| 00:00.26 | abrotman | steve__: mplayer.hu iirc |
| 00:00.34 | abrotman | !codecs |
| 00:00.37 | abrotman | oh well |
| 00:00.38 | lef | I am confused regarding Maildir. I have set up exim4 to deliver mail to ~Maildir. Inside it I can see the new/ tmp/ etc. folders that IMAP requires. I log on the server with evolution using IMAP and I see none of my emails (if I issue mutt -f Maildir I see them all). Can someone explain to me what I am missing? |
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| 00:00.52 | under_R_run | it was /dev/hdd4 on the 2.2 but i don't know where it is now |
| 00:00.53 | steve__ | !codecs |
| 00:01.01 | abrotman | lef: no cur ? |
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| 00:01.13 | lef | abrotman, I have imap courier running yes |
| 00:01.23 | abrotman | no .. new,tmp,cur .. right ? |
| 00:01.53 | lef | abrotman, these directories exist |
| 00:01.53 | abrotman | lef: did you try another IMAP application ? |
| 00:02.05 | zumbi | under_R_run, fix your system then |
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| 00:02.12 | lef | abrotman, here they are: courierimapkeywords courierimapsubscribed courierimapuiddb cur new tmp |
| 00:02.13 | directhex | dpkg, freeze abrotman |
| 00:02.24 | i10neorg | How do you find out what parameters were passed to a loaded kernel module? |
| 00:02.25 | abrotman | !freeze me |
| 00:02.31 | directhex | hmph :/ |
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| 00:02.32 | under_R_run | zumbi:it's an old system i'm trying to reuse as a router |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | !cool directhex |
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| 00:02.51 | under_R_run | zumbi:it's proving quite a task to get it to work |
| 00:03.08 | abrotman | under_R_run: why not install woody with bf24 option ? |
| 00:03.40 | directhex | dpkg, freeze $1 is <action> prepares to release $1. Soon. Maybe. Hopefully. |
| 00:03.41 | dpkg | okay, directhex |
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| 00:04.17 | under_R_run | abrot:i wanted to try somthing i knew would work (2.2) first, and then try 2.4 |
| 00:04.29 | under_R_run | reinstalling might help |
| 00:04.29 | anhi | i got to say: software suspend 2 kicks ass :D |
| 00:04.43 | i10neorg | How do you find out what parameters were passed to a loaded kernel module? |
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| 00:05.07 | serialkiller | can someone give me ahnd setting up raid1? never done is successfully |
| 00:05.21 | under_R_run | i10neorg:what ever your boot loader passes |
| 00:05.37 | under_R_run | i10neorg:look in your grub or lilo config |
| 00:05.41 | Delph | how can you ifdown the ipv6 part of a network without affecting the ipv4 section? |
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| 00:06.04 | Delph | or; how can you change the ipv6 settings without restarting the network. |
| 00:06.06 | i10neorg | under_R_run: I am familiar with that. |
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| 00:06.22 | cafuego | Delph: Set the ipv6 ip[ to 0 |
| 00:06.26 | i10neorg | under_R_run: What if the module was loaded by something (someone else)? |
| 00:06.28 | zumbi | under_R_run, you need to add in isolinux/ a vmlinuz image and initrd, that you could build in a separated system if the are the same arch. |
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| 00:07.14 | zumbi | s/the/they |
| 00:07.26 | Delph | cafuego: cheers |
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| 00:08.04 | Kzimm | re |
| 00:08.11 | under_R_run | zumbi:isolinux isn't an option because it's too old to boot from cd |
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| 00:08.14 | Kzimm | anyone know why mdadm don't make array at startup ? i need to do a mdrun after boot :/ |
| 00:08.49 | under_R_run | zumbi:and i think the initrd is too big to fit on a second disk, right? |
| 00:10.00 | zumbi | yes |
| 00:10.13 | under_R_run | i10neorg:some things are automatically insmoded through an initial modprobe and not through a kernel option |
| 00:10.41 | under_R_run | i10neorg:if that's what you're asking |
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| 00:11.01 | directhex | Kzimm, are all required drivers for your raid array loaded when mdadm is being run at boottime? |
| 00:11.23 | directhex | Kzimm, i had similar issues myself, which were fixed by reordering things in /etc/rcX.d/ |
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| 00:11.38 | FieldySnuts | compile in raid support, having them as modules is asking for trouble |
| 00:11.48 | vezult | ksimm: are you using udev? |
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| 00:11.58 | i10neorg | under_R_run: Thanks, I am aware of that too. And any module parameters can be specified in /etc/modules.d/ |
| 00:12.00 | directhex | udev is an example |
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| 00:12.15 | directhex | personally, it was fince after reordering, whilst static compilation wasn't so fine |
| 00:12.16 | i10neorg | under_R_run: But I wanted to confirm that those parameters were used. |
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| 00:12.21 | Kzimm | directhex: perhaos not but i admin i dunno |
| 00:12.27 | Frater_Sx | hi |
| 00:12.35 | Kzimm | directhex: i have this prob since i have upgrade mdadm |
| 00:13.00 | Frater_Sx | if I try to make a copy of an audio cd with k3b, it returns error, but when I try with a data cd there is no problem. |
| 00:13.01 | Frater_Sx | any clue? |
| 00:13.16 | Kzimm | directhex: i m not very familiar with rc |
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| 00:14.19 | under_R_run | i10neorg:use lsmod when booted to se modules loaded |
| 00:15.29 | vezult | Frater_Sx: do you have cdrdao installed? |
| 00:15.29 | i10neorg | under_R_run: Yes, but how do you see what parameters those modules were loaded with? |
| 00:15.29 | sparr_ | How can I resolve this when my user is trying to start a second X server (to play a game on)? X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
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| 00:15.30 | under_R_run | i10neorg:look at your boot log |
| 00:15.36 | Frater_Sx | vezult, not that I know |
| 00:15.43 | jvives | hey all!!!! how are you? I'm looking for someone to help me with a problem. (you already knew that) So: I'm trying to move to kernel 2.6 and my keyboard is not being detected (or something like that) on the booting sequence. Not even the "Caps Lock" button works. Any ideas, tips, man pages.... HELP |
| 00:15.49 | vezult | Frater_Sx: k3b uses that to burn audio CDs |
| 00:15.59 | under_R_run | i10neorg:i'm not sure, but i think you should see it there |
| 00:16.04 | furrywolf | god. junkyard wars and scrapheap challange used to be about equivelent... but the new junkyard wars is total, utter crap. awful hosts, stupid things like intentionally pairing random people instead of having full teams apply, stupid/ridiculus design restrictions, fake/annoying interteam bickering, etc. |
| 00:16.24 | furrywolf | guess it wasn't stupid enough for american audiences... |
| 00:16.26 | anhi | is there a way to switch from X to the terminal (like CTRL ALT F1) from a bash script ? i'd like to run my hibernate (software suspend 2) script from fluxbox menu |
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| 00:17.21 | i10neorg | under_R_run: Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. You see messages the module decided to print, not a difinitive list of parameters passed. |
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| 00:17.31 | i10neorg | under_R_run: Thanks for trying to help though! |
| 00:17.31 | jvives | anhi, just read abot that... was something like ch_something_ (tty or something like that) |
| 00:17.33 | dfinn | is it safe to run the latest unstable kernel under sarge? |
| 00:17.44 | tam | dfinn: why not? |
| 00:17.53 | vezult | dfinn: should be |
| 00:17.55 | dfinn | tam: not sure, just asking |
| 00:17.56 | furrywolf | as safe as running unstable things ever is... |
| 00:18.07 | vezult | dfinn: depending on what you mean by "safe" |
| 00:18.15 | jvives | so nobody have an idea about why my keyboard isn't responding after booting kernel 2.6? |
| 00:18.23 | Frater_Sx | thanks vezult |
| 00:18.29 | dfinn | so I can just add a line to my apt sources for sid and install the latest kernel-image package? |
| 00:18.41 | vezult | Frater_Sx: you're welcome |
| 00:18.48 | Frater_Sx | =) |
| 00:19.03 | jvives | dfinn: or you go sid or you go woody, don't try to mix them |
| 00:19.14 | Charbal | Sarge has 2.6.8 available if that will do. |
| 00:19.35 | dfinn | jvives: that's kind of what I was asking, if it was OK to mix. I don't think I want to do a full upgrade to sid. |
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| 00:19.45 | dfinn | but I would like a newer kernel than what sarge offers |
| 00:20.00 | under_R_run | i10neorg:it's beyond my knowledge, i'm still a little bit of a noob |
| 00:20.01 | vezult | jvives: is it a usb keyboard? |
| 00:20.04 | dfinn | what are my options? |
| 00:20.18 | Charbal | You need features from 2.6.9+? |
| 00:20.39 | jvives | dfinn I've never try it, but I've heard that it gets kind of messy.... my opinion, don't do it. |
| 00:20.40 | dfinn | yes, I need 2.6.10 or newer |
| 00:20.45 | jvives | dfinn just go full sid |
| 00:20.46 | vezult | dfinn: any particular reason you need a newer kernel? |
| 00:21.14 | Charbal | dfinn, once sarge releases, etch should get the latest 2.6 kernel. |
| 00:21.19 | dfinn | in order to get a driver working for my no name usb wireless adapter |
| 00:21.41 | pompomJuice | Does anybody here know about programming an application to use PAM? |
| 00:21.46 | pompomJuice | I have a small question |
| 00:22.01 | vezult | dfinn: you really shouldn't have any problems that i can think of if you use a sid kernel |
| 00:22.17 | Charbal | dfinn, I suspect the sid kernel should work fine for sarge in the meantime. |
| 00:22.21 | abrotman | pompomJuice: probably the wrong channel |
| 00:23.02 | jvives | vezult: got any idea about why my keyboard is not being recognized at the boot sequence when using k. 2.6.X? |
| 00:23.02 | dfinn | is there documentation to upgrade from sarge to sid? |
| 00:23.15 | aardvark | !tell dfinn about sid upgrade |
| 00:23.17 | i10neorg | under_R_run: If you hang out here long enough, you won't be for long. :^) Thanks again for trying. |
| 00:23.30 | Charbal | jvives, USB keyboard? |
| 00:23.39 | under_R_run | i10neorg:thx |
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| 00:23.54 | jvives | Charbal toshiba notebook |
| 00:23.55 | surreal | any of you guys happen to have an ati AIW card? |
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| 00:24.11 | Charbal | jvives, and it doesn't happen with 2.4? |
| 00:24.20 | jvives | Charbal nope |
| 00:24.28 | dfinn | great. so 1/2 of you recommend I upgrade to Sid and one of you says it's highly unrecommended. Thanks for all the advice. |
| 00:25.04 | IDC | Good morning |
| 00:25.18 | IDC | I am going to recompile kernel again |
| 00:25.47 | IDC | would anyone tell me,what does "ipt_TCPMSS"stand for ? |
| 00:26.08 | IDC | I got 2 of them loaded everytime i reboot |
| 00:26.08 | cafuego | IDC: Do you use adsl? |
| 00:26.21 | sparr_ | How can I resolve this when my user is trying to start a second X server (to play a game on)? X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
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| 00:26.50 | IDC | I thought they were from iptables ..but i do iptables -L ,by default in the FORWARD china there added a rule which i do not need |
| 00:27.19 | IDC | cafuego, Yes,adsl,but the module 'ipt_TCPMSS' has nothing to do with dsl connecting i am very sure |
| 00:27.31 | IDC | strage |
| 00:27.38 | cafuego | IDC: As far as I'm aware TCPMSS is used to dynamically break up and reize TCP packets, so they AND the PPPoE headers fit within a normal packet. |
| 00:27.47 | cafuego | IDC: Yes, it does. |
| 00:28.01 | cafuego | IDC: it resizes your packets so they fit with the MTU. |
| 00:28.10 | IDC | cafuego, but with default kernel with dsl working properly i dont have this module |
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| 00:28.27 | IDC | hmm |
| 00:28.36 | FieldySnuts | @lart furrywolf |
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| 00:28.50 | cafuego | IDC: Is it in the way or breaking anything? |
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| 00:28.54 | furrywolf | lol |
| 00:29.00 | IDC | cafuego, not really |
| 00:29.08 | cafuego | IDC: Don't touch it then <heh> |
| 00:29.25 | IDC | but, there is a rule in FORWARD chain must be related to it ,and which i dont want |
| 00:29.30 | abrotman | s/foot/paw |
| 00:29.41 | vezult | IDC: what is the rule? |
| 00:29.43 | IDC | usually,as i am a single machine i always leave FORWARD alone |
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| 00:30.12 | silver_cpu | anyone here have much samba experience? i'm trying to transfer some files from my windows box to my linux box, and not having much luck |
| 00:30.22 | IDC | vezult, from there i cannot recall the original command to write the rule anyway it reads as .. |
| 00:30.36 | IDC | "TCPMSS tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp flags:SYN,RST/SYN tcpmss match 1400:1536 TCPMSS clamp to PMTU" |
| 00:30.50 | abrotman | silver_cpu: #samba does exist |
| 00:31.17 | silver_cpu | oh, ok :) |
| 00:31.18 | silver_cpu | thanks |
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| 00:31.26 | vezult | IDC: and what is the error you are getting? |
| 00:31.31 | IDC | That is why i think this ipt_TCPMSS thing must be something to do with IPTABLES |
| 00:31.35 | IDC | no errors |
| 00:31.52 | vezult | IDC: yes, it is a module used by ip tables |
| 00:32.12 | vezult | IDC: netfilter, more acurately |
| 00:32.13 | IDC | vezult, but i do not need those 2 modules ipt_TCPMSS and ipt_tcpmss that they are loaded everytime after a reboot,see,they take resource |
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| 00:32.46 | vezult | IDC: the resources it requires is very small relative to anything else you've got running |
| 00:33.01 | IDC | vezult, please tell me ,in kernel <about im gonna to redo it> compile ->net filter--> which one i should not select that might be the cause the bring up those 2 modules ? |
| 00:33.24 | vezult | IDC: try iptables --flush |
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| 00:33.29 | IDC | wait |
| 00:33.45 | IDC | done |
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| 00:34.16 | IDC | strange,now there is empty in FORWARD ? |
| 00:34.26 | IDC | vezult, how did you know that :) |
| 00:34.30 | vezult | IDC: yes. that's what that command did |
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| 00:34.38 | IDC | hmm |
| 00:35.24 | IDC | vezult, in kernel config,in the iptables section,i added iptables in kernel,net filter in kernel,other than that below it all as modules,since i wasn't sure what they work with/for |
| 00:35.31 | vezult | IDC: if it appears every reboot, you've probably got a script or something that is loading it at boot time or at ifup time |
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| 00:35.52 | vezult | IDC: you don't have to recompile your kernel |
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| 00:36.04 | cafuego | More likely, pppoe is loading 'em. |
| 00:36.06 | IDC | vezult, This happens right after i added iptables to kernel |
| 00:36.26 | mpav | Where do i specify module parameters for mkinitrd ? |
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| 00:36.27 | cafuego | And IDC is going to fix it, even though it ain't broken. |
| 00:36.40 | mpav | ie.. forcing NIC card into a specific duplex mode |
| 00:37.34 | IDC | vezult, i am going to recompile kernel for 1st: fix the sound problem 2nd. remove the useless stuff which i wasn't sure about them that i added too much of them to kernel |
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| 00:38.34 | Frater_Sx | bye =) |
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| 00:38.55 | vezult | IDC: with regards to the "removing useless stuff" it will benefit you very little and has the possibility of creating real problems for you |
| 00:39.16 | cafuego | IDC: tcpmss is probably using around 10kb of ram. nothing else. |
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| 00:40.18 | IDC | vezult, but good chance to learn ,anyway,you are maybe right,anyway by doing this i have learned,for example,i tried it just twice in a day finally found why it wont boot with new kernel,i missed adding "add IDE ATA 2 support "to kernel :D |
| 00:40.38 | cafuego | omfg |
| 00:40.46 | cafuego | this tard has emailed me a 45Mb TIFF |
| 00:40.48 | SyphonAI | omfg what? |
| 00:40.56 | SyphonAI | lol |
| 00:41.00 | IDC | cafuego, i did it third times in yesterday :D |
| 00:41.26 | vezult | IDC: certainly. i'm all for learning. If that's your motivation, go for it. Otherwise though, it's not worth it. |
| 00:41.46 | IDC | vezult, many thanks for your reminding :) yeah ,i am learning :) |
| 00:41.56 | cafuego | speaking of kernels |
| 00:42.20 | IDC | hmm |
| 00:42.27 | vezult | speaking of kernels...I need to get me some more microwave popcorn |
| 00:42.43 | cafuego | kernel.org really needs a version rss feed |
| 00:43.10 | vezult | cafuego: that certainly would be neat |
| 00:43.32 | EvanCarroll | oh my dear god, sarge is frozen =/ |
| 00:43.37 | FieldySnuts | we noticed |
| 00:43.43 | FieldySnuts | hell froze too |
| 00:43.44 | vezult | yeah, amazing, isnt it? |
| 00:43.57 | g23 | Hey, does Cyrus IMAP support multiple domains? |
| 00:44.03 | EvanCarroll | really |
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| 00:44.34 | tecta | hello. I got X to work, but it's all ruffely and blurey. any help? |
| 00:44.45 | vezult | g23: i believe so |
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| 00:45.20 | cafuego | g23: yes |
| 00:45.50 | cafuego | EvanCarroll: just coz it's frozen now doesn't mean it won't release in 2006 ;-) |
| 00:45.52 | g23 | Does it distinguish between domain? I may be getting a COLO box and need to manage more than one domain. Will be using Postfix for MTA |
| 00:45.54 | vezult | tecta: clean your glasses? |
| 00:46.01 | tecta | heh |
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| 00:46.20 | cafuego | g23: It used to need any ugly set-up for that kind of thing. try courier, much nicer. |
| 00:46.41 | tecta | i changed the modes but still the same |
| 00:46.43 | cafuego | g23: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 00:47.23 | vezult | tecta: is it blury at lower resolutions? |
| 00:47.27 | EvanCarroll | cafuego: they should release a month before the next ubuntu release |
| 00:47.41 | EvanCarroll | cafuego: just so they can point fingers and laugh and call the ubuntu guys slow |
| 00:47.45 | cafuego | EvanCarroll: That's not going to make me switch back to Debian. |
| 00:48.42 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: once the freeze happens, there's little else that can be done than actually release. |
| 00:48.42 | tecta | at 800x600 not so much |
| 00:48.44 | karsten | Anyone care to summarize release criteria? Installer. Bugs. Arches. Docs. Anything else? |
| 00:48.54 | dondelelcaro | karsten: that's basically it. |
| 00:49.00 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it <heh> |
| 00:49.19 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: well, the other alternative is removing the freeze, but that doesn't usually work very well. |
| 00:49.26 | tecta | i don't have a wm |
| 00:49.41 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Prolly also a smooth upgrade, no? |
| 00:49.46 | tecta | hm to get fluxbox on debian it is apt-get install xserver-fluxbox |
| 00:49.50 | tecta | or something? |
| 00:50.02 | EvanCarroll | dondelelcaro: has the debian foundation ever revoked a freeze |
| 00:50.03 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yes... although, keeping that from happening is generally an RC bug |
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| 00:50.10 | cafuego | tecta: apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox |
| 00:50.12 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Poin. |
| 00:50.15 | karsten | dondelelcaro: t. |
| 00:50.15 | tecta | oh cool |
| 00:50.22 | dondelelcaro | EvanCarroll: uh, there's no such thing as a "debian foundation", so no. |
| 00:50.56 | EvanCarroll | dondelelcaro: board who ever makes the calls they recently elected a president |
| 00:50.57 | EvanCarroll | org |
| 00:50.59 | EvanCarroll | whatever. |
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| 00:51.15 | cafuego | EvanCarroll: The release manager. |
| 00:51.49 | dondelelcaro | EvanCarroll: uh, the RM(s) make the decision... they could, of course... but its quite unlikely barring something unforseen happening |
| 00:52.23 | tecta | hm i thought it was rc.d where you changed wm's ? |
| 00:52.30 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Each port is supported by at least one buildd, right? |
| 00:52.54 | Charbal | Yeah, things don't work so well when a port has 0 buildds :P |
| 00:53.02 | dabreegster | tecta: /etc/init.d/ |
| 00:53.03 | dondelelcaro | karsten: pretty much, yes. |
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| 00:53.20 | furrywolf | only time I could think of that happens would be if a sudden huge number of rc bugs were discovered, and the fixes involved switching to substantially newer versions of packages. |
| 00:53.29 | tecta | and put like |
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| 00:53.33 | tecta | wm=fluxbox ? |
| 00:53.40 | karsten | Charbal: So I've heard. |
| 00:53.43 | dabreegster | tecta: dunno. .xsessionrc maybe? |
| 00:53.43 | cafuego | tecta: No. |
| 00:53.45 | nichos | hi all, ive upgraded to exim4 and im getting htis in my log: fetchmail[1473]: SMTP error: 451 Temporary local problem - please try later - any ideas where to look? |
| 00:53.50 | karsten | Charbal: I'd give an ARM and a leg for the effort though. |
| 00:53.56 | dabreegster | tecta: or a login manager conf? gdm, kdm, xdm? |
| 00:54.10 | tecta | i have gdm and kdm |
| 00:54.19 | EvanCarroll | ls |
| 00:54.19 | tecta | i did apt-get install x-window-core or something |
| 00:54.19 | cafuego | the temporary local problem would be exim4 |
| 00:54.23 | EvanCarroll | err wrong keyboard |
| 00:54.36 | pipeline | tecta: If you're using a display manager, ~/.xsession is probably what you want to use. |
| 00:54.49 | kevin06 | Does anyone know where to find a Debian package for LAME? |
| 00:54.50 | cafuego | tecta: We'll help you when you can remember what you typed. Guessing is not productive. |
| 00:54.53 | nichos | cafuego what might it be? I cant find the config file for exim4 |
| 00:55.04 | dabreegster | kevin06: lame is there. it might be in another repository.. |
| 00:55.07 | cafuego | nichos: no idea, I loathe and don't use exim. |
| 00:55.08 | dabreegster | !tell kevin06 about marillat |
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| 00:55.17 | nichos | cafuego what do you recommend? |
| 00:55.36 | cafuego | nichos: I recommend you use the MTA you prefer. |
| 00:55.41 | cafuego | nichos: I prefex postfix. |
| 00:55.46 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start an mta war |
| 00:55.46 | dpkg | postfix loses mail |
| 00:55.51 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:55.53 | nichos | lol |
| 00:55.53 | tecta | right now it sasys PROGNAME=Xsession change to PROGNAME=fluxbox |
| 00:55.55 | tecta | o.o |
| 00:55.58 | kevin06 | dabreegster, how do I change which repository apt-get looks in? |
| 00:56.00 | FieldySnuts | "loses mail" righto |
| 00:56.20 | abrotman | EvanCarroll: synergy2 |
| 00:56.25 | dabreegster | kevin06: add it to sources.list. dont remove anything that's there, just add it |
| 00:56.38 | n0op | can i stop an app from being closed when running X? |
| 00:56.45 | n0op | or force it to reopen |
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| 00:57.00 | caphuso | nichos: check /var/log/exim4/* |
| 00:57.05 | caphuso | or not |
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| 00:57.48 | n0op | specifically referring to mozilla-firefox |
| 00:57.49 | FieldySnuts | It's time for Men on Distros (spoof of Men on Television). SuSE.. Hated it!! |
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| 00:58.12 | tecta | suse sucks |
| 00:58.25 | FieldySnuts | it uses rpm, so.. that's granted |
| 00:58.25 | tecta | ubuntu is a rip off from debian |
| 00:58.34 | abrotman | tecta: are you done ? |
| 00:58.40 | tecta | i did |
| 00:58.40 | tecta | xdm |
| 00:58.44 | tecta | and it loaded |
| 00:58.45 | dabreegster | tecta: Right. So use debian and be happy. |
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| 00:58.53 | tecta | i am using debian =) |
| 00:59.17 | dabreegster | tecta: goody. then stop complaining about other distros. ^_^ |
| 00:59.34 | tecta | heh, i'm just saying from past experience |
| 00:59.40 | vezult | tecta: what monitor are you using? |
| 00:59.59 | tecta | BENQ FP731 LCD |
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| 01:01.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:01.31 | FieldySnuts | not too big a loss I guess though, only time I ever saw it used was those morons |
| 01:01.34 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: +q doesn't affect /msg |
| 01:01.40 | karsten | FieldySnuts: Actually, it does respond... |
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| 01:01.49 | abrotman | caphuso: can't speak in the channel to tell us it's been pasted |
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| 01:02.17 | g23 | Have any of y'all sucussfully installed Sarge using the remote SSH option.... |
| 01:02.25 | vezult | tecta: what vsync and hsync's are you using? |
| 01:02.28 | abrotman | i did it for someone else :) |
| 01:02.35 | tecta | don't worry i got it |
| 01:02.44 | tecta | i pulled the specs from the site anyways |
| 01:02.51 | tecta | http://www.flash.co.uk/content/products/details/html/BEN-FP731-SB.htm |
| 01:03.08 | vezult | tecta: what was the solution? |
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| 01:03.21 | tecta | i dunno the wm is fine |
| 01:03.22 | caphuso | !paster is also due to abuse we had to silence the bot, please announce the URL to the paste yourself |
| 01:03.22 | dpkg | okay, caphuso |
| 01:03.30 | tecta | just x looks weird |
| 01:03.32 | tecta | but np |
| 01:03.41 | aldug | how do I make a file execute as a specific user no matter what user executes the file? |
| 01:03.45 | tecta | fluxbox is secksy =D |
| 01:03.52 | caphuso | aldug: setuid bit |
| 01:03.54 | dabreegster | aldug: sudo |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | caphuso: they were still abusing him? |
| 01:03.59 | aldug | dabreegster: without sudo |
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| 01:04.06 | aldug | caphuso: what does that mean? |
| 01:04.09 | dabreegster | aldug: caphuso's is better |
| 01:04.23 | caphuso | aldug: it means you need to go learn how unix file permissions work |
| 01:04.24 | dabreegster | aldug: nevermind, I was thinking of something similar |
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| 01:05.10 | aldug | caphuso: I have the file owned by the user and group I want it to execute as, so I just chmod 4755 filename? |
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| 01:05.30 | caphuso | aldug: is that what the chmod documentation says? |
| 01:05.47 | aldug | caphuso: I can't understand it, I don't understand what the first number should be |
| 01:06.01 | cafuego | fnord fnord |
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| 01:06.11 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: pee on RPM |
| 01:06.51 | Slumber | is there a great database of what wireless network cards will work with Linux ? |
| 01:06.58 | Slumber | I have a Netgear WG311 v2 |
| 01:07.04 | aldug | caphuso: can you explain what the first number should be? |
| 01:07.12 | caphuso | aldug: well, it should be the number for setting user ID on execution |
| 01:07.13 | abrotman | Slumber: #wireless . might have one . |
| 01:07.15 | n0op | i've set up an old system for public access to the net via mozilla-firefox on debian. i want to stop anyone closing the browser or force it to reopen if it get closed. how can i do this? |
| 01:07.29 | Talnakh | does anyone know if there is a program to fill in forms on websites automatically? I want to use it, since i have to perform a number of similar functions on web based customer care system. and i want to automate operations between the website and my internal program |
| 01:07.44 | caphuso | aldug: and no, i'm not going to just tell you what to use, because you'd probably rip a fucking huge security hole open, and that's not something i like |
| 01:08.03 | Talnakh | n0oop, there was a guide ion IBM redbooks how to do it |
| 01:08.09 | vezult | aldug: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/node17.html.gz |
| 01:08.19 | FieldySnuts | Slumber: good luck. I never could get one of those working in linux. typical stuff designed only for windows. |
| 01:08.20 | n0op | thanks Talnakh |
| 01:08.29 | aldug | caphuso: how is that a security hole, it's a shell script that does a cvs update |
| 01:08.33 | Talnakh | U should search for kiosk |
| 01:08.34 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: a wifi card .. or that model ? |
| 01:08.39 | FieldySnuts | that model |
| 01:08.46 | n0op | and also thanks to you abrotman... you got me this far |
| 01:08.48 | caphuso | aldug: ah, setuid doesn't work on shell scripts anyway |
| 01:09.17 | abrotman | what did i do? |
| 01:09.28 | FieldySnuts | @blame abrotman |
| 01:09.45 | abrotman | n0op: you could always download the source and delete the main_close() function :) |
| 01:09.52 | robink | Where can I find dpkg's (the bot's) database dump? |
| 01:09.54 | n0op | it was yesterday, helped me get firefox 2 run |
| 01:10.00 | Slumber | ooih, there's a #wireless. thanks |
| 01:10.02 | n0op | this is my first time wif linux |
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| 01:10.15 | Guerin | firefox 2? |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | Slumber: i told you that |
| 01:10.23 | Talnakh | abrotman, why so complicated |
| 01:10.24 | Guerin | i thought only 1.04 was out |
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| 01:10.33 | cafuego | 1.0.3 as of yesterday |
| 01:10.38 | abrotman | Talnakh: to dow hat? |
| 01:10.51 | Guerin | n0op: where can I get a copy of this firefox 2... it's not on mozilla.org!!!!??!1?@ |
| 01:10.59 | Talnakh | to remove x on mozilla. use kiosk mode on KDE |
| 01:11.05 | cafuego | Firefox 1.0.3 for Linux i686, English (8.2MB) |
| 01:11.05 | furrywolf | god. and even worse, the hosts of the newer junkyard wars aren't just awful and annoying, they don't have a clue what they're talking about, and half of what they say is simply WRONG. for example, saying one of the teams is using a 2-stroke lawnmower, when it's an obvious 4-stroke with separate oil... |
| 01:11.25 | cafuego | Guerin: maybe he's referring to the nightly builds with SVG support. |
| 01:11.32 | n0op | Guerin: www.youbloodyidiot.net |
| 01:11.51 | Guerin | n0op: that's your site, isn't it? |
| 01:11.59 | Guerin | n0op: I thought so. |
| 01:12.01 | n0op | i only host it |
| 01:12.02 | cafuego | furrywolf: haha, you watch tv? |
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| 01:12.26 | Guerin | Notorious: your dns is down |
| 01:12.29 | Guerin | eh |
| 01:12.35 | furrywolf | cafuego: I was looking at the recent additions on isohunt, and saw junkyard wars season 13, so figured I might as well fetch it. |
| 01:12.40 | Guerin | n0op: ^^ |
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| 01:13.15 | lef | after using dpkg-reconfigure exim4 I have some settings in update-exim4.conf.conf. On my system (a newly installed sarge) there is only /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template and no exim4.conf. Yet exim4 (a public mail server) has been working fine for days. Where is the exim4.conf file? where does exim4 read its settings from?? |
| 01:13.46 | furrywolf | at least robert llewellyn was completely and totally full of himself but usually gave correct information... |
| 01:13.47 | caphuso | lef: /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated |
| 01:13.57 | lef | ah.. |
| 01:13.59 | caphuso | lef: read /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz |
| 01:14.31 | lef | caphuso, if I upgrade, am I in danger of lossing my settings if I don't create an exim4.conf? |
| 01:14.38 | caphuso | lef: no |
| 01:14.44 | caphuso | lef: again, read /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz |
| 01:15.17 | lef | caphuso, I will do, Thank you very much! |
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| 01:16.37 | aldug | caphuso: can a perl script be setuid? |
| 01:17.16 | dondelelcaro | aldug: if you're using perlsetuid, ys. |
| 01:17.19 | dondelelcaro | s/ys/yes/ |
| 01:17.37 | caphuso | aldug: read "man perlsec" |
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| 01:18.00 | caphuso | it has some discussions of setuid/setgid issues in and around perl |
| 01:18.08 | dondelelcaro | rrr.. perl-suid |
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| 01:18.54 | caphuso | oh, it has also the code for C wrapper, which might come in handy |
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| 01:22.55 | jcurry | ooh, sarge will be released on mya 30th, right? my birthday :) |
| 01:23.09 | jcurry | i didn't know it was that far ahead |
| 01:23.13 | dabreegster | jcurry: maybe. it's always subject to change |
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| 01:23.46 | g23 | Were there questions like this late year.... lol |
| 01:23.52 | g23 | last |
| 01:25.21 | tecta | hey what do you do if you don't know what sound card you have? |
| 01:25.22 | jcurry | dabreegster, i know :) |
| 01:25.28 | tecta | guess what modules to install? |
| 01:25.39 | jcurry | tecta, tyr a 'lspci' |
| 01:25.42 | dabreegster | tecta: lspci might help |
| 01:25.43 | jcurry | try*\ |
| 01:25.46 | jcurry | gah |
| 01:26.08 | dabreegster | jcurry: don't be crazy with the enter/return key |
| 01:26.31 | jcurry | dabreegster, i am a terrible typer, i know |
| 01:26.50 | dabreegster | jcurry: Bad at grammar too. s/typer/typist/ |
| 01:26.53 | vengefuldeath87 | how do i change the screem resolution of my vncserver? |
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| 01:27.38 | jcurry | dabreegster, no need to rub it in :) |
| 01:27.58 | BadMan | Just seen this on the debian-users list http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html |
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| 01:28.17 | coruptkid | cya off 2 sleep |
| 01:28.23 | Nurbs | did someone succeed in building kernel 2.6.12-rc3 using make-kpkg? couldn't find anything in the BTS yet |
| 01:28.24 | dabreegster | jcurry: I can't help it. |
| 01:28.25 | dondelelcaro | BadMan: see /topic |
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| 01:28.52 | BadMan | thanks dondelelcaro dont see all of that to often I just kinda idle now. |
| 01:29.09 | jeff_ | alias guesfeeking |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: why? |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's not like xenogearsII ? |
| 01:33.07 | abrotman | slacker |
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| 01:33.19 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 01:33.55 | Wyzard | (Of course, the first person I mentioned that to said "wow, hell has frozen too") |
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| 01:35.05 | dabreegster | Wyzard: submit that (or a variant) to bash.org |
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| 01:35.39 | IDC | usually,/dev/ttys? stand for what ? |
| 01:35.59 | crashbg | how can i disable ipv6 in sarge's KDE |
| 01:36.21 | Wyzard | crashbg: Disable IPv6 in KDE? |
| 01:36.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: my response was "looks like we'll beat duke nukem" :) |
| 01:36.36 | Wyzard | crashbg: Just don't tell apps to connect to IPv6 addresses, I guess |
| 01:36.42 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 01:37.34 | crashbg | norox, i mean in resource consuming view :) |
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| 01:37.59 | tecta | hm i try to play a song in xmms, but it doesn't even start to play just does nothing |
| 01:38.15 | pzn | Hi! after last sarge upgrade my audio stopped working. kernel is the same, /dev/dsp is there, ogg123 and aumix seems to work ok, but no sound comes from speakers. kernel is the same. can you help me to diagnose this? suggestions? |
| 01:38.17 | abrotman | tecta: stop using xmms on your 386 |
| 01:38.18 | Wyzard | crashbg: Resource consuming? |
| 01:38.32 | tecta | heh xmms is the best |
| 01:38.48 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:38.52 | hilfmil | hey guys, if i install the frozen sarge now, will it turn into sarge stable in when it turns stable? |
| 01:39.06 | Wyzard | hilfmil: If you tell it to upgrade, yes |
| 01:39.17 | Guerin | i have to go to the bank and ask those fuckers why my card ain't giving up any money |
| 01:39.20 | crashbg | well i've red somewhere in google that it can be disable to load the web pages a little faster and lower the memory consumption |
| 01:39.20 | abrotman | hilfmil: and point your sources at sarge .. not testing |
| 01:39.31 | Guerin | hilfmil: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade path |
| 01:39.42 | hilfmil | thanks |
| 01:39.46 | Wyzard | hilfmil: and if you make sure your sources.list says "sarge" rather than "testing"... otherwise, when sarge is released, testing will become an alias for etch, and you'll be getting etch stuff |
| 01:40.08 | hilfmil | yes, Wyzard thats what i was afraid of |
| 01:40.23 | abrotman | so point at sarge! |
| 01:40.31 | hilfmil | i tihnk i know what i'm doign now ^_- |
| 01:40.42 | abrotman | is that a wink? |
| 01:40.54 | hilfmil | no, its a bad habit? |
| 01:40.56 | asg | abrotman: a raised eyebrow |
| 01:41.01 | karsten | um. Point made. |
| 01:41.05 | crashbg | where should i put this: echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/low-latency :) |
| 01:41.07 | karsten | <= idiot |
| 01:41.11 | abrotman | karsten: lesion? |
| 01:41.20 | karsten | abrotman: SHH! |
| 01:41.20 | asg | crashbg: man sysctl.conf |
| 01:41.29 | IDC | if i do not use serials port,disabling them in kernel is considered a good idea ? |
| 01:41.52 | karsten | IDC: If yo never plan to use 'em, sure. Outside a high-security situation, probably overkill. |
| 01:41.57 | pzn | sound does not work... how to know where to start? ogg123 and aumix seems to work ok at screen, but no sound comes from speakers... (debian sarge) |
| 01:41.57 | IDC | but at boot kernel always try to detect /dev/ttys? ,then pup up messages says found nothing |
| 01:42.07 | karsten | IDC: I've found SLIP or serial console to be periodically useful. |
| 01:42.28 | Charbal | When will sarge start getting security coverage? Or did it start with the freeze? |
| 01:42.29 | IDC | karbak, if i disable SLIP my dsl wont work |
| 01:42.38 | asg | Charbal: it started with the freeze |
| 01:42.40 | IDC | i could be wrong ...hmm |
| 01:42.42 | abrotman | pzn: as root or user? |
| 01:43.01 | abrotman | Charbal: did you read the whole email ? |
| 01:43.09 | pzn | abrotman, any user, root or not. it was working two weeks ago before doing apt-get update. |
| 01:43.23 | abrotman | so what did oyu upgrade that broke it ? |
| 01:43.23 | Charbal | abrotman, apparently not nearly well enough :P |
| 01:43.43 | IDC | karbak, i mean is it normal that after disabling serials support in kernel and you get to see those messages at boot "/dev/ttys? not found ? |
| 01:43.45 | g23 | Is it just me... or has anyone sucessfully installed a Sarge netinstall using SSH |
| 01:43.56 | abrotman | g23: i told you i had .. about an hour ago |
| 01:43.59 | IDC | karbak, oops,sorry,wrong person |
| 01:44.06 | Wyzard | Installing things via ssh? |
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| 01:44.17 | MobyTurbo | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:44.18 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 01:44.22 | abrotman | Wyzard: you can start the sarge installer in ssh mode |
| 01:44.23 | pzn | abrotman, well... it was sarge from mid of march, now it is sarge from mid of april. |
| 01:44.31 | Wyzard | Oh, I see, logging in with ssh and interacting with the installer that way |
| 01:44.34 | abrotman | Wyzard: so then you can ssh in .. do the whole thing .. kind of odd |
| 01:44.36 | pzn | abrotman, I did a apt-get upgrade |
| 01:44.37 | Wyzard | ok |
| 01:44.47 | abrotman | pzn: you mean dist-upgrade ? |
| 01:44.48 | IDC | karsten, i mean,if you disable serious ,but kernel still try to detect them at boot,is this normal ? |
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| 01:44.57 | IDC | serious > serials |
| 01:45.12 | asg | but serials stay crunchy in milk |
| 01:45.20 | karsten | IDC: Dunno. Never done it m'self. I'd think it shouldna. |
| 01:45.32 | pzn | abrotman, sorry, I meant dist-upgrade |
| 01:45.37 | g23 | abortman: I wasn't sure what you had meant.... My mistake :) |
| 01:45.45 | IDC | hmm |
| 01:46.08 | abrotman | g23: it does work .. mine was iffy .. but it worked |
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| 01:46.37 | spoopin | abrotman: did someone just call you 'abortman'? |
| 01:46.45 | IDC | well,i just added another soundcard ,now 2 sound cards in system ,so in kernel i add driver for them when need the kernel will call the right driver for one i tent to use ? |
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| 01:47.05 | abrotman | spoopin: happens often enough .. i highlight on it :) |
| 01:47.07 | asg | spoopin: g23 did ;) |
| 01:47.26 | g23 | Well I have tried about 12 times and none were sucessful. |
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| 01:47.50 | jim | what would you use to pictorally document a database? |
| 01:48.12 | abrotman | dia |
| 01:48.16 | spoopin | abrotman: Haha. Made me chuckle a bit... |
| 01:48.18 | g23 | sorry about misspelling your username.... not that that is the only thing I have spelling problems with |
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| 01:48.30 | spoopin | asg: how's it going, eh? |
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| 01:48.42 | danikata | j #mepis |
| 01:48.44 | abrotman | i thought you were workign with him |
| 01:48.47 | jim | would you use the ER symbols, umo or what? |
| 01:48.54 | danikata | ups sorry |
| 01:48.55 | asg | spoopin: a long ugly day (I'll fill you in over beer later on) |
| 01:48.59 | jim | uml tht is |
| 01:49.20 | spoopin | asg: quite. Vacation next week still on? |
| 01:49.31 | LuPuZ | Hey... I got an problem... i just installed debian 3.0rc4 And it didn't support my NIC... so i fetched the drivers from asus... and i have them on an cd... but i don't really know how to set in them so i can start up my connection.... can someone help me on that? |
| 01:49.34 | pzn | abrotman, do you have any hint about where to start? kernel-image is 2.6.8-2-k7, sound card is via ac97. |
| 01:49.47 | abrotman | pzn: are you using alsa? |
| 01:49.55 | pzn | abrotman, and of course, the speakers are plugged in :-) |
| 01:50.08 | jim | LuPuZ: it's the kernel that would or wouldn't support your nic |
| 01:50.13 | jim | what kind of nic? |
| 01:50.18 | asg | spoopin: hopefully, dunno yet for sure. (read http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/excerpt/swarrior_ch13/index1.html (UPNP Attack) for a hint) |
| 01:50.22 | LuPuZ | onboard on an asus p4pe |
| 01:50.32 | abrotman | pzn: alsa |
| 01:50.33 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:50.34 | LuPuZ | it was the same thing when i had gentoo... Damn os :P |
| 01:50.39 | pzn | abrotman, I don't know. just piping sound to /dev/dsp as before and now it is now working anymore. how to know if I am using alsa? |
| 01:50.49 | EvanCarroll | When i run atop, it shows that out of my 2gb of total memmory 1.7gb is cache, how do check what is using that cache or what allocated it? |
| 01:50.58 | jim | LuPuZ: so you were never able to get it working? (hmm, maybe I have that?) |
| 01:51.15 | jim | I have an asus with a sis chipset,,, that sound familiar? |
| 01:51.24 | abrotman | pzn: i don't know . i just used it .. it was magic |
| 01:51.27 | LuPuZ | i got it working on gentoo.. with the drivers i have on the cd... but the whole gentoo was all crap on me :S |
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| 01:51.48 | LuPuZ | the name on my NIC is: bcm5700 |
| 01:51.49 | jim | I anva an asus p4sgx |
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| 01:52.37 | asg | EvanCarroll: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 01:52.38 | LuPuZ | i just don't know how to install it as an module... or unpack them :P haven't been using unix for a while :P |
| 01:52.39 | spoopin | asg: you know that book is on your shelf, right? |
| 01:52.41 | abrotman | pzn: use discover .. install alsa .. say a prayer |
| 01:52.49 | asg | spoopin: yes, kind of ironic |
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| 01:53.03 | spoopin | asg: got hit with that today? |
| 01:53.04 | Otavio | i have a bcm5700 on my note. |
| 01:53.17 | jim | LuPuZ: does lspci say anything about your nic? |
| 01:53.33 | Dull4o4 | Hey, anyone know how to check wich sarge build /RC net-cd I have? |
| 01:53.42 | Otavio | yes |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | it doesn't really matter |
| 01:53.45 | asg | spoopin: yes, still being hit in fact, but it's being managed for the time being. We will be doing forensics tomorrow. |
| 01:53.46 | LuPuZ | unknown device |
| 01:53.50 | Otavio | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.55 | asg | spoopin: it's internal though |
| 01:54.12 | Otavio | you get the drivers from broadcom? |
| 01:54.17 | LuPuZ | the ethernet controller says: broadcom unknown device |
| 01:54.18 | EvanCarroll | asg: right but is there a way to tell what programs are being cache and what the status of the cache is ? |
| 01:54.21 | spoopin | asg: hmmm. Sounds like an unwelcome distraction. |
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| 01:54.26 | jim | LuPuZ and Otavio: cat /proc/version |
| 01:54.40 | LuPuZ | Yeah i have the driver on the cd... but i don't know how to get them into debian :P |
| 01:54.41 | asg | spoopin: yes, but it beats what I was supposed to be doing this week so ... ;) |
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| 01:54.50 | Otavio | i just compile the drivers and worked.. |
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| 01:54.55 | asg | spoopin: it did mean I didn't get home until 7pm |
| 01:55.03 | Otavio | 2.6.8 |
| 01:55.19 | spoopin | asg: I meant to tell you not to make copies for me of the Maiden. Turns out that Mom's magic attic spawned another copy of the book. |
| 01:55.20 | LuPuZ | Octavio: can you help me compile them so i can get it working? :P |
| 01:55.33 | jim | would latest 2.4 support that card? |
| 01:55.34 | spoopin | asg: Suckage. |
| 01:55.38 | asg | EvanCarroll: generally, the most frequently used programs are cached but, offhand, I don't know how to find out specifically. |
| 01:55.39 | Otavio | yes |
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| 01:55.50 | jim | to which? ::) |
| 01:55.51 | asg | spoopin: haha, rock. |
| 01:55.54 | Otavio | just get the drivers from broadcom |
| 01:56.14 | asg | spoopin: not too bad, we did get to scare a cute media librarian. |
| 01:56.16 | johnga1t | after using cfdisk to partition a disk, how do i make file system? mke2fs /dev/hda1 ? |
| 01:56.20 | jim | so Broadcom is supportng linux pretty good? |
| 01:56.24 | swatikiss | what brand CDRs would you guys recommend... ive been having trouble with some sony cds... and need to restock tomorrow..... |
| 01:56.25 | abrotman | well |
| 01:56.28 | abrotman | pretty well |
| 01:56.29 | Otavio | for me its ok! |
| 01:56.34 | abrotman | jim: and no |
| 01:56.39 | LuPuZ | Octavio: i already have them... but dunno how to get them from the cd into my os :P |
| 01:56.41 | DoppelGanger | johnga1t: mke2fs -j /dev/hda1 for ext3 mkreisers for reiserfs |
| 01:56.46 | abrotman | jim: decent drivers . not open |
| 01:56.51 | jim | ahh |
| 01:56.53 | Otavio | you got the sources? |
| 01:56.57 | jim | so binary only? |
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| 01:57.07 | johnga1t | DoppelGanger: what about ext2? |
| 01:57.16 | jim | and so someone else wrote open source drivers? |
| 01:57.19 | DoppelGanger | your original one does ext2 |
| 01:57.20 | spoopin | asg: :) |
| 01:57.28 | Otavio | i just get the sources and compiled with gcc 3.3 and kernel 2.6 |
| 01:57.29 | DoppelGanger | johnga1t: i never recommend ext2 |
| 01:57.33 | pzn | abrotman, installing alsa solved! thanks! my pray was good :-) |
| 01:57.38 | LuPuZ | Octavio i have bcm5700-2.2.34.tar.gz |
| 01:57.43 | DoppelGanger | not unless you hate yourself and like watching disk repair |
| 01:57.47 | asg | spoopin: so, was J's offer decent enough? |
| 01:57.50 | abrotman | pzn: yay |
| 01:57.51 | jim | Otavio: he can comfortably do 2.2 or 2.4 |
| 01:57.52 | Otavio | what version of kernel? |
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| 01:58.04 | Otavio | jim: 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 01:58.05 | johnga1t | DoppelGanger: will i encounter problems if this is mounted by a system who's drive is ext2? |
| 01:58.10 | Otavio | only |
| 01:58.13 | LuPuZ | dunno... how do i see the kernel version? :P |
| 01:58.16 | jim | until and unless he upgrades to sarge that is |
| 01:58.17 | Otavio | 2.2 has no support! |
| 01:58.18 | pzn | abrotman, now I'll reboot to check how sound hardware is detected by discover at boot time! thanks! |
| 01:58.38 | jim | LuPuZ: cat /proc/version or uname -a or uname -r |
| 01:58.39 | DoppelGanger | johnga1t: no, as long as your kernel supports ext3, 2 or reiserfs you won't have a problem |
| 01:58.40 | Otavio | lupuz: unpack it in somewhere |
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| 01:58.52 | abrotman | pzn: have fun |
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| 01:58.56 | spoopin | asg: Perfect. I had to e-mail him with an address and start date. |
| 01:59.01 | johnga1t | DoppelGanger: btw, you know of a good place to read about quota systems |
| 01:59.09 | asg | spoopin: cool, when are you looking to start? |
| 01:59.09 | LuPuZ | i have 2.2.20-idepci |
| 01:59.13 | spoopin | asg: I'm working on my formal resignation now :) |
| 01:59.14 | asg | !idepci |
| 01:59.14 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes greycat cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 01:59.14 | jim | LuPuZ: how are you connected here right now? |
| 01:59.14 | DoppelGanger | johnga1t: no sorry not off hand |
| 01:59.15 | johnga1t | DoppelGanger: (and i'm guessing 2.4.18 has ext3 support? |
| 01:59.22 | DoppelGanger | johnga1t: yes it does |
| 01:59.23 | asg | spoopin: :) good to have you on board. |
| 01:59.24 | Otavio | so... you have a problem! |
| 01:59.33 | spoopin | asg: Looks like May 23 - two weeks and a couple days |
| 01:59.38 | jim | Otavio: not insurmountable tho |
| 01:59.42 | LuPuZ | jim: i have several computers... and 4 internet connections :P |
| 01:59.50 | spoopin | asg: indeed! |
| 01:59.51 | asg | spoopin: cool, that'll allow me to get my vacation in and we can get to it afterwards. |
| 01:59.54 | DoppelGanger | w00t the shield |
| 02:00.11 | spoopin | asg: yep - I thought so too. |
| 02:00.14 | jim | LuPuZ: ahh, I was hoping you wouldn't say "this is my only computer and I'm now booted into win 3.0" |
| 02:00.16 | Otavio | LuPuZ: you must upgrade to 2.4 or 2.6 to get your NIC working. |
| 02:00.22 | Dull4o4 | uerh,... wtf? sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
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| 02:00.38 | asg | spoopin: and now that sarge is frozen, we will have plenty of work to do ;) |
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| 02:01.00 | LuPuZ | Octavio: DOH :S ... i think i will be asking here in a couple of hours again then :P |
| 02:01.02 | spoopin | asg: I'm sure. |
| 02:01.15 | jim | let's get him a 2.4 kernel-image package and have him reboot into it |
| 02:01.23 | spoopin | asg: You got a minute to give me a call here? |
| 02:01.26 | jim | Otavio: that sound good? |
| 02:01.33 | asg | spoopin: yeah, hang on. |
| 02:01.36 | Otavio | jim: it's ok |
| 02:01.42 | spoopin | asg: whenever you're ready |
| 02:01.43 | Dull4o4 | spoopin, may 23 what? release of sarge? |
| 02:01.55 | LuPuZ | Octavio: can you give an link to where i can get 2.4 or 2.6 images? |
| 02:01.56 | Otavio | jim: and about the modules! |
| 02:01.59 | spoopin | Dull404: no. Starting a new job. |
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| 02:02.01 | jim | he -cannot- run 2.6 without lots of pain until he upgrades |
| 02:02.13 | n9ne | does debian have a feature where it automaticly checks for security updates and applies them? |
| 02:02.20 | Dull4o4 | spoopin, oh sorry, got too many windows open.... read.. sarge... and .. may ;) |
| 02:02.21 | LuPuZ | I have downloaded the 7 CD version... 3.0rc4 package |
| 02:02.27 | jim | Otavio: woody should be able to handle the modules |
| 02:02.28 | n9ne | Sarge version |
| 02:02.54 | Dull4o4 | LuPuZ, why not netinstall? ;) 1 CD |
| 02:03.02 | jim | LuPuZ: ugh!! you don't need CDs! (that was a LOT of bandwidth...) |
| 02:03.03 | Otavio | jim: 2.2 modules works with 2.4? |
| 02:03.17 | Otavio | jim: i've nerver tried... |
| 02:03.27 | jim | Otavio: sheesh :) no, let's first get him into 2.4 |
| 02:03.43 | jim | Otavio: do you understand how kernel-image packages work? |
| 02:04.05 | LuPuZ | but i can't get my NIC to work... i can't netinstall if the NIC aint working :P |
| 02:04.08 | jim | he doesn't need 2.2 modules once he's in 2.4 |
| 02:04.09 | Otavio | jim: a litle! |
| 02:04.40 | jim | LuPuZ: what are the ways you can get stuff into your laptop? |
| 02:04.42 | Otavio | LuPuZ: i have the same problem.. :) |
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| 02:05.16 | Otavio | LuPuZ: but i have a redhat version in another partion! So a boot and chroot! |
| 02:05.19 | LuPuZ | jim: i don't have an laptop... that's my server i'm trying to install debian on |
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| 02:05.58 | johnga1t | DoppelGanger: and how should i add to mtab to get mounted on boot? |
| 02:05.58 | Otavio | LuPuz: you have linux in another computer of your network? |
| 02:05.59 | Guerin | LuPuZ: go down to the nearest computer shop and spend $5 on a brand new shiny rlt8139 |
| 02:06.06 | johnga1t | DoppelGanger: (sorry to be so ignorant) |
| 02:06.07 | Guerin | actually |
| 02:06.14 | Guerin | you can probably get one for closer to $2 |
| 02:06.38 | Otavio | Guerin: hahaha.. here in Brazil is not so easy! hahahaha |
| 02:07.03 | LuPuZ | Octavio: no i don't have linux in any other comp... Guerin: It's 4 am where i live |
| 02:07.13 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:07.19 | LuPuZ | And i really want my 1gb NIC to work |
| 02:07.32 | Dull4o4 | LuPuZ, 4am here too :P |
| 02:07.35 | LuPuZ | cause i transfer files between my lan comps and all has 1gb |
| 02:07.46 | Otavio | Lupuz: i will find a URL so you can get the kernel! |
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| 02:08.13 | Otavio | LuPuz: i will put into my server here and you get it! |
| 02:08.24 | LuPuZ | Thx a lot... sorry for being such a pain... but i just want it started... and i know i will search and find wrong files :P |
| 02:08.30 | jim | Otavio: kernel-image packages have all the modules possible to compile in the package... so, install one package, have the image, modules, config file and arrange to boot all in one |
| 02:09.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell inaian`away`away about away |
| 02:09.06 | asg | inaian`away`away: please turn that off. Thanks. |
| 02:09.07 | aardvark | !tell inaian`away`away about away |
| 02:09.09 | jim | Otavio: and you can also build your own kernel (which you know) and package it (which you might know) |
| 02:09.41 | Otavio | LuPuZ: i have a 2.4 version in on server here. But i've built it with all necessary modules |
| 02:09.42 | inaian`away`away | hey FUCK OFF |
| 02:09.51 | inaian`away`away | assholes |
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| 02:09.56 | Guerin | inaian`away`away: hey, fuck YOU |
| 02:10.01 | Guerin | motherfucker |
| 02:10.01 | abrotman | too late |
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| 02:10.11 | aardvark | i hate brazil. |
| 02:10.12 | Xenguy | "relax" - heh |
| 02:10.16 | Otavio | LuPuz: as jim said. so my server kernel don't need modules.. i will pass it to you and we see! |
| 02:10.23 | LuPuZ | Octavio i have sarge-i386-netinst.iso burned on an cd but that i got an error as soon i start install :S |
| 02:10.32 | johnga1t | DoppelGanger: thanks again for the help. later |
| 02:10.51 | jim | Otavio: he needs the -package- |
| 02:10.51 | a33000 | I've been trying to compile pgadmin, but I get an error: configure: error: you must specify a valid pgsql installation with --with-pgsql=DIR -- but there's no such thing as pgsql, only psql! |
| 02:10.55 | Otavio | LuPuZ: i have the same problem. Than i use the woody version and upgrade to 2.6. |
| 02:11.12 | LuPuZ | where i get the woody? |
| 02:11.15 | Guerin | woody + 2.6 = not fun |
| 02:11.19 | Delph | a33000: psql is a program |
| 02:11.21 | Guerin | !d-i |
| 02:11.21 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 02:11.26 | Guerin | use that ^^ |
| 02:11.31 | Delph | a33000: note that that's asking for a *DIR* or directory |
| 02:11.33 | Otavio | LuPuZ: You are using lilo right? |
| 02:11.44 | jim | why are people advocating d-i when debian is ALREADY INSTALLED? |
| 02:11.44 | Otavio | Guerin: why not? |
| 02:11.45 | Guerin | since sarge has now frozen, there's almost no good reason to install a new machine with woody |
| 02:11.48 | abrotman | a33000: why are you compiling postgresql? |
| 02:11.51 | a33000 | Delph I did, and I supplied /usr/lib/postgresql/ |
| 02:12.01 | Guerin | Otavio: 2.6 was just a twinkle in Linus' eye when woody was released |
| 02:12.06 | a33000 | abrotman I am compiling pgadmin, not postrgesql |
| 02:12.10 | Delph | a33000: why are you compiling it, anyway? |
| 02:12.17 | abrotman | a33000: it's in debian afaik |
| 02:12.23 | LuPuZ | Octavio... yeah |
| 02:12.26 | Otavio | Guerin: but sarge use a testing version of debian |
| 02:12.27 | abrotman | oh .. guess not |
| 02:12.34 | Guerin | jim: i wasn't aware it was |
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| 02:12.49 | Guerin | Otavio: which has just frozen and is about to be released as a stable version |
| 02:12.56 | asg | Otavio: and now has security support |
| 02:12.57 | cafuego | jim: if you don't use d-i, wipe and reinstall, you won't know how l33+ h4xx0rz d-i is! |
| 02:13.04 | a33000 | Delph because the deb required wx widgets -- 2.5.2.3 and above, but debian has only up to 2.4, so I compiled those, now compiling pgadmin |
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| 02:13.06 | Guerin | ooh |
| 02:13.11 | Guerin | i have today and tomorrow off work |
| 02:13.17 | asg | !win Guerin |
| 02:13.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 02:13.19 | Guerin | time to upgrade my woody box to sarge :) |
| 02:13.20 | Delph | what's wrong with pgadmin3, then? |
| 02:13.21 | LuPuZ | Octavio: i got woody-i386-1.iso also... is that it? |
| 02:13.44 | Otavio | LuPuZ: it? ok |
| 02:13.45 | Delph | if the deb has the incorrect widgets compiled in or something, then you need to file a bug against it. |
| 02:13.58 | a33000 | pgadmin3: Depends: libwxgtk2.5.3 (>= 2.5.3.2) but it is not installable <--- even though I compiled 2.6 |
| 02:14.00 | jim | LuPuZ: what we have to do is get a kernel-image .deb file on your laptop, then you install it... |
| 02:14.16 | jim | then you either use existing driver or else build the one for 2.4 |
| 02:14.26 | a33000 | so what should I do with it? |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | sounds like a totally fucked system |
| 02:14.57 | BhaalWK | Has anyone here had experience with the ActivCard AAA Server? Is there anyway to get it to work on Linux? |
| 02:15.02 | a33000 | abrotman I don't see why. |
| 02:15.15 | Delph | a33000: your system is screwed. |
| 02:15.29 | Delph | have you gone through an update cycle with apt recently? |
| 02:15.31 | abrotman | see . i'm not the only one |
| 02:15.33 | jim | LuPuZ: what cpu do you have? |
| 02:15.52 | a33000 | Delph my system is not screwed, latest libwxgtk deb is 2.4 |
| 02:15.59 | stew | !wayc a33000 |
| 02:16.00 | dpkg | a33000: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 02:16.00 | LuPuZ | jim: pf 2.53ghz |
| 02:16.01 | Delph | a33000: in testing or unstable? |
| 02:16.01 | a33000 | Delph in all distributions |
| 02:16.05 | LuPuZ | *p4* |
| 02:16.08 | Delph | a33000: lies. |
| 02:16.10 | a33000 | Delph in *all* distributions |
| 02:16.18 | a33000 | Delph lies? go search debian.org packages |
| 02:16.26 | jim | LuPuZ: ok... |
| 02:16.26 | Otavio | LuPuZ: http://www.otavio.eng.br/kernel.tar.gz |
| 02:16.39 | Delph | delph@light:~$ apt-cache policy libwxgtk2.5.3 |
| 02:16.43 | Delph | 2.5.3.2 |
| 02:16.56 | jim | Otavio: is that a 2.6? |
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| 02:17.03 | Otavio | jim: no 2,4 |
| 02:17.05 | LuPuZ | thx octavio |
| 02:17.07 | a33000 | Delph I updated, I searched, it's not there |
| 02:17.12 | abrotman | Delph: experimental? |
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| 02:17.16 | Otavio | jim: i have here the driver to bcm compiled to this version |
| 02:17.21 | Delph | abrotman: sid |
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| 02:17.25 | Otavio | so i will pass too! |
| 02:17.29 | LuPuZ | I get : Resource not found |
| 02:17.31 | abrotman | !info libwxgtk sid |
| 02:17.33 | abrotman | err |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | !info libwxgtk2.4 sid |
| 02:17.41 | dpkg | libwxgtk2.4: (wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (GTK+ runtime)), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.4.2.6.1 (sid), Packaged size: 1867 kB, Installed size: 5620 kB |
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| 02:18.04 | jim | p4 is what? 686? |
| 02:18.08 | asg | jim: yes |
| 02:18.08 | IDC | sarge is gonna become the stable relese in one month ? |
| 02:18.16 | asg | IDC: looks like it |
| 02:18.16 | LuPuZ | jim: i think so... |
| 02:18.28 | a33000 | abrotman I can't find it |
| 02:18.30 | Dull4o4 | asg, finaly :P |
| 02:18.43 | abrotman | a33000: ok |
| 02:18.45 | IDC | asg, cool :D hey i think i will have to upgrade to sid <?> to stick with the testing by then :D |
| 02:18.45 | asg | Dull4o4: good things come to those who wait |
| 02:18.51 | stew | IDC: one "debian month" though, don't know how many human months that is |
| 02:18.57 | stew | IDC: hopefully only one |
| 02:18.58 | asg | IDC: no, testing will continue |
| 02:19.01 | IDC | or sid is forever the unstable ? |
| 02:19.04 | LuPuZ | Octavio: No pipeline matched request: kernel.tar.gz |
| 02:19.05 | asg | IDC: yes |
| 02:19.10 | c01100011 | any one know any bookies , willing to place bets on sarge's release ? |
| 02:19.15 | stew | !etch |
| 02:19.15 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 02:19.18 | asg | c01100011: /msg dpkg sarge pool |
| 02:19.21 | jim | LuPuZ: hold on... |
| 02:19.24 | IDC | stew, haha :) |
| 02:19.41 | jim | he's sending you a tarball, what you need is the debian package |
| 02:19.41 | Dull4o4 | asg, need to change repos to get security updates? someone said as long as sarge is unstable there are no security updates.... |
| 02:19.56 | c01100011 | asg- I can't even crack a joke without getting a swift /meg or dpkg answer these days |
| 02:19.58 | Otavio | LuPuz: try it: http://www.e-oficina.com.br/kernel.tar.gz |
| 02:19.58 | asg | Dull4o4: just make your security source point to sarge |
| 02:20.07 | jim | he's sending you a tarball, what you need is the debian package |
| 02:20.10 | Dull4o4 | asg, ok |
| 02:20.11 | asg | c01100011: we are very efficient |
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| 02:20.16 | a33000 | in any case, what should I put for pgsql directory, if there is no directory that has pGsql |
| 02:20.20 | stew | Dull4o4: sarge was never unstable, sarge was testing, but now sarge is frozen, sarge will be getting security updates now |
| 02:20.30 | samw | LEAVE |
| 02:20.34 | asg | samw: /quit |
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| 02:20.51 | samw | I think this client is borked... |
| 02:21.05 | Dull4o4 | stew, well i ment "testing"... ok good :) |
| 02:21.06 | asg | or some VMS thing perhaps |
| 02:21.07 | LuPuZ | Octavio: it worked... and now what? |
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| 02:21.23 | Ghetek | is there a brave soul out there willing to help me get my nvidia card (geforce 5500 256mb) working on linux (2.6 kde) |
| 02:21.26 | jim | LuPuz: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.27-i386/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686_2.4.27-8_i386.deb |
| 02:21.30 | Ugly_Duck | any one good with exim4? |
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| 02:21.39 | IDC | stew, so i should uncomment the secure update in source.list now ? i am on sarge |
| 02:21.41 | asg | Ugly_Duck: #exim is, otherwise, ask your question. |
| 02:21.53 | Otavio | LuPuz: get the jim one... it's better |
| 02:21.59 | Ugly_Duck | asg: every one is away in #exim |
| 02:21.59 | keenan | a33000: seems like the packages are broken, libwxgtk2.5.3 is missing, file a bug report |
| 02:22.00 | a33000 | Delph how do I install pgadmin3 debian without the dependency? |
| 02:22.00 | LuPuZ | oki... got it... |
| 02:22.01 | c01100011 | now that i am betting my first child and moms house on sarge's release, maybe i will get to my real goal. Does anyone know of any how to make TCP/IP work for dummies / pre-requisits for setting up sarge tutorials ? |
| 02:22.04 | LuPuZ | now what? :P |
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| 02:22.10 | jim | which did you get? |
| 02:22.11 | asg | Ugly_Duck: well, ask away, we might know how to help |
| 02:22.19 | a33000 | keenan ok; but in the mean time? |
| 02:22.23 | Dull4o4 | stew, so there will be a later debian installer than RC3 ? |
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| 02:22.29 | Otavio | LuPuz: jim pass you a link.. it's better.. you will got a complete version... |
| 02:22.29 | Delph | a33000: i'd make sure my sources.list contained sid, then apt-get install pgadmin3. |
| 02:22.30 | ariel | hi guys, how are you, I was wondering why I can't browse my fat32 mounted partitions with normal users account ?, those partitions are available for root only |
| 02:22.31 | LuPuZ | jim: yours |
| 02:22.40 | stew | IDC: /msg dpkg security, but substitute sarge for stable |
| 02:22.41 | asg | ariel: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 02:22.42 | Otavio | LuPuz: with all modules |
| 02:22.52 | keenan | a33000: if you're compiling it you probably need to install some more -dev packages |
| 02:22.52 | jim | ok, get that thing onto your laptop and feed it to dpkg -i |
| 02:22.53 | stew | Dull4o4: there will not be another RC |
| 02:22.58 | Ugly_Duck | condition = {!${lookup mysql{MYSQL_Q_ALLOWFILES}{1}{0}} \ |
| 02:22.58 | Ugly_Duck | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.13 | abrotman | what kind of question is that? |
| 02:23.14 | jim | that might have the module. |
| 02:23.15 | a33000 | keenan good point |
| 02:23.15 | Ugly_Duck | MYSQL_Q_ALLOWFILES=select domain from MYSQL_ALLOWFILES where domain='${quote_mysql:$domain}' AND local_part='${quote_mysql:$local_part} AND opt_allowfiles = 1 ( 1 - allow files ) |
| 02:23.16 | LuPuZ | Yeah... but shall i burn it in nero and mount the cd? |
| 02:23.20 | Dull4o4 | stew, ok thanks |
| 02:23.24 | Ugly_Duck | thats what i need help with |
| 02:23.28 | jim | if not, you can get the headers and build separately |
| 02:23.28 | IDC | stew, thanks ,brb,my neighbour calls me for checking his new computer he just bought :D |
| 02:23.40 | keenan | a33000: but the whole point of debian is that you shouldn't have to compile anything unless you want to hack on it |
| 02:23.46 | Ugly_Duck | when the SQL statement is executed.. the local_part and domain have blanks with no data |
| 02:23.50 | Dull4o4 | Ugly_Duck, heard of #flood ? |
| 02:23.53 | Ugly_Duck | so the statement fails |
| 02:23.54 | jim | basically you do: |
| 02:23.55 | Otavio | jim: the bcm is not distributed |
| 02:23.57 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: wrong damn channel .. |
| 02:23.58 | ariel | hi guys, how are you, I was wondering why I can't browse my fat32 mounted partitions with normal users account ?, those partitions are available for root only |
| 02:24.01 | abrotman | so fucking wrong channel |
| 02:24.11 | abrotman | ariel: man mount;man fstab |
| 02:24.14 | jim | dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686_2.4.27-8_i386.deb |
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| 02:24.47 | MobyTurbo | dpkg -S foo.deb |
| 02:24.48 | dpkg | Package: foo.deb: Status: install ok installed |
| 02:24.52 | Ghetek | true geek humor "(19:20:23) ***dpkg installs kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686_2.4.27-8_i386.deb into jim's head with a jackhammer" |
| 02:24.54 | asg | Ugly_Duck: I'd got to the exim mailing lists with that one. |
| 02:25.01 | c01100011 | where can i find a good tcp/ip setuo for complete idiots walk through ? |
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| 02:25.09 | Ugly_Duck | asg: ahh.. okies, thanks any ways |
| 02:25.15 | jim | Ghetek: from the bot of a true geek :) |
| 02:25.20 | stew | c01100011: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 02:25.22 | asg | c01100011: man 5 interfaces ; /msg dpkg faq |
| 02:25.22 | ariel | abrotman: I edited /etc/fstab but it's the same, fat32 partitions are available only for root |
| 02:25.26 | Cybodog | I forgot how to reconfigure X on debain: would someone point me out? |
| 02:25.36 | stew | !drxx Cybodog |
| 02:25.37 | abrotman | ariel: man mount ... |
| 02:25.37 | dpkg | Cybodog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 02:25.39 | asg | Ugly_Duck: that's a little too involved for irc. |
| 02:25.46 | nignog | hi |
| 02:25.50 | Cybodog | doh, I was all over that |
| 02:25.53 | Otavio | LuPuz: get that: http://www.e-oficina.com.br/bcm5700.o |
| 02:25.59 | jim | c01100011: walkthrus are rare, because network situations are often totally different from each other |
| 02:26.00 | Cybodog | had it visa versa |
| 02:26.06 | a33000 | keenan seems like the dev package didn't help, can't locate pgsql |
| 02:26.31 | stew | a33000: what started all of this compiling nonsence, what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 02:26.43 | a33000 | stew: install pgadmin3 |
| 02:26.43 | Otavio | LuPuZ: get that: http://www.e-oficina.com.br/bcm5700.o |
| 02:27.00 | c01100011 | jim - i have clue where to start- my overall goal is just to get samba working enough to get my mp3s from my linux box to a windows xp |
| 02:27.02 | ariel | abrotman: I also read it, but normal users have denied access anyway |
| 02:27.12 | Otavio | LuPuZ: it is the binary version of the driver to 2.4 kernel |
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| 02:27.16 | keenan | hmm, how come libwxgtk2.5.3 doesn't show up when i search packages.debian.org, even though it has a page at http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libwxgtk2.5.3 ? |
| 02:27.20 | Ghetek | whenever i see my linux loading i see a mysql app loading, i dont run a server at all... how do i delete it? |
| 02:27.30 | stew | a33000: are you on woody / sarge / or sid? |
| 02:27.32 | ariel | abrotman: weird, isn't it? |
| 02:27.34 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 02:27.34 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 02:27.42 | jim | c01100011: ok, but are both machines connected to the net? |
| 02:27.50 | Ugly_Duck | asg: ahh... right, was in hope that some one new a little about it |
| 02:27.53 | jim | and can they ping each other |
| 02:27.54 | aardvark | Ghetek: you're not running debian, you're using knoppix. |
| 02:27.54 | c01100011 | jim - yes |
| 02:27.57 | jim | and can they ping each other |
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| 02:28.04 | c01100011 | jim - no |
| 02:28.15 | Ghetek | doesnt knoppix use debian? |
| 02:28.21 | jim | ok, next step, find out why |
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| 02:28.30 | abrotman | Ghetek: #knoppix |
| 02:28.32 | stew | Ghetek: we don't support knoppix here, they have their own channel |
| 02:28.47 | c01100011 | jim - tcp/ip isn't setup at all, they can ping eachothers ip adresses just not names |
| 02:28.48 | Ghetek | but nobody there knows anything!!!!! |
| 02:28.56 | stew | !tell Ghetek about they don't know |
| 02:29.01 | abrotman | that doesn't make this the right place to ask |
| 02:29.01 | a33000 | stew woody / testing |
| 02:29.08 | abrotman | woody/testing ? |
| 02:29.09 | jim | c01100011: so they can both ping by number? |
| 02:29.17 | c01100011 | yes |
| 02:29.19 | stew | a33000: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
| 02:29.32 | c01100011 | jim - and even vnc |
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| 02:29.46 | a33000 | heh |
| 02:30.04 | stew | a33000: you can't mix woody and testing, /msg dpkg woody->sarge ; to upgrade fully to sarge, then you can backport the pgadmin3 package with /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; or just install the sid package with /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 02:30.47 | jim | c01100011: ping 216.109.112.135 |
| 02:30.59 | jim | from each machine... successful on both? |
| 02:31.06 | mindframe | why is my apache server trying to have me download my php files when i browse to them? |
| 02:31.13 | a33000 | stew: how do I find out which version I have? Kernel's 2.4.27, Debian 3.0r5 |
| 02:31.29 | stew | a33000: what version does dpkg -l libc6 report? |
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| 02:31.33 | jim | a33000: you have late woody |
| 02:31.37 | bob2 | mindframe: /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian |
| 02:31.40 | cafuego | mindframe: apache not set up properly |
| 02:31.45 | bob2 | mindframe: unless you're using apache2, in which case, you lose |
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| 02:31.52 | mindframe | heh no apache2 |
| 02:31.57 | a33000 | stew 2.3.2.ds1-21 |
| 02:32.09 | stew | a33000: you have at least partially dist-upgraded to sarge then |
| 02:32.23 | jim | well you don't -lose-... but you'll have to build the whole thing yourself |
| 02:32.44 | asg | well, you can use apache2-mpm-prefork but then you gain nothing and may as well use apache 1.3.x |
| 02:32.45 | stew | a33000: /msg dpkg woody->sarge ; to complete the upgrade |
| 02:33.02 | a33000 | stew is that a good idea? |
| 02:33.15 | furrywolf | what's that unofficial repository that starts with "ma" and I can't remember the name of? :) |
| 02:33.18 | bob2 | jim: no, you just have to read the documentation |
| 02:33.19 | jim | it's getting better and better, yes |
| 02:33.21 | stew | a33000: its a lot better than running a partially upgraded version |
| 02:33.22 | asg | furrywolf: marillat |
| 02:33.32 | a33000 | stew ty. |
| 02:33.35 | bob2 | jim: there's php support in sarge's apache |
| 02:33.37 | bob2 | 2 |
| 02:33.39 | furrywolf | that's the one. |
| 02:33.40 | jim | bob2: ok, I see why you're counting that as a loss :) |
| 02:33.41 | a33000 | stew++ |
| 02:34.15 | stew | !eat me |
| 02:34.21 | asg | bravo |
| 02:34.34 | jim | raw stewage! |
| 02:34.35 | c01100011 | jim - yep they 216.109...... just fine |
| 02:34.47 | Ghetek | do debian people hate knoppix people? |
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| 02:34.56 | asg | Ghetek: no, we just don't support them |
| 02:34.58 | abrotman | it's not debian |
| 02:35.02 | abrotman | what's so hard to understand |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | knoppix!=debian |
| 02:35.26 | cafuego | Ghetek: No, only knoppix people that insist debian people MUST give them support. |
| 02:35.26 | asg | Ghetek: we are a little irritated by the fact that knoppix dumps people in here by default though. |
| 02:35.31 | jim | c01100011: ok, good... that means one of two things are done for both machines. that one thing is the physical connection. |
| 02:35.44 | jim | what is not working yet, is name service |
| 02:36.16 | c01100011 | jim - yeah that is where i quit the last instruction set i had |
| 02:36.18 | johnga1t | anyone know why free might report different total memory size than my bios? |
| 02:36.21 | Ghetek | i didnt insist, the first time i decided to get started in linux i came in here, i asked for a good distro and someone said knoppix, sorry for bugging. |
| 02:36.21 | jim | c01100011: btw... what happens if you ping yahoo.com? |
| 02:36.31 | asg | johnga1t: how different? |
| 02:36.38 | abrotman | Ghetek: oh .. you got lied to :) |
| 02:36.39 | stew | johnga1t: some of your memory being shared with the video card? |
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| 02:36.43 | cafuego | johnga1t: You have 1GB and free reports 960 Mb? |
| 02:36.48 | johnga1t | asg: 1gb on "free", 1.5gb in bios |
| 02:36.56 | johnga1t | stew: nope, don't believe so |
| 02:36.59 | cafuego | johnga1t: You need HIGHMEM support. |
| 02:37.00 | abrotman | you gave your video card 512MB? :) |
| 02:37.17 | asg | johnga1t: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 02:37.21 | johnga1t | abrotman: (wassup. remember me, i'm the guy w/ the crazy appliance) |
| 02:37.27 | cafuego | johnga1t: You need to set HIGHMEM to 4 GB, then it'll see the lot. magic undocumented. |
| 02:37.29 | johnga1t | 2.4.18-686 |
| 02:37.31 | asg | abrotman: teledildonics? |
| 02:37.34 | jim | computer people like gbs, a few music people like beegees |
| 02:37.36 | c01100011 | jim- no problem on either they both ping yahoo.com |
| 02:37.40 | johnga1t | cafuego: how do i do that? |
| 02:37.55 | jim | c01100011: ok, so your name service DOES work |
| 02:37.55 | cafuego | johnga1t: You'll need to compile yourself a fresh kernel. |
| 02:37.56 | asg | johnga1t: you'll need a newer non-woody kernel or recompile a custom one with HIGHMEM support as suggested above |
| 02:38.02 | c01100011 | jim - sorry for the slow responces but i have to run up and down stairs to test the xp box |
| 02:38.02 | johnga1t | cafuego: (that sounds like somethign from the days of MSDOS :) ) |
| 02:38.11 | johnga1t | ahhh shit. |
| 02:38.24 | cafuego | johnga1t: No, that was himem.sys and referred to a 640Kb limit, not a 960Mb one ;-) |
| 02:38.25 | asg | johnga1t: the sarge kernels have that by default, the woody kernels don't |
| 02:38.27 | stew | johnga1t: except for the 1.5 gig part :) |
| 02:38.39 | johnga1t | cafuego: i know. but "himem" brought back some painful memories :) |
| 02:38.47 | asg | !edlin johnga1t |
| 02:38.47 | abrotman | johnga1t: yes .. i do |
| 02:38.59 | jim | c01100011: so both computers are fully connected to the net... the only thing is, neither have names |
| 02:39.05 | cafuego | asg: dpkg is off with a fairies |
| 02:39.07 | c01100011 | jim - yep |
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| 02:39.19 | asg | !botsnack |
| 02:39.19 | dpkg | asg: aw, gee |
| 02:39.24 | asg | cafuego: but still hungry |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | asg: dianetics ? |
| 02:39.25 | johnga1t | asg: heh. that's old school. |
| 02:40.01 | johnga1t | alright folks. thanks for the help. |
| 02:40.13 | johnga1t | no time for kernel recompiles tonight ... i'll be back to bug y'all later. |
| 02:40.31 | asg | abrotman: I was curious about what you did with johnga1t's 'crazy appliance' |
| 02:40.49 | jim | so I still want to know how people go about documenting data models and modules that define a small piece of a data model that fits into the rest |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | asg: i didn't do anything .. he had a picture frame or something he wanted to install linux on :) |
| 02:40.58 | johnga1t | asg: you got a hold of an aaeon unit? |
| 02:41.02 | asg | abrotman: haha |
| 02:41.10 | asg | johnga1t: no, only a Zaurus |
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| 02:41.31 | johnga1t | asg: are they worth the money? |
| 02:41.38 | dan2 | asg: yo |
| 02:41.52 | asg | johnga1t: no, cool, but not worth the money (the newer ones might be, the SL series isn't) |
| 02:41.55 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 02:42.06 | johnga1t | abrotman: the "crazy appliance" i had was a heaping pile of shit. the manufacturers are very sloppy and don't cover there own screw ups. |
| 02:42.16 | johnga1t | abrotman: stay away, in case you were tempted to check them out. |
| 02:42.34 | asg | dan2: all your sources in git yet? :) |
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| 02:42.59 | abrotman | johnga1t: i remember your pictures |
| 02:43.09 | keenan | i think libwxgtk2.5.3 is really missing - i can't install pythoncard or amule or anything that uses it |
| 02:43.17 | kevin06 | I am using GRIP, but when I attempt to Rip and Encode a CD, I get the message "Invalid Encoder Executable". How would I configure this to use oggenc? |
| 02:43.30 | keenan | and i can assure my system isn't screwed up, i run sarge with some sid packages |
| 02:43.32 | johnga1t | abrotman: even if they looked interesting, just stay away :) |
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| 02:44.10 | johnga1t | abrotman: gotta run. later. |
| 02:44.11 | keenan | kevin06: it's in one of the menus |
| 02:44.52 | abrotman | ok .. bye |
| 02:45.16 | kevin06 | keenan, I use that and still get this error. |
| 02:45.28 | keenan | kevin06: do you have vorbis-tools installed? |
| 02:45.36 | kevin06 | keenan, yes. |
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| 02:46.17 | keenan | kevin06: make sure the "encoder executable" field actually says "/usr/bin/oggenc" |
| 02:47.53 | keenan | so nobody knows what's going on with libwxgtk2.5.3? |
| 02:47.59 | keenan | that's the new gtk2 version right? |
| 02:48.04 | keenan | why is it missing from debian? |
| 02:48.53 | asg | !info libwxgtk2.5.3 sid |
| 02:50.00 | keenan | see, dpkg doesn't know about it, but it has a page at packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libwxgtk2.5.3 |
| 02:50.04 | keenan | weird |
| 02:50.39 | jim | keenan: you run unstable? |
| 02:50.50 | keenan | sarge with some sid packages |
| 02:50.53 | asg | keenan: check the bts |
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| 02:51.49 | keenan | all it says is they're about to update to 2.6 |
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| 02:51.59 | jim | keenan: yes, check the bts... but if you really want, you can download the package file (ends in .deb) and use dpkg (dpkg --help) to install it |
| 02:51.59 | keenan | maybe they just got rid of 2.5.3 a bit early |
| 02:52.00 | asg | keenan: then wait, it is unstable after all |
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| 02:52.22 | openkernel | sss |
| 02:52.29 | jim | eee |
| 02:52.34 | asg | xxx |
| 02:52.37 | openkernel | alguém do brasil? |
| 02:52.37 | jim | ppp |
| 02:52.44 | asg | !br |
| 02:52.44 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:52.47 | stew | keenan: look at #305300 |
| 02:53.06 | openkernel | ah é? |
| 02:53.19 | asg | openkernel: /j #debian-br |
| 02:53.24 | abrotman | asg: this is not a disney movie! |
| 02:53.50 | asg | abrotman: is that true Bambi, did you do a video nasty </young ones> |
| 02:53.52 | keenan | stew: ah, that explains it |
| 02:54.32 | dan2 | asg: folding laundry sucks |
| 02:54.38 | dan2 | in fact |
| 02:54.40 | dan2 | doing laundry sucks |
| 02:54.47 | abrotman | asg: lion king |
| 02:54.48 | asg | dan2: agreed |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | dan2: you're 15 .. give it to your mom |
| 02:54.57 | asg | abrotman: ah |
| 02:55.10 | shingouz | dan2: Not having done laundry sucks even more ;) |
| 02:55.16 | dan2 | abrotman: I wish |
| 02:55.37 | dan2 | abrotman: my parents are divorced, my mom doesn't do my laundry |
| 02:56.16 | abrotman | dan2: give it to your step mom! |
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| 02:57.03 | dan2 | abrotman: I hate her |
| 02:57.14 | dan2 | abrotman: and I don't live there |
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| 02:57.55 | abrotman | dan2: i'm fairly confused now |
| 02:58.11 | abrotman | what good is your mom if she doesn't do your laundry? |
| 02:58.32 | dan2 | abrotman: she's quite good at bitching and moaning about everything, and sitting around |
| 02:58.34 | asg | stew: that bug report has some funny bits |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | dan2: sounds like a proper ex-wife :) |
| 02:59.02 | openkernel | valeuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
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| 02:59.19 | openkernel | linux is live |
| 02:59.26 | abrotman | !br |
| 02:59.26 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 02:59.46 | dan2 | abrotman: my dad is 50 years old and tore his ACL and can take out the trash, but my mom wouldn't take out the trash to save her life |
| 02:59.58 | dan2 | abrotman: or cook for that matter |
| 03:00.06 | abrotman | dan2: you're just all kinds of fucked :) |
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| 03:00.20 | dan2 | abrotman: I don't eat what she makes |
| 03:00.29 | dan2 | abrotman: whatever she made tonight stank so bad |
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| 03:00.39 | dan2 | abrotman: stank like microwaved football socks |
| 03:00.44 | shingouz | :) |
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| 03:01.01 | bztunk | is this #angstteens or what? |
| 03:01.03 | dan2 | the ones I wear for 3 hours monday wednesday friday |
| 03:01.08 | abrotman | dan2: why do you put your socks in the microwave? |
| 03:01.13 | dan2 | abrotman: I don't |
| 03:01.17 | abrotman | your mom does? |
| 03:01.24 | dan2 | no... but her food smells like it |
| 03:01.29 | abrotman | what was it? |
| 03:01.34 | dan2 | lamb or something |
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| 03:01.49 | asg | abrotman: and Bambi comes full circle |
| 03:02.07 | jetscreamer | Bambi meets Godzilla! |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | you don't like lamb? |
| 03:02.19 | jim | lambi! |
| 03:02.23 | dan2 | abrotman: I like lamb, I just won't eat anything thats touched her hands |
| 03:02.24 | asg | lambic |
| 03:02.26 | jetscreamer | jim++ |
| 03:02.32 | abrotman | asg: mmm .. lambic |
| 03:02.37 | a33000 | stew well it turns out I was on sarge all along |
| 03:02.40 | abrotman | dan2: oh .. gotcha |
| 03:02.41 | dan2 | abrotman: my mom invented the rubber chicken |
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| 03:02.52 | abrotman | dan2: what does she use the rubber chicken for? |
| 03:02.53 | a33000 | stew and libwxgtk 5.3 is still missing |
| 03:02.57 | keenan | a33000: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=305300 |
| 03:03.01 | dan2 | abrotman: she managed to turn an ordinary chicken into rubber |
| 03:03.01 | jim | lambic stew! |
| 03:03.09 | jetscreamer | it's in sid |
| 03:03.14 | a33000 | Delph what are your sources? |
| 03:03.14 | jim | with rubber chicken and metal carrots! |
| 03:03.19 | abrotman | dan2: perhaps you should show her how to cook |
| 03:03.21 | jetscreamer | !find libwxgtk |
| 03:03.23 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libwxgtk' (6): libwxgtk2.4 ;; libwxgtk2.4-contrib ;; libwxgtk2.4-contrib-dev ;; libwxgtk2.4-dbg ;; libwxgtk2.4-dev ;; libwxgtk2.4-python. |
| 03:03.32 | jetscreamer | !find libwxgtk2.5 |
| 03:03.33 | dan2 | abrotman: one time she nuked it so much, when my brother went to take it out he accidentally dropped it on the floor and it bounced up |
| 03:03.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libwxgtk2.5' (1): (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/libwxgtk2.5-dbg) in libdevel/libwxgtk2.5-dbg. |
| 03:03.48 | dan2 | abrotman: like a bouncy ball |
| 03:03.49 | Guerin | gah, I hate microwaves |
| 03:03.51 | stew | a33000: while you were gone we determined that wxgtk2.5 was yanked from sid to be replaced shortly by 2.6 |
| 03:03.55 | abrotman | Guerin: agreed |
| 03:03.56 | Guerin | i don't even own one |
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| 03:04.02 | jetscreamer | our microwave died |
| 03:04.08 | abrotman | dan2: maybe you should get her a cooking class for xmas/hannukah |
| 03:04.11 | dan2 | abrotman: I won't show her how to cook because she's too stupid to follow the directions |
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| 03:04.19 | robink | What's the best filesystem to use these days? |
| 03:04.20 | dan2 | abrotman: she refuses to follow the instructions |
| 03:04.29 | Guerin | robink: ext3 |
| 03:04.31 | asg | robink: ext3 |
| 03:04.32 | abrotman | oh well |
| 03:04.33 | robink | wow |
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| 03:04.38 | robink | that was pretty universal |
| 03:04.39 | abrotman | ext4! |
| 03:04.41 | Guerin | !beer asg |
| 03:04.41 | robink | Why not ReiserFS? |
| 03:04.44 | a33000 | stew I already compiled wxgtk2.6 successfully |
| 03:04.45 | IDC | My neighbour bought a new computer,prepare to get broadband connection at home ...but i just couldn't persuade him to replace windows with linux haha |
| 03:04.46 | dan2 | abrotman: the only thing she manages to make that tastes fine is pasta |
| 03:04.50 | asg | robink: everything else I've used ate my data regularly |
| 03:04.51 | shingouz | dan2: Does she eat what she cooks |
| 03:04.53 | asg | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:04.55 | dan2 | shingouz: yes |
| 03:04.58 | robink | asg: Ah |
| 03:04.58 | peterS | robink: reiserfs is good for one thing. testing your backup/restore strategy. |
| 03:05.00 | Guerin | robink: because it loses data, breaks easily, and doesn't have a meaningful fsck |
| 03:05.02 | shingouz | Scary... |
| 03:05.02 | a33000 | stew I'm having trouble with pgadmin compilation since I can't install the deb |
| 03:05.02 | IDC | I gave it a shot LOL |
| 03:05.05 | robink | peterS: Ouch |
| 03:05.09 | abrotman | peterS: that can be useful :) |
| 03:05.15 | robink | peterS: I'm not going to reinstall at this point I don't think |
| 03:05.16 | dan2 | shingouz: she can make pasta fine tho |
| 03:05.17 | bztunk | !start a filesystem war |
| 03:05.18 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 03:05.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 03:05.23 | peterS | abrotman: yeah but it's not what most people want from a filesystem (: |
| 03:05.26 | dan2 | !start an ex-wife war |
| 03:05.33 | abrotman | robink: read the second link .. read the reiserfs document |
| 03:05.41 | Guerin | (after ~3 months without them.... during which time nothing got lost |
| 03:05.43 | Guerin | ) |
| 03:05.46 | peterS | robink: well, maybe I'm being unfair. reiserfs is fast and featureful. however, when it goes down, it goes down hard |
| 03:05.52 | keenan | hey, i use reiser4 and i've had no problems |
| 03:05.58 | abrotman | !lose keenan |
| 03:05.58 | Guerin | keenan: you will. |
| 03:05.59 | dpkg | keenan: You Lose. |
| 03:06.04 | jetscreamer | hey when you're compiling, what do the CC and LD 's mean ? |
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| 03:06.17 | keenan | pshh, been using it for months |
| 03:06.24 | keenan | works perfectly |
| 03:06.27 | Guerin | wow... months |
| 03:06.29 | peterS | keenan: so long as you *always* do clean shutdowns, and never have any hardware problems - that is, so long as you never actually need to test the journalling or fsck features - it probably *does* run fine |
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| 03:06.34 | Guerin | what a great test of a filesystem |
| 03:06.40 | lexxan | Anyone know how I can edit my gnome menus? |
| 03:06.44 | Guerin | keenan: it's only been OUT for months. |
| 03:06.55 | abrotman | keenan: now .. wait til it dies .. it will die a death with the screams of 10,000 cats in a grinder |
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| 03:07.33 | keenan | well _someone_ has to test it |
| 03:07.34 | robink | abrotman: OK |
| 03:07.35 | peterS | abrotman: 'millions of voices crying out in terror, and suddenly silenced'? |
| 03:07.41 | keenan | i don't really care about any of my data anyway =P |
| 03:07.48 | Guerin | keenan: SOMEONE should have tested reiser3 before mnoving onto 3 |
| 03:07.49 | mindframe | where do i specify php_admin_value open_basedir in httpd.conf if im not using virtual domains? |
| 03:07.53 | stew | a33000: if you are compiling stuff from source and not debian packages, i dunno how much help i'm going to be to you, sorry |
| 03:07.59 | keenan | Guerin: I did |
| 03:07.59 | abrotman | peterS: but not silenced? |
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| 03:08.10 | keenan | used reiser3 for years |
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| 03:08.16 | zjneter | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.20 | jetscreamer | reiser is your god.. |
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| 03:08.31 | abrotman | zjneter: i love you |
| 03:08.32 | Guerin | keenan: my point is that it's still broken, yet they moved onto the next version instead of trying to shore up the old. |
| 03:08.41 | dave____ | need help with sysklogd and my cisco router, do I need to edit the default syslog.conf? |
| 03:08.57 | keenan | Guerin: why do you say it's broken? |
| 03:09.00 | aardvark | zjneter: go away |
| 03:09.03 | jim | !bunk |
| 03:09.03 | dpkg | from memory, bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 03:09.04 | abrotman | zjneter: i want your babies |
| 03:09.20 | Guerin | keenan: a journalling filesystems without proper recovery tools is broken by any definition. |
| 03:09.21 | stew | are bunk's 2.6 pacakges even maintained? |
| 03:09.22 | abrotman | robink: good thinking :) |
| 03:09.28 | abrotman | stew: kind of ... |
| 03:09.32 | jim | by bunk presumably |
| 03:09.35 | abrotman | stew: when he feels like it |
| 03:09.42 | abrotman | !d-i zjneter |
| 03:09.42 | dpkg | zjneter, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:09.44 | peterS | stew: they're made for woody which is not exactly a moving target |
| 03:09.53 | Guerin | zjneter: http://www.fixyourkeyboard.org/ |
| 03:09.54 | keenan | Guerin: what's not "proper" about reiserfsck? |
| 03:09.55 | jim | zjneter: all the source of it is available |
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| 03:10.05 | Guerin | keenan: it doesn't fucking work? |
| 03:10.23 | stew | peterS: i thougt he was offering a 2.6.5 kernel though |
| 03:10.34 | stew | looks like 2.6.6 now |
| 03:10.36 | jim | I need his 2.4 stuff |
| 03:10.40 | peterS | keenan: reiserfsck is one of those "well, we are supposed to have a fsck tool, but we're arrogant enough to believe nobody will ever need it because our filesystem is *that* good, so we'll do a half-baked job" |
| 03:10.52 | abrotman | zjneter: fix yoru client |
| 03:11.02 | peterS | stew: oh, I don't know about the actual kernel he offers. just, the surrounding tools shouldn't need much maintenance |
| 03:11.10 | stew | peterS: yeah, agreed |
| 03:11.18 | sparr_ | How can I resolve this when my user is trying to start a second X server (to play a game on)? X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 03:11.37 | Guerin | sparr_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 03:11.50 | robink | Is it safe to use ACPI support in kernel/userspace these days? |
| 03:11.50 | sparr_ | Guerin: and then? |
| 03:11.55 | Guerin | sparr_: "anyone" |
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| 03:12.04 | jetscreamer | why would you want to start a second server just to play a game on |
| 03:12.07 | abrotman | robink: depends on the machine |
| 03:12.08 | peterS | robink: pretty safe. software suspend might be another story |
| 03:12.08 | sparr_ | Guerin: id rather only people sitting at the machine be able to do it |
| 03:12.10 | mindframe | do i need to enable a module in apache's modules.conf for it to work with php4/ |
| 03:12.18 | stew | sparr_: didn't we tell you this like 6 hours ago or something? |
| 03:12.20 | sparr_ | jetscreamer: because the game doesnt offer any way to lose focus |
| 03:12.26 | sparr_ | stew: no |
| 03:12.27 | robink | peterS: I'm not interested (much) in swsusp |
| 03:12.47 | sparr_ | Guerin: is that possible? i was told 'consoleusers' would affect that change, but it didnt |
| 03:12.53 | peterS | mindframe: if mod_php4 isn't already enabled, yes |
| 03:13.12 | robink | abrotman: This is an Athlon XP system (mainboard is no more than 3 years old) |
| 03:13.17 | dan2 | abrotman: yo... to conclude, my mom is so stupid, she sent a 20 dollar bill through the mail |
| 03:13.23 | Guerin | sparr_: I don't know. |
| 03:13.25 | abrotman | dan2: so? |
| 03:13.32 | dan2 | abrotman: of course it got stolen |
| 03:13.32 | abrotman | robink: so try it .. you'll find out quickly |
| 03:13.40 | abrotman | dan2: oh .. gotta wrap it up |
| 03:13.45 | abrotman | zjneter: fix your client |
| 03:14.01 | aardvark | can someone kill him? |
| 03:14.04 | jetscreamer | hey i say those fonts for a change |
| 03:14.06 | abrotman | aardvark: you wish |
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| 03:14.26 | dan2 | £¿£¿£¿ |
| 03:14.27 | jetscreamer | usually i just see the square boxes |
| 03:14.30 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 03:14.39 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 03:14.50 | sparr_ | Guerin: thanks, setting it to Anybody appears to have worked. |
| 03:14.53 | aardvark | [zjneter VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.02 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 03:14.57 | aardvark | :-| |
| 03:15.05 | sparr_ | stew: given that it worked, had you told me this 6 hours ago i would not be here asking now |
| 03:15.07 | jetscreamer | !mirc |
| 03:15.08 | mindframe | peterS: ok i have libapache-mod-php4 installed. where is the damn module located? |
| 03:15.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mirc is http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html |
| 03:15.20 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:15.32 | Guerin | won't be seeing keenan in here again, then |
| 03:15.32 | robink | abrotman: heh heh |
| 03:15.37 | peterS | mindframe: same place all the other apache modules live. LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 03:16.13 | stew | sparr_: 18:43 < k-dog> sparr_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 03:16.20 | stew | so i guess it was only 5.5 hours ago |
| 03:16.21 | abrotman | zjneter: i can't give it to you .. |
| 03:16.23 | shingouz | Someone kill him.... |
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| 03:16.43 | Guerin | kiiiiil |
| 03:16.46 | libpcp | hi all |
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| 03:17.08 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 03:17.15 | jim | zjneter: you can get it yourself |
| 03:17.25 | sparr_ | stew: yes, now read the line after that |
| 03:17.38 | jim | and once you do that you'll figure out the basic structure of it while you're getting the stuff |
| 03:18.06 | jetscreamer | we could give it to you, but then we'd have to kill you |
| 03:18.08 | libpcp | i would like to ask what iso images should i download if i want deb packages that I am downloading using apt-get? |
| 03:18.13 | jim | zjneter: |
| 03:18.14 | abrotman | jim: you want my fries with a side of milk? |
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| 03:18.16 | jim | !d-i |
| 03:18.17 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 03:18.22 | jetscreamer | libpcp: wtf? |
| 03:18.23 | stew | sparr_: the one where i told you to read the Xwrapper.config manpage? |
| 03:18.25 | Ry12 | how can u tell which fonts are xft |
| 03:18.26 | stew | sparr_: nm |
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| 03:18.29 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:18.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:18.42 | sparr_ | stew: i was referring to the one where i was told to select 'consoleusers', which did not work |
| 03:18.49 | libpcp | i download cd1 non-us but some of the packages that i need should be download over the net using apt-get |
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| 03:18.55 | jetscreamer | dpkg, u is also uhaul says: where will 'u' go today |
| 03:18.56 | dpkg | jetscreamer: cannot alter locked factoids |
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| 03:19.01 | jetscreamer | !bitch |
| 03:19.02 | dpkg | you fool you're scaring away women. go read HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux at http://www.nmt.edu/~val/howto.html |
| 03:19.08 | Ry12 | how can u tell which fonts are xft |
| 03:19.10 | Guerin | sparr_: so if you'd shown any adaptability you'd have tried another option in the same menu |
| 03:19.17 | abrotman | !irritate jim |
| 03:19.17 | dpkg | jim: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
| 03:19.18 | jim | Damnit Dpkg! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:19.40 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 03:19.43 | jetscreamer | all lies |
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| 03:19.52 | sparr_ | Guerin: why? the documentation specifically said the option i was trying was the one that should work. i still dont know why it doesnt. |
| 03:19.56 | mindframe | peterS: ah thanks. |
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| 03:20.04 | Guerin | sparr_: why not? |
| 03:20.05 | furrywolf | !irritate @lart dpkg |
| 03:20.07 | dpkg | @lart dpkg: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh edonkey ????? |
| 03:20.16 | sparr_ | Guerin: i was ALSO specifically told NOT to select 'anybody' because it would let remote users launch new X servers |
| 03:20.21 | peterS | furrywolf: stop that please. |
| 03:20.30 | Guerin | sparr_: i mean, the other option was sitting there and playing with yourself because you were too helpless to try something else... |
| 03:20.39 | jetscreamer | clever little troll |
| 03:20.40 | furrywolf | you're right, !irritate can be irrating. :) |
| 03:20.51 | Guerin | libpcp: don't message me, please. |
| 03:20.54 | sparr_ | unfortunately i tend to follow the advice of those attempting to help me |
| 03:21.06 | mindframe | how do i compile php --with-mysql using apt? |
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| 03:21.13 | Ry12 | cmr 10 2 |
| 03:21.17 | shingouz | zjneter: At least leave the "/me" out when you speak in the channel |
| 03:21.19 | Guerin | mindframe: you don't. You install php4-mysql |
| 03:21.22 | jetscreamer | you apt-get install |
| 03:21.24 | peterS | furrywolf: trying to make bots talk to each other is irritating too. use @say for this purpose if you want to get me really annoyed |
| 03:21.26 | jim | zjneter: not me |
| 03:21.33 | kjoonlee | libpcp: why would you need an iso? |
| 03:21.37 | jetscreamer | !tell mindframe about search |
| 03:21.50 | furrywolf | lol |
| 03:21.54 | Guerin | !lol |
| 03:21.55 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. |
| 03:22.04 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 03:22.08 | libpcp | Guerin: let say if i dont have internet at home, which iso images should i download so that I could have the binary deb packages |
| 03:22.16 | shingouz | ffs... |
| 03:22.24 | jetscreamer | awww |
| 03:22.40 | kjoonlee | libpcp: which binary deb packages? |
| 03:22.43 | jim | zjneter: you can get the source from cvs, and there are other places |
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| 03:22.49 | Guerin | libpcp: you probably only need 1-3. But jesus, a unix machine without internet is like a bicycle without any air in its tyres. |
| 03:22.51 | libpcp | kjoonlee: so what if ever i dont have internet i still could install some packages from the cd |
| 03:23.09 | sparr_ | ok, now for a very tricky question... ive got a second X server running, with a game running in it. all is well, except the game thinks its running at -2bil FPS. this is with 2 games so far, so its not exactly game-specific although it may be fps-calculation-method specific. What might cause that? |
| 03:23.10 | jim | zjneter: it's not just one package, it's lots of litle packages |
| 03:23.16 | Guerin | zjneter: then you're not looking very hard. |
| 03:23.16 | jetscreamer | zjneter: /msg dpkg d-i , look around |
| 03:23.43 | Guerin | sparr_: you mean it's running slowly? |
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| 03:24.02 | Guerin | !d-i zjneter |
| 03:24.03 | dpkg | zjneter, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:24.10 | jetscreamer | !tell zjneter about d-i |
| 03:24.14 | libpcp | Guerin: yeah i understand, but sometimes when im doing some programming especially in remote site where theres no internet and i need to install perl modules, i really need a cd instead of downloading over the net |
| 03:24.48 | sparr_ | Guerin: no, it runs fine. but it thinks its running slowly, because for some reason its measuring negative FPS (an artifact, i guess, of it not registering any frames at all) |
| 03:25.06 | jim | zjneter, there ya go... I know there's some chinese speaking devels and others who might be able to help you in your languager |
| 03:25.20 | Guerin | libpcp: ok. Sounds like you know what you need - I'd suggest making your own cds with the packages you require. OTOH, sarge will be out soon, then you can get official isos. |
| 03:25.44 | Guerin | libpcp: the thing is that debian sarge is 14 cds binary and another 14 source. You probably don't want to download them all. |
| 03:25.59 | Guerin | sparr_: no idea. |
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| 03:26.36 | jetscreamer | fit on a dvd or 2 eh |
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| 03:26.56 | Guerin | !700x14 |
| 03:27.00 | Guerin | !700*14 |
| 03:27.00 | dpkg | 9800 |
| 03:27.06 | Guerin | two |
| 03:27.14 | jetscreamer | doublesided? |
| 03:27.18 | Guerin | but all the useful stuff probably fits on one |
| 03:27.21 | libpcp | Guerin: for the meantime, debian woody 3.0 cds from 1-3 is okay? |
| 03:27.32 | Guerin | libpcp: probably. |
| 03:27.58 | Guerin | libpcp: depends what you need. /msg dpkg cd contents for a list of what's where |
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| 03:28.23 | libpcp | last thing, since im outside US, I downloaded non-us for cd1 does it mean that i dont need the standard cd 1? |
| 03:28.32 | jetscreamer | no that does not |
| 03:28.32 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 03:28.45 | furrywolf | non-us has nothing to do with where you are |
| 03:28.45 | libpcp | okay thanks a lot gubrats |
| 03:28.50 | libpcp | okay thanks a lot Guerin |
| 03:28.51 | rafx | woohoo!!! "Official security support for sarge begins [today]" rejoice!!! |
| 03:28.58 | jetscreamer | yay |
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| 03:29.15 | Guerin | rafx: i'm just about to upgrade my big ole woody server box to sarge :) |
| 03:29.18 | buu | FURRIES! |
| 03:29.27 | simon_ | is there a preference between xfstt and xfs-xtt? |
| 03:29.34 | stew | Guerin: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 03:29.38 | stew | Guerin: in case you didn't knwo :) |
| 03:29.40 | jim | zjneter: but while I'm doing that, don't stop looking... you might find what you're looking for |
| 03:29.47 | jim | btw |
| 03:29.52 | Guerin | stew: wow thats so cool, thx man |
| 03:29.52 | rafx | Guerin: I'm 6 months behind schedule, about to launch a site next week. had selected sarge in 12/2004. talk about perfect timing |
| 03:29.54 | jim | what is it you are trying to do? |
| 03:30.01 | Guerin | rafx: heh |
| 03:30.05 | furrywolf | buu: gee, you noticed. |
| 03:30.55 | IDC | SOund worked :D |
| 03:31.11 | IDC | I sucessfully got Crystal CS4281 worked :D |
| 03:31.19 | peterS | IDC: heh, cool |
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| 03:32.22 | IDC | NOw i have 2 sound cards installed ,one is CS4281 is working perfectly,another is CS4624,due to the fact that i cannot get the headphone mode work which results in an outcome that the Volume is way too low,i can wait till the smart guys fix it up :D |
| 03:32.41 | furrywolf | my other box has a cs4280... worked perfectly with no problems. |
| 03:32.43 | IDC | peterS, thanks |
| 03:33.07 | IDC | furrywolf, yeah,except the CS46XX serials,they have been having issues on linux |
| 03:33.14 | peterS | nevyn: yeah but those probably weren't PCI-based |
| 03:33.20 | nevyn | they wern't |
| 03:33.21 | simon_ | whats the form for asking apt a question? |
| 03:33.27 | rafx | i hope subversion 1.2 and xen 2.x get nice backports later on. those two branches are gonna be really popular on servers this summer |
| 03:33.28 | nevyn | isapnp and pnpdump and EWWW. |
| 03:33.42 | furrywolf | idc: dunno, I didn't have any problems. |
| 03:33.49 | peterS | nevyn: kernel-mode isapnp is pretty painless for the most part. you just load the module and it allocates stuff on its own |
| 03:33.57 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:33.58 | kjoonlee | simon_: /msg apt foobar2000 |
| 03:34.06 | simon_ | kjoonlee thanks |
| 03:34.20 | peterS | nevyn: exception is when the kernel module doesn't know about your specific hardware. I once patched a scsi driver to add isapnp support. that took me a little while |
| 03:34.29 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:34.47 | nevyn | peterS: this was in the 2.2 early 2.4 days |
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| 03:35.03 | peterS | nevyn: right, before kernel-mode isapnp existed. or before it supported the cs4232 driver, I suppose |
| 03:35.13 | IDC | furrywolf, my CS4624 doesnt have a jumper in the card so by default it doesnt play via the headphone mode but have to use software to swich around,but in this matter if you would like use headphone to listen to music only,that is a pain,cuz it will not use the acclerate part built in sound card to bust in the headphone mode so that the Volume is so low |
| 03:35.24 | peterS | nevyn: you're right, pnpdump is not a lot of fun to play with |
| 03:35.41 | IDC | furrywolf, sure yours wouldnt have a problem,yours is not a 4+ channel sound cards |
| 03:35.41 | nevyn | peterS: it wasn't so bad but it was just sorta.. fiddly |
| 03:35.42 | furrywolf | no clue. I plug my headphones into my amp, not my sound card. |
| 03:36.07 | peterS | nevyn: the conf file it spits out is just a *weird* syntax. I never liked it |
| 03:36.13 | furrywolf | sound card goes to line in on amp, everything else plugs into amp. :) |
| 03:36.25 | IDC | fumbalah, amp ? |
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| 03:36.31 | nevyn | peterS: I groked it but you're right it was never... GOOD. |
| 03:37.09 | furrywolf | amp. as in, amplifier. as in, the thing a stereo system has to amplify line-level signals to speaker output signals. |
| 03:37.50 | IDC | furrywolf, cool |
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| 03:40.51 | furrywolf | I always listen to music on my stereo... much better than crappy computer speakers. :) |
| 03:41.03 | jetscreamer | put good speakers |
| 03:41.07 | jetscreamer | works for me |
| 03:41.14 | mngrif | furrywolf, pipe your computer into your stereo... |
| 03:41.16 | simon_ | what a decent set of font packages to install? |
| 03:41.17 | mngrif | works for me :) |
| 03:41.25 | furrywolf | I have a good silver-era pioneer amp and some Toa studio monitors. |
| 03:41.33 | furrywolf | mngrif: isn't that what I just said I do? |
| 03:41.52 | mngrif | lol, sorry |
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| 03:43.06 | furrywolf | my jbl L-100s (best speaker I've ever heard) are on loan to someone, as I have no use for them here... would make the neighbors way too mad way too quickly with them. :) |
| 03:43.07 | jim | how do you tell dpkg -l to display whole package names instead of cutting them off? |
| 03:43.22 | challenged | !42 |
| 03:43.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
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| 03:43.52 | furrywolf | !what was the question? |
| 03:43.57 | furrywolf | bah, it doesn't have that one. :) |
| 03:44.06 | challenged | hehe 8) |
| 03:44.19 | challenged | try it in msn or google search.. |
| 03:44.51 | jim | how do you tell dpkg -l to display whole package names instead of cutting them off? |
| 03:44.53 | mngrif | furrywolf, shame isn't it :P |
| 03:45.00 | rafx | is there a wxwidgets package for debian? if so, what is it named? |
| 03:45.02 | furrywolf | we can't know the question. if we knew the question, the universe would be replaced by an even more confusing universe. judging from this channel, that has happened at least once. :) |
| 03:45.04 | caphuso | jim: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 03:45.10 | jim | thankyou |
| 03:45.22 | kjoonlee | caphuso: Ahhhhhh. COLUMNS. Thanks. :) |
| 03:45.29 | mngrif | lol, good quote |
| 03:45.34 | deadcat | jim: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 03:46.30 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i just registered for linux world expo |
| 03:46.40 | Moonscope | dpkg got it wrong, its 6 * 7 |
| 03:46.45 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How much does it cost? |
| 03:46.50 | caphuso | Moonscope: it's not |
| 03:46.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: exhibit hall is free |
| 03:47.00 | TwistedEmotions | I went to mac expo when I was like 10... that was dope... went with my dad |
| 03:47.05 | TwistedEmotions | no shit? |
| 03:47.08 | TwistedEmotions | I wana go.. |
| 03:47.08 | IDC | i have added NTFS support in kernel as module,why now i try to mount NTFS partition it says its not supported by kernel ? |
| 03:47.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: shit. i went for free (= |
| 03:47.14 | deadcat | it sucked |
| 03:47.23 | TwistedEmotions | macexpo? |
| 03:47.28 | deadcat | ya |
| 03:47.30 | challenged | moonscope....in fact the answer to that one is....3 *9 = 42.....hmm i knew there was something fundamentally wrong with the universe |
| 03:47.52 | Guerin | make sure you wear your black turtleneck |
| 03:48.00 | rafx | oops, no wxwidgets 2.6.0 package in debian yet? those guys release about as often as debian and 2.6.0 came out in April 2005. |
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| 03:48.07 | TwistedEmotions | I went the year CD-r's came out... told my dad that shit is gonna catch on hardcore and quick... he told me no... never... his friends told him cd'r will never catch on.. I was right ;) |
| 03:48.07 | Moonscope | caphuso: challenged: i thought it was trying to give other answers the the 42 question... |
| 03:48.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: HAHAHAH. |
| 03:48.32 | challenged | Take a towel....only the smart froods take towels to expos |
| 03:48.59 | Guerin | take a bunch of big CR stickers |
| 03:49.09 | IDC | fixed it |
| 03:49.11 | caphuso | Moonscope: the 6*9 (in base 13) answer is _the_ answer, not just another answer |
| 03:49.32 | TwistedEmotions | same year or next year Zip Disks came out too... told him it was gay... said nope... everyone will get one... was right again ;) |
| 03:49.43 | Moonscope | caphuso: oh yeah, i is, but the 6 * 8 = 48 |
| 03:49.59 | challenged | caphuso: Doug said: i mean who does jokes in base 13 |
| 03:50.01 | TwistedEmotions | I still think we should bring back the floppy... theyre leet |
| 03:50.24 | caphuso | Moonscope: ah, yes, that's wrong |
| 03:50.26 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How the hell do u sign up? |
| 03:50.34 | CompWizrd | i keep an emergency 5.25" floppy drive on a cabinet at work |
| 03:50.36 | furrywolf | zip disks were killed by the fact they cost $15/each. if they sold them for $0.15/each, you'd have seen far more of them... |
| 03:50.37 | deadcat | let me link you |
| 03:50.38 | challenged | TwistedEmotions, : what the floppy floppies or the harddisk floppies? |
| 03:50.43 | CompWizrd | just in case someone comes to me with a 5.25" disk and needs something copied off it |
| 03:50.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: lol... I found it... sorry tripping |
| 03:50.53 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:50.57 | CompWizrd | furrywolf: and killed by the fact the drives sucked :) |
| 03:51.11 | caphuso | challenged: better than the "there are 10 sorts of people..." one :) |
| 03:51.27 | furrywolf | also true. :) |
| 03:51.30 | TwistedEmotions | challenged: Floppy floppies man... you know 1.4 Gig... I mean megs per disk... retail price like .02c |
| 03:51.47 | CompWizrd | i'm still trying to convince the accountant at work that keeping his main copy of his accounting documents on a zip drive is just asking for trouble |
| 03:51.50 | challenged | caphuso: is that like a ID - ten - T errors? |
| 03:51.51 | CompWizrd | i'm going to just give him a usb key someday |
| 03:51.59 | mngrif | furrywolf, do i know you from a forum or somesuch? |
| 03:52.09 | caphuso | challenged: you don't know it? "there are 10 sorts of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't" |
| 03:52.23 | challenged | TwistedEmotions, : i rememebr the days where you used to buy floppies preformatted to speed up your days... |
| 03:52.36 | challenged | caphuso: oh that one yah... |
| 03:52.47 | mngrif | challenged, and how everyone suggested reformatting them :P |
| 03:52.51 | CompWizrd | i've gotten used to having to grab 5-6 floppies out of a brand new box, just to get one that works |
| 03:52.53 | TwistedEmotions | challenged: Still doo... |
| 03:52.53 | challenged | caohuso: thinkgeek |
| 03:52.59 | furrywolf | mngrif: doubt it... only forums I've been on are some at RC Universe, a random webcomic, and a year or so ago I was a member of a furry one for about a week... I've been mentioned on GBS if you're a sa goon... |
| 03:53.05 | Guerin | i haven't used a floppy disk in years |
| 03:53.08 | Guerin | not for anything |
| 03:53.22 | mngrif | furrywolf, must've been a different furr |
| 03:53.31 | CompWizrd | i use floppies for memtest, and that's about it now |
| 03:53.43 | CompWizrd | haven't had to do a debian install for awhile |
| 03:53.57 | mngrif | hey, how do you format a single density disk in ye olde linux? |
| 03:54.22 | challenged | TwistedEmotions, : one good thing did come from floppies........the aerodynamics of a floppy were copied in CDs and DVDs so no matter what happens to the disk it still can be thrown at a wall in orderto make it shatter because it was disk 54 of a 55 disk set |
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| 03:55.20 | TwistedEmotions | challenged: True True... lol |
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| 03:57.37 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I will see you there... i'll be the one labled newb |
| 03:58.09 | challenged | TwistedEmotions, : you could go as a foreigh exchange studen......Neube |
| 03:58.12 | troubled | and the peasants rejoice! |
| 03:58.16 | furrywolf | there's a lot of furry* nicks... it's what those of us too lazy to actually think of something use. :) |
| 03:58.34 | TwistedEmotions | challenged: LoL.. are you going too? |
| 03:58.47 | challenged | TwistedEmotions, : nah im in australia heheh |
| 03:59.09 | TwistedEmotions | LOL... Fly down? |
| 03:59.09 | IDC | furrywolf, :) |
| 03:59.31 | IDC | furrywolf, i think cirrus logic made DSP beats EMK :D |
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| 03:59.52 | furrywolf | !start a dsp war |
| 03:59.53 | furrywolf | :P |
| 04:00.15 | IDC | no joke , the createive sound are only good at playing games |
| 04:00.19 | shingouz | Mwave r0xx0rz ;) |
| 04:00.27 | obtix | everytime i start gkrellm it resets my desktop wallpaper (fluxbox) also (on a side note) are there any replacements for gkrellm, anything better? |
| 04:00.34 | furrywolf | the one is the via northbridge on my box doesn't sound half bad... |
| 04:00.36 | furrywolf | southbridge |
| 04:00.46 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. |
| 04:00.54 | challenged | lol.....Turtle beach on my main PC and ensoniq Paris system on my music station.....SB cards are ok |
| 04:01.10 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: crappy ass macworld this year: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2005/20050111.mac.world.expo/ |
| 04:01.23 | IDC | furrywolf, im recompiling kernel again lol ,missing IP_package_mainling |
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| 04:02.01 | IDC | furrywolf, i have a cute working .config for kernel compiling so i only have to add/remove stuff from it to suit my interests |
| 04:02.06 | furrywolf | I had come crappy ensoniq card once... worst piece of crap I'd ever used. distorted badly if you turned any setting over 70%... |
| 04:02.10 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U went? |
| 04:02.22 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: linuxworld: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2004/20040803.linux.world.expo/ , there will be a picnix on sat of that week in southbay as well. http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2004/20040803.linux.world.expo/ |
| 04:02.33 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. it sucked. the macworld |
| 04:02.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: If they had based their OS on linux earlier then maybe they had a chance but I think it's too little too late. |
| 04:02.49 | IDC | furrywolf, i always like cirrus logic crystal sierals :) i have only tried creative PCI 128D |
| 04:03.28 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: they will never based it on linux. they dont want to share their code. the bsd lisence allows them to do what they are doing |
| 04:03.41 | challenged | furrywolf: my paris is awesome...its sorta like a digi type system...i have a 24 channel mixing desk all PC controlled etc |
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| 04:04.18 | furrywolf | heh. I had some crappy pci card that was $9.99 retail. :) |
| 04:04.26 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What do you mean... I thought their OS was built on top of linux now? |
| 04:04.40 | IDC | I hope someone can help us fixing the problems in using cs46xx on linux asap |
| 04:05.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: when did that happened? |
| 04:05.28 | deadcat | IDC: whats the problem? |
| 04:05.36 | IDC | furrywolf, $9.99 ? sound cards ? |
| 04:05.39 | deadcat | IDC: dont say it dont work |
| 04:06.04 | furrywolf | might have been $19.99 |
| 04:06.07 | furrywolf | it wasn't a fancy one. :) |
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| 04:06.16 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I dont know... I went into a mac store once and the guy there showed me how to get into linux command prompt.. |
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| 04:06.22 | Cyis | for 9.99 I hope it wasn't a fancy one :) |
| 04:06.27 | IDC | deadcat, well,the sound "worked" as long as it should be through the rear/front spaker mode,except it cannot switch to headphone mode |
| 04:06.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. BSD. its called a terminal. not linux prompt (= |
| 04:06.37 | TwistedEmotions | so I guessed was based on linux... do I not know what I'm talking about? |
| 04:06.59 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: and they start bitching "oh. i dont need linux, mac has a shell to.." fuck'em |
| 04:07.06 | furrywolf | actually, I'm getting them backwards.. the $9.99 one worked fine... it was the $49.99 one that sucked horribly. |
| 04:07.10 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Ohhh... so not based on linux? No wonder.. |
| 04:07.17 | deadcat | IDC: ah. dont know, you're fucked |
| 04:07.26 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Ohhh those fuckers... |
| 04:07.28 | IDC | deadcat, and i pysically connect to the headphone port in the 4 splitting jet on the back mode using my headphone,no sound |
| 04:07.42 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Damn this fucking registration is FUCKING LONG... |
| 04:08.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no. bsd. they salesperson fucked you good (= |
| 04:08.25 | IDC | deadcat, the problem,deep down is it cannot switch to headphone mode ,meanwhile the card doesnt have a jumper so by default it isnt working at the headphone mode |
| 04:08.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. annoying too. why cant it just be [ ] yes give me a fucking badge, [ ] NO |
| 04:09.03 | TwistedEmotions | lol.. |
| 04:09.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I didnt buy a mac.. |
| 04:09.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: just like installing windows. asking all the damn keys and shit, wheres the options "yes motherfucker i have to key, and its illegal" |
| 04:09.46 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Would never to that again... wasted like 4 years on that thing before i realized rest of the world runs on pc's |
| 04:09.54 | IDC | i mounted my windows NTFS partiton,but i cannot get to view the files from xmms |
| 04:10.01 | CompWizrd | you can get $9.99 soundcards.. they're called winmodems |
| 04:10.14 | xoz | TwistedEmotions: what basically is your need for runnning a pc? |
| 04:10.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you dont hve to run macos on a mac/apple hardware. i run debian on mine |
| 04:10.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: LoL.. damn.. finished one... |
| 04:10.37 | IDC | also,i copy mp3 from my windows NTFS to linux,i cannot play it in xmms,but i have to do 'chmod 444 file.mp3' |
| 04:10.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: well I run windows now.. but your coming over soon and resolving tha tproblem ;) WEeeeeee |
| 04:10.53 | rover_dan | IDC， maybe u should check your chmod |
| 04:11.01 | deadcat | IDC: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 04:11.07 | IDC | by default,all mp3s from my NTFS are being copied to linux,the default permission is '600' hmm |
| 04:11.09 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hehe. |
| 04:11.17 | TwistedEmotions | xoz: Net... Games... thats it... for work I need a bunch of different shit |
| 04:11.20 | IDC | deadcat, what that for ? |
| 04:11.24 | surreal | any of you guys have an AIW card? |
| 04:11.28 | deadcat | IDC: 600 is fine. check your umask |
| 04:11.38 | IDC | rover_dan, yeah the persmission the case,but i dont get it why its like that |
| 04:11.57 | deadcat | IDC: lsof == list open file, maybe your crappy soundcard is being used by some software. |
| 04:12.30 | IDC | deadcat, i meant,after i change the files to let it have READ permission ,it worked |
| 04:12.38 | peterS | !ops suggested topic updates: delete "gnome 2.10 not packaged yet" since it *is* in experimental; possibly mention that sarge security is up |
| 04:12.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: suggested topic updates: delete "gnome 2.10 not packaged yet" since it *is* in experimental; possibly mention that sarge security is up |
| 04:12.52 | IDC | oh, maybe its due to the settings on files from windows itself |
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| 04:13.13 | deadcat | IDC: oh. so its just perm problem. if its own by root, set the files to 644 |
| 04:13.25 | IDC | deadcat, yeah i had to do that :) |
| 04:13.28 | *** topic/#debian by caphuso -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up |
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| 04:13.36 | IDC | deadcat, thanks |
| 04:13.38 | peterS | caphuso: cool |
| 04:13.50 | deadcat | IDC: ntfs and vfat has no effect on linux when it comes to permissions, except they set it all to 777 |
| 04:14.02 | enigmus | with par2, is it possible to repair only one file of a set of files partXX.rar if you don't have all the partXX, but have a lot of recovery blocks? |
| 04:14.15 | IDC | I see |
| 04:15.30 | IDC | deadcat, i think the same reason that why i cannot view anything on my NTFS permission from xmms |
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| 04:15.30 | IDC | deadcat, simply,i would like to play music files from my ntfs paritioin but dont have to copy them all to linux to play |
| 04:15.51 | CompWizrd | enigmus: if i'm reading you right, yes |
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| 04:16.02 | CompWizrd | you can be missing a file and the .par2's will let you rebuild that missing file |
| 04:16.19 | Moonscope | hey, what are common IDE RAID cards that are good with Debian? |
| 04:16.25 | CompWizrd | you could have only one file out of a hundred, and if you had enough .par2 ifles, you could rebuild that entire set |
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| 04:16.35 | CompWizrd | Moonscope: anything from 3ware |
| 04:16.43 | CompWizrd | although the 9500S is a bit harder to make work with 2.4.x kernels |
| 04:17.12 | enigmus | CompWizrd: not exactly, say I have enough .par2 only to rebuild a few of those 100, but I am only interested in _one_ of those 100. |
| 04:17.19 | TwistedEmotions | Okay.. Q for you all... Anyone know how to update definition files for AMaViS.... ? It works with cyrus mail... and squirell mail. It's been installed on the server for like 6-9 months... and I just want to update definition files... DONT want to screw anything up. |
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| 04:17.22 | Moonscope | and if i created an image from my current server (1x IDE HDD) and then put in a raid card and installed an extra HDD, then restored the image to the new RAID configuration, would the system boot? |
| 04:17.42 | CompWizrd | enigmus: you can't rebuild without enough actual files and .par2's, no |
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| 04:18.06 | TwistedEmotions | My office is being taken over by damn viruses as the email virus filter cant seem to catch the latest ones out there.. |
| 04:19.24 | Moonscope | TwistedEmotions: ive noticed a BIG amount of emails coming through my mail servers of late, lots from virus's |
| 04:20.09 | TwistedEmotions | Mooscope: W32.Sober.O@mm? |
| 04:20.24 | enigmus | CompWizrd: ok. I should read more about Reed-Solomon. normal files and .par2 play more or less the same role regarding their ability to help rebuilding the file set? (but par2's can be used to rebuild any of the files) |
| 04:20.27 | Moonscope | TwistedEmotions: i think so, i havent actually caught them as yet. |
| 04:20.39 | TwistedEmotions | Moonscope: 1/2 are probably from my server... lol. |
| 04:20.53 | Moonscope | TwistedEmotions: lol, so you're to blame... |
| 04:21.03 | TwistedEmotions | Moonscope: U use a email virus filter? |
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| 04:24.49 | TwistedEmotions | Homos |
| 04:24.49 | mngrif | ooh, that was devistating |
| 04:24.49 | Moonscope | TwistedEmotions: on some of my sites, yeah, some dont though, but one of my sites looks to have been an open relay there is soo many emails waiting to be sent (it wasnt an open relay thought) |
| 04:24.49 | jim | big one |
| 04:24.49 | Moonscope | oh, Netsplit :) |
| 04:24.49 | TwistedEmotions | wtf was that? |
| 04:24.49 | jim | netsplat |
| 04:24.49 | Moonscope | !netsplit |
| 04:24.49 | jim | (sic) |
| 04:24.50 | Moonscope | damn |
| 04:24.50 | mngrif | net.. split |
| 04:24.50 | mngrif | the network split |
| 04:24.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 04:24.50 | jim | splat! |
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| 04:25.46 | jim | I could even hear it... it sounded like a splat to me |
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| 04:25.47 | mngrif | wb all |
| 04:25.47 | shingouz | challenged: Why is that? |
| 04:25.47 | LuPuZ | hehe |
| 04:25.47 | Moonscope | hi again :) |
| 04:25.47 | cplx | merlin__ ? u work for google? |
| 04:25.48 | Moonscope | and if i created an image from my current server (1x IDE HDD) and then put in a raid card and installed an extra HDD, then restored the image to the new RAID configuration, would the system boot? |
| 04:25.48 | TwistedEmotions | wtf its about to crash my shitty irc program... im lagging like a mofo.. |
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| 04:25.48 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: get a real irc client |
| 04:25.48 | TwistedEmotions | damn chatzilla... |
| 04:25.48 | Guerin | hahah |
| 04:25.48 | cplx | irssii |
| 04:25.48 | mwilson | !u |
| 04:25.48 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:25.48 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: lol ;) I agree |
| 04:25.48 | Moonscope | hmm, mIRC seems to be the standard |
| 04:25.50 | Guerin | if you mean 'standard amongst clueless w4r3x0rs', then maybe |
| 04:25.50 | Moonscope | what do you use then Guerin |
| 04:25.50 | TwistedEmotions | Moonscope: yeah well this is just easier ;) |
| 04:25.50 | cplx | irssi? |
| 04:25.50 | cplx | :D |
| 04:25.50 | buu | irssi fo lyphe. |
| 04:25.50 | cplx | indeed buu |
| 04:25.50 | Guerin | !irssi |
| 04:25.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, irssi is the best irc client ever |
| 04:25.50 | TwistedEmotions | So does anyone use Amavis? |
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| 04:25.51 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: I did, but it was a hog so I canned it |
| 04:25.51 | challenged | shingouz, : because theres a split and it felt like no one else was around........average temperatur in blackpool would be 16 degrees C |
| 04:25.51 | rover_dan | quake |
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| 04:26.02 | shingouz | challenged: Ok, never been to Blackpool in my life so I could not tell :) |
| 04:26.02 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: you wouldnt happen to remember how to update virus definitions would you? |
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| 04:26.37 | Moonscope | so i shall pose my questions again. If i created a ghost type image from my current server (1x IDE HDD) and then put in a raid card and installed an extra HDD, then restored the image to the new RAID configuration, would the system boot? |
| 04:26.49 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: are you using an externam virus scanner, like clamav? |
| 04:27.01 | challenged | shingouz, : hehe i havent been there since i was 6 but it had such an effect on me that i now live on the opposite side of the world to it |
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| 04:27.13 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Im using Amavis? |
| 04:27.20 | TwistedEmotions | cyrus mail |
| 04:27.26 | rafx | oops, 146 days since maintainer asked for help moving package with 0 outstanding bugs from unstable into testing...is there anything we can do to help? |
| 04:27.26 | TwistedEmotions | and squirrelmail... |
| 04:27.47 | TwistedEmotions | If that didnt answer you question... sorry I dont know much about what I do Weeeeee |
| 04:27.48 | shingouz | challenged: A nice place then, Blackpool |
| 04:27.49 | rafx | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=285361 |
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| 04:28.18 | challenged | Moonscope: id say you would have problems at the bootloader but it wont be far away....you could probably boot an live cd and chroot across and repair |
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| 04:28.36 | Moonscope | hmm, that seems difficult |
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| 04:28.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U want to spend a few hours at work on friday? |
| 04:29.01 | challenged | shingouz: best thing about it is its where they make candy rock candy.... |
| 04:29.14 | jim | what's the thing that writes out a /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:29.17 | Moonscope | challenged: what about drivers for the raid card, linux wouldnt find the drives would it? |
| 04:29.19 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: i used clamav through amavis for virus scanning |
| 04:29.23 | jim | other than a text editor |
| 04:29.32 | jetscreamer | u u u |
| 04:29.35 | jetscreamer | netcardconfig maybe |
| 04:29.36 | mwilson | jim: That IS what writes out the interfaces file. |
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| 04:29.45 | jim | e e e |
| 04:29.51 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: you want to tell me how to scan? |
| 04:30.10 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: apt-get install clamav clamav-freshclam; rtfm. |
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| 04:30.22 | jetscreamer | and there's a module for the installer, console-network-config iirc, but i never figured out how to get it to work |
| 04:30.37 | sparr_ | I am playing games that use ALSA and/or artsd for their audio. I have ALSA set up to use dmixer so it mixes automagically for me. A problem I am having is that when I do something outside the game that uses my cpu the audio stutters or crackles. What can I do to fix that? |
| 04:30.37 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I mean you want to tell me how to figure out my external scanner is? |
| 04:30.57 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: why don't you know? |
| 04:31.15 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Too scared to do that... dont want to install new programs... afraid will screw up setup.. |
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| 04:31.30 | Guerin | sparr_: get a faster machine |
| 04:31.31 | herbi_ | hi guys |
| 04:31.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: friday what time? |
| 04:31.42 | herbi_ | i was wondering if there was a list of linux compatible firewire cards? |
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| 04:31.45 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I didnt setup the system... some linux expert did... I dont know what I'm doing ... |
| 04:31.47 | herbi_ | (pcmcia or pci) |
| 04:31.48 | sparr_ | Guerin: I'll take 'No' for $200 Alex |
| 04:31.52 | Guerin | sparr_: or, if you use artsd, you can run it with realtime priority |
| 04:32.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Where... like 1-2 ish? maybe later? |
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| 04:32.17 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: then ask that person. |
| 04:32.18 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: 1-2 is good. |
| 04:32.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Ignore the where.. |
| 04:32.29 | IDC | i mounted my NTFS in /mnt/winnt,now i check persmission -> |
| 04:32.35 | Guerin | herbi_: linux-1394.org |
| 04:32.38 | IDC | dr-x------ 1 root root 8192 2005-05-02 17:35 winnt |
| 04:32.44 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 04:32.44 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 04:32.46 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You want to come in so you can show me some of the shit your doing? |
| 04:32.47 | deadcat | IDC: man mount |
| 04:32.49 | IDC | should i add R for all users ? |
| 04:32.59 | jetscreamer | unless yu use udev then i dunno |
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| 04:33.09 | IDC | I mean,if i do that,will that affect to windows ? |
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| 04:33.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya sure. but i wear tshirt and hat though (= |
| 04:33.23 | jetscreamer | don't write to ntfs |
| 04:33.34 | jetscreamer | it's a red hat, right? |
| 04:33.43 | IDC | jetscreamer, will not,besides i didnt add write to NTFS support in kernel |
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| 04:34.09 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Errrr... What kinda hat? |
| 04:34.14 | jetscreamer | btw 2.6.11-8 compiled just fine the first time |
| 04:34.35 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You will have to meet CEO so that's why I am asking.. I couldn't care less... |
| 04:34.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i see (= |
| 04:34.53 | jetscreamer | 2.6.11.8.3.8611.777 |
| 04:34.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: this hat http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2004/20040803.linux.world.expo/IMG_0043.JPG |
| 04:35.15 | jetscreamer | i didn't know nat was needed for iptables |
| 04:35.25 | IDC | I Mean,if i change permission on the mounted NTFS partition in LInux,will that change the original permission settings in windows ? |
| 04:35.30 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:35.45 | jetscreamer | no writing, remember? |
| 04:35.45 | IDC | jetscreamer, that 'no' for me ? |
| 04:35.47 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 04:35.47 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: but i guess i can go home after school and wash my hair (= |
| 04:35.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: No can do... now if you wear the penguin suite and the hat I can just tell him your excited to work... lol... just kidding... that's fine. |
| 04:36.01 | IDC | jetscreamer, oh,i now got it :) Thanks |
| 04:36.36 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. i AM the dude in the penguin suite (= |
| 04:36.37 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: all good... just look relatively clean and decent... |
| 04:36.43 | deadcat | just someone grabbing my ass (= |
| 04:36.45 | jetscreamer | with the red hat |
| 04:36.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: LoL... really? |
| 04:36.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya i will do it without the hat then (= |
| 04:37.00 | IDC | so which switch to add to chmod that will do the jobs to change permission on a NTFS partion including all the files in it ? |
| 04:37.15 | jetscreamer | !tell idc about ro-ntfs |
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| 04:37.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: LoL... who gave you that picture then... was that one of your friends? |
| 04:38.10 | mwilson | IDC: None. You can't change permissions on an NTFS partition. |
| 04:38.22 | IDC | hmm |
| 04:38.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nah. i am the dude grabbing the penguin's ass |
| 04:38.27 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:38.46 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: lol... good deal... |
| 04:38.53 | IDC | mwilson, now its 'dr-x------ 1 root root 8192 2005-05-02 17:35 winnt',in xmms,i cannot view files in /mnt/winnt |
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| 04:38.56 | challenged | Moonscope, : depends how it interfaces....real raid needs drivers....ata raid is quirky...some will work as standard IDE some need drivers |
| 04:38.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: mounting him: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2004/20040803.linux.world.expo/.cache/100x75-IMG_0044.JPG : scratching my ass: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2004/20040803.linux.world.expo/.cache/100x75-IMG_0039.JPG |
| 04:39.08 | mwilson | IDC: So mount it properly, then. |
| 04:39.17 | smacnay | What is the config file setting to make mutt automatically send and encrypt a message to oneself when the outgoing message (to user X) is encrypted? |
| 04:39.24 | mwilson | IDC: I believe you've been told that at least once. |
| 04:39.34 | smacnay | Or does one need to add themselves to the cc list? |
| 04:39.37 | jetscreamer | IDC: i told you twice how to, once by bot |
| 04:39.42 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Im going to PM you my cell number... gimme a call like 12? |
| 04:39.56 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: LoL... how come picts are soo small? |
| 04:39.58 | deadcat | k |
| 04:40.03 | IDC | jetscreamer, thanks,let me try |
| 04:40.10 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: click diff resolution |
| 04:40.14 | deadcat | or original |
| 04:40.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: my name is calvin |
| 04:40.35 | jetscreamer | calvin klienbottle |
| 04:40.40 | deadcat | usually i tell people here is boris (= |
| 04:40.46 | challenged | IDC: lol you still trying to figure out ntfs? |
| 04:41.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Wassup man... my name is Ash... lol... nice scratching your ass with like 30 people watching.. lol |
| 04:41.17 | deadcat | HAHAH |
| 04:41.30 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i am planning something else this year too (= |
| 04:41.32 | IDC | chad|david, lol :) not really,different problem |
| 04:41.46 | IDC | chad|david, now my lilo works good with ntfs,:) |
| 04:42.19 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: LoL... I will definately see you there... might just follow you around to watch your stunts... |
| 04:42.26 | deadcat | HAHAH |
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| 04:43.09 | furrywolf | heh. from the "HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux" howto... "Don't call people bitches". what else do you call a female wolf? :) |
| 04:43.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: by the way. i only wear tshirt though. |
| 04:43.36 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: That makes two of us.. |
| 04:44.08 | deadcat | cool (= |
| 04:45.18 | cafuego | furrywolf: dinner |
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| 04:45.46 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I heard Microsoft is doing to have a booth at linux expo |
| 04:45.46 | furrywolf | this document is some of the worst bull I've ever read... perhaps it's just because I live in california, but I've never seen anything they complain about happen... |
| 04:46.03 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. last year too. |
| 04:46.08 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: Is it on hurricanes? |
| 04:46.15 | deucehaus | i'm getting lots of xruns in mplayer while watching a dvd... is there an easy way to fix this? |
| 04:47.38 | TwistedEmotions | www.gwfund.com |
| 04:47.56 | TwistedEmotions | ^^^ Concord location |
| 04:48.01 | deadcat | roger |
| 04:48.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I was kidding about microsoft... wtf are they doing at linux expo? |
| 04:48.47 | TwistedEmotions | Telling people... NOOOOoooo.. Dont do it? |
| 04:48.57 | furrywolf | whoever wrote it manages to make just as many sexist assumptions as the men it complains about... for example, it assumes all women are housewives and can't attend LUG meetings at times that conflict with kids' school. |
| 04:48.58 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: Showing how VirtualPC runs Linux? |
| 04:49.03 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i dont know. but they were there. i didnt see anyone talking to them though (= |
| 04:49.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: LoL.. |
| 04:49.22 | TwistedEmotions | cafuego: I hate Virtual PC.. |
| 04:49.31 | TwistedEmotions | but didnt know it ran linux.. |
| 04:49.50 | cafuego | it even runs OpenBSD |
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| 04:50.00 | deadcat | virtual pc is that Mac thing right? |
| 04:50.03 | cafuego | yes |
| 04:50.04 | TwistedEmotions | Didnt know that... |
| 04:50.15 | cafuego | used to be Connectix, but MS purchased them. |
| 04:50.28 | deadcat | shouldnt it be a Mac booth instead of MS? (= |
| 04:50.30 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah... slow as fuck... but the last time I ran it was like 10 years ago and it emulated windows 95... lol |
| 04:50.35 | cafuego | I think they wanted the VM technology to run VMs on x86 |
| 04:50.46 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Agreeed... |
| 04:50.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: HAAHA. thats about right... 10 years ago (= |
| 04:51.02 | cafuego | Pretty sure their enterprise w2k3 runs VMs that CAN run Linux these days |
| 04:51.20 | TwistedEmotions | brb |
| 04:51.36 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: comming from DVC, which exit do i take? |
| 04:51.48 | furrywolf | the "HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux" howto is so poorly written I'm inclined to email the author... heh |
| 04:52.11 | deadcat | furrywolf: HAHAHAH. |
| 04:52.25 | cafuego | furrywolf: Why don't you fix it up and THEN email the author? |
| 04:52.38 | Paganist | do the package alien consider the bsd -> sysV ? |
| 04:52.40 | deadcat | cafuego: i doubt he'll know |
| 04:52.51 | deadcat | Paganist: no. |
| 04:52.57 | cafuego | Paganist: wtf does bsd/sysv have to do with rpm? |
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| 04:53.02 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I recommend you use yahoo maps... but Uhhh... just go straight up willow pass for days... were roughly accross the street from Fry's |
| 04:53.19 | cafuego | Or does redhat use bsd initscripts these days? |
| 04:53.19 | furrywolf | because it more needs a re-write than a fix, and if I write it, everyone will ignore it because it's written by a straight guy. |
| 04:53.22 | Paganist | cafuego: installation of an init file for example |
| 04:53.25 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ah. i know how to get to fry's (= |
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| 04:54.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: All nerds do... ;( |
| 04:54.02 | FrozenSpoon | I want to install Debian but need to use 2.6 for various reasons. How much trouble is that going to be? |
| 04:54.06 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
| 04:54.20 | cafuego | FrozenSpoon: Sarge with 2.6 is trivial. |
| 04:54.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Hey Im guilty... I could drive there blindfolded... I mean if I had drivers license... |
| 04:54.39 | FrozenSpoon | cafuego: Using something considered 'unstabe' is a little scarry... |
| 04:54.41 | angel12 | i am trying to install xfree86 on sarge rc2, is there a way to have sarge configure my xf86 config automatically? |
| 04:54.51 | cafuego | FrozenSpoon: Uh, what? |
| 04:54.59 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahhaah. sad.. taking public transportation... |
| 04:55.10 | FrozenSpoon | cafuego: Isn't sarge the unstable branch? |
| 04:55.13 | enigmus | FrozenSpoon: let's put this straight. unstable means that the 'packages' are unstable. Not the softwares themselves. |
| 04:55.20 | Guerin | what's wrong with public transportation? |
| 04:55.22 | deadcat | FrozenSpoon: no. sarge == testing. |
| 04:55.25 | Guerin | oh, you guys live in the US |
| 04:55.26 | TwistedEmotions | Ohhhhh... I am almost done with my sexy ass thermoelectric cooler setup for my CPU and Video Card.. |
| 04:55.29 | cafuego | FrozenSpoon: Sarge isn't unstable. Sarge is the next stable and was frozen as of a few hours ago. it will be released within a month or so. |
| 04:55.30 | deadcat | Guerin: it sucks |
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| 04:55.37 | Guerin | where 'public' is a communist ideal |
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| 04:55.42 | cafuego | Guerin: WHAT transportation? |
| 04:55.44 | Paganist | FrozenSpoon: sarge "soon" stable |
| 04:55.49 | furrywolf | twisted: I once started building a thermoelectric ant trap. :P |
| 04:55.52 | Guerin | deadcat: it only sucks because nobdy uses it... because it sucks |
| 04:55.56 | FrozenSpoon | And sarge is 2.6 based? Might as well just wait for it |
| 04:56.01 | angel12 | i am trying to install xfree86 on sarge rc2, is there a way to have sarge configure my xf86 config automatically? |
| 04:56.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: No... worse.... mommy and daddy to/from school.. friends elsewhere... |
| 04:56.11 | cafuego | FrozenSpoon: no, sarge uses 2.4.2X by default, but can also use 2.6 |
| 04:56.20 | Guerin | angel12: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 04:56.21 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: HAHAHAH. |
| 04:56.32 | cafuego | FrozenSpoon: You can happily install and use it now, tens of thousands do. |
| 04:56.37 | Paganist | FrozenSpoon: don't wait for sarge |
| 04:56.43 | furrywolf | entire neighborhood where I used to live got overrun by ants... one day I noticed them happily marching into the freezer and freezing themselves... I decided a can with a bit of soda in the bottom mounted on top of a little peltier element might be fun. |
| 04:56.46 | enigmus | FrozenSpoon: there is no need to wait for it, really. once it gets out, you can switch to stable (since it is now frozen). |
| 04:56.49 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: LoL.... That is... interesting... you catch anything? |
| 04:57.09 | FrozenSpoon | So can Ijust download the kernel and build it or do I need some special debian build of it? |
| 04:57.12 | furrywolf | never finished building it. couldn't afford the $20 to get the peltier. |
| 04:57.15 | angel12 | Guerin, i have it installed, its just when i configure it myself my moniter doesnt like my config so it turns off till i kill the x server |
| 04:57.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Like being in 6th grade and shit... Mommy can I get a ride... I need a pack of smokes... |
| 04:57.28 | Guerin | !drxx angel12 |
| 04:57.29 | dpkg | angel12: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 04:57.41 | Guerin | angel12: choose a lower resolution or refresh rate |
| 04:57.47 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahahah.. |
| 04:57.52 | TwistedEmotions | !drxx twistedEmotions |
| 04:57.53 | dpkg | twistedEmotions: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 04:57.53 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:57.57 | TwistedEmotions | Weeee |
| 04:58.02 | Paganist | FrozenSpoon: read the apt manual and download any sarge release for your architecture |
| 04:58.08 | Guerin | you need a ride in the car to go to the nearest shop? |
| 04:58.34 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Kinda... closest place is like 2 miles away.. |
| 04:58.41 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:58.48 | furrywolf | nearest store here is about 8 miles... |
| 04:58.57 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I would walk.. but I smoke.. and I love on a fat ass hilll... |
| 04:58.58 | FrozenSpoon | hrm well I'll try to figure this out.. thanks.. |
| 04:59.04 | Guerin | are you guys out in the wilderness? |
| 04:59.17 | Paganist | nearest thing here is a dunking donuts... i wouldn't call this a store... |
| 04:59.22 | bucky | Guerin, yeah.. the burbs |
| 04:59.27 | Guerin | bucky: haha |
| 04:59.32 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Not really... Bay area, CA... just the gay part.. |
| 04:59.44 | furrywolf | wilderness. on the end of a dirt road off another dirt road. much nicer here. :) |
| 05:00.07 | bucky | must be the rich part if you're 8 miles from the nearest store |
| 05:00.07 | xoz | they don't call yourself wolf for nothin' |
| 05:00.14 | Gnea | oh COOL, sarge is frozen! |
| 05:00.43 | TwistedEmotions | fuck living in the middle of nowhere... u KNOW your getting fiberoptic connection last in nation... like DSL and Cable.. |
| 05:00.57 | furrywolf | actually, I've got cable here. |
| 05:01.01 | angel12 | i tried all the way down to the lowest res/refresh rate and it still dies |
| 05:01.14 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I do too.. just saying.. |
| 05:01.16 | Guerin | i'd prefer to live out in the middle of nowhere, actually |
| 05:01.26 | angel12 | for an nvidia card should i be using the vesa server? |
| 05:01.28 | furrywolf | and, since the population density is so low, there's only about 10 people sharing the connection... |
| 05:01.45 | furrywolf | so I get 450kB/sec down any time day or night, with no evening slowdowns like the people in the city. :P |
| 05:01.46 | TwistedEmotions | Cant wait till fiber optic connections hit bay area... |
| 05:02.10 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I live with rich people... they all have broadband... but none use it ;) Weeee |
| 05:02.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: school got pretty good connection. and the library has free wifi |
| 05:02.24 | Guerin | but as it is, I live within walking distance of about 50 restaurants, baskin robbins, dominos, two supermarkets, a bunch of convenience stores, 5 gyms, several doctor/dental clinics, about 100 beauty parlours, about 200 pc rooms... |
| 05:02.31 | Gnea | now if the rest of the world can step up to match the bandwidth... |
| 05:02.35 | Guerin | and *I* live in the suburbs |
| 05:02.52 | furrywolf | before they had cable, I used to go to the local library with a stack of zip disks (only drives their computers had)... |
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| 05:03.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Would they notice if I *accidently* left behind a server and plugged it in? |
| 05:03.07 | Guerin | angel12: no, use nv |
| 05:03.13 | Gnea | Guerin: that's ok, i live in the surburbia area of a rural area |
| 05:03.19 | furrywolf | I probably pulled 15gb of mp3s over the library's link onto zip disks. :) |
| 05:03.26 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: heheh. NAT so its useless. |
| 05:03.32 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: LoL.. |
| 05:03.32 | IDC | jetscreamer, hi,are you still there ? |
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| 05:03.45 | angel12 | lmao, i completely forgot about nv, it works now |
| 05:03.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Bound to be a way around that.. |
| 05:03.51 | angel12 | thanks guys |
| 05:03.53 | IDC | jetscreamer, i read your message about adding NTFS in fstab,but ... |
| 05:04.14 | IDC | jetscreamer, i build NTFS in kernel as module,so will it work ? |
| 05:04.20 | angel12 | btw, how would i install synaptic? |
| 05:04.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: their logon program sucks... just CTRL-Alt-Delete... or did they fix that? |
| 05:04.50 | TwistedEmotions | of course that doesnt solve NAT but... |
| 05:05.03 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: it asks for your school id. but i never tried it. i just use my laptop. |
| 05:05.33 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How fast is up/download on average? |
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| 05:06.02 | Guerin | did I mention that I also have 100 megabit full-dup internet? |
| 05:06.05 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 05:06.06 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: down is ~ 500kpbs on my usb wireless |
| 05:06.19 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Just type in 1234567 and logon as Dumb, Ass |
| 05:06.33 | deadcat | hhaha. will try tomorrow then |
| 05:06.41 | TwistedEmotions | Damn... not bad... your own 6meg dsl line... |
| 05:06.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. good for update && upgrade |
| 05:07.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: So if you use laptop then no ports are blocked? |
| 05:07.40 | TwistedEmotions | or just port 80 is open? |
| 05:07.47 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: blocks irc/aim/icq/bittorrent i bet as well |
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| 05:08.10 | TwistedEmotions | U think bittorrent? They that smart? |
| 05:08.17 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
| 05:08.20 | IDC | a common question please: if you have built supporting NTFS as module ,can you still auto mount NTFS partition at boot by editing /etc/fstab ? |
| 05:08.23 | jetscreamer | no it won't work that's why the factoid about how to get ntfs reading is there, i made the factoid to fool ppl, not help them (repeatedly) |
| 05:08.27 | furrywolf | twisted: stop using U. it's getting annoying. |
| 05:08.28 | Guerin | IDC: sure |
| 05:08.33 | dondelelcaro | IDC: if you load the ntfs module, yes. |
| 05:08.36 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: Sorry.. |
| 05:08.43 | IDC | huh ? |
| 05:08.48 | TwistedEmotions | Damn AIM habbits ;P |
| 05:08.55 | jetscreamer | it won't work don't try just give up |
| 05:08.59 | furrywolf | people on AIM find it annoying too. :P |
| 05:08.59 | jetscreamer | i lied |
| 05:09.02 | Guerin | mount can install kernel modules as necessary, can it not? |
| 05:09.08 | jetscreamer | actually, there is no ntfs |
| 05:09.11 | IDC | Or is there a flag to tell kernel to do that at boot command ? |
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| 05:09.42 | jetscreamer | put the module in /etc/modules |
| 05:09.42 | IDC | Guerin, you mean it will auto load ntfs support ? |
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| 05:09.48 | Guerin | IDC: you can always echo ntfs >> /etc/modules |
| 05:09.59 | Guerin | IDC: I'm given to believe that. |
| 05:09.59 | jetscreamer | auto works in the mount directive, also in fstab |
| 05:09.59 | IDC | oh |
| 05:10.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i am out. lots of reading to do. )= |
| 05:10.08 | IDC | let me check |
| 05:10.19 | jetscreamer | i use it atm, no telling if it's vfat or ntfs day to day |
| 05:10.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Linux related or school? |
| 05:10.28 | deadcat | school. )= |
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| 05:10.35 | TwistedEmotions | Ahh... enjoy.. ;) |
| 05:10.41 | TwistedEmotions | later man. |
| 05:10.42 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:10.47 | deadcat | ubuntu: wrong channel... |
| 05:10.48 | deadcat | bye hehe |
| 05:10.59 | IDC | Thanks,so simply add 'ntfs' to /etc/modules ? |
| 05:11.03 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:11.08 | IDC | cool :D |
| 05:11.43 | IDC | by the way,im gonna do it this this in /etc/fastab,not sure if its correct though |
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| 05:12.01 | yaarg | there's not an easy way to uninstall gnome is there? |
| 05:12.07 | Guerin | !uninstall gnome |
| 05:12.16 | Guerin | !remove gnome |
| 05:12.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 05:12.24 | IDC | '/dev/hda6 /mnt/winnt ntfs defaults,codepage=936,iocharset=cp936 0 0' ? |
| 05:12.31 | yaarg | w00t |
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| 05:19.49 | jetscreamer | try man mount |
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| 05:20.29 | jetscreamer | i see copy/paste isn't your forte |
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| 05:25.01 | Vivaldi | is there a chance to have a working installer in sarge? |
| 05:25.28 | Vivaldi | i have been waiting for a stable installer for _2_ years or more |
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| 05:25.43 | bob2 | shut up |
| 05:25.46 | bob2 | idiot |
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| 05:25.51 | TwistedEmotions | hahahahah |
| 05:25.53 | TwistedEmotions | http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/humor/masterssign.jpg |
| 05:26.09 | Vivaldi | it still doesn't mount the root partition /dev/hda3 due to devfs, which is DEPRECATED since adamo was born |
| 05:26.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/humor/masterssign.jpg lol... thats pimp man.. |
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| 05:26.27 | bob2 | Vivaldi: so file bugs |
| 05:26.35 | bob2 | Vivaldi: whinging on irc just makes you stupid and annoying |
| 05:26.40 | Vivaldi | i did it 1000000000000000 times |
| 05:26.44 | bob2 | right |
| 05:26.49 | bob2 | we'll all take you seriously now |
| 05:26.52 | simonrvn | channel name isn't #reportbug |
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| 05:27.17 | bucky | what... did 740 people in this channel not get the installer to work? |
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| 05:28.49 | jetscreamer | no, damn installer.. i had to compile debian by hand |
| 05:29.11 | bucky | i'm waiting for the italian distro to come out |
| 05:29.11 | simonrvn | just like LFS |
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| 05:30.28 | Guerin | d-i has worked perfectly on every occasion for me except when 1) i used a 6-month old daily and libc6 had changed; 2) i tried to install on a machine with a faulty ide controller |
| 05:31.24 | jetscreamer | lies, the installer never worked |
| 05:31.36 | jetscreamer | it's vaporware |
| 05:32.06 | Guerin | must be ubuntu |
| 05:32.07 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 05:32.13 | jetscreamer | yeah i thought so |
| 05:32.16 | Guerin | I ran it with --no-ugly-brown-decor |
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| 05:32.24 | Guerin | :) |
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| 05:33.08 | bucky | RMS cloned himself and came out with a new distro |
| 05:33.10 | bucky | https://e.ututo.org.ar/xp/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=85&cid=4 |
| 05:33.17 | ivoks | well, it was allready a f** time :) |
| 05:33.41 | ivoks | sarge iz frozen |
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| 05:33.55 | jetscreamer | there is no sarge |
| 05:34.05 | jetscreamer | cept in q3 |
| 05:34.12 | ivoks | ? |
| 05:34.19 | bucky | HA HA HA |
| 05:34.21 | jetscreamer | seriously... |
| 05:34.26 | jetscreamer | would i lie to you? |
| 05:35.01 | simonrvn | /topic |
| 05:35.07 | aardvark | !lie |
| 05:35.07 | dpkg | aardvark, i am incapable of lying, or knoppix is better than debian |
| 05:35.43 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here use openantivirus? |
| 05:35.49 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 05:35.49 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:35.55 | jetscreamer | what topic, i doan see no stinkin topic |
| 05:35.57 | aardvark | !anyone yuse |
| 05:35.57 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, capiche? You don't mess with the family. |
| 05:36.00 | TwistedEmotions | I use it. |
| 05:36.11 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: no, you don't. |
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| 05:36.27 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I know just being smart.. |
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| 05:36.39 | mc_ | good morning |
| 05:36.41 | IDC | i canot change perssion to /mnt/winnt/Mp3 |
| 05:36.43 | TwistedEmotions | Okay.. I knew better then to ask like that... |
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| 05:36.48 | IDC | permission* |
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| 05:36.53 | jetscreamer | mount it correctly |
| 05:37.00 | furrywolf | helloboy: if you use knoppix, try #knoppix |
| 05:37.10 | TwistedEmotions | Does someone know the command to get openantivirus to update its definitions? |
| 05:37.15 | mwilson | jetscreamer: How many times now has he been told? |
| 05:37.25 | jetscreamer | 6 or 8 |
| 05:37.34 | jetscreamer | maybe only 5 |
| 05:37.37 | mwilson | "openantivirus" (whatever that is) doesn't have any documentation? |
| 05:37.40 | jetscreamer | but 6 probably |
| 05:37.55 | Guerin | jetscreamer: since knoppix@* is devoiced, I don't think you need to bother |
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| 05:38.23 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: Heh... on their website... cant find anything... but then again... might be missing it and it might be sitting in front of me |
| 05:38.38 | IDC | jetscreamer, by then can normal user read from that partition ? |
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| 05:39.51 | Sinisterr | TwistedEmotions: i doubt you will ever need a virus scanner in nix it seem only bill gates has that problem :) |
| 05:40.24 | Guerin | that doens't change the fact that soome people have need to run av on a mail server for windows users |
| 05:40.50 | TwistedEmotions | Sinisterr: Haha... dont have a problem on linux... I use it for my mail server at work ;) |
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| 05:41.10 | TwistedEmotions | yeah what Guerin said.. |
| 05:41.12 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: are you the admin of a production mail server? |
| 05:41.14 | kooldeb | is there a way to hide a process from top or ps -aux ? |
| 05:41.19 | Guerin | kooldeb: no. |
| 05:41.47 | kooldeb | Guerin: I know there is one, asking to find out if there are more |
| 05:41.59 | Guerin | never hide processes. |
| 05:42.06 | Guerin | unless you're writing a rootkit |
| 05:42.13 | furrywolf | kooldeb: yes. most all rootkits have code to do that. |
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| 05:42.23 | jetscreamer | IDC: the ro-ntfs factoid works fine here. you need to adjust it to your needs. /msg dpkg ro-ntfs , then man mount in the dos/vfat/ntfs area |
| 05:42.40 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: No... system admin... having problem with viruses spreading hardcore even with antivirus installed on every computer... damn norton... Just wanted to see if I could update scanner on linux server to get it to find more bad emails.. |
| 05:42.56 | bob2 | dpkg: stats |
| 05:42.56 | furrywolf | old rootkits did it by replacing top, ps, etc with cracked versions that wouldn't show things, while new ones actually mess with the kernel to hide things. |
| 05:42.56 | dpkg | Since Tue May 3 19:14:39 2005, there have been 5 modifications, 327 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 87 commands. I have been awake for 10h 28m 18s this session, and currently reference 25431 factoids. I'm using about 15188 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 100.45/4.54 child 61.01/4.12 |
| 05:42.56 | IDC | jetscreamer, okay,thanks |
| 05:43.04 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: just tell your MTA to strip attachments. |
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| 05:43.28 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: but yeah, actually using an av scanner might be better. |
| 05:43.34 | kooldeb | furrywolf: but in that case, you can choose which processes to hide ? |
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| 05:44.07 | Guerin | kooldeb: why do you want to know, and why are you incapable of finding it out for yourself? is there actually a legitimate reason to hide processes? |
| 05:44.10 | furrywolf | kooldeb: yep. a modern rootkit typically has a command that takes a pid as an argument, and hides that pid. |
| 05:44.18 | Guerin | or ARE you actually trying to write a rootkit? |
| 05:44.19 | simonrvn | wtf would you care other than acting like script kiddie? |
| 05:44.35 | Sinisterr | TwistedEmotions: updatevirus: Script for updating virus definitions for OpenAntiVirus |
| 05:44.35 | Sinisterr | # (http://www.openantivirus.org/). Uses wget and netcat. |
| 05:44.57 | simonrvn | or doing research... but still being a newbie, i'd think the former |
| 05:45.08 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Need the attachments... use it a lot for financing and all that which is what we do.. |
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| 05:45.18 | Guerin | if he's doing research, he should be doing it OHO |
| 05:45.26 | kooldeb | wow wow wow, am asking Qs here as a professional security person, if you have any further concerns, private message me, otherwise, I dont like to see other comments |
| 05:45.36 | furrywolf | kooldeb: as for actual details, use the source, luke. |
| 05:45.42 | mwilson | kooldeb: Sure you are. |
| 05:45.55 | kooldeb | mwilson: you better believe it |
| 05:46.01 | mwilson | I don't. |
| 05:46.05 | Guerin | kooldeb: if you don't like to see them, don't read them. But since you're ina public channel full of opinionated curmudgeons... |
| 05:46.06 | kooldeb | you problem. |
| 05:46.11 | TwistedEmotions | Sinisterr: Thanks... Went to the website but I didnt find any documentation... not even a faq... I will look up wget and netcat |
| 05:46.20 | simonrvn | if you're a pro, you won't mind the counter-questions.... |
| 05:46.22 | Sinisterr | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/05/msg01864.html |
| 05:46.27 | Sinisterr | try that |
| 05:46.42 | simonrvn | ...and would know how to deal with them professionally... |
| 05:46.43 | mwilson | If he were a pro, he wouldn't be asking in an IRC channel. |
| 05:46.52 | Sinisterr | thats where the script is |
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| 05:47.00 | caphuso | especially not not such basic questions |
| 05:47.10 | simonrvn | so "pardon us" if we don't believe you one iota |
| 05:47.18 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 05:47.33 | kooldeb | caphuso> basic hein ? |
| 05:47.37 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 05:47.50 | da_bon_bon | wil sarge release use kde 3.4 and gnome 2.10 ? |
| 05:47.59 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: no. |
| 05:47.59 | kooldeb | furrywolf: thanks for the feedback . |
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| 05:48.18 | simonrvn | @tell LuPuZ -about root |
| 05:48.44 | metrix | I am using Debian stable on a server and needed rsync several years back so I added unstable to the sources list and only downloaded what was needed to get rsync to work.. is there anything I need to do now to make sure my system upgrades when sarge releases? |
| 05:48.53 | kooldeb | simonrvn: you are saying you are not a professional since you are on this channel then |
| 05:49.05 | Guerin | metrix: is that the only thing you installed from unstable? |
| 05:49.12 | da_bon_bon | hey, /msg dpkg java and xorg doesnt work |
| 05:49.28 | Guerin | kooldeb: if you look carefully, you'll note that simonrvn answers orders of magnitude more questiosn than he asks |
| 05:49.33 | simonrvn | kooldeb: *i* did not say that, you dumbass. at least go after the right person |
| 05:49.43 | metrix | guerin: I think it pulled a few dependencies, but I don't remember which ones |
| 05:49.45 | da_bon_bon | ?? java |
| 05:50.03 | da_bon_bon | ?? xorg |
| 05:50.04 | caphuso | da_bon_bon: works for me |
| 05:50.07 | Guerin | metrix: ok, but you haven't been upgrading and updating from unstable ever since? |
| 05:50.21 | kooldeb | simonrvn: you lost my respect |
| 05:50.22 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: java isn't in debian. x.org will be in the release after sarge. |
| 05:50.39 | metrix | Guerin I haven't upgraded the system, but I left unstable in so it could upgrade rsync |
| 05:50.44 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: sarge is STABLE. The things you're talking about haven't been released long enough to be considered stable. |
| 05:50.45 | simonrvn | kooldeb: so? wtf do i care, especially when you blank-faced lied to us |
| 05:51.02 | da_bon_bon | hey, can someone test if /msg dpkg xorg works ? |
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| 05:51.07 | kooldeb | simonrvn: you THINK I lied, your own fucking problem not mine |
| 05:51.07 | Guerin | metrix: you should be fine. Remove that unstable line from sources.list and go to it. |
| 05:51.12 | furrywolf | bonbon: yes, you can. |
| 05:51.12 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: it does |
| 05:51.18 | simonrvn | kooldeb: exactly. so be it. ignored |
| 05:51.31 | metrix | Guerin: sweet! thank you for your help! |
| 05:51.33 | kooldeb | simonrvn: you dont have to be a total jerk about it |
| 05:51.53 | simonrvn | kooldeb: i have self-respect |
| 05:51.56 | jim | !xorg |
| 05:51.56 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages and the testing-proposed-updates infrastructure are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. See also: 'get xorg' |
| 05:52.05 | TwistedEmotions | Sinisterr: So how do I compile and run that sciprt? |
| 05:52.05 | jim | yep seems to work fine :P |
| 05:52.39 | kooldeb | simonrvn: and I would talk to you with respect if you have not used the dumbass word |
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| 05:53.06 | da_bon_bon | Guerin: ok |
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| 05:53.49 | da_bon_bon | caphuso: ok.. works for me too.. i was lagging |
| 05:53.51 | Sinisterr | TwistedEmotions: heck if i know i would think it to be just a shell script |
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| 05:54.18 | da_bon_bon | Guerin: u mean kde 3.4 and xorg aint stable ? |
| 05:54.21 | TwistedEmotions | Sinisterr: Thanks.. |
| 05:54.36 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: not by what debian means by stable, no. |
| 05:54.59 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: if you want up-to-date, use testing. |
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| 05:55.37 | jim | kooldeb: evidently it's you who have come to us... in any case priv messages is not normally how it works here (at least as I've seen it)... people stay here so they can benefit from whatever's going on |
| 05:55.44 | da_bon_bon | @tell da_bon_bon -about root |
| 05:56.01 | kooldeb | jim: stay out of this would you ? |
| 05:56.12 | Guerin | kooldeb: give over. You're in a public channel. |
| 05:56.13 | jim | kooldeb: probbly not :) |
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| 05:56.29 | kooldeb | jim : :) |
| 05:56.43 | da_bon_bon | Guerin: ohok... |
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| 05:56.53 | kooldeb | Guerin: I was asking a Q thats all , not here to argue. |
| 05:56.59 | Guerin | kooldeb: so stop. |
| 05:57.09 | jim | kooldeb: my bandwidth is affected by you... I see your comments, so you're damn well gonna see mine :PO |
| 05:57.22 | kooldeb | Guerin: will do. |
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| 05:58.01 | da_bon_bon | Guerin: so, whats the time gap for a software to be stable? and, i heard that debian has the latest and greatest in unstable -- xorg and kde is not even in unstable ? |
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| 05:58.46 | streuner | da_bon_bon: no bugs |
| 05:58.47 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: a lot of things have been on hold for the sarge release. Once the release is completed, those new shiny things will go into unstable, then eventually into testing, then eventually into stable. |
| 05:59.25 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: the lag from unstable -> testing is ~ 2 weeks, presuming no serious bugs; debian releases a new stable every few years. |
| 05:59.30 | da_bon_bon | Guerin: ok. so sarge was the thing that was keeping all developers busy ? |
| 05:59.32 | jim | kooldeb: not a problem :) you can always ask questions, that's one of the purposes of the channel |
| 05:59.36 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: pretty much. |
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| 05:59.58 | streuner | da_bon_bon: not all, but the most |
| 06:00.20 | furrywolf | but don't ask questions that make you sound like you're going to write yet another rootkit we have to deal with. :) |
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| 06:00.37 | jim | da_bon_bon: you mean other than their family, job, housekeeping, car maint and generally their life? no, sarge is the only thing that keeps them busy :) |
| 06:00.39 | EvanCarroll | Is there a way to tell what programs are being cached and what the status or breakdown, of the cache is? |
| 06:00.50 | streuner | Guerin: do you like the /topic ? ;-) |
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| 06:01.07 | drcoded | hi all |
| 06:01.15 | drcoded | any one can help me with openvpn? |
| 06:01.15 | Guerin | streuner: I'm backing up my production woody box to upgrade :) |
| 06:01.30 | drcoded | my problem is very simpare |
| 06:01.34 | TwistedEmotions | FUNK...After 30 minutes and asking and shit linux guy just told me were using clamav... |
| 06:01.36 | drcoded | simplae |
| 06:01.37 | streuner | Guerin: hehe |
| 06:01.39 | IDC | I added something in /etc/fstab,after a reboot,it auto mounted NTFS partition,but why as normal user cannot enter /mnt/winnt ? says permission denie |
| 06:01.53 | drcoded | I Want to route all the vpn into internet |
| 06:01.53 | jm_ | IDC: isn't that good enough reason? |
| 06:01.53 | jim | drcoded: hi, maybe someone can help, /msg dpkg sicco and then just ask |
| 06:02.00 | TwistedEmotions | But weeee they have documentation |
| 06:02.24 | drcoded | openvpn |
| 06:02.29 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: you need to hire a competent admin. |
| 06:02.35 | furrywolf | someone give idc the fat/winnt-accessable-by-user factoid... |
| 06:02.37 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: you SHOULD have known that. |
| 06:02.40 | jm_ | IDC: man mount, read about mount options for NTFS, especially the last paragraph |
| 06:02.41 | drcoded | well I want to route my vpn users into internet ? |
| 06:02.42 | Guerin | or been able to find it out |
| 06:02.43 | IDC | jm_, but i meant to access to the NTFS partition mounted in /mnt/Winnt as normal user,i mean with Read permission |
| 06:02.56 | IDC | here is mine " /dev/hda6 /mnt/Winnt ntfs ro,user,auto 0 0" |
| 06:03.08 | caphuso | god damnit |
| 06:03.09 | Guerin | IDC: man mount, look at uid, gid, umask and gmask |
| 06:03.12 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Here to learn linux ; ) trying to become competent.. |
| 06:03.15 | IDC | ok |
| 06:03.16 | da_bon_bon | damn, lagging :( |
| 06:03.28 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: how much does an admin like you earn, anyhow? |
| 06:03.40 | Guerin | I should be a damn sysadmin, some of the people I see in here... |
| 06:04.05 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: LoL... you're funny... I know windows not linux.. and I work for my friends dad... ;) Get paid like 12 a hour. |
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| 06:04.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:04.28 | Guerin | still at school? |
| 06:04.31 | furrywolf | I should be an admin... but I'd have to move, as there's no linux jobs around here. hell, there's no jobs at all... |
| 06:04.37 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, $12/hour ? |
| 06:05.00 | Sinisterr | TwistedEmotions: this one looks pritty good >>>> http://support.atmail.com/av.html |
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| 06:06.05 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Yeah... sad huh? But I dont have to go into work so it's cool... just VNC in for every problem.. and I'm a student so dont have time for all this normally |
| 06:06.58 | furrywolf | grr! I'm sick of people who don't seed torrents! It seems like at least 19 out of 20 people immediately exit (or otherwise stop) their clients as soon as their download finishes, without staying around to help others get it. Do they not realize the only reason they were able to download it is because other people seeded it, and by seeding it, they're in turn letting others get it? |
| 06:07.08 | simonrvn | vnc? oh, winbloze... yeh |
| 06:08.59 | Guerin | furrywolf: my biggest problem with seeding is actually cpu, would you believe... |
| 06:09.12 | da_bon_bon | ohok, Guerin, streuner |
| 06:09.20 | jm_ | Guerin__: CPU? wtf? |
| 06:09.26 | jm_ | ahh damn clones ;) |
| 06:09.28 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: Hehehe.... you should look @ my ratio ;) |
| 06:10.17 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, i was going to say that amount of payment is very good |
| 06:10.29 | IDC | by the way,does VNC support wireless ? |
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| 06:10.40 | furrywolf | guerin: mine is bandwidth... I always keep seeding if I'm the only seed and there's no distributed copies.... but this means I peg my bandwidth limit 24/7, while every single other person who gets a full copy vanishes, and then I feel bad when I decide I can't keep throwing bandwidth at it, and leave the torrent seedless and with no distributed copies. |
| 06:11.00 | TwistedEmotions | http://www.filelist.org/userdetails.php?id=195515 |
| 06:11.01 | da_bon_bon | jim: :) |
| 06:11.06 | TwistedEmotions | ^^^ weeeeee |
| 06:11.29 | furrywolf | twisted: that url appears to require a login. |
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| 06:11.47 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: Ohh... whoops... |
| 06:11.49 | TwistedEmotions | Didnt know.. |
| 06:12.21 | TwistedEmotions | 1.22TB's uploaded... 130ish Gig's Downloaded... ration is like 8 or something? |
| 06:12.35 | furrywolf | I only have 35kB/sec upstream... I can't be a major seed... and yet I always feel bad when I finally close a client and leave a torrent dead... |
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| 06:13.15 | tjoe | Hello |
| 06:13.17 | furrywolf | my ratio is around 5 or so... discovering super-seed mode has helped keep it down, as even though people still leave once they get a full copy, super-seed makes sure I only send data to those who let others get it. |
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| 06:13.41 | tjoe | can some one help me with my lan card issues |
| 06:13.43 | Guerin | jm_: yeah, big torrents pwn my cpu... it's a p3-733 and it does a lot of other stuff too... running two desktops, playing music and video, serving files... |
| 06:13.46 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: Dont feel bad... I setup a VPServer to take care of uploading for me... felt bad cause I didn't upload too hardcore.. |
| 06:13.47 | tjoe | wireless lan |
| 06:13.49 | jetscreamer | seed that pr0n! |
| 06:13.56 | Guerin | whereas my bandwidth is never in any danger of all being used |
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| 06:14.26 | furrywolf | I have to kill them eventually... if I give 5K/sec per torrent, I can't have more than 5 torrents at once, or I start lagging... |
| 06:14.43 | Guerin | furrywolf: sucks to be you. I have 100 megabit both ways :) |
| 06:15.03 | jm_ | Guerin: are you using bittornado or azureus? |
| 06:15.03 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Wow... Who did you sleep with that the phone company you ass? |
| 06:15.08 | furrywolf | so when I decide I want to download something, I pick whatever either is closer to having full copies of I've sent the highest ratio on and kill it... |
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| 06:15.16 | Guerin | jm_: bittornado... eew, java. |
| 06:15.33 | jm_ | Guerin: ever gave rtorrent a try? |
| 06:15.33 | jetscreamer | bittornado isn't java is it |
| 06:15.36 | furrywolf | azureus used ~35% cpu on my dual p3-866 to download 1 torrent. I decided it sucked. |
| 06:15.38 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:15.43 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: i live in a country with a late-20th century telecommunications infrastructure |
| 06:15.45 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 06:15.51 | Guerin | jm_: ah, I was going to ask you about that |
| 06:16.12 | Guerin | jm_: since you said it was easier on the cpu... I just couldn't remember the name |
| 06:16.14 | furrywolf | while 5 bittorandos is using abour 4% of the same box's cpu. |
| 06:16.35 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Japan? |
| 06:16.38 | TwistedEmotions | lol.. |
| 06:16.39 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: close. |
| 06:16.47 | Guerin | better, and newer :) |
| 06:16.50 | jm_ | Guerin: and on RAM too, but I suppose that's not a problem if you have a P3 |
| 06:17.02 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: .de? |
| 06:17.25 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: bah. apt-get install geoip-tools |
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| 06:17.34 | jetscreamer | mash |
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| 06:17.40 | bucky | one of my best friends was an adopted korean american... he was a marine and a crazy bastard |
| 06:17.43 | lexxan | How can I purge all residual packages in console? |
| 06:17.52 | jetscreamer | dselect |
| 06:17.57 | Guerin | lexxan: define residual |
| 06:18.03 | polok | is there a console stopwatch program? |
| 06:18.04 | lexxan | the ones with status "rc" |
| 06:18.06 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: what's the fun in that.. I was playing a guessing game... |
| 06:18.12 | lexxan | I just wanna toast all the crap they left over |
| 06:18.26 | caphuso | lexxan: /msg dpkg purge them all |
| 06:18.27 | jetscreamer | dselect |
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| 06:18.46 | smhar | sage if frozen |
| 06:18.50 | Guerin | lexxan: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |awk '/^rc/ {print $2}'|xargs dpkg -P |
| 06:19.02 | caphuso | smhar: it is? then we should probably put that information in the /topic |
| 06:19.10 | kevinv | Just installed kernel 2.8.*!!! |
| 06:19.11 | simonrvn | no, really? |
| 06:19.13 | kevinv | boy it's great! |
| 06:19.21 | Guerin | kevinv: 2.8? |
| 06:19.22 | kevinv | I was previous using 2.4.18 |
| 06:19.22 | simonrvn | "... SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up..." |
| 06:19.24 | jetscreamer | you can purge everything that's not installed, but has leftover .conf files, with like 5 keystrokes or so |
| 06:19.42 | kevinv | It's in the testing packages archive. |
| 06:19.51 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: DACOM, Internet Service Provider, Seoul, Korea ;) Weeeee |
| 06:19.53 | Guerin | i don't believe it is |
| 06:19.58 | kevinv | Everything is so much smoother. |
| 06:20.02 | simonrvn | i'd topicsmite, but i don't want to bother |
| 06:20.04 | lexxan | jetscreamer, in dselect? |
| 06:20.08 | caphuso | Guerin: must be the twilight zone mirror |
| 06:20.08 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:20.10 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: actually, I'm served from Daejeon, but that's how it is :) |
| 06:20.18 | smhar | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html |
| 06:20.20 | jetscreamer | highlight the uninstalled header, hit _ |
| 06:20.39 | Guerin | smhar: NO SHIT |
| 06:20.55 | simonrvn | 2.8.x kernel? wow, what time zone are you from? 2015? |
| 06:20.57 | Guerin | OMFG, maybe I should start upgrading my box... oh wait, I started HOURS AGO |
| 06:20.58 | caphuso | keep it. value it. make good use of it |
| 06:21.11 | kevinv | nope -600 |
| 06:21.16 | simonrvn | @topicsmite smhar |
| 06:21.18 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: good deal I like korean movies... U ever seen my sassy girl or uhh... Steamroom? Or something like that? Bathhouse? |
| 06:21.18 | ravenbird | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon smhar. And all the people marvelled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:21.26 | kevinv | maybe it was 2.6.* |
| 06:21.37 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 06:21.37 | kevinv | i forgot, i was so excited. |
| 06:21.46 | kevinv | I'll check, brb |
| 06:21.47 | jetscreamer | .* eh |
| 06:21.54 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: ironically, you probably have more opportunity to see korean movies than I do... when they're played here, we don't get english subtitles. |
| 06:22.09 | smhar | simonrvn, ravenbird , you are welcomed :-) |
| 06:22.11 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Your american? |
| 06:22.18 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: I saw a few before I left, but I can count on one hand the number of local flicks I've seen since getting here. |
| 06:22.27 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: I don't have an american. |
| 06:22.39 | jetscreamer | !guerin++ |
| 06:23.00 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Heh? So what race are you? |
| 06:23.05 | Guerin | human |
| 06:23.11 | simonrvn | "race"? WTF |
| 06:23.18 | jetscreamer | i see somebody didn't get it |
| 06:23.22 | kevinv | 2.6.8 |
| 06:23.28 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Wouldn't that be your species? |
| 06:23.29 | jetscreamer | yeah it's a comon word |
| 06:23.30 | kevinv | must of got the 6 and 8 mixed up |
| 06:23.34 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 06:23.37 | jetscreamer | must of |
| 06:23.40 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: no, my species is homo sapiens |
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| 06:23.47 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 06:23.48 | simonrvn | 'must have' |
| 06:23.52 | Guerin | or homo sapiens sapiens to be more specific |
| 06:23.54 | kevinv | btw is an AMD K6/2 consitered a i686 |
| 06:23.58 | jetscreamer | no |
| 06:23.59 | simonrvn | "must've" |
| 06:24.02 | jetscreamer | 386 |
| 06:24.05 | kevinv | damn |
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| 06:24.08 | Guerin | kevinv: use 386 |
| 06:24.10 | jetscreamer | err use the -386 kernel |
| 06:24.13 | simonrvn | it's a 68040 |
| 06:24.18 | kevinv | lucky I didn't use it then |
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| 06:24.21 | Sepanthor | I have a question.. wich channel would be best to talk about SQL strings for MySQL? |
| 06:24.28 | kevinv | would've caused problems |
| 06:24.30 | Guerin | #mysql? |
| 06:24.36 | jetscreamer | #mysql would be lousy for that |
| 06:24.36 | kevinv | i used i386 just in case. |
| 06:24.36 | simonrvn | Sepanthor: #mysql. amazing, innit? |
| 06:24.37 | Sepanthor | thank! |
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| 06:24.42 | Ciprian | join #flood |
| 06:24.43 | Sepanthor | +s |
| 06:24.44 | kevinv | isn't there an i586 for it? |
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| 06:25.17 | jetscreamer | there's an optimization, there's not it's own kernel-image (iirc i could be blowing smoke out my ass though) |
| 06:25.31 | jetscreamer | compile one |
| 06:25.42 | jetscreamer | expect it to take a while |
| 06:25.52 | llama32 | whats a good channel to ask about game programming stuff (not language specific) |
| 06:26.22 | bucky | Sepanthor, this might be good http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/index.html |
| 06:26.30 | jetscreamer | no that would suck |
| 06:26.50 | jetscreamer | bah humbug |
| 06:26.55 | simonrvn | t2j4 pç9 |
| 06:27.09 | Sepanthor | I've got a problem with a process i need to write bucky.. so i know already allot about SQL strings... only not about processes :-S |
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| 06:27.47 | simonrvn | quite the feat, blowing smoke out of one's ass. how do you do it, jetscreamer? ;p |
| 06:28.14 | jetscreamer | hold my nose plug my ears and blow really really hard |
| 06:28.16 | Guerin | it's all about getting the smoke in there itfp |
| 06:28.17 | simonrvn | smoke bomb? |
| 06:28.24 | Guerin | once that's done it's a piece of cake |
| 06:28.36 | jetscreamer | after i take a big drag off a smoke |
| 06:28.46 | simonrvn | aah, makes sense ;p |
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| 06:29.00 | spo0nman | [offtopic] sunnyvale sucks |
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| 06:29.37 | Crasp | hmm i need #debian irclogs in a logrotate :) |
| 06:30.04 | simonrvn | no kidding. /me points at irssi's for an instance |
| 06:30.20 | Crasp | oh |
| 06:30.26 | Crasp | does it have it's own logrotate? |
| 06:30.38 | rectum | i have a bad block or something. I umounted /dev/hdb2 and i run fsck /dev/hdb but it gives me an error that no ext2 superblock was found. the man page says its for ext2 fs but i have my drive as ext3 |
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| 06:30.40 | simonrvn | it does log rotation... |
| 06:30.47 | rectum | any help on the subject guys |
| 06:30.52 | Crasp | hmm not for me |
| 06:30.57 | Crasp | can't find an option for that either |
| 06:31.09 | simonrvn | it's a script |
| 06:31.12 | Crasp | ah :) |
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| 06:31.31 | simonrvn | logcompress.pl |
| 06:32.08 | foreyez | anyone know how i can run "id -u" in perl and put the result into a variable? |
| 06:32.14 | simonrvn | it does all that close log, mv log away, compress, touch new log, open log shit |
| 06:32.23 | Crasp | foreyez: system('id -u'); |
| 06:32.28 | rectum | how do i check for bad blocks/sectors on an ext3 parition |
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| 06:32.34 | foreyez | crasp, tnx |
| 06:32.37 | Crasp | rectum: fsck.ext3 |
| 06:32.47 | TwistedEmotions | how do I edit apt-get's source files again? |
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| 06:33.01 | Crasp | TwistedEmotions: <editor> /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:33.02 | jetscreamer | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:33.04 | simonrvn | foreyez: use perl builtins or modules. try to avoid system(), ask in #perl |
| 06:33.08 | rectum | argh |
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| 06:33.47 | TwistedEmotions | thanks ;) |
| 06:34.48 | jm_ | rectum: badblocks |
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| 06:34.51 | caphuso | foreyez: use $< |
| 06:35.13 | rectum | i have done umount -a and mount -l does not display the /hdb1 being mounted, although hdb2 is the swap, i says i shouldn't run fsck on a mounted drive |
| 06:35.20 | nevyn | rectum: because /dev/hdb isn't a filesystem it's a disk |
| 06:35.32 | rectum | yes i know |
| 06:35.43 | rectum | i ran it on hdb2, i shouldve said that, sorry |
| 06:35.51 | rectum | i mean 1, not 2 |
| 06:36.02 | nevyn | you can't fsck the root filesystem live. |
| 06:36.12 | nevyn | you can't do most disk maintainance live. |
| 06:36.26 | rectum | 2 = swap. since swap is mounted, and hdb1 is mounted as /home/hash/media/ and i have umounted that parition |
| 06:36.30 | rectum | its not root fs |
| 06:36.37 | rectum | root fs and other stuff is on hda1/2 |
| 06:36.40 | Crasp | waht does it tell you? |
| 06:36.46 | nevyn | so hda2 has problems? or ? |
| 06:36.48 | Crasp | that the system is marked clean? |
| 06:36.55 | rectum | mount -l = no hdb1 mounted |
| 06:37.27 | rectum | hdb2 is swap and its fine, hda1/2 are fine, hdb1 has problems, its unmounted, should go ahead and scan it |
| 06:37.30 | rectum | ? |
| 06:37.38 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:37.43 | rectum | ok then |
| 06:37.47 | Guerin | man, deleting a bunch of little files in ext3 takes fucking ages |
| 06:37.58 | nevyn | Guerin: xfs is worse. |
| 06:38.10 | rectum | it says couldn't find superblock on hdb1 |
| 06:38.12 | Guerin | nevyn: oh, really? I found it deleted much faster... |
| 06:38.21 | Guerin | maybe just for big files? |
| 06:38.24 | Crasp | rectum: if you want to check for badblocks be sure to use the -c |
| 06:38.31 | Crasp | rectum: and you probably need -f as well |
| 06:38.46 | rectum | fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hdb1 |
| 06:38.51 | rectum | that i get no matter what switches i use |
| 06:38.52 | lexxan | If i network installed sarge today.. would that be rc3? |
| 06:38.57 | Crasp | rectum: so it's broken |
| 06:38.59 | simonrvn | sounds like your SB might be fucked |
| 06:39.06 | simonrvn | lexxan: yes |
| 06:39.12 | caphuso | lexxan: rc3 is only the version of the installer |
| 06:39.12 | rectum | i can read most files from the drive |
| 06:39.23 | lexxan | I used floppies |
| 06:39.24 | simonrvn | "most"? |
| 06:39.28 | rectum | yes |
| 06:39.37 | rectum | if i mount it, i can pretty much listen to all my music |
| 06:40.07 | TwistedEmotions | What is that command... !twistedemotions sarge |
| 06:40.10 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 06:40.14 | TwistedEmotions | !twistedemotions sarge |
| 06:40.25 | TwistedEmotions | !sarge twistedemotions |
| 06:40.27 | directhex | !freeze TwistedEmotions |
| 06:40.52 | TwistedEmotions | why didnt sarge work? |
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| 06:40.59 | simonrvn | ironic, soon after that particular factoid was made, it *did* freeze... |
| 06:41.03 | jetscreamer | there is no sarge |
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| 06:41.29 | TwistedEmotions | the one that tell you what to edit in Source file to update to sarge.. |
| 06:41.31 | jetscreamer | check_regian is deprecated |
| 06:41.42 | jetscreamer | check_region even |
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| 06:42.42 | lexxan | What is the latest version of gnome that is packaged? |
| 06:42.51 | jetscreamer | in what |
| 06:42.55 | lexxan | sarge |
| 06:43.03 | lexxan | I'm thinking about tossing ubuntu :P |
| 06:43.21 | nevyn | 2.8 |
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| 06:43.30 | tarzeau | lexxan: smart idea |
| 06:43.32 | lexxan | hm ok. |
| 06:43.48 | tarzeau | lexxan: packages.debian.org/gnome |
| 06:44.10 | jetscreamer | gnome died |
| 06:44.29 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: alot of gnomes die. everyday, in #nethack |
| 06:44.42 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: by falling into traps, or murdered by heros |
| 06:44.46 | directhex | !tell TwistedEmotions about wody->sarge |
| 06:44.47 | jetscreamer | i beat all of nethack |
| 06:44.51 | directhex | !tell TwistedEmotions about woody->sarge |
| 06:45.05 | jetscreamer | the boss at the end was easy |
| 06:45.09 | TwistedEmotions | directhex: Thanks |
| 06:45.12 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: yendor? |
| 06:45.20 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: so you ascended? |
| 06:45.28 | jetscreamer | no i lied |
| 06:45.50 | Guerin | jm_: grrr, no debian packages |
| 06:46.59 | lexxan | k one more question.. sarge come with 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:47.07 | jm_ | Guerin: it's indeed not packaged |
| 06:47.15 | tarzeau | lexxan: yes |
| 06:47.22 | simonrvn | read the fucking FAQ already |
| 06:47.23 | lexxan | right on |
| 06:47.33 | jetscreamer | not by default, you have to tell it linux26 or expert26 when you boot the installer |
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| 06:48.04 | tarzeau | directhex: there's saddles and dragons you can ride. and if you polymorph in a dragon you can spit fire rays! |
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| 06:48.22 | _zao_ | how do i get to know _why_ a package is kept back? |
| 06:48.30 | Guerin | jm_: don't suppose you packaged it? |
| 06:48.33 | directhex | tarzeau, but no flak cannon or small hovercraft with spinny blades of death? |
| 06:48.33 | tarzeau | _zao_: one that you maintain? |
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| 06:48.46 | tarzeau | directhex: you've ever seen nethack? |
| 06:48.47 | _zao_ | tarzeau: no |
| 06:48.52 | _zao_ | i mean in my local installation |
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| 06:48.58 | _zao_ | i have Installed: 4.34-4amwoody2 |
| 06:48.58 | _zao_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.06 | directhex | _zao_, use dist-upgrade not upgrade |
| 06:49.06 | _zao_ | but the backport isnt installed on upgrade |
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| 06:49.16 | tarzeau | _zao_: that's not an official debian package |
| 06:49.19 | directhex | tarzeau, is that a no then? laaaaaaaaaaaaame |
| 06:49.24 | tarzeau | _zao_: ask the backports.org people |
| 06:49.31 | tarzeau | directhex: you have no idea! |
| 06:49.38 | tarzeau | directhex: first look at it then talk |
| 06:49.44 | _zao_ | directhex: great, that does work. |
| 06:49.47 | _zao_ | but why? |
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| 06:49.49 | jm_ | Guerin: nope, I just built it statically - it's a bit more complicated now because there's a library and the client you need - it was all in one package previously |
| 06:49.59 | Guerin | ah |
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| 06:50.24 | macbobby | good morning. is there anybody who could tell me how to reimplement my active winodws zu the control-line at the bottom of my desktop? i deleted it yesterday |
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| 06:50.46 | jetscreamer | right click? |
| 06:50.55 | macbobby | and which program is it? |
| 06:51.08 | jetscreamer | gnome? kde? |
| 06:51.11 | macbobby | kde |
| 06:51.26 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 06:51.36 | tarzeau | is this DFSG ok: Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute this Guide and its accompanying documentation for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted in perpetuity, provided that the above copyright notice and this paragraph appear in all copies. |
| 06:51.44 | tarzeau | macbobby: #debian-kde |
| 06:52.00 | directhex | _zao_, upgrade doesn't install new dependancies, dist-upgrade does |
| 06:52.09 | macbobby | tarzeau: danke |
| 06:52.13 | macbobby | thanx |
| 06:52.18 | Ciuchino | hi all! someone knows if is possible change blootbot's charset? I would like to set in utf-8 |
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| 06:52.30 | Guerin | tarzeau: yes. |
| 06:52.32 | tarzeau | Ciuchino: not in, to |
| 06:52.40 | tarzeau | Guerin: thanks |
| 06:52.45 | Ciuchino | tarzeau, sorry for my english |
| 06:52.48 | Guerin | tarzeau: it's basically the Stallman Disclaimer |
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| 06:54.02 | Guerin | Ciuchino: don't believe it's possible. |
| 06:55.02 | Ciuchino | Guerin, thanks |
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| 06:56.00 | Guerin | Ciuchino: i think the devs are hacking on it to make it unicodeworthy, and add pgsql support which works, and other things. |
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| 06:57.21 | Ciuchino | Guerin, ok |
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| 07:02.59 | Worm666 | msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 07:05.37 | Worm666 | Can anybody help to install Debian on PC, that contains 1 IDE HDD for system, and 2 HDD SCSI with RAID ? |
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| 07:05.56 | TinoW | *hmpf* there is a dmx-tools package and it is for the moving lights and not dmx, the x11 extension... ;( |
| 07:06.05 | TinoW | confusing... |
| 07:06.15 | TinoW | WoodsDog: sure. why not? |
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| 07:06.42 | TinoW | WoodsDog: what kind of RAID is it? |
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| 07:06.57 | Worm666 | Hardware. |
| 07:06.59 | Rayen | Hi, could somebody explain me how to install X with apt-build ? |
| 07:07.14 | Guerin | don't |
| 07:07.16 | TinoW | WoodsDog: err. what is the name and model of the raid adaptor |
| 07:07.17 | TinoW | ? |
| 07:07.24 | Guerin | Rayen: you don't need to. |
| 07:07.38 | Rayen | Guerin, but I want too |
| 07:07.54 | Worm666 | Sorry, i go to look for that... Please wait few seconds... |
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| 07:08.02 | Guerin | Rayen: then you're bound to be able to read 'man apt-build' |
| 07:08.08 | R1ck | hmm does anybody know why I can't run mozilla-thunderbird anymore after doing a apt-get upgrade yesterday? |
| 07:08.25 | TinoW | R1ck: what happens if you run it on command line? |
| 07:08.32 | Guerin | R1ck: try running it in a shell and look at the errors |
| 07:08.35 | R1ck | selected locale: en-US |
| 07:08.36 | R1ck | DOUBLE-CLICK: 250 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 |
| 07:08.40 | R1ck | that's all it says |
| 07:08.49 | Rayen | Guerin, so there isn't an easy way to compile X with apt-build ? |
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| 07:08.53 | Guerin | R1ck: failing that, move your .mozilla/thunderbird dir out of the way |
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| 07:09.04 | R1ck | hrrm |
| 07:09.11 | Guerin | Rayen: there's an easy way to compile ANYTHING with apt-build |
| 07:09.23 | Guerin | Rayen: it's the same for any package or packages |
| 07:09.24 | R1ck | (it won't return to command prompt either, it just waits) |
| 07:09.32 | TinoW | R1ck: sometimes now versions screw up with extensions you already installed |
| 07:09.38 | TinoW | new |
| 07:09.50 | Xsquared | hi im trying to install libc-client2002edebian for installing webmail with horde. i am getting the question "Libc-client earlier than version 2002d (and development versions of 2003) included an unofficial and no longer maintained patch to support Maildirs." Do i say yes or no for Continue installing libc-client without Maildir support? i do use maildirs. Isn't that the default now? |
| 07:09.56 | shaym | sarge is annouced for may 30 |
| 07:10.05 | Guerin | shaym: WE KNOW |
| 07:10.06 | shaym | i'm under testing now |
| 07:10.12 | R1ck | when I move the directory, the DOUBLE-CLICK: 250 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 message disappears but it still won't start up :| |
| 07:10.12 | TinoW | R1ck: if you really want to find out, try strace :) |
| 07:10.19 | shaym | shoudl i replace testing by sarge ? |
| 07:10.21 | R1ck | hmm |
| 07:10.33 | Guerin | Xsquared: debian package? |
| 07:10.36 | michael__ | shaym: Sarge was announced for September last year, ... so don't get too anxious yet. |
| 07:10.40 | R1ck | DOUBLE-CLICK: 250 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 *** loading the extensions datasource |
| 07:10.44 | Xsquared | Guerin: yes |
| 07:10.44 | R1ck | interesting |
| 07:10.49 | Guerin | Xsquared: what distro? |
| 07:10.53 | R1ck | (thats strace) |
| 07:11.03 | Xsquared | Guerin: debian sarge |
| 07:11.05 | TinoW | R1ck: I bet the mozilla project would appreciate any help there :) |
| 07:11.06 | shaym | should i put sarge into my apt-sources ? |
| 07:11.07 | R1ck | how do I get rid of installed extensions? |
| 07:11.11 | shaym | instead of testing ? |
| 07:11.11 | Rayen | Guerin, so what I need to do is : 1. download the sources 2. build the package 3. install it ? |
| 07:11.11 | Guerin | Xsquared: weird. Check BTS. |
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| 07:11.20 | Guerin | Xsquared: are you just upgrading now? |
| 07:11.21 | Xsquared | Guerin: BTS? |
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| 07:11.38 | Guerin | Rayen: no, you need to figure out how apt-build works, by reading thedocumentation. |
| 07:11.42 | Guerin | !bts |
| 07:11.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 07:12.08 | Xsquared | Guerin: no, i want to install imp4 |
| 07:12.08 | Xsquared | Guerin: i see |
| 07:12.10 | Crasp | does anybody know if webalizer keeps track of logrotation? |
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| 07:12.29 | caphuso | Crasp: yes |
| 07:12.54 | Crasp | caphuso: ehm, you know if it does or doesn't or are you telling me it does? :) |
| 07:13.10 | caphuso | Crasp: yes. and read the man page |
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| 07:13.41 | Crasp | caphuso: i found something about history and current, but not really anything about logrotation (yet) |
| 07:13.53 | Crasp | i'll read a bit better now ;) |
| 07:13.54 | caphuso | Crasp: what version of webalizer? |
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| 07:14.20 | Crasp | ii webalizer 2.01.10-26 |
| 07:14.26 | ricochet | anyone around to help me figure out why my nameserver resolver is slow? The machine works fine with windows, it works fine when I'm not at this location, but at this location it always says "looking for domain.com" for a good 5 seconds, and seems like it doesnt cache it, cause 2 minutes later, its looking it up again. any ideas what my problem might be? |
| 07:14.30 | Rayen | Guerin, i was also wondering if these optimizations are correct (located in: /etc/apt/apt-build.conf): build-dir = /var/cache/apt-build/build repository-dir = /var/cache/apt-build/repository Olevel = -O3 march = -march=pentium4 mcpu = -mcpu=pentium4 options = ? |
| 07:14.38 | Xsquared | Guerin: WTF? No maintainer for libc-client. Please do not report new bugs against this package. |
| 07:15.07 | caphuso | Crasp: that's funny. searching the man page for the simple and obvious word "rot" leads directly to the right paragraph |
| 07:15.07 | KursK | hi, I got woody with samba from backports.org both on server and on client, when I look at a share with smbclient, all files > 2 gigs have correct size, but when I mount the share (-7 smbfs) they have a size of some exabytes...what's wrong? |
| 07:15.09 | R1ck | damn this sucks |
| 07:15.21 | Crasp | caphuso: well i didn't do that yet ;) |
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| 07:15.32 | Guerin | Xsquared: wow, badness. |
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| 07:15.40 | caphuso | Crasp: now move your lazy ass away and go read the docs |
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| 07:15.47 | Crasp | yeahyeah ;) |
| 07:15.47 | Xsquared | Guerin: so. what do you think i should do? |
| 07:15.48 | Guerin | Xsquared: beats me; ask on debian-user or debian-devel mailing list |
| 07:15.50 | ulrich_ | hi! |
| 07:16.12 | Gnea | ok |
| 07:16.13 | Guerin | Xsquared: well, it sounds like the sort of thing which might break your mail if you do upgrade... so I'd leave it. |
| 07:16.15 | Xsquared | Guerin: should i take a chance and say have support for maildirs? |
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| 07:16.25 | Xsquared | ok |
| 07:16.28 | Crasp | they should make something like that for awstats as well |
| 07:16.29 | Gnea | does anyone know why lftp isn't in sarge/frozen anymore? |
| 07:16.32 | Guerin | Xsquared: depends how much you love your mail, and how good your backups are. |
| 07:16.59 | Guerin | !why is lftp not in testing |
| 07:16.59 | dpkg | lftp is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=lftp |
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| 07:17.07 | Xsquared | Guerin: ok, how do you get out of that screen? |
| 07:17.08 | Gnea | thank you |
| 07:17.33 | Xsquared | Guerin: the blue screen where you choose the options.. Ctrl + C aint killing it |
| 07:17.45 | Guerin | Xsquared: there will be a safe way out... like selecting 'no' or something |
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| 07:18.09 | Worm666 | ADAPTEC SATA Raid ... |
| 07:18.13 | ulrich_ | I'm looking for a tarball of a basic system, where could I find such a thing? |
| 07:18.15 | Xsquared | Guerin: i'll paste it in flood and you can read the thing |
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| 07:18.42 | Guerin | Xsquared: I'm not in #flood. |
| 07:18.59 | Guerin | ulrich_: i don't know if there is such a thing. |
| 07:19.02 | Xsquared | can you join flood for a sec? |
| 07:19.12 | Guerin | ulrich_: you can use debootstrap, though |
| 07:19.27 | Guerin | grrr |
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| 07:20.16 | EvanCarroll | VMWare5 is so nice, between that and trial versions of windows server I'm set |
| 07:20.38 | Gnea | whoa |
| 07:20.44 | TinoW | WoodsDog: SATA is not SCSI |
| 07:20.54 | Gnea | US DOD is looking for a Linux solution |
| 07:21.10 | Gnea | http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/5/3/205 |
| 07:21.12 | Guerin | Gnea: but teh lunix is commiez!!! |
| 07:21.22 | TinoW | WoodsDog: which version of debian are you going to install? Workstation or Server? |
| 07:21.26 | EvanCarroll | good point Guerin |
| 07:21.38 | Gnea | heh |
| 07:21.42 | Worm666 | It is so one - it uses SATA disks |
| 07:22.01 | Gnea | Worm666: wrong. |
| 07:22.02 | Guerin | EvanCarroll: well, that's the best excuse most highly-paid consultants seem able to come up with... |
| 07:22.11 | Gnea | Worm666: it uses SCSI *emulation* |
| 07:22.16 | TinoW | WoodsDog: of course does a SATA raid adaptor use SATA disks ;) |
| 07:22.33 | Worm666 | What now ? |
| 07:22.36 | Gnea | Worm666: just like 2.4 kernels use SCSI *emulation* on *IDE* CDRW drives |
| 07:22.37 | caphuso | Gnea: don't be stupid |
| 07:22.49 | ulrich_ | Guerin, thanks, debootstrap is pretty much what I'm looking for. |
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| 07:22.50 | EvanCarroll | Guerin: consultant is another term for unemployeed |
| 07:22.53 | Gnea | caphuso: dont' be dumb |
| 07:23.00 | TinoW | Worm666: tell me what do you want to install, what did you try so far and where did you fail? |
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| 07:23.18 | caphuso | Gnea: the US DoD is certainly not going to gather help by telling someone to use his comcast account to ask on LKML |
| 07:23.28 | Guerin | ulrich_: nice. |
| 07:23.44 | caphuso | and they're also not going to employ people doing such things |
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| 07:24.00 | Gnea | oh you shallow idiots |
| 07:24.21 | Worm666 | Only want to install linux to save money for my company, and also to override the stupid MS 10 users limit... |
| 07:24.33 | TinoW | WoodsDog: and why dont you just do it? |
| 07:25.19 | EvanCarroll | I'm wondering if in that EULA i keep accepting if it makes any mention about using the trial version of microsoft products 10309 times |
| 07:25.23 | Gnea | oh wait, did that email have a full header attached or is it really just a face-value that's gonna get turned down |
| 07:25.42 | Gnea | caphuso: thank you, you have one more strike left. |
| 07:26.02 | Gnea | but i need sleep |
| 07:26.03 | Gnea | :) |
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| 07:26.06 | Crasp | caphuso: well the manual is a bit vague on the logrotate part, what i really wanted to know is.. can i create stats from a .log file that is already gzipped by logrotated, while it still needs processing by webalizer |
| 07:26.19 | Worm666 | Beginner in linux ... But with some expirience about SAMBA, that will cover my needs about network storage... |
| 07:26.50 | Crasp | caphuso: but i'll ask it in #webalizer instead ;) |
| 07:27.08 | Crasp | hmm nobody there except chanserv :) |
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| 07:29.50 | qwertz_ | Hi! I've a tab separated text file where I'd like to grep for some lines, I'd like to have all lines that have "\t25\t" for instance but grep seems not to support this kind of notation - any hints? |
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| 07:29.56 | streuner_ | Crasp: try 'awstats' |
| 07:29.57 | shaym_ | hello |
| 07:30.12 | Guerin | qwertz_: grep most certainly does |
| 07:30.13 | Crasp | streuner_: i already have awstats running |
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| 07:30.22 | Worm666 | Should i install linux first to the ide hdd, and after this recognize and setup the raid ? |
| 07:30.28 | streuner_ | Crasp: What's wrong with awstats? |
| 07:30.31 | Crasp | streuner_: i need webalizer cause some customers want webalizer instead of awstats :) |
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| 07:30.39 | streuner_ | ic |
| 07:30.40 | Crasp | streuner_: don't ask me.. i'm just doing my job |
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| 07:31.44 | streuner_ | Crasp: what's about groups.google.com - no useful infos there? |
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| 07:32.21 | Worm666 | My problem is, that the target pc is on-line, and i should do this in weekend. And also transfer a few gigs of data... |
| 07:32.25 | Crasp | streuner_: well i think i'm just gonna do it like i do with awstats |
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| 07:32.39 | Crasp | streuner_: add a script to run in the logrotate before a log gets rotated |
| 07:33.09 | TinoW | Worm666: yes, installing it on the IDE disk is probably the easiest way to do it. What should the box do after install? |
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| 07:33.51 | streuner_ | Crasp: i dunno how awstats that realize, but you know you can show every month in awstats... |
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| 07:34.05 | Worm666 | It should only host shared directory on the RAID for safety for data. |
| 07:34.08 | TinoW | Worm666: you should always do an external backup. Maybe you can hook another harddisk into it and write all the data there, then remove it during install? |
| 07:34.38 | Worm666 | Sure... |
| 07:34.46 | streuner_ | Crasp: and awstats uses, of course, apache logs as well... |
| 07:34.59 | TinoW | Worm666: try to be more precise. When I ask you what the box should do I want to know what kind of work somebody should be able to do with the help of this box |
| 07:35.22 | Crasp | streuner_: yeah, awstats said to update stats in logrotated script of apache in the prerotate part, so i'll just do the same thing with webalizer |
| 07:35.43 | qwertz_ | tried - grep "\t25\t" data.txt - but grep won't provide any lines (looked at the data with hex editor the columns are separated with 09 should be tab) |
| 07:35.53 | lexxan | Is the nvidia driver in testing still messed up? |
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| 07:36.28 | TinoW | Worm666: for example if you are telling "I want it to be a internet/fileserver only" - most people here would recommend the stable version of debian. If you say: "It should be (personal) workstation for this and that task" - the testing release could be more easy to install |
| 07:36.37 | Crasp | streuner_: that way you can be sure that no hits or whatsoever are lost, instead of cronjobbing it a few minutes before a rotation which could cause some nasty problems |
| 07:36.40 | Crasp | streuner_: or bad results |
| 07:36.47 | qwertz_ | Guerin, tried - grep "\t25\t" data.txt - but grep won't provide any lines (looked at the data with hex editor the columns are separated with 09 should be tab) |
| 07:36.56 | Worm666 | O.K. The shared dir should store data, which are produced with one of our programs. It should be a FILESERVER. |
| 07:37.16 | Crasp | god, google groups didn't really improve on their new layout :/ |
| 07:37.48 | TinoW | Worm666: the whole box should be a fileserver, no other tasks? Nobody working directly on it? And fileserver for what kind of systems? Windows boxes? Which version of windows if? |
| 07:38.43 | Worm666 | Yes, only FILESERVER, no other role. The clients are MS XP Pro. |
| 07:39.45 | Guerin | qwertz_: egrep supports perl regexp |
| 07:39.53 | Guerin | qwertz_: grep -Pe |
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| 07:40.25 | Guerin | Worm666: sarge |
| 07:40.34 | Worm666 | ??? |
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| 07:42.01 | streuner__ | Crasp: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/webalizer/ |
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| 07:42.21 | polok | how do I split strings using shell scripting? |
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| 07:42.55 | Guerin | polok: #bash |
| 07:43.07 | Guerin | Worm666: ??? |
| 07:43.25 | torc | if i create a large bind9 $GENERATE set how do i create a specific A entry there? should i break the $GENERATE set in 2 or just add an A after it? |
| 07:43.27 | polok | Guerin: yeah |
| 07:43.45 | Worm666 | Can i recognize and set-up the raid, after installing linux on the ide hdd ? That is the only one question... |
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| 07:45.37 | IDC | hi people,good afternoon |
| 07:45.58 | IDC | from a debian woody 3.0r0 install CD,is there a way by pressing F3 key to get into the bf2.4 install mode ? |
| 07:46.58 | IDC | I didn't know that |
| 07:47.03 | Worm666 | O.K. guys. Thank's for Your time. I must leave... "Type" You next time... |
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| 07:47.24 | caphuso | IDC: you don't need F3 |
| 07:47.39 | caphuso | simply boot with the bf24 option |
| 07:47.42 | Guerin___ | pwn3d! |
| 07:48.00 | tarzeau | heh http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=148268&cid=12426932 |
| 07:48.21 | IDC | caphuso, how ? |
| 07:48.21 | IDC | i mean,maybe thats why everytime i install from the CD but still got no sound support in kernel |
| 07:48.21 | IDC | i alwayd do the default install |
| 07:48.25 | IDC | always* |
| 07:48.36 | caphuso | IDC: uh, by typing it in |
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| 07:48.50 | caphuso | how else would you do it, yell really loud at your computer? |
| 07:49.12 | IDC | I will remember that.thanks |
| 07:49.18 | caphuso | and this is explained in the installation manual |
| 07:49.28 | IDC | ok |
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| 07:50.17 | mithro | why don't i have "man 2 recv"? i can't seem to figure out where all the libc man page documentation has gone |
| 07:50.25 | caphuso | mithro: install manpages-dev |
| 07:52.23 | mithro | thank you |
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| 07:52.28 | TinoW | Guerin: it is so hard to help when people dont manage to tell what they want ;) |
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| 07:53.25 | Guerin | this is getting old |
| 07:53.29 | Guerin | is it just me getting booted, or is is some sort of splittage? |
| 07:53.44 | streuner__ | no splittage |
| 07:53.48 | badblody | whats the commando to know whats the current resolution of the X server ? |
| 07:53.57 | Guerin | badblody: xdpyinfo |
| 07:53.59 | caphuso | badblody: xdpyinfo |
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| 07:54.41 | tarzeau | xvidtune shows it too |
| 07:54.48 | badblody | thx |
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| 07:55.07 | rectum | i'm back, i ran badblocks /dev/hdb2 and around towards the end of the blocks it hangs and start repeating that can't read for this block. how does one fix/not use bad sectors on the disk |
| 07:55.18 | caphuso | rectum: buy a new disk |
| 07:55.22 | lexxan | FUCKKKK!!!!! i just partitioned and forgot my porn!!!!! |
| 07:55.24 | rectum | i have no money |
| 07:55.31 | rectum | is there no way to mark the bad sector and not use it |
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| 07:55.36 | caphuso | rectum: you don't really have a choice |
| 07:55.46 | caphuso | if bad blocks start to show up, you're doomed |
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| 07:56.03 | nottu | hello, i get this error when i connect to the courier imap server, May 4 10:53:42 server imaplogin: authdaemon: REJECT anyone can tell me what can i do ? |
| 07:56.12 | rectum | so you are telling me linux is almost all powerful yet it cannot mark bad sectors like microsft scandisk can |
| 07:56.18 | rectum | i find that hard to believe |
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| 07:56.25 | caphuso | rectum: sure you can. it just doesn't help |
| 07:56.27 | qwertz_ | Guerin, thanks will have a look |
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| 07:56.33 | rectum | it doesn't? how so |
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| 07:57.01 | R1ck | rectum: bad sectors are like a disease.. they spread |
| 07:57.13 | rectum | until i get money im stuck with this disk, so could you kindly tell me how to mark the bad sectors |
| 07:57.13 | rectum | its only one |
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| 07:57.14 | sTone_heAd | so, what are my chances to have a free workin jre? |
| 07:57.14 | enigmus | rectum: e2fsck can mark bad sector |
| 07:57.15 | caphuso | rectum: your disk is dying. it ran out of spare blocks, so now everytime another one goofs up, you'll lose data |
| 07:57.15 | Guerin | hrm |
| 07:57.15 | Guerin | checkinstall is supposed to be run at make install time, but I ran it straight after configure |
| 07:57.15 | Guerin | it would have errorred at me if it couldn't run make by itself, right? |
| 07:57.35 | rectum | just part of a file that can't be read, before after and all other files are fine |
| 07:57.40 | enigmus | rectum: e2fsck -c |
| 07:57.47 | johnga1t | is there an imagemagick one-liner that people know of that will convert all, say, jgps in a diretory to gifs, preserving filenames before .jpg? |
| 07:57.50 | caphuso | rectum: right now. not tomorrow, and not next week |
| 07:58.33 | caphuso | johnga1t: for a in *.jpg; do convert "$a" "${a%.jpg}".gif; done |
| 07:59.07 | johnga1t | caphuso : thanks. thought imagemagick would be slick enough to handle itself, but oh well. |
| 07:59.09 | enigmus | caphuso: well, I've seen a few bad blocks show up and nothing else for a long time. |
| 07:59.16 | caphuso | enigmus: pure luck |
| 07:59.17 | rectum | i understand what you are saying, and i don't refute it, I just simply have no money even 10$ to spend on anything, i could hardly pay bills this month. its not a sob story, niether am i asking for antying, but the fact is, i have to put up with this disk as long as i have no money |
| 07:59.21 | enigmus | caphuso: yes :) |
| 07:59.52 | Guerin | rectum: dumpster-diving! |
| 07:59.55 | lexxan | rectum.. you are a dirty rectum |
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| 08:00.24 | caphuso | rectum: then take the disk out of the computer and start saving up money |
| 08:00.34 | caphuso | or at least make a full backup |
| 08:00.42 | caphuso | (while you still can) |
| 08:00.43 | johnga1t | caphuso : thanks again. later. |
| 08:00.48 | rectum | two weeks till i get paid again |
| 08:00.50 | rectum | :( |
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| 08:01.06 | rectum | how much is say a 60gb hd |
| 08:01.08 | enigmus | it might hold two weeks, but backup important data |
| 08:01.11 | lexxan | rectum come up to canada i'll find you a job on the oil rigs |
| 08:01.11 | rectum | or 40 |
| 08:01.24 | rectum | nah man, i gotta graduate, finish school |
| 08:01.31 | rectum | im not worried about money or job atm |
| 08:01.35 | enigmus | used ? (w/o bad sectors...) not much |
| 08:01.40 | rectum | just enough to get by until i graduate |
| 08:01.40 | enigmus | like $30 |
| 08:01.44 | rectum | ouch |
| 08:01.46 | rectum | 30 |
| 08:01.52 | enigmus | maybe less, don't know |
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| 08:02.15 | mutek | Hello everyone... |
| 08:02.23 | enigmus | the price of the GB is roughly $0.6 these days, but you won't find such a small disk new |
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| 08:02.52 | mutek | I've got this error: |
| 08:02.53 | mutek | sudo dpkg-deb -b pippo dpkg-deb: costruisco il pacchetto `pippo' in `pippo.deb'. dpkg-deb (sottoprocesso): dati: errore interno di gzip: read(4096) != write(0): No space left on device |
| 08:03.03 | mutek | but tons of space available here |
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| 08:03.11 | rectum | e2fsck -c uses destructive read/write, in man page it says use -c twice to do a non destructive read/write. I want to preserve data but mark tha tone sector, it it towards the end of the disk, it is right after 5000000000 how can i spe cify which block to start reading from i don't see the option/switch in man page |
| 08:03.11 | mutek | may u help me please? |
| 08:03.19 | Rawplayer | lol |
| 08:03.34 | Guerin | two weeks is plenty of time to get a new disk from dumpster diving |
| 08:03.34 | Guerin | depending on where you live, naturally |
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| 08:04.45 | rectum | so i should use e2fsck -c -c if i don't want my data to be destroyed during the scan? |
| 08:05.07 | Guerin | grrr, the lib package I built with checkinstall put the libs in /usr/local, but the client is looking in /usr/ |
| 08:05.22 | Guerin | is there some clever shell trickery to get around this,m or should I symlink? |
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| 08:06.05 | IDC | '-/+ buffers/cache: 38468 218456', here is 38468 the real value about the ram current is being used ? |
| 08:06.11 | Guerin | IDC: yes |
| 08:06.16 | lexxan | I put /dev/input/mice in my XF86config and X won't start.. What should i put? |
| 08:06.31 | IDC | Guerin, less than 40MB? |
| 08:06.33 | lexxan | just the default for ps/2 |
| 08:06.36 | Guerin | lexxan: you shouldn't ever edit your x config file manually |
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| 08:06.41 | IDC | and im running X while playing Mp3 |
| 08:06.45 | Guerin | IDC: seems so |
| 08:06.51 | IDC | cool |
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| 08:06.54 | lexxan | I have been for years |
| 08:07.00 | lexxan | but what is the default |
| 08:07.16 | Guerin | lexxan: /dev/psaux might work |
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| 08:07.37 | Araldit | How unstable is debian sid, is it crashing all the time, and should I just stick to debian Sarge??? |
| 08:07.43 | lexxan | thanjs, |
| 08:07.44 | Guerin | Araldit: yes. |
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| 08:08.07 | caphuso | Araldit: you should stick to sarge |
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| 08:09.25 | Araldit | caphuso: Ok, it was the newer packages that got my attention, but if it is that unstable, I will just wait for the packages getting into sarge. |
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| 08:10.30 | IDC | SO its only taking 40MB physical ram now ? im running X,playing Music at the same time |
| 08:10.50 | Guerin | Araldit: you want to track 'testing', not sarge, in that case. |
| 08:11.04 | Guerin | Araldit: since sarge is now frozen, and won't be getting any new shinies. |
| 08:11.09 | boycer | !sarge guess |
| 08:11.09 | dpkg | At a guess, sarge will be ready in about... 4 days, or see <guess>. |
| 08:11.13 | Guerin | IDC: that's what it says. |
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| 08:11.42 | christoph_ | I want to buy a new 54 Mbit Wlan card for my noteb. But I have no idea which one is the best :-( |
| 08:11.47 | IDC | Guerin, remarkable linux :) |
| 08:12.00 | christoph_ | Any good ideas? |
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| 08:13.42 | lildevil | howto copy all files and folders ?? |
| 08:13.50 | Araldit | Guerin: Hmm, but when sarge is released its going to replace woody, and then somthing will replace sarge aswell, right? |
| 08:13.57 | SlayerXP | lildevil: "man cp" |
| 08:14.06 | christoph_ | cp -r |
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| 08:14.38 | christoph_ | cp -r * /target |
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| 08:16.10 | Guerin | Araldit: yes, etch. Which is why you should change all instances of 'sarge' to 'testing' in /etc/apt/sources.list if you want a distro which stays up-to-date |
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| 08:16.48 | christoph_ | Why not changing to unstable? ... |
| 08:16.56 | christoph_ | .. every time up to date! |
| 08:17.15 | caphuso | christoph_: because people who have to ask if they should use unstable have no business using unstable |
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| 08:24.16 | Guerin | nassty |
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| 08:24.35 | Guerin | jm_: rtorrent is WAY easier on the cpu and ram |
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| 08:24.40 | jgrau_ | hello. how do I, in a single command, search for files and delete them? |
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| 08:25.15 | doleyb | jgrau_: find . -name filename -exec rm \{\} \; |
| 08:25.21 | doleyb | jgrau_: be careful with that! |
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| 08:25.40 | jgrau_ | thanks doleyb .. i'll be careful :-) |
| 08:26.02 | doleyb | jgrau_: first, you can run find . -name filename by itself, and look at what files it gets. |
| 08:26.06 | tarzeau | doleyb: why escape {} ? |
| 08:26.24 | doleyb | tarzeau: so it will work... ? |
| 08:26.34 | umbop | or just pipe the output to xargs and rm $1 |
| 08:26.34 | tarzeau | doleyb: it works without escaping {} |
| 08:26.41 | jm_ | Guerin: yup, I noticed that too, especially if you have multiple torrents going on |
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| 08:27.09 | Guerin | jm_: yeah. i guess that's c++ vs python talking |
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| 08:27.17 | doleyb | tarzeau: well, "man find" warns that {} might need escape too. |
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| 08:30.29 | jm_ | Guerin: yes, and the feller also uses some smart things, such as mmap-ed files, mincore() and madvise() |
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| 08:33.00 | Guerin | why yes, linux memory management DOES own |
| 08:33.04 | Loevborg | does anyone know how to print (convert) a pdf to another pdf, but with two pages per page? |
| 08:33.07 | Guerin | -/+ buffers/cache: 78760 - running two X servers, kde, openbox, two screens with ten or so terminals each, rsyncing three machines into a backup, evolution, firefox with a dozen tabs, running a bunch of torrents and playing mp3 :) |
| 08:33.33 | Guerin | Loevborg: pdftk probably has a tool to do this |
| 08:33.55 | lexxan | Could anyone tell me how enable oss sound in totem-xine? |
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| 08:34.20 | Guerin | lexxan: is oss workign normally? |
| 08:34.27 | Guerin | as in, outside totem? |
| 08:34.31 | Loevborg | lexxan, doesn't it use gstreamer? |
| 08:34.37 | lexxan | Guerin, Yes. |
| 08:34.38 | Guerin | Loevborg: there are two backends |
| 08:34.42 | TinoW | Guerin: it helps if you dont have firefox running all the time |
| 08:34.44 | lexxan | Guerin, xmms just played an mp3 fine. |
| 08:34.53 | Loevborg | ah yes. |
| 08:35.03 | Guerin | lexxan: is xmms using the oss backend? |
| 08:35.12 | Guerin | as opposed to, say, arts or something |
| 08:35.16 | lexxan | yes |
| 08:35.25 | Guerin | lexxan: then you might be best to ask in #gnome irc.gimp.org |
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| 08:35.50 | Guerin | but someone in here might know the special totem voodoo |
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| 08:36.52 | caphuso | js_: you mean 'bash', don't you? |
| 08:36.52 | caphuso | damn |
| 08:36.59 | Guerin | TinoW: but I DO :) |
| 08:37.01 | caphuso | js_: sorry |
| 08:37.02 | lexxan | hmm mplayer won't give me sound either |
| 08:37.02 | Loevborg | Guerin, seems like pdftk can't do this. |
| 08:37.04 | lexxan | maybe i need a codec |
| 08:37.19 | lexxan | i installed w32codecs ;/ |
| 08:37.22 | Guerin | lexxan: run file over the file |
| 08:37.31 | Crasp | nothing wrong with the w32codecs |
| 08:37.31 | Loevborg | lexxan, w32codecs is pointless for totem AFAIK. |
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| 08:37.47 | lexxan | No it's not. it automatically links the codecs and everything |
| 08:37.50 | directhex|work | Loevborg, no, totem will use w32codecs |
| 08:37.54 | Guerin | lexxan: mplayer -vo sdl |
| 08:37.56 | Guerin | ehh |
| 08:37.58 | Guerin | -ao |
| 08:38.06 | tarzeau | nice http://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph2-week.png |
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| 08:38.24 | TinoW | Guerin: how long do you have it running +here must be a questionmark but my keybord currently screwed up due to tests of dmx |
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| 08:38.35 | Crasp | lexxan: you should try to figure out whether the audio stream of the movie is 48KHz and whether your soundcard can handle that |
| 08:38.37 | Guerin | toffy: haha |
| 08:38.41 | Guerin | TinoW: ^^ |
| 08:38.46 | lexxan | Crasp, Gr8 idea. |
| 08:38.56 | Guerin | TinoW: eh, rebooted the box about 10 days ago |
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| 08:39.12 | Erpo | Hi all. I'm running testing and just installed the devhelp-books package. When I run devhelp, it complains about files in the GTK+ 2.0 tutorial being missing. I've got devhelp-book-gtk2 installed. What gives? |
| 08:39.16 | Guerin | !tw@ |
| 08:39.17 | dpkg | i heard tw@ is ( What we think of people who use 'gr8' and other such nonsense words. ) |
| 08:39.20 | jethro | moinmoin |
| 08:39.20 | TinoW | Guerin: after some days of having firefox standing there with 10-20 tabs open i see a huge slowdown of the box |
| 08:39.58 | directhex|work | TinoW, known firefox bug, it doesn't free memory for closed tabs until the whole browser quits |
| 08:40.10 | Crasp | !omgplzkthx |
| 08:40.11 | Guerin | TinoW: yeah, it does happen sometimes... but this time, apparently not. |
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| 08:40.34 | Erpo | directhex|work: No kidding? Does this happen on all platforms? |
| 08:40.58 | lexxan | damnit no videos have sound :( |
| 08:41.15 | Crasp | lexxan: try running it from console and enable debugging |
| 08:41.26 | lexxan | running what? |
| 08:41.27 | Erpo | lexxan: Pay the $19.99/mo and join the site. ;) |
| 08:41.35 | Crasp | lexxan: totem/mplayer whatever |
| 08:41.37 | Guerin | mplayer gives stupid amounts of output on console, by default... should be something in there |
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| 08:41.53 | Guerin | roight |
| 08:42.07 | Guerin | off to drink beer and eat cold noodles |
| 08:42.07 | doleyb | TinoW: make sure you don't have flash plugin |
| 08:42.15 | jethro | eek |
| 08:42.16 | directhex|work | Erpo, yeah, i think so |
| 08:42.24 | Crasp | beer at 11am |
| 08:42.25 | jethro | Guerin: how good are cold noodles? |
| 08:42.33 | Guerin | jethro: exquisite |
| 08:42.34 | jethro | Crasp: we all live in different timezones |
| 08:42.42 | lexxan | [mpeg4 @ 0x41619998]vop not coded |
| 08:42.43 | lexxan | what is that |
| 08:42.45 | Crasp | jethro: seriously? :p |
| 08:42.48 | jethro | Guerin: well it doesn't sound good :) |
| 08:42.52 | jethro | Crasp: as a matter of fact, yes |
| 08:43.27 | lexxan | fuck |
| 08:43.30 | lexxan | I'll try alsa |
| 08:43.33 | Crasp | lexxan: try #mplayer, they might know what it means |
| 08:43.35 | Guerin | jethro: http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch05.html |
| 08:43.40 | lexxan | It doesn't work in totem or mplayer |
| 08:43.45 | directhex|work | lexxan, not relevant. it means it's been encoded with packed VOPs, a very recent feature in the very latest mpeg4 codecs (e.g. xvid 1.0) |
| 08:43.46 | Guerin | good enough for RMS, it's good enough for me :) |
| 08:44.14 | Crasp | what's a VOP anyway? |
| 08:44.18 | directhex|work | lexxan, it's a message from the mpeg4 codec doing the video, no relevance to sound |
| 08:44.24 | jethro | Guerin: :| |
| 08:44.43 | jethro | Guerin: do you have long and dirty hair, and smelly balls as well? |
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| 08:46.28 | directhex|work | Crasp, VOP == "Video Object Plane" |
| 08:46.39 | Crasp | ah |
| 08:47.01 | lexxan | brb |
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| 08:51.46 | Loevborg | for the record, "pdfnup" does the trick. |
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| 08:51.59 | lexxan | Wtf.. I did what your faq says and alsaconf won't even look for my card |
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| 08:52.52 | nottu | hello, i get this error when i connect to the courier imap server, May 4 10:53:42 server imaplogin: authdaemon: REJECT anyone can tell me what can i do ? |
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| 08:53.33 | Meltir | hi. i need help setting up tc filters (man page non-existant, and all the howto's, manuals seem to be refering to something diff). in all the mans - the filters look diff then what the tc manpage says they are supposed to. anyone familiar with this stuff ? |
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| 08:54.32 | lexxan | ha got it working |
| 08:54.38 | lexxan | good alsa |
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| 08:56.29 | VivekVC | I am using debian sarge and i have written a simple "hello world" program in c called hello.c but i am not able to compile it using gcc, when i do a gcc hello.c i get the message hello.c:1:19: stdio.h: No such file or directory. |
| 08:57.01 | VivekVC | I am new to programming someone kindly guide me. |
| 08:57.01 | colk | you need the dev files for glibc i belive |
| 08:57.13 | VivekVC | colk: so do i get them |
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| 08:57.21 | colk | try apt-getting make-dev |
| 08:57.23 | VivekVC | i did an apt-get install gcc |
| 08:57.24 | jethro | !tell VivekVC -about search |
| 08:57.37 | jethro | VivekVC: you want apt-get install build-essential |
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| 08:57.47 | VivekVC | jethro: ok |
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| 08:57.47 | colk | or that |
| 08:57.48 | colk | :P |
| 08:57.49 | jethro | !tell VivekVC -about b-e |
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| 08:58.06 | jethro | VivekVC: see what dpkg told you |
| 08:58.17 | colk | or just install a dev package im sure itll install everything else |
| 08:58.18 | colk | :P |
| 08:58.36 | jethro | colk: it's the whole point of the b-e metapackage |
| 08:58.49 | VivekVC | jethro and colk, i really appreciate your help :) |
| 08:58.56 | directhex|work | !b-e VivekVC |
| 08:58.57 | dpkg | VivekVC: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 08:58.57 | jethro | VivekVC: you're welcome |
| 08:59.03 | jethro | you're late directhex|work :) |
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| 08:59.06 | directhex|work | bah |
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| 08:59.15 | jethro | heh |
| 08:59.19 | colk | usually when I install a new box I just get one of the dev packages and it somehow gets everything else |
| 08:59.20 | colk | :P |
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| 08:59.32 | colk | wow sarge froze |
| 08:59.36 | jethro | colk: the debian way is to install b-e anyways |
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| 08:59.59 | colk | well i just learned about this package |
| 08:59.59 | colk | :) |
| 09:00.11 | ernestovolonteri | hello |
| 09:00.17 | jethro | hello ernestovolonteri |
| 09:00.18 | colk | hmm its been a while since I redid a box |
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| 09:00.47 | colk | rofl 662 packages to upgrade |
| 09:01.10 | ernestovolonteri | I'm working about audio |
| 09:01.39 | colk | huh? |
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| 09:01.52 | colk | I wasnt able to translate that |
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| 09:02.43 | markybob | is there a way to add exceptions to always_bcc in postfix? so that it doesnt forward mails to/from a specific account? |
| 09:03.28 | ernestovolonteri | I'd know if yamaha ds2416 is compatible with debian kernel |
| 09:04.11 | jethro | markybob: I suggest you /j #postfix and ask there, they should know better thean #debian |
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| 09:04.21 | petemc | ernestovolonteri: google for "yamaha ds2416 linux" |
| 09:04.35 | jethro | ernestovolonteri: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ |
| 09:05.04 | colk | thank god i have cable:) |
| 09:05.55 | IDC | is the orders in iptables very important or doesn't a matter ? |
| 09:06.09 | Gathond | IDC: it is first match :) |
| 09:06.18 | colk | very important |
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| 09:06.31 | colk | if you deny all first you wont be getting out period |
| 09:06.32 | IDC | i wrote this line to try to apply a specified addr. to probe on my 113 port as acceptable but |
| 09:06.33 | ernestovolonteri | It's not compatible. |
| 09:06.58 | Gathond | IDC: if the rules in any way overlap in what they might match the order is important, if they dont overlap the order can be safely ignored |
| 09:07.04 | IDC | it doesnt work,the line is 'iptables -A INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -p tcp --dport 113 -j ACCEPT' |
| 09:07.17 | IDC | THis line is the 2nd in the INPUT chain |
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| 09:08.03 | directhex|work | ernestovolonteri, http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Yamaha#matrix |
| 09:08.06 | IDC | the first line is "iptables -t filter -A INPUT -i ppp0 -p tcp --syn -j DROP" |
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| 09:08.12 | IDC | any idea ? |
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| 09:08.42 | IDC | oh ,i think i forgot to specify an network interface |
| 09:08.51 | IDC | wait |
| 09:09.20 | VivekVC | I got disconnected because of a power supply failure. This common here in India. I am wondering what will happen of my HDD. The UPS also is not working. |
| 09:09.27 | colk | ernestovolonteri, they dont know |
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| 09:09.54 | colk | hard drives dont like losing power that often |
| 09:10.00 | colk | Ive had 1 die because of that |
| 09:10.55 | ernestovolonteri | Support is undetermined as of yet |
| 09:11.20 | IDC | can't get it work |
| 09:11.48 | ernestovolonteri | I've only chipset YSS228E |
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| 09:12.25 | colk | well you could be the person that determines if it works or not:P |
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| 09:14.00 | writerase | hi, where can i have some help for modifications on debian source packages trees ? dbs-edit-patch related questions |
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| 09:15.14 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 09:16.08 | ^rob^ | i need a good initrd that support sata and ide too - i've remade my initrd with w3_xxxx support for sata - now my cd is not seen any more! |
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| 09:16.35 | rayen | hi, where can I find the PKG_CONFIG_PATH ? |
| 09:16.42 | ^rob^ | did anyone solved the initrd problem? when Deb sarge is installed on sata hdd ? |
| 09:16.52 | directhex|work | ^rob^, which kernel version? |
| 09:16.59 | ^rob^ | 2.6 |
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| 09:17.16 | directhex|work | ^rob^, sarge has always worked perfectly for me on a sata disk with a 2.6 kernel |
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| 09:17.55 | ^rob^ | directhex|work: you had no pivot_root: /sbin/init 431 cannot open /dev/console error? |
| 09:18.27 | tub | which is the packet name for GLIBC_2.3 (libc6 packet needs it) |
| 09:18.28 | ^rob^ | directhex|work: can i have your initrd? - i hink i wreck mine |
| 09:18.33 | writerase | what are debian/patches.Q and debian/patches.pending ? tutorials deals with debian/patches ? |
| 09:18.52 | ^rob^ | remade the initrd as in debian broken things sayd |
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| 09:19.14 | Xsquared | anyone know anything about setting horde imp4 up on debian? |
| 09:19.19 | ernestovolonteri | They say: Support for cards or chipsets is undetermined. what means? |
| 09:19.38 | sepski | Xsquared, been doing that yesterday, whats your issue ? |
| 09:19.59 | Xsquared | ive configured it, how do i connect to it? |
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| 09:20.23 | ^rob^ | directhex|work: ??? |
| 09:20.31 | sepski | Xsquared, youv configured it using the webadministration ? wernt you already connected then ? |
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| 09:20.54 | Xsquared | sepski: um, i configured it by hand, how do i connect to it there? |
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| 09:21.41 | sepski | Xsquared, you have this line in your apache config somewhere?? Alias /horde3 /usr/share/horde3/ |
| 09:21.57 | directhex|work | ^rob^, i've heard of that error before, but i've never had it |
| 09:22.01 | sepski | Xsquared, then you just browse to http://webserver/horde3 |
| 09:22.05 | directhex|work | ^rob^, intel ich5/ich6 ? |
| 09:22.08 | Xsquared | sepski: ok, i'll look |
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| 09:22.23 | ^rob^ | directhex|work: ich6 i think - (p4) |
| 09:22.58 | directhex|work | ^rob^, you upgraded from a 2.4 kernel? |
| 09:22.59 | ^rob^ | directhex|work: how do i know that for shure? |
| 09:23.05 | ^rob^ | yes - |
| 09:23.32 | ^rob^ | i upgraded from woody to sarge - 2 months ago - then from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 09:24.47 | ernestovolonteri | I think i can't work my sound card with debian |
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| 09:25.29 | directhex|work | ^rob^, as far as memory serves, it's a problem with 2.4 using crappy sata support through /dev/hd* for intel ich, rather than the standard /dev/sd* |
| 09:25.40 | directhex|work | ernestovolonteri, there are no LINUX drivers, not debian. complain to yamaha |
| 09:26.29 | ^rob^ | i have no /dev/hdx - only /dev/sd |
| 09:26.44 | ^rob^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.53 | ^rob^ | my cd is not even seen in dmesg |
| 09:26.59 | ^rob^ | i guess it's initrd |
| 09:27.25 | ^rob^ | changed grub - for that - and remade initrd |
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| 09:27.39 | ^rob^ | i am NOW on my new sata hdd |
| 09:27.58 | ^rob^ | the only problem is that i can't use my dvd writter |
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| 09:28.00 | ernestovolonteri | how can i do? Can i work to create a driver complain to yamaha? |
| 09:28.12 | SlayerXP | !curse initrd |
| 09:28.13 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, initrd! |
| 09:28.44 | ^rob^ | !curse initrd |
| 09:28.44 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, initrd! |
| 09:28.48 | Guerin | jethro: i have long hair, but it's clean, and my balls tend to be clean too, FYI |
| 09:28.58 | ^rob^ | looool |
| 09:29.02 | Guerin | jethro: curious as to how you know about the aroma of RMS's balls |
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| 09:29.38 | jethro | Guerin: have you ever met him? |
| 09:29.43 | ^rob^ | directhex|work: grr - i'll take initrd from other distrib |
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| 09:29.59 | Guerin | jethro: no, and I certainly haven't sniffed his nethers, either |
| 09:30.02 | directhex|work | ^rob^, you can't just *take* an initrd. the modules inside are compiled for an exact kernel |
| 09:30.12 | directhex|work | ^rob^, if you really want, reinstall your kernel-image package |
| 09:30.20 | jethro | Guerin: I did at a few linux cons, and you don't have to take you nose close to his balls, just being a few metters away from him allows you to smell |
| 09:30.27 | ^rob^ | k |
| 09:30.29 | Xsquared | sepski: ok, im at the webconfig now |
| 09:30.29 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:30.30 | ^rob^ | i'll try |
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| 09:30.49 | Guerin | anyway |
| 09:30.58 | jethro | :) |
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| 09:31.16 | Guerin | the pyongyang wang naeng myeon were choice, thanks :) |
| 09:31.34 | jethro | I have to try that someday |
| 09:31.36 | sepski | Xsquared, if your going to run imp4, then i assume you want to authenticate using imp4, just make sure imp4 login works before you tell horde to use imp4 as authentication. and that you have a imp4 user that can be the super-user |
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| 09:31.43 | jethro | I like asian food |
| 09:32.02 | Xsquared | sepski: i get this message now: No version found in your configuration. Regenerate configuration. |
| 09:32.04 | directhex|work | i've never had a problem with initrds. okay, i lie, not since 2.6.0 was released anyway. debian initrd kernels are fine, and when i make my own kernels, --initrd *just works* |
| 09:32.06 | Xsquared | did you get that message? |
| 09:32.07 | Guerin | korean food isn't much like what most people understand as asian food |
| 09:32.36 | greister | Use what command to caculate the mount of directorys? |
| 09:32.46 | jethro | Guerin: I mean phö, chinese soups, japanese dons, etc... |
| 09:33.11 | caphuso | greister: to do what? |
| 09:33.16 | sepski | Xsquared, you get that the first time, its an indication you need to go thru the webconfig |
| 09:33.24 | Guerin | jethro: pho is among th best things in the whole world |
| 09:33.29 | jethro | word |
| 09:33.30 | ^rob^ | directhex|work: 2.6.10 or 2.6.8-2.686 ??? |
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| 09:33.37 | Guerin | it's the ultimate hangover cure |
| 09:33.40 | jethro | heh |
| 09:33.49 | jethro | it's cheap, good, and healthy |
| 09:33.51 | Guerin | pho and green tea |
| 09:34.04 | greister | to estimate the directory? |
| 09:34.08 | sepski | does aptitude update and apt-get update maintain the same or different databases ? |
| 09:34.15 | Guerin | greister: the size? |
| 09:34.16 | Xsquared | sepski: i am in the webconfig. how do i reinstall all the files for a package again? |
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| 09:34.20 | greister | yes. |
| 09:34.20 | caphuso | greister: uhm, wild guess: du |
| 09:34.20 | Guerin | sepski: both. |
| 09:34.35 | greister | i try. |
| 09:34.44 | sepski | Xsquared, apt-get install --reinstall horde |
| 09:34.52 | Guerin | sepski: don't use them together; pick one and stick with it or you'll get pain. |
| 09:35.16 | polok | does anybody know of a program I can use to simulate a stopwatch? |
| 09:35.45 | sepski | Xsquared, but im uncertain if that will overwrite your configs, i guess you might need to purge first then install again |
| 09:35.46 | directhex|work | ^rob^, i use 2.6.8-2-686-smp on my home desktop, 2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 on my office desktop, and a hand-made 2.6.11 on my home htpc |
| 09:35.58 | Guerin | polok: time and a shell script which terminates on input |
| 09:36.24 | sepski | Guerin, thanks for the heads up |
| 09:36.42 | caphuso | polok: date +%s; read -n1; date +%s |
| 09:36.55 | lll | where do the C header files live? - are they kept after initial install? |
| 09:37.10 | cahoot | polok: or google for an app called stopwatch |
| 09:37.24 | caphuso | lll: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 09:38.06 | caphuso | and of course they are kept, you don't just and delete random files... |
| 09:38.14 | caphuso | s/and/go and/ |
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| 09:40.45 | sepski | besides aptitudes ability to keep track of dependency pulled packages, is there any other benefit over apt-get ? |
| 09:40.54 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 09:40.54 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 09:41.11 | Guerin | sepski: taht list url has some reasons |
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| 09:44.58 | lll | I'm trying to install vmware tools - it requires c headers for the (running)kernel 2.4.18-bf2 - but they're not there..anyone? |
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| 09:45.09 | Turjakas | i'm really stuck with the debian-installer: it seems that it can't boot from a cd-drive connected to a pci ide controller (Silicon Image 0680). Does anyone have any experience with this card whether it supports booting from cdrom correctly (el torito support is needed afaik..?) |
| 09:45.30 | Turjakas | the installer does boot, but it complains about broken bios and some weird stuff.. |
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| 09:48.19 | Ry12 | k |
| 09:48.52 | Ry12 | does apt-get install pkg remove pkg then install new one |
| 09:49.02 | Ry12 | or do i have to apt-get remove pkg first |
| 09:49.13 | Gathond | Ry12: it replaces it yes |
| 09:49.17 | directhex|work | Turjakas, sii0680 is not a generic ide controller, it isn't designed for optical drives |
| 09:49.18 | Ry12 | k |
| 09:49.30 | Gathond | Ry12: I dont think it actually get removed first though |
| 09:49.53 | Ry12 | so it would be better removing first? |
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| 09:50.48 | Turjakas | directhex|work: eww.. nice.. but can I install linux on a hd connected to it or are there some problems also ? |
| 09:50.57 | directhex|work | Turjakas, as it happens, yes, i have experience with sii0680. mine worked so badly, and was such a piece of shit, i threw it in the sink, fished it out, and pulled off all the components for fun |
| 09:51.18 | Turjakas | heh .. ok. |
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| 09:53.42 | Turjakas | directhex|work: and there are not bios upgrades for the card that could solve this ? |
| 09:53.48 | Xsquared | what is the imagemagick binary location? |
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| 09:54.23 | sepski | Xsquared, you dont like gd ? |
| 09:54.50 | blahdeblah | Hi. What package is recommended for recording video from a DC30 video capture card? |
| 09:54.51 | Xsquared | no, lol |
| 09:55.00 | directhex|work | Turjakas, probably. i tried a bios update, and the card stopped working entirely. essentially, _IF_ your card works fine, then sii0680 should work in sarge. but i have no faith in sii |
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| 09:55.01 | sepski | Xsquared, btw browse to /horde3/test.php it gives a good list of what you need |
| 09:55.02 | petemc | blahdeblah: vdr works |
| 09:55.41 | Guerin | Xsquared: dpkg -L imagemagick |grep bin |
| 09:55.52 | blahdeblah | petemc: Thanks - do you need any other app to play back the recordings? |
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| 09:57.01 | Guerin | grrr, all my bittorrent clients are just failing to connect to any tracker |
| 09:57.06 | incorrect | are there any alternatives to minicom? |
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| 09:57.18 | lexxan | Can anyone tell me what this means.. depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/updates/alsa/snd-pdau diocf.o |
| 09:57.37 | Guerin | lexxan: it means your module was not compiled for the kernel you're running |
| 09:57.51 | TinoW | lexxan: they are unresolved. Maybe you need a stronger solver ;) |
| 09:57.57 | Turjakas | directhex|work: I wish they had told me this in the shop when I was buying the card :) Luckily the card seems to work fine with windows and with cdrom-drives.. booting from one is the only problem I've had |
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| 09:58.04 | lexxan | oh |
| 09:58.49 | lexxan | well i'm usin the correct ones from packages ;/ |
| 09:59.01 | lexxan | alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 09:59.09 | stidnam | hi im running sarge on my router with pppoe. I've got my firewall starting on bootup in the bootmisc file. Yet it seems to bring up the ppp interface before it runs the firewall. It didn't do this to begin with. Is there something that I can modify to prevent this from happening |
| 09:59.50 | Guerin | lexxan: uname -r |
| 10:00.07 | lexxan | lexxan:/etc/apt# uname -r |
| 10:00.07 | lexxan | 2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 10:00.17 | Guerin | lexxan: done depmod -a |
| 10:00.18 | Guerin | ? |
| 10:00.21 | lexxan | nope |
| 10:00.22 | directhex|work | Turjakas, i was using windows at the time >_< |
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| 10:00.38 | lexxan | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/updates/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o |
| 10:00.41 | lexxan | when i run depmod -a |
| 10:00.48 | Guerin | funky |
| 10:01.06 | lexxan | i'll try the 386 kernel with them |
| 10:01.25 | lexxan | good idea? i dunno |
| 10:01.54 | lexxan | or can i just install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:02.08 | TinoW | lexxan: sure |
| 10:02.19 | TinoW | lexxan: hardware support is better anyway with 2.6 |
| 10:02.24 | lexxan | ok 2.6 it is |
| 10:02.46 | antony | is it possible to set up an apt repository on one of our machines, that will not contain all of debian, but will cache packages that we need on more than one of our workstations? |
| 10:02.55 | PerfDave | antony: apt-proxy |
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| 10:03.19 | antony | thanks |
| 10:03.36 | lexxan | Can I use -686 with an athlon? |
| 10:03.43 | Turjakas | directhex|work: at least the product brief for the card says that it should support all kinds of ide/atapi devices - not just hard disks, so this makes me really wonder |
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| 10:04.11 | karim | hi |
| 10:04.13 | Guerin | lexxan: no |
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| 10:04.24 | lexxan | k |
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| 10:04.56 | PerfDave | Guerin: Can't you? I thought Athlons could run -686 stuff. |
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| 10:06.29 | Overand | does -686 include p4 specific stuff? |
| 10:06.41 | Overand | doesn't the athlon support SSE, SSE2 etc? |
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| 10:06.53 | Overand | i mean it's *better* to use the -amd or whatever it's called |
| 10:07.18 | lexxan | k thx brb |
| 10:07.19 | jm_ | new Athlon 64 core supports SSE3 too |
| 10:08.04 | Overand | so why wouldn't -686 work? |
| 10:08.17 | Overand | it's probably something arcane and weird |
| 10:08.20 | Xsquared | would anyone be able to help me out a bit with the initial setting up of imp4? |
| 10:08.21 | Overand | maybe i don't want to think about it |
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| 10:09.23 | Xsquared | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.43 | Overand | that's.. |
| 10:09.44 | Overand | odd |
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| 10:14.15 | lexxan | advertising porn. |
| 10:14.21 | mozrat | yes |
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| 10:14.24 | mozrat | I was just about to say |
| 10:14.29 | Rydekull | !ops police |
| 10:14.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: police |
| 10:14.36 | lanchow | why 'rm' doesn't remove hidden files itself ? i need to specify 'rm .*', maybe there's something else, do you know ? |
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| 10:14.56 | EvanCarroll | where is the ctrl+alt+del script? |
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| 10:15.10 | peterS | EvanCarroll: /etc/inittab |
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| 10:15.27 | lexxan | damnit my sound is broken now with 2.6 |
| 10:15.37 | mozrat | Guys - how can I create screenshots of a Debian install? I need to do some documentation for work |
| 10:15.55 | mozrat | Please answer without using the words "camera" and "digital" |
| 10:16.30 | EvanCarroll | heh lexxan i just made a video for debian installer howto for a contracter that went sour i used vmware and camtisa to record, then i went back and mastered with sony vegas and soundforge |
| 10:16.30 | bob2 | qemu |
| 10:16.38 | Xsquared | mozrat: take your scanner and put it against the monitor ;-) |
| 10:16.40 | EvanCarroll | err that was to you mozrat |
| 10:16.40 | SlayerXP | mozrat: vmware |
| 10:16.47 | bob2 | mozrat: qemu |
| 10:16.48 | jm_ | mozrat: qemu, vmware, serial console, ... |
| 10:16.57 | mozrat | Xsquared: lol, SlayerXP, HELLO! and yes. best idea |
| 10:16.58 | mozrat | thanks |
| 10:17.05 | SlayerXP | lo mozrat |
| 10:17.08 | Xsquared | \m/ |
| 10:17.13 | SlayerXP | now get out of my channel :) |
| 10:17.18 | mozrat | yes, sir :( |
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| 10:17.25 | simonrvn | you know that many of those spam bots are re-using the same nicks |
| 10:17.49 | Xsquared | anyone know about configuring horde3? |
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| 10:18.32 | lexxan | alsaconf says it detects my emu10k1 but alsamixer doesn't say anything.. and alsamixer -c 1 doesn't work.. any ideas? |
| 10:18.45 | lexxan | actually its picking up my tvtuner |
| 10:18.50 | Overand | huh |
| 10:18.54 | Overand | fun |
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| 10:19.55 | Yaroon | Q: is there a way to use parameters in the substitution part of s///? For instance, I have config="1234" and then I try sed 's/some regex/$config/' |
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| 10:20.16 | lexxan | haha fun is right |
| 10:20.17 | lexxan | EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:00:0f.0 failed with error -12 |
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| 10:20.41 | jm_ | Yaroon: it is once you understand how shell works |
| 10:20.52 | Yaroon | Damn. |
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| 10:21.43 | IDC | lexxan, in kernel config,i did see EMUxx stuff under ALSA |
| 10:22.02 | IDC | lexxan, did add it as module ? |
| 10:22.06 | IDC | did you* |
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| 10:23.41 | lexxan | I just downloaded a prebuilt 2.6 from packages |
| 10:23.47 | IDC | oh |
| 10:24.06 | Yaroon | jm_: can you tell me how to do it please? $config just substitutes with "$config", \$config doesn't work either. |
| 10:24.16 | IDC | lexxan, i always recompile kernel by myself,it helps to learn stuff quickly |
| 10:24.38 | caphuso | lexxan: does it show up in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 10:24.54 | IDC | lexxan, as for me,i add sound support in kernel ,then alsa as module,under it slect some OSS API which maybe will be used by alsa apps |
| 10:24.57 | lexxan | nope |
| 10:25.00 | caphuso | Yaroon: hint: " not ' |
| 10:25.23 | jm_ | Yaroon: do you know what the difference is between " and '? |
| 10:25.32 | IDC | lexxan, for sure,i did see EMUXX in the ALSA -->PCI Device list |
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| 10:25.46 | caphuso | lexxan: then you didn't load the necessary modules |
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| 10:26.11 | Yaroon | Woah, sweet, it works. Thanks caphuso |
| 10:26.19 | lexxan | k hold on |
| 10:26.50 | Yaroon | jm_: ehm, single and double qoute? ' means you have to escape ' if you want to use it inside '', and " means you have to escape " if you want to use it inside "". |
| 10:26.54 | Yaroon | That's all I know. |
| 10:27.17 | caphuso | Yaroon: good luck escaping ' inside '' |
| 10:27.28 | Yaroon | :| |
| 10:27.40 | gudi | anyne has tcng skills ? |
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| 10:28.03 | Yaroon | OK, escaping ' inside '' doesn't work. echo '\'' is a no go. |
| 10:28.31 | caphuso | Yaroon: now is a good time reading the section about quoting in the docs of your shell |
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| 10:29.02 | Ry12 | when is 2.6.12 going to be added to sarge |
| 10:29.08 | Yaroon | I have learning the bash shell lying at home, printed form. But I haven't read it completely... and the parts that I've read... that's more than 2 years ago. |
| 10:29.14 | dan2 | Ry12: it wont |
| 10:29.14 | simonrvn | Ry12: hint: read the /topic |
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| 10:29.24 | simonrvn | i.e., it won't |
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| 10:29.50 | dan2 | Ry12: more than 6 months ago, the release team stated that the kernel of sarge is 2.6.8 |
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| 10:29.55 | yogui | hi |
| 10:30.06 | yogui | i need to make a boot disk |
| 10:30.17 | yogui | but i dont know how made it |
| 10:30.22 | Ry12 | i dont get it |
| 10:30.31 | caphuso | yogui: mkboot |
| 10:30.33 | Ry12 | doesnt sarge just keep updating? |
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| 10:30.43 | simonrvn | it's FROZEN |
| 10:30.53 | rafx | Ry12: you must be thinking of ubuntu |
| 10:30.57 | Anders1 | lol |
| 10:31.14 | yogui | caphuso: ok i'm going to see this thanxx |
| 10:31.22 | Ry12 | so is everyone gona hav to move to sid to get the latest stuff |
| 10:31.44 | Yaroon | caphuso: OK, read the QOUTING part in man bash. Thanks again. |
| 10:31.50 | rafx | Ry12: some thing backported. there's even a website for backports |
| 10:32.16 | Ry12 | r they gona make a new debian for testing ? |
| 10:32.27 | caphuso | Ry12: of course |
| 10:32.41 | Ry12 | when |
| 10:32.51 | caphuso | Ry12: at the moment sarge is getting released |
| 10:32.53 | PerfDave | When Sarge releases :) |
| 10:33.15 | Ry12 | so when its realeased does it come on 7 discs like woody |
| 10:33.22 | rafx | around May 30 |
| 10:33.25 | caphuso | Ry12: no, more |
| 10:33.34 | caphuso | it's substantially bigger than woody |
| 10:33.36 | PerfDave | Three DVDs! :) |
| 10:33.36 | Anders1 | like 13 discs iirc? |
| 10:33.49 | ricky_clarkson | What? |
| 10:33.53 | Anders1 | (sarge on cd's) |
| 10:33.54 | ricky_clarkson | The release critical bugs are gone? |
| 10:33.58 | Anders1 | oh |
| 10:34.04 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: mostly |
| 10:34.13 | rafx | but you only need the first CD usually. |
| 10:34.16 | ricky_clarkson | Damn, I'd better submit the collection I've been building up. |
| 10:34.18 | Ry12 | whats knoppix based on, sarge or woody? |
| 10:34.28 | caphuso | Ry12: how would we know? |
| 10:34.36 | caphuso | #knoppix is over there -> |
| 10:34.39 | ricky_clarkson | Ry12: It's based on a CD. |
| 10:34.41 | Anders1 | :) |
| 10:34.55 | Ry12 | its on my hd |
| 10:35.19 | Overand | Ry12: it's based on packages from lots and lots of unofficial repositories, as well as some from sarge and some from sid |
| 10:35.39 | Ry12 | k |
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| 10:35.42 | Overand | installing knoppix to hd is 'like debian' but is *not* debian |
| 10:35.48 | Overand | your best bet is to do a proper debian install instead |
| 10:35.58 | Ry12 | why? |
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| 10:36.02 | Ry12 | i like knoppix |
| 10:36.03 | lexxan | Well I'm using the 2.6 kernel that is a package.. so shouldn't that include the modules? |
| 10:36.05 | Anders1 | because it's better Ry12 |
| 10:36.07 | Ry12 | i tried woody |
| 10:36.10 | Ketter | Ry12: then head over to #knoppix |
| 10:36.11 | Ry12 | why is it better |
| 10:36.11 | Anders1 | woody, lol |
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| 10:36.28 | Anders1 | Ry12, because it just is? what answer are you expecting in #debian |
| 10:36.36 | Overand | 'woody' is fairly dated, Ry12 |
| 10:36.38 | ricky_clarkson | Ry12: We're not here to discuss which OS is better. You could ask that in ##linux. |
| 10:36.41 | Overand | get the sarge netinstall cd, and try it |
| 10:36.42 | Anders1 | "debian sucks for everything, try knoppix" |
| 10:36.44 | Anders1 | not really ;p |
| 10:36.58 | ricky_clarkson | Ry12: Would you ask #french which was better, French or Spanish? |
| 10:37.06 | jethro | spanish! |
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| 10:37.15 | Anders1 | french! |
| 10:37.27 | Ketter | would go for Dutch.. anytime |
| 10:37.28 | ricky_clarkson | ¡español, claro! |
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| 10:37.30 | simonrvn | japanese! |
| 10:37.34 | Overand | Ry12: the reason i reccomend you use debian instead of knoppix is this: it *is* debian sort of, but it's a fragile debian with lots of odd packages that will slowly degrade and break as you use it and do apt-get upgrades |
| 10:37.45 | Overand | and also, the support in #debian is better =] |
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| 10:37.59 | Overand | the installation process for debian sarge is very straightforward |
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| 10:38.07 | Overand | and there are good packages for getting x11 running well |
| 10:38.09 | Overand | there's a list somewhere |
| 10:38.28 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah, I asked whether you can add users on Knoppix, in #knoppix, and there was no traffic for the hour that I idled there after asking. |
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| 10:38.35 | qwertz_ | I just want to have all directories without files tried "ls -d" but doesn't seem to be the proper way - any hints? |
| 10:39.17 | ricky_clarkson | qwertz_: The output from ls -l can be piped through grep, and you can use that to find empty directories. |
| 10:39.20 | Ry12 | ill jusdt wait till sarge is released |
| 10:39.32 | ricky_clarkson | Ry12: Just use it now. |
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| 10:39.45 | Overand | yeah, sarge is very usable at the moment |
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| 10:40.03 | Ry12 | id rather use knoppix for now |
| 10:40.04 | EvanCarroll | what is the program that echos a message to every terminal? |
| 10:40.10 | Ry12 | so i dont have to dl the whole OS |
| 10:40.11 | yogui | is it necessary to mount the floppy when i insert it ? |
| 10:40.11 | Overand | Ry12: that's totally your perogative |
| 10:40.13 | priest | how long will woody by supported with security updates now when sarge is freezed? |
| 10:40.14 | Overand | Ry12: net install |
| 10:40.15 | Overand | 100 megs |
| 10:40.20 | Overand | only downloads the packages you need |
| 10:40.22 | PerfDave | priest: A year, apparently. |
| 10:40.24 | ricky_clarkson | EvanCarroll: shutdown ;) |
| 10:40.27 | Overand | just, let me say from personal experience |
| 10:40.28 | simonrvn | priest: 6-12 months IIRC |
| 10:40.35 | ricky_clarkson | yogui: It's only necessary if you want to read or write the data on it. |
| 10:40.43 | Ry12 | what did u say the release date was for sarge? |
| 10:40.51 | PerfDave | Ry12: End of this month |
| 10:40.52 | Overand | if you're *not* extremelyt familiar with debian already, using an HD-install of knoppix for a long time will be *bad news* |
| 10:40.59 | EvanCarroll | ricky_clarkson: ... there is a gnu applet i believe that has the ability to send a message to every term as well |
| 10:41.00 | Overand | as you upgrade your packages, things *will* break |
| 10:41.06 | yogui | ricky-clarkson:ok |
| 10:41.12 | EvanCarroll | ricky_clarkson: liek shutdown but with out the side effect =D |
| 10:41.21 | simonrvn | EvanCarroll: wall |
| 10:41.21 | Ry12 | evan whats the worst that could happen? |
| 10:41.30 | EvanCarroll | simonrvn: Thanks!! |
| 10:41.32 | ricky_clarkson | EvanCarroll: echo something > /dev/tty0 |
| 10:41.54 | jm_ | Ry12: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html |
| 10:41.56 | simonrvn | echo "ok, you fuckers, get off the system, now" | wall # ;p |
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| 10:42.34 | qwertz_ | ricky_clarkson, so there's no option for ls for that? |
| 10:42.41 | Ry12 | im gona see how long i can go on knoppix before it "breaks" |
| 10:42.43 | simonrvn | qwertz_: man ls |
| 10:42.47 | EvanCarroll | do you have to restart for changes in inittab to take effect? |
| 10:42.56 | simonrvn | init q; init u |
| 10:42.58 | jm_ | qwertz_: ls *(/) in zsh |
| 10:43.09 | ricky_clarkson | qwertz_: There might be, I don't know. |
| 10:43.13 | jm_ | or -d *(/) rather |
| 10:43.18 | Overand | it can be done |
| 10:43.21 | Overand | it's silly though |
| 10:43.24 | jm_ | or just use find |
| 10:43.25 | Overand | there's a way using 'find' too |
| 10:43.26 | Overand | like |
| 10:43.39 | Overand | find without recursion with only-directory-types |
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| 10:43.49 | Overand | it's really funny how that *one* thing seems to hard to do |
| 10:43.56 | Overand | s/to/so |
| 10:44.05 | lexxan | Ok.. I took out my tvtuner and my soundcard worked fine after running alsaconf.. any idea how to make both work? |
| 10:44.08 | ricky_clarkson | I wouldn't find it tricky. ls | grep #move on |
| 10:44.25 | lexxan | sarge w/ Sblive & hauppuage pci tvtuner |
| 10:44.27 | idealbsd | i install qpopper to receive mail, must the mail host name be applied, my exim can't post mail to the same computer? |
| 10:44.31 | lexxan | 2.6 kernel |
| 10:45.31 | caphuso | idealbsd: try to rephrase in understandable english |
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| 10:46.04 | amorphix | greetings |
| 10:46.11 | Ry12 | if i just updated my sources file to backports would that stop it from breaking? |
| 10:46.36 | amorphix | backports arrgh |
| 10:46.38 | caphuso | Ry12: you can't expect debian packages to work on knoppix |
| 10:46.59 | PerfDave | Ry12: For Knoppix? No. Backports is for Debian woody, and you can't and shouldn't "update" to it. |
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| 10:47.03 | simonrvn | knoppix is knoppix ... debian is debian ... |
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| 10:47.15 | idealbsd | caphuso, sorry for my expression, i just mean must the mail host name be applied for some agency? |
| 10:47.21 | ricky_clarkson | amorphix: Is it hairy? |
| 10:47.33 | simonrvn | "oh, redhat and suse use rpms, couldn't i just upgrade my rh with suse rpms?".... same bad idea |
| 10:47.39 | amorphix | ricky_clarkson: it is on the back ;-) |
| 10:47.58 | caphuso | imagine that... a bunch of randomly assembled packages from all over the place and then you put more randomly assembled packages on top of it. welcome to deb hell... |
| 10:48.00 | qwertz_ | simonrvn, I took a look at the man page but found only the -d (and -D for emacs) option |
| 10:48.18 | amorphix | lookin for hairs on the back of your Palm is the first sign of madness |
| 10:48.34 | simonrvn | qwertz_: try the stuff jm_ and the others suggested |
| 10:49.01 | simonrvn | caphuso: exactly |
| 10:49.11 | amorphix | does anyone use Palm with Linux? |
| 10:49.27 | simonrvn | i'm sure many people do... |
| 10:49.41 | PerfDave | amorphix: Not yet |
| 10:49.44 | SlayerXP | amorphix: exactly 12 people dp. |
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| 10:49.47 | SlayerXP | err do |
| 10:49.49 | amorphix | PerfDave: you plan to? |
| 10:49.53 | coywolf | how to list diretories only? |
| 10:49.54 | ricky_clarkson | BANG! Make that 11. |
| 10:49.58 | PerfDave | amorphix: Yeah, when I get round to it. |
| 10:49.59 | amorphix | hehe |
| 10:50.03 | ricky_clarkson | coywolf: man find |
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| 10:50.29 | simonrvn | onoz!1! |
| 10:50.33 | coywolf | ricky_clarkson, and not recursively? |
| 10:50.37 | amorphix | I've just purchased a Palm IIIx which I hope to setup for Linux, I also have 2 WinCE PDA's but they wont talk to Linux I guess |
| 10:50.45 | simonrvn | -one-depth or somesuch |
| 10:50.52 | qwertz_ | simonrvn, jm_ "ls -d */" works, thanks for the suggestions |
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| 10:51.05 | jm_ | qwertz_: ahh forgot about that ;) |
| 10:51.11 | ricky_clarkson | coywolf: man find |
| 10:51.13 | zamfyii | ea care e roman de aici |
| 10:51.39 | Ry12 | so would ubunta be a better desktop OS than knoppix |
| 10:51.48 | caphuso | Ry12: we do not care |
| 10:51.52 | amorphix | whats wrong with Debian? |
| 10:52.14 | caphuso | please, don't make him use debian |
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| 10:52.20 | amorphix | lol |
| 10:53.18 | IDC | :) |
| 10:53.34 | IDC | debian improves a lot from woody |
| 10:53.37 | idealbsd | Ry12, them are different from orientation? knoppix is a livecd |
| 10:53.38 | simonrvn | Ry12: it's up to you what you want to use as a distro |
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| 10:54.23 | simonrvn | @lart bitchx /quit msgs |
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| 10:55.49 | irad | Is there any way to open a page like: 'www.edulect.co.il' with mozilla? i tried to open it with it, but it gives me blank page while i opened it with IE and it worked fine. |
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| 10:55.52 | doub | hi all |
| 10:56.39 | ernestovolonteri | bye |
| 10:56.54 | cheale1 | there's one thing I don't really understand about Sarge's current security. I read that "security now up", but also talking about the future "Security bugs will, however, not figure into this count for the most part because they can and will be fixed post-release." (from latest release update). is Sarge secure or not for now? and when will it be otherwise? |
| 10:57.17 | caphuso | cheal: it's starting to become secure from now on |
| 10:57.22 | cheal | ok |
| 10:57.44 | cheal | and it's expected to be secure a bit after its release? |
| 10:58.55 | simonrvn | i remember last time there was a release, i barely had any clue about linux, never mind debian |
| 10:58.56 | Guerin | cheal: given the speed with which the security team fizes holes, I'd not worry about it too much. |
| 10:59.03 | caphuso | cheal: it won't have any known problems by then |
| 10:59.36 | cheal | thanks Guerin and caphuso |
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| 11:01.44 | priest | someone who know what the next release will be called? |
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| 11:01.48 | simonrvn | etch |
| 11:01.49 | caphuso | etch |
| 11:01.53 | cheal | a last security question, about the kernels, I heard Sarge would release with some security issues because the kernel guys can't break the kernel's ABI due to d-i, but what will need to be done to have secure kernels before 3.1r1? |
| 11:01.54 | priest | haha |
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| 11:02.06 | Ry12 | now that sarge is frozen does sid become testing and they make a new unstable or will they make a new testing and sid stay unstable |
| 11:02.07 | priest | will it come directly when sarge is stable? |
| 11:02.19 | caphuso | Ry12: new testing |
| 11:02.22 | caphuso | cheal: huh? |
| 11:02.39 | ricky_clarkson | sid stays unstable. |
| 11:02.43 | Guerin | irad: there's so much ugly javascript in there I'm not surprised it doesn't work |
| 11:02.44 | yogui | why i can't mount a floppy ? |
| 11:02.51 | ricky_clarkson | yogui: Because you don't know how. |
| 11:02.51 | cheal | caphuso: did you hear about d-i's problems with new kernel SONAME-s? |
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| 11:02.57 | ricky_clarkson | I think the next testing is going to be called etch. |
| 11:02.58 | irad | Guerin: anything to do about it? |
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| 11:03.06 | caphuso | the kernel has SONAMEs? |
| 11:03.07 | blahdeblah | Hi. Can anyone tell me the canonical Debian way of adding a driver to the stock kernel? I want to use a Zoran card, but i don't want to mess with the rest of my kernel how can i do this? |
| 11:03.16 | simonrvn | bit slow today, ricky_clarkson ;) |
| 11:03.21 | Guerin | irad: you might try switching user-agent |
| 11:03.23 | yogui | ricky_clarkson:and could you help me ? |
| 11:03.23 | simonrvn | caphuso: news to me ;p |
| 11:03.27 | ricky_clarkson | yogui: man mount |
| 11:03.29 | irad | how do i do it? |
| 11:03.46 | Guerin | irad: but better to just email the webmaster and tell him what a worthless piece of shit site he has |
| 11:03.46 | cheal | caphuso: I mean the -2 part in kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 11:03.53 | yogui | ricky_clarkson:yep ... |
| 11:04.00 | irad | lol |
| 11:04.06 | simonrvn | that's not a soname |
| 11:04.08 | idealbsd | with a fixed ip address, can i setup a pop3 server without to apply for a mail host name from some agency? |
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| 11:04.23 | cheal | simonrvn: what is it? |
| 11:04.24 | Guerin | irad: in firefox, tools > extensions, then install user-agent switcher |
| 11:04.30 | caphuso | cheal: huh? |
| 11:04.37 | cheal | bah, nevermind |
| 11:04.38 | simonrvn | i don't know, but it sure as hell isn't a soname |
| 11:04.39 | Guerin | idealbsd: no, mail needs a dns name. |
| 11:04.49 | cheal | I also heard it called ABINAME |
| 11:04.50 | Guerin | idealbsd: you can get one free from almost anywhere |
| 11:04.51 | idealbsd | Guerin, thanks |
| 11:05.01 | amorphix | wasnt Zoran the bad guy from James Bond "View to a Kill" |
| 11:05.06 | simonrvn | like caphuso implied, the kernel doesn't do sonames |
| 11:05.16 | blahdeblah | amorphix: it's a video capture card |
| 11:05.31 | Guerin | idealbsd: well, actually... you can set up a POP3 server... but not a smtp server. |
| 11:05.32 | cheal | but the stock kernels... they have an ABI |
| 11:05.46 | amorphix | oh, Zoran is a real company..thats what why they put a disclaimer up at the end |
| 11:05.59 | blahdeblah | Huh? |
| 11:06.09 | amorphix | Zoran Industries |
| 11:06.11 | idealbsd | Guerin, exim works well in my debian sid so i want a pop3 server if possible, thanks again :) |
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| 11:06.42 | blahdeblah | Anyway, do you know how to make Zoran the evil video capture genius work with the stock Debian kernel? |
| 11:06.44 | amorphix | blahdeblah has an evil graphics card |
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| 11:06.57 | blahdeblah | video *capture* |
| 11:07.02 | Ry12 | whats the latest apt-getable kernel for sarge? |
| 11:07.07 | Zambba | How could I change my display resolution -> 1024x768 ? |
| 11:07.10 | doub | Guerin: you can also set up an smtp server. MX dns records are here "just in case" the A record is not the SMTP server |
| 11:07.13 | amorphix | hehe |
| 11:07.20 | blahdeblah | Ry12: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 11:07.33 | amorphix | blahdeblah: i have no clue, did you google for it? |
| 11:07.35 | Ry12 | i dont have sarge thats why im asking |
| 11:07.56 | blahdeblah | Ry12: What arch? |
| 11:08.10 | cheal | !tell Ry12 about pdo |
| 11:08.26 | cheal | Ry12: there are several kernels for most archs |
| 11:08.35 | cheal | s/these/there |
| 11:08.43 | blahdeblah | Ry12: i can see kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 in my list, but that could be from unstable... |
| 11:08.57 | cheal | that is from unstable |
| 11:09.08 | irad | what extension should i be use? |
| 11:09.12 | cheal | and I don't only mean subarchitectures |
| 11:09.20 | cheal | like i386 has both 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 11:09.25 | idealbsd | Guerin, sorry for my mistakes, i should mean smtp ;) |
| 11:09.41 | amorphix | how is it all howto's follow the same nice clean html format, clearly layed out using the same format? |
| 11:10.17 | simonrvn | they use what's called docbook IIRC |
| 11:10.18 | amorphix | good practices by Linux people |
| 11:10.25 | doub | amorphix: they are all using the same base format, a SGML doc |
| 11:10.26 | amorphix | oh |
| 11:10.38 | Gathond | amorphix: they are propaply all written in docbook or latex or similar and then converted to html for presentation |
| 11:10.46 | doub | amorphix: which is processed to produce html, pdf... |
| 11:10.48 | xoz | amorphix: dtd or xml stylesheet |
| 11:10.55 | amorphix | it looks good |
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| 11:11.00 | Ry12 | cheal: The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it. |
| 11:11.10 | simonrvn | sgml, not xml, which is a sub-format like html is |
| 11:11.25 | Guerin | arr, i'm not getting the --exclude rules of rsync. |
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| 11:11.50 | simonrvn | probably because of the freeze |
| 11:11.55 | yogui | ricky_clarkson:end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy),sector 0 What is it ? |
| 11:12.02 | simonrvn | bad floppy |
| 11:12.04 | cheal | Ry12: what do you mean? |
| 11:12.06 | doub | idealbsd: you can register your IP address to any free DNS hosting (www.dyndns.org for example), and from that set up your SMTP, POP3 or whatever server |
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| 11:12.37 | crashbg | how can i view the cpu speed with 2.2/2.4 kernels? |
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| 11:12.43 | doub | idealbsd: that wont provide you with a neat domain name, you'll have to pay for that |
| 11:12.45 | caphuso | crashbg: /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:13.11 | Guerin | with rsync --relative, how do I exclude an entire dir and everything in it? using --excluse home/*/beats/* |
| 11:13.13 | idealbsd | doub, thanks a lot ^_^ |
| 11:13.14 | Guerin | gah |
| 11:13.27 | Guerin | doesn't leave it out |
| 11:13.39 | crashbg | caphuso, thanks |
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| 11:14.14 | Zambba | Is "kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7" the right kernel for me when I have AMD Duron 1000 ? |
| 11:14.30 | cheal | !k7 |
| 11:14.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
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| 11:15.01 | Guerin | simonrvn: already dead. That's why I have to type :( |
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| 11:15.13 | Zambba | Is it easy to install with apt-get? I couldn't install it from source when I one tried :( |
| 11:15.17 | Zambba | I'm so stupid |
| 11:15.31 | cheal | you mean compile it? |
| 11:15.42 | Zambba | yea, I think so |
| 11:16.11 | cheal | yes it's easy |
| 11:16.28 | Guerin | Zambba: apt-get install packageyouwant |
| 11:16.50 | Overand | example: apt-get install figlet |
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| 11:17.15 | Zambba | Okey, installing kernel with apt-get is as easy as installing any other program with apt-get? :) |
| 11:17.22 | Guerin | yes |
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| 11:18.02 | Zambba | Do I have to restart? yes? |
| 11:18.11 | Chameleon22 | what group would I need to add a low previlage user to so they can mount mp3 player (that is how can i add my self to a group so i can mount my mp3 player without needing to su or sudo)? |
| 11:18.16 | Guerin | for a new kernel? yes. Otherwise? No. |
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| 11:18.30 | doub | Zambba: how do you define "easy" ? that's pretty subjective |
| 11:18.42 | Guerin | Chameleon22: man fstab; look at 'user' |
| 11:18.56 | Chameleon22 | Guerin: thank you |
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| 11:19.23 | doub | Zambba: but that's not much of a pain, anyway |
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| 11:19.53 | Zambba | synaptic is now loading the kernel |
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| 11:20.55 | Zambba | Hey what is the best way to reconfigure X in Debian? I got a bigger display to my computer and I'd like to use better resolution now |
| 11:21.00 | doub | Chameleon22: it depends on your setup, if you have some auto-mounting scheme or not |
| 11:21.10 | cheal | !drxx Zambba |
| 11:21.11 | dpkg | Zambba: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 11:21.14 | doub | Chameleon22: by default only root can mount those |
| 11:21.23 | Chameleon22 | thats cool looking into it now, will come back if i cant figure it out |
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| 11:21.43 | Chameleon22 | on that note, any one knows of a nice GUI app for iriver mp3 player for linux? |
| 11:22.03 | Guerin | Chameleon22: if it mounts as usb mass storage, xterm is a pretty good gui for it |
| 11:22.21 | Troy^ | hod many cds is debain? |
| 11:22.22 | Ry12 | whatsa good gnutella client for linux |
| 11:22.41 | Guerin | Troy^: 14 binary, 14 source |
| 11:22.51 | xoz | gnutella-gtk |
| 11:22.57 | Troy^ | ? |
| 11:23.06 | Guerin | Troy^: you think I'm joking, but I'm not. |
| 11:23.13 | doub | Guerin: you're good at fuzzy logic, aren't you ? |
| 11:23.26 | Troy^ | 14cds? |
| 11:23.28 | PerfDave | Troy^: Depends which branch of Debian. You don't need all the CDs, though - you can netinstall. |
| 11:23.41 | Guerin | Troy^: 28. |
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| 11:23.43 | idealbsd | when build gvidcap to deb package, the execute file (gvidcap) will not be included in deb file when i use dh_make to produce rules file, in order to include the gvidcap file to deb file, must i add line in debian/rules "cp bin/gvidcap xxx/usr/bin"? |
| 11:23.48 | Guerin | doub: ? |
| 11:23.53 | priest | will sarge be released on dvd, official? |
| 11:23.59 | Troy^ | 28cds so debian wants me to burn 28cds? |
| 11:24.03 | Guerin | Troy^: no. |
| 11:24.08 | Guerin | !d-i Troy^ |
| 11:24.09 | dpkg | Troy^, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:24.20 | Guerin | Troy^: you asked how many cds it was, not how to install it. |
| 11:24.21 | PerfDave | priest: I'm sure you'll be able to obtain Sarge on DVD from somewhere like Linux Emporium. |
| 11:24.27 | Gathond | idealbsd: if the build process does not have a make install part that copies the file for you you might have to |
| 11:24.28 | doub | Guerin: you seem to guess what's not in the questions some people ask |
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| 11:24.39 | Guerin | doub: unspecific questions get unspecific answers. |
| 11:24.59 | idealbsd | Gathond, thanks |
| 11:25.00 | rafx | why bother burning cd beyond the first 1-2? |
| 11:25.02 | priest | PerfDave: i mean, if it will be relead on dvd-iso, to download |
| 11:25.04 | simonrvn | !annoy doub |
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| 11:25.11 | Guerin | rafx: no reason. |
| 11:25.18 | Troy^ | well hmm lol nown ur cunfusing me |
| 11:25.22 | Troy^ | know* |
| 11:25.30 | Guerin | Troy^: itym 'now' |
| 11:25.34 | doub | rafx: maybe if you're on a off-line server, or something like that |
| 11:25.36 | Guerin | and 'you're' |
| 11:25.37 | simonrvn | um cufuzed two, lolz |
| 11:25.42 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 11:25.48 | PerfDave | rafx: Or if you have shit-slow bandwidth. |
| 11:26.14 | Troy^ | so netinstall would be the best right? |
| 11:26.14 | ok023 | bu |
| 11:26.20 | Crasp | hmm is this the correct place to ask about a question with makejail and apache2? |
| 11:26.21 | PerfDave | priest: Either DVD ISO, or just jigdo to create an ISO. |
| 11:26.24 | rafx | but if you have the isos already, just make the packages available locally without burnin |
| 11:26.26 | Guerin | PerfDave: not a good enough reason, since the likelihood of most people needing anything off cds 4-14 is pretty minimal |
| 11:26.28 | PerfDave | Troy^: Depends on your definition of "best". |
| 11:26.28 | streuner | Troy^: yes |
| 11:26.37 | streuner | !d-i |
| 11:26.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 11:26.45 | PerfDave | Guerin: But CD-Rs are cheap. |
| 11:26.47 | halo123 | ok023 is big baby |
| 11:27.00 | Guerin | PerfDave: but time isn't. |
| 11:27.06 | Troy^ | why is debian so big lol? |
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| 11:27.14 | Guerin | (despite what #debian's logs might say) |
| 11:27.18 | PerfDave | Troy^: Because it's great. |
| 11:27.20 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 11:27.20 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 11:27.28 | PerfDave | Guerin: Bah, it doesn't take long to download 14 .torrents to a machine with reasonable bandwidth ;) |
| 11:27.40 | streuner | Guerin: http://radio.c64.org:8000/ |
| 11:27.43 | Guerin | PerfDave: i was thinking about burning them :) |
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| 11:28.17 | Guerin | fucking fucking fuck |
| 11:28.18 | Troy^ | ok one more question am i download the right architexture file im downloading the i386 and i have a amd k6-2 is that right? |
| 11:28.18 | rafx | is the reason for keeping libapache2-mod-fastcgi from sarge purely political? |
| 11:28.24 | PerfDave | Guerin: *shrug* Have a wank while you're doing it ;) |
| 11:28.26 | PerfDave | Troy^: Yes |
| 11:28.33 | Guerin | PerfDave: or 100 |
| 11:28.39 | Guerin | mind you |
| 11:28.46 | PerfDave | Guerin: Dude, you need a faster CD-R, or to get less excited. |
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| 11:29.00 | Guerin | 5 minutes per cd * 14 cds... |
| 11:29.03 | s-toned | on my sarge ystem: sylpheed and coriander run with tiny (hardly readable) fonts, while gimp and gedit run with readable fonts |
| 11:29.04 | PerfDave | !why is libapache2-mod-fastcgi not in testing |
| 11:29.04 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-fastcgi is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
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| 11:29.20 | lampu | @find debian |
| 11:29.26 | Troy^ | wow i would never burn 14cds wow thats going to take a huge ass time to download with netinstall lol |
| 11:29.29 | lampu | scuse me |
| 11:29.40 | lampu | where can i download debian? |
| 11:29.44 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 11:29.54 | streuner | Troy^: so use d-i |
| 11:29.58 | Guerin | Troy^: 90% or more of the packages in debian you'll never even know about, much less use |
| 11:30.02 | streuner | !d-i |
| 11:30.02 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 11:30.14 | nksen | possible to use kaffee with firefox? |
| 11:30.15 | rafx | PerfDave: do a quick scan here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 11:30.19 | s-toned | is there some other place for the fonts than gtkrc? |
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| 11:30.25 | lampu | thank |
| 11:30.25 | Troy^ | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ <------- which manual should i use for the i386 archetexture? |
| 11:30.35 | nksen | kaffe I mean |
| 11:30.53 | PerfDave | Troy^: "intel x86" |
| 11:30.58 | lampu | i'm find debian for dvd |
| 11:31.00 | Troy^ | but i dont have a intel |
| 11:31.02 | Troy^ | ? |
| 11:31.12 | simonrvn | s/intel/inhel/ |
| 11:31.35 | PerfDave | Troy^: Doesn't matter, you have an Intel x86-compatiable chip |
| 11:31.40 | lampu | i have used |
| 11:31.40 | Crasp | hmm why does apt-get install apache2-mpm-perchild remove my libapache2-mod-php4 and install libapache-mod-php4 instead? |
| 11:31.43 | lampu | jigdo |
| 11:31.43 | streuner | Troy^: if you don't know it, intel x86 is the right one |
| 11:31.54 | lampu | but a i can't download it |
| 11:32.06 | luulis | nksen: there is a plugin for it but its unsecure since it doesnt do any sandboxing IIRC, its called gcjwebplugin. |
| 11:32.07 | PerfDave | rafx: What am I looking for? |
| 11:32.17 | PerfDave | !tell lampu -about enter |
| 11:32.23 | lampu | can you help me? |
| 11:32.31 | Troy^ | kok |
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| 11:32.36 | simonrvn | Crasp: because you let it |
| 11:32.54 | Crasp | simonrvn: but why does it install apache1 stuff? is that compatible with apache2? |
| 11:32.54 | lampu | !tell |
| 11:32.58 | nksen | luulis: oh yes, i remember. thx! |
| 11:33.19 | lampu | !tell debian |
| 11:33.31 | simonrvn | lampu: www.debian.org |
| 11:33.45 | rafx | PerfDave: maintainer asked for help 140+ days ago to move package from unstable to testing. 0 outstanding bugs the entire time. was wondering if lack of help was political (dislike for licensing, etc.) |
| 11:34.13 | PerfDave | rafx: 12:29 < dpkg> libapache2-mod-fastcgi is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 11:34.15 | lampu | yes but i can't download winth jigdo |
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| 11:34.43 | simonrvn | ... |
| 11:34.44 | lampu | i'm find a iso for dvd |
| 11:35.27 | PerfDave | !it |
| 11:35.27 | dpkg | from memory, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 11:35.35 | SlayerXP | !d-i lampu |
| 11:35.36 | dpkg | lampu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:36.18 | hac | Where I can get a gtk frontend for Zsnes? |
| 11:36.21 | lampu | !d-i |
| 11:36.21 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 11:36.29 | SlayerXP | hac: from the internet |
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| 11:37.28 | hac | SlayerXP: im searching but I have not found nothing |
| 11:37.38 | SlayerXP | hac: maybe one doesn't exist. |
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| 11:38.10 | hac | SlayerXP: :/ the znes gui is too crappy |
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| 11:38.59 | SlayerXP | hac: is that debian's fault? |
| 11:39.31 | nmbntz | What's the proper way, if anyone knows, to downgrade my mysql installation? I got smart, and installed a non-debian packaged version, now i want to downgrade back to 4.1; Man page says "apt-get install mysql-server [followed by an equals sign, and version number], but i'm not sure what "the version number is... i keep getting, "unable to find version xyz" |
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| 11:39.49 | PerfDave | nmbntz: What version did you install? |
| 11:40.08 | hac | SlayerXP: no,in win the gui is the same...but in win u can use many frontends |
| 11:40.40 | Crasp | perhaps you should stick with win then ;) |
| 11:40.43 | nmbntz | PerfDave, i've got the 4.1.5-1 packaged by dotdeb, i want 4.1.11 from deb archives. |
| 11:40.59 | PerfDave | nmbntz: Surely that's an upgrade to Debian's version, not a downgrade? |
| 11:41.05 | PerfDave | 4.1.11 > 4.1.5 and all |
| 11:41.20 | nmbntz | AH! got it. |
| 11:41.31 | kingsley | Does something like "apt-get install --suggests" exist? |
| 11:41.49 | nmbntz | apt-get install mysql-server-4.1=4.1.11-2 bingo. |
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| 11:41.52 | Crasp | hac: try snes9x, i myself think it's better than zsnes |
| 11:42.12 | nmbntz | i forgot 3.x is still in there; i had been trying: apt-get install mysql-server=4.1.11-2 |
| 11:42.47 | caphuso | kingsley: it's called aptitude |
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| 11:43.07 | Hi-Fi | any1 who knows howto allow access via ssh to only certain folders, thatwise users that join to ssh only see that folder as their home [heard that could be done with fakeroot, but how??] |
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| 11:43.35 | kingsley | caphuso: Thanks. |
| 11:43.35 | nmbntz | PerfDave, something about that dotdeb version was overriding the debian verison. dunno. fixed, anyway. |
| 11:43.36 | caphuso | Hi-Fi: google for "ssh chroot" |
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| 11:44.11 | Hi-Fi | thanks =) |
| 11:44.11 | Hi-Fi | \o |
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| 11:45.19 | hac | Crasp: it works so bad..i prefer zsnes ;) |
| 11:45.25 | IDC | which command to reset timezone and local time ?with the new kernel its changed for unknow reason |
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| 11:49.46 | Guerin | ok, what the fuck |
| 11:50.06 | Guerin | something is screwy with rsnapshot's --exclude="" handling |
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| 11:52.33 | hail04 | I have an old DEC Prioris 5166 that I would like to get Debian running on...it is all SCSI...is it possible to boot and install to a machine like this with just the standard ISO image burnt? |
| 11:52.46 | SlayerXP | !d-i hail04 |
| 11:52.47 | dpkg | hail04, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:52.56 | wooden | how to watch tv with mplayer? |
| 11:53.07 | SlayerXP | wooden: mplayer is not in debian |
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| 11:53.41 | caphuso | mplayer -tv appropriateoptions tv://channel |
| 11:54.00 | einsteinmg | hmmmmm 2.6.11.7 has problems with ext3 on linux software raid1 |
| 11:54.20 | einsteinmg | one oops after another and many lost files :( |
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| 11:55.40 | wooden | caphuso: is there a good gui for mplayer? |
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| 11:55.58 | wooden | to watch tv |
| 11:56.01 | SlayerXP | einsteinmg: just restore from your backup |
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| 11:56.30 | einsteinmg | SlayerXP: jea, no problems... but before i'll reformat with xfs ;) |
| 11:56.33 | caphuso | wooden: no |
| 11:56.50 | einsteinmg | ext3 has too manny problems with kernel 2.6.11 and above |
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| 11:58.05 | caphuso | I used ramdisk as an ext3 journal and mount ext3 file system with option data=journal. It worked fine and speedup the ext3 file system. |
| 11:58.19 | caphuso | how FUCKING stupid |
| 11:58.53 | TinoW | caphuso: hehe |
| 11:59.05 | einsteinmg | why to use an journal then? |
| 11:59.49 | SlayerXP | caphuso: bwahaha. where did you get that from? |
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| 12:00.04 | caphuso | SlayerXP: LKML |
| 12:00.07 | asuffield | I bet it was a gentoo user |
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| 12:00.28 | SlayerXP | caphuso: url? |
| 12:00.47 | SlayerXP | or not made the archive yet? |
| 12:00.52 | caphuso | SlayerXP: nntp://localhost/ :-P |
| 12:00.58 | SlayerXP | ah |
| 12:01.00 | caphuso | SlayerXP: it's an older one |
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| 12:01.35 | caphuso | From: Xin Zhao <uszhaoxin@gmail.com>, Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:22:29 -0400, Subject: Ext3+ramdisk journaling problem |
| 12:01.54 | simonrvn | oi vey... |
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| 12:03.00 | SlayerXP | "you're a fucking muppet" would seem to be an appropriate response |
| 12:03.12 | Zambba | One more stupid question: How can I restart X? |
| 12:03.59 | Othello | Ctl-Alt-Backspace |
| 12:04.26 | Zambba | Oh my god, was it that easy?! :D |
| 12:04.27 | tarzeau | Othello: that'll only restart it if he's got a display manager |
| 12:04.27 | caphuso | Zambba: click the log out button or menu entry of your window manager/desktop environment |
| 12:04.48 | tarzeau | Zambba: it might have not worked if zapping was turned off |
| 12:04.51 | caphuso | and don't use ctrl-alt-backspace unless you have to |
| 12:04.58 | Othello | lol |
| 12:04.59 | Othello | yeah |
| 12:05.08 | caphuso | it's not a proper shutdown of the X session |
| 12:05.13 | Othello | ok ok |
| 12:05.15 | Zambba | I just reconfigured my X |
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| 12:05.22 | Zambba | that's why I did it |
| 12:05.27 | Othello | I thought he wanted to restart because he's stuck |
| 12:05.40 | Zambba | And I tried to Logout from KDE but it didn't restart the X. |
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| 12:05.57 | eskaypey | hey where i can find xfree86 config file because it doesnt list PS/2 |
| 12:06.11 | SpaceLobster | how can I find what device is on block (3,1)? |
| 12:07.06 | Guerin | eskaypey: yes it does. |
| 12:07.11 | Guerin | !drxx eskaypey |
| 12:07.13 | dpkg | eskaypey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 12:08.42 | eskaypey | dpkg: yes, ive done that and it doesnt list PS/2 |
| 12:08.44 | Zambba | hmm now my mouse is behaving weirdly :S |
| 12:09.36 | Guerin | eskaypey: yes, it fucking well does |
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| 12:10.19 | eskaypey | Guerin: lol why would i lye |
| 12:11.06 | Guerin | eskaypey: i'm not sure, why would you? |
| 12:11.19 | eskaypey | lol hang on .. i got it |
| 12:12.14 | Overand | yikes |
| 12:12.20 | Overand | eskaypey: did i tell you that a guy named eskay on efnet killed himself? |
| 12:12.26 | Overand | i'm sure i did |
| 12:12.39 | eskaypey | what u serious |
| 12:12.43 | eskaypey | what happened |
| 12:12.43 | Overand | Yeah. |
| 12:12.46 | Overand | Eh... |
| 12:13.17 | eskaypey | shit im changing my nick |
| 12:13.17 | Overand | trash bag filled with nitrous oxide over his head... |
| 12:13.17 | Overand | he aspyxiated |
| 12:13.17 | Overand | (obviously) |
| 12:13.21 | eskaypey | how come he killed himself? |
| 12:13.26 | Overand | I don't know. |
| 12:13.30 | Zambba | What do I have to say to "dpkg reconf. xserver-xfree86" for my mouse settings when I have a USB mouse? |
| 12:13.32 | Anthro | Sounds more like an accident to me. |
| 12:13.45 | Overand | Anthro: eh. |
| 12:13.50 | Overand | It takes a lot of effort to do what he did |
| 12:14.09 | Guerin | Anthro: making a seal strong enough that he can't rip it off sure sounds accidental to me |
| 12:14.17 | Overand | well |
| 12:14.27 | ricky_clarkson | He never told me he killed himself. |
| 12:14.35 | Overand | people do accidentally aspyxiate themseles with nitrous with some regularity |
| 12:14.37 | jharrisonwk | Zambba: you dont if your mouse is configured for usb mouse |
| 12:14.46 | Overand | but the general consensus amongst his friends and family is that it was suiide |
| 12:14.55 | Anthro | Overand: It's stupidly easy to asphyxiate on nitrous. It sounds like he was trying to economize on nitrous and forgot that he needs some oxygen from time to time. |
| 12:14.55 | ricky_clarkson | Swede? |
| 12:15.06 | eskaypey | yeah but why? did he live a note or something |
| 12:15.06 | Overand | Anthro: i disagree. |
| 12:15.12 | Overand | eskaypey: hey may have |
| 12:15.19 | Overand | that i'm unsure of |
| 12:15.21 | cahoot | Overand: hard to suicide with any regularity I'd say |
| 12:15.27 | simonrvn | ugh, html email and M$hit .doc attachment.... *SHUDDER* |
| 12:15.28 | Overand | cahoot... |
| 12:15.34 | Overand | i mean that people die like that fairly often |
| 12:15.36 | Overand | =P |
| 12:15.42 | ricky_clarkson | eskaypey: No, but he had a custom gravestone: http://www.pair-annoyed.com:9090/images/LogInImages/connection-reset-by-peer.jpg |
| 12:15.46 | Overand | heh |
| 12:16.03 | torbjorn | he might have killed the note aswell when he was at it |
| 12:16.31 | jharrisonwk | why would someone put a bag of nitrous over their head anyways |
| 12:16.37 | eskaypey | haha |
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| 12:16.53 | eskaypey | jharrisonwk: to kill themselves? |
| 12:16.58 | hail04 | you know what....giving someone sonething and telling them to find out theirselves doesnt always work |
| 12:17.07 | SlayerXP | jharrison: better than being handed a network of Windows 95 computers to maintain |
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| 12:17.50 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - does anybody know of a graphical/easy cli avi>video dvd creator thats available through apt? |
| 12:18.24 | tarzeau | Super_Cat_Frog: apt-cache search ? |
| 12:18.26 | ricky_clarkson | Can I make my computer into a dial-up ISP and have it call me back when I call it so that I get free Internet access? ;) |
| 12:18.29 | jharrisonwk | I guess |
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| 12:18.44 | jharrisonwk | I thought maybe people get high that way or something also |
| 12:18.48 | ricky_clarkson | .. it's a work computer - I mean for it to call me at home.. |
| 12:19.00 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: hahaha |
| 12:19.57 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: why not? |
| 12:20.13 | ricky_clarkson | Because I'm ignorant. |
| 12:20.29 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: write some script to do it for you |
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| 12:20.34 | ricky_clarkson | I don't know how. |
| 12:20.44 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: are you serious? |
| 12:20.47 | ricky_clarkson | Vaguely. |
| 12:20.56 | jharrisonwk | I thought so |
| 12:21.01 | ricky_clarkson | I don't want to spend lots of time on it, just wondering how difficult it would be. |
| 12:21.19 | jharrisonwk | does not sound like it would be too difficult |
| 12:21.25 | jharrisonwk | not that I am capable to do it |
| 12:21.27 | ricky_clarkson | Using what tools? |
| 12:21.32 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
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| 12:21.41 | jharrisonwk | you are running debian at work right? |
| 12:21.48 | ricky_clarkson | Yes, and at home. |
| 12:21.52 | jharrisonwk | ok |
| 12:21.54 | Anthro | jharrisonwk: Yes, nitrous oxide is also known as laughing gas, and is often used as (sort of) an anaesthetic by dentists. Mind you, when used properly there is sufficient oxygen in the mix that the patient does not asphyxiate. If you have a desire to experience this high, you can ask your friendly dentist (mine never used it, just novacaine), or purchase some canned whipped cream and suck out the propellant. As long as you don't d |
| 12:21.54 | Anthro | eprive yourself of oxygen, it's safe. |
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| 12:22.32 | ricky_clarkson | Anthro: Do you not get some kind of warning that you're asphyxiating? |
| 12:22.38 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: what kind of connection did you say? dial up? |
| 12:22.43 | ricky_clarkson | Yes. |
| 12:23.08 | jharrisonwk | I rather smoke a big one |
| 12:23.17 | dfzi | dogs fucking the pope. no fault of mine. |
| 12:23.18 | jharrisonwk | or eat a tasty brownie |
| 12:23.26 | jharrisonwk | or drink some roots wine |
| 12:23.33 | Anthro | ricky_clarkson: You will pass out before you actually die, so if you don't do something stupid like strap on a mask or put a bag over your head it won't kill you, but you can deprive your brain of oxygen for long enough before that to do damage. |
| 12:23.45 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: why dont you vpn in at work? |
| 12:23.52 | jharrisonwk | oh wait |
| 12:23.56 | jharrisonwk | free internet |
| 12:23.58 | jharrisonwk | thats right |
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| 12:24.20 | EL_Chupanibre | the safe way to do it is put it in a balloon and suck on the ballon...not directly from the gas cylinder |
| 12:24.22 | drcodedd2 | hi all |
| 12:24.30 | drcodedd2 | any one can please help me with openvpn ? |
| 12:24.41 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: I've got some more pressing problems to sort out first - I've never used the modem on the home machine. |
| 12:24.51 | drcodedd2 | I have some iptable prob |
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| 12:25.33 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: what kind of connection do you have at home normally? |
| 12:25.49 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: None. |
| 12:25.56 | jharrisonwk | I rather smoke some crack |
| 12:26.04 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: you have NO internet at home? |
| 12:26.06 | ricky_clarkson | I need to add a password to the root account first, too. |
| 12:26.08 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: That's right. |
| 12:26.13 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: and you live in the UK right? |
| 12:26.14 | Guerin | why? |
| 12:26.18 | ricky_clarkson | Yes, jharrisonwk . |
| 12:26.24 | drcodedd2 | any idea? |
| 12:26.26 | Delph | ricky_clarkson: you should be able to bind a shell script to be run when the modem gets called, and that can do a sleep (large n); then start up dialing home. then all you need to do is have the LAN routable over that. |
| 12:26.31 | jharrisonwk | so why is the bahamas considered a 3rd world country then |
| 12:26.43 | jharrisonwk | everyone here has internet at home just about |
| 12:26.46 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: I *can* have Internet access at home, I just don't. |
| 12:26.54 | Guerin | i'm getting the feeling he has a reason |
| 12:26.55 | jharrisonwk | ok |
| 12:26.59 | jharrisonwk | yeah |
| 12:27.08 | jharrisonwk | it probably costs like 2 billion euros a year or something |
| 12:27.10 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: I share a house with other people, one phone line, and to be honest I'm not even at home often. |
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| 12:27.14 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: We don't have Euros. |
| 12:27.25 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: pounds then |
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| 12:27.36 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: so all you have available is dsl? |
| 12:27.38 | ricky_clarkson | We have real money. Pounds. High-class, high-value. |
| 12:27.45 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: DSL and dial-up, afaik. |
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| 12:27.50 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: yeah euros suck |
| 12:27.55 | simonrvn | money isn't real anymore ;) |
| 12:28.00 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
| 12:28.05 | ikonia | hello all |
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| 12:28.06 | jharrisonwk | simonrvn: yeah |
| 12:28.17 | jharrisonwk | simonrvn: canadian money isnt |
| 12:28.20 | ricky_clarkson | That's what the Yankees say, yeah. |
| 12:28.20 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
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| 12:29.09 | jharrisonwk | dial up scares me |
| 12:29.25 | jharrisonwk | the slow speeds, the possibility of a disconnection |
| 12:29.29 | jharrisonwk | its just too stressful |
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| 12:29.53 | threat | hi |
| 12:29.59 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
| 12:30.05 | ikonia | I'm considering using debian as a base for a htpc. I've been reading mixed reviews on sarge and I was wondering if I could get some impressions of people who have been using it a little more than 10 minutes. |
| 12:30.07 | jharrisonwk | i have always been told to follow the WhiteRabbit |
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| 12:30.19 | mardi_soir_ | mardi_soir_, sdz |
| 12:30.24 | ikonia | I'd also be interested in how far people thing sarge is away from a "stable" release |
| 12:30.24 | jharrisonwk | ikonia: mixed reviews? |
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| 12:30.50 | ikonia | jharrisonwk yes, a lot of people syaing its good, a few saying its unstable, a few saying no point in not using woody |
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| 12:30.56 | SlayerXP | ikonia: this far <-------------> (not to scale0 |
| 12:30.56 | ikonia | just general mixed opinions |
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| 12:31.00 | tarzeau | ikonia: what's htpc? |
| 12:31.03 | jharrisonwk | ikonia: http://lwn.net/Articles/134531/ |
| 12:31.11 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hi |
| 12:31.12 | tarzeau | ikonia: very near |
| 12:31.13 | ikonia | SlayerXP what scale is that on ? |
| 12:31.16 | tarzeau | hi jharrisonwk |
| 12:31.26 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I had some tasty pizza last night |
| 12:31.29 | threat | My ppp0 interface doesn't seem to reconnect on disconnect, I have persist and maxfail 0 set in my peers, I involk the connection via the ifupdown scripts, however they dont seem to bring the connection back up when it dies, pon seems to work although I understand pon has been depresiated |
| 12:31.34 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: probably not as good as yours though ;) |
| 12:31.34 | ikonia | from my readings and a few people I've spoke to I think it appears a pretty acceptable distro |
| 12:31.36 | SlayerXP | ikonia: whichever you like. |
| 12:31.46 | jharrisonwk | ikonia: pretty acceptable? |
| 12:31.49 | ikonia | jharrisonwk reading the url now |
| 12:32.02 | Anthro | ikonia: You want a quick answer? Use sarge. |
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| 12:32.02 | jharrisonwk | look |
| 12:32.05 | jharrisonwk | debian is the only real distro ok |
| 12:32.05 | ricky_clarkson | ikonia: It's pretty difficult for a line to be not to scale. |
| 12:32.07 | jharrisonwk | everything else sucks |
| 12:32.08 | ikonia | jharrisonwk yes, good choice of package/packages version etc |
| 12:32.14 | ricky_clarkson | SlayerXP: It's pretty difficult for a line to be not to scale. |
| 12:32.21 | threat | jharrisonwk, no Ubuntu is :P *hides* |
| 12:32.22 | jharrisonwk | if you want to waste a bunch of time running around trying other distros fine |
| 12:32.25 | ikonia | Anthro its on my list to evaluate |
| 12:32.39 | jharrisonwk | but you will be back to debian eventually after you figure out how bad all other distros suck |
| 12:32.43 | jharrisonwk | its your choise |
| 12:32.45 | jharrisonwk | choice |
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| 12:32.57 | jharrisonwk | time is too precious for me |
| 12:32.57 | ricky_clarkson | ikonia: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 12:33.14 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: hehe |
| 12:33.16 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: And.... relax. |
| 12:33.23 | jharrisonwk | im relaxed |
| 12:33.26 | ikonia | jharrisonwk not at all, I've used a wide varity of distros and used potatoe a fair bit a while ago. I'm not sure why I moved away from debian or why I've not revisited for such a long period |
| 12:33.42 | jharrisonwk | ikonia: you should ponder such things |
| 12:33.47 | Guerin | !potatoe |
| 12:33.47 | dpkg | IT'S POTATO DAMMIT!! P-O-T-A-T-O!!, or please learn to spell better than Dan Quayle |
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| 12:33.52 | pzn | OT Hi! does anyone knows the shell utility to tell me the length of every line of a text file? or the longest line only also will be useful... |
| 12:33.56 | ikonia | hence why its back on the list to evaluate |
| 12:33.56 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 12:34.03 | ikonia | no point staying away for no reason |
| 12:34.10 | Guerin | !awk cheats |
| 12:34.10 | dpkg | i guess awk cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt |
| 12:34.12 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i had of these on my pizza (sliced of course): http://www.afyon.gov.tr/markalar/img/sucuk.jpg |
| 12:34.12 | priest | who is dan quayle? :S |
| 12:34.13 | Guerin | pzn: ^^ |
| 12:34.21 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: did you see my goatse rip offs? |
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| 12:34.25 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: that's also great in toast! |
| 12:34.29 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: sure |
| 12:34.29 | ikonia | Guerin typo sorry |
| 12:34.36 | threat | goatse :/ |
| 12:34.37 | doub | !dan quayle |
| 12:34.38 | Xteven | j de actuele gids. |
| 12:34.46 | Guerin | pzn: he's a failed US VP candidate who spelt potato potatoe in front of a whole class of kids while on campaign |
| 12:34.53 | Guerin | ikonia: sure, buddy. |
| 12:34.58 | jharrisonwk | threat: mmmmm |
| 12:35.05 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: mmmmmm |
| 12:35.05 | ikonia | ehh ? |
| 12:35.06 | LordFrith | Guerin: Not failed. |
| 12:35.08 | doub | priest: the mistery remains |
| 12:35.10 | jharrisonwk | threat: wrong nick |
| 12:35.16 | jharrisonwk | threat: and ubuntu?!? |
| 12:35.19 | LordFrith | Guerin: He actually was VP. |
| 12:35.37 | threat | jharrisonwk, are you going to make a suggestion to help me with ppp0 reconnect thingy :) |
| 12:35.38 | doub | priest: will we ever know? such a suspense is hard to cope with |
| 12:35.41 | LordFrith | Guerin: The misspell didn't happen on the campaign. |
| 12:35.46 | chrysopa | hill, how to change the port that rsync use with ssh? |
| 12:35.58 | Guerin | LordFrith: wow, how wrong was I :) |
| 12:35.58 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: these are great also: sweet and light honey balls: http://turkishfood_yemektarifleri.sitemynet.com/mynet_resimlerim/lokma_tatlisi.jpg |
| 12:36.01 | chrysopa | How to change the port that rsync use with ssh? |
| 12:36.01 | jharrisonwk | hhmmmm |
| 12:36.17 | chrysopa | The man dont say it |
| 12:36.17 | Guerin | chrysopa: it's detailed in the rsync manual |
| 12:36.26 | jharrisonwk | threat: im trying |
| 12:36.28 | chrysopa | I dont find it im man |
| 12:36.30 | LordFrith | Quayle was the VP for George Bush, and his bigest gaffe at the time came from a quote about Murphy Brown taken out of context. |
| 12:36.31 | jharrisonwk | threat: I dont know much about dial up |
| 12:36.34 | threat | jharrisonwk, is there a known bug with it? |
| 12:36.38 | priest | chrysopa: rsync -e 'ssh -p 666' |
| 12:36.41 | WhiteRabbit | We should see a press release for Duke Nukem Forever anytime now! |
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| 12:36.45 | chrysopa | OK |
| 12:36.48 | threat | jharrisonwk, its ADSL (PPPoE) :) |
| 12:36.48 | jharrisonwk | threat: not that I know of |
| 12:36.57 | jharrisonwk | threat: oh |
| 12:37.00 | chrysopa | priest, thanks |
| 12:37.03 | jharrisonwk | threat: I dont deal with dsl |
| 12:37.13 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: mmmmmm looks yummy |
| 12:37.17 | ikonia | jharrisonwk thanks for the url. a very interesting read |
| 12:37.18 | threat | jharrisonwk, oh, does any one else in this chan deal with DSL then ? |
| 12:37.24 | jharrisonwk | ikonia: no problem |
| 12:37.24 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: it is! |
| 12:37.30 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: show me some food of where you live |
| 12:37.31 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I want some |
| 12:37.36 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: send fedex |
| 12:37.37 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: go to turkey |
| 12:37.41 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ok I look now |
| 12:37.48 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: it'll be cold and ugly when it arrives |
| 12:37.48 | pzn | Guerin, thanks! the awk page is great! |
| 12:38.00 | Guerin | pzn: there's another one for sed, too :) |
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| 12:38.06 | LordFrith | pzn: Did you find an alternate solution? |
| 12:38.11 | ikonia | 30 may is a good release time. Quite agreeisve. I'm impressed |
| 12:38.21 | rafx | politics is where needs of the highly organized and focused few, outweighs the needs of the disinterested many. as long as the pain threshold for the many is bearable, the few can profit greatly at their expense. |
| 12:38.30 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i also love hard mountain cheese. ever tried? |
| 12:38.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.geographia.com/bahamas/bscuis01.htm |
| 12:39.01 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes |
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| 12:39.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I love the goat cheese |
| 12:39.18 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: that's also great: http://www.salzburgdessert.at/pics/himbeer-torte-gr-cut.jpg |
| 12:39.24 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I like eating the goats and sheep too |
| 12:39.30 | Guerin | you bastards |
| 12:39.48 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ohh man thats good looking stuff |
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| 12:39.54 | cadu | i'm back ! weeeee |
| 12:39.58 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: the bestest!!1! |
| 12:39.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: small kittens are yummy too |
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| 12:40.18 | overnout | tarzeau: MMM |
| 12:40.19 | greycat | jharrisonwk: you pussy eater! |
| 12:40.28 | tarzeau | greycat: hahah |
| 12:40.34 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i prefer lambs and sheep |
| 12:40.46 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 12:40.51 | jharrisonwk | just kidding about the kittens |
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| 12:41.09 | Guerin | goddamnmotherfuckingsonofabitch |
| 12:41.11 | jharrisonwk | but Ill eat anything that goes "bbaaaaa" |
| 12:41.15 | ikonia | thanks for the info all. Back to reading |
| 12:41.28 | Guerin | no matter what I try, this --exclude"" is just not working with rsnapshot |
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| 12:42.43 | hac | Where i can get a good howto for install the DRI? |
| 12:43.04 | ricky_clarkson | http://dri.sf.net |
| 12:43.10 | Guerin | even when I --exclude="/whole/explicit/path/" it doesn't |
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| 12:43.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.marga.org/food/int/bahamas/mac.html |
| 12:44.14 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.marga.org/food/int/bahamas/fish.html |
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| 12:44.55 | gimi | hi ... I had this problem very often: A program is working as server, so listened to a port ... no response, had to kill it, now I can't run it again because the port is "used" ... how can i free that port? |
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| 12:45.16 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.a-zoftourism.com/images/cuisine/bahamian.gif |
| 12:45.27 | ricky_clarkson | gimi: Kill it with kill, not kill -9 next time. |
| 12:45.29 | greycat | gimi: wait for the kernel to timeout on it, or reboot. |
| 12:45.45 | greycat | gimi: and if, as ricky_clarkson suggested, you used -9, we get to !pal you. |
| 12:45.48 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: How long does that take? |
| 12:45.50 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: http://www.fabulousfoods.com/features/entedibles/fish.jpg |
| 12:45.54 | gimi | reboot is bad ... machine runs for a month =) |
| 12:45.57 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: minute or hours. |
| 12:46.01 | greycat | +s |
| 12:46.08 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hehe |
| 12:46.10 | ricky_clarkson | !vagueness |
| 12:46.10 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 12:46.23 | jharrisonwk | ohh that reminds me to check uptime |
| 12:46.32 | ricky_clarkson | Does trying to connect to it speed the timeout up? |
| 12:46.36 | hac | ricky_clarkson: i read this but : direct_rendering:no :/ |
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| 12:46.38 | ricky_clarkson | Or changing the date. ;) |
| 12:46.44 | gimi | waited already ... mh maybe a day :( |
| 12:46.58 | ricky_clarkson | hac: I don't know, I just pointed you somewhere. |
| 12:47.01 | Guerin | gimi: reboot then. Should only take a minute, right? |
| 12:47.10 | ricky_clarkson | gimi: I reckon your server is still running. ;) |
| 12:47.14 | jharrisonwk | bulocks! |
| 12:47.20 | jharrisonwk | uptime is fscked |
| 12:47.21 | jharrisonwk | :( |
| 12:47.22 | greycat | gimi: did you kill the process with -9? |
| 12:47.38 | gimi | no, only killall ... |
| 12:47.48 | psyddicus | what can I do to update the list of packages I have installed? |
| 12:47.51 | greycat | gimi: what does lsof -i :theport say? |
| 12:47.52 | IDC | during debian installation,it asks you if you want your time set to GMT ...right ? |
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| 12:47.57 | IDC | How do i reset it ? |
| 12:48.05 | greycat | gimi: for that matter, what does "netstat -an | grep theport" say? |
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| 12:48.14 | jharrisonwk | I have another server with 110 days though |
| 12:48.16 | greycat | IDC: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 12:48.32 | greycat | jharrisonwk: the workstation on my desk is up 106 days. |
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| 12:48.42 | jharrisonwk | greycat: nice but I win |
| 12:48.45 | jharrisonwk | greycat: :-P |
| 12:48.58 | greycat | svr1:~$ uptime |
| 12:48.58 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:49.12 | greycat | that's the infamous 2.0.40 redhat 5.2 box. |
| 12:49.14 | jharrisonwk | greycat: I might could beat that |
| 12:49.26 | jharrisonwk | hey |
| 12:49.35 | jharrisonwk | unauthorized jharrison quit |
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| 12:51.25 | inaian | is sarge the actual version? |
| 12:51.29 | greycat | !sarge |
| 12:51.29 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
| 12:52.07 | gimi | lsof says two lines ... the called/killed prog (3 times), pids, type(udp, ipv4) , a device size of 822783 and FD:8u |
| 12:52.27 | greycat | gimi: so the process is actually not dead. |
| 12:52.46 | greycat | (of course, if you'd actually SHOW US WHAT IT SAID, it might be a shitload easier...) |
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| 12:52.53 | Super_Cat_Frog | Once sarge goes stable, will i have to update sources.list to point to the next testing release if i want software version updates as opposed to backports? |
| 12:53.17 | greycat | Super_Cat_Frog: if you want to continue to follow testing, change 'sarge' to 'testing' now. |
| 12:53.41 | Super_Cat_Frog | ok thanks greycat - will that work on 3rd party repo's too? |
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| 12:54.04 | greycat | Super_Cat_Frog: ask the person whose repository it is. |
| 12:54.11 | Super_Cat_Frog | ok |
| 12:54.23 | jharrisonwk | greycat: 08:54:12 up 161 days, 21:46, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.08, 0.02 |
| 12:54.38 | jharrisonwk | greycat: I win again |
| 12:54.43 | jharrisonwk | greycat: not by much though |
| 12:54.46 | gimi | greycat: thanks :) ... was sure I killed it ... it it was also while i tried to write something in C ... |
| 12:54.47 | simonrvn | 08:54:38 up 78 days, 19:23, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00 |
| 12:54.47 | greycat | svr2.eeg.ccf.org:/net/home/wooledg$ uptime |
| 12:54.47 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.57 | simonrvn | longest ever on this network |
| 12:54.59 | greycat | svr2 is our *other* red hat box |
| 12:55.02 | sciboy | Hi, i am trying to get all my applications to work with ALSA's software mixing, however there is one application i can't run under AOSS, so as a result it hogs the soundcard with OSS. Is there a way other than aoss to make it run under ALSA? |
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| 12:55.16 | greycat | as you can see, we have very creative hostnames. |
| 12:55.17 | overnout | wow |
| 12:55.29 | simonrvn | greycat: amazing so ;p |
| 12:55.36 | simonrvn | amazingly* |
| 12:56.07 | jharrisonwk | dang it |
| 12:56.10 | jharrisonwk | greycat: you suck |
| 12:56.25 | greycat | dream on, jharrisonwk... these lips will never touch your flesh |
| 12:56.32 | r3Fl3X | I have some problems getting DMA enabled on boot |
| 12:56.39 | Talnakh | yeh, greycat, are you trying to say that your system is unpatched? |
| 12:56.42 | jharrisonwk | greycat: yeah yeah |
| 12:56.46 | greycat | r3Fl3X: load the driver for your IDE chipset |
| 12:56.57 | r3Fl3X | should be loaded |
| 12:57.10 | greycat | Talnakh: if you mean "old and crappy", yes. |
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| 12:57.17 | r3Fl3X | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.25 | r3Fl3X | using hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| 12:57.26 | jethro | AIX clay7sip 1 5 00000021C000 - 02:54PM up 384 days, 22:14, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.04 - mouahahahah |
| 12:57.26 | greycat | svr2 is a strong candidate for being replaced with a Debian box, but I haven't gotten around to it. |
| 12:57.31 | jharrisonwk | greycat: 08:57:33 up 304 days, 40 min, 1 user, load average: 0.27, 0.41, 0.46 |
| 12:57.32 | Talnakh | Hackers wake up, Greycat is waiting |
| 12:57.35 | jharrisonwk | greycat: ah ha! |
| 12:57.47 | greycat | !win jethro |
| 12:57.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, jethro! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 12:58.00 | jethro | I wish I could reboot them more often .. |
| 12:58.09 | greycat | good ol' AIX and its bass-ackwards version numbers in uname -a. |
| 12:58.13 | jethro | :) |
| 12:58.16 | greycat | "1.5? No, wait, it's IBM... so it's 5.1" |
| 12:58.24 | jethro | heh indeed |
| 12:58.32 | jethro | must've been invented by some coran reader |
| 12:58.41 | Talnakh | wait, does AIX run on anything except mainframes? |
| 12:58.46 | jharrisonwk | hey |
| 12:58.48 | jharrisonwk | check it out |
| 12:58.49 | jethro | Talnakh: yes |
| 12:58.52 | greycat | Talnakh: it runs on POWER, PowerPC, etc. |
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| 12:59.03 | Talnakh | thanks |
| 12:59.08 | jethro | Talnakh: mines are on rs6000 |
| 12:59.10 | petemc | for aix use oslevel |
| 12:59.12 | greycat | some of the RS/6000 PowerPC boxes are also capable of running Linux |
| 12:59.15 | jethro | well mines.. my customers |
| 12:59.20 | inaian | why my debian gives this msg when i try to startx: no screens found |
| 12:59.26 | greycat | !noscreensfound |
| 12:59.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 12:59.29 | jharrisonwk | 10:35:24 up 687 days, 40 min, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.31, 0.36 |
| 12:59.41 | jethro | now that's a huge uptime |
| 12:59.45 | greycat | jharrisonwk: what OS is that? can't be x86 linux. |
| 12:59.45 | petemc | i have a chrp power3 rs6000 running debian |
| 12:59.51 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 12:59.52 | inaian | /o/ |
| 12:59.54 | jharrisonwk | oh im faking it |
| 12:59.56 | Talnakh | jharrisonwk, are u quoting netcraft? |
| 12:59.56 | inaian | tks |
| 13:00.10 | jethro | !lart jharrisonwk for lying |
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| 13:00.14 | jethro | :) |
| 13:00.18 | jharrisonwk | :) |
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| 13:00.34 | greycat | jharrisonwk: 32-bit linux boxes with the standard 100 Hz tick overflow the 32-bit uptime counter after 400 some days. |
| 13:00.46 | jethro | really? |
| 13:00.50 | Talnakh | yes |
| 13:00.51 | jethro | that's funny |
| 13:00.54 | jharrisonwk | greycat: well that is a problem |
| 13:00.56 | BadMan | morning gents a full load of update/upgrades later ... |
| 13:00.56 | jethro | I should try it :) |
| 13:00.58 | Guerin | well, apt-get -s dist-upgrade goes off without a hitch... does it calculate dependencies there and then, or only when you do it for real? |
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| 13:01.11 | greycat | 497 days according to bc. |
| 13:01.20 | jharrisonwk | ill move to a 64bit just so I can get better uptimes |
| 13:01.21 | greycat | 2^32 / (86400 * 100) |
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| 13:01.28 | Talnakh | it is great that finally sarge is frozen ;-) |
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| 13:01.36 | jharrisonwk | I cant wait for the quad opteron with 32gb of memory |
| 13:01.38 | jharrisonwk | mmmmmmmmmm |
| 13:01.38 | BadMan | I have this line "deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./" in my apt list and was wondering if any had built the kde 3.4 against sarge. My sarge is fully updated. |
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| 13:01.53 | greycat | BadMan: #debian-kde |
| 13:01.58 | jharrisonwk | Talnakh: its not great if kde 3.4 doesnt make it into sarge |
| 13:01.59 | Guerin | BadMan: you're on your own there, sunshine. |
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| 13:02.09 | simonrvn | jharrisonwk: *drool*. i need to boost the ram in this thing. has 512 MB right now |
| 13:02.10 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: hi |
| 13:02.13 | Guerin | it's irrelevant if kde makes it into sarge or not |
| 13:02.15 | abrotman | hi |
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| 13:02.21 | jharrisonwk | simonrvn: oh its not for me but for a customer |
| 13:02.22 | Talnakh | jharrisowk, i don't need kde 3.4 |
| 13:02.23 | greycat | Guerin: apt-get -s dist-upgrade calculates the list of packages, yes. |
| 13:02.29 | Guerin | since within 6 months, sarge will be on nothing but servers anyhow |
| 13:02.31 | greycat | Guerin: doesn't actually *install* them though. |
| 13:02.35 | jharrisonwk | Talnakh: you do if you want encryption in kmail |
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| 13:02.51 | Talnakh | get evolution |
| 13:02.52 | Guerin | greycat: sure. So in theory if it doesn't b0rk about deps, etc, then the real upgrade should work...? |
| 13:02.57 | jharrisonwk | Talnakh: ew |
| 13:03.07 | greycat | Guerin: the packages might be broken in some way. |
| 13:03.12 | greycat | Guerin: nothing's sure until you test it. |
| 13:03.20 | Guerin | greycat: oh, I know. It's depends I'm worried about mostly |
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| 13:03.35 | abrotman | i can't help thinking .. Tanakah! |
| 13:03.42 | abrotman | not that i know where tanakah comes from .. |
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| 13:04.07 | Talnakh | there are only 5 bugs now. and we are month away from Sarge, cant believe it |
| 13:04.16 | Talnakh | mistake 85 bugs |
| 13:04.20 | jethro | :) |
| 13:04.26 | BadMan | yeah 85 more like it hehe |
| 13:04.29 | jethro | that's a few more than 5 |
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| 13:04.58 | Talnakh | true, but for sarge 85 is not so much. compare the size. |
| 13:05.12 | BadMan | I guess I really should have been looking at BTS for Sarge, I really have not had any issues running sarge other than nVidia video card |
| 13:05.13 | simonrvn | maybe a g4 upgrade too... noticed average load over the past month has been over 1 ... |
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| 13:05.31 | abrotman | thomas_adam: http://www.snopes.com/photos/commercials/bigburger.asp |
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| 13:05.55 | abrotman | thomas_adam: that's in PA .. and near my Uni |
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| 13:06.28 | Putiikki | how to check my hard disk for bad sectors? |
| 13:06.33 | simonrvn | badblocks |
| 13:06.38 | Putiikki | thanks |
| 13:06.53 | simonrvn | fsck -c can do it too |
| 13:06.58 | Putiikki | ok |
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| 13:07.16 | Putiikki | it is same method? |
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| 13:07.28 | J0ey-x | hey |
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| 13:07.36 | simonrvn | man fsck |
| 13:07.41 | Putiikki | ok |
| 13:07.42 | J0ey-x | what debian cds do i need to download |
| 13:07.51 | jm_ | man fsck.<fstype> actually |
| 13:07.57 | carbon60 | Is there a place to get slightly outdated debs from Sarge? I'm having a problem with the current ipsec-tools and would like to go back to a known good version. |
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| 13:08.06 | jm_ | carbon60: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 13:08.08 | simonrvn | jm_: yeh yeh ;p |
| 13:08.31 | carbon60 | Thanks jm_ . |
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| 13:08.45 | greycat | !d-i J0ey-x |
| 13:08.47 | dpkg | J0ey-x, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:09.06 | abrotman | greycat: you sohuld read the burger thing too :) |
| 13:09.18 | abrotman | greycat: you could make it a "destination vacation" :) |
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| 13:10.13 | BadMan | lol, they have been advertising the burger on TV lately near Penn State... |
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| 13:10.35 | BadMan | I want to try it. I ate 9 whoppers last month on a bet(bet was for 12). |
| 13:10.38 | jharrisonwk | where did ricky clarkson go |
| 13:10.47 | threat | BadMan, lol |
| 13:10.53 | threat | BadMan, I can just get through one :) |
| 13:11.00 | threat | BadMan, you must be a tank :) |
| 13:11.07 | BadMan | the kicker... I weigh in at 160lbs and 6ft even |
| 13:11.08 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: back to .uk hopefully . dirty brit |
| 13:11.15 | nagual | BadMan: you might as well kill yourself with a gun. |
| 13:11.16 | jharrisonwk | heh |
| 13:11.18 | abrotman | BadMan: is that were you go? |
| 13:11.22 | oskie | today i received a spam recommending me to buy YPIL (Yap International) stocks... wtf is that? it looks like a legit company, but why would someone spam for them like that? |
| 13:11.33 | BadMan | abrotman: no I WANT to try it I live in midwest |
| 13:11.45 | abrotman | BadMan: but you know about commercials in State College, PA ? |
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| 13:12.10 | BadMan | abrotman: it has been on TV for Hardess ads involving the new frisco thickburger |
| 13:12.28 | abrotman | BadMan: i meant the ad i posted above .. the 15lb burger |
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| 13:12.41 | korcoil | muie\ |
| 13:13.29 | BadMan | abrotman: yeah they talk about it.. said ti was a 4lb burger ont v lol 9, I would give it a go lol |
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| 13:13.47 | abrotman | BadMan: it's 10.5 POUNDS of hamburg alone |
| 13:13.52 | BadMan | sweet |
| 13:13.55 | abrotman | not inluding veggies,bun etc |
| 13:13.56 | BadMan | mmm meat |
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| 13:14.33 | abrotman | but i gotta say .. that would make a totally unique rehersal dinner for a wedding or bachelor party place to eat |
| 13:14.41 | BadMan | LOL |
| 13:14.44 | t_scytale | 10.5 lbs == a large baby |
| 13:15.10 | abrotman | a VERY large baby |
| 13:16.08 | BadMan | hmm the page said it offers a 2 3 and 96er |
| 13:16.18 | abrotman | the 96er is the original |
| 13:16.27 | Chameleon22 | can someone help me with wine installation, ran an installer through wine. Program seems to be installed ok. There is a winws dir structure under ~/.wine, etc and when i try to run the app i get a wine window with error mesage: Wine has exited with a failure status of 1., any ideas guys ? |
| 13:16.43 | BadMan | yeah I think IF I ever get the chance to get out east I will have to try it out |
| 13:17.00 | t_scytale | wine == a black art |
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| 13:17.10 | abrotman | Chameleon22: it will tell you what the problem is .. and #winehq is probably better |
| 13:17.17 | BadMan | wine is the devil |
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| 13:17.57 | Chameleon22 | abrotman: what makes winhq better? |
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| 13:18.55 | greycat | Chameleon22: same reason a gynecologist is a better resource than a veterinarian if you have bad menstrual cramps. |
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| 13:18.58 | abrotman | Chameleon22: it's the channel for wine ... #winehq |
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| 13:19.27 | Chameleon22 | abrotman: ohh i see, thought he meant its an app |
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| 13:21.59 | BadMan | umm a 100lb woman did it! |
| 13:23.01 | abrotman | BadMan: only the 96er |
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| 13:23.15 | BadMan | yeah but stilla 100lb woman |
| 13:24.52 | greycat | BadMan: before or after? :) |
| 13:25.32 | BadMan | liekly before that would be like the size of my wife eating a that much food, she can't do that ina week! |
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| 13:26.53 | greycat | two on the left and two on the right |
| 13:26.57 | koollman_ | ww |
| 13:26.57 | greycat | ECHAN |
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| 13:29.53 | r3Fl3X | should I compile a kernel with SMP support if it has hyperthreading? |
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| 13:30.44 | greycat | r3Fl3X: we suggest using a debian kernel image. but if you must configure your own (as a form of penitence/masochism), then yes. |
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| 13:31.14 | wooden | re |
| 13:31.31 | wooden | whata a good irc client with gui? |
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| 13:32.02 | inaian | it woks :) framebuffer :/ |
| 13:32.11 | wooden | except xchat |
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| 13:32.50 | stew | wooden: actually, as it turns out, there are no graphics in irc anyway :P |
| 13:32.56 | jethro | wooden: ci0irc |
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| 13:33.15 | inaian | hey debian 3 r5 what is kernel and kde version? |
| 13:33.51 | jharrisonwk | inaian: 2.4.18, kde 2.2 |
| 13:33.58 | inaian | :/ |
| 13:34.01 | jethro | is there a r5 for woody? |
| 13:34.06 | jethro | thought the latest was r4 |
| 13:34.12 | inaian | and sarge? |
| 13:34.14 | greycat | but if you have to ask, you'll probably fail to get the 2.4.18 kernel, and you'll have 2.2.20-idepci until we correct you. |
| 13:34.18 | inaian | whats the version |
| 13:34.21 | jethro | greycat: :) |
| 13:34.28 | greycat | inaian: sarge has 2.4.28 and 2.6.8 I believe. |
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| 13:34.35 | inaian | its 2.2.20 |
| 13:34.41 | inaian | on my r5 |
| 13:34.41 | greycat | !pal inaian |
| 13:34.43 | jm_ | http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050416 |
| 13:34.45 | greycat | !tell inaian about idepci |
| 13:34.46 | jethro | heh |
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| 13:34.54 | greycat | !tell inaian about bf24 |
| 13:35.00 | inaian | ?? |
| 13:35.07 | greycat | !tell inaian about install guide |
| 13:35.09 | FieldySnuts | ~abuse DVD drives for reading so slow |
| 13:35.14 | apt | ACTION smacks DVD drives for reading so slow across the face. "Take that, Bitch!" |
| 13:35.16 | greycat | !tell inaian about install |
| 13:35.16 | jethro | inaian: ht the Fn keys at the boot prompt |
| 13:35.21 | inaian | its the first time |
| 13:35.22 | tarzeau | 15:35 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from inaian: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
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| 13:35.26 | greycat | !tell inaian about faq |
| 13:35.27 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: heh |
| 13:35.28 | inaian | i use debian |
| 13:35.32 | jm_ | FieldySnuts: slow? how slow is it? |
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| 13:35.51 | jethro | inaian: read the documentation on debian website |
| 13:36.00 | inaian | i will download sarge now.. |
| 13:36.01 | jethro | inaian: then if you have further questions, come back, and ask |
| 13:36.05 | inaian | i am readin |
| 13:36.05 | jethro | !d-i inaian |
| 13:36.06 | dpkg | inaian, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:36.07 | FieldySnuts | jm_: 8x write but i'm trying to pull off over 3GB in small files off it right now.. i think I'll do a speed test later (4.7GB tar or something), seems unusal, even for a lot of small files |
| 13:36.31 | jm_ | FieldySnuts: yeah small files will kill it |
| 13:36.35 | inaian | and in sarge. is kde 3.? |
| 13:36.41 | tarzeau | inaian: yes |
| 13:36.52 | inaian | cool :) |
| 13:36.53 | tarzeau | inaian: you can check with packages.debian.org/WHATEVER yourself |
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| 13:37.00 | inaian | i gonna read now |
| 13:37.06 | inaian | the doc.. |
| 13:37.10 | FieldySnuts | heh.. I'm over the alloted disk space for my domain, but their space counter is acting up so it says I have a total of 4MB used. wonder if I should say anything. |
| 13:37.13 | inaian | tks to everybody |
| 13:37.16 | jon273 | What rights should the 'debian-syst-maint' mysql user have? |
| 13:37.20 | tarzeau | inaian: you can also come to irc without Windows |
| 13:37.35 | FieldySnuts | yeah! telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 |
| 13:37.38 | Essobi | is there a way to specify default-release on apt-get cli? I hate editing /etc/apt/apt.conf everytime I want to load a different package/release with a same name. |
| 13:37.42 | greycat | FieldySnuts: hah |
| 13:37.49 | inaian | sorry i cant config my dsl connection.. |
| 13:37.51 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: we used to play a nasty game on our AIX box at Uni .. chmod a-rwx dir/ .. so it wouldn't get counted in your accout space used |
| 13:37.54 | inaian | ondebian |
| 13:37.56 | FieldySnuts | PRIVMSG #debian :I am so cool I know raw IRC |
| 13:37.59 | inaian | =/ |
| 13:38.01 | tarzeau | inaian: adsl usb crap? |
| 13:38.07 | jm_ | Essobi: man apt-get |
| 13:38.09 | mattySn_ | anyone who knows how I can add include paths to a kernel module makefile ? using kbuild.. |
| 13:38.09 | inaian | ethernet |
| 13:38.10 | jethro | replying to pings is a pain tho |
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| 13:38.19 | jethro | taht's why I use irssi and not telnet |
| 13:38.20 | tarzeau | inaian: nvidia nforce crap? |
| 13:38.24 | doub | Essobi: you can set whatever settings on CLI, see man apt-get |
| 13:38.27 | Essobi | jm_ Did, I didn't see it.. I'll take another look. |
| 13:38.32 | jm_ | Essobi: it is there |
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| 13:38.37 | Essobi | roger that |
| 13:38.37 | inaian | no |
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| 13:39.15 | irsirius | hello. can anybody tell me if its possible to convert a fat-partition to ext3 |
| 13:39.23 | PerfDave | irsirius: No |
| 13:39.33 | jon273 | irsirius, copy the stuff off, make ext3, then copy stuff back |
| 13:39.42 | Essobi | depends on your definition of "convert". :) |
| 13:39.58 | PerfDave | Essobi: Uhm, why would you set the *default* release on the command line? You set the default release in the apt config, then override that default if you need to. |
| 13:40.00 | FieldySnuts | converting is always risky, you want to have a full backup anyway, may as well do it the Right Way(TM) |
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| 13:40.54 | Essobi | PerfDave Already fixed, Thank you, please drive through. |
| 13:41.07 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 13:41.13 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave you got told |
| 13:41.13 | PerfDave | Essobi: *shrug* I'm just trying to help, you seem to be confused. |
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| 13:41.28 | yonaro | hi * |
| 13:41.29 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Yeah, that's the last time I help anyone in *this* channel! I've learned my lesson! :) |
| 13:41.32 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 13:41.38 | Essobi | THANK YOU PLEASE DRIVE THROUGH. ;) |
| 13:41.43 | FieldySnuts | ~lart Essobi |
| 13:41.48 | mattySn_ | anyone who knows how I can add include paths to a kernel module makefile ? using kbuild.. |
| 13:41.50 | PerfDave | Essobi: THANK YOU PLEASE GO FUCK YOURSELF |
| 13:41.51 | FieldySnuts | strips? |
| 13:41.52 | irsirius | PerfDave: thx. i already feared that :) |
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| 13:41.58 | yonaro | SOmebody know the type of mouse of a tecra 81000?? |
| 13:42.26 | doub | yonaro: google might know better |
| 13:42.33 | Essobi | PerfDave Thanks Dave, already have. Jez, can't detect the tad bittiest of sarcasm with the caps could you? |
| 13:42.34 | yonaro | I am trying install the mouse but I do not know the |
| 13:42.38 | tarzeau | WWW.LINUKS.MINE.NU/pod.jpg |
| 13:42.40 | yonaro | type of device |
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| 13:42.46 | PerfDave | irsirius: I just ended up borrowing a hard drive from work, copying my data to it, reformatting my FAT32 partition as ext3, and copied everything back over. |
| 13:42.52 | yonaro | I have already searched in google |
| 13:42.55 | PerfDave | yonaro: Does /dev/input/mice not work? |
| 13:43.13 | trevorc | yonaro, the same thing happened to me |
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| 13:43.16 | yonaro | The mouse isnot a mosue |
| 13:43.22 | irsirius | PerfDave: if i'd got work i would do it this way |
| 13:43.24 | yonaro | it is in the keyboard |
| 13:43.25 | Essobi | OT's a what what? |
| 13:43.27 | yonaro | is a laptop |
| 13:43.28 | trevorc | I fixed it by mapping the mouse char device in /dev |
| 13:43.32 | Essobi | Still considered a mouse. |
| 13:43.39 | emacse1 | Anyone here know how to tell cups to start all its printers? The printers.conf says they're stopped |
| 13:43.41 | trevorc | 9,3, I think. |
| 13:43.42 | PerfDave | yonaro: Have you *tried* /dev/input/mice ? |
| 13:44.11 | yonaro | /dev/inpput/mice do not exist |
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| 13:44.20 | PerfDave | yonaro: One p in input |
| 13:44.20 | drac | yonaro: input, not inpput |
| 13:44.21 | greycat | with two p's? right. |
| 13:44.21 | yonaro | the file donot exist |
| 13:44.27 | Essobi | yon uname -a? What kernel are you running? |
| 13:44.28 | greycat | yonaro: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 13:44.34 | greycat | yonaro: /msg dpkg /dev/input/mice |
| 13:44.47 | yonaro | the mouse does not is usb |
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| 13:44.55 | greycat | what IS IT, then? |
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| 13:45.48 | yonaro | It is in the keyboard, is a lap my computer |
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| 13:46.04 | N0ub | hi need some help i have one linux router on debian and 20 computers on lan , 10 are within 192.168.0.0/24 and 10 are within 192.168.1.0/24 how can i route so that all computers will see each other!! ip router add 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.0 will work????? |
| 13:46.06 | greycat | !punish greycat for coming here |
| 13:46.09 | irsirius | wasn't there somethink like MAKEDEV for that? |
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| 13:46.23 | t_scytale | yonaro, is it a little red button like in ibm laptops |
| 13:46.31 | yonaro | the mouse that I am trying configure is |
| 13:46.36 | greycat | is it a TOUCHPAD? |
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| 13:46.42 | yonaro | yes scytable.... |
| 13:46.43 | greycat | is it a CLITORIS (a.k.a. NIPPLE)? |
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| 13:46.48 | FieldySnuts | erm. |
| 13:46.52 | t_scytale | ok, i have that |
| 13:47.02 | t_scytale | lemmie check |
| 13:47.02 | xpato | how can i create pipe files? |
| 13:47.10 | emacse1 | greycat: you call them that too? the touchpointers?? |
| 13:47.16 | jm_ | xpato: man mkfifo |
| 13:47.19 | PerfDave | xpato: Do you mean "how do I create a file with a | symbol in the filename"? |
| 13:47.22 | greycat | either one (touchpad or clit) is probably going to be a PS/2 mouse device. Just use a standard vanilla /dev/psaux and PS/2. |
| 13:47.27 | xpato | no |
| 13:47.31 | FieldySnuts | !any ideas |
| 13:47.31 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little vegemite, and 42 sex-crazed oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 13:47.32 | yonaro | the mouse is a button in the center of the keyboard |
| 13:47.36 | xpato | the jim_ answer |
| 13:47.40 | doub | N0ub: you need to activate ip forwarding (edit /etc/network/options) |
| 13:47.50 | xpato | jim, could it be a dir? |
| 13:47.57 | irsirius | xpato: mkfifo |
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| 13:48.04 | PerfDave | yonaro: Just because it's not visibly connected to a USB or PS/2 socket doesn't mean it isn't a USB or PS/2 device :) |
| 13:48.21 | N0ub | i have i forwarding activated! |
| 13:48.23 | yonaro | aaa ok, PerfDave, so_?? |
| 13:48.40 | N0ub | then that route command will do the job? |
| 13:48.50 | greycat | It must be 'slashdot announced sarge frozen' day. |
| 13:48.55 | yonaro | I do not have files pau... or mice |
| 13:48.56 | irsirius | N0ub: why not put them in the same subnet if they should see each other? |
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| 13:49.02 | PerfDave | yonaro: Have you looked up your Tecra on any of the Linux laptop sites? |
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| 13:49.07 | greycat | Nothing else could explain this influx of .... whatever the fuck this is. |
| 13:49.09 | saabin | hello |
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| 13:49.15 | PerfDave | yonaro: You can create /dev/input/mice, just ask dpkg as greycat instructed. |
| 13:49.20 | saabin | I came back to same issue, "cat test.txt | /bin/my-lpscript", how to get what file a user sends (or contents of it) to my-lpscript ${-}. ${%} none work.? |
| 13:49.21 | N0ub | i can ! no my decizion |
| 13:49.24 | abrotman | greycat: that was yesterday .. last night was rough :) |
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| 13:49.25 | N0ub | can't |
| 13:49.26 | nomed^ | hi |
| 13:49.27 | illustir | anyone know how I can set usb permissions for my camera? |
| 13:49.33 | doub | N0ub: once ip forwaring is enabled, and both interfaces are configured, you can see one another machine, IIRC |
| 13:49.35 | greycat | saabin: it's standard input. |
| 13:49.39 | nomed^ | how to change the debconf frontend? |
| 13:49.50 | PerfDave | dpkg-reconfigure debconf ;) |
| 13:49.50 | drac | nomed^: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 13:49.53 | yonaro | Can you repeat how to i can use dpkg?? |
| 13:50.02 | abrotman | man dpkg ? |
| 13:50.05 | PerfDave | yonaro: 14:44 < greycat> yonaro: /msg dpkg /dev/input/mice |
| 13:50.09 | irsirius | saabin: "cat test.txt |xargs /bin/my-lpscript" |
| 13:50.12 | abrotman | oh |
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| 13:50.15 | doub | N0ub: if you're about SMB/CIFS networking, it's a whole other story |
| 13:50.16 | irsirius | saabin: maybe this? |
| 13:50.19 | greycat | irsirius: ARRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!! |
| 13:50.24 | yonaro | thanks |
| 13:50.27 | saabin | greycat: other users may issue "ls -al | /bin/my-lpscript" how to get what he sends? |
| 13:50.31 | nomed^ | drac, thanks ... i think i'm tyred .___. |
| 13:50.34 | irsirius | greycat: what>? |
| 13:50.44 | greycat | saabin: http://shelldorado.dyndns.org/wiki/?BashFaq |
| 13:50.44 | yonaro | and where I write it? |
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| 13:50.47 | greycat | saabin: FIRST one. |
| 13:50.56 | greycat | yonaro: on your forehead. |
| 13:51.08 | yonaro | forehead????? :$ |
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| 13:51.12 | PerfDave | !tell yonaro -about msgdpkg |
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| 13:51.32 | yonaro | ok, thanks |
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| 13:51.55 | Slyboots | Hi |
| 13:52.07 | yonaro | wow yea |
| 13:52.08 | saabin | irsirius: "cat test.txt |xargs /bin/my-lpscript" ? the problem is I have access to /bin/my-lpscript ... user may say "editor some-file | /bin/my-lpscr" |
| 13:52.25 | greycat | saabin: ignore everything irsirius says. |
| 13:52.27 | Slyboots | this is kind of baffling me, Im using KDE 3.2 from Debian Sarge, but I cant seem to use .ktheme files, I cant install them via the KDE manager |
| 13:52.34 | Slyboots | Any idea what could be going wrong? |
| 13:52.41 | greycat | saabin: and no, you can't say "editor file | myscript" |
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| 13:52.52 | greycat | saabin: or rather, you COULD say it, but it wouldn't do anything useful. |
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| 13:53.24 | stew | Slyboots: ask in #debian-kde |
| 13:53.38 | Slyboots | Kay |
| 13:53.42 | PerfDave | Doesn't Sarge have KDE 3.3? |
| 13:53.51 | greycat | !info konqueror sarge |
| 13:53.54 | cyrille_ | PerfDave, it does |
| 13:53.55 | saabin | greycat: user may say "blah blah | myscript" I want to capture what is being send to myscript |
| 13:53.55 | Slyboots | Woops, Your ight |
| 13:54.00 | Slyboots | My mistake |
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| 13:54.11 | saabin | ${-} variable? |
| 13:54.12 | greycat | saabin: READ THE URL I ALREADY GAVE YOU. THE VERY FIRST QUESTION. |
| 13:54.30 | nomed^ | it seems there are some problems with gforge-db-postgresql .. i can't remove it anymore. it depends on gforge-common if i remove gforge-common and gforge-db-post apt just remove the first one. |
| 13:54.31 | greycat | THERE IS NO FUCKING VARIABLE FOR ALL OF STANDARD INPUT BECAUSE YOU DID NOT READ IT YET. |
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| 13:54.45 | Azar | :) hello again then |
| 13:54.51 | greycat | WHY THE FUCK do people make up random syntax and then expect it to work?? |
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| 13:55.06 | greycat | what the FUCK is ${-} other than the output of a brain on drugs? |
| 13:55.09 | saabin | greycat: great |
| 13:55.11 | Jad | sorry d/c, guys, I just pluged my 2nd hdd, but cant see files in it, however I can see the hdd with qparted... any idea? |
| 13:55.19 | saabin | greycat: great thanks |
| 13:55.30 | doub | Jad: you need to mount it |
| 13:55.40 | saabin | than the output of a brain on drugs? greycat no! another legal drug: coffee |
| 13:55.43 | Jad | doub, would you please guide me, I'm new to linux world |
| 13:55.54 | greycat | I'd suggest you stop drinking it, then. |
| 13:56.07 | Azar | Jad you need to read the filesystem I will give you the url manual |
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| 13:56.17 | Jad | Azar, okm |
| 13:56.37 | Azar | Jad: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 13:57.14 | doub | Jad: mounting is adding a sub-tree to your existing tree, as you can do with real-life trees |
| 13:57.23 | Azar | I have a question : what FROZEN means re: SARGE coming up soon |
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| 13:57.40 | doub | Jad: i don't know if it helps you much, though |
| 13:58.04 | nomed^ | could you help me on removing gforge-db-postgresql? it's worst than a virus |
| 13:58.17 | abrotman | apt-get remove ? |
| 13:58.18 | doub | Azar: i guess frozen means not moving. but you can speculate |
| 13:58.20 | greycat | !frozen |
| 13:58.20 | dpkg | well, frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. Sarge is NOT yet frozen, but parts of it are, as per the /topic. |
| 13:58.22 | Jad | doub, actually no, they don't have examples for mounting hdds, |
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| 13:58.33 | greycat | oops, that's outdated... |
| 13:58.34 | Azar | doub, greycat, thanks :) |
| 13:58.46 | nomed^ | abrotman : no way .. |
| 13:58.47 | abrotman | er .. yeah |
| 13:58.49 | greycat | dpkg, frozen =~ s# Sarge is NOT yet frozen, but parts of it are, as per the /topic.## |
| 13:58.49 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 13:58.52 | abrotman | nomed^: why not ? |
| 13:58.55 | Nykheyn | someone know a good pdf reader? i've problems with gpdf, kpdf and xpdf |
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| 13:59.10 | greycat | Nykheyn: fix them. |
| 13:59.13 | PerfDave | Nykheyn: What problems are you having? Could be a malformed PDF file. There's ghostview and kghostview as well. |
| 13:59.14 | abrotman | Nykheyn: define .. problems |
| 13:59.19 | Lee__ | Nykheyn: Acrobat? |
| 13:59.20 | nomed^ | no verbose errors .. just E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 13:59.28 | abrotman | nomed^: check the BTS? |
| 13:59.31 | doub | Jad: an example, say you have a /dev/hdb1 partition. you can add it to the /mnt/ mount point with 'mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt' |
| 13:59.46 | doub | Jad: you can make this permanent by modifying /etc/fstab |
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| 13:59.55 | doub | Jad: see 'man mount' and 'man 5 fstab |
| 14:00.22 | Jad | Azar, doub, I have tried mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdd -t vfat but system got frozen and I had to reboot, |
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| 14:00.30 | bankman | http://fiestamoney.boom.ru |
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| 14:00.40 | Nykheyn | perfdave, with my debian, when i try toread every pdf files, kpdf and gpdf go in loop |
| 14:01.52 | nomed^ | abrotman, nothing .. just 2 bugs solved .. |
| 14:01.54 | PerfDave | Nykheyn: "go in loop"? |
| 14:01.55 | Jad | ok doub i'll try it thanks |
| 14:02.02 | FieldySnuts | try xpdf, it's much simpler. gpdf is just poo. kpdf is usually okay. |
| 14:02.08 | yonaro | I again, do not run xwindow with mouse /dev/input/mice my mouse is in the keyboard, a lap, what od i use?? |
| 14:02.08 | doub | Jad: the mount system usually guesses the filesystem type, so you don't need to specify it. as for mount freezing the system, sounds strange |
| 14:02.09 | abrotman | nomed^: sarge or sid? |
| 14:02.14 | priest | greycat: are you a debian developer? |
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| 14:02.24 | nomed^ | sarge |
| 14:02.29 | Azar | Jad, I am not familiar with secondary HD but it might have to do with what your fstab is set and how it lists your drives |
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| 14:02.34 | abrotman | nomed^: check the archived .. it may have been fixed in sid |
| 14:02.56 | doub | Azar: fstab is not used if you specify the originating device |
| 14:03.06 | yonaro | I need help ti configure the mouse over xwindow |
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| 14:03.19 | nomed^ | but it let me to dpkg-reconfigure gforge-db-postgresql .. even if gforge-common is not present anymore .. and it depends on it.. it sounds as a bug no? |
| 14:03.20 | Azar | doub I had problems mounting my cdrom only because it was not listed as "cdrom" in the fstab |
| 14:03.44 | greycat | priest: no |
| 14:03.47 | abrotman | nomed^: possibly |
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| 14:04.04 | doub | Azar: that's the reverse problem : 'mount /cdrom' requires some entry about it in fstab. 'mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom' does not |
| 14:04.15 | yonaro | the mouse is a button in the center of keyboard, what type is it?? |
| 14:04.24 | BadMan | psaux |
| 14:04.25 | greycat | yonaro: PS/2 |
| 14:04.31 | Azar | doub you are right, my cdrom was listed as hdc so I had to change that |
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| 14:04.55 | yonaro | I do not have file psaux if /dev/ what Can I do?? |
| 14:05.18 | doub | yonaro: pray for it to appear? |
| 14:05.22 | PerfDave | yonaro: Use /dev/input/mice ? |
| 14:05.38 | yonaro | I have already used mice and it do not run |
| 14:05.42 | greycat | yonaro: WHAT version of Debian is this? |
| 14:05.42 | Lee__ | I've seen the psaux device dissapear before... |
| 14:05.44 | PerfDave | yonaro: "it does not run"? |
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| 14:05.54 | greycat | Lee__: I have an idea what might cause it. |
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| 14:05.59 | Lee__ | modprobe mousedev, IIRC |
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| 14:06.11 | yonaro | Sarge, the xwindow does not start |
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| 14:06.27 | PerfDave | yonaro: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 14:07.05 | greycat | yonaro: what does "uname -r" say, and what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
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| 14:07.18 | Nykheyn | PerfDave Nykheyn: "go in loop"? ---- doesn't work |
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| 14:08.16 | jethro | !moo |
| 14:08.16 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
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| 14:08.52 | yonaro | greycat: yes it is installed |
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| 14:08.58 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 14:09.01 | saabin | hello again, sh,ksh,bash,csh script to upload via ftp whole dir and subdirs? google.com is for the first time not useful |
| 14:09.25 | saabin | any repository? |
| 14:09.31 | greycat | saabin: tar cf - foobar | ssh remotebox 'cd /foo && tar xvf -' |
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| 14:10.01 | stew | saabin: apt-get install ncftp ; man ncftpput |
| 14:10.06 | BadMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.07 | saabin | greycat: what about via ftp |
| 14:10.13 | jethro | hah |
| 14:10.17 | jethro | password leaked |
| 14:10.24 | greycat | !pal BadMan |
| 14:10.26 | BadMan | yeah time to change |
| 14:10.31 | _joey_ | is there recovery bootable CD for debian? |
| 14:10.34 | greycat | saabin: Down, Not Across. |
| 14:10.34 | jethro | yeah, and pick a better one :) |
| 14:10.40 | BadMan | lol |
| 14:10.46 | jethro | william just suck |
| 14:10.52 | saabin | greycat: :-) |
| 14:10.56 | PerfDave | "william", what a shit password :) |
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| 14:11.11 | greycat | yeah, mine's perfdave. it's much cooler. |
| 14:11.16 | jethro | heh |
| 14:11.23 | Azar | _joey_: yes it is |
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| 14:11.48 | Crasp | saabin: i think there is some ftpput command |
| 14:11.53 | Crasp | saabin: could be useful |
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| 14:12.09 | PerfDave | greycat: PerfDave is less likely to be in a dictionary ;) |
| 14:12.16 | _joey_ | Azar which one is it? |
| 14:12.25 | _joey_ | name and url link to image file |
| 14:12.34 | Azar | _joey_ do you have the disk? |
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| 14:12.44 | _joey_ | a cd disk ? |
| 14:12.57 | Azar | yes |
| 14:13.00 | _joey_ | yeah |
| 14:13.20 | Azar | what do you get at bootup? |
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| 14:13.45 | _joey_ | I get an interesting message, Azar is a funny man |
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| 14:14.14 | yonaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.22 | yonaro | some idea? |
| 14:14.47 | yonaro | I tried /dev/input/mice but it no run |
| 14:14.49 | Azar | oh gui mode, I am not able to help you with mouse stuff |
| 14:14.55 | Nykheyn | help! mydebian don't like pdf! |
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| 14:14.58 | PerfDave | yonaro: We've given you plenty of advice, for christ's sake. Try listening to it! |
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| 14:15.29 | yonaro | ok |
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| 14:15.45 | Azar | _joey_ I thought it was about rescue mode you asking for |
| 14:16.02 | BadMan | clear |
| 14:16.04 | PerfDave | yonaro: Did you check the X log file? Did you try creating the /dev/input/mice node? Did you check the output of uname -r and your libc version, as greycat asked? Have you given us ANYTHING which would help us fix your problem? No you haven't! |
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| 14:16.28 | IDC | do you have to go back to windows to edit webpage ? |
| 14:16.29 | yonaro | I have already done all that |
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| 14:17.05 | BadMan | IDC: you can use a text editor or BLuefish |
| 14:17.06 | Nykheyn | it's possible that my debian doesn't want to show me pdf files? it's possible that every pdf viewer doesn't work? |
| 14:17.08 | greycat | IDC: should we laugh at you, or just pity you? |
| 14:17.21 | IDC | lol |
| 14:17.26 | IDC | :) |
| 14:17.32 | doub | Nykheyn: my guess is much pdf readers you talk about depend on the same lib |
| 14:17.50 | doub | Nykheyn: if there's a bug in the lib, all the readers will crash the same way |
| 14:17.53 | Azar | IDC well, try using lynx :) |
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| 14:18.26 | IDC | Thanks,let me try bluefish |
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| 14:18.37 | doub | IDC: no we won't |
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| 14:19.40 | green_earz | IDC: or quanta for html |
| 14:20.05 | IDC | okay ,thanks for the info,im reading at bluefish home page |
| 14:20.29 | greycat | green_earz: or nano. or vim. or "cat > foo.html". |
| 14:20.48 | _joey_ | or echo |
| 14:20.54 | scarynetworkguy | IDC: I've been told that august is pretty nice. |
| 14:22.11 | Azar | ok so with woody I was arrested to stay in console mode, my main blocks were: 2.4.x kernel, nvidia driver and gcc2.5.9, anyone knows if Sarge helps better with a 2.6.x kernel, better nvidia driver and higher gcc version? |
| 14:22.23 | IDC | scarynetworkguy, i see:) |
| 14:22.29 | Lee__ | Azar: YES |
| 14:22.36 | greycat | you were arrested? |
| 14:22.37 | Lee__ | sorry, didn't mean to shout |
| 14:22.52 | greycat | gcc 2.5.9? |
| 14:23.00 | Lee__ | sarge is a win-win situation! yea! |
| 14:23.00 | Azar | greycat, I gave up trying to install nvidia in woody so I was waiting for Sarge |
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| 14:23.06 | greycat | !woody hardware support |
| 14:23.06 | dpkg | methinks woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
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| 14:23.50 | amorphix | greycat: and Sarge needs the latest kernel to support hardware further? |
| 14:23.52 | Azar | greycat Id rather stay with woody but after 2 years of failures with the nvidia driver, I just backed to console |
| 14:24.10 | greycat | !nvidia debs |
| 14:24.10 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia debs is try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/APT |
| 14:24.18 | Azar | yea, what is the highest kernel Sarge will support? |
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| 14:24.41 | greycat | hahaha... that's only got unstable and experimental now. |
| 14:24.45 | Prodos | hello a friend of mine ask me something. He has installed debian next to a windows system and after installing he cannot load windows anymore, a message INACCESSABLE_BOOTDEVICE comes and he should do checkdisk /f whats wrong? it was a sarge netinstall |
| 14:24.46 | greycat | !lose Azar |
| 14:24.46 | dpkg | Azar: You Lose. |
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| 14:24.58 | greycat | I guess even dpkg doesn't know locations for woody nvidia kernel drivers any more. |
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| 14:25.02 | Azar | greycat it says and I knew that nvidia will only run on unstable |
| 14:25.10 | Azar | I was running sid for a while |
| 14:25.16 | Azar | but I wanted to stay with woody |
| 14:25.20 | greycat | Azar: it says a LIE, then. I have built nvidia on woody before. Not this year, but hey.... |
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| 14:25.43 | js_ | Azar: nvidia builds on sarge as well |
| 14:25.50 | BadMan | Azar: I am using nvidia on sarge.. my original install of woody and Iw as able tog et it going as well |
| 14:25.55 | Azar | #use this source line for unstable drivers |
| 14:25.55 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.03 | Prodos | anybody had similiar problems with INACCESSABLE BOOTDEVICE ? |
| 14:26.09 | greycat | Azar: the trick with woody is that 1) woody's kernel images suck, and 2) there's no module-assistant, so 3) you should build your own custom kernel, which is 4) a HUGE FUCKING PAIN in the ass. |
| 14:26.10 | js_ | Azar: you only need kernel-headers for your kernel and the latest driver from nvidia.com |
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| 14:26.26 | greycat | Azar: once you've done that, you can use "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source" or whatever it's called. I forget the exact names. |
| 14:26.37 | J_1 | s |
| 14:26.39 | Azar | greycat , mighti right |
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| 14:26.53 | yonaro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:27.04 | jethro | greycat: can you backport m-a for woody? |
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| 14:27.11 | jethro | s/you/one/ |
| 14:27.14 | orjan | Any info if there is going to be any realtime-lsm-module .debs after 2.6.8? |
| 14:27.18 | greycat | jethro: I have no sudden irresistable urge to try. |
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| 14:27.24 | Azar | nvidia installation requires that the kernel headers and the gcc version be same, si its a lot of grooming before trying to install it |
| 14:27.38 | greycat | Azar: and we care because...? |
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| 14:27.41 | jethro | greycat: I like the way you said it :) |
| 14:27.42 | greycat | !d-i Azar |
| 14:27.43 | dpkg | Azar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 14:27.48 | greycat | !tell Azar about woody->sarge |
| 14:28.34 | Azar | thanks greycat |
| 14:28.58 | xwing | hi\ |
| 14:29.14 | BadMan | !nvidia-howto |
| 14:29.14 | dpkg | methinks nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody. |
| 14:29.20 | xwing | can someone help me with picking a cd |
| 14:29.31 | jethro | !d-i xwing |
| 14:29.32 | dpkg | xwing, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:29.41 | jethro | xwing: an install cd for debian? |
| 14:29.45 | xwing | yes |
| 14:29.49 | jethro | read above |
| 14:29.53 | jethro | server or desktop? |
| 14:29.59 | xwing | i'm used to windows style install |
| 14:30.01 | xwing | desktop |
| 14:30.06 | jharrisonwk | how many tcp/ip ports are there? |
| 14:30.06 | jethro | then get d-i |
| 14:30.13 | jharrisonwk | 65550 or something? |
| 14:30.20 | jethro | jharrisonwk: indeed |
| 14:30.22 | BadMan | jharrisonwk: yeah somewhere aroudn there |
| 14:30.28 | jharrisonwk | excellent |
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| 14:30.36 | jharrisonwk | that will be more then enough for the take-over |
| 14:30.38 | Azar | ok what is the highest kernel version that can be used in Sarge? |
| 14:30.49 | jethro | jharrisonwk: think it's up to 65535 |
| 14:31.11 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
| 14:31.14 | jharrisonwk | thats still enough |
| 14:31.19 | jethro | Azar: check packages.debian.org |
| 14:31.23 | jethro | !tell Azar -about search |
| 14:31.28 | xoz | 2^8 |
| 14:31.32 | Azar | thanks guys! :) |
| 14:31.34 | xwing | hmm what is sarge? |
| 14:31.39 | jethro | !2^8 |
| 14:31.39 | dpkg | 10 |
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| 14:31.42 | jharrisonwk | !sarge |
| 14:31.42 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
| 14:31.43 | jethro | duh |
| 14:31.43 | amorphix | sarge = debian testing |
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| 14:32.00 | xoz | !2^16 |
| 14:32.00 | dpkg | from memory, 2^16 is 65536 :-)) |
| 14:32.05 | amorphix | why is Sarge frozen |
| 14:32.16 | jethro | 2^8 is not 10 anyway |
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| 14:32.22 | bodq | @ops pOLice is an on-join spammer |
| 14:32.25 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pOLice is an on-join spammer |
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| 14:32.26 | amorphix | due to pending release? |
| 14:32.27 | jethro | dpkg: quit doing drugs, leave the dope to apt |
| 14:32.29 | jharrisonwk | Phated: ew you bit FieldyS nuts |
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| 14:32.51 | amorphix | Phated: hi |
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| 14:32.59 | Phated | Hello, hello. |
| 14:33.04 | jethro | helo |
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| 14:33.35 | amorphix | hi jethro and greycat |
| 14:33.46 | nomed^ | where to paste? |
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| 14:33.56 | BadMan | !paster |
| 14:33.56 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian#debian, and paste away. due to abuse we had to silence the bot, please announce the URL to the paste yourself |
| 14:33.57 | greycat | nomed^: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 14:34.11 | greycat | "#debian#debian"? |
| 14:34.16 | BadMan | hmm paster needs adjusted hehe |
| 14:34.30 | BadMan | never noticed that before |
| 14:34.37 | karl | Can anyone help pdbedit -L and I get string_to_sid: Sid S-1-5-21-2622630222-4250393546-1069460560-3004 does not start with 'S-'. |
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| 14:35.10 | yonaro | thanks |
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| 14:36.21 | jayc | could anyone tell me where I could find docs on how and in what file to set $LC and $LANG? dpkg is complaining along with other things that these 2 variables aren't set |
| 14:36.45 | nomed^ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/84 |
| 14:36.59 | yonaro | Again :S, I need help to configure the mouse, it is in the keyboard on a laptop |
| 14:37.01 | nomed^ | strange .. |
| 14:37.08 | yonaro | I use Debian Sarge |
| 14:37.12 | jharrisonwk | jayc: printenv | grep LANG |
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| 14:37.46 | js_ | jharrisonwk: what happened to echo $LANG? |
| 14:38.00 | jethro | yonaro: you mean a touchpad? |
| 14:38.03 | Prodos | after installing debian where is the windows dir ? |
| 14:38.10 | jharrisonwk | js_: ok ok |
| 14:38.12 | jethro | Prodos: are you kidding? |
| 14:38.12 | nomed^ | yonaro, did you try echo psmouse >> /etc/modules |
| 14:38.15 | yonaro | no, it is a button in the center of keyboard |
| 14:38.18 | jayc | LANG=en_US |
| 14:38.19 | Prodos | no its oimportant |
| 14:38.22 | jharrisonwk | jayc: echo $LANG |
| 14:38.22 | Prodos | jethro |
| 14:38.26 | xoz | nomed^: it might be expecting that pgsql is running. start it before removing. bad scripting i guess. |
| 14:38.28 | Azar | hmm I guess I am thick: I can't see any kernel version specifications in the packages list |
| 14:38.29 | Prodos | after installing debian windows is broken |
| 14:38.34 | Prodos | and we have to acces the data |
| 14:38.44 | jethro | !tell Prodos -about smart questions |
| 14:38.54 | Prodos | fuck you |
| 14:38.54 | jayc | jharrisonwk: I did that and $LANG looks ok, but $LC is not |
| 14:38.56 | Prodos | bye |
| 14:39.00 | LordFrith | Prodos: How is it broken? |
| 14:39.03 | usn | hi all |
| 14:39.06 | jharrisonwk | jayc: I do not have LC set either |
| 14:39.18 | jethro | what a moron |
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| 14:40.40 | yonaro | nomed: the module does not exist |
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| 14:41.22 | jayc | jharrisonwk: ok I was checking as a user, when I "su -" to root my $LANG is gone |
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| 14:41.35 | jayc | jharrisonwk: do you know what file that var is set in? |
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| 14:41.53 | jharrisonwk | jayc: when you su - to root it wipes out your existing environment settings |
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| 14:42.11 | xoz | jayc: use sudo if you want to preserve your env |
| 14:42.14 | jharrisonwk | jayc: well it uses default settings not your modified ones |
| 14:42.29 | jharrisonwk | or does it wipe them out |
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| 14:42.43 | jayc | so I should use sudo when I do apt-get? |
| 14:42.56 | greycat | jayc: I do. |
| 14:43.13 | jharrisonwk | no it does not wipe them out it jsut uses default settings when using su - |
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| 14:43.18 | xoz | jayc: very much |
| 14:43.59 | Azar | I haven't installed Sarge yet I just upgraded Woody to Sarge through aptitude, is Sarge going to have some kind of automatic installer when it comes out on CDs? |
| 14:44.00 | greycat | jharrisonwk: it erases the environment. |
| 14:44.01 | jharrisonwk | and what happens if you dont apt-get with sudo? |
| 14:44.09 | jayc | ok, for some reason "sudo printenv | grep LC" brings back "LC_CTYPE=de_DE" |
| 14:44.13 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: moo |
| 14:44.20 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: :) |
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| 14:44.26 | jayc | oh as my user too |
| 14:44.29 | jayc | that's not good |
| 14:44.31 | tarzeau | jayc: no, everybody can apt-get moo |
| 14:44.32 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: do you have super cow powers? |
| 14:44.40 | greycat | jharrisonwk: *then* you get the default settings, and a login shell, which then reads root's login environment, which should not have been customized, because you should not be logging in as root often enough to care. |
| 14:44.41 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: of course |
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| 14:45.42 | jharrisonwk | greycat: so sudo keeps the environment of the user and not root when you "sudo" something? |
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| 14:45.56 | Gnea | jharrisonwk: sudo - |
| 14:46.02 | xoz | jayc: su - forks a new shell and reads root env |
| 14:46.12 | Gnea | er |
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| 14:46.35 | xoz | jharrisonwk: yep |
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| 14:46.46 | Gnea | yeah |
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| 14:46.58 | xoz | jharrisonwk: use sudo bash if you want shell with root power |
| 14:47.03 | Azar | oh well going back to Woody, Sarge is still in the fog |
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| 14:47.09 | Gnea | jharrisonwk: sudo - snags root's environment |
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| 14:47.31 | Gnea | Azar: works fine here |
| 14:47.32 | js_ | Gnea: sudo - is a syntax error |
| 14:47.35 | Gnea | cept for lftp |
| 14:47.39 | jharrisonwk | and so you guys use sudo for ALL system administrative tasks? |
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| 14:47.49 | Azar | Gnea, I still have to learn, I am not ready for Sarge |
| 14:47.50 | Gnea | js_: are you trying to do sudo - <command> ? |
| 14:47.58 | Gnea | Azar: ah cool |
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| 14:48.03 | jaycwk | what's the command to make rescue and root floppies? I know it's dd if=?? something or other |
| 14:48.03 | xoz | jharrisonwk: mostly |
| 14:48.05 | js_ | Gnea: no |
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| 14:48.10 | Gnea | jharrisonwk: for the most part |
| 14:48.16 | Gnea | js_: ah ok... huh, weird |
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| 14:48.45 | js_ | Gnea: works nowhere here, you sure you're not messing it up with su, or got an alias sudo='su' ? |
| 14:49.07 | _sadrack_ | TinoW, i'm almost there with tomcat ... could you help me today? |
| 14:49.09 | dau4711 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.25 | xoz | sudo - doesnt make sense. man sudo |
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| 14:49.54 | Azar | I never used su / sudo, just log in another terminal as root and do the stuff |
| 14:50.28 | Gnea | js_: -bash: alias: sudo: not found |
| 14:50.31 | xoz | Azar: and if you use ssh? how do you get root for a remote site? |
| 14:50.47 | Gnea | js_: yeah, it works like this: sudo <command> - |
| 14:51.07 | Azar | xoz, I am too young for ssh, so you guys have a point there with su, I never understood the concept |
| 14:51.15 | js_ | Gnea: what version of sudo is that? |
| 14:51.21 | tarzeau | omg! have you seen the days of freeye for slink (126!), potato (212) and woody (383)? |
| 14:51.30 | tarzeau | what about a new days of freeze guessing pool? |
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| 14:51.33 | Gnea | 1.6.8p7 |
| 14:51.46 | nomed^ | xoz /etc/init.d/postgresql start ... it say there is an error but not a real reason |
| 14:51.54 | Gnea | tarzeau: ooo |
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| 14:51.59 | Gnea | tarzeau: i dunno man.. |
| 14:52.10 | Eclipser | could anyone recommend a good (command line) image viewer, preferrably GTK based? (gtksee isn't good since it doesn't quit complitely when I press esc :p) |
| 14:52.11 | xoz | nomed^: are you using sid/unstable? |
| 14:52.17 | nomed^ | sarge |
| 14:52.18 | Gnea | tarzeau: what were the actual release dates for slink/potato/woody again? |
| 14:52.21 | jharrisonwk | you guys still use sudo keeping in mind the caveats that apply to setuid binaries right? |
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| 14:52.36 | tarzeau | Gnea: 10mar99, 15aug00, 19jul02 |
| 14:52.42 | Gnea | jharrisonwk: that's why i dont' bother with setuid |
| 14:52.54 | Gnea | now look at that. |
| 14:52.57 | xoz | if you wanna remove postgress the hardway, you can remove it manually. |
| 14:53.01 | Gnea | 1 year, 3 years |
| 14:53.06 | Anders1 | what is /sys and /src? |
| 14:53.08 | Anders1 | srv' |
| 14:53.09 | Anders1 | srv* |
| 14:53.18 | Gnea | 3 years again just for the freeze of sarge |
| 14:53.31 | Gnea | tarzeau: make something in the bot, let's cast :) |
| 14:53.35 | nomed^ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/85 |
| 14:53.40 | nomed^ | xoz yes |
| 14:53.41 | tarzeau | apt freeze |
| 14:53.50 | apt | from memory, freeze is when we put the unstable version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable' |
| 14:53.50 | LuPuZ | Hey... I need some help :S ... How do i setup ssh so that people outside my lan can remote my debian? |
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| 14:54.01 | nomed^ | what is the hard way? |
| 14:54.08 | xoz | nomed^: goto /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 14:54.12 | tarzeau | haha, isn't that completely wrong? |
| 14:54.16 | tarzeau | dpkg eat apt |
| 14:54.16 | Trewas | Eclipser: feh is a nice image viewer, though not gtk (it has practically no gui at all) |
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| 14:54.20 | xoz | nomed^: view postgresql.list |
| 14:54.29 | Gnea | oh man |
| 14:54.33 | Eclipser | Trewas, thanks, I'll check it out |
| 14:54.45 | priest | will it be 3 years to next release too? i hope it not will come out a new to often. |
| 14:54.47 | jharrisonwk | Trewas: yes I believe that is wrong |
| 14:54.51 | jharrisonwk | dang it |
| 14:54.57 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes I believe that is wrong |
| 14:54.58 | tarzeau | Gnea: the plan is 30 days this time |
| 14:55.06 | Gnea | HAHAHA |
| 14:55.06 | Eclipser | Trewas, cool software :) |
| 14:55.31 | Gnea | tarzeau: dude, just put it in the bot and let people vote :) |
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| 14:55.48 | tarzeau | dpkg freez tarzeau69days |
| 14:55.51 | tarzeau | dpkg freez is tarzeau69days |
| 14:55.52 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 14:55.52 | Gnea | like last time heh |
| 14:56.05 | tarzeau | Gnea: i don't know how to set that up properly, just say also is |
| 14:56.22 | tarzeau | (or is also, i rofgot) |
| 14:56.48 | Gnea | dpkg: freez also is Gnea105days |
| 14:56.48 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Gnea |
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| 14:56.55 | Gnea | dpkg freez also is Gnea105days |
| 14:56.59 | jethro | is also |
| 14:57.01 | jethro | not also is |
| 14:57.07 | Gnea | dpkg freez is also Gnea105days |
| 14:57.07 | dpkg | okay, Gnea |
| 14:57.09 | greycat | why are you people misspelling "freeze"? |
| 14:57.11 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:57.14 | Gnea | cuz |
| 14:57.19 | tarzeau | greycat: freeze is something else already :) |
| 14:57.19 | Gnea | tarzeau started it |
| 14:57.20 | Gnea | :P |
| 14:57.24 | jethro | !freeze |
| 14:57.25 | dpkg | hmm... freeze is when we put the unstable version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable' |
| 14:57.27 | jharrisonwk | Gnea: you started it! |
| 14:57.28 | Gnea | yeah |
| 14:57.30 | jethro | ah yes |
| 14:57.31 | greycat | ~+sarge pool |
| 14:57.34 | apt | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! ghakko=2004-04-20 compwizrd=2003-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 sgeigerbot=1999-12-31 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-04-08 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Starfox=2003-01-15 Jawoota=2004-02-01, ... |
| 14:57.38 | Gnea | jharrisonwk: no way man, actions speak louder than words :) |
| 14:57.43 | jharrisonwk | heh |
| 14:57.48 | tarzeau | but now we guess how long it takes from freeze to release |
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| 14:57.57 | tarzeau | (in days) |
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| 14:58.00 | asuffield | all of those people suck |
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| 14:58.08 | asuffield | looks like my "first half 2005" estimate was right |
| 14:58.14 | Gnea | dpkg forget freez |
| 14:58.16 | _joey_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html |
| 14:58.16 | BadMan | !sarge pool |
| 14:58.16 | dpkg | hmm... sarge pool is Come and bet on when Sarge will be released. Ask me about "listkeys sarge pool" to find all of the bets, and "sarge bet" to find out how to bet. ! bloom=2005-01-31 |
| 14:58.17 | jethro | asuffield: :) |
| 14:58.22 | Gnea | dpkg no freez |
| 14:58.24 | _joey_ | did you read that? |
| 14:59.01 | _joey_ | I am putting bet sarge will be released before 01/06/05 |
| 14:59.05 | xoz | what's the price for all these bets |
| 14:59.10 | _joey_ | beofre 1st of June |
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| 14:59.17 | xoz | a year in siberia? |
| 14:59.29 | Gnea | _joey_: ok, well it goes yyyy-mm-dd |
| 14:59.29 | BadMan | !sarge pool 5 |
| 14:59.29 | dpkg | methinks sarge pool 5 is ! Badman=2005-09-15 LSorensen=2005-07-01 Phleg=2005-05-11 TBBle=2005-06-30 GooZ=2099-12-31 RolandU=2005-07-01 alejandro=2005-06-15 Joris=2005-04-07 DavidS=2005-06-30 dob=2005-03-15 RememberPOL=2005-02-16 dan2=2005-04-15 blk=2005-02-12 marinos=2005-04-31 SquareRt=2005-05-15 zumbi=2005-06-23 Anthro=2005-02-07 Amaranth=2005-01-20 jon787=1901-12-13 ricky_clarkson=2005-11-06 cheal=2005-05-13 |
| 14:59.29 | _joey_ | Siberia rules |
| 14:59.30 | RichiH | _joey_: with the planned release date at 30th of may, that might be a bit too close ;) |
| 14:59.41 | _joey_ | before 1st of June |
| 14:59.43 | FieldySnuts | I'm in there somewhere with 2009 |
| 14:59.48 | _joey_ | :) |
| 14:59.52 | RichiH | xoz: we have lots of great prizes! |
| 14:59.54 | BadMan | lol FieldySnuts |
| 14:59.55 | RichiH | !win xoz |
| 14:59.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, xoz! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:00.15 | xoz | !loose me |
| 15:00.16 | dpkg | You lose xoz! [and xoz can't spell, either.] |
| 15:00.21 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 15:00.30 | jethro | hah |
| 15:00.45 | jethro | he was the one giving a grammare lecture the other day tho :) |
| 15:00.54 | jethro | s/are/ar/ |
| 15:00.58 | Gnea | !sarge pool |
| 15:00.59 | dpkg | i guess sarge pool is Come and bet on when Sarge will be released. Ask me about "listkeys sarge pool" to find all of the bets, and "sarge bet" to find out how to bet. ! bloom=2005-01-31 |
| 15:01.10 | Gnea | !sarge pool 5 |
| 15:01.10 | dpkg | methinks sarge pool 5 is ! Badman=2005-09-15 LSorensen=2005-07-01 Phleg=2005-05-11 TBBle=2005-06-30 GooZ=2099-12-31 RolandU=2005-07-01 alejandro=2005-06-15 Joris=2005-04-07 DavidS=2005-06-30 dob=2005-03-15 RememberPOL=2005-02-16 dan2=2005-04-15 blk=2005-02-12 marinos=2005-04-31 SquareRt=2005-05-15 zumbi=2005-06-23 Anthro=2005-02-07 Amaranth=2005-01-20 jon787=1901-12-13 ricky_clarkson=2005-11-06 cheal=2005-05-13 |
| 15:01.33 | _joey_ | I am new to debian, once sarge is released the packages will not be upgraded to newer versions? |
| 15:01.43 | tarzeau | Jozo: not in sarge |
| 15:01.52 | Gnea | ah ha |
| 15:01.56 | Gnea | !sarge pool 5 |
| 15:01.56 | dpkg | sarge pool 5 is probably ! Gnea=2005-08-01 Badman=2005-09-15 LSorensen=2005-07-01 Phleg=2005-05-11 TBBle=2005-06-30 GooZ=2099-12-31 RolandU=2005-07-01 alejandro=2005-06-15 Joris=2005-04-07 DavidS=2005-06-30 dob=2005-03-15 RememberPOL=2005-02-16 dan2=2005-04-15 blk=2005-02-12 marinos=2005-04-31 SquareRt=2005-05-15 zumbi=2005-06-23 Anthro=2005-02-07 Amaranth=2005-01-20 jon787=1901-12-13 ricky_clarkson=2005-11-06 cheal=2005-05-13 |
| 15:01.57 | tarzeau | s,Jozo,_joey_ |
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| 15:02.30 | _joey_ | only in testing ? |
| 15:02.35 | tarzeau | _joey_: and sid |
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| 15:02.44 | memmmory | !kanotix |
| 15:02.46 | tarzeau | _joey_: actually they wander from sid to testing , usually |
| 15:02.54 | tarzeau | _joey_: some also land in experimental |
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| 15:03.05 | tarzeau | _joey_: some never make it into stable |
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| 15:03.13 | _joey_ | I see, I may run sarge for about a year or so and then switch back to testing:) |
| 15:03.23 | tarzeau | _joey_: for example |
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| 15:03.47 | tarzeau | http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=148268&cid=12426932 |
| 15:04.27 | xpato | are any known problems betewn samba and service pack2 |
| 15:04.28 | xpato | ? |
| 15:04.42 | tarzeau | xpato: sp2 of what? samba which version? |
| 15:04.44 | _joey_ | :)))) |
| 15:04.45 | jethro | xpato: they should know better in #samba |
| 15:05.04 | xpato | tarzeau, windows |
| 15:05.05 | xpato | samba 4 |
| 15:05.08 | xpato | samb3 |
| 15:05.13 | tarzeau | xpato: there's 40 versions of windows |
| 15:05.22 | tarzeau | xpato: and 20 versions of samba 3 |
| 15:05.24 | jethro | 40 ? |
| 15:05.29 | tarzeau | jethro: more or less |
| 15:05.45 | jethro | jesus |
| 15:05.45 | jharrisonwk | anyone know what holiday is tomorrow? |
| 15:05.45 | tarzeau | jethro: 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 4.0, 5.0 |
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| 15:05.54 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: "auffahrt" |
| 15:06.01 | jethro | I never heard of 2.0, started with 3.0, guess I was too young :) |
| 15:06.02 | Lorvija | jharrisonwk sure, just no idea what it's in english :P |
| 15:06.03 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: in english? |
| 15:06.06 | tarzeau | jethro: www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 15:06.11 | t_scytale | pentecost? ascension? sth like that? |
| 15:06.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no idea, try google translation |
| 15:06.25 | jharrisonwk | whit monday is may 31st |
| 15:06.26 | xpato | tarzeau, so you dont want to answer |
| 15:06.26 | jharrisonwk | not tomorrow |
| 15:06.36 | tarzeau | xpato: no i'm not a mind reader |
| 15:06.38 | Gnea | _joey_: this is the way it evolves: there are 4 base levels at any given time: stable, testing, unstable and experimental. stable is what most people are gonna use and find the least bugs on. testing is where bugs are taken care of in order to make the whole a more stable platform. unstable is where all the new packages are sent to to discover bugs and experimental is a lobby to unstable. |
| 15:06.39 | xpato | its simple that way for me and you |
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| 15:06.50 | tarzeau | xpato: no you are not precise enough |
| 15:06.52 | jethro | xpato: go to #samba and ask there |
| 15:07.00 | jethro | !tell xpato -about smart questions |
| 15:07.06 | jethro | read what dpkg tells you as well |
| 15:07.13 | tarzeau | xpato: you can't answer a question like i have a number, i add another to it, what number do i get? |
| 15:07.25 | Gnea | _joey_: it's kinda like when the seasons change in parts of the world... once in awhile testing gets put into ice age mode and all of the bugs are worked out of the system to produce the next stable version |
| 15:08.04 | jethro | tarzeau: if didn't get the fuunny part of jesuslol |
| 15:08.16 | Gnea | and then there are things like backports which glue the sets together |
| 15:08.19 | _joey_ | Gnea I understand stability is important for you production server, for my desktop at home I don't care if some application crashes |
| 15:08.27 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: cinco de mayo |
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| 15:08.41 | _joey_ | so I am going to run sarge for a little while it's new and then switch to testing |
| 15:08.41 | Gnea | _joey_: that's just a whole other level |
| 15:08.51 | Gnea | :) |
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| 15:09.17 | tarzeau | _joey_: i will go sit in a bussoon |
| 15:09.26 | doub | i'd like to build a multimedia (music, video) set-top box based on debian, as low-cost as possible. has anyone ever tried such a thing? what kind of hardware would you all recommand for such a purpose? |
| 15:09.28 | tarzeau | and then switch to the train |
| 15:09.36 | mutek | tarzeau: not a bassoon? |
| 15:09.41 | tarzeau | doub: yeah, i took a sparc classic |
| 15:09.54 | Gnea | !tell doub about mythtv |
| 15:09.56 | _joey_ | I've been using sarge for a little while and it's still testing |
| 15:10.02 | _joey_ | and so many other people:) |
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| 15:10.27 | Gnea | heh |
| 15:10.35 | Gnea | technically it is now officially frozen |
| 15:11.09 | simonrvn | techinically? |
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| 15:11.16 | simonrvn | techni* |
| 15:11.17 | xoz | which means no more migration from unstable? |
| 15:11.19 | newevmsuse1 | if you were building a departmental fileserver using debian and samba today would you use sarge |
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| 15:11.30 | tarzeau | xoz: not automatically |
| 15:11.36 | jethro | newevmsuse1: no |
| 15:11.40 | mutek | newevmsuse1: hmm - time to upgrade my stable server then? |
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| 15:11.54 | tarzeau | newevmsuse1: we use freebsd (ufs much performs better than extN) |
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| 15:12.23 | tarzeau | newevmsuse1: how many users? how much size? |
| 15:12.32 | Gnea | simonrvn: :) |
| 15:12.36 | mutek | tarzeau: only a handful |
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| 15:12.42 | tarzeau | mutek: ah , yes take sarge |
| 15:12.56 | tarzeau | mutek: i was thinking 1000+ |
| 15:13.03 | mutek | tarzeau: haha- no :-) |
| 15:13.32 | mutek | tarzeau: more like 10+ |
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| 15:13.38 | newevmsuse1 | tarzeau: about 20 users about 200GB but with raid5 |
| 15:13.41 | tarzeau | mutek: haha, for that you could even take GNU/Hurd |
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| 15:13.52 | tarzeau | you'll just need alot of partitions of each 2gb |
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| 15:13.58 | tarzeau | (oh wait, that's not anymore) |
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| 15:14.10 | Gnea | heh |
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| 15:14.19 | _joey_ | I've got reiserfs on 200G HDD |
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| 15:14.29 | _joey_ | as one partion |
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| 15:14.38 | jethro | !ricerfs |
| 15:14.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 15:14.43 | doub | Gnea: i know about mythtv. but that sounds far too common to be interesting |
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| 15:15.00 | _joey_ | reiserfs is goodie!!! |
| 15:15.02 | _joey_ | :) |
| 15:15.07 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 15:15.19 | doub | tarzeau: isn't sparc classic a bit too slow for such a purpose? the only info i find about it seem to indicate it's quite old |
| 15:15.21 | Gnea | doub: you asked, i answered, why criticize? |
| 15:15.22 | MrKeuner | hi, I used alien to convert some rpm, installed and then removed it. I still see it listed in synaptic as "not installed" when I choose custom mode/"obsolote or locallt installed". Can I remove it from there? |
| 15:15.23 | joserp_ | Hi all |
| 15:15.29 | simonrvn | !irritate me |
| 15:15.30 | dpkg | simonrvn: wenas who uses gnome plz msg me, Thunder- |
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| 15:15.56 | Thunder- | what the fuck? |
| 15:15.58 | _joey_ | sourceforge are using reiserfs on 50% of their serverws |
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| 15:16.09 | Thunder- | _joey_, no wonder its so slow and unstable |
| 15:16.12 | Thunder- | :P |
| 15:16.14 | Gnea | reiserfs is truely the suck |
| 15:16.19 | doub | Gnea: that's not criticism, at least not meaning "your advice is bullshit". what i mean is that i have plenty of time to loose, and no money, so i'd like to try something new |
| 15:16.20 | _joey_ | it's not |
| 15:16.36 | Thunder- | it is. |
| 15:16.41 | FieldySnuts | i use 3.6 at home and on servers, never had a problem in years, lots of other problems with other filesystems though. for me it's the only filesystem i trust. |
| 15:16.42 | doub | Gnea: in that respect, just taking an old pc, installing mythtv is just not fun |
| 15:16.48 | Gnea | _joey_: you've ran it on your systems for years and years? |
| 15:16.49 | _gentgeen_ | where can I tell aptitude to STOP getting all the recommended by default |
| 15:16.52 | Thunder- | actually all linux fs except jfs generally suck, freebsd has ufs though :P |
| 15:16.52 | _joey_ | well, I trust in sourceforge admins :) |
| 15:16.55 | boycer | !start a filesystem war |
| 15:16.56 | tarzeau | doub: worked fine for me, www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
| 15:17.02 | FieldySnuts | @start a fs war |
| 15:17.02 | ravenbird | JFS is better than NTFS!! |
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| 15:17.05 | tarzeau | doub: mine's from 1991 |
| 15:17.14 | _joey_ | ext2 ? |
| 15:17.14 | Gnea | doub: heh, i guess it depends just how old the machine is |
| 15:17.17 | FieldySnuts | hell, anything's better than ntfs |
| 15:17.18 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: it gets funny if they say XFS is best |
| 15:17.23 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: heh yeah |
| 15:17.32 | joserp_ | anyone can help me with a problem with autotools? |
| 15:17.36 | FieldySnuts | i like xfs but only if the system has a high end power backup system |
| 15:17.45 | space_cow_boy | could someone tell me how to find what device is associated with block (3,1) ? |
| 15:17.54 | simonrvn | 3,1 |
| 15:17.58 | xoz | joserp_: explain more your problem |
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| 15:18.12 | space_cow_boy | lol simonrvn but is that a disk? a ram disk or what? |
| 15:18.36 | simonrvn | drive,partition (if this is grub we're talking about) |
| 15:18.47 | Gnea | _joey_: so wait, you're saying that if it's good for one then it's gonna be the right choice for *every* application? |
| 15:18.49 | space_cow_boy | simonrvn, it is lilo |
| 15:18.50 | mwelsh | other than it being a microsoft concoction, whats wrong with ntfs? |
| 15:18.54 | simonrvn | similar |
| 15:19.00 | petemc | mwelsh: nothing, it works fine |
| 15:19.05 | tarzeau | mwelsh: damn very slow |
| 15:19.06 | petemc | same with fat32 |
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| 15:19.27 | simonrvn | POS wannabe fs |
| 15:19.35 | joserp_ | xoz, i'm trying to build a .deb but... when I test : make install DESTDIR=`pwd`/tmp I get errors like :"mkdir -p /usr/monouml/; \ cannot create directory" |
| 15:19.35 | Gnea | fat32 is good for one thing: removable media |
| 15:19.48 | tarzeau | joserp_: fix your Makefile ? |
| 15:19.49 | petemc | Gnea: cant say i agree |
| 15:20.00 | tarzeau | joserp_: add $(DESTDIR) before /usr/monouml/ |
| 15:20.12 | xoz | joserp_: you need root to do mkdir in /usr subdir |
| 15:20.13 | space_cow_boy | simonrv, so block(3,1) would be /hdc1 ? |
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| 15:20.23 | simonrvn | /dev/hdc1 |
| 15:20.26 | tarzeau | xoz: but he doesn't need to be root to build a .deb |
| 15:20.27 | Gnea | petemc: back in the floppy days, vfat outperformed ext2 on a floppy disk measured in minutes |
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| 15:20.32 | space_cow_boy | simonrvn thanks |
| 15:20.38 | tarzeau | sucks when users can build a .deb but not install them |
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| 15:20.42 | Gnea | still does, for that matter |
| 15:20.44 | tarzeau | dpkg should support local installations |
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| 15:20.54 | xoz | tarzeau: mkdir -p /usr/monouml does |
| 15:20.55 | doub | tarzeau: it plays mp3s (we seem to have very different musical tastes, if you ask ;) ), but can it play video? like MPEG4 derivatives? |
| 15:21.08 | tarzeau | xoz: but he really doesn't want that |
| 15:21.10 | joserp_ | xoz, i was passing the prefix |
| 15:21.14 | petemc | Gnea: i dont use floppy disks much, but fat32 is resilient, fairly well supported - just works most of the time |
| 15:21.22 | tarzeau | doub: oh , no it can't |
| 15:21.23 | xoz | ah, ok |
| 15:21.28 | gtichigene | How can I tell what version of Debian I am running? |
| 15:21.37 | Gnea | petemc: now as far as newer media types such as smartmedia, compactflash and the like, it depends on the application |
| 15:21.38 | tarzeau | gtichigene: cat /etc/debian*ersion |
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| 15:21.50 | gtichigene | tarzeau, thanks |
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| 15:22.19 | Gnea | petemc: right, i'm just saying floppy disks were the prime example of that :) |
| 15:22.37 | vxtop | A good place to see debian/linux screenshots - Looking for a new look for my box |
| 15:22.42 | Gnea | otherwise i'll take ext3 |
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| 15:23.01 | Gnea | vxtop: http://www.enlightenment.org |
| 15:23.01 | xoz | joserp_: can you try root? |
| 15:23.24 | xoz | joserp_: or fakeroot |
| 15:23.27 | tarzeau | vxtop: www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/gnustep.jpg |
| 15:23.45 | joserp_ | xoz, yes, but... when I build my .deb /usr/monouml is not in the package |
| 15:23.49 | space_cow_boy | simonrvn I figured out how to answer the question, cd /dev; file * > ~/foo.prn; cd ~; emacs foo.prn, and search for (3,1). /hda1 is block (3,1) |
| 15:23.50 | doub | tarzeau: you can install anywhere with the --root option |
| 15:23.59 | tarzeau | doub: will it work? |
| 15:24.03 | Gnea | vxtop: http://get-e.org/Screenshots/User_Submitted.html |
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| 15:24.21 | resiak | Okay, so if gnome-cd et al. refuse to play an audio CD ("Drive error") but cdparanoia and pals happily rip the same CDs, what should I poke? |
| 15:24.31 | space_cow_boy | simonrvn something called mem is block (1,1) this must be a ramdisk for the initrd file |
| 15:24.46 | doub | tarzeau: but i guess it requires some hand tweaking, like copying dpkg's databases and the like |
| 15:25.03 | xoz | joserp_: other people in the channel may have better suggestion. |
| 15:25.04 | IDC | can anyone recommend me a neat http browser for console please |
| 15:25.16 | tarzeau | IDC: links2 |
| 15:25.53 | grendal_prime | i got a question about serial devices |
| 15:25.54 | doub | tarzeau: you can still extract the deb, install it wherever you want, and eventually run the maintainer scripts by hand, but that's much burden |
| 15:25.55 | grendal_prime | i know i have asked this question before, but well i keeps comming up here and i have still been unable to determin if its possible...I have a machine that runs procom...and it emulates a vt100 terminal, it connects via a serial port adapter to a router that then connects to a larger network by dialing in. Dailup is the only way to connect to this larger network. Im wondering if i can replace the entier clients machine with |
| 15:25.55 | grendal_prime | on |
| 15:25.55 | grendal_prime | grendal_prime e linux machine and just uset xterm to connect to the router |
| 15:25.59 | IDC | tarzeau, installing linux2 :) |
| 15:25.59 | administrator | is there a way to do apt-get install and to include dependacy packages? |
| 15:26.10 | tarzeau | doub: will the software run from there? |
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| 15:26.17 | grendal_prime | ? |
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| 15:26.23 | grendal_prime | ust aptitude |
| 15:26.31 | doub | tarzeau: if you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, PATH and the like, it should |
| 15:26.31 | papilas | hola |
| 15:26.38 | joserp_ | thanks xoz ;) |
| 15:26.39 | grendal_prime | i thought apt-get did include dependencys |
| 15:26.55 | vxtop | A good place to see debian/linux screenshots - Looking for a new look for my box |
| 15:26.57 | tarzeau | doub: maybe .. i'll try the hassle |
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| 15:27.35 | administrator | o, I'm trying to install webmin and is missing some packages |
| 15:27.49 | tarzeau | administrator: it's broken |
| 15:27.50 | Gnea | !tell vxtop about repeat |
| 15:27.56 | doub | administrator: webmin in woody is broken |
| 15:28.04 | doub | administrator: in sarge sorry |
| 15:28.11 | tarzeau | doub: it |
| 15:28.19 | tarzeau | doub: is it not broken, anywhere? |
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| 15:28.40 | Gnea | vxtop: http://tinyurl.com/7n4ew |
| 15:28.41 | doub | tarzeau: that's a matter of taste ;) |
| 15:28.49 | space_cow_boy | I have this old AMD k6 box, I am trying to compile a 2.6.11.7 kernel for it. The kernel tries to mount /dev/hda1, as /, and it goes into a kernel pannic. /dev/hda1 is an ext2 file system. In make menuconfig, I selected <*> Second extended fs support, and [*] Ext2 extended attributes and [*] Ext2 POSIX Access control list and [*] Ext2 Security labels. Did I do this correctly or did I screw something up? |
| 15:28.51 | vxtop | Gnea: sorry but there arent much screenshots on that site you gave me.... i visited a site 1-2 months ago with many screenshots, cant remember the name :( |
| 15:28.52 | administrator | thanks for the info, I'm running a new version of knoppix and in my old knoppix version it worked just fine |
| 15:28.55 | whitefunk | hello everyone - if i need a script to run at startup, where is the file that i can add scripts to run at startup? |
| 15:29.02 | whitefunk | id prefer not to use update-rd.d |
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| 15:29.11 | tarzeau | whitefunk: /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat |
| 15:29.27 | tarzeau | whitefunk: what says who -r? |
| 15:30.05 | whitefunk | runlevel 2 |
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| 15:30.28 | whitefunk | i thought it was rc.local |
| 15:30.37 | whitefunk | maybe thats another distro. |
| 15:30.44 | Gnea | what a h0bag, that google link has THOUSANDS of screenshots linked |
| 15:31.54 | Essobi | What what? |
| 15:32.37 | Gnea | Essobi: that vxtop person... oh well |
| 15:32.44 | Gnea | http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/255_or/3.png <-- now that's a sweet view |
| 15:32.44 | Essobi | Oh, oh, yea. |
| 15:33.24 | Essobi | people think I'm wierd cause I run so minimalistic. |
| 15:33.26 | Azar | greycat, great read thanks for the link |
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| 15:34.09 | grendal_prime | ya but you need a bunch more shit scatterd all over the desktop |
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| 15:34.17 | space_cow_boy | greycat, I bet you know the answer to my last question about Ext2 file system report. Would you take a look for me, please? |
| 15:34.19 | grendal_prime | that looks like a housewives desktop |
| 15:34.20 | Gnea | yeah well people think I'm weird cuz I run E |
| 15:34.28 | Essobi | I run fluxbox with no window decorations. |
| 15:34.49 | Essobi | I run fluxbox with no window decorations on a 3 headed setup, at that. :) |
| 15:35.12 | Gnea | nice |
| 15:35.17 | Azar | I liked openbox better after I tried fluxbox |
| 15:35.24 | grendal_prime | hmmm....here ill show you an desktop that is actually working |
| 15:35.24 | Gnea | fluxbox is ereet |
| 15:35.25 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 15:35.39 | Essobi | All I use is my keyboard and keybindings, so it makes me happy. :) |
| 15:36.23 | grendal_prime | whos good with funky serial stuff? |
| 15:36.45 | grendal_prime | awwwwwwwwwww crap coffee is empty |
| 15:36.46 | grendal_prime | brb |
| 15:37.35 | Gnea | Essobi: http://gnea.net/gallery/album15/e17_ss?full=1 |
| 15:37.50 | Gnea | Essobi: a bit old but basically where i'm at |
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| 15:38.10 | MrKeuner | I used alien to convert some rpm, installed and then removed it. I still see it listed in synaptic as "not installed" when I choose custom mode/"obsolote or locallt installed". Can I remove it from there? |
| 15:38.35 | greycat | MrKeuner: try "dpkg --purge" |
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| 15:38.53 | greycat | !tell space_cow_boy about debian kernel image |
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| 15:41.23 | MrKeuner | # dpkg -r armagetronad-executable --purge |
| 15:41.23 | MrKeuner | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove armagetronad-executable which isn't installed. |
| 15:41.39 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 15:41.40 | Essobi | my copy buffer not mapping up to firefox is getting aggravating |
| 15:42.28 | Essobi | Gnea nice |
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| 15:42.35 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:42.53 | Essobi | I don't see anything about openbox that tickles me althou |
| 15:42.58 | Gnea | Essobi: granted, the pager design has changed considerably since |
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| 15:43.17 | Gnea | like now it isn't trans anymore, hopefully they'll bring that back |
| 15:43.21 | grendal_prime | heeheh that desktop is a pic of discovery bay |
| 15:43.32 | grendal_prime | i just took the wife and kids down there last month |
| 15:43.45 | Gnea | grendal_prime: oh the one at golden gate? |
| 15:43.46 | grendal_prime | the musem there is cool... |
| 15:43.49 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 15:43.52 | Gnea | right on |
| 15:43.56 | Gnea | i've driven across it |
| 15:43.57 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:44.26 | grendal_prime | ya wife is from marin county we use to drive over that thing every weekend |
| 15:44.29 | Gnea | used to go up to Benetia to visit a gf |
| 15:44.47 | Gnea | i miss the bay area |
| 15:44.54 | grendal_prime | i would rent a 172 and fly into navato...had a car there or her mom would com pic me up |
| 15:44.54 | Gnea | lived in south bay |
| 15:45.08 | FieldySnuts | @lart the left coast |
| 15:45.19 | Gnea | navato has some shweet renn faires |
| 15:45.33 | grendal_prime | ya we work them every year |
| 15:45.37 | grendal_prime | i do fencing instruction |
| 15:45.40 | Gnea | nice |
| 15:45.47 | grendal_prime | and wiffy works ail stand |
| 15:45.48 | Gnea | i only managed to go once |
| 15:45.55 | grendal_prime | well we did until this year |
| 15:45.57 | Gnea | i think it was '95 or '96 |
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| 15:46.13 | grendal_prime | we got two kids two months ago and now...we stay at home alot |
| 15:46.19 | Gnea | right on |
| 15:46.23 | Essobi | Gnea I don't run a pager. I have 3 multiheads, and I run every program full screen.. save maybe gaim |
| 15:46.28 | Gnea | i simply haven't found the right person yet |
| 15:46.36 | Gnea | took a lot of time off to concentrate on me |
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| 15:47.10 | Gnea | Essobi: heh see i like to run a million apps at once, figuratively speaking ;) |
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| 15:47.16 | grendal_prime | i did that...i got my pilots liscense..its a good way to learn who you are and what your capable of |
| 15:47.23 | Essobi | Gnea I do. |
| 15:47.25 | Gnea | yeah |
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| 15:47.48 | Gnea | Essobi: i like having the pagers so i can keep track quicker |
| 15:47.53 | Essobi | Gnea 3 Eterms, xmms, gaim, and firefox... maybe an xcalc |
| 15:47.56 | Essobi | :) |
| 15:48.02 | Essobi | I segment mine by heads.. |
| 15:48.02 | Gnea | especially when the boss is on the phone ;) |
| 15:48.31 | Essobi | meta4-tab jumps between heads (workspaces) and alt-tab cycles through progams on that head. |
| 15:48.33 | Gnea | i've only sat down to a xinerama a few times |
| 15:48.43 | Essobi | It's not Xin.. it's multi-head. |
| 15:48.45 | Gnea | i need to put together a new workstation for that |
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| 15:48.49 | Azar | I can't wait to see openoffice |
| 15:49.03 | Essobi | It's 3 seperate fluxboxs running.. |
| 15:49.05 | Gnea | right but you run X with the -xinerama switch right? |
| 15:49.08 | Gnea | ooooh |
| 15:49.09 | Gnea | like |
| 15:49.09 | Essobi | ayup |
| 15:49.13 | Gnea | :0 :1 :2? |
| 15:49.22 | Essobi | I could have kde/flux/open |
| 15:49.22 | Gnea | hrm |
| 15:49.24 | Essobi | yea.. |
| 15:49.31 | space_cow_boy | greycat, the kernel image hangs the system. In fact if I try to do run the rescue disk with the 2.4 kernel, that kernel hangs the system |
| 15:49.32 | simonrvn | startx&; startx -- :1 &; startx -- :2& |
| 15:49.34 | Essobi | you can have more then 1 wm running if you really wanted |
| 15:49.41 | Gnea | i know |
| 15:49.46 | Gnea | f8 f9 ... |
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| 15:49.51 | Essobi | simonrvn nah, startx takes care of that for me. |
| 15:50.02 | greycat | space_cow_boy: and the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 15:50.04 | Essobi | I have all 3 heads running flux so no worries there. |
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| 15:50.13 | greycat | simonrvn: zsh? |
| 15:50.20 | greycat | simonrvn: that's a syntax error in bash/ksh/sh |
| 15:50.21 | space_cow_boy | greycat I haven't tried that one yet |
| 15:50.25 | simonrvn | hmm, i'll have to look that up |
| 15:50.26 | Essobi | So essentially it is -xinerama |
| 15:50.30 | Gnea | i gotta get a system with pci express and toss multiple cards in it |
| 15:50.39 | simonrvn | greycat: yeh, zsh-ism |
| 15:50.43 | greycat | imadev:~$ sleep 1 &; echo yes |
| 15:50.43 | greycat | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 15:50.44 | Gnea | dude! |
| 15:50.51 | greycat | imadev:~$ sleep 1 & echo yes |
| 15:50.53 | greycat | [1] 14376 |
| 15:50.53 | greycat | yes |
| 15:50.59 | Essobi | But yea.. I love it. I run deco less and get some sick desktop realestate. |
| 15:51.01 | simonrvn | backgrounds all 3 |
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| 15:51.10 | FieldySnuts | @any ideas |
| 15:51.11 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed kittens. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 15:51.13 | FieldySnuts | anything like that? |
| 15:51.26 | greycat | simonrvn: just replace &; with & everywhere and then it's normal. |
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| 15:51.41 | simonrvn | sure. i do "the normal way" in bash and such |
| 15:51.47 | Gnea | Essobi: could you like, run things like the 3 startx's but then also run a fourth that actually DOES switch to all 3 at once? |
| 15:52.09 | Gnea | Essobi: just a matter of ctrl-alt-F10 or something? |
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| 15:52.54 | Essobi | Gnea Huh? I only run 1 startx, and it's essentially running -xinerama.. and firing up 3 wms on each head. |
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| 15:53.10 | Gnea | Essobi: right right, that's not what i'm saying... |
| 15:53.15 | obtix | how do i extract the defualt smb.conf from the samba package? i tried dpkg-reconfigure that didnt work |
| 15:53.27 | Gnea | Essobi: ok, i've seen one desktop spread over 2-3 monitors before - that's xinerama |
| 15:53.40 | Essobi | Gnea Right. |
| 15:53.45 | Essobi | That's +xinerama |
| 15:53.53 | Essobi | I'm running -xinerama |
| 15:54.02 | Gnea | so |
| 15:54.06 | grendal_prime | Gnea, here is the perfect car for the bay...especially sf. |
| 15:54.09 | Gnea | could you do both? |
| 15:54.09 | simonrvn | man X |
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| 15:54.11 | Essobi | meaning I can't drag program from 1 window to another.. |
| 15:54.23 | Gnea | simonrvn: lol |
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| 15:54.45 | Gnea | Essobi: not if they're different X servers... |
| 15:54.46 | grendal_prime | http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4546787941&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT |
| 15:54.47 | Essobi | Gnea I could.. but my X300 ATI driver is broken, so it pisses up +xinerama |
| 15:54.51 | FieldySnuts | @lart ati |
| 15:54.56 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 15:54.59 | FieldySnuts | hope ravenbird isn't grounded |
| 15:55.07 | Essobi | Yea yea.. I didn't buy it, it's a work machine. |
| 15:55.08 | simonrvn | *bzzzzt* |
| 15:55.15 | Gnea | i'm a geforce kinda guy as it is |
| 15:55.26 | Gnea | right on |
| 15:55.51 | Essobi | I could care less.. I have a 5-headed PCI running +xin one time.. |
| 15:55.55 | Essobi | Had.. |
| 15:56.06 | Essobi | That had 5 different PCI cards. :) |
| 15:56.11 | obtix | how do i extract the defualt smb.conf from the samba package? i tried dpkg-reconfigure that didnt work |
| 15:56.20 | FieldySnuts | i wouldn't mind 2 more 21" ibms here, mainly to play flightgear on |
| 15:56.25 | Essobi | Last one I setup was an 8-headed PCI box.. That was fun. |
| 15:56.28 | greycat | obtix: dpkg -i --force-confmiss ... |
| 15:56.35 | Gnea | grendal_prime: sweet sweet ride |
| 15:56.45 | obtix | greycat thank you |
| 15:57.17 | Gnea | Essobi: how'd that go? all dual-head cards? |
| 15:57.23 | _gentgeen_ | running 'aptitude upgrade' and I get this -- "Err http://ftp.us.debian.org sarge/main libc6-dev 2.3.2.ds1-21" -- anyone know what is going on?? |
| 15:57.23 | Essobi | Gnea Sweet. |
| 15:57.32 | Essobi | 4 2-headed PCI cards |
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| 15:57.52 | Gnea | Essobi: which cards, exactly? |
| 15:57.53 | Essobi | Had 8 16" LCDs mounted on the wall in 4x4. |
| 15:58.02 | Gnea | i gotta plan this y'know hehe |
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| 15:58.16 | Essobi | I can't remember.. TNT2 chipset if I remember right |
| 15:58.17 | greycat | _gentgeen_: what was the error? |
| 15:58.22 | Essobi | has native multi-head in X |
| 15:58.23 | Gnea | hrm |
| 15:58.25 | _gentgeen_ | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org sarge/main libc6-dev 2.3.2.ds1-21 |
| 15:58.32 | _gentgeen_ | Error reading from server Remote end closed connection [IP: 35.9.37.225 80] |
| 15:58.33 | Essobi | s/has/had |
| 15:58.51 | greycat | _gentgeen_: try again. ftp.us.d.o is a round robin. |
| 15:59.07 | Essobi | I wish they'd sprung for the edgeless bezel LCDs when I built it.. |
| 15:59.10 | _gentgeen_ | ok |
| 15:59.13 | Essobi | IT'd looked super sweet. |
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| 15:59.44 | _joey_ | http://www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/cards8.png |
| 15:59.56 | _joey_ | my desktop :) |
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| 16:00.19 | grendal_prime | im selling that car |
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| 16:00.26 | grendal_prime | auction is done on friday |
| 16:00.33 | grendal_prime | its really fun car |
| 16:00.41 | Gnea | grendal_prime: nice. |
| 16:00.44 | Gnea | i need a new car |
| 16:00.46 | grendal_prime | but cant fit the kids carseats in it |
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| 16:00.50 | Gnea | hehe |
| 16:01.04 | _gentgeen_ | greycat, maybe I mis-understood, I got an error with 'aptitude update' |
| 16:01.04 | Gnea | i'm thinkin' a newer mx6 |
| 16:01.06 | _gentgeen_ | Err http://ftp.us.d.o sarge/main Release |
| 16:01.07 | _gentgeen_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.07 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.11 | simonrvn | cars-- |
| 16:01.14 | Gnea | there's one in cinci |
| 16:01.23 | spazz | Hi.. I got Sarge, but I cant start Blender3d |
| 16:01.26 | spazz | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 16:01.26 | spazz | ERROR: Unable to open Blender window |
| 16:01.31 | mtnman | exerd: -vo xv if your card supports it. |
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| 16:01.36 | Gnea | simonrvn: yeah i'd be that way too if public transit were better here |
| 16:01.40 | spazz | what do i have to do? |
| 16:01.46 | simonrvn | i do bikes |
| 16:01.49 | exerd | mtnman, i use a geforce 4 mx |
| 16:01.59 | dfzi | http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Bunnyh_&image_id=11391400 |
| 16:02.02 | mtnman | exerd: try xvinfo from command line. |
| 16:02.04 | dfzi | whoops, wrong url |
| 16:02.04 | greycat | Someone just please kill me now and get it over with. |
| 16:02.24 | Gnea | simonrvn: but see, i drive hundreds, even thousands of miles to get shit done |
| 16:02.27 | exerd | mtnman, okey what shall i look for? |
| 16:02.30 | mtnman | greycat: how many lives do you have left. |
| 16:02.33 | greycat | _gentgeen_: ftp.us.DEBIAN.ORG is a round robin. |
| 16:02.38 | mtnman | exerd: uh, xv support. |
| 16:02.40 | Gnea | simonrvn: it's how i was raised, i enjoy it |
| 16:02.44 | FieldySnuts | greycat: explain it in idiot terms. |
| 16:02.55 | spazz | *his |
| 16:02.57 | _gentgeen_ | Doh |
| 16:03.00 | Gnea | if they can make a hydrogen based car i'd go for it |
| 16:03.01 | Essobi | Is it just me, or is the evolution-exchange just a heaping pile of shit? |
| 16:03.04 | greycat | _gentgeen_: ftp.us.d.o is AN ABBREVIATION FOR THE HOSTNAME YOU ALREADY HAD. CHANGING IT WAS NOT EXPECTED. JUST TRY IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S A ROUND ROBIN. |
| 16:03.11 | Essobi | Gnea They have already. |
| 16:03.18 | spazz | Got following error, can you help me? |
| 16:03.18 | spazz | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 16:03.18 | spazz | ERROR: Unable to open Blender window |
| 16:03.23 | _gentgeen_ | right, feeling stupid now :-) |
| 16:03.46 | Gnea | Essobi: i know they're testing it on the west coast now |
| 16:03.46 | Gnea | but it's not in full production mode yet afaik |
| 16:03.46 | Essobi | Gnea and washington DC |
| 16:03.46 | Gnea | then again... |
| 16:03.46 | Gnea | Essobi: hrm... |
| 16:03.47 | Essobi | they build a "gas" station for them |
| 16:03.52 | Gnea | heh |
| 16:04.04 | Essobi | s/build/built |
| 16:04.04 | exerd | mtnman, hmm okey ist this the right command? "mplayer -vo xv |
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| 16:04.18 | Essobi | I read how someone was throwing a big stinka bout it.. |
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| 16:04.27 | mtnman | exerd: mplayer -vo xv <mediafilename> |
| 16:04.34 | polytek | ++ |
| 16:04.40 | Essobi | when in all practical senses it's safer then a gasoline station |
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| 16:05.40 | exerd | mtnman, Tnx it works. Can i make it run that command by default? |
| 16:05.45 | Gnea | Essobi: yeah the car companies |
| 16:05.55 | Gnea | Essobi: they just put all those hummers 'n shit out on the road |
| 16:05.58 | mtnman | exerd: yes, read the mplayer docs and set up a config file. |
| 16:06.03 | Gnea | i see them all around town here |
| 16:06.12 | Gnea | peoples egos get huge over 'em |
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| 16:06.32 | Gnea | i see these kids driving down the street in their monster trucks jumping up and down in their seat like they're the shit |
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| 16:06.44 | FieldySnuts | heh i saw a newer one ramped up on a cement filled pole (yellow one) at a taco bell |
| 16:06.44 | mtnman | gnea: they are compensating for a lack in another department. |
| 16:06.51 | Gnea | mtnman: precisely. |
| 16:06.54 | FieldySnuts | it's front tires were about 4 feet off the ground, it was supporting it |
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| 16:07.24 | FieldySnuts | i tried to get a picture, but the police got pissed |
| 16:07.25 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: oh, soemone did a number back east a couple winters ago... |
| 16:07.35 | Gnea | sec lemme find |
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| 16:07.45 | phillipsjk | How should I got about changing settings in XF86Config-4? (it mention dexconf) |
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| 16:08.12 | mtnman | phillipsjk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 should do the trick. |
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| 16:08.52 | Gnea | http://gnea.net/albums/album09/whoops.png |
| 16:08.55 | Gnea | woops that's not it |
| 16:09.09 | Lee__ | yea, sarge is frozen! |
| 16:09.23 | amorphix | like a block of ice |
| 16:09.36 | grendal_prime | oh by the way Essobi your questioni about...well this question here Essobi Is it just me, or is the evolution-exchange just a heaping pile of shit |
| 16:09.46 | amorphix | nothing goes out or comes in |
| 16:10.00 | grendal_prime | i think your onto something with the heaping pile of shit part |
| 16:10.05 | amorphix | lol |
| 16:10.09 | tarzeau | amorphix: light maybe |
| 16:10.18 | Lee__ | exchange, a pile of shit? no way. |
| 16:10.23 | amorphix | tarzeau: ahh yes |
| 16:10.51 | grendal_prime | im looking at groupware stuff for the past few days... |
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| 16:11.00 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: did you see opengroupware.org? |
| 16:11.08 | rue_mohr | !units 8740m feet |
| 16:11.09 | grendal_prime | i have not found a single one that seems to work right |
| 16:11.13 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: it didn't work well for me (a year ago, almost) |
| 16:11.14 | grendal_prime | im looking at it today tarzeau |
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| 16:11.28 | grendal_prime | i set up egroupware yesterday |
| 16:11.34 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: php? |
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| 16:11.43 | grendal_prime | but the config for email is ...well its got me a little bit baffled |
| 16:11.50 | phillipsjk | mtnman: Looks like I can get it working now |
| 16:11.54 | grendal_prime | ya php i dont use anything but php |
| 16:12.00 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: i only needed the calendaring of ogo |
| 16:12.00 | rue_mohr | oops, wrong channel |
| 16:12.16 | grendal_prime | my primary work here is php basically i built tracking systems with php, apache and postgresq... |
| 16:12.18 | mtnman | phillipsjk: if that was a "thank you", then you are welcome. |
| 16:12.29 | exerd | mtnman, i putt the -vo xv in my mplayer configfile but i get "Option mplayer needs a parameter at line 2" |
| 16:12.30 | tarzeau | grendal_prime: that works well? scales? |
| 16:13.08 | ircdevil | wow? hot news! sarge is frozen! :o) |
| 16:13.08 | grendal_prime | postgresql, tracking systems...like customer tracking for quazi gov agencys...org's basically |
| 16:13.24 | mtnman | exerd: if you read the docs you would find that the syntax is "vo=xv" |
| 16:13.45 | IDC | take care all,night |
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| 16:14.51 | phillipsjk | mtnman: I just wanted to see the desktop before saying "Thank-you" ;) |
| 16:15.03 | obtix | where in kernel 2.6.8 is af_packet or SOCK_PACKET? |
| 16:15.13 | mtnman | phillipsjk: ok. |
| 16:15.17 | grendal_prime | egrouipware actually works quite well |
| 16:16.00 | ircdevil | !bugs |
| 16:16.03 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 16:16.15 | ircdevil | dpkg factinfo bugs |
| 16:16.15 | dpkg | bugs -- last modified at Wed Mar 22 01:46:34 2000 by odinhuntr!erik@ghww128.Res.McGill.CA; it has been requested 235 times, last by eris23, 2d 19h 23m 14s ago. |
| 16:16.33 | exerd | mtnman, Thanks it works now! thank you very much |
| 16:16.51 | mtnman | exerd: you're welcome. |
| 16:17.29 | A-z-i-z | how do i start services in debian ? |
| 16:17.34 | A-z-i-z | or example apache ? |
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| 16:17.40 | A-z-i-z | or = for |
| 16:17.40 | anhi | A-z-i-z: /etc/init.d/<prog> start |
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| 16:17.59 | A-z-i-z | thanks |
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| 16:18.18 | visik7 | hi |
| 16:18.26 | exerd | Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf). where can i find subfont.ttf? |
| 16:18.43 | mtnman | exerd: you need mplayer fonts package. |
| 16:19.22 | mtnman | exerd: it is called "mplayer-fonts" |
| 16:19.30 | visik7 | in the ./debian tree inside a source package there isn't any file that specify the dependancies only the dependancies for the building process but not for the packages created |
| 16:19.53 | stew | visik7: debian/control |
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| 16:20.15 | visik7 | yes there are the dependancies for the building process like libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 16:20.31 | simonrvn | debian/control, and the ../*.dsc |
| 16:20.37 | visik7 | but when the package is created the dependancy is against libgtk2.0 |
| 16:20.41 | visik7 | how debian know it ? |
| 16:20.53 | stew | visik7: in control, there are Depends: lines |
| 16:20.59 | exerd | mtnman, thanks you rock! |
| 16:21.11 | mtnman | exerd: well, i do live in the rockies... |
| 16:21.19 | exerd | =) |
| 16:21.20 | stew | visik7: there are Build-Depends: lines for source packages and Depends: lines for binary packages |
| 16:21.35 | visik7 | I see |
| 16:21.35 | visik7 | thank you |
| 16:21.44 | simonrvn | e.g. |
| 16:21.46 | simonrvn | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, debconf (>= 0.5), coreutils (>= 4.5.1-1) | fileutils (>= 4.0i-1), psmisc, libldap-2.2-7 (= ${Source-Version}), perl (>> 5.8.0) | libmime-base64-perl |
| 16:22.06 | visik7 | what' mean ${shlibs:Depends} |
| 16:22.15 | simonrvn | shared libs deps |
| 16:22.27 | simonrvn | dh_shlib calculates it |
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| 16:22.59 | stew | dh_shlibdep |
| 16:23.02 | simonrvn | dh_shlibdeps* |
| 16:23.05 | stew | s |
| 16:23.07 | stew | yeah |
| 16:23.15 | visik7 | 'couse I'm recompiling a gtk package against libgtk+2.0-directfb-udeb-dev and I would like to know what I have to change in the control file |
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| 16:23.29 | shaggyoaf | hi all, I have a "Pc Flight Pro" joystick plugged into the game port on my es1371 sound card. I have joydev, gameport and ns558 modules in the kernel but I still have no /dev/js0 |
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| 16:23.39 | shaggyoaf | what do I need to do? |
| 16:23.53 | simonrvn | create /dev/js0 |
| 16:24.12 | exerd | mtnman, i get Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied |
| 16:24.31 | shaggyoaf | simonrvn: I did that, mknod /dev/js0 c 13 0 |
| 16:24.37 | shaggyoaf | it says no such device |
| 16:24.38 | mtnman | exerd: if i were you, i'd plug that error msg into a google search. |
| 16:24.40 | shaggyoaf | (when I cat it) |
| 16:24.43 | FieldySnuts | check the permissions |
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| 16:25.13 | mtnman | exerd: it is probably due to your user not having permission to read /dev/rtc or whatever. |
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| 16:25.45 | simonrvn | then it isn't there. you probably need to load a module |
| 16:25.46 | exerd | mtnman, ok id do that. Just a last question. Why do i get MMX2 supported but disabled,3DNow supported but disabled |
| 16:26.03 | mtnman | exerd: i have no idea. |
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| 16:26.38 | shaggyoaf | exerd: it has to do with how your kernel was compiled. There's a "processor family" option in there |
| 16:26.55 | obtix | where in kernel 2.6.8 is af_packet or SOCK_PACKET? |
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| 16:27.14 | simonrvn | networking options |
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| 16:27.35 | exerd | shaggyoaf, : ok do this settings do anything negative? |
| 16:27.43 | exerd | i mean because they are disabled |
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| 16:27.59 | mtnman | exerd: what kernel are you running? (uname -a will tell you) |
| 16:28.57 | exerd | mtnman, Linux robin 2.6.11.7 #1 Tue Apr 12 21:58:46 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:29.27 | mtnman | exerd: did you compile it or is it stock? |
| 16:30.06 | exerd | mtnman, i got help with it |
| 16:30.25 | exerd | mtnman, drac helped me |
| 16:30.31 | mtnman | exerd: i asked you a question with two possible answers. you gave me a third. |
| 16:30.54 | valdyn | exerd: why do you use a self compiled kernel at all? |
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| 16:31.16 | valdyn | exerd: a 2.6.11.7 based kernel image is in sid.. |
| 16:31.26 | mtnman | exerd: sounds like you need to either recompile, or install a stock kernel. |
| 16:31.59 | valdyn | !fuck jabber.org |
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| 16:32.22 | CleriC | hi everybody |
| 16:32.24 | exerd | mtnman, I did compile it myself with help of drac |
| 16:32.52 | mtnman | exerd: okay, but it doesn't seem to be compiled with some options which you seem to desire. |
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| 16:33.11 | doub | valdyn: so i'm not alone. the connection here crashes at least once a day (to jabber.org) |
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| 16:33.31 | exerd | mtnman, what do those options do? |
| 16:33.49 | IDC | is it true that more and more linux users are tenting to work on X env. because console is a bit of outdate nowadays ? |
| 16:33.53 | mtnman | exerd: um you said something about mmx support. i don't really remember. |
| 16:34.22 | visik7 | IDC: I'm recompiling all X programs using gtk-directfb and QT embedded to remove X server :P |
| 16:34.30 | exerd | mtnman, yea thats right |
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| 16:34.45 | IDC | visik7, lol |
| 16:34.59 | IDC | visik7, hey,nice :) |
| 16:35.06 | CleriC | sorry guys.. somebody know the exim4 packets in debian sarge ? |
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| 16:35.27 | visik7 | IDC X sucks me |
| 16:35.28 | valdyn | !tell CleriC about ask |
| 16:36.03 | CleriC | ok |
| 16:36.05 | CleriC | sorry |
| 16:36.38 | CleriC | what is exim4 ? |
| 16:36.45 | visik7 | an MTA |
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| 16:36.50 | valdyn | CleriC: a mail transport agent |
| 16:36.58 | CleriC | i need it ? |
| 16:37.06 | visik7 | maybe |
| 16:37.07 | valdyn | CleriC: ( commonly misnomaed mailserver ) |
| 16:37.13 | stew | transfer |
| 16:37.25 | valdyn | CleriC: you _need_ one mta, going with the default isnt bad |
| 16:37.45 | CleriC | i use my hotmail account... i think don't need a mailserver |
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| 16:38.04 | valdyn | CleriC: you do, if you want to run linux or any unixish OS |
| 16:38.11 | stew | CleriC: your machine might need to mail you, for instance |
| 16:38.55 | valdyn | CleriC: you may want to configure exim4 to only deliver local mail in that case, but you need an mta |
| 16:39.01 | CleriC | when i configure it, i must to use local ip address ? |
| 16:39.17 | CleriC | 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 16:39.21 | valdyn | CleriC: no need to specify any iirc |
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| 16:39.31 | greycat | CleriC: just use the defaults. |
| 16:40.03 | CleriC | ok |
| 16:40.09 | CleriC | thx a lot |
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| 16:40.44 | CleriC | valdyn... do you use x-chat ? |
| 16:40.53 | valdyn | CleriC: no |
| 16:41.00 | CleriC | what client ? |
| 16:41.07 | valdyn | irssi |
| 16:41.22 | CleriC | ok |
| 16:41.44 | CleriC | thx |
| 16:41.47 | CleriC | see you soon |
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| 16:42.25 | valdyn | phillipsjk: cat /dev/ttyS0, move your mouse, then you should know |
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| 16:44.24 | phillipsjk | valdyn: thanks for the tip. (got nothing for either port) |
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| 16:47.17 | exerd | i get this errormessage when logging in "/etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp |
| 16:47.18 | exerd | /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/X11R6/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "exerd" |
| 16:47.18 | exerd | /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup..." |
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| 16:48.15 | exerd | anybody knows what could be wrong? |
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| 16:48.28 | t_scytale | ummm. looks kind of normal actually |
| 16:48.40 | exerd | i cant log in |
| 16:48.50 | exerd | =8 |
| 16:48.52 | exerd | damn |
| 16:48.53 | theBLU | hi |
| 16:49.00 | theBLU | hoe are u there? |
| 16:49.01 | greycat | !pal GNOME users |
| 16:49.06 | theBLU | i mean how |
| 16:49.12 | theBLU | are u |
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| 16:49.59 | t_scytale | exerd so after that message do you see anything else? |
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| 16:51.59 | exerd | Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startupscripts. Whats the startupscript? |
| 16:52.04 | obtix | how do i totally remove and reinstall a package (apt-get remove leaves to much stuff and when i delete what it leaves and do apt-get install samba it doesn't install like new again and forgets certain things) |
| 16:52.11 | jharrisonwk | mmmmmm webhosting |
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| 16:52.17 | abrotman | obtix: purge |
| 16:52.22 | abrotman | obtix: man apt-get ; man dpkg |
| 16:52.39 | greycat | exerd: make one. read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 16:56.00 | cahoot | exerd: or make an entry for it in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 16:58.48 | bab_fast | . |
| 16:59.05 | straypper | hola |
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| 16:59.13 | bab_fast | hy |
| 16:59.14 | bab_fast | my x is broken .. |
| 16:59.25 | CleriC | hi chat |
| 16:59.39 | straypper | spanish |
| 16:59.40 | Deep6 | may or may not be a stupid question but which encryption algo does ssh use? |
| 16:59.43 | straypper | ¿? |
| 16:59.44 | greycat | !es |
| 16:59.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:59.56 | greycat | Deep6: ssh -v will tell you. |
| 17:00.01 | straypper | ok tanks |
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| 17:01.09 | exerd | tnx |
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| 17:01.25 | Deep6 | greycat, -v or do you mean -V at any rate I don't see anything I recognize, blowfish AES etc etc |
| 17:01.38 | Deep6 | or is it peer <-> dependant |
| 17:01.41 | CleriC | somebody use winmx ? |
| 17:01.43 | greycat | debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none |
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| 17:02.04 | greycat | etc. |
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| 17:02.09 | Nykheyn | someone knows the make-jpkg ? |
| 17:02.23 | stew | Deep6: man ssh, look for -c |
| 17:02.25 | greycat | Deep6: there are lists of which ciphers are acceptable on both ends, and they negotiate. |
| 17:02.30 | Deep6 | grey I see it sorry |
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| 17:02.46 | gtichigene | Please tell what file do I edit to tell sendmail where my pop3 and smtp servers are, etc. |
| 17:02.49 | Deep6 | thanks |
| 17:02.55 | Deep6 | now I can fill out this crap SOX doc |
| 17:03.17 | Deep6 | bab_fast, please don't message me privately without asking |
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| 17:03.45 | bab_fast | i have a little problem with my x |
| 17:03.50 | Deep6 | bab_fast, ask here |
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| 17:04.07 | stew | gtichigene: sendmail and pop have nothing to do with eachother |
| 17:04.08 | bab_fast | a lib file it missining |
| 17:04.29 | bab_fast | a file like libind.so.11 |
| 17:04.40 | greycat | bab_fast: /msg dpkg search |
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| 17:04.52 | mendieta48 | hi |
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| 17:05.43 | mendieta48 | how I can install a previous version of a package, I have rsync-2.6.4-4 installed but I need 2.6.4-2 |
| 17:05.46 | mendieta48 | ? |
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| 17:05.49 | mendieta48 | thanks |
| 17:05.50 | gtichigene | stew: Oops, sorry. I need to send mail to a mail server from my Linux box. My only experience with Internet email has been using Pop3 and smtp. How do I send Internet mail from Linux box? |
| 17:05.51 | greycat | mendieta48: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 17:07.00 | mendieta48 | greycat, can apt-get reverse upgrade? |
| 17:07.16 | greycat | mendieta48: dpkg |
| 17:07.23 | rave | !nl |
| 17:07.24 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 17:07.28 | stew | gtichigene: and why are you using sendmail isntead of exim or postfix or something? |
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| 17:07.41 | MidgetSpy | is there a way to make a service start when you log in to X and end when you log out (other than manually starting/killing it)? |
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| 17:08.05 | gtichigene | stew: Just because I didn't know any better. |
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| 17:08.17 | greycat | MidgetSpy: put it in .xsession |
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| 17:08.30 | greycat | (or the equivalent if you use one of those fucked-up *dm things) |
| 17:08.38 | MidgetSpy | greycat: ok, thanks |
| 17:09.23 | A-z-i-z | where do i change the DocumentRoot path in apache ? what is the file name with its path ? |
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| 17:09.36 | greycat | A-z-i-z: /etc/apache/*.conf |
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| 17:10.21 | httpdss | im using woody 2.4.19 and want to install rt2500 (wireless Intellinet PCI card)... any package for this ?? or howto page ?? |
| 17:10.54 | A-z-i-z | debian:/etc/apache2# grep DocumentRoot httpd.conf |
| 17:10.54 | A-z-i-z | debian:/etc/apache2# grep DocumentRoot apache2.conf |
| 17:11.02 | A-z-i-z | no output |
| 17:11.02 | greycat | !pal Apache2 |
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| 17:11.22 | stew | gtichigene: i recommend you stick with the debian default which is exim. apt-get insatll exim4 sendmail- ; when it asks you configuration questions about exim choose smarthost |
| 17:11.34 | greycat | svr1a:/etc/apache$ grep DocumentRoot *.conf |
| 17:11.35 | greycat | access.conf:# This should be changed to whatever you set DocumentRoot to. |
| 17:11.35 | greycat | httpd.conf:#DocumentRoot /var/www/host.some_domain.com |
| 17:11.37 | greycat | ..... |
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| 17:11.49 | obtix | ok, i think my problem is that samba doesn't like bonded ethernet cards - is there a valid work around anywhere? |
| 17:11.50 | stew | tell greycat about flood |
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| 17:12.26 | greycat | bastard. I waited at *least* two seconds before hitting enter on the ellipsis |
| 17:12.37 | bl0w3r | hi... ext3 support "2Gb >" ??? |
| 17:12.40 | stew | !debhelpersnack |
| 17:12.50 | greycat | a 2 gigabyte greater-than sign? |
| 17:12.51 | greycat | wow. |
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| 17:12.52 | A-z-i-z | i'm using apache2 .. maybe it is has different configurations ? |
| 17:12.57 | stew | obtix: ti seems like samba shouldn't be able to tell the difference |
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| 17:13.01 | greycat | A-z-i-z: I guess so. |
| 17:13.09 | greycat | now, the question is WHAT possessed you to do that? |
| 17:13.20 | stew | bl0w3r: it does with kernel >2.4.15 or something |
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| 17:13.39 | bl0w3r | I have debian woody kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 17:13.49 | stew | !bf24 |
| 17:13.49 | dpkg | [bf2.4] boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
| 17:13.55 | obtix | stew: it def does samba was working until i bonded my ethernet cards and now it run fine but i cant get to my shares via a remote machine i googled and there are a few others with the same problem but no fixes that i can find |
| 17:14.21 | obtix | i bonded my cards for the specific reason that i wanted faster fileshare access :-P |
| 17:14.22 | stew | bl0w3r: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 17:14.48 | greycat | obtix: and how's that working out for you? |
| 17:15.05 | bl0w3r | stew: ha? |
| 17:15.09 | obtix | greycat: the bonded cards are working great; samba sucks! |
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| 17:15.24 | greycat | bl0w3r: unless you explicitly installed the kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 *package*, you won't have security fixes in your kernel. |
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| 17:15.33 | greycat | obtix: /j #samba |
| 17:15.37 | obtix | greycat: i know there has to be a way around this because a linux fileserver with only one working ethernet card on large networks cant be good |
| 17:15.38 | obtix | HEH |
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| 17:15.55 | bl0w3r | greycat: yeah but the 2.4.15 > support ? |
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| 17:16.08 | greycat | obtix: or maybe you're on crack, and nobody else in the world would do what you're doing. you decide. |
| 17:16.19 | greycat | bl0w3r: 18 is greater than 15. |
| 17:16.31 | greycat | bl0w3r: now, can you please ask questions that make *sense*? |
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| 17:16.41 | bl0w3r | ohhh you're genius ... hehehe |
| 17:16.45 | stew | !tell bl0w3r about real kernel |
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| 17:17.06 | obtix | greycat: so no one in the world would ever want to speed up their file server by bonding two ethernet cards? |
| 17:17.06 | greycat | stew: ironically, 2.4.18-bf2.4 is the *best* of the woody 2.4.x kernels, because it's the only on that doesn't use initrd. |
| 17:17.19 | greycat | obtix: yes, I think you got it now. |
| 17:17.28 | stew | i dont' mind initrd |
| 17:17.45 | obtix | greycat: so what do people do when they want a faster fileserver? |
| 17:17.50 | greycat | stew: and there *is* a -bf2.4 package, so he *could* continue using it with security fixes. |
| 17:17.57 | stew | ahh, ok |
| 17:18.05 | greycat | stew: but due to the fuck-uped-ness of woody, you don't get that package when you install from bf24. |
| 17:18.25 | greycat | you have to install it yourself explicitly. |
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| 17:18.32 | stew | yeah thats fucked up |
| 17:18.48 | greycat | (fixed in sarge) |
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| 17:20.09 | greycat | obtix: if people have such a fast WAN connection that they would actually *need* to exceed the throughput of a gigabit NIC, then they sure as fuck wouldn't be asking *me* about it. |
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| 17:20.10 | gtigene | How can I learn about exim and postfix? |
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| 17:20.47 | greycat | obtix: personally, I've never heard of any WAN link that a gigabit can't saturate |
| 17:20.59 | Rickdangerous | was there a frozen dist (for making s/testing/frozen in sources.list)? |
| 17:21.05 | newevmsusr | I just installed sarge with the latest debian installer with 2.4 and root on lvm and it worked. wow that was easy |
| 17:21.19 | stew | !congrats newevmsusr |
| 17:21.30 | drac | Rickdangerous: 'sarge' instead of 'testing'. |
| 17:21.32 | greycat | Rickdangerous: no, just use 'testing' |
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| 17:21.36 | greycat | (or 'sarge') |
| 17:22.02 | Rickdangerous | greycat, drac: I know, I just thought frozen dist existed. |
| 17:22.26 | obtix | greycat: its not on a wan... i am trying to make a file server that will be sharing music, movies, etc... for my home network i have a intel eepro dual 100 card in the machine that i bonded because when it wasn't bonded and two machine where pulling files the transfers nearly cut in half (duh) so im trying to better my file transfer life now |
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| 17:23.03 | gahan | adw |
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| 17:23.14 | greycat | obtix: if you have so many clients on a single subnet that you saturated your 100 Mbps LAN link, then you have two choices. Either you go to gigabit, or you SUBNET THE FUCKING THING LIKE EVERYONE HAS BEEN DOING FOR 25 YEARS. |
| 17:23.18 | colk | at gigabit arent you getting close to hitting the IDE transfer speed |
| 17:23.18 | greycat | Sheesh. |
| 17:23.33 | FieldySnuts | @lart obtix |
| 17:23.43 | Ries | [OT] how do I check if bind uses it's cache when doing lookups? |
| 17:23.50 | greycat | colk: that would be just *so* #debian, wouldn't it? To be worrying about bonding NICs and then to have IDE disks. |
| 17:24.20 | greycat | colk: the only thing that would make that complete would be to be running experimental packages and have it serving as a production server. |
| 17:24.43 | Rickdangerous | heh |
| 17:25.12 | tyrese | i have a few debian boxes booting on my network, and they use DHCP, is it possible for me to have my local DNS server add thier host names to it's host file, so that the machines can be resolved using thier names instead of IP address? |
| 17:25.14 | FieldySnuts | this is fun to do over sftp backup-5.4.2005_09-49-41.tar.gz 98% 2992MB 307.6KB/s 02:00 ETA |
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| 17:25.36 | greycat | !modemsmite FieldySnuts |
| 17:25.42 | FieldySnuts | [NO CARRIER] |
| 17:26.05 | Ries | tyrese: If you are using bind 9 and dhcp 3 then this can be configured out of the box... |
| 17:26.12 | FieldySnuts | ATH0+++ |
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| 17:26.43 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, you must ping it. |
| 17:26.46 | greycat | dpkg, modemsmite $1 is (<reply> $1: +++ATH0)|<action> sets $1 to 7-1-(Odd|Even)) |
| 17:26.46 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 17:26.47 | FieldySnuts | i know :) |
| 17:26.53 | Rickdangerous | :P |
| 17:27.00 | greycat | FieldySnuts: you got it backwards :-P |
| 17:27.01 | FieldySnuts | greycat: nice. |
| 17:27.08 | FieldySnuts | yeah well I"m dyslexic, it's expected |
| 17:27.28 | FieldySnuts | i can often be found at a shell doing sl insteadl of ls .. |
| 17:27.37 | greycat | I do that too, but it's a typo, not dyslexia. |
| 17:27.38 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, alias sl ls |
| 17:27.49 | FieldySnuts | nah, makes it worse |
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| 17:28.07 | dambodog | i know it's ugly, but does anyone have any experince with cygwin? - i am trying to start sshd |
| 17:28.10 | Ries | is there a channel specially for DNS/bind issues? |
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| 17:28.17 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, how come? |
| 17:28.19 | greycat | Ries: #dns |
| 17:28.22 | hac | When i run hdparm -tT the "Timing buffered disk reads" is 27 Mb/s...my hd is too slow? |
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| 17:28.37 | greycat | too slow for wht? |
| 17:28.40 | greycat | what* |
| 17:28.45 | FieldySnuts | Rickdangerous: then i don't try to get it right, that's why. it spreads into a lot of areas in life, like turning on a left turn signal and turning right... |
| 17:28.50 | FieldySnuts | gets dangerous |
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| 17:29.07 | FieldySnuts | er reword: using my left turn signal, but turning right |
| 17:29.28 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, alias it and you drive your car ont the left side of the road?? :) |
| 17:29.32 | FieldySnuts | if it weren't for the fact that red light is always the top one, i'd be really dangerous |
| 17:29.52 | tyrese | Ries, okay, i'll go check |
| 17:29.59 | Essobi | Okay.. I think I'll go pout now. |
| 17:30.36 | Essobi | I can't find a away short of hacking the source, to make shift-insert paste the X selection buffer and not the copy buffer inside of firefox.. in firefix. :| |
| 17:31.16 | Ries | tyrese: I did this many time for windows and Debian servers... |
| 17:31.18 | Essobi | err s/firefix/firefox |
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| 17:31.24 | bl0w3r | Stew NFS support arqchives 2Gb > ??? hehehe |
| 17:31.33 | FieldySnuts | newer versions do |
| 17:31.39 | gtigene | I need to configure Asterisk to automatically send email to my users. My users are WIndows users and they get email via POP3 from a POP3 server. I have read about a number of Linux mail-related packages and I still can't figure out where to start. Where should I start? |
| 17:31.43 | Essobi | bl0w3r NFSV4 for sure. |
| 17:31.59 | bl0w3r | Essobi: ok thanks |
| 17:32.14 | tyrese | Ries, if I apt-get the latest versions of bind, and dhcpd - it should work straight away? |
| 17:32.28 | greycat | bl0w3r: can you PLEASE write like other humans? |
| 17:32.46 | greycat | bl0w3r: "Does NFS support files > 2 GB" would be quite sufficient. |
| 17:32.58 | greycat | !yoda |
| 17:32.58 | dpkg | it has been said that yoda is my translation sounding like, yes? hmmm! |
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| 17:33.08 | oneo | I recently did an apt upgrade on a bunch of packages and now my ftp server is not responding. The client reports that it is connected but then quickly says that connection was refused. I was using inetd as the daemon before and this is the line in my inetd.conf file: "ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.ftpd"...anyone have any ideas? |
| 17:33.18 | gtigene | Where should I go to find out how email works on Linux? |
| 17:33.23 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 17:33.23 | dpkg | it has been said that mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 17:33.45 | greycat | oneo: check /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 17:33.54 | stew | !WikiFaq gtigene MailQuestions |
| 17:33.55 | dpkg | gtigene: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/MailQuestions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 17:34.20 | gtigene | greycat: Sounds good but when I type it in a shell it says !mail: event not found |
| 17:34.20 | stew | guttok: though the woolege.org one is probably much more complete |
| 17:34.27 | abrotman | edge ? |
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| 17:34.37 | abrotman | err wooledge |
| 17:34.55 | stew | i even tab completed the wrong nick, so fuck it |
| 17:35.05 | valdyn | gtigene: look at what dpkg said. |
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| 17:35.30 | Essobi | AAAAAAAAAAPT Has SPOKEN! |
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| 17:35.56 | gtigene | valdyn: OK I got it. THanks. |
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| 17:41.51 | e2e | Hi, i'm trying to help someone to install debian. He uses adsl (SpeedTouch 530), debian can get ip from modem, but it can't connect internet, can't ping any domain or ip, so he can't configure apt. He uses win XP to chat me which uses same modem. I have no idea what could be the problem |
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| 17:43.19 | exerd | install dhcp |
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| 17:43.45 | shingouz | e2e: Can the person ping www.google.com or does it resolve in the first place? |
| 17:44.06 | e2e | shingouz: No, can't ping google or google's ip |
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| 17:44.17 | undre3k | any body know site for installin on HPPA |
| 17:44.20 | shingouz | e2e: Check the routing |
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| 17:45.05 | shingouz | undre3k: I think a serious google is in order here |
| 17:45.35 | e2e | shingouz: There seems no problem with route table, modem was set as default in route table |
| 17:45.46 | rave | well |
| 17:45.49 | rave | what i think |
| 17:45.49 | undre3k | yeah I have still searching, just hoping |
| 17:45.52 | rave | is something easy |
| 17:45.59 | rave | like setting a static IP |
| 17:46.17 | rave | so it adds a default ip thats what windows does as well |
| 17:46.20 | shingouz | e2e: Hmmm.... is the ip he gets a private or public ip? |
| 17:46.20 | rave | dow i mean |
| 17:46.23 | rave | dhcp |
| 17:46.23 | e2e | rave: I've tried i :( |
| 17:46.30 | rave | when dhcp fails on windows |
| 17:46.37 | rave | it gens a stupid ip |
| 17:46.44 | e2e | shingouz: It gets 10.0.0.2 from modem |
| 17:46.49 | rave | maybe debians version is the same |
| 17:46.54 | rave | imm hold on |
| 17:46.56 | shingouz | rave: Please do not use the enter that often |
| 17:47.21 | shingouz | e2e: Private... ok. Does he need PPPoE to connect to the internet with the XP? |
| 17:47.23 | e2e | shingouz: And xp uses 10.0.0.1 |
| 17:47.36 | e2e | shingouz: No |
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| 17:48.32 | shingouz | e2e: Check if the modem has an internal router, I am beginnign to suspect that it is not set up properly for several computers |
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| 17:49.16 | e2e | shingouz: I've tried it too, connected debian box only and restarted modem, but no result :( |
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| 17:50.03 | shingouz | e2e: No, you shoudl access the modem (=router) and check how that one is setup, there might be some odd routing problems or something |
| 17:50.47 | e2e | shingouz: I can't connect, all i can do is tell him |
| 17:50.48 | shingouz | e2e: The Alcatel SpeedTouch has a pretty odd reputation from what I have heard, google? |
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| 17:51.20 | rave | e2e: browe you router |
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| 17:51.53 | rave | or his :), am check it it have recved an internet ip its supposed to pass trough/use for the network clients like that pc |
| 17:52.01 | dogmeat | is debian spice very good? |
| 17:52.18 | rave | if the router its self is not connecting properly you know enough |
| 17:52.20 | shingouz | dogmeat: Huh? |
| 17:52.23 | e2e | shingouz: But win xp has no problem with it |
| 17:52.33 | dogmeat | aka the circuit simulation program... |
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| 17:53.02 | shingouz | e2e: That does not mean the modem is meant to support more than one computer. Into the router you go and check for possible firewalling and such |
| 17:53.05 | rave | e2e : your router can have some temperarly problems check its http:// |
| 17:53.30 | shingouz | dogmeat: If it is good on Slack or DeadRat it is just as good on Debian |
| 17:53.34 | Ries | dogmeat: I think that spice always ruled in the simulation world.. (if it's the real one) |
| 17:53.43 | e2e | shingouz: As i said, i've tried as only debian connected to modem |
| 17:53.52 | e2e | rave: I can't connect modem |
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| 17:54.05 | rave | man, |
| 17:54.10 | e2e | rave: It's not possibel because of my situation |
| 17:54.15 | shingouz | e2e: The modem is connected with an ehternet, not usb? |
| 17:54.28 | e2e | shingouz: Yes, it's ethernet |
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| 17:54.43 | rave | (im sorry) but if you get an ip you router is alive and you should be abled to connect to it |
| 17:54.50 | shingouz | e2e: Ok, first ping the modem and see if you get an answer |
| 17:55.16 | e2e | rave: This is not a technical situation, i can't connect it because of another problem |
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| 17:55.31 | e2e | shingouz: Yes, it pings modem, and win xp |
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| 17:55.49 | rave | then your router is online as well |
| 17:55.56 | shingouz | e2e: Then ping 130.232.1.1 |
| 17:55.58 | priest | i have a 20 mb log file, and i wanna look at the end at it, what is the best way to do? |
| 17:56.09 | ries_lunche | priest: tail? |
| 17:56.14 | rave | i think your not getting what i mean e2e with all do respect |
| 17:56.26 | rave | tail -n1 log |
| 17:56.31 | e2e | rave: What is your mean? |
| 17:56.38 | priest | i try that..thanks :) |
| 17:56.39 | juanmals | are all the packages of gnome 2.10 in experimental? |
| 17:56.44 | e2e | shingouz: it can't ping 66.249.85.99 (google) |
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| 17:56.56 | rave | e2e i sayed |
| 17:57.04 | rave | contact your router you sayed i cant |
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| 17:57.20 | rave | shingouz sayed the same and suddenly it worked |
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| 17:57.26 | rave | now i tell you |
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| 17:57.42 | rave | open in a windows box http://130.232.1.1/ |
| 17:57.42 | e2e | rave: Come on, are you reading |
| 17:57.53 | rue_mohr | hello |
| 17:57.55 | jair_11 | guys If I have a network running at 1.2Mbps is a fractional T-1, and I have the CSU/DSU conected to my firewall-gateway, I can divide the connection using a 10base hub and I will not lost any speed? |
| 17:58.07 | rave | i am reading |
| 17:58.08 | shingouz | juanmals: I hear some rumors that they should be in experimental but you sure do get to keep the pieces if installing them makes your system go ballistic |
| 17:58.16 | rue_mohr | so, debconf-2.0 will just debconf do? |
| 17:58.17 | jair_11 | I am trying to make another IP static server for testing purposes. |
| 17:58.24 | nomed^ | hi .. how can i set up cvsweb? i really can't find anything about it .. just for freebsd .. and it sounds different from debian. |
| 17:58.27 | rave | but your still not getting what i mean (must be my english) |
| 17:58.36 | shingouz | rave: That is not his router, it is just a nearby ip that I happened to remember |
| 17:58.38 | jair_11 | I have 4 useable IP statics |
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| 17:58.52 | jair_11 | but the CSU/DSU have only one port |
| 17:58.55 | nomed^ | is there anyone that can help me with cvsweb ... a link could be perfect |
| 17:59.06 | rave | dowwww... |
| 17:59.13 | jair_11 | I am trying to split the connection using a 10 base Hub |
| 17:59.16 | rave | e2e shingouz: Yes, it pings modem, and win xp |
| 17:59.28 | FieldySnuts | @fuck hubs |
| 17:59.30 | jair_11 | will that affect the current speed of the Fractional T-1 |
| 17:59.32 | jair_11 | ? |
| 17:59.45 | jair_11 | FieldySnuts, I know |
| 17:59.46 | e2e | rave: I mean was, debian box can ping the modem and win xp, but can't ping google |
| 17:59.58 | rave | i know that |
| 18:00.05 | rave | i read that |
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| 18:00.07 | jair_11 | this is just because I have to leave all packages come for the Installation of SNORT |
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| 18:00.11 | jair_11 | IDS |
| 18:00.20 | rave | from windows Xp can you ping debian and modem ? |
| 18:00.20 | jair_11 | Intrussion Detection System |
| 18:00.21 | shingouz | e2e: Not with www.google.com or <the.goo.gle.ip>? |
| 18:00.39 | jair_11 | anyone here with some deep networking knowledge? |
| 18:00.59 | greycat | #networking has 16 people. |
| 18:01.05 | e2e | shingouz: Both same, destination host unreachable or From 10.0.0.138 icmp _seq ........destination horst unreachable |
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| 18:01.19 | FieldySnuts | someone needs to take a few hours, and read up on networking and subnetting |
| 18:01.22 | shingouz | e2e: In that case the modem has to be misconfigured |
| 18:01.23 | FieldySnuts | not fun, but needed |
| 18:01.24 | juanmals | jair i have some knowdeledges with ids |
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| 18:01.32 | juanmals | whats your problem |
| 18:01.40 | jair_11 | juanmals, ok |
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| 18:01.48 | jair_11 | I have 4 useable IP statics |
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| 18:01.59 | jair_11 | I am trying to split the connection using a 10 base Hub |
| 18:02.08 | jair_11 | will that affect the current speed of the Fractional T-1 |
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| 18:02.20 | jair_11 | this is just because I have to leave all packages come for the Installation of SNORT |
| 18:02.21 | e2e | shingouz: Ok, thank you |
| 18:02.35 | jair_11 | juanmals, are you understanding? |
| 18:02.41 | rue_mohr | errr, debconf-2.0 is required by freeswan, quagga, ssh, tcpdump, and on and on, but the package dosn't exist????? |
| 18:02.53 | juanmals | yes |
| 18:02.58 | rue_mohr | ?? |
| 18:03.08 | jair_11 | juanmals, I think that if I have a 10 Mbps hub the connection will not be affected correct? |
| 18:03.21 | jair_11 | juanmals, because I have 1.2 Mbps connection |
| 18:03.28 | jair_11 | juanmals, Fractional T-1 |
| 18:03.31 | juanmals | no it wont be affected |
| 18:03.40 | juanmals | If you wanna install an ids |
| 18:03.47 | jair_11 | yes |
| 18:03.48 | juanmals | try ossim, |
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| 18:04.02 | jair_11 | juanmals, ossim>? I was thinking in use SNORT |
| 18:04.05 | juanmals | www.ossim.net |
| 18:04.14 | jair_11 | juanmals, I will check that one too. |
| 18:04.17 | juanmals | snort, ntop and son many others are integrated in ossim |
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| 18:05.08 | jair_11 | juanmals, cool |
| 18:05.12 | jair_11 | I will check it though |
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| 18:05.41 | juanmals | Try it |
| 18:05.41 | jair_11 | juanmals, it looks cool |
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| 18:05.58 | juanmals | IF you have any doubt or problem juanma@ossim.net ;-) |
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| 18:06.09 | jair_11 | juanmals, so I am sorry for my ignorance but then when the networks say that is connected at : 100mbps |
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| 18:06.57 | jair_11 | juanmals, how with the hub running a 10 base I will have the same speed on the network? |
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| 18:08.12 | juanmals | You wont have the same speed with a 100 hub that with a 10 mbps hub, but at least you wont notice any difference in you internet connection if you have 1 mbps connection |
| 18:08.50 | jair_11 | ohhhh |
| 18:08.56 | jair_11 | juanmals, rigth |
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| 18:09.21 | jair_11 | because the connection of the NICS say 100Mbps speed |
| 18:09.45 | jair_11 | juanmals, but the Internet connection speed I am getting from my ISP is 1.2 Mbps |
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| 18:09.48 | jair_11 | correct |
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| 18:11.22 | k-dog | 2.6 kernels, what's the mouse driver / device? |
| 18:11.28 | Loevborg | "Sorry, your envelope sender has been denied" -- can anyone tell me what that means in a bounced mail? |
| 18:11.38 | k-dog | Loevborg: SPF? |
| 18:12.06 | drac | k-dog: mousedev and psmouse, for ps/2 mouse. and mousdev and usbhid, for usb mouse. |
| 18:12.09 | shingouz | k-dog: /mgs dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 18:12.21 | shingouz | uh.. msg that is |
| 18:13.14 | rue_mohr | where the heck does debconf-2.0 come from???? |
| 18:13.17 | k-dog | drac: Thanks |
| 18:13.18 | asg | Loevborg: the will not receive mail from you (or whatever your client/mta sent as the MAIL FROM: <> part of the SMTP protocol.) |
| 18:13.28 | stew | Loevborg: the envelope is that part that is sent before the actual email in the SMTP transaction, so it doesn't like something about the FROM: or RCPT: data that is being sent, (possibly in conjunction with your ip adress) |
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| 18:14.50 | Loevborg | asg, it's my mta, courier, sending to german mass mail provider, gmx. |
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| 18:15.46 | asg | Loevborg: if you think you are allowed to send through them, you should probably contact the postmaster for that domain and ask. |
| 18:16.10 | ninereeds | ok, i am having a really, really strange error.. |
| 18:16.33 | Loevborg | asg, I'm sure I am allowed to. thanks for the info. |
| 18:16.34 | stew | Loevborg: do you know what is being sent in the FROM: (not the From: header in the email, the FROM: in the envelope) |
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| 18:16.52 | Loevborg | stew, I was just trying to figure out how to find that out... |
| 18:16.56 | stew | Loevborg: is it from your domain? do you provide an spf? does your courier server have a proper reverse dns entry? |
| 18:17.02 | rue_mohr | libssl0.9.7 |
| 18:17.02 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.02 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.30 | ninereeds | xserver-xfree86 includes /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a which my system is missing |
| 18:17.38 | stew | Loevborg: if you send mail to yourself the FROM will be in the Received header i beilve |
| 18:17.44 | Loevborg | stealth, my own domain, no spf - proper reverse dns, I don't know how to check. |
| 18:17.50 | ninereeds | when i apt-get install --reinstall or dpkg -i it, i still don't have anything |
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| 18:18.19 | stew | actually maybe not |
| 18:18.22 | Loevborg | s/stealth/stew, sorry. |
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| 18:18.35 | greycat | !find libGLcore.a sarge |
| 18:18.43 | valdyn | ninereeds: no it doesnt include that file |
| 18:18.44 | ninereeds | pf course, apt-file find confirms that it's there |
| 18:19.08 | ninereeds | valdyn: apt-file says it does |
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| 18:19.28 | rue_mohr | aha! OR! |
| 18:19.38 | rue_mohr | http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/libssl0.9.7 <--- thanks! |
| 18:19.38 | irad | Is there anyway i could view the webpage: 'http://www.orianit.edu-negev.gov.il/shittim/ts/index.asp' with my mozilla-firefox? |
| 18:19.46 | Loevborg | stew, it doesn't seem to be in the Received: header. |
| 18:20.01 | ninereeds | greycat: dpkg find has not worked when i tried it earlier. it only tol dme it was updating |
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| 18:20.03 | valdyn | ninereeds: apt-file update |
| 18:20.12 | greycat | @find libGLcore.a sarge |
| 18:20.16 | ninereeds | valdyn: i did that before i came here, of course |
| 18:20.46 | caphuso | ninereeds: does "dpkg-divert --list | grep libGL" report anything? |
| 18:20.59 | ninereeds | sec, let me try |
| 18:21.00 | drac | ninereeds: and comment out Load "GLcore" from XF86Config-4, most likely you don't even need it. |
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| 18:22.08 | k-dog | What's the keypad sequence to get mouse movement via keypad? |
| 18:22.14 | greycat | ~find libGLcore.a sarge |
| 18:22.21 | ninereeds | caphuso: oh! |
| 18:22.21 | koollman_ | k-dog: shift-numlock |
| 18:22.29 | valdyn | ninereeds: its diverted for you i gueess, type "dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a" |
| 18:22.37 | ninereeds | caphuso: it seems the nividia stuff replaced it |
| 18:22.39 | drac | !find libGLcore.so sarge |
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| 18:22.49 | superlinux | hi all |
| 18:22.56 | k-dog | koollman_: Thanks. |
| 18:22.59 | superlinux | i want to get pkg j2re1.3 |
| 18:23.00 | caphuso | ninereeds: thought so |
| 18:23.10 | valdyn | diversion by nvidia-glx from: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a |
| 18:23.13 | superlinux | how? |
| 18:23.15 | ninereeds | so, if i uninstall the nvidia deb, it should undivert everything for me? |
| 18:23.15 | superlinux | later |
| 18:23.20 | FieldySnuts | postmaaan!! |
| 18:23.21 | caphuso | ninereeds: yes |
| 18:23.30 | Loevborg | .o0(mail server admin isn't a part-time activity any more) |
| 18:23.31 | ninereeds | valdyn: exactly, yes :) |
| 18:23.49 | mixter | hi! i'm trying to compile mod_auth_kerb, but configure cannot find my krb.h even thouh it's in /usr/include... why cannot config find it? |
| 18:24.17 | drac | superlinux: /msg dpkg java |
| 18:24.49 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 18:24.51 | k-dog | koollman_: What's l/r/m mouse? '5' == left. |
| 18:25.12 | k-dog | koollman_: OK, '0' == r. |
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| 18:25.18 | ninereeds | caphuso, greycat, valdyn: thanks! :) |
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| 18:26.04 | lexxan | If i have no alsa-base installed with 2.6.. does that mean my sound is running off OSS? |
| 18:26.20 | koollman_ | k-dog: left/middle/right button == '/' '*' '-', click = 5, double-click = +, click and stay clicked : 0 |
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| 18:28.05 | abrotman | !hurt mysql |
| 18:28.16 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 18:28.27 | valdyn | lexxan: yes |
| 18:28.40 | ninereeds | hmm, is there a way to make the column dpkg -l uses to list installed packages broader? |
| 18:28.49 | FieldySnuts | COLUMNS= |
| 18:28.50 | abrotman | ninereeds: export COLUMNS=150 |
| 18:28.55 | ninereeds | thanks again |
| 18:29.23 | Troy^ | does debian have an easy install if ur using the net instal |
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| 18:30.05 | bahamat | does anyone know of any tools in debian to monitor sflow data? |
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| 18:31.29 | greycat | !d-i Troy^ |
| 18:31.30 | dpkg | Troy^, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 18:32.15 | priest | Troy^: it's not harder than to install windows :) |
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| 18:32.49 | k-dog | koollman_: Danke |
| 18:33.11 | BadMan | the worst part of d-i is the partioner that I found coming to debian |
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| 18:34.05 | drac | BadMan: It works like a dream. |
| 18:34.06 | k-dog | koollman_: Where's this documented? I keep having to look it up or ask. |
| 18:34.22 | k-dog | koollman_: ...and FYI '5' & '0' operate on last of '/' '*' '-'. |
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| 18:34.50 | BadMan | drac: for some anyway I need to get back on my roof and finish roofing for the day |
| 18:34.53 | BadMan | l8r all |
| 18:36.45 | deeku | q/quit |
| 18:36.49 | deeku | woops :) |
| 18:37.35 | Troy^ | wow the debian handbook is confusing no idea where to start for the installation i dont need non of the introduction stuff |
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| 18:38.17 | krystail | can you remember the name of the xmms-like software for kde ? |
| 18:38.32 | k-dog | krystail: xmms |
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| 18:40.00 | k-dog | dpkg keypad mouse is shift-numlock enables mouse actions via keypad. 123467889 are movement, '/' '*' '-' are l/r/m mouse buttons. 5 is click, '+' is double-click, '0' is click-and-hold. |
| 18:40.00 | dpkg | k-dog: okay |
| 18:40.09 | krystail | k-dog, no |
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| 18:40.37 | bonez41 | I need to burn a new debian install cd...suggestions on burner app? |
| 18:40.52 | stew | bonez41: cdrecord |
| 18:41.30 | k-dog | bonez41: cdrecord, k3b |
| 18:41.34 | Troy^ | nero |
| 18:41.39 | ninereeds | am i right in assuming nv does not support a nvidia 6600 GT? |
| 18:41.42 | zetor | bonez41:nautilus |
| 18:41.54 | k-dog | zetor: nautilus burns? I thought it just sucked. |
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| 18:42.19 | k-dog | Suggestions on testing RAM while running system? |
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| 18:42.33 | zetor | bozez41:ISO:s are fine |
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| 18:43.25 | k-dog | bonez41: Specifying the platform you're burning on would be helpful. |
| 18:43.27 | Glitch_Master | Heya... |
| 18:44.11 | ninereeds | k-dog: on a _running_ system? |
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| 18:44.45 | ninereeds | k-dog: random data which is written to disk, then copied into two blocks of ram, compare them to each other, repeat |
| 18:44.51 | k-dog | ninereeds: Yeah. Basically something to whomp on RAM. I can deal with the segfault... |
| 18:45.06 | ninereeds | k-dog: if you can reboot, use memtest86 |
| 18:45.07 | k-dog | ninereeds: I've got memtest86+ but want to mess with stuff atm... |
| 18:45.14 | k-dog | ninereeds: Got it, thanks ;-) |
| 18:45.17 | k-dog | brb... |
| 18:45.33 | Glitch_Master | For some reason, after an unknown action, /dev/hdd disappears. On reboot, it comes back, and I'm not sure what makes it 'go away', so to speak. It just sort of vanishes from /dev entirely. When it is there, it doesn't mount correctly, though I can't recall the exact error. Mount complains of a bad block amount or something, I think. It's a CD-RW drive. |
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| 18:46.01 | pipeline | Glitch_Master: You should check the kernel messages. It's probably a cabling problem. |
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| 18:46.06 | RoberFripp | hi there! |
| 18:46.06 | ninereeds | Glitch_Master: the exact message would help ;) |
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| 18:46.35 | pipeline | ninereeds: nv should support a 6600 |
| 18:46.35 | RoberFripp | Does anybody know if once sarge becomes the STABLE branch, there will be security updates for woody ? |
| 18:46.44 | pipeline | RoberFripp: For a while, I think |
| 18:46.50 | RoberFripp | pipeline : where is it written ? |
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| 18:47.05 | RoberFripp | pipeline : I mean ... I want to know exactly how much time |
| 18:47.11 | Glitch_Master | ninereeds: Well, I'll have to reboot to get that, and I think pipeline might be right. Currently hdd is gone again. |
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| 18:47.22 | bonez41 | k-dog: I am burning on a hi-val usb 2.0 cdrw 52x burner....my system is debian 3.0... |
| 18:47.23 | ninereeds | pipeline: hmm, are you sure? it just dies on me with No devices detected after an II about which PCI device is used |
| 18:47.26 | pipeline | RoberFripp: I can't remember, I'm afraid. The previous 'stable' gets security updates for a few months at minimum. |
| 18:47.32 | k-dog | RoberFripp: Yes, as old-stable, generally for 12-18 months. |
| 18:47.42 | k-dog | RoberFripp: ...though no guarantees. That's been past practice. |
| 18:47.54 | k-dog | bonez41: cdrecord / k3b |
| 18:47.58 | ninereeds | Glitch_Master: the reboot would speak against only cabling, but it worth a try and fast to check |
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| 18:48.13 | pipeline | ninereeds: I'm not sure, but it should. Consult the XFree86.org man pages for XF86 4.5 |
| 18:48.47 | RoberFripp | k-dog : no guarantees ? hmmmm that looks nasty ... |
| 18:48.52 | bonez41 | k-dog: what the /k3b part for? |
| 18:49.04 | Glitch_Master | pipeline: I'm a bit new to Linux in general. How would I go about reading said kernel messages? |
| 18:49.07 | RoberFripp | k-dog : it's not a matter of days switching production servers that have been running woody for years into sarge |
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| 18:49.20 | pipeline | Glitch_Master: they're in /var/log/messages |
| 18:49.28 | ninereeds | pipeline: man nv does not look good |
| 18:49.29 | pipeline | Glitch_Master: Older logs of messages are also in /var/log |
| 18:49.42 | pipeline | ninereeds: Consult the pages *on xfree86.org* |
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| 18:50.38 | tarzeau | ninereeds: and contrib too, hopefully |
| 18:50.44 | k-dog | RoberFripp: The release / maintenance teams will likely make an announcement. Last time, there was a survey to find out what interest was. |
| 18:51.03 | RoberFripp | k-dog : I see ... thanks buddy |
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| 18:51.08 | greycat | potato support lasted one year from woody's release. |
| 18:51.12 | k-dog | RoberFripp: As I said: 12-18 months, no guarantees, but a pretty high level of assurance. |
| 18:51.32 | k-dog | bonez41: k3b == KDE CD burner app. |
| 18:51.37 | RoberFripp | by the way |
| 18:51.41 | RoberFripp | I have this on my sources.list |
| 18:51.44 | RoberFripp | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 18:51.44 | RoberFripp | deb ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian stable main |
| 18:51.44 | RoberFripp | deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main |
| 18:51.57 | k-dog | !tell RoberFripp about paste |
| 18:52.04 | RoberFripp | sorry |
| 18:52.11 | k-dog | RoberFripp: ...point? |
| 18:52.17 | k-dog | RoberFripp: #flood or /msg dpkg paster |
| 18:52.24 | RoberFripp | yes, it's already done |
| 18:52.32 | RoberFripp | no need for #flood now, sorry |
| 18:52.36 | lexxan | In my repositories do I want "testing" or "sarge" (I net installed last night) |
| 18:52.40 | greycat | 3 lines is the max. acceptable paste |
| 18:52.44 | k-dog | RoberFripp: That was FYI. What's your point? |
| 18:52.48 | greycat | lexxan: depends on what you want. |
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| 18:52.53 | k-dog | greycat: Less on laggy connections that toss it all out at once ;-) |
| 18:53.01 | lexxan | greycat, What's the difference? |
| 18:53.05 | k-dog | RoberFripp: If you want to stick w/ woody: s/stable/woody/ |
| 18:53.10 | greycat | lexxan: after sarge's release, sarge is sarge, and testing is etch. |
| 18:53.11 | k-dog | RoberFripp: ...will prevent your upgrade |
| 18:53.15 | RoberFripp | k-dog : you got my point |
| 18:53.20 | RoberFripp | k-dog : excelent, thanks |
| 18:53.20 | lexxan | Can i just put sarge now? |
| 18:53.26 | drac | lexxan: yup |
| 18:53.27 | greycat | lexxan: yes |
| 18:53.29 | lexxan | ok |
| 18:53.38 | ninereeds | pipeline: that too says no go |
| 18:53.44 | CrypTom | hi all! someone familiar with imagemagick/convert? |
| 18:53.50 | ninereeds | tarzeau: well, i am undecided about contrib, tbh |
| 18:53.55 | ninereeds | !someone |
| 18:53.55 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 18:53.57 | bonez41 | k-dog: thanks..;) |
| 18:54.08 | k-dog | lexxan: If you want to track 'sarge', put sarge. If you want to track 'stable', track stable. 'stable/unstable/testing' track state. 'woody/sarge/etch/Sid' track named release. Sid always == unstable. |
| 18:54.38 | greycat | !tell CrypTom about ask |
| 18:54.52 | lexxan | thanks |
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| 18:55.11 | CrypTom | greycat: ok |
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| 18:55.57 | CrypTom | i would like to create square thumbnails (from landscape and portrait pictures) on black background. is that possible? |
| 18:56.26 | CrypTom | i always get them distorted or in the original proportions (no square image) |
| 18:56.28 | k-dog | CrypTom: Yes. ImageMagick will resize. IIRC you can composite with it or another tool. |
| 18:56.38 | k-dog | CrypTom: man imagemagick for resize options. |
| 18:56.43 | k-dog | CrypTom: You can specify aspect. |
| 18:56.49 | RoberFripp | am I the only one ? |
| 18:56.58 | sparr_ | I am trying to compile something under debian unstable. im not sure if i have the right version of gcc/headers/etc. I get a lot of errors akin to this, help? setclock.c:48: warning: implicit declaration of function `abs' |
| 18:57.00 | k-dog | RoberFripp: That's why $DEITY invented test boxes. |
| 18:57.26 | RoberFripp | k-dog : yeah, but remember $DEITY invented also murphy's law!!!! |
| 18:57.38 | CrypTom | k-dog: i can resize, but i want a square image with the originial image proportions in it (black color for what is above/below picture) |
| 18:57.46 | bluebell | RoberFripp: which is why you get paid lots, yes? |
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| 18:58.14 | RoberFripp | bluebell : just paid .. :-) |
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| 18:59.02 | sparr_ | dont you love it when the latest package is one version too old, and the newest version wont compile? :( |
| 18:59.14 | sebischn | Hey guys, I've installed sarge ago some hourse. But Programs like Gaim, Xchat,etc. are using such an ugly system font. It's quite hard to read. |
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| 19:00.03 | sebischn | is there a way to change the font they use ? |
| 19:00.08 | stew | sebischn: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 19:00.12 | k-dog | sebischn: gconf |
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| 19:00.22 | k-dog | sebischn: ...or gnome control panel. |
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| 19:00.36 | gogo_ | how to test dump of mysql database after import |
| 19:00.44 | sebischn | thx, I'll check it out :D |
| 19:00.53 | c01100011 | i need help setting up a network between a debian box anda windows xp computer |
| 19:00.58 | CrypTom | k-dog: when i specify -resize 120x120, i get 120x90 image (for landscape pictures), but i would like a square picture 120x120 with the 120x90 picture in it (the rest should be black) |
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| 19:01.25 | bluebell | CrypTom: yes. keep reading the options |
| 19:01.32 | k-dog | CrypTom: crop |
| 19:01.38 | sparr_ | I have a program that is probing my pci stuff to figure out which video card I have. How can I convince it that I have a different video card? |
| 19:01.46 | k-dog | sparr_: Tell it. |
| 19:01.50 | CrypTom | k-dog: can crop also add space, not only cut? |
| 19:01.59 | k-dog | sparr_: ...and what video card? |
| 19:02.03 | k-dog | CrypTom: RTFM |
| 19:02.13 | greycat | sparr_: why are programs probing your PCI bus without your consent? |
| 19:02.18 | k-dog | CrypTom: ...you can reposition the image IIRC. How many thumbnails? |
| 19:02.18 | sparr_ | k-dog: i have a gf fx 5500, i need to convince it i have a gf 4 |
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| 19:02.23 | nxvl | hi |
| 19:02.24 | sparr_ | greycat: who said they were? |
| 19:02.37 | greycat | sparr_: is this on Windows? |
| 19:02.37 | nxvl | is there some ncurses app to configure the network on debian?? |
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| 19:02.39 | CrypTom | k-dog: many (so i use mogrify, not convert) |
| 19:02.41 | sparr_ | greycat: no |
| 19:02.47 | Signuts | Hey folk, I've been testing ubuntu out and feel I should just use debian (i'm a gentoo user and need off) |
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| 19:02.59 | greycat | !d-i Signuts |
| 19:03.00 | dpkg | Signuts, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:03.15 | k-dog | CrypTom: RTFM. I can read it back to you, but that's not an efficient use of time. |
| 19:03.19 | Signuts | awesome, thanks, I was wondering the "best install method" |
| 19:03.25 | k-dog | CrypTom: ...and try it out. Suggest you work on a copy of images, not originals. |
| 19:03.26 | CrypTom | k-dog: sure |
| 19:03.52 | c01100011 | i need help setting up a network between a debian box and a windows xp computer |
| 19:03.52 | CrypTom | k-dog: that's what i did the whole afternoon, and that's why i ask now, did not find a suitable option |
| 19:03.59 | greycat | !tell c01100011 about smart questions |
| 19:04.01 | sparr_ | greycat: on linux. debain in particular. |
| 19:04.08 | greycat | sparr_: I do not believe you. |
| 19:04.15 | sparr_ | k-dog: so how would i go about 'telling it' when its probing my pci stuff directly? |
| 19:04.17 | sparr_ | greycat: good for you |
| 19:04.21 | k-dog | CrypTom: trial'n'triumph, as my old Physics teacher said. |
| 19:04.26 | k-dog | sparr_: *what* *app* ? |
| 19:04.47 | sparr_ | k-dog: svgatextmode |
| 19:04.53 | greycat | !pal sparr_ |
| 19:05.03 | greycat | people still *USE* svgalib?? |
| 19:05.15 | k-dog | greycat: It's useful for console mode at > 80x25 |
| 19:05.22 | k-dog | sparr_: less /etc/TextConfig |
| 19:05.30 | k-dog | sparr_: IIRC you can comment out the probing stuff. |
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| 19:07.07 | k-dog | sparr_: FYI, you can bypass a lot of this by passing 'vga=' option, 6=80x60, at boot, and skipping SVGATextMode |
| 19:07.09 | Glitch_Master | Hmm... All of these logs seem to be seriously outdated, since they label entries with the wrong hostname... |
| 19:07.16 | c01100011 | i am trying to network a windows xp and a debian box in order to share mp3s off of the linux computer. I am trying to setup samba but need to establish a tcp/ip connection fist and have the computers ping eachother by name, at the moment both computers are online but unable to ping eachother by name or ip adress. where do i begin to fix this ? |
| 19:07.18 | sparr_ | k-dog: ive done that. but i still have to specify a Chipset. "Riva128" is the one all the docs say to use for new nvidia cards, but the debian version doesnt recognize my card and i cant compile my patched version that does |
| 19:07.28 | Glitch_Master | I'm going to check the cables, and I need to reboot anyway. |
| 19:07.31 | k-dog | sparr_: NFC there. |
| 19:07.38 | sparr_ | k-dog: vga= as a kernel parameter only gives me a few options. 80x43, 80x50, 80x60. thats about it. |
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| 19:07.51 | k-dog | sparr_: ClockChip should set your video. |
| 19:08.00 | Signuts | is there a difference in the installers for "net_install" and sarge full cd set. |
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| 19:08.06 | sparr_ | k-dog: so i either have to figure out how to compile the program, or i have to trick the debian version into believing i have an older card |
| 19:08.07 | NaturalRoots | hi |
| 19:08.07 | k-dog | sparr_: And precisely how critical a feature is this for you? |
| 19:08.12 | NaturalRoots | someone see this error |
| 19:08.12 | NaturalRoots | zone transfer deferred due to quota |
| 19:08.17 | NaturalRoots | in dns slave |
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| 19:08.18 | k-dog | sparr_: What program? SVGATextMode? |
| 19:08.19 | NaturalRoots | in my server |
| 19:08.23 | NaturalRoots | i use bind9 |
| 19:08.25 | sparr_ | k-dog: not very. yes, svgatextmode |
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| 19:08.31 | k-dog | !tell NaturalRoots about enter |
| 19:08.33 | newevmsusr | does anyone know how to install sarge using the debian installer with the driver 3w-9xxx for the 3ware raid 9500. |
| 19:08.47 | k-dog | newevmsusr: GIYG |
| 19:08.49 | k-dog | newevmsusr: GIYF |
| 19:08.52 | sparr_ | greycat: see above. vga= is weak without a framebuffer, and i cant figure out how to use the framebuffer modules included with a debian kernel |
| 19:08.59 | sparr_ | kernel IMAGE that is |
| 19:09.00 | k-dog | newevmsusr: ...could be that GIYGF as well.... |
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| 19:09.08 | NaturalRoots | !tell zone transfer deferred due to quota |
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| 19:09.22 | k-dog | sparr_: avoid framebuffer. My understanding is it sort of cripples X. Could be wrong. |
| 19:09.42 | ikonia | Hi all sorry to intrude. |
| 19:09.56 | sparr_ | k-dog: yes, im trying to. but nothing is working :( |
| 19:10.02 | ikonia | I'm wondering if anyone is using the X86_64 sarge CD in a bi-arch configuration |
| 19:10.14 | ikonia | when I CD I mean net-install |
| 19:10.17 | newevmsusr | sparr_: sorry i'm totatlly new please translate GIYG |
| 19:10.37 | sparr_ | i can get plain old 80x50 just fine with vga=, but my eyesight isnt what it used to be and thats not really what i need |
| 19:10.38 | k-dog | newevmsusr: typo |
| 19:10.39 | nagual | bi-arch? is that something like bisexual? |
| 19:10.44 | k-dog | !tell newevmsusr about giyf |
| 19:10.55 | k-dog | !tell newevmsusr about giygf |
| 19:10.55 | ikonia | nagual not quite 64bit with 32bit compatablity libraries |
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| 19:11.20 | nagual | *phew* |
| 19:11.22 | k-dog | nagual: Only if they're big'n'little indian. |
| 19:11.24 | amrsk8a | how do i uninstall debian / format the hdd? |
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| 19:11.27 | nagual | wouldnt want to have a bisexual debian. |
| 19:11.37 | greycat | amrsk8a: install whatever you want, overtop of it. |
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| 19:11.46 | nagual | cause im so homophobic, not even a dist may be bisexual. |
| 19:11.48 | nagual | ;-) |
| 19:11.52 | amrsk8a | its not running the cd at startup |
| 19:11.58 | sparr_ | greycat: do you use a framebuffer? |
| 19:12.05 | greycat | sparr_: no. not if I can help it. |
| 19:12.17 | greycat | sparr_: I boot (infrequently), then login, then type "startx". |
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| 19:12.21 | furrywolf | argh. this computer is starting to piss me off... |
| 19:12.37 | furrywolf | I finally got it to POST. the secret seems to be it only likes certain video cards. to be specific, it only likes the oldest, largest, slowest PCI video card I have. agp cards, or other pci cards, and it won't post. |
| 19:12.39 | tnr | anyone user bitchx or know why i get this Unknown command: LOADDLL when i type /loaddll ? :| damm. i'm stuck with this from hours |
| 19:12.45 | sparr_ | greycat: ahh, so plain old 80x* in the console? |
| 19:12.47 | c01100011 | i am trying to network a windows xp and a debian box in I am trying to setup samba but need to establish a tcp/ip connection fist and have the computers ping eachother by name, at the moment both computers are online but unable to ping eachother by name or ip adress. where do i begin to fix this ? |
| 19:13.06 | greycat | tnr: please please for the love of god tell me you're just trolling. |
| 19:13.12 | server | c01100011: nag |
| 19:13.14 | ikonia | c01100011 if they can't see each other by name or ip address your basics are wrong |
| 19:13.15 | tnr | ;> |
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| 19:13.16 | greycat | tnr: if you're serious, /j #bitchx |
| 19:13.25 | ikonia | look for network configurations, or firewall or gateway |
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| 19:13.33 | tnr | ok ok. i stop |
| 19:13.41 | condore | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.43 | sparr_ | i can understand linux not having the latest and greatest features from windows. but changing to higher resolution text modes is something ive been able to do in MSDOS for about 15 years now. |
| 19:13.58 | greycat | sparr_: we've had X for more than 15 years. |
| 19:13.59 | sparr_ | without editing config files, researching arcane video card specs, etc |
| 19:14.10 | server | lol |
| 19:14.10 | condore | 15 yers |
| 19:14.11 | furrywolf | why does it care what video card is in it? why doesn't it like agp cards? GRR! /me is tempted to get a new motherboard just to be done with it! |
| 19:14.12 | ikonia | sparr_ ??? you can run ms dos in say 1024/768 ?> |
| 19:14.24 | server | whats so arcane about /etc/X11/XFree86.conf |
| 19:14.25 | condore | good bye |
| 19:14.26 | CrypTom | k-dog: I managed to put a white border 0 width, 30 height around the image doing what i want on landscape images. i could do the same on portraits with swapped values, but i dont want to separate the landscape images form portratis |
| 19:14.34 | greycat | server: well for one, the filename. |
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| 19:14.41 | greycat | server: you misspelled it. badly. |
| 19:14.44 | k-dog | CrypTom: Sounds like progress |
| 19:14.47 | server | damn nick |
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| 19:14.54 | server | greycat: who cares |
| 19:15.01 | k-dog | server: No, saint nick |
| 19:15.02 | server | you know what im driving at |
| 19:15.06 | drasko | How to build simple gtk+ hello world in Anjuta... It compiles, but it wont build... |
| 19:15.08 | sparr_ | ikonia: dont know about 1024. 640x480x8 though, with 132x43 characters |
| 19:15.20 | ikonia | sparr_ so not the maximum resolution then |
| 19:15.24 | CrypTom | k-dog: well, no, i want to process all images at once |
| 19:15.38 | sparr_ | ikonia: dunno what the maximum was back then |
| 19:15.52 | k-dog | CrypTom: That's nice. |
| 19:15.56 | CrypTom | k-dog: with *.jpg not separating the landscape images from the portraits |
| 19:16.02 | bluebell | CrypTom: composite the resized image with an all-black image? |
| 19:16.03 | ikonia | just seems crazy to say "I understand linux not having all the latest features" when in reality it has |
| 19:16.12 | k-dog | CrypTom: I'd do it in a couple of passes. How do you distinguish ls/pt? |
| 19:16.13 | YouCeyE | hello.. i have a question with kernel modules.. do i need to apply patches myself before i use make-kpkg modules_image command? |
| 19:16.13 | ikonia | comparing linux to dos seems wrong |
| 19:16.15 | bluebell | CrypTom: with appropriate centering. |
| 19:16.24 | ikonia | but I'll not get into that debate as I'm hunting advice myself |
| 19:16.36 | CrypTom | bluebell: oh, did not think about that, thanks |
| 19:16.47 | CrypTom | k-dog: i cant distinguish |
| 19:16.51 | bluebell | CrypTom: to be fair, neither did I |
| 19:16.51 | ikonia | furrywolf whats up |
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| 19:17.11 | bluebell | (i've got code that treats landscape and portrait seperatley) |
| 19:17.15 | sparr_ | ikonia: then be a dear and tell me how to get my console into 132x43 character mode |
| 19:17.19 | bluebell | i think there's also a thumbnailing function somewhere. |
| 19:17.24 | k-dog | CrypTom: Um. Then how are you telling which images should have white vs. black borders? |
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| 19:17.41 | ikonia | sparr_ vga=X (x = resolution) passed to the kernel at boot time |
| 19:17.55 | ikonia | I've got my console running at higher than 1024x768 |
| 19:17.55 | k-dog | CrypTom: Your seem to have a number of mystery conditions here. |
| 19:18.03 | CrypTom | k-dog: must be a missunderstanding, i dont want different borders, i dont care if black or white, but i wnat square images |
| 19:18.12 | k-dog | CrypTom: ...note too that there's a number of gallery-generating packages. |
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| 19:18.28 | sparr_ | ikonia: without a framebuffer? how? |
| 19:18.30 | CrypTom | k-dog: cant use them, i have my own framework |
| 19:18.46 | k-dog | CrypTom: Crop your sources to square. Specify the crop dimentions and offset. Resize the square images. Add a border to the resized images. |
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| 19:18.52 | MASoft | Anybody from Middle-east here ? |
| 19:18.55 | ikonia | sparr_ just pass vga= to the kernel. See what she does |
| 19:19.00 | YouCeyE | hello.. i have a question with kernel modules.. do i need to apply patches myself before i use make-kpkg modules_image command? |
| 19:19.16 | CrypTom | k-dog: i cant crop first, i need the whole image |
| 19:19.43 | greycat | YouCeyE: if you didn't build a kernel_image from THAT PRECISE SAME SOURCE TREE already, do NOT attempt to build a modules_image package. |
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| 19:20.19 | k-dog | CrypTom: You know what you've got. Figure out how you'd do it manually. Tell imagemagick what it should do to get you there. |
| 19:20.32 | k-dog | CrypTom: ...so add a huge border and crop down to what you want. |
| 19:20.41 | sparr_ | ikonia: what is your "X"? |
| 19:20.48 | YouCeyE | greycat, i am trying to add a kernel module.. |
| 19:20.56 | sparr_ | ikonia: i am using vga=ask right now, and it only offers me the basic sizes at the default resolution |
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| 19:21.03 | greycat | YouCeyE: module-assistant. |
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| 19:21.17 | greycat | YouCeyE: you'll want the kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 19:21.46 | greycat | which match you DEBIAN kernel image, or which you ALREADY generated from your make-kpkg created CUSTOM kernel, WITHOUT having modified the kernel source tree in between. |
| 19:21.58 | greycat | if you MODIFY THE SOURCE TREE you must rebuild the whole thing, kernel and all. |
| 19:22.00 | directhex | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-get install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer will return all valid "vga=" framebuffer consoles your hardware supports in the correct format. 1600x1200x16 is rather fetching. |
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| 19:22.03 | ikonia | try vga=795 |
| 19:22.05 | ikonia | thats pretty high |
| 19:22.07 | k-dog | CrypTom: Create a background mask that' |
| 19:22.09 | directhex | sparr_, ^^ |
| 19:22.18 | ikonia | ahh directhex just the man |
| 19:22.23 | YouCeyE | greycat, so do i need to patch kernel first? |
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| 19:22.26 | directhex | evening ikonia |
| 19:22.34 | greycat | Did I *stutter*? |
| 19:22.43 | ikonia | your posts have convinced me to put debian on my htpc as a test |
| 19:22.44 | sparr_ | directhex: that would seem to imply a framebuffer is required? |
| 19:22.47 | k-dog | CrypTom: Create a background mask that's sized to be able to crop to square. Composit onto that. Resize that. Crop as needed (if needed). The background mask should be your border. |
| 19:22.52 | ikonia | and move away from my distro for a test on this box |
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| 19:23.05 | k-dog | CrypTom: Are your source images all roughly same sized? |
| 19:23.14 | CrypTom | k-dog: all the same |
| 19:23.14 | ikonia | as you are mainly the catalyst for this, you seem the best person to discuss this |
| 19:23.33 | ninereeds | the package linux-kernel-headers for sarge is at version 2.5.999-test7-bk-17 -- shouldn't they be at least at a 2.6 version in light of /me not even having installed a 2.4/2.5 kernel? |
| 19:23.35 | k-dog | CrypTom: Composite looks like it gives you offsets. Play with that. |
| 19:23.50 | CrypTom | k-dog: thats what i'm trying now |
| 19:23.52 | k-dog | CrypTom: There's basically two ways to get to a small square: cut down, or build out and trim. |
| 19:23.57 | ikonia | directhex do you have 5 - 10 minutes to chat about this |
| 19:24.04 | directhex | sparr_, yes, it would. it's very complicated. you run hwinfo --framebuffer, pick a mode (e.g. " Mode 0x0346: 1600x1200 (+3200), 16 bits"), and feed the hexedecimal number to the vga= line (e.g. vga=0x0346, or vga=838 in decimal) |
| 19:24.11 | directhex | ikonia, yep, go ahead |
| 19:24.15 | ikonia | excellent. |
| 19:24.24 | CrypTom | k-dog: build out and trim does not work if i cant distinguish between pt and ls |
| 19:24.24 | caphuso | ninereeds: the version of those kernel-headers is of no concern to you |
| 19:24.27 | sparr_ | directhex: yes, that part is very easy. now, how do i get a framebuffer working? |
| 19:24.35 | MASoft | how can I make my own DEB package ? |
| 19:24.40 | zarchne | YouCeyE: He said, you either patch before building, or don't patch at all. Normally module source goes in a separate directory. |
| 19:24.41 | greycat | MASoft: /msg dpkg mg |
| 19:24.43 | ikonia | well, I've decided to go with sarge as reading today and listening to a few people in here, sarge seems pretty close to stable and very usable |
| 19:25.01 | ikonia | I've also found the amd64 sarge net install cd |
| 19:25.01 | directhex | sparr_, that's it. passing a framebuffer mode to vga= fill force use of vesafb. |
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| 19:25.03 | k-dog | CrypTom: 'identify' will give you image dimensions. Are your images currently properly rotated? |
| 19:25.12 | k-dog | CrypTom: ...and how many images do you have? |
| 19:25.15 | ikonia | now, I know your using sarge 64 |
| 19:25.22 | sparr_ | directhex: thanks. where were you a month ago? :) (rhetorical. rebooting) |
| 19:25.24 | directhex | ikonia, i am at work, yes |
| 19:25.28 | ikonia | are you using sarge 64 in uni or bi-arch |
| 19:25.37 | CrypTom | k-dog: the images are properly rotated and i have many |
| 19:25.41 | ikonia | ah, I thought bloaty was 64 |
| 19:25.50 | directhex | ikonia, i'm using sarge amd64, with a sarge i386 chroot |
| 19:25.55 | ninereeds | caphuso: ok, i will take your word for it. the reason i was poking aroung is that nvidia-glx wants to install nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386 and suggests the according image.. and as i said, i don't even run a 2.4 kernel -- would you know why that is the case, too? |
| 19:25.59 | directhex | ikonia, bloaty's a pentium-m |
| 19:26.00 | k-dog | CrypTom: Quantify "many" 10, 100, 1000, 10000 ... ? |
| 19:26.13 | ikonia | directhex so not a bi-arch, well that answers some of my questions already |
| 19:26.14 | directhex | !nvidia-kernel |
| 19:26.14 | CrypTom | k-dog: 100, increasing |
| 19:26.14 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel packages do not exist any more - they were too much of a pain to keep in synch with kernel-images. To install an nvidia-kernel package, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 19:26.23 | ikonia | bloaty is an M so that answers more questions |
| 19:26.24 | k-dog | CrypTom: 'identify *.jpg'. Try that. You can parse and do logic based on same. |
| 19:26.33 | ikonia | damn your quick - I've not even asked and already got the answers |
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| 19:26.36 | CrypTom | k-dog: that helps thanks |
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| 19:26.39 | k-dog | CrypTom: NP. |
| 19:26.53 | directhex | ninereeds, build an nvidia-kernel before installing nvidia-glx |
| 19:27.21 | MASoft | is nvidia under GPL ? |
| 19:27.22 | ikonia | I suppose its back to the research stage for me |
| 19:27.31 | ninereeds | directhex: ah, so the 2.4.27 is merely a fallback? |
| 19:27.32 | MASoft | *Nvidia Linux Driver |
| 19:27.43 | ikonia | directhex thanks for setting that straight, you've saved me some time in making a hash |
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| 19:28.09 | ninereeds | directhex: i thought m-i a-i nvidia took care of building all i need? |
| 19:28.15 | directhex | MASoft, no. GPL'd kernel interface to a closed-source binary x module |
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| 19:28.34 | directhex | ninereeds, it should do, yes. i don't have any 2.4-related nvidia-kernel stuff |
| 19:28.42 | directhex | ikonia, dinnertime for me, back later |
| 19:28.51 | ninereeds | MASoft: the nv module is under the GPL. the nvidia is not |
| 19:28.53 | ikonia | directhex I'm spent anyway |
| 19:28.57 | ikonia | thanks for the info |
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| 19:31.01 | ninereeds | directhex: ah, i found out what went wrong. the build faile dand thus nothing was installed. but as the package existed, m-a did not build a new one |
| 19:31.12 | ninereeds | nothing rm could not take care of, though ;) |
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| 19:33.50 | impact24 | hello all. can anyone suggest an alternative to sslwrap? something intended to be used for production boxes (or equivalent)? |
| 19:33.55 | sparr_ | directhex: you are awesome. now i just need to find a consolefont that i can read at this res :) |
| 19:34.03 | sparr_ | where might i find alternative consolefonts? |
| 19:34.16 | sparr_ | particularly large fonts, on the order of 12x20 |
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| 19:35.27 | abrotman | sparr_: MS has nice ones |
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| 19:38.01 | jonz | Anybody have an idea on what might change permissions on /var/log/maillog to root:adm, 640, even though I have 664 root:postfix in logrotate.conf ? |
| 19:38.07 | sparr_ | abrotman: im assuming thats a joke |
| 19:38.18 | abrotman | so are console fonts |
| 19:38.34 | stew | jonz: logrotate |
| 19:38.54 | jonz | stew, well, i ran logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf, and it recreated it with the right perms. is it doing something else ? |
| 19:38.55 | stew | jonz: look at /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 19:39.00 | abrotman | jonz: /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d/* |
| 19:39.05 | jonz | yup, no mention of maillog in logrotate.d |
| 19:39.21 | stew | jonz: oh, sorry, i misread your first post |
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| 19:39.27 | sparr_ | abrotman: the only way im aware of using larger fonts in a console is to do 'consolechars -f aconsolefont', if theres a better way im all ears |
| 19:39.38 | stew | jonz: wait, what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:39.49 | jonz | stew: sarge |
| 19:39.57 | abrotman | sparr_: sorry.. yes .. it was a joke .. i've far better things to do than try to figure out how to change fonts on a tty |
| 19:40.01 | jonz | mebbe a couple weeks old |
| 19:40.12 | abrotman | sparr_: i'll stop amusing myself now |
| 19:40.29 | abrotman | jonz: could be the initscript |
| 19:40.34 | k-dog | abrotman: Please do. Amuse others for a change ;-) |
| 19:40.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:41.05 | abrotman | or something in cron.daily etc |
| 19:41.06 | jonz | hmm maillog isn't mentioned in /etc/init.d/* |
| 19:41.18 | sparr_ | abrotman: well, ill save you the time. you type "consolechars -f aconsolefontname". now that that is out of the way, do you know where to find more fonts? |
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| 19:42.21 | jonz | this is a pretty minimal install, only the first CD, and i removed a lot of packages too |
| 19:42.27 | stew | jonz: maillog is a redhat sounding thing, mail.log is where debian logs mail.* to by default |
| 19:43.12 | abrotman | sparr_: uhm .. i'm pretty sure i clarified that above |
| 19:44.01 | jonz | hmm i named it that myself, so that'd be more reason to think nothing should be touching it :\ |
| 19:44.04 | sparr_ | abrotman: i think youre wrong |
| 19:44.16 | abrotman | sparr_: <abrotman> sparr_: sorry.. yes .. it was a joke .. i've far better things to do than try to figure out how to change fonts on a tty |
| 19:44.24 | UnreA|L | where i can find game launcher who was installed with cedega in gnome ? |
| 19:44.24 | abrotman | yeah .. i did clarify it .. look at that |
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| 19:44.36 | k-dog | sparr_: man loadkeys |
| 19:44.45 | greycat | UnreA|L: ask #cedega |
| 19:44.45 | sparr_ | i never asked you how to change fonts. i already know how to change fonts, and i told you how. i asked where to find more fonts. |
| 19:44.48 | k-dog | sparr_: ...and apropos consolefonts |
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| 19:45.23 | abrotman | sparr_: let's think about this .. i've never bothered to change them .. How the hell would i know where more are? |
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| 19:45.42 | sparr_ | k-dog: "nothing is appropriate" i already know where the fonts on my machine are, and how to load them. what im looking for is more fonts. on the web maybe |
| 19:45.45 | abrotman | you're right .. i could perhaps know .. but since that was your original question . i would have answered you ten minutes ago |
| 19:45.59 | sparr_ | err, make that "nothing appropriate" |
| 19:46.05 | k-dog | sparr_: OK. |
| 19:46.10 | sparr_ | nothing worse than paraphrasing error messages |
| 19:46.20 | k-dog | sparr_: ...mostly kibbitzing. |
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| 19:46.44 | FieldySnuts | @vauge |
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| 19:46.51 | stew | jonz: why not give maillog an explicit entry in logrotate.d and give it a create 640 root.postfix, or whatever |
| 19:46.55 | FieldySnuts | !dict vauge |
| 19:46.57 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: so close |
| 19:46.57 | dpkg | could not find definition for vauge |
| 19:47.00 | FieldySnuts | damnit |
| 19:47.01 | greycat | it's spelled "vague" |
| 19:47.02 | sparr_ | FieldySnuts: vague |
| 19:47.03 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 19:47.11 | FieldySnuts | i am edumocated honestly |
| 19:47.12 | abrotman | !vague |
| 19:47.13 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 19:47.17 | greycat | which does not rhyme with "ague" |
| 19:47.17 | FieldySnuts | there it is |
| 19:47.20 | Glitch | Well... |
| 19:47.23 | abrotman | @vague |
| 19:47.24 | ravenbird | Please think before asking. Vague questions would often be ignored. |
| 19:47.26 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:47.30 | Glitch_Master | hdd didn't come back... Rather unusual. o.o |
| 19:47.33 | Glitch_Master | It usually does. |
| 19:47.47 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: no, vague is <reply> Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 19:47.47 | ravenbird | okay, FieldySnuts |
| 19:47.50 | FieldySnuts | it's better :) |
| 19:47.55 | Glitch_Master | Heyo, abrotman, greycat, etc. I come for help so often that I'm getting to know people. :P |
| 19:47.58 | MASoft | What book or course do you recommend for Security ? |
| 19:48.03 | sparr_ | sadly 'consolefonts' and '.psf.gz' included in almost any query on google just ends up giving me long lists of pages listing the files i already have |
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| 19:48.19 | abrotman | Glitch_Master: and we're getting to know you ... but you still can't date my mom |
| 19:48.24 | Glitch_Master | XD |
| 19:48.33 | greycat | MASoft: do a base install, only add what you need, and keep up to date with security fixes. |
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| 19:48.45 | tarzeau | !tbh |
| 19:48.47 | Glitch_Master | Anyway, maybe I should double check that IDE cable.. |
| 19:48.54 | abrotman | good thinking |
| 19:48.55 | greycat | dpkg, tbh is <reply> To Be Honest |
| 19:48.55 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:48.57 | abrotman | and the ide controler |
| 19:48.59 | abrotman | controller |
| 19:49.01 | Glitch_Master | It can't hurt to touch the IDE connection to an inactive drive, as long as I don't remove it, right? |
| 19:49.07 | Glitch_Master | ...Ah hell, I've done it before. :P |
| 19:49.25 | FieldySnuts | it can hurt the drive and controller doin that |
| 19:49.29 | MASoft | greycat, I want to know about security ! It just make my server secure, but I want to increase my knowledge ! |
| 19:49.54 | greycat | MASoft: such as? |
| 19:49.54 | Glitch_Master | Nope... tight connection. |
| 19:49.58 | sepski | Glitch_Master, are you kidding, i used to hotplug my ide drives on a regular basis. worked flawlessly for atleast a year.. untill i fried a motherboard a harddrive a psu and the fuse of that circuit :)) |
| 19:50.06 | FieldySnuts | MASoft: a good start is a kernel patched with grsecurity. the rest comes with experience... |
| 19:50.17 | Glitch_Master | sepski: This is why I'm careful. :P |
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| 19:50.28 | sepski | el cheeapo's hotplug support :) |
| 19:50.33 | MASoft | greycat, what is DOS, what is over buffer, How VPN works, IPSec ... |
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| 19:50.52 | rectum | whoah man, you need a book on network security or something |
| 19:50.59 | MASoft | FieldySnuts, What is grsecurity ? |
| 19:51.02 | sepski | MASoft, you need google ! |
| 19:51.05 | greycat | DoS (lowercase O) is Denial of Service. It's when you flood something with crap so that it can't process normal data. |
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| 19:51.21 | greycat | DOS (UPPERCASE O) is Disk Operating System, the successor to CP/M in 1980. |
| 19:51.47 | rectum | like throwing a lot of grey cats in to the oven so that the oven can't bake a cake or something |
| 19:51.49 | MASoft | greycat, last book that I read was Security+ (sybex), do u know any better ? |
| 19:51.57 | rectum | :D |
| 19:52.09 | rectum | MASoft: visit your local library or a book store |
| 19:52.17 | greycat | a buffer overflow is when you try to fit N+1 bytes into an N-byte array, and the extra stuff spills over the end of the array and contaminates other variables in memory. |
| 19:52.29 | FieldySnuts | MASoft: googling for Denial of Service , grsecurity , buffer overflow (you were close), etc, should find some useful information.. it's often too deep of a subject to cover on irc |
| 19:52.34 | greycat | VPN and IPSec are best Googled. |
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| 19:52.41 | MASoft | rectum, Here is Dubai ! there isn't any good Library or ... you can just find WinXP Books :P |
| 19:52.59 | k-dog | MASoft: You were asking about getting Sarge disks the other day? |
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| 19:53.20 | rectum | MASoft: make use of google |
| 19:53.20 | FieldySnuts | One way to learn what morons will try to do to a system is to set up a server (isolated, that is it can't reach any of your other systems), and give just anyone a shell. eventually some of them will start trying to break in, install rootkits etc |
| 19:53.22 | MASoft | k-dog, yes ! you remember me ? |
| 19:53.28 | k-dog | MASoft: yep. |
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| 19:53.45 | k-dog | MASoft: ...was telling my class about you. |
| 19:53.46 | FieldySnuts | even without that, close watching of logs when you run apache, a dns server, other servers etc, you'll see people trying various things here and there |
| 19:53.49 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 19:53.49 | Empty | MASoft, you can't get to amazon.com in dubai? Odd. |
| 19:53.54 | k-dog | MASoft: ...and gov't restricted Inet. |
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| 19:54.03 | madclicker | can someone help me with reg expression? |
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| 19:54.11 | rectum | maybe he can't afford to get shipments from amazon |
| 19:54.13 | k-dog | !tell madclicker about ask |
| 19:54.14 | Glitch_Master | Well, I think my best bet would be to set up the CD-RW on hdd manually. I tried once before but kind of gave up at one point. Would somebody be willing to walk me through it? |
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| 19:54.18 | rectum | overseas is expensive |
| 19:54.18 | FieldySnuts | lame. got an email which pretends to be ebay security, and asks for my username and pass. sad thing is, i bet it works 3% or more of the time. |
| 19:54.33 | rectum | FieldySnuts: yes, and the damn nigerian fund thing |
| 19:54.52 | k-dog | MASoft: There's a *ton* of documentation available w/in the Debian archives themselves. You can push you d/l limits just getting it, but it's really good stuff. |
| 19:54.55 | rectum | i got ppl calling me telling me i just got 5 grand in federal aid or somthing, and thy need my bank info |
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| 19:54.58 | rectum | i said ok |
| 19:54.59 | rectum | gimme the money |
| 19:55.00 | Empty | FieldySnuts, more than 3% I'd wager |
| 19:55.07 | FieldySnuts | Empty: me too, sadly |
| 19:55.09 | rectum | but i have no bank account and i have bad credit |
| 19:55.13 | rectum | i never heard from them again |
| 19:55.16 | sepski | FieldySnuts, those have been all over the place lately. i know several that have actually fallen for it, and one of them didn't even know what ebay was... |
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| 19:55.32 | Empty | FieldySnuts, not sure I'd go as high as 30%, but probably closer to the latter than the former |
| 19:55.35 | MASoft | k-dog, of course ! My internet is for these things ! |
| 19:55.36 | sepski | i hope that dosn't say too much about me :/ |
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| 19:56.33 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Phated |
| 19:56.35 | rectum | is there a way to specify which block to start scanning from, when running e2fsck -c -c on a partition. I have like ONE bad sector on the disk, only part of that file can't be read, before and after and all other files are fine, and the scan has been running for several hours and not even half way yet |
| 19:56.35 | dpkg | Phated: hi every1 how can I make my knoppix werkz U FUX0RZ |
| 19:56.44 | madclicker | need to verify the expression: "$pat = '^(... .. ..:..:..) \S+ solid-pop3d\[\d+\]: '."'user \S+ authenticated - \([^)]+\) (\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)\]';" with the line from logs "May 4 15:54:41 primary solid-pop3d[24816]: user polly authenticated - 216.218.38.162" |
| 19:56.56 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 19:57.04 | rectum | get a room |
| 19:57.09 | FieldySnuts | you paying? |
| 19:57.12 | rectum | sure |
| 19:57.14 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 19:57.19 | abrotman | madclicker: it's still not working ? |
| 19:57.25 | rectum | anything for a fellow man |
| 19:57.25 | Phated | Only if he gets to watch, I bet, the perv. |
| 19:57.38 | rectum | Phated: not everyone is as sick and twisted as you |
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| 19:57.48 | Phated | Your nick is rectum. I rest my case. |
| 19:57.48 | rectum | im just trying to help a fellow get laid |
| 19:57.50 | rectum | ;) |
| 19:57.52 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 19:57.54 | lexxan | Can I have OSS and ALSA running at the same time? |
| 19:57.55 | Phated | HAHAHAHA. |
| 19:58.00 | rectum | what case? |
| 19:58.07 | rectum | there was a case? |
| 19:58.08 | madclicker | abrotman: solid pop3d is working but i need to make "pop-before-smtp" to work with it |
| 19:58.14 | directhex | lexxan, no. you can have alsa, with oss compatability, though |
| 19:58.16 | rectum | was that like the end of your wit? |
| 19:58.16 | mikeX | lexxan, alsa has OSS emulation |
| 19:58.18 | MASoft | k-dog, but it seems my problem solved ! PIANT said will send Sarge CDs for me :D but I didn't see him for last 3-4 days in this channel. |
| 19:58.23 | rectum | that was a lame comeback :) |
| 19:58.27 | FieldySnuts | be nice |
| 19:58.27 | abrotman | madclicker: you have omre "gotchas" than a date with a nun |
| 19:58.34 | rectum | is there a way to specify which block to start scanning from, when running e2fsck -c -c on a partition. I have like ONE bad sector on the disk, only part of that file can't be read, before and after and all other files are fine, and the scan has been running for several hours and not even half way yet |
| 19:58.39 | rectum | anything about that scan problem |
| 19:58.47 | MASoft | k-dog, It was a very very good news for me ;) |
| 19:58.48 | lexxan | Hmm.. |
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| 19:58.57 | rectum | went through both fsck man pages and badblocks |
| 19:58.58 | lexxan | Does anyone have an upto date doc on disabling OSS |
| 19:59.05 | lexxan | the faq one gives me all sorts of weird errors on bootup |
| 19:59.06 | rectum | can't find an option/switch to make scan start at a certain point |
| 19:59.11 | directhex | lexxan, sarge or woody? |
| 19:59.16 | lexxan | sarge |
| 19:59.31 | directhex | lexxan, basic sarge install, i.e. you have discover1 and hotplug installed? |
| 19:59.33 | madclicker | abrotman: can you tell if the reg expression above is matching the line from the log? |
| 19:59.40 | lexxan | Yea I think so |
| 19:59.43 | k-dog | MASoft: Yeah, people can be really helpful, hope it works out. |
| 19:59.59 | directhex | lexxan, okay, the documentation is: "install alsa-base and reboot" |
| 20:00.08 | lexxan | lol |
| 20:00.14 | lexxan | It'll disable OSS? |
| 20:00.18 | abrotman | madclicker: i hope not .. otherwise .. i'd need a life :) |
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| 20:00.28 | directhex | !blacklist |
| 20:00.28 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 20:00.34 | Overand | what's the package people who need 'help' setting up x should reconfigure ala dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 20:00.35 | directhex | lexxan, it'll do the above for you |
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| 20:00.44 | directhex | !drxx Overand |
| 20:00.44 | dpkg | Overand: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 20:00.51 | Overand | th |
| 20:00.56 | rectum | does anyone know about the thing i asked about a few mins ago |
| 20:00.56 | Overand | .. thanks |
| 20:01.07 | lexxan | ok thx |
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| 20:01.11 | rectum | how to start a badblocks scan from a certain position on the disk |
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| 20:01.26 | madclicker | anyone good with reg expressions ? |
| 20:01.48 | abrotman | madclicker: why don't you copy the log .. and try that first on it ..before the real one |
| 20:02.10 | c01100011 | this isn't really a debian question but maybe someone can foward me in the right direction , how do i setup my network so i can ping by computer name ? |
| 20:02.16 | madclicker | abrotman: how do i do that? |
| 20:02.22 | abrotman | cp |
| 20:02.46 | rectum | lol |
| 20:02.46 | abrotman | you know .. cp . as in .. copy .. cp |
| 20:02.47 | madclicker | abrotman: sure |
| 20:02.51 | greycat | abrotman: cp(1) |
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| 20:02.55 | rectum | very helpful people in here |
| 20:02.56 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:03.01 | abrotman | hey .. i helped ... |
| 20:03.02 | rectum | no sarcasm |
| 20:03.05 | greycat | c01100011: man hosts |
| 20:03.06 | rectum | :) |
| 20:03.07 | drasko | how to compile gtk2.0 in anjuta? |
| 20:03.11 | greycat | drasko: don't. |
| 20:03.12 | doub | c01100011: you need to install a DNS in your network |
| 20:03.16 | greycat | drasko: apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 20:03.25 | doub | c01100011: or use hosts, too |
| 20:03.40 | Glitch_Master | Alright, restating the problem. /dev/hdd should exist and be my CD-RW drive. The IDE is in place, and in the logs the device is recognized, but the device itself does not exist in /dev. What is the problem, and how can I solve it? |
| 20:03.40 | rectum | but i would love to know how to start a badblock scan in the middle of the disk or in a certain position on the disk, i have gone through all man pages i could think of |
| 20:03.44 | rectum | no dice |
| 20:03.45 | Glitch_Master | IDE cable* |
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| 20:03.59 | Glitch_Master | IDE stuff is in order, I should say... |
| 20:04.13 | c01100011 | doub: so i want to make y linux box the DNS, how do i go about doing so ? |
| 20:04.23 | Glitch_Master | That was really badly worded... |
| 20:04.34 | rectum | Glitch_Master: good luck finding help here |
| 20:04.41 | doub | c01100011: a simple one is dnsmasq, which uses your /etc/hosts file |
| 20:04.49 | Overand | Glitch_Master: hdd is secondary chain slave |
| 20:04.54 | doub | c01100011: apt-get install dnsmasq. then instruct all other hosts to use it as the DNS |
| 20:05.12 | bluebell | does anyone know of a bashscript debugger? I just want to step through a bash script a line at a time and see what it's doing. |
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| 20:05.17 | Glitch_Master | Overand: Hrm? It's set as slave correctly... what do you mean? |
| 20:05.19 | c01100011 | alright- doesn't sound bad , thanks, |
| 20:05.23 | MASoft | It seems the most of users use irssi. doesn't it ? |
| 20:05.23 | doub | c01100011: a more complicated setup involves a "standard" DNS server like bind |
| 20:05.24 | greycat | bluebell: not per se, but you can use "bash -x myscript" |
| 20:05.24 | Overand | Glitch_Master: just making sure. =] |
| 20:05.42 | greycat | MASoft: no, only the intelligent ones |
| 20:05.50 | Glitch_Master | The problem is that hdd isn't listed in /dev |
| 20:05.54 | bluebell | greycat: i don't see that as an option in the bash manpage: what does it do? |
| 20:06.04 | greycat | bluebell: -x MUST be in there. |
| 20:06.11 | Glitch_Master | It isn't there, and therefore it can't be mounted... |
| 20:06.14 | doub | greycat: it's not in the bash man page |
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| 20:06.26 | tenchi21 | hi |
| 20:06.35 | tenchi21 | where can i find a debian floppy image? |
| 20:06.36 | rectum | for the love of god people |
| 20:06.38 | doub | bluebell: it activates xtrace mode, that is prints the result of all the actions a shell performs |
| 20:06.40 | MASoft | tenchi21, Hi ?!?!? |
| 20:06.41 | Glitch_Master | ... |
| 20:06.57 | rectum | im asking a simple question, don't spoonfeed me just tell me where i can find more info on it, i've read all man pages i could think of and i can't find this |
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| 20:07.01 | rectum | PLEASE! |
| 20:07.05 | bluebell | doub: ah no, it is in there |
| 20:07.15 | bluebell | it's just under the valid arguments to "set" |
| 20:07.15 | greycat | doub: argh! They hide it. "In addition to the single-character shell options documented in the description of the set builtin command, bash interprets the following..." |
| 20:07.15 | Glitch_Master | tenchi21: Debian doesn't fit on a floppy. There are some things chopped down to be almost the size, but it's generally found on an iso... |
| 20:07.16 | MASoft | tenchi21, what do u need exactly ? |
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| 20:07.21 | doub | bluebell: it's in the dash man page if you installed it |
| 20:07.23 | abrotman | rectum: if you don't like our help .. bugger off |
| 20:07.30 | tenchi21 | boot floppy .img file |
| 20:07.33 | *** part/#debian bahamat (~bahamat@ip67-154-182-242.z182-154-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 20:07.35 | LinuxMafia | hi |
| 20:07.38 | greycat | Then -x is WAAAAAY the fuck down in 'set'. |
| 20:07.39 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.39 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.39 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.39 | Glitch_Master | techni21: OH. |
| 20:07.40 | LinuxMafia | all : how do i get to bios in old Toshiba laptop ? |
| 20:07.40 | *** kick/#debian [greycat!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 20:07.44 | rectum | what help, the matter of liking or disliking comes in IO |
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| 20:07.47 | rectum | IF i get helped |
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| 20:07.54 | greycat | DAMN IT debhelper! I waited more than 1 second! |
| 20:07.57 | bluebell | greycat: and not the easiest thing to try to search for in a 4k man page =:) |
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| 20:07.59 | Glitch_Master | Come to think of it... I've never heard of a Linux boot disk. >.> |
| 20:08.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 797] by debhelper |
| 20:08.04 | abrotman | rectum: maybe noone will help you because your nick sucks? :) |
| 20:08.09 | twobitsprite | is there a mpeg/etc codec package on apt? |
| 20:08.10 | greycat | bluebell: don't bother filing a bug report, either. |
| 20:08.18 | rectum | then we have very close minded people here |
| 20:08.21 | greycat | bluebell: I promise you, debian won't accept any documentation patches from us users. |
| 20:08.24 | rectum | whom i feel really sorry for |
| 20:08.24 | bluebell | greycat: aww |
| 20:08.25 | tenchi21 | my pc can't boot from cd (no option in bios) |
| 20:08.26 | rectum | :( |
| 20:08.26 | Glitch_Master | Any thoughts from anyone on my lack of hdd? |
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| 20:08.33 | greycat | bluebell: upstream might, though. |
| 20:08.45 | bluebell | greycat: can i complain that zless in /bin references /usr/bin/zless ? |
| 20:08.50 | directhex | greycat, did someone eat your "linux man pages" factoid? |
| 20:08.52 | MASoft | tenchi21, so you don't need debian boot disk ! you need a linux boot disk ;) |
| 20:09.06 | rectum | if you let someones harmless nickname stop you from helping them, then maybe you shouldn't be in a support channel to begin with |
| 20:09.09 | tenchi21 | MASoft: ok |
| 20:09.09 | FieldySnuts | Glitch_Master: that channel turned off in the bios, lame support for the controller in the kernel, bad or no power to the drive, bad or otherwise lame IDE cable/connectors |
| 20:09.09 | greycat | bluebell: you can complain. I can't promise anything will happen as a result. |
| 20:09.15 | greycat | !gnu man pages |
| 20:09.15 | dpkg | gnu man pages are utterly shit, and you can't fix them even if you try. For example, see http://bugs.debian.org/111578 |
| 20:09.27 | greycat | directhex: I had to rename it for honesty. The linux ones (section 2) aren't that bad. |
| 20:09.31 | twobitsprite | any idea where I can find a good collection of codecs for linux? |
| 20:09.34 | caphuso | greycat: check #301764 |
| 20:09.42 | Glitch_Master | FieldySnuts: recent logs indicate the device being read and identified. |
| 20:09.52 | caphuso | greycat: they just don't accept man page patches from you :-P |
| 20:10.03 | Eclipser | hmpf |
| 20:10.04 | Glitch_Master | May 4 15:37:09 localhost kernel: hdd: SONY CD-RW CRX195E1, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 20:10.13 | FieldySnuts | Glitch_Master: no idea then. if you can see the disk at least as a device, install smartmontools and use smartctl -a on it and maybe it can return something useful |
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| 20:10.17 | FieldySnuts | oh it's a cd drive, i dunno then |
| 20:10.25 | bluebell | oh i entirely agree with the GNU man pages being crap |
| 20:10.28 | greycat | caphuso: I don't see any action taken yet. |
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| 20:10.41 | Eclipser | ifconfig's RX bytes gets over it's limit and starts all over again a couple of times a day :) |
| 20:10.42 | c01100011 | doub- this is probably a stupid question but, how do i setup the windows computer to use the dns ? |
| 20:10.48 | gogo_ | how to chceck the users on msyql |
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| 20:10.54 | caphuso | greycat: it's pending upload. that means it has been accepted by the maintainer |
| 20:10.55 | greycat | gogo_: ask #mysql |
| 20:11.03 | directhex | thirded. wget's mnan page doesn't document how to bypass robots.txt |
| 20:11.05 | Glitch_Master | Can I hit c01100011 with something heavy? Pleeease? |
| 20:11.05 | abrotman | rectum: i didn't say it was stopping me .. i just suggested that might be a reason |
| 20:11.16 | abrotman | !hurt c01100011 |
| 20:11.19 | abrotman | better? |
| 20:11.19 | doub | c01100011: it depends on the version |
| 20:11.23 | greycat | caphuso: so maybe I should have used "-c" format? |
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| 20:11.24 | Glitch_Master | Yay. ^_^ |
| 20:11.56 | MASoft | tenchi21, you must go to Debian Installer CD. then /install/floppy/ .there is a boot.img there ;) |
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| 20:12.09 | tenchi21 | MASoft: so where can i get a linux boot floppy |
| 20:12.15 | tenchi21 | sec |
| 20:12.17 | c01100011 | c01100011- bashes self with anvil - sorry for stupid networking questions, i never delt with anything more complex then plugging my computer directly into the modem, WIndows XP |
| 20:12.26 | Glitch_Master | Hrm... This is so weird... If I understand this correctly, shouldn't any device recognized by the system automatically be listed in /dev? |
| 20:12.41 | MASoft | tenchi21, did you see my last mesg. ? |
| 20:12.42 | Eclipser | gogo_, use mysql-admin :) |
| 20:12.45 | rectum | abrotman: i gather you are pretty much a linux/debian guru, if not close enough, i think you know wha ti need to know, so if you could tell me, i'd be greatful |
| 20:12.53 | abrotman | grateful |
| 20:12.59 | rectum | thank you |
| 20:13.02 | rectum | mr. spell check |
| 20:13.03 | abrotman | rectum: i honestly missed your question |
| 20:13.03 | rectum | ;) |
| 20:13.09 | tenchi21 | was typing as you posted |
| 20:13.13 | greycat | rectum: for starters, choosing a nick that's less disturbing might help. |
| 20:13.13 | Glitch_Master | grateful? I always thought it was the former... |
| 20:13.17 | gogo_ | Eclipser: how? |
| 20:13.22 | greycat | Glitch_Master: grateful. |
| 20:13.26 | Glitch_Master | Odd. |
| 20:13.27 | abrotman | !spell greatful |
| 20:13.29 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 20:13.32 | abrotman | dpkg: you suck |
| 20:13.33 | dpkg | Dream on, abrotman. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 20:13.38 | greycat | dpkg: spell it in base 8, then. |
| 20:13.39 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 20:13.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:13.44 | rectum | i need to start a badblocks can at a certai position on the partition. running fsck -c -c and start in the middle of disk or at a specificed place |
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| 20:13.58 | abrotman | rectum: why wouldn't you want to check the whole thing ? |
| 20:14.02 | greycat | rectum: maybe it just can't be done? |
| 20:14.06 | greycat | rectum: UTSL. |
| 20:14.12 | rectum | what is utsl |
| 20:14.14 | Glitch_Master | Anime has absorbed the intelligent media. :| |
| 20:14.15 | MASoft | tenchi21, was it helpful ? |
| 20:14.23 | FieldySnuts | what intelligent media. |
| 20:14.31 | FieldySnuts | (note: anime isn't iltelligent (hides)) |
| 20:14.38 | blueyed | # route add -net 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:14.38 | blueyed | SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument |
| 20:14.39 | rectum | anime is lame |
| 20:14.39 | blueyed | ? |
| 20:14.42 | rectum | i agree |
| 20:14.43 | FieldySnuts | @win rectum |
| 20:14.45 | ravenbird | Congratulations, rectum! You have won the US presidency! |
| 20:14.46 | greycat | 127.0.0.1 is not a net. |
| 20:14.49 | Glitch_Master | The sort that would correct your lack of a question mark and misuse of a period, FieldySnuts. |
| 20:14.49 | rectum | i wish |
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| 20:14.55 | tenchi21 | why are there 7 cds for debian? |
| 20:14.57 | rectum | then i'd try and get pot legalized |
| 20:14.58 | FieldySnuts | you're trying to add what, a default route? that should be taken care of for you |
| 20:14.59 | rectum | :/ |
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| 20:15.05 | stew | tenchi21: cuz it won't fit on 6 |
| 20:15.05 | blueyed | But this is in man, greycat.. |
| 20:15.11 | stew | tenchi21: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 20:15.16 | FieldySnuts | didn't he just get done saying the man pages are lame.. |
| 20:15.29 | tenchi21 | do I need all 7? |
| 20:15.34 | greycat | I do not see 127.0.0.1 anywhere in route(8) on sarge. |
| 20:15.42 | harfooz | Hi all. got a real minor question: the logos on debianplanet.org are now blue -- is Debian changing it's colors with the Sarge release? |
| 20:15.45 | greycat | Care to be any more vague? |
| 20:15.46 | rectum | well if the man pages are lame, then wtf, debian people should write better ones, rather then dissing the ones already there |
| 20:16.25 | abrotman | rectum: afaict .. fsck doesn't have that ability |
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| 20:16.25 | Glitch_Master | tenchi21: Please listen to your peers. Type /msg dpkg netinst |
| 20:16.25 | abrotman | rectum: man info |
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| 20:16.25 | stew | tenchi21: no /msg dpkg netinst |
| 20:16.25 | FieldySnuts | rectum: people like greycat have tried. and been rejected. |
| 20:16.26 | FieldySnuts | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=111578 |
| 20:16.26 | rectum | that sucks |
| 20:16.26 | rectum | :( |
| 20:16.26 | abrotman | harfooz: not reallly affiliated |
| 20:16.26 | harfooz | abrotman, ok thanks. |
| 20:16.26 | FieldySnuts | at least i think that was greycat , but i'm crazy. someone here did. |
| 20:16.30 | Phated | harfooz: Maybe it's supposed to look "frozen"? xD |
| 20:16.31 | blueyed | greycat, Ubuntu here.. route(8) from 2 jan 2000 (net-tools) |
| 20:16.31 | greycat | FieldySnuts: it was. |
| 20:16.32 | rectum | !info |
| 20:16.35 | abrotman | rectum: though .. i suspect .. in all the time you've sat here and bitched and asked .. the drive would have been half done by now |
| 20:16.38 | harfooz | abrotman, heh |
| 20:16.41 | rectum | dude |
| 20:16.42 | greycat | blueyed: go away, then. /j #ubuntu |
| 20:16.42 | Glitch_Master | Oh the pains of open source... :| |
| 20:16.44 | caphuso | it's kinda useless putting examples in the find man page, given how overloaded with them the texinfo docs are already |
| 20:16.51 | FieldySnuts | damnit, ubuntu isn't debian. ask #ubuntu . no, we don't care if it's idle or they can't help. |
| 20:16.53 | Glitch_Master | Worth the hobby, I guess. |
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| 20:16.54 | rectum | abrotman: the drive has been scanning ALL day, 7 hours almost, and its only halfway done |
| 20:17.02 | abrotman | rectum: how big is the drive? |
| 20:17.09 | rectum | you're gonna lugh |
| 20:17.11 | FieldySnuts | yes, a block by block check takes hours |
| 20:17.12 | rectum | 60gb |
| 20:17.17 | abrotman | sounds like a fucked drive to me |
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| 20:17.30 | FieldySnuts | use dmsg , do you see really nasty error messages? |
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| 20:17.32 | bluebell | caphuso: yes, but texinfo docs are horrible to navigate. maybe i'm just not using them properly. |
| 20:17.35 | blueyed | FieldySnuts, greycat, it'S a dist-upgraded woody.. I'll shut up. |
| 20:17.47 | rectum | actually every file works fine, just one file in the middle can't be read |
| 20:17.50 | caphuso | bluebell: you're not using them properly |
| 20:17.50 | abrotman | rectum: i realize 60GB is big .. but i'm pretty sure it shouldn't take 7 hours |
| 20:17.50 | greycat | ubuntu is not an upgrade. |
| 20:17.56 | Glitch_Master | sTone_heAd, not to be rude, but your capital letters seem to have shifted out of place. |
| 20:17.56 | tenchi21 | stew: which do i need? i see root.bin, rescue.bin, driver-x.bin |
| 20:18.01 | rectum | well man if im lying im dying |
| 20:18.07 | FieldySnuts | @nickometer sTone_heAd |
| 20:18.09 | ravenbird | 'sTone_heAd' is 19.000% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 20:18.13 | greycat | it takes someone *really* special to bitch in #debian about a line in an ubuntu man page. |
| 20:18.14 | abrotman | rectum: no .. if it takes longer . could be a drive issue |
| 20:18.16 | rectum | @nickometer rectum |
| 20:18.16 | sTone_heAd | Glitch_Master, i know |
| 20:18.17 | ravenbird | 'rectum' is 0.000% lame, rectum |
| 20:18.20 | rectum | hah |
| 20:18.22 | bluebell | caphuso: do you have an info reader with mouse support then? |
| 20:18.25 | FieldySnuts | greycat: ubuntu man pages are different? |
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| 20:18.26 | caphuso | hell, they have a friggin' TOC and index, how easier can you make it to navigate? |
| 20:18.27 | rectum | i don't think in eed to change my nick |
| 20:18.28 | rectum | so booooya |
| 20:18.31 | ix | @nickometer ix |
| 20:18.32 | Glitch_Master | @nickometer Glitch_Master |
| 20:18.32 | ravenbird | 'ix' is 0.000% lame, ix |
| 20:18.34 | ravenbird | 'Glitch_Master' is 0.000% lame, glitch_master |
| 20:18.37 | abrotman | rectum: it's broken |
| 20:18.37 | stew | tenchi21: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ chose the netinst for your arch |
| 20:18.47 | rectum | abrotman: i don't think so |
| 20:18.49 | caphuso | bluebell: urgh, no |
| 20:18.52 | blueyed | FieldySnuts, they are probably noit. |
| 20:18.52 | abrotman | you'd be wrong |
| 20:18.54 | Glitch_Master | @nickometer abrotman |
| 20:18.54 | rectum | wwell hold on |
| 20:18.56 | FieldySnuts | ah. |
| 20:18.56 | ravenbird | 'abrotman' is 0.000% lame, glitch_master |
| 20:18.56 | rectum | check this |
| 20:19.13 | Glitch_Master | ....Well, I won't abuse the bots. :P |
| 20:19.17 | rectum | if i left the pc runing with the scan, and left for a few hours, the screen goes blank after 30 mins, does that stop the scan too, or does it keep running |
| 20:19.17 | abrotman | good thinking |
| 20:19.20 | nagual | if its 0% lame it should state that its cool :) |
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| 20:19.28 | abrotman | rectum: don't you have a HDD activity light ? |
| 20:19.34 | Glitch_Master | nagual: don't pick on the unedited infobots. :P |
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| 20:19.39 | rectum | yes, but i wasn't around |
| 20:19.40 | ix | @nickometer NeO_15^^ |
| 20:19.41 | rectum | to notice |
| 20:19.41 | Glitch_Master | I think that's part of infobot, anyway... |
| 20:19.41 | ravenbird | 'NeO_15^^' is 92.800% lame, ix |
| 20:19.42 | rectum | heh |
| 20:19.46 | ix | oh :) |
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| 20:20.07 | abrotman | rectum: maybe you should watch it very closely .. or at least litsen |
| 20:20.09 | abrotman | err listen |
| 20:20.17 | caphuso | "info -find", hit i, type in -in<tab><enter>, bang, you're exactly where you need to be and have an example right in front of you |
| 20:20.22 | caphuso | do that with a man page... |
| 20:20.24 | greycat | dpkg, dickometer $1 is <reply> $1 is (7|8|9)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9).(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)% phallic, $who. |
| 20:20.24 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:20.26 | LinuxMafia | all : any one knows how can i get to bios in toshiba satellite 4030cds? |
| 20:20.33 | bluebell | caphuso: well, i can read man pages with 'search' and 'pageup-pagedown' |
| 20:20.33 | *** part/#debian FieldySnuts (6U23Mj6HNI@fieldysnuts.user) |
| 20:20.43 | abrotman | !dickometer greycat |
| 20:20.44 | dpkg | greycat is 96.2% phallic, abrotman. |
| 20:20.47 | abrotman | works ok |
| 20:20.54 | bluebell | caphuso: to read info pages i need to scroll around with some sort of fake pointer and clicky at things until i find something that maybe shows what i want. |
| 20:21.01 | Glitch_Master | Hmmm... |
| 20:21.07 | Glitch_Master | !dickometer Glitch_Master |
| 20:21.08 | dpkg | Glitch_Master is 70.9% phallic, glitch_master. |
| 20:21.09 | Glitch_Master | <.< |
| 20:21.12 | *** part/#debian smcavoy (~smcavoy@grimlock.drive-megawheels.net) |
| 20:21.14 | Glitch_Master | Is that good? |
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| 20:21.32 | caphuso | bluebell: that's because you never bothered learning how to use info(1) |
| 20:21.39 | greycat | caphuso: and who can blame him. |
| 20:21.39 | tarzeau | ubuntu: NO |
| 20:21.43 | caphuso | greycat: i can |
| 20:21.47 | tenchi21 | stew: i get boot failed |
| 20:21.51 | greycat | hint: pinfo. |
| 20:21.55 | Glitch_Master | There ought to be an auto-scream-at-"ubuntu" script in these bots. :P |
| 20:21.57 | caphuso | pinfo is crap |
| 20:22.05 | greycat | caphuso: yes, but it's less crap than info(1). |
| 20:22.07 | stew | tenchi21: huh? when? |
| 20:22.15 | caphuso | greycat: nonsense |
| 20:22.17 | tenchi21 | after enter for boot |
| 20:22.22 | caphuso | damn, pinfo doesn't even support tab completion |
| 20:22.26 | blueyed | greycat, it was a typo.. of course I've meant 127.0.0.0.. no idea why SIOCADDRT does say "invalid argument"? What package does this belong to? |
| 20:22.30 | greycat | actually the best info page reader is "cd /usr/share/info; zcat blah* | less" |
| 20:22.35 | bluebell | caphuso: possibly I just don't like emacs. |
| 20:22.35 | caphuso | no incremental search through all nodes either |
| 20:22.45 | caphuso | bluebell: what has emacs to do with anything? |
| 20:22.52 | bluebell | caphuso: i'm assuming it's related to info |
| 20:22.53 | greycat | caphuso: you have to ask? |
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| 20:23.00 | stew | tenchi21: you downloaded a netinst cd, burned it, booted it, then hit enter at the boot: prompt and you get boot failed? |
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| 20:23.12 | caphuso | bluebell: you don't a single clue about what you are talking about |
| 20:23.20 | bluebell | the man page on info seems to talk about 'info emacs' |
| 20:23.25 | greycat | caphuso: no, he does. info(1) is HEAVILY based on the emacs mindset. |
| 20:23.34 | greycat | caphuso: anyone who's not already a disciple of the church of emacs will HATE it. |
| 20:23.36 | bluebell | so they probably like emacs, yesno? |
| 20:23.41 | caphuso | greycat: not really. it just uses a few common key strokes |
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| 20:24.06 | caphuso | and you can always use --vi-keys for a rough approximation |
| 20:24.07 | tenchi21 | stew: sorta i have a ubuntu cd in the laptop, and created the debian diskette using the i386 boot.img |
| 20:24.18 | caphuso | if you like something more less-like |
| 20:24.30 | bluebell | caphuso: 'if you are in emacs and you have a mouse' |
| 20:24.35 | caphuso | again, learn how to use a tool before blaming it |
| 20:24.35 | bluebell | caphuso: ^-- and it's not emacs based |
| 20:24.41 | caphuso | bluebell: emacs has its own info reader |
| 20:24.50 | stew | tenchi21: you are trying to install woody? |
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| 20:25.05 | caphuso | bluebell: but it's completely unrelated to the standalone one |
| 20:25.25 | tenchi21 | ubuntu |
| 20:25.35 | bluebell | caphuso: just reading the info pages. |
| 20:25.53 | tarzeau | die |
| 20:25.54 | stew | tenchi21: then go to #ubuntu ...plonk |
| 20:25.55 | SquareRt | what part of ubuntu not being debian do people miss? |
| 20:25.58 | tenchi21 | i'll try it again |
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| 20:26.06 | greycat | SquareRt: the "this means you!" bit, apparently. |
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| 20:26.16 | SquareRt | greycat: heh |
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| 20:26.37 | SquareRt | memo to self: don't drink talisker too fast |
| 20:26.46 | LinuxMafia | all : any one knows how can i get to bios in toshiba satellite 4030cds? |
| 20:27.14 | greycat | LinuxMafia: try all function keys plus DEL. |
| 20:27.14 | SquareRt | linuxmafia: screwdriver and an IC extractor grip? ;) |
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| 20:27.21 | SquareRt | greycat: and ESX |
| 20:27.21 | mops_ | I would like to make my own private chess server |
| 20:27.23 | SquareRt | ESC* |
| 20:27.28 | mops_ | is there a solution for me? |
| 20:27.43 | tarzeau | i wish debian nethack had the score define in |
| 20:27.44 | SquareRt | mops_: what chess program do you use? |
| 20:27.48 | bluebell | caphuso: is there an info->html converter? |
| 20:27.54 | vick | Does anyone know any good free games for Linux ? |
| 20:27.56 | bluebell | caphuso: that seems a more intuitive way of using this? |
| 20:27.59 | tarzeau | vick: yes |
| 20:27.59 | greycat | !games |
| 20:27.59 | dpkg | i guess games is Some cool multiplayer games: koth, netris, quake, xevil, bzflag or the only piece of software that is allowed to be non-free, because they are more like an art form than a program, or http://www.uniball-central.com, or #gametome for newer games. WikiWikiWeb:LinuxGames |
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| 20:28.06 | mops_ | SquareRt: nothing to this time :) |
| 20:28.08 | greycat | that's a rather limited set. |
| 20:28.11 | mops_ | but I want to start |
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| 20:28.14 | caphuso | bluebell: yes. it sucks |
| 20:28.17 | greycat | (and why do they list *multiplayer*?) |
| 20:28.20 | LinuxMafia | greycat, f1,f2,del wont work |
| 20:28.22 | mops_ | I'm now testing eboard |
| 20:28.28 | greycat | LinuxMafia: you have at least 10 more to try. |
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| 20:28.37 | bluebell | caphuso: but surely a small pages with links between them system is perfect for being displayed as html? |
| 20:28.37 | tarzeau | dpkg games is also www.mtp-target.org, jumpnbump, supertux, gtetrinet and pathogen |
| 20:28.37 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 20:28.38 | stew | no list of linux games is complete without nethack |
| 20:28.47 | bluebell | hah |
| 20:28.48 | tarzeau | dpkg games is also nethack |
| 20:28.48 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 20:28.51 | bluebell | and info segfaults =:) |
| 20:28.52 | tarzeau | stew: how true |
| 20:28.53 | greycat | dpkg, games is also freeciv |
| 20:28.53 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:28.54 | mops_ | and it will be great to have my own server - for me and my friends |
| 20:28.59 | LinuxMafia | greycat, i will |
| 20:28.59 | SquareRt | stew: or bofh.z5 ;) |
| 20:28.59 | mops_ | is it possible? |
| 20:29.07 | stew | don't know that one |
| 20:29.11 | tarzeau | dpkg games is also dopewars |
| 20:29.12 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 20:29.12 | bluebell | lol, this rocks =:) |
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| 20:29.21 | tarzeau | vick: any more questions? |
| 20:29.33 | sepski | vick, wolfenstein enemy territory! |
| 20:29.33 | caphuso | bluebell: maybe. but you lose all the special support for the index, for example |
| 20:29.35 | bluebell | caphuso: info info; hold down 'n'; hold down '[', segfault =:) |
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| 20:29.49 | LinuxMafia | greycat, oh esc work , it ask for password |
| 20:29.51 | greycat | vick: and Hunt the Wumpus! |
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| 20:30.19 | EvanCarroll | bluebell: wow that works for me too |
| 20:30.32 | EvanCarroll | bluebell: are you going to file a bug report for that if not i will |
| 20:30.33 | stew | bluebell: file a bug |
| 20:30.35 | caphuso | bluebell: hrm, weird |
| 20:30.43 | bluebell | bloody new fangled systems |
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| 20:30.50 | EvanCarroll | bluebell: I will take care of it if you would rather i file one |
| 20:30.51 | caphuso | "new fangled"? |
| 20:30.52 | bluebell | wouldn't happen if we all used man *waves stick* |
| 20:30.59 | greycat | the freeciv AI still isn't competitive, but at least in 2.0 it actually *feels* like you're playing against an opponent. |
| 20:31.01 | bluebell | in *my* day =:) |
| 20:31.06 | caphuso | it's like what, as old as GNU? |
| 20:31.07 | bluebell | EvanCarroll: go for it. |
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| 20:31.20 | greycat | !geezersmite caphuso = |
| 20:31.40 | bluebell | i should probably get back to work, after my adventures in infoland. |
| 20:31.48 | blahdeblah | Hi. I have a SI 3112 SATA controller and apparently at kernel 2.6.8, it changed from PATA emulation to use libata (SCSI emulation) instead. Any idea how i can tell mdadm that my root VG is now on /dev/sd[ab] instead of /dev/hd[eg]? |
| 20:31.51 | greycat | bluebell: pinfo may help. |
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| 20:32.30 | ^2_ | hi |
| 20:32.44 | bluebell | greycat: the colouring of links is nice. |
| 20:32.53 | tarzeau | someone got a pbuilder and feels like test-building some three things? |
| 20:33.33 | ^2_ | I installed StarCraft with wine. When I try to start StarCraft it always complains that the CD is not inserted. |
| 20:33.38 | caphuso | pinfo doesn't help... Development |
| 20:33.38 | caphuso | * Ipc: (ipc). System V interprocess communication |
| 20:33.47 | caphuso | Node Ipc not found |
| 20:34.02 | gravity | ^2_: Try #codeweavers I think |
| 20:34.18 | ^2_ | The CD /is/ inserted, the config file is properly set up and there is the 'unhide' option added to the cdrom-line in /etc/fstab. |
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| 20:34.30 | Glitch_Master | ^2_: Well, first of all, I don't think StarCraft will run with WINE alone, secondly it may actually need the CD to run... |
| 20:34.39 | bluebell | greycat: cheers |
| 20:34.44 | bluebell | pinfo is a lot faster to use. |
| 20:34.44 | gravity | Starcraft will run with wine. It's done it for years. |
| 20:34.51 | Glitch_Master | Oh. |
| 20:34.52 | caphuso | bluebell: no, it's not |
| 20:34.52 | ^2_ | Glitch_Master: The CD is inserted. |
| 20:34.54 | Glitch_Master | Well, I've never played it. |
| 20:34.55 | ^2_ | and mounted. |
| 20:34.57 | shingouz | Now what. 2.6.8-686 from Debian installed and suddenly I lost my usb printer, cups says this: "Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": No such device". ls -l /dev/usb/lp* spits out lp0...lp15 |
| 20:35.05 | Glitch_Master | :P |
| 20:35.06 | bluebell | caphuso: it's faster because i can read coloured links faster than black/white ones. |
| 20:35.10 | gravity | I remember trying it out circa 2001 |
| 20:35.14 | bluebell | perhaps the default configuration of info is wrong. |
| 20:35.21 | stew | shingouz: did you suddently install udev or something? |
| 20:35.24 | caphuso | bluebell: check how long it takes you to get from "pinfo find" to the description of the -atime option |
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| 20:35.28 | saabin | how to use mutt to send an attachment cat file.xls | mutt -s dgg ?? |
| 20:35.36 | shingouz | stew: Nope, no udev here that i know of |
| 20:35.40 | abrotman | stew: why do you always blame udev? |
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| 20:35.53 | stew | !blame udev |
| 20:36.01 | gravity | heh |
| 20:36.01 | Glitch_Master | shingouz: I'm not very experienced with cups, but should that "usb:" be there? |
| 20:36.01 | bluebell | caphuso: pinfo find ; S -atime; and i'm at a reference for it. |
| 20:36.16 | bluebell | caphuso: in section 2.3.1 "Age Ranges" |
| 20:36.24 | gravity | I use udev, so I know why stew always blames it |
| 20:36.36 | stew | i've actually never had the pleasure of trying it |
| 20:36.39 | caphuso | bluebell: i get "Search string not found..." |
| 20:36.40 | shingouz | Glitch_Master: No idea but it used to work with a Debian 2.4.27 nicely with the exact same settings it has now |
| 20:36.45 | gravity | stew: It's... ok |
| 20:36.48 | bluebell | caphuso: funny. |
| 20:36.58 | bluebell | caphuso: wfm. |
| 20:37.02 | gravity | When it works, it's great. When it doesn't, it's udev. |
| 20:37.11 | bluebell | Installed: 0.6.8-4 |
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| 20:37.27 | k-dog | saabin: You can send a file as an attachment w/ '-a <file>' option. |
| 20:37.30 | k-dog | saabin: ...at cmdline. |
| 20:38.07 | k-dog | saabin: Otherwise, uuencode, related. |
| 20:38.17 | k-dog | saabin: google 'email attachements site:linuxmafia.com' |
| 20:39.13 | bluebell | caphuso: hmm, it seems to be limited to only searching forwards within an info page, but that might just be me not finding the right command. |
| 20:39.45 | shingouz | Maybe a bit more information would help, usbmgr has the printer in the conf file with module "printer" which seems a bit odd, modprobe cannot locate such a beast |
| 20:40.01 | Glitch_Master | Have you ever gone to the very beginning of your root command history and read stuff? It's very nostalgic.. |
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| 20:40.28 | shingouz | Glitch_Master: Yea, I noticed "let there be light" ;) |
| 20:40.38 | Glitch_Master | o.o |
| 20:41.14 | cureless | Glitch_Master: how long is your history? |
| 20:41.17 | caphuso | bluebell: there's nothing in /etc/pinforc |
| 20:41.26 | greycat | dpkg, no, qotd75 is <reply> <Glitch_Master> Have you ever gone to the very beginning of your root command history and read stuff? It's very nostalgic.. <shingouz> Glitch_Master: Yea, I noticed "let there be light" ;) |
| 20:41.26 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:41.33 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/75 // |
| 20:41.33 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:41.55 | streuner | greycat: hehe :-) |
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| 20:42.28 | shingouz | hehehe... I got into a qotd :) |
| 20:42.41 | caphuso | bluebell: nothing in the info docs either |
| 20:42.50 | bluebell | caphuso: ah well, i'll survive |
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| 20:43.07 | Glitch_Master | cureless: I dunno. Goes back to my GNOME installation: "apt-get install gtkmm-2.0" |
| 20:43.10 | caphuso | bluebell: well, it's certainly faster to go back up a few times and search forward than simply searching backwards ;-) |
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| 20:43.21 | rue_mohr | ok, I'm beggining to hate apt-rdepends for bringing up virtual packages |
| 20:43.39 | bluebell | caphuso: tbf, it's easier to read. This alone is enough for me. |
| 20:43.42 | Glitch_Master | Anyone know another reason why /dev/hdd isn't showing when it should? |
| 20:43.52 | greycat | Glitch_Master: udev? |
| 20:43.55 | pipeline | Hours ago I suggested cabling |
| 20:43.59 | greycat | Glitch_Master: or worse, devfs? |
| 20:44.00 | pipeline | Because that's the most likely culprit |
| 20:44.04 | caphuso | bluebell: easier to read? text is text |
| 20:44.12 | cureless | Glitch_Master: bash default is 500 |
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| 20:44.33 | Glitch_Master | cureless: Yeah... I've only been on Debian since around late January, I think. |
| 20:44.42 | Glitch_Master | Ironically, it's my first Linux. |
| 20:44.49 | pipeline | How is that ironic? |
| 20:44.51 | Glitch_Master | I'm doing quite well despite my constant misfortune. |
| 20:45.03 | Glitch_Master | pipeline: It's not usually one to start with. |
| 20:45.03 | benjim | Slackware was my first distro |
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| 20:45.23 | EvanCarroll | bluebell: bug report filed woudl you like a copy of it forwarded to your email address? |
| 20:45.26 | Glitch_Master | Technically I did have redhat for a couple days, but I never got anywhere with it. |
| 20:45.28 | streuner | benjim: don't bore us too much :-) |
| 20:45.48 | benjim | well - I used to be a distro whore, but I'm ok now! :-) |
| 20:46.08 | Glitch_Master | Welcome to the beige side. |
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| 20:46.26 | cureless | I normally set my history to 5000 |
| 20:46.34 | bluebell | EvanCarroll: delph@bluelinux.co.uk if you could |
| 20:46.36 | Glitch_Master | I don't know how to tweak the history. |
| 20:46.43 | saabin | k-dog: I must use it with cat mimencode will do the job? Maybe |
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| 20:46.53 | Glitch_Master | greycat: udev just checks for new devices, right? |
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| 20:47.31 | Glitch_Master | Err... |
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| 20:47.55 | Glitch_Master | Well, the man file says it actually does significant stuff, but I honestly don't see anything ever happening when I simply type "udev" |
| 20:48.01 | Glitch_Master | I don't think I know how to use it. >.> |
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| 20:48.16 | greycat | Glitch_Master: it moves your real /dev tree to /.dev and then remounts some empty thing onto /dev and then dynamically populates it. And people think this is somehow desirable. (*shudder*) |
| 20:48.20 | drasko | how to compile gtk2.0 in anjuta? |
| 20:48.29 | k-dog | saabin: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Mail/email-commandline-attachments.html |
| 20:48.40 | greycat | Glitch_Master: you don't invoke it from the command line. |
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| 20:49.05 | benjim | Glitch - it's a replacement for devfs - creates nodes for devices in a system |
| 20:49.10 | streuner | drasko: it should be enough to get libgtk2.0-dev |
| 20:49.25 | Glitch_Master | Erm... well.. what should I do? |
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| 20:49.49 | greycat | drasko: what the hell is your problem? |
| 20:50.13 | greycat | 16:03 drasko> how to compile gtk2.0 in anjuta? |
| 20:50.15 | greycat | 16:03 greycat> drasko: don't. |
| 20:50.16 | greycat | 16:03 greycat> drasko: apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev |
| 20:50.25 | benjim | Glitch_Master: Do about what? |
| 20:50.26 | streuner | hm |
| 20:50.27 | greycat | 16:48 drasko> how to compile gtk2.0 in anjuta? |
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| 20:50.47 | streuner | drasko: just read INSTALL or README or whatever |
| 20:50.59 | ln | what is the name of the hdparm replacement? |
| 20:51.05 | caphuso | ln: blktool |
| 20:51.05 | Glitch_Master | benjim: hdd isn't showing up, but it should be. |
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| 20:51.16 | ln | caphuso: thanks |
| 20:51.18 | Led_Zeppelin | Is it possible to open up a Solaris partition in Linux? |
| 20:51.24 | Led_Zeppelin | Solaris 9 to be particular. |
| 20:51.32 | shingouz | Hmmm... /proc/bus/usb/devices tells me that the printer has "Driver=(none)" for it? What should it be for a USB printer in the first place? |
| 20:51.34 | benjim | how isn't it showing up? Surely it's mounted, or do you mean another drive |
| 20:51.52 | YouCeyE | my udev installation wont create /dev/mixer |
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| 20:51.57 | Glitch_Master | benjim: I mean it's not listed in /dev, but it's recognized by the system as indicated by log files. |
| 20:51.59 | YouCeyE | while devfs works fine |
| 20:52.14 | streuner | YouCeyE: apt-get remove udev |
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| 20:52.19 | streuner | YouCeyE: apt-get remove devfs |
| 20:52.26 | pipeline | Led_Zeppelin: Yes. Read the relevant man page, though. |
| 20:52.35 | pipeline | Led_Zeppelin: Also, mounting it rw is not likely to work |
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| 20:52.43 | pipeline | Led_Zeppelin: In fact, it's likely to destroy it :P |
| 20:52.45 | Led_Zeppelin | pipeline, umm, what man page? man mount? |
| 20:52.46 | ln | there is a package providing a daemon that regulary checks that certain network services are running. Does anyonw know the name? |
| 20:52.47 | YouCeyE | streuner, what next? |
| 20:53.15 | pipeline | Led_Zeppelin: Oh, probably. i don't remember how debian man pages are arranged for mount, but there's an option for "ufstype" that you have to pass to mount. |
| 20:53.37 | Glitch_Master | benjim, if it helps, it's a CD-RW drive. |
| 20:53.37 | streuner | YouCeyE: /msg dpkg sound |
| 20:53.37 | Led_Zeppelin | mount -t ufs /dev/hdaXX /mnt ? |
| 20:53.40 | k-dog | ln: nagios |
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| 20:54.04 | k-dog | ln: ...or mrtg or snmp related stuff. |
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| 20:54.39 | ln | k-dog: i thought the name was shorter. it is used to check that slapd and the like are running |
| 20:54.43 | benjim | you've not got /dev/hda or /dev/hda1 etc? |
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| 20:55.32 | Glitch_Master | benjim: Me? I have those. I don't have hdd, as in secondary slave. The recent logs show that it recognizes the drive as being there, but hdd doesn't exist in /dev |
| 20:55.46 | Glitch_Master | Secondary slave IDE, that is. |
| 20:55.46 | ln | k-dog: it is running on the same host as the service and restarts the service if needed |
| 20:55.59 | Karnaugh | idnar: hi |
| 20:56.07 | k-dog | ln: Sounds like some sort of daemon watcher. |
| 20:56.18 | vrkhans | when ever i log on to free node it ask me the password what i can do to fix this |
| 20:56.34 | vrkhans | so it will not ask me the password |
| 20:56.38 | ln | yes. it checks the daemons by connecting to them |
| 20:56.40 | drasko | greycat, streuner, it's not that easy... I alredy installed all of that. Anjuta compiles the simple helloworld, but won't build it. It complains about gtk-config, and I need pkg-config in gtk+-2.0. It looks like Anjuta does not support gtk2.0 and command given on build time are for gtk1.2 |
| 20:56.40 | benjim | sounds borked to me |
| 20:56.42 | k-dog | Sweet. I'mrunning remote X over SSH tunnel w/ xine streaming video. A little laggy, but displays fine. No sound, natch. |
| 20:56.44 | Karnaugh | does anyone here know why <insert expletive here> web<<insert expletive here>>alizer <insert expletive here> doesnt <insert expletive here> listen to the <insert expletive here> -c config <insert expletive here> file <insert expletive here> switch? |
| 20:56.57 | streuner | !find gtk-config |
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| 20:57.13 | Glitch_Master | Actually, no recent logs show... |
| 20:57.23 | benjim | Karnaugh: Do I have to pick my own expletives to insert, or is there a choice? |
| 20:57.25 | Glitch_Master | Mainly because I don't have any recent logs for some reason. |
| 20:57.30 | Glitch_Master | benjim: Any way to fix? |
| 20:57.37 | k-dog | Karnaugh: because it's <insert expletive here>ing <insert expletive here>ed to <insert expletive here>ing <insert expletive here> ? |
| 20:57.39 | idnar | Karnaugh: hi |
| 20:57.43 | streuner | wtf, gtk-config is in libgtk1.2-dev? |
| 20:57.45 | k-dog | Karnaugh: ...otherwise, no. |
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| 20:58.13 | pipeline | drasko: Maybe you need a newer anjuta. |
| 20:58.15 | benjim | no idea, I'm not sure what's wrong. Is the secondary drive's jumper set to slave? |
| 20:58.23 | Glitch_Master | bejim: Yep. |
| 20:58.24 | pipeline | streuner: gtk-config is GTK 1.x-specific. |
| 20:58.29 | iostream | Hi. I'm trying to install debian sarge RC3 on a system with SATA drives, but the debian installer is unable to locate any drives.. What am I doing wrong? |
| 20:58.37 | pipeline | streuner: It wasn't even used by the last generation of GTK 1.x software :P |
| 20:58.47 | streuner | knusper:/home/user/.xchat/xchatlogs# apt-file search gtk-config |
| 20:58.47 | streuner | libgtk1.2-dev: usr/bin/gtk-config |
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| 20:59.28 | pipeline | Why is it shocking that a GTK 1.2-specific development tool is in the GTK 1.2 development package? :P |
| 20:59.47 | Karnaugh | k-dog: that was my guess |
| 21:00.10 | Karnaugh | benjim: your choice of most insulting ones would do |
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| 21:01.03 | streuner | drasko: what's the problem? the docs should say it needs that headers or not? |
| 21:01.03 | drasko | pipeline, I am using anjuta 1.2.2 wich is to be latest |
| 21:02.17 | streuner | drasko: and you want telling us the docs don't mention what you need or not? |
| 21:02.52 | nomed^ | is there anyone that can explain me hoe to make highlighting code working on cvsweb? |
| 21:03.01 | nomed^ | s/hoe/how |
| 21:03.02 | Glitch_Master | Hrm... Girlfriend over... I'll just worry about this later, I guess. o..o |
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| 21:03.16 | Glitch_Master | I'll be back another time to tackle the evil /dev/hdd problem. |
| 21:03.22 | Glitch_Master | It seems impossible to fix, anyway. |
| 21:03.30 | Glitch_Master | Thanks for the help regardless. |
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| 21:03.54 | tenchi21 | hi |
| 21:04.01 | JohnnyST | hi tenchi21 |
| 21:04.01 | benjim | Glitch_Master: I've no idea without trying myself - sorry |
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| 21:05.02 | tenchi21 | i just burned debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso to cdr and boot.img to a floppy and i get boot failed: please change disks and press a key to continue |
| 21:05.09 | tenchi21 | whats wrong? |
| 21:05.26 | abrotman | did you burn it as an image or a file ? |
| 21:05.27 | streuner | you need _root_ _and_ _rescue_ |
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| 21:05.33 | JohnnyST | tenchi21, is it a new computer? |
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| 21:05.49 | tenchi21 | JohnnyST: no |
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| 21:05.54 | JohnnyST | ok |
| 21:06.29 | streuner | tenchi21: you need both root and rescue |
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| 21:06.41 | streuner | BOTH floppy discs |
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| 21:06.43 | cirdan | hey all |
| 21:06.46 | streuner | not only one |
| 21:06.52 | cirdan | looking for advice on RAID on linux |
| 21:06.57 | tenchi21 | ok so i need 3 total floppys |
| 21:07.04 | cirdan | want a softraid that i can grow |
| 21:07.07 | cirdan | any ideas? |
| 21:07.14 | FieldySnuts | !any ideas |
| 21:07.15 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and 42 rabid badgers. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 21:07.23 | Sharkey | does anybody know when the next woddy release of Debian is out??? I heard it was coming out end of April, but it's not mentioned on the site |
| 21:07.33 | exerd | Failed to open /dev/rtc: Device or resource busy ( it should be readable by the user.) What is wrong? |
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| 21:07.51 | FieldySnuts | check the permissons, which is what it's trying to say (r for whoever is trying to use it) |
| 21:07.51 | stew | Sharkey: r5 was released on (or about) april 15th |
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| 21:08.04 | Sharkey | I thought that was just an update |
| 21:08.09 | Sharkey | lol |
| 21:08.12 | stew | Sharkey: yes, it was just an update |
| 21:08.13 | Sharkey | whoops |
| 21:08.18 | Sharkey | yeah |
| 21:08.26 | gravity | Do you mean sarge? |
| 21:08.31 | Sharkey | I thought an actual new stable version was coming out |
| 21:08.35 | Sharkey | probably |
| 21:08.39 | gravity | That's set for a month away |
| 21:08.45 | Sharkey | ok |
| 21:08.49 | Sharkey | wrong month |
| 21:08.51 | Sharkey | lol |
| 21:08.52 | gravity | No guarantees |
| 21:08.54 | Sharkey | thanks |
| 21:08.59 | gravity | No problem |
| 21:09.03 | exerd | FieldySnuts, ok tnx im a newbie how do i see what permissions it have? |
| 21:09.07 | cirdan | any ideas where to go to ask about raid on debian? |
| 21:09.09 | doub | !tell Sharkey about enter |
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| 21:09.32 | doub | too late |
| 21:10.47 | stew | although enter isn't valid punctuation, /quit is |
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| 21:12.01 | cirdan | hrm |
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| 21:12.52 | tenchi21 | i don't see the rescue.bin on http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
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| 21:14.04 | exerd | FieldySnuts, ok tnx im a newbie how do i see what permissions it have? |
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| 21:15.29 | gravity | exerd: ls -l |
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| 21:20.11 | slurpas_ | when i use my server-keyboard i can write swe-letters normaly, but when i connect throu putty, i get wierd letters on åäö.. anyone know how to fix? |
| 21:20.32 | r3v | choose diff term type in putty? |
| 21:21.21 | slurpas_ | hmm.. oki.. will trie, but dont find any "keyboard layer" thing there... |
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| 21:21.36 | slurpas_ | *searching for readme* |
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| 21:21.53 | Jooon | has anyone installed emacs 22? is there an apt repository for it somewhere? |
| 21:22.51 | caphuso | Jooon: http://usefulinc.com/edd/notes/CVSEmacsOnDebian |
| 21:23.22 | tenchi21 | can someone help me with getting debian to install |
| 21:23.46 | Jooon | caphuso: thanks. I read that and hoped for a simpler solution. I guess I'll have to try it out :) |
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| 21:23.47 | tdonahue | hi all, anyone know a utility like WinRAR that I can use to breakup a large file that needs to be burned to DVD? |
| 21:23.58 | tenchi21 | non of these disks seem to work worth a damn |
| 21:24.08 | cureless | tdonahue: like split? |
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| 21:25.59 | doub | tenchi21: you can't boot from cd? |
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| 21:26.44 | Overand | do irc clients report idleness to the server, or does the server just count between messages? |
| 21:26.47 | tdonahue | cureless, yes like split, what would I use to join the file back together? |
| 21:27.05 | tdonahue | i didn't see any references in the man page |
| 21:27.21 | doub | Overand: at first sight, i bet the server compares current time with last message timestamp |
| 21:27.30 | tenchi21 | doub: no |
| 21:27.50 | shingouz | This is odd. From what I can see on google a usb printer would need the module printer.o with 2.4 so I'd guess printer.ko would be needed with a 2.6 but I cannot find anything called even remotely like "printer" under modules/2.6.foo. What would the correct name be for the module? |
| 21:28.04 | valdyn | tdonahue: cat file1 file2 > file |
| 21:28.19 | doub | tenchi21: isn't there boot floppy images on the cd you downloaded? |
| 21:28.37 | tenchi21 | doub: yes there is and they don't work |
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| 21:28.50 | doub | tenchi21: define "don't work" |
| 21:28.59 | furrywolf | grr! when I put in the old pci video card, I can boot a linux rescue cd, run memtest86 with no errors, etc. but if I put in any agp video card, or any other pci video card, the box won't POST. |
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| 21:29.06 | tdonahue | valdyn, thanks, i figured that was probably the answer, but just wanted to find out if there was a utility that was paired with split |
| 21:29.23 | vbo | Hi. Is there a way of specifying routes in /etc/network/interfaces or is there a special place for that / should i create my own init script? |
| 21:29.27 | Overand | furrywolf: try resetting your configuration crap in the bios in the plug+play section |
| 21:29.32 | MASoft | tenchi21, could u make bootdisk ? |
| 21:29.33 | tenchi21 | i get "loading linux... boot failed: please changed disks and press a key to continue |
| 21:29.38 | Overand | i don't mean 'restore cmos to defaults' |
| 21:29.46 | furrywolf | overand: I've done a complete bios clear (with the jumper) about 6 times. |
| 21:29.48 | tenchi21 | MASoft: no linux os installed yet |
| 21:29.49 | Overand | there's a specific thing for clearing out the plug and play device tables |
| 21:29.52 | shingouz | furrywolf: Check the bios for odd settings, AGP aperture and all. You may have to disable some integrated video too if you have such a thing, either in the bios or with a jumper |
| 21:30.03 | doub | tenchi21: you need to boot with the "boot" disk, then change at this prompt with the "rescue" disk |
| 21:30.05 | Overand | that *may not* get cleared with a normal cmos clearing |
| 21:30.20 | tenchi21 | making a windows bootdisk just incase i give up and go back to windows |
| 21:30.21 | valdyn | shingouz: usblp ? |
| 21:30.21 | shingouz | furrywolf: Uh.. you sure the AGP card is in working condition in the first place? |
| 21:30.29 | shingouz | valdyn: Lemmesee |
| 21:30.32 | MASoft | tenchi21, of course ! u must make it before ur install :D |
| 21:30.33 | slurpas_ | its kind of wierd.. throu putty in the console i can type åäö with one letters delay... but in the vi-editor i cant type åäö at all... |
| 21:30.35 | doub | tenchi21: huh sorry, didn't read carefully |
| 21:30.40 | furrywolf | the bios seems to have REMARKABLY few settings. either there's some way to get into an advanced mode or something, or it only gives you about 10 options. never seen one like it. |
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| 21:30.50 | doub | tenchi21: is your disk physical error-free? |
| 21:30.53 | furrywolf | shingouz: I've tried four agp video cards, three of which are known to work. |
| 21:30.58 | tenchi21 | doub: ok i'll type what i see |
| 21:30.59 | shingouz | valdyn: Thanks, now lets see if it works |
| 21:31.07 | tenchi21 | yes verified write |
| 21:31.14 | furrywolf | right now it's happily memtest86ing... |
| 21:31.21 | doub | tenchi21: are there ugly noises during bootup? |
| 21:31.30 | shingouz | furrywolf: Bigger hammer? ;) /me goes off to hack on the printer for a minute or two |
| 21:31.35 | tenchi21 | booted floppy says "press f1 for help, or enter to boot" |
| 21:31.36 | doub | tenchi21: there are several boot floppies for different hardware IIRC |
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| 21:31.49 | tenchi21 | doub: yes floppy sounds |
| 21:32.06 | furrywolf | not ready for the hammer yet... since it does seem to work with the old video card, I'll probably throw it into my pile of computers to be used for a renderfarm someday. |
| 21:32.12 | MASoft | tenchi21, do u have D-I CD ? |
| 21:32.19 | tenchi21 | d-i ? |
| 21:32.24 | furrywolf | !d-i |
| 21:32.25 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 21:32.38 | doub | MASoft: he's trying to install woody |
| 21:33.13 | MASoft | doub, Oh ! ok ... ! |
| 21:33.19 | furrywolf | O |
| 21:33.21 | furrywolf | grr |
| 21:33.35 | tenchi21 | i think it messed up that windows can use this cdrom 100% and linux seems to ignore it 100% |
| 21:33.38 | doub | tenchi21: btw, what do you want to install? dekstop or server? |
| 21:33.43 | tenchi21 | desktop |
| 21:33.56 | doub | tenchi21: then consider using sarge instead of woody |
| 21:34.05 | doub | tenchi21: much simpler install, much more up-to-date |
| 21:34.42 | tenchi21 | same cdrom? |
| 21:34.46 | furrywolf | I'm guessing the agp slot might be fried... got this system free. one day it stopped working, and further testing revealed the monitor to be bad. yet the video card that was in it is one it now doesn't like. wondering if the monitor didn't arc to the vga inputs or something and cause friedness... |
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| 21:35.14 | doub | tenchi21: no, you need to download an install cd or floppy |
| 21:35.23 | shingouz | valdyn: That did the trick, thanks. Now I can get me some food :) |
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| 21:35.34 | doub | tenchi21: you can always install woody and upgrade next, but that's maybe not worth the hassle |
| 21:35.36 | tenchi21 | ok so here goes cdr 7 used on debian today |
| 21:35.39 | at561 | does anyone know where to get gsdjvu for making .djvu files |
| 21:35.45 | doub | tenchi21: you don't need them all |
| 21:35.57 | mutek | furrywolf: Not all that likely that the monitor would damage a driving card - that would require some really serious electronic gymnastics... |
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| 21:36.04 | furrywolf | doesn't look like memtest86 is going to find any errors... time to fuck with bios settings. |
| 21:36.05 | tenchi21 | doub: no this will be the 7th time i've burn a cd1 of debian |
| 21:36.08 | doub | tenchi21: you can install with just 4 floppies if you have permanent internet connection |
| 21:36.21 | furrywolf | mutek: you have another theory as to why a monitor and an agp slot would simultaniously stop working? :) |
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| 21:36.28 | furrywolf | doubt the agp slot fried the monitor... |
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| 21:36.38 | mutek | furrywolf: possible that a bad card could kill a monitor, for sure - by driving the timebases beyond spec for a long period. |
| 21:36.51 | mutek | furrywolf: long enough to kill them - 200ms might be enough. |
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| 21:36.57 | ttb | g++ is broken... |
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| 21:37.18 | furrywolf | bad _agp slot_. doesn't work with any card. either gives long-short-short beep pattern or does absolutely nothing. |
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| 21:37.56 | slurpas_ | why cant my explorer read the åäö (swe-letters) from my linux-server, but the linux-server can? (i cant either use the åäö in putty) |
| 21:37.57 | MASoft | tenchi21, you can't boot from CD yet ? |
| 21:37.59 | mutek | furrywolf: even less likely that the monitor did it, then. |
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| 21:38.15 | furrywolf | mutek: agreed. but I'm running out of ideas. :) |
| 21:38.19 | shingouz | slurpas_: Explorer? As in Doze? |
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| 21:38.33 | doub | tenchi21: i agree it's not easy to know which way to go, as debian is on a long freeze state for quite 2 years now, and that gives you many contradicing ways to install it |
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| 21:38.43 | furrywolf | the system seems perfectly stable when using the old pci card, so it's not like anything major is toasted... |
| 21:38.44 | mutek | furrywolf: yeah - tricky. Can you hang a scope on the agp lines and send some known video to the agp output? |
| 21:38.56 | tenchi21 | no for the last time (please) this computer has no option in the bios for boot from cd. its only got floppy & hard disk |
| 21:38.56 | [LAC]Hydra | okay... hopefully a quick question, and excuse my ignorance, but I am trying to figure out which directory has the right file to make a CD-ROM for me, I cannot figure it out |
| 21:38.57 | furrywolf | not very easily. :) |
| 21:38.57 | doub | tenchi21: but choose the one you want, by carefully reading install manuals and the like, and stick with it |
| 21:39.01 | slurpas_ | shingouz, i trie to see my hp from a windows-comp.. but the åäö doesnt work either there or in putty throu thelinux-server |
| 21:39.06 | furrywolf | my scope only goes up to 60mhz anyway... |
| 21:39.09 | [LAC]Hydra | I know I need i386 |
| 21:39.14 | [LAC]Hydra | I know I want to get the iso |
| 21:39.28 | mutek | furrywolf: look at the high address lines - they'll toggle fairly slowly |
| 21:39.33 | [LAC]Hydra | but the ftp directories are confusing me even when I am looking at the readme |
| 21:39.41 | furrywolf | mutek: still not an easy project. :P |
| 21:39.42 | doub | tenchi21: you can find a boot disk which will allow you to boot from cd, on the woody cd1, IIRC |
| 21:39.43 | slurpas_ | (and yes, the win supports åäö.. when i am at the linux-keyboard like here, the åäö works, but they get fucked up when im remote) |
| 21:39.54 | mutek | furrywolf: you've *really* got to want to fix it :-) |
| 21:39.56 | MASoft | tenchi, insert ur First Debian cd ! go to install folder ! make a boot disk with rawrite2.exe and sbm.bin ! then boot from disket |
| 21:40.25 | shingouz | slurpas_: Check the codepages, they usually create some major problems with the ÅÄÖ and other gizmos. FWIW, I cannot see the scandinavian specials you send out either and my setup seems to run nicely with the occasional Doze-box |
| 21:40.28 | [LAC]Hydra | I am in http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ and uh, heh I do not know where to go from here |
| 21:40.40 | tenchi21 | ok lets try it this way. tell me which folder has a 100% working set of images |
| 21:40.45 | doub | tenchi21: that's sbm.bin as MASoft mentionned |
| 21:40.59 | tenchi21 | becuase every image from that disc doesn't work that i have tried |
| 21:41.10 | mutek | furrywolf: as motherboards aren't all that expensive, it might be eaiser to get a new one... |
| 21:41.20 | slurpas_ | shingouz, what did u say i should check? *im the real noob* |
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| 21:41.31 | doub | tenchi21: if that one doesn't work, consider checking your floppy drive/controller |
| 21:41.33 | tenchi21 | sbm.bin give me error 0x00 (iirc) when trying to boot my cd |
| 21:41.34 | shingouz | slurpas_: Can you read these OK, in alphabetical order upper case. Å Ä Ö |
| 21:41.43 | furrywolf | I can't find a clear escd data option in the bios... hell, I can't find ANYTHING other than the basic settings, boot order, etc. |
| 21:41.44 | MASoft | tenchi21, sbm.bin must works correctly ! |
| 21:42.00 | mutek | furrywolf: what kind of bios is it? |
| 21:42.04 | tenchi21 | doub: like i said windows installs fine. can't be an issue on hardware side |
| 21:42.12 | MASoft | tenchi21, how do u write it to disk ? with rawrite2.exe ? |
| 21:42.19 | furrywolf | Award, but with virtually no options |
| 21:42.23 | slurpas_ | ya, when i am BY the linux-computer the letters work perfectly.. its only if i connect throu my webserver or use putty from my windows-comp it doesnt work... |
| 21:42.24 | tenchi21 | rawritewin |
| 21:42.25 | mutek | furrywolf: is the bios b*ggered? perhaps someone's tried to flash it and broken it? |
| 21:42.39 | dfzi | ntrawrite for w2k/xp |
| 21:42.41 | mutek | furrywolf: might explain why the AGP port doesn't work? |
| 21:42.42 | MASoft | tenchi21, do u have msdos disk ? |
| 21:42.45 | furrywolf | mutek: at the same time the monitor let the magic smoke out? unlikely... |
| 21:42.50 | shingouz | slurpas_: So you're on Windows now? |
| 21:43.05 | furrywolf | I'm wondering if it isn't more likely the previous owner fucked it up trying to fix it... |
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| 21:43.18 | tenchi21 | MASoft: a windows 98 startup disk yes. and i can fully install windows on the pc with no problems |
| 21:43.27 | slurpas_ | nope.. im by linux now.. the linux comp supports ÅÄÖ and the win does.. but when i remoteconnect from win to linux.. i cant use ÅÄÖ |
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| 21:43.31 | [LAC]Hydra | eh, if anyone can help me with a quick question about the releases, I cannot figure out which one I need to go to... I just want the "standard" install .iso |
| 21:43.34 | valdyn | [LAC]Hydra: why dont you try www.debian.org ? |
| 21:43.38 | [LAC]Hydra | I am at http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 21:43.40 | mutek | furrywolf: Ahh- possible, yes. An award bios should have a lot of options though on something new enough to have an AGP port |
| 21:43.44 | doub | tenchi21: is your cdrom drive ATAPI compliant? |
| 21:43.48 | valdyn | !tell [LAC]Hydra about repeat |
| 21:44.01 | MASoft | tenchi21, start your computer with ur startup disk (with CD support) then use /install/boot.bat ! may it works ! |
| 21:44.05 | slurpas_ | either if i connect with putty or just trie to check my homepage from windows to linux.. (i have webhotel on the linux) |
| 21:44.08 | [LAC]Hydra | sorry thought it was lost in the spam my bad |
| 21:44.15 | shingouz | slurpas_: I hear you but I did ask you can you read the specials (uppercase, aphabetical order) right now? Å Ä Ö |
| 21:44.17 | tenchi21 | doub yes |
| 21:44.23 | mutek | furrywolf: have you tried with a PCI VGA card? |
| 21:44.24 | benjim | night all |
| 21:44.24 | [LAC]Hydra | I was trying to condense it into one line =/ |
| 21:44.31 | slurpas_ | yes, i can read them here.. |
| 21:44.35 | slurpas_ | on the linux-comp |
| 21:44.44 | furrywolf | mutek: it's a 1.5ghz p4 Sony Vaio... I can only imagine sony uses a broken-by-design bios. |
| 21:44.45 | slurpas_ | ÅÄÖ |
| 21:44.47 | mutek | furrywolf: 'course, if you can't select it in the bios... |
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| 21:44.51 | furrywolf | it works fine with a pci vga card |
| 21:44.52 | valdyn | [LAC]Hydra: http://www.debian.org/ has a link like "CD Images" |
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| 21:45.15 | furrywolf | won't work with any agp card |
| 21:45.19 | shingouz | slurpas_: OK. What you send out is total garbage though, you need to check what you use as the locales. dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 21:45.25 | furrywolf | and only works with one of my pci vga cards. :) |
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| 21:45.32 | slurpas_ | oki |
| 21:45.38 | shingouz | slurpas_: I have noticed that the non-UTF seems to work best with windows |
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| 21:45.47 | slurpas_ | okis =) |
| 21:46.04 | shingouz | slurpas_: Matdags, will be back in a few |
| 21:46.30 | [LAC]Hydra | okay, well lets say that I am a _total_ idiot, am I going to find a url for jigdo to the specific release I need, or am I going to have to continue browsing the ftp trying to find which one I need? |
| 21:47.00 | valdyn | [LAC]Hydra: eh? |
| 21:47.03 | mutek | furrywolf: I'd need to read up on how the AGP port really works at this point... |
| 21:47.16 | valdyn | [LAC]Hydra: just download a complete easy from a mirror near you |
| 21:47.22 | furrywolf | and I don't have enough money to go buy a new motherboard... heh |
| 21:47.22 | valdyn | [LAC]Hydra: just download a complete ISO from a mirror near you |
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| 21:47.51 | furrywolf | I've inspected the board for physical damage; doesn't look like anyone's knocked any parts off. (which I've seen sadly often) |
| 21:47.57 | slurpas_ | shingouz, will trie the dkgp-reconf now.. brb =) |
| 21:47.58 | [LAC]Hydra | right... okay well I will just got back to square one and try again |
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| 21:48.20 | MASoft | valdyn, You speak very easy about downloading !!!!! how much is the internet expense there ? |
| 21:48.23 | lilwade | does anyone have any experience in dvd+rw-tools on k3b ??? |
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| 21:48.43 | mikeX | lilwade, get to the point : ) |
| 21:48.51 | valdyn | MASoft: for who? |
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| 21:49.22 | lilwade | well i was wandering if anyone can help me out with it so that i can burn dvd's on k3b basically ive googled for it for 2 days and i havent really found any help |
| 21:49.34 | MASoft | valdyn, for a student ! (for example) |
| 21:49.40 | mutek | furrywolf: open-circuit pull-up resistors, leaky power supply electrolytics can both cause these kinds of problems. |
| 21:50.00 | [LAC]Hydra | lol bandwidth is not an issue for a lot of people these days |
| 21:50.01 | b0ef | anyone had any experience with the 30" apple display?. I'd like to run it with a radeon 9250 gpu in 1920x1200. |
| 21:50.04 | valdyn | MASoft: if i was a student i probably had access by universityr, so like 100mbit, unfortunately i am not ) |
| 21:50.08 | mikeX | lilwade, well what's the problem? have you installed it yet? |
| 21:50.11 | [LAC]Hydra | if you are fortunate enough to have broadband |
| 21:50.16 | [LAC]Hydra | =) |
| 21:50.32 | furrywolf | all the power-supply electrolytics are Rubycon with the exception of two no-brands, which I went ahead and replaced with Nichicons for the heck of it, with no change. :) |
| 21:50.33 | lilwade | ya theyare both installed but k3b doesnt notice that dvd+rw-tools is ther e |
| 21:50.39 | MASoft | [LAC]Hydra, it's for me !!! I can just download 2G per month :(( |
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| 21:50.43 | mutek | furrywolf: really big 'n' complicated chips usually don't fail. Damaged tracks might to it, but you'd need a scope and a baby-gram to toggle address lines to start finding these things... |
| 21:50.43 | Overand | MASoft: in many places, internet access doesn't cost anything per kilobyte, and is just a flat fee |
| 21:50.52 | Overand | MASoft: if you want to use debian, set up a debian-proxy machine |
| 21:50.58 | Overand | that way you don't need to download packages more than once |
| 21:51.06 | mutek | furrywolf: I guess you've check the DC power levels on the AGP port? |
| 21:51.18 | furrywolf | nope. I don't know crap about AGP. :) |
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| 21:51.32 | mutek | furrywolf: ahh... yeah - it's that 'read up on AGP' moment... |
| 21:51.37 | [LAC]Hydra | oh that is why, I can download as much as I want, as long as I download fast enough... |
| 21:51.46 | furrywolf | I know they have really ugly dual-level contacts that make using a meter probe impossible. that much I know. |
| 21:52.08 | mutek | furrywolf: you'd need to measure from the track-side of the motherboard. |
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| 21:52.18 | MASoft | [LAC]Hydra, also, I'm paying about 80$ per month ! |
| 21:52.34 | Overand | i don't even want to think about recapping a board. most mobos are what, 4 layer? |
| 21:52.35 | furrywolf | I hate working on motherboards... |
| 21:52.37 | mutek | furrywolf: or, why don't you just use a PCI VGA card? |
| 21:52.48 | [LAC]Hydra | heh where do you live MASoft |
| 21:52.49 | MASoft | [LAC]Hydra, for a 512Kbps ;) |
| 21:52.59 | MASoft | [LAC]Hydra, Dubai, UAE |
| 21:53.07 | furrywolf | overand: recapping isn't too hard once you get the hang of it... I've got a nice pile of buldging caps in the garage from boards I've recapped. :) |
| 21:53.08 | mikeX | lilwade, that's weird, how did you install them? did you try running k3b as root? |
| 21:53.13 | Overand | United Arab Emirates |
| 21:53.17 | [LAC]Hydra | my geography skills fail entirely, what continent is that |
| 21:53.18 | Overand | furrywolf: what do you use for a solder sucker? |
| 21:53.28 | furrywolf | mutek: because the only one that works is my oldest and crappiest one. |
| 21:53.37 | furrywolf | overand: a sylvania desoldering station. |
| 21:53.38 | mutek | furrywolf: ah, okay. |
| 21:53.39 | Overand | i've got a weller wtcpt solder station, that'd be good for liquifying, and for re-soldering, but the solder-sucking is always a little tricky |
| 21:53.42 | Overand | ah |
| 21:53.43 | lilwade | i could try that i used apt-get install K3B |
| 21:53.45 | Overand | nice |
| 21:53.53 | lilwade | and Xandros networks to install dvd+rw-tools |
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| 21:53.58 | furrywolf | it's a total piece of crap that breaks in some inventive way every couple boards... |
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| 21:54.12 | mutek | Overand: you can snip legs and solder to the ends... |
| 21:54.14 | Overand | well then, i withdraw my 'ahh, nice' |
| 21:54.15 | valdyn | MASoft: thats quite expensive compared to europe.. |
| 21:54.20 | [LAC]Hydra | also, I pay probably 150$ a month for this connection, 3.0mbit dsl (and they do not limit how much you DL) which is what I am used to, it has been a while since I had a metered bandwidth connection |
| 21:54.28 | tenchi21 | doub: check here please http://www.toonwizard.cjb.net/1/sbm01.jpg & http://www.toonwizard.cjb.net/1/sbm02.jpg |
| 21:54.38 | Overand | snipping legs is nearly impossible, those caps are usually flush with the board |
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| 21:54.57 | mool | Where can I find the wget-ssl package? It doesn't seem to be in my updated source list. |
| 21:54.58 | MASoft | valdyn, very expensive ! also size limit is another big problem !!! |
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| 21:55.06 | tenchi21 | pictures of the sbm screens |
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| 21:55.13 | furrywolf | its current failure is the nozzle keeps clogging and making me have to ream it out with my drill. before that the filter died and it sucked a pound of lead dust into the compressor, requiring a bit of a rebuild... |
| 21:55.15 | mutek | Overand: there's usually some leg inside the cap. |
| 21:55.17 | MASoft | valdyn, where do u live ? |
| 21:55.23 | Overand | mutek: yank? |
| 21:55.27 | valdyn | MASoft: germany |
| 21:55.39 | tenchi21 | taken with my digicam (pc screen + cam = crappy picture quality) |
| 21:55.39 | mutek | Overand: ? |
| 21:55.46 | mikeX | lilwade, xandros networks? what's that? and why not via apt-get install ? |
| 21:55.48 | Overand | i mean, you'd just yank the cap off? |
| 21:56.04 | mutek | Overand: ah- I see - no, creative crunching... |
| 21:56.07 | MASoft | valdyn, I really like come to Germany for study !!! it seems the Universities in Germany are Free ! |
| 21:56.14 | Overand | eww |
| 21:56.24 | lilwade | Xandros networks is a Xandros apt-get GUI |
| 21:56.25 | furrywolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010002-small-a.jpg <== one of my recent recaps... http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010001-medium.jpg <== the whole board |
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| 21:56.32 | mutek | Overand: or you suck & resolder multi-layer boards - take your pick :-) |
| 21:56.33 | valdyn | MASoft: nearly free, yes |
| 21:56.36 | mikeX | lilwade, oh i see, sorry |
| 21:56.39 | [LAC]Hydra | why do you use so many exlaimation marks MASoft? |
| 21:56.40 | lilwade | its ok |
| 21:56.42 | Overand | yeah i dunnowhat'd be worse |
| 21:56.49 | Overand | i've got like |
| 21:56.51 | furrywolf | I suck and resolder multi-layer boards. :P |
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| 21:56.54 | lilwade | sometimes Xandros Networkshas the stuff that apt-get cant get |
| 21:56.56 | Overand | ONE bulging cap on ONE board |
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| 21:57.07 | furrywolf | overand: the board in the photos I just pasted... 22 bad caps. |
| 21:57.22 | furrywolf | replaced with 22 shiny Nichicons. :) |
| 21:57.26 | mutek | furrywolf: 22 - dat's bad... |
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| 21:57.45 | MASoft | [LAC]Hydra, exlaimation ?!?! |
| 21:57.54 | Overand | yeahi've got an MP board i should check out |
| 21:57.58 | furrywolf | you don't just replace the few that are buldging/leaking... that works for about a week until others die. have to replace all of them for a permanent fix. |
| 21:58.05 | [LAC]Hydra | rofl I mean the "!" |
| 21:58.10 | mutek | furrywolf: oh - I know... |
| 21:58.18 | valdyn | !punctuation |
| 21:58.40 | mtnman | furrywold: i learned that lesson with my first car. i replaced one headlight, and week later had to replace the other one. |
| 21:58.45 | MASoft | [LAC]Hydra, it makes easier to read for persons I speak with ! |
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| 21:59.07 | furrywolf | heh. I had to replace all four headlights on mine last year... someone kicked up some gravel, took all of them out. |
| 21:59.13 | lilwade | hey mikeX have you ran Enlightenment on Debian ??? |
| 21:59.22 | tenchi21 | f**k it i give up on linux, ill stick with windows it seems to be better anyway |
| 21:59.23 | mikeX | lilwade, yes |
| 21:59.39 | furrywolf | I think I'm just going to declare the motherboard toasted. |
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| 21:59.53 | lilwade | im having a problem of figurin out how im supposed to run KDE 3.3 and Enlightenment wheneve ri feel like loggin on the other one |
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| 22:00.04 | lilwade | i have no clue how to access enlightenment then go back to kde when i log off |
| 22:00.05 | mutek | furrywolf: it does sound bad... |
| 22:00.05 | mtnman | furrywolf: i got ibm to replace a board w/leaky capacitors. it was even out of warrantee. |
| 22:00.06 | ninereeds | when i chrooted to /dev/hda6 and mounted /proc, i tried to do grub-install /dev/hda -- it tells me i don't have access rights for /dev/null -- how can i fix that? |
| 22:00.31 | furrywolf | put it in the scrap pile. maybe I'll try figuring out what the hell is wrong with it someday, or maybe I'll desolder the shiny Rubycons next time I go to do a recap and realize I forgot to order more caps. :) |
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| 22:00.49 | MASoft | tenchi21 !!! it's better to use SuSE or like it ! those are a better choice for u ! |
| 22:00.49 | doub | ninereeds: seems like you're running knoppix or some derivative |
| 22:00.53 | ninereeds | the strange thing is this: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2005-03-20 12:14 /dev/null |
| 22:00.55 | mikeX | lilwade, well me neither : ) I just gave it a glance, didn't use it much, and started it vi .xsession and startx |
| 22:01.01 | furrywolf | mtnman: question is, did the new board have the same insta-explode caps the old one did? :) |
| 22:01.14 | lilwade | ya |
| 22:01.15 | ninereeds | doub, indeed, i used knoppix to boot as my boot sector is dead |
| 22:01.21 | doub | ninereeds: you need to mount your root with the 'dev' option, because knoppix uses nodev by default |
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| 22:01.29 | lilwade | i just dont know how to get to like whatever run level i need to get to |
| 22:01.31 | lilwade | to start it up |
| 22:01.37 | MASoft | valdyn, do u have any information about study in Germany ? I have a very good background ! |
| 22:01.37 | mtnman | furrywolf: no, it was a refurb. they collected the old one. i think they just replaced capacitors and sent 'em back out. |
| 22:01.42 | lilwade | where i can either type in KDM or Enlightenment |
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| 22:01.50 | ninereeds | doub, so just mount -o dev /dev/foo1 /mnt ? |
| 22:01.53 | doub | ninereeds: ie, get out of chroot, 'mount -o remount,dev <mount point>' |
| 22:01.53 | furrywolf | mtnman: no, I mean, were the new ones the same brand? |
| 22:01.59 | karsten | lilwade: grep default /etc/inittab |
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| 22:02.06 | furrywolf | replacing crap caps with more crap caps is a temporary fix. :) |
| 22:02.13 | doub | ninereeds: should work too, if you umount first |
| 22:02.25 | mtnman | furrywolf: doubt it. but the thing is a few years ago, a bunch of substandard capacitors flooded the asian market. |
| 22:02.37 | ninereeds | doub, i remounted, it seems to work :) |
| 22:02.43 | lilwade | id:2:initdefault: |
| 22:02.46 | lilwade | thats my default |
| 22:02.47 | furrywolf | mtnman: you don't need to tell me about it... I've seen more than a few substandard caps... heh |
| 22:02.54 | ninereeds | hmm |
| 22:02.55 | furrywolf | I have a pile of 100 or so in the garage. :) |
| 22:03.06 | lilwade | mandrake started at runlevel 5 |
| 22:03.11 | ninereeds | doub, now it tells me The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 22:03.13 | doub | ninereeds: btw, you can use the d-i cd as a rescue, you won't have this problem (but others instead ;) ) |
| 22:03.23 | mtnman | furrywolf: well, ibm was pretty good about it. i called them in the late afternoon, and had a new board in hand by lunchtime the next day. |
| 22:03.26 | doub | ninereeds: is /boot on a separate partition? |
| 22:03.34 | ninereeds | doub, nope |
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| 22:03.39 | oladola | hello |
| 22:04.00 | doub | ninereeds: is the file there? |
| 22:04.03 | [LAC]Hydra | heh just a quick question, for a basic debian install can you just use the first cd, or do you need all 7? |
| 22:04.10 | ninereeds | doub, yes, as is stage2 |
| 22:04.14 | furrywolf | mtnman: that's definitely good... most people I've spoken to first were told my tech support that there was no problem, then only after arguing/supervisors/etc did they finally convince someone to fix it, and they both had to pay shipping and wait a month... |
| 22:04.16 | mtnman | furrywolf: the guy who gave me the non-working box was pissed that i got machine fixed. he tried for a while and was unable. |
| 22:04.27 | lilwade | i didnt know there was 7 cd's for Debian LOL |
| 22:04.35 | lilwade | Xandros only cames with one |
| 22:04.37 | [LAC]Hydra | seven .isos |
| 22:04.44 | ninereeds | lilwade, you only need the netinstall image |
| 22:04.50 | [LAC]Hydra | I _think_ |
| 22:04.51 | zinx | lilwade: 7? for what, like potato or something? |
| 22:05.02 | lilwade | ahhh ok |
| 22:05.04 | mtnman | furrywolf: i told the tech that i had a board with bulging/leaky capacitors, and she knew about the problem. |
| 22:05.08 | furrywolf | aren't we at 14 cds now or something? |
| 22:05.08 | ninereeds | lilwade, also, you should install testing, not stable |
| 22:05.12 | zinx | lilwade: there's nearly twice as many, if not twice as many, now |
| 22:05.18 | zinx | furrywolf: aye |
| 22:05.19 | ninereeds | fugit, sounds more like it, yes |
| 22:05.23 | doub | ninereeds: what does ls -l /boot/grub/stage1 say? |
| 22:05.26 | lilwade | well i got Xandros its a Debian based OS |
| 22:05.37 | ninereeds | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 512 2005-05-05 00:02 /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 22:05.46 | ninereeds | !debian based |
| 22:05.46 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 22:05.47 | karsten | lilwade: Debian's default is 2. Debian doesn't launch X out of /etc/inittab, but from /etc/init.d/[gkwx]dm |
| 22:05.56 | lilwade | so i got the best of both worlds i can get Xandros files, Debian's, and RPM's on here |
| 22:05.56 | [LAC]Hydra | well what does "NONUS" stand for in the "woody-i386-1 NONUS.jigdo"? |
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| 22:06.02 | doub | ninereeds: that's stange |
| 22:06.09 | ninereeds | doub, i agree |
| 22:06.10 | zinx | [LAC]Hydra: NON US |
| 22:06.32 | [LAC]Hydra | heh seems obvious now, strung together did not quite click |
| 22:06.33 | doub | ninereeds: what you can try is : mount -a (to mount all partitions) and then 'apt-get --reinstall install grub' |
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| 22:07.02 | furrywolf | yeah, just going to declare it toasted. trying to troubleshoot the board at this point seems beyond what the board is worth. :) |
| 22:07.09 | doub | ninereeds: that's a quick and dirty solution, cos i don't really know the reason for your problem |
| 22:07.12 | lilwade | the only thing that isnt so great about Xandros its one of the only pay versions of a debian ther eis |
| 22:07.23 | ninereeds | doub, i am trying it as we speak |
| 22:07.43 | ninereeds | doub, seems to have worked. i will reboot and let you know either way :) |
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| 22:08.18 | lilwade | ya i just wanna figure out how to run enlightenment on debian before i get this laptop and install Debian on there |
| 22:08.49 | stew | !d-i lilwade |
| 22:08.49 | lilwade | i wanna dual boot the mac mini im gonna buy and the ibook im gonna buy with Debian and Tiger OS |
| 22:08.50 | dpkg | lilwade, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:08.57 | karsten | lilwade: Debian contains ~6k packages in stable, ~17.5k in unstable. There's a lot of stuff. |
| 22:09.17 | lilwade | ya karsten, i use every debian file i get :D |
| 22:09.33 | lilwade | i have my Xandros networks set up for Nothing but debian files and nothing else |
| 22:09.33 | YouCeyE | hello.. if i want to upgrade alsa (which is built within kernel).. can i build it as a module by getting sources? |
| 22:09.45 | YouCeyE | using make-kpkg modules_image? |
| 22:09.47 | lilwade | thats how i got Enlightenment :D |
| 22:09.56 | lilwade | apt-get install enlightenment |
| 22:10.19 | jme | ... |
| 22:10.21 | lilwade | ive even used some of the experimentals..... and ones that arent supported in the USA |
| 22:11.23 | lilwade | does Debian 3 install on a mac pretty well for dual booting ?? |
| 22:11.38 | cafuego | lilwade: No. |
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| 22:11.43 | cafuego | lilwade: 3.1 does, though. |
| 22:11.48 | lilwade | oh ok |
| 22:11.54 | furrywolf | debian on a mac = never-ending IQ test, from what I've heard. :) |
| 22:11.55 | lilwade | so debian 3.1 is the newest ? |
| 22:12.10 | cafuego | lilwade: Yes, it's due to be released this month. |
| 22:12.19 | oladola | I need to configure 1 pc which is on the outside of my LAN and needs to use my squid to access to internet |
| 22:12.24 | lilwade | awesome well i plan on gettin the mac before the end of next month |
| 22:12.26 | cafuego | furrywolf: No, it's no harder then a PC install. |
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| 22:12.36 | ninereeds | doub, grub error 17 |
| 22:12.40 | cafuego | lilwade: The install ISOs thate xist now work fine. |
| 22:12.56 | lilwade | i like every Debian like OS there is so thats why i was wanderin if it worked |
| 22:13.01 | ninereeds | doub, i will try to grub.install it from chroot again. i only reinstalled it last time |
| 22:13.13 | lilwade | mandrake and Fedora core never did it for me LOL |
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| 22:16.51 | ninereeds | doub, now it says it can't read stage 1.. |
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| 22:19.33 | lilwade | but ya ive been trying to figure out how to run enlightenment and not very many people seem to know |
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| 22:20.07 | thingfish | enlightenment just doesn't have the install base it once had. |
| 22:21.08 | lilwade | oh its already installed LOL |
| 22:21.19 | lilwade | i just need to know how to run it |
| 22:21.24 | lilwade | and switch back to KDE |
| 22:21.26 | lilwade | when i need too |
| 22:21.42 | stew | lilwade: wrong channel, ask in #xandros |
| 22:22.07 | lilwade | well Xandros is still built on Debian |
| 22:22.19 | stew | that's nice |
| 22:22.24 | thingfish | sigh |
| 22:22.25 | lilwade | and theres only one person in the Xandros room thats active and he has no clue about it |
| 22:22.33 | stew | !they don't know |
| 22:22.33 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 22:22.44 | stew | or try a mailing list |
| 22:22.45 | phogg | lilwade: add exec enlightenment to your .xsession or wherever |
| 22:22.57 | lilwade | if i knew how to do that phogg i would |
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| 22:23.37 | lilwade | i asked a question DPKG if you dont like ignore me |
| 22:23.37 | phogg | lilwade: use a text editor and open ~/.xsession, or it might be ~/.xinitrc |
| 22:24.16 | lilwade | you mean emacs ??? |
| 22:24.20 | lilwade | or somethin like that ? |
| 22:24.35 | dondelelcaro | any text editor will do. |
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| 22:24.57 | dondelelcaro | ah... dpkg is once again demonstrating the turing test... |
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| 22:25.43 | phogg | I love you, dpkg |
| 22:25.54 | ninereeds | dondelelcaro, earlier, dpkg choked on find foo |
| 22:26.01 | dondelelcaro | ninereeds: when? |
| 22:26.05 | phogg | dondelelcaro: he isn't there yet |
| 22:26.09 | ninereeds | dondelelcaro, it just said updating over and over again |
| 22:26.20 | ninereeds | dondelelcaro, about two hours ago? |
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| 22:26.53 | caphuso | the turing test isn't well defined. it's based on the wrong assumption that people in general are inteligent enough to be able to differentiate between KIs and humans |
| 22:26.58 | cypenguin | hi. |
| 22:27.12 | ninereeds | need to reboot. laters |
| 22:27.25 | cypenguin | anybody can help me with awk? i want to print a range of fields. |
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| 22:30.26 | dondelelcaro | !+find foo |
| 22:30.28 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'foo' (15 of 16): bygfoot ;; foo2zjs ;; foobillard ;; fookb-plainx ;; fookb-wmaker ;; foomatic-bin ;; foomatic-db ;; foomatic-db-engine ;; foomatic-db-gimp-print ;; foomatic-db-hpijs ;; foomatic-filters ;; foomatic-filters-ppds ;; foomatic-gui ;; libroxen-footnote ;; mc-foo. |
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| 22:35.20 | pardini | Hello everyone, quick question. |
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| 22:35.44 | pardini | I use uw-imapd, but wanna play/test courier-imap. |
| 22:36.04 | pardini | Is there a way I can install courier-imap without removing uw-imapd? |
| 22:36.35 | cafuego | I'm pretty sure courier only uses MAILDIR mail, so you may need to convert all mailboxes |
| 22:36.38 | gravity | pardini: You could do a chroot install maybe |
| 22:37.03 | pardini | I've no problem with mbox/maildir, since that is what I wanna experiment with. |
| 22:37.16 | pardini | Is there a way I can tell apt to 'ignore' the Conflicts: line? |
| 22:37.38 | gravity | pardini: Maybe with equivs |
| 22:37.42 | cafuego | pardini: Maybe using dpkg --ignore-conflicts |
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| 22:38.09 | pardini | I see. Thanks for those tips |
| 22:38.18 | caphuso | i don't think any of those will work |
| 22:38.26 | pardini | I can't see how equivs will work though |
| 22:38.47 | cafuego | You can always build a custom package without COnflicts: line |
| 22:39.42 | gravity | Yeah, I doubt it with equivs, but it was an idea |
| 22:39.58 | gravity | The custom package is another option as well, and probably safest |
| 22:39.58 | pardini | I see now. Makes no sense ignoring that Conflicts line, since both packages contain /usr/sbin/imapd. |
| 22:39.59 | caphuso | go the chroot root. easiest way, least dangerous |
| 22:40.07 | caphuso | s/ root/ way |
| 22:40.12 | gravity | Safest aside from chroot |
| 22:40.19 | caphuso | pardini: yeah, there's a reason for Conflicts: |
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| 22:40.48 | pardini | I thought I would be able to just run both imapds on different ports. |
| 22:41.00 | cafuego | I dunno about u-w, but the /usr/sbin/imapd in courier is just a symlink to the init script. |
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| 22:41.33 | regiro | ciao |
| 22:42.14 | pardini | I'm trying this since uw-imap is giving me huge loads |
| 22:42.20 | stew | ugh, just had to try to convince someone not to ditch linux only becuase it doens't have a graphical installer |
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| 22:42.44 | stew | later in the conversation he was suprised when i told him hthat debian did in fact have web browsers available |
| 22:42.45 | cafuego | stew: No big loss for linux-kind |
| 22:43.06 | stew | well, i'm waiting for him to install a server for me |
| 22:43.20 | nomed^ | i'm still trying to set up a remote cvs server i receive this error: PAM start error: Critical error - immediate abort... what can it be? |
| 22:43.28 | cafuego | A WinXP MCE server? |
| 22:43.28 | stew | i'm guessing i'm going to end up doing it myself, tomorrow when he fails tonight |
| 22:44.07 | stew | this is for a new client of ours, this guy is their, "network guy that knows linux" |
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| 22:44.25 | stew | where aparantly knows == has heard of |
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| 22:44.33 | peppo | asking questions about marillat packages here, is this out of line? |
| 22:45.00 | pardini | well everyone thanks a lot, cafuego, caphuso, gravity... |
| 22:45.08 | cafuego | stew: Just make SURE you have remote ssh access |
| 22:45.26 | stew | cafuego: yeah, i will |
| 22:45.27 | cafuego | stew: and lock the box down with SELinux before you give him the root pw ;-) |
| 22:45.32 | nomed^ | i can't figure out how paserver works .. passwd readers writer files seems ok .. but if i try to access i receive that PAM error.. |
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| 22:47.32 | peppo | anyhow, I'll shoot. libavcodec.so.0.4.8, a marillat package, is giving my "undefined symbol: faacDecOpen"... it's linked to libfaad.so.0. |
| 22:47.42 | peppo | (this affects xvidcap and gvidcap which use libavcodec) |
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| 22:52.56 | nse | hello everybody: which IRC client for GNOME? |
| 22:53.08 | trc | xchat |
| 22:53.23 | trc | chatzilla |
| 22:53.28 | chilly | xchat |
| 22:53.31 | Teemu_K | irssi |
| 22:53.38 | cafuego | irssi |
| 22:53.41 | Phated | irssi |
| 22:53.48 | trc | bitch X |
| 22:53.49 | cafuego | Run in any terminal, even gnome-terminal |
| 22:53.53 | cafuego | trc: go away |
| 22:54.05 | Phated | Hahah. |
| 22:54.07 | trc | no, bitchx is another one |
| 22:54.13 | chilly | run babe run |
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| 22:54.22 | cafuego | trc: bitchx isn't an irc client, it's an abomination unto humandkind |
| 22:54.29 | trc | hmm |
| 22:54.30 | Phated | Hear hear. |
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| 22:54.34 | karsten | nse: irssi |
| 22:54.36 | trc | all bitches are the same |
| 22:54.53 | chilly | too true |
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| 22:55.10 | Phated | Yes, they all suck. |
| 22:55.16 | gravity | netcat |
| 22:55.26 | chilly | mnnn but!!! |
| 22:55.29 | cafuego | But not all swallow. |
| 22:55.34 | Phated | Indeed. |
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| 22:55.46 | chilly | nice one |
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| 22:56.01 | karsten | cafuego: Now if we could only get someone to teach them how.... |
| 22:56.10 | PerfDave | irssi |
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| 22:56.20 | chilly | i am willing |
| 22:56.24 | nse | irssi ? |
| 22:56.26 | cafuego | karsten: This is where yoghurt comes in... |
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| 22:56.39 | karsten | cafuego: comes in _where_ ? |
| 22:56.40 | Phated | Oh, great, I'm never eating yoghurt again. |
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| 22:56.57 | chilly | cottage chease |
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| 22:56.59 | nse | what about xchat? |
| 22:57.02 | karsten | cafuego: Custard's just _so_ much more appropriate, somehow. |
| 22:57.09 | Phated | Screw xchat. |
| 22:57.11 | karsten | chilly: Only if you've got something. |
| 22:57.16 | karsten | Phated: No, suck it. |
| 22:57.27 | Phated | karsten: Hell no. |
| 22:57.52 | karsten | Phated: response truncated ;-) |
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| 22:58.11 | Phated | karsten: *narrows eyes* |
| 22:58.23 | karsten | Phated: ...what else is narrowing? |
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| 22:58.35 | chilly | hey karsten,whats that suposeded to mean? |
| 22:58.39 | Phated | karsten: Any possibility of you being laid. |
| 22:58.46 | karsten | chilly: It's a test of sick minds. |
| 22:58.47 | Phated | karsten: Ever. |
| 22:58.51 | karsten | Phated: None. Even the cat died. |
| 22:58.53 | Patrick` | what will testing be called once sarge becomes stable? |
| 22:58.58 | thingfish | good one, Phated! |
| 22:59.01 | Phated | karsten: Good lord! |
| 22:59.02 | gravity | Patrick`: etch |
| 22:59.02 | bluebell | Patrick`: tsk |
| 22:59.06 | Phated | thingfish: Thankyou. |
| 22:59.15 | chilly | well i'm sikcer than most |
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| 22:59.33 | Phated | Oh, indeed? |
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| 22:59.48 | trc_ghost | yeap, irssi is good |
| 22:59.48 | chilly | indeed |
| 22:59.49 | karsten | chilly: I think this channel's full of 'em, time to requisition an extra large gutter. |
| 22:59.53 | rue_mohr | should I ask for grub related help here? |
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| 23:00.16 | chilly | i dont think so |
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| 23:00.20 | rue_mohr | I moved my drive from secondary master to primary master, I need help reconfiguring grub |
| 23:00.25 | karsten | rue_mohr: Ask. |
| 23:00.25 | rue_mohr | (though I managed to boot) |
| 23:00.32 | rue_mohr | I cant understand the grub man pages |
| 23:00.42 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.43 | karsten | rue_mohr: GRUB manpages are unfortunately insufficient. |
| 23:00.47 | rue_mohr | dodn't help me |
| 23:00.57 | abrotman | karsten: that doesn't say it quite well enough |
| 23:01.06 | karsten | rue_mohr: 'grub-install; less /boot/grub/menu.list' |
| 23:01.21 | rue_mohr | so, how do I tell grub to resetup with the drive being primary master... ok, brb |
| 23:01.22 | Patrick` | gravity: really? |
| 23:01.30 | karsten | rue_mohr: info grub for more. pinfo if you can't hack info (I can't). |
| 23:01.32 | chilly | grub i go for startrek meself |
| 23:01.39 | gravity | Patrick`: Really |
| 23:01.40 | rue_mohr | I did, its pretty useless |
| 23:01.42 | Patrick` | huh. |
| 23:01.43 | karsten | Phated: Thank you for playing. |
| 23:01.53 | Phated | karsten: With what? |
| 23:01.59 | abrotman | rue_mohr: update-grub didn't work ? |
| 23:02.00 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.00 | rue_mohr | install_device not specified. |
| 23:02.00 | rue_mohr | Usage: grub-install [OPTION] instal... |
| 23:02.03 | cafuego | Phated: Yoghurt |
| 23:02.04 | karsten | Phated: And for having an active imagination. |
| 23:02.07 | rue_mohr | ahhh, just a sec.. |
| 23:02.18 | rue_mohr | I thik that was it! |
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| 23:02.25 | karsten | rue_mohr: IIRC 'grub-install /dev/<device>' |
| 23:02.27 | chilly | sorry if i butted in |
| 23:02.27 | Phated | karsten: An imagination is a wonderful thing to waste on #debian. :) |
| 23:02.32 | Phated | cafuego: :P |
| 23:02.33 | rue_mohr | Karnaugh, nope |
| 23:02.36 | karsten | rue_mohr: ...so in your case, /dev/hda. |
| 23:02.45 | rue_mohr | nope, didn't work |
| 23:02.48 | abrotman | karsten: you mean (hd0,0) ? |
| 23:02.50 | abrotman | etc ? |
| 23:02.51 | rue_mohr | update-grub worked I think |
| 23:02.55 | karsten | Phated: ...or undersexed guys. |
| 23:02.57 | abrotman | ah |
| 23:03.08 | karsten | abrotman: As I said, IIRC. Thanks. |
| 23:03.08 | rue_mohr | karsten, thats part of the misunderstanding, what to use for "device" |
| 23:03.10 | nse | I can't believe that I just discovererd GNOME after 3 months using linux, KDE is for GNOME as windows is for linux: do anybody agree with me? |
| 23:03.11 | karsten | rue_mohr: ^^ |
| 23:03.18 | Phated | karsten: I did say #debian, didn't I? ;) |
| 23:03.24 | karsten | rue_mohr: Grub's got its own nomenclature. |
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| 23:03.33 | abrotman | karsten: (hd0,0) is notation for the menu.lsr |
| 23:03.34 | karsten | Phated: Once again, you've proven me redundant. |
| 23:03.35 | abrotman | err lst |
| 23:03.44 | Phated | karsten: Poor thing. |
| 23:03.46 | rue_mohr | anyhow I'm going to go reboot, if I dont come back, it either worked or it didn't |
| 23:03.49 | abrotman | rue_mohr: /dev/hda |
| 23:03.50 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 23:03.56 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.57 | rue_mohr | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub . |
| 23:04.01 | chilly | i'm a nice fella |
| 23:04.03 | abrotman | rue_mohr: update-grub;grub-install /dev/hda |
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| 23:04.10 | rue_mohr | Karnaugh, the docs dont make any sense |
| 23:04.28 | rue_mohr | kstn:/boot/grub# grub-install /dev/hda |
| 23:04.28 | rue_mohr | /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 23:04.30 | chilly | i only just found this |
| 23:04.33 | rue_mohr | what do you say to that? |
| 23:04.34 | avida | can I install the OpenMosix kernel 2.4.26 onto Debian testing (sarge) ? |
| 23:04.35 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 23:04.46 | karsten | rue_mohr: 'ka<tab>' gives you "karsten". |
| 23:05.01 | karsten | rue_mohr: fdisk -l . Paste to #flood |
| 23:05.03 | rue_mohr | yea, I usually just use 2 chars |
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| 23:05.28 | rue_mohr | Karnaugh, hda1, hda2, hda3 |
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| 23:06.23 | rue_mohr | kaktus, |
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| 23:06.31 | rue_mohr | no ka<tab> gives me ^ that |
| 23:06.40 | rue_mohr | Karnaugh, |
| 23:06.44 | rue_mohr | karsten, |
| 23:06.47 | rue_mohr | 4 chars |
| 23:06.51 | abrotman | poor Karnaugh |
| 23:07.01 | karsten | Heh. |
| 23:07.20 | rue_mohr | 714 members! |
| 23:07.21 | abrotman | at least he's not Karnov .. pulling piles of poo from his butt and throwing them at the evil people |
| 23:07.26 | Phated | You could just hit it a few more times, I mean, really, you seem to enjoy hitting the enter key often enough, you might as well transfer some of that energy. |
| 23:07.28 | rue_mohr | man I'm used to #electronics, like 23... |
| 23:07.50 | chilly | so what was all that about,i feal i'm not wanted hear? |
| 23:07.54 | karsten | rue_mohr: Get a real chat client. |
| 23:07.56 | rue_mohr | ok grub, do I hve a bad problem here iwth the bios? |
| 23:08.01 | rue_mohr | xchat is |
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| 23:08.08 | Phated | It has crap tab-complete. |
| 23:08.11 | rue_mohr | even bitchx would do the same |
| 23:08.16 | rue_mohr | this does to |
| 23:08.27 | karsten | !tell rue_mohr about irssi |
| 23:08.34 | Karnaugh | ok I'm just going to /ignore this guy |
| 23:08.36 | rue_mohr | :/ |
| 23:08.41 | Phated | Yes, bitchx would seem to have crap tab-complete also. |
| 23:08.43 | karsten | @comfort Karnaugh |
| 23:08.45 | ravenbird | There, there, Karnaugh. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:08.56 | abrotman | Karnaugh: heh |
| 23:09.02 | Phated | Botwhore. |
| 23:09.04 | rue_mohr | sorry Karnaugh, I'm not used to priming 4 chars |
| 23:09.11 | abrotman | rue_mohr: get a better client |
| 23:09.15 | karsten | Phated: dpkg is all that'll have me... |
| 23:09.25 | rue_mohr | ok guys, lets focus on grub eh? |
| 23:09.25 | karsten | abrotman: been said. |
| 23:09.29 | Phated | karsten: dpkg will have anyone, don'tcha know. |
| 23:09.44 | chilly | awww i wish someone would chat to me? |
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| 23:09.47 | abrotman | dpkg: you're a whore |
| 23:09.52 | karsten | Phated: a sure thing's a sure thing. |
| 23:09.52 | rue_mohr | srkstn:/boot/grub# grub-install /dev/hda |
| 23:09.52 | rue_mohr | /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 23:09.57 | rue_mohr | ^^ is that a problem? |
| 23:10.04 | karsten | rue_mohr: sec. |
| 23:10.04 | Phated | karsten: Once again you prove yourseld redundant, deary. |
| 23:10.08 | rue_mohr | ok |
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| 23:10.16 | Phated | yourself, that is. |
| 23:10.38 | abrotman | because it works for everyone else ? |
| 23:10.41 | karsten | rue_mohr: Thought: dpkg-reconfigure grub |
| 23:10.44 | rue_mohr | haha |
| 23:10.47 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 23:10.49 | cafuego | !slutbot |
| 23:11.07 | rue_mohr | ok, supposably done |
| 23:11.13 | rue_mohr | should I try reboot now you think? |
| 23:11.15 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 23:11.16 | chilly | ok i have a prob,i want to resize my linux ,how do i go about it? |
| 23:11.30 | karsten | rue_mohr: Check your menu.lst first. |
| 23:11.46 | rue_mohr | :) the one I edited before I started? |
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| 23:12.11 | rue_mohr | it looks just like what I edited it to |
| 23:12.21 | karsten | rue_mohr: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/ref-guide/s1-grub-installing.html |
| 23:12.27 | rue_mohr | hdcx->hdax 0x1 -> 0x0 |
| 23:12.35 | chilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.41 | rue_mohr | lol, lilo, I may be on my way... |
| 23:12.45 | karsten | rue_mohr: FYI, irssi is smart enough to tab-expand a single char to the person you're talking to / responding to. |
| 23:12.48 | Atula | I use Serv-U as FTP server when I was with the Windows folks...now I have Debian... I was wondering what's the best linux FTP server... I did an apt-cache search for ftp server... wu-ftp seems to be popular... what's your opinion on the best ftp server? |
| 23:12.52 | rue_mohr | chilly, hi |
| 23:12.58 | karsten | chilly: Print it in a larger font. |
| 23:13.00 | Karnaugh | Proftpd |
| 23:13.08 | simonrvn | vs or pro ftpd |
| 23:13.10 | kbs | This may be more of a generic un*x question -- is there a sneaky way to truncate a file that's open by another process which I don't want to kill? (the process is a program generating a large, useless log file.) |
| 23:13.11 | rue_mohr | Karnaugh, I'll keep it in mind :) |
| 23:13.12 | Atula | easy to set up? |
| 23:13.17 | karsten | Atula: proftpd. None if possible. |
| 23:13.25 | abrotman | Atula: proftpd or vsftpd |
| 23:13.26 | karsten | kbs: > file |
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| 23:13.46 | kbs | karsten: that doesn't appear to actually truncate the file -- the process continues to write at its last offset |
| 23:13.50 | chilly | hello |
| 23:13.56 | karsten | kbs: cat /dev/null > file |
| 23:13.59 | Karnaugh | rue_mohr: are you actualy talking to me now, or are you still clueless as to how to opperate an irc client |
| 23:14.08 | karsten | kbs: The first *really* should work though. |
| 23:14.10 | kbs | karsten: yes -- I know -- see above |
| 23:14.11 | Atula | karsten, what's the meaning of "None if possible"? |
| 23:14.24 | abrotman | Atula: FTP is insecure by default |
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| 23:14.37 | Atula | I see. |
| 23:14.41 | karsten | Atula: FTP's inherently insecure. There are better file transfer methods from both an authentication and an efficiency standpoint. |
| 23:14.44 | Atula | what's the best way to host files then? |
| 23:14.45 | cafuego | <heh> got email from an old school mate who needed blog software and found my gpl tool :-) |
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| 23:14.58 | abrotman | Atula: scp sftp |
| 23:15.01 | karsten | Atula: bittorrent, for broad, anonymous access. |
| 23:15.09 | abrotman | Atula: to upload or download ? |
| 23:15.17 | Karnaugh | i'd say sftp are quite useless for hosting files |
| 23:15.21 | abrotman | and does it really need to be authenticated |
| 23:15.22 | karsten | Atula: rsync or scp for periodic bidirectional updates. |
| 23:15.27 | Atula | karsten, I'm thinking of a way to just post some files for myself.... to get from anywhere |
| 23:15.35 | karsten | Atula: http |
| 23:15.43 | abrotman | Atula: use scp to upload them .. http to retrieve them |
| 23:15.44 | Karnaugh | Atula: upload them with scp and get them with http |
| 23:15.47 | karsten | Atula: with or without authetication? |
| 23:15.54 | abrotman | http can do both! |
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| 23:15.59 | Atula | I want authentication |
| 23:16.00 | cafuego | just use authenticated webdav |
| 23:16.06 | simonrvn | webdavs |
| 23:16.17 | abrotman | Atula: http does have auth |
| 23:16.17 | Karnaugh | or just apache http-auth |
| 23:16.18 | karsten | Atula: IMO: ssh server, though mind use of keys from insecure hosts (keyloggers / keysniffers, hw or sw). |
| 23:16.19 | Atula | I don't want anyone to access it... besides me or my designated users |
| 23:16.28 | karsten | Atula: ...it's a pretty popular way to hack systems. |
| 23:16.29 | Karnaugh | thats probably the same thing |
| 23:16.30 | simonrvn | or webdavs+digest auth |
| 23:16.31 | karsten | Atula: htaccess. |
| 23:16.31 | abrotman | asg: ping! |
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| 23:16.41 | abrotman | karsten: actually .htaccess |
| 23:16.42 | blueshoe | i'm having problems getting my radeon driver working from grub, where i've appended "video=radeon:800x600"... when i do this the screen goes blank for about ten seconds, while doing regular boot functions, and then goes back to a regular 80x25 screen... (btw, i have CONFIG_FB_RADEON and CONFIG_FB_RADEON_I2C set to "y" in my kernel config) |
| 23:16.48 | kbs | karsten: see http://channels.debian.net/paste/86 |
| 23:16.57 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, yeah, so you've got a point. Dot. Same thing. |
| 23:17.04 | blueshoe | i've also tried appending lots of different options to my kernel line in grub, like "video=radeon" "video=radeon:640x480" "video=radeon:800x600,crt,nocld,noaccel", etc... all with the same result: a blank screen for the first 10 secs of boot |
| 23:17.08 | simonrvn | blueshoe: video:radeonfb |
| 23:17.15 | abrotman | kbs: is that a 6.5GB log ? |
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| 23:17.24 | kbs | abrotman: indeed, indeed. |
| 23:17.29 | abrotman | kbs: you can restart tomcat . come on |
| 23:17.31 | karsten | Can anyone reach: http://www.ms.washington.edu/Docs/Linux/rhel-rg-en-3/s1-grub-installing.html |
| 23:17.31 | blueshoe | simonrvn, that doesn't work any better, unfortunately |
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| 23:17.40 | abrotman | karsten: yes |
| 23:17.44 | karsten | kbs: apropos? |
| 23:17.45 | kbs | abrotman: for reasons related to debugging a long-standing memory leak, nyet |
| 23:17.45 | simonrvn | should be. something else buggered up |
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| 23:17.46 | karsten | abrotman: kthx |
| 23:17.55 | Atula | hm. I'm confused. so besides http there's no other secure method? |
| 23:17.57 | cafuego | karsten: yeah sorry, the DoS will be complete shortly. |
| 23:18.00 | chilly | is this better |
| 23:18.01 | bluebell | abrotman: more usefully, you can set up decent logging for your applications =:) |
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| 23:18.06 | abrotman | Atula: http isn't secure |
| 23:18.09 | karsten | cafuego: kthx |
| 23:18.12 | kbs | karsten: related to "cat > file" truncating a file open by another process |
| 23:18.14 | Atula | ah crap. what then LOL |
| 23:18.15 | abrotman | bluebell: i didn't want to venture there :) |
| 23:18.19 | karsten | kbs: Got any attr settings on that file/filesystem? |
| 23:18.21 | kreg | i got a big old directory of many subdirs of mp3s. they are very unorganized, and have poor filenaming of various formats. But i'm assuming most of the files in there have id3 tags. Is there any app out there that can scan every id3 tag, and use that to rename all the filenames and possibly move them into dirs sorted as albums, and all the others into a big ol dir called unknown? |
| 23:18.23 | karsten | kbs: Dig. |
| 23:18.29 | kreg | sorry that was big |
| 23:18.31 | lexxan | When you install alsa-base.. does it disable OSS? |
| 23:18.34 | simonrvn | abrotman: it's more easily made secure however |
| 23:18.38 | lexxan | i'm on sarge w/ 2.6 kernel |
| 23:18.41 | abrotman | simonrvn: agreed |
| 23:18.48 | abrotman | lexxan: it should |
| 23:18.55 | lexxan | ok cool. |
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| 23:19.04 | karsten | kreg: what's 'file' tell you on 'em? |
| 23:19.12 | abrotman | kbs: are you even on debian ? |
| 23:19.19 | shingouz | lexxan: Not at least with the Crystal Audio chips. Been there and have the scars to prove it |
| 23:19.24 | abrotman | kbs: and why can't you restart tomcat ? |
| 23:19.32 | lexxan | I dunno alsa is working.. but so is OSS |
| 23:19.39 | lexxan | yet I have no emulation on |
| 23:19.41 | karsten | kbs: ...yeah, what's your OS there? What's the filesystem type / mount? |
| 23:19.45 | kbs | abrotman: re: restarting tomcat -- see above -- related to debugging a long-standing memory leak, can't restart it this late in the game |
| 23:19.51 | shingouz | lexxan: Check your /etc/modules and comment out the oss modules |
| 23:20.00 | abrotman | kbs: uhm .. ok |
| 23:20.01 | lexxan | And alsamixer works |
| 23:20.06 | lexxan | but Multimedia selector says its OSS |
| 23:20.15 | lexxan | makes no sense |
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| 23:20.19 | shingouz | lexxan: That should take care of it for the next boot and modprobe -r <module> takes care of the rest |
| 23:20.20 | karsten | kbs: There's an "append-only" file attribute, supported fnord-knows-where. Any chance you've got that set? |
| 23:20.22 | abrotman | kbs: what if you uhm .. move the file?(which could cause tomcat to crash i suppose) |
| 23:20.23 | karsten | !tell lexxan about enter |
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| 23:20.33 | karsten | abrotman: Won't close the open handle. |
| 23:20.44 | lexxan | karsten: wow thanks for coming out. |
| 23:20.53 | kreg | karsten, were you asking that to me or kbs? |
| 23:21.03 | Karnaugh | kreg: tomcat sucks dude |
| 23:21.07 | karsten | kreg: kbs |
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| 23:21.12 | abrotman | Karnaugh: you mean kbs? |
| 23:21.22 | drac | confusing :) |
| 23:21.25 | abrotman | Karnaugh: don't you know how to work your irc client? :) |
| 23:21.29 | lexxan | shingouz, take out anything with oss in it (modules) ? |
| 23:21.35 | Karnaugh | abrotman: no |
| 23:21.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:21.41 | karsten | kreg: My lines to you are to you. My lines to kbs are to him. |
| 23:21.44 | Karnaugh | abrotman: its 1:21AM here, I have an excuse |
| 23:21.56 | kreg | karsten, k. file says they have id3 tags |
| 23:21.59 | karsten | Karnaugh: Not any more. |
| 23:22.14 | karsten | kreg: Does it give you the values? I *know* there's a way to read 'em, not sure how. |
| 23:22.17 | Karnaugh | anyway, Tomcat sucks :P |
| 23:22.22 | abrotman | Karnaugh: yes |
| 23:22.23 | shingouz | lexxan: The oss modules do not have any snd or oss part in them, you need to know what modules oss used and just comment them out. What card do you have there? |
| 23:22.25 | lexxan | shingouz, OSS isn't in my /etc/modules heh |
| 23:22.27 | karsten | kreg: ...try 'google linux id3 read' or something. |
| 23:22.29 | Karnaugh | *tries to insite riot* |
| 23:22.33 | lexxan | shingouz, SB Live 5.1 |
| 23:22.37 | karsten | Karnaugh: Redundant. |
| 23:22.48 | karsten | Karnaugh: Try inciting Phated instead. |
| 23:22.52 | kreg | karsten, just figured somone else may battle such an issue |
| 23:22.52 | concept10 | anyone here familiar with remote desktop connection with tightvnc? |
| 23:22.56 | lexxan | I don't get why I can't even select ALSA in multimedia selector |
| 23:22.58 | karsten | Phated: Where's FieldySnuts anyhow? |
| 23:23.02 | lexxan | yet alsamixer adjusts all my levels |
| 23:23.03 | shingouz | lexxan: Umm... <sheepish voice> did you happen to notice what modules it used to use :) |
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| 23:23.05 | karsten | kreg: ?? |
| 23:23.08 | kreg | googleing the topic is rather broad to the question *shrug* |
| 23:23.10 | karsten | concept10: Yes. |
| 23:23.11 | lexxan | shingouz, no =[ |
| 23:23.26 | Phated | karsten: Don't you encourage anyone to incite me. I don't know where FieldySnuts is. |
| 23:23.26 | lexxan | snd_pcm_oss |
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| 23:23.28 | lexxan | thats loaded |
| 23:23.28 | shingouz | lexxan: Ah... google time... sec |
| 23:23.38 | shingouz | lexxan: That is an alsa module |
| 23:23.46 | concept10 | karsten: im trying to log in a friends computer, I have his IP address. im using KRDC |
| 23:23.49 | abrotman | kreg: there are libraries to possibly do what you want |
| 23:24.00 | karsten | concept10: VNC is insecure over the Net. Don't. |
| 23:24.07 | karsten | concept10: What's friend running? |
| 23:24.09 | kbs | abrotman: it's not a debian system [sorry, hmm... just realized that.] nevertheless, here's more info, http://channels.debian.net/paste/87 |
| 23:24.29 | karsten | concept10: Best bet is tunneled connection. Or if he's on 'nix, ssh. |
| 23:24.30 | lexxan | shingouz, http://www.pastebin.com/279741 |
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| 23:24.36 | kbs | karsten: ext3 system, mounted defaults/rw |
| 23:24.38 | abrotman | kbs: is that a RH7.3 system ? |
| 23:24.44 | karsten | kbs: Hrm. |
| 23:24.44 | lexxan | shingouz, My modules loaded.. |
| 23:24.46 | kbs | abrotman: yes, I believe so |
| 23:24.47 | concept10 | karsten: Windows XP, I have tightvnc installed on his computer |
| 23:24.53 | abrotman | kbs: i'm sorry |
| 23:24.58 | shingouz | lexxan: Lets see.... |
| 23:25.01 | kreg | abrotman, ya. but i'd rather have a gui idiot app |
| 23:25.03 | kbs | abrotman: :-) yep, no worries |
| 23:25.11 | Karnaugh | kreg: I've only found one really good app that does id3 tag renaming, and it was for windows, and it was non-free |
| 23:25.26 | lexxan | I guess sound is working okay.. I just want a better understanding heh |
| 23:25.27 | Karnaugh | kreg: that said, writing something in Python would be pretty trivial i imagine |
| 23:25.32 | karsten | concept10: google 'vnc ssh tunnel' |
| 23:25.37 | concept10 | karsten: I had no problem logging into his computer when it was connected to my network here at home |
| 23:25.47 | kbs | abrotman: karsten: and of course, as it always turns out, we just traced the leak as well, so this is moot at this point. thanks for looking at it nevertheless *wave* |
| 23:25.50 | karsten | concept10: The issue is spraying your bits in the clear over the Internet. |
| 23:25.54 | kreg | Karnaugh, nah, looking forsomeone already made. thanks tho |
| 23:25.54 | abrotman | lexxan: if you ever understand alsa .. come back and explain it to me :) |
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| 23:26.08 | lexxan | heh |
| 23:26.11 | Karnaugh | kreg: lazy hag |
| 23:26.12 | abrotman | kbs: while you're at it .. get a real SDK :) |
| 23:26.12 | kreg | don't really wanna make a project out of it, just want to get it done |
| 23:26.22 | concept10 | karsten: I understand that, thanks for suggestion |
| 23:26.23 | shingouz | lexxan: I think you have only the alsa there at the moment. You could slap the ehci module in ther too to get usb 2.0 though |
| 23:26.29 | Karnaugh | well i cant imagine it being more than 20 lines |
| 23:26.36 | abrotman | kbs: also ... IIRC .. your kernel is remotely vuln |
| 23:26.38 | kreg | abrotman, right, i don't exactly have extra time to get python leanred. |
| 23:26.41 | karsten | concept10: You might also want look at 'nx' |
| 23:26.54 | kreg | Karnaugh, lazy hag? bah |
| 23:26.55 | karsten | concept10: IIRC partially nonfree. Cross platform. Fast. May be secure. Sec. |
| 23:27.01 | kbs | abrotman: ah, ok. will pass that info onto the usual suspects who deal with that |
| 23:27.03 | Ugly_Duck | will sarge goto woody now?? and unstable goto testing? or will sarge stay sarge refering to sources.list |
| 23:27.12 | abrotman | kbs: if you give me a moment |
| 23:27.16 | Karnaugh | kreg: but wouldnt it be rewarding to learn a good language |
| 23:27.25 | shingouz | Ugly_Duck: Sarge stays Sarge and Woody Woody |
| 23:27.38 | kreg | it really would, if i wasn't in a jsp class class >: P |
| 23:27.50 | kreg | my mind is dense. one lingo to learn at a time |
| 23:27.51 | abrotman | kbs: from another RH7.3 box using fedora-legacy updates : Linux matterhorn.cssi.org 2.4.20-42.7.legacy #1 Sun Feb 20 10:45:40 EST 2005 i586 unknown |
| 23:27.55 | abrotman | doh |
| 23:28.02 | dotsony | i'm using the 7174 nvidia installer, and it seems like I have to uninstall and reinstall each time I reboot... |
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| 23:28.09 | suzzi | howdy all |
| 23:28.13 | abrotman | kbs: and someday .. i want that box way way dead |
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| 23:28.19 | lexxan | shingouz, Well yea alsa is working.. but OSS is still running i think |
| 23:28.23 | Ugly_Duck | shingouz: ahh okies, i make sure i dont have testing in my sources.list any more, just sarge right, other wise if its still testing.. i'll be downloading the newest of unstable right.. which will now become testing |
| 23:28.31 | karsten | concept10: http://www.nomachine.com/ |
| 23:28.33 | dotsony | i.e. if I install the driver and load the module and start x, everything's fine |
| 23:28.41 | dotsony | once i reboot, it doesn't work |
| 23:28.47 | shingouz | lexxan: It usually has the oss compatibility module running there but the drivers are pure Alsa |
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| 23:28.50 | dotsony | but if I uninstall and reinstall the driver, load the module, it works again |
| 23:28.54 | lexxan | ok |
| 23:28.56 | suzzi | I dont know if there is any one listing to #samba so I'll ask here. samba error "tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" any one know whats up? |
| 23:28.56 | lexxan | thanks |
| 23:29.04 | abrotman | hopefully noone abuses that poor host .. course .. the CPU isn't worth the dust in the case |
| 23:29.05 | kbs | abrotman: that would go for a lot of machines that I'm dealing with :) this is why they make me leave my sledgehammer at the door |
| 23:29.05 | lexxan | gotta run |
| 23:29.07 | karsten | kbs: man lsattr |
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| 23:29.15 | abrotman | kbs: lovely |
| 23:29.18 | shingouz | Ugly_Duck: Yes. And once Sarge has become stable you change from Sarge to Stable in sources.list |
| 23:29.51 | Ugly_Duck | shingouz: ahh.. okies, sorry; this is the first time for me that a change like this has happened.. damm newbies |
| 23:29.57 | Anders1 | shingouz, sarge will still be called sarge, so why change the name in sources.list? |
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| 23:30.22 | sebischn | hi |
| 23:30.41 | kbs | karsten: so I see a generation number followed by a line of "-"s for the file |
| 23:30.43 | shingouz | Anders1: Welll.. just so you do not have to remeber to change from sarge to the next stable once that time is on hand |
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| 23:30.54 | sebischn | How can I change the gateway of eht0 by using ifconfig ? |
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| 23:31.07 | Anders1 | shingouz, you would notice when etch is stable :P |
| 23:31.07 | Dr-Linux | how i can update ssl ? |
| 23:31.11 | Anders1 | anyway, nn |
| 23:31.12 | shingouz | sebischn: You don't, you use route |
| 23:31.21 | shingouz | Anders1: You sure? ;) |
| 23:31.28 | Anders1 | shingouz, i would atleast |
| 23:31.36 | karsten | kbs: I thought there was an 'append only' attribute. Alternatively, you may have a hosed FS. |
| 23:31.39 | sebischn | ah :), and how does that work ? |
| 23:31.46 | kbs | karsten: heh |
| 23:31.48 | shingouz | sebischn: man route |
| 23:32.02 | Dr-Linux | how to update openssl in debian ? |
| 23:32.03 | cafuego | Anders1: I doubt it, most of us will be dead before Etch is stable. |
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| 23:32.25 | shingouz | sebischn: If you want to change the gateway so that it stays at the new address after a reboot you need to check /etc/network/interfaces though |
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| 23:32.53 | Ugly_Duck | so if i have testing in my DESKTOP machines sources.list... should i change that too stable.. or will testing still be ok to use? |
| 23:32.55 | Dr-Linux | anyone can see my message ? |
| 23:32.58 | Dr-Linux | how to update openssl in debian ? |
| 23:33.01 | dfzi | no. |
| 23:33.03 | sebischn | Thank you shingouz, I have googled for "route" and found this syntax :"route add default gw 192.168.0.1" |
| 23:33.06 | sebischn | well this works |
| 23:33.12 | sebischn | thanks for the hint ;) |
| 23:33.15 | shingouz | Ugly_Duck: I think testing might be able to handle the stress |
| 23:33.32 | shingouz | sebischn: man route is also very handy |
| 23:33.33 | Ugly_Duck | shingouz: kewl, thanks for you help |
| 23:33.33 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: what's wrong with the one you have? |
| 23:33.40 | n0op | what prog should i use to edit the source of a package? |
| 23:33.44 | karsten | kbs: example of truncation. This *should* work, not working indicates problems: http://channels.debian.net/paste/88 |
| 23:33.53 | Dr-Linux | abrotman: i wanna update it |
| 23:33.58 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: why? |
| 23:33.59 | karsten | kbs: I'm serious about FS issues. |
| 23:34.02 | abrotman | and what version do yo uhave? |
| 23:34.19 | karsten | kbs: dmesg; less /var/log/kern.log; less /var/log/messages |
| 23:34.21 | kbs | karsten: there is another process that has the file open in my case |
| 23:34.26 | sebischn | =) |
| 23:34.29 | karsten | kbs: That doesn't matter. |
| 23:34.34 | kbs | karsten: heh |
| 23:34.37 | simonrvn | weee |
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| 23:34.59 | karsten | kbs: Truncating a file like that is how you deal with exactly that problem. This isn't Windows/VMS where you've got exclusive flocks |
| 23:35.04 | Dr-Linux | abrotman: OpenSSL 0.9.6c 21 dec 2001 |
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| 23:35.20 | shingouz | brb |
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| 23:35.31 | Cyanophytes | How can I tell if my system is blocking http connections. What files would I edit in debian to allow it? |
| 23:35.39 | Dr-Linux | abrotman: is this version need to be updated ? |
| 23:35.51 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: which version of debian ? |
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| 23:36.08 | fyliu | #flood |
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| 23:36.58 | Dr-Linux | abrotman : Linux version 2.4.29 (root@rescue) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)) #1 Tue Feb 8 12:25:27 CET 2005 |
| 23:36.58 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: which version of debian ? |
| 23:37.00 | karsten | Is anyone out there experiencing Internet DoS / outages? I've got a mess of sites I can't access. |
| 23:37.07 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: that's not a version of debian |
| 23:37.16 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: woody/sarge/sid ? |
| 23:37.18 | bucky | karsten yep |
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| 23:37.36 | priest | how do i boot in singelmode? |
| 23:37.40 | Dr-Linux | abrotman: how i can check the version ? |
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| 23:37.41 | abrotman | karsten: try another DNS ? |
| 23:37.58 | bucky | prolly dns poinoning again |
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| 23:38.00 | karsten | abrotman: I run my own server, multiple upstreams. |
| 23:38.07 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: /exec -o dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 23:38.14 | cafuego | That's interesting, email viruses come through in batches of 40 at a time every 6 hours or so. |
| 23:38.15 | karsten | Currently unreachable: http://www.ms.washington.edu/ http://www.linuxforums.org/ http://www.faqs.org/ http://www.internetpulse.net/ http://www.nomachine.com/ |
| 23:38.30 | abrotman | karsten: maybe your DNS admin sucks ? |
| 23:38.45 | karsten | abrotman: He does. |
| 23:39.05 | kbs | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/89 |
| 23:39.12 | Dr-Linux | alam2909:~# /exec -o dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 23:39.13 | Dr-Linux | bash: /exec: No such file or directory |
| 23:39.16 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: if you're trying on the command line .. leave off the /exec -o |
| 23:39.16 | bucky | karsten, i can get to http://www.ms.washington.edu/ |
| 23:39.22 | karsten | abrotman: Hosts resolve. |
| 23:39.27 | n0op | karsten i can get all of those pages |
| 23:39.31 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: the /exec is a irc client command |
| 23:39.33 | kbs | abrotman: this is a debian system -- don't think this has much to do with distributions [atleast this particular issue] |
| 23:39.44 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: dpkg -l | tail -n 1 |
| 23:39.45 | bucky | http://www.linuxforums.org/ good |
| 23:39.55 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: if you talk over there .. others can't help |
| 23:40.05 | abrotman | kbs: que? |
| 23:40.22 | karsten | n0op: Thanks. |
| 23:40.24 | kbs | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/89 and the "trunc file opened by another process" thing |
| 23:40.33 | priest | which keys do i press to boot up the box in single-user? |
| 23:40.34 | abrotman | kbs: i think you meant karsten |
| 23:40.42 | kbs | abrotman: ah, my apologies |
| 23:40.45 | abrotman | err shit |
| 23:40.50 | cafuego | germany has fallen off the internet |
| 23:40.51 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 23:40.52 | abrotman | god .. |
| 23:40.55 | bucky | karsten, i can get to all of those urls |
| 23:40.57 | Dr-Linux | abrotman: its 3.0 |
| 23:40.58 | abrotman | cafuego: this is good no? |
| 23:41.06 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 23:41.22 | abrotman | i just need the third column |
| 23:41.28 | Dr-Linux | alam2909:~# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 23:41.29 | Dr-Linux | ii libc6 2.2.5-11.8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 23:41.36 | karsten | kbs: Sorry, I don't speak line noise. What's the point. |
| 23:41.48 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: unless you upgrade to sarge .. i'm pretty sure that's the newest version of SSL you can have ... |
| 23:42.03 | kbs | karsten: your theory about having a second process opening a file and being to truncate it doesn't seem to be correct |
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| 23:42.39 | Dr-Linux | abrotman: then why its showing deb 2000 ? |
| 23:42.40 | karsten | kbs: google 'truncate open file (unix or linux)' and see what turns up. |
| 23:42.42 | Loof | Is there any announcement about the freeze yet? |
| 23:42.43 | Dr-Linux | dec 2000 ? |
| 23:42.49 | abrotman | Dr-Linux: woody was released in 2002 ? |
| 23:42.53 | abrotman | !woody |
| 23:42.53 | karsten | !topicsmite Loof |
| 23:42.53 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Loof. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:42.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
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| 23:43.02 | Loof | I saw the topic |
| 23:43.07 | Loof | I asked if there was an ANNOUCEMENT |
| 23:43.14 | Loof | ANNOUNCEMENT even |
| 23:43.19 | abrotman | Loof: don't you read slashdot ? |
| 23:43.19 | Loof | something management friendly |
| 23:43.32 | karsten | Loof: /topic. |
| 23:43.44 | abrotman | cafuego: yay |
| 23:43.45 | Kvant | Dr-Linux, there ssl 0.9.7e on backports.org |
| 23:43.49 | karsten | Loof: ...and lwn or /. |
| 23:43.49 | Kvant | +is |
| 23:43.52 | cafuego | abrotman: Nobody sane reads slashdot |
| 23:44.03 | karsten | cafuego: I prove your point. |
| 23:44.22 | abrotman | why does wwsr link to a silly html version instead of lists.debian.org ? |
| 23:44.23 | madclicker | what do they mean by "sarge is frozen?" |
| 23:44.40 | abrotman | madclicker: it's very cold in the server room |
| 23:44.49 | cafuego | madclicker: No software is being added, only bugs are fixed. |
| 23:45.18 | perdenab_ | cafuego, quite right. i am insane and read slashdot |
| 23:45.29 | karsten | !freeze |
| 23:45.29 | dpkg | [freeze] when we put the unstable version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable' |
| 23:45.31 | perdenab_ | having said that, what u got against it? |
| 23:45.37 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:45.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:45.42 | madclicker | cafuego:so whats next than? |
| 23:45.51 | simonrvn | then |
| 23:46.12 | deadcat | once sarge comes out i am gonna start bitching about the next testing (= |
| 23:46.12 | abrotman | madclicker: release .. then testing(codenamed etch) will open again |
| 23:46.15 | Cyanophytes | what config files manage http connections to my debian system |
| 23:46.17 | deadcat | what ever that is |
| 23:46.29 | karsten | Cyanophytes: ?? |
| 23:46.32 | deadcat | Cyanophytes: you apache or something? |
| 23:46.35 | cafuego | perdenab_: Too many retarded children that think they have an opinion that matters. |
| 23:46.35 | abrotman | httpd.conf ? :) |
| 23:46.37 | karsten | Cyanophytes: outbound or inbound? Webserver? |
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| 23:46.47 | abrotman | cafuego: you spend a lot of time there eh? |
| 23:46.50 | Cyanophytes | karsten: Inbound |
| 23:47.02 | karsten | Cyanophytes: What's your webserver? |
| 23:47.09 | perdenab_ | cafuego, i find that opinions like that usually come from people who just graduated from the short bus themselves |
| 23:47.10 | karsten | cafuego: Say what you really mean. |
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| 23:47.17 | abrotman | cafuego: kind of dirty |
| 23:47.29 | karsten | abrotman: ...in a manner of speaking. |
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| 23:47.44 | cafuego | karsten: I won't! |
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| 23:48.30 | doub | perdenab_: good luck |
| 23:48.34 | Cyanophytes | karsten: I have a Synchronet BBS software with a built in web server. ftp telnet irc smtp pop all work. And I can connect to the web server locally but not remotely. |
| 23:48.43 | doub | perdenab_: i don't think you can find any here |
| 23:48.48 | spoopin | perdenab_: ok. how about my great uncle's? |
| 23:48.56 | perdenab_ | is she cute? |
| 23:49.04 | ongia | hey people do you know how come after i upgrade my box my artwiz-aleczapka-en font doesnt work anymore? |
| 23:49.09 | spoopin | perdenab_: she's 75. |
| 23:49.10 | ongia | it worked before |
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| 23:49.21 | ongia | now the fluxbox font is too big |
| 23:49.22 | cafuego | You know, at least real media outlets use spell checkers. |
| 23:49.26 | ongia | do you know why? |
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| 23:49.47 | abrotman | spoopin: ping |
| 23:49.49 | cafuego | abrotman: Where you emigrating to? |
| 23:49.49 | mtnman | any idea if linux-wlan-modules-2.4.27-2-686 from sid will work on a sarge machine running kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686? |
| 23:49.56 | doub | ongia: you must begin your sentence with "o oracle so wise" when asking such a question |
| 23:49.56 | spoopin | abrotman: pong |
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| 23:50.01 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm going to NC for the weekend |
| 23:50.03 | perdenab_ | spoopin, i usually don't deal with old widows versions, but thanks anyway |
| 23:50.12 | ongia | doub: lol |
| 23:50.13 | abrotman | spoopin: ever been to any of the piedmont blues things in NC ? |
| 23:50.15 | cafuego | Noo Cologne? |
| 23:50.35 | spoopin | perdenab_: let me know if you change your mind. |
| 23:50.52 | ongia | doub: hey man! do i need to install font server to work with artwiz-aleczapka font? |
| 23:50.52 | tvn | anyone using xinerama and have problem watching movie on the non-primary screen ? the movie window just blank on the 2nd screen but display fines on the first |
| 23:50.52 | spoopin | abrotman: no. where in NC are you gonna be? |
| 23:51.00 | abrotman | spoopin: greensboro |
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| 23:51.05 | doub | ongia: i'm no oracle ;) |
| 23:51.15 | ongia | heh |
| 23:51.15 | perdenab_ | Cyanophytes, telnet is evil. turn it off and use ssh |
| 23:51.23 | mtnman | doub: that mean you don't bake cookies? |
| 23:51.25 | abrotman | spoopin: http://www.piedmontblues.org/sections/litefest/2005/schedule.html |
| 23:51.26 | spoopin | abrotman: crap. You should come to Charlotte for beers :) |
| 23:51.34 | perdenab_ | is she cute? |
| 23:51.36 | spoopin | abrotman: asg's always up for a few ;) |
| 23:51.47 | abrotman | spoopin: another time i think .. i'm only gonna be there from thurs night to sun afternoon |
| 23:51.50 | doub | mtnman: of course |
| 23:51.54 | abrotman | spoopin: and i'm not driving :) |
| 23:52.05 | spoopin | abrotman: ah, so be it. |
| 23:52.09 | abrotman | spoopin: jackalope jack's! |
| 23:52.41 | spoopin | abrotman: did he give you the URL for their webcam? |
| 23:52.45 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 23:52.45 | dpkg | i heard pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 23:52.52 | abrotman | oddly close to |
| 23:52.55 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 23:52.55 | dpkg | buckabeer is probably time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 23:53.08 | spoopin | abrotman: Haha! I should have known. |
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| 23:53.27 | Faithful | grrrr.... telstra have put a transparent proxy on outgoing SMTP connections |
| 23:53.36 | abrotman | Faithful: isn't that a good thing ? |
| 23:53.52 | abrotman | Faithful: why not use thier smtp ? |
| 23:54.07 | doub | Faithful: my isp is worse, they blocked all outgoing port 25 connections |
| 23:54.15 | abrotman | spoopin: i was just wondering if that festival was any good .. |
| 23:54.20 | Faithful | because you have to wait for them to deliver it... |
| 23:54.22 | abrotman | spoopin: but i guess you've never been |
| 23:54.40 | Faithful | but they did it with no notification... and they deny they have it in place |
| 23:55.09 | spoopin | abrotman: I really don't know, sadly. I've always had respect for good blues but never seem to go out of my way to hear it. |
| 23:55.14 | doub | Faithful: sue them :) |
| 23:55.20 | abrotman | spoopin: ever been to greensboro? |
| 23:55.24 | Faithful | well maybe it is not proxy... but firewall... I can only connect to a telstra smtp server now |
| 23:55.37 | spoopin | abrotman: I've been through it on the way to Raleigh |
| 23:56.01 | abrotman | hrm |
| 23:56.15 | spoopin | abrotman: You're riding down for the festival specifically? |
| 23:56.20 | doub | Faithful: change your ISP. this seems to indicate many of their clients are spammers |
| 23:56.28 | abrotman | spoopin: no .. college friend lives in greensboro |
| 23:56.43 | cafuego | Faithful: bigpond block remote smtp "for anti-spam purposes" yes. |
| 23:56.51 | abrotman | spoopin: and i'm flying .. won't have a car at all |
| 23:57.21 | cafuego | Faithful: You can 1) use ssmtp which uses a non-blocked port OR switch ISPs. Anyone is better than Bigpond for price, service and value. |
| 23:57.27 | spoopin | abrotman: ah, ok. don't blame you there. |
| 23:57.56 | abrotman | spoopin: it would be 8-10 hours drive |
| 23:58.14 | cafuego | Faithful: You on bigpond dsl? |
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| 23:58.50 | spoopin | abrotman: Yeah. I'm trying to convince some friends to make a whilwind trip up to Philadelphia for a concert. Up one day and back the next. |
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| 23:59.34 | abrotman | spoopin: what show? |
| 23:59.38 | karsten | Can someone paste their own DNS resolution of these hosts (bash one-liner at top) http://channels.debian.net/paste/90 |
| 23:59.42 | Faithful | Yes ADSL What annoys me is 1) They did it without notice 2) The deny that it is there ... so for 2 days I have been trying to figure out the problem |
