,whatever} it's worth |
| 03:13.42 | rectum | oh |
| 03:13.43 | Guerin | cafuego: i might revisit it. I have a box with 384 now :) |
| 03:13.57 | _terr | cafuego: yes - they need to add a lot mor too it. But I used it successfully to do my logo. |
| 03:14.19 | rectum | I have an optical wireless mouse |
| 03:14.24 | rectum | damn thing is entirely too fast |
| 03:14.25 | Guerin | _terr: I used to do dtp and image editing and typesetting on mac color lc2s... I think that had 8 or so |
| 03:14.31 | rectum | my acceleration in xfce is MIN |
| 03:14.33 | simonrvn | i'd use a tablet if i had one |
| 03:14.34 | _terr | Guerin: well - $50 bux will give him 384. $100 will give him 512 and that is the best this can do. |
| 03:14.38 | rectum | even still its damn fast |
| 03:14.43 | rectum | simonrvn: i had an acer tablet |
| 03:14.48 | rectum | was pretty sweet |
| 03:14.51 | _terr | Guerin: are yuo an illustrator? |
| 03:14.54 | rage_ | I have an acer tablet |
| 03:15.00 | rage_ | C111tci |
| 03:15.01 | rectum | only thing i disliked was that it had xp tablet on it |
| 03:15.04 | rectum | go di hate window |
| 03:15.10 | rectum | windows* |
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| 03:15.26 | rage_ | You can install the wiscom usb tablet drivers and get it going under debian |
| 03:15.28 | Guerin | _terr: nope, I can't draw worth a damn and have basically no visual arts skills at all, but I am very patient :) |
| 03:15.42 | rage_ | it's sweet as :-) |
| 03:15.45 | zignig | cafuego: wow , l33t dood. |
| 03:15.49 | adjacent | _terr: you might want more processing power too. 400MHz isnt much now |
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| 03:15.56 | _terr | Guerin: that usually does it. I've got to run... catch you later thanks for the opinions and help |
| 03:15.57 | cafuego | zignig: SMP 68020! |
| 03:16.03 | cafuego | s/2/3/ |
| 03:16.10 | _terr | adjacent: yes - its an old box.... |
| 03:16.14 | _terr | bye |
| 03:16.19 | zignig | cafuego: what are you doing, povray ? |
| 03:16.24 | darkvader | cafuego: se/30 rocks |
| 03:16.32 | cafuego | zignig: hypercard, man |
| 03:16.42 | Tourinho | hello all... I have a SATA disk (ICH6M) and Im trying to compile kernel 2.6.11.7.. but its onle have intell ICH5M and Im getting kernel panic.. does anyone knows where can I found a module for this SATA controller ?? |
| 03:16.48 | rage_ | mmmm hypercard |
| 03:16.48 | cafuego | darkvader: one of the is dead; it got flooded :-( |
| 03:16.56 | zignig | cafuego: I did heaps of programming in hypercard , it is so cool. |
| 03:17.04 | rage_ | me too, I love it |
| 03:17.12 | cafuego | zignig: beats the crap out of python, that's for sure. |
| 03:17.18 | rage_ | indeed |
| 03:17.35 | zignig | cafuego: noo. python rules. |
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| 03:17.40 | darkvader | cafuego: mine's monitor turned gray :( but it's a fast machine... zero wait state. |
| 03:17.45 | Guerin | !start a language war |
| 03:17.45 | dpkg | FORTRAN is more readable than ML |
| 03:17.46 | cafuego | I wonder if i could claim a patent on breadcrumb navigation |
| 03:18.01 | anto9us | can I convert a linux partition to ntfs? |
| 03:18.16 | Guerin | anto9us: sure. It involves fdisk and a windows cd. |
| 03:18.16 | cafuego | anto9us: yes. You will lose all data and you need to do it from within windows. |
| 03:18.36 | Guerin | why you'd want to is a differetn question |
| 03:18.54 | anto9us | what about to fat32? |
| 03:19.01 | Guerin | samn answer |
| 03:19.07 | cafuego | anto9us: yes. You will lose all data |
| 03:19.15 | cafuego | anto9us: (but you can do it from Linux) |
| 03:19.26 | darkvader | anto9us: you need to backup. you cannot do it in-place |
| 03:19.28 | Guerin | again, why would you want to? |
| 03:19.50 | cafuego | Guerin: My dual-boot windows machine can't read ext3 and I need my pron! |
| 03:19.50 | anto9us | can I resize without data loss? |
| 03:20.09 | cafuego | anto9us: Probably, but I'd still backup up before I tried. |
| 03:20.10 | rage_ | anto9us: yes partition magic can do it |
| 03:20.20 | darkvader | anto9us: told you. backup. not in-place. |
| 03:20.21 | rage_ | but yeah, cafuego is absolutely right |
| 03:20.21 | Guerin | never use partitionmagic on a linux box |
| 03:20.30 | Guerin | it breaks boot records |
| 03:20.43 | cafuego | Guerin: Touch wood, i got away with it each time |
| 03:20.51 | Guerin | and sometimes breaks partition tables quite unfixably |
| 03:21.03 | Guerin | i did it twice, and it pwn3d me both times |
| 03:21.13 | cafuego | it doe have a nasty habit of moving hda1-3 to hda12-26 or soemthing |
| 03:21.32 | adjacent | heh, unfixably? how does it do that? |
| 03:21.45 | Guerin | back voodoo |
| 03:21.49 | Guerin | black, even |
| 03:21.53 | anto9us | ok, it's not critical stuff but it's a good idea to back up anyway, thanks guys :) |
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| 03:22.11 | dvs | adjacent, bugs possibly |
| 03:22.15 | adjacent | i was afraid of that! |
| 03:22.32 | adjacent | dvs? |
| 03:22.42 | Guerin | and maybbe not even bugs... just presumptions about how people's partition tables are set up and what to do with them |
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| 03:22.55 | dvs | adjacent, What? You think it is bug free? |
| 03:22.58 | adjacent | yeh, but its not unfixable |
| 03:23.08 | adjacent | thats my point |
| 03:23.14 | Guerin | hah |
| 03:23.28 | anto9us | Monitor is a spambot |
| 03:23.35 | Guerin | well, it IS fixable if you count running cfdisk and redoing it all |
| 03:23.44 | adjacent | haha. =) |
| 03:23.47 | dvs | !ops Monitor is a spambot |
| 03:23.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Monitor is a spambot |
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| 03:25.12 | caphuso | doesn't spam me |
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| 03:25.34 | Guerin | maybe they've been hacked to not spam the ops... |
| 03:25.44 | anto9us | it definitely spammed me, teen sex videos |
| 03:26.11 | cafuego | caphuso: monitor is been a spambot several times over the past week. |
| 03:26.11 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 03:26.17 | *** kick/#debian [Monitor!foobar@p5481DCE5.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 03:26.17 | cafuego | caphuso: let me check |
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| 03:26.42 | LexanXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.51 | anto9us | oh no wait a minute, it was... no just kidding... it was a spambot ;) |
| 03:26.55 | cafuego | And if not, the fucker is from Frankston, we don't want that sort on #debian. |
| 03:26.56 | dvs | LexanXP, absolutely |
| 03:27.18 | dvs | what's Frankston? |
| 03:27.20 | LexanXP | How can i prevent that. Its making me mad! |
| 03:27.29 | cafuego | dvs: A suburb of Melbourne |
| 03:27.40 | cafuego | dvs: I can describe it in two words. |
| 03:27.56 | dvs | cafuego, Ok, around here it's known as a "Keswick" |
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| 03:28.02 | cafuego | LexanXP: No, WinXP only wipes grub on the initial install. |
| 03:28.09 | cafuego | dvs: "jerry springer" |
| 03:28.15 | dvs | ahahahahaha |
| 03:28.21 | LexanXP | hmm i wonder whats happening. |
| 03:28.22 | dvs | Yup, definitely Keswick |
| 03:28.27 | cafuego | dvs: <heh> |
| 03:28.28 | rage_ | :-) |
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| 03:28.41 | LexanXP | becuase i will reboot and it will say "loading grub..." Then its just a blank screen. |
| 03:28.53 | dvs | LexanXP, XP overwrote the boot sector of your hard drive. |
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| 03:30.04 | cafuego | LexanXP: Yiou will need to use a linux cd to boot your Debian, then reinstall GRUB |
| 03:30.06 | Darien | no one is talking |
| 03:30.10 | Darien | am I in the wrong #debian? |
| 03:30.22 | dvs | !smite Darien |
| 03:30.29 | Darien | is this the twilight zone or something? |
| 03:30.39 | simonrvn | um... |
| 03:30.42 | Darien | normally I'd have gotten about 70 lines by the time my IRC client synced |
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| 03:30.58 | Darien | oh well, it'll still be a good stress test |
| 03:31.10 | simonrvn | @kill Darien |
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| 03:31.16 | Darien | :( |
| 03:31.21 | shido6 | how do I watch tv on my debuan box with AIW 9800 ? |
| 03:31.33 | dvs | why is mentor still an op? |
| 03:31.50 | LexanXP | But will prevent it from disapearing again. This is like my 2nd fresh install of debian? |
| 03:31.50 | simonrvn | because he is? |
| 03:31.55 | shido6 | debian box, rather |
| 03:31.57 | LexanXP | 2nd time its happened. |
| 03:31.58 | darkvader | dvs: what's your point? |
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| 03:32.23 | dvs | darkvader: Well, they don't usually stay ops for very long. |
| 03:32.40 | dvs | LexanXP, Did you install Win XP twice? |
| 03:32.43 | helix | dvs: eh? |
| 03:32.46 | simonrvn | you mean still opped |
| 03:32.48 | darkvader | hehe |
| 03:32.58 | deadcat | simonrvn: i am testing out fbsplash instead of bootsplash (= |
| 03:33.04 | helix | oh |
| 03:33.15 | simonrvn | he just forgot i guess |
| 03:33.21 | anto9us | do you have some antivirus program or something protecting your boot sector LexanXP? |
| 03:33.32 | darkvader | dvs, vague statement |
| 03:33.32 | simonrvn | deadcat: will probably work better ;) |
| 03:33.33 | LexanXP | dvs : no . just debian |
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| 03:34.02 | LexanXP | free-av. ANd adaware and ms antispyware |
| 03:34.06 | deadcat | simonrvn: atleast it lets me check [*] (= |
| 03:34.14 | simonrvn | :) |
| 03:34.23 | rage_ | Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions for a cute cli bandwidth monitoring program? I'm currently using iftop. :-) |
| 03:34.49 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 03:34.54 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by helix |
| 03:34.54 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 03:34.57 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 03:35.00 | helix | wtf |
| 03:35.06 | dvs | ha! |
| 03:35.11 | dvs | what the heck! |
| 03:35.19 | caphuso | helix 0 : chanserv 2 |
| 03:35.25 | deadcat | rage_: iptop |
| 03:35.30 | helix | well, I unopped myself on purpose |
| 03:35.31 | deadcat | rage_: i mean iptraf |
| 03:36.04 | helix | oh well |
| 03:36.17 | rage_ | deadcat: ta, I'll check it out :-) |
| 03:37.11 | deadcat | rage_: bwm and nload are ok as well. they dont do fancy stuff but very easy to view |
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| 03:37.33 | rage_ | cool :-) |
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| 03:37.36 | halo023 | how to install kde? |
| 03:37.42 | halo023 | after install debian? |
| 03:37.42 | oneo | hello all - i'm using inetutils-inetd as my ftp server and i just upgraded and my ftp server stopped responding ("it would say connected to [my ip] then connection failed")...so i check /etc/inetd.conf and it seemed that the ftp line was commented out...so i uncommented it and restarted the server but it still wont respond...does anyone know what else i could try? |
| 03:37.47 | deadcat | !kde |
| 03:37.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde is a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.0. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details. for woody check out http://www.apt-get.org/, or not a window manager |
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| 03:37.54 | halo023 | how to install kde? |
| 03:37.55 | rage_ | mmm, I can actually type again :-) I'm getting 3000ms pings to my home machine from here |
| 03:37.59 | halo023 | how to install kde |
| 03:38.03 | halo023 | after install debian |
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| 03:38.07 | deadcat | !tell halo023 about repeat |
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| 03:39.18 | kingsley_ | Which utility, if any, can convert a Microsoft ASF movie with a .avi extension into an mpeg movie that can be viewed by someone using an Apple Mac? |
| 03:40.15 | tabris|away | kingsley_: uh.. try mencoder? |
| 03:40.29 | spoopin | kingsley_: maybe mplayer/mencoder |
| 03:42.09 | deadcat | cls |
| 03:42.12 | deadcat | oops |
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| 03:43.05 | anto9us | gnome is misbehaving on me, I just did a find files, clicked stop in the dialog, it stopped responding, killed it and now the panel doesn't work, I'm running sarge, is this a known issue? |
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| 03:43.52 | inu | !bts |
| 03:43.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 03:44.00 | inu | anto9us, ^^ |
| 03:44.08 | sussudio | !tell inu about telling |
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| 03:45.30 | darkvader | anto9us: possible the killing was not done in a clean manner. check for processes waiting for signals to the main process you killed. i don't know if they are flagged as zoombies or orphans or whatever. |
| 03:46.32 | xsieve | New contributor wanting work -- signed up on sourceforge and savannah and am running into either lots of non-serious projects or very obscure ones |
| 03:46.45 | anto9us | darkvader: can I do that using ps? |
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| 03:47.14 | darkvader | anto9us: yep. ps axf i guess |
| 03:47.39 | xsieve | like "help improve indent" -- while probably worthy, seems like there's got to be something better than that |
| 03:47.48 | anto9us | what indicates 'waiting for signal' state? |
| 03:48.11 | poli | When I am trying to establish a HTB packet scheduler, when I create a filter with tc in eth0 and the machine is a nat for IPs in eth1, can I use a NATed IP in eth1 as "match ip src"? |
| 03:48.26 | mwilson | What in the world do you mean by "new contributor wanting work"? |
| 03:48.47 | xsieve | Looking to help write free software |
| 03:48.56 | caphuso | xsieve: and you can't find any way? |
| 03:49.07 | maher | xsieve: debian has a list of release critical bugs... |
| 03:49.32 | darkvader | anto9us: look for cluess. unless you have so many processes, it should be trivial. otherwise, just restart gnome instead of wasting time to look for the hanged process. |
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| 03:50.22 | xsieve | The savannah "contributor wanted" has a pretty obscure list. Guess you are saying I should dig through the debian web site to find how to setup and get started. |
| 03:50.41 | Mortalman | Quick Stupid Question: Who makes the fastest processors in the world? |
| 03:51.05 | maher | xsieve: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 03:51.26 | poli | Mortalman, Cray, probably, but single-processors architeture are becoming rarer each day |
| 03:51.29 | dvs | Mortalman, Intel in terms of clock speed |
| 03:51.37 | darkvader | AMD |
| 03:51.49 | Mortalman | I mean in overall clock speed on multi proc systems. |
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| 03:52.01 | Mortalman | Not actual speed. AMD has that. 8-) |
| 03:52.03 | poli | Mortalman, clock speed!=processing capacity, you know. |
| 03:52.12 | darkvader | big blue still has the fastest supercomp |
| 03:52.22 | bluefox83 | ok..for some reason my system has forgotten it's sound settings..how to i reset them? i'm using oss-alsa i believe.. |
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| 03:52.52 | Mortalman | No, I mean fastest clock speed for an individual proc made for multi proc systems. |
| 03:52.52 | dvs | bluefox83, It's either OSS or ALSA, not both |
| 03:53.12 | kingsley_ | bluefox83: I suggest trying a mixing application, like rexima, for example. |
| 03:53.13 | darkvader | Mortalman: google. |
| 03:53.19 | bluefox83 | dvs, i use an oss alsa wrapper so i can pipe stuff from alsa to oss |
| 03:53.44 | bluefox83 | like, xmms uses an oss output module |
| 03:53.51 | Mortalman | darkvader: I doubt those results, but I will give it a shot. |
| 03:54.44 | bluefox83 | kingsley_, i recall some sort of command that would test my sound setup and then play a sample sound file..you wouldn't happen to know what that was would you? |
| 03:54.54 | bluefox83 | it launched wiht a single command..been ages since i have used it.. |
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| 03:56.09 | kingsley_ | Unfortunately, the closest I can think of is Linux's sound howto file. |
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| 03:56.22 | kingsley_ | bluefox83: Unfortunately, the closest I can think of is Linux's sound howto file. |
| 03:56.29 | bluefox83 | yeah..i read that.. |
| 03:56.37 | darkvader | bluefox83: apt-cache search sound |
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| 03:59.52 | cinix | Anyone have some suggestions how I might install reiser4fs onto a new debian box? |
| 04:00.06 | simonrvn | why? |
| 04:00.15 | cinix | the only method I can think of is to install it on a different fs and then copy the files to a new partition, format, copy back |
| 04:00.25 | cinix | i'd like to try it out |
| 04:00.56 | maher | cinix: just test it on a spare partition |
| 04:01.11 | anto9us | how do I log out of gnome cleanly without access to the menu? |
| 04:01.44 | Darien | cleanly? |
| 04:01.50 | Darien | I just do Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
| 04:01.55 | anto9us | without killing X |
| 04:02.09 | caphuso | Darien: that's not cleanly |
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| 04:02.14 | Darien | killall gnome-session |
| 04:02.21 | cinix | maher, yea good idea. duh, thanks |
| 04:02.45 | Darien | that will cause gnome-session to terminate, which should send the proper signals where they need to go, and everything should clean itself up |
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| 04:03.35 | bluefox83 | where are th elogs of boot sequences? |
| 04:03.39 | bluefox83 | *the logs |
| 04:04.05 | Quag7 | Can someone tell me a decent package that will allow me to dial out from here on a modem? |
| 04:04.10 | Quag7 | say, to a dial-up BBS? |
| 04:04.21 | bluefox83 | i want to see what it is that's suppose to check for sound settings |
| 04:05.27 | maher | Quag7: something with ppp in its name? |
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| 04:06.09 | kasper | quag7, minicom |
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| 04:06.25 | Quag7 | Thanks kasper |
| 04:06.27 | Quag7 | that'd do it |
| 04:06.32 | bluefox83 | how do you reset system audio settings when you are using alsa/ |
| 04:06.35 | bluefox83 | ? |
| 04:06.51 | maher | bluefox83: aumix? |
| 04:06.58 | Quag7 | thanks for the suggestion, maher, as well |
| 04:07.02 | rectum | apt-get install alsamixergui |
| 04:08.39 | kingsley_ | apt-get install is hung... |
| 04:08.53 | rectum | really |
| 04:08.59 | rectum | how hung? |
| 04:09.04 | rectum | 9 inches |
| 04:09.06 | rectum | 10? |
| 04:09.15 | rectum | more than 10? |
| 04:09.23 | rectum | wow, that IS hung |
| 04:09.25 | bluefox83 | damnit..alsa is using the wrong card... |
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| 04:09.39 | rectum | bluefox83: su -c alsaconf |
| 04:09.46 | rectum | pick the right card |
| 04:09.49 | rectum | ;) |
| 04:09.51 | xsieve | Okay, this is great -- debian seems to favor email lists than "help wanted" on sourceforge-style collab tool |
| 04:09.59 | bluefox83 | alsaconf! that's what i wanted!!! |
| 04:10.26 | xsieve | And the packages needing maintainers, etc seems well documented -- tons easier than picking through long project lists on sourceforge |
| 04:10.26 | kingsley_ | I just aborted apt-get and restarted it. It ran for a while and the hung again. I suspect the package server has a problem, like being overloaded. |
| 04:10.37 | kingsley_ | s/the /then / |
| 04:10.41 | rectum | where does it get stuck kingsley_ |
| 04:10.53 | rectum | trying to connect to server? |
| 04:10.56 | rectum | try a diff server |
| 04:11.15 | indigirl1 | accidentally i replaced windowmaker's menus with an empty menu. can i ever have a normal menu (and a normal life) again? |
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| 04:11.53 | kingsley_ | It's currently stuck 22% of the way through downloading libavcodeccvs. |
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| 04:12.07 | maher | indigirl1: how did you replace the window? (hanging out in #debian won't get you a normal life) |
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| 04:12.23 | rectum | lol |
| 04:12.24 | maher | indigirl1: s/window/menu/ |
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| 04:12.26 | rectum | what maher said |
| 04:13.01 | kingsley_ | I just aborted apt-get and restarted it agin. It downloaded another 4% of libavcodeccvs before hanging again. |
| 04:13.13 | rectum | kingsley_: try a different server |
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| 04:14.27 | indigirl1 | maher: under Window Maker Preferences->Applications Menu Definition a popup asked to replace the menu. i answered Yes |
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| 04:15.36 | rectum | if windowmaker uses the debian menu, you can try update-menus on console |
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| 04:15.58 | rectum | i have never used that wm |
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| 04:16.05 | indigirl1 | rectum: i tried. update-menus didn't fix |
| 04:16.19 | kingsley_ | Where's a list of debian package servers? |
| 04:16.26 | rectum | kingsley_: try apt-setup |
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| 04:16.43 | rectum | pick http instead of ftp, at least for me http works better than ftp |
| 04:16.48 | rectum | faster |
| 04:16.59 | maher | indigirl1: http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2001/March/msg00456.html <-- does that help? |
| 04:17.30 | kingsley_ | rectum: I don't have apt-setup. |
| 04:17.37 | simonrvn | bullshit |
| 04:17.41 | Guerin | kingsley_: not in woody |
| 04:18.09 | rectum | lol |
| 04:18.13 | rectum | simonrvn: ;) |
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| 04:20.09 | mwilson | evocrap depends on dbus now? |
| 04:20.23 | Darien | does anyone else have problems with udev? |
| 04:20.26 | maher | mwilson: don't miss dbus! |
| 04:20.26 | indigirl1 | maher: yes it fixed. was that a google? |
| 04:20.33 | maher | indigirl1: yes |
| 04:20.41 | rectum | kingsley_: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace every occuring of 'stable' with testing and/or every occurance of 'woody' with 'sarge' and save, then do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 04:20.42 | Darien | whenever I get it installed it deletes the vast majority of /dev and I end up with no /dev/null, etc. |
| 04:20.43 | mwilson | maher: Why? I certainly have no use for it on any of my boxen. |
| 04:20.53 | mwilson | Darien: That's what it's supposed to do. |
| 04:20.56 | Darien | so installing GNOME breaks my system horribly until I remove udev |
| 04:20.57 | Darien | ok |
| 04:21.05 | indigirl1 | maher: what search terms? |
| 04:21.06 | rectum | kingsley_: presuming you wish to use sarge instead of woody |
| 04:21.09 | kingsley_ | rectum: I use unstable. |
| 04:21.13 | maher | mwilson: that was a joke - don't miss dbus = the bus |
| 04:21.16 | Darien | so it's like a modern 'break all my shit' daemon |
| 04:21.31 | maher | indigirl1: debian windowmaker menu rebuild |
| 04:21.38 | rectum | heh |
| 04:21.40 | rectum | boxen |
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| 04:21.46 | kingsley_ | rectum: I need someone who uses unstable to cut and paste a line from their /etc/apt/sources.list here. |
| 04:21.58 | mwilson | Well, I guess there won't be any more fiddling with evocrap... too bad, it's not all that bad of an imap client. |
| 04:22.04 | rectum | i don't use unstable |
| 04:22.07 | maher | kingsley_: # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy |
| 04:22.10 | rectum | and unstable doesn't have apt-setup |
| 04:22.11 | rectum | ? |
| 04:22.13 | rectum | how can that be |
| 04:22.26 | indigirl1 | isn't there a webpage to create a sources.list? |
| 04:22.34 | mwilson | indigirl1: No. |
| 04:22.42 | mwilson | kingsley_: Here you go --> deb http://src.braincells.com/debian sid/ |
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| 04:23.00 | kingsley_ | maher & mwilson: Thanks. |
| 04:23.01 | mwilson | kingsley_: I have no idea what a random line out of sources.list will do you, but there you go. |
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| 04:25.12 | kingsley_ | mwilson: I need to use a different package server. My old one is faltering. |
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| 04:25.31 | mwilson | I'm sure you think so. |
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| 04:26.18 | peterS | "evocrap" - that name is almost as creative and witty as "microshaft" |
| 04:26.42 | Darien | but it doesn't have a cute abbreviation like 'M$' |
| 04:26.43 | rectum | Macrohard Doors |
| 04:26.48 | peterS | true |
| 04:26.49 | rectum | instead of Microsoft Windows |
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| 04:26.56 | rectum | i think that is quite witty |
| 04:27.04 | dabreegster | Phated: Hey, don't get too excited about H2G2. I saw it just now and it wasn't that great. Imagining the books your own way is better. Even the old TV shows are superior. (If you find those on bittorent or wherever, let me know. ;) |
| 04:27.04 | muaddib | Has anyone ever had problems updating a package to a later release that is avaliable on a public debian mirror. I am trying to update some stuff but apt-get upgrade says I am at the latest release but when I check packages.debian.org I see a some new packages What up with that |
| 04:27.23 | Hellkat | I have a sony vaio pcg-frv26 and I have just installed 2.6.8 (from 2.4) and now it doesnt recognise my ethernet card, any siggestions? |
| 04:27.24 | peterS | rectum: maybe it would be if it weren't a perversion of the name 'microsoft'. changing their name for derogatory purposes is *so* old hat, there's no way to make it funny anymore |
| 04:27.34 | poker-dude | hi ppls...anyone know of a vnc client that scales for unix? I hate using scrollbars when i vnc into my insecure windows machine |
| 04:27.34 | dabreegster | muaddib: did you apt-get update? |
| 04:27.37 | peterS | muaddib: where did you expect to download it from then? |
| 04:27.41 | rectum | peterS: well said |
| 04:27.46 | kingsley_ | http://http.us.debian.org/debian seems to be working nicely, at least so far. |
| 04:27.47 | dabreegster | muaddib: and make sure your sources.list is correct |
| 04:27.55 | peterS | muaddib: oh, I misread your question, sorry |
| 04:28.03 | xoz | muaddib: synchronizatio and mirror update may have delays. |
| 04:28.07 | Guerin | peterS: I suppose you disapprove of DeadRat and Boydrake and LuSE as well... |
| 04:28.28 | peterS | Guerin: I hadn't heard the latter two, but I can tell you with authority that they sound old and worn even the first time I hear them |
| 04:28.37 | Guerin | haha |
| 04:28.43 | mwilson | peterS: I think if Gnome ever released a well-written application, the world would die of shock. |
| 04:28.52 | maher | Guerin: so what's the pejorative term for debian |
| 04:29.07 | kingsley_ | muaddib: I suggegst "apt-cache policy <package-name>" |
| 04:29.07 | Guerin | maher: good question. |
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| 04:29.19 | peterS | doobie-an? implies something about people who develop it, perhaps? |
| 04:29.21 | Guerin | maher: Well, there's the whole Stale, Old and Broken saw |
| 04:29.27 | muaddib | zox: I'm using http.us.debian.org I don't understand why packages and this site is off |
| 04:29.42 | muaddib | xoz: sorry post above for yah |
| 04:29.50 | mwilson | muaddib: Does anyone get to know whether you're running stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 04:29.54 | peterS | muaddib: http.us.debian.org is actually several machines. any one of them could go out of sync for any random adminsitrative reason |
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| 04:30.01 | xoz | muaddib: im having problem with update right now. maybe, try some other time. |
| 04:30.24 | muaddib | dabreegster: Sorry I didn't include that part in my post but I did do that part first :) |
| 04:30.24 | wilbertoki | general wifi question - if I have a powerful antenna transmitting over a long distance, but the signal is strong and clients can pick it up far away, but will their weaker laptop pc card signals be strong enough to make it to the AP? |
| 04:30.43 | muaddib | dabreegster: Yes my source.list is correct |
| 04:30.52 | muaddib | BTW I AM using the SPARC distro |
| 04:30.54 | rectum | what is the irc client of choice? |
| 04:31.11 | muaddib | peterS: do you have a recommedation for a mirror |
| 04:31.17 | mwilson | muaddib: <sigh> Again, are you using stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 04:31.20 | Neverm1nd | Does anyone know how to fix the problem where debian sarge net install freezes at "loading module 'ide-disk' for 'linux ATA DISK'" at 84%? |
| 04:31.42 | muaddib | mwilson: unstable |
| 04:31.46 | peterS | muaddib: http.us.debian.org should be good most of the time. what package are you trying to upgrade, and what version? |
| 04:32.03 | kingsley_ | Neverm1nd: Have you search google's web and usenet archives for the exact error phrase? |
| 04:32.05 | mwilson | muaddib: And does anyone get to know the name of the package you think you're having a problem with? |
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| 04:32.24 | Neverm1nd | kingsley_: yes |
| 04:32.29 | maher | Guerin: dumbian |
| 04:32.30 | muaddib | mwilison: perl |
| 04:32.31 | peery | anyone have any advice on installing debian on a SATA disk? |
| 04:32.31 | Shorty` | anyone know what package IPv4.pm is in? |
| 04:32.34 | Neverm1nd | kingsley_: for about an hour |
| 04:32.38 | Guerin | maher: heh |
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| 04:32.48 | kingsley_ | Neverm1nd: What did you find? |
| 04:32.58 | peterS | muaddib: so you want perl 5.8.4-8 or so? or what? |
| 04:33.01 | peery | I tried installing SID but it didn't recognize the disks, think it has something to do with using a 2.4 kernel |
| 04:33.06 | Neverm1nd | Similar problems with no solutions |
| 04:33.10 | mwilson | muaddib: And what perl do you have installed at the moment? |
| 04:33.14 | Guerin | peery: what disks? |
| 04:33.20 | maher | peery: try installing testing with 2.6 |
| 04:33.26 | kingsley_ | Neverm1nd: Which server are you trying to install from? |
| 04:33.34 | Neverm1nd | The only solution I found was try a daily build, that still didn't work |
| 04:33.42 | xsieve | wilbertoki: doesn't speed generally decrease as signal strength diminishes, to the point you have no useful signal? What kind of distances are we talking? and what barriers? |
| 04:33.42 | peery | maher: how do i do that easily, all the install CDs seem to want to use 2.4 |
| 04:33.46 | muaddib | mwilson: 5.8.4-8 is the one I want to upgrade but the one that is currently on my system and that it says is uptodate is 5.8.4-2 |
| 04:33.55 | Neverm1nd | I dont even get to choose a server, it just locks up right on the load |
| 04:33.59 | peery | Guerin: it's a dell with a SATA disk |
| 04:34.03 | maher | peery: press tab or f3 or something - try reading the install guide |
| 04:34.04 | Guerin | peery: when you boot it says to push F1 for more options. I suggest you do so. |
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| 04:34.10 | peterS | muaddib: 'apt-cache show perl' shows only 5.8.4-2 then? |
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| 04:34.34 | peterS | muaddib: it *should* show both 5.8.4-2 and 5.8.4-8 in separate stanzas |
| 04:34.36 | muaddib | peterS: yup |
| 04:34.39 | kingsley_ | Neverm1nd: Does your computer have SCSI drives? |
| 04:34.59 | Neverm1nd | nope, regular old IDE |
| 04:35.03 | peery | maher: ahhhh... I completely forgot that you could do that |
| 04:35.03 | Tourinho | hi again... What sould I enable on .config to support SATA driver besides Inter PIXX ?? |
| 04:35.10 | peterS | muaddib: hrrm, works for me. repeat the 'apt-get update' |
| 04:35.18 | muaddib | peterS: my bad it does show the perl 5.8.4-8 |
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| 04:35.32 | Guerin | Tourinho: depends on your sata controller |
| 04:35.37 | mwilson | ooo, new tkremind |
| 04:35.45 | peterS | muaddib: so, 'apt-get install perl' or, as I prefer, 'aptitude install perl' |
| 04:35.54 | stew | Tourinho: have you tried one of the debian compilied kernels? |
| 04:36.27 | Tourinho | Guerin -> IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 04) |
| 04:36.35 | Levande1 | Some of these icons in the gnome panel, if the program they're running for is already running, when I click on them, I just want them to pull the window for that application up. Don't want them to start a new instance. Any way to do this? |
| 04:36.43 | muaddib | peterS: when I do so it returns is already the newest version. |
| 04:36.49 | xoz | muaddib: seems the site is working now |
| 04:36.54 | peterS | muaddib: and 'dpkg -l perl' shows what version? still 5.8.4-2? |
| 04:36.59 | Tourinho | stew yep.. but didnt work too |
| 04:37.06 | stew | Tourinho: didn't work how? |
| 04:37.09 | Tourinho | stew so Im trying to recompile the kernel |
| 04:37.22 | muaddib | ii perl 5.8.4-2 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language. |
| 04:37.23 | Tourinho | stew: got erro "uname to mount root fs..." |
| 04:37.40 | stew | Tourinho: did your bootloader know aobut the initrd? |
| 04:37.53 | Tourinho | stew yep... |
| 04:37.56 | wilbertoki | xsieve: I am trying to bring wifi to a river |
| 04:37.57 | peterS | muaddib: something strange going on on your machine. have you played with package pinning or anything? (/etc/apt/apt.conf) |
| 04:38.10 | kingsley_ | Neverm1nd: I don't know. Perhaps adding the keywords "worked | fixed" to your google search will locate a winner or asking on #debian-devel will help. |
| 04:38.22 | wilbertoki | xsieve: dsl connected main nodes that feed a few relay stations |
| 04:38.25 | Tourinho | stew well.. Ill try another guess... brb |
| 04:38.34 | muaddib | peterS: no but this machine has been offline for about 3 months and we just brought it back online last week |
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| 04:39.42 | muaddib | peterS: this is what is in my sources.list file deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 04:40.00 | xsieve | wilbertoki: I have seen new laptop cards that claim longer distances. And I have seen add-on antennas you can purchase that give you a plus so many dB gain that's as easy as using them. |
| 04:40.14 | peterS | muaddib: nothing wrong with that line. I don't know why it's reporting that you have the newest version. |
| 04:40.37 | peterS | muaddib: 5.8.4-2 was superceded back in September of last year, so certainly there's no reason a mirror wouldn't have anything newer (: |
| 04:40.45 | xsieve | I personally use a ethernet bridge instead of a cardbus adapter because linux and cardbus adapter's don't mix well |
| 04:40.57 | stew | huh? |
| 04:40.59 | xsieve | for wireless that is |
| 04:41.18 | muaddib | peterS: thanks... for trying' |
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| 04:41.54 | _terr | I've got a glitch in a sarge net install - no X11. /usr/bin/X11 does not exist. What package am I missing? |
| 04:41.55 | peterS | muaddib: you're on the machine right now, so you can cut/paste things? if so I'd like to just verify a couple of things.. |
| 04:42.06 | stouset | _terr: x-window-system-core |
| 04:42.07 | maher | _terr: run tasksel |
| 04:42.07 | _terr | xfree86-common is installed. |
| 04:42.15 | peterS | muaddib: it's not that I don't believe you about your setup, but this problem is just too weird |
| 04:42.18 | muaddib | peterS: go ahead |
| 04:42.24 | _terr | maher ok. |
| 04:42.29 | peterS | muaddib: ok, /join #flood. we don't want to flood #debian |
| 04:42.32 | muaddib | peterS: what would you like to see |
| 04:42.44 | muaddib | peterS: I am there |
| 04:42.56 | Cyis | don't apt-get and dpkg update the same available package database file? |
| 04:43.15 | stouset | Cyis: apt-get is a frontend for dpkg |
| 04:43.19 | mwilson | Cyis: No. |
| 04:43.27 | stouset | mwilson: erm, it isn't? |
| 04:43.35 | stew | stouset: nope |
| 04:43.40 | stouset | Well I'll be damned. |
| 04:43.46 | stew | stouset: libapt |
| 04:43.47 | Cyis | just annoying that to use 'dpkg --print-avail <package>' I need to load dselect and do an update after doing an apt-get update |
| 04:43.48 | mwilson | stouset: What isnt' what? |
| 04:43.53 | stouset | mwilson: nm |
| 04:44.06 | stouset | Cyis: ah, yes, buggy dselect :-) |
| 04:44.11 | stouset | Cyis: Might I recommend aptitude? |
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| 04:44.17 | caphuso | Cyis: run "dselect update" instead of "apt-get update". problem solved |
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| 04:44.37 | Cyis | I typically just 'apt-get install <packages>' |
| 04:44.43 | caphuso | stouset: bullshit, it's apt-get that's broken |
| 04:45.11 | stouset | caphuso: blasphemy, apt-get is perfect in every regard :-( |
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| 04:45.20 | mwilson | apt-get isn't broken, it does exactly what it's supposed to. Clueless people, however, think it's some magical package-management tool. |
| 04:45.20 | stouset | !troll stouset |
| 04:45.21 | caphuso | there's virtually no reason why apt-get update couldn't update the available file |
| 04:45.25 | _terr | maher: I think I know what happened... when I ran it before I didn't press the space bar because I thought it was already ticked off. Then I got part of it in because I installed kde and synaptic. |
| 04:45.53 | mwilson | This is what happens when tools created as demonstrations take on lives of their own. |
| 04:46.17 | _terr | mwilson: parts of apt upgrade in sarge is broken. I've reported it to the lists. |
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| 04:46.28 | ideal | Hi, how can I mount Combo drive? According to 'dmesg': hdb: HL-DT-STCD-RW/DVD DRIVE GCC-4243N, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 04:46.28 | _terr | mwilson: I havn't heard backmind you. |
| 04:46.33 | Cyis | mwilson: if apt-get had an "info on available packages" option I wouldn't need dselect :) |
| 04:46.42 | mwilson | _terr: Whatever "reported it to the lists" is supposed to mean. |
| 04:46.50 | stouset | ideal: mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /media/mountpoint/ |
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| 04:47.12 | kingsley_ | The slow server turned out to be http://debian.uni-klu.ac.at |
| 04:47.24 | _terr | mwilson: means I reported it as a bug and talked to one of hte maintainers and he suggested sending a email to that mail list |
| 04:47.56 | ideal | stouset: I tried, but failed. "mount: /dev/hdb is not a valid block device" |
| 04:47.56 | mrwill | well, my computer science departments server with my work on it just crashed, so now I come bumbling into #debian |
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| 04:49.05 | _terr | mrwill: why would it do that? I've not had a crash in years. |
| 04:49.25 | _terr | mrwill: what do they run on it? |
| 04:49.34 | mrwill | _terr: usually it's some kind of interruption to the power that causes this. |
| 04:49.48 | _terr | mrwill: I presume they have a UPS at least |
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| 04:50.07 | mrwill | _terr: they have a ups, but if the breaker fails, the continuous lack of power will get it after a while. |
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| 04:50.41 | Tourinho | stew: I just tried to install kernel images by apt get.. and the boot halt after "uncompressing linux...", so I put acpi=off and after I had ".. not syncing: attempted to kill init", any suggest? |
| 04:50.42 | _terr | mrwill: well - I don't know why a breaker should trip - I haven't had one trip in years |
| 04:50.46 | stouset | ideal: is there something in the drive? |
| 04:51.07 | mrwill | _terr: I wish you ran this machine, then. |
| 04:51.07 | stew | Tourinho: dunno, sorry |
| 04:51.23 | _terr | mrwill: I can set up a server for you. |
| 04:51.27 | ideal | stouset: It works well in Windows XP. |
| 04:51.33 | Tourinho | stew well.. thanks anyway :D |
| 04:51.43 | mrwill | _terr: nah, I can't hire you, I'm just a student. |
| 04:51.52 | _terr | mrwill: why put your work on their machine - you obviously hve one you are using now. |
| 04:52.26 | ideal | stouset: Before it, I can mount normal DVD or CD easy, but Combo. |
| 04:52.38 | mrwill | _terr: yeah, no kidding, local compiler toolchain too... but I like to use 'screen' a lot -- keeps all the work on the server organized. |
| 04:53.09 | mrwill | _terr: there isn't a great reason, but the server doesn't crash that often... it's not something I expected to happen. |
| 04:53.18 | mrwill | _terr: lucky thing I'd saved my work. |
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| 04:54.59 | SteveWrightNZ | I have installed a replacement kernel in /boot and the modules in /lib/modules, and done the lilo thang, and it works, except for no console ! The target system uses devfsd where the kernel came from a non-devfsd system.. why no console ? |
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| 04:56.33 | De_Mon | how do I find dubdomains with dig? |
| 04:56.37 | stouset | SteveWrightNZ: why not just use a packaged kernel? |
| 04:56.38 | De_Mon | subdomains? |
| 04:56.57 | _terr | mrwill: I'd just use rsync and I'd install what I need locally. |
| 04:56.58 | SteveWrightNZ | stouset: because its on an embedded system - no room to do that |
| 04:56.58 | Solet | the answer is prolly 'no' but: has anyone ever heard of an addon to xfree86 that adds voice recognition/handsfree login? |
| 04:57.12 | peterS | no |
| 04:57.24 | peterS | sorry, I mean 'no' |
| 04:57.25 | _terr | mrwill: of course I have 4 servers here and one doubles as a desktop |
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| 04:57.38 | stouset | SteveWrightNZ: Fair enough. Can you try a packaged one, just for shits and giggles, for testing purposes? |
| 04:57.50 | Solet | peterS: :P |
| 04:57.53 | mrwill | _terr: rsync is not a bad idea, I wish I'd done that. |
| 04:57.56 | stouset | SteveWrightNZ: Or is there not enough room for that? :-) |
| 04:57.57 | SteveWrightNZ | no, because then I have to install apt, and it wont fit |
| 04:58.06 | SteveWrightNZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.13 | stouset | SteveWrightNZ: Ah, damn. =\ |
| 04:58.30 | stouset | Anything in dmesg? |
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| 04:58.40 | SteveWrightNZ | cant get to dmesg |
| 04:58.44 | SteveWrightNZ | no console ! |
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| 04:59.01 | stouset | No serial console either? =\ |
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| 04:59.13 | SteveWrightNZ | meh, no serial cable 8-/ |
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| 04:59.40 | stouset | SteveWrightNZ: So in other words, the only thing we can possibly know is that the screen won't come on |
| 04:59.42 | stouset | :-) |
| 04:59.48 | SteveWrightNZ | stealing a kernel from elsewhere works fine - but I am thinking there is a difference between a devfs kernel |
| 05:00.02 | SteveWrightNZ | the screen works up to a point |
| 05:00.03 | De_Mon | how can I go about finding all the subdomains registered for, say google.com? |
| 05:00.06 | cafuego | woot |
| 05:00.19 | stouset | SteveWright: aah...you get output, but no login session? |
| 05:00.24 | SteveWrightNZ | yeah |
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| 05:00.47 | SteveWrightNZ | hrm, /me checks inittab |
| 05:00.49 | PEACEYALL | can i get a kernel from apt-get? |
| 05:00.53 | stouset | SteveWrightNZ: Hm...that's what I was about to say. |
| 05:01.02 | De_Mon | PEACEYALL yes you can get images and source packages |
| 05:01.03 | stouset | peaceyall: that is the preferred way |
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| 05:01.23 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 05:01.28 | cafuego | Gibson OS 3.6 (GENERIC) #59: Fri Sep 17 12:32:57 MDT 2004; Welcome to Teh Gibson. Please do not access the Garbage File. |
| 05:01.36 | freewoody | How do I assign 2 different IPs for a single Nic card ? |
| 05:01.45 | cafuego | freewoody: use eth0 and eth0:0 |
| 05:02.03 | freewoody | eth0:0 and eth0:1 |
| 05:02.05 | freewoody | ? |
| 05:02.07 | PEACEYALL | stouset wat if i want to get a pre compiled kernel , where do i get it from? |
| 05:02.09 | Guerin | !cafuego++ |
| 05:02.18 | cafuego | freewoody: Which part of eth0 and eth0:0 was unclear? |
| 05:02.22 | SteveWrightNZ | freewoody: simply add them |
| 05:02.29 | cafuego | Guerin: the openbsd honeypot lives! ;-) |
| 05:02.38 | SteveWrightNZ | `ip address add 192.168.1.1/24 dev eth0` |
| 05:02.40 | stouset | peaceyall: apt. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 (or -otherarch, if you don't have a 686) |
| 05:02.46 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 05:02.56 | SteveWrightNZ | freewoody: and then add another if you like |
| 05:02.57 | cafuego | Guerin: It even has /root/.garbage/Suspicious\ File |
| 05:03.09 | stouset | cafuego: haha |
| 05:03.13 | freewoody | How do I get my Squid proxy server to listen to all the connections in a Open Transparent way ? |
| 05:03.20 | Guerin | cafuego: hah, pwned |
| 05:03.33 | Guerin | freewoody: as opposed to...? |
| 05:03.33 | SteveWrightNZ | freewoody: redirect with iptables |
| 05:03.35 | freewoody | right now, all that I can do is to see the squid connection in port 3128 |
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| 05:03.49 | stouset | freewoody: use iptables on the firewall to reroute all HTTP traffic through the proxy? |
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| 05:04.10 | cafuego | freewoody: make iptables redirect http traffic through squid and TELL SQUID it is a transparent proxy. |
| 05:04.31 | cafuego | freewoody: The squid config file is very well documented, it's not hard. |
| 05:04.42 | freewoody | cafuego, how do I do that ? |
| 05:05.07 | cafuego | freewoody: /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/* will help you. |
| 05:05.13 | SteveWrightNZ | freewoody: google a howto using the keywords we have given you |
| 05:05.35 | freewoody | What is the command to do thatcd html |
| 05:05.36 | freewoody | dir |
| 05:05.37 | cafuego | The howto is already on the syste, |
| 05:05.58 | freewoody | thanks |
| 05:07.27 | PEACEYALL | stouset is there 2.6.10 for 386? |
| 05:08.01 | cafuego | shite |
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| 05:08.12 | stouset | peaceyall: AFAIK 2.6 is unsupported on 386 |
| 05:08.36 | PEACEYALL | oh ;/ i have 2.6.8 :/ |
| 05:08.53 | PEACEYALL | 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 05:09.23 | stouset | peaceyall: hmm...I know I'd read it somewhere, but it may have been 286? |
| 05:09.39 | stouset | peaceyall: anyways, if you're running sarge, I don't believe 2.6.10 is in Sarge yet. It's in unstable. |
| 05:09.40 | PEACEYALL | nop |
| 05:09.49 | PEACEYALL | oh samn |
| 05:09.53 | PEACEYALL | damn* then |
| 05:10.13 | atrus | hm. on the two-interfaces question: is it possible to make eth0:0 have a different hw/mac address? or would it be possible to change that at the dhcp client level (dhclient in this case) |
| 05:11.16 | stouset | atrus: man interfaces |
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| 05:11.43 | Teal`c_ | bought a 1/2 oz of some fine weed, who wants to get high with me ? |
| 05:11.52 | stouset | !troll Teal`c |
| 05:11.58 | freewoody | My box is running a Squid proxy server ? |
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| 05:12.12 | stouset | freewoody: is it? |
| 05:12.19 | freewoody | How do I make all the traffic in a transparent way |
| 05:12.23 | atrus | stouset: doh. |
| 05:12.24 | dabreegster | Teal`c_: Go listen to some psychedelic trance and stare at cthugha or acidwarp. |
| 05:12.31 | stouset | freewoody: that's been answered for you |
| 05:12.34 | dabreegster | Teal`c_: Same effect and it's legal. |
| 05:12.39 | stouset | atrus: :-) |
| 05:12.45 | freewoody | WEll I don't seem to digest it at all :D |
| 05:13.18 | Teal`c_ | no, got some coding to do tonight, no time for music |
| 05:13.18 | atrus | stouset: sorry, i guess i assumed it couldn't possibly be that easy :) |
| 05:13.18 | stouset | freewoody: you want clients to not have to be set up to use the proxy, no? |
| 05:13.18 | dabreegster | Teal`c_: listen in the background. it can help. |
| 05:13.18 | freewoody | Yes |
| 05:13.18 | stouset | atrus: indeed it is :-) |
| 05:13.42 | freewoody | My box is already configured in the Network to act as a proxy server |
| 05:13.43 | stouset | freewoody: so, on the firewall, set it up so when any IP address other than the squid proxy requests a webpage, have the firewall redirect the request to the proxy server. |
| 05:14.01 | freewoody | Well how do I do that ? |
| 05:14.09 | freewoody | I am very new to firewalls |
| 05:14.17 | stouset | freewoody: google iptables transparent squid proxy? |
| 05:15.25 | atrus | stouset: hmm.. "SIOCSIFHWADDR: Device or resource busy" |
| 05:15.36 | atrus | stouset: on ifup. no such issue before the hwaddress. |
| 05:15.41 | stouset | atrus: >.< |
| 05:16.16 | stouset | Try doing it manually with ifconfig, once? |
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| 05:18.08 | atrus | stouset: "ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 hw ether 00:00:B4:8E:3B:45" -> "SIOCSIFHWADDR: Device or resource busy" |
| 05:18.25 | stouset | then it may not be that easy :-( |
| 05:18.34 | stouset | Try setting both the hwaddresses manually, to the same one? |
| 05:19.23 | atrus | stouset: well i want to have them have different hwaddresses. and this is the router i'm currently using, so i don't want to play with the main interface live :) |
| 05:19.30 | stouset | stouset: in fact, now that I think about it, having one NIC with two MAC addresses might not be possible from a networking perspective =\ |
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| 05:20.08 | stouset | atrus: but I could be wrong. There are two possibilities really: the hardware you have doesn't support it, or it's not something that is possible to do |
| 05:20.32 | atrus | hm. i'm pretty sure my ISP assigns dhcp addresses by mac address, so having two interfaces trying to get dhcp with the same mac might be unreliable at best |
| 05:21.36 | stouset | atrus: no, it will work at best :-) it's unreliable at worst *grin* |
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| 05:22.16 | freewoody | Oh god, these IPTABLES is not working for me |
| 05:22.19 | atrus | stouset: ah, but i qualified that with "might be", making the entire statement deductively meaningless. |
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| 05:22.32 | stouset | No! |
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| 05:23.20 | denon | stupid questions today .. but isnt tun/tap built into the current standard 2.6 debian kernel? |
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| 05:23.28 | denon | (using the new installer) |
| 05:23.29 | lispy | i installed kpovmodeler the other day, which installed a few kde things. I rebooted my computer and now I can't use startx, but if I can login using gdm. Any ideas? |
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| 05:23.53 | jrr | waht's in your .xinitrc? |
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| 05:24.11 | lispy | jrr: a few rxvt's and a line to start enlightenment |
| 05:24.15 | kuonSama | hello |
| 05:24.21 | lispy | jrr: but it has not changed during this process |
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| 05:24.41 | lispy | jrr: and when i login using gdm it reads it (.xinitrc is symlinked to .xsession) |
| 05:24.44 | kuonSama | in debian, I got strange "square with little digits in it" that replace some accent |
| 05:24.48 | kuonSama | why that? |
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| 05:25.14 | lispy | kuonSama: you may not have the right font |
| 05:25.14 | jrr | kuonSama: i see the squares in place of some unicode stuff |
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| 05:25.43 | kuonSama | I got the font |
| 05:25.47 | kuonSama | but the char is unicode |
| 05:26.26 | ttol | ±×°Ô Ÿî¶§Œ¿ä |
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| 05:27.33 | atrus | stouset: just for kicks i tried bringing up eth0:0 on dhcp without a hardware address, and eth0 died, needing to be re-dhcp'd. |
| 05:27.49 | lispy | jrr: i take that back, the symlink got deleted some how, i restored it and things work again. Very strange |
| 05:28.01 | Levander | is a "project" in cvs just a directory in the repository? don't see any way to create projects in a cvs repository |
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| 05:28.18 | jrr | lispy: glad i could be of (marginal) assitance |
| 05:28.50 | lispy | Levander: i would advise strongly against using cvs for new projects, darcs is good, and there are other things like tla and svn |
| 05:28.53 | lispy | jrr: yeah, thanks! |
| 05:29.08 | cafuego | or try bitkeeper |
| 05:29.18 | Levander | lispy: i wanted to use svn, but all my hosting company provides is a cvs client. |
| 05:29.27 | jrr | cvs is kinda the standard |
| 05:29.29 | chealer | hum, opportunity for a new war factoid? |
| 05:29.30 | Levander | want to do auto-updates onto my web site |
| 05:29.43 | peterS | for small stuff cvs still works as well as it ever did |
| 05:29.55 | peterS | the only problem with it is that we're blessed with better choices these days |
| 05:29.55 | Levander | peterS: yeah, it could be better, but it'll work |
| 05:30.22 | Levander | so, how does cvs implement the idea of a project in it's repository? having trouble find this in the docs |
| 05:31.06 | Levander | or, should i just create one repository for each project? with the "cvs init" command |
| 05:31.08 | peterS | it's kind of confusing. mainly it's just a subdirectory of the repository |
| 05:31.25 | cafuego | dpkg, start a repository war is <reply> (svn|darcs|rcs) is infinitely superior to (cvs|tla|emacs)! |
| 05:31.26 | dpkg | cafuego: okay |
| 05:31.35 | peterS | I'm not sure why cvs makes the distinction of 'projects' because for the most part they act just like subdirectories in any other context in cvs |
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| 05:32.05 | SirK | squid in httpd_accel mode, is there a reason it wouldnt be looking at siblings i've configured ? theres bugger all in the logs about icp/anything to do with peers. very odd. |
| 05:32.06 | chealer | cafuego: haha, emacs found its way in there? :D |
| 05:32.13 | jrr | !start a repository war |
| 05:32.14 | dpkg | rcs is infinitely superior to tla! |
| 05:32.21 | Levander | peterS: so how does the log work? is it like svn where when you check something in the revision of every file gets bumped up (or, really the revision of the project itself)? |
| 05:32.24 | cafuego | chealer: it does everything else, surely it can manage project source |
| 05:32.25 | caphuso | that's a lame war factoid |
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| 05:32.29 | caphuso | cafuego: no |
| 05:32.35 | cafuego | what a POS |
| 05:32.40 | jrr | can anyone redefine his wars? |
| 05:32.43 | peterS | Levander: cvs has per-file revision numbers, not a per-project one like svn |
| 05:32.47 | caphuso | what it does have is frontends to things that do |
| 05:32.50 | cafuego | dpkg, no start a repository war is <reply> (svn|darcs|rcs) is infinitely superior to (cvs|tla|bitkeeper)! |
| 05:32.51 | dpkg | cafuego: okay |
| 05:32.52 | Levander | but mainly, people just have one repository, and check *everything* in that repository? |
| 05:32.53 | peterS | jrr: yes. I call it botsturbation |
| 05:32.59 | Levander | but use subdirectories? |
| 05:33.21 | peterS | Levander: yeah, cvs is mainly a per-file and per-directory beast anyway. not like svn, which considers a whole repository to have a meaning |
| 05:33.22 | jrr | there should be a syntax to choose item 1 and item 2 from the same set |
| 05:33.27 | cafuego | Levander: Yes, so you get cvs.server.net/projects |
| 05:33.29 | jrr | but not the same one 2sx |
| 05:33.34 | jrr | *2x |
| 05:33.36 | chealer | it's a shame I talk about that factoid, I don't even know darcs, rcs and tla |
| 05:33.51 | cafuego | chealer: rcs is cvs without networking |
| 05:34.01 | Levander | okay, I think that was the last thing I needed to understand. Gonna try to set up my repository now! |
| 05:34.24 | peterS | well, rcs is cvs without the ability to store your repository somewhere other than the current directory |
| 05:34.25 | lispy | man, this is why i hate installing anything kde...now galeon is borked... |
| 05:34.50 | cafuego | peterS: Shit for backups, handy for .rcfiles |
| 05:36.13 | cafuego | haired too |
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| 05:41.13 | kingsley_ | Is there a utility which reveals more about a movie file's format that the "file" command, which simply reports "MPEG system stream data"? |
| 05:41.23 | bob2 | mplayer |
| 05:41.35 | chealer | I use vlc to get a wmv's fourcc |
| 05:41.51 | kingsley_ | bob2: How? |
| 05:41.57 | chealer | ...if that falls in the utility category |
| 05:42.19 | bob2 | just run it |
| 05:42.23 | bob2 | and watch it print out a ton of stuff |
| 05:43.24 | freewoody | bob2, I still cant' get my Squid Server working |
| 05:43.31 | bob2 | ok... |
| 05:43.49 | freewoody | Can somebody check my squid.conf to see what is wrong ? |
| 05:43.51 | freewoody | http://pastebin.com/278195 |
| 05:44.02 | bob2 | dude |
| 05:44.04 | bob2 | use the default config |
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| 05:44.06 | bob2 | it works fine |
| 05:44.10 | kingsley_ | bob2: Ah, OK. I see the detailed file type in mplayer's console window. Thanks. |
| 05:44.17 | bob2 | kingsley_: right |
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| 05:46.28 | anoxs | j ipv6 |
| 05:46.30 | kingsley_ | Does linux have any utilities that can convert a "WMV1" "ASF" movie to "MPEG1"? |
| 05:46.30 | anoxs | erg |
| 05:46.58 | bob2 | kingsley_: mplayer |
| 05:47.01 | anoxs | wow, wrong network and everything, talk about laggy |
| 05:47.02 | bob2 | but mpeg-1 is a shitty format |
| 05:48.14 | kingsley_ | bob2: Unfortunately. mpeg-1 is the only format that I know a certain Apple user can play. How would one use mplayer to write it? |
| 05:48.25 | bob2 | look at the -vo option |
| 05:48.31 | bob2 | mencoder is probably more what you want, now I think of it |
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| 05:49.39 | caphuso | you will get an mpeg-1 stream in an avi container with mencoder |
| 05:49.40 | Livingroom | bwahahaha |
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| 05:49.57 | cafuego | Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'Lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn |
| 05:50.01 | Livingroom | fj34r for i am teh d3bianz0r lun1x us4r again |
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| 05:50.12 | _joey | kingsley_ transode |
| 05:50.26 | cafuego | transcode to VCD (not SVCD) |
| 05:50.27 | Solet | has anyone ever beat level 84 of KAtomic? |
| 05:50.50 | seven_six_two | cafuego: are you talking about from dvd? |
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| 05:50.55 | dserban | where can i find info on making a music cd from ogg/mp3's? |
| 05:51.17 | Livingroom | www.mpaa.org |
| 05:51.20 | Livingroom | or www.riaa.org |
| 05:51.28 | dserban | :o nice, thanks! |
| 05:51.29 | dserban | .... |
| 05:51.31 | cafuego | seven_six_two: From anything; VCD is straight MPEG1 format, nice and compliant. |
| 05:51.46 | kingsley_ | bob2: mplayer's and mencoder's many options are intimidating. Do you happen to know of a FAQ or GUI? |
| 05:51.55 | cafuego | kingsley_: Give me a second |
| 05:52.07 | seven_six_two | yes. I've done a few of those, but i convert everything to dvd now. |
| 05:52.30 | _joey | kingsley_ mencoder has at least 10 various front ends |
| 05:52.39 | _joey | acidrip is one I used |
| 05:52.41 | seven_six_two | i have an excellent link on video conversion if you want it |
| 05:52.57 | seven_six_two | i used dvd::rip and tovid |
| 05:53.17 | Livingroom | dserban: i think this is going to be most helpful to you: http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/042705.asp |
| 05:53.18 | kingsley_ | seven_six_two: Yes, please. |
| 05:53.26 | cafuego | transcode -E 44100 -b 224 -V -y mpeg2enc,mpeg -F 1 -Z 352x240 -i file.avi -o file.mpeg # Gives you a video (m1v) and audio (mpa) file. |
| 05:53.27 | seven_six_two | http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/en/single/index.html |
| 05:53.37 | cafuego | kingsley_: After that, run tcmplex -i file.mpeg.m1v -p file.mpeg.mpa -o file.mpeg -m v |
| 05:53.47 | cafuego | kingsley_: And viola, MPEG1 file. |
| 05:54.23 | seven_six_two | does tcmplex take a -f 8 for dvd as well? |
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| 05:54.38 | cafuego | seven_six_two: We're not talking about DVDs |
| 05:54.48 | seven_six_two | ah i know..sorry |
| 05:55.11 | kingsley_ | cafuego: <blink> |
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| 05:56.43 | mau | hi |
| 05:57.21 | kingsley_ | cafuego: Where did you get "tcmplex" from? |
| 05:57.26 | mau | got some problems with wifi (new card) odules are ok and loaded....... |
| 05:57.33 | mau | modules* |
| 05:58.16 | _joey | imho, Mac used to have its own video format but it supports divx 4 |
| 05:58.26 | seven_six_two | kingsley_: not sure if it works exactly the same but mplex comes with mpegtools |
| 05:58.39 | mau | my laptop can t get web ,dhcp is working |
| 05:59.03 | seven_six_two | it will multiplex your audio and video with the same command line args |
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| 06:00.17 | mau | anyone is good with wifi there?? |
| 06:00.27 | Cyis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:01.17 | _joey | kingsley_ do you realy need mpeg-1 ? |
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| 06:01.43 | _joey | why not using Divx4 for Mac ? |
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| 06:02.38 | seven_six_two | joey: the way i understand it, kingsley is looking to make vcd |
| 06:02.40 | kingsley_ | _joey: He may be able to play Divx4, but I'm certain he can play mpeg-1. |
| 06:03.25 | _joey | Who is he? Your Mac system ?:) |
| 06:03.33 | _joey | seven_six_two I see |
| 06:04.20 | kingsley_ | _joey: An old friend in another US state uses Mac. |
| 06:05.21 | furrywolf | hrmm. is a k6-2/550 useful for anything these days? :) |
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| 06:05.31 | seven_six_two | kingsley_: are you converting from avi? |
| 06:05.40 | kingsley_ | seven_six_two: Yes. |
| 06:05.47 | seven_six_two | have you tried tovid? |
| 06:05.55 | kingsley_ | seven_six_two: No |
| 06:06.29 | seven_six_two | aah...check it out. i's what i use. detects input file format, and converts to mpeg |
| 06:06.39 | furrywolf | picked it up for $3... mostly for the shiny Micron 256mb pc100 dimm in it. :) |
| 06:06.49 | kingsley_ | seven_six_two: Where did you get tovid from? |
| 06:06.57 | seven_six_two | sourceforge hosts it |
| 06:07.20 | seven_six_two | there are a few requirements, since its a script |
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| 06:07.41 | seven_six_two | mplayer, mpegtools, a few others |
| 06:07.55 | furrywolf | but now I have a k6-2/550 box with no ram I need to do something with. :P |
| 06:08.39 | kingsley_ | transcode seems slow |
| 06:09.29 | seven_six_two | i transcode a regular movie in just under 3 hours |
| 06:09.58 | seven_six_two | avi-mpeg i mean |
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| 06:10.41 | kingsley_ | I've been transcoding from a ~7 second avi to mpeg for about the last 5 minutes, and it's still going. |
| 06:11.23 | seven_six_two | lol. are the file sizes changing in the directory where it's working? |
| 06:11.31 | kingsley_ | Yes |
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| 06:12.05 | innovati | I need some help guys |
| 06:12.13 | innovati | I've installed Debian today |
| 06:12.36 | seven_six_two | kingsley_: keep an eye on your aspect ratio when you convert. if you change it, you might distort the video |
| 06:12.40 | innovati | I would really like to get X.org and all those nice thingies up and running |
| 06:12.46 | kingsley_ | innovati: That's your problem. Yuo should have installed it years ago. (Just kidding) |
| 06:12.54 | innovati | haha |
| 06:13.12 | innovati | no, before I can set x.org as my default, or use nice composites, I need the nVidia driver in |
| 06:13.37 | innovati | > how do I get the kernel source so I can install the nVidia drivers? |
| 06:13.57 | chealer | innovati: you don't need it, only kernel headers |
| 06:14.05 | innovati | I've got it in a .deb in my home |
| 06:14.10 | innovati | well, how do I get those? |
| 06:14.14 | chealer | !tell innovati about nvidia-howto |
| 06:14.27 | _joey | kingsley_ did you try videohelp.com site, it provides info on digital info and search engine for various tools |
| 06:14.43 | _joey | most of the tools are for ms windows, some of them are good |
| 06:14.54 | _joey | di9gital video |
| 06:14.59 | innovati | I'm not quite sure where to get sources.list repositories from - I've been getting them from apt-get.org |
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| 06:15.27 | liable | innovati: you have an internet connection on that box? |
| 06:15.38 | innovati | liable: I think so |
| 06:15.41 | tracer | how do you install the java runtime in debian? |
| 06:15.53 | seven_six_two | kingsley_: tovid will convert to dvd, vcd, svcd, h-dvd etc |
| 06:15.53 | innovati | liable: how else am I talking to you? |
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| 06:16.03 | umeboshi | there used to be a nvidia-src package, that would handle |
| 06:16.04 | liable | innovati: just apt-get stuff then |
| 06:16.04 | Solet | i've decided that level 84 (Caffeine) is not possible |
| 06:16.09 | umeboshi | it for you |
| 06:16.14 | innovati | liable: what and from where |
| 06:16.14 | chealer | innovati: NVIDIA's drivers are in non-free/contrib/main |
| 06:16.26 | umeboshi | it might be removednow,but i know it's stillin woody |
| 06:16.30 | innovati | chealer: of where? |
| 06:16.47 | chealer | innovati: any sarge repository |
| 06:16.50 | tracer | also, what is the default runlvl? lvl 2? |
| 06:16.56 | _joey | tracer install make-jpkg |
| 06:17.06 | stouset | tracer: 2 |
| 06:17.07 | innovati | chealer: what are they called? |
| 06:17.17 | tracer | _joey: thanks |
| 06:17.18 | liable | innovati: go to debian.org and do some reading, if you dont know about apt-get even, makes it hard to help |
| 06:17.18 | _joey | reaad it docs to make a package for java runtime |
| 06:17.23 | tracer | stouset: thanks |
| 06:17.31 | innovati | I know about it, I've been using it all night |
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| 06:17.37 | chealer | !tell innovati about nvidia-howto |
| 06:17.38 | innovati | hundreds of packages, like KDE 3.4 |
| 06:17.52 | kingsley_ | _joey: ffmpeg is mentioned at the web site... |
| 06:18.14 | liable | kingsley_: doom9 is another good site, worth a look |
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| 06:18.33 | chealer | innovati: you are asking how the sarge repositories are called? |
| 06:18.36 | innovati | chealer: what sources should be in my sources.list? |
| 06:18.55 | kingsley_ | I'm going to abort transcode. It has been running for 12 minutes on a ~7 second avi file and the partial output is already 40 times as big as the original .avi file. |
| 06:18.57 | innovati | I'm getting LOTs of nvidia stuff |
| 06:19.02 | chealer | innovati: a debian mirror for testing with main non-free contrib |
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| 06:19.19 | chealer | innovati: see the link for those you need |
| 06:19.22 | innovati | can you give me a source for one? |
| 06:19.55 | chealer | innovati: hum...a source for one what? |
| 06:20.21 | innovati | am I looking for nvidia-kernel-2.6.* or nvidia-kernel-common |
| 06:20.24 | seven_six_two | 40x seems too high |
| 06:20.39 | tracer | _joey that does not exist on the apt searches that i looked under, but there is java-package |
| 06:20.39 | chealer | innovati: you see some nvidia-kernel-2.6*? |
| 06:20.43 | innovati | yep |
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| 06:20.50 | umeboshi | innovati: nom your not |
| 06:20.55 | chealer | innovati: unless you're on a 2.4 kernel you'll need nvidia-kernel-common |
| 06:21.02 | umeboshi | your looking for nvidia-kernel-source |
| 06:21.10 | innovati | I'm on 2.6.11 I think - i did upgrade it |
| 06:21.14 | umeboshi | and then read the readme.debian |
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| 06:21.21 | innovati | nvidia won't work on a 2.4 kernel anymore |
| 06:21.28 | umeboshi | that will let you make the package you are looking for |
| 06:21.29 | chealer | innovati: really? |
| 06:21.35 | innovati | that's what it said |
| 06:21.38 | liable | innovati: you running sid? |
| 06:21.44 | innovati | now it won't run because it can't find kernel source |
| 06:21.47 | innovati | sid? |
| 06:21.55 | chealer | innovati: what what said? |
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| 06:22.03 | liable | ..... |
| 06:22.06 | innovati | the nVidia installer |
| 06:22.26 | innovati | I'm running the latest stable version: April 16th |
| 06:22.28 | chealer | innovati: the nvidia installer...you downloaded the drivers from nvidia.com? |
| 06:22.32 | innovati | yeh |
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| 06:22.44 | chealer | !tell innovati about nvidia-installer |
| 06:22.57 | innovati | !learn about nvidia-installer |
| 06:22.58 | chealer | innovati: first uninstall that or you'll make things worst |
| 06:23.06 | innovati | I can't get it in |
| 06:23.35 | innovati | so.. |
| 06:23.39 | chealer | innovati: what do you mean. you must /msg dpkg nvidia-installer to get a factoid by yourself |
| 06:23.49 | innovati | hein? |
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| 06:24.29 | chealer | innovati: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:24.31 | innovati | chealer: now I'm more confused |
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| 06:24.47 | innovati | chealer: install 3D accel. for my GeForce |
| 06:25.13 | resiak | !tell innovati -about nvidia howto |
| 06:25.19 | chealer | innovati: ok but which step are you at now? did you get a sarge non-free and contrib source yet? |
| 06:25.24 | innovati | chealer: then I would like to use the comp. manager in KDE 3.4 or else xcompmgr to get nice compositing and also 3D for blender |
| 06:25.46 | innovati | no....no clue where. The only place I can find sources are at apt-get.org |
| 06:25.57 | innovati | where are all the good repositories hiding? |
| 06:25.58 | chealer | innovati: ask #debian-kde and ask for some luck to get KDE 3.4 support |
| 06:26.13 | innovati | I've got it, I just need the 3D accel in for it to work |
| 06:26.22 | umeboshi | innovati, remember every apt-source is root access to your system |
| 06:26.28 | umeboshi | innovati, pick them carefully |
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| 06:26.32 | innovati | sure |
| 06:26.50 | chealer | innovati: do you know about apt-setup? |
| 06:26.52 | innovati | right now there's.....nothing in my /home/ anyway |
| 06:26.55 | innovati | nope |
| 06:27.17 | innovati | let me put it this way - the most exposure I've had to Debian has been Knoppix and Linspire |
| 06:27.24 | innovati | until I installed it today |
| 06:27.31 | chealer | innovati: so you're telling use that you got unofficial sources before even getting an official one? |
| 06:27.37 | innovati | sure |
| 06:27.41 | innovati | I have no idea |
| 06:27.46 | innovati | my friend told me to go there |
| 06:27.56 | chealer | ah, that's a good reason for screwing up your system |
| 06:27.57 | dale | I'm really terr. I've got this machine almost configured. Its now running gnome adn I want to switch it to kde and also give an fvm option. In the gnome menus I cannot see any way to do this. I'm running gdm but have kdm installed as well |
| 06:27.57 | umeboshi | innovati, that's why i made my previous statement |
| 06:28.06 | liable | innovati: !beer chealer for much patience |
| 06:28.14 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:28.43 | chealer | liable: error...limit exhausted |
| 06:28.45 | innovati | so where do I find an official source? |
| 06:28.54 | dale | pardon - apt cannot find fvm so I've installed xfce4 |
| 06:28.57 | chealer | innovati: # apt-setup |
| 06:29.00 | liable | heh |
| 06:29.01 | innovati | k |
| 06:29.10 | innovati | wait? where? |
| 06:29.23 | innovati | nm |
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| 06:29.49 | innovati | oh yeah, it did that in the install - got 2 sources from there (net install) |
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| 06:30.16 | stouset | Say I've got the number n. What's the easiest way to automagically generate a list of 1 .. n in bash? |
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| 06:30.34 | liable | dale: did you apt-cache search it? |
| 06:30.34 | deadcat | how do i know what framebuffer i am using? for my ibook |
| 06:30.41 | dale | stouset: use a for loop |
| 06:30.45 | wrs | HI everybody. |
| 06:30.50 | chealer | deadcat: try cat /proc/fb |
| 06:30.50 | stouset | dale: it's going *into* a for loop =) |
| 06:30.52 | innovati | ah, I get it now.... |
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| 06:30.57 | wrs | Someone here who can help to track down a CUPS problem? |
| 06:31.15 | chealer | innovati: what's your official source for sarge line? |
| 06:31.18 | stouset | dale: I have a loop. "for NUM in 1 2 3 ... n; do whatever; done" |
| 06:31.19 | innovati | ? |
| 06:31.26 | stouset | dale: I need a way to generate the 1 .. n easily |
| 06:31.29 | chealer | innovati: (or lines) in sources.list? |
| 06:31.32 | peterS | stouset: seq |
| 06:31.32 | dale | liable: I didn't see it. I'm not worri4es abnout it tho - I want to change the desktop manager. |
| 06:31.41 | peterS | stouset: for NUM in $(seq 1 20); do... |
| 06:31.41 | deadcat | chealer: it shows ati radeon lw, but how do i pass that in the bootloader? |
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| 06:31.57 | innovati | I really don't know at this point |
| 06:32.03 | chealer | deadcat: sorry, I don't understand what you mean |
| 06:32.05 | dale | stouset: I think bash has for loops. |
| 06:32.15 | stouset | Thanks, folks. |
| 06:32.19 | peterS | dale: he's way ahead of you. I gave him the answer he wanted (: |
| 06:32.25 | innovati | I'm a 4 year Mandrake user, adding installation media is a completely different routine |
| 06:32.28 | stouset | dale: Yeah, geez man. Get with the times ;) |
| 06:32.36 | stouset | peterS: Thanks. Seq was exactly what I needed. |
| 06:32.39 | deadcat | chealer: root=/dev/asdf video=vesafb but ati instead |
| 06:32.41 | dale | peterS: no worries. I could look it up. |
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| 06:33.06 | dale | stouset: I did not understand what you meant by "its going into a for loop" |
| 06:33.09 | peterS | stouset: yeah. I was surprised when I learned about seq. before that I'd always written a shell function 'repeat' to mimic the tcsh function of that name. like, 'repeat 20 foo bar baz' |
| 06:33.33 | stouset | dale: That's okay :-) |
| 06:33.35 | innovati | chealer: the reason 3D is so important is that I'm helping with a 3D programs and game and that kinda depends on 3D accel ;) |
| 06:33.42 | stouset | peterS: D'oh |
| 06:33.44 | dale | peterS: is seq new? I've not heard of it either |
| 06:33.55 | peterS | dale: not particularly new. I only heard of it 2 or 3 years ago though |
| 06:33.56 | seven_six_two | fvwm2 |
| 06:34.18 | dale | back to my other question. I want to know how to change a desktop manager in gdm |
| 06:34.28 | stouset | Alright, one more stupid shell question. Any way to delay expansion of a variable? I want to set a variable $VAR1=blahblah${VAR2}blahblah, but I want ${VAR2} to be extrapolated every time it's encountered, rather than initially. |
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| 06:34.53 | dabreegster | stouset: #bash might know, if you're isomg nasj |
| 06:35.00 | chealer | deadcat: you already have it but you want a bootloader argument? I never heard of ati radeon lw as a framebufer |
| 06:35.01 | peterS | stouset: no. you can use 'eval echo $VAR1' to run an extra evaluation of it, but there's nothing equivalent to makefile variables |
| 06:35.05 | liable | dale: should have a menu for window managers |
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| 06:35.10 | dabreegster | stouset: whoa, that was weird. correction: using bash |
| 06:35.13 | dale | peterS: its probnably not in my docs. I just upgraded to sarge so I probably never had it in my version of bash |
| 06:35.26 | innovati | chealer: okay, 've been sitting here adding lots of sources |
| 06:35.27 | peterS | dale: it's not bash, it's shellutils / coreutils |
| 06:35.31 | dale | liable: any idea what it might be called in a gnome desktop? |
| 06:35.36 | innovati | which is better synaptic or kpackage? |
| 06:35.42 | chealer | innovati: synaptic |
| 06:35.44 | liable | dale: when you log in |
| 06:35.45 | innovati | k |
| 06:35.51 | dale | peterS: ahhh! its getting bright in this room |
| 06:35.52 | seven_six_two | sessions |
| 06:35.56 | peterS | dale: not sure when it appeared, maybe it's semi-new but I got the impression it'd been around awhile when I heard of it |
| 06:36.00 | stouset | peterS: That's what I thought. Such is life :-) |
| 06:36.06 | dale | innovati: synaptic is pretty good. |
| 06:36.13 | peterS | stouset: I know what you want and as far as I know you can't have it :/ |
| 06:36.18 | Icemaann | ive got a linksys 54g card that uses the rt2500 module. ive got the card working great, but the wireless-essid option in interfaces does not work... using iwconfig from the command line works fine. |
| 06:36.21 | liable | yeah theres a radion framebuffer module |
| 06:36.24 | dale | I've got to log in again. bye all. |
| 06:36.28 | innovati | I'd been using Kpackage because it felt friendlier |
| 06:36.38 | chealer | innovati: I'd consider reinstalling debian if I had installed much packages from unofficial sources uselessly |
| 06:36.52 | innovati | well, I'm not going trough that again |
| 06:36.56 | innovati | it took HOURS |
| 06:36.59 | Icemaann | whats interesting, is that i turned on process accounting and iwconfig is being called, but the essid does not change. i also tried a pre-up stanza to call iwconfig. only seems to work from the cli |
| 06:37.06 | innovati | longest (and hardest) install to date |
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| 06:37.14 | innovati | apart from XP pro of course |
| 06:37.16 | peterS | innovati: longer, harder and uncut |
| 06:37.24 | peterS | wait, that's not quite right |
| 06:37.29 | seven_six_two | innovati: i thought it was too, until i tried net install |
| 06:37.33 | chealer | liable: so it's just radeonfb? |
| 06:37.34 | innovati | I've really been spoiled by Mandrake's installer - graphical repartitioning and all |
| 06:37.46 | innovati | netinstall better or worse than regular? |
| 06:38.05 | innovati | okay, here in synaptic what am I looking for? |
| 06:38.14 | peterS | innovati: the sarge netinstall is the same as the sarge regular installer. the only difference is that it downloads stuff at install time rather than pulling everything off a CD |
| 06:38.23 | innovati | mmhmm |
| 06:38.27 | peterS | innovati: but really other than that it looks and feels the same |
| 06:38.30 | innovati | so it's equal then |
| 06:38.31 | liable | chealer: yep think so, one sec |
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| 06:38.36 | seven_six_two | if you have high speed it's nice. net install iso is around 100mb |
| 06:38.43 | innovati | yes, around that |
| 06:38.54 | peterS | innovati: whether you're having trouble installing woody (debian 3.0) or sarge (upcoming debian 3.1) *right now*, I didn't catch |
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| 06:38.55 | innovati | the mirrors weren't exceedingly fast though :( |
| 06:38.57 | dale | no - I did not see an option at log in time. But it really should be there. |
| 06:39.02 | colk | lol |
| 06:39.13 | colk | i found I have a mirror 5 hops away |
| 06:39.17 | colk | its great |
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| 06:39.25 | innovati | chealer: what package am I looking for? |
| 06:39.30 | dale | innovati: the real trouble is the instructions are terrible |
| 06:39.34 | innovati | nvidia-kernel-source ? |
| 06:39.39 | dale | innovati: I wish I could rewrite them. |
| 06:39.40 | peterS | number of hops only matters if (a) you're microbrewing, or (b) your internet connection is way too fast |
| 06:39.43 | dabreegster | Seriously off-topic: Anybody know a channel where I can chat about the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy? Any network. |
| 06:39.45 | chealer | innovati: for nvidia, check the link that dpkg told you in the nvidia-howto factoid |
| 06:39.53 | innovati | hein? |
| 06:39.55 | chealer | innovati: among others |
| 06:39.56 | dale | peterS: why - I microbrew all the time. |
| 06:39.59 | chealer | !nvidia-howto |
| 06:39.59 | innovati | the where what huh? |
| 06:39.59 | dpkg | well, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. |
| 06:40.10 | innovati | I'm on sarge? |
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| 06:40.12 | peterS | dale: so do you worry about number of hops? or, I guess I should say, amount of hops? |
| 06:40.14 | umeboshi | innovati, that's the one |
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| 06:40.29 | dale | peterS: usually I use hallertau |
| 06:40.34 | chealer | innovati: shouldn't you know that? |
| 06:40.38 | colk | well if the mirror is on your isps local network it goes 100% faster |
| 06:40.39 | innovati | chealer: prolly |
| 06:40.46 | kingsley_ | What's the standard group name for /dev/rtc so that various users besides root can be added to its group? |
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| 06:40.57 | peterS | innovati: did you pull your install image from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or from somewhere else? |
| 06:40.58 | innovati | chealer: It's been installed less than a day though - gimme a break |
| 06:41.16 | peterS | innovati: also, 'cat /etc/debian_version' will tell you 3.0 (woody) or 3.1 (sarge) |
| 06:41.18 | innovati | likely somewhere else... |
| 06:41.32 | innovati | maybe |
| 06:41.52 | dale | good - sshd is installed and running. |
| 06:41.54 | innovati | google this> osnews.com: debian |
| 06:42.02 | innovati | click the 100MB installer link on the first page |
| 06:42.15 | dale | Oh - this machine will not be behind a firewall - is there anything I need to do to protect it? |
| 06:42.28 | liable | chealer: either fbradeon radeonfb, dunno I've compiled it in, so cant see in lsmod |
| 06:42.30 | innovati | dale: turn it off an unplug it |
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| 06:42.52 | innovati | dale: sometimes a tin blanket of tin-foil helps too |
| 06:42.54 | peterS | innovati: anyway our point is that if you're installing woody (debian 3.0, from mid-2002), the installer for sarge (3.1, not quite yet released) is *much* improved |
| 06:43.00 | dale | innovati: that is a foreign idea. I've not turned a machine off except for maint since 1985. |
| 06:43.00 | chealer | liable: ok, BTW what does cat /proc/fb give you? |
| 06:43.08 | dale | innovati: its for my brother. |
| 06:43.22 | stouset | Argh. One more. |
| 06:43.25 | colk | I agree the sarge installer is quite cool |
| 06:43.29 | stouset | seq is generating numbers for me beautifully |
| 06:43.35 | innovati | one question that's been bugginy me: why isn't linux as easy to install as bonzi-buddy |
| 06:43.37 | liable | chealer: 0 ATI Radeon LW |
| 06:43.45 | stouset | but there's one problem. I need 3 to be 03, 2 to be 02, 9 to be 09, and 10 to be 10. |
| 06:43.46 | innovati | now there was a fine piece of software - didn't ask you anything! |
| 06:43.50 | peterS | I've not heard of bonzi-buddy |
| 06:43.57 | stouset | ie, pad a zero to be two digits :-) |
| 06:44.02 | dabreegster | sarge netinst owns. But for some reason, it never let me use cfdisk instead of that crappy menu-based script |
| 06:44.13 | stouset | ah, never mind, I think I can do something easily with an if... |
| 06:44.13 | peterS | stouset: there is always $(printf %02d $n) |
| 06:44.17 | innovati | a huge spy-ware program aimed at little kids, using the front of a browsing companion for the net |
| 06:44.31 | innovati | one clikc install and they could have a new friend! |
| 06:44.33 | peterS | stouset: as in, n_2_digits=$(printf %02d $n) |
| 06:44.45 | stouset | peterS: Yeah, that works :-) |
| 06:44.52 | peterS | stouset: by now perhaps you've noticed that I like $() a lot better than `` |
| 06:45.04 | chealer | liable: thanks, I understand what deadcat said now |
| 06:45.04 | colk | actually i tried to install bonsai buddy and it said it wasnt a valid executable |
| 06:45.06 | colk | :P |
| 06:45.14 | colk | of course I did it on my linux box |
| 06:45.25 | stouset | peterS: why? :-) |
| 06:45.45 | peterS | stouset: (a) looks better (b) quicker for me to type (c) it nests |
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| 06:46.09 | innovati | please don't think I'm stupid: I've marked the 2 packages in Synaptic, how do I installed marked packages? |
| 06:46.18 | seven_six_two | apply |
| 06:46.21 | innovati | ty |
| 06:46.26 | stouset | peterS: ah, nesting is nice |
| 06:46.35 | peterS | yes, quite |
| 06:46.42 | chealer | I thought synaptic gave a tutorial when you opened it |
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| 06:46.51 | Icemaann | anyone know why changing the essid manually via iwconfig would work but not via the interfaces file? |
| 06:46.59 | stouset | peterS: ah, except for one situation |
| 06:47.14 | stouset | NEWNUM=${printf %02d $NUM} fails :-) |
| 06:47.18 | innovati | ahhhh, this looks better! |
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| 06:47.36 | peterS | stouset: also I notice (I didn't know this before but I just checked): seq -f%02g 1 20 |
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| 06:47.47 | innovati | now, what do I have to do for it to take effect? will an X restart suffice or do I need a full reboot? |
| 06:47.51 | peterS | stouset: cut out the printf middleman (: |
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| 06:48.08 | stouset | peterS: sadly, I need the non-padded number at one point, and I need the padded one at a later point |
| 06:48.17 | chealer | innovati: an X restart, but I don't think it will work if you didn't follow the link dpkg referred to |
| 06:48.18 | peterS | stouset: also, $() is not ${}. don't confuse the two. they're interchangeable in makefiles but not in shell scripts |
| 06:48.32 | innovati | I don't know the link or anything |
| 06:48.58 | innovati | nm, I did go there |
| 06:49.04 | stouset | peterS: I'm writing a tiny script to fetch a bunch of fragmented mpegs, and piece them together with cat. The server has them as 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 and I need them as 01 02 03 etc, so that globbing them gets them sequentially |
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| 06:49.18 | innovati | how do I change my X server from Xfree86 > x.org if both are installed? |
| 06:49.24 | chealer | innovati: so you did dpkg-reconfigure for example? |
| 06:49.26 | innovati | will xorgconfig take care of that? |
| 06:49.32 | peterS | stouset: yeah. well, $(printf ...) then. oh well |
| 06:49.34 | innovati | chealer: not yet |
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| 06:49.43 | stouset | peterS: *sigh* :-) |
| 06:50.06 | innovati | which set of instructios am I to follow? |
| 06:50.15 | peterS | stouset: command-line printf is another oft-overlooked shell utility. it's available in all posix environments but people persist in overlooking it in favor of echo and weird tricks to make formats come out well |
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| 06:50.42 | chealer | innovati: the module-assistant one, but with the unofficial sources you got don't be surprised if it doesn't work |
| 06:50.42 | _terr | I've moved to my regular machine. |
| 06:50.57 | innovati | I went and got official ones |
| 06:51.05 | chealer | innovati: xorg is not in debian |
| 06:51.06 | deadcat | chealer: video=radeonfb |
| 06:51.10 | innovati | nm then |
| 06:51.21 | innovati | I thought you meant the nvidia stuff |
| 06:51.26 | chealer | innovati: as for KDE 3.4 and nvidia-kernel-2.6* |
| 06:51.30 | stouset | peterS: To be honest, I didn't even realize there was a command-line printf |
| 06:51.41 | innovati | can xfree86 do transparency and drop-shadows? I had heard yes somewhere |
| 06:51.44 | peterS | stouset: heh, now you know. if you're a C programmer, you'll already know how to use it (: |
| 06:51.56 | chealer | innovati: you may get official nvidia stuff, but that may well break with x.org |
| 06:52.03 | innovati | yeah |
| 06:52.03 | stouset | peterS: I am :-) |
| 06:52.10 | chealer | innovati: not debian's xfree anyway |
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| 06:52.33 | innovati | okay |
| 06:53.00 | peterS | stouset: one gotcha with printf - as you'd expect, it doesn't auto-terminate lines with \n, you have to request that specifically. people changing echo to printf sometimes miss that (: |
| 06:53.11 | stouset | peterS: I noticed |
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| 06:53.20 | peterS | of course, for n=$(printf ....) the newline doesn't matter |
| 06:53.46 | stouset | peterS: next you're going to tell me that bash has a "chomp" command, too ;) |
| 06:53.52 | peterS | stouset: haha |
| 06:53.57 | _terr | Its been years since I did this. I want to open a desktop from a remote machine on my machine. How do I go about doing this? First - do I need a second copy of gdm? This is under ssh |
| 06:54.07 | innovati | I get it now - lets see if it worked |
| 06:54.12 | peterS | stouset: well, variable assignment does a kind of auto-chomp, you know |
| 06:54.25 | _terr | stouset: if it doesn't have a chomp command you can add one. haha |
| 06:54.28 | peterS | stouset: that is, variable assignment from `` or $() |
| 06:54.31 | innovati | thanks for helping me out guys! |
| 06:54.52 | innovati | sorry for my slowness, it is 3:00 AM here though |
| 06:55.17 | stouset | peterS: I know, I was joking somewhat :-) |
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| 06:55.32 | stouset | peterS: every day bash seems to be more and more like perl to me |
| 06:55.42 | peterS | stouset: nice to hear you're up on C *and* perl. most people around here don't seem to be programmers (: |
| 06:56.13 | innovati | I shall restart X now |
| 06:56.14 | stouset | peterS: Haha, C, C++, C#, Java, Ada, Perl, and I'm sure I'm missing a bunch. |
| 06:56.19 | peterS | ouch |
| 06:56.24 | innovati | thanks a lot guys! |
| 06:56.35 | stouset | peterS: Ruby and Lisp are next on the todo list. |
| 06:56.38 | peterS | I've not done the Java or Ada, and frankly from what I hear of them I don't regret it (: I've done those others |
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| 06:56.49 | tarzeau | stouset: no Objective-C? |
| 06:56.54 | notty | can someone tell me what rule do i have to write to redirect pkgs from my bridge 192.168.100.100 port 6112 to 192.168.100.200 port 6112 ? |
| 06:56.56 | stouset | Ada is...different. |
| 06:57.10 | stouset | I kind of like some of the things it forces you to do. It's very OO idealistic. |
| 06:57.24 | peterS | stouset: from what I hear, ada is a language designed by committee. kind of like C++ after ISO got done with it. every feature anyone could possibly ask for |
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| 06:57.44 | stouset | For instance, you can't do "int socialsecuritynumber = 444444444; int temperature = 40; temperature = socialsecuritynumber" |
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| 06:58.01 | peterS | you can't? |
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| 06:58.05 | stouset | peterS: in many ways, but it's also got a lot of nice things |
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| 06:58.15 | innovati | hey guys! |
| 06:58.18 | stouset | peterS: No, you pretty much have to declare everything as an enum, in a sense |
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| 06:58.25 | innovati | I'm back now |
| 06:58.30 | peterS | stouset: oh wow. so you declare explicit limits for every variable type? |
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| 06:58.38 | stouset | peterS: Indeed. |
| 06:58.42 | streuner | !wb innovati |
| 06:58.43 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! innovati has returned! |
| 06:58.52 | peterS | stouset: interesting. and the runtime enforces these and throws exceptions, I suppose? |
| 06:58.59 | innovati | so how can I test to see if it works? |
| 06:59.13 | chealer | innovati: try glxgears |
| 06:59.20 | stouset | peterS: Which can save your ass in a few cases. It makes data even more strongly typed, so you can't accidentally overwrite a social security number with a temperature |
| 06:59.25 | stouset | peterS: actually, it's done at compile time |
| 06:59.29 | innovati | things like that worked before though |
| 06:59.33 | _terr | is it poossible for a user to have multiple passwords? |
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| 06:59.46 | innovati | it IS going a lot faster: like 152 FPS |
| 06:59.52 | peterS | stouset: so to assign a value from an int with one set of limits to an int with a different set, you have to explicitly cast it in some way? |
| 07:00.08 | innovati | blender isn't chuggish |
| 07:00.14 | _terr | peterS: what language? |
| 07:00.21 | peterS | _terr: we're talking about Ada |
| 07:00.37 | innovati | what's some relatively small yet 3D intensive program I can DL? |
| 07:00.43 | stouset | peterS: The syntax is kind of hairy so I'll do a C-style example, but it's even tighter than just bounds-checking. If I make a social security number a number from 0 to 999999999 and a temperature the same, I still can't convert between temperatures and social security numbers without an explicit operator. |
| 07:00.49 | stouset | _terr: ADA |
| 07:00.56 | _terr | peterS: I've never used Ada. I've used PL/I and it is not necessary but PL/I will throw an exception if it doesn't fit. |
| 07:01.00 | peterS | innovati: the standard simple benchmark for your 3D performance is 'glxgears' |
| 07:01.11 | stouset | peterS: It's not all *that* useful in practice. But it's interesting. |
| 07:01.15 | innovati | but I dind't measure it before... |
| 07:01.16 | vulture | stouset: but does it understand operations using multiple dimensions? |
| 07:01.23 | stouset | vulture: yes |
| 07:01.25 | innovati | it ran before, I'm just not sure how fast |
| 07:01.26 | peterS | stouset: indeed. sounds like it'd be a bit annoying in many cases |
| 07:01.33 | vulture | eg: seconds / meters * seconds == s^2/m |
| 07:01.36 | vulture | stouset: good-o |
| 07:01.41 | stouset | peterS: Still, it's interesting. Forces good code structure, I suppose :-) |
| 07:01.45 | _terr | peterS: for application development - PL/I is a pretty damn good language.... IMHO better than C++ and we now have at least part of a PL/UI GCC frontend. |
| 07:01.45 | peterS | stouset: even C#'s strict cast rules annoy me sometimes, and those aren't nearly so draconian |
| 07:01.54 | vulture | I seem to recall reading some job offering at Intel or Apple that were intending to play with that sort of thing. |
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| 07:01.59 | vulture | Google's calculator does it too |
| 07:02.20 | innovati | google rox |
| 07:02.24 | peterS | _terr: my word, I thought the last vestiges of PL/I died in the mid-90s after a long slow decline |
| 07:02.42 | stouset | peterS: I think C# is a good balance. In 2.0, they've got typed containers (a la C++ templates), so you get problems at compile time when you put A objects into a container with B objects. |
| 07:02.47 | streuner | peterS: what's your definition for a programer? |
| 07:02.49 | innovati | how do I mount other HD partitions in debian? |
| 07:02.52 | stouset | peterS: which is better than at runtime :-) |
| 07:02.58 | innovati | it syas there's nothing there |
| 07:03.00 | _terr | peterS: I dunno. I know IBM ported PL/I to OS/2 and I found a GCC implementation |
| 07:03.10 | stouset | innovati: mount -t <fstype> /dev/<device> /media/<mountpoint> |
| 07:03.12 | streuner | innovati: man mount, man fstab |
| 07:03.19 | peterS | stouset: I have to say, the thing about bool != int in C# is not really annoying once you get used to it. 'if (foo != null)' or 'if (foo != 0)' is something you just get accustomed to |
| 07:03.21 | innovati | hmm |
| 07:03.27 | sameer | hi people....i have a via c3 processor , when i recompile the kernel with this specific processor .. it doesnt work. |
| 07:03.50 | innovati | how frequently do the menus update? |
| 07:03.53 | _terr | peterS: PL/I has a lot of very good things in it. Like for instance the pointer deref. You declare a struct based(P) and then you can set P if you want to but you never have to refer to it again. |
| 07:03.54 | peterS | stouset: as I recently heard it said, "never put off till runtime what you can check at compile time". an excellent rule in general |
| 07:03.56 | innovati | in KDE of course |
| 07:04.17 | _terr | peterS: this means that if the struct is changed to a static it has the same syntax |
| 07:04.36 | peterS | _terr: I don't see the syntactic advantage but I'll take your word for it that this abstraction can actually be useful somewhere |
| 07:04.40 | stouset | peterS: I'm not really sold on not being able to use ints, etc., as booleans inside of if clauses |
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| 07:04.50 | vulture | peterS: speaking of which - does anyone know of any compilers that actually report array out of bounds errors at compile time when doing ahead of time bounds check optimisations? |
| 07:04.55 | peterS | stouset: that annoyed me at first but it's something I just got used to |
| 07:04.56 | _terr | C has three (3) different syntaxes depending on how it is declared. |
| 07:05.12 | innovati | I'm gonna head to bed before I get slaughtered by my parents |
| 07:05.21 | peterS | vulture: you're presupposing a language where out of bounds references are always illegal |
| 07:05.32 | stouset | peterS: Same. I'm usually all for code readability, but that's still one that I miss sorely. |
| 07:05.34 | innovati | thanks for helping great knowledgable linux wizards! |
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| 07:05.49 | stouset | peterS: Hell, I've heard before that my Perl is "readable". |
| 07:05.50 | streuner | peterS: Do you work as programer or as admin? |
| 07:06.00 | _terr | peterS: less typing and hense fewer errors. Why encourge playing with pointers if you don't have to... also - pointer arith can be in several varients and this is just too many ways to do the same job. |
| 07:06.02 | peterS | streuner: both. mostly as a programmer these days |
| 07:06.05 | vulture | peterS: Sort of. I suppose it'd be an odd niche... |
| 07:06.08 | innovati | BTW, keep an eye on makehuman ( http://www.makehuman.org ) in the next month or so |
| 07:06.19 | innovati | version 2 is gonna blow you away |
| 07:06.41 | dabreegster | The name is intriguing. |
| 07:06.46 | peterS | vulture: well, some languages are that way. C# for example. but in C, you can do memory management such that the compiler has no way of knowing what your *real* array bounds are, even if you're referencing a declared array |
| 07:07.02 | vulture | In languages like C++ where out of bounds is undefined most compilers would just let it slide, in languages where you have to do exceptions or whatever then it'd really be a compile time warning at best, since a programmer could legitimately depend on the exception behaviour. |
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| 07:07.21 | innovati | bye all! I am ever grateful! |
| 07:07.34 | vulture | peterS: Yeah, I know you can't prove it in all cases, and less so in languages like C than more strongly typed/etc. |
| 07:07.35 | _terr | peterS: yes - bad thing of course. There are lots of things in C which are not well thought out. |
| 07:07.44 | innovati | wait... |
| 07:07.52 | stouset | peterS: Despite some of its shortcomings, I'm really liking C#. One of the projects I'm working on right now is creating a Design By Contract environment for it. |
| 07:07.56 | innovati | tuxracer doesn't seem to have 3D accel on it... |
| 07:08.04 | freewoody | Squid can't run in Transparent mode for me |
| 07:08.05 | peterS | _terr: I find its closeness to actual machine language implementation details to be a comfort sometimes. I don't get the feeling the compiler or runtime will pull any wool over my eyes |
| 07:08.13 | _terr | peterS: it was meant to be very close to the machine for performance and some things are there because of the instruction set of a PDP |
| 07:08.18 | freewoody | I can access it manully with the port 3128 |
| 07:08.40 | freewoody | But I just can't use Transparent mode in Squid |
| 07:08.48 | _terr | peterS: depnds on what you are doing. For systems work I've never had a problem with C. For applications work it often comes up short. |
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| 07:09.07 | innovati | nope, txracer has no 3D accel |
| 07:09.13 | peterS | _terr: I've heard that (about PDP) before but I'm skeptical. it doesn't seem to me that C operators are anything but generic. unless you mean the availability of both pre- and postfix ++ and --, or something. that seems a little bit gratuitous |
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| 07:09.25 | OmegaNine | Can someone recomend a program to use with an ATI TV tuner card in Debian? |
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| 07:10.01 | _terr | peterS: the specific instruction was the inc and dec which lead to ++ and -- |
| 07:10.03 | peterS | stouset: is C# really "java done right"? I don't know java but that's the impression I get from a lot of places |
| 07:10.04 | stouset | peterS: I've heard good things about Ruby, actually. |
| 07:10.13 | stouset | peterS: Yeah, pretty much. |
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| 07:10.19 | dabreegster | OmegaNine: apt-cache search " ati " # with the spaces |
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| 07:10.37 | dabreegster | OmegaNine: atitvout maybe |
| 07:10.40 | stouset | peterS: Better performance (vm dependent, but the vm is dependent upon the spec so...), better typing, and attributes. |
| 07:10.42 | peterS | stouset: I hear plenty of good about ruby. I'm not sure I'm down with the syntax. it just looks a little weird and too OO for my tastes. but maybe that too is just something to get used to |
| 07:10.47 | sameer | how can i download something from a cvs repository |
| 07:10.50 | tracer | Anyone know of any good secure FTP servers for linux that have clients for windows? |
| 07:10.58 | OmegaNine | dabreegster, Its for TV in though, want to watch it on my liux box. |
| 07:11.01 | seven_six_two | OmegaNine: gatos |
| 07:11.13 | dabreegster | OmegaNine: Hmm, dunno. Sorry. |
| 07:11.17 | _terr | peterS: however I really like those. What they missed was the scan while and scan until which HP put into the HP3000 instruction set. These were really sweet... adn HP also put a condition regster which was always set by the hardware and tested with an "if <>" |
| 07:11.22 | stouset | peterS: well, as an example about ruby, you only have to define one relational operator (<=> IIRC). Once that's defined for an object, you get >, >=, =, <, <=, etc., all automagically. |
| 07:11.29 | stouset | peterS: Which is something I've argued for for fucking years. |
| 07:11.45 | stouset | tracer: FTP is just a protocol. |
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| 07:11.50 | stouset | tracer: Any client will work. |
| 07:11.56 | peterS | stouset: oh, that makes sense. I don't see why you'd want to implement operator overloading of arithmetic types any other way |
| 07:12.07 | stouset | peterS: Aye. |
| 07:12.25 | seven_six_two | OmegaNine: gatos is the only one i know of, and it isn't updated often |
| 07:12.26 | tracer | stouset: i know, but SFTP is different, is it not? does it not need its own special clients? |
| 07:12.38 | peterS | stouset: unless you *want* to implement those other operators, in case you can optimise some of them further, of course, in ways a compiler won't be able to do automatically |
| 07:12.38 | stouset | tracer: just clients that can do SFTP. |
| 07:12.48 | innovati | what programs are you using to talk on #debian? |
| 07:12.50 | tracer | stouset: thanks |
| 07:12.53 | OmegaNine | seven_six_two, Cool, thanks I will grab it now. |
| 07:13.02 | peterS | tracer: FTP and SFTP have nothing in common except the three letters. two completely different animals. |
| 07:13.05 | stouset | peterS: if you're using Ruby, you're not being pedantic about the extraordinarily minor performance gains you could get from that |
| 07:13.12 | peterS | stouset: heh, true enough |
| 07:13.13 | umeboshi | innovati, i use xchat |
| 07:13.13 | seven_six_two | OmegaNine: seriously? good luck |
| 07:13.24 | _terr | in C/C++ can you define new operators? say an {()} operator? |
| 07:13.26 | seven_six_two | KsIrc |
| 07:13.27 | peterS | stouset: but, like, applying that theory to something like C++ |
| 07:13.28 | innovati | I'm in kopete with the iChat style selected and it's VERY nice |
| 07:13.31 | OmegaNine | I have had it working on Fedora 100'sof times. IT can be done |
| 07:13.34 | sameer | how do i use the cvs command to download something |
| 07:13.36 | streuner | innovati: irssi, epic4 and some X-Chat |
| 07:13.38 | vulture | _terr: No. |
| 07:13.41 | tracer | Any standard SFTP server for linux? |
| 07:13.44 | peterS | _terr: not in C. and I think not in C++ either |
| 07:13.45 | vulture | And you can't even overload operators in C. |
| 07:13.52 | stouset | peterS: but even then, Ruby apparently has exceptional interfaces to C, so you could write the operators you needed in C and call them from Ruby, thus getting you your super-tight performance :-) |
| 07:13.56 | peterS | tracer: debian package 'ssh' includes an sftp server |
| 07:13.57 | tracer | err, IS there a standard SFTP server for linux? |
| 07:14.00 | tracer | aaah |
| 07:14.01 | tracer | thanks |
| 07:14.01 | streuner | innovati: chatzilla, gaim and a few others |
| 07:14.09 | innovati | wow, i haven't even heard of some of those |
| 07:14.13 | _terr | peterS: I didn't think so - would have to change the parser. But it woudl be good to be able to do this. |
| 07:14.17 | OmegaNine | seven_six_two, Sweet, TVtime worked like a charm. Up and running. |
| 07:14.20 | colk | tracer, sftp is part of openssh |
| 07:14.20 | innovati | I've only used GAIM, chatzilla, and kopete |
| 07:14.21 | peterS | tracer: sftp runs on top of the ssh protocol. the sftp server itself is /usr/lib/sftp-server on Debian |
| 07:14.30 | seven_six_two | really? |
| 07:14.44 | seven_six_two | nice |
| 07:14.47 | OmegaNine | Just for some reason all the chans are one chan off, never figured that out |
| 07:14.57 | _terr | peterS: are you aware of the "thnking in balh" books? |
| 07:15.03 | peterS | tracer: 'ssh' also includes the sftp *client*, along with scp, which is a different (older) file transfer protocol running on top of ssh |
| 07:15.11 | peterS | _terr: thinking in what? |
| 07:15.33 | peterS | _terr: or was that 'thunking'? |
| 07:15.41 | _terr | peter thinking in Java , thinking in C++... etc |
| 07:15.54 | _terr | no - were are not trying to convert an address. |
| 07:15.55 | _terr | haha |
| 07:15.57 | streuner | innovati: try tinyirc ;-) |
| 07:16.00 | peterS | 'thunking in asm' is the only one that makes sense *there* |
| 07:16.05 | stouset | You know, it's times like this that I really love Linux. A few weeks before I'd been trying to figure out how to append several mpegs together. In Windows, a common trick was to make a non-compressed zipfile, drop a bunch of mpegs into it, and rename it to .mpg. In Linux, you can just do "cat *.mpg > uber.mpg" =P |
| 07:16.07 | innovati | what's that? |
| 07:16.12 | _terr | peterS: haha. |
| 07:16.15 | streuner | !info tinyirc |
| 07:16.16 | peterS | _terr: I've heard of the 'thinking in...' books but I haven't looked at one |
| 07:16.22 | dpkg | tinyirc: (a tiny IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1-11 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 07:16.38 | _terr | peterS: if I could remember the name of the bloody apps in that other box I could probably call one up. |
| 07:16.41 | peterS | stouset: heh. windows: copy/b *.mpg foo_big.mpg |
| 07:16.42 | stouset | If only it were so simple for wmv :-) |
| 07:16.57 | peterS | stouset: the /b means binary mode, so it doesn't stop at the nearest ^Z |
| 07:17.06 | innovati | but I do! |
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| 07:17.12 | stouset | peterS: Hah. Wish I'd known that ten years ago. |
| 07:17.15 | peterS | (ordinarily when copy is appending multiple files it flips to text mode for some stupid reason) |
| 07:17.20 | _terr | peterS: I'm going to have to configure that machine over a remote dial up connection!!! my alter ego was Dale - its for my brother. |
| 07:17.31 | peterS | stouset: if you can't use a wildcard: copy/b file1.mpg+file2.mpg+file3.mpg output.mpg |
| 07:17.37 | peterS | stouset: strange syntax but there you have it |
| 07:17.49 | stouset | peterS: How the hell do you know all this? :-) |
| 07:18.04 | innovati | how do I set up my xfree86 settings? |
| 07:18.06 | peterS | stouset: picked it up long long ago when I was a MS-DOS weenie. before I ever saw Unix |
| 07:18.11 | innovati | set it as default again? |
| 07:18.16 | innovati | run config for it |
| 07:18.26 | umeboshi | innovati, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:18.28 | _terr | peterS: where do you find the copy command? |
| 07:18.34 | innovati | it doesn't like that |
| 07:18.35 | peterS | _terr: it's a COMMAND.COM builtin |
| 07:18.36 | streuner | innovati: what videocard do you have? |
| 07:18.38 | stouset | peterS: I've written tons of extraordinarily convoluted shell scripts, and I still probably don't know half of the basic utilities provided by bash + a standard Debian install. |
| 07:18.46 | peterS | stouset: hehe |
| 07:18.47 | innovati | nVidia GeForce4 MX 4000 |
| 07:18.48 | _terr | peterS: gawd - windoze |
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| 07:19.01 | peterS | _terr: yeah. we're talking about windows. in Unix you don't use 'copy' for this purpose, you use 'cat' |
| 07:19.28 | stouset | peterS: Some of it is hella esoteric, too. I remember almost wetting myself the day I realized that tr -s " " can make your life with cut a whole hell of a lot easier, for data formatted into columns. |
| 07:19.38 | peterS | /DCC SEND _terr C:\DOS\XCOPY.EXE |
| 07:19.39 | _terr | peterS: ya - I know that. I have a windoze nt machine on an AB switch and it saved my ass because of the channel ops here. |
| 07:19.40 | streuner | innovati: Don't /msg me |
| 07:19.43 | innovati | sorry |
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| 07:20.25 | peterS | stouset: oh ... I didn't know tr -s. I just use awk when columns spacing will be variable |
| 07:20.34 | streuner | innovati: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 07:20.42 | _terr | peterS: I have a copy of NT4.0 (3x) nt3.51, win95, win98, win2000 and most of the dos versions. Ugghhh. M$ has cost me a lot of wateed time and money |
| 07:20.53 | peterS | you poor thing (: |
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| 07:21.24 | stouset | peterS: Give it a shot. If the column spacing is variable, tr -s will eliminate all but each individual instance of a space, so it converts between the column spacing to rows with fields delimited by spaces. |
| 07:21.55 | peterS | stouset: I can see what it does and why you'd want to use it with cut. I just always used awk instead for such situations. I'll keep it in mind |
| 07:22.02 | streuner | innovati: and set it in menu to dialog |
| 07:22.04 | _terr | peterS: ya - I need a nice hug. Can you send Elisabeth Shue over? |
| 07:22.17 | innovati | did |
| 07:22.18 | stouset | peterS: I try to avoid sed and awk if possible. |
| 07:22.18 | peterS | _terr: I would but I lost her number |
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| 07:22.39 | peterS | stouset: I always prefer cut over awk but it's not that big of a deal for me, I'll use whatever takes less typing |
| 07:22.41 | _terr | peterS: well - elizabeth berkley will be ok then. |
| 07:22.42 | stouset | peterS: Don't know why. Just never got proficient with them. I only use sed if it's going to be a substitution. |
| 07:22.47 | streuner | innovati: x |
| 07:22.51 | streuner | innovati: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:22.54 | chealer | yay! PHP's mail() is working with exim4 :D |
| 07:22.56 | peterS | _terr: I'll call her agent, maybe something can be arranged |
| 07:23.02 | stouset | peterS: I should really sit down and wrap my head around them at some point. |
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| 07:23.16 | _terr | peterS: I hear that Denise Richards is looking for an upgrade. |
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| 07:23.29 | peterS | stouset: if you have perl under your belt, there's never any *need* for sed or awk. just a matter of wanting to use them because of faster startup times |
| 07:23.32 | innovati | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 07:23.38 | streuner | !guidelines |
| 07:23.38 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't repeat questions. Read and grow; show growth in new questions. 3) Reading technical documentation is a skill, please persevere, it's worth it. 4) If your problem isn't solved, come back a few hours or days later. 5) Please use /msg to talk to the bots. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood, not here. 8) Don't run scripts or use public away/back. 9) No trolls or spam. 10) see <msg> |
| 07:24.05 | stouset | peterS: and, well, it's easier to do an inline sed/awk than an inline perl script. |
| 07:24.07 | streuner | !msg |
| 07:24.07 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 07:24.25 | peterS | stouset: not that much easier. perl -pe or perl -ne are awfully handy |
| 07:24.41 | streuner | innovati: ok, 4000 FX, look at xfree86.org first, is your videocard supported or not |
| 07:24.50 | _terr | peterS: I really hate the docs we have available. Is there some way to start to rewrite them? |
| 07:24.50 | peterS | ('perl -pe' == 'sed -e', 'perl -ne' == 'sed -ne') |
| 07:25.11 | karsten | peterS: It is if you know sed/awk and not perl ;-) |
| 07:25.12 | peterS | _terr: that's an awfully vague statement. I don't know which docs you're talking about. like documenting what/ |
| 07:25.23 | streuner | innovati: if its not supported by the xfree driver itself run '/msg dpkg nvidia one-liner' |
| 07:25.29 | peterS | karsten: but stouset is in the opposite position, he knows perl better than sed/awk |
| 07:25.35 | _terr | peterS: like for instance the install manual at debian.org |
| 07:25.48 | innovati | okay |
| 07:26.01 | _terr | even the install docs for sarge are (1) wrong and (2) so bloody verbose they make you want to cry. |
| 07:26.04 | stouset | karsten: in |
| 07:26.06 | karsten | peterS: Stop providing relevant details! |
| 07:26.08 | stouset | karsten: indeed |
| 07:26.25 | peterS | _terr: if you're unhappy with it, the development is open, you can download it and create patches for it. I'd give you the contact details but I'd have to look them up, and you can do that as well as I can |
| 07:26.27 | stouset | karsten: I'm getting sick and tired of peterS's relevant details. I say we have lilo kline him. |
| 07:26.36 | tracer | _terr: you could email them, also, you could make an article at en.wikipedia.org and link it |
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| 07:26.41 | stew | _terr: what is wrong with the sarge install docs for instance? |
| 07:26.44 | rootard | Maybe people don't like to read... there could be a video of somebody installing debian... |
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| 07:26.52 | stouset | rootard: there is, actually |
| 07:26.52 | peterS | stouset: great idea |
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| 07:27.06 | rootard | stoutset: haha, really? |
| 07:27.07 | _terr | peterS: well for instance the directory structure is rong. |
| 07:27.10 | mulder | I'm running sarge. My root partition is a logical partition. hdc6. Compiled 2.6.11.8 and tried to boot it. "VFS: Cannot open root device "hdc6" or unknown block(0,0)", etc etc (kernel panic) resulted. I then tried creating a initrd.img with mkinitrd so that my grub menu.lst would look like debian's default one. Panics again, this time cause it cant open dev/console etc. What should I do? |
| 07:27.10 | stouset | rootard: sort of. I believe there's a telnet server somewhere showing a replay of a Sarge install |
| 07:27.33 | chealer | hehe, video documentation is a last resort |
| 07:27.34 | stew | _terr: what about the directory structure? |
| 07:27.36 | karsten | _terr: You could do what I did. Write a relevant doc. Submit it (or find it submitted for you, as was my case). |
| 07:27.36 | stouset | mulder: are you using a stock Debian kernel? |
| 07:27.39 | _terr | peterS: next I find the diectories seem to be duplicates... eg - testing vs sarge |
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| 07:27.44 | innovati | where do i find out what cards are supported on their site? under heLp? |
| 07:27.49 | peterS | stouset: come to think of it, exactly 1 hour ago, I told people in another channel that I was going to bed...... then I got sucked into mentioning $(seq). |
| 07:27.51 | karsten | _terr: If you really want to revise stuff, the doc teams tend to be pretty open to it. |
| 07:27.54 | stouset | peters |
| 07:28.00 | peterS | stouset: maybe a kline would finally get me where I planned to go an hour ago |
| 07:28.04 | _terr | karsten: good idea - but how? |
| 07:28.16 | tracer | email |
| 07:28.18 | stouset | peterS: Haha. |
| 07:28.29 | _terr | karsten: I really think I do. It would be a fun project. I enjoy writing docs. |
| 07:28.34 | stew | _terr: what about the directory structure is wrong? |
| 07:28.41 | karsten | _terr: cuniform shipped by oxcart might work as well. |
| 07:28.47 | karsten | _terr: But mostly I'm with tracer |
| 07:29.07 | stouset | karsten: sanskrit is such a pain in the ass, though |
| 07:29.12 | stouset | karsten: stupid left-handed cultures. |
| 07:29.14 | mulder | stouset: the stock kernel boots. but i downloaded a kernel.org 2.6.11.8 kernel and compiled it |
| 07:29.16 | karsten | peterS: I thought you got there on the A train. |
| 07:29.20 | _terr | Stew stew I think I have the wondows still open. |
| 07:29.22 | innovati | where is the copmatibility list for xfree86? |
| 07:29.24 | peterS | karsten: sometimes |
| 07:29.25 | mulder | stouset: it's my compiled kernel that refuses to work |
| 07:29.28 | stouset | mulder: use a kernel from apt, rather than from kernel.org |
| 07:29.35 | karsten | stouset: It's the grit in the cheeks that really does it for me.... |
| 07:29.35 | stouset | mulder: unless you have a really compelling reason |
| 07:29.37 | stew | uhhh k |
| 07:29.45 | karsten | innovati: ?? |
| 07:30.04 | innovati | where do I find out if xfree86 support my gfx card? |
| 07:30.12 | peterS | doh |
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| 07:30.31 | karsten | _terr: Examples: the chroot install docs in the Woody & Sarge DIM are based on my docs. The partition sizing suggestions for Sarge were revised at my suggestion a week or so back. |
| 07:30.32 | tracer | innovati: google |
| 07:30.38 | peterS | innovati: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status.html |
| 07:30.44 | peterS | (REALLY bed) |
| 07:30.56 | karsten | _terr: Instead of bitching on IRC, write something and submit it. Contact info is in the docs. For manpages, submit a patch or bugreport. |
| 07:31.13 | tracer | i agree |
| 07:31.15 | tracer | would be fun |
| 07:31.15 | Solet | is there a way i can create a bash command so i can type 'start_net' instead of having to type 'cd /one/billion/directories/and/all/these/slashes/to/get/to/my/file/called/ | ./start_net' |
| 07:31.26 | stouset | mulder: there are reasons to use a kernel.org kernel, but 99% of the time it's pointless |
| 07:32.06 | tracer | Solet: you mean like adding it to the path env variable?? |
| 07:32.07 | sepski | Solet, place tyhe file o a symlink to it in /usr/local/bin, |
| 07:32.09 | karsten | innovati: /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86 has READMEs for the major card chipsets. |
| 07:32.15 | innovati | thanks |
| 07:32.18 | karsten | innovati: Grab the package and look at it. |
| 07:32.32 | rootard | I was watching (painfully) as somebody installed redhat enterprise on a new server. They were still using the double your ram argument for the swapspace ... They said that Redhat does some sort of staging in swap during the install and it used to crash if you didn't double your ram size... is this still considered to be a good rule? even when you have 2/3 GB's of ram in a system? |
| 07:32.36 | stouset | karsten: bah, who needs video chipsets? Real men cram their tongue into the AGP slot and interpret the tingling. |
| 07:32.40 | karsten | Solet: Set your $PATH. |
| 07:32.41 | Solet | sepski: wha? |
| 07:32.43 | streuner | peterS: its the same here (IRC vs. go out) |
| 07:33.07 | karsten | stouset: men who can do _that_ will find there services in demand elsewhere. |
| 07:33.11 | _terr | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/ <- is where this is located and the docs say: <tt>/dists/stable/main/disks-<var>XXXX</var>/</tt> |
| 07:33.24 | sepski | Solet, the file needs to be in the path variable for you to run it that way. you can either symlink the file into a location that is in path /usr/local/bin, or add a dir to the path |
| 07:33.32 | stouset | rootard: Not really. I'm not sure whether or not you can run a Linux system right now with no swap at all, but the double the size of your RAM idea was just a rule of thumb |
| 07:33.35 | karsten | _terr: Pardon? |
| 07:33.40 | stouset | karsten: hahaha |
| 07:33.52 | _terr | karsten: yo guys did a great job with the new installer. However I ran into a problem. |
| 07:33.56 | karsten | rootard: Double your ram is a good rule of thumb. |
| 07:34.00 | _terr | karsten: again? |
| 07:34.01 | rootard | stoutset: you can run a distro without swap ... I've done it and it's nice when you can get away with it. |
| 07:34.32 | stouset | rootard: Nice. For some reason, I seem to remember warnings against doing that. Maybe it works fine in 2.6, or maybe those were unfounded warnings :-) |
| 07:34.34 | rootard | karsten/stoutset: is there still any rational for this? |
| 07:34.44 | Solet | :( brain is way to dead to try to figure all that out atm... i'll give it a shot tomorrow... |
| 07:34.45 | karsten | rootard: You can also walk down main street buck naked. Doesn't mean you should. |
| 07:34.52 | karsten | rootard: Digging URL one moment. |
| 07:34.58 | stouset | rootard: I usually just go with 512MB of swap as a sane default. Most of the servers I admin never end up using it, though, except to page out parts of the kernel. |
| 07:35.00 | innovati | bye all |
| 07:35.02 | innovati | thanks |
| 07:35.12 | karsten | rootard: Martin Pool, "Is Swap Space Obsolete" http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 07:35.15 | streuner | have fun |
| 07:36.20 | rootard | stoutset: This is true ... When I am doing development and I hit an area where I am using a lot of memory (on accident usually) the system will swap and swap and grind to a halt... one way I keep myself from rebooting is by disabling swap so that the process just dies when it tries to allocate more memory and there is none available. |
| 07:36.33 | karsten | rootard: Having swap doesn't hurt you. 1-2 GB == $0.50 - $1 US in storage (vs. ~$200+ in RAM). Filling it isn't particularly bad either. _Swapping_ constantly is bad. Which isn't a problem of too much swap, but of not enough RAM. |
| 07:36.46 | karsten | rootard: Moreover, the kernel manages the VM subsystem better when it has swap. |
| 07:37.15 | freewoody | How do I setup a DNS Server in Debian |
| 07:37.25 | _terr | karsten: IMHO the docs should be factored like the distros. On the one hand... we can have individual and parallel instructions for each distro - I favour this approach. On the other hand we can have each distro split out by specific supported technique. What I see is a blend that is confusing. |
| 07:37.33 | karsten | rootard: Your alternative to swapping and grinding to a halt isn't not swapping. It's hitting an OOM situation. |
| 07:37.35 | rootard | karsten: now that sounds like a sane argument. Reading the previous link ... |
| 07:37.37 | stouset | rootard: the problem with that approach is that you're not guaranteed that the program eating the memory is the one that craps out |
| 07:37.48 | stouset | rootard: not to mention, that can usually screw you over if there was something important in the app |
| 07:38.00 | karsten | _terr: 'distro' == Debian stable / unstable / testing, or RH / SuSE / Debian, etc. |
| 07:38.05 | rootard | stoutset: true, but when that is the most active program the probability is the highest and it is a quick fix. |
| 07:38.26 | stouset | rootard: and if it's not, goodbye system :-) |
| 07:38.28 | _terr | karsten: I have always favoured the factoring by distro because this is time sensitive. I do my comapny records this way and it works because after x number of years we can throw it away. |
| 07:38.55 | rootard | stoutset: hasn't been a problem yet. :) |
| 07:39.08 | _terr | karsten: exactly. Yet I cannopt find the sarge install proceedures in www.debian.org can you tell me where they are? |
| 07:39.11 | rootard | stoutset: but I appreciate the warning. |
| 07:39.22 | karsten | _terr: Define "distro". See above. |
| 07:39.37 | _terr | karsten: I picked sarge. |
| 07:39.38 | karsten | _terr: Sarge isn't stable. There isn't an official Sarge documnent set. |
| 07:39.52 | _terr | karsten: I know that. |
| 07:39.56 | karsten | _terr: There's in-progress docs for Sarge. They're under development. |
| 07:40.11 | _terr | karsten: I would be willing with help to write the docs. |
| 07:40.23 | _terr | karsten: are they in the website? |
| 07:40.26 | karsten | _terr: BTW, your nomenclature's wrong. "Sarge" isn't a distro, it's a Debian release (or will be). |
| 07:40.29 | furrywolf | bah. don't you hate when the last seed leaves a torrent without there being a complete copy between all the clients, so you end up with a torrent 99% completed and no one having the last 1%? grrr.... |
| 07:40.30 | karsten | _terr: Then help. |
| 07:40.40 | stouset | karsten: http://www.debian.org/devel/d-i |
| 07:40.41 | _terr | karsten: would love to. |
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| 07:40.54 | stouset | argh |
| 07:41.01 | stouset | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 07:41.04 | karsten | stouset: Note the 'devel' in that URL ;-) |
| 07:41.23 | stouset | argh, meant to say terr_ and not karsten :-) |
| 07:41.26 | stouset | terr_: docs are on that page |
| 07:41.36 | karsten | _terr: Seems to me you haven't grokked the concept of "unstable" vs. "stable" yet. |
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| 07:41.40 | _terr | karsten: At this time I just do not know how to do this. |
| 07:41.55 | mulder | stouset: thanks for the advice. looks like a nice 2.6 stock kernel ready to be apt'd. but i also now know what my problem is. having used debian's default .config, it had IDE support modularised. |
| 07:42.05 | tracer | Can you customise the right click menu under Gnome? |
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| 07:42.15 | _terr | karsten: I've been running woody for about 2.3 years. Just moved to sarge. I'm totally impressed. |
| 07:42.48 | _terr | karsten: hoever the upgrade was not smooth. Have 1000's of zoomies roaming around now... haha |
| 07:43.01 | _terr | karsten: I'll get this sorted out. no worries. |
| 07:43.29 | liable | _terr: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ ...have a look and help |
| 07:43.35 | _terr | karsten: I think there is one (1) "K" in groked. Am I incorrect? |
| 07:43.37 | karsten | _terr: "zoomies" ? |
| 07:43.56 | stouset | _terr: I think Sarge is even more impressive when you're not upgrading, and doing a fresh install. Things like hal and hotplug ensure that devices are automagically recognized at boot |
| 07:44.07 | _terr | liable: WIll do so - thanx. |
| 07:44.08 | stouset | _terr:You're incorrect |
| 07:44.18 | karsten | _terr: The upgrade process _isn't_ guaranteed to be smooth. Until Sarge is stable. At which point it _is_ smooth. Packages either upgrade w/o issue, or if a migration is required, a migration script/tool is provided. |
| 07:44.20 | _terr | karsten: hahaha. you got me. |
| 07:44.28 | furrywolf | automagically recognized and broken on boot. :P |
| 07:44.52 | _terr | stouset: I just did a fresh install this evening of sarge. |
| 07:44.57 | karsten | _terr: No. grok => grokked. |
| 07:45.00 | Elmosa | Hi everybody. Can one ask questions related to Knoppix distro in this channel? |
| 07:45.03 | stouset | furrywolf: hey, it's better than not recognized and broken when you do it manually anyways :-) |
| 07:45.19 | furrywolf | heh :) |
| 07:45.20 | streuner | !knoppix |
| 07:45.20 | stouset | Elmosa: Maybe, but you'll have better luck in #knoppix |
| 07:45.20 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 07:45.27 | karsten | !knoppix |
| 07:45.27 | Elmosa | !knoppix |
| 07:45.31 | _terr | karsten: ok. I learned from you. |
| 07:45.31 | karsten | Elmosa: No. |
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| 07:46.05 | _terr | karsten: I also know it is not guarenteed to be fool proof - I've filed bug reports. |
| 07:46.11 | karsten | _terr: grok => grokked as stop => stopped. |
| 07:46.38 | karsten | !tell Elmosa about msg |
| 07:46.38 | Elmosa | So what would be the group appriopriate to ask questions about Knoppix? |
| 07:46.43 | stouset | ... |
| 07:46.51 | _terr | karsten: file +> filled as fill -> filled |
| 07:46.52 | sepski | Elmosa, type /join #knoppix |
| 07:46.52 | karsten | !tell Elmosa about knoppix |
| 07:46.52 | stouset | Elmosa, I believe that question was answered at least twelve times |
| 07:46.54 | deadcat_ | simonrvn: i got fbsplash working on my ibook (= |
| 07:46.58 | deadcat_ | sweet like a hooker |
| 07:47.01 | karsten | Elmosa: How about fucking reading what you're told? |
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| 07:47.33 | _terr | karsten: long I long O => groked |
| 07:47.57 | karsten | _terr: In English, single final consonant in a regular verb gets doubled. |
| 07:48.19 | Elmosa | karsten: I do not accept this type of language! |
| 07:48.22 | karsten | _terr: Silent 'e' gets dropped. Trying to think of an example.... |
| 07:48.22 | stouset | karsten: this is the Internet. Nobody uses English here. |
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| 07:48.44 | colk | heh |
| 07:48.50 | karsten | stouset: Point. |
| 07:48.51 | Phated | To my everlasting grief. |
| 07:49.01 | furrywolf | don't forget most people here seem to speak american rather than english. :) |
| 07:49.15 | karsten | Phated: Kindly kill me before I dismember the knoppix freaks. |
| 07:49.16 | _terr | karsten: no worries. Yo are a good guy! |
| 07:49.39 | karsten | Phated: I think the disembowling would be appropriate. |
| 07:49.45 | colk | hmm i wonder which linux i am dual booting with |
| 07:49.48 | Phated | karsten: Why don't we both dismember the knoppix freaks? One would miss the within-reasoned-abused one receives otherwise. |
| 07:49.50 | stouset | Elmosa: It's okay. Most of us have Karsten ignored. He rarely provides anything useful or relevant to the conversations here. |
| 07:49.57 | liable | deadcat: debian or vanilla kernel |
| 07:50.11 | karsten | stouset: Heh! |
| 07:50.21 | Phated | You forget, humour is the spice of life. |
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| 07:50.31 | stouset | karsten: What was that? Couldn't hear you :-( |
| 07:50.34 | Phated | Violence, however, ahh. |
| 07:50.40 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: I'm all for a little Reason. |
| 07:50.51 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Indeed. |
| 07:51.02 | _terr | karsten: so what I ran into today is that the docs are wrong, they are verbose, and there are un-explained <probably> symlinks in the directory structure. AS for the wiki - well - I've got some articals there - but on obscure things lile paleoclimatology and some species of 'shrooms. |
| 07:51.27 | _terr | karsten: I would really enjoy making some improvements to the docs. |
| 07:51.30 | karsten | _terr: First: I believe you that there's errors / omissions / obsolete data. |
| 07:51.33 | Elmosa | stouset: Thanks for a good word. There are always people like karsten... |
| 07:51.50 | stouset | Elmosa: I was lying. Karsten own you. |
| 07:51.55 | _terr | karsten: they prolly have the woody docs only. Where are the sarge docs? |
| 07:51.57 | mwilson | Always people who have a clue? Yeah, but they are few, and the stupid seldom listen to them. |
| 07:52.01 | karsten | _terr: ...one aspect of linux (and debian) is that it moves so fast _all_ docs are out of date. The upside is: we've got a vibrant, actively developed system. |
| 07:52.10 | karsten | _terr: Sarge docs are under development. |
| 07:52.21 | stouset | Elmosa: Few people here are willing to help you out with Knoppix questions. Debian is not Knoppix. Please, for all of our sakes, go to #knoppix. |
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| 07:52.37 | _terr | karsten: also if you make a distinction between sarge and testing will you please re-explain what this distiction is? |
| 07:52.45 | karsten | _terr: What really helps are specific detailed criticisms. <foo> is now in <bar> directory. ... or arguments have changed... |
| 07:52.52 | Elmosa | Will do so. Thanks |
| 07:52.59 | innovati | Hey guys, I just wanted to come back to let you know I got it |
| 07:53.03 | karsten | !ops Elmosa is a knoppix tard. |
| 07:53.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Elmosa is a knoppix tard. |
| 07:53.21 | valdyn | _terr: testing is a release stage, sarge is a release. Sarge is currently in the testing stage |
| 07:53.28 | _terr | karsten: sure. I understand that. I file very specific bug reports. |
| 07:53.30 | innovati | now glxgears gets 1200+ FPS, like 10 times the performance |
| 07:53.34 | karsten | Elmosa: We don't support Knoppix. There's a Knoppix channel. You've been told ~1 dozen times now. |
| 07:53.35 | innovati | thanks for helping |
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| 07:53.47 | karsten | Elmosa: And we get amazingly tired of the discussion. |
| 07:53.55 | karsten | _terr: Cool. |
| 07:54.02 | stouset | karsten: also, words like "fucking" are just hella fun to use. |
| 07:54.06 | _terr | valdyn: the question in my mind is at this point in time - are they synonomus? |
| 07:54.17 | stouset | _terr: until sarge is released |
| 07:54.19 | valdyn | _terr: no, read again what i said.. |
| 07:54.21 | karsten | _terr: Mind: I raise hell about shit that's broken and stupid (um, not that you've seen this). |
| 07:54.49 | valdyn | _terr: following it : sarge us _currently_ testing but it will not always be. It will become stable at some point.. |
| 07:54.50 | _terr | valdyn: stouset there seems to be disagreement |
| 07:55.04 | Solet | karsten: i'd imagine you'd raise hell about anything if you were bored enough :P |
| 07:55.10 | valdyn | _terr: no, where? |
| 07:55.11 | karsten | _terr: Debian has releases. They're named (eg: sarge, woody, potato, hamm, bo, etch) and they're also described by "state": stable, testing, unstable, old-stable, experimental. |
| 07:55.31 | mwilson | karsten: testing and unstable are not releases. |
| 07:55.44 | karsten | mwilson: They're release states. |
| 07:55.57 | Solet | experimental???? |
| 07:56.01 | Solet | i've never heard of it... |
| 07:56.12 | mwilson | No. Unstable, for instance, is never released. It is incorrect to refer to it by the term "release". |
| 07:56.15 | karsten | _terr: The named releases are at various points in time, testing/unstable, stable, old-stable, and finally, obsolete. |
| 07:56.20 | vulture | they are branches |
| 07:56.29 | _terr | valdyn: read above - one says yes and one says no and both mean the same thing. Sarge is synonmous with testing at this time and the docs should say so. when this changes the docs should refelct the change. |
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| 07:56.37 | mwilson | They aren't branches, either. |
| 07:56.40 | rectum | humpty dumpty |
| 07:56.40 | stouset | _terr: simply put, testing and stable can be thought of as symlinks. Right now, stable => woody, testing => sarge. When sarge is released, stable => sarge, testing => etch. Technically, the same is true of unstable => sid, but since sid is never released, it's a permanent nomenclature. |
| 07:56.46 | rectum | he was sitting on a wall |
| 07:56.50 | rectum | the dumbass fell |
| 07:56.52 | rectum | HAHAHAHA |
| 07:56.54 | rectum | bye bye |
| 07:56.54 | valdyn | _terr: yea, semantics. They arent "synonmymous" but they currently point to the same files |
| 07:56.56 | _terr | karsten: ya - I've been using it for about 3 years ... its great. |
| 07:57.00 | vulture | mwilson: What is it about the term "branch" that would not be applicable to these things, and what would you like to call them? |
| 07:57.02 | Solet | rectum: get help! |
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| 07:57.30 | Solet | which one is experimental??? i've never heard of it |
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| 07:57.49 | karsten | _terr: Point being: right now, testing/unstable == sarge. stable == woody. old-stable == potato. |
| 07:57.51 | vulture | Solet: best that way |
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| 07:57.57 | valdyn | Solet: thats not a complete release, and for packages unfit for sid ( for various reasons ) |
| 07:58.01 | karsten | _terr: When sarge is released, it becomes stable. |
| 07:58.02 | mwilson | vulture: Branch describes a topology comprised of a trunk, with arms extending from it, each arm being a development state. How does this describe Debian? |
| 07:58.04 | _terr | stouset: I like your explanation. Its very good. However it is not in the docs and it is not in the directory structure of the mirrors and hense a newbie will be totally confused. |
| 07:58.09 | karsten | Debian always has at least three releases in active maintenance: stable, testing and unstable. |
| 07:58.15 | _terr | slow down - I can't keep up!!!! |
| 07:58.19 | karsten | mwilson: Docs call you wrong: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 07:58.26 | Solet | rofl |
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| 07:58.45 | stouset | _terr: It's all documented. We promise :-) |
| 07:58.52 | Solet | !windows |
| 07:58.52 | dpkg | somebody said windows was from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3) |
| 07:59.00 | karsten | mwilson: Please affix your trunks to the elephant. |
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| 07:59.07 | valdyn | !releases |
| 07:59.07 | dpkg | well, releases is http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 07:59.18 | valdyn | _terr: ^^^ |
| 07:59.21 | stouset | _terr: But you do have a good point. For sarge docs, sarge should *probably* always be referred to by its proper name, since it won't always be "testing" or "stable" |
| 07:59.22 | Solet | valdyn: mine was funnier |
| 07:59.28 | karsten | _terr: Unix / Linux is called a spoken culture for a reason ;-) |
| 07:59.55 | _terr | stouset: not in the tree. If you hit the mirors they show you can choose "testing" as a directory or "sarge" as a directory and I wanted to do a diff to see if they are the same. |
| 08:00.05 | karsten | Solet: WRT raising hell -- I've spent too much time in channel past few days, the dweebs are frustrating me more than they should... |
| 08:00.14 | mwilson | karsten: When testing has a security backbone, you can call it a release. |
| 08:00.22 | stouset | _terr: and they are. It's just a symlink. |
| 08:00.31 | _terr | karsten: I've only been in this world since 1997 |
| 08:00.47 | Solet | karsten: i know... but i have the feeling that if you were bored enough you'd pick a fight with the bot... |
| 08:00.47 | karsten | mwilson: www.debian.org calls it a release. That's good enough for me. |
| 08:00.48 | _terr | stouset: you cannot see this from a browser or ftp. |
| 08:00.51 | karsten | mwilson: We don't expect you to be happy about this ... |
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| 08:00.57 | karsten | mwilson: ...and would demand a refund if you wre. |
| 08:01.10 | karsten | Solet: I really _don't_ go out of my way to fight w/ people. |
| 08:01.11 | stouset | _terr: And you would propose we change this...how? Why would something like that even *need* to be documented? |
| 08:01.18 | _terr | stouset: I'm nopt trying to be petty. I'm just trying to say it needs to be explained better. |
| 08:01.23 | stouset | _terr: there aren't comments for every inode on your hard drive either. |
| 08:01.33 | _terr | stouset: also - I would love to do this. |
| 08:01.37 | karsten | _terr: That's probably a fair gripe. |
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| 08:01.43 | valdyn | _terr: theres no reason for you to browse that directory directly |
| 08:01.48 | karsten | _terr: mwilson's been hanging out in channel for years and is still confused. |
| 08:02.05 | _terr | valdyn: I had no other idea how to find the files I needed |
| 08:02.12 | mwilson | karsten: Make me happy? Why should you be worrying about making me happy? You don't owe me anything. |
| 08:02.13 | Solet | karsten: so you're saying that you never start shit for fun just to watch morons blow it way out of proportion? |
| 08:02.14 | stouset | _terr: It's explained in the places it needs to be. It's assumed if you're actually looking at mirrors directly, you've probably got the minimum knowledge of the Debian release process. For everything else, there are frontends that explain it or hide the details adequately. |
| 08:02.26 | _terr | karsten: ya - I know him from way back. He's great. |
| 08:02.33 | karsten | _terr: Anyhow, what docs were you looking for? |
| 08:03.06 | karsten | Solet: Um, I _do_ kid around on channel. That's distinct from, say, gratuitously capping on n00bs. |
| 08:03.10 | stouset | Excuse me guys, but could I ask a favor? |
| 08:03.20 | karsten | stouset: No. |
| 08:03.21 | stouset | Could you stop having interesting discussions for about...five minutes? |
| 08:03.31 | stouset | Karsten linked a document about VM and swap earlier, and I'd like to go read it. |
| 08:03.34 | _terr | karsten: I started at the "getting Debian" and that lead me to a fdd install via the net because I have no idea if that new nic I bought for my brother has a prom on it - prolly not. |
| 08:03.36 | stouset | Thank you for your cooperation. |
| 08:03.46 | stouset | If one of the ops wants to set the channel to +m, that would be great. |
| 08:03.55 | karsten | stouset: Heh. |
| 08:04.04 | streuner | stouset: nobody stops you |
| 08:04.20 | furrywolf | stouset: good luck. just do as I do, and wander off when the channel starts acting like it's composed of 3 year olds with fewer toys than toddlers... |
| 08:04.22 | Solet | karsten's a woman? |
| 08:04.28 | karsten | _terr: There _is_ an inherent problem with Debian ATM. Namely, stable is old. |
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| 08:04.41 | _terr | karsten: I have had many people pat me on the back with my ability to document. This is a good area for me to contrinbute. |
| 08:04.49 | karsten | Solet: No. |
| 08:05.05 | streuner | dpkg, gender? |
| 08:05.05 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 08:05.05 | karsten | Solet: Karsten does, however, engage in gender-ambiguous wordplay at times. |
| 08:05.06 | PEACEYALL | help, each time i press akey on my laptop keyboard , it doesnt work itjust beeeps , ihave to press and hold for 2 sec, beepstwice then writes , wats wrong/? |
| 08:05.09 | _terr | karsten: yup. Sarge is just wonderful. BRB - pee brake. |
| 08:05.13 | Paganist | where can i see or... what's left to make sarge as stable ? |
| 08:05.32 | Solet | ok... just a bit fruity here and there? :P eye shadow is easy, eye liner is easy.... mascara is a bitch but i only did that once to prove to my girlfriend that it couldnt be as hard as she made it look |
| 08:05.34 | streuner | Paganist: RC bugs |
| 08:05.38 | karsten | Paganist: IIRC there's a release maintainer's apge. |
| 08:05.50 | Paganist | karsten: url ? |
| 08:06.03 | karsten | Solet: you wear makeup?! |
| 08:06.08 | Paganist | if i get to have free time, i'll try to participate |
| 08:06.10 | karsten | Solet: I just _talk_ about it ;-) |
| 08:06.15 | karsten | Paganist: minute. |
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| 08:06.22 | Paganist | karsten: thanks |
| 08:06.27 | Solet | lol... a bit of eyeliner here and there... usually black... occasionally red... |
| 08:06.30 | streuner | deadcat_: ! |
| 08:06.32 | PEACEYALL | someone helpppls ,beep |
| 08:06.37 | Solet | just a very thin line that cant hardly be seen... |
| 08:07.10 | stouset | Okay, you guys can go back to your regularly scheduled conversations, now. |
| 08:07.11 | karsten | Solet: IRL I'm pretty much anything but. |
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| 08:07.35 | _terr | karsten: back |
| 08:07.47 | rectum | help is on the way |
| 08:07.48 | PEACEYALL | help, each time i press akey on my laptop keyboard , it doesnt work itjust beeeps , ihave to press and hold for 2 sec, beepstwice then writes , wats wrong/? |
| 08:08.13 | deadcat_ | streuner: what up player. (=. i just got fbsplash working on ibook HAHAHAH rocking |
| 08:08.30 | karsten | _terr: Relieved? |
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| 08:08.42 | deadcat | !kill deadcat |
| 08:08.42 | streuner | deadcat_: i got finally hddtemp working for torsmo |
| 08:08.49 | streuner | hehe |
| 08:08.52 | deadcat | (= |
| 08:08.53 | _terr | karsten: I want to aska serious question. I'll have a machine that I am giving to my brother and he'll be on a dial up. Is there a way to bring his desktop up on my machine? |
| 08:08.55 | karsten | PEACEYALL: When did this start? What kind of laptop? X or console? |
| 08:09.05 | _terr | karsten: haha. ya - got a glass of nice wine too... |
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| 08:09.15 | Paganist | PEACEYALL: maybe you don't use the good keyboard driver or your config is fucked or the chipset of the keyboard is fucked, maybe the driver is corrupted or whatever |
| 08:09.19 | karsten | Paganist: Try: http://people.debian.org/~aba/sarge.html |
| 08:09.19 | rootard | _terr: look for xrfb |
| 08:09.20 | PEACEYALL | just know , wasnt before |
| 08:09.25 | Paganist | karsten: thanks |
| 08:09.35 | _terr | root calrify what it is please. |
| 08:09.39 | karsten | _terr: x11vnc |
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| 08:09.50 | Paganist | PEACEYALL: or maybe you run windows |
| 08:10.01 | PEACEYALL | it worx when i wan t to log inbut now no |
| 08:10.04 | _terr | karsten: no reason to run vnc - this is x |
| 08:10.05 | PEACEYALL | ;/ |
| 08:10.13 | rootard | _terr: it allows someone to export their current display just like the windows version of vnc server. |
| 08:10.29 | karsten | _terr: x11vnc attaches a VNC server to the active X session. |
| 08:10.40 | karsten | _terr: It's like VNC in windows, if you've used it there. |
| 08:11.02 | karsten | _terr: You want to see what he's looking at? Note too: VNC != VPN. |
| 08:11.07 | _terr | E: Couldn't find package xrfb |
| 08:11.19 | karsten | _terr: ?? |
| 08:11.32 | _terr | karsten: Never used vnc - I know how it works but I've never needed to use it. |
| 08:11.33 | rootard | apt-cache search rfb |
| 08:12.03 | karsten | _terr: It's sort of like Windows remote-desktop or remote assistance. Uses the same basic underlying protocol FWIW. |
| 08:12.05 | _terr | karsten: probably running vpn. I'll include his machine in my domain. |
| 08:12.35 | karsten | _terr: That's irrelevant. THough you _should_ tunnel the connection if you're going live over the Internet. |
| 08:12.40 | _terr | karsten: Ive never used much windoze networking. I do run samba - but only because I need corss platform |
| 08:12.54 | karsten | _terr: SSH tunnel. |
| 08:12.54 | karsten | Dig. |
| 08:12.55 | _terr | karsten: I'll use ssh |
| 08:13.07 | _terr | I |
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| 08:13.25 | karsten | Paganist: Looks like you should hit the mailing list per that page BTW. It's unmaintained. |
| 08:13.31 | rootard | karsten/stoutset: I don't remember which one of you sent me the link but it was a good read. Thank you very much and I now understand why swap is still a good idea under Linux. From what I see, it is used to swap out portions of anonymous memory the are not linked to files. |
| 08:13.42 | Solet | 1mbps sucks |
| 08:13.52 | karsten | rootard: NP. |
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| 08:14.00 | karsten | Solet: Try 56 Kbps. |
| 08:14.16 | Solet | ? |
| 08:14.21 | _terr | karsten: I've logged in ssh -X blah. I'm wondering how to bring up the desktop. I can bring up apps. But it would help if I can bring up his desktop because I use KDE and he'lls probably use xfce4 |
| 08:14.30 | Paganist | karsten: sure, once i have free time |
| 08:14.39 | karsten | Paganist: heh. |
| 08:14.43 | cakoose | The date command and the GNOME time applet both say "May 1". Can I get them to say "1 May"? |
| 08:14.45 | Solet | k? who counts in k anymore? |
| 08:14.57 | rootard | Solet: turn your head in different directions to recieve the best reception... |
| 08:15.05 | karsten | _terr: VNC tunelling over SSH. You'd port forward from your brother's system. |
| 08:15.14 | viyyer | is there some gui based tool for inter format conversion of audio files ?? |
| 08:15.26 | liable | aa/me strangles Solet with his modem cord |
| 08:15.27 | rootard | viyyer: sox |
| 08:15.31 | _terr | karsten: lord - I do not know how to do that and also its dial up. |
| 08:15.41 | karsten | Solet: Those of use who wrap our packets individually and slip them into the phoen. |
| 08:15.41 | rootard | if you consider xterm a gui |
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| 08:16.05 | karsten | _terr: I'm googling... |
| 08:16.23 | karsten | viyyer: audacity will do that for you as well, if you're dead-set on GUI. |
| 08:16.29 | _terr | karsten: also this evening I could not figure out how to change the display manager. |
| 08:16.46 | karsten | _terr: http://www.uk.research.att.com/archive/vnc/sshvnc.html http://pigtail.net/LRP/vnc/ |
| 08:16.59 | _terr | karsten: hey thanx. I'll make this help up with working on the docs. |
| 08:17.05 | Solet | karsten: if i went back to dialup from being on a 1Mbyte/sec cable connection... half the state of kansas would lay to waiste.... |
| 08:17.19 | karsten | !change wm |
| 08:17.22 | dpkg | that doesn't look right |
| 08:17.34 | karsten | !default wm |
| 08:17.35 | dpkg | somebody said default wm was to change the default window manager, do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager (man update-alternatives) |
| 08:17.35 | Paganist | karsten: it is possible that i get 2 sprac machines soon, so if they need, i could compile for sparc eventually |
| 08:17.41 | Paganist | sparc * |
| 08:17.42 | karsten | Solet: Isn't that redundant ;-) |
| 08:17.45 | _terr | karsten: its a debian sarge box he'll be running. |
| 08:18.05 | karsten | _terr: Right. |
| 08:18.46 | _terr | karsten: that link sarts out with a refernce to windoze. |
| 08:19.12 | _terr | karsten: gawd I am making typos tonight. |
| 08:19.38 | viyyer | rootard I can do sox.. not a luser... |
| 08:19.58 | karsten | _terr: Basically: ssh -L 5902:localhost:5901 remotehost ; vncviewer localhost:2 |
| 08:20.06 | Solet | _terr: its alright i'm so tired i'm not even catching all your typos... :P who's worse off? |
| 08:20.09 | karsten | _terr: http://www.uk.research.att.com/archive/vnc/sshvnc.html |
| 08:20.42 | _terr | karsten: where do you live. |
| 08:20.51 | karsten | _terr: In a house. |
| 08:20.56 | karsten | ... In Napa. |
| 08:20.59 | _terr | what cuntry |
| 08:21.11 | karsten | Yours. |
| 08:21.11 | _terr | california |
| 08:21.12 | viyyer | karsten, is there some kinda tool.. possibly giving an interface for something like audio part which looks something like like acid-rip... |
| 08:21.17 | davi | Aside from GnomeMeeting, Kphone, what free software soft-phone do you advise me ?. I know the comercial SJphone, Skype & M$ Messenger |
| 08:21.23 | karsten | _terr: Yeah. Left coast. |
| 08:21.30 | _terr | karsten: haha |
| 08:21.32 | viyyer | too bad.. grip doesn't do.. conversion between formats |
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| 08:21.38 | _terr | I've been there. I'm in calgary. |
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| 08:21.50 | karsten | viyyer: audacity, If acid-rip is a beat mixer. |
| 08:22.17 | karsten | _terr: Ah. I've got you out of VA right now. |
| 08:22.32 | karsten | _terr: Wups, no that was Elmosa. |
| 08:23.14 | karsten | Solet: Hasta la vista. |
| 08:23.14 | Ugly_Duck | is there a package for checking a debian install for dead packages? |
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| 08:23.25 | Solet | er s/night/morning (sun comes up in 2 hours) |
| 08:23.29 | vulture | Ugly_Duck: deborphan |
| 08:23.33 | valdyn | Ugly_Duck: dead? obsolete? unused? |
| 08:23.34 | Ugly_Duck | vulture: thanks |
| 08:23.37 | karsten | Ugly_Duck: deborphan. debfoster. |
| 08:23.43 | vulture | but use debfoster or aptitude or something that tracks orphans properly in the first place |
| 08:23.44 | Ugly_Duck | cheers |
| 08:23.49 | karsten | Ugly_Duck: Dead == unused / unneeded? |
| 08:24.08 | vulture | retrospective orphan discovery is inherently less complete/accurate/etc than an orphan tracking system |
| 08:24.19 | Ugly_Duck | karsten: dpkg --purge packages, also packages that are left behind when you apt-get remove a package.. |
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| 08:24.38 | vulture | Ugly_Duck: for packages that are removed but not purged, dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall |
| 08:24.39 | karsten | Ugly_Duck: Parse error. |
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| 08:24.58 | PEACEYALL | help!!! Each time i click a key on my laptop keyboard it beeps , it just started happening today , is there any module i have to load or w/e?? |
| 08:25.10 | Ugly_Duck | brb.. i'll go check it out |
| 08:25.13 | karsten | !tell PEACEYALL about repeat |
| 08:25.32 | PEACEYALL | karsten im on my windows pc nwo thats why i repeated :/ |
| 08:25.39 | Ugly_Duck | vulture: there are a list of packages |
| 08:25.43 | karsten | PEACEYALL: You're going to have to troubleshoot that yourself. I suggest you start by ruling out a HW problem. |
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| 08:26.07 | karsten | PEACEYALL: I tried asking you clarifying / diagnostic questions w/ no response. |
| 08:26.12 | karsten | PEACEYALL: That's not very productive. |
| 08:26.30 | karsten | Solet: point ;-) |
| 08:26.35 | furrywolf | check to make sure meta keys aren't stuck down, you didn't spill anything on the keyboard, etc. |
| 08:26.42 | Solet | embrase the ps/2 port in the back |
| 08:26.45 | PEACEYALL | but look it works when i want to select a kernel at boot screen or log in but then it doesnt work when i log in |
| 08:26.49 | _joey | who wants to bet that sarge release willcome out on the 1st of July?:) |
| 08:26.52 | PEACEYALL | ]it doesnt any more |
| 08:26.53 | karsten | PEACEYALL: Is this a dual-boot system? |
| 08:27.01 | PEACEYALL | ya |
| 08:27.39 | Solet | PEACEYALL: dual boot linux/windows? |
| 08:27.41 | karsten | PEACEYALL: Suggest you IRC from a functional system. |
| 08:27.47 | PEACEYALL | no on linux |
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| 08:28.09 | PEACEYALL | ::::///// |
| 08:29.03 | karsten | PEACEYALL: Ranting is one thing, troubleshooting's another. Suggest you learn the difference. Thanks for flying #debian. |
| 08:29.18 | karsten | Solet: Night. Now GO! ;-) |
| 08:29.22 | PEACEYALL | karsten i dont think its hardware!!!!!!! cause it worx but when i want to log in but then when i log in it doesnt!!! |
| 08:29.42 | Ugly_Duck | vulture: dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall <-- does that show all packages that have been removed but not pruged? |
| 08:30.04 | karsten | Ugly_Duck: Yes. |
| 08:30.07 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 08:30.10 | Ugly_Duck | ahhh... nice |
| 08:30.15 | PEACEYALL | fine ill go help myself :/ |
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| 08:30.19 | Ugly_Duck | then use deborhpan to remove them right |
| 08:30.35 | liable | PEACEYALL: try reconfiguring x-server again if its ok in console |
| 08:30.37 | karsten | Ugly_Duck: You can purge them, I think. |
| 08:30.47 | Ugly_Duck | k, thanks |
| 08:30.50 | karsten | Ugly_Duck: ...which should kill any config files and logs. |
| 08:30.56 | karsten | Ugly_Duck: ... mind the logs bit if you were planning on keeping 'em. |
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| 08:32.02 | austinnnn | hi. |
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| 08:32.37 | karsten | !hi austinnnn |
| 08:32.37 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai austinnnn! |
| 08:32.46 | liable | PEACEYALL: you upgrade last night? |
| 08:32.58 | austinnnn | debian sucks guys...windows all the way! |
| 08:33.18 | karsten | !ops austinnnn troll. |
| 08:33.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: austinnnn troll. |
| 08:33.59 | colk | anyone seen the hitchikers guide to the galaxy yet |
| 08:34.01 | _terr | karsten: I'm trying the ssh command out. its bitching about localhost |
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| 08:34.02 | karsten | austinnnn: If you've got questions or contributions, shoot. Otherwise leave or be kicked. |
| 08:34.05 | austinnnn | i upgraded to tiger 2 days ago |
| 08:34.27 | karsten | _terr: hrm. Sec. |
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| 08:34.35 | austinnnn | what is debian |
| 08:35.02 | karsten | !faq |
| 08:35.02 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 08:35.13 | stouset | 1 |
| 08:35.24 | austinnnn | i <3 tiger |
| 08:35.30 | _terr | I have a feeloing that I have to sunstitute names for these machines. problem is I have numeric IPs but didnt bother with the names. |
| 08:35.35 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 08:35.36 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ip68-5-37-156.oc.oc.cox.net] by helix |
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| 08:36.01 | karsten | _terr: 'localhost' should be recognized. Numeric IPs work as well. |
| 08:36.11 | karsten | !nearbeer helix |
| 08:36.42 | bob2 | that would be tofu juice |
| 08:36.43 | bob2 | yum |
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| 08:36.50 | helix | tofu juice! |
| 08:36.52 | _terr | karsten: ha - I am in! |
| 08:36.54 | karsten | _terr: ssh -L 5902:127.0.0.1 <remote IP>; vnc localhost:2 |
| 08:37.00 | PEACEYALL | how do i start x11 manually? |
| 08:37.00 | karsten | _terr: ...for example. |
| 08:37.06 | karsten | bob2: Beef-fed tofu? |
| 08:37.06 | karsten | _terr: Sweet. |
| 08:37.12 | liable | PEACEYALL: startx |
| 08:37.17 | PEACEYALL | oh ok |
| 08:37.19 | _terr | gawd - if only my girldfriend was so friendly |
| 08:37.36 | karsten | _terr: ?? |
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| 08:37.44 | Gau | I have a question: I have an x86 computer I'd like to put a distro of Linux on, but I'm not sure which one; one of my main requirements is that I need to be able to work in both English and Japanese |
| 08:37.47 | snadge | i get "tcsetattr: No such device or address (line 1003)" when i enable the "persist" option with pppd.. this is using a usb modem for ISDN with the cdc-adm driver.. and then pppd exits.. any suggestions what i can do to work around or fix this? |
| 08:38.12 | _terr | karsten: now what do I do? |
| 08:38.38 | _terr | cd |
| 08:38.39 | karsten | _terr: Run 'vncviewer localhost:2' from another terminal. |
| 08:38.39 | Gau | for example, I want all my menus and such to be in English, but I need to be able to create documents in mixed English and Japanese, or entirely in Japanese. |
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| 08:38.51 | snadge | this is after the 10 hour session limit.. if i dial back in again, it works fine |
| 08:38.53 | karsten | _terr: ...Oh, and x11vncserver (probably) on the remote side. |
| 08:38.55 | bob2 | Gau: modern apps should have no problem with the latter |
| 08:39.06 | bob2 | Gau: aside from the obvious annoyance of entering japanese on an english keyboard |
| 08:39.10 | bob2 | but |
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| 08:39.12 | bob2 | tata |
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| 08:39.29 | karsten | Gau: Debian's got multilingual support, should work. Several distros specifically target Japanese / Asian charactersets. TurboLinux in particular. |
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| 08:39.57 | deadcat | bob2: i got fbsplash working on the ibook (= |
| 08:40.00 | deadcat | HAHAHAH rockin |
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| 08:40.27 | Gau | Actually, for an American, it's probably faster to type Japanese on an English keyboard than a Japanese one. |
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| 08:40.33 | liable | deadcat: with debian kernel source? |
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| 08:40.49 | deadcat | liable: no. kernel.org |
| 08:40.52 | Gau | With a Japanese keyboard, I'd be doing a hell of a lot of hunt-and-pecking. |
| 08:41.27 | karsten | _terr: You're going to need to install x11vnc on the remote side, and run the server. I haven't actually done that yet. |
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| 08:41.52 | usn | hi folx |
| 08:42.03 | _terr | karsten: yup - it is faling. |
| 08:42.43 | karsten | _terr: Sec here... |
| 08:42.44 | _terr | apt is doing its magic. Hey - I really appreciate this. |
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| 08:43.02 | _terr | karsten: done |
| 08:44.06 | karsten | _terr: OK, now you get to figure out what the server's called. 'dpkg -L x11vnc | grep '/bin/' should list files. |
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| 08:45.20 | karsten | _terr: Well. |
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| 08:45.35 | karsten | _terr: I'd install locally, but OpenOffice wants to upgrade. |
| 08:45.54 | karsten | Total Progress: [ 0% ] (240B/s, 2d 2h50m50s remaining) |
| 08:46.31 | karsten | ...not all the time, mind. |
| 08:46.31 | karsten | Only when I'm using it. |
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| 08:47.29 | stouset | Jesus |
| 08:47.34 | stouset | When did it become 5AM?? |
| 08:47.37 | karsten | Phated: You're nicer when you're mean. |
| 08:47.53 | karsten | stouset: Shortly after 4:59:59 |
| 08:48.03 | Phated | karsten: You just crated a lovely contradiction there, I hope you notic.ed |
| 08:48.08 | stouset | karsten: you know, I've made that joke before =P |
| 08:48.17 | Phated | Fetched 347kB in 2s (120kB/s) |
| 08:48.22 | karsten | Phated: It's my job. |
| 08:48.27 | Phated | karsten: Ah. |
| 08:48.36 | karsten | !ifs Phated |
| 08:48.58 | karsten | Damned bot. Doesn't know from Internet face stab. |
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| 08:49.26 | streuner | hm |
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| 08:51.57 | streuner | deadcat: connection problems? |
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| 08:54.17 | dopeic | anyone here know if iflash2+_mtd is build inside the pcmcia_cs ? |
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| 08:54.48 | _terr | karsten: I am getting conection refused. vncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused |
| 08:55.24 | karsten | _terr: What are you running and from where? |
| 08:55.32 | deadcat | streuner: no. rebooting and testing fbsplash heheh |
| 08:55.37 | deadcat | rockin (= |
| 08:55.50 | karsten | _terr: ...and what's the VNC server command? |
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| 08:57.15 | PEACEYALL | liable i tried configuring x server but its the same , if i just do startx , my keyboard worx but then if i log in from gdm it doesnt anymore ? :/ |
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| 08:57.34 | _terr | Unable to connect to VNC server |
| 08:57.34 | _terr | io:/home/terr/debiansarge# vncviewer localhost:2 |
| 08:57.41 | _terr | karsten: I'm logged into both. I tried: |
| 08:58.03 | _terr | karsten: this is my desktop |
| 08:58.10 | karsten | brb |
| 08:58.41 | liable | PEACEYALL: try installing kdm, checked for bugs? |
| 08:58.47 | _terr | karsten: over at "wiser" my brother's machine - I've tried to install vnc. (sarge) |
| 08:59.00 | liable | PEACEYALL: or xdm or whatever |
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| 09:01.20 | _terr | oh shit channel split |
| 09:01.36 | karsten | back |
| 09:02.06 | karsten | _terr: OK. You need the server on remote, and vncviewer on your local system. |
| 09:02.35 | _terr | karsten: I'm probably going to give up on this right now but my folks are driving 400 miles tomorrow and taking the machine |
| 09:02.36 | karsten | _terr: You're connecting to his box. Launch the server (read docs, I don't have 'em), and check that it's running. |
| 09:02.49 | karsten | _terr: ...you've already forwarded a port... |
| 09:02.55 | karsten | _terr: OK. |
| 09:02.57 | simonrvn | deadcat_: good for you |
| 09:03.08 | deadcat | simonrvn: thanks. took a while. |
| 09:03.13 | PEACEYALL | liable i tried to log in with xdm , but xdm never lets me log in :/ |
| 09:03.15 | simonrvn | been busy |
| 09:03.43 | liable | PEACEYALL: whats it do? |
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| 09:03.52 | simonrvn | yup, ruby's ruby/ldap needs some maturing. too bad, it does look promising.. |
| 09:04.03 | PEACEYALL | liable , just a sec ill try to reinstall xdm |
| 09:04.11 | deadcat | simonrvn: http://olterman.homelinux.net/?page=fbsplash&dir=Tutorials |
| 09:04.20 | simonrvn | neat |
| 09:04.24 | liable | PEACEYALL: try another ?dm |
| 09:04.54 | _terr | karsten: I've not checked that. |
| 09:05.12 | karsten | _terr: It can be helpful. |
| 09:05.22 | PEACEYALL | i only 3 kdm , xdm and gdm , kdm doesnt even start up , gdm is the one im having the problem with and xdm i will try now |
| 09:05.23 | karsten | _terr: ...VNC works better if it's plugged in. |
| 09:05.34 | karsten | _terr: I may also have the port forwarding stuff fubared. |
| 09:05.41 | _terr | karsten: I know. It's 3AM here and in Napa it is 5AM |
| 09:05.55 | karsten | _terr: 2. |
| 09:06.04 | karsten | _terr: We're behind you. |
| 09:06.17 | _terr | Only one hour west of me. Yup it is late. |
| 09:06.19 | karsten | _terr: California. |
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| 09:06.41 | _terr | karsten: I've been to the bunavista winery |
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| 09:07.01 | karsten | _terr: Sweet. |
| 09:07.24 | _terr | karsten: I make nice wines. |
| 09:07.35 | boukensya | hey guys. I print alot of books and things like that. What I used to do ages ago in windows was tell my printer to print 4 pages onto one, dividing them into squares. is there something that can do that in linux? |
| 09:07.53 | boukensya | to save paper |
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| 09:08.10 | PEACEYALL | liable , i tried xdm , it logs me in ( i think ) and a grey screen appears and then it open xdm again :// |
| 09:08.12 | karsten | boukensya: mpage |
| 09:08.31 | boukensya | oh great I was afraid there wasn't one.. I will go try it out |
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| 09:09.19 | _terr | karsten: I'm going to have to pick this up in a week, Dale doesn't know much about computers so I'll have to really help him. |
| 09:09.20 | liable | PEACEYALL: do you have a menu with xdm to choose session? |
| 09:10.18 | karsten | _terr: NP. I've messed with VNC a bit, I'll try to get x11vnc on my local system, been meaning to. |
| 09:10.31 | PEACEYALL | liable i dont think so |
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| 09:10.50 | _terr | karsten: I know what you mean. |
| 09:10.55 | karsten | boukensya: There's also psnup, does the same thing slightly differently. Both print N pages to a sheet, configurable, default N=4 IIRC. |
| 09:11.14 | karsten | boukensya: You can also preview your output w/ gv. Recommended. |
| 09:11.37 | karsten | _terr: Catch you later, luck. |
| 09:11.41 | boukensya | karsten: great! I installed mpage, it hasn't seem to attatched to stuff like firefox and stuff |
| 09:11.48 | _terr | karsten: I do not think VNC is what I want. I think pure X . but no harm done. |
| 09:11.48 | liable | PEACEYALL: kdm no work? try removing the others and try it, or dist-upgrading, looking in logs |
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| 09:12.07 | PEACEYALL | ok liable ill try |
| 09:12.10 | boukensya | is there a way to make it do that? |
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| 09:12.22 | _terr | karsten: My folks can take the machine to my brother aws it is. |
| 09:12.40 | PEACEYALL | liable xdm worx if i log in on it as root but not as my nick |
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| 09:12.52 | xelam | ferret! |
| 09:13.08 | Ferret | ~badger |
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| 09:13.12 | Ferret | o.o |
| 09:13.13 | simonrvn | weasel! |
| 09:13.19 | xelam | mew |
| 09:13.22 | simonrvn | badger! |
| 09:13.30 | simonrvn | cougar! |
| 09:13.36 | PEACEYALL | liable the keyboard worx too :/ im beggening to think its gdm or somethigns wrong with my user :/ |
| 09:13.40 | Ferret | !badger xelam |
| 09:13.41 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 09:13.47 | Ferret | :D |
| 09:13.48 | boukensya | karsten: basically its for my wife and if she has a book for uni she wants to print off she just go to file - print - select 4 per page |
| 09:13.57 | xelam | o.o |
| 09:14.14 | xelam | stop that |
| 09:14.16 | stouset | So, why is it recommended when making a webpage that colors be represented by #xxyyzz, as opposed to allowing the full spectrum of #uvwxyz? |
| 09:14.31 | xelam | huh? |
| 09:14.33 | PEACEYALL | liable will it effect my file or system if i remove my user and remake it? |
| 09:14.41 | karsten | boukensya: These are CLI tools. I think you can set up a print filter so that you've got a print queue that formats appropriately. |
| 09:14.47 | simonrvn | stouset: you're talking about ancient history |
| 09:14.54 | Ferret | stouset: google color web-safe |
| 09:15.00 | karsten | boukensya: Some printers have the capability built in. Personally, I prefer to verify before slying trees. |
| 09:15.02 | xelam | stouset: cos they are specified in terms of red green and blue |
| 09:15.07 | stouset | simonrvn: This I know :-) |
| 09:15.08 | Ferret | It's not really required nowadays. :) |
| 09:15.11 | liable | PEACEYALL: only whats in /home |
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| 09:15.21 | simonrvn | Ferret: exactly my point ;) |
| 09:15.25 | liable | PEACEYALL: why do you think that will help |
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| 09:15.41 | stouset | xelam: I realize this. I was wondering why it was recommended that each pair of hex numbers be identical |
| 09:15.49 | xelam | they dont |
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| 09:16.07 | xelam | so i dont know what you mean :P |
| 09:16.38 | xelam | wel |
| 09:16.40 | xelam | well |
| 09:16.44 | PEACEYALL | liable because when i log in as root tehy keyboard worx but as peaceyall no |
| 09:16.45 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 09:16.49 | xelam | that's a legacy thing really |
| 09:16.58 | xelam | old browsers had issues with lotsa colours |
| 09:16.59 | stouset | xelam: |
| 09:17.01 | simonrvn | stouset: Ferret told you to do a google search, it *will* explain it. also look for 'netscape colors' (spell 'colours' however you like) |
| 09:17.15 | stouset | xelam: I know it's a legacy thing, but was wondering what the cause of it was :-) |
| 09:17.21 | xelam | oh |
| 09:17.21 | stouset | simonrvn: already on google, searching around |
| 09:17.36 | liable | PEACEYALL: even from startx, PEACEYALL dont work? |
| 09:17.37 | simonrvn | good :) |
| 09:18.26 | colk | its an interoperation thing |
| 09:18.39 | PEACEYALL | liable in startx i dont get to choose the username :/ |
| 09:18.41 | colk | people could browse you page from a windows 95 machine running aol 3.0 |
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| 09:18.54 | PEACEYALL | i reinstalled gdm , ill see if this worx |
| 09:19.35 | liable | PEACEYALL: log in as peaceyall from console and then try |
| 09:19.49 | PEACEYALL | oh ok |
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| 09:21.36 | PEACEYALL | liable no it worx when i run startx from my user |
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| 09:23.21 | PEACEYALL | liable wat do u the problem is |
| 09:23.23 | opqdonut | anybody here speak icelandic? |
| 09:23.30 | liable | PEACEYALL: hmm, look in the logs I spose, try removing gdm, and using kdm |
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| 09:23.58 | rj_ | can anyone tell me why this -> http://rj.usedrugs.net/preferences <- produces a error E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/preferences:56: Extra junk at end of file |
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| 09:24.47 | PEACEYALL | kdm doesnt work for me , very weird :/ |
| 09:24.48 | xelam | rj_: drugs are bad mmkay :) |
| 09:24.58 | rj_ | xelam: used rugs |
| 09:25.00 | rj_ | :) |
| 09:25.05 | xelam | lol |
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| 09:25.44 | PEACEYALL | ill try failsafe gnome session |
| 09:26.07 | PEACEYALL | nop sam prob |
| 09:26.26 | rj_ | xelam: go back one directory |
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| 09:26.55 | xelam | o.O |
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| 09:27.02 | liable | PEACEYALL: look in logs |
| 09:27.14 | PEACEYALL | ok which logs? |
| 09:28.18 | liable | /var/log/gdm, ~/.xsession-errors |
| 09:28.39 | PEACEYALL | ok |
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| 09:30.27 | PEACEYALL | well liable , i just figured out its not gdm , becaus ei logged in to gdm as root and the keyboard worx fine |
| 09:30.28 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
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| 09:30.48 | tuxy17 | hi. Is there something like SMS from microsoft, to install software to several clients from a server, in debian ? |
| 09:30.57 | nagual | how do i grep in files recursively? ie, if i have subdirs that contain files i also want to look in? |
| 09:31.08 | stouset | nagual: grep -r |
| 09:31.36 | jaro | tuxy17: are those client also running debian? |
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| 09:32.17 | paulswm | nagual: as stouset said, which you could have easily discovered by reading the grep manpage ;) |
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| 09:32.44 | PEACEYALL | liable i checked the logs no error , im gonna try to remove my use and recreate it |
| 09:32.51 | tuxy17 | jaro, yes. But like SMS, i don't want to touch any clients, all configuration should be made on the server |
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| 09:33.37 | stouset | paulswm: maybe he was trying to do a 'grep -r "recursive grep" /usr/share/man/man1/' |
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| 09:34.15 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 09:34.50 | bob2 | tuxy17: ssh + apt. or dsh. |
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| 09:34.55 | nagual | thanks stouset paulswm. i tried that actually, but the exact syntax eluded me. |
| 09:35.02 | pingouin | what is the «best» choise to do with the I/O scheduler in kernel config : Anticypatory, Deadline, CFQ i/o scheduler.....which is your when you build a kernel ? |
| 09:35.16 | liable | PEACEYALL: weird |
| 09:35.30 | Aronofsky | I got problem tryin to do svftp/pam authentication, i try to create a user/login db with db3_load and i modified my vsftp in pam.d but im unable to log with this user |
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| 09:36.15 | tuxy17 | bob2, i look for a user friendly method. |
| 09:36.31 | PEACEYALL | liable how do i removbe a user ? i tried going to users and groups and removing it but after i close Users and griups and reopen it its still there |
| 09:36.31 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 09:36.34 | Aronofsky | in my pam.d files i add this : auth required /lib/security/pam_userdb.so db=/etc/vsftpd |
| 09:36.34 | pavel__ | Hi is it true that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't work in latest debian testing? |
| 09:36.34 | Aronofsky | account required /lib/security/pam_userdb.so db=/etc/vsftpd |
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| 09:36.42 | lucia80 | hi all! |
| 09:36.46 | pavel__ | or I am doing something wrong? |
| 09:36.48 | Aronofsky | maybe i should add a password directive too , no ? |
| 09:36.56 | lucia80 | i have a problem with my modem adsl |
| 09:37.06 | lucia80 | it is a conexant adsl pci card |
| 09:37.25 | lucia80 | i found poor driver, poor documentation, and it doesn't work |
| 09:37.31 | stouset | pavel__: xserver-xfree86 doesn't get reconfigured if you've made local changes |
| 09:37.38 | Oryn | lucia80: you too huh? mine stopped working the other day after I ran an update |
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| 09:38.09 | lucia80 | Oryn, hi..mine never work |
| 09:38.12 | liable | pavel__: if you have edited the file by hand, you have to follow the advise at the top of thew file |
| 09:38.22 | lucia80 | Oryn, which driver you used ? |
| 09:38.32 | pavel__ | stouset thanks - how do I get X configured now? |
| 09:38.34 | Oryn | lucia80: I ended up using an external router |
| 09:38.44 | stouset | pavel__: follow liable's directions |
| 09:38.48 | pavel__ | liable at the top of which file? |
| 09:38.49 | Oryn | lucia80: mine was a usb speedtouch |
| 09:38.51 | Aronofsky | anyone ? ( please really need help about it ) |
| 09:38.55 | liable | PEACEYALL: deluser |
| 09:39.05 | PEACEYALL | oh ok |
| 09:39.12 | liable | PEACEYALL: XF86Config-4 |
| 09:39.12 | lucia80 | Oryn, many documentation around usb version...nothing with pci card |
| 09:39.39 | liable | PEACEYALL: that should have worked though, in the gnome thing? |
| 09:39.40 | lucia80 | my modem is accessrunner based on conexant chipset |
| 09:39.48 | stouset | Aronofsky: sorry man. Try coming back later when more people are in the channel. |
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| 09:40.01 | pavel__ | please |
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| 09:40.07 | PEACEYALL | liable wat do u mean in the gnome thing |
| 09:40.08 | PEACEYALL | ? |
| 09:40.19 | liable | PEACEYALL: the menu thing |
| 09:40.54 | pavel__ | I wanted the debconf to make a clean one so I deleted XF86Config-4... |
| 09:40.58 | PEACEYALL | wait im lost wat should have worked? |
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| 09:41.14 | liable | users and groups, thing, in Gnome? |
| 09:41.43 | PEACEYALL | ya oh it didnt work and i think i knwo why |
| 09:42.08 | liable | hmm, do tell |
| 09:42.10 | PEACEYALL | it keeps telling me when i type deluser peaceyall , already logged in and im not logged in as peaceyall |
| 09:42.10 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 09:42.40 | liable | PEACEYALL: not even in console? |
| 09:42.51 | PEACEYALL | ya |
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| 09:43.34 | liable | PEACEYALL: you sure, if not reboot I guess |
| 09:43.42 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 09:43.50 | pavel__ | Actually I did not make any changes myself... I just made a dist-upgrade - upgrading also debconf |
| 09:44.08 | sepski | pavel__, deleting it, is a rather large change |
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| 09:44.49 | sepski | pavel__, you could try a apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86. |
| 09:45.06 | liable | pavel__: you dont have a XF86Config-4~ |
| 09:45.16 | pavel__ | sepski You're right, but that's what I did after trying do it normally |
| 09:45.27 | liable | ? |
| 09:45.28 | pavel__ | sepski I did... before deleting |
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| 09:45.41 | pavel__ | liable I don't |
| 09:46.06 | pavel__ | can I force debconf to make one? |
| 09:46.11 | sepski | pavel__, i meant as a attempth to get your config file back, you'd still have to read the instructions in the top of it |
| 09:46.22 | liable | pavel__: silly you, try purging then re-installing |
| 09:46.37 | Aronofsky | for the conf files in pam.d, does anyone know what the lines begining with @ means ? |
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| 09:46.41 | pavel__ | or is it useless... I can also copy it back from another computer here |
| 09:46.48 | paulswm | pavel__: debconf will not change XF86Config-4 if a CRC chack indicates that it has been changed locally, deleting it counts as a local change, there is a way of fixing this and dpkg has a factoid on it but I don't remember it |
| 09:46.51 | PEACEYALL | ok liable i removed peaceyall |
| 09:46.57 | incorrect | hello, can anyone tell me the name of the daemon that allow only scp / sftp access ? |
| 09:46.59 | sepski | Aronofsky, it means to go to another pam,d file |
| 09:47.14 | streuner | pavel__: what does 'ls -l /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' say? |
| 09:47.15 | liable | pavel__: just purge and re-install, you wont have to download anything |
| 09:47.16 | sepski | as in @common-auth means now do whats in the file /etc/pam.d/common-auth |
| 09:47.17 | valdyn | !md5 x |
| 09:47.19 | dpkg | 9dd4e461268c8034f5c8564e155c67a6 |
| 09:47.25 | valdyn | !xmd5 |
| 09:47.25 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 09:47.35 | liable | PEACEYALL: and added again |
| 09:47.38 | PEACEYALL | now i just need to rename the new nick |
| 09:47.41 | paulswm | Thanks valdyn :) |
| 09:47.59 | PEACEYALL | but dont u think its weird , i stilll don know wat caused teh problem |
| 09:48.00 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 09:48.14 | liable | PEACEYALL: it works now? |
| 09:48.22 | PEACEYALL | ya |
| 09:48.23 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 09:48.31 | pavel__ | dpkg - thanks |
| 09:48.40 | paulswm | pavel__: dpkg is a bot |
| 09:48.46 | PEACEYALL | lol |
| 09:48.47 | pavel__ | dpkg: that's exactly what I'm looking for |
| 09:48.49 | karsten | incorrect: ssh |
| 09:48.52 | streuner | pavel__: besides, just read the top of that config file, the infos are there too. |
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| 09:49.09 | streuner | pavel__: dpkg is a bot |
| 09:49.11 | karsten | pavel__: dpkg is a bot. |
| 09:49.11 | incorrect | karsten, there is one that is secured to only ssh / sftp, |
| 09:49.12 | incorrect | oops |
| 09:49.16 | incorrect | scp and sftp |
| 09:49.22 | karsten | pavel__: streuner is a bot |
| 09:49.26 | liable | streuner: he deleted it |
| 09:49.29 | pavel__ | streuner: bot? nice |
| 09:49.34 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 09:49.50 | streuner | karsten: :-P |
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| 09:49.52 | karsten | incorrect: Hrm. Not familiar with that. |
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| 09:50.21 | karsten | incorrect: I suspect it's a configuration of a standard SSH daemon, though. Where'd you hear about it? |
| 09:50.22 | pavel__ | Ok, I have it on another computer here... |
| 09:50.23 | sepski | incorrect, you could still use ssh and just tweak the config |
| 09:50.24 | streuner | karsten: parse error, what the heck do you talking about? |
| 09:50.30 | incorrect | karsten, i saw it ages ago |
| 09:50.48 | pavel__ | thanks for now |
| 09:50.57 | incorrect | sepski, unless you can run two different sshd's on the same box, |
| 09:50.57 | karsten | streuner: My keyboard beeps when I type. |
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| 09:51.11 | PEACEYALL | all done |
| 09:51.11 | karsten | incorrect: I'm inclined to think you're misremembering. |
| 09:51.13 | PEACEYALL | gtg bb |
| 09:51.20 | paulswm | pavel__: you can just 'touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' then do the mdsum, you don't have to get a real one to fix it |
| 09:51.20 | streuner | pavel__: what videocard do you have? |
| 09:51.30 | karsten | incorrect: Nope. Can't bind two daemons to one interface. |
| 09:51.52 | pavel__ | paulswm - yeah, that's what I wanted to do, thanks |
| 09:52.03 | pavel__ | streuner ati radeon |
| 09:52.19 | streuner | pavel__: /msg dpkg ati |
| 09:52.40 | pavel__ | And I also realised I have I backup file for xfree |
| 09:52.58 | incorrect | karsten, might have been in gentoo, |
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| 09:53.20 | karsten | liable: You deserve a medal for that. |
| 09:53.20 | Iaidoka | I'm setting up partitions on a HD for dualbooting.. What kind of partition should I give Windows? "b W95 FAT32"? |
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| 09:53.31 | liable | karsten: ? |
| 09:53.38 | pavel__ | Hmmm, streuner, very nice |
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| 09:53.48 | karsten | PEACEYALL. |
| 09:53.54 | karsten | liable: ^^ |
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| 09:54.01 | liable | karsten: hehe, hes ok |
| 09:54.03 | streuner | laidoka: what FS? |
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| 09:55.09 | Iaidoka | streuner: Hmm.. I was leaning towards FAT, but perhaps NTFS is better, I am going to use Win2000 |
| 09:55.12 | paulswm | Iaidoka: ntfs of course, it's not really a good idea to use fat32 for XP/2000, etc, but you can't write to ntfs from Linux so you mught want to set up a separate fat32 partition for data you wish to share (i.e. be able to write from Linux) |
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| 09:55.37 | Iaidoka | paulswm: what partition type for the shared partition then? |
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| 09:56.28 | Iaidoka | I see both FAT32 and FAT32 (LBA) in the list |
| 09:56.50 | streuner | laidoka: in doubt choose LBA |
| 09:57.05 | paulswm | Iaidoka: like I said, fat32 (b) |
| 09:57.39 | paulswm | Iaidoka: or c, I'm using b on one and c on another, both work for me |
| 09:57.50 | Iaidoka | ok |
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| 09:58.12 | streuner | laidoka: didn't d-i regonise those? |
| 09:58.45 | paulswm | streuner: Iaidoka not laidoka :) |
| 09:58.56 | streuner | oh, sorry |
| 09:59.01 | streuner | laidoka |
| 09:59.06 | Iaidoka | streuner: no OS on the machine yet.. I have booted a knoppix CD and sit with fdisk right this moment. :-) |
| 09:59.08 | paulswm | Noooooo |
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| 09:59.30 | streuner | Iaidoka |
| 09:59.38 | paulswm | Yeees |
| 09:59.40 | paulswm | :P |
| 09:59.44 | streuner | paulswm: i don't any difference here |
| 10:00.01 | streuner | see* |
| 10:00.14 | streuner | !lart helvecia fonts |
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| 10:00.16 | Iaidoka | should be iaidoka.. not that it really matters. :-) |
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| 10:00.51 | Burni | ist jemand da? |
| 10:00.57 | streuner | no |
| 10:01.00 | streuner | !de |
| 10:01.00 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 10:01.24 | Burni | thx |
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| 10:01.27 | paulswm | #debian.de are more unfriendly than us? :P |
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| 10:01.58 | deadcat | paulswm: any channel is friendlier than us (= |
| 10:02.03 | rikva | Hi, can Debian mount automatically my mp3player and usb disk when i plug them in? |
| 10:02.10 | colk | yes |
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| 10:02.20 | streuner | paulswm: you should spent more time here ;-) |
| 10:02.28 | paulswm | deadcat: Heh. Good morning! |
| 10:02.29 | Iaidoka | ok, LBA or no LBA... |
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| 10:02.37 | colk | i think |
| 10:02.38 | deadcat | paulswm: what up (= |
| 10:02.38 | colk | hmms |
| 10:02.41 | rikva | colk: If you were talking to me, could you tell me how to? |
| 10:02.41 | paulswm | streuner: I would but I can only take so much at a time :) |
| 10:02.47 | karsten | paulswm: You should get a life ;-) |
| 10:03.06 | paulswm | karsten: Last time I looked, they were much too expensive :) |
| 10:03.23 | streuner | karsten: you shouldn't confirm him :-) |
| 10:03.38 | karsten | paulswm: Black or grey market's much more affordable. |
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| 10:04.22 | PerfDave | rikva: You probably want to read the recent articles on udev and autofs on http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 10:04.31 | valdyn | rikva: in which desktop environment? |
| 10:04.34 | rikva | valdyn: KDE |
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| 10:04.43 | Alsor | sorry, i have a question about linux |
| 10:05.00 | rikva | PerfDave: thanks, reading now |
| 10:05.13 | Alsor | why works my soundkarte not? |
| 10:05.32 | streuner | Alsor: my crystal-thingie is in low stat |
| 10:05.35 | colk | ah i was on the right lines |
| 10:05.35 | colk | :P |
| 10:05.49 | jaro | tuxy17: It might be possible using apt over ssh. I think it can produce lists of installed software, which can then be automatically installed on other computers. However the configuration is not copied? Could this be solved by a quite simple script? |
| 10:06.00 | streuner | Alsor: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 10:06.16 | liable | rikva: gnome-volume-manager can do it, even in kde |
| 10:06.16 | deadcat | tail -n 1 ... new format hehe |
| 10:06.20 | Alsor | i must try |
| 10:06.36 | rikva | liable: I tried that last week, couldnt get it working |
| 10:06.37 | Alsor | i have not started with linux, but |
| 10:06.55 | liable | rikva: display error? |
| 10:06.57 | pavel__ | Hmm, very nice... |
| 10:07.02 | valdyn | Alsor: why does my car not drive? |
| 10:07.06 | Alsor | what can I try ? |
| 10:07.13 | Alsor | I don't know |
| 10:07.20 | rikva | liable: sorry. I removed it |
| 10:07.23 | streuner | !tell Alsor about d-i |
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| 10:07.46 | pavel__ | I got all that work but debconf doesn't configure it right |
| 10:07.47 | liable | rikva: ok, no need to apoligise :) |
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| 10:08.12 | pavel__ | It configures two mice - I can't say why |
| 10:08.17 | rikva | liable: autofs seems what i need, so first i'm gonna try that |
| 10:08.38 | valdyn | rikva: usbmount does it too, it just does not integrate w/ kde ( but neither does gnome-volume-manager i guess ) |
| 10:08.45 | Ugly_Duck | can you remove locals that you dont need? they seem to take up alot of room |
| 10:08.51 | Ugly_Duck | locales |
| 10:08.55 | jetdotnet | localepurge |
| 10:09.06 | jetdotnet | apt-get install localepurge |
| 10:09.16 | rikva | valdyn: I don't need KDE integration, it should just work ;-) |
| 10:09.30 | Alsor | so you can't help me! |
| 10:09.32 | valdyn | Ugly_Duck: and read the docs, you dont want to deal with restoring missing locale data.. |
| 10:10.09 | jetdotnet | debsums will squawk about the missing locdales also iirc |
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| 10:10.25 | Guerin | Alsor: nobody can help you |
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| 10:10.34 | Guerin | you are beyond help |
| 10:10.34 | Madeye | hi, guys my alt-fkey is not working, I used to switch from GUI desktop to console using alt f1/2/3/4 etc.. |
| 10:10.36 | Ugly_Duck | valdyn: /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_NZ <-- my locales? |
| 10:10.40 | Alsor | thanks |
| 10:11.01 | Gathond | Alsor: did you really expect a precise answer from the information you gave us ? |
| 10:11.03 | Madeye | sorry ctrl alt fkey not working |
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| 10:11.23 | valdyn | Ugly_Duck: not familiar w/ details, but theres /usr/share/locale/ too |
| 10:11.27 | jetdotnet | my birdie key isn't working |
| 10:11.34 | qwertz | Hi! Is there a tool to recover deleted files from an FAT32 partition? |
| 10:11.34 | gibarian | hello everyone....is there a way to completely switch from a knoppix harddisk install to debian unstable? like using debian's initscripts, etc. |
| 10:11.59 | valdyn | gibarian: yes, its not trivial, no one will walk your through it |
| 10:12.01 | jetdotnet | !info hexedit |
| 10:12.05 | dpkg | hexedit: (view and edit files in hexadecimal or in ASCII), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 10:12.06 | liable | qwertz: that would be a #windows problem |
| 10:12.22 | jetdotnet | gibarian: backup /etc & /home, do a d-i install |
| 10:12.25 | PerfDave | gibarian: No |
| 10:12.28 | jetdotnet | then cp stuff |
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| 10:12.30 | rafx | !info svn |
| 10:12.51 | jetdotnet | qwertz: hexedit |
| 10:12.54 | PerfDave | gibarian: You almost certainly don't want to be running Debian Unstable anyway. |
| 10:12.58 | Ugly_Duck | there are packages for almost every thing huh |
| 10:12.59 | Dabian | I use mailman from Sarge. How do I disable a mailinglist? (I see the emergency option, but I want to close the list down permanently). |
| 10:13.22 | qwertz | liable, I don't like to run win on my box just to recover a colleagues mistakes |
| 10:13.24 | PerfDave | gibarian: You can use a Knoppix CD to do a Debian install with debootstrap, but that's not trivial either. |
| 10:13.30 | gibarian | PerfDave: well, I'm running a bastard system right now...what could be worse? |
| 10:13.44 | Dabian | gibarian: Red Hat. |
| 10:13.47 | PerfDave | gibarian: Running a system where dpkg doesn't work? |
| 10:13.49 | liable | qwertz: maybe a win program under wine then |
| 10:14.10 | PerfDave | gibarian: Having libc break on upgrade? |
| 10:14.15 | PerfDave | gibarian: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 10:14.16 | gibarian | PerfDave: It does work alright, I just seem to have problems with my initscripts after compiling a new kernel... |
| 10:14.20 | liable | qwertz: why fat then? |
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| 10:15.06 | pavel__ | bye for now |
| 10:15.12 | Dabian | pavel__: Bye now. |
| 10:15.12 | qwertz | liable, cause my colleague runs win |
| 10:15.26 | liable | what can you actually do if libc6 breaks anyway |
| 10:15.29 | jetdotnet | you could shoot him |
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| 10:15.45 | karsten | liable: Pray. |
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| 10:15.53 | streuner | liable: reinstall |
| 10:15.56 | karsten | liable: ...or boot a rescue system, or run sash. |
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| 10:16.14 | karsten | streuner: Actually, that's a tad problematic. |
| 10:16.21 | jetdotnet | i passed out after drinking 4 whole beers... that's bad eh |
| 10:16.22 | karsten | streuner: ...install needs libc6 |
| 10:16.33 | Dabian | How do I disable a mailinglist running on mailman from Sarge? (I see the emergency option for stopping mail in a flamewar, but I want to close the list down permanently). |
| 10:16.38 | liable | I would've thought it'd be one of the really well tested packages, does it break often |
| 10:16.48 | gibarian | so, hypothetically, if I replaced knoppix' own mount-aes with the moutn in the debian repository, would my system break? |
| 10:16.49 | streuner | karsten: we had ones a libc6 problem in debian (unstable) - it was a nightmare |
| 10:16.55 | liable | I would hope not |
| 10:17.23 | karsten | streuner: Yeah, it would be. |
| 10:17.31 | jetdotnet | gibarian: no it's mostly the sysvinit kind of stuff that is the gotcha |
| 10:17.46 | liable | qwertz: well fix it with windows, why ask here, not being mean, just why ask here |
| 10:17.55 | karsten | streuner: I'm thinking: un-ar the deb from a boot disk, then manually sort stuff, then re-run the dpkg --install after to get it sorted. |
| 10:18.01 | jetdotnet | gibarian: anything package that's held will be a problem |
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| 10:18.33 | liable | karsten: can you chroot into a box with a fucked libc6 |
| 10:18.51 | paulswm | But try explaining sid breakage (like libc6) to someone who insists, "sid is stable, I've been using it for months with no problem" |
| 10:18.52 | karsten | liable: Not until you fix libc6 |
| 10:18.53 | jetdotnet | s/anything/any/ |
| 10:19.07 | liable | karsten: hmm, thought so, must be messy |
| 10:19.10 | jetdotnet | sid is stable, i've been using it for months |
| 10:19.10 | gibarian | jetdotnet: alright, that's what I thought...anyone tried Kubuntu yet? |
| 10:19.20 | jetdotnet | :0 |
| 10:19.20 | karsten | liable: but a DEB is an 'ar' archive w/ tarballs. YOu *can* handle those from outside the chroot. |
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| 10:19.26 | streuner | !fuck jetdotnet |
| 10:19.31 | jetdotnet | ooo |
| 10:19.33 | karsten | liable: ...and IIRC libc6's DEB is pretty straightforward. |
| 10:19.40 | liable | karsten: true :) |
| 10:19.42 | streuner | jetdotnet: sid _is_ unstable |
| 10:19.57 | streuner | jetdotnet: Don't tell people sid is stable... |
| 10:20.06 | deadcat | hahahha |
| 10:20.14 | deadcat | sid == suicidal |
| 10:20.26 | jetdotnet | :( |
| 10:20.29 | PerfDave | People running sid should have bash-static installed |
| 10:20.31 | streuner | not in this case |
| 10:20.46 | war- | Is there a bug in sarge in that after logrotate rotates the logs, it does not killall -HUP syslogd klogd? so then my logs are syslog.0 (for current log) , messages.0 etc? |
| 10:20.53 | streuner | jetdotnet: read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 10:21.07 | jetdotnet | streuner: /lastlog paulswm |
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| 10:21.25 | Dabian | Is it possible to disable a mailinglist running on mailman from Sarge? (I see the emergency option for stopping mail in a flamewar, but I want to close the list down permanently). |
| 10:21.27 | streuner | jetdotnet: there are too many newbies here, who might believe what you saying... |
| 10:21.39 | Rydekull | !find etherconf |
| 10:21.42 | dpkg | etherconf: (debconf interface to Ethernet device configuration), section net, is optional. Version: 1.17-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 10:21.46 | jetdotnet | oh yeah it's sunday |
| 10:21.58 | jetdotnet | i didn't fall in love with etherconf btw |
| 10:22.00 | Dabian | jetdotnet: Its always sunday. |
| 10:22.04 | jetdotnet | maybe you won't either |
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| 10:22.51 | PerfDave | war-: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 10:22.58 | war- | PerfDave: BTS? |
| 10:22.59 | jetdotnet | Dabian: surely there is a way |
| 10:23.13 | bbrazil | Dabian: rmlist |
| 10:23.28 | Dabian | bbrazil: That will delete the list, not close it, but thanks. :) |
| 10:23.34 | PerfDave | war-: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 10:24.11 | Dabian | bbrazil: Oh .. maybe you're right .. |
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| 10:24.24 | bbrazil | Dabian: it has an option to leave the archives |
| 10:24.26 | Dabian | bbrazil: Thanks :) |
| 10:24.37 | Dabian | bbrazil: I thought it would delete everything. :-) |
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| 10:25.37 | Dabian | bbrazil: Yeah .. you have to give the "-a" option to delete the archives. |
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| 10:27.26 | pavel_ | Hi again |
| 10:27.57 | war- | PerfDave: nice but no one w/my problem ;( |
| 10:28.52 | PerfDave | war-: So report it? |
| 10:28.53 | pavel_ | Which device file is for PS/2 mouse? I always thought that was /dev/psaux but now I can't find any |
| 10:29.09 | PerfDave | !devinputmice |
| 10:29.09 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 10:29.33 | pavel_ | hmm ;-) |
| 10:29.55 | pavel_ | very nice |
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| 10:31.40 | pavel_ | I don't even have /dev/input/mice - something with kernel? |
| 10:32.45 | drac | pavel_: mousedev and psmouse loaded? |
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| 10:32.53 | PerfDave | pavel_: /msg dpkg /dev/input/mice |
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| 10:34.07 | zhrek | quake2-data is behaving as a virus, after apt-get remove, it still remembers ftp-download spot. |
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| 10:38.54 | pavel_ | drac - now it works after modprobing these two modules - thanks - but I thought It should have been loaded automatically during bootup |
| 10:39.25 | drac | pavel_: yah, you might want to add them to /etc/modules .. |
| 10:39.38 | valdyn | zhrek: hmm? |
| 10:39.55 | valdyn | zhrek: apt-get remove does _not_ remove config files |
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| 10:40.04 | ix | dpkg --purge! |
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| 10:40.19 | pavel_ | drac: could have... just... it did work always.. |
| 10:40.32 | pavel_ | going to reboot... |
| 10:41.07 | zhrek | ok.. thanks |
| 10:41.36 | jetdotnet | !xwontstart |
| 10:41.36 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
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| 10:42.18 | jetdotnet | apt-get remove --purge will though |
| 10:42.24 | tarzeau | is there some bored dd to sponsor a nice game? |
| 10:43.12 | mops_ | I tried to configure mrtg, but I couldn't, is here someone to help me? |
| 10:43.26 | zhrek | how do I: dpkg -l | xargs dpkg --purge ? |
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| 10:43.40 | mops_ | I have only one computer = server, that I would like to monitor traffic - |
| 10:43.44 | mops_ | in and out |
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| 10:43.56 | sepski | mops_, we dont hold your hand thru a whole install, but you can ask a spesific question and get a spesific answer |
| 10:43.56 | mops_ | the server has only one interface = eth0 |
| 10:44.08 | mops_ | sepski: so the specific - |
| 10:44.09 | bartden | hi, how can i load .el files into emacs ? |
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| 10:44.24 | mops_ | how can I specify an interface in config file? |
| 10:44.41 | mops_ | cause I tried varios things but nothing was good |
| 10:44.49 | sepski | mops_, is this sarge ? |
| 10:44.53 | mops_ | yes |
| 10:45.11 | jetdotnet | man dpkg |
| 10:45.15 | sepski | mops_, then you could use munin and munin-node, that's so easy my mother does it |
| 10:45.27 | jetdotnet | -P i think but i forget |
| 10:45.32 | mops_ | what munin? |
| 10:46.03 | mops_ | sepski: but I want to use mrtg... |
| 10:46.14 | sepski | mops_, a tool that graphs stats on your box, using rrdtool the tool that replaced mrtg years ago |
| 10:46.17 | jetdotnet | then do so |
| 10:46.31 | mops_ | jetdotnet: I'm trying all the time! |
| 10:46.39 | valdyn | !whine |
| 10:46.39 | dpkg | somebody said whine was saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
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| 10:47.03 | mops_ | sepski: and does that munin use SNMP? |
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| 10:47.13 | sepski | mops_, nope |
| 10:47.22 | mops_ | cause I'm confused with that "community" and another stuff |
| 10:47.23 | sepski | mops_, since you only had one box snmp is a bit overkill anyway6 |
| 10:47.34 | mops_ | sepski: nope means no? |
| 10:48.21 | sepski | mops_, yes munin is the server side, the one that collects the stats, munin-node you can ron on several boxes to deliver the stats to your munin |
| 10:48.30 | sepski | with only 1 box you run both on that 1 box |
| 10:48.30 | valdyn | mops_: are you to lazy to do a "apt-cache show munin" ? |
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| 10:48.45 | jetdotnet | harl? |
| 10:48.50 | mops_ | valdyn: sorry |
| 10:48.58 | jetdotnet | nm |
| 10:49.25 | drmay | my debian isn't stable when to resolving names, i mean, sometimes is working fine and sometimes it isn't able to resolve names, what could be wrong? |
| 10:49.43 | js_ | drmay: your nameserver? |
| 10:50.02 | drmay | i have bind stopped |
| 10:50.11 | sepski | drmay, or you have one good and one bad nameserver in your resolv.conf |
| 10:50.31 | scarynetworkguy | sepski: That would make no difference. |
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| 10:50.46 | drac | agpgart: X tried to set rate=x12. Setting to AGP3 x8 mode. Does this mean, X tried to set AGP x12 mode? I didn't know there is such speed even possible? |
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| 10:51.12 | sepski | scarynetworkguy, realy ? iv had long delays when iv had a bad nameserver in the resolv.conf |
| 10:51.21 | rectum[off] | bye |
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| 10:51.27 | flawd | I have made a misfortune here I am afraid. X woouldn't start (after an apt-get update;apt-get upgrade I think it was) so I tried to reinstall the NVIDIA driver. I'm not sure if I first installed it "the debian way" or some other way but the end result is I get: ERROR: API mismatch: The NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7174, but this X module is version 1.0.7167. Please make sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have th |
| 10:51.27 | flawd | e same driver version". How can I erase all NIVIDA files and start over again / and or fix it? |
| 10:51.28 | drmay | the nameservers are served by a router and in an windows box doesn't happen, resolv.conf seems to be ok |
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| 10:52.06 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx sarge |
| 10:52.15 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 10:52.34 | drmay | can someone give me two nameserves to probe them in resolv.conf? |
| 10:52.37 | scarynetworkguy | sepski: Which is not what drmay was asking about now is it? |
| 10:52.46 | flawd | valdyn, that didn't answer the question really. Installing that would just fix it? |
| 10:52.46 | valdyn | flawd: apt-get install nvidia-glx should get 1.0.7174 |
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| 10:52.50 | flawd | ty |
| 10:52.52 | flawd | will try |
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| 10:53.02 | sepski | scarynetworkguy, umm right.. |
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| 10:53.27 | flawd | valdyn, says it is allready the latest |
| 10:53.41 | drac | flawd: What's your uname -r? |
| 10:53.58 | drac | flawd: Latest nvidia package doesn't work under 2.6.7 |
| 10:53.58 | flawd | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 10:54.00 | valdyn | flawd: try w/ --reinstall |
| 10:54.01 | drac | oh |
| 10:54.02 | drac | k |
| 10:54.18 | agabus | argh i can't think of the name of that media player in kde umm anyone? |
| 10:54.21 | scarynetworkguy | sepski: In your case it is because it is asking for one not getting a answer and then failing over to the other. Having one good nameserver and one bad might result in delays but it wouldn't result in random fails. |
| 10:54.25 | agabus | amarok! |
| 10:54.37 | flawd | will try |
| 10:55.31 | rikva | PerfDave: autofs works _great_, thx |
| 10:55.54 | valdyn | flawd: dpkg -l nvida-glx to see its version |
| 10:56.17 | flawd | it works now when I fire up X. Will reboot and see if it works then |
| 10:56.54 | flawd | reinstalling it seemed to work ty valdyn and drac |
| 10:57.21 | flawd | just waiting for reboot to see if it works still |
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| 10:58.56 | flawd | valdyn, drac : Yes it works now. Thank you very much *bows* |
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| 11:00.44 | agabus | anyone please tell me how to mount an smb directory off my server into a folder in my /home please |
| 11:00.58 | paulswm | As it's Sunday, I hope someone shows up who's done something really dumb. The one to beat currently is dropping a memory board into the toilet and drying it off with a hair dryer. |
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| 11:02.28 | vadi | Hello i have a big problem, my soundcard can only be used by one program at the same time? - How do i fix so fx. too programs can use the soundcard at the same time |
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| 11:03.02 | liable | vadi: dmix |
| 11:03.16 | paulswm | agabus: There is an SMB hotto, if you don't have the howtos installed locally, it's at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO.html |
| 11:03.30 | vadi | liable, whats dmix? |
| 11:03.39 | liable | vadi: google dmix |
| 11:03.40 | agabus | paulswm - thankyou |
| 11:03.46 | Gathond | vadi: a part of alsa that implements a software mixer |
| 11:03.46 | paulswm | agabus: you're welcome |
| 11:04.28 | paulswm | Phated: What? I want entertainment :) |
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| 11:04.43 | nad | !ndisloader |
| 11:04.55 | paulswm | !ndiswrapper |
| 11:04.56 | dpkg | i guess ndiswrapper is evil, because if a vendor can make users use a windows driver for their product, why should they bother writing a Linux one? Don't use it, email your hardware manufacturer and ask them for a REAL Linux driver, or choose different hardware. |
| 11:05.08 | vadi | Gathond, it seems hard to install http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - are there other ways this can be done? |
| 11:05.16 | paulswm | That factoid sucks |
| 11:05.28 | PerfDave | It's a perfectly good factoid. |
| 11:05.40 | agabus | is there an decent alternative to amarok for gnome? |
| 11:05.53 | PerfDave | The only way to improve Linux hardware support is to make manufacturers aware of demand, and to vote with your wallet for Linux-supporting companies. |
| 11:06.00 | scarynetworkguy | Ndiswrapper does nothing but promote hardware from people who don't want to play nice with OSS. |
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| 11:06.35 | paulswm | Bullshit |
| 11:06.45 | Gathond | vadi: never used it, another option would be to buy a soundcard with a hardware mixer (sb live have this) |
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| 11:08.38 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: What? |
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| 11:08.56 | liable | vadi: jackd does it too I think, dunno if its easier, whats wrong with listening to one thing at a time |
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| 11:09.37 | PerfDave | dmix is the software mixer for ALSA, I've never managed to get it to work so I just stick to aRts on machines which don't have ALSA hardware mixing support. |
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| 11:10.28 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: I disagree with you :P (no offense intended), but I am done arguing about ndiswrapper. The dpkg factoid is, however, an unhelpful religious statement. |
| 11:10.36 | flawd | Can someone recommend a good way to auto convert all jpg images in a dir and its subdirs to png? |
| 11:10.46 | vadi | PerfDave, can arts do so i can play sound in too programs at the same time? |
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| 11:11.01 | nevyn_ | vadi: that's kinda what arts does. |
| 11:11.06 | PerfDave | vadi: Yeah |
| 11:11.16 | cafuego | paulswm: All religions are unhelpful, why would windows be different? |
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| 11:11.28 | vadi | PerfDave, so i would just remove alsa(apt-get remove alsa) and install arts ? |
| 11:11.33 | Gathond | flawd: convert (part of imagemagick) |
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| 11:11.45 | liable | vadi: are you the kind of person who has telly and radio on at the same time? |
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| 11:11.49 | paulswm | cafuego: I mean the use-the-hardware-we-tell-you-ro Linux religious statement |
| 11:11.52 | PerfDave | vadi: No, you need ALSA still. alsa is the kernel interface to the sound hardware. aRts talks to ALSA. Other stuff talks to aRts. |
| 11:11.55 | flawd | Gathond, ty. |
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| 11:12.10 | vadi | PerfDave, ohh okai ;) |
| 11:12.15 | idnar | paulswm: it's not a religious statement, it's a practical one |
| 11:12.23 | cafuego | paulswm: You think it's more useful to start loading windows drivers into the kernel? |
| 11:12.33 | PerfDave | paulswm: It's not a religious statement. It's advising people to buy hardware which is natively supported by the OS they're using. That's sensible. |
| 11:12.53 | cafuego | paulswm: How great is that going to be when it oopses your kernel and you want help with that? |
| 11:13.12 | PerfDave | paulswm: It's no more a religious statement than "don't buy a diesel car if all the petrol stations around you only sell regular gas" is a religious statement by the pro-gasoline, anti-diesel fascists. |
| 11:13.23 | paulswm | PerfDave: it is an unhelpful factoid. It doesn't help anyone who is presumably querying it becuase they're trying to set up ndiswrapper |
| 11:13.32 | rikva | agabus: first edit our /etc/fstab |
| 11:13.37 | cafuego | paulswm: ndiswrapepr coems with documentation. |
| 11:13.40 | PerfDave | paulswm: It's giving them useful advice. |
| 11:13.45 | rikva | agabus: sorry too late! |
| 11:14.02 | liable | well, its all well and good, what if you suddenly find linux, and have only windows supporeted hardware, but cant afford to get new stuff |
| 11:14.02 | nevyn | hrm I have dmix working |
| 11:14.13 | nevyn | it's not that hard. |
| 11:14.20 | agabus | rikva - lol thanks anyways man |
| 11:14.27 | paulswm | PerfDave: It isn't. I am using hardware which works great with ndiswrapper. I chose not to use inferior hardware just because LInux supports it natively |
| 11:14.29 | idnar | liable: well, then you're fucked |
| 11:14.42 | delire | i have 30 students with no CLI experience, and for various reasons, they suddenly need to create unique user accounts. as the default login for these machines has samba/groups/print+intranetservices setup, i'd rather have them manipulate the default username as it is. i want to avoid mv'ing and chowning ~/, editing /etc/[passwd/group/smb.conf] et al. anyone know of a high level webmin like interface for doing this? |
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| 11:14.49 | liable | idnar: talking about ndiswrapper |
| 11:14.50 | PerfDave | paulswm: That's not a sensible attitude to take towards hardware support. |
| 11:14.52 | cafuego | paulswm: And when the kernel API changes and it all stops working, what then? |
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| 11:15.04 | cafuego | paulswm: Will you be in here asking for new windows drivers? |
| 11:15.13 | PerfDave | !ndiswrapper |
| 11:15.13 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper is evil, because if a vendor can make users use a windows driver for their product, why should they bother writing a Linux one? Don't use it, email your hardware manufacturer and ask them for a REAL Linux driver, or choose different hardware. If you really must, ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" |
| 11:15.18 | idnar | liable: your choices are "use a rather dodgy method of loading windows drivers", or "buy new hardware" |
| 11:15.18 | nevyn | delire: with debian? |
| 11:15.25 | delire | nevyn: yes |
| 11:15.40 | idnar | liable: neither of which are particularly attractive, but that's the way it is |
| 11:15.48 | vadi | PerfDave, do i need to do anything after arts is installed? |
| 11:15.48 | liable | idnar: I have perfectly working hardware thanks, retorical question |
| 11:15.51 | nevyn | cp ~ /etc/skel |
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| 11:16.01 | agabus | how to i find my system uptime? |
| 11:16.03 | idnar | liable: yes, I'm just saying |
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| 11:16.16 | nevyn | delire: for i in bob phil fred; do adduser $i; done |
| 11:16.19 | PerfDave | vadi: You need to tell applications to use it. xmms et al. have a native aRts output thingy, you can wrap other applications with artsdsp |
| 11:16.20 | paulswm | I have said what I have said. I use the hardware with Windows and with Linux, and it works fine. The principal use of the box is XP anyway. |
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| 11:16.27 | amorphix | greetings |
| 11:16.31 | liable | idnar: what if your a busted ass uni student who cant afford shit |
| 11:16.38 | amorphix | my KDA keeps crashing :-( |
| 11:16.42 | amorphix | *KDE |
| 11:16.50 | thoreauputic | agabus: type uptime in a terminal |
| 11:16.52 | cafuego | paulswm: That's no reason to assume it's a good idea to use ndiswrapper in the kernel. |
| 11:16.54 | liable | idnar: nice to have some sort of compromise |
| 11:16.56 | tobo | is there an easy way to convert raw audio to mp3, which packet am i to use? |
| 11:16.58 | rorot | After my updating from 2.4.20 to 2.6.10, my console cursor changed to a line, how can i change it back ? |
| 11:17.20 | paulswm | cafuego: If it stops working, I'll just take Linux off that box, problem solved |
| 11:17.21 | agabus | thoreauputic - thankyou |
| 11:17.22 | tuxy17 | how to get an ip adress from a MAC adress ? i've read the man of arp, but not shure if it is this command ? |
| 11:17.33 | delire | nevyn: i have looked at a script.. sadly i need them to input their own usernames and pw's (it's the way things are done around here). this is why a webmin interface would be good, they could do this one at a time under observation ;) |
| 11:17.34 | PerfDave | liable: If you've got no choice, that's what ndiswrapper is for. But if you do, then support pro-Linux hardware manufacturers, give them a reason to support us. |
| 11:17.38 | nevyn | delire: seriously /etc/skel is the answer to your woes. |
| 11:17.42 | delire | ok |
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| 11:17.52 | vulture | tuxy17: yes arp would be the right tool.. |
| 11:18.02 | liable | PerfDave: exactly my point, I *can* but many cant |
| 11:18.37 | vulture | hmm.. wait. Maybe not. |
| 11:18.37 | tuxy17 | vulture, thanks, i continue reading then :) |
| 11:18.38 | cafuego | liable: You can't begin to imagine the amount of pople that just debian and go "I just bought $FOO but it doesn't work!" |
| 11:18.44 | nevyn | delire: I'm somewhat confused about the configuration tho. |
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| 11:18.55 | PerfDave | liable: But even if you can't afford to buy Linux-supported hardware, you should still petition the manufacturer of your non-Linux hardware to support Linux in the future, with the threat of not continuing to support them financially. |
| 11:19.06 | vulture | tuxy17: Sorry, my bad. ARP resolves IP addresses to find MACs, not the other way around, so far as I know. So unless it's already in your cache you won't find it |
| 11:19.10 | cafuego | liable: Short of telling them to check whether hardware is supported BEFORE they decide to give a manufacturer of windows certificates their money |
| 11:19.23 | vadi | PerfDave, soo i have a program named Teamspeak how do i tell that source to run via arts via artsdsp ? |
| 11:19.25 | vulture | I don't think there's a way to query the network for an IP, given a MAC.. generally.. maybe there's something I've forgotten |
| 11:19.34 | nevyn | delire: each student has a debian box on their desk on which they need to setup a bunch of accounts? |
| 11:19.36 | liable | cafuego: yes I know, doesnt help particuarly with wireless chipsets when manufacters change the chipset but keep the model number |
| 11:19.56 | amorphix | is it just me or is KDE a little buggy |
| 11:20.04 | nevyn | delire: or.. there is one box on which all students are sharing a single account.. which now need each student to have a seperate account. |
| 11:20.05 | delire | nevyn: yes, that's where the above script doesn't apply so well ;) |
| 11:20.06 | cafuego | liable: Yes, in those cases it's really nice to inded emai the manufacturer and ask them for real drivers. |
| 11:20.12 | PerfDave | vulture: Just arping that MAC? |
| 11:20.14 | amorphix | 3 crashes in 2 days |
| 11:20.24 | liable | cafuego: have seen that happen, check model no. then manufacturer changes chipset |
| 11:20.29 | PerfDave | vadi: To run command foo via aRts, "artsdsp foo" should do it. |
| 11:20.38 | vulture | PerfDave: arp gives you the MAC when given the IP, not the other way around, so far as I am aware.. |
| 11:20.39 | nevyn | delire: students have root locally? |
| 11:20.43 | delire | no |
| 11:20.50 | tuxy17 | vulture, that's what i thought :/ |
| 11:20.53 | cafuego | liable: yes, The wg311 I have here, for instance. |
| 11:20.59 | nevyn | delire: sudo? |
| 11:21.04 | liable | cafuego: hah, I talked to IBM the other day about a wireless G card, asked the chipset |
| 11:21.04 | tuxy17 | any other ideas to find an Ip adress from a MAC adress ? |
| 11:21.06 | PerfDave | vulture: And arping allows you to ping specific MAC addresses, which seems like it needs to do a MAC -> IP translation. |
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| 11:21.14 | delire | nevyn: nope, sadly |
| 11:21.22 | Bozza | Hi, im on Debian Sarge using an iptables firewall, my mail server is on another box and i have port 25/110 forwarded so it can be accessed, But im having a problem with attachments from some hosts, is there something else i should be adding? |
| 11:21.23 | vulture | PerfDave: How does it allow you to do that? |
| 11:21.30 | cafuego | liable: And no, it also doesn't work with ndiswrapper, as there are no 64bit drivers |
| 11:21.34 | liable | Che said he would get back too me, 10mins later< ihad the chipset from googlwe |
| 11:21.50 | PerfDave | vulture: apt-cache show arping |
| 11:21.58 | nevyn | delire: but students need to create these accounts. |
| 11:21.59 | liable | cafuego: 5 days later he rang back saying soory, I cant tell you |
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| 11:22.23 | delire | nevyn: yes, i can tell you the long and boring story if you like ;) |
| 11:22.24 | vulture | PerfDave: interesting.. |
| 11:22.27 | nevyn | delire: create a script copy it to all the workstations make it setuid root ? |
| 11:22.28 | vulture | tuxy17: that may be useful |
| 11:22.36 | PerfDave | vulture: I've not used it, but it looks like it might be useful. |
| 11:22.43 | vulture | PerfDave: *nods* |
| 11:22.47 | nevyn | does anyone care if I take this offline? |
| 11:22.49 | liable | cafuego: he asked where I got it, I said google, he was fucked |
| 11:23.12 | nevyn | delire: I'd like but msg me we're OT here |
| 11:23.19 | delire | nevyn: hmm could be the best solution.. as long as we can recycle the existing ~ with all /etc/groups samba et al in place.. |
| 11:23.31 | delire | nevyn: ok, i'll msg |
| 11:24.00 | liable | cafuego: so you got stung? sorry busy typing to read reply |
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| 11:24.11 | vadi | PerfDave, still aint working... i sat xmms to ALSA module |
| 11:25.14 | liable | cafuego: thats sucks ass |
| 11:25.49 | vadi | PerfDave, it says that the pcm device (default) is busy |
| 11:25.51 | tobo | how do i convert raw audio to mp3? |
| 11:25.54 | cafuego | liable: Well, I can load the oss drivers via acx_111 and the binary firmware, but no WEP support |
| 11:26.15 | tobo | not audio cd but a raw audio from sound-recorder |
| 11:26.23 | tobo | +file |
| 11:26.26 | rikva | tobo: with lame? |
| 11:26.28 | PerfDave | vadi: You'll need to make sure that nothing is using the sound device, and tell aRts to use ALSA for output. |
| 11:26.30 | cafuego | liable: the v1 of that card works fine under Linux. it's just typical. |
| 11:26.30 | liable | cafuego: well, wep will only keep the kiddies out anyway |
| 11:26.46 | flawd | This is a stupid question but; if I do "rm -rf tn_*" shouldn't it remove all files that starts with "tn_" recursively? It only seems to work on the current dir |
| 11:26.47 | liable | cafuego: thats right, it sucks totally |
| 11:26.48 | PerfDave | IPSec >>> WEP :) |
| 11:26.52 | vadi | PerfDave, how do i tell aRts to use ALSA for output? |
| 11:27.02 | PerfDave | vadi: In the KDE Control Centre |
| 11:27.03 | delire | nevyn: i need them. a mess. |
| 11:27.12 | vadi | PerfDave, im using gnome :( |
| 11:27.20 | liable | cafuego: you email them? |
| 11:27.27 | PerfDave | vadi: You can still use the KDE Control Centre. |
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| 11:27.31 | tobo | rikva, im reading a guide right now, tnx =) |
| 11:27.36 | cafuego | liable: not yet, only got it 3 days ago. |
| 11:27.37 | vadi | PerfDave, w0t how? |
| 11:27.38 | PerfDave | vadi: run kcontrol. Install it if you have to. |
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| 11:28.07 | vadi | 10secs |
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| 11:28.56 | cafuego | liable: not that it's much of an issue, i was intending to use it in a wifi media box (running windoze) in the living room |
| 11:29.13 | vadi | PerfDave, kcontrol is open now |
| 11:29.20 | Schick | I've got a _hopefully_ little problem. Some folders on my USB HDD (ext2) changed to files (file output "empty string"). How to get my data back? |
| 11:29.20 | liable | cafuego: lucky, not the point though :) |
| 11:29.23 | PuGz | vadi: goto sound and multimedia |
| 11:29.26 | Sm4sh | Why my Hid joypad dont work well in Gxmame?In jscalibrator it work |
| 11:29.29 | PuGz | or whatever the thing on the left says |
| 11:29.34 | PuGz | then "Sound system" |
| 11:29.36 | cafuego | liable: indeed |
| 11:29.44 | PerfDave | vadi: Sound and Multimedia, Sound System. Select ALSA in the "Hardware" tab. |
| 11:29.50 | flawd | This is a stupid question but; if I do "rm -rf tn_*" shouldn't it remove all files that starts with "tn_" recursively? It only seems to work on the current dir |
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| 11:30.00 | PuGz | vadi: then click the second tab, and select alsa from the drop down menu |
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| 11:30.29 | PuGz | flawd: do you have write permission on all the files? |
| 11:30.33 | Schick | flawd: -R |
| 11:30.39 | flawd | yep |
| 11:30.50 | PuGz | Schick: actually... -r is ok too |
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| 11:31.09 | PuGz | flawd: then yes... it should |
| 11:31.15 | flawd | Schick, the man says "-r" OR "-R" |
| 11:31.17 | vadi | PerfDave, hmm in "Hardware" at the Seletec Audio device dropdown i only have: autodetect, open sound system, adavanced linux system blabla, no audio, jack something |
| 11:31.23 | vadi | PerfDave, no alsa in dropdown menu |
| 11:31.26 | Schick | ok |
| 11:31.40 | flawd | well it doesn't. and I am the owner of the files |
| 11:31.45 | Schick | How about my problem ext2 changes folder to file? |
| 11:31.54 | PuGz | vadi: advanced linux sound architecture IS alsa |
| 11:31.56 | shuning | alsa == advnaed linux sound <blah> vadi |
| 11:32.08 | flawd | im doing it manually by cd'ng to each dir and do rm -rf tn_* |
| 11:32.14 | PuGz | flawd: give a bigger description of your actions? |
| 11:32.32 | vadi | PerfDave, okay done, now what? |
| 11:32.56 | PuGz | flawd: the way recursive works is to delete any files with that beginning, and any folders (and their contents) with that beginning |
| 11:32.59 | PerfDave | vadi: Now aRts should be running and using ALSA to talk to the kernel. |
| 11:33.16 | PuGz | flawd: it DOESNT go into each folder and try and find files starting with tn_ |
| 11:33.31 | PerfDave | vadi: You should be able to test the sound from the "General" tab |
| 11:33.45 | vadi | PerfDave, ** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (default): device is busy or so |
| 11:33.46 | vadi | xmms |
| 11:33.48 | PerfDave | vadi: You probably want to turn off "auto-suspend" |
| 11:33.54 | PuGz | flawd: if you just tried rm tn_*... it would leave out directories... the -r deletes directories starting with tn_ aswell |
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| 11:34.07 | flawd | PuGz, My apologies then. I thought it would search the directories recursively for files starting with "tn_" and delete them |
| 11:34.10 | PerfDave | vadi: Does testing the sound in the kcontrol thing for aRts work? |
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| 11:34.17 | vadi | PerfDave, nope |
| 11:34.24 | PerfDave | vadi: What happens? |
| 11:34.32 | PuGz | flawd: no... but an ok mistake to make! |
| 11:34.32 | vadi | PerfDave, oh now it does |
| 11:34.37 | PuGz | flawd: understandable |
| 11:34.52 | PuGz | flawd: you could try some bash for loops! |
| 11:35.00 | vadi | PerfDave, ill try run xmms again |
| 11:35.02 | PerfDave | vadi: Good, turn off auto-suspend and you should be ready to go. Now you just need to tell xmms to use aRts for output. |
| 11:35.06 | flawd | PuGz, glad to know my system is not broken in any way, it was only my brain |
| 11:35.11 | vadi | PerfDave, ok |
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| 11:35.24 | PuGz | anyone know how to help flawd? for $i in ./tn_*; delete the buggers!; end... something like that |
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| 11:35.52 | PuGz | i dont do much bash scripting |
| 11:36.09 | PerfDave | flawd: This should do what you want, but I haven't tested it - find . -name 'tn_*' -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
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| 11:36.24 | vadi | PerfDave, okay i ran xmms i did go into sound configuration and then i picked alsa now when i try to play a mp3 it says: Please check that, your soundcard is configured blablabal No other probram is bloking the soundcard |
| 11:36.25 | PuGz | PerfDave: nice |
| 11:36.32 | agabus | i need some help with services. how can i stop appletalk from loading at boot and slowing my bootup time, and how can i start the CUPS so i can print from my smb windows printer? |
| 11:36.59 | vadi | PerfDave, lsof |grep dsp shows nada |
| 11:37.02 | PerfDave | vadi: You don't want xmms to use ALSA! Nothing can use ALSA now because aRts is using it and you can't have more than one sound at once! You want xmms to use aRts as output. |
| 11:37.11 | scarynetworkguy | vadi: Turn arts off and restart KDE it that works then you know that arts is buggy. |
| 11:37.15 | kajab | what's best and more functional HTML Editor for Debian? |
| 11:37.21 | nevyn | umm lots of things can use alsa. |
| 11:37.28 | delire | nevyn: ok, i have some research to do ;) |
| 11:37.28 | vulture | kajab: vim |
| 11:37.33 | nevyn | just configure dmix which is pretty simple. |
| 11:37.35 | delire | nevyn: thanks |
| 11:37.39 | vadi | PerfDave, in the module section there arent aRts |
| 11:37.41 | kajab | lol vulture |
| 11:37.42 | PuGz | just curious... what window manager do you guys use? i am trying to find a nice light one. ratpoison and ion are ok... but can get annoying! i like openbox... what else? |
| 11:37.42 | vadi | in xmms |
| 11:37.47 | flawd | PerfDave, will try ty and ty PuGz |
| 11:37.52 | kajab | xfce4! |
| 11:37.54 | nevyn | delire: don't get scared by the instructions for joining an SMB3 box to a AD domain it works. |
| 11:37.55 | PerfDave | vadi: install xmms-arts |
| 11:37.58 | PuGz | flawd: no probs |
| 11:38.08 | PuGz | flawd: sorry i couldnt do the bash script for ya! |
| 11:38.19 | Sm4sh | How I Can load the Himan Inerface module? |
| 11:38.28 | PuGz | PerfDave: oh yeah |
| 11:38.42 | PuGz | PerfDave: its nice... kde 3.4 is even nicer! |
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| 11:38.49 | PerfDave | The hymen interface module? Is that for virgin deflowering? |
| 11:38.57 | PuGz | PerfDave: but its not in debian yet |
| 11:39.03 | PuGz | PerfDave: lol! |
| 11:39.03 | Sm4sh | Human interface :) |
| 11:39.07 | vadi | PerfDave, weee ;) |
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| 11:39.26 | flawd | PuGz, :) You did flawds_insanity_meter--; which is nice enough! |
| 11:39.42 | PuGz | nice one |
| 11:39.48 | flawd | PerfDave, that works ty |
| 11:39.54 | PuGz | PuGz'_happy_meter++; |
| 11:40.00 | scarynetworkguy | s/wuvwy/bloated :P |
| 11:40.12 | PuGz | scarynetworkguy: i agree... but to each his own |
| 11:40.17 | PuGz | scarynetworkguy: what do you use? |
| 11:40.18 | vadi | PerfDave, PuGz thanks for your help guys! |
| 11:40.23 | PuGz | vadi: no probs |
| 11:40.40 | PuGz | thank PerfDave... he did it! and he helps me all the time! |
| 11:40.40 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: Nah, bloated would imply that it has more than it needs to be functional. It's big, but not bloated. |
| 11:40.52 | vadi | :D |
| 11:41.23 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: Insert standard anti-KDE argument #379 into the record at this point. :) |
| 11:41.27 | PuGz | PerfDave: more to the point... i dislike qt... especially if your not running kde |
| 11:41.34 | PuGz | it makes the kde progs load slowly |
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| 11:41.55 | PuGz | scarynetworkguy: so.... suggested alternative? |
| 11:42.02 | PerfDave | PuGz: *shrug* It's not a problem for me, since I run KDE. It's the nicest-looking GUI toolkit out there. |
| 11:42.05 | PuGz | scarynetworkguy: a not-so-bloadted wm |
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| 11:42.19 | PuGz | PerfDave: nicest looking... agreed |
| 11:42.20 | vadi | PerfDave, is it possibel in some way to hijack /dev/dsp soo it would be using /dev/dsp so i dont ned artdsp program |
| 11:43.26 | scarynetworkguy | PuGz: I use Openbox myself. |
| 11:43.26 | PuGz | PerfDave: debian should put kde 3.4 in sid already |
| 11:43.26 | vadi | so it would be using arts |
| 11:43.26 | vadi | even |
| 11:43.26 | PerfDave | vadi: Dunno. I just use artsdsp when I need to. |
| 11:43.26 | vadi | oki ;) |
| 11:43.26 | PerfDave | PuGz: They're getting Sarge out of the door. I respect that. |
| 11:43.26 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: I believe the euphemism is "feature-rich" :P |
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| 11:43.26 | PuGz | scarynetworkguy: same... what do you use with it? a panel? |
| 11:43.26 | PuGz | PerfDave: true... that NEEDS to be done |
| 11:43.29 | PuGz | PerfDave: then... xorg, kde 3.4 and gnome 2.10 |
| 11:43.54 | PuGz | paulswm: feature bloat... feature slow down... |
| 11:43.58 | PerfDave | PuGz: Yeah, I'm going to keep my Sarge boxes on Sarge rather than move them to Etch, but I might have to backport KDE 3.4 |
| 11:44.01 | PuGz | but... to each his own |
| 11:44.03 | CruX | hi, when i run mc as root in screen and press ctrl+o i got an "Not an xterm or Linux console;...." error, where's the problem ? as normal user it worx |
| 11:44.06 | amorphix | is Crucial Technlogy a good make for USB Flash Card Reader |
| 11:44.09 | fortran01 | my shell provider is asking me to indicate my IP range, unfortunately my ISP does not give the IP ranges, is there any way to get the IP range of my ISP? I appreciate any help. |
| 11:44.18 | paulswm | PuGz: I did say 'euphemism' |
| 11:44.21 | PuGz | PerfDave: is the next one called Etch? |
| 11:44.31 | paulswm | Yes, etch |
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| 11:44.45 | PuGz | CruX: have you ever tried crux linux? www.crux.nu |
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| 11:44.47 | amorphix | Can I use a Compact Flash card reader on USB to boot into Linux? |
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| 11:45.01 | PuGz | paulswm: indeed... you did! |
| 11:45.06 | PuGz | paulswm: cheers |
| 11:45.08 | paulswm | :) |
| 11:45.09 | Gilmer | Can anyone recommend a new good comedy movie ? |
| 11:45.13 | Gilmer | Thanks in advance. |
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| 11:45.17 | amorphix | Is Compact Flash faster than HDD for access time? |
| 11:45.18 | scarynetworkguy | amorphix: Does your mobo support booting from a USB device? |
| 11:45.18 | CruX | PuGz: no, why, it's only my nick |
| 11:45.32 | scarynetworkguy | amorphix: Good god no. |
| 11:45.40 | PuGz | i know... but it would be funny if u did! check it out! |
| 11:45.43 | paulswm | Gilmer: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
| 11:45.51 | amorphix | scarynetworkguy: I'm not sure it's an old Satellite Pro 460 laptop |
| 11:45.54 | PuGz | scarynetworkguy: do you use anything with openbox? pypanel? fbpanel? torsmo? etc |
| 11:46.12 | Gilmer | paulswm, thanks :D |
| 11:46.16 | PuGz | man i love debian |
| 11:46.17 | scarynetworkguy | amorphix: Almost certainly not. |
| 11:46.17 | amorphix | scarynetworkguy: but you would think it would since Compact Flash is more like RAM? |
| 11:46.20 | PuGz | its soo simple and cool |
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| 11:46.29 | amorphix | damn im screwed |
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| 11:46.33 | scarynetworkguy | PuGz: Mostly fbpanel. |
| 11:46.39 | PuGz | scarynetworkguy: same... |
| 11:46.44 | scarynetworkguy | amorphix: Go read a bit. |
| 11:46.51 | amorphix | scarynetworkguy: What options are there then instead of HDD? |
| 11:47.06 | PuGz | scarynetworkguy: how to you load X and openbox? i use gdm... but wanna load fbpanel when open box boots... dont know how though... |
| 11:47.06 | Agrajag- | ok. i think my dvd drive is screwed - i tried mounting a dvd and got "hdc: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x03)" and a couple of other not so nice messages. but my problem now is i have a couple of mount commands, and xine, which will not die |
| 11:47.08 | simonrvn | Gilmer: do we look like #movies? |
| 11:47.24 | Agrajag- | is there any way at all i can get rid of these dead mounts/xine without rebooting? |
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| 11:47.32 | amorphix | scarynetworkguy: Does HDD use alot more power than a Flash Card reader on USB? |
| 11:47.44 | PuGz | simonrvn: take it easy... the man just wants a movie |
| 11:47.49 | PuGz | simonrvn: hehe |
| 11:47.54 | Nolius | hello what is the password for the gdm user? |
| 11:47.55 | Gilmer | simonrvn, yep :D |
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| 11:48.16 | Gilmer | simonrvn, I just asked a question about movies and got an answer |
| 11:48.29 | wintix | amorphix: yes way more. |
| 11:48.31 | Gilmer | simonrvn, why ? Would you like any suggestions about a good movie ? |
| 11:48.34 | amorphix | woah |
| 11:48.38 | amorphix | i thought so |
| 11:48.38 | paulswm | God, the argument is going to be worse than the movie question |
| 11:48.47 | drac | Nolius: Use the login, and password you we're asked during installation. |
| 11:48.59 | Agrajag- | will my question get answered if i say i was trying to watch a movie? |
| 11:49.02 | amorphix | wintix: what would you recommend then for replacement of a HDD that uses less power but is bootable and werks on older mb |
| 11:49.24 | amorphix | FDD? |
| 11:49.26 | Gilmer | paulswm, no i got to go anyway, i'll leave him here annoying other people |
| 11:49.26 | wintix | amorphix: there are compact flash to ide adapter out there. |
| 11:49.39 | Nolius | drac a talk about the gdm user |
| 11:49.39 | wintix | amorphix: if u need less space, then use a FDD |
| 11:49.39 | amorphix | oh |
| 11:49.42 | paulswm | Agrajag-: as long as you're watching a natively supported debian approved movie |
| 11:49.56 | amorphix | i need alot of space i think |
| 11:50.07 | drac | Nolius: There is no default password for gdm user, you don't want to log in as gdm user. |
| 11:50.32 | wintix | amorphix: then, use a CF to IDE adapter. just google a bit. |
| 11:50.35 | amorphix | so i need to find an ide to compact flash adaptor |
| 11:50.36 | paulswm | Agrajag-: If you're watching one via nmoviewrapper, you'll be told to watch a "real movie" :P |
| 11:50.49 | amorphix | cool thanx |
| 11:50.54 | wintix | amorphix: np. |
| 11:51.05 | Nolius | i what to modify a paramaters in gnome-font-properties |
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| 11:51.29 | amorphix | wintix: will running from IDE use less power than USB? |
| 11:51.42 | Nolius | i think that the dpi is too big, so a have big font in gdm |
| 11:51.48 | Nolius | what can i do? |
| 11:51.54 | wintix | if u have an old MB u mostly cannot boot from usb. |
| 11:52.00 | amorphix | true |
| 11:52.04 | amorphix | but im just curious |
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| 11:52.37 | wintix | amorphix: no idea of the power difference. depends on the adapter u use. i think IDE to CF uses less power |
| 11:52.47 | amorphix | neat |
| 11:53.03 | amorphix | i need to save power |
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| 11:53.39 | amorphix | I've taken everything off my laptop i possibly can, and its just a mb now |
| 11:53.41 | Nolius | drac, how can I change the dpi for the gdm user? |
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| 11:54.20 | wintix | amorphix: i build independent data collectiong stations and i use CF to IDE. just take a look: http://www.projekt-pegel.de/image/P9066105.jpg in the top middle there is the CF to IDE adapter |
| 11:54.32 | amorphix | wintix: woah |
| 11:54.34 | agabus | can someone please help me stop the appletalk service from loading at bootup? |
| 11:54.52 | amorphix | wintix: u could just be the man i need to consult then for my project to build the worlds first solar powered webserver |
| 11:54.57 | amorphix | ;) |
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| 11:55.31 | wintix | amorphix: hm.. maybe :) |
| 11:55.40 | amorphix | what was your reasoning behind using IDE to CF? power conversation? |
| 11:55.41 | hyksos | agabus : do you got a file called apple* in /etc/init.d ? |
| 11:55.50 | liable | amorphix: how long did it last? |
| 11:55.54 | amorphix | *conservation |
| 11:55.56 | paulswm | agabus: If you don't use appletalk, remove netatalk |
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| 11:56.16 | amorphix | liable: i havent got it setup yet, just got the puter ready and im buying all the bits now |
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| 11:56.28 | amorphix | ive sourced the solar panels and a suitable battery |
| 11:56.30 | agabus | paulswm - i don't know what appletalk is, if its simply talking to apple machines, i don't need it?? |
| 11:56.50 | agabus | hyksos - no i don't have any file in there named apple, but i do have netatalk as paulswm mentioned |
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| 11:57.06 | liable | amorphix: why not just feed your solar panel into some deep cycle batts, then power from there |
| 11:57.13 | amorphix | wintix: I'm wondering if it's not better to use a Palm IIIx which already is setup for CF and uses less power |
| 11:57.33 | amorphix | liable: yes thats possibility |
| 11:57.51 | wintix | amorphix: main reason for using a CF to IDE adapter was that it is compacter and there are no additional cables and so which could unplug in worst case. |
| 11:57.58 | liable | amorphix: will work better than straight into laptop |
| 11:58.11 | wintix | amorphix: and EPIA boards cannot boot from CF directly, even if they have an CF slot |
| 11:58.21 | amorphix | i see |
| 11:58.22 | paulswm | agabus: Its Appletalk protocol, I don't have it installed |
| 11:58.36 | amorphix | someone has written a httpd for Palm OS 3 but it's a little unstable |
| 11:58.45 | wintix | heh |
| 11:58.55 | agabus | paulswm - ok so what shall i do to remove it? |
| 11:59.25 | liable | amorphix: used to live on solar power, you wouldnt need much to power a lappie |
| 11:59.32 | paulswm | agabus: 'aptitude purge netatalk' or 'apt-get remove --purge netatalk' |
| 11:59.34 | amorphix | wintix: is it your job to build the weather stations? |
| 11:59.51 | amorphix | liable: woah, you powered everything? |
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| 12:00.31 | liable | amorphix: fridge, radio, basic low power appliances |
| 12:00.32 | amorphix | liable: but what about when theres no sun about, you would need to minimise power consumption everywhere possible eh |
| 12:00.53 | agabus | paulswm - k i'm removing it via synaptic. do u know why it comes by default with debian (sarge)? |
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| 12:01.11 | liable | amorphix: well, lived somewhere where there is always sun, |
| 12:01.13 | amorphix | liable: I want to see if i can run the webserver reliably with just solar and battery combo indefinitely |
| 12:01.46 | liable | amorphix: northern australia during dry season, always sunny |
| 12:01.50 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 12:02.02 | amorphix | i live in the UK where the weather is very changeable and the summer is short |
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| 12:02.22 | wintix | amorphix: it isnt a weather station. its collcting water levels from rivers. the project is a project by the "technisches hilfswerk" in germany. (see www.thw.de .. there is an english version, too) we build those stations mainly in our free time. |
| 12:02.23 | liable | amorphix: lots of good batteries then |
| 12:02.38 | youbastard | hi all |
| 12:02.40 | amorphix | wintix: excellent |
| 12:02.55 | qwertz | Hi! Has anybody his creative player got to work with gnomad2? Find my zen micro in /proc/bus/usb/devices but gnomad2 doesn't find the player. Any suggestions? |
| 12:03.17 | liable | amorphix: wind, as the alternative? |
| 12:03.31 | amorphix | yes thats a possibility, i was thinking about that earlier |
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| 12:04.33 | liable | amorphix: yacht wind generators are good |
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| 12:05.17 | youbastard | The jigdo files I've been using for sarge have changed overnight while downloading, the isos have been created, does anyone think I can use them? |
| 12:05.36 | liable | youbastard: try them and see |
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| 12:05.40 | wintix | amorphix: btw, we use solar-modules which provide 3 time more energy than the unit needs. with the power the unit doesnt need we charge a gel-battery (about 50 Ah capacity) with integrated charging electronic. |
| 12:06.14 | youbastard | I'll try and see |
| 12:06.40 | amorphix | coool |
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| 12:06.48 | liable | youbastard: why are you using it anyway? out of interest |
| 12:06.49 | youbastard | thanks, bye |
| 12:06.55 | youbastard | sarge? |
| 12:07.16 | youbastard | liable: I've fucked up SID with Ubuntu, |
| 12:07.16 | liable | youbastard: no jidgo |
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| 12:07.42 | liable | youbastard: well serves you right then :-) |
| 12:07.42 | youbastard | liable: because it says on debian.org it's the best way |
| 12:07.45 | optiks | could someone running debian please do me a huge favour and send /etc/init.d/apache ? |
| 12:08.05 | liable | youbastard: use the net install |
| 12:08.05 | optiks | I accidentally deleted it and *can't* find it again :S |
| 12:08.40 | liable | optiks: how did you delete it? |
| 12:09.01 | youbastard | liable: I'm stupid, should've thought about it |
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| 12:09.20 | optiks | I was cleaning up some files (after a find), and pasted the wrong line :S |
| 12:09.36 | mops_ | under which user should I run mrtg? |
| 12:09.48 | optiks | an apache reinstall needs the file, and doesn't appear to reinstall it |
| 12:10.05 | liable | optiks: purge then reinstall |
| 12:10.15 | wintix | amorphix: www.linuxdingsda.de/pegelbild <- if u are interested: this is a graphical view of some collected data |
| 12:10.53 | liable | youbastard: are you running debian or ubuntu |
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| 12:11.17 | optiks | liable, still no luck: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/apache: file does not exist |
| 12:11.19 | youbastard | liable: debian, I don't see any reason why I should switch |
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| 12:12.02 | liable | optiks: you removed --purge then re-install |
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| 12:12.21 | liable | ? |
| 12:12.45 | optiks | argh! /me bows down :) |
| 12:12.46 | optiks | thanks |
| 12:12.57 | liable | youbastard: how did you fuck sid with ubuntu? |
| 12:14.01 | liable | 22:10 >> youbastard<< liable: I've fucked up SID with Ubuntu, |
| 12:14.07 | youbastard | liable: I installed xorg, just wanted to see transparency |
| 12:14.50 | youbastard | liable: libgcc1 from experimental had some problems |
| 12:15.09 | liable | youbastard: well then, your fucked eh? |
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| 12:16.15 | youbastard | liable: no, just saving /etc and /home, and reinstall (like the good old Windows days) |
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| 12:16.35 | amorphix | wintix: :-) |
| 12:16.37 | groton | hello all |
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| 12:16.56 | amorphix | wintix: impressive |
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| 12:17.18 | amorphix | wintix: so why dont they pay you to do this, the local authorities? |
| 12:17.26 | youbastard | liable: in fact I don't need SID, and I don't need Ubuntu, so I'm "downgrading" to sarge |
| 12:17.44 | groton | someone knows why suddenly all the characters of my bash shell are uppercase? :) it is funny :) |
| 12:18.03 | liable | youbastard: you have lost me, looking back I dont know what the fuck you are actually trying to do |
| 12:18.07 | amorphix | wintix: IDE to CF adaptors are impossible to find on eBay, what about PCMCIA CF adaotor...could work? |
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| 12:18.52 | liable | amorphix: if you have no sun, what about wind? |
| 12:19.00 | inu | youbastard, sounds like you've made a mess. |
| 12:19.06 | inu | !tell youbastard -about downgrade |
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| 12:19.20 | amorphix | liable: theres plenty of wind here, and i live on the 2nd floor...but i would need planning permission to erect masts |
| 12:19.54 | liable | amorphix: nah, little yacht wind genorator, on a stand will do it |
| 12:20.05 | amorphix | hehe |
| 12:20.11 | amorphix | i would like to try it |
| 12:20.47 | liable | amorphix: you could make one out of a car alternater I think |
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| 12:20.47 | amorphix | I'd like to prove that alternative energy is viable for real world applications |
| 12:21.00 | youbastard | Thanks inu, I've got something to read, bye |
| 12:21.20 | amorphix | liable you are resourceful, have you looked into this? |
| 12:22.17 | liable | amorphix: no, lived in *very* remote places, so know a bit about it |
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| 12:22.17 | amorphix | cool |
| 12:22.51 | optiks | Invalid command 'ExtendedStatus', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 12:22.51 | optiks | failed |
| 12:23.09 | wintix | amorphix: afaik u cant boot from pcmcia |
| 12:23.14 | optiks | any idea how to fix this in apache? apparently mod_status isn't being loaded, but I can't find out what line I need to do that? |
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| 12:23.23 | liable | amorphix: you can make a car alternator make 240 volts easily |
| 12:23.47 | amorphix | phew |
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| 12:24.10 | wintix | amorphix: jsut a moment... ill find a adapter for u :) |
| 12:24.15 | amorphix | i must wait until a ide-to-CF adaptor comes along |
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| 12:24.26 | amorphix | :D |
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| 12:25.24 | liable | optiks: maybe look at your config, maybe its mispelled :) |
| 12:25.49 | optiks | it's not, liable, others have had the same problem ... and this is straight out of a new install |
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| 12:26.27 | wintix | amorphix: maybe this is what u want: http://www.cfide.co.uk/compact_flash_ide_adapters.shtml |
| 12:26.39 | liable | optiks: and if you load mod-status? it works? |
| 12:27.37 | amorphix | wintix: phew expensive! i can buy a laptop for this :P |
| 12:27.37 | Nostromo^ | is there a way to force a root login to be with a NIS supplied root rather than the local /etc/passwd one? (assuming i want to keep the order 'files nis' in /etc/nsswitch.conf) |
| 12:27.46 | optiks | I've got no idea how to load it |
| 12:27.58 | optiks | it doesn't appear to have installed it |
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| 12:28.04 | liable | optiks: clean install of apache? |
| 12:28.05 | wintix | amorphix: for 19$? |
| 12:28.22 | optiks | yep |
| 12:28.32 | amorphix | wintix: i bought a laptop for £20 1 month ago from ebay |
| 12:28.52 | wintix | amorphix: huh.. ok... |
| 12:29.02 | wintix | amorphix: if u want to use CF u have to buy the CF card, too.. |
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| 12:29.18 | amorphix | wintix: im lucky to have some spare cards laying around |
| 12:29.25 | amorphix | since i use Canon Powershot which takes CF |
| 12:29.26 | wintix | :) |
| 12:29.26 | fortran01 | my shell provider is asking me to indicate my IP range, unfortunately my ISP does not give the IP ranges, how can I determin the IP range using my IP address and netmask: http://rafb.net/paste/results/mvgLU069.html Any help appreciated. |
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| 12:30.04 | wintix | amorphix: CF is the best medium for camersa.. widely supported and so. |
| 12:30.10 | liable | optiks: dpkg-reconfigure apche no to extended status |
| 12:30.17 | Gnea | fortran01: ipcalc |
| 12:30.18 | amorphix | fortran01: how about doing a whois on your IP address? |
| 12:30.19 | anhi | fortran01: i guess your provider has multiple-ip pools, so that could be a problem (mine has got ~40 of them) |
| 12:30.21 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.41 | amorphix | wintix: i got 128mb CF for £5 from ebay, good price i think |
| 12:30.49 | wintix | jepp |
| 12:30.49 | tarzeau | the file is there but ls: status: Input/output error |
| 12:30.53 | optiks | Reloading apache modulesNo process in pidfile `/var/run/apache.pid' found running; none killed. |
| 12:30.53 | optiks | Syntax error on line 211 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: |
| 12:30.53 | optiks | Invalid command 'ExtendedStatus', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 12:30.53 | optiks | failed |
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| 12:31.05 | optiks | bit harsh :( |
| 12:31.12 | Gnea | no |
| 12:31.15 | wintix | optiks: do NOT flood. use pastebin.de instead. |
| 12:31.17 | Gnea | not harsh at all |
| 12:31.23 | Gnea | optiks: /topic |
| 12:31.25 | optiks | sorry... |
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| 12:31.57 | eskaypey | what is a good file manager for fluxbox |
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| 12:32.28 | wintix | eskaypey: depends on what u want. |
| 12:32.30 | gahan | where do i find subtitle converter for linux? |
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| 12:32.59 | eskaypey | wintix: just file management and nice looks |
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| 12:33.28 | eskaypey | wintix: tryed gentoo but its not very eye candy |
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| 12:33.46 | amorphix | fortran01: 202.81.160.0 - 202.81.191.255 isnt it? |
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| 12:34.57 | wintix | eskaypey: do u want something small or may it use kde libs? |
| 12:35.17 | amorphix | does anyone know if Intel Anypoint Wireless PCMCIA is supported? |
| 12:35.26 | guest_ | hi, when try to login as su in non-root, after the password, i have this message "setgid: operation not permitted." any suggestion? |
| 12:35.32 | eskaypey | wintix: yeah something small |
| 12:35.34 | amorphix | these look like Wintel |
| 12:35.44 | liable | optiks: did you try the reconfibure command? |
| 12:35.56 | optiks | yes, liable, the same error occurs |
| 12:36.15 | optiks | http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/svlug/2002-December/043045.html seems to have had exactly the same problems -- but I can't find a fix :( |
| 12:36.49 | Cyanophytes | is it possible to run 32bit dos apps with dosemu or wine? |
| 12:36.49 | liable | optiks: maybe a dist-upgrade will help, dunno |
| 12:36.49 | tarzeau | i have some disk problem with status and status-old how can i fix my /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 12:37.04 | tarzeau | Cyanophytes: try with dosbox |
| 12:37.25 | tarzeau | Cyanophytes: do you mean stuff that uses dos4gw (protected mode) stuff? |
| 12:37.46 | tarzeau | eskaypey: try gnustep and gworkspace.app ? |
| 12:38.11 | optiks | phew... it just worked... random. |
| 12:38.12 | amorphix | " Intel research shows that Windows NT and Linux are not among the most widely used operating systems in multiple-PC homes." |
| 12:38.14 | liable | optiks: thats a very old thread |
| 12:38.17 | amorphix | wtf |
| 12:38.25 | guest_ | no answer for my problem? |
| 12:38.58 | jesperj | I would like to only use png files on my site (because they are patent free) but I just can not when the best I can do with converting a jpg file to png with imagemagick's convert and then run it through pngcrush gives me a png with size 130K compared to the 24 K jpg! :( Am I doing it wrong? : for f in *.jpg;do convert -quality 95 "$f" "${f%jpg}png";done; then run each file through convert --brute |
| 12:38.58 | streuner | !listvals status |
| 12:38.58 | liable | guest_: you running ubuntu? |
| 12:39.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'status' by value (15 of 2254): rfc1015 ;; rfc1035 ;; rfc110 ;; rfc1142 ;; rfc12 ;; rfc1266 ;; rfc1466 ;; rfc1545 ;; rfc1736 ;; rfc1834 ;; rfc1901 ;; rfc685 ;; rfc734 ;; rfc922 ;; rfc963. |
| 12:39.05 | streuner | argh |
| 12:39.08 | guest_ | no, debian |
| 12:39.21 | streuner | tarzeau: did you try apt-get update? |
| 12:39.36 | wintix | eskaypey: xfm is very small... but doesn't look nice ;) |
| 12:39.36 | jesperj | i mean pngcrush --brute |
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| 12:40.09 | streuner | tarzeau: what did you do? Did you mv status-old status? |
| 12:41.17 | liable | guest_: more info |
| 12:41.27 | tarzeau | streuner: yep it doesn't work |
| 12:41.35 | tarzeau | streuner: and the mv won't work (disk broken) |
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| 12:41.46 | tarzeau | streuner: well not really but telling me to access outside something stuff |
| 12:41.49 | Trewas | jesperj: pngs are losslessly compressed so the compression ratios are not very good for photograph etc type images |
| 12:42.02 | bbrazil | jesperj: jpgs are optimized for photos and are lossy, png are for 'exactness' and lossless, you result isn't too suprising in that light |
| 12:42.11 | tarzeau | streuner: so of the 500k status-old i only get a 50k status |
| 12:42.26 | tarzeau | streuner: i bet i can't just take it from another machine :( |
| 12:43.09 | agabus | why does sarge not have openoffice 1.1.4 even though its been out for so long? |
| 12:43.39 | jesperj | Trewas, bbrazil which is sad as it is such a great format since it is patent free. It is the only patent free web format I know. gif and jpegs aren't... |
| 12:44.10 | liable | agabus: good reason for needing it? |
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| 12:44.38 | agabus | liable - well why would OO.org release a new version if it had no bug-fixes/new features |
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| 12:44.42 | bjk | is it possible to connect to an open tcp file descriptor and write to it from an external program? |
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| 12:45.21 | liable | agabus: back to the question |
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| 12:45.51 | agabus | liable - are bug-fixes/new features a good enough reason to upgrade versions? |
| 12:45.52 | inu | agabus, and no doubt new bugs, and why do you need features which you don't even appear to know about? |
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| 12:46.25 | agabus | im just wondering why it hasn't been updated |
| 12:46.31 | liable | agabus: you have probs with the one you have? |
| 12:46.40 | tarzeau | agabus: why would you want that version of OOo? |
| 12:47.01 | jesperj | Trewas, bbrazil ; because there isn't really any totally free option to png for webpages right? |
| 12:47.03 | agabus | lol seems like a sensitive topic ay |
| 12:47.06 | liable | agabus: it will, you can always get the source and compile your own |
| 12:47.12 | MASoft | anyone from Germany ? plz pm me |
| 12:47.19 | agabus | liable - lol well i know that |
| 12:47.26 | tarzeau | !dpkg tell MASoft about ask |
| 12:47.29 | tarzeau | !dpkg tell MASoft about german |
| 12:47.35 | inu | agabus, no, but you seem to be deluding yourself that 'latest is always the greatest' |
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| 12:47.47 | liable | MASoft: maybe #debian.de |
| 12:48.16 | tarzeau | inu: some software never will be great |
| 12:48.25 | agabus | inu - yeh i take ur point |
| 12:48.31 | MASoft | tarzeau, It's a general question, not very related to this channel ! so It's not right to ask in Channel |
| 12:48.40 | inu | tarzeau, too true :) |
| 12:48.51 | paulswm | Yeah, for example, Windows ME and Microsoft Bob were once the latest, but hardly the greatest |
| 12:48.56 | streuner | tarzeau: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/status* |
| 12:48.56 | tarzeau | MASoft: www.debian.org/consultants |
| 12:49.07 | Trewas | jesperj: not that I know of, though no one is asking for license fees for jpegs |
| 12:49.19 | streuner | tarzeau: ls -l /var/backups/dpkg.* |
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| 12:49.34 | jesperj | Trewas, ...yeah I know. But they are still evil :D |
| 12:49.43 | tarzeau | streuner: MY HERO! |
| 12:49.53 | liable | tarzeau: whats wrong with open office |
| 12:50.13 | tarzeau | liable: if you ask that directly, it's the worst software i've ever seen |
| 12:50.14 | streuner | tarzeau: you need to reinstall those packages which you installed in the meantime, have fun. |
| 12:50.50 | liable | tarzeau: yeah, but considering the compatibility thing, I think its ok |
| 12:51.13 | streuner | tarzeau: that's in my system 7-8 hrs. difference (time) |
| 12:51.41 | d00d | lol\ |
| 12:51.42 | tarzeau | streuner: ext3-fs errors in dmesg |
| 12:51.48 | paulswm | tarzeau: I'm OK with OO for my mostly spreadsheet needs, but what do you think is better? The gnome thingy? |
| 12:51.51 | tarzeau | streuner: the crap remounted it ro |
| 12:52.04 | liable | tarzeau: how do you look at .doc 's |
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| 12:52.20 | tarzeau | liable: don't have .doc 's, i have .rtf 's |
| 12:52.28 | tarzeau | paulswm: this http://mediawiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Porting_NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP_Applications |
| 12:53.07 | PerfDave | OPENSTEP, FOR GREAT CAPITALS! |
| 12:53.24 | liable | tarzeau: anything windows, which, if your sending a resume or antfuckingthing, oo is ok |
| 12:53.38 | snooo | what module do you need to load to get ATI DRI support for an old biege powermac? |
| 12:53.56 | MASoft | What's the most operating system in Germany Universities ? Linux (and which one) ? |
| 12:54.11 | liable | biege, is that a model? |
| 12:54.21 | MASoft | tarzeau, that room is in German, my german is weak ! |
| 12:54.29 | snooo | liable: err, yeah :) the old G3 |
| 12:54.45 | snooo | liable: they went all sugar coloured after that |
| 12:54.50 | streuner | MASoft: not linux |
| 12:55.05 | MASoft | streuner, Windows ?! |
| 12:55.29 | streuner | MASoft: NT and Solaris |
| 12:55.59 | liable | snooo: maybe 'radeon' |
| 12:56.18 | MASoft | streuner, r u live in Germany ? |
| 12:56.26 | liable | snooo: or 'radeonfb' |
| 12:57.17 | streuner | MASoft: keep it in channel. |
| 12:57.41 | liable | tarzeau: what are .rtf's seriously |
| 12:57.50 | MASoft | streuner, "Do u live in Germany ?", I asked. |
| 12:57.56 | streuner | MASoft: yes |
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| 12:58.30 | snooo | liable: i dont think that supports the ati rage pro tho' |
| 12:58.37 | snooo | :-/ |
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| 12:59.15 | MASoft | streuner, Do you know anything about study of foreign students in Germany ? (in Computer Engineering field) |
| 12:59.36 | liable | snooo: lspci, old laptop? rage chipset, not old |
| 12:59.41 | streuner | MASoft: no |
| 13:00.07 | tarzeau | liable: rich text format |
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| 13:00.26 | liable | tarzeau: wtf is that |
| 13:00.26 | MASoft | streuner, and the last ques. , Is germany universities, free ? |
| 13:00.35 | tarzeau | liable: like html kinda |
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| 13:00.52 | tarzeau | liable: here's some example: http://www.linuks.mine.nu:81/gnustep/gnustep-manual.rtf |
| 13:00.56 | streuner | MASoft: yes |
| 13:01.03 | tarzeau | liable: you can read/write them using textedit.app |
| 13:01.16 | tarzeau | liable: actually they can even have pictures embedded, as rtfd |
| 13:01.24 | liable | tarzeau: looking |
| 13:01.31 | MASoft | streuner, I forgot this one ! How much is the average payment of Student living in Germany ? |
| 13:01.34 | tarzeau | liable: that's also the standard document on Mac OS X (they've got TextEdit.app too) |
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| 13:01.50 | tarzeau | liable: this stuff exists at least since 1988 |
| 13:02.08 | tarzeau | liable: i mean if you got a .doc it'll look different on any printer, any computer, and any version of your software |
| 13:02.19 | streuner | MASoft: 'average payment of Student'? |
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| 13:02.38 | liable | tarzeau: oo just showed it ok, what you on about? |
| 13:02.58 | tarzeau | liable: no oo shows .doc's different than on other .doc editors |
| 13:03.09 | tarzeau | liable: it's really a horrible nightmare |
| 13:03.56 | MASoft | streuner, Excuse me :P the expense of living for a Student per month |
| 13:04.10 | liable | tarzeau: yeah but isnt .doc a close source windows fuck brain shiity format, at least you can see it |
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| 13:04.24 | tarzeau | liable: yes it is |
| 13:04.32 | tarzeau | liable: well most of the time you see it wrong |
| 13:04.34 | streuner | MASoft: well, its up to the student itself what needs he have? ;-) |
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| 13:05.12 | liable | tarzeau: so be thankfull that some smart linux people have actually got it right |
| 13:05.12 | MASoft | streuner, a normal life ! |
| 13:05.24 | Pappa | is there an easy way to remove just about anything that's related to xfree? |
| 13:05.48 | tarzeau | Pappa: client or server? |
| 13:05.53 | Pappa | both |
| 13:05.55 | streuner | MASoft: hard to say, it depends on the region mostly, if you have to pay a high rent for a room or such you need more money |
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| 13:06.08 | tarzeau | Pappa: no there isn't |
| 13:06.35 | paulswm | Pappa: I haven't found one yet, I am considering reinstalling sarge as a simpler option :) |
| 13:06.43 | liable | Pappa: *why* do you want to do that |
| 13:06.58 | tarzeau | liable: plenty good reasons for that |
| 13:07.08 | paulswm | like converting a desktop to a server |
| 13:07.12 | liable | tarzeau: such as? |
| 13:07.15 | tarzeau | liable: some more installed about every shit to try out without keeping track what is needed and what not |
| 13:07.21 | tarzeau | s/more/moron/ |
| 13:07.30 | Pappa | because it's seriously screwed up now. can't fix it either. |
| 13:07.36 | liable | tarzeau: lost me |
| 13:07.39 | streuner | MASoft: if you live in Munich or Hamburg or Berlin, you have to pay, of course, more for that |
| 13:07.41 | tarzeau | Pappa: was it alsways a true debian system? |
| 13:07.47 | tarzeau | Pappa: is there non-debian stuff on it? |
| 13:07.48 | Pappa | yes |
| 13:07.55 | Pappa | not as i know |
| 13:08.01 | tarzeau | Pappa: well go through dpkg -l |
| 13:08.04 | Pappa | the nvidia driver is installed with apt |
| 13:08.23 | resiak | What's wrong with performing shell pipeline gymnastics on the x11 package section? |
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| 13:08.39 | tarzeau | resiak: go try |
| 13:08.42 | MASoft | streuner, What about a city like stuttgard (I hope I wrote with right spell :P ) |
| 13:08.43 | liable | Pappa: you could try debfoster, even though I dont understand what your doing |
| 13:08.57 | resiak | tarzeau: You say this as if I will fail. |
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| 13:09.01 | streuner | MASoft: well, Stuttgart isn't cheap |
| 13:09.04 | tarzeau | resiak: because there is plenty x11 stuff not in the x11 section ;) |
| 13:09.05 | eskaypey | how do i find out what a package depends on |
| 13:09.09 | tarzeau | resiak: you will! |
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| 13:09.27 | tarzeau | eskaypey: apt-cache show pkg |grep ^Depends |
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| 13:09.30 | resiak | tarzeau: But surely all the base X libs are in there? |
| 13:09.36 | vijay | Hi debian! |
| 13:09.48 | MeeE | hiiii |
| 13:09.53 | MeeE | anybody there ? |
| 13:09.54 | MASoft | streuner, Do you think more than 500euro per month ? |
| 13:10.03 | MeeE | i need some help abt java |
| 13:10.05 | Ronin | MASoft: you know this is all likely available online |
| 13:10.06 | streuner | MASoft: the universities have mostly 'Studentenwohnheime' which give you the chance to get a cheap room |
| 13:10.06 | vijay | is there any dictionary product in debian |
| 13:10.13 | paulswm | MeeE: No, there's nobody here except me |
| 13:10.14 | tarzeau | !java MeeE |
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| 13:11.03 | paulswm | Well that was a short visit |
| 13:11.32 | MASoft | MPlayer have any License problem ?!?! most of linuxes doesn't have it ! why ? |
| 13:11.38 | abcs | i have set kde fonts to the desired size but all my applications config window fonts are very small. why? |
| 13:11.42 | tarzeau | MASoft: read the mailing lists about that |
| 13:11.55 | tarzeau | MASoft: knokw www.debian.org/News/weekly ? |
| 13:12.07 | tarzeau | abcs: for kde? |
| 13:12.14 | tarzeau | abcs: which applications? |
| 13:12.26 | liable | MASoft: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 13:12.36 | abcs | say, gkrellm |
| 13:12.43 | tarzeau | abcs: that's a gkrellm problem |
| 13:12.57 | abcs | how to solve? |
| 13:12.57 | tarzeau | abcs: and see gtk1/gtk2 font configuring (gtk-theme-switch/switch(1/2)) |
| 13:13.05 | tarzeau | abcs: get rid of gkrellm or hack it |
| 13:13.56 | abcs | it is not the gkrellm problem, i am using it as one example. any application, if i open the config window say, the font is too small. |
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| 13:14.08 | tarzeau | abcs: screenshot? |
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| 13:14.25 | abcs | ok, wait a while. |
| 13:14.59 | asg | vijay: apt-get install dictd |
| 13:16.07 | amorphix | wow Compact Flash uses 5% of the power than a 2.5" HDD |
| 13:16.21 | asg | amorphix: no moving parts |
| 13:16.29 | amorphix | incredible |
| 13:16.42 | liable | amorphix: your a freak :-) |
| 13:16.45 | amorphix | haha |
| 13:16.47 | amorphix | :P |
| 13:16.56 | liable | hippy |
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| 13:17.41 | Gathond | amorphix: but CF in 60 GiB is hard to come by :) |
| 13:17.54 | amorphix | how do you get the CF to use the 3v instead of the 5v as they seem to be able to run on either voltage |
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| 13:18.18 | amorphix | or is that just a hardware limitation |
| 13:18.33 | Gathond | amorphix: send a 3V Vcc to it, probably only possible if you design a controller |
| 13:18.38 | amorphix | ive seen some 20GB CF earlier on ebay |
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| 13:18.47 | liable | amorphix: thats from docs? |
| 13:18.57 | amorphix | sure |
| 13:19.09 | liable | amorphix: would imagine a upper and lower |
| 13:19.15 | amorphix | yes |
| 13:20.06 | liable | amorphix: 20G flash? |
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| 13:20.35 | Gathond | amorphix: but at an insane pricetag right? |
| 13:20.54 | amorphix | well 20GB CF are going for around £40-50 |
| 13:21.07 | amorphix | (on ebay) |
| 13:21.09 | abcs | tarzeau: i hv got the screenshot as a file, how to put it to the irc or to you? |
| 13:21.30 | liable | Gathond: yup, you could run a coal generator for five years for the price of 20G flash :) |
| 13:21.45 | Gathond | amorphix: sounds to me like a scam, as that is about the same as a new 1 GB card cost the last time I checked prices |
| 13:21.50 | darkcmd | anyone know if Evolution 2.0.4 is much different than 2.0.3? |
| 13:22.00 | asg | darkcmd: check the changelog |
| 13:22.15 | liable | darkcmd: prolly not |
| 13:22.24 | amorphix | Gathond: they still have a couple of hours to go, maybe the price will rocket up |
| 13:23.10 | liable | amorphix: seriously, 20G flash? didnt know there was such an animal |
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| 13:23.27 | amorphix | sorry these are microdrive flash cards |
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| 13:23.54 | amorphix | im astonished how cheap they are |
| 13:24.04 | darkcmd | asg, the changelog on Novells site? |
| 13:24.26 | Gathond | liable: I think very large flash things have been made ... seems to remember reading about one in the 50K pricerange |
| 13:24.27 | liable | amorphix: microdive flash card?????? |
| 13:24.36 | amorphix | hehe yes |
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| 13:24.42 | abcs | tarzeau: i hv got the screenshot as a file, how to put it to the irc or to you? |
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| 13:25.19 | darkcmd | abcs, upload it to a webserver, and paste the link |
| 13:25.27 | amorphix | well i guess a microdrive isnt a flash storage device, but just uses the same interface eh |
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| 13:26.14 | abcs | darkcmd: is that the only way? no irc command? |
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| 13:26.17 | liable | amorphix: go the good deep cell batteries, with standard hdd |
| 13:26.32 | asg | darkcmd: if they list it. Otherwise, grab a source tarball or look in the debian package. |
| 13:26.33 | amorphix | those batteries would cost a fortune? |
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| 13:26.39 | Gathond | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/29/218244&tid=198&tid=184 (12 GB CF card for only $14K) |
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| 13:26.46 | darkcmd | abcs, if the person agrees, you can DCC it |
| 13:26.53 | amorphix | Gathond: phew! |
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| 13:27.07 | liable | amorphix: even standard car batts will do, fuck, a hdd doesnt use that much |
| 13:27.07 | amorphix | the price of a car |
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| 13:27.20 | amorphix | hehe |
| 13:27.22 | Gathond | amorphix: but you might be able to save some power by using 10 of those instead of that nice cheap IDE drive :) |
| 13:27.30 | ResPiDeR | hey.. my lilo doest show the other entries for boot options, for exemple my another debian in another partition.. it automatically boots this debian (this is a recent installation, lilo too) |
| 13:27.35 | amorphix | indeed |
| 13:27.41 | ResPiDeR | what can this be? |
| 13:28.09 | liable | ResPiDeR: why choose lilo? |
| 13:28.10 | abcs | darkcmd: instant messenger should be able to do it, right? |
| 13:28.10 | asg | ResPiDeR: check /etc/lilo.conf to see if your other partition is defined |
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| 13:28.20 | eskaypey | how do i remove one package and dont touch his dependancy.. like i installed gnome-panel and i want to remove gnome-control-center but live panel |
| 13:28.24 | darkcmd | abcs, on IRC? |
| 13:28.25 | asg | ResPiDeR: if it is, did you run /sbin/lilo to install the new config? |
| 13:28.25 | darkcmd | dude |
| 13:28.29 | darkcmd | what are you talking about? |
| 13:28.32 | ResPiDeR | asg: yes they are.. and yes |
| 13:29.02 | liable | eskaypey: debfoster |
| 13:29.02 | asg | ResPiDeR: well, when you boot, hold the left SHIFT key to prevent the auto-boot and see if you get the listing. |
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| 13:29.31 | eskaypey | is there a way to do it with apt? |
| 13:29.32 | ResPiDeR | asg: it appears LILO <version here> and only this... after a few secs it appears "Booting DebianHDA...." |
| 13:30.03 | amorphix | nobody wants to sell their IDE-to-CF adaptors :( |
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| 13:30.23 | asg | ResPiDeR: and holding shift or hitting a key doesn't bring up a menu? |
| 13:30.45 | ResPiDeR | asg no.. i tried to hit tab to show options or something but nothing happens |
| 13:30.53 | liable | amorphix: what actually is that |
| 13:30.59 | liable | amorphix: nm |
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| 13:32.00 | asg | ResPiDeR: check the 'boot=' line in /etc/lilo.conf. Does it point to your primary hard drive (i.e. /dev/hda or /dev/sda) ? |
| 13:32.11 | ResPiDeR | asg yes, /dev/hda |
| 13:32.12 | amorphix | liable: a little expansion board that goes into an IDE slot and takes a flash card |
| 13:32.30 | amorphix | you can set it up for master/slave as a bootable device |
| 13:32.37 | liable | amorphix: how many batts and panels you have? |
| 13:32.50 | asg | ResPiDeR: odd. When you run /sbin/lilo, does it indicate that it is configuring both your partitions or just one? |
| 13:33.09 | amorphix | zero heh. ive got a spare laptop battery and seen some solar panels on a couple of sites that could charge it |
| 13:33.23 | ResPiDeR | asg: |
| 13:33.24 | ResPiDeR | Added DebianHDA * |
| 13:33.24 | ResPiDeR | Added DebianHDA2 |
| 13:33.32 | ResPiDeR | Added DebianHDC |
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| 13:33.35 | ik-386 | hi |
| 13:33.49 | ik-386 | some one knows how change resolution? |
| 13:33.55 | asg | ResPiDeR: hmmm, one other thing. Add 'delay=100' to give you a longer timeout. |
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| 13:34.06 | amorphix | ik-386: right click on desktop |
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| 13:34.30 | liable | amorphix: a couple of panels and 12V batts should easily cover you |
| 13:34.38 | amorphix | neat |
| 13:34.39 | asg | ik-386: for X or console? |
| 13:34.42 | ik-386 | amorphix it only say for the background |
| 13:35.05 | ik-386 | asg yes |
| 13:35.07 | ResPiDeR | I'll try to reboot |
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| 13:35.32 | amorphix | hehe |
| 13:35.59 | liable | amorphix: except for your shitty weather :) then you want a wind generator |
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| 13:37.18 | amorphix | liable: maybe the battery could be extended to 20 hrs instead of 2hrs, without all the HDD, LCD, keyboard, fan |
| 13:37.18 | asg | ik-386: if you've configured X for multiple resolutions, ctrl+alt+keypad-{plus/minus} to cycle through them. If you haven't, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (and configure your resolutions.) |
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| 13:38.14 | amorphix | even 8-10 hrs would be good |
| 13:38.24 | ik-386 | asg oh ok :) |
| 13:38.54 | liable | amorphix: you should be able to see that draw on the batt, and current power and work it out |
| 13:39.10 | amorphix | yes |
| 13:39.32 | liable | amorphix: what lappie |
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| 13:40.00 | liable | amorphix: supports acpi? |
| 13:40.14 | lin_ast | what is dnat/snat ? |
| 13:40.16 | amorphix | tis a Toshiba Satellite Pro 440CDT, which is minus it's LCD which died so i used it for parts and now it's all in bits |
| 13:40.42 | asg | lin_ast: destination nat / source nat |
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| 13:41.09 | lin_ast | asg: how i can use it for security |
| 13:41.14 | liable | amorphix: so it doesnt work now? |
| 13:41.21 | lin_ast | friend i am new to linux |
| 13:41.22 | asg | lin_ast: man iptables |
| 13:41.36 | amorphix | liable: works just fine! |
| 13:41.52 | liable | amorphix: so its running |
| 13:41.55 | lin_ast | thx |
| 13:42.08 | amorphix | when u strip all the casing and extras off it makes for a very small puter |
| 13:42.13 | amorphix | yeah its been running |
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| 13:42.36 | asg | lin_ast: then I'd read the iptables HOWTO also, since firewall hacking takes some getting used to (or use a convenience package like shorewall or bastille to generate iptables rules for you.) |
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| 13:42.46 | liable | amorphix: does it do acpi, you can gather batt usage from that |
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| 13:42.56 | amorphix | i dunno i will have to check |
| 13:43.15 | lin_ast | ok |
| 13:43.28 | lin_ast | i want to understant this terms |
| 13:43.37 | asg | lin_ast: also, there is a #iptables channel devoted to the topic |
| 13:43.51 | lin_ast | ok |
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| 13:44.27 | Eclipser | does using mkfs.ext3 on some ext3 partition act like "formatting" it would or is there a different command for formatting a partition? |
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| 13:44.49 | liable | lin_ast: what do you want to do? |
| 13:44.55 | asg | Eclipser: yes, mkfs will create a new filesystem on a partition ovewriting what was on it before |
| 13:45.04 | MacKiller | Bonjour tous ! Hi All ! |
| 13:45.08 | asg | !fr |
| 13:45.09 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 13:45.14 | Eclipser | asg, thought so, thanks |
| 13:45.18 | asg | Eclipser: you're welcome |
| 13:45.34 | amorphix | [14:43:48] <MacKiller> Bonjour tous ! Hi All ! |
| 13:45.34 | amorphix | [14:43:52] <asg> !fr |
| 13:45.34 | amorphix | [14:43:53] <dpkg> Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 13:45.36 | amorphix | oops sorry |
| 13:45.50 | amorphix | wrong mouse click :-/ |
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| 13:47.42 | amorphix | hey i think my tosh 440 has acpi |
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| 13:48.21 | liable | amorphix: look in /proc/acpi/batt0 or some such |
| 13:49.30 | amorphix | ok |
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| 13:50.04 | Eclipser | what's the right way to make backup of a directory with cp? I remember it needed some flags but I can't figure out which |
| 13:50.19 | bbrazil | -r |
| 13:50.27 | asg | Eclipser: cp -a |
| 13:50.28 | dvs | Eclipser: cp -aR |
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| 13:50.44 | asg | dvs: -a includes -R |
| 13:50.49 | Eclipser | yes, it does :) |
| 13:50.52 | dvs | asg: yeah, that was a typo |
| 13:50.56 | asg | dvs: ;) |
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| 13:51.30 | joenp | I can't believe that something as simple as setting up your keyboard can be such a PITA... All I want is to use the correct layout, no matter which WM I use. Surely, this must be definable system wide? |
| 13:51.45 | asg | joenp: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 13:51.51 | FieldySnuts | !irritate joenp |
| 13:51.53 | dpkg | joenp: HELP ME!!! who uses sound hello? |
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| 13:53.33 | liable | !hump FieldySnuts |
| 13:53.39 | joenp | asg: Thanks for that. |
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| 13:53.53 | joenp | Still, PITA IMHO. |
| 13:54.15 | joenp | Punishment for getting used to OS X ease I suppose. |
| 13:54.24 | FieldySnuts | @whine about joenp |
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| 13:54.50 | joenp | FieldySnuts: Get a different hobby :P |
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| 14:02.24 | joenp | *sigh* |
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| 14:02.39 | joenp | All this trouble just to write a friggin @ sign. |
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| 14:03.14 | asg | joenp: never been a problem here. What kind of whack keyboard do you have? |
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| 14:03.42 | joenp | asg: Lame Dell keyboard through lamer USB KVM switch |
| 14:04.30 | joenp | Note to self: Spend time speeding up Dvorak typing, then make the switch. Remap Linux and Windows keyboard to match layout on OS X (which is much nicer). |
| 14:04.44 | asg | joenp: then do it |
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| 14:05.14 | joenp | asg: Who has the time? :) |
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| 14:05.31 | asg | joenp: people who like to hack their setups. |
| 14:05.33 | FieldySnuts | asg: he just has time to bitch and whine. |
| 14:05.40 | Phated | You're on IRC. That means you have an excess of time. |
| 14:05.46 | FieldySnuts | Phated: haha :) hi |
| 14:05.52 | asg | FieldySnuts: sunday as usual. |
| 14:05.54 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hello, dahling. |
| 14:05.59 | FieldySnuts | Mm |
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| 14:06.22 | lilliput | hello all ; |
| 14:06.22 | Phated | Hm? |
| 14:06.45 | joenp | Phated: Not exactly. I came here out of frustration of not finding any good guidance on the net. |
| 14:07.05 | Phated | Sure. |
| 14:07.09 | ResPiDeR | hey, I just compiled a new kernel and when I'll try to conect (pon dsl-provider) nothing happens, and when I see plog I see "Address family not supported by protocol"... whats this? |
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| 14:07.44 | joenp | FieldySnuts: I'm in the Linux-pisses-me-off-mood, so yes, I take the time to bitch and whine. My hope is though, that within my lifetime, Linux will become easier for those who do not wish to spend their time tampering with it. |
| 14:07.53 | FieldySnuts | that's nice. i read about 3 words. |
| 14:08.10 | joenp | asg: Problem "solved". American layout always works. Too bad it's not my native language. |
| 14:08.13 | liable | ResPiDeR: why did you compile? |
| 14:08.19 | tarzeau | streuner: ok how to fix /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
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| 14:08.43 | streuner | tarzeau: /msg dpkg available |
| 14:09.08 | liable | tarzeau: you of course have updated |
| 14:09.21 | liable | ? |
| 14:09.28 | tarzeau | liable: that doesn't fix it |
| 14:09.31 | tarzeau | streuner: thanks |
| 14:09.46 | takisd | trying to run apt on a local repository i created. i get this when running apt-get update - Ign file: debs/ Release then the install won't work... any ideas?? |
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| 14:10.16 | asg | takisd: man dpkg-scanpackages |
| 14:10.29 | tarzeau | takatumi: hey! |
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| 14:10.34 | joenp | asg and others: Thanks for trying. Have a nice weekend. |
| 14:10.35 | takisd | asg: ok |
| 14:11.00 | chfn | Hi Guys. I'm trying to install eclipse-platform_2.1.3 with j2sdk1.4. Is it possible ? |
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| 14:11.12 | asg | chfn: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 14:11.25 | ResPiDeR | hey, I just compiled a new kernel and when I'll try to connect (pon dsl-provider) nothing happens, and when I see plog I see "Address family not supported by protocol"... whats this? (I did enable PPP in krnel config) |
| 14:11.38 | chfn | asg what? j2sdk1.4 is already installed. |
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| 14:12.06 | revenger | has anyone ever used syslinux? |
| 14:12.20 | asg | chfn: then you should be fine. As a side note, whenever I have to deal with java, I just grab tarballs from sun and install the lot in /usr/local. |
| 14:12.43 | FieldySnuts | ~smite Java |
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| 14:12.54 | FieldySnuts | :x |
| 14:13.15 | chfn | asg i'm using sarge with j2sdk1.4 and i'm trying to install eclipse-platform but i'm getting error. I'm using an official mirror in German. |
| 14:13.28 | asg | chfn: what error are you getting? |
| 14:13.43 | chfn | asg, After this: Setting up eclipse-platform (2.1.3-4) ... |
| 14:13.44 | chfn | Updating initial eclipse configuration...# |
| 14:13.50 | liable | ResPiDeR: it works wih a satndard kernel? |
| 14:14.11 | chfn | asg, # HotSpot Virtual Machine Error, Internal Error ; # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (Blackdown-1.4.1-01 mixed mode) |
| 14:14.19 | liable | standard even |
| 14:14.29 | ResPiDeR | liable: yes, but I want a kernel compiled here |
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| 14:14.56 | liable | ResPiDeR: well, obviously, you fucked the config |
| 14:15.16 | asg | chfn: oh, the blackdown port. I'd use java-package to create a deb of the sun vm. |
| 14:15.19 | ResPiDeR | liable: I already used the same config in another debian and it worked |
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| 14:15.39 | chfn | asg, do you have apt ? |
| 14:15.42 | ResPiDeR | I just copied the .config to this just-installed debian (same kernel version and BOX) and recompiled |
| 14:15.46 | chfn | :) |
| 14:15.54 | asg | !java-package |
| 14:15.55 | dpkg | well, java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. |
| 14:16.03 | FieldySnuts | #include <err/id10t.h> |
| 14:16.06 | chfn | asg the 'secret' is to use from java vm so. I will look for in apt-get.org |
| 14:16.09 | MASoft | revenger: what was syslinux ? |
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| 14:16.17 | liable | ResPiDeR: well something is different obviously |
| 14:16.21 | asg | chfn: just read the info above about java-package. |
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| 14:16.26 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 14:16.37 | ResPiDeR | liable: not in the .config.. i just copied and pasted.. |
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| 14:17.16 | asg | chfn: personally, I never use debian packages for Java related stuff. I just stick the lot in /usr/local, whether it be tomcat, sun's jvm, or eclipse. |
| 14:17.17 | foobah | why would the nick devserv be an "erroneous nickname"? |
| 14:17.38 | asg | foobah: it might be a keyword or reserved. |
| 14:17.50 | FieldySnuts | probably *serv* , kiddies often like to impersonate services |
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| 14:17.56 | foobah | so I pick a different albeit lame nick... oh well... ok thanks |
| 14:18.11 | FieldySnuts | called a q: line if I do remember right |
| 14:18.12 | foobah | ahh, good point |
| 14:18.15 | chfn | asg fine. but a simples question. I was using j2sdk1.4 with blackdown and it runned fast. is it be faster then java vm? i dont know. dunno question!!? |
| 14:18.31 | liable | ResPiDeR: why custom kernel? |
| 14:18.32 | asg | chfn: not a clue, #java would likely know though |
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| 14:18.35 | foobah | for the fact they Q:uibble with the nick? |
| 14:18.42 | bbrazil | foobah: probably a block on *serv |
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| 14:18.58 | asg | bbrazil: yeah, fooserv and softserv don't work either ;) |
| 14:18.59 | FieldySnuts | no, the ircd has a config file. a line starting with q: *serv*!*@* probably disallows any nick matching that mask |
| 14:19.00 | ResPiDeR | liable: seems faster |
| 14:19.00 | revenger | MASoft: booting over the network |
| 14:19.05 | revenger | booting from network even.. |
| 14:19.14 | FieldySnuts | just guessing |
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| 14:19.17 | foobah | mmmm softserv |
| 14:19.21 | foobah | chocolate |
| 14:19.28 | FieldySnuts | **** |
| 14:19.37 | revenger | just don't get the configuration the kernel still complains about cannot mount rootfs and so.. looks like that idiotic configuration doesn't work at all.. |
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| 14:19.40 | liable | ResPiDeR: fine, thats great. Dont come here when you fuck the options up though |
| 14:19.49 | chfn | bbrazil, interesting last name . Brazil. |
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| 14:20.01 | chfn | asg thanks. |
| 14:20.05 | asg | chfn: you're welcome |
| 14:20.06 | FieldySnuts | @lart interbusiness.it |
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| 14:20.43 | liable | ResPiDeR: try try again |
| 14:20.46 | ResPiDeR | liable: its simple.. 2 debian ditros in the same box, in one of them the internet works, in the other with the exactly same kernel doesnt.. thats the problem.. whats the problem in wanting a custom kernel? |
| 14:20.46 | bbrazil | oh god, another brazilian |
| 14:21.02 | chfn | asg i will use j2re1.4 from blackdown and j2sdk1.4 from vm. lol |
| 14:21.07 | liable | ResPiDeR: different hardware? |
| 14:21.10 | ResPiDeR | same box |
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| 14:21.32 | liable | ResPiDeR: well, *something* is different |
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| 14:21.42 | ResPiDeR | yes.. I just want to know what |
| 14:21.52 | FieldySnuts | we couldn't possibly know.. it's your config |
| 14:22.09 | FieldySnuts | @bite Phated |
| 14:22.12 | liable | ResPiDeR: diff the .configs |
| 14:22.14 | FieldySnuts | ouch not that rough |
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| 14:23.03 | paulswm | nibble is better than bite I think |
| 14:23.20 | chfn | asg, i dont know why but java from sun seens to be fine. :) |
| 14:23.32 | FieldySnuts | er. |
| 14:23.43 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 14:23.45 | liable | nibbling a jugular just draws the whole process out :) |
| 14:23.51 | asg | chfn: *nod* |
| 14:24.10 | chfn | asg I like a lot of debian but I hate to add sources.list. I would like to learn how to build packages but seens to be boring. I mean too complicated and I :( dont have time for that. |
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| 14:24.37 | chfn | asg time, time and time. :| i would like to learn how to build a package with the simple way. |
| 14:24.47 | asg | chfn: well, the java-package program does all the work for you. |
| 14:24.59 | asg | chfn: if you are curious about package building, /msg dpkg nm |
| 14:25.11 | asg | or /msg dpkg mg rather |
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| 14:25.53 | paulswm | liable: very funny, thanks :) |
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| 14:26.12 | paulswm | I use Sun's java too |
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| 14:26.50 | chfn | asg nice. I think I will work with that one day. (after the second year of the college. |
| 14:26.56 | chfn | s/the// |
| 14:27.50 | FieldySnuts | postmaaaan!! |
| 14:28.01 | asg | chfn: also, dh-make can be used to convert simple source tarballs into debian compliant src packages. |
| 14:28.10 | FieldySnuts | suifur: please do not ctcp version me. |
| 14:28.25 | suifur | FieldySnuts: bah, sorry, wrong user, gayass tabcomplete |
| 14:28.30 | FieldySnuts | mkay |
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| 14:29.02 | lin_ast | what is subnetting |
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| 14:29.05 | chfn | asg tell me a package that is can be done with dh-make that is known.? |
| 14:29.23 | FieldySnuts | lin_ast: a topic too deep to cover on irc... you should google for ip subnetting and learn about it. be ready to learn binary.. |
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| 14:29.32 | Phated | Mmmm, binary. |
| 14:29.47 | asg | chfn: I don't know of one offhand. |
| 14:29.59 | lin_ast | can u pls just give me basic idea |
| 14:30.00 | FieldySnuts | tough to learn but very useful in networking, understanding that |
| 14:30.15 | chfn | asg ok. dh-make is interesting. |
| 14:30.16 | FieldySnuts | not in less than 2 hours.. I don't feel like it. maybe somebody else wants to, sorry |
| 14:30.21 | asg | lin_ast: go read the Linux Network Administrators Guide at www.oreilly.com/openbook |
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| 14:30.24 | liable | lin_ast: INWHAT? |
| 14:30.26 | dabreegster | Hey. I'm grabbing a large zip file over dialup and I would like to see what I've got so far. (about 2MB of 80.) 'unzip foo.zip' says the standard end of directory sig error. |
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| 14:30.50 | FieldySnuts | dabreegster: you can't. a zip file stores critical information at the very end of the file: you must have the full file. |
| 14:30.51 | liable | bah caps loack |
| 14:30.52 | dabreegster | How can I see what I have so far every few megs? I know I can extract what I have so far with rar and gzip |
| 14:31.07 | Phated | dabreegster: Thanks for the tip, I'll not expect too much of it. |
| 14:31.19 | dabreegster | FieldySnuts: curse. Another 8 hours then. |
| 14:31.20 | Phated | it == H2G2. |
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| 14:31.25 | dabreegster | Phated: Hey. yeah, it was okay. |
| 14:31.26 | liable | dabreegster: why oh why |
| 14:31.28 | bbrazil | dabreegster: watch ls -l $filename |
| 14:31.41 | chfn | asg i will not do because of it but if you are a maintainer of Debian and if its in your resume you become important. I know that is pretty difficult to became one of them . right ? |
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| 14:32.05 | asg | chfn: yes, the new maintainer process is difficult but not impossible for those who are persistent. |
| 14:32.05 | FieldySnuts | @lart chfn |
| 14:32.07 | dabreegster | bbrazil: it'll be a good 8 hours |
| 14:32.17 | dabreegster | liable: because I really seriously need what's in there |
| 14:32.22 | chfn | FieldySnuts, :* |
| 14:32.24 | chfn | :D |
| 14:32.37 | chfn | asg fine. :) |
| 14:33.06 | liable | dabreegster: but what will you get in the first 3-4 -10 -20 megs that you cant just download |
| 14:33.22 | FieldySnuts | I already told him why that won't work. |
| 14:33.24 | chfn | FieldySnuts, I did a comment. ;\ here in Brasil everything thats outside our country its *important*. ;\ |
| 14:33.47 | chfn | FieldySnuts, I do not need a job. I have my own... |
| 14:33.55 | dabreegster | liable: I can only find it packed up as one big file |
| 14:34.14 | liable | dabreegster: patience grasshoper |
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| 14:34.36 | dabreegster | liable: Eventually my sister is going to force me to get off. :P |
| 14:34.44 | asg | O_o |
| 14:34.49 | liable | dabreegster: bash her |
| 14:34.58 | Phated | dabreegster: Leave it in the background? |
| 14:35.04 | dabreegster | liable: she's stronger. |
| 14:35.09 | dabreegster | crap, why'd I say that |
| 14:35.22 | liable | dabreegster: hehe, your stuffed then |
| 14:35.22 | dabreegster | Phated: eventually my parents will need the phone... :P |
| 14:35.25 | chfn | asg I will become one of then. :) i'm persistent(a lot). |
| 14:35.37 | Phated | dabreegster: Bash them. |
| 14:35.43 | asg | chfn: cool |
| 14:36.06 | liable | dabreegster: tell me shes older than you |
| 14:36.15 | dabreegster | liable: she is. 3 years older. |
| 14:36.16 | chfn | asg are you? |
| 14:36.22 | asg | dabreegster: much more lethal if you soak it in hot water and stick it in the freezer. |
| 14:36.30 | dabreegster | liable: Hey, I'm crap at sports except running and swimming. ^_^ |
| 14:36.38 | dabreegster | asg: thanks for the tip |
| 14:36.39 | asg | chfn: no, I'm not a developer |
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| 14:36.50 | liable | dabreegster: well, hit her then run away |
| 14:36.52 | Phated | dabreegster: Bash her, then run away. |
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| 14:37.10 | asg | Phated: don't forget to insult her from a safe distance. |
| 14:37.12 | MAC5 | HOLA |
| 14:37.15 | asg | !es |
| 14:37.16 | dabreegster | Wow, the same advice, almost simultaneously. One wondors. |
| 14:37.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:37.20 | Phated | asg: Well, yes. |
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| 14:37.33 | asg | Phated: maybe introduce dabreegster to Brockian Ultra Cricket |
| 14:37.35 | dabreegster | Yay, it's up to a solid 3.8bkps! |
| 14:37.36 | Phated | dabreegster: Capitalisation and punctuation alone should tell you: no, we're not the same person. |
| 14:37.39 | Phated | asg: Maybe. |
| 14:37.50 | dabreegster | /bk/kb/ |
| 14:37.51 | liable | dabreegster: never underestimate the wisdom of irc |
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| 14:38.05 | dabreegster | liable: it is infinite. |
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| 14:38.24 | asg | liable: corollary #1: never overestimate the wisdom of irc |
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| 14:38.35 | liable | asg: hehe |
| 14:39.13 | bbrazil | asg: corollary #2: never estimate the wisdom of irc |
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| 14:39.43 | asg | bbrazil: conclusion: ignore the whole lot. |
| 14:39.43 | liable | asg: corollary? |
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| 14:39.53 | citral | yihaaa |
| 14:40.01 | bbrazil | asg: which brings us round to the fact that irc is pointless |
| 14:40.07 | asg | liable: something that follows from a proposition logically. |
| 14:40.17 | asg | bbrazil: yes, but a hell of a lot of fun and sometimes informative. |
| 14:40.32 | bbrazil | asg: indeed, however it is sunday |
| 14:40.49 | liable | Phated: you saying I cant punctualise? |
| 14:40.53 | asg | bbrazil: but surprisingly better than yesterday. |
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| 14:41.07 | Phated | liable: No, but you can't verb properly either. "Punctuate". |
| 14:41.13 | liable | Phated: if thats even actually a word |
| 14:41.32 | liable | damm to slow |
| 14:42.06 | liable | stop it, it tickles |
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| 14:42.57 | VoX | how do i find a listing of official apt repositories? |
| 14:43.05 | asg | VoX: apt-setup |
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| 14:43.10 | VoX | ta |
| 14:43.30 | liable | paulswm: punctualise not good enough? |
| 14:43.31 | citral | why do all the cd-r have a minimum write speed of 8x ? that sucks, and there's apparently no way to force 4 or 6x |
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| 14:44.05 | dabreegster | citral: wanna bet? I've accidentally tried to burn a cd at 1x. |
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| 14:44.23 | paulswm | liable: No, the dumb thing to beat currrently is dropping a memory board down the toilet |
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| 14:44.36 | si|vercat | are most busb bluetooth adapters supported? |
| 14:44.39 | asg | paulswm: did you qotd that one? |
| 14:44.41 | liable | paulswm: hehe, was here for that |
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| 14:44.45 | citral | dabreegster: the cdrecord -speed option is totally ignored, tried with different models of cdr |
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| 14:45.11 | dabreegster | citral: Dunno, did it with arson |
| 14:45.13 | paulswm | asg: No, but resiak has it logged |
| 14:45.23 | chfn | I would like to know how Suse has the WMV9 decoder for mplayer and our official debian mirrors has not. Why Suse can do it ? |
| 14:45.33 | asg | chfn: because they don't care about freedom |
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| 14:45.57 | citral | chfn: because they don't have the fixation on "free software" that debian has |
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| 14:46.15 | chfn | citral, asg I understud. :) |
| 14:46.26 | Eclipser | uh shit |
| 14:46.33 | Eclipser | my other harddrive is broken |
| 14:46.52 | Anders1 | what's the format of /proc/uptime |
| 14:46.52 | Anders1 | $ cat /proc/uptime |
| 14:46.52 | Anders1 | 108095.28 96100.88 |
| 14:46.56 | Anders1 | i dunno what it means, anyone who bothers explaining? :P |
| 14:47.19 | Eclipser | why use it like that, just type "uptime"? |
| 14:47.49 | bbrazil | Anders1: man proc |
| 14:47.52 | Anders1 | ok |
| 14:47.58 | Eclipser | anyway |
| 14:48.19 | chfn | asg I purged blackdown java and installed j2sdk1.4 and j2re1.4 from SUN but eclipse-platform is still getting error. I have the same error from "Blackdown-1.4.2-01" package. |
| 14:48.29 | Eclipser | is there a way to check which partitions each hard drive has with one command? |
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| 14:48.41 | timo | Eclipser, fdisk -l |
| 14:48.49 | Eclipser | ah thanks :) |
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| 14:49.39 | Cyanophytes | tarzeau: I have an ansi dos game that is 32bit. |
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| 14:49.53 | liable | dabreegster: so whats so important, pr0n? |
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| 14:50.22 | Cyanophytes | tarzeau: And I would like to use it in dosemu |
| 14:50.27 | dabreegster | liable: nah. hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy OST. I need one song, I've gotta spend 8 hours getting it. |
| 14:50.55 | liable | dabreegster: how did the date go? |
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| 14:51.23 | dabreegster | liable: It didn't. She never called back. Only 1/5 people I invited actually went |
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| 14:51.37 | liable | dabreegster: bah, loosers |
| 14:51.48 | dabreegster | liable: It was supposed to be a group sort of thing, but nobody could go. :( |
| 14:52.18 | asg | chfn: is eclipse-platform a debian package or just the downloaded package from eclipse.org? |
| 14:52.30 | chfn | asg debian package. |
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| 14:52.49 | asg | chfn: did you use java-package to create a deb from the sun sdk/jre or did you just install it in /usr/local? |
| 14:52.53 | chfn | asg i'm purging all of dpkg -l | grep ava possible. :D I think I found the problem. |
| 14:53.23 | chfn | asg I added a port of sun java |
| 14:53.30 | chfn | asg sources.list and its from Sun. |
| 14:54.02 | chfn | asg, How can I see full name of the package in dpkg -l? |
| 14:54.21 | asg | chfn: well, if it's a deb from sun, check that it has Provides: keywords (apt-cache show <pkg>) that match the Depends: in eclipse-platform |
| 14:54.26 | asg | chfn: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
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| 14:55.51 | chfn | asg, j2sdk1.4 only Provides: java-compiler, java2-compiler |
| 14:55.57 | liable | is it loosers or lusers, me thinks its lusers |
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| 14:56.14 | asg | chfn: well, it should also provide java-runtime or java2-runtime also iirc. |
| 14:56.14 | chfn | asg crap. its Description: Blackdown Java(TM) 2 SDK, Standard Edition |
| 14:56.20 | asg | liable: the latter |
| 14:56.35 | asg | liable: or losers |
| 14:56.36 | liable | hmm, thanks |
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| 14:56.51 | asg | liable: loosers are likely promiscuous folk |
| 14:56.56 | liable | asg: thats it losers |
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| 14:57.30 | chfn | asg i will do with java-package. |
| 14:57.32 | liable | asg: hehe |
| 14:57.35 | _gentgeen_ | Can I use fetchmail to recieve email from 1 ISP account, and send it to two local users? |
| 14:57.41 | asg | chfn: that should fix things |
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| 14:57.46 | asg | _gentgeen_: yes |
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| 14:58.11 | asg | _gentgeen_: procmail is useful for such things |
| 14:58.18 | chfn | asg did you send me /msg dpkg install java-package? |
| 14:58.22 | chfn | asg I dont remember |
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| 14:58.27 | asg | !tell chfn about java-package |
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| 14:58.44 | liable | chfn: yes he did |
| 14:58.50 | simonrvn | chfn: where's your sister, chsh? |
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| 14:58.57 | chfn | simonrvn, lol. :D |
| 14:59.21 | _gentgeen_ | asg, do you know of a fetchmailrc example (Googleing has not been very productive for me today)?? |
| 14:59.38 | simonrvn | _gentgeen_: fetchmailconf works |
| 14:59.46 | BullWeivez | whats the command to ask apt what you need to do for upgrading from stable to testing? |
| 14:59.56 | asg | _gentgeen_: well, have fetchmail deliver mail to your local user and have your mta configured to use procmail as the mda. |
| 14:59.58 | simonrvn | woody->sarge |
| 15:00.19 | BullWeivez | ty |
| 15:00.20 | chfn | simonrvn, good memory. |
| 15:00.25 | chfn | liable, :) |
| 15:00.36 | simonrvn | chfn: about? |
| 15:00.44 | BullWeivez | you can also do stable->testing :) |
| 15:00.53 | _gentgeen_ | simonrvn, asg, Thanks, I will do some more digging ;-) |
| 15:01.11 | simonrvn | _gentgeen_: have fun. ui is fugly, but it works well |
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| 15:02.01 | v120t | which better editor for php ? |
| 15:02.19 | citral | v120t: yes |
| 15:02.20 | asg | v120t: vi |
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| 15:02.29 | juanmals | vi |
| 15:02.33 | BullWeivez | vim :) |
| 15:02.54 | simonrvn | later folks |
| 15:03.03 | asg | simonrvn: later |
| 15:03.07 | juanmals | does anybody know how to disable gpg checking in apt-get? |
| 15:03.10 | BullWeivez | cya |
| 15:03.17 | _gentgeen_ | ^-^ The few times I have used it, it drives me nuts, but guess I need to use it again so I can find the format. Then I will just stick with vi ^-^ |
| 15:03.20 | chfn | asg nice is java-package. :) |
| 15:03.34 | chfn | s/nice is java-package/java-package is nice/ :) |
| 15:03.36 | asg | chfn: I've never used it but I've heard good things from those that have. |
| 15:03.47 | BullWeivez | dreamweaver works good too in a windows world |
| 15:03.58 | citral | bah |
| 15:04.03 | liable | /vi/vim/kedit/gedit/nano/pico/omo |
| 15:04.04 | juanmals | windows? what is that? |
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| 15:04.17 | citral | nedit |
| 15:04.18 | yalc1n | a |
| 15:04.20 | BullWeivez | lol ... i figured i should not have said that...oh well |
| 15:04.27 | juanmals | xD |
| 15:04.43 | juanmals | you can also run dreamweaver in linux |
| 15:04.50 | juanmals | with crossoveroffice |
| 15:05.14 | citral | that would make baby gnu cry |
| 15:05.21 | BullWeivez | cool. figured you could some how. i strickly use linux for console stuff |
| 15:05.52 | liable | juanmals: you can also set your balls on fire inlinux |
| 15:06.13 | hamano | l |
| 15:06.14 | stew | liable: whats the package for that? |
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| 15:06.41 | liable | stew: /balls.fire.hurst.a.lot |
| 15:06.47 | asg | stew: firestarter |
| 15:06.53 | stew | heh |
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| 15:07.29 | liable | fuck I have a spelling impedement tonight |
| 15:07.50 | asg | liable: spend more time playing with your dict(1) |
| 15:07.50 | stew | impediment? |
| 15:07.52 | liable | !dict impedement |
| 15:07.52 | lmedinas | anyone know if there are experimental pkgs for amd64 of gnome 2.10 ? |
| 15:07.54 | dpkg | could not find definition for impedement |
| 15:07.58 | stew | !spell impedement |
| 15:08.00 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 15:08.06 | asg | lmedinas: #debian-amd64 might |
| 15:09.01 | smhar | hi friends |
| 15:09.03 | liable | stew: so, how's it spelt |
| 15:09.04 | lmedinas | asg: sure thanks :) |
| 15:09.09 | stew | @spell impedement |
| 15:09.12 | ravenbird | possible spellings for impedement: impediment impedimenta impediments implement impalement impediment's impudent |
| 15:09.21 | Cyanophytes | Can anyone suggest how to run a DOS ANSI game that is supposed to be ran under win32 in dosemu |
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| 15:09.31 | liable | I like impalement |
| 15:09.39 | asg | !stab liable |
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| 15:09.56 | stew | spelling impalement |
| 15:10.49 | cinix | My /boot partition is reporting that it's full if I try and copy data into it, and df also reports 100% usage. Look through the files in the directory though there's no more then 10mb? Where is the other data hiding? |
| 15:10.59 | cinix | I ran fsck on the partitoin, it found no problems |
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| 15:11.11 | liable | @dict impedement |
| 15:11.12 | asg | cinix: by default, ext2/3 partitions reserve 5% for root's use |
| 15:11.14 | ravenbird | could not find definition for impedement |
| 15:11.22 | cinix | it's a reiserfs format |
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| 15:11.29 | asg | liable: impedIment |
| 15:11.34 | revenger | any idea why login doesn't prompt for the password for valid users? (just playing around with a netboot linux) |
| 15:11.39 | liable | given up |
| 15:11.39 | asg | cinix: it may also do the same, but I don't know for sure. |
| 15:11.43 | cinix | partition is 50mb, I'm only seeing 7mb of data |
| 15:12.08 | BullWeivez | man the hylafax package on stable suckzors! going by the hylafax how-to that package has a lot of issues...and according to what im reading has had them since 2003! |
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| 15:12.23 | cinix | du -sh /boot |
| 15:12.23 | cinix | 7.0M /boot |
| 15:12.33 | liable | BullWeivez: ??? |
| 15:13.01 | asg | cinix: does 'du -sh --apparent-size /boot' list a different value? |
| 15:13.02 | smhar | is there a deb pakage for borland's Kylix? |
| 15:13.07 | stew | cinix: did you just delete stuff? did you maybe delete an open file that is still on disk becuase it's still open? |
| 15:13.22 | cinix | heh it shows 6.9mb with apparent size |
| 15:13.39 | asg | cinix: also, what does 'df -i /boot' indicate |
| 15:13.40 | cinix | I may deleted something unknowning. trying to install a newly compiled debian kernel |
| 15:13.44 | BullWeivez | liable: when you install the hylafax package it installs and everything. But your suppose to go and run faxsetup and faxmodem. When you do that about 15 things pop up saying that they are missing because the filenames aren't were they are suppose to be. Also it misses at least one package. hoping that testing is better otherwise im going to end up compiling hylafax by hand. |
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| 15:13.49 | cinix | not sure what the package manager does |
| 15:14.02 | cinix | dev/hda1 0 0 0 - /boot |
| 15:14.11 | cinix | Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on |
| 15:14.31 | asg | cinix: erm, is /boot mounted? |
| 15:14.35 | liable | BullWeivez: sorry dunno what i even is |
| 15:14.46 | cinix | yesir |
| 15:14.50 | liable | s/i/it |
| 15:15.26 | cinix | I wonder if it's an open file maybe I should just reboot to have it fix itself |
| 15:15.30 | BullWeivez | hylafax is a faxing package... instead of using a fax machine you can use it to send/receive faxes. It looks like a killer application for what im trying to do. It will likely replace an idea to purchase some $8K windows software that does the same thing. |
| 15:15.42 | E-bola | Do anybody know how i can get debian to shutdown when i press my servers powerbutton? (i dont mean hardware shutdown after having pressed and hold the pwrbutton for 5 secs) |
| 15:15.42 | asg | cinix: then it looks like the filesystem has become corrupted (standard for reiser apparently) |
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| 15:16.02 | liable | BullWeivez: what about kfax or gnomefax or whatever |
| 15:16.03 | asg | E-bola: are you using acpi or apm? |
| 15:16.15 | E-bola | asac: acpi |
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| 15:16.19 | cinix | :) |
| 15:16.34 | peterf | hello |
| 15:16.35 | asg | E-bola: then look at /etc/acpi/actions/powerbtn.sh (for an example) |
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| 15:16.55 | anto9us | I find it's typical you can save thousands with one linux install BullWeivez |
| 15:16.55 | asg | E-bola: install acpid if you don't have that file. |
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| 15:17.01 | E-bola | asac: thanks i will look into that then |
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| 15:17.31 | asg | E-bola: the trigger action is in /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn (for reference) |
| 15:17.32 | E-bola | asac: i have some servers using apm, whats the proceduire there? |
| 15:17.34 | tarzeau | Cyanophytes: no source? which game/url? |
| 15:17.49 | asg | E-bola: not sure as far as apm goes. |
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| 15:18.14 | asg | E-bola: look at apmd's documentation and see if it gives hints (it might not be possible with apm though.) |
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| 15:18.17 | JeffWilson12 | after updating all packages, has anyone here experienced an extremely unstable kernel? |
| 15:18.28 | liable | E-bola: if its apm, then poke in bios |
| 15:18.30 | asg | JeffWilson12: did the kernel get upgraded also? |
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| 15:18.36 | JeffWilson12 | asg: nope. |
| 15:18.42 | asg | JeffWilson12: what kernel version? |
| 15:18.59 | JeffWilson12 | asg: 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 15:19.05 | liable | JeffWilson12: more info |
| 15:19.17 | cinix | lsof doesn't show any large files. guess i'll reboot and hope for the best |
| 15:19.19 | JeffWilson12 | I don't know what packages were upgraded, unfortunately. |
| 15:19.20 | liable | JeffWilson12: why kernel |
| 15:19.30 | asg | JeffWilson12: I know sarge just got a new libc6 but I've not noticed any issues. You might check the kernel package at bugs.debian.org |
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| 15:19.43 | thomask | Has anyone a backport of GCC-3.3's libgcc_s.so.1 to stable? |
| 15:19.50 | JeffWilson12 | Someone else said it could be caused by a bad libc.. |
| 15:20.03 | BullWeivez | liable: those two faxing packages might do well, but this is for a workgroup of folks all running windows boxes. so i chose hylafax because it can be run through a web browser, or via emailings. |
| 15:20.06 | asg | thomask: check backports.org or apt-get.org (not likely though) |
| 15:20.22 | JeffWilson12 | asg: I'll look into that. See, after I ran apt-get dist-upgrade, I left, came back an hour later and a kernel panic had occoured. anotehr happened about an hour ago. |
| 15:20.32 | anto9us | there's a windows printer driver for it too BullWeivez |
| 15:21.00 | liable | BullWeivez: sorry dude, dunno, didnt know for a whole workgroup |
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| 15:21.24 | liable | JeffWilson12: sid or sarge? |
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| 15:21.41 | JeffWilson12 | liable: Sarge. |
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| 15:22.37 | liable | JeffWilson12: whats an unstable kernel mean? |
| 15:22.41 | eob84 | I don't know why... but I can't get the 2.6.11 kernel to compile on the /debian-install version |
| 15:22.57 | eob84 | I think it is sarge rc3 |
| 15:22.58 | JeffWilson12 | liable: I mean it keeps crashing at unexpected tiems. |
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| 15:23.22 | JeffWilson12 | liable: I always seem to come back to either buffer I/O errors, INIT panics, or a kernel panic. |
| 15:23.22 | liable | JeffWilson12: the box just shits its self? |
| 15:23.31 | JeffWilson12 | yep. |
| 15:24.06 | thomask | asg: thx |
| 15:24.15 | JeffWilson12 | The only recent change was the dist-upgrade. |
| 15:24.34 | Cyanophytes | tarzeau: I don't have a url. It's a 32bit DOS door game for my bbs |
| 15:24.35 | liable | JeffWilson12: ooh, nasty, could well be libc6, try update upgrade |
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| 15:24.39 | eob84 | I have the most recent version of the compiler |
| 15:24.43 | eob84 | gcc and make |
| 15:24.48 | JeffWilson12 | liable: okay |
| 15:24.53 | eob84 | but for some reason 2.6.11 will not compile |
| 15:24.58 | liable | JeffWilson12: and bts |
| 15:25.10 | JeffWilson12 | what? |
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| 15:25.13 | liable | !bts |
| 15:25.13 | JeffWilson12 | liable: bts? |
| 15:25.13 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 15:25.26 | JeffWilson12 | damned splits |
| 15:25.45 | JeffWilson12 | liable: thanks. |
| 15:26.20 | liable | JeffWilson12: dunno, I upgraded last night, no probs |
| 15:27.37 | liable | JeffWilson12: cant hurt to upgrade again but, if theres new packages, surprised if a dodgy libc6 made it to sarge |
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| 15:29.14 | asg | xsdg: Happy Birthday btw |
| 15:29.21 | liable | eob84: what do you mean by wont compile |
| 15:29.26 | eob84 | it errors |
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| 15:29.35 | eob84 | it just says error1 |
| 15:29.37 | xsdg | asg: grazie |
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| 15:29.39 | eob84 | error 2 |
| 15:29.41 | liable | and the errors are |
| 15:29.49 | eob84 | it doesn't say |
| 15:30.07 | eob84 | drivers/built-in.o(.text+0xa94d): In function `splash_write_proc': |
| 15:30.07 | eob84 | : undefined reference to `con2fb_map' |
| 15:30.09 | JeffWilson12 | liable: apt-get upgrade says nothing needs to be upgraded |
| 15:30.13 | liable | eob84: you run sid |
| 15:30.21 | liable | JeffWilson12: bugger |
| 15:30.24 | eob84 | no I didn't |
| 15:30.30 | eob84 | what is it? |
| 15:30.40 | liable | JeffWilson12: dist-upgrade |
| 15:30.42 | JeffWilson12 | liable: so what should I do next? there are no ram problems according to memtest86 |
| 15:30.50 | asg | JeffWilson12: you could also try getting the old libc6 package from snapshot.debian.net (be careful though as downgrading libc6 can be hairy.) |
| 15:30.51 | JeffWilson12 | liable: tried that too. nothing new |
| 15:31.08 | liable | JeffWilson12: dunno sorry |
| 15:31.31 | liable | JeffWilson12: logs is the best bet |
| 15:31.38 | JeffWilson12 | asg: I'll try that. if it fucks up my system, can I fix it somehow? |
| 15:32.00 | asg | JeffWilson12: having a copy of busybox-static is helpful |
| 15:32.22 | asg | JeffWilson12: you should be okay though |
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| 15:32.30 | smhar | I am not a profisional programmer.. but I need a small program quickly and I am a little familiar with Borland's Delphi -and I like the language as well- , I know that they make a version for linux called kylix, and I also know that it is a dead end sinhce it is not updated for years now.. but it is something that I know.. untill I finish learning 'Introduction to C' book .. |
| 15:32.39 | JeffWilson12 | asg: Never heard of that ... I don't have too long, and I would really like to get this server stable asap... |
| 15:32.39 | asg | JeffWilson12: at least that will allow you to figure out if libc6 was the issue. |
| 15:32.58 | liable | libc6 is the ultimate "dont fuck with me package" :-) |
| 15:32.59 | asg | JeffWilson12: it's a binary that provides statically compiled versions of common unix commands. |
| 15:32.59 | smhar | my question is.. since kylix open is GPLed.. is there a deb package for it? |
| 15:32.59 | JeffWilson12 | alright. is snapshots.debian.net an apt source?...more info on this source anywhere? |
| 15:33.15 | JeffWilson12 | asg: ah. |
| 15:33.23 | asg | JeffWilson12: not an apt source, you just download the deb for the previous version and 'dpkg -i <pkg>' |
| 15:33.38 | asg | JeffWilson12: also check bugs.debian.org/libc6 to see if someone reported a similar problem |
| 15:33.39 | JeffWilson12 | asg: ah, okay |
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| 15:34.25 | juanmals | how can i disable gpg checking in apt¿ |
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| 15:34.29 | liable | JeffWilson12: look in your logs matbe, see if theres anything obvious |
| 15:34.55 | asg | JeffWilson12: another option is to install a 2.4.x kernel and see if that has issues. |
| 15:35.44 | danwolf | ok, I have a problem. I used to have sound, but I did a little messing around, backed up my drive and installed another Linux os, then put debian back from the backup, and now I can't get my sound to work. It says that I have no mixer when I try to mess with audio controls, and xmms says that I have my sound card mis configured |
| 15:35.53 | asg | JeffWilson12: oh and if you are using the i686 optimized libc6 package with NTPL, try removing it or upgrading your 2.6.x series kernel to the i686 flavour. |
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| 15:36.07 | asg | danwolf: /msg dpkg sound |
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| 15:36.27 | JeffWilson12 | asg: well, I didn't set any i686 optimization... |
| 15:36.35 | smhar | learning to develop on kdevelop will take me forever |
| 15:36.37 | JeffWilson12 | if I didn't set it, or don't know what that is, does that mean im not using it ? |
| 15:36.38 | JeffWilson12 | ;) |
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| 15:36.49 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 15:36.49 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 15:36.53 | asg | JeffWilson12: okay, I was just checking. |
| 15:36.53 | smhar | someone please help me with this |
| 15:37.03 | tarzeau | sussudio: no red? i think there's a problem with the stats |
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| 15:37.08 | asg | !info kylix |
| 15:37.17 | tarzeau | smhar: what do you need to develop? |
| 15:37.22 | liable | danwolf: alsa or oss |
| 15:37.23 | anto9us | danwolf: I've noticed there are some problems that only a hard reset will solve, devices have their own memories |
| 15:37.44 | mixmaster | hi :) |
| 15:37.49 | smhar | a small gui program, |
| 15:37.50 | mixmaster | i've debian 3.0 with apt-get that don't parallelizes the connections even if i've in apt.con Acquire::Queue-Mode "host"; |
| 15:37.54 | mixmaster | and 2 different hosts in sources.list |
| 15:37.57 | mixmaster | any idea? |
| 15:38.06 | danwolf | liable: how do I tell |
| 15:38.08 | tarzeau | smhar: why must it be done using kdevelop? |
| 15:38.16 | danwolf | anto9us: hard reset? as in reboot? |
| 15:38.18 | tarzeau | smhar: i can teach you GNUstep/Gorm if you want |
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| 15:38.19 | danwolf | I tried that |
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| 15:38.27 | liable | danwolf: dpkg -L alsa |
| 15:38.28 | JeffWilson12 | asg: is glibc the package that I want? |
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| 15:38.37 | anto9us | danwolf: complete loss of power |
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| 15:39.08 | asg | JeffWilson12: try the other things mentioned first before downgrading libc6. |
| 15:39.24 | liable | danwolf: or paste to #flood lspci |
| 15:39.29 | asg | JeffWilson12: i.e., 2.4.x kernel. |
| 15:39.44 | smhar | tarzeau, I am not planning to do it with kdevelop.. I want the program quickly.. and instead of booting to windows and do it with Delphi which I am familiar with it a little.. I was thinking of kylix, delphi for linux |
| 15:39.46 | liable | danwolf: correction 'lsmod' |
| 15:39.49 | JeffWilson12 | asg: I've got no problem with trying that....except I don't know how to install a kernel. im stupid. |
| 15:39.53 | JeffWilson12 | :) |
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| 15:40.03 | hcy | for some reason, about a month ago, the volume control at the top of my gnome panel stopped working. If I click on it and try to pull the volume bar up to increase the volume - it just snaps right back down to zero again. If I right-click and choose "open volume control" an error message pops up - "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found". Anybody know why this happened? It used to work. |
| 15:40.08 | tarzeau | smhar: okay, what does the small gui program need to do? |
| 15:40.09 | JeffWilson12 | No troubles learning though... |
| 15:40.29 | danwolf | ok, I got it working |
| 15:40.35 | asg | JeffWilson12: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install one from the list provided.) |
| 15:40.37 | danwolf | just had to add myself to the audio group |
| 15:40.38 | jair_11 | hello guys? |
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| 15:40.46 | jair_11 | how are you doing today> |
| 15:40.49 | jair_11 | ? |
| 15:40.51 | tarzeau | jair_11: there's also girls here |
| 15:40.55 | asg | and fish |
| 15:41.02 | danwolf | after I came back from the backup, I had to make newusers cause my home directories were screwed |
| 15:41.05 | danwolf | so thanks |
| 15:41.14 | sepski | jair_11, you seriously want the lifestory of the 790 people in here ??? |
| 15:41.16 | smhar | tarzeau, data input.. save to file, use for calculation, output to screen.. and save for future comparision |
| 15:41.30 | devserve | jair_11: and people who say ni instead of hi because it's not as tall |
| 15:41.36 | tarzeau | smhar: apt-get install gnustep-devel and start Gorm |
| 15:41.45 | jair_11 | when I say guys I say boys and girls ok. |
| 15:41.53 | jair_11 | ok hello everybody |
| 15:41.57 | jair_11 | I am sorry |
| 15:42.01 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 15:42.02 | liable | weeeeeee |
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| 15:42.09 | rikva | jair_11: you still forget the fish |
| 15:42.11 | smhar | tarzeau, it is a small building construction cost estimate program based on areas, lengths (quantities) and price units |
| 15:42.17 | jair_11 | fish? |
| 15:42.22 | tarzeau | smhar: that's fine |
| 15:42.23 | sepski | !tell jair_11 about guidelines |
| 15:42.33 | hcy | for some reason, about a month ago, the volume control at the top of my gnome panel stopped working. If I click on it and try to pull the volume bar up to increase the volume - it just snaps right back down to zero again. If I right-click and choose "open volume control" an error message pops up - "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found". Anybody know why this happened? It used to work. |
| 15:42.44 | devserve | jair_11: and you're expecting all 789 people here to say hi back?! /me prepares for bandwidth flood... |
| 15:42.45 | tarzeau | smhar: you probably first want to do the graphical interface to the user? |
| 15:42.46 | liable | sepski: fish are in guidlines? |
| 15:42.59 | sepski | liable, no it was just needed |
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| 15:43.12 | smhar | tarzeau, that is why I like delphi and kilyx |
| 15:43.14 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 15:43.14 | liable | fucking shit spelling aghh |
| 15:43.18 | JeffWilson12 | asg: okay; and doing this will do all the dirty work for me? and all I'll need to do is add it to grub list? or...just follow the instructions? |
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| 15:43.23 | tarzeau | smhar: you've ever seen InterfaceBuilder ? |
| 15:43.32 | devserve | liable: shit doesn't spell.... it smells |
| 15:43.43 | liable | my shit spelling |
| 15:43.44 | asg | JeffWilson12: if you use grub, the package will add the necessary information also. |
| 15:43.49 | bbrazil | hcy: sounds like your sound is broken. have you changed your kernel recently |
| 15:44.05 | hcy | bbrazil: no. and i get sound fine. just no mixer |
| 15:44.08 | smhar | tarzeau, no.. I've only seen kdevelop |
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| 15:44.10 | JeffWilson12 | asg: what kernel image do you recommend for an i386 system? |
| 15:44.12 | jair_11 | sorry I can't find what is the meaning of "fish" that sepski want me to see? |
| 15:44.16 | jair_11 | ok |
| 15:44.17 | tarzeau | smhar: http://www.webexpo.org/users/yjchen/gorm.png |
| 15:44.29 | JeffWilson12 | asg: I'm not sure which one to choose :) |
| 15:44.29 | jair_11 | ok |
| 15:44.35 | liable | JeffWilson12: what you have now |
| 15:44.38 | tarzeau | smhar: that's the controls you'll mostly want, you create new application (command-n) and move your stuff into that window |
| 15:44.39 | myr | I everybody ! |
| 15:44.46 | tarzeau | smhar: then command-t to try the interface |
| 15:44.51 | JeffWilson12 | liable: I don't see an 1-386 anywhere.. |
| 15:44.53 | tarzeau | smhar: then write the code, make, run |
| 15:44.54 | bbrazil | hcy: try a different mixer (setmixer,alsamixer) to see if its just a bug with gnome |
| 15:45.02 | JeffWilson12 | liable: I see 2-386 though... |
| 15:45.11 | asg | JeffWilson12: try kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 (if you are on sarge) |
| 15:45.27 | tarzeau | smhar: best about it, take your stuff compile it on os x, and you've got the same app ported to apple mac os x for free |
| 15:45.42 | liable | JeffWilson12: uname -r |
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| 15:45.43 | JeffWilson12 | asg: Okay |
| 15:45.53 | myr | I'd like to install cinerella from apt-get but I have problems with libvorbis0/0a |
| 15:45.56 | smhar | tarzeau, the code.. yah.. what language is it.. I only know basic and pascal.. which I learned bymyself.. and I am learining C now from a book |
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| 15:46.01 | JeffWilson12 | liable: ah, thanks. :) 2-386 |
| 15:46.08 | jair_11 | I am having a little situation with an IBM laptop, it is a brand new laptop, and it have a centrino processor on it, I tried different commands to halt it turn it off, and even when I disconnect the electric cable the computer keeps halted but with battery and fan running. |
| 15:46.08 | tarzeau | smhar: you can use C or Objective-C |
| 15:46.18 | hcy | bbrazil: alsamixer (in terminal) works |
| 15:46.29 | tarzeau | smhar: do you have a screenshot of the existing application/source on windows/delphi? |
| 15:46.35 | liable | JeffWilson12: no, what the uoutput from 'uname -r' |
| 15:46.37 | hcy | the gnome one's nice and convenient, though, having it on the desktop |
| 15:46.40 | bbrazil | hcy: then the problem must be that panel app. you checked the BTS? |
| 15:46.44 | smhar | tarzeau, I am not concerned with portability righty now.. |
| 15:46.50 | jair_11 | I heard about some packages like "acpi, or something like that" |
| 15:46.53 | asg | jair_11: check tuxmobile.org for information and user reports on your laptop model. |
| 15:46.53 | hcy | bbrazil: nope i didn't |
| 15:47.04 | jair_11 | asg, ok |
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| 15:47.12 | jair_11 | asg, thank oyu |
| 15:47.17 | jair_11 | I will go check |
| 15:47.19 | JeffWilson12 | liable: That was. 2.6.8-2-386. so 2-386 is what I should choose...I'm using the package asg recommended. |
| 15:47.25 | smhar | tarzeau, I still didn't do it.. I was saying: I don't want to go to windows to develop it.. |
| 15:47.28 | asg | jair_11: and acpi and acpid are what you need (but do check the website for more info.) |
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| 15:47.42 | jair_11 | asg, ok |
| 15:47.45 | anto9us | meanwhile, try holding the power button for about 5 or 6 seconds jair_11 |
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| 15:47.55 | hcy | bbrazil: how's it done? |
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| 15:48.03 | bbrazil | !bts |
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| 15:48.03 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:48.11 | tarzeau | smhar: ok good luck then, if you need help with gnustep/gorm, just ask |
| 15:48.20 | smhar | I want to develop it quickly for my need and when I learn C I will port it to it, or redo it |
| 15:48.20 | jair_11 | anto9us, of course that is what I was doing all this time. |
| 15:48.33 | jair_11 | anto9us, it is annoying |
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| 15:48.48 | smhar | tarzeau, thanks any way.. I am apt-get installing it right now |
| 15:49.16 | anto9us | jair_11: ok, thought I'd let you know in case you didn't :) |
| 15:49.54 | sylvain_ | hi |
| 15:49.56 | takatumi | tarzeau: howdy? |
| 15:50.15 | tarzeau | takatumi: fine thanks |
| 15:50.16 | sylvain_ | how can I simulate the boot sequence from an iso file ? I plan to make my own Debian CD |
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| 15:50.25 | E-bola | asg: thanks for ur help before |
| 15:50.26 | tarzeau | sylvain_: using qemu |
| 15:50.32 | tarzeau | sylvain_: www.linuks.mine.nu/qemu/ |
| 15:50.35 | E-bola | now i have it working with acpi |
| 15:50.36 | b00 | what is MTA (service) ? |
| 15:50.44 | tarzeau | !mta |
| 15:50.44 | dpkg | i heard mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 15:50.48 | b00 | its taking bloody long to start, on system bood |
| 15:50.49 | liable | JeffWilson12: look in your kenel logs first, and syslog |
| 15:50.56 | b00 | tarzeau: thank you |
| 15:51.00 | sylvain_ | tarzeau: oh cool! I'll have a look thx! |
| 15:51.01 | b00 | boot |
| 15:51.05 | JeffWilson12 | liable: I don't know what I'm looking for? |
| 15:51.22 | liable | JeffWilson12: funky errors :) |
| 15:51.40 | liable | JeffWilson12: they should stand out |
| 15:51.41 | JeffWilson12 | liable: but I've already seeen the errors....could there be info on the cause? |
| 15:51.50 | jair_11 | asg, quick question, in the Linux systems or mostly, debian in my case sarge, I use the minimal install "netinst" and I had to install a lot of packages by manual |
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| 15:51.55 | liable | JeffWilson12: what are they |
| 15:52.24 | jair_11 | asg, it is possible to have the laptop in hibernation like on the windows OS, system without have to urn it off |
| 15:52.36 | tarzeau | jair_11: x86 or powerpc? |
| 15:52.39 | jair_11 | asg, just keeping it stand by, for a quick restore |
| 15:52.43 | JeffWilson12 | liable: Kernel panic: Fatal exception in interrupt! |
| 15:52.50 | jair_11 | tarzeau, x86 |
| 15:52.52 | JeffWilson12 | liable: I didn't get that while booting, eitehr. it came up over night |
| 15:53.00 | sylvain_ | tarzeau: wow, qemu is amazing! thx a lot :-) |
| 15:53.00 | jair_11 | tarzeau, it is a laptop R51 |
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| 15:53.10 | jair_11 | tarzeau, IBM |
| 15:53.16 | JeffWilson12 | wow, kernel 2.4 booted faster than 2.6...by quite a lot. |
| 15:53.18 | liable | JeffWilson12: what about the other logs |
| 15:53.19 | jair_11 | or in a desktop as well |
| 15:53.30 | FieldySnuts | JeffWilson12: duh. it's smaller. |
| 15:53.35 | JeffWilson12 | liable: which others? |
| 15:53.37 | FieldySnuts | just as 2.2 will boot faster than 2.4 |
| 15:53.39 | jair_11 | is because I really never ask this before? |
| 15:53.44 | JeffWilson12 | FieldySnuts: yeah I figured it was something like that. |
| 15:53.55 | liable | JeffWilson12: messages, syslog |
| 15:53.56 | JeffWilson12 | liable: syslog, kernel log? |
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| 15:54.37 | jair_11 | and I would like to know if is possible to have this systems x86 to get suspended, in hibernation, or stand by ready to just restor it, instead of wait for all the boot process? |
| 15:54.39 | liable | JeffWilson12: you just upgraded from 2.4? |
| 15:54.50 | JeffWilson12 | liable: no, i just instaleld the 2.4 kernel image |
| 15:55.00 | JeffWilson12 | i went from 2.6 to 2.4. |
| 15:55.00 | takatumi | jair_11: google for acpi suspend |
| 15:55.11 | Cyanophytes | whats the apt command to check package debendencies |
| 15:55.27 | sepski | jair_11, /msg dpkg suspend |
| 15:55.30 | tarzeau | Cyanophytes: apt-cache depends nethack |
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| 15:56.04 | JeffWilson12 | liable: I'm not finding any reference to the error ... i searched for the panic that occoured, but no information in the logs |
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| 15:56.05 | liable | JeffWilson12: fresh install or what |
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| 15:56.16 | AciD | oi |
| 15:56.20 | JeffWilson12 | liable: no.. |
| 15:56.26 | takatumi | sepski: tried it? (swsusp) |
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| 15:56.45 | sepski | takatumi, never |
| 15:57.09 | takatumi | sepski: :) |
| 15:57.13 | Cyanophytes | tarzeau: I wand to know what packages depend on an already installed package |
| 15:57.16 | jair_11 | thnak you guys |
| 15:57.19 | jair_11 | danke |
| 15:57.23 | jair_11 | guys |
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| 15:57.44 | liable | JeffWilson12: tried the pci interupt thing at boot? |
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| 15:57.49 | thingfish | wouldn't that be apt-cache rdepends package? |
| 15:57.51 | tarzeau | Cyanophytes: yes replace nethack with your already installed package |
| 15:58.02 | tarzeau | Cyanophytes: or you mean rdepends? |
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| 15:58.13 | tarzeau | jair_11: again, there's also girls |
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| 15:58.16 | JeffWilson12 | liable: nope. |
| 15:58.33 | JeffWilson12 | asg: thanks for the help..gotta split for now. thanks to you too liable. |
| 15:58.47 | obtix | how do i copy all folder contents including hidden files and folders? |
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| 15:58.55 | liable | JeffWilson12: look in your kernel log, theres a thing about it, boot option |
| 15:58.56 | tarzeau | !folders |
| 15:58.57 | dpkg | in non-moronic language, directories |
| 15:59.11 | tarzeau | obtix: what's a hidden file? |
| 15:59.20 | Cyanophytes | tarzeau: rdepends? |
| 15:59.29 | tarzeau | Cyanophytes: man apt-get |
| 15:59.32 | tarzeau | Cyanophytes: man apt-cache |
| 15:59.32 | obtix | tarzeau: hrm.... something with a "." in the begging :-P |
| 15:59.40 | tarzeau | obtix: that's dotfiles then |
| 15:59.55 | obtix | tarzeau: what? |
| 16:00.02 | tarzeau | obtix: they are not hidden |
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| 16:00.23 | JeffWilson12 | liable: yes, I am using pci interrupt apparently. ttyl |
| 16:00.27 | sepski | obtix, man cp |
| 16:00.32 | Cyanophytes | tarzeau: I tried ./configure on the dosbox source and got checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.0... no |
| 16:00.32 | Cyanophytes | *** The sdl-config script installed by SDL could not be found |
| 16:00.38 | obtix | tarzeau: ok, well i hope you know what i mean... but i just want to copy my entire home dir with all my config files |
| 16:00.44 | tarzeau | Cyanophytes: you can't apt-get install dosbox? |
| 16:00.55 | liable | JeffWilson12: you see the thing it says in the log, as a boot option? |
| 16:01.13 | liable | JeffWilson12: if you have probs |
| 16:01.18 | Cyanophytes | tarzeau: When installing that way I get and error |
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| 16:01.26 | Cyanophytes | when running it |
| 16:02.01 | Cyanophytes | tarzeau: dosbox: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_sound-1.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:02.16 | obtix | sepski: nothing in there that appears to be able to help me |
| 16:03.07 | Cyanophytes | tarzeau: the package has dosbox pointing to SDL sound 1.0 and I have 1.2 |
| 16:03.11 | sepski | obtix, everything in there helps you, once you grasp that there is no hidden files, just use -r and copy the entire directory |
| 16:03.53 | hcy | anyone know what package the "gnome-volume-control" belongs to? |
| 16:04.04 | bbrazil | hcy: dpkg -S |
| 16:04.09 | obtix | sepski: i did copy -rf location-a location-b and i did not get all my files and i know nothing is hidden but i mean the dotted files |
| 16:04.20 | sepski | !find volume |
| 16:04.22 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'volume' (5): gkrellm-volume ;; gnome-volume-manager ;; libgtk2-ex-volumebutton-perl ;; volume.app ;; volumecontrol.app. |
| 16:04.52 | jme | obtix: man cp, like someone else already said |
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| 16:05.01 | hcy | gnome-volume-manager maybe? |
| 16:05.16 | liable | hcy: what you want with it |
| 16:05.17 | sepski | obtix, well when i copy using -r a directoy the dotfiles are included |
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| 16:06.11 | sepski | obtix, silly question, but you arent doing something like cp -rf /home/obtix/* i hope ? |
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| 16:06.33 | hcy | liable: the gnome-volume-control thing on my desktop's stopped working... if i try to raise the volume using it, the bar just snaps back down to zero again. If I try to open the volume control it gives me an error that no mixer elements are found |
| 16:06.34 | obtix | sepski: well then i have a problem, because thats what i thougt and to answer you silly question HEH, yes i am |
| 16:06.42 | vijay | hi all. |
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| 16:07.01 | hcy | i don't have gnome-volume-manager installed, so it can't be that |
| 16:07.10 | liable | hcy: no probs, use alsamixer |
| 16:07.14 | vijay | i want start few programs at startup...how to do that |
| 16:07.15 | sepski | obtix, cp -r /home/obtix /where/you/want/to/copy/it/to |
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| 16:07.44 | deftones | Hello,What is the better linux for desktop:Debian,gentoo or other? |
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| 16:08.14 | FieldySnuts | i wonder what answer you'll get here... |
| 16:08.22 | obtix | sepski: thank you, im trying it now this should take a few minutes |
| 16:08.24 | anto9us | you can run a multitude of desktops on any of them deftones |
| 16:08.25 | hcy | liable: alsamixer works. but as you know it only works in a console. the gnome thing was real convenient, icon on the bar, do it all with a mouse |
| 16:08.27 | sepski | !better |
| 16:08.28 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 16:08.41 | vijay | liable: i am using alsa..but i need to do alsaconf utility at each |
| 16:08.42 | vijay | startup..how to configure alsa permanently |
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| 16:09.30 | liable | hcy: 'alsactl store' will save it |
| 16:09.31 | FieldySnuts | nice attempt at faking 2600.com |
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| 16:09.45 | hcy | liable: not what i asked. |
| 16:09.55 | liable | hcy: bah then |
| 16:10.03 | anto9us | deftones, Mandriva is going to be my choice for the users in work |
| 16:10.11 | FieldySnuts | haha Mandriva... have fun |
| 16:10.13 | hcy | liable: that was vijay i think. I want a gui mixer |
| 16:10.30 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a distro war |
| 16:10.31 | apt | Mandrake r0x0z! |
| 16:10.32 | liable | hcy: yes i'm easily confused :) |
| 16:10.36 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 16:10.39 | anto9us | hehe |
| 16:10.40 | hcy | so am i ;) |
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| 16:10.52 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a different distro war |
| 16:10.56 | liable | hcy: alsamixer is almost gui |
| 16:11.10 | hcy | liable: :) almost isn't good enough ;) |
| 16:11.13 | deftones | i installed ubuntu,i think its a bit instable but its good |
| 16:11.20 | bltzfsck | my machine rebooted spontaneously, and now it stops in the middle of the boot process, asks for the root password, or ctl-d, and if i hit ctl-d it begins shutting down and loops back to the same place. so if i login as root, what do i look for next? |
| 16:11.22 | drac | hcy: Is there something wrong with alsamixergui ? |
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| 16:11.39 | liable | hcy: just do it, from console, it *does* the job |
| 16:11.49 | FieldySnuts | gui weenies |
| 16:12.01 | zophyx | gooey weenies |
| 16:12.03 | hcy | drac: thanks i'll try that |
| 16:12.35 | hcy | gui's are good for unimportant things like mixers, FieldySnuts ... i don't use them for the important things like word processing hehe ;) |
| 16:12.37 | liable | fuck, why doesnt alsamixer cut it? |
| 16:12.41 | bltzfsck | i started mc as root and was poking around /var/log. not sure what to look at though |
| 16:12.56 | FieldySnuts | it works fine, just user error |
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| 16:13.04 | liable | it looks *realy* coulorfull |
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| 16:13.45 | bltzfsck | it gave him cacheet |
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| 16:13.48 | FieldySnuts | well with rolls royce you want precision, rarely a need for air hammers and crap |
| 16:13.48 | bltzfsck | achet |
| 16:13.56 | liable | bltzfsck: still employed? |
| 16:14.19 | bltzfsck | probably dead, he was about eighty back then, thirty years ago |
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| 16:14.43 | bltzfsck | he was a legend in his own mind |
| 16:14.58 | liable | hmmmmmmm |
| 16:15.20 | paulswm | !punctuationsmite liable |
| 16:15.21 | Anders1 | rleailses he stlil cnat splel* |
| 16:15.25 | paulswm | :P |
| 16:15.29 | liable | hehe |
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| 16:15.50 | bltzfsck | so what would cause my machine (and I ask this from the command line, mind you) to spontaneously refuse to boot into multiuser mode? |
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| 16:16.35 | bltzfsck | to talk to youguys i have to login as root then su to a user then crank up epic4 |
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| 16:17.07 | bltzfsck | maybe i said too much there... |
| 16:17.11 | paulswm | bltzfsck: check default runlevel in /etc/inittab maybe |
| 16:17.13 | sepski | bltzfsck, an error message might have helped, or check your inittab |
| 16:17.31 | bltzfsck | why would they change spontaneously, though |
| 16:17.39 | bltzfsck | it was working ok when i went to bed |
| 16:18.00 | bltzfsck | it asks me to log in as root "for maintenance" |
| 16:18.01 | phogg | bltzfsck: check your boot log for errors, especially fsck errors |
| 16:18.04 | onre | did you pay attention to messages printed? maybe a fsck failed |
| 16:18.14 | bltzfsck | migt have |
| 16:18.16 | sepski | bltzfsck, eddies in the timespace continum |
| 16:18.30 | bltzfsck | sepski is talkin my language |
| 16:18.40 | paulswm | sepski: whomever Eddie might be :P |
| 16:19.23 | bltzfsck | heh |
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| 16:19.26 | bltzfsck | i'll have to leave you gents to poke around, thx for hte help |
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| 16:19.54 | Steed | hi |
| 16:20.02 | Steed | i have a quick question that makes me feel dumn |
| 16:20.33 | Steed | what's the difference between r-0 r-1 and r-3? |
| 16:20.50 | Steed | on the download thingies |
| 16:20.52 | Steed | and also |
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| 16:21.15 | chfn | asg, I still have problems. I think its eclipse package problem from unstable german mirror. its official. |
| 16:21.49 | Steed | how do I know which archeticture I need? I have an AMD Athalon 1600+ 1.41 GHz, and I figured that I needed i386 but I really have no clue |
| 16:21.49 | chfn | Heap |
| 16:21.49 | chfn | /var/lib/dpkg/info/eclipse-platform.postinst: line 6: 20899 Segmentation fault $JAVA -classpath /usr/share/eclipse/startup.jar org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main -initialize 2>&1 |
| 16:22.13 | joe666 | hi, I'm getting apt errors when I do apt-get update, it complains about some public keys not being there, how can I fix this ? |
| 16:22.25 | gravity | Steed: You do want the i386. You also want the newest r number you can get. r is for "release" |
| 16:22.32 | anto9us | Steed: The first question are version numbers, higher = latest. Second question, yes, you're right. |
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| 16:22.42 | Steed | sweet! |
| 16:22.43 | Steed | thanks! |
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| 16:22.57 | chfn | asg, sun java sdk/re is faster than blackdown |
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| 16:23.25 | dabreegster | Hey, what's up? |
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| 16:26.39 | Smerdyakov | How do I disable a particular device if I know its /dev name? |
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| 16:27.09 | obtix | sepski: hrm... regarding my problem - that still didnt work |
| 16:27.19 | sussudio | Smerdyakov: shutdown? |
| 16:27.40 | Smerdyakov | sussudio, that only disables the whole machine, right? |
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| 16:27.50 | sussudio | Smerdyakov: including the device you can't find |
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| 16:28.10 | Smerdyakov | sussudio, you are so helpful that I have just written you into my will. |
| 16:28.23 | sussudio | Smerdyakov: do you own any badger figurines? |
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| 16:31.48 | privet | Is succeeded in opening none of it is file the lairs:(îÅ ÕÄÁÅÔÓÑ ÏÔËÒÙÔØ ÎÉ ÏÄÉÎ ÉÚ ÆÁÊÌÏ× ÌÏÇÏ×:)/var/log/syslog.ppp |
| 16:31.48 | privet | /var/log/syslog |
| 16:31.48 | privet | /var/log/messages |
| 16:31.52 | privet | what this? |
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| 16:32.20 | rave | logs |
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| 16:33.01 | bltzfsck | ok, so when you said look at my boot log, did you mean dmsg? |
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| 16:33.36 | bltzfsck | there's no reference to fsck in the dmesg file |
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| 16:34.19 | vadi | Hmmm doesnt aRts support mic?... im running a program thrue artdsp and the microfone doesnt work |
| 16:34.24 | bltzfsck | it's hard to do stuff in single user mode... |
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| 16:35.23 | madclicker | hey all, i have a strange problem with aptitude "Warning could not lock cache file. Opening in read only mode" ? |
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| 16:35.50 | vadi | PerfDave, there? |
| 16:35.53 | obtix | how do i backup my home dir? i tried doing "cp -r /home/obtix/ /location" but that did not copy the dotted files and that is what i need the most - a lot of my application settings |
| 16:36.07 | tarzeau | obtix: i'd use tar |
| 16:36.15 | tarzeau | obtix: actually try apt-cache show ibackup |
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| 16:36.45 | streuner | obtix. /msg dpkg tar |
| 16:37.46 | obtix | tarzeau: i am going to try this ibackup |
| 16:37.57 | streuner | !info ibackup |
| 16:38.00 | dpkg | ibackup: (Automated backups (even remote) of machine configurations), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.27-4 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 16:38.17 | tarzeau | streuner: ich habs gemacht ;) |
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| 16:38.35 | streuner | hehe |
| 16:38.36 | PRO1 | any ideas why i cant start sshd? "Privilege separation user sshd does not exist" |
| 16:38.58 | tarzeau | PRO1: you can read? |
| 16:39.07 | mwilson | PRO1: Gee, you don't think the message is at all relevant? |
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| 16:39.20 | tarzeau | PRO1: you don't have a user with the name "sshd". do you even have debian? |
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| 16:39.29 | rave | lol |
| 16:39.31 | rave | :) |
| 16:39.41 | tarzeau | mwilson: that's where i want them thrown error msgs like "Error 5003242" |
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| 16:39.50 | tarzeau | mwilson: and pay $100 for help |
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| 16:40.17 | PRO1 | why do i have to have an sshd user? |
| 16:40.30 | bltzfsck | there is no file /var/log/boot on my system |
| 16:40.42 | mwilson | So that privilege separation works. |
| 16:40.48 | mwilson | Seems rather obvious. |
| 16:40.48 | PRO1 | aahh |
| 16:40.50 | tarzeau | PRO1: why can't you go out when the weather is so beautiful? |
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| 16:41.07 | PRO1 | i think i messed up in vipw |
| 16:41.13 | tarzeau | 18:38 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from PRO1: mIRC v6.12 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 16:41.20 | PRO1 | shush tarzeau |
| 16:41.34 | tarzeau | PRO1: i think you want a mirc client on linux |
| 16:41.48 | bltzfsck | why would my /var/log/boot file be absent? |
| 16:41.55 | mwilson | PRO1: So you decided it was OK to delete random stuff out of the password file, huh? |
| 16:42.04 | mwilson | bltzfsck: Why would you have one at all? |
| 16:42.13 | PRO1 | well im not used to vi and i might have hit d a couple of times by mistake |
| 16:42.21 | bltzfsck | i thought the bootlogd created it |
| 16:42.25 | tarzeau | PRO1: you never heard of EDITOR? |
| 16:42.29 | bltzfsck | i'm trying to find out why i cant boot |
| 16:42.32 | PRO1 | and now im trying to fix it via webmin |
| 16:42.33 | mwilson | bltzfsck: If you use bootlogd. |
| 16:42.37 | tarzeau | PRO1: nobody is forcing you to use vi! |
| 16:42.37 | PRO1 | tarzeau shush |
| 16:42.41 | cahoot | bltzfsck: look into /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 16:42.47 | PRO1 | :P |
| 16:42.49 | tarzeau | PRO1: hahaha webmin, cracks me up. HILARIOUS |
| 16:42.49 | mwilson | First it uses vipw, now it thinks it needs to use webmin? |
| 16:42.51 | bltzfsck | mwilson answers my question |
| 16:43.06 | tarzeau | PRO1: why don't you go back and use Microsoft Windows? |
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| 16:43.31 | bltzfsck | mwilson, then where should i look to find a problem with fsck? |
| 16:43.35 | PRO1 | tarzeau why dont you keep quiet if you dont have anything useful to say |
| 16:43.48 | tarzeau | PRO1: i say useful stuff. but you don't seem to get them |
| 16:43.49 | PRO1 | webmin is the only way i can get in atm |
| 16:43.52 | mwilson | bltzfsck: What problem do you think you have with fsck? |
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| 16:44.14 | mwilson | PRO1: You did this to a remote? |
| 16:44.25 | PRO1 | yeh |
| 16:44.27 | obtix | so if i do "tar -cvf home.tar /home/obtix" it will backup EVERYTHING in my home dir.. including the dotted files? |
| 16:44.27 | PRO1 | :| |
| 16:44.34 | tarzeau | PRO1: read /msg dpkg harden-doc |
| 16:44.39 | smhar | tarzeau, thanks any way.. I am apt-get installing it right now, but what is the comamnd to run it? |
| 16:44.46 | tarzeau | smhar: Gorm |
| 16:45.00 | tarzeau | obtix: there's an easy way to find out |
| 16:45.06 | StarFire | Hi all |
| 16:45.18 | obtix | tarzeau: bah, im going to test it :-\ |
| 16:45.19 | PRO1 | would there be a way to insert lines in /etc/passwd using command |
| 16:45.27 | bltzfsck | my boot process stops at a certain point and prompts me to ctl-d to continue or login as root for maintenance. ctl-d just begins a shutdown that brings be back to the same point, so i guess i need to do maintenance. it was suggested, plausibly, that there's a problem with my filesystem. that's how i got to this point |
| 16:45.28 | tarzeau | PRO1: yes |
| 16:45.40 | tarzeau | PRO1: man $SHELL |
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| 16:46.04 | tarzeau | actually man `basename $SHELL` |
| 16:46.10 | mwilson | bltzfsck: The message is rather explicit. Is there some reason you aren't doing what it says to do? |
| 16:46.22 | vadi | PerfDave, there? |
| 16:46.31 | sepski | PRO1, i havent followed the discussion , but woudnt apt-get remove --purge ssh && apt-get install ssh be a more sane command to run if you messed up your sshd config files ? |
| 16:46.54 | tarzeau | sepski: he messed up his /etc/passwd |
| 16:47.29 | StarFire | Since the update to 2.6.11, the sound is no longer working (ALSA) |
| 16:47.31 | rave | 4real ? |
| 16:47.31 | sepski | tarzeau, and woudnt a reinstall of ssh also reinsert the sshd user in /etc/passwd ? |
| 16:47.37 | bltzfsck | mwilson, as i said, i tried each option, the second option, i.e. do maintenance, is what i'm asking about. i started to run fsck as root, but came up on a rather intimidating warning that i might wreck my filesystem by fscking it mounted |
| 16:47.41 | tarzeau | sepski: i'm not sure. probably so |
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| 16:48.13 | mwilson | bltzfsck: If you do it mounted read-write, yes. |
| 16:48.25 | StarFire | The modules are loaded, everythings seems ok, but I don't hear anything... |
| 16:48.42 | sepski | StarFire, up the volume |
| 16:49.12 | PRO1 | thanks alot sepski |
| 16:49.13 | bltzfsck | mwilson, first, do you think fsck is the right direction? |
| 16:49.14 | PRO1 | worked! |
| 16:49.29 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 16:49.30 | dpkg | methinks harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 16:49.32 | tarzeau | PRO1: please read that |
| 16:49.37 | PRO1 | np |
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| 16:50.16 | bltzfsck | mwilson, then, do i just "man umount" unmount, remount, and check the filesystems? |
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| 16:51.06 | sepski | bltzfsck, no you do a mount -o remount,ro / |
| 16:51.15 | _gentgeen_ | I need a regex that will include anything that starts with "Cache*" "cache*" would that be ^.[Cc]ache* --Is that right?? |
| 16:51.29 | bltzfsck | ok, then run fsck? |
| 16:51.37 | tarzeau | _gentgeen_: without . |
| 16:51.42 | sepski | bltzfsck, affermative |
| 16:51.45 | _gentgeen_ | tarzeau, thanks |
| 16:51.50 | caphuso | _gentgeen_: ^[Cc]ache |
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| 16:52.14 | bltzfsck | sepski, i have /home on a separate drive, but that wouldn't be the problem, right? |
| 16:52.22 | caphuso | your regexp looks for things like 'scach' or 'acacheeeeeee' |
| 16:52.50 | joe666 | hi, I'm getting apt errors when I do apt-get update, it complains about some public keys not being there, how can I fix this ? |
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| 16:53.00 | sepski | bltzfsck, that depends on the error messages you recive. it should say during boot what fsck that failed |
| 16:53.02 | tarzeau | joe666: what does it say exactly? |
| 16:53.22 | bltzfsck | sepski, where would it be logged, though? |
| 16:53.23 | sepski | or rater what partition that failed to fsck |
| 16:53.28 | mwilson | tarzeau: Surely you don't expect him to actually read the error message? |
| 16:53.47 | bltzfsck | there's no /var/log/boot, so i guess i'm not running bootlogd, eh? |
| 16:53.52 | mwilson | bltzfsck: Why would it be logged anywhere? If you have a concern, fsck them all. |
| 16:53.52 | joe666 | tarzeau, GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian.org ../project/experimental Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
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| 16:54.13 | bltzfsck | mwilson, i don't even know that it's a file system error yet |
| 16:54.17 | joe666 | tarzeau, it also says that for other 4 repositories |
| 16:54.27 | bltzfsck | if it aint broke, why fix it? |
| 16:54.29 | mwilson | bltzfsck: You don't? |
| 16:54.29 | Snadder | how do I save an iptables state in debian sarge? |
| 16:54.32 | tarzeau | !sid faq joe666 |
| 16:54.40 | caphuso | Snadder: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 16:55.05 | bltzfsck | all i know is i'm prompted to do system maintenance. does that necessarily imply a filesystem problem? |
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| 16:55.54 | _gentgeen_ | caphuso, you are saying with out the * right?? |
| 16:55.59 | StarFire | sepski: The volume is up... |
| 16:56.12 | caphuso | _gentgeen_: i'm saying exactly what i wrote |
| 16:56.39 | _gentgeen_ | Duh, the ^ means 'start with' -- sorry, brain-fart |
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| 16:56.50 | bltzfsck | sepski, if i'm prompted to do system maintenance, does that imply a filesystem error? |
| 16:56.56 | naddar | hi all |
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| 16:57.14 | joe666 | !sid faq joe666 |
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| 16:57.33 | baikonur | hi |
| 16:57.57 | naddar | can i add this server to my source list? |
| 16:58.01 | naddar | and how anyone can help |
| 16:58.05 | naddar | http://ftp2.de.freesbie.org/mirror/mplayer/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/ |
| 16:58.09 | naddar | thanks |
| 16:59.14 | caphuso | naddar: read "man 5 sources" |
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| 16:59.55 | nomed^ | hi |
| 17:00.01 | baikonur | I have a problem with the encoding of an email, I use mutt and the email's encoding is "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed" but I get codes like this when viewing the email: \222 \226. Can someone tell me what that is exactly and how I can read the email flawlessly? |
| 17:00.24 | nomed^ | is there anyone that can explain how pkgedetails of debootstrap work? |
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| 17:02.20 | osh | Can anyone recommend a good "homepage"-wiki? It should be easy to maintain, have a little blog, a photo album, stuff like that? Preferably a .deb package but that's not required. |
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| 17:02.45 | jariep1_ | I'm having trouble exporting bookmarks from Mozilla. When I click on export it will not export the bookmarks. I'm using mozilla 1.7.5 on debian testing |
| 17:03.43 | baikonur | osh: a homepage wiki, that is a blog and a photo album at the same time? a wiki is a wiki |
| 17:03.58 | alnr | if i apt-get remove exim, it says it will remove mysql-server too. Should it be doing that? Is there a workaround to just remove exim but not mysql-server? |
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| 17:04.05 | baikonur | jariep1_: try irc.mozilla.org #mozillazine |
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| 17:04.15 | silver_cpu | good sunday, everyone |
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| 17:04.28 | jariep1_ | osh, I started using coWiki, iI tried pmwiki before that, but it may not have everything that you're looking for |
| 17:04.56 | silver_cpu | i'm having trouble getting my km266 prosavage video to work, anyone have any experience with that? |
| 17:05.04 | osh | jariep1_: I'll have a look at coWiki. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 17:05.05 | jariep1_ | baikonur, mozillazine is empty, no users |
| 17:05.59 | baikonur | jariep1_: look at the MOTD of the server |
| 17:06.04 | jariep1_ | osh, the nice thing about coWiki, is that you can rename wiki pages and all back links |
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| 17:06.50 | baikonur | jariep1_: 72 users in #mozillazine |
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| 17:07.23 | osh | baikonur: I'm looking for something along the lines of www.blomkvist.nu. |
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| 17:08.06 | silver_cpu | anyone have any ideas where i might look? i've googled to death on that one |
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| 17:08.25 | silver_cpu | the only think i want to do is get a 1280x1024 resolution, and 24bit color |
| 17:08.34 | silver_cpu | don't even want accelleration |
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| 17:09.00 | silver_cpu | but with the "vesa" driver it won't go up, and with the "savage" driver x won't start |
| 17:09.01 | baikonur | osh: then get the single components, this site uses "gallery" as a photo gallery, it is available as a .deb via apt-get |
| 17:09.02 | Niterider | quickie question, if Debian Sarge final isn't released, how come on Distrowatch, there's a banner on top of page advertising Deb satge final from easyspeedy, isn't this going to be confusing for people |
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| 17:09.29 | FieldySnuts | dunno, we don't run distro watch |
| 17:09.38 | drac | silver_cpu: I think you need 'via' driver for that card, and that involves installing X.Org. |
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| 17:10.12 | naddar | and how anyone can help |
| 17:10.16 | naddar | http://ftp2.de.freesbie.org/mirror/mplayer/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/ |
| 17:10.17 | Niterider | ok, i realize that....just i thought it was not proper to be advertising a "final" version of Sarge when it ain't |
| 17:10.23 | gothtec | How can I "set the environment variable G_BROKEN_FILENAMES=1"? |
| 17:10.28 | naddar | how i add thisone on my sources.list |
| 17:10.41 | gothtec | GQview complains about some filenames on a mounted samba share... |
| 17:10.46 | baikonur | osh: you can use wordpress for blogging |
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| 17:10.55 | jcurry | I ugraded to udev, and now I have a /dev/dri/card0 device...but dri doesn't work...what should i symlink this to? |
| 17:10.56 | jariep1_ | baikonur, I clicked on your link for #mozillazine and I can't find any users or the Message of the day |
| 17:11.04 | Niterider | k...ty..p.s, it is not D.W it's easyspeedy.com |
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| 17:11.26 | citral | naddar: google for "mplayer marillat", it's all there |
| 17:11.30 | osh | baikonur: Worldpress. Hmm. I'll look at that too then. Thanks for the hint. |
| 17:11.48 | jariep1_ | why can't I get into #mozillazine? |
| 17:12.04 | jariep1_ | this seems really strange |
| 17:12.04 | drac | silver_cpu: Check out first if XFree86 has that driver "via", i'm not sure if it has it or not. |
| 17:12.26 | devserve | jariep1_: they don;t want people whose name starts with j? |
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| 17:13.32 | devserve | #mozillazine doesn't exist on the server and the freenode people don't like channels that start with #? |
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| 17:14.05 | bltzfsck | what's the normal mulit-user runlevel, 3? |
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| 17:14.20 | caphuso | bltzfsck: grep default /etc/inittab |
| 17:14.38 | bltzfsck | naah, not for me, i mean for regular folks |
| 17:14.46 | devserve | bltzfsck: yeah, whatever the default is |
| 17:14.48 | gothtec | in debian, 2 |
| 17:14.55 | bltzfsck | i gotta quit fooling around with this thing when i;m drunk |
| 17:15.00 | citral | mozillazine is not even listed by chanserv |
| 17:15.04 | bltzfsck | i think i changed my default runlevel |
| 17:15.06 | devserve | bltzfsck: if you're not regular, try metamucil :) |
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| 17:15.12 | jcurry | I ugraded to udev, and now I have a /dev/dri/card0 device...but dri doesn't work...what should i symlink this to? |
| 17:15.26 | bltzfsck | devserve, just pour it in the old cereal port, eh? |
| 17:15.28 | gothtec | How can I "set the environment variable G_BROKEN_FILENAMES=1"? GQview complains about some filenames on a mounted samba share. |
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| 17:15.40 | citral | installing udev is everything but not an upgrade |
| 17:15.42 | devserve | bltzfsck: heh, yeah :) |
| 17:15.44 | PerfDave | gothtec: How are you launching this application? |
| 17:16.06 | baikonur | jariep1_: you connected to irc.mozilla.org? #mozillazine is not on freenode |
| 17:16.06 | bltzfsck | devserve, is 3 normally the default runlevel? |
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| 17:16.27 | bltzfsck | on a normal machine, run by a normal person who's regular? |
| 17:16.29 | peppo | where in Debian stable do I set LC_DATE and such variables? I can find no /etc/environment |
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| 17:16.43 | devserve | bltzfsck: probably... I haven't changed mine... lessee... |
| 17:16.49 | PerfDave | bltzfsck: A local machine, for local users? |
| 17:16.58 | rave | you can set it in /etc/profile as well |
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| 17:17.09 | citral | peppo: of course there is /etc/environment |
| 17:17.09 | bltzfsck | perfdave, yeah |
| 17:17.19 | devserve | 2 seems to be the defautl |
| 17:17.26 | bltzfsck | a mom and pop machine |
| 17:17.39 | rave | in /etc/profile |
| 17:17.40 | gothtec | PerfDave: "gqview"... performed by a menu selection in fluxbox |
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| 17:18.02 | bltzfsck | devserve, thanks |
| 17:18.02 | mwilson | citral: Only if you use PAM. |
| 17:18.03 | jariep1_ | baikonur, oops, sorry, thanks for telling me |
| 17:18.08 | PerfDave | gothtec: Well, from a command line you should launch it with "G_BROKEN_FILENAMES=1 gqview", perhaps you can change your fluxbox shortcut appropriately. |
| 17:18.14 | devserve | btw, all users would be under a particular runlevel, i.e., a machine cannot be on two runlevels at once... |
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| 17:19.10 | devserve | also most runlevels in debian are identical by default (2 3 4 5 that is) |
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| 17:19.40 | devserve | they are that way so the machine owner (or tender) can customize if they want |
| 17:20.18 | jcurry | I ugraded to udev, and now I have a /dev/dri/card0 device...but dri doesn't work...what should i symlink this to? |
| 17:20.53 | citral | mwilson: yeah, just saw that |
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| 17:21.24 | rave | /dev/sound ?? |
| 17:21.51 | devserve | then he'd have dri sound? |
| 17:21.56 | FieldySnuts | you don't symlink in udev, you configure udev to set it up properly. I don't know how, i just know that's how it's done with udev (if you could even symlink, it'd forget it anyway) |
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| 17:22.42 | caphuso | you can |
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| 17:22.51 | EnterD | I am trying to compile a new kernel (2.6.11) to replace the one on the installation cd, because it doesn't support my hardware. |
| 17:23.30 | gothtec | PerfDave: wtf... it still gives me an error, but instead of saying it appears that the variable is unset, it not complains that it's in fact set to 1, which is what it asked me to do... please take a look, if you have a browser available: http://nwn.panikk.org/stuff/strange.jpg |
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| 17:24.32 | mwilson | gothtec: Uh, it seems rather explicit, given that error dialog. |
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| 17:25.20 | EnterD | How do I replace the kernel on the Debian Install CD and then make a new ISO. |
| 17:25.31 | PerfDave | gothtec: I've not used gqview, but that error message seems to be that you need to be using a UTF8 locale, and if you are then you need to set that variable to 1 if your filesystem doesn't have UTF-8 filenames. |
| 17:25.34 | EnterD | I have tried but it doesn't boot. I included the boot image in nero. |
| 17:25.43 | gothtec | mwilson: but it tells me that i should try setting the environment variable to 1, then informs me that it is already set to 1... that kind of confuses me |
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| 17:26.15 | _joey | what option do I use to download the package and all dependencies only, without installation |
| 17:26.21 | peppo | I can't find where LC_TIME etc is defined. in my workstation's debian install there's /etc/environment that contain these variables. can I set it in /etc/profile? |
| 17:26.26 | gothtec | PerfDave: should I put "LANG=utf-8" in front of the command too? |
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| 17:27.08 | PerfDave | gothtec: I doubt that'll work. /msg dpkg locales |
| 17:27.12 | mwilson | gothtec: Then you actually bother to read the ENTIRE message, and learn what your problem is. |
| 17:27.15 | PerfDave | EnterD: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD any good? |
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| 17:27.36 | PerfDave | mwilson: To be fair, it's a pretty lame error message. |
| 17:27.43 | EnterD | alright |
| 17:27.45 | EnterD | i'll try it |
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| 17:28.16 | PerfDave | EnterD: Just google for "custom debian installer" and see if you can find what you're looking for. |
| 17:28.24 | mwilson | peppo: Why do you think you need to set LC_TIME? |
| 17:28.50 | peppo | mwilson, I've no idea. I'm shooting in the dark. on my debian unstable system, date output gives swedish output. |
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| 17:29.07 | peppo | mwilson, and _TIME and _NUMERIC are sv_SE.UTF-8 |
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| 17:29.18 | PerfDave | EnterD: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 17:29.39 | mwilson | peppo: Why are you setting the variables individually rather than setting LANG to your perferred locale? |
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| 17:29.49 | peppo | mwilson, because language should stay english. |
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| 17:29.57 | peppo | mwilson, I want only date as swedish |
| 17:30.11 | knt | why there isn't a /proc/sys directory? Do I miss sth. in the kernel configuration? |
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| 17:30.52 | silver_cpu | ok, so how do i switch to xorg? |
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| 17:31.12 | mwilson | silver_cpu: You don't. |
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| 17:31.45 | silver_cpu | well, i can't seem to get the via module to work (i have the km266, not the clm266), and the savage driver won't work, either |
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| 17:32.15 | silver_cpu | savage comes up, but i have a black "X" cursor in the middle of my screen, and it still won't go higher than 1024x768 |
| 17:32.18 | PerfDave | silver_cpu: Why do you think switching to xorg will help? |
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| 17:32.30 | mwilson | silver_cpu: Ah, so it's working, then. |
| 17:32.35 | silver_cpu | well i know that it worked when i had xorg under gentoo |
| 17:32.44 | silver_cpu | it only took minor configuration |
| 17:32.46 | mwilson | Then run Gentoo. |
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| 17:32.53 | PerfDave | silver_cpu: Which version of Debian are you trying to run? |
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| 17:32.59 | silver_cpu | lol i don't wanna! it's too much maintenance |
| 17:33.06 | silver_cpu | sid, i upgraded from sarge |
| 17:33.12 | EnterD | PerfDave: That guide is full of crap I dont need...all I want to do is replace the 2.6 kernel in the 2.6 directory on the Net install CD |
| 17:33.15 | _joey | what option do I use to download the package and all dependencies only, without installation |
| 17:33.22 | groton | Hello all. How to set up my linux box to use the modem i attached to my Window computer? i already enabled ICS on the Windows one, and they are correctly connected via a crossover eth cable in a local LAN. |
| 17:33.25 | mwilson | How is it any maintenance at all? |
| 17:33.27 | PerfDave | _joey: man apt-get |
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| 17:33.51 | PerfDave | silver_cpu: So you're in Sid, and you've got a bug. Did you check the BTS? |
| 17:33.59 | bbrazil | groton: set the default route so that the windows box is the gateway |
| 17:34.05 | PerfDave | groton: You should just need to enable DHCP on the Linux box. |
| 17:34.07 | mikeX | _joey, man apt-get |
| 17:34.14 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: because it's more than clicking on a button, I imagine. |
| 17:34.14 | silver_cpu | mwilson, there's TONS of background mainenance you have to do, and you're constantly working out details to get drivers and software to work |
| 17:34.23 | silver_cpu | it's just not as well integrated as debian is, yet |
| 17:34.31 | silver_cpu | at least that's the feeling i came away with |
| 17:34.32 | mwilson | silver_cpu: Except that you're not, of course. |
| 17:34.34 | silver_cpu | but that's just me |
| 17:34.39 | baikonur | How can I convert filenames from a windows system to UTF-8? |
| 17:34.49 | groton | bbrazil: exactly what i thought. I see in the /etc/network/interfaces e single entry with "*" in the Gateway column. SHould i put the Win's IP address in there? |
| 17:34.56 | groton | s/e/a |
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| 17:35.00 | FieldySnuts | big surprise, horde framework xss vulns http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=horde-announce&r=1&b=200504&w=2 |
| 17:35.07 | FieldySnuts | @lart horde |
| 17:35.08 | silver_cpu | PerfDave, no i haven't how do i check that? |
| 17:35.16 | PerfDave | !btssmite silver_cpu |
| 17:35.17 | peppo | well, I fixed the date stuff. how do I propagate this to running services like apache? |
| 17:35.26 | bbrazil | groton: I only did this manually and temporarily, I just used the route command |
| 17:35.32 | FieldySnuts | might be the wrong u rl, oh well |
| 17:35.33 | mwilson | peppo: You don't. |
| 17:35.33 | PerfDave | silver_cpu: Why are you running Sid? It's not an upgrade from Sarge. /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 17:35.56 | peppo | mwilson, please explain if you wish. |
| 17:36.12 | ar3dam | hi there, how can make my custom debian ? |
| 17:36.23 | groton | bbrazil: i said the wrong file, it is not that one. I have to figure out which one route uses |
| 17:36.29 | mwilson | peppo: What's to explain? They're already running, they already have their own copies of the environment. |
| 17:36.34 | valdyn | !confuse ar3dam |
| 17:36.35 | dpkg | No, where are their weasel yesterday, ar3dam? trousers of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra herring |
| 17:36.36 | silver_cpu | PerfDave, i'm running unstable (that is sid, right) because i like to have a very recent kernel |
| 17:36.41 | PerfDave | EnterD: Those URLs I've given you are about how to make a custom debian-installer with different kernel-image packages. |
| 17:36.47 | bbrazil | groton: thats one file involved, I don't think any other matters in debian |
| 17:37.04 | peppo | mwilson, well, I need Apache/friends to know that it should generate dates that says "Söndag Maj 1" instead of Sunday May 1" |
| 17:37.07 | ar3dam | ok, i wanna make my own disto on debian.... how can make this? |
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| 17:37.16 | PerfDave | ar3dam: Why? |
| 17:37.18 | FieldySnuts | heh I forgot about confuse |
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| 17:37.41 | opqdonut | !seen DragonD |
| 17:37.42 | dpkg | opqdonut: i haven't seen 'dragond' |
| 17:37.50 | PerfDave | silver_cpu: Well, sid often has serious bugs, that could be the problem that you're having. Either way, Sid and Sarge's xfree86 both have backported drivers from xorg, so trying to stick xorg on a Debian system probably won't help you any. |
| 17:37.57 | ar3dam | PerfDave i have a project on my school.... |
| 17:38.07 | PerfDave | ar3dam: What do you want to actually achieve? |
| 17:38.08 | FieldySnuts | is it on the roof? |
| 17:38.16 | silver_cpu | PerfDave, good point. i'll try and work with what i've got |
| 17:38.18 | PnE | A problem was found to read driverutines from /instmnt/dist/woody/main/disks-i386/currenct/bf2.4/drivers.tgz |
| 17:38.19 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: No, that's where the swimming pool is. |
| 17:38.21 | PnE | what can be wrong? |
| 17:38.27 | FieldySnuts | oh |
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| 17:38.48 | valdyn | PnE: broken disk |
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| 17:39.18 | PnE | valdyn, the disc is burned, i burned it yesterday, everything else worked except that :/ |
| 17:39.26 | mwilson | Man the new gqview is even slower than the 1.x version. |
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| 17:40.21 | ar3dam | PerfDave... i wanna use on my own distro, the logo of my school, and, some software what i need to my presentation... |
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| 17:40.39 | FieldySnuts | sounds like he wants a sort of livecd |
| 17:40.47 | silver_cpu | i know exactly what i'll do: install an old video card i know works :) |
| 17:40.52 | silver_cpu | bbiab |
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| 17:41.13 | FieldySnuts | yeah if you just need 2d.. n/m |
| 17:41.27 | PnE | Anybody that can help me? /q PnE |
| 17:41.52 | FieldySnuts | !irritate PnE |
| 17:41.53 | dpkg | PnE: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my mepis werkz lol |
| 17:42.20 | PnE | :( |
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| 17:43.23 | hacim | PnE: the social climate here stipulates you ask your question publically and hopefully someone can help. Private messages are frowned on between people who dont know each other |
| 17:43.36 | valdyn | PnE: enter linux26 at the boot promp, maybe the CD is not broken at more places, or burn a new one |
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| 17:44.09 | eob84 | can anyone help me with bootsplash patch for kernel? |
| 17:44.19 | eob84 | 2.6.11? |
| 17:44.20 | PnE | ill try |
| 17:44.21 | mc_ | rtfm |
| 17:44.28 | eob84 | I installed the patch |
| 17:44.37 | eob84 | but it won't let me open the menu |
| 17:44.42 | eob84 | in menuconfig |
| 17:44.52 | eob84 | I press return and nothing happens |
| 17:44.57 | mc_ | have you installed ncurses? |
| 17:45.01 | eob84 | yea |
| 17:45.07 | eob84 | ncurses-dev |
| 17:45.24 | mc_ | is it in your /etc/ld.conf? |
| 17:45.35 | eob84 | for the kernel? |
| 17:45.37 | valdyn | eob84: select help when that menu point is selected, it should show dependencies, that you must fullfill first |
| 17:45.39 | drac | eob84: libncurses5-dev build-essential |
| 17:46.34 | FieldySnuts | @shove it |
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| 17:46.54 | eob84 | drac, that is the package I have |
| 17:47.23 | FieldySnuts | apt: calculate broadcast of 123.123.123.0/17 |
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| 17:48.13 | FieldySnuts | too lazy |
| 17:48.29 | eob84 | I have never been able to ge anything but the 2.6.8 kernel to compile on this system |
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| 17:48.58 | Nagytalop | re |
| 17:49.04 | mc_ | wb |
| 17:49.20 | FieldySnuts | badgercalc |
| 17:49.28 | Justin | 123.123.123.0/17 doesn't look right... shouldn't it be 123.123.128.0/17 ?d |
| 17:49.33 | PerfDave | ar3dam: You can certainly do what you want with a Customised Debian Distribution (CDD) rather than making your own Debian-derived distribution. |
| 17:49.36 | FieldySnuts | maybe. i just made it up. |
| 17:50.07 | PerfDave | ar3dam: Or you can just install Debian and customise it with your school logo, if this is only for one machine. |
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| 17:50.19 | Nagytalop | i got a que : can i convert my ntfs partition(100 GB) to ext3 or fat? |
| 17:50.27 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: Is sipcalc something for VoIP? :) |
| 17:50.30 | PerfDave | Nagytalop: No |
| 17:50.35 | Nagytalop | :( |
| 17:50.40 | Nagytalop | thanx :) |
| 17:50.41 | FieldySnuts | http://www.routemeister.net/projects/sipcalc/ |
| 17:50.42 | ar3dam | yes, i wanna do CDD... |
| 17:50.56 | ar3dam | perfdave, i wanna do CDD... |
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| 17:51.28 | eob84 | what are the things I need, in order to compile a kernel? |
| 17:51.40 | eob84 | besides compiler and kernel-source |
| 17:51.44 | PerfDave | eob84: make-kpkg and build-essential. Why do you want to compile a kernel? |
| 17:51.49 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: No, no it's not. |
| 17:51.56 | eob84 | build-essential |
| 17:52.01 | PerfDave | Nagytalop: I had this problem (with FAT32), ended up borrowing a spare 300Gb disk from work and using it to transfer. |
| 17:52.09 | eob84 | I want to compile it for my p4 |
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| 17:52.21 | PerfDave | eob84: Just use a -686 kernel-image? |
| 17:52.23 | eob84 | instead of 386 arch |
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| 17:53.14 | PerfDave | eob84: apt-cache search kernel-image 686 |
| 17:53.34 | eob84 | and I want to add bootsplash support |
| 17:53.40 | ar3dam | perfdave, but when install my CDD, i wanna to look my school logo, etc, etc... |
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| 17:53.52 | jesperj | I get an error from gimp perl and a post on the net says it is a bug in sarge: http://groups.google.se/groups?q=error+(1)+at+/usr/lib/perl5/Gimp/Net.pm+line+67&hl=sv&lr=&selm=3yFQs-5O7-27%40gated-at.bofh.it&rnum=1 . I am trying to do what he suggests but there is no such pattern as "usr/bin/gimp-2.0" in /usr/lib/perl5/Gimp/Config.pm |
| 17:54.16 | jesperj | any ideas? |
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| 17:54.47 | jesperj | The error I get is: GalleryGFX_Hack.pl: protocol error (1) at /usr/lib/perl5/Gimp/Net.pm line 67. (ERROR) \n protocol error (1) at /usr/lib/perl5/Gimp/Net.pm line 67. |
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| 17:54.57 | PerfDave | eob84: For Debian bootsplash packages, /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 17:55.04 | valdyn | jesperj: sarges gimp is /usr/bin/gimp |
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| 17:55.08 | revenger | any idea why login exits with a SIGBUS? |
| 17:55.11 | PerfDave | ar3dam: You want Debian, but customised with your school logo? Is this for one machine or installing several? |
| 17:55.29 | madclicker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:56.14 | osh | What's the debian equivialent (sp?) of "rpm -qa"? |
| 17:56.44 | jesperj | valdyn, the post suggested to replace all occurancies of "usr/bin/gimp-2.0" in the file /usr/lib/perl5/Gimp/Config.pm to fix the bug. I can not find any occurancies of "usr/bin/gimp-2.0" in that file |
| 17:56.44 | PerfDave | osh: What does "rpm -qa" do? |
| 17:57.01 | osh | PerfDave: List all installed packages |
| 17:57.12 | streuner | q=query |
| 17:57.14 | PerfDave | osh: dpkg -l |
| 17:57.24 | jesperj | wait |
| 17:57.31 | jesperj | perhaps this is irrelevant |
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| 17:58.02 | jesperj | The error message he got is not exactly like mine... |
| 17:58.12 | osh | I've just tried installing wordpress and it said it depended on httpd, yet it didn't install any apache2-binaries. Just a conf-file in /etc/apache/conf. Annoying and disturbing... ;-/ |
| 17:58.17 | jesperj | but I also get an error on line 67 |
| 17:59.06 | osh | Just "apache-common" and "apache2-utils" isn't enough to run a webserver I take it? |
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| 17:59.32 | osh | PerfDave: dpkg -l did exactly what I wanted. Thanks. |
| 17:59.48 | PerfDave | dpkg: rpm -qa is dpkg -l in Debian |
| 17:59.48 | dpkg | PerfDave: okay |
| 17:59.55 | PerfDave | !rpm -qa |
| 17:59.55 | dpkg | methinks rpm -qa is dpkg -l in Debian |
| 18:00.04 | mwilson | osh: Why would it install apache2? |
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| 18:00.38 | osh | mwilson: Well, it installed "apache2-utils". |
| 18:00.53 | PerfDave | osh: apache2-utils is now common to both Apache and Apache 2. |
| 18:00.56 | madclicker | is debian using a different configuration for apache 2 than other distros? |
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| 18:01.24 | jazzanova | hi |
| 18:01.28 | mwilson | madclicker: Every distribution is different. |
| 18:01.36 | oguz | hi, how can i watch asf and asx files? |
| 18:01.37 | mc_ | hello jazzanova |
| 18:01.48 | jazzanova | i need to install 1.4.1 jvm, where do i get it ? |
| 18:01.49 | streuner | madclicker: how should we know all configurations of other distros? |
| 18:01.52 | osh | Oh crap. I have to do my taxes today. Got to run. Thanks for your help. I'll be back later I think. |
| 18:01.59 | PerfDave | jazzanova: /msg dpkg java |
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| 18:02.22 | oguz | mplayer is opening them automatically but it is not making them run |
| 18:02.29 | oguz | so it seems there should be a codec |
| 18:02.30 | madclicker | mwilson: where would i find info on how to run named based virtusl sites on debian? |
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| 18:02.39 | PerfDave | osh: Do you have w32codecs from marillat installed? |
| 18:02.51 | mwilson | madclicker: No idea. |
| 18:02.51 | PerfDave | oguz: Do you have w32codecs from marillat installed? |
| 18:02.57 | PerfDave | osh: Oohps, mistab. |
| 18:03.15 | streuner | madclicker: use google |
| 18:03.23 | madclicker | k |
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| 18:03.37 | nestorm | hi everyone |
| 18:03.37 | mwilson | madclicker: I don't know why any such information would be Debian-specific, however. |
| 18:03.46 | PerfDave | madclicker: Why do you think it'd be different from the documentation on the Apache website? |
| 18:03.47 | oguz | PerfDave, i have w32codecs but i dont know whether they from Marillat or not |
| 18:03.59 | adaran | i've got a problem with mplayer/file formats: i downloaded a trailer from the apple quicktime HD gallery, with an ending .zip. extracting it yielded a __MACOS subfolder, with a single file in it: ._serenity_1080p.mov . i can't play that file with mplayer, it complains about a missing avisynth.dll - also i've tried "file ._serenity_1080p.mov", yielding "._serenity_1080p.mov: AppleDouble encoded Macintosh file" -- now i'm royally confused |
| 18:04.00 | jazzanova | thanks |
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| 18:04.31 | mwilson | PerfDave: That would require him to actually read the docs on the Apache website, rather than someone giving him a rote recipie to follow without understanding it. |
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| 18:04.43 | mc_ | ciao |
| 18:04.43 | ar3dam | PerfDave, Several install, i need it burn on cd... |
| 18:04.44 | streuner | adaran: blame apple |
| 18:04.56 | streuner | adaran: in short you need the codec |
| 18:05.12 | madclicker | PerfDave: i dont see any ../available-sites, enabled-sites/ crap on apache site |
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| 18:05.17 | mwilson | adaran: Sheesh... the Serenity trailers were endlessly linked from slashcrap, in a multitude of encodings. |
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| 18:05.28 | valdyn | jesperj: line 44: ...=>q[] should be ...=>q[/usr/bin/gimp-2.2] |
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| 18:05.48 | PerfDave | madclicker: I'm sure it's detailed in there somewhere. Or you could install the apache2-doc package. |
| 18:05.50 | adaran | streuner, yes, i thought as much - however, i don't grok why mplayer is complaining about avisynth.dll - googling indicated that its for something different |
| 18:05.53 | PerfDave | oguz: Well, they're not in Debian, so if you have them you have them from marillat. It may be that they're not yet supported. |
| 18:06.07 | Nagytalop | bye |
| 18:06.09 | Nagytalop | :) |
| 18:06.09 | adaran | mwilson, yes, and i have seen it too - but i want to see whether i can get QTHD working or not |
| 18:06.51 | PerfDave | ar3dam: What you want is probably just a custom debian installer, which is a Sarge installer with some udebs which preconfigure packages to your school's requirements, add logos etc. It's documented at http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 18:06.59 | adaran | mwilson, otherwise, i'm wondering if i cannot copy a windows codec DLL over and have mplayer use that one (on x86) - like it does with WMV9 |
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| 18:07.35 | scarynetworkguy | adaran: Get the QT .dlls from a Windows box and drop themin /usr/lib/win32/ should work like a charm. |
| 18:07.35 | oguz | PerfDave, ok, i installed them via apt-get, so it seems i can not watch online tv :) |
| 18:07.37 | nestorm | One question I have is if kde3.4 is available for Sarge |
| 18:07.53 | nestorm | I am talking about final release, not rc1 |
| 18:07.53 | PerfDave | oguz: Tell your online TV provider to use an open format. |
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| 18:08.04 | PerfDave | nestorm: No |
| 18:08.07 | adaran | scarynetworkguy, i'll try that. now i just need to find out what they are named i guess :P |
| 18:08.09 | nestorm | right |
| 18:08.14 | PerfDave | !topicsmite nestorm |
| 18:08.14 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon nestorm. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:08.16 | nestorm | thanks PerfDave |
| 18:08.33 | PerfDave | nestorm: There are unofficial 3.4 debs, IIRC, but they're not in the Debian Sarge repositories and never will be. |
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| 18:08.38 | mwilson | adaran: Uh, it's an H.264 file. When did that start being supported on Linux? |
| 18:08.44 | scarynetworkguy | adaran: They are all in the same dir on Windows just poke around a bit. |
| 18:08.44 | nestorm | !topicsmite |
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| 18:08.49 | groton | how to make the result of a "route" command permanent? I see that after i run it, it adds an entry to the /proc/net/route file, but that file is not meant to be manually edited. |
| 18:09.03 | PerfDave | groton: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 18:09.11 | valdyn | groton: dont add routes with the route command but add them in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:09.19 | nestorm | yes Dave, I know that ones, but the packages has rc1 in the name |
| 18:09.20 | groton | PerfDave: setting the gateway for my linux box. the gateway is a win computer. |
| 18:09.20 | adaran | mwilson, i don't know. i don't remember wmv9 beeing supported on linux either, but the little fairies inside my computer make it work somehow! |
| 18:09.26 | PerfDave | groton: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:09.29 | oguz | PerfDave, i dont have a online Tv provider i was just looking at the net whether i can watch a tv, which formats are open, i watch some channels with .tv format |
| 18:09.31 | groton | valdyn: ok. |
| 18:09.32 | ar3dam | perfdave, lets see.. |
| 18:09.48 | PerfDave | oguz: I'm sorry, that made no sense to me whatsoever. |
| 18:09.56 | silver_cpu | thanks everyone that was trying to help me with my video issue. i finally narrowed it down to an improperly configured XFree. I had not set my horiz sync rate correctly |
| 18:10.10 | silver_cpu | but i have everything working fine |
| 18:10.11 | silver_cpu | :) |
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| 18:10.18 | PerfDave | oguz: If somebody is providing you with Quickslime files, suggest to them that they use a more cross-platform codec. |
| 18:10.19 | groton | valdyn: i got farther since last time. Now my windows and linux computer talks togheter in a local LAN. and my linux compo could connect to internet too. Maybe i could install a ircbox in my linux box now :) |
| 18:10.48 | PerfDave | groton: Any reason why you're not using the Linux box to connect to the Internet? You could use it as a firewall for the Windows box. |
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| 18:11.28 | oguz | PerfDave, ok |
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| 18:11.36 | groton | PerfDave: that wil be the next step. But the reason is that i use mostly the Window one (sorry :)) cause it is 10 times faster. |
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| 18:11.57 | jesperj | Thank you SOOOOO much valdyn" *hugs you* |
| 18:11.59 | PerfDave | groton: So install Debian on the faster machine ;) |
| 18:12.09 | groton | Peri will do exactly that in the future. |
| 18:12.15 | jesperj | valdyn, is this something that should be reported as a bug perhaps? |
| 18:12.19 | jesperj | valdyn, it works now :D |
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| 18:12.34 | groton | s/Peri/PerfDave: :) |
| 18:12.36 | PerfDave | silver_cpu: I'm glad you got it sorted. |
| 18:12.36 | valdyn | jesperj: it works, but i dont know perl and i know much less about gimp so this *might* be supposed to be set from your script, not in that file.. |
| 18:12.40 | PerfDave | Mmm, peri peri. |
| 18:12.43 | mwilson | Gods, people who create Flash-ony web sites should be shot. |
| 18:12.45 | silver_cpu | thanks, PerfDave. me too |
| 18:13.01 | streuner | mwilson: hehe :-) |
| 18:13.05 | silver_cpu | PerfDave, if anyone else comes in complaining about not being able to get a high enough resolution or refresh rate, i'll know what to tell them :) |
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| 18:13.26 | streuner | mwilson: Who use links2 nowdays? |
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| 18:13.54 | scarynetworkguy | streuner: I do. All the time. |
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| 18:14.18 | EvilSporkMan | is cdparanoia broken with the 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 18:14.28 | streuner | scarynetworkguy: the market doesn't care about enough links2... |
| 18:14.36 | valdyn | EvilSporkMan: no |
| 18:15.16 | EvilSporkMan | valdyn: blast...i'm getting straight pluses when ripping despite switching IDE cables, IDE channels, and drives (both of my new drives as well a known good drive) |
| 18:15.16 | scarynetworkguy | streuner: What does that have to do with anything that mwilson said? |
| 18:15.21 | jesperj | valdyn, I don't know either but I did not have to set that when I last used the script on Mandrake a year ago... That doesn't really say more than I did not have to "set it" through the script back then |
| 18:15.33 | scarynetworkguy | streuner: And no they may not but that doesn't mean it's not a useful tool. |
| 18:15.36 | EvilSporkMan | valdyn: i AM on AMD64 but it doesn't seem like it should be architecture dependent |
| 18:16.27 | streuner | scarynetworkguy: When did i say links2 is NOT a useful tool? |
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| 18:17.31 | scarynetworkguy | streuner: The question " Who use links2 nowdays?" would indicate that you don't think that anybody uses it and would therefore indcicat that you don't think it is a useful tool. |
| 18:17.55 | streuner | scarynetworkguy: haha |
| 18:18.02 | valdyn | EvilSporkMan: your hardware may be broken w/ 2.6.8 even if cdparanoia itself isnt. No idea. |
| 18:18.04 | scarynetworkguy | streuner: In what way is that funny? |
| 18:18.14 | streuner | scarynetworkguy: You 'indicate' too much :-) |
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| 18:19.13 | scarynetworkguy | streuner: Just following the chain of logic. |
| 18:19.22 | mwilson | adaran: I can play it, although it doesn't work very well. |
| 18:19.48 | valdyn | EvilSporkMan: are you using scsi emulation? |
| 18:20.06 | valdyn | EvilSporkMan: or.. did you upgrade from a 2.4.x kernel to this one? |
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| 18:20.50 | EvilSporkMan | valdyn: no, i don't think so - the device is called /dev/hdd (slave drive on 2nd IDE channel), although ide_scsi seems to be loaded. and no, i have not had 2.4 on this box |
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| 18:21.36 | tufsan | hi, I'd need some help with my fstab and yes, I've read the manual |
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| 18:22.06 | Skrot | Hi.. if I download a netinst of sarge now, will it install a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel by default? |
| 18:22.26 | tufsan | fstab help plz? |
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| 18:22.41 | spinwip | hello? |
| 18:22.41 | valdyn | tufsan: complete question plz? |
| 18:22.42 | streuner | Skrot: you can use both, 2.4.x or 2.6.x |
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| 18:22.48 | Skrot | streuner: right, but what is default? |
| 18:22.53 | spinwip | hey i got some questions could someone help me out? |
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| 18:23.02 | valdyn | !tell spinwip about ask |
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| 18:23.14 | streuner | Skrot: well, if you need support for modern hardware go with 2.6.x |
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| 18:23.32 | Skrot | streuner: heh, i know.. i want to know what it boots by default :) |
| 18:23.34 | dogayonv | Hello everyone |
| 18:23.35 | tufsan | ok....I've inserted a couple of hdd's into my fstab....as root I get all access no problem.....but as user it's all locked in nautilus and I can't browse anything there |
| 18:23.36 | EvilSporkMan | valdyn: should i be trying to use SCSI emulation? |
| 18:23.39 | spinwip | srry bout that |
| 18:23.45 | streuner | Skrot: 2.4.x |
| 18:24.02 | streuner | Skrot: option linux26 boot 2.6.x kernel |
| 18:24.02 | Catspaw | Hi there. I've got LILO problems so I'm trying to boot from the installation CD to fix a few problems. From the "boot:" prompt, how would I do this? |
| 18:24.08 | Skrot | streuner: thanks |
| 18:24.11 | valdyn | !wikifaq tufsan Permissions |
| 18:24.12 | dpkg | tufsan: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:24.21 | spinwip | How do i fix my hard drive? it wont boot up or anything it just gives me 07070707070707 |
| 18:24.31 | spinwip | i am using my second hard drive right now to run under knoppix |
| 18:24.36 | streuner | spinwip: lilo? |
| 18:24.48 | spinwip | ? |
| 18:24.56 | tufsan | thx I'm on it |
| 18:24.57 | streuner | spinwip: #knoppix |
| 18:25.00 | dogayonv | mouse works fine in X but not in bash, how do I fix it :) |
| 18:25.11 | tufsan | !wikifaq Permissons |
| 18:25.12 | _terr | I want to change the desktop manager in a sarge/gdm machine. Is there a way to do this via the gui? if not - what do I change? |
| 18:25.15 | spinwip | im using knoppix.. |
| 18:25.20 | spinwip | cuz my windoz is out |
| 18:25.26 | spinwip | because it is on my other drive |
| 18:25.28 | Skrot | streuner: only typing "linux26" and enter should do it, right? |
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| 18:25.29 | spinwip | which dont work |
| 18:25.39 | streuner | Skrot: yes, IIRC |
| 18:25.42 | jesperj | Thank you very much for your help earlier valdyn |
| 18:25.55 | streuner | Skrot: you'll get some infos about just read it |
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| 18:26.08 | Skrot | streuner: I would have, but it's my friend who is installing :> |
| 18:26.35 | streuner | Skrot: well, just say to him he should /join #debian then |
| 18:26.38 | mwilson | spinwip: #knoppix |
| 18:26.53 | spinwip | does the 0707070707 mean that im getting a boot failure or something? |
| 18:27.04 | renzo_ | could someone recomend a ftp command line client to me? |
| 18:27.09 | Skrot | streuner: I will, we're just checking if his NIC will work or not, so i thought I should just ask the question since I was allready on freenode :) |
| 18:27.11 | mwilson | I imagine it means whatever the lilo documentation says it means. |
| 18:27.22 | EvilSporkMan | renzo_: ftp |
| 18:27.31 | streuner | Skrot: what NIC does he have? |
| 18:27.38 | renzo_ | EvilSporkMan: that's not comfortable enough :) |
| 18:27.58 | Skrot | streuner: Onboard on the nForce3 motherboard |
| 18:27.59 | EvilSporkMan | renzo_: it's command-line...what do you expect? maybe look for something using ncurses? |
| 18:28.02 | spinwip | yes but im not running knoppix as a os just from a cd.. |
| 18:28.18 | mwilson | spinwip: How does that mean you're not running it "as an OS"? |
| 18:28.21 | renzo_ | EvilSporkMan: maybe I didn't express my self right, it doesn't have to be commandline it just shouldn't be using X |
| 18:28.22 | EvilSporkMan | Skrot: does his make noise during data transfer as well? |
| 18:28.26 | streuner | Skrot: we need the chipset |
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| 18:28.38 | Skrot | EvilSporkMan: dunno :) |
| 18:28.49 | valdyn | renzo_: mc ( midnight commander ) |
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| 18:28.56 | Skrot | streuner: allright, he's booting with 2.6 now, if it detects his nic everything is cool :9 |
| 18:28.57 | Skrot | :) |
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| 18:29.22 | EvilSporkMan | Skrot: the module for the nforce3 network jazz is forcedeth, so just modprobe that if it doesn't work |
| 18:29.26 | spinwip | how do i whisp |
| 18:29.39 | shimano55 | Question, Is there anyone here that connected to a wireless network on Debian-Sarge that can help me connect to one? |
| 18:29.39 | spinwip | newayz |
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| 18:29.51 | spinwip | my second hard drive has nothing on it.. |
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| 18:30.07 | spinwip | my orig drive has my windoz on it |
| 18:30.14 | spinwip | the orig drive wont boot up |
| 18:30.24 | spinwip | the orig drive isnt plugged in |
| 18:30.27 | EvilSporkMan | spinwip: so what does this have to do with linux? |
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| 18:30.43 | spinwip | was trying to get some help with fixing my drive.. |
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| 18:31.21 | EvilSporkMan | um, are you using lilo on the first drive for some reason? |
| 18:31.25 | mwilson | Gee, I imagine as long as it's not plugged in, it will continue to not boot. |
| 18:31.45 | spinwip | i know that.. |
| 18:31.51 | spinwip | i took it out |
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| 18:31.54 | spinwip | so i could boot up knoppiox |
| 18:31.59 | spinwip | so i could get here |
| 18:32.10 | spinwip | if it leave it plugged in i cant boot knoppix or nething |
| 18:32.12 | EvilSporkMan | spinwip: you could just change the boot order in BIOS |
| 18:32.19 | EvilSporkMan | spinwip: that would probably be less hassle |
| 18:32.30 | spinwip | i wanna fix the other drive tho. |
| 18:32.40 | EvilSporkMan | spinwip: and then, you would have the drive ad knoppix at the same time, and you could try mounting it, and see if you can even read the data |
| 18:32.57 | spinwip | if i have both drives plugged in it gives me a black screen with a command prompt in which i cant type |
| 18:33.05 | spinwip | ah.. |
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| 18:33.22 | shimano55 | anybody? |
| 18:33.22 | Skrot | EvilSporkMan: allright.. was it detected for you when you installed? |
| 18:33.27 | EvilSporkMan | spinwip: if you can't read the data, well, you'll probably have to see if you can even wipe the drive and reuse it |
| 18:33.37 | EvilSporkMan | Skrot: I think so, but i'm on AMD64 |
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| 18:33.44 | Skrot | allright |
| 18:34.07 | EvilSporkMan | time to put the case back on my baby here |
| 18:34.08 | darkwave | I can't boot my debian sarge system anymore, because it seems, that the initrd file has been damaged. I have searched through the debian netinstaller cd and through the debian package repisotory, but I was not able to locate a copy of "initrd.img-2.4.24-1-386" to repair my installation. Does anymone have a clue in which deb package the initrd image is included or else where I can download it? |
| 18:34.15 | shimano55 | join #wireless |
| 18:34.21 | streuner | Skrot: if that doesn't work, just plug a common NIC into an PCI slot |
| 18:34.35 | Skrot | streuner: i know ;) |
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| 18:34.55 | streuner | Skrot: most people don't think about this, that's why i mention it... |
| 18:35.03 | FieldySnuts | [OT] In gimp, what's the difference between crop and resize? |
| 18:35.07 | spinwip | ah.. |
| 18:35.11 | spinwip | i might have to then |
| 18:35.13 | valdyn | !tell darkwave about sdn |
| 18:35.14 | spinwip | no other way to fix it? |
| 18:35.23 | Skrot | streuner: allrighty, I've been around linux and computers long enough to think that far ahead :] |
| 18:35.42 | Hellkat | I have just installed the 2.6.8 kernal, and it doesnt support my ethernet card, i am on 2.4 right now, how do i get my ethernet card to work? |
| 18:36.02 | streuner | Skrot: why do you ask about nforce NIC is supported or not then? |
| 18:36.45 | bozomar | Hellkat: If it works with 2.4 it should also work 2.6 too |
| 18:36.48 | streuner | Hellkat: what NIC do you have (chipset)? |
| 18:36.49 | Skrot | streuner: cause he hasn't got a external NIC, and he wants to try linux. So a working NIC is a good place to start, imo. Atleast when using debian :) |
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| 18:37.02 | Hellkat | its a sony vaio card, i think its a real tec |
| 18:37.04 | Hellkat | h |
| 18:37.23 | Hellkat | i guess they took out support... should i check out the sony site? |
| 18:37.32 | bozomar | Hellkat: Type "lspci" to see |
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| 18:37.34 | Hellkat | on the old kernal or the new one? |
| 18:37.37 | streuner | Skrot: NIC's are cheap nowadays |
| 18:37.48 | streuner | Skrot: 5-10 bucks |
| 18:37.51 | bozomar | Hellkat: Doesn't matter |
| 18:37.53 | Skrot | streuner: yupp |
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| 18:38.03 | Hellkat | 0000:00:12.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 18:38.15 | streuner | !rtl8139 |
| 18:38.16 | dpkg | i guess rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
| 18:38.27 | tufsan | It's me again.....the Permission FAQ was a no go, it didn't work....I'm just looking for the right Fstab options to give users permission to access the FAT32 partitions.....nothing so far has worked |
| 18:38.48 | bozomar | Hellkat: It's one of the most used NICs |
| 18:38.56 | spinwip | where can i get a ftp install for fc3 at? |
| 18:38.59 | Hellkat | hmm |
| 18:39.11 | streuner | spinwip: install debian /msg dpkg d-i |
| 18:39.24 | bozomar | Hellkat: modconf well be easiest way for you i think |
| 18:39.26 | Hellkat | bozomar: i just booted the kernal, and its acting like it doesnt recognise it |
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| 18:39.29 | Hellkat | alright |
| 18:39.31 | groton | is there an official list of server to be used by apt? |
| 18:39.46 | streuner | groton: /msg dpkg mirror(s) |
| 18:39.50 | bozomar | Hellkat: Did you try ifconfig eth0 up? |
| 18:39.59 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 18:39.59 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 18:40.00 | Hellkat | no |
| 18:40.04 | bozomar | Hellkat: Why you think it's not recognized? |
| 18:40.23 | tufsan | Ok, I'll try that |
| 18:40.28 | streuner | groton: apt-setup do that for you auto |
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| 18:40.32 | Hellkat | im not sure, i just booted the new kernal, and it keeps on "discovering the 255.255.255.255 on dirrerent ports" |
| 18:40.53 | Hellkat | and then i cant get online. ill try doing the ifconfig |
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| 18:41.03 | Hellkat | the command is "ifconfig eth0 up"? |
| 18:41.06 | bozomar | Hellkat: What does ifconfig say? |
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| 18:41.36 | Hellkat | Kevin:/home/kevin# ifconfig |
| 18:41.36 | Hellkat | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 08:00:46:BC:C9:9C |
| 18:41.36 | Hellkat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.36 | Hellkat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.36 | Hellkat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:42.10 | FieldySnuts | @lart Hellkat |
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| 18:42.49 | jair_11 | how could I configure my kernel to do this on the acpi? http://pastebin.com/278332 |
| 18:42.58 | darkwave | in which debian package is the initrd image file included? |
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| 18:43.13 | priest | is there a javaruntime in debian that works in firefox? |
| 18:43.18 | jair_11 | this are the intructions but I do not have Idea of how to change that in the kernel using a text editor? |
| 18:43.20 | streuner | darkwave: in every official kernel-image, why? |
| 18:43.30 | jair_11 | priest, yes |
| 18:43.35 | priest | jair_11: which? |
| 18:43.41 | jair_11 | priest, totaly works |
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| 18:44.21 | jair_11 | priest, go to the www.java.com |
| 18:44.38 | priest | jair_11: no..i mean a java runtime in the debian distro? |
| 18:44.39 | jair_11 | donwload the manually install it is a tar. compress file |
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| 18:45.11 | jair_11 | priest, you mean to make firefox watch java web tools, or pages correct? |
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| 18:45.13 | priest | can firefox use kaffe? |
| 18:45.22 | streuner | darkwave: just run 'apt-get --reinstall install kernel-image-2.x.x' |
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| 18:45.42 | tufsan | dpkg: this is crazy, even that didn't work |
| 18:45.42 | dpkg | tufsan: what are you talking about? |
| 18:45.46 | priest | jair_11: yes, to enable java-pages, but an "debian-way" ;) |
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| 18:46.01 | jair_11 | priest, that is what I am talking about then |
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| 18:46.19 | jair_11 | do this on firefox: about:plugins |
| 18:46.20 | tufsan | no go, the partitions wont mount.....not in Nautilus or TuxCommander |
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| 18:46.31 | darkwave | streuner: so the initrd image file is part of the kernel deb package? |
| 18:46.33 | jair_11 | type that in the browser and then press enter |
| 18:46.42 | priest | jair_11: "no plugins" |
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| 18:46.57 | EnterD | when I try to add files to a debian CD and reburn it, ISOLINUX gives me a checksum error when I boot the cd |
| 18:47.12 | EnterD | anyone know why? |
| 18:47.19 | jair_11 | so then you want to make pages available to see in firefox even when they need Java run |
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| 18:47.34 | FieldySnuts | probably because it's expecting a certain md5 (?) and having changed the image, you changed the md5sum |
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| 18:47.38 | FieldySnuts | this is a guess, I am not sure |
| 18:47.41 | EnterD | yeah |
| 18:47.44 | EnterD | thats what i think too |
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| 18:47.50 | EnterD | how can i UPdate the md5 |
| 18:47.52 | EnterD | or turn it off |
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| 18:48.12 | jair_11 | priest, go to this page: http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp and download the manual configuration file |
| 18:48.27 | jair_11 | priest, go to this page: http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp and download the manual configuration file "self-extracted" |
| 18:48.42 | bozomar | EnterD: Last time i get that error was about my CD-RW |
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| 18:48.51 | EnterD | thats not why I am |
| 18:48.54 | EnterD | i altered the cd |
| 18:49.04 | EnterD | and now it has a an altered md5 |
| 18:50.03 | priest | jair_11: do you remeber which file to link in to the firefox plugin directory too? |
| 18:50.06 | streuner | darkwave: no |
| 18:50.27 | jair_11 | priest, yes |
| 18:50.37 | jair_11 | just download the self estracted file first |
| 18:50.44 | jair_11 | priest, just download the self estracted file first |
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| 18:51.11 | darkwave | streuner: well, where can I find it then? |
| 18:51.36 | streuner | darkwave: usually after you install an official kernel in /boot |
| 18:51.52 | bozomar | darkwave: initrd-tools |
| 18:52.11 | _main_ | quit |
| 18:52.53 | FieldySnuts | @fuck sftp for not understanding ~ or * or " |
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| 18:53.24 | darkwave | streuner: I can't boot my debian sarge system anymore, because it seems, that the initrd file in the boot directory has been damaged. I have searched through the debian netinstaller cd and through the debian package repisotory, but I was not able to locate a copy of "initrd.img-2.4.24-1-386" to repair my installation. Does anymone have a clue in which deb package the initrd image is included or else where I can download it? |
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| 18:54.02 | sepski | darkwave, its made by the mkinitrd script |
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| 18:54.27 | colossos | oi |
| 18:54.37 | phaedral | configuring xserver-xfree86, as per "tuning" section of debian reference |
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| 18:54.51 | phaedral | don't know what to enter for video card ram; mfg says it's 128 shared |
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| 18:55.03 | phaedral | clues available? |
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| 18:55.12 | sepski | phaedral, leave it blank, it should figure it out by itself |
| 18:55.17 | streuner | darkwave: use a resuce boot floppy or CD which support your NIC, chroot it and run 'apt-get --reinstall install kernel-image-2.4.x' |
| 18:55.19 | phaedral | sepski: thx |
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| 18:56.06 | groton | streuner: i used apt-setup to retrieve the apt servers, but it seems i havent a resolver or a DNS ip address set in my linux box. |
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| 18:56.19 | streuner | darkwave: s/resuce/rescue/ |
| 18:56.20 | darkwave | @streuner: Thank you. I will try tis solution! |
| 18:56.23 | joe666 | !sid faq joe666 |
| 18:56.40 | streuner | darkwave: don't forget to run the bootloader without errors |
| 18:56.53 | Filosofem | Hey. I just compiled a new kernel and it seems like it misses some things. |
| 18:57.03 | streuner | groton: DHCP? |
| 18:57.09 | Filosofem | First, my network card is found, but dhclient isn't starting. |
| 18:57.12 | darkwave | @streuner: I use grub |
| 18:57.16 | Filosofem | Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 18:57.41 | streuner | darkwave: you don't use '@' in IRC |
| 18:57.48 | streuner | to adress people |
| 18:58.07 | FieldySnuts | unless you do @lart streuner |
| 18:58.14 | darkwave | streuner: sorry ;-) |
| 18:58.17 | streuner | :-) |
| 18:59.07 | groton | streuner: i do not really how to setup that. im reading the HOW-TO Network. |
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| 18:59.32 | dna | what can convert .mp3s to .ogg files? |
| 18:59.32 | streuner | groton: again do you use DHCP? |
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| 18:59.43 | nL | hi |
| 18:59.43 | darkwave | streuner: thank you very much and bye. |
| 18:59.44 | gravity | dna: You probably don't want to do that |
| 18:59.45 | streuner | dna: mp3 to wav, wav to ogg |
| 18:59.46 | mwilson | dna: Why would you want to do something stupid like that? |
| 18:59.55 | streuner | dna: but that's not that clever |
| 19:00.02 | FieldySnuts | dna: convert them to wav, wav to ogg. the problem is mp3 is more lossy than ogg, so you will actually further lose a bit of quality. |
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| 19:00.07 | groton | streuner: no |
| 19:00.11 | nL | i got a big problem with my network configuration |
| 19:00.22 | dna | ok I will just not use mp3s |
| 19:00.25 | streuner | groton: so you are connected over hardware-router to i-net? |
| 19:00.25 | dna | they will all get deleted |
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| 19:00.33 | dna | heheh ethank you |
| 19:01.17 | groton | streuner: im have a local lan of two machines, a linux and a windows box. the windows box has an ADSL USB modem. the two computers are connected together by an eth cable. their IP address has been set fixed by me (192.168.0.1/2). |
| 19:01.26 | gravity | nL: Just ask your question. If someone can help you, they will |
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| 19:01.38 | shimano55 | Question, DOes anyone know if Debian-Sarge comes with a Network connection Manager...where you can edit/configure a network connect in a GUI? |
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| 19:01.48 | phaedral | mfg doesn't give me h-sync or v-refresh rates; am trying to get something better than an 800x600 display; am I screwed? |
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| 19:01.56 | gravity | shimano55: There's a few things in sarge that will allow that |
| 19:01.58 | nL | after installation 1 of my 2 network cards was detected an successfully configured (dhcp client) but after the next reboot it didnt work again!! |
| 19:01.59 | streuner | groton: x |
| 19:02.02 | bozomar | shimano55: etherconf fine |
| 19:02.05 | horus | hi |
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| 19:02.17 | streuner | groton: why not use debian as a router? |
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| 19:02.37 | bozomar | streuner: USB modem |
| 19:02.40 | streuner | groton: plug the USB modem to your debian box and install ipmasq |
| 19:02.46 | Xenguy | dna: I see this tool -> mp32ogg |
| 19:02.47 | groton | streuner: many problems would arise. the linux comp has 2 unusable USB 1.2, the modem has not a linux driver i guess. |
| 19:02.49 | bolimbii | how can i configure my box for non-root users to be able to mount/umount drives? |
| 19:02.53 | nL | an its says network configuration [fail] on boot |
| 19:03.00 | Xenguy | dna: I have no experience with it at all tho |
| 19:03.04 | streuner | groton: what USB modem do you have? |
| 19:03.06 | bozomar | streuner: Do USB modems work with Debian? |
| 19:03.11 | streuner | some |
| 19:03.17 | groton | streuner: Aethra starmodem |
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| 19:04.05 | groton | streuner: the connection to internet by the linux machine works fine, it is just that i have to provide all numerical IP addresses :) |
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| 19:04.48 | groton | streuner: i could set in /etc/apt/source.list a server with its numerical IP address for now. then i will try to get DNS work on the linux box too. |
| 19:04.50 | gravity | nL: What sort of connection do you have to your network? |
| 19:05.16 | nL | Realtek RTL8139-Familie-PCI-Fast Ethernet-NIC |
| 19:05.31 | nL | and a surecom epx320-r i think |
| 19:05.47 | nL | but lspci detects the realtek card 2 times |
| 19:05.51 | gravity | nL: I mean do you need pppoe? Just dhcp? Static IP? |
| 19:06.01 | nL | dhcp client |
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| 19:06.02 | streuner | groton: google for your USB modem debian driver |
| 19:06.14 | shimano55 | Question, What command do I use to start etherconf? |
| 19:06.22 | nL | i'm hanging on a dhcp server |
| 19:06.27 | gravity | nL: Ok. Install discover first. It should load the correct module for your ethernet card. |
| 19:06.35 | bozomar | shimano55: etherconf |
| 19:06.52 | nL | gravity: apt-get install discover ? |
| 19:06.56 | gravity | nL: Then check out /etc/network/interfaces and read "man interfaces" to make sure you're set up for dhcp. It should be pretty simple. |
| 19:07.00 | gravity | nL: Yes |
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| 19:07.14 | nL | gravity: apt-get needs internet connection :) |
| 19:07.16 | shimano55 | bozomar, that didn't work |
| 19:07.23 | steve_ | hey i just downloaded the sun sdk. its in a *.bin format. how do i run that? |
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| 19:07.25 | groton | streuner: with this configuration, if the computer with the modem attached is off, then the inet connection will be down too. I prefer to let my modem attached to the Windows machine for now. In the future i could change this configuration though. |
| 19:07.29 | bozomar | shimano55: Did you install etherconf? |
| 19:07.55 | gravity | nL: Right. Duh. Ok... you need to make sure your ethernet driver is loaded. Google around to find the right module to load and use modprobe to load it. |
| 19:07.56 | steve_ | hey i just downloaded the sun sdk. its in a *.bin format. how do i run that? |
| 19:08.03 | shimano55 | bozomar, ya..with Synaptic |
| 19:08.06 | romey | steve_: sh *.bin |
| 19:08.13 | steve_ | d'oh! |
| 19:08.16 | steve_ | thanks |
| 19:08.18 | valdyn | !tell steve_ about java-package |
| 19:08.20 | romey | np |
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| 19:08.28 | bozomar | shimano55: Are you trying as root? |
| 19:08.28 | Ferret | steve_: One person joined since the last time you asked, did you ask again because they missed it? |
| 19:08.35 | nL | gravity: ok, but i wonder why everything worked 1st time after installation ;) |
| 19:08.48 | gravity | nL: I honestly don't know why. It could be a for a few reasons. |
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| 19:08.59 | Hellkat | I am running the 2.4 kernal, and i have a linksys wireless pc-card, is there a specific driver that i need to get? can i apt-get it? |
| 19:09.03 | shimano55 | bozomar, Ya su - |
| 19:09.06 | shimano55 | than pass |
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| 19:09.10 | shimano55 | and than etherconf |
| 19:09.11 | Phurl | hi all |
| 19:09.17 | steve_ | ferret- eh- slip of the keys |
| 19:09.22 | steve_ | hit the up arrow |
| 19:09.22 | shimano55 | bozomar, -su: etherconf: command not found |
| 19:09.24 | steve_ | d'oh |
| 19:09.37 | streuner | groton: Are you too special to search for 'your USB modem debian driver' in groups.google.com? |
| 19:09.38 | phaedral | exit |
| 19:09.51 | bozomar | shimano55: First become root and then run etherconf |
| 19:09.52 | steve_ | i'm new to this "console" thang |
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| 19:10.08 | shimano55 | bozomar, What do u mean? |
| 19:10.08 | ckloot | exit |
| 19:10.23 | EnterD | After I add or change files in the debian ISO, anyone know how to re do the m5 checksums so ISO linux doesnt error out? |
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| 19:10.56 | groton | streuner: dont get upset, but i do not want to attach the modem to the linux comp yet :) |
| 19:11.07 | bozomar | shimano55: As i understand you give command: su etherconf ? |
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| 19:11.24 | shimano55 | no |
| 19:11.31 | shimano55 | I gave su - <enter> |
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| 19:11.35 | shimano55 | enter pass |
| 19:11.40 | shimano55 | <enter> |
| 19:11.44 | shimano55 | and than etherconf |
| 19:11.59 | streuner | groton: iam not upset, but maybe someone else if s(he) doesn't can use DNS as every normal i-net user ;-) |
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| 19:12.00 | bozomar | shimano55: run dpkg -l etherconf and see if it's installed |
| 19:12.15 | Xenguy | dna: see http://www.vorbis.com/faq.psp#transcode for further details |
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| 19:12.46 | groton | streuner: you are right :) yes |
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| 19:13.01 | nL | gravity: can i query you? |
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| 19:13.35 | madclicker | how do i reconfigure a package? |
| 19:13.36 | Phurl | &part |
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| 19:13.48 | bozomar | madclicker: dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 19:13.53 | madclicker | thx |
| 19:14.19 | Xenguy | dna: I'm going to try a test now to see if I can detect any degradation of sound quality |
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| 19:14.59 | aaryal | anyone know what's happened to PyKDE? |
| 19:15.03 | gravity | nL: No, not right now |
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| 19:16.53 | Thanatermesis | what are exactly a .udeb file ? |
| 19:16.55 | nL | gravity: ok i found something: if your kernel supports RTL8139 series ... modprobe RTL8139 ... ifconfig eth0 up |
| 19:16.57 | Thanatermesis | udeb = deb ? |
| 19:17.12 | streuner | !udeb |
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| 19:17.13 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 19:17.14 | gravity | nL: Your kernel should support it. Debian's kernels have just about every module enabled |
| 19:17.46 | nL | gravity: so all i need is to modprobe this module? how can i automatically load the module? |
| 19:17.56 | gravity | nL: Add it to /etc/modules |
| 19:18.42 | nL | gravity: the document says i should add this line: alias eth0 rtl8139 |
| 19:18.58 | Hellkat | could someone assist me in configuring my wpc11 card? |
| 19:18.59 | gravity | nL: To what file? |
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| 19:19.10 | nL | gravity: /etc/conf.modules |
| 19:19.30 | gravity | nL: That's not right for Debian. That sounds like a redhat thing. |
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| 19:19.46 | gravity | nL: Just add the name of the module to /etc/modules and it'll autoload on boot |
| 19:20.17 | nL | gravity: ok i'll try it and will come back in a few minutes :) THANX |
| 19:20.24 | gravity | nL: Good luck |
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| 19:21.46 | Anthro | I am having a LILO issue. Or maybe it's a BIOS issue. Not sure. Anyhow, I have a machine that boots just fine, normally. I just put an Adaptec SCSI card into it and plugged into that an 8-disk RAID. As the BIOS is preparing to boot, it seems to think that SCSI ID 0 should be labeled C: and 1 should be labeled D:. This appears to confuse LILO, because it complains about multiple drives with the same label. I can boot from a Knoppix CD wit |
| 19:21.46 | Anthro | hout difficulty, however. Any thoughts? |
| 19:21.55 | gdub | away |
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| 19:22.49 | groton | streuner: i got the dns working on the linux box. it has been easy: i just added to resolv.conf a line such as: "nameserver 192.168.0.1" where this IP address is the Windows machine |
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| 19:23.37 | fortran01 | I am not sure if I am using a public IP, how can I test? |
| 19:23.42 | phaedral | looking for a clue about lcd v. crt values to enter for x configuration; |
| 19:23.50 | phaedral | point me to a faq or howto? |
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| 19:24.27 | groton | phaedral: if you know the resolution you want, search for that on google (e.g. "1920 1200") |
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| 19:24.41 | bozomar | fortran01: whatismyip.com |
| 19:24.44 | phaedral | roget groton; thankx |
| 19:24.56 | Kerr | anyone know of a package that can strip the vocals from an mp3? |
| 19:25.06 | groton | phaedral: i did that, and i found a x cofnig file, i copied the parameters, and it worked :) |
| 19:25.13 | Anthro | Kerr: xmms has a karaoke plugin. |
| 19:25.25 | ngaylinn | Anyone know how to make an IceWM programs menu from Debian menu list? I installed Ice from source, and I can't find an appropriate menu-method. |
| 19:25.27 | phaedral | rockin |
| 19:25.44 | fortran01 | thanks bozomar |
| 19:25.52 | Kerr | i mean asin; strip, so i can save a version of the file without vocals.. not just play it without them. :-/ |
| 19:25.58 | Thanatermesis | what are exactly a .udeb file ? |
| 19:26.11 | phaedral | top result, not only a config file, but opens "BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION" |
| 19:26.15 | mwilson | ngaylinn: The one that comes with the Debian icewm package is inappropriate, of course. |
| 19:26.18 | phaedral | what else could I ask for? |
| 19:26.19 | streuner | Thanatermesis: /msg dpkg udeb |
| 19:26.20 | phaedral | ;) |
| 19:26.29 | Thanatermesis | oks |
| 19:26.51 | ngaylinn | mwilson: But I installed icewm from source :) How can I get at just that one file and how can I install it if I don't have root permissions? |
| 19:26.52 | gravity | ngaylinn: Download the icewm debian package source and look in the debian directory of the source tree. The menu method will be in there. |
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| 19:27.15 | gravity | ngaylinn: You'll want to read the menu manual to figure out how to generate the menu without root permissions. That might be hard. |
| 19:27.33 | gravity | ngaylinn: (menu being the Debian "menu" package) |
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| 19:27.51 | nico8481 | hello |
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| 19:28.20 | rectum | back |
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| 19:28.57 | vercetti | uhm, can anyone point me out an application to change my partition table and create a new partition without formatting this one? |
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| 19:29.12 | nL | gravity: heelooo :) |
| 19:29.13 | gravity | vercetti: parted and one of its various frontends |
| 19:29.18 | gravity | nL: Any luck? |
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| 19:29.30 | khanman | how do i set the default font size for non-KDE tools? im running a KDE desktop @ 1600x1280 and tools like mozilla etc. open with a tiny assed font |
| 19:29.39 | nL | gravity: im runnig konversation on kubuntu :) |
| 19:29.51 | khanman | ~/.fonts.conf ? |
| 19:30.01 | tarzeau | khanman: no |
| 19:30.05 | tarzeau | khanman: check the tool |
| 19:30.09 | gravity | nL: If you have Ubuntu questions, you need to be asking them in #ubuntu from now on. |
| 19:30.15 | tarzeau | khanman: it depends on what the tool are based o n |
| 19:30.34 | tarzeau | nL: or use Debian again |
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| 19:30.39 | khanman | tarzeau, alot of tools dont have prefs to save fonts in |
| 19:30.42 | nL | gravity: ubuntu is based on debian |
| 19:30.48 | tarzeau | khanman: the tools problem |
| 19:30.49 | khanman | like gaim and mozilla |
| 19:31.00 | tarzeau | khanman: alot of tools suck majorly then |
| 19:31.00 | gravity | nL: It doesn't matter. I'm glad you got your network working, but #ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 19:31.05 | khanman | tarzeau, so there is no way around this? |
| 19:31.09 | tarzeau | khanman: gaim and mozilla suck |
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| 19:31.14 | tarzeau | khanman: no, don't use them |
| 19:31.18 | khanman | hah |
| 19:31.20 | khanman | tnx |
| 19:31.29 | jesperj | ls *.jpg lists foo_10.jpg before foo_.jpg. How can I make it list in order _1,_2,_3..._10,_11... |
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| 19:31.53 | tarzeau | jesperj: there's sort |
| 19:31.56 | gravity | nL: Ubuntu changes Debian in ways we don't know about. That's why it's frustrating to diagnose problems with it |
| 19:32.03 | hever | hello there I'Ve got a problem with starting my apache: It tolds me: You may still have some apache2 processes running. There are processes named 'apache2' which do not match your pid file. What could I do now? |
| 19:32.08 | nL | gravity: i know, but i didnt got help in kubuntu/ubuntu chan so i thought i should try it here :) and my questions arent that distribution specific |
| 19:32.11 | gravity | nL: It also gets frustrating explaining this to every single ubuntu user who comes in |
| 19:32.20 | jesperj | ty |
| 19:32.28 | PhUrl | dear fellow users, i am having problems with xfs |
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| 19:32.35 | tarzeau | gravity: thank you |
| 19:32.43 | tarzeau | PhUrl: do you have debian? |
| 19:32.43 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
| 19:32.43 | PhUrl | it is going to 99% of the cpu time in user space |
| 19:32.45 | nL | gravity: an now i've got to tank you again :) |
| 19:32.48 | PhUrl | on debian |
| 19:32.48 | fortran01 | do you have a hint how my shell provider would possibly block IPs and allow the range I give, using iptables? |
| 19:33.01 | tarzeau | PhUrl: are you sure it's not just a derivative of debian? |
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| 19:33.27 | tarzeau | fortran01: no , how would we? are we your shell provider? who is it? |
| 19:33.30 | gravity | I wonder if we're actually going to see a drop in debian-derivative users wandering in here for help once sarge releases |
| 19:33.33 | gravity | I really hope so |
| 19:33.37 | mlalkaka | what is a tmpfs (/dev/shm) used for and what is a swap partition used for? |
| 19:33.49 | PhUrl | tareau, yes |
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| 19:33.57 | PhUrl | i am sure it is debian |
| 19:34.00 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: i've used tmpfs on read-only media to be able to write stuff |
| 19:34.10 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: swap partition is faster than swap file |
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| 19:34.16 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: if you don't have enough real memory |
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| 19:34.37 | tarzeau | PhUrl: why do you need xfs? |
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| 19:35.07 | PhUrl | |
| 19:35.15 | PhUrl | good question tarzeau |
| 19:35.19 | PhUrl | i dont know that i need it. |
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| 19:35.30 | fortran01 | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 19:35.54 | PhUrl | i will remove it and see if x still workds |
| 19:35.56 | mlalkaka | tarzeau, on my system, i have a 125 MB tmpfs at /dev/shm and a 783 MB swap partition. but according to gnome-system-monitor, only 776 KB of my swap partition is being used and 0 B of my tmpfs is being used. |
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| 19:36.24 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: shm sounds like shared memory. and gnome-system-monitor (are you sure it's not buggy?) |
| 19:36.31 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: what says free -m |
| 19:36.38 | PhUrl | i think that the xwindowsytem installed it |
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| 19:37.27 | bozomar | PhUrl: It's font server |
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| 19:37.42 | sepski | PhUrl, and you have ofcouse done the regular troubleshooting ? restarting the xfs server, reinstalling it etc etce tc |
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| 19:37.54 | Hyde | has anyone ever heard of this problem, i can't submit forms, i can visit pages but anything that requires submitting something won't work, i've tried 2 different browsers and several websites |
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| 19:38.07 | tarzeau | Hyde: why browsers? |
| 19:38.14 | tarzeau | Hyde: some people can't write html |
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| 19:38.20 | Groundy | help, i broke bash - it's just segfaulting now |
| 19:38.25 | mlalkaka | `free -m` says my total Swap is 782 and used Swap is 0 and free Swap is 781. so i'm using less than 1 MB of Swap |
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| 19:38.36 | Hyde | tarzeau, what do you mean |
| 19:38.46 | hever | hello there I'Ve got a problem with starting my apache: It tolds me: You may still have some apache2 processes running. There are processes named 'apache2' which do not match your pid file. What could I do now? |
| 19:39.01 | Groundy | wtf? bash is working again! |
| 19:39.06 | devserve | Groundy: how did you break it? why is it segfaulting? |
| 19:39.10 | tarzeau | Hyde: url? maybe the forms are broken |
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| 19:39.17 | bozomar | hever: ps aux | grep apache |
| 19:39.20 | Groundy | devserve: um i was doing some apt installing |
| 19:39.27 | Hyde | there not, i can with another computer |
| 19:39.29 | Groundy | devserve: and a package install failed with a segfault |
| 19:39.36 | sepski | hever, killall apache2 |
| 19:39.44 | devserve | what package? |
| 19:39.48 | Groundy | devserve: so i tested stuff, and sure enough bash was segfaulting |
| 19:40.05 | hever | bozomar, root 681 0.0 0.0 1536 456 pts/0 R+ 21:36 0:00 grep apache |
| 19:40.07 | Groundy | devserve: and now it's -just working- again |
| 19:40.15 | devserve | what package? |
| 19:40.15 | Groundy | devserve: i tried to install alien |
| 19:40.17 | hever | sepski, apache2: no process killed |
| 19:40.28 | Fo | hever : /etc/ini.d -> check if your apache2 dont start at boot |
| 19:40.31 | devserve | what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:40.42 | Fo | hever : ps aux | grep httpd |
| 19:40.53 | PhUrl | ok it is back |
| 19:40.55 | PhUrl | thanks al |
| 19:40.59 | Groundy | devserver: testing |
| 19:41.05 | Levander | s there any cvs command to see what files I have changed in my working copy? |
| 19:41.05 | PhUrl | thanks tarzeay |
| 19:41.09 | Levander | is there* |
| 19:41.18 | hever | Fo: root 691 0.0 0.0 1536 456 pts/0 R+ 21:37 0:00 grep httpd |
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| 19:41.27 | devserve | are you installing anything from other debian versions? |
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| 19:41.34 | Groundy | devserve |
| 19:41.34 | gravity | grr... OO.o really needs to not get in my face when autosaving changes. |
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| 19:41.40 | hever | Fo: apache2 should start at boot |
| 19:41.49 | Groundy | devserve: only jabberd2 from experimental |
| 19:42.14 | Groundy | devserve: so i have both sources, and have pins to make sure experimental is NOT installed |
| 19:42.16 | phanter | Hi, my Kile is complaining about "fancyhdr.sty not found". I knew how to install styles in Windows, but how do I install them in Linux? |
| 19:42.26 | Groundy | devserve: and i check that it's not installing stuff like libc |
| 19:42.44 | mlalkaka | tarzeau, `free -m` says my total Swap is 782 and used Swap is 0 and free Swap is 781. so i'm using less than 1 MB of Swap |
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| 19:42.51 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: i'm not blind |
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| 19:42.51 | devserve | hmm, so bash was segfaulting when you did what? |
| 19:43.10 | Groundy | devserve: alien wanted rpm too, so it downloaded and installed both, then it segfaulted |
| 19:43.11 | Fo | hever : yes if you want to, but if your apache said that there are some processes named 'apache2' - hmm, weird, look at all ps aux list |
| 19:43.19 | hever | " /etc/init.d/apache2 stop" >>> "Stopping web server: Apache2 ... failed!" "You may still have some apache2 processes running. There are" "processes named 'apache2' which do not match your pid file," "and in the name of safety, we've left them alone. Please review" "the situation by hand." |
| 19:43.19 | mlalkaka | tarzeau, lol sorry i didn't mean that |
| 19:43.20 | Groundy | devserve: during dpkg-configure --apt |
| 19:43.20 | bozomar | hever: What does /etc/init.d/apache2 stop say? |
| 19:43.31 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: but certainly i can see the difference of a question and a statement |
| 19:43.43 | hever | bozomar, it occours the error |
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| 19:43.52 | Kerr | hmm.. |
| 19:43.54 | bozomar | hever: lsof | grep apache |
| 19:44.04 | devserve | dpkg-configure? dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 19:44.21 | tarzeau | devserve: first one doesn't exist |
| 19:44.22 | hever | bozomar, it gives nothing back |
| 19:44.30 | mlalkaka | tarzeau, oh. i guess i'm just confused as to what a tmpfs is used for and what a swap partition is used for; and why is mine not being used? |
| 19:44.51 | devserve | what's --apt? |
| 19:44.53 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: because you have enough memory. and you shouldn't care if you don't know |
| 19:45.25 | Groundy | devserve: it yea reconfigure |
| 19:45.28 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: are you bored? want to play some games? |
| 19:45.36 | mlalkaka | tarzeau, sure |
| 19:45.45 | mlalkaka | tarzeau, lol. |
| 19:45.50 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: apt-get install jumpnbump supertux nethack |
| 19:45.53 | Groundy | devserve: i assume --apt put it into a 'this-is-apt-speaking' mode |
| 19:46.04 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: then get gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mog/ and gnu.ethz.ch/debian/supertransball2/ |
| 19:46.12 | hever | What could I do now ??? |
| 19:46.17 | bozomar | hever: Have a look at your apache log files, may be you can find something could be useful |
| 19:46.23 | Kerr | i get: 'could not open dev/sequencer' when i try to opren a midi file. what am i doing wrong? |
| 19:46.32 | tarzeau | Kerr: using what software? |
| 19:46.36 | Fo | hever : ps aux -> check list of procesess, and if theres really no apache2 or httpd - ahmm, do you have anything elese running on port 80 ? and check the logs of apache ! |
| 19:46.41 | Kerr | kmidi, i think. |
| 19:46.42 | tarzeau | Kerr: are you in the group of ls -l /dev/sequencer ? |
| 19:46.48 | daffy-pkf | echo $( repeat 30 echo $(dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1 count=1 2>/dev/null | hexdump -d ) | cut -d' ' -f2) always give me the same result, how can i do so that "dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1 count=1 2>/dev/null | hexdump -d " is calculated each time? |
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| 19:47.08 | tarzeau | Kerr: which kernel/version? |
| 19:47.14 | Groundy | daffy-pkf: escape the $( |
| 19:47.17 | hever | Fo: In the error log there is just the last shutdown |
| 19:47.21 | Kerr | ls: /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory |
| 19:47.38 | Kerr | 2.6.8-2-386, sarge. |
| 19:47.40 | mlalkaka | tarzeau, so swap partition is used only if i run low on ram. but what about tmpfs? and what is virtual memory then? |
| 19:47.42 | fortran01 | How is this address in P-t-P used? ifconfig output: http://rafb.net/paste/results/mvgLU069.html |
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| 19:48.02 | daffy-pkf | Groundy> what? |
| 19:48.03 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: why do you even care? |
| 19:48.04 | phaedral | if i just rsync my mini-tower's /home/me to my laptop's /home/me i'm gonna clobber stuff, aren't I.. |
| 19:48.09 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: if you're too lazy to find out? |
| 19:48.11 | hever | And its nothing running on port 80 |
| 19:48.19 | xolot1 | Can anyone give me a few pointers on this please? I'm trying to run mysqladmin and it keeps giving me this error: |
| 19:48.20 | xolot1 | mysqladmin: relocation error: /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 19:48.20 | xolot1 | I've tried looking for upgradeable gcc / etc packages, but there isn't anything. tried re-installing the package too. Not terribly familiar with Debian, GCC, or MySQL so any help would be appreciated |
| 19:48.21 | daffy-pkf | Groundy> sorry i'm nearly a noob concerning shell script... |
| 19:48.27 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: do you think they write documentation for fun? |
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| 19:48.35 | mlalkaka | tarzeau, no i'm trying to find an answer at tldp.org |
| 19:48.36 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: get your kernel source and read Documentation/ |
| 19:48.42 | Groundy | daffy-pkf: what's repeat .. my bash doesn't like it :-) |
| 19:48.45 | tarzeau | mlalkaka: wrong place probably |
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| 19:48.58 | daffy-pkf | Groundy> really? |
| 19:49.05 | Groundy | devserve: hrmuph, bash seems to be okay now. it was possibly a low-memory issue |
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| 19:49.32 | Groundy | daffy-pkf: what script language are you using? |
| 19:49.32 | daffy-pkf | Groundy> reapeat only reapeat the thing i think (it'not me who wrote this line, i try to help a friend) |
| 19:49.49 | Fo | hever : hmm, and, /var/log/syslog - look in it, maybe there is something |
| 19:49.49 | idnar | Groundy: hey, fancy meeting you here |
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| 19:50.05 | tarzeau | some german tv advertisement spots are so lousy! |
| 19:50.09 | Groundy | lo idnar |
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| 19:50.51 | daffy-pkf | Groundy> hmmm, i just saw that mine doesn't like it too, i'll need to ask it to y friend |
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| 19:51.05 | Fo | hever : if there is no satisfaying information about this mess, so i would recompile/reconfigure whateva your apache with is not starting, and if it not gonna help, maybe try to reboot ? |
| 19:51.30 | cbr | is there a gtk2-engines-pixmap for debian? |
| 19:51.34 | daffy-pkf | Groundy> nevermind for now, i'll check it later, thanks anyway |
| 19:51.55 | tarzeau | cbr: probably. |
| 19:52.04 | tarzeau | cbr: do you know apt-cache search ? |
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| 19:52.16 | nico8481 | i'm considering to buy a laptop, which one would you advise me to get to run linux on it? |
| 19:52.21 | cbr | tarzeau: it's not there |
| 19:52.24 | Groundy | daffy-pkf: basically you have to escape the inner substitution so it's evaluated each time |
| 19:52.34 | cbr | there is only the gtk+1 version |
| 19:53.01 | daffy-pkf | Groundy> yes that's what i thought too, but how? |
| 19:53.02 | tarzeau | cbr: apt-cache search gtk pixmap engine |
| 19:53.28 | devserve | nico8481: look at laptop howto |
| 19:53.36 | cbr | i know how to search in apt |
| 19:53.46 | cbr | and there is no pixmap engine for gtk2 |
| 19:54.01 | tarzeau | cbr: there is a gtk2 qtpixmap engine |
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| 19:54.13 | cbr | uhm.. ou think that's the same? |
| 19:54.17 | cbr | *you |
| 19:54.18 | anto9us | nico8481: see http://linux-laptop.net/ |
| 19:54.19 | tarzeau | cbr: no idea |
| 19:54.28 | tarzeau | cbr: certainly it's similar |
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| 19:55.43 | Filosofem | Anyone know the requirements, about the kernel, in order for "DHCP" to work? |
| 19:56.14 | tarzeau | Filosofem: which kernel? |
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| 19:57.09 | Fo | how can i check if my kernel has a iptables support ? i mean, if I be able to insmod some necessery modules ? |
| 19:57.20 | tarzeau | Fo: if uname -a says 2.4 something |
| 19:57.32 | devserve | Fo: look in /boot there should be the config file |
| 19:57.45 | tarzeau | devserve: i'm sure he knows that, when he built his own kernel |
| 19:57.55 | tarzeau | devserve: otherwise (debian kernel) it has it in |
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| 19:58.17 | Glanzmann | Damn it. What was the name of the command line debian bug reporting tool? |
| 19:58.29 | caphuso | reportbug |
| 19:58.36 | Glanzmann | Thnaks |
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| 19:58.38 | devserve | tarzeau: if he did, why would he be asking here? he could just look thru the file |
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| 19:58.58 | Fo | CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK=m :]]] |
| 19:58.59 | Filosofem | Tarzeau: Well, I am trying to compile a kernel, but it seems that considering the options I put in it, DHCP doesn't start, although it works, with Debian's basic kernels. |
| 19:59.57 | jharrison | Filosofem: what does compiling a kernel and DHCP have to do with each other? |
| 20:00.08 | nico8481 | devserve, anto9us : of course, but the ones I see in stores are not in all those lists, looks like they only contain old models |
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| 20:00.15 | Filosofem | Jharrison: That's what I am trying to figure. |
| 20:00.20 | xolot1 | Can anyone give me a few pointers on this please? I'm trying to run mysqladmin and it keeps giving me this error: |
| 20:00.23 | xolot1 | mysqladmin: relocation error: /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 20:00.26 | xolot1 | I've tried looking for upgradeable gcc / etc packages, but there isn't anything. tried re-installing the package too. Not terribly familiar with Debian, GCC, or MySQL so any help would be appreciated |
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| 20:00.33 | cbr | ah |
| 20:00.37 | Filosofem | Jharrison: With Debian "compact"'s kernel, DHCP work. |
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| 20:00.39 | cbr | it's called pixbuf under debian |
| 20:00.40 | cbr | not pixmap |
| 20:00.44 | jharrison | Filosofem: all you need is for your kernel to be configured to support your network hardware so that networking works |
| 20:00.54 | jharrison | Filosofem: dhcp is a service that runs as a part of the OS |
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| 20:01.02 | devserve | xolot1: seems like you're using binaries not meant for your machine |
| 20:01.03 | tarzeau | cbr: and what is that good for? |
| 20:01.05 | anto9us | no, mine is listed there nico8481 and mine is a new model |
| 20:01.18 | Filosofem | Jharrison: With the kernel I just compiled, my network card is found, but it doesn't start. |
| 20:01.22 | nico8481 | anto9us, which one is it? |
| 20:01.28 | Filosofem | Jharrison: I just don't understand. |
| 20:01.32 | jharrison | Filosofem: do you have networking? |
| 20:01.36 | Filosofem | Jharrison: Yes. |
| 20:01.40 | Filosofem | Jharrison: TCP/IP. |
| 20:01.42 | jharrison | Filosofem: so it does start |
| 20:01.44 | anto9us | Dell Inspiron 9100 |
| 20:01.52 | cbr | tarzeau: for certain gtk+2 themes to work!? |
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| 20:02.01 | tarzeau | cbr: which ? screenshot ? |
| 20:02.04 | Filosofem | Jharrison: Just compiled a new one, I'll try it now. |
| 20:02.09 | jharrison | Filosofem: if you do lsmod you should see the module for your card unless support is built into your kernel |
| 20:02.14 | anto9us | nico8481: this is more of a luggable desktop than a laptop though :) |
| 20:02.18 | cbr | there are lots |
| 20:02.22 | cbr | gnome-look.org |
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| 20:03.31 | nico8481 | anto9us, ah.. i don't think i've seen any Dell over here... |
| 20:03.38 | deadcat | funny. fbgrab creates transparent images. |
| 20:03.43 | nico8481 | i've seen Acer, Toshiba, HP... |
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| 20:04.23 | anto9us | nico8481: I ordered mine from their website, I don't think they sell through the shops |
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| 20:05.09 | Groundy | how can i check if a random .o file (kernel module) will safely load into the kernel? -n i'm guessing? |
| 20:05.28 | nico8481 | HP Pavilion DV4057EA seems to be good, but from what i can read on intel's website centrino doesn't work on linux :( |
| 20:05.49 | nico8481 | http://support.intel.com/support/notebook/centrino/sb/CS-009882.htm |
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| 20:06.10 | thingfish | I seem to see/hear a lot of good things about IBM Thinkpads and linux, nico8481. |
| 20:06.18 | devserve | so get a p4 |
| 20:06.19 | anto9us | nico8481: that may be just the wireless component, I don't know |
| 20:06.24 | devserve | or get a ppc |
| 20:06.43 | jez | Can anybody suggest why my gamma is being set really low when I run glxgears? I have to reset it manually afterwards - it doesn't go back to normal when I exit. |
| 20:06.56 | Fo | anybody know when sarge will be 'stable' ? |
| 20:07.06 | nico8481 | anto9us, i think the power saving features don't work either |
| 20:07.09 | devserve | oh boy here we go |
| 20:07.35 | nico8481 | thingfish, yes me too... too bad they are horrible and overpriced :( |
| 20:07.39 | anto9us | nico8481: yeah, power management is very iffy under linux |
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| 20:07.48 | nico8481 | hmm :( |
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| 20:08.16 | devserve | Fo: sometime after 1:07 pm today |
| 20:08.30 | nico8481 | well i'm not talking about ACPI but the centrino technology's build-in power features |
| 20:08.45 | anto9us | I did get suspend to RAM working on this but not since I installed debian, I have had higher priorities though and will take a look at that again |
| 20:08.47 | shimano55 | bozomar, ok...back.. |
| 20:08.49 | Fo | devserve : really ? can you give me some url? |
| 20:08.51 | GarySaved | I was checking my repositories, and only have 'main contrib non-free' listed. Should there be others? |
| 20:08.56 | nico8481 | (if i'm not mistaken) |
| 20:09.11 | GSH-Alex^BNC | ssh: received disconnect too many authentication failures for user ... how can i reset this counter ? |
| 20:09.12 | devserve | Fo: could be a minute after... could be ten years after... |
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| 20:09.36 | bozomar | shimano55: So...? |
| 20:09.39 | devserve | more likely, it will be sometime inbetween |
| 20:09.40 | Fo | devserve : ahh, sarkazm :D |
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| 20:09.49 | nico8481 | i dunno... which ones would you consider buying if you were me? |
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| 20:10.21 | nico8481 | does someone have a centrino? |
| 20:10.25 | devserve | Fo: fyi, debian release times are NEVER announced in advance |
| 20:10.49 | nico8481 | own |
| 20:11.03 | devserve | probably... |
| 20:11.06 | Fo | devserve : thx, didnt know that, Im using debian not long... |
| 20:11.08 | anto9us | nico8481: I think there's a tool called cpudyn that takes care of processor speed for mobile processors |
| 20:11.13 | devserve | oh, you mean someone -here-! |
| 20:11.16 | GarySaved | The reason I am asking, is I need Open Office 2, and it is not listed. |
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| 20:11.30 | anto9us | nico8481: mine has desktop processor though |
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| 20:11.53 | nico8481 | anto9us, in what goal? reduce its speed to use less power? |
| 20:12.00 | anto9us | nico8481: yes |
| 20:12.10 | nico8481 | ah |
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| 20:12.49 | devserve | GarySaved: if that comes as source, you can build it |
| 20:13.12 | jez | Can anybody suggest why my gamma is being set really low when I run glxgears? I have to reset it manually afterwards - it doesn't go back to normal when I exit. |
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| 20:13.20 | GSH-Alex^BNC | ssh: received disconnect too many authentication failures for user ... how can i reset this counter ? |
| 20:13.40 | vertigo | Hi. Is there a midnight commander-specific channel anywhere? |
| 20:13.48 | nico8481 | hmm.. :-/ |
| 20:13.52 | shimano55 | bozomar, So I should be able to start etherconf with the command "etherconf" ? |
| 20:13.55 | xelam | inside a symlink to a real dir, why isn't .. treated the same for cd and ls? |
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| 20:14.03 | karsten | vertigo: Not AFAIK. Ask. |
| 20:14.03 | GarySaved | devserve, I was playing with ubuntu, and it was available from Synaptic there, but I switched back. |
| 20:14.07 | bozomar | shimano55: I guess yes |
| 20:14.09 | karsten | vertigo: ...I use it a bit. |
| 20:14.32 | devserve | GarySaved: any good? |
| 20:14.38 | bozomar | shimano55: I don't use it, but i know it's a easy to use tool for network configuration |
| 20:14.42 | shimano55 | bozomar, That is odd...it always returns that that isn't a command |
| 20:14.44 | vertigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.55 | karsten | vertigo: /query chanserve list *midnight* |
| 20:15.02 | GarySaved | devserve: ubuntu, or OO2 ? |
| 20:15.06 | Phated | chanserv. |
| 20:15.08 | karsten | vertigo: ...or perhaps *mc* though I suspect it'll generate false positives |
| 20:15.32 | bozomar | shimano55: just run this: apt-get install etherconf |
| 20:15.42 | vertigo | karsten: Is it possible to make mc display file sizes in human readable format? |
| 20:15.46 | karsten | vertigo: Good question ;-) |
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| 20:16.21 | bozomar | shimano55: It will just appear after installation |
| 20:16.21 | karsten | vertigo: There's an online searchable help in mc. |
| 20:16.21 | nico8481 | actually i'd like to find out about the centrino issue but the docs on tuxmobile are rather confusing :-/ |
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| 20:16.21 | nico8481 | if not old |
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| 20:16.39 | GSH-Alex^BNC | ssh: received disconnect too many authentication failures for user ... how can i reset this counter ? |
| 20:17.08 | bozomar | shimano55: And if you use GNOME, it has a gui for network interfaces |
| 20:17.29 | anto9us | nico8481: did you look at http://linux-laptop.net/ ? |
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| 20:17.41 | karsten | vertigo: help == F1 |
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| 20:17.58 | GarySaved | In the repositories, are there options availabe besides 'main contrib non-free' ? |
| 20:18.04 | caphuso | GarySaved: no |
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| 20:18.24 | GarySaved | O.K. Thanks. |
| 20:18.34 | nico8481 | anto9us, i browsed through the website but couldn't find anything about centrino |
| 20:18.45 | shimano55 | bozomar, Ok..I ran apt-get install etherconf, entered my hostname, hostdomain, told it to config my ethernet card, and then it installed it..but it didn't just appear |
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| 20:18.50 | deadcat | nico8481: wireless? ipw2[12]00 |
| 20:18.51 | shimano55 | bozomar, what GUI? |
| 20:19.00 | GSH-Alex^BNC | ssh: received disconnect too many authentication failures for user ... how can i reset this counter ? |
| 20:19.01 | nico8481 | and google only points to outdated stuff |
| 20:19.04 | *** part/#debian sesshoumaru (~Kal_El@200.149.53.119) |
| 20:19.15 | karsten | vertigo: ...or you can run 'ls -h' in the command window ;-) |
| 20:19.22 | gratuit | ok, I'm having an issue that I think is a hardware problem and I was wondering if anyone had any ideas, here is a screenshot http://insanelogic.net/BadScreenshot.png |
| 20:19.28 | deadcat | karsten: command window? (= |
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| 20:19.41 | gratuit | it doesn't do that all the time, just after I've been using the computer for a while |
| 20:19.41 | sussudio | in soviet russia, window commands you |
| 20:19.48 | anto9us | nico8481: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=site:www.linux-on-laptops.com+centrino |
| 20:19.52 | MrKrystal | I have my cupsd server up. Now how to print from a client ? |
| 20:20.02 | nico8481 | deadcat, ? |
| 20:20.08 | deadcat | nico8481: nevermind. |
| 20:20.16 | bozomar | shimano55: network-admin |
| 20:20.20 | gratuit | and nothing hangs, I just have that corrupted data output to the display |
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| 20:20.51 | karsten | deadcat: The command line at the bottom of mc. |
| 20:20.57 | deadcat | karsten: ah. |
| 20:20.58 | gratuit | though I have had my interface seem to hang before, though processes in the background continued to run(i.e. a compile in a tty completed after the apparent hang) |
| 20:21.05 | bozomar | shimano55: etherconf uses ncurces, so it's not a real gui |
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| 20:21.31 | shimano55 | bozomar, h/o i'll br r |
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| 20:21.45 | shimano55 | bozomar, h/o I'll be right back |
| 20:21.46 | vertigo | karsten: the normal doc's don't say anything about this, so i assume it's not possible (i wanted to ask anyway) |
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| 20:21.54 | simonrvn | hmm, anyonw got an idea on how i can strip out unseen control and other such characters? |
| 20:21.58 | simonrvn | anyone* |
| 20:22.10 | vertigo | karsten: i consider it huge lossage, i will try to implement it myself |
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| 20:22.16 | caphuso | simonrvn: col -b? |
| 20:22.16 | gravity | simonrvn: sed? tr? |
| 20:22.46 | devserve | simonrvn: you could write that in C |
| 20:22.47 | karsten | vertigo: OK. |
| 20:22.47 | gravity | There's some program specifically to do it, but I forget the name. Cleanup or something |
| 20:22.47 | vertigo | karsten: i am amazed that such a feature could be left out |
| 20:22.47 | simonrvn | i'll check those out, thank you all |
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| 20:22.48 | karsten | vertigo: Not that I know of. I use mc somewhat but not *too* extensively. |
| 20:22.48 | L00thar | I'm sure this one has been asked a few times: how to pipe into scp ..? |
| 20:22.51 | DiscoMania | Debian is so easy |
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| 20:22.57 | DiscoMania | Debian 0wnz. |
| 20:23.04 | deadcat | DiscoMania: shutup |
| 20:23.11 | karsten | vertigo: ...you might want to post to a mailing list, better hit rate. |
| 20:23.19 | karsten | L00thar: You don't. |
| 20:23.26 | karsten | L00thar: You pipe into ssh. |
| 20:23.28 | nico8481 | anto9us, yes these links explain how to install debian/mandrake/whatever on those particular models of laptops (that happen to have centrino CPU), but do not say if the centrino power functions work... |
| 20:23.34 | simonrvn | col -b looks good |
| 20:23.34 | L00thar | karsten: I was afraid of that. |
| 20:23.40 | karsten | L00thar: cat file | ssh user@remotehost 'cat > remotefile' |
| 20:23.42 | DiscoMania | Hahahah |
| 20:23.46 | DiscoMania | your cat is dead |
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| 20:23.58 | nico8481 | anto9us, see what i mean? |
| 20:24.00 | karsten | DiscoMania: How did you know that? |
| 20:24.15 | deadcat | !kill me |
| 20:24.15 | DiscoMania | umm |
| 20:24.22 | DiscoMania | !kill cat |
| 20:24.28 | DiscoMania | See |
| 20:24.28 | karsten | simonrvn: 'col' |
| 20:24.32 | DiscoMania | it's dead. |
| 20:24.37 | DiscoMania | !kill karsten |
| 20:24.43 | DiscoMania | !kill me |
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| 20:24.49 | devserve | you kiwweded it |
| 20:24.51 | DiscoMania | Oh. |
| 20:24.51 | karsten | simonrvn: ...or use tr and find the nonprintable ascii range and replace it. 'tr' accepts octal values. |
| 20:24.52 | nico8481 | anto9us, according to intel's webpage, if i understand it correctly, they (power features) do not [work] |
| 20:24.58 | DiscoMania | Now thats just offensive |
| 20:25.07 | Fo | !kill me |
| 20:25.17 | DiscoMania | !kill Numa Numa |
| 20:25.18 | anto9us | nico8481: I clicked on the top one, the samsung one, I clicked it and speedstep configuration was listed there |
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| 20:25.20 | L00thar | karsten: It would be nice to have something like ' | scp - foo@bar:fubar' or '| scp foo@bar:fubar -' ... |
| 20:25.23 | Fo | muahah |
| 20:25.23 | nico8481 | http://support.intel.com/support/notebook/centrino/sb/CS-009882.htm --> "Intel® Centrino⢠Mobile Technology" |
| 20:25.24 | DiscoMania | Hahahahhaha |
| 20:25.26 | simonrvn | i need to strip out crap as much as i can - i've got it covered, thanks :) |
| 20:25.26 | karsten | DiscoMania: Thanks, enough. |
| 20:25.41 | DiscoMania | !kill Windows |
| 20:25.49 | DiscoMania | !Kill Bill Gates |
| 20:25.49 | karsten | L00thar: There's an extant workaround, and, well, it works. I'm OK with that. |
| 20:25.56 | DiscoMania | Hahahhahahha |
| 20:25.56 | karsten | DiscoMania: Stop. |
| 20:26.00 | Fo | aahahaha |
| 20:26.01 | DiscoMania | Ok. |
| 20:26.07 | karsten | !ops DiscoMania |
| 20:26.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: DiscoMania |
| 20:26.13 | karsten | DiscoMania: If you want to be kicked, just keep at it. <sigh> |
| 20:26.37 | digibox | woohoo I love wget. I dont know how I lived without it! |
| 20:26.40 | karsten | simonrvn: Sorted? |
| 20:26.42 | DiscoMania | !ops |
| 20:26.42 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 20:26.45 | devserve | DiscoMania: there are lots and lots of people here, and because of that every line you send and every line you cause to send gets transmitted by the server that many times |
| 20:27.00 | DiscoMania | !ops Karsten |
| 20:27.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Karsten |
| 20:27.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 20:27.07 | DiscoMania | No shit. |
| 20:27.09 | *** mode/#debian [+q DiscoMania!*@*] by caphuso |
| 20:27.12 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 20:27.12 | nico8481 | anto9us, "Speedstep"? this is the part of the centrino technology that handle power consuming? |
| 20:27.17 | simonrvn | no, nothing fancy |
| 20:27.18 | bbrazil | L00thar: you tried a fifo? dunno if it'll work |
| 20:27.23 | devserve | DiscoMania: evidently not :) |
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| 20:27.30 | anto9us | nico8481: yes, I believe so |
| 20:27.31 | oskie | anyone know what a good chunk size for 4*250GB RAID5 mdadm array (mainly for files >= ~3MB)? |
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| 20:27.36 | gravity | caphuso: Thanks |
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| 20:27.42 | nico8481 | uh consumption |
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| 20:27.51 | nico8481 | anto9us, aaaaaaaah :) thanks :) |
| 20:27.52 | karsten | nico8481: Yes, that's it. Speedstep == IIRC "geyserville" == automatic CPU clock throttling. |
| 20:27.59 | karsten | caphuso: He's back. |
| 20:28.09 | nico8481 | so it seems to work with linux |
| 20:28.11 | L00thar | bbrazil: I was debating doing only the ssh thing karsten recommended. Nothing else yet. |
| 20:28.17 | karsten | caphuso: ...and gone ;-) |
| 20:28.20 | deadcat | simonrvn: if you are trying to remove those ascii color stuff. col -b dont do much good. |
| 20:28.20 | deadcat | you end up with: 32m 32m40m Normal 0m 32m41m Normal 0m 32m42m Normal 0m 32m43m Normal 0m 32m44m Normal 0m 32m45m Normal 0m 32m46m Normal 0m 32m47m Normal 0m |
| 20:28.28 | karsten | !beer caphuso |
| 20:28.38 | bbrazil | L00thar: the ssh thing works fine, I've used it myself the odd time |
| 20:28.54 | caphuso | this !beer stuff doesn't get old, does it? |
| 20:29.06 | L00thar | bbrazil: I want a simple scp pipe, dammit! ;> |
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| 20:29.18 | simonrvn | i'm not |
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| 20:29.25 | Sharcho | If I have testing and unstable in my sources.list, what's the way to set testing as the default? |
| 20:29.25 | karsten | caphuso: Just trying to say thanks. |
| 20:29.27 | caphuso | an scp pipe makes as much sense as an cp pipe |
| 20:29.28 | devserve | L00thar: use ssh to pipe... that's how you do it... |
| 20:29.38 | caphuso | which is: none at all |
| 20:29.38 | L00thar | devserve: sure. |
| 20:29.46 | karsten | !tell Sharcho about pinning |
| 20:29.46 | shimano55 | bozomar, uhh..how come none of this stuff works on my comp? this is annoying... |
| 20:30.05 | Sharcho | karsten, thanks |
| 20:30.29 | karsten | caphuso: Of course, we had to invent nearbeer for helix, for completeness's sake. |
| 20:30.48 | bozomar | shimano55: Why do you want to use a gui? And what about network-admin? Is it installed on your box? |
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| 20:31.14 | nico8481 | karsten, well i guess that if it works on that particular samsung it should work on every centrino isn't it? :o) |
| 20:31.45 | anto9us | nico8481: look around, I'm not sure how much part the bios plays in it |
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| 20:33.18 | bozomar | shimano55: network-admin is part of gnome-system-tools package |
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| 20:34.14 | nico8481 | anto9us, well i guess that on centrino laptops they put a bios capable of handling it :op |
| 20:34.20 | shimano55 | bozomar, oh |
| 20:34.52 | shimano55 | bozomar, got an error, "(network-admin:11292): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 20:34.52 | shimano55 | " |
| 20:35.08 | shimano55 | : \ |
| 20:35.34 | bozomar | shimano55: It's not important, you must be asked root password |
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| 20:36.05 | shimano55 | than brb |
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| 20:37.02 | idnar | hrm, what's the option to make irssi "persist" all of your windows? |
| 20:37.13 | anto9us | nico8481: yes but they're usually designed to run windows and the bioses aren't always properly acpi compliant, as I understand it |
| 20:37.27 | karsten | idnar: Never quit it ;-) |
| 20:37.32 | nico8481 | hmm :( |
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| 20:37.51 | karsten | idnar: There's a conffile. I run it in screen. This session's been running since January, I think. |
| 20:37.58 | gothtec | What's the fastest and easiest way to enable scsi-emulation on my laptop's cd-writer in a fresh install of sarge? |
| 20:38.00 | anto9us | nico8481: go with something someone has already configured and proved to work |
| 20:38.17 | idnar | karsten: I know there's a setting because I have it turned; I can't figure out what the setting is, however, and I'm trying to help someone else turn it on :P |
| 20:38.22 | karsten | gothtec: hdc=ide-scsi |
| 20:38.37 | karsten | gothtec: ...or device as appropriate. In GRUB/LILO. |
| 20:38.40 | gothtec | karsten: don't I need to install any modules or anything? |
| 20:38.42 | nico8481 | anto9us, that's what i was thinking but i can't find any over here... dunno if these are old models or what but never saw them in stores |
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| 20:38.47 | karsten | gothtec: Um. |
| 20:39.01 | karsten | gothtec: ide_scsi |
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| 20:39.53 | roler | I'm trying to setup a transparent terminal to display logs on my computer. can I use gnome-terminal for this? The problem is I don't see enough options in gnome terminal to do what I want to do... Also what is the proper way to make it run on startup? The session manager? |
| 20:39.55 | nico8481 | anto9us, the one in the 1st link for example, samsung X10... no way to find it |
| 20:39.58 | shimano55 | bozomar, Ok...I got the GUI started...but I can't select my wireless card...could that be because I set it up in ndiswrapper? |
| 20:40.03 | karsten | gothtec: http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MochaP4LinuxInstall#CD_Burner |
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| 20:40.33 | karsten | gothtec: ide-scsi module |
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| 20:40.35 | karsten | gothtec: s/-/_/ |
| 20:40.37 | anto9us | try searching the other way around nico8481 |
| 20:40.57 | bozomar | shimano55: I've no idea about wireless cards, but if it's up and running you should see that |
| 20:40.59 | gothtec | karsten: goodie. I see my old lilo config had this. it also has max_scsi_luns=1... any idea what that does? is it needed? |
| 20:41.02 | nico8481 | yup |
| 20:41.06 | devserve | roler: how do you define 'startup'? |
| 20:41.21 | karsten | gothtec: I don't have that myself. |
| 20:41.21 | roler | devserve ; when X starts |
| 20:41.39 | Filosofem | Hey. Anyone have an idea about why DHCP wouldn't start, considering that my network card is properly found? |
| 20:41.40 | devserve | got ?dm? |
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| 20:41.50 | nico8481 | when i see one that seems good in local ads or something, i google for the model and "linux" but usually find nothing :( |
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| 20:41.58 | caphuso | Filosofem: /msg dpkg kernel options for dhcp |
| 20:41.59 | karsten | Filosofem: Client or server? |
| 20:41.59 | gothtec | karsten: ok. i'll try with just the hdc= thing :) |
| 20:42.05 | nico8481 | well nevermind thanks |
| 20:42.06 | devserve | Filosofem: you have to configure it |
| 20:42.13 | Filosofem | Karsten: Client. |
| 20:42.21 | Filosofem | Devserve: It's supposed to be configured. |
| 20:42.23 | karsten | Filosofem: Ensure the server's running. |
| 20:42.39 | devserve | Filosofem: and yet it's not :) |
| 20:42.40 | karsten | Filosofem: ...and check /var/log/messages for output when ifuping the interface. |
| 20:42.40 | scanez | Question about my scsi cdrw/dvd drive: I have a latitude d610 and can't get debian to recognize my scsi cdrw/dvd drive. It worked under ubuntu and have the same modules loaded under Debian that were loaded under ubuntu but no dice. /dev/scd0 just doesn't get created and the drive is not listed in /proc/scsi/scsi. So I'm guessing it must be some debian specific configuration issue but am out of ideas. Any suggestions? |
| 20:42.50 | Filosofem | Devserve: With "compact"'s kernel, DHCP works perfectly. |
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| 20:43.01 | Filosofem | Devserve: With the one I just compiled, it doesn't. |
| 20:43.04 | caphuso | it's a misonfigured kernel |
| 20:43.07 | lewis | hey there - i just typed 'netstat -a' - and noticed quite a few of the following lines (about 50, on a range of foreign ports around 52,000), where 123.123.123.123 is my ip: tcp 0 0 123.123.123.123:ssh aib45.neoplus.ads:52136 TIME_WAIT |
| 20:43.20 | caphuso | maybe even misconfigured |
| 20:43.28 | lewis | is it someone trying to use an SSH exploit or similar? |
| 20:43.36 | Filosofem | I added TCP/IP. |
| 20:43.40 | devserve | Filosofem: oh, so dhcp is configured then |
| 20:43.42 | Filosofem | Stuff like that. |
| 20:43.47 | caphuso | Filosofem: /msg dpkg kernel options for dhcp |
| 20:43.47 | Filosofem | Devserve: Yes. |
| 20:43.59 | Filosofem | Devserve: Using it right now, with a default kernel. |
| 20:44.01 | Sharcho | lewis, have you changed the /etc/hosts file to block advertisements? |
| 20:44.09 | lewis | no? |
| 20:44.13 | lewis | what is an SSH advertisement? |
| 20:44.48 | devserve | Filosofem: got unix domain sockets? |
| 20:45.00 | devserve | are you using make-kpkg to build? |
| 20:45.07 | osh | So, apache or apache2? |
| 20:45.14 | karsten | gothtec: There's an /etc/modules file attached to that page, you might want to take a look at it for SCSI modules listed. |
| 20:45.20 | Cyis | lewis: looks like an SSH connect being made from a machine behind masquarading or NAT |
| 20:45.20 | Filosofem | Devserve: Yes. |
| 20:45.23 | Sharcho | lewis, can you ping aib45.neoplus.ads ? |
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| 20:45.31 | devserve | osh: aolserver |
| 20:45.31 | Filosofem | I think "dpkg" gave me the answer. =D |
| 20:45.33 | simonrvn | i'm confused. grep -E seems to be working like grep -v |
| 20:45.43 | simonrvn | nm |
| 20:45.49 | Filosofem | Thats Caphuso. |
| 20:45.50 | lewis | Sharcho: no |
| 20:45.52 | Cyis | afternoon simonrvn |
| 20:45.53 | caphuso | simonrvn: yes, you are confused ;-) |
| 20:45.53 | Filosofem | Thanks Caphuso.* |
| 20:46.07 | osh | devserve: aolserver? Anything with "aol" in it sounds suspicious... |
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| 20:46.40 | devserve | osh: well, if you want a very high performance web application server... |
| 20:46.58 | devserve | maybe you only want a web listener... apache's fine for that |
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| 20:47.45 | osh | devserve: I googled for it and it's really real. I want something to serve up my wordpress-pages. Perhaps aolserver is overkill? |
| 20:47.49 | devserve | so it really depends on your app. also aolserver is quite different in many many ways |
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| 20:49.01 | lewis | Sharcho: so, any reason for the 50 or so connects? |
| 20:49.32 | Sharcho | TIME_WAIT is not connected, it stays there for a few minutes after the connection is terminated. |
| 20:49.50 | Fo | lewis : any clues in logs ? |
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| 20:50.25 | roler | so can someone give me a command line they use to display log messages on the desktop? |
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| 20:50.45 | voxvirus | yo |
| 20:51.06 | devserve | osh: take a look at greenpeace.org, berkleemusic.com, scorecard.org, photo.net, philip.greenspun.com, wgbh.org, openacs.org |
| 20:51.21 | devserve | all those are aolserver / openacs sites |
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| 20:51.48 | devserve | osh, dunno if you want to build stuff like that or what |
| 20:51.58 | Fo | roler : read about syslog.conf and printing messages on console => google |
| 20:52.32 | tarzeau | roler: tail -f |
| 20:52.34 | osh | devserve: Nothing that advanced but I'll have a look at aolserver. I haven't tried it before so it deserves a test run. Thanks for the hint. |
| 20:52.39 | devserve | anyway, some of those sites use oracle, the others use postgres |
| 20:52.40 | lewis | Sharcho: sorry, i meant 'why would that person be trying to connect 50 times' - from a weird domain |
| 20:52.41 | tarzeau | !for x |
| 20:52.41 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
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| 20:53.10 | roler | lol |
| 20:53.13 | roler | i know how to tail logs |
| 20:53.22 | tarzeau | roler: what's your problem then? |
| 20:53.43 | roler | i'm asking for the gnome-terminal or Eterm command line switches to display it with no border, transparent background, and not loading in the application bar at the bottom of my screen |
| 20:53.44 | devserve | osh: dunno how you feel about tcl... but aolserver has that builtin, and it't been rock solid for years and years |
| 20:53.56 | lewis | ok - in /var/log/auth.log - I have hundreds of lines of attempted user connects (SSH I believe) from the same IP address |
| 20:54.05 | tarzeau | roler: window maker can do that |
| 20:54.28 | roler | i'm not in window maker... i'm in gnome |
| 20:54.30 | tarzeau | roler: with any terminal (the ones you named are the worst i've tried) |
| 20:54.37 | tarzeau | roler: gnome is not a window manager |
| 20:54.40 | osh | devserve: I'm writing tcl-scripts (expect) at work and learned to hate it... ;-) But it does have some strong points... |
| 20:54.51 | devserve | but the fact remains, he's still in it! |
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| 20:54.56 | Sharcho | lewis, I don't know where the weird domain comes from, check your DNS config. |
| 20:55.07 | rectum | I have been going though xterm manpage, and a few times actually, I can't seem to figure out how to disable bold from being used. I don't want to see any bold text. Even it is bold, it should be displayed regularly. How do I do this? I have tried a few switches but they don't seem to work |
| 20:55.09 | roler | tarzeau ; so what terminal do you suggest then |
| 20:55.11 | blueballs | how do i limit which users can 'su' to root under debian? |
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| 20:55.20 | tarzeau | roler: what about you tell us what your window manager is? |
| 20:55.22 | devserve | osh: yeah, meetoo |
| 20:55.30 | tarzeau | roler: personally i use Terminal.app (pkg terminal) |
| 20:55.33 | Fo | Sharcho : maybe somebody is spoofing he's address ? |
| 20:55.36 | lewis | is there any danger of all these connects, if they are clearly not getting through? or should I be looking at dropping their ip address in the iptable? |
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| 20:55.45 | tarzeau | (then comes xterm and aterm for my liking) |
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| 20:56.02 | tarzeau | blueballs: use sudo? |
| 20:56.10 | devserve | blueballs: you'd have to figure a way to do that... maybe try to get the wheel group setup going |
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| 20:56.35 | rectum | tarzeau: could you help me out possibly, maybe you've done this, maybe not |
| 20:56.41 | rectum | I am trying to disable bold in xterm |
| 20:56.49 | shimano55 | Question, Is anyone here using ndiswrapper to get there wireless card working on Debian? |
| 20:56.52 | roler | i'm running gnome/kdm i guess |
| 20:56.58 | blueballs | devserve: how do i get a wheel group setup going? |
| 20:57.01 | anto9us | shimano55: yes |
| 20:57.03 | tarzeau | roler: these are still no window managers |
| 20:57.06 | rectum | there are 3 resouces concerning bold |
| 20:57.07 | blueballs | i'd prefer wheel over sudo |
| 20:57.09 | rectum | in the man page |
| 20:57.13 | roler | whatever then |
| 20:57.20 | rectum | but they have to do with color |
| 20:57.23 | shimano55 | anto9us, Are you on GNOME? |
| 20:57.26 | rectum | im confused |
| 20:57.30 | anto9us | shimano55: yes |
| 20:57.34 | Sharcho | Fo, maybe. |
| 20:57.36 | tarzeau | roler: maybe you want root-tail |
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| 20:57.52 | shimano55 | anto9us, Did you use the Gnome Network Admin tool to connect to you router? |
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| 20:58.01 | blueballs | devserve: ? |
| 20:58.03 | anto9us | shimano55: no, command line |
| 20:58.07 | devserve | blueballs: you'd add that group, add people to it, look at su to see how to get it to restrict to the wheel group (maybe you have to rebuild and maybe even alter su) |
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| 20:58.17 | blueballs | hm |
| 20:58.28 | blueballs | doesn't sound out-of-the-box easy. |
| 20:58.40 | anto9us | shimano55: I'm about to have a look at netenv for flexibility in different environments |
| 20:58.50 | Skyblaze | anyone knows about the patch to add support to covers to rhythmbox? |
| 20:58.57 | nse | where I can search for non official deb packages on the web? |
| 20:59.07 | darkcmd | how can I remove GNOME in its entirety from my system |
| 20:59.15 | gothtec | karsten: yay! it's alive! thanks |
| 20:59.16 | Fo | lewis : for me it looks like someone wants to 'get in' |
| 20:59.20 | roler | thanks |
| 20:59.20 | gravity | nse: apt-get.org, backports.org |
| 20:59.24 | onre | blueballs, install sudo and configure it to allow only wheel group. ;) |
| 20:59.25 | blueballs | devserve: thanks anyway. |
| 20:59.36 | blueballs | onre: ah, good idea. |
| 20:59.39 | karsten | gothtec: Swet. |
| 20:59.44 | karsten | gothtec: Sweet, even. |
| 20:59.45 | shimano55 | anto9us, Mabye you can help me. I have the card driver installed, and it says that it |
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| 21:00.10 | shimano55 | anto9usm, it's working with the card, but I can't connect to the network... |
| 21:00.12 | devserve | but that won't keep su from being accessed by people |
| 21:00.19 | Fo | lewis : but maybe this is some sort of bruteforce on ssh - dunno really quite sure |
| 21:00.43 | anto9us | shimano55: you have iwconfig? |
| 21:01.26 | devserve | btw, su is "switch user" and is used for other things besides logging in as root |
| 21:01.26 | gratuit | I want to move my root partition from a larger partition to a smaller one to free up some space, is there an easy way to copy the root partition over to the new one that won't descend into other mounted filesystems? |
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| 21:01.28 | rectum | how does one disable bold display in xterm |
| 21:01.31 | jordin | vale ya me va la cam |
| 21:01.34 | jordin | ops perdon |
| 21:01.35 | jordin | XDD |
| 21:01.45 | shimano55 | anto9us, yes |
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| 21:02.08 | Sharcho | lewis, Try doing netstat with the -n switch to show the IP addreess |
| 21:02.12 | anto9us | shimano55: you have the router on discover mode? |
| 21:02.31 | shimano55 | anto9us, acually its on Managed |
| 21:02.59 | b00 | hey, how can I make sensors work with 2.6.x kernel ? |
| 21:03.20 | anto9us | shimano55: here's my command - iwconfig wlan0 essid Home key restricted s:password |
| 21:03.25 | rectum | how does one disable bold display in xterm, c'mon someone gotta know |
| 21:03.26 | streuner | b00: install lm-sensors |
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| 21:03.38 | streuner | b00: what does 'uname -a' say? |
| 21:03.49 | jme | so um, fglrx hates me |
| 21:03.55 | anto9us | shimano55: after that I dhclient to get an ip |
| 21:03.57 | b00 | well, its a 2.6.11 kernel, amd64 |
| 21:04.13 | b00 | last time i went through sensors-detect process |
| 21:04.24 | anto9us | shimano55: replace your essid and password accordingly |
| 21:04.31 | b00 | I guess 2.6 is a different thing completely with respect to sensors |
| 21:04.34 | jme | the module loads fine, dri has mode 0666 in the X config, but dri fails to load |
| 21:04.35 | jme | heh |
| 21:04.40 | b00 | perhaps, using /sys |
| 21:04.43 | shimano55 | anto9us, ya..mine's not restricted |
| 21:04.48 | renzo | which iptables entries are necessar in order to be able to access my openvpn server through my gateway from the internet? |
| 21:04.56 | hever_ | " /etc/init.d/apache2 stop" >>> "Stopping web server: Apache2 ... failed!" "You may still have some apache2 processes running. There are" "processes named 'apache2' which do not match your pid file," "and in the name of safety, we've left them alone. Please review" "the situation by hand." What could I do ? |
| 21:05.05 | jme | [fglrx:firegl_unlock] *ERROR* Process 8695 using kernel context 0 |
| 21:05.06 | roler | tarzeau ; root-tail is it. thanks man |
| 21:05.07 | renzo | until now I just have iptables -t filter -A FORWARD -p udp -d 192.168.0.30 --dport 1194 -j ACCEPT but it's not workin |
| 21:05.11 | jme | i wonder if that means anything ;) |
| 21:05.29 | shimano55 | anto9us, now what do I do with the IP that I get? |
| 21:05.32 | anto9us | shimano55: do you have your mac adress allowed on the router? |
| 21:05.48 | anto9us | shimano55: oh, that's it, you're done :) |
| 21:05.52 | b00 | streuner: you also using 2.6 ? |
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| 21:05.56 | rectum | look, I have pretty much exhausted all other ways, I have looked through the xterm man page, and the resouces, and searched google extensively, came across many Xresources and looked through those, and read more studd and posts, I can't figure out how to disable BOLD in xterm. Can anyone please help me out, ffs, I'm begging :( |
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| 21:06.17 | rectum | i've searched google like i've neve searche before |
| 21:06.19 | anto9us | shimano55: you might want to look at securing it now |
| 21:06.24 | rectum | can anyone tell me anything |
| 21:07.00 | rectum | figure out how to disable bold in xterm* |
| 21:07.06 | rectum | damn typos |
| 21:07.19 | shimano55 | anto9us, Why? |
| 21:07.33 | shimano55 | anto9us, So I should be able to connect now? |
| 21:07.46 | lewis | Sharcho: all the connections have gone now, should I worry about them though? |
| 21:07.55 | anto9us | shimano55: if dhclient gave you an ip, yes |
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| 21:08.15 | thingfish | they have medications that work real well for obsessive-compulsive disorder. |
| 21:08.17 | Sharcho | lewis, I personally wouldn't worry about it. |
| 21:08.18 | shimano55 | anto9us, but what do I do with the IP? |
| 21:08.25 | lewis | Sharcho: thanks for the advice |
| 21:08.41 | anto9us | shimano55: nothing, it's been done, it's been allocated to your wireless card |
| 21:08.42 | rectum | ANYONE!? |
| 21:08.44 | rectum | PLEASE! |
| 21:08.50 | rectum | :( |
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| 21:09.12 | shimano55 | anto9us, but whenever I unplug the ethernet cable, I can't even ping my own router |
| 21:09.33 | anto9us | shimano55: sorry, dhclient wlan0 |
| 21:09.35 | blueballs | debian is kinda nice. |
| 21:09.40 | blueballs | hum. |
| 21:09.43 | shimano55 | anto9us, I did |
| 21:10.12 | anto9us | shimano55: could be a firewall problem maybe |
| 21:10.23 | rectum | we live in a society people |
| 21:10.30 | rectum | supposed to help each other sometimes |
| 21:10.35 | blueballs | 11:10 <rectum> we live in a society people |
| 21:10.38 | blueballs | priceless |
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| 21:10.45 | rectum | for fucks sake |
| 21:10.57 | rectum | which resource option disables bold in xterm |
| 21:10.57 | Fo | :) |
| 21:11.00 | rectum | i've gone through all of them |
| 21:11.04 | rectum | i can't figure it out |
| 21:11.04 | anto9us | for the sake of fucking? |
| 21:11.07 | rectum | yes |
| 21:11.08 | rectum | indeed |
| 21:11.11 | rectum | for its sake |
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| 21:11.14 | rectum | for the very sake of fucking |
| 21:11.16 | rectum | PLEASE! |
| 21:11.20 | streuner | !enter |
| 21:11.21 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 21:11.26 | shingouz | rectum: Has it occurred to you that the people currently on the channel does nto have an answer right now |
| 21:11.31 | jme | hah |
| 21:11.43 | rectum | streuner: you can give me that sort of useless garbage advice, yet you can't help with the xterm problem |
| 21:11.46 | rectum | wow |
| 21:11.49 | obtix | i am installing a fresh copy of debian on an old machine i had laying around i am trying to get the base system over the network using http://http.us.debian.org/debian; however, i get an error when it tries to download cpio i figure this is the sites fault.. where is a list of other possible mirrors? |
| 21:12.05 | rectum | dude |
| 21:12.12 | rectum | there are like 700 people here |
| 21:12.13 | shingouz | obtix: Where are you? |
| 21:12.15 | rectum | you are telilng me no one uses xterm? |
| 21:12.18 | rectum | i find that hard to believe |
| 21:12.22 | rectum | VERY hard |
| 21:12.23 | nse | where I can find anything related to Adagio on debian? It's a g2 client daemin.. |
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| 21:12.25 | obtix | shingouz: US |
| 21:12.26 | shimano55 | ant9us, What do u mean? |
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| 21:12.33 | jme | heh, i use aterm/Eterm |
| 21:12.38 | Ronin | rectum: ever occur to you that of the 700 many are bots,many are ideling? probiblynot i bet |
| 21:12.39 | RichiH | rectum: well, perhaps he has no idea about it. i for one have not used xterm for years, for examle. still, if you waste too many lines for almost no content, it makes it hjard to follow the channel for people with small screens |
| 21:12.40 | Phated | Eterm here. |
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| 21:12.42 | streuner | rectum: How do you come to the idea that you deserve help? |
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| 21:12.55 | RichiH | rectum: i would suggest groups.google.com - you are sure to find it there |
| 21:13.01 | scarynetworkguy | Eterm is teh win. |
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| 21:13.05 | streuner | rectum: why not just use 'man xterm'? |
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| 21:13.11 | jme | or google |
| 21:13.17 | rectum | dude if you bothered to read |
| 21:13.18 | shingouz | obtix: Most of the mirrors are listed on the debian site but you couldtry replacing the "us" with some other country code. I think that there is some other problem though |
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| 21:13.35 | rectum | i 've been throughth the manpage a few times, looked and read about all the available resources at leat twice if not more |
| 21:13.38 | rectum | im still lost |
| 21:13.42 | rectum | sorry fo coming across so impatient |
| 21:13.46 | blueballs | wow, busy busy. |
| 21:13.54 | rectum | but really, i have bene on it for the most part of the day |
| 21:14.02 | rectum | I apologize again for coming across like that |
| 21:14.04 | shimano55 | anto9us, What do u mean? |
| 21:14.09 | rectum | but please, I implore you, help me :( |
| 21:14.13 | obtix | shingouz: the error says "Counldn't download cpio" :-P i looked on the site but couldnt find anything |
| 21:14.15 | rectum | once again, for the sake of fucking |
| 21:14.17 | rectum | ;) |
| 21:14.28 | jme | rectum: just did a google search for xterm resource options, i didn't see one for a bold setting |
| 21:14.30 | anto9us | rectum: have you installed xtermcontrol? |
| 21:14.41 | rectum | anto9us: no I hav enot |
| 21:14.42 | shingouz | obtix: That is odd, I have never seen that error before. What version of debian you installing there? |
| 21:14.49 | rectum | jme: I know :( |
| 21:15.01 | anto9us | rectum: install it, it allows you to unset the bold, among other things :) |
| 21:15.03 | obtix | shingouz: 3.0r4 i believe |
| 21:15.05 | rectum | oh |
| 21:15.08 | rectum | thank you |
| 21:15.10 | phs | hi, i'm running debian for a while now and i'm happy with. as with mutt. since the last apt-get -dist-upgrade (I'm using testing), mutt seems to be broken. it doesn't list all mailboxes, bash scripts for isgs aren't expanded anymore. anyone else got this problem? |
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| 21:15.12 | streuner | rectum: what fucking problem do you have, here are other people as well who need help, do you fucking think you are the only one in this world who has problems? |
| 21:15.20 | rectum | streuner: stfu |
| 21:15.28 | jme | easy on the language guys |
| 21:15.31 | rectum | let it go, i apologized and came n shit too |
| 21:15.34 | Ronin | ya that will get folks to help you rectum |
| 21:15.35 | rectum | so get off the rag |
| 21:15.35 | rectum | eh |
| 21:15.37 | karsten | streuner: Enough. |
| 21:15.42 | karsten | rectum: Buy a new nick. |
| 21:15.49 | rectum | lol |
| 21:15.56 | jazzanova | hi, how can i free up space by deleting the bulkiest packages ? |
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| 21:16.06 | jazzanova | i don't have space in root directory |
| 21:16.18 | simonrvn | "i would like to buy a vowel" NOT "i would like to buy a bowel" |
| 21:16.36 | karsten | jazzanova: Packages generally don't install much in /. What's your partitioning? |
| 21:16.41 | shimano55 | anto9us, So I have to tell the firewall to let my computer connect to the internet? |
| 21:16.44 | karsten | simonrvn: Touche. |
| 21:16.46 | anto9us | shimano55: if you have any firewall software installed it may only be allowing traffic through eth0 |
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| 21:16.54 | jazzanova | well, i only have 2gig in the root partition |
| 21:16.57 | shingouz | obtix: Lets see now. THat is the older version of the installer. A laptop you installing on? If it is, try enabling the pcmcia first, then go on to the network configuration and try again. You need to install the kernel and drivers before you can start with the pcmcia though |
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| 21:16.59 | phaedral | having trouble figuring out how to get rsync to grab everything but dotfiles in my user dir; any rsync gurus out there today? |
| 21:17.03 | jazzanova | and 2gig in /home |
| 21:17.10 | jazzanova | and thats all |
| 21:17.14 | Sharcho | jazzanova, you can try deborphan. |
| 21:17.18 | jazzanova | my drive is 4gig |
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| 21:17.22 | phs | apt-get autoclean should remove packages and clean up some space. |
| 21:17.31 | karsten | !tell jazzanova about partitioning howto |
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| 21:17.34 | shimano55 | anto9us, So are we talking about router firewall or computer firewall? |
| 21:17.41 | fz1911 | i'm trying to compile a new kernel, but when i'm trying to make initial ramdisk i get this: -bash: /sbin/makeinitrd: No such file or directory |
| 21:17.43 | anto9us | shimano55: computer firewall |
| 21:17.44 | fz1911 | what's wrong? |
| 21:17.48 | phs | well, this is what i understood... |
| 21:17.52 | shimano55 | anto9us, How Would |
| 21:17.54 | karsten | jazzanova: Generally, I keep /usr, /var, /tmp, and /home seperate from /. |
| 21:17.57 | obtix | shingouz: not a laptop... ive done the a dozen times before just fine i am determined it is the mirror |
| 21:17.58 | jazzanova | well it is no use now, that i have partitions already |
| 21:18.06 | karsten | jazzanova: 2 GB for all of system is pretty small. |
| 21:18.16 | streuner | fz1911: well, install the package which has makeinitrd |
| 21:18.18 | shimano55 | anto9us, I'm don't think I have a firewall installed...does Debian base come with any? |
| 21:18.23 | fz1911 | streuner, that is? :P |
| 21:18.27 | streuner | fz1911: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:18.33 | shingouz | fz1911: Make it easy on yourself ad do not install with a initrd, just put all the modules you need to access your / filesystem statically into the kernel and you should be done with it. |
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| 21:18.46 | anto9us | shimano55: I don't know |
| 21:18.49 | streuner | fz1911: or just use an kernel-image |
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| 21:19.01 | karsten | jazzanova: /var/lib/dpkg/status shows installed packages and size. You can parse that with various tools. |
| 21:19.01 | deeku | anyone here have a sharp mm10? |
| 21:19.07 | phs | @shimano55 ii think it comes with iptables (actually part of the kernel) |
| 21:19.08 | jazzanova | how can i list installed packages by size ? |
| 21:19.15 | rectum | anto9us: i just went throught he xtermcontrol man page, I didn't see an option for bold at all |
| 21:19.20 | shingouz | obtix: Try http://ftp.fi.debian.org , it is up at least at the very moment |
| 21:19.42 | shimano55 | phs, How could I configure those? |
| 21:19.45 | simonrvn | please don't use @ in front of someone's nick, that's a bot trigger |
| 21:19.49 | shingouz | deeku: What is a Sharp MM100? |
| 21:19.57 | anto9us | xtermcontrol is an utility to dynamically query and modify xterm |
| 21:19.57 | anto9us | properties, making it easy to query and change colors, title, font and |
| 21:19.57 | anto9us | geometry of a running xterm. |
| 21:20.03 | deeku | shingouz a laptop |
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| 21:20.09 | obtix | shingouz: the us mirror i was using is up its just that file... actually im going to try to get the base system off another cdrom i have laying around and then worry about it when i get the system up :-P |
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| 21:20.17 | shingouz | !tell deeku about laptop |
| 21:20.25 | foxiness | how can i use "update-rc.d" to stop service name it "ntpdate" on startup please "i read some page on net but not clear" |
| 21:20.25 | phs | shimano55 rules are set with the iptables command. iptables --list should how all cvonfigured rules |
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| 21:20.56 | resiak | foxiness: apt-get install rcconf might interest you. |
| 21:20.57 | shingouz | obtix: In that case the cd might have a different version somewhere and creates problems that way? |
| 21:21.04 | deeku | shingouz: yea i know those, thanks |
| 21:21.07 | rectum | anto9us: i don't see an option, switch, or resource concerning bold |
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| 21:21.30 | anto9us | rectum, try changing the colour |
| 21:21.31 | shingouz | deeku: So what is the problem then, do not make me guess, my psychic abilities are a bit low tonight. |
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| 21:21.46 | rectum | anto9us: colors are fine, I want to disable bold font |
| 21:21.50 | obtix | shingouz: i just got it :-P haha thank you though |
| 21:21.52 | foxiness | resiak, thanks resiak |
| 21:21.52 | deeku | shingouz: I just wanted to see if anybody had a sharp mm10 :) |
| 21:22.09 | anto9us | rectum: I don't use xterm |
| 21:22.22 | shingouz | !tell deeku about polls |
| 21:22.25 | streuner | rectum: try 'aterm' |
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| 21:22.44 | shingouz | obtix: What was it? |
| 21:23.04 | rectum | i don't want to use aterm |
| 21:23.05 | streuner | rectum: aterm -g 130x7+0+30 -tr -sh 50 -fg white -bg black -fn verdana & |
| 21:23.15 | anto9us | rectum: have you tried changing the font? |
| 21:23.20 | rectum | i am using lime font |
| 21:23.31 | jme | use shine ;) |
| 21:23.31 | rectum | yes I have tried changing the font to fixed, drift, and misc. others |
| 21:23.35 | shimano55 | phs, so...how would I make it so that it let wlan0 through...just iptables --out-interface wlan0? |
| 21:23.37 | shimano55 | or what? |
| 21:23.40 | obtix | shingouz: well i just used an older 3.0r4 cd i had laying around and told it to use the cdrom for the base system other then the network and it worked :-P time to make system bootable :-) |
| 21:23.53 | shingouz | obtix: Excellent :) |
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| 21:24.11 | deeku | shingouz sorry I hope I didn't bother your irc session too much |
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| 21:24.48 | shingouz | deeku: Looks like you are trying to make me feel bad with that sarcasm of yours. You are outta luck there |
| 21:24.53 | xennxn | hmm |
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| 21:25.09 | phs | shimano55: do you require a firewall? |
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| 21:25.21 | shimano55 | phs, no...but I can't seem to connect to it... |
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| 21:25.44 | anto9us | phs: his wlan0 has been issued an ip via dhclient but he can't ping his router |
| 21:25.55 | gothtec | "/opt/JBuilderX/bin/jbuilder: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" What do I need to install to avoid this error? "apt-cache search libstdc" returns a bunch of results... |
| 21:26.13 | Fo | hmm, does anybody remember what was the console tool to configure my mouse ? something g... |
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| 21:26.32 | shingouz | Fo: gpmconf (or was it config...) |
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| 21:26.40 | phs | shimano55: does 'iptables --list' shows rules or default policies set to drop? |
| 21:26.43 | Fo | shingouz : thx |
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| 21:27.07 | shingouz | Fo: dpkg-reconfigure gpm should also work |
| 21:27.22 | resiak | gothtec: ...so look through the bunch of results? |
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| 21:29.05 | gothtec | resiak: I've done that, and I don't know which one to install |
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| 21:30.22 | resiak | gothtec: Nor do I, TBH. Why not ask the JBuilder folks? |
| 21:31.25 | gothtec | resiak: well, my error message says what I need. I just need someone who can understand it. I'm not sure which package contains the libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 it's asking for |
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| 21:33.17 | valdyn | !find libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 21:33.30 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3' returned no results. |
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| 21:35.38 | scarynetworkguy | valdyn: dpkg -l *libstdc* |
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| 21:35.53 | valdyn | scarynetworkguy: yea i know |
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| 21:36.40 | denon | anyone know why debian would seemingly ignore it's swap? Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 152712k cached |
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| 21:37.04 | Cyis | denon: how much RAM do you have? |
| 21:37.10 | shingouz | denon: How much do you have ram there, it might be that you do not need swap at the moment |
| 21:37.11 | denon | in fstab, I have: /dev/sda2 none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 21:37.21 | scarynetworkguy | denon: Are you out of physical memory? |
| 21:37.32 | denon | but wouldnt it show free? |
| 21:37.38 | valdyn | gothtec: create a symlink /usr/local/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 to the appropriate libstdc++ in /usr/lib/ from the packages libstdc++5 or libstdc++6 |
| 21:37.45 | Cyis | denon: the system will not use swap until it needs to ... so if you have enough RAM it won't touch swap |
| 21:37.53 | denon | I was getting out of memory errors on the console .. |
| 21:37.53 | valdyn | gothtec: which of both i cant tell |
| 21:37.57 | chealer | is there a RC bugs list for sarge? |
| 21:38.00 | denon | had 512, bumped it up to 768 |
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| 21:38.20 | valdyn | gothtec: after that, make sure /usr/local/lib/ is in /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig |
| 21:38.24 | shingouz | denon: Gee... uhh... do you have a lot of apps open at the moment? |
| 21:38.40 | streuner | chealer: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 21:38.49 | chealer | streuner: but one only for sarge? |
| 21:38.54 | denon | well, its a small server .. define "a lot" |
| 21:39.32 | denon | ps aux | wc -l |
| 21:39.32 | denon | 69 |
| 21:39.37 | shingouz | denon: With the kind of ram you have there we are tallking multiple users and something like a database running with most of the entries in ram |
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| 21:40.07 | shingouz | denon: In other words I think you do not need the swap at the moment |
| 21:40.10 | denon | shingouz: it's a backup server - all it does is run dump and compression routines all day |
| 21:40.18 | Cyis | denon: 'ps aux |wc -l' returns 89 fo rme and I only show 744 of my swap used with 512MB RAM |
| 21:40.36 | denon | shingouz: so it wont show "Free", until I am using swap? |
| 21:40.52 | valdyn | denon: linux never has ram free short after startup |
| 21:41.02 | denon | valdyn: swap |
| 21:41.17 | denon | Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 152712k cached |
| 21:41.28 | shingouz | denon: I do not know, I am still a bit n00b here |
| 21:41.34 | valdyn | denon: yea that is right |
| 21:41.45 | valdyn | denon: 0 available -> 0 free |
| 21:41.56 | denon | and none is available until it needs it, huh? |
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| 21:42.43 | valdyn | denon: you just have any swap activated |
| 21:42.49 | valdyn | denon: you just dont have any swap activated |
| 21:43.14 | denon | activated as in something it will do when it needs it? or is my swap setup incorrectly? |
| 21:43.15 | karsten | jazzanova: Still here? |
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| 21:43.35 | shingouz | denon: Try swapon |
| 21:43.35 | karsten | jazzanova: awk '{ if ( $1 != "Package:" ) next; package = $2; getline; if ( $1 = "Status:" ) { if ( $4 != "installed" ) next; else status = $4; }; getline; getline; getline; printf( "%s %s %s\n", $2, package, status ) }' /var/lib/dpkg/status | sort -nr | less |
| 21:43.36 | valdyn | denon: swap space is listed in /etc/fstab |
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| 21:43.51 | denon | valdyn: yes, I know - I pasted my fstab entry above |
| 21:43.52 | valdyn | denon: try "swapon -a", if nothing changes, you have no swap space |
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| 21:44.24 | denon | huh. |
| 21:44.25 | denon | swapon: /dev/sda2: Invalid argument |
| 21:44.29 | karsten | denon: ...or 'fdisk -l | grep swap' (as root) |
| 21:44.46 | karsten | denon: Will show your swap partitions on disk. |
| 21:44.49 | denon | /dev/sda2 2433 2627 1566337+ 82 Linux swap |
| 21:45.03 | karsten | denon: 'sudo mkswap /dev/sda2' |
| 21:45.11 | karsten | denon: ...then: 'swapon /dev/sda2' |
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| 21:45.25 | denon | whee |
| 21:45.42 | denon | that looks much better, thank you very much' |
| 21:45.50 | denon | Swap: 1566328k total, 0k used, 1566328k free, 577804k cached |
| 21:45.59 | usn | hi folx |
| 21:46.22 | karsten | denon: To use swap (automatically) you've got to: 1) create the partition (fdisk) 2) initialize swap on it (mkswap) 3) specify it in your fstab. |
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| 21:46.25 | karsten | denon: Right. |
| 21:46.36 | denon | karsten: yeah, I just assumed the installer took care of it for me |
| 21:46.50 | denon | bad assumption, just glad I caught it looking around before it went into prod |
| 21:46.56 | karsten | denon: Only if you set it up right. |
| 21:47.03 | valdyn | denon: it normally does. you probably selected not to initialize it |
| 21:47.08 | denon | karsten: I made the mistake of relying on the auto stuff :) |
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| 21:47.38 | denon | lazy admins get what they give :) |
| 21:48.07 | karsten | denon: Trust, but verify. |
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| 21:49.42 | streuner | chealer: it should be the sarge one, because sid wouldn't be stable in the future... |
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| 21:50.02 | karljp | can anyone tell me the difference between a .so.X and a .so.Y? |
| 21:50.09 | karsten | karljp: Yes. |
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| 21:51.24 | karsten | !tell karljp about smart questions |
| 21:51.43 | karljp | don't bother |
| 21:51.48 | karljp | I can read ESR as well as you can. |
| 21:51.58 | karsten | karljp: What are the specific files in question? |
| 21:52.07 | karljp | at this point none. |
| 21:52.14 | mwilson | grrr |
| 21:52.16 | streuner | chealer: "Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 96" |
| 21:52.16 | karljp | I'm curious why there are often links from one to another |
| 21:52.28 | karljp | and why something would look for .X or .Y |
| 21:52.39 | karljp | if linking from to the other works, why do they need the suffix at all? |
| 21:53.03 | karsten | karljp: Eg: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2004-06-29 11:27 libdb2.so.2 -> libdb2.so.2.7.7 |
| 21:53.06 | karsten | karljp: ... ? |
| 21:53.17 | jme | hmm |
| 21:53.17 | karsten | karljp: (/lib, btw) |
| 21:53.21 | karljp | that sort of link I can understand |
| 21:53.25 | jme | apparently fglrx doesn't play nice with 2.6.11 yet |
| 21:53.28 | karljp | it poitns from a general version to a specific version |
| 21:53.28 | jme | i forgot about that |
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| 21:53.42 | karsten | karljp: Yes. I repeat my smart questions. What do you mean? |
| 21:53.43 | karljp | but that's from so.X to so.X.y.z |
| 21:53.55 | karljp | alright, fine, they're just versions. |
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| 21:56.34 | codebyte | Hello, I need to upgrade from libglu1-mesa to xlibmesa-glu, but if I try to do so, it will uninstall libglu1 and half of my system. How can I proceed ? |
| 21:57.20 | karsten | codebyte: apt-cache or aptitude will show you the package relationships, dependencies, and conflicts. |
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| 21:58.38 | codebyte | karsten: it has libglu1-mesa as a dependency, and nearly all KDE as well as many X packages depends on liblglu1. I need to upgrade since this package is broken, libGLU isn't present on the system |
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| 21:59.12 | pipeline | codebyte: Let it uninstall half your system. It's not going to delete the configurations or anything. |
| 21:59.19 | pipeline | codebyte: Alternatively, do a "dist-upgrade" |
| 21:59.23 | Fo | codebyte : did you tried just apt-get install xlibmesa-glu ? |
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| 21:59.50 | paddyez | hi |
| 22:00.17 | codebyte | Fo: i did, and then it wants to remove half the sys. So, shall I let it do so ? |
| 22:00.22 | karsten | codebyte: Broken in what release? stable / testing / unstable ? |
| 22:00.24 | paddyez | is there a good diff tool with color highlighting? |
| 22:00.28 | codebyte | karsten: SID |
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| 22:00.33 | paddyez | for text only |
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| 22:00.50 | tzafrir | paddyez, vim? |
| 22:01.00 | tzafrir | diff -u |vim - |
| 22:01.14 | paddyez | tzafrir: thanx |
| 22:01.26 | Fo | codebyte : oh, sid is a challenge ( for me ) so dont know how to help you |
| 22:02.22 | paulswm | codebyte: libglu1-mesa and xlibmesa-glu are mutually exclusive in sarge as well as sid, they both provide libglu1 so that means one or the other AFAIK |
| 22:02.23 | codebyte | pipeline: ok, then i'll let it remove all the packages, then i'll reinstall them. no alternative solution ? |
| 22:03.00 | paddyez | tzafrir: how do I do it for two files? |
| 22:03.01 | chealer | streuner: yeah, I was wondering if there was a way to see those bugs, but I guess not |
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| 22:03.17 | tzafrir | paddyez, diff -u file1 file2 |vim - |
| 22:03.32 | paddyez | tzafrir: thanx asnain ;-) |
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| 22:03.49 | codebyte | paulswm: no libGLU is present on my system, apt-get bugreport tells that indeed the package is broken. However, glxinfo won't run, but glxgears will. |
| 22:03.56 | tzafrir | paddyez, if you want to compare a whole directory tree, there's a nice DirDiff vim plugin in vim.org |
| 22:04.03 | Techdeck | what do I need to dpkg-reconfigure to get to the screen where you choose what kind of interface to use to configure packages? (Dialog .. KDE.. etc)? |
| 22:04.23 | tzafrir | debconf? |
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| 22:04.48 | jair_11 | how could I configure my kernel to do this on the acpi? http://pastebin.com/278332 |
| 22:05.07 | Techdeck | great, thanks tzafrir |
| 22:05.11 | jair_11 | I am trying to follow the how-to on the tuxmobil.org web site |
| 22:05.16 | paddyez | tzafrir: I think that is just fine great exactly what I needed |
| 22:05.23 | jair_11 | I need to configure the kernel but not IDEa |
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| 22:06.05 | jair_11 | http://pastebin.com/278424 |
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| 22:06.14 | jair_11 | this is what I have to make it look. |
| 22:06.53 | jair_11 | http://pastebin.com/278424 |
| 22:07.11 | jair_11 | anyone here with a laptop? |
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| 22:07.15 | paddyez | tzafrir: can it highlight the exact change somehow? |
| 22:07.32 | jair_11 | I want to configure my ACPI on a R51 laptop IBM |
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| 22:07.55 | tzafrir | paddyez, for that I normally use vimdiff |
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| 22:08.10 | tzafrir | I don't know of a better way from the command-line |
| 22:08.38 | paddyez | tzafrir: OK I read the man sec |
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| 22:09.31 | paddyez | tzafrir: that is even better :--))) |
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| 22:11.21 | paddyez | tzafrir: the only thing is it does not wrap long lines |
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| 22:11.44 | paddyez | tzafrir: it is great thoug |
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| 22:12.12 | jair_11 | I am trying to change a configuration in my kernel, I have the information that have to be change it but I do'nt know what to use? text editor? |
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| 22:12.38 | jair_11 | this is the instructions?http://pastebin.com/278424 |
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| 22:12.46 | jair_11 | but I don't know how to? |
| 22:12.56 | jair_11 | pipeline, are you busy? |
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| 22:13.28 | drac | You could stop repeating.. and /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:13.36 | Pendragon | Ok, here is a wack problem, A server we put into a business had an IP, |
| 22:13.57 | Pendragon | I know what it was, but it appears, the IP has changed, |
| 22:14.13 | Pendragon | I have the ip of one of the other computers there in the business |
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| 22:14.27 | Pendragon | the other computer there is running winxp |
| 22:14.44 | drac | Ask your local admin wtf the IP is? |
| 22:14.48 | Pendragon | what tool do I use to find out the IP's of the other boxes? |
| 22:15.16 | Pendragon | I am the local admin, it is a small business we sold a server to, and the damn ip switched on our box |
| 22:15.26 | Pendragon | for some reason our boxes didn't update the info |
| 22:15.36 | epsilon | regexp question, cat 'ab cd' | sed s/[b-z[:blank:]]// <- this sed doesn't replace anything, where is the error? |
| 22:15.45 | Pendragon | so now the IP I have goes to one of their xp boxes |
| 22:15.54 | scarynetworkguy | Pendragon: Then you go there and log on and ask it what it's IP is. |
| 22:16.07 | epsilon | es, cat 'ab cd' | sed s/[b-z[:blank:]]*// |
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| 22:16.23 | mwilson | "switched"? If it's a "server", why doesn't it have a static IP? |
| 22:16.35 | caphuso | epsilon: sed doesn't understand [:blank:] |
| 22:16.37 | Pendragon | I might have to, it is a hell of a drive though, I was tring to figure out some tools like iptraf or something that might save me the trip |
| 22:16.59 | epsilon | caphuso: and how do I replace space? |
| 22:16.59 | rob_lt | Does anyone here have a suggestion for drawing schematic diagrams to be included in latex or OOo documents? I don't need simulation, just drawing? I'd like to use inkscape, but can't find a schematics svg library. |
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| 22:17.10 | tweak | what is the file that is like resolve or something that I put my dns IPS? |
| 22:17.13 | mwilson | xfig? |
| 22:17.17 | jair_11 | drac, I have a problem with my acpi, the laptop I have do not turn off colpmete when I run the command turn off, or halt, or shutdown -h now |
| 22:17.19 | mwilson | dia? |
| 22:17.30 | rob_lt | mwilson, I'll take a look at those, thanks. |
| 22:17.35 | caphuso | epsilon: [<space><ctrl-v><tab] |
| 22:17.38 | paddyez | tzafrir: got it :set wrap |
| 22:17.38 | jair_11 | drac, I found a how-to on tuxlinux.org |
| 22:17.47 | nse | I want gnutella2 support!!!!!! |
| 22:17.52 | dabreegster | tweak: /etc/resolve.conf? |
| 22:17.59 | scarynetworkguy | Pendragon: Of course there are and you should learn them. But there is too much of a chance that you are a kiddie so nobody sane will help you to do this on IRC. |
| 22:18.06 | dabreegster | nse: apt-cache search dumbass |
| 22:18.07 | tweak | dagreegster thanks |
| 22:18.16 | jair_11 | drac, it tells me something like change or put some settings on the kernel, and I am confuse |
| 22:18.25 | illustir | rob: i've been hearing good stuff about Metapost (for latex) |
| 22:18.33 | dabreegster | tweak: Have fun configuring somebody's box to load microsoft.com as something funny. :P |
| 22:18.45 | Pendragon | whatever, |
| 22:18.49 | drac | jair_11: Get kernel sources, unpack them, and run make menuconfig, make-kpkg kernel_image on them. This will require some documentation reading. |
| 22:19.05 | drac | jair_11: If the necessary pieces aren't there yet, check with modconf. |
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| 22:19.27 | jair_11 | drac, this is what the how -to tells me to do: http://pastebin.com/278428 |
| 22:19.38 | jair_11 | drac, I have to do all that you told me still? |
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| 22:19.54 | drac | jair_11: apt-get install modconf && modconf |
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| 22:20.05 | drac | Load those, if they are there. |
| 22:20.24 | jair_11 | drac, ohh what the mod config will do? |
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| 22:20.31 | nomed^ | is there a way to point temporary apt-cache show to an alternative Packages file? |
| 22:20.45 | drac | jair_11: Allows you to load and unload modules from your kernel, such as these ACPI modules. |
| 22:20.48 | dabreegster | nomed^: apt-version maybe |
| 22:20.53 | drac | jair_11: It's easy and simple to use. Try it. |
| 22:20.58 | dabreegster | nomed^: no, wait, hangon |
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| 22:21.29 | dabreegster | nomed^: dunno; nevermind, sorry |
| 22:21.42 | jair_11 | drac, ok |
| 22:21.51 | nomed^ | because apt-cache show uses Status file .. but i need (in a script) that it uses a file Packages dowloaded from a mirror |
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| 22:22.21 | jair_11 | drac, the command && modconf will create a directory with that name? |
| 22:22.30 | Skrot | What DHCP client does Debian usually ship with? |
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| 22:22.54 | streuner | Skrot: dhclient |
| 22:22.55 | jair_11 | drac, install it and then run it? |
| 22:22.59 | jair_11 | right? |
| 22:23.04 | drac | right. |
| 22:23.07 | jair_11 | cool |
| 22:23.09 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 22:23.12 | Skrot | streuner: Is usgae "dhclient <interface>"? |
| 22:23.25 | streuner | Skrot: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
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| 22:25.34 | madclicker | how do i enable mysql support in php4? |
| 22:26.01 | paddyez | cu |
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| 22:27.20 | char1iecha1k | is there a faq for installing debian with sata drives? or can some1 help me |
| 22:27.30 | jair_11 | drac, before choose the modules, for kernel/drivers/acpi, I shuld do "apt-get install acpi and acpid? |
| 22:28.00 | jair_11 | drac, or I can do it after? |
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| 22:28.20 | BleSS | when is executed X -configure, which is the name of file got? /root/XF86Config.new ? |
| 22:28.36 | streuner | char1iecha1k: /msg dpkg sata |
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| 22:28.39 | streuner | char1iecha1k: /msg dpkg sata faq |
| 22:28.39 | bob2 | madclicker: by installing php4-mysql |
| 22:28.59 | drac | jair_11: Doesn't matter in what order you do that. |
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| 22:29.07 | char1iecha1k | thanks i will have a read |
| 22:30.10 | madclicker | bob2: i got hat installed already |
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| 22:30.37 | madclicker | bob2: do i need to edit somethings in /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini? |
| 22:30.58 | bob2 | no |
| 22:31.11 | bob2 | do you have php working in apache in general? |
| 22:31.51 | streuner | dpkg, no sata faq is <reply> http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 22:31.51 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 22:32.04 | madclicker | bob2: u tell me :) "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()" |
| 22:32.20 | bob2 | I don't do php |
| 22:32.30 | bob2 | if you haven't got it working at all, go do that |
| 22:32.36 | dabreegster | It's considered a sin in some communities. |
| 22:33.25 | error403 | I know this is probably a very common question, but am i overlooking something when installing Debian on a computer with an LCD screen, or is it usually a real pain? |
| 22:33.25 | madclicker | bob2: i belive php is working it's just php4-mysql not sure on |
| 22:33.40 | bob2 | "beleive" is not an answer |
| 22:33.41 | bob2 | go check |
| 22:33.48 | jair_11 | drac, cool thanks |
| 22:33.50 | bob2 | error403: it's usually fine |
| 22:33.55 | caphuso | programming php and playing sysadmin should be completely exclusive |
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| 22:33.59 | madclicker | bob2: i missed it, what do i check? |
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| 22:34.15 | onre | optimally, php should be forbidden |
| 22:34.19 | d03boy | how do I launch apps such as bittorrent after I apt-get install bittorrent? |
| 22:34.28 | dabreegster | error403: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose LCD |
| 22:34.50 | dabreegster | d03boy: well, run the command for the program installed. |
| 22:34.51 | error403 | dabreegster, from what command prompt? |
| 22:34.58 | error403 | after the installation? |
| 22:35.00 | madclicker | bob2: oh u mean if php is working with apache2 ...it does |
| 22:35.05 | dabreegster | error403: a console preferably. be sure to be root. and yes. |
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| 22:35.12 | dabreegster | error403: though it should run that during installation anyway |
| 22:35.18 | d03boy | how do I know what command it is? running 'bittorrent' doesnt work |
| 22:35.32 | deadcat | d03boy: dpkg -L bittorrent |
| 22:35.33 | caphuso | d03boy: dpkg -L packagename | pager |
| 22:35.37 | error403 | dabreegster, i have tried a few times, and every time i try, i get a "no screens found" error |
| 22:35.39 | dabreegster | d03boy: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/PACKAGENAME.list |
| 22:35.48 | deadcat | d03boy: its btdownloadcurses |
| 22:35.52 | d03boy | oh, thanks |
| 22:35.53 | dabreegster | error403: Dunno, sorry. |
| 22:35.55 | char1iecha1k | streuner, is there anything a bit easy to follow, i couldnt find anything there about installing debian on sata |
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| 22:36.45 | phogg | What's testing going to be called after sarge is released? |
| 22:36.54 | bob2 | phogg: etch |
| 22:37.02 | phogg | bob2: Thanks. |
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| 22:37.39 | streuner | char1iecha1k: do you use d-i (debian-installer)? |
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| 22:38.38 | jair_11 | drac, I have a R51 IBM laptop, I would like to have the "suspend" option for quick restore of the computer use, also I see the acpi for : "ac" "Battery" "fan" "processor" "thermal" "asus_acpi" "toshiba_acpi""button" |
| 22:38.50 | char1iecha1k | umm, i downloaded the binary installer is that what you are asking? |
| 22:38.54 | jair_11 | drac, I should get all execpt the toshiba ans asus ones? |
| 22:38.57 | shimano55 | anto9us, Ok...I'm connected...once I downloaded the wireless-tools wlan0 was in the Network GUI. |
| 22:39.01 | streuner | !d-i |
| 22:39.02 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 22:39.05 | BleSS | when is executed X -configure, which is the name of file got? /root/XF86Config.new ? |
| 22:39.17 | anto9us | cool, well done shimano55 :) |
| 22:39.18 | shingouz | jair_11: Get the Thinkpad modules too for that matter |
| 22:39.18 | streuner | char1iecha1k: that one? ^^^^ |
| 22:39.20 | drac | jair_11: I don't have a laptop myself, but still sounds about correct to me. |
| 22:39.31 | jair_11 | drac, cool |
| 22:39.33 | shimano55 | anto9us, Thank you, and thanks for your help. |
| 22:39.45 | jair_11 | shingouz, I do not see that model on the modconf options |
| 22:39.56 | anto9us | shimano55: what goes around comes around :) |
| 22:39.56 | shingouz | jair_11: apt-cache search thinkpad |
| 22:40.04 | jair_11 | shingouz, that option of thinkpad is not here |
| 22:40.11 | jair_11 | shingouz, ok |
| 22:40.15 | shimano55 | Question, If I downloaded Apache (not Apache2) what version of PHP do I need to download? |
| 22:40.17 | char1iecha1k | streuner, i havent tried that no |
| 22:40.24 | bob2 | shimano55: php4 |
| 22:40.31 | shimano55 | bob2, thanks |
| 22:40.38 | streuner | char1iecha1k: ok, just download the iso and burn it |
| 22:40.40 | drac | jair_11: What's your uname -r ? |
| 22:40.49 | shingouz | jair_11: Basically you need a custom kernel to get all the Thinkpad tools and modules there but it is worth it at least on the older thinkpads |
| 22:40.57 | anto9us | how do I force a reinstall of all gnome packages? |
| 22:41.15 | bob2 | anto9us: why? |
| 22:41.23 | jair_11 | drac, 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 22:41.40 | anto9us | bob2, gnome keeps playing up on me, panel or windows stop responding |
| 22:41.51 | anto9us | it's done it again now |
| 22:41.52 | jair_11 | shingouz, I have a brand new "R51" |
| 22:41.58 | bob2 | anto9us: how would reinstalling help? |
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| 22:42.07 | drac | jair_11: To get those missing pieces, apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 build-essential thinkpad-base thinkpad-source && m-a a-i thinkpad |
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| 22:42.11 | bob2 | anto9us: try creating a new user and see if they are affected |
| 22:42.14 | char1iecha1k | streuner, which one is the best to use |
| 22:42.17 | drac | jair_11: And they'll be in modconf after that line. |
| 22:42.26 | Mariele | hello ppl |
| 22:42.28 | anto9us | done that bob2, and yes, it was |
| 22:42.34 | shingouz | jair_11: Do you have to use some odd IBM utility to turn on the serial and infrared and other ports? If yes, you need the Thinkpad utilities and a matching kernel |
| 22:42.50 | streuner | char1iecha1k: /msg dpkg d-i , and use the 2.6.x kernel |
| 22:43.06 | anto9us | anyway, bob2, you know how to do it? |
| 22:43.13 | bob2 | you can't, easily |
| 22:43.18 | bob2 | and I'd be amazed if it helped |
| 22:43.47 | jair_11 | shingouz, this IBM do not come with bluethoot |
| 22:44.11 | char1iecha1k | streuner, im at that page, do i need the netisnt or fullcd? i have already got several cds i already downloade |
| 22:44.18 | resiak | anto9us: What version of Debian and Gnome are you using? |
| 22:44.33 | streuner | char1iecha1k: netinstall |
| 22:44.37 | shingouz | jair_11: That is not what I said. I said that if you have to enable all kinds of functions with software on the laptop under wWindows you need to have a Thinkpad kernel and the utilities on linux to be able to do the same thing |
| 22:44.49 | char1iecha1k | streuner, i will give it a go thanks for your help |
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| 22:44.54 | anto9us | resiak: sarge and 2.8 |
| 22:44.56 | streuner | char1iecha1k: have fun |
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| 22:45.15 | resiak | anto9us: Have you been messing with stuff outside of /home? |
| 22:45.28 | anto9us | resiak, yes |
| 22:45.35 | resiak | anto9us: What have you done? |
| 22:45.39 | shingouz | darkphoenix939: JaS? |
| 22:45.46 | darkphoenix939 | yes |
| 22:45.56 | anto9us | I installed pgadmin3 from the unstable source |
| 22:45.58 | shingouz | w00f® |
| 22:46.06 | resiak | anto9us: That's not what I mean... Is that when this all started? |
| 22:46.08 | darkphoenix939 | whos this? |
| 22:46.23 | shingouz | darkphoenix939: You do not recognize the w00f®? |
| 22:46.29 | anto9us | it required wxgtk2.5.3 |
| 22:46.34 | anto9us | which I installed too |
| 22:46.45 | darkphoenix939 | i remember som1 barking at me the other day |
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| 22:47.00 | resiak | anto9us: ...and? |
| 22:47.00 | darkphoenix939 | thats all i remember dont remember who |
| 22:47.17 | resiak | anto9us: Anyway, since you want to reinstall Gnome, allegedly, /msg dpkg remove gnome and do what he says, then go reinstall it all. |
| 22:47.30 | shingouz | darkphoenix939: Not quite the other day but... Unless you have moved from FL to OH I guess I am mistaken |
| 22:47.38 | resiak | anto9us: Oh, and if you're talking to someone, prefix what you say with their nick. And don't use enter rather than a comma. |
| 22:47.49 | darkphoenix939 | im in OH |
| 22:48.07 | fido | darkphoenix939: Does this help? |
| 22:48.11 | anto9us | not all thoughts occur to people all at once resiak, thanks for your tip though :) |
| 22:48.18 | jair_11 | shingouz, you mean to use the bottons on the front of the keyboard pad to lower and higer the volume? |
| 22:48.18 | darkphoenix939 | nop :P |
| 22:48.27 | jair_11 | shingouz, and that kind of stuff |
| 22:48.39 | jair_11 | drac, it is downloading all the packages |
| 22:48.44 | darkphoenix939 | im having trouble with a kernel i compiled |
| 22:48.56 | jair_11 | drac, and after it finish I will have to run again the modconf right? |
| 22:49.05 | darkphoenix939 | when i try to boot it gives me a kernel panic |
| 22:49.13 | resiak | anto9us: That's really not a good reason for hitting enter after every three words. |
| 22:49.16 | darkphoenix939 | let me type in flood the lines that it gives me |
| 22:49.28 | shingouz | darkphoenix939: In that case I made a mistake. Sorry :) |
| 22:49.33 | resiak | anto9us: 23:46 < anto9us> it required wxgtk2.5.3 23:46 < anto9us> which I installed too Can you really say that those two didn't occur to you concurrently? :) |
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| 22:50.41 | darkphoenix939 | oki |
| 22:50.42 | anto9us | resiak: yes |
| 22:51.05 | shingouz | jair_11: No, I mean the Windows utility that came with the laptop in the first place |
| 22:51.20 | bob2 | darkphoenix939: don't build your own kernel |
| 22:51.30 | resiak | anto9us: ...even more reason to not just hit enter wildly. |
| 22:51.30 | darkphoenix939 | why not? |
| 22:51.41 | anto9us | resiak: I don't |
| 22:52.04 | darkphoenix939 | it was from the kernel-source i got from synaptic |
| 22:52.15 | darkphoenix939 | and used the kernel-packages thing |
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| 22:52.58 | bob2 | darkphoenix939: because there's no need to |
| 22:53.06 | bob2 | and you're doing it wrong |
| 22:53.25 | darkphoenix939 | i need to build a kernel module tho for my webcam |
| 22:53.29 | bob2 | so |
| 22:53.35 | bob2 | why are you building a kernel? |
| 22:53.35 | darkphoenix939 | how can i do that without the source and the kernel running |
| 22:53.42 | bob2 | ... |
| 22:53.55 | bob2 | install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:54.01 | jair_11 | shingouz, ok yes, I would like to do all the functions that the windows one did when I was using the laptop |
| 22:54.24 | jair_11 | shingouz, I did donwload the other packages listed on the channe |
| 22:54.26 | jair_11 | channel |
| 22:54.36 | kingsley_ | darkphoenix939: I suggest searching Google's archives for error messages, especially the one you pasted into #flood. |
| 22:54.46 | darkphoenix939 | ok |
| 22:54.49 | shingouz | jair_11: In that case apt-cache search thinkpad. Compile your own kernel but making a custom kernel is not the easiest thing to do so... well... |
| 22:54.56 | kingsley_ | darkphoenix939: For example, Google led me to http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=8&threadid=312484 |
| 22:55.04 | jair_11 | shingouz, ohhh ok |
| 22:55.12 | jair_11 | I will ahve to compile my own kernel |
| 22:55.16 | jair_11 | wow |
| 22:55.44 | shingouz | jair_11: I am multitasking here so I didnt check what others they were. The Thinkpad modules are not for suspend or hibernate though, they are just l337 additional functions like shutting down the serial or IrDA |
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| 22:57.48 | Fluten | i just bought a pcmcia - compact flash adapter, and plugged it into my laptop running debian |
| 22:57.55 | darkphoenix939 | ok i will go there |
| 22:57.57 | darkphoenix939 | ty |
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| 22:58.00 | Fluten | when i do "cardctl ident", it gives me info on it |
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| 22:58.09 | Fluten | except i can't figure out what device i would have to mount it on |
| 22:58.22 | shingouz | Fluten: Make it easier on our eyes by not using the enter that often ;) |
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| 22:58.29 | vpr | hi |
| 22:58.41 | vpr | in nano does anyone know how to goto a line? |
| 22:58.47 | shingouz | Fluten: Usually it is a plain IDE drive. Make a mountpoint for it and mount as vfat |
| 22:58.48 | jair_11 | shingouz, danke |
| 22:59.02 | shingouz | jair_11: Var så god |
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| 22:59.23 | jazzanova | how can i remove unneedeed locales in /usr/share/locale ? |
| 22:59.35 | jazzanova | i only want the ones for english and russian |
| 22:59.57 | njubee | one should easely upgrade kernel with 'apt-get install kernel-version' ? |
| 23:00.08 | shingouz | jazzanova: dpkg-reconfigure locales and after that I believe just a selective rm is in order |
| 23:00.19 | citral | njubee: kernel-image-version |
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| 23:00.42 | jazzanova | ok, but these locales came from other software packages, right ? |
| 23:00.58 | citral | no there's a real conmmand to purge the unuseful locales, google will know |
| 23:00.59 | jazzanova | when i would want to remove them, is theere going to be anerror ? |
| 23:01.00 | Fluten | shingouz, i tried hda1-hde1, but doesn't seem to find it |
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| 23:01.41 | jair_11 | shingouz, thank you very much |
| 23:01.42 | kingsley_ | vpr: nano's help keys, ^g, reveals that F13 or ^_ can be used to move the cursor to a certain line number. |
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| 23:01.53 | shingouz | Fluten: dmesg should have some information on it and when it comes to the actual partition, fdisk -l |
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| 23:02.32 | shingouz | jair_11: As I said: Var så god ;) |
| 23:02.42 | shingouz | (You're welcome in Swedish) |
| 23:02.45 | Fluten | shingouz, only prints out information about hda |
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| 23:02.55 | shingouz | Fluten: man fdisk |
| 23:03.00 | jazzanova | localepurge |
| 23:03.00 | Fluten | shingouz, or do i havet o give something after the l? |
| 23:03.04 | firefly2442 | I just did an apt-get upgrade the other day and now my network doesn't seem to work, was there a bug? |
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| 23:03.25 | jair_11 | shingouz, nice |
| 23:03.38 | shingouz | :) |
| 23:04.00 | jair_11 | shingouz, are you in europe now? |
| 23:04.03 | shingouz | Fluten: Read the man page. fdisk -l /dev/whatever |
| 23:04.11 | madclicker | am having trouble with https connections and apache2 it tells me "The connection was refused" |
| 23:04.13 | shingouz | jair_11: Yes, poor me :( |
| 23:04.22 | jair_11 | why ? I envy you. |
| 23:04.33 | jair_11 | shingouz, where ? sweeden? |
| 23:04.34 | firefly2442 | madclicker: port not open? |
| 23:04.35 | shingouz | jair_11: You have no idea.... |
| 23:04.40 | jair_11 | why? |
| 23:04.40 | shingouz | jair_11: fi |
| 23:04.51 | shingouz | jair_11: Do not even get me started :) |
| 23:04.55 | jair_11 | ohhh close to sweeden |
| 23:05.25 | jair_11 | shingouz, ok |
| 23:05.30 | jazzanova | thanks guys |
| 23:05.42 | shingouz | jair_11: I could make your hair fall off with a few nice stories about this place. Let it suffice when I say I absolutely fscking hate being here |
| 23:05.46 | jair_11 | shingouz, I meet a girl fron Fin.. last week very interesting |
| 23:05.47 | madclicker | firefly2442: i got no firewalls running |
| 23:06.03 | shingouz | jair_11: apt-get install booze and see what happens ;) |
| 23:06.07 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 23:06.20 | jair_11 | shingouz, so you are from US originally? |
| 23:06.21 | firefly2442 | madclicker: it says this when you try to connect locally? |
| 23:06.27 | shingouz | jair_11: Will be the first time in your life you see someone getting stoned on booze |
| 23:06.32 | shingouz | jair_11: Yup |
| 23:06.43 | jair_11 | ohh ok |
| 23:06.49 | jair_11 | wow |
| 23:06.58 | madclicker | firefly2442: externally |
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| 23:07.12 | shingouz | Don't ask, I do not know myself, jair_11 :) |
| 23:07.25 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 23:07.26 | firefly2442 | madclicker: can you ping it? |
| 23:07.45 | firefly2442 | madclicker: if not then it's probably a network issue |
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| 23:07.48 | jair_11 | shingouz, I like sweeden girls, at least how they look, very very blond interesting |
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| 23:08.10 | shingouz | jair_11: Yes, they are very cute that is for sure |
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| 23:09.54 | Anthro | Shouldn't sysv-rc conflict with sysvinit? |
| 23:10.02 | streuner | yes |
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| 23:10.25 | jair_11 | shingouz, I get an error ehere I think I need to install something: |
| 23:10.51 | jair_11 | shingouz, FATAL: Module thinkpadpm not fount |
| 23:11.13 | jair_11 | shingouz, FATAL: Module rtcmosram not found |
| 23:11.28 | jair_11 | shingouz, FATAL: Module superio not found |
| 23:11.38 | shingouz | jair_11: Need the custom kernel, man |
| 23:11.45 | jair_11 | hmmm |
| 23:11.50 | jair_11 | how could I do that |
| 23:12.04 | jair_11 | all I was trying to do is have the acpi works |
| 23:12.21 | cafuego | modprobe acpi |
| 23:12.42 | js_ | is there a good program that notices some type of hardware failure and sends an email to me about it? |
| 23:12.59 | shingouz | jair_11: The Thinkpad modules are *not* needed for ACPI, as I said they are just real l337 tools to get some more functions out of the hardware |
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| 23:13.22 | cafuego | js_: There's 'sensord' for fans and smartmontools for disks |
| 23:13.40 | js_ | ok, thanks |
| 23:14.11 | devserve | jair_11: use make-kpkg... get kernel source... use --initrd to give you a better chance of mounting / when you boot |
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| 23:14.30 | devserve | or if you -know- what controller you have... |
| 23:15.02 | shingouz | jair_11: If you ask me, I'd stay off the initrd and just compile the drivers needed for the / filesystem statically |
| 23:15.10 | devserve | compile that and the / filesystemtype driver |
| 23:15.34 | devserve | into the kernel (not as modules that is) |
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| 23:16.25 | devserve | initrd is nicer if you don't know, or you intend to use the same kernel image on a different machine |
| 23:16.46 | jair_11 | shingouz, so I do not need this: use make-kpkg... get kernel source... use --initrd to give you a better chance of mounting / when you boot to have acpi support? |
| 23:17.10 | devserve | "need" is a striong word here |
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| 23:17.37 | shingouz | jair_11: You need kpkg that is for sure but not the --initrd part if you go with static drivers for the chipset, ide controller and / filesystem |
| 23:17.45 | deefzi | which is the logfile where debian saves it's bootups output? i mean all the messages it gives on the screen while booting the system up |
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| 23:18.06 | devserve | make-kpkg will build the kernel just like normal... then make a .deb file as a result which you install after it's buiilt |
| 23:18.06 | MrKeuner | hi, is it possible to have a user who can add additional users but not root users? |
| 23:18.13 | dabreegster | deefzi: dmesg reveals most of em |
| 23:18.18 | chealer | deefzi: none, but dmesg shows a good number |
| 23:18.25 | dabreegster | deefzi: also check /var/log/ |
| 23:18.34 | adjacent | MrKeuner: look up groups. and permissions. google is your friend |
| 23:18.42 | dabreegster | MrKeuner: you could mess around with sudo |
| 23:18.48 | bob2 | MrKeuner: give them sudo access to the adduser command |
| 23:18.56 | adjacent | sudo is a great idea |
| 23:18.57 | bob2 | MrKeuner: tho then they could add users with uid 0 |
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| 23:19.10 | devserve | dabreegster: possible? yeah. but you might need to change things, maybe in pam.d, maybe even change the source of certain things and rebuild |
| 23:19.11 | MrKeuner | yep that's the problem |
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| 23:19.47 | bob2 | so make a wrapper script that doesn't let them use the uid option |
| 23:19.59 | firefly2442 | if MTA: exim4 hangs at boot, is it ok to disable it from starting or is it really necessary? |
| 23:20.06 | devserve | or a wrapper binary executable |
| 23:20.13 | devserve | (which would be more secure) |
| 23:20.26 | MrKeuner | bob2/ but the wrapeer script will work as root which I wouldn't like if possible... |
| 23:21.02 | devserve | MrKeuner: you would have a LOT of things to change if you -really- want to do that. |
| 23:21.23 | bob2 | firefly2442: you should fix it |
| 23:21.28 | bob2 | but you probably don't care |
| 23:21.36 | devserve | you'd have to come up with a permission system that works for that |
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| 23:21.58 | firefly2442 | I set it up so it's just local but it seems to hang for some reason |
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| 23:22.14 | MrKeuner | devserve/ you mean linux permission system does not work that way, right? |
| 23:22.39 | deefzi | dabreegster, yea. checked it but it didn't show me what it was whining from. anyway. gotta check later tomorrow as also a prob with booting |
| 23:22.46 | devserve | firefly2442: most likely cause: looking up a dns address from a standpoint of no dns server available at the time it starts... |
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| 23:22.55 | devserve | you could run a dns on the box |
| 23:23.04 | adjacent | MrKeuner: why not use a virtual linux box, and just give the user admin root? |
| 23:23.18 | firefly2442 | ahhh ok |
| 23:23.28 | firefly2442 | I'll check out the DNS, thanks |
| 23:23.30 | devserve | MrKeuner: no, not saying that... I'm saying he would have to author the permissions appropriately |
| 23:24.02 | devserve | firefly2442: most likely, you need to make sure the dns server reports the machine it's on as some name |
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| 23:25.02 | devserve | devserve: so you have an internal net, yes? |
| 23:25.12 | devserve | err oops |
| 23:25.22 | devserve | that was to firefly2442 |
| 23:26.51 | devserve | firefly2442, so you have an internal net, yes? |
| 23:26.54 | Hellkat | i am having problems getting my Realtek RTL-8139 ethernet card, it works great on 2.4, but when i try to boot with 2.6, it says that it doesnt recognize it. what do i di? |
| 23:27.09 | jair_11 | my computer install already the packages of acpi and acpdi, and when i turn it off the battery and fan keeps running? |
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| 23:27.14 | streuner | !rtl8139 |
| 23:27.14 | dpkg | i guess rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
| 23:27.16 | pipeline | Hellkat: tried the 8139too driver? |
| 23:27.20 | bob2 | Hellkat: load the 8139too module |
| 23:27.23 | jair_11 | it do not shut down completly |
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| 23:27.27 | drac | Hellkat: modprobe 8139too && modprobe8139cp |
| 23:27.41 | jair_11 | I install the packages acpi and acpid |
| 23:27.50 | cafuego | drac: || not && |
| 23:28.04 | pipeline | Hellkat: Also, I strongly suggest you get a new NIC. The RTL8139 series is a really, really, really bad chip. Probably the second or third worst ever made, depending on whether you consider the RTL8129 to be one notch worse or one notch better. |
| 23:28.06 | drac | cafuego: ok :) |
| 23:28.09 | devserve | jair_11: rebuilt your kernel yet? |
| 23:28.11 | Hellkat | its a laptop. |
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| 23:28.23 | challenged | so lets just say i wanted something like crystal reports for linux....any names spring to mind? |
| 23:28.27 | pipeline | Hellkat: Get a PCMCIA 3com, then. They're only 10-20$ on ebay. |
| 23:28.32 | jair_11 | drac, I install the packages you told me now it appears that is installed the fan, thermal, ... etc. |
| 23:28.39 | shimano55 | Question: I downloaded php4, mysql-server, and apache, along with all the packages that Syaptic said those were dependant on, but when I go to http://localhost it tells me I'm downloading a phtml file, and if I go to index.php, it asks me if I want to download it..can someone help me? |
| 23:28.41 | jair_11 | devserve, how my friend? |
| 23:28.42 | shingouz | Hellkat: 3Com pwnz :) |
| 23:28.43 | pipeline | challenged: Install windows, and use crystal reports. Nothing comes close. |
| 23:28.49 | Hellkat | thanks |
| 23:28.56 | jazzanova | how do list installed packages by full name, dpkg -l cuts them short |
| 23:29.00 | Hellkat | i will do. |
| 23:29.03 | devserve | jair_11: -that- is a very long story |
| 23:29.10 | drac | jair_11: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 23:29.12 | drac | err |
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| 23:29.15 | pipeline | Hellkat: by the way, regular PCI NICs are even cheaper on ebay. There's no reason to use anything BUT 3com or Intel ethernet anymore. |
| 23:29.15 | drac | jazzanova: that was for you |
| 23:29.29 | jazzanova | drac: ah, thanhks :) |
| 23:29.29 | Hellkat | ok |
| 23:29.30 | si|vercat | shimano55: enable the php module in httpd.conf, and add .php extensions :P |
| 23:29.32 | Hellkat | thanks :) |
| 23:29.38 | shingouz | pipeline: *Are* there others? ;) |
| 23:29.54 | pipeline | shingouz: Eh, Intel NICs have never been unkind to me. |
| 23:29.58 | jair_11 | drac, ??? |
| 23:30.07 | drac | jair_11? |
| 23:30.18 | pipeline | shingouz: Also, Sun makes some damn good NICs if you have the money. |
| 23:30.21 | devserve | jair_11: that was mistaken post |
| 23:30.45 | Hellkat | also, i have a linksys wpc11 pcmcia card, and i cant get debian to recognize that i even have that, how would i do a modprobe? |
| 23:30.46 | pipeline | shingouz: You can handle 400 mbps of traffic with a Sun QFE in a pentium-1 class machine |
| 23:30.54 | jair_11 | drac, what is that? |
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| 23:30.58 | challenged | pipeline: cool thx.....gogo gadget vmware |
| 23:31.17 | devserve | jair_11: man dpkg, look for -l |
| 23:31.18 | pipeline | challenged: It might work in WINE. |
| 23:31.19 | jair_11 | drac, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 23:31.27 | pipeline | challenged: But there's nothing in the same ballpark made natively for linux |
| 23:31.29 | drac | jair_11: Nothing for you, my nick completion screwed me, that was ment for jazzanova. |
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| 23:31.38 | jazzanova | :) |
| 23:31.40 | jair_11 | drac, sorry |
| 23:31.50 | jair_11 | devserve, I get that info already |
| 23:31.57 | devserve | but still if you're curious you can find out :) |
| 23:32.12 | jair_11 | devserve, what I should find |
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| 23:32.31 | drac | rofl |
| 23:32.41 | devserve | for the dpkg thing? or for the kernel compile? |
| 23:33.07 | jair_11 | devserve, I just want to make this laptop, shutdown complete after I type the command shutdown -h or turnoff or halt. |
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| 23:33.16 | shingouz | pipeline: I am pulling your leg :) |
| 23:33.18 | devserve | if you've never done a kernel compile before, you're in for some reading |
| 23:33.24 | anacaona | hello all |
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| 23:33.43 | jair_11 | devserve, where I can go a read |
| 23:33.49 | anacaona | i just did a net install of debian |
| 23:33.56 | devserve | do you have kernel source? |
| 23:33.57 | jair_11 | devserve, you mean the source download make and makeinstall |
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| 23:34.04 | anacaona | i'm wondering what is it that keeps overwriting resolv.conf? |
| 23:34.07 | shimano55 | si|vercat, Where is httpd.conf located? |
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| 23:34.14 | dubean71 | HEY GUYS WANNA SEE MY UPTIME? IT IS 18:34:08 up 1 day, 5:49, 4 users, load average: 0.26, 0.29, 0.21 |
| 23:34.16 | dubean71 | HEY GUYS WANNA SEE MY UPTIME? IT IS 18:34:08 up 1 day, 5:49, 4 users, load average: 0.26, 0.29, 0.21 |
| 23:34.18 | dubean71 | HEY GUYS WANNA SEE MY UPTIME? IT IS 18:34:08 up 1 day, 5:49, 4 users, load average: 0.26, 0.29, 0.21 |
| 23:34.22 | devserve | anacaona: likely your dhcp client |
| 23:34.22 | idnar | oh boy |
| 23:34.24 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 23:34.26 | dubean71 | HEY GUYS WANNA SEE MY UPTIME? IT IS 18:34:17 up 1 day, 5:49, 4 users, load average: 0.24, 0.28, 0.21 |
| 23:34.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@adsl-209-30-20-152.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] by caphuso |
| 23:34.30 | adjacent | hehe |
| 23:34.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 23:34.33 | zahod | anacaona, man interfaces |
| 23:34.43 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 23:34.51 | idnar | .oO("HEY GUYS WANNA SEE HOW QUICKLY I GET BANNED?") |
| 23:34.54 | dabreegster | moron |
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| 23:35.02 | gteppel | I just recently went from stable to sid, uname -a returns "Linux whistler 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:29:52 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux". Previosly I was running iptables succesfully using its nat capabilites. However when I modprobe iptables_nat I get an error complaining about inserting ip_conctrack and ipitable_nat (Unknown symbol in module, etc...) lsmod shows that both of these are unloaded... however iptable_filter and ip_tables are both l |
| 23:35.04 | dabreegster | YES! |
| 23:35.24 | gteppel | *ip_conntrack and iptable_nat |
| 23:35.35 | resiak | gteppel: Truncated at "are both l"... |
| 23:35.54 | gteppel | are both loaded. Are these modules named differently? or non-existent on a Debian/sid system. Any help/direction would be appreciated, thanks!! |
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| 23:36.06 | sparr_w | you know that guy on tv that calls Dell just to see if they are there? thats not a joke, those people are real |
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| 23:38.06 | Fluten | does a kernel i use have to be compiled on the same machine as it's used? such as could i nfs over to a slower machine, and compile it on a faster machine? |
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| 23:38.38 | bbrazil | Fluten: no yes |
| 23:38.43 | devserve | where's that netcrashme thing? |
| 23:38.53 | devserve | some asshole is trying to get in |
| 23:39.04 | Fluten | what is netcrashme? |
| 23:39.19 | cafuego | devserve: iptables is your friend (-j MIRROR) |
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| 23:39.44 | gteppel | any ideas?? |
| 23:40.16 | devserve | cafuego: what does that do? and what would be the purpose? |
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| 23:40.38 | devserve | like ping sorta? |
| 23:40.51 | cafuego | devserve: the MIRROR target bounced packets back to the originator; they can hack their own machine that way. |
| 23:41.37 | mirak | is it possible to create a sparse file with dd ? |
| 23:41.46 | mirak | how do I create a sparse file ? |
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| 23:41.48 | shimano55 | si|vercat, You there? |
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| 23:42.10 | devserve | nice... and I probably have that target compiled... |
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| 23:43.03 | cartel_ | hey all |
| 23:43.11 | cartel_ | i want to install sarge on an athlon 64, doable? |
| 23:43.28 | shingouz | cartel_: Why not /msg dpkg d-i |
| 23:43.31 | devserve | his IP is 218.179.255.249... is there a way to find out if he's here? |
| 23:43.33 | avatraxiom | What sort of bot is dpkg? |
| 23:43.39 | avatraxiom | Does he speak the infobot protocol? |
| 23:43.42 | caphuso | avatraxiom: blootbot |
| 23:43.49 | devserve | dpkg: what sort of bot are you? |
| 23:43.49 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, devserve |
| 23:43.51 | avatraxiom | Huh, interesting. |
| 23:43.54 | Fluten | devserve, nmap? |
| 23:43.58 | shingouz | dpkg what are you |
| 23:43.59 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:44.04 | avatraxiom | Ahh. |
| 23:44.14 | adjacent | devserve: he isnt here |
| 23:44.17 | avatraxiom | dpkg: tell me about blootbot |
| 23:44.31 | cartel_ | shingouz: i see an entry for ia64 but not x86_64 |
| 23:44.32 | shingouz | avatraxiom: /msg dpkg foo |
| 23:44.36 | devserve | adjacent: why thank you :) not on any channel here, huh? |
| 23:44.39 | avatraxiom | shingouz: Yeah. :-) |
| 23:44.46 | systemadmin | antone use cheops/ |
| 23:44.51 | adjacent | devserve: not according to /who |
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| 23:45.29 | L00thar | !kill me |
| 23:45.35 | shimano55 | Question, How do I enable the PHP module and add .php to the extensions in httpd.conf? |
| 23:45.35 | *** part/#debian T_T (andres@201.254.73.31) |
| 23:45.47 | devserve | I think lilo might have weakened the power of /who and /whois |
| 23:45.49 | cafuego | cartel_: amd64 is not officically supported. |
| 23:45.58 | shingouz | cartel_: Hmm... I am not sure if the ia64 is what you want, I haven't got an Athlon 64 here nor do i have any other AMD cpu's |
| 23:45.59 | pipeline | shimano55: read the readme in /usr/share/doc/libapache-modphp or whatever. |
| 23:46.11 | systemadmin | what package is gtk-config in? |
| 23:46.13 | pipeline | shingouz, cartel_ : ia64 is only for Itanium 2 |
| 23:46.15 | cafuego | cartel_: Check alioth (debian-amd64.alioth.debia.org or use ia32. |
| 23:48.03 | devserve | would anyone here be able to translate this page: |
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| 23:48.06 | shingouz | pipeline: ok |
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| 23:48.13 | mwilson | systemadmin: libgtk1.2-dev, where it belongs. |
| 23:48.18 | devserve | http://pyon.tsubamail.net/swallow/page/login.jsp |
| 23:48.56 | systemadmin | mwilson, thanks |
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| 23:49.53 | devserve | why does nmap depend on gcc?! |
| 23:49.55 | linuxbomb | what is dpkg written in ? |
| 23:49.57 | mwilson | systemadmin: What GTK 1.x application is it that you think you're building? |
| 23:50.30 | devserve | n |
| 23:50.31 | mwilson | devserve: It doesn't. |
| 23:50.32 | bob2 | linuxbomb: C |
| 23:50.33 | systemadmin | mwilson cheops |
| 23:50.40 | devserve | mwilson: hmm |
| 23:50.49 | linuxbomb | haha fedora's bot is written in perl |
| 23:50.54 | linuxbomb | its slow as hell |
| 23:51.04 | firefly2442 | devserve: yep, internal net |
| 23:51.35 | devserve | firefly2442: ok, you should consider naming all your internal machines, giving them static addresses and names |
| 23:51.48 | cafuego | linuxbomb: What do you think the #debian bots are written in? |
| 23:51.49 | devserve | and have a name server |
| 23:51.51 | caphuso | linuxbomb: the blootbots #debian uses are written in perl too |
| 23:52.06 | linuxbomb | why is yours faster |
| 23:52.19 | devserve | better coders? |
| 23:52.20 | cafuego | linuxbomb: Less load on the host? |
| 23:52.23 | shingouz | linuxbomb: Because we are in #debian? ;) |
| 23:52.34 | avatraxiom | Darn, blootbot doesn't speak the Infobot Protocol. |
| 23:52.38 | cafuego | Ours runs on Teh Gibson |
| 23:52.38 | devserve | that should make it much slower |
| 23:52.50 | firefly2442 | devserve: ok I'll give it a shot, I'm gonna try a live-cd and see if I can get the critical files off first, thanks :) |
| 23:53.17 | devserve | firefly2442: wait, what is it you're trying to do again? |
| 23:53.32 | avatraxiom | linuxbomb: cluebot has a 1.5 second delay between each answer, in order to not get flooded off of FreeNode. |
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| 23:53.55 | firefly2442 | devserve: well, I'm trying to get my machine to at least connect to another machine |
| 23:54.05 | avatraxiom | linuxbomb: This means that if a lot of other people have asked him a question at the same time as you, or if you've asked him another question recently, he'll be slow. |
| 23:54.08 | firefly2442 | devserve: it says it has an IP and everything but ping doesn't work |
| 23:54.23 | devserve | firefly2442: what are the exact symptoms? |
| 23:54.54 | devserve | when you say "ping somethingorother", it does exactly what? |
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| 23:55.04 | firefly2442 | devserve: times out |
| 23:55.16 | firefly2442 | devserve: no connection at all |
| 23:55.39 | devserve | what does it do exactly that you can see? |
| 23:55.49 | devserve | what does it display? |
| 23:56.22 | firefly2442 | lemme try it again, hold on, it has to boot.. |
| 23:56.59 | devserve | did it display anything whatsoever when you hit enter? |
| 23:57.08 | systemadmin | anyone hear of ucd-snmp |
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| 23:58.55 | firefly2442 | devserve: destination host unreachable |
| 23:59.20 | devserve | firefly2442: ok, seems you have a routing problem or interface problem |
| 23:59.52 | devserve | does ifconfig eth0 give (1) an error message or (2) a paragraph? |
