| 00:00.00 | verbose | to see if the cable modem works? |
| 00:00.26 | gartt | Same result- ncftp still says refusing to run with writable anon root |
| 00:00.30 | verbose | i will be able to install 1009 packages from the cd so that should suffice |
| 00:00.36 | verbose | but i wonder if my modem will work |
| 00:01.12 | asdfdito | hola |
| 00:01.12 | dfzi | gartt, totally wicked. how about you make /var/ftp and then chmod -Rv 777 /var/ftp |
| 00:01.33 | dfzi | gartt, sorry 775 |
| 00:01.40 | gartt | dfzi: Yeah, I was thinking about that b/c the vsftpd manual mentioned /var/ftp |
| 00:01.51 | dfzi | gartt, b/c :E |
| 00:01.55 | dfzi | ? :E |
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| 00:02.38 | smurp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.47 | verbose | ok.. any suggestions? |
| 00:02.51 | smurp | verbose: you will NOT regret it |
| 00:02.53 | verbose | i can look in the linux cookbook |
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| 00:02.55 | verbose | but.. |
| 00:02.56 | verbose | ok |
| 00:03.03 | verbose | plus, i'd like to see if the modem works |
| 00:03.10 | verbose | i'll go get my book |
| 00:03.13 | gartt | OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable anonymous root |
| 00:03.17 | gartt | Same results :S |
| 00:03.45 | verbose | got it |
| 00:03.57 | TwistedEmotions | whats the default CUPS username/passwd? |
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| 00:04.50 | verbose | found some mirros |
| 00:04.51 | TwistedEmotions | gartt, how do i get regular user to login via vsftpd? |
| 00:04.53 | verbose | mirrors* |
| 00:05.16 | dfzi | gartt, have you #:ed anon_upload_enable |
| 00:05.25 | dfzi | gartt, on vsftpd |
| 00:05.34 | gartt | I should comment it? |
| 00:05.34 | verbose | i will add these to sources.lst |
| 00:05.57 | gartt | TwistedEmotions: I'm not sure, sorry. I don't wanna tell you the wrong thing |
| 00:06.02 | dfzi | gartt, hmm... try anon_upload_enable=NO |
| 00:06.22 | Shorty` | what's the "proper" way to export a linux desktop to a windows machine these days? |
| 00:06.24 | dfzi | gartt, it's against all logical rules, but give it a shot |
| 00:06.25 | gartt | anon_upload_enable=YES |
| 00:06.35 | verbose | should i use non-free software? |
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| 00:06.44 | dfzi | gartt, ye. change it to NO, then /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart and shoot |
| 00:07.02 | verbose | i would prefer to only use free software |
| 00:07.04 | verbose | gpl |
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| 00:07.17 | verbose | but it the linux cookbook it includes non-free |
| 00:07.44 | benjamindees | Shorty`, by installing linux over windows |
| 00:07.51 | gartt | Nah, same results :| |
| 00:07.59 | smurp | verbose: idealism is a private matter :-) |
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| 00:08.11 | verbose | what do you recommend, smurp? |
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| 00:08.14 | verbose | ah |
| 00:08.14 | Shorty` | benjamindees, work machine .. be practical. |
| 00:08.14 | verbose | ok |
| 00:08.15 | mwilson | verbose: You should use whatever you need to use to get the job you're trying to do done. |
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| 00:08.32 | mwilson | verbose: If that's non-free, well, so be it. |
| 00:08.34 | verbose | what are some of programs in non-free? |
| 00:08.49 | verbose | -of |
| 00:09.06 | smurp | verbose: I don't know ... but they all stink |
| 00:09.17 | verbose | oh ok..and that's my answer |
| 00:09.18 | dfzi | gartt, well.. i've got one last chance. try chmod -Rv 666 /yourftpdir |
| 00:09.21 | verbose | thanks |
| 00:09.26 | verbose | i could look i guess |
| 00:09.59 | symtab | hello...i dont use debian, but i'm curios is there a method to get, the control information from a .deb package(whith ar x i can get data.tar.gz, but control.tar.gz doesnt contain anyting)? |
| 00:10.21 | gartt | lol dfzi: Didn't work, but thanks a lot for your time- when I do get it running, I'll tell you what worked |
| 00:10.26 | gartt | Thanks a lot for the help |
| 00:10.40 | smurp | verbose: ofcoz' ... but in terms of quality free and not-free doesn't mean a thing ... it's just a different development model |
| 00:10.55 | verbose | oh |
| 00:11.04 | dfzi | gartt, don't thank since i didn't avail you anyhow... :D |
| 00:11.24 | dfzi | gartt, anyway. try googling, i did and many fellas have been having same probs. |
| 00:11.36 | gartt | Well, your time is worth the thanks |
| 00:11.46 | verbose | http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/testing/non-free/binary-i386/Packages... just scanning...nothing looks all that great |
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| 00:12.12 | verbose | i can always install non-free packages later on if i want |
| 00:12.14 | dfzi | gartt, http://anubis.uji.es/doc/vsftpd-1.2.1/FAQ |
| 00:12.16 | verbose | not now though |
| 00:12.28 | guilhermee | when debian goes to use xorg |
| 00:12.31 | dfzi | gartt, fourth question |
| 00:12.32 | guilhermee | ? |
| 00:12.45 | TwistedEmotions | how do i access swat? |
| 00:12.48 | verbose | what about contrib? |
| 00:12.52 | TwistedEmotions | guilhermee, never |
| 00:12.54 | daraknor | This is such a noob question, but which package do I change to set keyboard mapping to dvorak? |
| 00:12.58 | verbose | supposedly it sometimes requires non-free packages to work |
| 00:13.01 | gartt | Alright |
| 00:13.45 | verbose | i'm just going to install non-free |
| 00:13.47 | guilhermee | TwistedEmotions, do you know why ? |
| 00:13.51 | smurp | verbose: do whatever feels right you can change it laters |
| 00:13.52 | symtab | ok...thanks anyway |
| 00:13.53 | verbose | and that's that |
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| 00:13.58 | verbose | yep, smurp |
| 00:14.00 | verbose | exactly |
| 00:14.20 | verbose | yes! chugging away |
| 00:14.30 | verbose | YES! |
| 00:14.55 | verbose | 15000+ packages, holy toledo |
| 00:15.12 | verbose | should i really install of these packages? |
| 00:15.13 | verbose | geez |
| 00:15.22 | verbose | the packages file is 12.5mb |
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| 00:15.40 | verbose | i wonder how much space that is going to consume |
| 00:16.15 | daraknor | This is such a noob question, but which package do I reconfigure to set keyboard mapping to dvorak? |
| 00:16.17 | verbose | all of this would go under /usr, correct? |
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| 00:17.01 | shingouz_ | verbose: /var |
| 00:17.05 | toresbe | daraknor: hey |
| 00:17.05 | daraknor | verbose: debian tightly follows the Filesystem Hierarchical Standard |
| 00:17.16 | verbose | oh |
| 00:17.18 | toresbe | daraknor: well, you don't need a package at all |
| 00:17.28 | toresbe | just need the xmodmap package or KB layout |
| 00:17.31 | verbose | supposedly you can use 'kbdconfig' as root? |
| 00:17.44 | verbose | daraknor |
| 00:17.48 | shingouz_ | verbose: I think you are talking about where apt dumps the files, I am too lazy to scroll up this time ;) |
| 00:17.57 | verbose | shingouz_ /var? |
| 00:18.09 | verbose | this is where it installs the packages? |
| 00:18.12 | shingouz_ | verbose: That is where apt stores the files |
| 00:18.17 | smurp | verbose: just i9nstall the packages YOU need ... if it doesn't make sensen it doesn't make sense |
| 00:18.17 | verbose | my var dir is 1.5gb |
| 00:18.32 | shingouz_ | verbose: The install is whereever the packages need to be installed |
| 00:18.44 | smurp | verbose: that's just fine for a pewrsonal system |
| 00:18.46 | verbose | well, i'm downloading all main packages |
| 00:18.56 | smurp | all? |
| 00:19.11 | shingouz_ | verbose: Not really, not until you *install* them, you just get the names and versions basically |
| 00:19.18 | verbose | ah |
| 00:19.36 | shingouz_ | verbose: You are not trying to set up your own mirror are you? |
| 00:19.45 | daraknor | kbdconfig not found, I thought I could change the layout that I specified at install with dpkg --reconfigure [somepackage]. Xmodmap I have, but I need to look at it for dvorak |
| 00:19.49 | verbose | so, it makes a list of all files under /var and then it installs into /usr? |
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| 00:20.09 | verbose | i'm using ftp.debian.org / main |
| 00:20.23 | shingouz_ | verbose: That is pretty much it, yes. Not quite that simple but for this case we can assume yes |
| 00:20.44 | verbose | i was actually thinking about creating my own apt-get mirror but i might not |
| 00:21.02 | verbose | i guess i'll just add the 15000+ packages |
| 00:21.23 | TwistedEmotions | do i need apache for swat? |
| 00:21.29 | shingouz_ | verbose: I am not quite sure where that stuff would really go but I suspect it would be under /var/cache/apt iirc |
| 00:21.43 | verbose | ah |
| 00:21.45 | verbose | caches it |
| 00:21.58 | cinix | like special weapons and tactics? |
| 00:22.00 | cinix | :-P |
| 00:22.01 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz, do i need apache for swat? |
| 00:22.01 | verbose | should i continue, then? |
| 00:22.04 | cinix | prob not |
| 00:22.12 | smurp | verbose: have some trust man :-) ... |
| 00:22.17 | shingouz_ | verbose: Unless you have multiple computers and a real slow connection there you do not really need a personal mirror. For day-to-day use just getting the stuff off the internet is way good enough |
| 00:22.19 | TwistedEmotions | cinix, its not running though |
| 00:22.27 | smurp | verbose: the default install is just fine |
| 00:22.29 | shingouz_ | TwistedEmotions: no idea |
| 00:22.40 | verbose | yeh, i was just thinking it would be cool to create my own mirror |
| 00:22.50 | verbose | you are right |
| 00:22.54 | verbose | my connection is no longer slow |
| 00:22.56 | shingouz_ | verbose: Cool but not necessarily practical |
| 00:22.59 | verbose | i will continue then |
| 00:23.02 | verbose | yeh |
| 00:23.04 | daraknor | Samba Web admin tool doesn't have apache as a depends |
| 00:23.23 | verbose | i just saw something about it at debianplanet.net at one point |
| 00:23.35 | verbose | but i probably won't go through with it... |
| 00:23.37 | mwilson | daraknor: I'd hope so, since it doesn't have any use or need for Apache. |
| 00:23.49 | verbose | i will move on then |
| 00:24.09 | verbose | that was fast |
| 00:24.20 | daraknor | mwilson: was answering TwistedEmotions |
| 00:24.27 | verbose | i'm installing the packages now |
| 00:24.45 | TwistedEmotions | daraknor, but i cant seem to access it. |
| 00:24.55 | verbose | i have a list of debian software sections |
| 00:24.56 | verbose | now |
| 00:24.56 | shingouz_ | verbose: If you have only one computer there running Debian you still need to download the stuff once. Not much of a difference if you install it at the same time or d/l it to your computer and install from there. Many computers is another thing of course, a 100Mbps lan is a lot faster than any internet connection normal mortals have |
| 00:25.01 | daraknor | TwistedEmotions: is it started, and what port is it listening to? |
| 00:25.15 | TwistedEmotions | daraknor, i dont know. netstat wont show |
| 00:25.15 | verbose | eg: desktop environment |
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| 00:25.28 | verbose | is there where i siphon out what packages i want to install? |
| 00:25.39 | verbose | this* |
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| 00:25.51 | shingouz_ | verbose: The Debian repository has it all, just apt-get install the stuff you need |
| 00:26.17 | verbose | i've selected desktop environment, web server and manual packages |
| 00:26.32 | shingouz_ | verbose: You sure yo need the webserver? |
| 00:26.36 | verbose | i know |
| 00:26.38 | verbose | probably not |
| 00:26.42 | verbose | at least not sure yet |
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| 00:26.54 | verbose | so i'd probably just need desktop environ and manuals |
| 00:26.57 | TwistedEmotions | ubuntu, wrong channel |
| 00:27.07 | shingouz_ | verbose: If you are not sure about what you need, do not install it |
| 00:27.10 | verbose | i probably won't need any of the servers |
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| 00:27.17 | verbose | yep, good idea |
| 00:27.34 | verbose | i'm continuing |
| 00:27.45 | shingouz_ | verbose: You can always install it later very easily. Besides it is better to make the system bootable with minimal packages installed, less possible problems |
| 00:27.48 | verbose | i have a list of packages now |
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| 00:27.56 | verbose | yeh |
| 00:27.56 | ubuntu | y'a t'il 1 Francais?? MERCI!! |
| 00:28.01 | daraknor | So I still have this noob question without an answer. How do I switch my keyboard layout to dvorak? |
| 00:28.17 | shingouz_ | ubuntu: /join #ubuntu |
| 00:28.19 | gravity | !fr |
| 00:28.19 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:28.24 | verbose | packages being installed to satisfy dependencies |
| 00:28.31 | gravity | At least they can tell him to go to #ubuntu in French |
| 00:28.31 | verbose | 1.5 GB |
| 00:29.05 | shingouz_ | verbose: There you go, stuff being installed already. In no time you will have a real o/s running there |
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| 00:29.30 | verbose | yep |
| 00:29.36 | ubuntu | MERCI |
| 00:29.36 | verbose | do i type 'g' now? |
| 00:29.40 | verbose | to download |
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| 00:29.56 | smurp | ubuntu: trottoir |
| 00:30.09 | TwistedEmotions | is that hard to setup damn swat ? )= |
| 00:30.20 | verbose | 'g' to download and 'u' to update |
| 00:30.54 | verbose | i will hit 'g' now |
| 00:31.06 | daraknor | TwistedEmotions: No... but I have to update everything else... I think the port is localhost:9001 but I really don't remember. It has been 4 years since i installed it |
| 00:31.08 | verbose | here we go now |
| 00:31.19 | boazg | HELP! i've run debtakeover and i now have no symlinks to things (ld-linux.so, libc.so ...) i can't seem to do much |
| 00:31.20 | TwistedEmotions | daraknor, ok. let me try 9001 |
| 00:31.26 | verbose | connecting to ftp.debian.org |
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| 00:31.56 | verbose | has not done anything yet... will probably take awhile to read all the packages i'm assuming |
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| 00:32.11 | verbose | total progress: [0%] (stalled) |
| 00:32.21 | verbose | hmm |
| 00:32.22 | eggenz7 | i need some help with alsa....the alsa channel doesnt ever have anybody active in there |
| 00:32.30 | shingouz_ | bah. That sounds like a problem, verbose |
| 00:32.36 | verbose | this is starting to worry me... it's not doing anything |
| 00:32.40 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: Why not jsut ask? |
| 00:33.03 | eggenz7 | i just bought a new card...installed it...compiled the modules..but when i try to install the modules, i get a bunch of unknown symbol errors |
| 00:33.09 | verbose | ah, there it goes |
| 00:33.16 | verbose | will take 15min |
| 00:34.05 | boazg | how do i recover a system without libc ? |
| 00:34.19 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: You sure you installed the correct versions of the moules? If you are on 2.6 Alsa is already in the kernel so you do not need to compile any new modules in the first place |
| 00:34.47 | eggenz7 | im in 2.6 but when i tried to load the module that i needed, it said it wasnt found |
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| 00:35.23 | eggenz7 | so i downloaded the latest stable alsa packages... |
| 00:35.32 | eggenz7 | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Live+24bit.&chip=SB0410%2C+P17&module=ca0106 |
| 00:35.37 | eggenz7 | followed that page to the word |
| 00:35.54 | verbose | you guys have been so helpful |
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| 00:35.58 | verbose | i appreciate all of this |
| 00:36.15 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: Nice. You have just managed to screw up your system I think. apt-get install is the way to go, compiling from source is not a good idea most of the time |
| 00:36.41 | eggenz7 | so how would i recover? |
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| 00:37.45 | daraknor | I compiled kernel from source, and I'm running 2.6.11. I choose deprecated ogg as sound because I had problems configuring Alsa packages with alsa modules. |
| 00:37.59 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: From installing from pure non-debian source? That is tricky most of the time. Basically you jsut have to reverse the steps you took to install the stuff in the first place, look on the alsa website where you got the install instructions |
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| 00:38.26 | eggenz7 | i used make install |
| 00:38.31 | zirikili | hi all... when I try to run debmirror I get an "Release signature does not verify" error. the same command works fine on another box. what could be wrong? |
| 00:39.13 | boazg | eggenz7 in the future try chekinstall make install |
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| 00:39.22 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: Check the alsa website or the docs on the source, maybe there is something on how to uninstall |
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| 00:40.32 | verbose | firefox 1.1 nightly sounds like it will be great on linux |
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| 00:41.09 | boazg | anyone, any idea how to recover from the loss of the libc.so.6 symlink? |
| 00:41.09 | verbose | found an article at fedorablog from slashdot about it |
| 00:41.12 | shingouz_ | verbose: You too, you do not want to install from sources, use apt-get |
| 00:41.23 | verbose | yeh |
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| 00:41.40 | eggenz7 | so how i make the module that i need for my new video card? |
| 00:41.43 | shingouz_ | boazg: Just the symlink? Recreate it |
| 00:41.45 | verbose | sorry... what, shingouz? |
| 00:42.05 | verbose | what about sources? |
| 00:42.16 | eggenz7 | i mean sound card..not video card |
| 00:42.23 | shingouz_ | verbose: Thou shalt not install from source, use the Debian install tools. apt-get, aptitude, dselect, dpkg and others |
| 00:42.46 | boazg | cant recreate, 'ln' nee nkD |
| 00:42.47 | verbose | is that just a friendly comment... how did that come about? |
| 00:42.55 | verbose | just curious |
| 00:42.57 | LuPuZ | I need some help... When i boot on my new kernel it says :VFS: Cannot open root device "303" or 03:03 |
| 00:42.57 | LuPuZ | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 00:42.57 | LuPuZ | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:03 |
| 00:43.00 | boazg | *needs the symlink |
| 00:43.19 | verbose | i don't really want kde but it is installing it so... |
| 00:43.25 | LuPuZ | i have changed the root option in lilo.conf |
| 00:43.26 | verbose | i only wanted to install gnome but that's ok |
| 00:43.33 | shingouz_ | verbose: A friendly comment it is, I just notice that we have someone else here on the chan right now who did install from source and now has problems reversing the install |
| 00:43.47 | verbose | oh ok |
| 00:43.48 | shingouz_ | verbose: You can always remove kde too |
| 00:43.50 | verbose | thanks then |
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| 00:44.03 | verbose | ah ok |
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| 00:44.12 | verbose | how would i do that exactly? |
| 00:44.24 | verbose | which command? |
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| 00:44.34 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: Did you run lilo too after the modification? |
| 00:44.34 | verbose | i'm sure it talks about it in my book |
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| 00:44.43 | shingouz_ | verbose: man apt-get |
| 00:44.43 | LuPuZ | yes i runned lilo |
| 00:44.53 | verbose | yes, ok |
| 00:45.05 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: And? Are you sure your root filesystem is where you told lilo it would be? |
| 00:45.13 | boazg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.14 | verbose | probably like apt-get remove or something |
| 00:45.16 | darkcmd | do most of you boot up without GDM or KDM and such? |
| 00:45.26 | boazg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:45.31 | verbose | apt-get --purge remove kde |
| 00:45.40 | verbose | something like that im assuming |
| 00:45.41 | kadu | can anyone help me get steam to work |
| 00:46.02 | verbose | not me... terrible gfx card |
| 00:46.05 | verbose | integrated |
| 00:46.17 | verbose | 1m remaining |
| 00:46.21 | shingouz_ | verbose: That should do it. Just let the install run and see that you have a working system before you start fuxx0ring with it or you may have some serious problems |
| 00:46.27 | kadu | i cant even get cedega to work |
| 00:46.31 | LuPuZ | yes i'm sure... but i did a install before... and got help updating my kernel... and he told me i had to do something with the boot... and i checked debianhelp... and told me about lilo.conf and to run lilo after that... and now i get this... and i'm sure i have set the right hdax for the boot and root |
| 00:46.45 | mwilson_ | <sigh> |
| 00:46.47 | verbose | shingouz_: ok |
| 00:46.52 | verbose | i will |
| 00:47.33 | verbose | who knows... i may even keep kde |
| 00:47.33 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: How exactly did you install the kernel? |
| 00:47.34 | verbose | but i doubt it |
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| 00:47.58 | LuPuZ | i got an .deb file |
| 00:47.58 | eggenz7 | shingouz, how would i make the alsa module tha ti need for my card without using downloaded source? |
| 00:48.03 | LuPuZ | and updated and so on... |
| 00:48.29 | LuPuZ | 2 min... gonna write some from my lilo.conf :P |
| 00:48.31 | verbose | now i'm presented with a font selection screen |
| 00:48.38 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: You should already have it there on any debian 2.6 kernel unless you bought a card that is not supported in the first place |
| 00:48.39 | verbose | native, autohinter, none |
| 00:48.49 | verbose | should i choose native? |
| 00:48.53 | asdfdito | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.04 | eggenz7 | i got a soundblaster live 24bit |
| 00:49.06 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: Do not paste here, use #flood |
| 00:49.16 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: Is that supported? |
| 00:49.20 | eggenz7 | yea |
| 00:49.28 | verbose | native seems good |
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| 00:49.39 | LuPuZ | oki... i will... thx for info |
| 00:49.51 | eggenz7 | it uses the snd-ca0106 module |
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| 00:50.12 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: try locate snd-ca0106 |
| 00:50.33 | eggenz7 | /lib/modules/2.4.29/updates/alsa/snd-ca0106.o |
| 00:50.33 | eggenz7 | /lib/modules/2.6.10/updates/alsa/pci/ca0106/snd-ca0106.ko |
| 00:50.41 | eggenz7 | but im using kernel 2.6.11.7 |
| 00:50.55 | sparr_x3 | lol. /. sig: The only difference between root and God is that I exist. |
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| 00:51.23 | verbose | should i enable bitmapped fonts? |
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| 00:51.29 | verbose | bitmapped fonts are lower quality |
| 00:52.03 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: There you go. You have a mismatch between the kernel and the modules, that is a no can do. Either install the proper kernel or use the modlues that go with the current kernel. Is that a custom kernel you have there btw? |
| 00:52.25 | shingouz_ | verbose: Up to you really, bitmapped are nto too bad |
| 00:52.45 | eggenz7 | shingouz: yea...it is a custom kernel |
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| 00:52.52 | sparr_x3 | where can I find consolefonts larger than 8x16? |
| 00:53.07 | paw | Is there a separate channel for debian-amd64? |
| 00:53.26 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: You did not happen to compile the proper kernel into it when you did the custom kernel, did you? |
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| 00:54.04 | LuPuZ | i posted my lilo.conf in #flood now |
| 00:54.09 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: The proper modules into the kernel that is |
| 00:54.18 | eggenz7 | no...not that know of |
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| 00:54.43 | eggenz7 | alsa was working...but i had an onboard sound card..so i bought this one this morning |
| 00:54.58 | cinix | holy crap, apt-get is downloaded two files at once |
| 00:54.59 | cinix | cool |
| 00:55.52 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: A Debian kernel isn't it. You need the initrd=/initrd.img there too |
| 00:56.04 | shingouz_ | cinix: apt-get is cool |
| 00:56.29 | LuPuZ | just put initrd=/initrd.img? |
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| 00:57.10 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: Back to lab then. New kernel with the appropriate drivers in it. The Debian way this time. /msg dpkg k-p |
| 00:57.29 | tictac | where is the kernel-image-* file located after you make-kpkg --append-to-version=blah kernel_image ? |
| 00:57.38 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: /msg dpk kp |
| 00:57.39 | directhex | tictac, .. |
| 00:57.59 | vezult | tictac: ../ from the kernel source dir |
| 00:58.08 | tictac | aha, |
| 00:58.22 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: Yes just below the image=/vmlinuz-foobar line, then rerun lilo |
| 00:58.24 | maher | LuPuZ: are you sure you want boot=/dev/hda1 not boot=/dev/hda |
| 00:58.48 | eggenz7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.05 | shingouz_ | eggenz7: kp, not k-p, i typoed there |
| 00:59.12 | tictac | thanks. |
| 00:59.13 | vezult | egenz7: try it without the preceding space |
| 01:01.13 | LuPuZ | shingouz: when i try to run lilo i get: Fatal: open /vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-686: No such fole or directory |
| 01:01.43 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: So you do not have it there |
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| 01:02.01 | LuPuZ | i have it in /boot/vmlinuz |
| 01:02.02 | asdfdito | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.08 | asdfdito | fds |
| 01:02.18 | asdfdito | fsda |
| 01:02.20 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: Correct it in lilo.conf then |
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| 01:02.28 | shingouz_ | asdfdito: We can see you |
| 01:02.44 | asdfdito | sorry |
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| 01:02.58 | vezult | asdfdito: use the #test channel please |
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| 01:03.22 | LuPuZ | shingouz: hehe... now i get another error :P : Fatal: open initrd.img: No such file or directory |
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| 01:03.52 | maher | LuPuZ: how did you boot? |
| 01:03.53 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: Well... is there something about the error that is indecipherable? |
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| 01:04.21 | LuPuZ | maher: i have been using my old kernel :P |
| 01:04.36 | LuPuZ | shingouz: no it was just as i typed it |
| 01:04.39 | tomb0y | hmm ok, so i come home today and apache 2 is no longer running, view my runnin proceses, and im seeing perl,sh,newsmp,newsmp,newsmp,sh,loxal,sh,newsmp.1,newsmp.1,newsmp.1,perl running any ideas why those would be ? |
| 01:04.53 | maher | LuPuZ: don't you have symlinks in / pointing to these things in /boot? |
| 01:05.06 | LuPuZ | synmlinks? |
| 01:05.12 | LuPuZ | *symlinks* |
| 01:05.17 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: How about you looking into your filesystem and see iif you have the initrd.img there somewhere, the one that belongs to the kernel in question and point lilo to it |
| 01:05.27 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: man ln |
| 01:05.47 | LuPuZ | what's the command for searching ? |
| 01:05.53 | shingouz_ | sunday..... definitely sunday |
| 01:06.02 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: man locate |
| 01:06.21 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: man find, man grep |
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| 01:06.57 | LuPuZ | i got 2 files... /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-2-686 ..... And /initrd.img |
| 01:07.05 | maher | tomb0y: do you have any idea what those things are? |
| 01:07.28 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: You need to have a link in / pointing to the correct image. Make it so |
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| 01:07.55 | peet | does anyone know if you can run ECC memory in non ECC supported mobos? |
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| 01:08.03 | Arafangion | peet, I believe you can. |
| 01:08.14 | LuPuZ | but how do i get an link pointing? haven't done anything else then install and having my box running before... sorry for being such an newb :S |
| 01:08.26 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: man ln |
| 01:08.27 | primoz | peet, you can't |
| 01:08.28 | primoz | ;) |
| 01:08.35 | peet | primoz: why's that? |
| 01:08.41 | primoz | except when mobo supports it |
| 01:08.59 | maher | LuPuZ: ls -l tells yu where the link points, ln -s file link makes one - try reading man ls and man ln for further info |
| 01:09.00 | peet | primoz: so i can ONLY run in a mobo that uses ECC? |
| 01:09.01 | shingouz_ | peet: Different hardware. Would you fill your diesel car up with gas? |
| 01:09.10 | primoz | peet, not really |
| 01:09.11 | peet | shingouz_: no i wouldn't ;) |
| 01:09.19 | shingouz_ | peet: There you go |
| 01:09.22 | primoz | there are mobos which don't use ECC but support ECC RAM |
| 01:09.23 | primoz | ;) |
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| 01:09.27 | maher | shingouz: tried that - didn't work... |
| 01:09.34 | primoz | but most mobos neither support nor use ECC |
| 01:09.35 | primoz | ;)) |
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| 01:09.56 | shingouz_ | maher: Gas on a diesel? And the engine is still in one piece? You're lucky |
| 01:10.59 | maher | shingouz: actually it was diesel in a gas tank, not me personally but a family member, who noticed before they drove off... |
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| 01:11.25 | shingouz_ | maher: That is not too bad then, the other way around is spectacular lemmetellya |
| 01:11.56 | maher | shingouz: they still felt inclined to drain the tank and replace it with the right fuel... |
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| 01:12.38 | serFiu | Hello! |
| 01:13.02 | shingouz_ | maher: Smokes less that is for sure. If you have only something like 10-20% diesel there the engine will run but smoke like hell. At least carburetted engines can do that, I am not too sure about the late injected ones |
| 01:13.08 | vezult | hmm. has dpkg been lobotomized? |
| 01:13.17 | serFiu | Is it possible to add a user and specify how many BG's that user is allowed? |
| 01:13.18 | shingouz_ | vezult: ? |
| 01:13.29 | LuPuZ | shingouz: i could run lilo this time... gonna see how the reboot is going |
| 01:13.30 | vezult | shingouz_: the bot |
| 01:13.35 | bob2 | serFiu: "BG"? |
| 01:13.36 | maher | serFiu: what is a BG? |
| 01:13.37 | LuPuZ | shingouz: thx |
| 01:13.46 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: Works? |
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| 01:13.54 | vezult | shingouz_: it doesnt respond to my /msgs |
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| 01:14.10 | LuPuZ | shingouz: yes it worked :D ... Thx alot dude |
| 01:14.13 | shingouz_ | vezult: You asked for the wrong thing then. Try something else |
| 01:14.16 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: yw |
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| 01:14.59 | serFiu | BG... um... background processes |
| 01:15.11 | LuPuZ | shingouz: btw when i have you here... i have an compiled module for my onboard NIC... and where shall i put it so it shows up in the "modconf" command |
| 01:15.19 | bob2 | serFiu: can you actually define what a background process is? |
| 01:15.25 | vezult | shingouz_: /msg help lobotomy - does not work, and "lobotomy" is one of the dpkg topics. |
| 01:15.34 | plugwash | where can i find information on why it was decided to use stable/testing/unstable rather than release names (woody/sarge/sid currently) in the default sources.list |
| 01:15.34 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: It should show up there if you did it the Debian way |
| 01:15.37 | bob2 | serFiu: you can use ulimit to limit the number of processes they can have |
| 01:15.54 | serFiu | hmmm |
| 01:15.55 | shingouz_ | vezult: /msg dpkg lobotomy |
| 01:16.02 | serFiu | So that is a seperate utility? |
| 01:16.06 | LuPuZ | shingouz: i didn't do it... my friend who helped me getting my new kernel ftp'd it to me... so now i have it in /HOME/ |
| 01:16.06 | serFiu | ulimit? |
| 01:16.25 | serFiu | So that is a seperate utility? |
| 01:16.27 | serFiu | oops |
| 01:16.36 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: You have it *how*? As a separate deb? |
| 01:16.44 | vezult | shingouz_: err...that's what i meant. it doesnt work for me. |
| 01:16.46 | plugwash | afaict the thing with running shells is that you want to let them compile things usually but you want to keep thier background process limit very low so you can sell them more background processes at an extortionate rate |
| 01:16.51 | shingouz_ | vezult: sec |
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| 01:17.11 | LuPuZ | shingouz: i have it as an .o file |
| 01:17.26 | shingouz_ | vezult: /msg dpkg lobotomy works nicely for me |
| 01:17.35 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: You running 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 01:17.39 | serFiu | Warning: This routine is obsolete. The include file is no longer provided by glibc. Use getrlimit(2), setrlimit(2) and sysconf(3) instead. For the shell command ulimit, see bash(1). |
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| 01:17.58 | shingouz_ | !tell vezult about lobotomy |
| 01:18.04 | LuPuZ | shingouz: now i run 2.4... thx to you :P ... and that module is compiled just for this kernel |
| 01:18.17 | mccbaka | Hello. I am sorry, but please refresh my memory. What's the apt command to insert a "dummy" package? Like, so I can make apt believe freetype is installed even though I didn't install freetype through apt? |
| 01:18.19 | vezult | shingouz_: hmm. seems it's just me it doesnt like then.. |
| 01:18.27 | maher | mccbaka: equivs |
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| 01:18.37 | bob2 | mccbaka: equivs |
| 01:18.40 | vezult | shingouz_: your !tell didnt result in any /msg from dpkg... |
| 01:18.44 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: I am not sure. If your friend did the kernel the Debian way it shoudl really be in the kernel-image.deb and install automagically |
| 01:18.44 | bob2 | mccbaka: but doing that for libraries is a baaaaad idea |
| 01:19.07 | shingouz_ | vezult: That is odd. Check your settings on the client |
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| 01:19.46 | mccbaka | bob2: thanks. and i know :) |
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| 01:20.41 | LuPuZ | shingouz: he did the kernel before he met me... and i have looked in "modconf" and it's not there... he told me i just had to install it |
| 01:20.41 | vezult | shingouz_: it was working for me ~5 mins ago, then stopped responding. |
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| 01:21.07 | shingouz_ | vezult: Did you get my msg just a couple of minutes ago? |
| 01:21.50 | peet | is ECC memory registered? |
| 01:21.51 | vezult | shingouz_: the !tell vezult <whatever> one? |
| 01:21.57 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: You should ask him then. Or just use the module already in the kernel. What card is that in the first place? |
| 01:22.03 | vezult | shingouz_: or one from you directly? |
| 01:22.11 | shingouz_ | vezult: One from me directly |
| 01:22.27 | bob2 | peet: they're slightly different, as far as I've been able to find out |
| 01:22.40 | LuPuZ | shingouz: it's an Asus p4pe with broadcom 1gb NIC "bcm5700" |
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| 01:22.50 | TwistedEmotions | how do I find the path of my printer? |
| 01:22.54 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: Hmmm.... wlan? |
| 01:23.25 | vezult | shingouz_: no...which i suppose means i shoud probably be starting to feel embarressed :-( |
| 01:23.28 | shingouz_ | !tell LuPuZ about broadcom |
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| 01:23.40 | LuPuZ | shingouz: now it's just an regular 10/100/1000 NIC |
| 01:23.43 | maher | TwistedEmotions: are you configuring cups? |
| 01:23.44 | shingouz_ | vezult: The problem hs to be with your client |
| 01:23.58 | TwistedEmotions | maher: Yes... I hate installing this isht.. |
| 01:24.02 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: Check the factoid dpkg sent you |
| 01:24.34 | maher | TwistedEmotions: what sort of printer do ou have |
| 01:24.49 | TwistedEmotions | Brother HL-5050 Laser Jet |
| 01:24.51 | LuPuZ | shingouz: thx... i found b44 :D ... weird the info it said :P |
| 01:25.00 | maher | TwistedEmotions: is it usb? |
| 01:25.06 | TwistedEmotions | yeah |
| 01:25.12 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: Does the nic work with the module? |
| 01:25.16 | maher | TwistedEmotions: does it show up in lsusb? |
| 01:25.22 | LuPuZ | shingouz: do i need any special commands for the module? since it's an onboard card |
| 01:25.42 | LuPuZ | shingouz: yes bcm5700 was renamed to b44 |
| 01:25.46 | TwistedEmotions | Bus 005 Device 002: ID 04f9:0017 Brother Industries, Ltd |
| 01:25.51 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: Try it as it is first. If it does not work that way check with modinfo |
| 01:26.16 | tomb0y | anyone able to help secure apache2, 2nd time ive been hacked now.. somehow someone is able to get files into my /var/tmp dir and then run them.. its a perl script with this in the header of it "Telnet-like Standard Daemon 1.0" created by Dark_Anjo.. roughly it got put into my /var/tmp dir and ran, which also ran sh,perl, and some other tmp file as processes... |
| 01:26.31 | TwistedEmotions | maher: yes ^^^^ |
| 01:26.38 | LuPuZ | shingouz: the install didn't work :( what do i need to do in modinfo? |
| 01:26.54 | maher | TwistedEmotions: are you at the Device: page? |
| 01:26.59 | maher | tomb0y: reinstall |
| 01:27.01 | LuPuZ | i got it |
| 01:27.16 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: Check what the info says on parameters and such. You also want to do a google just in case there is something odd with the thing |
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| 01:27.17 | LuPuZ | but it's not the same info here as the dkpg said |
| 01:27.29 | maher | tomb0y: what version of apache2 are you using? |
| 01:27.34 | TwistedEmotions | maher: U mean the web interface for samba? Im at the Printer Page.. |
| 01:27.36 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: ? |
| 01:27.47 | maher | TwistedEmotions: are you configuring samba or cups? |
| 01:27.48 | tomb0y | maher: ive already reinstalled debian after first time, and now its the 2nd, which reinstallin wont help, need to figure out how those files appeared.. im running debian sarge. |
| 01:28.05 | maher | tomb0y: what are you serving? |
| 01:28.07 | LuPuZ | shingouz: i know a lot of people have had difficulties getting it to work.... but i also know that my bcm5700.o file is working if i just know where to put it :S |
| 01:28.47 | TwistedEmotions | maher: I wanted to do cups... but I think I am currently logged into the Samba interface... what port do I connect on for cups again? |
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| 01:29.00 | staniel | hello |
| 01:29.01 | shingouz_ | I do not know where to put it. Try /lib/modules/kernelversion/drivers/net or something |
| 01:29.04 | maher | TwistedEmotions: point a browser to localhost:631 |
| 01:29.05 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: |
| 01:29.16 | TwistedEmotions | maher: KK there.. |
| 01:29.41 | maher | TwistedEmotions: that's the cups config pages - configure away |
| 01:29.46 | staniel | I just upgraded to kernel 2.6.11.8, and made some kernel changes (to include some ipv6-> ipv4 tunnels, and now I can't connect to my dsl provider |
| 01:29.50 | tomb0y | maher: ahh just a normal personal website. |
| 01:29.55 | maher | tomb0y: do you use php |
| 01:30.10 | TwistedEmotions | maher: Does it need a class? |
| 01:30.18 | tomb0y | maher: yes. |
| 01:30.28 | maher | TwistedEmotions: no |
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| 01:30.48 | maher | tomb0y: maybe your php scripts have vulnerabilities - did you write them yourself? |
| 01:30.59 | staniel | everytime I run 'pon dsl-provider' like I would in 2.6.8, it gives me an error in plog 'Failed to create PPPoE socket: Address Family not supported by protocol' |
| 01:31.18 | TwistedEmotions | maher: all setup... |
| 01:31.24 | TwistedEmotions | maher: Test page works. |
| 01:31.26 | LuPuZ | shingouz: Thx... it was almost as you said... but you pointed me in the right direction |
| 01:31.32 | shingouz_ | staniel: Do you have PPPoE in the kernel |
| 01:31.38 | shingouz_ | LuPuZ: :) |
| 01:31.39 | maher | TwistedEmotions: congratualtions - you have configure your printer |
| 01:31.51 | staniel | shingouz_ I should, it was in my 2.6.8 conf which I started with |
| 01:31.56 | TwistedEmotions | maher: Errr.. lol.. that was already setup.. |
| 01:32.02 | staniel | and I only added in modules, didn't take anything out... to my knowledge |
| 01:32.05 | tomb0y | maher: yes.. ill try parsing my apache logs to see if his files that got stored give some sort of evidence |
| 01:32.15 | TwistedEmotions | maher: I needed to share it with my sister/dad's computers.. they run windows.. |
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| 01:32.37 | shingouz_ | staniel: Well is it there? If it should be a module check if it is loaded. If not, load it and try again |
| 01:34.12 | maher | TwistedEmotions: does the printer show up when you do smbclient -L localhost |
| 01:34.22 | staniel | shingouz_: I have the ppp_generic, but Im not sure if I compiled the pppoe stuff as modules or in the actual kernel |
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| 01:35.02 | TwistedEmotions | maher: It asks for a password? |
| 01:35.05 | shingouz_ | staniel: I am not sure what to do then, I have never been unlucky enough to have to fool around with PPPoE |
| 01:35.15 | maher | TwistedEmotions: just press return |
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| 01:35.33 | staniel | shingouz_ :( |
| 01:36.57 | TwistedEmotions | maher: http://channels.debian.net/paste/106 |
| 01:37.56 | staniel | hmm well it seems that my tunnelling stuff was compiled in, not as modules... |
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| 01:38.24 | maher | TwistedEmotions: umm - did you uncomment the cups printing stuff in smb.conf |
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| 01:38.37 | starscalling | hmm |
| 01:38.55 | starscalling | i think i did something stupid so i would appreciate any help possible |
| 01:39.03 | starscalling | when i fuxxored my server yesterday |
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| 01:39.34 | starscalling | i had a putty window open to it. i then fixed what was wrong and got it back to the point where it would do even apt-get update etc |
| 01:39.44 | starscalling | i just had a powerfailure here |
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| 01:40.00 | starscalling | the putty window got cut off and its not accepting incoming connections.... |
| 01:40.22 | starscalling | do i need to have it powered off or something? or will the connection timeout or something? |
| 01:40.39 | maher | starscalling: so you can't log in on a new connection? |
| 01:40.47 | starscalling | right |
| 01:40.54 | maher | starscalling: where is the server |
| 01:41.09 | starscalling | at a datacenter |
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| 01:41.26 | maher | starscalling: do you have a console access program? |
| 01:41.46 | TwistedEmotions | maher: ... is seems the config file was replaced by swat.. |
| 01:41.47 | starscalling | hmm what do you mean? i was using putty so far.. it reports connection refused |
| 01:42.01 | maher | TwistedEmotions: i don't know squat about swat! |
| 01:42.22 | TwistedEmotions | maher: apt-get remove --purge samba? |
| 01:42.26 | TwistedEmotions | then reinstall? |
| 01:42.41 | maher | TwistedEmotions: nah - isn't swat some config tool? |
| 01:42.50 | TwistedEmotions | maher: yeah |
| 01:43.08 | maher | starscalling: do you have any way of connecting to the remote server apart from ssh? |
| 01:43.12 | TwistedEmotions | web interface for samba... |
| 01:43.27 | maher | TwistedEmotions: well - go there and configure away |
| 01:43.29 | starscalling | i have no clue, as i havnt tried.. are there any ways that you recommend? |
| 01:43.44 | Xenguy | starscalling: you should be able to ssh in again; if yer getting 'refused', then the box is down, or their network is down, I would think |
| 01:43.49 | maher | starscalling: i would recommend ssh |
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| 01:44.41 | maher | starscalling: try ssh from a different machine / client, check you have the right ip |
| 01:45.00 | starscalling | the box is not down for sure i was on it before my home system rebooted.. ssh is what the proggie is called or just the protocal? i was using just that option and its the right ip.. i have no other machine to try from >< |
| 01:45.22 | starscalling | maher, what other clients other than putty do you recommend? |
| 01:45.29 | Nwallins | can anyone tell me which documentation describes where a source app (not deb) should go on the filesystem? |
| 01:45.50 | maher | starscalling: try telnet port 22 and see if you get anything |
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| 01:46.35 | xrg | hi |
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| 01:46.41 | calitoscach | hy |
| 01:46.57 | calitoscach | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:47.06 | calitoscach | hello |
| 01:47.13 | calitoscach | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.14 | [Thom] | hello |
| 01:47.17 | starscalling | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 01:47.17 | starscalling | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.29 | starscalling | hmm |
| 01:47.40 | maher | starscalling: what were youplaying with |
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| 01:47.48 | starscalling | heh |
| 01:47.49 | starscalling | well |
| 01:47.51 | staniel | starscalling: sounds like either the server that you are connecting to is down |
| 01:47.59 | calitoscach | dfgdf |
| 01:48.00 | staniel | or that the network is down to that server |
| 01:48.01 | michal__ | is 2.6.11 is sarge yet? |
| 01:48.03 | starscalling | i was trying to install something on the server and deleted perl-base |
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| 01:48.14 | maher | starscalling: if you msg me the ip i can see if port 22 is listening |
| 01:48.15 | starscalling | then i ended up getting everything back in i thought |
| 01:48.29 | starscalling | but the connection i had with the server while i fucked it up didnt stop |
| 01:48.39 | [Thom] | ? |
| 01:48.49 | starscalling | i was afraid of restarting the server or disconnecting for just this reason |
| 01:48.57 | starscalling | but im sure i didnt install one of the libs or something right |
| 01:48.57 | [Thom] | How do I get a channel list in BitchX console? |
| 01:49.18 | starscalling | i guarentee you the server is actually up and running atm its just not accepting my incoming connections.. |
| 01:49.20 | plugwash | starscalling you just learnt an important lesson |
| 01:49.21 | ajs` | have you tried man BitchX ? |
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| 01:49.26 | starscalling | yeah |
| 01:49.36 | maher | starscalling: how do you know its up |
| 01:49.38 | ajs` | im sure there is ampel documentation on bitchx |
| 01:49.40 | [Thom] | quit |
| 01:49.49 | plugwash | after making any important changes check you can make a new connection BEFORE closing your existing one |
| 01:50.04 | plugwash | and if you cant then don't close your existing one until you can |
| 01:50.16 | starscalling | because i was doing updates earlier |
| 01:50.33 | starscalling | and i got it back to being able to do apt-get update etc even maher |
| 01:50.50 | starscalling | and i was just punching in things there.. using the screen thing etc.. |
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| 01:51.09 | maher | starscalling: does your server answer pings? |
| 01:51.14 | starscalling | telnet: could not resolve 2123.321.123.321:22/telnet: Name or service not known |
| 01:51.15 | oStuckMoj | anyone know what this is on sarge? imaplogin: malloc: Input/output error |
| 01:51.32 | starscalling | yeah |
| 01:51.35 | starscalling | it pings fine |
| 01:51.39 | oStuckMoj | i use courier imap and postfix |
| 01:51.40 | maher | starscalling: that's not a valid ip |
| 01:51.56 | staniel | starscalling taht isn't the actualy IP address is it? |
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| 01:52.48 | starscalling | 62 packets transmitted, 62 received, 0% packet loss, time 61079ms |
| 01:52.48 | starscalling | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 26.998/35.159/55.386/6.645 ms |
| 01:52.54 | starscalling | and hell no thats not the ip man lol |
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| 01:53.36 | plugwash | if you can't log in remotely and you cant access the server physically or use a serial console server then your first option is probablly to have someone power cycle the box |
| 01:53.57 | maher | starscalling: most likely breaking perl broke something important on your system - if you can't ssh in then you'll need to get access some other way |
| 01:54.03 | plugwash | failing that someone is going to have to plug a kvm into the box and figure out whats fucked |
| 01:54.34 | starscalling | a kvm? |
| 01:54.36 | suifur | stupidass deb server... went balls up with the samba service for half the day and randomly started working |
| 01:54.39 | suifur | !fuck debian samba |
| 01:54.39 | starscalling | well |
| 01:54.57 | starscalling | what ever ways are there to access it that might be in there? |
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| 01:55.08 | plugwash | starscalling kvm = keyboard monitor and mouse |
| 01:55.10 | maher | starscalling: serial console provided by your hoster |
| 01:55.20 | bob2 | suifur: er, no |
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| 01:55.37 | qbwdp | hello there |
| 01:55.40 | starscalling | well |
| 01:55.43 | starscalling | if i did fuck it up |
| 01:55.45 | starscalling | which i did |
| 01:55.52 | starscalling | if i had installed the right things again |
| 01:56.12 | starscalling | could a reboot reinitialize something that i put back in and didnt start or something>? |
| 01:56.19 | starscalling | like for instance |
| 01:56.29 | starscalling | i know the libssl0.9.7 was missing |
| 01:56.35 | starscalling | but i _did_ put back in |
| 01:56.54 | Guerin | enter |
| 01:57.05 | maher | starscalling: your hoster can probably reboot the box - its unlikely but it might fix it |
| 01:57.08 | plugwash | if its just a simple issue of sshd not running but installed ok then a reboot should bring it up |
| 01:57.22 | suifur | bob2: er yes :) |
| 01:57.25 | plugwash | if somethings actually missing in the install then it wont |
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| 01:57.40 | starscalling | ok, i will have them do that then.. otherwise i think im just fuxxored etc? is there another way to access a box? non ssl? |
| 01:57.53 | maher | starscalling: well - did you set one up? |
| 01:58.21 | starscalling | i dont know what was set up man i just had box for a few days before i fucked it up so there is say a 50/50 chance really id say |
| 01:58.29 | Xenguy | starscalling: I hope the console isn't too far away |
| 01:58.29 | vezult | starscalling: physical access |
| 01:58.40 | starscalling | its running debian/progent which would be sarge/progeny |
| 01:58.48 | starscalling | no physical access possible |
| 01:58.51 | maher | starscalling: who set up the box? doesn't your hoster give you a serial console? |
| 01:59.07 | plugwash | starscalling sure there are other ways of remote admin but it doesn't help you if you haven't installed them |
| 01:59.08 | starscalling | well first i dont even knwo what one of those is >< |
| 01:59.28 | plugwash | starscalling you could always nmap the system if you want to know whats running ;) |
| 01:59.30 | starscalling | how about a few of the ways so i can just try them and see if they are in? |
| 01:59.37 | maher | starscalling: why on earth are you attempting to maintian this box? |
| 01:59.44 | starscalling | ? |
| 01:59.47 | starscalling | maher |
| 01:59.49 | starscalling | its my personal box |
| 02:00.05 | starscalling | i _just_ got the motherfucker so i kinda know shit about all this |
| 02:00.06 | vezult | starscalling: but you have no physical access to it? |
| 02:00.08 | maher | starscalling: you're trying to maintain a box but youdon't seem to know anything about it? |
| 02:00.21 | starscalling | NONE vezult NOR WILL I EVER |
| 02:00.26 | starscalling | maher and crew |
| 02:00.28 | starscalling | please |
| 02:00.33 | maher | starscalling: who is you hoster? |
| 02:00.42 | Xenguy | starscalling: it's just a bit baffling |
| 02:00.44 | starscalling | dont bother taking that tack with me? i got it for my own personal reasons? |
| 02:00.54 | Guerin | starscalling: if this is My First Nix Box, it should be sitting on a desk in your room so you can power it off if it breaks |
| 02:01.03 | starscalling | talkwebhosts is my hoster |
| 02:01.07 | Guerin | at least untl you know what needs to be done before you can admin it remotely |
| 02:01.28 | starscalling | Guerin, the maching im talking to you from is linux as well .. debian as well etc |
| 02:01.30 | plugwash | it seems he has rented a dedicated from some cheap dedicated provider for his own uses tried to upgrade it and fucked up and now realised that without physical access its very hard to fix stuff |
| 02:01.40 | vezult | starscalling: well, i'd call your hoster. hire them to fix it or reinstall it for you. |
| 02:01.57 | vezult | starscalling: if you have no means to access it |
| 02:02.00 | starscalling | yes plugwash you pretty much got it i guess... and vezult no you wouldnt if you were me as i wouldnt neh? |
| 02:02.04 | starscalling | . . . . . |
| 02:02.05 | starscalling | so |
| 02:02.14 | Guerin | !tell oStuckMoj about away |
| 02:02.15 | starscalling | ideas on what other methods there _are_ ? |
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| 02:02.35 | Guerin | starscalling: you could try and crack it, in order to get a shell |
| 02:02.43 | starscalling | ok! |
| 02:02.53 | starscalling | how do i start trying to do that guerin? |
| 02:02.54 | Guerin | scorphus: but honestly, if you can't manage an upgrade, i don't see much chance in that |
| 02:02.54 | Xenguy | o_O |
| 02:03.06 | Guerin | and you won't get any help at all from anyone in here |
| 02:03.14 | vezult | starscalling: that could get you in trouble of course... |
| 02:03.18 | starscalling | nope |
| 02:03.24 | Guerin | starscalling: google around and see what's vulnerable... |
| 02:03.25 | starscalling | no trouble its _my_ box |
| 02:03.33 | maher | starscalling: so when you signed up for the service was there some web page that said what you were getting? |
| 02:03.43 | oStuckMoj | anyone know what this is on sarge? imaplogin: malloc: Input/output error |
| 02:03.43 | starscalling | no. |
| 02:03.45 | oStuckMoj | i use courier imap and postfix |
| 02:03.51 | Guerin | but honestly, the best thing would be to get your hosts to open it up and fix it |
| 02:03.57 | starscalling | that can be done |
| 02:04.03 | starscalling | that costs me like a hundred or something |
| 02:04.03 | Guerin | oStuckMoj: is your machine swapping? |
| 02:04.12 | Guerin | starscalling: sucks to be you |
| 02:04.33 | oStuckMoj | don't think so |
| 02:04.36 | maher | starscalling: get a spare machine at home to play sysadmin on |
| 02:04.41 | oStuckMoj | TLS seems to be broken |
| 02:04.44 | plugwash | starscalling if you are going to try and crack it the first thing to do is to use nmap to figure out what is running |
| 02:04.51 | plugwash | then google for exploits |
| 02:04.57 | oStuckMoj | i recently ran apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:05.16 | Guerin | oStuckMoj: input/output errors when trying to allocate ram sound like broken hardware |
| 02:05.22 | plugwash | and hope that something thats running is old enough to still be vulnerable |
| 02:05.29 | oStuckMoj | imap access works, but sending outgoing isn't, i use smtp auth |
| 02:05.43 | plugwash | failing that your only choice is to get your host to sort it |
| 02:05.56 | plugwash | thats one of the ways theese cheap hosting providers sting you |
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| 02:06.08 | oStuckMoj | Guerin unlikely. nothing in dmesg and it's only imap that's doing it |
| 02:06.29 | Guerin | oStuckMoj: ok. If you've just dist-upgraded from what to what? |
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| 02:07.12 | oStuckMoj | just getting latest sarge stuff |
| 02:07.18 | YaleR | is php5 not out for debian? |
| 02:07.24 | oStuckMoj | there was a good chunk of things |
| 02:07.24 | Guerin | YaleR: no. |
| 02:07.28 | YaleR | Guerin: how come? |
| 02:07.40 | Guerin | oStuckMoj: ok, so sarge->sarge, not woody->sarge |
| 02:07.45 | oStuckMoj | yeah |
| 02:08.25 | Guerin | !php5 |
| 02:08.26 | dpkg | i guess php5 is at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 02:08.46 | oStuckMoj | just synchin up. hmmm..but ... well nm. if it's not a known/reported bug (i didn't find anything on BTS either) i'll just poke around |
| 02:09.13 | Guerin | oStuckMoj: that's a dirty-looking error. I'd check to see that the upgrade finished cleanly, etc. |
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| 02:09.49 | oStuckMoj | mmm...maybe I'll roll back the debs to the previous version and see if that fixes it |
| 02:10.11 | tictac | anyone had any issues on the sarge installer hanging when searching for Debian installation media after loading ide-disk and ide-cdrom ? |
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| 02:10.55 | dsotm | NFS doesnt typically require a password, right? v2 and v3 are both host-based security |
| 02:11.18 | bob2 | even on v4 it uses kerberos instead of passwords |
| 02:11.19 | bob2 | aiui |
| 02:11.43 | dsotm | is there any instance where it would want a user/pass? |
| 02:11.54 | bob2 | not that I know of |
| 02:11.58 | dsotm | ugh |
| 02:11.59 | dsotm | stupid OSX |
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| 02:18.11 | bonez41 | how do i test my sound to see if it's working? any simple command to test sound? |
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| 02:19.38 | Guerin | boincat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
| 02:19.41 | Guerin | gah |
| 02:19.44 | Guerin | bonez41: ^^^ |
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| 02:20.50 | bonez41 | Guerin, just 'boincat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp' at the console? |
| 02:21.00 | Guerin | no |
| 02:21.12 | Guerin | s/boincat/cat/ |
| 02:21.21 | bonez41 | ok, |
| 02:22.11 | bonez41 | no such device, is what I get...a la : zugraum:/home/scott# vmlinux > /dev/dsp bash: /dev/dsp: No such device |
| 02:22.26 | bob2 | Jamsi: no, that's not what it's for |
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| 02:22.33 | bob2 | Jamsi: use nail or mutt in their command-line modes |
| 02:22.36 | bonez41 | ok, I am a bonehead.... |
| 02:22.47 | Bac9 | bonez41: cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
| 02:23.37 | bonez41 | Bac9, still no such device...it's has the intel ac '97 onboard audio controller, per lspci |
| 02:23.41 | qubit | is there a channel for wine? |
| 02:23.56 | cheal | qubit: #winehq |
| 02:24.03 | qubit | thanks |
| 02:24.14 | bonez41 | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 01) |
| 02:24.21 | bonez41 | Bac9, that's from lspci |
| 02:24.46 | Guerin | !ac97 |
| 02:24.47 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
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| 02:25.56 | Bac9 | bonez41: figure out why you don't have /dev/dsp |
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| 02:26.46 | Jamsi | Cheers bob2, will use mutt :) |
| 02:26.49 | tomb0y | is there a way with dhcp3-server to have it always give same ip to a machine? some reason my windows machine never has its ip changed, but my other debian box the internal ip keeps changing every few weeks or if i reboot it |
| 02:27.09 | encrypt | how do i sed to replace X for a break line? |
| 02:27.10 | Bac9 | tomb0y: yes |
| 02:27.20 | Guerin | encrypt: use tr |
| 02:27.21 | bob2 | tomb0y: ye |
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| 02:27.32 | encrypt | Guerin any example please? |
| 02:28.20 | tomb0y | bob2: that done in dhcpd.conf ? or any man page i should read ? |
| 02:28.31 | bob2 | yes |
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| 02:28.40 | bob2 | I think the default config includes an example for it |
| 02:28.54 | IDC | Morning :) |
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| 02:29.14 | Guerin | encrypt: tr \n X < infile > outfile; should work |
| 02:29.22 | encrypt | ty! |
| 02:29.27 | bonez41 | Bac9, /dev/dsp exists in my system...belonging to group 'audio 14' |
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| 02:30.03 | Bac9 | bonez41: and why can't you ` cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp`? |
| 02:30.42 | Guerin | encrypt: that line I gave will change any instance of a newline to X ... it's unclear whether you want it the other way |
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| 02:31.30 | encrypt | ahhh i want the other way :) |
| 02:31.52 | encrypt | ty |
| 02:32.46 | CowboyAtHeart | hello all. I'm looking for a rescue cd. Older debian cd's I used to be able to type: rescue root=/dev/hdaX, but the current one I can't. I need to boot into an existing system, from cd, any idea's? |
| 02:34.05 | encrypt | weird when looks like there is no new lines |
| 02:34.34 | encrypt | it replaced to 'nnn' |
| 02:34.36 | abrotman | the sarge inst has no rescue mode? |
| 02:35.00 | shingouz_ | CowboyAtHeart: Get the Woody cd one |
| 02:35.03 | CowboyAtHeart | abrotman: the iso from a week or two ago doesn't it seems (I've tried) |
| 02:35.20 | shingouz_ | abrotman: Not that I have noticed :( |
| 02:35.23 | drac | CompBrain: Netinstall doesn't, but Sarge CD1 Full does. |
| 02:35.27 | Jamsi | Okay this zip command is pissing me off. Simply need to zip a text file. zip test test.zip correct? |
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| 02:35.34 | Guerin | encrypt: your newlines might be \r or something |
| 02:35.46 | Guerin | Jamsi: man zip |
| 02:35.50 | CowboyAtHeart | drac: do you have a url to the CD1 full? |
| 02:36.00 | starscalling | hey what was that thing called again? |
| 02:36.07 | starscalling | serial terminal? |
| 02:36.15 | tuxmaster | hi i am installing sarge and i forgot what the webpage was where you wanted me to tell you the specs and stuff |
| 02:36.21 | shingouz_ | serial console |
| 02:36.25 | encrypt | indeed in 'man tr' i see \n is new line but didnt work. \r also didnt work |
| 02:36.45 | encrypt | with \r it replaced X to rrr |
| 02:36.57 | Guerin | runky |
| 02:37.00 | shingouz_ | tuxmaster: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 02:37.12 | Guerin | well, sed isn't so wildly different |
| 02:37.14 | Guerin | !sed cheats |
| 02:37.15 | dpkg | i guess sed cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
| 02:37.25 | encrypt | ty |
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| 02:41.14 | starscalling | ok remember we talked about open ports? |
| 02:41.16 | starscalling | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 02:41.16 | starscalling | 111/tcp open rpcbind |
| 02:41.16 | starscalling | 135/tcp filtered msrpc |
| 02:41.16 | starscalling | 4444/tcp filtered krb524 |
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| 02:41.21 | starscalling | shyt |
| 02:41.23 | starscalling | sorry |
| 02:41.26 | Guerin | starscalling: eejit |
| 02:41.44 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: Use #flood next time.. you wont get kicked; ) |
| 02:41.49 | starscalling | anyway those ones are open for sure oh right |
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| 02:42.38 | starscalling | anyway what kinda of proggies can i use to access it through these ports? |
| 02:43.05 | starscalling | i just talked to my host and he's all just ask my other buddy to hack the dam thing and he's been out for a couple days |
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| 02:44.43 | encrypt | argh i cant get this to work |
| 02:44.46 | Guerin | starscalling: nobody is going to help you crack this box, even if it's yours |
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| 02:45.00 | starscalling | yeah |
| 02:45.01 | TwistedEmotions | Trying to share a printer.. anyone know whats wrong here? http://channels.debian.net/paste/107 |
| 02:45.04 | starscalling | what's the use i suppose |
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| 02:45.13 | starscalling | i seldom get any help here anyway |
| 02:45.19 | starscalling | last night was just a fluke |
| 02:45.22 | starscalling | thanx for the reminder |
| 02:45.27 | Guerin | starscalling: cry me a goddamn river |
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| 02:46.01 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: #samba might be a better place to ask |
| 02:46.18 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: Cmon man... you come to official #debian room and you need tips to crack into a server? |
| 02:46.26 | YaleR | lol |
| 02:46.28 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Thanks.. |
| 02:46.29 | Bac9 | starscalling: use the programs that werre designed to use the protocols offered by those ports, obviously samba ports are for samba shares... etc |
| 02:46.44 | cheal | abrotman: don't worry, nuclear death isn't painful |
| 02:47.00 | starscalling | yeah bac9 im trying to figure that out i guess |
| 02:47.18 | Bac9 | starscalling: it's all in the "service" column |
| 02:47.22 | Guerin | cheal: that's not what the people who died in the months and years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki said |
| 02:47.27 | cheal | abrotman: at least, if you're in the center of the explosion. otherwise your children could always suffer from mutations for a few centuries |
| 02:47.30 | starscalling | yeah |
| 02:47.43 | roo9 | this is strange, i have a bunch of files that are present in 2 seperate directories, i think it's some kind of FS error, i want to erase 1 copy, how can i do so without the risk of deleting both files? |
| 02:47.46 | starscalling | i ask because for instance there seems to be no proggie called rpcbind for instance |
| 02:48.00 | starscalling | look |
| 02:48.03 | cheal | abrotman: but they should all die anyway |
| 02:48.06 | starscalling | understand: |
| 02:48.11 | abrotman | cheal: my place is maybe ... a mile or two as the crow flies from the generator |
| 02:48.15 | starscalling | i dont know shit about all this yet i must make it work >< |
| 02:48.26 | Guerin | starscalling: not going to happen |
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| 02:48.32 | cheal | abrotman: just move a little closer ;) |
| 02:48.44 | abrotman | cheal: not many places in between ... |
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| 02:49.07 | Bac9 | starscalling: rpc ports are for rpc calls, things like nfs use them |
| 02:49.08 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: can you give me access to that ftp server? i want to config vsftpd |
| 02:49.18 | cheal | abrotman: or be the Windows admin at the plant, since it needs to be so secure |
| 02:49.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Care to DIE?! |
| 02:49.40 | deadcat | ? |
| 02:49.47 | encrypt | How do I replace a string 'xxx' for a new line in a file? |
| 02:50.00 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: That mean... sure gimme a second to get you the ip ;) |
| 02:50.03 | deadcat | encrypt: echo xxx > file ? |
| 02:50.05 | poli | encrypt, emacs <file> or vi <file> ? |
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| 02:50.09 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hehe. |
| 02:50.16 | _joey | vim file |
| 02:50.16 | abrotman | cheal: i do a little trail riding .. and one day i found a trail near the plant .. so i take it .. and the trail ends . and i see a clearing up the hill .. so i hike up the hill with bike in tow .. i come to some railroad tracks .. and am about 25yds from the cooling towers :) |
| 02:50.27 | deadcat | encrypt: or juse >> filename |
| 02:50.37 | roo9 | abrotman: where is this? |
| 02:50.47 | abrotman | roo9: PA |
| 02:50.57 | cheal | abrotman: yards, mile...at least you must be far away from here :) |
| 02:51.03 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:51.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: 208.53.138.23 |
| 02:51.13 | abrotman | roo9: outside philadelphia |
| 02:51.15 | roo9 | abrotman: i have a friend who is a small craft pilot, he flew over 3 mile island |
| 02:51.23 | roo9 | abrotman: yeah, i'm in bergen county NJ |
| 02:51.34 | encrypt | sorry let me explain. i have a file with a whole html code in a unique line. I want to extract the "img src" into unique lines, so that i can filter what i want |
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| 02:51.40 | roo9 | abrotman: i know the plant you are talking about |
| 02:51.49 | abrotman | roo9: this is not TMI .. it's the limerick power plant |
| 02:51.56 | Guerin | encrypt: urlview? |
| 02:52.05 | roo9 | abrotman: yeah, i'm just saying seperately... |
| 02:52.10 | Wtn-2-diE | i want to configure the scroll button of my mouse! how can i do it? plz! |
| 02:52.10 | encrypt | urlview? |
| 02:52.24 | Guerin | !drxx Wtn-2-diE |
| 02:52.25 | dpkg | Wtn-2-diE: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 02:52.30 | Guerin | encrypt: urlview. |
| 02:52.36 | encrypt | err let me check |
| 02:52.36 | Wtn-2-diE | ok thnkx |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | roo9: it's ok .. if the security is that bad ... i'm sure they know :) |
| 02:52.54 | Guerin | abrotman: they KNOW WHO YOU ARE |
| 02:53.03 | roo9 | abrotman: the question is, do they care? |
| 02:53.11 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | Guerin: i'm sure they do |
| 02:53.27 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Thanks for all your help by the way. |
| 02:53.32 | abrotman | roo9: i doubt it .. noone stopped me .. i rode the tracks right around the perimeter of the station |
| 02:53.50 | abrotman | roo9: you're up almost to NYC? |
| 02:54.21 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no problem |
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| 02:54.49 | roo9 | abrotman: yes, i work in the city, i'm just outside of the meadowlands |
| 02:54.59 | abrotman | eww |
| 02:55.09 | encrypt | nice, Guerin, but you cant save the list :( |
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| 02:55.25 | abrotman | roo9: maybe i ever go to do work in Newark .. i'll hunt you down :) |
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| 02:55.29 | carlox | ? |
| 02:55.35 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:55.37 | Guerin | encrypt: why not? |
| 02:55.43 | tictac | what might be the easiest way to install woody with drivers not included in the normal 2.4.20 kernel? |
| 02:55.49 | encrypt | Guerin there is only a Quit optoin |
| 02:55.51 | abrotman | er .. work in newark again :) |
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| 02:56.03 | roo9 | abrotman: :-) |
| 02:56.36 | abrotman | roo9: i did work at the new prison they just built on chemical row about a year ago |
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| 02:57.11 | roo9 | this is weird, i have a bunch of files/directories that appear in 2 locations on my disk, should deleting 1 copy be safe? |
| 02:57.24 | TwistedEmotions | Does anyone know why lpr doesnt print ? |
| 02:57.31 | roo9 | abrotman: i remember that... there was a giant fight over that |
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| 02:57.39 | TwistedEmotions | I setup printer already using cups.. |
| 02:57.40 | encrypt | do you know how to save, Guerin? |
| 02:57.41 | roo9 | twistedemotions: what makes you think lpr is supposed to print? |
| 02:57.44 | abrotman | roo9: i know .. and the whole area smells like amoxycillan |
| 02:58.03 | TwistedEmotions | roo9: Guessed? Am I wrong lol? |
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| 02:58.04 | abrotman | roo9: but as far as jails go . nice jail :) |
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| 02:58.18 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: is your job listed with .. uhm .. lpq ? |
| 02:58.31 | Guerin | ok, urlview is shit |
| 02:58.31 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Will check |
| 02:58.43 | roo9 | abrotman: well, it's also because this is NJ, if we just let everyone in there who was convicted of "victimless" crimes we could cut the prison population by 80% and not need to build more jails |
| 02:58.49 | starscalling | ok |
| 02:58.53 | Guerin | why can't it just print shit to stdout |
| 02:58.57 | starscalling | im having the dam box rebooted |
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| 02:59.15 | TwistedEmotions | Does CUP's use lpr or lpq? |
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| 02:59.37 | abrotman | roo9: this place was enormous .. and very confusing to walk around in .. i was there before any inmates were let in |
| 02:59.50 | vezult | TwistedEmotions: there is a cupsys-bsd package that provides that type of interface to cups |
| 03:00.13 | vezult | TwistedEmotions: if you like that sort of thing |
| 03:00.40 | roo9 | abrotman: networking the place? |
| 03:01.00 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: cups uses ipp, but there's a cupsys-bsd package for lpr interoperbility. It's not ever "CUP's" |
| 03:01.01 | Xenguy | encrypt: why not just grep what you want to a file, then use a text editor macro to massage out the crap you don't want? |
| 03:01.40 | roo9 | how can i force fsck to check a volume? |
| 03:01.46 | encrypt | Xenguy grep doesnt work since grep will keep everything in a line |
| 03:01.51 | cafuego | roo9: man fsck. See '-f' |
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| 03:02.19 | roo9 | cafuego: man fsck doesn't have -f, but fsck.ext3 does... |
| 03:02.22 | Xenguy | encrypt: yes, and then you post-process with a text editor macro for the next step |
| 03:02.28 | roo9 | thanks though cafuego |
| 03:02.28 | cafuego | roo9: Well then |
| 03:02.30 | abrotman | roo9: no .. custom app |
| 03:02.51 | encrypt | ahh sorry this is complicated for me :( i better try to replace X to \n |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | roo9: freakish screenscraping java app |
| 03:02.56 | Xenguy | encrypt: do you use vim, or some other text editor where you can record a series of keystrokes? |
| 03:03.02 | roo9 | abrotman: RFID implanted in the brain to track prisioners? |
| 03:03.04 | encrypt | i use pico |
| 03:03.22 | abrotman | roo9: no .. but they do have cool little bar coded wrist bands :) |
| 03:03.23 | roo9 | encrypt: you probably use nano |
| 03:03.26 | Xenguy | encrypt: not powerful enough me thinks |
| 03:03.26 | encrypt | yes |
| 03:03.30 | cafuego | encrypt: sed -i 's/X/\n/g' foo.txt |
| 03:03.39 | roo9 | abrotman: i prefer bar-coded wrists ;-) |
| 03:03.43 | encrypt | oh this /g is new, let me try :D |
| 03:03.55 | abrotman | roo9: there are scanners everywhere in the building to scan them when you move them |
| 03:03.59 | shingouz_ | roo9: Don't even joke about it |
| 03:04.01 | roo9 | can you embed \n's in sed expressions? |
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| 03:04.06 | roo9 | shingoux: sorry :-( |
| 03:04.08 | roo9 | i'm evil |
| 03:04.14 | abrotman | or from jersey |
| 03:04.19 | encrypt | sed -i 's/src/\n/g' a.txt |
| 03:04.25 | encrypt | didnt work :( |
| 03:04.36 | Xenguy | encrypt: try \r instead of \n |
| 03:04.41 | encrypt | its the -i |
| 03:04.48 | encrypt | invalid option -- i |
| 03:04.49 | roo9 | and, my sed doesn't have -i |
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| 03:04.56 | roo9 | encrypt: yeah, i got that too |
| 03:05.01 | cafuego | encrypt: What *exacty* are you trying to do? |
| 03:05.04 | jdhutchin1 | don't you have to escape the \ ? |
| 03:05.30 | encrypt | cafuego i have a html file with everything in a unique line. this html has a lot of links to images that i want to grab them all |
| 03:05.46 | cafuego | encrypt: You want the images? |
| 03:05.52 | encrypt | yes |
| 03:05.59 | abrotman | pr0n overload ? |
| 03:06.01 | tictac | anyone know why sarge installer hangs at 'Searching for Debian installation media' after loading the modules |
| 03:06.05 | cafuego | encrypt: try 'wget -m foo.html' |
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| 03:06.26 | encrypt | hmmm ty let me try |
| 03:06.44 | roo9 | encrypt: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:06.49 | cafuego | Note that will work ONLY if it has *full* links to the images. |
| 03:06.56 | encrypt | roo9 i have a html file with everything in a unique line. this html has a lot of links to images that i want to grab them all |
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| 03:07.14 | HeatHawk | hey there |
| 03:07.14 | roo9 | encrypt: send me the html file, or link me, i can do that easily |
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| 03:07.25 | Xenguy | cafuego: I'm not sure if he wants images, or references to the images (part of the problem; he hasn't stated his problem clearly) |
| 03:07.43 | HeatHawk | Grub freezes on boot when i have my sata controller enabled. |
| 03:07.47 | Guerin | roo9: you'll want to wipe his arse for him next |
| 03:07.47 | encrypt | roo9 www.mouraramos.com.br/a.txt |
| 03:07.49 | HeatHawk | help? |
| 03:07.53 | cafuego | Xenguy: He wants that to grab them all, how do you mean not clear? ;-) |
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| 03:08.06 | Bac9 | encrypt: just use grep and grep for the lines containing the tags, then use sed to clean it up |
| 03:08.14 | tictac | i wish there was an (easy) way to alter the base woody iso to add a more updated kernel/drivers |
| 03:08.20 | encrypt | Bac9 there is no lines and lines.. there is an unique line |
| 03:08.35 | Guerin | tictac: there's very little reason to install woody now |
| 03:08.36 | Bac9 | Guerin: aren't we grumpy today |
| 03:08.47 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: try to ftp upload something to his account. passwd is the school initial |
| 03:08.47 | Xenguy | cafuego: maybe your interpretation is correct - I still don't know for sure |
| 03:08.50 | Guerin | Bac9: not unusually so |
| 03:09.00 | mashiur | hi everybody, can anybody help me to solve a problem. When I start my debian, it starts with console, from console how I can start the KDE. |
| 03:09.08 | tictac | tried boot-floppies w/ mini-iso.iso but i cant get the linux.bin small enough to overwrite the one in resc2880.bin |
| 03:09.09 | abrotman | startkde ? |
| 03:09.14 | deadcat | mashiur: apt-get install kdm |
| 03:09.14 | Guerin | mashiur: apt-get install x-window-system kde |
| 03:09.17 | roo9 | encrypt: this uses some kind of javascript munging, it's not going to be trivial |
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| 03:09.25 | tictac | Guerin: its still the 'stable' version of debian. |
| 03:09.25 | Bac9 | encrypt: do a regexp substitution with sed or inside vim |
| 03:09.36 | Lob2k | Hey all, first time on this channel. I'm having some difficulty with a debian install on my Thinkpad r40 laptop. My mouse and keyboard are not very responsive when the system is downloading, or the cpu is working. On previous kernel versions, dmesg was showing lost clock cycles, but that seems to be fixed as of 2.6.11. I thought that was the problem, but apparently not. Could anyone make any suggestions as to what this might be? |
| 03:09.37 | encrypt | i could see all the urls with urlview, but there is no 'save' option, err |
| 03:09.43 | roo9 | encrypt: i need the original link. |
| 03:09.48 | mashiur | I have KDE in my system, I like to start that. |
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| 03:09.53 | roo9 | encrypt: i need to see the javascript |
| 03:09.56 | mashiur | Thanks Guerin and deadcat |
| 03:10.30 | encrypt | roo9 its http://forum.ragezone.com.. you need to be registered and go to new post err :( |
| 03:10.31 | Lob2k | Oh, i should mention that its a fairly fast system, 2.2 ghz, so i shouldn't be getting this behavior. Cheers. |
| 03:10.36 | mashiur | how I can start the x-windows kde from console. |
| 03:10.40 | encrypt | i want their smiles collection :P |
| 03:10.49 | roo9 | encrypt: nah |
| 03:11.10 | gravity | mashiur: echo 'startkde' > .Xsession ; startx |
| 03:11.18 | gravity | mashiur: You'll only have to do startx after that in the future |
| 03:11.39 | mashiur | gravity: thanks |
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| 03:11.49 | abrotman | Lob2k: the laptop keyboard and trackpoint ? |
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| 03:11.53 | roo9 | encrypt: you want the <img's? |
| 03:11.58 | gravity | mashiur: Make that ".xsession", not ".Xsession". Sorry |
| 03:12.02 | Lob2k | abrotman: correct |
| 03:12.02 | encrypt | yes roo9 |
| 03:12.09 | roo9 | cat a.txt |tr '<>' '\n'|grep -e ^img|awk '-F"' '{print $2}' |
| 03:12.11 | roo9 | encrypt: that works |
| 03:12.21 | Lob2k | The same thing happens when I plug in an external mouse and keyboard however. |
| 03:12.28 | abrotman | Lob2k: i don't personally know anything .. but there may be some notes available at linux-laptop.net |
| 03:12.37 | mashiur | gravity: would you please write the full command again. Sorry i am a new user. |
| 03:12.39 | encrypt | wowww tyvm roo9 |
| 03:12.48 | abrotman | Lob2k: possibly IRQ conflict ? |
| 03:12.49 | encrypt | pretty good |
| 03:12.50 | gravity | mashiur: echo "startkde" > .xsession |
| 03:12.57 | gravity | mashiur: Then startx |
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| 03:13.04 | ethics | wheres a good place to find out how good linux is with midi stuff? |
| 03:13.09 | mashiur | Gravity:thanks |
| 03:13.11 | gravity | ethics: Google |
| 03:13.12 | abrotman | heh .. midi |
| 03:13.15 | roo9 | np encrypt |
| 03:13.15 | abrotman | !midi |
| 03:13.16 | dpkg | from memory, midi is MUSICAL INSTRUMENT DIGITAL INTERFACE, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
| 03:13.42 | Bac9 | mashiur: if you're a new user dow what Guerin told you |
| 03:13.46 | ethics | ooh factoid..../cheers....id did the google thing then thought about what i was going to ask hehe |
| 03:14.31 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: dpkg has a good memory ;) |
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| 03:14.32 | mashiur | Gravity:Can you please help me another problem, I personnaly like the GNU x-windows. can I run it in debian? |
| 03:14.38 | Lob2k | abrotman: checking it out now. Can't seem to find anything similar though. |
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| 03:14.49 | mashiur | Gravity:How I can instal the GNU x-windows system? |
| 03:14.58 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: yeah .. he's like that |
| 03:15.02 | Lob2k | abrotman: Don't believe its an irq conflict, as other os's seem to work just fine. |
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| 03:15.10 | abrotman | Lob2k: i have a G40 .. 2.4Ghz .. no such issues |
| 03:15.22 | abrotman | !bounce Guerin |
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| 03:15.31 | Lob2k | abrotman: how do you like it? |
| 03:15.44 | Guerin | *poing* |
| 03:15.49 | abrotman | Lob2k: i love mine |
| 03:15.50 | Lob2k | is the screen resolution better than 1024x720? |
| 03:15.58 | Lob2k | that's the problem with this one. |
| 03:15.58 | abrotman | Lob2k: a bit heavy .. but everything works in linux |
| 03:16.00 | gravity | mashiur: I beg your pardon? |
| 03:16.09 | gravity | mashiur: What do you mean GNU X Windows? |
| 03:16.09 | abrotman | Lob2k: same resolution .. but i'm not a resolution freak |
| 03:16.15 | MobyTurbo | mashiur: X Windows is not from GNU |
| 03:16.30 | gravity | mashiur: Debian knows that KDE needs X, so it'll pull it in |
| 03:16.35 | Lob2k | I'm used to 1600x1200, so i constantly feel like i'm trapped in a fishbowl. |
| 03:16.40 | Guerin | x windows is what you do when you're expecting to be bombed |
| 03:16.48 | Guerin | nope |
| 03:16.48 | Lob2k | do you have bluetooth on yours? |
| 03:16.50 | cafuego | roo9: Append an '| xargs wget -c' to the end of that. |
| 03:16.53 | gravity | mashiur: You should install x-window-system |
| 03:16.53 | starscalling | ok |
| 03:16.55 | abrotman | Lob2k: yeah .. my last machine was 1024x768 on a 19" monitor :) |
| 03:16.58 | starscalling | i can connect with telnet |
| 03:17.02 | starscalling | how do i use it >< |
| 03:17.06 | Guerin | x con be run on a remote host, so it doesn't come in with kde |
| 03:17.16 | Lob2k | oh man. How do you multitask!? |
| 03:17.17 | abrotman | Lob2k: no .. i thought i had it .. but i don't .. but i'm thinking about replacing the mini-pci card .. so i might see if i can add it in then |
| 03:17.19 | Guerin | starscalling: WE WILL NOT HELP YOU CRACK THIS BOX |
| 03:17.24 | abrotman | Lob2k: quite well :) |
| 03:17.37 | Lob2k | lots of alt-tabbing?? :P |
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| 03:17.44 | mashiur | Sorry for the confusion. I don't know many thing about linux. Somedays ago I used the Morfix with GNU windows system. I liked that very much |
| 03:17.46 | abrotman | Lob2k: lots of viewports,etc |
| 03:17.48 | shingouz_ | Lob2k: And some caffeine |
| 03:17.57 | starscalling | lob ive used screen to good effect |
| 03:17.57 | Guerin | starscalling: call your host, pay the money... consider it a lesson in remote administration |
| 03:17.59 | gravity | mashiur: There's no such thing as GNU windows system |
| 03:18.01 | Lob2k | and a harem to fan you down too i presume. |
| 03:18.21 | gravity | There's the X Window System |
| 03:18.21 | Lob2k | are you guys irc'ing out of the terminal? |
| 03:18.30 | abrotman | seems most here use irssi |
| 03:18.31 | MobyTurbo | mashiur: maybe you mean GNOME, a GNU desktop envirnonment |
| 03:18.34 | Guerin | if you count a terminal emulator, yeah |
| 03:18.49 | Lob2k | a la xterm? |
| 03:18.50 | mashiur | sorry GNOME |
| 03:18.59 | mashiur | I remember now! |
| 03:18.59 | gravity | mashiur: apt-get install gnome if you want that |
| 03:19.02 | mashiur | sorry |
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| 03:19.10 | abrotman | Lob2k: xterm or kterm or gnome-terminal or rxvt etc |
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| 03:19.19 | mashiur | gravity: thanks |
| 03:19.27 | roo9 | cafuego: well.... that's inefficent; your better adding a '|wget -f-' |
| 03:19.39 | Lob2k | just using xchat right now here for the first time.. |
| 03:19.52 | Lob2k | what do you guys recommend? |
| 03:19.57 | abrotman | that's fine .. as long as you're comfortable with it .. |
| 03:19.58 | deadcat | vsftpd wont let reg user upload. what up? |
| 03:19.59 | Guerin | !irssi-text |
| 03:20.00 | dpkg | i guess irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 03:20.00 | roo9 | lob2k: i like xchat |
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| 03:20.05 | abrotman | i'd say xchat or irssi |
| 03:20.08 | Guerin | deadcat: man vsftpd.conf |
| 03:20.10 | roo9 | !xchat |
| 03:20.10 | dpkg | well, xchat is a nifty irc client that has gnome and transperancy and panel and shaded transperancy and scripting and other cool stuff, or broken because it eats private /msg at least half the time, or doesnt eat /msg at all for some people, or ask me about irc for some more clients |
| 03:20.18 | gravity | Yeah, xchat or irssi depending on your wants and needs |
| 03:20.27 | Xenguy | Lob2k: xchat is fine if you like the GUI; a lot of folks (me included) prefer irssi in a screen session |
| 03:20.28 | deadcat | Guerin: ya. not telling me )= |
| 03:20.37 | starscalling | !irc |
| 03:20.37 | dpkg | from memory, irc is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to it's patrons |
| 03:20.39 | abrotman | or if you like to use a whole operating system .. emacs has an irc client :) |
| 03:20.44 | Guerin | deadcat: your config is broken |
| 03:20.54 | Lob2k | just apt-getting it now. |
| 03:20.59 | graet | is there debian package for 'realplayer'. if not, what is the best alternative available? |
| 03:21.06 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: not just one IRC client, at least two |
| 03:21.15 | Guerin | graet: xine or mplayer, plus w32codecs |
| 03:21.15 | deadcat | Guerin: what options do i need? |
| 03:21.15 | tag | eh |
| 03:21.16 | abrotman | graet: helix-player |
| 03:21.16 | roo9 | graet: no, download helixcode player |
| 03:21.21 | tag | anyone use the atmel usb drivers? |
| 03:21.24 | Guerin | helixplayer si shite too |
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| 03:21.30 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: damned if i know .. i don't use emacs :) |
| 03:21.36 | Lob2k | do i want the gtk version or the txt version? |
| 03:21.37 | abrotman | Guerin: maybe so .. but it's packaged |
| 03:21.48 | abrotman | !tell graet about helix-playet |
| 03:21.49 | Guerin | deadcat: the ones which allow upload to registered users |
| 03:21.50 | gravity | Lob2k: Not the gtk. It's in bad shape and needs either love or death. |
| 03:21.50 | dsotm | im having a lot of trouble getting nfs-kernel-server running - i think its crashing but im not sure |
| 03:21.51 | abrotman | !tell graet about helix-player |
| 03:21.52 | Xenguy | Lob2k: I use irssi-text |
| 03:21.56 | deadcat | Guerin: ah. |
| 03:21.59 | scorphus | nite, kidos! |
| 03:22.03 | abrotman | graet: and make sure you read the FAQ |
| 03:22.09 | Lob2k | gravity: tx |
| 03:22.14 | deadcat | Guerin: chown_uploads? |
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| 03:22.22 | Guerin | deadcat: you also need to make sure the dir has the correct permissions for the 'ftpd' user or whoever to write to |
| 03:22.31 | HeatHawk | My grub locks up with my sata disk at "Grub Loading Stage 1.5", ideas? |
| 03:22.39 | Guerin | deadcat: there are several... it's quite straightforward from the manpage |
| 03:22.51 | deadcat | Guerin: /home/ftp is own by root. /home/ftp/deadcat is own by me. deadcat |
| 03:22.57 | graet | has helix-player been around long? is that the actual package name? |
| 03:23.14 | abrotman | graet: apt-cache search helix |
| 03:23.15 | deadcat | Guerin: normal user upload here. not anonymous though. |
| 03:23.32 | Lob2k | Man, if only i could get rid of this lag in my pointer/keyboard ... i'd be the happiest man alive. |
| 03:23.37 | kingsley | 1.) Why would "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86-dbg" not change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and 2.) why would XFree86-debug abort with "no screens found" in /var/log/XFree86.0.log when /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 has a "Screen" section? |
| 03:23.38 | graet | which is better, mplayer or helix-palyer? |
| 03:23.40 | mashiur | gravity: thanks but I can't start with startx |
| 03:23.41 | Guerin | deadcat: really, it's not hard to do... |
| 03:23.46 | abrotman | !better |
| 03:23.46 | dpkg | better is, like, a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 03:23.50 | Lob2k | its the equivalent of feeling disabled in real life.. |
| 03:23.57 | deadcat | Guerin: doh. i am cratching my head |
| 03:23.59 | Guerin | graet: mplayer is the best media player out there, afaic |
| 03:24.04 | mashiur | after the startx, the window blink then come to cosole again |
| 03:24.04 | Lob2k | i need a handicapped sign to put on my laptop here.. |
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| 03:24.25 | gravity | mashiur: Look in /var/log/XFree.log for the error |
| 03:24.27 | Guerin | mashiur: read /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:24.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:24.31 | user_ | mmm, any good chm readers? besides the xchm? |
| 03:24.35 | ethics | hmm ok so the factoid toldme stuff i already knew about....now to find a irc channel for linux audio or something |
| 03:24.47 | abrotman | Lob2k: are you using a -686 kernel ? |
| 03:25.01 | graet | i have tried 'apt-get install' mplayer, but no such package. |
| 03:25.09 | gravity | !tell graet about mplayer |
| 03:25.11 | abrotman | !tell graet about mplayer |
| 03:25.13 | cafuego | !tell graet -about marrilat |
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| 03:25.16 | user_ | lol |
| 03:25.27 | gravity | Can you tell that we get that question a lot? |
| 03:25.27 | user_ | now he gotta be flooded with factoids :) |
| 03:25.33 | Guerin | the 5-second rule served me well just then |
| 03:25.42 | cafuego | services him right for not using google to begin with |
| 03:25.43 | graet | !tell is not working? |
| 03:25.55 | Guerin | graet: just /msg dpkg marillat |
| 03:25.56 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 03:26.05 | mashiur | gravity: there are many error in there. |
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| 03:26.07 | abrotman | Lob2k: ? |
| 03:26.21 | Guerin | mashiur: look only at lines beginning with WW and EE |
| 03:26.22 | gravity | mashiur: Not all of them are errors. Most are just messages. |
| 03:26.23 | user_ | you guys happen to know .chm file readers besides xchm? |
| 03:26.25 | dsotm | how can i tell if a kernel module is crashing? |
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| 03:26.34 | dsotm | i think im getting a stack trace, but ive never seen anything like it before |
| 03:26.36 | abrotman | probably unload itself ? |
| 03:26.37 | Lob2k | abortman: nope. |
| 03:26.42 | abrotman | Lob2k: uname -r |
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| 03:26.55 | Lob2k | 2.6.11.8 |
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| 03:27.02 | abrotman | you compiled yourself ? |
| 03:27.03 | deadcat | Guerin: i really cant find the option i need. |
| 03:27.06 | mashiur | gravity: (WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/usr/share/fonts/truetype". |
| 03:27.26 | abrotman | Lob2k: did you try a debian kernel ? |
| 03:27.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Ftp running? |
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| 03:27.34 | graet | '/msg' is not working |
| 03:27.41 | cafuego | mashiur: That's a warning, not an error. |
| 03:27.43 | Guerin | graet: worksforme |
| 03:27.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: running. can login. just cant upload shit. |
| 03:27.52 | Lob2k | abrotman, I just downloaded it from kernel.org |
| 03:28.00 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: LoL... better then before ;) |
| 03:28.06 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 03:28.06 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 03:28.10 | abrotman | Lob2k: care to try a debian kernel ? |
| 03:28.11 | Guerin | Lob2k: ^^^ |
| 03:28.11 | deadcat | ya. |
| 03:28.38 | user_ | you guys happen to know .chm file readers besides xchm? |
| 03:28.46 | abrotman | user_: apt-cache search chm |
| 03:28.50 | Guerin | !tell user_ about repeat |
| 03:28.55 | cheal | I couldn't agree more with statistics :) |
| 03:29.06 | mashiur | gravity: Can I reinstall the x again. I think that will be quick? |
| 03:29.10 | Lob2k | abrotman: could do. |
| 03:29.14 | gravity | mashiur: That's not your problem |
| 03:29.19 | gravity | mashiur: Find the error |
| 03:29.21 | user_ | Guerin sry, that was the last time i was going to repeat :) |
| 03:29.30 | Lob2k | abrotman: you think it would help? |
| 03:29.31 | deadcat | cafuego: do you use vsftpd? i am trying to make a regular user upload some stuff. but its not letting me |
| 03:29.33 | abrotman | Lob2k: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:29.34 | Guerin | mashiur: grep ^EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:29.40 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Been working too... no more cant connect errors... but errr... not all windows programs I try to use to print crash.. heheheh |
| 03:29.40 | abrotman | Lob2k: it could .. can't see why it would hurt |
| 03:29.46 | shingouz_ | tictac: What kind of cpu you have there. A 486? |
| 03:29.57 | tictac | shingouz_: P4 3.06 |
| 03:29.58 | TwistedEmotions | *now |
| 03:30.00 | Lob2k | is there a howto about this somewhere? |
| 03:30.10 | Lob2k | how much of this is done automatically for me etc, |
| 03:30.11 | mashiur | gravity: after grep nothing come |
| 03:30.12 | Guerin | you don't need a damn howto to install a kernel |
| 03:30.15 | abrotman | Lob2k: it's pretty easy .. it just installs an image .. |
| 03:30.20 | abrotman | Lob2k: which bootloader? |
| 03:30.21 | shingouz_ | tictac: Then you mus have a problem if the installer takes that long to run it |
| 03:30.26 | Guerin | !drxx mashiur |
| 03:30.27 | dpkg | mashiur: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 03:30.29 | gravity | mashiur: Start from the bottom of the file and go up until you find the error |
| 03:30.31 | graet | apt-cache search marillat produces nothing |
| 03:30.32 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: that printer is very tempting for me now (= |
| 03:30.35 | tictac | shingouz_: so, do i blame the sarge installer then? |
| 03:30.37 | Lob2k | I'm using lilo right now.. |
| 03:30.41 | Guerin | mashiur: choose a lower resolution and/or refresh rate |
| 03:30.46 | abrotman | Lob2k: i use grub .. and it seems to work pretty well |
| 03:30.47 | gravity | graet: Did you even read the factoids? |
| 03:30.54 | tictac | shingouz_: ive downloaded multiple sarge netinstall isos and they all have the same issues |
| 03:31.08 | shingouz_ | tictac: I do not know. Exotic hardware? |
| 03:31.13 | Lob2k | Yea i use grub on my other system. |
| 03:31.15 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I KNOW you are tired of paper & pen :) |
| 03:31.20 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 03:31.21 | tictac | shingouz_: no. inspiron 5150. |
| 03:31.25 | Lob2k | booting ubuntu. |
| 03:31.31 | graet | how to? |
| 03:31.40 | Guerin | !irritate graet |
| 03:31.41 | dpkg | graet: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh grafixx windows ????? |
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| 03:32.01 | gravity | I think I'm done with tech support for tonight. I don't have the patience for it. |
| 03:32.06 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:32.12 | Guerin | !beer gravity |
| 03:32.17 | abrotman | give him more! |
| 03:32.26 | Lob2k | abrotman: btw did you have to do any configuration of your touchpad drivers? |
| 03:32.28 | Guerin | yeah, because more beer makes people more patient |
| 03:32.35 | gravity | hehe |
| 03:32.49 | abrotman | Lob2k: i purposefully didn't get one with a trackpoint . i'm incompatible with them :) |
| 03:32.52 | shingouz_ | tictac: I have to say I do not have a clue as I havent had any problems with the installer on hell of a lot slower computers with exotic hardware. Unless your hardware is somehow flaky it shoudl be faster |
| 03:32.54 | abrotman | err |
| 03:33.01 | abrotman | Lob2k: err .. i mean touchpad . i have a trackpoint |
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| 03:33.05 | MobyTurbo | tictac: you really need to make a bug report about it with "bugreport" or bugs.debian.org, I'm sure they don't want to release it with the bug you're talking about. |
| 03:33.14 | abrotman | Lob2k: touchpads stink IMO |
| 03:33.23 | abrotman | Lob2k: and no . i didn't |
| 03:33.24 | graet | i only want info for a player, i was told about mplayer and helix-palyer. i tried to install mplayer, failed. what can i do? i am not trying to irritate anybody. |
| 03:33.37 | mashiur | gravity: I can't solve the problem |
| 03:33.38 | Guerin | !mplayer |
| 03:33.38 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> |
| 03:33.40 | Lob2k | abrotman: eg >> http://tinyurl.com/84nrz |
| 03:33.54 | Guerin | !marillat |
| 03:33.55 | dpkg | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 03:34.02 | abrotman | Lob2k: i did not .. i have no touchpad .. only trackpoint(thank god) |
| 03:34.03 | Guerin | graet: there you go. |
| 03:34.04 | Lob2k | abrotman: i agree with you, unfortunately, sometimes you can't get around them. |
| 03:34.08 | ethics | graet: you need to add the mirillat sources to your sources list for apt the apt-get update then apt-get install mplayer and win32 codecs i think it is |
| 03:34.11 | mashiur | gravity: I can't install the gnome too |
| 03:34.13 | graet | ok, this is better, thanks. |
| 03:34.14 | Guerin | graet: when you're finished, I'd like my silver platter back. |
| 03:34.14 | abrotman | Lob2k: that's why i got a G40 .. no touchpad |
| 03:34.15 | gravity | mashiur: Did you run "apt-get install x-window-system"? |
| 03:34.21 | Lob2k | Ah: I have both. |
| 03:34.21 | abrotman | gravity: hide .. |
| 03:34.22 | mashiur | gravity: yes |
| 03:34.29 | graet | what does that mean? |
| 03:34.29 | abrotman | Lob2k: yeah .. i don't .. i hate touchpads |
| 03:34.31 | Lob2k | but you probably know that. |
| 03:34.33 | Lob2k | :P |
| 03:34.44 | mashiur | gravity: but I don't know many things about these config |
| 03:34.48 | gravity | mashiur: If you can't find the error then I can't help you. Try installing discover, read-edid, and mdetect as well. |
| 03:34.51 | cheal | Guerin: how many of those didn't come back to you? |
| 03:35.01 | gravity | mashiur: Then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and let it do its thing |
| 03:35.02 | Guerin | cheal: ? |
| 03:35.07 | gravity | mashiur: But I can't help you if you can't tell me anything |
| 03:35.15 | cheal | Guerin: the silver platters |
| 03:35.17 | mashiur | gravity. |
| 03:35.22 | Guerin | cheal: i have stock in the company |
| 03:35.31 | mashiur | gravity: Ok here I start the commanddpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:35.38 | cheal | Guerin: ah...that explains :) |
| 03:35.49 | mashiur | gravity: |
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| 03:35.57 | gravity | ... |
| 03:35.58 | mashiur | gravity: Configuring xserver-xfree86 window come |
| 03:36.11 | gravity | mashiur: All I need to know is the error. |
| 03:36.12 | mashiur | gravity: Which shold I click? |
| 03:36.22 | gravity | mashiur: I have no idea. |
| 03:36.31 | gravity | mashiur: Configure it for your hardware. I don't know what you need. |
| 03:36.33 | Guerin | lordy |
| 03:36.43 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: goddammit. its uploading. |
| 03:36.51 | TwistedEmotions | lol.. |
| 03:36.52 | Guerin | deadcat: what did you do? |
| 03:36.52 | MobyTurbo | it's still Sunday |
| 03:37.01 | gravity | MobyTurbo: Indeed. I'd forgotten. |
| 03:37.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Almost got printer fixed ;) |
| 03:37.02 | MobyTurbo | !sunday |
| 03:37.02 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:37.06 | deadcat | it was the stupid writable_enable=YES |
| 03:37.07 | Guerin | oh yeah, still sunday in stupidsville |
| 03:37.17 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cool (= |
| 03:37.18 | Guerin | deadcat: oh, you mean the safety catch |
| 03:37.20 | abrotman | Guerin: texas ? |
| 03:37.25 | Guerin | abrotman: that too |
| 03:37.28 | deadcat | Guerin: waht catch? |
| 03:37.28 | peterS | we'll be out of Sunday in 3.5 hours in the continental US |
| 03:37.42 | Guerin | deadcat: the safety catch, without which, nothing gets uploaded |
| 03:37.48 | mashiur | gravity: Thanks gravity. I should try to reinstall my debian again. probaly it will solve my problem. Last time after installation it worked nicely. |
| 03:37.50 | Guerin | you know, like a master switch |
| 03:37.52 | deadcat | Guerin: oh ya. that damn thing )= |
| 03:37.56 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know when I run /usr/bin/tail /var/log/cups/error_log and get a bunch of get_jobs: resource name '/printers/brother printer' no good! what the problem is? |
| 03:38.00 | mashiur | gravity: Anyway thanks for your nice help |
| 03:38.02 | MobyTurbo | just 20 minutes for me. :-) |
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| 03:38.06 | gravity | mashiur: Good luck |
| 03:38.07 | homedad_ | !kmenubug |
| 03:38.20 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: the passwd is school initial for his account. from now on. create users with shell -s /etc/ftponly |
| 03:38.22 | peterS | MobyTurbo: yeah but you're an hour too far east for my taste |
| 03:38.22 | gravity | Normally I'd say "don't reinstall" but in this case... yeah. Knock yourself out. |
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| 03:38.49 | TwistedEmotions | ak....: school initials? |
| 03:39.26 | peterS | MobyTurbo: if I were referring to California time I'd say you were 3 hours too far east |
| 03:39.54 | ethics | is there an IRC channel search website at all? im looking for a MIDI channel |
| 03:40.03 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: LoL... wrong computer.. |
| 03:40.10 | MobyTurbo | peterS: what part of North America are you? |
| 03:40.17 | peterS | MobyTurbo: an hour west of you |
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| 03:40.27 | Guerin | ethics: /list |
| 03:40.28 | peterS | MobyTurbo: specifically KS |
| 03:40.29 | MobyTurbo | peterS: OK. |
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| 03:40.46 | ethics | guerin no i mean multiple networks...nothing on freenode i can see |
| 03:40.51 | MobyTurbo | peterS: I have a friend from Kansas City, does that count? ;-) |
| 03:40.57 | Guerin | ethics: no idea |
| 03:41.05 | ethics | guerin cool thanx hehe |
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| 03:41.08 | Guerin | depends which kansas city |
| 03:41.13 | peterS | MobyTurbo: heh. I'm a few hours from there, but it *is* the same TZ |
| 03:41.57 | mwilson | Ok, transplanted my baby. |
| 03:42.10 | mwilson | Back into smaller case again... |
| 03:42.10 | abrotman | mwilson: you have some weird hobbies |
| 03:42.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:42.17 | MobyTurbo | peterS: someone I went to college with said the state of Missouri should be pronounced "Misery" |
| 03:42.26 | peterS | heh |
| 03:42.30 | mwilson | abrotman: Hm? Nah, just getting rid of horribly huge tower case now that I don't need it any more. |
| 03:42.31 | peterS | I've never found it so unpleasant as *that* |
| 03:42.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Did you set up yourself a login cause I want to change akash's password? |
| 03:42.40 | deadcat | :wq |
| 03:42.43 | deadcat | oops |
| 03:42.51 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U use password akash right? |
| 03:42.52 | abrotman | mwilson: good plan |
| 03:42.58 | user_ | mmm, offtopic, any decent literature to read, non technical? :P |
| 03:43.04 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: passwd akash |
| 03:43.09 | MobyTurbo | peterS: I have old relatives and ancestors from MO, but they lived in/near St. Louis |
| 03:43.18 | Guerin | user_: joseph conrad |
| 03:43.29 | user_ | Guerin anything in particular? |
| 03:43.46 | MobyTurbo | user_: Philip K. Dick |
| 03:43.52 | Guerin | user_: heart of darkness, karain, nostromo, lord jim |
| 03:43.54 | Guerin | in that order |
| 03:43.56 | user_ | Guerin, sounds familiar, but can't recall |
| 03:44.05 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: thanks man ;) Lub you... open use for whatever you need.. and download all you want... you know login and everything.. |
| 03:44.16 | mwilson | Ok, one more cable to hook up... rear speakers |
| 03:44.17 | mwilson | hrm |
| 03:44.21 | mwilson | where'd it go... |
| 03:44.25 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cool. tahnks |
| 03:44.32 | user_ | Guerin thnx |
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| 03:44.44 | user_ | MobyTurbo the same question to you, anything in particular? |
| 03:44.45 | Guerin | i've decided I like the Baroqe Cycle too |
| 03:44.49 | Guerin | even if it is a bit slow |
| 03:44.58 | Guerin | put a spare u in there if you see one |
| 03:45.04 | peterS | Guerin: stephenson? |
| 03:45.09 | Guerin | peterS: yeah |
| 03:45.19 | peterS | Guerin: haven't read that series yet. you thought it was worthwhile? |
| 03:45.24 | MobyTurbo | user_: "The Man in the High Castle" "Ubik" the "Valis" trilogy, "Maze of Death", among many others - he was prolific. |
| 03:45.39 | Guerin | peterS: everyone bags it for being a bit dull... but it's extremely well written, and very complicated |
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| 03:45.47 | Guerin | i don't mind long books |
| 03:46.17 | user_ | thanks :) |
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| 03:47.57 | Pyroscroll | hey |
| 03:48.02 | Pyroscroll | please help me someone |
| 03:48.07 | Pyroscroll | i just installed debian |
| 03:48.13 | deadcat | Pyroscroll: me too. |
| 03:48.13 | homedad_ | !bar3 |
| 03:48.23 | Pyroscroll | the deal is though i must have pressed enter at some screen on accident |
| 03:48.37 | deadcat | Pyroscroll: you're fucked |
| 03:48.41 | Pyroscroll | anyways |
| 03:48.44 | Pyroscroll | teh only thing |
| 03:48.46 | Pyroscroll | thats messed up |
| 03:48.47 | Pyroscroll | is |
| 03:48.47 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:48.50 | Guerin | !enter |
| 03:48.51 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 03:48.51 | deadcat | !tell Pyroscroll about enter |
| 03:49.22 | Pyroscroll | my keyboard seems to be disabled where i type the root password |
| 03:49.32 | Guerin | hahah |
| 03:49.32 | Pyroscroll | so i cant type |
| 03:49.33 | deadcat | oh baby. another ep of family guy (= |
| 03:49.35 | Guerin | it's not |
| 03:49.44 | Pyroscroll | can i configure the keyboard somehow |
| 03:49.45 | MobyTurbo | Pyroscroll: password does not echo back for a reason |
| 03:49.47 | Guerin | Pyroscroll: the password isn't shown |
| 03:49.53 | Pyroscroll | no |
| 03:49.53 | Pyroscroll | bujt |
| 03:49.57 | Pyroscroll | my keyboard is disabled |
| 03:50.01 | Guerin | Pyroscroll: so that someone shoulder-surfing can't tell how long it is |
| 03:50.08 | Pyroscroll | like when i press caps lock the key dosent light up |
| 03:50.22 | Guerin | Pyroscroll: when you type your password and hit enter, what happen? |
| 03:50.24 | abrotman | Pyroscroll: stop hitting enter every third word |
| 03:50.31 | Pyroscroll | it dosent dot anything |
| 03:50.49 | Guerin | what sort of keyboard? |
| 03:50.54 | MobyTurbo | seven minutes 'till Monday |
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| 03:51.00 | Pyroscroll | regular keyboard |
| 03:51.05 | Xenguy | MobyTurbo: ;-) |
| 03:51.10 | Guerin | Pyroscroll: what is 'regular' to you? |
| 03:51.14 | abrotman | kernel failure .. or module disabled for security reasons |
| 03:51.19 | Guerin | serial? ps/2? usb? |
| 03:51.21 | abrotman | or hardware failure .. |
| 03:51.23 | Pyroscroll | ps2 |
| 03:51.29 | Guerin | ok |
| 03:51.33 | Pyroscroll | my mouse works |
| 03:51.42 | Pyroscroll | it even finds my wacom tablet and my midi controller |
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| 03:51.54 | Guerin | Pyroscroll: ok. when you boot, you should get a list of kernels to boot from, right? |
| 03:52.02 | Pyroscroll | yeah |
| 03:52.04 | rrt | Is there a package to install Java runtime in sarge? |
| 03:52.10 | Guerin | Pyroscroll: does your keyboard work there? |
| 03:52.18 | Guerin | !tell rrt about java-package |
| 03:52.18 | Pyroscroll | where |
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| 03:52.25 | abrotman | at your bootloader menu |
| 03:52.26 | Guerin | Pyroscroll: on the initial boot screen |
| 03:52.30 | asdfg | previously graet. i am trying to use xine. hv installed libxine1 fr my cdrom. no selection for xine in kde menu for multimedia. am i setup for xine? if not, how? |
| 03:52.34 | abrotman | ie .. lilo or grub menu |
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| 03:52.49 | Guerin | asdfg: apt-get install kaffeine |
| 03:52.54 | Guerin | asdfg: it's a kde front to xine |
| 03:53.09 | asdfg | ok, thks. |
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| 03:53.23 | user_ | mm, waht is is X Terminal is used ( some hardware box that i picked up, says explora Pro model NCD on it) |
| 03:53.26 | abrotman | Guerin: did someone tell him about the codecs ? |
| 03:53.39 | Guerin | abrotman: exhaustively. But he'll probably ask again :) |
| 03:53.42 | toresbe | user_: ...are you asking what an X terminal is? :P |
| 03:54.01 | user_ | toresbe not the xterm (not software) but the hardware that ipicked up |
| 03:54.07 | toresbe | yeah |
| 03:54.16 | toresbe | well, an X terminal is basically just a hardware X server |
| 03:54.27 | toresbe | you can log on to other machines usually with XDMCP |
| 03:54.34 | Pyroscroll | ill brb |
| 03:54.38 | Pyroscroll | give it a try 1 more time |
| 03:55.09 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you didnt give that dumbass ssh access did you? |
| 03:55.10 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 03:55.49 | user_ | toresbe hrm.. so what is it used for, and what can i do with it? sorry i'm lame... :( |
| 03:55.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no. his shell is /etc/ftponly. try to ssh with his account (= |
| 03:56.04 | toresbe | user_: nothing lame about it |
| 03:56.16 | Guerin | user_: it means you can put your computer in a closet where it's not noisy and bulky, and use this terminal on your desk |
| 03:56.20 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk.. just cause hes dumb and will end up crashing the server... somehow or another |
| 03:56.31 | toresbe | user_: well, you can put it on the network, and put the machine somewhere else |
| 03:56.37 | toresbe | voila, completely silent computer |
| 03:56.53 | user_ | Guerin so, does that mean i still have to run the Xwindowing system on it? |
| 03:56.54 | starscalling | ok |
| 03:57.03 | user_ | it == computer |
| 03:57.05 | starscalling | perhaps yall could explain this: |
| 03:57.16 | toresbe | user_: not the server, but the libraries |
| 03:57.24 | Guerin | user_: no, because the x server will be on the terminal - only the x client apps will run from your server |
| 03:57.31 | starscalling | if one cannot do anything usefull in ports not designed for stuff like telnet then what is the point of a firewall? |
| 03:57.41 | Guerin | starscalling: good qyestion |
| 03:57.48 | starscalling | hehe |
| 03:57.59 | Guerin | starscalling: the key is that some people CAN do things which are useful. |
| 03:58.07 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: why do you have portmap running on the server? |
| 03:58.12 | abrotman | starscalling: you're still trying to crack that box ? |
| 03:58.15 | starscalling | well |
| 03:58.18 | user_ | so, what will the xterminal runing? and how does that has to be setup on my machine? does it have to intercat with the machine somehow, besides the network connection? |
| 03:58.26 | starscalling | as you havnt seen a \o/ that would be a good guess |
| 03:58.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: dont know? Didnt know it was? |
| 03:58.29 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 03:59.21 | Guerin | starscalling: the only purpose of an open port is to allow access to a computer. That can be legitimate access, using the protocol for which the service running on that port was designed, or it can be exploitative access, using some other technique to gain access. |
| 04:00.00 | Guerin | normally, the first is easy to do if you know the protocol, but not much use to an attacker. The second is often very hard to do, but can potentially provide more access. |
| 04:00.35 | Xenguy | midnight - dangerous time for some =) |
| 04:00.45 | user_ | :) |
| 04:00.46 | ethics | starscalling: also ports can be open to one card and not to another....which is the basis of a firewall....having 2 nics |
| 04:00.59 | bob2 | the clock on the wall says a quarter past miiiiiiiiiiidnight |
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| 04:01.16 | Guerin | starscalling: the chances of you, a complete newb, cracking a reasonably up-to-date debian box, are very slim. Just get the host to fix it. |
| 04:01.27 | Cueball_Laptop | !dpkg help |
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| 04:04.52 | jorgp | anyone else having issues with dfsbuild? |
| 04:04.59 | jorgp | I can not get it to work |
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| 04:05.53 | makaveli | hello |
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| 04:06.56 | makaveli | can ne body help me with linksys wireless? |
| 04:07.30 | bob2 | not unless you have a more specific question |
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| 04:07.49 | peterS | also, 'anybody' is the same number of characters as 'ne body' and is so much easier to parse |
| 04:07.56 | makaveli | ok i have a linksys wpc54g car |
| 04:08.05 | makaveli | sorry about that |
| 04:08.07 | makaveli | card |
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| 04:08.24 | makaveli | i don't know how to get the driver installed so that it will work |
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| 04:09.03 | bob2 | what chipset is it? |
| 04:09.08 | bob2 | does linux support it at all? |
| 04:09.19 | makaveli | it should |
| 04:09.26 | graet | installed kaffeine. is it better for config it as helper app for mms and rtsp or not? |
| 04:09.28 | cafuego | wpc54g is (afaik) a broadcom |
| 04:09.32 | makaveli | i think i have to use the windows driver though |
| 04:09.35 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: forgot you had access to the box. I changed the root passwd... |
| 04:09.52 | cafuego | makaveli: This isn't #windows. |
| 04:09.57 | makaveli | i know that |
| 04:10.00 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: msg me for it |
| 04:10.03 | graet | i mean 'to config it as helper' |
| 04:10.11 | makaveli | but how do i install the driver for the card |
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| 04:10.35 | dogayonv | Hello everyone |
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| 04:11.38 | dogayonv | Will anyone help me, My problem is I cant get X to go into a higher screen resoulution. its in 1024x768 I want to go into 1920x1600 I have edited the XF86Config and -4 files and added the resoulutions but it still wont go. |
| 04:11.43 | ethics | anyone know how to configure /dev/sequencer? |
| 04:11.44 | makaveli | do u know where the tutorial is for ndiswrapper or is there another program that i can use |
| 04:11.56 | gokee2 | Hey all I have a four page pdf and I want to make it into a one page pdf with the pages in a layout so I can fold it into a card... Anyone know of a way to do this? |
| 04:12.11 | graet | i alos hv kaboodle, Noatun and xmms. spoilt for choice and confused too. are they useful now that i have xine? |
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| 04:12.31 | Guerin | xmms is |
| 04:12.36 | peterS | gokee2: 'psbook' from the psutils package *might* be able to do that sort of thing |
| 04:12.57 | Guerin | but only because kaffeine uses stupid evil xml playlists, whereas xine uses plain old text ones |
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| 04:13.07 | peterS | gokee2: come to think of it you'll probably have to run pdftops on it first |
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| 04:13.42 | graet | xmms is what? |
| 04:13.44 | gokee2 | peterS, Thank you all look into that |
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| 04:14.59 | graet | any site with short (<10Mb) video clips to download for testing? |
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| 04:15.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nah. its cool. dont want to accidently rm -rf /* on your box. heheh |
| 04:16.00 | deadcat | weather is Haze outside )= |
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| 04:16.43 | graet | !xmms |
| 04:16.43 | dpkg | xmms is probably X MultiMedia System. Obtain it from http://www.xmms.org/, or screwed up because it renices to -3 automatically on debian woody, and you can't de-automate it. |
| 04:17.11 | dogayonv | Can someone help me? Im trying to get X to go into 1920x1600 screen resolution I have edited the XF86config and -4 files and added the screen size but it still will only do 1024x768 as max size |
| 04:17.17 | graet | !kaboodle |
| 04:17.18 | Guerin | graet: bbc.co.uk? |
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| 04:17.36 | starscalling | Guerin, i told my host to do a reboot, im just trying to beat him to it |
| 04:17.41 | graet | !Noatun |
| 04:17.41 | dpkg | methinks noatun is a media player for KDE2. See http://noatun.kde.org/, or a project by some crazed lunatic who thinks he is ruler of the world. the mythological home of the mythological Njård |
| 04:17.49 | Guerin | dogayonv: don't ever edit XF86Config* |
| 04:17.58 | starscalling | if that doesnt work then whenever my fucking netadmin gets back he can crack the motherfucker i guess |
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| 04:18.08 | Guerin | starscalling: yeah, right. |
| 04:18.22 | dogayonv | Guerin ok but X works fine except for not going into my new resolution :) Can you help please? |
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| 04:18.30 | starscalling | i thought i was gonna have to have the box pulled anyway |
| 04:18.37 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you sure you dont want access? I dont care.. your free to install anything you want on there... |
| 04:18.41 | Guerin | !tell dogayonv about xmd5 |
| 04:19.07 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nah. thats cool. since my desktop is up sometimes (= |
| 04:19.08 | graet | !kaffeine |
| 04:19.20 | Pyroscroll | yeah |
| 04:19.23 | dogayonv | well I made abackup before I edited it so Im safe :) |
| 04:19.28 | Guerin | dogayonv: do that, then do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and fiddle some refresh rates etc. You might be able to get your stupidly high resolution, but only at a certain refresh. |
| 04:19.41 | Guerin | graet: wtf are you doing? |
| 04:20.04 | graet | trying to get some info |
| 04:20.09 | simonrvn | annoying the hell out of us |
| 04:20.16 | Guerin | graet: just fucking ask |
| 04:20.19 | Guerin | christ |
| 04:20.23 | graet | why is that so? |
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| 04:20.35 | graet | you may learn something fr it too. |
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| 04:20.44 | simonrvn | because. and don't ask dumb questions |
| 04:20.55 | dogayonv | Guerin I dont know all the technical details about my video card Im scared I might damage something using dpkg reconfigure |
| 04:21.06 | dogayonv | its asking me for the bus identifier which I dont know |
| 04:21.17 | peterS | dogayonv: the bus ID is almost never important. leave it blank |
| 04:21.18 | dogayonv | and I know the refresh rates could damage my monitor |
| 04:21.26 | simonrvn | ignore it. that's not going to break anything |
| 04:21.31 | dogayonv | ok |
| 04:21.32 | dogayonv | thanks :) |
| 04:21.35 | simonrvn | (picid shit) |
| 04:21.39 | simonrvn | pci* |
| 04:21.40 | Guerin | dogayonv: you're FAR more likely to damage it if you edit the file by hand |
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| 04:21.56 | Guerin | !hwinfo |
| 04:21.57 | dpkg | well, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 04:22.00 | dogayonv | it asked how much memory is 64 ok for 64 meg or do I need to type it another way? |
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| 04:22.06 | graet | Guerin: may i fuck you? |
| 04:22.13 | Guerin | dogayonv: just leave it blank |
| 04:22.17 | Guerin | gratuit: you can fuck yourself |
| 04:22.21 | Guerin | gah |
| 04:22.31 | Guerin | gratuit: sorry, that was for graet |
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| 04:22.37 | gratuit | ah, I was wondering |
| 04:22.40 | peterS | hehe |
| 04:22.41 | furrywolf | lol |
| 04:22.47 | deadcat | damn i am getting better at guessing these fucking stupid commercials. (= |
| 04:22.57 | starscalling | hey peterS |
| 04:23.08 | starscalling | remember the machine i was fixing last night? |
| 04:23.17 | Guerin | he's fixed ti good now |
| 04:23.17 | peterS | starscalling: vaguely. that was a long time ago (: |
| 04:23.27 | starscalling | for some reason it wont accept conections on the port that i was putty'ing in on |
| 04:23.31 | peterS | starscalling: wait, you're the one who had to reinstall perl-base and crap like that? |
| 04:23.34 | starscalling | yeah |
| 04:23.36 | dogayonv | my max monitor res isnt listed as one of the choices should I restart the config and choose advanced I chose medium |
| 04:23.43 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you should setup noip for the ftp server so you dont have to remember the ip (= |
| 04:23.53 | peterS | starscalling: so now sshd is not listening on port 22? |
| 04:23.56 | starscalling | would a reboot fix that or did i just forget something ? |
| 04:23.57 | starscalling | yeah |
| 04:23.57 | Guerin | dogayonv: hwinfo --monitor lists ALL POSSIBLE modes |
| 04:24.05 | gratuit | anyone know of any benchmarking suites around that I could use to test out my machine? |
| 04:24.05 | Guerin | dogayonv: choose one listed there and it will work |
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| 04:24.11 | peterS | starscalling: how would you reboot? are you already connected? |
| 04:24.13 | starscalling | i told my host to do a reboot but who knows how long that will take >< |
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| 04:24.20 | peterS | ahhh |
| 04:24.20 | Guerin | gratuit: what do you want to measure? |
| 04:24.21 | dogayonv | in windows my card does 1920x1600 |
| 04:24.23 | starscalling | they got to walk over to the machine etc |
| 04:24.26 | JosephSpiros | Hmm, I did a dist-upgrade yesterday or the day before on my sarge boxes |
| 04:24.43 | JosephSpiros | and on one of them, key-based authentication on ssh |
| 04:24.46 | JosephSpiros | has stopped working :( |
| 04:25.00 | gratuit | Guerin: just something to use so that I could compare my memory speed, various aspects of my cpu, etc. |
| 04:25.00 | Guerin | dogayonv: what modes are listed by hwinfo? |
| 04:25.04 | JosephSpiros | I diff'd the sshd_configs between the machine that doesn't work, and one that does |
| 04:25.10 | starscalling | yeah so i have apparently 1 totally open port and 2 partially open ones lol |
| 04:25.15 | JosephSpiros | and I made sure that both machines have identical keys set up |
| 04:25.15 | Guerin | gratuit: apt-cache search benchmark |
| 04:25.16 | dogayonv | 1920x1440 @ 60 and @ 75 |
| 04:25.20 | starscalling | i can log in with like telnet and connect just not do anything >< |
| 04:25.31 | dogayonv | which refresh should I use my computer is laptop with uxga lcd |
| 04:25.39 | Guerin | dogayonv: that 160 pixels really mean so much to you? |
| 04:25.45 | Guerin | dogayonv: gah |
| 04:26.02 | dogayonv | Im working with graphics |
| 04:26.08 | dogayonv | pixels matter :P |
| 04:26.08 | Guerin | dogayonv: if it's a laptop, it doesn't use 1920x1600 - it uses 1920x1440 |
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| 04:26.28 | Guerin | dogayonv: i know this, because an lcd screen has a fixed number of pixels at a fixed pitch |
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| 04:26.37 | Guerin | dogayonv: working with graphics, you should KNOW this |
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| 04:26.50 | dogayonv | let me find something for you brb |
| 04:26.51 | krezel | Has anybody here had any success with NSTX? |
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| 04:27.12 | gokee2 | peterS, I looked at pdftops and don`t see what it can do for me..... It does not seem to do anything ecept "size things"? |
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| 04:27.45 | peterS | gokee2: pdftops turns a PDF file into a PostScript file. psbook can lay out a PostScript file onto a page in various ways. possibly including the way you want. psbook can't operate directly on a PDF file |
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| 04:27.59 | starscalling | so i guess i was wondering if there was something that i missed peterS or something that you would recommend.. |
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| 04:28.26 | dogayonv | Im sorry its 1920x1200 |
| 04:28.27 | JosephSpiros | Does anyone know of anything that might've changed during the dist-upgrade that would stop my public key authentication from working? |
| 04:28.44 | gokee2 | peterS, O ok thanks |
| 04:28.47 | karsten | JosephSpiros: Version 1 vs. 2? |
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| 04:28.50 | dogayonv | what resolution should I choose 75 or 60? |
| 04:28.59 | karsten | JosephSpiros: ...or server key. |
| 04:29.03 | JosephSpiros | karsten: I've been using Version 2 exclusively on all of my machines for months, and it's been working |
| 04:29.03 | peterS | dogayonv: whatever works. try 60 first |
| 04:29.05 | user_ | also anothe question i picked up some other stuff, TPT 802.3 10baste-T transceiver, any idea what that is? |
| 04:29.10 | furrywolf | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33205&item=5772325441&rd=1 <== wtf?! am I the only one that's noticed there's almost no difference between a $1 and a $10 audio cable, much less a $800 one?! lol |
| 04:29.16 | karsten | JosephSpiros: 'ssh -v <user@host>' |
| 04:29.23 | peterS | user_: transceiver from what to twisted-pair? |
| 04:29.25 | JosephSpiros | karsten: i've done that, it hasn't been of much help |
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| 04:29.29 | peterS | user_: from AUI, from thinwire - what? |
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| 04:29.42 | karsten | JosephSpiros: You local IP address or hostname? How's it fail? Server-side logs? |
| 04:29.46 | dogayonv | brb gonna try it |
| 04:29.48 | kyu | Hey guys, got a nice debian screenshot for ya if you're interested |
| 04:29.51 | karsten | !tell JosephSpiros about paster |
| 04:29.53 | dogayonv | exit |
| 04:29.54 | asdfdito | hola como estan |
| 04:30.02 | karsten | JosephSpiros: Post '-v' output. Scrub your passwords. |
| 04:30.05 | asdfdito | sorry |
| 04:30.14 | JosephSpiros | karsten: it'll do "try pubkey: /path/to/id_dsa" followed by "send_pubkey_test" followed by "we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply" "authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive", and then "we did not send a packet, disable method" |
| 04:30.14 | furrywolf | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14966&item=5772353857&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW <== 10ft speaker cables. "Originally sold new for $2395". some people shouldn't be allowed to make purchasing decisions... |
| 04:30.27 | user_ | peterS i have no clue, i'm rather new in networking, looks like one is rj45 connectro, and another one is 15 pin connector, like the monitor one |
| 04:30.28 | gokee2 | peterS, sorry one more thing Gokee2:/home/gokee2/Writtings/Mothers Day# psbook test.ps bash: /usr/bin/psbook: cannot execute binary file do you know whats wrong? |
| 04:30.38 | JosephSpiros | karsten: after that it just goes on with keyboard-interactive |
| 04:30.46 | karsten | JosephSpiros: Post the complete output. |
| 04:30.50 | peterS | user_: 15 pin is AUI. used for thickwire Ethernet and such. you see it on a lot of old Unix workstations |
| 04:30.51 | jorgp | I have a complete sarge mirror in /mirrors/debian/sarge and in dfs.cfg I have the repos as mirror=file:///mirrors/debian/sarge and once it installs and configs everything it tries to chroot /image apt-get update and it fails because the /mirrors is not available in the chroot env, anyone know of a work around, I am running this from a sid box |
| 04:30.53 | karsten | JosephSpiros: ...permissions on remote side? |
| 04:30.57 | krezel | furrywolf: Shit thats a deal |
| 04:31.06 | JosephSpiros | karsten: permissions are identical to the permissions on the box that /does/ work |
| 04:31.08 | kyu | Mothers day? |
| 04:31.10 | kyu | when? |
| 04:31.12 | Xenguy | kyu: I like screenshots |
| 04:31.15 | Guerin | kyu: yesterday |
| 04:31.20 | kyu | heh. |
| 04:31.28 | user_ | peterS so, unless i have one of these old unix workstations, there is nothing in particular i can do with it? |
| 04:31.29 | kyu | http://console-pimps.org/~kyu/windowmaker.png |
| 04:31.37 | karsten | JosephSpiros: (remote) chmod 644 .ssh/authorized_keys/ |
| 04:31.43 | karsten | JosephSpiros: (remote) chmod 644 .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 04:31.44 | kyu | best looking wm i've seen yet anyhow |
| 04:31.46 | kyu | :) |
| 04:32.07 | peterS | user_: all Ethernet cards sold in the last, say, 8 years or so, will already have twisted pair (RJ45) connectors |
| 04:32.08 | kyu | Sorry about the speed, also |
| 04:32.12 | JosephSpiros | karsten: while the current permissions were already 644, just tried that to no avail |
| 04:32.17 | JosephSpiros | karsten: still goes keyboard-interactive on me |
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| 04:32.32 | peterS | user_: so unless you have a machine that has an Ethernet card without an RJ45 on it ... then no, it's useless to you (: |
| 04:32.44 | karsten | kyu: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/XP-screen.png |
| 04:33.04 | kyu | 404 karsten |
| 04:33.05 | karsten | JosephSpiros: Please paste -v output. |
| 04:33.10 | karsten | !tell JosephSpiros about paster |
| 04:33.16 | user_ | peterS hrm... thanks a lot, it has the indicatiors tho, link, cln, rcv, xmt, sqe and pwr , which looks cool :) |
| 04:33.17 | karsten | kyu: Yeah, sec. |
| 04:33.21 | kyu | heh |
| 04:33.21 | deadcat | karsten: see. we all get 404 when using links (= |
| 04:33.37 | gokee2 | peterS, Did you see what I said? Or did you decide I am not to help me anymore? |
| 04:33.38 | peterS | user_: heh, indeed. some NICs have both AUI and twisted pair on them. some have all three types (AUI, TP, BNC) |
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| 04:33.58 | karsten | deadcat: It's 'coz I guess the damned URLs. |
| 04:34.02 | user_ | peterS okay, so aUI is the thick one, waht about the other 2? |
| 04:34.03 | karsten | kyu: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/XP-screen.png |
| 04:34.07 | deadcat | karsten: hahah |
| 04:34.09 | peterS | gokee2: I was writing down some numbers from a process in another window - a bit busy to answer questions from more than one person at once |
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| 04:34.22 | peterS | user_: TP is twisted pair, aka RJ45. BNC is coaxial, also known as thinwire |
| 04:34.23 | krezel | wow nics still come with BNC? I haven't seen a BNC connector on a NIC that wasn't ISA |
| 04:34.24 | karsten | deadcat: Damned dialup.... |
| 04:34.28 | user_ | kyu what proggy you using to display the stats on left? |
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| 04:34.40 | peterS | krezel: well, BNC doesn't support 100Mbit, so.. |
| 04:34.41 | JosephSpiros | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/108 |
| 04:35.04 | krezel | We used to have a BNC network. We were the shit. |
| 04:35.06 | Guerin | karsten: is it worth using? |
| 04:35.13 | kyu | user: gkrellm with a transparent theme |
| 04:35.14 | deadcat | karsten: thats lycoris? |
| 04:35.18 | karsten | kyu: What're you running for monitors, top left? |
| 04:35.22 | peterS | gokee2: if you get 'cannot execute binary file' - I don't know why that would be. something seriously wrong with the package. try reinstalling psutils, I guess |
| 04:35.25 | karsten | Guerin: ?? |
| 04:35.29 | Guerin | karsten: xpde |
| 04:35.37 | gokee2 | peterS, ok all try that |
| 04:35.40 | kyu | the theme is at err, http://console-pimps.org/~kbd/invisible2.tbz2 i think |
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| 04:35.47 | karsten | Guerin: No. |
| 04:36.00 | karsten | Guerin: Only for screenshot purposes. Most recent release crashes on startup. |
| 04:36.05 | Guerin | karsten: let me rephrase: would it fool a windows user into thinking they wee using windows? |
| 04:36.08 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:36.11 | kyu | the font is called.. Delta Ray Semi-Expanded 11 |
| 04:36.13 | Guerin | so that's a 'yes' |
| 04:36.14 | karsten | kyu: OK. |
| 04:36.18 | kyu | :) |
| 04:36.27 | karsten | kyu: Though w/ wm dockapps, gkrellm seems...redundant. |
| 04:36.31 | JosephSpiros | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/109 |
| 04:36.36 | karsten | Guerin: It's *really* broken. |
| 04:36.37 | deadcat | kyu: the only thing good about your theme is the damn bgimage (= |
| 04:36.43 | kyu | karsten: True, but i still like gkrellm |
| 04:37.01 | karsten | Guerin: It looks OK, but performs very poorly. |
| 04:37.08 | karsten | JosephSpiros: debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /Users/joseph/.ssh/id_dsa. |
| 04:37.15 | kyu | deadcat: haha, you're right. It doesn't look so good with others |
| 04:37.18 | Guerin | karsten: still sounds like a yes... |
| 04:37.26 | karsten | JosephSpiros: Looks like you've got bad keys. Delete from local/remote, regenerate, and recopy. |
| 04:37.35 | karsten | Guerin: Heh. |
| 04:37.38 | deadcat | kyu: just that all wmaker themes sucks |
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| 04:37.48 | deadcat | kyu: where can i get the image? |
| 04:37.48 | karsten | Guerin: Window movement's totally broken, it crashes randomly, apps are incomplete. |
| 04:37.53 | JosephSpiros | karsten: ... |
| 04:37.56 | kyu | deadcat: you could ask me for it |
| 04:38.08 | deadcat | kyu: where at? (= |
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| 04:38.15 | kyu | sec while i stick it somewhere |
| 04:38.18 | JosephSpiros | karsten: on an almost identical sarge box, you can see the output at paste #109, the exact same output as far as it not being an RSA1 key file |
| 04:38.18 | karsten | Guerin: It's sort of like a movie set. On camera, from the right angles, it might fool you for a while, as long as enough other stuff is going on. In real life, you see it instantly. |
| 04:38.36 | kyu | Gotta find it also, i just have a dir filled with numbered .png's |
| 04:38.42 | kyu | i'll memo it to you |
| 04:38.48 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:38.59 | JosephSpiros | karsten: and they're the exact same keys, and yet the one box (well, actually, I have three sarge boxes, and only the one doesn't work, the other two work fine, using the same keys for all three) |
| 04:39.05 | JosephSpiros | the one box doesn't seem the work |
| 04:39.15 | karsten | kyu: Does look pretty sweet, though not quite my cuppa. |
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| 04:39.23 | cafuego | karsten: So i takle it you mean "yes, it would fool a windows user into thinking they were running WinXP"? |
| 04:39.33 | karsten | JosephSpiros: Can you access daemon.log on the _nonfunctioning_ box? |
| 04:39.38 | JosephSpiros | karsten: yes |
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| 04:40.05 | karsten | cafuego: Humor aside, no, I don't. |
| 04:40.12 | karsten | JosephSpiros: Paste. |
| 04:40.14 | JosephSpiros | karsten: nothing it added to it when I try shelling, unless you have another suggestion? |
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| 04:40.23 | kyu | Each to their own, i'm still trying to settle on a wm,keep kinda getting irritated with one and swapping to another. I seem to settle on windowmaker the most though. It's not the most pretty but i find i work much faster and it doesn't get in my way so much as the others. |
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| 04:40.27 | TwistedEmotions | What program can I use for file transfers into linux using SSH? |
| 04:40.34 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: scp |
| 04:40.40 | karsten | JosephSpiros: IIRC you can run sshd non-daemon with debugging enabled. |
| 04:40.45 | karsten | JosephSpiros: ...see also auth.log |
| 04:41.07 | JosephSpiros | Haha |
| 04:41.10 | JosephSpiros | I thikn I found it :x |
| 04:41.11 | JosephSpiros | May 9 00:39:57 localhost sshd[1472]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/joseph |
| 04:41.16 | karsten | kyu: I'm with you on "not getting in the way", I just like a *really* non-distracting desktop. |
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| 04:41.28 | cleit0n | hi, here dont work kernel-image, in the boot kernel panic= VFS - cannot open root device "301" or unknow-block (3.1) please append a correct "root" boot option |
| 04:41.35 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: lftp, mc, scp, ... |
| 04:41.44 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: scp winscp for windows |
| 04:41.55 | karsten | JosephSpiros: That would do it. Check ownership/perms on /home and $HOME. |
| 04:42.14 | karsten | cleit0n: What's your current 'kernel' line in /boot/grub/minix_stage1_5 |
| 04:42.14 | JosephSpiros | karsten: yeah, I just did, for some reason my ~ was 777... |
| 04:42.18 | positrix | kyu: have you tried ratpoison? |
| 04:42.21 | JosephSpiros | karsten: now I wonder why /that/ happened :x |
| 04:42.21 | karsten | cleit0n: erm. /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:42.31 | deadcat | kyu: image? |
| 04:42.31 | cleit0n | karsten: here is lilo |
| 04:42.33 | karsten | JosephSpiros: That would do it. |
| 04:42.40 | karsten | JosephSpiros: 755 or better. |
| 04:42.40 | karsten | JosephSpiros: New box? |
| 04:42.51 | positrix | kyu: it doesn't have them. |
| 04:42.52 | karsten | cleit0n: Sec. |
| 04:42.58 | JosephSpiros | karsten: this, and the two other sarge boxes were installed at the exact same time in the exact same manner |
| 04:43.18 | karsten | cleit0n: 'root' stanza. |
| 04:43.18 | JosephSpiros | karsten: they also have the same kernels, and pretty much everything else with the exception that this one box has a bunch of other userland packages installed |
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| 04:43.22 | karsten | JosephSpiros: Odd. |
| 04:43.30 | kyu | That background can be found at: http://console-pimps.org/~kyu/debian_bg.png for whoever wants it. :) |
| 04:43.30 | kyu | wait while it uploads though, only got dialup here |
| 04:43.32 | kyu | positrix: doesn't have what? |
| 04:43.33 | karsten | JosephSpiros: Partitioning different? |
| 04:43.35 | JosephSpiros | karsten: I've been using it for months with no problems, and just yesterday I dist-upgraded... |
| 04:43.37 | cleit0n | karsten: dont understand |
| 04:43.41 | kyu | ok,uploaded now deadcat |
| 04:43.49 | serFiu | When setting QUOTAUSER in adduser.conf is that set in kb or b?? |
| 04:43.55 | JosephSpiros | karsten: I figured that the dist-upgrade might've done something but... it was just my home directory that was 777... and I'm pretty sure I didn't do that... |
| 04:44.08 | JosephSpiros | karsten: but I'm also the only user with access to root privs so... |
| 04:44.16 | deadcat | kyu: damn its slow (= |
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| 04:44.24 | JosephSpiros | karsten: the partitioning is identical on all of the boxes except for the sizes of the partitions themselves |
| 04:44.27 | Guerin | JosephSpiros: recursive 777? |
| 04:44.34 | JosephSpiros | Guerin: no, just /home/joseph ;x |
| 04:44.44 | JosephSpiros | Guerin: everything under it was the same, that's why I hadn't noticed |
| 04:44.53 | deadcat | kyu: dont have 1280x1024? |
| 04:44.58 | kyu | deadcat: It's not mine, but stop complaining anyway, it's free. |
| 04:45.03 | karsten | JosephSpiros: Sounds like you should restrict your root privileges ;-) |
| 04:45.05 | kyu | heh |
| 04:45.08 | karsten | kyu: FWIW: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/WM-screen.png |
| 04:45.15 | JosephSpiros | karsten: again, it's just me :p |
| 04:45.17 | Guerin | JosephSpiros: that shouldn't be a problem, then - if /home/joseph/.ssh/ wasn't 777, it should have worked |
| 04:45.22 | user_ | kyu that greek? |
| 04:45.28 | JosephSpiros | Guerin: it wasn't, it was 700 |
| 04:45.33 | karsten | JosephSpiros: Yes, that was the point ;-) |
| 04:45.39 | JosephSpiros | karsten: oh, that's a burn |
| 04:45.41 | JosephSpiros | karsten: thank you |
| 04:45.55 | Guerin | 700 should be alright. |
| 04:46.02 | cleit0n | karsten: help me , please |
| 04:46.04 | karsten | Guerin: No, if $HOME is 777, then perms under it can be changed, so .ssh could be moved/renamed. |
| 04:46.10 | karsten | JosephSpiros: NP. |
| 04:46.13 | Guerin | ohh, right you are |
| 04:46.18 | peterS | karsten: perms under it can |
| 04:46.19 | naoliv | Is it a way to gives permission to a user for the commands "halt" and "reboot", withou using sudo or su? |
| 04:46.25 | karsten | !tell cleit0n about paster |
| 04:46.25 | peterS | karsten: I mean, perms under it can't, but .ssh *can* be renamed |
| 04:46.26 | kyu | That's not bad karsten |
| 04:46.30 | cafuego | naoliv: not in any sane way. |
| 04:46.34 | karsten | cleit0n: Paste your /etc/lilo.conf |
| 04:46.39 | Guerin | peterS: which makes it useless to openssh |
| 04:46.40 | karsten | peterS: Right. |
| 04:46.41 | kyu | user_: shrug. |
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| 04:46.53 | kyu | Anyway, time for star wars and irb, so later |
| 04:46.54 | ethics | hey is it a bug if i just need to modprobe something to make a function work in alsa or is it followup configuration you think? |
| 04:46.59 | karsten | kyu: It's also pretty typical of how my desktop looks. Well, one of the 8-9 I have open ;-) |
| 04:47.03 | user_ | kyu on the background, the characters look like part of greek alphabet to me :) |
| 04:47.19 | cleit0n | karsten: where |
| 04:47.23 | cinix | I have been seeing some corruption on some partitions, and now I'm missing /dev/dsp* devices and /dev/ttyS* devices. how do I get those back? |
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| 04:47.34 | peterS | ethics: whether you consider it a bug is kind of a philosophical point. I've always assumed I would have to load alsa modules manually, as 'alsaconf' never seems to work for anyone |
| 04:47.37 | karsten | cafuego: Yes, but is it wrapped around a Bond girl? |
| 04:47.47 | karsten | cleit0n: Where the bot told you. paster. |
| 04:47.50 | cafuego | karsten: Famke Janssen? Yes. |
| 04:47.51 | karsten | !tell cleit0n about paster. |
| 04:47.56 | karsten | cleit0n: 'dpkg' is a bot. |
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| 04:48.11 | kyu | user_: I'll ask my friend who lives in athens, but i'll probabally forget to tell you what he says anyway. heh. |
| 04:48.14 | karsten | cafuego: I'll take Halle Barry if you please. |
| 04:48.31 | karsten | cleit0n: I told it to tell you where to paste. |
| 04:48.33 | cafuego | karsten: yeah, you would, damn native english speakers. |
| 04:48.35 | Guerin | if only halle berry would take you |
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| 04:48.52 | user_ | kyu :) |
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| 04:49.03 | user_ | it is alright :) |
| 04:49.31 | karsten | cafuego: At least I *can* speak English, mate. |
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| 04:49.45 | Sluk | Greetings |
| 04:49.49 | karsten | Guerin: The question is where she'd take me and what state she'd leave me in... |
| 04:49.50 | Sluk | I'd like a few suggestions |
| 04:50.03 | Sluk | i have a p1-mmx laptop running X 4.3, fluxbox |
| 04:50.16 | user_ | ah, and thanks to everyone who helped me today :) |
| 04:50.20 | Sluk | i want to find a lightweight office suite and web browser that it can handle in x |
| 04:50.28 | ethics | peterS well alsaconf worked fine for me on ac97 & ensoniq cards....the part that im unsure of is this "modprobe snd-virmidi snd_index=1" |
| 04:50.29 | Sluk | (got 32 mb ram, sadly) |
| 04:50.31 | cleit0n | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/110 |
| 04:50.38 | Guerin | karsten: hah |
| 04:50.52 | karsten | Sluk: Console ;-) |
| 04:51.05 | Sluk | hmm |
| 04:51.05 | ethics | peterS: i dont beleive it works with all cards which is why it doesn't auto add them.....but kmid errors etc without it |
| 04:51.12 | user_ | another question is, how do i configure my special keys on compaq presario 2715US serrries laptop |
| 04:51.15 | Sluk | i can bump up the memory to 96 mb.. might help, eh? |
| 04:51.25 | Zambba | hmm.. I have a P1-MMX box, too |
| 04:51.35 | Zambba | but it has Win98 now |
| 04:51.45 | Sluk | Zambba how does win98 run on it? |
| 04:51.46 | cinix | Has something recently changed with devices that /dev/dsp no longer exists and /dev/snd has replaced it? |
| 04:51.52 | shingouz | Sluk: Galeon is almost useable as is Epiphany as a browser. Office suites.. Abiword and Gnumeric can be used on low-spec boxes but even they are a bit of a pain |
| 04:51.56 | karsten | Sluk: light WMs: blackbox / fluxbox / icewm / windowmaker |
| 04:51.59 | Guerin | Sluk: 96 will ok |
| 04:52.11 | Zambba | Sluk: Win98 does run, but when I get firewalls and etc. open it slows down |
| 04:52.14 | Sluk | shiner840_Away: thanks |
| 04:52.18 | naoliv | Sluk, I have a Celeron 333 with 64 of RAM, running WindowMaker, Firefox. Sarge is running on it. It's perfect to me :-) |
| 04:52.20 | Sluk | err |
| 04:52.22 | Sluk | stuipid tab |
| 04:52.25 | shingouz | :) |
| 04:52.27 | Sluk | shingouz |
| 04:52.31 | Sluk | thanks =-) |
| 04:52.33 | karsten | Sluk: Browser. Tough question. Maybe Opera. elinks2 (graphical), or w3m (console). Dillo's sort of minimal. |
| 04:52.34 | ethics | cinix: what did you do last that would change the /devs? |
| 04:52.34 | shingouz | np |
| 04:52.50 | karsten | Sluk: Office suite: really tough call. OpenOffice will kill you. |
| 04:52.58 | cinix | rebooted and found a bunch of duplicate blocks |
| 04:53.00 | Sluk | My purpose for this box, if possible, is to work as a wardriving tool |
| 04:53.02 | Guerin | emacs is the only office suite worth using |
| 04:53.17 | karsten | Sluk: I'd look at AbiWord / Gnumeric as well. There's a largely unmaintained SIAG Office. |
| 04:53.17 | cinix | tried to do cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV dsp |
| 04:53.24 | cinix | but says it knows nothing about it |
| 04:53.25 | Guerin | and it runs fine in 32 or 96mb, contrary to what the vidiots will tell you |
| 04:53.34 | karsten | Sluk: 96 MB highly recommended. Another alternative is remote access to stuff. |
| 04:53.34 | Zambba | Would Fluxbox run goodly on PMMX-200, 64Mb ram and Trident TriImage ? |
| 04:53.44 | karsten | Guerin: Point. |
| 04:53.49 | Guerin | Zambba: hell yeah |
| 04:53.52 | Sluk | Zambba: fluxbox is working just fine under 32mb on a 233mHz |
| 04:53.55 | shingouz | Sluk: In that case you only need X to run gpsmap if even that. Kismet is console as is pretty much everything else. All office stuff can be done on sometihng else really |
| 04:53.56 | ethics | cinix; you run udev? |
| 04:53.58 | karsten | Guerin: ...the name is "8 megs and constantly swapping", not 256 ... |
| 04:54.00 | cinix | no way |
| 04:54.04 | Guerin | karsten: yeah |
| 04:54.06 | karsten | Zambba: Yeah. |
| 04:54.17 | Sluk | oh |
| 04:54.22 | karsten | cleit0n: OK. Rerun 'lilo' |
| 04:54.30 | Guerin | the only thing I need X for is a web browser |
| 04:54.31 | Sluk | would it save memory on this lappie if i down the color depth of the display? |
| 04:54.41 | shingouz | Sluk: Not really |
| 04:54.45 | cleit0n | karsten: and... |
| 04:54.51 | Guerin | all the console-mode-with-framebuffer-images browsers are utter shite |
| 04:54.53 | Sluk | considering that the vid mem is shared? =p |
| 04:54.58 | karsten | cleit0n: ...make sure your boot partition's set up correctly. Is your root partition /dev/hda1 ? |
| 04:55.05 | karsten | cleit0n: ...then reboot. |
| 04:55.08 | Guerin | Sluk: might save you half a meg |
| 04:55.10 | karsten | cleit0n: ...are you on the box now? If so, how did you boot? |
| 04:55.18 | Sluk | hmm |
| 04:55.21 | karsten | Guerin: elinks2 is passable. |
| 04:55.22 | cleit0n | karsten: yes |
| 04:55.33 | karsten | cleit0n: How'd you manage to boot? |
| 04:55.34 | shingouz | Sluk: Just make sure you do not have any unneeded services running if you need to use X |
| 04:55.44 | Guerin | karsten: it is usable, but not good enough for my needs |
| 04:55.50 | Lob2k | hey I'm wanting to try a debian kernel. |
| 04:55.51 | ethics | <cafuego>: i just found the solution to my /dev/sequencer issue.....do you make factoids etc? |
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| 04:55.59 | Lob2k | can someone give me a command and link to a howto? |
| 04:55.59 | Guerin | Lob2k: what's stopping you? |
| 04:56.02 | cleit0n | karsten: lilo |
| 04:56.12 | user_ | another question is, how do i configure my special keys on compaq presario 2715US serrries laptop |
| 04:56.16 | Guerin | Lob2k: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-2-386 # done |
| 04:56.22 | knix | Anyone know of a way to read eBook .lit format files in Debian? |
| 04:56.26 | kyu | Lob2k: command: rm -rf / |
| 04:56.33 | cinix | ./MAKEDEV audio doesn't error out, and reading through the script it appears to want to create the devices, but they still don't appear |
| 04:56.34 | kyu | Lob2k: howto: goatse.cs |
| 04:56.36 | positrix | knix: yes |
| 04:56.36 | Lob2k | kyu ... |
| 04:56.38 | kyu | cx, even |
| 04:56.39 | Lob2k | very nice. |
| 04:56.41 | knix | positrix, How? :D |
| 04:56.43 | Guerin | kyu: people have been banned for less |
| 04:56.46 | shingouz | Lob2k: kyu is shitting you |
| 04:56.48 | ethics | user_ are they acpi keys? |
| 04:56.51 | user_ | knix what format is that? |
| 04:56.51 | kyu | I was only kidding... |
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| 04:56.57 | shingouz | kyu: Dont |
| 04:56.58 | peterS | kyu: that wasn't funny |
| 04:56.59 | Lob2k | :P |
| 04:57.10 | Guerin | kyu: never underestimate the stupidity of people seeking help in #debian |
| 04:57.13 | ethics | cinix: tried alsaconf? |
| 04:57.18 | user_ | ethics not sure what you mean... but i've got volume contorl, some butotn with audio drawn over it, and button with "i" mail and search |
| 04:57.26 | cinix | I can try that. if I set an application to use ALSA it plays fine |
| 04:57.30 | cinix | even without a dsp device |
| 04:57.43 | cinix | I just installed GNOME and was trying to get the sound daemon to run |
| 04:57.45 | Zambba | Well what's the difference in kernel-images 2.6.8-i386 and 2.6.8-K7? The last one is optimized for K7 processors specially? |
| 04:57.45 | kyu | Lob2k, noted. And Guerin, surely no one has actually done that, i mean.. all the irc logs you read are faked. heh. |
| 04:58.09 | Lob2k | guerin: i take it there are other kernels more suited to my hardware? |
| 04:58.10 | shingouz | kyu: You would not believe what morons show up here |
| 04:58.14 | kyu | anyway, return of the jedi, here comes the golden bikini |
| 04:58.20 | ethics | cinix: even without dsp: hmm thats weird ... |
| 04:58.28 | Guerin | Lob2k: given that I don't know your hardware, I don't know. |
| 04:58.39 | ethics | kyu: moron waving hello to you here 8) |
| 04:58.40 | cinix | alsaconfig didn't create anything |
| 04:58.45 | Guerin | kyu: it's happened. |
| 04:58.58 | cinix | I suspect maybe something changed now that I'm using 2.6.11? |
| 04:59.04 | Guerin | kyu: hey, to make someone quit irc, type /quit theirnamehere |
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| 04:59.36 | naoliv | Zambba, Yes... -k7 is optimized for K7 and -i386 works on every computer (Pentium, PII, ..., P4, AMD, etc) |
| 04:59.39 | karsten | cleit0n: Um. If you couln't mount your root FS, how'd you get around that? |
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| 04:59.58 | kyu | Guerin: I thought you were ment to join #2,000 for help? |
| 05:00.03 | cinix | Oh well a project for tomorrow. Thanks for the help, goodnight |
| 05:00.15 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.17 | Lob2k | guerin: why 2.6-2-386 rather than 2.6.8-2-386 for example? |
| 05:00.18 | ethics | cinix: there were some changes from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11 related to dev stuff...forinstance mousedev, Wacom, Mouse1/2 etc....id be lookin at google for info |
| 05:00.33 | Sluk | anyone think that using a 586 kernel will improve anything on my p1-mmx laptop - currently using 386 kernel |
| 05:00.51 | peterS | Sluk: it might. it won't be all that noticeable |
| 05:01.01 | user_ | ethics any ideas? |
| 05:01.04 | Guerin | Lob2k: 2.6- is a metapackage which brings in the most recent kernel in the 2.6 series. 2.6.8 brings in a specific kernel |
| 05:01.04 | naoliv | Sluk, Yes, it will. But very little difference. |
| 05:01.07 | ethics | Sluk: you may gain MMX.....but not a great deal... |
| 05:01.07 | shingouz | Sluk: Slightly but if you are going to use Kismet on it with an Orinoco card you still have to roll a custom kernel |
| 05:01.24 | karsten | Sluk: Slight benefits. Given it's as slow as it is, anything helps. |
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| 05:01.30 | Lob2k | guerin: interesting thanks. |
| 05:01.33 | Sluk | hmm ok |
| 05:01.49 | ethics | user_ not really your kernel is higher than mine...try dropping in a 2.6.8 image and see if it errors |
| 05:01.50 | Sluk | it's not slow! its free!! |
| 05:01.53 | naoliv | Sluk, Small gain in performance is better than nothing :-) |
| 05:01.54 | shingouz | Sluk: Check www.kismetwireless.net for a bunch of information |
| 05:02.07 | ethics | user_ im guessing the kernel change may be related |
| 05:02.09 | myren | holy crap, what the hell. i upgraded to azureus 2.3 and now its CRAWLING. hideously slow, wth |
| 05:02.29 | Sluk | its kinda sad how my zaurus 5500 is faster than my laptop |
| 05:02.32 | shingouz | Sluk: A P1-233 MMX is a lot better than the 486dx4-100 I use for wardriving |
| 05:02.32 | Guerin | oh, because azureus wasn't slower than a dog to begin with |
| 05:02.48 | Lob2k | guerin: why 386 rather than 686 for example? |
| 05:02.50 | myren | sure, its java so the interface is a bit pokey |
| 05:02.50 | Sluk | sure is |
| 05:03.00 | user_ | ethics i think you are confusing me with somebody else, or i do not understand what you are tlaking about, cause i never even said my kernel version. and in facti'm runinr 2.6.8 |
| 05:03.01 | myren | but the download speeds have always been respectable, if not good |
| 05:03.05 | Guerin | Lob2k: I don't know whether you have an AMD or an intel CPU or whatall else |
| 05:03.14 | Guerin | hell, I'm only guessing you're on x86 at all |
| 05:03.23 | Guerin | myren: rtorrent |
| 05:03.27 | ethics | user_ oh maybee sec |
| 05:03.27 | Zambba | shingouz: My grandparents used to have and use 386SX box! They changed it to PIII box on 2004... :D |
| 05:03.29 | Guerin | myren: mucho fasto |
| 05:03.40 | Lob2k | guerin: x86, p4, 512 ram |
| 05:04.03 | shingouz | Zambba: So? I still have three of the IBM P70 386 luggables here, one of them running Debian |
| 05:04.04 | Lob2k | so 686 should be ok? |
| 05:04.08 | Guerin | Lob2k: yeah |
| 05:04.11 | ethics | user_ ok acpi keys etc sec |
| 05:04.14 | Lob2k | tx :) |
| 05:04.44 | user_ | ethics what do you mean by ACPI keys? like lid key and power key? or additional special keys to volume control, etc... |
| 05:05.03 | Zambba | shingouz: But they had it as their number 1 computer.. they didn't had any better one :D |
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| 05:05.18 | Guerin | Zambba: my big fast mean machine is a p3-733 |
| 05:05.28 | myren | Guerin: i guess i'll have to try it, azureus seriously just went unusable |
| 05:06.00 | shingouz | Zambba: Oh, I see. It has to be new and shiny so that you do not start laughing. If you use it for irc and email it does not mean dick what you run as long as you can connect to the net |
| 05:06.03 | Guerin | myren: rtorrent isn't packaged ... you can build it yourself, or install the packages I made using checkinstall |
| 05:06.52 | ethics | user_ the thing your looking for is 'tpb' try apt-get install tpb |
| 05:07.09 | ethics | user : think pad buttons |
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| 05:07.19 | Guerin | myren: it's not a gui client, though, so if you want one of those, best to use birttornado-gui or something |
| 05:07.21 | shingouz | Zambba: Just to give you an example, take a wild guess what I am running at the moment |
| 05:07.26 | Sluk | is there a utility in deb to change what services start? |
| 05:07.33 | dogayonv | Alright I got my screen resolution to work thanks alot for the help Guerin and others. |
| 05:07.35 | Guerin | Sluk: sysvconfig |
| 05:07.43 | shingouz | Sluk: update-rc.d |
| 05:07.44 | Guerin | dogayonv: 1920x1600? |
| 05:07.51 | dogayonv | no :( |
| 05:07.53 | shingouz | hi dogayonv |
| 05:07.56 | Guerin | dogayonv: 1440? |
| 05:07.57 | myren | Guerin: it has session managment, i presume its a multi-client... |
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| 05:08.02 | myren | not one rtorrent per d/l |
| 05:08.03 | dogayonv | hey shingouz how are you buddy |
| 05:08.05 | dogayonv | yes 1440 |
| 05:08.07 | Guerin | myren: yeah, for sure. |
| 05:08.09 | karsten | caphuso: For your drooling pleasure: http://www.cinema-stars.com/FamkeJanssen/ |
| 05:08.12 | user_ | ethics but i have different laptop, you think that it is going to be okay? also, is there a way to check if linux actually receives the interupts fromthe keyboard when i press these keys? |
| 05:08.14 | Sluk | thanks |
| 05:08.17 | shingouz | Pretty well, thanks. You? dogayonv |
| 05:08.29 | karsten | Sluk: APT. |
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| 05:08.32 | Guerin | myren: it has very low cpu and ram usage... much lower than bittorrent/tornado/azureus |
| 05:08.40 | karsten | caphuso: So *that's* what you call it. |
| 05:08.47 | Sluk | karsten: i'm installing sysvinit now |
| 05:08.55 | Sluk | err sysvconfig |
| 05:09.08 | naoliv | user_: You can try "od" or "hexdump" to see if Linux is getting the keys. |
| 05:09.12 | karsten | Sluk: If you do/don't want a service running, the "right" fix is to uninstall it. |
| 05:09.15 | caphuso | karsten: who the hell is famke jansen, and why should i care about her? |
| 05:09.16 | user_ | Guerin sorry, which bittorent client you where advising? |
| 05:09.21 | ethics | user_: what were the two model laptops? the thinkpad ones all use that tpb |
| 05:09.23 | Guerin | user_: rtorrent |
| 05:09.25 | karsten | Sluk: ... update-rc.d is recommended otherwise. |
| 05:09.26 | starscalling | \o/ |
| 05:09.29 | starscalling | kick ass |
| 05:09.29 | myren | Guerin: there was the slashdot post on OO using java & a schism of people scared of java. i was like, what about hte schism of people who like letters to appear as they type? |
| 05:09.30 | starscalling | Guerin, |
| 05:09.31 | karsten | caphuso: Hrm... |
| 05:09.36 | starscalling | i just found my netadmin guy |
| 05:09.37 | starscalling | lol |
| 05:09.38 | Sluk | do I need cron to run? |
| 05:09.39 | Guerin | starscalling: you haxx3d teh gibson? |
| 05:09.42 | starscalling | my box is secure |
| 05:09.44 | user_ | ethics i'm not using thinkpad, i'm using compaq presario 2715us |
| 05:09.45 | starscalling | yeah the gibson |
| 05:09.45 | karsten | caphuso: Got you confused with cafuego again... |
| 05:09.47 | starscalling | . . . . . |
| 05:09.50 | starscalling | i e |
| 05:09.56 | karsten | cafuego: For your drooling pleasure: http://www.cinema-stars.com/FamkeJanssen/ |
| 05:09.58 | Guerin | myren: heh |
| 05:10.00 | caphuso | karsten: ah. now it makes sense |
| 05:10.02 | myren | gonna go get me a righteous hack on a gibson |
| 05:10.03 | starscalling | i forgot to dpkg -i openssl |
| 05:10.05 | karsten | !shoot me. |
| 05:10.08 | starscalling | >< |
| 05:10.10 | starscalling | so yeah |
| 05:10.13 | starscalling | ssl is broken |
| 05:10.15 | starscalling | and um |
| 05:10.16 | Guerin | starscalling: how did you get in? |
| 05:10.20 | starscalling | NO ONE CAN CRACK IT |
| 05:10.23 | starscalling | i kept putty logs |
| 05:10.26 | Guerin | NO SHIT |
| 05:10.32 | starscalling | i took that out with everything else |
| 05:10.36 | starscalling | and forgot to put in |
| 05:10.39 | starscalling | so yeah |
| 05:10.41 | starscalling | dvm only |
| 05:10.43 | starscalling | er |
| 05:10.45 | starscalling | kvm |
| 05:10.50 | Guerin | starscalling: so, in other words, you're a drooling retard |
| 05:10.59 | karsten | !tell starscalling about enter |
| 05:11.00 | shingouz | eek |
| 05:11.01 | myren | dude, type longer sentances. one word sentances be no mroe than lame scrolling. |
| 05:11.02 | ethics | user_: ahh i c letme double check...i think its the same ...used to be a long time ago |
| 05:11.28 | karsten | Guerin: WTF is starscalling drooling about? |
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| 05:11.33 | user_ | hrm.. hwod o i add user to a group? |
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| 05:11.49 | karsten | user_: adduser <user> <group> |
| 05:11.53 | myren | damn, i've had top running for a week now. it was the fifth highest cpu time process. |
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| 05:12.01 | myren | stupid top, slowing me down |
| 05:12.06 | karsten | user_: log off and log back in, or 'newgrp' to make it take effect. |
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| 05:12.25 | Lob2k | anyone know how to check what file system you are using? |
| 05:12.33 | ethics | user_: nothing i can find on compaq....id try that but ill do a quick google see if i can find compaq specific |
| 05:12.54 | user_ | karsten does not display the new group after newgrp; using `id` to see |
| 05:12.59 | karsten | Lob2k: 'mount' |
| 05:13.10 | karsten | user_: 'groups' to display group membership |
| 05:13.13 | Guerin | karsten: he locked himself outta his colo box by fucking with shit, then not reinstalling openssl |
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| 05:13.27 | Guerin | karsten: and he's been wanting help to haxx0r his way back in ever since |
| 05:13.42 | user_ | karsten maybe that is because i'm adding root? |
| 05:13.57 | karsten | user_: root doesn't need group membership |
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| 05:14.06 | jaybar | d/l alsa modular synth with kpackage in sarge but is says "open /dev/snd/seq failed. any 1 got this working? |
| 05:14.10 | karsten | user_: The power of 'root' is ignoring file permissions. |
| 05:14.10 | shingouz | starscalling: Just call up the hosting service and make them reinstall |
| 05:14.31 | jaybar | im using alsa and have sound working |
| 05:14.34 | karsten | Guerin: Dig. |
| 05:14.58 | ethics | jaybar : yep |
| 05:15.14 | ethics | jaybar: i think i did the same thing earlier today |
| 05:15.22 | user_ | sorry for the lame question, but how do i view what files where installed after i used apt-get install some package? |
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| 05:15.34 | ethics | jaybar: your trying to run a midi thingy and it errors with /dev/sequencer not found |
| 05:15.43 | user_ | i know i should be shot, and sent to hell, aka read the documentation ... :) |
| 05:15.51 | jaybar | ethics: ya exactly |
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| 05:15.57 | Guerin | myren: if you build rtorrent, you might find that the libtorrent libs get installed to /usr/local, while the client looks in /usr - you may want to hack a makefile to change that |
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| 05:18.27 | karsten | Lob2k: lspci | grep -v vg |
| 05:18.30 | user_ | karsten fyi, the link is broken |
| 05:18.34 | karsten | Lob2k: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 05:18.39 | user_ | ah, nvm |
| 05:18.42 | user_ | stupid DOT |
| 05:18.50 | jaybar | ethics: FATAL: Module snd.vir not found. |
| 05:18.54 | user_ | karsten sorry, the link is not borken, htere was a dot at the end... |
| 05:18.56 | karsten | user_: Delete the '.' at the end. |
| 05:18.59 | Guerin | snd- |
| 05:19.07 | Guerin | no module has a . in its name |
| 05:19.07 | karsten | user_: Yes, I know ;-) |
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| 05:19.39 | Lob2k | karsten: tx |
| 05:19.53 | tag | sick |
| 05:19.57 | tag | finally got this usb thing working |
| 05:20.17 | ethics | user_ : the only other button thing used by compaqs is this ' LinEAK' which is in apt somewhere |
| 05:21.06 | user_ | karsten okay you getting me convinced to use aptitude... but raises one question, how can i purge the libs that are not used an installed on the system... and that where installed with apt? :P |
| 05:21.14 | ethics | user_: it looks like more of the later compaqs use lineak.... |
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| 05:21.30 | user_ | ethics i didn't get much luck with poking hte lineak... |
| 05:21.33 | karsten | user_: debfoster. |
| 05:21.35 | derobert | user_: you can use debfoster for that... |
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| 05:21.39 | elspeth | hello, i'm looking for an editor for xml, and xml schemas; preferably free, must run under linux. Is there anything like that around that's usable? |
| 05:21.47 | karsten | user_: One caution. First time running aptitude, it may attempt to delete a bunch of packages. |
| 05:21.55 | karsten | user_: See bug #299009. I filed that. |
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| 05:22.18 | Guerin | elspeth: emacs |
| 05:22.23 | karsten | user_: First: if that happens, please augment that bugreport with specifics of your system, including dpkg --get-selections output, and the packages to be deleted by aptitude. |
| 05:22.35 | Guerin | elspeth: with nxml-mode, which validates as you type against an arbitrary schema |
| 05:22.44 | ethics | user_: lineak has a kde screen and a daemon and stuff so i think its probabl;y one of those 2 packages |
| 05:22.52 | elspeth | Guerin: hrm. I'm thinking a bit more gui-like - it's not just for me |
| 05:22.56 | karsten | user_: ...second, cancel the operation (ctrl-C). Re-run with 'aptitude install ' and list the to-be-removed packages on the commandline. |
| 05:23.02 | jaybar | ethics: hmmm still same error.. been lookn for info bout it but googles not helpn .. you know of anyplace to get info on this |
| 05:23.08 | karsten | user_: It's a pretty easy workaround, it should be a one-time occurance. |
| 05:23.21 | karsten | user_: ...if that fails, your package removal is logged in /var/log/aptitude |
| 05:23.37 | elspeth | Guerin: but thanks, I'll look into it. |
| 05:23.37 | Guerin | elspeth: emacs has a gui. with proper site-wide config it can be very user-friendly. |
| 05:23.38 | ethics | jaybar: http://howtos.linux.com/howtos/MIDI-HOWTO-10.shtml is where i found that modprobe |
| 05:23.56 | user_ | karsten okay, thnx.. about the debfoster, the description say install only wanted pacakges, how about cleaning up the already installed, will it do so? |
| 05:23.56 | ethics | jaybar: and this sorta helped too for modules http://www.midi-howto.com/ |
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| 05:24.01 | elspeth | Guerin: Unfortunately, i'm dealing with users who have been using vi since it came into being... |
| 05:24.05 | Guerin | elspeth: otherwise, most editors have xml modes, and there are shell commands which are easily bound to validation and processing tools |
| 05:24.08 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:24.16 | Guerin | elspeth: M-x viper-mode |
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| 05:24.32 | jaybar | ethics: cool.. thnx i will chk that out.. preciate it |
| 05:24.38 | Guerin | elspeth: I expect there are comparable tools for vi |
| 05:24.50 | ethics | jaybar: mine no longer errors but im in a VMware which means midi is caputzki anyways but i didnt like the error popping up hehe |
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| 05:25.05 | karsten | user_: What do you mean about cleaning up already installed? |
| 05:25.08 | ethics | jaybar: np hey you know much about linux midi software? |
| 05:25.09 | jaybar | ethics: :) |
| 05:25.15 | elspeth | Guerin: yes, but unfortunately i'm looking for something with more warm fuzzies |
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| 05:25.27 | karsten | user_: debfoster/deborphan will handle unneeded libs for you. |
| 05:25.30 | jaybar | ethics: wish i did... just kinda gettn into it |
| 05:25.48 | user_ | karsten say, i had some package installed, that had some libs in dependanceys, after i did apt-get remove packagename, it didn't clean up the dependancies that where installed for the package |
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| 05:26.03 | user_ | karsten okay, i guess then it is the right tool |
| 05:26.09 | Guerin | i think kate has some usable xml functionality; and html editors like quanta understatd dtds and things |
| 05:26.13 | ethics | jaybar: same same....i have been cubase etc but im looking at some linux ones over the next few weeks....just regigging some midi files etc see what its like |
| 05:26.23 | karsten | user_: aptitude should handle that sanely from here on out. |
| 05:26.25 | Guerin | nothing beats nxml-mode, though, it's the shit |
| 05:26.30 | jaybar | ethics: playd with spiral synth but cant find any patches for instruments so im lookin at alsa modular |
| 05:26.32 | positrix | elspeth: kate is pretty, warm, and fuzzy. |
| 05:26.39 | elspeth | Guerin: thanks, i will look at it. |
| 05:26.44 | jaybar | ethics: cool |
| 05:26.51 | schue_ | any opinions on bootable ISOs for doing an LVM enabled XFS install? |
| 05:26.58 | user_ | karsten even if the pakcages wehre not installed with aptitude? |
| 05:27.02 | elspeth | positrix: thankee. |
| 05:27.14 | ethics | jaybar: well if you find a solution pop back and let me know...ill frobably faq it all up for debian pages |
| 05:27.14 | jaybar | ethics: linux is allways the adventure :) |
| 05:27.30 | Guerin | user_: pick one or the other - don't go back to apt-* once you've switched to aptitude |
| 05:27.39 | karsten | user_: Not entirely sure of that. You may have to do some manual package cleanup. |
| 05:27.42 | schue_ | anybody used the jgoerzen stuff? |
| 05:27.47 | jaybar | ethics: you bet .. n thanx again for your help |
| 05:27.55 | Guerin | schue_: which jgeorzen stuff? |
| 05:28.11 | oomg | 'drwxr-xr-x 7 zero zero 4096 May 9 07:00' are this good permissions for a home dir? |
| 05:28.14 | Guerin | offline imap SEEMS cool, but I can't get it to work sanely |
| 05:28.17 | schue_ | he's got a bootable ISO he calls "debian from scratch" or something... |
| 05:28.19 | schue_ | ? |
| 05:28.19 | user_ | karsten i prty much did so already, but i'm not sure what to do with the libs... :/ |
| 05:28.41 | ethics | jaybar: i like the alsa guys comments tho...even they say MIDI is broken on most soundcards because of no interupts on TX/RX |
| 05:28.57 | karsten | user_: deborphan. |
| 05:28.58 | ethics | jaybar: luckily i have a real soundcard mwahahaha $22 ensoniq hewhe |
| 05:29.03 | karsten | user_: ...for the third time. |
| 05:29.12 | user_ | Guerin yeah, but i need to clean up what was already done with aptitude.. and may i ask you why you do not recomend going back? |
| 05:29.13 | jaybar | ethics: hehe ... nummy |
| 05:29.47 | jaybar | ethics: i got a 3 yr ol yamahaha |
| 05:29.48 | user_ | karsten well, i keep aksing, because some things where not clear to me... so i wanted some clarificaiton, sorry for being dumb (cautios) |
| 05:30.07 | jaybar | ethics: seems to be workn ok though so im not complaining |
| 05:30.14 | karsten | user_: NP. |
| 05:30.47 | jaybar | ethics: lot better than my onboard sound was... eeww that was a nasty experience.. |
| 05:31.20 | user_ | karsten and thank you :) |
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| 05:31.36 | karsten | user_: You're welcome. |
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| 05:32.16 | Guerin | user_: just pick one and stick with it. aptitude and apt-* mix in a complex manner; specifically, aptitude has been designed to not be entirely compatible with apt, and bugs manifest themselves when you alternate. |
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| 05:32.46 | oomg | 'drwxr-xr-x 7 zero zero 4096 May 9 07:00' are this good permissions for a home dir? |
| 05:33.05 | Guerin | oomg: if you want it world-readable |
| 05:33.05 | positrix | how do i get apt to show the description of a package? (ive done it before, but i cant remember how) |
| 05:33.13 | karsten | oomg: They are if you want to allow other users to read your files. |
| 05:33.16 | Guerin | positrix: apt-cache show |
| 05:33.54 | oomg | Guerin: i like to have only 'user readable' home dirs.. |
| 05:34.03 | oomg | no other users shouldn't vies it |
| 05:34.05 | oomg | no other users shouldn't view it |
| 05:34.42 | fatalblu | gentoomite kde |
| 05:34.47 | myren | just curious, what rss readers do people use? i'm using liferea, its ok. |
| 05:34.50 | fatalblu | !gentoomite kde |
| 05:35.01 | fatalblu | bah what is it? |
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| 05:35.33 | cheal | !typosmite fatalblu |
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| 05:35.37 | user_ | karsten one quick question about the aptitude, how do i search in it (apt-cache search) ? |
| 05:35.46 | fatalblu | !help |
| 05:36.00 | karsten | user_: Same. |
| 05:36.06 | jm_ | user_: man aptitude |
| 05:36.21 | karsten | user_: If you're using aptitude interactively (ncurses interface) you can search packagenames by '/<expression>' |
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| 05:36.40 | karsten | user_: If you're familiar with mutt, there's also a package limit filter 'l<expression>' |
| 05:36.52 | karsten | user_: aptitude is independent of apt-cache, FYI. |
| 05:37.06 | Guerin | oomg: chmod 750 /home/whatever |
| 05:37.31 | karsten | user_: What are your first two? |
| 05:37.31 | Guerin | oomg: and dpkg-reconfigure adduser (i think) to change the setting for users created in the future |
| 05:38.11 | karsten | user_: ...french and ... ? |
| 05:38.13 | jazzmans | what would you recommend I use on sid64 to batch convert a large amount of raw tiff files to jpegs? I can do this with the gimp, but I don't know how to batch it, instead of selecting each photo and manually save as .jpg. suggestions? |
| 05:38.26 | user_ | karsten french would be prbly 5th, that i'm tyring to learn |
| 05:38.33 | karsten | jazzmans: Imagemagick. |
| 05:38.34 | Guerin | jazzmans: imagemagic has a tool that will do this, called 'convert' |
| 05:38.43 | Guerin | +k yeah |
| 05:38.48 | jazzmans | thanks, I'll look into imagemagic. :) |
| 05:38.54 | karsten | user_: So others are ?? |
| 05:38.56 | Guerin | it has a k on the end |
| 05:39.08 | user_ | karsten i PMed but you prbly ignored since i'm not registered user |
| 05:39.21 | Sluk | i'm having something odd happen with alsa.. it detects + instals modules for my soundcard, and i can access the mixer (aumix), but i can't play anything through it |
| 05:39.26 | jazzmans | imagemagick? cool thanks Guerin and karsten. |
| 05:39.37 | Guerin | Sluk: does alsamixer work? |
| 05:39.37 | oomg | Guerin: 'drwx------' this permissions i've set now :) |
| 05:39.43 | Sluk | Guerin: Yes. |
| 05:39.59 | karsten | user_: Got it. I don't catch msgs too quickly. |
| 05:40.07 | Sluk | Just cant play anything through it |
| 05:40.16 | Guerin | oomg: that bars group perms, too, which means that you can't give someone access to your group in case you want THEM to have read access for some reason |
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| 05:40.28 | karsten | jazzmans: probably specifically 'convert'. Imagemagick's a whole suite of cmdline utilities. |
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| 05:40.41 | Sluk | if i try to launch alsaplayer to test, it says "faled to load plugin "alsa" trying defaults" |
| 05:40.49 | Guerin | oomg: like, say, if you want to run a userdir out of your home, the webserver needs to be able to read it |
| 05:41.56 | Guerin | Sluk: make sure the mixer volume is up |
| 05:42.05 | Sluk | yeah |
| 05:42.13 | Sluk | but whatever i try, it doesnt even start playing |
| 05:42.16 | Sluk | not just cant hear it |
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| 05:42.17 | derobert | Guerin: not read, just execute. |
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| 05:42.38 | jm_ | derobert: that depends on the web server, some require read permissions too |
| 05:42.46 | Guerin | derobert: oh, true. But he doesn't have that, either. |
| 05:42.55 | jm_ | or rather, it might depend on your setup |
| 05:42.57 | Guerin | at least the userdir will nedd to be +r |
| 05:43.51 | derobert | Guerin: that should really only need to be +x; the files will need +r though |
| 05:44.27 | Sluk | volume is 100% |
| 05:44.32 | Sluk | but i cnat play anything! |
| 05:44.44 | IDC | :) |
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| 05:44.58 | sunrise | hi all |
| 05:45.05 | sunrise | run alioth.d.o out of space ? or why does not my CVS write access work anymore :( |
| 05:45.10 | jazzmans | weird, apt-get says imagemagick is already installed, however I cannot run the program typing imagemagick or /usr/bin/imagemagick or /usr/sbin/imagemagick. Where do I look next? |
| 05:45.29 | jm_ | jazzmans: start by listing the files that are in the package |
| 05:45.55 | derobert | jazzmans: dpkg -L imagemagick | grep /bin/ |
| 05:46.11 | Sluk | ok, mp3blaster doesnt complain about using /dev/dsp |
| 05:46.14 | jazzmans | thanks derobert, I was just asking how. I'm such a noob in so many ways. |
| 05:46.22 | Sluk | but it just doesnt start playing any files |
| 05:46.40 | user_ | waht would be the best way to see if the key pressed is actually passed to the linux if it sees it so to say. and i'm interested in special buttonw like, windows key, volume control, etc... |
| 05:46.44 | derobert | jazzmans: btw, if you're looking for an image editor, as opposed to utility used from scripts, you want to look at gimp |
| 05:47.00 | jm_ | user_: in X? use xev |
| 05:47.12 | karsten | user_: interactively or programmatically? |
| 05:47.16 | jazzmans | I'm batch converting a lot of tiffs to jpeg, :) otherwise I do use gimp. |
| 05:47.18 | karsten | user_: Interactively: xkeycaps. |
| 05:47.24 | user_ | karsten intercatlivly |
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| 05:48.08 | kullanici | hi |
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| 05:48.36 | jm_ | it might require you to tell kernel what to map it to first, which will be in kernel logs like this: kernel: atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e03b <keyco |
| 05:48.39 | jm_ | de>' to make it known. |
| 05:48.42 | kullanici | i'm loading bttv module with " modprobe bttv card=62 tuner=5 " and i'm installing sound driver via modconf |
| 05:48.43 | jm_ | stupid less |
| 05:48.52 | kullanici | but i'm doing these all time after reboot... |
| 05:48.59 | kullanici | how can i make these automaticly ? |
| 05:49.04 | jm_ | kullanici: man modules |
| 05:49.37 | myren | man, tunneling x over ssh is a serious resource hog |
| 05:49.43 | myren | drains the shizzle out of my cpu |
| 05:49.50 | myren | barely got any shazam left |
| 05:50.02 | derobert | myren: try telling ssh to use blowfish, that'll speed it up some |
| 05:50.07 | jm_ | well try choosing different crypto algorithm |
| 05:50.56 | simonrvn | arcfour is pretty zippy too |
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| 05:51.52 | derobert | simonrvn: woody ssh only has blowfish, 3des, and des(!)... |
| 05:52.02 | derobert | simonrvn: actually, so does sarge, according to the manpage |
| 05:52.28 | simonrvn | sure... |
| 05:52.48 | jm_ | naah it has much more |
| 05:53.04 | jazzmans | can imagemagick convert canon g2 raw TIFF files? I had to install a plug-in for gimp to read them. |
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| 05:53.39 | jm_ | it mentiones them for me |
| 05:53.49 | derobert | jm_: look under -c, it's not there... |
| 05:54.00 | derobert | jm_: it says to see Ciphers, a section that doesn't exist :-( |
| 05:54.03 | jm_ | derobert: man ssh_config |
| 05:54.18 | jm_ | derobert: the ones you mentioned are for protocol 1 only |
| 05:54.28 | user_ | jm_ xev seems to catch only 3 keys out of desired 6... and can it do combinations of keys? cuase i have special function key... |
| 05:55.05 | jm_ | user_: xev just prints raw X11 events - X server will catch it as long as you map them to something, see above |
| 05:55.45 | Guerin | ok, what causes a 550 - unable to chdir error in ftp? |
| 05:55.55 | derobert | jm_: hmmm, looking deeper, the ssh_config, ssh, and sshd manpages all list a different list of ciphers supported in ssh2. Search for arcfour in each, and see the differences... |
| 05:55.57 | simonrvn | 550 is perm denied |
| 05:56.03 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:56.17 | user_ | s/nsk/nks/ |
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| 05:56.48 | Guerin | so, since the perms are good, but the dir to which I've symlinked is outside the ftp root, I probably need to tell the ftpd it's allowed to follow symlinks outside its root |
| 05:57.13 | jm_ | derobert: like I said, the three ciphers you mentioned are for protocol 1, the ones under Ciphers are for protocol 2 |
| 05:57.16 | simonrvn | yes. or reverse the symlink, or something |
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| 05:58.13 | derobert | jm_: Yeah, but ssh(1) says "Protocol 2 provides additional mechanisms for confidentiality (the traffic is encrypted using 3DES, Blowfish, CAST128 or Arcfour)" which leaves out, say, AES. |
| 05:58.21 | simonrvn | The default is |
| 05:58.21 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.41 | simonrvn | Ciphers Specifies the ciphers allowed for protocol version 2. |
| 05:58.44 | jm_ | derobert: naah, read the proto 2 section and it's there |
| 05:58.58 | simonrvn | pasted backwards, but you get it |
| 05:59.04 | jm_ | it has 128-, 192- and 256-bit AES |
| 05:59.06 | derobert | jm_: that's the one occurance of Arcfour in ssh(1) |
| 05:59.20 | derobert | jm_: AES does not occur in that page |
| 05:59.36 | simonrvn | aes does |
| 05:59.49 | jm_ | derobert: yes, it does in other pages though |
| 06:00.00 | simonrvn | man sshd_config |
| 06:00.05 | derobert | jm_: yes, hence the pages give different lists... |
| 06:00.46 | jm_ | derobert: it could be more consistent, but they can always say 'you have further references under See also:' |
| 06:01.38 | derobert | jm_: yes, the info is there, but it is wrong (or, at least outdated) in at least one place. Wrong info should be fixed. |
| 06:02.11 | jm_ | derobert: sure, it's always welcome when someone does that |
| 06:03.06 | _joey | rijndael is 256 bits |
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| 06:04.01 | _joey | been approved in North America, a good algorithm |
| 06:04.20 | Arafangion | Why might smbclient try to connect to 192.168.1.1 when it should resolve to 192.168.0.1? |
| 06:04.56 | Arafangion | It's current network is 192.168.0.x, btw. |
| 06:05.01 | _joey | Do you have netmask set properly ? |
| 06:05.15 | _joey | subnet mask rather |
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| 06:05.30 | Arafangion | Yup, and it's 192.168.0.x |
| 06:05.45 | _joey | no |
| 06:05.51 | derobert | Arafangion: the subnet mask, is that 255.255.255.0 ? |
| 06:05.52 | _joey | it starts with 255.x |
| 06:05.59 | Arafangion | derobert, Yes. |
| 06:06.09 | Arafangion | Infact, I have the server bind to 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:06.21 | jm_ | how do you connect? |
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| 06:07.13 | Arafangion | I attempt to connect using "smbclient -L host", where 'host' is the name of the server. |
| 06:07.24 | jm_ | what does nmblookup say? |
| 06:07.34 | Pyroscroll | iok |
| 06:07.35 | Pyroscroll | ok |
| 06:07.38 | Pyroscroll | so here's my problem |
| 06:08.15 | Arafangion | nmblookup yields the correct ip. |
| 06:08.31 | Arafangion | Wait. |
| 06:08.31 | Pyroscroll | i must have pressed enter at some point in installation and it bypassed 2 screens at once, anyways end result everything installed fine except for the fact that my keyboard dosent work on login prompt (where it alows me to choose kde,gnome, etc.) |
| 06:08.35 | Arafangion | Yup. |
| 06:08.58 | jm_ | then try smbclient -I IP |
| 06:09.16 | maher | Arafangion: does ping host give the right ip |
| 06:09.28 | Pyroscroll | so i want to maybe reset settings so i can set my keyboard |
| 06:09.29 | Arafangion | maher, Dig, nmblookup, etc, all give the correct ip |
| 06:09.46 | Pyroscroll | the keyboard types when everything is still starting up |
| 06:10.01 | Pyroscroll | but when i get to gui where my mouse works |
| 06:10.03 | Arafangion | tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME |
| 06:10.15 | Arafangion | Which is better than the original result. |
| 06:11.45 | Nurbs | why can a dist-upgrade remove packages while installing no new ones which might replace them or conflict with them? |
| 06:13.07 | derobert | Pyroscroll: I think it is dpkg-reconfigure on console-common, console-data, or console-tools |
| 06:13.20 | drac | -data |
| 06:13.21 | derobert | Pyroscroll: if it works while booting, tell it to just use the kernel keymap |
| 06:14.17 | user_ | so, if i setkeykodes, and use loadkeys, i can have keys binded to whatever actions i want? |
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| 06:14.23 | derobert | Nurbs: because it thinks somewhere that there is a conflict. Or because it isn't fully intelligent. If you examine the package set carefully enough, you'll probably find a reason |
| 06:14.29 | Arafangion | So, what's happening? |
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| 06:14.58 | Arafangion | I just found in the logs: |
| 06:15.00 | Arafangion | [2005/05/09 16:05:44, 0] nmbd/nmbd_browsesync.c:find_domain_master_name_query_fail(353) |
| 06:15.00 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.10 | derobert | Nurbs: a trivial example would be A depends b = 1.0; to upgrade b, you must remove a (unless a new A is available) |
| 06:15.11 | Arafangion | Now, why doesn't it just make itself a domain master server? |
| 06:15.12 | jm_ | user_: use something like hotkeys for X |
| 06:15.35 | Nurbs | derobert: but there are no other upgrades :| |
| 06:15.56 | derobert | Nurbs: ummm, wait, so which packages are involved? |
| 06:16.17 | derobert | Nurbs: I guess it might try and respect your selected/unselected state in dselect. Not sure if apt does that. |
| 06:16.35 | Nurbs | that'd be done by dselect-upgrade, I think |
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| 06:17.58 | Levander | somebody was telling me i should use afsd to detect when my smb shares had become unmounted. He said this was the same program NFS mount use to detect this. I think he said the name of the program was afsd. Anybody remember the name of this program? |
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| 06:18.13 | furrywolf | "[PATCH] USB: compilation failure on usb/image/microtek.c" woot. my other scanner should work again. :P |
| 06:18.16 | Nurbs | derobert: http://rafb.net/paste/results/qlCfdF90.html |
| 06:18.22 | starscalling | hmm |
| 06:18.45 | starscalling | why would ifconfig reset its traffic count without a server reboot? |
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| 06:19.17 | derobert | Nurbs: I suspect it must be respecting your install/deinstall choices in dselect. That doesn't make any sense.... |
| 06:19.22 | user_ | duh, i just killed my machine wtih some random keypress |
| 06:19.34 | user_ | how is that even possible? |
| 06:19.35 | derobert | Nurbs: what about just 'apt-get install -f' |
| 06:19.44 | Nurbs | derobert: does nothing |
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| 06:20.05 | maher | starscalling: dunno - did you get acces to your remote bix? |
| 06:20.18 | maher | starscalling: s/bix/box/ |
| 06:20.25 | starscalling | naw |
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| 06:20.40 | lehel | hello |
| 06:20.42 | starscalling | datacenter is gonna have to use kvm and apt get 3 things first |
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| 06:20.51 | derobert | Nurbs: that is... weird. |
| 06:20.52 | maher | starscalling: did you find out if you have some sort of console access? |
| 06:21.24 | Nurbs | derobert: I wouldn't ask if I could think of a reason ;) |
| 06:21.30 | Immure | Save me from RPM hell. Is Debian all the things dreams are made of ? |
| 06:21.45 | maher | Immure: yes |
| 06:21.51 | Immure | Yes ! |
| 06:21.51 | fatalblu | yes |
| 06:22.06 | fatalblu | it's gold plated and even vibrates at two speeds! |
| 06:22.07 | Immure | I have woody laying around, i hope its not outdated |
| 06:22.11 | Immure | lol |
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| 06:22.24 | fatalblu | i have a woody laying around as well... |
| 06:22.30 | fatalblu | but i digress |
| 06:22.33 | Immure | go install it somewhere |
| 06:22.36 | Immure | ./mount |
| 06:22.50 | derobert | Immure: well, in the sense its the current release, its not outdated... The software is three years old, though. |
| 06:23.04 | lehel | it is possible to make an image for the current Debain, with all soft installed? |
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| 06:23.18 | Immure | derobert: so i shall probably have issues installing recently released software packages? |
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| 06:23.46 | furrywolf | sweet dreams are made of this... who am I to disagree... I travel the net, and the seven disties... everybody's looking for something... some of them want to own you... some of them want to charge you... some of them want to abuse you... some of them want to lease to you... (use debian! movin' on!) |
| 06:23.50 | furrywolf | ok, I need sleep. bbl. :) |
| 06:23.58 | derobert | Immure: you may want to use sarge, which is to be released really soon now, instead |
| 06:24.15 | simonrvn | furrywolf++ |
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| 06:24.28 | Immure | I would like to, but I'm on dialup locally using suse 9.1 personal (read:lacking many packages) |
| 06:24.30 | user_ | okay, i've been having this wierd problem on my laptop, i have debian sarge. and doe snot matter what kernel i use, the first stage of loading it takes for ever... like is says laoding linux....... and keeps showsing dots forever! and then says Bios Check complete... Does any one has this problem? |
| 06:24.40 | furrywolf | simon: sure that wasn't supposed to be a --? :P |
| 06:24.41 | Arafangion | It appears I have no master browser. How do I fix this? |
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| 06:25.15 | derobert | Nurbs: well, I guess asking the apt mailing list (forget its name) might be a good bet to figure that one out. |
| 06:25.17 | user_ | i've seen the dots go FAST on my friends laptop.... like in less then a second.... |
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| 06:25.39 | Nurbs | derobert: I guess so :) |
| 06:26.10 | derobert | Arafangion: There is an option in the smbd config for that. |
| 06:26.17 | Arafangion | derobert, Indeed. |
| 06:26.22 | Immure | thx all |
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| 06:26.26 | user_ | i don't know how to discribe the problem :( |
| 06:26.27 | Arafangion | derobert, It's currently on "auto", and I've just changed it to "yes". |
| 06:26.40 | Arafangion | derobert, Now, for some inexplicible reason, there's no master browser at all. |
| 06:27.08 | Levander | Has anybody run XP Services for UNIX to share NFS files with their Linux box? |
| 06:27.13 | simonrvn | furrywolf: nah. g'night |
| 06:27.19 | furrywolf | simon: heh |
| 06:27.19 | Levander | just wondering how easy it is to setup, how well it runs |
| 06:27.21 | derobert | user_: well, my first suggestion is "don't reboot" :-) |
| 06:27.21 | [sg]admin | am i able to apply grsecurity patch on my kernel ?? with deb package |
| 06:27.23 | [sg]admin | ? |
| 06:27.31 | simonrvn | furrywolf: my highlight doesn't work on 'simon' |
| 06:27.41 | derobert | user_: other than that, there is an option for lilo (or are you using grub?) that might speed it up... I think its "compact" |
| 06:27.53 | user_ | debhelper it is a laptop... does not work this way :( |
| 06:27.59 | simonrvn | [sg]admin: you have our permission |
| 06:28.11 | furrywolf | "[PATCH] remove all kernel BUGs" too bad that doesn't mean what it would if the BUG were lowercase. :) |
| 06:28.11 | user_ | debhelper i use lilo. but how would that speed up things? |
| 06:28.26 | [sg]admin | but how |
| 06:28.28 | [sg]admin | ? |
| 06:28.31 | jazzmans | imagemagick doesn't seem to recognize the type of TIFF file my camera creates, konqueror, however does have a convert feature, that converts to a jpeg file. It's a really low resolution, how can I change it so it converts to the highest quality of a jpeg? |
| 06:28.34 | [sg]admin | ?? |
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| 06:29.03 | simonrvn | ??? |
| 06:29.07 | derobert | user_: ok, first off, check your tab completion.... |
| 06:29.19 | derobert | user_: other than that, read the lilo.conf manpage for compact |
| 06:29.35 | user_ | derobert sorry abotu that indeed, missed the name :) |
| 06:29.54 | the_freaking_pop | is it possible to find out who hosts a particular domain? |
| 06:30.15 | derobert | user_: and if standby support is working on the laptop, I really don't see why you'd ever reboot.... I sure don't. [Now, given, my laptop doesn't run Debian...] |
| 06:30.28 | user_ | derobert i do not think that reading from non adjacent sectors is a a problem since boot parrirtion is the first one... |
| 06:30.28 | maher | the_freaking_pop: dig will give you some info - also traceroute migt help |
| 06:30.58 | [sg]admin | simonrvn: how can i do it from debian package ? |
| 06:31.07 | user_ | derobert what do you mean by standby? if you mean suspend, hten it will have to reaboot... and then load the suspended threads |
| 06:31.26 | derobert | user_: "suspend to RAM" or whatever it is called |
| 06:31.27 | simonrvn | you use the kernel-source, or upstream's (kernel.org) |
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| 06:31.35 | Pyroscroll | tried dhte commands |
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| 06:31.37 | Pyroscroll | didnt work |
| 06:31.43 | Pyroscroll | what was it again |
| 06:31.46 | user_ | derobert huh? to RAM? |
| 06:31.50 | Pyroscroll | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:31.50 | simonrvn | [sg]admin: read the docs for the grsec2 patch package first |
| 06:32.06 | user_ | derobert i think you mean software suspend to hdd. |
| 06:32.23 | derobert | user_: and compact works best for adjacent sectors; it changes multiple read requests, one per sector, into one read request for multiple sectors |
| 06:32.32 | user_ | derobert but that means it will write thread info to the hdd. and then when you power on the lapotp, it iwll resume the threads form that partition |
| 06:32.38 | the_freaking_pop | if i have an IP, how can i resolve that to who owns it? |
| 06:32.44 | derobert | user_: no, suspend to RAM, as in "turn off the hdd, the display, the cards, the processor, but leave the RAM powered" |
| 06:32.47 | maher | the_freaking_pop: whois |
| 06:33.20 | user_ | derobert yeah, i read the manpage. but do not see how would that reduce time from a minute to less then a second... |
| 06:33.23 | MonkeyINAbaG | http://www.clublaugh.com/es-items/712.swf <---- trippy |
| 06:33.39 | Pyroscroll | i just installed debian |
| 06:33.40 | derobert | user_: well, because there is no boot then. |
| 06:33.41 | furrywolf | woot. someone's been spellchecking the comments in the kernel. must be getting time for .12. :P |
| 06:33.48 | derobert | user_: oh wait, read that wrong |
| 06:33.48 | Pyroscroll | my keyboard dosent work on logon screen |
| 06:33.53 | Pyroscroll | is there a way to reconfigure it |
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| 06:34.03 | Pyroscroll | or redo setup without redownloading it all |
| 06:34.05 | derobert | Pyroscroll: did you get my previous message about dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:34.06 | user_ | derobert there is boot :) |
| 06:34.23 | Pyroscroll | say it again |
| 06:34.24 | derobert | user_: compact is the only thing I can think of to speed up the Loading....... step |
| 06:34.25 | Pyroscroll | iwanna make sure |
| 06:34.28 | Pyroscroll | i got it right |
| 06:34.32 | Pyroscroll | cuz i had to reboot and try it |
| 06:34.52 | user_ | derobert but the issue is not that, i'd rather address the issue... but thanks eitherway |
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| 06:35.18 | derobert | user_: wait, I thought the issue was how long the 'Loading Linux......' message took? |
| 06:35.27 | user_ | derobert yes |
| 06:36.01 | user_ | derobert but i meant that i do not think that reading from the hdd was the problem, i might be wrong, where can i find documentation on that? |
| 06:36.07 | derobert | user_: the Loading Linux.... message is what LILO spits out as it calls the BIOS to read the Linux kernel from the hard disk to RAM. Compact speeds that up. |
| 06:36.15 | user_ | i mean, where can i find documentation, how does loading linux works? |
| 06:36.26 | user_ | derobert i'll certanly try that |
| 06:36.35 | derobert | user_: /usr/share/doc/lilo, and the kernel sources. |
| 06:36.40 | derobert | and lilo source too, of course |
| 06:37.00 | user_ | derobert does the -c have to go as an option to the lilo while starting up? |
| 06:37.15 | derobert | user_: no. |
| 06:37.29 | derobert | user_: add 'compact' to your /etc/lilo.conf, then re-run lilo |
| 06:37.38 | derobert | user_: have a boot disk ready, just in case. |
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| 06:37.45 | Levander | user_: read the book "How Linux Works"? |
| 06:38.25 | user_ | Levander don't have the $$ to buy the book, and also very little time |
| 06:38.59 | user_ | derobert i'm not seen word compact in the man page any where, but associated with -c option |
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| 06:39.21 | derobert | user_: see the lilo.conf manpage |
| 06:40.31 | user_ | also, how can iverify that my boot partition is the first one in the hdd... cause now i'm not sure, since i've got windows installed as well, *i think* windows wnated to go first |
| 06:41.20 | derobert | user_: fdisk -l /dev/hda (or whatever) will show you the partition map. cat /proc/mounts will show you what is mounted where. |
| 06:41.43 | user_ | also, what is a good paste site that allows to highlight certian lines? |
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| 06:43.20 | streuner | user_: http://localhost/foo.html |
| 06:43.37 | Nurbs | derobert: I guess it's because it wants to upgrade gnome-applets-data, then notices that it needs a newer gnome-applets (which it doesn't know about yet) and hence removes gnome-applets-data, too... and gnome-core just depends on them. *shrug* not really nice behaviour, but at least it can be explained that way :) |
| 06:43.58 | user_ | streuner what do you suggest? |
| 06:44.08 | streuner | user_: apt-get install apache |
| 06:45.09 | derobert | streuner: ummm, having random people install servers for no good reason isn't really a great idea. |
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| 06:45.45 | streuner | derobert: well, if you running debian you should know how to use a webserver |
| 06:45.50 | ram_einstein | Hi all, I just downloaded, burnt and installed Sarge CD1 |
| 06:45.55 | ram_einstein | on /dev/hdb |
| 06:46.13 | ram_einstein | My active MBR is on /dev/hda (a Fedora system) |
| 06:46.16 | starscalling | god dam it |
| 06:46.19 | ram_einstein | and it uses grub |
| 06:46.30 | starscalling | how much do yall pay if you need a host to reinstall an os? |
| 06:46.33 | ram_einstein | how do I boot to /dev/hdb1? |
| 06:46.36 | streuner | derobert: random people playing with kernel and stuff so why not playing with webservers ;-) |
| 06:46.42 | ram_einstein | */dev/hdb2 |
| 06:47.00 | ram_einstein | how do I edit my grub.conf to achieve this |
| 06:47.09 | starscalling | and how large does a root partition need to be at max would you say |
| 06:47.10 | ram_einstein | I did not install a bootloader from debian |
| 06:47.23 | dondelelcaro | starscalling: depends on what you're doing. |
| 06:47.35 | starscalling | say absolute max dondelelcaro |
| 06:47.42 | starscalling | 5GB? 10? |
| 06:47.43 | ram_einstein | will a rootnoverify (hd1,1) work? |
| 06:47.44 | starscalling | 20? |
| 06:47.51 | dondelelcaro | starscalling: again, it totally depends on what / is, and what other partitions you've got. |
| 06:47.54 | derobert | streuner: the random people who play with kernel stuff (a) generally know what they're doing, especially if Linux et. al. accept their patches; (b) are hopefully behind firewalls if they don't. |
| 06:48.18 | ram_einstein | hello, there's a potential debian user here who just wants to know how to boot it |
| 06:48.20 | starscalling | assume ive got a nasty firewall log from bittorrenting |
| 06:48.26 | ram_einstein | ... and nobody wants to help? |
| 06:48.33 | dondelelcaro | my / is 500M, which is total overkill for my partitioning scheme. But then, I know exactly what I'm doing, and have a few dozen partitions |
| 06:48.54 | user_ | derobert is it okay if my boot partition is not the first one on the hdd? windows went first... |
| 06:49.01 | dondelelcaro | ram_einstein: just pass a root=/dev/hdb2 option to the kernel when you boot |
| 06:49.11 | derobert | user_: as long as you have a not-ancient BIOS, its fine |
| 06:49.19 | ram_einstein | how dondelelcaro? |
| 06:49.47 | user_ | derobert it is shadowed by compaq, so i'm not quite sure about it, but assuming it's shadoed should be that old :) |
| 06:49.55 | ram_einstein | how do I specify a partition to boot on grub.conf? |
| 06:50.00 | dondelelcaro | ram_einstein: edit the line passed to the kernel in the grub menu, or change the grub config and rerun grub. |
| 06:50.13 | derobert | user_: well, I think 'not ancient' means something like 'after 1996', so you're probably fine. |
| 06:50.15 | Guerin | starscalling: fix your firewall |
| 06:50.39 | user_ | derobert however there is something strange in the fdisk output, mind joining #flood for 6 line or so? |
| 06:50.42 | ram_einstein | oh okay... I use the same line as that for Fedora only that I change root=/dev/hdb2 right? |
| 06:50.58 | derobert | user_: go ahead |
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| 06:51.12 | jm_ | ram_einstein: you also need to ensure it's Debian's kernel/initrd image that gets loaded, not that of Fedora |
| 06:51.19 | dondelelcaro | ram_einstein: yes. |
| 06:51.55 | ram_einstein | okay... I'll read out the line for you jm_ and dondelelcaro |
| 06:51.59 | derobert | user_: what's weird about that? |
| 06:52.39 | user_ | like if you look at the start and end sectors of Extended and hte ones under that, they have the same sectors, is that normal? |
| 06:53.12 | user_ | like hda2, and hda5 start in the same place |
| 06:53.16 | ram_einstein | title Sarge |
| 06:53.16 | ram_einstein | root (hd1,1) |
| 06:53.16 | ram_einstein | kernel /vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hdb2 |
| 06:53.20 | derobert | user_: yes. The 'extended' partition is a holder for the rest of the partitions. You should use hda5 instead of hda2. |
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| 06:53.31 | ram_einstein | but I don't know the vmlinuz version |
| 06:53.34 | user_ | had2 and had7 ends in the same |
| 06:53.38 | ram_einstein | 2.8 odd I think |
| 06:53.44 | tpwalker1980 | could someone help me manually set up Ip on debian? |
| 06:53.57 | dondelelcaro | tpwalker1980: man 5 interfaces; edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:53.57 | streuner | user_: use the nick to adress people, thanks. |
| 06:54.00 | jm_ | tpwalker1980: man interfaces ; cd /usr/share/doc/ifupdown and read |
| 06:54.04 | dondelelcaro | !tell tpwalker1980 about interfaces |
| 06:54.15 | tpwalker1980 | thnx jm |
| 06:54.19 | user_ | streuner sorry, my bad, i usually do so :) |
| 06:54.28 | ram_einstein | is my grub.conf line fine or does it need modification? |
| 06:54.29 | streuner | user_: :-) |
| 06:54.44 | derobert | user_: yes, hda2 holds hda5 -- hda7, so hda5 starts where hda2 does, and hda7 ends where hda2 does. |
| 06:55.00 | starscalling | how much for a os reinstall with yalls' hosts if i may ask? |
| 06:55.02 | dondelelcaro | ram_einstein: if /vmlinuz really is a kernel, and /dev/hdb2 really is / for Debian, it's probably ok. |
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| 06:55.09 | dondelelcaro | starscalling: eh? |
| 06:55.12 | starscalling | well |
| 06:55.20 | eob84 | how do you set up a printer in sarge? |
| 06:55.25 | starscalling | basically dondelelcaro i have to have the os reinstalled |
| 06:55.30 | user_ | derobert thanks for the explanation. :) sorry i'm bad with hardware. |
| 06:55.39 | streuner | eob84: what kind of printer do you have? |
| 06:55.40 | dondelelcaro | starscalling: ok... and? |
| 06:55.41 | starscalling | its not all that bad but its cheaper for that than the minimum hourly rate |
| 06:55.53 | ram_einstein | okay thanks dondelelcaro, I'll reboot and see if my line works |
| 06:55.59 | ram_einstein | although the fedora line reads |
| 06:56.08 | ram_einstein | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.11-1.14_FC3 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet |
| 06:56.08 | starscalling | so i was just curious if yalls hosts charge like 20 or 50 or whatever when that needs to happen |
| 06:56.18 | ram_einstein | forget the logvol, it's lvm |
| 06:56.21 | eob84 | streuner, CANON bj-250 |
| 06:56.36 | streuner | eob84: so USB? |
| 06:56.42 | user_ | derobert would you happen to know when does: Warning: COMPACT may conflict with LBA32 on some systems |
| 06:56.44 | derobert | starscalling: why do you need an OS reinstall? Compromised? |
| 06:56.52 | dondelelcaro | starscalling: uh, depends. Generally I just reinstall the machines myself at the hosting place if they're dedicated, or the host reimages them if they're not. |
| 06:56.55 | Guerin | starscalling: my host has a $20 re-image fee |
| 06:56.57 | streuner | eob84: try /msg dpkg cups, /msg dpkg cups setup |
| 06:57.00 | starscalling | no i had fucked it up dero |
| 06:57.06 | starscalling | 20? dam this one is fucking 50 |
| 06:57.09 | starscalling | i hate them |
| 06:57.15 | starscalling | my other host is $0 |
| 06:57.26 | derobert | user_: yes, it means that some machines (never seen one) may not boot. That's why you keep a boot disk/disc handy. |
| 06:57.48 | derobert | starscalling: well, how badly fucked is it? Can you still ssh to it? |
| 06:57.55 | starscalling | that is what is missing |
| 06:57.57 | starscalling | ssh |
| 06:57.58 | starscalling | libssl |
| 06:58.02 | starscalling | and openssl |
| 06:58.08 | nextime | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.09 | nextime | ops |
| 06:58.11 | starscalling | i forgot to reinstall those when i fixed it |
| 06:58.27 | starscalling | otherwise it would be fine |
| 06:58.34 | starscalling | apt-get etc |
| 06:58.39 | derobert | starscalling: well, that's pretty bad... you might want to see if they'll run 'apt-get install ssh' for free |
| 06:58.44 | starscalling | but they have a 100/hr fee |
| 06:58.53 | starscalling | asked already |
| 06:58.57 | the_freaking_pop | off topic, but how does one go about reporting websites to blacklists? |
| 06:59.17 | derobert | ouch. Is this really cheap colo, 'cause if it ain't, I'd start getting quotes from competitors |
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| 06:59.52 | starscalling | let me put it this way |
| 06:59.56 | user_ | derobert, alright, guess it is time to downlaod a knoppix image. can i ask you a favour? proofread my lilo.conf. http://pastebin.com/281546 but i'm just worring that i have bad unused options, etc... |
| 06:59.59 | starscalling | im considering options |
| 07:00.06 | starscalling | but i put 2 of my own hdd's in the dam fucking thing |
| 07:00.14 | starscalling | i dont think ill fuck it up that bad again |
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| 07:00.23 | starscalling | i know what i did and learned a lot |
| 07:00.24 | derobert | the_freaking_pop: well, you'd start with the documentation for the blacklist, which I assume would tell you. |
| 07:00.40 | jm_ | the_freaking_pop: what blacklists? |
| 07:00.54 | the_freaking_pop | jm_ spamhaus ect |
| 07:00.59 | derobert | user_: you can use your debian install disc as a boot disc. Or make a bootfloppy, if you have a floppy drive (and floppies) |
| 07:01.05 | jm_ | the_freaking_pop: so you mean for mail then? |
| 07:01.16 | the_freaking_pop | jm_ yeah |
| 07:01.18 | user_ | derobert ic. |
| 07:01.31 | starscalling | how long does an install take anyway |
| 07:01.34 | starscalling | from scratch |
| 07:01.41 | jm_ | the_freaking_pop: it depends on the system you use |
| 07:01.58 | the_freaking_pop | jm_ by hand? |
| 07:02.05 | derobert | staniel: that depends on how well you know the installer, and how you're getting the packages, and how fast your hardware is. I've done one in 15 minutes. |
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| 07:02.31 | derobert | staniel: sorry, that last message was for starscalling |
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| 07:02.42 | starscalling | oh |
| 07:02.45 | dob1 | hi |
| 07:02.47 | felipe_br | in the case one needs to set up a server behind a firewall, could he use testing or unstable? |
| 07:02.51 | starscalling | hardware is pretty dam good |
| 07:03.05 | derobert | user_: that lilo.conf looks ok, I assume you just added "compact" up top? |
| 07:03.07 | jm_ | the_freaking_pop: no, I meant there are several sites that you can query to find out if given host belongs to spammers or not |
| 07:03.21 | felipe_br | I mean, only woody has security updates |
| 07:03.25 | the_freaking_pop | jm_ I meant report a list for spamming... |
| 07:03.26 | dob1 | it is a lot of days that i have problem to get update from debian mirror |
| 07:03.28 | dob1 | it is normal ? |
| 07:03.36 | derobert | felipe_br: no, security support is for sarge now, too. |
| 07:03.41 | derobert | felipe_br: read the release update |
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| 07:03.50 | jm_ | the_freaking_pop: yes, but once again - you need to report it to each of them, there's no generic way |
| 07:03.50 | felipe_br | tko |
| 07:03.59 | the_freaking_pop | jm_ thanks |
| 07:03.59 | eob84 | streuner, it wants a password... my password and root password do not work |
| 07:04.12 | user_ | then i have anouther question, here is my kernel.log notice hte highlihted lines, they bother me: http://pastebin.com/281542 There are several issues, first one is that is says LKMs are not enabled, when in the config file they are. second one: ACPI does not work properly sometimes and i can never guess why and wehn will it happen. 3rd, my radoen mobility m6 detects with half of the actuall ram size... then the frambuffer, dunno what |
| 07:04.15 | dob1 | Failed to fetch http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/woody/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages , Failed to fetch http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/woody/non-US/contrib/binary-i386/Package, Failed to fetch http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/woody/non-US/non-free/binary-i386/Packages, it is only this mirror that has this problem? |
| 07:04.17 | user_ | derobert yes, i just did that |
| 07:04.47 | derobert | felipe_br: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html |
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| 07:05.29 | ram_einstein | nope |
| 07:05.52 | ram_einstein | kernel= /vmlinuz ro /root=/ doesn't work either |
| 07:06.05 | ram_einstein | kernel= /vmlinuz ro /root=/dev/hdb doesn't work either |
| 07:06.10 | simonrvn | um, root= is a device, not a dir |
| 07:06.21 | simonrvn | nor is it the hard drive |
| 07:06.23 | dondelelcaro | ram_einstein: is /vmlinuz actually on whatever the grub root is? |
| 07:06.24 | ram_einstein | sorry no / |
| 07:06.28 | ram_einstein | root=/dev/hdb |
| 07:06.30 | ram_einstein | typo |
| 07:06.35 | simonrvn | still wrong |
| 07:06.35 | user_ | derobert thanks a lot with your help, once i'll get my other issues resolved (see the long message) i'll reboot and let you know if that solved my problem |
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| 07:06.42 | ram_einstein | no dondelelcaro |
| 07:06.53 | ram_einstein | that's only my fedora vmlinuz |
| 07:07.07 | derobert | user_: not sure about those other issues... |
| 07:07.07 | ram_einstein | grub is on /dev/hda |
| 07:07.23 | dondelelcaro | ram_einstein: well, then good luck getting it to work at all, even if you did have the right root partition. Wait, this isn't even Debian? |
| 07:07.29 | ram_einstein | and debian vmlinuz is on on /dev/hdb |
| 07:07.40 | simonrvn | hdbXX? |
| 07:07.46 | ram_einstein | it is debian |
| 07:07.49 | ram_einstein | hdb2 |
| 07:08.04 | ram_einstein | why dondelelcaro? |
| 07:08.24 | dondelelcaro | ram_einstein: because grub has to be able to find /vmlinuz, and it can't if it's not on the grub boot device. |
| 07:08.25 | ram_einstein | is it that hard? if grub isn't on the same partition as vmlinuz |
| 07:08.39 | simonrvn | hel-lo, s/he's missing the partition for the root= statement.... |
| 07:09.02 | ram_einstein | what's grub boot device? the hdd that grub is on? |
| 07:09.12 | dondelelcaro | ram_einstein: no, whatever grub's root is set to. |
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| 07:09.13 | ram_einstein | simonrvn, what am I missing? |
| 07:09.23 | jm_ | I feel he's using wrong root so GRUB can't find vmlinuz or he deleted /vmlinuz symlink |
| 07:09.33 | dondelelcaro | jm_: yeah, either/or |
| 07:09.33 | simonrvn | the root= statement needs the partition the root device is on |
| 07:09.40 | ram_einstein | dondelelcaro, I don't understand. what's grub's root? |
| 07:09.43 | simonrvn | like duh |
| 07:10.05 | toresbe | ram_einstein: you may know RAM, but disks.... :P |
| 07:10.06 | dondelelcaro | ram_einstein: the partition that /vmlinuz et al. is located on. |
| 07:10.10 | ram_einstein | oh so root=/dev/hdb2 will work! |
| 07:10.13 | user_ | then i have anouther question, here is my kernel.log notice hte highlihted lines, they bother me: http://pastebin.com/281542 There are several issues, first one is that is says LKMs are not enabled, when in the config file they are. second one: ACPI does not work properly sometimes and i can never guess why and wehn will it happen. 3rd, my radoen mobility m6 detects with half of the actuall ram size... then the framebuffer, dunno what |
| 07:10.27 | dondelelcaro | ram_einstein: no, it won't. That's the KERNEL option. NOT THE GRUB ROOT> |
| 07:10.43 | dondelelcaro | they are totally different things. |
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| 07:11.02 | ram_einstein | I have a vmlinuz on /dev/hda |
| 07:11.11 | ram_einstein | it's fedora's |
| 07:11.16 | toresbe | ram_einstein: GRUB root is where GRUB loads the kernel from. It's usually written hd(x,y) where x is the disk and y the partition |
| 07:11.20 | ram_einstein | I need to create a symlink to this other one? |
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| 07:11.37 | ram_einstein | ah toresbe thanks |
| 07:11.39 | toresbe | ram_einstein: normal root is where the kernel loads the user space from (init, all the other applications) |
| 07:11.43 | simonrvn | /dev/sda2 on / type jfs (rw,errors=remount-ro,iocharset=utf8) |
| 07:11.54 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 07:11.56 | simonrvn | e.g. |
| 07:12.01 | user_ | alright i'm gonna reboot |
| 07:12.06 | toresbe | user_: have FUN! |
| 07:12.06 | ram_einstein | I put a line root (hd1,1) before this line |
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| 07:12.16 | ram_einstein | that should take care of it right? |
| 07:12.28 | toresbe | that will boot from the second disk's second partition |
| 07:12.38 | toresbe | It starts at 0, btw :P |
| 07:12.40 | ram_einstein | yes toresbe that is correct |
| 07:12.46 | toresbe | oh, okay |
| 07:12.49 | toresbe | well, then, sure |
| 07:13.04 | ram_einstein | why doesn't it work still? my lines are: |
| 07:13.06 | toresbe | you could also just run grub in command line mode |
| 07:13.12 | toresbe | and then try your way |
| 07:13.18 | ram_einstein | title Sarge |
| 07:13.18 | ram_einstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.18 | ram_einstein | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.34 | toresbe | should work |
| 07:13.39 | simonrvn | looks ok |
| 07:13.44 | ram_einstein | :( |
| 07:13.51 | ram_einstein | thats what I thought too |
| 07:13.53 | toresbe | well, you a) need initrd if you're using a stock kernel, and b) are you sure vmlinuz is the file you want? |
| 07:14.16 | toresbe | did you make your own kernel? |
| 07:14.16 | simonrvn | you just need to double-check if it's actually correct ;) |
| 07:14.25 | ram_einstein | a) fedora uses that presently. I don't know about debian |
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| 07:14.31 | ram_einstein | no toresbe! |
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| 07:14.33 | ram_einstein | I'm new |
| 07:14.36 | simonrvn | wouldn't make a difference |
| 07:14.42 | toresbe | okay, then you need to include the initrd, for later |
| 07:14.43 | ram_einstein | I just installed sarge |
| 07:14.48 | user_ | derobert it actually worked, no dots at all.... Thanks a lot!! |
| 07:14.51 | simonrvn | ah, yeh, initrd is needed |
| 07:15.02 | ram_einstein | ... and if I were able to make my own kernel, I wouldn't be struggling with this! |
| 07:15.08 | toresbe | Would prevent you from booting later |
| 07:15.19 | simonrvn | something like initrd=/initrd.img or such (whatever the symlink's name is) |
| 07:15.25 | ram_einstein | I'll tell you what happens: |
| 07:15.29 | derobert | user_: glad to hear that. |
| 07:15.45 | ram_einstein | it starts outputting some text as usual |
| 07:15.52 | ram_einstein | like it's fine just like fedora |
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| 07:16.08 | mutante | i would like some files be writable by the SMB(samba) user, but not to everybody in the world, chmod g+w? but which group? |
| 07:16.11 | ram_einstein | and then it comes to a halt: the last three lines are interesting |
| 07:16.16 | toresbe | ram_einstein: I'm sorry, I have to go now |
| 07:16.22 | Coke | yes, because fedora is the definition of "fine" |
| 07:16.26 | user_ | derobert that speeds up things so much !!! wow. i'm really happy :) |
| 07:16.26 | ram_einstein | Cannot open root device "hdb2" |
| 07:16.37 | ram_einstein | that's okay toresbe thanks anyway |
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| 07:16.38 | simonrvn | missing initrd i bet ;) |
| 07:16.38 | toresbe | ram_einstein: is that the kernel saying that? |
| 07:16.47 | ram_einstein | yeah toresbe |
| 07:16.52 | toresbe | ram_einstein: initrd is just a bunch of drivers, you need to fid it that |
| 07:16.54 | toresbe | feed* |
| 07:16.57 | ram_einstein | that means the location is fine |
| 07:16.58 | greister | I fist installed fvwm then gome,but I want to start fvwm ,how could i do? |
| 07:17.00 | toresbe | after the kernel line |
| 07:17.24 | ram_einstein | okay after the kernel line /initdr=/ ? |
| 07:17.30 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:17.35 | toresbe | type "initrd /initrd.img" |
| 07:17.39 | simonrvn | "something like initrd=/initrd.img or such (whatever the symlink's name is)" |
| 07:17.43 | zeeble | greister: create a ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc, put "exec fvwm" to start fvwm, or exec gnome-session for gnome. |
| 07:17.44 | Coke | ram_einstein: it needs to point to the actual image file, not a directory |
| 07:17.53 | ram_einstein | okay |
| 07:18.02 | ram_einstein | but I don't know if I have such a symlink |
| 07:18.04 | toresbe | without the quotes, 'course |
| 07:18.05 | zeeble | Anyone know of a mozilla-firefox channel? |
| 07:18.09 | toresbe | you do, by default |
| 07:18.11 | ram_einstein | I just put in sarge and installed it |
| 07:18.15 | ram_einstein | without a bootloader |
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| 07:18.17 | toresbe | yeah, then you have it |
| 07:18.19 | ram_einstein | cd1 |
| 07:18.22 | Coke | ram_einstein: nevermind the symlink, just add the initrd for your kernel regardless of where it is. |
| 07:18.24 | toresbe | it's a part of the kernel |
| 07:18.24 | Delph | zeeble: probably in irc.mozulla.org |
| 07:18.28 | Delph | *illa |
| 07:18.28 | simonrvn | and what toresbe said, (i.e., without the = i mentioned) |
| 07:18.38 | ram_einstein | okay Coke and toresbe thanks! |
| 07:18.38 | zeeble | Delph: oh ok. will head over |
| 07:18.43 | toresbe | ram_einstein: no prob :) |
| 07:18.44 | ram_einstein | I'll be back if that doesn't work |
| 07:18.54 | toresbe | ram_einstein: give a status report if it works too |
| 07:19.05 | toresbe | curious ;) |
| 07:19.05 | Delph | zeeble: if not have a look round mozilla.org's site, they have an ircd somewhere... |
| 07:19.41 | zeeble | Delph: yeah, i got in there. and some nicks i recognise, thanks. |
| 07:19.49 | ram_einstein | sure toresbe from Debian ofcourse! |
| 07:20.01 | toresbe | ram_einstein: good luck :P |
| 07:20.08 | ram_einstein | thanks toresbe |
| 07:20.16 | ram_einstein | you'll be around? |
| 07:20.28 | toresbe | yeah, I'll be back in an hour's time |
| 07:20.39 | toresbe | need to do some nasty recabling |
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| 07:21.07 | zeeble | greister: got fvwm working? |
| 07:21.14 | greister | yes. thanks. |
| 07:21.26 | zeeble | greister: cheers. |
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| 07:21.37 | toresbe | bye |
| 07:21.41 | Niemi | hi all |
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| 07:24.22 | gruad | hi |
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| 07:25.36 | gruad | I'm running ubuntu ATM. Can I just put debian unstable into my sources.list and do a dist-upgrade? Has anyone ever tried this? |
| 07:26.10 | user_ | can somebody help me out figuring what is wrong with ACPI (sometimes it works) but in most of the cases it does not: http://pastebin.com/281542 |
| 07:26.21 | zeeble | gruad: err, not a wise idea. check out ubuntu's forums |
| 07:26.36 | zeeble | gruad: if you want to install specific packages, asking in #ununtu would be a good idea. |
| 07:26.59 | zeeble | gruad: fwiw, it tried that once, and stuff broke bad. but that was long time ago. |
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| 07:28.56 | user_ | can somebody help me out figuring what is wrong with ACPI (sometimes it works) but in most of the cases it does not: http://pastebin.com/281542 or see http://pastebin.com/281550 for the grep output |
| 07:29.01 | gruad | zeeble: alright, so i'll just have to deal with ubuntu then |
| 07:29.29 | Niemi | i have problem with Canyon portable HDD. how to mount this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/4ApE3D49.html |
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| 07:32.23 | starscalling | ok |
| 07:32.28 | starscalling | im going to war with my host atm |
| 07:32.34 | starscalling | fuckerasefrasdfasdf cheap ass hosts |
| 07:32.36 | jm_ | Niemi: /dev/sda is wrong |
| 07:32.40 | starscalling | where is the user file please |
| 07:32.45 | Niemi | i try sda1 |
| 07:32.51 | Niemi | same error |
| 07:32.52 | starscalling | i need to make sure that my other box only has me as a user |
| 07:33.14 | jm_ | well try /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/p1 or somesuch |
| 07:33.41 | Guerin | starscalling: you need a competent admin |
| 07:33.46 | user_ | i've been working as root a lot when i first started using debian. do you think it is easy to transfer the programm settings to another user? |
| 07:33.47 | Guerin | this is not your host's fault |
| 07:33.59 | jm_ | Niemi: check /proc/partitions |
| 07:34.01 | Guerin | user_: just start from scratch |
| 07:34.16 | user_ | Guerin and if that is not really an option? |
| 07:34.24 | Guerin | user_: it's always an option. |
| 07:34.30 | derobert | user_: you can copy the contents of root's home directory to your new user. |
| 07:34.43 | jm_ | but don't expect it to be a simple copy |
| 07:34.59 | user_ | Guerin sure at is, but the time spend recovering material isn't available... |
| 07:35.01 | Guerin | user_: many programs' dotfiles can be transferred to another user without trouble - but settings made within, say, kcontrol won't |
| 07:35.05 | derobert | cp -a should do it, followed by a chown -R newuser:newgroup on it |
| 07:35.11 | Guerin | and DO NOT copy the contents of /root/ anywhere |
| 07:35.11 | user_ | jm_ i figured :/ |
| 07:35.18 | Guerin | there's all sorts of pain in there |
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| 07:35.22 | starscalling | guerin that is not something that is likely to happen atm, so please what is the folder? |
| 07:35.25 | starscalling | or let me ask this |
| 07:35.30 | tuxmaster | hi i tryed to install webmin and it says access denyed |
| 07:35.38 | Guerin | starscalling: i have no fucking idea what you're on about |
| 07:35.44 | starscalling | ok |
| 07:35.45 | Guerin | tuxmaster: good. |
| 07:35.49 | zeeble | hehe |
| 07:35.50 | tuxmaster | why good |
| 07:35.55 | user_ | Guerin with do not copy, you addressing to me? if so, what is there that shouldn't be copied? |
| 07:35.59 | Guerin | tuxmaster: because nobody should use webmin, ever |
| 07:36.14 | starscalling | if there are users say root user1 and user2 on a comp where do i find the file that lists the users that have been set up |
| 07:36.15 | zeeble | tuxmaster: are you su ed to root? |
| 07:36.21 | tuxmaster | yep |
| 07:36.31 | starscalling | yeah webmin is fucking ebil |
| 07:36.32 | jm_ | starscalling: getent passwd |
| 07:36.38 | starscalling | its what caused this whole thing |
| 07:36.39 | Guerin | user_: root's homedir can have alll sorts of weird and wonderful stuff in it. settings, ssh keys, etc. |
| 07:36.40 | starscalling | thanx jm_ |
| 07:36.42 | zeeble | visudo |
| 07:36.56 | tuxmaster | ? |
| 07:37.05 | user_ | Guerin well, i'm the only user of this box... |
| 07:37.14 | derobert | starscalling: /etc/passwd lists the users on a machine, unless you're using something besides plain files (NIS, LDAP, etc. But then you'd know where to look) |
| 07:37.15 | zeeble | tuxmaster: what exactly is your error? paste it in pastebin or something |
| 07:37.19 | simonrvn | root's homedir can bite you in the ass, with pointy teeth, and rabies |
| 07:37.32 | Guerin | user_: copy specific files that you KNOW are harmless and leave the others in place |
| 07:37.37 | tuxmaster | Error - Access denied for 69.105.205.202 |
| 07:37.38 | zeeble | tuxmaster: or paste it in #flood |
| 07:37.41 | tuxmaster | big bold letters |
| 07:37.48 | Niemi | jm_ partitions http://rafb.net/paste/results/zznOIL62.html |
| 07:37.50 | simonrvn | derobert: getent passwd works for anything |
| 07:38.00 | zeeble | tuxmaster: err, how exactly are/were you installing ? |
| 07:38.04 | user_ | too much pain in the ass already to move, i'll just keep working under root as a bad habbit :( |
| 07:38.10 | tuxmaster | apt-get webmin |
| 07:38.14 | user_ | have no time to make the transition |
| 07:38.16 | derobert | Guerin: on debian, /root/ is just root's home directory. There should not be anything there except the normal stuff one would find in an account. |
| 07:38.19 | Guerin | tuxmaster: by default it only accepts connections from 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:38.20 | jm_ | Niemi: try fdisk -l /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 |
| 07:38.29 | Guerin | derobert: root's account, yeah. |
| 07:38.39 | jm_ | Niemi: err fdisk -l /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 and then mount the above |
| 07:38.42 | Coke | tuxmaster: obviously, you need to allow that IP to do whatever it is you're trying to do |
| 07:38.50 | derobert | Guerin: which he's used as his account. Nothing really special about it (other than the previleges, of course) |
| 07:38.52 | user_ | Guerin sorry, that is what i meant, my root account... |
| 07:38.55 | Guerin | user_: that's a worse idea. |
| 07:39.31 | jm_ | Niemi: or fdisk -l /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/disc - not sure, I never user devfs/udev |
| 07:39.38 | jm_ | used even |
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| 07:40.05 | derobert | Niemi: here is a good question, check /prco/filesystems. Do you have vfat support? |
| 07:40.09 | Guerin | derobert: i had no way of knowing he was the only user, what apps he uses, what settings and ssh keys and config files with passwords and so on were in there. root's homedir is potentially full of important stuff which users shouldn't have any access to. |
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| 07:40.25 | derobert | Guerin: well, he said that :-D |
| 07:40.31 | Guerin | derobert: AFTER i told him. |
| 07:40.35 | Niemi | jm_ ls -l /dev/scsi* |
| 07:40.35 | Niemi | LSorense: /dev/scsi*: No such file or directory |
| 07:40.38 | tuxmaster | thanks |
| 07:40.41 | TinoW | hi |
| 07:40.55 | user_ | Guerin i'm the only user of the box. and i implied the root account. and aksing abotu moving stuff to the user account |
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| 07:41.03 | jm_ | Niemi: well it must be there because /proc/partitions lists it, just do the above, don't bother with ls |
| 07:41.38 | Guerin | user_: what sort of settings do you want to save? |
| 07:42.03 | Delph | user_: run your apps as normal in the other account. when you find a program without settings, copy them over. you get a spring clean of your ~ at the same time. |
| 07:42.08 | derobert | jm_: It need not be. He probably has devfs support compiled in, but not mounted. |
| 07:42.31 | jm_ | derobert: does anything work at all if it's not mounted? |
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| 07:42.39 | derobert | jm_: yes, you can use normal /dev |
| 07:42.41 | Niemi | derobert vfat - yes http://rafb.net/paste/results/cnNkuQ23.html |
| 07:42.50 | cast | any recommendations on dvd burning tool? i think im going with dvdrtools |
| 07:42.58 | jm_ | derobert: OK |
| 07:43.03 | jm_ | cast: growisofs |
| 07:43.20 | derobert | cast: I've always uses growisofs as well |
| 07:43.49 | derobert | Niemi: ok, do a fdisk -l on /dev/sda --- what does it show? |
| 07:43.49 | user_ | Guerin dont' worry i'll eventually make the transition... but not at the moment... there is a lot of stuff that has to be syncronized between accounts. and that takes time (as an example mozilla bookmarks, i happen to have hundreds of them on both accounts) |
| 07:44.17 | derobert | user_: there is a great firefox extension called bookmarks synchronizer... |
| 07:44.22 | Niemi | derobert nothing |
| 07:44.31 | cast | growisofs? what package? |
| 07:44.45 | Guerin | user_: .mozilla is something you CAN move; since it won't contain any root-user-specific passwords or anything |
| 07:44.50 | jm_ | cast: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:44.56 | jm_ | Guerin: wrong |
| 07:44.58 | derobert | Niemi: nothing, as in you hit enter, and just see the command line again? |
| 07:45.05 | Niemi | derobert yes |
| 07:45.08 | user_ | Guerin it has wierd named directory which has settings in it. and if you just move the dir it won't take action |
| 07:45.09 | Guerin | user_: this is my point: you CAN move a bunch of stuff; just don't go blindly copying it around |
| 07:45.28 | Guerin | jm_: eh? mozilla isn't aware of unix users. |
| 07:45.29 | TinoW | is there any package in debian expected to provide a client for gda2? |
| 07:45.32 | Niemi | derobert without "-l" paramert "unable to read" |
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| 07:45.57 | derobert | Niemi: ok, what about file -k -L -s /dev/sda |
| 07:46.01 | starscalling | are there ways to have hidden users in a system ? |
| 07:46.09 | starscalling | or what is there to look for for a rootkit? |
| 07:46.13 | user_ | Guerin i think you missed the person (jm) and i meant firefox not mozilla |
| 07:46.15 | jm_ | Guerin: it has an absolute path stored in files |
| 07:46.21 | Guerin | starscalling: chkrootkit, rkhunter |
| 07:46.25 | TinoW | starscalling: remote or local system? |
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| 07:46.33 | starscalling | remote TinoW |
| 07:46.35 | Delph | starscalling: ok, you're worried about your host having done your system over? |
| 07:46.38 | starscalling | thanx guerin ill install |
| 07:46.41 | Delph | ffs, get a new host. |
| 07:46.41 | Guerin | jm_: which files? |
| 07:46.41 | Niemi | derobert ERROR: cannot read `/dev/sda' (Input/output error) |
| 07:46.43 | derobert | starscalling: Yes to both. Easiest way to look for a rootkit is chkrootkit. Best way is to boot from trusted media, and verify the system with e.g. tripwire |
| 07:46.46 | starscalling | delph im doing that |
| 07:46.48 | derobert | Niemi: ok, try again for sdb |
| 07:46.54 | starscalling | arg |
| 07:46.57 | Delph | starscalling: do it now, and don't trust the old box. |
| 07:46.58 | starscalling | its all in the datacenter |
| 07:47.03 | fwiw39 | question about iptables: i'm using arno's script iptables-firewall on debian - not sure which rc dir to link it to -anybody? |
| 07:47.06 | starscalling | delph its just seeding |
| 07:47.11 | starscalling | and yeah im doing just that i guess |
| 07:47.13 | Delph | seeding? |
| 07:47.19 | Niemi | ./dev/sdb: writable, no read permission |
| 07:47.27 | Niemi | uff |
| 07:47.44 | Delph | only thing i know about seeding is distributing things over bittorrent. |
| 07:48.01 | jm_ | Guerin: say appreg |
| 07:48.02 | Delph | and i wouldn't trust anyone who's box they're using to distribute it is in an unknown state. |
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| 07:48.05 | derobert | Niemi: wtf has happened to permissions in /dev? You'll probably need to be root to make that file command work |
| 07:48.37 | Niemi | derobert uid=0(root) g |
| 07:48.37 | jm_ | fwiw39: you can use pre-up facility of ifup or ip-up of pppd or ... |
| 07:48.38 | derobert | Delph: the seeder does not need to be trusted. Neither does the tracker. Only the .torrent file. |
| 07:49.07 | Guerin | jm_: I don't have an appreg file in any of my .mozilla dirs :) |
| 07:49.38 | Delph | derobert: i hope it's not serving out .torrents as well then =:) |
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| 07:50.22 | derobert | Niemi: ok, do you have additional SCSI devices on your system? |
| 07:50.33 | derobert | Niemi: oh, wait, you have IDE-SCSI enabled, don't you? |
| 07:50.40 | Guerin | graah, what's the program which updated new group membership without having to logout/in? |
| 07:51.03 | jm_ | Guerin: /msg dpkg audio |
| 07:51.03 | derobert | Guerin: newgrp |
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| 07:51.22 | user_ | uhm... how do i actually install that extension, it offers me to download the file, but not install it :/ (firefox) |
| 07:51.29 | Niemi | derobert where i can control this ? dmesg ? |
| 07:51.51 | user_ | ah, nvm, should have read the header |
| 07:51.59 | derobert | Niemi: Looking at your original post, you have ide-scsi enabled... scsi is "SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices" |
| 07:52.12 | Niemi | yep |
| 07:52.24 | kernelvn | how to make a deamon startup at boot ? In redhat I use chkconfig , somebody tell me that use simplelink to put de deamon script in to rc.<n> , it's right ? |
| 07:52.26 | Guerin | thank you, chaps |
| 07:52.44 | jm_ | Guerin: must be a leftover of various mozilla installations I had on this box then, but the absolute paths might be in other files as well |
| 07:52.45 | saintiss | hi |
| 07:53.04 | mooded | hey all.. anybody knows how to disable the pc-speaker in console ? |
| 07:53.10 | starscalling | do yall know iptraf well at all? |
| 07:53.15 | Guerin | kernelvn: read /etc/init.d/skeleton and README, and use update-rc.d, rcconf, sysvconfig or sysv-rc-conf |
| 07:53.19 | jm_ | mooded: man setterm |
| 07:53.21 | kernelvn | any suggest ? |
| 07:53.23 | starscalling | when you look at the broadcast bytes that is in KB right? |
| 07:53.25 | mooded | jm. thanks |
| 07:53.30 | kernelvn | thank |
| 07:53.34 | derobert | Niemi: are there any other "scsi" devices, like ATAPI CD-ROMs/CD-RWs/etc.? |
| 07:53.44 | Guerin | kernelvn: what you said IS the simple way, but an init script needs to be designed specifically |
| 07:53.45 | TinoW | starscalling: well, if you are really rootet, install of aditionally software would not help btw |
| 07:53.58 | starscalling | broadcast butes:229589 |
| 07:54.07 | starscalling | no im not rooted TinoW im pretty sure |
| 07:54.14 | starscalling | but the dude that was my netadmin is fucking fired |
| 07:54.16 | TinoW | starscalling: how do you know? :) |
| 07:54.21 | starscalling | and im pulling one of my boxes from my host |
| 07:54.27 | Niemi | derobert yes, hdc ATAPI 10x DVD-ROM |
| 07:54.34 | starscalling | i told him to let the fucker collect dust for all i fucking care |
| 07:54.34 | saintiss | I've got 2 hard disks which are supposed to be RAID-1... the "/" (main) partitions are already synched, but I fail to get them set up as a RAID array, because I always have to boot from one of them, and it says that partition can't be added to a raid array because it is busy |
| 07:54.37 | saintiss | is there a workaround? |
| 07:54.44 | kernelvn | but I would like to do it by hand |
| 07:54.47 | Guerin | starscalling: how come this is all someone else's fault? it was YOU who forgot to reinstall openssl |
| 07:54.49 | TinoW | starscalling: watch your language please |
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| 07:55.03 | derobert | saintiss: use your swap as a temporary root partition |
| 07:55.12 | derobert | saintiss: or do some black magic from an initrd |
| 07:55.16 | starscalling | no guerin |
| 07:55.24 | starscalling | he's trying to pull a fast one man |
| 07:55.31 | jm_ | Niemi: that's not a SCSI device |
| 07:55.34 | starscalling | just went up from 50-100 to reinstall the os |
| 07:55.41 | saintiss | derobert, hmm... what if my swap partition is too small? |
| 07:55.48 | kernelvn | Guerin: kernelvn: what you said IS the simple way, but an init script needs to be designed specifically |
| 07:55.56 | kernelvn | how the specifically ? |
| 07:55.57 | Niemi | jm_ yes, sorry |
| 07:55.59 | derobert | saintiss: you need ~100MB. You have a swap partition smaller than that?! |
| 07:56.17 | Niemi | derobert no other scsi devices |
| 07:56.30 | derobert | jm_: He's using ide-scsi, so it is. |
| 07:56.44 | derobert | Niemi: ok, try /dev/sdc with that file command. |
| 07:56.57 | derobert | Niemi: at some point, we should either find the damn thing or get a 'no such device' message |
| 07:56.59 | saintiss | derobert, that would be ok then... I thought I had to sync my root partition to the swap, no? |
| 07:57.00 | user_ | thanks a lot to everybody who helped me today! |
| 07:57.11 | user_ | it is 4 am, and iv'e got interview in 8 hours, gnite! |
| 07:57.17 | Niemi | derobert . /dev/sdc: writable, no read permission |
| 07:57.34 | Guerin | kernelvn: init scripts are called like /etc/inmit.d/nameofscript start |
| 07:57.36 | streuner | user_: good luck |
| 07:57.57 | kernelvn | guerin , yes offcause |
| 07:58.04 | user_ | streuner thanks |
| 07:58.06 | Guerin | kernelvn: so if the script isn't written to expect 'start' 'restart' 'stop' etc, they won't necessarily work properly when called by init |
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| 07:58.13 | jm_ | derobert: no it's not |
| 07:58.24 | Guerin | kernelvn: ok. My only point being that you can't put any random shell script in and expect it to run |
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| 07:58.37 | derobert | saintiss: well, the basic procedure I've used, when installing woody (since the installer didn't support it) was to install minimal onto my future-swap partition, then I would make my sync'd root partition, then copy the install to the root partition, then switch lilo and boot from the now-raid root partition. |
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| 07:58.55 | derobert | saintiss: this is a procedure that if you mess up in the slightest, you wind up getting out a boot disc, of course. |
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| 07:59.00 | rixth | My Firefox SegFaults when I goto www.pricespy.co.nz and click "Graphics" can anyone else confirm this? |
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| 07:59.10 | rixth | !ops pleas remove Kahin for porn on join |
| 07:59.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pleas remove Kahin for porn on join |
| 07:59.16 | kernelvn | so all the think I have to do is put the the correct script to /etc/init.d , then make a simple link to /etc/rc/rc.<n> :) |
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| 07:59.51 | Coke | rixth: wouldn't it help to know what version of firefox you are usnig? |
| 08:00.09 | Guerin | rixth: works for me: sid, firefox 1.0.2-3 |
| 08:00.20 | Guerin | rixth: i mean: the site works; no segfault |
| 08:00.27 | derobert | Niemi: hmmm... weird. Either /dev/sda or /dev/sdb *should* be your disk |
| 08:00.28 | saintiss | derobert, I'll try something similar... thanks |
| 08:00.46 | derobert | saintiss: just make sure to have backups, otherwise you might not be very happy afterwards! |
| 08:00.57 | Coke | rixth: I use the same version as Guerin and it works. |
| 08:00.57 | jm_ | hmm gotta upgrade, 1.0.3 is in now |
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| 08:01.03 | ram_einstein | hi all! |
| 08:01.07 | derobert | saintiss: and for a small debian install, you can use debootstrap |
| 08:01.18 | ram_einstein | the solution worked, I can now boot Debian |
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| 08:01.30 | ram_einstein | but I'm having problems with the first time boot config |
| 08:01.37 | kernelvn | another problem is when I tried ifconfig to take my IP , but when I reboot , it gone . How should I make it remain after reboot ? |
| 08:01.37 | huron_ | hi guys, I know this is kinda 'off topic' ... but : |
| 08:01.44 | saintiss | derobert, btw, do you know if information about RAID arrays is kept somewhere on the root partition? because it's been complaining about wrong uuid's even if I removed my RAID setup |
| 08:01.47 | Niemi | derobert i think sda http://rafb.net/paste/results/q30vXi45.html |
| 08:01.51 | ram_einstein | all the text seems wierd |
| 08:01.52 | huron_ | I'm looking for a laptop that (on linux) supports External Video and _at the same time_ lcd display |
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| 08:02.02 | huron_ | have you guys advices on that issue ? |
| 08:02.02 | ram_einstein | I can't delete the first character in a textbox |
| 08:02.05 | derobert | saintiss: Its kept in two places --- on the raid disks, and possible in /etc/raidtab |
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| 08:02.20 | ram_einstein | neither a character before an underscore |
| 08:02.20 | huron_ | I've had bad luck with dell ... |
| 08:02.28 | Voyager_MP | Hallo, ich suche eine source.list für amd64 ? |
| 08:02.33 | ram_einstein | anyone else had this problem before? |
| 08:02.38 | derobert | Niemi: ok, yeah, sda is the different one.... |
| 08:02.44 | ram_einstein | it's wierd and irritating |
| 08:02.48 | fwiw39 | question: better to run a dedicated linux router box or just hack a cheapie linksys router with sveasoft? |
| 08:02.58 | kernelvn | another problem is when I tried ifconfig to take my IP , but when I reboot , it gone . How should I make it remain after reboot ? |
| 08:02.58 | derobert | Niemi: oh, here is a question.... what type of drive was this again? |
| 08:02.59 | streuner | Voyager_MP: #debian-amd64 |
| 08:03.00 | ram_einstein | besides, it has a ppp interent connection wizard |
| 08:03.18 | streuner | Voyager_MP: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 08:03.22 | saintiss | derobert, I thought so... yet I removed the config file (which is allowed with mdadm), so the info should be only on the partitions... then I cleared the uuid's with --zerosuperblock... so how can it complain about uuid's afterwards? |
| 08:03.24 | ram_einstein | and I have a pppoe adsl connection through my LAN card |
| 08:03.32 | ram_einstein | anyone can help me out? |
| 08:03.36 | derobert | saintiss: no idea. |
| 08:03.45 | Niemi | derobert Canyon portable HDD with USB interface |
| 08:03.51 | kernelvn | another problem is when I tried ifconfig to take my IP , but when I reboot , it gone . How should I make it remain after reboot ? In redhat I use networkconfig and it ok :( |
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| 08:04.09 | derobert | Niemi: has dmesg said anything at all during all the i/o errors? |
| 08:04.10 | ram_einstein | why does nobody seem interested in a new user? |
| 08:04.21 | ram_einstein | who's almost at the end of getting Debian up? |
| 08:04.35 | saintiss | derobert, according to you it should also be possible to set up the raid by booting e.g. to knoppix? |
| 08:04.39 | Coke | ram_einstein: because it sounds like you are the cause of your problems |
| 08:04.49 | ram_einstein | Coke, no |
| 08:04.56 | Coke | ram_einstein: also because you ask qusetions over five lines and yet give very little facts |
| 08:05.00 | ram_einstein | what's ppp for a start |
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| 08:05.07 | derobert | saintiss: yes. you just need to boot off something besides the normal root partition, so you can unmount it. |
| 08:05.11 | cast | ram_einstein: ircs good for one line <6 word answers to a single simple question, other then that a book is pretty good :> |
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| 08:05.17 | onlinebacon | hi |
| 08:05.22 | Coke | ram_einstein: if you have to ask that question you should probably not use Debian |
| 08:05.28 | saintiss | derobert, ok, I'll have to fiddle with that a bit then... thanks |
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| 08:05.35 | ram_einstein | :( |
| 08:05.39 | ram_einstein | >< |
| 08:05.48 | derobert | ram_einstein: have you looked for a HOWTO on setting up your ADSL connection? |
| 08:05.55 | Niemi | derobert yep http://rafb.net/paste/results/SKxvrk27.html |
| 08:06.16 | ram_einstein | that's what I need derobert on the debian first time boot |
| 08:06.16 | Coke | ram_einstein: Debian is extremely user friendly, but only to users who knows a thing or two about both hardware and the Internet. |
| 08:06.20 | ram_einstein | what's ppp? |
| 08:06.32 | streuner | !info ppp |
| 08:06.33 | Guerin | !ppp |
| 08:06.33 | dpkg | from memory, ppp is the Point-to-Point Protocol for connecting to the Internet using a modem, or look at http://axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html for an article on "how to hook up ppp in Linux" -- PAP/CHAP stuff included. ask me about "ppp on windows" |
| 08:06.42 | dpkg | ppp: (Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.3-20050321+2 (sid), Packaged size: 318 kB, Installed size: 1008 kB |
| 08:06.43 | derobert | Niemi: are the any other messages in dmesg? |
| 08:06.47 | Coke | !ppp on windows |
| 08:06.48 | dpkg | it has been said that ppp on windows is to use a windows box as one of the ends of a PPP connection over a null modem cable, download http://enterprise.brutele.be/~pvz/windows-stuff/mdmcbx4.inf |
| 08:07.10 | Guerin | people still use null modem cables? |
| 08:07.20 | jm_ | I use it to connect to my firewall |
| 08:07.27 | ram_einstein | great I am still where I began |
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| 08:08.01 | Voyager_MP | Hi, I´m looking for a source.list for amd64, in #debian-amd64 i get no answer ;( |
| 08:08.06 | ram_einstein | I know the expansion but that isn't of much help. Does pp use an ethernet card? |
| 08:08.23 | jm_ | PPPoE stands for PPP over Ethernet |
| 08:08.34 | ram_einstein | yeah I know jm_ |
| 08:08.41 | jm_ | so why are you asking then? |
| 08:09.02 | ram_einstein | mine's pppoe adsl and it doesn't need a phone number to dial |
| 08:09.07 | Voyager_MP | Hi, I´m looking for a source.list for amd64, in #debian-amd64 i get no answer ;( |
| 08:09.09 | jm_ | well doh ;) |
| 08:09.12 | ram_einstein | why does ppp require one |
| 08:09.21 | streuner | ram_einstein: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 08:09.34 | jm_ | because ppp was made to work over serial lines, which typically use a modem |
| 08:09.35 | Niemi | derobert only about FAT NTFS MSDOS errors |
| 08:09.39 | derobert | ram_einstein: because, normal ppp as opposed to pppoe is for dialup connections |
| 08:09.42 | nagual | im looking for a tool that will allow me to analyze text. id like to know how often words are in a body of text, anyone know a good tool for that? |
| 08:09.44 | tpwalker1980 | when setting up ip settings, what is broadcast for? |
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| 08:09.54 | derobert | Niemi: nothing about usb-storage? |
| 08:10.04 | ram_einstein | derobert, then how do I get pppoe up? |
| 08:10.15 | nn | i just installed testing, new kernel (2.6.8) hangs at boot right after "ESR value before" or something |
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| 08:10.38 | derobert | ram_einstein: I've never used pppoe, but I believe "apt-cache search pppoe" will find you some packages for that purpose. |
| 08:10.52 | ram_einstein | oh my god! is it that hard? |
| 08:10.52 | jm_ | ram_einstein: apt-get install pppoeconf |
| 08:10.53 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.54 | streuner | ram_einstein: RTFM ! :-) |
| 08:11.01 | ram_einstein | Fedora I did it in no time |
| 08:11.05 | nn | Is there a kernel option i can pass to resolve this? |
| 08:11.15 | streuner | ram_einstein: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/c1609.html |
| 08:11.16 | Niemi | derobert nothing |
| 08:11.43 | streuner | ram_einstein: what kind of modem do you have? |
| 08:11.50 | derobert | Niemi: ok, let's try this. Remove the drive, and see what errors you get from sda |
| 08:12.03 | derobert | (remove as in unplug the USB connector) |
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| 08:12.47 | _joey | how do I extract the contents of .deb package ? |
| 08:12.48 | Niemi | derobert full dmesg output http://rafb.net/paste/results/N8OLeg92.html |
| 08:12.52 | ram_einstein | and in the first time boot, the text seems wierd. I can't backspace to delete the first character in a textbox and neither can I delete a character before an '_'. Plus, when there's a list of options to select and when I scroll, the fist character of the option is stuck onto the screen |
| 08:13.02 | ram_einstein | streuner, an ADSL modem |
| 08:13.10 | derobert | _joey: man dpkg-deb |
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| 08:13.11 | nn | now begins the hell of configuring this box how i want.. for now 2.2.x *arrgh* |
| 08:13.24 | derobert | joel_: unless you mean "install", in which case man dpkg |
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| 08:13.34 | ram_einstein | that problem is really wierd, anyone else experienced it? |
| 08:13.38 | yalu | hello, I am having weird problems. about half of the internet works. heh. I can use the web from a firewalled computer, but I can't ping certain servers that I *can* ping from my firewall. |
| 08:13.46 | Delph | joel_: or if you mean 'get what was used to build it' then apt-get source... |
| 08:13.59 | derobert | yalu: check your netmask. |
| 08:14.05 | streuner | ram_einstein: what model? |
| 08:14.16 | Niemi | derobert ok http://rafb.net/paste/results/2FiLTk93.html |
| 08:14.18 | streuner | ram_einstein: USB, manufactor? |
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| 08:14.28 | ram_einstein | It's a HAUWEI |
| 08:14.31 | tpwalker1980 | in ifconfig should bcast be set to your gateway? |
| 08:14.39 | ram_einstein | no it's connected to LAN card |
| 08:14.39 | _joey | derobert thanks |
| 08:14.42 | derobert | Niemi: after the remove, what does trying to mount /dev/sda1 do? |
| 08:14.43 | yalu | derobert: on which computer, desktop or firewall? |
| 08:14.52 | derobert | yalu: the desktop |
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| 08:15.02 | derobert | yalu: not that checking it on both will hurt |
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| 08:15.29 | ram_einstein | okay, so apt, what should I specify as the source? carainly no cdrom 'cos I don't have them |
| 08:15.44 | ram_einstein | my non-existant connection eliminates http and ftp too |
| 08:16.00 | fwiw39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.02 | ram_einstein | ... shall I leave it for until I get my connection up? |
| 08:16.44 | yalu | derobert: hm, I did a quick ifup-ifdown on eth0... no success, netmask is 255.255.255.0 as it should be |
| 08:16.56 | ram_einstein | my connection btw is over telephone cables |
| 08:16.57 | derobert | fwiw39: Gaining access to the wireing closet will require either stealth and maybe a lockpick. Alternatively, taking the sysadmin out for a drink. |
| 08:17.06 | Niemi | derobert if unplugged and tryin to mount : wrong fs type, bad superblock or too many mounted file systems |
| 08:17.13 | yalu | fwiw39: axe/chainsaw for step one |
| 08:17.13 | ram_einstein | hell-o! I need help here... |
| 08:17.29 | shingouz | fwiw39: And big pliers for the second |
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| 08:18.06 | derobert | Niemi: No idea. The full dmesg definitely says its sda. The only thing I see that might be useful is line 195, Device 08:01 not ready. |
| 08:18.19 | ram_einstein | jm_, apt-get install pppoeconf was very useful! what the devil can i do without an internet connection? |
| 08:18.21 | fwiw39 | i think i can bust into the wiring closet by going over the door |
| 08:18.26 | derobert | Niemi: Have you confirmed the drive does indeed function? |
| 08:18.30 | fwiw39 | the ceiling panels come out easily |
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| 08:18.32 | streuner | ram_einstein: get a hardware-router, not that expensive nowadays and easy to use |
| 08:18.43 | fwiw39 | i think i can just go thru the ceiling panels |
| 08:18.47 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 08:18.48 | shingouz | fwiw39: Of course you can always upgrade the computers to doorstops and reboot them. |
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| 08:19.02 | derobert | yalu: ok, how is your network set up? And what server can you ping and not ping from the two hosts? |
| 08:19.07 | ram_einstein | why streuner? my connection works perfectly on windoz (shudder) and Fedora Core 3 |
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| 08:19.19 | fwiw39 | do i even need to breach the wiring closet? |
| 08:19.19 | ram_einstein | without a single problem or third party software |
| 08:19.39 | fwiw39 | i mean...i listen to the network traffic and there are several hosts running IP scans |
| 08:19.39 | derobert | fwiw39: well, you can unplug the ptp-ers that are hogging the bandwidth there. |
| 08:19.42 | fwiw39 | should i just disable them |
| 08:19.48 | streuner | ram_einstein: no additional driver needed in FC3? |
| 08:19.51 | ram_einstein | derobert, same problem with your suggestion, nodebian |
| 08:19.52 | fwiw39 | with DoS? |
| 08:19.55 | ram_einstein | no streuner |
| 08:20.03 | ram_einstein | just click and connect |
| 08:20.06 | ram_einstein | FC3 rocks |
| 08:20.11 | streuner | ram_einstein: so it should just work in debian then (TM) |
| 08:20.14 | shingouz | fwiw39: If you choose to upgrade the computers, no. You only need access to the network and a lot of knowledge about cracking windows computers |
| 08:20.18 | fwiw39 | i don't want to unplug anyone...just QoS their ass |
| 08:20.23 | ram_einstein | yeah sure |
| 08:20.24 | yalu | derobert: software firewall running Debian, desktop running Debian, firewall rules are the same for months, I can surf to eg www.google.be but I can't ping the site from my desktop o_O |
| 08:20.32 | ram_einstein | I'm having second thoughts about Debian |
| 08:20.44 | derobert | fwiw39: I seem to just believe in a more extreme form of QOS. |
| 08:20.44 | ram_einstein | someone here recommended it so I got it |
| 08:20.49 | ram_einstein | now it seems useless |
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| 08:21.04 | derobert | yalu: ok... how far does traceroute get from each? |
| 08:21.21 | derobert | yalu: and are your running NAT, or do you have routable IPs behind your firewall? |
| 08:21.30 | yalu | derobert: one step, to the firewall |
| 08:21.34 | yalu | I'm running NAT |
| 08:21.34 | fwiw39 | cracking windows computers. |
| 08:21.38 | fwiw39 | rotfl |
| 08:21.39 | cafuego | ram_einstein: What were you planning on using it for? |
| 08:21.40 | Niemi | derobert yep, on windows OS it works |
| 08:21.47 | ram_einstein | here's what I did on FC3: *click* system tools *click* net config wizard* adsl *click* username *click* password *connect* |
| 08:21.50 | streuner | ram_einstein: i've found none entries in whole usenet for that modem and debian, so it seems very easy to use |
| 08:21.52 | yalu | but WHY does ping work and tcp does? :-s |
| 08:21.59 | ram_einstein | cafuego, generally |
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| 08:22.04 | fwiw39 | i can't believe i need to crack some windoze p2p zombies just so i can use the internet decently |
| 08:22.07 | derobert | Niemi: I think you've found a kernel issue, then. You could try a newer kernel from kernel.org |
| 08:22.16 | cafuego | ram_einstein: Oh, yeah. How did you upgrade FC2 to FC3? |
| 08:22.21 | fwiw39 | i mean...isn't that the network admin's job? |
| 08:22.27 | streuner | !info pppoeconfig |
| 08:22.28 | ram_einstein | no cafuego FC3 directly |
| 08:22.30 | yalu | derobert: oh, wait, forgot. I am also using a proxy server |
| 08:22.34 | fwiw39 | why musti take on this vigilante role? |
| 08:22.38 | cafuego | ram_einstein: My point exactly. |
| 08:22.39 | shingouz | fwiw39: The legal (and therefore the best route) would be to contact the admins |
| 08:22.39 | ram_einstein | !pppoeconfig |
| 08:22.39 | yalu | which explains why webbing works |
| 08:22.40 | Niemi | derobert a'm a newbie, but try do that |
| 08:22.43 | derobert | yalu: ok, check your nat config |
| 08:22.50 | ram_einstein | what cafuego? |
| 08:22.51 | yalu | definitely |
| 08:22.59 | cafuego | ram_einstein: Debian is a bit harder to set up (for some) but _by far_ easier to maintain. |
| 08:23.00 | fwiw39 | shingouz: the admin is lazy and incompentent |
| 08:23.08 | fwiw39 | shingouz: incompetent. lol |
| 08:23.08 | derobert | yalu: you might want to make sure you have IP forwarding on, btw. |
| 08:23.10 | streuner | !info pppoeconf |
| 08:23.15 | dpkg | pppoeconf: (configures PPPoE/ADSL connections), section net, is optional. Version: 1.7 (sid), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 08:23.15 | cafuego | ram_einstein: You can run 'pppoeconf' on debian to set up pppoe. |
| 08:23.16 | ram_einstein | I doubt it cafuego but if you say so |
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| 08:23.28 | shingouz | fwiw39: Maybe bitching to his boss would do the trick? |
| 08:23.30 | ram_einstein | yeah cafuego but inly if I have it |
| 08:23.33 | fwiw39 | shingouz: he takes MONTHS to get around to taking action on a request, and usually does it wrong |
| 08:23.35 | cafuego | ram_einstein: I've formed that opinion after using Linux for about 10 years. |
| 08:23.38 | ram_einstein | does it come on cd1? |
| 08:23.44 | fwiw39 | shingouz: his boss doesn't know anything about computers |
| 08:23.45 | Niemi | derobert thaks for your help |
| 08:23.48 | cafuego | ram_einstein: Did you get woody or sarge? |
| 08:23.52 | ram_einstein | sarge |
| 08:23.55 | fwiw39 | shingouz: the apartment network is mostly used by undergraduate students |
| 08:24.00 | shingouz | fwiw39: Hmmm... :( |
| 08:24.00 | cafuego | ram_einstein: Then it should be there, yes. |
| 08:24.01 | ram_einstein | someone here again told me |
| 08:24.02 | fwiw39 | shingouz: about 400 hosts |
| 08:24.08 | fwiw39 | shingouz: sharing four t1 lines |
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| 08:24.17 | cafuego | ram_einstein: 'apt-get install pppoeconf' |
| 08:24.18 | ram_einstein | okay cafuego, so I restart and quit all config |
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| 08:24.28 | streuner | ram_einstein: get pppoeconf and pppoe |
| 08:24.30 | fwiw39 | shingouz: it's like a p2p HELL in here. i can't get a decent ping to play counterstrike lol |
| 08:24.36 | groton | hello all. I wrote my first .Xsession file. I just would like to know which should be the last command i have to write inside that file. it should be sth such as "exec "something". how do i discover what "something" is? :) |
| 08:24.44 | shingouz | fwiw39: Man in the middle and firewall all p2p out? |
| 08:24.52 | ram_einstein | okay streuner |
| 08:25.03 | streuner | ram_einstein: over pdo (packages.debian.org) |
| 08:25.12 | fwiw39 | shingouz: too difficult |
| 08:25.21 | fwiw39 | shingouz: i just want to hang the zombies |
| 08:25.22 | streuner | !depends pppoeconf |
| 08:25.22 | mwilson | groton: "discover"? It's whatever you want it to be. |
| 08:25.27 | dpkg | pppoeconf: depends on whiptail-provider | whiptail, ppp (>= 2.4.2+20040428-2) | pppoe (>= 3.0), ppp (>= 2.4.1.uus2-4), gettext-base (>= 0.13), sed (>= 3.95) |
| 08:25.30 | shingouz | fwiw39: Sledgehammer and cutters? |
| 08:25.37 | groton | mwilson, i would like to preserve the one i'm actually using. |
| 08:25.46 | ram_einstein | one sec transgress |
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| 08:25.51 | fwiw39 | shingouz: i'm not violent |
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| 08:25.53 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 08:25.54 | mwilson | groton: Then do so. |
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| 08:25.56 | ram_einstein | sorry one sec streuner |
| 08:26.17 | cafuego | ram_einstein: normally a sarge install would also install pppoe on the base system. |
| 08:26.21 | shingouz | fwiw39: Not on the mofos but open the door with the sledgehammer and use the cutters to "modify" their cables |
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| 08:26.35 | Niemi | bye bye all |
| 08:26.39 | groton | mwilson, sorry, but i do not know the name of my wmanager. maybe it is kwin, but i have no proof at all of it. |
| 08:26.40 | fwiw39 | i'm trying to locate the wiring closet in our apartment complex. are floorplans of such buildings made public....e.g., could i access the floorplan at a public libraryY!? |
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| 08:27.28 | derobert | fwiw39: that probably depends on your locality. But usually wireing closets aren't hidden. |
| 08:27.51 | shingouz | fwiw39: I cannot give you an answer to the question you are asking to tell you the truth. There are ways to do what you want to do but all of them are illegal unless you have legit access to the equipment. |
| 08:28.14 | fwiw39 | :) |
| 08:28.26 | shingouz | fwiw39: The project does sound like fun though ;) |
| 08:28.31 | holycow | *hmm* what is the command that shows all the user accounts and groups on a system? i'm googling zilch on this |
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| 08:29.07 | streuner | holycow: groups for the second question |
| 08:29.10 | shingouz | fwiw39: Personally I just might upgrade their computers to doorstops and be done with it. |
| 08:29.11 | fwiw39 | Well, gentlemen, p2p is a growing problem in today's computing. Useful internet activity is taking a backseat to p2p traffic on many networks that have neglected to implement QoS |
| 08:29.18 | holycow | streuner, oh danke |
| 08:29.22 | jm_ | holycow: getent passwd ; getent groups |
| 08:29.29 | cafuego | holycow: getent |
| 08:29.29 | fwiw39 | lol shin |
| 08:29.39 | fwiw39 | just need to hang them |
| 08:29.40 | jm_ | group, not groups |
| 08:29.42 | derobert | fwiw39: no, many networks have failed to implement proper bandwidth. |
| 08:29.51 | cafuego | holycow: 'cat /etc/passwd /etc/group' works too. |
| 08:29.51 | holycow | oh! |
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| 08:29.53 | holycow | danke :) |
| 08:29.55 | shingouz | fwiw39: I would make them nuke and pave |
| 08:29.57 | holycow | haha thats cool |
| 08:29.58 | fwiw39 | derobert: i think our bandwidth is fine...our latency just sucks |
| 08:30.08 | holycow | appreciate it that, obviously googling the wrong thing |
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| 08:30.10 | holycow | danke |
| 08:30.10 | Guerin | derobert: heh |
| 08:30.14 | derobert | fwiw39: if you're having huge queues, you do not have proper bandwidth. |
| 08:30.20 | ram_einstein | sorry cafuego |
| 08:30.24 | ram_einstein | I'm back |
| 08:30.40 | Guerin | derobert: itym 'many countries have failed to implement proper telecommunications infrastructures' |
| 08:30.42 | fwiw39 | derobert: well...the network consists of 4 T1s servicing about 400 hosts |
| 08:30.59 | ram_einstein | cafuego, I have to install pppoeconf right? |
| 08:31.00 | fwiw39 | most of the hosts are undergraduate student computers running p2p and porn |
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| 08:31.03 | ram_einstein | with apt? |
| 08:31.06 | Guerin | fwiw39: i have a home internet connection faster than that all to myself |
| 08:31.08 | derobert | fwiw39: No doubt those 400 hosts are on fast connections, like 100mbps ethernet. That is not proper bandwidth. |
| 08:31.15 | ram_einstein | apt will draw from internet right? |
| 08:31.17 | Clara | haaaalllooooooooooo |
| 08:31.17 | streuner | ram_einstein: dpkg |
| 08:31.18 | ericb_ | eistein left his wife and children to be with his cousin, then his son later in life went madd |
| 08:31.25 | streuner | ram_einstein: dpkg -i pppoeconfig |
| 08:31.34 | ram_einstein | equivalent of rpm streuner ? |
| 08:31.35 | Clara | are u speaking english? |
| 08:31.35 | shingouz | Clara: Yes, we saw you enter |
| 08:31.47 | jm_ | Clara: what does it look like? |
| 08:31.50 | streuner | ram_einstein: no, better |
| 08:31.55 | fwiw39 | derobert: so what is the proper bandwidth for those hosts? the apartment complex was built in mid 1990s and they put in ethernet lines for each apartment, but everyone abuses the internet |
| 08:31.55 | Guerin | Clara: are YOU? |
| 08:32.02 | Clara | really? :-( |
| 08:32.12 | streuner | ram_einstein: ;-) |
| 08:32.28 | derobert | fwiw39: well, you need to either (a) rate-limit everyone to a reasonable amount or (b) buy a frac-T3 |
| 08:32.40 | Clara | alaea iacte est |
| 08:32.42 | streuner | ram_einstein: apt-get manage to get those packages to your system, dpkg manipulate and install those packages |
| 08:32.47 | ram_einstein | okay, so I quit the first boot config and go straight at debian |
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| 08:32.51 | tpwalker1980 | is there anyway to configure ip settings via gui? |
| 08:32.51 | einsteinmg | fwiw39: hmm... we have 150Mbit for a few k stundents |
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| 08:32.59 | jm_ | tpwalker1980: use etherconf |
| 08:33.05 | shingouz | Clara: Ok, so the dice has been tossed. Now what? ;) |
| 08:33.14 | ram_einstein | and dpkg install ppoeconfig |
| 08:33.17 | Clara | can u spek latin...........:-) |
| 08:33.18 | streuner | ram_einstein: prolly you have to solve the depends, just get the packages over pdo |
| 08:33.33 | ram_einstein | thats okay streuner |
| 08:33.33 | streuner | !depends pppoeconf |
| 08:33.38 | ericb_ | tpwalker1980, doing it on the command is so easy but you can do it on gui, but no guarantees |
| 08:33.38 | tpwalker1980 | thnx jm, i'll look into etherconf |
| 08:33.39 | dpkg | pppoeconf: depends on whiptail-provider | whiptail, ppp (>= 2.4.2+20040428-2) | pppoe (>= 3.0), ppp (>= 2.4.1.uus2-4), gettext-base (>= 0.13), sed (>= 3.95) |
| 08:33.43 | Clara | lalelu |
| 08:33.44 | ram_einstein | I'll go strainght at it |
| 08:33.51 | einsteinmg | fwiw39: in our network there is a transverlimit of 15GB/month, since then the connection is very speedy :) |
| 08:33.56 | Clara | bye bye |
| 08:33.57 | ram_einstein | I need pppoe too |
| 08:33.58 | streuner | ram_einstein: that's all described in pdo... |
| 08:33.59 | ram_einstein | okay |
| 08:34.09 | ram_einstein | thanks a lot streuner |
| 08:34.13 | streuner | np |
| 08:34.14 | ram_einstein | I'll come back |
| 08:34.24 | derobert | einsteinmg: 15GB/mo? How much do they charge for that? |
| 08:34.29 | Shadur | Was that a threat or a promise? |
| 08:34.35 | einsteinmg | derobert: nothing |
| 08:34.44 | derobert | einsteinmg: can you pay more for more GB? |
| 08:34.47 | shingouz | Shadur: Sounded like a threat |
| 08:34.50 | fwiw39 | check this out: "ping www.mit.edu ... Minimum = 173ms, Maximum = 304ms, Average = 233ms" |
| 08:34.55 | fwiw39 | is that pathetic or what!??! |
| 08:35.00 | derobert | einsteinmg: (and nothing isn't a real answer, btw. You pay one way or another) |
| 08:35.15 | shingouz | fwiw39: I get better pings on my gprs from the other side of the planet |
| 08:35.29 | fwiw39 | shall i run a traceroute? |
| 08:35.43 | shingouz | fwiw39: Don't bother. The network sucks |
| 08:36.30 | einsteinmg | derobert: nope if you need more than you need to speak to the networkadministrators ;) |
| 08:36.46 | fwiw39 | traceroute: "<1 ms to my router / 315 ms to the gateway / 269 ms to the local qwest line" |
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| 08:36.58 | fwiw39 | is my network having multiple problems? |
| 08:37.00 | einsteinmg | 130Mbit/s p2p traffic 24/7 is no funny :( |
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| 08:37.42 | Guerin | ffs |
| 08:38.00 | ericb_ | Is anyone willing to walk me through setting up gmail on Linux using a mail client. I installed postfix, fetchmail, and mutt. |
| 08:38.05 | Guerin | i did over 100 gigabytes in outbound torrent seeds over the weekend |
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| 08:38.20 | fwiw39 | isn't gmail a web based email from google? |
| 08:38.25 | jm_ | Guerin: that's insane |
| 08:38.36 | ericb_ | yeah, but I wanted to use a mail client with pop3 |
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| 08:38.52 | streuner | bah, only 100 Gigs :-)) |
| 08:38.58 | Guerin | i have a 100 megabit full-dup home internet connection which costs me a shade under US$30/month, unmetered, unmasked, no useful ports blocked |
| 08:39.07 | ericb_ | cause my system is slow and I use dillo for browsing, cause galeon and mozilla are so slow |
| 08:39.14 | SlayerXP | Guerin: I have a big stick with nails in. come here. |
| 08:39.15 | derobert | Guerin: where the fuck did you get that? |
| 08:39.25 | derobert | Guerin: even *cogent* is $10/meg |
| 08:39.27 | Guerin | if it can be done here, it can be done up and down the east coast of the US, surely. |
| 08:39.33 | jm_ | and there was me, running it for 48h to upload mere 3.2G |
| 08:39.33 | Guerin | derobert: i'm in SOuth Korea |
| 08:39.37 | cast | fwiw39: it sure is, with pop3 |
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| 08:40.08 | derobert | Guerin: wow, they must not make any money on that. Especially with PTP. |
| 08:40.13 | fwiw39 | lol guerin |
| 08:40.24 | ericb_ | cast, have you set it up, cause my system runs galeon or mozilla really poorly, I thought if I setup with pop3 it would be better |
| 08:40.24 | PerfDave | sussudio: Plug it in. Mount stuff. |
| 08:40.29 | Guerin | derobert: well, I don't know. It's a really, really crowded market. |
| 08:40.33 | sussudio | PerfDave: it gives up after the first port |
| 08:40.37 | derobert | sussudio: well, my 2-in-one shows up as 2 SCSI devices.... |
| 08:40.46 | Guerin | derobert: but basically everyone has a connection faster than 10 megabit in this country. |
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| 08:41.00 | jm_ | sussudio: haven't worked with it yet, maybe you need the SCAN all LUN-s kernel option? |
| 08:41.11 | sussudio | :-\ |
| 08:41.15 | sussudio | meh. |
| 08:41.15 | derobert | jm_: yes, you need that. |
| 08:41.18 | PerfDave | sussudio: Strange, mine just shows up as /dev/sd[a-d] when I plug it in. |
| 08:41.23 | unixcoder | hi what is the command with chnaserv for forward my channel to another channel?? |
| 08:41.39 | fwiw39 | YO - IS ALL This linux stuff just a waste of time? isn't it easier to just buy a mac and plug it in? |
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| 08:41.46 | Guerin | fwiw39: no. |
| 08:41.59 | ircdevil | fwiw39: yes, it is easier |
| 08:42.02 | ericb_ | If I use apt-get remove package. It just removes the package but doesn't purge the config files. Is that correct? How to remove and purge? |
| 08:42.13 | derobert | fwiw39: yes, it is. Its even easier to not own a computer. |
| 08:42.18 | fwiw39 | lol dero |
| 08:42.25 | derobert | ericb_: man apt-get |
| 08:42.27 | ircdevil | fwiw39: linux is hard. it was never supposed to be easy |
| 08:42.28 | fwiw39 | i need a computer to do school work, play games and get porn |
| 08:42.40 | fwiw39 | it's that simple |
| 08:42.41 | shingouz | fwiw39: On p2p? |
| 08:42.43 | ericb_ | derobert, I am, you should shut up if you don't wanna help |
| 08:42.48 | fwiw39 | no, i don't use p2p |
| 08:42.48 | petemc | ircdevil: it is? |
| 08:42.53 | ircdevil | fwiw39: play games -> winblows |
| 08:42.57 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 08:43.01 | TinoW | fwiw39: apt-get fetch porn? ;) |
| 08:43.09 | hexxeh|work | !porn-get |
| 08:43.09 | dpkg | it has been said that porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 08:43.11 | derobert | ericb_: No, apt-get's man page clearly documents an option to do what you want. |
| 08:43.12 | PerfDave | fwiw39: I find Linux easier to install and use than a Mac. |
| 08:43.15 | cast | fwiw39: when you uh...take a complicated course in uni you'll really sit glad you know how to code etc.. :> |
| 08:43.16 | ircdevil | petemc: pretty sure i was explained that several times. ask mwilson :o) |
| 08:43.20 | shingouz | TinoW: apt-get install pr0n. man apt-get ;) |
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| 08:44.00 | ram_einstein | what the devil? doesn't sarge cd 1 have a gui!? |
| 08:44.12 | rixth | My Firefox SegFaults when I goto www.pricespy.co.nz and click "Graphics" can anyone else confirm this? |
| 08:44.21 | petemc | ircdevil: and theres me thinking it was just a tool to allow you to get stuff done |
| 08:44.25 | tpwalker1980 | heh <-- newb once you have a .deb file, how do you install it |
| 08:44.29 | streuner | ram_einstein: if you refering to GNOME or KDE - sure |
| 08:44.29 | ram_einstein | I logged into my user and startx'ed |
| 08:44.39 | shingouz | ram_einstein: Does it look like it has one unless you install one? |
| 08:44.45 | ram_einstein | streuner, yes, where is it |
| 08:44.48 | holycow | rixth, works fine here |
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| 08:44.55 | ircdevil | petemc: an excellent tool - but not easy the same way as mac or winblows ignorants see stuff as easy. |
| 08:45.00 | streuner | ram_einstein: apt-get install gnome (kde) |
| 08:45.02 | rixth | Hmmm. reinstall it is then. |
| 08:45.04 | ram_einstein | oh god! what do I do from console |
| 08:45.13 | ram_einstein | apt-get installinstalls from cd? |
| 08:45.13 | fwiw39 | i'm not in the computer profession...i'm in the food science profession...so how would it benefit me to learning linux? |
| 08:45.21 | fwiw39 | i don't even need to code or hack |
| 08:45.27 | cast | fwiw39: im not in the computer profession either, :> |
| 08:45.29 | ircdevil | ram_einstein: console is good. what do you want to do? |
| 08:45.30 | fwiw39 | i analyze food safety and quality |
| 08:45.33 | petemc | ircdevil: i guess we'll have to agree to disagree |
| 08:45.34 | ram_einstein | my God! I have to install each and every package? |
| 08:45.36 | fwiw39 | cast: what profession? |
| 08:45.38 | streuner | ram_einstein: apt-get isn't care, it downloads from i-net or from media |
| 08:45.41 | cast | civil eng |
| 08:45.47 | fwiw39 | well, you're an engineer |
| 08:45.49 | ircdevil | petemc: purrrfectly ok |
| 08:45.52 | cast | uh, not that im in that profession, yet |
| 08:45.54 | ram_einstein | can you give me an essential list? |
| 08:45.55 | fwiw39 | linux is good for engineers |
| 08:46.09 | fwiw39 | linux is not necessary for food scientists |
| 08:46.10 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 08:46.13 | holycow | fwiw39, the immediate benefit of FREE SOFTWARE is freedom, not as in free beer but as in free speech |
| 08:46.14 | ram_einstein | how can I list packages also... |
| 08:46.18 | shingouz | ram_einstein: What do you want to install |
| 08:46.30 | cast | linux is just some kernel, i dont much give a toss what kernel i use :> |
| 08:46.33 | ircdevil | !free beer |
| 08:46.37 | streuner | ram_einstein: no - base system is install, that's pretty essential, what you need to install is up to yourself |
| 08:46.43 | ram_einstein | a basic debian box will do fine with firefox thunderbird an irc client |
| 08:46.52 | streuner | s/install/installed/ |
| 08:46.52 | holycow | fwiw39, i realize most people don't value this much, but after you have worked on a linux machine to do most of your work, you will very quickly learn to value it |
| 08:46.52 | fwiw39 | holycow: so why can't linux be easier to use like windows...but still come open source/free? |
| 08:47.02 | holycow | fwiw39, what happens is that going back to windows is excrutiatingly painfull |
| 08:47.09 | streuner | ram_einstein: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:47.15 | PerfDave | fwiw39: Linux is easier to use than Windows :) |
| 08:47.15 | fwiw39 | holy: i dont mind the blue screen of death every once in a while |
| 08:47.19 | holycow | fwiw39, well depends what you mean by easy, i personally find debian far easier than windows |
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| 08:47.41 | holycow | fwiw39, i personally find the billions of popups for everything, non standard file system, crappy gui confusing as hell |
| 08:47.41 | ram_einstein | oh dpkg is on this channel too? |
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| 08:47.44 | krystalino | has anyone here sucess with quickcam messenger ? |
| 08:47.51 | ericb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.51 | ram_einstein | and why is it taking so long? |
| 08:47.53 | krystalino | a logitech webcam |
| 08:47.54 | fwiw39 | holycow: well...i'm trying to set up iptables-firewall script for debian right now...it's more difficult than loading up zonealarm on windows |
| 08:47.56 | TinoW | fwiw39: what is not easy with linux? |
| 08:47.59 | holycow | fwiw39, i can't even find my way around windows xp any more without restoring it to the classic gui |
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| 08:48.07 | petemc | fwiw39: its a lot more powerful too |
| 08:48.08 | hexxeh|work | installing software, keeping up to date, and maintaining a debian system is far easier than windows. in my experience anyway |
| 08:48.11 | shingouz | !tell ram_einstein about search |
| 08:48.11 | simonrvn | ram_einstein: did it work? |
| 08:48.17 | ram_einstein | yeah |
| 08:48.18 | rixth | How can I force apt to download from the net, not off CD? |
| 08:48.19 | holycow | fwiw39, zonealarm is not a real firewall, it is a userspace 'firewall' |
| 08:48.21 | simonrvn | good |
| 08:48.25 | holycow | fwiw39, bypassing zonealarm is trivial |
| 08:48.26 | TinoW | hexxeh|work: and debug problems |
| 08:48.27 | ericb_ | or did I just keep my machine on too long, should have shut it down nightly or something |
| 08:48.45 | ram_einstein | !search firefox |
| 08:48.47 | fwiw39 | holycow: so why is a simple iptables-firewall script from arno so difficult to install? |
| 08:48.53 | holycow | fwiw39, what you are setting up there is a 'real' industrial grade firewall, its what people used to pay 10's of thousands of dollars in the 90's to purchase |
| 08:48.57 | streuner | rixth: comment the entries in sources.list (apt-cdrom) |
| 08:49.04 | holycow | fwiw39, well you are using the wrong one then |
| 08:49.09 | ericb_ | y |
| 08:49.09 | PerfDave | holycow: It's what people still pay tens of thousands of dollars for :) |
| 08:49.14 | ircdevil | fwiw39: apt-get install firestarter -> plain as tiny |
| 08:49.15 | petemc | fwiw39: firstly, why do you need to "install" a script? |
| 08:49.15 | shingouz | ram_einstein: Did you even read the factoid dpkg sent you? |
| 08:49.19 | streuner | ram_einstein: /msg dpkg find foo |
| 08:49.22 | rixth | streuner, thanks |
| 08:49.24 | fwiw39 | holycow: http://rocky.molphys.leidenuniv.nl/ <- arno's iptables-firewalls script |
| 08:49.25 | holycow | try installing something something closer to your skill level, such as firestarter |
| 08:49.29 | holycow | apt-get install firestarter |
| 08:49.34 | ram_einstein | thanks |
| 08:49.40 | fatal_ | fwiw39: this gives you a similar firewalling as windows: iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT ; iptables -P INPUT DROP |
| 08:49.41 | holycow | fwiw39, your out of your league on that one, try something simpler like firestarter |
| 08:49.43 | TinoW | fwiw39: for what do you need a firewall anyway? |
| 08:49.44 | ericb_ | If I do apt-get remove filename, is there anything else I must do to completely remove the file, cause it still shows up in aptitude |
| 08:49.49 | ircdevil | ... and move to shorewall in due time :o) |
| 08:49.52 | ram_einstein | oh man, it gives me a long list |
| 08:49.54 | holycow | fwiw39, firestarter is just a frontend for newbs for iptables, very easy to use |
| 08:49.58 | holycow | PerfDave, indeedy :) |
| 08:50.15 | fwiw39 | holy: i want to use iptables on my host, then eventually use iptables in a linux router box to run QoS on my roommates...their p2p is eating up our network resources |
| 08:50.21 | ram_einstein | isn't there a debian that just installs standard packages to get newbies started? |
| 08:50.24 | cafuego | !basic firewall |
| 08:50.24 | dpkg | somebody said basic firewall was iptables -F INPUT; iptables -P INPUT DROP; iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT; iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT; iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW [-i interface] -p [tcp/udp] --dport [port] -j ACCEPT # Repeat for all ports you want open |
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| 08:50.26 | ircdevil | ericb_: man apt-get. pay attention to purge |
| 08:50.37 | TinoW | fwiw39: ok, QoS makes sense |
| 08:50.40 | shingouz | ram_einstein: You install gnome and it installs X and a shitload of other things. |
| 08:50.40 | holycow | fwiw39, firewallin is not trivial, there are people that just do that for a living |
| 08:50.47 | ericb_ | ircdevil, ok, thx |
| 08:50.54 | ram_einstein | okay shiner840_Away |
| 08:50.55 | holycow | fwiw39, if you need industrial grade firewall its generally cheaper to buy a device just for that |
| 08:50.58 | streuner | rixth: btw, apt-get uses those sources which are the best, if you have those debs on the media (LAN, CDROM), just use that then |
| 08:51.05 | cafuego | holycow: But mainly on the shitty IOS platform, which makes it harder than it needs to be. |
| 08:51.08 | ram_einstein | okay shingouz I'd better watch my nicks |
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| 08:51.16 | ram_einstein | thanks all! |
| 08:51.22 | shingouz | ram_einstein: Have you checked the install manual already? |
| 08:51.25 | paines | what do I have to add to my sources.list so that I can do apt-get install gnome -t experimental ? |
| 08:51.28 | simonrvn | cafuego: no kidding. QED quagga |
| 08:51.29 | holycow | fwiw39, in other words, no one in their right mind uses zonealarm for what you are doing, therefore expecting something similar on linux is the wrong perspective to take |
| 08:51.30 | rixth | streuner, it's searching for my CDrom at /media/cdrom but its at /media/cdrecorder |
| 08:51.38 | ram_einstein | no shingouz |
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| 08:51.44 | fwiw39 | holy: lol holy...why would i spend $40 on linksys router to hack with sveasoft...when i can use a more powerful linux box with iptables? |
| 08:51.47 | ram_einstein | on debian.org? |
| 08:51.53 | ram_einstein | it only has one for woody |
| 08:51.59 | ram_einstein | nothing for sarge |
| 08:52.00 | streuner | rixth: edit /etc/fstab |
| 08:52.04 | holycow | fwiw39, because then you wont be in here complaining about installing an INDUSTRIAL GRADE firewall |
| 08:52.05 | fatal_ | holycow: and never to forget... firewalls don't add security.... they are a fallback for when everything else fails. |
| 08:52.12 | shingouz | !tell ram_einstein about d-i |
| 08:52.20 | holycow | fwiw39, you either have the skills or you don't, but don't complain about having to get the skills to do what you are doing |
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| 08:52.23 | fwiw39 | holy: i understand that zonealarm cannot shape traffic and run NAT for multiple hosts...that's why i'm turning to iptables in linux to achieve my goals |
| 08:52.31 | ram_einstein | great, how do I get it? |
| 08:52.32 | holycow | fwiw39, what fatal_ said |
| 08:52.41 | TinoW | fwiw39: because the linksys router already uses BSD afaic and does not consume so much power like a workstation :) |
| 08:52.51 | rixth | When is Firefox 1.0.3 to be packaged? |
| 08:52.59 | fwiw39 | lol :) |
| 08:53.01 | ram_einstein | no I mean to install my sarge |
| 08:53.03 | snail_ | ram_einstein: google is your friens |
| 08:53.05 | holycow | fwiw39, k. remember, you are now LEARNING. you need to actually GAIN SKILLS to really do what you want to do. ITS HIGHLY NON TRIVIAL. |
| 08:53.07 | snail_ | ram_einstein: google is your friend even |
| 08:53.09 | streuner | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
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| 08:53.10 | shingouz | ram_einstein: Huh? How do you download stuff in the first place |
| 08:53.12 | hexxeh|work | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 08:53.17 | hexxeh|work | damn j00 streuner |
| 08:53.21 | ircdevil | rixth: check apt-get.org |
| 08:53.22 | holycow | fwiw39, therefore, its not easy, and never will be |
| 08:53.23 | ram_einstein | "Installing sarge with the Debian-Installer" |
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| 08:53.26 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
| 08:53.29 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24368 kB |
| 08:53.32 | streuner | hexxeh|work: :-P |
| 08:53.32 | ram_einstein | thats what I downloaded and burnt |
| 08:53.39 | hexxeh|work | rixth, ^^ |
| 08:53.40 | fwiw39 | holy: yes i am young padawan...i want to learn iptables...but i feel i must start with a script such as arno's iptables-firewall script to get me started |
| 08:53.45 | ram_einstein | and get me an irc client... |
| 08:53.45 | simonrvn | burned |
| 08:53.49 | TinoW | ram_einstein: why did you burn it? |
| 08:54.02 | ram_einstein | the cd1 to install TinoW! |
| 08:54.04 | ircdevil | !tell fwiw39 about shorewall |
| 08:54.13 | holycow | fwiw39, :) there we go, attitude adjustment complete, hehe! no seriously, take your time, there are lots of ways to learn |
| 08:54.13 | TinoW | ram_einstein: ah I see |
| 08:54.13 | ram_einstein | lol |
| 08:54.13 | rixth | hexxeh|work, whoops, thought I twas in Ubuntu ^_^ |
| 08:54.31 | liable | anyone know a work around for no carrier error with wvdial going through a pabx |
| 08:54.32 | fatal_ | I just called FortiNet to ask for the source they've promised to release.... He said he'd call back when he knew all the details... I wonder if he'll ever call me back... :P |
| 08:54.34 | ram_einstein | apt-get install what for irc client? |
| 08:54.35 | holycow | fwiw39, think of linux concepts like a rubics cube, you need to look at the problem from many angles before you gain 'jedi' status |
| 08:54.38 | ericb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.39 | ram_einstein | xchat? |
| 08:54.39 | TinoW | ram_einstein: I always use the netinstaller which is much smaller ;) |
| 08:54.52 | fatal_ | btw, FortiNet is an easy to use linux firewall.. :) |
| 08:54.56 | ram_einstein | okay TinoW |
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| 08:55.01 | TinoW | ram_einstein: yes, xchat is fine |
| 08:55.07 | fatal_ | err.. FortiNet has an easy to use firewall called FortiGate. |
| 08:55.09 | ram_einstein | thanks all |
| 08:55.10 | streuner | ericb_: man foo | grep search-string |
| 08:55.11 | ericb_ | xchat is my fav |
| 08:55.14 | ram_einstein | I'll set up now |
| 08:55.20 | ericb_ | streuner, you are a cool dude |
| 08:55.27 | shingouz | ram_einstein: Install whatever irc client you want, it is up to you. If you want to have a linux distro you do not have to make any choices on get somethign like Knoppix or Linspire ffs |
| 08:55.29 | fwiw39 | holy: but how to learn firewalls and hardening while avoiding getting hacked? it is like a young tiger cub trying to survive alone in the african jungles |
| 08:55.44 | fwiw39 | surrounded by large beasts of prey |
| 08:55.50 | shingouz | !tell fwiw39 about nicktab |
| 08:55.50 | ircdevil | !security howto |
| 08:55.56 | rixth | What the hell. OO.o was segfaulting, then Firefox, now Gaim. Whats up |
| 08:55.58 | PerfDave | fwiw39: And yet, many tiger cubs survive :) |
| 08:56.02 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 08:56.06 | colk | I just realize I have to clean my car tommorw |
| 08:56.08 | fatal_ | rixth: broken memory? |
| 08:56.10 | ericb_ | I'd say that xchat is most easiest to use, and most like mirx |
| 08:56.13 | colk | and I have 2 trips to the airport |
| 08:56.14 | ericb_ | mirc |
| 08:56.20 | colk | coming up this week |
| 08:56.20 | streuner | ericb_: 50 bucks to my PayPal account :-P |
| 08:56.20 | ircdevil | fwiw39: there exists a security howto at www.tldp.org -> go read |
| 08:56.23 | holycow | fwiw39, i'm not sure how most firewall 'experts' become expert |
| 08:56.24 | rixth | fatal_, I sure hope not! I'll run the mem test. |
| 08:56.37 | shingouz | ericb_: You really think that people here like mIRC? |
| 08:56.42 | ericb_ | streuner, If I were a man of money |
| 08:56.44 | colk | probly trail by fire |
| 08:56.48 | colk | or they are lying |
| 08:56.53 | ericb_ | shingouz, No |
| 08:56.56 | streuner | ericb_: :-) |
| 08:56.58 | shingouz | good |
| 08:57.00 | ericb_ | But its easy to use |
| 08:57.04 | shingouz | b/s |
| 08:57.09 | holycow | fwiw39, my guess is that most firewalling 'experts' are not really expert at all, mostly experienced users that view security as a 'process' and take precautions to monitor their systems, and logs and so forth in an active manner |
| 08:57.21 | colk | i ended up keeping xchat even on windows |
| 08:57.28 | colk | I liked it so much |
| 08:57.28 | liable | any idea of the best place to ask about wvdial? |
| 08:57.28 | Guerin | xchat is arse |
| 08:57.30 | fwiw39 | ah yes, i have been to tldp.org, yes. |
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| 08:57.43 | ericb_ | streuner, since my windows media machine went capoots I am using Pentium 1 MMX, lord have mercy |
| 08:58.11 | shingouz | liable: Nope, ask here and see if someone knows something |
| 08:58.21 | streuner | ericb_: i know this pain too, its terrible :-) |
| 08:58.27 | fwiw39 | someone i will revert to using my original 8088 with 4.33 MHz processor...if it is being hacked or commandeered by malware, i'll know...because the system will SLOW DOWN |
| 08:58.27 | ericb_ | lol |
| 08:58.33 | fwiw39 | someday i will revert... |
| 08:58.36 | tpwalker1980 | alirght, I have etherconf on a floppy, figured out that I need to use dpkg -i to install it... but I don't know what dir my floppy drive is considered |
| 08:58.45 | holycow | heh |
| 08:58.52 | fwiw39 | i will do all my important work on an 8088 |
| 08:58.52 | fatal_ | tpwalker1980: /dev/fd0 |
| 08:59.00 | tpwalker1980 | heh thnx guys |
| 08:59.09 | fwiw39 | and do all my gaming and porn on new equipment |
| 08:59.11 | tpwalker1980 | guess you gotta start somewhere though |
| 08:59.13 | poli | fwiw39, with the extreme memory capability of astonishing 1Mb? |
| 08:59.15 | paines | anyone can tell me how to install the experimantal gnome 2.10 packages on unstable ? |
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| 08:59.21 | fwiw39 | poli: no...512KB |
| 08:59.25 | colk | can you even get linux on that? |
| 08:59.25 | ericb_ | streuner, at least there is dillo, or I could never google anything. dillo is terrific |
| 08:59.25 | fwiw39 | 512KB ram |
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| 08:59.30 | poli | fwiw39, Much better. |
| 08:59.38 | poli | colk, no |
| 08:59.42 | fwiw39 | 640KB is all you'll ever need |
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| 08:59.58 | Guerin | paines: no |
| 08:59.58 | fwiw39 | man...i used to program in basic |
| 09:00.01 | streuner | ericb_: yeah, dillo is one of the browsers which almost work on this system :-/ |
| 09:00.03 | fwiw39 | GWBASIC |
| 09:00.07 | poli | colk, there was an attempt to port linux to the i286, but I don't think they did much work on it. |
| 09:00.19 | poli | fwiw39, everyone did by that that. |
| 09:00.20 | faber2 | are there mysql 5.0 packages for debian? |
| 09:00.21 | ericb_ | man, this huge debian archive has got me installing software non stop and never using anything, just installing, installing, installing |
| 09:00.35 | Guerin | paines: if you have to ask how to install something from experimental, you are demonstrably unqualified to use it. Same goes for unstable. |
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| 09:00.38 | poli | fwiw39, by that time |
| 09:00.38 | fwiw39 | ericb_: use do a hdd install of knoppix |
| 09:00.55 | Guerin | faber2: if there are, dotdeb.org will have them |
| 09:01.00 | ericb_ | fwiw39, I am confused |
| 09:01.01 | tpwalker1980 | so the command would be dpkg -i /dev/fd0/etherconf.deb IF the file in question is etherconf.deb on my floppy, correct? |
| 09:01.05 | holycow | ericb_, hehehe :0 |
| 09:01.07 | fwiw39 | ericb: i wanted the power and challenge of debian, but didn't want to die before i finished installing it. so i just hd installed knoppix |
| 09:01.14 | Guerin | no, don't do a hdinstall of knoppix |
| 09:01.19 | Guerin | it's not debian |
| 09:01.20 | fwiw39 | guerin - y not? |
| 09:01.23 | fwiw39 | WHAT? |
| 09:01.25 | Guerin | it's broken |
| 09:01.26 | holycow | ericb_, there is so much softawre in debian you wont live long enough to trully use any of it to its full potential |
| 09:01.26 | fwiw39 | it is debian, yes!? |
| 09:01.31 | fwiw39 | HOW broken? |
| 09:01.32 | shingouz | fwiw39: No |
| 09:01.35 | streuner | !based on debian |
| 09:01.35 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 09:01.36 | deadcat_ | can i expect xorg in sid once sarge goes stable? |
| 09:01.36 | fwiw39 | teach me |
| 09:01.37 | Guerin | would you drive a banged-up ford mustang in a f1 race? |
| 09:01.38 | Guerin | NO |
| 09:01.41 | ericb_ | ever since I found out about the debian archinve and aptitude, then apt-get, I never looked back |
| 09:01.43 | shingouz | !knoppixsmite fwiw39 |
| 09:01.44 | holycow | ericb_, did you know that debian has gained 6000 packages approx since sarge? |
| 09:01.48 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 09:01.50 | fwiw39 | O2 O3 |
| 09:01.59 | Guerin | fwiw39: example: ssh x forwarding is enabled by default |
| 09:02.02 | fwiw39 | i didn't want a bloated OS, so i took the seed of knoppix |
| 09:02.05 | ericb_ | holycow, didn't know that |
| 09:02.13 | holycow | pretty damned cool eh? |
| 09:02.14 | derobert | UGH! Tried to do a woody-to-sarge upgrade, nut started and caused a kernel panic. Ugh, ugh, ugh. |
| 09:02.19 | Guerin | fwiw39: knoppix IS massively bloated |
| 09:02.21 | fwiw39 | i took the seed of knoppix and planted it inside of my computer |
| 09:02.24 | Guerin | it's got kde by default, ffs |
| 09:02.37 | fwiw39 | knoppix = 1 CD, debian = 6 CD .: knoppix is less bloated |
| 09:02.38 | einsteinmg | fwiw39: try grml instead ;) www.grml.org |
| 09:02.46 | streuner | fwiw39: knoppix doesn't do any magic, it helps you handle X, but that's no big thing in debian as well... |
| 09:03.00 | Guerin | fwiw39: no. debian: 110MB. Knoppix: 700MB. Default install. |
| 09:03.01 | ericb_ | fwiw39, can you do network install, with all modules and compact kernel |
| 09:03.11 | deadcat_ | fwiw39: do you know what those 8 cds mean? |
| 09:03.32 | fwiw39 | deadkat: no |
| 09:03.35 | cast | fwiw39: i think youll find knoppix is far far far more bloated :x |
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| 09:03.36 | tpwalker1980 | isn't knoppix setup for mythtv? |
| 09:03.38 | fwiw39 | i'm a debian virgin |
| 09:03.52 | Guerin | fwiw39: congratulations, you get the award for Most Clueless Idiot - not easy to do, especially since starscalling has been trying real hard |
| 09:03.52 | streuner | s/virgin/user/ ;-) |
| 09:04.02 | deadcat_ | fwiw39: means if you install ALL of them. unless you are a dumbass to install ALL softwars then you need all the cds. |
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| 09:04.11 | ericb_ | fwiwi39, I am not at all a debian or linux expert, this channel setup eveything I have |
| 09:04.15 | shingouz | fwiw39: Knoppix is a nice rescue cd and it does have some use when shopping for a new laptop. Take the cd into the store and jsut boot the laptop you want and see if everything is useable. Other uses I cannot think of. |
| 09:04.18 | jethro | moin |
| 09:04.29 | poli | Guerin, starscalling hasn't one too? |
| 09:04.34 | fwiw39 | i was too lazy to build my own linux |
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| 09:04.38 | Guerin | poli: he's a very close second |
| 09:04.41 | fwiw39 | so i just installed knoppix on the hdd |
| 09:04.47 | Guerin | s/he/she/ as appropriate |
| 09:04.48 | streuner | fwiw39: debian :-) |
| 09:04.56 | fwiw39 | it's like instant debian |
| 09:04.57 | starscalling | oh |
| 09:04.59 | jethro | fwiw39: build your own kernel? |
| 09:04.59 | starscalling | ive tried |
| 09:05.00 | shingouz | fwiw39: b/s |
| 09:05.03 | PerfDave | fwiw39: It's not really any harder to install Debian. You don't need to "build your own Linux". |
| 09:05.03 | starscalling | i know shit |
| 09:05.06 | fwiw39 | jetho: too n00b to do that |
| 09:05.06 | ericb_ | fwiw39, its easy, all blue screen gui's. np, just use errors |
| 09:05.08 | starscalling | and i just converted |
| 09:05.11 | Guerin | yeah. In the same way that instant cheese is like real cheese. |
| 09:05.13 | rixth | Well. I ran MemTest86 no errors, reseated my RAM, and no more segfaults! |
| 09:05.14 | jethro | !n00b |
| 09:05.14 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 09:05.15 | starscalling | and im trying to be my own admin too |
| 09:05.22 | starscalling | so yay |
| 09:05.23 | cast | righto, now to try this dvd burning. if it doesnt work expect some questions :x |
| 09:05.24 | jethro | !tell fwiw39 -about debian kernel images |
| 09:05.33 | Guerin | rixth: yay |
| 09:05.46 | starscalling | cast |
| 09:05.51 | fwiw39 | should i just go to barnes and nobles and read "DEBIAN FOR DUMMIES" all weekend? |
| 09:05.51 | starscalling | do you have a gui in? |
| 09:06.05 | cast | im running enlightenment, if thats what you mean |
| 09:06.05 | rixth | Ain't it just! Is there really a "Debian for Dummies"? |
| 09:06.05 | Guerin | fwiw39: just read the debian reference |
| 09:06.12 | poli | fwiw39, there are very good HOWTOs, don't bother buying. |
| 09:06.14 | starscalling | k3b is easy and usefull |
| 09:06.14 | Guerin | rixth: no. |
| 09:06.16 | fwiw39 | i've RTFM quite a bit |
| 09:06.19 | colk | rixth, you didnt run it long enough |
| 09:06.27 | colk | you have to run memtest overnight |
| 09:06.34 | fwiw39 | i read some message boards that recommended install knoppix on hdd to get your feet wet |
| 09:06.36 | holycow | there is a debian for dummies? |
| 09:06.38 | jethro | fwiw39: you don't need a debian for dummies book |
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| 09:06.39 | holycow | i had no idea :) hehe |
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| 09:06.42 | rixth | colk, I'll see if it segfaults again. If it does, I intent to run it loner. |
| 09:06.45 | rixth | longer |
| 09:06.58 | jethro | fwiw39: all you need is available, either on www.debian.org or in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
| 09:06.59 | tpwalker1980 | what is the easiest way to install file etherconf.deb from floppy drive? dpkg -i /dev/fd0/etherconf.deb ? |
| 09:07.01 | poli | fwiw39, you need to read better boards. |
| 09:07.09 | cast | starscalling: k3b is nice for what it is, but i prefer CLI apps :> |
| 09:07.11 | colk | btw noise from your cpu fan is really really bad |
| 09:07.18 | poli | tpwalker1980, yes. |
| 09:07.19 | fwiw39 | poli: it's ok. i can just wipe the partition and start over again |
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| 09:07.39 | poli | fwiw39, and it probably be the last time you need to do that. :) |
| 09:07.43 | ericb_ | man ap-get, "Use purge instead of remove for anything that would be removed" What does that mean? |
| 09:07.47 | fwiw39 | poli: i like the autodetect hardware of knoppix...is there something similar with debian woody? |
| 09:07.49 | tpwalker1980 | cuz im getting error "error processing /dev/fd9/etherconf.deb" cannot access archive; Not a directory |
| 09:07.50 | Guerin | cast: cdw is a decent curses burning util |
| 09:07.52 | shingouz | fwiw39: I have read on some forums that the best way to introduce someone to computers is to buy him/her a brand new XP. I didn't believe that so why did you believe that the best way to introduce you to linux is to install Knoppix |
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| 09:07.59 | Guerin | fwiw39: no, but there is with debian sarge. |
| 09:08.00 | tpwalker1980 | when I use that command |
| 09:08.06 | poli | fwiw39, don't get to woody for home use. Get a Sarge CD. |
| 09:08.08 | ericb_ | I wish man pages were full of examples, I can learn easy from examples, I am a copy cat |
| 09:08.16 | Guerin | fwiw39: comparing woody and knoppix is like comparing a stealth bomber and a b52 |
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| 09:08.21 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 09:08.28 | fwiw39 | guerin: ah i am start to see the light |
| 09:08.33 | shingouz | fwiw39: Guerin is serious |
| 09:08.39 | fwiw39 | i feel it |
| 09:08.40 | fwiw39 | yes |
| 09:08.41 | fwiw39 | :) |
| 09:08.45 | ericb_ | guerin, elaborate you analogy, lol |
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| 09:09.05 | TinoW | gah! now the postgresql package is out and... it replaces 7.5 :((( |
| 09:09.18 | TinoW | what a stuoid idea :( *sorry* |
| 09:09.22 | TinoW | stupid |
| 09:09.36 | Guerin | ericb_: one is new, flash, shiny, experimental, and suitable for a small range of tasks. The other is old, well-known, extensively tested, stable, powerful, and suited to doing one thing very, very well. |
| 09:09.45 | cast | Guerin: growisofs is the current candidate, and i dont much like curses, either :P |
| 09:09.52 | Guerin | cast: heh |
| 09:09.57 | ericb_ | Guerin, thx |
| 09:09.57 | poli | TinoW, I have a collection of stupid ideas I like to keep for reference.. could you please elaborate a bit on yours? :) |
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| 09:10.19 | fwiw39 | HARDWARE QUESTION: i have a powerful desktop computer. i want to use windows xp on it for productivity and linux on it for risky activities, on two seperate harddisks... is there a hardware solution to isolate the windows HDD from being touched while using the linux OS? like a switch i could install to detect the ISA cable? |
| 09:10.20 | Guerin | cast: curses is just a gui for the console |
| 09:10.22 | ericb_ | Hey, If do apt-get remove filename, its too late to do apt-get --purge filename? |
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| 09:10.34 | Guerin | fwiw39: no. |
| 09:10.37 | fwiw39 | detach the isa cable |
| 09:10.43 | fwiw39 | guerin: NO!? why? |
| 09:10.43 | poli | fwiw39, just don't mount ut. |
| 09:10.49 | Guerin | fwiw39: that's a massively stupid idea |
| 09:10.52 | TinoW | poli: if you make a major upgrade of a database its usually not desired to remove one instance alltogether - you need a smooth transition so you usually drive 2 versions in parallel |
| 09:10.57 | fwiw39 | poli: can't someone just hack to mount the windows hdd? |
| 09:10.59 | ericb_ | fwiw39, I think they have that switch at radio shack, lol |
| 09:11.00 | streuner | ericb_: groups.google.com is full with examples... |
| 09:11.05 | fwiw39 | lol eric |
| 09:11.05 | Guerin | fwiw39: well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, anything's possible |
| 09:11.10 | TinoW | poli: which you cant when the installer removes |
| 09:11.17 | ericb_ | streuner, thx thats what I need |
| 09:11.20 | holycow | fwiw39, get some removable trays and use removable hd's easiest fastest way, safest too |
| 09:11.22 | fwiw39 | guerin: i have a variable iron 100 to 900F |
| 09:11.23 | poli | fwiw39, only if you allow him to, or he has the root password. Actually, both of the previous are the same. |
| 09:11.25 | fwiw39 | weller iron |
| 09:11.47 | streuner | ericb_: /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 09:11.48 | poli | TinoW, True. |
| 09:12.08 | poli | TinoW, YOu would have lots of problems with conflicting ports and IPC, if you didn't. |
| 09:12.26 | fwiw39 | holycow: where have you seen such removable trays? |
| 09:12.38 | holycow | when you get removable trays for yoru hds you open up a bunch of options for your self as well ... you can very easily setup many versions of linux, use a second hd as backup ...e tc |
| 09:12.44 | holycow | sec ... |
| 09:12.45 | ericb_ | fwiw39, if you don't mount the windows filesystem, then the switch is off |
| 09:12.58 | shingouz | fwiw39: Unless you mount the doze partition there is no way anyone can access it |
| 09:13.00 | TinoW | poli: well no. If you use the source, you can run them in parallel |
| 09:13.02 | fwiw39 | eric: can't someone just gain root and mount the ntfs volume? |
| 09:13.09 | TinoW | poli: many ppl do so :) |
| 09:13.10 | poli | fwiw39, IF you don't configure your linux to see your windows partitions, he won't do that. Trust me. Get rid of that "My computer knows better than me" Microsoft ideology. |
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| 09:13.17 | shingouz | fwiw39: Yes. |
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| 09:13.30 | holycow | fwiw39, well any computer store should have them, call ahead not many people tend to use them but they are seriously usefull |
| 09:13.35 | poli | TinoW, accepting network connections? You have to chose which one will bind to the port. |
| 09:13.38 | Guerin | fwiw39: if you're worried about losing data because you're box has been owned, don't use windows |
| 09:13.51 | poli | TinoW, You can't have both bound to the same port you know? :) |
| 09:14.09 | ericb_ | fwiw39, make a good root password |
| 09:14.09 | fwiw39 | shingouz: so the only way to secure my productivity windows xp installation is to keep it on a removable tray? a hacker can just mount the xp ntfs volume from linux if they really wanted to, right? |
| 09:14.11 | simonrvn | Guerin++ for using "losing" |
| 09:14.15 | holycow | fwiw39, http://www.hampton-technologies.com/ |
| 09:14.22 | fwiw39 | ah |
| 09:14.27 | PerfDave | Physical security is pretty essential for anything. |
| 09:14.28 | Guerin | simonrvn: hah, I didn't get it for a moment |
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| 09:14.40 | shingouz | fwiw39: If he *really* wanted but that is pretty much a moot point |
| 09:14.43 | poli | fwiw39, if you don't include support for NTFS in your kernel, he would have to recompile a kernel first. |
| 09:14.45 | PerfDave | Unless you're doing stuff like encrypting volumes, and I don't think Windows supports that. |
| 09:14.48 | ram_einstein | oh lord, more problems |
| 09:14.53 | ericb_ | fwiw39, I didn't know Linux could mount ntfs yet, only fat |
| 09:14.55 | poli | fwiw39, Hey, you use windows, you should know what hackers do. |
| 09:15.07 | Guerin | damndamndamn, sasl auth is broken |
| 09:15.08 | ram_einstein | apt-get install gnome returns can't find package gnome! why? |
| 09:15.10 | derobert | poli: not really, he could use nbd |
| 09:15.12 | shingouz | fwiw39: You can have an almost secure installation if you never turn on the computer and it will never be plugged into any network |
| 09:15.21 | fwiw39 | lol shin |
| 09:15.22 | Delph | fwiw39: indeed. |
| 09:15.51 | shingouz | !nicktab |
| 09:15.51 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 09:15.51 | poli | derobert, okay, and don't instal nbd. thanks. :) |
| 09:15.52 | shingouz | fwiw39: ^^ |
| 09:15.52 | Delph | If there is never a cable from the windows drive to the internet, then you'll never get owned. |
| 09:15.52 | ericb_ | Is there a hack that can make your system heatup and a chip break off, cause thats what happenned to me. Was it a hack or just I left the computer for 5months |
| 09:15.52 | derobert | poli: well, if he has root, he can. |
| 09:15.52 | ram_einstein | I think I screwed up the first time boot config how to I get it up again to specify a source for apt? |
| 09:16.03 | ram_einstein | hell-o! I badly need help here... |
| 09:16.03 | holycow | ericb_, heh, no hack, bad hardware |
| 09:16.05 | TinoW | poli: well, you can change the port, no? :) |
| 09:16.08 | holycow | ericb_, get it warranteed |
| 09:16.08 | poli | derobert, hey, machine is lost anyhow. :) |
| 09:16.09 | streuner | ram_einstein: apt-setup |
| 09:16.19 | TinoW | poli: also you have virtual hosting feature |
| 09:16.20 | ram_einstein | after root login right? |
| 09:16.21 | poli | TinoW, But then you have to chose which one will be there. :) |
| 09:16.23 | Delph | fwiw39: assume that anything that is ever wired into the internet will be carrying nasty stuff. |
| 09:16.29 | ram_einstein | thanks |
| 09:16.31 | streuner | ram_einstein: as root |
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| 09:16.36 | TinoW | poli: yes, and is this a problem for the installer? |
| 09:16.42 | fwiw39 | holycow: i'm looking at the hampton tech page...where are the drive enclosures?! |
| 09:16.55 | poli | TinoW, depends on how you want to test it. |
| 09:16.55 | ericb_ | holycow, I bought it from a garage sale, he was acting strange when I went there, and I still bought it. I get ripped everywhere I go. ppl see an visible minority and have no mercy |
| 09:17.23 | TinoW | poli: why test? It just asks which port you want during install. 5432 as default. IIRC it does it anyway |
| 09:17.23 | poli | TinoW, could be a good idea to let the old one answer on the right port and test the new one on a different port. |
| 09:17.36 | poli | TinoW, But IMHO it is a better idea to test it in a test environment. |
| 09:17.55 | poli | TinoW, not the install, test the environment. |
| 09:17.58 | holycow | http://www.hampton-technologies.com/rack.htm <-- fwiw39 |
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| 09:18.20 | TinoW | poli: sure, but it makes it harder den we need it. Because you need to have a full testing environment - double the hardware or some virtualizer |
| 09:18.24 | TinoW | then |
| 09:18.26 | holycow | fwiw39, there are many models and types, make sure to google a bit |
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| 09:18.37 | shingouz | fwiw39: Is it still sunday where you are? |
| 09:19.00 | holycow | ericb_, heh :) thats kinda par for the course for garage sales tho |
| 09:19.25 | holycow | ericb_, i find it much cheaper to just buy the parts i need and assemble from there, used hardware usually wastes a lot of my time |
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| 09:20.07 | poli | TinoW, I still recomend a test environment for any kind of production use. :) But, second best (namely far from the other one) is having both in pararel. But I don't know how they behave when accessing the files. :) |
| 09:20.20 | fwiw39 | shingouz: no...it's monday now |
| 09:20.35 | shingouz | fwiw39: Ok, just a thought |
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| 09:21.17 | gnube | Hello there! |
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| 09:21.38 | gnube | Hopefully there are some people who want to talk about DNS |
| 09:21.52 | shingouz | !tell gnube about ask |
| 09:23.16 | fwiw39 | i heard that installing debian requires all CDs...even if you're not using all the CDs...TRUE? |
| 09:23.27 | shingouz | fwiw39: False |
| 09:23.35 | fwiw39 | ok |
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| 09:23.37 | ericb_ | holycow, I called the garage sale guy and he was like drop it off here, and he was like what chip was on their again. Amd 1.4. I think he wanted to keep it |
| 09:24.00 | holycow | heh, i have a few of those |
| 09:24.04 | ericb_ | Holycow, you think I can solder the chip back on, even if I could there still would be the over heating problem |
| 09:24.04 | poli | fwiw39, I never had a CD number 2. :) Nor 3 nor any besides the first one. :) |
| 09:24.05 | holycow | love thunderbirds |
| 09:24.08 | fwiw39 | if debian sarge and knoppix were women...what would they be like and how different? |
| 09:24.13 | debian | what command hold forever? I'd like to have the maintain the ssh portforwarding command stay forward |
| 09:24.17 | debian | stay forever |
| 09:24.23 | holycow | ericb_, no, bite the cost and just buy new parts |
| 09:24.30 | derobert | fwiw39: both would yell at you and tell you to ask on -curiosa. |
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| 09:24.37 | shingouz | fwiw39: Knoppix would be the idiot bimbo |
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| 09:24.58 | debian | sleep 999d just ain't good enough |
| 09:25.02 | holycow | derobert, and then when you go to the #debian shrink, he yells at you! |
| 09:25.04 | holycow | -_- |
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| 09:25.16 | ram_einstein | oh my god! how hard is debian? |
| 09:25.26 | ericb_ | it will be a long time before I can buy another mother board, I don't think the chip was even 1.4, cause I ran some system tool, and it said 1.04, I can't remember what it said in the bios, But you are right gotta get another mother board |
| 09:25.26 | ram_einstein | I inserted and scanned my cd using apt-setup |
| 09:25.27 | holycow | super easy, as long as you are using d-1 |
| 09:25.31 | holycow | !d-i |
| 09:25.31 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 09:25.43 | shingouz | debian: Cold shower |
| 09:25.47 | ram_einstein | I am holycow |
| 09:25.48 | simonrvn | debian: work out? ;p |
| 09:25.51 | fwiw39 | lo |
| 09:25.52 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 09:25.55 | ircdevil | ram_einstein: it is as easy as you are dedicated. and as tought as you are ignorant. :o) |
| 09:25.55 | kyu | debian is hard? |
| 09:25.55 | ericb_ | If I can get same mother board, can I just plug in harddrive and have my old o/s back? |
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| 09:25.58 | holycow | ram_einstein, no worries then |
| 09:25.59 | kyu | What do you mean? |
| 09:26.00 | ram_einstein | apt-get install gnome doesn't work |
| 09:26.17 | TinoW | ericb_: even when you use another motherboard |
| 09:26.23 | ram_einstein | I am dedicates, you've seen that. Please help me |
| 09:26.23 | poli | ericb_, you you didn't mess up with the hd you are putting back, yes. |
| 09:26.25 | holycow | ram_einstein, gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:26.27 | shingouz | ram_einstein: And you are at what point in the installer? |
| 09:26.35 | Coke | ram_einstein: your first time with GNU/Linux? |
| 09:26.39 | streuner_ | ram_einstein: what does not work? |
| 09:26.46 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, with linux, yes |
| 09:26.56 | ram_einstein | shingouz, it's a console screen login |
| 09:26.57 | streuner_ | holycow: that's not ubuntu ;-) |
| 09:26.57 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, assuming you have sarge with hotplug/discover1, not woody |
| 09:26.57 | poli | ram_einstein, did you eat your breakfast? |
| 09:27.02 | ram_einstein | no Coke I use FC3 |
| 09:27.07 | ericb_ | poli, cool, you have done this before. I have to find same exact board though, what are the chances |
| 09:27.11 | holycow | streuner, hehe, that is in debian sarge tho |
| 09:27.13 | jethro | !lart ram_einstein |
| 09:27.16 | kyu | This channel has too many newbs for me, i can't deal. Sorry guys, see you around :) |
| 09:27.18 | debian | nevermind, I create my own script |
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| 09:27.24 | TinoW | ram_einstein: did you bind your shoe laces and clean your hands? ;) |
| 09:27.31 | debian | one less newbs |
| 09:27.31 | ram_einstein | what is wrong with d-i? |
| 09:27.32 | shingouz | ram_einstein: How about apt-cache search gnome and start from there |
| 09:27.37 | streuner_ | holycow: in debian you use apt-get install gnome (sarge, sid) |
| 09:27.41 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work, so I can't with windows eh, cause that was my media madness machine. Its good it broke down, I was addicted |
| 09:27.41 | hexxeh|work | there is a gnome package |
| 09:27.43 | poli | ericb_, not necessarily. In Windows, yes. In linux, you just have to get the right drivers working for the new one. |
| 09:27.46 | hexxeh|work | PEBCAK |
| 09:27.57 | holycow | streuner, that changed a while back now its gnome-desktop-environment. |
| 09:28.04 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, i have never successfully done a motherboard swap with windows |
| 09:28.06 | ram_einstein | I tried everything excpet apt-cache search |
| 09:28.17 | shingouz | @lart ram_einstein |
| 09:28.41 | ram_einstein | okay, I don't know what I'm talking about |
| 09:28.45 | ram_einstein | d-i? |
| 09:28.45 | ericb_ | I didn't even get windows CD's with my system. I hate how its like that nowadays, before every system came with OS cd's |
| 09:28.47 | Maulkin | Oh dear... is it Monday Cluebat Hour again? |
| 09:28.47 | ram_einstein | one sec |
| 09:28.58 | TinoW | shingouz: stop that larting please |
| 09:29.03 | shingouz | Maulkin: Permasunday, you should know already |
| 09:29.08 | ram_einstein | I'll tell you what I downloaded |
| 09:29.16 | ericb_ | How is linux for dvd burning and authoring and divx-dvd conversions, I never tried it |
| 09:29.18 | streuner_ | holycow: using too long ob3 ;-) |
| 09:29.21 | gnube | My server has debian running with BIND 8.3.3 |
| 09:29.24 | holycow | ram_einstein, just install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:29.26 | jethro | !sing monday |
| 09:29.27 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 09:29.29 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, i rip dvd -> xvid, never tried the reverse |
| 09:29.29 | holycow | ram_einstein, its that simple |
| 09:29.32 | jethro | \o\ |
| 09:29.36 | TinoW | ram_einstein: btw. its better to read some introductional text on debian.org |
| 09:29.38 | Maulkin | shingouz: Bah, I haven't had my morning coffee yet, ok? :) |
| 09:29.38 | poli | ericb_, you didn't pay for somthing you aren't going to use. :) |
| 09:29.44 | gnube | I am interested in adding host to the IP address |
| 09:29.49 | ram_einstein | okay holycow and TinoW |
| 09:29.52 | TinoW | ram_einstein: this avoids to apear too stupid when you ask here |
| 09:29.56 | gnube | using virtual hosting |
| 09:30.01 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: But my monitor is small and its no fun watchin movies on it with the crapy speakers |
| 09:30.01 | shingouz | Maulkin: Augh, that is bad then. apt-get install caffeine |
| 09:30.05 | ram_einstein | !d-i |
| 09:30.06 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 09:30.13 | TinoW | ram_einstein: and debian has very good documentation on most topics |
| 09:30.14 | ericb_ | poli, what do you mean |
| 09:30.24 | gnube | I have already set up the apache configuration but I want to know how to change the DNS |
| 09:30.25 | poli | gnube, please ask the full question in one only line. Too hard to search for your lines in the channel. |
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| 09:30.40 | gnube | poli, right, will do |
| 09:30.46 | jethro | one gets used to the load |
| 09:30.48 | poli | ericb_, weren't you complaining about not getting the OS when you buy the computer? |
| 09:31.14 | ericb_ | I gotta type a resume and get a job and a life. But I don't know which editor to use, I have so many |
| 09:31.19 | ericb_ | poli, Oh yeah |
| 09:31.25 | gnube | how do I configure DNS in debian with BIND 8.3.3 ( I want to add a hostname to an IP)? |
| 09:31.28 | Maulkin | ericb_: Use "ed". |
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| 09:31.44 | poli | ericb_, I use latex with emacs, if that helps. :) There are some nice "resume" packages. |
| 09:31.51 | derobert | ericb_: vim is the one true editor. |
| 09:31.56 | ericb_ | Maulkin, I'm off to try that one, but first could you tell me if I can center text? |
| 09:32.00 | jethro | !start an editor war |
| 09:32.00 | dpkg | emacs bites |
| 09:32.08 | ram_einstein | one sec all |
| 09:32.08 | derobert | Ha! dpkg agrees! |
| 09:32.11 | Maulkin | !start an editor war |
| 09:32.11 | ram_einstein | I'll just read |
| 09:32.11 | dpkg | edlin bites |
| 09:32.13 | hexxeh|work | !start a food fight |
| 09:32.13 | dpkg | turkey is not tasty |
| 09:32.13 | cast | hmm, emacs latex mode any good? |
| 09:32.20 | Maulkin | Bah, beaten too it. |
| 09:32.30 | ericb_ | I want an editor for resume and letter, so I am looking for formatting and templates or something, but light weight too |
| 09:32.50 | cast | ericb_: sounds like latex! |
| 09:33.02 | derobert | cast: latex isn't exactly lightweight.... |
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| 09:33.19 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, you'll have suggestions of vim and latex. try abiword when you get bored |
| 09:33.19 | poli | gnube, if it is already installed, you should have a directory called /etc/bind (if I am correct) |
| 09:33.20 | ram_einstein | I downloaded sarge-1386-1.iso |
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| 09:33.25 | ericb_ | poli, How do I know if I have latex, I must, I don't really know how to use emacs, can I set variable fonts, what file formats can I save in, rtf? |
| 09:33.26 | ram_einstein | *i386 |
| 09:33.31 | ram_einstein | via torrent |
| 09:33.45 | _joey | yay |
| 09:33.47 | poli | gnube, there is a very nice DNS HOWTO that will teach you how to get the file edited. Try googling for "DNS HOWTO" |
| 09:33.53 | _joey | I just created my first .deb package |
| 09:34.01 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: I have abiword, its pretty good, but I want something else for some reason |
| 09:34.07 | streuner_ | !info bind9-doc |
| 09:34.08 | jethro | gnube: www.tldp.org |
| 09:34.08 | gnube | Everything is installed and running, I have located the /etc/bind directory |
| 09:34.09 | dpkg | bind9-doc: (Documentation for BIND), section doc, is optional. Version: 1:9.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 169 kB, Installed size: 520 kB |
| 09:34.09 | cast | _joey: easy innit? :> |
| 09:34.14 | _joey | yeah |
| 09:34.15 | tpwalker1980 | alight, so far no luck.. I am trying to install a file call etherconf.deb off my floppy drive using the dpkg command "dpkg -i /dev/fd0/etherconf.deb" but I get error "canno access archive; Not a directory" |
| 09:34.19 | tpwalker1980 | what am i doing wrong? |
| 09:34.22 | gnube | streuner_, It is BIND 8.3.3 |
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| 09:34.46 | shingouz | tpwalker1980: You need to mount the floppy first |
| 09:34.46 | poli | ericb_, latex is a bit different from what you are used to... it is a "formatter" you have to feed it with some "tagged text" (close to hyper text). Probably not what you need right now, it takes some time to learn. |
| 09:34.54 | jethro | tpwalker1980: you need to mount the floppy, then dpkg -i the deb file |
| 09:35.00 | lehel | hello |
| 09:35.03 | tpwalker1980 | ahh that would make sense |
| 09:35.08 | tpwalker1980 | thnx again :) |
| 09:35.12 | tpwalker1980 | gotta love progress |
| 09:35.22 | ericb_ | poli, maybe I should just use abiword, but I want something cooler |
| 09:35.24 | shingouz | tpwalker1980: Remember to umount the floppy too when you are finished with it |
| 09:35.24 | derobert | poli: try koffice, abiword, or openoffice. The last is anything but lightweight. All are word processors like you're probably used to. |
| 09:35.26 | jethro | tpwalker1980: make sure you umount the floppy priori to ejecting it |
| 09:35.37 | derobert | poli: oops, I meant that for ericb. |
| 09:35.37 | petemc | gnube: you edit the zone file for that domain, adding an A record |
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| 09:35.40 | poli | ericb_, read derobert :) |
| 09:35.48 | lehel | it is possible to "image" an installed Debian OS? |
| 09:35.58 | jethro | lehel: man dd |
| 09:36.14 | ericb_ | derobert, I tried those ones, I guess abiword is the best bet |
| 09:36.28 | jethro | lehel: or use something like mondo rescue, or ghost |
| 09:36.34 | fwiw39 | anybody here use endnote? |
| 09:36.34 | ericb_ | lehel, I would say yes, but dunno how |
| 09:36.39 | fwiw39 | is there an endnote for linux? |
| 09:36.42 | fwiw39 | open source? |
| 09:36.54 | fwiw39 | that's what's holding me back from converting 100% to linux |
| 09:36.54 | shingouz | fwiw39: I do not even know what endnote is |
| 09:36.56 | gnube | I am aware that I edit zone files, but the format differs depending on the version of bind |
| 09:37.01 | derobert | ericb_: there is also lyx, which is based on TeX and is slightly different than the normal word processor |
| 09:37.04 | PerfDave | Endnote is a bibliography program. |
| 09:37.05 | petemc | gnube: not that much |
| 09:37.08 | shingouz | ok |
| 09:37.21 | PerfDave | I think there are bibliography plugins / extensions for OpenOffice.org |
| 09:37.23 | hexxeh|work | fwiw39, endnote? |
| 09:37.27 | ericb_ | derobert, I think I will check it out, I hope is in the deb archive |
| 09:37.31 | petemc | gnube: you should really be using bind 9 anyway |
| 09:37.38 | poli | gnube, you have some good docs for both apt-get install bind-doc |
| 09:37.40 | tarzeau | anyone to play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net with me ? |
| 09:37.40 | derobert | gnube: Ummm.... maybe in bind4, but bind8 and bind9 at least use the same zone format |
| 09:37.46 | derobert | ericb_: yes, it is. apt-get install lyx |
| 09:37.50 | gnube | So then the best advice is to upgrade? |
| 09:38.08 | petemc | gnube: that, and read the docs |
| 09:38.12 | johns^_ | lyx rules |
| 09:38.15 | lehel | dd_rescue is a tool to help you to save data from crashed partition. |
| 09:38.16 | gnube | Because I looked through the debian document on DNS and it spoke specifically about BIND9 |
| 09:38.24 | poli | ericb_, lyx is a front-end to the latex I just mentioned. It is worth giving a try (I like latex a lot!) but it is really very different from what you are used to. |
| 09:38.25 | ericb_ | derobert, awesome, thx, I will let you know how I like it in a minute if you intersted to know |
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| 09:38.38 | tpwalker1980 | ok, # mount /dev/fd0 gives error mount point /floppy does not exist |
| 09:38.49 | derobert | gnube: unless you have a good reason, use bind9. |
| 09:39.26 | gnube | OK, bind9 it is. Will apt-get remove bind be a mart thing to do before installing bind9? |
| 09:39.28 | fwiw39 | hexxeh - endnote.com...i need it to write manuscripts for scholarly journals ...endnote does the bibliography automatically |
| 09:39.37 | poli | lehel, dd is a bit-by-bit copier. Crashed or not, it will copy the exact partition. You can do that and try to recover, keeping a exact copy of it. |
| 09:39.38 | jethro | lehel: don't /msg me |
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| 09:39.42 | fwiw39 | hexxeh: saves me hours of work typing in hundreds of references |
| 09:39.44 | PerfDave | fwiw39: I think there are bibliography plugins / extensions for OpenOffice.org |
| 09:40.01 | derobert | fwiw39: LaTex has bibliography tools |
| 09:40.04 | jethro | lehel: unless you ask me first, you're not supposed to /msg me |
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| 09:40.16 | shingouz | tpwalker1980: Make it so or check in fstab where it should be mounted |
| 09:40.16 | poli | fwiw39, try latex/lyx |
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| 09:40.20 | lehel | ok jethro |
| 09:40.21 | fwiw39 | poli ah |
| 09:40.30 | lehel | sorry!.. i didn't know! |
| 09:40.37 | ericb_ | lehel, protocols |
| 09:41.02 | jethro | !tell lehel -about msg |
| 09:41.29 | gnube | tpwalker1980, did you do mkdir /floppy first? |
| 09:41.29 | jethro | lehel: keep your questions in the channel window, this way everyone can help |
| 09:41.42 | poli | fwiw39, latex is the most common editor on math/physics publications. And bery common on a lot of others. VERY good bibliography. |
| 09:41.45 | lehel | correct ... understood! |
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| 09:41.56 | tpwalker1980 | no gnube |
| 09:42.05 | tpwalker1980 | didn't realize I had to :/ |
| 09:42.10 | shingouz | tpwalker1980: Make it so or check in fstab where it should be mounted |
| 09:42.24 | gnube | You have to make the mount point before you mount a disk |
| 09:42.25 | poli | tpwalker1980, the directory where you intend to mount a partition needs to exist. |
| 09:42.43 | lehel | so it is possible to "transfer" an installed software to an other linux machine? with all config files |
| 09:42.48 | tpwalker1980 | woot |
| 09:42.51 | shingouz | lehel: Yes |
| 09:42.56 | cast | been using vim/latex/aspell so far |
| 09:42.56 | lehel | how? |
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| 09:43.03 | tpwalker1980 | ok mkdir /floppy |
| 09:43.10 | tpwalker1980 | the mount /dev/fd0 |
| 09:43.14 | shingouz | lehel: tar, scp, dd,... there are many more options too |
| 09:43.16 | PerfDave | lehel: look at replicator or cfengine |
| 09:43.27 | tpwalker1980 | :) happy happy I now know how to load a floppy |
| 09:43.28 | ericb_ | apt-get install lyx, "no installation candidate" Ive never seen that error |
| 09:43.32 | gnube | tpwalker1980, I should have mentioned that /floppy probably already exists! |
| 09:43.44 | gnube | tpwalker1980, Look under /mnt |
| 09:43.53 | poli | gnube, /floppy != /mnt/floppy |
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| 09:43.58 | lehel | ok!.. i'll try those .. 10x Shadowcat , PerfDave |
| 09:44.10 | shingouz | !tell lehel about cp hd to hd |
| 09:44.17 | PerfDave | !10x |
| 09:44.17 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 times, please spell it out: "thanks". IRC doesn't charge you by the character, nor is it AOHELL instant messenger. |
| 09:44.17 | fwiw39 | will the blackbox that is going into Windows 2006 drive users from using M$ to using LInux to protect their privacy? |
| 09:44.22 | gnube | tpwalker1980, This is where mount points are usually kept, in my experience anyway |
| 09:44.41 | PerfDave | fwiw39: Hopefully. Probably not. People are stupid. |
| 09:44.46 | tpwalker1980 | k # /mnt says "/mnt: is a directory |
| 09:44.54 | PerfDave | fwiw39: More likely it'll stop you installing Linux on a Windows PC, "as a security measure" |
| 09:44.56 | fwiw39 | i fear what m$ is doing to their new OS...i feel a need to learn linux |
| 09:44.58 | lehel | thanks shingouz & PerfDave |
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| 09:45.01 | PerfDave | lehel: :) |
| 09:45.06 | shingouz | :) |
| 09:45.11 | fwiw39 | i like to do naughty things on the interweb |
| 09:45.16 | lehel | :D |
| 09:45.20 | fwiw39 | i cannot do that freely with m$ longhorn |
| 09:45.24 | fwiw39 | i must learn linux |
| 09:45.26 | fwiw39 | that is my mindset |
| 09:45.42 | jethro | you mean teh intarweb!!11!! ? |
| 09:45.45 | gnube | tpwalker1980, do this 'ls /mnt' |
| 09:45.46 | fwiw39 | plus i am poor, so i can get stuff on sourceforge |
| 09:45.51 | ericb_ | I can't beleive how long linux has been around and yet I haven't gone to a single store and seen a linux system for sale. Except IBM does sell Linux systems since last year. I think if some can work through a linux distro and perfect it they can get rich |
| 09:45.53 | PerfDave | That's the strangest reason I've heard for using Linux ;) |
| 09:46.05 | PerfDave | ericb_: Weren't Wal-Mart selling Linux systems in .us? |
| 09:46.11 | jethro | ericb_: get another puter dealer |
| 09:46.13 | ericb_ | PerfDave, never knew that |
| 09:46.19 | fwiw39 | perf: my motivation for using linux is strange? to avoid persecution by m$ os? |
| 09:46.22 | gnube | tpwalker1980, you may find a directory called /mnt/floppy |
| 09:46.22 | shingouz | fwiw39: Remember there are nasty things out in the Real Life (tm), things like Feds and such who just may come knocking on your door |
| 09:46.26 | poli | fwiw39, be sure to try aptitude first ;) |
| 09:46.29 | ericb_ | Not in Canada, have I seen linux system for sale |
| 09:46.42 | fwiw39 | shingouz: if i use linux there will be no black box |
| 09:46.50 | PerfDave | fwiw39: Well, it does tie in with the Free Software Foundation's stance that you should have control over your own computer. |
| 09:46.50 | ericb_ | and what distro is installed and does it come with printer set up, |
| 09:46.50 | derobert | PerfDave: on-line only |
| 09:46.51 | fwiw39 | shingouz: the new m$ os will have a black box |
| 09:46.55 | tpwalker1980 | actually after I did mkdir /floppy then /mount /dev/fd0 then cd /floppy I was able to install the etherconf.deb |
| 09:46.59 | tpwalker1980 | thing im all set now |
| 09:47.05 | tpwalker1980 | think* |
| 09:47.08 | PerfDave | fwiw39: If you're talking about NGSCB and so on, the black box is at hardware level and may prevent you from installing Linux in the first place. |
| 09:47.16 | tpwalker1980 | just got to remember to unmount after finished correct? |
| 09:47.17 | jethro | fwiw39: éaa black box, but still some blue screens? |
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| 09:47.22 | gnube | tpwalker1980, cool |
| 09:47.25 | shingouz | fwiw39: No, but if you do nasty things on the "interweb" you are bound to bump into someone who does not like what you do. Just be careful (and stay off my systems) |
| 09:47.49 | poli | fwiw39, blackbox.. try encfs or cfs... ;) encryption is very nice... ;) |
| 09:47.59 | ericb_ | Before MS got a rich and Linux was freed, wasn't linux type systems terrible expensive that only Nasa had them? |
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| 09:48.09 | jethro | !pal ericb_ |
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| 09:48.17 | ericb_ | lol |
| 09:48.31 | ericb_ | jethro, what !pal |
| 09:48.38 | shingouz | This is getting too weird, I'll be off to hack on a marine diesel for a few hours |
| 09:48.43 | poli | ericb_, you are mistaking linux for old Unix systems. And even then this isn't true. :) |
| 09:48.47 | lehel | Using a nfs-root filesystem and rsync, replicator allows you to non-interactively install a target |
| 09:48.48 | lehel | computer identical to the model computer. |
| 09:48.50 | fwiw39 | shingouz: i am not a cracker. i am a novice coder and porn affictionado |
| 09:49.05 | jethro | ericb_: actually linux was the most expensive OS? but RMS and ESR, along with the Warriors of the Gnu Order, went on a crusade, and freed the kernel |
| 09:49.08 | shingouz | fwiw39: What I said is still valid |
| 09:49.13 | ericb_ | poli, I remember hearing that Unix systems cause 1million bucks |
| 09:49.21 | fwiw39 | shingouz: hence I do not want to surf porn on a the next generation of m$ os with the flight recorder |
| 09:49.28 | jethro | ericb_: you're talking about proprietary unix systems |
| 09:49.28 | PerfDave | ericb_: It depends on the Unix system, the hardware it's running on, etc. |
| 09:49.29 | ericb_ | How much is a sun solaris? |
| 09:49.32 | poli | ericb_, search wikipedia for a nice history of them all. |
| 09:49.36 | jethro | ericb_: it is free now |
| 09:49.37 | poli | ericb_, free now. |
| 09:49.39 | fwiw39 | shingz: i want to do it on linux so my private is maintained |
| 09:49.45 | ericb_ | Free at last, free at last |
| 09:49.53 | PerfDave | fwiw39: If you're downloading lots of porn, it's important to maintain your privates ;) |
| 09:49.59 | PerfDave | ericb_: It's free, but not Free :) |
| 09:49.59 | shingouz | fwiw39: Then do so |
| 09:50.00 | derobert | ericb_: some unix systems still do cost 1 milllion dollars --- or more. In hardware, because they are huge systems. |
| 09:50.02 | jethro | ericb_: yet another victim of the hordes of the Gnu Order |
| 09:50.08 | poli | fwiw39, be sure to check on encfs and cfs. ;) |
| 09:50.11 | fwiw39 | lol poli |
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| 09:50.27 | ericb_ | hordes of the Gnu Order, elaborate please |
| 09:50.37 | fwiw39 | ok |
| 09:50.41 | fwiw39 | it's 4am |
| 09:50.47 | fwiw39 | why is my ping to mit.edu still 300 ms? |
| 09:50.54 | fwiw39 | who the hell is using their computer at 4am? |
| 09:50.54 | jethro | ericb_: I m kidding |
| 09:50.56 | shingouz | ericb_: hirsute Hackers, Inc. |
| 09:50.58 | fwiw39 | p2p and zombies? |
| 09:51.01 | paulswm | ericb_: not $1M for the software. You could even license the System V source code from ATT for $50,000 IIRC |
| 09:51.02 | gnube | are there going to be conflicts with bind8 and bind 9? |
| 09:51.03 | jethro | ericb_: look at that http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html |
| 09:51.07 | ericb_ | jethro, I just wanted to understand the line |
| 09:51.19 | gnube | so I have to remove bind 8 first? |
| 09:51.22 | poli | ericb_, you are damned. I am in another hemisphere and getting <200ms |
| 09:51.35 | poli | ericb_, 191-193 consistently. |
| 09:51.46 | poli | ericb_, sorry, that was for fwiw39 |
| 09:51.56 | ericb_ | How can I set dillo browser to show up when I right click a link here? |
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| 09:52.10 | fwiw39 | lol poli |
| 09:52.11 | ericb_ | whats hordes? |
| 09:52.13 | jethro | ericb_: I lack the words to explain my thoughts |
| 09:52.17 | shingouz | Ok. Marine diesel, here I come... |
| 09:52.18 | CoffeeBreaks | anyone knows the debian-installer to give me some help? trying to install on amd64, my mirror is not taken into account when I add it manually. I know that adding it by hand into /target/etc/apt/sources.list will work, but I cannot do that until this file exist, i.e. after I've selected 'install the base system' which fails because my mirror is not correctly added |
| 09:52.27 | ericb_ | jethro, you sound quite aticulate |
| 09:52.45 | jethro | ericb_: sorry I ain't nothing but a clueless french bastard |
| 09:53.03 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, there is a #debian-amd64 probably better place to ask about it at this time. |
| 09:53.06 | PerfDave | CoffeeBreaks: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 09:53.07 | tpwalker1980 | alright, last question and I'll shut up for the night. What should the broadcast address be, my routers IP address or my isp's gateway address? |
| 09:53.08 | paulswm | ericb_: I'm getting <45ms consistently for mit.edu pings from here in Florida |
| 09:53.11 | ericb_ | jethro, Oh you french with you grey poo pon |
| 09:53.17 | fwiw39 | omg |
| 09:53.18 | TinoW | fwiw39: ping times dont say much usually |
| 09:53.19 | jethro | :) |
| 09:53.23 | CoffeeBreaks | I've been on #debian-amd64 for 36 hours now. No help |
| 09:53.32 | fwiw39 | i just pinged mit...i'm getting 250ms |
| 09:53.32 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, files are not in usual mirror-places yet, only on alioth. |
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| 09:53.44 | PerfDave | tpwalker1980: Neither |
| 09:53.48 | jethro | ericb_: what's "aticulate" ? |
| 09:53.49 | ericb_ | CoffeeBreaks: How are you trying to install, network install? |
| 09:53.55 | fwiw39 | i just pinged my own university across the street...250 ms |
| 09:54.00 | fwiw39 | WTF!? |
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| 09:54.05 | tpwalker1980 | ya PerfDave, Im not sure exactly what to put there. |
| 09:54.06 | xfmaple | hello ,everyone |
| 09:54.06 | CoffeeBreaks | yes |
| 09:54.06 | ericb_ | jethro, I don't know how to spell it, it mean, you can express yourself well |
| 09:54.11 | fwiw39 | 250ms to reach across the intersection!? |
| 09:54.12 | jethro | ericb_: ah thanks |
| 09:54.13 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, Are you trying to install debian-amd64 or just regular sarge on a AMD64? |
| 09:54.16 | TinoW | fwiw39: I get 96ms |
| 09:54.19 | fwiw39 | i'm in pin ghell |
| 09:54.22 | CoffeeBreaks | no trying debian-amd64 |
| 09:54.24 | gnube | tpwalker1980, neither |
| 09:54.27 | tpwalker1980 | but im pretty sure that is the reason I can't get a internet connection on my debian machine |
| 09:54.29 | paulswm | fwiw39: your wirde are too thin causing packet friction and slowness :P |
| 09:54.31 | fwiw39 | you guys are a bunch of lpb |
| 09:54.35 | TinoW | fwiw39: network doesnt care for geography |
| 09:54.36 | ericb_ | what is this x ms, what is my ms? |
| 09:54.37 | paulswm | s/wired/wires/ |
| 09:54.38 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, sorry, elaborate please |
| 09:54.41 | CoffeeBreaks | ok |
| 09:54.42 | fwiw39 | lol :) |
| 09:54.45 | fwiw39 | LPB |
| 09:54.52 | gnube | tpwalker1980, that is proabaly not the reason |
| 09:54.55 | PerfDave | tpwalker1980: Where are you trying to put it? I've never needed to manually state a broadcast address. |
| 09:55.16 | ericb_ | Oh forget this ms, I know what it is |
| 09:55.22 | tpwalker1980 | home network is not set for DHCP so I have to manually add all settings |
| 09:55.38 | ericb_ | bootp |
| 09:55.40 | fwiw39 | why would i ever want to learn coding...if the big companies are just going to outsource the assignments off to india? |
| 09:55.40 | poli | !tell tpwalker1980 about interfaces |
| 09:55.42 | tpwalker1980 | and one of the options it goes through asks for the Device's broadcast address |
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| 09:55.55 | ram_einstein | finally! GNOME is INSTALLED!@ |
| 09:55.58 | ram_einstein | thank you all! |
| 09:56.03 | fwiw39 | KDE > gnome |
| 09:56.04 | gnube | tpwalker1980, That probalbly will not work because you are going to be assigned a new IP anyway |
| 09:56.04 | ericb_ | fwiw39, You are scare of the indians? |
| 09:56.07 | paulswm | fwiw39: In case you ever decide to move to India? |
| 09:56.08 | fwiw39 | eric , no |
| 09:56.10 | ram_einstein | it was gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:56.18 | ram_einstein | now how do I start gnome? |
| 09:56.24 | fwiw39 | startx |
| 09:56.28 | ram_einstein | nope |
| 09:56.31 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 09:56.32 | ram_einstein | doesn't work |
| 09:56.33 | ericb_ | fwiw39: they are gonna program everything, whats left for you to program eh |
| 09:56.39 | fwiw39 | eric - TRUE |
| 09:56.48 | ericb_ | fwiw39, lol |
| 09:56.50 | ram_einstein | do I have to restart after installed gnome? |
| 09:56.52 | PerfDave | tpwalker1980: Where are you "going through these options"? |
| 09:56.53 | fwiw39 | china will make all the shoes, india will code all the programs? |
| 09:56.55 | PerfDave | ram_einstein: No |
| 09:57.04 | tpwalker1980 | using etherconf |
| 09:57.04 | ram_einstein | fwiw39, I'm fmailiar with gnome, I'll kde later |
| 09:57.11 | ericb_ | fwiw39: they are reading american text in little huts, and you can't compete |
| 09:57.11 | PerfDave | KDE > * ;) |
| 09:57.12 | fwiw39 | eric: don't you see the future? china will make all goods, india will provide all services |
| 09:57.14 | poli | tpwalker1980, broadcast address is usually the last address on the sub-mask. |
| 09:57.19 | paulswm | fwiw39: Actually, it's not so easy to outsource programming jobs where specific business knowledge is required and/or proximity to the client/user is advantageous |
| 09:57.20 | ram_einstein | PerfDave, then why isn't startx working!? |
| 09:57.23 | tpwalker1980 | ahh ok |
| 09:57.30 | tpwalker1980 | so 192.168.1.256 |
| 09:57.37 | petemc | no |
| 09:57.37 | ram_einstein | how do I make debian start in gnoome? |
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| 09:57.44 | ericb_ | fwiw39: I am a paki |
| 09:57.49 | TinoW | fwiw39: how do the indias scratch my back when they are so far away? ;) |
| 09:57.51 | fwiw39 | china makes all kitchenwares, sneakers, appliances. india handles all coding and service calls and tech support |
| 09:57.56 | tpwalker1980 | if the sub-mask is set to 1-256 |
| 09:58.01 | fwiw39 | that is the FUTURE my friends |
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| 09:58.03 | gnube | rubbish. China and India have remarkably dynamic economies, but they will not take over the software industries. |
| 09:58.05 | ram_einstein | I need help please, final stage of setting up |
| 09:58.07 | ericb_ | that hotmail guy was some indian |
| 09:58.11 | poli | tpwalker1980, NO 192.168.1.255 |
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| 09:58.23 | TinoW | fwiw39: then india swaps software for kitchen goods to china? |
| 09:58.23 | hexxeh|work | ram_einstein, did you install an x server (x-window-system package)? |
| 09:58.25 | fwiw39 | americans will only be responsible for producing quality porn and fast food |
| 09:58.27 | tpwalker1980 | kk |
| 09:58.37 | poli | tpwalker1980, In computer-world number start on 0. |
| 09:58.40 | hexxeh|work | japan's handling a lot of the porn output |
| 09:58.41 | gnube | that is certainly what they consume |
| 09:58.42 | fwiw39 | americans will only be good for making porno and fast food |
| 09:58.44 | TinoW | fwiw39: no, russia is taking over the porn production |
| 09:58.48 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 09:58.51 | fwiw39 | japan is making porn? |
| 09:58.52 | fwiw39 | how? |
| 09:58.56 | ericb_ | fwiw39: yeah right, they are war weapons masters |
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| 09:59.02 | vero | hola |
| 09:59.07 | fwiw39 | do japanese have monster cocks for porn? |
| 09:59.08 | hexxeh|work | with pixelated censorship, that's how |
| 09:59.09 | TinoW | hexxeh|work: hm. never seen good japanese porn ;) |
| 09:59.12 | poli | east european girls... ahhh... :) |
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| 09:59.23 | ericb_ | fwiw39: You like porn for monster cocks, lol |
| 09:59.25 | TinoW | poli: cheap and willingly ;) |
| 09:59.28 | fwiw39 | will a lot of open source efforts migrate to india? |
| 09:59.32 | poli | TinoW, ;) |
| 09:59.39 | vero | hello |
| 09:59.48 | vero | i,m spanish |
| 09:59.51 | vero | ?¿?¿?¿ |
| 09:59.51 | ericb_ | open source is huge in the 3rd world, from Africa to Asia |
| 10:00.02 | poli | vero, there is a #debian-es if you feel better. |
| 10:00.03 | fwiw39 | ubuntu was coded by africans in huts? |
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| 10:00.07 | tpwalker1980 | sweet! ping reply from router! |
| 10:00.09 | incorrect | does anyone use nagios's check_by_ssh ? |
| 10:00.09 | tpwalker1980 | finally |
| 10:00.14 | ericb_ | check out Karachi for lots of linux dudes |
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| 10:00.16 | bob2 | fwiw39: no |
| 10:00.18 | fwiw39 | tpwalker - set your router to drop all ping |
| 10:00.27 | TinoW | fwiw39: so only growing us industry is food making and removal of the results of overly food consume? Oh no, thats a property of south africa ;) |
| 10:00.36 | vero | thank you poli |
| 10:00.38 | bob2 | dropping pings is moronic |
| 10:00.48 | tpwalker1980 | no no, I was pinging it myself |
| 10:00.55 | CoffeeBreaks | I am trying to install debian-amd64. I know about the current 'migration' process. I tried to manually specify 4 different mirrors (sweedish, german, amd64.debian.net and alioth). My mirror is never taken into account and never added to the /target/etc/apt/source.list which only contains the cd. Then the debian installer fails (doesn't find initrd-tools pacakge). After the failure I am able to modify the /target..../sources.list, add a mi |
| 10:00.57 | tpwalker1980 | to see if I had set up debian right |
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| 10:01.01 | petemc | incorrect: nrpe is easier |
| 10:01.02 | tpwalker1980 | for the network |
| 10:01.04 | TinoW | bob2: traffic shaping pings can be sane |
| 10:01.05 | fwiw39 | bob2: y is droping pings dumb |
| 10:01.08 | poli | vero, otherwise, we are pleased to help, in english. :) |
| 10:01.12 | bob2 | fwiw39: what's the point? |
| 10:01.21 | ericb_ | Coffeebreak, Are you trying to do a network install? |
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| 10:01.27 | vero | jajaja |
| 10:01.28 | fwiw39 | bob2 - so hackers cannot c u |
| 10:01.32 | hexxeh|work | i remember when our ISP started filtering all pings. that was annoying to the extreme. |
| 10:01.32 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 10:01.37 | incorrect | petemc, i think check_by_ssh would be better, |
| 10:01.39 | bob2 | fwiw39: sorry, that's not how it works |
| 10:01.46 | fwiw39 | bob2 - how does it work then |
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| 10:02.00 | vero | I dont understand nothing!!!! |
| 10:02.01 | petemc | incorrect: good for you |
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| 10:02.11 | bob2 | fwiw39: it's hard to explain if you don't understand how the internet works |
| 10:02.19 | poli | vero, #debian-es is the place for you, then. :) |
| 10:02.21 | fwiw39 | i am quite familiar with the intarweb |
| 10:02.28 | fwiw39 | layer 2 3 4 |
| 10:02.29 | fwiw39 | you know |
| 10:02.33 | bob2 | fwiw39: well, apprently not |
| 10:02.36 | moebiuss | hi, i'm looking for the kernel-sources used by the debian package of user-mode-linux, where can I find them? |
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| 10:02.44 | fwiw39 | bob2: please teach me then |
| 10:02.48 | fwiw39 | i am willing to learn |
| 10:02.57 | moebiuss | i need them in order to compile some applications inside uml |
| 10:03.01 | jethro | the intarweb |
| 10:03.10 | jethro | what stupid name |
| 10:03.13 | vero | bye, thank you poli |
| 10:03.15 | fwiw39 | teh intarweb |
| 10:03.19 | jethro | !intarweb |
| 10:03.24 | liable | best place to ask about wvdial probs? |
| 10:03.27 | poli | vero, good luck |
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| 10:03.36 | jethro | dpkg: intarweb is how tards call the internet |
| 10:03.36 | dpkg | jethro: okay |
| 10:03.47 | fwiw39 | so bob2: why would dropping pings make a router INVISIBLE to hackers? |
| 10:03.56 | jethro | omg |
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| 10:04.09 | fwiw39 | bob2: you're saying that's not true |
| 10:04.12 | jethro | fwiw39: because hackers only use ping to probe hosts |
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| 10:04.15 | jethro | haha |
| 10:04.18 | jethro | !pal fwiw39 |
| 10:04.31 | fwiw39 | :) |
| 10:04.39 | cast | and tards is how.. |
| 10:04.42 | bob2 | fwiw39: dude, you don't understand enough to understand the explanation |
| 10:04.50 | fwiw39 | i scored a 1600 on the SAT |
| 10:04.51 | bob2 | go read a basic networking book or something |
| 10:04.54 | jethro | wow |
| 10:04.57 | fwiw39 | i already read tanenbaum |
| 10:05.00 | bob2 | I have no idea what that means |
| 10:05.00 | jethro | !win fwiw39 |
| 10:05.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, fwiw39! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 10:05.07 | fwiw39 | :/ |
| 10:05.14 | ericb_ | Nova Scotie? |
| 10:05.17 | xophEr | where to look if I want to monitor my cpu-temperature? |
| 10:05.18 | jethro | yeah |
| 10:05.22 | jethro | whatever it is |
| 10:05.28 | fwiw39 | bob2: please just tell me, i'm actually curious |
| 10:05.32 | jm_ | xophEr: lm-sensors |
| 10:05.33 | CoffeeBreaks | if I knew where choose-mirror stored its information I could go and modify it by hand |
| 10:05.33 | poli | fwiw39, tanenbaums is probably all you need to understand this. |
| 10:05.34 | Ronin | canadian atlantic province jethro |
| 10:05.38 | jethro | fwiw39 WONT BE ABLE TO TELL US SINCE IT4S A ONE WAY |
| 10:05.43 | jethro | oops |
| 10:05.45 | jethro | damn caps |
| 10:05.48 | xophEr | jm_, thanks |
| 10:05.49 | bob2 | fwiw39: you realise your router will reply to other things than just pings, right? |
| 10:05.54 | fwiw39 | bob2: yes |
| 10:05.59 | ericb_ | xophEr, must be tool available in archive to monitor cpu temp |
| 10:06.01 | bob2 | fwiw39: e.g. if you have any ports forwarded, they are visible |
| 10:06.03 | jethro | fwiw39: what happens when TTL = 0 ? |
| 10:06.08 | liable | xophEr: or /proc/acpi |
| 10:06.14 | bob2 | fwiw39: or using ICMP please fragment tests |
| 10:06.22 | bob2 | or what jethro said |
| 10:06.24 | jethro | :) |
| 10:06.24 | fwiw39 | if time to live is 0 it keeps going |
| 10:06.28 | jethro | yeah |
| 10:06.30 | poli | fwiw39, are you sure you the "computer network" one and not the "Modern Operating Systems"? :) Just checking. :) |
| 10:06.32 | bob2 | ttl 1 then |
| 10:06.33 | xophEr | ericb_, what do you mean by that? |
| 10:06.33 | jethro | it keeps going .. |
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| 10:06.37 | fwiw39 | lol poli |
| 10:06.44 | fwiw39 | yeah, Computer Networks by Tanenbaum 3rd ed |
| 10:06.52 | paulswm | jethro: you're French? |
| 10:06.59 | jethro | paulswm: I am, yes |
| 10:07.01 | fwiw39 | it's a funny book |
| 10:07.05 | ericb_ | xophEr, do you use aptitude, there must be something in their to monitor cpu temp |
| 10:07.05 | fwiw39 | he's a good writer and funny guy |
| 10:07.12 | jethro | paulswm: I hope you don't mind :) |
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| 10:07.18 | ram_einstein | that's it I'm mad |
| 10:07.19 | holycow | fwiw39, the reason they aren't giving you whole answers is because the question you are asking requires books and books of explanations, examples and a long time to study and master |
| 10:07.29 | ericb_ | xophEr: If I knew of one specifically I would tell you |
| 10:07.30 | faber2 | can i trigger external scripts with mysql 5.0 stored procedures? or at least read/write files? |
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| 10:07.34 | paulswm | jethro: Didn't know or didn't remember that, your English is good |
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| 10:07.37 | fwiw39 | holy: ah, i see. RTFM :) |
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| 10:07.45 | ram_einstein | listen eveyone, I'm a new user and I've just wasted my morning tring to set up debian |
| 10:07.55 | holycow | fwiw39, *nod* there just is no simple answer right |
| 10:08.01 | PerfDave | ram_einstein: Oh, you haven't wasted it. that which does not kill you makes you stronger ;) |
| 10:08.03 | jethro | paulswm: thanks, I feel I lack words though, and feel frustrated sometimes, not being able to express how I d like to |
| 10:08.03 | ram_einstein | I downloaded sarge-i386-1.iso and installed it with great difficulty |
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| 10:08.10 | ericb_ | the french have some wicked ghettos for immigrants, thanks to god I am in Canada |
| 10:08.19 | cast | ram_einstein: ahh well, perhaps you should have spent that time with your wife :> |
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| 10:08.23 | jethro | ericb_: stfu, you don't know what you're talking about |
| 10:08.29 | ram_einstein | I'm at the verge of wiping it PerfDave |
| 10:08.41 | ram_einstein | cast, please mind your language |
| 10:08.44 | poli | ram_einstein, apt-get install kdm :) |
| 10:08.52 | ericb_ | jethro, I heard in france they don't let darkies into social clubs |
| 10:08.52 | CoffeeBreaks | I wonder if the issue could be in choose-mirror |
| 10:08.54 | PerfDave | ram_einstein: That'd be a shame. Why don't you tell us what problem you're having, and we might be able to help you. |
| 10:08.55 | poli | ram_einstein, or apt-get install gdm |
| 10:08.57 | fwiw39 | Gentlemen...could computers be the NEW MAGIC? In old days, they used eye of newt and hair of pig to achieve spells, to turn lead to gold. In modern days...computers are the new magic, and manuals are the new spell books. There are good wizards and evil wizards, and magic novices and magic experts. Computers are the new true magic, my gentlemen. |
| 10:08.58 | ericb_ | like bars |
| 10:09.01 | jethro | ericb_: that's bullshit |
| 10:09.03 | ram_einstein | now, it started with this stupid console |
| 10:09.08 | bob2 | fwiw39: please don't paste shit in here |
| 10:09.14 | fwiw39 | I didn't paste that |
| 10:09.15 | CoffeeBreaks | line 345 it says: /* Don't set the suite if the question already has a value, to allow for preseeding. */ |
| 10:09.16 | fwiw39 | I just wrote it |
| 10:09.19 | jm_ | I don't think it's console that's stupid in that case ;) |
| 10:09.19 | jethro | ericb_: they don't let vandals in, n omatter your skin color |
| 10:09.21 | ericb_ | jethro, its true, I don't have any first hand experience |
| 10:09.29 | CoffeeBreaks | I guess that's why it's not taking my mirror |
| 10:09.30 | ram_einstein | my problem is I did apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 10:09.30 | bob2 | fwiw39: then take it somewhere more approriate |
| 10:09.32 | PerfDave | fwiw39: See Arthur C Clarke. Sufficiently advanced technology and all that. |
| 10:09.33 | fwiw39 | Bob2 - dont you think computers are the new magic? |
| 10:09.35 | ram_einstein | and startx doesn't work |
| 10:09.37 | bob2 | fwiw39: no |
| 10:09.39 | holycow | fwiw39, heh, thats not a bad analogy for most peopel |
| 10:09.43 | holycow | people |
| 10:09.43 | ram_einstein | poli, I'll try that too |
| 10:09.50 | jethro | ericb_: believe me, I live in france, and have a few arab/black friends, and I m used to go to clubs with them |
| 10:09.51 | paulswm | fwiw39: Not magic, magic doesn't work, computers do |
| 10:09.55 | bob2 | fwiw39: what PerfDave said |
| 10:09.58 | fwiw39 | holy: it's true, because most people don't understand computers too much. it's just like magic to them |
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| 10:09.59 | PerfDave | ram_einstein: In what way does startx not work? |
| 10:10.00 | ericb_ | jethro: I saw some footage of some ghettos in france on the BBC, woow, US has just as bad though, Canada is nicer |
| 10:10.01 | liable | pissing me off, every time I go to a hotel, wvdial turns gay and I have to use windows :( cant find the prob |
| 10:10.03 | jethro | ericb_: and we never get a single problem, just because of the color |
| 10:10.06 | poli | ram_einstein, try X -probeonly and tell us if you see any errors. |
| 10:10.09 | ericb_ | Jethro, but no jobs in Canada |
| 10:10.10 | ram_einstein | I don't know! to hell |
| 10:10.11 | jethro | ericb_: this is all FUD |
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| 10:10.19 | holycow | fwiw39, indeed, particularly of the windows persuasion |
| 10:10.26 | ericb_ | jethro, FUD |
| 10:10.26 | ram_einstein | no PerfDave and poli there's no program like that |
| 10:10.32 | ram_einstein | bash could not find command |
| 10:10.37 | ram_einstein | Boohbah, u listening? |
| 10:10.43 | poli | ram_einstein, which X does not return you anything? |
| 10:10.47 | ericb_ | I have family relative in France, they never complained, its a nice country |
| 10:10.52 | fwiw39 | linux in the ghetto |
| 10:11.05 | ram_einstein | startx- bash command not found |
| 10:11.07 | ericb_ | whats FUD |
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| 10:11.13 | ram_einstein | poli, startx |
| 10:11.15 | PerfDave | ram_einstein: Thank you for giving us an error message we can cope with. |
| 10:11.19 | bob2 | ram_einstein: then install it...it's in the x-window-system-core package. |
| 10:11.19 | fwiw39 | linux thugs. riding on dubs. instead of the dvd headrests they got them all tricked out with slackware distros up in that B |
| 10:11.21 | jethro | dpkg: fud is <reply> [FUD] FUD |
| 10:11.21 | jethro | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. |
| 10:11.21 | dpkg | ...but fud is already something else... |
| 10:11.26 | jethro | damn |
| 10:11.33 | ram_einstein | thanks bob2! |
| 10:11.40 | ram_einstein | I thought it was installed with gnome |
| 10:11.41 | holycow | ericb_, i've wanted to visit france for the longest time, seems like a fascinating country |
| 10:11.44 | poli | ram_einstein, please type in that line I told you X -probeonly |
| 10:11.51 | ram_einstein | gnome can't run without startx |
| 10:12.00 | ram_einstein | poli, okay, I'll try that too |
| 10:12.11 | jethro | !tell ericb_ -about fud |
| 10:12.27 | Delph | ram_einstein: yes it can. |
| 10:12.38 | liable | !abuse wvdial |
| 10:12.39 | dpkg | wvdial: Your type *really* makes me puke! |
| 10:12.45 | Delph | ram_einstein: you can run gnome on machine 1 and your X server on machine 2, and forward between them. |
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| 10:12.52 | ericb_ | jethro, footage of ghettos is not FUD |
| 10:13.06 | joe|code | whats the most recent version for Gnome available for Debian? |
| 10:13.06 | e_mpika | hallo |
| 10:13.17 | ericb_ | jethro, ppl saying in France that they do not get admitted in to social clubs isn't FUD |
| 10:13.21 | PerfDave | joe|code: Which version of Debian? :) |
| 10:13.32 | joe|code | Sarge |
| 10:13.34 | fwiw39 | i just want my DOS and dial-up BBS doorgames. |
| 10:13.42 | fwiw39 | modern OS are too frightening to me! |
| 10:13.51 | jethro | ericb_: it is fud, and it is off topic for #debian as well |
| 10:14.00 | fatal_ | joe|code: sarge (and AFAIK sid) has 2.8 .... 2.10 should be available somewhere though, don't know where but I think packaging it is more or less complete. |
| 10:14.03 | ericb_ | jethro, my bad, drop it |
| 10:14.14 | jethro | ericb_: thank you |
| 10:14.25 | joe|code | fatal_, excellent. Thank you. |
| 10:14.31 | ram_einstein | okay Delph |
| 10:14.37 | ram_einstein | thanks all again |
| 10:14.42 | fwiw39 | is there an open source version of VMWARE? |
| 10:14.49 | jethro | fwiw39: BOCHS |
| 10:14.51 | e_mpika | anyone know of any problems i might run into running deb on an imb xseries 255? |
| 10:14.59 | e_mpika | ..off the top of their heads ;) |
| 10:15.08 | fwiw39 | jeth: ncie |
| 10:15.09 | hexxeh|work | e_mpika, what's a 255? |
| 10:15.09 | fwiw39 | nice! |
| 10:15.24 | jethro | !tell fwiw39 -about bochs |
| 10:15.26 | ram_einstein | anyway, I can't keep coming back here for every package/ can you tell me what all to do? pppoeconfig is not a valif package so how to I connect to the net? |
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| 10:15.34 | fatal_ | hexxeh|work: an ibm computer I guess. |
| 10:15.46 | ericb_ | no, he typed imb |
| 10:15.54 | PerfDave | ram_einstein: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:15.55 | e_mpika | http://www5.pc.ibm.com/uk/products.nsf/$wwwPartNumLookup/_P5ATXUK?OpenDocument&sourcesite=esguk |
| 10:16.01 | holycow | fheh i didn't know about bochs, thx jethro |
| 10:16.01 | poli | hexxeh|work, xSeries looks like IBM stuff |
| 10:16.02 | ericb_ | oh ibm |
| 10:16.06 | PerfDave | fwiw39: bochs, qemu |
| 10:16.07 | ram_einstein | that's here PerfDave |
| 10:16.09 | e_mpika | yeah sorry |
| 10:16.11 | ram_einstein | I mean on the console |
| 10:16.13 | holycow | !tell holycow -about bochs |
| 10:16.14 | jethro | holycow: you're welcome |
| 10:16.18 | e_mpika | i said imb instead of IBM :P |
| 10:16.21 | jethro | holycow: you can /msg dpkg bochs too |
| 10:16.25 | PerfDave | ram_einstein: apt-cache search, apt-file. As mentioned in the damn factoid. |
| 10:16.41 | jethro | holycow: no need to !tell me in the chan, use /msg instead :) |
| 10:16.42 | ram_einstein | yeah thanks PerfDave I did that too |
| 10:16.55 | ram_einstein | but how do I know again what the package is called? |
| 10:17.00 | e_mpika | basicly you could run SUSE or Redhat.. but i dont want to, im trying to persuade my boss deb would be fine on it |
| 10:17.04 | hexxeh|work | e_mpika, i can't imagine any particular problems, especially with sarge |
| 10:17.09 | holycow | *nod* gacias |
| 10:17.09 | ram_einstein | I want x, I search for x and I get this huge list |
| 10:17.22 | hexxeh|work | ram_einstein, i told you x-window-system _HOW_ long ago? |
| 10:17.25 | fwiw39 | So is there any type of productivity/security software that isn't available in open source flavor? The only thing you can't get open source are games like Half_life2, eh? |
| 10:17.30 | poli | e_mpika, if it is a PC and runs RedHar and Suse, it runs Debian better. ;) |
| 10:17.43 | jethro | fwiw39: you can run hl2 on linux |
| 10:17.43 | ram_einstein | yes hexxeh|work bu someone else told me x comes with gnome |
| 10:17.51 | hexxeh|work | ram_einstein, they are wrong. |
| 10:17.56 | ram_einstein | and sorry hexx |
| 10:18.03 | ericb_ | fwiw39: Java web somthing majug isn't open source, so no online movie trailers |
| 10:18.09 | poli | fwiw39, you have some open source games, right... freeciv, for example. :) |
| 10:18.11 | hexxeh|work | ram_einstein, you don't need xfree86 to run gnome, as you could run it on a remote x-server with ssh X forwarding |
| 10:18.11 | jethro | !sing monday |
| 10:18.12 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 10:18.12 | e_mpika | lol @ poli |
| 10:18.13 | ram_einstein | what else so I need? |
| 10:18.31 | ram_einstein | don't jargon hexxeh|work I don't understand |
| 10:18.54 | holycow | ram_einstein, you also need to apt-get install gdm after you install what hexxeh|work told you |
| 10:18.56 | hexxeh|work | ram_einstein, oka, in simple language. type "apt-get install x-window-system" in a root console. |
| 10:19.01 | hexxeh|work | yeah, gdm is nice |
| 10:19.10 | poli | He did really cry and leave? That's a first. |
| 10:19.20 | gnube | what is RCS called in debian? dpkg does not list RCS |
| 10:19.34 | fwiw39 | so basically you can get all your productivit software in open source form. you'll only have to pay for PCs and games |
| 10:19.40 | TinoW | gnube: RCS? the good old rcs? |
| 10:19.43 | hexxeh|work | fwiw39, apt-get install quake2 |
| 10:19.47 | fwiw39 | lol |
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| 10:19.52 | gnube | TinoW, Yep! |
| 10:19.55 | hexxeh|work | !info quake2 |
| 10:19.56 | dpkg | quake2: (improved version of id Software's Quake II engine), section contrib/games, is optional. Version: 1:0.3-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 1249 kB, Installed size: 3032 kB |
| 10:20.02 | poli | gnube, rcs |
| 10:20.02 | gnube | Beats CVS anyday |
| 10:20.03 | fwiw39 | quake2...the grappling hook was lame, but crackwhore was nice |
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| 10:20.05 | holycow | fwiw39, i havent used a windows machine in over a year now |
| 10:20.08 | poli | gnube, apt-get install rcs |
| 10:20.15 | TinoW | gnube: do people really work with it? I'd recomment cvs or svn |
| 10:20.34 | fwiw39 | holy: but do you use any commercial software in linux? |
| 10:20.35 | gnube | dpkg -l rcs reveals nothing |
| 10:20.36 | dpkg | No packages found matching rcs reveals nothing |
| 10:20.50 | jethro | heh |
| 10:20.55 | huron_ | hi all, a little bit off topic ... but do you guys have any advice for mobile computers that support simultaneous lcd & vga output under linux ? |
| 10:20.58 | paulswm | gnube: that's becuase dpkg -l only lists installed packages |
| 10:20.59 | holycow | fwiw39, only vmware, i havent found anything i can't do with debian |
| 10:21.11 | gnube | guh |
| 10:21.14 | TinoW | gnube: apt-cache show or apt-cache search btw. |
| 10:21.17 | fwiw39 | holy: why not use bochs or qemu instead of vmware? |
| 10:21.18 | poli | gnube, dpkg lists installed packages |
| 10:21.18 | fatal_ | there's lots of commercial software in debian.... mysql for example.. |
| 10:21.21 | gnube | heh |
| 10:21.23 | paulswm | gnube: man apt-cache, look for search and show |
| 10:21.35 | holycow | maybe if i did video editing or 3d animation or somethign like that i would need more commercial soft, but otherwise, most things are adequate for my needs |
| 10:21.36 | fatal_ | ..unless you define "commercial" as "closed source". |
| 10:21.43 | poli | huron_, I am happy with my toshiba satellite. |
| 10:21.51 | PerfDave | "commercial software" and "dsfg software" are not mutually exclusive. |
| 10:22.10 | huron_ | poli: you can have vga & lcd output at the same time ? |
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| 10:22.24 | poli | huron_, I use it for presentations, yes. |
| 10:22.26 | paulswm | !prize PerfDave |
| 10:22.35 | huron_ | poli: what model ? |
| 10:23.19 | poli | huron_, got me, but it is the third toshiba I own and never had complains. Well, the first one didn't have X support at first, but wasn't that difficult to get it working. |
| 10:23.23 | ericb_ | whats a decent mail client for linux thats similar to outlook? |
| 10:23.35 | ericb_ | vs mutt |
| 10:23.39 | gnube | TinoW, Why would you recommend usage of CVS or SVN? Sometimes they are overkill IMHO |
| 10:23.39 | poli | ericb_, thunderbird or evolution are good bets |
| 10:23.45 | paulswm | ericb_: Thunderbird or evolution |
| 10:23.46 | huron_ | ericb__: kmail |
| 10:23.49 | paulswm | Heh |
| 10:23.51 | poli | ericb_, as in mozilla thunderbird |
| 10:23.58 | ericb_ | debs evolution deosn support ssl |
| 10:24.01 | IDC | i run 'dpkg -l sendmail' says 'un sendmail ',but in /usr/sbin/ there is one 'sendmail',what is going on ? |
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| 10:24.13 | Arafangion | Gnea, In what situation? |
| 10:24.16 | moebiuss | hi, i'm looking for the kernel-sources used by the debian package of user-mode-linux, where can I find them? |
| 10:24.17 | PerfDave | IDC: All MTAs provide a binary called "sendmail". |
| 10:24.19 | jethro | IDC: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 10:24.20 | poli | ericb_, I use evolution with ssl on sid. |
| 10:24.22 | huron_ | poli: thx a lot, I think I'll go to my local store with my knoppix cd and try it out ! |
| 10:24.31 | rmbruijn | Is there also an unstable installation cd? |
| 10:24.32 | Gathond | IDC: your MTA probably provides a /sbin/sendmail for compatability |
| 10:24.35 | ericb_ | poli, I am gonna try it again, brb |
| 10:24.35 | Arafangion | gnube, In what situation? |
| 10:24.38 | poli | huron_, That is all I recommend Knoppix for! ;) |
| 10:24.46 | huron_ | poli: me too ;-) |
| 10:24.51 | IDC | jethro, /usr/sbin/sendm not found |
| 10:25.01 | huron_ | poli: but that's useful though |
| 10:25.02 | gnube | Arafangion, For simple config files, like saving a working version of httpd.conf |
| 10:25.02 | jethro | IDC: spell it right |
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| 10:25.19 | lindi- | moebiuss: you can always do "apt-get source" for any package |
| 10:25.20 | poli | huron_, I have had toshibas for more than 10 years... nothing more than HD failures. |
| 10:25.23 | Arafangion | gnube, Indeed. I just use a rotating backup. |
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| 10:25.43 | gnube | so you make a .bak file or something similar? |
| 10:25.51 | IDC | jethro, ? |
| 10:25.54 | poli | gnube, I have had a long time searching for good ways to keep /etc under version control... |
| 10:25.55 | ericb_ | yesterday I spent all day trying to get a mail client on linux working with gmail, but no luck, I just don' tunderstand linux. i like gui's like aptitude |
| 10:26.09 | gnube | Arafangion, so you make a .bak file or something similar? |
| 10:26.21 | IDC | dpkg: cannot find /usr/sbin/sendm. |
| 10:26.23 | Arafangion | gnube, Nah, I just copy the entire thing recursively. |
| 10:26.30 | jethro | IDC: saje3% dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail --> postfix: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 10:26.35 | jethro | IDC: that's what I get |
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| 10:26.39 | poli | Arafangion, try #arch now... ;) |
| 10:26.43 | holycow | ericb_, what you you mean gmail? gmail has a webinterface only? |
| 10:26.45 | ericb_ | To use gmail pop3 services, I must use evolution in conjuction with fetchmail |
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| 10:26.55 | jethro | IDC: fucking type that sendmail and not sendm |
| 10:26.59 | Arafangion | poli, arch is _really_ overkill. |
| 10:27.00 | poli | ericb_, holycow, gmail need SSLs |
| 10:27.02 | _ch0de_ | can someone give me some help on useing cedega/point2play?,i downloaded it via bittorent and set it up, but it says i need to register, can i bypass that? |
| 10:27.06 | IDC | jethro, i cannot paste it to here because i changed my locale |
| 10:27.08 | holycow | poli, ah |
| 10:27.08 | ericb_ | holycow, my system run webservers slow |
| 10:27.11 | gnube | How is arcj? |
| 10:27.18 | gnube | excuse me, arch |
| 10:27.19 | PerfDave | _ch0de_: Cedega is not Free or free, AFAIK. |
| 10:27.23 | ericb_ | holycow, my system run web browsers slow, except for dillo which can't do https |
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| 10:27.31 | _ch0de_ | damn |
| 10:27.33 | IDC | jethro, oh,sorry :D lol |
| 10:27.38 | jethro | !lart IDC |
| 10:27.43 | IDC | ok,it says exim: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 10:27.45 | poli | Arafangion, For keeping entire /etc under production? I spent a lot of time to come out with this solution... and it started working right only since last week, with extended permissions. Try it, I do recommend. |
| 10:27.48 | jethro | niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice |
| 10:27.50 | hexxeh|work | _ch0de_, take the piracy elsewhere please |
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| 10:27.58 | holycow | ericb_, if you system runs web browsers slowly, i don't think your going to have much luck with any other app either |
| 10:27.59 | ericb_ | poli, yeah, so I need to use evolution, plus what? |
| 10:28.05 | IDC | jethro, any idea ? |
| 10:28.06 | jethro | IDC: see, there's no sendmail installed, just your MTA providing a sendmail replacement binary |
| 10:28.09 | hexxeh|work | _ch0de_, try #omg-1337-w4r35-d00d5 |
| 10:28.11 | holycow | have you tried lynx in the terminal maybe? |
| 10:28.13 | PerfDave | _ch0de_: Just play games with native Linux versions, like UT2k4 and Doom 3 :) |
| 10:28.20 | _ch0de_ | how |
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| 10:28.23 | Arafangion | poli, What was wrong with the "cp" program? ;) |
| 10:28.29 | jethro | IDC: any idea about what?! |
| 10:28.35 | _ch0de_ | i only know how to setp a .deb file |
| 10:28.37 | poli | ericb_, should be enough. Just make the righ config. (I am talking about the version is Sid, I don't know is Sarge has SSL support) |
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| 10:28.44 | hexxeh|work | _ch0de_, you also know how to pirate software |
| 10:28.45 | poli | Arafangion, Doesn't keep history. |
| 10:28.47 | ericb_ | holycow, are you sure, cause my internet connection is fine, is just kde, gnome, don't run well, I removed them and use dillo to surf web great |
| 10:29.03 | gnube | Arafangion, It can be useful to have messages about different versions |
| 10:29.04 | Arafangion | poli, Yes it does, if you also use the 'mv' command :) |
| 10:29.05 | IDC | jethro, well,because a forum program by default it auto calls sendmail to do the email jobs ... so i should install sendmail and this will affect to the current settings on exim ? |
| 10:29.07 | holycow | ericb_, how old is your system? |
| 10:29.10 | ericb_ | poli, you mean evolution is all I need |
| 10:29.17 | holycow | sounds like your using a p100 |
| 10:29.21 | poli | Arafangion, hey, get acquainted to the new world, dude. ;) |
| 10:29.26 | poli | ericb_, yes |
| 10:29.33 | Arafangion | poli, What new world? |
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| 10:29.34 | ericb_ | holycow, ten years I guess, pentium I MMX. Life in the underclass |
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| 10:29.37 | hexxeh|work | _ch0de_, i'm not inclined to help you with native linux games either, since you'll only have pirated those as well |
| 10:29.37 | gnube | easy there poli |
| 10:29.41 | poli | Arafangion, the arch, svn, git world. |
| 10:29.44 | jethro | IDC: why do you think you have a /usr/sbin/sendmail provided by your MTA? |
| 10:30.02 | holycow | ericb_, yeah kde is going to be slow on that, you need a lightweight desktop environment |
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| 10:30.05 | jethro | IDC: BECAUSE THAT WAY ANY OTHER APP CAN CALL SENDMAIL WITHOUT HAVING TO CARE ABOUT THE ACTUAL MTA IT IS DEALING WITH! |
| 10:30.08 | IDC | jethro, the PHP does this to call sendmail - >/usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i |
| 10:30.09 | Arafangion | poli, I use svn, but I feel it's overkill for my needs. |
| 10:30.11 | holycow | you also need as much ram as you can stuff into that |
| 10:30.14 | gnube | poli, those tools are overkillm unless you are developing the kernel |
| 10:30.17 | ericb_ | holycow, I use fluxbox, its good |
| 10:30.23 | Arafangion | poli, In particular because it requires reeducating users. |
| 10:30.26 | _ch0de_ | all i want is to try some demos out ive downloaded from download.com, but i dont know wtf to do with a .tar.gz file, im used to .deb ones |
| 10:30.28 | holycow | ah okay :) *nod* |
| 10:30.41 | poli | gnube, no they aren't... :) They are available and make production environemnts MUCH better. I use them at home. |
| 10:30.57 | ericb_ | evolution is still loading, there is no light weight option like there is dillo for www browsers |
| 10:31.03 | poli | Arafangion, Not users, administrators. |
| 10:31.09 | hexxeh|work | _ch0de_, you want to try some demos. with pirate software. you can fuck right off with that, i'll say that for free. if you want some genuine linux game demos, that's another matter |
| 10:31.30 | Arafangion | poli, Actually the users have a backup system, and I've just chucked /etc into that ;) |
| 10:31.37 | Arafangion | poli, Although they can't access it. |
| 10:31.38 | gnube | poli people use these systems and people do not like CVS |
| 10:31.41 | IDC | jethro, well,because that forum program offers tool to debug things in using in forum such as email sending stuff like that and since email doesnt work <tested> so i went to the debug mode ,it says " /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i' when i testing it to send an email |
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| 10:31.45 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: woow, whats goin on, I want some awesome Linux games, you know of some |
| 10:31.48 | jethro | IDC: would you prefer your php to test the availability of any sendmail equivalent binary on your fs, or all MTAs provide a sendmail like binary, so that all apps don't have to worry about knowing which MTA they're talking too? |
| 10:32.26 | ericb_ | ch0de, that means fucker in hindi |
| 10:32.26 | IDC | jethro, i m lost |
| 10:32.50 | jethro | IDC: I m bored, so I wont loose you any further |
| 10:32.52 | _ch0de_ | hmmm |
| 10:32.58 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, doom 1, 2, 3, unreal tournament, ut2003, ut2004, quake 1, 2, 3, darwinia, uplink, return to castle wolfenstein, wolfenstein enemy territory. those are the ones i can think of, off the top of my head, as available for purcvhase in stores today |
| 10:33.01 | poli | Arafangion, gnube, If you have multiple servers like I do, and you have multiple people that are able to configure then and make crap things on configurations, you would be VERY thankful to have /etc under version control. Trust me, I have saved an incredible amount of time because of this. |
| 10:33.01 | IDC | jethro, i mean,maybe in this matter 'sendmail' is just a frontend based on exim ? |
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| 10:33.10 | jethro | IDC: exactly |
| 10:33.30 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: what about some cool games in debian archive, whats the best |
| 10:33.31 | Arafangion | poli, So, a daily rotation that feeds into a monthy rotation isn't good enough? |
| 10:33.40 | poli | Arafangion, gnube and... considering that tla uses less then 5 MB... I don't think is it a overkill. |
| 10:33.40 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, neverball |
| 10:33.50 | _ch0de_ | can i download game demos in a .deb form? |
| 10:33.55 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: cool, I will try that one |
| 10:33.55 | Arafangion | poli, It's not the size I'm worried about. |
| 10:33.56 | holycow | neverball is awesome |
| 10:33.57 | IDC | jethro, i see,so i should reconfig exim,i do remember i configured it as only sending/receiving emails in local |
| 10:34.00 | Arafangion | poli, It's the automation. |
| 10:34.11 | poli | Arafangion, Can you tell who made the mistake and teaches him the right thing to do, having the configuration file running back instantly? |
| 10:34.13 | holycow | theres a bunch of really really good free games, but not many for obvious reasons |
| 10:34.26 | IDC | jethro, Thanks :) |
| 10:34.32 | hexxeh|work | _ch0de_, you can apt-get install quake2, but that's about it for .deb-based linux games. |
| 10:34.34 | jethro | IDC: you're welcome |
| 10:34.36 | poli | Arafangion, then, yes. |
| 10:34.41 | hexxeh|work | _ch0de_, most linux games use loki_setup |
| 10:34.41 | jethro | IDC: sorry I went shouting |
| 10:34.46 | _ch0de_ | they do? |
| 10:34.47 | IDC | Np |
| 10:35.00 | Arafangion | poli, Why do you have such a complicated environment? |
| 10:35.03 | poli | Arafangion, I have seen so many recurring mistakes in iptables configs that I have lost count. |
| 10:35.14 | Arafangion | poli, That's why I like shorewall. |
| 10:35.14 | hexxeh|work | _ch0de_, you wouldn;t know, since you're trying to pirate windows games with pirate cedega, but yes. |
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| 10:35.27 | gnube | poli that does seem complicate, but I am sure you know what you are doing. |
| 10:35.39 | poli | Arafangion, 1500 computers, divided into priviledged and unpriviledged installations, within 5 sites and 10 links between them. |
| 10:36.01 | poli | Arafangion, but I do that at home too. :) |
| 10:36.03 | _ch0de_ | i like it when qake 2 asked me if i had the game on cd(so i could have the full version), i have the oririganl quake3 cd thow, and it would be cool if there was a quake3.deb that let me do that also |
| 10:36.18 | hexxeh|work | _ch0de_, quake 3 is not open-source yet. |
| 10:36.19 | holycow | poli, cool, all debian? |
| 10:36.23 | Arafangion | poli, And what happens when the svn database goes down? |
| 10:36.30 | poli | holycow, the servers are all debian now. :) |
| 10:36.38 | holycow | poli, nice :) |
| 10:36.43 | _ch0de_ | even thow i have the full windows version(legally), i cant use it on linux with any program? |
| 10:36.48 | ericb_ | ssl is not supported in my version of evolution :( and evolution is so heavy |
| 10:36.50 | _ch0de_ | withot haveing to pay again? |
| 10:36.55 | poli | Arafangion, svn can't handle permissions right. You need svk or arch. |
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| 10:37.08 | hexxeh|work | _ch0de_, if you want to play quake 3, download the latest installer from ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/linux/ and run it with "sh linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run" |
| 10:37.19 | gnube | poli, which do you use then, CVS or arch? |
| 10:37.27 | _ch0de_ | and it will ask for my quake 3 cd or anything? |
| 10:37.39 | hexxeh|work | _ch0de_, it will, yes |
| 10:38.05 | poli | gnube, CVS doesn't support permissions and ownership either. Arch started supporting last week. I have just finished the testing enviroment, will start the implementation process next week. |
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| 10:38.50 | ram_einstein | my last words before I leave... |
| 10:38.57 | _ch0de_ | i already downloaded that one time before, all it did was open itself up ina text editor from my hard drive |
| 10:38.58 | ram_einstein | startx hung my computer |
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| 10:39.01 | poli | ram_einstein, did you get it working? |
| 10:39.09 | gnube | poli, I see. I will have to go out and learn it then. I will keep my trusty RCS on the production server until I feel comfortable. |
| 10:39.13 | poli | ram_einstein, Oh X -probeonly and find out the error |
| 10:39.13 | ram_einstein | I hate debian that's it |
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| 10:39.30 | ericb_ | ram_einstein: I thought you left already, did you do "apt-get install x-window-system"? |
| 10:39.31 | poli | Poor ram_einstein |
| 10:39.35 | PerfDave | wow, that ram_einstein is a whiny bugger. |
| 10:39.35 | Switched | _ch0de_, don't click it, type "sh filename.run" |
| 10:39.50 | hexxeh|work | _ch0de_, pinkware error. i gave you the _EXACT_ command to run |
| 10:39.57 | _ch0de_ | lol ok |
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| 10:40.13 | ericb_ | neverball isn't in the apt-get cache |
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| 10:40.29 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: no luck with neverball |
| 10:40.32 | cisno | hi everybody! i could use some help with X |
| 10:40.43 | ericb_ | woohoo! |
| 10:40.48 | poli | gnube, I would recommend you to start looking at arch or svn. CVS is by far the most supported in IDEs and such, so, it is very hard to change there. But all other applications can benefit from arch or svn. |
| 10:40.59 | hexxeh|work | !info neverball |
| 10:41.04 | dpkg | neverball: (3D arcade games: neverball & neverputt), section games, is optional. Version: 1.4.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 176 kB, Installed size: 468 kB |
| 10:41.11 | cisno | i cannot log in |
| 10:41.34 | PerfDave | cisno: Where can you not log in, and what happens when you try? |
| 10:41.44 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: I can't handle any 3d games here anyway, do you know of any light arcade games |
| 10:41.57 | PerfDave | ericb_: Supertux! :) |
| 10:41.58 | _joey | is anyone using shorewall at all ? |
| 10:42.03 | ericb_ | what about poll position |
| 10:42.05 | rj_ | anyone know where to find daily wine cvs debs? |
| 10:42.16 | rj_ | http://gluck.debian.org/~andreas/debian/ is gone :( |
| 10:42.17 | ericb_ | perfdave, supertux, I don't like it |
| 10:42.24 | gnube | poli, thanks I will look into both. I have some experience with CVS but it is mostly negative |
| 10:42.38 | ericb_ | I remember amiga 2000 has some wicked games |
| 10:42.45 | PerfDave | !tell cisno -about msg |
| 10:42.55 | gnube | Does anyone use logwatch with debian? Or something similar to watch log files and then send them to the admin? |
| 10:43.07 | holycow | btw, i anyone wants to cheat at neverball, the preferences are in ~/.neverball |
| 10:43.15 | poli | gnube, CVS is okay for most applications, but limited. |
| 10:43.18 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, pingus? |
| 10:43.31 | gnube | I was rooted recently (on a redhat machine) and I do not want that to happen again. |
| 10:44.00 | holycow | you need more than logwatch to protect against that |
| 10:44.14 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: L finished that games already. Most linux games are pretty easy to finish. Xjump is complete oposite though, I think I've tried most of the games, |
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| 10:44.31 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, okay, apt-get install beneathasteelsky |
| 10:44.36 | hexxeh|work | !info beneathasteelsky |
| 10:44.42 | hexxeh|work | hmph |
| 10:44.46 | hexxeh|work | !info beneath-a-steel-sky |
| 10:44.48 | dpkg | beneath-a-steel-sky: (a science fiction adventure game), section games, is optional. Version: 0.0368-3 (sid), Packaged size: 67691 kB, Installed size: 70932 kB |
| 10:44.52 | hexxeh|work | that's better |
| 10:45.11 | cast | any smart ideas on dvd backup plan? going to be maybe up to 4 dvds worth of data, i was just going to cpio home and split/growisofs :x |
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| 10:45.24 | streuner_ | wow, 68 Mb |
| 10:45.31 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: I've never really been into those type of games, I just like arcade games, not planning and plotting and building, accept for pingus, pingus rules |
| 10:45.36 | hexxeh|work | well, that's a talkie... |
| 10:45.53 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: I am gonna go check it out anyway, |
| 10:46.10 | _ch0de_ | chris@1[~]$ sh linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run |
| 10:46.11 | _ch0de_ | Verifying archive integrity... All good. |
| 10:46.11 | _ch0de_ | Uncompressing Quake III Arena Point Release 1.32b................................................................................................................................................. |
| 10:46.11 | _ch0de_ | Signal caught, cleaning up |
| 10:46.11 | _ch0de_ | [1]+ Done Point2Play |
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| 10:46.23 | _joey | fsck fsck |
| 10:46.58 | holycow | 70 megs for steel sky? wow |
| 10:47.03 | _joey | who's using shorewall / |
| 10:47.06 | _joey | nobody?:) |
| 10:47.21 | hexxeh|work | also available: |
| 10:47.27 | hexxeh|work | !info flight-of-the-amazon-queen |
| 10:47.29 | Coke | _joey: plenty of people. |
| 10:47.30 | dpkg | flight-of-the-amazon-queen: (a fantasy adventure game), section games, is optional. Version: 1.0.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 35681 kB, Installed size: 53016 kB |
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| 10:47.48 | cisno | when i try to log in x it whines about missing session managers and terminal emulators |
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| 10:48.06 | cisno | what to doo |
| 10:48.07 | hexxeh|work | cisno, define "log in x", and what have you installed? |
| 10:48.23 | cisno | XFree86 |
| 10:48.24 | ericb_ | where is config file for apt-get again, should I delete the entries that apt-get update shows to be dead |
| 10:49.18 | cisno | only terminals work |
| 10:49.24 | poli | 1info freeciv |
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| 10:49.24 | hexxeh|work | cisno, there is no package in debian called "xfree86", and you can't "log in xfree86". either give helpful, accurate information or bugger off, you can't be helped with the current information you're giving |
| 10:49.29 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: I can't find beneath-a steel-sky, is it spelled correct |
| 10:49.30 | poli | !info freeciv |
| 10:49.33 | dpkg | freeciv: (transitional dummy package which can be safely removed), section games, is optional. Version: 2.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 10:49.45 | poli | Name changed? |
| 10:49.49 | cinix | Does anyone know why my /dev/dsp* devices may have disapeared |
| 10:49.51 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, which version of debian are you running? |
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| 10:50.34 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: 2.2 |
| 10:50.49 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: but isn't the archive the same regardless of my linux version |
| 10:50.53 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, debian 2.2? potato? |
| 10:51.27 | poli | hum... haven't seen a potato in some time... actually A LOT OF TIME. |
| 10:51.32 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: I think its woody but how can I be sure |
| 10:51.38 | _joey | Coke including yourself ? |
| 10:51.41 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:51.58 | boycer | ericb_: "kernel version" ne "debian version"... |
| 10:51.59 | cisno | ok, here's the story: i start the computer, then i get the login screen and there it stops and complains about missing stuff |
| 10:51.59 | Coke | _joey: that was your second question, why don't you ask one more question and try to make it a relevant one? |
| 10:52.01 | _joey | Coke does shorewall support layer7 extension ? |
| 10:52.02 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: say 3.0 |
| 10:52.05 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, there is absolutely _nothing_ of any useful value whatsoever that woody can offer you as a desktop os |
| 10:52.09 | poli | ericb_, woody |
| 10:52.16 | Coke | _joey: that should have been your initial question to the entire channel. |
| 10:52.28 | _joey | Coke don't troll |
| 10:52.29 | ericb_ | How do I find out if its woody? |
| 10:52.35 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, 3.0 means woody |
| 10:52.35 | _joey | if you don't know the answer;) |
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| 10:53.17 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, the reason you have no neverball, beneath a steel sky, etc packages, is woody doesn't HAVE them. if in doubt, woody doesn't have it. especially if it daTES FROM AFTER THE START OF 2002 |
| 10:53.39 | poli | _joey, you should probably have googled before asking, then... ;) |
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| 10:53.46 | _joey | I have |
| 10:53.47 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: I don't wanna upgrade my kernel |
| 10:53.48 | Coke | _joey: easier than google; apt-cache search layer7 |
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| 10:53.56 | _joey | what's that ? |
| 10:54.03 | _joey | I don't need to install it |
| 10:54.08 | _joey | :) |
| 10:54.10 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: my machine is old anyway |
| 10:54.15 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, any particular reason? and your kernel isn't being discussed here |
| 10:54.17 | _joey | Coke thanks for your help :) |
| 10:55.00 | Coke | _joey: anyway, shorewall seems to be all iptables/ipfilter |
| 10:55.17 | _joey | what do you think layer7 is ? |
| 10:55.38 | _joey | iptables extension, a part of netfilter that comes as module in kernel |
| 10:55.46 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: it just seems to be a risky endeaver for little gain, my system works fine as it is, and I spent all day yesterday installing dillo so I can web browse efficiently now, and I got loads of text editors, its a find desktop |
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| 10:55.57 | poli | _joey, wrong. Layer7 is the Application layer of the OSI model. |
| 10:56.18 | Coke | _joey: I don't think it qualifies as level 7 since it is kernel space, but I don't know for sure |
| 10:56.23 | petemc | its a way of watching what your users are at |
| 10:56.39 | ericb_ | OSI model, I studyied that, what good is that knowledge for using a linux box for me, I can't even get a mail client running |
| 10:56.44 | _joey | wow |
| 10:56.45 | hexxeh|work | ericb_, if you're happy, then fine, but i can't give a word of advice over anything of use which is available for woody, that crap has never worked on a piece of hardware i've owned |
| 10:57.12 | jm_ | Coke: it's a layer 7 classifier |
| 10:57.13 | _joey | a layer 7 of OSI model has actually got C code hosted on sourceforge ;) |
| 10:57.22 | _joey | accodring to poli and Coke |
| 10:57.40 | Coke | _joey: what the heck are you talking about? |
| 10:57.43 | poli | ericb_, Doesn't evolution do the job? Oh... you are on woody, you probably don't get to have an evolution with SSL support. :( |
| 10:57.45 | CoffeeBreaks | I finally managed to install Debian on the beast, but the machine doesn't boot |
| 10:57.47 | ericb_ | hexxeh|work: I did network install and started with woody, I installed sarge too on another machine, and I didn't really notice a difference |
| 10:57.53 | _joey | Coke about your head , how big is it? |
| 10:57.54 | CoffeeBreaks | not sure if it is related to SATA |
| 10:57.59 | ericb_ | poli, evolution doesn't support ssl |
| 10:58.18 | poli | ericb_, it does, but in a later version. Woody uses a version that does not. |
| 10:58.18 | CoffeeBreaks | or maybe to GRUB. the boot complains about the root FS not being found. |
| 10:58.21 | Coke | ericb_: setup a maildir and use fetchmail with exim as a smarthost. |
| 10:58.32 | hexxeh|work | CoffeeBreaks, which version of debian? |
| 10:58.34 | Coke | ericb_: fetchmail can poll with SSL support |
| 10:58.44 | CoffeeBreaks | hexxeh|work: sarge for amd64 |
| 10:58.52 | poli | _joey, if someone used the same name, not my, or OSI's, problem. |
| 10:59.03 | Coke | _joey: big enough to write comprehensive english. |
| 10:59.08 | ericb_ | Coke, I am getting excite, please give me lots of details |
| 10:59.27 | poli | ericb_, You can try a ssh tunnel, too. :) |
| 10:59.31 | ericb_ | Coke, I installed fetchmail, and I tried to configure with fetchmailconf, but it sucks |
| 10:59.44 | Coke | ericb_: ok. configure exim as a smarthost, configure fetchmail and then you're done |
| 11:00.01 | poli | ericb_, lots of options... |
| 11:00.06 | ericb_ | Coke, Ok, stick around please, let me see if I have exim |
| 11:00.23 | Coke | ericb_: yes, I agree that the creators of fetchmail thought the coolness of implementing a pseudo-language for the configuration system had higher priority than usability, but it can be done. |
| 11:00.50 | poli | ericb_, you don't really need exim, just configure evolution to get email from a local file and use your SMTP for sending. |
| 11:00.54 | poli | Coke |
| 11:01.20 | Coke | poli: but that solution sucks because it locks him up with ONE MUA. |
| 11:01.32 | ericb_ | poli, evolution is too heavy on my system anyway, it take 5mins to load |
| 11:01.33 | Coke | poli: with the MTA + fetchmail system you can use _any_ MUA |
| 11:01.43 | poli | Coke, configuring exim could be a problem. |
| 11:01.48 | Coke | poli: it will be. |
| 11:01.57 | CoffeeBreaks | could it be a missing driver for ide related layer? |
| 11:01.59 | poli | Coke, ok. :) |
| 11:02.05 | holycow | heh |
| 11:02.12 | holycow | thx for the tip on beneath-a-steel-sky |
| 11:02.14 | holycow | thats neta |
| 11:02.16 | holycow | neat |
| 11:02.29 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, take a look at boot time and see if the kernel find your IDE controller and harddrives (hda for IDE sda for SCSI) |
| 11:02.31 | Coke | poli: The setup I suggested requires massive knowledge of the technologies in use. |
| 11:02.36 | ericb_ | coke, installation of exim is removing postfix, whats that about |
| 11:02.46 | poli | Coke, I agree. |
| 11:02.53 | CoffeeBreaks | poli: I will try but it boot very fast :) |
| 11:02.59 | Coke | ericb_: you already had an MTA installed, debian only supported one MTA. |
| 11:03.02 | CoffeeBreaks | any way to slow it down? |
| 11:03.24 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, does scroll lock work? (I don't know) |
| 11:04.00 | Coke | ericb_: the setup I suggested to you requires that you know how maildir, smtp and exim works. |
| 11:04.12 | ericb_ | Coke, mta = mail transfer agent? And so I have exim for MTA and fetchmail for something, and now I will also need a frontend like evolution? |
| 11:04.15 | Coke | ericb_: unless you run Debian testing (sarge) you will have to configure it manually. |
| 11:04.20 | poli | Coke, that's why I wouldn't recommend it for a begginer. |
| 11:04.27 | Coke | ericb_: you can use any MUA with that setup. |
| 11:04.43 | ericb_ | Shhit, I already started the process |
| 11:04.43 | ericb_ | man! |
| 11:05.00 | Coke | poli: in the sarge installation you just answer a few questions and exim is done. |
| 11:05.10 | ericb_ | Coke, what exactly does manually configuration entail. I can do it |
| 11:05.20 | Coke | ericb_: is it exim 3? |
| 11:06.03 | holycow | neat/.m,64421684 |
| 11:06.25 | poli | holycow, is this a phone number? |
| 11:06.41 | sobersabre | guys... is it possible to have a NIS server + samba server + nfs server without having NIS users in /etc/passwd ? |
| 11:06.49 | ericb_ | coke, no its just exim is think |
| 11:06.54 | Coke | sobersabre: yes, you can use LDAP, etc. |
| 11:06.57 | sobersabre | ( without being nis client ) |
| 11:07.00 | poli | sobersabre, NIS? Do you really need NIS? |
| 11:07.07 | sobersabre | Coke, and without LDAP ? |
| 11:07.07 | holycow | poli, typo sorry |
| 11:07.13 | Coke | sobersabre: what do you mean? what do you want? |
| 11:07.23 | sobersabre | poli, yes. |
| 11:07.33 | Coke | sobersabre: you can always configure your machine to look at the local files before or instead of the NIS resource. |
| 11:07.33 | poli | sobersabre, not LDAP, but NIS? |
| 11:07.35 | sobersabre | do you think LDAP is faster ? |
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| 11:07.52 | Coke | sobersabre: man nsswitch.conf |
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| 11:07.55 | poli | sobersabre, LDAP is somewhat being recommend by Sun these days. |
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| 11:08.14 | sobersabre | poli, I will transfer to LDAP only in several months |
| 11:08.17 | Coke | sobersabre: LDAP is better if you have huge user databases |
| 11:08.19 | sobersabre | I cannot do this now. |
| 11:08.28 | sobersabre | less than 300 hundred... |
| 11:08.41 | Coke | sobersabre: well, > 10 qualifies it for LDAP IMHO |
| 11:08.46 | poli | sobersabre, 300 hundred = 30 000 ? |
| 11:08.54 | Coke | hehe |
| 11:08.57 | sobersabre | oops/. |
| 11:09.10 | sobersabre | 300 ( 3 hundred ) |
| 11:09.11 | CoffeeBreaks | poli: I do not manage to read the boot messages, and scroll lock doesn't work. |
| 11:09.29 | sobersabre | CoffeeBreaks, are you coming from BSD ? |
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| 11:09.32 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, Do you have a standard IDE controller? Or some serial-ATA, ATA100? |
| 11:09.43 | poli | sobersabre, I sugested the scroll lock earlier. |
| 11:09.59 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, Does Shift-PGUP work? :) |
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| 11:10.35 | sobersabre | Coke, i know how nsswitch works. |
| 11:10.37 | maestro | hallo, |
| 11:10.43 | sobersabre | i just don't know how samba works |
| 11:10.54 | maestro | i have problems with gzip.. it returns a segmentaton fault |
| 11:10.59 | maestro | any ideas? |
| 11:11.09 | poli | sobersabre, there are good hotwtos in samba's site |
| 11:11.10 | maestro | apt-get not working too.. |
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| 11:11.46 | Coke | sobersabre: it has nothing to do with NIS |
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| 11:11.50 | CoffeeBreaks | sobersabre: no. Debian user for a long time. But AMD64 user for the first time. Wonder why you think I am a *BSD user... |
| 11:11.54 | Coke | sobersabre: you were asking questions regarding NIS, right? |
| 11:12.28 | CoffeeBreaks | poli: shift-PGUP doesn't work. Kernel goes into panic mode and I can't do anything with it. Have to hard reset. Happy I didn't install remotely the box... |
| 11:12.30 | sobersabre | CoffeeBreaks, because BSD terminal is using scroll lock for .... muhahah scroll locking. |
| 11:12.37 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, I had a Sun AMD64 for testing some weeks ago... Got it working out of the box. |
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| 11:12.52 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, Can't mount root? |
| 11:12.56 | CoffeeBreaks | poli: nope |
| 11:13.01 | bernouli | hello, my system has less than 4 gb, now i want to make a image of it and burn it on a dvd, so that i can start the system by booting with the dvd, is it possible to do this? |
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| 11:13.10 | CoffeeBreaks | it's probably a driver issue |
| 11:13.21 | CoffeeBreaks | I am supposed to have a nforce4 chipset on it |
| 11:13.22 | sobersabre | Coke, the question is: I have NIS users. I have NIS server being samba+nfs server. i don't want to be NIS client on the NIS server. |
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| 11:13.33 | CoffeeBreaks | it was recognized by the installer |
| 11:13.35 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, well, that is my 2 cents, but I would go with a "regular" i386, get the drivers information and then try the AMD64. |
| 11:14.02 | sobersabre | but i want users to be able to mount their homes from windows clients too. |
| 11:14.04 | sobersabre | hmm... |
| 11:14.07 | kjparker | who was it last nite that said if the sarge upgrade breaks my system that i owe them a dollar? |
| 11:14.12 | kjparker | cause i have to pay them |
| 11:14.13 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:14.17 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, there is one of the few places where knoppix could be useful too ;) |
| 11:14.30 | CoffeeBreaks | poli: could it be a missing kernel module? If I add it manualy, then I may be able to boot |
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| 11:14.36 | ericb_ | coke, you around |
| 11:14.51 | sobersabre | this makes me to conclude I must have users in passwd file. |
| 11:14.52 | CoffeeBreaks | poli: I am looking for my knoppix CD right now |
| 11:14.52 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, possibly a kernel option, I don't know. |
| 11:14.59 | kjparker | on the upside however I now have a functional sarge system... |
| 11:15.02 | kjparker | clean build... |
| 11:15.19 | poli | kjparker, owe someone a dollar? |
| 11:15.26 | poli | kjparker, me, me, it was me. :) |
| 11:15.48 | kjparker | yep. they said that if the dist-upgrade broke my woody system, i owe them a dollar |
| 11:15.48 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:16.15 | kjparker | i now need to battle through configuring my vanilla system.... |
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| 11:16.56 | cast | hmm |
| 11:17.10 | cast | is there a correct way to make a .tar/.cpio that spans multiple pieces of media? |
| 11:17.37 | poli | cast, you mean, multiple partitions? |
| 11:17.40 | ericb_ | Can someone give a good explanation of unix email. Ok, I have postfix or exim, along with fetchmail, and I need a frontend such as evolution? Is that correct? And how to configure them all to work |
| 11:17.45 | nevyn | cast: yes. |
| 11:18.01 | nevyn | sigh. unix email |
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| 11:18.03 | cast | well, say for example over multiple floppy disks, or in my case dvdrw |
| 11:18.35 | PerfDave | ericb_: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
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| 11:18.36 | nevyn | ericb_: basically traditionally unix mail has two parts... a MTA (mail transfer agent) and a MUA (mail user agent) |
| 11:18.46 | poli | ericb_, hum let's see... what Coke suggested you is a very clean, but painful, way of doing what you want. |
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| 11:18.57 | nevyn | poli: and flexible. |
| 11:19.08 | poli | nevyn, and flexible |
| 11:19.14 | kjparker | probably a stupid question, but can I use kde apps on gnome? |
| 11:19.15 | cast | mm @ --io-size=IO-SIZE /me tests |
| 11:19.18 | PerfDave | kjparker: Yes |
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| 11:19.34 | poli | kjparker, yes, you only need the libs. :) |
| 11:19.38 | kjparker | any disadvantages to doing so? |
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| 11:19.57 | PerfDave | kjparker: It may be slightly slower, since you need both KDE and Gnome libraries loaded into memory. |
| 11:20.02 | poli | kjparker, using two sets of libraries could eat some resources, but that's mostly it. |
| 11:20.08 | PerfDave | kjparker: Any reasonable-spec desktop will have no problems though. |
| 11:20.26 | kjparker | hmm, given I am using a celeron 400 notebook with 128mb of ram, i think I better be frugal |
| 11:20.26 | kjparker | :) |
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| 11:20.45 | ericb_ | what desktop environment comes on Sun microstations? |
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| 11:20.53 | kjparker | can anyone recommmend a good gnome based irc client |
| 11:20.56 | poli | ericb_, CDE and noe GNOME |
| 11:20.56 | jm_ | ericb__: GNOME or CDE |
| 11:21.07 | PerfDave | kjparker: irssi! :) |
| 11:21.09 | kjparker | i'm using kvirc right now... |
| 11:21.14 | ericb_ | kjparker, better not use kde or gnome, use fluxbox |
| 11:21.15 | jm_ | you can also use openwindows still AFAIK |
| 11:21.36 | MASoft | kjparker, I'm using x-chat ! it's linux base :P |
| 11:21.43 | poli | ericb_, for your mail problem, try man ssh and create a tunnel to google. There are good HOWTOs. |
| 11:21.47 | kjparker | lol, but I like the look of gnome! |
| 11:21.48 | plugster | Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) when trying to connect |
| 11:21.49 | kjparker | :) |
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| 11:22.05 | MASoft | kjparker, I'm in gnome, too ! |
| 11:22.22 | kjparker | MASoft: yes, but that is console based |
| 11:22.25 | ericb_ | poli, ok |
| 11:22.25 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:22.28 | plugster | hi, the schools server went down on friday, and when it was restarted today, i got an Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) when trying to connect... can someone help me starting it again? |
| 11:22.40 | MASoft | kjparker, so I think u must like Gaim ;) |
| 11:22.51 | kjparker | um, no, amsn actually |
| 11:22.52 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:23.05 | fatal_ | plugster: plugster doesn't seem like the mysql daemon is running. |
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| 11:23.21 | ericb_ | It think msmsn is the biggest security threat these days |
| 11:23.26 | MASoft | kjparker, it's a multiclient ! have IRC and Gnome like ! why u don't like it ? |
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| 11:23.29 | ericb_ | poli, I am off to read then |
| 11:23.30 | poli | ericb_, POP3s port is 995, open a local port, i.e. 995 that connects in tunnel to google's 995, then ask your mail client to use the local port. |
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| 11:23.44 | phogg | plugster: /etc/init.d/mysql start ; then check /var/log/mysql for errors |
| 11:23.52 | plugster | fatel_ i did a /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 11:23.54 | kjparker | MASoft: i only use msn..... i don't use yahoo or any of the others |
| 11:24.01 | Coke | !nm |
| 11:24.01 | dpkg | nm is probably New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 11:24.23 | kjparker | besides amsn is the closest to the "real" thing i have found from a look and feel perspective |
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| 11:24.29 | ericb_ | poli, I have exim my mta, and fetchmail, what do I configure in each and how? I'd better go read I guess I am asking too much |
| 11:24.35 | kjparker | !info firefox |
| 11:24.36 | MASoft | kjparker, ok ! no problem ... so u can use IRC and MSN both in Gaim. is there any problem with this ? |
| 11:24.52 | Ketchup | hello / while installing kde, it stopped and sayed: No more space on device. an idea what i have to do??? |
| 11:24.53 | poli | ericb_, there are two different approaches... |
| 11:24.55 | kjparker | nope, i just don't like gaim |
| 11:24.56 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:25.09 | kjparker | at least i didn't last time i tried it |
| 11:25.56 | poli | ericb_, the one you are currently working on (exim/fetchmail) works by using fetchmail to connect to google and read your messages, delivering them to a local user's mailbox. Then you can use your favorite mail program to read the local mailbox. |
| 11:26.17 | MASoft | kjparker, I don't know any other :P |
| 11:26.33 | PerfDave | Ketchup: Uhm, you've probably run out of space on your hard drive. |
| 11:26.33 | ericb_ | poli, yeah I get that, but what is exim doing then |
| 11:26.36 | kjparker | whats the best way to replace mozilla with firefox? |
| 11:26.37 | CoffeeBreaks | poli: after booting in knoppix, I see that /lib/modules and /lib64/modules do not contain kernel modules.... |
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| 11:26.56 | poli | ericb_, exim needs to be used to deliver the mail to the local user and to send your messages to google, for delivery. |
| 11:26.58 | MASoft | kjparker, the best way is Install it :P |
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| 11:26.59 | faber2 | can i tell wget to not print the progress bar? |
| 11:27.07 | PerfDave | faber2: Yes |
| 11:27.13 | kjparker | i know that when i did a dist upgrade (before i rebuiilt using woody) on my hdd install of knoppix 3.8 it did it for me... |
| 11:27.13 | jm_ | faber2: you have my permission |
| 11:27.19 | Ketchup | perdave: i'm using colinux, so it's a virtual disk, where can i change this?? |
| 11:27.29 | plugster | the log for mysql.error is empty and the syslog does only consist of the can't connect to socekt and cant init databases... |
| 11:27.35 | kjparker | MASoft: but will that remove mozilla? |
| 11:27.36 | PerfDave | Ketchup: No idea. Ask whatever the relevant support is for colinux. |
| 11:27.37 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, you don't have any kernel modules compiled, then... but this isn't necessarily bad, you could have a all-compiled kernel. |
| 11:27.41 | faber2 | perfdave: do you know how? man page gives only 2 alternatives |
| 11:27.46 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, what is your controller? |
| 11:27.49 | ericb_ | poli, I have both exim and fetchmail installed, now what to do? |
| 11:27.57 | PerfDave | faber2: -q or -nv should both do. |
| 11:27.59 | MASoft | kjparker, no ! |
| 11:28.11 | MASoft | kjparker, for remove it use apt-get remove mozilla |
| 11:28.18 | kjparker | but of course! |
| 11:28.26 | poli | ericb_, you have to configure fetchmail to get your emails from google. I don't use fetchmail, I only have a clue on how to do it. There are good howtos, and Coke can always help. |
| 11:28.28 | PerfDave | apt-get --purge remove if you don't want to keep files ;) |
| 11:28.36 | plugster | phogg: no errors in the mysql.error log... |
| 11:28.39 | exerd | i have a problem |
| 11:28.51 | poli | !tell exerd about ask |
| 11:28.54 | exerd | my sound seems to be distorted when i play at max volume in every player |
| 11:29.02 | plugster | phogg: but the syslog says also, can't write to mysql.error ??? |
| 11:29.03 | ericb_ | poli, I will look up for a howto on configuring fetchmail then |
| 11:29.06 | kjparker | hmm, that said it wasn't installed. |
| 11:29.10 | joe|code | The official release of sarge is may 30th correct? |
| 11:29.12 | PerfDave | exerd: That's pretty standard. Don't play at max voulme ;) |
| 11:29.13 | kjparker | i guess it's not simply called mozilla |
| 11:29.14 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:29.30 | exerd | PerfDave, ok so im not alone then =) good to hear =) |
| 11:29.33 | poli | exerd, sounds tend to be distorted in highest volume everywhere I noticed. :) |
| 11:30.30 | exerd | thanks for answes |
| 11:30.30 | poli | exerd, the problem is if it didn't get distorted in windows, i.e. |
| 11:30.30 | MASoft | kjparker, apt-cache search mozilla |
| 11:30.30 | ericb_ | poli, between exim and fetchmail, where does ssl come into the picture, cause when I run fetchmail it say ssl failed |
| 11:30.30 | poli | exerd, that is due to stauration of components |
| 11:30.30 | MASoft | kjparker, find the Mozilla package name first :P |
| 11:30.31 | exerd | poli: okey thank you |
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| 11:30.37 | poli | ericb_, fetchmail is the one that will get the ssl connection going. |
| 11:30.42 | MASoft | kjparker, I don't have Debian now, so I can't find the Mozilla package name |
| 11:30.49 | idealbsd | i want enable clamav scan to exim4 and do as /usr/share/doc/clamav/README.Debian.gz, but which file i should change as "To enable clamav in the Debian exim4 packages, add av_scanner = clamd:/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl to the main configuration settings (a new file under /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/ if split config is being used)", the fils of mine is:01_exim4-config_listmacrosdefs 02_exim4-config_options 03_exim4-config_tlsoptions? and if i add it to exim4.co |
| 11:30.49 | idealbsd | nf.template, exim give error |
| 11:30.52 | exerd | i have another problem. I use the newest fluxbox and now i installed fbpager but i cant see all my open windows in it. =( |
| 11:31.21 | sobersabre | guys... linux question... is linux ready for the exec disable bit ? |
| 11:32.00 | kjparker | can you (or should you) use wildcards? |
| 11:32.05 | MASoft | sobersabre, disable bit ? |
| 11:32.09 | kjparker | ie apt-get remove mozilla* |
| 11:32.26 | lindi- | kjparker: that might hit files that happen to be in the directory |
| 11:32.40 | kjparker | hmm, so that was a bad idea.... |
| 11:32.41 | kjparker | :( |
| 11:32.47 | kjparker | oooopppppsss |
| 11:32.48 | CoffeeBreaks | poli: controller is provided by nforce4 |
| 11:32.49 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:33.19 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, and it recognises the root partition as /dev/hda1? |
| 11:33.33 | kjparker | wtf, it removed gnome? |
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| 11:33.47 | kjparker | when i used the mozilla* wildcard |
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| 11:33.54 | poli | kjparker, the strangest things happen when you give such orders... ;) |
| 11:34.12 | kjparker | hmm, given i'm in gnome right now, should I be worried? |
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| 11:34.14 | kjparker | :) |
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| 11:35.22 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:35.31 | CoffeeBreaks | poli: I am not sure the controller is recognized when I boot using the installed system. I cannot see the messages. And I doubt debian would provide an all-compiled kernel. That's definitively not Debian's habit. Especially as I installed the Debian-Installer kernel, and it came with a lot of modules. I guess the problem is there. I will try to reinstall and check the installation of the kernel at the end of the install process |
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| 11:36.08 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, I agree. |
| 11:36.09 | kjparker | huh? how do i find out why mozilla is installed when i install gnome? |
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| 11:36.35 | poli | kjparker, use aptitude and check for dependecies. |
| 11:36.40 | kjparker | ok |
| 11:36.49 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, Where did you get the Sarge AMD64 cd from? |
| 11:37.10 | ericb_ | poli, I am trying to get fetchmail working first I am using the script poll pop.gmail.com .... |
| 11:37.31 | xophEr | Im trying to install a gnome-applet, but when I do ./configure I get this output: http://pastebin.ca/11297 and I do have the libpanelapplet installed |
| 11:37.38 | poli | CoffeeBreaks, http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian-installer/current/ ? |
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| 11:39.10 | verden01 | is anyone using Debian 64? |
| 11:39.31 | poli | verden01, AMD64? |
| 11:40.07 | verden01 | yes |
| 11:40.10 | kjparker | poli, no that is the new port to run on the commodore 64 |
| 11:40.13 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:40.19 | verden01 | lol |
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| 11:40.26 | poli | kjparker, have you tested it? :) |
| 11:40.34 | kjparker | yep, runs greap |
| 11:40.36 | kjparker | great |
| 11:40.37 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:40.58 | verden01 | how do i get debian 64 |
| 11:41.05 | verden01 | are there repositories? |
| 11:41.20 | poli | verden01, AMD64 alioth.debian.org |
| 11:41.30 | verden01 | cool thanx |
| 11:41.35 | kjparker | :) |
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| 11:41.48 | kjparker | and for it to be an object of desire |
| 11:41.51 | poli | verden01, better: #debian-amd64 |
| 11:42.05 | verden01 | k |
| 11:42.15 | poli | verden01, it's at the topic |
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| 11:45.58 | coll__ | it seems like sunrpc (111) and kdm (1024) are open ports on my system even though i haven't opened them with my firewall and my input chain is set to DROP |
| 11:46.04 | poli | sobersabre, you really made me search... ;) SUSE Linux* 9.2 |
| 11:46.05 | poli | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 Update 3 |
| 11:46.17 | poli | sobersabre, so, linux implements EDB somehow |
| 11:46.54 | poli | coll__, if you have a DROP rule, you shouldn't worry. ;) |
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| 11:47.06 | coll__ | but i nmaped myself and that port is open :p |
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| 11:47.25 | coll__ | actually, i've nmaped the local eth0, let me scan the internet ip |
| 11:47.25 | poli | coll__, did you nmap localhost? Or your IP?:) |
| 11:47.39 | coll__ | yeah, localhost, it just hit me heh |
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| 11:48.02 | coll__ | although rpc.statd is still runing and i'd like to disable it |
| 11:48.08 | poli | coll__, sunrpc is for NFS |
| 11:48.11 | EL_Chupanibre | arent u meant to nmap 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 11:48.18 | poli | coll__, KDM probably XDMCP |
| 11:48.33 | coll__ | im getting the same results of opened ports for the internet IP |
| 11:48.45 | coll__ | i think i saw nfs somewhere in my rc2.d |
| 11:48.59 | coll__ | what about disabling kdm's port? (although im using that...) |
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| 11:49.19 | poli | coll__, 1) your iptables rules are wrong or 2) they don't apply for your localhost. |
| 11:49.47 | coll__ | could you take a look? its really small |
| 11:50.03 | poli | coll__, paste it somewhere and point me there. |
| 11:50.14 | coll__ | alright |
| 11:50.40 | ericb_ | poli, I got fetchmail configured now, I am ssoooo stupid, I didn't chmod correctly, hours and hours, was wasted cause of it |
| 11:50.50 | coll__ | can i remove nfs-kernel-server from rc2.d? |
| 11:51.26 | poli | ericb_, ok, does it get to fetch your gmail account into a local account? |
| 11:51.26 | poli | coll__, yes. and rc3.d and rc4.d and rc5.d probably |
| 11:51.44 | poli | coll__, given you don't run anything alse using it. (i.e. cfs does use nfs-kernel-server) |
| 11:51.45 | ericb_ | it is fetching now, I am not sure to where or anything yet, but now I have one mail received and my gmail has only one unread message |
| 11:52.13 | rj_ | anyone know of some free graffiti fonts for linux? |
| 11:52.26 | poli | ericb_, ok... probably to your local account... look for a ~/mail or ~/Mail |
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| 11:53.11 | paulswm | ericb_: I've spent days on trying to resolve what turned out to be simple mistakes, it seems that it's always the simple stuff that you take for granted that gets you :) |
| 11:53.11 | ericb_ | poli, no such file or directory |
| 11:53.28 | kjparker | got to reboot.....] |
| 11:53.30 | ericb_ | paulswm, aint that the truth |
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| 11:53.41 | poli | ericb_, something starting by mail in yout local dir or take a look at /var/spool/mail |
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| 11:55.19 | ericb_ | poli, so now i need to configure or run exim? |
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| 11:56.21 | ericb_ | poli, I think I am gonna install postfix again, cause most site I checked are using postfix for gmail |
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| 11:56.41 | _unknown_ | hi! where can i find about informasion of sarge?(it is being stabile.)(that is true?)(I am from TURKEY!) |
| 11:56.51 | poli | coll__, what is this? iptables -A INPUT --in-interface ppp0 -p tcp --syn --sport 113 --destination $extip --dport 1024:65535 -j ACCEPT |
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| 11:57.04 | jethro | _unknown_: it is on freezze, not stable yet |
| 11:57.09 | coll__ | poli thats for my inetd daemon that works on masqueraded machines |
| 11:57.12 | jethro | !tell _unknown_ -about sarge |
| 11:57.23 | poli | ericb_, that doesn't really matter. |
| 11:57.24 | liable | any linux laptop channels? |
| 11:57.31 | jethro | liable: /list ? :) |
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| 11:57.59 | coll__ | which daemon in rc2.d is responsible for runing nmbd, smbd and portmap? cause they're all useless to me and i'd like to remove them from runing on boot |
| 11:58.02 | ericb_ | poli, so now when I run fetchmail it say no mail, cause I already fetched the new mail right? So where did it go? |
| 11:58.13 | jm_ | coll__: grep is your friend |
| 11:58.19 | jethro | coll__: update-rc.d -f remove portmap |
| 11:58.20 | poli | coll__, okay... makes no sense to me. |
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| 11:58.33 | jethro | coll__: then update-rc.d -f remove samba |
| 11:58.41 | poli | ericb_, did you look in /var/spool/mail ? |
| 11:58.47 | poli | ericb_, sorry /var/mail |
| 11:58.52 | ericb_ | yeah, there is my username in their thats all |
| 11:58.55 | ericb_ | oh |
| 11:59.03 | jethro | coll__: also man update-rc.d or apt-get install rcconf |
| 11:59.15 | poli | ericb_, so, you have a happy local mail account. |
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| 11:59.29 | poli | ericb_, now, you should configure your MUA to use that mailbox. |
| 11:59.37 | coll__ | jethro: it doesnt find it |
| 11:59.38 | coywolf | what does sarge freeze mean? |
| 11:59.41 | ericb_ | poli, but where is the mail, and how do I fetch all my mail |
| 11:59.47 | coll__ | arpeggio:/etc/rc2.d# update-rc.d -f remove portmap |
| 11:59.47 | coll__ | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/remove: file does not exist |
| 11:59.47 | _unknown_ | the turkish news channel that: sarge will be stable on 30.05.2005 is it true or wrong? |
| 11:59.48 | jethro | coll__: what doesn't find what? |
| 11:59.50 | coll__ | i get the same for samba |
| 12:00.01 | jethro | coll__: my bad, update-rc.d -f portmap remove |
| 12:00.03 | PerfDave | _unknown_: That's the intended release date. |
| 12:00.09 | poli | ericb_, the mail has been fetched from gmail and is now in a local mailbox in your machine, stored in /var/mail |
| 12:00.11 | jethro | coll__: man update-rc.d could help |
| 12:00.17 | coll__ | ahh :p |
| 12:00.17 | PerfDave | coywolf: It means that no new software is going into it unless it fixes critical bugs. |
| 12:00.25 | coywolf | hello, what does sarge freeze mean? does it mean sarge is released as stable offically? |
| 12:00.32 | coywolf | PerfDave, thanks |
| 12:00.37 | ericb_ | poli, can I see it their? Or do I need kind of client to see it |
| 12:00.42 | jethro | coll__: freeze != release |
| 12:00.54 | ericb_ | poli, cause when I list in there I don't see it |
| 12:00.54 | jethro | err coywolf ^^ |
| 12:01.01 | coll__ | yeah it removed it, though portmap wasn't in rc2.d to being with |
| 12:01.04 | PerfDave | coywolf: Read the debian-devel-announce archives for more info. |
| 12:01.04 | coll__ | *begin |
| 12:01.08 | coywolf | PerfDave, what's the current testing? |
| 12:01.09 | poli | ericb_, you can see it there if you want, but all messages get stockpiled and you will give up doing that when you have more than 10 messages or so. |
| 12:01.19 | PerfDave | coywolf: Sarge is the current testing branch of Debian. |
| 12:01.26 | poli | ericb_, now, chose a mail client, and configure it to use that as a local mailbox. |
| 12:01.32 | coywolf | PerfDave, still woody for stable? |
| 12:01.41 | ericb_ | poli, I think my mail box is ~/Mail |
| 12:01.43 | PerfDave | coywolf: Until Sarge releases, yes. |
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| 12:02.00 | jethro | !tell coywolf -about release |
| 12:02.09 | poli | ericb_, where did you find that message you fetched? In ~/Mail or in /var/mail/<your account> ? |
| 12:02.11 | ericb_ | poli, but what about exim, don't I have to do anything with it, do I run once when I start my machine |
| 12:02.16 | coll__ | ok this is much better now thanks |
| 12:02.25 | jethro | ericb_: then you need procmail or your MTA to deliver email for your user in ~/Mail |
| 12:02.28 | ericb_ | poli, in ~/Mail |
| 12:02.34 | liable | ffs, this hurts, windows and mirc :( fucking wvdial wont play |
| 12:02.35 | poli | ericb_, exim was already used by fetchmail to deliver this mail to you. |
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| 12:02.39 | coll__ | im going to reboot though to see if it has any effect |
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| 12:02.40 | coll__ | brb |
| 12:02.46 | Lt-0 | hey all |
| 12:02.52 | poli | ericb_, now you are going to use it to send your emails to the outer world. |
| 12:02.53 | ericb_ | poli, ok cool, I c |
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| 12:03.14 | poli | ericb_, for that, you must do a 'smarthost" config. |
| 12:03.20 | Lt-0 | i got a debian problem |
| 12:03.26 | jethro | !tell Lt-0 -about ask |
| 12:03.30 | jethro | !tell Lt-0 -about smart questions |
| 12:03.35 | poli | ericb_, where your "smarthost" is your SMTP host (the one the ISP gives your probably) |
| 12:03.36 | jethro | !tell Lt-0 -about enter |
| 12:03.52 | jm_ | tell |
| 12:03.55 | jm_ | gah |
| 12:03.56 | liable | !tell liable how to fix wvdial :) |
| 12:04.01 | ericb_ | poli, smpt.gmail.com? |
| 12:04.02 | poli | jethro, you are overreacting... hahahah |
| 12:04.07 | ericb_ | smtp |
| 12:04.08 | doub | jethro: those people must be *educted* |
| 12:04.11 | jethro | overwhat? |
| 12:04.15 | doub | educated even |
| 12:04.16 | poli | ericb_, does gmail provide you with a smtp host? |
| 12:04.24 | jethro | I m just helping him get some support |
| 12:04.37 | poli | jethro, over reacting. :) LOL |
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| 12:04.40 | ericb_ | poli, yep, smtp.gmail.com |
| 12:04.41 | Lt-0 | anyways |
| 12:04.47 | jethro | poli: how is that overreacting |
| 12:04.47 | TinoW | poli: a mail service without smtphost would be meaningless, no? ;) |
| 12:04.50 | Lt-0 | thnx jethro i'll keep it in mind |
| 12:04.56 | Lt-0 | but back on topic ;-) |
| 12:04.59 | ericb_ | poli, But I never specified any ports, |
| 12:05.00 | jethro | Lt-0: now ask, with details, so you can get help |
| 12:05.15 | doub | Lt-0: [enter] is not a substitute for puntuation |
| 12:05.20 | jethro | poli: it's just letting him now the best way to ask questions to computer "experts" |
| 12:05.22 | Lt-0 | i am getting an unusual error in debian when i try to initiat x |
| 12:05.27 | poli | TinoW, your SMTP host should be provided by someone who gives you the internet access. |
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| 12:05.38 | poli | jethro, I am not complaining |
| 12:05.38 | Delph | TinoW: not really. |
| 12:05.39 | TinoW | poli: sure :) |
| 12:05.40 | poli | jethro, :) |
| 12:05.41 | Lt-0 | error returning when i run startx is no screens |
| 12:05.41 | jethro | Lt-0: don't tell us you have a problem, tell us what the problem *is* with error messages |
| 12:05.42 | PerfDave | Lt-0: How are you trying to "initiat x", what error do you get? |
| 12:05.50 | PerfDave | Lt-0: /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 12:05.52 | poli | TinoW, Even paid email-servers recommend you to do that. |
| 12:05.53 | PerfDave | Lt-0: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 12:06.02 | TinoW | Delph: well, if you have a webmail account which does not have an SMTP host - how do you receive email? ;) |
| 12:06.04 | poli | TinoW, Saves you time and gives you more stability. |
| 12:06.16 | doub | Lt-0: and don't forget to read the FAQ (/topic is your friend) |
| 12:06.19 | Delph | TinoW: how do you send mail, more importantly. |
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| 12:06.23 | Delph | s/host/smarthost/ |
| 12:06.23 | poli | TinoW, there are some ISPs I know that just block anything going out on 25 that isn't to their SMTP host. |
| 12:06.30 | Delph | and you get what people actually mean. |
| 12:06.33 | TinoW | Delph: yes I know. You mean smarthost ;) |
| 12:06.38 | poli | TinoW, helps finding spammers too. |
| 12:06.47 | Delph | TinoW: i know what I mean. |
| 12:06.57 | _unknown_ | where can ý read about sarge when will be stabil?aren't there anybody help me? |
| 12:07.04 | liable | bob2: you awake? |
| 12:07.08 | Delph | a pop server has sense without a smtp server. |
| 12:07.13 | poli | ericb_, anyways, you can configure your smarthost on exim by running a dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 12:07.16 | Delph | eg nntp->imap proxy |
| 12:07.17 | PerfDave | _unknown_: Read the debian-devel-announce list |
| 12:07.20 | jethro | _unknown_: just read either debianplanet or www.debian.org |
| 12:07.25 | poli | ericb_, put that smtp.gmail.com as your smart host. |
| 12:07.56 | jm_ | doub: it's (usually, 99%) displayed as the client receives it and it happens to be before the nick list |
| 12:08.01 | bob2 | liable: no |
| 12:08.07 | ericb_ | poli, I just used mutt, and set myself a message, then I ran fetchmail, and I have a new message, so it seems all is well |
| 12:08.17 | jm_ | or rather, you can disable showing of nick list in most client, so you get the same effect |
| 12:08.27 | jethro | can you disable on a per channel basis? |
| 12:08.49 | liable | bob2: dont normally ask direct questions, but I know you have a thinkpad. You use wvdial at all ? |
| 12:08.56 | bob2 | liable: no |
| 12:08.57 | poli | ericb_, Okay then! :) But you need to be sure that exim is configured for using smart-host otherwise you might get blocked using DSL or dial-up in blackhole lists. |
| 12:09.06 | jethro | liable: what is your wvdial problem? |
| 12:09.06 | bob2 | I've never got the modem working |
| 12:09.07 | poli | ericb_, Does it mean everything is working? |
| 12:09.10 | liable | bob2ok |
| 12:09.20 | ericb_ | poli, not everything, but I can send mail it seems |
| 12:09.25 | mwilson | Wow... kernel-image-2.6 is crap. |
| 12:09.29 | poli | ericb_, what isn't? |
| 12:09.38 | liable | bob2 bugger |
| 12:09.39 | ericb_ | poli, trying to do that dpkg-reconfigure exim right now |
| 12:09.56 | poli | ericb_, besides that, what isn't? |
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| 12:10.12 | ericb_ | poli, well I don't know how to open my messages with mutt, and also how to fetch all my mail not just new ones |
| 12:10.13 | liable | jethro: wont play with a pabx system |
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| 12:10.28 | poli | ericb_, oh... you have mail in folders in gmail? |
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| 12:10.36 | doub | jm_: so it's the ircd that sends the topic and then nick list, just because one issues a JOIN command ? |
| 12:10.43 | jm_ | doub: yup |
| 12:10.51 | Ry12 | what package has gecko sdk |
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| 12:11.13 | jethro | liable: what's that supposed to mean? |
| 12:11.14 | Lt-0 | should i post to anyone the error log |
| 12:11.17 | ericb_ | poli, I open mutt and it says 0 messages, so something isn't woring, either where mutt is looking is wrong, or where fetchmail is putting mail is wrong, I dunno |
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| 12:11.41 | PerfDave | Lt-0: Do you not understand the error you're getting? |
| 12:11.50 | ericb_ | poli, I have mail gmail, plus two new ones unread but fetched |
| 12:11.59 | Lt-0 | no i do not |
| 12:12.05 | eye69 | When searching dpkg the bot with 'listkeys', it shows (15 of 46)...how can I list the following 15 items? |
| 12:12.13 | PerfDave | Lt-0: Did you read the factoids that dpkg sent to you? |
| 12:12.13 | liable | jethro: the kind of phone system you get in most motels in oz. |
| 12:12.18 | Lt-0 | yes |
| 12:12.19 | poli | ericb_, could be. I don't know mutt, but you need to tell him where your local mailbox is. |
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| 12:12.24 | jethro | liable: I know what a pabx is |
| 12:12.32 | PerfDave | Lt-0: Then tell us what the error you're getting is, without pasting the whole log. |
| 12:12.39 | jm_ | eye69: you can't - you'll have to download its database and play with it by hand |
| 12:12.43 | liable | jethro: so whats your point |
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| 12:12.51 | doub | jm_: but the IRC client can cache the TOPIC to display it after the nick list, anyway |
| 12:12.51 | jethro | liable: just prefix your ISP number whith whatever needed to get the outside network |
| 12:13.02 | xophEr | where can I find a guide for installing and configuring lm-sensors? |
| 12:13.04 | jethro | liable: wvdial has nothing to do with pabx that's why I didn't get your point |
| 12:13.05 | ericb_ | poli, mutt is looking in /var/mail, and fetchmail is putting in ~/Mail |
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| 12:13.20 | jethro | liable: the only side effect of using a pabx is that you need to change the number you dial in some cases |
| 12:13.23 | liable | jethro: yep, no, the modem connects, but I get a no carrier error |
| 12:13.24 | Lt-0 | one second |
| 12:13.25 | poli | ericb_, reconfingure mutt. Should be easy, I have seen lots of documentation for that. |
| 12:13.29 | PerfDave | ericb_: So tell mutt to look in ~/Mail ? |
| 12:13.39 | poli | ericb_, anyways... a ln -s shoudl work too ;) |
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| 12:13.46 | jm_ | doub: yes, and most do that already, but they just display it as they receive it - it would be a minimal fix, but it's still pretty much useless to even list the nicks in channels like this |
| 12:13.51 | jethro | liable: analog line? |
| 12:13.52 | eye69 | jm_: Oh. That's a bit annoying. |
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| 12:14.28 | ericb_ | poli, the link method sounds best. ln -s /var/mail /~/Mail is that correct? |
| 12:14.28 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 12:14.29 | lkthomas | can I use two NIC card to connect to one switch to make a 200Mbps traffic ? |
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| 12:14.39 | lkthomas | and how to config it ? |
| 12:14.40 | jethro | ericb_: don't fucking do that! |
| 12:14.41 | liable | jethro: dunno, every time I go to a motel, wvdial baulks |
| 12:14.45 | doub | jm_: of course. maybe then have a (configurable) limit above the which the client will not display them |
| 12:14.59 | jethro | liable: pick motels with wifi :) |
| 12:14.59 | DJELiTe | Salut à tous! Y a t-il des gens qui parlent fr svp? |
| 12:14.59 | jethro | !fr |
| 12:15.00 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 12:15.00 | jm_ | doub: that would mean nick list will have to be cache too |
| 12:15.03 | ericb_ | poli, ln -s /var/mail ~/Mail |
| 12:15.04 | jm_ | cached |
| 12:15.09 | lindi- | lkthomas: sure, check advanced routing and traffic control howto |
| 12:15.09 | poli | ericb_, no. In your local dir: ln -s Mail /var/mail/<your login> |
| 12:15.23 | liable | jethro: hehe, dont have much chice where I live :( |
| 12:15.30 | ericb_ | poli, I got ya |
| 12:15.31 | liable | choice even |
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| 12:15.35 | jm_ | I think some already cache it anyway, because of the ls-like formatting they do |
| 12:15.38 | lkthomas | lindi-: URL ? |
| 12:15.38 | doub | jm_: but that's what the client does anyway, for example with nick completion |
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| 12:15.45 | jethro | liable: try using something as minicom and dial a number you know |
| 12:16.01 | lindi- | lkthomas: first hit on google |
| 12:16.03 | jethro | liable: to make sure your modem copes with the line plugged in it |
| 12:16.13 | doub | jm_: i'm not talking about forgetting it, just not *displaying* it |
| 12:16.25 | jm_ | doub: ok, I should add - would have to be cached entirelly before its displayed - some don't cache at this point, but they run who # and then cache this info insetad |
| 12:16.28 | jethro | liable: erm, didn't you say it works on windows? |
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| 12:16.35 | ericb_ | poli, so that will ln the mail in ~/Mail to /var/mail/username or the otherway around, very confusing |
| 12:16.43 | jethro | ericb_: man ln |
| 12:16.55 | ericb_ | poli, But i will go ahead with, thx for you support |
| 12:16.57 | lkthomas | thanks lindi- |
| 12:17.01 | liable | jethro: yes |
| 12:17.01 | jethro | ericb_: though I d use something like procmail to deliver mail in ~/Mail and not symlink |
| 12:17.08 | ericb_ | !slap jethro |
| 12:17.18 | jethro | !handhold ericb_ |
| 12:17.24 | poli | ericb_, man ln first argument is the file you have, second is where you want the link to be. |
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| 12:17.44 | lkthomas | lindi-: what specific section do I need to look at ? |
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| 12:18.57 | jethro | liable: you have a winmodem in the thinkpad? |
| 12:19.02 | Ry12 | IF APT SAYS SOMETHING IS UNINSTALLABLE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN |
| 12:19.20 | liable | jethro: yep, and wvdial works like a charm on a direct line |
| 12:19.25 | jethro | Ry12: it means you need to remove caps |
| 12:19.36 | liable | hehe |
| 12:19.39 | jethro | liable: and you're sure the number you dial is ok? |
| 12:19.46 | Ry12 | so knowone knows??//////// |
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| 12:20.03 | jethro | Ry12: just fuckniing read what apt tells you |
| 12:20.12 | jethro | greycat: hi, we missed you on friday :) |
| 12:20.19 | liable | jethro: yup, it dials, and then 'no carrier' trust me, its right :) |
| 12:20.39 | ericb_ | poli, it says file already exist. I did ln -s Mail /var/mail/loginname |
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| 12:21.19 | cplx | !fix oakland |
| 12:21.22 | lindi- | lkthomas: i'd say you need to read it through at least once completely |
| 12:21.28 | poli | ericb_, okay... take a look at the /var/mail/loginname file... should be empty or contain local email. |
| 12:21.50 | lkthomas | lindi-: nothing useful there ! |
| 12:21.57 | lindi- | lkthomas: not true :) |
| 12:21.58 | Ry12 | is it possible to install mplayer with apt-get |
| 12:22.04 | greycat | Ry12: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 12:22.07 | ericb_ | poli, it is empty |
| 12:22.22 | lkthomas | lindi-, please tell me a specific section for that |
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| 12:22.29 | jethro | liable: I ll get my lappy in the office tomrrow and try that, don't see what could be the reason yet |
| 12:22.43 | ericb_ | poli, should I just delete, and then create the link which will recreate it? |
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| 12:22.50 | poli | ericb_, I would recommend you to reconfigure mutt, but you can erase that file and run the ln agin. |
| 12:22.52 | jethro | liable: sorry I can't help much today |
| 12:22.57 | pragg | what chmod/chown must I set for /home/user/public_html? The browser says '403 forbidden' |
| 12:23.08 | greycat | pragg: 711 at a bare minimum. |
| 12:23.17 | lindi- | lkthomas: "10. Load sharing over multiple interfaces" but you won't understand that unless you take a look at other parts |
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| 12:23.40 | ericb_ | poli, ok, I am gonna first try and reconfigure mutt. |
| 12:23.40 | liable | jethro: ya, got me stumped, nothing much about it on google, apart from bad lines, but this is consistent with pabx systems :( |
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| 12:24.01 | liable | jethro: cheers anyways |
| 12:24.13 | jethro | liable: we have the same setup here in the office |
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| 12:24.22 | jethro | liable: soI can try to reproduce your problem |
| 12:24.27 | liable | jethro: what lappie? |
| 12:24.39 | lkthomas | lindi-: OK, here is the headache part, router B is actually winxp box, how to config it then |
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| 12:24.40 | pragg | greycat: 'drwx--x--x' is it now, after i set 711 |
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| 12:24.47 | jethro | liable: it's a dell, but with a winmodem too |
| 12:24.49 | pragg | but it says the same.. |
| 12:24.55 | greycat | pragg: then check /home/username and /home |
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| 12:25.04 | greycat | pragg: and the file itself, which you are attempting to read. |
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| 12:25.09 | greycat | !wikifaq pragg Permissions |
| 12:25.10 | dpkg | pragg: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:25.27 | Ry12 | i compiled and installed mplayer from source, but when i try to apt-get something which needs mplayer it doesn't see it |
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| 12:25.52 | jethro | Ry12: then use dpkg-buildpackage to build mplayer from source as a debian package |
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| 12:26.08 | jethro | Ry12: so you can dpkg -i it, and keep a track of it in the package database |
| 12:26.19 | ericb_ | poli, thx a million for all your support. You rule |
| 12:26.21 | hexxeh|work | Ry12, why didn't you just install an mplayer package? |
| 12:26.23 | poli | ericb_, I need to go now... but what you need is fairly simple, just ask if it doest get going, ok? |
| 12:26.29 | liable | jethro: hmm, be interesting to see. Am thinking its specific, as there doesnt seem to be much about it, better get back too google I spose, thanks. |
| 12:26.33 | jethro | hexxeh|work: becasue nobody told him about marillat |
| 12:26.34 | ircdevil | sup |
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| 12:26.44 | ericb_ | poli, take care, thanks |
| 12:26.45 | jethro | liable: I ll tell you tomorrow |
| 12:26.56 | greycat | !mplayer |
| 12:26.56 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> |
| 12:27.04 | jm_ | he was told about it |
| 12:27.10 | greycat | 08:22 greycat> Ry12: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 12:27.15 | liable | jethro: cheers. |
| 12:27.23 | paulswm | greycat: just wanted you to know that while you were away this morning, jethro stood in with a skilful use of caps :P |
| 12:27.26 | jethro | he didn't bother to /msg dpkg then :) |
| 12:27.28 | ircdevil | *yawn* |
| 12:27.32 | jethro | paulswm: hah |
| 12:27.33 | greycat | paulswm: :) |
| 12:27.38 | Ry12 | yeah i want to compile it with win32 codec support thats why i dont want to dl a package |
| 12:27.41 | IDC | I have to switch to windows to run IE to view items in some pages that current i cannot get it to work in MOzilla,strange |
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| 12:28.02 | jethro | Ry12: you want to use marillat |
| 12:28.03 | PerfDave | Ry12: Install w32codecs from marillat |
| 12:28.05 | IDC | I cannot view the complete items in the Domain control plannel from my provider |
| 12:28.09 | hexxeh|work | Ry12, the marillat packages already have win32 codec support. and there's a win32codecs package on the same mirror |
| 12:28.19 | hexxeh|work | *w32codecs |
| 12:28.22 | PerfDave | IDC: Your provider sucks, tell them to fix their broken web interface :) |
| 12:28.23 | IDC | brb |
| 12:28.24 | LuPuZ | What's the latest debian kernel? |
| 12:28.30 | greycat | LuPuZ: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 12:28.30 | IDC | PerfDave, haha |
| 12:28.42 | LuPuZ | thx |
| 12:28.44 | IDC | :) brb,i am just going to setup an email server here :D |
| 12:28.54 | PerfDave | IDC: I'm serious. Web apps that don't work in standards-compliant browsers are broken. |
| 12:29.06 | IDC | i have a plan on this machine to make it a server,actually |
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| 12:29.15 | ircdevil | one-eyed greycat <- sounds rather literal |
| 12:29.37 | IDC | So i will plug out the monitor off of it after its done,connect to another PC here,control over there,is this okay ? |
| 12:29.38 | liable | jethro: you use wvdial on the lappie? |
| 12:29.52 | PerfDave | IDC: You have my permission. |
| 12:30.03 | jethro | liable: when I m on a road trip, and the hotel has no wifi, I do |
| 12:30.12 | IDC | PerfDave, i just want to click on the + marks to expand menu in the control pannel,it doesn't work in mozilla |
| 12:30.29 | dawne | Ry12: http://hpisi.nerim.net <-- the deb mplayer package comes w/windows codecs i believe |
| 12:30.31 | liable | jethro: just wondering if its wvdial specific, or pppd |
| 12:30.39 | PerfDave | IDC: Then your provider's web application is broken. |
| 12:30.46 | PerfDave | IDC: Tell them to fix it. |
| 12:30.48 | jethro | liable: or your winmodem :) |
| 12:30.51 | IDC | PerfDave, by the way,is the Generic IDE hdd okay to host a server ? |
| 12:30.57 | jethro | and the way it'(s supported on linux |
| 12:30.58 | PerfDave | IDC: And tell me who they are, so I can make sure not to give them my business. |
| 12:31.04 | PerfDave | IDC: Why wouldn't it be? |
| 12:31.15 | liable | jethro: yeah, be sad if I cant fix it. |
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| 12:31.27 | PerfDave | IDC: It depends entirely on what you're wanting to run on your server. |
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| 12:31.38 | IDC | PerfDave, that is from my DDNS provider,they claim they are the biggest DDNS provider in the world currently |
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| 12:32.01 | PerfDave | IDC: They might be the biggest DDNS provider in the world, but their web interface is still broken. |
| 12:32.28 | IDC | PerfDave, because i have never had a habbit letting it run without shutting down for a long time,i always shut it down when im off of computer for more than several hours |
| 12:32.35 | Ry12 | why does marillat download all the libs and stuff seperately |
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| 12:32.44 | PerfDave | IDC: What has shutting stuff down got to do with anything? |
| 12:33.00 | LuPuZ | How do i update my kernel to 2.4.19 The easiest way? |
| 12:33.08 | greycat | that's hardly an update. |
| 12:33.23 | IDC | PerfDave, I always think by doing that will help avoid seeing hardwares to go corrupt ? |
| 12:33.26 | PerfDave | LuPuZ: apt-cache search kernel-image 2.4 |
| 12:33.29 | greycat | why do you want such an old version? |
| 12:33.29 | xophEr | anyone know o good guide how to configure lm_sensors? |
| 12:33.37 | Shorty` | how do you make tar "tar up" files/folders s tarting with .? |
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| 12:33.44 | PerfDave | IDC: I have no idea what you're talking about now |
| 12:33.46 | jm_ | xophEr: run sensors-detect as per their docs |
| 12:33.47 | LuPuZ | but my sources.list is empty since my last try :P |
| 12:33.58 | greycat | LuPuZ: apt-setup |
| 12:34.18 | PerfDave | Shorty`: Why would it be different from using tar with any other files? |
| 12:34.30 | Shorty` | PerfDave, no idea, mine doesn't seem to work. |
| 12:34.40 | Shorty` | ah, my bad |
| 12:34.42 | Shorty` | * doesn't work :P |
| 12:34.45 | Shorty` | doing the entire folder does. |
| 12:34.49 | IDC | PerfDave, sorry,i mean shut down a computer when you do not use it in a certaim tme is a good idea to prevent the hardares especially the HDD go break ? |
| 12:34.54 | dawne | Ry12: not sure what you mean...but all you need to do is add 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-merillat stable main' to /etc/apt/sources.list...then do 'apt-get install mplayer-<arch>' |
| 12:35.03 | IDC | s/certaim/certian |
| 12:35.15 | IDC | certain* |
| 12:35.15 | MeMbRaX | Hi All. Need some advice here about sound volume in Debian Sarge. |
| 12:35.28 | PerfDave | IDC: Not really. There's a school of thought which thinks that shutting down and turning on machines causes more mechanical and electrical strain than leaving them running. |
| 12:35.43 | LuPuZ | greycat: it tries to access cd'roms... i want to set in servers in my sources.list... but can't find the sources list on the debian.org |
| 12:35.48 | hexxeh|work | always always use the -386 package from marillat |
| 12:35.56 | jethro | why is that? |
| 12:36.00 | PerfDave | Shorty`: You wouldn't expect it to. "tar * .*" should do it. |
| 12:36.04 | paulswm | IDC: HDDs are more reliable these days, but keeping them running stresses them less that stopping.starting them |
| 12:36.16 | greycat | LuPuZ: apt-setup |
| 12:36.24 | jethro | hexxeh|work: what only -386 ? |
| 12:36.27 | hexxeh|work | -586 has been compiled with pentium extensions. -386 has everything from mmx to sse3, with runtime extension detection |
| 12:36.30 | jethro | s/what/why/ |
| 12:36.35 | primoz | IDC for some old HDD there is quite a chance that they will never work again once turned off (or even spinned down) |
| 12:36.36 | jethro | ah ok |
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| 12:36.38 | dawne | ohhh |
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| 12:36.43 | Delph | 7200RPM is a lot of angular velocity to get rid of. |
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| 12:36.57 | IDC | oh |
| 12:37.01 | peanut | Hm. procmail isn't putting anything into $MATCH. Anyone help? |
| 12:37.08 | LuPuZ | greycat: i have tried apt-setup ... it only want's to access cdrom... and i don't have any cd'roms to put in there |
| 12:37.14 | IDC | I see,Thanks for the info :) i be right back |
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| 12:37.33 | MeMbRaX | Hi All. Need some advice here about sound volume in Debian Sarge. |
| 12:37.47 | PerfDave | MeMbRaX: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 12:37.48 | PerfDave | MeMbRaX: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 12:38.01 | PerfDave | MeMbRaX: /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 12:38.05 | [baton]_ | hi2all, can anybody help with reason of kernel panic, errmsg begins at, somethink like that Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual adress fffffffff... Aiee, in interput handler -- not syncing |
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| 12:38.21 | MeMbRaX | ??? |
| 12:38.28 | Ketchup | hello! |
| 12:38.31 | paulswm | Delph: you remark reminds me that the old and heavy Univac fixed/flying head drums were jokingly defined as "devices for storing angular momentum" |
| 12:38.33 | PerfDave | !tell MeMbRaX -about msgdpkg |
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| 12:39.15 | Lt-0 | http://home.lokk3n.info/xfree.txt is my error log |
| 12:39.24 | maxxle | Making the kernel config file with make menuconfig I can tell the kernel with which parameters it should boot. Where can this setting be found? I have to provide some parameters but don't know where to enter them in the menu |
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| 12:39.30 | Ketchup | i had only a swap partition and root_fs, but i forgot to create an user partition, now i have no space left on device, |
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| 12:40.04 | Ketchup | i did create a user partition, but it says: E: Unable to write mmap - msync (28 No space left on device) |
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| 12:40.30 | PerfDave | Ketchup: What do you mean by "a user partition"? |
| 12:40.40 | Lt-0 | you should only neer a /swap and a / partition |
| 12:40.43 | paulswm | Ketchup: do you mean a partition for '/usr'? |
| 12:41.16 | dark_enigma | or one for home? |
| 12:41.31 | dawne | hmmm...im using gnome on my deb box...and when i login (with the GUI), if i select Gnome from the Sessions menu...it loads up some crappy WM like wmaker or something...why, and how do i change it? |
| 12:41.31 | PerfDave | Lt-0: That link isn't loading. Didn't we ask you just to tell us what error you were getting? |
| 12:41.44 | PerfDave | dawne: As opposed to some crappy WM like Gnome? ;) |
| 12:41.54 | n0dez | hehe |
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| 12:42.28 | Ketchup | in fact i have colinux, and i had an image for rootfs and swap but not for user |
| 12:42.33 | greycat | see? gnome makes you all squinty-eyed. |
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| 12:42.43 | PerfDave | greycat: Much like excessive masturbation? |
| 12:42.47 | paulswm | !greycat++ |
| 12:42.48 | Ketchup | so i ran out of disk while apt-get and now |
| 12:43.24 | paulswm | PerfDave: I just use it a bit and wear glasses :> |
| 12:43.28 | dawne | quiet...and if i select 'Failsafe Gnome' it loads up fine but then the little 'button' like things on the taskbar for switching windows arent there...like right now...someone help please! |
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| 12:43.44 | kanzure | I just apt-got torsmo, where do I find the configuration file example? (Or where does apt-get install most things to, /usr/share/ ?) |
| 12:43.57 | PerfDave | Ketchup: Documentation goes in /usr/share/doc/$package/ |
| 12:44.01 | hexxeh|work | dpkg -L packagename |
| 12:44.02 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename |
| 12:44.15 | nevyn | dpkg -L torsomo |
| 12:44.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching torsomo |
| 12:44.20 | m4lu6 | Anybody know offhand where in proc ethernet MAC address is stored? |
| 12:44.21 | PerfDave | dpkg, botsnack |
| 12:44.21 | dpkg | PerfDave: thanks |
| 12:44.21 | nevyn | dpkg -L torsmo |
| 12:44.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching torsmo |
| 12:44.26 | kanzure | er |
| 12:44.36 | kanzure | i just did it though |
| 12:44.36 | paulswm | !botabuse |
| 12:44.36 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 12:44.39 | Ketchup | is there doc for how to get more place on my device?? |
| 12:44.50 | Lt-0 | (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:0f:0 |
| 12:44.50 | Lt-0 | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 12:44.50 | Lt-0 | Fatal server error: |
| 12:44.50 | Lt-0 | no screens found |
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| 12:44.53 | nevyn | kanzure: docs in /usr/share/doc/packagename conf in /etc/packagename etc |
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| 12:44.56 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 12:45.01 | kanzure | nevyn: thanks |
| 12:45.03 | PerfDave | Ketchup: That's a Colinux problem. |
| 12:45.15 | dawne | please help lol...im actually somewhat confused on what gnome/sawfish/gdm are...can someone explain that and maybe i can fix the problem myself |
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| 12:45.26 | toadi | does someone have experience installing latest debian netinstall on dell powerdge 1425 sc ? |
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| 12:45.32 | nevyn | ketchup: more place on your device? |
| 12:45.45 | paulswm | Lt-0: see /topic re. pasting |
| 12:45.46 | nevyn | Ketchup: are you running debian ? |
| 12:45.47 | greycat | toadi: just tell us what problem *you* had. |
| 12:45.50 | kanzure | nevyn: Nope, no /etc/torsmo/ =/ |
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| 12:45.58 | jethro | dawne: gnome is a desktop envvironment, sawfish is a windo manager, and gdm is a graphical login |
| 12:46.00 | nevyn | kanzure: sure. but close enough |
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| 12:46.18 | dawne | jethro: thanks...actually what i figured |
| 12:46.31 | Ketchup | nevyn: i didn't create a partition big enough so i ran out of space on it: how can i solve this, yes debian woody 3.0 |
| 12:46.37 | jethro | !lart me for typing so bad |
| 12:46.41 | toadi | greycat, just did default installation 2.4 kernel no problem. Then did default installtion 2.6 kernel and booting halts at harware clock |
| 12:46.59 | greycat | !worked in 2.4 |
| 12:47.00 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 12:47.09 | nevyn | Ketchup: are you using an actual partition? |
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| 12:47.17 | hexxeh|work | someone erased my "works in 2.6" factoid. i was very upset. |
| 12:47.18 | toadi | heh greycat |
| 12:47.29 | toadi | so use 2.4 then |
| 12:47.36 | Wisthler | Hello |
| 12:47.41 | nevyn | hexxeh|work: hotplugging devices . |
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| 12:47.43 | dawne | well when using gnome+gdm on debian, how do i make sawfish load when ive selected Gnome from the Sessions menu of gdm? instead of twm/wmaker/whatever that crappy thing is |
| 12:47.49 | Wisthler | Is there someone who speak French ? |
| 12:47.50 | nevyn | hexxeh|work: persistant device naming. |
| 12:47.55 | greycat | !fr |
| 12:47.56 | nevyn | Wisthler: #debian-fr |
| 12:47.56 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:47.57 | Ketchup | nevyn: i had the root_fs 1gb an the swap_device 250Mb |
| 12:48.00 | Wisthler | Thanks |
| 12:48.08 | jetscreamer | you're supposed to be able to choose sessions in gdm |
| 12:48.08 | Lt-0 | fn~PerfDave: you see what i pasted |
| 12:48.09 | nevyn | Ketchup: are these files or partitions? |
| 12:48.11 | jethro | dawne: update-alternatives maybe |
| 12:48.18 | toadi | greycat,thought 2.6 kernel was quite stable |
| 12:48.21 | Ketchup | nevyn: partitions |
| 12:48.23 | nevyn | Ketchup: that's not going to be of much use for much... |
| 12:48.25 | Wisthler | Bye |
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| 12:48.31 | jetscreamer | sometimes it borks out, kdm usually functins well though' |
| 12:48.39 | Ketchup | nevyn: so i created a user partition of 2GB |
| 12:48.45 | dawne | jethro: huh? what do you mean 'update-alternatives'? that a script or something? :/ |
| 12:48.45 | nevyn | right... |
| 12:48.46 | jetscreamer | wisthler went to go see his mother |
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| 12:48.49 | nevyn | Ketchup: and? |
| 12:48.57 | jetscreamer | man update-alternatives |
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| 12:49.08 | jethro | dawne: set the default wm with that, and yes, man update-alternatives |
| 12:49.14 | PerfDave | Lt-0: Don't paste stuff to channel, you get kicked. |
| 12:49.15 | hexxeh|work | toadi, not massively, but there are several advantages to using it |
| 12:49.18 | nevyn | dawne: the crappy thing is metacity |
| 12:49.24 | dawne | ok, reading it now - thanks |
| 12:49.24 | jetscreamer | gdm does bork on sessions sometimes though |
| 12:49.29 | Ketchup | but how do i have to reconfig the debian to understand cause now when i apt still says: unable to write mmap - (no space left on device) |
| 12:49.29 | FlimFlamMan | hey, gnome nautilus cd writer is pretty nice |
| 12:49.31 | jetscreamer | or it's twm |
| 12:49.33 | jklm | got no sound when playing vcd with kaffeine. how now? |
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| 12:49.38 | Lt-0 | fn~PerfDave: i have now pasted to the bot and to #flood |
| 12:49.39 | jethro | dawne: as I don't use gnome/sawfish I might be wrong on what to do to enable sawfish. |
| 12:49.40 | jetscreamer | you can't really see metacity |
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| 12:49.56 | jetscreamer | but gnome uses metacity by default nowadays |
| 12:49.57 | toadi | hexxeh|work, yes but don't know why it halts at hardware clock |
| 12:50.01 | toadi | just wanted to know |
| 12:50.03 | MeMbRaX | FlimFlamMan : Nero is just out with a Linux CD-Burner software |
| 12:50.05 | PerfDave | Lt-0: What bot? |
| 12:50.12 | Lt-0 | dpkg |
| 12:50.16 | dawne | well sawfish WAS enabled but now it only starts when i select failsafe-gnome in gdm...and then some things dont work |
| 12:50.31 | PerfDave | Lt-0: You can't paste to dpkg. |
| 12:50.34 | jetscreamer | MeMbRaX: d-i is out in beta with cd burning software |
| 12:50.36 | PerfDave | Lt-0: it's not a paste bot. |
| 12:50.42 | Ketchup | nevyn: i did reboot, is there a reconfigure fonction? |
| 12:50.44 | toadi | i'm reinstalling with 2.4 again, so i can at least boot the machine |
| 12:50.45 | Lt-0 | its in the tpic |
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| 12:50.49 | hexxeh|work | PerfDave, technically you _can_ paste to dpkg, but it's stupid to do so |
| 12:50.50 | Lt-0 | topic |
| 12:50.52 | PerfDave | Lt-0: Anyway, the thing you posted to channel was "no screens found", and you've already been told that that's not a meaningful error. |
| 12:50.53 | MeMbRaX | "d-i" means ? |
| 12:50.54 | toadi | figure the problem out from there |
| 12:50.58 | hexxeh|work | !d-i |
| 12:50.58 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 12:51.10 | jklm | got no sound when playing vcd with kaffeine. how now? |
| 12:51.20 | PerfDave | Lt-0: That tells you to use paster, not dpkg, for pasting. |
| 12:51.28 | ToNiC | its actually seperate |
| 12:51.28 | jetscreamer | try xine-ui, it seems to function well |
| 12:51.34 | MeMbRaX | WOW ! Thx ! |
| 12:51.34 | Lt-0 | fn~PerfDave: i don't know what else i need topaste thats the only error i see |
| 12:51.38 | paulswm | Lt-0: in the topic is means '/msg dpkg paster' for info about pasting |
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| 12:51.53 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite Lt-0 |
| 12:51.54 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Lt-0. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 12:52.00 | jklm | what is xine-iu? how to start it? |
| 12:52.07 | nevyn | Ketchup: are you running debian on the metal someone mentioned colinux before. |
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| 12:52.17 | jethro | jklm: apt-get install xine-ui, apt-cache show xine-ui |
| 12:52.22 | dawne | i have no sound with pretty much everything (gaim had sound for a while...), but first i must fix this sawfish thing of course |
| 12:52.28 | PerfDave | Lt-0: What's that fn~ thing about? |
| 12:52.28 | Ketchup | nevyn: i'm on colinux yes |
| 12:52.37 | jethro | dawne: you use esd? |
| 12:52.38 | Lt-0 | bnc |
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| 12:52.51 | PerfDave | Lt-0: Look for lines starting with EE in your X log file, as you've been told. |
| 12:52.53 | Lt-0 | fn~ is network prefix |
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| 12:53.19 | jklm | jethro: has it got to do with sound setup? |
| 12:53.29 | PerfDave | Lt-0: Well stop it, it means my client doesn't highlight your replies. |
| 12:53.33 | PerfDave | Lt-0: I know what network I'm on. |
| 12:53.35 | nevyn | Ketchup: and you're using partitions? |
| 12:53.37 | dawne | well when i start esd after doing 'modprobe sb' it just makes these odd popping noises in the speakers when sound should be played |
| 12:53.49 | nevyn | Ketchup: you're not using cobd devices? |
| 12:54.05 | Coke | what is a network prefix? |
| 12:54.08 | nevyn | Ketchup: you're mapping cobd devices to hardware partitions ? |
| 12:54.22 | nevyn | Coke: the bit that's ones in the netmask |
| 12:54.24 | toadi | maybe trying the rc3 installer... |
| 12:54.34 | jklm | jethor: do i need alsa? |
| 12:54.37 | jethro | Coke: I assume when you use a bouncer such as bnc, depending on which network a message comes from, it's prefixed in a given way |
| 12:54.49 | jethro | jklm: I don't know |
| 12:55.01 | jklm | ok |
| 12:55.02 | jethro | jklm: I can't read your mind, nor can I foresee your problems |
| 12:55.25 | Lt-0 | perfdave the only (EE) that is in the whole log is the one i pasted stating no devices detected |
| 12:55.29 | jklm | why are u trying to do that? |
| 12:55.34 | Ketchup | nevyn: yes using cobd devices |
| 12:55.36 | jethro | jklm: do what? |
| 12:55.41 | PerfDave | Lt-0: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 12:55.43 | jklm | read my mind. |
| 12:55.51 | nevyn | Ketchup: but are they mapped to files on windows or to hardware partitions? |
| 12:55.55 | jklm | or foresee my problem. |
| 12:56.04 | dawne | im not getting this update-alternatives thing...what file does gdm use? Xinitrc or something? |
| 12:56.04 | jethro | jklm: because you didn't give much details about the nature of your problem |
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| 12:56.42 | Lt-0 | perfdave that question had a simple answer until i started updating everything |
| 12:56.58 | jklm | nature of the problem is very straightforward. there is no sound when i play vcd w kaffeine. |
| 12:57.02 | jethro | doub who are you talking about? |
| 12:57.02 | PerfDave | Lt-0: What do you mean? |
| 12:57.22 | doub | jethro: quite everyone here for the last 5 minutes |
| 12:57.29 | jethro | doub :) |
| 12:57.30 | ericb_ | jklm, lol, you are cool |
| 12:57.33 | Coke | nevyn: I was refering to the prefix on the nicnames |
| 12:57.38 | Ketchup | files on windows |
| 12:57.43 | ericb_ | jethro, the french bully |
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| 12:57.51 | jklm | answer, pls, i am heating up. |
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| 12:57.56 | nevyn | Ketchup: right.. so they're not partitions at all. |
| 12:57.59 | nevyn | sigh. |
| 12:58.05 | dawne | okay ive got an idea...how do i uninstall gnome/gdm? just 'apt-get remove <gnome/gdm>'? i will just re-install cuz it worked fine before lol |
| 12:58.10 | greycat | !remove gnome |
| 12:58.11 | dpkg | hmm... remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 12:58.23 | Lt-0 | the initial install was kernel version 2.2.20-idepci but now i have the newest 2.4.18-686 |
| 12:58.26 | jethro | jklm: which sound driver are you using at the moment? |
| 12:58.29 | dawne | oh thanks |
| 12:58.30 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge gdm |
| 12:58.32 | jethro | jklm: oss ? alsa? |
| 12:58.42 | jklm | how to find out? |
| 12:58.48 | jethro | jklm: and also, do you have sound, when playing anything but a vcd? |
| 12:58.54 | jetscreamer | jklm sarge install? |
| 12:58.56 | jethro | jklm: lsmod as root should help |
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| 12:59.01 | dawne | must go, thanks again |
| 12:59.12 | Lt-0 | perfdave the initial install was kernel version 2.2.20-idepci but now i have the newest 2.4.18-686 |
| 12:59.18 | nevyn | 22:54 < nevyn> Ketchup: are these files or partitions? |
| 12:59.19 | nevyn | 22:55 < Ketchup> nevyn: partitions |
| 12:59.21 | jklm | i'll go check and return later. |
| 12:59.28 | Coke | I suck lol rofl l337 |
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| 12:59.38 | nevyn | Ketchup: what filesystem is your root filesystem? |
| 12:59.44 | jetscreamer | wisthler went to go see his mother |
| 13:00.05 | paulswm | !prize jetscreamer |
| 13:00.24 | Ketchup | nevyn: ext3 |
| 13:00.29 | PerfDave | Lt-0: Initial install of what, exactly? |
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| 13:00.42 | Ketchup | it's in a windows file |
| 13:00.51 | nevyn | Ketchup: right. |
| 13:00.51 | Ketchup | as the swap |
| 13:00.53 | Lt-0 | from cd |
| 13:01.11 | Lt-0 | version 2.2 woody |
| 13:01.14 | nevyn | I wonder if one can grow the file rather than muck around with multiple files on the windows side. |
| 13:01.32 | PerfDave | Lt-0: Right, so you've installed Woody and upgraded the kernel. What other changes have you made? |
| 13:01.35 | smacnay | any one know what this dmesg error might mean? I see it pop up every now and then: |
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| 13:01.38 | greycat | I hope you mean "Debian 3.0 (woody) with kernel 2.2 (because I was too stupid to press F1 for help when it said to do so)" |
| 13:01.38 | smacnay | MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 0. |
| 13:01.38 | smacnay | Bank 2: 940040000000017a |
| 13:01.50 | jklm | the only thing related to sound in lsmod is soundcore. problem ? |
| 13:01.58 | greycat | jklm: load your driver. |
| 13:02.10 | jethro | jklm: do you have any sound at all? even if not trying to play a vcd? |
| 13:02.11 | nevyn | smacnay: never seen it before.. what arch? |
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| 13:02.16 | nevyn | smacnay: smp? |
| 13:02.17 | jklm | thro kernel config? |
| 13:02.21 | Ketchup | it still says No spadce left on device |
| 13:02.24 | jethro | jklm: answering such questions could help us troubleshoot your problem |
| 13:02.31 | PerfDave | Lt-0: If you want a GUI, you might be better off installing Sarge. It's not (yet) released, but if you can live without security updates for a month or so (i.e. you're not on an Internet-facing machine), you'll get shinier, newer software and better hardware autodetection. |
| 13:02.35 | smacnay | nevyn: i386 - AMD cpu - kernel 2.6.8 (deb source) |
| 13:02.37 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Woohoo! - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=261526 |
| 13:02.50 | jklm | oh ya, temperature alarm. |
| 13:02.53 | nevyn | smacnay: what filesystem? |
| 13:03.02 | nevyn | smacnay: uniprocessor? |
| 13:03.02 | Lt-0 | perfdave curses lynx [ cp nano pico ] kde |
| 13:03.02 | smacnay | nevyn: shouldn't have that - I didn't select. - ext2 |
| 13:03.03 | ricky_clarkson | Debian is fast! |
| 13:03.04 | doub | smacnay: are you using ECC RAM ? |
| 13:03.08 | smacnay | nevyn: yes, uni |
| 13:03.13 | ricky_clarkson | It only took 10 months to get examples into the wget manual page! |
| 13:03.17 | jklm | using gkrellm to monitor temp/ |
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| 13:03.33 | smacnay | doub: I am not sure - I could be. PC 2700 is the speed, not sure about any more than that. |
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| 13:03.36 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: does this mean that *other* packages are going to get better man pages now, too? "This has been the intention all along, but the examples were missing due to a bug in the texi->man converter." |
| 13:03.47 | nevyn | smacnay: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:03.47 | greycat | or is this the only one whose man page is generated in that way? |
| 13:03.56 | smacnay | nevyn: will do... |
| 13:03.59 | nevyn | not here. but that'll tell you how fast it is. |
| 13:04.01 | jethro | jklm: cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp as root |
| 13:04.05 | doub | smacnay: the "bank 2" seem to indicate it's RAM related, as RAM slots are often named "bank" |
| 13:04.05 | ericb_ | coke, remember the email client problem you were helping me with earlier. I have progressed. I have fetchmail set to ~/Mail, and mutt set to /var/mail/username. I tried to make a link but failed, dunno what to do |
| 13:04.09 | jethro | jklm: tell me if you hear anything |
| 13:04.12 | greycat | jethro: better to use urandom for that |
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| 13:04.13 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Not a clue. |
| 13:04.23 | jethro | greycat: why? |
| 13:04.25 | doub | smacnay: maybe install memtest86, to test your RAM |
| 13:04.26 | jklm | ok, wait a while. |
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| 13:04.35 | jethro | I m being curious :) |
| 13:04.38 | greycat | jethro: he'll exhaust the entropy pool and /dev/random will block |
| 13:04.38 | Coke | ericb_: you should use the maildir system instead. it's easier to maintain. |
| 13:04.43 | smacnay | doub: will try that. |
| 13:04.43 | Lt-0 | perfdave i don't wish to use the machine in gui all the time just on occasion |
| 13:04.44 | jethro | ah point |
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| 13:04.49 | greycat | jethro: urandom doesn't block, but instead just recycles the bitgs |
| 13:04.51 | greycat | bits* |
| 13:04.56 | ericb_ | Coke, maildir instead of mutt? |
| 13:05.01 | jethro | greycat: that's why random is more efficient if you move the mouse? :) |
| 13:05.03 | smacnay | nevyn: what info was I looking for with that cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
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| 13:05.08 | MasterC | hi |
| 13:05.11 | PerfDave | Lt-0: You still might be better off with Sarge. |
| 13:05.14 | takisd | anyone know of any console program to test open ports on a machine (similar to gnome's network tool port scan tab)? |
| 13:05.22 | greycat | ericb_: maildir instead of *mbox*. |
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| 13:05.29 | greycat | jethro: man 4 random |
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| 13:05.35 | nevyn | takisd: local or remote? |
| 13:05.38 | nevyn | local is netstat -l remote is nmap |
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| 13:05.40 | Lt-0 | perfdave do you say that just because woody is not a very good distrobution? |
| 13:05.45 | doub | smacnay: otherwise try exchanging RAM sticks, if you have more than one, and see if the error changes to, say "bank 1" or "bank 3" instead of "bank 2" |
| 13:05.47 | takisd | nevyn: both preferred |
| 13:05.48 | jklm | /dev/dsp: no such device. |
| 13:05.53 | greycat | !nosuchdevice |
| 13:05.53 | dpkg | "No such device" means you're trying to access a device which exists in /dev but for which the kernel has no driver available. Try 'modconf', or rebuild your kernel. |
| 13:05.57 | takisd | local will do |
| 13:06.03 | doub | smacnay: assuming the error is always on "bank 2" |
| 13:06.03 | ericb_ | grecat, ? |
| 13:06.06 | nevyn | takisd: you can't scan what ports are locally open from the local machine. |
| 13:06.10 | greycat | ericb_: & |
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| 13:06.13 | nevyn | takisd: you get bogus responces |
| 13:06.14 | jklm | mind you, this is the first time i am trying out sound. |
| 13:06.17 | saintiss | hi... is it somehow possible that RAID info is stored in initrd? before the init process is launched, I get the message that the UUID of 2 RAID partitions is wrong, and I did indeed change their UUID |
| 13:06.22 | ericb_ | grecat, whats *mbox* |
| 13:06.27 | takisd | nevyn: sorry, remote then... thought you meant local nework |
| 13:06.28 | MasterC | how can I install a package? |
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| 13:06.31 | greycat | ericb_: it's mbox with stars around it for emphasis. |
| 13:06.33 | nevyn | takisd: because you're local you have access to stuff behind the packet filter |
| 13:06.35 | ricky_clarkson | MasterC: man apt-get |
| 13:06.37 | greycat | !tell ericb_ about mail tutorial |
| 13:06.39 | nevyn | takisd: nmap |
| 13:06.39 | daft | in what package is ssh-keygen ? |
| 13:06.43 | jethro | greycat: thanks for the info |
| 13:06.43 | greycat | daft: ssh |
| 13:06.48 | daft | :s |
| 13:06.49 | takisd | nmap.... thanks i'll try it |
| 13:06.53 | jklm | jethro: /dev/dsp: no such device. |
| 13:06.54 | nevyn | takisd: it's evil. |
| 13:07.00 | nevyn | takisd: but sometimes useful. |
| 13:07.05 | takisd | nevyn: why? |
| 13:07.07 | jethro | jklm: ah so you don't have sound at all |
| 13:07.15 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: apt-cache search says openssh-client |
| 13:07.18 | nevyn | takisd: if you're into security stuff... ettercap is more evil and sometimes more useful. |
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| 13:07.23 | daft | arggggg |
| 13:07.30 | greycat | !provides ssh sarge |
| 13:07.34 | jethro | jklm: we might eventually start helping without having to guess too much, now that you made things clear |
| 13:07.35 | daft | 2 systems on one pc is beaking me up |
| 13:07.35 | smacnay | doub: thanks |
| 13:07.38 | dpkg | ssh: rsh-client |
| 13:07.39 | takisd | nevyn: i'll try both |
| 13:07.42 | greycat | hrm. |
| 13:07.43 | jklm | jethro: how to put it in? |
| 13:07.45 | nevyn | nothing beats doing cisco and handing the teacher their password ;) |
| 13:07.47 | doub | smacnay: np |
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| 13:07.58 | jethro | jklm: you need to build and load the appropriate module |
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| 13:08.03 | greycat | arc1:~$ dpkg -S ssh-keygen |
| 13:08.03 | greycat | ssh: /usr/bin/ssh-keygen |
| 13:08.03 | greycat | ssh: /usr/share/man/man1/ssh-keygen.1.gz |
| 13:08.05 | jethro | jklm: which kernel are you using? |
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| 13:08.17 | jklm | 2.6.8 |
| 13:08.33 | jethro | jklm: is that a debian kernel image? did you build your own? |
| 13:08.49 | jetscreamer | he obviously has alsa |
| 13:08.53 | greycat | jklm: give us the *full* output of uname -a |
| 13:08.55 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 13:08.55 | dpkg | from memory, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
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| 13:08.58 | jklm | build my own. i think i have not config sound in |
| 13:09.05 | smacnay | doub: memtest is to be done on chunks of x meg? 16 for example? |
| 13:09.07 | greycat | !pal jklm |
| 13:09.09 | jethro | !debian kernel images |
| 13:09.11 | ricky_clarkson | Is alsa yet the default when you install Debian anew? |
| 13:09.15 | greycat | jethro: singular... |
| 13:09.19 | jethro | hmpf |
| 13:09.21 | jethro | !debian kernel image |
| 13:09.22 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 13:09.25 | jetscreamer | yes afaik ricky_clarkson |
| 13:09.37 | jethro | jklm: then build a new one, or use a kernel image |
| 13:09.46 | jethro | jklm: I suggest you use a kernel image by debian |
| 13:10.00 | jetscreamer | and only experiment building your own |
| 13:10.02 | doub | smacnay: i haven't really used it much, just on old hardware. RTFM ;) |
| 13:10.20 | ricky_clarkson | I haven't compiled my own kernel since 2002 or so, before I started using Debian. |
| 13:10.27 | jklm | no problem, i hv built kernel many times now. is alsa or oss selectable as a config item? |
| 13:10.39 | jethro | jklm: yes, in the config, in sound |
| 13:10.47 | smacnay | doub: thanks again. |
| 13:10.57 | doub | smacnay: np. good luck |
| 13:11.04 | jklm | ok |
| 13:11.09 | jklm | thks |
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| 13:11.16 | doub | jethro: where's the 99% figure from ? |
| 13:11.23 | jklm | bye |
| 13:11.28 | jethro | jklm: it's easier to follow if you prefix your messages with the nickname of the person youy're talking to |
| 13:11.33 | jethro | damn |
| 13:11.43 | jethro | doub: hexxeh|work I d say |
| 13:11.44 | faw | hahaha |
| 13:13.17 | doub | jethro: i guess he'd place himself in the 1% when he comes to recompile his kernel |
| 13:13.42 | jethro | doub: I guess he uses debian kernel images ;) |
| 13:14.16 | doub | as the thing goes (don't remember exactly, but it goes like this) : "there are two sorts of people : those who divide the world in two groups, and the others" |
| 13:14.22 | Ketchup | nevyn: here's my problem: my /dev/cobd0 is full: used 100%, i want to add another cobd of 2Gb, how can i do that??? |
| 13:14.31 | jethro | doub: haha |
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| 13:14.41 | nevyn | Ketchup: edit colinux.xml |
| 13:14.42 | jetscreamer | my glass is full, how do i put more in it? |
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| 13:14.50 | jethro | empty it first |
| 13:15.18 | Ketchup | nevyn: i add: <block_device index="2" path="\DosDevices\c:\coLinux\usr.img" |
| 13:15.18 | Ketchup | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:15.23 | nevyn | then add it to fstab etc etc etc. |
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| 13:15.39 | nevyn | Ketchup: go read the harddisk_upgrade howto |
| 13:15.42 | nevyn | it covers this. |
| 13:15.48 | Ketchup | ok |
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| 13:16.43 | nevyn | nice.... dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 13:16.43 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.47 | liable | jethro: you still awake? |
| 13:17.00 | ricky_clarkson | Where's me fork'n'knife? |
| 13:17.18 | jethro | liable: indeed |
| 13:17.24 | jethro | Mon May 9 15:17:23 CEST 2005 |
| 13:17.53 | jethro | it's still early |
| 13:17.53 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: You're IN CEST? |
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| 13:17.53 | jethro | yes |
| 13:18.05 | liable | jethro: sweet, fixed it, carrier check = No > carrier check = NO |
| 13:18.10 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: or whatever Europe/Paris is |
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| 13:18.20 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Sounds incestuous to me. |
| 13:18.31 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: explain |
| 13:18.42 | jethro | ah |
| 13:18.43 | jethro | got it |
| 13:18.43 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: IN CEST... incest |
| 13:18.45 | jethro | :) |
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| 13:18.56 | paulswm | *groan* |
| 13:18.58 | jethro | yeah my bad, I m slow :) |
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| 13:19.33 | jethro | liable: nice :) |
| 13:19.35 | _joey | To mark packets which will be handled by tc from iproute should be done in POSTROUTING CHAIN if I want to limit outgoing bandiwdith on certain protocols? |
| 13:19.35 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: *grunt*, *moan*, "ooooh". |
| 13:19.46 | paulswm | HAHA |
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| 13:21.00 | liable | jethro: yup, dunno why the capital o works, cause without the little o, it wont work at all, but done, and happy. :) |
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| 13:21.23 | jethro | hi abrotman |
| 13:21.27 | abrotman | hello |
| 13:21.31 | ricky_clarkson | !do the brotman |
| 13:21.37 | abrotman | jethro: it went crashy crashy again :( |
| 13:21.47 | jethro | abrotman: samba? |
| 13:21.48 | ricky_clarkson | !literal cmd: do (.*?) |
| 13:21.56 | dpkg | CMD: do (.*?) is ($1): <action> (does|refuses to do|eagerly does|reluctantly agrees to do|wonders why (he|she|it|they|we|you|those smelly goats) shoulddo|wouldn't dream of doing) $1 |
| 13:21.58 | abrotman | jethro: yeah .. but it was actually the whole machine this time afaict |
| 13:22.05 | ricky_clarkson | !cmd: do (.*?) =~ s/shoulddo/should do/ |
| 13:22.14 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg: you smell |
| 13:22.16 | jetscreamer | how is the nforce3 support |
| 13:22.20 | abrotman | dpkg: you stink |
| 13:22.28 | abrotman | i thought he knew about smelling |
| 13:22.38 | ricky_clarkson | I think he knows about crashing. |
| 13:22.39 | rossi | anyone knows about gnustep I boot with floppy from cd (have a 133 pentium 48 mb edo rams) and it cannot write to the virtual ram drives an I get kernel panic |
| 13:22.40 | ricky_clarkson | !ping |
| 13:22.40 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:22.42 | jethro | dpkg: you suck |
| 13:22.42 | dpkg | Dream on, jethro. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 13:22.47 | jethro | mouahahaha |
| 13:22.52 | ctmnz | which kernel works better with dual procesor xeon with hyper traiding ? |
| 13:22.56 | jetscreamer | aka i'm thinking of upgrading, what mobo chipsets should i be looking at, as far as linux support |
| 13:23.07 | jethro | jetscreamer: keep away from nforce |
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| 13:23.15 | abrotman | jetscreamer: which CPU is the question |
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| 13:23.28 | jetscreamer | 686-smp iirc ctmnz |
| 13:23.28 | ricky_clarkson | Ops, I thought you got rid of themolester for responding to !ping |
| 13:23.31 | resiak | dpkg: cmd: do (.*?) =~ s/shoulddo/should do/ |
| 13:23.31 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
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| 13:23.32 | jetscreamer | i could be worng |
| 13:23.34 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: ^^ |
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| 13:23.45 | Coke | jethro: why? my nforce2 works fine. |
| 13:23.46 | smhar | hi everybody |
| 13:23.47 | ctmnz | jetscreamer: why 686 ? |
| 13:23.48 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: I need to use dpkg: instead of !? |
| 13:24.00 | jetscreamer | i hate via.. i was thinking amd though |
| 13:24.06 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Seems so. raseac needs the same. I'll look into it someday ;-) |
| 13:24.08 | jetscreamer | ctmnz: pentium optimizations |
| 13:24.12 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: That thuckth. |
| 13:24.13 | jethro | Coke: later version don't "work fine" yet afaict |
| 13:24.13 | jetscreamer | k7 is for amd |
| 13:24.24 | smhar | what is the best (and easiest) firewall builder? |
| 13:24.28 | abrotman | vi! |
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| 13:24.37 | petemc | itym vim |
| 13:24.44 | ricky_clarkson | !do the brotman |
| 13:24.45 | jethro | !tell smhar -about search |
| 13:24.48 | jetscreamer | lokkit is quick and easy |
| 13:24.48 | greycat | ITYM obsd |
| 13:24.48 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Yeth, it doeth. Anyway, it'th time for a thanditcth! |
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| 13:24.53 | ctmnz | i have a problem. I have a dual procesor xeon 1.7 MHZ and kernel compiled with SMP |
| 13:25.08 | resiak | ctmnz: That's a problem? |
| 13:25.12 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: There's a 'w' in thandwitcth, I'll have you know. |
| 13:25.17 | greycat | jethro: "man pf.conf", then. |
| 13:25.20 | cef | 1.7 Mhz? man, talk about slow! |
| 13:25.22 | ctmnz | but my procesors do not have load balancing |
| 13:25.28 | jethro | greycat: or vim pf.conf :p |
| 13:25.34 | ricky_clarkson | cef: During the war.. |
| 13:25.35 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Thorry. My thpeecth thircuitth are malthunkthionthing! |
| 13:25.37 | ctmnz | I mean that; only cp0 works |
| 13:25.45 | ctmnz | my second procesor do not works |
| 13:25.49 | jethro | reminds me on the fact that I need to upgrade my gateway tonight |
| 13:25.52 | resiak | ricky_clarkthon: Thit. |
| 13:25.55 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: thowe-kay |
| 13:25.59 | greycat | ctmnz: you english do not works either. |
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| 13:26.15 | jethro | greycat: are you running a 3.7 snapshot yet? |
| 13:26.16 | PerfDave | rethiak ith igor and I claim my five poundth. |
| 13:26.16 | cef | ricky_clarkson: heh.. I used to use Apple ]['s and the like.. I know all about slow |
| 13:26.20 | greycat | jethro: no |
| 13:26.20 | ctmnz | when i put echo 2 in some irq .. my secound procesor begins to work.. |
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| 13:26.27 | resiak | PerfDave: I paid you back, yes? |
| 13:26.32 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: him english is better than thes englishes of resiak. |
| 13:26.33 | saintiss | where can I find info about when exactly mdadm is launched if it's launched before init? i.e. looking at the init scripts is useless, right? |
| 13:26.33 | PerfDave | resiak: Hee :) |
| 13:26.35 | greycat | jethro: I tend to be rather conservative about upgrading across flag days |
| 13:26.52 | jethro | greycat: what do you mean by flag days? |
| 13:26.56 | revell | hi, is there sth like rc-status from gentoo under debian as well? |
| 13:27.05 | resiak | PerthDave: Pith, I keep thorgething to thpeak like thith! |
| 13:27.09 | greycat | revell: describe what it *does*. We don't know it. |
| 13:27.13 | ctmnz | but.. I want to make some load balancing of the procesors work |
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| 13:27.19 | resiak | !tell ctmnz -about enter |
| 13:27.22 | jberg | can someone tell me the default PATH for a normal user in debian? i think i fucked up my PATH |
| 13:27.31 | greycat | !wikifaq jberg DotFiles |
| 13:27.32 | dpkg | jberg: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:27.32 | jm_ | jberg: login.defs |
| 13:27.39 | jberg | jm_, thanks |
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| 13:27.42 | jethro | greycat: like, you don't upgrade just before they plan to release? |
| 13:27.48 | jberg | and you too dpkg |
| 13:27.52 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games ? |
| 13:27.54 | gtigene | Does cron write to a log file when it has problems and if so where is it please? |
| 13:27.54 | jberg | err greycat |
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| 13:28.03 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: wtf? |
| 13:28.04 | revell | greycat: it simply displays which init.ds are running atm |
| 13:28.11 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: my bad, must've been for jberg |
| 13:28.12 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: ftw? |
| 13:28.16 | jethro | :) |
| 13:28.19 | jethro | !slap ricky_clarkson |
| 13:28.20 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Ah, sorry. |
| 13:28.31 | ricky_clarkson | jberg: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games ? |
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| 13:28.52 | jberg | thanks |
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| 13:29.25 | jethro | heh |
| 13:29.46 | smhar | I've seen gaurddog and kmyfirewall, but I don't have any past experience with this so I don't know whic is better |
| 13:29.53 | abrotman | vi! |
| 13:30.07 | ctmnz | can somebody helps me, about this problem. I mean .. how I can make both procesors works together and sytem balancing for each ot them to be equal |
| 13:30.15 | doub | abrotman: emacs is better |
| 13:30.20 | doub | !start an editor war |
| 13:30.21 | dpkg | "cat >" users need to get a life |
| 13:30.22 | abrotman | doub: doubtful |
| 13:30.23 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman->removeTimedSpam("vi!"); |
| 13:30.27 | jethro | weeeeee, obd 3.7 supports the zaurus |
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| 13:30.44 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i have no -> operator .. i'm a bobbit |
| 13:30.57 | nevyn | sigh windows power users and their firewall paranoia. |
| 13:31.03 | doub | abrotman: just kidding |
| 13:31.13 | sobersabre | is /j irc command capcble of accepting more than 1 channel ? |
| 13:31.20 | sobersabre | i mean /join |
| 13:31.28 | ricky_clarkson | sobersabre: Depends on your client. |
| 13:31.28 | jm_ | sobersabre: that depends on your IRC client and network |
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| 13:31.46 | sobersabre | thanks |
| 13:31.51 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: Why on network? Do some networks only allow you to join one channel? |
| 13:32.10 | liable | smhar: if you dont want to learn iptables, guarddog will do you fine. |
| 13:32.16 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: not sure if all IRC server out there accept comma separated channel list |
| 13:32.19 | jm_ | servers |
| 13:32.31 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: The client could pretend though.. |
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| 13:32.38 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: indeed |
| 13:32.53 | doub | ricky_clarkson: exactly. besides, your ID is controlled by IRC border patrol on those networks |
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| 13:34.24 | IDC | PLease suggest me a neat Email server for debian :) |
| 13:34.35 | abrotman | postfix! |
| 13:34.35 | gtigene | What is the siimplest way to read mail that cron has sent to 'root' (I am trying to figure out why my cron jobs don't run)? |
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| 13:34.39 | caphuso | IDC: fine "email server" |
| 13:34.42 | abrotman | IDC: what other requirements do you have? |
| 13:34.43 | caphuso | err, define |
| 13:34.48 | IDC | I have sucessfully added MX record from my provider ,tested ok |
| 13:34.55 | jm_ | gtigene: mutt |
| 13:34.58 | petemc | gtigene: alias root to a normal user |
| 13:35.08 | jm_ | gtigene: but you should realyl configure it so it's send to system administrator instead |
| 13:35.12 | jm_ | sent |
| 13:35.16 | caphuso | IDC: so we're talking SMTP here... exim or postfix, either is fine |
| 13:35.48 | SlayerXP | s/or postfix//; |
| 13:36.02 | IDC | abrotman, basically,not hoping it would have too many people to resiter the service,so 1st: security one 2nd: small that it takes very tiny system resource |
| 13:36.05 | ctmnz | when I put this into console 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' I see two processors. But my dual xeon has hyper traiding. My question is: " From where I can see what kind of processor (physical/hypertraideing) is showed?" |
| 13:36.13 | abrotman | resiter? |
| 13:36.14 | IDC | s/resiter/register |
| 13:36.18 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:36.31 | abrotman | IDC: postfix or exim should be fine |
| 13:36.47 | IDC | caphuso, i will have to setup a SMTP and POP3 server in local ? |
| 13:37.01 | caphuso | IDC: uh |
| 13:37.10 | t_scytale | ctmnz, you sure you are running a smp kernel? i'm on a dual xeon and i see 4 cpu's mentioned in cpuinfo |
| 13:37.12 | IDC | I am curring using exim to fowarding some messages in local only |
| 13:37.16 | IDC | currently* sorry |
| 13:37.53 | caphuso | IDC: you should forget about setting up your own mail system for now, shop for a book or two about email and spend a week reading |
| 13:38.04 | ctmnz | t_scytale: Yes, I'm sure! |
| 13:38.05 | ctmnz | shaper:~# uname -a |
| 13:38.05 | ctmnz | Linux shaper 2.4.29 #7 SMP Thu Apr 7 17:54:36 EEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:38.09 | IDC | caphuso, So users can use email client to receive/send emails ,so i think i need to configure a SMTP and a POP3 server as well ? |
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| 13:38.32 | IDC | I mean,without having to log on their email account on web to do the jobs |
| 13:38.36 | ricky_clarkson | IDC: Sounds like you need to do some reading - not necessarily of paper books though. |
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| 13:39.20 | IDC | hmm |
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| 13:39.36 | gtigene | jm_: Where can I learn about this "system administrator" user. I grepped /etc/passwd and didn't find a user with "admin" in the name? |
| 13:39.38 | ericb_ | i must surrender. Setting up gmail using pop3 on Linux is beyond the scope of my meger capabilities. |
| 13:39.45 | dawne | ummmm...isnt there such a thing as apt-reconfigure? seems mine has disappeared |
| 13:39.49 | marcelo_maia | @locator clipes de musica |
| 13:39.51 | caphuso | dawne: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:39.56 | jm_ | gtigene: well that would be the person who's responsible for administering the machine |
| 13:39.57 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 13:39.59 | dawne | ohhhhhhhh thanks |
| 13:40.05 | dawne | erich_: its not that hard |
| 13:40.05 | ctmnz | t_scytale: I'm not realy sure that my second procesor works. I want to knew what kind of procesor I see. Hypertraded or Physical |
| 13:40.36 | jetscreamer | ctmnz: you should be showing about 4 procs with hyperthreading on 2 procs |
| 13:40.38 | t_scytale | ummm, (checks dmesg) |
| 13:40.41 | gtigene | jm_: That is me, but I do it all as root. I need to learn more about administering my machine. Any suggestions? |
| 13:40.49 | greycat | ctmnz: the word is "hyperthreading". |
| 13:41.00 | dark_enigma | gtigene: yes, learn about sudo :-) |
| 13:41.05 | jm_ | gtigene: well start by reconfiguring your MTA so that it sends mail for root to you |
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| 13:41.19 | ricky_clarkson | Hypertraded ;) |
| 13:41.24 | christian2203 | hello there |
| 13:41.34 | ricky_clarkson | Does that mean 'bought really quickly on eBay'? |
| 13:41.34 | christian2203 | need some help with bash |
| 13:41.37 | ricky_clarkson | #bash |
| 13:41.39 | ctmnz | jetscreamer: but if my second procesor do not works and my first proceros works with hypertraiding ? |
| 13:41.49 | christian2203 | thx |
| 13:41.50 | ericb_ | I can use mutt to send emails. I can use fetchmail to fetch email from gmail. But I can't use mutt to read those emails! |
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| 13:41.57 | gtigene | jm_: Thank you. |
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| 13:42.01 | gtigene | :) |
| 13:42.09 | jetscreamer | ctmnz: beyond me, i just know each proc should show up as 2 procs in top or whatever |
| 13:42.10 | bbrazil | ericb_: fecthmail can pass mail on to procmail |
| 13:42.12 | ricky_clarkson | ericb_: Where is fetchmail putting the emails? |
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| 13:42.26 | t_scytale | well you should check the dmesg output - it's missing on my box but near the top it sould describe what processors it sees |
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| 13:42.38 | ericb_ | ricky_clarckson, ~/Mail |
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| 13:42.44 | ericb_ | bbrazil, please elaborate |
| 13:42.51 | greycat | ericb_: fetchmail feeds the mail to your local MTA. Mutt should then read from the local mailbox, or from the local IMAP/POP3 daemon. |
| 13:43.06 | bbrazil | ericb_: theres some fetchmail option to pass your mail onto an arbritary program |
| 13:43.08 | ricky_clarkson | ericb_: mutt -f ~/Mail |
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| 13:43.20 | ISkywalker | how can i connect to an xp network? |
| 13:43.22 | ISkywalker | i am on the network, when i boot windows xp i can see the others computers, but how can i do it on knoppix? |
| 13:43.35 | ISkywalker | knoppix is built on debian.... |
| 13:43.37 | ricky_clarkson | ISkywalker: Ask elsewhere. |
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| 13:43.48 | ISkywalker | some idea where? |
| 13:43.50 | PerfDave | ISkywalker: #knoppix |
| 13:43.56 | dawne | ericb__: yea, name of room = #debian |
| 13:43.56 | streuner_ | !based on debian |
| 13:43.56 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 13:43.59 | ISkywalker | already did |
| 13:44.00 | ricky_clarkson | ISkywalker: French is built on Latin, but you don't ask a Latin professor how to speak French. |
| 13:44.03 | ISkywalker | nobody there |
| 13:44.06 | ericb_ | ricky_clarkson: yeah, that should work |
| 13:44.07 | PerfDave | ISkywalker: That's not our problem. |
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| 13:44.15 | PerfDave | !not supporting knoppix |
| 13:44.16 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support knoppix too. Try #knoppix or donating money to charity. |
| 13:44.26 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Nice to see my factoids live on. |
| 13:44.30 | ctmnz | jetscreamer: I mean this case: I have dual processor but my secound processor do not work properly. |
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| 13:44.45 | ISkywalker | hehehe, i just ask here, cause you maybe know how to do it on debian |
| 13:45.08 | PerfDave | ISkywalker: personally, I use smbmount from the command line, but I suspect that's not what you want. |
| 13:45.10 | ricky_clarkson | ISkywalker: We know how to do the samba. |
| 13:45.30 | ISkywalker | PerfDave: well i could live with that |
| 13:45.39 | Chameleon22 | how can i find a package that provides a particular lib... i dont recall the command :( |
| 13:45.48 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:45.50 | t_scytale | ctmnz, what kernel you using? and what does dmesg say the kernel sees (near the top). looks like you're right about one of the cpu'snot working |
| 13:45.53 | TinoW | !not supporting wicked weasels |
| 13:45.54 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support wicked weasels too. Try #wicked weasels or donating money to charity. |
| 13:46.10 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: thanks |
| 13:46.21 | ctmnz | I'm already pasted this: |
| 13:46.21 | ctmnz | shaper:~# uname -a |
| 13:46.21 | ctmnz | Linux shaper 2.4.29 #7 SMP Thu Apr 7 17:54:36 EEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:46.26 | TinoW | dpkgscript needs some improvements in the grammar parser ;) |
| 13:46.42 | ricky_clarkson | TinoW: It's a particular factoid, not hardcoded. |
| 13:46.44 | mikeKJL | How can I determine where fetchmail putting my mail? |
| 13:46.52 | ricky_clarkson | !literal cmd: not supporting (.*?) |
| 13:46.54 | dpkg | CMD: not supporting (.*?) is ($1): <reply>We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support $1 too. Try #$1 or donating money to charity. |
| 13:47.04 | ISkywalker | PerfDave: how do you do that with samba? |
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| 13:47.10 | PerfDave | ISkywalker: man smbmount |
| 13:47.12 | saintiss | if I boot e.g. into knoppix, can I do a mkinitrd to create an initrd for my debian system? |
| 13:47.20 | ISkywalker | man smbmnt? |
| 13:47.20 | t_scytale | ctmnz, most likely not working cpu so. |
| 13:47.25 | saintiss | i.e. mkinitrd -o /path/to/mounted/debian ? |
| 13:47.29 | ctmnz | hmmm |
| 13:47.30 | saintiss | will that work? |
| 13:47.33 | TinoW | ricky_clarkson: ah, so maybe the regex should catch on the last word ;) |
| 13:47.42 | ricky_clarkson | TinoW: I could probably fix the factoid. |
| 13:47.45 | ctmnz | this is no good :) |
| 13:47.54 | TinoW | ricky_clarkson: not sure if its worth the fun ;) |
| 13:47.59 | ctmnz | whatever. thanks for the help. |
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| 13:48.14 | streuner_ | ctmnz: why not chroot into your debian-system and get a kernel? |
| 13:48.23 | mikeKJL | I better try to figure this out on my own and maybe learn something |
| 13:48.30 | mikeKJL | c ya, peace in the middle east |
| 13:48.33 | saintiss | alternatively: can I create an initrd which does not have raid info? |
| 13:48.52 | saintiss | because when I do mkinitrd, I get errors from mdadm, so apparently that is called? |
| 13:49.40 | ctmnz | streuner_: because i have expirience with kernel compilation and I know that I can do this. It's not from kernel. |
| 13:49.52 | TinoW | ah speaking of initrd... I notice hotplug gets called twice on boot - is it included in the initrd maybe too? |
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| 13:51.11 | ctmnz | I just wan to know, "what kind of processor i see when i put in console 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'" |
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| 13:51.52 | ricky_clarkson | TinoW: I funked it ;( |
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| 13:53.01 | ctmnz | what is the difference between physical processors and processors when I permit hyppertrading |
| 13:53.13 | nevyn | cache |
| 13:53.18 | nevyn | well nothing. |
| 13:53.33 | nevyn | but if you have a single heavy workload.. hyperthreading may hurt more than it helps |
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| 13:53.51 | greycat | hype threading. |
| 13:53.58 | happyb | debian sarge, thinkpad, xircom....lsmod lists xircom_cb but 0 used by |
| 13:54.00 | ricky_clarkson | If you sell non-physical processors on ebay you might get done. |
| 13:54.03 | happyb | and thus, no networking |
| 13:54.06 | toadi | does someone know where is documentation to install raid1 with latest debian sarge netinst? |
| 13:54.10 | happyb | eth0 is up, but no dhcp |
| 13:54.27 | ctmnz | okay.. hype threading ... excuse me for my bad grammar :) |
| 13:54.38 | happyb | i put alias eth0 xircom_cb in /etc/modults/aliases, but no help |
| 13:54.46 | ricky_clarkson | ctmnz: hyperthreading - "hype threading" is a joke. |
| 13:55.13 | ctmnz | I cant understand that joke because my english is not good |
| 13:55.41 | happyb | its not that funy anyway! |
| 13:55.55 | greycat | (says the Intel customer) |
| 13:55.57 | ctmnz | okay. whatever. |
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| 13:56.14 | happyb | any thoughts on my networking issue? |
| 13:56.28 | streuner_ | happyb: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
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| 13:56.36 | ricky_clarkson | happyb: pump some iron, baby. |
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| 13:57.00 | happyb | its not on this machien... |
| 13:57.05 | happyb | what do you want to see streuner? |
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| 13:57.21 | streuner_ | happyb: no idea about laptops |
| 13:57.45 | happyb | dhclient is installed and runs, but i never get an ip |
| 13:57.58 | happyb | i think the card and the driver are not associated right. |
| 13:58.01 | ctmnz | But i still wondering that " Why I can not discern physicals and hyperthraid processors " |
| 13:58.02 | jethro | sniff the ether |
| 13:58.23 | TinoW | hyperthreading is good. I selled all my 2nd virtual processors on eBay ;) |
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| 13:58.55 | happyb | ill fax you some money for each virtual proc tinow |
| 13:58.58 | happyb | just tell me how much |
| 13:58.59 | TinoW | ctmnz: maybe with a benchmarking you can |
| 13:58.59 | ctmnz | TinoW: It was a joke, isn`t it ? |
| 13:59.07 | jethro | heh |
| 13:59.16 | t_scytale | ctmnz, i'm not sure the kernel can tell the difference between running on 2 seperate physical processors or 1 processor w/ dual hyperthreading |
| 13:59.17 | TinoW | ctmnz: well, now I'm rich and can IRC all day long ;) |
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| 14:00.02 | TinoW | hi ntoh! |
| 14:00.09 | streuner_ | happyb: do you have an hardware-router? |
| 14:00.19 | happyb | yes |
| 14:00.20 | streuner_ | happyb: can you ping it? |
| 14:00.50 | ctmnz | okay boys, I have to go. Thanks for the good conversation. |
| 14:00.54 | t_scytale | ctmnz, in your situation i would |
| 14:00.56 | happyb | yes....all other machines are on same router. |
| 14:01.00 | TinoW | streuner_: a hardware router... is this something like a conveyer? |
| 14:01.03 | happyb | this is a problem on this laptap |
| 14:01.04 | t_scytale | remove the second processor and see if that makes a difference |
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| 14:01.19 | happyb | you can turn off hyperthreading in some bios'sss i think |
| 14:01.20 | teknoprep | hi all |
| 14:01.21 | ctmnz | t_scytale: that is a good idea |
| 14:01.32 | teknoprep | happyb yes you can on mine.. so yes some you can turn it off |
| 14:01.42 | t_scytale | easier than removing the cpu |
| 14:01.51 | streuner_ | happyb: what's the IP of the gateway/router? |
| 14:02.06 | happyb | 10.10.10.100 |
| 14:02.43 | streuner_ | happyb: and DHCP works on the other boxes in LAN? |
| 14:02.54 | happyb | yup |
| 14:03.03 | johnga1t | how can i make my bash prompt show (at most) the last two directories in my pwd? |
| 14:03.08 | streuner_ | happyb: what does 'ping -c1 10.10.10.100 |
| 14:03.13 | streuner_ | say? |
| 14:03.15 | greycat | johnga1t: ask #bash |
| 14:03.28 | petemc | why would you need to disbale HT in the bios? it doesnt work unless you have acpi processor enumeration enabled |
| 14:03.29 | johnga1t | greycat: good idea. sorry to bother debian peeps. |
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| 14:03.37 | happyb | network is unreachable |
| 14:03.47 | teknoprep | yeah i have been having a problem with dhcp working on the boot up of debian also |
| 14:03.55 | teknoprep | as if it doesn't have dhcpcd installed or what not |
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| 14:04.04 | exerd | where are system logs saved? or my user logs |
| 14:04.07 | teknoprep | try assigning a manual ip |
| 14:04.13 | streuner_ | happyb: check out interfaces again |
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| 14:04.14 | happyb | lsmod shows xircom_cb 0 used....it should say 1 right/ |
| 14:04.19 | happyb | i think that is my prob |
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| 14:04.23 | happyb | ok |
| 14:04.23 | teknoprep | exerd cd /log/var |
| 14:04.25 | jetscreamer | /var/log/ |
| 14:04.33 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 14:04.50 | happyb | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 14:05.01 | teknoprep | yeah |
| 14:05.05 | teknoprep | try this happyb |
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| 14:05.11 | teknoprep | set up a manual ip |
| 14:05.17 | teknoprep | then.. apt-get install dhcpcd |
| 14:05.17 | callie | anyone here have much apache experience |
| 14:05.19 | streuner_ | happyb: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 14:05.27 | streuner_ | happyb: and READ IT THIS TIME |
| 14:05.28 | greycat | callie: there's a whole channel full of apache users at #apache |
| 14:05.59 | happyb | what do you mean /msg dpgk? |
| 14:06.00 | callie | of course, but i always get such good help here |
| 14:06.12 | exerd | i downloaded a desklet called multitail that will show log on my desktop but it says /var/log/messages access denied |
| 14:06.14 | streuner_ | happyb: type that into your irc-client |
| 14:06.17 | TinoW | anyone here has an answer to a question? ;) |
| 14:06.50 | happyb | laptop is broken and not on network, so it wont conncet to irc, soo... |
| 14:07.07 | stew | teknoprep: why do you recommend dhcpcd instead of dhcp-client? |
| 14:07.12 | streuner_ | !tell happyb about interfaces |
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| 14:07.46 | exerd | do only root has read rights to /var/log/messages? |
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| 14:08.01 | exerd | and view rights |
| 14:08.08 | TinoW | exerd: ls -l /var/log/messages and compare with output of "id" which group/user you are and which group/user is able to read the file. Use su/sudo accordingly or add yourself to the apropriate group |
| 14:08.11 | stouset | exerd: adm group does |
| 14:08.25 | happyb | thanks for the info streuner, but im sure its my module not associating with card right. |
| 14:08.34 | happyb | but i do have to go to work now as i am 2 hours late |
| 14:08.38 | happyb | thanks for the input |
| 14:09.02 | exerd | TinoW, -rw-r----- 1 root adm 128791 2005-05-09 16:08 /var/log/messages Thats what i get. Now how do i add myself? |
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| 14:09.22 | TinoW | exerd: man group |
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| 14:09.51 | rj_ | If i force a package install using --ignore-depends=package |
| 14:09.59 | rj_ | How can i tell apt-get not to remove it? |
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| 14:10.36 | TinoW | exerd: basically you edit /etc/groups and add your userid after the adm enty, save and logout/login (or open another terminal) |
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| 14:10.58 | fatal_ | "adduser foo bar" works too. |
| 14:11.20 | teknoprep | stew: becuase i am used to it |
| 14:11.21 | fatal_ | no need to edit any files. |
| 14:11.35 | CodeWarrior_ | hi friends ! I've a doubt about exim + testing. I use a Dial Up connection and every time I boot my x86 pc the exim stay stop about 40 secs to start up, any help ? |
| 14:11.37 | teknoprep | stew: if i have a problem with something i already know what it is and what needs to be done |
| 14:11.58 | petemc | CodeWarrior_: apt-get install ifplugd |
| 14:12.00 | exerd | TinoW, like this: adm:x:4: exerd |
| 14:12.08 | teknoprep | stew: same with using any client or server over any other client or server.. it personal preference |
| 14:12.08 | TinoW | exerd: without space |
| 14:12.16 | teknoprep | and i fell it works better anyway |
| 14:12.16 | CodeWarrior_ | petemc: thanks friend ! |
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| 14:12.40 | exerd | TinoW, Is that secure to have on your normal user? wich i play games on and chat on irc. |
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| 14:12.47 | TinoW | exerd: you need to logout/login or open a new loginshell afterwards. "id" will tell you when you belong to the group |
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| 14:13.03 | TinoW | exerd: alternatively you install sudo |
| 14:13.29 | grigora | anyone knows why there aren't any Sarge ISO-s for AMD 64 Opteron? |
| 14:13.50 | streuner_ | grigora: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 14:13.56 | PerfDave | grigora: Because Sarge doesn't officially support amd64. /msg dpkg amd64, or install x86 Sarge on it. |
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| 14:14.47 | grigora | streuner_: PerfDave: thanks |
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| 14:15.04 | exerd | TinoW, now it works it looks like this when i type ID: uid=1000(exerd) gid=1000(exerd) grupper=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy), |
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| 14:15.39 | exerd | TinoW, but is it secure to do as i did? |
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| 14:15.48 | necrite | hi all |
| 14:16.01 | jethro | hi |
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| 14:16.11 | jklm | hi, have rebuild kernel. now lsmod shows i810_audio and ac97_codec. still no sound while playing vcd. check my hardware. the audio system is based on i82801EB w analog Devices AD1985 codec but these are not available in the kernel config menu. how now, wizard? |
| 14:16.49 | jethro | !tell jklm -about alsa |
| 14:16.54 | jklm | hi,jethro, any help? |
| 14:17.03 | abrotman | jklm: why did you rebuild your kernel ? |
| 14:17.07 | jethro | jklm: read what dpkg /msg'ed to you |
| 14:17.16 | jethro | abrotman: because the previous one lacked sound support |
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| 14:17.23 | abrotman | it did ? |
| 14:17.29 | jethro | indeed |
| 14:17.35 | jklm | nothing appears on my screen for !tell. |
| 14:17.39 | abrotman | that driver isn't in the kernel ? |
| 14:17.44 | abrotman | jklm: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 14:17.45 | jethro | jklm: do you ignore dpkg ? |
| 14:17.46 | TinoW | exerd: well, not so much. every process with your id can read these files now. You might start games and stuff in a changeroot if you are really concerned. otoh, every process with your account has access to your display and can therefore read password entering, can read pixels from display and so on. If you are concerned, use sudo instead |
| 14:17.48 | necrite | there is another trouble ticket system then request-tracker3.4 ? |
| 14:17.56 | abrotman | necrite: packaged in debian? |
| 14:18.01 | necrite | yes |
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| 14:18.07 | jethro | jklm: dpkg should have /msg'ed you |
| 14:18.15 | jethro | jklm: 16:16:51 dpkg | told jklm about alsa. |
| 14:18.16 | abrotman | necrite: apt-cache search ? |
| 14:18.18 | streuner_ | !alsa |
| 14:18.18 | dpkg | alsa is probably On Sarge, when using a debian 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 14:18.33 | exerd | TinoW, but im the only user on this computer so i guess its nothing to wory about |
| 14:18.51 | exerd | i have this in my /var/log/messages May 9 16:17:51 localhost last message repeated 11 times |
| 14:18.55 | abrotman | necrite: and use variations .. like `apt-cache search issue track` or apt-cache search request track |
| 14:18.56 | exerd | what does it mean? |
| 14:18.56 | CodeWarrior_ | another question: anybody used to setup modems in Testing (2.6.8 kernel) ? |
| 14:19.01 | TinoW | exerd: just so you know ;) ssh -X root@localhost yourlogreader would have worked too |
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| 14:19.09 | abrotman | CodeWarrior_: what kind of modems ? |
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| 14:19.24 | CodeWarrior_ | abrotman: intel 537 (on board) |
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| 14:19.26 | jklm | 'msg dpkg' does not work? |
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| 14:19.32 | CodeWarrior_ | abrotman: dial up |
| 14:19.33 | jklm | what's happening? |
| 14:19.34 | ericb_ | I finally got my gmail account working via pop3 and mutt on linux. |
| 14:19.39 | jethro | jklm: where are you typing /msg dpkg ? |
| 14:19.43 | ericb_ | Thanks goes to poli |
| 14:19.51 | jklm | in the input space. |
| 14:19.53 | jethro | jklm: you're supposed to do it in your irc client while on freenode, not in a shell |
| 14:19.57 | abrotman | CodeWarrior_: /msg dpkg winmodem |
| 14:19.57 | ericb_ | beers for everyone on me |
| 14:20.00 | jklm | i did it before. |
| 14:20.10 | abrotman | CodeWarrior_: that's a decent place to start .. |
| 14:20.13 | qwertz | Hi! Is there a tool that shows access to the harddrive on my keyboard leds? |
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| 14:20.31 | abrotman | qwertz: soldering iron :) |
| 14:20.42 | CodeWarrior_ | abrotman: thanks friend ! |
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| 14:21.02 | TinoW | exerd: well, thats plain english. It does mean what it says ;) |
| 14:21.07 | teknoprep | wtf ... lol.. i can not get my dhcp to work in debian for eth0 |
| 14:21.18 | jklm | the problem anyway, the problem is that my audio codec is not in the kernel config menu. |
| 14:21.28 | ericb_ | teknoprep, why not? |
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| 14:21.40 | teknoprep | i can get it to work if i do.. ifconfig eth0 up |
| 14:21.42 | TinoW | teknoprep: dhcp client or server? |
| 14:21.43 | teknoprep | dhcpcd eth0 |
| 14:21.49 | teknoprep | client.. server stuff is easy |
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| 14:22.01 | TinoW | tekkah: you installed dhcpclient package? |
| 14:22.02 | exerd | TinoW, yea but why do i get it? |
| 14:22.18 | qwertz | abrotman, last time I tried soldering I wrecked my trousers :) |
| 14:22.19 | teknoprep | let me check.. i installed apt-get install dchpcd |
| 14:22.23 | teknoprep | dhcpcd even |
| 14:22.25 | TinoW | tekkah: then man interfaces, when you are ready with editing that file, use ifup eth0 |
| 14:22.27 | necrite | abrotman, i whant to know if anoine here use one.. |
| 14:22.39 | tekkah | TinoW, actually means teknoprep ;p |
| 14:22.48 | TinoW | tekkah: yes ;) |
| 14:22.51 | abrotman | necrite: ah .. osrry .. i thought you were looking for alterntaives |
| 14:22.59 | ericb_ | /sbin/dhcpcd |
| 14:23.00 | abrotman | qwertz: uhm .. yeah .. don't do that then :) |
| 14:23.01 | teknoprep | i am teknoprep |
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| 14:23.09 | abrotman | teknoprep: nice to meet you |
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| 14:23.16 | TinoW | so many confusing similar nicks an a sucking nick-completion with this client ;) |
| 14:23.24 | teknoprep | not tekkah .. i believe you are speaking to me TinoW |
| 14:23.35 | TinoW | teknoprep: yes yes yes ;) |
| 14:23.39 | teknoprep | hehe |
| 14:23.48 | ericb_ | teknoprep, did you do /sbin/dhcpcd |
| 14:24.02 | teknoprep | i want dhcp to work on boot up |
| 14:24.02 | necrite | abrotman, :) |
| 14:24.07 | ericb_ | teknoprep, I thought dhcpcd was finished and dhclient rules now |
| 14:24.07 | TinoW | teknoprep: your server is working? |
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| 14:24.13 | teknoprep | i can get it to manually work at console |
| 14:24.21 | teknoprep | dhcpcd eth0 < --- this works |
| 14:24.22 | exerd | TinoW, do you know why i get it? |
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| 14:24.34 | teknoprep | boot up does not get dhcp address |
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| 14:24.47 | TinoW | teknoprep: if you edit /etc/network/interfaces and have /etc/init.d/networking linked to the appropriate rc.x directory, you get it |
| 14:24.48 | Phated | They have debian tshirts now? |
| 14:24.52 | teknoprep | i will pastebin my /etf/network/interface |
| 14:24.53 | jethro | where? |
| 14:25.01 | jethro | Phated: ? |
| 14:25.10 | Phated | 22:24 * | mikeX is getting debian T-shirts, yayyy : ) |
| 14:25.18 | jethro | ah yes just read that |
| 14:25.26 | greycat | Phated: I've had a swirly one for a while. |
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| 14:25.29 | abrotman | Phated: uhm .. i think yes .. thinkgeek has them i think |
| 14:25.30 | jethro | they used to have some on thinkgeek and copyleft |
| 14:25.35 | teknoprep | skrew that its 2 lines |
| 14:25.36 | teknoprep | auto eth0 |
| 14:25.36 | teknoprep | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 14:25.38 | Phated | greycat: Oooh. |
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| 14:25.43 | SantaOne | hi |
| 14:25.45 | Phated | abrotman: Ah. |
| 14:25.46 | teknoprep | i have the auto lo stuff also |
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| 14:26.06 | mikeX | Phated, well i'm getting some, dunno where from exactly... 'debian unstable' .. |
| 14:26.09 | teknoprep | do i have to have this line enabled ... pre-up [ -f /etc/network/local-network-ok ] |
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| 14:26.43 | mikeX | Phated, I'm not the one making the order |
| 14:26.57 | Phated | mikeX: Oh. |
| 14:27.06 | gtigene | When I gave the command "useradd <user>" it created the user but not the home directory. What did I do wrong? |
| 14:27.08 | teknoprep | hey TinoW |
| 14:27.09 | SantaOne | is there any downloadable debian SARGE (frozen) ISO image for a DVD? (containing some GB of data, and not only 700 MB like for CD's?) |
| 14:27.18 | jethro | gtigene: man useradd |
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| 14:27.26 | PerfDave | SantaOne: No, use jigdo |
| 14:27.30 | teknoprep | dhcp listens for about 10 - 15 sec.. and then just says failed |
| 14:27.31 | jethro | gtigene: or better yet, use adduser |
| 14:27.41 | teknoprep | then moves onto the next boot up process |
| 14:27.45 | t_scytale | gtigene, adduser is better |
| 14:28.09 | gtigene | jethro, t_scytale: Thank you :) |
| 14:28.13 | teknoprep | Failed to bring up eth0.. wtf |
| 14:28.47 | EdibleText | over |
| 14:28.49 | abrotman | SantaOne: yes you can .. but it's not worth it unless you *need* a full CD/DVD set for some reason |
| 14:28.53 | TinoW | teknoprep: server is reachable and actually likes to hand you an address? |
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| 14:29.12 | teknoprep | um yes |
| 14:29.12 | mikeX | SantaOne, jigdo ones |
| 14:29.15 | SantaOne | abauer: 1) where can I download this special ISO? |
| 14:29.19 | SantaOne | abrotman ^^ |
| 14:29.20 | teknoprep | i told you.. dhcpcd eth0... that does work |
| 14:29.26 | exerd | TinoW, in what file did i change my rights? i forgott |
| 14:29.27 | teknoprep | if i manually doit |
| 14:29.34 | SantaOne | abrotman: 2) how many CD's do I need? |
| 14:29.38 | mikeX | SantaOne, look at debian.org at the jigdo section |
| 14:29.44 | teknoprep | it seems as if the boot time does not start eth0.. like no.. ifup eth0 |
| 14:29.56 | SantaOne | I dislike jidgo |
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| 14:30.03 | teknoprep | so when it goes ahead and tryes to get to the dhcp part of boot up.. it fails.. becuase the eth0 card is down |
| 14:30.26 | teknoprep | becuase i have to at console do.. ifconfig eth0 up && dhcpcd eth0 |
| 14:30.41 | mikeX | SantaOne, then I guess you 'll have a really hard time getting them... unless you wanna wait for me to download them and get them from my ftp : P |
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| 14:30.52 | mikeX | SantaOne, why do you dislike jigdo? |
| 14:30.55 | TinoW | teknoprep: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 14:31.02 | SantaOne | because I don't understand how to use it *g* |
| 14:31.05 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.47 | abrotman | !d-i SantaOne |
| 14:31.47 | dpkg | SantaOne, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 14:32.02 | teknoprep | http://rafb.net/paste/results/UgETIq53.html |
| 14:32.05 | abrotman | SantaOne: that is a 105MB netinst image .. most people use it and like it |
| 14:32.08 | teknoprep | TinoW |
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| 14:33.05 | SantaOne | oki thank you abauer |
| 14:33.05 | TinoW | teknoprep: sure you neet that pre-up? |
| 14:33.06 | SantaOne | abrotman: |
| 14:33.08 | SantaOne | sorry |
| 14:33.08 | TinoW | need |
| 14:33.19 | teknoprep | it doesn't change anything |
| 14:33.19 | abrotman | abauer: some days .. i really feel for you :) |
| 14:33.26 | teknoprep | if i have or dont' have it |
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| 14:33.42 | abauer | abrotman: well, at least it keeps me awake :) |
| 14:33.46 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:34.09 | tbbw^ | hello :) |
| 14:34.24 | TinoW | teknoprep: right now, does /etc/init.d/networking restart work? |
| 14:34.24 | teknoprep | lol wtf |
| 14:34.38 | teknoprep | hold i have to stop an apt-get |
| 14:34.41 | abrotman | that's funny ? |
| 14:34.43 | abrotman | no you don't |
| 14:34.54 | tbbw^ | can anyone pm me with the link with some howto on the 2.6.* upgrade in woody? and also the sid/sage mix ^^ |
| 14:34.58 | teknoprep | that will kill my apt-get |
| 14:35.02 | teknoprep | by restarting networking no |
| 14:35.05 | abrotman | tbbw^: just upgrade to sarge |
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| 14:35.15 | teknoprep | i do know about alt - F2 and blah |
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| 14:35.43 | tbbw^ | abrotman: yeh but i do like the sid/sage mix doh im a bit of a toy breaker ;) |
| 14:35.58 | abrotman | tbbw^: upgrade to sarge first .. get it working properly .. then do the mix |
| 14:36.11 | abrotman | !tell tbbw^ about woody->sarge |
| 14:36.23 | teknoprep | its hanging on the dhcp part |
| 14:36.32 | teknoprep | TinoW: \its hanging on the dhcp part |
| 14:36.52 | TinoW | teknoprep: well then your DHCP server does not answer |
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| 14:37.05 | teknoprep | haha your great |
| 14:37.12 | teknoprep | have you not listened to a word i have said |
| 14:37.16 | TinoW | teknoprep: what should I say? ;) |
| 14:37.19 | teknoprep | i am at work |
| 14:37.26 | teknoprep | of course my dhcp server works |
| 14:37.34 | teknoprep | i made it on linux.. it runs all my subnets |
| 14:37.35 | teknoprep | wtf |
| 14:37.41 | TinoW | teknoprep: maybe it works but it does not answer to your client. |
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| 14:37.51 | teknoprep | all by vlan 31.. which is my server vlan |
| 14:37.51 | tbbw^ | abrotman: will do :P |
| 14:37.59 | teknoprep | so now... if i type.. dhcpcd eth0 |
| 14:38.05 | teknoprep | and i get a dhcp response |
| 14:38.07 | peaceyall | when i want to compile a program i get : No package 'gtk+-2.0' found |
| 14:38.07 | teknoprep | and ip |
| 14:38.07 | peaceyall | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.17 | teknoprep | then i am under the impression that it is not my server |
| 14:38.23 | TinoW | teknoprep: install ethereal and watch the traffic when your dhcpclient runs |
| 14:38.28 | teknoprep | but debian or the default configuration of debian that is incorect |
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| 14:38.35 | teknoprep | TinoW why |
| 14:38.48 | teknoprep | i can just check the log file of my dhcp server |
| 14:38.50 | TinoW | teknoprep: do you see the request in your servers log? |
| 14:39.01 | teknoprep | give me sec |
| 14:39.41 | Gozar | Any idea of why "dd if=/dev/urandom of=./test.tmp bs=G count=3" Don't work. I get the error: "dd: memory exhausted" but bs=M count 3000 works? |
| 14:40.01 | greycat | Gozar: because it tries to allocate a buffer of 1 GB, obviously |
| 14:40.03 | TinoW | Gozar: you write bs=G but your dont tell how many Gs |
| 14:40.06 | abrotman | becaues your block size is a Gig ? |
| 14:40.12 | abrotman | TinoW: count=3 |
| 14:40.19 | sobersabre | Gozar, try urandom... |
| 14:40.29 | abrotman | he did try urandom |
| 14:40.30 | jethro | sobersabre: he *is* using urandom |
| 14:40.47 | teknoprep | see you are telling me stuff i already know tho TinoW |
| 14:40.50 | greycat | what the hell good is 3 GB worth of /dev/urandom, anyway? |
| 14:40.50 | sobersabre | :) |
| 14:41.03 | teknoprep | its a debian problem of its default installation .. i stick in another distro and dhcp works fine |
| 14:41.08 | abrotman | greycat: late night cable porn ? |
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| 14:41.19 | sobersabre | Gozar, try /dev/zero |
| 14:41.21 | sobersabre | ! |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | teknoprep: what does your interfaces file look like again? |
| 14:41.22 | sobersabre | :) |
| 14:41.22 | TinoW | teknoprep: most probably not. I have several boxes installed ;) |
| 14:41.23 | teknoprep | the default congiguration is not flawless from debians setup |
| 14:41.28 | teknoprep | thats great |
| 14:41.33 | sobersabre | Gozar, what are you trying to do ? |
| 14:41.36 | teknoprep | i stick in a gentoo cd... it works.. same with fedora |
| 14:41.38 | abrotman | teknoprep: oddly .. it's worked for me every time :) |
| 14:41.40 | teknoprep | windows xp too |
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| 14:41.41 | Gozar | So that means I need 1 Gb memory (ram)? |
| 14:41.50 | abrotman | Gozar: how much ram/swap do you have now ? |
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| 14:41.54 | greycat | Gozar: it means you need to use a smarter command. |
| 14:41.57 | petemc | teknoprep: its not hard to check whether a module is loaded for your card |
| 14:41.59 | teknoprep | thats great abrotman.. you explain this then... 2 ppl haveing the same problem with dhcp today |
| 14:42.01 | sobersabre | Gozar, what are YoU trying to DO actually ? |
| 14:42.02 | greycat | Gozar: allocating 1 GB buffers is just *pointless*. |
| 14:42.07 | teknoprep | the module is loaded for my card |
| 14:42.12 | abrotman | teknoprep: what does your interfaces file look like ? |
| 14:42.15 | Gozar | sobersabre: Trying to test if my nfs share can go abow 2Gb :-) |
| 14:42.20 | teknoprep | i don't think its getting loaded before dhcp runs |
| 14:42.22 | TinoW | greycat: well, with 1TB ram it should not hurt much ;) |
| 14:42.22 | teknoprep | hmm |
| 14:42.27 | sobersabre | Gozar, use /dev/zero!!!! |
| 14:42.28 | sobersabre | :) |
| 14:42.30 | greycat | Gozar: and you used *RANDOM* for that? And not /dev/zero!? |
| 14:42.32 | teknoprep | maby i should change the run level of dhcp |
| 14:42.35 | greycat | my god. |
| 14:42.36 | abrotman | dev/zero is much better/faster |
| 14:42.37 | sobersabre | hehehe |
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| 14:42.45 | jethro | !pal Gozar |
| 14:42.47 | abrotman | teknoprep: WHAT DOES YOUR INTERFACES FILE LOOK LIKE? |
| 14:42.51 | abrotman | for the third damn time |
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| 14:42.59 | sobersabre | Gozar, and don't use G block size. |
| 14:43.01 | teknoprep | abrotman I ALREADY POSTED ITY |
| 14:43.07 | teknoprep | http://rafb.net/paste/results/UgETIq53.html |
| 14:43.10 | abrotman | teknoprep: yes .. i saw .. what does it look like now? |
| 14:43.10 | incorrect | has anyone got hardware monitoring working under debian for dell equipment? |
| 14:43.13 | Gozar | abrotman: wel I got 512 Ram, and about 400 swap space |
| 14:43.20 | sobersabre | use 1024 blocksize and 4096 count |
| 14:43.20 | _ReDRuM_ | is there anyway to increase the width of dpkg -l output because i can't see some of the package names |
| 14:43.23 | abrotman | teknoprep: you're in there mucking about .. i wanted to know if you had changed it |
| 14:43.23 | teknoprep | its the same |
| 14:43.24 | greycat | what the hell is that pre-up command? |
| 14:43.29 | TinoW | teknoprep: no, when you configured manually and you have your config file like shown, it just ifconfig eth0 up and starts dhcpclient for it. It works here :) |
| 14:43.29 | petemc | incorrect: yeah, look at the linux-poweredge mailing list archive |
| 14:43.29 | teknoprep | without the pre up cmd |
| 14:43.33 | sobersabre | Gozar, are you listening ? |
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| 14:43.45 | teknoprep | the pre-up command is in your examples file if you ever actually read it |
| 14:43.47 | abrotman | teknoprep: now .. have oyu tried another client ... ? like pump ? |
| 14:43.53 | greycat | Gozar: you can't allocate 1 GB of memory if you have less than 1 GB of virtual memory. |
| 14:43.57 | Gozar | sobersabre: I'm trying :-) but so many messages :-) |
| 14:43.59 | teknoprep | what you should do also... /msg dpkg dhcp |
| 14:44.09 | sobersabre | dd if=/dev/zerp bs=1024 count=4096 of=/mylargefile |
| 14:44.10 | teknoprep | what you should do also... /msg dpkg interfaces or something |
| 14:44.13 | abrotman | have you tried pump etc? |
| 14:44.17 | sobersabre | s/zerp/zero |
| 14:44.20 | greycat | teknoprep: does the /etc/network/local-network-ok file exist? |
| 14:44.22 | abrotman | i know what the interfaces file should look like |
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| 14:44.23 | teknoprep | i have tryed 2 .. the default one |
| 14:44.26 | TinoW | teknoprep: did you try ethereal and ifup eth0 ? |
| 14:44.33 | teknoprep | TinoW |
| 14:44.37 | teknoprep | ok stop |
| 14:44.39 | teknoprep | everyone please |
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| 14:44.42 | teknoprep | this is very simple |
| 14:44.49 | teknoprep | it works perfectly after bootup |
| 14:44.52 | teknoprep | if i do this |
| 14:44.53 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:44.55 | klaxia1 | hi guys |
| 14:44.56 | TinoW | teknoprep: well, dont blame us when it does not work for you :) |
| 14:44.59 | teknoprep | ifconfig eth0 up ; dhcpcd eth0 |
| 14:45.00 | abrotman | wait .. it's a laptop isn't it ? |
| 14:45.07 | teknoprep | yes |
| 14:45.12 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:45.13 | teknoprep | sis900 network card |
| 14:45.13 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 14:45.15 | Gozar | greycat: Okay. Got it. Everybody goint at Gozar and lafh :-) |
| 14:45.16 | klaxia1 | When I reply to an email with embedded images in Evolution, it always crashes. Has anyone else experienced this? |
| 14:45.17 | greycat | teknoprep: does the /etc/network/local-network-ok file exist? does "ifup eth0" work if you comment out that pre-up line? |
| 14:45.21 | klaxia1 | this is evolution 2.2 |
| 14:45.22 | abrotman | insert your pcmcia modules before your NIC modules |
| 14:45.28 | teknoprep | yes ifup eth0 works |
| 14:45.39 | TinoW | teknoprep: thats just silly and wrong. You dont need no dhcpd |
| 14:45.46 | teknoprep | its not a pcmcia network card |
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| 14:45.47 | streuner_ | yeah |
| 14:45.51 | teknoprep | its onboard |
| 14:45.51 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 14:45.52 | greycat | TinoW: dhcp*c*d |
| 14:45.53 | TinoW | teknoprep: most probably your dhcpd is blocking your dhclient |
| 14:46.08 | teknoprep | i don't have dhcpd running on the local box |
| 14:46.29 | klaxia1 | Does anyone have trouble with Evolution 2.2 crashing with replying or forwarding emails with embedded images? Help would be appreciated :) |
| 14:46.30 | teknoprep | i have it running on a serperate box.. and as backup on my 6509 |
| 14:46.33 | abrotman | dhcpcd isn't the standard client is it ? |
| 14:46.37 | teknoprep | no |
| 14:46.39 | teknoprep | i changed from that |
| 14:46.43 | TinoW | greycat: hm. well. I wonder where it came from? I have a running dhclient here instead |
| 14:46.44 | teknoprep | to test to see if it was the client |
| 14:46.48 | teknoprep | that i had problems with |
| 14:46.48 | Gozar | Thanks everybody. |
| 14:46.50 | abrotman | klaxia1: irc.gnome.org might be more assistance .. also check the BTS |
| 14:46.56 | teknoprep | i am now giong to install PUMP |
| 14:46.57 | teknoprep | ok |
| 14:47.03 | teknoprep | lets see if anything changes this time |
| 14:47.10 | klaxia1 | abrotman: thanks - i will check irc.gnome.org - what is the BTS? |
| 14:47.17 | abrotman | !tell klaxia1 about bts |
| 14:47.22 | teknoprep | its the script |
| 14:47.31 | teknoprep | /etc/init.d/networking |
| 14:47.35 | teknoprep | this is not working |
| 14:47.37 | teknoprep | i dunno why |
| 14:47.42 | teknoprep | if i do this manually |
| 14:47.49 | teknoprep | ifconfig eth0 up ; dhcpcd eth0 |
| 14:47.50 | teknoprep | it works |
| 14:47.51 | klaxia1 | oh right -- i know the BTS - didn't see anything there about this bug, but it might be an exchange issue |
| 14:47.57 | klaxia1 | abrotman: i will check with irc.gnome.org |
| 14:47.57 | abrotman | oh .. maybe |
| 14:48.04 | teknoprep | but if i do... /etc/init.d/networking restart... this does not ever work |
| 14:48.12 | abrotman | why not? .. no error? |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | nothing in the logs? |
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| 14:49.00 | roo9 | does anyone know if there is a way i can disable password-based logins for specific accounts? |
| 14:49.07 | teknoprep | nothing much |
| 14:49.11 | sobersabre | apropos random. is there a way to specifically tell kernel grow entropy from network driver ? |
| 14:49.24 | greycat | sobersabre: UTFKS |
| 14:49.31 | sobersabre | ? |
| 14:49.37 | PerfDave | roo9: Look in PAM config? |
| 14:49.38 | greycat | Use The (Fine) Kernel Source |
| 14:49.42 | abrotman | nothing much .. no .. what does it say? |
| 14:49.59 | petemc | sobersabre: only some nic drivers support that |
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| 14:50.05 | teknoprep | hold i will past from ss |
| 14:50.18 | petemc | but why not just use urandom |
| 14:50.25 | teknoprep | eth0: Media Link On 100mbps full-duplex |
| 14:50.26 | teknoprep | thats it |
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| 14:50.27 | greycat | petemc: man 4 urandom |
| 14:50.30 | teknoprep | thats why i said nothing much foo |
| 14:50.45 | roo9 | perfdave: pam will allow me to disable all password-based logins, i need to disable password logins for specific accounts |
| 14:50.46 | teknoprep | this is the only problem i have had with debian so far |
| 14:50.48 | greycat | teknoprep: sh -x /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:50.51 | abrotman | teknoprep: and after that happens .. ifconfig -a shows no IP ? |
| 14:50.52 | teknoprep | and please stop telling me its me |
| 14:51.04 | abrotman | teknoprep: it's so you! :) |
| 14:51.09 | sobersabre | greycat, ic. i am using an enterprise kernel. i cannot change it... if i don't have hardware RNG how do i do that |
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| 14:51.18 | greycat | sobersabre: a *what* kernel? |
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| 14:51.22 | teknoprep | lol |
| 14:51.23 | teknoprep | you nut |
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| 14:51.52 | PerfDave | roo9: There may be some PAM mechanism to do that. |
| 14:51.55 | teknoprep | i am a ccie.. its not me |
| 14:51.57 | sobersabre | greycat, SLES [ suse blabla entrprise blabla |
| 14:51.59 | teknoprep | this shit is easy |
| 14:52.03 | sobersabre | :-[ |
| 14:52.04 | PerfDave | roo9: Where do you want to disable these accounts? SSH? local login? |
| 14:52.17 | greycat | sobersabre: then you're *really* in the wrong place. |
| 14:52.20 | PerfDave | teknoprep: Funny, I'm not a CCIE and I have no problem with DHCP ;) |
| 14:52.24 | teknoprep | lol |
| 14:52.25 | sobersabre | greycat, i am not. |
| 14:52.33 | roo9 | perfdave: ssh, ftp, imap/pop3 |
| 14:52.33 | greycat | sobersabre: how is your question related to Debian? |
| 14:52.40 | MeMbRaX | Nothing to be found on the web : how to access a Sony NW-HD3 thru USB without a glitch ? |
| 14:52.43 | teknoprep | i have never had a problem with DHCP either.. till i have tryed debian |
| 14:52.47 | jethro | CCIA/CCNA/CCSP/MCSE, this is just all bullshit |
| 14:52.56 | sobersabre | I am running debian :), but my question is not. |
| 14:53.03 | PerfDave | roo9: Any reason you don't just want to disable the account? |
| 14:53.05 | roo9 | CCNA is not bs, the others are |
| 14:53.06 | PerfDave | teknoprep: Well, it works for me :) |
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| 14:53.14 | jethro | roo9: ccna is too |
| 14:53.16 | roo9 | perfdave: i still need to be able to sudo with the account |
| 14:53.25 | teknoprep | CCNA is gay |
| 14:53.30 | jethro | everyone has it, the majority being morons |
| 14:53.31 | PerfDave | roo9: Disable the password? |
| 14:53.31 | greycat | !gay |
| 14:53.31 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 14:53.33 | abrotman | so is cisco :) |
| 14:53.43 | teknoprep | CCNP is where you start getting into good stuff |
| 14:53.48 | roo9 | go greycat |
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| 14:53.49 | teknoprep | i am gay |
| 14:53.50 | teknoprep | blow me |
| 14:53.59 | PerfDave | teknoprep: No thanks. |
| 14:53.59 | peaceyall | :/ |
| 14:53.59 | roo9 | perfdave: then i am unable to sudo |
| 14:54.10 | PerfDave | roo9: Disable the password, not the account |
| 14:54.10 | teknoprep | haha |
| 14:54.12 | teknoprep | i lvoe you all |
| 14:54.17 | peaceyall | lol |
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| 14:54.23 | jethro | that's being rather homophobic |
| 14:54.28 | jethro | I can't stand that |
| 14:54.33 | teknoprep | greycat |
| 14:54.34 | roo9 | perfdave: how do i sudo without a password? |
| 14:54.40 | teknoprep | that just hung for awhile and didn't do crap |
| 14:54.46 | teknoprep | ended up shutting off the eth card |
| 14:54.47 | sobersabre | roo9, like this: sudo |
| 14:54.49 | jethro | roo9: man sudoers |
| 14:55.03 | teknoprep | its the dhcpcd script |
| 14:55.03 | PerfDave | roo9: If you sudo, you use the password of the account you're sudoing *from*, not the account you're sudoing *to* |
| 14:55.07 | roo9 | ok, rephrase, i don't want to be able to sudo without a password |
| 14:55.08 | teknoprep | or the networking script |
| 14:55.10 | teknoprep | its not right |
| 14:55.15 | teknoprep | its that simple |
| 14:55.15 | jethro | PerfDave: there is a NOPASSWD option |
| 14:55.23 | PerfDave | jethro: Yes, but that's not relevant here :) |
| 14:55.34 | PerfDave | teknoprep: You've fucked something up, it's that simple ;p |
| 14:55.36 | greycat | teknoprep: I fail to see how "sh -x /etc/init.d/networking restart" could produce *no* output. |
| 14:55.41 | teknoprep | lol PerfDave |
| 14:55.43 | jethro | 16:54:35 roo9 | perfdave: how do i sudo without a password? |
| 14:55.45 | teknoprep | its a brand new install |
| 14:55.46 | nevyn | roo9: you want sudo to immediately forget your passoword you mean? |
| 14:55.50 | greycat | roo9: /msg dpkg sudo |
| 14:55.51 | teknoprep | oh greycat you want me to paste that |
| 14:55.55 | PerfDave | jethro: Read the fucking context. |
| 14:56.07 | streuner_ | teknoprep: no |
| 14:56.10 | teknoprep | at the end |
| 14:56.18 | abrotman | i thought the normal was dhcp3-client |
| 14:56.23 | streuner_ | teknoprep: edit 'sh -x' to /etc/init.d/networking |
| 14:56.24 | teknoprep | basically says.. Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 14:56.26 | jethro | PerfDave: and? |
| 14:56.28 | gtigene | My cron job doesn't work. Can I have cron send me an email telling what happened? |
| 14:56.35 | roo9 | no, what i want is this, i want to disable keyboard-interactive logins for specific users with sshd |
| 14:56.36 | jethro | PerfDave: what does that change? |
| 14:56.47 | PerfDave | jethro: Oh, shut up. |
| 14:56.50 | jethro | roo9: use allow users/deny users in sshd.conf |
| 14:56.54 | jethro | PerfDave: you don't have to be rude |
| 14:57.00 | teknoprep | who am i to listen to now |
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| 14:57.09 | PerfDave | jethro: You're being annoying and unhelpful. |
| 14:57.13 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:57.13 | streuner_ | teknoprep: to US :-) |
| 14:57.18 | teknoprep | lol |
| 14:57.19 | roo9 | jethro: i still want to allow public-key logins. |
| 14:57.24 | teknoprep | well i am having to do alot of things |
| 14:57.40 | streuner_ | teknoprep: we told you to edit /etc/init.d/networking with the string 'sh -x' to be in verbose mode.... |
| 14:57.42 | jethro | roo9: listen to perfdave for he is not annoying and helpful |
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| 14:57.59 | greycat | streuner_: uh, no, we did not. |
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| 14:58.17 | nevyn | roo9: do these users need to be able to run sudo? |
| 14:58.19 | streuner_ | greycat: so that wasn't what you wanna say to him? |
| 14:58.25 | greycat | /lastlog teknoprep is rather interesting. |
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| 14:58.39 | teknoprep | lol |
| 14:58.41 | roo9 | nevyn: yes |
| 14:58.47 | greycat | streuner_: TWICE I have asked him to provide more detail. He has utterly failed to do so. |
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| 14:59.21 | nevyn | roo9: hrm. disallow keyboard-interactive in ssh. |
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| 14:59.49 | nevyn | roo9: you want them to authenticate with a password to run sudo? or you don't care if they do or not? |
| 14:59.51 | roo9 | nevyn: i only want to do so for certian users. |
| 14:59.58 | greycat | streuner_: the only actual detail we have so far is his posted interfaces(5) at http://rafb.net/paste/results/UgETIq53.html |
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| 15:00.22 | greycat | streuner_: so naturally I asked about that wacky pre-up line and got NOTHING useful out of him. |
| 15:00.35 | roo9 | nevyn: yes, these users must authenticate with a password to run sudo, but should not be able to login using keybord-interactive |
| 15:00.36 | gtigene | My cron daemon is running but jobs in the crontab file don't run. What is the best way to debug this? |
| 15:00.37 | Dabian | How do I fix my mousewheel, it seems to send two clicks when I turn it one "tick". |
| 15:00.47 | greycat | streuner_: then he said init.d/networking restarted didn't work, so I asked him to run it in debug/trace mode. |
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| 15:00.57 | mikeX | Dabian, switched to 2.6 kernel from 2.4? |
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| 15:01.18 | cuse | Anybody used to xml2rfc? Is there a way (like \label and \ref in LaTex) to define crosslink / reference to another chapter in the document? |
| 15:01.20 | nevyn | roo9: but other users must be able to log in with keyboard interactive? |
| 15:01.21 | rj_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.32 | jethro | now perfdave is upset, and I don't know why .. |
| 15:01.36 | rj_ | I don't want it to remove the package! |
| 15:01.37 | roo9 | nevyn: yes |
| 15:01.39 | teknoprep | this has nothig to do with what you guys are saying |
| 15:01.42 | jethro | damn geeks |
| 15:01.45 | nevyn | roo9: that's hard. |
| 15:01.49 | roo9 | nevyn: yes |
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| 15:01.58 | teknoprep | all of you are asuming i did something to the setup |
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| 15:02.04 | teknoprep | and are taking the wrong look at this |
| 15:02.09 | greycat | teknoprep: we are trying to DETERMINE WHAT IS WRONG. |
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| 15:02.18 | greycat | teknoprep: you aren't helping us help you. |
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| 15:02.30 | streuner_ | teknoprep: we just need more infos... |
| 15:02.31 | nevyn | so you have two classes of users.. some you want to be able to logon only using pubkey ssh.. and be able to use sudo after authenticating with a password. |
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| 15:02.34 | rj_ | anyone :( |
| 15:02.41 | nevyn | and others who can logon with a password. |
| 15:02.43 | roo9 | nevyn: basically i have 2 groups of users, 1 group are system administrators, they have access to sudo, et al, they should not be allowed password-based logins. group 2 are normal users, they do not have access to sudo ,they should be allowed password based logins |
| 15:02.45 | jethro | does anyone know why perfdave got mad at me all of a sudden? |
| 15:03.07 | greycat | jethro: I didn't get that one either. |
| 15:03.17 | teknoprep | can someone paste there /etc/init.d/networking script |
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| 15:03.22 | nevyn | roo9: the simple answer is make normal users use keys to login |
| 15:03.23 | jethro | let's hope it wont last |
| 15:03.29 | teknoprep | would like to see if mine is different |
| 15:03.33 | nevyn | roo9: and dissable password based logins only use them for sudo |
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| 15:03.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.42 | nevyn | s/them/passwords/ |
| 15:03.45 | teknoprep | not here lol |
| 15:03.47 | greycat | that's the relevant part. |
| 15:03.51 | teknoprep | yeah but that is what mine has too |
| 15:03.52 | roo9 | nevyn: that is not practical in this situation |
| 15:03.53 | teknoprep | on that part |
| 15:04.11 | nevyn | roo9: if users can logon with passwords why can't admins? |
| 15:04.14 | teknoprep | its not a very complicated procedure |
| 15:04.15 | greycat | teknoprep: so there is NO FUCKING WAY UNDER HEAVEN OR HELL that you could have run "sh -x /etc/init.d/networking restart" and NOT gotten the first echo's output. |
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| 15:04.37 | teknoprep | i rebooted |
| 15:04.43 | teknoprep | give me a second |
| 15:04.48 | teknoprep | echo 0 did come up yes |
| 15:05.02 | roo9 | nevyn: because admins have access to sudo |
| 15:05.20 | nevyn | roo9: and? |
| 15:05.24 | teknoprep | ifup: interfaces lo already configured |
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| 15:05.37 | teknoprep | eth-: media link on 100mbps full-duplex |
| 15:05.43 | teknoprep | s/eth-/eth0 |
| 15:05.50 | teknoprep | operation failed. |
| 15:05.54 | teknoprep | failed to bring up eth0. |
| 15:05.57 | teknoprep | + ethco done. |
| 15:05.57 | nevyn | roo9: what's the attack vector you're attempting to block with this strategy. |
| 15:05.58 | teknoprep | done. |
| 15:06.03 | teknoprep | + exit 0 |
| 15:06.11 | teknoprep | there you happy |
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| 15:06.18 | teknoprep | its all bullshit from that command greycat |
| 15:06.21 | teknoprep | i know how to read |
| 15:06.29 | teknoprep | and filter out the necesity |
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| 15:06.50 | teknoprep | i need a smoke.. i think i am jsut going to write my own script if this continues |
| 15:06.52 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 15:06.57 | vekpos | hello! whats the best anti-virus software for debian? |
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| 15:07.23 | teknoprep | best is on idea of an opinion |
| 15:07.31 | teknoprep | which at best isn't practical |
| 15:07.32 | vekpos | okok - im searching for a GOOD one |
| 15:07.34 | gypsymauro | someone knows if there are some progress to the wxwindow 2.6 package? I can't find any info |
| 15:07.35 | simonrvn | vekpos: debian doesn't need it; though you might want to protect windoze machines. a lot of people use clamav |
| 15:07.45 | vekpos | ok thx! |
| 15:07.54 | simonrvn | vekpos: virus updates are quick and timely |
| 15:07.57 | greycat | 10:45 teknoprep> yes ifup eth0 works |
| 15:08.13 | teknoprep | ifup eth0 does work |
| 15:08.14 | greycat | how could ifup eth0 work for you, but not "ifup -a" when you run the script in -x mode? |
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| 15:08.25 | teknoprep | heh |
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| 15:08.35 | teknoprep | ifup eth0 now fails |
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| 15:09.19 | teknoprep | well gj on finding that |
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| 15:09.42 | teknoprep | could i just change that script to use .. dhcpcd instead of ifup |
| 15:09.50 | nevyn | roo9: ping |
| 15:10.07 | Ungy | Hello Peoples |
| 15:10.45 | teknoprep | i rarely use the ifup commands |
| 15:10.50 | teknoprep | ifup and ifdown |
| 15:10.51 | roo9 | nevyn: ping you too |
| 15:10.59 | Ungy | OK peoples I got a problem I am trying to figure out how to go about solving it so I was wandering if you could provide me with a few tips on how best to solve this problem |
| 15:10.59 | teknoprep | i prefer ifconfig and iproute2 stuff |
| 15:11.15 | Dabian | mikeX: I am on 2.6 yeah. |
| 15:11.21 | nevyn | roo9: did you see my question? |
| 15:11.23 | streuner_ | teknoprep: hm, do you use ifconfig or iproute2 this time too? |
| 15:11.26 | roo9 | nevyn: 1 sec |
| 15:11.27 | EdibleText | Ungy, speak young debinite |
| 15:11.30 | streuner_ | s/do/did/ |
| 15:11.36 | Dabian | mikeX: I switched long ago .. but I could have missed it till now. |
| 15:11.38 | teknoprep | for what |
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| 15:11.40 | roo9 | nevyn: basically, if an attacker gets one of our passwords they should not be able to both ssh in and sudo to root |
| 15:11.40 | Ungy | My problem is I have 3 colocation sites none with tape drives I need to create a routine to back them up coming from a DAT tap drive at another location |
| 15:11.55 | teknoprep | i do that for bringing up the network cards |
| 15:11.57 | teknoprep | ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 15:12.06 | nevyn | roo9: right. but if your admins have crappy password security you've still got problems. |
| 15:12.14 | streuner_ | teknoprep: here we go |
| 15:12.14 | teknoprep | ifup i guess does more.. i dunno tho.. seems as if it finds the correct module for the eth card also |
| 15:12.26 | nevyn | roo9: you can still compramise two passwords.. and get root. |
| 15:12.33 | Ungy | So I can get Amanda backing these programs up to a location from a Debian machine I have located at each location but how do I transfer to centralized tape drive machine? |
| 15:12.38 | streuner_ | teknoprep: use only the commands in debian NOT ifconfig or such |
| 15:12.43 | simonrvn | ifup uses whatever's in the interfaces file to bring it up and configure it |
| 15:12.47 | teknoprep | ok |
| 15:13.01 | teknoprep | let me reboot then |
| 15:13.04 | teknoprep | get a clean start |
| 15:13.05 | nevyn | roo9: compramise a admin password (hopefully hard) and a user password (probably easy) login as user su to admin sudo.. |
| 15:13.10 | teknoprep | one sec.. its a fast laptop |
| 15:13.22 | teknoprep | i have changed no boot up scripts what so ever |
| 15:13.22 | Ungy | What language should I use to do this I figure I leave latest amanda backup on the machine but I delete the previous days all in script and complete all transfers from central machine so it knows when to write to tape |
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| 15:13.24 | streuner_ | DOH |
| 15:13.26 | mikeX | Dabian, then http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199 |
| 15:13.36 | streuner_ | teknoprep: wait |
| 15:13.39 | teknoprep | also what is the default dhcp-client |
| 15:13.46 | streuner_ | teknoprep: read /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 15:13.53 | teknoprep | already did and read |
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| 15:13.56 | Ungy | So the real question is does this sound feasible and can I use bash to accomplish this? |
| 15:14.00 | nevyn | roo9: you might be able to do this with... pam if you're willing to delve into it. |
| 15:14.01 | EdibleText | Ungy, note sure if tape changes anything.. but rsync is a great tool for backups, local and remote |
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| 15:14.08 | simonrvn | v2 of ISC's is the default |
| 15:14.17 | simonrvn | i suggest v3 |
| 15:14.18 | streuner_ | teknoprep: ok, change that, its in debian totally otherwise for laptops... |
| 15:14.51 | teknoprep | what should i change streuner |
| 15:14.58 | streuner_ | !interfaces |
| 15:14.59 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 15:15.03 | Ungy | EdibleText I need to use amanda I looked into rsync already and it doesn;t suit what I need to do considering I have to backup Windows 2000 machines as well |
| 15:15.07 | abrotman | teknoprep: should be dhcp3-client iirc |
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| 15:15.32 | teknoprep | wtf is iirc |
| 15:15.43 | Ungy | iirc? |
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| 15:15.43 | streuner_ | !IIRC |
| 15:15.44 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 15:15.44 | simonrvn | @iirc |
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| 15:15.46 | ravenbird | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
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| 15:15.50 | teknoprep | ah |
| 15:15.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:15.59 | oguz | hi i have a usb flash memory, kingston, i tireid to mount it by wiritng /dev/sda1 /media/usb vfat user,noauto,exec,umask=0 0 0 |
| 15:16.00 | teknoprep | i see it alot |
| 15:16.04 | teknoprep | never asked what it was |
| 15:16.16 | oguz | i couldnt see the files but i managed to write in it |
| 15:16.26 | teknoprep | too many acronyms to remember in networking.. skrew remembering more |
| 15:16.30 | oguz | then i tried to unmount it didnt allow |
| 15:16.40 | streuner_ | oguz: any output with 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi'? |
| 15:16.48 | abrotman | he knows CCNA is crap .. but not what IIRC means ? |
| 15:16.57 | Ungy | So does anyone know if I can use Bash and Cron to do what I need or do I have to go with PERL?? |
| 15:17.04 | streuner_ | !CCNA |
| 15:17.04 | dpkg | it has been said that ccna is cisco certified network associate |
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| 15:17.14 | teknoprep | !ccie |
| 15:17.14 | dpkg | Credit Card InvalidExpired |
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| 15:17.35 | teknoprep | LOL |
| 15:17.35 | Ungy | the guys in #cisco are nice |
| 15:17.35 | jethro | @wtf iirc |
| 15:17.35 | teknoprep | thye are assholes on efnet |
| 15:17.35 | jethro | !wtf iirc |
| 15:17.35 | oguz | streuner_, yes i can see the device with it |
| 15:17.35 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 15:17.37 | jethro | dpkg: you suck |
| 15:17.37 | dpkg | Dream on, jethro. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 15:17.40 | resiak | IIRC: if I recall correctly |
| 15:17.42 | abrotman | teknoprep: isn't that all of efnet ? |
| 15:17.44 | Ungy | !wtf |
| 15:17.45 | teknoprep | i hate cisco |
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| 15:17.47 | mathieu | hi, a bash question: i have a var containing some parameters for a program: BLEH="-foo bar". ./prog $BLEH runs fine. however, how can i put spaces in de parameter? BLEH="-foo \"bar bar\"" doesn't work |
| 15:17.49 | abrotman | and what kind of CCIE spends time on efnet ? |
| 15:17.50 | jethro | resiak: you have my wtf patch? :) |
| 15:17.59 | teknoprep | only reason i doit is i am good with it.. but damn its expensive crap |
| 15:18.11 | jethro | dpkg has it, but lacks bsdgames |
| 15:18.11 | teknoprep | abrotman one at work |
| 15:18.15 | Ungy | !bash |
| 15:18.15 | dpkg | hmm... bash is the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
| 15:18.19 | teknoprep | that is quiting his job and moving on |
| 15:18.25 | abrotman | Ungy: /msg dpkg <blah> |
| 15:18.26 | oguz | streuner_, when i double click on the usb icon at the under "computer" at gnome it sadi bad fs format |
| 15:18.26 | teknoprep | so end of june i no longer work here |
| 15:18.29 | teknoprep | w0ot new job |
| 15:18.33 | resiak | jethro: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 15:18.37 | mathieu | it doesn't work because it's interpreted as 3 parameters: -foo, "bar and bar" |
| 15:18.41 | teknoprep | so i can get away with murder right now |
| 15:18.45 | jethro | resiak: don't f*** with me :) |
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| 15:19.01 | resiak | no idea, jethro |
| 15:19.03 | mathieu | using "$BLAEH" i get only one parameter: -foo "bar bar" |
| 15:19.09 | Ungy | Anyone have any pages to help me with Bash scripting since I really need to find out if I can solve my problem in bash |
| 15:19.13 | nevyn | mathieu: quoting.. ah.. |
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| 15:19.21 | nevyn | mathieu: use a different sort of quote. |
| 15:19.29 | simonrvn | Ungy: bash advanced scripting howto |
| 15:19.37 | greycat | Ungy: #bash |
| 15:19.40 | mathieu | nevyn: that's not the issue here, i think |
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| 15:19.46 | Ungy | oh sweet thanks |
| 15:19.47 | EdibleText | Ungy, I have little experiance with tape. but this guy does some neat stuff with 'cp' 'ln -s' 'mv' and 'rsync' http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 15:19.56 | nevyn | mathieu: '-foo "bar bar"' should work |
| 15:20.00 | greycat | mathieu: eval ./prog $BLEH |
| 15:20.08 | oguz | streuner_, here is the output wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 15:20.09 | oguz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.09 | oguz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.09 | oguz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:20.36 | mathieu | nevyn: that will be the same |
| 15:20.41 | ericb_ | Oh my god I am in Love with my Linux box, I wanna marry it |
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| 15:20.52 | teknoprep | !ccnp |
| 15:20.52 | streuner_ | oguz: /msg dpkg flood |
| 15:20.52 | lindi- | Ungy: i can recommend rsync_snapshots too |
| 15:21.03 | teknoprep | hmm |
| 15:21.05 | ericb_ | When exactly did Linus put out linux? |
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| 15:21.13 | streuner_ | oguz: Don't flood here, try modprobe ide-scsi |
| 15:21.20 | ericb_ | what year? |
| 15:21.22 | EdibleText | ericb_, what you are experiancing is completly natural. dont let anyone tell you otherwise |
| 15:21.27 | teknoprep | 1992 or something |
| 15:21.34 | oguz | streuner_, ok i wm trying now |
| 15:21.45 | ericb_ | no, 92, that long ago |
| 15:21.46 | Ungy | ericb_ you need to get out more |
| 15:21.54 | ericb_ | I thought it would be 97 or something |
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| 15:21.59 | teknoprep | lol |
| 15:22.01 | teknoprep | no way |
| 15:22.04 | teknoprep | way before that |
| 15:22.04 | EdibleText | ericb_, possibly even 91 |
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| 15:22.12 | starscalling | goes to $#@QAEWR$#W%#@ work c u pplz laters!!! |
| 15:22.13 | nevyn | ericb_: debian's older than 10 years :) |
| 15:22.16 | Ungy | it was 1992 first official release |
| 15:22.20 | teknoprep | i started with linux in 97 |
| 15:22.21 | ericb_ | Your kidding, and I didn't get it till last year |
| 15:22.24 | Ungy | as official as he ever got ;-) |
| 15:22.26 | teknoprep | and it was out for awhile |
| 15:22.30 | oguz | streuner_, nothing changed |
| 15:22.37 | tbbw^ | anyone know the packetname of the nice looking gonome login thing for x ? |
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| 15:22.43 | nevyn | ericb_: and you still don't BOOOOM TISH ! ;) |
| 15:22.44 | tbbw^ | gnome even |
| 15:22.47 | greycat | tbbw^: gdm |
| 15:22.48 | mathieu | greycat: thanks! that's what i needed |
| 15:22.49 | teknoprep | packet name |
| 15:22.55 | teknoprep | are you naming your packets now |
| 15:22.56 | tbbw^ | graycat: ty ^^ |
| 15:23.02 | Ungy | I tried Redhat Linux in 1996 and I was so appalled at it I didn;t touch linux again until 2001 |
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| 15:23.12 | teknoprep | lol Ungy |
| 15:23.12 | greycat | teknoprep: a lot of non-native-english speakers use "packet" and "package" wrong. |
| 15:23.18 | teknoprep | ahh |
| 15:23.22 | ericb_ | These Linux boxes are Nasa machine |
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| 15:23.40 | oguz | streuner_, the ide-scsi module is already installed |
| 15:23.45 | streuner_ | oguz: edit /etc/modules and put 'ide-scsi' into it |
| 15:23.50 | streuner_ | oguz: oh |
| 15:24.03 | streuner_ | oguz: what kernel do you have? (uname -a) |
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| 15:24.27 | oguz | streuner_, 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 15:24.34 | vekpos | when im trying to view the harddisk of my debian-computer in WinXP, im asked for a username and a password... where can i set them? |
| 15:24.47 | teknoprep | lol |
| 15:24.47 | EdibleText | jethro, you mean flamed ? :) |
| 15:24.51 | streuner_ | oguz: apt-get remove udev, apt-get install hotplug |
| 15:24.56 | teknoprep | i think he did that for amusement |
| 15:25.02 | jethro | EdibleText: indeed |
| 15:25.17 | teknoprep | why flame someone that is asking to be flamed... by saying flames... but doing it on purpose to get flamed |
| 15:25.20 | jethro | resiak: I knew you weren't a blotbot :p |
| 15:25.28 | resiak | jethro: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:25.32 | oguz | streuner_, i have hotplug not udev |
| 15:25.32 | jethro | heh |
| 15:25.40 | knix | Can I set iwconfig options in my interfaces file? |
| 15:25.41 | streuner_ | teknoprep: read zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz again |
| 15:25.45 | vekpos | when im trying to view the harddisk of my debian-computer in WinXP, im asked for a username and a password... where can i set them? |
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| 15:25.54 | streuner_ | teknoprep: and comment that line with pre-up |
| 15:26.00 | EdibleText | teknoprep, I meant to follow it up with an all knowing 'winky' but mistyped |
| 15:26.00 | vekpos | im using samba |
| 15:26.10 | oguz | streuner_, but i couldnt see ide-scsi at /etc/module so i added it |
| 15:26.12 | greycat | vekpos: ask #samba |
| 15:26.17 | oguz | streuner_, what should i do now |
| 15:26.18 | vekpos | mh ok |
| 15:26.24 | streuner_ | oguz: apt-get remove udev, apt-get install hotplug |
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| 15:26.55 | oguz | streuner_, i dont have udev installed, i have hotplug, should i have to reinstal it? |
| 15:26.57 | resiak | 16:19 < resiak> no idea, jethro |
| 15:27.05 | resiak | Ah... |
| 15:27.09 | streuner_ | oguz: no, reboot |
| 15:27.11 | Rayen | hi, is it possible to use the ck-sources next to the gentoo-sources with the same Gentoo files, without messing my system up? |
| 15:27.18 | jethro | resiak: you have a blootbot masquerading script? |
| 15:27.22 | goron | Is there also a Unstable installation CD? Or only a Testing one? |
| 15:27.30 | oguz | streuner_, reboot?!, r u sure? |
| 15:27.32 | resiak | jethro: i haven't a clue |
| 15:27.41 | streuner_ | oguz: no, iam pretty sure :-) |
| 15:27.42 | nevyn | goron: just install testing base and then dist-upgrade to sid. |
| 15:27.43 | jethro | this isn't funny anymore! :) |
| 15:27.55 | nevyn | goron: but there are DI disks for sid around somewhere. |
| 15:27.57 | oguz | streuner_, strange, ok i am rebooting |
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| 15:28.02 | abrotman | oguz: what is r? |
| 15:28.14 | Putiikki | it means "are" |
| 15:28.17 | resiak | !r |
| 15:28.18 | dpkg | r is, like, a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 15:28.18 | abrotman | oh .. idiot-english |
| 15:28.23 | streuner_ | abrotman: i guess in that context 'are' |
| 15:28.31 | abrotman | right .. i |
| 15:28.33 | oguz | abrotman, sorry, it should be are, i forget to write in the long way |
| 15:29.00 | abrotman | right .. i've seen people talk like that .. but they are my neices |
| 15:29.02 | oguz | abrotman, i do that mistake a lot here, sorry |
| 15:29.12 | Phated | The long way. |
| 15:29.14 | Phated | Hahah. |
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| 15:31.39 | streuner_ | teknoprep: do you use pump or dhclient? |
| 15:31.46 | teknoprep | dhcpcd |
| 15:32.04 | greycat | isn't dhcpcd deprecated? |
| 15:32.09 | teknoprep | i dunno |
| 15:32.14 | teknoprep | i use it for everything.. its great |
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| 15:32.49 | abrotman | i did say a while ago .. isn't dhcp3-client the default ? |
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| 15:33.06 | greycat | ii dhcp-client 2.0pl5-19.1 DHCP Client |
| 15:33.06 | teknoprep | yeah i will install that after this apt-get is done |
| 15:33.14 | greycat | that's what my sarge box has, but it was installed some time last year. |
| 15:33.20 | goron | nevyn: What's the difference between the business card cd image and the netinstall? |
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| 15:33.20 | Scrufffy | salut |
| 15:33.23 | abrotman | teknoprep: this is really debian .. right? |
| 15:33.25 | Scrufffy | pourriez vous m'aider ? |
| 15:33.26 | Scrufffy | !fr |
| 15:33.27 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:33.30 | teknoprep | lol |
| 15:33.31 | abrotman | teknoprep: not ubuntu or knoppix ? |
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| 15:33.33 | teknoprep | of course |
| 15:33.36 | nevyn | goron: basepackages I think |
| 15:33.44 | nevyn | goron: maybe not even. |
| 15:33.45 | dfzi | Scrufffy, vrei sa plec dar numa numa iei? |
| 15:33.50 | teknoprep | no debian |
| 15:33.59 | goron | nevyn: But they both can be used to install SID? |
| 15:34.00 | imka | i'm kinda sick of all those wanna be debians |
| 15:34.05 | abrotman | goron: with BC .. you MUST get all packages from the internet for a base-install .. with netinst .. you can use the CD to get a base-install |
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| 15:34.15 | teknoprep | lappyc:~# uname -a |
| 15:34.15 | teknoprep | Linux lappyc 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Mon Jan 24 02:32:52 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:34.23 | teknoprep | thats a debian kernel |
| 15:34.25 | goron | abrotman: Ok, then it's BC for me :) |
| 15:34.35 | abrotman | goron: if your NIC isn't supported .. you're fucked |
| 15:34.40 | oguz | streuner_, i am back, still i couldnt see the files inside the flash disk |
| 15:34.44 | teknoprep | can't get the 2.6.11 yet |
| 15:34.51 | imka | sarge + xfce from os-cillation is the way to go |
| 15:34.51 | abrotman | nor should you |
| 15:34.59 | greycat | teknoprep: you could grab it from packages.debian.org |
| 15:35.00 | teknoprep | why |
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| 15:35.07 | teknoprep | 2.6.11 rocked on gentoo |
| 15:35.12 | teknoprep | and so did my dhcp |
| 15:35.13 | teknoprep | lol |
| 15:35.14 | streuner_ | oguz: do you get any output with 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi/' |
| 15:35.16 | jethro | !gentoosmite teknoprep |
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| 15:35.21 | goron | abrotman: My NIC was supported on the netinstall cd. |
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| 15:35.30 | abrotman | goron: erm .. ok .. just a warning |
| 15:35.32 | goron | abrotman: And I assume the same kernel is used> |
| 15:35.42 | goron | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 15:35.45 | abrotman | teknoprep: you can't get dhcp working .. i wouldn't want you to try to compile a kernel :) |
| 15:35.52 | oguz | streuner_, not this time, i had it before rebooting |
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| 15:35.57 | teknoprep | lol its easy to compile a kernel |
| 15:36.07 | teknoprep | debian is whack for how they setup dhcp |
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| 15:36.18 | daft | if I have 2 programs with the same name in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin wich one is started? |
| 15:36.19 | teknoprep | i can get dhcp to work... ifconfig eth0 up; dhcpcd eth0 |
| 15:36.20 | teknoprep | done |
| 15:36.21 | teknoprep | lol |
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| 15:36.31 | caphuso | daft: depends on your $PATH |
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| 15:37.07 | abrotman | teknoprep: not really .. works for everyone else :) |
| 15:37.20 | teknoprep | someone else had a dhcp problem when i first came in |
| 15:37.27 | teknoprep | but i just think ti was his stupidity |
| 15:37.32 | teknoprep | does it just work for you guys |
| 15:37.32 | abrotman | teknoprep: /etc/init.d/networking restart;ifconfig -a |
| 15:37.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:37.39 | jethro | debian is whack for how they setup dhcp, now this is funny |
| 15:37.40 | teknoprep | does it work on the boot up cd |
| 15:37.42 | abrotman | it just works .. every damn time |
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| 15:37.51 | streuner_ | teknoprep: sure |
| 15:37.54 | nevyn | teknoprep: debian configures nicks as dhcp by default. |
| 15:37.55 | teknoprep | what about the net install cd |
| 15:37.58 | teknoprep | see mine doesn't work |
| 15:37.59 | floppyears | hello |
| 15:38.00 | nevyn | sure. |
| 15:38.00 | goron | abrotman: True. |
| 15:38.01 | abrotman | nevyn: nics |
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| 15:38.05 | jethro | teknoprep: it works with the netinstall |
| 15:38.08 | floppyears | I'm trying to help a friend |
| 15:38.08 | nevyn | abrotman: my bad. |
| 15:38.11 | abrotman | teknoprep: /etc/init.d/networking restart;ifconfig -a |
| 15:38.14 | teknoprep | when i stick the netinstall cd in .. dhcp doesn't work |
| 15:38.17 | floppyears | he wants to install centericq |
| 15:38.19 | teknoprep | hold up i can't |
| 15:38.23 | teknoprep | i am installing X |
| 15:38.28 | abrotman | teknoprep: what kind of NIC ? |
| 15:38.31 | teknoprep | i am sick of waiting for it |
| 15:38.32 | floppyears | the server has dpkg, but he only has access to his home directory |
| 15:38.33 | teknoprep | sis900 |
| 15:38.33 | streuner_ | teknoprep: apt-cache search show me on my sid box no dhcpd package... |
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| 15:38.42 | abrotman | streuner_: dhcpcd |
| 15:38.46 | floppyears | is there a way to specify in dpkg the path to be installed similar to prefix ? |
| 15:38.46 | abrotman | !info dhcpcd |
| 15:38.49 | dpkg | dhcpcd: (DHCP client for automatically configuring IPv4 networking.), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.22pl4-21 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 15:38.49 | abrotman | whatever that is |
| 15:39.00 | oguz | streuner_, i have an output with cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 15:39.00 | abrotman | floppyears: man dpkg ? |
| 15:39.21 | streuner_ | teknoprep: ok, here we go :-) apt-get install dhclient |
| 15:39.21 | floppyears | abrotman: I was wondering if somebody had done this here |
| 15:39.30 | oguz | streuner_, one is cdrom the other one is flash disk |
| 15:39.50 | teknoprep | ok |
| 15:39.50 | abrotman | floppyears: dunno .. read the man page .. see if there's a hint |
| 15:39.55 | streuner_ | teknoprep: apt-get install dhcp-client |
| 15:40.08 | teknoprep | getting it now |
| 15:40.10 | oguz | streuner_, should i use the output in some way? it says: Host: scsi3 for flash disk |
| 15:40.13 | teknoprep | done |
| 15:40.24 | teknoprep | oh oh ... now what |
| 15:40.32 | resiak | floppyears: You probably can't, but hey. |
| 15:40.34 | jethro | floppyears: you specify where to extract stuff from the package when you build it |
| 15:40.37 | abrotman | or dhcp3-client |
| 15:40.42 | streuner_ | teknoprep: ifdown -a , ifup -a |
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| 15:40.45 | abrotman | which would be better probably |
| 15:40.47 | jethro | floppyears: so I d build my own package(s) |
| 15:40.47 | streuner_ | oguz: mount it |
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| 15:41.06 | TbbW^ | what nvidia driver do u guys recomend? the one in kernel 2.6.* or some other one? |
| 15:41.11 | floppyears | jethro: thanks |
| 15:41.14 | floppyears | resiak: thanks |
| 15:41.20 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:41.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:41.25 | streuner_ | TbbW^: sarge? |
| 15:41.31 | TbbW^ | yes sarge |
| 15:41.38 | jethro | floppyears: you're welcome |
| 15:41.42 | streuner_ | TbbW^: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 15:42.01 | TbbW^ | ty |
| 15:42.02 | oguz | streuner_, will i mount scsi3? or /dev/sda1 |
| 15:42.12 | goron | abrotman: You like spelling and grammer a lot? :) |
| 15:42.18 | streuner_ | oguz: /dev/sda1 |
| 15:42.51 | abrotman | goron: grammar |
| 15:42.54 | abrotman | goron: i suppose |
| 15:43.06 | streuner_ | oguz: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /somehwere |
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| 15:43.17 | abrotman | goron: i really don't like 2,u,r,c,etc |
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| 15:43.24 | Rayen | hi, is it possible to use the ck-sources next to the gentoo-sources with the same Gentoo files, without messing my system up? |
| 15:43.31 | abrotman | Rayen: wrong channel |
| 15:43.46 | oguz | streuner_, : wrong fs type, |
| 15:43.52 | nevyn | goron: technical people who do technical things liking grammar who would have thought it. |
| 15:43.53 | kuse | Something is removing my regular user form the group audio on every boot, anyone know what that can be? |
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| 15:44.05 | nevyn | kuse: that's odd. |
| 15:44.29 | kuse | nevyn: sure is ;) |
| 15:44.33 | goron | abrotman: Uh, yes. That was stupid ;) |
| 15:44.35 | streuner_ | oguz: just use mount without -t vfat option |
| 15:44.45 | nevyn | kuse: are you SURE? |
| 15:45.01 | goron | abrotman: It's "I" instead of i ;) |
| 15:45.02 | xophEr | how can one make a .deb-file from source? e.g. now I would like to package a gnome panel applet |
| 15:45.07 | oguz | streuner_, you must specify the file system type |
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| 15:45.13 | tarzeau | xophEr: using debuild |
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| 15:45.23 | kuse | nevyn: yes, I'm sure, anoying as hell! |
| 15:45.23 | tarzeau | xophEr: a debian source package or a tar.gz source? |
| 15:45.26 | abrotman | goron: yeah .. i haven't quite gotten the capital letters down yet :) |
| 15:45.28 | streuner_ | oguz: ok, there is no FS (filesystem) on that media then |
| 15:45.32 | xophEr | tar.gz |
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| 15:45.52 | nevyn | kuse: I can't think of ANYTHING that would even modify groups... |
| 15:45.56 | tarzeau | xophEr: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 15:45.58 | [Thom]_ | How do I dump the contents of a text file to the console without using vi? |
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| 15:46.01 | xophEr | ok, thanks |
| 15:46.05 | nevyn | [Thom]_: cat |
| 15:46.06 | paulswm | [Thom]_: cat |
| 15:46.07 | abrotman | [Thom]_: cat ? |
| 15:46.09 | nevyn | [Thom]_: less |
| 15:46.13 | oguz | streuner_, but there are files in it, my friend uploaded some files from windows |
| 15:46.14 | abrotman | !prise paulswm |
| 15:46.15 | streuner_ | oguz: uname -a |
| 15:46.15 | nevyn | but if you want a dump.. cat |
| 15:46.17 | Dabian | most! |
| 15:46.19 | [Thom]_ | thanks everyone |
| 15:46.21 | paulswm | !lart abrotman |
| 15:46.29 | Dabian | [Thom]_: most |
| 15:46.34 | oguz | streuner_, Linux OzysDreams 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:46.37 | kuse | nevyn: I'll just set premission for everyone to use /dev/dsp* and /dev/mixer* then |
| 15:47.03 | nevyn | kuse: I wouldn't do that.. if something's modifying /etc/groups that's a problem. |
| 15:47.11 | nevyn | and you should find what is. |
| 15:47.25 | Dabian | kuse: Why do you choose such a provocative nick? |
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| 15:47.28 | nevyn | remove write permission to /etc/groups reboot and see what complains. |
| 15:47.40 | greycat | nevyn: /etc/group |
| 15:47.42 | greycat | no 's'. |
| 15:47.42 | nevyn | Dabian: how provocotive.. |
| 15:47.43 | abrotman | Dabian: where were you for rectum? |
| 15:47.55 | nevyn | greycat: bleh no tab completion in irc ;) |
| 15:47.58 | kuse | Dabian: my friends call me so |
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| 15:48.11 | Dabian | abrotman: I have talked to him. |
| 15:48.22 | nevyn | see that's just ass |
| 15:48.29 | jethro | Dabian: what's wrong with kuse? |
| 15:48.29 | Phated | Yes, no kidding. |
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| 15:48.33 | streuner_ | oguz: ask your friends what they made |
| 15:48.35 | abrotman | Dabian: and? |
| 15:48.40 | Dabian | abrotman: All I can do is state my opinion, its not for me to force anyone to give up a riddicules nick. |
| 15:48.47 | paulswm | abrotman: not to mention hogballs |
| 15:48.50 | abrotman | rediculous ? |
| 15:48.55 | Phated | paulswm: Hah. |
| 15:48.56 | abrotman | paulswm: it may have been the same |
| 15:48.59 | Dabian | abrotman: Thanks for ispell. |
| 15:49.04 | oguz | streuner_, they just copied a power point file from a windows xp |
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| 15:49.45 | cahoot | Dabian: in what language is kuse to be regarded as controversial? |
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| 15:49.57 | paulswm | oguz: is that a custom compiled kernel, and did you compile support for vfat into it |
| 15:49.59 | HopeSeekr | help!!! I've been a loyal Gentoo user for *years* (4?) and I am *hopelessly* ignorant of other systems...I am using a bootcd now..I *need* a binary package management system that can install via a commandline! Help! |
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| 15:50.11 | abrotman | !hurry |
| 15:50.11 | streuner_ | paulswm: official kernel of sarge |
| 15:50.11 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 15:50.19 | abrotman | gentoo has been out for four years> |
| 15:50.20 | abrotman | ? |
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| 15:50.20 | jethro | !gentoosmite HopeSeekr |
| 15:50.22 | paulswm | streuner_: Oh |
| 15:50.22 | streuner_ | paulswm: 2.6.8 |
| 15:50.28 | oguz | paulswm, i have windows partion and i can see it |
| 15:50.53 | nevyn | !lart gentoosmite |
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| 15:50.59 | HopeSeekr | can the debian package system (what's it called? be installed from the commandline? |
| 15:51.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:51.07 | nevyn | HopeSeekr: of course. |
| 15:51.08 | abrotman | why wouldn't it be able to? |
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| 15:51.13 | nevyn | HopeSeekr: but so can everyone's |
| 15:51.14 | greycat | um. |
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| 15:51.29 | HopeSeekr | nevyn, great...what is the best? |
| 15:51.43 | nevyn | HopeSeekr: what answer do you think you're gonna get here? |
| 15:51.45 | greycat | !d-i HopeSeekr |
| 15:51.46 | dpkg | HopeSeekr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 15:51.56 | nevyn | HopeSeekr: first look at the name of the channel.. |
| 15:52.02 | _joey | The best part about gentoo is to watch Gentoo users telling stories to each on how many days they spent compiling kde |
| 15:52.04 | HopeSeekr | greycat, thank you |
| 15:52.20 | HopeSeekr | nevyn, i expect rational non-biasedness from all sane people :-) |
| 15:52.32 | nevyn | HopeSeekr: you expect too much. |
| 15:52.36 | _joey | yay |
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| 15:52.41 | HopeSeekr | thank you guys |
| 15:52.42 | greycat | my *first* parsing was that he's running some non-debian linux box and wants to install apt-get on it. |
| 15:52.43 | streuner_ | oguz: get dosfstools and use mkfs.vfat, they should cp those files again to it |
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| 15:53.02 | Phated | greycat: Have we defaulted to tossing d-i at anyone whose question we don't understand, now? |
| 15:53.12 | HopeSeekr | THANK YOU!!! |
| 15:53.13 | paulswm | I thought the same as greycat |
| 15:53.17 | incorrect | has anyone got dell's omsa working with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:53.17 | doub | nevyn: is it better not to expect enough ? |
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| 15:53.19 | greycat | Phated: he thanked me... |
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| 15:53.25 | Dabian | :-P !tell Phated about d-i |
| 15:53.34 | Phated | greycat: He seems to be thanking a lot of people very loudly. |
| 15:53.44 | nevyn | doub: expecting rational comparison from people who use !gentoosmite is too much. |
| 15:53.49 | paulswm | So he's grateful. |
| 15:53.57 | Phated | Or simply redundant. :) |
| 15:54.11 | nevyn | doub: particularly when they probably havn't even run gentoo... |
| 15:54.36 | nevyn | doub: or investigated compiler technology. |
| 15:54.50 | abrotman | greycat: maybe we should make it an onjoin /msg from dpkg :) |
| 15:54.54 | doub | nevyn: so do i, but gentoo is just a dumb copy of BSD's logic. where isn't it rational? |
| 15:55.01 | nevyn | doub: or have any clue about the ways in which a modern cpu is NOT LIKE A 386 |
| 15:55.07 | greycat | abrotman: we already have one of those. nobody reads it. |
| 15:55.16 | abrotman | not in /msg |
| 15:55.19 | abrotman | least .. not for me |
| 15:55.33 | Phated | Me neither. There's a /notice though, isn't there? |
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| 15:55.46 | teknoprep | ok badk |
| 15:55.48 | teknoprep | back even |
| 15:55.53 | teknoprep | had to fix something in the fwsm |
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| 15:55.54 | oguz | streuner_, ok thanx |
| 15:56.06 | streuner_ | oguz: np |
| 15:56.34 | oguz | streuner_, i will try it after it finishes the formatting |
| 15:56.39 | Petro | How do I permanently change the language id? (ie en_FR => en_US) |
| 15:56.52 | nevyn | doub: eg.. -k7 instead of -k6 means dvd's play with full framerate and enhancements on my athlon 600 box. |
| 15:57.00 | teknoprep | lol |
| 15:57.04 | teknoprep | now it just sits there |
| 15:57.14 | greycat | Phated: abrotman: there's a /notice from chanserv |
| 15:57.19 | teknoprep | DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255. port 67 interval 21 |
| 15:57.23 | Phated | greycat: Indeed. |
| 15:57.25 | teknoprep | and keeps changing |
| 15:57.27 | doub | nevyn: are today's CPUs used to their full potential? i guess a 386 is more likely to be than a cutting edge cpu with all compiler cpu optmisations on |
| 15:57.28 | abrotman | greycat: i know about that |
| 15:57.29 | teknoprep | interval 8 |
| 15:57.32 | teknoprep | interval 16 |
| 15:57.33 | teknoprep | w0ot |
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| 15:57.37 | teknoprep | it got an ip |
| 15:57.47 | resiak | teknoprep: Thank you so much for the commentry |
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| 15:58.04 | nevyn | doub: I know debian is slower than gentoo. there are other things I like about debian that make me choose it. |
| 15:58.05 | teknoprep | well this is bettr now |
| 15:58.13 | teknoprep | debian isn't slower then gentoo |
| 15:58.14 | oguz | streuner_, mkfs.vfat: failed whilst writing FAT |
| 15:58.16 | jethro | slower? |
| 15:58.17 | teknoprep | are you out of your mind |
| 15:58.19 | nevyn | sure. |
| 15:58.20 | resiak | teknoprep: You have just scrolled my screen up an entire windowful, for no discernable gain for anyone in the whole entire channel. Thanks. |
| 15:58.31 | teknoprep | np resiak |
| 15:58.37 | teknoprep | make your screen bigger |
| 15:58.42 | teknoprep | i use 140x1050 on my console |
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| 15:58.51 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:58.56 | teknoprep | 0x351 |
| 15:59.01 | teknoprep | 0x341 even |
| 15:59.03 | doub | nevyn: if you're at comparing sizes, i've been able to play divx on a K6-2 333, but with a real video card (my pII 333 laptop with neomagic graphics is unable to even play a dvd) |
| 15:59.27 | nevyn | doub: what player? |
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| 15:59.32 | doub | nevyn: and all that with just gcc 2.95 and a home built mplayer |
| 15:59.41 | nevyn | doub: note I said all enhancements on. |
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| 15:59.53 | nevyn | doub: that means motion compensation Deblocking etc |
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| 15:59.59 | whistlers | hi |
| 16:00.07 | abrotman | lo |
| 16:00.10 | teknoprep | what are the sources i add for java |
| 16:00.11 | honschu | How to convert filename from upper to lowercase? |
| 16:00.15 | teknoprep | i have testing/main |
| 16:00.22 | abrotman | !tell teknoprep about java |
| 16:00.23 | teknoprep | i think i have to add contrib and something else |
| 16:00.32 | nevyn | teknoprep: you need contrib for java-package |
| 16:00.40 | whistlers | im having some trouble with grub, how do i get the menu to work, right now its jus thte command prompt |
| 16:00.40 | oguz | streuner_, Searching for bad blocks 22496... 53472... 88544... mkfs.vfat: bad blocks before data-area: cannot make fs |
| 16:00.41 | doub | nevyn: i fail to see the point of those enhancement. being able to enjoy a good movie is my only goal |
| 16:00.47 | cahoot | honschu: look for 'rename' |
| 16:00.50 | oguz | streuner_, how can i fix that bad blocks |
| 16:00.53 | honschu | cahoot, thx |
| 16:00.55 | nevyn | doub: you're not outputing to a TV then. |
| 16:01.03 | jethro | oguz: get a new drive |
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| 16:01.23 | oguz | jethro, ok send me one |
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| 16:01.33 | doub | nevyn: no |
| 16:01.40 | greycat | !start a music war |
| 16:01.40 | jethro | streuner_: pink floyd? |
| 16:01.41 | dpkg | Blues Traveler rocks! |
| 16:01.52 | streuner_ | jethro: yeah :-) |
| 16:01.59 | jethro | oguz: I have a spare 80G IDE on my desk, want it? |
| 16:02.10 | teknoprep | what is it... fakeroot dpkg name-of.bin |
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| 16:02.15 | oguz | jethro, good i can use it |
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| 16:02.35 | doub | jethro: is that a serious offer ? ;) |
| 16:02.46 | jethro | doub: would you question me? :) |
| 16:02.47 | oguz | i am serious |
| 16:02.48 | nevyn | sigh look I know everyone here disagrees that compiler optimisation is a useful thing. and I'm sure that for any case where optimisation improves something by hundreds of percent someone can point at a case where it's a loss or insignificant gain. |
| 16:02.51 | jethro | oguz: I am not :) |
| 16:03.05 | oguz | jethro, i can see that |
| 16:03.17 | jethro | oguz: as for the badblocks, changing the drive is the only option in the long run |
| 16:03.18 | teknoprep | i will have to agree.. efnet blows arse |
| 16:03.42 | oguz | jethro, this usb had been used before, without any problems |
| 16:03.44 | andyd | does anyone here use cacti, and find that it's stopped graphing some tihngs after a recent dist-upgrade ? |
| 16:03.48 | teknoprep | i use cacti |
| 16:03.52 | doub | nevyn: compiler optimisation won't replace a arch or cpu specific code |
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| 16:04.14 | nevyn | doub: but that's all disabled when you compile i386 |
| 16:04.25 | teknoprep | andyd check your cron setttings.. did it take out the snmp crap that needs to be there for cacti to get the snmp info every 5 minutes |
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| 16:04.47 | nevyn | doub: there is cpu specific code in lots of progects to take advantage of mmx sse etc. that is never built by debian sigh. |
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| 16:04.55 | doub | nevyn: yes, but show evidence that compiling a whole distribution for your particular arch is a noticable performance gain |
| 16:05.10 | nevyn | doub: and we get back to what I said above. |
| 16:05.13 | andyd | teknoprep: yes, there does seem to be some stuff missing |
| 16:05.19 | teknoprep | then put it back |
| 16:05.26 | teknoprep | read the how-to at cacti's site |
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| 16:05.29 | teknoprep | they show you what you need to do |
| 16:05.32 | doub | nevyn: i sincerely doubt it. it can change things on CPU intensive operations, but that's ridiculously useless otherwise |
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| 16:05.37 | andyd | thank you |
| 16:05.38 | greycat | nevyn: some packages do have CPU-optimized variants. |
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| 16:05.52 | greycat | e.g. ogle-mmx - DVD player with support for DVD menus |
| 16:05.55 | nevyn | right. |
| 16:06.04 | greycat | and various mplayer-* in marillat. |
| 16:06.06 | teknoprep | */5 * * * * cacti [ -e /var/lock/subsys/cacti ] && php /var/www/html/cacti/poller.php > /dev/null 2>&1\ |
| 16:06.06 | nevyn | but no gzip-k7 |
| 16:06.11 | nevyn | or bzip2-k7 |
| 16:06.15 | teknoprep | andyd |
| 16:06.22 | xfmaple | hello ,everyone /msg |
| 16:06.27 | andyd | thank you again |
| 16:06.29 | nevyn | greycat: mplayer-k6 no -k7 which means no 3dnow |
| 16:06.31 | whistlers | how do i boot a partition in grub |
| 16:06.34 | whistlers | at the command line? |
| 16:06.34 | freedom | use src rebuild |
| 16:06.48 | teknoprep | for that use.. you have to have a cacti user |
| 16:06.50 | greycat | nevyn: file a bug report :) |
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| 16:07.06 | doub | nevyn: 3Dnow was introduced with k6-2 IIRC |
| 16:07.16 | teknoprep | and that cacti user must have permissions to thet /var/lock/subsys/cacti and /var/www/html/cacti/poller.php directorie |
| 16:07.19 | nevyn | doub: the -k6 is k6 original |
| 16:07.23 | nevyn | so no 3dnow |
| 16:07.24 | teknoprep | you could just change cacti to root |
| 16:07.31 | andyd | *nod* |
| 16:07.33 | xfmaple | hihi /MOTD |
| 16:07.36 | IDC | does anyone know why i have a " debian-sys-maint | localhost " in mysql ? |
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| 16:07.51 | freedom | what's cacti user? |
| 16:07.56 | freedom | hi |
| 16:08.02 | fatalblu | it's part of debians update scripts |
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| 16:08.05 | teknoprep | i keep users for all of my stuff |
| 16:08.05 | fatalblu | don't remove it |
| 16:08.15 | teknoprep | so if i have cacti running |
| 16:08.20 | nevyn | but the original point was.. gentoosmite displays ignorance of the basic fact that cpu bound operations are made more efficient by compiler optimisation |
| 16:08.30 | teknoprep | i have a user called cacti that runs everything for cacti but has no access to anything else |
| 16:08.31 | paulswm | !gentoosmite nevyn |
| 16:08.37 | teknoprep | its called security |
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| 16:08.53 | jethro | damn, they amount of days is even random! |
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| 16:08.56 | doub | nevyn: you're right, it doesnt come compiled in. but that's not an official debian package, and compiling it is as simple as "apt-get -b source mplayer" |
| 16:08.56 | paulswm | Couldn't resist that |
| 16:08.58 | nevyn | and while the computer waits for user imput most of the time.. the time people notice is while they're waiting for a kernel source archive to uncompress |
| 16:09.03 | jethro | dpkg: literal cmd: gentoosmite (.*?) |
| 16:09.03 | dpkg | CMD: gentoosmite (.*?) is ($1): <action> spends (5|6|7|8|9) (days|weeks) recompiling $1, and when it's all done, $1 runs ((1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10)% slower|no faster|0.(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)% faster) than previously |
| 16:09.14 | andyd | ah, i was looking in the crontabs, there is something in /etc/cron.d/cacti |
| 16:09.16 | doub | nevyn: which will build for your arch, just as a regular source build |
| 16:09.17 | andyd | */5 * * * * www-data /usr/share/cacti/site/poller.php >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 16:09.24 | _joey | :)) |
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| 16:10.17 | freedom | gentoo users are very crazy on gcc arguments |
| 16:10.18 | nevyn | doub: sure. I've been meaning to do that. but the point was about #debian's attitude to what is a technical issue. |
| 16:10.29 | teknoprep | freedom |
| 16:10.29 | TwistedEmotions | Errr.... My mplayer... .... I lost the controls to it... I can play videos but there are no buttons to it... help? |
| 16:10.35 | teknoprep | freedom thats because you compile everything |
| 16:10.39 | teknoprep | sorta makes sense |
| 16:10.47 | nevyn | freedom: so they expose a lot of bugs in the compiler and missreport them to projects.. I know this. |
| 16:10.59 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to get the controls to pop up on mplayer? |
| 16:11.07 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: ask #mplayer |
| 16:11.08 | EdibleText | TwistedEmotions, gmplayer? |
| 16:11.09 | nevyn | TwistedEmotions: gmplaer? |
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| 16:11.15 | freedom | i ' m building my first LFS ... |
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| 16:11.31 | TwistedEmotions | Yeah gmplayer |
| 16:11.33 | doub | nevyn: you're free to use whatever you want, apt-build can turn debian a little bit in the "compile everything" world. and i don't think people on #debian are representative of anything but themeselves |
| 16:11.33 | teknoprep | what client you guys using.. for irc.. with that nick completion |
| 16:11.41 | teknoprep | nevyn what clinent you using |
| 16:11.43 | teknoprep | for irc |
| 16:11.47 | nevyn | irssi |
| 16:11.53 | teknoprep | is that like bitchx |
| 16:11.53 | xfmaple | yeah |
| 16:12.03 | exerd | i have a file called fonts.cache-1 in all my folders. Whats that? |
| 16:12.03 | TwistedEmotions | EdibleText: nevyn : yes gmplayer... how do I ge tthe controls to open up again? |
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| 16:12.14 | nevyn | no.. it wasn't written by crack monkeys |
| 16:12.17 | paulswm | nevyn: so if you want to, compile your own stuff or contact debian package maintainers, the endless whining in here serves no useful purpose IMO |
| 16:12.20 | teknoprep | gawd i hate bitchx |
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| 16:12.27 | teknoprep | gimme xchat |
| 16:13.05 | paulswm | teknoprep: apt-get install xchat then |
| 16:13.10 | EdibleText | TwistedEmotions, I made a distinction because mplayer is cmd player and thus does not have buttons.. I have not used gmplayer or mplayer gui |
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| 16:13.29 | TwistedEmotions | EdibleText: Ohhhh.... whooops... |
| 16:13.36 | TwistedEmotions | EdibleText: Sorry |
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| 16:13.56 | TwistedEmotions | EdibleText: your right... I was using mplayer not gmplayer |
| 16:14.04 | TwistedEmotions | by bad ;( |
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| 16:14.28 | EdibleText | TwistedEmotions, no need to be sorry. there was a chance that your brain wasnt working and you accidently used mplayer rather then gmplayer or something |
| 16:15.11 | nevyn | TwistedEmotions: I almost never use the gui sorry... |
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| 16:15.17 | TwistedEmotions | EdibleText: For some reason in the file browser mplayer is default and not gmplayer... will change it now ;) |
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| 16:15.21 | elad_ | someone can give me mirror of debian unstable please? |
| 16:15.40 | greycat | elad_: run apt-setup and read sources.list(5) |
| 16:15.43 | freedom | never use gui ... -_- |
| 16:15.43 | nevyn | elad_: sure just send me 80,000 floppies |
| 16:15.45 | greycat | elad_: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:15.50 | greycat | nevyn: hahaha |
| 16:15.55 | toad_ | what's the easiest way to make sshd block any idiot who sends 10+ connection attempts with different invalid users? |
| 16:15.58 | elad_ | thanks :) |
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| 16:16.24 | bonggnu | hi, i have a VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video, how can i config in debian ? |
| 16:16.33 | drac | bonggnu: driver "via" |
| 16:16.42 | Gozar | Hi again. What can be the reason that my nfs share can't create files biger than 2Gb? I'm use nfs-kernel-server on a debian woody stable! |
| 16:16.43 | freedom | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.46 | nevyn | toad_: add a firewall rule from a script in cron? |
| 16:16.54 | greycat | Gozar: it's NFS. Live with it. |
| 16:16.57 | toad_ | nevyn: would have to run really frequently |
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| 16:17.12 | bonggnu | drac, vic gives the solution? or is a partial solution |
| 16:17.13 | iLLf8d | morning all |
| 16:17.14 | cahoot | toad_: there are a couple of threads on that subjuect on the debian user mailing list |
| 16:17.15 | toad_ | I could make a script using tail --follow=name /var/log/auth.log | ... |
| 16:17.18 | doub | greycat: isn't NFSv4 solving this issue? |
| 16:17.22 | nevyn | toad_: that works... |
| 16:17.23 | drac | bonggnu: Don't use Vesa, use driver "via", and better yet, look at unoffical X.Org repository at debian-desktop.org, to get newer version of driver "via" |
| 16:17.24 | paulswm | I can create files bigger than 2GB on NFS (on sarge anyway) |
| 16:17.24 | toad_ | but surely there's a package that can do it? |
| 16:17.26 | greycat | doub: might be... |
| 16:17.32 | drac | bonggnu: No, it's no partial solution. It's correct driver for your card. |
| 16:17.39 | malaprop | How do I find what package a file comes from? Manual suggested 'apt-file search filename' but that returns nothing. |
| 16:17.42 | iLLf8d | whats the name of the command to dump all commandline input/output to a file? |
| 16:17.48 | bonggnu | drac thanks! |
| 16:17.49 | greycat | malaprop: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:17.52 | toad_ | anyone who reads his logcheck mails will probably want something like this... |
| 16:17.55 | Gozar | greycat: So you are saying, I should look into another option? |
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| 16:18.21 | nevyn | when you get 10 fails iptables -I INPUT --src=$ipaddr -j drop or whatever the syntax is |
| 16:18.24 | paulswm | malaprop: that is how, with apt-file search, but do apt-file update first to make sure the list is up to date |
| 16:18.27 | doub | paulswm: what kernel? or maybe you're using the userland one? |
| 16:18.39 | valdyn | iLLf8d: script |
| 16:18.51 | greycat | grr! why are both #ssh and #openssh showing no users/no topic? |
| 16:19.05 | malaprop | greycat: Thanks, dpkg -S filename worked. |
| 16:19.18 | toad_ | i suppose, but i don't consider my main role to be that of a sysadmin... and there must be a package somewhere.. /me looks at the list archives |
| 16:19.21 | malaprop | Ah, as did apt-file after running update. Thanks also to paulswm. |
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| 16:19.51 | iLLf8d | valdyn: thanks I couldn't remember its name for some reason =P |
| 16:19.51 | paulswm | doub: custom 2.6 |
| 16:19.54 | toad_ | debian-user, in may? |
| 16:19.58 | MeMbRaX | Nothing to be found on the web : how to access a Sony NW-HD3 thru USB without a glitch ? |
| 16:20.13 | nevyn | paulswm: the problem with most debian build systems is that they break upgrades.. so you have to go re apt-get build blah |
| 16:20.16 | cahoot | toad_: april and earlier |
| 16:20.18 | greycat | MeMbRaX: what is it? a hard drive? a CD writer? |
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| 16:20.28 | EdibleText | MeMbRaX, is that a camera or somesuch thing |
| 16:20.56 | greycat | 12:19 <- notice[ChanServ] Channel: #openssh |
| 16:20.57 | greycat | 12:19 <- notice[ChanServ] Last Used: 6 days (1h 15m 43s) ago |
| 16:20.59 | greycat | bah. |
| 16:21.03 | bonggnu | drac, this sources works on sid ? |
| 16:21.05 | MeMbRaX | New mp3 walkman from Sony, but only accessible thru their own SonicStae software ... for windows. |
| 16:21.13 | greycat | !pal MeMbRaX |
| 16:21.19 | nevyn | MeMbRaX: nice. |
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| 16:21.37 | nevyn | sony is so skitz.. |
| 16:21.45 | MeMbRaX | Why laughs ? |
| 16:21.51 | greycat | MeMbRaX: because it's funny. |
| 16:21.56 | nevyn | we like ac3 no mp3 is where it's at... |
| 16:22.05 | MeMbRaX | :) |
| 16:22.09 | cahoot | toad_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/04/msg03242.html |
| 16:22.10 | greycat | would you like some mp3 with your DRM? |
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| 16:22.23 | paulswm | nevyn: I don't understand your remark, but that's OK, you don't need to explain, I have no issues with any of my debian installations |
| 16:22.30 | MeMbRaX | ... yeah DRM seems to be the main glitch here |
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| 16:22.55 | elad_ | apt-setup is download Testing-source, and I need unstable... :S ? |
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| 16:22.55 | toad_ | reporting the IPs to the ISPs is probably not a good idea... 50% or so of home users have un-updatable pirate copies of winXP which get cracked in minutes, and are not going to buy a genuine copy so they can update, and certainly aren't going to switch to linux... |
| 16:22.57 | nevyn | paulswm: if I choose to build gzip from source.. the package system should remember this and built it on upgrade |
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| 16:23.08 | greycat | MeMbRaX: no, the main glitch was whoever paid *money* for this thing. |
| 16:23.34 | MeMbRaX | I do agree |
| 16:23.44 | paulswm | nevyn: by 'should', I assume you regard this as a bug, so file a bug report |
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| 16:23.51 | usn | hi folx |
| 16:23.57 | nevyn | paulswm: the mechinism doesn't even exist. |
| 16:24.01 | cievo | all...hello |
| 16:24.21 | paulswm | nevyn: then use a Linux distro that does do this. |
| 16:24.22 | MeMbRaX | My situation is hopeless then ? |
| 16:24.31 | nevyn | paulswm: but I like debian ;) |
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| 16:24.51 | paulswm | nevyn: HAH |
| 16:25.13 | elad_ | someone know what should I do please? |
| 16:25.17 | nevyn | paulswm: doesn't mean I can't engage in a discussion involving constructive critisism. ;) |
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| 16:25.53 | paulswm | nevyn: I understand, but the audience here can't help, just a bunch of debian users helping each other out |
| 16:26.03 | EdibleText | MeMbRaX, when you plug USB in youll get some output. run dmesg and go from there. perhaps youll find a site on the net dedicated to making this 'work with linux' |
| 16:26.04 | toad_ | hmmm... spoofing the IP address of a tcp connection isn't THAT easy is it? |
| 16:26.11 | paulswm | nevyn: or sometimes not helping, as the case may be :) |
| 16:26.17 | toad_ | you need to handshake, that means you need to see the session numbers, right? |
| 16:26.40 | nevyn | paulswm: the point is.. source access is a debian weak point.. bdale mentioned this in a presentation two YEARS ago.. and nothings moved on it ;) |
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| 16:26.42 | Spizzo | hi all |
| 16:26.45 | Spizzo | how are you all doing |
| 16:26.46 | teknoprep | welp dhcp is working fine now |
| 16:26.48 | MeMbRaX | OK, txk |
| 16:26.51 | teknoprep | it was the package i was using |
| 16:26.52 | toad_ | nevyn: it's quite possible to build almost any package from source |
| 16:26.56 | toad_ | apt-get -b <packagename> |
| 16:26.58 | toad_ | err |
| 16:27.01 | nevyn | toad_: sure it's possible.. |
| 16:27.03 | toad_ | apt-get -b source <packagename> |
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| 16:27.09 | nevyn | but what happens when you next upgrade. |
| 16:27.17 | Spizzo | im a new user wanting to get into using Debian at my work place for troublshooting the network, domain etc. |
| 16:27.22 | tarzeau | toad_: almost? |
| 16:27.36 | toad_ | i was told that apt-build has a gentoo-like build-everything-including-dependancies function |
| 16:27.36 | tarzeau | Spizzo: that's not a question |
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| 16:27.44 | toad_ | so you can effectively do dist-upgrade from source |
| 16:27.48 | EdibleText | Spizzo, first you need to install debian |
| 16:27.56 | Spizzo | Ive been given an old laptop and thought I'd give debian a go instead of installing windows |
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| 16:28.04 | nevyn | maybe I need to look at it again. |
| 16:28.08 | tarzeau | Spizzo: good idea. do it! |
| 16:28.14 | Spizzo | network wise i can use tools that come with the os... ie ping etc |
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| 16:28.21 | toad_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/04/msg03258.html |
| 16:28.22 | toad_ | oooh |
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| 16:28.23 | EdibleText | Spizzo, I agree with tarzeau. do it |
| 16:28.32 | Spizzo | but out of curiosity what tools can i use to make sure domain is up and running |
| 16:28.37 | Spizzo | this is a windows domain |
| 16:28.44 | Spizzo | sorry for my ignorance |
| 16:28.46 | nevyn | Spizzo: define old... |
| 16:28.51 | Spizzo | but i just need some direction |
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| 16:29.00 | Spizzo | umm a Toshiba Satelite 4200 i think |
| 16:29.06 | nevyn | Spizzo: samba is the tool for integrating with windows domain's |
| 16:29.26 | nevyn | Spizzo: that doesn't mean much.. cpu, ram, hdd would be great ;) |
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| 16:29.32 | toad_ | http://blog.andrew.net.au/2005/02/17#ipt_recent_and_ssh_attacks |
| 16:29.33 | toad_ | cool |
| 16:29.33 | Spizzo | ohh |
| 16:29.42 | Spizzo | PIII 700, 256MG RAM |
| 16:29.44 | toad_ | now how can i integrate this into /etc/ipmasq? |
| 16:29.48 | Spizzo | i tink 10GB hdd |
| 16:29.50 | EdibleText | there is a lot of tools associated with samba. tools for mounting and querying about shares, joining printers and joining domains etc... |
| 16:29.56 | nevyn | Spizzo: so a recentish system |
| 16:30.01 | nevyn | Spizzo: that's not old. |
| 16:30.03 | toad_ | actually the perl option may be better |
| 16:30.05 | Spizzo | well |
| 16:30.09 | nevyn | Spizzo: old is a 486 with 16mb |
| 16:30.10 | Spizzo | to me its old :) |
| 16:30.16 | toad_ | i only want to block them if they have got the username wrong |
| 16:30.17 | tarzeau | Spizzo: you could try a live cd as well, say livecd.gnustep.org |
| 16:30.18 | Spizzo | that's ancient :) |
| 16:30.29 | tarzeau | Spizzo: it comes with some nice handy tools like ipraf, network sniffers and the like |
| 16:30.38 | Spizzo | i see |
| 16:30.44 | nevyn | Spizzo: see how specifics are more useful than "it's old" |
| 16:30.44 | daft | knoppix configures automaticly X is there a debian package for that |
| 16:30.51 | Spizzo | i want to be able to equip myself with all the tools i need |
| 16:30.52 | greycat | daft: use sarge. |
| 16:30.59 | bonggnu | deb http://www.debian-desktop.org/pub/linux/debian/xorg-6.8.2/ sarge main this sources could be works on debian unstable ? |
| 16:31.05 | nevyn | Spizzo: what do you need to do? |
| 16:31.07 | greycat | bonggnu: /topic |
| 16:31.20 | EdibleText | nevyn, hack teh gibson |
| 16:31.28 | daft | greycat: I want to know the package im making a debian live cd |
| 16:31.38 | streuner_ | bonggnu: a good chance to broke your system |
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| 16:31.57 | freedom | why not ubuntu working with xorg very well |
| 16:32.00 | nevyn | bonggnu: works for some systems here but ymmv |
| 16:32.04 | Spizzo | making sure my company's network is always up and running, keeping the server rooms in check, making sure all ports are working correctly and if not fix them.. the thing is i can do this all with a windows based machine... what sort of tools would i need if i were to install debian |
| 16:32.08 | streuner_ | bonggnu: wait till sarge is stable... |
| 16:32.13 | tarzeau | freedom: it working on all archs= |
| 16:32.23 | nevyn | Spizzo: ok. you need an rdesktop client.. |
| 16:32.26 | bonggnu | streuner_, but i am using unstable, not testing |
| 16:32.31 | Spizzo | i can see that i would install debian and at least give it a nice interface so install XFree... I want to install the base and then install what i need |
| 16:32.33 | nevyn | what sort of servers? |
| 16:32.39 | Spizzo | umm |
| 16:32.52 | nevyn | windows linux unix? |
| 16:32.56 | Spizzo | we have various windows 2000 servers... we also employ AD... |
| 16:33.12 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 16:33.13 | nevyn | Spizzo: AD and linux only get along in a sorta way right now.. |
| 16:33.17 | toad_ | there are some nice monitoring apps... |
| 16:33.25 | streuner_ | bonggnu: after sarge is stable, xorg is in debian then... |
| 16:33.28 | Spizzo | remote desktop is used on windows machines... is there a way to gain remote access in to a windows machine with an application |
| 16:33.43 | nevyn | Spizzo: yes.. a remote desktop client for linux these exist. |
| 16:33.48 | bonggnu | ok |
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| 16:33.52 | teknoprep | ssh -- forwarding of x packets |
| 16:33.55 | Spizzo | to be honest... AD is only working on part of the network |
| 16:33.56 | tarzeau | freedom: i mean architectures like powerpc, sparc, hp-pa, mips etc |
| 16:34.05 | teknoprep | vnc -- very nice over network |
| 16:34.11 | toad_ | curious that there isn't a package for this: http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/security/sshd_sentry/ |
| 16:34.13 | Spizzo | most part they do admin manually through using the basic windows user/group creration tools |
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| 16:34.16 | tarzeau | takatumi: there? |
| 16:34.18 | EdibleText | Spizzo, tightvnc server on windows.. vncviewer from linux |
| 16:34.27 | freedom | what about rdesktop |
| 16:34.29 | teknoprep | why do your linux servers have x running on them |
| 16:34.46 | nevyn | EdibleText: vnc sucks compared to RDP over a lan. |
| 16:34.50 | tarzeau | teknoprep: why should they not? |
| 16:35.03 | teknoprep | do you need x installed on themn |
| 16:35.09 | teknoprep | do you use it as a desktop |
| 16:35.10 | tarzeau | teknoprep: sometimes, yes |
| 16:35.10 | streuner_ | teknoprep: what's the URL to see cacti in action? |
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| 16:35.17 | tarzeau | teknoprep: sometimes |
| 16:35.17 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 16:35.18 | nevyn | tarzeau: because servers don't run X :) |
| 16:35.25 | tarzeau | nevyn: who says that? |
| 16:35.26 | toad_ | could you crash this script by using loads of IPs? |
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| 16:35.33 | teknoprep | tarzaeu wtf... you stupid |
| 16:35.36 | toad_ | probably.. but if you could use loads of IPs you wouldn't need to... |
| 16:35.36 | EdibleText | nevyn, no experiance with that.. I dont doubt it |
| 16:35.41 | teknoprep | stop talking if you think its good to bog a server down with more shit |
| 16:35.41 | tarzeau | teknoprep: no i'm not stupid, you idiot! |
| 16:35.45 | teknoprep | lol |
| 16:35.49 | nevyn | sigh... |
| 16:35.52 | teknoprep | that was great |
| 16:35.53 | nevyn | children.. |
| 16:35.56 | streuner_ | haha |
| 16:35.59 | Spizzo | what tools can i use to determine how many ip address have been issued out from a windows based dhcp server in debian? |
| 16:36.01 | cplx | !fix oakland |
| 16:36.03 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.05 | nevyn | tarzeau: servers are important secure systems... |
| 16:36.10 | tarzeau | nevyn: who says that? |
| 16:36.11 | teknoprep | no X |
| 16:36.17 | tarzeau | nevyn: it depends what kind of server it is, and what for |
| 16:36.19 | Spizzo | the way i see |
| 16:36.21 | streuner_ | teknoprep: what's the URL to see cacti in action on your system? |
| 16:36.23 | teknoprep | tarzaeu not your dumb ass obviously |
| 16:36.25 | teknoprep | oh sorry |
| 16:36.26 | tarzeau | nevyn: some servers are not important, some are not secure |
| 16:36.33 | Spizzo | is you dont want to have additional resourses being run on servers ie XFree |
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| 16:36.38 | teknoprep | streuner_ whatever your apache is configured for |
| 16:36.41 | Spizzo | and to keep the syste as tight as possible form atach |
| 16:36.42 | tarzeau | teknoprep: it's just not the way you tell it is |
| 16:36.51 | tarzeau | teknoprep: just like the web isn't html as defined by w3c |
| 16:36.51 | teknoprep | where are your files located streuner_ |
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| 16:37.00 | Spizzo | if those servers arent important |
| 16:37.03 | teknoprep | tarzeau use RH ES 3 as his linux servers |
| 16:37.05 | nevyn | the resource thing is a red herring imho. it's about attack vectors. |
| 16:37.08 | streuner_ | teknoprep: there is still nothing in var/www |
| 16:37.11 | nevyn | tarzeau: yeah and that sucks. |
| 16:37.11 | Spizzo | and you want an easy way of configuring your server ie web server |
| 16:37.15 | tarzeau | teknoprep: no i don't. stop lying |
| 16:37.16 | Spizzo | then i guess use a naice GUI too |
| 16:37.30 | tarzeau | nevyn: of course it sucks, that why we must use crap browsers like mozilla and firefox, and ie |
| 16:37.32 | Spizzo | guys... just let me know if im overstepping my mark |
| 16:37.36 | teknoprep | tarzeau has to have X running becuase RH won't help him if he doesn't |
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| 16:37.40 | Spizzo | ive only heard about debian unix heh |
| 16:37.47 | LinuxMafia | toad_: no :P |
| 16:37.50 | tarzeau | teknoprep: fuck off! i don't have rh. and i can do everything in the console without x |
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| 16:37.58 | tarzeau | teknoprep: you don't fucking know me, stop spreading fud |
| 16:38.12 | Spizzo | guys whats the diffeerence between mozilla and firefox .. arent they made by the same company? |
| 16:38.19 | teknoprep | tarzeau you have answerd all of our questions with your ranting you have just done |
| 16:38.23 | teknoprep | why do you have X installed |
| 16:38.24 | nevyn | Spizzo: neither of them are made by a company |
| 16:38.27 | EdibleText | Spizzo, what the hell. if you run windows services on windows machines you sort of *have to* use windows to admin it.. |
| 16:38.30 | tarzeau | teknoprep: because i sometimes need it |
| 16:38.37 | greycat | Spizzo: see www.mozilla.org |
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| 16:38.39 | teknoprep | but you can do everything in console |
| 16:38.40 | nevyn | tarzeau: you're trolling stop. (yeah I know pot kettle black etc) |
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| 16:38.54 | nevyn | EdibleText: no he doesn't |
| 16:38.57 | Spizzo | EdibleText... yeah but you dont have to on a unix box :) |
| 16:39.02 | tarzeau | teknoprep: that doesn't make x wrong to use |
| 16:39.15 | tarzeau | teknoprep: and there's stuff that can be done more efficient (or only) in x |
| 16:39.15 | nevyn | Spizzo: you don't need to run windows to administer windows machines.. |
| 16:39.16 | cplx | /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 16:39.16 | cplx | Starting web server: apache failed |
| 16:39.18 | streuner_ | teknoprep, tarzeau: stop with that childish crap now |
| 16:39.22 | cplx | what could be some reasons why apache is failing? |
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| 16:39.35 | tarzeau | streuner_: it's not wrong to run x on some servers |
| 16:39.36 | exerd | vim /etc/fonts/local.conf what is that file called in debian? |
| 16:39.40 | teknoprep | streuner_ where is your cacti directory.. in /var/www/html/ what |
| 16:39.41 | Spizzo | nev, yeah i know |
| 16:39.42 | nevyn | Spizzo: you can do lots of stuff very effectivly with samba's tools. |
| 16:39.55 | Spizzo | im just trying to determine the tools i need to get my job done |
| 16:39.56 | teknoprep | should be /var/www/html/cacti |
| 16:39.59 | nevyn | Spizzo: not to mention there's rdp as an out if you want to jump on a server |
| 16:40.02 | EdibleText | nevyn, aside from using something from rdesktop or vnc or pcanywhere how? |
| 16:40.12 | cplx | Starting web server: apache failed - can anyone suggest what could be happening here? |
| 16:40.14 | tarzeau | i'd rather run X on my servers than PHP |
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| 16:40.19 | streuner_ | teknoprep: there is nothing in /var/www strange |
| 16:40.26 | Spizzo | so samba will be able to log me on to the domain etc |
| 16:40.30 | EdibleText | nevyn, and you would still be using windows tools for administration right? |
| 16:40.34 | teknoprep | there is nothing at all? |
| 16:40.35 | streuner_ | teknoprep: nothing for cacti |
| 16:40.43 | nevyn | EdibleText: no. |
| 16:40.47 | teknoprep | check /etc/cacti/cacti.conf |
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| 16:41.01 | nevyn | EdibleText: samba's tools can adminster remote windows servers |
| 16:41.45 | cplx | Starting web server: apache failed - can anyone suggest what could be happening here? |
| 16:41.58 | teknoprep | hey streuner_ maby debian made it a service.. try.. /etc/init.d/cacti start or cactid start |
| 16:41.58 | LinuxMafia | all : does echo "\0x4B\0x45\0x59\0x00\0x00" >key , will write "4B 45 59 00 00" as hexadecimal into key? |
| 16:42.02 | nevyn | EdibleText: combined with bash they're actually extremely powerful. |
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| 16:42.24 | greycat | LinuxMafia: echo -e |
| 16:42.25 | streuner_ | teknoprep: its different i have to read some docs... |
| 16:42.49 | LinuxMafia | greycat: thanks |
| 16:42.52 | EdibleText | nevyn, i can dig it. I made a point to not use a windows server for anything important. ;) |
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| 16:43.11 | EdibleText | nevyn, set up a windows domain samba style |
| 16:43.27 | nevyn | EdibleText: with samba 4 you are currently able to use a windows XP box with the 2k3 server snapins to administer users and groups using AD users and groups |
| 16:43.28 | teknoprep | wtf |
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| 16:43.41 | Spizzo | so usually when i setup a windows based mahcine on our company netowkr, i add it to the domain... How would the process differ if i were using this machine and adding it to the domain? ... the IP addresses are assigned dynamically... windows based DHCP server... |
| 16:43.43 | teknoprep | EdibleText yeah thats really good idea in the business |
| 16:43.47 | teknoprep | environment |
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| 16:44.02 | cplx | Starting web server: apache failed - can anyone suggest what could be happening here? |
| 16:44.04 | EdibleText | nevyn, samba 4 ... where the hell have I been ... I just warming up to 3 |
| 16:44.07 | nevyn | Spizzo: you join it to the domain manually. |
| 16:44.19 | nevyn | EdibleText: samba 4 is droolworthy |
| 16:44.24 | Petro | How do I permanently change the language id? (ie en_FR => en_US) |
| 16:44.26 | nevyn | EdibleText: full AD support... |
| 16:44.29 | Spizzo | is there a document that goes through the process? |
| 16:44.34 | nevyn | Spizzo: sure. |
| 16:44.37 | teknoprep | wtf |
| 16:44.43 | teknoprep | FULL AD SUPPORT !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:44.46 | EdibleText | teknoprep, yeah I think so. easier to admin many-odd servers and offices.. |
| 16:44.47 | teknoprep | can it do gpo |
| 16:44.48 | stew | Petro: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:44.49 | Spizzo | hmm im on the samba website... seems only version 3 is out? |
| 16:44.54 | nevyn | teknoprep: I believe so. |
| 16:44.57 | teknoprep | wtf |
| 16:45.02 | teknoprep | ou's and gpo's for free |
| 16:45.08 | nevyn | ou's certainly |
| 16:45.10 | teknoprep | what about all the new encryption |
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| 16:45.15 | cplx | Starting web server: apache failed - can anyone suggest what could be happening here? |
| 16:45.17 | EdibleText | nevyn, nice.. |
| 16:45.21 | teknoprep | and Native Mode |
| 16:45.26 | Spizzo | i never understood the difference between OU's and sites |
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| 16:45.27 | greycat | !tell cplx about repeat |
| 16:45.33 | cplx | .. |
| 16:45.33 | teknoprep | sites is the old way |
| 16:45.36 | teknoprep | OU's is the new way |
| 16:45.40 | nevyn | teknoprep: what's really cool.. is in single process mode at lca tridge said.. 16k of core per domain logon. |
| 16:45.44 | teknoprep | sites are complicated and can get out of control |
| 16:45.59 | nevyn | that means you can have an AD PDC on a netgear router ;) |
| 16:46.05 | teknoprep | lol |
| 16:46.08 | teknoprep | HAHAHA |
| 16:46.20 | teknoprep | are the netgear routers using linux now |
| 16:46.27 | teknoprep | i new the Linksys ones were |
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| 16:46.56 | nevyn | teknoprep: but seriously think of a device like a netgear with two disk sleds to store data on.. using raid1 |
| 16:46.58 | teknoprep | you would still have to have a storage server mounted somewhere else other then the netgear router to store the new stuff |
| 16:47.10 | Spizzo | so nev... where can i find this document on adding the computer to the domain manually.. the only thing im afraid of is making sure that the DHCP server will never start as I dont want to bring my network down |
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| 16:47.13 | teknoprep | nfs mounts w0ot |
| 16:47.17 | teknoprep | for your os |
| 16:47.26 | nevyn | Spizzo: it won't start unless you install it. |
| 16:47.39 | Spizzo | i see |
| 16:47.50 | teknoprep | wtf |
| 16:47.54 | teknoprep | kdm won't start |
| 16:47.55 | cleit0n | hi, this is one patch for slmodem run in 2.6.10+ http://www.reactivated.net/patches/slmodem/2.9.10/pci-workaround.patch |
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| 16:47.59 | teknoprep | WTF this is so gay |
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| 16:48.04 | nevyn | Spizzo: do you want to add it to the AD or to the nt4 domain? |
| 16:48.11 | nevyn | teknoprep: ? |
| 16:48.16 | teknoprep | nvm |
| 16:48.18 | Spizzo | hmm |
| 16:48.19 | teknoprep | i know what i did wrong |
| 16:48.19 | simonrvn | @tell teknoprep -about gay |
| 16:48.22 | Spizzo | whats both processes? |
| 16:48.31 | nevyn | the AD process is kinda complicated. |
| 16:48.32 | teknoprep | i told everyone already i love the cock |
| 16:48.44 | teknoprep | its like a black person saying nigga |
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| 16:49.00 | teknoprep | a gay person can say fag and there is not recourse on that action |
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| 16:49.22 | teknoprep | lol |
| 16:49.32 | teknoprep | that so made everyone shut up |
| 16:49.41 | stew | unfortunately it didn't |
| 16:49.42 | Spizzo | how about the other process |
| 16:49.43 | valdyn | cleit0n: youre using alsa for your slmodem? |
| 16:49.50 | Spizzo | just joining the a domain |
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| 16:50.10 | nevyn | http://au1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ |
| 16:50.16 | cleit0n | valdyn: slmodem here dont run in kernel 2.6.11 |
| 16:50.23 | teknoprep | hey |
| 16:50.24 | freedom | valdyn: i use alsa |
| 16:50.26 | teknoprep | samba 4 isn't out yet |
| 16:50.26 | valdyn | cleit0n: use the alsa driver |
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| 16:50.56 | cleit0n | valdyn: alsa for modem smartlink |
| 16:51.05 | simonrvn | teknoprep: usually when someone says that, it's a fricking homophobe. |
| 16:51.08 | valdyn | cleit0n: yes |
| 16:51.16 | Spizzo | ill have a long read of that document |
| 16:51.19 | Spizzo | thanks nev |
| 16:51.20 | cleit0n | valdyn: how... |
| 16:51.26 | Spizzo | and thanks guys for the chat |
| 16:51.42 | Spizzo | i better get some sleep as i have work early tomorrow :) |
| 16:51.44 | valdyn | cleit0n: for alsa its just a soundcard, for the sl-modem-daemon is a small change in its config file |
| 16:51.47 | Spizzo | cya guys and best of luck |
| 16:51.50 | nevyn | Spizzo: samba's only part |
| 16:51.54 | nevyn | of the solution for you tho. |
| 16:51.54 | Spizzo | yeah? |
| 16:51.54 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 16:51.55 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 16:51.56 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 16:52.01 | Spizzo | i see |
| 16:52.06 | Spizzo | whats the other part? |
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| 16:52.22 | nevyn | Spizzo: it handles interaction with windows... but I'm sure there's other stuff that you do. |
| 16:52.24 | toad_ | login_sentry sounds really nice |
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| 16:52.40 | simonrvn | @dict faffing |
| 16:52.42 | drasko | hi all. Which is better to use - apt-get or aptitude? |
| 16:52.43 | ravenbird | could not find definition for faffing |
| 16:52.46 | cleit0n | valdyn: here run alsa in sound card, my sound card is snd-via82xx |
| 16:52.47 | simonrvn | @dict faff |
| 16:52.49 | ravenbird | could not find definition for faff |
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| 16:52.52 | exerd | how do i unpack .zip files? |
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| 16:52.56 | greycat | exerd: unzip |
| 16:52.57 | nevyn | Spizzo: oh.. and mail could be a little hairy if you have an exchange server and are required to use it. |
| 16:53.05 | Spizzo | we have a lotus server |
| 16:53.09 | mwilson | Hm, where's wyzard when you want him... |
| 16:53.11 | Spizzo | but i dont want it for main |
| 16:53.17 | Spizzo | just troubleshooting the network |
| 16:53.17 | valdyn | cleit0n: the driver for your slmodem is snd-intel8x0m |
| 16:53.23 | simonrvn | ugh, exchange... |
| 16:53.23 | nevyn | ok. |
| 16:53.25 | Spizzo | so as long as i can join the domain |
| 16:53.27 | exerd | unzip: cannot find zipfile directory in one of matrixflux.zip or |
| 16:53.28 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.30 | Spizzo | im all good |
| 16:53.38 | greycat | exerd: file matrix*.zip |
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| 16:53.48 | nevyn | Spizzo: think of linux as win2k3 rather than XP :) |
| 16:53.54 | cleit0n | valdyn: and how i run this and configure |
| 16:53.59 | Spizzo | yeah hehe |
| 16:54.00 | exerd | greycat, then? |
| 16:54.08 | greycat | exerd: then tell us what it *said*. |
| 16:54.12 | oguz | streuner_, hi, i formated the usb flash disk under windows with fat32 format but now when i try to mount it |
| 16:54.14 | Spizzo | well if i dont need to interact with shares, etc |
| 16:54.15 | exerd | matrixflux.zip: HTML document text |
| 16:54.19 | oguz | streuner_, it says: mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 16:54.21 | Spizzo | can i still join the domain without samba? |
| 16:54.24 | greycat | exerd: problem solved. |
| 16:54.26 | valdyn | cleit0n: if you installed alsa properly, then its probably already loaded |
| 16:54.29 | nevyn | Spizzo: no. |
| 16:54.43 | gazzu | how to auto-update ip address in dyndns ? |
| 16:54.44 | valdyn | cleit0n: try modprobe snd-intel8x0m anyway |
| 16:54.51 | nevyn | but you don't need to join the domain to mount shares.. |
| 16:55.05 | nevyn | domain only gives you Single sign on. |
| 16:55.12 | oguz | streuner_, is there a way to mount it now? |
| 16:55.29 | Spizzo | i see |
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| 16:55.31 | nevyn | and ability to SHARE resources to domain users |
| 16:55.36 | nevyn | from the linux box. |
| 16:55.36 | toad_ | thanks all |
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| 16:55.42 | cleit0n | valdyn: Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. |
| 16:55.45 | cleit0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.54 | simonrvn | nevyn: i'm aiming for SSO, without the samba (no winbloze clients on this net) |
| 16:55.58 | Spizzo | so i need samba to logon to the domain and also add the laptop to the domain as well |
| 16:56.01 | EdibleText | oguz, are you sure its /dev/sda1? after you plug it in run dmesg to see |
| 16:56.16 | exerd | then how do i unpack tar.gz files? |
| 16:56.28 | EdibleText | Spizzo, yess an d you need to have the credentials to do so |
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| 16:56.51 | Spizzo | yes i can get those details |
| 16:57.06 | nevyn | Spizzo: there's two halves to samba |
| 16:57.17 | nevyn | a client half... for connecting to shares... |
| 16:57.20 | oguz | EdibleText, ok it should be sda not it works thanx, i can see the file, and there is no bad block indeed, i dont know why it said in that way |
| 16:57.27 | greycat | exerd: if it's still an HTML document because you're trying to download a hyperlinked .tar.gz or .zip file using a CLI tool from a web server that wants you to use a browser that's full of exploits so they can spam you, then it won't matter. |
| 16:57.31 | nevyn | and a server half for serving shares. |
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| 16:57.41 | nevyn | Spizzo: you probably only want the client half. |
| 16:58.02 | simonrvn | use a text browser that doesn't run javascript or css... ;) |
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| 16:58.11 | Spizzo | so what what i can see here |
| 16:58.16 | Spizzo | i have to creat a trust account |
| 16:58.17 | teknoprep | starting to like gentoo .. eh.. its not that bad |
| 16:58.22 | teknoprep | i mean debian |
| 16:58.22 | Spizzo | then a user as my domain name |
| 16:58.23 | teknoprep | lol |
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| 16:58.30 | conner | Anybody have expereince with twinview in sarge? |
| 16:58.31 | Spizzo | i mean domain logon name |
| 16:58.37 | teknoprep | things do just work in it tho |
| 16:58.57 | nevyn | Spizzo: that's for serving resource from the linux machine tho. |
| 16:58.58 | cleit0n | valdyn: 0000:00:09.0 Modem: Smart Link Ltd.: Unknown device 8800 (rev 02) |
| 16:58.59 | simonrvn | @lart fricking M$ and their confusing use of the word "domain" |
| 16:59.00 | nevyn | that's what I mean.. |
| 16:59.01 | tvn | conner: twinview is nvidia's specific ? |
| 16:59.16 | EdibleText | simonrvn, Word... |
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| 16:59.24 | teknoprep | yeah.. no more "real" domains in AD |
| 16:59.43 | nevyn | so that when you connect to the linux box from a windows box there's a mapping for .... your domain_id to a local user id on linux |
| 16:59.51 | valdyn | cleit0n: paste output of lsmod somewhere ( not here ) |
| 16:59.53 | Spizzo | i see |
| 17:00.01 | Spizzo | i have aplay a round with it the next week or so |
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| 17:00.04 | drasko | hi all. Which is better to use - apt-get or aptitude? |
| 17:00.05 | Spizzo | :) |
| 17:00.08 | Spizzo | thanks anyhow guys |
| 17:00.12 | simonrvn | @better |
| 17:00.12 | ravenbird | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 17:00.13 | Spizzo | if anyone of you are from australia |
| 17:00.17 | Spizzo | time to get osme sleep hey |
| 17:00.20 | Spizzo | !! |
| 17:00.20 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 17:00.22 | teknoprep | is bluetooth comming along in Linux |
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| 17:00.46 | EdibleText | didnt bluetooth come and go ....? ;) |
| 17:00.55 | teknoprep | i like bluetooth |
| 17:00.57 | conner | Yes \ |
| 17:01.02 | teknoprep | bluetooth devices are nice |
| 17:01.09 | cplx | Starting web server: apache failed - can anyone suggest what could be happening here? |
| 17:01.14 | teknoprep | they need to just make wireless USB |
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| 17:01.26 | cleit0n | valdyn: query |
| 17:01.45 | conner | twinview seems to be woring sort of but its cloning displays and not extending them |
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| 17:04.22 | valdyn | !tell cleit0n about paste |
| 17:04.37 | conner | tvn do you have any experience with it? |
| 17:04.43 | valdyn | cleit0n: im eating now, ill have a look in a few.. |
| 17:04.53 | teknoprep | i have never been able to succefully make a debian kernel ..lol.. i can do a make && make modules_install.. but i can not seem to get it to work to make a .deb |
| 17:04.57 | teknoprep | bleh |
| 17:05.08 | simonrvn | make doesn't make .debs |
| 17:05.14 | teknoprep | i know that |
| 17:05.19 | teknoprep | that kpackage thing does |
| 17:05.23 | EdibleText | !tell teknoprep about kp |
| 17:05.26 | simonrvn | make-kpkg |
| 17:05.32 | teknoprep | yeah |
| 17:05.49 | cleit0n | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/111 |
| 17:05.52 | conner | hey teknoprep I've got a great website tutorial on the subject |
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| 17:05.58 | teknoprep | k00 |
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| 17:06.51 | teknoprep | link it lol.. i could try and search for it .. but that may take a long time |
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| 17:07.29 | conner | teknoprep check out http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
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| 17:08.03 | nevyn | teknoprep: kernel-package is the thing you need to install btw |
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| 17:11.02 | cleit0n | any help with smartlink modem in kernel 2.6.11 |
| 17:11.05 | LuPuZ | What bootloader is recommended for debian? Grub or Lilo? |
| 17:11.38 | valdyn | cleit0n: slamr is that slmodem driver? remove it first, then try modprobe snd-intel8x0m |
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| 17:11.44 | simonrvn | LuPuZ: the one you're usng |
| 17:11.45 | abrotman | LuPuZ: whichever you're more comfortable with |
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| 17:11.53 | abrotman | !slmodem |
| 17:11.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, slmodem is http://www.smlink.com/main/down/ |
| 17:11.57 | K_Dallas | LuPuZ, unless you want something exceptional, the default is all right |
| 17:12.00 | abrotman | cleit0n: ^^ |
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| 17:12.12 | cleit0n | valdyn: ok, i will disconect here |
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| 17:12.13 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 17:12.16 | abrotman | it's not there anymore |
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| 17:13.00 | abrotman | !slmodem =~ s#http://www.smlink.com/main/down/#http://www.smlink.com/content.aspx?id=132# |
| 17:13.00 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
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| 17:13.20 | simonrvn | ugh, asp |
| 17:13.29 | abrotman | i didn't write the page |
| 17:13.32 | plugwash | it was announced that as of the time of the freeze there would be security support for sarge yet the recent alerts have made no mention of sarge |
| 17:13.36 | plugwash | whats going on? |
| 17:13.39 | simonrvn | i know :) |
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| 17:14.04 | abrotman | plugwash: send an email to debian-security and ask ? |
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| 17:14.45 | valdyn | !info squid sarge |
| 17:14.53 | dpkg | squid: (Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache)), section web, is optional. Version: 2.5.9-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 747 kB, Installed size: 2020 kB |
| 17:14.58 | conner | teknoprep did you check out that page? |
| 17:15.20 | valdyn | !info smail sarge |
| 17:15.26 | abrotman | plugwash: i was also wondering .. but alas .. i'm too lazy :) |
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| 17:15.59 | tbbw^ | hello |
| 17:16.09 | valdyn | plugwash: the 2 recent bugs dont affect sarge.. |
| 17:16.24 | abrotman | valdyn: how does the xfree bug affect woody/sid and not sarge? |
| 17:16.36 | tbbw^ | anyone know if there is that nvidia oneliner thing for kernel 2.6.11 ? |
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| 17:16.59 | tbbw^ | E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.11 <- when i do the apt-get thing dkpg bot told me to |
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| 17:17.14 | valdyn | abrotman: i dont see no xfree bug, sec |
| 17:17.16 | tbbw^ | but i got the kernel source so can i skip that kernel header thing? |
| 17:17.20 | rj_ | debian's apache2 is so fsking scewey |
| 17:17.23 | plugwash | valdyn don't effect as in the package isn't in sarge? |
| 17:17.25 | abrotman | valdyn: http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-723 |
| 17:17.42 | simonrvn | [SECURITY] [DSA 723-1] New XFree86 packages fix arbitrary code execution |
| 17:17.43 | plugwash | or the sarge version happens to be ivulnerable |
| 17:18.01 | simonrvn | sub to d-sec-ann already |
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| 17:18.41 | teknoprep | how is debian on x64 systems |
| 17:18.41 | abrotman | x86-64 ? |
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| 17:18.41 | teknoprep | yeah |
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| 17:18.47 | valdyn | plugwash: as its been fixed in sid and that fix being propagated to sarge before the freeze, im yet checking the xfree one though |
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| 17:18.49 | abrotman | teknoprep: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 17:18.51 | teknoprep | not the intel64 but amd64 |
| 17:18.51 | simonrvn | tekkah: see the alioth site for amd64 |
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| 17:18.53 | Danar | wtf @ "(%:~)- whoami |
| 17:18.53 | Danar | whoami: cannot find username for UID ####" |
| 17:19.09 | abrotman | valdyn: same version of xlibs is in both sarge and sid |
| 17:19.12 | teknoprep | yeah put tekn before you complete my name |
| 17:19.14 | valdyn | plugwash: ok, 723 affects sarge, 722 and 721 doesnt |
| 17:19.15 | teknoprep | hehe |
| 17:19.26 | valdyn | abrotman: i didnt see 723 first |
| 17:19.49 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 17:19.49 | plugwash | teknoprep iirc amd64 is not in the official archive yet but they are doing a semi-official release of sarge |
| 17:19.49 | teknoprep | nice |
| 17:19.52 | teknoprep | thinking about running my home gamming machine with linux |
| 17:19.56 | valdyn | abrotman: translation is lagging a little behind |
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| 17:19.58 | debianfreak | woo hoo! i'm on a pa64. |
| 17:20.00 | teknoprep | since i play WoW and it runs on linux with powerplay |
| 17:20.04 | conner | anybody doing a dual head desktop |
| 17:20.05 | conner | ? |
| 17:20.08 | teknoprep | linux64 would be nice |
| 17:20.15 | abrotman | valdyn: oh o |
| 17:20.18 | teknoprep | does linux support SLI yet |
| 17:20.23 | teknoprep | with dual video cards |
| 17:20.37 | simonrvn | it's an unoffical release, but they're doing a full release for sarge on amd64. dunno what's going on for ppc64 |
| 17:20.37 | conner | Um one video card |
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| 17:20.51 | teknoprep | yeah 2 video cards raid 0 pretty much |
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| 17:21.08 | teknoprep | act as one with SLI.. 2 x pci-e 6800gt's |
| 17:21.11 | tbbw^ | anyone know what package i needed to add when i upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel in sarge? ( depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented ) |
| 17:21.19 | debianfreak | PA RISC POWERED! |
| 17:21.22 | Danar | what could cause that? |
| 17:21.29 | valdyn | !qm_modules |
| 17:21.30 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 17:21.38 | tbbw^ | ty |
| 17:21.54 | Danar | anyone? |
| 17:22.17 | cahoot | Danar: reusing a setup from another distro? |
| 17:22.30 | abrotman | tbbw^: module-init-tools or whatever it is |
| 17:22.32 | Danar | uh, this just happened recently |
| 17:22.39 | Danar | like in the past couple hours |
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| 17:23.14 | IDC | if i have mysql-server-4.0 insatalled,and i want to upgrade to 4.1,simply apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 ? |
| 17:23.16 | abrotman | dying HDD ? |
| 17:23.22 | teknoprep | here is a question for you guys.. i have been looking for this for a long time.. bsd has pfsync to sync connection tracking table over mutlipt firewall's and carp to have same ip over many servers to provide a solution for firewall load balancing.. is there a way to sync the connection tracking with IPTABLES |
| 17:23.29 | abrotman | IDC: apt-cache search mysql server |
| 17:23.34 | Danar | the only thing i've done is edit the passwd file... but i didn't touch my user account |
| 17:23.36 | exerd | how do i know if i use sarge O_o cant remeber |
| 17:23.37 | IDC | i done that,but now i do dpkg -l mysql-server |
| 17:23.45 | abrotman | teknoprep: netfilter.org or ask #iptables |
| 17:23.52 | IDC | rc mysql-server 4.0.24-5 mysql database server binaries |
| 17:23.58 | abrotman | exerd: look at your sources |
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| 17:24.08 | abrotman | IDC: is mysql 4.1 in your version of debian? |
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| 17:24.10 | IDC | meatime -> ii mysql-server-4 4.1.11-1 mysql database server binaries |
| 17:24.11 | kullanici | hi.. |
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| 17:24.21 | Danar | i added /sbin/nologin to the nobody account |
| 17:24.22 | mwilson | IDC: Yes, so? |
| 17:24.24 | Danar | that's it |
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| 17:24.33 | kullanici | i added bttv to /etc/modules and i added "options bttv card=62 tuner=5" line to /etc/modules.conf |
| 17:24.33 | exerd | abrotman, deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 17:24.33 | exerd | deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 17:24.41 | IDC | so .. i think 4.0 is still remaining somewhere in the system ? |
| 17:24.46 | neale | um |
| 17:24.51 | kullanici | but debian don't start bttv automaticly |
| 17:24.52 | abrotman | exerd: that's sid |
| 17:24.54 | mwilson | IDC: You'd be wrong. |
| 17:24.55 | kullanici | what should i do ? |
| 17:24.58 | Danar | any ideas? |
| 17:25.08 | exerd | tnx |
| 17:25.12 | IDC | mwilson, but dpkg does find it :( |
| 17:25.21 | mwilson | IDC: Except that it doesn't, of course. |
| 17:25.30 | cahoot | Danar: damaged the file when editing |
| 17:25.43 | Danar | cahoot: how? |
| 17:25.51 | IDC | mwilson, why so ? |
| 17:25.54 | abrotman | IDC: do you know the difference between 'rc' and 'ii' ? |
| 17:25.55 | Danar | i used vim, and all i did was add to the end of that line |
| 17:26.01 | neale | I have found a remote exploit in a debian package in testing and unstable. It requires an upstream fix, and the author has asked me not to report it anywhere until he's had time to fix it. However, I know debian's near release. What should I do? |
| 17:26.08 | IDC | abrotman, ii means its properly been installed |
| 17:26.17 | IDC | no idea about 'rc' though |
| 17:26.25 | abrotman | guess you sohuld find out what that means then :) |
| 17:26.28 | exerd | does deb http://www.hrw.one.pl/apt/ sid/ work to have in my sources or do i have to modify? |
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| 17:26.37 | mwilson | IDC: dpkg's listing has column headers for a reason. |
| 17:26.58 | Danar | cahoot: before it was "nobody:x:####:####:nobody:/home/nobody:" and now it's "nobody:x:####:####:nobody:/home/nobody:/sbin/nologin" |
| 17:27.07 | kullanici | anyone help me please? |
| 17:27.16 | IDC | and i regret now that i shouldn't have upgraded to 4.1 cuz now i m reading says phpmyadmin does support all version of mysql just except 4.1 |
| 17:27.29 | Danar | anything wrong with that? |
| 17:27.40 | simonrvn | IDC: dpkg -l | head -n 5 |
| 17:27.58 | smhar | hi again.. |
| 17:28.15 | IDC | ? |
| 17:28.35 | smhar | anybody has an alcatel usb switch |
| 17:28.40 | IDC | head：options needs -- n |
| 17:28.45 | smhar | adsl/router |
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| 17:28.56 | Danar | anyone know what might cause this error? "whoami: cannot find username for UID ####" |
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| 17:29.46 | abrotman | Danar: dying hdd ? |
| 17:29.51 | mith | Danar: user doesn't exist, your /etc/passwd is fucked/malformed, or you're using an external auth db that may also be fucked/malformed |
| 17:29.51 | mwilson | Danar: Geee, is this a quiz? Is there some reason the "error" doesn't mean exactly what it says? |
| 17:29.54 | conner | Danar did you try putting it back the way it was and see if that corrects the problem? |
| 17:29.57 | Danar | abrotman: shouldn't be... |
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| 17:30.20 | cleit0n | hi, after load alsa driver for modem snd-intel8x0m how i use modem |
| 17:30.25 | EdibleText | Danar, bad RAM ? |
| 17:30.35 | EdibleText | bad RAM does wierd things |
| 17:30.37 | Danar | mwilson: wtf? i have a problem, and i don't know what's causing it. i'm just trying to get some help |
| 17:30.56 | Danar | conner: not yet.. |
| 17:30.59 | smhar | hi I ahve a real problem.. I was checking some configuration options in the alcatel and now I cannot acces the modem from one of the computers |
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| 17:31.07 | IDC | abrotman, oh, 'rc' here 'r' == uninstalled while 'c' = settings kept only ,right ? |
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| 17:31.11 | valdyn | cleit0n: did you edit the configuration of sl-modem-daemon to use alsa? |
| 17:31.16 | conner | EdibleText bad people do weird things |
| 17:31.28 | abrotman | !win IDC |
| 17:31.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, IDC! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 17:31.29 | Danar | conner: didn't work |
| 17:31.49 | Danar | i haven't logged out, or rebooted or anything |
| 17:31.50 | IDC | :) |
| 17:32.00 | Danar | i have no idea why it might start doing this all of a sudden |
| 17:32.02 | EdibleText | conner, weird people do bad things. Though their intentions may be good. |
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| 17:32.10 | cleit0n | valdyn: alsa load module in kernel image 2.6.11... and now, i dont know run |
| 17:32.17 | abrotman | conner: good people do weird things too :) |
| 17:32.24 | EdibleText | heh |
| 17:32.38 | smhar | I tried reseting the modem and changing the computer ip from dhcp to static but nothing work.. I can acces the modem from my other computer. |
| 17:32.41 | Danar | i hope it's not a hardware problem.. but if it were, wouldn't there be other symptoms? |
| 17:32.43 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.45 | jethro | can I use apache name based virtual hosting using 2 different address spaces? my www is in an RFC1918 network, with a dns resolving names as rfc1918 addresses (names for the named vhosts) and this www is accessed by people from the internet? can't get it to serve the appropriate files based on the requested url yet |
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| 17:32.57 | cleit0n | valdyn: how i configure this |
| 17:33.12 | EdibleText | Danar, magic smoke leakage in sever circumstances |
| 17:33.53 | conner | Danar I really think you have a bad line in the file. |
| 17:33.56 | doublehp | when could grub2 get released as v1.0 ? |
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| 17:34.04 | valdyn | cleit0n: is sl-modem-daemon installed? |
| 17:34.04 | abrotman | jethro: not SSL right ? |
| 17:34.05 | Danar | conner: i put it back. didn't work |
| 17:34.10 | jethro | abrotman: not on this one |
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| 17:34.11 | conner | Try commenting out that line momentarily |
| 17:34.13 | abrotman | doublehp: ask #grub ? |
| 17:34.16 | Danar | conner: and i didn't even touch that line |
| 17:34.20 | jethro | abrotman: I have an ssl one, but without nat :) |
| 17:34.25 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 17:34.25 | Danar | the line my user is on that is |
| 17:34.26 | cleit0n | valdyn: yes i install with apt |
| 17:34.56 | conner | No I mean comment out the line you were trying to change |
| 17:34.58 | Danar | the _only_ thing i did to /etc/passwd was add /sbin/nologin to the end of the nobody line |
| 17:35.22 | Danar | conner: if that line were the problem, then wouldn't putting it back how it was fix it? |
| 17:35.23 | conner | try commentting # out the nobody line for a moment |
| 17:35.23 | jethro | I ll just use mod_rewrite or an equivalent and map foo.ebat.org to ebaT.org/~foo, at least userdir works as intended :p |
| 17:36.00 | conner | True however if there is something you are not noticing it woul be on that line. |
| 17:36.05 | Danar | conner: that doesn't work either |
| 17:36.15 | conner | Hmmm |
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| 17:36.18 | greycat | you can't put comments in /etc/passwd. |
| 17:36.24 | wide_awake | Hello |
| 17:36.30 | abrotman | jethro: sadly .. did you ask #apache ? |
| 17:36.37 | jethro | I just did :) |
| 17:36.39 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 17:36.53 | wide_awake | Does anyone know where I can find a working version of the amd64 netinst iso for sarge? |
| 17:37.13 | valdyn | cleit0n: /usr/share/doc/sl-modem-daemon/README.Debian |
| 17:37.20 | Danar | k, i tried removing that line entirely. didn't work |
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| 17:37.29 | abrotman | wide_awake: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 17:37.41 | conner | greycat you sure about that, theres comments at the top of mine |
| 17:37.44 | wide_awake | abrotman, thanks |
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| 17:37.54 | Danar | there's no comments in mine... |
| 17:38.06 | smhar | I feel stuiped.. some of the things I did lately was to setup the firewall and it seems it is tight enough to stop the pings and telnet even to the modem |
| 17:38.17 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 17:38.23 | conner | Hmm danar don't know what to say |
| 17:38.24 | greycat | conner: um. |
| 17:38.28 | smhar | other than that.. everything is almost fine |
| 17:38.30 | valdyn | smhar: shorewall? |
| 17:38.31 | smhar | :-) |
| 17:38.40 | Danar | well it seems it's not the problem |
| 17:38.52 | smhar | valdyn: guarddog.. but I will try shorewall as well |
| 17:39.01 | cleit0n | valdyn: ok thaks, i reboot to testing |
| 17:39.07 | Danar | the only thing i changed was the nobody account, but it's talking about my main user account |
| 17:39.10 | valdyn | cleit0n: no |
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| 17:39.16 | valdyn | cleit0n: rebooting is useless |
| 17:39.20 | tekalpha | damn i hate xp sp2 |
| 17:39.27 | wide_awake | abrotman, I get a 404 on the link I got from dpkg... |
| 17:39.40 | smhar | now I have to find how to open some ports from the firewall as well as the modem's firewall to get things like amule working |
| 17:39.47 | abrotman | tekalpha: obviously your problem is living in Reading |
| 17:39.49 | cleit0n | valdyn: i will reboot to use 2.6.11, now i 2.4.26 |
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| 17:40.00 | valdyn | cleit0n: ok, alright |
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| 17:40.04 | abrotman | wide_awake: which link? |
| 17:40.06 | valdyn | cleit0n: which device did you enter? |
| 17:40.06 | cleit0n | quit |
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| 17:40.18 | wide_awake | abrotman, http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ |
| 17:40.25 | cleit0n | valdyn: dont understand |
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| 17:40.40 | valdyn | cleit0n: didnt you read that README? |
| 17:40.40 | smhar | bye for now.. neet to connect from my debian box not my wife's mandrake one ;-) |
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| 17:40.47 | abrotman | wide_awake: then go read the HOWTO .. and look for the link in there .. OR .. ask #debian-amd64 |
| 17:40.56 | cleit0n | valdyn: yes.. but my inglish is low |
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| 17:41.07 | Oryn | any ops about? |
| 17:41.10 | cleit0n | valdyn: i try detect |
| 17:41.12 | wide_awake | abrotman, thx again |
| 17:41.14 | abrotman | jeez .. that's a qotd i think |
| 17:41.19 | abrotman | Oryn: why? |
| 17:41.33 | valdyn | cleit0n: alright |
| 17:41.38 | Oryn | I got a spambot p/m'ing me# |
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| 17:41.55 | cleit0n | valdyn: how i put manual 0000:00:09.0 Modem: Smart Link Ltd.: Unknown device 8800 (rev 02) |
| 17:42.01 | abrotman | !ops eXpReSs onjoin spam |
| 17:42.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: eXpReSs onjoin spam |
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| 17:42.19 | valdyn | cleit0n: oh |
| 17:42.20 | Oryn | thx abrotman :) |
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| 17:42.30 | newbie_ | how can I setup simple SFTP on my debian box? |
| 17:42.34 | abrotman | !beer caphuso |
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| 17:43.44 | valdyn | cleit0n: you edit /etc/default/sl-modem-daemon and do what the readme sais: set SLMODEMD_DEVICE=hw:1 instead of slamr0 |
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| 17:44.11 | imka | how do i add sbin to my users path? |
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| 17:44.46 | imka | that won't give the user root privilieges, right? i just want my user to be able to execute one command in sbin |
| 17:44.51 | stranger | hi.. I am back |
| 17:45.06 | newbie_ | streuner: you there? |
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| 17:45.48 | greycat | !wikifaq imka DotFiles |
| 17:45.49 | dpkg | imka: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:46.00 | imka | thanks |
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| 17:47.01 | newbie_ | hi everybody. can someone direct me to a tutorial for setting up ftp/ssh on my linux box? |
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| 17:47.45 | abrotman | setting up to do what? |
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| 17:48.10 | newbie_ | abrotman: I'd like to make it so certain users can ftp into my debian box for file transfers. |
| 17:48.19 | abrotman | why not use scp ? |
| 17:48.31 | joe|code | I want to perfom a net install of Sarge, is their a minimal iso available? |
| 17:48.34 | newbie_ | abrotman: I don't know what that is. |
| 17:48.37 | joe|code | nm I see it |
| 17:48.38 | abrotman | and why only certain users? .. and do they all have shell access ? |
| 17:48.58 | abrotman | newbie_: you know FTP is inherently insecure right ? |
| 17:49.09 | newbie_ | abrotman: I'd like to limit access to one user. |
| 17:49.27 | newbie_ | abrotman: yes, that's why I'd like to setup a secure ftp (over SSH or something) |
| 17:49.29 | abrotman | newbie_: i think proftpd can use a user file instead of /etc/passwd |
| 17:49.36 | wide_awake | joe|code, where'd you find it? |
| 17:49.43 | abrotman | newbie_: but they all have ssh access ? |
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| 17:50.00 | newbie_ | abrotman: I think so. |
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| 17:50.31 | abrotman | newbie_: so why not just tell the one user you want to have access to use scp ? |
| 17:50.42 | abrotman | obviously they can all use it already |
| 17:50.50 | bltzfsck | what's the best tool for installing a printer? |
| 17:51.01 | Danar | what kind of problems can this cause? |
| 17:51.03 | bltzfsck | it's an hp photosmart on a usb port |
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| 17:51.14 | Danar | "whoami: cannot find username for UID ###" |
| 17:51.19 | newbie_ | abrotman: These ppl don't know shell commands. I'd like to configure so they can use an sftp client (SecureFX..etc) |
| 17:51.25 | ak70 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.27 | abrotman | newbie_: try filezilla |
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| 17:51.36 | ak70 | 2.10 |
| 17:51.51 | abrotman | teknoprep: your problem is still living in Reading |
| 17:51.54 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - is there a file like rc.local in debian that runs after everything else, useful for putting odd commands in? |
| 17:51.59 | bltzfsck | the gnome printer installer doesn't seem to work for me |
| 17:51.59 | caphuso | Super_Cat_Frog: no |
| 17:52.13 | abrotman | !tell Super_Cat_Frog about rc.local |
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| 17:52.33 | greycat | !wikifaq Super_Cat_Frog DotFiles |
| 17:52.34 | dpkg | Super_Cat_Frog: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:52.35 | thingfish | bltzfsck: I got mine working by using kcontrol. |
| 17:52.51 | greycat | Super_Cat_Frog: for boot time, read /etc/init.d/README or consider using rcconf |
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| 17:52.53 | bltzfsck | thingfish, i'll check 'er out |
| 17:53.00 | bltzfsck | thingfish, is your a usb? |
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| 17:53.12 | Danar | is there no one who can help me out? |
| 17:53.20 | thingfish | bltzfsck: no, it's samba shared. |
| 17:53.24 | Danar | :( |
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| 17:54.03 | ak70 | does anyone think that feature sucks? |
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| 17:54.18 | bltzfsck | thingfish, i'm not lucky with cups for some reason |
| 17:54.28 | abrotman | ak70: you might have more luck on irc.gnome.org |
| 17:54.40 | thingfish | bltzfsck: I sure have never had problems with cups. |
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| 17:55.09 | ak70 | they won't change that. |
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| 17:55.44 | ak70 | I am using experimental gnome in debian |
| 17:56.03 | ak70 | so I have to expect debian patch it |
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| 17:56.09 | nadav_ | with the command last, on the rows that start with 'reboot' what does the last columb mean? "(3+01:41)" ? |
| 17:56.09 | Danar | can anyone help me with this: "whoami: cannot find username for UID ####"? |
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| 17:56.47 | bltzfsck | thingfish, there's no driver listed for a photosmart printer. where do i get that? |
| 17:56.53 | greycat | Danar: man 5 passwd |
| 17:57.00 | greycat | Danar: man 3 getpwuid |
| 17:57.34 | abrotman | Danar: you should keep repeating that until the sun goes down |
| 17:57.36 | thingfish | bltzfsck: check the manufacturer's website. I believe there is a linux-specific website, too, maybe linuxprinting.org, maybe check there. |
| 17:57.48 | bltzfsck | thingfish, thx |
| 17:57.50 | abrotman | ak70: but it might just be a commmon setting you're missing |
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| 17:58.15 | Danar | abrotman: well users come and go |
| 17:58.15 | Scrufffy | !fr |
| 17:58.15 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 17:58.21 | Scrufffy | !de |
| 17:58.22 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 17:58.23 | exerd | how do i empty the trash with root rights? |
| 17:58.28 | ak70 | no, It never happens in gnome 2.8 |
| 17:58.46 | abrotman | ak70: have you considered the gnome developers changed it ? .. there is also #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 17:58.49 | TbbW^ | umm guys when i start X with Gdm my kbord dies... :/ |
| 17:58.54 | wye | can some one tell me where can i find out this kernel option: Root file system on NFS? |
| 17:59.03 | TbbW^ | anyone know what it might be? it works until x starts |
| 17:59.19 | ak70 | and any distro that use gnome 2.10 have this problem. |
| 17:59.28 | greycat | wye: less .config |
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| 17:59.46 | abrotman | ak70: then ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org ... |
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| 17:59.50 | Danar | greycat: i don't see how that helps |
| 18:00.01 | greycat | ak70: damned good reason not to use gnome 2.10, then, eh? |
| 18:00.03 | Danar | greycat: it just happened out of the blue |
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| 18:00.14 | greycat | Danar: things happen for *reasons*. |
| 18:00.23 | EdibleText | Danar, http://www.devchannel.org/devtoolschannel/03/10/24/2057246.shtml You may beable to glean some usful techniques for isolating your problem |
| 18:00.29 | Danar | greycat: yeah, but i haven't been able to determine a cause |
| 18:00.36 | Danar | EdibleText: thx |
| 18:00.58 | Danar | oy, strace? |
| 18:01.04 | wye | greycat, thanks i gonna try :) |
| 18:01.06 | Danar | that's a little advanced for me i think |
| 18:01.09 | greycat | Danar: grep $(id -u) /etc/passwd |
| 18:01.14 | EdibleText | yup. done pheer it.. |
| 18:01.40 | Danar | greycat: that returned the correct line... |
| 18:01.47 | crashbg | hi i have new usb tuner PixelView, lsusb says Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0573:4450 Zoran Co. Personal Media Division (Nogatech) PixelView PlayTv-USB PRO (PAL) |
| 18:02.00 | Danar | greycat: isn't that... odd? |
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| 18:02.08 | crashbg | i don't have /dev/video0 |
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| 18:02.24 | reagleBRKLN | is there anything like cpuz for linux? tell me the chip id, fsb speed, ram settings etc? |
| 18:02.24 | newbie_ | what's /usr/lib/sftp-server ? |
| 18:02.27 | greycat | Danar: perhaps you have corruption in the passwd file before that line. |
| 18:02.35 | greycat | Danar: it *will* stop reading /etc/passwd if it runs into a malformed line. |
| 18:02.48 | greycat | Danar: you may also want to look into getent(1) |
| 18:02.50 | abrotman | reagleBRKLN: /proc/ |
| 18:02.53 | Danar | greycat: any reason using vim to edit it could malform it? |
| 18:03.03 | greycat | Danar: you should ALWAYS be using vipw(8). |
| 18:03.05 | reagleBRKLN | abrotman, which one, cpu nor meminfo did not give me the data |
| 18:03.15 | Danar | oops |
| 18:03.26 | simonrvn | /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:03.30 | EdibleText | Danar, yeah misplaced ':qw' ;) |
| 18:03.41 | abrotman | reagleBRKLN: dunno about ram settings .. or why you would care |
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| 18:03.53 | abrotman | if it doesn't beep when it turns .. sounds good to me : |
| 18:03.54 | EdibleText | in insert mode |
| 18:03.54 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:03.54 | reagleBRKLN | because i want to make sure my memory is running at the right fsb |
| 18:03.55 | crashbg | does anyone know how to install it? i've recompilet the kernel with support for btvideo |
| 18:04.08 | abrotman | reagleBRKLN: maybe memtest ? |
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| 18:04.19 | abrotman | reagleBRKLN: did you try to apt-cache search ? |
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| 18:04.26 | Danar | greycat: i made an edit with vipw, but i still get the error |
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| 18:04.38 | Danar | green_earz: would vipw fix it if it were malformed somehow? |
| 18:04.45 | greycat | Danar: unlikely |
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| 18:04.55 | Danar | greycat: assuming it is malformed, how do i fix it? |
| 18:05.01 | greycat | Danar: use id or getent to test all the entries in the file, see where it breaks. |
| 18:05.10 | Danar | greycat: all i did was add /sbin/nologin to the end of the nobody line |
| 18:05.14 | qpee | hi, what could be wrong when an external hdd (ata/100, 250gb) using usb2.0 transfers at 171.16 kB/sec? ehci is loaded and it can be mounted under /dev/sda1, but even an `ls` takes ages |
| 18:05.17 | TbbW^ | plz anyone what may cause the kbord to die when i start XFree86 with gdm im sitting here with my butt in the trashcan ^^ |
| 18:05.28 | abrotman | taking a dump? |
| 18:05.30 | cahoot | Danar: look in /var/backups - might be lucky |
| 18:05.42 | greycat | Danar: while IFS=: read user crap; do id "$user"; done < /etc/passwd |
| 18:05.43 | TbbW^ | abrotman: lol almost ;) |
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| 18:06.23 | Danar | ? |
| 18:06.35 | greycat | Danar: % |
| 18:06.54 | Danar | i'm guessing i substitute 'crap' for something... |
| 18:07.02 | greycat | Danar: no. |
| 18:07.10 | greycat | run that line *as is*. |
| 18:07.25 | Danar | parse error near `do' |
| 18:07.46 | greycat | Danar: in bash. |
| 18:08.13 | Danar | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do' |
| 18:08.24 | caphuso | so much for "*as is*" |
| 18:08.32 | greycat | arc1:/usr/lib$ while IFS=: read user crap; do id "$user"; done < /etc/passwd |
| 18:08.32 | greycat | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 18:08.33 | greycat | ... |
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| 18:09.35 | Danar | :/ |
| 18:10.06 | IDC | Night,all :) |
| 18:10.08 | Danar | also, bash said "I have no name!" |
| 18:10.22 | greycat | "I have no name and I must scream"? |
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| 18:10.33 | Danar | no |
| 18:10.40 | caphuso | that's a good time to reattach a screen session with nethack messages enabled :) |
| 18:10.40 | cleit0n | valdyn: hey, dont work |
| 18:10.42 | cahoot | Danar: look in /var/backups - if you run sarge |
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| 18:10.56 | avatara | part |
| 18:10.59 | Danar | drwx------ 2 0 4.0K 2002-08-10 06:06 arpwatch/ |
| 18:10.59 | Danar | -rw-r--r-- 1 0 14K 2005-05-07 08:11 infodir.bak |
| 18:11.16 | Danar | i'm on testing |
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| 18:12.48 | Danar | any other ideas? |
| 18:12.54 | ircdevil | darn |
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| 18:13.38 | cleit0n | valdyn: you are here |
| 18:13.42 | Danar | :( |
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| 18:13.56 | ircdevil | i hate this word vs latex. word sux so very hard, and yet almost all publishers wants papers submitted in word format only - so that they may reformat the lot to latex. why-why-why? |
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| 18:14.07 | geemark | spontaneously, my SVN server (running via apache2 / SSL) stopped working - it returns "403 forbidden" without even asking for authentication, although I did not change anything - any ideas why? |
| 18:14.24 | EdibleText | !why? |
| 18:14.25 | dpkg | Because! |
| 18:14.43 | mon0 | hi, my x server worked just fine before, now i get the following errors when i try to startx -- (EE) I810(0) : Fail to allocate Overlay register space -- any ideas how to resolve this? i also get the following error msg when trying to startx -- xfOpenSerial : Cannot open device /dev/input/mice no such file or directory - ideas? |
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| 18:15.12 | ircdevil | anyone have an idea of how wordperfect actually works? is it based on mark-up or is that crap too? |
| 18:15.24 | reagleBRKLN | dropped off because memtest (userspace) hosted system |
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| 18:15.49 | LordFrith | markup. |
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| 18:16.04 | LordFrith | Something like markup, anyway. |
| 18:16.07 | reagleBRKLN | s/hosted/hosed/ |
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| 18:16.17 | Danar | :( |
| 18:16.18 | LordFrith | There use to be a setting which would allow you to see all the marks. |
| 18:16.21 | Danar | i have to go now |
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| 18:16.30 | Maeloc | hi |
| 18:16.41 | Danar | greycat: no other ideas? |
| 18:16.42 | ircdevil | hrm, did someone ever pack wordperfect for debian? corel linux was debian based, right? |
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| 18:17.11 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 18:17.11 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and a dozen sex-crazed weasels. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 18:17.30 | tabris|away | the old WP8 uses libc5 (aka don't use it). the WP10 for linux I never used but it used a customized WINE. |
| 18:17.42 | EdibleText | vegimite is key to that idea |
| 18:17.49 | Danar | greycat: gee. thanks. that was helpful. |
| 18:17.50 | tabris|away | I was a WP5.1 fanboi. still am really. |
| 18:17.50 | abrotman | reagleBRKLN: uhm .. yeah .. do that at boottime :) |
| 18:17.56 | cleit0n | hi, anyone help me with smart link in 2.6.11 |
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| 18:18.07 | ircdevil | tabris|away: yeah, those were the days |
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| 18:18.22 | greycat | Danar: I've given you THREE different man pages to read, as well as a sample command to test your passwd file. you've come back with NOTHING. |
| 18:18.29 | onre | yay, wp 5.1... the only word processor i can actually use |
| 18:18.35 | greycat | Danar: and you DARE to ask me if I have any other ideas?! |
| 18:18.43 | Danar | greycat: the man pages were no help. your command didn't work |
| 18:18.51 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 18:18.59 | caphuso | Danar: his command would have worked if you hadn't fucked it it up |
| 18:19.07 | EdibleText | Danar, the command works |
| 18:19.10 | Danar | caphuso: ? i copied and pasted it |
| 18:19.17 | Danar | he said 'as is' |
| 18:19.21 | greycat | I just FUCKING SHOWED YOU a real screen shot of that command running on a Debian box. It also ran unmodified on HP-UX. |
| 18:19.40 | Rawplayer | think of your heart |
| 18:19.45 | Danar | then maybe i have another problem, but i gave you the error message |
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| 18:20.42 | xophEr | Could someone build a deb-package of 'gnome-sensors-applet' (http://sensors-applet.sourceforge.net/) ? I would do it but lack the skills. |
| 18:20.51 | abrotman | isn't it already built? |
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| 18:21.00 | Danar | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do' |
| 18:21.08 | xophEr | abrotman, I could find it. If you can, Id be grateful :) |
| 18:21.09 | Danar | ^ that's what i get when i run that command |
| 18:21.18 | cleit0n | valdyn: men |
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| 18:21.25 | abrotman | xophEr: apt-get.org maybe ? |
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| 18:21.42 | EdibleText | Danar, what happens when you run 'id' |
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| 18:21.58 | Nolius | please, how to install kernel source for using ndiswrapper module |
| 18:22.00 | Nolius | ? |
| 18:22.01 | xophEr | abrotman, nope, wasnt on apt-get.org |
| 18:22.30 | caphuso | Danar: paste the exact command line you executed |
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| 18:23.12 | abrotman | xophEr: if you're really that bad .. you could try to alien the RPM |
| 18:23.18 | stew | xophEr: /msg dpkg itp |
| 18:23.44 | osis | hi i have problem with partiton table -> cfdisk says FATAL ERROR: bad logical partiton 8: enlarged logical partitions overlap; but anytinh else is OK, so can i repair this somehow without deleting partitons or sth like that? |
| 18:23.44 | stew | xophEr: err /msg dpkg rfp |
| 18:23.46 | xophEr | abrotman, tried it already :) didnt work, guess Ill have to debug my ./configure-output then |
| 18:23.52 | xophEr | stew, ok |
| 18:24.01 | abrotman | xophEr: see if someone already started owrk on it .. like stew suggested |
| 18:24.16 | xophEr | Ill check it out |
| 18:24.19 | Danar | EdibleText: id works fine.. |
| 18:24.26 | abrotman | xophEr: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=190901 .. like that ? |
| 18:24.44 | Danar | caphuso: sudo while IFS=: read user crap; do id "$user"; done </etc/passwd |
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| 18:24.57 | caphuso | Danar: you're so fucking that it hurts |
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| 18:25.03 | caphuso | (sic) |
| 18:25.13 | caphuso | Danar: greycat did *NOT* tell you to use sudo |
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| 18:25.42 | Danar | bash: /etc/passwd: Permission denied |
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| 18:25.52 | caphuso | there's your problem |
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| 18:25.52 | Danar | ^ that's why i used sudo |
| 18:25.54 | EdibleText | Danar, so 'su' |
| 18:25.58 | caphuso | you fucked up your /etc/passwd permission |
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| 18:26.16 | caphuso | chmod 644 /etc/passwd |
| 18:26.21 | caphuso | and now go away |
| 18:26.24 | caphuso | fast |
| 18:26.28 | Danar | ok |
| 18:26.32 | Danar | works from su |
| 18:26.39 | giwe | Anyone knows or recommends where to ask how can I dump the memory of a running process in Linux? |
| 18:26.42 | Danar | sorry |
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| 18:26.56 | LoRez | giwe: gdb source code |
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| 18:27.07 | tarzeau | someone play bub-n-bros.sf.net with me? |
| 18:27.09 | xophEr | abrotman, thats not the same applet I think.. |
| 18:27.18 | LoRez | tarzeau: who are you? |
| 18:27.19 | giwe | LoRez, the process is already running... I cannot restart it. |
| 18:27.23 | xophEr | This is the output I get when trying to ./configure : http://pastebin.ca/11297 |
| 18:27.23 | teknoprep | yeah kde3.4 is nice |
| 18:27.25 | teknoprep | i love it |
| 18:27.25 | LoRez | giwe: so? attach to it. |
| 18:27.29 | Danar | thank you |
| 18:27.34 | tarzeau | LoRez: who cares, but you play? |
| 18:27.51 | greycat | caphuso: yet another "I'm so clever Ima make me a umask 077 and no1 can read my filezes!!!" guy? |
| 18:27.57 | abrotman | xophEr: hrm .. ok .. you could do an RFP with that page .. then maybe someone will do it ... |
| 18:27.58 | LoRez | are you impersonating tarzeau? |
| 18:28.01 | caphuso | greycat: i think so too |
| 18:28.08 | caphuso | stupid wannabe sysadmins |
| 18:28.11 | abrotman | teknoprep: are you really in reading? |
| 18:28.11 | tarzeau | LoRez: i *am* tarzeau |
| 18:28.15 | teknoprep | yup |
| 18:28.16 | giwe | LoRez, this is new to me. I didn't know about this. What should I do just gdb the source file? How do I assing the PID? |
| 18:28.18 | greycat | caphuso: keep in mind I have him plonked, so I only see what you said to him |
| 18:28.24 | drac | xophEr: Install libpanelappletmm-2.6-dev |
| 18:28.27 | teknoprep | i work for the newspaper |
| 18:28.28 | LoRez | giwe: gdb -p $pid |
| 18:28.32 | abrotman | teknoprep: do you eat at sammy's steaks ? |
| 18:28.36 | teknoprep | lol |
| 18:28.37 | teknoprep | they suck |
| 18:28.45 | caphuso | greycat: 20:25 Danar> bash: /etc/passwd: Permission denied |
| 18:28.47 | abrotman | teknoprep: i lived on 10th and buttonwood |
| 18:28.49 | xophEr | drac, ok |
| 18:28.52 | teknoprep | HAHAH you bum |
| 18:28.53 | LoRez | tarzeau: clearly you're not because you're not identified ;) |
| 18:28.53 | greycat | caphuso: haha |
| 18:28.56 | xophEr | abrotman, Ill request it |
| 18:28.58 | caphuso | greycat: when he ran your while loop without sudo in front of it |
| 18:28.58 | giwe | LoRez, you got to be kidding :) I'll try. |
| 18:29.00 | abrotman | teknoprep: sammy's is yummy! |
| 18:29.02 | teknoprep | 10th and buttonwood is the ghetto |
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| 18:29.10 | abrotman | teknoprep: i lived there 10 years ago .. wasn't so bad then |
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| 18:29.15 | teknoprep | i live on 5th and Franklin |
| 18:29.17 | solemnwarning | any1 know how much more secure qmail is over postfix? |
| 18:29.18 | tarzeau | LoRez: now i am |
| 18:29.18 | greycat | caphuso: not that the sudo would affect the redirection, of course. |
| 18:29.29 | teknoprep | right by all the ugly ass hookers |
| 18:29.31 | greycat | no, any1 is a pretty stupid person. he doesn't know much. |
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| 18:29.37 | abrotman | teknoprep: yeah .. but really .. buttonwood wasn't so bad then .. now it's kind of scary |
| 18:29.42 | teknoprep | yup |
| 18:29.52 | solemnwarning | <_< |
| 18:29.55 | abrotman | teknoprep: i work in KoP :) |
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| 18:30.00 | solemnwarning | does anybody know how much more secure qmail is over postfix? |
| 18:30.03 | teknoprep | nice |
| 18:30.06 | abrotman | solemnwarning: qmail blows |
| 18:30.06 | solemnwarning | better? <_< |
| 18:30.06 | teknoprep | all the good jobs are there |
| 18:30.12 | lindi- | solemnwarning: are you aware that debian does not ship qmail? ;) |
| 18:30.14 | Ungy | solewarning pretty stupid question considering how many different watys you can set it up |
| 18:30.18 | solemnwarning | yeh |
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| 18:30.20 | greycat | !start an mta war |
| 18:30.20 | dpkg | exim is hard to configure |
| 18:30.21 | abrotman | lindi-: not in non-free anymore ? |
| 18:30.23 | teknoprep | i just got a job in Nashville TN .. 68k/yr . moving at the end of June |
| 18:30.34 | teknoprep | sendmail > * |
| 18:30.35 | lindi- | abrotman: oh, i don't consider non-free to be part of debian :/ |
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| 18:30.41 | abrotman | lindi-: i'm sorry |
| 18:30.47 | abrotman | teknoprep: hrm .. maybe i sohuld get a job there :) |
| 18:30.51 | solemnwarning | maybe i should try postfix |
| 18:30.52 | solemnwarning | lol |
| 18:30.54 | teknoprep | lol |
| 18:30.56 | qpee | sorry for reasking, but what could be wrong when an external hdd (ata/100, 250gb) using usb2.0 transfers at 171.16 kB/sec? ehci is loaded and it can be mounted under /dev/sda1, but even an `ls` takes ages. it's formatted with fat and mounted with vfat |
| 18:30.58 | greycat | abrotman: it's only in source code, and requires you to compile it. |
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| 18:30.59 | teknoprep | where |
| 18:31.05 | teknoprep | in nashville |
| 18:31.13 | greycat | abrotman: qmail-src is in non-free, but qmail (made from qmail-src by a command that qmail-src ships) is non-distributable. |
| 18:31.15 | abrotman | teknoprep: i meant at the paper .. i'd really like to live up near bernville if i could .. i realy like it up there |
| 18:31.18 | Ungy | solemnwarning www.workaround.org |
| 18:31.24 | teknoprep | someone make dpkg tell me about java install |
| 18:31.32 | giwe | LoRez, Yes, it looks it does it. One more question. Say there is a variable in main() myvariable. How can I display its value? I have alread kill -STOP the process. |
| 18:31.33 | abrotman | !tell teknoprep about java install |
| 18:31.36 | caphuso | teknoprep: /msg dpkg java install |
| 18:31.56 | teknoprep | wtf is dpkg |
| 18:31.57 | marduk | hi, i'm marduk from Chile........................ what is the debian channel in spanish ??? thenk you !!! ;-D |
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| 18:32.01 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:32.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:32.14 | abrotman | teknoprep: sadly .. i actually like reading :) |
| 18:32.17 | LoRez | giwe: if you have debug symbols compiled in, you should be able to print myvariable or some such. read some gdb docs ;) |
| 18:32.21 | teknoprep | HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 18:32.24 | exerd | how do i start firefox with a specific page? command line. |
| 18:32.29 | abrotman | teknoprep: well .. not the downtown nasty part |
| 18:32.30 | teknoprep | i can't HA enough for that statement |
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| 18:32.41 | teknoprep | hey |
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| 18:32.42 | abrotman | teknoprep: but wyomissing,etc .. nice enough |
| 18:32.45 | teknoprep | dpkg won't talk to me |
| 18:32.47 | teknoprep | no |
| 18:32.48 | Cope | anyone know how to get tptpd-hpa to log? Can't see anything in the manual... I'm trying to troubleshoot a pxe install. |
| 18:32.49 | teknoprep | they all suck |
| 18:32.54 | abrotman | !tell teknoprep about java install |
| 18:33.04 | teknoprep | wtf talk to me bitch |
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| 18:33.10 | abrotman | !tell teknoprep about java |
| 18:33.11 | giwe | LoRez, thanks this was already a great start. I may not have -g on it but lemme see. |
| 18:33.17 | abrotman | !tell teknoprep about install java |
| 18:33.17 | exerd | firefox http://www.firefox.org doesnt work |
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| 18:33.25 | abrotman | getfirefox.com ? |
| 18:33.26 | teknoprep | there we go |
| 18:33.28 | abrotman | mozilla.org ? |
| 18:33.40 | teknoprep | then like apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
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| 18:33.54 | teknoprep | www.firefox.com |
| 18:33.56 | exerd | i have mozilla but i want to start it with a specific page from command |
| 18:34.02 | teknoprep | sends you to getfirefox.com |
| 18:34.15 | teknoprep | google.com can also help you find a million links to getfirefox.com |
| 18:34.34 | teknoprep | and also.. wtf would we know anything about the idea of http://www.firefox.org being down |
| 18:34.37 | greycat | exerd: probably something like firefox -remote 'openURL(http://blah)' |
| 18:34.42 | greycat | exerd: ask the firefox or mozilla channels |
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| 18:35.16 | EdibleText | firecrotch = browser optimised for porn |
| 18:36.22 | takatumi | just plain firefox URL works. |
| 18:36.48 | ircdevil | does freenode publish the channel logs somewhere? |
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| 18:37.08 | Windpaw | ircdevil: Logs of what? |
| 18:37.14 | teknoprep | what we say |
| 18:37.15 | ircdevil | Windpaw: all the #channels |
| 18:37.16 | teknoprep | what else |
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| 18:37.18 | gtigene | What is the status of kernel 2.6 |
| 18:37.19 | newbie_ | abrotman: hi there. I installed filezilla and remote users can now connect and xfer files just like you said. THANKS! |
| 18:37.20 | tabris|away | ircdevil: they don't log... |
| 18:37.28 | abrotman | newbie_: yay |
| 18:37.29 | teknoprep | gtigene its out there |
| 18:37.31 | Windpaw | ircdevil: No, we don't log such information and discourage bots from logging/publicly showing it too |
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| 18:38.01 | teknoprep | hey abrotman how good are you with linux networking cisco stuff |
| 18:38.03 | ircdevil | Windpaw: is there a whitepaper on this? |
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| 18:38.13 | Windpaw | ircdevil: Probably not. |
| 18:38.19 | gtigene | How can I find out what problems there are with a particular version of the kernel such as 2.6? |
| 18:38.24 | abrotman | teknoprep: that doesn't even make sense :) |
| 18:38.36 | ircdevil | Windpaw: well, the discouragement must be stated somewhere - maybe even with some arguments :o) ? |
| 18:38.40 | abrotman | it's either linux networking .. or cisco .. cisco doesn't make linux device s:) |
| 18:38.42 | newbie_ | how can I limit ssh (sftp) users access to ONE directory? |
| 18:38.44 | teknoprep | how good are you with those things |
| 18:38.52 | teknoprep | put ,'s between them |
| 18:38.53 | Windpaw | ircdevil: Bots which log without explicit consent of channel owners are usually removed from the network. |
| 18:38.54 | hugo | I wanna write a shellscript that checks who owns the dirs under another dir and makes chown -R user:group those dirs. is the best way to get the owner by parsing ls -l ?? |
| 18:39.10 | abrotman | teknoprep: cisco not so much .. linux .. i can get by :) |
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| 18:39.21 | abrotman | teknoprep: but i would actually like to learn more cisco stuff |
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| 18:39.29 | tekalpha | nvm then |
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| 18:39.32 | abrotman | and get back to working on solaris more .. |
| 18:39.34 | ircdevil | Windpaw: how can you tell that its a bot? |
| 18:39.34 | tekalpha | you could have my old job |
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| 18:39.38 | tekalpha | when i leave |
| 18:39.42 | tekalpha | they need to replace me |
| 18:39.46 | tekalpha | i am uber tech |
| 18:39.46 | abrotman | tekalpha: gotta be cisco freak eh? |
| 18:39.50 | tekalpha | no |
| 18:39.51 | Windpaw | ircdevil: Erm, usually when we see it pasting all its logged information to a website. There are other ways too |
| 18:39.57 | abrotman | tekalpha: i'm joking about the linux stuff .. i'm quite good |
| 18:40.05 | teknoprep | hey |
| 18:40.06 | Krondor | Anyone have any suggestions as to which is the superior linux backup software? Dump, CPIO, Tar, other? |
| 18:40.08 | teknoprep | how much cisco you know |
| 18:40.09 | lindi- | hugo: i would suggest find -type d -maxdepth 1 -printf "%u %f\n" |
| 18:40.14 | jorgp | what happen to http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/ it is now forbidden |
| 18:40.15 | abrotman | teknoprep: i've been using debian mostly .. but linux since .. 1998ish i think |
| 18:40.21 | teknoprep | bleh |
| 18:40.31 | abrotman | teknoprep: enough to get myself in a buttload of trouble :) |
| 18:40.31 | teknoprep | do you know networking really well tho |
| 18:40.36 | newbie_ | abrotman: how can I limit ssh (sftp) users access to ONE directory? |
| 18:40.36 | lindi- | hugo: or even find -type d -maxdepth 1 -printf "chown %u:%g %f\n" |
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| 18:40.38 | abrotman | which part of networking |
| 18:40.43 | teknoprep | all of it |
| 18:40.45 | abrotman | newbie_: chroot .. if at all |
| 18:40.51 | teknoprep | EIRGP.. OSPF... RIPv2 |
| 18:40.52 | ana150 | how can i change my ip, like "release and renew"?, if there is some execelent guide for these "basic" commands, please foward me to there :) |
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| 18:40.56 | teknoprep | appletalk |
| 18:41.01 | teknoprep | dot1q |
| 18:41.05 | abrotman | teknoprep: while i could learn .. not enough that i would bet my life on it :) |
| 18:41.07 | teknoprep | vlan segmentation. vlan routing |
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| 18:41.13 | teknoprep | should i keep going |
| 18:41.19 | hugo | lindi: cool |
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| 18:41.24 | abrotman | teknoprep: i'm more systems than network |
| 18:41.33 | ircdevil | Windpaw: sure, but that just becouse the bots are giving themselves away. anyway, i think its great the freenode is able to stay pretty clear of spambots and the likes, but i am a bit puzzled why logging chans and publishing the logs should be bad. |
| 18:41.36 | teknoprep | i dunno.. you should apply |
| 18:41.38 | abrotman | teknoprep: working for small companies will do that to you |
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| 18:41.57 | abrotman | teknoprep: they don't have much choice in the reading area :) |
| 18:42.03 | teknoprep | i built the DMZ firewall's here |
| 18:42.13 | teknoprep | with highly available failover |
| 18:42.17 | teknoprep | the spam filter |
| 18:42.20 | teknoprep | the vpn's |
| 18:42.31 | abrotman | maybe you sohuld just ask for more money instead of leaving :) |
| 18:42.32 | Windpaw | ircdevil: It's a consent and privacy deal. Users don't always like their information to be used without explicit consent. Having a bot on a channel without at least asking the channel owner is a little rude, violates privacy of users, and thus is frowned upon |
| 18:42.33 | teknoprep | dns servers... configured the switches |
| 18:42.40 | teknoprep | routers... fwsm for the 6509 |
| 18:42.47 | abrotman | Windpaw: i've seen logs of #debian on random pages |
| 18:42.53 | gtigene | The Linux NFS HOWTO talks about nfs-utils. Is this the same as the package nfs-kernel-server? |
| 18:43.01 | greycat | Windpaw: #debian is basically a public street corner. |
| 18:43.02 | teknoprep | configured snort with snortsam on the firewall's for layer 5 - 7 protection |
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| 18:43.07 | Windpaw | abrotman: It's true, situations are dealt with on an individual basis though ;) |
| 18:43.09 | greycat | Windpaw: assume *anything* you say here is logged. |
| 18:43.15 | newbie_ | abrotman: what does chroot do? how does that limit an FTP user's access to one directory (ie: /home/ftp) |
| 18:43.20 | abrotman | Piggy: SQUEAL! |
| 18:43.31 | abrotman | !tell newbie_ about chroot |
| 18:43.54 | Cope | hrm; netstat -an | fgrep -w 69 |
| 18:43.55 | Cope | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* |
| 18:44.03 | teknoprep | abrotman, you know about that stuff |
| 18:44.08 | hugo | lindi: could I somehow use those vars %u:%g with -exec directly? |
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| 18:44.14 | newbie_ | abrotman: does that keep ftp users from changing to other directories? |
| 18:44.16 | abrotman | teknoprep: some of it |
| 18:44.23 | teknoprep | abrotman, then apply |
| 18:44.36 | abrotman | teknoprep: like i said .. they don't have much choice in that area |
| 18:44.37 | teknoprep | abrotman, i don't want this job anymore.. they know i am leaving at the end of june |
| 18:44.38 | Cope | seems to be listening - but after getting an ip address the pxe client times out at the tftp stage; ANy suggestions how to troubleshoot this? |
| 18:44.47 | teknoprep | abrotman, who doesn't |
| 18:44.54 | kullanici | which packet have C functions manuals? |
| 18:44.58 | abrotman | teknoprep: your company .. |
| 18:44.59 | LinuxMafia | all : any one can help me to do this -->Change the first five bytes of sector 2 (boot sector is sector 1) to: 4B 45 59 00 00, in floppy? |
| 18:45.00 | ana150 | hey anybody?, what's the command for renewing ip from dhcp? |
| 18:45.01 | crashbg | i don't have /dev/video to use it with my usb tuner. where are video devices in debian? maybe it's not the place? |
| 18:45.04 | teknoprep | abrotman, about what |
| 18:45.05 | lindi- | hugo: afaik not, just pipe find output to "sh" when you are sure |
| 18:45.09 | kullanici | which packet should i install to use man 3 printf |
| 18:45.15 | abrotman | teknoprep: it's not like you're an MCSE .. and there are dozens waiting for your job after you leave |
| 18:45.22 | aFlag | there are no more emule clients in debian repository? |
| 18:45.23 | ircdevil | Windpaw: i see. but things being said in these chans are public. why should the logs not be? |
| 18:45.27 | teknoprep | abrotman, i have my MCSE foo |
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| 18:45.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:45.41 | teknoprep | abrotman, i have my linux+ RHCE MSCE CCNA CCNP CCIE |
| 18:45.46 | crashbg | ana150, /etc/init.d/dhcp-client restart or something |
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| 18:45.51 | abrotman | teknoprep: i have BS :) |
| 18:45.57 | teknoprep | abrotman, lol |
| 18:46.10 | valdyn | kullanici: manpages-dev |
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| 18:46.11 | teknoprep | abrotman, finnaly finished up my CCIE and am moving on |
| 18:46.11 | hugo | lindi: but find outputs a whole list, right. so I cant interpret line by line, can I? |
| 18:46.16 | teknoprep | abrotman, bigger and better jobs |
| 18:46.19 | abrotman | teknoprep: i bet they're happy |
| 18:46.27 | teknoprep | abrotman, who this company |
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| 18:46.29 | Windpaw | ircdevil: As I usually mention, these things are on an individual basis. A series of bots whose sole purpose is to sit on 100+ channels and log content to a website would be a little more unacceptable than a single bot, on two or three project channels, usually with the consent of the people running the project, to provide some .. logging of what's said and actions taken |
| 18:46.33 | teknoprep | abrotman, why would you say that |
| 18:46.46 | kullanici | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:46.57 | Windpaw | ircdevil: There's also the case of 'if nobody notices, there's never much of a fuss' |
| 18:47.03 | abrotman | teknoprep: your company isn't happy ... because you've finally learned all this crap .. then you leave :) |
| 18:47.16 | teknoprep | abrotman, i learned that all on my own |
| 18:47.20 | teknoprep | abrotman, not with them |
| 18:47.21 | lindi- | hugo: what do you mean? |
| 18:47.29 | teknoprep | abrotman, they didn't pay for anything i learned |
| 18:47.35 | christor | cfsdq$ g^ |
| 18:47.35 | christor | Q |
| 18:47.41 | teknoprep | abrotman, and they don't pay me enough for what i do |
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| 18:47.48 | hugo | lindi: no, I now see what you mean. |
| 18:47.57 | lindi- | hugo: find -type d -maxdepth 1 -printf "echo chown %u:%g %f\n" | sh |
| 18:48.03 | lindi- | hugo: remove echo when you are sure |
| 18:48.04 | hugo | put the command I want in -fprint and | sh |
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| 18:48.12 | abrotman | teknoprep: ah ok |
| 18:48.26 | abrotman | teknoprep: won't you miss the Yuengling ? :) |
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| 18:48.47 | teknoprep | amarok roks |
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| 18:48.54 | teknoprep | abrotman, are you nuts |
| 18:48.56 | EdibleText | abrotman, they can Yuengling in FL, or so I am told |
| 18:48.58 | TbbW^ | how do i change in /etc/initd/gdm to be the last thing to be started? |
| 18:49.03 | newbie_ | abrotman: can I just change permissions of the ftp user /ftp group so they can't navigate beyond that directory? I created a debian account ftp:ftp .. |
| 18:49.10 | prium | is there any reason why sed 's/^M$//' dosendline.txt would not work? |
| 18:49.39 | TbbW^ | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-37401.html <- im having this problem with my keybord |
| 18:49.48 | abrotman | teknoprep: i like it ! :) |
| 18:49.52 | abrotman | EdibleText: they do |
| 18:49.58 | greycat | prium: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
| 18:50.01 | abrotman | newbie_: uhm ... |
| 18:50.07 | newbie_ | abrotman: can I use .htaccess file to keep that user in that directory or something? |
| 18:50.57 | LinuxMafia | all : any one can help me to do this -->Change the first five bytes of sector 2 (boot sector is sector 1) to: 4B 45 59 00 00, in floppy? |
| 18:51.40 | Super_Cat_Frog | linuxmafia - google dd |
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| 18:52.13 | mwilson | LinuxMafia: Why do you need a sector to have the word "KEY" in it? |
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| 18:52.16 | benavento | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.22 | benavento | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.25 | benavento | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.30 | greycat | LinuxMafia: man dd |
| 18:52.42 | LinuxMafia | mwilson: couse i need to bypass my bios passwrod for laptop |
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| 18:52.58 | newbie_ | abrotman: or rather, can I somehow set up ssh so that SFTP can only be connected to ONE directory? |
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| 18:53.05 | LinuxMafia | greycat: it is not ony dd , it is also hex editor |
| 18:53.11 | prium | greycat: ok...hmm...i tried those, but i guess the problem isn't that it's DOS format, heh. every line ends with ^M...how can i solve this? |
| 18:53.15 | Super_Cat_Frog | newbie - there's a chroot option probably - look into that |
| 18:53.21 | mwilson | LinuxMafia: Maybe you'd better return the laptop to the actual owner. |
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| 18:54.09 | LinuxMafia | mwilson: ok i will do that next time |
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| 18:54.22 | LinuxMafia | mwilson: thanks for being minyak |
| 18:54.30 | greycat | prium: a literal ^ and M, or is it a Ctrl-M (CR) byte? |
| 18:54.31 | newbie_ | supercat: do I have to have a separate install of debian running just to limit the user to one directory? |
| 18:54.33 | mwilson | Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 18:54.49 | prium | i believe it's a ctrl-m byte |
| 18:54.54 | prium | in fact i'm positive |
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| 18:55.01 | gtigene | My debian host has two network interfaces but only recognizes one of them. How can I configure it for two interfaces? |
| 18:55.18 | mwilson | gtigene: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:55.25 | kyensial | hi, i install Debian from the first .iso |
| 18:55.43 | kyensial | i added package, but my gui doesnt work |
| 18:55.43 | gtigene | mwilson OK, thank you. |
| 18:55.49 | greycat | prium: then it's DOS format. Duh. |
| 18:55.53 | kyensial | i tried with Gnome |
| 18:56.00 | kyensial | how can i fix this problem ? |
| 18:56.11 | ciaron | how do i change "ulimit -n" for a non root user? |
| 18:56.37 | prium | greycat: hmm... ok, i tried the perl script and i tried tr -d \r < file ... it didn't change it. |
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| 18:56.47 | raydoo | hi anyone knows a howto to activate ssl on apache for a subdomain or first activate ssl (making the certs etc) of the server ? |
| 18:57.01 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 18:57.23 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : thx, i ll try it |
| 18:57.36 | greycat | prium: tr -d '\r' |
| 18:57.42 | greycat | prium: or if you prefer: tr -d \\r |
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| 18:57.52 | mwilson | ciaron: You don't. |
| 18:57.57 | prium | heh |
| 18:57.58 | prium | thank you |
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| 18:59.18 | ciaron | mwilson: then how do i let a non root user open more files? |
| 18:59.19 | greycat | argh! it's wrong in the bot. |
| 18:59.23 | kingsley | Where is /usr/X11R6/bin/X's "-dpi" option documented? |
| 18:59.31 | greycat | dpkg, dos2unix =~ s/tr -d \r/tr -d '\r'/ |
| 18:59.35 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 18:59.44 | simonrvn | !dos2unix |
| 18:59.44 | dpkg | i heard dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/r\n/\n/g' |
| 18:59.50 | simonrvn | @dos2unix |
| 18:59.50 | ravenbird | rumour has it, dos2unix is at http://www.bsd.org/dos2unix.html, perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' <filename>, in the sysutils package, recode, fromdos, tr -d \\r |
| 18:59.57 | mwilson | ciaron: You ask the actual admin of the box to increase your limit. |
| 19:00.08 | greycat | dpkg's is newer |
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| 19:00.37 | stew | kingsley: Xserver(1x) |
| 19:00.48 | wizard73 | hi |
| 19:00.48 | ciaron | mwilson: i have root on the machine |
| 19:00.56 | wizard73 | how do I check if a port is open? |
| 19:00.58 | kingsley | stew: Thank you. |
| 19:00.59 | wizard73 | on a box? |
| 19:01.00 | mwilson | ciaron: Sure you do. |
| 19:01.09 | greycat | isn't 1024 (the default) enough? |
| 19:01.16 | ciaron | apparently not |
| 19:01.27 | greycat | what is this end user running? |
| 19:01.28 | simonrvn | @dos2unix is <reply>dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/r\n/\n/g' |
| 19:01.28 | ravenbird | ...but dos2unix is already something else... |
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| 19:01.33 | simonrvn | @no dos2unix is <reply>dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/r\n/\n/g' |
| 19:01.33 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 19:01.51 | greycat | simonrvn: you lost a \ in that. |
| 19:01.53 | ciaron | greycat: the end user is me, running a java based app |
| 19:01.55 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : "... the news version is already installed" |
| 19:01.58 | greycat | s/\r not s/r |
| 19:02.10 | greycat | ciaron: freenet? |
| 19:02.12 | simonrvn | @no dos2unix is <reply>dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 19:02.13 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
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| 19:02.25 | ciaron | ulimit -n as root seems to change it for root but not for the non priv users |
| 19:02.31 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: then you already have it. It doesn't work when you run "startx"? |
| 19:02.33 | simonrvn | fix dpkg's then, 'cause that's where i got it ;) |
| 19:02.36 | greycat | ciaron: it changes it for THAT SHELL. |
| 19:02.45 | greycat | ciaron: (and its children, of course; it's inherited) |
| 19:02.50 | simonrvn | !no dos2unix is <reply>dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 19:02.50 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 19:03.05 | LuPuZ | I need some help... When i try to install my debian from an sarge.netinst these i get error that these modules aint loaded i810_rng (Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge), i810-tco (Intel |
| 19:03.05 | LuPuZ | Corporation 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Inteface Bridge) |
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| 19:03.08 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : "...broken (explicit kill or server shutdonw") |
| 19:03.12 | greycat | simonrvn: oh, it was wrong in dpkg too, and I missed it. :( |
| 19:03.13 | kyensial | when i use startx |
| 19:03.20 | simonrvn | ciaron: clue: it wouldn't matter for root, it's not limited |
| 19:03.30 | ciaron | greycat: you mean change ulimit, then su to the user? |
| 19:03.31 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: check the logs |
| 19:03.36 | kyensial | i trid as root, and just user |
| 19:03.39 | greycat | ciaron: that's certainly one way. |
| 19:03.47 | ciaron | simonrvn: yer i know, but running stuff as root is a bad idea |
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| 19:03.56 | simonrvn | duh |
| 19:03.57 | TbbW^ | anyone know how to fix a kbord that stops working when gdm starts? it works in console |
| 19:04.07 | greycat | ciaron: in fact, that's how I run Freenet, but I'm worried about ulimit -v, not ulimit -n, in that case. (I lowered ulimit -v as myself to prevent mozilla eating all virtual memory) |
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| 19:04.34 | pack | TbbW^ does caps/num lock work in gdm? (do they make the lights switch?) |
| 19:04.46 | greycat | TbbW^: "don't run gdm"? :) |
| 19:04.54 | ciaron | greycat: ok cheers that seems to have changed it |
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| 19:05.23 | w00t | i read 3 book about linux i still think that linux is better than windows |
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| 19:05.48 | skel | is there an option for the debian installer to load the remote ssh installer plugin on boot? having some terminal emu issues and I can't use the arrow keys |
| 19:06.10 | simonrvn | don't j and k work? |
| 19:06.16 | skel | nope =/ |
| 19:06.18 | skel | tried |
| 19:06.19 | abrotman | j/k |
| 19:06.52 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : where are the log,, i forgot |
| 19:06.54 | kyensial | :( |
| 19:06.55 | skel | I'm serial consoled into a netra t1 |
| 19:06.59 | simonrvn | @lart d-i for not supporting vi keys |
| 19:06.59 | Esotericisms | wtf was that all about? |
| 19:07.04 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: /var/log |
| 19:07.34 | greycat | simonrvn: you implemented "lart ... for ..."? |
| 19:07.55 | kyensial | "fatal error, module failure",, how can i explain you the error ? |
| 19:07.58 | simonrvn | greycat: newer larts. dpkg has 'em too. must be the newer code |
| 19:08.30 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : "fatal error, module failure",, how can i explain you the error ? |
| 19:08.35 | greycat | !lart the US Congress for passing the Patriot Act |
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| 19:09.03 | walker | hey y'all...i just started a new position with this company and ls -l (as well as tar) are segfaulting on our server...i tried copying a clean ls binary from a diff't machine and i'm still getting the same error...any ideas? |
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| 19:09.21 | TbbW^ | pack: no they dont |
| 19:09.22 | greycat | walker: check the RAM |
| 19:09.33 | TbbW^ | pack: no reaction on the leds |
| 19:09.54 | walker | grey: haven't tried that yet, i'll give it a go, thx :) |
| 19:10.09 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: that's in XFree86.0.log? |
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| 19:10.15 | [Elad] | hello all :) |
| 19:10.18 | kyensial | yes |
| 19:10.26 | [Elad] | how can I burn vcd on linux please? |
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| 19:10.42 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: I don't know. google for that error message then |
| 19:10.46 | pack | does your XFree86 config have an input device Keyboard entry? |
| 19:11.49 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : i ll, but if i want to re-install all again, how can i do ? |
| 19:12.18 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: re-installing won't fix your X problems. This is not windows. |
| 19:12.24 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know why the "-bpp" option isn't documented in Xserver's man page? |
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| 19:13.53 | greycat | kingsley: it's "-depth" now. |
| 19:13.55 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : i v an old graphique card (intel1810), and i choosed "vesa" is this correct ? |
| 19:14.09 | Levander | How do I cancel out of this dpkg-reconfigure script? Ctrl-C isn't working. |
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| 19:14.25 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: vesa will work but will be slow. Choose a card-specific selection if you can. |
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| 19:14.51 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : how can i know which on is the best for my graphic card ? |
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| 19:15.34 | kyensial | in the doc, they say use "vesa" by default if you don't know your graphique card driver |
| 19:15.59 | simpletron | kyensial: what videocard do you have? |
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| 19:16.07 | kyensial | intel 1810 |
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| 19:16.22 | kyensial | i'm trying to install Debian in a P3 |
| 19:16.26 | skel | which is the debian installer channel? I tried #d-i and #debian-installer |
| 19:16.41 | TbbW^ | pack: yes i have a kb entry in me conf file... |
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| 19:16.53 | greycat | skel: -boot |
| 19:17.07 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: maybe you should use d-i and install a more up to date X, with optional hardware detection during the X install. |
| 19:17.30 | kingsley | greycat: Do you happen to know why "-depth" isn't documented in Xserver's man page? |
| 19:17.30 | jeanmi_ | some times ago a did e2fsck on my external USB HD and stupidly killed the e2fsck while it was running. I ran it again which caused loads of errors (thousends) so I killed it again. If I try to run it again it tells me that the FS is clean just stops. I can't mount the disk and guess I fucked the FS. Is there anything I could do or can I simply consider the data FUBAR ? |
| 19:17.32 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: or rather, upgrade your woody to sarge. |
| 19:17.38 | greycat | kingsley: no |
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| 19:17.50 | skel | greycat: ty |
| 19:17.56 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : ok, how can i run or upgrade to sarge ? |
| 19:18.14 | MobyTurbo | !telll kyensial -about woody->sarge |
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| 19:18.20 | MobyTurbo | !tell kyensial -about woody->sarge |
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| 19:18.25 | MobyTurbo | oops |
| 19:18.46 | lilliput | hello all ;) |
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| 19:19.25 | joe|code | what is the most recent kernel available for sarge? |
| 19:19.32 | citral | 2.6.8 |
| 19:19.34 | Eclipser | 2.6.8 |
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| 19:19.47 | kingsley | greycat: FYI: It's in XFree86's man page. |
| 19:19.49 | lilliput | I would like to know if anyone know if this it's possible to play with ultrasound with alsa (emit & recieve) |
| 19:20.25 | citral | lilliput: you want to try csound for that kind of experiment |
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| 19:20.26 | sbigul | hi,somebody know,how to get in to Polish chat? |
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| 19:20.36 | stew | !polish |
| 19:20.36 | dpkg | i heard polish is spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl |
| 19:20.53 | sbigul | thanks |
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| 19:21.43 | Quag7 | Hello. I'm running Stable, but I'm trying to install the mailscanner package from testing. I have it and a few packages that it works with pinned to testing in /etc/apt/preferences. However when I try to install mailscanner with the pinning in place, it tells me: "Package mailscanner has no available version, but exists in the database...." I have tried several apt-get updates to fix this, but no luck. Can anyone point me in a dir |
| 19:21.43 | Quag7 | ection? |
| 19:21.48 | joe|code | In order to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.8 I should apt kernel-source 2.6.8? |
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| 19:22.13 | xnor | why dosent usb support work after applyed kernel-image 2.6 ? |
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| 19:23.21 | TbbW^ | changed to xdm ... rebooting it |
| 19:23.38 | stew | joe|code: apt-cache search kernel-image ; pick one ; apt-get install it |
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| 19:24.14 | stew | !why is mailscanner not in testing |
| 19:24.15 | dpkg | mailscanner is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mailscanner |
| 19:24.18 | stew | Quag7: ^^^ |
| 19:24.25 | w00t | i have a team call xbmx we tryingto make linux more tolz |
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| 19:24.39 | stew | Quag7: btw in general, mixing woody with sarge is not a good idea |
| 19:24.55 | lindi- | Quag7: you can create a package for woody very easily. 1) add "deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian testing main" to sources.list 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get source mailscanner; cd mailscanner-4.41.3; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d |
| 19:24.59 | jeanmi_ | is there any program to fix a "broken" ext2 FS ? |
| 19:25.02 | jeanmi_ | or to retrieve the data ? |
| 19:25.10 | TbbW^ | keybord dont work in xdm |
| 19:25.13 | TbbW^ | or gdm |
| 19:25.24 | stew | lindi-: you are going to want a apt-get build-dep mailscanner as well |
| 19:25.25 | Quag7 | stew, I don't much but there is a FAQ online about this; it's been done with these specific packages before - as for everything else in sarge I'll take your advice. |
| 19:25.40 | w00t | ha he hi ho hu lol |
| 19:25.43 | greycat | jeanmi_: fsck failed? |
| 19:25.43 | Quag7 | Also thanks stew |
| 19:25.47 | Quag7 | And lindi |
| 19:25.50 | lindi- | stew: except that it will fail on woody :) |
| 19:25.59 | jeanmi_ | greycat fsck says everything is fine |
| 19:26.03 | lindi- | stew: too old debhelper |
| 19:26.10 | jeanmi_ | greycat but I stupidly killed it while running twice |
| 19:26.11 | stew | lindi-: if build-dep fails the dpkg-buildpackage won't either |
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| 19:26.17 | stew | ^the^then |
| 19:26.20 | lindi- | stew: that's why i have "-d" there |
| 19:26.23 | stew | ahh |
| 19:26.42 | jeanmi_ | greycat and now I can't mound the disk |
| 19:26.44 | Quag7 | Oh I see, bad timing on my part with the freeze. |
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| 19:29.54 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : i did all as you adviced me |
| 19:30.01 | kyensial | still updating |
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| 19:30.52 | kyensial | MobyTurbo :after that? what shall i do ? |
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| 19:32.07 | koala | hi |
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| 19:32.43 | xnor | i have lots of modules in /etc/modules do i need to remove them and install them if i go from 2.4 -> 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 19:33.41 | appaji | xnor: yes, and since the names of few may have changed from 2.4 to 2.6, you would want to use a /etc/modules-2.6 for the 2.6 kernel |
| 19:34.15 | Levander | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:34.34 | koala | no remove i thinck just update migration 2.4 2.6 |
| 19:34.42 | ifvoid | /usr/include/locale.h:125: error: parse error before ';' token |
| 19:34.44 | ifvoid | ARGRG |
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| 19:34.49 | rob_lt | Levander, yes, it should |
| 19:35.15 | martin-H | hi |
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| 19:35.54 | xnor | appaji: Thanks, do you know how i make a new modules-2.6 file that will be used by the system? |
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| 19:36.03 | Levander | rob_lt: okay, good, i'm gonna consider it tested then without having to reboot, so I don't have to kill a process I've got running |
| 19:36.07 | Levander | rob_lt: thanks |
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| 19:36.22 | mait | What POP server works best for people who want to keep 1 GB of email on the server and check it every 30 seconds? |
| 19:36.40 | koala | ok bye room ;) |
| 19:36.42 | martin-H | Any hp printer user? |
| 19:36.46 | mait | Or should I tell them to switch to IMAP? |
| 19:36.59 | appaji | xnor: just edit a file in /etc called modules-2.5 |
| 19:37.00 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: you may need to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in order to reconfigure X |
| 19:37.06 | Maliuta | martin-h: I print to one via smb |
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| 19:37.10 | streuner_ | !tell martin-H about ask |
| 19:37.15 | appaji | xnor: start by copying your /etc/modules to it |
| 19:37.22 | mait | Or does the mail spool need to be maildir instead of mbox? |
| 19:37.28 | teknoprep | aptitude rocks |
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| 19:37.38 | Levander | mait: i have no idea, but you know to use the maildir format and not the mbox format for a config like that? |
| 19:37.40 | martin-H | oh, thanks Maliuta and streuner_ |
| 19:37.45 | Levander | maildir will speed it up a lot over mbox |
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| 19:37.55 | josef | i've got a quick question, what driver does debian use for the broadcom gigabit cards? |
| 19:38.00 | martin-H | well, i have a hp 1000 with no rom, and i cannot use it |
| 19:38.04 | doublehp | network problem: A pings S at 35ms, B pings S at 45ms, A pings B at 550 ms ... can I complain anyone about that ? |
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| 19:38.25 | teknoprep | anyone here use MailScanner with some dnsbl's... i find its the best spam solution out there.. jsut to give a heads up |
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| 19:38.31 | mait | Levander: I am not yet qualified to configure maildir mail spools, but I might learn... |
| 19:38.39 | daft | fluxbox has a terrible font how can i change that |
| 19:38.41 | Maliuta | martin-H: have you got all ppd's installed for cups? |
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| 19:38.56 | Levander | mait: if they've got to migrate from mbox to maildir, use mb2md, that worked great for me |
| 19:38.59 | josef | does anybody even use broadcom cards in here? |
| 19:39.01 | MobyTurbo | daft: install artwiz fonts and turn on anti-aliasing |
| 19:39.05 | mwilson | Maliuta: You don't know what a HP 1000 is, do you? |
| 19:39.07 | xnor | appaji: Ok thats done |
| 19:39.08 | Levander | mait: and it's just a configuration parameter in your mailserver |
| 19:39.09 | mait | I dunno if Debian's qpopper groks maildir... |
| 19:39.14 | martin-H | i think so |
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| 19:39.28 | martin-H | Maliuta, I have instaled cups and foomatic |
| 19:39.29 | daft | ty |
| 19:39.29 | Levander | mait: there was one configuration parameter I had to change in postfix to get it to work for me |
| 19:39.45 | Levander | mait: the performance difference with that much mail will be significant |
| 19:39.47 | Maliuta | mwilson: I am assuming it's a printer |
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| 19:40.03 | daft | hwo to turn on anti-aliasing? |
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| 19:40.11 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 19:40.19 | martin-H | is a printer without any rom |
| 19:40.23 | Maliuta | martin-H: do you have hp-ppd installed? |
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| 19:40.32 | martin-H | think so |
| 19:40.39 | martin-H | how to know it?¿ |
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| 19:41.07 | MobyTurbo | daft: it's in a configuration menu somewhere. I'm not running fluxbox atm so I can't be more specific. |
| 19:41.18 | Maliuta | martin-h: man dpkg |
| 19:41.27 | martin-H | hmm, ok ok |
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| 19:41.49 | mait | I can see how to get MTA's to deliver... now I am looking into POP and IMAP damons that grok maildir... |
| 19:41.56 | mait | Any favorites out there? |
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| 19:42.07 | MobyTurbo | martin-H: apt-cache policy hp-ppd or whatever |
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| 19:42.24 | greycat | mait: courier-{imap,pop}, dovecot |
| 19:42.30 | martin-H | not installed |
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| 19:42.36 | Maliuta | mait: I am using courier, I was using cyrus but had issues with getting procmail to deliver to it |
| 19:42.38 | xnor | appaji: How do i get debian to use the modules-2.6 file instead of the modules file? |
| 19:42.57 | daft | a yes found it ty MobyTurbo |
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| 19:43.08 | MobyTurbo | np |
| 19:43.18 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : ok, i ll try, thx for your precious help ;) |
| 19:43.26 | appaji | xnor: install the module-init-tools |
| 19:43.39 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: sorry for not answering sooner, I was on another desktop |
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| 19:43.41 | mait | greycat: Thanks |
| 19:43.47 | teknoprep | oh yeah |
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| 19:43.59 | xnor | appaji: I have them |
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| 19:44.03 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : dont,, its ok, u already helped me a lot |
| 19:44.14 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 19:44.14 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:44.17 | MobyTurbo | :-) |
| 19:44.18 | lilliput | citral: thx I'm testing it .. |
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| 19:44.28 | appaji | xnor: now boot into the 2.6 kernel |
| 19:44.37 | Quag7 | lindi / stew - Trying to build that source package of mailscanner. I get this error: make: dh_testdir: Command not found <- I assume this is part of some kind of dev or utilities package; do you happen to know which? |
| 19:44.41 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : still donwloading [57%] |
| 19:44.46 | _joey | when you setup QoS usinng tc /htb does it have to on interface with physical dev ? can I use ppp0 ? |
| 19:44.54 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: well, it will take a bit. |
| 19:44.54 | _joey | assinge by my isp |
| 19:45.05 | xnor | appaji iam in 2.6 kernel already |
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| 19:45.26 | lindi- | Quag7: from packages.debian.org you see that it's part of debhelper, install it |
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| 19:46.10 | martin-H | ok Maliuta , hp-ppd installed |
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| 19:46.24 | Quag7 | Ah I see, packages.debian.org contains all of that info. |
| 19:46.26 | Quag7 | I was wondering. |
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| 19:47.46 | MobyTurbo | kyensial: you may also want to install discover, mdedetct, and read-edid before reconfiguring xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:47.57 | MobyTurbo | mdetect* |
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| 19:48.12 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : ah ok |
| 19:48.36 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : i ll let you know when it's finished |
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| 19:49.52 | kyensial | MobyTurbo : read-edid or read-edit ? |
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| 19:51.23 | cirdan | hey all...I am getting a ton of error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } and status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } messages on a refurb maxtor drive |
| 19:51.33 | cirdan | does that mean that the replacement is bad too? |
| 19:51.48 | greycat | could also be the IDE cables |
| 19:51.54 | cirdan | grm |
| 19:51.56 | cirdan | hrm |
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| 19:52.38 | cirdan | i had this problem on the previous drive and it started giving me bad sectors after a few weeks |
| 19:52.57 | simonrvn | check everything |
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| 19:53.21 | cirdan | whee |
| 19:53.22 | cirdan | ok |
| 19:53.46 | lewis | could someone pastebin their exim4 quota lines from exim4.conf? (for /var/mail/[user] files, with no other complicated options) |
| 19:54.52 | simonrvn | does it have to be uncomplicated? ;) |
| 19:55.25 | lewis | well, I don't have all kinds of crazy courier/imap/mysql options - just simple exim4 |
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| 19:55.50 | lewis | all I want to do is prevent the individual files from growing over a certain size, with the same policy for all users |
| 19:55.54 | greycat | !l33t mail |
| 19:55.54 | dpkg | <newbie> How do I configure my mail system to have users that aren't in /etc/passwd? Help me, I'm too lame to set their shell to /bin/false!!!!! |
| 19:55.59 | priest | simonrvn: mysql is perfect for smtp-servers :P |
| 19:56.04 | lewis | however, I am finding a few variances on the net, as to what should be in the exim4.conf file |
| 19:56.07 | simonrvn | bah |
| 19:56.21 | priest | simonrvn: so what would you use then? |
| 19:56.42 | simonrvn | i'm one of the local ldap freaks |
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| 19:57.29 | priest | crazy :P |
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| 19:57.40 | ryan_ | someone wanna ban crack? |
| 19:57.49 | ryan_ | I got onjoin spam |
| 19:57.52 | ryan_ | also |
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| 19:58.03 | KerPlunk | Why is the gnomebaker project moving so slowly. |
| 19:58.03 | simonrvn | /topic |
| 19:58.13 | streuner_ | !ops crack |
| 19:58.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: crack |
| 19:58.18 | ryan_ | anyone wanna help me figure out why apt is segfaulting? |
| 19:58.19 | matt0 | how do i make xterm let me use alt+1-9 etc to switch windows in irssi? |
| 19:58.21 | lewis | as far as I know, I only need a few lines, under the 'local_delivery:' transport: quota, quota_warn_threshold and quota_warn_message. I have experimented with 'quota_size_regex' and 'maildir_tag' to no avail |
| 19:58.42 | lewis | anyhow, help is appreciated |
| 19:58.46 | efigaaa | how to make tvtime |
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| 19:58.49 | LoRez | streuner_: for future reference, provide more than just 'crack' :) |
| 19:58.59 | efigaaa | how can i have sound in tvtime |
| 19:59.06 | streuner_ | LoRez: ok |
| 19:59.17 | simonrvn | sounds like you were telling the ops they were on crack or something |
| 19:59.21 | efigaaa | i use 2.6.11.6 kernel |
| 19:59.30 | streuner_ | simonrvn: haha |
| 19:59.47 | exerd | how do i rename a file= |
| 19:59.53 | simonrvn | man mv |
| 19:59.53 | Cope | what's the lsof incantation to tie a file to a port? eg list files holding port n open? |
| 19:59.57 | ryan_ | oh fuck |
| 20:00.03 | simonrvn | -n -i :port# |
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| 20:00.11 | ryan_ | invalid operand? |
| 20:00.46 | Cope | simonrvn: thanks :) |
| 20:01.20 | Lob2k | hey all, I'm having a strange text problem in firefox. If i highlight any of the text, the whole line seems to adjust very slightly to one way or another. Has anyone else heard of this? |
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| 20:02.15 | Cope | I'm getting a 'Cannot bind to local socket: Address already in use' error from tftpd-hpa when trying to server pxelinux.0, so trying to see if something else is using port 69 |
| 20:02.21 | efigaaa | how can i have sound in tvtime |
| 20:02.41 | greycat | Cope: lsof -i :69 |
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| 20:03.10 | Dabian | Is it hard to burn with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:03.13 | matt0 | How do I make xterm let me use alt+1-9 etc to switch windows in irssi? |
| 20:03.20 | Dabian | I have trouble burning a CD. |
| 20:03.31 | greycat | dpkg, no, hard is <reply> Yes. It's hard. |
| 20:03.31 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:03.32 | streuner_ | greycat: mhall isn't able to speak (+q) |
| 20:03.36 | Cope | Well inetd, obviously |
| 20:03.39 | Cope | but apart from that |
| 20:03.42 | simonrvn | matt0: try ESC-XX |
| 20:03.50 | hyksos | hi, in which file do i change the value of time which ddclient should check the ip? its not in /etc/ddclient.conf |
| 20:03.58 | Dabian | I havn't enabled ide-scsi as a boot option .. |
| 20:04.00 | greycat | 16:03 55 - #debian: ban %*!*mhall@* [by caphuso!foobar@p5481ECE7.dip.t-dialin.net, 1044101 secs ago] |
| 20:04.04 | streuner_ | greycat: Can you help? |
| 20:04.08 | matt0 | simonrvn: ESC-XX ? |
| 20:04.14 | Dabian | haven't. |
| 20:04.16 | greycat | hmm, caphuso's gone. |
| 20:04.19 | simonrvn | XX == 1, 2, 3 etc. |
| 20:04.28 | greycat | dpkg, 1044101 / 86400 |
| 20:04.29 | dpkg | 12.084502314815 |
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| 20:04.45 | matt0 | simonrvn: ah, thanks man |
| 20:04.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
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| 20:05.06 | streuner_ | greycat: thanks |
| 20:06.09 | efigaaa | anyone with the sound problem in tvtime pls |
| 20:06.31 | abli | Hi! after burning a CD, i tried to do an 'md5sum /dev/hdc' to check it and it gives read errors. Does that mean that my cd drive is broken? can it be caused by cdrecord or some other problem? Is reading /dev/hdc a good way tho check the CD? |
| 20:06.34 | streuner_ | efigaaa: what does 'uname -a' say? |
| 20:06.34 | lewis | bah - since i can't find help with my main exim4 issue, are there any disadvantages to using a maildir setup (as opposed to having all the mail in one BIG file)? |
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| 20:06.56 | efigaaa | 2.6.11.2 |
| 20:06.59 | efigaaa | kernel |
| 20:06.59 | efigaaa | :) |
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| 20:07.11 | streuner_ | efigaaa: custom kernel? |
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| 20:07.44 | Dabian | ping |
| 20:07.56 | P-K | pong |
| 20:07.57 | dondelelcaro | GNOP |
| 20:08.00 | simonrvn | poing |
| 20:08.18 | simonrvn | broadcast ping, wasn't it |
| 20:08.20 | efigaaa | i configure the kernel |
| 20:08.20 | scorphus | !mrtg |
| 20:08.21 | dpkg | somebody said mrtg was old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://www.uni-ulm.de/~rbawidam/mrtg-rrd/ |
| 20:08.29 | scorphus | !rrdtool |
| 20:08.30 | dpkg | methinks rrdtool is not as good as mrtg :) |
| 20:08.37 | greycat | lie. |
| 20:08.38 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 20:08.38 | dondelelcaro | uh, that's pointless. |
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| 20:08.45 | dondelelcaro | !factinfo rrdtool |
| 20:08.45 | dpkg | rrdtool -- created by Shorty` <~shorty@dsp-202-72-150-125.kalgoorlie.westnet.com.au> at Mon May 26 15:52:16 2003 (714 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by scorphus, 16s ago. |
| 20:08.45 | scorphus | so... what should I use? |
| 20:08.50 | [Elad] | someone can tell me please how can I convert mpeg file to vcd file please? |
| 20:08.52 | dondelelcaro | !munin |
| 20:08.53 | dpkg | munin is a information graphing system for multiple systems based on rrd. See http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/ and http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/example/ping.uio.no/else.ping.uio.no.html FE. |
| 20:09.12 | simonrvn | i like the mrtg + rrdtool combo, less overhead |
| 20:09.14 | dondelelcaro | scorphus: I'd suggest starting with munin (above) and then going to straight rrd if you need something more complex. |
| 20:09.39 | Dabian | rrrr |
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| 20:09.42 | greycat | or something simpler, too. |
| 20:09.43 | efigaaa | scorphus:/$ yes |
| 20:09.46 | exerd | hi i use tormo to display if i have new mails on my desktop but i have to configure it manualy # mail spool |
| 20:09.46 | exerd | mail_spool /home/exerd/Mail |
| 20:09.46 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.50 | scorphus | thanks, dondelelcaro |
| 20:10.03 | martin-H | OK, YESSSSs, MY PRINTER WORKS AT LEAST!!!! |
| 20:10.09 | martin-H | well, im happy |
| 20:10.11 | nn | how does one (w/ testing) get a 2.6.8-k7 kernel to boot on an athlon if it hangs at some crap early in boot about ESR vector? |
| 20:10.17 | greycat | exerd: uh, unless you configured it better, the default is /var/mail/$USER |
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| 20:10.28 | nn | i forget the exact message it's something about old ESR vector |
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| 20:10.40 | exerd | greycat, i havent configured it at all im a newbie |
| 20:10.46 | nn | any kernel options maybe? |
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| 20:10.56 | destr0__ | what's the name of the command that installs things to start/stop at boot/shutdown? |
| 20:11.03 | martin-H | Maliuta, thanks for the help |
| 20:11.28 | stew | destr0__: update-rc.d |
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| 20:11.56 | nn | ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000 is where it hangs |
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| 20:13.19 | exerd | greycat, is there any way i can see what folder its configure to? the mail. |
| 20:13.24 | S4nD3r_ | Which software P2P to install in debian using apt-get ??? |
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| 20:13.39 | nn | ok, i'll try elsewhere |
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| 20:13.58 | simonrvn | why would you want something like that? to get the latest linux warez? |
| 20:14.20 | cureless | how about an nntp server, those are sort of p2p |
| 20:14.25 | mhall | foo |
| 20:14.31 | simonrvn | oof |
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| 20:14.47 | simonrvn | @wb mhall |
| 20:14.49 | ravenbird | Welcome back mhall, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 20:15.05 | mhall | thx simonrvn |
| 20:15.08 | xnor | how do i get a usb wlan card(prism GT) to work with debian |
| 20:15.31 | mhall | hey i think my proxy server is having problems with apt-get |
| 20:15.44 | mhall | seems like it might be related to http 1.1 request pipelining |
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| 20:15.57 | mhall | how can i make it open one new socket per file request? |
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| 20:17.00 | appaji | mhall: use HTTP 1.0? in case there is some option in apt to do that? |
| 20:17.14 | mhall | appaji: that is what i am seeking, yes |
| 20:17.24 | mhall | i want to disable any and all fancy http features |
| 20:17.31 | mhall | such as pipelining and so forth |
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| 20:17.56 | appaji | mhall: use FTP then? :-) |
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| 20:18.34 | mhall | appaji: but the FTP must pass through an HTTP proxy |
| 20:18.45 | mhall | appaji: i know it's evil but i have absolutely no choice at all |
| 20:18.54 | mhall | appaji: or i would not ask |
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| 20:19.17 | appaji | mhall: well, only the apt to the proxy path is HTTP, the rest (proxy to the deb servers) would be ftp. |
| 20:19.39 | S4nD3r_ | Which update do you recommend to do in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:19.41 | mhall | appaji: but that apt -> proxy is the broken part you see |
| 20:19.44 | appaji | mhall: if your sources.list has ftp:// sources. |
| 20:19.50 | appaji | mhall: yikes! |
| 20:19.51 | S4nD3r_ | deb ftp://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 20:19.56 | S4nD3r_ | deb-src ftp://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 20:19.57 | S4nD3r_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 20:20.03 | mhall | appaji: it's a big company that likes to spy |
| 20:20.06 | S4nD3r_ | Only is in my sources.list |
| 20:20.11 | mhall | appaji: and their spyer is broken code |
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| 20:21.04 | Dabian | ahh .. when they write "AT" in the doc, they really mean I should replace it with the /dev/mywriter .. |
| 20:21.11 | S4nD3r_ | Which others could be in my sources.list ? |
| 20:21.16 | Dabian | I dunno why it doesn't accept symbolic links though. |
| 20:21.33 | greycat | S4nD3r_: what PROBLEM are you trying to solve? |
| 20:21.51 | S4nD3r_ | Neither specific |
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| 20:21.55 | smo_ | hi |
| 20:21.59 | S4nD3r_ | just Id like to install a p2p software |
| 20:22.13 | S4nD3r_ | i didnt find no one using apt-cache |
| 20:22.22 | appaji | mhall: essentially you'd like to send HTTP/1.0 with your GET requests. Since wget and apt do that in combination, I suspect you should be able to atleast hack apt to do something like that. |
| 20:22.24 | smo_ | can i get the name of hardware attached to usb??? like printer or scanner name? |
| 20:22.25 | greycat | and your question is...? |
| 20:22.30 | appaji | mhall: I am not sure though. |
| 20:22.40 | simonrvn | smo: lsusb or usbmgr or such |
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| 20:22.47 | smo_ | thx |
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| 20:23.23 | Dabian | ok .. its burning now ... |
| 20:23.32 | Dabian | Thanks for the bot. |
| 20:23.40 | greycat | S4nD3r_: is your actual question "What program may I use to copy RIAA music files in MP3 format from other people's computers to mine, without regard for my local legislation?" |
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| 20:24.02 | xpato | which its the most importan linux event (expo)? |
| 20:24.09 | S4nD3r_ | sure, could be that question |
| 20:24.11 | mhall | appaji: i am working at it |
| 20:24.15 | greycat | ~gift |
| 20:24.16 | apt | somebody said gift was an acronym for "giFT: Internet File Transfer". The giFT project is an initiative to attempt to unify the divided peer-to-peer community following Napster's demise. URL: http://gift.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 20:24.22 | Dabian | xpato : kernel release, maybe. |
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| 20:24.47 | xpato | Dabian, i meant like linuxworld conference |
| 20:25.09 | Dabian | xpato : Those conferences are good for one thing. |
| 20:25.10 | S4nD3r_ | I used aMule, but I dont remember how I installed that... |
| 20:25.22 | S4nD3r_ | because, my sources.list was damaged, then I lost it |
| 20:25.34 | sirlouka | can somebody help please. how can i run memtest during boot. i'm using grub as a boot loader. |
| 20:25.45 | xpato | i mean a expo where new products are presented? |
| 20:26.12 | Dabian | sirlouka : Enter da BIOS, turn on memory test, save your changes and reboot. :-D |
| 20:26.40 | sTone_heAd | xpato, there are many over the world |
| 20:26.40 | Dabian | S4nD3r_ : Does aMule share files with eMule? |
| 20:26.47 | simonrvn | sirlouka: init=/path/to/memtest |
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| 20:26.59 | Dabian | Fixating... |
| 20:27.06 | xpato | i know, but it has to be one that rule them all |
| 20:27.20 | sirlouka | dabian =>will that do the same tests like memtest program? |
| 20:27.33 | Dabian | xpato : You watch too much ring-movies. |
| 20:27.41 | sirlouka | it dows already a quick memory test anyway |
| 20:27.47 | sTone_heAd | xpato, not that i know, and yes you watch too much movies :D |
| 20:27.47 | Dabian | xpato : As far as that is possible. |
| 20:27.49 | xpato | :) |
| 20:28.03 | Dabian | sirlouka : Yes and no. |
| 20:28.05 | S4nD3r_ | oh... yes eMule... sure |
| 20:28.09 | abli | sirlouka, running memtest is slow. Why would you want to do it at every boot? |
| 20:28.11 | S4nD3r_ | I was wrong |
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| 20:29.12 | sirlouka | i don't want to do it at every boot. my pc just hangs up (the monitor is turning off and thats all no response to anything everything is dead |
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| 20:29.17 | brosio | anyone use thunderbird to receive local mail ? |
| 20:29.34 | Dabian | brosio : Yes. |
| 20:29.35 | sirlouka | i'm suspecting my memory is faulty. |
| 20:29.44 | abli | oh, ok |
| 20:29.44 | Dabian | brosio : I saw someone use it .. |
| 20:29.48 | stew | abrotman: are you still trying to figure out your gnomebaker problem or whatever? |
| 20:29.54 | Dabian | brosio : Or maybe I was dreaming? |
| 20:29.57 | simonrvn | sirlouka: init=/path/to/memtest86 |
| 20:30.05 | simonrvn | (for the second time) |
| 20:30.12 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. but i need a person who moved woody->sarge and used gnome the whole time .. i think |
| 20:30.15 | brosio | anyone that isn't a bot.. |
| 20:30.27 | sirlouka | thanks simonvr :) |
| 20:30.30 | abrotman | stew: the maintainer is trying to fix it .. but it's possible that it should be RC |
| 20:30.33 | Dabian | !tell brosio about bots |
| 20:31.16 | S4nD3r_ | Is there any source that I must at in to my sources.list to find not common packages ? |
| 20:31.19 | simonrvn | sirlouka: you're welcome |
| 20:31.58 | S4nD3r_ | that I must add into my sources.list |
| 20:32.04 | S4nD3r_ | is there? |
| 20:32.25 | brosio | anyone use thunderbird to receive local mail ? |
| 20:32.37 | smo_ | cupsdoprint |
| 20:32.37 | smo_ | No printer specified (and PRINTER variable is empty)???????? |
| 20:32.38 | Dabian | brosio : Yeah, I am sure someone uses it. |
| 20:32.50 | Dabian | !tell brosio about anyone |
| 20:33.19 | Dabian | :-D :-D :-D |
| 20:33.26 | Ungy | brosio I dunno I am too confused as to using 127.0.0.1 as my mail server or trying to make sure Localhost is really registered |
| 20:33.46 | S4nD3r_ | which is the best mirror to use ? |
| 20:33.50 | Dabian | Ungy : You could switch to 127.0.0.2 ? |
| 20:33.56 | exerd | how do i delete everything in a file with nano? |
| 20:33.56 | simonrvn | the one that's closest usually |
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| 20:34.05 | Dabian | Ungy : :-D |
| 20:34.12 | Ungy | ;-p |
| 20:34.18 | Dabian | exerd : You don't. |
| 20:34.22 | exerd | =( |
| 20:34.29 | appaji | brosio: ask. |
| 20:34.36 | Ungy | cat /dev/null filename |
| 20:34.40 | Dabian | exerd : You can remove all the lines and save the file. |
| 20:34.47 | simonrvn | echo : > file |
| 20:34.50 | Dabian | Ungy copy works |
| 20:35.02 | Ungy | whoops forgot the > |
| 20:35.07 | exerd | Dabian, yea but its alot of lines in the file and i want to delete all lines at once |
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| 20:35.11 | Dabian | exerd : You want the file deleted? |
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| 20:35.20 | exerd | nope the lines in it |
| 20:35.28 | Dabian | exerd : You can empty the file like this: |
| 20:35.28 | diego | Oi |
| 20:35.36 | Ungy | exerd I can;t believe you are actually bugging us abotu this |
| 20:35.42 | Dabian | exerd : cp /dev/null yourfilename |
| 20:35.54 | Dabian | exerd : You will loose anything in the file though, |
| 20:35.56 | exerd | thanks |
| 20:36.00 | Ungy | exerd delete the file and recreate iit |
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| 20:36.15 | S4nD3r_ | which is the best mirror to use ? |
| 20:36.21 | greycat | simonrvn: but that's how csh users are taught to do it, since their horrid shell can't do > file |
| 20:36.27 | Ungy | S4nD3r_ depends on where you are |
| 20:36.40 | S4nD3r_ | in Brazil |
| 20:36.47 | greycat | !br |
| 20:36.47 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:37.06 | S4nD3r_ | I just would like to know, if emule is installed using apt-get ? |
| 20:37.08 | stew | S4nD3r_: try www.br.debian.org |
| 20:37.14 | greycat | S4nD3r_: packages.debian.org |
| 20:37.14 | simonrvn | greycat: oh my. that sucks |
| 20:37.16 | Dabian | dpkg : Por favor :-) |
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| 20:37.22 | diego | My name and Diego. Work with Linux the little time. Much pleasure |
| 20:37.23 | directhex | S4nD3r_, amule has a package. and xmule too i think. |
| 20:37.35 | greycat | !br |
| 20:37.35 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:37.43 | Ungy | !es |
| 20:37.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:38.08 | S4nD3r_ | but its not found by apt-cache |
| 20:38.10 | S4nD3r_ | xmule |
| 20:38.13 | S4nD3r_ | neither emule |
| 20:38.19 | directhex | S4nD3r_, which version of debian are you running? |
| 20:38.22 | greycat | is it found on packages.debian.org? |
| 20:38.26 | S4nD3r_ | sarge |
| 20:38.28 | greycat | directhex: sarge, main only. |
| 20:38.33 | directhex | !info amule sarge |
| 20:38.34 | greycat | directhex: he pasted sources.list earlier |
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| 20:38.45 | simonrvn | please don't /msg me |
| 20:39.26 | diego | Somebody says Portuguese here? |
| 20:39.32 | directhex | oh, hang on |
| 20:39.36 | directhex | !info amule sid |
| 20:39.40 | greycat | diego: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, /JOIN #DEBIAN-BR |
| 20:39.41 | Ungy | !br |
| 20:39.41 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:39.42 | dpkg | amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.6+rc8-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2329 kB, Installed size: 6872 kB |
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| 20:40.33 | Ungy | diego "/j #debian-br" |
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| 20:41.15 | tarzeau | telnet linuks.mine.nu |
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| 20:41.20 | diego | What it has others I to remain in this canal? |
| 20:41.35 | tarzeau | (finally i've edited my public sources.list to not have contrib or non-free anymore) |
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| 20:43.02 | Ungy | Diego isto é a canaleta inglesa se você necessitar a ajuda no português juntar por favor # debian-Br |
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| 20:43.17 | Dabian | tarzeau : Congratulations! |
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| 20:43.27 | diego | Ok, I go to leave. But before answers I, doque if he treats this? X-chat? |
| 20:43.28 | ali7288 | i have a very weird file that i can't change the permission of and can't delete even if i am root! |
| 20:43.38 | L00thar | Heya. Is there some #powertweak channel somewhere? |
| 20:43.38 | ali7288 | what can the problem be? |
| 20:43.52 | greycat | ali7288: read-only file system, corrupt file system, NFS mounted, ... |
| 20:43.55 | lewis | anyone here got qpopper to work with maildirs? |
| 20:44.05 | greycat | lewis: use courier-pop instead |
| 20:44.13 | lewis | any reason? |
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| 20:44.19 | greycat | because qpopper does mbox. |
| 20:44.26 | tarzeau | L00thar: for windows? |
| 20:44.28 | ali7288 | the file is in the trash... |
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| 20:44.59 | ali7288 | ?--S-wSr-x these are the priv settings right now |
| 20:45.01 | ali7288 | what the hell? |
| 20:45.05 | greycat | looks like corruption. |
| 20:45.16 | greycat | unmount, fsck, remount, pray. |
| 20:45.19 | slugbug | Hello. I'm trying to recieve my mail from the Earthlink smtp server with Fetchmail, but when fetchmail connects to the local SMTP server and tries to put it in my mailbox it shows a "550 Administrative prohibition" |
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| 20:45.54 | slugbug | I'm using exim4 and have everything configured right, I think. |
| 20:46.02 | slugbug | Except for that part |
| 20:46.22 | S4nD3r_ | Which mirror is more recommended to have in sources.list ???? |
| 20:46.27 | L00thar | tarzeau: Linux |
| 20:46.35 | slugbug | S3nD3r_ |
| 20:46.37 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r_: that depends on where you are and who your upstream is. |
| 20:46.44 | slugbug | S3nD3r_: whichever is closest |
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| 20:46.54 | S4nD3r_ | about 1MB |
| 20:46.55 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r_: use apt-spy; or similar to figure it out. Furthermore, lose the extra punctuation. |
| 20:47.00 | S4nD3r_ | I am in brazil |
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| 20:47.15 | slugbug | Anyone ever had these 550 administrative prohibition errors with Exim4? |
| 20:47.35 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 20:47.35 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:47.51 | mwelsh | is there a way to measure hard drive write speeds in linux? |
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| 20:48.07 | cureless | mwelsh: like hdparm or bonnie? |
| 20:48.09 | Kerpal2 | slugbug: i haven't but, you may not want to poll us. you will get alot of no's |
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| 20:48.32 | xort | how do i preoply edit sudousers? i've tried adding user in there but keeps saying password fails |
| 20:48.40 | Kerpal2 | slugbug: maybe you hit some sort of spam number, attachment number, password policiy, or your mailbox is full.. i dunno. |
| 20:48.54 | pkern | Did anyone manage to remap the apple key on a mac to the control key? |
| 20:48.57 | tarzeau | xort: visudo |
| 20:48.59 | pkern | (under X11) |
| 20:49.03 | S4nD3r_ | I asked which is the best |
| 20:49.14 | xort | !visudo |
| 20:49.15 | xort | ups |
| 20:49.18 | S4nD3r_ | if Im in Brazil, Africa, is not matter |
| 20:49.44 | S4nD3r_ | which is the best mirror in USA? |
| 20:49.48 | Dabian | jejejeje |
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| 20:50.06 | cureless | S4nD3r_: depends where you are in the USA. |
| 20:50.12 | S4nD3r_ | lol |
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| 20:50.14 | streuner_ | S4nD3r_: us mirror point to multiple mirrors, AFAIK |
| 20:50.15 | Ungy | S4nD3r_ go to #debian-br please and ask there |
| 20:50.17 | Dabian | pkern : I would probably map it as Meta. |
| 20:50.20 | Ry12 | what command is it to search for an installed package |
| 20:50.21 | slugbug | so, I can telnet to the local Exim4 and try to send a mail, it accepts HELO localhost and MAIL FROM: but when I try to tell it RCPT TO: it responds with 550 |
| 20:50.23 | S4nD3r_ | No |
| 20:50.24 | Dabian | pkern : Try #debian-ppc |
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| 20:50.32 | xort | tarzeau i have xort ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 20:50.33 | Kerpal2 | some apple stuff: but i jsut became dissentrasted: http://doublecommand.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:50.35 | S4nD3r_ | This is not my first time here |
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| 20:50.45 | tarzeau | xort: i have www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 20:50.45 | xort | tarzeau neverthe less it does not work |
| 20:50.47 | S4nD3r_ | I got a lot of help here, in my first contact with debian |
| 20:50.54 | tarzeau | xort: i think you have a typo |
| 20:51.02 | streuner_ | S4nD3r_: why didn't you take the advice of someone and run 'apt-spy' |
| 20:51.14 | streuner_ | ? |
| 20:51.17 | tarzeau | xort: looks ok, and what do you type? |
| 20:51.18 | lewis | greycat: ok - i installed your courier-pop, and removed qpopper. thinks partly work. I have a custom maildir directory name, and have edited /etc/courier/pop3d's MAILDIRPATH at the bottom, and restarted, though still having problems |
| 20:51.20 | Ungy | S4nD3r_ why ask what is best mirror for Brazil here when #debian-br could tell you |
| 20:51.22 | S4nD3r_ | I didnt take note, but someone gave me a mirror that I added, than, I got install many other packages that I cant now. |
| 20:51.32 | exerd | i have a amd 3200+ but my cpu usage is at 98% is that correct or is something wrong? |
| 20:51.49 | cureless | S4nD3r_: apt-spy might be what you want. |
| 20:51.56 | xort | tarzeau well, i copied the string from root. to test it, i say `sudo cat /etc/sudousers` |
| 20:51.57 | m4lu6 | apt-spy, eh? never heard of it. but i see that i might like it. |
| 20:52.14 | pkern | How to load key mappings on-the-fly on X11? |
| 20:52.15 | S4nD3r_ | apt-spy update !? |
| 20:52.23 | cureless | exerd: if you are doing something, maybe it's correct. On an idle system something is "wrong". |
| 20:52.25 | tarzeau | pkern: setkbmap |
| 20:52.34 | tarzeau | pkern: setxkbmap even |
| 20:52.39 | pkern | tarzeau: Thanks... I lost the command somehow. |: |
| 20:52.46 | greycat | xort: that's not even the right filename. |
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| 20:52.47 | exerd | cureless, its pretty idle i just listen to music and chat on irc. what could be wrong? |
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| 20:52.53 | pkern | Cool. Works. |
| 20:53.01 | cureless | pkern: xmodmap works too |
| 20:53.03 | pkern | Seems much more mac-ish. |
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| 20:53.23 | m4lu6 | now that's just a pretty cool little app. |
| 20:53.34 | xort | greycat indeed :) but should accept the password anyway |
| 20:53.35 | cureless | exerd: I don't know, run top, see what comes out on top. |
| 20:54.07 | xort | xort and i used autocompeltion in terminal, which means i got the right filename :) |
| 20:54.10 | xort | duh |
| 20:54.11 | exerd | cureless, 6864 exerd 25 0 29220 20m 9096 R 93.6 8.1 113:43.26 gnome-help |
| 20:54.12 | lewis | greycat: anything I need to think about when trying to set courier to look for a custom maildir name |
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| 20:54.33 | npx | Guerin, you there |
| 20:54.46 | cureless | exerd: there you go, gnome-help doesn't seem to be helping. |
| 20:55.08 | exerd | cureless, how do i disable it? |
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| 20:55.50 | Klo | quick question, does anyone know of any sites that provide kernel images with raid support compiled in? |
| 20:56.06 | xort | tarzeau so, any ideas? |
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| 20:56.20 | tarzeau | xort: nop |
| 20:56.23 | Dabian | Klo : http://www.debian.org .. you might need initrd though. |
| 20:56.23 | ThePunisher | hi |
| 20:56.27 | tarzeau | xort: tried looking at my conf file? |
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| 20:56.55 | tarzeau | xort: i only really use the bottom 3 lines, the other is in, because it was in by default |
| 20:57.04 | tarzeau | actually i also add make to it |
| 20:57.28 | exerd | cureless, how do i disable it? |
| 20:57.32 | xort | tarzeau well, those are for applications, aren't they? and i want a user :) |
| 20:57.39 | cureless | exerd: just kill it for now |
| 20:57.54 | tarzeau | xort: a user to be able to run a few applications |
| 20:57.56 | S4nD3r_ | I have no sources.list.... |
| 20:58.01 | S4nD3r_ | How to create one ??? |
| 20:58.05 | tarzeau | S4nD3r_: telnet linuks.mine.nu > sources.list |
| 20:58.08 | exerd | cureless, sorry im newb how do i kill it? =( |
| 20:58.11 | S4nD3r_ | Is there anyway to do it automatically ??? |
| 20:58.35 | xort | so, the applications will have to be listed there as well? |
| 20:58.40 | cureless | exerd: kill 6864 |
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| 20:58.52 | exerd | cureless, will it start up at next reboot? |
| 20:59.03 | tarzeau | xort: probably not, but i never allow any user to do everything |
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| 20:59.21 | cureless | exerd: I don't know if it's a startup thing or a app that you run when you click on a button, I don't run gnome. |
| 20:59.41 | cureless | exerd: but for sure killing it now won't affect you in the long run, if that's what you're asking. |
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| 20:59.42 | npx | tarzeau, that's my philosophy, too. Just give them enough rope to hang themselves, not enough to lynch you too. |
| 20:59.53 | tarzeau | npx: exactly! |
| 20:59.54 | xort | tarzeau well, i'm the only user on this machine, so i do not see a problem, and i want to be able execute some stuff with sudo, without `su`ing to the user |
| 21:00.04 | tarzeau | xort: then get root, to do it |
| 21:00.11 | xophEr | how can I manage ssh user-accounts and password? |
| 21:00.11 | tarzeau | xort: but only give the command that you need often |
| 21:00.12 | exerd | cureless, i dont even use gnome =) i use fluxbox |
| 21:00.18 | exerd | so its pretty strange |
| 21:00.24 | pipeline | In an intel 845gv machine, loading a kernel causes it to reboot instantly. This happens both booting off of an install disc and booting off of a hard drive with grub. What should I try? |
| 21:00.29 | abrotman | Diego: why did you msg me ? |
| 21:00.30 | xort | tarzeau i'm the root, but i wanted to use su |
| 21:00.34 | sirlouka | simonrvn: do i set the init=path-to-memtest at the first line of the inittab before si::sysinit: line? (i'm new to this stuff) |
| 21:00.40 | xort | tarzeau erm... sudo |
| 21:00.42 | abrotman | !tell Diego about msg |
| 21:00.45 | abrotman | !tell Diego about guidelines |
| 21:00.45 | S4nD3r_ | Is there anyway to create a sources.list automatically ??? |
| 21:00.47 | tarzeau | xort: well do it like in my config then |
| 21:00.50 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: apt-setup |
| 21:00.52 | tarzeau | xort: for the commands you need |
| 21:00.53 | npx | xort, su -c "command" works too |
| 21:00.55 | Dabian | abrotman : In a vain attempt to annoy you, I guess. |
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| 21:01.09 | tarzeau | npx: he doesn't want to type the password of root, i guess |
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| 21:01.14 | npx | ahh |
| 21:01.14 | tk_ | What is the easiest desktop package to install onto debian? |
| 21:01.16 | xort | well, i wanna know why does my sodoers file doe snot work |
| 21:01.17 | Dabian | .bin maybe? |
| 21:01.20 | tarzeau | tk_: gnustep |
| 21:01.22 | tk_ | And can you have more than one at once? |
| 21:01.23 | npx | xort, it's insanely complicated |
| 21:01.30 | tarzeau | tk_: yes |
| 21:01.30 | npx | dpkg, tell xort about sudo |
| 21:02.11 | xort | npx okay, factoid looks good enough, thnx |
| 21:02.58 | xort | however, npx, my config looks exactly as an example, only wiht a different username, and stil ldoes not accept the root pwd :/ |
| 21:03.09 | npx | xort, if you don't want to ever mess with sudo: alias sudo='su -c' |
| 21:03.29 | npx | put that in /etc/profile or ~/.profile or something (I forget what all the permutations of bash init files do...) |
| 21:03.37 | xort | npx but that is not a solution, imo |
| 21:03.47 | npx | why not? you'd never tell the difference. |
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| 21:04.29 | xort | mm, sudo is logged, and provides pwd memorizaiton for 5 minutes... :) |
| 21:04.48 | npx | I just use su -c to launch a root shell most of the time |
| 21:04.52 | npx | out of habit |
| 21:04.55 | cureless | and doesn't use the root password |
| 21:05.07 | npx | but i mean seriously, are you guys concerned with tty snooping?! |
| 21:05.41 | sirlouka | to run memtest at boot do i just change inittab and add a line in there?anybody? |
| 21:06.04 | abrotman | i use the ISO |
| 21:06.05 | Jon | anyone know if the xfree86 DSA is going to hit testing as suggested when it froze? |
| 21:06.06 | npx | if you use sudo and let your use run all programs as root without providing a password, why not just... run as root? anyone with the werewithal to pwn your b0x will surely try sudo |
| 21:06.14 | primoz | sirlouka, you boot memtest86 as it would be linux kernel |
| 21:06.21 | primoz | no init ... no linux kernel |
| 21:06.22 | primoz | ;)) |
| 21:06.39 | sirlouka | how to i do that primoz. do i edit grub menu.lst ? |
| 21:06.45 | primoz | sirlouka, yes |
| 21:06.49 | primoz | add another entry |
| 21:06.56 | primoz | to /boot/memtest ... whatever ....bin |
| 21:07.19 | primoz | DON'T OVERWRITE any current entry ;) |
| 21:07.33 | Diego | Good night. I am with problems of connection with dialed line somebody can help me to configure my modem? |
| 21:07.48 | npx | Diego, sure - it's a PPP setup, right? |
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| 21:08.14 | xort | npx also alising that would mean that i'd have to alis it to 'su root -c' cauase it won't take just su -c |
| 21:08.19 | abrotman | !br |
| 21:08.20 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:08.22 | sirlouka | there is a line starting with kernel then /boot/path-to-image. to i just add over there /boot/path to memtest? |
| 21:08.25 | npx | xort, yes it would |
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| 21:08.29 | npx | su assumes you want superuser access |
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| 21:08.34 | npx | hence the name, su |
| 21:08.37 | Diego | No |
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| 21:08.59 | npx | Diego, SLIP, then? |
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| 21:09.14 | xort | npx, hence i want the god damn sudo :) no offense |
| 21:09.20 | Diego | E only configuration |
| 21:09.34 | Diego | is only configuration |
| 21:09.34 | npx | xort, so configure it! I'm not stopping you |
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| 21:09.57 | prodope | isn't su short for switch user? |
| 21:10.08 | xort | npx i showed yiou my configuration, i copy pasted the line with root, i do not see why would it not work. i just replaced a username |
| 21:10.13 | npx | Diego, I don't follow you - is english your native language? if not, there are a bunch of other #debian channels |
| 21:10.18 | npx | xort, I didn't see it |
| 21:10.20 | Dabian | prodope : Super User. |
| 21:10.22 | primoz | sirlouka, after you copy it yes |
| 21:10.27 | xort | npx didn't see what? |
| 21:10.35 | npx | your sudo config |
| 21:10.36 | Diego | sorry |
| 21:10.44 | npx | Diego, it's okay - what's your native language? |
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| 21:10.54 | Diego | join /debian-br |
| 21:10.58 | xort | npx care to join #flood ? |
| 21:11.01 | npx | sure |
| 21:11.04 | Diego | join debian-br |
| 21:11.06 | Diego | ? |
| 21:11.14 | npx | Diego, yeah that sounds right =) |
| 21:11.33 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! What package should i install to ge javac? thanks |
| 21:11.42 | abrotman | !tell K_Dallas about install java |
| 21:11.45 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 21:11.47 | Diego | It can transfer me to debian-br I am with communication difficulties. |
| 21:12.07 | abrotman | Diego: /j #debian-br |
| 21:12.15 | Diego | Obrigado |
| 21:12.18 | sirlouka | primoz: thanks |
| 21:12.35 | abrotman | dpkg: translate obrigado |
| 21:12.43 | primoz | sirlouka, you've added mem test just as it would be another kernel? |
| 21:12.52 | primoz | don't modify any current kernel entry |
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| 21:13.46 | sirlouka | yes |
| 21:14.41 | sirlouka | the pc just died primoz. i didn't have the chnace to try it. |
| 21:14.56 | primoz | sirlouka, ? |
| 21:15.06 | schippes | hello, i have noticed that in /etc/rcS.d i have both S02mountvirtfs and S36mountvirtfs ... I dont think this is a sane configuration ... should i remove the latter ? |
| 21:15.17 | tk_ | Can I install a desktop from a bash shell? |
| 21:15.22 | tk_ | Or is that asking a bit much? |
| 21:15.28 | sirlouka | thats the problem. It is working ok and then suddenly the monitor turns off and no reposnse complete dead |
| 21:15.46 | pkern | tk_: From a running Debian base-system? |
| 21:15.47 | sirlouka | i'm thinking it might be bad memory thats why want to run memtest at boot |
| 21:16.04 | primoz | it shouldn't be ... most likely PSU or overheated CPU |
| 21:16.10 | S4nD3r_ | Id like to use P2P to get manuals, tutorials, and maybe softwares cracked |
| 21:16.19 | npx | lol |
| 21:16.25 | sirlouka | CPU looks ok 44 degrees checked that at bios |
| 21:16.26 | npx | "and... maybe a little juarez" |
| 21:16.29 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: wrong channel |
| 21:16.39 | npx | try #gift |
| 21:16.49 | abrotman | or #warez |
| 21:16.52 | abrotman | or efnet :) |
| 21:17.02 | sirlouka | PSU is the other option i need to check. basically i'm stuck :) |
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| 21:17.04 | stew | !warez |
| 21:17.04 | dpkg | from memory, warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
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| 21:17.10 | stew | !list |
| 21:17.10 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
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| 21:17.39 | lewis | heh - i just updated a few files, so when I login via SSH, it checks maildir, instead of a mbox, but now it says 'You have newmail' - missing a space - any ideas? |
| 21:17.48 | mikeX | ubergeek ... lol |
| 21:18.01 | npx | Warning : Qualcomm is 'not amused' by this |
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| 21:18.08 | npx | hahaha nice |
| 21:19.12 | K_Dallas | ok, i tried to figure out what dpkg meant about java but i do not seem to find either make-jpkg nor make-kpkg! |
| 21:19.15 | abrotman | !efnet |
| 21:19.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, efnet is the Eris Free Network - IRC With Script Kiddies. Servers: (US) irc.core.com irc.mcs.net irc.concentric.net irc.prison.net irc.lagged.org (EU) irc.ins.net.uk irc.homelien.no irc.isdnet.fr efnet.demon.co.uk, or efnet.vuurwerk.nl, or a piece of split, pardon the pun, see SFILOE, or http://efnet.net/serverlist.html or efnet is a joke. --lazarus |
| 21:19.52 | abrotman | K_Dallas: install it |
| 21:19.52 | K_Dallas | cannot find it in synaptic! |
| 21:19.52 | K_Dallas | any particular repos? |
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| 21:19.59 | stew | K_Dallas: java-package |
| 21:20.06 | K_Dallas | let me see, thanks |
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| 21:20.14 | stew | K_Dallas: its in sarge and sid if you need it in woody download it from pdo |
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| 21:20.43 | K_Dallas | i use sarge and i just see java-common |
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| 21:21.01 | plugwash | !start a flamewar |
| 21:21.01 | dpkg | Finnish is better than Swedish |
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| 21:21.04 | stew | K_Dallas: its in contrib |
| 21:21.14 | K_Dallas | ok, i try to find it |
| 21:21.32 | stew | !contrib |
| 21:21.32 | dpkg | from memory, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
| 21:21.33 | nevyn | dpkg: damn straight the finns gave us linux all the sweedish did was give us IKEA |
| 21:21.57 | npx | nice engrish |
| 21:22.12 | K_Dallas | thanks StevenK |
| 21:22.14 | K_Dallas | oops |
| 21:22.17 | K_Dallas | stew :) |
| 21:22.21 | npx | teh sveeds r da dummeeheds |
| 21:22.53 | npx | really though, sweden has it all. Mountains, blondes with enormous tits, fields of marijuana, broadband from border to border, a non-extradition treaty |
| 21:22.55 | mikeX | http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=1086 <- lOOOl |
| 21:23.03 | mikeX | oops, wrong chan |
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| 21:23.25 | JoshH | lol |
| 21:23.34 | JoshH | npx: ya, sweden is nice, for sure |
| 21:23.38 | abrotman | did uhm .. security.debian.org take a dump? |
| 21:23.53 | Paavo | What's wrong with www.debian.org? |
| 21:23.57 | abrotman | mikeX: stop .. i haven't caught up yet :) |
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| 21:24.11 | cureless | no w.d.o here either |
| 21:24.17 | abrotman | s.d.o ? |
| 21:24.22 | mikeX | : D |
| 21:24.30 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 21:24.32 | Paavo | w.d.o responds to a ping, but not to port 80 connections. |
| 21:24.38 | abrotman | gluck died!!! |
| 21:24.44 | abrotman | (unless it's not gluck anymore) |
| 21:24.56 | npx | w.d.o seems fine from here... |
| 21:25.03 | abrotman | oh .. it's not |
| 21:25.07 | npx | ahh, just cached |
| 21:25.13 | npx | false positive! |
| 21:25.47 | abrotman | bye klecker .. we knew ye well |
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| 21:26.09 | nevyn | master.d.o |
| 21:26.46 | abrotman | nevyn: que? |
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| 21:27.54 | tarzeau | takatumi: hey |
| 21:28.01 | S4nD3r_ | If I want to install all softwares to develop??? How to do ? |
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| 21:28.09 | nevyn | S4nD3r_: develop what? |
| 21:28.11 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: huh? |
| 21:28.14 | takatumi | tarzeau: hey :) |
| 21:28.15 | abrotman | build-essential ? |
| 21:28.27 | S4nD3r_ | C, java, C++ |
| 21:28.29 | S4nD3r_ | PHP |
| 21:28.37 | lewis | bah - every time I login now, I have 'You have newmail' - missing a space - any idea which file I need to add a space to? |
| 21:28.56 | S4nD3r_ | Id like to install eclipse using apt-get install, but I didnt. |
| 21:28.58 | abrotman | do you even develop those? ..because most people who develop them .. at least know what tools they need .. even if they don't know how to set them up |
| 21:29.01 | tarzeau | takatumi: tried bub-n-bros.sf.net yet? |
| 21:29.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: you addict! |
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| 21:29.34 | nevyn | S4nD3r_: tarzeau hi. |
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| 21:29.39 | BucWheat | sup all |
| 21:29.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: do NOT show that to Phated! :) |
| 21:29.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh will do :) |
| 21:29.56 | abrotman | shit |
| 21:29.57 | tarzeau | Phated: ;) |
| 21:30.01 | abrotman | Phated's awake! |
| 21:30.04 | takatumi | tarzeau: checking |
| 21:30.11 | Phated | Yes, she usually is. |
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| 21:30.36 | Phated | Heh, wtf. |
| 21:30.36 | abrotman | oh right .. toresbesmited your sleep schedule eh? :) |
| 21:30.36 | K_Dallas | is there only one security repos ? It seems that is the slowest repos to get updates from |
| 21:30.37 | BucWheat | what is wrong with my syntax chown mysql:www-data -R /var/tmp/dir ; chmod u+s /var/tmp/dir ; chmod g+s /var/tmp/dir ? |
| 21:30.37 | Phated | abrotman: Shutup. |
| 21:30.38 | abrotman | K_Dallas: it's down atm |
| 21:30.44 | K_Dallas | i see, thank you |
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| 21:30.55 | BucWheat | after running that the www-data user cannot remove files :( |
| 21:30.59 | BucWheat | what am i missing? |
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| 21:31.20 | S4nD3r_ | How do I install all gnome packages ? |
| 21:31.33 | streuner_ | S4nD3r_: apt-get install gnome |
| 21:31.36 | tarzeau | S4nD3r_: are you sure [N/y]? |
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| 21:31.43 | streuner_ | haha |
| 21:31.56 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm menu |
| 21:32.02 | K_Dallas | S4nD3r_, why dont you run synaptic and get accustomed to? |
| 21:32.05 | abrotman | (just to make sure) |
| 21:32.15 | BucWheat | abrotman: got any ideas? |
| 21:32.35 | BucWheat | when i su to www-data user i can't remove from the /var/tmp/dir directory |
| 21:33.08 | stew | !wikifaq BucWheat Permissions |
| 21:33.09 | dpkg | BucWheat: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:33.22 | BucWheat | k |
| 21:33.40 | S4nD3r_ | K_Dallas, I didnt know synaptic |
| 21:33.45 | S4nD3r_ | I will look that |
| 21:34.19 | abrotman | BucWheat: delete requires +x iirc |
| 21:34.28 | abrotman | though .. that seems silly |
| 21:34.31 | abrotman | so i'm probably wrong |
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| 21:34.36 | K_Dallas | of course. it is visual and helped me when i was newer than what i am now ;) |
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| 21:34.50 | bbrazil | abrotman: it requires -wx |
| 21:34.51 | abrotman | K_Dallas: death begins at birth |
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| 21:35.12 | K_Dallas | ;) does it really makes any sense? ;) |
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| 21:35.22 | K_Dallas | abrotman, ciao! |
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| 21:35.32 | lilliput | re |
| 21:35.38 | lilliput | got an error .. |
| 21:35.50 | lilliput | An error occurred while loading http://www.debian.org/: Timeout on server Connection was to www.debian.org at port 80 |
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| 21:36.00 | lilliput | is debian.org down ? |
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| 21:36.23 | mrtoth | Hi! Is there any way to copy files securely from crontab to an other server without using scp/ssh? |
| 21:36.32 | ctmnz | maybe somebody DoSs-ed debian site :-) |
| 21:36.33 | cheal | lilliput: according to rumor |
| 21:36.39 | K_Dallas | everything seems to go down at one time or another these days! what is wrong with the world? no credit card, no google, no debian! |
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| 21:37.58 | lilliput | google was a dns pb ;. here the host doesn't answer |
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| 21:38.02 | stew | lilliput: try one of the www.xx.debian.org mirrors where xx is a country code, like us | uk | au | br... |
| 21:38.03 | lilliput | K_Dallas, |
| 21:38.03 | jla | mrtoth sure, use a floppy or some other courrier based method, or an encrypted network filesystem mount or secure ftp or something. What are you looking for? |
| 21:39.23 | lilliput | stew, thx |
| 21:39.40 | K_Dallas | stew, no Canada mirror :( |
| 21:39.49 | Paavo | .uk works |
| 21:39.50 | lilliput | uk is working |
| 21:39.59 | lilliput | :) |
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| 21:40.02 | K_Dallas | uk is ok |
| 21:40.13 | mrtoth | jla: I have the problem, that both servers have an ssh2 server from CVS. And pubkey authentication doesn't works, and nobody can repair it. It is not permitted to me, to change this, but i have to backup the Database every day |
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| 21:40.40 | ciaron | what're the main differences between motif and gtk? |
| 21:40.49 | jla | mrtoth secure ftp or stunnel? |
| 21:41.14 | jla | mrtoth non-cvs ssh on a different port? |
| 21:41.27 | nevyn | ciaron: well.. they're both ugly... and they're both c based.. got me. |
| 21:41.37 | mrtoth | jla. Is secure ftp a standalone package, i can use? |
| 21:42.05 | ciaron | what i really mean is, give the choice of using an app in either, which should i choose? |
| 21:42.19 | nevyn | ciaron: gtk |
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| 21:42.37 | ciaron | nevyn: any reason? |
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| 21:43.03 | mrtoth | jla: I dont want to make any big changes on this system, there is debian installed on that, i can use apt, but i don't want to compile antything, because my ass will kicked :) |
| 21:43.25 | K_Dallas | JAVA: so i installed java-package. Now should i get Java from Sun in RPM form or ...? and it would only works on only SE1.3, right? |
| 21:43.50 | jla | mrtoth I'm sure there's a package. I'm apt-cache searching now. If you do the same maybe we'll find it faster. |
| 21:44.06 | nevyn | ciaron: it's less ugly by a very small margin. |
| 21:44.10 | jla | mrtoth why not use the distro ssh on a different port? |
| 21:44.12 | mrtoth | jla: what would you recommend? twoftpd or vsftpd |
| 21:44.15 | ciaron | K_Dallas: not the rpm, the other self extracting binary |
| 21:44.22 | stew | K_Dallas: not the rpm, the "linux" one |
| 21:44.30 | ciaron | and it works with all versions, i've just installed 1.5 (03) with it |
| 21:44.35 | K_Dallas | ok, thank you |
| 21:44.38 | nevyn | ciaron: seriously motif is a hack on ancient proprietary unix crud. gtk is a free software toolkit |
| 21:44.43 | K_Dallas | good to know |
| 21:44.53 | ciaron | nevyn: ok, cheers |
| 21:44.59 | bucky | ciaron, motif is from the cde days.. do you want to go back to that? |
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| 21:45.10 | jla | mrtoth I'd double check if either support ssl ftp (sftp) first. I'm not sure which one does. |
| 21:45.23 | nevyn | bucky: we have.. gnome 2.0 |
| 21:45.36 | bucky | HA HA |
| 21:45.45 | mrtoth | jla: Ok, i try them. Thank you for your help. |
| 21:46.12 | bucky | nevyn, well we can always use kde which is QT/SCO based |
| 21:46.36 | nevyn | SCO? |
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| 21:46.47 | jla | mrtoth lftp says it supports sftp |
| 21:47.11 | K_Dallas | so i am getting ****1.5***.bin |
| 21:47.33 | ciaron | K_Dallas: yep |
| 21:47.37 | nevyn | K_Dallas: 1.5.01 I thought |
| 21:47.42 | bucky | nevyn, Only the old QT libraries are *free*. SCO is a share holder in QT |
| 21:47.50 | K_Dallas | how did you get 1.5 03, i am getting 02 :) |
| 21:48.00 | ciaron | the command you want to run is "make-jpkg <blah>" |
| 21:48.05 | mrtoth | jla: thank you: is vsftpd an sftp server? because i can't decide, that very secure ftp server means sftp, or just an ftp server, that works :) |
| 21:48.05 | ciaron | took me a little while to find that out |
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| 21:48.10 | bucky | unless they changed their license lately and even then SCO is a shareholder |
| 21:48.16 | K_Dallas | mrtoth, thanks, i just installed java-package |
| 21:48.20 | nevyn | bucky: umm no. qt 3.x is dual gpl/qpl licenced crack monkey |
| 21:48.28 | jla | mrtoth I might have the s in the wrong place too :) I don't know. looking. |
| 21:48.42 | Dabian | nevyn : gpl rocks. |
| 21:48.55 | jla | mrtoth it's web page says it supports ssl encryption |
| 21:49.28 | mrtoth | jla: thank you! |
| 21:49.37 | mrtoth | K_Dallas: You are welcome :D |
| 21:49.44 | bucky | nevyn, http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/investors.html still lists SCO as an owner |
| 21:49.47 | nevyn | bucky: sco is not long for this world. |
| 21:49.56 | Dabian | bucky : I think nevyn was suggesting that you're a primate who smokes drugs (crack). |
| 21:50.00 | nevyn | sco is irrelevant. |
| 21:50.23 | pipeline | nevyn, bucky : The sad and silly thing was that SCO was on a reasonably solid footing before the lawsuits. They were in the black, at least. |
| 21:50.26 | Dabian | nevyn : They're fun .. their OS always sucked compared to real unix. |
| 21:50.30 | bucky | QT is a commercial company that is partly owned by SCO |
| 21:50.37 | nevyn | so. |
| 21:50.38 | Dabian | pipeline : really? |
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| 21:50.48 | nevyn | mysql ab is a commercial company as well. |
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| 21:50.58 | nevyn | so is the company that develops gnu ada |
| 21:51.02 | pipeline | Dabian: No, I made it up. *rolleyes* |
| 21:51.14 | nevyn | so is the company that develops gnu cc etc |
| 21:51.27 | pipeline | Dabian: Also, "real UNIX" my eye. SCO owns the reference implementation of SVR4.2-MP. |
| 21:51.37 | smo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.37 | smo_ | I [09/May/2005:23:51:00 +0200] Hint: Do you have ESP Ghostscript installed? |
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| 21:51.40 | bucky | mysql ab doesn't have SCO as a shareholder and a SCO exec on the board |
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| 21:51.42 | smo_ | wich package do i need?? |
| 21:51.43 | pipeline | nevyn: Cygnus was bought out by redhat ;_; |
| 21:51.45 | smo_ | please |
| 21:52.01 | nevyn | pipeline: oh right. that was those wacky .com things. |
| 21:52.04 | pipeline | smo_: You need the non-free ghostscript. |
| 21:52.22 | smo_ | u know the exact name?? |
| 21:52.28 | pipeline | nevyn: Cygnus has been around since the early nineties. Not exactly a dotcom. |
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| 21:52.39 | nevyn | pipeline: I ment rh buying them. |
| 21:52.40 | Dabian | pipeline : I thought so. :) |
| 21:52.50 | nevyn | pipeline: cygnus was profitable. |
| 21:53.02 | bucky | cygnus was started by gilmore |
| 21:53.07 | jp- | anyone every used hypermail? if i check a mailbox with mutt (1085 messages in this case) and run hypermail to generate archives, the archives report 1082 messages, wondering if anyone else has seen issues like this and know what might be the cause? |
| 21:53.10 | pipeline | smo_: I do not. I was merely warning you that it's in the non-free section, so you may not have it in your package database by default. |
| 21:53.11 | nevyn | at the time rh wasn't |
| 21:53.17 | Dabian | pipeline : Anyhow .. I will stop feeding the trolls. |
| 21:53.20 | bucky | i guess Sun is a dotcom |
| 21:53.33 | pipeline | Dabian: Reference implementation. Meaning that UnixWare was THE implementation of UNIX. |
| 21:53.36 | exerd | i edited my .Xdefaults to change the look of aterm but it doesnt work what could be wrong? |
| 21:53.38 | nevyn | sun is the dot in dotbomb |
| 21:53.55 | Dabian | pipeline : Your memory is short. Do you know LISP, and is it common? |
| 21:54.04 | bucky | that's why we have so many Java questions around here |
| 21:54.07 | pipeline | Dabian: Of course, it also cost like ten thousand bucks for a reasonable license, hence its unpopularity. SCO couldn't persuade their existing OpenServer customers to migrate. |
| 21:54.12 | BucWheat | well i'm out |
| 21:54.16 | BucWheat | thanks for all the help gang |
| 21:54.17 | pipeline | Dabian: Lisp is not spelled with all caps, and never has been. |
| 21:54.35 | Dabian | pipeline : Are you sure? |
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| 21:54.45 | idnar | Dabian: uhm |
| 21:54.48 | idnar | no, not you |
| 21:54.52 | idnar | pipeline: uhm |
| 21:54.54 | pipeline | Dabian: I will not dignify that with a response, asshat. |
| 21:54.58 | Dabian | pipeline : Unless I am wrong, you're wrong. |
| 21:55.00 | otje | where can I find info on a .forward file? man .forward doesn't work and you can't google on ".forward" (it's seen as just "forward") |
| 21:55.08 | K_Dallas | so you need not to be root and yes fake it to run make-jpkg ;) |
| 21:55.09 | bucky | go get him DABIAN |
| 21:55.14 | K_Dallas | yet* |
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| 21:55.30 | pipeline | idnar: When I said "never," I meant never. The original paper had Lisp spelled with the 'isp' in small-caps. |
| 21:55.43 | Dabian | hmm |
| 21:56.02 | idnar | pipeline: there at least 6 debian packages which spell it in all caps |
| 21:56.05 | Dabian | I wont even bother arguing.... good night. |
| 21:56.12 | idnar | pipeline: so perhaps you should file some bug reports then |
| 21:56.28 | idnar | pipeline: unless I'm missing something |
| 21:56.31 | pipeline | idnar: Perhaps. Which? |
| 21:56.46 | idnar | pipeline: apt-cache search lisp | grep LISP :P |
| 21:57.14 | jla | http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/lisp/lisp.html |
| 21:57.46 | pipeline | jla: That is a set of typos. When THAT paper was written, the "isp" was in small-caps. |
| 21:58.02 | pipeline | jla: That is the paper I mentioned only a moment ago |
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| 21:58.11 | darkcmd | I didn't know Debian is doing FreeBSD now? |
| 21:58.15 | pipeline | jla: Note that it was written in 1979, the dawn of computer typesetting. |
| 21:58.16 | jla | I see it written both ways all over in the document. |
| 21:58.23 | otje | where can I find info on a .forward file? man .forward doesn't work and you can't google on ".forward" (it's seen as just "forward") |
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| 21:58.28 | nevyn | darkcmd: has been for an age. |
| 21:58.41 | darkcmd | nevyn: how long is that? |
| 21:58.50 | jla | plus it's not like the whole document is in caps. |
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| 21:58.55 | nevyn | darkcmd: at least two releases. |
| 21:59.07 | darkcmd | as potato.. and woody? |
| 21:59.09 | darkcmd | so |
| 21:59.18 | nevyn | /freeBSD lacks personell and desire I think |
| 21:59.25 | nevyn | but I could be wrong |
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| 22:00.02 | darkcmd | I was kinda paranoid that they'd be getting away from Linux |
| 22:00.19 | bucky | LISP stands for LISt Processing language |
| 22:00.28 | bucky | is that an anacronym |
| 22:00.53 | matt_ | ops: kawfe is asking people on #gentoo to ask for a unban ! |
| 22:00.56 | FieldySnuts | @start a language war |
| 22:00.56 | ravenbird | Logo is faster than Haskell |
| 22:01.10 | nevyn | hrm |
| 22:01.12 | darkcmd | my paranoia is misguided correct? |
| 22:01.14 | Esotericisms | wtf is up with that guy? |
| 22:01.17 | K_Dallas | tk.h, what do i need to get this header file? I installed tcl dev package and it asks for more, thanks |
| 22:01.19 | nevyn | Logo is easier than Haskell |
| 22:01.23 | nevyn | definitly ;) |
| 22:01.24 | Esotericisms | oops ... nm |
| 22:01.30 | Esotericisms | my scrolling was jacked |
| 22:01.45 | joel_ | is there any good multiplayer chess game in debian? |
| 22:01.55 | Dabian | joel_ : Yes. |
| 22:01.57 | darkcmd | nevyn: i was kinda annoyed when I saw the freebsd kernel in apt lol |
| 22:02.06 | bucky | Esotericisms, you need to be more eclectic |
| 22:02.09 | nevyn | joel_: there are several chessboards in debian |
| 22:02.34 | nevyn | joel_: there are also chess engines to practice against which consistantly kick my ass. |
| 22:02.34 | joel_ | I tried some, but all seems to need to connect to some central server, and it didn't seem that trivial... |
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| 22:02.43 | martin-H | hi |
| 22:02.54 | bucky | ih |
| 22:02.57 | joel_ | Im looking for something that just lets me enter a ip and play, kind of like xtris or netris |
| 22:03.00 | martin-H | silly question about mnt/windows |
| 22:03.01 | joel_ | but chess of course.. |
| 22:03.01 | Dabian | joel_ : Its rather trivial, but it does need some getting used to. |
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| 22:03.15 | Dabian | joel_ : http://www.freechess.org |
| 22:03.18 | nevyn | joel_: fics but you do need to make an account |
| 22:03.25 | Rawplayer | its java based |
| 22:03.30 | Dabian | noh wayt .. day changed da URL .. |
| 22:03.35 | darkcmd | nevyn: are these Hurd and FreeBSD ports just experiments |
| 22:03.37 | Dabian | Rawplayer : Nonsense. |
| 22:03.43 | LuPuZ | Can anyone recommend an cd for getting the latest sarge up? have tried an netinst cd... but it gave me errors on several modules |
| 22:03.47 | Rawplayer | ow nm |
| 22:03.48 | Rawplayer | sorry |
| 22:03.49 | darkcmd | or are we going to find Debian supporting freebsd pretty heavily |
| 22:03.54 | Rawplayer | i forgot there was a gui for it |
| 22:03.55 | Dabian | Rawplayer : Though more than one guy wrote a java interface. |
| 22:03.58 | Rawplayer | a 3d one |
| 22:04.04 | nevyn | darkcmd: no. people will eventually see the light of the evilness of user readable stuff in proc and move to freebsd. |
| 22:04.07 | martin-H | i give correct permiss to enable all users access |
| 22:04.09 | bucky | LuPuZ, which netinst cd? |
| 22:04.14 | stew | !d-i LuPuZ |
| 22:04.14 | dpkg | LuPuZ, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:04.21 | LuPuZ | sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:04.23 | mikeX | LuPuZ, some errors can be ignored |
| 22:04.32 | martin-H | but the fucking directory change its permissions when its mounted |
| 22:04.33 | Dabian | joel_ : http://www.fics.org |
| 22:04.38 | darkcmd | nevyn: are you being serious? |
| 22:04.38 | martin-H | any tip?¿ |
| 22:04.41 | bucky | LuPuZ, what kind of hardware? |
| 22:04.46 | LuPuZ | mikeX: i get error with PCI modules... so i can't install my NIC :S |
| 22:04.52 | nevyn | darkcmd: of course. |
| 22:04.52 | Dabian | darkcmd : No, he has been trolling all along. |
| 22:04.55 | joel_ | I'll look into it, thanks guys |
| 22:05.10 | LuPuZ | stew: that's the netinst i use |
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| 22:05.25 | nevyn | Dabian: debian do have a /freebsd port. it's just not terribly popular afaict |
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| 22:05.38 | armagon | anyone here? |
| 22:05.46 | K_Dallas | nah, we are ghosts |
| 22:05.46 | streuner_ | no |
| 22:05.47 | mikeX | LuPuZ, maybe a badly burned disc? |
| 22:05.51 | bucky | LuPuZ, pcmcia ? |
| 22:05.58 | armagon | cool, me likes ghosts |
| 22:06.07 | nevyn | darkcmd: I'm somewhat serious.. in my opinion there are things which are better about freebsd than linux. |
| 22:06.08 | armagon | i am isntalling debian sarge in vmware, but got some probs |
| 22:06.10 | K_Dallas | watch your back then ;) |
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| 22:06.18 | darkcmd | ok |
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| 22:06.30 | plugwash | armagon and those problems are? |
| 22:06.42 | nevyn | but then in my opinion there are things that are better about windows NT than linux |
| 22:06.44 | K_Dallas | i think i saw once here a page with help on vmware and debian, maybe google would find it |
| 22:06.49 | darkcmd | but why are they going to port freebsd... if someone is going to want to use freebsd.. they're just going to use the real thing IMO |
| 22:06.50 | stew | LuPuZ: that's the one you should be using, if you could tell us the actual errors you are getting we could help you better |
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| 22:06.57 | LuPuZ | mikeX tried several times... with the same error |
| 22:06.58 | Dabian | joel_ : Its rather trivial, but it does need some getting used to. |
| 22:07.02 | armagon | i got bridged networking configured for vmware but debian doesn't "get anything" with dhcp |
| 22:07.03 | nevyn | darkcmd: out of the box freebsd sucks. |
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| 22:07.07 | mikeX | LuPuZ, oh ok then : ) |
| 22:07.09 | nevyn | darkcmd: I use it. but it sucks. |
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| 22:07.16 | LuPuZ | stew... pasting it into #flood in 5 sek |
| 22:07.28 | armagon | however it worked for ubuntue and suse i installed in vmware |
| 22:07.44 | Dabian | joel_ : fics == Free Internet Chess Server ... We're speaking free as in free beer though. |
| 22:07.45 | darkcmd | nevyn: what do you use? |
| 22:07.49 | LuPuZ | pasted now |
| 22:07.55 | LuPuZ | that's what i get errors on |
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| 22:08.18 | streuner_ | armagon: why do you need debian then? |
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| 22:08.34 | joel_ | Dabian: who doesn't like free beer anyways? :) |
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| 22:08.43 | nevyn | darkcmd: debian and freebsd |
| 22:08.48 | armagon | gonna install it on a server tomorrow but want to get hang of the install process |
| 22:09.20 | stew | LuPuZ: i don't see any errors |
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| 22:10.04 | LuPuZ | those i listed... is the ones that i get error that it's not loaded |
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| 22:10.13 | LuPuZ | so i can't install my PCI NIC |
| 22:10.17 | armagon | ok noone can help me? what about the command to configure eth0 after the install process? |
| 22:10.56 | darkcmd | nevyn: i just don't like this freebsd port with debian... it makes me paranoid |
| 22:11.06 | nevyn | why? |
| 22:11.12 | stew | LuPuZ: none of those have anything to do with your NIC |
| 22:11.24 | mikeX | armagon, ifconfig? |
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| 22:11.44 | mikeX | armagon, you can configure the network through /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:11.49 | nevyn | npx: www.d.o is back it appears |
| 22:11.51 | LuPuZ | stew: then why do i get that error and saying that's the errors for not being able to locate my NIC? |
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| 22:12.01 | stew | LuPuZ: what error? |
| 22:12.10 | gahan | why ls doesnt print directories which start with _ ? ls -al doesnt print _directory while echo * does |
| 22:12.31 | suifur | gahan: type "ls -al \_directory" |
| 22:12.35 | stew | LuPuZ: what NIC do you have? |
| 22:12.41 | suifur | you need the escape character in there |
| 22:12.42 | gahan | suifur: sure but why? |
| 22:12.56 | suifur | gahan: because _ is a special character and its required... |
| 22:13.06 | LuPuZ | 8139too |
| 22:13.13 | LuPuZ | it's an realtek 8139 |
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| 22:13.16 | LuPuZ | chipset |
| 22:13.33 | bucky | modprobe 8139too |
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| 22:13.47 | mikeX | LuPuZ, that is supported : P |
| 22:13.50 | armagon | mikeX, isn't there a wizard like with the install process? |
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| 22:14.21 | bucky | armagon, etherconf |
| 22:14.22 | LuPuZ | nothing happens when i do that |
| 22:14.27 | bucky | armagon, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
| 22:14.27 | mikeX | armagon, don't know of one.. I think there is a package you can install however, but I'm not sure |
| 22:15.09 | stew | LuPuZ: if you get no output when you modporobe 8139too then it sounds like it loaded the module successfully |
| 22:15.21 | LuPuZ | how do i config it then? |
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| 22:16.26 | bucky | LuPuZ, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-high |
| 22:17.01 | marska | Hello.. I'm trying to set up wget to work through a proxy. Have tried to change configure files to no use. How can I change the local host for wget? |
| 22:17.03 | J[a]M[a]L | hello i have pc intel original , 2.4 celeron, and when i try i363 boot cd it give me error |
| 22:17.04 | websdale | LuPuZ:you have to do "dpkg-reconfigure etherconf" as root not just etherconf |
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| 22:18.06 | masoft | I got the Nameserver address from DHCP. how can I see, what are the nameserver ips ? |
| 22:18.29 | streuner_ | masoft: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:18.35 | LuPuZ | the packet etherconf ain't loaded |
| 22:18.54 | LuPuZ | i have barely no packets... cause i don't have any connection cause i can't get my NIC working |
| 22:19.02 | mrtoth | marska: export http_proxy="http://host:port/" |
| 22:19.08 | mrtoth | marska: export ftp_proxy="http://host:port/" |
| 22:19.23 | masoft | streuner_, isn't it possible with other command ? |
| 22:19.29 | streuner_ | masoft: why? |
| 22:19.35 | zebedee | Hi all. I'm running apache and webmin, but all I get in an "Error - Access Denied for [IP address]" when I try to connect to port 10000 (webmin). |
| 22:19.48 | LuPuZ | i don't have any resolv.conf |
| 22:19.49 | FieldySnuts | apache and webmin are seperate |
| 22:19.54 | masoft | streuner_, I just like to know :D |
| 22:20.05 | LuPuZ | just made one with nano |
| 22:20.15 | FieldySnuts | webmin might come default to accept connections only from 127.0.0.1 at first, i forget |
| 22:20.22 | challenged | zebedee: using HTTP"S" |
| 22:20.22 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: webmin? |
| 22:20.22 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 22:20.23 | narg | So, if I understand dpkg's link right, xorg is coming into sid when sarge goes stable? |
| 22:20.29 | Ronin | FieldySnuts: thats correct on 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:20.30 | streuner_ | masoft: what kind of DHCP client do you use? |
| 22:20.30 | mrtoth | zebedee: Edit your webmin config, you can find there the hostnames to accept conenctions from |
| 22:20.47 | J[a]M[a]L | guys any one can help\ |
| 22:20.48 | masoft | streuner_, dhcpcd I think |
| 22:21.05 | streuner_ | masoft: apt-get install dhcp-client |
| 22:21.06 | zebedee | Yep. I've changed the ACL. However, even when I uninstall Webmin, I get this error message on the port. |
| 22:21.13 | dondelelcaro | narg: soon thereafter |
| 22:21.13 | challenged | narg: well once sarge is stable mroe work will be done toward that end i beleive....i dont think it's just sarge goes live open up the new stuff weve been hiding |
| 22:21.23 | Ronin | zebedee: stopand restart webmin? |
| 22:21.32 | narg | nods. |
| 22:21.34 | masoft | streuner_, is it a better choice ? |
| 22:21.45 | dondelelcaro | narg: Overfiend is working on the preliminary packages, which are probably available at svn.deadbeast.net already |
| 22:22.01 | streuner_ | masoft: well, i dunno if its a better choice, but it works for me good |
| 22:22.03 | zebedee | I've "apt-get remove --purge'd" Webmin. What programs could be running that would give this error on a port? |
| 22:22.03 | narg | I jumped ship from sid to kubuntu, and Im not terrible happy bout it. Coming back once xorg is in :) |
| 22:22.20 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 22:22.22 | masoft | streuner_, ok, thx |
| 22:22.22 | Overfiend | narg: gravity (David Nusinow) has picked up most of the work |
| 22:22.24 | zebedee | ...i.e. even after Webmin is gone? |
| 22:22.26 | FieldySnuts | have fun waiting a few years |
| 22:22.32 | Overfiend | er, dondelelcaro: ----^ |
| 22:22.38 | FieldySnuts | @fuck *ubuntu* |
| 22:22.39 | dondelelcaro | Overfiend: ah, cool... hadn't been following that very closely |
| 22:23.09 | masoft | FieldySnuts, why ? ubuntu is a bad distro ? |
| 22:23.27 | streuner_ | Overfiend: what do you say about /topic? ;-) |
| 22:23.31 | mentor | FieldySnuts: Umm, enough of that... |
| 22:23.49 | Overfiend | streuner_: which part of it? |
| 22:23.51 | challenged | if i have a some huge harddisks im sharing between a dualboot system what FS should i use? ext3 with a driver for xp ? |
| 22:23.53 | zebedee | Something appears to be giving me an html response, but I cannot find any web-related servers running - apart from Apache |
| 22:24.03 | marska | Where were the wget config files? |
| 22:24.04 | streuner_ | Overfiend: what do you think? sarge, of course :-) |
| 22:24.06 | challenged | just using it for a dvd archive |
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| 22:24.37 | LuPuZ | where can i find the info i'm supposed to have in my resolv.conf? |
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| 22:24.52 | Overfiend | streuner_: I think it's a good thing...have you read my latest DPL report? I talk about it there. |
| 22:24.58 | LuPuZ | it's totally empty... and i don't know what to put there |
| 22:25.23 | masoft | LuPuZ, ur dns address |
| 22:25.25 | bucky | LuPuZ, from your isp's webpage... nameserver |
| 22:25.26 | challenged | LuPuZ: any nameserver should work to get you up basically then you find your ISP's Nameserver....heres a random nameserver IP 203.8.183.1 |
| 22:25.29 | cafuego | !ur |
| 22:25.29 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 22:25.32 | J[a]M[a]L | any one can answer my simple question |
| 22:25.53 | bucky | how can someone do a netinstall and not have network? |
| 22:26.15 | masoft | J[a]M[a]L, what is that ? |
| 22:26.16 | J[a]M[a]L | bucky net isntall can use internet or any other cds ;) |
| 22:26.21 | streuner_ | Overfiend: ic, i only saw that one at 05/24/05 |
| 22:26.23 | challenged | J[a]M[a]L: what part of the installer does it freeze at? |
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| 22:26.35 | RichiH | Phated: tasty? |
| 22:26.38 | streuner_ | Overfiend: ic, i only saw that one at 04/24/05 |
| 22:26.38 | J[a]M[a]L | masoft whats the differ between x86 and i363 |
| 22:26.41 | masoft | bucky, I think u just need a lan card ! |
| 22:26.41 | Phated | RichiH: Quite. |
| 22:26.44 | stew | LuPuZ: did you somehow skip the "Configure the Network" task in teh installer? |
| 22:26.47 | RichiH | Phated: cool |
| 22:26.48 | Xenguy | !yer |
| 22:26.48 | dpkg | yer is, like, Using words like "yer" and other such things is kind of irritating. Somebody's helping you - and they may not speak English. The least you can do is write such that they need not decode your text :) |
| 22:26.56 | Phated | Ai. |
| 22:27.02 | masoft | J[a]M[a]L, x86 and i363 or i386 ? |
| 22:27.08 | Overfiend | streuner_: latest one is at http://people.debian.org/~branden/dpl/reports/2005-05-08.html |
| 22:27.11 | J[a]M[a]L | masoft whats the differ between x86 and i386 |
| 22:27.14 | RichiH | Phated: does it rain much in bangkok during late july and early august? |
| 22:27.28 | LuPuZ | stew: couldn't use the network configuration... cause that damn error... that has "nothing" to do with my NIC |
| 22:27.33 | Phated | RichiH: I live in Singapore, not Bangkok. |
| 22:27.36 | RichiH | oi Overfiend |
| 22:27.45 | RichiH | Phated: you are closest to it of all people i know |
| 22:27.46 | masoft | J[a]M[a]L, the first one is ur CPU architecture |
| 22:27.47 | mentor | i386 is a subset of x86... |
| 22:27.49 | cafuego | Phated: northern monsoon season is over by then, isn't it? |
| 22:27.59 | Guerin | yeah |
| 22:28.02 | Phated | RichiH: But far enough from it that I don't follow its weather patterns. |
| 22:28.08 | Guerin | i think it's just stinkin' hot until late sep |
| 22:28.08 | masoft | J[a]M[a]L, the second is the series of x86 |
| 22:28.08 | RichiH | Phated: so i had hoped you might know or know someone who knows |
| 22:28.12 | Phated | cafuego: What he said. |
| 22:28.17 | J[a]M[a]L | masoft so i still can use i386 ?? |
| 22:28.18 | bucky | J[a]M[a]L, x86 can include 586 or 686 |
| 22:28.22 | Phated | RichiH: It's probably online somewhere, you lazy twit. |
| 22:28.25 | Overfiend | hi RichiH! |
| 22:28.27 | mentor | J[a]M[a]L: x86 has many incarnations, 386, 486, 686, then branching into AMD and INtel and 'stuff' |
| 22:28.28 | naetuir | Question: I have attempted three different distro's with no luck. Debian, Gentoo and Solaris. In the past month or so, programs have stopped being able to resolve IP's. I am able to do nslookups (on all distros this holds, on this network), and get ip's, and for the next few minutes the domain will work (probalby cached somewhere). But programs are unable to resolve IPs. Three seperate computers, with three seperate systems. Now I brought a |
| 22:28.28 | naetuir | windows box on the network, and it worked just dandy. Any ideas, anyone? |
| 22:28.30 | J[a]M[a]L | i have 2.4 ghz |
| 22:28.31 | masoft | J[a]M[a]L, yes |
| 22:28.38 | LuPuZ | where do i find info about what is supposed to be in my sources.list? |
| 22:28.39 | stew | LuPuZ: as I said before, if you showed the actual error message we could be more helpful |
| 22:28.40 | mentor | J[a]M[a]L: Your nick is a wee bit irritating too.... |
| 22:28.42 | bucky | J[a]M[a]L, yep but it sucks for pentium |
| 22:28.49 | Guerin | when we went in september, bangkok's rains were about to start any day ... we missed them, but it WAS stinkin' hot. Then, about a week after we left, there were massive floods all through bangkok |
| 22:28.54 | masoft | J[a]M[a]L, so u can even use i486,i586 and i686 |
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| 22:29.02 | RichiH | Phated: indeed. my eeevil plan was to bask in the moonlight while you worked your ass off searching for my info. my plan is revealed! i must hide |
| 22:29.10 | JaMaLz | well debian uses i386 the most ;) |
| 22:29.15 | masoft | JaMaLz, r u Iranian ? |
| 22:29.16 | Phated | RichiH: *whapwhap* |
| 22:29.19 | bucky | J[a]M[a]L, i386 works good for P133 |
| 22:29.23 | mentor | JaMaLz: 32-bit x86 is usually fully backwards compatible... |
| 22:29.24 | RichiH | Overfiend: so, the initial shock is over, i take it? :) |
| 22:29.32 | masoft | JaMaLz, there is the i686 kernel in Debian CDs, too |
| 22:29.42 | JaMaLz | masoft i want netinstall ;) |
| 22:29.45 | Overfiend | RichiH: maybe. Fighting a fire right now...but that's the nature of the job :) |
| 22:29.47 | JaMaLz | where to get it from |
| 22:29.54 | JaMaLz | or the first cd |
| 22:29.56 | bucky | !d-i JaMaLz |
| 22:29.57 | dpkg | JaMaLz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 22:30.05 | masoft | JaMaLz, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:30.15 | RichiH | naetuir: i had very strange overload issues with a crappy router where i had stuff like that |
| 22:30.24 | cafuego | but october/november is when the monsoon starts in the southern hemisphere, so in _theory_ bangkok will be dry-ish. |
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| 22:30.31 | RichiH | naetuir: pretty much random. just started with too much load on the interface |
| 22:30.34 | masoft | JaMaLz, u didn't say, r u Iranian ? |
| 22:30.37 | RichiH | Phated: kinky |
| 22:30.43 | JaMaLz | masoft i'm Lebanese |
| 22:30.46 | RichiH | Overfiend: heh |
| 22:30.54 | Phated | RichiH: How is that kinky? |
| 22:30.55 | naetuir | Rich: I've tried two different routers. The issue (were it to be hardware related), would have to be with the modem (which I have yet to swap, though I have hard-reset and set back up all the DSL info in it) |
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| 22:31.02 | RichiH | Phated: ask perf |
| 22:31.15 | masoft | JaMaLz, ok, so may like to know about arabization of Linux :P |
| 22:31.18 | Phated | RichiH: He thinks -everything's- kinky! |
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| 22:31.48 | masoft | JaMaLz, u can take a see to www.linux-dubai.com and www.arabeyes.org |
| 22:31.50 | JaMaLz | masoft i hate arabic things regarding computer :p |
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| 22:32.10 | masoft | JaMaLz, why ? isn't ur native language arabic ? |
| 22:32.20 | marska | Where are the config files for wget located? |
| 22:32.28 | RichiH | Phated: q.e.d. |
| 22:32.28 | marska | /usr/bin? |
| 22:32.30 | dondelelcaro | marska: there really aren't any. |
| 22:32.35 | Phated | RichiH: Whaaat? |
| 22:32.46 | masoft | marska, which config file ?!?! |
| 22:32.48 | marska | dondelelcaro: Then how do I reconfigure wget to use a proxy? |
| 22:32.55 | JaMaLz | masoft well native language is arabic but u forget that the language of computer is based on english not arabic |
| 22:32.56 | bucky | marska, /etc/wgetrc |
| 22:32.58 | marska | masoft: To change localhost for Wget. |
| 22:32.59 | marska | Thanks |
| 22:33.25 | RichiH | !qed |
| 22:33.25 | otje | How do I make my .forward file filter some lines out of an email body and forward the filtered message to somebody? |
| 22:33.26 | dpkg | methinks qed is 'quod erat demonstrandum', meaning "That which was to have been proved.", or for proofs: "Quite Easily/Elegantly Done". Quantum ElectroDynamics |
| 22:33.26 | masoft | bucky said the answer :P |
| 22:33.34 | dondelelcaro | marska: with --proxy; and the approriate environmental variable. |
| 22:33.52 | Phated | Ah. |
| 22:34.30 | marska | I can't just change wget to use a default proxy all the time? |
| 22:34.36 | JaMaLz | businesscard CD image |
| 22:34.39 | JaMaLz | what is this for |
| 22:34.50 | masoft | JaMaLz, lower size ! |
| 22:35.02 | JaMaLz | masoft does the netinstall have xserver ? |
| 22:35.18 | masoft | JaMaLz, no as I know :P |
| 22:35.33 | JaMaLz | so i better download the first cd |
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| 22:35.53 | masoft | why u don't download all ? |
| 22:35.56 | mentor | JaMaLz: You can download all Debian packages from the internet...the point of the netinstall is to bootstrap the system so you can install the rest of the packages from the net. |
| 22:36.14 | mentor | JaMaLz: I think this is probably mentioned in the debian-installer handbook... |
| 22:36.27 | JaMaLz | mentor i have the 15 cd of sarage |
| 22:36.43 | marska | When a command says to "uncomment to use" they mean to take off the # from the beginning of the command? |
| 22:36.46 | masoft | JaMaLz, so what's ur problem ? |
| 22:36.49 | Phated | Pity whoever had to download it. |
| 22:36.55 | Phated | marska: Yes. |
| 22:36.57 | JaMaLz | masoft well how to make them all into my hd |
| 22:37.35 | masoft | JaMaLz, want to install all of Sarge ? |
| 22:37.46 | RichiH | JaMaLz: you can't install all of sarge at once |
| 22:37.58 | Guerin | did someone d-i him yet? |
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| 22:38.02 | RichiH | some packages are mutually exclusive |
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| 22:38.06 | JaMaLz | masoft just move the files so i don't need the cds in future |
| 22:38.11 | RichiH | !d-i JaMaLz |
| 22:38.12 | dpkg | JaMaLz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:38.17 | RichiH | Guerin: yes |
| 22:38.19 | mhall | Is there an ncurses spreadsheet program for POSIX? |
| 22:38.39 | mhall | Also, what is the C call for getting the contents of a directory? |
| 22:38.59 | RichiH | JaMaLz: oh. copy them to /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 22:39.00 | cafuego | readdir() |
| 22:39.11 | mhall | cafuego: Thank you. |
| 22:39.14 | cafuego | opendir(), readdir(), closedir() |
| 22:39.15 | challenged | hmm whats the best FS to have on a drive for both windows xp and linux?.... |
| 22:39.18 | mentor | marska: Yes, in general, in source/configuration files there is a facility to add a comment that is ignored by the program parsing the file...this generally takes the form of a ';' or '#' or '//' at the beginning of the line... |
| 22:39.30 | masoft | challenged, fat32 |
| 22:39.30 | cafuego | challenged: None, because there isn't one that both can run off. |
| 22:39.38 | JaMaLz | RichiH the pool folder or every folder ? |
| 22:39.40 | mentor | RichiH: eep. |
| 22:39.51 | challenged | cafuego: just as a storage area 8) |
| 22:39.59 | mentor | might using apt-move be a better idea? |
| 22:40.08 | RichiH | mentor: hmm |
| 22:40.10 | cafuego | challenged: fat32 if both need to write to it; note that doesn't support permissions. |
| 22:40.17 | masoft | challenged, but just for Winxp and u can use it in linux too ! I recommend ReiserFS for linux |
| 22:40.23 | RichiH | JaMaLz: listen to mentor. i have my stupid day, today |
| 22:40.39 | dfzi | visions of nasca |
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| 22:40.58 | mentor | RichiH: Bulding a local archive on disk is probably the right thing to do, right? |
| 22:40.59 | challenged | masoft: hmm theres an xp driver or microsoft built something in? |
| 22:41.18 | masoft | challenged, for ReiserFS ? |
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| 22:41.28 | masoft | challenged, no ! |
| 22:41.57 | challenged | masoft: yeah reiser under xp is done how? |
| 22:42.21 | masoft | challenged, just linux can see Reiser ! not windows |
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| 22:42.37 | challenged | masoft : ahh kk sorry misunderstood 8) |
| 22:42.52 | K_Dallas | masoft, there are plugins for TotalCommander under windows to let you copy files from linux partitions |
| 22:43.11 | challenged | masoft: im just planning on using it for a DVD library but i will write via both depending how much i can get away from xp |
| 22:43.17 | masoft | K_Dallas, even for ReiserFS or just Ext3 ? |
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| 22:43.30 | K_Dallas | yes and i use it on this very system |
| 22:43.33 | cafuego | yes, explore2fs also lets you copy stuff from linux when using windows. That doesn't mean it's an ideal solution. |
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| 22:43.59 | stew | i had a friend lose a lot of files trying to use explore2fs |
| 22:44.13 | astronut | Why does my computer not boot with WOL when i shutdown from debian, but does when I do a toggle on/off or shtudown from grub or the system rescue live CD distro? |
| 22:44.20 | K_Dallas | i have used it extensively for a long time now and no problem |
| 22:44.25 | challenged | cafuego, masoft: thx guys....saves me a bit of searching/testing |
| 22:44.28 | masoft | ok ! I hadn't any experience for reading files from windows :P Linux can do all I need ! |
| 22:44.41 | masoft | challenged, ur welcome |
| 22:44.48 | cafuego | challenged: The best one I've found is ext2fsanywhere, but that is payware. |
| 22:45.18 | marska | How does one run wget in a terminal? |
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| 22:45.29 | astronut | marska: "wget url" |
| 22:45.30 | challenged | cafuego: well i think fat32 will do what i need as long as it can handle 300Gig drives .....but my xbox does so i would think it no probs |
| 22:45.34 | Apage43 | marska: um, how else do you run it? |
| 22:45.36 | marska | Thanks |
| 22:45.58 | masoft | marska, wget -b (for background) -c (for continue last file) url |
| 22:45.59 | smo_ | hi all i still got this problem with my printer and cups: Do you have ESP Ghostscript installed? gs-esp is installed |
| 22:46.06 | petemc | challenged: you have a 300 gig drive in your xbox? what chip, bios? |
| 22:46.29 | alfatau | hi, i'm a sarge user, and i want to develope an application in java, which needs a mysql driver. Into the mysql driver documentation, looks i have to update my CLASSPATH environment variable, adding the path of the driver. The problem is i haven't this environment variable: typing "set | grep -i classpath" i have no interesting output. what can i do? if you want, u could look at this url which explains what i have to do, but which i can't do: |
| 22:46.29 | alfatau | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/connector/j/en/cj-classpath.html. could you help me, please?? |
| 22:46.29 | challenged | im hoping i can get VMware to do all my midi stuff on xp inside linux...just need to know how close the midi support it to produceable |
| 22:46.31 | cafuego | xboxes are payware microsoft things, I know nothing about them. |
| 22:46.40 | marska | Error parsing proxy URL localhost:8118: Unsupported scheme. |
| 22:46.44 | marska | What? |
| 22:46.52 | cafuego | marska: http:// |
| 22:46.55 | petemc | cafuego: a modified xbox is a great media device |
| 22:47.00 | cafuego | xboxes are payware microsoft things, I know nothing about them. |
| 22:47.10 | challenged | petemc: ive got a 250 in my xbox but the lba 48 stuff handles 320s i know....im on a xenium with the x3 bios |
| 22:47.16 | cafuego | One of the old laptops is a great media device. |
| 22:47.32 | masoft | Anybody tested Macmini ? |
| 22:47.39 | petemc | challenged: lba48 goes up to drives in PiB aiui.. |
| 22:47.44 | Guerin | masoft: what's to test? |
| 22:47.46 | marska | Cafuego; What? I don't understand whats wrong. |
| 22:47.54 | challenged | cafuego, : they are just celeron 766 i386s with USB for all input.....pci bridge is quirky but its just a PC really |
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| 22:48.10 | masoft | Guerin, Debian works on it without anyproblem ? |
| 22:48.18 | smo_ | don t need modchip for xbox now ;) |
| 22:48.21 | cafuego | marska: a url starts with file:// or http:// or ftp:// |
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| 22:48.27 | cafuego | marska: not with 'localhost' |
| 22:48.29 | Guerin | it's a fucking ppc mac... no different to any other |
| 22:48.54 | individuality | hi all |
| 22:48.55 | masoft | Guerin, but it's just 500$ |
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| 22:49.39 | marska | Cafuego: I used http: |
| 22:49.40 | exerd | can i run gaim transparent? |
| 22:49.42 | mentor | smo_: what's the latest method? |
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| 22:50.05 | Guerin | masoft: and it's got a lptop hard drive in |
| 22:50.10 | masoft | exerd, there is a plugin for KDE, but don't know about gnome |
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| 22:50.26 | gpm | hi. any clue why when i ssh into a server it takes forever for the text i type to appear on the screen? i'm not running any resource-consuming processes... |
| 22:50.30 | marska | Cafuego: I used http:// for the beginning of the address |
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| 22:50.32 | exerd | masoft, i use fluxbox |
| 22:50.33 | astronut | Why does my computer not boot with WOL when i shutdown from debian, but does when I do a toggle on/off or shtudown from grub or the system rescue live CD distro? |
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| 22:50.50 | kadu | does anyone know how i can get cedega for free? |
| 22:50.50 | S4nD3r_ | How do I share my printer ?????? |
| 22:50.51 | masoft | exerd, I don't think so ! |
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| 22:50.55 | exerd | damn |
| 22:50.56 | marska | Cafuego: I just enabeled the local host redirect because I'm trying to get around a firewall |
| 22:51.04 | cafuego | kadu: By warezing it. |
| 22:51.06 | Guerin | kadu: this is not a warez channel |
| 22:51.10 | nevyn | kadu: check it out of cvs and build it yourself? |
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| 22:51.16 | nevyn | or did they stop that? |
| 22:51.22 | Guerin | the cvs builds aren't the same as the for-pay ones |
| 22:51.25 | masoft | kadu, what is cedega ? |
| 22:51.26 | Zetabyte | cedega is a commercial product now. |
| 22:51.30 | exerd | how do i take a screenshot? |
| 22:51.32 | drac | kadu: sure, if you compile it from CVS, it's 100% free and legal. |
| 22:51.37 | marska | Cedega.. Transgaming |
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| 22:51.47 | cafuego | the payware builds have copyprotection and installshiled support |
| 22:51.47 | streuner_ | exerd: /msg dpkg ss |
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| 22:51.58 | streuner_ | !cedega |
| 22:51.58 | dpkg | well, cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 22:51.59 | kadu | what is cvs? im new to linux >.< |
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| 22:52.16 | marska | ... |
| 22:52.30 | drac | kadu: ..then you have to pay for it. |
| 22:52.39 | marska | Cafuego: Well.. wget isn't working for me. I just eneabeled localhost and now it won't even try the download |
| 22:52.45 | notty | hi drac, nice to see you |
| 22:52.55 | rleigh | kadu: Concurrent Versions System, a system used for version control of source files. |
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| 22:53.13 | kadu | can anyone share their account? if they have one. |
| 22:53.18 | Guerin | kadu: this is not a warez channel |
| 22:53.19 | drac | notty: right back at ya :) |
| 22:53.20 | NachPlus | Where is a good place to submit a great new idea? |
| 22:53.28 | Guerin | NachPlus: wikipedia.org |
| 22:53.32 | kadu | Guerin: I know this. |
| 22:53.34 | NachPlus | Guerin, to Debian |
| 22:53.41 | Guerin | kadu: stop asking, then. |
| 22:53.43 | Zetabyte | kadu, could you plz rob and bank and send me the money? |
| 22:53.47 | Guerin | NachPlus: depends on the idea. |
| 22:53.49 | marska | Error parsing proxy URL localhost:9050: Unsupported scheme. |
| 22:53.50 | Zetabyte | it's be so much easier |
| 22:53.51 | smo_ | how can i verif package gs-esp is working |
| 22:54.03 | kadu | Zetabyte: no please |
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| 22:54.06 | NachPlus | Guerin, I had an idea how to improve apt |
| 22:54.12 | smo_ | i still have the same error in cups_error |
| 22:54.16 | streuner_ | sounds interesting - "Limited CVS" :-) |
| 22:54.20 | Guerin | NachPlus: file a wishlist bug against it, using the BTS |
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| 22:54.34 | smo_ | do you have ESP ghostcript installed? |
| 22:54.41 | marska | How about we just find the IP addresses of newbies, go to their home and broke every bone in their hand? |
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| 22:54.50 | marska | brake |
| 22:54.51 | marska | Ga'h |
| 22:54.51 | Guerin | marska: why? |
| 22:54.56 | Guerin | break |
| 22:55.03 | marska | Guerin: They couldn't type |
| 22:55.05 | marska | I'm tired |
| 22:55.07 | Zetabyte | they'd type with their nose and just annoy us more by their slow response? |
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| 22:55.11 | marska | I just want to get wget to work. |
| 22:55.21 | Guerin | marska: give it a url, then. |
| 22:55.21 | bucky | fuggetaboutit |
| 22:55.32 | marska | Guerin: I did. But it returns the follow error. Error parsing proxy URL localhost:9050: Unsupported scheme. |
| 22:55.43 | Guerin | marska: that's not a url |
| 22:56.01 | marska | Guerin: No. But its the error it spits back out at me after I give it an url. |
| 22:56.03 | Guerin | and why are you proxying through localhost |
| 22:56.11 | marska | Guerin: I'm using tor. |
| 22:56.13 | kanzure | How do Icreate a swap file of 200 mb? |
| 22:56.14 | Guerin | marska: where have you defined that proxy? |
| 22:56.19 | Guerin | oh |
| 22:56.23 | drac | tor *:) |
| 22:56.24 | Guerin | I know nothing about tor. |
| 22:56.37 | kanzure | like, what's the commands? dd and mkswap? How can I set dd to make a 200mb file? |
| 22:56.39 | marska | Guerin: it uses a localhost address for its main proxy. |
| 22:56.42 | streuner_ | kanzure: use cfdisk to create that partition and run mkswap? |
| 22:56.46 | drac | tor == nonsense of scitzopheniz people |
| 22:56.54 | kanzure | streuner: I was thinking a swapfile, .. |
| 22:56.54 | Guerin | marska: what protocol does it use? |
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| 22:57.01 | marska | Drac: I'm using it because I'm behind a firewall |
| 22:57.07 | drac | definately not a problem of people using legal software. |
| 22:57.08 | Guerin | drac: scitzopheniz = spelling of stupid people |
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| 22:57.18 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:57.24 | streuner_ | kanzure: oh, and mkswap doesn't say something about? |
| 22:57.24 | drac | ;) |
| 22:57.25 | marska | Guerin: I'm not sure.. But Tor works fine with Mozill and Gaim. |
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| 22:57.56 | streuner_ | kanzure: man* |
| 22:58.00 | Guerin | marska: so you have set the $http_proxy env variable, or what? |
| 22:58.10 | npx | Yo Guerin, you use rimuhosting? |
| 22:58.15 | Guerin | npx: I do. |
| 22:58.26 | npx | Guerin, I got you a $15 credit brotha |
| 22:58.27 | streuner_ | "mkswap sets up a Linux swap area on a device or in a file." |
| 22:58.34 | Guerin | npx: excellent :) |
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| 22:58.40 | Guerin | npx: cheers :) |
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| 22:59.00 | marska | Guerin: I have to set the localhost: variable. |
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| 22:59.09 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 22:59.18 | marska | Guerin: For both GAIM and Mozilla I have to reset localhost to 8118 |
| 22:59.32 | marska | Guerin: I tried to do that with wget but it doesn't want to work. |
| 22:59.35 | darkcmd | dpkg's responce for BSD has been tampered with I think |
| 22:59.42 | Guerin | marska: so this is a daemon which listens on a certain port of localhost, right? |
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| 22:59.50 | Guerin | !bsd |
| 22:59.51 | dpkg | read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or 00:48 < beta3> BSD stand for Bull Shit Distribution |
| 22:59.57 | marska | Guerin: Yes. Tor works through Privoxy |
| 22:59.57 | darkcmd | i.e. the end |
| 23:00.01 | Guerin | naw, that's just dan2 |
| 23:00.26 | darkcmd | ok |
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| 23:01.42 | kanzure | How do I mount a swapfile? |
| 23:01.47 | kanzure | Or, er, use it? |
| 23:02.23 | abrotman | swapon |
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| 23:02.29 | streuner_ | kanzure: read the FINE man-page |
| 23:02.37 | kanzure | thanks |
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| 23:02.49 | streuner_ | SEE ALSO |
| 23:02.49 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.51 | darkcmd | is there any chance of debian putting their focus on the kFreeBSD port? |
| 23:03.01 | abrotman | darkcmd: focus ? |
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| 23:03.09 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 23:03.09 | abrotman | darkcmd: there's a team for that iirc |
| 23:03.15 | kanzure | Does anybody know of an mp3 player with FTP support? |
| 23:03.22 | Guerin | darkcmd: in preference to the gnu/linux port? unlikely. |
| 23:03.29 | astronut | Why does my computer not boot with WOL when i shutdown from debian, but does when I do a toggle on/off or shtudown from grub or the system rescue live CD distro? |
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| 23:03.37 | Guerin | kanzure: wget and mpg321 |
| 23:03.49 | kanzure | guerin: wget does ftp? |
| 23:03.58 | Guerin | kanzure: hell yeah |
| 23:04.01 | abrotman | wget blah | mpg123 |
| 23:04.11 | darkcmd | Guerin: i find the bsd kernels in apt annoying |
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| 23:04.17 | Guerin | abrotman: that's precisely what I was thinking |
| 23:04.22 | abrotman | darkcmd: so why would you want them to focus on it ? |
| 23:04.25 | Guerin | darkcmd: it's not a very mature port |
| 23:04.31 | kanzure | and here i wasn't thinking at all :) |
| 23:04.34 | darkcmd | i don't want them to |
| 23:04.39 | marska | Any ideas Guerin? |
| 23:04.51 | marska | I guess wget doesn't want to read off the localhost maybe? |
| 23:04.59 | Guerin | marska: nope. I know nothing about tor or privoxy I haven't read on /. ... which is to say, nothing. |
| 23:05.03 | darkcmd | I've always gone under the assumption that Debian _is_ Linux |
| 23:05.22 | marska | Guerin: Are all Linux users shallow newsfiles that frequent slashdot? |
| 23:05.22 | abrotman | darkcmd: you're wrong |
| 23:05.24 | Bart-mdv- | m-m... kanzure do u try use mplayer ? |
| 23:05.29 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:05.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:05.31 | Guerin | marska: wget needs a protocol. Maybe define that localhost variable to have http:// at the front or something |
| 23:05.38 | Guerin | marska: no. |
| 23:06.11 | darkcmd | abrotman: what is it then? |
| 23:06.38 | abrotman | darkcmd: debian is a project .. there are many underlying kernels .. linux/hurd/bsd etc |
| 23:07.13 | abrotman | darkcmd: so you get debian gnu/linux .. debian gnu/hurd .. debian kfreebsd(or whatever it is) |
| 23:07.14 | plugwash | debian is a packaging up of free software to make a complete system |
| 23:07.22 | Guerin | gnu/kfreebsd |
| 23:07.32 | abrotman | !debian |
| 23:07.33 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 23:07.41 | Guerin | it's interesting because its actually a bsd kernel with a primarily gnu userland |
| 23:07.43 | plugwash | it is almost always used with linux right now although there are ports to other kernels |
| 23:07.57 | mentor | smo_: OK, I can't see enough information to understand what your problem is... |
| 23:08.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 816] by debhelper |
| 23:08.03 | smo_ | i have a strange problem my cups error log give returnn this message : unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 28! Hint: Do you have ESP Ghostscript installed? |
| 23:08.13 | smo_ | now i type gs -v |
| 23:08.32 | smo_ | gs -v |
| 23:08.32 | smo_ | ESP Ghostscript 7.07.1 (2003-07-12) |
| 23:08.36 | smo_ | ???? |
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| 23:08.57 | mentor | smo_: OK...what file is it, and what filter/cups driver are you using? |
| 23:09.07 | smo_ | foo2zjs |
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| 23:09.16 | smo_ | just a small txt file |
| 23:09.18 | mentor | eep. |
| 23:09.40 | smo_ | ? |
| 23:09.44 | htaccess | hi i think i have found a bug in the file utility on sarge, can someone with a sarge box try this please: |
| 23:09.48 | mentor | !find foo2zjs |
| 23:09.51 | dpkg | foo2zjs: (Support for printing to ZjStream-based printers), section text, is optional. Version: 20050217-1 (sid), Packaged size: 655 kB, Installed size: 2128 kB |
| 23:09.52 | htaccess | echo Liquidat > foo.txt; file foo.txt |
| 23:10.39 | smo_ | and? |
| 23:11.06 | smo_ | ID 03f0:0517 Hewlett-Packard LaserJet 1000 |
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| 23:11.14 | smo_ | lsusb |
| 23:11.30 | htaccess | smo_: well it should be ASCII text not Apple QuickTime image (unoptimized) |
| 23:11.42 | Guerin | htaccess: foo.txt: Apple QuickTime image (unoptimized) |
| 23:12.21 | htaccess | hmm, looks like its any asarge box, also on ubuntu 5.04 - weird! |
| 23:12.25 | Guerin | htaccess: same behavior in sid |
| 23:12.25 | smo_ | k but why do he ask for esp ghoscript when i have it installed?? |
| 23:12.33 | streuner_ | Guerin: haha |
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| 23:13.36 | n1mh | hi |
| 23:13.59 | n1mh | i've been playing with lvm2, resizing partitions and now, i can't use the partitions. any body knows some magical command that repairs logicals volumes? |
| 23:14.16 | cureless | n1mh: fdisk |
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| 23:14.43 | marska | Cureless: Sarcastic jackass ^_^ |
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| 23:15.11 | cureless | hehe |
| 23:15.14 | hogballs | !seen tictac |
| 23:15.15 | dpkg | tictac is currently on #debian (6h 19m 46s). Has said a total of 123 messages. Is idling for 19h 43m 53s |
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| 23:15.25 | htaccess | Guerin: funny, i run a mailfilter on a sarge box, it blocks attachments, it blocked some womans email because it has a txt attachment saying it was quicktime, the first lines were: 'Liquidate it is then - see you tomorrow at 12.30' and 'Liquidate it is - I haven't been there so will be a treat for me to try' hows that for an obscure bug :) |
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| 23:15.36 | tictac | hogballs: im here. |
| 23:15.54 | hajiki | whats the current version of apache and php in woody? |
| 23:15.57 | hogballs | tictac. hey u ever get java working in any browser on debian sarge yet? |
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| 23:16.04 | noddaba | i'm pretty sure this isn't possible, but wanted to be sure. is it possible to attach an already running process to a new screen session? |
| 23:16.04 | streuner | hajiki: why? |
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| 23:16.10 | streuner | hajiki: just use sarge |
| 23:16.11 | appaji | hogballs: I did. |
| 23:16.18 | SaMRoX_ | <SaMRoX> Im trying so ssh a computer in lan and I get this error: |
| 23:16.19 | SaMRoX_ | <SaMRoX> alejoar@ubuntu:~ $ sudo ssh root@172.16.1.1 |
| 23:16.19 | SaMRoX_ | <SaMRoX> root@172.16.1.1's password: |
| 23:16.19 | SaMRoX_ | <SaMRoX> Read from remote host 172.16.1.1: Connection reset by peer |
| 23:16.20 | SaMRoX_ | <SaMRoX> Connection to 172.16.1.1 closed. |
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| 23:16.22 | appaji | hogballs: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 23:16.26 | SaMRoX_ | <SaMRoX> how do I able my ip in the host computer? |
| 23:16.34 | SaMRoX_ | sory |
| 23:16.47 | abrotman | !tell SaMRoX_ about interfaces |
| 23:16.47 | hogballs | appaji, i did that already but my browser still says needs the plugin |
| 23:16.49 | bucky | SaMRoX_, are you using ubuntu?? |
| 23:16.50 | abrotman | i think |
| 23:17.05 | SaMRoX_ | bucky, in this computer yes |
| 23:17.10 | Teemu_ | SaMRoX_: err, why are you doing ssh by sudo? |
| 23:17.10 | SaMRoX_ | in the other, red hat |
| 23:17.12 | tictac | hogballs: java is the devil. |
| 23:17.21 | abrotman | SaMRoX_: wrong channel .. everywhere |
| 23:17.22 | mentor | htaccess: echo 'aaaaidat' > foo.txt; file foo.txt |
| 23:17.24 | bucky | SaMRoX_, wrong channel |
| 23:17.27 | SaMRoX_ | Teemu_, I get the same message without sudo |
| 23:17.29 | appaji | hogballs: did you enable java in your browser preferences? |
| 23:17.38 | mentor | htaccess: Obviously idat is one of the headers in the Quicktime format...file isn't perfect, sadly... |
| 23:17.40 | bucky | SaMRoX_, #redhat |
| 23:17.40 | Teemu_ | SaMRoX_: err, but still |
| 23:17.41 | abrotman | SaMRoX_: wrong channel .. everywhere |
| 23:17.46 | hogballs | appaji, yes |
| 23:17.56 | abrotman | SaMRoX_: #redhat #fedora #ubuntu .. not #debian |
| 23:17.58 | marska | I don't know how anyone can use RPMs.. |
| 23:18.01 | tictac | lol |
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| 23:18.15 | SaMRoX_ | ok |
| 23:18.19 | hogballs | appaji, how would i go about trying to troubleshoot why its still requesting java |
| 23:18.42 | tictac | "WARNING: Stopping the module while a pcmcia card can cause your kernel to freeze! Do you want to stop it?" <yes> .... Kernel Panic |
| 23:18.43 | appaji | hogballs: see /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ is there a java .so file in there? |
| 23:18.49 | tictac | well crap. maybe i shouldve said no. |
| 23:18.50 | tictac | :P |
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| 23:19.00 | hogballs | appaji, lemme look |
| 23:19.01 | mentor | smo_: there isn't a readme for foo2zjs in /usr/share/doc/foo2zjs? |
| 23:19.07 | abrotman | hogballs: about:plugins .. is java listed? |
| 23:19.14 | marska | I feel some strong feelings of hate toward Ubuntu.. |
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| 23:19.32 | hogballs | ill be back in a minute |
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| 23:19.34 | abrotman | marska: well .. they do have thier own channel :) |
| 23:19.35 | mentor | smo_: The LJ1000 uses ZjStream then? |
| 23:19.46 | abrotman | paulswm: yay |
| 23:19.51 | bucky | marska, and their own distro! |
| 23:19.54 | smo_ | yes mentor |
| 23:20.03 | paulswm | abrotman: :D |
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| 23:20.16 | smo_ | i don t see where s the problem |
| 23:20.17 | MobyTurbo | once Sarge is released a lot of the incentive for running Debian derivitives will decrease |
| 23:20.21 | mentor | tictac: Heh |
| 23:20.26 | MobyTurbo | and Sarge is going to be released soon... |
| 23:20.44 | bucky | doubt it.. sarge is more stable than ubuntu |
| 23:20.47 | marska | Moby, I disagree. Ubuntu has put together a "Moron proof" installer. |
| 23:20.47 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: it doesn't exist now |
| 23:20.49 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 23:20.49 | dpkg | Mandrake rox0rz! |
| 23:20.54 | bucky | and that doesn't seem to matter to anyone |
| 23:20.59 | mentor | smo_: foo2zjs is having problems...I suspect it guessed the wrong error message. |
| 23:21.04 | gravity | marska: Ubutnu's installer is sarge's installer |
| 23:21.14 | citral | bah, it's not for the same people, that's all. Ubuntu is just fine for my girlfriend, but not for a web server. |
| 23:21.17 | bucky | ubuntu is based on sid |
| 23:21.23 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: it could possibly in less than a month |
| 23:21.24 | gravity | marska: Minimally modified to have like one or two less questions, but it's still sarge's installer |
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| 23:21.38 | marska | Gravitity: Eh.. Makes sense. I use Ubuntu because it has support for my Centrino wireless kit. |
| 23:21.41 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: there's no reason now |
| 23:21.41 | marska | Right out of the box |
| 23:21.56 | smo_ | when i invoke /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstoraster my.bmp |
| 23:21.56 | gravity | marska: Ah. Well, Debian can't really supply that if it requires non-free software. |
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| 23:22.22 | gravity | marska: But the new installer does support wireless right out of the box if it's supported natively in the Linux kernel |
| 23:22.23 | Guerin | htaccess: that's funky. Look at a quicktime file, maybe that's a ... erm, unique property of them |
| 23:22.29 | smo_ | INFO: Starting ESP Ghostscript 7.07.1... |
| 23:22.30 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: it depends on what you're doing with it. I myself give Ubuntu CDs away to friends, even though I'm not using it at present. |
| 23:22.31 | smo_ | ...... |
| 23:22.38 | marska | Gravity: We'll see. I haven't had any luck with Sarge. |
| 23:22.40 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: some friend you are! |
| 23:22.44 | no0b | $ wine .wine\drive_c\Archivos de programa\Macromedia\Dreamweaver MX\Dreamweaver.exe |
| 23:22.45 | no0b | wineserver: /home/aoc/.wine/config is not a valid registry file |
| 23:22.45 | no0b | wine: for some mysterious reason, the wine server failed to run. |
| 23:22.52 | marska | It doesn't want to use my wireless support for apt-get |
| 23:22.55 | no0b | does somebody know what i have to do? |
| 23:22.56 | marska | So a netinstall is impossible. |
| 23:22.56 | abrotman | gravity has increased to Gravity |
| 23:22.58 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: I figure it's slightly better for Windows refugees. |
| 23:23.15 | htaccess | mentor: cool, so i just need to tell my users to not send any attachments with idat as chars 5 6 7 and 8 or it will be rejected as a quicktime file :) |
| 23:23.16 | marska | Moby: Good argument. |
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| 23:23.22 | gravity | marska: That's too bad. I don't know how ubuntu modified the wireless stuff for the installer |
| 23:23.29 | gravity | I should ask them |
| 23:23.36 | hogballs | hi |
| 23:23.37 | marska | Would be a good question. |
| 23:23.45 | marska | I alway assumed they supported the driver itself. |
| 23:23.46 | abrotman | gravity: perhaps they just added drivers debian won't allow |
| 23:23.49 | mentor | htaccess: You could improve the filter perhaps... |
| 23:23.56 | gravity | abrotman: Possibly. |
| 23:24.01 | no0b | hi? |
| 23:24.02 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: also I'd otherwise have to throw away nine of my ten Ubuntu pressed CDs. ;-) |
| 23:24.17 | MobyTurbo | s/ten/ten sets of/ |
| 23:24.18 | gravity | Of course, if marska's problem was with something that's in Debian then that needs to be fixed if it hasn't been already |
| 23:24.23 | hogballs | what was those commands again for java troubleshooting? |
| 23:24.25 | challenged | nine of my ten coffee coasters |
| 23:24.29 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: heh |
| 23:24.47 | htaccess | mentor: well its the mailscanner package, part of its scanning uses file, so i could turn it off, or downgrade file or upgrade file if its been fixed |
| 23:24.48 | abrotman | about:plugins |
| 23:24.48 | bucky | they probably used the knoppix hardware detection |
| 23:24.54 | no0b | $ wine .wine\drive_c\Archivos de programa\Macromedia\Dreamweaver MX\Dreamweaver.exe |
| 23:24.55 | citral | I must admit I was impressed, installed Ubuntu on my girlfirend's PC for 3 days, plug in our digital camera which is really recent, and bing "do you want to import pictures ?". That's just what many people want, and I can understand it. Debian is by all means better, but you've got to know how things work ore it can be a nightmare for dummies. |
| 23:24.55 | no0b | wineserver: /home/aoc/.wine/config is not a valid registry file |
| 23:24.55 | no0b | wine: for some mysterious reason, the wine server failed to run. |
| 23:25.08 | shingouz | marska: What wlan card you have there that the Sarge install does not like? |
| 23:25.11 | gravity | bucky: Sarge's installer has hardware autodetection too |
| 23:25.13 | abrotman | !wine |
| 23:25.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, wine is at http://www.winehq.com/. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 23:25.16 | hogballs | put that in the address bar in the browser? |
| 23:25.17 | abrotman | grrr |
| 23:25.20 | abrotman | fucking bastards |
| 23:25.23 | abrotman | !wine is also #winehq |
| 23:25.31 | abrotman | you must be kidding |
| 23:25.31 | gravity | heh |
| 23:25.39 | gravity | This is why I hate those things |
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| 23:25.46 | streuner | citral: since when is debian for dummies...? ;-) |
| 23:25.53 | abrotman | no0b: #winehq .. i think |
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| 23:25.59 | abrotman | you are asking about wine .. right ? |
| 23:26.02 | hogballs | it says no plugins installed |
| 23:26.12 | abrotman | hogballs: guess you've got no java then :) |
| 23:26.12 | marska | Shingozu: Default Centrino wireless card. Let me bring it up. |
| 23:26.13 | streuner | citral: you need a brain, not more for debian. |
| 23:26.23 | hogballs | oh happy happy |
| 23:26.23 | mentor | !wine =~ s/. It stands/ or #winehq. It stands/ |
| 23:26.23 | dpkg | OK, mentor |
| 23:26.24 | citral | streuner: touce |
| 23:26.24 | no0b | yes |
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| 23:26.26 | mentor | !wine |
| 23:26.27 | dpkg | somebody said wine was at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 23:26.30 | citral | touche |
| 23:26.38 | mentor | touché |
| 23:26.44 | cafuego | touchy |
| 23:26.46 | shingouz | marska: /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 23:26.51 | streuner | mentor: he is french ... |
| 23:26.52 | citral | oh yeah didn't fix my utf8 |
| 23:26.52 | akash | anyone know what kind of a driver is needed for a gforce video card? |
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| 23:27.08 | mentor | Oh no...I was just joining in with the moment... |
| 23:27.12 | challenged | akash....nvidia |
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| 23:27.26 | bucky | no0b, did you run winesetup like you do in every other wine install on earth (as user)? |
| 23:27.49 | akash | challenged im configuring xserver and thats not one of the choices... |
| 23:27.50 | marska | Shin: RealTek 8139, PCI 10ec:8139 |
| 23:28.15 | Guerin | akash: nv |
| 23:28.16 | shingouz | marska: /msg dpkg nicktab (and make your life easier ;) |
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| 23:28.34 | akash | Guerin: Thanks.. ;) |
| 23:28.39 | challenged | akash: use NV or vesa...see if that does what you need...else install a nvidia driver |
| 23:28.41 | marska | Command doesn't want to work Shin |
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| 23:28.47 | shingouz | marska: Mini-pci from a laptop? |
| 23:28.48 | marska | What? |
| 23:28.52 | marska | Ok |
| 23:28.56 | Guerin | always use nv in preference to vesa |
| 23:28.56 | shingouz | !nicktab |
| 23:28.56 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 23:28.58 | marska | Yes. Mini-pci |
| 23:29.03 | abrotman | yes .. mini-pci is for laptops |
| 23:29.06 | MrKeuner | hi, how can I create a symlink as /dev/cdrecorder to /dev/hdc? It is getting removed everytime I reboot. |
| 23:29.17 | challenged | !mini-pci |
| 23:29.20 | MobyTurbo | nv actually includes significant 2D acceleration nowadays |
| 23:29.22 | abrotman | !minipci |
| 23:29.26 | abrotman | i thought it was in there |
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| 23:29.29 | no0b | no |
| 23:29.32 | abrotman | little cards for laptops |
| 23:29.38 | challenged | me too i saw a few days back/// |
| 23:29.39 | MobyTurbo | I wish it had Xv support though. |
| 23:29.39 | shingouz | That card is supported by the kernel or is that again one of those frigging ndiswrapper thingies? |
| 23:29.39 | akash | How do I find out what my mouse port is? I'm setting up this computer for my friend and he had this gay wireless keyboard and mouse... |
| 23:29.40 | abrotman | about .. 1.5x3 inches |
| 23:29.44 | cinix | My volume control knob in GNOME doesn't do anything, and when I try and open volume control it tells me no mixers were found. |
| 23:29.48 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: it does have xv support |
| 23:29.59 | abrotman | akash: what does it plug into in the back? |
| 23:30.00 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: at least, I can use mplayer -vo xv on my nvidia machine |
| 23:30.01 | cinix | I don't have OSS emulation modules loaded, but sound is working without them, is there a way I can get it to load the ALSA mixer? |
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| 23:30.12 | marska | Shingouz: There is a driver available. 8139too |
| 23:30.13 | abrotman | cinix: install gstreamer iirc |
| 23:30.15 | challenged | cinix: use alsamixer and see if that works then find gnome also configs info |
| 23:30.20 | marska | I was always under the impression it was non-free |
| 23:30.36 | hogballs | anyone: do i want to get the rpm.bin or just the .bin for java |
| 23:30.37 | Guerin | 8139too is free |
| 23:30.38 | analia | hello. what's the easy way to get 2 computers sharing processor like openmosix on debian? |
| 23:30.39 | mentor | smo_: Umm, so did you have a look in the doc dir? |
| 23:30.39 | marska | The firmware was. So you had to compile it yourself. |
| 23:30.43 | cinix | gnome alsa configs? hmmm look again |
| 23:30.44 | abrotman | hogballs: /msg dpkg install java |
| 23:30.45 | Guerin | hogballs: just .bin |
| 23:30.52 | analia | is there some apt-get solution for that clustering? |
| 23:30.53 | marska | Makes life a pain in the arse for Debian laptop users though |
| 23:30.59 | karsten | Windowmaker question: for some reason, my miniicons are all vanishing somewhere off screen. |
| 23:31.01 | smo_ | i can t mentor |
| 23:31.02 | abrotman | analia: clustering how ? |
| 23:31.02 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: for some reason I thought it didn't, the NetBSD nvidia kernel driver project was to implement the nvidia propritary driver's xv support (it never implemented the GL stuff) |
| 23:31.06 | shingouz | marska: And that driver works? I think that driver is a free driver but... |
| 23:31.11 | smo_ | i doing it for a friend by ssh |
| 23:31.23 | gravity | analia: auto-apt and apt-cacher might help |
| 23:31.26 | karsten | I can minimize apps, but I can't see the icons. Just tried a 'restart' (w/o killing session), didn't fix it. |
| 23:31.29 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: well, I don't know how good it is, but it SEEMS like it works. |
| 23:31.30 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 23:31.31 | analia | karsten: try looking on preferences if you don't hace "Disable Miniwindows for KDE compatibility" |
| 23:31.34 | qbwdp | ok here is the deal |
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| 23:31.41 | mentor | smo_: Ummm...surely then you can look in the doc directory... |
| 23:31.43 | abrotman | analia: which kind of clustering ? |
| 23:31.51 | marska | Shingouz: Yes it does. Right now I just don't have a secondary option for internet service on my laptop |
| 23:32.06 | analia | abrotman: i have 2 computers, and i wanna them to share processor |
| 23:32.15 | analia | like openmosix does |
| 23:32.19 | abrotman | analia: apt-cache search mpi .. or beowulf .. i guess |
| 23:32.22 | abrotman | !mpi |
| 23:32.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, mpi is Message Passing Interface, a parallel programming standard for SMPs and clusters. http://www.mcs.anl.gov/mpi. It is a library specification for message-passing proposed as a standard. MPI was designed for high performance on both massively parallel machines and on workstation clusters. See MPICH and MPILAM. |
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| 23:32.34 | karsten | analia: Nope. |
| 23:32.38 | darkcmd | whats the difference between debian running under linux compared to freebsd? just the kernel? are all of the packages in apt compiled for linux, they just run in linux mode on the bsd kernel? |
| 23:32.43 | gravity | analia: Isn't open mosix in Debian? |
| 23:32.45 | abrotman | karsten: yes there is |
| 23:32.52 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: it *could* be falling back. At any rate I'm not using nvidia's propritary driver for now because it's extremly buggy on old nvidia cards now. |
| 23:33.02 | analia | gravity: i can't find it on sarge ... |
| 23:33.03 | abrotman | darkcmd: mostly kernel .. functionality for lesser ports may be limited |
| 23:33.06 | shingouz | marska: I think tht driver should be in the installer as long as you use 2.6 as install kernel. If it is not somethign has to be done about it if the driver is free. |
| 23:33.08 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: i have a tnt2, I'm not even going to bother :) |
| 23:33.10 | abrotman | analia: apt-cache search mpi |
| 23:33.11 | gravity | analia: It's in sid. Package openmosix |
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| 23:33.12 | mentor | darkcmd: I suspect they are compiled differently... |
| 23:33.14 | analia | karsten: mmmh... that's the usual reason |
| 23:33.21 | coll | i put my firewall script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d and made sure it's x' moded yet it still doesnt run when ppp0 is up, any ideas? |
| 23:33.37 | analia | gravity: i suppouse i will have an hybrid again |
| 23:33.38 | hogballs | anyone: i dont understand this help: java-package |
| 23:33.39 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: I have a TNT2 M64. For a while it didn't work, now it does but regularly freezes (though not a complete lockup) 3D or xv images. |
| 23:33.41 | gravity | analia: Ah, it's not in sarge because of the freez and it has an RC bug of some sort |
| 23:33.41 | qbwdp | i installed debian with netinstall, used linux26 so it installed 2.6.8-2, i take /boot/config-2.6.8-2 and stick it in the one i downloaded 2.6.11.8 from kernel.org, compile it and it does not boot up, where as the installed one 2.6.8-2 boots up my adaptec2100s scsi card and drives fine? what gives? after that i did compile i2o, scsi and ext3, reiserfs support in the kernel and still it does not boot |
| 23:33.42 | marska | Shingouz: Its not in the Debian installer under 2.6 I tried it. I was always told the firmware wasn't free and that I was out of luck. |
| 23:33.44 | darkcmd | mentor: the kBSD port uses the same packages the GNU Linux one does as I see? |
| 23:33.46 | abrotman | analia: is something wrong with MPI ? |
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| 23:34.04 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: i have the same chipset. They owned me back in the day. |
| 23:34.05 | darkcmd | abrotman: am i correct? |
| 23:34.06 | analia | abrotman: is simply never used MPI |
| 23:34.10 | analia | i will read and learn |
| 23:34.11 | abrotman | hogballs: it's not hard .. read the man page |
| 23:34.18 | marska | Shingouz: I really don't have the standing or contacts to make that request. You know how OSS coders are. |
| 23:34.20 | mentor | darkcmd: I don't understand what you just said... |
| 23:34.21 | shingouz | marska: Ok, so that is the reason why it is not supported then, it is the firmware. Damn Realtek |
| 23:34.21 | gravity | Oh, it's maintained by a busy guy. That's a shame. |
| 23:34.24 | abrotman | darkcmd: probably with a recompile |
| 23:34.34 | blizzow | is there a way to make packages compile from source in debian? |
| 23:34.37 | abrotman | mentor: he wants to know if debian/linux packages work on debian/bsd |
| 23:34.40 | mentor | coll: when it's up? It runs when the interface is brought up... |
| 23:34.44 | gravity | blizzow: apt-build |
| 23:34.44 | abrotman | analia: it's in debian .. that's what you asked |
| 23:34.48 | Guerin | blizzow: no, they all get made from fairy dust |
| 23:34.48 | marska | Shingouz: Makes life difficult for people who want to use Debian. So I'm stuck with Ubuntu. |
| 23:34.48 | gravity | blizzow: But why do you want to? |
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| 23:35.05 | darkcmd | abrotman: so the kBSD and GNU\Linux use different ports packages? |
| 23:35.07 | Guerin | marska: oh, that pesky dfsg |
| 23:35.11 | coll | mentor: thats what im saying. when ppp0 goes up the firewall script i put in ip-up.d doesnt run |
| 23:35.12 | gravity | marska: Complain to your wireless card maker. Please! |
| 23:35.21 | analia | thanks abrotman , gravity . i will try mpi and if it does not meet my needs then i will continue with the hybrid installation. |
| 23:35.22 | tdonahue | anyone know a good way to track down a patch from before the git conversion? |
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| 23:35.27 | abrotman | darkcmd: probably a good bet .. you might want to try reading the docs for the bsd port |
| 23:35.27 | darkcmd | abrotman: i mean apt |
| 23:35.29 | Guerin | marska: blame the damn vendors who release non-free drivers |
| 23:35.30 | blizzow | gravity: thanks. |
| 23:35.30 | GrEg-CaInEs | #the_hotspot |
| 23:35.34 | gravity | marska: Debian would love to have Free firmware that could go in to the archive |
| 23:35.34 | tdonahue | errr... a patch to a the kernel |
| 23:35.39 | abrotman | GrEg-CaInEs: leave now |
| 23:35.40 | gravity | blizzow: Why do you want to do this though? |
| 23:35.41 | mentor | coll: what's the script called? |
| 23:35.48 | hogballs | abrotman, im in sarge . i dont know what they mean by Cf. and kernal package differences |
| 23:35.51 | gravity | !ops GrEg-CaInEs spamming the chan |
| 23:35.51 | oneo | hey all - my debian box is freezing at the line "inode cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)" during startup, shortly after i choose what kernel to boot. Even if i choose to boot in safe mode it stops booting there and ceases to respond...does anyone know what this could indicate? I didnt change any hardware or software configurations...i just moved my pc from my school to home |
| 23:35.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: GrEg-CaInEs spamming the chan |
| 23:35.57 | blizzow | Kind of like scaling Everest, 'cause it's there. |
| 23:35.59 | coll | mentor: i named it rc.firewall |
| 23:36.03 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 23:36.03 | marska | Guerin: I'm saying that regardless, it really messes up people who want to use Debian on their laptops. |
| 23:36.07 | abrotman | hogballs: huh? |
| 23:36.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@hlfx63-2a-226.ns.sympatico.ca] by mentor |
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| 23:36.14 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 23:36.15 | Guerin | marska: life's like that |
| 23:36.23 | npx | It's pretty well acepted that the primary reason for Windows' instability is bad drivers... what kind of crack must you be on to use those drivers through an emulation layer on another operating system!? |
| 23:36.26 | MobyTurbo | mentor: thanks |
| 23:36.33 | abrotman | hogballs: you download the bin .. you run make-jpkg or whatever it is this week on it .. then it will tell you an associated package to install .. that's it |
| 23:36.34 | mentor | coll: possibly run-parts ignores things with '.'s in the name... |
| 23:36.36 | hogballs | abrotman, i dont understand what they want me to do |
| 23:36.49 | marska | Guerin: Yes, it is. But its a barrier to having Debian and generally Linux adopted on a widerscale. |
| 23:36.53 | darkcmd | abrotman: whoa.. the kBSD uses it's own apt repo.. good to know |
| 23:37.03 | npx | Fuck hacing Debian and generally linux adopted on a wider scale |
| 23:37.04 | marska | Shingouz: Thank you. Your attitude was refreshing. |
| 23:37.06 | cinix | What is with gstreamer? Someone mentioned it, checked it gstreamer-properties out, but ALSA doesn't appear. |
| 23:37.09 | gravity | marska: Debian has a contract with its users and the community. We have to follow it. |
| 23:37.13 | mentor | npx: Yes, at least Windows seems to be able to use protected mode mostly properly now :) |
| 23:37.15 | abrotman | darkcmd: i would imagine system calls are slightly different .. so they'd have to use different binaries .. but probably same source |
| 23:37.16 | darkcmd | but why are the BSD kernels.... and kernel build tools in the GNU\Linux repo? |
| 23:37.29 | coll | mentor: ok ill try without the . |
| 23:37.31 | npx | Debian: get Free or go home. |
| 23:37.32 | shingouz | marska: If you can, bitch to REaltek about it, maybe if enoug people complain they change something |
| 23:37.38 | challenged | cinic: try this edit the gstreamer gconf settings to use alsasink instead of osssink |
| 23:37.41 | gravity | darkcmd: There's a project to port Debian to them |
| 23:37.50 | darkcmd | abrotman: hence the reason why they have different apt repositories |
| 23:37.50 | darkcmd | :D |
| 23:37.53 | coll | mentor: have you any experience with masquerading identds? |
| 23:37.55 | marska | Shingouz: Ya.. Doubt they care really. |
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| 23:38.04 | darkcmd | gravity: what do you mean? |
| 23:38.06 | marska | Shingouz: I still bought the damn thing, thats all they care about. |
| 23:38.06 | mentor | coll: no :) |
| 23:38.11 | analia | abrotman: does mpi supports the "fork & forget" policy of mosix? i mean, does new process unaware of cluster benefit from the cluster ? |
| 23:38.12 | coll | heh ok |
| 23:38.12 | abrotman | darkcmd: yeah .. but should really be the same source packages .. but somehow it wouldn't surprise if it weren't |
| 23:38.22 | shingouz | marska: True. That is a big reason why I do not touch Realtek with a ten foot pole |
| 23:38.24 | gravity | darkcmd: Oh, never mind. I missed your earlier stuff |
| 23:38.35 | abrotman | analia: i don't think it does that .. i think there's a channel for MPI if you want me to find it |
| 23:38.47 | marska | Shingouz: I wasn't aware of this problem at the time. If I had been, I would of bought an AMD notebook. |
| 23:38.48 | *** part/#debian n1mh (~n1mh@175.4.223.82.arsystel.com) |
| 23:38.59 | marska | fuck intel and realtek |
| 23:39.11 | suifur | !uck intel and realtek |
| 23:39.15 | suifur | !fuck intel and realtek |
| 23:39.30 | abrotman | marska: why intel? |
| 23:39.31 | challenged | cinix, : heres more on it...theres 2 bits to change i think : gconf-editor for alsasink and alsasrc, instead of osssink and osssrc, |
| 23:39.32 | darkcmd | So Debian kFreeBSD-gnu uses its own apt repository? |
| 23:39.39 | mentor | Yup. hardware without interface specifications is bad. |
| 23:39.41 | abrotman | for binaries .. it should |
| 23:39.41 | analia | abrotman: #mpi or what? |
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| 23:39.49 | abrotman | analia: i thought it was there .. let me look |
| 23:39.49 | mentor | Centrino is marketing drivel too... |
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| 23:40.12 | marska | Abrotman: I hate Sony more, but generally Intel works to the exclusion of other companies. If it wasn't for AMD, we'd still be chugging on PIII's I think. |
| 23:40.26 | abrotman | marska: the intel devices work decently well |
| 23:40.54 | marska | Abrotman: Yes they do.. But they are an all encompassing monopoly. Monoplies don't foster innovation |
| 23:41.04 | abrotman | marska: MS says they do! |
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| 23:41.17 | blizzow | gravity: I don't see an apt-build command, do I have to get that package first? |
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| 23:41.23 | marska | Abrotman: I cracked a smile |
| 23:41.24 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 23:41.26 | gravity | blizzow: Yes |
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| 23:41.48 | abrotman | analia: i thought there was a channel .. but i can't find it |
| 23:41.52 | abrotman | marska: sorry |
| 23:41.58 | abrotman | analia: sorry :( |
| 23:41.59 | blizzow | apt-get apt-build didn't work. Do you know which package I need to get? |
| 23:42.04 | karsten | analia: This is just plain wierd. With 9 workspaces and ~40 windows, losing track of stuff gets a tad annoying. |
| 23:42.07 | analia | no problem abrotman . thanks you again! |
| 23:42.17 | gravity | blizzow: What are you running? |
| 23:42.19 | marska | abrotman: No need to be. |
| 23:42.23 | analia | karsten: oh. damn!! that really looks bad |
| 23:42.26 | karsten | abrotman: 16:32 < abrotman> karsten: yes there is |
| 23:42.28 | blizzow | Debian Sarge. |
| 23:42.29 | analia | karsten: sarge? |
| 23:42.35 | abrotman | karsten: context ? |
| 23:43.06 | karsten | analia: Testing/Unstable. So, yeah, sorta. |
| 23:43.06 | gravity | blizzow: I have a hard time believing you |
| 23:43.12 | karsten | analia: 0.91.0 |
| 23:43.13 | analia | karsten: alredy tryed to mv GNUStep GNUStep.backup and starting again? |
| 23:43.14 | karsten | abrotman: ^^ |
| 23:43.15 | MrKeuner | how can I create a symlink as /dev/cdrecorder to /dev/hdc? It is getting removed everytime I reboot. Should I play with /etc/udev ? which config file there? |
| 23:43.25 | gravity | blizzow: apt-build is in sarge right now |
| 23:43.27 | abrotman | karsten: ignore .. i thought you were answering analia's question about clustering |
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| 23:43.44 | karsten | analia: If it keeps up, I'll try a full session restart. I seem to have lost track of miniwindows for a terminal.... |
| 23:43.45 | npx | Anyone know of a document describing zope installation/configuration on Sarge? |
| 23:43.56 | abrotman | apt-get install zope! |
| 23:43.57 | npx | It seems to differ quite a bit from mainline zope |
| 23:44.07 | gravity | npx: /usr/share/doc/zope |
| 23:44.08 | analia | and F11 key shows tasks? |
| 23:44.14 | aFlag | npx, don't use the zope from the repository |
| 23:44.18 | aFlag | it's rather old |
| 23:44.20 | analia | i always keep an F11 menu under my pillow :) |
| 23:44.24 | npx | aFlag, I was hoping to avoid that =( |
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| 23:44.38 | npx | but thanks! |
| 23:44.38 | karsten | npx: apt-cache search zope | grep -- -doc |
| 23:44.59 | aFlag | npx, i think you're better off using stow to install it |
| 23:45.00 | karsten | npx: ...and in general, /usr/share/doc/<pckg> |
| 23:45.00 | blizzow | gravity: cat /etc/devian_version returns 3.1 |
| 23:45.07 | abrotman | aFlag: which version of debian ? |
| 23:45.07 | marska | My back hurts.. Anyone know a decent asian masoose service in lower Los Angeles? |
| 23:45.15 | aFlag | 2.6 |
| 23:45.18 | gravity | blizzow: Dunno what to tell you dude. apt-build is in testing according to packages.debian.org |
| 23:45.20 | abrotman | marska: i know a moose in ME |
| 23:45.23 | npx | aFlag, I'm not familiar with stow - URL? |
| 23:45.34 | abrotman | npx: /msg dpkg stow |
| 23:45.39 | karsten | npx: ...or aptitude install dwww swish+; http://localhost/dwww |
| 23:45.40 | blizzow | apt-build returns command not found |
| 23:45.48 | karsten | s/swish+/swish++/ |
| 23:45.51 | abrotman | !find bin/apt-build |
| 23:45.57 | gravity | blizzow: You need to install the package |
| 23:45.57 | karsten | !install |
| 23:45.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install is To test sarge (upcoming Debian 3.1) see <http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/>. For woody (Debian 3.0), see http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or the official guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 23:45.58 | aFlag | npx, there's a stow package but i don't know the url |
| 23:45.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/apt-build' (1): (/usr/bin/apt-build) in devel/apt-build. |
| 23:46.02 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:46.02 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 23:46.08 | abrotman | !installit |
| 23:46.08 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 23:46.10 | npx | aFlag, I'll look into it |
| 23:46.11 | npx | thx everyone |
| 23:46.12 | abrotman | karsten: that one ? |
| 23:46.15 | karsten | !installit. |
| 23:46.15 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 23:46.22 | karsten | abrotman: Yes. |
| 23:46.27 | karsten | @win abrotman |
| 23:46.29 | ravenbird | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
| 23:46.37 | blizzow | gravity: apt-get apt-build fails. Is there another packagename maybe? |
| 23:46.51 | shingouz | blizzow: apt-get install foo. man apt-get |
| 23:46.53 | gravity | blizzow: Not that I know of |
| 23:46.58 | gravity | ugh |
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| 23:47.12 | abrotman | blizzow: apt-get INSTALL apt-build |
| 23:47.15 | abrotman | lowercase of course |
| 23:47.15 | jarrot^currie | #the_hotspot |
| 23:47.15 | marska | Gravity, Guerian, Shingouz: Thanks alot. Its been very good talking with ya, your civil and very polite. Wish we had more people like ya. |
| 23:47.19 | gravity | blizzow: Learn to use your tools. WTF are you trying to use apt-build when you don't even know how to install a fucking program? |
| 23:47.23 | jarrot^currie | #the_hotspot |
| 23:47.25 | abrotman | !ops jarrot^currie spamming channel |
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| 23:47.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jarrot^currie spamming channel |
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| 23:47.40 | gravity | blizzow: Learn the basics first |
| 23:47.42 | abrotman | and he was .. the last guy mentor banned |
| 23:47.42 | shingouz | marska: I guess we have a good day today ;) |
| 23:47.52 | jarrot^currie | #the_hotspot |
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| 23:47.57 | blizzow | gravity: I finished my first install of debian five minutes ago. What do you think I'm doing when I ask a question....maybe learning? |
| 23:47.58 | analia | well. i go. thanks all! |
| 23:48.03 | jarrot^currie | #the_hotspot |
| 23:48.06 | streuner | jarrot^currie: go away |
| 23:48.12 | gravity | blizzow: Then why aren't you just learning the basics rather than this stuff? |
| 23:48.17 | jarrot^currie | nope |
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| 23:48.21 | bucky | what's up with these Canuckians today? |
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| 23:48.28 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 23:48.29 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 23:48.31 | challenged | is it sunday? |
| 23:48.32 | gravity | blizzow: Start with apt and aptitude. |
| 23:48.36 | gravity | challenged: Sadly, no |
| 23:48.59 | challenged | gravity: moron season begins on sunday........is he early? |
| 23:49.05 | blizzow | because I would consider apt-build fairly basic. A monkey can choose what packages to install on a system. |
| 23:49.23 | abrotman | mentor: thanks |
| 23:49.29 | gravity | blizzow: No offense, but apt-build doesn't make you a rocket scientist either. |
| 23:49.42 | abrotman | gravity: you mean .. i have to quit my job ? |
| 23:49.43 | gravity | blizzow: In addition, you can't even install a package yet, so you haven't even reached monkey status by your own standard |
| 23:49.55 | hogballs | i have nothing showing for man make-jpkg but i do have instructions for man make-kpkg |
| 23:49.57 | gravity | walk then run |
| 23:49.58 | shingouz | gravity: Ouch :) |
| 23:50.02 | mentor | I'm sure they'll be back... |
| 23:50.02 | tdonahue | exit |
| 23:50.21 | abrotman | hogballs: make-j2se maybe ? |
| 23:50.32 | blizzow | none taken, thanks for teaching me that apt-get install foo installs a package. Hopefully, I've graduated from monkey status and can now watch debian compile packages. |
| 23:51.08 | nevyn | hogballs: java-package |
| 23:51.09 | abrotman | hogballs: it's make-jpkg |
| 23:51.15 | abrotman | hogballs: you have to install java-package |
| 23:51.15 | nevyn | abrotman: they moved it. |
| 23:51.18 | abrotman | then use make-jpkg |
| 23:51.24 | nevyn | right. |
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| 23:52.19 | hogballs | No manual entry for make-jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin |
| 23:52.20 | abrotman | mentor: rodizio ? |
| 23:52.28 | abrotman | hogballs: i'm gonna smack you |
| 23:52.31 | hogballs | haha |
| 23:52.38 | hogballs | apt get install java package |
| 23:52.43 | hogballs | right? |
| 23:52.43 | abrotman | apt-get install java-package |
| 23:52.45 | shingouz | apt-get |
| 23:52.57 | abrotman | JUST LIKE THAT |
| 23:53.20 | blizzow | On another note gravity, I think your attitude sucks. |
| 23:53.30 | gravity | blizzow: I encourage walking before running. That's all. |
| 23:53.33 | shingouz | blizzow: You're welcome |
| 23:53.35 | gravity | blizzow: I also encourage reading the docs. |
| 23:53.43 | abrotman | blizzow: do you want a refund ? |
| 23:54.01 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:54.06 | paulswm | !prize abrotman |
| 23:54.10 | abrotman | !prise paulswm |
| 23:54.11 | gravity | blizzow: I especially encourage reading the docs and searching for the answer yourself before asking for help. |
| 23:54.15 | exerd | where is all the icons located? |
| 23:54.18 | hogballs | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 23:54.18 | hogballs | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.21 | paulswm | !lart abrotman |
| 23:54.22 | mentor | abrotman: rodizo? |
| 23:54.22 | abrotman | paulswm: you always get blown apart |
| 23:54.26 | abrotman | !rodizio |
| 23:54.28 | abrotman | hrm |
| 23:54.32 | abrotman | mentor: let me find url |
| 23:54.33 | gravity | blizzow: Do you think I'm being unreasonable? |
| 23:54.43 | paulswm | abrotman: I know, what happened to the Welshman and the goat? |
| 23:54.50 | abrotman | dunno |
| 23:54.59 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 23:55.03 | paulswm | HAH |
| 23:55.05 | abrotman | mentor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodizio .. i was introduced to it as "Meatfest" :) |
| 23:55.15 | hogballs | :< |
| 23:55.22 | mentor | An Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman walk into a bar, and the barman says: "Is this some kind of joke?" |
| 23:55.30 | abrotman | !info java-package sarge |
| 23:55.32 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.23 (sarge), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 23:55.33 | gravity | mentor: :-) |
| 23:55.33 | paulswm | HAHAHA |
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| 23:55.41 | abrotman | hogballs: do you have contrib in your sources ? |
| 23:55.49 | Phated | mentor: Heh. |
| 23:55.50 | hogballs | hell if i know |
| 23:55.55 | abrotman | hogballs: you should |
| 23:56.01 | abrotman | they're your sources |
| 23:56.07 | blizzow | gravity: to me, it's a matter of efficiency. I didn't want to search around the man pages for apt-get and look around for a package called apt build. I tried a few commands that I thought were reasonable and decided it would be more efficient to ask someone who actually knew what they were doing. |
| 23:56.09 | hogballs | where is sources at |
| 23:56.18 | hogballs | is the file called sources.list? |
| 23:56.21 | abrotman | !tell hogballs about contrib |
| 23:56.32 | exerd | where is all the icons located? |
| 23:56.33 | blizzow | Do you think that's unreasonable? |
| 23:56.37 | gravity | blizzow: Well, I've got other things to be done too. |
| 23:56.38 | paulswm | I hate to miss the hogballs - abrotman party, but I must go, stay safe all |
| 23:56.40 | shingouz | hogballs: Yes. /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:56.44 | abrotman | hogballs: basically .. add contrib to the end of your source line |
| 23:56.47 | gravity | blizzow: I try and help people who really need the help, not who are just being lazy. |
| 23:56.53 | Phated | paulswm: Nono stay and watch! Indubitably more amusing than CSI! |
| 23:57.04 | useruser | exerd: /usr/share/icons/ perhaps |
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| 23:57.07 | gravity | blizzow: For what it's worth, I've put a lot of time in to learning what I know. |
| 23:57.09 | abrotman | Phated: he ran .. he should .. he'll get in trouble .. and he doesn't want to be in the doghouse again |
| 23:57.13 | Phated | :( |
| 23:57.16 | exerd | tnx |
| 23:57.21 | abrotman | gravity: pshaw .. took me two weeks :) |
| 23:57.52 | gravity | blizzow: So yes, I do think you're being ureasonable to expect others to do all the work for you. |
| 23:57.59 | gravity | blizzow: You didn't even bother to google it |
| 23:58.01 | exerd | i mean the application icons |
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| 23:58.02 | addNtoX | is it normal that in /var/cache/apt/archives is another directory named archives? |
| 23:58.10 | addNtoX | like /var/cache/apt/archives/archives |
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| 23:58.23 | abrotman | no |
| 23:58.56 | addNtoX | how can i find out where this directory comes from? |
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| 23:59.10 | abrotman | addNtoX: is there anything in it ? |
| 23:59.37 | addNtoX | yes, loads of .debs from 2004-07-15 |
| 23:59.39 | darkcmd | so if I install Debian GNU\Linux am I getting a linux only platform.. with linux only packages in the repo? |
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| 23:59.48 | abrotman | addNtoX: oh well .. just delete it .. doubt you need it anymore :) |
| 23:59.56 | abrotman | darkcmd: yes |
