| 00:00.01 | angie | Phated: I hope not :-) |
| 00:00.09 | shakparl | verbose: try sarge net-inst |
| 00:00.12 | dondelelcaro | bucky: yes, I'm well aware of this fact. |
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| 00:00.21 | dondelelcaro | bucky: if you have a problem, feel free to /ignore -responses angie |
| 00:00.22 | cafuego | angie: t's not as if anyone here who CAN speak decent english is a native english speaker. it's only my third language. |
| 00:00.26 | n0dez | i was wondering which package should i install to get dig |
| 00:00.31 | Dabian | angie : DO you know the debian install guide? |
| 00:00.36 | verbose | what does linx26/netinst do? |
| 00:00.42 | maher | c01100011: yes - but you probably don't want to do that unless you restrict them to local logins only |
| 00:00.42 | shakparl | n0dez: apt-get update ; apt-cache search dig |
| 00:00.44 | verbose | linux* |
| 00:00.47 | caphuso | n0dez: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:00.48 | Phated | angie: Indeed, there is no need to make statements about the rest of the world. |
| 00:00.56 | cafuego | verbose: it boots the netinst cd with a 2.6 kernel. |
| 00:00.56 | n0dez | shakparl, thanks i have already searched |
| 00:00.59 | angie | Dabian: it seems i'll reinstall debian :-) |
| 00:01.11 | c01100011 | maher- will a local login also work to acces files over samba ? |
| 00:01.13 | Dabian | !tell angie about d-i |
| 00:01.19 | bucky | dondelelcaro, oh no... i'm willing to listen to angie tell us why we should trouble shoot this problem for him/her |
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| 00:01.27 | bucky | for another hour |
| 00:01.42 | Delph | n0dez: aye, dig is hard to search for. |
| 00:01.43 | dondelelcaro | bucky: ok... then why are you talking to me about it, exactly? |
| 00:01.44 | n0dez | no one knows how i can install dig? |
| 00:01.49 | cafuego | Phated: Technically yes, but let me just specify 'higher math'. |
| 00:01.50 | maher | c01100011: samba is different - there is something about this in samba.conf iirc |
| 00:01.52 | streuner | bucky: it seems we have learned our lesson today, go to #debian, get a female nick and be friendly and you could say everything you want ;-) |
| 00:01.52 | caphuso | n0dez: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:01.54 | verbose | cafuego: sorry, i'm still slightly confused as to how this is going to help me with my problem |
| 00:01.55 | Delph | it's in dnsutils |
| 00:01.56 | cafuego | Phated: like x+x = 2x |
| 00:01.57 | Phated | cafuego: You suck. |
| 00:02.00 | n0dez | maybe it's included on another package |
| 00:02.04 | Dabian | bucky : Please settle on him or her .. it seems obnoxious to display ambious. |
| 00:02.12 | Delph | caphuso: searching for dig is *really* quite hard, as all the packages in the world seem to mention 'dig' |
| 00:02.20 | cafuego | Phated: No, you misunderstand, the EIGHTIES sucked ;-) |
| 00:02.23 | c01100011 | maher- well i will just create the acount and give it a shot , how do I create an acount with a nulled password ? |
| 00:02.25 | n0dez | caphuso, thanks. i have already used synaptic to search |
| 00:02.26 | Phated | cafuego: Ah. |
| 00:02.40 | bucky | dondelelcaro, you didn't seem to be aware it was ubuntu.. but go ahead.. i want to see what the answer is |
| 00:02.42 | maher | c01100011: you want a samba guest account i assume not a real user called guest' |
| 00:02.43 | dondelelcaro | Delph: not really. I'll demonstrate. |
| 00:02.43 | shakparl | n0dez: weird i've never had to install anything extra to use dig in debian |
| 00:02.45 | Phated | cafuego: I fail to see how they might have been worse than the 70s. |
| 00:02.48 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/dig |
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| 00:02.49 | n0dez | i'm looking for the dig tool eg dig -x <ip> |
| 00:02.50 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 00:03.06 | n0dez | i'm trying debian sarge but i use dig a lot on freebsd |
| 00:03.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dig' (6 of 7): (/usr/bin/digestp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/digikam) in graphics/digikam ;; (/var/list/.bin/digest) in mail/smartlist ;; (/usr/share/tomcat4/bin/digest.sh) in contrib/web/tomcat4 ;; (/usr/bin/{digitemp_DS2490|digitemp_DS9097|digitemp_DS9097U}) in electronics/digitemp. |
| 00:03.09 | verbose | do i have to download every single sarge iso? |
| 00:03.11 | cafuego | Phated: 4 words: white leather lounge suites |
| 00:03.16 | caphuso | Delph: apt-file search bin/dig comes up with only 10 hits |
| 00:03.17 | streuner | verbose: hell no |
| 00:03.17 | dondelelcaro | Delph: see above. |
| 00:03.21 | Dabian | arnoldoree : 11. You shall not IRC as root. |
| 00:03.22 | verbose | which ones? |
| 00:03.24 | streuner | verbose: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:03.28 | c01100011 | maher- a real user name guest is also a good idea , as my family uses my linux box when i am not home and they don't remember passwords |
| 00:03.29 | n0dez | i find dig very useful |
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| 00:03.32 | streuner | verbose: pick one of those |
| 00:03.33 | shakparl | n0dez: dnsutils |
| 00:03.34 | Phated | cafuego: WHITE leather? How awful, you'd never get the stains out! |
| 00:03.51 | caphuso | Delph: of which 9 are obviously wrong |
| 00:03.55 | n0dez | shakparl, i'll try that. thanks :) |
| 00:03.58 | angie | streuner: the lesson i learned is: come to #debian.. think you have a generic debian problem although using ubuntu and be treated like an idiot |
| 00:04.00 | Delph | caphuso: whatever |
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| 00:04.04 | verbose | there are 15... |
| 00:04.05 | cafuego | Phated: They weren't fort sitting on, they were for showing you could 1) afford them and 2) could afford to not use them. |
| 00:04.07 | Delph | caphuso: it's not obvious from the package listings. |
| 00:04.07 | maher | c01100011: yes but you don't want random people loggin in via ssh as guest |
| 00:04.16 | Delph | and apt-file annoys me |
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| 00:04.18 | c01100011 | maher- i will restrict it to local login |
| 00:04.20 | dondelelcaro | dude! Don't be knocking the white leather lounge suits with flares. (albeit, 70s, not 80s, but whatever) |
| 00:04.23 | Phated | cafuego: Oh. The 80s did suck. |
| 00:04.24 | bucky | angie, that post was from july of last year.. i guess debian got that issue straightened out by now |
| 00:04.32 | cafuego | Phated: They did. |
| 00:04.35 | angie | streuner: and never say #ubuntu here... just because it's getting an higher rank in distrowatch |
| 00:04.38 | schlomo | arf |
| 00:04.42 | resiak | Phated: We weren't old enough to make them not such! \o/ |
| 00:04.43 | Dabian | bucky : Heh .. don't be sure. |
| 00:04.45 | streuner | angie: YOU DON'T have a _generic_ debian problem, YOU have a _ubuntu_ problem |
| 00:04.54 | Phated | resiak: Suck, my dear, the word is suck. |
| 00:04.57 | schlomo | ok |
| 00:05.02 | angie | streuner: if i knew that i would not have come here |
| 00:05.03 | schlomo | thantks for the help |
| 00:05.04 | Dabian | bucky : I wouldn't be surprised if a bug from woody is still in sarge, that I never got around to reporting. |
| 00:05.07 | dondelelcaro | angie: uh, Ubuntu is completely OT here. |
| 00:05.09 | resiak | Phated: I've got my band "Such" on my mind :) |
| 00:05.16 | angie | dondelelcaro: it seems so |
| 00:05.20 | Phated | resiak: I expect oggs. Soon. |
| 00:05.28 | resiak | Phated: If I record21 |
| 00:05.34 | resiak | Phated: s/21/!/ :) |
| 00:05.46 | verbose | which sarge iso's should i download? |
| 00:05.47 | streuner | angie: and we told you that 100 times..., but you don't listen |
| 00:05.50 | dondelelcaro | angie: even discussing it has no place. Kindly refrain from bringing it up again, or you will likely be devoiced. |
| 00:05.50 | verbose | just one? |
| 00:05.53 | Phated | resiak: Hurrah. |
| 00:05.59 | kofj | in debian installation , create ext3 partition failed....why and what should i do ? |
| 00:06.00 | cafuego | angie: Well, by definition any problem on an ubuntu box is an ubuntu problem. |
| 00:06.00 | Delph | verbose: you're on the intermanet, yes? |
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| 00:06.10 | verbose | yes |
| 00:06.12 | bucky | verbose, the net install iso for x386 |
| 00:06.14 | Delph | verbose: if so, get the netinst |
| 00:06.16 | Dabian | streuner : If it didn't help the first 20 times, with bother to tell her 80 times more?!?? |
| 00:06.16 | dondelelcaro | kofj: can you give us the exact error message? |
| 00:06.23 | firefly2442_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.23 | verbose | i've found the page for netinst |
| 00:06.35 | verbose | do i download the one for woody or sarge? |
| 00:06.39 | dondelelcaro | verbose: sarge |
| 00:06.40 | Phated | sarge. |
| 00:06.42 | cafuego | sarge |
| 00:06.56 | verbose | ok |
| 00:06.57 | verbose | thanks |
| 00:07.01 | maher | kofj: what error |
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| 00:07.08 | verbose | and this is just a minimal installation?? |
| 00:07.16 | bucky | yes |
| 00:07.20 | angie | Dabian: the 101st time is the good one... i understood i'll reinstall debian and throwing away ubuntu |
| 00:07.23 | Delph | verbose: that will get you enough of an installation so that you can download the rest |
| 00:07.23 | cafuego | verbose: The netinst is, yes. |
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| 00:07.34 | Dabian | angie :-) |
| 00:07.35 | verbose | ah i see, thanks |
| 00:07.38 | angie | thanks again every one... |
| 00:07.40 | dondelelcaro | verbose: no, it's a minimal _installation media_ |
| 00:07.49 | verbose | ah ok |
| 00:07.53 | dondelelcaro | kofj: read /topic and refrain from /msg'ing me |
| 00:07.55 | n0dez | shakparl, thanks. dig is included in dnsutils :) |
| 00:07.55 | verbose | i'll download it and report back the results |
| 00:07.58 | dondelelcaro | kofj: which version of d-i is this? |
| 00:07.59 | angie | cya from debian again |
| 00:08.03 | verbose | hopefully it supports my sata controller and hd |
| 00:08.14 | mofixd | please, I want download debian but I dont know what. Anyone can I help me? |
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| 00:08.21 | Dabian | angie : Good luck, and enjoy! |
| 00:08.23 | kofj | dondelelcaro:the installation program just say create partition failed :( |
| 00:08.23 | verbose | i should have done this from the beginnig |
| 00:08.31 | dondelelcaro | kofj: also, alt-f3 (or f4, never can remeber) and see what the error message is on the console screen |
| 00:08.32 | shakparl | n0dez: thank Delph :) |
| 00:08.42 | firefly2442_ | mofixd: download the sarge .iso, burn cd and follow instructions |
| 00:08.47 | Delph | =:P |
| 00:08.49 | n0dez | oh, then thanks delph :) |
| 00:09.02 | mofixd | firefly2442_ sarge is stable version? |
| 00:09.08 | angie | Dabian: thanks for keeping thins channel clean |
| 00:09.13 | resiak | mofixd: It will be in a month. |
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| 00:09.37 | kofj | dondelecaro:sarge |
| 00:09.38 | michal_ | anyone here use a linksys wrt54g router ? |
| 00:09.49 | bucky | mofixd, you want sarge |
| 00:09.50 | mofixd | resiak so I can download now and after upgrade with apt? |
| 00:09.51 | dondelelcaro | kofj: uh... no, that's not the version of the d-i that you're using. |
| 00:10.07 | firefly2442_ | mofixd: sarge is stable enough |
| 00:10.08 | Phated | michal_: I do. |
| 00:10.10 | resiak | !d-i mofixd |
| 00:10.12 | dpkg | mofixd, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:10.22 | kofj | dondelecaro: sorry ,I don't know what's d_=-i |
| 00:10.25 | firefly2442_ | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 00:10.29 | firefly2442_ | install manual |
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| 00:10.34 | dondelelcaro | kofj: where did you download the installer from, and which version is it? |
| 00:10.46 | kofj | thanks |
| 00:10.52 | mofixd | resiak what? |
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| 00:11.02 | michal_ | Phated, you wouldn't happen to know whether it's possible to route via specific ports ? I'm trying to do it using port based vlan but the route command doesn't seem to have the ability to route by device |
| 00:11.03 | mofixd | dpkg ok |
| 00:11.03 | dpkg | [ok] okay |
| 00:11.04 | dondelelcaro | kofj: but first off, just find the error message on VT3 (alt-f3) |
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| 00:11.17 | green_earz | mofixd: the sarge install manual > http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
| 00:11.20 | kofj | dondelecaro:from I mirro site, but i am sure the file is correct |
| 00:11.31 | Phated | michal_: None whatsoever. I merely use it to connect both my box and my mom's to the net. |
| 00:11.36 | mofixd | ok, thanks all |
| 00:11.40 | verbose | there's only one problem with netinst... |
| 00:11.50 | dondelelcaro | kofj: which mirror site? and which version? there are a few thousand different versions, and it will be helpful to figure out exactly what the issue is |
| 00:11.57 | verbose | it might not boot because this is the problem i had with woody and this is why i created floppies |
| 00:11.58 | kofj | dondelecaro:I am using a notebook, will it be a problem? |
| 00:11.59 | michal_ | Phated, ahh.. i have plenty of other routers that could do that :/ i was trying to connect 3 different networks :/ |
| 00:12.12 | Phated | michal_: I see. |
| 00:12.17 | n0dez | i'm off to bed |
| 00:12.21 | n0dez | gnite |
| 00:12.24 | bucky | verbose, there are sarge install floppies somewhere.. find them |
| 00:12.28 | firefly2442_ | where does webmin default to when installed? I need to change my password |
| 00:12.33 | dondelelcaro | kofj: probably not. Either way, start off by figuring out what the actually error message is. Visit vt3 (alt-f3) and tell us. |
| 00:12.34 | verbose | ah ok |
| 00:12.36 | verbose | thanks |
| 00:13.01 | kofj | i downloaded http://61.132.102.124/debian-cd/sarge/rc3/ |
| 00:13.07 | Dabian | angie : I dunno if I did. I hope you will have success with debian though. :) |
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| 00:14.24 | green_earz | firefly2442_: https://127.0.0.1:10000/ login as root |
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| 00:15.08 | kofj | dondelecaro:the filename is sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:15.15 | jharrison | anyone know what file /usr/lib/perl/5.8.4/auto/Devel/DPpof belongs to? |
| 00:15.16 | kofj | dondelecaro:mirro site address is http://61.132.102.124/debian-cd/sarge/rc3/ |
| 00:15.16 | firefly2442_ | that doesn't work, I think I disabled my root account, how can I enable it again |
| 00:15.41 | dondelelcaro | kofj: ok, you're using rc3. |
| 00:15.44 | jharrison | it does not appear to exist yet when I do a find / -name 'gnucash*' it is listed |
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| 00:15.47 | angie | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.47 | jharrison | really weird |
| 00:15.47 | primoz | firefly2442_, disable how? |
| 00:15.57 | mofixd | 3.0 rc4 is sarge? |
| 00:16.12 | kofj | dondelecaro:I think create partition failed is impossible |
| 00:16.23 | firefly2442_ | nevermind I got it.. my bad |
| 00:16.26 | firefly2442_ | thanks |
| 00:16.31 | Dabian | angie : NP, cya around. :) |
| 00:16.41 | dondelelcaro | kofj: visit VT3, and see the error message that it is giving you. |
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| 00:17.10 | kofj | OK, I will be back soon |
| 00:17.45 | verbose | i cannot find the floppy files |
| 00:17.47 | green_earz | mofixd: 3.1 is sarge |
| 00:17.59 | verbose | i cannot remember for the life of me where i found them before |
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| 00:19.35 | green_earz | verbose: floppy for a sarge install ? |
| 00:19.47 | verbose | yes |
| 00:19.50 | green_earz | http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 00:19.54 | verbose | i have the woody ones but not sarge |
| 00:20.01 | verbose | ah thanks |
| 00:21.30 | kamela | mmm floppy install, just typing the words makes my skin crawl |
| 00:22.22 | verbose | green_earz: i can find the disks for woody but not sarge |
| 00:22.33 | michal_ | god damn this linksys is frustrating :/ |
| 00:22.34 | verbose | not available under testing or sarge |
| 00:22.46 | kamela | lol michal_ you too? |
| 00:22.50 | kamela | linksys is poop |
| 00:22.52 | c01100011 | how do i null a users passwordd ? |
| 00:22.53 | kamela | not THE poop |
| 00:22.55 | kamela | just poop |
| 00:23.05 | verbose | wait, i found it |
| 00:23.07 | Dabian | c01100011 : visudo |
| 00:23.08 | michal_ | kamela: still better than all the alternatives :/ |
| 00:23.16 | Dabian | c01100011 : Find the use |
| 00:23.17 | kamela | netgear has some nice looking stuff |
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| 00:23.23 | kamela | $176 and supports vpn |
| 00:23.45 | kamela | it's what i'm gonna try replacing my linksys with |
| 00:23.45 | IDC | morning |
| 00:23.52 | bucky | kamela, the debian floppy install is a real challenge.. three floppies |
| 00:23.56 | Dabian | c01100011 : Make his passwordfield empty, and she will be able to log in without password. |
| 00:23.56 | michal_ | kamela: there are no other affordable routers like the linksys (ie runs linux and is very configurable) |
| 00:23.58 | verbose | hope this works |
| 00:24.06 | kamela | bah |
| 00:24.08 | kamela | suit yourself |
| 00:24.17 | bucky | rawrite in a dos box.. priceless |
| 00:24.20 | kamela | it may run linux but it's still a piece of crap |
| 00:24.37 | bucky | some people can't boot from a cdrom |
| 00:24.42 | michal_ | kamela, list 1 router that can cannect 3 or 4 seperate networks |
| 00:24.43 | jair_11 | guys I will be installing a server text only mode of sarge RC3 using the netinst, but I will need to configure the IP static and two ethx! |
| 00:24.48 | IDC | michael, how about D-Links' and TP-Link's ? |
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| 00:25.02 | green_earz | verbose: it a testing mirror that the sarge floppy are on but how ??? , have you got a install of debian ?? |
| 00:25.02 | afabian | No people can boot from a CD-ROM. Some computers can. ;) |
| 00:25.09 | michal_ | IDC, dlinks can't do that and I've never heard of TP-Links |
| 00:25.11 | kamela | cisco 800 |
| 00:25.16 | kamela | my openbsd box |
| 00:25.20 | IDC | michael, :) |
| 00:25.31 | bucky | afabian, true.. some people just don't know that they just don't know |
| 00:25.40 | verbose | afabian: i can't |
| 00:25.45 | michal_ | kamela: an openbsd box isn't a router and a cisco 800 isn't comparable either |
| 00:26.03 | jair_11 | at the moment of configure the network I will be able to do it rigth? |
| 00:26.12 | verbose | green_earz: this is where i obtained the disk files... http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 00:26.15 | kamela | sure it's a router, i've got enough interfaces in it and it does filtering, nat, mrtg, the works |
| 00:26.33 | jair_11 | what about if I have it already and I want to change it from dynamic to static? |
| 00:26.40 | jair_11 | on the debian? |
| 00:26.46 | michal_ | kamela, and you can fit it into a linksys or similar case, no fans, low power usage, and at a similar cost? |
| 00:27.23 | IDC | I just need a broadband router,it supports DMZ,MAC clone,filter :) ..it must be cheap |
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| 00:27.40 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: just edit /etc/network/interfaces; then. |
| 00:27.43 | kamela | no, but then you pay for quality, $60 doesnt seem to cut it in that department |
| 00:27.48 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: man 5 interfaces; for detail |
| 00:28.33 | sarom | just a quick question, are you debian guys using synaptic? |
| 00:28.42 | afabian | Every router I bought at Best Buy dropped the connection at least once a day for no apparent reason. I ended up buying two network cards, sticking them in an old PC... |
| 00:28.46 | IDC | kamela, why a hardware router has anything to do with configuing it on LInux ? |
| 00:28.47 | simonrvn | no. some folks do |
| 00:28.48 | michal_ | kamela, also, can you run tcpdump on the netgear you're thinking of purchasing? |
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| 00:28.59 | Delph | sarom: some use apt, some use synaptic, some use dselect... why? |
| 00:29.16 | Delph | *apt-get |
| 00:29.18 | sarom | just wondering... are you guys using the ubuntu repositories? |
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| 00:29.21 | michal_ | kamela: seems that you'd need to spend around $1000 for the nearest comparable router of quality |
| 00:29.27 | Delph | no, we're not running ubuntu. |
| 00:29.31 | kamela | phh $1000 my ass |
| 00:29.32 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, thank you |
| 00:29.35 | Delph | mixing debian and ubuntu isn't really reccomended. |
| 00:29.51 | kamela | my grubby little sarge server could do that |
| 00:30.01 | michal_ | kamela, even a cisco 1720 doesn't compare unless you buy a 4 port switched nic for it |
| 00:30.07 | michal_ | wic rather |
| 00:30.11 | sarom | so why did ubuntu come into existance? if you guys have synaptic and can download almost anything? |
| 00:30.25 | simonrvn | sarom: no. ubuntu users do |
| 00:30.29 | Delph | sarom: see the ubuntu website for details on the company backing it. |
| 00:30.36 | bucky | sarom, they wanted to have a sexy metro sexual logo |
| 00:30.39 | Delph | they want your money. |
| 00:30.42 | sarom | ahhh |
| 00:30.43 | sarom | ok |
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| 00:30.47 | kamela | if you've got such a hardon for the linksys then why did you come in here bitching about it |
| 00:30.48 | sarom | Im not giving them my money! |
| 00:30.49 | sarom | :) |
| 00:30.59 | Delph | well, they have a buisness model. |
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| 00:31.10 | Delph | this may or may not include your money. |
| 00:31.40 | michal_ | kamela, I didn't. I said it was frustrating trying to figure out how to configure some things.. all of them unsupported (but presumably possible) |
| 00:32.22 | bucky | all hardware makes him horney |
| 00:32.28 | bucky | equally |
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| 00:33.06 | verbose | michal_: you should try the linmodem driver |
| 00:33.08 | verbose | ugh |
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| 00:33.34 | bucky | verbose, stop teasing |
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| 00:33.37 | verbose | i spent untold hours working with that trying to get it work and eventually got it but it wasn't perfect |
| 00:33.44 | verbose | teasing? |
| 00:33.45 | edt | anyone know what (or how to find) the perl package with XML::Parser |
| 00:33.57 | verbose | nope, not teasing |
| 00:34.18 | michal_ | am i correct in assuming that it should be possible to set a route with the destination being a vlan device? |
| 00:34.24 | bucky | edt apt-cache search XML::Parser |
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| 00:34.39 | michal_ | i assume so because the router currently has a couple of routes just like that :P |
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| 00:35.14 | bucky | apt-cache show libxml-perl |
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| 00:35.30 | michal_ | hmm.. rip is only running on br0 and vlan1 ... |
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| 00:36.04 | edt | buck I do not have it installed and want to install it |
| 00:36.45 | verbose | what command do i use to write files to disk using rawrite? |
| 00:36.54 | edt | bucky its not installed - need to find the package to install (searching www.debian.org does not help) |
| 00:37.18 | bucky | edt apt-get install libxml-perl |
| 00:37.25 | streuner | verbose: read ig (installation guide) - its mentioned there - /msg dpkg ig |
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| 00:38.05 | setog3 | hi , I wrote a cdrom with cdrecord dev=atapi:1,0,0 driveropts=burnfree -data file1 file2 file3 file4 |
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| 00:38.09 | setog3 | it wrote |
| 00:38.09 | green_earz | verbose:http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sar...installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ |
| 00:38.16 | verbose | ah thanks |
| 00:38.24 | verbose | oh, yes |
| 00:38.26 | setog3 | but now when I want mount the cdrom I can't |
| 00:38.35 | setog3 | what I have do bad ? |
| 00:38.41 | verbose | i'm looking for how to write the imgs |
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| 00:38.56 | bucky | verbose, you got a linux box? |
| 00:38.57 | IDC | which command to check the version of a previously installed debian package ? |
| 00:39.16 | edt | bucky thanks (fingers crossed that it fixes the build I am trying to get to work) |
| 00:39.18 | bucky | verbose, dd rescue.img /dev/fd0 |
| 00:39.20 | green_earz | green_earz: it took some finding. i used the floppy install a couple of nights ago and perfect |
| 00:39.24 | verbose | bucky: in the process |
| 00:39.32 | verbose | using windows |
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| 00:40.02 | verbose | i've been waiting for my hd and sata controller for awhile and now i'm ready |
| 00:40.10 | bucky | verbose, you should do some reading in the install manual on how to use rawrite |
| 00:40.10 | verbose | however, having problems of coures |
| 00:40.15 | verbose | hopefully sarge will fix them |
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| 00:40.18 | verbose | yeh |
| 00:40.28 | verbose | i had the command and i used it for woody disks but forgot it |
| 00:40.44 | bucky | verbose, repitition is the key to retention |
| 00:40.57 | verbose | yes |
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| 00:41.04 | verbose | haven't had much of change to use the command |
| 00:41.12 | k-dog | How do I unpack a DEB who's preconfig fails? |
| 00:41.29 | verbose | do you know the command? |
| 00:41.35 | verbose | difficult to find these things |
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| 00:41.50 | dondelelcaro | k-dog: you fix the config or the preinst or whatever is failing. |
| 00:41.59 | dondelelcaro | k-dog: paste the errors into #flood or using the paster bot. |
| 00:42.08 | verbose | close but no cigar |
| 00:42.16 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: Blackdown java license confirmation failure. |
| 00:42.29 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: ...even if I want to, the damned thing doesn't accept. |
| 00:42.31 | green_earz | verbose: the link should keep you happy > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 00:43.04 | verbose | ah yes, i have that file saved to disk but can't find it in there |
| 00:43.11 | verbose | does anyone know the command off-hand? |
| 00:43.20 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: Pasted to #flood |
| 00:43.32 | k-dog | verbose: command for what? |
| 00:43.37 | verbose | i would assume it's just rawrite file name source |
| 00:43.39 | dondelelcaro | k-dog: add a set -x to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/j2re1.4.preinst; |
| 00:43.39 | verbose | rawrite |
| 00:43.47 | verbose | copying disk images to disk |
| 00:43.57 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: The preinst file isn't there. It's apparently running out of the archive or deleting itself |
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| 00:44.27 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: #flood |
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| 00:44.44 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: I've tried repackaging the damned DEBs already, but they re-fetch. |
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| 00:45.13 | dondelelcaro | k-dog: ok, then dpkg -e j2re1.4blahblahblah.deb; dpkg -x j2re1.4blahblahblah.deb; then edit the preinst in the DEBIAN directory, rebuild it, and dpkg -i it. |
| 00:45.14 | green_earz | verbose: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods#s-create-floppy >>4.3.1 Writing Disk Images From a Linux or Unix System |
| 00:45.24 | verbose | ah thanks green |
| 00:45.39 | green_earz | np |
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| 00:46.29 | verbose | this is close but i want to do it on windows |
| 00:46.33 | verbose | no linux system yet |
| 00:46.36 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: That's more or less what I tried, but I'll give it a shot. Like to copy something out of preinst for a sec. |
| 00:46.42 | buddy | do i need imap ssl to work with apache-ssl and squirrelmail? |
| 00:46.56 | verbose | darn, i wish it was easier to locate what i'm searching for |
| 00:46.58 | afabian | Anyone know a good place to put ssh-agent on a system running gdm? |
| 00:47.03 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: db_get j2re1.4/license || true |
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| 00:47.13 | cafuego | buddy: it would be handy to have if you wanted to actually acess mail, yes. |
| 00:47.15 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: ...is defined as a function in . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule |
| 00:47.18 | verbose | it should be something like that but it doesnt work... |
| 00:47.18 | verbose | rawrite root.img a: |
| 00:47.23 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: ...but I can't figure out what it's doing. |
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| 00:47.43 | dondelelcaro | k-dog: you'll need the whole set -x; line at the top to figure out what exactly is erroring out. |
| 00:47.44 | green_earz | verbose: have got a copy of knoppix |
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| 00:47.48 | verbose | no |
| 00:47.55 | verbose | i've done this before... worked fine |
| 00:48.11 | verbose | does anyone know the command for windows? |
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| 00:48.16 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: Point. |
| 00:48.30 | buddy | cafuego we are using cyrus-imapd here, i dont see the ssl version for it. |
| 00:48.50 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: rebuild happens how, exactly? 'dpkg-deb --build . ../<package name fully specified with version>' ? |
| 00:49.11 | dondelelcaro | k-dog: dpkg-deb -b . |
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| 00:49.17 | cafuego | buddy: Why would you need an ssl version? Is the imap running on the same host? |
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| 00:49.23 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: That builds a '..deb' file. |
| 00:49.29 | dondelelcaro | k-dog: assuming you've not mucked about with DEBIAN/control or moved usr/ around. |
| 00:49.34 | dondelelcaro | k-dog: yes, which you then dpkg -i; |
| 00:49.55 | buddy | cafuego we have squirrelmail+apache+apache-ssl+postfix+cyrus, we want https://webmail.aasdf.com |
| 00:49.59 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: Ah. |
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| 00:50.10 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: Do I extract to PWD or a subdir? |
| 00:50.27 | dondelelcaro | k-dog: what, with dpkg-deb -x? always CWD. |
| 00:50.36 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: OK. |
| 00:50.54 | cafuego | buddy: So tell squirrelmail to use the imap sevrer on 127.0.0.1 |
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| 00:51.22 | buddy | cafuego ok... |
| 00:51.26 | verbose | this shouldn't be so difficult |
| 00:51.27 | verbose | but it is |
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| 00:52.22 | verbose | does anyone know the answer to my question? |
| 00:52.40 | resiak | verbose: Google probably does. |
| 00:52.41 | verbose | i've gotten rawrite to work before |
| 00:52.54 | verbose | but i found in it the documentation the last time i did it |
| 00:53.13 | verbose | i simply want to copy the imgs to floppies using rawrite |
| 00:53.23 | cafuego | dump the .img on the rawrite exe and type a: <return> |
| 00:53.33 | verbose | oh |
| 00:53.35 | verbose | ok |
| 00:53.41 | verbose | let me try that |
| 00:53.44 | cafuego | don't make it harder then it needs to be |
| 00:53.56 | verbose | well, i was using the command line which should work too |
| 00:54.12 | cafuego | rawrite foo.img <return> a: <return> |
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| 00:54.27 | cafuego | rawrite2 probably, as i doubt you run win98 |
| 00:54.32 | verbose | yes |
| 00:54.35 | verbose | rawrite2 |
| 00:54.44 | verbose | that just opened a prompt and closed it again |
| 00:54.52 | mentor | !tell verbose about enter |
| 00:55.09 | cafuego | mentor: oh, the irony |
| 00:55.18 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.20 | mentor | -v 0 |
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| 00:55.44 | cafuego | sheesh, bob2 keeps multiplying |
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| 00:56.10 | verbose | this is the output i receive |
| 00:56.11 | verbose | RaWrite 2.0 - Write disk file to raw floppy diskette |
| 00:56.11 | verbose | rawrite: 'boot.img' - unknown option. |
| 00:56.11 | verbose | Use 'rawrite -h' for instructions. |
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| 00:56.21 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: Is there a GET command for debconf of some sort? |
| 00:56.31 | mentor | cafuego: crumbs... |
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| 00:56.45 | drac | verbose: rawrite -h for instructions :) |
| 00:56.50 | verbose | yeh |
| 00:56.52 | verbose | i tried that |
| 00:57.43 | verbose | rawrite: 'a:' - unknown option. |
| 00:57.45 | verbose | what? |
| 00:58.01 | buddy | i added stuff to /etc/postfix/aliases but it doesnt seem to do anything for me. any clue? |
| 00:58.23 | cafuego | buddy: postalias hash:/etc/postfix/aliases |
| 00:58.34 | bob2 | so, I guess that machine finally went away |
| 00:58.55 | buddy | cafuego thanks. what about newaliases? |
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| 00:59.04 | k-dog | dondelecaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/98 |
| 00:59.10 | bob2 | newaliases is a debian-specific thing |
| 00:59.12 | mentor | k-dog: debconf-show? |
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| 00:59.13 | bob2 | but it does the same thing |
| 00:59.19 | k-dog | mentor: ?? |
| 00:59.25 | green_earz | verbose: have look at http://webhost.math.rochester.edu/webworkdocs/docs/install/debian |
| 00:59.25 | cafuego | bob2: It's a sendmail command |
| 00:59.35 | bob2 | well |
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| 00:59.44 | bob2 | iirc Debian policy requires all mta's to support it |
| 01:00.01 | verbose | the last time i used rawrite i was adding .bin files to the floppy but that shouldn't matter |
| 01:00.11 | verbose | i'm in a serious bind |
| 01:00.31 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.32 | k-dog | mentor: Ah. *That* appears to help. How do I modify values? |
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| 01:01.02 | verbose | green: what does this mean? |
| 01:01.10 | mentor | k-dog: good question? debconf-set-selections? |
| 01:01.14 | verbose | oooh |
| 01:01.20 | verbose | i need to run it manually maybe |
| 01:01.21 | verbose | i see |
| 01:01.39 | verbose | oh geez do i feel like a complete moron |
| 01:01.44 | verbose | thank you green_earz |
| 01:01.49 | k-dog | mentor: Any idea where/how debconf stores its values? |
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| 01:01.57 | verbose | that was becoming increasingly frustrating |
| 01:02.01 | k-dog | verbose: You'd better check to be sure. There might be parts missing. |
| 01:02.20 | verbose | it worked fine with the woody floppies |
| 01:02.53 | k-dog | mentor: It's text. |
| 01:03.00 | FieldySnuts | !irritate k-dog |
| 01:03.00 | mentor | k-dog: You should start looking for some of these things yourself...'locate debconf' might help...anyway, look in /var/cacche/debconf |
| 01:03.01 | dpkg | k-dog: HELP ME!!! who uses sound plz msg me, geordie |
| 01:03.05 | k-dog | mentor: Found it. |
| 01:03.05 | verbose | i sure hope this resolves the problems i'm having |
| 01:03.08 | FieldySnuts | what's with the random, in-channel nicks? |
| 01:03.17 | k-dog | FieldySnuts: Me? |
| 01:03.22 | k-dog | FieldySnuts: Different locations. |
| 01:03.45 | cafuego | !literal cmd: irritate (.*?) |
| 01:03.45 | dpkg | CMD: irritate (.*?) is ($1): <reply> $1: (Y iz debain so old?|wenas|hi every1|is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q?|HELP ME!!!) (who uses (dvd|sound|kde|gnome|cable) (plz msg me, $randnick|hello?|lol|thx|kk|???/|!!!1)|(how does I run teh (mouse|grafixx windows|quake3|edonkey)|where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol|how can I make my (knoppix|mepis|kanotix|libranet|lindows) werkz) (!!!!|?????|lol|kthx|U FUX0RZ)) |
| 01:03.55 | FieldySnuts | randnick? wow that's slick |
| 01:03.57 | buddy | cafuego: how would i send alluser@asdfasdf.com to EVERYBODY on the system? |
| 01:04.02 | FieldySnuts | so it picks a nick, that's here now. heh |
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| 01:04.15 | cire | my Netgear WG511v1 runs perfectly at home and at work. But at university, I get messages like "timeout waiting for mgmt response 1000, triggering devicde" and "mgmt tx queue is still full". I have no idea what I may do since it works perfectly with any other AP... |
| 01:04.18 | cafuego | buddy: set up an alias that forwards it to all accounts |
| 01:04.22 | S4nD3r_ | hi there |
| 01:04.36 | mentor | S4nD3r_: hi. apologies for the follwoing... |
| 01:04.36 | k-dog | FieldySnuts: ...you accusing me of being random? |
| 01:04.38 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: $randnick obviously gets parsed |
| 01:04.41 | mentor | !nickometer S4nD3r_ |
| 01:04.41 | buddy | cafuego: *@asdfasdf.com ? (= |
| 01:04.41 | dpkg | 'S4nD3r_' is 99.690% lame, mentor |
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| 01:04.51 | green_earz | verbose: 4.3.2. Writing Disk Images From DOS, Windows, or OS/2 >> looks like what you need ? http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html |
| 01:04.55 | S4nD3r_ | hun ?? |
| 01:04.59 | cafuego | buddy: alluser: user1, user2, user3, user4, ... |
| 01:05.07 | k-dog | mentor: Found it: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 01:05.14 | k-dog | mentor: Text tagged fields. |
| 01:05.16 | mentor | \o/ |
| 01:05.18 | mentor | :) |
| 01:05.19 | verbose | well now this seems to be working |
| 01:05.25 | S4nD3r_ | so, how do I install my video card? This is only 800x600 |
| 01:05.30 | buddy | cafuego: is there no way to freakin' wildcard it? |
| 01:05.36 | verbose | it copied root and boot.img successfully but can't copy net-drivers for some odd reason |
| 01:05.42 | mentor | !tell S4nD3r_ about set up x |
| 01:05.43 | cafuego | buddy: magically, no. |
| 01:05.49 | cafuego | !random FieldySnuts |
| 01:05.51 | verbose | or cd-drivers |
| 01:05.53 | buddy | cafuego what about unmagically? |
| 01:06.01 | cafuego | buddy: Still not |
| 01:06.03 | FieldySnuts | amusing |
| 01:06.04 | buddy | k |
| 01:06.05 | buddy | (= |
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| 01:06.23 | mentor | heh |
| 01:06.25 | cafuego | buddy: of course, you can easily script to get a list of accounts. |
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| 01:06.45 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Not quite what I intended, though. |
| 01:06.53 | FieldySnuts | still amusing |
| 01:06.54 | k-dog | mentor: All this pain (scroll back a few hours to the Java rants) to be able to misconfigure an HP printer. |
| 01:07.01 | green_earz | verbose: try a different floppy it may be the problem ? |
| 01:07.14 | FieldySnuts | !literal cmd: blame (.*?) |
| 01:07.14 | dpkg | CMD: blame (.*?) is ($1): <action> blames $1 for (all the evil in the world|the end of (life|culture|the Internet|the world) as we know it) |
| 01:07.23 | verbose | nope |
| 01:07.25 | mentor | k-dog: Ag...is it one with a build in web server and configlet? |
| 01:07.27 | verbose | still no luck |
| 01:07.30 | FieldySnuts | heh, "and also $randnick" would be amusing there |
| 01:07.42 | chealer | /usr/share/doc/vnc-common/faq.html : "This version was edited by Edward Betts and Ola Lundqvist for the Debian Operating System." damn, are they trying to make Debian like DOS? :) |
| 01:07.47 | FieldySnuts | too tempting. i won't touch em |
| 01:07.53 | verbose | i think it's because it is because there is a '-' in the filename |
| 01:07.56 | cafuego | dpkg: cmd: blame (.*?) =~ s/$1 for/$randnick for $1 and/ |
| 01:07.56 | dpkg | OK, cafuego |
| 01:07.57 | k-dog | mentor: Yes. All java based. |
| 01:08.01 | rob_lt | Stupid question... I live in Canada, what should my locale be, and how would I go about configuring it system wide? Should I install localeconf? |
| 01:08.02 | cafuego | !blame FieldySnuts |
| 01:08.20 | verbose | however, it worked when i was copying eg: driver-1.bin for woody |
| 01:08.21 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 01:08.21 | k-dog | mentor: Have you noticed BTW that most of the current appliance router stuff is now pretty much java-free? |
| 01:08.32 | mentor | k-dog: I feel your pain. |
| 01:08.36 | FieldySnuts | that's great |
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| 01:08.48 | k-dog | mentor: Let me give you some more ;-) |
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| 01:08.55 | chealer | rob_lt: that probably depends the language you want |
| 01:09.01 | mentor | k-dog: No. I usually only buy things/appliances that have open specs... |
| 01:09.03 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 01:09.03 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of rabid oxen. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 01:09.09 | k-dog | mentor: Oi. |
| 01:09.09 | scar_ | why is it, that my proftpd, when I try to download files only gets a max speed of 300-400kb/s with a local LAN 100mbit full duplex connection? |
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| 01:10.01 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, I am now setting up the domain name |
| 01:10.08 | vitriol | anybody know of any OSS music composition software? something like Finale |
| 01:10.08 | jair_11 | this is a brand new network |
| 01:10.09 | cafuego | scar_: slow harddisk? shit network card? realtek? |
| 01:10.11 | rob_lt | chealer, I want english |
| 01:10.19 | cafuego | vitriol: ardour? |
| 01:10.19 | mentor | scar_: Are you sure you mean KB/s? |
| 01:10.22 | mentor | uhm |
| 01:10.24 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.24 | mentor | scar_: Are you sure you mean Kb/s? |
| 01:10.25 | spoopin | scar_: might be throttled by configuration defaults |
| 01:10.25 | vitriol | oh :o |
| 01:10.27 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, I am in my own fractional T-1 |
| 01:10.29 | vitriol | cafuego: i'll look at that |
| 01:10.31 | cafuego | vitriol: tho i think that's record/mix |
| 01:10.48 | vitriol | cafuego: oh ...not really what i'm looking for |
| 01:10.51 | scar_ | cafuego, actually no. I had it running beforewith great speed, but after a kernel upgrade its very slow |
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| 01:10.59 | rob_lt | chealer, en_US.UFT-8? Will that be ok? |
| 01:11.07 | cafuego | scar_: is the kernel using the correct IDE controller for your disk? |
| 01:11.08 | rob_lt | chealer, en_US.UTF-8? Will that be ok? |
| 01:11.09 | green_earz | verbose: and write the .img with linux |
| 01:11.12 | scar_ | mentor, yes, whatever it is - was way faster than now |
| 01:11.15 | chealer | rob_lt: I guess so (except for UTF-8 part) |
| 01:11.15 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, I can make the name up, or I shuld use something like ohouse.org because the realone that we are uisng is "onwardhouse.org |
| 01:11.25 | scar_ | sparr_, I changed default config to my own need |
| 01:11.32 | mentor | scar_: Ah well, then...it's hardware/kernel tuning then probably... |
| 01:11.33 | jair_11 | cafuego, I am setting a new test server' |
| 01:11.44 | jair_11 | cafuego, and it is asking me for a domain name |
| 01:11.55 | scar_ | mentor, yes, I had a kernel upgrade before ... but what does it have to do? |
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| 01:12.05 | jair_11 | cafuego, we have already a network configure with one of our 6 usable ips |
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| 01:12.32 | foo | hmm, I got crossover office for mandrake system, it's an rpm. Is there anyway I can get that working under debian? The rpm isn't mandrake specific, but it is an rpm |
| 01:12.34 | jair_11 | cafuego, and apologize me to send the message to you but I know you are experienced in debian |
| 01:12.36 | rob_lt | chealer, why not UTF-8? I'm using localeconf, and it has given me a list of locales. en_US..... ?? |
| 01:12.42 | jair_11 | cafuego, ok sorry |
| 01:12.49 | cafuego | jair_11: Ah, i was wondering about the $randnick |
| 01:13.00 | chealer | rob_lt: UTF-8 should work |
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| 01:13.25 | cafuego | jair_11: Surely you know the domain name. if not, just enter 'domain.local' |
| 01:13.28 | rob_lt | chealer, ok, thanks alot |
| 01:13.38 | Nalioth | where would i put a program i want to start when i log in? my .xinitrc is full of xfce crap (and i think the file is disregarded cuz none of the stuff in it runs automatically) |
| 01:13.40 | jair_11 | cafuego, I will explain to you really quick |
| 01:13.41 | verbose | i absolutely CANNOT copy net-drivers.img |
| 01:13.51 | verbose | boot and root.img worked fine |
| 01:13.57 | jair_11 | cafuego, we have a fractional T-1 comming from the ISP |
| 01:14.10 | jair_11 | cafuego, we also have 6 static IP addresses |
| 01:14.42 | jair_11 | cafuego, we are currently using the .71 for the router wich is a modem for t-1 or CSU/DSU |
| 01:14.43 | buddy | cafuego thanks. |
| 01:14.56 | jair_11 | cafuego, are you undesrstanding so far? |
| 01:15.11 | cafuego | jair_11: Yes, you have a /29 |
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| 01:15.22 | mentor | scar_: I should imagine, things like checking the correct hard disk dma modes aare on, irq tuning, maybe some tcp buffer resizing... |
| 01:15.42 | cafuego | jair_11: x.x.x.70/255.255.255.248 I expect. |
| 01:15.50 | jair_11 | cafuego, ok then we have already using the .72 for the network, |
| 01:15.55 | jair_11 | cafuego, correct |
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| 01:16.01 | green_earz | verbose: down load it again it worth a try |
| 01:16.14 | verbose | tried that |
| 01:16.17 | cafuego | thr network address is .70, the broadcast .77 |
| 01:16.19 | verbose | probably too long of a name |
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| 01:16.33 | cafuego | You should be able to use .71-.76 for machines |
| 01:16.36 | jair_11 | cafuego, now I put a hub before the CSU/DSU connect with the smoothwall that we use as a gateway from the inside to outside |
| 01:16.50 | verbose | too long |
| 01:16.53 | k-dog | mentor: Thanks, good tip. |
| 01:17.05 | scar_ | mentor, well, I did not change any configurations at all ... is just won't get faster! |
| 01:17.12 | jair_11 | cafuego, I add a hub right after the CSU/DSU and now I can use the IP static .73 for a test network |
| 01:17.20 | jair_11 | cafuego, are you following me? |
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| 01:17.35 | verbose | will debian recognize cd.img instead of cd-drivers.img? |
| 01:17.37 | verbose | does anyone know |
| 01:17.45 | verbose | this is the only way i can copy it |
| 01:17.46 | jair_11 | cafuego, it is a company that host our web site already using a different IP that is not from our |
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| 01:18.03 | jair_11 | cafuego, the organization web site is "onwardhouse.org" |
| 01:18.18 | jair_11 | cafuego, the network is using a domain name onward_house |
| 01:18.23 | jair_11 | cafuego, the network is using a domain name onward_house.local |
| 01:18.30 | scar_ | mentor, the strange thing is, if I upload to it, it gets full speed |
| 01:18.37 | green_earz | verbose: do you have a dsl connection if so try damn small linux cd so you can write them under linux |
| 01:18.42 | jair_11 | cafuego, so now on this test network I can use something like that too right? |
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| 01:18.46 | cafuego | jair_11: Set the domain to onwardhosue.org - not some made up derivative. |
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| 01:19.04 | penguins | does anyone know how to set the resolution in gnome over 800x600? |
| 01:19.06 | jair_11 | cafuego, so i will have two? |
| 01:19.06 | steve | anybody know how I forward between different subnets (on different NICs)? I've tried setting ip_forward to 1 but it's not working |
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| 01:19.36 | penguins | does anyone know how to set the resolution in gnome over 800x600? |
| 01:19.41 | jair_11 | cafuego, I will have the domain name of the real network onward_house.local and the new test server onward_house.local? |
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| 01:20.05 | jair_11 | cafuego, I will be using this new server for email/web/mysql servers testing |
| 01:20.15 | bucky | steve use masquerade rules in iptables.. netfilter.org |
| 01:20.28 | blechx | does anyone know if the "nasa open source"-license is concidered free software? |
| 01:20.32 | BrettMeister | Hi there. Just did the Debian Installer. Looks good. Apt-get install Kde. Seemed to go okay. I can login to debian just fine. Here's where I'm a stark ravin' noob. How do I get into the K Desktop? |
| 01:20.40 | penguins | how do you set the resolution in gnome to be over 800x600 |
| 01:20.44 | fsanders | hi, I'm using the debian/testing release, and I was wondering how I could install/use gcc 3.4 as the default, as it stands now the proper sym links to gcc don't seem to exist. If I missed a document regarding this somewhere and you can point me to it I would really apreciate it. |
| 01:20.50 | penguins | *600 |
| 01:20.51 | jair_11 | cafuego, what do you suggest? |
| 01:20.55 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: the domain name should be something that resolves to your machine, ideally something that resolves remotely as well to your machine. |
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| 01:21.09 | bucky | BrettMeister, startkde ? |
| 01:21.14 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, correct |
| 01:21.15 | dondelelcaro | fsanders: you can, but it's probably not idea. Just set CC if you need to use gcc-3.4 |
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| 01:21.26 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: other than that, set it to whatever you want. |
| 01:21.29 | fsanders | penguins: maybe ctrl-alt-+ |
| 01:21.31 | BrettMeister | bucky: Thanks...I'll try it. |
| 01:21.59 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, the one resolve remotely now is the "onwardhouse.org" but is for the real network and resolve to a different IP static to but different. |
| 01:22.04 | penguins | fsanders: it doesn't work |
| 01:22.18 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, I think I can set it to anything |
| 01:22.35 | jair_11 | because is static, to connect I will have to use the ip anyway |
| 01:22.38 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: it can be anything, but it should resolve to an interface that is local to the ip |
| 01:22.43 | fsanders | is it just with gnome, or whenever you're in x-windows? |
| 01:22.45 | green_earz | BrettMeister: do you have a login manager install gdm or kdm |
| 01:22.47 | chealer | rob_lt: looks like there's also an en_CA... |
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| 01:23.00 | penguins | fsanders: whenever i'm in x |
| 01:23.01 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, the IP is static 67.12.34.73 |
| 01:23.18 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: yes, that's fine... but you still need a hostname that resolves to 67.12.34.73 |
| 01:23.25 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, the gateway is the CSU/DSU using the 67.12.34.71 |
| 01:23.27 | fsanders | you'll have to reconfigure X, it probably doesn't have the proper settings for your video card/monitor setup. |
| 01:23.31 | BrettMeister | green_earz: I doubt it because I'm not sure what you are talking about. |
| 01:23.49 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, so it can be any host name then? |
| 01:23.52 | penguins | fsanders: thanks, I'll try |
| 01:23.52 | fsanders | there are alot of documents online |
| 01:24.00 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: so long as it resolves to 67.12.34.73, yes. |
| 01:24.34 | green_earz | BrettMeister: gdm or kdm is the app that you login into your desktop with |
| 01:24.41 | fsanders | if you have your monitor manual nearby you can do the manual stuff through xf86config |
| 01:24.48 | fsanders | well wait |
| 01:25.07 | jair_11 | resolve means? that wehn i type on the internet from my home ohouse.org will resolve -> 67.12.34.73 |
| 01:25.13 | fsanders | I say that and then I remember that that last time I used x/ linux as a desktop was before the x.org fork. |
| 01:25.21 | BrettMeister | green_earz: Advice? What do you think I should check next? Kde is the only thing that I have installed so far. |
| 01:25.31 | caphuso | run 'dpkg -l crossover\* | grep ^ii' and paste the output, if any |
| 01:25.35 | caphuso | damn |
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| 01:25.40 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: primarily that when you type ping foohostname; from the machine you ping 67.12.34.73 |
| 01:25.46 | jair_11 | I don't know I know that if I type this I will connect to this server -> 67.12.34.73 thedomain will be the same ohouse |
| 01:25.57 | green_earz | BrettMeister: and its up and runing ok with startkde ? |
| 01:26.01 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:26.12 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, so i will choose ohouse.org |
| 01:26.36 | fsanders | dondelelcaro: just set it manually? |
| 01:26.37 | jair_11 | I don't think that anybody have it I check in godady |
| 01:26.41 | jair_11 | godaddy |
| 01:26.45 | BrettMeister | green_earz: Nope....goes through a couple of things and then repeats over infinitum Kpersonalizer no x- something found. |
| 01:26.54 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, it is ok? |
| 01:27.00 | bucky | BrettMeister, apt-get install x-window-system x-window-system-core |
| 01:27.52 | asg | bucky: x-window-system includes x-window-system-core |
| 01:28.09 | bucky | ok |
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| 01:28.30 | BrettMeister | Thanks all. I'll try that. |
| 01:28.35 | green_earz | BrettMeister: as bucky said you need apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:29.21 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, I will have to make the name on no-ip or something like that? |
| 01:29.33 | jair_11 | or I will have to buy another domain name? |
| 01:29.41 | coruptkid | im trying to run a built UML 2.6.11.8 kernel and i'm getting the error "execvp of 'xterm" failed - errno = 2". What could this be? |
| 01:29.45 | jair_11 | we use currently "onwardhouse.org |
| 01:29.46 | jair_11 | " |
| 01:30.05 | kanelo | hi |
| 01:30.08 | dondelelcaro | fsanders: yes, ala CC=gcc-3.4 ./configure ... |
| 01:30.24 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: you probably want something like foomachine.onwardhouse.org |
| 01:30.33 | fsanders | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:30.42 | green_earz | BrettMeister: and here a couple of any links http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 01:31.11 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, what do you think? I think I am confuse. but the thing is though that the company that host "onwardhouse.org" is another company and they use their own static IP. |
| 01:31.21 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.35 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, so I can use anything |
| 01:32.13 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, the IP I have is static, so I can just go and type: http://67.12.34.73 and I will be able to access the web site |
| 01:32.33 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, if I have a web server = apacche running my test site |
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| 01:32.40 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, I am wrong? |
| 01:32.40 | verbose | ok... details |
| 01:32.57 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, and also a FTP, or MYSQL or Email server? |
| 01:33.02 | verbose | i put the debian netinst cd in and it said it was a non-debian cd |
| 01:33.21 | verbose | i had to do this for the installation to see if it was capable of being mounted |
| 01:33.30 | verbose | this could be for two reasons... |
| 01:33.33 | jair_11 | for sarge debian is better use GRUB as a boot loader |
| 01:33.49 | BrettMeister | green_earz: Thanks for the links. I have read through a lot of the Debian docs. I think that there was so much there I started getting overwhelmed. Thanks for your patience. |
| 01:33.50 | verbose | the cd was not made bootable or the files are not extracted from the iso |
| 01:33.59 | jair_11 | I already install it |
| 01:34.06 | jair_11 | now If I want to install sshd? |
| 01:34.08 | verbose | do the files need to be burned to the cd or can the iso be burned alone? |
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| 01:34.12 | green_earz | np |
| 01:34.13 | asg | jair_11: apt-get install ssh |
| 01:34.21 | jair_11 | asg, cool |
| 01:34.22 | verbose | any ideas why the cd is a non-debian cd? |
| 01:34.26 | asg | jair_11: very |
| 01:34.37 | jair_11 | asg, this server will run only text mode. |
| 01:34.39 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 01:34.52 | asg | jair_11: as all servers should |
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| 01:35.39 | green_earz | verbose: for the net install cd http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 01:36.47 | jair_11 | asg, nice :) |
| 01:36.53 | verbose | but do you have any ideas why it is seen as a non-debian cd in floppy installation |
| 01:37.13 | jetscreamer | grub or lilo doesn't matter, grub is the new default though |
| 01:37.19 | asg | verbose: what indicates that a non-debian install is taking place? |
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| 01:37.30 | astronut | wtf happened to apt-file in sid? |
| 01:37.41 | asg | astronut: the bts would know |
| 01:37.43 | jetscreamer | verbose: i thought the floppy just downloaded stuff |
| 01:38.07 | jetscreamer | i have apt file, is it borked or missing |
| 01:38.08 | verbose | i loaded the sarge floppy cd-drivers.img |
| 01:38.10 | asg | astronut: however, it is working fine here and I updated 15 minutes ago |
| 01:38.17 | astronut | asg: hmm |
| 01:38.18 | verbose | and inserted the cd... non-debian |
| 01:38.22 | astronut | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=307833 |
| 01:38.25 | astronut | got curl errr |
| 01:38.28 | astronut | installed curl |
| 01:38.30 | astronut | and got somethingw eird |
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| 01:38.45 | green_earz | verbose: i bet its got a error |
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| 01:39.06 | verbose | my cd burner is old and is probably prone to errors |
| 01:39.23 | verbose | am i only required to burn the iso or do i have to extract the files and burn all of them that way |
| 01:39.32 | verbose | the iso should work, correct> |
| 01:39.45 | verbose | should i try burning it again? |
| 01:40.05 | rommer | burn the iso image |
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| 01:40.17 | green_earz | verbose: have you down loaded the net installer cd ? the 110 meg size |
| 01:40.24 | IDC | How do i fix this error -> error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:40.33 | verbose | it's 104mb |
| 01:41.00 | asg | verbose: did you get it from www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer ? |
| 01:41.01 | green_earz | verbose: and it boots ok ? |
| 01:41.04 | rommer | verbose: net isntall |
| 01:41.22 | verbose | ues i did |
| 01:41.26 | lunaphyte | why might apcupsd not notify when communication is lost, but it does when communication is restored? |
| 01:41.30 | verbose | the floppies work fine |
| 01:41.43 | astronut | asg: it's broken, not sure why |
| 01:41.50 | astronut | bugs 307833, 307871, 307973 |
| 01:41.57 | astronut | 971* |
| 01:41.58 | astronut | for middle |
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| 01:42.03 | asg | astronut: work fine here. (I have curl and libcurl3 installed) |
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| 01:42.12 | astronut | asg: lastest sid? |
| 01:42.18 | verbose | should i make it bootable or does that not matter? |
| 01:42.19 | asg | astronut: as of 15 minutes ago |
| 01:42.22 | astronut | hmm, your apt mirror update yet today? |
| 01:42.23 | verbose | i'm assuming it doesn't |
| 01:42.46 | asg | astronut: I'm using www.debian.org |
| 01:42.47 | green_earz | verbose: to check its integrity let you install get the net set up part of the install. then use the go back option to take you to the main menu and there you can check the cd integrity |
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| 01:43.10 | asg | astronut: or rather ftp.debian.org |
| 01:43.13 | green_earz | verbose: sorry network setup |
| 01:43.22 | astronut | hmm |
| 01:43.22 | verbose | i'm using nero |
| 01:43.23 | astronut | weird |
| 01:43.33 | astronut | what version? |
| 01:43.37 | astronut | dpkg -l | grep apt-file |
| 01:43.38 | dpkg | grep apt-file 3.6-1.2 astronut's private stamp collection |
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| 01:43.49 | astronut | ...... |
| 01:43.57 | astronut | bot, shut up |
| 01:44.06 | asg | astronut: 2.0.5 |
| 01:44.10 | astronut | hmm |
| 01:44.10 | astronut | weird |
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| 01:44.25 | astronut | chekc those bugs |
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| 01:45.04 | green_earz | verbose: the problem may be poor cd medium or a error on the download |
| 01:45.22 | verbose | should i try burning at 4x instead of 2x? |
| 01:45.27 | verbose | that very well could be |
| 01:45.48 | astronut | asg: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=307973 and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=307971 |
| 01:45.51 | verbose | i'll try again |
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| 01:46.06 | green_earz | verbose: check the integrity of the cd when it booted by getting back to the main menu of the installer |
| 01:46.23 | verbose | oh, i wasn't aware of this option |
| 01:46.28 | verbose | i'm burning another cd right now |
| 01:46.34 | BrettMeister | green_earz: Installed the x-window-system. After boot and to the login the last message before the login prompt says: "Not starting X display manager (xdm); it is no the default display manager." |
| 01:46.41 | verbose | hopefully one or the other will work |
| 01:46.59 | verbose | i'll have it verify written data |
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| 01:47.45 | asg | astronut: oh, then wait for the bugs to be fixed (or submit a patch that fixes them.) Welcome to sid |
| 01:47.55 | astronut | asg: ah, this guy has patch |
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| 01:48.04 | astronut | still...annoying that such a core utility let such an obvious bug thorugh |
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| 01:48.24 | asg | astronut: welcome to sid (/msg dpkg sid faq (see the horrid bugs section)) |
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| 01:48.36 | astronut | ya |
| 01:48.37 | astronut | ya, i know |
| 01:48.39 | kanelo | BrettMeister you can do dpkg--reconfigure xfree-server(i don't know well) ?! |
| 01:48.43 | dhruv | hi, i'm trying to figure what something in the screen shot is: http://www.gentoo.org/images/shots/wschlich.png . I don't know what the console program is that is being used in the upper left. It's like screen with tabs..Does anyone have any idea what it is? |
| 01:48.46 | asg | astronut: and apt-file isn't a core utility but a hack addon |
| 01:48.53 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 307973 |
| 01:48.55 | asg | astronut: useful, but a hack nontheless |
| 01:48.57 | dpkg | #307973:I[apt-file] apt-file update fails if I use ftp:// in apt/sources.list Fri, 6 May 2005 23:03:01 UTC |
| 01:49.19 | aum | hi - apache2 fails to start up when modules mod_python and mod_rewrite are both configured to load - error.log says '[error] (28)No space left on device: mod_python: Failed to create global mutex 2 of 20 (/tmp/mpmtx108702)' - running on debian testing with 2.6.8 kernel - my disks have tons of free space - any ideas? |
| 01:49.22 | dondelelcaro | plus, it's not like most people use ftp URIs anymore anyway. |
| 01:49.27 | BrettMeister | kanelo: Thanks for the response. I'll try it. |
| 01:49.38 | green_earz | BrettMeister: apt-get remove xdm and apt-get install kdm |
| 01:49.42 | asg | dhruv: centericq |
| 01:49.47 | dondelelcaro | aum: what does df -h; and df -i; say? |
| 01:49.56 | kanelo | BrettMeister but it's better if you do vi /etc/X11/XF86config |
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| 01:50.37 | IDC | I need a file libssl.so.2,in which package i can get it from ? on sarge |
| 01:50.41 | BrettMeister | green_earz: But kdm has already been installed. Just remove the xdm? |
| 01:50.45 | asg | IDC: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:50.48 | aum | dondelelcaro: both say there's heaps of space |
| 01:50.56 | dhruv | asg: ah, it's not a shell |
| 01:50.56 | paulo | mrs... i don't know how, my my cdrom device (/dev/hdb) was deleted. There is a way to recriate it, using mknod or another tool? |
| 01:50.58 | BrettMeister | kanelo: What does your suggested command do? |
| 01:50.59 | green_earz | BrettMeister: i would do |
| 01:51.06 | asg | dhruv: no, it's an IM program |
| 01:51.20 | dondelelcaro | aum: just paste the output using #flood or the paster bot. |
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| 01:51.36 | dhruv | asg: thanks a lot, though screen with tabs would have been useful.... |
| 01:51.38 | dhruv | oh well |
| 01:52.01 | asg | dhruv: screen doesn't need tabs ;) |
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| 01:52.08 | asg | dhruv: the tabs are in your mind |
| 01:52.17 | verbose | ok, let me try this cd |
| 01:52.22 | verbose | this one seemed to go better |
| 01:52.27 | green_earz | BrettMeister: do kde start up with startkde ? |
| 01:52.32 | IDC | dpkg Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libssl.so.2' returned no res |
| 01:52.34 | verbose | i didn't notice the last one ejecting at the end so... hopefully |
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| 01:52.45 | dhruv | asg: so hard to keep track sometimes, we all don't have your mensa abilities |
| 01:52.50 | dondelelcaro | aum: and ls -ld /tmp? |
| 01:53.14 | kanelo | BrettMeister in /etc/x11/.... you can do with vi the same like dpkg--reconfigure xfree-server (xfree86-server¿?) |
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| 01:53.24 | asg | dhruv: CTRL+A+" |
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| 01:54.10 | dhruv | asg: oh that is useful, thanks! |
| 01:54.11 | dondelelcaro | aum: ok... well, from what you're showing me, there's no way that mod_python should be failing with that error message. |
| 01:54.15 | asg | dhruv: you're welcome |
| 01:54.33 | aum | dondelelcaro: that's what confuses me |
| 01:54.52 | dondelelcaro | aum: run strace -o apache.strace apache2 -X; and see if it fails. then check apache.strace; |
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| 01:55.38 | BrettMeister | green_earz: When I enter startkde it just gets locked into a loop of "Kpersonalizer: cannot connect to the X server. |
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| 01:56.43 | clav | what do ii and rc meand in a dpkg -l ? |
| 01:56.47 | leira | some apps will become cannot input from keyboard sometime on my PC, especially the ones based on gtk2 |
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| 01:57.09 | leira | has someone meat same problem? |
| 01:57.28 | asg | clav: ii == installed as intended, rc == removed but configurations files were saved |
| 01:57.35 | green_earz | BrettMeister: and when you installed kde it was apt-get install kde ? |
| 01:57.36 | aum | dondelelcaro: apache.strace output at http://www.freenet.org.nz/apache.strace |
| 01:57.53 | clav | asg, cheers |
| 01:57.53 | leira | for example, this xchat, will sometimes cannot type in it anymore~ |
| 01:58.03 | BrettMeister | green_earz: Yes. |
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| 01:58.30 | wept | upgrading clamav-daemon in sid seems to just hang indefinitely....anyone else have this issue? |
| 01:58.32 | clav | how can one locate orphan packages? |
| 01:58.42 | asg | clav: deborphan, debfoster |
| 01:59.10 | clav | asg, thanks again |
| 01:59.14 | asg | clav: you're welcome |
| 01:59.16 | paulo | <clav> asg, cheers |
| 01:59.16 | paulo | <leira> for example, this xchat, will sometimes cannot type in it anymore~ |
| 01:59.17 | paulo | <BrettMeister> green_earz: Yes. |
| 01:59.17 | paulo | -:- SignOff scar_: #debian ("AES baby!!") |
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| 01:59.54 | asg | paulo: way to fat-finger that cut-n-paste |
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| 02:00.37 | green_earz | BrettMeister: the way i install desktop is to install x-window-system-core first and get xserver up and runing. the apt-get install kde-core for a lighter desktop |
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| 02:01.03 | asg | green_earz: kde and light do not belong in the same sentence ;) |
| 02:01.38 | green_earz | asg: would the word smaller suit you ? |
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| 02:01.49 | paulo | asg: sorry, mouse sucks :) |
| 02:01.49 | NP_complete | hi all! |
| 02:01.49 | kanelo | green_earz gnome.... |
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| 02:02.19 | asg | green_earz: ;) |
| 02:02.47 | NP_complete | i need to Use oracle SQL on my debian sarge, best choice, where to find it? |
| 02:02.58 | asg | NP_complete: oracle.com |
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| 02:05.01 | green_earz | good night all |
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| 02:07.02 | pestilence | could somebody give me some guidance: i'm trying to play a dvd in woody with xine...is there a quick and simple way to do this? |
| 02:07.16 | jetscreamer | xine-check |
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| 02:07.20 | jetscreamer | it's in the menu |
| 02:07.37 | pestilence | but don't i need libcss? |
| 02:07.59 | jetscreamer | libdvdcss2 iirc |
| 02:08.07 | pestilence | right, not available in woody |
| 02:08.10 | jetscreamer | and it may not be in the4 menu just run it in xterm |
| 02:08.15 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 02:08.15 | dpkg | marillat is, like, an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 02:08.25 | jetscreamer | get it there |
| 02:08.36 | pestilence | ah ok |
| 02:08.38 | pestilence | thanks |
| 02:08.43 | jetscreamer | np |
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| 02:10.10 | pestilence | arrrgh...it tells me "too many connections from this IP, and then tells me somebody else's IP" |
| 02:10.18 | pestilence | *misplaced quotes |
| 02:10.46 | pestilence | Server refused our connection and said: Too many connections (2) from this IP |
| 02:10.55 | pestilence | [IP: 62.4.17.14 21] |
| 02:10.59 | pestilence | which is not my ip |
| 02:11.18 | Guerin | pestilence: it's probably your ISP's transparent proxy |
| 02:11.21 | aum | dondelelcaro: found a semaphore leak |
| 02:11.27 | Guerin | pestilence: www.whatismyip.com |
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| 02:11.53 | Apage43 | beep-media-player: relocation error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_option_context_new |
| 02:11.59 | Apage43 | Or any other gtk app |
| 02:12.22 | pestilence | Guerin: i know what my ip address is, and that's not even in the same subnet |
| 02:12.29 | Wyzard | pestilence: 62.4.17.14 is the FTP server's IP (ftp.nerim.net) |
| 02:12.37 | pestilence | oh :) |
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| 02:12.52 | IDC | Does anyone know any DDNS provider offers free DDNS service that support the domains like www.123.com ? |
| 02:13.05 | IDC | plus that,the client must support Linux platform |
| 02:13.06 | Apage43 | freedns.afraid.org |
| 02:13.09 | asg | IDC: dyndns.com |
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| 02:13.21 | IDC | asg, That one isn't free |
| 02:13.22 | Wyzard | asg: I don't think DynDNS does custom domains for free |
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| 02:13.32 | pestilence | ok, so now i've installed libdvdcss2, but i guess i need a xine plugin to use it. any ideas? |
| 02:13.47 | Wyzard | IDC: They're free for a certain number of names under domains they own |
| 02:13.53 | asg | IDC: it is |
| 02:13.56 | IDC | Wyzard, yeah :( |
| 02:14.05 | asg | Wyzard: not for custom domains as you said |
| 02:14.15 | Wyzard | asg: which is what he's asking for |
| 02:14.40 | positrix | where do i configure which kernel modules load at boot? |
| 02:14.47 | Wyzard | positrix: /etc/modules |
| 02:14.47 | asg | positrix: /etc/modules |
| 02:14.49 | dondelelcaro | positrix: modconf |
| 02:14.56 | positrix | thanks |
| 02:15.05 | asg | Wyzard: didn't look that way to me but I'll take your word for it. |
| 02:15.17 | karsten | pestilence: To where? |
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| 02:15.48 | atuttiplen | i can read this on Oracle homepage: I am not a citizen, national or resident of, and am not under the control of, the government of: Cuba, Iran, Sudan, Libya, North Korea, Syria, nor any other country to which the United States has prohibited export. |
| 02:16.06 | Wyzard | asg: Having them manage your own domain name is part of their "Custom DNS" service, which is not free... http://www.dyndns.org/services/dns/custom/ |
| 02:16.07 | atuttiplen | such a suckers, puag!! nazis |
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| 02:16.44 | asg | Wyzard: his original question said nothing about custom management |
| 02:17.05 | Wyzard | asg: <IDC> Does anyone know any DDNS provider offers free DDNS service that support the domains like www.123.com ? |
| 02:17.18 | pestilence | karsten: huh? |
| 02:17.20 | Caradoc | Wow, I didn't realize that dyndns charges a yearly fee now. I signed up when there was a flat lifetime fee. |
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| 02:17.32 | Wyzard | asg: I interpret "www.123.com" to mean "my own domain name, not one of theirs" |
| 02:17.33 | bucky | atuttiplen, so are you a terrorist? |
| 02:17.41 | Wyzard | Caradoc: Yep... they made that change about two years ago, I think |
| 02:17.43 | IDC | asg, :) |
| 02:17.47 | IDC | never mind |
| 02:17.52 | atuttiplen | hahah |
| 02:17.53 | atuttiplen | http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/htdocs/devlic.html?http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/oracle10g/htdocs/linuxsoft.html |
| 02:18.03 | IDC | I barely have chance to be luck with that |
| 02:18.04 | atuttiplen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.06 | Wyzard | Caradoc: Users who had already paid the one-time fee continue to get lifetime service, but new users can't sign up for that |
| 02:18.06 | asg | Wyzard: I understood 123 to be equal to foo. If I'm wrong, then disregard what I said. |
| 02:18.27 | atuttiplen | I think that shit is ridiculus! |
| 02:18.36 | bucky | don't use it |
| 02:18.41 | Wyzard | asg: Exactly what I meant... but you need Custom DNS service to manage arbitrary domains with DynDNS |
| 02:18.44 | Caradoc | Wyzard ok, cool. I still use their service, but honestly, I haven't checked the web page in a long time. |
| 02:18.58 | atuttiplen | USA bombed japan twice, they sre the fucking terrorist, o my god! |
| 02:19.01 | asg | Wyzard: agreed, the mistake is mine |
| 02:19.08 | rj__ | uh. i just rm -rf'ed /var/lib, but did a ctrl+c like as soon as i typed the command, it looks like the only directory that was removed was /var/lib/apt |
| 02:19.10 | Wyzard | atuttiplen: Stop trolling |
| 02:19.10 | rj__ | how can i fix this |
| 02:19.32 | bucky | atuttiplen, yep.. we bombed em after pearl harbor and bombed 'em good |
| 02:19.37 | atuttiplen | lol |
| 02:19.54 | karsten | pestilence: 19:10 < pestilence> arrrgh...it tells me "too many connections from this IP, |
| 02:20.01 | atuttiplen | bucky: what do you know about atomic bomb? |
| 02:20.14 | atuttiplen | bucky: do you know about radiation? |
| 02:20.39 | atuttiplen | bucky: MAsters of war, seems to have VERY BAD MANERS!! |
| 02:20.50 | bucky | atuttiplen, if you survive.. your burns develop keloid scarring which is painful |
| 02:21.06 | bucky | subcutaneous bleeding |
| 02:21.20 | jetscreamer | so should we be hollering troll/spammer/ops!!! |
| 02:21.25 | Caradoc | bucky don't feed the trolls |
| 02:21.26 | bucky | water in the body is turned into hydrogen pyroxide |
| 02:21.32 | asg | jetscreamer: we should be asking for a bacon sandwich |
| 02:21.34 | atuttiplen | ok, excuse me |
| 02:21.40 | jetscreamer | mmm bacon |
| 02:21.41 | bucky | it's nasty |
| 02:21.55 | atuttiplen | yeah, too much |
| 02:22.36 | atuttiplen | people should talk more about this kind of subjects. |
| 02:22.45 | asg | atuttiplen: but not in #debian |
| 02:22.56 | atuttiplen | yeah, i know |
| 02:23.20 | jetscreamer | !sammich |
| 02:23.28 | rj__ | for the record, rm -rf /var/lib/apt = bad. |
| 02:23.37 | asg | rj__: we know |
| 02:23.56 | asg | rj__: that's why the value of regular backups should not be underestimated. |
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| 02:24.00 | jetscreamer | go to packages.debian.org and download the .deb(s) for apt and then use dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 02:24.09 | atuttiplen | I will not use the Programs for, and will not allow the Programs to be used for, any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, for the development, design, manufacture or production of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons of mass destruction. |
| 02:24.13 | atuttiplen | this is LOL!!!!!!! |
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| 02:24.21 | jetscreamer | god dude fuggoff |
| 02:24.30 | rj__ | jetscreamer: i just did that, except now i'am getting errors like |
| 02:24.31 | rj__ | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libgnutls11' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 02:24.31 | rj__ | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libwrap0' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 02:24.31 | rj__ | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `liblockfile1' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
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| 02:24.38 | rj__ | oops, didnt mean to post that |
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| 02:24.51 | jetscreamer | i have no idea what to tell you :( |
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| 02:25.00 | asg | atuttiplen: the last time I entered the US, I was asked if I had parrots, snails, or cheese (on a convenient flier handed out 30 minutes or so before landing.) |
| 02:25.08 | jetscreamer | i'll have to try that on purpose some day |
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| 02:25.21 | atuttiplen | lol |
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| 02:25.41 | atuttiplen | I just have to do somo homework! not to start a war |
| 02:26.23 | jetscreamer | i want my wife to leave so i can crank the donnas |
| 02:26.28 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 02:26.45 | Guerin | well, just while we're sharing |
| 02:26.51 | Guerin | i have to go drinking in seoul |
| 02:26.59 | asg | Guerin: off you go then |
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| 02:27.01 | jetscreamer | ooo i have 5b beers left |
| 02:27.13 | Guerin | !hex 5b |
| 02:27.15 | dpkg | 5b is 35 62 |
| 02:27.20 | Guerin | grr |
| 02:27.23 | asg | that's alot of beers |
| 02:27.23 | jetscreamer | (typo) |
| 02:27.33 | asg | s/alot/a lot/ |
| 02:27.35 | atuttiplen | asg: parrots? why? |
| 02:27.39 | concept10 | I have two left and they are hot |
| 02:27.39 | Guerin | asg: thank you |
| 02:27.39 | jetscreamer | !hex 5 |
| 02:27.39 | dpkg | 5 is 35 |
| 02:27.41 | pestilence | karsten: marillat |
| 02:27.45 | jetscreamer | wtf??? |
| 02:27.48 | asg | atuttiplen: at the time, I think the must made the shit up. |
| 02:27.51 | jetscreamer | !hex 05 |
| 02:27.51 | dpkg | 05 is 30 35 |
| 02:27.52 | pestilence | karsten: sorry, doing too many things at the same time |
| 02:27.55 | karsten | pestilence: OK. |
| 02:27.57 | jetscreamer | wtf? |
| 02:27.58 | karsten | pestilence: Dittos. |
| 02:27.59 | pestilence | it's cleared up now |
| 02:28.16 | Wyzard | asg: Probably because of diseases that parrots can carry, or something like that |
| 02:28.29 | jetscreamer | !help hex |
| 02:28.34 | Guerin | avian flu |
| 02:28.37 | atuttiplen | asg: i have to do some SQL homework, and i find this shit of agreement!! that's stupid, they are paranoids! |
| 02:28.41 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:28.44 | asg | Wyzard: possibly but my aunt, on a flight a week earlier, got neither the cheese, parrots, nor snails. |
| 02:28.48 | Guerin | didn't ask if you had any chickens, though |
| 02:28.51 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.00 | jetscreamer | !hex Guerin |
| 02:29.00 | dpkg | Guerin is 47 75 65 72 69 6E |
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| 02:29.20 | Guerin | oh, the hex is upon me |
| 02:29.25 | asg | Wyzard: they did harass her about the pork pie contraband she was smuggling though. |
| 02:29.29 | jetscreamer | but only in binary |
| 02:29.38 | jetscreamer | !binary Guerin |
| 02:29.47 | jetscreamer | !octal Guerin |
| 02:29.52 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 02:30.19 | jetscreamer | hey come to think of it |
| 02:30.23 | DebzOrNot | somebody has abnt2 keyboard ? |
| 02:30.37 | jetscreamer | if 32 bit is base 16 (?) is 64 bit base 32? |
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| 02:31.40 | rommer | is there such thing? |
| 02:31.44 | abonilla | Hi. I created a script and I can't get it to work on boot. is in /etc/init.d/ then I did chmod 755 filename then I did update-rc.d -n filename defaults but doesn't work on boot. |
| 02:31.46 | abonilla | :( |
| 02:31.59 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 02:31.59 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 02:32.19 | abonilla | Guerin, what else do you want to know? it doesn't load on boot! |
| 02:32.38 | Guerin | doesn't run at all? fails to run with an error message? ?? |
| 02:32.54 | abonilla | should it load, with what I did? |
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| 02:33.00 | atuttiplen | mye |
| 02:33.01 | hacim | on newer motherboards there is a 20-pin ATX connector, as well as a 4 pin connector, do I need both of them for the system to power up? |
| 02:33.14 | abonilla | hacim, yes. |
| 02:33.15 | Guerin | abonilla: probably |
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| 02:33.34 | abonilla | hacim, the 16 pin and then a moller around the CPU. |
| 02:33.38 | hacim | abonilla: hmf, so the power supply I have, which does not have the 4-pin will not work |
| 02:33.40 | abonilla | Guerin, ah so you don't know. |
| 02:33.51 | Guerin | abonilla: no.. there are other factors at work |
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| 02:33.58 | hacim | abonilla: its a 20-pin, not 16 |
| 02:34.27 | edt | not using apt/dpkg, how do you test if gtk+, libgnome, libgnomeui and libglade are on your box and test their release (what is ./configure testing???) |
| 02:34.27 | xsieve | How do you know what packages are orphaned because there is a better alternative. Like wordinspect was orphaned but Dictionary 2.8.1 does the same thing? |
| 02:34.30 | Guerin | like what runlevel you're booting into, whether the script is functional on its own ... |
| 02:34.37 | abonilla | hacim, 16 pin plugged to the right, then an extra moller to one that should be around the CPU. is this an intel one? |
| 02:34.47 | hacim | abonilla: its AMD |
| 02:34.48 | Guerin | edt: you use apt and dpkg |
| 02:34.57 | dondelelcaro | xsieve: you search and figure that out... that's generally the only way. |
| 02:35.10 | abonilla | hacim, then i have no idea. Normally they add a moller around the CPU or it doesn't work/; |
| 02:35.12 | dondelelcaro | xsieve: once you figure that out, mail the O: bug, to make sure that others can figure it out easily. |
| 02:35.12 | edt | Guerin no NOT using dpkg/apt |
| 02:35.17 | Guerin | edt: why? |
| 02:35.29 | edt | I need to know how .configure is testing |
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| 02:35.37 | edt | its failing to find things |
| 02:35.47 | Guerin | edt: you look for files which live in those packages |
| 02:35.55 | edt | if I know what its looking for I can figure out what is missing |
| 02:35.59 | hacim | abonilla: what is a moller? |
| 02:36.02 | abonilla | Guerin, let me copy 3 lines... |
| 02:36.05 | edt | Guerin no |
| 02:36.18 | abonilla | hacim, the power cable that you connect to the CDROM, HD, ... |
| 02:36.20 | abonilla | alejandro:/etc/init.d# update-rc.d -n tpb defaults |
| 02:36.20 | abonilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.20 | abonilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.27 | jetscreamer | whooohoooooo |
| 02:36.33 | Guerin | edt: well, that's what ./configure does ... |
| 02:36.33 | jetscreamer | donnas rock |
| 02:36.39 | abonilla | and it goes to rc1 rc2 rc3 bla bla |
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| 02:37.12 | drac | Forget about xf86.. you got this real shit on your hands.. I think I can get you famous.. We miss you. |
| 02:37.30 | edt | Guerin ./configure is using s macro of some sort with a PKG test spec which I have not been able to figure out yet |
| 02:38.04 | Beto | Hi, folks... I' m having problems with my mplayer.. It's returning a relocated symbol error... This is the error: mplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0: undefined symbol: NeAACDecOpen... I kown It symbol is from the libfaad.. that is installed.. Some one have any idea??? about it?? |
| 02:38.08 | Guerin | abonilla: what runlevel are you in? |
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| 02:38.20 | Guerin | abonilla: i mean, which runlevel does it not work in? |
| 02:38.29 | abonilla | Guerin, 5? |
| 02:38.35 | Guerin | abonilla: don't guess, know. |
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| 02:39.15 | abonilla | it looks like it needs GUI to load properly... now I need to know how to make the tpb load as last one... |
| 02:39.43 | Guerin | abonilla: then it's better to put it in your .xsession or .xinitrc files |
| 02:39.59 | Guerin | since you won't have a gui until wlel after the ini.d scripts have finished running |
| 02:40.11 | abonilla | Guerin, cool, any idea how is that? I just have to put "tpb" that's all! |
| 02:40.17 | Guerin | abonilla: man xsession |
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| 02:40.23 | abonilla | Guerin, man man |
| 02:40.27 | Guerin | abonilla: if you use kdm or gdm, it'll be something else |
| 02:40.32 | abonilla | gdm |
| 02:40.33 | Guerin | abonilla: man clue |
| 02:40.41 | abonilla | man hel[ |
| 02:40.43 | abonilla | help |
| 02:41.33 | Guerin | showertime ! |
| 02:41.53 | HellMind | http://www.google.com.ar/search?hl=es&q=%22unable+to+mount+root+ds+on++03%3A42%22&meta= |
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| 02:42.12 | HellMind | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.18 | wept | does anyone know of a good program to use to try to recover data from scratched (data) cds? |
| 02:42.32 | Beto | Some one have any idea??? If not.. how may i remove a package of my system without remove the packages that have depency with this package... |
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| 02:42.53 | volve | hey all, so, possibly silly newbie question but when I mount an NTFS drive I can't seem to allow anyone but root to access it... even if I change the dir ownership/perms before mount it, |
| 02:42.53 | volve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:43.13 | drac | Beto: Impossible, fooling APT or any dependencies it has to offer.. is an bad idea. |
| 02:43.21 | sim_kp | "I just want the user to be able to run it" |
| 02:43.32 | wept | volve: have you set the mask in the mount options? |
| 02:43.33 | drac | Beto: possible, but really fucking un-smart |
| 02:43.35 | sim_kp | what could stop him to run gdm |
| 02:43.39 | sim_kp | as a user? |
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| 02:43.48 | volve | wept: oh, uhm... hmm.. no |
| 02:43.49 | sim_kp | using gentoo |
| 02:44.24 | wept | volve: something like mount -o umask=222 should work i think? |
| 02:44.36 | drac | Oh my god, I really want to compile everything without learning anything. |
| 02:44.41 | drac | ^ Gentoo :/ |
| 02:44.47 | Beto | drac: I kown it... but my idea is... remove this libfaad2-0 that isn't work and change for a libfaad2-0 that is different and is working from my other computer... it will be instately |
| 02:44.53 | Beto | may you help me?? |
| 02:45.14 | drac | Beto: Running out of HDD space? |
| 02:45.15 | sim_kp | drac: sorry debian i mean |
| 02:45.15 | wept | if you install the other libfaad it should replace it |
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| 02:45.27 | windowwasher | /leave/ |
| 02:45.33 | windowwasher | erg |
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| 02:45.50 | Beto | drac: Sorry?? I did not understand |
| 02:46.07 | drac | Beto: I hope you realize some libs sure take a small amount of space, and nothing else. It's actually NICE and GOOD to own a lot of libraries for future. |
| 02:46.24 | drac | Beto: You lose anything, you gain much. |
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| 02:46.53 | drac | Beto: And upgrade/dist-upgrade takes care of taking care of them for you.. |
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| 02:47.39 | verbose | ok... the debian cd is still showing up as a non-debian cd |
| 02:47.44 | Beto | drac: That is the problem.. it's another kind of package... I will show you.. wait.. |
| 02:47.52 | verbose | however, i did get it boot on its own but then what do i do |
| 02:47.53 | verbose | ? |
| 02:48.00 | verbose | dpms, dr-dos, that setup |
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| 02:48.18 | simonrvn | @tell QFX -about root |
| 02:48.18 | volve | wept: hmm, it's not accepting my mount options... it just keeps spitting me back to the help info... gah |
| 02:48.43 | Beto | drac: Tha is installed here.. and doesn't work... even if i upgrade my system... |
| 02:49.00 | kingsley | What's a good way to filter traffic to a child's computer that's networked to yours, when yours is on the net? |
| 02:49.04 | wept | volve: what are you typing exactly? |
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| 02:49.17 | drac | Beto: Works on what? Where? apt-setup, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 02:49.25 | Beto | drac: This is the one.. that work on my other computer: libfaad2-0_2.0+20050401-0.1_i386.deb |
| 02:50.00 | drac | Beto: And? Time to give the real problem. |
| 02:50.10 | volve | wept: no matter, I got it - it didn't like '-o uid=1234 gid=1234' so I used just uid and it was happy, thanks! :) |
| 02:50.19 | Beto | drac: wait.. I will try to explain you |
| 02:50.23 | Beto | drac: wait.. |
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| 02:50.38 | verbose | any ideas, guys? |
| 02:50.43 | wept | volve: np |
| 02:50.45 | cprogrammer52 | Hey yall whats the name of that distro someone was creating based off E17? |
| 02:50.56 | simonrvn | google too hard? |
| 02:51.04 | Beto | drac: My mplayer returns an error when I run the command... Beto@hack beto $mplayer |
| 02:51.04 | Beto | mplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0: undefined symbol: NeAACDecO |
| 02:51.04 | verbose | well, i tried that |
| 02:51.07 | verbose | no luck really |
| 02:51.10 | Beto | So... |
| 02:51.37 | Beto | drac: I know this symbol.. that it doesn't find... is from libfaad |
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| 02:51.54 | drac | verbose: You still don't have debian sarge installed? Come on, it's been 4 hours i've stood and watch this. Don't fucking be diculous! If you have no other choise, or succees, add an CD-ROM and /msg dpkg d-i |
| 02:51.55 | dafresh | hi, i've got a netgear MA401 wifi nic, it's works fine but i got an error like "interface doesnt support scanning" when i try to start a scan, under sid 2.6.10 |
| 02:52.19 | dafresh | and this card normaly support scanning feature |
| 02:52.50 | verbose | drac: i know, ridiculous is right |
| 02:52.56 | verbose | i'm going to email debian-user |
| 02:53.06 | dafresh | anyone have these hardware and/or ever try/heard something about that ? |
| 02:53.32 | Beto | drac: but.. I have this lib... and even ugrade my system .. it doesn't work... so i looked at my other computer where i haven't got any problem... so .. I saw that the packages that installing the lib... are different.. and i show you this defferece.. so.. my idea is... remove my libfaad and install the other... did you got?? |
| 02:53.47 | drac | Beto: What?! /msg dpkg marillat, add sources, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:54.41 | drac | Beto: You are playing with NON-FREE sources here, that debian policy does not include, but thank god there is people like Christian Marillat to take care of em. |
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| 02:55.42 | Beto | Ok... give the mirror... I will apt-get update and dist-upgrade my system... |
| 02:56.18 | drac | Beto: And.. if you have no success, you could blame Christian.. but that would be ridiculous.. take care of packinging them yourself. apt-get install debhelper dh-make && man dh-make, read docs. |
| 02:56.30 | drac | Beto: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:56.41 | volve | ah, thanks qubes |
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| 02:58.07 | EvilSporkMan | changing testing to sid in sources.list, apt-get update, and apt-get dist-upgrade is enough to move to unstable, right/ |
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| 02:59.31 | jetscreamer | works for me |
| 03:00.04 | jetscreamer | get cron-apt, makes life on sid easier |
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| 03:00.32 | EvilSporkMan | grand, and thanks for the tip - i figure there's no point in trying for stability if i'm running pure64 <g> |
| 03:00.39 | edt | how do you tell apt to take a specific package from experimental? |
| 03:00.50 | jetscreamer | apt-pinning |
| 03:01.07 | jetscreamer | or just d/l it |
| 03:01.30 | edt | is not there just a simple parm to give apt-get ? |
| 03:01.49 | edt | I am almost certian there is |
| 03:02.10 | jbmigel | ~x86? |
| 03:02.11 | apt | rumour has it, x86 is this frankinsteins monster of a system compaired to arm. |
| 03:02.36 | jetscreamer | man apt-get |
| 03:02.47 | jetscreamer | or apt |
| 03:02.53 | jetscreamer | ~apt-get |
| 03:02.54 | apt | apt-get is, like, the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get ... |
| 03:03.08 | jetscreamer | apt-get moo |
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| 03:04.05 | tweak | hi all, I know this is linux, but where can I find a windows support channel? |
| 03:04.32 | jbmigel | lol |
| 03:05.13 | jbmigel | tweak have you tried #windows ? |
| 03:05.24 | tweak | yes but that doesnt look like real channel |
| 03:05.27 | tweak | like 5 people there. |
| 03:05.37 | tweak | I just need to know how to start IIS, I already have it installed. |
| 03:05.50 | jbmigel | it is in your services list |
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| 03:07.07 | drac | insecure internet system? |
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| 03:08.20 | cafuego | h4xx teh g|bs0n |
| 03:08.23 | jbmigel | heh, i shoulda told him to reboot |
| 03:08.31 | drac | that would even beat my 'listening to ice cube \everyone know it.wma' ;) |
| 03:09.39 | drac | Have you seen this.. http://www.hackiis6.com/ ? |
| 03:10.02 | jbmigel | ya i cant even get a ping through |
| 03:10.02 | drac | It's just at joke from a almost-known-friend, no MS propaganda. |
| 03:11.17 | drac | Hell, i'm using mencoder now to get rid of these. |
| 03:11.20 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: U there? |
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| 03:12.21 | Twisted_Emotions | Anyone know if the net install versions of debian are bootable? |
| 03:12.50 | jbmigel | wouldnt they have to be? |
| 03:13.01 | Twisted_Emotions | jbmigel: thanks |
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| 03:13.59 | edt | where is there an faq on package building form source packages? |
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| 03:15.54 | Twisted_Emotions | Uhh... lets se how much you guys really know... for a Intel P4 you install i386 or m68k or ia64? |
| 03:16.09 | jbmigel | i686 |
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| 03:16.33 | Twisted_Emotions | I dont see that? |
| 03:16.41 | Twisted_Emotions | [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] |
| 03:16.56 | IDC | asg, hey buddy you're there ? |
| 03:16.58 | Twisted_Emotions | m68k? |
| 03:17.06 | IDC | asg, i got the DDNS worked :D lol |
| 03:17.10 | jbmigel | oh sorry i386 for now... m68k is some motorola chip and ia64 is an itanium |
| 03:17.29 | Twisted_Emotions | jbmigel: Thanks |
| 03:18.00 | Twisted_Emotions | wtf net install cd is 110mb's? I thought it was like 40? |
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| 03:19.40 | noisecontrol | Does Debian Linux work on top of windows? |
| 03:19.54 | cafuego | Your 686 chip is i386 architecture. |
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| 03:20.00 | Delph | noisecontrol: 'on top' or 'alongside' ? |
| 03:20.19 | noisecontrol | I am looking for a good linux to work with Windows 2000 PRO as the base OS |
| 03:20.25 | cafuego | Twisted_Emotions: The busibness card iso is 40Mb. please DO read the page. |
| 03:20.30 | noisecontrol | Thanks Delph |
| 03:20.39 | Delph | you can have both running on the same machine. |
| 03:20.42 | cafuego | noisecontrol: whatnow? |
| 03:20.52 | Delph | running inside like a vmware -- anything will do. |
| 03:21.02 | Twisted_Emotions | noisecontrol: debian is its own OS... doesnt use a "Base" |
| 03:21.25 | Delph | there's no reason to choose one over another for 'working with' windows 2000 |
| 03:21.27 | noisecontrol | Well - I understand that You have to Repartition and will lose all data or is that no longer the case? |
| 03:21.43 | Delph | noisecontrol: new hard disks are cheap these days |
| 03:21.44 | drac | It there an other way controlling REMOTE alsamixer than ssh & alsamixer? |
| 03:21.44 | Twisted_Emotions | cafuego: I love you buddy ;) Dont me mad at my ignorance. |
| 03:21.52 | drac | Running ESD server. |
| 03:21.53 | cafuego | noisecontrol: well, you can resize partitons with partition magic |
| 03:21.58 | Delph | noisecontrol: you can also shrink your windows partition to leave space for linux. |
| 03:22.10 | cafuego | noisecontrol: or use colinux or vmware |
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| 03:22.21 | Delph | colinux, that was what i was forgetting about. |
| 03:22.27 | noisecontrol | Who makes partition magic and is it freeware yet? |
| 03:22.29 | cafuego | or just damnw ell wipe windows 2000 |
| 03:22.40 | Twisted_Emotions | ^^^ do that |
| 03:22.44 | cafuego | !fgi noisecontrol partition+magic |
| 03:22.45 | dpkg | noisecontrol: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=partition+magic |
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| 03:23.45 | shinguz | The best way would of course to just nuke the Windows and install a pure Debian system on it ;) |
| 03:23.46 | jbmigel | lol that link was hilarious |
| 03:23.58 | Delph | jbmigel: have you not seen it before? |
| 03:24.07 | IDC | cafuego, hi i got my DDNS work on Debian :D |
| 03:24.11 | jbmigel | im new here, just switched teams |
| 03:24.13 | IDC | cool |
| 03:24.18 | EvilSporkMan | how do people deal with all the traffic on debian-user? |
| 03:24.18 | shinguz | jbmigel, Theres another one too, justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 03:24.26 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: unsubscribe |
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| 03:24.46 | IDC | cafuego, well,the DDNS service i bought they do not offer LInux client,but some guys write it :) |
| 03:25.02 | noisecontrol | Thanks for the tip Version 8 has free trial |
| 03:25.10 | IDC | strange,why they do not release official client for linux ...while many other DDNS providers do |
| 03:25.25 | IDC | anyway,it's working ...happy now :) |
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| 03:25.45 | cafuego | IDC: Nowhere near as strange as you paying them money for a service that doesn't support your OS. |
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| 03:26.18 | IDC | cafuego, because i didn't notice that when i was sending money to their bank accunt :) |
| 03:26.26 | noisecontrol | I have a pacific DVD burner that I think runs under both Win and Linux - USB |
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| 03:26.37 | noisecontrol | Does Linux support USB well? |
| 03:26.39 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: i guess that's one way to cope |
| 03:26.40 | whm | i delete some file in /dev/,anyway to recover them???? |
| 03:26.50 | IDC | The one i signed on is the biggest DDNS provider in the *world*,they claim that,maybe its according to the amount of registered cusomers |
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| 03:27.14 | shinguz | noisecontrol, Yes |
| 03:27.28 | whm | someone help me |
| 03:27.42 | ncpink | www.ncpink.com is my domain |
| 03:27.58 | ncpink | I have music and stuff there |
| 03:27.58 | shinguz | !tell whm about ask |
| 03:28.05 | ncpink | Anyway |
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| 03:28.32 | ncpink | I was looking to learn more about linux - Used to run an old 9.0 Mandrake |
| 03:28.47 | ncpink | Had trouble getting the WinModem to work |
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| 03:28.54 | whm | help!!!I delete /dev/video and /dev/video0 |
| 03:28.54 | jbmigel | ;) |
| 03:28.57 | cafuego | IDC: dyndns.org is afaik. |
| 03:29.12 | ncpink | Any simple solutions with Debian for WinModems? |
| 03:29.16 | quittt | do you know a Ultima Online client for Linux? |
| 03:29.23 | shinguz | whm, Ouch. Running stuff as root is a Bad Idea |
| 03:29.24 | cafuego | ncpink: Yes. but a real modem. |
| 03:29.32 | cafuego | s/but/buy/ |
| 03:29.43 | IDC | afaik ? |
| 03:29.46 | jbmigel | ncpink do you know what the "Win" in WinModem stands for? |
| 03:29.54 | whm | i see |
| 03:30.00 | ncpink | I'll look. |
| 03:30.10 | whm | but i want recover these 2 files |
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| 03:30.19 | shinguz | whm, man makedev should help you a bit |
| 03:30.27 | cafuego | whm: You can't, just recreate them. |
| 03:30.28 | Delph | ncpink: they're low-quality modems designed on the cheap by putting the hard bits of computation in the drivers running in windows. |
| 03:30.35 | shinguz | whm, You cannot recover them, you have to recreate them |
| 03:30.35 | cafuego | whm: de /dev; ./MAKEDEV video |
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| 03:30.47 | whm | i will try |
| 03:31.00 | ncpink | it says softk56data fax modem |
| 03:31.11 | VoX | can someone point me to a how-to for installing an nvidia card on sarge, using a deb kernel? |
| 03:31.15 | ncpink | It may work under both |
| 03:31.16 | cafuego | ncpink: Chaces are it just won' |
| 03:31.20 | cafuego | t work in Linux |
| 03:31.32 | cafuego | !tell VoX -abut nvidia one-liner |
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| 03:31.35 | cafuego | !tell VoX -about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:31.51 | whm | o ,it works |
| 03:32.00 | whm | thanks a lot |
| 03:32.01 | shinguz | ncpink, Get something external if possible if you cannot find a real hardware modem that plugs into the pci. The internal hardware modems are a real pain in the ass to find these days |
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| 03:32.03 | ncpink | Thats the thing |
| 03:32.09 | VoX | yikes |
| 03:32.27 | ncpink | Thanks shinguz |
| 03:32.32 | shinguz | ncpink, YW |
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| 03:32.38 | atlantis | *´¨) |
| 03:32.39 | atlantis | ¸.·´¸.·´¨) ¸.·-> http://atlantis.rh.rit.edu |
| 03:32.39 | atlantis | (¸.·´ (¸.·´ |
| 03:32.41 | ncpink | I would use Ethernet if I could afford it |
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| 03:32.45 | poirot | the kernel 2.6.8 image package has the file vesafb.ko in the initrd; this module isn't available in the official kernel.org source; was this module a patch from the debian distribution? |
| 03:32.47 | dafresh | anyone know a good soft to do apt proxy ? |
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| 03:32.51 | VoX | cafuego: ok, stupid question time.. can i do that /before/ i put the nvidia card in? |
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| 03:33.08 | whm | such a good place to solve problem |
| 03:33.23 | cafuego | dafresh: apt-proxy m? |
| 03:33.25 | man_in_shack | has anyone been able to get kernel module cx88-dvb.c to compile? |
| 03:33.29 | shinguz | dafresh, I think there is a package called apt-proxy |
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| 03:33.47 | darkcmd | I love debian and apt, it has made computing more fun... |
| 03:33.50 | man_in_shack | or has anyone solved the "error: too few arguments to function `videobuf_dvb_register'" problem? |
| 03:33.56 | dafresh | yeah but i 've heard that there is another better soft .. |
| 03:34.11 | ncpink | Debian makes red-hat compliant linux...? Correct |
| 03:34.19 | cafuego | dafresh: Well, don't ask us then, if you already know the answer. |
| 03:34.24 | shinguz | ncpink, No, Debian is Debian |
| 03:34.24 | ncpink | I saw something about Novell |
| 03:34.26 | cafuego | ncpink: No. |
| 03:34.29 | EvilSporkMan | ncpink: no, we don't use a red hat file structure |
| 03:34.30 | man_in_shack | ncpink, no |
| 03:34.33 | darkcmd | and security is up on sarge |
| 03:34.37 | darkcmd | now which is good |
| 03:34.45 | cafuego | ncpink: novell produces 'SuSE Linux', which is also not redhat. |
| 03:35.06 | dafresh | cafuego: no, i dont know the package name ... maybe someone know it |
| 03:35.26 | ncpink | Is Debian more complex than Mandrake? |
| 03:35.30 | cafuego | dafresh: maybe you should ask the person who told you apr-proxy wasn't good enough. |
| 03:35.34 | shinguz | ncpink, Mu |
| 03:35.48 | man_in_shack | ncpink, that depends on how you define "complex" |
| 03:36.00 | ncpink | I am looking for simple version with GNOME and Media player and Dev Tools |
| 03:36.11 | cafuego | Sunday ahs arrived early this week. |
| 03:36.26 | Delph | ncpink: simple to install with clicky clicky buttons that do magic? |
| 03:36.41 | shinguz | ncpink, If you are looking for Windows Media Player you are out of luck. mplayer and others are very good, even better than WMP |
| 03:36.44 | man_in_shack | ubuntu is not debian |
| 03:36.53 | ncpink | I would like to be able to compile C, JAVA, and others |
| 03:36.57 | cafuego | !winner man_in_shack |
| 03:36.57 | dpkg | Today's winner is hail04! |
| 03:36.59 | man_in_shack | it's a bastardised version of debian with custom themes |
| 03:37.02 | shinguz | ncpink, Debian |
| 03:37.05 | jbmigel | ncpink ubuntu is a simple debian "based" distro thats easy to install |
| 03:37.06 | dafresh | cafuego: hum ... yeah |
| 03:37.14 | man_in_shack | cafuego, well mepis is debian, just modified |
| 03:37.19 | Delph | man_in_shack: indeed. However, i feel justified in pointing people towards it if they're looking for something simple to install. |
| 03:37.21 | shinguz | man_in_shack, No it is not |
| 03:37.22 | man_in_shack | ubuntu is bastardised |
| 03:37.33 | Delph | i mean, they could end up using redhat or something. |
| 03:37.37 | shinguz | !knoppixsmite man_in_shack |
| 03:37.49 | EvilSporkMan | roffle |
| 03:37.54 | xsieve | Can someone verify -- It appears that some debian packages are other people's code from some other source copied and packaged, then tracked as it changes. |
| 03:37.55 | man_in_shack | shingouz, glad you're having fun 8) |
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| 03:38.12 | cafuego | xsieve: what? |
| 03:38.14 | shinguz | man_in_shack, I am really not, permasunday gets to be boring after a while |
| 03:38.17 | Delph | xsieve: some - any examples? |
| 03:38.29 | ncpink | Anyone here know Oracle's primary business |
| 03:38.37 | ncpink | I keep seeing their TV commercials |
| 03:38.43 | ncpink | I think its Databases |
| 03:38.45 | Delph | i mean, yes, debian do take other people's code, patch it a bit, package it up and serve it from their servers... |
| 03:38.46 | cafuego | ncpink: Can you check the channel topic before asking another question? |
| 03:38.47 | shinguz | ncpink, Take money? |
| 03:39.06 | Delph | but that's kinda like... how else would you do it =:) |
| 03:39.07 | ncpink | Sorry |
| 03:39.22 | cafuego | xsieve: Most debian packages are indeed NOT created by the original software author. |
| 03:39.35 | xsieve | AHA! Thanks, I'm very new to Debian. |
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| 03:39.45 | darkcmd | how hard is it to become a maintainer |
| 03:39.59 | cafuego | xsieve: However, the package maintainers do NOT claim they wrote the software, they just packaged it. |
| 03:39.59 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: see nm.debian.org |
| 03:40.02 | cafuego | !newmaint |
| 03:40.03 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 03:41.29 | xsieve | Okay, so how would I know if a package is source code maintained by the maintainer, or if it's "homed" elsewhere? |
| 03:41.33 | darkcmd | thanks guys |
| 03:41.41 | dondelelcaro | xsieve: the debian/copyright will tell you. |
| 03:41.56 | cafuego | xsieve: it's normally written by someone else and the maintainer adds patches to it, for use in debian. |
| 03:42.02 | VoX | kernel-headers-$(uname -r) $(uname -r) = stable/testing/unstable yes? |
| 03:42.06 | carlos | existe algun canal en español |
| 03:42.10 | shinguz | !es |
| 03:42.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:42.15 | cafuego | VoX: what? |
| 03:42.23 | dondelelcaro | VoX: no. |
| 03:42.27 | ncpink | Sorry didn't take off |
| 03:42.31 | ncpink | Had to tile my windows |
| 03:42.42 | EvilSporkMan | shinguz: i asked dpkg about permasunday but i still don't get it... |
| 03:42.53 | cafuego | !sing sunday |
| 03:42.53 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 03:43.05 | VoX | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 03:43.09 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: nope...*shakes head* |
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| 03:43.12 | shinguz | EvilSporkMan, You haven't sent enough time here yet if yo do not get it ;) |
| 03:43.13 | cafuego | VoX: run 'uname -r' |
| 03:43.15 | stew | !sunday |
| 03:43.15 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:43.35 | EvilSporkMan | shinguz: oh. why would everyone do that? |
| 03:43.35 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: on sunday the iq on this channel drops by about 80%. |
| 03:43.35 | jbmigel | VoX you can run "uname -r" in a console window to see what it does |
| 03:43.41 | shinguz | dpkg, I'll drink to that |
| 03:43.41 | VoX | ahhh |
| 03:43.44 | VoX | righto |
| 03:43.57 | VoX | <-- bit slow today |
| 03:44.17 | EvilSporkMan | i guess sunday is a good day for pseudowork |
| 03:44.21 | stew | !saturday |
| 03:44.21 | dpkg | well, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 03:44.28 | shinguz | hehehe |
| 03:44.28 | cafuego | !monday |
| 03:44.28 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 03:44.34 | jbmigel | isnt it friday? |
| 03:44.36 | shinguz | !tuesday |
| 03:44.36 | dpkg | methinks tuesday is soylent green day |
| 03:44.47 | cafuego | jbmigel: Not on most of the planet, no. |
| 03:45.02 | EvilSporkMan | jbmigel: i have friday too, it's ok |
| 03:45.02 | stew | !friday |
| 03:45.02 | dpkg | friday is, like, Tardsday Eve Eve |
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| 03:45.26 | dhruv | hi, i'm trying to figure what something in the screen shot is: http://www.gentoo.org/images/shots/wschlich.png . I don't know what the console program is that is being used in the upper left. It's like screen with tabs..Does anyone have any idea what it is? |
| 03:45.27 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: it's friday on the only part of the planet that thinks the other parts don't matter |
| 03:45.57 | drac | dpkg: friday day |
| 03:45.57 | dpkg | i heard friday day is like sungay. |
| 03:46.02 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: No, I don't think most of canada/south american can be compared to the morons. |
| 03:46.04 | EvilSporkMan | dhruv: sure looks like it says CENTERICQ there |
| 03:46.22 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: yes, but i didn't necessarily compare them to us |
| 03:46.24 | dhruv | EvilSporkMan: but take a look at the bottom of the window, with the different tabs |
| 03:46.27 | whm | textbased icq |
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| 03:46.38 | EvilSporkMan | dhruv: that's screen |
| 03:46.46 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: 'us' ? |
| 03:46.54 | dhruv | EvilSporkMan: how do you get the little bar at the bottom? |
| 03:46.56 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: i live in the U.S. |
| 03:46.59 | EvilSporkMan | dhruv: man screen |
| 03:47.06 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: But i don't... |
| 03:47.09 | EvilSporkMan | dhruv: i think the function is list |
| 03:47.11 | dhruv | EvilSporkMan: i'll look again, thanks. |
| 03:47.26 | EvilSporkMan | cafuego: yes, i know, therefore I am representing my country to you |
| 03:47.51 | cafuego | EvilSporkMan: There's no need, I've been there and have inspected it. |
| 03:47.57 | EvilSporkMan | dhruv: C-a " i think |
| 03:48.33 | dhruv | EvilSporkMan: for me, that clears the screen and presents a list. still useful, but not a taskbar |
| 03:48.49 | EvilSporkMan | dhruv: C-a 6 |
| 03:48.59 | EvilSporkMan | dhruv: where 6 is a number that isn't a screen you're using |
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| 03:49.33 | EvilSporkMan | dhruv: perhaps C-a w |
| 03:49.36 | concept10 | what about that process list in the terminal window of that screenshot? |
| 03:49.52 | concept10 | what app is that? |
| 03:49.58 | EvilSporkMan | concept10: htop, as it says there |
| 03:50.07 | dhruv | EvilSporkMan: all useful, but still doesn't have the time on the left, and isn't constantly there |
| 03:50.20 | dhruv | concept10: htop, i believe |
| 03:50.28 | EvilSporkMan | dhruv: why don't you ask in #gentoo, and report back when you find out? =P |
| 03:50.42 | ChrisB | Anyone heard of fedora? |
| 03:50.53 | dhruv | EvilSporkMan: will do. thanks for your help! |
| 03:50.54 | EvilSporkMan | ChrisB: i think it's a kind of hat |
| 03:51.08 | dhruv | ChrisB: a stylish one |
| 03:51.22 | EvilSporkMan | !fedora |
| 03:51.23 | dpkg | fedora is probably Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, modelled after other community projects such as Debian and Gentoo. It is not directly supported by Red Hat itself. See http://fedora.redhat.com or #Fedora for more information |
| 03:51.43 | concept10 | LOL |
| 03:51.47 | ChrisB | Got the idea from a friend |
| 03:52.04 | concept10 | ChrisB: goto #fedora |
| 03:52.49 | xsieve | dhruv: Isn't that midnight commander in both windows in various states? |
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| 03:53.44 | dhruv | xsieve: i thought mc was a filebrowser? |
| 03:53.45 | man_in_shack | ok, how do i make a .patch? |
| 03:53.47 | shinguz | EvilSporkMan: Don't be, grep, ls, mv, cp and a few other friends are better ;) |
| 03:53.50 | dhruv | i too haven't used it |
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| 03:53.57 | poirot | hi, the kernel 2.6.8 image package has the file vesafb.ko in the initrd; this module isn't available in the official kernel.org source; was this module a patch from the debian distribution? |
| 03:54.08 | dhruv | i'll check it out |
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| 03:54.23 | Spods | ESM: i wouldn't worry about it, i haven't used that interface since norton commander in dos. loved the interface though |
| 03:54.38 | EvanCarroll | poirot: i have a hard time believe the vesa frame buffer isn't in the kernel.org source |
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| 03:54.52 | Psychik | hi |
| 03:54.52 | shinguz | poirot: Check the changelog, should be there |
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| 03:55.02 | xsieve | dhruv: Yes, it is, but you can execute commands from it, so they show up for a while, until you go back to file browsing |
| 03:55.20 | Spods | anyone know how to make firefox understand i want my default file manager to be anything but nautilus? |
| 03:55.39 | poirot | ouch |
| 03:55.40 | Delph | Spods: probably need to prod your GNOME settings somewhere |
| 03:55.42 | EvilSporkMan | Spods: maybe file-manager is in /etc/alternatives? |
| 03:55.49 | Delph | try the random clicky clicky config thingy. |
| 03:55.49 | poirot | thanks |
| 03:56.05 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: ha, never heard a better description of GNOME =P |
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| 03:56.12 | Spods | delph, ESM: thanks, will check it out |
| 03:56.16 | Delph | EvilSporkMan: you can tell i like it, can't you? =;) |
| 03:56.24 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: oh yes |
| 03:56.35 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: I would like it better if it was icewm |
| 03:56.41 | Delph | openbox! |
| 03:56.45 | EvilSporkMan | icewm! |
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| 03:56.50 | EvanCarroll | Spods: |
| 03:56.55 | deadcat | !start a wm war |
| 03:56.56 | dpkg | CDE makes me vomit! |
| 03:57.06 | Spods | haha |
| 03:57.09 | EvilSporkMan | dpkg: CDE? |
| 03:57.09 | dpkg | cde is, like, the crappy desktop environment or laughable when it takes >45 seconds to load on a alpha box with 192 megs of ram. Common Desktop Environment, derived from HP's VUE. Non-free, evil. very ugly, or the spawn of satan. Commercial Desktop Environment, or as ugly as xfce |
| 03:57.13 | EvilSporkMan | whoops |
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| 03:57.22 | poirot | its not in the changelog the vesafs; was it added by debian? |
| 03:57.27 | Psychik | can someone tell me a way to recover files under a ext3 partition, recover only works with ext2 :/ ( i did rm -rf on one dir) |
| 03:57.31 | EvanCarroll | Spods: I'm not sure that will be an easy task, it would be through the gnome-default-application file i believe though |
| 03:57.46 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: hey, that's how I configure anything - fumble around in menus, change options at random |
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| 03:57.55 | poirot | Psychik, umount this partition now! |
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| 03:58.04 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: did I mention that I can program VCRs too? I just start toggling the power switch on and off... |
| 03:58.11 | Spods | evancarroll: bummer, I'm not a gnome user, so i'm a little lost at doing that. tend to have used xfce or kde in the past |
| 03:58.11 | Delph | EvilSporkMan: lol |
| 03:58.27 | EvanCarroll | Spods: go back to xfce =D |
| 03:58.49 | Psychik | 05:57:58 <poirot> Psychik, umount this partition now! < i can pass it in ext2 without losing any data ? ( i'm jailed) |
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| 03:58.58 | xsieve | So do most original software authors use sourceforge, savannah, berlios, etc, or do they create their own debian package and host it on debian servers? |
| 03:59.04 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: so when did openbox become better than fluxbox? |
| 03:59.17 | poirot | basically, ext3 is ext2 with a journalling file |
| 03:59.18 | Delph | EvilSporkMan: when it became xml based for config? |
| 03:59.21 | Spods | evancarroll: i am on xfce, for some reason firefox seems to think nautalus is an acceptable window manager. so i uninstalled it and now when firefox tries to launch my download path nothing happens |
| 03:59.22 | EvanCarroll | Psychik: if your jailed I imagine your task is impoosible, if you weren't jailed it would be extremly difficult |
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| 03:59.38 | Delph | EvilSporkMan: XML owns your puny window manager. |
| 03:59.39 | Psychik | :(( |
| 03:59.39 | EvilSporkMan | Delph: *hurl* |
| 03:59.50 | EvilSporkMan | dock apps! *orgasm* |
| 03:59.50 | Spods | sorry, when i said window manager, i meant file manager |
| 04:00.18 | EvilSporkMan | now if only my monitor went above 1024x768 |
| 04:00.37 | EvanCarroll | Spods: I would still blame that on gnome, gnome handles things in a very homosexual way, this can be evidenced by the common problem with having gnome open up .wmv files with .avi extensions |
| 04:01.03 | Spods | evancarroll: ok |
| 04:01.07 | Psychik | and theres no soft apart recover and pkgrecover to recover files ? |
| 04:01.08 | Delph | EvanCarroll: what, kind and loving to all? or just rutting in a bar somewhere? |
| 04:01.20 | EvanCarroll | Delph: bar? |
| 04:01.35 | EvilSporkMan | EvanCarroll: pub |
| 04:01.37 | Delph | EvanCarroll: you buy ... drinks... there? |
| 04:01.37 | EvanCarroll | Delph: I am kind and loving =/ |
| 04:02.07 | Delph | EvanCarroll: what is the homosexual way, was what I was asking. |
| 04:02.19 | Psychik | ( gtkrecover, scuse me) |
| 04:02.47 | rj__ | can anyone help me with a dns zone file in bind9? |
| 04:02.56 | EvanCarroll | don't know it sounded it good, I don't like gnome, I don't have a problem with homosexuals though =/ |
| 04:03.14 | poirot | rj__, what is your problem? |
| 04:03.17 | Spods | rj__: what's the issue? |
| 04:03.20 | rj__ | i've created the zone file, and www.mydomain.com resolves ftp.mydomain.com etc resolves by mydomain.com won't resolve? can someone paste me a example entry for this? |
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| 04:03.29 | rj__ | by/but |
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| 04:04.15 | poirot | rj__, check out the localhost example in your /etc/bind6 directory |
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| 04:04.31 | Spods | or bind9 |
| 04:04.40 | poirot | bind9, sorry; typo |
| 04:04.43 | rj__ | ah, @ |
| 04:04.51 | Spods | yeah, i figured :) |
| 04:05.19 | rj__ | work's thank's guys :) |
| 04:05.26 | poirot | np |
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| 04:07.32 | Spods | anyone done customisation on svgatextmode? i used to have an article that was much better in explaining the process of configuring it than the howto, but i can't seem to find it in the searches i do |
| 04:07.41 | xsieve | I see the two flavors now. There are "native" packages, and there are original source tarball + patches. |
| 04:08.22 | shinguz | xsieve: What are you trying to isntall? |
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| 04:08.38 | xsieve | I'm trying to help debian with development and getting to know how it all works |
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| 04:08.44 | fazer | hi, are there any Thinkpad 600e users here? |
| 04:08.55 | shinguz | xsieve: Ok, I'll shut up in that case :) |
| 04:09.06 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U there? |
| 04:09.08 | shinguz | fazer: Just ask your question, no polls please |
| 04:09.17 | xsieve | I have a lot more reading to do! |
| 04:09.35 | fazer | shinguz: oh, i was just having problem with this new hard drive I found. I put it in my thinkpad intsead of the previous one and I get error upon boot up. |
| 04:09.52 | shinguz | fazer: And you are going to make me guess what the error is? |
| 04:10.01 | fazer | Just gives a generic error saying disk error press ctrl + alt + del to restart |
| 04:10.18 | fazer | shinguz: yes, I was typing it up. |
| 04:10.36 | Psychik | and theres no soft apart recover and gtkrecover to recover files ? |
| 04:10.39 | fazer | my friend tells me that there are is already an operating system in it. |
| 04:10.41 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up |
| 04:10.46 | Spods | fazer: sounds like there's no boot record there, that's a common message in the prescence of no software |
| 04:10.49 | shinguz | Faithful: You sure that hd doesnt come from a Thinkpad that has had its supervisor password set? |
| 04:11.10 | shinguz | Faithful: sorry |
| 04:11.12 | fazer | Spods: oh? because on my friend's newer laptop, it says the same error but also says to press F1 to continue. |
| 04:11.19 | shinguz | fazer: : You sure that hd doesnt come from a Thinkpad that has had its supervisor password set? |
| 04:11.50 | TwistedEmotions | I just installed brand new version of debian and first thing I installed was xf4? or whatever that GUI interface was... and when I try and run "xfrun4" I get error GtK-Warning: cannot open display: |
| 04:11.50 | fazer | shinguz: I think this hard drive belonged in some other non-IBM Thinkpad laptop |
| 04:11.50 | Spods | fazer: and if he presses f1 it goes through and boots? |
| 04:11.51 | fazer | Spods: yeap. |
| 04:11.55 | lanchow | if i am lucky, somebody knows how works the ZPixmap format (i'm programming with xlib) |
| 04:11.58 | TwistedEmotions | do I need to install xserver first? |
| 04:11.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm mozilla-firefox xfce4 xfce4-goodies |
| 04:12.01 | rob_lt | Man... I'm getting a kernel panic about every second boot. I'm getting "error -3 while decompressing" and then VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0). |
| 04:12.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: also add gdm to the list |
| 04:12.24 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: how do I copy what u just typed? |
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| 04:12.29 | rob_lt | this is on an older thinkpad laptop. |
| 04:12.32 | fazer | I have the hard drive in my hand |
| 04:12.36 | Spods | fazer: sounds weird, your sure you've installed an operating system on this new laptop hard drive? |
| 04:12.40 | shinguz | fazer: Try slapping the hd onto some desktop with an IDE converter and lowlevel it or use dd with if=/dev/zero to fill it up with zeroes |
| 04:12.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: pen+paper (= |
| 04:12.50 | fazer | its 20 GB and my current one is like 5.3 G |
| 04:12.58 | fazer | Spods: yes |
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| 04:13.24 | fazer | Spods: even if it doesn't have an OS, how can I get it to install it if it boots and says disk error. I can hear the disk spin during power on. |
| 04:13.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: unless you using screen(1) pen+paper is the best way. |
| 04:13.28 | shinguz | fazer: Should work. Can you get into the bios with F1? |
| 04:13.36 | Spods | fazer: is it possible in the install process, that the boot loader (grub or lilo) had an error when writing to the MBR? |
| 04:13.41 | fazer | shinguz: yeap, during the initial boot sequence. Yes. |
| 04:13.55 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: can u repeat what u just typed one more time plz. |
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| 04:14.05 | TwistedEmotions | almost got it all |
| 04:14.06 | fazer | Spods: I believe that the other hard drive has windows on it while my current hdd that I am using has Linux on it |
| 04:14.12 | shinguz | fazer: And you can actually do something there too? I am just thinking that you may have some password on the Thinkpad |
| 04:14.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm mozilla-firefox xfce4 xfce4-goodies gdm |
| 04:14.31 | fazer | shinguz: nope, there is no BIOS password of any srt |
| 04:14.32 | fazer | *sort |
| 04:14.51 | rob_lt | and then I get a VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0) |
| 04:15.01 | rob_lt | I'm at a loss |
| 04:15.03 | Spods | fazer: have you told the bios about the disk change. i mean did you let the disk geometry know it now has a 20gb disk rather than a 5.3? |
| 04:15.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: add xmms xine-ui to the list as well if you want some media stuff |
| 04:15.33 | shinguz | fazer: Enter the bios, go into the diagnostic screen and hit ctrl-a. Lowlevel the new hd from there and try booting up again. You will have toi install a new o/s on the drive after that though |
| 04:16.19 | fazer | shinguz: hmm interesitng... |
| 04:16.19 | shinguz | Spods: Thinkpad 600's see the drive all on their own luckily |
| 04:16.19 | vile_maxim | I'm at a lost with lirc. I have a remote that came with pcv pro tuner card. It plugs into a serial port. For the life of me I cannot figure out how to get this remote to work. Anyone can help with some troubleshooting? |
| 04:16.19 | fazer | Spods: no, I don't know, the BIOS in the Thinkpad is ... a GUI with a mouse. |
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| 04:16.19 | Spods | shunguz: well that's handy |
| 04:16.27 | fazer | shinguz: have you worked with thinkpads? |
| 04:16.28 | Spods | fazer: yep, compaq do the same on some models |
| 04:16.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: heh... got it all that time... now I already installed xfce4... its dont gonna gimme a error if i install again? |
| 04:16.50 | fazer | Spods: okay, because I am not sure where the Diagnostic panel is.. |
| 04:16.52 | TwistedEmotions | *not |
| 04:16.53 | shinguz | fazer: You can also use a linux boot cd, go into the console and use dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda or get the Thinkpad hardware maintenance diskette to lowlevel the drive |
| 04:17.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nah. if it does take it off |
| 04:17.17 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: thanks.. |
| 04:17.17 | fazer | shinguz: hmm, maintenance disk, insteresting. |
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| 04:17.21 | shinguz | fazer: I have had a few Thinkpads in the past few years, yes |
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| 04:17.51 | shinguz | fazer: Check the IBM support site, it is there somewhere unless Big Blue has fuxx0red up their ftp too badly |
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| 04:17.58 | Spods | cheapskates at my company |
| 04:18.01 | fazer | shinguz: Oh =[ |
| 04:18.20 | shinguz | Spods: If you do not like the T22, send it over to me, I can always use a bit more cpu :p |
| 04:18.28 | fazer | Spods: atleast you receive a laptop, this is a very old laptop that I ave been living for 3 years with |
| 04:18.31 | chisqr | which debian package needs to be installed so i can use gtk in my c program? i can't find the name of the package which is listen on gtk official site in apt-cache. |
| 04:18.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Errrr.. couldn't find package +mozilla-firefox |
| 04:18.51 | Spods | shinguz: i'd love to, but i'm pretty sure that would land me in hot water next time an asset stock take is taken ;) |
| 04:18.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no + |
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| 04:19.01 | TwistedEmotions | deacat: apt-cache search firefox gives me nothing |
| 04:19.03 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
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| 04:19.10 | salahuddin | hello |
| 04:19.10 | shinguz | Spods: You need to read up on the BOFH tactics apparently |
| 04:19.12 | rommer | mozilla-firefox? |
| 04:19.17 | TwistedEmotions | heh |
| 04:19.23 | TwistedEmotions | worked ;) Installing |
| 04:19.26 | salahuddin | i have resetup my debian for mount problem |
| 04:19.36 | Spods | farez: i've been working at my company for 5 and half years, this is the first laptop i've been given. also i still don't have business cards |
| 04:19.40 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
| 04:19.43 | salahuddin | now if i wann uptodate with debian severs |
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| 04:19.51 | salahuddin | ? should i give |
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| 04:19.56 | salahuddin | apt-get upgrade |
| 04:19.58 | fazer | Spods: oh, darn |
| 04:20.00 | shinguz | Spods: Besides I can send you an L40sx in almost mint condition, the beancounters will not notice. IBM and a laptop, they do not see much past that |
| 04:20.01 | salahuddin | or apt-getdistupdrage |
| 04:20.05 | Beto | drac: doesn't work.. |
| 04:20.11 | Spods | shinguz: well familiar with them, just not that prepared to get a better work computer to take work home with me |
| 04:20.23 | shinguz | salahuddin: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 04:20.35 | HellMind | gente |
| 04:20.36 | Beto | but I remove all package... and install my package .. and install everything back.. now is working.. thanks... |
| 04:20.45 | HellMind | tengo panic kernel con los kernel 2.4 y 2.6 |
| 04:20.56 | shinguz | !es |
| 04:20.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:21.00 | Spods | shinguz: tempting, tempting. but better not, we are a technology company. one of the bean counters might run it past a tecchie |
| 04:21.34 | shinguz | Spods: Ok, just paint the L40sx black, that is a surefire way to disguise it enough to pass for a T22 |
| 04:21.49 | Spods | shinguz: yeah, that might work too :) |
| 04:22.11 | shinguz | Spods: The L40sx even has a math copro |
| 04:22.26 | Spods | bonus selling point there :) |
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| 04:22.30 | shinguz | yup |
| 04:22.31 | fazer | Spods: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=DSHY-3TLQ2L#Diagnostics |
| 04:22.37 | HellMind | guys |
| 04:22.38 | fazer | shinguz: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=DSHY-3TLQ2L#Diagnostics |
| 04:22.40 | HellMind | this is very strange |
| 04:22.55 | HellMind | if i boot with kernel 2.2 my hd is /dev/hda |
| 04:23.19 | HellMind | but if i boot with 2.4 or 2.6 my hd is /dev/discs/disc0/disc |
| 04:23.21 | HellMind | why? |
| 04:23.23 | Spods | fazer: loading it now |
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| 04:23.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: in gui yet? you might want some themes. apt-get install gdm-themes, then apt-cache search gtk engine |
| 04:23.45 | fazer | Spods: thank you |
| 04:23.58 | Spods | HellMind: you might have the /dev filesystem enabled under 2.4 2.6 |
| 04:24.08 | HellMind | how can i disable that |
| 04:24.35 | deadcat | HellMind: you're fucked. |
| 04:24.41 | HellMind | -_- |
| 04:24.43 | HellMind | why |
| 04:24.48 | Spods | HellMind: not really sure, I compile it out of my kernel. I think you can stop if from mounting at boot up. can someone clarify that? |
| 04:25.45 | Spods | fazer: what am i looking for at the website? |
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| 04:26.17 | abarbaccia | hey guys - i am having problems with my wlan |
| 04:26.19 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: not yet.. I use USB Mouse.. what is my mouse port ;P? |
| 04:26.29 | deadcat | abarbaccia: ask |
| 04:26.38 | HellMind | dev filesystem got something to do with cramfs? |
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| 04:26.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: /dev/input/mice. |
| 04:26.43 | tag | anyone use usb wifi? |
| 04:26.45 | rj__ | once i create a script and place it in /etc/init.d/ how do i use update-rc.d to enable it ? |
| 04:26.47 | fazer | Spods: Hmm, I was wondering if I can find the hardware maintenance disk, but wouldn't I need to be on windows for that? |
| 04:26.47 | sparr_ | Where might I find some sort of documentation on the Window data type provided by Xlib? |
| 04:26.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: modprobe usbmouse first |
| 04:26.56 | deadcat | tag: ya. |
| 04:27.04 | deadcat | rj__: man update-rc.d |
| 04:27.22 | abarbaccia | wlan is detected as wlan0, in a config GUI it shows me that its picking up the names of the wireless signals floating around, but when i go to conenct to one of them - it doesn't pick up a DHCPBROADCAST |
| 04:27.30 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: are you using 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:27.32 | Spods | HellMind: no, cramfs is a filesystem based in memory, devfs is a virtual filesystem, sort of in the same kind as the proc filesystem (although the two have different purposes) |
| 04:28.01 | fazer | shinguz: Hmm, how does the maintenance diskette work anyways? |
| 04:28.02 | deadcat | abarbaccia: maybe the server dont have dhcp running or they have MAC filtering |
| 04:28.15 | abarbaccia | neither - its a home network |
| 04:28.17 | abarbaccia | i set up |
| 04:28.20 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah... porrty sure |
| 04:28.22 | Spods | fazer: some manufacturers restrict you to windows for maintenence (sp?) i think ICM is a little bit more liberal |
| 04:28.25 | TwistedEmotions | *preety sure |
| 04:28.47 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cool. /dev/input/mice then. |
| 04:29.02 | HellMind | ln -s discs/disc0/disc hda |
| 04:29.02 | HellMind | ln -s discs/disc0/part1 hda1 |
| 04:29.02 | HellMind | ln -s discs/disc0/part2 hda2 |
| 04:29.06 | HellMind | :D |
| 04:29.23 | deadcat | abarbaccia: what config GUI? |
| 04:29.29 | fazer | Spods: ICM? |
| 04:29.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What is my monitor in bits? |
| 04:29.35 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 04:29.40 | shinguz | fazer: I have it somewhere here but I cannot find it at the moment. It is just one diskette, you boot onto it and you have the full set of tools there to lowlevel drives |
| 04:29.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i dont know (= |
| 04:29.49 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: normally 24? right? |
| 04:29.57 | deadcat | ya |
| 04:30.09 | deadcat | i think. |
| 04:30.14 | fazer | shinguz: oh, darn. That would've been awesome |
| 04:30.19 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: if my monitor blows up im taking yours.. |
| 04:30.24 | deadcat | HAHAHAHA. |
| 04:30.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: did you pick medium then select one from the list? |
| 04:30.41 | Spods | fazer: s/ICM/IBM/ |
| 04:30.42 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I KNOW where you work. HAHAHA |
| 04:30.49 | Spods | twas a typo |
| 04:30.56 | shinguz | fazer: The easier way for you is just to enter the bios and try the ctrl-a. You should get a few more icons in the topo right corner of the bios where you should find the lowlevel. Called formatter or something iirc |
| 04:31.09 | fazer | Spods: oh i see. |
| 04:31.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Yeah... I should have picked expert... didnt show me freaking the resolution I wanted |
| 04:31.13 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: heheh. |
| 04:31.16 | fazer | shinguz: ooh, i see. Let me try that out then. |
| 04:31.41 | fazer | shinguz: the scary part of this all is that i was paniking almost that my other hard drive that I tried was a pain to remove aftwards since there was no ribbon attached |
| 04:31.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Everything is installed.. Uhh.. so xfrun4? |
| 04:31.49 | fazer | But i had a genius idea that worked beautifully |
| 04:31.54 | shinguz | fazer: Been a long time since I last had to use it but most of the Thinkpads have it there in anycase |
| 04:31.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 04:32.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: did you create a regular user yet? |
| 04:32.07 | TwistedEmotions | yeah |
| 04:32.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: apt-get install sudo |
| 04:32.14 | fazer | shinguz: have what? the disk? |
| 04:32.31 | shinguz | fazer: Umm.. no, the ctrl-a thingie |
| 04:32.37 | abarbaccia | deadcat, its in GNOME - the Networking one |
| 04:32.45 | abarbaccia | i was trying from the command line 1st |
| 04:32.51 | deadcat | abarbaccia: ah. no clue then. what does iwconfig give you? |
| 04:32.57 | shinguz | fazer: I am too lazy to boot up a Thinpad at the moment to check it out though |
| 04:33.13 | abarbaccia | lo - no wireless configs |
| 04:33.24 | deadcat | abarbaccia: doesnt show wlan0 ? |
| 04:33.28 | abarbaccia | yes it does |
| 04:33.32 | abarbaccia | hold |
| 04:33.35 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What was that sudo thing that you said does it automatically? sux? |
| 04:33.35 | shinguz | ifup the nic first |
| 04:33.44 | abarbaccia | http://pastebin.com/280747 |
| 04:33.46 | fazer | shinguz: oh, okay. i will reboot now. hopefully ttyl. |
| 04:33.48 | deadcat | !sux |
| 04:33.49 | dpkg | methinks sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 04:33.54 | shinguz | fazer: hey wait! |
| 04:34.03 | fazer | shinguz: oh okay |
| 04:34.18 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you would either use sux or sudo. most people use sudo |
| 04:34.43 | shinguz | fazer: If you lowlevel the drive you are on right now you have absolutely nothing there anymore! The lowlevel means you fill the entire drive with zeroes so *ALL* data on the drive will be lost forever |
| 04:34.52 | abarbaccia | deadcat, did you see the pastebin |
| 04:34.59 | fazer | shinguz: ah yeah, I understand. |
| 04:35.01 | deadcat | abarbaccia: no let me check |
| 04:35.01 | abarbaccia | it seems like its detecting the signal fine |
| 04:35.06 | shinguz | fazer: otoh it usually cures seriously balky drives |
| 04:35.14 | tag | deadcat: was there anything in particular you had to do to see the device? |
| 04:35.31 | fazer | shinguz: but will I have the option to change the disk "geometry" instead of filling the entire drive with 0s? |
| 04:35.33 | tag | sorry my wifi is droppin out like mad thats why I'm trying to switch to USB |
| 04:35.33 | tag | heh |
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| 04:35.55 | shinguz | fazer: Nope. Just the option of levelling or not |
| 04:36.04 | fazer | shinguz: and will levelling it help? |
| 04:36.13 | abarbaccia | deadcat, i dont think the drivers in linux work well, how can i disable them from detecting / setting up the card so i can use ndiswrapper |
| 04:36.32 | deadcat | tag: for usb wireless? only linux-wlan-ng works. and it sucks. |
| 04:36.33 | xsieve | The stable/testing/unstable versus main/source/contrib/non-free versus woody/sarge/sid thing is making my head spin |
| 04:36.35 | shinguz | fazer: I have been able to rescue several drives that have been either unrecognizable or just unuseable otherwise |
| 04:36.48 | deadcat | abarbaccia: what chipset is it? |
| 04:36.52 | xsieve | So the current testing 'sarge' becomes the next stable? |
| 04:36.53 | fazer | shinguz: oh, through low levelling? |
| 04:36.59 | shinguz | fazer: Yes |
| 04:37.04 | Spods | xsieve: it's pretty easy to work with once you know the process |
| 04:37.12 | Spods | xseive: yes |
| 04:37.21 | xsieve | And 'woody' used to be the testing version at some point in the past too then? |
| 04:37.25 | deadcat | abarbaccia: maybe conflicting with neighbor's linksys ? (= |
| 04:37.26 | abarbaccia | its a trendnet tew-421pc that has a Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface chipset |
| 04:37.33 | deadcat | xsieve: yes. |
| 04:37.33 | abarbaccia | deadcat, that's my linksys |
| 04:37.34 | fazer | shinguz: interesting, so, when I have done that low level, what's next? |
| 04:37.36 | Spods | xsieve: yep, woody was the last testing |
| 04:37.44 | Spods | before it became stable |
| 04:37.52 | abarbaccia | deadcat, its the default name on the wireless broadcast |
| 04:37.56 | deadcat | abarbaccia: ah. you using the acx110 or 111 driver? |
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| 04:38.03 | enigmus | how do I escape a string like 'x[xx]xx' so that it becomes 'xx\[xx\]xx'? (not manually, that is) |
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| 04:38.10 | tag | linux wlang-ng....why does it suck? |
| 04:38.13 | abarbaccia | deadcat, i don't even know how to tell - it was just detected |
| 04:38.27 | Spods | xsieve: once sarge becomes the new stable, etch will be the new testing |
| 04:38.30 | deadcat | tag: you'll see. |
| 04:38.37 | xsieve | Okay, got it! |
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| 04:38.45 | shinguz | fazer: Partition and install. The partitioner will think you have a brand new drive, never used, never installed, never partitioned. Makes for pretty good security too as it really wipes all data off the drive |
| 04:38.45 | EvanCarroll | Spods: won't sid become new testing, and etch new unstable |
| 04:38.46 | deadcat | abarbaccia: just detected. that doesnt sound like a debian system to me. |
| 04:38.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: gmdstart sais that its already started. |
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| 04:39.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 04:39.08 | fazer | shinguz: oh, so, when I lowlevel, and reboot, will I get the same error thouhg? |
| 04:39.10 | Spods | evancarroll: no, sid is always unstable, it will never change |
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| 04:39.26 | EvanCarroll | Spods: ah i thought they were cycled |
| 04:39.34 | abarbaccia | deadcat, well, i'm running ubuntu which is based off debian - but i used to use debian and just recently switched - the ubuntu chat is terrible - tons of newbs |
| 04:39.43 | deadcat | abarbaccia: #ubuntu |
| 04:39.46 | shinguz | fazer: Uh.. maybe. The error you get, does it involve a very stylized picture of a floppy? |
| 04:39.55 | deadcat | abarbaccia: down the hallway and just make a left bro. |
| 04:39.56 | Spods | evanarroll: the testing and stables are, sid will always be the codename for unstable |
| 04:40.11 | fazer | shinguz: hmm, damn, no. I think i remember seeing that indicating to press F1. I press f1 and then that error comes up |
| 04:40.13 | abarbaccia | deadcat, its worthless in there - im better offf trying to write my own driver |
| 04:40.26 | Spods | evancarroll: but what happens, if a package is in sid for 12 days without a bug or policy violation, it can be moved to testing |
| 04:40.28 | deadcat | abarbaccia: (=. hows that working out for you? |
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| 04:40.29 | fazer | fazer: but I do see like a big diagram looking like a floppy drive appear |
| 04:41.04 | abarbaccia | deadcat, do you know how to disable the detection of that card without recompiling the kernel? |
| 04:41.05 | steve_ | hey- you know how IBM has a thing that senses if your laptop is falling and it locks up the hard drive? can i get that to work in debian? |
| 04:41.06 | shinguz | fazer: I have a feeling that you should be able to just install on that drive normally. Have you tried it already? Easier to just install without the lowlevelling in anycase, less work. |
| 04:41.23 | deadcat | abarbaccia: check /etc/modules or /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 04:41.43 | fazer | shinguz: hmm, so I guess just put in the floppy and reboot? |
| 04:41.46 | shinguz | fazer: Ok, I think the system sees the drive but the drive is just empty, tehre is no o/s on it that the compute can see. Partition and install as usual |
| 04:41.47 | fazer | er...install CD that is |
| 04:41.53 | Spods | steve_: what do you mean locks up? |
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| 04:42.04 | fazer | shinguz: are you sure? my friend says there is data on it |
| 04:42.17 | shinguz | fazer: Do you need the data? |
| 04:42.24 | fazer | shinguz: atleast an OS.. |
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| 04:42.36 | fazer | shinguz: well, no, but this HDD is salvaged from a broken laptop. |
| 04:42.49 | jdhutchin1 | steve_, smartmontools |
| 04:42.50 | fazer | shinguz: so, you never know if this will be needed, but I don't think it will be needed anytime sooner. |
| 04:42.56 | shinguz | fazer: Arent you going to install Debian on it? A 600 is a very nice laptop with Debian you know... |
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| 04:43.03 | steve_ | smartmontools? |
| 04:43.10 | steve_ | a 600? |
| 04:43.17 | fazer | shinguz: oh yeah, I was thinking Ubuntu though |
| 04:43.25 | shinguz | fazer: No you werent |
| 04:43.27 | steve_ | well, my parents are buying me a laptop for college |
| 04:43.28 | fazer | shinguz: maybe dual boot with Debian ;) |
| 04:43.56 | Spods | fazer: or you could drop the Ubuntu, leave the Debian and cut out the middle man ;) |
| 04:44.00 | fazer | shinguz: one of the reasons why I use Ubuntu over Debian is because of Debian's similarity, and that I got a free LIve CD in the mail =) |
| 04:44.01 | shinguz | fazer: Fsck Ubuntu and go Debian. Better support and less hassle with all the braindead hacks Ubuntu has |
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| 04:44.29 | fazer | shinguz: haha, fine, I will ask my friend to burn me a copy then since I don't have a cd burner |
| 04:44.51 | deadcat | why dual boot 2 linux distro when you can run both at the same time. |
| 04:44.58 | Spods | fazer: or you could use the netboot floppies, or d-i whatever it;s called now |
| 04:45.17 | deadcat | fazer: debootstrap |
| 04:45.24 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: How do I get a real irc client installed on the GUI? This thing is freaking gay... Using a firefox program cause its the only thing I knew how to install |
| 04:45.27 | fazer | Hmmm, net install I guess? |
| 04:45.32 | fazer | That seems like an interesting idea. |
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| 04:45.43 | shinguz | fazer: Trust me on this one, installing a *working* Ubuntu onto the Thinkpad will nto be easy. Installing Debian is a hell of a lot easier as you can tell what the installer will do and what not. The less automagic the system is the easier you will have when configuring especially the sound and modem on the Thinkpad |
| 04:45.46 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: And how to I get back to command prompt |
| 04:45.50 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: did you install sux or sudo? |
| 04:45.58 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Both |
| 04:46.03 | fazer | shinguz: I am currently on Ubuntu |
| 04:46.03 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: ctrl+alt+fX |
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| 04:46.17 | fazer | shinguz: although getting my wifi, and especially the god damn sound to work was a huge pain in the ass. |
| 04:46.28 | shinguz | fazer: And do you have all the bells and whistles working on the Thinkpad then? I doubt it |
| 04:46.30 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: sux - to be root then apt-get install irssi-text |
| 04:46.36 | Spods | fazer: i don't bother with cd's or dvd's anymore, just download the base disks, build the base os and get on to the net for everthing else |
| 04:46.42 | xsieve | So if you are a package maintainer, do you typically run stable, testing, or unstable? Or doesn't it matter? |
| 04:46.43 | fazer | shinguz: bells and whistles? No, I have xfce running as my GUI |
| 04:47.08 | maher | xsieve: you probably have chroots for all 3 for debugging |
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| 04:47.10 | deadcat | xsieve: maintainers run gentoo |
| 04:47.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: LoL... now that I'm back to prompt how do I get back to gui? |
| 04:47.13 | fazer | shinguz: do you have experience with working with the 600e? It would be nice if I could get the modem working with Debian (if I install it ) |
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| 04:47.24 | shinguz | fazer: To ge the sound to work you have to go Alsa and uninstall all the l337 crap including hotplug and discover. usbmgr and cardmgr are the way to go with hardcoded irq and i/o for the sound |
| 04:47.25 | fazer | Or if I can get it to install tha tis. |
| 04:47.26 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: al+f7 HAHAHAH |
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| 04:47.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: click on that terminal thing in xfce4 |
| 04:47.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk |
| 04:48.14 | TwistedEmotions | already out on command consul so might as well install using prompt then switch back.. |
| 04:48.22 | fazer | shinguz: oh, but I was still hoping to run the OS on this hard drive =/ |
| 04:48.27 | shinguz | fazer: For that you will need the Mwave dsp modules and to get *all* the bells and whistles working on the 600E you will also have to make a custom kernel with the thinkpad modules on it. Plus the Thinkpad utilities... Very l337 though |
| 04:48.51 | fazer | shinguz: sounds l33t, but way too 1337 for me. Atleast I have wifi working just fine |
| 04:48.56 | tag | deadcat: Does linux wlan-ng require the 2.4 kernel or something? Or am I missing something? |
| 04:49.10 | shinguz | fazer: ph34r the l337 ;) |
| 04:49.11 | deadcat | tag: 2.4 2.6 work |
| 04:49.22 | fazer | shinguz: haha :P |
| 04:49.32 | Spods | !l337 |
| 04:49.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, l337 is how lamers express cool when they *THINK* something is 'neet', also see 31337, leet, elite, or oliver |
| 04:49.44 | fazer | shinguz: anyways, I will see if the Ubuntu installer sees the hard drive. btw, is the boot record stored in the disk drive? |
| 04:49.53 | shinguz | fazer: Seriously speaking making the TP600E is not too hard, you just have to do a few things by hand instead of relying on the automagical installers which usually fsck the system up somehow |
| 04:49.53 | Morvok | hrm.. |
| 04:50.02 | shinguz | fazer: Yes |
| 04:50.08 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Installed... how do I start it from gui now? |
| 04:50.19 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: start what? |
| 04:50.24 | fazer | shinguz: hmm, thanks for your help. |
| 04:50.27 | Morvok | is there known problems with pppoe/pppoeconf? |
| 04:50.35 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: IRC Client... the irsii or whatever |
| 04:50.48 | steve_ | !oliver |
| 04:50.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, oliver is just an 31337 op on irc-2.mit.edu |
| 04:50.48 | fazer | shinguz: i will ttyl hopefully and see if I can get the hard drive to work. |
| 04:50.50 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: open xterm or a terminal. irssi |
| 04:51.10 | fazer | shinguz: oh and btw, I press CTRL + A in the main menu of the BIOS, right? |
| 04:51.14 | shinguz | fazer: I will be here unless someone bans me :) |
| 04:51.30 | jair_11 | hello guys, I have a friend laptop, guys, how I do configure the adsl connection with ppoe authentication? |
| 04:51.40 | fazer | shinguz: haha, I think you will be fine, you were helpful enough. |
| 04:51.41 | shinguz | fazer: You can try it in any of the bios screens, it either opens up a few extra icons or not, it will nto break anything |
| 04:51.51 | deadcat | jair_11: pppoeconfig |
| 04:51.57 | Spods | jair_ll: ppoeconf or pon should be able to do it |
| 04:52.08 | jair_11 | I need to get the dns server? or the nameserver is the same? |
| 04:52.12 | jair_11 | from the ISP? |
| 04:52.15 | fazer | shinguz: oh and I forgot to mention one more thing, the trackpoint on my thinkpad 600e failed on a long while ago. I had to go to the CMOS and disable it. *that* seemed very l33t. |
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| 04:52.31 | Spods | it's not that evil |
| 04:52.33 | deadcat | jair_11: just run and follow the instructions |
| 04:52.38 | jair_11 | deadcat, that will be a command in the debian konsole? |
| 04:52.42 | shinguz | fazer: Hmmm... get another keyboard? |
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| 04:52.50 | fazer | shinguz: so now, my trackpoint doesn't work and I have to rely on a USB mouse. |
| 04:52.58 | deadcat | jair_11: ya. console. not konsole unless you using kde |
| 04:52.59 | fazer | shinguz: you mean mouse? trackpoint = mouse =) |
| 04:53.08 | shinguz | fazer: I still fail to see how it actually failed, they have no moving parts anywhere |
| 04:53.22 | ash_ | deadcat: Aww.. irssi sucks... no user list all text based.. ;P |
| 04:53.25 | fazer | shinguz: i don't know, I guess it just malfunctioned or something the damn laptop won't even boot up! |
| 04:53.26 | jair_11 | deadcat, sorry I know, I am a kde user. |
| 04:53.35 | xsieve | Kudos to all for answering my basic questions tonight! :-) |
| 04:53.35 | deadcat | ash_: HAHAHAH. try xchat then |
| 04:53.41 | deadcat | jair_11: boooo |
| 04:53.44 | ash_ | deadcat: kk |
| 04:53.45 | fazer | xchat feels...heavy |
| 04:53.51 | jair_11 | deadcat, hahaha |
| 04:53.55 | jair_11 | it is ok though |
| 04:53.57 | shinguz | fazer: Maybe the ribbon cable is loose inside the laptop. Get the Hardware Maintenance Manual off the IBM support site for that specific laptop and open it up, the 600 is not too hard |
| 04:54.14 | Iron | hi jair_11 |
| 04:54.19 | Iron | ;) |
| 04:54.30 | jair_11 | Iron, hi |
| 04:54.34 | fazer | shinguz: before my trackpoint failed, it was a pain in the ass to use it. Sometimes the mouse pointer would move on its own or would just get stuck on the side of the screen some place. |
| 04:54.37 | tag | ok, deadcat |
| 04:54.51 | shinguz | fazer: This under windows i presume |
| 04:55.48 | poli | fazer, oh... you have one of those small points you have to push between F and G in the keyboard? |
| 04:55.48 | bucky | hey grumpydog |
| 04:55.57 | tag | I'm having trouble getting my thing tow ork |
| 04:55.58 | fazer | shinguz: yes, but then suddenly my laptop won't boot up, after googling, I found out that it had failed, some other use had the same problem as me. |
| 04:56.05 | fazer | poli: between G, H and B |
| 04:56.09 | fazer | middle of those keys. |
| 04:56.11 | shinguz | fazer: The Windows Trackpoint driver has some very odd autocalibration utility which attempts to calibrate the mouse and makes the pointer wander. I have never seen that happen with linux though |
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| 04:56.50 | shinguz | fazer: Try to find another Trackpoint from almost any other Thinkpad, iirc they are pretty much interchangeable |
| 04:56.53 | fazer | shinguz: oh, but it doesn't matter now, because if i initialize it, my laptop wont boot.' |
| 04:56.56 | poli | fazer, yeah that mouse uses a calibration (supposedly done by hardware) to compensate possible "out of center" tendencies. |
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| 04:57.29 | poli | fazer, if you stay too long pushing with the same power, the compensation mechanism will come on and your mouse pointer will stop, as if you did no force at all. |
| 04:57.52 | fazer | poli: oh? you have used this model of thinkpads before? |
| 04:57.56 | poli | fazer, and then when you stop the pressure, it will come to the other way for some time, until it compensates again. |
| 04:58.10 | poli | fazer, I had a damn toshiba with this exact same mechanism. |
| 04:58.33 | fazer | poli: oh, but, its been disabled from the CMOS for a while now, if I re-enable it, I will get the same boot error. |
| 04:59.06 | shinguz | poli: As long as the laptop doesn't have one of those ultrasucky touchpads |
| 04:59.08 | poli | fazer, you could have a problem in this compensation mechanism. It is not standard PS/2 that I can tell you. |
| 04:59.16 | deadcat | my fucking 15min UPS is useless. power went out this morning. killed my desktop right away. all the shit did was "beeep" beep". woke me up. )= |
| 04:59.19 | fazer | poli: i know =( |
| 04:59.30 | fazer | poli: anyways, I will go reboot now and hopefully make the 20 GB work with me. |
| 04:59.48 | poli | shingouz, The best thing that I have ever seen for laptops was the good old track ball. But no one seems to build those any longer. |
| 04:59.54 | fazer | shinguz: thanks a lot for your help, I will see if I can get something installed . |
| 04:59.56 | poli | fazer, good luck |
| 05:00.01 | fazer | poli: thank you |
| 05:00.10 | shinguz | fazer: I will cross my fingers |
| 05:00.21 | Spods | deacat: surely your UPS is good for 15mins? |
| 05:00.31 | shinguz | poli: I tend to like the Trackpoint better with the trackball a close second |
| 05:00.38 | fazer | shinguz: thanks again. cya |
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| 05:01.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How do I change monitor resolution... letters are all fuzzy |
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| 05:03.44 | shinguz | TwistedEmotions: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:04.26 | TwistedEmotions | shinquiz: thanks |
| 05:04.41 | shinguz | TwistedEmotions: /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 05:04.45 | shinguz | darn |
| 05:05.12 | poli | shinguz, if you like trackpoints, give a look at this page http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/user/tp/tp.html |
| 05:05.28 | Morvok | ok, I am getting ppp0: error fetching interface information: device not found. the ppp mods and stuff are all installed, what is going on? |
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| 05:06.55 | jair_11 | good night guys |
| 05:07.13 | ash_ | someone just game me the command to reconfig my monitor... plz repeat? |
| 05:07.22 | ash_ | <--Twisted Emo |
| 05:07.28 | deadcat | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:07.33 | ash_ | thank |
| 05:07.35 | ash_ | s |
| 05:08.09 | Morvok | any ideas? |
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| 05:08.58 | Iron | lots |
| 05:09.15 | maher | Morvok: did you do MAKEDEV ppp in /dev |
| 05:09.27 | Spods | argh! redhat infects my searches on google everywhere!! |
| 05:10.04 | Spods | try to get information on how to configure SVGATextMode and all i get is redhat has SVGATextMode installed plus 100 other random packages |
| 05:10.05 | shinguz | poli: Neat |
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| 05:11.25 | steve_ | what happened to debianBSD? |
| 05:11.35 | Morvok | maher:yes. |
| 05:11.45 | sether | wtf is DebianBSD |
| 05:11.55 | steve_ | it is bedianBSD |
| 05:12.08 | ash_ | Is video card bus identifier like 0000:01:00.0? |
| 05:12.10 | sether | um |
| 05:12.10 | caphuso | steve_: http://www.debian.org/ports/#nonlinux |
| 05:12.29 | maher | steve_: people son't seem to be working on it much |
| 05:12.30 | steve_ | is it like bsd with apt? |
| 05:12.36 | Spods | ash: generally, yes |
| 05:12.43 | Spods | ash: oh wait, no |
| 05:12.52 | maher | Morvok: paste what you type and the error in #flood |
| 05:13.08 | ash_ | Spods: Errr.. what? |
| 05:13.23 | maher | steve_: its a port of debian to the bsd kernel |
| 05:13.30 | Spods | ash: im confused, 0000:01:00.0 is your video card, but i can't remember if it's the identifier you want for dpkg-reconffigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 05:14.21 | steve_ | is BSD better for some reason than linux? |
| 05:14.24 | ash_ | Anyone know what identifies I should use for xserver reconfig? |
| 05:14.27 | deadcat | ash_: what video card? |
| 05:14.45 | ash_ | 9700 Pro? |
| 05:14.46 | ash_ | Ati |
| 05:14.52 | deadcat | ash_: just press enter |
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| 05:15.05 | ash_ | Enter amount of ram? |
| 05:15.11 | dos000 | how do i know who is using my sound device ? |
| 05:15.12 | Spods | i wouldnt |
| 05:15.12 | deadcat | 24? |
| 05:15.14 | ash_ | didnt ask that last time.. |
| 05:15.24 | ash_ | negative |
| 05:15.27 | maher | ash_: unless you are on ppc or have more than one card you can ignore those questions |
| 05:15.28 | deadcat | dos000: lsof /dev/dsp or fuser -v /dev/dsp |
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| 05:15.39 | ash_ | either 64 or 128? |
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| 05:15.45 | Spods | ash: i did for my friend, and it later turned out to cause a problem with xinerama (two monitors, one vga card) |
| 05:15.51 | maher | ash_: try leaving it blank |
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| 05:15.55 | ash_ | 32 or 64 i mean |
| 05:15.56 | ash_ | kk |
| 05:16.11 | _root__ | yo |
| 05:16.11 | deadcat | ash_: all those are 24 |
| 05:17.12 | dos000 | deadcat, i have totem complaining that someone is using the audio device altho lsof /dev/dsp returns nothing ! |
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| 05:17.19 | ash_ | Err... have a 5 button mouse... emulate 3 button mouse: No? |
| 05:17.32 | Spods | ash: say yes |
| 05:17.37 | deadcat | dos000: what does fuser -v show? |
| 05:17.44 | ash_ | Spods: kk |
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| 05:18.11 | dos000 | deadcat, nothing as well |
| 05:20.22 | Spods | ash: did you get your identifier in the end? |
| 05:20.33 | Spods | i just found the config file i had to use for a friend |
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| 05:23.16 | ash_ | exit |
| 05:23.21 | ash_ | lol |
| 05:23.33 | Spods | /disconnect will do it |
| 05:24.00 | TwistedEmotions | yeah I know.. wasn't paying attention... got too use to "exit" to quit |
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| 05:24.23 | TwistedEmotions | Hmmm... still looks the same... maybe the font is shitty. |
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| 05:24.55 | TwistedEmotions | there we go. |
| 05:25.17 | TwistedEmotions | Wow. Reconfigured for nothing... what a waste of time. |
| 05:25.47 | Spods | if you learned that it was for nothing, it wasn't a waste of time |
| 05:25.53 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: font is shitty? did you select ati during configure? |
| 05:26.03 | TwistedEmotions | Spods: True. |
| 05:26.15 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Yuuuppp. |
| 05:26.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Just increased the size... look alright now. |
| 05:26.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ah. you mean resolution or size? |
| 05:27.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Thought I meant the resolution but perhaps I meant size? |
| 05:28.00 | deadcat | remove the 800x600 and the other ones you dont want from the config. |
| 05:28.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Where is that one file..."man now_that_you_got_debian_installed_become_l33t_woOt_hacker"? |
| 05:28.54 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: /etc (= |
| 05:29.00 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Fine for now ;) |
| 05:29.21 | Spods | twistedemotions: your trying to get a larger screen size in x? |
| 05:29.30 | TwistedEmotions | Grrr... one place I would never think to look. Sneaky basterds. |
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| 05:30.06 | TwistedEmotions | Spods: You mean lower the resolution... that would be cool... but afraid if I do that then the font will look even worse. |
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| 05:31.03 | bsims | By the gods mrxvt is just too damn cool, tabbed xterm without 11,986 libs |
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| 05:31.24 | tecta | hey, how do i change my window manager? |
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| 05:31.28 | Spods | twistedemotions: if you have multiple resolutions configured you can do "Ctrl,Alt,+" or "Ctrl,Alt,-" to cycle through them. gives you a view of what they look like |
| 05:31.32 | tecta | default one |
| 05:31.47 | mulder | what's the difference between kernel-source and kernel-tree package? |
| 05:32.08 | deadcat | mulder: source is basically kernel.org with debian patches |
| 05:32.24 | tecta | Xsession i think right? |
| 05:32.36 | zeeble | !jirka cissp_prep_guide_mastering_the_ten_domains_of_computer_security_wiley_2001.pdf |
| 05:32.45 | deadcat | tecta: ya. .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 05:32.46 | mulder | deadcat: and tree is? |
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| 05:32.58 | tecta | which part tho, like is it in a var ? |
| 05:33.02 | deadcat | mulder: dont have tree |
| 05:33.10 | Spods | a meta package for all the kernel-sources in a particular branch i think |
| 05:33.11 | TwistedEmotions | X11 means GUI? |
| 05:33.18 | deadcat | tecta: ~/.xsession |
| 05:33.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. |
| 05:33.26 | Spods | ie 2.6.1 2.6.2 2.6.3 |
| 05:33.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk |
| 05:33.36 | bsims | tecta: check in /etc/ if ya want it universal |
| 05:33.40 | mulder | kernel-tree-2.6.8 - Linux kernel source tree for building Debian kernel images |
| 05:33.44 | mulder | not very descriptive :| |
| 05:33.49 | mulder | considering how similar it is to kernel-source |
| 05:33.56 | caphuso | mulder: how about reading the full description? |
| 05:34.09 | tecta | like willl it be $PROGNAME=wmhere ? |
| 05:34.12 | deadcat | mulder: no clue |
| 05:34.13 | mulder | caphuso: good idea heh |
| 05:34.13 | Spods | you probably want source, not tree |
| 05:34.36 | mulder | deadcat, Spods: m'kay thanks. |
| 05:35.10 | sparr_ | I amhaving a problem with whatever font Mozilla uses. This just started happening. Part of every capital R is missing. Help? See illustration here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/YBGmWL30.html |
| 05:35.15 | bsims | tecta: /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 05:35.34 | bsims | I'm just taking a drunken guess but I think thats what ya want |
| 05:35.51 | jbmigel | so is there some hidden etch repo somewhere with xorg and stuff just waiting for sarge release? cuz if there is ima dist-upgrade right now! |
| 05:36.04 | mulder | okay. 'tree' is source, but with every single incremental patch documented in case you need to roll back to a particular revision |
| 05:36.26 | Spods | yeah, thought it was something bigger than just source alone |
| 05:36.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How do I run zblast? |
| 05:36.43 | bsims | so its like having a CVS of it |
| 05:37.04 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: zblast |
| 05:37.08 | Spods | if you just need a kernel to compile, source is the go |
| 05:37.11 | tecta | i'm confused tho, like where do i type in my wm in the file (what part) |
| 05:37.23 | bsims | interesting, I am still on 2.4x as I have no pressing need for 2.6's features |
| 05:37.24 | caphuso | mulder: yeah, that explains why an installed tree packages needs only a few kbyte of disk space |
| 05:37.43 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Err... installed it... zblast Command not found. |
| 05:37.58 | maher | TwistedEmotions: dpkg -L zblast |
| 05:38.00 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: dpkg -L zblast-x11 |
| 05:38.14 | deadcat | tecta: what the f? |
| 05:38.23 | bsims | aka HAL can kiss my butt... I know what /dev/foo/usb/device it mounts as; and have entries in /etc/fstab accordingly |
| 05:38.35 | mulder | caphuso: it does? told me i needed 37mb hdd heh |
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| 05:38.45 | deadcat | tecta: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.xsession ? |
| 05:38.45 | caphuso | !info kernel-tree-2.6.8 |
| 05:38.49 | dpkg | kernel-tree-2.6.8: (Linux kernel source tree for building Debian kernel images), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-15 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 05:38.49 | mulder | i'm grabbing source now though, since i dont need all those patches in tree |
| 05:38.57 | caphuso | note the Installed size: 56 kB |
| 05:39.28 | mulder | weird... apt-get reports a 35MB package download size, and 37MB installed size |
| 05:39.41 | caphuso | mulder: that's because you're not reading the output correctly |
| 05:40.04 | Spods | im outta here |
| 05:40.10 | caphuso | it tells you the sum of all packages it's going to install, including the -source package sucked in as a dependancy |
| 05:40.11 | bsims | I got bored and made a screenshot of my Wmaker session http://rafb.net/paste/results/YBGmWL30.htm |
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| 05:40.22 | bsims | damn thats not it |
| 05:40.42 | mulder | i guess so |
| 05:40.47 | deadcat | bsims: it sucks |
| 05:40.47 | mulder | the dependencies include source |
| 05:40.51 | bsims | http://home.insightbb.com/~bmsims1/wmaker-menus.png |
| 05:40.52 | mulder | which takes up the most room |
| 05:41.02 | bsims | there we go stupid X |
| 05:41.28 | deadcat | bsims: gtk2 now? it still sucks.. /suse? you suck. (= |
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| 05:41.46 | bsims | deadcat: its that way for histerical reasons |
| 05:42.06 | TwistedEmotions | LoL... Zblast must be designed for for crack heads or something cause my shit runs at super speed and sound is techno music |
| 05:42.09 | bsims | I switched from SuSE 7.something to Sid years ago |
| 05:42.25 | caphuso | mulder: the last paragraph of the -tree package description reads "The package serves no purpose outside of the Debian build and archive infrastructure." |
| 05:42.30 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: HAHAHAHAH |
| 05:42.34 | bsims | deadcat: gtk2? |
| 05:42.37 | mulder | caphuso: yeah i read that bit too heh |
| 05:42.41 | jbmigel | anyone know where .deb is for glhack? |
| 05:42.51 | deadcat | bsims: something like anti-aliase |
| 05:43.20 | bsims | Ah, well I /like/ anti-aliased fonts, I know kids these days |
| 05:43.26 | caphuso | mulder: since i'm pretty sure that you're not in any way responsible or involved in the debian kernel build and archive infrastructure, you can read that as "ignore this package, it doesn't exist in your universe" |
| 05:43.30 | slugbug | I can't stand 'em |
| 05:43.53 | bsims | slugbug: Eh, well it depends on the fonts |
| 05:43.53 | mulder | caphuso: fair assumption |
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| 05:44.30 | slugbug | bsims: yeah, gtk2 kept making the screen font too small, finally figured out how to change it to something that looked better |
| 05:45.06 | bsims | Ah I viewed it in Konq looked fine |
| 05:45.10 | slugbug | why they can't just use XLFDs I don't know |
| 05:45.35 | TwistedEmotions | Is jabber-aim best GUI based AIM client? |
| 05:45.41 | Iron | no |
| 05:45.46 | Iron | gaim is |
| 05:46.08 | TwistedEmotions | Iron: Thanks |
| 05:46.13 | slugbug | oh man, programming the Palm OS is NOT fun |
| 05:46.35 | Iron | lol slug...either is the ipaq |
| 05:47.03 | slugbug | Iron: I don't know anything about pocket PCs, but they've got to be easier than the Palm |
| 05:47.19 | Iron | you are correct,they are |
| 05:47.21 | slugbug | now I see why there's so little software for it |
| 05:47.26 | Iron | I wont mess with palm |
| 05:47.28 | Iron | :) |
| 05:47.34 | Subvertir | The ipaq runs linux/Qt doesn't it? |
| 05:47.38 | Subvertir | and has a python interpreter? |
| 05:47.38 | slugbug | or rather, so much crap and so little actual good stuff |
| 05:47.44 | Subvertir | sounds like that'd be pretty easy to work with |
| 05:47.48 | Iron | yeah sub it does |
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| 05:48.05 | slugbug | Subvertir: yeah, there's a Debian-type distribution designed for it, "Familiar" I think |
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| 05:48.15 | Iron | ya familiar |
| 05:48.19 | Iron | buggy but works |
| 05:48.21 | slugbug | but that's not what it runs usually |
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| 05:48.38 | slugbug | I'm thinking about buying an old iPaq and trying that |
| 05:48.42 | slugbug | ooh, or a Zaurus |
| 05:48.48 | Iron | I have an old and new ipaq |
| 05:48.57 | Iron | familiar was a pain but worked |
| 05:49.11 | slugbug | but yeah, all the resources and events and such made my head explode |
| 05:49.21 | Iron | I couldnt imagine handleing a palm |
| 05:49.23 | slugbug | after which I decided to try some assembly on the C64 |
| 05:49.23 | Iron | lol |
| 05:49.24 | jmd | Why doesn't mozilla's ctrl-K in the address entry box work anymore? |
| 05:49.36 | slugbug | that made so much sense that it also made my head explode by making so much sense |
| 05:49.41 | Iron | lol |
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| 05:50.12 | slugbug | trouble being that it's hard to get much done in assembly :) |
| 05:50.35 | bsims | `mrxvt -rv -sr -bt -geometry 108x42 -sl 2000 -fn 9x15` plus entries in various .files... damn thats ugly but works great |
| 05:51.07 | slugbug | "mrxvt"? |
| 05:51.15 | deadcat | .Xdefaults |
| 05:51.22 | Iron | sux |
| 05:51.29 | slugbug | never heard of it |
| 05:51.41 | bsims | tabable rxvt... think Konsole or Gnome-terminal without 19,752 libs |
| 05:51.44 | slugbug | ah, a tabbed one |
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| 05:51.46 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.53 | slugbug | cool, I think I might try that |
| 05:52.01 | bsims | just an apt-get away |
| 05:52.05 | Iron | google = goodshit |
| 05:52.36 | slugbug | I keep forgetting how much I love Debian (used to use red hat) |
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| 05:53.00 | Iron | I did red hat once...I gagged |
| 05:53.01 | bsims | slugbug: Yeah, Snobian just kicks DeadRats buttocks |
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| 05:53.15 | slugbug | heh heh |
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| 05:53.32 | slugbug | cool terminal |
| 05:53.37 | jetdotnet | ugh the weekend |
| 05:53.42 | Iron | lol |
| 05:53.47 | Iron | most love the weekend |
| 05:53.55 | bsims | Though I am interested to see what Novell with its habit of screwing up good tech with lousy marketing does with LuSE |
| 05:54.04 | jetdotnet | let me rephrase... ugh, the weekend in #debian |
| 05:54.09 | Iron | lol |
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| 05:54.25 | dhruv | hey is there a shell command to print the error number of the last command? i vaguely remember something like that? |
| 05:54.38 | bsims | localtime is something like 00:54 |
| 05:54.45 | TwistedEmotions | Ahhh... gay font was a resolution problem ;) Weee... forgot to set correct resolutions.. |
| 05:54.45 | jetdotnet | lies |
| 05:54.49 | Iron | or a bottle of whiskey |
| 05:54.58 | jetdotnet | !gay |
| 05:54.58 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 05:55.05 | jetdotnet | !ghey |
| 05:55.05 | dpkg | ghey is probably the same as "gay", you homophobe |
| 05:55.05 | slugbug | TwistedEmotions: I had that problem, yeah |
| 05:55.17 | slugbug | everything looks good at 100dpi |
| 05:55.25 | jetdotnet | i hate both those factoids |
| 05:55.26 | Iron | <slugbug> TwistedEmotions: I had that problem, yeah |
| 05:55.30 | Iron | being ghey? |
| 05:55.32 | TwistedEmotions | slugbug: Fix it? I can help you... I know how. |
| 05:55.34 | Iron | ;) |
| 05:55.41 | slugbug | ha ha, no, the fonts |
| 05:55.44 | Iron | oh |
| 05:55.45 | Iron | :) |
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| 05:56.07 | rommer | how can i change the ip address of my eth0 connection in command line>? |
| 05:56.17 | jetdotnet | edit that file thingy |
| 05:56.20 | jetdotnet | in /etc |
| 05:56.29 | jetdotnet | starts with a....a.... |
| 05:56.42 | jmd | rommer: man ifconfig |
| 05:56.47 | Morvok | ifconfig -i eth0 ip-address |
| 05:56.52 | jetdotnet | lies |
| 05:57.12 | ajd | when will kde 3.4 get into unstable? |
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| 05:57.16 | jetdotnet | never |
| 05:57.19 | bsims | When its ready |
| 05:57.23 | jetdotnet | but it's on alioth |
| 05:57.23 | deadcat | jetdotnet: i was gonna say (= |
| 05:57.40 | streuner | ajd: ask #debian-kde |
| 05:57.47 | ajd | ok |
| 05:57.47 | TwistedEmotions | I got a Video Capture card... anyone know what program I can use to view TV/record TV? Also it had a remote.. I'm fuckered huh? |
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| 05:57.56 | slugbug | TwistedEmotions: what kind? |
| 05:58.07 | TwistedEmotions | slugbug: Generica 2005? |
| 05:58.09 | TwistedEmotions | LoL.. |
| 05:58.11 | bsims | ajd: last I heard in #debian-devel Sarge is scheduled for may 30th, but then they didn't say what year.... |
| 05:58.12 | jetdotnet | linux video studio or something like that |
| 05:58.12 | TwistedEmotions | really dont remember |
| 05:58.26 | slugbug | I've got a Leadtek "winfast 2000 blah something foo", cx88 chipset (that's what matters) |
| 05:58.32 | jetdotnet | TwistedEmotions: there are lots on marilatt |
| 05:58.33 | slugbug | xawtv works fine |
| 05:58.58 | bsims | TwistedEmotions: with my budget its a Generica 2000 |
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| 05:59.04 | jetdotnet | sarge has been deprecated |
| 05:59.13 | bsims | I am using some wierd Raedon |
| 05:59.18 | TwistedEmotions | let me see if I can find it... |
| 05:59.25 | TwistedEmotions | all over ebay I'm preety sure |
| 05:59.32 | jetdotnet | yes, sarge is on ebay |
| 05:59.34 | bsims | I bought it at WorstBuy years ago |
| 05:59.56 | slugbug | there's only a few video capture chipsets that are currently in use (bt878, cx88, and something by Philips) |
| 06:00.04 | slugbug | all of those are supported with V4L |
| 06:00.07 | jetdotnet | sa71?? |
| 06:00.14 | slugbug | yeah, saa7something |
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| 06:00.28 | jetdotnet | mine is 7110, there are a few others in the 7 series |
| 06:00.33 | bsims | I don't game, the most intensive thing I do is watch DVD's while running Xterms and Kmail so meh |
| 06:00.45 | slugbug | same here pretty much |
| 06:00.46 | jetdotnet | i just use my vid card |
| 06:00.49 | TwistedEmotions | slugbug: yeah... it was something by philips.. |
| 06:00.50 | kamela | so, i'm on G7 already, i wanted my own |
| 06:01.05 | jetdotnet | the phillips might be a tv decoder, just a guess |
| 06:01.08 | slugbug | I've got two 4MB S3 something cards, and it works sometimes |
| 06:01.11 | slugbug | jetdotnet: yeah |
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| 06:01.33 | slugbug | I mean, sometimes I wish I had more, but most of the time it's adequate |
| 06:01.43 | bsims | Its been years since something broke on upgrade |
| 06:01.46 | HellMind | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.50 | slugbug | the only gaming I do is old video/computer games in emulators mainly |
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| 06:01.51 | HellMind | what to touch to fix that |
| 06:01.52 | TwistedEmotions | assuming it's the Philips one what program should I use? |
| 06:02.09 | bsims | slugbug: Yeah I hear ya |
| 06:02.11 | slugbug | TwistedEmotions: Video For Linux, it's a set of kernel modules basically |
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| 06:04.27 | bsims | http://home.insightbb.com/~bmsims1/pan_0.14.2.91.cvs.20050502-1_i386.deb if anyone wants a CVS deb of Pan built on Sid |
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| 06:04.41 | TwistedEmotions | slugbug: apt-get install libpt-plugins-v412? |
| 06:05.03 | jbmigel | I was playing doom3 in ubuntu earlier today and it crashed my whole system i had to reboot, i figured if i must reboot might as well install debian now and here i am |
| 06:05.04 | bsims | the CVS has vastly improved memory handling |
| 06:05.11 | bsims | jbmigel: hehe |
| 06:05.25 | jbmigel | :) |
| 06:05.51 | slugbug | TwistedEmotions: I don't know, you should have the modules already unless you compiled your own kernel and didn't select them |
| 06:06.16 | TwistedEmotions | slugbug: Oh.. so all I need is a application? |
| 06:06.24 | bsims | I just got tired of handpatching libs and apps into my LuSE FrankenBox... the idea of paying $80USD for a distro that doesn't support upgrades between versions just chapped my butt |
| 06:06.40 | slugbug | TwistedEmotions: um, it depends if the kernel's recognized the device |
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| 06:06.56 | slugbug | check if there's a /dev/video or /dev/video0 |
| 06:07.46 | slugbug | heh, that's a good quit message |
| 06:08.14 | bsims | mine is "Screw you guys, I'm going /home" |
| 06:08.18 | buu | bsims: Where do you get these walls? |
| 06:08.45 | bsims | buu: the wall paper? I found it one day on kdelook... I can dcc it to ya |
| 06:08.59 | buu | bsims: No, only commies dcc. |
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| 06:10.23 | kamela | lol frankenbox |
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| 06:10.34 | Iron | derp |
| 06:10.40 | kamela | i'ma have to use that as a s/n somewhere |
| 06:10.42 | kamela | too quaint |
| 06:11.51 | bsims | buu: http://home.insightbb.com/~bmsims1/7997-2.jpg |
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| 06:13.25 | clav | can anyone suggest why my ctrl-alt-backspace has stopped working? or where I'd look to reset it? |
| 06:13.59 | bsims | kamela: I had rpms from Mandrake, PLD, DeadRat, and a few other lesser known distros in that thing |
| 06:14.01 | deadcat | clav: check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for zap |
| 06:14.17 | kamela | yummy |
| 06:14.20 | deadcat | clav: or one of your key is fucked |
| 06:14.27 | kamela | that's what happens when you use rpm distros |
| 06:14.32 | IDC | is " */5 * * * * ./updateip.sh " will do the job that " in every five minutes run ./updateip.sh " ? |
| 06:14.34 | kamela | i had a similar effect on a slackware box |
| 06:14.35 | Iron | rpm? |
| 06:14.38 | kamela | quite run |
| 06:14.40 | Iron | lol |
| 06:14.44 | kamela | *fun |
| 06:14.56 | bsims | yeah I got real good at RPM and then I decided I had better things to do than build packages myself and sweat deps |
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| 06:14.59 | clav | deadcat, thanks, i checked the keymap it looks good, maybe it was an X update |
| 06:15.23 | bsims | Debian: Apt-get into it |
| 06:15.24 | deadcat | IDC: yes |
| 06:15.37 | deadcat | bsims: whats the background image for? |
| 06:15.56 | IDC | deadcat, but,i meant to run that command as normal user,will it be like that with that settings ? |
| 06:15.57 | bsims | deadcat: I use it in KDE and windowmaker as wallpaper |
| 06:16.09 | deadcat | bsims: ah |
| 06:16.16 | bsims | Its a grey version of a KDE 3x default wallpaper |
| 06:16.17 | deadcat | bsims: your screenrc is kinna weak (= |
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| 06:16.33 | bsims | deadcat: Eh, I wrote it for me. |
| 06:17.13 | deadcat | IDC: use fullpath |
| 06:17.22 | gnat_x | is there a repository that has php5 for sarge? |
| 06:17.28 | IDC | deadcat, let me check |
| 06:17.47 | bsims | like it says I got tired of all the screenrcs that acted like they were revealing the secrets of the Multiverse... It would have killed them to actualy bother to write documentation? |
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| 06:18.38 | deadcat | IDC: ya. i was addicted to messing with .screenrc few weeks back (= |
| 06:18.49 | deadcat | # $Id: .screenrc,v 1.17 2005/04/08 22:06:23 deadcat Exp $ |
| 06:19.11 | slugbug | oh man I love screen |
| 06:19.17 | IDC | deadcat, */10 * * * * ./etc/cron.hourly/updateip.sh ? |
| 06:19.20 | slugbug | I haven't messed with screenrc though |
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| 06:19.23 | deadcat | slugbug: ya. one of the best software |
| 06:19.38 | deadcat | IDC: what the fuck. screw the . |
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| 06:19.50 | IDC | oh lol what you mean ? |
| 06:19.55 | bsims | deadcat: it didn't need much but yea Gods and little fishes the docs on the dotfiles could teach MS how to suck the chrome off of a trailer hitch at 20yards |
| 06:19.56 | IDC | hmm |
| 06:19.59 | deadcat | /etc/cront.hourly/udpateip.sh |
| 06:20.01 | simonrvn | wth, remove the . |
| 06:20.18 | deadcat | IDC: and what the fuck. if its in cron.hourly. it runs HOURLY. |
| 06:20.19 | IDC | I see ,thanks,let me try |
| 06:20.22 | simonrvn | ./ means in $PWD |
| 06:20.39 | bsims | PuTTY and GNU Screen... don't leave /home without them |
| 06:20.40 | slugbug | wow, slrn is cool |
| 06:20.48 | simonrvn | um, and you don't need an extra entry, remove it entirely |
| 06:21.00 | IDC | deadcat, hmm,yeah ,its put in that folder by default,but i will "have to" run it in every 10 otherwise it will stop working |
| 06:21.02 | deadcat | bsims: the hell is putty for ? (= |
| 06:21.03 | simonrvn | like deadcat said, it'll run hourly |
| 06:21.08 | bsims | slugbug: yeah I switched years ago from TIN, I needed better filtering |
| 06:21.14 | deadcat | IDC: ah |
| 06:21.17 | bsims | deadcat: it makes Windows bearable |
| 06:21.27 | simonrvn | IDC: you know, you can always *move* it |
| 06:21.34 | IDC | deadcat, by the way,there isn't a minutely. thing in that folder i checked |
| 06:21.34 | deadcat | simonrvn: hehe |
| 06:21.44 | slugbug | yeah, I need some more good console apps, I've been tunneling SSH in a lot recently |
| 06:21.51 | IDC | simonrvn, yup,but where does it go ? |
| 06:21.54 | bsims | of course, XLiveCD is a fun toy it runs Cygwin from the cd |
| 06:22.03 | bsims | slugbug: Irssi |
| 06:22.09 | slugbug | yes |
| 06:22.17 | bsims | Mutt |
| 06:22.27 | simonrvn | stick it in cron.d if it's a system thing, then, run use the entry you have (with mods) |
| 06:22.34 | simonrvn | s/run// |
| 06:22.39 | slugbug | yeah, I need to get sendmail set up |
| 06:22.43 | bsims | calendar |
| 06:23.02 | IDC | I mean,in /etc/ there isn't one refers to 'minutes' something there |
| 06:23.14 | simonrvn | IDC: yes there is |
| 06:23.15 | bsims | ddate |
| 06:23.23 | simonrvn | IDC: oh, you mean cron.* |
| 06:23.34 | IDC | yea ,croon.* |
| 06:23.43 | IDC | cron* sorry |
| 06:23.45 | simonrvn | no. use cron.d |
| 06:24.01 | IDC | simonrvn, hang on,please |
| 06:24.14 | simonrvn | i can't my vine is out of order |
| 06:24.15 | mulder | what package has the manpages for the std c libraries |
| 06:24.28 | simonrvn | manpages-dev |
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| 06:24.42 | simonrvn | next time use apt-cache search |
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| 06:24.57 | bsims | deadcat: Do ya have a lot of sigfiles (or just a crap load of files in say /etc) that you want printed http://home.insightbb.com/~bmsims1/Scripts/sig_book |
| 06:25.04 | BW[away] | debian exim seems to use a multi-config file layout.. i swear i disabled that though, how do i edit the exim.conf? |
| 06:25.08 | IDC | simonrvn, so i move it to /etc/cron.d/ ? i didn't know the folder to where to put in that file im about to cron-it is a matter though |
| 06:25.13 | clav | deadcat, I added : Option "Dont Zap" "false" to a ServerFlags section ( had to create one) but it still doesn't go. Do you know if there's a more explicit "use Ctrl-Alt-Del" option I could set? |
| 06:25.58 | bsims | bah /me is off to bed |
| 06:26.08 | simonrvn | cron.daily starting ;) |
| 06:26.09 | clav | deadcat, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, sorry |
| 06:26.39 | mulder | simonrvn: well.. i did do an "apt-cache search standard c library man" but that came up with too many hits |
| 06:26.43 | mulder | thanks though |
| 06:27.30 | simonrvn | use grep, or --names-only |
| 06:27.45 | simonrvn | or pager it |
| 06:28.22 | mulder | names only eh... i'll keep that one in mind next time |
| 06:28.24 | BW[away] | 1. |
| 06:28.24 | BW[away] | Create /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/30_exim4-config_spamcheck with the following contents: |
| 06:28.32 | BW[away] | " - do the 30 - numbers - matter? |
| 06:28.41 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:29.36 | BW[away] | how? |
| 06:30.05 | slugbug | okay, I'm not entirely certain how to do this with exim4 or something and fetchmail, but what I want to do is just have fetchmail get my mail from an account (I can do this) and exim4 send it through my ISP's mail server |
| 06:30.30 | clav | does anyone know how to enable Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
| 06:30.40 | slugbug | http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~lativyn/articles/debian-mutt/ that's it I think |
| 06:31.09 | liable | clav: what? what happens when you press them? |
| 06:32.25 | clav | liable, nothing |
| 06:32.48 | clav | liable, individually they do what they should but the Zap isn't working after an update |
| 06:33.27 | liable | clav: oh, checked bts then? file a bug. |
| 06:34.41 | simonrvn | BW[away]: look at the content, you'll see why they matter |
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| 06:35.04 | IDC | i ran 'crontab -u user -e' then added stuff in it but how do save it and exit ? i tried : then wq,it doesn't work |
| 06:35.31 | simonrvn | :wq |
| 06:35.44 | BW[away] | simonrvn: its to do with the order that they are loaded in right? so i can pick a number thats between two others, if i wanted to put it between them? |
| 06:35.47 | simonrvn | esc, then :wq |
| 06:36.03 | simonrvn | BW[away]: yes. yes. |
| 06:36.05 | IDC | no,doesnt work |
| 06:36.11 | IDC | simonrvn, thats for vi |
| 06:36.11 | BW[away] | simonrvn: makes sense now thanks :) |
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| 06:36.35 | IDC | but this windows read as GNU nano in the title |
| 06:36.42 | simonrvn | IDC: do you have a menu on the bottom? what do you see? |
| 06:36.50 | simonrvn | so look at the damned menu |
| 06:37.05 | IDC | i was in mlterm ran 'crontab -u user -e' |
| 06:37.26 | IDC | GNU nano 1.2.4 |
| 06:37.31 | simonrvn | *by default* it shows a menu.... |
| 06:37.50 | simonrvn | ^G Get Help ^O WriteOut ^R Read File ^Y Prev Page ^K Cut Text ^C Cur Pos |
| 06:37.56 | simonrvn | ^X Exit ^J Justify ^W Where Is ^V Next Page ^U UnCut Txt ^T To Spell |
| 06:38.06 | IDC | Oh yes |
| 06:38.15 | IDC | but it press ^ then X,doesn't work |
| 06:38.30 | simonrvn | it's the control key |
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| 06:39.07 | IDC | totally lost :( |
| 06:39.24 | simonrvn | it's not hard... |
| 06:40.05 | jetdotnet | ctrl + x |
| 06:40.26 | jetdotnet | not ^ |
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| 06:43.35 | IDC | done,thanks a lot |
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| 06:44.44 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:44.50 | IDC | :) |
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| 06:45.01 | simonrvn | fyi, '^' is used in many places for the control key |
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| 06:45.18 | IDC | I see |
| 06:45.55 | simonrvn | @penix |
| 06:45.56 | ravenbird | penix is, like, a highly sophisticated eggdrop bot, thought to be the predecessor of SkyNet, or madly in love with NewOS, or a crack whore, or my hero, or a Theo-loving hippy, or wants to have Alan Cox's baby. A sexy bitch. http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg, or 'I don't exist. I live in a world that you cannot even imagine. full of gamp, fast cars, beautiful ... |
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| 06:49.44 | aardvark | Penix: A hippopotamus swallowed a circus dwarf in a freak accident in northern Thailand last week. The circus dwarf, Od, was in mid-act, bouncing on a trampoline, when he accidentally jumped sideways... and straight into the mouth of Hilda the hippopotamus, who was yawning on the sidelines, waiting for her act to get underway. Hilda's gag reflex took over.. and Od was swallowed hole. The 1000 spectators in the audience applauded wildly ... until they real |
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| 06:53.47 | crackhead | what is the command go install a .deb file |
| 06:53.58 | kamela | dpkg --install filename |
| 06:54.10 | IDC | dpkg -i |
| 06:54.13 | IDC | crackhead, man dpkg |
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| 06:54.55 | notty | i have a problem, apt-get uses KDE and i don't have a x server anymore so it gives me an error, how can i change it to dialog ? dpkg-reconfigure apt asks for a x server too. what can i do ? |
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| 06:56.38 | towy71 | I thought apt-get is command line? |
| 06:56.51 | notty | towy71 : the configuration menu |
| 06:57.06 | simonrvn | that's debconf |
| 06:57.11 | simonrvn | not apt-get |
| 06:57.27 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure -f dialog debconf |
| 06:57.36 | simonrvn | change it to dialog |
| 06:58.07 | notty | simonrvn: thanx a lot |
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| 06:59.17 | simonrvn | holy cow! |
| 06:59.34 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 07:00.27 | bucky | !seen grumpydog |
| 07:00.28 | dpkg | grumpydog is currently on #debian (1d 10h 54m 4s). Has said a total of 60 messages. Is idling for 37d 7h 4m 2s |
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| 07:00.49 | linuxbomb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:01.09 | streuner | !moo |
| 07:01.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 07:01.10 | simonrvn | um, that's a bot... |
| 07:01.32 | linuxbomb | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.52 | ajd | what the... |
| 07:02.07 | huy_vsem | Moooo |
| 07:02.15 | simonrvn | someone lacking a bit of clue... |
| 07:02.42 | huy_vsem | Moooo ;))) |
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| 07:03.04 | IDC | should i diactive atd service since cron seems it does the same thing ? |
| 07:03.15 | atrus | oh the ozone layer is thinner from the outcome of my dinner, i am cow, i am cow, i've got gaaaaaasssssss |
| 07:03.22 | ajd | I'd like to know why the testing webpage hasn't been updated since the freeze |
| 07:03.22 | caphuso | hrm... model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 2600+ |
| 07:03.27 | caphuso | cpu MHz : 1150.557 |
| 07:03.31 | huy_vsem | Moooooo |
| 07:03.33 | bucky | You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance |
| 07:03.35 | caphuso | this doesn't seem right |
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| 07:04.15 | stealth_ | hi folks |
| 07:04.20 | bucky | The users I know are so clueless, that if they were dipped in clue musk and dropped in the middle of a pack of horny clues, on clue prom night during clue happy hour, they still couldn't get a clue. |
| 07:04.23 | simonrvn | IDC: it's not the same thing |
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| 07:04.38 | huy_vsem | vsem sosat' |
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| 07:04.49 | IDC | simonrvn, okay,i will read online then |
| 07:04.52 | simonrvn | bucky: hehe |
| 07:05.04 | stealth_ | i need to mount a rw partition into my ntfs partition. how can i do that in order to write some files into the ntfs partition? |
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| 07:05.06 | bucky | put it in the bot |
| 07:05.07 | huy_vsem | vsem sosat' |
| 07:05.27 | ajd | I'd like to know why the testing webpage hasn't been updated since the freeze |
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| 07:05.40 | Slick | Hi stupid amerikan people |
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| 07:05.52 | bucky | You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance |
| 07:05.56 | deadcat | ajd: because its FROZEN? |
| 07:05.58 | simonrvn | Slick: you're even stupider for thinking we're all yanks |
| 07:05.59 | caphuso | early sunday again? |
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| 07:06.09 | Slick | Yanki - manky |
| 07:06.18 | caphuso | or even sunday that never ended? |
| 07:06.22 | ajd | the distro is, the pages aren't |
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| 07:06.37 | ajd | see http://bugs.debian.org/307978 |
| 07:06.37 | huy_vsem | hey people |
| 07:06.44 | huy_vsem | you're faggots ;) |
| 07:06.56 | bucky | You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance |
| 07:07.00 | huy_vsem | did you know about that? |
| 07:07.15 | huy_vsem | put that clue in your ass !!! |
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| 07:07.30 | Slick | simonrv Fuck you!!!Kiss my ass |
| 07:07.30 | simonrvn | dumbass.... |
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| 07:07.48 | deadcat | kickfest (= |
| 07:07.48 | simonrvn | no thanks slick, you're not my type |
| 07:07.53 | ajd | I'd like to know why the testing webpage hasn't been updated since the freeze! if anyone here works on that page, tell me why it's not updated! |
| 07:08.01 | caphuso | ajd: what testing webpage? |
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| 07:08.05 | simonrvn | bucky: ok, we got it |
| 07:08.09 | caphuso | and why do you think it needs updating? |
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| 07:08.54 | ajd | the testing webpage is http://www.debian.org/releases/testing |
| 07:08.55 | Ry12 | lol@bohan |
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| 07:09.09 | cochilion | If you went camping and you got REALLY drunk with your friend and you |
| 07:09.10 | cochilion | woke up the next morning with a condom stuck up your ass would you tell anybody? |
| 07:09.23 | simonrvn | what a *great* start to saturday.... |
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| 07:09.25 | stealth_ | ok, where can i find the captive-ntfs? |
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| 07:09.47 | caphuso | simonrvn: tell me me all about it |
| 07:09.51 | simonrvn | cochilion: what, did that happen to you? |
| 07:09.58 | streuner | simonrvn: they have a problem, not we ... ;-) |
| 07:10.04 | ajd | it' needs updating because it should show current info |
| 07:10.11 | caphuso | ajd: it does show current info |
| 07:10.11 | simonrvn | hehe, yeh, they get the boot |
| 07:11.01 | ajd | um, no it doesn't: it mentions that there is no security support for sarge, which there is after the 3rd May |
| 07:11.20 | simonrvn | ajd: so file a goddamned bug on it and stop whining here |
| 07:11.46 | ajd | i did |
| 07:11.52 | ajd | 307978 |
| 07:11.54 | simonrvn | so wait |
| 07:11.58 | ajd | ok |
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| 07:12.06 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:12.14 | simonrvn | come back so i can lart you |
| 07:12.53 | nevyn | http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000004 another which distro do you use poll |
| 07:13.00 | caphuso | hardly worth mucking with that web page just to handle those 4 and half weeks it'll get security updates |
| 07:13.00 | kamela | can i take a wild guess and say there is probably a bot option to search for the package that provides a file? |
| 07:13.09 | caphuso | kamela: /msg dpkg search |
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| 07:13.21 | kamela | danke |
| 07:13.28 | genn | hey guys.. just wondering if there was any other good audio rippers like grip? |
| 07:13.28 | caphuso | now count to ten and we'll have another idiot in here |
| 07:13.40 | caphuso | cdparanoia |
| 07:13.50 | genn | cheers |
| 07:14.11 | genn | is there a good frontend for it? |
| 07:14.19 | caphuso | probably a few hundred |
| 07:14.35 | genn | that does everything like grip does |
| 07:14.36 | slugbug | grip is one of them |
| 07:14.40 | caphuso | i myself made at least two |
| 07:14.51 | slugbug | grip uses cdparanoia for ripping... |
| 07:14.55 | genn | yeah.. grip is just not doing anything I want it to so I want to try another one |
| 07:14.58 | genn | yeah |
| 07:15.21 | Penix | sound-juicer's nice |
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| 07:15.35 | simonrvn | anyone have ops in #flood? |
| 07:15.50 | stealth_ | are there any captive-ntfs .deb? |
| 07:15.52 | simonrvn | the 2 idiots that were in here before are there |
| 07:15.57 | caphuso | simonrvn: RichiH and dondelelcaro, IIRC |
| 07:16.03 | caphuso | grrr |
| 07:16.10 | caphuso | 09:15 >>> [RichiH] I'm sorry, but I'm away (screen detached) |
| 07:16.17 | simonrvn | feck |
| 07:16.25 | caphuso | i didn't even target him directly! |
| 07:16.34 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:16.59 | caphuso | RichiH: your "i'm away" announcement crap thing needs serious adjustment |
| 07:17.08 | nevyn | genn: yeah grip |
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| 07:17.28 | bucky | cochilion at least you'd have the courtesy to lick it off before you gave it back |
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| 07:18.36 | genn | Penix: sound-juicer looks nice. thanks |
| 07:20.53 | streuner | simonrvn: /msg chanserv access #flood list |
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| 07:21.35 | simonrvn | that's really useful.... |
| 07:21.49 | streuner | yeah, i know :-) |
| 07:21.57 | simonrvn | no one on that list is awake... |
| 07:22.06 | simonrvn | i was being sarcastic |
| 07:22.17 | streuner | Don prolly sleeping |
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| 07:23.36 | simonrvn | why do you think spammres operate their stupid scripts at this time of night? or idiots go trolling? because they assume - rightly - that most admins are asleep |
| 07:23.51 | streuner | sure |
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| 07:25.13 | simonrvn | you should see the number of zombie hosts that connect here at this time of day, just for the mail |
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| 07:25.46 | pokher | whats the command to see a list of connection?? |
| 07:25.52 | pokher | is it netstats -a? |
| 07:25.59 | simonrvn | netstat |
| 07:26.12 | simonrvn | i use -pluant/-luant |
| 07:26.22 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... Does anyone know what features firefix supports and what id doesnt? As far as Realplayer? Active x? |
| 07:26.27 | simonrvn | iptstate works too |
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| 07:26.42 | pokher | whats the command for netstat ? to see a list of connection and the IP that is connection to my server?? |
| 07:26.56 | TwistedEmotions | *firefox |
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| 07:26.57 | deadcat | pokher: netstat -naptu |
| 07:27.01 | simonrvn | pokher: read what's in front of you |
| 07:27.46 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: click on that icon above the search box. |
| 07:28.03 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh. Good idea. ;) |
| 07:28.54 | AngelicJo | hi...I have what I hope will be a simple question about sound |
| 07:29.07 | deadcat | AngelicJo: just ask |
| 07:29.16 | AngelicJo | I'm just trying to get it to work, but I can't find consistant answers anywhere and I'm relatively new to linux |
| 07:29.17 | crackhead | I didn't set up the network during install ...is there a way to do it afterward? |
| 07:29.45 | valdyn | AngelicJo: did you research if your soundcard is supported? |
| 07:29.55 | deadcat | crackhead: man 5 interfaces |
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| 07:30.33 | AngelicJo | everything I've looked at says that anything after the 2.x kernel should support it |
| 07:30.39 | valdyn | !sound |
| 07:30.39 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 07:31.01 | deadcat | AngelicJo: WHAT sound card? |
| 07:31.26 | valdyn | AngelicJo: which debian release are you running? the above is valid for sarge too ( mostly ) |
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| 07:32.04 | AngelicJo | card is an ess maestro 2e |
| 07:32.31 | valdyn | AngelicJo: lspci | grep audio |
| 07:33.06 | AngelicJo | kinda a problem right now |
| 07:33.24 | AngelicJo | I'm not running the os right now |
| 07:33.35 | AngelicJo | I was hoping someone could point me to a website I could look at |
| 07:33.52 | valdyn | AngelicJo: look what dpkg said, thats it, you dont need a website for this. |
| 07:33.54 | deadcat | AngelicJo: maybe come back when you are running it |
| 07:33.58 | AngelicJo | that had info specifially for debian |
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| 07:34.05 | AngelicJo | because most things I find simply say to run sndconfig |
| 07:34.31 | valdyn | !find sndconfig |
| 07:34.40 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sndconfig' returned no results. |
| 07:34.55 | AngelicJo | I think I'm gonna have to figure out a way to do that |
| 07:35.09 | goodshit | anyone know where iptables keep it fireall table?? |
| 07:35.15 | valdyn | AngelicJo: which kernel are you running? |
| 07:35.17 | goodshit | firewll config?? |
| 07:35.21 | bucky | AngelicJo, you might consider alsaconf |
| 07:35.39 | valdyn | bucky: not enough |
| 07:35.43 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 07:35.43 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 07:35.53 | AngelicJo | when I run sndconfig it gives me a message saying something about the kernel not having modules support |
| 07:35.53 | AngelicJo | but I know I'm misquoting that |
| 07:35.58 | AngelicJo | how do you check kernel version? |
| 07:36.05 | AngelicJo | it's the one that comes with the latest release of debian |
| 07:36.15 | AngelicJo | 3.0r5 I think |
| 07:36.17 | valdyn | !real kernel |
| 07:36.17 | dpkg | from memory, real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 07:36.28 | valdyn | AngelicJo: ^^^ |
| 07:36.42 | deadcat | AngelicJo: uname -r |
| 07:36.55 | bucky | AngelicJo, is there a reason you're not running sarge? |
| 07:37.18 | AngelicJo | please.....I'm very new to all of this |
| 07:37.23 | AngelicJo | which one is sarge? |
| 07:37.31 | deadcat | bucky: because hes 1337 (= |
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| 07:37.37 | bucky | it's newer |
| 07:37.41 | valdyn | AngelicJo: 3.0r5 is woody, sarge is /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 07:38.26 | AngelicJo | I grabbed the latest stable release from the website |
| 07:38.32 | AngelicJo | should I have gotten a different cd? |
| 07:38.44 | bucky | no.. you're fine |
| 07:38.49 | valdyn | AngelicJo: maybe, nothing wrong with woody, its just old |
| 07:38.55 | AngelicJo | allright |
| 07:39.01 | AngelicJo | ahh |
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| 07:39.17 | valdyn | AngelicJo: i dont know if woody supports your soundcard, |
| 07:39.22 | IDC | I have a question ...i have been told the package plone from apt-get have been having issues ,is this message correct ? |
| 07:39.29 | AngelicJo | now that I've found this channel, I'm gonna come back when I can run the OS while talking |
| 07:39.45 | deadcat | AngelicJo: gogogo |
| 07:39.47 | AngelicJo | my internet it kinda strange, but I should be able to get it running |
| 07:39.58 | valdyn | !tell IDC about bts |
| 07:40.14 | IDC | I was told not using 'plone' from apt-get cuz they are broken many times ? |
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| 07:40.55 | IDC | valdyn, thanks |
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| 07:41.19 | dafresh | hi all, i have duplicated interface when i plus my wifi card, wifi0 and wlan0 ... anyone have an idea ? |
| 07:41.30 | AngelicJo | thank you everyone |
| 07:41.39 | AngelicJo | I will be back when I'm better prepared |
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| 07:45.29 | kamela | bah, damn you epic4, you know where your include directory is, compile! |
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| 07:58.54 | liable | shut up everyone :) |
| 07:59.10 | Gonzo | hi liable :D |
| 07:59.23 | liable | hi, quiet eh |
| 07:59.27 | Gonzo | (amorphix here) |
| 07:59.30 | Gonzo | ya |
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| 08:00.29 | suzzi | ok I know this is really easy, but I'm confused. I'm trying to tunnel imap and smtp via ssh. This way I can check my mail on my laptop from anywhere... so do i set up the tunnel on my laptop (laptop$ ssh -N -f -L .... server@home) or on my server (server$ ssh... ) ???? |
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| 08:01.37 | valdyn | run on laptop: -L localport:server:remoteport user@server |
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| 08:01.50 | suzzi | valdyn: cool thanks |
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| 08:02.52 | squareff | is it accurate (and acceptable) to consider ubuntu the same with debian? |
| 08:03.01 | valdyn | suzzi: or just use imaps |
| 08:03.15 | valdyn | suzzi: ( if youre server supports that ) |
| 08:03.20 | valdyn | suzzi: ( if your server supports that ) |
| 08:03.35 | liable | !ubuntu |
| 08:03.36 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 08:03.38 | valdyn | squareff: obviously no |
| 08:03.39 | Gonzo | squarff no |
| 08:04.01 | suzzi | valdyn: I admin the server so it can support anything... but will that route smtp?? I would like to have as few incoming ports open as possible. |
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| 08:05.07 | squareff | valdyn, Gonzo: but isn't ubuntu sort of a _friendly_ "fork" of debian? |
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| 08:05.44 | valdyn | suzzi: if you're concerned about number of ports then stick to the ssh tunnel, i just use the ssl version(s) of imap and smtp |
| 08:06.16 | valdyn | squareff: a fork is a fork is a fork |
| 08:06.21 | kamela | if you are concerned with ports i wouldnt even install pop3 or imap and just read the mail with mailx |
| 08:06.28 | suzzi | valdyn: ahh ok, I'll play with ssh and see if I can get everything set up.. if not then it's nice to know that theres backup options. |
| 08:06.35 | suzzi | valdyn: thanks for the help |
| 08:06.39 | kamela | valdyn: except when it's a spork |
| 08:07.28 | grumpydog | morning bucky |
| 08:07.35 | bucky | heya! |
| 08:07.48 | grumpydog | irc time zones suck |
| 08:07.51 | technos | kamela: A spork is not a fork. A spork is not a spoon. A spork is a spork. Just because a spork shares genetalia with a fork does not make it a fork. |
| 08:08.02 | appaji | When I boot into the 2.6.10 or the 2.6.11 kernels in Debian (sid), I have errors indicating that several modules cannot be unloaded. lsmod after booting shows a [permanent] against them. What is with this? |
| 08:08.45 | IDC | Please suggest me a neat pdf reader for debian,Xpdf or ... ? |
| 08:08.57 | Gonzo | IDC: xpdf |
| 08:09.06 | squareff | please tell me, among knoppix, mepis, and ubuntu, which one is more "friendly" and which one is less? |
| 08:09.09 | valdyn | !tell IDC about marillat |
| 08:09.25 | valdyn | IDC: ^^^ contains acrobat reader.. |
| 08:09.26 | appaji | IDC: gpdf is good. |
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| 08:09.49 | squareff | (i really mean most / least) |
| 08:09.49 | valdyn | IDC: i prefer evince however |
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| 08:09.57 | appaji | IDC: Also, read the lwn.net 'grump editors' review about PDF readers on Linux. |
| 08:10.01 | valdyn | squareff: wrong channel to ask this, try #linux |
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| 08:10.05 | appaji | IDC: and decide which one you would like to use. |
| 08:10.18 | technos | I read my .pdf files with pdf2ps and a printer. |
| 08:10.26 | IDC | okay,thanks a lot |
| 08:10.59 | appaji | technos: not everybody has a printer :-) |
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| 08:12.13 | paulswm | Heh, twenty five years ago they started talking about the paperless office, no sign of it yet. |
| 08:12.21 | technos | appaji: No excuse! $10 will get you a nerw printer these days (after applicable in-store and mail-in rebates!) |
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| 08:12.36 | simonrvn | ...or wants one |
| 08:12.44 | squareff | valdyn> sorry. here's what i meant: please tell me, among knoppix, mepis, and ubuntu, which one is most like a "friendly fork" of DEBIAN and which one is least? |
| 08:13.23 | simonrvn | #define FRIENDLY_FORK |
| 08:13.44 | valdyn | squareff: probably ubuntu. I dont know the others well though. |
| 08:14.20 | appaji | technos: and what about paper? |
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| 08:14.21 | appaji | technos: and what about the people who aren't in the USA? |
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| 08:14.35 | squareff | simonrvn: friendly fork? they cooperate and they give back; they aren't like parasytes, but more like sustainers. |
| 08:14.41 | paulswm | squareff: I would also check out their channels (like #ubuntu) to see what sort of help you might get once you've installed |
| 08:14.50 | simonrvn | ubuntu |
| 08:14.52 | appaji | technos: and what about the wastage when you just need to 'glance' at a PDF to look what is in it rather than read it? |
| 08:15.13 | valdyn | squareff: debian devs work on ubuntu and ubuntu releases their patches nicely split out - thats all i know what "friendly" is concerned |
| 08:15.14 | squareff | simonrvn: and is mepis at the other end of the spectrum? |
| 08:15.30 | simonrvn | i know little of mepis |
| 08:15.32 | liable | squareff: yeah, go to #ubuntu, seems to be good support, #knoppix, not much, dunno about the rest. |
| 08:15.49 | squareff | valdyn: what do you mean "split out"? |
| 08:15.51 | appaji | technos: and pray tell me if you'll print a 200 page PDF document only to 'page down' through it and waste toner/ink/printing-time etc.? |
| 08:15.55 | DDRP | Ubunto is a nonsense and unpronouncable word |
| 08:16.09 | bob2 | Ubuntu |
| 08:16.10 | valdyn | squareff: easily accessible individually via ftp |
| 08:16.18 | bob2 | if you're going to be a lame troll, at least spell it correctly |
| 08:16.19 | Subvertir | "oo-boon-too" |
| 08:16.19 | simonrvn | especially when you can't even spell it correctly. and it *is* a word |
| 08:16.23 | Subvertir | what's so hard about that? |
| 08:16.23 | squareff | valdyn: oh, that's nice |
| 08:16.24 | paulswm | ubuntu is I believe an African word |
| 08:16.32 | simonrvn | paulswm: it is |
| 08:16.33 | bob2 | Zulu. |
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| 08:16.46 | simonrvn | ... |
| 08:17.03 | DDRP | I are no troll |
| 08:17.07 | squareff | so my conclusion is that ubuntu cooperates well with debian and helps it. am i correct? |
| 08:17.11 | simonrvn | no, really? |
| 08:17.15 | bob2 | DDRP: then you're just silly and irritating |
| 08:17.17 | DDRP | Debian == good word, Ubunto == nonsense |
| 08:17.30 | bob2 | DDRP: /j #dumbasses |
| 08:17.40 | liable | hehe |
| 08:17.41 | simonrvn | s/dumbasses/shell/ |
| 08:17.45 | DDRP | >=| |
| 08:17.45 | paulswm | squareff: One word of advice: if you choose one of the distros you mentioned, don't anticipate getting help in #debian, the 'but it's debian-related' argument tends to get a less than enthusistic response, with good reason. |
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| 08:18.04 | simonrvn | tends to get you banned if you persist |
| 08:18.12 | technos | appaji: Probably. I don't pay for the printer attached to this machine, and they're too lazy to fix me up with an actual PDF reader. |
| 08:18.33 | valdyn | squareff: sure to some extent, how far exactly , i cant tel |
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| 08:18.59 | squareff | paulswm: my question showed interest in debian. it was just informative. all i care which of those three other distros are more HELPFUL for debian. |
| 08:19.18 | squareff | *all i care IS which... |
| 08:19.24 | paulswm | squareff: I'm just trying to be helpful here |
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| 08:20.08 | squareff | paulswm: i don't see the connection (except for using the same word, "helpful"), but anyway thank you for your answers :) |
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| 08:21.21 | paulswm | squareff: the distros you mentioned aren't debian, so you won't be able to get support here, I was just warning you in advance as something you may wish to take into consideration, is all. |
| 08:21.31 | jethro | moin |
| 08:21.58 | paulswm | Morning jethro :) |
| 08:22.00 | squareff | ... and thank you all for you answers (simonrvn, valdyn, bob2, liable) :) |
| 08:22.05 | simonrvn | np |
| 08:22.23 | simonrvn | 'lo jethro |
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| 08:22.35 | jethro | hi paulswm & simonrvn |
| 08:22.43 | squareff | paulswm: i see |
| 08:23.12 | paulswm | squareff: having said that, I believe from anecdotes that ubuntu is your best bet |
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| 08:24.18 | squareff | paulswm: i very much appreciate debian project and i wouldn't use ubuntu unless i knew it "gave back" and helped debian. that's why i was asking |
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| 08:25.42 | squareff | paulswm: ... so if you had said mepis is friendlier to debian, i would have given mepis a try rather than ubuntu or knoppix |
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| 08:27.01 | paulswm | squareff: Oh friendler *to*, I see what you're getting at. I don't know about any of them then. As ubuntu was started IIRC by debian developers, maybe they are, although people diss debian in their channel sometimes. |
| 08:27.25 | bob2 | and people diss ubuntu in this channel |
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| 08:27.29 | jethro | that's true |
| 08:27.31 | bob2 | there are idiots everywhere |
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| 08:28.03 | jethro | but otoh, we diss ubuntu users trying to get help here, not ubuntu the distro |
| 08:28.20 | foxiness | is there a way to do full color "synt color" on terminal and how "not 2 color may be 8 or 16 on the same time" like on gedit |
| 08:28.44 | bob2 | rephrase your question without the typoes |
| 08:28.48 | simonrvn | SIGSEGV |
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| 08:28.54 | simonrvn | ENOPARSE |
| 08:28.57 | paulswm | bob2: idiots everywhere, and a #debian weekend is starting :) |
| 08:29.04 | jethro | weeeee |
| 08:29.07 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 08:29.07 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 08:29.14 | bob2 | hah |
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| 08:29.53 | simonrvn | -lkafs -lresolv -lcrypto -lutil -lz -lcrypt -L/usr/lib -lgssapi # nummies |
| 08:30.20 | suzzi | valdyn: another ssh tunnel question.. is it possible to run nfs through ssh? or should I use samba for remote mounts? |
| 08:30.29 | jethro | nfs through ssh |
| 08:30.35 | jethro | you *must* be insane |
| 08:30.38 | simonrvn | AFS AFS |
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| 08:30.48 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 08:31.02 | paulswm | You never need samba unless there's a windows box in the mix |
| 08:31.19 | suzzi | jethro: what would be the issues that I would run into with that? |
| 08:31.26 | jethro | suzzi: if you really want it ssh'edd you have the ugly ppp over ssh trick, but using a regular vpn be it ssl or IPsec would be better imho |
| 08:31.54 | jethro | suzzi: afaik, ssh tunneling supports tcp connections, maybe udp as well since they added -D but I really don't know about it |
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| 08:32.06 | jethro | suzzi: and afaik too, nfs needs udp as well |
| 08:32.14 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:32.22 | suzzi | jethro: ahh. |
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| 08:32.44 | simonrvn | though it supports tcp, i don't know if the whole mess of crap supports tcp |
| 08:32.57 | jethro | whole mess of crap? |
| 08:32.58 | paulswm | I bet nfs over ssh is slow, too, expecially for large file transfers |
| 08:33.03 | notty | i get this error when i run pon can anyone tell me what can i do about it ? pppd[29736]: Modem hangup |
| 08:33.05 | simonrvn | statd, nfsd, etc. |
| 08:33.08 | jethro | suzzi: you want a vpn |
| 08:33.21 | jethro | simonrvn: ah ok |
| 08:33.57 | suzzi | jethro: ok cool |
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| 08:34.13 | jethro | suzzi: building IPsec vpns is a good experience ;) |
| 08:34.18 | jethro | hope you'll like it :p |
| 08:34.23 | bob2 | tinc! |
| 08:34.26 | suzzi | simonrvn: ASF looks like it might be interesting. any personal experence? |
| 08:34.36 | suzzi | jethro: hehe |
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| 08:35.05 | squareff | bob2, paulswm: so ubuntu seems to be friendliest TO debian, knoppix is neutral, and mepis only takes advantage of debian. is my conclusion correct? |
| 08:35.10 | simonrvn | yes. some, though i haven't gotten it to work just yet. oh, you'll need a working krb5 install too ;) |
| 08:35.18 | paulswm | jethro: 'Good experience'? You mean like eating ice cream, or like poking needles in one's eyes? |
| 08:35.21 | bob2 | heh, that's my impression |
| 08:35.28 | bob2 | but I am biased by working for the company funding ubuntu |
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| 08:35.31 | jethro | paulswm: like something which makes you think and learn :) |
| 08:35.41 | squareff | bob2: :) |
| 08:35.42 | simonrvn | bob2: nah, that's mine too |
| 08:35.44 | paulswm | jethro: AH. The needles :P |
| 08:35.55 | jethro | :) |
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| 08:36.56 | simonrvn | fuck, ssh build didn't take long |
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| 08:37.03 | jethro | a spliff a day keeps the doctor away |
| 08:37.16 | bob2 | aside from the lung doctor |
| 08:37.18 | paulswm | squareff: I think that's a good characterization, especially re. mepis which is basically a dangerous mix of testing and unstable, with little provided by the actual mepis distro.. |
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| 08:37.46 | jethro | point bob2 |
| 08:38.00 | bob2 | cookies all the way |
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| 08:38.06 | squareff | paulswm: isn't ubuntu also a mix of testing and unstable? |
| 08:38.07 | simonrvn | it has a bronchodilator effect IIRC, so if you smoke tobacco, it helps, since tobacco has a bronchoconstrictor effect |
| 08:38.32 | liable | win win :) |
| 08:38.41 | polok | how do I break a string up into characters in bash? |
| 08:38.44 | simonrvn | i may be wrong, check your local plant site |
| 08:39.08 | paulswm | squareff: Yes, but as long as you stay within the ubuntu release, you'll be OK. You may have problems if you mix ubuntu with packages from debian, that's speculation on my part based on some questions I've seen in here. |
| 08:39.09 | simonrvn | (about the m.j. and dilator effects) |
| 08:39.28 | simonrvn | paulswm: oh, don't worry, they'll break each other just fine ;) |
| 08:39.31 | Cyis | simonrvn: just got my "windows client" test environment setup here at home... Got VMware 5.0 running 2000 Pro and XP Pro |
| 08:39.39 | simonrvn | ha, cool |
| 08:39.52 | dondelelcaro | I would guess the bronchoconstrictor is probably just a side effect of the vasodilator |
| 08:40.05 | simonrvn | yeh. iirc it is |
| 08:40.08 | Cyis | yeah... was a bit of a b*tch to get it working with AMD64 host OS :) |
| 08:40.15 | paulswm | squareff: By problems I mean package dependency breakage and confusion. |
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| 08:40.36 | simonrvn | you can also offset it with lobelia |
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| 08:41.17 | simonrvn | and sage just adds a nice taste to it ;p |
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| 08:41.41 | paulswm | Mmmm, sage and onion stuffing |
| 08:42.02 | squareff | bob2, paulswm: what could be done in order to keep debian and ubuntu as close to each other as possible? i think this could be very beneficial for us all. maybe a debian & affiliates .org should be created, don't you think so? |
| 08:42.15 | BigGame | hello,everyone |
| 08:42.26 | jethro | hello BigGame |
| 08:42.28 | bob2 | squareff: we're working on some very interesting tools to make that easier |
| 08:42.39 | dondelelcaro | squareff: most of that is already being done. It's just a matter of contributing the useful patches back to the Debian maintainer |
| 08:43.18 | BigGame | there is so cool |
| 08:43.25 | dondelelcaro | (that's frankly where most debian derived distributions really fall down on...) |
| 08:43.26 | squareff | bob2, paulswm: something like a bridge organization between debian and every debian-based distro which wants to cooperate and give back to the community |
| 08:43.53 | BigGame | en,what are you talking about |
| 08:43.56 | squareff | otherwise most of them will only take advantage of debian |
| 08:44.08 | dondelelcaro | squareff: I don't think such an organization would really benifit anyone much... since most packages are separate fiefdoms anyway |
| 08:44.19 | bob2 | squareff: yes, it's in the works |
| 08:44.26 | bob2 | it's part of launchpad |
| 08:44.28 | squareff | like lindows (hope i am not misjudjing them) |
| 08:44.58 | jethro | is lindows based on debian as well? well lindows, or whatever it's called now |
| 08:45.09 | bob2 | yes |
| 08:45.14 | jethro | interesting |
| 08:45.14 | paulswm | squareff: The thing about the non-debian distros is that they don't, as far as I know, distinguish netween free, non-free and contrib like debian does, so, if you do professional development on one, it'll be more work to sort out the licensing and copyright issues. Again, speculation on my part. |
| 08:45.27 | chealer | jethro: see distrowatch's distro top 10, you'll be surprised |
| 08:45.34 | jethro | debian kicks it all |
| 08:45.40 | jethro | ;) |
| 08:45.48 | chealer | debian/debian-based is half of it |
| 08:45.48 | paulswm | debian kicks ASS :P |
| 08:45.57 | squareff | paulswm: i see your point |
| 08:46.08 | Ry12 | i got warcraft of world today but i canty play it |
| 08:46.11 | jethro | haha |
| 08:46.13 | jethro | scary |
| 08:46.37 | valdyn | Ry12: and? |
| 08:46.43 | Ry12 | :( |
| 08:46.47 | jethro | Ry12: just pay, and you can play |
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| 08:47.02 | squareff | jethro: if you want to see which distro depends on debian (or fedora or whatever you want) you may visit distrowatch statistics ("how independent is your distro") |
| 08:47.05 | Ry12 | but it says on the box i get ffirst month free |
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| 08:47.10 | Ry12 | but it has no cdkey |
| 08:47.21 | screwdrivher | hello |
| 08:47.23 | valdyn | Ry12: this is #debian |
| 08:47.25 | Ry12 | i went back to kmart to ask about it and they said it installs without |
| 08:47.29 | jethro | squareff: yes, chealer just pointed me to distrowatch |
| 08:47.35 | dondelelcaro | Ry12: that's great. We have nothing whatsoever to do with warcraft or blizzard. |
| 08:47.41 | DDRP | Debian is the only true OS =\ |
| 08:47.43 | paulswm | Or kmart |
| 08:47.47 | Ry12 | lol |
| 08:47.51 | paulswm | :P |
| 08:48.23 | squareff | jethro: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence |
| 08:48.32 | screwdrivher | so who from sudbury |
| 08:48.36 | jethro | squareff: 10:47:30 jethro | squareff: yes, chealer just pointed me to distrowatch |
| 08:48.44 | screwdrivher | sudbury ontario |
| 08:49.01 | squareff | jethro: just wanted to make sure you have a most exact link |
| 08:49.12 | jethro | squareff: thanks :) |
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| 08:50.03 | squareff | jethro: you're welcome |
| 08:50.06 | Coke | It seems flac is broken in testing, is there any other utility that would be able to convert flac into wav or mp3? Something that can decode flac? |
| 08:51.11 | dondelelcaro | Coke: why not downgrade flac? |
| 08:51.15 | squareff | bob2: ("squareff: yes, it's in the works") COOL! and thanks for your answer |
| 08:51.22 | liable | wow, 50 distros based on knoppix, which is based on debian |
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| 08:52.18 | squareff | liable: without knoppix & knoppix-based distros, DEBIAN is still the first, with 129-50 distros dependent directly on it |
| 08:52.21 | Coke | dondelelcaro: to the stable version? |
| 08:52.27 | rommer | also debian is what the #1 distro on distrowatch.com is based on |
| 08:52.30 | dondelelcaro | Coke: no, to the previous version that was in Testing |
| 08:52.45 | dondelelcaro | distrowatch.com's listings are rather pointless, frankly. |
| 08:52.47 | bob2 | how annoying |
| 08:52.54 | bob2 | my only ps/2 keyboard is fucked |
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| 08:52.55 | Coke | dondelelcaro: how do you know which one was the previous? |
| 08:53.08 | jethro | Coke: snapshots.debian.net |
| 08:53.09 | dondelelcaro | Coke: by looking at snapshot.debian.net for starters... |
| 08:54.12 | dondelelcaro | Coke: but first, you should check bugs.debian.org to see if someone has reported the bug that you're seeing. |
| 08:54.28 | Coke | dondelelcaro: already done that |
| 08:54.42 | dondelelcaro | Coke: checked the archived bugs as well? |
| 08:54.46 | Coke | dondelelcaro: ok, I see there was a 1.1.0-11 that might work, how do I install it, it's not in testing? |
| 08:54.56 | dondelelcaro | Coke: again, visit snapshot.debian.net |
| 08:55.00 | Coke | dondelelcaro: it was the bugs I checked. this bug is 3 days old |
| 08:56.09 | Coke | dondelelcaro: the link for getting the download directory was a date. no wonder I couldn't find it. |
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| 08:57.11 | paulswm | I need a life, talking on debian ot 0456 on a Saturday morning |
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| 08:57.36 | bob2 | or some sleep |
| 08:57.38 | simonrvn | i have one, but not one that most folks would define one as |
| 08:57.46 | transgress | paulswm: i'm the same way... but it kind of is my life... my job involves me sitting on irc too heh |
| 08:57.50 | squareff | "dondelelcaro: distrowatch.com's listings are rather pointless, frankly." -- it depends on what you mean; so... what do you mean? |
| 08:57.51 | simonrvn | meh, that didn't make sense to me either |
| 08:58.00 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: we can only remove this one from you... whether that results in you getting a new one is really beyond our pale. |
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| 08:58.16 | bob2 | squareff: they don't have much relation to reality |
| 08:58.22 | dondelelcaro | squareff: you realize that those rankings are based on what links that people click on, right? |
| 08:58.23 | bob2 | distrowatch is a pretty pointless site |
| 08:58.28 | Govannon | i am updating; debian configuration. noob. should i bind portmap to the loopback address??ß |
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| 08:58.37 | bob2 | Govannon: yes |
| 08:58.39 | dondelelcaro | Govannon: that's where it's bound to by default. |
| 08:58.51 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: I'll stick with my virtual friends here, actually, I usually get up at 0400 :) |
| 08:58.53 | kofj | my sarge can't show chinese ,they become unicodes!I have chosen chinese when I installed sarge |
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| 08:59.24 | Govannon | hmmm -k - i am asking because the VPN i use to connect via dsl. is it ok anyway? |
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| 08:59.55 | squareff | dondelelcaro: this is exactly where you're not right. while popularity statistics are irrelevant, admittedly, "based-on" statistics are very relevant. you can't judge all info on distrowatch based on the "link-based" popularity statistics flaw |
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| 09:00.05 | bob2 | Govannon: portmap isn't related to any vpn |
| 09:00.11 | Govannon | thx |
| 09:00.15 | squareff | dondelelcaro: agree? |
| 09:00.22 | kofj | my sarge can't show chinese ,they become unicodes!I have chosen chinese when I installed sarge,ask for help~~~~~ |
| 09:00.33 | paulswm | although if it had to be a choice between debian IRC and getting trapped in an elevator with the Doublemint twins... |
| 09:00.34 | Coke | I don't get it, the flac plugin for XMMS can play the flac's without problem to ALSA, but when I try to use the disk writer I get empty WAV's. And the flac binary crashes with a stream error message when trying to decode the flac's. I need a working flac decoder that can write WAV's (or raw pcm, etc). |
| 09:00.40 | bob2 | kofj: asking once is enough |
| 09:00.54 | stealth_ | how can i install a .deb package that i just downloaded to my directory /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?? |
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| 09:01.11 | stealth_ | it's a specifical package. |
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| 09:01.20 | dondelelcaro | squareff: you were talking about the "#1 distro" statistic. That's the only thing I've talked about. I haven't looked at the rest of the statistics, and wasn't discussing them at all. |
| 09:01.50 | squareff | dondelelcaro: what are you talking about? debian is not at all the #1 distro |
| 09:02.06 | Coke | Are there any utilities that can decode FLAC streams besides the XMMS plugin and the flac binary? |
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| 09:02.16 | squareff | dondelelcaro: we were not talking about popularity, but only about it being #1 most based-on distro |
| 09:02.56 | squareff | dondelelcaro: as for "based on" criterion, this is easy to prove, and not at all based on clicks |
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| 09:03.36 | paulswm | stealth: you should normally install debian packages using 'apt-get install' or 'aptitude install', if you must install a deb manually, use 'dpkg -i foo.deb' |
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| 09:04.02 | Govannon | does anyone want to help me with my debian-configuration? query please |
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| 09:04.27 | dondelelcaro | squareff: I actually was responding to rommer, not you "<rommer> also debian is what the #1 distro on distrowatch.com is based on" |
| 09:04.34 | CaT[tm] | hey. is it just me or did lftp fall out of sarge? |
| 09:04.42 | caphuso | CaT[tm]: it did |
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| 09:04.47 | CaT[tm] | foo |
| 09:04.48 | ercin | i get "undefined reference" errors when compiling 2.6.11 kernel with the bootsplash patch from bootsplash.de |
| 09:04.52 | ercin | any ideas? |
| 09:04.53 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: see bugs.debian.org/lftp for why. |
| 09:05.21 | stealth_ | paulswm: thanks! |
| 09:05.27 | squareff | dondelelcaro: it's not about whom you were responding to. it's that you didn't understand the context |
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| 09:06.16 | dondelelcaro | squareff: eh? I knew the context of what I was responding to. The number #1 distro on distrowatch is a totally pointless statistic. The rest of it may or may not be valid, but I haven't really commented on that specifically. |
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| 09:06.31 | Subvertir | can I join the intellectual circlejerk? |
| 09:06.31 | kofj | places where should be chinese became unicode ,what's wrong ? I selected chinese in the installation |
| 09:06.45 | squareff | dondelelcaro: no, you still don't understand the context; remember, DEBIAN is not #1 on distrowatch; it's not even #5 :) |
| 09:06.49 | CaT[tm] | so it was the ssl support thing? |
| 09:07.10 | simonrvn | @tell kofj -about ask |
| 09:07.12 | squareff | dondelelcaro: he was talking about debian being the #1 most "based-on" distro |
| 09:07.13 | Subvertir | squareff, now you're the one who doesn't understand the context; note the words "BASED ON" |
| 09:07.21 | simonrvn | kofj: i suggest you rephrase the question |
| 09:07.32 | dondelelcaro | squareff: reread the setence that I quoted again "Debian is *WHAT* the #1 distro is based on" and I said that that's totally pointless. |
| 09:07.41 | squareff | Subvertir: i think you confused the person. you should have said that to dondelelcaro |
| 09:07.51 | kofj | I am not good at English...sorry |
| 09:08.01 | simonrvn | kofj: take your time then |
| 09:08.13 | dondelelcaro | kofj: you probably actually want unicode... but the input method may be different... |
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| 09:08.43 | squareff | dondelelcaro: you are wrong again; //rommer: also debian is what the #1 distro on distrowatch.com is based on// -- this is a mistaken statement |
| 09:08.50 | simonrvn | unicode can handle the chinese glyphs... but your font may not, even if you pick a unicode font |
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| 09:09.05 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: you can get it from snapshot.debian.net |
| 09:09.14 | CaT[tm] | woo |
| 09:09.15 | kofj | the chinese becomes unicode in a ¡õ |
| 09:09.18 | CaT[tm] | dond: thanks :) |
| 09:09.31 | simonrvn | kofj: pick a different font |
| 09:09.50 | dondelelcaro | squareff: the #1 distro on distrowatch is ubuntu. That's based on Debian. Do you see what I'm saying now? |
| 09:09.59 | squareff | dondelelcaro: right |
| 09:10.08 | squareff | dondelelcaro: you are right |
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| 09:10.15 | Subvertir | Except ubunut is #5 on distrowatch |
| 09:10.21 | Subvertir | and debian is #4... |
| 09:10.22 | dondelelcaro | and I'm saying that Ubuntu being #1 on distrowatch is totally and utterly pointless. |
| 09:10.23 | nksen | isn't upsermount integrated in debians standart kernel? |
| 09:10.23 | squareff | dondelelcaro: i knew it was mandrake / mandriva |
| 09:10.29 | simonrvn | was ssl/tls support disabled in lftp? /me checks the changelog.... |
| 09:10.30 | nksen | supermount that is |
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| 09:10.34 | dondelelcaro | 1 Ubuntu 1939< |
| 09:10.35 | caphuso | simonrvn: yes |
| 09:10.41 | squareff | dondelelcaro: things seem to have changed in the meantime; SORRY, really. |
| 09:10.45 | simonrvn | ugh |
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| 09:10.55 | simonrvn | this is getting ridiculous |
| 09:11.02 | caphuso | simonrvn: well, it's either that or a complete removal of the package |
| 09:11.15 | Subvertir | Windows is the #1 operating system on the planet |
| 09:11.16 | Subvertir | and it sucks |
| 09:11.23 | Subvertir | so what kind of metric is that for the success of a project? |
| 09:11.29 | Ferret | :) |
| 09:11.30 | simonrvn | that or getting the upstream to add the freaking exception |
| 09:11.35 | dondelelcaro | squareff: it's not really a big deal... |
| 09:11.40 | caphuso | simonrvn: that's not possible :-/ |
| 09:11.43 | rommer | Subvertir: depends how you rank it |
| 09:11.56 | simonrvn | caphuso: upstream won't add it, or...? |
| 09:12.05 | squareff | dondelelcaro: i thought you missed the context (the "based-on" criterion), but you seem to have deliberately referred to another context ("popularity"). my mistake. |
| 09:12.05 | Subvertir | largest installed base & biggest developer base |
| 09:12.17 | simonrvn | "If the author add the needed exception to allow to link |
| 09:12.17 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.25 | caphuso | simonrvn: upstream can't add it. any code contributor would have to been asked if he minded |
| 09:12.44 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, it's typical openssl bullshit. Upstream needs to change to use gnutls instead. |
| 09:12.50 | fatalblu | i think gnome just converted me |
| 09:12.54 | caphuso | simonrvn: which isn't feasible, so the only thing to do is porting to gnutls |
| 09:12.54 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 09:13.03 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 09:13.20 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: nah, it's really openssl's fault... no one else uses that stupid clause anymore. |
| 09:13.58 | dondelelcaro | (well, almost no one else does...) |
| 09:14.04 | simonrvn | i see it as openssl's fault; i mean, they could switch their licencing a bit, and all at once a shitload of stuff would be GPL compliant |
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| 09:14.19 | spoof | re |
| 09:14.24 | simonrvn | (yeh, i'm over-simplifying) |
| 09:14.40 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, they basically have said that they won't ever do that because they view it as the GPL's fault... |
| 09:14.46 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 09:14.49 | simonrvn | this is why i re-compile stuff locally... |
| 09:14.54 | caphuso | it's all a matter of perspective |
| 09:15.13 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it's a big deal... gnutls is almost a drop in replacement anyway |
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| 09:15.18 | bodq | how would I permit my non-root users to use gphoto2 for USB devices? |
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| 09:15.24 | simonrvn | that, and adding oldap support, and heimdal instead of mit kerby |
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| 09:15.57 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: is it? some of the syscalls and fucntions seem slightly different |
| 09:16.20 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: they are, but there's a compatibility library that is almost the same, iirc. |
| 09:16.30 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 09:16.39 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: granted, I haven't ever actually done the transition myself, so that's all heresay |
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| 09:16.50 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 09:17.08 | simonrvn | bodq: add them to video group? |
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| 09:17.19 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:17.30 | bodq | simonrvn: they already are |
| 09:17.43 | valdyn | bodq: plugdev ? |
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| 09:17.52 | simonrvn | so chown the device files, and set 660 on them. or plugdev, yeh |
| 09:18.19 | bodq | Vladi: what's that plugdev thing? apt-cache search plugdev reveals nothing |
| 09:18.29 | valdyn | bodq: a group |
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| 09:20.16 | bodq | valdyn: I think it open /proc/bus/usb/ files, I can not chown them, can I? |
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| 09:21.12 | valdyn | bodq: no, just add your user to that group iirc |
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| 09:21.36 | si_ | What's mean SARGE HAS FROZEN ? |
| 09:21.47 | valdyn | !frozen |
| 09:21.47 | dpkg | well, frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. |
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| 09:22.01 | si_ | ok |
| 09:22.03 | CaT[tm] | si: yes. i can hear the devil complaining about the weather even over here |
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| 09:22.38 | CaT[tm] | snowflakes have been found celebrating their new survival rate. |
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| 09:24.00 | bodq | valdyn: that doesn't help (I do log in and see myself in that group with `id` :) ) |
| 09:24.11 | spidey | Someone know a fronend for NES? |
| 09:24.52 | bodq | valdyn: who mounted that /proc/bus/usb, by the way? hotplug?? |
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| 09:25.54 | valdyn | bodq: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs i guess |
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| 09:29.21 | jusnetworx | Any opinions on the different GUI's ? (X, KDE, GNOME...) |
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| 09:29.49 | CaT[tm] | yes. I like mine kept simple. |
| 09:30.10 | jusnetworx | which one do you think is the best? |
| 09:30.24 | CaT[tm] | X+a window manager of choice |
| 09:30.25 | valdyn | !best |
| 09:30.25 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 09:30.30 | CaT[tm] | for my personal use. |
| 09:30.39 | valdyn | killall mergeant |
| 09:30.41 | jusnetworx | cool |
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| 09:31.01 | jusnetworx | is there an apt for the latest version? |
| 09:31.15 | CaT[tm] | that depends on the window manager you like :) |
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| 09:31.25 | paulswm | !beat Oracle for randomly picking sub optimal execution plans |
| 09:31.40 | Garda | just installed sarge, how to change desktop resolution? Linux newb |
| 09:31.46 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 09:31.46 | dpkg | paulswm: :) |
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| 09:32.02 | jusnetworx | i just started using linux/debian tonight... |
| 09:32.09 | jusnetworx | there is a lot to learn lol |
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| 09:32.35 | liable | Garda: what desktop? |
| 09:32.39 | jusnetworx | i just installed sarge rc3 |
| 09:32.42 | Garda | KDE |
| 09:32.51 | paulswm | jusnetworx: But persevere and don't get discouraged, and you will gradually become an expert :) |
| 09:32.53 | CaT[tm] | just: yeah :) basically X is the underlayer of sorts for the GUI. It provides the window creation stuff, comms to the gfx chipset and other fun things. on top of this you can have window managers to manage those windows. |
| 09:32.57 | dfzi | jusnetworx, it's a journey without a possibility to never reach to goal :D |
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| 09:33.11 | liable | Garda: looked in the control centre bit? |
| 09:33.17 | CaT[tm] | just: as a starter I'd say pick one at random, try it, see if you like it and if not, try another. |
| 09:33.18 | dfzi | dfzi, but still you're able to achieve the true linux nirvana. *hnnnnn* *hnnnnnn* |
| 09:33.21 | raboof | running debian sarge, i'd like to use thunderbird for reading my local mail (exim/procmail-delivered). |
| 09:33.35 | dfzi | jusnetworx, reach *the goal |
| 09:33.36 | raboof | i guess i should install an imapd - which one is recommended? |
| 09:33.55 | paulswm | dfzi: True, I've been using Unix for about 25 years, and still lots of stuff I don't know |
| 09:34.01 | CaT[tm] | just: rinse, cycle and repeat until you've found what you like. I can tell you what I like but that's only a minor detour on the road to selecting what you like |
| 09:34.03 | jusnetworx | well i don't have any gui installed, and it is Sarge... what is the latest version of X i can get that has an apt? |
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| 09:34.12 | rafx | anyone know what the dress-code is for the bug-squashing party? |
| 09:34.26 | CaT[tm] | just: you can apt-get install x-window-system to get the basic X setup |
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| 09:34.49 | liable | jusnetworx: used any form of linux before? |
| 09:34.53 | CaT[tm] | just: with that you'll get a basic, uglyish window manager called twm. it's not pretty but it works and it'll let you do basic stuff |
| 09:34.58 | jusnetworx | before i installed Sarge I loaded Woody, the X window system that installed by default looked horrid! |
| 09:35.03 | jusnetworx | yeah |
| 09:35.07 | jusnetworx | that's what I saw |
| 09:35.09 | jusnetworx | hehe |
| 09:35.14 | CaT[tm] | just: from there, do apt-cache search window manager and pick one |
| 09:35.34 | jusnetworx | ok thanks I will try that now |
| 09:35.43 | paulswm | rafx: Nekkid with a penguin placed appropriately, is my guess :P |
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| 09:35.53 | rafx | woohoo! |
| 09:36.05 | CaT[tm] | just: there'll be noise in the list. eyeball it and pick something at the top and work your way down |
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| 09:36.27 | jusnetworx | whoa i see what you mean there's lot of stuff that listed when i searched |
| 09:36.34 | bodq | valdyn: right. I'm trying a mount usbfs -t usbfs -o rw,devgid=video,devmove=0660 /proc/bus/usb but it doesn't change device file permissions |
| 09:36.40 | paulswm | rafx: Don't get too excited, I assume that a bunch of nekkid penguin-toting developers is not the prettiest sight :) |
| 09:36.57 | rafx | lol |
| 09:37.07 | notty | anyone around can help me with a pptp problem ? |
| 09:37.17 | valdyn | bodq: why the hell would you change anything in proc |
| 09:37.20 | liable | jusnetworx: new to linux? |
| 09:37.31 | valdyn | bodq: just dont. |
| 09:37.33 | jusnetworx | yes ... had it loaded for about 3 hours now |
| 09:37.46 | paulswm | !prize jusnetworx |
| 09:37.49 | jusnetworx | lol |
| 09:38.06 | bodq | valdyn: I'm stracing gphoto2 and it looks it opens /proc/bus/usb/XXX/XXX , and fails, and that upsets it. |
| 09:38.12 | liable | jusnetworx: get gnome or kde to start with (if memory isnt a prob) then try others, make it as easy as possible. |
| 09:38.37 | jusnetworx | so install x-windows then kde or the like? |
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| 09:39.08 | liable | yup, they should pull in any dependancies |
| 09:39.09 | valdyn | bodq: /proc/bus/usb/ us user readable by default. i dont know what business gphoto2 would have to write to it |
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| 09:40.30 | valdyn | !gphoto |
| 09:40.30 | dpkg | from memory, gphoto is supports over 80 different digital cameras. Home is http://www.gphoto.org, and there is a debian package in potato. |
| 09:40.40 | valdyn | !gphoto2 |
| 09:40.40 | dpkg | hmm... gphoto2 is a command line tooll too, gphoto2 --port /dev/ttyS0 --camera "kodak dc280" --get-all-files |
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| 09:41.11 | Fred | Hello everyone ;) |
| 09:41.14 | bodq | valdyn: it tries to write there. open("/proc/bus/usb/001/001", O_RDWR) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
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| 09:41.16 | valdyn | bodq: what current permissions on the device you are trying to use? |
| 09:41.28 | jusnetworx | umm tried to apt-get install konsole (since it installed dependancies), and I get an 'Unable to fetch some archives" error |
| 09:41.33 | tfoth | BrianHV:61)] |
| 09:41.34 | tfoth | [ lefty73 ] [ rafailow ] [ ej_ ] [ apfel ] [ muonix ] |
| 09:41.34 | tfoth | [ dafresh ] [ TiffOn ] [ MoDaX ] [ Ether_Man ] [ notty ] |
| 09:41.34 | tfoth | [ foxiness ] [ xNinja ] [ abauer ] [ gartt ] [ noname ] |
| 09:41.34 | tfoth | [ Jussi_ ] [ mortum ] [ ApTek ] [ Wanderer ] [ UltraSub ] |
| 09:41.36 | jusnetworx | err installes |
| 09:41.50 | liable | jusnetworx: run update |
| 09:42.13 | liable | jusnetworx: you changed your sources list to not look at cd? |
| 09:42.18 | bodq | valdyn: I'm not quite sure what is that device. |
| 09:42.22 | jusnetworx | yes one sec... |
| 09:42.26 | jusnetworx | ahh it's a dns problem |
| 09:42.35 | shyska | hello, won't i be out of place if i ask a question aboout debian install? |
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| 09:42.51 | Fred | Just ask |
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| 09:42.56 | valdyn | bodq: youre not supposed to fuck with /proc entries as user, if gphoto2 wants to do that, you should run it as root, but i dont know or use gphoto2 |
| 09:43.37 | shyska | ok, i have worked a bit with debian, have it at home, and now just setting up an older pc, but there i get a strange problem |
| 09:43.38 | dvsdude | how do i resize a partition without loosing any data.. |
| 09:43.41 | Fred | gphoto shouldn't be run as root ... |
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| 09:43.50 | Akselii | hey |
| 09:43.55 | jusnetworx | what command renews ip? |
| 09:44.06 | Fred | There are tools to resize partitions, it depends on which format it is |
| 09:44.10 | Akselii | jusnetworx: ipconfig /renew ? |
| 09:44.12 | bodq | valdyn: what's more fun, autodetect worksed |
| 09:44.13 | Akselii | not sure |
| 09:44.14 | shyska | i can boot with sarge cd, but after i choose language etc, and installer searches for cd-rom it can't mount it... |
| 09:44.27 | kuene | jusnetworx: /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 09:44.28 | jusnetworx | i thought it was ifconfig |
| 09:44.37 | jusnetworx | k |
| 09:44.39 | Fred | @shyska : which config |
| 09:44.42 | dvsdude | Fred ext3 |
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| 09:44.48 | liable | jusnetworx: it is |
| 09:44.50 | Fred | ext3 can be resized |
| 09:44.53 | Akselii | hey |
| 09:45.02 | kuene | jusnetworx: ifdown eth:0;ifup eth0; |
| 09:45.03 | Akselii | when i bootup |
| 09:45.09 | Fred | Can't remember the software name ... |
| 09:45.15 | dvsdude | Fed: qt parted or cfdisk or fdisk |
| 09:45.22 | dvsdude | sorry fred |
| 09:45.22 | Fred | parted, that's it |
| 09:45.26 | shyska | i wrote testing sarge, and in command promt enter either nothiing or "linux26" |
| 09:45.27 | Akselii | i see this thing loads all unneeded stuff like PCMCIA card managers, how can i remove them? |
| 09:45.32 | Fred | thx dvsdude |
| 09:45.46 | jusnetworx | kuene: /etc/init.d/network: No such file or director |
| 09:45.49 | jusnetworx | directory |
| 09:45.51 | dvsdude | Fred: cheers |
| 09:46.26 | Fred | It's networking and not network |
| 09:46.39 | Fred | /etc/init.d/networking |
| 09:46.41 | shyska | also tat cd works fine with my home pc and another cd-rom drive in this particular pc wont work... |
| 09:46.42 | caphuso | and someone re-reported the describe-key bug |
| 09:46.44 | kuene | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 09:46.45 | jusnetworx | cool thanks |
| 09:46.46 | kuene | sorry |
| 09:46.48 | Fred | try [tab] to complete command lines |
| 09:47.31 | kuene | fred: cool ;) |
| 09:47.39 | Fred | @shyska : is your CD drive reliable ? |
| 09:47.40 | ravenbird | okay, Fred |
| 09:47.55 | Fred | I had some problems with old CD drives that did not support CDRW well |
| 09:48.06 | Fred | But if it can boot ... |
| 09:48.10 | streuner_ | ravenbird, listauth Fred |
| 09:48.12 | ravenbird | factoid author list by 'Fred' (3): wert is you ;; tell kink you ;; shyska :. |
| 09:48.18 | suzzi | I'm having an issue, I cant get my user account (well any acct for that matter) to authenticate. everytime I attempt to login via telnet I keep getting rejected. logs also state that the authdemon is rejecting my acct. If I check with 'courierauthtest user' I get the user info though if it 'courierauthtest user pass' it fails ??? where should I go from here? |
| 09:48.35 | streuner_ | Fred: you created a factoid, do you know that? |
| 09:48.36 | suzzi | by the way this is courier-imap and couier-auth |
| 09:48.46 | Fred | lol I don't know :D |
| 09:48.55 | Fred | irssi may have been doing this for me |
| 09:48.56 | shyska | cd i burned image on is CR-R, cd-rom worked on windows98 and another cd-rom also seem to work fine |
| 09:49.02 | kuene | suzzi: you need a userdb? |
| 09:49.19 | Fred | ... and it says it can't boot it ? |
| 09:49.27 | Fred | or load packages on it ? |
| 09:49.29 | streuner_ | Fred: Don't use '@' at the beginning of your sentence here in IRC |
| 09:49.29 | suzzi | kuene: is there something that i can use to generate that or should I just cp /etc/passwd ??? |
| 09:49.34 | Fred | lol ok |
| 09:49.54 | Akselii | how can i apt-get remove squid if i dont have squid in /etc/init.d/? |
| 09:50.18 | Fred | You can simply by running apt-get remove squid ... |
| 09:50.19 | streuner_ | ravenbird forget tell kink you |
| 09:50.20 | ravenbird | i forgot tell kink you, streuner_ |
| 09:50.26 | shyska | it says with cd-rom1 that it can't mount cd-rom, and with cd-rom2 that it mounted but cd isn't debian-cd |
| 09:50.30 | Fred | It'll remove all the other files |
| 09:50.48 | Akselii | Fred: no not workin |
| 09:51.00 | Fred | Did you tried burning the CD again ? |
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| 09:51.29 | Fred | Does this error popup on the boot process or later, when you allready got your menu ? |
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| 09:51.32 | Akselii | i cant remove squid |
| 09:51.33 | Akselii | Nooooooooooo |
| 09:51.41 | shyska | yes, actually, i tried those cd's that i used for my own pc (worked god) |
| 09:51.42 | Fred | what error message ? |
| 09:52.06 | Akselii | Fred: i removed /etc/init.d/squid and now i cant apt-get remove it :( |
| 09:52.16 | Fred | Did you try using the CD drive from the pc that works :D ? |
| 09:52.25 | shyska | i got boot menu, after that choose languge and keyboard map |
| 09:52.31 | Fred | Just unplug it and plug it into the odd case |
| 09:52.37 | Fred | old sorry |
| 09:52.41 | shyska | nope, haven't thought about it :S |
| 09:53.11 | Fred | That's what I did when some box didn't want to read installation CDs well |
| 09:53.32 | Fred | When you're finished with Debian's installation just use networking :) |
| 09:53.42 | liable | shyska: old pc, is it? |
| 09:53.52 | shyska | amd k6-300 |
| 09:53.55 | shyska | intel mobo |
| 09:53.58 | Fred | Anyone running Debian on AMD64 ? |
| 09:54.01 | shyska | wierd combination |
| 09:54.04 | Fred | lol |
| 09:54.10 | Akselii | hey? |
| 09:54.22 | liable | shyska: did you try with 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:54.26 | Akselii | how can i remove squid if it doesent want to rem it? |
| 09:54.29 | Fred | Askelii : what error message |
| 09:54.43 | Akselii | it says it cant find /etc/init.d/squid |
| 09:54.45 | shyska | hmm.. one more thing why i get confussed - DSL linux from cd worked fine on that cd-rom... |
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| 09:54.50 | liran_ | how do i control the deamons/modules that load on startup? |
| 09:55.04 | Fred | apt-get remove --purge --force squid |
| 09:55.26 | spidey | Why wher i run ./configure i get: configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../.. ?? |
| 09:55.29 | Fred | or you can just touch /etc/init.d/squid && chmod 700 /etc/init.d/squid |
| 09:55.39 | Fred | Or even reinstall it, and the uninstall :D |
| 09:55.51 | liable | shyska: boot with 'lniux26' option |
| 09:55.58 | liable | linux even |
| 09:56.03 | bob2 | spidey: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 09:56.19 | shyska | liable: tried both wont work |
| 09:56.20 | liran_ | is there some centeralized tool to configure debian? |
| 09:56.24 | spidey | bob2: FceuLauncher 0.2 |
| 09:56.37 | liran_ | like linuxconf or something |
| 09:57.02 | Akselii | thanks Fred now it removed it |
| 09:57.12 | shyska | thnx, for advices, gonna trie some cd-rom switching |
| 09:57.24 | liable | shyska: shitty advice, but I remember someone else having this prob, and woody would boot the cd, but sarge wouldnt. |
| 09:57.40 | Fred | Akselii : you're welcome |
| 09:57.48 | jusnetworx | ok it finished apt-get installing konsole, i start it with startx right? |
| 09:58.01 | Fred | yes |
| 09:58.09 | jusnetworx | *sigh* |
| 09:58.17 | Fred | ... or at least try to start it that way ^ |
| 09:58.17 | liable | jusnetworx: konsole? |
| 09:58.19 | Akselii | Fred: do you know how can i remove PCMCIA cardmgr? |
| 09:58.30 | jusnetworx | that is kde or no? |
| 09:58.46 | Fred | look for the package with dpkg -l | grep pcmcia |
| 09:58.54 | liable | jusnetworx: apt-get install kde ,kde-base, kde-core |
| 09:59.03 | paulswm | jusnetworx: You then start konsole from within the kde desktop |
| 09:59.04 | Fred | Then you remove the packages that are listed |
| 09:59.07 | Akselii | thanks Fred |
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| 09:59.11 | liable | pick one, the latter install less crap |
| 10:00.00 | Akselii | i got too much crap installed |
| 10:00.13 | Akselii | so this computer freezes because of stockkernel and so |
| 10:00.15 | liable | jusnetworx: fast internet connection? |
| 10:00.38 | jusnetworx | I used apt-get install konsole to get KDE (or so I thought), when I type startx, I get " /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory |
| 10:00.40 | Fred | Do you only try to install X ? |
| 10:00.54 | Fred | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 10:00.58 | jusnetworx | k |
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| 10:01.19 | Akselii | you need x |
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| 10:01.22 | jusnetworx | i thought it would install X too |
| 10:01.35 | Fred | You just need to configure x |
| 10:01.51 | liable | jusnetworx: 'apt-get install kde' should install x too. |
| 10:01.57 | jusnetworx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:02.27 | RichiH | caphuso: /j #flood |
| 10:02.27 | jusnetworx | i am apt-get install x-windows right now... |
| 10:02.38 | Fred | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:02.40 | caphuso | RichiH: i'm already there |
| 10:02.44 | RichiH | erm, sorry |
| 10:02.44 | Akselii | hmm |
| 10:02.46 | Akselii | i want icc |
| 10:03.00 | paulswm | jusnetworx: I expect that the reason that konsole doesn't install X is that it can be used by another computer running X, not necessarily on the host |
| 10:03.02 | jusnetworx | heheh |
| 10:03.07 | jusnetworx | yeah i have 4Mbit down |
| 10:03.20 | RichiH | caphuso: i will look into it. but problem is a get notices where i am not at the front of the line, too |
| 10:03.33 | RichiH | like foo, bar, richih, baz and others |
| 10:03.34 | jusnetworx | paulswm: i see |
| 10:03.47 | Akselii | is there Intels C Compiler in apt-get? |
| 10:03.51 | RichiH | caphuso: i wanted to talk to you and /j #flood at the same time ;) |
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| 10:03.54 | Fred | lol no |
| 10:04.00 | Akselii | i cant find it with apt-cache search |
| 10:04.00 | caphuso | RichiH: heh |
| 10:04.03 | Fred | icc is only available on Intel's dev website |
| 10:04.10 | leo | hello eberybody: which linux bittorrent client for GNOME ? |
| 10:04.17 | caphuso | RichiH: go find a client that implements & properly ;-) |
| 10:04.18 | paulswm | jusnetworx: Not a lot of help to you, but useful trivia :) |
| 10:04.28 | Akselii | Fred: icc can be dloaded from portage, and non commerical licence is free |
| 10:04.29 | Fred | The day it becomes OSS it will eventually get its way into apt :) |
| 10:04.32 | jusnetworx | trivia is good |
| 10:04.39 | Akselii | guess ill just emerge it then |
| 10:04.40 | RichiH | caphuso: true, irssi should support that! |
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| 10:04.50 | Fred | Debian is another way of thought |
| 10:04.59 | jusnetworx | why doesn't apt allow you to pick which version installs? Is that due to the sources I picked? |
| 10:05.00 | Akselii | Fred: i got portage and apt :) |
| 10:05.17 | RichiH | leo: from what i have heard, azureus is the way to go. join #azureus-users |
| 10:05.17 | Akselii | gah |
| 10:05.23 | Akselii | emerge 1 of 79 o_O |
| 10:05.28 | Fred | apt has only one version of each software in its database |
| 10:05.41 | Fred | It depends on which source you choose (sources.list file) |
| 10:05.43 | paulswm | jusnetworx: A release is built around dependencies between packages, so you don't get a choice of release, you get the release which has been tested to work with the distro |
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| 10:05.54 | jusnetworx | that makes sense |
| 10:06.05 | Fred | And Akselii, do you plan to rebuild your system with icc ? |
| 10:06.05 | dvsdude | help parted resize a partition I want to resize from 137 to 100 its currenty the drive is partiitoned as follows hdb3 = fat32 9.32GB hdb1 =ext3 137GB and hdb2 2.57GB swap I want to end up with 30GB in new partion |
| 10:06.16 | Fred | It's going to be a real pain ... |
| 10:06.44 | jusnetworx | so if say i get the release with apt, it gives me the dependencies. Then I can manually upgrade the parts I want afterwards? |
| 10:07.09 | paulswm | jusnetworx: apt-get or aptitude will install the dependent packages for you |
| 10:07.21 | Fred | That means you can update your system through apt |
| 10:07.23 | paulswm | jusnetworx: this is the brilliance of the debian package management system |
| 10:07.32 | jusnetworx | yes, it is very cool |
| 10:07.38 | liable | jusnetworx: you get the latest debian packages for sarge available |
| 10:07.38 | Fred | When a new release becomes available, apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 10:07.43 | Fred | That's it |
| 10:08.16 | liable | hopefully :) with fingers crossed |
| 10:08.24 | paulswm | jusnetworx: you can keep you entire distro up to date with apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, I run sarge and tend to to that every couple of days or so |
| 10:08.25 | jusnetworx | for a specific instance, I guess I mean say there is a newer version of X or KDE that comes out... |
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| 10:09.05 | liable | jusnetworx: yes, when it comes into the repository, an update and dist-upgrade installs it |
| 10:09.31 | jusnetworx | cool |
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| 10:09.46 | paulswm | jusnetworx: it will go into unstable, thyen, if it doesn't break after a couple of weeks, it will move into testing, however, as sarge (testing) is frozen pending move to stable, that is probably not happening for all packages |
| 10:10.30 | paulswm | jusnetworx: But that is not a good reason to install unstable (sid) - as the name says, it is unstable and may result in occasional breakage |
| 10:10.43 | Fred | When will sarge be un-frozen ? |
| 10:10.47 | jusnetworx | k |
| 10:10.51 | Fred | 2 weeks after stable comes out ? |
| 10:11.01 | paulswm | Fred: when it becomes the stable release |
| 10:11.12 | dondelelcaro | and then it will become a bose condensate. |
| 10:11.13 | Fred | And what name did they choose for the "new" testing ? |
| 10:11.17 | dondelelcaro | Fred: etch |
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| 10:11.24 | paulswm | And then etch == testing |
| 10:11.34 | Fred | You mean etch will be available just when sarge becomes stable ? |
| 10:11.41 | liable | dondelelcaro: bose condensate? |
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| 10:11.55 | Fred | Don't they give themself a couple of weeks to see how things run ? |
| 10:12.17 | dondelelcaro | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose-Einstein_condensate |
| 10:12.25 | liable | cheers |
| 10:13.25 | polok | how do I get rid of repeated characters in words? |
| 10:13.35 | liable | ooh, /me backs away from that page, avoiding eye contact |
| 10:13.43 | jusnetworx | must not have liked something, after i typed startx, the screen went black |
| 10:13.51 | polok | for example 'assasin' becomes 'asin' |
| 10:14.04 | liable | jusnetworx: then? |
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| 10:14.10 | jusnetworx | that's it |
| 10:14.14 | jusnetworx | it's just black |
| 10:14.20 | dondelelcaro | polok: with a regex. |
| 10:14.53 | polok | gah |
| 10:14.59 | polok | regex are horribly >_< |
| 10:15.02 | polok | *horrible |
| 10:15.02 | dondelelcaro | polok: but exactly how you get from assasin to asin is rather nebulous |
| 10:15.20 | Fred | btw, did anyone get Debian to utf8 cleanly ? |
| 10:15.22 | jusnetworx | ahh i just noticed something... |
| 10:15.22 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: Interesting link, thanks, although Albert is probably revolving in his grave at the thought of his name appearing on the same page as the words 'Heisenberg,' 'uncertainty' and 'quantum :)' |
| 10:15.42 | jusnetworx | the screen resolution/colors are all jacked up |
| 10:15.47 | liable | jusnetworx: ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 10:15.51 | jusnetworx | k |
| 10:16.05 | dondelelcaro | Fred: yes, anyone did. |
| 10:16.20 | jusnetworx | hehe i wondered how to get out of x ... |
| 10:17.49 | liable | jusnetworx: any errors on screen? |
| 10:18.20 | jusnetworx | hmm |
| 10:18.29 | jusnetworx | warnings for font renderer |
| 10:19.20 | liable | jusnetworx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:19.24 | jusnetworx | k |
| 10:19.46 | liable | jusnetworx: you know your hardware eh? |
| 10:19.52 | jusnetworx | yes |
| 10:21.04 | Fred | dondelcaro : di you really managed to get utf8 running right ? |
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| 10:21.37 | dondelelcaro | Fred: yes, and so did anyone. |
| 10:22.37 | Fred | Which debs should be installed ? |
| 10:22.52 | Fred | I tried a couple of times, but it was such a pain ... |
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| 10:24.03 | jogla | helo |
| 10:24.09 | jogla | wich livecd do you use? |
| 10:24.24 | liable | jogla: for what? |
| 10:25.23 | jusnetworx | well it's late, i am getting to tired to mess with this right now. |
| 10:25.32 | jusnetworx | Thanks for everyone's help! |
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| 10:25.59 | funkyhat | what repos do i need to add to synaptic/apt to get the xmms-wma package? |
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| 10:26.41 | anthony | funkyhat, google can answer that |
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| 10:27.54 | funkyhat | :$ sorry |
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| 10:28.02 | jogla | liable: for using wmaker, accessing to my ssh server and programming perl |
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| 10:29.29 | liable | jogla: dunno, try knoppix or ubuntu live or anything, debian doesnt have one. Look at there home pages, maybe. |
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| 10:31.01 | jogla | liable: knoppix and ubunto havent got wmaker at all.. |
| 10:31.30 | liable | jogla: sorry, dont know. |
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| 10:33.56 | ercin | anyone able to compile kernel with bootsplash? |
| 10:34.46 | liable | ercin: I think using debian kernels makes it almost impossible. (for some reason) |
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| 10:36.19 | jogla | you must patch and compile one of the kernels from kernel.org |
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| 10:37.13 | bob2 | initrd probably makes it harder |
| 10:37.50 | ercin | looks like the kernel patches on bootsplash.de is for previous releases of debian kernel :) |
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| 10:38.02 | liable | ?? I thought you needed to make the initrd with the splash in it |
| 10:38.03 | ercin | better to use splashy |
| 10:38.25 | jogla | you can configure your debian kernel do run without initrd and then simply use the initrd from the bootspash package |
| 10:39.02 | liable | ercin: go the bootlogo, its not real impressive, but its a shitload easier |
| 10:40.17 | ercin | liable, i dont like that shit but we have a linux exhibition |
| 10:40.40 | ercin | liable, i mean bootsplash |
| 10:40.43 | ercin | :) |
| 10:40.45 | liable | oh, go the kernel org source then |
| 10:40.52 | ercin | ok |
| 10:40.58 | ercin | thanks |
| 10:41.05 | liable | np |
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| 10:46.58 | Esaj | is there a way to change my uid without being root? |
| 10:47.05 | bob2 | er |
| 10:47.06 | Esaj | I deleted a user, and readded it, but now it has a different uid from previously, so I can't delete the old files |
| 10:47.10 | bob2 | there's no way without being root |
| 10:47.15 | Esaj | *grumble8 |
| 10:47.24 | asg | Esaj: and you would have had to have been root to delete the user anyway |
| 10:47.30 | paulswm | Exactly |
| 10:47.31 | Esaj | asg: I used a web control panel |
| 10:47.46 | Esaj | the server admin isn't very responsive... |
| 10:47.47 | asg | Esaj: send your hosting company some mail asking nicely then |
| 10:47.56 | Esaj | yeah, looks like I'll have to do that |
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| 10:48.24 | paulswm | Esaj: That sucks, but at least you won't forget next time :) |
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| 10:49.48 | Loevborg | hi. does anyone know how to enter the "dash" character using the compose key? |
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| 10:50.36 | BACbKA | can somebody please recommend me a channel (other than #lvm which is dormant now) to get help with salvaging good extents out of an LVM partition (1 vg with 4 reiserfs lvs) with bad sectors? |
| 10:51.09 | bob2 | I wouldn't bother looking for an irc channel |
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| 10:51.21 | bob2 | get on the sistina (or whatever it is now) lvm mailing list |
| 10:51.25 | BACbKA | bob2 :-( |
| 10:51.45 | BACbKA | i'll try |
| 10:51.45 | liable | whats the compose key? |
| 10:52.08 | BACbKA | bob2: I had vague hopes of using this laptop when teaching tomorrow :-( |
| 10:52.22 | suzzi | ugg... back again with another ssh tunnel question. if I get 'channel 4: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused' if i try 'ssh -L...' is that my firewall eating things before they make it to the server? |
| 10:53.01 | BACbKA | liable: it's a key you hold down while pressing things like (e) and (') to get an (e-acute) |
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| 10:53.10 | valdyn | suzzi: not your firewall if you can "ssh remotehost" |
| 10:53.32 | suzzi | valdyn: =( humm then i'm stumped. |
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| 10:54.16 | Loevborg | liable, a compose key is a key which is designated to signal the software to interpret the next keystrokes as a combination in order to produce a character not found on the keyboard |
| 10:54.20 | suzzi | I can ssh remote host just fine, the firewall passes 22 just fine. where should I start looking for a solution then ? |
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| 10:55.19 | liable | oh, thx, never heard of it before. |
| 10:55.28 | valdyn | suzzi: run a new server like "sshd -d -p <somerandomport>" and connect to that one |
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| 10:56.52 | technos | Argh, we seem to have acquired a join-spambot. |
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| 10:57.17 | liable | technos: tell !ops |
| 10:57.30 | liable | the name |
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| 10:58.03 | saloxin | suzzi: what's the full ssh command line you're using? |
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| 10:58.28 | technos | liable: Yeah, yeah. Was about to do that, but the microwave screamed "hot coffee! Come and get it!" |
| 10:58.39 | liable | hehe |
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| 10:58.49 | suzzi | saloxin: ssh -f -N -L 9143:benh.homeip.net:143 -L 9025:benh.homeip.net:25 |
| 10:59.04 | snurkis | hola |
| 10:59.13 | snurkis | algun español |
| 10:59.20 | liable | !es |
| 10:59.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:59.49 | saloxin | whoa two tunnels at the same time :-) which one fails? |
| 11:00.18 | mac_bobby | hello. is it possible to link pdf-files with the acrobatreader instead of kghostview? mmh, i mean durably |
| 11:00.21 | suzzi | saloxin: so far I've only tried to telnet across 9143 |
| 11:00.24 | technos | !ops Yet another on-join spambot, one "deLTa". Anyone for a game of whack the bot? |
| 11:00.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Yet another on-join spambot, one "deLTa". Anyone for a game of whack the bot |
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| 11:00.37 | bob2 | hah |
| 11:00.46 | bob2 | so |
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| 11:00.52 | bob2 | my ibook does have a nicer screen than my x40 |
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| 11:01.29 | valdyn | mac_bobby: man mailcap |
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| 11:02.02 | technos | My microwave is a filthy liar. |
| 11:02.02 | Zambba | <stupid question again> How can I mount my cdrom drive |
| 11:02.21 | saloxin | suzzi: is your ssh jumpstation and target the same? |
| 11:02.33 | technos | Zambba: mount /dev/cdrom <where you want it mounted> |
| 11:02.50 | suzzi | saloxin: jumpstation? |
| 11:03.04 | valdyn | suzzi: try making only 1 tunnel at a time, see which one fails |
| 11:03.11 | technos | Zambba: Well, that'll work if the symlink from /dev/hd<xx> is set properly. |
| 11:03.18 | saloxin | suzzi: here's my ehm rdp tunnel over ssh jumpstation: ssh -C -L 1494:target:1494 saloxin@jumpstation |
| 11:03.59 | saloxin | suzzi: ah, you just want to ssh tunnel your unencrypted mail? |
| 11:04.01 | suzzi | saloxin: I'm on my laptop at a coffeeshop trying to get to my box at home. |
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| 11:04.34 | valdyn | suzzi: so jumpstation=<your home box> |
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| 11:04.57 | Zambba | Oh, it doesn't work |
| 11:05.00 | suzzi | valdyn: then what would the target be? |
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| 11:05.11 | valdyn | suzzi: you home box |
| 11:05.25 | liable | Zambba: mount -a |
| 11:05.32 | suzzi | valdyn: so I have to go from my home box to my homebox to get to my laptop??? |
| 11:05.35 | valdyn | suzzi: ssh tunnel can be used to access a box _behind_ a ssh server, but you dont want that |
| 11:05.50 | valdyn | suzzi: so both are identical for you |
| 11:05.59 | suzzi | valdyn: nope just laptop through firewall to home |
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| 11:06.14 | Zambba | mount -a /dev/hdc ? |
| 11:06.53 | suzzi | saloxin: I tried only one tunnle and the only diff is that it's 'channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused' instead of channel 4 |
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| 11:07.08 | valdyn | suzzi: firewall box = "home" i assume |
| 11:07.14 | technos | Zambba: That also sounds reasonable. |
| 11:07.32 | valdyn | suzzi: err, or you have portforwarding for ssh on on your firewall to "home" |
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| 11:07.51 | suzzi | valdyn: no, thats what I was asking before, I have one of those dlink routers with a firewall built in. |
| 11:07.59 | liable | Zambba: just mount -a |
| 11:08.16 | saloxin | suzzi: add some -v's to get more verbose errors - although usually not very informative |
| 11:08.22 | suzzi | just so that I have my head around this all does the tunnel expand on the first box that it hits or the correct box that it hits? |
| 11:08.29 | suzzi | saloxin: ohh good point. |
| 11:08.30 | valdyn | suzzi: yea, you said "ssh home" works so you have portforwarding activated for ssh ( port 22 ) on your dlink thingie |
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| 11:08.41 | RedEyess | Hi |
| 11:08.44 | RedEyess | Call me crazy |
| 11:08.51 | RedEyess | but how do I install RPMS on Debian? |
| 11:08.58 | liable | alean |
| 11:09.03 | liable | alien even |
| 11:09.04 | valdyn | suzzi: correct me if thats is wrong... |
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| 11:09.09 | RedEyess | alien? |
| 11:09.10 | RedEyess | ok |
| 11:09.16 | RedEyess | I will try that out |
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| 11:09.34 | liable | RedEyess: cant get it in .deb? |
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| 11:09.48 | liable | RedEyess: or source? |
| 11:09.48 | RedEyess | haven't tried yet |
| 11:10.01 | suzzi | valdyn: ya I can ssh in to the box at home so I didnt think that the firewall would be an issue, just checking though |
| 11:10.01 | Zambba | I try "mount /dev/hdc" but it says "Mount point /media/cdrom0 does no exist" :'( |
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| 11:10.39 | saloxin | suzzi: quick fix - ssh in and use mutt? |
| 11:10.40 | liable | Zambba: just 'mount -a' |
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| 11:10.50 | suzzi | saloxin: hehe |
| 11:10.57 | valdyn | suzzi: ok, now that is cleared up, both, the remotehost and the host given in -L should be identical |
| 11:11.27 | Zambba | liable: okay, it didn't make any error but how can I use that cdrom drive now when I did "mount -a" ? :S |
| 11:11.44 | hever | Hello there, I want to set up my IR Port on my notebook, because I build a roboter and want to connect to it now.... I need a programm which shows me all incoming data. Esp from a tv remote control or something... So that I could see >> aah there are data send to my ir port... Anybody knows a good one ? I've minivom installed but I think my IR Port is not set up correctly... |
| 11:11.58 | suzzi | yup ssh -v -v -f -N -L 9143:benh.homeip.net:143 benh.homeip.net |
| 11:12.04 | liable | Zambba: as in access it? |
| 11:12.07 | Zambba | yea |
| 11:12.19 | polok | how do I check the return values of programs I execute in a bash script? |
| 11:12.20 | hever | How could I set up my IR Port under Debian Linux? And test it? |
| 11:12.31 | liable | Zambba: with a file browser or command line? |
| 11:12.49 | Zambba | file browser |
| 11:12.53 | suzzi | hever: if you tail the file that repersents the IR port (use dmesg to find if you dont know) what do you get? |
| 11:13.04 | liable | Zambba: which wm? |
| 11:13.08 | Zambba | kde |
| 11:13.10 | saloxin | hever: package irda-utils -> irda-dump :-) |
| 11:13.23 | hever | suzzi: tail ? |
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| 11:13.28 | liable | Zambba: open konq, in sidebar, go to devices |
| 11:13.57 | valdyn | suzzi: ssh -v -v -f -N -L 9143:benh.homeip.net:143 username@benh.homeip.net |
| 11:14.22 | Zambba | Konq gives an error: "mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist" |
| 11:14.40 | saloxin | hever: go to http://tldp.org and look for infrared howto |
| 11:14.44 | suzzi | valdyn: my user name on my laptop and server are the same so I just skip it... would that matter? |
| 11:15.14 | liable | Zambba: ok, navigate to /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 |
| 11:15.27 | valdyn | suzzi: thats fine, yea. Now your problem might be that your laptop is on a different network than it was before |
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| 11:15.34 | jono | hi all |
| 11:15.45 | jono | I installed mailman on woody, where do I access the web interface? |
| 11:16.28 | suzzi | hever: tail is a program that reports the last part of a file, if you tail /dev/ir (or what ever it is) and then point your remote at your laptop and watch the screen as you press buttons on your remote if theres jibberish that shows up on screen then everything is working.. well connected, if there is nothing then you dont have the IR port setup correctly |
| 11:16.29 | Zambba | liable: Well in /dev/ there isn't /cdroms |
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| 11:17.39 | suzzi | is there a pastebot for the chan that I can paste in the debug stuffies? |
| 11:17.44 | liable | Zambba: correct. :) try hdc |
| 11:17.48 | bob2 | paster. |
| 11:18.14 | suzzi | thanks bob2 |
| 11:18.41 | saloxin | jono: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/docs.html |
| 11:19.15 | usn | hi all |
| 11:19.22 | scar` | why is the download speed of my proftpd server within my LAN only at ~250kb/s ? 100mbit fdx connected. upload works fine. |
| 11:19.42 | suzzi | debug stuffies: http://channels.debian.net/paste/99 |
| 11:20.34 | technos | scar`: Proftpd is capable of throttling bandwidth. PErhaps it is configured that way? |
| 11:20.39 | saloxin | suzzi: can you "telnet localhost 143" from the homebox? |
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| 11:20.56 | suzzi | hever: how are things going? any progress? |
| 11:21.25 | scar` | technos, no I have not changed anything in the configuration file. it worked fine, before I recompiled my kernel from 2.4.26 to 2.4.30 |
| 11:21.52 | paulswm | Hardly ever say anything direct these days, bob2, but hope all is well with you in Oz |
| 11:22.07 | bob2 | hah |
| 11:22.10 | bob2 | just busy with work and such |
| 11:22.11 | valdyn | suzzi: I cant tell much w/o seeing the servers debugging output, do you already have ssh tunnels running unknowingly? |
| 11:22.13 | bob2 | and being sick |
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| 11:22.42 | technos | scar`: That is odd. Stock kernel? |
| 11:22.52 | liable | Zambba: still with us? no luck? |
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| 11:23.11 | paulswm | bob2: Sorry to hear the sick bit, I am also very busy here in FL, hope you are better soon, hanging out here probably isn't helping :P |
| 11:23.13 | jono | I have accessed the web interface to mailman in woody and I get a forbidden message - anyone know why? |
| 11:23.27 | scar` | technos, I added some modules and things I need. no stock. |
| 11:23.35 | bob2 | paulswm: hah, yeah |
| 11:24.03 | suzzi | saloxin: yup I can get to the IMAP server when I telnet:143 on the homebox |
| 11:24.09 | suzzi | valdyn: I'll dig that up for you. |
| 11:24.48 | rj- | ok, in order to use ProxyPass and ProxyPassReverse in apache2 debian. I must run ./a2enmod proxy |
| 11:24.53 | rj- | right? |
| 11:25.10 | technos | scar`: Any funny logfile output? I am afraid you have me at a blank here, the configuration directive was the only thing I could think of. |
| 11:25.34 | hever | suzzi: I installed the irda tools package and I think there is now a ir port. I got with dmesg | grep ir: (It opens irtty then comes a ioctl32 with a unknown command and then a irtty_close. All this on ttyS1). |
| 11:25.42 | scar` | technos, where's the log at ... I'll check |
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| 11:26.21 | technos | scar`: Typically /var/log/proftpd.log |
| 11:26.37 | hever | suzzi: This means its set up, or not? And how could I test it or print out all data send to it? |
| 11:27.02 | technos | scar`: Or var/log/proftpd/whatever |
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| 11:27.57 | scar` | technos, well, looks like it doesn't exist |
| 11:28.17 | scar` | technos, I even tried to apt-get remove/ reinstall. .... didn't work out |
| 11:29.05 | saloxin | hever: irdadump should dump any incoming packets if it is working |
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| 11:30.01 | suzzi | valdyn: here is auth.log http://channels.debian.net/paste/100. that was the only thing that I could see that had any thing, but if there are other logs that you need just ask. |
| 11:30.15 | liable | scar`: diff the old and new configs maybe??? go through the config again? |
| 11:31.09 | scar` | liable, no. I backed it up before and moved it. it is the same.... as I said, no changes...!? |
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| 11:31.34 | liable | oh, ok. |
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| 11:32.26 | technos | scar`: Looks like debian default makes it log to daemon.lo. Al double checked the defaqult config, there is no by-default throttle either. I'm out of ideas. |
| 11:32.40 | suzzi | hever: tail /dev/ttyS1 this will start 'watching' that device. then point your remote at the IR port on your laptop. as you press buttons on the remote, watch the screen. if there is a bunch of jibberish that shows up on screen then everthing is setup and it's more of a software issue. if there is no jibberish then you might be pointing to the wrong place or the IR port is bad... or the remote is bad .... eather way it's hardware at that |
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| 11:33.30 | valdyn | suzzi: yea, your ssh seems to work fine, your server on 143 does not seem to be there.. |
| 11:33.32 | scar` | technos, what do you mean by the default config? /etc/proftpd.conf is all I know about ...!? |
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| 11:34.11 | suzzi | valdyn: hummm I'll look and see if IMAP is still up ??? |
| 11:34.15 | valdyn | suzzi: login via ssh and nmap localhost |
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| 11:35.15 | technos | scar`: *nods* That is the only config file. I just blew it out of a box here and made sure it loaded the new config (what would happen on a uninstall/purge/reinstall) to make sure they didn't throttle by default is all. |
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| 11:36.12 | suzzi | valdyn: yup 143 is still up 143/tcp open imap |
| 11:36.18 | valdyn | suzzi: and as a test you could temporarily also build an ssh tunnel to port 22 |
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| 11:36.31 | scar` | technos, how can I remove it and make apt download it from woody stable servers? because as I reinstalled it, he took it from somewhere else, but did not download it |
| 11:36.45 | suzzi | valdyn: hummm I'll see if that goes. |
| 11:36.52 | ercin | j #splashy |
| 11:36.56 | ercin | ups :) |
| 11:37.29 | liable | ercin: still probs with kernel.org? |
| 11:37.46 | ercin | not tried yet |
| 11:37.58 | valdyn | suzzi: telnet localhost 9141 .... SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4 |
| 11:38.37 | technos | scar`: You'll want to look at purge and/or reinstall. |
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| 11:39.11 | suzzi | valdyn: your ssh -> ssh tunnel worked out just fine. I wonder if it is that firewall somehow ? |
| 11:39.45 | hever | suzzi, saloxin: Must or could I start the IR port? Because dmesg started it.... and then stopped it |
| 11:39.45 | jono | in mailman I have set my URL to www.domain.com/mailman/ but when I use the admin interface it tries to go to www.domain.com/cgi-bin/mailman - how can I fix this? |
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| 11:40.18 | technos | scar`: apt-get --purge remove <xx> will wipe everything, including config files. |
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| 11:41.10 | ercin | liable, now building vanilla 2.6.11 |
| 11:41.15 | saloxin | hever: paste dmesg to the pastebot paster (or use #flood) |
| 11:41.25 | shakparl | why are my kde fonts so frickin huge? |
| 11:41.30 | saloxin | hever: not all of it though - only infrared thingies ;-) |
| 11:41.32 | valdyn | suzzi: the host give in -L should be resolved by your host give in username@remotehost, so you could try using "localhost" there |
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| 11:42.06 | suzzi | valdyn: did you mean 9143 ? |
| 11:42.18 | suzzi | valdyn: 9141 fails |
| 11:42.29 | liable | ercin: sweet, nice to see how you go. Tried it once, gave up, and cant be bothered now. But may try it again if I get bored enough. :) |
| 11:42.34 | valdyn | suzzi: -L 9143:localhost:143 remotehost |
| 11:42.48 | suzzi | valdyn: I'll give that a whirl |
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| 11:44.07 | suzzi | valdyn: BING! that did it... so why does that work is what I'm confused about? |
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| 11:44.59 | scytheman | what happens to OOo 2.x in debian? because debian has no java-packages at all |
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| 11:45.05 | valdyn | suzzi: because "remotehost" resolves to your firewall box, and on your firewall there is nothing to deal with port 143 |
| 11:45.20 | kuru | how do I know what plugins I have installed on firefox? |
| 11:45.25 | scar` | technos, doesn't work :-( |
| 11:45.45 | valdyn | suzzi: that can only work for 22 since you are only forwarding port 22 to your home box |
| 11:46.01 | suzzi | ahhh |
| 11:46.06 | suzzi | valdyn: that makes sence |
| 11:46.08 | saloxin | valdyn, suzzi: nice :) |
| 11:46.13 | funkyhat | kuru, click tools and then extensions |
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| 11:47.17 | kuru | jre doesn't show |
| 11:47.26 | suzzi | valdyn: saloxin: well now thats done... i think that it's time for bed |
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| 11:47.52 | DoktorTomoe | has anyone managed to get a working kde3.4 with devel-packages under debian sid using http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/? |
| 11:47.55 | suzzi | valdyn: thanks so much for getting me through all of that |
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| 11:48.57 | ercin | liable, still the same "undefined reference" errors |
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| 11:50.48 | liable | ercin: in compile? |
| 11:50.55 | ercin | yeah |
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| 11:51.13 | jono | anyone use mailman here? |
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| 11:51.25 | liable | ercin: whats the whole error |
| 11:51.40 | liable | ercin: #flood if big |
| 11:52.02 | scar` | damn it why is this damn thing so slow? |
| 11:52.12 | liable | ercin: the patch applied cleanly? |
| 11:53.57 | technos | scar`: Can you roll back to the older kernel and have that function at full speed? |
| 11:54.23 | scar` | technos, yes I think that would be just a little edit in lilo... |
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| 11:55.12 | ercin | liable, yeah no errors to stdout |
| 11:55.24 | ercin | drivers/built-in.o(.text+0xcb7f): In function `splash_getraw': |
| 11:55.24 | ercin | : undefined reference to `con2fb_map' |
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| 11:55.32 | ercin | and a few more |
| 11:55.37 | lachin | hi |
| 11:56.15 | hever2 | saloxin, suzzi I pasted my dmesg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/101 |
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| 11:56.22 | reagent | hi |
| 11:56.31 | lachin | i want login ircbear/technotux |
| 11:56.34 | lachin | help me |
| 11:56.38 | lachin | how login |
| 11:57.06 | lachin | irc://irc.ircbear.com/technotux |
| 11:57.15 | liable | ercin: try copying the patch again. Was text? |
| 11:57.18 | lachin | how i login? |
| 11:57.29 | saloxin | hever2: doesn't look good. you have to figure out what kind of infrared device you have. I don't think it's a serial on ttyS1 |
| 11:57.30 | Mage___ | lachin: stop repeating yourself. |
| 11:57.49 | scar` | technos, check out #flood .... my daemon.log is full of this ... |
| 11:58.00 | hever2 | saloxin, its a IR build in in my Notebook |
| 11:58.32 | liable | night, good luck ercin |
| 11:58.39 | saloxin | hever2: google your notebook brand infrared debian -> see what others have come up with regarding your IR chip |
| 11:58.46 | ercin | liable, thx |
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| 11:59.06 | saloxin | hever2: findchip miht also be helpful |
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| 11:59.20 | scar` | technos, ... what can I do? |
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| 12:00.28 | hever2 | saloxin, find chips finds no known chip |
| 12:01.09 | saloxin | hever2: findchips is very limited.. |
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| 12:01.09 | technos | scar`: That's a plain old ntpd dying error message. It's failing because something was already bound to the port it wanted |
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| 12:01.25 | saloxin | hever2: any luck with googling your notebook? |
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| 12:01.40 | hever | saloxin: im searching |
| 12:01.41 | technos | scar`: I bet if you look back a bit, you'll see ntpd announce it can't bind to the local address. |
| 12:02.30 | technos | scar`: That's likely to generate enough CPU overhead to fool with a lot of things. |
| 12:02.37 | qpee | hi i want to redirect a string (like echo "foo") to tar to create a tgz file using `echo 'foo' | tar cvfz foo.tgz` that doesn't work out. how could i use stdin to give tar food? |
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| 12:03.05 | technos | scar`: At least it does on this test machine when I tell it there is no ntp port in /etc/services and cause the same error. |
| 12:04.05 | Iconsumed | when I kill epiphany or galeon, the tab set ispreserved until the next start, but is there a way of saving the tabs without killing the application? |
| 12:04.25 | scar` | technos, so what am I supposed to do? |
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| 12:05.27 | piantux | bonjour |
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| 12:05.59 | piantux | qqn parle français ici? |
| 12:06.28 | Plouj | if I have an old 3.0r2 woody install CD, and use it now, would it install the latest stable version of Debian? I'm asking because I'm not sure how the installer works and what has changed since r2. |
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| 12:06.48 | scar` | technos, could it be, that my nic isn't loaded correctly? |
| 12:06.56 | piantux | Les paquets suivants contiennent des dépendances non satisfaites : |
| 12:06.56 | piantux | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.18 | piantux | je fais comment pour l'installer alors? |
| 12:07.22 | valdyn | Plouj: only "minor" changes, like security fixes |
| 12:07.40 | Anders1 | piantux: #debian-fr |
| 12:07.46 | valdyn | Plouj: trivial to install those from 3.0r2 |
| 12:07.49 | piantux | need help please |
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| 12:08.10 | netman1 | Plouj: if change your /etc/apt/sources.list at earliest opurtunity, and do a an apt-get update/upgrade, you will be current. |
| 12:08.19 | Plouj | oh, alright |
| 12:08.28 | Plouj | and how do I find out what change it to? |
| 12:08.33 | piantux | how to install OOo2 on sarge? |
| 12:08.41 | piantux | please |
| 12:08.41 | supersox_ | Hi, I'm having problems getting an older ATI card to run (ATI M3) with direct rendering, currently googeling for the answer but wondering if anyone could help punt me in the right direction a bit faster? |
| 12:08.56 | netman1 | Plouj: change it to the nearest mirror |
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| 12:09.08 | valdyn | Plouj: i *think* it already will be setup to grab those fixes by default. |
| 12:09.18 | piantux | is there a mirror to install OOo2 on debian |
| 12:09.21 | technos | scar`: That is possible. I don't see why that would set ntpd off like that, but then again you can get that message with a generic connectivity issue I suppose. it's not getting the time and eventually many forked copies are floating about |
| 12:09.43 | valdyn | !info apt-setup |
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| 12:10.15 | scar` | technos, hm ... |
| 12:10.30 | piantux | OO2 on debian is there a mirror? |
| 12:10.46 | valdyn | piantux: i do not think its packaged for debian |
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| 12:11.22 | supersox_ | I would doubt a debian package, isn't OO2 released as Beta? |
| 12:11.23 | technos | scar`: But that's just conjecture. |
| 12:11.29 | netman1 | piantux: apt-cache search oo2 |
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| 12:11.47 | piantux | yes it's beta |
| 12:12.06 | valdyn | netman1: i doubt that would even yield a result once its packaged |
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| 12:13.42 | scar` | technos, I dont know what to do .... this is too weird |
| 12:13.55 | piantux | i 've some problems to install amule on my pc it gives me this message |
| 12:14.18 | piantux | Les paquets suivants contiennent des dépendances non satisfaites : |
| 12:14.19 | piantux | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.30 | piantux | how to resolve that |
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| 12:14.32 | technos | scar`: Don't worry, I'm scratching my head as well. Well, I would be, but I'm wearing a hat, so I'm actually scratching that. |
| 12:14.42 | ld_ | khad |
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| 12:18.24 | scar` | technos, hehe ... okay chill a bit ... I gotta go get something. bb in about 30minutes okay. then we'll try that nic issue I mentioned. later and thx so far |
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| 12:20.03 | piantux | usma |
| 12:20.16 | piantux | usma dzzayer alassima |
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| 12:22.16 | lucox | hello all ,... when i BUILD a package and i want to automatically install what is in the Depends Field of DEBIAN/control file ... what should i do ? |
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| 12:23.08 | hever | saloxin: How could I send data over my IR port ? |
| 12:23.23 | asg | lucox: just apt-get install them and then dpkg -i your built package |
| 12:24.17 | asg | lucox: or put your built package in a local repository and apt-get install it |
| 12:24.23 | lucox | but why not only dpkg -i mybuiltpackage , and the "Depends packages" will install automatic ?? |
| 12:24.48 | asg | lucox: because dpkg doesn't handle automatically grabbing dependencies, that's apt-get's job. |
| 12:24.51 | lucox | aha so you want to say that dpkg doesn't solve the dependences ? |
| 12:24.58 | lucox | only .... apt-ge.... i read .... |
| 12:25.01 | lucox | ok thanks ... |
| 12:25.08 | asg | lucox: it does, it just doesn't retrieve the dependent packages |
| 12:25.20 | lucox | aha oki i understood ... |
| 12:25.20 | asg | lucox: i.e., if you did dpkg -i p1 p2 p3 p4, it would work |
| 12:25.34 | lucox | oki thnks asg ;) |
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| 12:25.38 | asg | lucox: you're welcome |
| 12:25.51 | memic | hi |
| 12:25.55 | memic | is plesk running with debian |
| 12:25.57 | memic | ? |
| 12:26.03 | lucox | hey poeple ... check the new evince ;) |
| 12:26.10 | lucox | it's veeery good |
| 12:26.12 | asg | memic: it can but we don't support it since it isn't an official debian package. |
| 12:26.32 | memic | asg: do u have experience with it? |
| 12:26.41 | memic | or anybody else? |
| 12:26.47 | asg | memic: no, I admin my boxes via ssh |
| 12:27.05 | memic | asg: hehe, me too, but this is not normal ;) |
| 12:27.18 | asg | memic: sure it is, web administration panels are not normal ;) |
| 12:27.20 | lucox | what is plesk ? |
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| 12:28.16 | lucox | how can work this bot dpkg for me ? |
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| 12:28.23 | lucox | how can i ask him ? |
| 12:28.50 | bodq | lucox: /msg dpkg help |
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| 12:29.23 | lucox | ok thnx |
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| 12:29.34 | lucox | is there any other bot ? |
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| 12:30.01 | doub | lucox: you need to generate a Packages and Release file, there's a tool for this within debian. then add the dir you put those, in your sources.list with a file:/// url |
| 12:30.19 | doub | lucox: then apt-get install <yourpackage> will install dependencies |
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| 12:30.35 | lucox | doub : have u seen this question ? because i not ... i KNOW all that ;) |
| 12:30.43 | FlimFlamMan | Bass ( BruceLee@203.106.209.129 ) <-- pr0n spambot |
| 12:31.01 | simonrvn | FlimFlamMan: /topic |
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| 12:31.37 | lucox | okey bye boys ... |
| 12:31.41 | FlimFlamMan | ops: Bass ( BruceLee@203.106.209.129 ) <-- pr0n spambot |
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| 12:32.43 | MASoft | how can I get a list of non-free programs ? |
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| 12:33.15 | lindi- | MASoft: apt-get install vrms if you want a list of installed non-free packages |
| 12:33.50 | MASoft | lindi-, is there anyway to see this list when I am not in Debian ? I am in Slackware, now |
| 12:34.17 | doub | MASoft: ask #slackware then |
| 12:34.19 | Delph | MASoft: i'm confused.. you want to know which nonfree programs are available for install? |
| 12:34.34 | Delph | or you want to know which ones you've got installed? |
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| 12:35.11 | MASoft | doub, I want see the list of non-free programs of Debian :D |
| 12:35.22 | MASoft | Delph, yes :D |
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| 12:35.30 | lindi- | MASoft: vrms is just a script that reads '/var/lib/dpkg/status', you can run it under slackware just as well if you change it to read status file from your debian installation |
| 12:35.43 | IDC | why i did run apt-get remove --purge apache2, now run /etc/init.d/apache2 start can still run the service ? |
| 12:35.46 | Delph | someone fish out the 'what the different debian repositories include' link. |
| 12:35.48 | lindi- | MASoft: or chroot? |
| 12:36.06 | asg | IDC: because you didn't remove apache2-mpm-* probably |
| 12:36.09 | Delph | about contrib and non-free and stuff |
| 12:36.21 | MASoft | lindi-, is it not available in Debian Website ? |
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| 12:36.29 | lindi- | MASoft: sure is |
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| 12:36.39 | Delph | MASoft: packages.debian.org might be a good start |
| 12:36.44 | MASoft | lindi-, I didn't find anything ! |
| 12:37.05 | IDC | asg, Thanks :) |
| 12:37.24 | MASoft | Delph, ok ! I think I must try again ... |
| 12:37.33 | asg | IDC: you're welcome |
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| 12:37.53 | asg | MASoft: just go to the non-free section of your local mirror and list the contents |
| 12:37.55 | hever | Anybody knows how I could send data over my IR Port ? |
| 12:37.58 | IoP | MASoft: http://packages.debian.org/testing/allpackages grep for (contrib|non-free) |
| 12:38.21 | MASoft | thx |
| 12:38.29 | salahuddin66 | how to kill a process |
| 12:38.30 | technos_ | hever: It works just like a serial port under Linux typically. |
| 12:38.31 | Delph | MASoft: fs |
| 12:38.34 | IoP | or http://packages.debian.org/testing/allpackages.en.txt.gz is better |
| 12:38.42 | salahuddin66 | my mplayer now hang up rading a dvd |
| 12:38.42 | Delph | go to the homepage. Click on the link 'debian packages' and it's all there. |
| 12:38.58 | salahuddin66 | kill 1892 |
| 12:39.01 | salahuddin66 | some ting |
| 12:39.12 | salahuddin66 | but it is not working |
| 12:39.18 | salahuddin66 | how to force a precess kill |
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| 12:39.55 | MASoft | salahuddin66, I thin killall -9 mplayer ! |
| 12:40.39 | salahuddin66 | thanx |
| 12:40.45 | salahuddin66 | but ? -9 means |
| 12:40.51 | hever | Ok, anybody knows how I could send data to my serial port ? |
| 12:40.52 | asg | salahuddin66: really kill it |
| 12:40.58 | salahuddin66 | oh |
| 12:40.59 | salahuddin66 | ok |
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| 12:41.05 | asg | salahuddin66: man 7 signal |
| 12:41.13 | salahuddin66 | ok |
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| 12:41.19 | Delph | salahuddin66: carefully placed explosive charges on your memory sticks. |
| 12:41.46 | green_earz | salahuddin66: have a look at use hdparm so you can get a better data stream on your dvd drive |
| 12:41.53 | salahuddin66 | ya |
| 12:42.10 | MASoft | hever, do u need it for programming ? |
| 12:42.35 | salahuddin66 | the killall -9 gmpayer is not working |
| 12:42.46 | salahuddin66 | oh |
| 12:42.55 | salahuddin66 | now oky after some seconds |
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| 12:43.23 | green_earz | salahuddin66: ps -A and find the process id number then kill id number |
| 12:43.35 | salahuddin66 | thanx |
| 12:43.39 | salahuddin66 | :) |
| 12:43.42 | green_earz | np |
| 12:43.56 | salahuddin66 | i am looking for notmalizer |
| 12:43.59 | salahuddin66 | normalizer |
| 12:44.12 | hever | saloxin: How could I change the baudrate of my ir or serial port ? |
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| 12:44.28 | salahuddin66 | but debian has normalize-audio is generally do not recognise by the k3b |
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| 12:48.44 | khanman | does anyone know of a samba-openLDAP howto for sarge? i found a good one on idealx.org .....but it uses fedora core2 so of course the packages will be different from the ones i need |
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| 12:49.19 | [Granger] | iNsaNe == spam |
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| 12:49.55 | asg | !ops iNsaNe (porn spam) |
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| 12:50.28 | asg | caphuso: thanks |
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| 12:54.21 | Delph | MASoft: by the way, it's suggested to use pkill instead of killall |
| 12:54.49 | Delph | (is it solaris?) some *nixes take 'killall' to mean 'kill all processes'... starting at init and working down. |
| 12:55.10 | Delph | but pkill does the same on both. |
| 12:55.35 | Gathond | Delph: solaris have killall as a reboot like thing yes :) |
| 12:56.37 | IDC | i removed apache,but something left in /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2* ,should i remove them all from there as well ? |
| 12:56.52 | Delph | IDC: see which package owns it |
| 12:57.13 | Delph | dpkg -S <name of file> |
| 12:57.13 | dpkg | There is no record of a <name of file> package |
| 12:57.48 | Delph | ooh, wait, lib/dpkg/\ |
| 12:58.10 | IDC | wait |
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| 12:58.58 | Delph | IDC: yeah, those files are used by the packaging system. |
| 12:59.01 | IDC | Delph, it says doesn't find file |
| 12:59.05 | Gnurdux | yaya gnome 2.10 packaged! |
| 12:59.11 | IDC | so okay to remove them ? |
| 12:59.16 | Delph | IDC: yeah, i'm sorry, i didn't notice they were in /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 12:59.26 | Gnurdux | too bad they couldnt wait until afterwards to freeze sarge :( |
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| 12:59.33 | Delph | IDC: leave them be... |
| 12:59.40 | IDC | Delph, Thanks :) i was hurt by this new apache2 :) |
| 12:59.53 | Delph | i'm decidedly not suggesting tinkering with things inside dpkg. |
| 13:00.11 | IDC | oh |
| 13:00.24 | Delph | it may be safe, but I don't know enough to say yes or no. |
| 13:00.32 | Delph | and they're not large files, so just ignore them. |
| 13:00.38 | IDC | but ..strange...if i didn't install apach2,they wouldn't have been there |
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| 13:00.53 | IDC | s/apach2/apache2 |
| 13:01.05 | Delph | didn't you said you removed it? |
| 13:01.20 | IDC | not yet,but i have removed apache2 |
| 13:01.41 | Delph | IDC: yes. Those are the information files and pre/post installation scripts for apache2 |
| 13:01.47 | IDC | yeah updatedb then located apache removed every other stuff related to it but only several files there left im not sure what to do |
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| 13:01.53 | Delph | eg which files are the config files. |
| 13:02.22 | Delph | IDC: just leave them alone, it'll be fine. |
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| 13:03.27 | MASoft | is there any problem for changing xfree86 with xorg in Sarge ? |
| 13:03.30 | Sparc64 | What does the keyword 'compact' mean in the /etc/nsswitch.conf file? |
| 13:04.09 | Delph | MASoft: /msg dpkg xorg |
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| 13:04.54 | IDC | 8 files there at all '/var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.conffiles # /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.list# /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.md5sums #/var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.postinst #/var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.postrm #/var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.prerm# /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-utils.list #/var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-utils.md5sums' |
| 13:05.04 | IDC | sorry |
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| 13:05.39 | Delph | IDC: leave them alone. |
| 13:05.48 | IDC | I really want to remove them though :( |
| 13:06.01 | asg | IDC: then remove apache2-common |
| 13:06.30 | Delph | asg: that's been done... but dpkg hasn't cleared up it's /info/ directory -- I don't know if it's meant to or not. |
| 13:06.47 | asg | Delph: it is supposed to. What does 'dpkg -l apache2-common' print? |
| 13:06.51 | IDC | asg, done that earlier |
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| 13:07.10 | madmax | guys.. i got sarge v3 running, i use gnome, its 2.8.x there.. how can i updatge to 2.10 without compiling it but using the debian system? |
| 13:07.18 | IDC | Maybe i should do a reboot ? |
| 13:07.28 | asg | IDC: what does 'dpkg -l apache2-common' print? |
| 13:07.45 | Delph | madmax: if it's not packaged in sarge, then it won't be available. |
| 13:07.47 | asg | IDC: and don't paste the first 4 lines, only the one with apache2-config |
| 13:07.51 | asg | s/config/common |
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| 13:08.13 | IDC | ii apache2-common 2.0.54-2 next generation, scalable, extendable web se |
| 13:08.19 | asg | IDC: then you didn't remove it |
| 13:08.24 | Fo | installed :D |
| 13:08.25 | asg | IDC: apt-get remove --purge apache2-common |
| 13:08.29 | Sparc64 | What is the 'compat' service in /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 13:08.34 | IDC | oh, i did remove apache-common |
| 13:08.34 | madmax | Delph, but there must be a way to get the experimental packages running . |
| 13:08.36 | Delph | Sparc64: see the man page |
| 13:08.36 | asg | Sparc64: for libc5 compatibility |
| 13:08.43 | IDC | ok |
| 13:08.44 | asg | Sparc64: man nsswitch.conf |
| 13:08.47 | Sparc64 | aaah |
| 13:08.59 | Iconsumed | when I kill epiphany or galeon, the tab set ispreserved until the next start, but is there a way of saving the tabs without killing the application? |
| 13:09.04 | Delph | madmax: "if you have to ask, you don't really want to" is the line with the experimental sources. |
| 13:09.05 | Sparc64 | the man just says its /lib/libnss_compat.so.X |
| 13:09.11 | Sparc64 | that does not tell me what it is |
| 13:09.26 | Delph | madmax: have a look in unstable (sid) and see if the packages are there. |
| 13:09.35 | asg | Sparc64: iirc, it is used to provide NSS semantics missing in libc5. |
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| 13:10.25 | Sparc64 | asg: what does NSS stand for? |
| 13:10.32 | asg | Sparc64: name server switch |
| 13:10.38 | Sparc64 | ok, got it |
| 13:10.42 | IDC | :D system is clean now |
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| 13:10.53 | asg | Sparc64: s/server/service/ |
| 13:10.55 | Delph | thanks asg |
| 13:11.00 | asg | Delph: you're welcome |
| 13:11.12 | IDC | Delph and asg Thanks a lot |
| 13:11.20 | asg | IDC: :) |
| 13:11.56 | IDC | Delph, yeah,you were very right,i should not remove them manually,there might be something left that i haven't been done |
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| 13:13.26 | asg | c |
| 13:13.30 | asg | oops |
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| 13:20.34 | IDC | strange,now i install apache,other packages seem fine except the 'apache2-utils' |
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| 13:21.27 | Xer0__ | anyone knows why my LCD connected with DVI makes some pixels blink? connected via VGA to the same card it works fine |
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| 13:22.07 | xxenon | what sort of software can I use to encapsulate any protocol for use through a http proxy ? (equivalent to httport on win32) |
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| 13:27.32 | reagent | how can I configure cron-apt to send mail when there are new upgrades only? |
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| 13:30.20 | doub | xxenon: you might want to try using a SOCKS proxy instead |
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| 13:30.50 | xxenon | doub - Ill try to read docs on that ... |
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| 13:31.05 | xxenon | doub - I mean, Im not the owner of the proxy. I cant change it in any way. |
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| 13:31.53 | doub | xxenon: there's a CONNECT command on some http proxies, you should investigate on that. otherwise i don't know |
| 13:31.55 | lindi- | xxenon: httptunnel? |
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| 13:32.10 | xxenon | lindi- - Ill check that too ... |
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| 13:35.44 | prock | 2.6.8-2-686 stock kernel is clobbering my /dev permissions =( |
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| 13:37.20 | saloxin | prock: udev playing games with you? |
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| 13:38.03 | prock | gah. It's difficult to convince people at work to use debian over rh when this sort of stuff happens :( |
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| 13:38.50 | asg | prock: why are you changing permissions in /dev |
| 13:40.22 | doub | prock: udev is not mandatory. i even wonder when it's of any use |
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| 13:40.59 | asg | doub: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=127 |
| 13:41.20 | prock | asg: everything in /dev is getting set to root:root 0660 whenever I reboot |
| 13:41.25 | prock | that aint right |
| 13:41.34 | asg | prock: no, that isn't. Are you using udev? |
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| 13:42.04 | simonrvn | do you have a /.dev? |
| 13:42.13 | RomanK | pgrep udev |
| 13:42.14 | prock | yup |
| 13:42.27 | prock | yes, udev is running |
| 13:42.51 | RomanK | maybe your udev-configs are b0rked up? i would remove --purge and reinstall it |
| 13:43.00 | RomanK | if you didn't make any changes you want to keep |
| 13:43.27 | chrysopa | HighPingedLPB, how I make to exclude directories from a rsync command? I try --exclude /tmp, but dont work. |
| 13:43.34 | chrysopa | Hi how I make to exclude directories from a rsync command? I try --exclude /tmp, but dont work. |
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| 13:43.50 | RomanK | chrysopa: we won't answer until you asked at least 5 times |
| 13:43.55 | doub | asg: this doesn't say much about udev, except that it's based on an article about udev uses |
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| 13:44.18 | asg | doub: the previous article on the site explains more. The article I gave you indicates one possible use for udev. |
| 13:44.40 | chrysopa | RomanK, What? I need to ask 5 times? |
| 13:44.57 | doub | asg: it talks about autofs, not udev, right (i just read it quickly) |
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| 13:45.19 | asg | doub: it talks about using autofs and udev to automount/unmount usb memory cards, etc. |
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| 13:45.36 | floyd_n_milan | im thinking of using Debian... i would like to download the DVD ISO and i want the bleeding edge software... how do i get it? |
| 13:45.49 | chrysopa | Hi how I make to exclude directories from a rsync command? I try --exclude /tmp, but dont work. |
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| 13:46.09 | floyd_n_milan | can i get unstable DVD ISO images? |
| 13:46.13 | simonrvn | floyd_n_milan: not by downloading a dvd iso.... |
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| 13:46.41 | fatalblu_ | abe vigoda status: still alive |
| 13:46.41 | RomanK | Floops: not that i know of... but you can download the netinstall-iso (which even fits on a CD-R) and install the unstable packages via network |
| 13:46.52 | floyd_n_milan | well, then should i get the stable DVDs and then update the software? |
| 13:46.57 | RomanK | uhm... s/Floops/floyd_n_milan/ |
| 13:46.58 | doub | asg: the article it's based on allows you to do the same without udev... udev is not the key of the problem here |
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| 13:47.06 | asg | floyd_n_milan: since unstable is updated daily, building dvd isos is just pointless. Get sarge and update if you must (after reading the sid faq of course (/msg dpkg sid faq)) |
| 13:47.09 | marty | floyd_n_milan: you need to run the jigdo script |
| 13:47.21 | doub | asg: that's why i tend to believe udev is not worth the hassle |
| 13:47.25 | floyd_n_milan | ah ok |
| 13:47.49 | prock | purge and reinstall of udev seems to have solved my dev permission problem, btwt |
| 13:47.55 | floyd_n_milan | so i'll get the latest stable DVD ISO and then update the software... thanks |
| 13:47.59 | asg | doub: nevermind |
| 13:48.03 | prock | thanks =) |
| 13:48.24 | marty | floyd_n_milan: jigdo will build a suitable iso - you have to find a suitable jigdo file - and just let your internet fly |
| 13:48.38 | floyd_n_milan | oh ok |
| 13:48.46 | beardy_ | doesn't he want the net installer? |
| 13:48.46 | floyd_n_milan | there's documentation on the site right? |
| 13:49.20 | doub | asg: it might be wonderful for people creating distributions, so they can say "everything is automated". but when this "automated" stuff fails, it fails non-gracefully, and because it was automated, no-one bothered to look, so no-one knows how to fix it, thus making a big problem out of just simple things |
| 13:49.21 | marty | sure, |
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| 13:49.30 | asg | beardy_: he's been told about it, whether he chooses to take advantage of that info or not ... |
| 13:49.41 | marty | the netinst is just a 100M iso to get you started |
| 13:50.00 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 13:50.00 | marty | the jigdo ISOs are "complete" |
| 13:50.05 | asg | doub: oh, I agree with you completely, I was just indicating that there are uses for udev. I've never used it nor intend to |
| 13:50.09 | elephantman | Is it better to use scp or rsync ? |
| 13:50.12 | caphuso | doub: except that udev is mainly useful to end users |
| 13:50.19 | beardy_ | asg: ok, I missed that then |
| 13:50.23 | caphuso | the distributor couldn't care less |
| 13:50.24 | elephantman | To synchronise one local & one remote dir ? |
| 13:50.29 | asg | elephantman: rsync is reported to be faster |
| 13:50.31 | RomanK | floyd_n_milan: i would get the latest testing-iso... not the latest stable |
| 13:50.39 | elephantman | asg: ok thanx |
| 13:50.41 | RomanK | floyd_n_milan: google for debian-installer... the first hit it is ;) |
| 13:50.48 | floyd_n_milan | oh ok |
| 13:50.52 | asg | !d-i floyd_n_milan |
| 13:50.53 | dpkg | floyd_n_milan, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:51.00 | marty | elephantman: depends what for scp - for secure transfer is you know what you want - rsync is for trickle feed |
| 13:51.03 | xoz | elephantman: rsync gives you more flex but scp can be use for ordinary copying. |
| 13:51.25 | saloxin | elephantman: rsync only copies differences - so great for syncing. rsync -e ssh to get crypto |
| 13:51.35 | elirips | hello people. anybody knows if there is a deb-package that contains a gcc with support for Motorola 68HC12-cpus? |
| 13:51.50 | floyd_n_milan | hmmm |
| 13:51.56 | marty | saloxin has the ight answer |
| 13:51.58 | elephantman | saloxin: ok great. Security is not a important issue in this case |
| 13:52.00 | marty | right answer |
| 13:52.01 | elephantman | Ok thanx all |
| 13:52.07 | RomanK | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/i386/ <--- waaah? 3 dvds? |
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| 13:52.14 | saloxin | marty: i win? ;-) |
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| 13:52.18 | asg | !full cd advocacy |
| 13:52.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, full cd advocacy is you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy bastard. maybe a good reason to have more than one ... |
| 13:52.18 | floyd_n_milan | im a bit confused... sorry... |
| 13:52.27 | floyd_n_milan | im on windows and would like the DVD ISO |
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| 13:52.34 | marty | elirips: i thought all gcc's can cross compile |
| 13:52.36 | floyd_n_milan | jigdo? |
| 13:52.48 | doub | caphuso: i fail to understand in what respect it's "useful" |
| 13:52.59 | RomanK | floyd_n_milan: forget about the jigdo-thing ;) you won't need it ;) |
| 13:53.12 | xoz | crosscompile plus support of hardware |
| 13:53.12 | caphuso | doub: do you own a usb stick or something comparable? |
| 13:53.16 | RomanK | oh... you do need the DVDs? then you will need jigdo, too |
| 13:53.40 | floyd_n_milan | RomanK, so how do i go about this? |
| 13:53.54 | doub | caphuso: yes, but i know how to deal with those without much trouble |
| 13:54.07 | RomanK | floyd_n_milan: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 13:54.31 | elirips | marty: i am just reading through the docs.. now i've just seen the line 'The 68HC1x port is integrated in GCC 3.3.1 already. A patch is however necessary to fix some problems (Why patching?).'.. |
| 13:54.38 | xoz | floyd_n_milan: visit debian.org. it has very good info about your questions. |
| 13:54.43 | floyd_n_milan | oh ok |
| 13:54.55 | floyd_n_milan | im there right now... it seems to have too much info :P |
| 13:55.09 | doub | caphuso: having to deal with udev, just not to have to type "mount /dev/sda1 /key" is not worth it |
| 13:55.11 | caphuso | doub: with regular old static /dev you plug it in, it gets assigned /dev/sd0, you have an entry "/dev/sd0 /media/usbstick ..." in /etc/fstab and access it by "mount /media/usbstick", right? |
| 13:55.13 | floyd_n_milan | im confused as to where to start |
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| 13:55.18 | floyd_n_milan | ok i'll read the doc |
| 13:55.20 | floyd_n_milan | thanks |
| 13:55.22 | xoz | floyd_n_milan: ask nontrivial questions here. |
| 13:55.32 | doub | caphuso: more or less |
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| 13:55.48 | saloxin | floyd_n_milan: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <- new installer |
| 13:56.30 | caphuso | doub: then you get an usb hard disk, plug it in too, it gets assigned to /dev/sdb, you add an appropriate entry in /etc/fstab and run 'mount /dev/usbdisk'. still right? |
| 13:56.30 | loadd77 | hello is someone of you guys familar with jms ? |
| 13:56.45 | doub | caphuso: of course you're in trouble if you have several usb keys or usb devices, as they can be /dev/sda1 once and /dev/sdb1 the next day, depending on insertion order |
| 13:56.48 | marty | elirips: sorry, no idea - check out the ##c channel i guess |
| 13:56.58 | caphuso | doub: exactly. and that's where udev comes in |
| 13:57.24 | caphuso | doub: you tell udev that this exact device should always be /dev/usbstick, and that /dev/usbdisk |
| 13:57.26 | doub | caphuso: there are UUID for that matter, too |
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| 13:57.39 | marty | loadd77: i know that is java messaging service - that's about it ;-) |
| 13:57.43 | elirips | marty: thanks. didn't thought about that. |
| 13:58.00 | loadd77 | ;-) |
| 13:58.03 | doub | caphuso: just put UUID=<uuid of file system> in fstab instead of /dev/sda1 and everything's fine |
| 13:58.18 | caphuso | doub: and if you want to use your card reader and 50 SD cards, you want to add 50 UUID entries in /etc/fstab? |
| 13:58.26 | marty | loadd77: try a java channel i guess!! |
| 13:58.33 | loadd77 | ok |
| 13:58.48 | floyd_n_milan | ok... so i download jigdo from the homepage.. run it and provide http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/rc3/i386/sarge-i386-2.jigdo as the URL? |
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| 13:59.30 | saloxin | floyd_n_milan: bingo |
| 13:59.35 | doub | caphuso: no, i'll just mount them by hand. the uuid stuff is useful for external hard drives, that i often mount in a special place. usb keys or flash cards are different |
| 13:59.39 | floyd_n_milan | okies... thanks :) |
| 13:59.45 | green_earz | floyd_n_milan: wget the two jigdo file first |
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| 14:00.00 | marty | floyd_n_milan: u need to get jigdo-lite and give the url of the jigdo. jigdo-lite then collects the files and builds an iso on the fly |
| 14:00.03 | caphuso | doub: they are only different if you don't use udev |
| 14:00.08 | floyd_n_milan | yups |
| 14:00.19 | floyd_n_milan | downloading jigdo-lite right now :) |
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| 14:00.41 | marty | just make sure you tell it to get files from your nearest mirror |
| 14:00.55 | green_earz | floyd_n_milan: put each dvd jigdo file in its own dir |
| 14:01.15 | doub | caphuso: that still doesn't buy it. i won't bother configuring stuff just not to have to think 2 seconds about what 'mount' command to type |
| 14:01.34 | doub | caphuso: and udev tends to break things, too |
| 14:01.39 | caphuso | doub: that's fine for your situation. udev is a general solution |
| 14:01.40 | floyd_n_milan | what's the difference between the 2 files? i mean, wouldn't it be ok if i only get the newer one? |
| 14:01.46 | caphuso | doub: and what exactly does it break? |
| 14:01.56 | floyd_n_milan | oh |
| 14:01.58 | floyd_n_milan | are these 2 DVDs? |
| 14:02.06 | green_earz | floyd_n_milan: 3 |
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| 14:02.16 | floyd_n_milan | hehehe okies |
| 14:02.19 | marty | floyd_n_milan: each jigdo defines a single cd or dvd |
| 14:02.19 | doub | caphuso: software that doesn't know about it and only creates /dev entries once |
| 14:02.25 | green_earz | floyd_n_milan: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/i386/ |
| 14:02.34 | floyd_n_milan | yes im there... downloading :) |
| 14:02.39 | floyd_n_milan | thanks again |
| 14:02.42 | caphuso | doub: and where's the problem? |
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| 14:03.08 | marty | floyd_n_milan: it then downloads the template that tels it what files to get - everything is checked by md5 so you know you have the genuine article |
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| 14:03.17 | green_earz | floyd_n_milan: have a look at using trickle to control the down load rate |
| 14:03.42 | floyd_n_milan | oh ok |
| 14:03.51 | doub | caphuso: configuring udev + fixing non-udev-aware software + fixing internal udev problems, doesnt make it, definitely. |
| 14:04.16 | marty | floyd_n_milan: there are 3 DVDs there. you probably only the first for most installs |
| 14:04.40 | marty | floyd_n_milan: debian uses the populairty contest to determine what to put on the cd and dvds |
| 14:04.41 | doub | caphuso: as the thing says "if it's not broken, don't fix it", i.e. it's better to have things that won't break on the first windblow |
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| 14:04.49 | caphuso | doub: the system is broken |
| 14:04.58 | green_earz | floyd_n_milan: so you should have a dir for each dvd with sarge-i386-x.jigdo sarge-i386-x.template in each |
| 14:04.58 | marty | floyd_n_milan: the most popular files are on the earlier cds and dvds |
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| 14:05.00 | caphuso | doub: it doesn't scale to current setup |
| 14:05.04 | simonrvn | remove udev, you remove headaches |
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| 14:05.14 | caphuso | doub: maybe not for you, definitely not for me, but for other people |
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| 14:05.26 | floyd_n_milan | ok.... |
| 14:05.29 | carbon60 | This is pretty off-topic, but maybe someone knows the solution. |
| 14:05.33 | marty | floyd_n_milan: for instance for cds, they say most people only need the 1st 3 or 4 |
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| 14:05.53 | caphuso | doub: and you're also having several severely wrong assumptions. e.g. software doesn't need to be udev aware |
| 14:05.55 | floyd_n_milan | well, i needed the first 5 :P |
| 14:05.57 | marty | floyd_n_milan: if you need more you probably can then go straight to the net |
| 14:06.05 | floyd_n_milan | yeah... |
| 14:06.06 | rossi | hey I want to use gnustep on my 133 mhz but the problem is I cannot boot from cd and I dunno have a linux atm to make the boot disks |
| 14:06.12 | rossi | anyone can help me? |
| 14:06.19 | caphuso | doub: all software cares about is the existance of a /dev entry. if it sits on a static /dev or on one managed by udev doesn't matter |
| 14:06.21 | rossi | I have heart of rawrite |
| 14:06.36 | doub | caphuso: not all software, but software dealing with creating /dev entries do |
| 14:06.41 | rossi | I only can use that with the win95 /98 start discs |
| 14:06.43 | asg | rossi: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/ (might help) |
| 14:06.52 | IDC | i am trying to install "apache ",but it always try to install "apache2-utils", even i try "apt-get install apache-utils",same,it still wants to install "apache2-utils",any idea ? |
| 14:07.23 | carbon60 | I have a pair of Dell PowerEdge SC420 servers that I've setup with RAID1 roots on their SATA drives. When testing the RAID setup, I booted the system with the first SATA drive unplugged. The system's BIOS complains and wants someone to acknowledge this by pressing F1. Is this going to happen if one of the drives dies on boot? Is there a work-around? |
| 14:07.43 | asg | IDC: just remove and purge apache2-utils |
| 14:07.55 | caphuso | doub: there isn't exactly a lot of software doing that |
| 14:08.01 | marty | carbon60: buy an HP ;-) |
| 14:08.02 | IDC | asg, i have done that eariler already |
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| 14:08.11 | carbon60 | marty: I wish. :-P |
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| 14:08.41 | stew | !depends apache-utils |
| 14:08.44 | dpkg | apache-utils: depends on apache2-utils |
| 14:08.47 | doub | caphuso: the problem i have with udev is also that it's based on what appears to me as a bad idea, that is trying to have an automated thing that replaces the working manual thing. to me, an automated stuff should only complement the existing stuff, as automated tends not to work well in every case. udev does just the contrary |
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| 14:08.48 | IDC | pn apache2-utils <none> (none) |
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| 14:09.08 | IDC | stew, yeah,i noticed that,but i don't quite get it |
| 14:09.09 | stew | IDC: dunno why, but apache-utils explicitly depends on apache2-utils |
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| 14:09.25 | clovis | hello, how to enable tapmode on a touchpad? |
| 14:09.25 | IDC | I see |
| 14:09.31 | marty | carbon60: most "enterprise class" BIOS should be able to ignore errors - eg you usually can always ignore a missing keyboard |
| 14:09.36 | clovis | I've tried tpconfig -t 1 |
| 14:09.37 | asg | stew: it's a transitional package. |
| 14:09.43 | clovis | but no good results |
| 14:10.02 | asg | stew: apache-utils has no dependancies so it can be removed. |
| 14:10.22 | carbon60 | marty: No kidding. I couldn't find a spot in the BIOS to change that though, maybe I should check again. This is a really low-end box though. |
| 14:10.23 | stew | oh i see |
| 14:10.31 | stew | IDC: why are you installing apache-utils? |
| 14:10.40 | IDC | i dont |
| 14:10.45 | asg | IDC: so you don't need apache-utils since it doesn't do anything (excpet help to transition to apache2-utils) |
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| 14:11.08 | IDC | but whenever i run 'apt-get apache' it wants to install apache2-utils |
| 14:11.08 | marty | carbon60: is the raid a hardware function? |
| 14:11.09 | stew | !depends apache-common |
| 14:11.11 | dpkg | apache-common: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), perl (>= 5.8.4-2), mime-support, debconf (>= 1.4.22), apache2-utils, sed (>= 4.0.5-1), ucf (>= 1.06), lynx | www-browser |
| 14:11.17 | IDC | apt-get install apache |
| 14:11.29 | carbon60 | marty: No, software raid. |
| 14:11.51 | stew | IDC: looks like you have no choice |
| 14:11.52 | luke234 | Hey *, I wish to install the opensound drivers for an maudio card, how can i find out which current sound driver is installed, so that i can remove them? |
| 14:11.55 | marty | carbon60: ok then i can't blame dell for a poor design |
| 14:11.59 | asg | IDC: then let it install apache2-utils, it won't hurt anything. |
| 14:12.20 | IDC | stew, so if you were me,you would have to do the same right ? i read that from you |
| 14:12.22 | floyd_n_milan | my internet connection has a habit of getting disconnected from time to time... will jigdo work properly? |
| 14:12.31 | stew | IDC: yes |
| 14:12.36 | marty | carbon60: maybe you should look for a cheap hw sata raid controller - it would be able to support this i imagine |
| 14:12.36 | IDC | I see |
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| 14:12.38 | carbon60 | marty: Well, it has a pseudo-hardware RAID1 capability but there are no Linux drivers for it. So it may be smarter in that mode. |
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| 14:12.43 | IDC | fine,thanks :) let me do it |
| 14:12.44 | paulswm | IDC: If you read the package description, you would see why |
| 14:12.54 | floyd_n_milan | ah nvm found the answer |
| 14:12.58 | carbon60 | marty: I'm debating whether it is worth it to call Dell support. |
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| 14:13.11 | marty | carbon60: u can only try |
| 14:13.12 | IDC | paulswm, yea,i should learn to read stuff carefuly :) |
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| 14:13.19 | carbon60 | Yeah. |
| 14:13.37 | marty | gotta go. bye all |
| 14:13.51 | stew | in fact, i need to dist upgrade and get my copy now :) |
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| 14:13.54 | nullset | apt woody->sarge |
| 14:13.55 | apt | i heard woody->sarge is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". |
| 14:13.55 | nullset | dpkg, woody->sarge |
| 14:13.55 | nullset | is it just to change the sources and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 14:13.55 | dpkg | woody->sarge is, like, Then "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes> |
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| 14:14.18 | asg | nullset: follow the instructions that you just had the bots paste to the channel |
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| 14:14.47 | green_earz | carbon60: your test is different than what would happen if the drive when down. the server would keep on running. mdadm would inform you that the drive was down. and when you went on site to install a new drive. you could get pest the prompt problem there. and the server up and run , do copying and setting up |
| 14:15.06 | andax | why do I get loads between 0-2 with 2.4.28, and loads between 10-40 with 2.6.11 on a machine with heavy disk loads? |
| 14:15.08 | stew | apt: no woody->sarge is "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes> |
| 14:15.10 | apt | okay, stew |
| 14:15.15 | paulswm | IDC: It is kind of annoying, though seeing as the package is used by both apaches, to have 'apache2' in the name |
| 14:16.11 | IDC | paulswm, yeah :) it's like that |
| 14:16.18 | clovis | hello, how to enable tapmode on a touchpad? |
| 14:16.29 | stew | clovis: /msg dpkg synaptics |
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| 14:16.45 | simonrvn | trackpad tap on some boxen |
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| 14:16.54 | andax | so is itt possible to _disable_ tap mode? how? :) |
| 14:17.02 | carbon60 | green_earz: I'm thinking that most drive failures happen on a reboot after power failure, etc. |
| 14:17.35 | stew | andax: Option "MaxTapTime" "0" |
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| 14:17.56 | stew | andax: /msg dpkg synaptics ; the website there lists the settings available to you |
| 14:18.12 | paulswm | carbon60: Not in my experience. Mine have all been while running. |
| 14:18.25 | Thanatermesis_ | please, any person have the e16.deb package? (e16.8) |
| 14:18.30 | andax | thanks |
| 14:18.34 | Thanatermesis_ | enlightenment 16.8 |
| 14:18.37 | stew | andax: since i have both trackpoint and touchpad, i have my touchpad doing nothing but scrolling, which i like a lot |
| 14:18.45 | carbon60 | paulswm: Ok, that's a little reassuring. Thanks. |
| 14:19.29 | andax | i always tap on the pad by accident i hate it, but i didn't even think about it was possible to turn that off |
| 14:19.33 | asg | !info enlightenment sid |
| 14:19.35 | dpkg | enlightenment: (The Enlightenment Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.16.7.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 407 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
| 14:19.40 | asg | Thanatermesis_: ^^^ |
| 14:19.45 | asg | Thanatermesis_: that's the newest version |
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| 14:20.19 | Thanatermesis_ | unoficial package as |
| 14:20.20 | Thanatermesis_ | unoficial package asg |
| 14:20.30 | asg | Thanatermesis_: google then |
| 14:20.36 | green_earz | carbon60: yes i can see what could be the problem. you could test the idear. get drive up as raid and cut the power supplie. not a good idear but ??? and see what happens ?? |
| 14:20.45 | asg | Thanatermesis_: or ask #enlightenment |
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| 14:21.12 | carbon60 | Bleh, nasty. |
| 14:21.15 | simonrvn | probably want #e |
| 14:21.19 | green_earz | carbon60: on a could of old drives |
| 14:21.28 | stew | Thanatermesis_: see if there is a wishlist bug filed against the package it might show you where an experimental package is |
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| 14:21.46 | green_earz | carbon60: sorry couple not could |
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| 14:22.18 | carbon60 | Yeah. |
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| 14:22.58 | green_earz | carbon60: long way round but it would put your mind at rest |
| 14:23.31 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 14:23.49 | carbon60 | Thanks for the advice. |
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| 14:23.55 | green_earz | np |
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| 14:26.29 | prock | nice... restarting hald just turned off my computer :) |
| 14:27.47 | FieldySnuts | !blame Phated |
| 14:27.55 | elirips | hi people. i am using a tool to connect to a serial device. if i run as root, everything works fine, as user it doesn't work. i've seen that /dev/ttyS0 has permissions 'crw-rw---- 1 root dialout', so i've added myself to group dialout using 'usermod -G dialout myusername'. still i cannot open the device as user. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 14:28.15 | prock | elirips: have you logged out and logged back in? |
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| 14:28.32 | floyd_n_milan | the DVD ISOs are under 4.7 GB right? i don't have dual layer media |
| 14:28.33 | elirips | prock: no. do i have to do that, to make changes in group-settings work? |
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| 14:28.50 | prock | elirips: yep |
| 14:29.00 | mikeX | Floops, yes |
| 14:29.05 | mikeX | floyd_n_milan, yes |
| 14:29.14 | floyd_n_milan | ok thanks |
| 14:29.18 | elirips | prock: thanks. i thought in linux you can do everything without rebooting / logging in out ;) |
| 14:29.24 | asg | elirips: man newgrp |
| 14:29.26 | mikeX | floyd_n_milan, although there is talk I think for optional dual-media images |
| 14:30.12 | mikeX | elirips, that stands mostly for rebooting (unless you mess with the kernel) |
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| 14:30.36 | elirips | asg: i see.. it is also written in man usermod, but at the very end.. i did not read so far.. :P |
| 14:31.15 | asg | elirips: it is often better to logout to refresh groups but newgrp and su - yourself work in a pinch |
| 14:31.40 | rossi | I have found a dd program for windows |
| 14:31.42 | rossi | great |
| 14:32.49 | mikeX | rossi, http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ |
| 14:33.45 | elirips | asg: thanks. anyway it is still not working, but i get a different error as user now: 'Modem: open(): tcgetattr() failed.' any ideas? |
| 14:34.07 | asg | elirips: does it work as root? |
| 14:34.30 | rossi | well |
| 14:34.32 | elirips | asg: yes |
| 14:34.39 | rossi | I need the floppy/boot.img |
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| 14:34.48 | rossi | and floppy/root.img |
| 14:34.51 | rossi | ,too |
| 14:35.07 | rossi | cause maybe I wanna install debian with fluxbox |
| 14:35.08 | asg | elirips: so it's still a perms error. I haven't used a modem years so I don't know. You might use sudo to grant rights to users. |
| 14:35.51 | rossi | or can I use the gnustep bootdisk? |
| 14:36.01 | mikeX | elirips, what exactly do you want to do ? |
| 14:36.03 | rossi | it is grub |
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| 14:36.43 | rossi | and is it normal that my 133 mhz mainboard does not recognizes any cdrom when booting |
| 14:37.13 | Gathond | rossi: what is a 133 Mhz motherboard? |
| 14:37.19 | mikeX | indeed |
| 14:37.22 | elirips | mikeX: i am trying to connect to my lemps12, some kind of educational hardware that has a motorola hc12 cpu on it. as root i can connect, as user not. |
| 14:37.25 | Gathond | rossi: a motherboard for a 133 Mhz pentium CPU? |
| 14:37.30 | saloxin | rossi: quite normal for old an shitty bios's |
| 14:37.48 | mikeX | elirips, how are you trying to connect? |
| 14:37.51 | Gathond | rossi: in that case I would say yes, a bios from that time probbaly cannot boot from CD |
| 14:37.59 | rossi | gathond yes |
| 14:38.00 | saloxin | rossi: you could install sbm - smart boot manager - on a floopy - and boot cdrom from that |
| 14:38.00 | paxl | How can we reinstall an installed package ( IE Xfree ?? ) |
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| 14:38.26 | rossi | I took that image grub-0.95-i386-pc+sbootmgr.ext2fs.img |
| 14:38.36 | saloxin | paxl: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 - is almost what you asked for |
| 14:38.37 | rossi | and wrote it with dd for win |
| 14:38.42 | ildegar | paxl, apt-get install --reinstall foo |
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| 14:38.55 | rossi | under windows in a dos prompt |
| 14:39.01 | rossi | should that work? |
| 14:39.12 | elirips | mikeX: using a programm called 'kl12modem', i did not find anything else that is abe to communicate with a motorola based system. |
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| 14:39.24 | paxl | nop this is a reinstall taht I want.. I installed xorg over it ( this was an newbie mistake I know ) |
| 14:39.29 | SDFH_Linux | hi guys |
| 14:39.31 | mikeX | elirips, oh i see |
| 14:39.32 | andax | where should I start looking if i changed the kernel from 2.4.28 to 2.6.11 and I'm getting seriously high loads ? |
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| 14:39.44 | SDFH_Linux | is there a deb server so i can apt-get gnome 2.10? |
| 14:40.15 | elephantman | How can i add a new line to a file like : echo 'newline' > file |
| 14:40.23 | rossi | grub-0.95-i386-pc+sbootmgr.ext2fs.img <<--- I took it from the gnustep site I want to use it for booting gnustep and for installing debian with fluxbox on my 133 mhz it sould do aight? |
| 14:40.27 | HeatHawk | Could anyone help me with drive mapping and Lilo? |
| 14:40.27 | elephantman | But this is wrong cause its replacing previous ones |
| 14:40.27 | saloxin | elephantman: >> is append |
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| 14:40.32 | andax | echo stuff >> file |
| 14:40.33 | elirips | mikeX: well, as long as it works as root... it's not the best way, but i guess i'll just do those exercisec as root. it's a wonder anyway this thing works with linux :) |
| 14:40.34 | elephantman | saloxin: thanx a lot |
| 14:40.38 | HeatHawk | I would use grub it it doesnt like my harddrive setup |
| 14:40.51 | HeatHawk | *but it |
| 14:40.55 | saloxin | :) |
| 14:40.55 | mikeX | elirips, well you could try sudo as was suggested |
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| 14:41.36 | elirips | mikeX: is it a bit differcence in using sudo, or just doing a 'su' in the konsole and then start the programm? |
| 14:41.48 | elirips | mikeX: sorry, i mean 'big' difference |
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| 14:42.22 | saloxin | elirips: with sudo you can give specific rights to users - with su they get all the rights |
| 14:42.26 | mikeX | elirips, yes, you only have to provide the users password, not root's.. but if you are the only one using the system, not that different |
| 14:42.57 | lindi- | elirips: sudo also does logging, that is very helpful even if you are the only user |
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| 14:43.15 | elirips | mikeX: okay, thanks for the info. i'm going to have a look at it.. but first gotta finish this exercise. hope i still got some time left afterwards. |
| 14:43.50 | elirips | anyway, thanks everybody for helping me! :) |
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| 14:44.08 | SDFH_Linux | is there a deb server so i can apt-get gnome 2.10? |
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| 14:45.19 | asg | SDFH_Linux: look for Jordi's blog on planet.debian.org for 2.10 info |
| 14:45.28 | plugwash | whats the metapackage for installing x on sarge |
| 14:45.29 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 14:45.33 | SDFH_Linux | thanks asg |
| 14:45.37 | asg | plugwash: x-window-system-core |
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| 14:46.42 | mikeX | plugwash, or x-window-system for a bit more bloat : ) |
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| 14:49.42 | paxl | Is there a way to make apt-get reinstall every package of my distribution ? |
| 14:49.48 | asg | !reinstall |
| 14:49.48 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
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| 14:51.15 | rossi | sorry but anyone can tell me where I can find the floppy/boot.img floppy/root.img and floppy/cd-drivers.img |
| 14:51.27 | rossi | on my debian cds ? |
| 14:51.37 | quittt | how do I mix sounds? |
| 14:51.41 | asg | rossi: check the installation guide (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 14:51.48 | quittt | I want to listen to music and do other things in Linux |
| 14:51.53 | quittt | but it doesnt let me to do that!! |
| 14:52.08 | reagent | quittt: use DMIX... what soundcard do you have? |
| 14:52.17 | quittt | cmedia |
| 14:52.25 | mikeX | quittt, use a sound server |
| 14:52.39 | Gathond | quittt: unless it is a laptop I would buy an sb live card |
| 14:53.02 | quittt | Gathond, I am broken... |
| 14:53.08 | paxl | is there a way to make him ignore the package missing ? |
| 14:53.23 | Gathond | quittt: they cost almost nothing iirc, in the 20$ range |
| 14:53.33 | asg | paxl: what do you mean by 'package missing'? |
| 14:53.43 | quittt | Gathond, in my country it does |
| 14:53.44 | paxl | package that arent in the tree at this time ? |
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| 14:53.56 | asg | paxl: that will only reinstall packages that you have installed or on hold |
| 14:54.11 | paxl | like ther is 20 package that are not in the tree.. so he say he can reinstall becasue he can't download. them |
| 14:54.20 | paxl | so I want to make them don't reinstall |
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| 14:54.42 | asg | paxl: are you running a mixed woody/sarge|sid system? |
| 14:54.43 | Gathond | quittt: then either dmix or a sound server as have already been suggested |
| 14:55.00 | paxl | yeah.. but package are comming from external repository |
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| 14:55.28 | asg | paxl: then you'll have to generate a list of packages that are borken and 'grep -v' them out of the above pipeline |
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| 14:55.53 | quittt | Gathond, how do I use dmix? |
| 14:55.57 | jethro | asg: I saw you try to kill %1 me yesterday ! ;) |
| 14:56.06 | Gathond | quittt: dont know, never used it :) |
| 14:56.13 | mikeX | quittt, /msg dpkg dmix |
| 14:56.16 | jethro | murderer! |
| 14:56.16 | Gathond | quittt: I just use an sblive card and OSS |
| 14:56.23 | paxl | oki8 |
| 14:56.37 | asg | jethro: heh, that was after stew, I think, fg'd you |
| 14:56.44 | jethro | :) |
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| 14:58.04 | asg | paxl: you might also play with dpkg --get-selections ; dpkg --set-selections (man dpkg for more info) |
| 14:58.12 | mikeX | quittt, if you decide not to use it however here is a list of common sound servers: arts, esound, jack |
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| 15:00.01 | rossi | grub-0.95-i386-pc+sbootmgr.ext2fs.img <<-- anyone can help me please I only have some more mins access to this computer at univerity than it is closed here -- I have written that image on floppy disc with dd for windows should that work for booting debian and installing it on my 133 mhz ( it is for booting gnustep from cdrom ) |
| 15:01.05 | stew | asg: i did what? |
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| 15:02.12 | quittt | I want to configure CMI8738 with dmix |
| 15:02.21 | paxl | asg: Why do it Abort ? ( this is exacly what apt-get install give me when it should be the time to anser yes ? |
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| 15:04.14 | jethro | stew: that was petemc actually, not you |
| 15:04.30 | simonrvn | even after an attempted bind with a certain dn, the search resulted in "no such object (32)", and yet the person with this issue insisted that the dn existed. ... |
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| 15:04.44 | nullvoid | I just register in snort, I had modified the oinkmaster.conf for the url param as requested! and I have the oink code, where I should put this? |
| 15:04.51 | simonrvn | and i asked him are you sure it exists? |
| 15:04.56 | simonrvn | twice |
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| 15:05.49 | simonrvn | reading the oinkmaster docs would be first place i'd look... |
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| 15:07.39 | asg | stew: my mistake, it was petemc. |
| 15:08.16 | asg | paxl: you are using non-official external repositories. What exact error does it paste? |
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| 15:09.45 | paxl | asg: I don't have any error.. i made a cat package | xargs ... |
| 15:09.49 | nullvoid | simonrvn: I had read the docs, but don't see where to put the oink code |
| 15:10.02 | asg | paxl: sorry, type the whole command you used. |
| 15:10.19 | paxl | cat packages | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
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| 15:10.35 | paxl | where packages is a text file with all package |
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| 15:10.41 | paxl | on my system to be reinstalled |
| 15:10.59 | bonez39 | help find |
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| 15:11.06 | asg | paxl: are they listed one package per line? |
| 15:11.20 | Apage43 | Yayz gtk works again |
| 15:11.20 | asg | paxl: try using -n 1 as an option to xargs |
| 15:11.34 | bonez39 | how does one search for a file based upon a string in the file name? |
| 15:11.41 | asg | bonez39: apt-file search foo |
| 15:11.48 | simonrvn | nullvoid: check the README.Debian? |
| 15:11.52 | simonrvn | checked* |
| 15:11.53 | si|vercat | I have this old laptop, and I'm wondering about differences in pcmcia-versions |
| 15:12.01 | jethro | bonez39: on your filesystem? |
| 15:12.05 | si|vercat | types |
| 15:12.12 | paxl | still aborting.. but on each package this time |
| 15:12.16 | httpdss | how do i get the list of installed packages which arent required by any oth the other installed packages ?? |
| 15:12.18 | si|vercat | what is pcmcia type 2/3? |
| 15:12.32 | paxl | asg: I have to go out.. I'll be back.. will look at this l8ter on |
| 15:12.49 | httpdss | s/oth/of/g |
| 15:12.57 | asg | httpdss: deborphan |
| 15:13.06 | httpdss | thx |
| 15:13.30 | bonez39 | jethro: yeah, on my debian file system.. |
| 15:14.05 | jethro | bonez39: use the "find" command, man find look at -name, -iname, -regex |
| 15:14.09 | jethro | bonez39: and -iregex too |
| 15:14.17 | bonez39 | asg: that necessitates 'apt-get install aptfile first, eh? |
| 15:14.21 | asg | bonez39: yes |
| 15:14.27 | asg | bonez39: or apt-file, rather |
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| 15:14.40 | jethro | bonez39: apt-file help you find which package does a given file belong to |
| 15:14.49 | si|vercat | and what is pc-card? |
| 15:15.17 | bonez39 | jethro: oh, then apt-file is not what I need..I wrote three letters...regarding the same person, but to different recipients...and with those differences in the name of each letter... |
| 15:15.40 | jethro | bonez39: then I think you want to use the find command :) |
| 15:15.51 | asg | bonez39: sorry, I misunderstood your intent. |
| 15:17.29 | quittt | !dmix |
| 15:17.29 | dpkg | i guess dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
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| 15:20.57 | peaceyall | hi all |
| 15:21.18 | rwimn | my first travel to here |
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| 15:21.25 | bonez39 | asg: not to worry |
| 15:21.52 | peaceyall | i have a 32 mb nokia n-gage memory card , how can i mount it , it is detected as /dev/sda . What is the filesystem type? |
| 15:22.02 | asg | !usb storage |
| 15:22.07 | asg | !usb-storage |
| 15:22.07 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 15:22.31 | peaceyall | dpkg it doenst have a partion table |
| 15:22.47 | asg | peaceyall: anything show up in /var/log/syslog? |
| 15:22.47 | mikeX | peaceyall, dpkg is a bot |
| 15:22.56 | peaceyall | oh :/ |
| 15:22.57 | streuner_ | dpkg, what are you? |
| 15:22.57 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 15:22.59 | peaceyall | ill check |
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| 15:23.20 | streuner_ | !listauth Fred |
| 15:23.21 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'Fred' (2): tell kink you ;; wert is you. |
| 15:23.30 | streuner_ | ravenbird, forget wert is you |
| 15:23.37 | ravenbird | i forgot wert is you, streuner_ |
| 15:23.55 | madmax | guys i got a img file.. its a bootalbe cd.. i want to burn it so that it is bootable.. how? |
| 15:24.05 | streuner_ | just burn it |
| 15:24.07 | jethro | madmax: cdrecord |
| 15:24.08 | andax | madmax, www.k3b.org |
| 15:24.13 | madmax | ok |
| 15:24.16 | madmax | thx |
| 15:24.53 | streuner_ | ravenbird, forget tell kink you |
| 15:24.53 | ravenbird | streuner_: i didn't have anything called 'tell kink you' to forget |
| 15:25.18 | streuner_ | Where is greycat? |
| 15:25.28 | asg | streuner_: hasn't been around since yesterday |
| 15:25.42 | peaceyall | asg , it sas when i try to mount it as a vfat , it sas that it can't read superblock |
| 15:25.49 | streuner_ | asg: yep, wondering why he wasn't here yesterday |
| 15:25.57 | asg | streuner_: he was probably working |
| 15:25.59 | andax | thats because its not vfat |
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| 15:26.28 | asg | peaceyall: it may never have been formatted. |
| 15:26.32 | orionis | hi. |
| 15:26.39 | peaceyall | asg, if i put it into my windows system , it works but when i right click it sas its a raw filesystem |
| 15:26.41 | quittt | !dmix |
| 15:26.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 15:26.43 | asg | streuner_: he was on irc, just not in #debian |
| 15:26.47 | peaceyall | hwo do i mount a RAW filesystem |
| 15:26.48 | quittt | how do I use dmix to mix OSS and ALSA? |
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| 15:26.58 | mikeX | quittt, follow the links |
| 15:26.58 | asg | peaceyall: does windows show any data on it? |
| 15:27.02 | peaceyall | ya |
| 15:27.06 | mikeX | peaceyall, then fdisk /dev/sda |
| 15:27.09 | peaceyall | everything thats on it |
| 15:27.10 | peaceyall | ok |
| 15:27.18 | mikeX | peaceyall, oops no! |
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| 15:27.23 | peaceyall | lol |
| 15:27.27 | mikeX | peaceyall, if it has data on it don't |
| 15:27.33 | peaceyall | ok |
| 15:27.33 | peaceyall | :/ |
| 15:27.41 | peaceyall | well how do i mount a raw filesystem? |
| 15:27.44 | asg | peaceyall: does fdisk -l /dev/sda list any partitions? |
| 15:27.49 | peaceyall | no |
| 15:27.50 | peaceyall | it sas |
| 15:27.54 | peaceyall | unable to reas /dev/sda |
| 15:28.12 | peaceyall | read* |
| 15:28.16 | streuner_ | USB? |
| 15:28.17 | peaceyall | actually |
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| 15:28.21 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 15:28.22 | peaceyall | no it doesnt show anything |
| 15:28.22 | peaceyall | :/ |
| 15:28.27 | streuner_ | !enter |
| 15:28.28 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 15:28.36 | asg | peaceyall: and you added usb-storage and sd_mod modules? |
| 15:28.38 | peaceyall | no not USB , i put it in my card reader |
| 15:28.40 | peaceyall | ya |
| 15:28.44 | simonrvn | @listauth Fred |
| 15:28.46 | ravenbird | factoid author list by 'Fred' (3): wert is you #DEL# ;; tell kink you #DEL# ;; shyska :. |
| 15:28.57 | simonrvn | @forget shyska |
| 15:28.57 | ravenbird | i didn't have anything called 'shyska' to forget, simonrvn |
| 15:28.58 | quittt | mikeX, if found out how to mix alsa programs but no with OSS... |
| 15:29.19 | solemnwarning | im doing some resarch on differant mtas |
| 15:29.30 | peaceyall | asg what do i do? |
| 15:29.38 | solemnwarning | does any1 know which is overall more secure out of postfix and sendmail? |
| 15:29.43 | streuner_ | asg: dpkg -l hotplug |
| 15:29.44 | floyd_n_milan | is it possible to make a DVD from the Debian CDs? |
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| 15:29.58 | asg | solemnwarning: postfix is most certainly more secure than sendmail |
| 15:30.08 | solemnwarning | k |
| 15:30.09 | asg | solemnwarning: however, configuration errors can make the former less secure |
| 15:30.14 | streuner_ | peaceyall: dpkg -l hotplug |
| 15:30.21 | peaceyall | oh ok |
| 15:30.23 | solemnwarning | what about qmail and postfix? |
| 15:30.26 | peaceyall | dpkg -l hotplug |
| 15:30.26 | dpkg | ii hotplug 3.7-4 peaceyall's private stamp collection |
| 15:30.32 | simonrvn | @listauth Fred |
| 15:30.32 | ravenbird | factoid author list by 'Fred' (3): wert is you #DEL# ;; tell kink you #DEL# ;; shyska : #DEL#. |
| 15:30.35 | streuner_ | haha |
| 15:30.37 | peaceyall | :/ |
| 15:30.50 | peaceyall | ok... |
| 15:30.51 | streuner_ | peaceyall: no, in a shell of your box |
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| 15:30.54 | asg | solemnwarning: qmail is similar in architecture but more secure than postfix since it doesn't rely on certain libc calls which may be compromised. |
| 15:30.56 | peaceyall | oh ok |
| 15:31.04 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 15:31.23 | oKtosiTe | I am an advanced computer user who wants to pick up a programming language, I just don't know which one to pick, any hints? |
| 15:31.32 | peaceyall | ii hotplug 0.0.20040329-1 Linux Hotplug Scripts |
| 15:31.33 | asg | oKtosiTe: C is always a good one |
| 15:31.35 | peaceyall | thats what i got |
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| 15:31.54 | asg | oKtosiTe: if you are into system administration, shell, Perl, and Python are other good choices. |
| 15:32.02 | jez | oKtosiTe: PHP |
| 15:32.03 | streuner_ | peaceyall: and you running a official kernel-image, what does 'uname -a' say? |
| 15:32.03 | oKtosiTe | asg, what's the advantage of c, and what's the difference between c and c++? |
| 15:32.08 | peaceyall | yes i am |
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| 15:32.21 | streuner_ | peaceyall: uname -a |
| 15:32.25 | peaceyall | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 15:32.28 | asg | oKtosiTe: C++ is an OOP hack on top of C and generally confusing. C is light and simple |
| 15:32.28 | andax | after upgrading the kernel from 2.4.18 to 2.6.11 a sata software-raid0 block has slowed to a speed of a snail, from around 50Mb/sec to 100k/sec with 100 simultaneous users. whats going on???? |
| 15:32.30 | madmax | andax, how to burn a *.img file in k3b? |
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| 15:32.55 | asg | oKtosiTe: you might consult #c for their impressions of c++ also |
| 15:32.57 | streuner_ | peaceyall: what does cat /proc/scsi/scsi say (only 2 lines) |
| 15:32.59 | Gavrila | asg: I wouldn't define c++ an hack, neither it being confusing |
| 15:33.02 | solemnwarning | is it true qmail has a sendmail binary that will go in the same dir as the sendmail 1 and be used the same way? |
| 15:33.09 | oKtosiTe | asg, I know basic shell scripting, but I want to move in a direction that allows me to write gtk and win32 programs... |
| 15:33.11 | zamolxes | oKtosiTe, langauges are just tools .. just learn any language for starters. once you know programming, you'll see it's easy to switch from one language to another if you need to |
| 15:33.17 | asg | Gavrila: it's a matter of perception, of course. |
| 15:33.18 | peaceyall | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.19 | peaceyall | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.23 | jethro | oKtosiTe: go for c then |
| 15:33.33 | asg | oKtosiTe: start with python then move to C/C++ |
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| 15:33.46 | jogla | start wirh perl :p |
| 15:33.54 | andax | madmax there is a menu for burning iso files :) |
| 15:33.55 | streuner_ | peaceyall: mount -t vfat /dev/sda(1) /mnt |
| 15:33.58 | Gavrila | asg: but a little misleading for someone who doesn't know much about these things |
| 15:34.05 | andax | use the mouse |
| 15:34.10 | asg | Gavrila: agreed, starting with C before C++ is a huge help. |
| 15:34.30 | peaceyall | /dev/sda1 doesnt exist i go |
| 15:34.34 | madmax | andax, i must be blind.. where? |
| 15:34.43 | streuner_ | peaceyall: and sda |
| 15:34.47 | streuner_ | peaceyall: ? |
| 15:35.13 | oKtosiTe | asg, very well, python it is then. know any good starting point? |
| 15:35.15 | andax | madmax, i don't have it installed here but i'm sure it can burn image files i did that a lot of times |
| 15:35.20 | peaceyall | if i do sda it sas , cant read superblock |
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| 15:35.43 | plugwash | wtf |
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| 15:36.04 | plugwash | why the hell does a fresh sarge install with kdm give me "root logins are not allowed" |
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| 15:36.16 | streuner_ | peaceyall: /j #flood |
| 15:36.20 | peaceyall | ok |
| 15:36.28 | jethro | plugwash: because you never want to login as root |
| 15:36.31 | madmax | andax, found it :D |
| 15:36.36 | Gavrila | sg: ehehe not to be contradictory, but I don't think so. Learning to code object oriented si quite different than coding with an imperative language like C |
| 15:36.46 | oKtosiTe | asg, can you perhaps give me a clue of which packages I may need for learning purposes? |
| 15:36.47 | Gavrila | that was for asg |
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| 15:37.28 | entheon | what's the latest debian? sarge? |
| 15:37.36 | entheon | and which kernels come with it? |
| 15:37.39 | Gavrila | oKtosiTe: why don't you start from www.python.org? Anyway an object oriented programming survey would be nice to read :) |
| 15:37.41 | entheon | does 2.6 come with sarge? |
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| 15:37.44 | groton | Hello all. I compiled a linux kernel 2.6.8 using the Debian way, but i get an error when issuing the command "grub-install /dev/hda", that says "/dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." Any hint? |
| 15:37.47 | oKtosiTe | Gavrila, so where do you think I should start then? |
| 15:37.47 | jethro | entheon: latest stable is woody, and kernels are 2.2.20 and 2.4.18 |
| 15:37.50 | imka | hi |
| 15:37.52 | rwimn | is there some chinese here,i met a problem on debian system ,but ,it's about lumaqq |
| 15:37.55 | streuner_ | entheon: if you have to ask use sarge, for the second question yes |
| 15:37.56 | oKtosiTe | Gavrila, oops |
| 15:37.57 | entheon | jethro, yeah not the latest stable |
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| 15:38.02 | zamolxes | Gavrila, i still think that .. programming languages, programming paradigms, whatever .. are just tools. if you got basic programming skills and know how to project your ideeas into code, a switch between languages/paradigms is trivial. |
| 15:38.03 | jethro | entheon: what streuner_ said |
| 15:38.12 | entheon | ok |
| 15:38.20 | entheon | i should only need one CD yes no? |
| 15:38.21 | imka | after sarge goes stable, sid will remain unstable and etch will come into play, right? |
| 15:38.23 | entheon | i mean there's like 7 |
| 15:38.31 | plugwash | imka yeah |
| 15:38.34 | entheon | but i should be able to get all the software i need/want through apt right? |
| 15:38.41 | plugwash | etch will become the new testing |
| 15:38.42 | rwimn | maybe,i am ask a wrong question at a wront time |
| 15:38.46 | rwimn | sorry~~ |
| 15:38.46 | jethro | entheon: if you have decent bandwidth, get a netinst cd |
| 15:38.51 | oKtosiTe | entheon, if you have a decent net connection on the box you will install on, get the netinstall cd |
| 15:38.52 | imka | plugwash, thanks |
| 15:38.53 | jethro | !d-i entheon |
| 15:38.54 | dpkg | entheon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:38.57 | entheon | jethro, i do have decent bandwidth |
| 15:39.04 | Gavrila | zamolxes: yes but saying taht learning to code in an imperative way is helpful to learn to code object oriented, to me it's false |
| 15:39.20 | Gavrila | oKtosiTe: surely www.python.org it's a good start |
| 15:39.21 | jethro | entheon: read what dpkg said |
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| 15:39.45 | Gavrila | just inform yourself about object oriented programming as a way to see things |
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| 15:41.18 | entheon | ok after getting the netinst cd |
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| 15:41.23 | asg | oKtosiTe: also, install the python-doc package (which has a tutorial and comprehensive library reference.) |
| 15:41.26 | entheon | how do i upg debian to sarge? |
| 15:41.39 | thingfish | hehe entheon... |
| 15:41.49 | greatjosh | I just tried installing sarge on a Dell Inspiron 600m (netinst CD image downloaded yesterday). The problem is that Linux reports the ethernet link is down, and I can't figure out how to bring the link up. |
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| 15:41.49 | entheon | thingfish, sup |
| 15:41.53 | thingfish | naughty naughty |
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| 15:41.56 | scar` | I would like to reconfigure the configuration file for kernel compilation. I want to do this via make menuconfig. but how can I load the existing config of the previously compiled kernel? (2.4.30 for both) |
| 15:41.58 | entheon | thingfish, what? |
| 15:42.05 | entheon | thingfish, that i'm not using Fedora? |
| 15:42.17 | thingfish | !d-i entheon |
| 15:42.18 | dpkg | entheon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:42.19 | entheon | thingfish, fedora is 4 CD's and i gave mine away to someone who didn't have highspeed |
| 15:42.33 | nevyn | scar`: cp /boot/config-.... |
| 15:42.39 | thingfish | entheon: glad to see you trying Debian. |
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| 15:43.00 | anhi | ive got a problem: i created a disk-backup (dd if=/dev/hda1 bs=1k conv=sync,noerror | gzip -c | ssh -c blowfish user@hostname "dd of=filename.gz bs=1k") on another box and now tried to restore it again (gunzip -c < filename.gz | ssh -c blowfish root@deadhost "dd of=/dev/hda1 bs=1k conv=sync,noerror"). the transfer (dd) quit with no more space left on device, but its the same HD. what can i do? |
| 15:43.02 | thingfish | entheon: use that link, get debian-installer, it will install sarge for you. |
| 15:43.16 | scar` | nevyn, and how do I load it into make menuconfig? |
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| 15:43.36 | mtnman | how can i find out the filesystem type for a floppy diskette? (tried -t vfat and -t msdos, to no avail) |
| 15:43.53 | simonrvn | file -s /dev/fd0 |
| 15:43.59 | entheon | thingfish, get debian-installer ? |
| 15:44.00 | marcelo_maia | @locator latino festa no ape |
| 15:44.06 | rwimn | mtnman, i think fdisk -l will do |
| 15:44.14 | thingfish | entheon: yes, if you're wanting to install sarge. |
| 15:44.27 | entheon | nm |
| 15:44.31 | entheon | that IS the sarge image |
| 15:44.32 | entheon | hehehe |
| 15:44.44 | thingfish | entheon: yep |
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| 15:45.21 | nevyn | scar`: copy it to .config in the linux directory |
| 15:45.25 | mtnman | rwimn: thanks, i got back "Disk /dev/fd0u1440 doesn't contain a valid partition table" |
| 15:45.31 | pyter_brazil | hey peple! |
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| 15:45.55 | simonrvn | mtnman: file -s /dev/fd0 |
| 15:45.59 | rwimn | it's what i want |
| 15:46.27 | pyter_brazil | how install metisse in my woody ? |
| 15:46.30 | rwimn | mtnman, are you sure,it is working well? |
| 15:46.46 | mtnman | simonrvn: "/dev/fd0: POSIX tar archive". can this be mounted? |
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| 15:46.48 | zamolxes | Gavrila, uh, well that's just .. structure, abstraction.. the first step is to learn shape your thoughts into code. simple algorythms, simple language constructs. i must agree that an imperative language is easier to comprehend. Objectual paradigms can then be understood in a matter of minutes - well hours for the hard of head |
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| 15:47.20 | quittt | !dmix |
| 15:47.20 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 15:47.53 | scar` | nevyn, and then just run make menuconfig? and it has all the options loaded the current kernel is stacked with? |
| 15:47.56 | simonrvn | mtnman: hmm, says it's a tarball effectively. mounted? try cramfs or romfs or something *shrug*. no idea otherwise |
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| 15:48.07 | asg | pyter_brazil: what is metisse? |
| 15:48.15 | mtnman | simonrvn: okay, thanks. |
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| 15:48.30 | davFr | hi! |
| 15:48.30 | asg | quittt: you can /msg the bot and get the same effect |
| 15:48.32 | pyter_brazil | asg is a window manager 3D |
| 15:48.48 | asg | pyter_brazil: it isn't in debian so you'll have to download a tarball and compile it yourself. |
| 15:49.33 | pyter_brazil | asg and install to apt ? have in ? |
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| 15:50.04 | jez | pyter_brazil: just a tip: if you're going to compile and install software from source you might want to use checkinstall. type 'checkinstall' instead of 'make install' and it'll make a debian package and install that so you can easily remove it when you need to. |
| 15:50.16 | davFr | is there any benchmark comparing amd64 port vs x86 port of Sarge on an Athlon64 machine ? thanks |
| 15:50.20 | kerframil | mtnman: you might try untarring it directly |
| 15:50.23 | asg | pyter_brazil: no, just stick it in /usr/local/ (or use dh-make to attempt to automatically create a deb from the tarball.) |
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| 15:51.06 | xanaxx | hi |
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| 15:53.25 | appaji | !hi |
| 15:53.25 | dpkg | hello, appaji |
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| 15:56.33 | lucox | i'm making a deb package from the program that i compiled to some PREFIX ... and from this PREFIX dir i'm making a deb package ... how can i compile the program that won't have 'absolute paths of PREFFIX' in his binaries ? ... |
| 15:56.57 | asg | lucox: dh-make ; read the new maintainer guide (/msg dpkg mg) |
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| 15:57.07 | lucox | oki ... |
| 15:57.31 | groton | i compiled the kernel 2.6.8. Now when i run it i get a kernel panic: "please append a correct "root=" boot option". The same options does work for the other two 2.4 kernels i compiled yesterday, but they boot along a initrd file. any hint? |
| 15:57.57 | lucox | asg : thanks i will check it |
| 15:58.02 | asg | lucox: you're welcome |
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| 15:58.12 | lucox | :) |
| 15:58.18 | lucox | today the 2nd time :) |
| 15:58.24 | saloxin | groton: forgot support for ide or somesuch along the way. doublecheck your ide options |
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| 15:58.28 | reagent | groton: did you provide a correct root= boot option? |
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| 15:58.48 | groton | yes, the root= option is eight, because it works with other 2 kernel i compiled recently. |
| 15:58.53 | groton | s/eight/right |
| 15:59.18 | simonrvn | asg, mr. patience |
| 15:59.21 | rwimn | groton, STFW |
| 15:59.27 | groton | saloxin: ah, maybe it could be possible. |
| 15:59.42 | asg | simonrvn: I'm on holiday ;) |
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| 15:59.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 16:07.47 | streuner_ | apt, test |
| 16:07.48 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
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| 16:09.08 | b00 | hahaha |
| 16:09.11 | b00 | apt, sup |
| 16:09.12 | apt | Noodlebot: i'm fine. you? |
| 16:09.27 | asg | ~literal sup |
| 16:09.28 | apt | "sup" is "<reply> Noodlebot: i'm fine. you?" |
| 16:09.50 | asg | ~sup =~ s/Noodlebot/$1/ |
| 16:09.50 | apt | asg: OK |
| 16:09.55 | asg | apt, sup |
| 16:09.56 | apt | $1: i'm fine. you? |
| 16:09.59 | asg | bah |
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| 16:10.50 | phaedral | mornin' |
| 16:11.02 | ciaron | how do i install the sun jdk in debian so it appears on the path etc? |
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| 16:11.13 | asg | ~sup =~ s/$1/$user/ |
| 16:11.13 | apt | OK, asg |
| 16:11.17 | asg | ~sup |
| 16:11.18 | apt | ~asg: i'm fine. you? |
| 16:11.21 | bob2 | same as you install any silly proprietary software |
| 16:11.31 | valdyn | !tell ciaron about java-package |
| 16:11.33 | bob2 | into /usr/local/blah/, then add it to your $PATH |
| 16:11.52 | PerfDave | Oh bum, anybody know anything about a kernel module version mismatch bug in Sarge? I can't find anything in the BTS. |
| 16:12.05 | xanaxx | who here tried "Smart", the new package manager ? http://smartpm ? it seems it's better than apt-get to resolve dependancy problems or broken packages.. |
| 16:12.23 | groton | sahadev: i havent tryed it yet, but i guess that i selected the "IDE support" as a Module: instead i should include it directly in the kernel. now i give it a try. |
| 16:12.41 | groton | i meant that message for saloxin :) |
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| 16:13.27 | jhave | Hi |
| 16:13.27 | positrix | groton: damn buggy autocomplete ;) |
| 16:13.27 | jhave | How do i make a nice grub |
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| 16:13.40 | asg | jhave: #grub |
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| 16:14.18 | valdyn | xanaxx: its not "apt-get" that is so great in debian, its the huge repository that includes complete dependency information for every single package, no "package manager" can do that. |
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| 16:14.59 | PerfDave | More to the point, it's the QA on those package repositories which keeps them all working together nicely. |
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| 16:15.28 | xanaxx | valdyn : smart is 100% compatible with apt-get... it's maintained by the guy who made the ATP-RPM port and Synaptic |
| 16:15.33 | phaedral | valdyn: and that thes dependencies are taken seriously by the dev community |
| 16:15.43 | jhave | hmm |
| 16:15.48 | phaedral | PerfDave said it better |
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| 16:17.07 | caphuso | a package management tool better than apt-get? |
| 16:17.23 | asg | caphuso: a box cutter perhaps |
| 16:17.36 | valdyn | !info smartpm |
| 16:17.40 | peaceyall | i am trying to mount a nokia n-gage memory card , but if i try to mount it as vfat it doesnt work , just sas cant read superblock, whats wrong? |
| 16:17.41 | dpkg | smartpm: (An alternative package manager that works with dpkg/rpm), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.29.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 235 kB, Installed size: 1564 kB |
| 16:17.43 | caphuso | how was it made, 100 monkeys typing for a week and compiling the result? |
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| 16:17.59 | valdyn | !info smartpm sarge |
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| 16:18.06 | dpkg | smartpm: (An alternative package manager that works with dpkg/rpm), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.29.2-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 235 kB, Installed size: 1564 kB |
| 16:18.27 | xanaxx | according to the README page from http://smartpm.org, it can solve problems apt-get can't.. |
| 16:18.42 | caphuso | xanaxx: almost anything can solve problems apt-get can't |
| 16:18.57 | IDC | I have a question ..will ask tomorrow,Thanks for helps in the day,good night :) |
| 16:18.58 | caphuso | that's really nothing to be proud of |
| 16:19.04 | lucox | asg: i read the guide - but NO answer for my question |
| 16:19.06 | valdyn | xanaxx: so can aptitude and dselect, not new or secret that there is dependencies that apt-get fails to resolve |
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| 16:19.26 | PerfDave | Trouble is, that things that solve problems that apt-get can't, usually do so by guessing which can cause problems. |
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| 16:19.46 | valdyn | PerfDave: ah, i wasnt aware of that.. |
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| 16:19.51 | caphuso | PerfDave: apt-get is what causes by problems by guessing |
| 16:19.57 | lucox | asg: please can u read my question one more time |
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| 16:20.22 | caphuso | if it can't find a solution right away, it basically randomly chooses packages to remove or install |
| 16:20.28 | PerfDave | caphuso: Nah, that's aptitude. |
| 16:20.39 | asg | lucox: you said you'd installed some stuff in a PREFIX but didn't want that prefix to be in the final deployment. That's how debian packages are built. |
| 16:21.13 | PerfDave | Hmm, nv is noticably slower than nvidia for usual desktop operations. |
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| 16:21.36 | valdyn | damn, nothing in the bts about smartpm, no one uses it i guess |
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| 16:21.52 | groton | saloxin: it worked, thanks :) |
| 16:21.56 | caphuso | PerfDave: aptitude has its problems, right. but you get aptitude to remove half of your system without actually telling it to |
| 16:22.13 | PerfDave | caphuso: I've never got apt-get to do that. |
| 16:22.25 | caphuso | PerfDave: it's quite easy |
| 16:22.31 | lucox | asg: yes it is so, but i didn't find solution for my problem ... there is no configuring with PREFIX in the guide but editing the Makefile (in my case is very long) and i think these both solutions are the same ... don't know about the problem detailly ? |
| 16:22.35 | PerfDave | caphuso: *shrug* You clearly have a special gift. |
| 16:22.42 | caphuso | PerfDave: shuffling around complicated development packages normally does it |
| 16:22.46 | doub | xanaxx: the smartpm.org is even trying to cheat, creating a single frame just to be able to hide the adress bar. sounds like a spoofer's attitude |
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| 16:23.37 | asg | lucox: if there is only a makefile, you'll have to edit it. If it uses autoconf, the configure --prefix=foo works |
| 16:23.40 | xanaxx | doub : well, i'm not the developper of smartpm.. i just wanted you to know about it .. if you didn't already |
| 16:23.48 | caphuso | PerfDave: like installing the kde libs, removing them in favour of the gnome ones, changing back, every time installing different versions of several smaller libraries (stuff like libpng-dev or such) |
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| 16:24.44 | caphuso | PerfDave: eventually you'll get to a point where apt-get gets really confused, because somewhere deep down in the dependancy tree of the packages you try to install now is a conflict with something you have already installed, and then all bets are off |
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| 16:24.50 | valdyn | xanaxx: looks kinda neat, ill play w/ it |
| 16:24.54 | lucox | asg: there is only configure and then are some Makefiles created with it = i think this is autoconf ... |
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| 16:25.49 | lucox | asg : but i think, then when i "make", the 'absolute paths' of PREFIX will save to the final program binaries |
| 16:26.17 | xanaxx | valdyn : it's the Case Studies from the Smart's official page's readme page that made me want to try it too :) |
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| 16:26.53 | enyc | hrrm |
| 16:27.00 | smhar_ | i see 50-80 fpr in glxgears. is this ok? |
| 16:27.09 | dvs | smhar_: hell no |
| 16:27.23 | enyc | I can't get my xfree86 [woody/4.1.0] to run 320x240... on "S3virge" driver |
| 16:27.26 | enyc | darned thing... |
| 16:27.32 | valdyn | smhar_: sounds like vesa |
| 16:27.40 | ciaron | valdyn: k tried java-package but it aborts towards the end with "cannot create regular file sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0+update03_i386.deb': Permission denied" |
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| 16:27.49 | smhar_ | valdyn, what to do? |
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| 16:28.00 | valdyn | ciaron: do as root or use fakeroot |
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| 16:28.17 | valdyn | smhar_: no idea, i have no information |
| 16:28.19 | enyc | Is it normal to find that the X server says "clock 20mhz -- [something]" -- i.e. doesn't want to run clocks less than 20mhz ?? |
| 16:28.30 | ciaron | valdyn: i was using fakeroot, it won't let me run it as root |
| 16:28.45 | lucox | asg: yes the package is made with autoconf & automake as the majority of packages ... |
| 16:28.48 | enyc | I can satisfy the requirement of clock over that though, using non-doublescan, but it still says "bad clock/interlace/doublescan" |
| 16:28.57 | valdyn | ciaron: cd to a directory where you have write access |
| 16:29.04 | ciaron | valdyn: its my home dir |
| 16:29.08 | valdyn | ciaron: why would it not let you run it as root? |
| 16:29.11 | smhar_ | valdyn, what information do you need? other than my card is nviada |
| 16:29.16 | enyc | ciason/valdyn: I think you need to create/extract the deb however you are.. then , seperately isntall that as r00t [?] |
| 16:29.36 | valdyn | smhar_: which nvidia card? |
| 16:29.38 | smhar_ | valdyn, but I don't know what driver is installed in sarge |
| 16:29.40 | ciaron | valdyn: it says su to non priv user and use fakeroot to avoid the install script modifying /etc |
| 16:29.43 | lucox | asg: so what things sould i do, except of using PREFIX when configuring ... and then building package from this PREFIX |
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| 16:29.50 | smhar_ | valdyn, tnt2 |
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| 16:30.58 | valdyn | smhar_: umm, i dont know if there is any X server that provides 3D support for that card |
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| 16:31.05 | valdyn | smhar_: you could try /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 16:31.20 | groton | smhar_: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 16:31.35 | PI314 | hello guys, how can i get bash_completion to run by default every time i start a shell, without having to manually start it |
| 16:31.42 | gravity | tnt2 is ooold... but I don't recall any NVidia cards supported by DRI |
| 16:31.57 | caphuso | PI314: . /etc/bash_completion in your .bashrc |
| 16:32.08 | valdyn | smhar_: www.nvidia.com can tell you if that card is supported by nvidias driver, but to install *dont* use nvidia.com but /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 16:32.14 | lucox | asg: this program uses the paths from PREFIX in his xml configs and binaries too ... |
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| 16:32.50 | valdyn | ciaron: no idea what permission the problem is, maybe if you told us the whole error message that would help |
| 16:33.02 | ciaron | that is the whole error message |
| 16:33.04 | smhar_ | thanks valdyn |
| 16:33.06 | PerfDave | Oh, phew, I've fixed my nvidia problem. Had to modprobe -r nvidia and then reinstall it. |
| 16:33.30 | PI314 | caphuso, is there a specail syntax when i add it, or just write it at the end of the file |
| 16:33.40 | caphuso | PI314: no, yes |
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| 16:34.05 | PI314 | thanks |
| 16:34.36 | PI314 | caphuso, it worked thanks |
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| 16:37.02 | PI314 | and if i wanna export the http_proxy do i add it to the .bashrc too |
| 16:37.08 | lucox | so i ask one more time, maybe someone other will answer :) ... i'm making a deb package from the program that i compiled to some PREFIX ... and from this PREFIX dir i'm making a deb package ... how can i compile the program that won't have 'absolute paths of PREFFIX' in his binaries ? ... |
| 16:37.31 | positrix | caphuso: thanks as well (was just about to ask the same question as PI314) |
| 16:38.11 | DavidS | could anyone sponser a t-p-u NMU of request-tracker3.4, if I prepare the patch? There are two outstanding i18n issues (wrong charset for hu and new de translation) which would be good to have in sarge |
| 16:38.30 | gravity | DavidS: Wrong chan. Try #debian-devel |
| 16:38.42 | DavidS | gravity: thanks |
| 16:38.48 | gartt | This is kind of a trivial question, but how would I have something wait for x # of seconds/minutesbefore performing a cmd on the cli? |
| 16:39.06 | js_ | gartt: sleep 10; cmd |
| 16:39.12 | gartt | thanks a lot |
| 16:39.13 | js_ | gartt: waits for 10 seconds |
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| 16:43.23 | mikeX | Ar|stote|is, kane /msg dpkg apt as poume |
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| 16:46.20 | valdyn | js_: apt-cache show atd |
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| 16:47.23 | valdyn | gartt: apt-cache show atd |
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| 16:48.24 | valdyn | ciaron: i reread.. you do not have permission to write that file. |
| 16:48.59 | nu0b | i have a question if a have in cron a job that runs every 5 min and that command takes more then 5 min ! the next at 10 will wait for the first to finish and then start or it stars in paralel,or intrerups the first! can anybody explain???? |
| 16:49.07 | ciaron | valdyn: i deleted it all and started again, works now, bit wierd, perms were fine i'm sure. cheers anyway |
| 16:49.22 | valdyn | nu0b: it wont wait |
| 16:49.48 | nu0b | so what will do what is the rule for cron? |
| 16:50.17 | valdyn | nu0b: eh? cron runs jobs at predetermined times. nothing that cron can do about incomplete jobs. |
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| 16:51.08 | valdyn | nu0b: if you want to avoid running multiple jobs at a time, then you could create a script that reacts in whatever way if its already being run ( or still being run ) |
| 16:51.20 | nu0b | i mean if the first job don't finish and the second job at 10 is the same job what will happen? |
| 16:51.36 | valdyn | nu0b: they will both run |
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| 16:51.50 | nomed^ | hi |
| 16:51.52 | nu0b | ok thx valdyn |
| 16:52.12 | plugwash | anyone got any reccomendations for imap servers? |
| 16:52.19 | nomed^ | how can i check the fonts i'm using in aterm? |
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| 16:57.02 | badblody | how can i do internet access to a chroot? |
| 16:57.46 | lindi- | badblody: chroot does not affect networking in any way |
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| 17:01.48 | Ketchup | hello |
| 17:02.06 | nullset | When mail is sent out of exim how is the hostname determined? is it the reverse dns of the ethernet or does it read it from some file? |
| 17:02.11 | Ketchup | i can't configure my network on colinux with windows |
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| 17:02.31 | Ketchup | i edited the 3 files, interfaces, hosts and resolve.conf |
| 17:02.45 | Ketchup | but colinux only pings itself and can't ping my win32 box |
| 17:04.58 | positrix | how do i get colouts in the bash prompt? |
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| 17:05.20 | positrix | colours even |
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| 17:07.01 | green_earz | Ketchup: do you know what your local net work subnet and broadcast is. and use etherconf to set up your debian net work info |
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| 17:08.34 | chaser_ | hi, anyway to completly disable the access to some hard drives even if you have root access? |
| 17:09.02 | PerfDave | chaser_: Unplug them? |
| 17:09.08 | chaser_ | :P |
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| 17:09.32 | xoz | chaser_: explain your reasons? |
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| 17:10.45 | ApTek | A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. |
| 17:10.46 | ApTek | Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? |
| 17:10.46 | ApTek | A: Top-posting. |
| 17:10.52 | ApTek | Oh crap. I'm sorry. |
| 17:10.53 | gravity | chaser_: You could encrypt the filesystem on that drive |
| 17:11.03 | chaser_ | we need to have two completly differents systems installed in the same machine, every one on its hard drive. with no possibility to transfer/read data between those differents drives |
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| 17:11.57 | chaser_ | if i disable in the bios one of them nothing happens i can mount the disabled drive with root access.. |
| 17:12.21 | PerfDave | chaser_: You could possibly do it using grsec or something. |
| 17:12.23 | positrix | get a hardware switch (same effect as unplugging them) |
| 17:13.13 | chaser_ | ok, looking some info about grsec. |
| 17:14.27 | asuffield | no software mechanism is an effective defence against root |
| 17:14.38 | xoz | chaser_: it should be done as a policy because anybody who has bad intention and has the physical access can basically access the hardware unless you have some hardware switch or encryption. |
| 17:14.54 | PerfDave | asuffield: Uhm, grsec and selinux can limit the access that even root has. |
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| 17:15.09 | gravity | Yeah, I was thinking some weird selinux stuff may be required |
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| 17:15.12 | asuffield | PerfDave: or you can switch the box off for the same effect |
| 17:15.13 | modestmouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.14 | chaser_ | grsec is for 2.4 only.. |
| 17:15.17 | modestmouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.20 | modestmouse | any ideas guys? |
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| 17:15.54 | asuffield | PerfDave: if it's root you're screwed. if it's some non-root user that's just *called* root, that doesn't count |
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| 17:16.09 | modestmouse | ????/ |
| 17:16.12 | asuffield | there's no way to defend against a real root user |
| 17:16.20 | modestmouse | anyone |
| 17:16.31 | FieldySnuts | acls. |
| 17:16.34 | chx_ | I have a few packages that are held back. How could I clean those up? |
| 17:16.36 | xoz | superuser is there for a reason. it is not called superuser if it has no *super cow* power |
| 17:16.58 | PerfDave | asuffield: Uhm, I suggest you read up on it ;) |
| 17:17.07 | asuffield | PerfDave: grow up |
| 17:17.13 | plugwash | i just installed uw-imapd on my debian system but outlook doesn't seem to want to connect to it |
| 17:17.22 | Ketchup | green_earz: i use ifconfig: how can i know what's my broadcast ip? |
| 17:17.25 | PerfDave | asuffield: I'm not the one making inane statements about something concerning which I know nothing. |
| 17:17.33 | asuffield | PerfDave: actually, you are |
| 17:17.36 | PerfDave | chx_: What are you trying to do which is giving you held-back packages. |
| 17:17.40 | PerfDave | asuffield: Grow up. |
| 17:17.47 | xoz | somebody at the top must set the acl policy... so it's like chicken and egg problem. |
| 17:17.49 | tarzeau | anyone to play #bub-n-bros ? |
| 17:17.58 | chaser_ | mm, could be a solution to give sudo perms to those users with are going to admin the system but avoid the use of mount? |
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| 17:17.59 | gravity | I do remember Russel Coker trumpeting that even root in SELinux could be restricted |
| 17:18.01 | chx_ | PerfDave: I want to tell apt not to upgrade them for now and that's it |
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| 17:18.14 | xoz | chaser_: sudo can be used |
| 17:18.28 | asuffield | gravity: he just changed the name and uid of the root user |
| 17:18.30 | xoz | chaser_: but you cannot disable root power |
| 17:18.30 | gravity | chx_: Use aptitude or dselect and use the "=" key |
| 17:18.37 | gravity | asuffield: Ah, interesting |
| 17:18.41 | chaser_ | mm, i see.. |
| 17:18.44 | PerfDave | chx_: /msg dpkg hold |
| 17:18.47 | asuffield | chaser_: yes, "don't give them root" is probably what you want to do |
| 17:19.02 | chaser_ | so the best woithout became a paranoic is to look for a mechanichal switch.. |
| 17:19.04 | gravity | Yeah, not giving them root is definitely the best option |
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| 17:19.30 | asuffield | gravity: ultimately you have to have *some* user that can admin the box, or you've got a useless box. changing its name doesn't really accomplish much |
| 17:19.32 | chaser_ | with no ALL in sudoers isnt'it? |
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| 17:19.48 | xoz | a lock for physical access to the machine |
| 17:19.50 | FieldySnuts | !irritate chaser_ |
| 17:19.51 | dpkg | chaser_: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my kanotix werkz !!!! |
| 17:19.56 | gravity | asuffield: Yeah, I didn't know how SELinux accomplished what Russel claimed. I was confused for just that reason. |
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| 17:20.44 | asuffield | gravity: he just removed all access privileged from uid 0 and gave them to something else |
| 17:20.48 | asuffield | s/ged/ges/ |
| 17:20.50 | modestmouse | can anyone help me |
| 17:20.59 | FieldySnuts | if we knew what the problem was, maybe |
| 17:21.04 | modestmouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.06 | modestmouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.11 | gurubie | I've "pined" several packs due to critical bug reports. Now, how do I best upgrade them and know when and how to un-pin them? |
| 17:21.16 | jethro | !pal modestmouse |
| 17:21.21 | gravity | Interesting |
| 17:21.24 | FieldySnuts | give fstab the real device, not those silly pointers like /dev/root or whatever (/dev2? wtf?) |
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| 17:21.37 | gurubie | ...In Sid. |
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| 17:21.53 | goron_ | modestmouse: I have never seen that device lol |
| 17:21.58 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: gravity That's not what SELinux does. It's all about *how* you get root. Get a copy of the ORA book it will make all clear. |
| 17:22.03 | gravity | gurubie: Install apt-listbugs and use aptitude or dselect to mark and unmark packages for install as you want them |
| 17:22.20 | asuffield | scarynetworkguy: umm, selinux has got *nothing* to do with authentication mechanisms |
| 17:22.49 | asuffield | it's pure access control, nothing more |
| 17:23.07 | xoz | acl |
| 17:23.10 | gravity | PolicyPolicyPolicy |
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| 17:23.17 | FieldySnuts | which is what i mentioned in the beginning, not that anyone notice |
| 17:23.18 | FieldySnuts | d |
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| 17:24.20 | gurubie | gravity, yes apt-listbugs told me what was broken. Help taught me to press "p" to pin them and go on with the other upgrades. I've been using synaptic. So can Synaptic not "unpin" them? Thank you for the tips. |
| 17:24.21 | xoz | and policy is what makes debian great... apt and dpkg ... package management in debian are just offshoots of sane policy |
| 17:25.11 | goron_ | I was compiling some stuff on another computer (100Mb network), but the CPU at that place is waiting for 95% because of the amounts of output it generates. It seems X has no buffering. Isn't this a bit silly design? |
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| 17:25.19 | gravity | gurubie: Yeah. I don't know the exact key to hit in synaptic though, but in aptitude it's + |
| 17:25.43 | gravity | gurubie: I recommend reading whatever docs synaptic has. Your package management frontend is a major tool, and knowing it well is really worth your time to learn |
| 17:26.05 | xoz | goron_: what do you mean? |
| 17:26.06 | goron_ | I mean ssh... in stead of X. X is irrelevantn. |
| 17:26.08 | gravity | xoz: Well, you're right, but I was talking about how SELinux is basically just about setting policy :-) |
| 17:26.32 | goron_ | xoz: I mean, that I think compilation should not have to wait on the slow connection. |
| 17:26.35 | gurubie | ...oh so I just manually select them and that overrides the pining? I was just wondering how you guys do it, esp with Synaptic. |
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| 17:26.52 | azol | .учше |
| 17:26.55 | PerfDave | goron_: Uhm, you mean you were waiting for the output of the compiler? What compiler were you using? |
| 17:27.00 | asuffield | 'policy' is more formally 'mandatory access control', as opposed to 'discretionary access control' |
| 17:27.03 | goron_ | xoz: If I would compile locally the CPU would be used 100%. |
| 17:27.08 | goron_ | PerfDave: gcc |
| 17:27.08 | asuffield | selinux is the former; file permissions are the latter |
| 17:27.36 | ir0n-e | skeet skeet skeet! |
| 17:27.44 | PerfDave | goron_: So you're SSHing into a box and running gcc there? |
| 17:27.46 | ir0n-e | helo |
| 17:27.49 | goron_ | PerfDave: I could ofcourse give it a flag to be quite. |
| 17:27.53 | FieldySnuts | RCPT TO |
| 17:27.54 | goron_ | PerfDave: yes, I was. |
| 17:28.09 | xoz | goron_: now it makes clear what you meant |
| 17:28.10 | goron_ | PerfDave: But I killed it and went go there physically. |
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| 17:28.32 | goron_ | xoz: Yes, the X wasn't making things clearer. :( |
| 17:28.42 | gravity | Man, I love vimoutliner |
| 17:29.14 | lindi- | goron_: use gnu screen |
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| 17:29.51 | PerfDave | goron_: Use screen, or just use distcc and compile locally ;) |
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| 17:30.05 | goron_ | lindi-: I know screen (started a few times) and got sessions working. But I don't see how that would help me. What can screen mean for me? |
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| 17:30.38 | helix | gravity: I never got it to work... |
| 17:30.43 | lindi- | goron_: if you detach it then compiler output won't be transferred over network and thus won't slow it down |
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| 17:30.54 | FieldySnuts | if you frequently want more than one console up, without having to log in for each one, screen is useful. If you could also use sessions which you can detach from, and re-attach later, then screen is useful |
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| 17:31.13 | FieldySnuts | not a day goes by without me using it |
| 17:31.18 | gravity | helix: Really? Did you try opening a file with a .otl suffix? |
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| 17:31.23 | gravity | helix: That did it for me |
| 17:31.24 | helix | yeah |
| 17:31.33 | helz | hi, where do i get the log format for snort |
| 17:31.50 | FieldySnuts | in the code? in the man pages? in it's docs? |
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| 17:32.12 | gravity | helix: Hrm. You should try it again. It's really a wonderful little script set. |
| 17:32.21 | goron_ | lindi-: And where should I run it? On the other side of the network(i.e. not local)? |
| 17:32.22 | helz | it's not there |
| 17:32.31 | helix | gravity: you just installed it and did a vi foo.otl ... and then what? |
| 17:32.34 | lindi- | goron_: on remote machine then |
| 17:32.35 | gravity | helix: It's got a python script to convert the outline to pretty-printed html too, which is very nice |
| 17:32.41 | modestmouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.42 | modestmouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.44 | modestmouse | what should id o |
| 17:32.45 | gravity | helix: Not much. It sytax highlights by level |
| 17:32.45 | goron_ | lindi-: Ow, yes, then I could see output later. |
| 17:32.48 | helix | I swear, this is one of the packages where I've actually read the docs and still it won't work |
| 17:32.51 | modestmouse | it worked fine |
| 17:32.53 | modestmouse | then i rebooted |
| 17:32.54 | gravity | helix: It's got some nice folding macros. |
| 17:32.55 | modestmouse | and it doesnt work |
| 17:32.56 | modestmouse | :( |
| 17:33.02 | FieldySnuts | modestmouse: like I said before (I won't repeat this again), give fstab real devices, not those symbolic or whatever ones. and what the heck is /dev2? |
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| 17:33.05 | phaedral | was looking to update my netgear firmware; instructions assume hyperterminal; grrr; am i gonna be able to do this via my eth0 at all? |
| 17:33.10 | gravity | helix: It's basically very simple and very quick |
| 17:33.13 | goron_ | lindi-: That's the nicer way than (compile stuff command) > somefile. |
| 17:33.18 | helix | must be too simple for me... |
| 17:33.26 | modestmouse | FieldySnuts: yeah, but how am i supposed to do that? |
| 17:33.29 | FieldySnuts | phaedral: shrug. win hardware. get something else. |
| 17:33.32 | modestmouse | boot from a CD? |
| 17:33.39 | FieldySnuts | modestmouse: i guess |
| 17:33.44 | modestmouse | .... |
| 17:33.58 | gravity | helix: It really doesn't look a whole lot different from normal vim |
| 17:33.58 | phaedral | FieldySnuts: i'm feeling the compassion ;) |
| 17:34.12 | helix | gravity: so how does it help you outline? |
| 17:34.15 | FieldySnuts | phaedral: or you could continue to waste your time with such hardware, your call |
| 17:34.17 | helix | maybe I'm expecting too much :) |
| 17:34.33 | phaedral | time i've got; money's the limitation |
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| 17:34.54 | phaedral | i should probably just be happy as is; the router's letting ssh in |
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| 17:35.01 | phaedral | that's all i really needed |
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| 17:35.21 | gravity | helix: 1) Highlighting by indentation level 2) Easy promotion and de-promotion of levels 3) Automatic folds are set up for you 4) pretty-print to HTML for notes |
| 17:35.32 | helix | ah, I see |
| 17:35.36 | gravity | helix: Other than that, it's just vim. |
| 17:35.42 | helix | I was expecting it to do bulleted lists and stuff |
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| 17:35.53 | gravity | helix: It can do checkboxes now |
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| 17:36.18 | gravity | helix: And I think the new html-ifying script will probably allow that |
| 17:36.18 | HeatHawk | Hey there |
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| 17:36.26 | gravity | Once its written. He's in the process of doing that now I think |
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| 17:39.08 | lunaphyte | how can i rm a file named something like "slapd.log?# ldap server logging" ? |
| 17:39.25 | caphuso | lunaphyte: rm slapd<tab> |
| 17:39.27 | gravity | lunaphyte: You can put it in single quotes, or just use tab completion |
| 17:39.27 | FieldySnuts | with quotes or escapes |
| 17:39.29 | HeatHawk | I have debian sarge on this system, and it has an ide disk and a sata disk. I hav it installed on the sata disl. I just put on a 2.6 kernel and now it wont recognize the ide disk. Im using lilo, i think it just needs a boot option |
| 17:39.42 | FieldySnuts | i'd use the -i flag , so it asks you if you're sure (to get the right file) |
| 17:39.52 | xoz | lunaphyte: rm "sl<tab>" if it contains more alien chars |
| 17:40.08 | dupondje | hi hi, i have a problem, i have a server (not at home) but sometimes link dies for 2 houres or smth, but when link comes back, the site doesn't get a new ip tru dhcp, how can i fix it still try's to get an ip so it gets back after line was down ? |
| 17:40.10 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: !! |
| 17:40.11 | ravenbird | somebody said ! was what my sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not |
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| 17:40.21 | lunaphyte | tried singles quotes, tab completion doesn't work because i have slapd.log |
| 17:40.21 | FieldySnuts | hrm thought that was the I am not your damn csh prompt one |
| 17:40.36 | Phated | On dpkg, it is. |
| 17:40.39 | FieldySnuts | ohh |
| 17:41.13 | lunaphyte | tried double quotes too - escaping isn't working either. |
| 17:41.38 | FieldySnuts | if you can't seem to figure out bash's way of doing it, try selecting it in mc and deleting it there |
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| 17:41.40 | Phated | rm -i slapd* ? |
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| 17:41.52 | FieldySnuts | there you go, say no to the file you don't want deleted |
| 17:41.52 | asuffield | rm slapd.log?* |
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| 17:42.05 | FieldySnuts | -i is very important here since you've got similarly named files you wanna keep |
| 17:42.15 | asuffield | not if you get your damn glob right |
| 17:42.22 | FieldySnuts | which he won't. |
| 17:42.25 | ralfWORK | wasnt there a package to create j2sdk packages from the zip files you download from sun? |
| 17:42.31 | ralfWORK | !java |
| 17:42.31 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 17:42.40 | caphuso | ralfWORK: /msg dpkg install java |
| 17:42.42 | FieldySnuts | heh run away |
| 17:42.47 | ralfWORK | danke |
| 17:43.02 | lunaphyte | Phated: rm -i - nice call. |
| 17:43.10 | FieldySnuts | hey I said -i first ;( |
| 17:43.15 | Phated | lunaphyte: Which FieldySnuts mentioned some time back. |
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| 17:43.21 | lunaphyte | asuffield: thanks - that worked too. |
| 17:43.28 | Rayen | Hi, which one of these files is the source package : 'xfree86-4.3.0.dfsg.1 xfree86_4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.diff.gz xfree86_4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.dsc xfree86_4.3.0.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz' ? |
| 17:43.32 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) sorry lag |
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| 17:43.41 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 17:43.45 | Kuun-Lann | yo ^^ |m| |
| 17:43.48 | gravity | Rayen: .orig.tar.gz but you want the .diff.gz applied too |
| 17:43.54 | FieldySnuts | Kuun-Lann: huh? |
| 17:43.54 | lunaphyte | FieldySnuts: sorry - missed it in the flurry. thanks |
| 17:43.55 | caphuso | Rayen: 2-4 |
| 17:44.02 | caphuso | i don't know what the first one is |
| 17:44.02 | asuffield | Rayen: all three of those files, but primarily the .dsc |
| 17:44.09 | asuffield | caphuso: that's a directory |
| 17:44.13 | Kuun-Lann | FieldySnuts : oO |
| 17:44.14 | caphuso | asuffield: ah |
| 17:44.15 | gravity | Rayen: dpkg-source -x *dsc |
| 17:44.20 | caphuso | that sounds plausible |
| 17:44.27 | Kuun-Lann | fiberin : something wrong? |
| 17:44.30 | Kuun-Lann | youps sorry |
| 17:44.34 | FieldySnuts | you know I just want a quiet saturday, and these people have to fire up chainsaws and lawn mowers and weed whackers next door... sigh |
| 17:44.41 | asuffield | $package-$version is for directories. $package_$version is for files |
| 17:44.45 | Kuun-Lann | FieldySnuts / ah sorry |
| 17:45.02 | FieldySnuts | !blame the neighbors |
| 17:45.10 | FieldySnuts | haha out of all the random nicks it picks that |
| 17:45.16 | Rayen | gravity, caphuso, asuffield : I can't figure out why I get this error : dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc --- dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory --- dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine --- source packag |
| 17:45.31 | caphuso | Rayen: you're in the wrong directory |
| 17:45.50 | caphuso | Rayen: cd into the one that dpkg -x created and try again |
| 17:46.02 | caphuso | err, dpkg-source -x |
| 17:46.12 | TwistedEmotions | Last night I setup a dual boot system with Windows XP & Debian... and I have 3 HD's how to do I access the 2 HD's that are windows... I just want the MP3's and other data off of them |
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| 17:46.38 | caphuso | TwistedEmotions: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 17:46.47 | asuffield | or maybe ntfs, in read-only mode |
| 17:47.04 | caphuso | asuffield: the factoid says that it applies to ntfs too |
| 17:47.06 | TwistedEmotions | caphuso, thanks |
| 17:47.13 | asuffield | badly named then |
| 17:47.26 | FieldySnuts | very badly |
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| 17:47.41 | caphuso | a lot of things in the db are badly something... |
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| 17:47.53 | caphuso | badly named is of minor impact |
| 17:47.59 | FieldySnuts | well no harm I guess, try to write to ntfs and you'll find out pretty fast you can't |
| 17:48.08 | FieldySnuts | not safely anyway, or reasonably |
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| 17:50.41 | TwistedEmotions | caphuso: ... Errr... that thing didnt give me any info on how to go about it.. I have no /etc/fstab |
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| 17:50.53 | FieldySnuts | you have a pretty screwed system, then. |
| 17:51.09 | caphuso | TwistedEmotions: then you have more important things to worry about |
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| 17:51.44 | TwistedEmotions | caphuso, heh... found it.. weeeeeee |
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| 17:52.31 | FieldySnuts | what's morms mean |
| 17:52.42 | TwistedEmotions | *morphs.. |
| 17:52.47 | FieldySnuts | oh ok |
| 17:52.48 | TwistedEmotions | killed that joke |
| 17:52.52 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
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| 17:55.04 | caphuso | Rayen: don't /msg me |
| 17:55.13 | Rayen | lol :) |
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| 17:55.50 | Rayen | caphuso, i really don't understand how to compile the package |
| 17:56.15 | caphuso | Rayen: why are you compiling it at all? |
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| 17:57.08 | Rayen | caphuso, because I like compiled software |
| 17:57.25 | doub | Rayen: that's what all software is |
| 17:57.28 | Rayen | * I like to get it compiled for my system |
| 17:57.28 | caphuso | Rayen: well, find something more productive to waste your time with |
| 17:57.38 | Rayen | hehe |
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| 17:58.01 | TwistedEmotions | caphuso, Errr.. what was that command again that told me how to load hd's I accidentally closed the tab when trying to copt/paste |
| 17:58.04 | caphuso | Rayen: recompiling X to get the exact same package you get from from your mirror isn't a clever thing to do |
| 17:58.14 | priest | Rayen: have you tried apt-build? |
| 17:58.16 | TwistedEmotions | anyone want to tell me copy paste shortcuts? |
| 17:58.19 | caphuso | TwistedEmotions: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 17:59.10 | caphuso | Rayen: plus, if you don't know how to recompile debian packages, then you also don't know how to prevent it from getting overwritten the next time you run an upgrade |
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| 17:59.33 | Rayen | priest, yes but I get stuck everytime |
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| 17:59.54 | Rayen | caphuso, that's true, but I am willing to learn it :-) |
| 18:00.01 | ikonia | hello debian users |
| 18:00.28 | ikonia | is there anyone in here using the a pure 64bit debian build ? |
| 18:00.31 | gravity | Rayen: If you want to learn how packaging works and such, read the new maintainer's guide |
| 18:00.39 | gravity | Rayen: That'll get you started at least |
| 18:00.48 | poli | ikonia, I tested for a brief period of time a AMD64 |
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| 18:01.00 | doub | !tell ikonia about ask |
| 18:01.03 | priest | Rayen: have you used "apt-get build-dep package-name" before you tried to compile? |
| 18:01.17 | ikonia | doub I've not got a question really |
| 18:01.18 | HeatHawk | I have debian sarge on this system, and it has an ide disk and a sata disk. I hav it installed on the sata disl. I just put on a 2.6 kernel and now it wont recognize the ide disk. Im using lilo, i think it just needs a boot option, ideas? |
| 18:01.24 | HeatHawk | have |
| 18:01.28 | HeatHawk | ** |
| 18:01.33 | ikonia | I'm curious to how someone using the 64bit pure builds are finding it |
| 18:01.34 | ikonia | stable ? |
| 18:01.49 | ikonia | hows package support ? |
| 18:01.50 | ikonia | etc |
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| 18:01.55 | gravity | ikonia: For amd64? |
| 18:01.55 | ikonia | just looking for a few opinions |
| 18:01.59 | gravity | ikonia: Or for ia64? |
| 18:02.15 | ikonia | gravity sorry - amd64 |
| 18:02.16 | cirdan | hey all, can anyone here lend a hand getting my blootbot back on? |
| 18:02.28 | cirdan | i did an upgrade a day or 2 ago |
| 18:02.32 | cirdan | now i can |
| 18:02.37 | gravity | ikonia: I'm not running it, but it's got very good package coverage, and people are generally reporting good things about it |
| 18:02.41 | cirdan | 't get the blootbot to connect |
| 18:02.41 | Rayen | priest, nope i'll give it a try :) |
| 18:03.19 | ikonia | thats interesting to hear |
| 18:03.41 | gravity | ikonia: Further, the amd64 team has announced that they're going to do a full supported sarge release themselves, so if you install it you will get security support from them throughout sarge's lifetime |
| 18:03.41 | ikonia | I'd be curious to if people are using a sarge or sid or even woody 64 build by default |
| 18:03.45 | gravity | Which is very nice |
| 18:04.06 | ikonia | gravity that is impressive |
| 18:04.10 | TwistedEmotions | Err... I want read only access to my windows HD's so... "umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x." Which do I use? |
| 18:04.18 | ikonia | a full support release |
| 18:04.20 | plugwash | hmm iirc the debian security guys agreed to do security for amd64 |
| 18:04.29 | plugwash | and the debian cd guys agreed to do cds for it |
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| 18:04.47 | priest | Rayen: do that. it will install all the dev-files you need to compile the packages you want |
| 18:04.52 | TwistedEmotions | Also I dont change any of this right /dev/partition /mount/point? |
| 18:04.57 | plugwash | but for whatever reason it didn't make it into the official archives |
| 18:05.18 | gravity | plugwash: There are multiple reasons for it not getting in to the official archives |
| 18:05.26 | gravity | It'll get in for etch |
| 18:05.37 | ikonia | gravity when will the amd64 build be supported (roughly) |
| 18:05.51 | gravity | ikonia: It's unofficially supported for sarge already |
| 18:06.13 | ikonia | ahh so it is supported already |
| 18:06.15 | cirdan | hmm, noone can help w/blootbot? :-) |
| 18:06.17 | dupondje | hi hi, i have a problem, i have a server (not at home) but sometimes link dies for 2 houres or smth, but when link comes back, the site doesn't get a new ip tru dhcp, how can i fix it still try's to get an ip so it gets back after line was down ? |
| 18:06.21 | ikonia | I'm guessing it will be made official at some point |
| 18:06.30 | gravity | ikonia: For etch it will be made official |
| 18:06.43 | gravity | Assuming they keep up, which I have no doubt about |
| 18:06.53 | ikonia | ShadowPho etch ? is that the name for 3.1 |
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| 18:07.14 | ikonia | gravity sorry that comment was for you |
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| 18:07.24 | cirdan | next stable after sarge. ikonia |
| 18:07.29 | ikonia | yup so 3.1 |
| 18:07.40 | ikonia | is that still on track for May 20th |
| 18:07.40 | gravity | ikonia: No, sarge is 3.1. Etch doesn't have a number yet. |
| 18:07.45 | gravity | ikonia: 30th |
| 18:07.49 | gravity | And yes, so far |
| 18:07.52 | ikonia | sorry 30th |
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| 18:08.10 | ikonia | so 64bit will be an official platform in etch |
| 18:08.11 | ikonia | good to know |
| 18:08.12 | ikonia | thank you |
| 18:08.19 | gravity | No problem |
| 18:08.31 | ikonia | always nice to get info from the horses mouth |
| 18:08.48 | gravity | Well, I'm not really the horse :-) I don't decide which arches are supported and such :-) |
| 18:08.49 | solemnwarning | in most distros iptables is /etc/init.d/iptables |
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| 18:08.56 | solemnwarning | what is it in debian? |
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| 18:09.14 | gravity | solemnwarning: Same thing |
| 18:09.28 | solemnwarning | it always says it dont exist |
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| 18:09.41 | solemnwarning | on all deb systems ive used |
| 18:09.41 | gravity | heh... /etc/init.d/iptables' warning function is called "have_a_cow_man" :-) |
| 18:09.43 | ikonia | gravity no but seeing as I'm not a debian user at the moment its nice to get it from someone who's "involved" with debian |
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| 18:09.53 | gravity | ikonia: Ah, gotcha |
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| 18:10.05 | solemnwarning | sarge btw |
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| 18:10.49 | gravity | solemnwarning: It exists on my system. Do you have iptables installed? |
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| 18:11.09 | Morvok | dupondje: is the server not getting new IP's or is the DNS server not getting the new IP's for the domain name? |
| 18:11.23 | cirdan | gravity: i have one, but i wrote it myself |
| 18:11.27 | solemnwarning | yeah |
| 18:11.33 | solemnwarning | cos i can add iptables rules |
| 18:11.40 | solemnwarning | but i need to save them |
| 18:11.53 | gravity | hrm |
| 18:11.57 | cirdan | solemnwarning: so use iptables-save |
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| 18:11.59 | cirdan | and -restore |
| 18:12.08 | solemnwarning | -restore? |
| 18:12.13 | cirdan | i set up fresh on each reboot |
| 18:12.17 | cirdan | yes |
| 18:12.20 | cirdan | iptables-restore |
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| 18:12.28 | gravity | Now I can't find where this script came from. That's odd. |
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| 18:12.41 | cirdan | gravity: debian used to provide one |
| 18:12.46 | gravity | cirdan: Ah |
| 18:12.49 | xoz | dupondje: you might need a crontab to monitor if you have a network working and restart /etc/init.d/networking in case it is down. |
| 18:12.57 | solemnwarning | iptables-restore restores rules from save file? |
| 18:13.09 | cirdan | but since so many ppl didnt use it. and all it did was save and restore the state, it was removed |
| 18:13.16 | Atula | hi, how to have quicktime plugin for firefox? |
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| 18:13.28 | cirdan | Atula: get the mplayer plugin |
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| 18:13.45 | Atula | how do I do that? I'm really new to everything |
| 18:14.47 | cirdan | go to www.netim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 18:14.56 | cirdan | ~mplayer |
| 18:14.57 | apt | mplayer is probably read ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html to find the correct sources.list line for your version of Debian. |
| 18:15.09 | cirdan | !botsnack |
| 18:15.09 | dpkg | :), cirdan |
| 18:15.12 | cirdan | `botsnack |
| 18:15.15 | cirdan | ~botsnack |
| 18:15.15 | apt | cirdan: aw, gee |
| 18:15.16 | cirdan | heh |
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| 18:17.14 | madmax | guys i fucked up my debian system with a new kernel.. i use lilo.. when it starts i get 9a 9a 9a... how can i come back into the system and fix lilo and mbr? |
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| 18:17.43 | Mage___ | madmax: boot with a debian cd or a floppy disk ant type rescue root=/dev/xxx |
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| 18:18.09 | madmax | har har |
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| 18:19.40 | close_to_debian | does gnu screen have a window limit |
| 18:19.44 | HeatHawk | I put on the debian 2.6.10-1 (and 11) and in both cases, /dev/hda dosnt show up. I think its a lilo option im missing, ideas? |
| 18:19.51 | FieldySnuts | close_to_debian: way more than you'll ever use |
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| 18:20.03 | close_to_debian | i cannot spawn more than 40 windows |
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| 18:20.15 | FieldySnuts | i've done well over that, dunno |
| 18:20.25 | close_to_debian | i use a different file .screenrc.work |
| 18:21.18 | xoz | HeatHawk: doesn't show up? explain more. |
| 18:21.23 | close_to_debian | it shows ' key: illegal screen number 41.' |
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| 18:21.29 | HeatHawk | /dev/h* arent there |
| 18:21.32 | ralfWORK | anyone know what this means: dpkg: warning, architecture `i686-pc-linux-gnu' not in remapping table ? |
| 18:21.35 | HeatHawk | my harddrive and cdrom didnt show up |
| 18:21.45 | HeatHawk | they were there under 2.4 tho |
| 18:21.55 | EvilSporkMan | is there a reason there isn't an init script for fancontrol (part of lm-sensors)? |
| 18:21.58 | TwistedEmotions | What is a debian progam for p2p mp3's? |
| 18:22.04 | jogla | HeatHawk: is it your own kernel? |
| 18:22.09 | HeatHawk | nope |
| 18:22.13 | jogla | HeatHawk: apt-get install udev? |
| 18:22.13 | HeatHawk | debian stock 2.6.10 |
| 18:22.34 | xoz | HeatHawk: udev? |
| 18:22.36 | HeatHawk | udev is already the newest version. |
| 18:22.46 | jogla | is udev running? |
| 18:22.50 | streuner_ | HeatHawk: sarge? |
| 18:22.53 | close_to_debian | <FieldySnuts>: it shows ' key: illegal screen number 41.' no more windows |
| 18:22.57 | HeatHawk | streuner_, yap |
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| 18:23.10 | FieldySnuts | close_to_debian: I never said that |
| 18:23.18 | FieldySnuts | please don't make stuff up |
| 18:23.42 | caphuso | close_to_debian: yes, there's a hard coded limit |
| 18:24.14 | close_to_debian | caphuso: why do i get this error key: illegal screen number 41.' no more windows |
| 18:24.30 | caphuso | close_to_debian: because you've already created 40 windows |
| 18:24.43 | xoz | HeatHawk: have you edited files in /etc/udev |
| 18:24.54 | close_to_debian | caphuso: so i cannot create more than that |
| 18:24.55 | HeatHawk | xoz, streuner_, jogla ideas? |
| 18:25.00 | HeatHawk | xoz, nope |
| 18:25.22 | caphuso | close_to_debian: exactly |
| 18:25.41 | close_to_debian | caphuso: can i increase the limit |
| 18:25.50 | caphuso | close_to_debian: recompiling |
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| 18:26.15 | EvilSporkMan | is it advisable to use fancontrol in combination with powernowd so as not to run the fan "needlessly"? |
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| 18:26.24 | close_to_debian | caphuso: let me try |
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| 18:26.31 | EvilSporkMan | that's CPU fan, not case fans |
| 18:27.18 | xoz | check if /etc/udev/udev.rules or devfs.rules have proper rules for ide... what does mount command says? |
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| 18:28.06 | xoz | HeatHawk: something like /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ? |
| 18:28.24 | HeatHawk | mount dosnt |
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| 18:28.37 | HeatHawk | and there is no /dev/ide |
| 18:29.11 | close_to_debian | caphuso: how can i specify the limit during ./configure |
| 18:29.34 | EvilSporkMan | is it possible that i could monitor the temperature/fan speed on my video card? |
| 18:30.04 | xoz | HeatHawk: type mount .. what i meant about ide is /devhda* |
| 18:30.12 | xoz | /dev/hd* |
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| 18:30.22 | caphuso | close_to_debian: you can't, AFAIK. you need to hack the config.h |
| 18:30.23 | streuner_ | HeatHawk: what does 'dpkg -l udev | tail -1' say? |
| 18:31.27 | HeatHawk | ii udev 0.056-2 /dev/ management daemon |
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| 18:32.07 | HeatHawk | xoz, nothing, there is no /dev/hd to mount, only disk showing is my sata disk where the install is (that im in right now) |
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| 18:33.07 | xoz | HeatHawk: and you have ide disk in your computer? |
| 18:33.46 | HeatHawk | xoz, yes, i have a 200 gig ide disk and an 80 gig sata disk, my ide cdrom and disk arent showing |
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| 18:35.15 | xoz | HeatHawk: ok. do you have /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ ? |
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| 18:35.32 | HeatHawk | no, like i said /dev/ide isnt there |
| 18:36.18 | xoz | HeatHawk: hm. i must be sleepy. :) |
| 18:37.20 | streuner_ | HeatHawk: so you installing right now via d-i, right? |
| 18:37.29 | xoz | HeatHawk: try MAKEDEV hda in /dev/ |
| 18:37.36 | streuner_ | uhm |
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| 18:38.03 | HeatHawk | streuner_, parden? |
| 18:38.22 | streuner_ | HeatHawk: didn't you unterstand my question? |
| 18:38.53 | HeatHawk | streuner_, no, i didnt |
| 18:38.57 | HeatHawk | im not installing anything |
| 18:39.13 | close_to_debian | cafuego: I have fixed thanks a lot |
| 18:39.13 | streuner_ | HeatHawk: iam little confused, because sarge has no 2.6.10 kernel... |
| 18:39.14 | HeatHawk | xoz, that didnt do anything |
| 18:39.29 | HeatHawk | streuner_, oh, i grabbed it from the sid tree |
| 18:39.29 | streuner_ | HeatHawk: of course not, apt-get remove udev |
| 18:39.36 | streuner_ | oh |
| 18:40.07 | xoz | HeatHawk: hmm. seems that you have to reinstall udev |
| 18:40.20 | HeatHawk | *sigh |
| 18:40.22 | streuner_ | HeatHawk: well, if you mixing those branches you'll get headaches |
| 18:40.25 | HeatHawk | im gonna go try some stuff |
| 18:40.27 | HeatHawk | later |
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| 18:45.14 | waxmop | ok, i put some stuff into ~/.Xdefaults to set xterm fonts and colors, but unless I manually load the file with xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults; the changes aren't applied. any ideas? |
| 18:45.29 | simonrvn | .Xresources |
| 18:46.03 | xoz | waxmop: are you running a dm or startx? |
| 18:46.05 | ralfWORK | hmm |
| 18:46.09 | waxmop | xoz: i'm running gdm |
| 18:46.13 | ralfWORK | it appears make-jpkg doesnt work with java5? |
| 18:46.33 | waxmop | simonrvn: thx. |
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| 18:47.04 | simonrvn | "Pron-admin"? sheesh |
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| 18:47.58 | streuner_ | well, not that unusual nowadays ... ;-) |
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| 18:50.01 | Ketchup | somebody can help with colinux? i want to import files from my win system in my debian home directory |
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| 18:50.46 | Karnaugh | what the hell is with people always asking questions about colinux |
| 18:50.59 | streuner_ | !colinux |
| 18:50.59 | dpkg | colinux is, like, http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
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| 18:52.30 | Anynomous | eric: Grow up! |
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| 18:52.44 | streuner_ | Ketchup: try #samba |
| 18:52.58 | EfaistOs | does a cinelerra pkg exists somewhere ? |
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| 18:53.18 | Karnaugh | [0507 18h52.53] Ignoring HILIGHTS from * [-regexp -pattern colinux] |
| 18:53.20 | Karnaugh | yay |
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| 18:53.27 | lafrance | dpkg: thank you will try it too :) |
| 18:53.28 | dpkg | lafrance: de rien |
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| 18:53.37 | simonrvn | @tell eric -about root |
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| 18:54.00 | Karnaugh | !root |
| 18:54.00 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 18:54.09 | Anynomous | eric: Only people with a small penis irc's as root. |
| 18:54.10 | lafrance | colinux.org |
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| 18:54.19 | lafrance | oops wrong key :( |
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| 18:54.23 | Karnaugh | ok why is that still hilighting me |
| 18:55.05 | Ze` | hi all |
| 18:55.15 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 18:55.17 | streuner_ | Anynomous: uhm, or people who using a knoppix - CD and have no other possibilty to connect to IRC |
| 18:55.37 | Karnaugh | streuner_: knoppix doesnt run as root |
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| 18:55.44 | Karnaugh | it runs as "knoppics" |
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| 18:55.51 | Karnaugh | ugh "knoppix" even |
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| 18:56.21 | Anynomous | streuner_ : YOu irc as the user "knoppix" then. |
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| 18:56.31 | streuner_ | Karnaugh: if you have to install an irc-client you connect that way ;-) |
| 18:56.59 | streuner_ | Anynomous: not if you haven't enough RAM to run X ... ;-) |
| 18:57.02 | Anynomous | streuner_ : I should have said it in a better way, but I was trying to motivate eric to get to his senses. |
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| 18:58.25 | Anynomous | eric: Thanks :) |
| 18:58.32 | eric | ?? |
| 18:58.48 | daffy-pkf | does someone use an asus a7n8x-x motherboard and managed to use the souncard as 5.1? (making the mic or line-in an output for rear speakers), alsa report my card being Nvidia nForce2, chip Realtek ALC650E. I'm on SID |
| 18:58.59 | simonrvn | much better |
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| 18:59.09 | simonrvn | quitted is not a word |
| 18:59.21 | yahalom | anybody here have a really fast dns? |
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| 18:59.31 | hacim | I've got a mouse plugged into my ps2 port, with the psmouse module loaded, it works, but it is very choppy, anyone know how I can fix that? |
| 18:59.32 | simonrvn | why? |
| 19:00.03 | simonrvn | meh |
| 19:00.10 | yahalom | simonrvn, why? me? |
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| 19:00.24 | Anynomous | eric: thanks for creating an ordinary user to irc from. :-) |
| 19:00.28 | simonrvn | nm, i'm going away |
| 19:00.37 | Ze` | I think I have pb with arp, I have no resolution, but when running tcpdump, resolution work, I have no iptables on my laptop, anyone have idea ? |
| 19:00.38 | DuckTales | DuckTales |
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| 19:00.49 | DuckTales | !start a distro war |
| 19:00.49 | dpkg | Rock 0wnz! |
| 19:00.52 | eric | anyone know how to get USB mouse to work? I'm new to debian |
| 19:01.01 | DuckTales | eric plug it in? |
| 19:01.11 | eric | tried that already |
| 19:01.15 | gravity | eric: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 19:01.20 | jbmigel | mine worked |
| 19:01.29 | jbmigel | eric you sarge? |
| 19:01.29 | eric | a friend of mine talk me it might be a hotplug problem.. |
| 19:01.31 | eric | yes |
| 19:01.35 | drac | eric: modprobe usbhid and modprobe mousedev (as root) and your mouse will be at /dev/input/mice (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) |
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| 19:01.57 | eric | x can "see" it, but the mouse doesn't move |
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| 19:02.20 | hacim | anyone know how to fix a choppy ps2 mouse? |
| 19:02.27 | drac | eric: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and choose /dev/input/mice. |
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| 19:02.49 | gravity | hacim: I have that problem with my touchpad, but I simply hold my finger down on the pad and it goes away on its own as the kernel module adjusts |
| 19:02.50 | eric | the touchpad works, but the usb mouse doesn't... |
| 19:02.58 | eric | okies i'll look into /dev/input/mice |
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| 19:03.11 | gravity | eric: Oh, you have to set up X to use multiple devices for the core pointer |
| 19:03.19 | gravity | eric: You'll have to edit your X config file by hand I think |
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| 19:03.29 | foo | Anyone get photoshop 7 working under debian in here by any chance? With crossover x office or something |
| 19:03.30 | gravity | At least, I had to in order to get my touchpad and usb mouse working |
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| 19:03.50 | hacim | gravity: mine is a desktop logitech USB mouse plugged into the serial port (worked on my old computer, just switched motherboards and this started) |
| 19:03.51 | gravity | foo: You'll probably have better luck in #codeweavers or something |
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| 19:04.36 | michael1234 | Is there anyway to tail a log file for a user without having them loginto a box |
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| 19:04.59 | foo | gravity: Thanks |
| 19:05.02 | michael1234 | Eg my helpdesk tails the log but I dont really want them in the server |
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| 19:05.33 | gravity | foo: Good luck |
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| 19:06.04 | jbmigel | is crossover office just a wine port or what? |
| 19:06.35 | stew | yumm, i love port wine |
| 19:06.36 | eric | usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout |
| 19:06.37 | eric | usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=24 (error=-110) |
| 19:06.40 | stew | port wine cheddar too |
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| 19:06.47 | hacim | gravity: plugging in another serial mouse gives same behavior |
| 19:06.50 | gravity | jbmigel: It is wine, but put together nicely by the people who write it |
| 19:06.51 | eric | does this error ring any bell? |
| 19:06.54 | Gathond | jbmigel: derivative is probably more correct, it is a version of wine as I understand it |
| 19:07.00 | gravity | stew: Me too :-) |
| 19:07.01 | jbmigel | wine = is not edible!!! |
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| 19:07.28 | eric | i don't know what "usb_control/bulk_msg: timout" means |
| 19:07.40 | eric | is that a USB problem or? |
| 19:07.52 | waxboy | hello everyone |
| 19:08.27 | jbmigel | ah now i get it, there seems to be alot of business around wine like cedega too |
| 19:08.32 | drac | eric: Try a another kernel.. |
| 19:08.44 | eric | try 2.6 instead of 2.4? |
| 19:08.45 | Anynomous | Try the nvidia kernel :-P |
| 19:08.49 | drac | eric: yep |
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| 19:09.01 | eric | is this problem hard to fix? |
| 19:09.16 | drac | eric: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386, boot, see if problem is gone. |
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| 19:09.42 | eric | okies, i'll try that |
| 19:09.43 | waxboy | anyone know how i can disable the automatic idle logout on a fresh woody install? |
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| 19:10.51 | technos | Oh 2.4.17-2, how I love thee.. |
| 19:10.58 | eric | okies installing the new kernel image right now, thanks drac |
| 19:11.05 | eric | what does this do? |
| 19:11.36 | streuner_ | waxboy: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 19:12.04 | waxboy | streuner_: thanks! |
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| 19:12.20 | mikeX | http://img.pathfinder.gr/CMAN/i/72/0/355-3.jpg |
| 19:13.03 | lafrance | dpkg: who the brain child for that distro colinux ? |
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| 19:15.10 | waxboy | streuner_: upgrading from woody to sarge seems like a drastic measure to fix what is probably a simple configuration detail |
| 19:15.52 | streuner_ | waxboy: according to /topic its a fine way to get the latest software |
| 19:16.18 | PerfDave | Automatic idle logout where? |
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| 19:17.54 | waxboy | perfdave: once i'm logged into gnome, if i go ide for about 20-30 mins everything i had running (kernel recompile and all) gets killed and i'm dumped back to the login |
| 19:18.41 | PerfDave | waxboy: That's not standard behaviour, IME, unless Gnome is doing something weird. |
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| 19:19.15 | streuner_ | sounds like misconfiguration of gdm... |
| 19:19.19 | PerfDave | waxboy: At a guess, your system is trying to go into some kind of powersave and that's killing X. |
| 19:19.36 | streuner_ | waxboy: laptop? |
| 19:19.45 | waxboy | streuner_: yup |
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| 19:19.56 | streuner_ | here we go... |
| 19:20.08 | streuner_ | !apm |
| 19:20.08 | dpkg | hmm... apm is Advanced Power Management. |
| 19:20.09 | manas | Hi! I am on sarge. RTL8139d fast ethernet adapter. 'moprobe 8139too' does not return any errors. However, 'ifup eth0' fails even when the module is loaded. help! |
| 19:20.15 | waxboy | i guess i should gut any power management |
| 19:20.17 | PerfDave | manas: Fails how? |
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| 19:20.32 | PerfDave | waxboy: That'd be a good way to diagnose whether that is your problem ;) |
| 19:20.37 | lafrance | * |
| 19:20.46 | manas | PerfDave, It says interface eth0 unknown |
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| 19:21.15 | PerfDave | manas: Either you have the wrong module, or the wrong interface name. Type "ifconfig -a" to see all interfaces recognised by your kernel. |
| 19:21.43 | manas | does 8139too take any parameters? |
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| 19:21.49 | tabris|away | typically, no. |
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| 19:22.00 | bla4 | hello |
| 19:22.00 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know if there is a FAQ on a easy to read manual for installing programs... ? I need to install RealPlayer... ;P |
| 19:22.02 | bla4 | help ! |
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| 19:22.05 | tabris|away | saying ifup fails... we need more info. |
| 19:22.05 | streuner_ | manas: modinfo <module> |
| 19:22.06 | drac | manas: Load 8139cp too. |
| 19:22.06 | bla4 | how can i quickly ban an ip ? |
| 19:22.15 | bla4 | I have this guy, trying to crack my ssh |
| 19:22.17 | tabris|away | bla4: iptables -I INPUT 1 --src <ip> |
| 19:22.18 | bla4 | sshd |
| 19:22.21 | manas | drac, oh! |
| 19:22.21 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Most software can be installed with apt-get, or comes with its own installation manual. |
| 19:22.27 | streuner_ | manas: edit /etc/modules if needed |
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| 19:22.33 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
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| 19:22.53 | tabris|away | bla4: oops, missed a bit. iptables -I INPUT 1 --src <ip> -j DROP |
| 19:22.55 | Wtn-2-diE | hello...anyone can help me? |
| 19:22.55 | manas | hmm..... I am off to reboot my machine in Sarge. Will be back in a few minutes. |
| 19:22.57 | newbie_ | @manas; /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 19:23.07 | tabris|away | Wtn-2-diE: Don't ask to ask, just ask, preferably politely. Those asking to ask risk axing. |
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| 19:23.24 | deadcat | Wtn-2-diE: not a chance |
| 19:23.30 | Wtn-2-diE | sorry |
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| 19:23.37 | streuner_ | !ask |
| 19:23.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 19:23.46 | Wtn-2-diE | i want to configure my keyboard through a terminal... |
| 19:23.48 | eric | it works!!! thanks everyone, the usb mouse works now! |
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| 19:24.02 | streuner_ | !keymap |
| 19:24.02 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 19:24.02 | Chewie[] | are those daily E17 debs still available anywhere? |
| 19:24.03 | Wtn-2-diE | how can i do it? |
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| 19:24.26 | deadcat | Chewie[]: there never any E17.deb |
| 19:24.33 | bla4 | tabris|away : thanks, i think |
| 19:24.35 | bla4 | it works |
| 19:24.56 | Chewie[] | deadcat: they're referenced here: http://www.enlightenment.org/index.php?session=7215bc8c1a&id=7&select=ePortal |
| 19:25.03 | streuner_ | Wtn-2-diE: read what dpkg told you |
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| 19:25.37 | TwistedEmotions | What directory should I install RealPlayer to? It's default is /home/ash/RealPlayer... |
| 19:25.44 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Wassup man |
| 19:25.57 | Tavy | Anywhere you want, TwistedEmotions ;P Not like it forces you into installing it somewhere. |
| 19:26.04 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up.. xine or mplayer can play real media |
| 19:26.13 | Tavy | That.. too. |
| 19:26.59 | rob_lt | Chewie[], deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/ |
| 19:27.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I wanted realplayer because I cant get my MP3's off of my windows HD's and I need something with freaking streaming audio.. |
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| 19:27.58 | Chewie[] | rob_lt: thanks! |
| 19:28.00 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cant? what fs? vfat or ntfs? |
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| 19:28.49 | iLLf8d | hey all i'm trying to install mysql4.1 and I was curious whats the difference between the mysql root user and the "normal" root user? |
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| 19:29.04 | Varanger2 | hi |
| 19:29.21 | deadcat | iLLf8d: they are both called "root" thats about it |
| 19:29.25 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ntfs... I just dont know how to get to it or open it.. |
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| 19:29.34 | Varanger2 | does someone know any "official" package for unRARing files? |
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| 19:29.46 | deadcat | !ntfs |
| 19:29.46 | dpkg | [ntfs] Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or captive, ... |
| 19:29.46 | Tavy | TwistedEmotions: apt-get install ntfsprogs or something like that. Just google the package. |
| 19:29.46 | Tavy | Or.. that. |
| 19:29.46 | reagent | Varanger2: unrar? |
| 19:29.53 | Varanger2 | yp! |
| 19:29.54 | Varanger2 | yep! |
| 19:29.59 | Tavy | Decompress a .rar file. :\ Can file roller? |
| 19:30.05 | TwistedEmotions | What the fag... this real player doesnt have streaming radio... what a dildo |
| 19:30.29 | rob_lt | Chewie[], are you still here? |
| 19:30.31 | Varanger2 | Tavi: file roller? |
| 19:30.59 | jbmigel | TwistedEmotions you can easily mount your ntfs drive for read only by looking here http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs |
| 19:31.03 | Tavy | Varanger2: A good archiver program. You'd have to look up wheither it has support for rar or not. |
| 19:31.08 | Wtn-2-diE | i didn`t got success here |
| 19:31.18 | deadcat | because realplayer sucks |
| 19:31.56 | Wtn-2-diE | i selected my laguage in a list and the keyboard is still in another one... |
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| 19:33.01 | Wtn-2-diE | what it set up x? |
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| 19:33.31 | jbmigel | TwistedEmotions btw Rhythmbox has streaming radio and is installed in sarge by default also |
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| 19:33.39 | deadcat | Wtn-2-diE: thats for console. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and change it there. |
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| 19:34.09 | streuner_ | Wtn-2-diE: apt-get install localeconf |
| 19:34.12 | Chewie[] | rob_lt: nope. |
| 19:34.36 | Wtn-2-diE | thanks |
| 19:34.39 | deadcat | jbmigel: default as in part of baseinstall? |
| 19:34.54 | PerfDave | deadcat: I doubt it :) |
| 19:35.09 | deadcat | PerfDave: i know. because that sounds silly (= |
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| 19:35.50 | jbmigel | deadcat true it is not in base, it is in gnome then right? |
| 19:36.08 | mana1 | thanks guys, this is manas talking from sarge |
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| 19:36.29 | mana1 | modprobe 8139 cp, pppoeconf, pon is all it took in that sequence |
| 19:36.35 | deadcat | jbmigel: oh. must befrom the list of packages it ask during install. most people just skip that step because it installs way too much junk to the system |
| 19:36.38 | TwistedEmotions | jbmigel, thanks |
| 19:37.11 | PerfDave | Yeah, like Gnome ;) |
| 19:37.33 | deadcat | hehe |
| 19:37.37 | jbmigel | deadcat I did a base install with none of those packages, then later installed X and gnome and now i have it so i think its included in gnome |
| 19:37.54 | mana1 | tnx, me goes... |
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| 19:38.24 | deadcat | jbmigel: probably... 2 of the worst linux software to me are kde and gnome. )=.. damn bastards. |
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| 19:39.02 | smhar | hi again.. |
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| 19:39.41 | jbmigel | deadcat you use xfce or is that too bloated for you too? real men rip out their vid cards and ssh everything you know. |
| 19:39.59 | jez | xfce is quite lovely |
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| 19:40.22 | Tavy | Xfce is nice. ja. |
| 19:40.29 | deadcat | jbmigel: fuck'them. i juse openbox |
| 19:40.38 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 19:40.43 | jez | openbox is nice too, that's my secondary wm :) |
| 19:40.46 | Tavy | Fluxbox. ^^ |
| 19:40.47 | deadcat | Phated: girl. you know it (= |
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| 19:40.50 | ec | :) |
| 19:41.07 | Phated | deadcat: Aye! |
| 19:41.17 | smhar | I am following the howto to install and configure the drivers and kernel modules for nvidia card.. but I am stuck in bus identifier.. I really need some helpul input here |
| 19:41.27 | priest | is xfce like fluxbox? |
| 19:41.33 | marcin | Cze¶c |
| 19:41.35 | Tavy | priest: Not really. |
| 19:41.41 | priest | better? |
| 19:41.46 | deadcat | priest: not even close. |
| 19:41.47 | PerfDave | smhar: Which howto are you following? |
| 19:41.49 | jbmigel | xfce is closer to gnome, uses gtk and stuff... its got a cute mouse. |
| 19:41.52 | Phated | Openbox above all. |
| 19:41.55 | Tavy | Heh.. depends on your description. |
| 19:41.57 | jez | priest: xfce is a de |
| 19:41.57 | cobar_ | is there an apt repository for installing x.org? |
| 19:42.02 | deadcat | priest: xfce.org and fluxbox.org for screenshots |
| 19:42.07 | PerfDave | !topicsmite cobar_ |
| 19:42.07 | smhar | PerfDave, this: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 19:42.08 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cobar_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:42.09 | deadcat | cobar_: ya. for sarge |
| 19:42.20 | PerfDave | smhar: And you're at the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 stage, right? |
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| 19:42.40 | deadcat | cobar_: but dont come crying like a little bitch when things break |
| 19:42.42 | priest | deadcat: i don't need screenshots for flux, i'm runnig it now ;) but i will look at xcfe.org |
| 19:42.58 | [LAC]Hydra | hey, anyone know if there are drivers for the Saitek Gaming keyboard for debian? |
| 19:43.03 | smhar | PerfDave, yes.. and went ok but I need to answer 'all the questions' |
| 19:43.18 | Tavy | [LAC]Hydra: Yes, there are. But no, I dunno where. |
| 19:43.23 | PerfDave | smhar: Does it not tell you that you can leave the bus identifier blank, if you only have one card? |
| 19:43.23 | deadcat | cobar_: but dont come crying like a little bitch when things break(= |
| 19:43.26 | [LAC]Hydra | heh k thanks just wondered |
| 19:43.31 | Tavy | No prob. |
| 19:43.34 | deadcat | priest: flux sucks because it has too much junk and the fucking window dont shade when i scroll my mouse (= |
| 19:43.51 | cobar_ | deadcat: doesn't bother me much, i can fix it if it does |
| 19:44.01 | Tavy | Heh. |
| 19:44.01 | priest | deadcat: have you tried windows xp? :P |
| 19:44.02 | marcin | s± jacy¶ polacy? |
| 19:44.10 | deadcat | cobar_: ok. let me get you the source line |
| 19:44.14 | jbmigel | smhar im not sure about your hardware but my AGP8x BusID reads as "PCI:1:0:0" |
| 19:44.19 | Tavy | priest: Are you insane? ;P |
| 19:44.23 | smhar | PerfDave, I also have a 815 whatever is built in the motherboard.. my nvidia was not autodetected |
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| 19:44.24 | deadcat | priest: its ok (=.. didnt do much for me heheh |
| 19:44.31 | priest | hehe |
| 19:44.38 | Tavy | It got REMOVED very quickly. ^^ |
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| 19:45.08 | deadcat | priest: tell you the truth. all the themes look the goddamn same to me |
| 19:45.17 | cobar_ | deadcat: somebody set me a link to www.debian-desktop.org, so i'm good |
| 19:45.21 | smhar | PerfDave, jbmigel, lspci gives this line: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) |
| 19:45.33 | priest | deadcat: themes to xfce? |
| 19:45.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What is a good VNC Client for debian? |
| 19:45.53 | deadcat | cobar_: #deb http://www.debian-desktop.org/pub/linux/debian/xorg-6.8.2/ sarge main |
| 19:45.59 | cobar_ | deadcat: thx |
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| 19:46.14 | deadcat | priest: no. xp. |
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| 19:46.24 | lindi- | TwistedEmotions: just xvncviewer? |
| 19:46.29 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=135 |
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| 19:46.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: vncviewer. not sure if they have tightvnc though |
| 19:46.41 | TwistedEmotions | just viewer |
| 19:46.43 | smhar | PerfDave, jbmigel, so I should enter 01:00.0? |
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| 19:46.54 | TwistedEmotions | no tight vnc |
| 19:47.00 | deadcat | ah |
| 19:47.07 | paxl | can somoen help me to recuperate a dpkg probleme.. |
| 19:47.09 | paxl | Setting up xbase-clients (4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1) ... |
| 19:47.09 | paxl | xbase-clients postinst warning: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit symbolic link does not exist |
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| 19:47.16 | paxl | how can i solve this ? |
| 19:47.17 | jbmigel | smhar lspci returns the same for me, i think you should put PCI:1:0:0 or leave it blank |
| 19:47.38 | TwistedEmotions | we use RealVNC in windows... |
| 19:47.42 | Tavy | smhar: My xorg.conf nvidia card reads PCI:1:0:0 as well, Enjoy. |
| 19:47.52 | Tavy | TwistedEmotions: TightVNC, h'bout? |
| 19:48.16 | smhar | thanx Tavy jbmigel and PerfDave |
| 19:48.24 | Tavy | << >> Have fun. |
| 19:48.33 | deadcat | i fucked with xorg on my ibook 2-3 times. each time ended up back to xfree and alot of reinstalling X packages. so i am just gonna wait till it comes out in sid (= |
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| 19:48.53 | lindi- | TwistedEmotions: the normal 'xvncviewer' package includes 'tight' encoding nowadays |
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| 19:50.11 | chris | hey |
| 19:50.29 | deadcat | what up chris. havent seen you here in a while |
| 19:50.44 | chris | first time here, i probobly have someone elses nick |
| 19:51.11 | odessa | hello guys ... sometimes when i apt-get or xchat, names will resolve to 1.0.0.0 ... anyone know if this is a problem with my router? |
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| 19:51.33 | deadcat | chris: no. |
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| 19:51.51 | chris | ? |
| 19:51.52 | petemc | odessa: i had that problem with a dlink router |
| 19:52.05 | priest | dlink SUCKS!! :D |
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| 19:52.16 | petemc | it ran linux |
| 19:52.17 | deadcat | chris: i am just fucking with your head (= |
| 19:52.23 | chris | oh lol |
| 19:52.23 | petemc | but it did suck |
| 19:52.32 | odessa | petemc: i have a actiontec DSL modem supplied by qwest (my isp) and a linksys router... |
| 19:52.35 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Im gonna pm you... now that I realize it... there is no reason for me to tell you I am pmin you.. so I'm just going to do it |
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| 19:52.52 | odessa | dlink runs linux? |
| 19:52.53 | Anthro | Anyone know how to get my secondary Mach64 video card working? All I can get it to do is 640x480. |
| 19:53.01 | jbmigel | my GAIM seems to die about every couple hours on "BAD WRITE" errors in sarge 2.6.8-k7 anyone else experience this? |
| 19:53.03 | petemc | odessa: which one does dns resolving for you? im using a linksys with satori firmware |
| 19:53.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U pm me.. I cant pm you |
| 19:53.11 | priest | odessa: yes, some dlink boxes run linux |
| 19:53.24 | chris | Well anyways, I've got a quick question about wireless config on debian, ive got it all working, using it right now to connect, but how do i make profiles or whatever so when linux starts up, it will find an access point,load the settings, and connect without me doing it |
| 19:53.31 | _gentgeen_ | Just did a new install -- using Sarge Net Installer CD -- what is the deal with the /media/cdrom --> /media/cdrom0 ? Can I get rid of one ?? |
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| 19:53.53 | odessa | petemc: its the actiontec thats doin the resolving ... i just changed my resolv.conf to use my isp's name servers ... but thats just a workaround... |
| 19:53.59 | chris | everytime i reboot i have to pick the accesspoint and an ecryption, then i have to do ifconfig wlan0 up and dhcpcd-bin wlan0 |
| 19:54.16 | odessa | petemc: so its not a problem with my linux boxen, right? |
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| 19:54.17 | jbmigel | Anthro you need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and add more resolutions where you find 640x480 in it |
| 19:54.30 | HelmutG | hi. can someone tell me why there is a group named ssh on systems having open ssh installed? |
| 19:54.32 | toresbe | anyone know where that cartoon is with the "normal person + net connection = blithering idiot" or something comic is? |
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| 19:54.47 | petemc | odessa: unlikely, assuming the problem doesnt persist when you change resolf.conf |
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| 19:55.19 | chris | man |
| 19:55.26 | chris | i need a better irc client |
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| 19:55.28 | kimo | guru question, I want to encrypt some large files in place (not an encrypted copy, as I don't have disk space). Any magic command :) |
| 19:55.29 | chris | whats everyone here using |
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| 19:55.33 | petemc | irssi |
| 19:55.35 | chris | I cant this "BitchX" |
| 19:55.37 | Phated | irssi |
| 19:55.38 | chris | *stand |
| 19:55.40 | odessa | petemc: huh. for a bit i wouldnt believe that a commercial product was causing problems :\ |
| 19:55.45 | priest | chris: try irssi |
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| 19:55.50 | odessa | petemc: i was sure it was something i was doin... |
| 19:55.52 | Anthro | jbmigel: Been there, done that. No dice. I've tried the ati driver (which gets me 640x480) and the r128 driver (which doesn't work at all). |
| 19:55.56 | caphuso | xchat-text! |
| 19:56.05 | petemc | odessa: you live and learn |
| 19:56.13 | chris | is there an apt package for irssi |
| 19:56.17 | priest | yes |
| 19:56.18 | caphuso | chris: irssi-text |
| 19:56.20 | Phated | irssi-text. |
| 19:56.24 | odessa | petemc: did you just junk your dlink router and get a different brand? |
| 19:56.38 | chris | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.40 | petemc | odessa: i sold it on to a barrister :) |
| 19:56.40 | chris | i have to say |
| 19:56.46 | chris | I LOVE apt-get |
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| 19:56.55 | odessa | petemc: barrister? |
| 19:57.03 | petemc | lawyer |
| 19:57.10 | odessa | heh :) |
| 19:57.20 | jbmigel | Anthro you shouldnt need to change drivers, look for the Screen section it lists display color depth and resolutions, just add you required res in the list for 24bit color |
| 19:57.36 | odessa | right on ... well i guess ill go lookin for another DSl modem then ... |
| 19:57.38 | odessa | thanks petemc :) |
| 19:57.46 | chris | hmm |
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| 19:57.54 | chris | Any reason why irssi would simply open then close |
| 19:58.17 | Anthro | jbmigel: I do know how to work an XF86Config-4 file. It doesn't matter what color depth I choose, nor what modes I list. I get 640x480. Period. |
| 19:58.22 | petemc | chris: it shouldnt, strace it |
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| 19:59.41 | chris | no clue what that stuff means, it spit a whole bunch of stuff that looks like function calls or something |
| 19:59.47 | rob_lt | chris, do you get any output if you launch it from a terminal? |
| 19:59.56 | petemc | chris: grep for ^open |
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| 20:00.05 | chris | no output |
| 20:00.25 | chris | what do you mean grep for ^open |
| 20:00.37 | Tavy | open a command line: type grep ^open |
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| 20:00.57 | smhar | why do I need to deselect glcore and dri from the server modules to be loaded by default? is it because the driver cannot use them.. because they are already checked in my configuration.. |
| 20:01.03 | bodom | i have noob question :( |
| 20:01.11 | bodom | how do you private message someone in xchat |
| 20:01.12 | bodom | lol.. |
| 20:01.15 | crashbg | i have NAT/FIREWALL script, what is the best startup priority for it - at the beginning or at the end of the other rc2.d/S scripts? Currently it's S95, after S91apache, is it OK this way? |
| 20:01.30 | mikeX | bodom, the same way you do on other clients |
| 20:01.36 | rob_lt | bodom, right click on their username, open dialog window |
| 20:01.39 | Tavy | bodom: Right click their name, and click Open Dialoag Window. :p |
| 20:01.43 | Tavy | Tada. |
| 20:01.49 | drac | Anthro: modprobe r128, modprobe drm, use driver "r128" in XF86Config-4, define correct BusID in Section "device". Look at 'lspci | grep -i vga', if it is 0000:01:00.0, you would use BusID "PCI:1:0:0" in XF86Config-4. |
| 20:01.52 | lafrance | bodom: use /msg nick |
| 20:01.53 | kimo | guru question, I want to encrypt some large files in place (not an encrypted copy, as I don't have disk space). Any magic command :) |
| 20:02.26 | chris | nothings happenng |
| 20:02.35 | bodom | k |
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| 20:02.39 | Anthro | drac: modprobe r128 worked. modprobe drm tells me that it isn't found. |
| 20:02.51 | jbmigel | Anthro try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root |
| 20:02.52 | drac | Anthro: Ok, it's build-in to kernel then and it's ok. |
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| 20:04.04 | carnage | is it difficult to get wmv's to work? |
| 20:04.23 | kimo | carnage, mplayer |
| 20:04.23 | chris | bleh, ill check out irssi later, ill use xchat for now |
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| 20:04.39 | PerfDave | carnage: Depends on the WMV. Some no, some yes. |
| 20:05.06 | carnage | mplayer by itself if difficult to even locate for debian... its all i used back in my bsd days though |
| 20:05.19 | PerfDave | carnage: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 20:06.00 | Anthro | drac: the r128 driver doesn't seem to work at all, but I may have the wrong BusID. IIRC, lspci gives the addresses in one base and Xfree expects them in another base. I don't remember which is which. lspci says 1:10:14, though. |
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| 20:06.09 | chris | There we go |
| 20:06.24 | streuner_ | Doesn't updatedb run daily? |
| 20:06.36 | crashbg | anyone about the rc2.d script? |
| 20:06.50 | drac | Anthro: The line saying VGA compatible controller gives you correct address. |
| 20:07.28 | Anthro | drac: Yes, but it's the wrong base. I think that lspci gives it in hexadecimal and Xfree wants it in decimal, but I don't remember if that's right. And it doesn't seem to be. |
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| 20:08.32 | drac | 0000:01:00.0 would be 1:0:0.. 0000:00:10.3 would be 0:10:3.. |
| 20:08.43 | concept10 | anyone here using a laptop with a p4 (speedstep) |
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| 20:09.08 | Anthro | concept10: Yes. |
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| 20:09.33 | Tavy | *Slam* |
| 20:09.35 | chris | debian got any good battery monitoring tools |
| 20:09.42 | concept10 | Anthro: does your speedscaling work? |
| 20:10.35 | kimo | concept10, modprobe p4_clockmod |
| 20:10.35 | PerfDave | chris: apt-cache search battery |
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| 20:10.35 | Anthro | concept10: As far as I can tell, yes. I use klaptop. |
| 20:10.35 | smhar | glxgears now avarages at 150 FPS is this ok.. or do i need to reboot |
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| 20:10.42 | priest | crashbg: you can start it earlier if you want |
| 20:10.47 | concept10 | kimo: what is that command for? |
| 20:11.14 | kimo | concept10, to load the required kernel module (driver?) to enable speed step |
| 20:11.17 | smhar | going for a reboot |
| 20:11.20 | jbmigel | smhar what is output of "glxinfo | grep direct"?? |
| 20:11.22 | idnar | anyone know a way to view .lit (Microsoft Reader) files in Debian? |
| 20:11.45 | Tavy | Try OpenOffice? |
| 20:11.54 | PerfDave | idnar: apt-cache search microsoft reader |
| 20:12.00 | smhar | jbmigel, direct rendering: No |
| 20:12.19 | smhar | jbmigel, OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 20:12.26 | idnar | PerfDave: that doesn't return any useful hits |
| 20:12.34 | Anthro | drac: 0001:10:14.0 VGA... |
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| 20:12.39 | PerfDave | idnar: Does wv not work then? |
| 20:12.44 | concept10 | kimo: thanks alot, I have a choice of speeds now with gnome speed scaling panel app - but one problem, it allows me to go from 1.6ghz down to 199 mhz! I have a P4 2.66, I want to be able to scale up |
| 20:12.47 | idnar | PerfDave: wv is for Word documents |
| 20:12.57 | smhar | brb |
| 20:13.09 | PerfDave | idnar: Have you tried it? |
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| 20:13.27 | drac | Anthro: 0001:10:14.0.. hmm.. 1:10:14:0.. ? not sure. |
| 20:13.30 | idnar | PerfDave: I haven't actually tried it, but the description doesn't give any indication that it should work |
| 20:13.59 | kimo | concept10, it might be a problem with the app, try /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/..../* some interesting files to look at :) |
| 20:14.07 | Anthro | drac: Nope. |
| 20:14.27 | idnar | PerfDave: .lit files are some sort of proprietary format archive containing HTML / images / metadata |
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| 20:16.08 | RJ-84 | hi, i am wondering how i can set an environment variable at gnome start up? |
| 20:16.24 | drac | Anthro: XFree86 -scanpci |
| 20:16.43 | Anthro | drac: no output |
| 20:17.26 | Anthro | drac: When I use the ati driver, it likes what lspci -X says. And the nvidia driver likes what lspci -X says for my primary video card. |
| 20:17.46 | Anthro | drac: But the ati driver won't give me more than 640x480 |
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| 20:18.19 | smhar | hi again.. I am back from a reboot |
| 20:18.33 | jbmigel | smhar how does she work? |
| 20:18.40 | smhar | glxinfo | grep direct gives: direct rendering: Yes |
| 20:18.46 | jbmigel | w00t |
| 20:19.27 | drac | Anthro: Defined correct Horizontal and Vertical values (in XF86Config-4) for your monitor? |
| 20:19.37 | drac | Anthro: Exactly as they should be, manual or google. |
| 20:19.44 | smhar | jbmigel, and glxgears starts at 500 but avarages at 2000FPS |
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| 20:20.13 | drac | smhar: You should get ~3500 with GF4 |
| 20:20.25 | jbmigel | nice you must have a nice card... my MX4000 only get me 1000 |
| 20:20.26 | concept10 | kimo: thanks |
| 20:20.45 | kimo | concept10, 'cat' the files for nice info |
| 20:20.50 | Anthro | drac: Hrm, I'll look into it. Which section does that go in? The monitor section or the device section? |
| 20:21.00 | Tavy | Monitor |
| 20:21.03 | close_to_debian | is there an irc channel for screen |
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| 20:21.09 | close_to_debian | *gnu screen |
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| 20:21.23 | smhar | drac, this is a RivaTNT Model 64 w/32MB 2X/4X AGP |
| 20:21.27 | concept10 | when I run modprobe -l (list) does that list modules loaded or available? |
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| 20:21.59 | PerfDave | close_to_debian: /msg chanserv help list |
| 20:22.00 | streuner_ | concept10: what's the problem? |
| 20:22.03 | drac | smhar: ah, then it's like it should be. i think :) |
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| 20:22.13 | close_to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.19 | mlalkaka | how can i change my debian mirrors? is there a way of reopening the initial setup program and doing this? |
| 20:22.21 | jbmigel | smhar what screen resolution are you running at? |
| 20:22.31 | drac | mlalkaka: apt-setup |
| 20:22.33 | gass | mlalkaka: apt-setup |
| 20:22.40 | mlalkaka | drac, gass thanks |
| 20:22.40 | smhar | so if this could be improved someone please advice.. I'd like better performance for sure :-) |
| 20:22.54 | rob_lt | concept10, available, lsmod is what is loaded. |
| 20:23.00 | smhar | jbmigel, 1024@24bit |
| 20:23.06 | concept10 | streuner_: im trying to correctly configure or load the correct modules pertaining to controlling p4 speedscaling |
| 20:23.10 | mirak | anyone now a rational mixer for sblive 5.1 ? |
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| 20:23.47 | drac | smhar: Getting rid of unnecessary modules from XF86Config-4 improves it a bit. Google for an example nvidia configuration. |
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| 20:24.02 | smhar | it peaks at 2680FPS |
| 20:24.09 | Tavy | That's bad? ^_^ |
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| 20:24.27 | smhar | drac, ok.. thanks |
| 20:24.34 | CasaNova | I'm trying to get NWN to start on new Debian box ( I copied all files over from Mandra** box-- I am getting an error that it can't find libelf.so.1 What package provides? I can't seem to find in cache or dpkg -S? |
| 20:24.36 | raf256 | how to have Flash player in firefox? |
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| 20:25.26 | hacim | hmm, when I install usbmgr, shouldn't something show up in dmesg about USB devices being detected? |
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| 20:26.18 | PerfDave | raf256: flashplayer-nonfree |
| 20:26.22 | drac | raf256: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree (needs non-free in sources.list) |
| 20:27.05 | raf256 | PerfDave: drac ok thnx. Do I need to somehow integrate it into firefox later or will it work instantly? |
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| 20:27.17 | PerfDave | raf256: You'll need to restart firefox. |
| 20:27.46 | CasaNova | I am also not sure what package provides sdl. I tried libsdl1.2-debian but not sure if that ir correct |
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| 20:29.05 | beowu1f | any maya linux users here? |
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| 20:29.47 | PerfDave | Maya Linux? Is that another Debian-derived distro? :) |
| 20:30.08 | beowu1f | or anyone successfully installed maya on debian without any problems> |
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| 20:30.37 | GarySaved | I can not get my printer to work. The wizard detects it, and I have all the FOO packages and such installed, but nothing happens. |
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| 20:30.44 | close_to_debian | how do i make a multiuser gnu screen session independent of each other |
| 20:30.53 | beowu1f | PerfDave maya is 3d graphics package by alias software.. what they used to produce shrek... |
| 20:31.07 | PerfDave | beowu1f: Oh, *that* Maya. I don't use it myself, but I know people who do :) |
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| 20:31.34 | bobgray_ | is it possible to map uids with nfs? |
| 20:31.49 | close_to_debian | how do i make a multiuser gnu screen session independent of each other |
| 20:31.50 | beowu1f | PerfDave know any linux users? |
| 20:32.02 | priest | is clamscan a bit slow? i have scanned mine discs for 3 hours now :( |
| 20:32.15 | Anthro | drac: explicitly setting the HorizSync and VertRefresh did the trick. Thanks! |
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| 20:32.29 | PerfDave | beowu1f: Yes |
| 20:32.32 | drac | Anthro: nice. ;) |
| 20:32.38 | PerfDave | close_to_debian: Uhm, what are you trying to do? |
| 20:32.42 | CasaNova | I installed libelfg0 libelfg0-dev but still don;t seem to have a libelf.so.1 anywhere, do I need to update libs or something? |
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| 20:33.25 | eddyp | any idea why I get for a "set" the output as if I ran bash with -x ? |
| 20:34.00 | close_to_debian | PerfDave: I have a multiuser session with gnuscreen but it seems that the session is same for every one how can i make each session independent |
| 20:34.04 | PerfDave | !tell beowu1f -about msg |
| 20:34.06 | MASoft | I want make my Gnome looks like MacOS ! in KDE there is Karamba, what about Gnome ? |
| 20:34.28 | beowu1f | PerfDave .sorry |
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| 20:34.48 | close_to_debian | MASoft: usee Garamba |
| 20:34.50 | eddyp | MASoft: GNOME will never look like MAC OS :-) |
| 20:35.15 | MASoft | eddyp, I want change it ! not same as MacOS ! |
| 20:35.22 | EvanCarroll | is there an easy way to disable scroll lock? |
| 20:35.36 | cusco | MASoft: http://www.gnome-look.org/ |
| 20:35.40 | eddyp | MASoft: you want to say MAC OS X |
| 20:35.56 | cusco | MASoft: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548 |
| 20:36.34 | PerfDave | beowu1f: I'm afraid I've never used Maya on Linux, and have no idea why it would segfault on startup. Isn't Maya a commercial product? Try contacting their tech support. |
| 20:36.38 | Anthro | Can xinerama tolerate one screen running at 16-bit and one running at 24-bit? |
| 20:36.46 | MASoft | close_to_debian, do u have any link for Garamba ?!?! |
| 20:38.14 | PerfDave | !fgi garamba |
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| 20:40.57 | MASoft | cusco, It change my theme :D but what about that bottom panel ? how can I make it ? |
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| 20:43.41 | dabreegster | I just hooked up my USB drive that plays dvds and tried playing one with 'mplayer dvd://1'. The sound was OK and I could see some of the video, but is was fuzzy and covered in junk data. Any clues? |
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| 20:44.06 | priest | is there a tool to scan a whole directory and set a static id3-tag to a all mp3's? |
| 20:44.20 | timo | priest, easytag |
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| 20:44.27 | priest | thanks |
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| 20:45.59 | timo | priest, if you need to do it recursively, right click on the directory, select 'browse sub-directories', right click on the directory again and select 'reload directory' |
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| 20:47.02 | GarySaved | Does anyone know why printing is not possible from the browser? |
| 20:47.31 | dabreegster | GarySaved:state which browser |
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| 20:48.13 | GarySaved | I am using lust Mozilla, so as to keep things simple (Simpler) |
| 20:48.21 | GarySaved | just ... |
| 20:48.26 | Gnea | heh |
| 20:48.28 | Gnea | that's not very simple |
| 20:48.33 | caphuso | GarySaved: install xprint |
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| 20:49.00 | Gnea | caphuso: it's great when they say 'mozilla' and don't realize how many mozilla-based browsers there are |
| 20:49.05 | caphuso | and stop using apt-get if you don't know how to deal with it |
| 20:49.53 | GarySaved | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.11 | CasaNova | I tried to start NWN and got an mouse not configured in svgalib error. How do I configure svgalib? |
| 20:50.32 | dabreegster | CasaNova: /etc/vga/libvga.conf |
| 20:50.37 | Gnea | CasaNova: edit the config file |
| 20:50.55 | CasaNova | Oh I didn't think I was supposed to edit the config file manually. OK |
| 20:50.57 | caphuso | CasaNova: NWN as in neverwinter nights? |
| 20:51.02 | CasaNova | Yes neverwinter |
| 20:51.13 | Gnea | CasaNova: this is linux, not windows |
| 20:51.14 | caphuso | does it even work with svgalib? |
| 20:51.22 | drac | Is there a recommended location to create swapfile? I have it in / now. |
| 20:51.30 | Gnea | configuration files are meant to be editted when necessary |
| 20:51.34 | CasaNova | Well NWN has worked for quite some time on my Linux box. |
| 20:51.36 | Gnea | otherwise there wouldn't be configuration files |
| 20:51.42 | CasaNova | Got a new box installed debian wanted to get NWN running on this one |
| 20:51.55 | caphuso | it'll probably dog slow |
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| 20:52.01 | dabreegster | CasaNova: they have NWM for linux? is it in the debian repository? |
| 20:52.09 | caphuso | dabreegster: yes, no |
| 20:52.20 | Gnea | heh, in the repo, that's a good one |
| 20:52.22 | caphuso | it's a commercial game, you need to buy it |
| 20:52.23 | dabreegster | caphuso: cool |
| 20:52.24 | CasaNova | Gnea: the file 'seemed' to indicate taht it woudl be edited by a setup of some application. but that was a very quick reading:-) |
| 20:52.33 | dabreegster | oh. |
| 20:52.34 | caphuso | pretty cheap so |
| 20:52.53 | Gnea | CasaNova: don't believe everything you read ;) |
| 20:53.03 | CasaNova | caphuso: It ran on my Mandr**e box (celeron 900) with 128 MB video just fien, ran very very well in fact. |
| 20:53.17 | dabreegster | CasaNova: man libvga.config might help |
| 20:53.28 | CasaNova | This is my first attempt to get NWN runnign on Debian |
| 20:53.50 | CasaNova | I was just reading man svgalib |
| 20:53.57 | Gnea | CasaNova: i'm guessing you do very poorly in english |
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| 20:54.25 | CasaNova | Actually I did very well in english ( I jsut cant type to save my life) |
| 20:54.52 | GarySaved | caphuso, do I need to do any extra configuring? It still does not print. |
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| 20:55.23 | S4nD3r_ | Hi... |
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| 20:56.14 | caphuso | GarySaved: was $XPSERVERLIST set before you started mozilla? |
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| 20:56.54 | imka | hi |
| 20:56.59 | rave | hi |
| 20:57.31 | GarySaved | I do not know if it was, but it is now. |
| 20:57.32 | imka | where does debian store the root password? i'm running debian as a xen guest system and i need to change the password but i can't log in |
| 20:57.43 | [LAC]Hydr | yo |
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| 20:57.59 | imka | so i have the image mounted to edit the password |
| 20:57.59 | JoshH | imka: its encrypted in /etc/shadow |
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| 20:58.19 | JoshH | imka: just replace it there with an x, then reboot and you can change it |
| 20:58.36 | imka | JosH is there any way to change it? or setting it to having no password (like it originally was)? |
| 20:58.42 | imka | ok |
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| 20:59.19 | imka | JosH i don't have etc/shadown |
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| 21:01.02 | raf256 | help |
| 21:01.03 | imka | i get "sulogin: cannot open password database!" |
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| 21:01.08 | raf256 | I have sound only in few applications |
| 21:01.09 | raf256 | why? |
| 21:01.18 | rave | hehehe |
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| 21:01.41 | raf256 | the best sound server is alsa right? so I want to use ALSA as my primary sound system and make other programs (like oss) use some oss-to-alsa something... how to do that? |
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| 21:01.56 | mwilson | ALSA isn't a sound server. |
| 21:02.00 | drac | raf256: Use correct audio output in them, I'm guessing ALSA and/or install alsa-oss package. |
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| 21:03.29 | raf256 | drac: I hace alsa-oss installed already. How to check if it is waorking correctly (or how to fix it) |
| 21:03.49 | imka | any ideas how to reset my system not to have a root password? i'm playing with debian as a xen guest and i locked myself out |
| 21:03.52 | valdyn | raf256: /usr/share/doc/alsa-oss |
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| 21:03.52 | imka | i get "sulogin: cannot open password database!" |
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| 21:04.24 | raf256 | valdyn: there is only changelog there |
| 21:04.27 | imka | i don't feel like debootstrapping again so it would be cool to reset it |
| 21:05.06 | valdyn | raf256: oh, that was premature, "man aoss" |
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| 21:06.49 | raf256 | valdyn: hmm I do not understand - have I run aoss manually or something? |
| 21:06.55 | raf256 | I just want my non-ALSA apps to wrok |
| 21:07.17 | jez | raf256: alsa-oss lets apps which want oss to work with alsa |
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| 21:07.56 | valdyn | raf256: aoss is one among many possibilities to get non-alsa applications to "work" on alsa |
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| 21:08.09 | raf256 | valdyn: and how to normaly use it? |
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| 21:08.19 | raf256 | valdyn: I just want the oss emulation to be "active all the time" |
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| 21:08.32 | valdyn | raf256: aoss osscommand |
| 21:08.43 | raf256 | valdyn: what freaking osscommand O_O ? |
| 21:08.57 | valdyn | hehe |
| 21:09.03 | raf256 | valdyn: is htere a command like just-the-f*-gimme-sound-to-all-freaking-applications ? |
| 21:09.12 | valdyn | raf256: aoss <somelameappthatcantoutputtoalsa> |
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| 21:09.41 | dabreegster | You need sound to be mixed among different apps? esd |
| 21:09.47 | raf256 | valdyn: that is freaking stupid. What about mozilla flash plugin? have I to link firefox into script "aoss firefox"? |
| 21:10.03 | raf256 | valdyn: can I just set the damned oss emulation "globally" for entire system? |
| 21:10.25 | valdyn | raf256: not really, or rather, not really perfectly |
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| 21:10.43 | valdyn | raf256: if you installed alsa properly then your oss emulation modules are already loaded |
| 21:10.45 | Neerlan_Amorim | hello for all |
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| 21:11.15 | valdyn | raf256: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ( *not* as root ) |
| 21:11.34 | holycow | http://ceeweb.mit.edu/ <-- hmmmm .... |
| 21:11.41 | holycow | ... does that logo look familiar to anyone? |
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| 21:12.33 | Phated | It's a perfect spiral. Golden Ratio and such. Let's not be hasty. |
| 21:12.44 | bucky | MIT's Department of Reverse Engineering? |
| 21:12.51 | mccbaka | vald: ahh that's boring, just white noise |
| 21:12.51 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 21:13.04 | holycow | bucky, rofl :) haha thats funny |
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| 21:13.21 | valdyn | mccbaka: i guess if its boring depends on speakers and volume ) |
| 21:13.31 | mccbaka | vald: try this: perl -e '$v=1; while($v++){ $a=1; while ( $a++ ) { print ( pack(u,($a x ($a / 3))) ); } }' | perl -e '$a = 1; print ( pack(C, unpack(c,getc)**2 ) x 3) while(1);' > /dev/audio |
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| 21:14.09 | raf256 | valdyn: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" works |
| 21:14.29 | mccbaka | vald: or /dev/hda1 > /dev/dsp :) |
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| 21:15.09 | raf256 | valdyn: it works with several streams also - so it works realy nice.. but then why I dont have sund in neither Noatun or flash plugin in firefox? |
| 21:15.51 | daft | If I am a user on a system and a program i installed needs a libary that isnt installed in how can i install the libary as user? |
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| 21:16.08 | dabreegster | daft: fakeroot? |
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| 21:16.29 | valdyn | raf256: dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser |
| 21:16.31 | mccbaka | daft: install the library to ~/usr/lib ? |
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| 21:16.38 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 21:16.47 | dabreegster | daft: or sudo, thought if you allow a user to install anything with apt-get, that's a MAJOR security risk |
| 21:16.49 | mccbaka | hm. can dpkg/apt/whatever install to nonstandard directories? |
| 21:16.51 | valdyn | raf256: noatun uses arts i guess, configure arts on your control panel |
| 21:16.56 | poonj | is there such thing as a modprobe.conf? |
| 21:17.13 | daft | dabreegster: im not root on that mashine |
| 21:17.13 | valdyn | poonj: yes and *dont* touch it |
| 21:17.58 | daft | I 1st try that ~/usr/lib |
| 21:18.00 | daft | thanx |
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| 21:18.21 | mccbaka | daft: it's possible to put directories in the LD_LIBRARY_CONF environment variable and it will look for libraries there. You could set LD_LIBRARY_CONF to /home/your_username/lib and have the directory installed in there, and programs will be able to find it. |
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| 21:18.33 | mccbaka | daft: warning, i don't know if there's a debian-specific way of doing this which is better |
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| 21:18.46 | raf256 | valdyn: how to configure the arts? I do use KDE... |
| 21:18.55 | valdyn | raf256: in kdes control panel |
| 21:19.28 | raf256 | oh shit - my HDD can rap \o/ echo "cat /dev/hda > /dev/dsp" > /nigger & chmod a+x /nigger |
| 21:20.11 | rave | rofl |
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| 21:21.58 | dabreegster | raf256: cat /dev/hda > /dev/dsp is dangerous! I just tried it now and it's slowing down my system. I killed it, but it's still lagging. :( |
| 21:22.07 | gtigene | How can I tell if nfs is intalled? rpc-info -p shows only portmap. I read the NFS howto but don't know why the nfs daemons didn't start. |
| 21:22.13 | raf256 | dabreegster: killit :) |
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| 21:22.36 | raf256 | dabreegster: and _realy_ wath out to not do it the other way around like > /dev/hda O_o that would totally fucked up the hdd |
| 21:22.41 | raf256 | it works now \o/ |
| 21:22.45 | valdyn | gtigene: dpkg -l | grep ^nfs |
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| 21:22.48 | raf256 | !kiss valdyn |
| 21:22.49 | dabreegster | raf256: I know. And I did. cat is killed |
| 21:22.50 | mccbaka | raf: yeah that would be a bad idea :O |
| 21:23.05 | dabreegster | raf256: but the terminal still isn't free. |
| 21:23.09 | dabreegster | raf256: ..... |
| 21:23.16 | gtigene | valdyn, I see. THanks. |
| 21:23.21 | dabreegster | raf256: and it's not showing up as a process |
| 21:23.31 | dabreegster | Curse it, I'll have to reboot. brb |
| 21:23.38 | raf256 | dabreegster: O_O |
| 21:23.41 | lunaphyte | my.cnf says "Error logging goes to syslog. This is a Debian improvement :)" - how can i find out the syslog facility it's passed to? |
| 21:23.41 | mccbaka | er... sorry -_- |
| 21:23.47 | raf256 | dabreegster: realy? try to kill it normally |
| 21:23.50 | raf256 | !stab cat |
| 21:24.50 | mikeX | ouch |
| 21:24.57 | lunaphyte | ah - nevermind |
| 21:25.16 | lunaphyte | :) |
| 21:26.18 | valdyn | gtigene: /etc/init.d/nfs<tab> restart |
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| 21:26.41 | dzen | wassup |
| 21:27.37 | gtigene | valdyn, its not there. Do you know the name of the nfs package, or how can I search for it? |
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| 21:27.58 | mikeX | gtigene, apt-cache search |
| 21:28.03 | valdyn | gtigene: apt-cache search nfs server |
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| 21:28.30 | gtigene | mikeX, valdyn: Thanks. |
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| 21:29.38 | nomed^ | how can i know what freetype fonts i have? to try different values of mrxvt*xftFont |
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| 21:31.31 | lunaphyte | freakin' upgrade broke phpmyadmin again. :x |
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| 21:31.39 | raf256 | valdyn: I have like 1000 ms lag in audio :/ on 2.6 Ghz, how to fix that? |
| 21:31.39 | shawnh | hi |
| 21:31.45 | shawnh | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.00 | shawnh | what do you guys talk about in here |
| 21:32.07 | dzen | áåñïåñäû |
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| 21:32.30 | valdyn | raf256: use an application that doesnt lag |
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| 21:32.44 | valdyn | raf256: an app using alsa directly hardly will lag like that |
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| 21:32.49 | raf256 | valdyn: there arent mean flash players to choose from, are they? |
| 21:33.23 | valdyn | raf256: nope |
| 21:33.29 | dabreegs1er | raf256: you've found a flash player that can do the interactive stuff, like press buttons? |
| 21:33.40 | raf256 | dabreegs yeah |
| 21:33.51 | raf256 | dabreegs just as guys suggested me before |
| 21:33.55 | dabreegs1er | raf256: what's it called? I've been looking for one |
| 21:34.01 | raf256 | [22:26] <PerfDave> raf256: flashplayer-nonfree |
| 21:34.01 | raf256 | [22:26] <drac> raf256: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree (needs non-free in sources.list |
| 21:34.10 | dabreegs1er | thanks |
| 21:34.16 | raf256 | valdyn: does the flash lags at Yours box also? |
| 21:34.38 | valdyn | raf256: it doesnt even run on my box |
| 21:34.49 | raf256 | oh |
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| 21:34.55 | hellz | hi, could some help me know how remote upgradation of firmware can be done? |
| 21:35.00 | raf256 | anyone managed to use flash without the fucking lag? |
| 21:35.05 | dabreegs1er | Yay! Now I can play The End of the World. Know if there's an mplayer plugin for it? |
| 21:35.09 | raf256 | why did macromedia fucked up job doing the plugin? |
| 21:35.17 | valdyn | raf256: doesnt run outside i386 and i dont need it |
| 21:35.33 | raf256 | fraking macromedia lame fucking programers |
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| 21:36.18 | valdyn | raf256: adobe ( why does a pdf viewer need to be the largest app on my box? ) bought them |
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| 21:37.34 | mikeX | lol |
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| 21:38.10 | hacim | when I boot, I am not seeing any USB devices being loaded or recognized by the kernel, is there something that I should look into to get them to come up? |
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| 21:40.15 | McKillroy | Has anyone here ever used egroupware ? I got som problems with its LDAP based authentication |
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| 21:40.52 | jez | hacim: did you compile the kernel yourself? did you compile USB support in? |
| 21:41.08 | hacim | jez: its a debian supplied 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel |
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| 21:41.14 | bucky | McKillroy, dpkg -l egroupware-ldap ? |
| 21:41.15 | PerfDave | hacim: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 21:41.19 | jez | hacim: type lsusb |
| 21:41.24 | jez | hacim: see what happens |
| 21:41.32 | hacim | PerfDave: runnin unstable |
| 21:41.37 | hacim | jez: what package is in lsusb? |
| 21:41.45 | hacim | dpkg, find lsusb |
| 21:41.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lsusb' (1): (/usr/bin/lsusb, /usr/sbin/lsusb) in utils/usbutils. |
| 21:42.13 | hacim | jez: nothing happens |
| 21:42.29 | jez | no output at all? |
| 21:42.34 | hacim | nope |
| 21:42.44 | hacim | jez: there is no /proc/bus/usb |
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| 21:43.06 | Esotericisms | if I download a deb file independently how do I install it? |
| 21:43.14 | hacim | Esotericisms: dpkg -i whateer.deb |
| 21:43.18 | Esotericisms | thank you |
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| 21:43.36 | markl_ | are there any video4linux users here who can help a newbie |
| 21:43.42 | markl_ | new to v4l2, not linux of course |
| 21:43.48 | jez | hacim: i'm not sure. i guess the hardware isn't detected. |
| 21:43.55 | jez | hacim: i mean the actual bus |
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| 21:44.29 | McKillroy | bucky: not sure - I think egw.ldap is the phpldapadmin stuff. I switched from sql based to ldap base user accounts, and now have the problem, that groups get incorporated into my ldap context, but not the user accounts. i incorporated the schemes adn changed slapd.conf, like described in the readme.debian, but no help .. no messages (with loglevel 255) |
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| 21:44.40 | jez | hacim: maybe incompatible but i wouldn't give up hope yet. do you know what usb controller is in there? |
| 21:44.47 | jez | lspci might help |
| 21:44.53 | hacim | jez: its an OHCI |
| 21:45.11 | hacim | jez: USB controller is an nvidia |
| 21:45.43 | plugwash | use lspci and google |
| 21:45.47 | bucky | McKillroy, so you do have egroupware-ldap installed? |
| 21:45.57 | McKillroy | bucky: yes - i have |
| 21:46.13 | jez | hacim: are any usb related kernel modules loaded? |
| 21:46.23 | hacim | jez: no |
| 21:46.24 | jez | lsmod | grep usb |
| 21:46.32 | jez | try modprobe usbcore |
| 21:46.40 | bucky | McKillroy, is there an example schema in /usr/share/doc/egroupware-ldap |
| 21:46.43 | hacim | jez: and when I try to load them it says they aren't found |
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| 21:46.54 | hacim | jez: FATAL: Module usbcore not found |
| 21:47.02 | hacim | jez: although the module exists in the kernel module hierarchy |
| 21:47.14 | jez | probably weren't compiled as modules... but i think USB support is in that kernel. I don't use those though, i compile my own. |
| 21:47.25 | hacim | jez: they exist as modules |
| 21:47.25 | jez | oh ok |
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| 21:48.07 | McKillroy | bucky: there are 2 schemata - I installed both like described, including the change of the index options |
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| 21:48.28 | bucky | hmm.. i dunno |
| 21:48.38 | McKillroy | bucky: phpgwaccount.schema and phpgwcontact.schema |
| 21:49.17 | jez | hacim: i'm sort of clueless. i'm no expert i'm afraid :) |
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| 21:49.59 | kevn | what's the difference between solid and stranded cat6 cables? |
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| 21:50.39 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - ive shared /mnt over nfs but when i mount it from other computers, i only get the empty directories as if nothing is mounted in them (there should be loads of stuff in them) - any idea's? |
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| 21:51.23 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - sorry about that, i accidently used /exit instead of /leave |
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| 21:52.15 | PI314 | hello everyone, is it true that ubuntu is breaking away from debian, if so in what ways? |
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| 21:52.23 | Super_Cat_Frog | anyway, i'l ask again, just incase: ive just shared /mnt over nfs but when i mount it from a different computer i only get the empty directories, as if nothing is mounted in them (they are all mounted) - any idea's? |
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| 21:52.56 | bucky | McKillroy, have you asked in #egroupware |
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| 21:58.05 | McKillroy | bucky: I did. |
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| 22:00.02 | n0ub | hi i need a few opinions! i have a script that runs in cron(5 to 5 min) and i have to add to this scrip that if the script that started at 5 hasn't end it and 10 the script from 10 that is the same will not start until the previos finish! do u undernstand what i am saying? :P what command will i use !!THX |
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| 22:02.12 | valdyn | Super_Cat_Frog: are you using the nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 22:02.32 | n0ub | valdyn ca u help me again pls |
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| 22:02.49 | valdyn | !u |
| 22:02.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:02.59 | bbrazil | n0ub: at start of script ln -s lock "$$" || exit 1; at end of script: rm lock |
| 22:02.59 | resiak | n0ub: If you mean you want to avoid two copies running at once, have the script test whether a file exists somewhere. If so, end, and if not, create it and delete it when it |
| 22:03.00 | frop | lo, i've searched around...but i think this is my last resource...someone now how to "hack" a westell wirespeed a90-210015-04 in hardware...i've to unbrick it |
| 22:03.05 | resiak | n0ub: ...finishes. |
| 22:03.21 | tarzeau | takatumi: moo |
| 22:03.56 | resiak | tarzeau: baa. |
| 22:03.59 | n0ub | i don't want to delete it |
| 22:04.07 | resiak | n0ub: ...not the script, the lockfile. |
| 22:04.28 | tarzeau | someone play bub-n-bros.sf.net with me! |
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| 22:05.04 | chrizz | Hello. I'm not quite updated in the hardware field. Will linux (debian) work good with 64 bit and an nforce chipset? |
| 22:05.25 | n0ub | i don't get it pls point me to the right direction ! what command do i have to man to do the job! |
| 22:05.26 | airco | is there any way to see (as root) what users logged in to my computer are doing? |
| 22:05.32 | resiak | n0ub: What are you trying to run? |
| 22:05.36 | resiak | airco: ps aux ? |
| 22:06.13 | n0ub | a script that starts every 5 min |
| 22:06.29 | n0ub | but the script maybe takes more then 5 minutes |
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| 22:06.46 | Phated | chrizz: Worksforme. |
| 22:06.47 | n0ub | and the script at 10 i don't want to start until the previos finishes |
| 22:06.58 | airco | resiak: is there an alternative that can get me a log of commands entered per user? |
| 22:07.00 | chrizz | Phated: nice |
| 22:07.04 | reagent | n0ub: use lockfiles |
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| 22:07.49 | n0ub | so i can i use lockfiles what do i have to read to do the job |
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| 22:08.07 | resiak | n0ub: What language are you writing the script in, out of interst? |
| 22:08.40 | n0ub | bash scripting! |
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| 22:09.27 | fatalblu_ | zsh scripting! |
| 22:09.30 | airco | n0ub: i only followed half of what you said, but normally stuff like running scripts every 5 minutes is done by cron |
| 22:09.40 | n0ub | yes! |
| 22:09.43 | n0ub | with cron |
| 22:09.45 | airco | though i might consider advising launchd ;-) (j/k) |
| 22:09.56 | reagent | n0ub: before you run the script, you check if a specific file exists. If it does, you abort the script or put it in a sleeping loop, whatever you prefer. first action of the script is to create that file. then you do what your script should do, last action is to remove the file. that's it |
| 22:10.18 | resiak | n0ub: Alright. When your script starts, have it check whether ~/.myscript.lock exists. If so, abort. If not, create the file, do whatever the script does, and have the script end by unlinking the file. |
| 22:10.23 | resiak | reagent: Ahem.# |
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| 22:10.39 | n0ub | ok thx very much for u help! |
| 22:11.04 | resiak | airco: *shrug* |
| 22:11.21 | Karnaugh | ahhh |
| 22:11.25 | Karnaugh | wtfwtfwtfwtfwtwtfwtf |
| 22:11.37 | Karnaugh | Apache 2 doesnt support large files |
| 22:11.40 | resiak | Karnaugh: Are you into Karnaugh Maps? |
| 22:11.42 | n0ub | resiak system check and other, nothing important! |
| 22:11.45 | Karnaugh | Proftpd doesnt support large files |
| 22:11.53 | resiak | n0ub: "System check"? |
| 22:11.55 | Karnaugh | Twisted.web doesnt support large files |
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| 22:12.10 | n0ub | but thx for u help |
| 22:12.35 | resiak | "thx |
| 22:12.37 | resiak | !thx |
| 22:12.37 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 22:12.58 | n0ub | thanks resiak :P |
| 22:12.58 | Karnaugh | !sux |
| 22:12.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 22:13.51 | Karnaugh | ok, so like, in the debian packages |
| 22:13.57 | Karnaugh | is there anything capable of sending large files |
| 22:14.00 | Karnaugh | with resume arupport |
| 22:14.05 | Karnaugh | *support |
| 22:14.15 | Karnaugh | (that doesnt suck) |
| 22:14.23 | resiak | !tell Karnaugh -about enter |
| 22:14.24 | Karnaugh | !LFS |
| 22:14.24 | dpkg | [lfs] large file support, or ask me about linux from scratch |
| 22:14.29 | resiak | sftp ? *shrug* |
| 22:14.39 | Karnaugh | resiak: sftp has resume? |
| 22:14.47 | resiak | Karnaugh: I haven't the foggiest. |
| 22:14.50 | resiak | Karnaugh: Split the file up? |
| 22:15.19 | Karnaugh | !lart |
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| 22:15.39 | GeekZoid | hi |
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| 22:15.53 | GeekZoid | does anyone know how to get rid of the auto icons that Libranet or mepis puts on from fstab |
| 22:15.58 | Delph | Karnaugh: how large is large? |
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| 22:16.33 | GeekZoid | hello? |
| 22:16.47 | Karnaugh | Delph: 4.66 GB |
| 22:16.47 | resiak | GeekZoid: Are Libranet or Mepis on-topic in #debian ? |
| 22:16.51 | reagent | GeekZoid: this is #debian, not #libranet... we have no clue about libranet |
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| 22:17.10 | GeekZoid | its based on Debian |
| 22:17.14 | resiak | !based on Debian |
| 22:17.15 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 22:17.15 | Delph | Karnaugh: thats not that big, is it? |
| 22:17.23 | Karnaugh | ... |
| 22:17.28 | kevn | crimping a cat 6 is exactly the same as cat 5, right? only difference in the cable is the mhz, correct? |
| 22:17.38 | Karnaugh | Delph: well it must be if no one thought to actualy write software that doesnt truncate it to 300Mb |
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| 22:17.45 | reagent | resiak: this is libranet, such things are possible there :) |
| 22:17.48 | Karnaugh | Delph: i didnt think so either, but my bad eh |
| 22:18.04 | resiak | Karnaugh: Uh, you can download files > 300Mb from Apace. |
| 22:18.07 | Delph | Karnaugh: apache does not truncate to 300Mb. |
| 22:18.18 | Delph | think CD1 of the debian iso, as a random example =:) |
| 22:18.25 | Karnaugh | no, Apache just gives me an error 403 |
| 22:18.30 | GeekZoid | No what I mean is every entry on fstab isput into an icon on the kde desktop |
| 22:18.33 | Delph | Karnaugh: you know what a 403 is, don't you? |
| 22:18.35 | Karnaugh | for no particular reson that i can see |
| 22:18.36 | resiak | 403 --> forbitten. |
| 22:18.43 | resiak | GeekZoid: Go to #libranet! |
| 22:18.47 | Delph | you've not configured apache properly to allow access to that file. |
| 22:18.59 | GeekZoid | Ya but it could be a debian issue too.. its a program taht does it |
| 22:19.04 | GeekZoid | so i thought you guys might now which program |
| 22:19.05 | Karnaugh | Delph: err, yes i have, it had the same permissions as everything else in that dir |
| 22:19.05 | resiak | GeekZoid: Bollocks. |
| 22:19.09 | Delph | GeekZoid: which program? |
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| 22:19.16 | khanman | does anyone know of a samba-openLDAP howto for sarge? i found a good one on idealx.org .....but it uses fedora core2 so of course the packages will be different from the ones i need |
| 22:19.21 | resiak | GeekZoid: Why not look in, erm, the KDE Control Centre? |
| 22:19.29 | Karnaugh | Delph: and I even tried chowning it to www-data and it still gave a 403 |
| 22:19.30 | GeekZoid | I have! |
| 22:19.39 | GeekZoid | I have no idea where these icons are coming from |
| 22:19.49 | Delph | khanman: if you've not found one yet, then you're probably best off trying to find debian equivalents. |
| 22:20.00 | Delph | khanman: someone has to be the first to write these HOWTOs |
| 22:20.12 | resiak | GeekZoid: They're coming from the option called "display drives on the desktop". |
| 22:20.15 | Delph | khanman: if there's a specific program you're missing you could try asking in here for help finding it. |
| 22:20.32 | resiak | GeekZoid: Now, I don't use KDE, so the wording may be different, but I sure as hell know that the option is about one click away. |
| 22:20.35 | Delph | Karnaugh: *shrug* Apache can serve those size files. It's a configuration issue. |
| 22:20.39 | Delph | what does the server log say? |
| 22:21.33 | khanman | delph, i know i was hoping someone had already....in that fedora howto there was an addendum from some woody user...he said he had to recompile samba from the original source to remove all the pam stuff....blegh..i was hoping someone had done it more recently |
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| 22:22.02 | Delph | khanman: most likely you'll have to recompile it to remove PAM. Though i'm not sure why you'd want to. |
| 22:22.24 | Delph | s/want to/have to/ |
| 22:22.26 | khanman | me neither..thats why i was hoping for a more current howto..i hate fedora |
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| 22:22.41 | khanman | fedora c2 no less |
| 22:22.43 | Delph | khanman: really, read the howto, try and work out what packages are needed. |
| 22:22.51 | Delph | iirc, you've been looking for a day or so, yes? |
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| 22:23.21 | Karnaugh | Delph: does Apache on Sid have LFS support built in? |
| 22:23.26 | khanman | delph, guess ill have to...was hoping for a shortcut..guess ill need try with the tools i have installed already |
| 22:23.43 | hacim | jez: turns out I was booting a kernel that didn't have usb support :P |
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| 22:24.49 | Delph | Fetched 7601kB in 0s (9797kB/s) |
| 22:24.51 | Delph | mumm. |
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| 22:25.03 | hacim | jez: and if I modprobe ehci-hcd ohci-hcd usbmouse and usbcore the mouse works (although I would think that usbmgr would take care of that) |
| 22:25.26 | prock | are there any programs that can make the debian boot process more attractive? |
| 22:25.27 | bouncing | Thoughts on a USB DVD burner that works well with sarge? |
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| 22:25.33 | bouncing | ie; kernel 2.6? |
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| 22:26.13 | Delph | Karnaugh: what's the configuration option to turn it on? |
| 22:26.53 | prock | bouncing: I've had no problems with my generic LG one |
| 22:27.29 | bouncing | prock: It's a USB DVD burner? Do you know what chipset? |
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| 22:28.22 | Delph | prock: see what ubuntu uses to prettify their boot sequence. |
| 22:28.26 | prock | bouncing: please excuse me, I missed the USB part of your question |
| 22:28.33 | bouncing | hehe. :) |
| 22:28.41 | bouncing | Laptop. |
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| 22:29.09 | Karnaugh | Delph: ... |
| 22:29.44 | ercin | what was the port that cups' web interface listens ? |
| 22:29.59 | hacim | I've got a soundblaster audigy 2 zs and am trying to get it to work, alsaconf doesn't seem to recognize it |
| 22:30.28 | bouncing | hacim: Does it show in /proc/pci/.. ? |
| 22:30.35 | bouncing | err, /proc/bus/pci/... |
| 22:30.41 | Delph | Karnaugh: the configuration option to turn it on? I'm looking at the configuration file now, so if you know which option it is to turn it on, i can go look. |
| 22:30.44 | Karnaugh | so does anyone know of anything which has LFS support asside from SCP? |
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| 22:30.58 | hacim | bouncing: you mean with lspci? |
| 22:31.09 | Karnaugh | Delph: there is no configuration option afaik, its compiled in or it isnt |
| 22:31.25 | bouncing | hacim: Sure |
| 22:31.28 | Karnaugh | and since the file doesnt even show up in a directory listing on apache |
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| 22:31.33 | hacim | bouncing: the odd thing is that it does not |
| 22:31.38 | Karnaugh | I'm privey to believe that it doesnt, on Debian SID |
| 22:31.45 | bouncing | hacim: has it ever worked? on any other OS's? |
| 22:31.51 | hacim | bouncing: I just purchased it |
| 22:32.02 | hacim | bouncing: I know it is supported because a friend has one |
| 22:32.18 | bouncing | hacim: Not showing up in lspci/proc, to me means, it's something more fundamental than just alsa. |
| 22:32.22 | Delph | Karnaugh: *eyes ceiling* |
| 22:32.37 | Delph | Karnaugh: the option when you compile apache to compile it in or not. |
| 22:32.39 | hacim | bouncing: hmm, should I try plugging it into a different PCI slot? |
| 22:32.44 | bouncing | hacim: You don't by chance have duel boot so you can confirm it works in Windows, do you? |
| 22:32.50 | Delph | if it's compiled in then there'll be an option to compile it in or not. |
| 22:32.59 | hacim | bouncing: nope, haven't had windows for many years |
| 22:33.01 | Karnaugh | Delph: I dont feel much like compiling Apache |
| 22:33.05 | bouncing | hacim: Yeah, or even make sure it's nested. Also, you might see about the BIOS and turn on/off plug and play. |
| 22:33.07 | Delph | Karnaugh: nothing in the config seems to have LFS mentioned |
| 22:33.16 | hacim | bouncing: what do you mean "nested"? |
| 22:33.19 | Delph | Karnaugh: so i'm assuming it's not configurable. |
| 22:33.20 | ercin | hacim, try snd-emu10k1 driver |
| 22:33.24 | bouncing | hacim: all the way in the slot |
| 22:33.29 | ercin | err... module |
| 22:33.30 | Delph | Karnaugh: so it's probably enabled. |
| 22:33.38 | Karnaugh | Delph: have you tested it? |
| 22:33.47 | Delph | Karnaugh: no |
| 22:33.57 | Delph | oh fs. |
| 22:34.01 | bouncing | ercin: If it isn't showing up in the PCI bus, no driver will find it. |
| 22:34.07 | hacim | bouncing: k, I'll try those |
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| 22:34.47 | bouncing | So... no one here has ever tried any usb dvd/cd burners? |
| 22:34.58 | Karnaugh | please test it before arguing with me about what I can plainly see infront of my own eyes. Excuse my attitude. |
| 22:35.04 | bucky | prock, check out bootsplash.org |
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| 22:35.22 | prock | bucky: yup, just found it thanks |
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| 22:35.30 | Delph | Karnaugh: well, plainly infront of *my* eyes |
| 22:35.50 | Delph | is the lack of this LFS config option. The fact that you don't know how to compile it in, or even if it can be compiled in. |
| 22:36.04 | Delph | The fact that most apache servers seem able to serve a 700mb iso quite happily. |
| 22:36.18 | Karnaugh | I'm talking about a ~4.7 GB file |
| 22:36.45 | Karnaugh | according to the many bug reports Google shows me, it doesnt serv up files more than 2Gb |
| 22:37.07 | Karnaugh | but thats not substantial |
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| 22:37.24 | gartt | What? Apache won't serve files over 2 gigs? |
| 22:37.50 | Karnaugh | the fact is, I have a fully functioning Apache2 mpm perfork instalation from the Sid tree, which does not transfer this 4.7 Gb file |
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| 22:37.55 | Karnaugh | and yes, the permisions are fine |
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| 22:37.58 | Gnea | heh, what a load of crap |
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| 22:38.17 | Gnea | Karnaugh: sounds like a filesystem limitation |
| 22:38.46 | Karnaugh | ext-3 has problems with large files? |
| 22:39.01 | Gnea | you may have to tweak it to be able to |
| 22:39.05 | Gnea | check out tune2fs |
| 22:39.17 | Hyde | I'm having a real weird problem, i've tried 3 browsers but i can't seem to submit web forms, i've tried on a webassign site and an online newsgroup that has nothing to do with the webassign.com, I click submit and it just timesout, any sugestions? |
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| 22:39.37 | Hyde | also i've tried 2 different browsers, ie and ff |
| 22:39.46 | Karnaugh | Gnea: well I can use the file fine |
| 22:39.48 | Delph | Karnaugh: well |
| 22:39.55 | Gnea | Hyde: are you using squid? |
| 22:39.57 | Delph | Karnaugh: it works *fine* on our apache 1.3 |
| 22:40.08 | Hyde | no |
| 22:40.14 | Gnea | Karnaugh: that's not the issue |
| 22:40.14 | Delph | Karnaugh: perhaps apache2 is broken. |
| 22:40.24 | Gnea | Delph: not possible. |
| 22:40.28 | Delph | Gnea: lol |
| 22:40.45 | Karnaugh | apache 1.3 != Apache 2 |
| 22:40.49 | Delph | Karnaugh: yes. |
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| 22:40.57 | Delph | Karnaugh: so if it works in apache1.3, use apache1.3 =:) |
| 22:40.58 | Gnea | it's possible the config needs some tweaking tho |
| 22:41.06 | Hyde | I have a netgear router and bellsouth dsl, that seems it could be the problem |
| 22:41.09 | Delph | Gnea: it's not a config option, you have to compile it in !!111oneone. |
| 22:41.42 | Gnea | Delph: and one has to configure it in order to compile it. *throws your spare one's to the dogs* |
| 22:41.43 | Gnea | :) |
| 22:41.44 | Delph | Gnea: there's no config option in the apache configure script to enable it. |
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| 22:41.57 | Delph | (apache2, even) |
| 22:42.10 | Delph | so it sounds like something that's runtime enablable, if it is an option. |
| 22:42.17 | Gnea | but there is an httpd.conf/apache.conf file |
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| 22:42.41 | Delph | anyhow, why am I caring... Karnaugh hasn't even said if there's anything in the server logs. |
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| 22:42.53 | Gnea | good point |
| 22:43.27 | Delph | ooh, is ext3 limited to less than 2gb? |
| 22:43.40 | resiak | Delph: NO. |
| 22:43.47 | resiak | Delph: At least, I don't think so. |
| 22:44.18 | Delph | nope |
| 22:44.21 | idnar | er, how could you have a file larger than 2gb in the first place if the filesystem can't handle it? |
| 22:44.26 | Delph | resiak: well, it is limited |
| 22:44.41 | llama32 | can i apt-get install something while specifying that i want a version that will need minimal upgrades to other packages? i assume no, so if so anyone know of a screenshot app [other than gimp or ksnapshot]? |
| 22:44.51 | Delph | but of the order of 16Gb (1k blocksize) -> 2,000Gb (something bigger blocksizewise) |
| 22:45.07 | reagent | resiak: it isn't (anymore). the large file support patch has been applied somwhere in 2.5 |
| 22:45.24 | Fatal | llama32: import is nice (part of imagemagick package) |
| 22:45.25 | reagent | llama32: import |
| 22:45.27 | resiak | llama32: scrot |
| 22:45.27 | streuner | llama32: /msg dpkg ss |
| 22:45.37 | resiak | reagent: Ah. |
| 22:45.54 | Karnaugh | [Sat May 07 22:45:02 2005] [error] [client 196.39.45.51] (75)Value too large for defined data type: access to /bck080605.tbz2 failed |
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| 22:47.22 | Slyboots | Hi |
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| 22:47.34 | bucky | Apache 2 does support it but only on (truly) 64-bit systems. according to this one post |
| 22:47.36 | CargolNet | hey www.google.com doesn't resolve |
| 22:47.51 | streuner | CargolNet: DHCP? |
| 22:48.01 | llama32 | ahh thanks Fatal/reagent/resiak/streuner, im getting imagemagick now (only 2.7mb compared to the 20-something i needed to download for ksnapshot) |
| 22:48.02 | Delph | very strange |
| 22:48.09 | Delph | my google isn't responding either atm. |
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| 22:48.19 | streuner | llama32: try scrot |
| 22:48.19 | Karnaugh | great now google has gone down |
| 22:48.20 | Karnaugh | wtf |
| 22:48.24 | streuner | !info scrot |
| 22:48.26 | CargolNet | streuner: nope, I have tried it in three diferent servers |
| 22:48.35 | dpkg | scrot: (command line screen capture utility), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8-6 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 22:48.35 | Delph | hmm |
| 22:48.42 | resiak | llama32: Nooo! Get scrot! |
| 22:48.43 | Fatal | dpkg: google messed up their dns |
| 22:48.43 | Delph | their magic DNS remagicing must have died. |
| 22:48.44 | CargolNet | yep it's down, the dns i guess though |
| 22:48.49 | dpkg | Google says messed up their dns is at http://www.menandmice.com/9000/9320_DNS_Corner_Q&A/93_Q&A_025.html or http://www.chicagoist.com/archives/2005/04/15/comcast_makes_us_want_to_scream.php or http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/62469 or http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/news,62444~reverse=0;mode=nest;days=2000;root=news,62444 or http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/DNS_Conditional_Forwarding_in_Windows_Server_2003.html |
| 22:48.51 | Slyboots | I've run into an unusaul program, Im trying to compile a program (Gens) but when I run ./configure I get a "Permission Denied" |
| 22:48.54 | streuner | resiak: yeah, get scrot! |
| 22:48.59 | resiak | streuner: I KNOW! |
| 22:49.00 | Fatal | uh |
| 22:49.03 | Fatal | whoops |
| 22:49.08 | Fatal | :D |
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| 22:49.11 | streuner | resiak: i know ;-) |
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| 22:49.13 | Slyboots | I've already checked the chmod and I do own rwx permissions to all the files inside that folder |
| 22:49.15 | Fatal | Delph: google messed up their dns |
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| 22:49.17 | Gnea | interesting. |
| 22:49.18 | Slyboots | So Im not quite sure whats going on |
| 22:49.19 | CargolNet | unbelivable |
| 22:49.22 | Karnaugh | [0507 22h47.36] < bucky> Apache 2 does support it but only on (truly) 64-bit systems. according to this one post |
| 22:49.23 | Gnea | google.com resolves but not www.google.com |
| 22:49.28 | CargolNet | right |
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| 22:49.32 | Karnaugh | hey cool so i was just being stupid all along |
| 22:49.33 | llama32 | haha ive been looking at "Looking up www.google.com" for about a minute |
| 22:49.34 | norton | is google down? |
| 22:49.46 | Fatal | norton: they messed up their dns :) |
| 22:49.55 | Karnaugh | whatever |
| 22:50.05 | norton | oh, :) |
| 22:50.06 | Delph | ./topic #debian Don't PANIC! GOOGLE IS NOT GONE FOREVER! It'll ALL BE OK. TAKE DEEP BREATHS. |
| 22:50.09 | CargolNet | if google admins can fail everyone should be able to fail |
| 22:50.12 | Kerr | err |
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| 22:50.15 | Fatal | Delph :)) |
| 22:50.18 | norton | someone have an ip? |
| 22:50.20 | Kerr | is my net fucked or did google die? |
| 22:50.27 | CargolNet | google died ;) |
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| 22:50.30 | Fatal | Kerr: google messed up their dns |
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| 22:50.37 | Karnaugh | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 22:50.37 | Karnaugh | Name: google.com |
| 22:50.38 | Karnaugh | Addresses: 216.239.37.99, 216.239.39.99, 216.239.57.99 |
| 22:50.40 | Slyboots | Google died? |
| 22:50.42 | bucky | google has become a subscription service |
| 22:50.44 | Slyboots | lol |
| 22:50.48 | CargolNet | lol |
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| 22:50.57 | norton | thx |
| 22:50.58 | Slyboots | "Thanks for using Google, Please pay £1 per search" |
| 22:51.13 | Slyboots | You could setup www.g00gle.com to fool people ;) |
| 22:51.44 | Slyboots | Its kinda weird to see google.com down |
| 22:51.54 | Delph | it's one of those things. |
| 22:51.56 | Fatal | it's armageddon |
| 22:51.58 | shingouz | Slyboots: They'd still make a killing I think |
| 22:52.00 | Delph | though I didn't really expect it. |
| 22:52.03 | Slyboots | A sign of the end-times!! |
| 22:52.09 | llama32 | Slyboots: unfortuanately booble is taken |
| 22:52.11 | CargolNet | I can't do anything I'm adicted to google |
| 22:52.42 | Slyboots | Ahh, Reminds me of the heydays when someone hacked the txt version page for Yahoo.. |
| 22:52.47 | pureone | you could use msn search...... |
| 22:52.51 | Slyboots | and told everyone there was a virus.. |
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| 22:53.27 | Slyboots | Anyway, Back to life again |
| 22:53.29 | llama32 | haha |
| 22:53.32 | CargolNet | hey what about alltheweb.com or does someone remember the hotbot days? |
| 22:53.44 | shingouz | pureone: Now THAT is a sick idea, use msn for search |
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| 22:53.51 | Slyboots | Anyone figure why on earth running a ./configure would throw up a "Permission Deined" |
| 22:53.54 | pureone | hehe |
| 22:53.56 | Slyboots | Who remembers InfoSeek |
| 22:54.01 | Slyboots | (Is Infoseek still around?) |
| 22:54.07 | shingouz | Altavista |
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| 22:54.11 | pureone | msn search couldnt even find the link to sp2 |
| 22:54.11 | prock | holy smokes google's nameservers are down |
| 22:54.15 | CargolNet | Slyboots: chmod +x configure |
| 22:54.15 | markybob | yeah |
| 22:54.16 | Fatal | webcrawler! \o/ |
| 22:54.16 | Kerr | Slyboots: do it as su ? |
| 22:54.18 | markybob | first time i've ever seen it |
| 22:54.23 | markybob | prock, impressive. |
| 22:54.25 | Slyboots | Aint that dangerious? |
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| 22:54.42 | Slyboots | What did happen to Infoseek? It used to be great |
| 22:54.52 | Kerr | Slyboots: type su in the shell |
| 22:54.53 | shingouz | Slyboots: What are the permissions of the file you are trying to run |
| 22:54.54 | Karnaugh | thanks again for the pretentious "help" |
| 22:55.07 | llama32 | shingouz: msn search is fine if all your searching for is advertisements |
| 22:55.07 | prock | does anyone have google's ip cached somewhere? |
| 22:55.09 | markybob | anyone in here happen to work at google and know wtf is going on? :) |
| 22:55.09 | Slyboots | 755, to me |
| 22:55.15 | Slyboots | I own the files |
| 22:55.17 | shingouz | llama32: I have noticed |
| 22:55.19 | Karnaugh | http://216.239.37.99/ |
| 22:55.25 | Karnaugh | for google.. |
| 22:55.47 | chealer | hey guys, microsoft just bought google |
| 22:55.51 | benjamindees | prock, you too huh? |
| 22:55.52 | Karnaugh | I dont know why my DNS lookups still fail though even with the records cached on my network |
| 22:56.12 | gass | is google down? |
| 22:56.16 | markybob | yes |
| 22:56.16 | benjamindees | dig @151.164.1.8 www.google.com |
| 22:56.18 | prock | and amazingly enought /. doesn't have a story about it yet :) |
| 22:56.18 | streuner | oh, google.de doesn't work too |
| 22:56.22 | Slyboots | -rwxr-xr-x 1 slyboots slyboots 171446 2004-05-22 09:02 configure |
| 22:56.30 | poli_off | This is not debian-specific but... how can I take ownership/erase or something a file that isn't yours but is in your directory? |
| 22:56.35 | prock | everybody's probably trying to find a news story to post... except they don't know how to find one now |
| 22:56.42 | K43Z4R | which files would i need for the floppy+internet install.../compact/ folder?...also how to do a sector copy? |
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| 22:56.55 | markybob | haha |
| 22:57.12 | poli_off | chmod u+s <dir> ? |
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| 22:57.29 | gass | dns problems for google |
| 22:57.33 | resiak | poli_off: I don't think that you do. |
| 22:57.40 | Slyboots | Yea, that just fucked up things worse |
| 22:57.44 | Slyboots | slyboots@ElanVital:~/gens/gens/GensForLinux$ ./configure |
| 22:57.45 | Slyboots | : bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
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| 22:58.01 | resiak | Slyboots: check the first line. |
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| 22:58.20 | michal_ | is the Local thing on Google new? |
| 22:58.21 | poli_off | resiak, thanks. |
| 22:58.32 | beowu1f | does anyone here know how to debug a segfault??? |
| 22:58.37 | benjamindees | michal_, it's been there at least since last Nov |
| 22:58.39 | Delph | resiak: you can't take control, but you can unlink it from your directory, no? |
| 22:58.49 | llama32 | CAiRO: i cant ping it... |
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| 22:59.00 | llama32 | ping: unknown host www.google.com |
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| 22:59.10 | benjamindees | CAiRO, I can't either |
| 22:59.11 | prock | beowu1f: compile with -g option and then launch via gdb |
| 22:59.16 | CAiRO | that's what i really don't understand, when i do ping, it resolves the domain |
| 22:59.19 | streuner | llama32: well, we know that already |
| 22:59.32 | resiak | Delph: True. |
| 22:59.36 | resiak | Delph: I think. Try it :) |
| 22:59.38 | norton | I have two URLs i know, www.google.com and www.slashdot.org. Now slashdot is the only one left... :/ |
| 22:59.52 | benjamindees | CAiRO, oh wait nevermind I can, "64 bytes from ev1s-67-15-97-220.ev1servers.net" |
| 22:59.57 | Delph | bah; |
| 23:00.06 | beowu1f | prock thanx.. trying to get maya installed on linux but getting segfault when i start up... |
| 23:00.29 | llama32 | streuner: ?? i said that because CAiRO said he can ping it but firefox wont get to it, i didnt just work out www.google.com was dead |
| 23:00.57 | Fatal | the site is working fine, it's "just" the dns :D |
| 23:01.04 | Slyboots | slyboots@ElanVital:~/gens/GensForLinux$ ./configure |
| 23:01.04 | Slyboots | bash: ./configure: Permission denied |
| 23:01.32 | Slyboots | Even as root, I get permission Denied |
| 23:01.41 | Fatal | chmod +x ./configure |
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| 23:01.51 | shingouz | Well, here I was figuring I'd sit down and google how to make an IDE cdburner to work with 2.6.8 without the ide-scsi but as google is down I guess there is nothing else I can do except sit here and look gloomy :p |
| 23:01.57 | resiak | Slyboots: head -n 1 configure ? |
| 23:02.03 | Slyboots | Now it goes: |
| 23:02.04 | Slyboots | slyboots@ElanVital:~/gens/GensForLinux$ ./configure |
| 23:02.04 | Slyboots | : bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 23:02.07 | beowu1f | prock what command do u use to launch gdb...? |
| 23:02.11 | resiak | beowu1f: gdb |
| 23:02.16 | Syrinx | shingouz: google isn't down |
| 23:02.17 | Fatal | Slyboots: check the first line |
| 23:02.23 | resiak | beowu1f: Specifically, gdb program-to-debug |
| 23:02.26 | Slyboots | #! /bin/sh |
| 23:02.32 | prock | beowu1f: gdb |
| 23:02.33 | Fatal | remove the space |
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| 23:02.47 | erendo | hola |
| 23:02.51 | jazzmans | Syrinx, I cannot access google either, some problems with dns servers? |
| 23:02.52 | resiak | It only took three iterations of "check the first line"... |
| 23:02.54 | Slyboots | slyboots@ElanVital:~/gens/GensForLinux$ ./configure |
| 23:02.55 | Slyboots | configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub |
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| 23:02.57 | resiak | jazzmans: Scroll up. |
| 23:03.00 | Slyboots | :P |
| 23:03.06 | shingouz | Syrinx: Yea but I would have to use the IP and I am too lazy, I sure can use a few hours just sitting here |
| 23:03.11 | jazzmans | I just rejoined, so lost most of the conversation, sorry. |
| 23:03.12 | Syrinx | yes, dns is messed up |
| 23:03.21 | Syrinx | an ip is http://216.239.37.99/ |
| 23:03.22 | tracer | What is the port I should pick when setting up the xserver for a USB mouse? |
| 23:03.25 | Delph | Slyboots: prod leo, istr that he's got gens installed. |
| 23:03.26 | *** join/#debian Tony2 (~Tony2@resnet57-150.ucr.edu) |
| 23:03.30 | Tony2 | google is down! |
| 23:03.35 | streuner | argh |
| 23:03.36 | shingouz | gee.... |
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| 23:03.38 | kolter_t | Slyboots: partion mounted with option noexec ? users ? |
| 23:03.38 | Fatal | amazing news |
| 23:03.38 | Slyboots | Aye |
| 23:03.49 | streuner | the next one who tell us google is down got shot! ;-) |
| 23:04.00 | Slyboots | No kolter_t, I can compile code no proble, its this program thats not working |
| 23:04.14 | Tony2 | ok |
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| 23:04.27 | resiak | Slyboots: ls ./config.sub ? |
| 23:04.38 | kolter_t | Slyboots: and "/bin/sh ./configure" ? |
| 23:05.01 | Slyboots | Same error |
| 23:05.19 | Karnaugh | hey is google down? |
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| 23:05.21 | Karnaugh | :P |
| 23:05.28 | streuner | What's that interesting about google? |
| 23:05.30 | llama32 | Tony2: try google.com not www.google.com... it works fine here |
| 23:05.32 | resiak | Slyboots: Does ./config.sub exist? |
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| 23:05.40 | Slyboots | Yes |
| 23:05.48 | shingouz | !beer streuner |
| 23:05.51 | reagent | how can I generate the configure script out of configure.in ? |
| 23:05.51 | Karnaugh | use http://216.239.37.99/ for the 100th time |
| 23:06.00 | Esaj | is it just me, or has google's dns gone screwy? |
| 23:06.07 | Fatal | hahahhahahah |
| 23:06.07 | Karnaugh | good lord |
| 23:06.12 | shingouz | ffs... |
| 23:06.41 | cinix | Esaj, I've herd a few people say that |
| 23:06.44 | cinix | it's working fo rme |
| 23:06.49 | llama32 | does plain old google.com [without the www.] work only for me? |
| 23:07.10 | *** join/#debian Function (~Function@pietvanderstaaij.demon.nl) |
| 23:07.10 | tracer | Yeah, google.com will work |
| 23:07.17 | Tony2 | one of our users keeps sending mail to a spamcop spamtrap, how can I find out which user is is and/or the spamcop secret spam trap? |
| 23:07.28 | streuner | llama32: works here too |
| 23:07.31 | Karnaugh | dpkg: explain to everyone that Google's DNS is down and they can use any of the following http://216.239.37.99/, http://216.239.39.99/, http://216.239.57.99/ |
| 23:07.42 | Karnaugh | google.com doesnt work here.. |
| 23:07.53 | daft | google.com and google.nl works for me |
| 23:08.03 | Slyboots | Meh forget it, I found a Deb package |
| 23:08.06 | Tony2 | http://www.google.co.uk |
| 23:08.12 | llama32 | google.com.au works for me |
| 23:08.19 | Tony2 | or http://www.google.de works also |
| 23:08.42 | norton | google.com doesnt work in firefox because it seems it appends a www. at the beginning before resolving. |
| 23:08.43 | pingouin | fuck google ! use http://www.mozdex.com/ ;) |
| 23:08.45 | tracer | Hehe, google went down, that funny, its going to send shockwaves through the world |
| 23:08.46 | valdyn | googles dns is back up |
| 23:08.47 | atrus | www.google.com seems to be working again |
| 23:08.49 | Esaj | it probably varies depending on what your dns server knows about |
| 23:08.55 | dondelelcaro | eh? their DNS servers are working just fine. |
| 23:09.00 | daft | norton: i use firefox and it works |
| 23:09.14 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: didnt for like 5 minutes |
| 23:09.14 | beowu1f | prock there's a small prob. cant install maya with -g option ... are there any other command line debuggers? |
| 23:09.22 | jazzmans | join #google |
| 23:09.27 | norton | daft: oh, ok.. |
| 23:09.37 | tracer | pingoin: is mozdex better than google? |
| 23:09.42 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: there are 4 of them, and 3 out of 4 are working. |
| 23:09.43 | Esaj | I wonder how much revenue they lost :) |
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| 23:10.03 | Karnaugh | your defenition of "works" is the reason we have such crap software around |
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| 23:10.17 | llama32 | norton: works in my firefox (1.0.2) |
| 23:10.25 | Esotericisms | anyone know of a light httpd server with php support? |
| 23:10.28 | streuner | Karanugh: haha |
| 23:10.31 | tracer | llama32: its back up now i think |
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| 23:10.38 | tracer | What is the port I should pick when setting up the xserver for a USB mouse? |
| 23:10.47 | dondelelcaro | if your dns server is so lame that it can't handle a a ttl > 300 and/or people don't use google within that timeframe it's your own lookout. |
| 23:10.48 | resiak | !devinputmice |
| 23:10.49 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 23:10.50 | tracer | is it /input/mouse? |
| 23:11.19 | tracer | thanks |
| 23:11.58 | tracer | i did |
| 23:12.03 | Esotericisms | anyone know of a light httpd server with php support? |
| 23:12.05 | tracer | for a second |
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| 23:12.15 | Karnaugh | dondelelcaro: uh, their DNS servers return a blank A record, so I'm not sure what you're on about |
| 23:12.29 | dondelelcaro | Karnaugh: google.com. 300 IN A 216.239.39.99 |
| 23:12.31 | tracer | i used ifconfig and dhclient, and still nothing, freaked me out |
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| 23:12.39 | dondelelcaro | Karnaugh: SERVER: 216.239.34.10#53(216.239.34.10) |
| 23:12.53 | Karnaugh | dondelelcaro: where did you query that from? |
| 23:13.02 | tracer | local ISP DNS prolly |
| 23:13.16 | dondelelcaro | Karnaugh: from ns2.google.com |
| 23:13.22 | scotth | I'm cureious, what is the best way to assemble a raid fron a drive that used to be in a raid(on another install) and a drive that you just partitioned? Is there any way to do this and get the original raid data back? Its a raid1 |
| 23:13.39 | Gnea | heh |
| 23:13.39 | dondelelcaro | ns3.google.com is dead, apparently, but that's why there are 3 other DNS servers. |
| 23:13.49 | Gnea | you know, google *is* back up right now |
| 23:14.16 | Karnaugh | Gnea: what if your upstream DNS cached an NXDOMAIN ? |
| 23:14.22 | tracer | Wow, I get to say I was on when google went down (a bit) |
| 23:14.25 | prock | Gnea then try going to news.google.com |
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| 23:14.56 | Gnea | i see |
| 23:15.01 | Gnea | looks bad |
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| 23:15.12 | prock | come on /. ... do your job :( |
| 23:15.17 | Gnea | rofl |
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| 23:15.37 | prock | google news will have this sooner than slashdot, just you wait and see |
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| 23:15.59 | borius | anyone else having problems getting to google and gmail? |
| 23:16.14 | mccbaka | it went down for a few minutes, then it went back up. for me at least. |
| 23:16.14 | gass | borius: yes ... seems no dns |
| 23:16.23 | borius | gass: it resolves when I ping |
| 23:16.26 | benjamindees | borius, hit refresh, it's working for most people now |
| 23:16.28 | jez | so this is what the end of the world is like |
| 23:16.34 | tracer | yes, it is |
| 23:16.44 | tracer | we will all die of mental starvation |
| 23:16.56 | tracer | people will be lost, never again be able to find what they are seeking |
| 23:17.11 | tracer | the internet will become a wasteland |
| 23:17.31 | gass | borius: humm ... http server mainteinence |
| 23:17.36 | tracer | hehe prock, to many hits at once? |
| 23:17.42 | borius | still can't get to gmail |
| 23:17.53 | borius | this is teh suck |
| 23:17.58 | chealer | streuner: I'm thinking about compiling gentoo |
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| 23:18.14 | streuner | chealer: google is up again... |
| 23:18.21 | prock | chealer: go for it, you'll have a lot of time to think |
| 23:18.22 | streuner | chealer: ;-) |
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| 23:19.16 | prock | somebody probably put a # instead of a ; in their nameserver config |
| 23:19.40 | borius | yes! it works |
| 23:19.41 | borius | teh good |
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| 23:19.50 | Esotericisms | anyone know of a light httpd server with php support? |
| 23:19.56 | brenton | anyone know of a deb package for jdbc? |
| 23:20.09 | TwistedEmotions | Err... dumb question for you guys... anyone know how to install a printer and then share it over a network? |
| 23:20.11 | streuner | Esotericisms: what's wrong with apache? |
| 23:20.22 | jez | google news is still boned |
| 23:20.24 | fortran01 | Gmail is down. yahoo! |
| 23:20.34 | Kerr | google is back up. |
| 23:20.39 | Kerr | http://gmail.google.com/gmail |
| 23:20.41 | fatalblu_ | wow |
| 23:20.41 | prock | Esotericisms: apt-cache search http server php |
| 23:20.42 | Gnea | Kerr: not all the way |
| 23:20.46 | fatalblu_ | today will go down in history! |
| 23:20.51 | fatalblu_ | the day google went down |
| 23:20.54 | fatalblu_ | a freakn mazing |
| 23:21.01 | Gnea | hrm |
| 23:21.06 | Gnea | yeah gmail is up.. |
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| 23:21.18 | chealer | Esotericisms: what do you mean by light? |
| 23:21.29 | streuner | FieldSnutz: don't say google is down |
| 23:21.36 | streuner | FieldSnuts: don't say google is down |
| 23:21.41 | fatalblu_ | Google is down! |
| 23:21.49 | fatalblu_ | Google went down harder than your mom! |
| 23:21.50 | prock | do you think google's downtime wila |
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| 23:21.56 | TwistedEmotions | GMail is down.. |
| 23:22.00 | prock | ... will show up on google news |
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| 23:22.03 | fatalblu_ | lol |
| 23:22.08 | ldexter | google is down town |
| 23:22.14 | fatalblu_ | i'm waiting for the slashdot story |
| 23:22.17 | fortran01 | sorry just the dns, theyre switching |
| 23:22.23 | ldexter | google is not down |
| 23:22.32 | TwistedEmotions | google works fine.. |
| 23:22.36 | fatalblu_ | google news is |
| 23:22.38 | rave | its back up now |
| 23:22.39 | ldexter | you're probably having connectivity problems |
| 23:22.42 | jez | the other 50% is people saying "google works fine" and "stfu" |
| 23:22.45 | ldexter | do a traceroute |
| 23:22.49 | ldexter | google news isn't |
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| 23:22.53 | rave | well in fact your right about the 50% |
| 23:22.54 | chealer | jez: freenode arranged with google so they could get a peak number of users |
| 23:22.56 | gratuit | j #ubuntu |
| 23:23.05 | fatalblu_ | lol |
| 23:23.07 | jez | chealer: lol |
| 23:23.10 | mccbaka | google news is working. |
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| 23:23.15 | bbrazil | jez: I think its a lot higher |
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| 23:23.30 | tracer | Out of curiosity, is there a window manager out their that looks exactly like Windows? |
| 23:23.37 | bbrazil | jez: on the otherhand about 20% is people say its back up |
| 23:23.42 | evilgod692 | guys have u all had alook @ www.hackiis6.com? free xbox if u do hack it :D |
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| 23:23.56 | TwistedEmotions | tracer: yeah.. windows |
| 23:24.00 | streuner | tracer: GNOME and KDE |
| 23:24.02 | MikeH | hi guys, I have debian64 installed, I have a asus A8V motherboard, now my windows drives are in raid0 on the promise controller, im guessing its semi-software raid as linux shows them as 2 devices |
| 23:24.10 | fatalblu_ | and google news is down biotch |
| 23:24.13 | MikeH | is there anyway I can mount partitions from the raid array? |
| 23:24.14 | fatalblu_ | clear your cache |
| 23:24.23 | FieldySnuts | "biotch"? |
| 23:24.27 | FieldySnuts | what is this, #rap ? |
| 23:24.35 | fatalblu_ | you forgot the c |
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| 23:24.42 | fatalblu_ | and if you say rapc i'm going to punch you |
| 23:24.50 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 23:24.50 | FieldySnuts | @lart fatalblu_ |
| 23:24.50 | prock | lol |
| 23:24.53 | FieldySnuts | brb |
| 23:24.53 | chealer | it looks like freenode will peak 25000 in 1 week or 2 |
| 23:24.55 | tracer | Hehe twisted, but, is there a way to customise, like say, Gnome to look like windows? |
| 23:25.19 | fatalblu_ | i want java desktop on debian, i dont know why i just do |
| 23:25.21 | TwistedEmotions | fatalblu_, you seem angry |
| 23:25.24 | fatalblu_ | lol |
| 23:25.26 | prock | aaaaaand slashdot still doesn't have a story |
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| 23:25.37 | fatalblu_ | i wanted an excuse to donkeypunch someone |
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| 23:25.49 | prock | tracer: nothing does it quite as badly |
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| 23:26.03 | tracer | prock: hehe, ok, thanks |
| 23:26.17 | TwistedEmotions | tracer, yeah there are buttloads of skins out there... and im sure there is something that can look like Windows... but NOTHING can mimik the Blue Screens... NOTHING I SAY! |
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| 23:27.00 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: xscreensaver |
| 23:27.02 | TwistedEmotions | <dead silence?> |
| 23:27.21 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz, but that doesnt give a error does it? |
| 23:27.32 | tracer | make the kernel panic when it does |
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| 23:27.54 | tracer | so when the xscreensaver comes up, wait 4 secs then kernel panic... |
| 23:27.55 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: xscreensaver does have a module that actually is a win32 crashscreen |
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| 23:28.03 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 23:28.11 | tracer | where is it? |
| 23:28.16 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz, does it really? LoL... does it init 6 after? |
| 23:28.22 | shingouz | Yes it does |
| 23:28.27 | tracer | haha |
| 23:28.32 | tracer | where can i find it |
| 23:28.32 | shingouz | uhh.. No init 6 in anycase ;) |
| 23:28.33 | tracer | ? |
| 23:28.48 | resiak | "Java Desktop" ? |
| 23:28.48 | shingouz | tracer: Just look into the modules, it is somewhere there |
| 23:28.55 | tracer | cool |
| 23:28.56 | fatalblu_ | yeah suns little desktop |
| 23:29.05 | resiak | fatalblu_: ...on Debian? |
| 23:29.14 | tracer | The sun desktop makes my eyes bleed |
| 23:29.19 | fatalblu_ | yeah, i know it's sick and twisted but it gets me off |
| 23:29.21 | resiak | fatalblu_: You do realise that Java Desktop is just a skinned Gnome or KDE? (I forget which.) |
| 23:29.39 | fatalblu_ | call me crazy but i like the idea |
| 23:30.16 | compmuseum | tried it. it's a nice gnome desktop |
| 23:30.21 | Kerr | isn't offering prizes for hacking against the law? |
| 23:30.29 | MikeH | anyone here use a A8V? |
| 23:30.36 | tracer | Kerr, not if its your site |
| 23:30.37 | resiak | fatalblu_: What idea? |
| 23:31.02 | fatalblu_ | sun java desktop + debian |
| 23:31.08 | tracer | = ghey |
| 23:31.17 | tracer | but, i have to try it |
| 23:31.19 | tracer | ... |
| 23:31.20 | TwistedEmotions | fatalblu_, Err... lets not talk about what gets you off and we'll call it a good gay :) |
| 23:31.40 | fatalblu_ | freudian slip eh |
| 23:31.41 | tarzeau | fatalblu_: gives me eye cancer |
| 23:31.43 | tracer | yup |
| 23:31.48 | tarzeau | tracer: tried livecd.gnustep.org yet? |
| 23:32.00 | MikeH | fatalblu_: is sun java desktop out yet? |
| 23:32.03 | tarzeau | sun should release the sources of the lighthouse design apps |
| 23:32.08 | tarzeau | MikeH: it sucks |
| 23:32.11 | fatalblu_ | its available on solaris 10 |
| 23:32.23 | MikeH | it does? oh :| i remember reading about it about a year ago |
| 23:32.25 | tarzeau | fatalblu_: it's ugly |
| 23:32.26 | MikeH | it looked really good :( |
| 23:32.29 | fatalblu_ | bah |
| 23:32.30 | primoz | http://www.gigaom.com/2005/05/07/google-hacked/ |
| 23:32.31 | primoz | ;) |
| 23:32.31 | fatalblu_ | i liked it |
| 23:32.37 | tarzeau | MikeH: it only runs on 64bit sparc |
| 23:32.37 | resiak | fatalblu_: Sun Java Desktop is just Goneme or KDE! |
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| 23:32.44 | tarzeau | gnome and kde sucks |
| 23:32.45 | resiak | fatalblu_: ...isn't it? |
| 23:33.08 | fatalblu_ | its pretty much just gnome which is what i'm using now |
| 23:33.23 | resiak | fatalblu_: So what exactly are you wanting? |
| 23:34.07 | fatalblu_ | probably the most painful of lobotomys |
| 23:34.11 | tracer | Where can you get skins for gnome? |
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| 23:34.27 | llama32 | grrr i hate segfaults... my program keeps giving errors as it's exiting (after any code in main()), segfaults, "Aborted." grrr |
| 23:34.28 | resiak | tracer: Teh intarweb? |
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| 23:34.38 | streuner | tracer: themes? art(s).gnome.org |
| 23:34.40 | P8ntKid | what is the comand to reset you time and date |
| 23:34.53 | streuner | tracer: kde-look.org |
| 23:35.03 | tracer | cool |
| 23:35.06 | MikeH | tarzeau: what happened to the x86 version then? |
| 23:35.07 | llama32 | tracer: apt-cache search gtk engine (if you want like different looking buttons etc.) |
| 23:35.16 | tarzeau | MikeH: that is the worst nightmare ever |
| 23:35.24 | streuner | tracer: apt-cache search gnome themes |
| 23:35.27 | P8ntKid | What is the comand to reset you time and date with the internet? |
| 23:35.28 | brenton | anyone know of a deb package for jdbc? |
| 23:35.30 | tarzeau | MikeH: and x86 is like ewwww |
| 23:35.45 | MikeH | tarzeau: I'll take your word for it |
| 23:35.52 | MikeH | tarzeau: what do you use? :| |
| 23:35.57 | drivamgr2005 | sorry about being rude in here the other night. someone suggested coming in here and saying nasty things about debian. i got a temp ban for it, and i apologise for trashing your os. i shouldnt trash what i never tried. |
| 23:36.00 | llama32 | gnome is ok but its too slow... xfce4 + rox = perfection, well as perfect as possible within X11 |
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| 23:36.20 | streuner | tracer: /msg dpkg window manager |
| 23:36.24 | tarzeau | MikeH: http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 23:36.32 | tarzeau | MikeH: actually i also use OPENSTEP, still |
| 23:36.42 | tarzeau | llama32: it's horrible to use |
| 23:36.54 | tarzeau | llama32: thing is x11 is nightmare too |
| 23:37.03 | compmuseum | using xfce here on my sgi o2 |
| 23:37.18 | tarzeau | compmuseum: linux on your o2? |
| 23:37.23 | tarzeau | compmuseum: mine is a r10k :( |
| 23:37.25 | MikeH | hooooover! |
| 23:37.26 | MikeH | :D |
| 23:37.32 | Phated | drivamgr2005: ... You randomly came in to abuse a channel... based on a suggestion? |
| 23:37.35 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know what apt-get what? to install plugin for firefox so it can play wmv files? |
| 23:37.42 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: moo |
| 23:37.55 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau, your going to hell |
| 23:37.55 | mutek | latlog driva |
| 23:37.59 | fatalblu_ | wow |
| 23:38.00 | fatalblu_ | harsh |
| 23:38.03 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: apt-get moo |
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| 23:38.16 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau, I was kidding... but no |
| 23:38.22 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: there no free software to play wmv |
| 23:38.29 | compmuseum | yes sarge on my r5k |
| 23:38.39 | llama32 | tarzaeu: xfce4/rox or gnome? i assume gnome, its great to use - i love the panels' configurability, but nautilus is a little slow compared to rox (and not many real extra features unless u use cd burning a lot or something, except for more thumbnails, but rox can use thumbnail plugins anyway) |
| 23:38.44 | mutek | Phated: wow - some people are easily lead. Or pushed. Or something. |
| 23:38.51 | tarzeau | llama32: i hate gnome (to use)$ |
| 23:39.02 | Phated | mutek: Evidently. |
| 23:39.04 | jez | TwistedEmotions: I think if you install w32codecs and gxine it'll work... not sure |
| 23:39.06 | drivamgr2005 | I am relatively new to IRC. Someone was telling me about getting banned and I asked what kind of things will do it. He said go to #debian and say "(not repeated)" and see what happens. So I did. |
| 23:39.06 | tarzeau | llama32: nautilus is slow as hell (not just a little) |
| 23:39.13 | compmuseum | with x at 1280x1024@15bit color |
| 23:39.14 | drivamgr2005 | And what he said would happen, did. |
| 23:39.15 | TwistedEmotions | jaz: Thanks |
| 23:39.20 | chealer | TwistedEmotions: did you try mozilla-plugin-vlc? |
| 23:39.25 | mutek | drivamgr2005: so you learnt..? |
| 23:39.27 | streuner | llama32: try gentoo |
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| 23:39.40 | fatalblu_ | damn ricers |
| 23:39.40 | streuner | !info gentoo |
| 23:39.43 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sid), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 23:39.47 | chealer | TwistedEmotions: it's all a question of WMV3 or not |
| 23:39.51 | fatalblu_ | ah |
| 23:39.51 | fatalblu_ | nm |
| 23:39.53 | fatalblu_ | heh |
| 23:39.55 | streuner | hehe |
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| 23:40.02 | llama32 | streuner: i like my file manager without two panels |
| 23:40.02 | fatalblu_ | the GOOD gentoo |
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| 23:40.16 | llama32 | panes, whatever theyre called |
| 23:40.19 | streuner | strange, most people don't know gentoo file manager |
| 23:40.19 | fatalblu_ | what's wrong with nautilus? it's been pimpin for me since i switched to it |
| 23:40.26 | drivamgr2005 | That I shouldnt say what appear to be innocuous things about things I dont understand. I can get banned pretty quickly for the most basic things mutek. Politeness costs nothing. Thats what I learned! |
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| 23:40.30 | tarzeau | llama32: i like mc |
| 23:40.30 | Mix`yxul | Meep. |
| 23:40.31 | Mix`yxul | :< |
| 23:40.34 | Fluten | !gentoosmite mozilla |
| 23:40.36 | Delph | if you've ever read the new maintainers guide, you learn about gentoo. |
| 23:40.51 | streuner | llama32: best thing ever created 'norton clone' |
| 23:40.56 | mutek | drivamgr2005: haha- fair enough. |
| 23:40.58 | resiak | drivamgr2005: Thanks for having the decency to apologise. :-) |
| 23:41.04 | llama32 | tarzeau: bloat, and no pretty graphics... its good though |
| 23:41.15 | tarzeau | llama32: GWorkspace.app ? |
| 23:41.19 | fatalblu_ | !gentoosmite kde |
| 23:41.26 | tarzeau | llama32: i don't think mc is bloat |
| 23:41.29 | drivamgr2005 | Yw. I think it was someone called Catfish who nailed me... |
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| 23:41.45 | resiak | tarzeau: What's your opinion on the floating menu stuffs? |
| 23:41.50 | Phated | caphuso, more likely, he's an op. |
| 23:41.57 | tarzeau | resiak: they are perfect |
| 23:42.09 | tarzeau | resiak: actually you can have them offscreen and use the rmb context menu |
| 23:42.26 | mutek | drivamgr2005: don't piss off caphuso - he's been around longer than a stable release of debian... |
| 23:42.29 | tarzeau | resiak: way better than menus in a app window or on top (os x) |
| 23:42.34 | mutek | :-) |
| 23:42.44 | resiak | tarzeau: *shrug* Ah, we've discussed this before, I think. They don't really play nicely with point-to-focus. What's wrong with in the window? |
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| 23:43.15 | Fluten | !botsnack |
| 23:43.15 | dpkg | thanks, Fluten |
| 23:43.50 | daft | How can i "savely" mount a nfs root over the internet |
| 23:44.12 | mutek | daft: perhaps you could forward the nfs ports over ssh? |
| 23:44.21 | tarzeau | resiak: windows like |
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| 23:44.40 | tarzeau | resiak: try edit a text with different fonts and colors (for each letter) |
| 23:44.42 | daft | mutante: yep but then i already need a root |
| 23:44.48 | llama32 | tarzeau: gworkspace SUCKS... its the main reason i stopped using gnustep, its bloody useless... i like the overall design of the viewer, with the current directory's path represented as icons up the top, but other than that, its not worth the time it takes to open |
| 23:44.49 | tarzeau | resiak: detachable menus are good. |
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| 23:45.08 | daft | oeps i ment mutek |
| 23:45.09 | resiak | tarzeau: I'm sorry, I don't get how different fonts and colours for each letters are relevant to detached menus. |
| 23:45.10 | tarzeau | resiak: for the focus follows mouse/autoraise there's mainmenu offscreen mode that you can use |
| 23:45.21 | mutek | daft: ok |
| 23:45.32 | tarzeau | resiak: if you have that settings in a sub-sub-sub menu like it's with openoffice.org or microsoft word |
| 23:45.38 | tarzeau | resiak: you will get it |
| 23:45.49 | resiak | tarzeau: I have detachable GTK+ menus :-) |
| 23:45.59 | tarzeau | llama32: i agree on GWorkspace, it's very buggy |
| 23:46.10 | tarzeau | llama32: if you had tried Workspace (the original) that's way much better |
| 23:46.13 | daft | I think I make a verry limited readonly from eveyr where root to mount a ssh capable mashine and then ssh tunnel to the real one |
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| 23:46.41 | tracer | How do you install rox for use with xfce? |
| 23:46.52 | TwistedEmotions | trying to connect to streaming WMV files.. got... : apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc... anyone know if I need another package or something becuase now its not saying "No Picture"... before was just a plugin picture.. |
| 23:47.19 | tarzeau | llama32: the original Workspace is always loaded and there. and doesn't take time to be loaded (well it's different with GWorkspace= |
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| 23:48.03 | jez | TwistedEmotions: got w32codecs installed? I'm guessing you'll need that though i've never tried what you're doing |
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| 23:48.06 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: tried mplayer plugin ? |
| 23:48.11 | tabris|away | TwistedEmotions: fyi, mplayer does streaming stuff... |
| 23:48.25 | TwistedEmotions | errr... no I will try all 3 |
| 23:48.29 | TwistedEmotions | thanks |
| 23:48.33 | FieldySnuts | to do wmv it'll also need win32codecs or w32codecs or whatever it's called |
| 23:48.38 | jez | TwistedEmotions: It's in the marillat repository |
| 23:49.08 | TwistedEmotions | apt-cache search marillat |
| 23:49.09 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 23:49.15 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: no |
| 23:49.23 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: man 5 sources.list |
| 23:49.43 | llama32 | tracer: same way as you would install rox. the instructions suck, but theres an address you add to apt's sources.list and you can just apt-get it, or you can compile from source if you have the headers and stuff needed. i wouldnt advise using rox-session. |
| 23:49.46 | jez | TwistedEmotions: http://debian.video.free.fr |
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| 23:50.36 | jez | TwistedEmotions: add one of those repositories to your sources.list then apt-get update and apt-get install w32codecs |
| 23:51.09 | TwistedEmotions | jez thanks |
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| 23:51.46 | TwistedEmotions | errr... Where is sources file aagain? |
| 23:52.00 | TwistedEmotions | found it |
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| 23:52.55 | JeffWilson12 | A friend of mine told me that debian sarge becomes stable on May 30th -- I don't assume I need to actually upgrade my entire system by getting the disks and stuff, right? The apt-get dist-upgrade feature will upgrade the system for me? |
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| 23:53.09 | jez | JeffWilson12: yep |
| 23:53.21 | JeffWilson12 | jez: Thank you :) |
| 23:53.21 | hugo | does intel p4 allow freq scaling? |
| 23:53.26 | bucky | !d-i JeffWilson12 |
| 23:53.27 | dpkg | JeffWilson12, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 23:53.56 | Wyzard | JeffWilson12: The 30th is an *estimated* release date, btw... not a set-in-stone deadline |
| 23:54.00 | hugo | what debian packages do I need to adapt the cpu freq to the cpu load, dynamically? |
| 23:54.34 | Wyzard | hugo: cpufreqd or powernowd or acpid (I think) or one of several other daemons that handle that |
| 23:54.45 | JeffWilson12 | Wyzard: Alright ... I kinda thought so ... :) I couldn't find news of this everywhere; I assume that's why I was just referred to the debian-installer paeg. |
| 23:54.57 | hugo | powernowd is for amd I guess |
| 23:55.00 | Wyzard | hugo: cpudyn is another |
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| 23:55.33 | Wyzard | hugo: Not *specifically* for AMD... it uses the kernel's frequency-control interface, so it'll work for any frequency-control feature the kernel supports |
| 23:55.37 | hugo | Wyzard: Know any of those? Ever used one? Does a normal p4 actually support freq scaling? |
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| 23:56.15 | Wyzard | hugo: No idea whether a normal P4 supports it... I've only used frequency scaling on my P3 laptop |
| 23:56.19 | hugo | I have 2.6 kernel by the way |
| 23:56.35 | hugo | with which package? |
| 23:57.06 | JeffWilson12 | Hmm ... is there a way I can see what packages need upgrading without actually performing the upgrade? I want to run a cron script daily to tell me what packages are out of date. |
| 23:57.55 | bucky | apt-get -s upgrade |
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| 23:58.31 | JeffWilson12 | bucky: Thank you. Is it necessary to run apt-get clean && apt-get update before I run this, to ensure that all the new packages needed are listed? |
| 23:58.49 | jez | apt-get update is necessary, clean is not |
| 23:58.57 | bucky | update would be a good idea |
| 23:59.10 | JeffWilson12 | alright. thanks. |
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