| 00:00.05 | abrotman | erm .. food .. shoot |
| 00:00.06 | addNtoX | ok, thank you abrotman :) |
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| 00:01.06 | darkcmd | abrotman: so I'm only getting linux packages |
| 00:01.08 | darkcmd | not bsd packages |
| 00:01.13 | darkcmd | linux only |
| 00:01.14 | abrotman | darkcmd: yes |
| 00:01.28 | hogballs | abrotman, so since i have like 8 ftp servers listed then i got to add the word contrib after the word main (space before) |
| 00:01.40 | abrotman | hogballs: use the freaking main debian repo line |
| 00:01.41 | hogballs | after each line? |
| 00:01.44 | abrotman | fuck no |
| 00:01.56 | abrotman | hogballs: how many are main debian repos ? |
| 00:02.01 | abrotman | did you mix sarge/sid ? |
| 00:02.06 | blizzow | gravity: a: there was no requirement of you to answer, so is it truly unreasonable of me to ask a question in an open forum? b: I can't be blamed for your inefficiencies in learning, you can be a proud genius who took an eternity to figure something out, or a humble idiot who asked a question to get something done, I guess it's your choice. c: You don't know if I bothered to google it or not, I'd say that you'd define that assumption as unreasonable, woul |
| 00:02.09 | Gnea | deb http://some.server.com sarge main contrib non-free |
| 00:02.31 | Gnea | lol |
| 00:02.40 | gravity | blizzow: You pretty much said that you typed a few random things in to the console and didn't get anything out, then came running for help |
| 00:02.42 | abrotman | !tell blizzow about refcard |
| 00:02.43 | Gnea | abrotman: they're out in force today huh |
| 00:02.45 | gravity | blizzow: I'm not trying to insult you |
| 00:02.50 | abrotman | Gnea: heh |
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| 00:02.58 | gravity | blizzow: But I learned linux on my own. Lots of searching and reading docs. |
| 00:03.06 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:03.14 | gravity | blizzow: So I have little sympathy for people who can't even do a single google search |
| 00:03.15 | Gnea | blizzow: this is irc, best not to take it too literally/personally |
| 00:03.16 | hanzo | Hi all! |
| 00:03.27 | Gnea | shingouz: piss off :P |
| 00:03.39 | gravity | blizzow: You're right, I had no obligation to help you. Just as you have no obligation to take my advice: learn the basics |
| 00:03.52 | shingouz | Gnea: Sorry, had to. BTW, abrotman started me on that ;) |
| 00:03.58 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:04.02 | abrotman | no way~ |
| 00:04.05 | abrotman | don't blame me! |
| 00:04.08 | Gnea | shingouz: no, no you didn't. |
| 00:04.10 | gravity | blizzow: But your attitude really doesn't make it rewarding to hand out free advice, let alone spend my time putting together a free distribution for your pleasure |
| 00:04.18 | abrotman | !steal shingouz's beer |
| 00:04.33 | shingouz | Gnea: Ok, sorry. bad joke on my part, no offense intended |
| 00:04.38 | abrotman | gravity: i get lots of pleasure .. makes me feel dirty :) |
| 00:04.46 | hogballs | abrotman, i put my list file in the flood room |
| 00:04.48 | hogballs | can u peek over at it? |
| 00:04.50 | abrotman | gravity: they come in .. but don't help much |
| 00:04.54 | abrotman | hogballs: /msg dpkg u |
| 00:04.57 | Gnea | blizzow: if you wanna sit there and talk to us like we don't know what we're doing, then pay us, otherwise go RTFM .. or just state the precise nature of youru problem and be patient. |
| 00:05.03 | abrotman | hogballs: and i'm not there .. how could i look after you post it ? |
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| 00:05.20 | hogballs | k |
| 00:05.38 | Gnea | man |
| 00:05.43 | Gnea | i think my video card is dyin' |
| 00:06.01 | [Granger] | heh |
| 00:06.06 | Gnea | http://gnea.net/nvidia/issue/ <-- some info and pictures on it |
| 00:06.10 | [Granger] | Gnea: he couldn't afford us |
| 00:06.16 | abrotman | hogballs: are you fucking kidding me .. do you enjoy wasting bandwidth? |
| 00:06.17 | gravity | ew... nvidia |
| 00:06.18 | Gnea | [Granger]: obviously |
| 00:06.28 | Gnea | gravity: stfu, better than ati |
| 00:06.35 | hogballs | abrotman, haha |
| 00:06.42 | abrotman | hogballs: you need to comment out a lot of those |
| 00:06.45 | gravity | Gnea: Meh... ati at least released specs so their Free drivers can be debugged :-) |
| 00:06.54 | abrotman | hogballs: you realize you're downloading the Packages file like 10 times right ? |
| 00:06.59 | Gnea | gravity: yeah and then they stopped. |
| 00:07.00 | hogballs | abrotman, i was just making sure i got all the packages availavle hhehe |
| 00:07.00 | [Granger] | gravity: damn ATI has linux drivers now? |
| 00:07.03 | Gnea | gravity: and so are thus lame. |
| 00:07.07 | [Granger] | </sarcasm> |
| 00:07.07 | shingouz | Gnea: 404 |
| 00:07.19 | gravity | Gnea: Just for the 3d stuff. Their 2d specs are available. |
| 00:07.20 | abrotman | hogballs: you're even downloading the security.d.o Packages file twice |
| 00:07.22 | Gnea | shingouz: do not discount the parent so easily. |
| 00:07.26 | gravity | Gnea: Still shitty and lame though, no question :-) |
| 00:07.31 | hogballs | abrotman, so just wack all but the first like 2 servers? |
| 00:07.39 | abrotman | hogballs: how about you back that file up .. and then delete it :) |
| 00:07.51 | Gnea | OOPS |
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| 00:07.55 | abrotman | hogballs: mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.old |
| 00:07.59 | Gnea | http://gnea.net/nvidia_issue/ |
| 00:08.06 | kadu | ok im using cvs to make cedega |
| 00:08.09 | kadu | but i got stuck |
| 00:08.14 | kadu | can somone help me? |
| 00:08.15 | abrotman | http://abrotman.net/gnea_issue/ |
| 00:08.18 | Gnea | kadu: we don't support cedega. |
| 00:08.25 | abrotman | no #cedega ? |
| 00:08.25 | [Granger] | kadu: how about reading the devel docs? |
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| 00:08.36 | shingouz | Gnea: Much better.. lemmesee.. |
| 00:08.38 | [Granger] | you don't grab a cvs image unless you know what you're doing |
| 00:08.40 | Gnea | abrotman: lol |
| 00:08.52 | abrotman | hogballs: then run apt-setup .. and pick ONE source .. and also use the security updates |
| 00:08.55 | [Granger] | cvs nightly builds aren't for everyone |
| 00:09.06 | kadu | then how eles can i play games? |
| 00:09.15 | gravity | Oh, there goes blizzow. I guess he didn't have much to say to that. |
| 00:09.25 | kadu | no. |
| 00:09.32 | kadu | duel boots suck |
| 00:09.41 | gravity | kadu: You could pay for a subscription. They provide Debian packages that work fine. |
| 00:09.45 | [Granger] | then go back and start reading the documentation |
| 00:09.46 | Gnea | kadu: alien |
| 00:09.50 | [Granger] | or do what gravity does |
| 00:10.01 | Gnea | that's all i'll say |
| 00:10.04 | Gnea | and nothing more |
| 00:10.05 | JaMaLz | well is there any site or book help how to change splash etc ? |
| 00:10.10 | Gnea | if that doesn't do it then i dunno |
| 00:10.15 | abrotman | !bootsplash |
| 00:10.15 | dpkg | [bootsplash] http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf |
| 00:10.15 | gravity | JaMaLz: What splash? |
| 00:10.26 | JaMaLz | splash screen |
| 00:10.39 | gravity | JaMaLz: For...? What program? |
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| 00:11.00 | JaMaLz | gravity i wanna create a splash screen for my debian sarge |
| 00:11.07 | hogballs | abrotman, ok im done now |
| 00:11.11 | gravity | JaMaLz: For boot? |
| 00:11.15 | gravity | JaMaLz: Or for Gnome? |
| 00:11.19 | gravity | JaMaLz: Or for Gimp? |
| 00:11.20 | JaMaLz | gravity yeah |
| 00:11.23 | JaMaLz | for boot |
| 00:11.29 | abrotman | hogballs: ok .. so repaste your sources |
| 00:11.34 | gravity | JaMaLz: Follow the links above that dpkg just said |
| 00:12.00 | hogballs | ;( |
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| 00:12.04 | JaMaLz | ok gravity |
| 00:12.06 | kadu | Gnea: can you just help me , my problem is, when cvs is configuring an error comes up saying that a file named libGL.a is not allowing OpenGL surport and it says to delete it. but when i go try to delete it, it says not allowed. |
| 00:12.06 | coll | how can i change syslog.conf so that iptables log to its very own /var/log/iptables.log? |
| 00:12.23 | gravity | JaMaLz: I've never set that up myself to give you more help, but they should have good info at the other end of those links |
| 00:12.27 | directhex | kadu, you could play Linux games, or get a TransGaming subscription with access to the binaries (which are rather more useful than the cvs) |
| 00:12.45 | Gnea | kadu: i don't take demands. |
| 00:12.48 | kadu | im only 14, i have no creditcard |
| 00:12.51 | Gnea | what the hell |
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| 00:13.09 | gravity | kadu: It wants you to delete libGL? That's insane |
| 00:13.24 | kadu | gravity: that is what it says |
| 00:13.29 | gravity | Ugh |
| 00:13.35 | directhex | kadu, if it wants you to delete random files, you're doing something wrong |
| 00:13.37 | gravity | kadu: That sounds like a bad idea in general. |
| 00:13.41 | Gnea | kadu: well are you doing this as a regular user? |
| 00:13.50 | directhex | kadu, and you can buy a cedega subscription with a debit card or via paypal |
| 00:14.04 | gravity | Last time I compiled cedega (albeit, it was a while ago) it didn't need anything like that |
| 00:14.17 | gravity | On the contrary, it needed the right header files to link to libGL |
| 00:14.22 | kadu | gravity: i have a nvidia card |
| 00:14.29 | gravity | ugh |
| 00:14.42 | kadu | gravity: i think i need mesa headers, but i dont know how to get them |
| 00:14.49 | directhex | apt-get install cvs build-essential bison flex-old libasound2-dev x-window-system-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg62-dev libfreetype6-dev libxrender-dev libttf2 libttf-dev libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-gfx1.2-dev msttcorefonts libfontconfig1-dev |
| 00:14.50 | gravity | kadu: Install the x-dev package |
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| 00:15.06 | directhex | ^^ |
| 00:15.09 | gravity | Which reminds me... I need to get back to that |
| 00:15.12 | kadu | pro. |
| 00:15.14 | Gnea | shingouz: the card is seated just fine, but when it displays it doesn't display right - what you're seeing is zgv |
| 00:15.31 | kadu | wow, now how do i copy paste. |
| 00:15.41 | Gnea | heh you don't |
| 00:15.43 | Gnea | at least not in here |
| 00:15.54 | kadu | awww hell! |
| 00:15.58 | directhex | highlight what you want to paste with the mouse |
| 00:16.00 | gravity | You can highlite and middle click |
| 00:16.00 | Gnea | read the /topic |
| 00:16.04 | directhex | then middle click where you want to |
| 00:16.05 | gravity | Just don't paste it in to here. |
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| 00:16.15 | gravity | Gnea: I think he wants to paste the command that directhex just gave him |
| 00:16.17 | gravity | To his term |
| 00:16.21 | kadu | yes |
| 00:16.34 | Gnea | safety nets are a good thing |
| 00:16.36 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:16.36 | gravity | kadu: Highlight the text you want to copy, then just middle click where you want it to go. It'll go there. |
| 00:16.44 | gravity | Gnea: Agreed |
| 00:17.19 | oneo | hey all - my linux box is freezing at the line "inode cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)" during startup, shortly after i choose what kernel to boot. Even if i choose to boot in safe mode it stops booting there and ceases to respond...does anyone know what this could indicate? I didnt change any hardware or software configurations...i just moved my pc from my school to home |
| 00:17.23 | shingouz | Gnea: The pics are not real clear, without flash they would show more detail but are you sure the cabling is 100%? Maybe some rf interference nearby that hits the cables too hard? Dying cable? |
| 00:17.27 | directhex | kadu, what are you planning on playing? |
| 00:17.33 | kadu | Steam |
| 00:17.40 | kadu | and warcraft 3 |
| 00:18.03 | challenged | mythtv is not in apt? |
| 00:18.08 | kadu | well thats not cool, it wont lemme highlight it |
| 00:18.09 | gravity | Wow. Is Steam supported by cedega? |
| 00:18.10 | oneo | i think it might be a problem with the memory |
| 00:18.15 | directhex | challenged, no. there's a mirror with it in |
| 00:18.20 | gravity | kadu: Just do the x-dev thing and go from there |
| 00:18.20 | hogballs | abrotman, god |
| 00:19.04 | challenged | directhex: hmm woody and sid according to the factoid 8( |
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| 00:19.29 | Gnea | shingouz: my photography skills are not at question here, i can't simply view the pics on the system because the vidcard is in the state that it IS - without flash they would have shitty detail (i think one of them is...) yes the cabling is 100% |
| 00:19.35 | kadu | says i already have that |
| 00:19.42 | Gnea | shingouz: hrm it could be that... |
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| 00:20.03 | Gnea | shingouz: i'm sure it's the card itself tho |
| 00:20.12 | kadu | gravity: it says i already have thats |
| 00:20.14 | kadu | that* |
| 00:20.47 | gravity | kadu: hrm |
| 00:21.06 | gravity | kadu: Try xlibs-dev |
| 00:21.38 | kadu | gravity: same thing |
| 00:21.44 | jorgp | are the sarge mirrors completely in sync? I am using debmirror for sarge and it completed saying all done, but when I run debian-cd on it lots of files fail with errors |
| 00:21.55 | gravity | kadu: Ok. Try xlibmesa-gl-dev |
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| 00:22.17 | gravity | Too many freaking metapackages in X |
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| 00:22.33 | kadu | gravity: same X.X |
| 00:23.10 | gravity | kadu: You should have the OpenGL headers you need |
| 00:23.20 | gravity | Last try would be x-window-system-dev |
| 00:23.26 | kadu | maybe.... you think i need nvidia opengl headers? |
| 00:23.36 | shingouz | Gnea: Yup, cards do get screwy and I was not trying to judge your photo skills, I merely tried to point out that using flash has some bad effects on the picture. I seem to be in a seriously non-diplomatic mood tonight, I am sorry for that. Better that I get some caffeine and try not to tick people off ;) |
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| 00:23.39 | gravity | Maybe. I don't know anything about nvidia |
| 00:24.02 | kadu | hmm |
| 00:24.17 | kadu | damn, now im stuck |
| 00:24.23 | JaMaLz | is there any other sites for these bootsplash |
| 00:24.26 | JaMaLz | for debian |
| 00:24.30 | kadu | so xfree86 came with mesa? |
| 00:24.35 | astronut | and i'm assuming you reinstalled lilo after modifying conf? |
| 00:24.39 | astronut | gah |
| 00:24.39 | JaMaLz | all asks for Added bootsplash-3.1.4-2.6.11.diff. |
| 00:24.41 | astronut | sorry, wrong window |
| 00:24.45 | gravity | kadu: You should probably ask in a cedega-specific place. Their message board or mailing list or something. |
| 00:24.55 | astronut | Why does my computer not boot with WOL when i shutdown from debian, but does when I do a toggle on/off or shtudown from grub or the system rescue live CD distro? |
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| 00:25.08 | happybunny | hi |
| 00:25.15 | kadu | man, screw this, 15 bucks isnt that much |
| 00:25.17 | happybunny | how can i tell which module/driver my nic is using? |
| 00:25.21 | astronut | happybunny: do you have a cotton tail? |
| 00:25.25 | happybunny | yup |
| 00:25.28 | gravity | happybunny: lsmod? |
| 00:25.40 | happybunny | that doesn't tell me what is using what tho |
| 00:25.45 | abrotman | hogballs: sorry .. i was on a phone call |
| 00:25.48 | happybunny | also lsmod lists xircom_cb, but 0 used |
| 00:25.54 | happybunny | does that mean noone is using that module? |
| 00:26.13 | astronut | happybunny: no |
| 00:26.19 | astronut | means no other modules are relying on it |
| 00:26.21 | gravity | happybunny: No, just that no other modules require that module to be there |
| 00:26.26 | happybunny | oh |
| 00:26.32 | happybunny | well here is situtation: |
| 00:26.47 | happybunny | installing debain, nic card works....after install nic card is there but wont get dhcp |
| 00:26.59 | happybunny | also wont work if i assign ip in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:27.09 | challenged | if freevo & mythTV have unstable and woody debs but no sarge debs should i be compiling from source |
| 00:27.13 | happybunny | but right now in install i get IP via dhcp just fine |
| 00:27.26 | hogballs | abrotman, hey in vi does :q! write changes? |
| 00:27.32 | happybunny | no |
| 00:27.35 | cafuego | happybunny: no |
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| 00:27.46 | happybunny | cafuego: no what? |
| 00:27.51 | astronut | did anyone answer happybunny's question? |
| 00:27.53 | astronut | screen froze |
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| 00:28.15 | happybunny | i understand lsmod now...need more help tho |
| 00:28.17 | gravity | happybunny: You put the right lines in /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp right? |
| 00:28.22 | happybunny | yup |
| 00:28.25 | Gnea | shingouz: hooked another monitor up, rebooting... |
| 00:28.26 | abrotman | hogballs: no ... :w! |
| 00:28.31 | happybunny | and by default install uses dhcp anyway |
| 00:28.40 | happybunny | and during install, nic works. |
| 00:28.51 | gravity | happybunny: Yeah, ok. Well... I can think of a few possibilities. |
| 00:28.52 | happybunny | upon boot into new install, eth0 is there and config'd, just no ip |
| 00:29.01 | gravity | hrm |
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| 00:29.07 | gravity | happybunny: What happens when you run ifup eht0 |
| 00:29.11 | gravity | er... eth0 |
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| 00:29.31 | happybunny | eth0 comes up, no IP. I do get NETDEV transmit errors while its up |
| 00:29.31 | herfo | happybunny: i've had wierd problems like that before, turned out it wasn't debian, but my switch/hub |
| 00:29.44 | happybunny | but during install all is fine |
| 00:29.44 | cafuego | Eh |
| 00:29.46 | herfo | oh thats different |
| 00:29.46 | cafuego | hogballs: no |
| 00:29.52 | cafuego | happybunny: tab gone bad |
| 00:29.57 | gravity | Interesting |
| 00:29.58 | happybunny | im thinking its the pcmcia issue? |
| 00:30.05 | abrotman | food food food!! |
| 00:30.05 | challenged | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.08 | bin11 | for ssh, changing the settings to allow X forwarding, is it necessary to restart sshd on the ssh server to reread the config file? |
| 00:30.11 | gravity | Sounds like a bad driver or something... |
| 00:30.12 | Gnea | shingouz: naw man the monitor's fine |
| 00:30.18 | hogballs | how the hell do i get out of vi |
| 00:30.20 | cafuego | happybunny: pcmcia? Don't add 'auto eth0' in interfaces. |
| 00:30.24 | happybunny | :q |
| 00:30.26 | herfo | hogballs: type :q! |
| 00:30.27 | Gnea | hogballs: :q! |
| 00:30.32 | cafuego | hogballs: With saving or without? |
| 00:30.39 | Gnea | hogballs: hit escape first |
| 00:30.40 | hogballs | with saving |
| 00:30.42 | challenged | hogballs: :q! = quit no save :qw = save and quit |
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| 00:30.45 | herfo | hogballs, actually: hit escaoe twice then :wq! |
| 00:30.47 | cafuego | hogballs: <esc>ZZ |
| 00:30.48 | abrotman | hogballs: :w! .. then :q |
| 00:30.49 | Gnea | :wq <-- save&quit |
| 00:30.51 | hogballs | ahh damn i forgot |
| 00:30.52 | happybunny | with no auto eth0 will i have to bring it up manually everytime? |
| 00:30.54 | cafuego | or :wq |
| 00:30.57 | cafuego | or :x |
| 00:30.58 | abrotman | or ZZ |
| 00:30.59 | hogballs | abrotman, ok im done |
| 00:31.00 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:31.03 | abrotman | hogballs: apt-get update |
| 00:31.23 | cafuego | happybunny: no, no. pmcia-cs will bring it up. |
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| 00:31.39 | happybunny | ill try it after this install |
| 00:31.46 | cafuego | happybunny: Currently the network init scripts sets it up up, so pcmcia-cs isn't touching it. |
| 00:31.46 | happybunny | weird that nic works now, just not later. |
| 00:31.51 | hogballs | k |
| 00:31.55 | Gnea | grrrr this sucks |
| 00:32.00 | gravity | I can imagine why... I wonder if that bug is fixed |
| 00:32.17 | shingouz | Gnea: Bad card in that case i guess. |
| 00:32.18 | gravity | happybunny: When you're done, could you submit an installation report for the debian installer so that bug can be fixed? |
| 00:32.23 | silvia | what do you mean? |
| 00:32.25 | abrotman | hogballs: done yet? |
| 00:32.27 | hogballs | i would go back in this chat but i guess my chat buffer ended |
| 00:32.29 | hogballs | ya im done |
| 00:32.36 | gravity | happybunny: That's something that really can and should be corrected in future releases of the installer |
| 00:32.38 | herfo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.38 | Gnea | actually i'll just find another one |
| 00:32.39 | silvia | what?? |
| 00:32.58 | Gnea | silvia: who the hell are you and wtf are you talking about |
| 00:33.00 | gravity | herfo: Totally depends on the program |
| 00:33.03 | hogballs | abrotman, yes and it downloaded more stuff than last update |
| 00:33.06 | abrotman | hogballs: apt-get install java-package |
| 00:33.08 | happybunny | gravity: sure...tell me how |
| 00:33.11 | silvia | god don't you know how to talk |
| 00:33.29 | Gnea | i'm typing not talking |
| 00:33.32 | herfo | gravity, its called pulsar-4.0.18, its an adsl userspace driver for linux (pulsar adsl cards) |
| 00:33.32 | Gnea | there's a difference. |
| 00:33.38 | hogballs | abrotman, ok done |
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| 00:33.41 | silvia | hello? |
| 00:33.46 | happybunny | hi silvia |
| 00:33.48 | gravity | happybunny: Just follow the instructions here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/report-template |
| 00:33.57 | abrotman | Gnea: you need DRAGON SPEAKING NATURALLY .. ONLY 5.34 AT WWW.CHEAPCRAP.COM |
| 00:33.58 | herfo | known to work on 2.6 and known to work on sarge, but i dont know :-> |
| 00:34.06 | abrotman | hogballs: so you have java-package now? |
| 00:34.09 | silvia | wat are you talkin about? |
| 00:34.11 | hogballs | abrotman, yes |
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| 00:34.20 | Gnea | abrotman: dude, that was it all along?! :P |
| 00:34.25 | gravity | herfo: You may need the whole kernel source |
| 00:34.27 | TwistedEmotions | Uhhh... I just got home... and my computer was in the middle of rebooting... wtf? Does anyone know how I can find out if it was a error or if it was someone who had taken over my computer? |
| 00:34.33 | abrotman | hogballs: so now .. make-jpkg on your java .bin file |
| 00:34.37 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.45 | abrotman | Gnea: extra space :) |
| 00:34.49 | happybunny | gravity: are you a debain developer? |
| 00:34.49 | gravity | TwistedEmotions: Unplug it from the net and poke around. Look for weird shit in logs. Etc. |
| 00:34.53 | gravity | happybunny: Yeah |
| 00:34.55 | abrotman | gravity: hide hide hide |
| 00:34.59 | gravity | hehe |
| 00:35.00 | silvia | bgusdilgusdigblsi |
| 00:35.02 | silvia | fguysdbvhjsdbvg |
| 00:35.03 | silvia | akdhgfushdfbvsdgvrbds |
| 00:35.04 | silvia | kdfhbgihjdbvdbyr |
| 00:35.05 | silvia | bvgfyiosdbtrv |
| 00:35.06 | silvia | gbsr |
| 00:35.06 | silvia | thsfyh |
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| 00:35.06 | TwistedEmotions | gravity: I'm a newb... what logs should I check? |
| 00:35.07 | herfo | gravity, too late :-) already installed kernel-source as well, i did notice however that default netinstall sarge was 2.8.6-2 and kernel-source was 2.8.6-15 should that matter? |
| 00:35.08 | happybunny | dont hide, just look for my bug report |
| 00:35.11 | abrotman | good enough |
| 00:35.16 | gravity | TwistedEmotions: I don't know. All of 'em? :-) |
| 00:35.32 | happybunny | can i scroll up in irssi? |
| 00:35.35 | TwistedEmotions | I changed the password on root? Should I be safe? |
| 00:35.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:35.38 | astronut | anyone here know a lot about APM? |
| 00:35.41 | herfo | TwistedEmotions, : check out /var/log/ |
| 00:35.45 | abrotman | astronut: hopefully not |
| 00:35.48 | TwistedEmotions | herfo thanks |
| 00:35.51 | gravity | herfo: Maybe. So long as you sync your kernel sources with the kernel you'll be running you should be fine there |
| 00:35.52 | astronut | abrotman: why not? |
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| 00:36.02 | gravity | happybunny: Well, I won't be the one fixing it :-) |
| 00:36.07 | hogballs | abrotman, its suggesting fakeroot mode should i goahead with their suggestion? |
| 00:36.12 | gravity | happybunny: I'm not working on that stuff right now |
| 00:36.16 | happybunny | as long as someone does! |
| 00:36.20 | abrotman | hogballs: you don't have a choice |
| 00:36.24 | hogballs | lol |
| 00:36.36 | gravity | happybunny: It sounds like a trivial thing to fix, so hopefully it'll be taken care of |
| 00:36.38 | astronut | happybunny: page up to scroll ((if no one answered) |
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| 00:36.55 | astronut | abrotman: why not for APM? |
| 00:36.57 | happybunny | thanks...was reading the docs |
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| 00:37.14 | silvia | hi |
| 00:37.24 | shingouz | silvia: ping |
| 00:37.33 | silvia | wat? |
| 00:37.47 | abrotman | astronut: usually broken |
| 00:37.56 | silvia | wat? |
| 00:37.57 | shingouz | silvia: Just a test... what's up? |
| 00:38.08 | silvia | not much |
| 00:38.12 | astronut | abrotman: i just want to be able to WOK |
| 00:38.12 | silvia | you |
| 00:38.14 | astronut | WOL* |
| 00:38.16 | astronut | for some reaons |
| 00:38.21 | astronut | when i shutdown from within debian |
| 00:38.21 | gravity | silvia: So... are you going to spam the channel again? |
| 00:38.25 | astronut | it won't boot from lan |
| 00:38.34 | FieldySnuts | haga |
| 00:38.40 | astronut | if i shutdown from grub, a live CD, or if i toggle the box on then off without booting, it will boot fine |
| 00:38.44 | cafuego | gravity: Would you like spam|autoignore for irssi? :-) |
| 00:38.56 | gravity | cafuego: I'm cool, thanks :-) |
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| 00:39.14 | cafuego | it automagically ignores people who meet debhelpers boot. |
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| 00:39.33 | gravity | hrm... tempting |
| 00:39.39 | silvia | hi |
| 00:39.39 | astronut | meh... |
| 00:39.41 | cafuego | I'll plonk it online anyway |
| 00:39.43 | directhex | even greycat has been booted by debhelper for flooding |
| 00:39.45 | gravity | On the other hand, a lot of people pasteflood without knowing what's up |
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| 00:39.53 | astronut | i find that even the best of us have accidently done a large paste |
| 00:39.57 | gravity | cafuego: I'll download it at the least :-) |
| 00:40.00 | hogballs | abrotman, ok done now what |
| 00:40.06 | gravity | astronut: True enough |
| 00:40.10 | astronut | accidently highlight and not realize it's on the clipboard |
| 00:40.11 | cafuego | gravity: yes, typically the kind of can't-read-topic moron you wnna ignore ;-) |
| 00:40.11 | JaMaLz | any one changed his bootsplash screen before |
| 00:40.12 | silvia | wat are you guys talkin bout? |
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| 00:40.14 | astronut | so i'd rather ignore manually |
| 00:40.15 | abrotman | hogballs: and now what? |
| 00:40.20 | herfo | jamalz: yea |
| 00:40.22 | hogballs | abrotman, it made a deb package.. while looking on the building i saw some errors like permission denied and stuff |
| 00:40.27 | silvia | ignore who |
| 00:40.29 | K_Dallas | could anyone please let me know which commands i have to run to use clamav? thanks |
| 00:40.34 | directhex | JaMaLz, yes, but it's long, complex, and not trivial, i can't be bothered explaining when it's bedtime |
| 00:40.39 | astronut | K_Dallas: clamscan -ir / |
| 00:40.41 | herfo | same |
| 00:40.43 | K_Dallas | freshclam is to update, right? |
| 00:40.44 | hogballs | abrotman, i am done. is there anything else to do? |
| 00:40.45 | silvia | hello |
| 00:40.48 | astronut | K_Dallas: yes |
| 00:40.48 | K_Dallas | ok, thank you astronut |
| 00:40.49 | gravity | cafuego: Hehe |
| 00:40.50 | Supaplex | K_Dallas: there are docs to =) |
| 00:40.52 | abrotman | hogballs: did it tell you to install another package ? |
| 00:40.53 | astronut | freshcalm to update, that to scan / |
| 00:41.02 | shingouz | !tell silvia about ask |
| 00:41.02 | silvia | uh |
| 00:41.18 | bucky | JaMaLz, bootsplash.org |
| 00:41.19 | FieldySnuts | !irritate silvia |
| 00:41.20 | dpkg | silvia: hi every1 who uses gnome lol |
| 00:41.22 | exerd | in wich file shall i put xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults if i want it to load at startup |
| 00:41.22 | hogballs | abrotman, no not at the end...it made the package |
| 00:41.34 | jetscreamer | !death |
| 00:41.34 | dpkg | somebody said death was what happens when you don't /msg, or the opposite of life |
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| 00:41.37 | abrotman | hogballs: so install it :) |
| 00:41.39 | gravity | exerd: ~/.xsession |
| 00:41.43 | K_Dallas | Supaplex, i know but i do not see anything in /etc/clamav |
| 00:41.44 | astronut | exerd: load on boot or xstartup? |
| 00:41.52 | exerd | xstartup |
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| 00:41.57 | Supaplex | K_Dallas: well docs don't belong there. |
| 00:41.59 | jetscreamer | !life |
| 00:42.00 | dpkg | Life? Don't talk to me about life. |
| 00:42.03 | astronut | exerd: then what gravity said |
| 00:42.05 | astronut | !42 |
| 00:42.05 | dpkg | i guess 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 00:42.05 | FieldySnuts | 42 |
| 00:42.06 | exerd | tnx |
| 00:42.08 | hogballs | abrotman, it was saying like mkdir .... permission denied |
| 00:42.10 | jetscreamer | !andtheamericanway |
| 00:42.17 | directhex | JaMaLz, essentially you need to patch your kernel source and init, compile a new initrd kernel, insert the bootsplash image into the initrd, and run a 16 bit color framebuffer console |
| 00:42.37 | jetscreamer | !420 |
| 00:42.37 | dpkg | i guess 420 is something some stoner made up |
| 00:42.41 | hogballs | abrotman, dpkg- install .....deb |
| 00:42.53 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 00:42.59 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 00:42.59 | FieldySnuts | bootsplash isn't worth it for all that trouble |
| 00:43.00 | K_Dallas | Supaplex, now that i know the command i can man it ;) |
| 00:43.03 | astronut | that can get annoying i bet |
| 00:43.11 | JaMaLz | directhex i uses console no x or g or d servers |
| 00:43.12 | astronut | dpkg --search foo |
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| 00:43.17 | abrotman | hogballs: man dpkg |
| 00:43.17 | astronut | !foo |
| 00:43.18 | dpkg | bar bir bor |
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| 00:43.44 | directhex | JaMaLz, that statement shows fairly obviousy that you don't have the skill level required to set it up. |
| 00:43.55 | Supaplex | K_Dallas: true :). apt-cache search clam ; dpkg -L clam-foo ; man clamy-foo (just a few ideas) |
| 00:43.58 | inc|freaky | hi all. how can i find out, which connection is taking up how much bandwith? because nload tells me i got incomming arround 1000kbit/s and i want to find out, where that comes from ... or which program causes this? |
| 00:44.00 | directhex | FieldySnuts, it's something i toss in when i have other reasons to compile a kernel |
| 00:44.10 | astronut | K_Dallas: check /sbin |
| 00:44.12 | astronut | err |
| 00:44.18 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.25 | happybunny | is there a way to tell which module or driver a nic is using? |
| 00:44.39 | FarrisG | how do I get a quicktime plugin working in mozilla/firefox? |
| 00:44.42 | directhex | happybunny, yes, "hwinfo --network" will give you that data |
| 00:44.48 | abrotman | hogballs: done yet? |
| 00:44.55 | abrotman | gravity: god damned server :) |
| 00:44.58 | hogballs | abrotman, yes |
| 00:45.03 | happybunny | thanks |
| 00:45.03 | gravity | abrotman: Nice |
| 00:45.04 | abrotman | hogballs: and now ? |
| 00:45.31 | JaMaLz | where to get the latest kernel for debian the main file cause i have no internet at my debian box |
| 00:45.32 | pingouin_ | someone own / have already tried a plextor recorder / tv tuner Tv402U ? |
| 00:45.34 | happybunny | hwinfo not found |
| 00:45.40 | hogballs | abrotman, im showing the plugins as installed now |
| 00:45.45 | JaMaLz | !dpkg kernel |
| 00:45.47 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.8, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc4, 2.4: 2.4.30, prepatch: 2.4.31-pre1, snapshot: 2.4.31-pre1-bk3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc3-mm3 |
| 00:45.47 | abrotman | hogballs: do we dance now ? |
| 00:45.59 | hogballs | abrotman, not yet |
| 00:46.02 | directhex | JaMaLz, you DEFINITELY don't have the knowhow to set up bootsplash. just stop now. |
| 00:46.14 | abrotman | hogballs: why the hell not? .. you need to be drunk to dance with men? |
| 00:46.20 | JaMaLz | directhex i got the manual printed |
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| 00:46.23 | hogballs | abrotman, ok dance now |
| 00:46.23 | FieldySnuts | .. |
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| 00:46.36 | hogballs | abrotman, thank you for your help |
| 00:46.40 | abrotman | !dance |
| 00:46.51 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: :: |
| 00:46.52 | FieldySnuts | ~smite dpkg |
| 00:47.05 | FieldySnuts | _ |
| 00:47.08 | directhex | JaMaLz, great, but also useless without a fair bit of background understanding - you also need debian-specific knowledge which isn't on bootsplash.org (it's on bootsplash.de) |
| 00:47.14 | abrotman | ~ping |
| 00:47.15 | apt | pong |
| 00:47.28 | inc|freaky | hi all. how can i find out, which connection is taking up how much bandwith? because nload tells me i got incomming arround 1000kbit/s and i want to find out, where that comes from ... or which program causes this? nobody is logged on using ftp :( |
| 00:47.37 | JaMaLz | directhex i got it from linux desktop hack book |
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| 00:47.48 | happybunny | netstat might help |
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| 00:47.54 | abrotman | !bootsplash |
| 00:47.55 | dpkg | hmm... bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf |
| 00:47.56 | FieldySnuts | !lart JaMaLz |
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| 00:48.01 | directhex | JaMaLz, and you _NEED_ an internet connection, there are a lot of packages on bootsplash.de which make the process more bearable. you also need kernel-package, plus build-essential, plus a kernel source package, and the kernel patch packages |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | directhex: fix the factoid ? |
| 00:48.07 | herfo | !adsl |
| 00:48.08 | dpkg | [adsl] (Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line) This is a new technology just starting to come out that is the phone company's answer to cable modems. It supports data speeds over 2 Mbps downstream (to the user) and slower speeds upstream (to the Internet). This technology should eventually supplant ISDN if it ever comes down to a reasonable price point. |
| 00:48.27 | herfo | doh :-)_ nothing i already didn't know |
| 00:48.31 | FieldySnuts | 'just starting to come out' :) |
| 00:48.33 | directhex | JaMaLz, i'll say once more, you do _NOT_ have the required skill to do what you want to do, without SERIOUSLY fucking up or going nowhere. bootsplash is NOT easy |
| 00:48.35 | JaMaLz | directhex i can download every thing : |
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| 00:48.55 | K_Dallas | is there a CD burner or tools under linux which could recognize 50MB business card size CDs as they are and not as 700MB CD? (i tried k3b and wrong info, same under windows with nero), thanks |
| 00:48.59 | gravity | Bootsplash really is one of those things that should be easy but isn't |
| 00:49.05 | JaMaLz | directhex well i'm not easy as well u can tell me where to get the kernel source and binary |
| 00:49.05 | gravity | Do Debian stock kernels support it yet? |
| 00:49.20 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 00:49.23 | gravity | Wait... they should. d-i has a bootsplash screen. |
| 00:49.27 | abrotman | gravity: no |
| 00:49.27 | directhex | JaMaLz, if you had the required skill set, you'd know already |
| 00:49.31 | directhex | gravity, no it doesn't |
| 00:49.36 | directhex | gravity, it has an isolinux image |
| 00:49.37 | abrotman | gravity: no .. that's a grub spalash |
| 00:49.38 | FieldySnuts | i'm not going to modify the core of my OS for pretty stuff for a few seconds at boot, that's just silly |
| 00:49.41 | JaMaLz | directhex i learned that manual rules |
| 00:49.42 | gravity | Ah |
| 00:49.50 | bucky | JaMaLz, http://bulma.net/impresion.phtml?nIdNoticia=1812 |
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| 00:50.09 | abrotman | gravity: oh .. not the d-i thing .. but grub in sarge has grub images |
| 00:50.14 | JaMaLz | does debian sarge got the latest kernel ? |
| 00:50.16 | directhex | i give up, i really do. i'm going to bed, and have no idea to watch the train-wreck that JaMaLz is insisting upon |
| 00:50.24 | directhex | *no desire |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: bah .. take out module support .. add bootsplash .. fair trade :) |
| 00:50.27 | FieldySnuts | bye directhex |
| 00:50.29 | gravity | JaMaLz: No |
| 00:51.00 | abrotman | JaMaLz: do you need it for some reason ? |
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| 00:51.27 | furrywolf | how do I make alsa decide which order my sound cards should be in? every time I reboot (exactly every time; it's not random), which is which swaps... |
| 00:51.28 | JaMaLz | abrotman i have 2.4 |
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| 00:51.54 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: wasting your time |
| 00:52.02 | abrotman | JaMaLz: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-38 |
| 00:52.04 | abrotman | err |
| 00:52.06 | abrotman | JaMaLz: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 00:52.19 | furrywolf | it's starting to get annoying. :) |
| 00:52.23 | JaMaLz | abrotman no internet at my debian box |
| 00:52.36 | abrotman | JaMaLz: why not? |
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| 00:52.50 | abrotman | and how do you expect to get a kernel.org kernel to even compile ? |
| 00:52.51 | JaMaLz | abrotman my old pc :P |
| 00:52.57 | FieldySnuts | nice. noaa.gov page mentioning openoffice http://www.srh.noaa.gov/sjt/html/news/news.html |
| 00:53.17 | Rile | I downloaded flash for mozilla and most flashes show up fine but the text is missing, is there anything i can do to fix this? |
| 00:53.21 | gravity | I always thought it was "internet connection first, then other stuff" |
| 00:53.34 | astronut | FieldySnuts: NICE! |
| 00:53.42 | gravity | Rile: Write a Free flash plugin that doesn't suck |
| 00:53.57 | gravity | Rile: (i.e. there's not much to be done about non-free software sucking, sadly) |
| 00:54.08 | astronut | Rile: ya, i had that porblem |
| 00:54.09 | astronut | uhmm |
| 00:54.10 | JaMaLz | well i got debian sarge 14 cds so why the internet needed updates i can download them |
| 00:54.11 | astronut | there is something you can do though |
| 00:54.37 | Rile | whats that? |
| 00:54.39 | astronut | make sure you have the 'msttcorefonts' package isntalled |
| 00:54.41 | astronut | that might help |
| 00:55.05 | JaMaLz | !dpkg VGA |
| 00:55.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vga is Video Graphics Array or something you SHOULD know, maybe you should sell your computer huh, or 60 Hz vsync, 31.5 kHz hsync gets your old VGA monitor going |
| 00:55.13 | Rile | already installed :( |
| 00:55.15 | _gentgeen_ | JaMaLz, If you do not have Internet at the box, why are you trying to get bootspash? seems like that is reversed to me |
| 00:55.15 | abrotman | !sprockets |
| 00:55.24 | happybunny | weird weird weird...this install nic works fine |
| 00:55.25 | gravity | JaMaLz: /msg dpkg VGA next time please |
| 00:55.34 | JaMaLz | ok gravity thanks |
| 00:56.24 | Rile | it seems like a support problem, a certain type of text or something |
| 00:56.34 | astronut | Rile: tryin installing those fonts |
| 00:56.40 | astronut | make sure you have the 'msttcorefonts' package isntalled |
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| 00:56.52 | astronut | oh |
| 00:56.53 | astronut | oyu did |
| 00:56.54 | astronut | sorry |
| 00:56.56 | astronut | i don't know |
| 00:57.00 | astronut | i don't know if it still exists |
| 00:57.03 | astronut | i do remember having that issue |
| 00:57.07 | astronut | sorry i can't be more helpfull |
| 00:57.24 | Rile | yeah, np, the flash plugin is horrible, when i right click it crashes firefox :/ |
| 00:57.25 | ctrlER | hi, is it possible to be sucessfull in apt-get dist-upgrade from mepis to debian unstable? |
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| 00:57.36 | abrotman | no |
| 00:57.55 | ctrlER | abrotman, no? :( |
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| 00:59.03 | FieldySnuts | it's flash... nothing that will be missed |
| 00:59.08 | silvia | hello |
| 00:59.18 | FieldySnuts | !turing test silvia |
| 00:59.25 | FieldySnuts | that'd be a good factoid |
| 00:59.32 | silvia | hi |
| 00:59.37 | FieldySnuts | silvia: ice cubes |
| 00:59.48 | FieldySnuts | silvia: yes. |
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| 00:59.49 | silvia | what? |
| 00:59.52 | herfo | ok let me hit this problem from a different angle: why is MAX_APICS undeclared here (not in a function) in /usr/include/asm/mpspec.h on sarge |
| 01:00.11 | silvia | hello |
| 01:00.41 | happybunny | silvia: are you here just to mess with people? |
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| 01:00.48 | gravity | silvia: Go away |
| 01:00.53 | silvia | why |
| 01:01.15 | silvia | why don't you huh bitch |
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| 01:01.33 | silvia | hello |
| 01:01.53 | silvia | hi |
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| 01:02.30 | cheal | amen for the turing test factoid |
| 01:02.35 | silvia | hello |
| 01:02.39 | abrotman | silvia: what is your problem? |
| 01:02.39 | primoz | hello ;) |
| 01:02.40 | jetscreamer | kick silvia |
| 01:02.41 | herfo | hi |
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| 01:02.48 | jetscreamer | !fuck silvia |
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| 01:02.55 | jetscreamer | dammit |
| 01:03.07 | jetscreamer | !factinfo fuck |
| 01:03.07 | dpkg | fuck -- it has been requested 213 times, last by procrastinator, 1d 6h 26m 59s ago. |
| 01:03.16 | jetscreamer | procrastinator can't spell |
| 01:03.16 | herfo | i want a fuck |
| 01:03.17 | herfo | hi |
| 01:03.22 | herfo | !factinfo fuck |
| 01:03.22 | dpkg | fuck -- it has been requested 213 times, last by procrastinator, 1d 6h 27m 14s ago. |
| 01:03.23 | jetscreamer | fuck that |
| 01:03.27 | herfo | hehe doesnt work |
| 01:03.35 | jetscreamer | dammit |
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| 01:03.51 | silvia | i'll fuck all of ya'll |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | silvia: please stop |
| 01:04.04 | silvia | why |
| 01:04.07 | herfo | silvia: how did you find this channel |
| 01:04.13 | abrotman | because .. it's uncalled for |
| 01:04.31 | cafuego | gravity: www.cafuego.net/stuff/debhelper.pl |
| 01:04.37 | FieldySnuts | oh get rid of it already |
| 01:04.40 | silvia | who do you think you are |
| 01:04.46 | gravity | cafuego: Gracias |
| 01:05.00 | gravity | silvia: Do you have a Debian-related question? |
| 01:05.08 | silvia | no |
| 01:05.10 | Bart-mdv- | silvia: try /quote join 0 |
| 01:05.12 | jetscreamer | no silvia doesn't |
| 01:05.19 | gravity | silvia: Then why are you here? |
| 01:05.30 | cafuego | gravity: sorry that took so long, got notified the mac mini has arrived ;-) |
| 01:05.31 | FieldySnuts | Bart-mdv-: HEHE |
| 01:05.31 | jetscreamer | silvia is here to preform oral sex |
| 01:05.33 | silvia | y are you here |
| 01:05.38 | FieldySnuts | bad jetscreamer. |
| 01:05.44 | astronut | !factinfo |
| 01:05.49 | gravity | cafuego: Lucky! |
| 01:05.51 | jetscreamer | ok sorry... perform |
| 01:05.57 | astronut | !factinfo factinfo |
| 01:05.57 | dpkg | astronut: there's no such factoid as factinfo |
| 01:06.04 | Rile | gravity: i installed swf-player from apt and it gives a really good plugin |
| 01:06.04 | astronut | !factinfo foo |
| 01:06.04 | dpkg | foo -- created by jethro <~hunter@saje3.docisland.org> at Wed Apr 20 13:07:03 2005 (19 days); it has been requested 14 times, last by astronut, 22m 46s ago. |
| 01:06.07 | gravity | silvia: If you don't have anything constructive to add, you will be booted |
| 01:06.10 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 01:06.11 | gravity | Rile: Coolness |
| 01:06.14 | FieldySnuts | g'nite |
| 01:06.15 | astronut | !factinfo sid |
| 01:06.15 | dpkg | sid -- last modified at Wed Jun 9 02:37:56 2004 by g4lt!galt@news.publicrelations.pdpc; it has been requested 518 times, last by b00, 1d 15h 19m 48s ago. |
| 01:06.17 | jetscreamer | !tabbuddy |
| 01:06.20 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Night, deary. |
| 01:06.21 | abrotman | astronut: /msg |
| 01:06.24 | astronut | abrotman: ok |
| 01:06.28 | silvia | i hate you all |
| 01:06.33 | FieldySnuts | @fuck silvia |
| 01:06.33 | astronut | any way to get a list of most popular facts? |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | silvia: please stop |
| 01:06.40 | abrotman | really .. please |
| 01:06.46 | jetscreamer | dpkg, tabbuddy is somebody who is in front of you, alphabetically |
| 01:06.46 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 01:06.54 | *** part/#debian FieldySnuts (LmLPtQCD7B@fieldysnuts.user) |
| 01:07.02 | jetscreamer | silvia, blow |
| 01:07.03 | furrywolf | just kick him/it already... |
| 01:07.26 | bin11 | for ssh, changing the settings to allow X forwarding, is it necessary to restart sshd on the ssh server to reread the config file? Thanks. |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | bin11: probably |
| 01:07.39 | jetscreamer | furrywolf: you're a chan n00b, stfu... (but you are in the lineup) |
| 01:07.39 | astronut | bin11: check for rehash |
| 01:07.41 | Phated | Why, precisely, hasn't !ops silvia been done? |
| 01:07.54 | abrotman | Phated: he hasn't been totally obnoxious yet? |
| 01:07.54 | bin11 | abrotman, thanks, rehash? |
| 01:08.00 | jetscreamer | because silvia is a minor nuisiance |
| 01:08.01 | abrotman | bin11: of what? |
| 01:08.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 788] by debhelper |
| 01:08.05 | gravity | Phated: We set high standards for our trolls |
| 01:08.06 | astronut | bin11: /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
| 01:08.09 | Phated | abrotman: I see. |
| 01:08.11 | gravity | Although if you want to do it, please |
| 01:08.13 | gravity | I won't cry |
| 01:08.15 | jetscreamer | how the fuck do you spell nuisiuance |
| 01:08.15 | bin11 | astronut, said, check for rehash? |
| 01:08.19 | abrotman | nuisance |
| 01:08.22 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:08.28 | astronut | bin11: it's reload |
| 01:08.29 | bin11 | ok, thanks again |
| 01:08.31 | silvia | astronut fucks his mama good each night to practice |
| 01:08.33 | furrywolf | jetscreamer: umm? that wasn't too nice, was it. |
| 01:08.37 | gravity | !ops silvia trolling |
| 01:08.37 | abrotman | !ops silvia trolling |
| 01:08.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: silvia trolling |
| 01:08.39 | gravity | poorly |
| 01:08.51 | bin11 | I could do that from the client end and then log in again, right? |
| 01:08.54 | jetscreamer | furrywolf: probably not |
| 01:08.57 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 01:09.03 | abrotman | bin11: if it restarts correctly :) |
| 01:09.03 | astronut | what is ops? |
| 01:09.07 | silvia | yeah you can |
| 01:09.24 | abrotman | Phated: and that's why we hadn't yet :) |
| 01:09.25 | jetscreamer | there are no ops |
| 01:09.34 | jetscreamer | dpkg kill ops |
| 01:09.46 | astronut | jetscreamer: what's !ops |
| 01:09.47 | bin11 | crossing fingers :-) thanks |
| 01:09.50 | Phated | abrotman: I see. |
| 01:09.54 | jetscreamer | o9perator |
| 01:09.58 | jetscreamer | operator |
| 01:10.01 | jetscreamer | aka channel god |
| 01:10.04 | abrotman | jetscreamer: jim croce ? |
| 01:10.11 | astronut | i know what +o is |
| 01:10.16 | astronut | i mean dpkg's !ops command |
| 01:10.24 | gravity | astronut: We use that to call the channel ops |
| 01:10.32 | gravity | astronut: To do things like boot trolls and whatnot |
| 01:10.32 | Phated | Who are all DEAD at the moment. |
| 01:10.37 | silvia | i'm leavin bye the one who fucks his mom doggy style |
| 01:10.45 | abrotman | that's right .. we certainly don't need more ops :) |
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| 01:10.53 | jetscreamer | !listkeys ops |
| 01:10.54 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ops' by key (15 of 24): CMD: tops (.*?) ;; autopsy ;; cheops ;; flops ;; hack ircops ;; i want ops ;; ksymoops ;; linux-laptops ;; lopster ;; ops ;; ops please ;; poopachoops ;; poopsticks ;; tacops ;; wallops. |
| 01:11.01 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 01:11.05 | jetscreamer | !literal ops |
| 01:11.05 | dpkg | ops is <reply>Please invoke '(dpkg|!) ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 01:11.11 | astronut | ah |
| 01:11.13 | jetscreamer | that is ops |
| 01:11.30 | cafuego | See also !icbm |
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| 01:11.33 | abrotman | heh .. |
| 01:11.34 | Phated | Actually, it's !literal CMD: ops (.*?) |
| 01:11.35 | abrotman | !i want ops |
| 01:11.35 | dpkg | Heh, fuck off and beg to someone who cares |
| 01:11.37 | abrotman | that's funny |
| 01:11.45 | jetscreamer | see also !penixstrike |
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| 01:11.56 | astronut | what type of bot is dpkg ? eggdrop? |
| 01:11.57 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike jethro |
| 01:11.58 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jethro to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:12.03 | gravity | !what are you |
| 01:12.03 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:12.03 | abrotman | astronut: blootbot |
| 01:12.10 | astronut | !blootbot |
| 01:12.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 01:12.37 | gravity | heh |
| 01:12.37 | abrotman | astronut: /msg :) |
| 01:12.37 | astronut | oops |
| 01:12.37 | silvia | guess who's back |
| 01:12.37 | astronut | sorry |
| 01:12.37 | jetscreamer | you need the perl to fix it, not to run it |
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| 01:12.57 | jetscreamer | and aussfield is working on blootbot |
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| 01:12.59 | gartt | silvia: Nobody cares. You have no friends. Get a life. |
| 01:13.00 | jetscreamer | active dev |
| 01:13.12 | gravity | bobesponja: Don't feed the troll |
| 01:13.17 | gravity | Boohbah: ^ |
| 01:13.25 | gravity | bobesponja: Sorry. Tab mess up |
| 01:13.36 | jetscreamer | hey silvia: why are you a scum suckin hoe |
| 01:13.51 | astronut | don't feed the troll |
| 01:13.58 | abrotman | !wnbt |
| 01:13.58 | dpkg | i heard wnbt is Will Not Be Trolled |
| 01:14.00 | jetscreamer | !fuck the troll |
| 01:14.11 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 01:14.11 | dpkg | jetscreamer: aw, gee |
| 01:14.29 | Boohbah | !dict troll |
| 01:14.33 | dpkg | Dictionary 'troll' (2 of 28): . 151 "troll" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" troll ;; . Troll \Troll\, n. 1. The act of moving round; routine; repetition. --Burke.. |
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| 01:15.51 | silvia | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.08 | silvia | this is bullshit |
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| 01:16.44 | osity | anyone setup raid on linux...im stuck at the partitioner. |
| 01:16.51 | abrotman | hardware or software ? |
| 01:17.03 | silvia | boring!!!!! |
| 01:17.24 | silvia | ghbfghbfvhjbadfhbvglashbv |
| 01:17.30 | ApEtc | You'll get your refund on the way out |
| 01:17.30 | lilo78 | As repo to install e17? |
| 01:17.40 | abrotman | Gnea: is there ? |
| 01:17.42 | silvia | !@#%^&%!@$%^!@$~@#%!@ |
| 01:17.51 | osity | software |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | !ops please kick the obvious troll silvia |
| 01:18.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please kick the obvious troll silvia |
| 01:18.01 | astronut | !ops silvia is trolling and being an ass |
| 01:18.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: silvia is trolling and being an ass |
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| 01:18.16 | mrgenixus | hello |
| 01:18.17 | osity | silvia: do you know? |
| 01:18.21 | mrgenixus | is this chan wake? |
| 01:18.23 | abrotman | osity: ignore him |
| 01:18.25 | Boohbah | !ops you don't really exist do you? |
| 01:18.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: you don't really exist do you |
| 01:18.29 | shingouz | silvia: Please stop. If you just want to chat go to some channel that is not focused on techie things |
| 01:18.42 | abrotman | right .. let's badger the ops .. they'll surely come to our rescue |
| 01:18.57 | osity | abrotman: why? |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | osity: he's trolling the channel |
| 01:19.12 | Bart-mdv- | just ignore him |
| 01:19.20 | silvia | thank you |
| 01:19.20 | osity | abrotman what does that mean? |
| 01:19.20 | mrgenixus | I have a problem: earlier today, my box was acting a little funny, so I did that last thing I should have: I rooboted it, hoping to clear whatever process was jammed |
| 01:19.24 | abrotman | !troll |
| 01:19.24 | jetscreamer | !kill him |
| 01:19.24 | dpkg | troll is, like, a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html |
| 01:19.31 | lilo78 | As repo to install e17? Use debian sid. It looks for it in www.apt-get.org and I could not install E17. |
| 01:19.52 | UdontKnow | astronut: ? |
| 01:19.53 | bob2 | can you all stop being fuckwits? |
| 01:20.04 | abrotman | how does that happen ? |
| 01:20.07 | gartt | I think the anti-trolls have been more effective in disrupting the chan than the troll |
| 01:20.19 | astronut | UdontKnow: pardon? |
| 01:20.20 | osity | ok anyone know software raid on linux? |
| 01:20.21 | mrgenixus | hello? |
| 01:20.27 | jetscreamer | there is no raid |
| 01:20.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:20.30 | bob2 | I saw the first call and ignored it, hoping you could all just shut the hell up and end it. |
| 01:20.32 | bob2 | obviously not. |
| 01:20.33 | osity | i ned help setting up the partitioner. |
| 01:20.33 | furrywolf | which is why I support just kicking people like that after about 2 lines, rather than leaving them in the channel. :P |
| 01:20.51 | mrgenixus | I have a problem: earlier today, my box was acting a little funny, so I did that last thing I should have: I rooboted it, hoping to clear whatever process was jammed |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | UdontKnow: you highlight on ircop ? |
| 01:20.59 | gartt | mrgenixus: Don't ask extremely stupid questions like that |
| 01:21.04 | bob2 | all the "omg SOMEONE IS TROLLING AND THE SKY IS FALLING" idiots are FAR more disruptive than silvia itself was. |
| 01:21.06 | mrgenixus | gartt: pardon? |
| 01:21.06 | furrywolf | mrgenixus: don't repeat. if you expect an answer, FINISH THE STORY. |
| 01:21.13 | ctrlER | is there a debianhelp or something? |
| 01:21.14 | mrgenixus | oh, sorry |
| 01:21.16 | mrgenixus | doh! |
| 01:21.27 | mrgenixus | so It came up an kernel panic'ed |
| 01:21.29 | furrywolf | we can't answer until you actually ask something. :) |
| 01:21.30 | Boohbah | bob2: so are the people getting pissed about it |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | osity: did you setup the software raid(and i've never done it .. so i'm asking you i guess) |
| 01:21.34 | gartt | mrgenixus: We heard you the first time, and if you're going to expect any kind of intelligent help, ask an intelligent question |
| 01:21.42 | UdontKnow | abrotman> UdontKnow: you highlight on ircop ? |
| 01:21.43 | mrgenixus | something about killing init and there not being a journal on my ext2 /boot partition |
| 01:21.45 | UdontKnow | kinda |
| 01:21.48 | UdontKnow | abrotman: :) |
| 01:21.48 | gartt | How is anyone going to help you if you're so vague about the problem? |
| 01:21.52 | abrotman | UdontKnow: just wondering :) |
| 01:21.55 | osity | i need help doing it.... |
| 01:21.59 | bob2 | ctrlER: if you install mepis, you're using mepis. if you want to use Debian, install Debian. |
| 01:22.01 | osity | im stcuk |
| 01:22.03 | osity | stuck |
| 01:22.06 | mrgenixus | so what step should I take to find the problem |
| 01:22.06 | abrotman | osity: oh .. you want it . and don't know how .. gotcha |
| 01:22.16 | ctrlER | bob2, errr. I WANT to use debian |
| 01:22.17 | mrgenixus | how do i figure out what wrong here |
| 01:22.20 | jetscreamer | stuck this |
| 01:22.26 | bob2 | ctrlER: then go get a Debian install CD and install it |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | !d-i ctrlER |
| 01:22.29 | dpkg | ctrlER, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:22.36 | bob2 | ctrlER: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:22.47 | ctrlER | bob2, did that, cant even boot to x |
| 01:22.52 | astronut | is anyone else having issues with AIM? |
| 01:22.53 | abrotman | you have to install X |
| 01:22.58 | bob2 | ctrlER: did you install X? |
| 01:23.00 | gravity | One month... one month or less and we won't have to point people to the d-i page |
| 01:23.05 | ctrlER | abrotman, not that stupid |
| 01:23.06 | osity | bob2 are you familiar with setting up partitions for raid1? |
| 01:23.08 | gravity | astronut: Yeah |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | osity: did you try reading the install manual at all ? |
| 01:23.12 | astronut | gravity: and if you beleive that.... |
| 01:23.14 | ctrlER | please dont treat me like a dumb ass |
| 01:23.24 | bob2 | osity: if you mean "software raid", please say so in questions about this |
| 01:23.29 | gravity | astronut: It's not connecting for me right now, although yahoo connects |
| 01:23.31 | abrotman | ctrlER: sorry .. just making sure |
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| 01:23.37 | osity | bob2 yes software |
| 01:23.45 | bob2 | osity: then no |
| 01:23.47 | gravity | ctrlER: You have no idea the types we get in here :-) |
| 01:23.52 | osity | bob2...ok thanks |
| 01:23.56 | abrotman | i just want to know how bob2 shows up . and then guy leaves a second later :) |
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| 01:23.59 | ctrlER | abrotman, im installing in a new laptop.... its a bit hard to get x |
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| 01:24.14 | abrotman | ctrlER: not really .. what is your preferred GUI ? |
| 01:24.23 | osity | abrotman: i didnt see anything bout raid ......just the partions stuff.... |
| 01:24.26 | bob2 | ctrlER: if it's a new laptop, Debian's X may not work at all |
| 01:24.30 | ctrlER | i tryed xf86config for about an hour |
| 01:24.30 | bob2 | it certainly won't autoconfigure |
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| 01:24.37 | gravity | VESA will work |
| 01:24.38 | jklm | anyone suing interl 865gbf motherboard? i have problem getting sound to work. |
| 01:24.40 | abrotman | ctrlER: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:24.44 | gravity | Even on new laptops |
| 01:24.47 | bob2 | fsvo "work" |
| 01:24.55 | gravity | bob2: Worked great for me for months |
| 01:24.55 | jklm | i mean 'using intel' |
| 01:24.57 | bob2 | VESA is pretty shit to actually use on your shiny new laptop |
| 01:25.06 | FieldySnuts | vesa sucks yeah |
| 01:25.07 | gravity | bob2: True, but I'm working on that as we speak |
| 01:25.08 | ctrlER | abrotman, tried that... |
| 01:25.18 | bob2 | gravity: oh, I know, no offence intended :) |
| 01:25.19 | abrotman | ctrlER: what kind of video card? |
| 01:25.28 | gravity | bob2: I know :-) |
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| 01:25.45 | abrotman | jklm: i'm just suing intel .. sorry .. no help here :) |
| 01:25.46 | astronut | is anyone else having issues with AIM? |
| 01:25.48 | ctrlER | abrotman, my favorite gui is openbox (if i understood the question... im not english nor american...) |
| 01:25.56 | jetscreamer | ah shit bob's awake@! |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | ctrlER: which video card ? |
| 01:26.02 | ctrlER | abrotman, radeon 9000 in a 1400x1050 |
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| 01:26.17 | abrotman | hmmm .. regular xfree ati driver should work |
| 01:26.35 | ctrlER | abrotman, tried... i gave me a blur... |
| 01:26.40 | ctrlER | then back to cli |
| 01:26.44 | abrotman | a blur ? |
| 01:26.53 | jklm | anyone using intel 865gbf motherboard? i have problem getting sound to work. kernel is 2.6.8. |
| 01:27.03 | bob2 | jklm: no need to repeat |
| 01:27.06 | ctrlER | like a color blur (a color picker for example...) |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | ctrlER: regardless .. you're not running debian right now are you? |
| 01:27.09 | bob2 | jklm: also, your question is very vague |
| 01:27.16 | abrotman | jklm: define your problem |
| 01:27.16 | jklm | but no answer yet. |
| 01:27.25 | astronut | jklm: check #alsa |
| 01:27.30 | jetscreamer | boogie with stu |
| 01:27.32 | astronut | make sure your motherboard is supported by ALSA |
| 01:27.33 | gravity | ctrlER: Not the grey hatches? |
| 01:27.42 | TwistedEmotions | ctrlER: If oyu look at the error it gives you... in there it sais what packages you might be missing... |
| 01:27.44 | bob2 | jklm: you need to ask a specific question before people can help you |
| 01:27.51 | osity | any raid people in here? |
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| 01:28.03 | markw | osity: yup. |
| 01:28.03 | bob2 | osity: you mean software raid. |
| 01:28.14 | jklm | isn't it specific enough? |
| 01:28.17 | ctrlER | abrotman, nop, im dist-upgrade from mepis to debian (removed all mepis entries from apt) |
| 01:28.20 | bob2 | that is a very important difference |
| 01:28.21 | abrotman | is there really no section in the sarge installer manual about software raid ? |
| 01:28.23 | gravity | ugh |
| 01:28.27 | abrotman | ctrlER: that doesn't work |
| 01:28.28 | jklm | sound, motherboard, kernel. |
| 01:28.29 | bob2 | jklm: "my sound doesn't work" is not really specific |
| 01:28.33 | ctrlER | gravity, nop, it was like a painting... |
| 01:28.35 | abrotman | jklm: you're still being vague |
| 01:28.35 | gravity | ctrlER: What does your /var/log/XFree.0.log say? |
| 01:28.39 | TwistedEmotions | ctrlER: I was having a video problem too and I was just missing packages... |
| 01:28.42 | jklm | how would you do it? |
| 01:28.42 | gravity | ctrlER: You need to find the error |
| 01:28.44 | bob2 | jklm: tell us a) what driver you're trying to use, then b) define what "not working" means |
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| 01:28.46 | ctrlER | abrotman, ill wait an se... |
| 01:28.56 | jklm | no sound. |
| 01:28.59 | abrotman | ctrlER: i'm telling you that it won't be debian when you're done ... |
| 01:29.00 | bob2 | jklm: is it staticy? silent? does mpg321 say "no device found"? |
| 01:29.03 | abrotman | jklm: as root or everyone ? |
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| 01:29.14 | Esotericisms | what is the debian package for qt-devel? |
| 01:29.15 | jklm | everyone |
| 01:29.17 | Esotericisms | I need gmake |
| 01:29.22 | Esotericisms | er ... qmake |
| 01:29.28 | abrotman | Esotericisms: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:29.29 | gravity | Esotericisms: libqt3-dev |
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| 01:29.43 | ctrlER | gravity, thanks for the help... but its in mepis now... il just wait more 17 minutes... if it doesent work, ill install debian again and comeback here for help... |
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| 01:29.52 | gravity | ctrlER: Ok |
| 01:30.01 | abrotman | ctrlER: that sounds like a great plan :) |
| 01:30.02 | ctrlER | now i cant tell u the errors because the pc is formated... (mepis) |
| 01:30.07 | astronut | gravity: aim still down for you? |
| 01:30.13 | ctrlER | thanks again |
| 01:30.14 | ctrlER | :) |
| 01:30.15 | abrotman | astronut: i'm using AOL client .. works fine |
| 01:30.17 | jklm | any simple way to test basic sound? |
| 01:30.25 | gravity | astronut: Nope. Works now. |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | jklm: yes .. cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 01:30.31 | astronut | abrotman: the LINUX aol client? |
| 01:30.32 | gravity | er... maybe not... |
| 01:30.34 | abrotman | astronut: yes |
| 01:30.34 | astronut | hmm |
| 01:30.41 | astronut | abrotman: WHY?! |
| 01:30.42 | jklm | ok trying |
| 01:30.43 | astronut | it's a POS |
| 01:30.49 | gravity | ugh |
| 01:30.52 | abrotman | astronut: because mine is working and yours isn't ? |
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| 01:30.59 | abrotman | !win me |
| 01:31.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 01:31.01 | ama | some other people say its not working either |
| 01:31.05 | osity | markw....do you know how to parition for sw raid? |
| 01:31.06 | gravity | astronut: Never mind. gaim just crashed for me |
| 01:31.09 | astronut | abrotman: uhmm, mine was wokring fine |
| 01:31.10 | gravity | I have no idea what's up |
| 01:31.15 | astronut | then i went to log in again |
| 01:31.16 | astronut | and it broke |
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| 01:31.20 | astronut | and the AOL windows client is broken too |
| 01:31.23 | astronut | it's a server issue |
| 01:31.27 | zinx | gaim has an extremely annoying habit of poppping up windows |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | works fine for me :) |
| 01:31.32 | fgb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:31.34 | astronut | it said "Your buddy list and icon are unavialable at the present time. Try again later" |
| 01:31.38 | fgb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.39 | astronut | abrotman: log out, and log in again ;-) |
| 01:31.45 | astronut | zinx: my friend complains about that |
| 01:31.46 | fgb | /x |
| 01:31.47 | abrotman | astronut: uhm .. no ? |
| 01:31.53 | markw | osity: I could figure it out by reading the howto. I normally have the luxury of hardware raid. |
| 01:31.55 | astronut | abrotman: heh |
| 01:31.57 | astronut | like i said |
| 01:31.58 | gravity | zinx: I think you can prevent that |
| 01:32.00 | astronut | it was when i went to log in |
| 01:32.01 | astronut | that it broke |
| 01:32.02 | Esotericisms | that did not have qmake |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | astronut: and it works with gaim too |
| 01:32.08 | zinx | gravity: sadly, you can not. |
| 01:32.10 | astronut | abrotman: hmm |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | !find bin/qmake |
| 01:32.13 | osity | markw....i have a how to but dont understand it ... |
| 01:32.14 | zinx | gravity: without editing the source, anyway |
| 01:32.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/qmake' (1): (/usr/bin/qmake, /usr/share/qt3/bin/qmake) in devel/qt3-dev-tools. |
| 01:32.18 | gravity | zinx: Not even with a plugin? |
| 01:32.23 | astronut | must only be some screen names |
| 01:32.27 | astronut | anyone else working or not wokring? |
| 01:32.33 | abrotman | astronut: well .. kind of |
| 01:32.34 | gravity | Still no workey for me |
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| 01:32.40 | astronut | abrotman: heh |
| 01:32.43 | zinx | gravity: i haven't looked at the plugin APi; i don't believe there are any -existing- plugins that do it, however |
| 01:32.43 | astronut | told ya.. ;-) |
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| 01:32.52 | abrotman | astronut: let me login .. roster was messed |
| 01:32.57 | astronut | roster? |
| 01:33.01 | gravity | zinx: I feel like there may be one that just got ITP'ed for Debian. May be in the archive too. |
| 01:33.08 | tix64 | Esotericisms: qmake is in qt3-dev-tools. Next time ask http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents yourself. |
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| 01:33.55 | abrotman | astronut: actually .. really slow .. but works |
| 01:33.59 | Esotericisms | ok |
| 01:34.01 | abrotman | astronut: sortry .. buddy list |
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| 01:34.14 | astronut | abrotman: ya |
| 01:34.24 | astronut | abrotman: now do you believe me? |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | in jabber .. it's called a roster i think |
| 01:34.29 | lef | hrm..I am on debian sarge, what's the recomended way to install perl modules? |
| 01:34.31 | abrotman | astronut: i still got logged on with gaim |
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| 01:34.38 | astronut | abrotman: hmmm |
| 01:34.48 | EvilSporkMan | what package are the manpages for recv, printf, etc. in? |
| 01:35.05 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: /msg dpkg search |
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| 01:35.30 | tix64 | EvilSporkMan: manpages-dev |
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| 01:36.15 | abrotman | lef: such as ? |
| 01:36.18 | MrKeuner | I cannot manage to write more than 4x on a 48 maxell CD-R. I can write 10x on a HP CD-RW. What can be the problem? |
| 01:36.18 | ctrlER | just one more thing: to install should i use the daily builds of sid installer? or the rc3? |
| 01:36.19 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: searched for manpages, didn't see manpages-dev >_< |
| 01:36.43 | jklm | 'cat/dev/urandom >/dev/dsp' produces no sound. |
| 01:37.00 | astronut | MrKeuner: the maxwell are 4x only? |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | ctrlER: rc3 probably better if there might be a problem |
| 01:37.18 | lef | abrotman, hmm, HTML::Tagset for example |
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| 01:37.25 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: it would be like apt-file search printf.1.gz or whatever section it's in |
| 01:37.32 | abrotman | lef: that's a module ? |
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| 01:37.39 | U2 | well i am under sarge now |
| 01:37.40 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: oh, heh heh |
| 01:37.41 | Gnea | ok |
| 01:37.46 | Gnea | who was asking for better pictures? |
| 01:37.52 | abrotman | Gnea: i want pr0n! |
| 01:37.56 | lef | I guess I'll apt-get them otherwise I'll use CPAN |
| 01:38.03 | lef | abrotman, I think it is a module |
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| 01:38.10 | Gnea | abrotman: http://gnea.net/nvidia_issue it's soft ;0 |
| 01:38.12 | Gnea | ;) |
| 01:38.16 | lef | I am trying to setup perlfect search |
| 01:38.16 | tix64 | lef: apt-get install libhtml-tagset-perl |
| 01:38.27 | U2 | well |
| 01:38.36 | ctrlER | abrotman, would it install x? (using the netinstall and then apt-get x(something?) would x be configured? |
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| 01:38.46 | U2 | i i have forgotten who help me |
| 01:38.47 | lef | thank you tix64 |
| 01:38.52 | abrotman | ctrlER: apt-get install x-window-system xdm openbox menu |
| 01:39.02 | drewcore | do you think a bad power supply would make a computer keep restarting? or do you think it might be overheated cpu? |
| 01:39.10 | abrotman | lef: apparently you need some weird knowledge of perl :) |
| 01:39.12 | jklm | 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' produces no sound. |
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| 01:39.12 | TwistedEmotions | what package do I need to get Firefox to run java? Just java-common? Oh.. and I need azuerues too.. |
| 01:39.17 | abrotman | drewcore: could be either ... |
| 01:39.17 | Gnea | drewcore: could be either |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | !tell TwistedEmotions about install java |
| 01:39.22 | Gnea | jinx |
| 01:39.25 | ctrlER | thank u :) |
| 01:39.26 | osity | can someone helkp with software raid? |
| 01:39.39 | Gnea | osity: absolutely not. |
| 01:39.39 | lef | abrotman, :) |
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| 01:39.44 | astronut | ah |
| 01:39.45 | Gnea | !tell osity about ask |
| 01:39.47 | astronut | aim just fixed |
| 01:39.51 | astronut | juding from the sound |
| 01:39.56 | abrotman | Gnea: he's asked a lot :) |
| 01:40.09 | abrotman | Gnea: he's not sure how to setup software raid while installing |
| 01:40.09 | osity | :0 |
| 01:40.10 | Gnea | !software raid |
| 01:40.11 | dpkg | from memory, software raid is the pet rock of the 2000s. One day you're going to look back at this and wonder "My GOD! What was I *thinking*?" |
| 01:40.18 | TwistedEmotions | !tell TwistedEmotions about java-packag |
| 01:40.22 | TwistedEmotions | !tell TwistedEmotions about java-package |
| 01:40.23 | abrotman | and that sums it up for me too :) |
| 01:40.30 | Gnea | heh |
| 01:40.31 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 01:40.35 | osity | i might have to try again tomorrow....no one seems to know ... |
| 01:40.42 | tix64 | lef: many commonly used perl modules are part of debian. for others use dh-make-perl to make debs out of the cpan-modules. |
| 01:40.45 | Gnea | osity: have you not searched google? |
| 01:41.25 | osity | ya lots |
| 01:41.33 | abrotman | Gnea: i can't believe there isn't a section in the manual |
| 01:41.42 | Gnea | abrotman: i tried to take a screenshot and it locked X right up (surprized it booted into it) |
| 01:41.49 | osity | gnea: there are no instruction on how one should parition for a raid 1 array |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | Gnea: heh |
| 01:42.12 | osity | do i need swap for raid? |
| 01:42.18 | Gnea | osity: i have no experience with that, but from what others have told me, software raid has killed many a HD |
| 01:42.23 | astronut | aim just fixed...good |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | Gnea: he's attempting raid1 at least :) |
| 01:42.39 | osity | gnea,,,isnt that what its supposed to protect? |
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| 01:43.06 | abrotman | osity: if you really value your data .. get a hardware raid thingie :) |
| 01:43.09 | tix64 | osity: no, you don't need swap for raid. but the rest of your system may like it. |
| 01:43.10 | abrotman | !thingie |
| 01:43.13 | jklm | how to setup alsa? the packages required? |
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| 01:43.15 | Gnea | osity: yeah well it was a complete raid+LVM solution and drives kept falling off the wagon, constant data loss |
| 01:43.25 | abrotman | jklm: apt-get install alsa alsamixer alsaconf |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | i think that's it |
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| 01:43.38 | Gnea | osity: mighta been in the days of beta testing |
| 01:43.38 | cheal | alsa-utils |
| 01:43.39 | U2 | hello all |
| 01:43.49 | osity | yikes |
| 01:43.51 | U2 | i have my xserver freeze |
| 01:43.52 | jklm | thks, off to work. |
| 01:43.55 | Gnea | yeah |
| 01:44.05 | U2 | can someone help me |
| 01:44.05 | JaMaLz | the gate way of debian sarge went offline |
| 01:44.07 | U2 | ? |
| 01:44.17 | cheal | !alsa |
| 01:44.17 | dpkg | alsa is probably On Sarge, when using a debian 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 01:44.18 | astronut | U2: 1-800-charter |
| 01:44.18 | Gnea | U2: mine froze too, you want a cookie? |
| 01:44.23 | osity | tix64: have you any skille in sw raid1 partitioning |
| 01:44.25 | Gnea | astronut: ROFL |
| 01:44.32 | astronut | oh |
| 01:44.32 | tix64 | osity: nope |
| 01:44.36 | U2 | Gnea: ?? |
| 01:44.38 | jklm | before that, one more q. how about discover1? need it? |
| 01:44.42 | astronut | i didn't see the rest of his messages |
| 01:45.02 | Gnea | U2: no seriously, my X server is frozen - hell i'm surprized it even booted into X - what kind of vidcard do you have? |
| 01:45.02 | JaMaLz | !d-i debian |
| 01:45.05 | dpkg | debian, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:45.16 | osity | ok ...i try back another day! :) thanks |
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| 01:45.20 | U2 | i have a nvidia 6600 GT |
| 01:45.26 | Gnea | interesting. |
| 01:45.27 | albo | is there something like hdparm for testing RAM speed? |
| 01:45.33 | Gnea | i have a gf4 mx 440 |
| 01:45.34 | U2 | and i installed the driver from nvidia |
| 01:45.38 | cheal | JaMaLz: which gate way? that page? |
| 01:45.38 | Gnea | yeah |
| 01:45.41 | Gnea | 7174 |
| 01:45.44 | U2 | yes |
| 01:45.53 | cheal | U2: using nvidia-installer? |
| 01:45.54 | jklm | '/msg dpkg' mentioned discover1 > 1.7.2. do i need that for alsa? |
| 01:45.56 | Gnea | U2: how are you running X? |
| 01:45.58 | U2 | but it launch the xserver |
| 01:46.02 | U2 | gdm |
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| 01:46.06 | Gnea | same |
| 01:46.11 | U2 | but i tried startx too |
| 01:46.15 | Gnea | and? |
| 01:46.22 | U2 | and same thing |
| 01:46.54 | U2 | i am wondering if it is not supported |
| 01:46.59 | JaMaLz | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ |
| 01:46.59 | cheal | jklm: are you using sarge? |
| 01:47.02 | U2 | but someonne tokd me that it is |
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| 01:47.08 | Gnea | it's supported |
| 01:47.16 | Gnea | but i think maybe the current driver has a problem |
| 01:47.20 | kwame | seen damog |
| 01:47.20 | U2 | and i don't understand |
| 01:47.24 | U2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.24 | kwame | !seen damog |
| 01:47.25 | dpkg | damog <~damog@damog.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 1d 2h 29m 16s ago, saying: 'helen: thank you, I hope so :)'. |
| 01:47.32 | Gnea | not sure really |
| 01:47.37 | Gnea | only speculating |
| 01:47.40 | abrotman | look at damog .. hitting on the ladies |
| 01:47.45 | U2 | if i uninstal the driver |
| 01:47.50 | cheal | JaMaLz: what's the problem? that looks online? |
| 01:47.56 | U2 | and install an oldrer |
| 01:47.56 | cheal | s/?// |
| 01:48.00 | Gnea | U2: take a look at this: http://gnea.net/nvidia_issue/ tell me if any of it looks familiar |
| 01:48.02 | U2 | it may works |
| 01:48.07 | Gnea | if you can |
| 01:48.26 | JaMaLz | cheal gatewat error\ |
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| 01:48.42 | cheal | JaMaLz: no idea |
| 01:48.48 | cheal | !tell kwame about msg the bot |
| 01:49.29 | U2 | Gnea: i am under a console |
| 01:49.38 | Gnea | feh.. |
| 01:49.40 | Gnea | i'm stuck too |
| 01:49.42 | U2 | and i can't view your pictures |
| 01:49.49 | Gnea | U2: no zgv? |
| 01:50.00 | U2 | zgv ? |
| 01:50.04 | tix64 | zgv! |
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| 01:50.08 | Gnea | U2: ok, well is your display all messed up or is it clear? |
| 01:50.13 | MrKeuner | astronut/ yes Actually I cannot write at speed 2 either. it look like fixed. |
| 01:50.21 | U2 | clear |
| 01:50.27 | Gnea | hrm |
| 01:50.34 | Gnea | mine's all messed up :/ |
| 01:50.38 | Gnea | i get errors |
| 01:50.43 | Gnea | u see the dmesg output? |
| 01:50.46 | U2 | mine just froze |
| 01:50.58 | U2 | and i must reboot |
| 01:51.01 | Gnea | that's what i get when it tries to load |
| 01:51.15 | Gnea | i just ssh in and diagnose |
| 01:51.33 | U2 | well it loads perfectky |
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| 01:51.42 | U2 | but when i launcj an applicatin |
| 01:51.44 | Shorty` | hi guys |
| 01:51.50 | U2 | then it freezes |
| 01:51.52 | Shorty` | where do you get the x64 distro? |
| 01:51.57 | Gnea | the whole thing?! |
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| 01:52.00 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 01:52.00 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 01:52.24 | U2 | well i think i would try x64 |
| 01:52.51 | U2 | :D |
| 01:53.00 | abrotman | Gnea: i'm still on a C64 |
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| 01:53.05 | Gnea | might get to upgrade soon |
| 01:53.08 | Gnea | U2: nice |
| 01:53.18 | U2 | and alos a k8n |
| 01:53.21 | Gnea | U2: i setup debian on an amd64 once |
| 01:53.30 | U2 | i installed ubuntu 64 perfectly |
| 01:53.31 | tix64 | abrotman: at least a working architecture. |
| 01:53.38 | U2 | but i want a sarge !!!! |
| 01:53.47 | nevyn | hrm |
| 01:53.58 | nevyn | when will debian ship for 6501 ? |
| 01:54.04 | nevyn | the people want to know!! |
| 01:54.11 | Gnea | 6501? |
| 01:54.13 | Gnea | lol |
| 01:54.21 | abrotman | nevyn: that's just not funny |
| 01:54.34 | nevyn | abrotman: supercpu... |
| 01:54.35 | tix64 | nevyn: my buildd is working on it. will be finished in about 10 years. |
| 01:54.40 | nevyn | and ide64 and it's all good. |
| 01:54.49 | Gnea | nevyn: i heard sarge will support 300 baud modems right out of the box |
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| 01:55.14 | tix64 | nevyn: supercpu is not 6501 |
| 01:55.14 | nevyn | Gnea: but with it support "the final ethernet" ? |
| 01:55.25 | nevyn | tix64: no it's not. but it's instruction compatible. |
| 01:55.25 | ctrlER | abrotman, it worked... the mepis to debian dist-upgrade.... but i dont think ill stick with it... gonna try the rc3 installer |
| 01:55.46 | nevyn | tix64: running debian on a stock c64 is unlikely |
| 01:55.55 | Gnea | nevyn: only if "the final countdown" is depended |
| 01:55.57 | JaMaLz | is there any source for sarge iso files |
| 01:56.15 | abrotman | ctrlER: ok |
| 01:56.21 | nevyn | Gnea: abrotman http://www.dunkels.com/adam/tfe/ |
| 01:56.22 | madclicker | hola, how do i setup apache directories for different webadmins on linux system? |
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| 01:56.49 | Gnea | madclicker: very carefully |
| 01:57.07 | JaMaLz | any other hosts for sarge iso files |
| 01:57.11 | nevyn | madclicker: there are a number of methods used... |
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| 01:57.38 | nevyn | madclicker: however virtualisation is sexy at the moment.. you could use UML or xen and do that. |
| 01:57.38 | madclicker | nevyn: talk to me |
| 01:57.48 | Gnea | !d-i |
| 01:57.49 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 01:57.57 | nevyn | madclicker: the other way just give each a user account and setup vhosts. |
| 01:58.09 | JaMaLz | Gnea not working for me giving me bad gateway |
| 01:58.22 | nevyn | madclicker: depends how many what loads what hardware etc. |
| 01:58.28 | madclicker | nevyn: what about directory premissions and rights? |
| 01:58.35 | nevyn | virtualisation is in some ways more flexible |
| 01:58.38 | Gnea | JaMaLz: google.com |
| 01:58.45 | primoz | madclicker, apache2 -> peruser ;) |
| 01:59.14 | U2 | hey |
| 01:59.15 | nevyn | madclicker: that's usually pretty straightforward. |
| 01:59.21 | U2 | should i enable xtt |
| 01:59.29 | U2 | on xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:59.35 | U2 | configuration? |
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| 02:00.25 | nevyn | madclicker: users have a "web directory" that's readable by www-data |
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| 02:00.39 | nevyn | nobody can write to other peoples web directory. |
| 02:00.59 | nevyn | the only issue is if these people need to be able to edit the apache configuration. |
| 02:01.05 | madclicker | nevyn: i tried playing around with directory permissions, but when a user ftp's in to the right directory files are not the right permissions or owners |
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| 02:01.24 | nevyn | you need to change the umask. |
| 02:01.26 | Ungy | nevyn give access to a2ensite |
| 02:01.38 | nevyn | and make the web folder setgid www-data |
| 02:01.45 | primoz | nevyn, you also have issue if your user are using some kind a scripting with DB ... read permission than allows you to read passwords |
| 02:01.54 | nevyn | primoz: right. |
| 02:02.03 | nevyn | like I said. depends on the situation. |
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| 02:02.24 | primoz | nevyn, what's wrong with apache2 per user ? |
| 02:02.25 | primoz | ;)) |
| 02:02.27 | nevyn | do you need to protect the users from each other or just from accidental stupidity. |
| 02:02.46 | madclicker | nevyn: if i make the /var/www/html folder setgid, would the rest of the directories follow or i need to set each directory under above to proper umask? |
| 02:02.48 | primoz | except that it's bloat |
| 02:02.49 | nevyn | primoz: let them build their own apache and run it on port 400000 |
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| 02:02.56 | primoz | nevyn, no.. |
| 02:03.03 | primoz | you have mpm-per-user model |
| 02:03.07 | nevyn | mmm |
| 02:03.15 | netdur | what line should I add to have debian test repository |
| 02:03.17 | nevyn | madclicker: how many webadmins |
| 02:03.18 | nevyn | ? |
| 02:03.19 | awb4422 | i've typically stuck to stock debian repo's, but how safe would it be to use packages from http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org? I understand that its in experimental... |
| 02:03.25 | primoz | where you can run apaches for every vhost with their owners euid |
| 02:03.27 | madclicker | nevyn: two for now |
| 02:03.33 | netdur | deb url? ./ test |
| 02:03.45 | Gnea | netdur: testing |
| 02:03.46 | nevyn | madclicker: but they're collaberating or you're hosting seperate stuff? |
| 02:03.50 | primoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.53 | nevyn | back in 5 |
| 02:03.53 | madclicker | nevyn: umask, is it set by ftp or applied to directories manually? |
| 02:03.53 | netdur | what url? |
| 02:04.01 | Gnea | netdur: just like stable or unstable, just replace those with testing |
| 02:04.19 | netdur | can you please give me the url? |
| 02:04.20 | Ungy | bah make a php front end that runs commands necessarry and handle the security yourself |
| 02:04.39 | madclicker | primoz: protection works, it's just owners are not adopted by newly created files |
| 02:05.02 | primoz | madclicker, do you offer any scripting? |
| 02:05.13 | madclicker | primoz: no |
| 02:05.36 | primoz | no server side includes? no php? no perl? no nothing? |
| 02:05.37 | primoz | ;)) |
| 02:06.02 | madclicker | primoz: php for sure, the whole site is based on php |
| 02:06.09 | primoz | well.. |
| 02:06.12 | primoz | here we go scripting |
| 02:06.14 | primoz | ;)) |
| 02:06.42 | primoz | what do you think happens if one user's php tries to read other users php? (or.. db config)? |
| 02:06.53 | netdur | would this work? "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian ./ testing" |
| 02:07.27 | primoz | (you're somehow protected from this by running php in safe mode ... but than nothing works |
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| 02:08.13 | Ungy | hmm I just gave each user there own user route the web folder to there home directory and then use php pages to allow them to edit apache |
| 02:08.27 | madclicker | primoz: i was trying to setup (unsuccessfuly) for /var/www/html/website1 directory and files to remain www-data.www-data permissions on uploads or modifications |
| 02:08.32 | madclicker | but no luck |
| 02:08.32 | Ungy | bgut I only have one client and he is a friend |
| 02:08.46 | primoz | madclicker, why would you want www-data.www-data? |
| 02:08.50 | primoz | and 777? |
| 02:08.55 | primoz | that's worst possible configuration |
| 02:09.05 | madclicker | primoz: 664 |
| 02:09.23 | Ungy | hmm /home/username/web |
| 02:09.26 | primoz | madclicker, how can your users edit it if its www-data.www-data and 664 |
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| 02:09.37 | primoz | did you mean username.www-data? |
| 02:09.38 | madclicker | primoz: by default /var/www is www-data.www-data |
| 02:10.04 | madclicker | primoz: i included the user in www-data group |
| 02:10.06 | primoz | madclicker, that would almost qualify as a RC bug |
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| 02:10.22 | primoz | madclicker, that nice |
| 02:10.35 | primoz | but now one user can access and write other user's stuff |
| 02:10.36 | primoz | ;) |
| 02:10.40 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 02:11.00 | madclicker | primoz: nope i made proftpd to be chroot on login |
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| 02:11.14 | primoz | madclicker, that's not the only attack vector |
| 02:11.19 | primoz | thay can do it using php scripts |
| 02:11.20 | primoz | ;)) |
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| 02:12.06 | madclicker | primoz: any docs i can read on howto setup apache directory structure for different webadmins? |
| 02:12.32 | nevyn | primoz: the wwwdata thing is correct |
| 02:12.47 | nevyn | madclicker: use userdir= |
| 02:12.52 | primoz | nevyn, he has php |
| 02:12.54 | primoz | ;)) |
| 02:13.00 | nevyn | yeah nothing wrong with that. |
| 02:13.17 | primoz | so users can read / write other users pages |
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| 02:13.19 | primoz | ;)) |
| 02:13.25 | madclicker | nevyn: userdir= whats that? |
| 02:13.29 | challenged | anyone use mythtv here? |
| 02:13.35 | nevyn | primoz: they can read... |
| 02:13.37 | alpha128 | Hello, i have a debian server with exports /home/sample * and nfs/rpc/portmap running, at the client I mount server:/home/sample /mnt/sample and give a permision denied, something im doing wrong? |
| 02:13.40 | primoz | nevyn, he's 664 |
| 02:13.41 | nevyn | but they shouldn't be able to write. |
| 02:13.42 | primoz | ;)) |
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| 02:13.48 | nevyn | primoz: that's dumb tho. |
| 02:13.52 | primoz | yes |
| 02:13.53 | primoz | ;)) |
| 02:14.08 | nevyn | primoz: that's not debian's problem but. |
| 02:14.14 | primoz | no |
| 02:14.14 | madclicker | would 644 help? |
| 02:14.26 | nevyn | madclicker: yeah |
| 02:14.32 | primoz | debians problem would be if /var/www would be owned by www-data.www-data as he claimed |
| 02:14.35 | individuality | do you know if there is something equivalent to apt-cache search within the zero-install system ? |
| 02:14.38 | primoz | but i've checked and it's root.root |
| 02:14.45 | primoz | so this is not RC bug |
| 02:14.46 | primoz | ;)) |
| 02:14.48 | _joey | do I need to have physical interface to setup QoS or can I use ppp0 setup using pppoeconf ? |
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| 02:15.19 | whistler | could someone paste me ther etc/sysconfig/i18n file |
| 02:15.40 | whistler | english speakers( |
| 02:15.41 | nevyn | madclicker: do the admins need to work on the same set of pages? or on seperate pages? |
| 02:15.58 | primoz | nevyn, it's separate |
| 02:16.05 | whistler | mz fricken szstem got installed in german |
| 02:16.10 | madclicker | primoz: sorry not /var/www/ but /var/www/html |
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| 02:16.28 | nevyn | primoz: honestly for what he's doing I think user public_html directories would be fine. |
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| 02:16.57 | alpha128 | nevyn? |
| 02:17.07 | madclicker | nevyn: one is a main admin of /var/www/html directory the other one is /var/www/html/website-1 |
| 02:17.35 | fatalblu | a horizontal line keeps going up my screen and it is driving me nuts |
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| 02:19.05 | jklm | installed alsa. i don't see it in the kde menu. how to check it out? |
| 02:19.12 | madclicker | what is an RC-bug? |
| 02:19.28 | nevyn | something that's release critical |
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| 02:19.47 | nevyn | ie it stops sarge getting out the door so we can all get on with life. |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | !rc |
| 02:20.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, rc is for Release Critical, or Release Candidate |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | !rc bug |
| 02:20.37 | abrotman | bah |
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| 02:20.44 | abrotman | madclicker: release critical .. |
| 02:20.46 | madclicker | nevyn: got it, btw is there any info i can read on howto setup apache directory structure/rights/permisssions on linux? |
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| 02:21.03 | Ungy | where can I find a list of supported modems ? |
| 02:21.29 | nevyn | madclicker: it's pretty straightforward. |
| 02:21.37 | nevyn | the apache server runs as www-data |
| 02:21.50 | nevyn | so it has to be able to read files you want it to serve. |
| 02:21.55 | Souza10 | I am trying to run ipsec auto --up road into freeswan, but I get a STATE_QUICK_I1: internal error. route-client command exited with status 2. Could anybody help me? |
| 02:22.10 | nevyn | it also needs to be able to execute scripts you want it to run (this means php files) |
| 02:22.15 | Bac9 | Ungy: linmodems.org |
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| 02:22.41 | nevyn | and it needs to be able to write to data files if you have any. |
| 02:22.43 | cheal | !release-critical |
| 02:22.43 | dpkg | i heard release-critical is http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 02:22.50 | madclicker | nevyn: all directories under /var/www/html have to be set individually for "setgid"? |
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| 02:23.33 | nevyn | madclicker: I would simlink /var/www/html/website1 to ~admin1/website1 |
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| 02:23.37 | YaleR | how do I check apt history? |
| 02:23.39 | jklm | installed alsa. i don't see it in the kde menu. how to check it out? |
| 02:23.59 | YaleR | jklm: alsa-mixer |
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| 02:24.04 | YaleR | er... thats alsamixer |
| 02:24.13 | nevyn | madclicker: let's take this offline unless someone is interested in apache minutia? |
| 02:24.17 | jklm | don't get it |
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| 02:24.39 | andrewski | damn, i can't remember: how do i tell which package installed a file? dpkg -something... |
| 02:24.47 | YaleR | apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 02:24.47 | dondelelcaro | andrewski: dpkg -S |
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| 02:25.18 | JaMaLz | http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/hz/d865gvhz_lg.jpg < thats my board 865GVHZ does debian have it's VGA driver |
| 02:25.20 | jklm | its there when i install 'alsa' |
| 02:25.25 | andrewski | dondelelcaro: ah, thank you. :D |
| 02:25.50 | YaleR | alsamixer should work then |
| 02:25.59 | YaleR | in kde you can use kmix |
| 02:26.06 | jklm | w or w/o hypehn? |
| 02:26.13 | jklm | hyphen |
| 02:26.26 | YaleR | without |
| 02:26.34 | YaleR | and you can check by hitting tab |
| 02:26.40 | YaleR | type alsa, and hit tab |
| 02:27.00 | jklm | thks |
| 02:28.26 | Bac9 | JaMaLz: most likely, but in the worst case you can use the svga driver |
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| 02:28.45 | Bac9 | JaMaLz: it depends in what video chip it has |
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| 02:30.21 | dondelelcaro | *** I WILL BE REMOVING A LARGE NUMBER OF BANS SHORTLY. /ignore #debian MODES; IS STRONGLY RECOMMENDED *** |
| 02:30.38 | xenoduck_ | *** OKAY *** |
| 02:30.52 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Thanks :-) |
| 02:30.56 | cinix | Okay so I plugged in my digital camera, and it asked me if I wanted to import them, I said okay, where did they go? |
| 02:30.58 | xenoduck_ | /ignore internet ALL |
| 02:30.59 | dondelelcaro | *** UNBANNING BEGINS *** |
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| 02:31.14 | MasterRa1 | can smoeone recomend a spam filter real quick-like? i'm using sendmail and spamasassin right now, but i find spamassassin to be.. less than adaquate.. |
| 02:31.34 | JaMaLz | Bac9 it's build in |
| 02:31.42 | Guerin | PRACE YOUR UNBANS!!!1 |
| 02:31.47 | Bac9 | JaMaLz: it still must use a chipset |
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| 02:32.11 | JaMaLz | Bac9 well i have the windows driver |
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| 02:32.26 | Bac9 | MasterRa1: some baesian veriety? pleanty of those in the archives |
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| 02:32.41 | xenoduck | OH GOD THE BANS THE BANS WHAT A WORLD |
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| 02:32.50 | Bac9 | JaMaLz: that doesn't tell me much |
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| 02:33.03 | JaMaLz | Bac9 i have the rpm can it be used |
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| 02:33.14 | Bac9 | JaMaLz: rpm for what? |
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| 02:33.18 | cheal | if only Gaim had /ignore |
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| 02:33.24 | JaMaLz | Bac9 for the driver |
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| 02:33.27 | jklm | there is no alsamixer, w or w/o hyphen. |
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| 02:33.37 | Guerin | cheal: server you right for using an im client for irc |
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| 02:33.42 | Bac9 | JaMaLz: if there's an rpm then there's probably a driver available, so check the archive |
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| 02:33.50 | MasterRa1 | Bac9: any one you prefer? or that's reccomended? i can do some research, but i'm not sure where to start |
| 02:33.57 | xenoduck | I am frightened and confused re: the unbans and I've wet myself a little bit. |
| 02:34.12 | jklm | there is no alsamixer, w or w/o hyphen. |
| 02:34.14 | JaMaLz | Bac9 i checked all intel site no other than redhate stuff |
| 02:34.16 | cheal | Guerin: I already signed the doom agreement. gives me right to complain now and then |
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| 02:34.30 | Bac9 | MasterRa1: bsfilter serves me well... and there are a few others that can act as pop proxies |
| 02:34.49 | dondelelcaro | you can remove the /ignore if you wish... |
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| 02:35.03 | MasterRa1 | Bac9: alright. i was hoping for something on the server end, like SpamAssassin works.. i just use pine to check my mail. i'll look around though, thanks for the info |
| 02:35.05 | Bac9 | JaMaLz: if intel has a driver for linux then there is probably a driver for linux what ever distro |
| 02:35.28 | oneo | hey all - my linux box is freezing at the line "inode cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)" during startup, shortly after i choose what kernel to boot. Even if i choose to boot in safe mode it stops booting there and ceases to respond...does anyone know what this could indicate? I didnt change any hardware or software configurations...i just moved my pc from my school to home |
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| 02:36.17 | Bac9 | oneo: a loose connection somewhere in the box? |
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| 02:37.53 | xam | Bac9: I guess his machine was setup to netboot (nfsroot) ... ;) |
| 02:38.37 | Bac9 | xam: ?? |
| 02:39.13 | oneo | Bac9 - i checked each of the connections, the hardware seems to be fine |
| 02:39.20 | xam | Bac9: errrmm, nothing, just a joke |
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| 02:40.13 | oneo | bac9 - do you think it must be a hardware issue? |
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| 02:40.29 | Bac9 | oneo: and all the cards and the ram and the cpu? |
| 02:40.46 | Bac9 | oneo: when something is caused by movement it's usually a loose connection |
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| 02:41.13 | Bac9 | xam: oh ok... sorry didn't get it |
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| 02:42.19 | alt-adam | could anyone help me configure debian so that it always gets the same IP address from my router? |
| 02:42.37 | Bac9 | alt-adam: that depends on your router |
| 02:42.54 | Bac9 | alt-adam: the server desides what ip to give, not the client |
| 02:42.58 | alt-adam | it is a linksys and linksys says i need to configure my web server and not the router |
| 02:43.25 | alt-adam | i thought it should be the other way around, but i figured i would try to find some more info |
| 02:43.40 | Bac9 | alt-adam: you can check that the same host name is sent to the router every lease renew, and mayby try another dhcp client but that's about it |
| 02:44.19 | alt-adam | wait... this is an internal ip address |
| 02:44.32 | Bac9 | alt-adam: your point being? |
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| 02:45.01 | alt-adam | oh i thought it would be different if it were internal |
| 02:45.28 | Bac9 | alt-adam: dhcp is dhcp |
| 02:46.02 | alt-adam | ok i guess i don't quite follow, but thanks for the help anyway |
| 02:46.15 | Bac9 | alt-adam: enjoy |
| 02:46.19 | alt-adam | thx |
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| 02:48.53 | xam | alt-adam: if your client uses dhcp to get a IP address, the server decides which one it will get (you can set up the server to give out the same IP address for a client, or assign IP addresses dynamically, that is up to you). The dhcp client can suggest an IP address (this feature is not often used though), but the server has the last word and decides what the client can/has to use |
| 02:49.46 | alt-adam | xam: when you say client and server.... what do you mean? |
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| 02:50.31 | xam | alt-adam: I guess the manual said that you have to use the web-interface of your linksys-router to configure the router's built-in dhcp-server |
| 02:50.51 | alt-adam | xam: that is what i thought |
| 02:51.16 | alt-adam | xam: but i cannot find any settings that will allow my server to get the same internal ip address every time |
| 02:51.43 | xam | alt-adam: I guess you only have a setting for a 'pool' or range of addresses |
| 02:51.54 | alt-adam | xam: yeah |
| 02:52.11 | asg | alt-adam: then just static your server's ip address and give dhcp the finger |
| 02:52.44 | alt-adam | xam: any idead how i do that with a linksys router? |
| 02:52.44 | xam | alt-adam: then you are out of luck. Well, if you only have one machine at home, you can make the range just be one IP address, eg. from 192.168.0.1-192.168.0.1 or similar |
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| 02:53.17 | alt-adam | xam: we have several machines |
| 02:53.17 | xam | alt-adam: or just don't use dhcp altogether and use static IP addresses |
| 02:53.18 | asg | alt-adam: if it doesn't support static leases, then it isn't possible. Set the ip on the server or run your own (proper) dhcp server on another machine and turn the linksys' off. |
| 02:53.27 | Spurty | lol |
| 02:53.41 | xam | alt-adam: asg is right |
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| 02:53.46 | alt-adam | ok |
| 02:53.52 | alt-adam | that is good info |
| 02:53.56 | alt-adam | thanks guys |
| 02:54.12 | alt-adam | i will get a hold of my router people again... maybe upgrade the firmware |
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| 02:54.26 | alt-adam | i don't think the support guy i talked to knew what he was talking about |
| 02:54.37 | espeis | hi |
| 02:54.49 | alt-adam | thanks again |
| 02:54.53 | asg | alt-adam: for security reasons, you are probably better off staticing any server ips and not using static dhcp. |
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| 02:55.06 | alt-adam | oh |
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| 02:55.09 | alt-adam | ok |
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| 02:55.40 | hogballs | abrotman, im looking for a missing file and cant figure out what package will give me that file. its called libstdc++.so.6 |
| 02:55.50 | asg | hogballs: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:55.59 | Wyzard | alt-adam: That depends on your needs, actually... it's a tradeoff between security and convenience |
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| 02:56.35 | Wyzard | alt-adam: On a home LAN, static DHCP is generally quite acceptable; in a corporate server room, it's probably a bad idea |
| 02:56.43 | abrotman | hogballs: yeah .. really |
| 02:56.43 | hogballs | i used synaptic package manager and saw someting similar but the error saying its still missing |
| 02:57.04 | alt-adam | this is a home set up |
| 02:57.06 | hogballs | i googled the file name too |
| 02:57.11 | Guerin | hogballs: why? |
| 02:57.14 | peterS | hogballs: there's a package named libstdc++6, maybe start there |
| 02:57.21 | abrotman | peterS: too easy!!! |
| 02:57.29 | hogballs | im running WINE with YaHELinux |
| 02:57.37 | abrotman | wrong channel ? |
| 02:57.37 | Guerin | "I think I left my wallet in the car." "Oh, have you looked in the bathroom?" |
| 02:57.47 | Guerin | wrong life |
| 02:58.00 | Wyzard | alt-adam: Then go ahead and use static DHCP... presumably you trust the people in your home not to attack other machines in your home, and you probably don't stand to lose a great deal even if they do |
| 02:58.04 | xam | Wyzard: everything that is getting a IP address via dhcp is not a server *by definition* ;) |
| 02:58.26 | Wyzard | xam: I don't think the definition of a server has anything to do with how it gets its IP address |
| 02:58.37 | challenged | xan:...dyndns would beg to differ o |
| 02:58.38 | hogballs | well peter i get this error |
| 02:58.42 | hogballs | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 02:58.42 | hogballs | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 02:58.43 | Guerin | well, it's a CLIENT if it gets an ip by dhcp, innit? |
| 02:58.45 | challenged | as would i |
| 02:58.46 | alt-adam | yeah |
| 02:58.57 | challenged | hogballs: as root |
| 02:58.57 | Wyzard | alt-adam: Anyway, I don't think there's any way to get a Linksys NAT appliance to do static DHCP... you'd have to use a Linux box as the DHCP server |
| 02:58.59 | Guerin | hogballs: you are as stupid as they day is long |
| 02:59.00 | hogballs | yes |
| 02:59.05 | Guerin | yes |
| 02:59.07 | asg | Guerin: at least he's honest |
| 02:59.21 | xam | challenged: how so? I guess their servers have static IP addresses as well ... |
| 02:59.24 | alt-adam | hmmm.... i see |
| 02:59.36 | Wyzard | alt-adam: apt-get install dhcp3-server |
| 02:59.43 | alt-adam | :) |
| 02:59.44 | asg | abrotman: next to the beer key |
| 02:59.45 | xam | Guerin: at least you got it ... there is still hope ... |
| 03:00.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:00.15 | hogballs | i tried 2 different terminals also |
| 03:00.16 | xam | !beer Guerin |
| 03:00.17 | Wyzard | alt-adam: Read the docs to learn how to configure it in general, but specifically, for static DHCP, you'll want to add entries like: host foo { hardware ethernet xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx; fixed-address aa.bb.cc.dd; } |
| 03:00.35 | hogballs | su password i know |
| 03:00.48 | alt-adam | cool |
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| 03:00.51 | hogballs | i guess i have to reboot then |
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| 03:01.04 | Wyzard | alt-adam: where the "hardware ethernet" directive specifies the computer's MAC address, and the "fixed-address" specifies the IP that should be given to the cilent with that MAC address |
| 03:01.07 | hogballs | something is hanging that file access |
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| 03:01.19 | Guerin | hogballs: man fuser; man lsof |
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| 03:01.30 | Guest19060 | hello |
| 03:01.30 | asg | hogballs: if nothing is really doing apt-get foo, then remove the lock file |
| 03:01.43 | alt-adam | all right |
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| 03:02.13 | Gurgle | is there anybody here which can help me in fixing some nic problems? i am going mad with this... |
| 03:02.14 | hogballs | foo? |
| 03:02.18 | asg | !foo |
| 03:02.19 | dpkg | bar bir bor |
| 03:02.26 | asg | hogballs: google for 'jargon file' |
| 03:02.34 | hogballs | k |
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| 03:02.43 | Wyzard | alt-adam: http://pastebin.ca/11380 -- my dhcpd.conf, if it's any help |
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| 03:03.00 | alt-adam | thanks |
| 03:03.13 | asg | !tell peet about root |
| 03:03.35 | Spurty | !seen drizzt |
| 03:03.36 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'drizzt', Spurty |
| 03:03.39 | Wyzard | xam: What features? |
| 03:03.53 | hogballs | Master Foo |
| 03:03.59 | hogballs | wtf is that |
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| 03:04.13 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:04.24 | asg | ffs |
| 03:04.26 | asg | !dict foo |
| 03:04.29 | colera | wow there are alot of people in here |
| 03:04.31 | dpkg | Dictionary 'foo' (3 of 14): [Jargon File] ;; (1998-04-16) ;; An old-time member reports that in the 1959 "Dictionary of the TMRC Language", compiled at TMRC there was an entry that went something like this:. |
| 03:04.33 | xam | Wyzard: fddi support. The 'man'ual says it doesn't support, the changelog says it does. At least the manual is correct |
| 03:04.47 | asg | !+dict foo |
| 03:04.52 | dpkg | Dictionary 'foo' (2 of 14): Very probably, hackish "foo" had no single origin and derives through all these channels from Yiddish "feh" and/or English "fooey". ;; An old-time member reports that in the 1959 "Dictionary of the TMRC Language", compiled at TMRC there was an entry that went something like this:. |
| 03:05.02 | Gurgle | i have a sarge box with 2 nics. eth0 and eth1. if they are both plugged i have 2 ip as normal on that box, 10.0.0.4 (eth0) and 10.0.0.5 (eth1) but... if i unplug the 1st nic i can't ping just 10.0.0.4 as i supposed, but i can't ping both of them. instead if i unplug the second nic (eth1) i can still ping both addresses. can anybody help me please? |
| 03:05.12 | hogballs | ok like junk or stuff |
| 03:05.16 | hogballs | or whatever |
| 03:05.20 | asg | hogballs: no, just a placeholder for whatever |
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| 03:05.30 | hogballs | god |
| 03:05.33 | asg | hogballs: apt-get foo == apt-get <insert something here> |
| 03:05.36 | Wyzard | Gurgle: You have two NICs on the same network, but you only have one default route |
| 03:05.49 | xam | Gurgle: you don't want to have two IP addresses on the same subnet with two NICs, unless you *know* what you are doing |
| 03:06.03 | hogballs | ive heard of fooey but that is like saying aww crappy junk |
| 03:06.06 | Gurgle | i was setting up an iptable |
| 03:06.11 | Cuddles | Hi folks. I'm VERY new to debian (just set up my first debian box tonight), and I've got a little question... I'm running a SCSI system, and lilo is NOT booting from the hard drive. Any way to fix it? |
| 03:06.16 | Gurgle | and i thouth i could connect eth0 to the router |
| 03:06.19 | Gurgle | and eth1 to my internal lan |
| 03:06.24 | xam | Gurgle: also look at /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/arp_filter and rp_filter |
| 03:06.31 | Gurgle | using forward rules between the 2 nics |
| 03:06.50 | Wyzard | Gurgle: You can do that, but the IP network addresses on each side will be different |
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| 03:07.01 | Wyzard | Gurgle: Not two IPs on the same network |
| 03:07.40 | Wyzard | Gurgle: (Also, if you're talking about a home broadband "router" appliance, you can get rid of that entirely and plug your Linux router box directly into the broadband) |
| 03:07.55 | Gurgle | the problem is that i can access 2 ip of that machine with only one nic plugged. eth0. if i plug only eht1 i can't ping that |
| 03:08.08 | Spurty | ? |
| 03:08.10 | Wyzard | Gurgle: From your questions, it sounds like you don't know much about TCP/IP networking |
| 03:08.20 | colera | anyone here familiar with DVDShrink for windows who nows a comparable program in linux |
| 03:08.20 | asg | !be ed |
| 03:08.20 | xam | Gurgle: you should probably look into bridge-utils |
| 03:08.20 | dpkg | ? |
| 03:08.21 | colera | ? |
| 03:08.21 | Gurgle | nope i dont know too much :) |
| 03:08.27 | Gurgle | i'm a noobo :) |
| 03:08.31 | Wyzard | Gurgle: Install a package such as ipmasq or firehol rather thatn writing iptables rules by hand... that'll make it a lot easier |
| 03:08.49 | Gurgle | i have no problems in iptables for now i just have this problem of the nics. |
| 03:08.54 | asg | Gurgle: or at least set a static route for the non-default gateway |
| 03:09.01 | colera | Wyzard is firehol pretty good? |
| 03:09.04 | Gurgle | they're both static |
| 03:09.25 | Gurgle | in /etc/network/interfaces they have 2 different ip |
| 03:09.28 | Wyzard | colera: I use it and I like it. The configuration syntax is very succinct and readable, but it's still quite powerful. |
| 03:09.43 | asg | Gurgle: that's their ip, not the route for the interface. |
| 03:09.44 | Gurgle | whatever... i'll search some forum. thx for the info |
| 03:09.51 | Gurgle | bye thx |
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| 03:10.17 | Cuddles | Hi folks. I'm VERY new to debian (just set up my first debian box tonight), and I've got a little question... I'm running a SCSI system, and lilo is NOT booting from the hard drive. Any way to fix it? |
| 03:10.30 | abrotman | i accidentally installed suse on my debian |
| 03:10.36 | far | How to forward traffic between diff interfaces both having diff ip address ? same mask |
| 03:10.40 | far | Hello |
| 03:10.42 | xam | abrotman: wtf? |
| 03:10.44 | Wyzard | Cuddles: Is the BIOS configured to boot from the SCSI drive? |
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| 03:10.53 | Cuddles | Wyzard: Far as I know it is. |
| 03:10.54 | abrotman | xam: it was an accident |
| 03:11.00 | abrotman | xam: can you help me get it back? |
| 03:11.11 | Wyzard | far: Forwarding between two interfaces on the same IP network? |
| 03:11.37 | Wyzard | far: As was just discussed with Gurgle, that's generally a bad idea, except in special cases with specific, esoteric needs |
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| 03:11.51 | Cuddles | Wyzard: Is it possible to install grub instead of lilo? I'm more comfortable with it. |
| 03:11.56 | far | Wyzard different networks, 172.16 to 10.0.2 and to 10.0.200 |
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| 03:12.26 | Wyzard | Cuddles: Yes, you can use GRUB rather than LILO, but if LILO is properly installed and the BIOS isn't booting it, you should definitely double-check the BIOS config. |
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| 03:12.33 | xam | abrotman: no, it is tainted. I'd reinstall if I were you ;) |
| 03:12.39 | abrotman | xam: help me .. i'm in a hurry .. i need to get my bootscreen fixerored |
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| 03:12.46 | Cuddles | Wyzard: I'll check that soon as it gets done with the atp-setup. |
| 03:12.54 | Cuddles | Wyzard: And thanks for helping. :) |
| 03:12.55 | Wyzard | far: Installing a firewall package such as FireHOL or Shorewall would be the best way |
| 03:13.00 | abrotman | xam: sorry .. bad joke .. |
| 03:13.16 | xam | abrotman: yeah, expected a lot better from you |
| 03:13.32 | abrotman | xam: sorry |
| 03:13.50 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: I've installed shorewall... and when I try and start it, give me the error Zones Undefined. Do you know what that is? |
| 03:13.53 | jetscreamer | it's in /var/log/log/log/ |
| 03:13.57 | far | Wyzard, why do I need a firewall ? |
| 03:14.10 | TwistedEmotions | far: To keep people out and info in.. |
| 03:14.21 | jetscreamer | you don't need no steenkin firewall |
| 03:14.25 | xam | TwistedEmotions: or the other way round ... |
| 03:14.36 | Guerin | you expected better from abrotman ? hahaha |
| 03:14.40 | abrotman | !logloglog |
| 03:14.43 | Wyzard | far: It's a misnomer... "firewall packages" are just tools to generate iptables rules from a policy, rather than having to write them by hand |
| 03:14.43 | abrotman | oh well |
| 03:14.47 | TwistedEmotions | xam: Hehe... I suppose ;) |
| 03:14.48 | jetscreamer | you need to run everything as root |
| 03:14.52 | Guerin | everyone knows he's the unfunniest person in #debian |
| 03:14.57 | Wyzard | far: It doesn't imply that you actually have to restrict anything, if you don't want to |
| 03:15.03 | xam | TwistedEmotions: just look at china |
| 03:15.11 | jetscreamer | NO I'M NOT! |
| 03:15.25 | colera | jetscreamer is screaming : ) |
| 03:15.30 | colera | how fitting |
| 03:15.32 | far | Wyzard, I don't need or whant to restrict ... just forward |
| 03:15.45 | Guerin | !dict whant |
| 03:15.46 | jetscreamer | more like spamming |
| 03:15.47 | dpkg | could not find definition for whant |
| 03:15.53 | jetscreamer | whant==want |
| 03:15.57 | jetscreamer | don't you no>? |
| 03:15.58 | Guerin | no |
| 03:15.58 | TwistedEmotions | xam: Hahahaha... That wall isnt using fire package... uses a brick package ;) |
| 03:16.01 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:16.02 | Guerin | whant=whant |
| 03:16.16 | Shorty` | are there any *decent* mirrors for amd-64 ? |
| 03:16.22 | TwistedEmotions | xam: damn... sorry bad joke... |
| 03:16.29 | TwistedEmotions | xam: Hella bad joke.. |
| 03:16.31 | asg | Shorty`: #debian-amd64 will know |
| 03:16.41 | Wyzard | far: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 03:16.51 | far | Wyzard, already have it |
| 03:17.04 | colera | anyone know where to get a channel list for freenode on the net? |
| 03:17.12 | Wyzard | colera: /list |
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| 03:17.34 | Wyzard | far: And each of your interfaces is properly configured with an IP address and correct netmask? |
| 03:17.41 | UdontKnow | colera: irc.netsplit.de |
| 03:17.45 | UdontKnow | colera: http:// |
| 03:17.46 | colera | Wyzard i know i didn't want to have to list it : ( |
| 03:17.50 | asg | colera: you get extra points if you log the output and save it to a file for later perusal |
| 03:17.55 | far | Wyzard, yes |
| 03:17.58 | omnis | omnistegan..you here? |
| 03:17.58 | UdontKnow | colera: you can see it there |
| 03:18.06 | TwistedEmotions | the firewall won't be started/stopped unless it is configured << ---- Errr... I thought the idea behind running shorewall was that I would have GUI interface... if I have to configure it WTF is the point? |
| 03:18.20 | colera | UdontKnow thanks |
| 03:18.23 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: No, that is not the point of Shorewall |
| 03:18.53 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... so why doesnt everyone use IP Tables then? |
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| 03:19.03 | Wyzard | far: That should work, then... I'd take a look at the traffic with a tool such as Ethereal, and look in particular at the packets' source and destination IP addresses |
| 03:19.19 | asg | TwistedEmotions: for the same reason that some people use apt-get instead of downloading packages and dependencies and using dpkg -i foo |
| 03:19.33 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: iptables rules are tedious to write by hand... firewall packages such as Shorewall let you describe a *policy*, and the tool generates the iptables rules to make it so |
| 03:19.52 | TwistedEmotions | Errr.. kk.. |
| 03:19.52 | Souza10 | I am trying to run ipsec auto --up road into freeswan, but I get a STATE_QUICK_I1: internal error. route-client command exited with status 2. Could anybody help me? |
| 03:20.07 | TwistedEmotions | I thought it was a GUI based firewall. |
| 03:20.21 | asg | Wyzard: or #iptables for that matter |
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| 03:20.36 | asg | TwistedEmotions: that's fwbuilder |
| 03:20.38 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: No, it's a tool which generates iptables rules from a configuration file describing what sort of traffic you want to allow |
| 03:20.51 | hogballs | libstdc++6 is already the newest version. |
| 03:20.57 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: I recommend FireHOL over Shorewall, btw |
| 03:21.03 | TwistedEmotions | asg Wyzard: kk thanks... |
| 03:21.08 | asg | TwistedEmotions: you're welcome |
| 03:21.21 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: Any major difference? |
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| 03:21.32 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: The configuration syntax is a lot more succinct |
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| 03:21.45 | TwistedEmotions | succinct? |
| 03:21.48 | asg | TwistedEmotions: terse |
| 03:22.16 | asg | Wyzard: or #roget's |
| 03:22.21 | abrotman | !dict terse |
| 03:22.24 | dpkg | Dictionary 'terse' (4 of 11): Terse, luminous, and dignified eloquence. --Macaulay. ;; 3. Elegantly concise; free of superfluous words; polished to smoothness; as, terse language; a terse style. ;; Syn: Neat; concise; compact. ;; ["Hardware Logic Simulation by Compilation", C. Hansen, 25th ACM/IEEE Design Automation Conf, 1988].. |
| 03:22.40 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: http://pastebin.ca/11383 -- my firehol.conf... I'll bet you can guess most of what it does, even without having read any documentation on it |
| 03:22.47 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh... cleaner.. |
| 03:22.49 | Phated | TwistedEmotions: Short. |
| 03:23.01 | abrotman | asg: Why use big works when dimunitive ones will suffice? |
| 03:23.03 | abrotman | er words |
| 03:23.08 | asg | abrotman: terse is quite small |
| 03:23.12 | Phated | It is. |
| 03:23.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:23.14 | hogballs | yahelinux is hanging |
| 03:23.20 | asg | hogballs: then ask #yahelinux |
| 03:23.22 | far | thanks for the help people, you to Wyzard [] |
| 03:23.26 | hogballs | lol |
| 03:23.35 | abrotman | at least i didn't hang you by the balls |
| 03:23.50 | asg | abrotman: or make a bacon sandwich out of him |
| 03:23.56 | abrotman | i wish |
| 03:23.58 | abrotman | !bacon |
| 03:23.58 | dpkg | well, bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that Flockhart wench... |
| 03:23.59 | Phated | Ewwww, balls-sandwich? |
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| 03:24.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:24.06 | asg | Phated: lamb fries |
| 03:24.09 | abrotman | damn flockhart! |
| 03:24.13 | Phated | asg: -What-? |
| 03:24.20 | asg | Phated: google for lamb fries |
| 03:24.29 | abrotman | where's that crap from canada |
| 03:24.29 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: Wow... dude I should upload my works IP Tables... you would shit a brick... |
| 03:24.30 | Guerin | mountain oysters |
| 03:24.32 | tyranix | Wyzard: Ahh that's much better. My iptables.conf is huge. I hate writing iptables rules because it's so verbose. |
| 03:24.34 | abrotman | Guerin: no |
| 03:24.35 | Phated | I am NOT googling for anything this channel asks me to google. |
| 03:24.37 | abrotman | no damn way |
| 03:24.38 | Guerin | they're supposedly fantastic |
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| 03:24.49 | hogballs | nobody was home there |
| 03:24.53 | abrotman | Guerin: even my mom won't eat them .. and she eats everything .. even mrs. asg |
| 03:24.56 | asg | Phated: number one hit is Testicle recipes (lamb fries) |
| 03:25.01 | Phated | I knew it. |
| 03:25.02 | Guerin | hogballs: that's because you're using a distro without any support |
| 03:25.20 | abrotman | asg: sorry |
| 03:25.21 | asg | abrotman: mrs. asg would likely give them a go. |
| 03:25.26 | Guerin | i'll eat anything once, and good things more times |
| 03:25.32 | abrotman | asg: rocky mountain oysters ? |
| 03:25.34 | asg | Guerin: good policy |
| 03:25.35 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 03:25.38 | abrotman | pass |
| 03:25.41 | Guerin | going for Peking Dog again sometime soon |
| 03:25.47 | abrotman | i'll eat lots of stuff .. not that though |
| 03:26.01 | Guerin | abrotman: it's the homophobia talking |
| 03:26.09 | asg | abrotman: haven't had 'em myself but I've had fried chicken livers w/ marmalade which is equally nasty |
| 03:26.20 | Guerin | you just can't square with the idea of having balls in your mouth |
| 03:26.30 | abrotman | Guerin: no . i thinkit's the testicle thing .. i mean .. i don't think i'd eat cow ovaries either |
| 03:26.32 | Guerin | naw, chicken livers are GREAT |
| 03:26.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:26.39 | abrotman | liver rules! |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | ok . |
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| 03:26.52 | asg | abrotman: oxtail soup is tasty also |
| 03:26.54 | Guerin | abrotman: why not? Don't you eat any offal? no heart, liver, kidneys... tongue, brains? |
| 03:26.58 | Guerin | lung? |
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| 03:27.24 | hogballs | how do i list the application that is hanging |
| 03:27.27 | abrotman | Guerin: i eat tongue,liver,kidney .. uhm .. i think i've had heart too ..but i have limits damn it! |
| 03:27.40 | asg | hogballs: ps (look for something likely) |
| 03:27.41 | Guerin | abrotman: weakling |
| 03:27.52 | abrotman | perhaps |
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| 03:28.13 | mrgenixus | does anybody have any experience wil apache-sll and php4, and knows the pitfalls, apache-ssl doesn't apear to be passing off the php files to php, it's just trying to wholesale upload them to th browser |
| 03:28.13 | Guerin | definitely a weakling, as sleep is for the weak |
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| 03:28.17 | asg | hogballs: ps aux (for everything running on the system.) |
| 03:28.44 | asg | mrgenixus: you'll get much better results if you use apache + mod_ssl + php4 |
| 03:28.46 | Guerin | mrgenixus: look up addhandler |
| 03:28.48 | Wyzard | mrgenixus: I've never quite understood the point of apache-ssl when there's libapache-mod-ssl |
| 03:28.50 | Spurty | ok guys, whats the best way to map a linux home drive from fileserver to clients? |
| 03:28.52 | Spurty | nfs ? |
| 03:28.59 | Guerin | i find that apache-ssl works perfectly with all my php |
| 03:29.01 | Spurty | server and clients all linux |
| 03:29.05 | hogballs | ok so to stop a process i put in ? |
| 03:29.10 | Guerin | it's just a matter of setting it up properly |
| 03:29.10 | asg | hogballs: man kill |
| 03:29.12 | mrgenixus | Wyzard: oh? |
| 03:29.26 | Vladi | hi, how can i align superkaramba themes just like kde windows is there an easy way similar to kde's ALT + leftclick ? thx! |
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| 03:29.28 | Guerin | Spurty: nfs if you need only host-based security |
| 03:29.30 | Wyzard | mrgenixus: You can load SSL support as a module in "plain" Apache |
| 03:29.31 | tyranix | Spurty: shfs? :) |
| 03:29.35 | mrgenixus | can I uninstall apache-ssl and enable mod_ssl and then use https to acces my server? |
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| 03:29.38 | Spurty | whats shfs ? |
| 03:29.43 | asg | Spurty: ssh file system |
| 03:29.55 | Spurty | hostbased is all I need but I have ssh so shfs sounds kinky |
| 03:29.56 | asg | Vladi: #debian-kde |
| 03:30.04 | Guerin | mrgenixus: yes, but there's no point, since apache-ssl works fine with php |
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| 03:30.08 | Wyzard | mrgenixus: Should work, though I don't have much experience with it myself |
| 03:30.11 | Guerin | i know this, because I have it working |
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| 03:30.27 | asg | Guerin: but you also eat dog and offel, so how can we trust you ;) |
| 03:30.29 | tyranix | Spurty: I've used it before but not for mounting /home. |
| 03:30.30 | mrgenixus | Guerin: yeah, what order did you install them? |
| 03:30.46 | asg | s/el/al/ |
| 03:30.48 | Spurty | ok |
| 03:30.48 | mrgenixus | I just need something that will work |
| 03:30.52 | Guerin | asg: hah |
| 03:31.03 | mrgenixus | I've had apache and php working, and just installed apache-ssl |
| 03:31.04 | Guerin | mrgenixus: i don't recall |
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| 03:31.14 | mrgenixus | and I can't make it work |
| 03:31.22 | Guerin | mrgenixus: apt-get install --reinstall <all the pohp stuff you want> |
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| 03:31.32 | asg | mrgenixus: apache-ssl probably didn't make the necessary php fixes to /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 03:31.35 | Spurty | I already have nfs setup for large splice for my solaris box |
| 03:31.42 | Guerin | mrgenixus: that should ask a bunch of questions to get it set up automatically |
| 03:31.52 | asg | Spurty: then go for it, since you are familiar with it and know it's implications. |
| 03:31.57 | mrgenixus | asg: actually the config files (httpd.conf) are identical |
| 03:32.01 | mrgenixus | that's what's wierd |
| 03:32.13 | Spurty | asg, rgr |
| 03:32.26 | Wyzard | mrgenixus: httpd.conf probably includes some other files, though |
| 03:32.33 | Guerin | mrgenixus: but basically; you need to load the module and you need a handler for .php files... it's pretty straightforward, and well covered in the doc. No different from regular apache. |
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| 03:32.55 | Guerin | if they're identical, then your apache-ssl is broken, because there's no ssl. |
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| 03:33.09 | teknoprep | hi all |
| 03:34.14 | mrgenixus | hmm, ok so I apt-get removed apache-ssl, and installed libapache-mod-ssl |
| 03:34.34 | Spurty | hmm |
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| 03:34.51 | kadu | help plz? |
| 03:34.55 | mrgenixus | but now ther server isn't accessable on port 443? |
| 03:35.02 | mrgenixus | that is: no https:// |
| 03:35.06 | mrgenixus | now what? |
| 03:35.19 | Guerin | you need Listen 443 |
| 03:35.23 | Guerin | naturally |
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| 03:35.37 | Guerin | you need one Listen directive per port you wish to use |
| 03:35.38 | asg | !tell kadu about ask |
| 03:35.42 | mrgenixus | oh |
| 03:35.47 | mrgenixus | ok, where do I put that? |
| 03:35.58 | Guerin | mrgenixus: right by the one which says Listen 80 |
| 03:36.14 | Wyzard | mrgenixus: (It doesn't listen on 443 by default because it's also possible to use TLS over 80 |
| 03:36.36 | Spurty | roffle, nfs mount was awesome. Mrs now has identical setup wherever she is in the house now. Thanks asg |
| 03:36.40 | kadu | when i try to install Wine, it says libgl.a is present on your system, please delete file and restart configuration |
| 03:36.47 | asg | Spurty: you're welcome |
| 03:36.55 | Guerin | !wayc |
| 03:36.56 | mrgenixus | Guerin: which file... |
| 03:37.00 | Guerin | !wayc kadu |
| 03:37.01 | dpkg | kadu: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 03:37.06 | Guerin | mrgenixus: there is only one httpd.conf |
| 03:37.09 | mrgenixus | there's no Listen directive in httpd.conf |
| 03:37.19 | kadu | that didnt work either |
| 03:37.21 | Guerin | mrgenixus: it may be commented; but it is there. |
| 03:37.22 | asg | mrgenixus: grep -lr Listen /etc/apache |
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| 03:38.09 | mrgenixus | well, it wasn't but I figured out where to put it. |
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| 03:38.42 | mrgenixus | The connection to samson has terminated unexpectedly. Some data may have been transferred. |
| 03:38.42 | mrgenixus | The address (URL) is not a valid format and cannot be read. A typical address will start with "http://", followed by an address, (e.g. www.netscape.com), followed by a path to the content (or just "/"). A common cause for the problem is using backslashes(\) instead of forward slashes (/). |
| 03:38.42 | mrgenixus | The file specified by the address (URL) cannot be found. Check that the file exists and that you have sufficient permissions to view it. |
| 03:38.42 | mrgenixus | The address (URL) does not correspond to a known site and could not be loaded. This could be due to a misspelling in the address or because the site does not exist. If the address is known to be valid, or if the problem occurs for many sites, it may be an issue with your proxy service (if you use one) or the directory name service lookup. In such cases you should consult your system documentation, administrator or Internet Service Provider (I |
| 03:39.00 | asg | cat flap! |
| 03:39.13 | Guerin | what a fucking idiot |
| 03:39.24 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:39.52 | ctrlER | gravity, installing deb from rc3 netinstal now... :) but the mepis to debian thingie worked flawless |
| 03:40.08 | kadu | hmm |
| 03:40.12 | kadu | i already have Wine |
| 03:40.18 | kadu | but when i try to install somthing |
| 03:40.20 | asg | too much by the sound of it |
| 03:40.22 | kadu | it gives me a error |
| 03:41.02 | kadu | x:/glc48fe.tmp not found |
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| 03:42.03 | asg | kadu: try #winehq, this may not be a Debian issue. |
| 03:42.11 | TwistedEmotions | What kernel version is sarge going to use when it goes stable? |
| 03:42.23 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 |
| 03:42.25 | asg | TwistedEmotions: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8.1 |
| 03:42.27 | skermajo | i've got sshd running, but it won't authenticate me remotely. I just keep getting 'access denied' when entering a password. locally it works fine. any ideas ?? |
| 03:42.37 | TwistedEmotions | kk thanks |
| 03:42.38 | asg | skermajo: /var/log/auth.log |
| 03:42.43 | asg | skermajo: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 03:42.45 | Guerin | skermajo: read your sshd_config |
| 03:42.53 | Guerin | and ssh -vvv |
| 03:43.14 | skermajo | asg, Guerin: thanks . .will investigate . . read sshd.config put will take a closer look :) |
| 03:43.25 | asg | skermajo: you're welcome |
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| 03:45.20 | Spurty | ok, last question (cause I'm tired) |
| 03:45.37 | Spurty | I have a hp laserjet 3020 plumbed into a debian box (Mrs one) |
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| 03:45.50 | Spurty | Gedit, Nedit, Gimp all print to it seemlessly |
| 03:45.58 | Spurty | Mozilla on the other hand is being funny |
| 03:46.48 | tyranix | Anyone know the difference between: xfs, xfs-xtt, xfstt in unstable? Which one is recommended? |
| 03:46.52 | xstar | i have problem installing alsa i.e. i don't know if it is properly installed. any help? |
| 03:47.27 | asg | tyranix: unless you are actually serving fonts to other systems, they are not needed. |
| 03:47.31 | colera | i am about to wipe windows entirely from my computer and use 100% linux i am trying to decide on a distro. do you think that debain would have out of box support for my wireless cards? |
| 03:47.45 | asg | colera: fsvo wireless cards. |
| 03:47.48 | tyranix | asg: I see, thanks. |
| 03:47.53 | asg | tyranix: you're welcome |
| 03:48.06 | colera | asg: fsvo? |
| 03:48.10 | asg | !fsvo |
| 03:48.10 | dpkg | methinks fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 03:48.15 | xam | colera: since we don't know your wireless card, I'd say no |
| 03:48.42 | colera | xam: it the intell 2100 |
| 03:48.49 | shingouz | ipw2100 |
| 03:48.54 | Wyzard | colera: Why not install a dual-boot system first, and see whether everything works before you switch over completely? |
| 03:48.58 | shingouz | should be supported |
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| 03:49.14 | colera | Wyzard i guess i could try that |
| 03:49.38 | colera | Wyzard i am just antzy to get rid of windows : ) |
| 03:50.01 | Wyzard | colera: Why? |
| 03:50.16 | shingouz | colera: At least the card is supported but I am not sure if it is supported by the installer. After you have a working system there the card can be mad to work |
| 03:50.23 | ctrlER | the desktop install of sarge with rc3 uses 1.5GiB??! |
| 03:50.30 | ctrlER | a bit bloated isnt it? |
| 03:50.42 | dondelelcaro | ctrlER: well, you're the one who selected the desktop task. |
| 03:50.43 | shingouz | ctrlER: Depends on what you install there |
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| 03:50.57 | colera | shingouz thanks |
| 03:51.07 | dondelelcaro | considering that the desktop task includes both gnome *AND* kde, amongst other things, it's probably overkill |
| 03:51.10 | ctrlER | i didnt manualy selected the packages, just chose desktop |
| 03:51.18 | xam | ctrlER: why? that's less than my swap space ;) |
| 03:51.38 | xstar | i have problem installing alsa i.e. i don't know if it is properly installed. any help? |
| 03:51.45 | Wyzard | I don't like tasks... they're a great way to dump a bunch of packages on your system that you don't know what they are, what they do, or whether you really need them |
| 03:51.46 | shingouz | colera: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 03:52.02 | ctrlER | can i just ^c and start again? |
| 03:52.21 | dondelelcaro | ctrlER: in the installer? probably. |
| 03:52.24 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: can you post your firewall program again? |
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| 03:52.36 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: **firewall file.. |
| 03:52.37 | ctrlER | done that |
| 03:52.38 | ctrlER | worked |
| 03:52.39 | dondelelcaro | ctrlER: outside of it, definetly. |
| 03:52.48 | tyranix | TwistedEmotions: http://pastebin.ca/11383 |
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| 03:53.31 | colera | shingouz why what does that do? |
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| 03:53.43 | TwistedEmotions | tyranix: LoL... I wont ask why you have HIS firewall file ;) |
| 03:53.44 | mrgenixus | sorry about that |
| 03:53.47 | kasper | are there hostap drivers for 2.6 avaliable through apt? |
| 03:53.58 | shingouz | colera: Information about the install |
| 03:54.09 | colera | shingouz k cool |
| 03:54.10 | mrgenixus | so https still doesn't work |
| 03:54.16 | colera | shingouz thanks |
| 03:54.21 | shingouz | colera: np |
| 03:54.27 | xstar | no one knows nothing about alsa here? |
| 03:54.40 | gravity | Holy crap. Xnest is cool! |
| 03:54.44 | tyranix | TwistedEmotions: hehe it was the last thing I highlighted with the mouse. |
| 03:54.45 | gravity | Why have I never played with this before? |
| 03:54.47 | shingouz | xstar: Just ask your question |
| 03:54.50 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 03:54.59 | xstar | i have problem installing alsa i.e. i don't know if it is properly installed. any help? |
| 03:55.03 | mrgenixus | clear |
| 03:55.03 | mrgenixus | ls |
| 03:55.04 | Guerin | mrgenixus: PEBCAK |
| 03:55.09 | mrgenixus | Guerin: yeah |
| 03:55.13 | mrgenixus | lol |
| 03:55.14 | TwistedEmotions | xstar: It's installed right if your sound works ;) |
| 03:55.15 | mrgenixus | what? |
| 03:55.17 | shingouz | xstar: lsmod | grep snd |
| 03:55.29 | xstar | no sound |
| 03:55.29 | Wyzard | mrgenixus: The last message you pasted was from your browser, indicating that the URL you had typed was nonsense |
| 03:55.33 | shingouz | xstar: And of course if the sound works it is there |
| 03:55.38 | mrgenixus | Wyzard: and then some |
| 03:55.43 | shingouz | xstar: Not even as root? |
| 03:55.46 | Wyzard | mrgenixus: Not that it couldn't connect to the server... that it couldn't even tell what you wanted it to do |
| 03:55.50 | xstar | no way to config |
| 03:55.51 | TwistedEmotions | xstar: Then its not setup right ;) |
| 03:56.00 | TwistedEmotions | xstar: Errors ? Anything? |
| 03:56.03 | xstar | how to set it up right? |
| 03:56.03 | mrgenixus | well you see what it does: https://yale.servegame.com |
| 03:56.04 | shingouz | xstar: No sound even as root? |
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| 03:56.17 | ctrlER | i just didint chose any and ill apt-get later... (hope it works...) |
| 03:56.28 | xstar | not even as root |
| 03:56.38 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: LoL... fourth time you ask him.. |
| 03:56.45 | shingouz | xstar: What is the sound hardware you have there |
| 03:56.55 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: <shrug> ;) |
| 03:57.12 | mrgenixus | what do you think |
| 03:57.20 | mrgenixus | http://yale.servegame.com |
| 03:57.21 | Guerin | mrgenixus: your config is incomplete |
| 03:57.25 | mrgenixus | oh? |
| 03:57.29 | skermajo | i have told sshd not to reverse map addresses, yet it still tries and won't authenticate me remotely because of it. any ideas ? |
| 03:57.30 | mrgenixus | how can you tell |
| 03:57.38 | xstar | intel 82801 and ad1985 codec |
| 03:58.00 | Guerin | i saw this error a week or so ago when I was migrating a server from apache to apache-ssl |
| 03:58.11 | mrgenixus | oh? what's it mean? |
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| 03:58.12 | Guerin | i don't recall what I did to fix it, though |
| 03:58.17 | mrgenixus | oh. |
| 03:58.18 | mrgenixus | ok |
| 03:58.22 | mrgenixus | using mod_ssl now |
| 03:58.26 | shingouz | xstar: alsaconf should be able to hack it. Try it out |
| 03:58.30 | Guerin | it means that a connection is made and the server sends back some garbage the client can't use |
| 03:58.32 | mrgenixus | it doesn't matter which I use it seems |
| 03:58.35 | gravity | More people must learn of Xnest. Why log out to try a new WM? |
| 03:58.37 | eob84 | is there a guide somewhere telling what a basic debian kernel needs? |
| 03:58.48 | xstar | run command alsaconf? |
| 03:58.50 | Guerin | i suspect that you're listening on a https port, but not sending encrypted data |
| 03:58.57 | mrgenixus | Guerin: prob. |
| 03:58.59 | Spurty | anyone get to my Mozilla printing question yet? |
| 03:59.05 | mrgenixus | So how do I fix that? |
| 03:59.06 | shingouz | xstar: Yes. As root. and /msg dpkg nicktab |
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| 03:59.24 | gravity | Spurty: What's your problem? |
| 03:59.25 | Guerin | mrgenixus: so look at the virtualhost or whatever it is, and make sure you have SSLEnable and so on |
| 03:59.56 | Guerin | mrgenixus: there's a bunch of stuf you need ; refer to the sample httpd.conf for apache-ssl for details |
| 03:59.57 | Spurty | gravity, I have a HP laserjet 3020 plugged into a debian box. Nedit, Gedit, Gimp all print no problems (its configured) |
| 04:00.02 | gravity | Spurty: Oh. Remove xprint |
| 04:00.06 | Spurty | however mozilla is strange |
| 04:00.09 | gravity | Spurty: Any and all mentions of xprint. |
| 04:00.10 | Spurty | oh remove xprint |
| 04:00.14 | gravity | Spurty: Should print fine after that. |
| 04:00.15 | Guerin | mrgenixus: this is why you SHOULD use apache-ssl - it comes with a working config, you just have to customise it |
| 04:00.21 | gravity | xprint == teh evil |
| 04:00.34 | mrgenixus | Guerin: except it didn't work either |
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| 04:00.43 | Spurty | ok, removing .. |
| 04:00.45 | Guerin | mrgenixus: because you didn't configure it right |
| 04:00.49 | tyranix | hmmm learning all sorts of X stuff I shouldn't have installed. :) What else besides xfs* and xprint? |
| 04:00.52 | gravity | Spurty: You may have to restart Mozilla |
| 04:00.55 | Spurty | k |
| 04:00.56 | Spurty | one moment |
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| 04:01.11 | Guerin | mrgenixus: at least you could CONNECT to the https server, right? |
| 04:01.12 | gravity | tyranix: Most everything else should be fine |
| 04:01.14 | shingouz | gravity: xprint and not Xfprint? |
| 04:01.19 | mrgenixus | Guerin: ok.... |
| 04:01.23 | gravity | shingouz: Right |
| 04:01.23 | tyranix | gravity: ok |
| 04:01.25 | gravity | Just xprint |
| 04:01.33 | mrgenixus | so I could connect, but I couldn't use it for the one thing I wanted to ue it for |
| 04:01.36 | gravity | xprint, xprint-xprintorg, etc |
| 04:01.37 | shingouz | gravity: Ok |
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| 04:01.50 | xstar | shingouz, alsaconf finally says "no legacy driver available" |
| 04:01.54 | mrgenixus | ok, so I've messed up everything now, except apache stil works |
| 04:02.00 | Guerin | mrgenixus: and I told you how to fix that, and it's much more simple than configuring mod_ssl |
| 04:02.00 | gravity | Also xprt-xprintorg |
| 04:02.12 | shingouz | xstar: What kernel you run there then? 2.4? |
| 04:02.18 | xstar | 2.6.8 |
| 04:02.19 | mrgenixus | ok, so install apache-ssl and then... |
| 04:02.19 | Guerin | ok, best of luck |
| 04:02.24 | Guerin | i'm back off to work |
| 04:02.29 | gravity | All that nifty Cairo stuff you may have read about? That's what'll replace Xprint |
| 04:02.34 | gravity | Or so we hope |
| 04:03.21 | shingouz | xstar: No legacy drivers, huh. Do you have alsa-base and alsautils there? |
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| 04:03.39 | nullvoid | hi all I am using IBM T22 - S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 13); I saw people are getting 1400x1050 but I only have 1024x768 even I had follow their instruction to change xorg.conf but the modification doesn't give effect. |
| 04:03.40 | xstar | shingouz, installed thro apt |
| 04:04.37 | Wyzard | nullvoid: If you have an xorg.conf, you're not running Debian |
| 04:04.40 | Spurty | gravity, hmm its really slow |
| 04:04.41 | shingouz | xstar: lsmod | grep snd and see if you have the intel 801 in there |
| 04:04.49 | Spurty | don't think its going to print from mozilla |
| 04:04.55 | Spurty | what else might I have to do ? |
| 04:05.06 | gravity | Spurty: Whoa. It's not printing at all from mozilla now? |
| 04:05.11 | gravity | That's... od |
| 04:05.13 | gravity | odd even |
| 04:05.16 | Spurty | it never printed from mozilla |
| 04:05.25 | Spurty | its just not pretending to print slower |
| 04:05.30 | gravity | heh, ok |
| 04:05.36 | Spurty | infact .. the 'preparing' box is still on the screen |
| 04:05.41 | xstar | shingouz, done that earlier on, no i801 |
| 04:05.48 | gravity | Spurty: Are you sure you're printing to the printer? |
| 04:05.52 | thom_ | All; I've installed 'sarge' on a Dell machine, which has onboard video. When the system boots I get a bunch of vertical lines and nothing else (when it comes time for the windows system to load) any ideas? |
| 04:06.24 | gravity | Spurty: Rather than a file |
| 04:06.35 | Spurty | yeah, printer |
| 04:06.42 | shingouz | xstar: That is odd. modprobe the intel driver in and see if it works. snd-i801 or so |
| 04:06.50 | Spurty | its got this wacky stuff in the printer properties |
| 04:06.52 | gravity | Spurty: Check the command it's using |
| 04:07.04 | Spurty | lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME} |
| 04:07.07 | gravity | Spurty: Do you have the lpr command on your machine? |
| 04:07.10 | Spurty | o.O |
| 04:07.12 | Spurty | umm |
| 04:07.12 | cheal | thom_: what's your video driver? |
| 04:07.26 | Spurty | lpr is already the newest version. |
| 04:07.29 | Spurty | yes its there |
| 04:07.32 | cheal | !drxx thom_ |
| 04:07.33 | gravity | Hrm |
| 04:07.34 | dpkg | thom_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 04:07.36 | xstar | shingouz, there's i2c_i801 |
| 04:07.46 | Spurty | hmm |
| 04:07.59 | Spurty | Hows about I try to expand that command and try it from the command line? |
| 04:08.02 | Spurty | good or bad idea? |
| 04:08.07 | shingouz | xstar: Nope, not that. All Alsa modules have the snd-something |
| 04:08.13 | gravity | Spurty: You can use lpr on a text file and see if it prints |
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| 04:08.44 | thom_ | dpkg What does that do? |
| 04:08.59 | gravity | thom_: dpkg is a bot |
| 04:09.00 | Spurty | atari:/home/ade# vi test.txt |
| 04:09.00 | Spurty | atari:/home/ade# lpr test.txt |
| 04:09.05 | Spurty | nothing happening |
| 04:09.12 | Spurty | how is lpr configured? |
| 04:09.13 | Blade | I have installed Debian now and want to put a GUI on. How Do I go about installed Gnome? |
| 04:09.18 | gravity | thom_: The command will let you reconfigure your X window system |
| 04:09.31 | gravity | Spurty: If you installed cupsys, then by using cups |
| 04:09.37 | Spurty | hmm |
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| 04:09.43 | nullvoid | Wyzard: I am not, even with xfree86 it doesn't |
| 04:10.00 | cheal | !tell Blade about install gnome |
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| 04:10.52 | gravity | Spurty: Do you have cupsys-bsd installed? |
| 04:11.00 | Spurty | checking |
| 04:11.13 | thom_ | gravity ok, cool thanks |
| 04:11.18 | gravity | That provides the lpr command on my system |
| 04:11.23 | gravity | thom_: No problem |
| 04:11.31 | Spurty | no gravity but installing it removes lpr. I'll try that |
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| 04:11.36 | thom_ | Trying to figure out what video card I have now (instead of the random one I picked before) |
| 04:11.45 | gravity | Spurty: Yeah. You may just not have lpr configured properly |
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| 04:12.00 | vily | hi |
| 04:12.05 | gravity | If magicfilter weren't dead, I'd say install that, but CUPS is TEH WAVE OF DA FUTURE |
| 04:12.11 | gravity | Can you sense my bitterness? |
| 04:12.13 | madclicker | later |
| 04:12.20 | cheal | thom_: shouldn't hurt to figure out which mobo you have :-P |
| 04:12.39 | xstar | shingouz, i801_snd module |
| 04:12.51 | xstar | i mean no such module |
| 04:13.24 | shingouz | xstar: Nope, not that either. I am beginnig to guess that the sound should be 810, not 810 |
| 04:13.39 | shingouz | xstar: Doing a google at the moment on the issue.. |
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| 04:14.29 | shingouz | xstar: snd-intel8x0 should be there somewhere on the filesystem. Try modprobing that |
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| 04:15.26 | xstar | no module |
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| 04:15.51 | shingouz | xstar: uname -a, what does it spit out? |
| 04:15.59 | xstar | shingouz, i did nodprobe snd-intel810 |
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| 04:16.28 | shingouz | xstar: That is not what I told you to do. I told you to modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 04:16.34 | xstar | shingouz, Linux 2.6.8... |
| 04:16.50 | xstar | tried both |
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| 04:16.57 | xstar | 810 and 8x0 |
| 04:17.02 | Spurty | gravity, I installed that cups-bsd thing, which removed lpr. The issue is that everything still works as before. No change. Well, mozilla now completely stalls if i try to print |
| 04:17.15 | shingouz | xstar: Custom kernel? |
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| 04:17.33 | xstar | shingouz, own built |
| 04:17.51 | gravity | Spurty: Hrm. You should try using something like gnome-cups-manager to configure CUPS |
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| 04:18.03 | gravity | Spurty: Or the KDE one. Or whatever. There's also a web interface thingy |
| 04:18.07 | shingouz | xstar: Ok, back to the drawing board and make yourself a kernel with the alsa modules and take care that you put the intel in there |
| 04:18.30 | Spurty | gravity, that is the gnome-cups-manager and its all set correctly there |
| 04:18.41 | Spurty | How is Mozilla finding this printer? |
| 04:18.43 | xstar | shingouz, i think that has to be settle first. thks. |
| 04:18.47 | xam | Spurty: apt-get install cupsys-bsd |
| 04:18.50 | Spurty | done |
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| 04:19.08 | Fare | hi! |
| 04:19.09 | Spurty | don't understand why mozilla is clueless |
| 04:19.14 | Fare | where can I get a primer on having wireless work on debian? |
| 04:19.26 | gravity | Spurty: Mozilla just pipes a file and tells lpr to print it |
| 04:19.31 | xam | Spurty: do you have installed xprint as well? |
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| 04:19.42 | eob84 | HI |
| 04:19.43 | Spurty | well, lpr was removed by installing cupsys-bsd |
| 04:19.46 | eob84 | ihave a quick question |
| 04:19.51 | gravity | Spurty: You have an lpr command now |
| 04:19.55 | Spurty | so yes |
| 04:20.00 | gravity | Spurty: cupsys-bsd supplies one for compatibility's sake |
| 04:20.00 | Spurty | strangely |
| 04:20.04 | eob84 | is there a version of debian that does not have outdated packages? |
| 04:20.04 | Spurty | ah |
| 04:20.20 | gravity | Spurty: Welcome to the world of conflicting printer systems. This is the stuff of ancient vs new UNIX |
| 04:20.21 | Xenguy | Is anyone reading this familiar at all with 'restructured text' ? |
| 04:20.24 | Spurty | lol |
| 04:20.29 | doub | eob84: are there non-outdated eggs somewhere in the universe? |
| 04:20.30 | shingouz | eob84: None has if you keep them up to date with apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 04:20.40 | gravity | eob84: Run unstable + experimental. Have fun when stuff breaks. |
| 04:20.47 | Spurty | gravity, its so bizzare that everything i've tried works, save for Firefox and mozilla |
| 04:20.49 | eob84 | well I mean |
| 04:21.07 | gravity | Spurty: Yeah, usually that's a problem with xprint. Are you sure xprint and xprt-xprintorg are both gone? |
| 04:21.12 | Fare | can I have lprng and cups work hand in hand? |
| 04:21.16 | eob84 | I used apt-get and got openoffice 1.1.3 |
| 04:21.19 | gravity | Fare: I don't think so |
| 04:21.24 | eob84 | when the newest is 1.1.4 |
| 04:21.36 | Fare | my office broadcasts cups configuration |
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| 04:21.54 | gravity | eob84: 1.1.4 is in experimental |
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| 04:22.05 | eob84 | ?? |
| 04:22.07 | Fare | what about wireless on debian? is there a HOWTO? |
| 04:22.08 | Spurty | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 04:22.08 | Spurty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:22.13 | Spurty | I guess it went |
| 04:22.23 | doub | eob84: is your life any worse as a consequence? |
| 04:22.25 | shingouz | eob84: What version of Debian you have there |
| 04:22.39 | eob84 | sarge |
| 04:22.43 | gravity | eob84: So, yes. But they're developmental packages, and are thus not deemed stable enough for general release by the maintainers. |
| 04:22.53 | gravity | eob84: So if you want to use them, go for it, but do so at your own risk |
| 04:22.56 | eob84 | 1.1.4 is the stable version |
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| 04:23.05 | shingouz | eob84: Do you need the additional blingbling of the newer version? |
| 04:23.06 | gravity | eob84: The packaging is not stable |
| 04:23.06 | karsten | gravity: When's x.org coming out? |
| 04:23.10 | gravity | karsten: Die |
| 04:23.26 | karsten | gravity: I have two. Dice? |
| 04:23.40 | eob84 | the spelling correction in 1.1.3 won't work |
| 04:23.43 | gravity | I could use a good round of craps |
| 04:24.32 | eob84 | you guys are touchy |
| 04:24.33 | shingouz | eob84: You can always use pinning and get it from another version of Debian but that is usually not too much fun as it very well may break the system |
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| 04:24.59 | eob84 | shingouz, I found that out the hard way |
| 04:25.04 | mwilson | eob84: Most people here couldn't care less about version churn for the sake of version churn. |
| 04:25.16 | doub | shingouz: but you keep both pieces, anyway |
| 04:25.22 | doub | shingouz: so it's not really a problem |
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| 04:25.41 | shingouz | doub: That is why I do not use pinning, I run straight Sid |
| 04:25.52 | eob84 | mwilson, maybe so... but when 'stable' versions don't work... Someone might want to upgrade? |
| 04:25.53 | shingouz | eob84: Sid is not recommended, btw |
| 04:26.01 | Quag7 | Yeah man version churn is for posers. Debian kind of lost it when Bon Scott bit the dust. |
| 04:26.10 | eob84 | shingouz, what version do I use then? |
| 04:26.10 | Blade | Cheal: when I try to do the last one apt-get install Gnome it says Couldnt find package gnome |
| 04:26.22 | colera | if i am going to install debian which iso do i need |
| 04:26.25 | mwilson | No, you don't want universal. |
| 04:26.27 | shingouz | eob84: Stick with Sarge for the time being |
| 04:26.28 | IDC | I have a strange problem please |
| 04:26.33 | mwilson | ack |
| 04:26.33 | colera | is it binary1? |
| 04:26.35 | cheal | Blade: which release? |
| 04:26.39 | colera | the current one |
| 04:26.42 | dondelelcaro | Quag7: ? |
| 04:26.46 | eob84 | shingouz, well what doesn openoffice need for spell check then? |
| 04:26.52 | Blade | cheal: newest I guesss |
| 04:26.53 | Wyzard | mwilson: Giving someone advice on Ubuntu? :-P |
| 04:26.54 | Quag7 | dondelelcaro, I'm completely addled, ignore me. |
| 04:26.55 | gravity | eob84: The problem is that Debian is trying very hard to release, so we've frozen things. New upstream versions aren't allowed in except for major reasons. |
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| 04:27.25 | mwilson | Wyzard: Where were *you* when I wanted you!? |
| 04:27.25 | dondelelcaro | eob84: install myspell-dictionary; as the Suggests: recommend. |
| 04:27.31 | IDC | i want www.123.com/123/1.cert ---> can be downloaded |
| 04:27.34 | eob84 | is that...? |
| 04:27.36 | cheal | Blade: there could be many newest versions of Debian. do you have woody or sarge? |
| 04:27.38 | eob84 | I never have before |
| 04:27.40 | IDC | i tried ..but i cannot get it work ,any idea ? |
| 04:27.43 | shingouz | eob84: I do not know, I do not use OpenOffice, it is too bloated for the ancient computers I have here. Besides the spellchecker also depends on what language you use on the system |
| 04:27.50 | Wyzard | mwilson: I didn't know you'd been looking for me... |
| 04:27.59 | gravity | eob84: So if we want to release sarge, which is well overdue, we have to do things like keep new versions of huge packages like openoffice out until release |
| 04:28.10 | mwilson | Well, you should have! :) |
| 04:28.14 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:28.16 | Blade | woody |
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| 04:28.36 | eob84 | gravity, that is fine... this works the best out of any distro I've used |
| 04:28.37 | Spurty | meh, g'night, thanks so far .. I have something to look into now |
| 04:28.46 | eob84 | gravity, I was just asking |
| 04:28.58 | eob84 | gravity, wasn't sure what I had here |
| 04:29.08 | mwilson | Wyzard: 's OK, I figured out it was still crap on my own. |
| 04:29.08 | gravity | eob84: It may be that the package in experimental is in fine shape for release, it's just that they maintainers are keeping it out to not hold up the release |
| 04:29.23 | gravity | eob84: They have a mailing list, so you may just want to check the archives or ask them about it |
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| 04:30.25 | eob84 | gravity, what is your opinion of ubuntu... seems like they riped of debian |
| 04:30.39 | Fare | you mean debian wasn't ripe enough? |
| 04:30.40 | Wyzard | eob84: Well, Ubuntu *is* based on Debian |
| 04:30.51 | gravity | eob84: I like ubuntu. I don't use it, but I'm friends with some of the people who work on it and I think they're contributing some important stuff |
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| 04:30.59 | tyranix | hmmm re: xprint. If I remove xprint, then it wants to remove x-window-system virtual task (or whatever its called). |
| 04:31.03 | cheal | !tell Blade about msg |
| 04:31.07 | Wyzard | mwilson: It seemed nice when I tried it, but not better enough to be worth ditching my sid install which is already tuned to my liking |
| 04:31.13 | cheal | !d-i Blade |
| 04:31.14 | dpkg | Blade, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:31.17 | gravity | eob84: I hope that more people come back to Debian after sarge releases though. It'll be nice to not simply be called a distro that's good for making other distros. |
| 04:31.21 | bucky | Wyzard, mandrake is based on redhat |
| 04:31.41 | dondelelcaro | bucky: they've pretty much totally diverged |
| 04:31.42 | gravity | tyranix: That's fine. That's a metapackage to pull in other packages. So long as you keep the other stuff around you're fine |
| 04:31.44 | Fare | Wyzard: used to be based on it |
| 04:31.57 | Wyzard | bucky: I've used Mandrake for a total of about 15 minutes in my life, so I don't quite see what point you're making... is it very different? |
| 04:32.02 | mwilson | Wyzard: Huh? When you tried what? |
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| 04:32.10 | cheal | Blade: if you're using Debian for first time on your desktop, you almost certainly want to reinstall sarge (testing) instead of woody (stable) |
| 04:32.10 | guestish | hi |
| 04:32.14 | eob84 | gravity, I used it for a bit... I do like it as well |
| 04:32.14 | tyranix | What about the upgrade to x.org after sarge releases? |
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| 04:32.24 | guestish | any ideas for installing debian on an nforce4 board? |
| 04:32.31 | Wyzard | mwilson: Tried Ubuntu... I figured that's what you were referring to, based on your comment about universal |
| 04:32.32 | guestish | =\ |
| 04:32.40 | gravity | eob84: It basically is Debian Sarge, with X.org and a few decisions made for you initially |
| 04:32.41 | eob84 | gravity, but the packages are so bleeding edge it is more often then never incompatible |
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| 04:32.49 | guestish | seems too new =( |
| 04:32.59 | tyranix | keeping x-window-system metapackage seemed like an easy upgrade route to x.org |
| 04:33.14 | mwilson | Wyzard: I didn't make any comment about Ubuntu. |
| 04:33.17 | eob84 | gravity, though I do look forward to breezy |
| 04:33.21 | gravity | tyranix: Shouldn't matter |
| 04:33.25 | doub | tyranix: you can reinstall it anytime |
| 04:33.31 | gravity | tyranix: Most of the X.org packages have the exact same names as the xfree ones |
| 04:33.39 | mwilson | Wyzard: The "universal" comment was about OS X universal keyboard access and was meant for #macosx |
| 04:33.46 | tyranix | Okay, thanks |
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| 04:34.07 | guestish | no ideas? |
| 04:34.14 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 04:34.15 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of three-legged hamsters. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 04:34.18 | Wyzard | mwilson: No, but you made a comment about someone not needing universal, which I guessed was referring to Ubuntu's "universal" apt source, and then you said "I figured out it was still crap on my own" and I assumed you were criticizing Ubuntu... sorry about that :-) |
| 04:34.19 | shingouz | guestish: What is the problem |
| 04:34.35 | guestish | shingouz: well i havent tried yet, but there appears to be no driver support |
| 04:34.41 | guestish | probably should try first, heh |
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| 04:34.51 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, I figured out that kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 was crap on my own. |
| 04:34.55 | guestish | just wanted to make sure there wasnt anything i was forgetting |
| 04:34.55 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:35.03 | myren | damn, i need some fonts stat |
| 04:35.04 | doub | guestish: driver for what? |
| 04:35.05 | shingouz | guestish: Try it first, maybe it works nicely. Google is your friend too ;) |
| 04:35.19 | guestish | doub: well the RAID controller is what im worried about the most |
| 04:35.25 | mwilson | Oh, gods... not again. |
| 04:35.44 | shingouz | mwilson: You do not like software RAID I think ;) |
| 04:35.45 | tyranix | mwilson: Hmm that's what I'm using. Why do you say that? Are the kernel images the same as before that guy left over the taiwanese flag? |
| 04:35.50 | guestish | its hardware raid... |
| 04:35.57 | guestish | software raid 5, but im doing raid 0 |
| 04:36.35 | Wyzard | guestish: Most "hardware RAID" controllers that only support modes 0 and 1 aren't actually hardware RAID |
| 04:36.46 | shingouz | guestish: Ok. Try it, maybe it works. You already have the install media so it doesnt hurt too badly hitting the box with an attempt |
| 04:36.47 | guestish | Wyzard: how can you tell if it is or not? |
| 04:36.53 | doub | guestish: look at what lspci and lspci -n say about your RAID controller, look in the pcimap, in the module dir for your kernel if you find some module matching the PCI id |
| 04:36.58 | doub | guestish: if so, it should be ok |
| 04:37.06 | doub | guestish: but also much simpler to try it |
| 04:37.10 | Wyzard | guestish: There's no direct way afaik, just research |
| 04:37.14 | guestish | SiliconImage SATA Link |
| 04:37.25 | shingouz | sata. /me hides |
| 04:37.31 | guestish | ? |
| 04:37.50 | doub | well, good night everybody, anyway |
| 04:37.58 | Wyzard | guestish: Most RAID controllers found on consumer motherboards actually use software RAID implemented in the driver, with some hardware assistance for some of the calculations |
| 04:38.12 | guestish | its a server mobo |
| 04:38.18 | thom_ | gravity, what was that command again? dpkg.. ? |
| 04:38.24 | guestish | ASUS K8N-DL |
| 04:38.25 | gravity | thom_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:38.40 | guestish | well...more workstation then server |
| 04:38.49 | thom_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ok thanks |
| 04:38.50 | Wyzard | guestish: What's the model of the RAID card? |
| 04:39.04 | guestish | Wyzard: its not a card, its integrated into the mobo |
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| 04:39.39 | Wyzard | guestish: It's still a PCI device with a model number... the motherboard manufacturer didn't design their own RAID implementation from scratch |
| 04:39.51 | guestish | Silicon Image 3114 SATA RAID |
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| 04:41.38 | Wyzard | guestish: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html#sii |
| 04:42.12 | Wyzard | guestish: btw, a Google search for the string "Silicon Image 3114 SATA RAID" yields a tutorial... http://unclean.org/howto/sii3114_linux.html |
| 04:42.13 | guestish | "software raid provided by the bios on the card"? |
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| 04:42.53 | Wyzard | guestish: though that tutorial would have you set up Linux software RAID rather than using the card's own "RAID" -- that says something :-) |
| 04:43.06 | guestish | bah |
| 04:43.12 | guestish | what a waste of a perfectly good raid controller |
| 04:43.21 | guestish | i guess ill just use them as extra sata slots =P |
| 04:44.00 | Wyzard | guestish: Just use software RAID... unless you use your disks really heavily, you probably won't notice much difference anyway |
| 04:44.07 | mulder_ | i'm using a stock 2.6 kernel. how do i make it load a kernel module with forced parameters before anything else. i want to load the aha152x module before the via82cxxx and eth0 modules so that it can get irq 11 first |
| 04:44.19 | Wyzard | guestish: btw, "real" hardware RAID cards tend to be made by companies like Adaptec and 3ware |
| 04:44.21 | guestish | yeah, i know, but i still prefer hardware raid, mainly cause ill be switching from windows to linux and visa versa |
| 04:44.38 | Bac9 | mulder_: /etc/modules <- put it there |
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| 04:45.13 | mulder_ | Bac9: alright i'll try that thanks. i can specify the parameter right after naming the module right? |
| 04:45.28 | guestish | Wyzard: there was always a chance it was a real hardware raid :) |
| 04:45.31 | Bac9 | mulder_: no the parameters are taken from the usual place |
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| 04:46.23 | mulder_ | Bac9: also the via and eth0 modules dont seem to be in my /etc/modules.. i'm guessing possibly debian's initrd.img loads it first? |
| 04:46.40 | guestish | too expensive to impliment a hardware raid i suppose |
| 04:46.44 | Bac9 | mulder_: or hardware auto-detector loads it later |
| 04:46.59 | Wyzard | guestish: Yep... most users would never know the difference, so they don't bother |
| 04:47.11 | mulder_ | hmmm ok *crosses fingers* |
| 04:47.12 | Wyzard | guestish: It's the same reason winmodems and GDI printers are so common |
| 04:47.14 | cplx | how do I get mrtg to graph a nic's traffic? |
| 04:47.20 | guestish | Wyzard: yeah...sucks for me |
| 04:47.59 | guestish | Wyzard: well at least its a decent motherboard :) |
| 04:48.26 | guestish | though im starting to wish igot the K8WE, theres hardly any expansion slots on this one |
| 04:48.42 | gravity | ctrlER: Mepis? |
| 04:48.43 | Wyzard | guestish: Is that an Asus? |
| 04:48.47 | Bac9 | Wyzard: do the asus motherboard have hardware or software raid? their amd sli mobos suposedly have 2 raid controllers |
| 04:48.48 | guestish | Wyzard: yeah |
| 04:49.00 | ctrlER | gravity, nop, just installed debian |
| 04:49.06 | ctrlER | but mepis worked |
| 04:49.09 | guestish | Bac9: software...i have their K8N-DL which is the dual opteron version of the sli board |
| 04:49.14 | ctrlER | mepis to debian that ist |
| 04:49.16 | ctrlER | mepis to debian that is |
| 04:49.17 | Wyzard | Bac9: Considering that guestish is using and Asus and has not-really-hardware RAID, I'd say they don't have hardware RAID :-) |
| 04:49.20 | suzzi | hummm doenst seem like any one is on #exim .... so any one know how I would set things up so that any local user can email out as any email address? ie user@localhost can relay as though they were user@yahoo? |
| 04:49.31 | Bac9 | guestish: for both chips? or just for one? |
| 04:49.31 | gravity | ctrlER: Awesome! I'm glad Debian worked this time |
| 04:49.37 | Wyzard | Bac9: The only motherboard I've ever seen with hardware RAID built-in was a Supermicro server motherboard |
| 04:49.37 | guestish | Bac9: only 1 chip on mine |
| 04:49.42 | ctrlER | but i formated and installed debian from rc3 installer |
| 04:49.53 | guestish | Wyzard: its a friggin server motherboard, just asus is cheap =P |
| 04:50.08 | ctrlER | still the hardware detection didnt detect my wireless card intel 2100 |
| 04:50.36 | Bac9 | guestish: maybe were taking about different mobos, one of their 939 mobos has 8 sata connectors, 4 per cip |
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| 04:50.55 | guestish | Bac9: you are talking about a different motherboard, but most likely its the same chip |
| 04:50.56 | Wyzard | guestish: I guess I should say *high-end* server board... this Supermicro board also had dual built-in gigabit Ethernet, some 66MHz and 100MHz PCI-X slots, and a 133MHz 64-bit (full-length) PCI-X slot |
| 04:51.05 | cplx | can anyone assist me on how do I get mrtg to graph a nic's traffic? |
| 04:51.07 | guestish | Wyzard: wow, nice |
| 04:51.09 | Wyzard | guestish: It also had dual Xeon sockets |
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| 04:51.13 | guestish | Wyzard: sounds like the K8WE |
| 04:51.22 | guestish | Wyzard: the motherboards are huge though, and expensive |
| 04:51.24 | Bac9 | guestish: supose, they never mentioned in their specs it was softwair raid though |
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| 04:51.31 | guestish | Bac9: course not :) |
| 04:51.43 | Wyzard | guestish: I wouldn't really consider anything Asus makes to be a true server board |
| 04:51.50 | guestish | Wyzard: yeah... |
| 04:51.59 | guestish | Wyzard: i wanted a fan to fit and this was the only one that would |
| 04:52.08 | mwilson | Wyzard: Or even worth using. |
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| 04:52.27 | Bac9 | guestish: anoying, kinda like hdd manufacturers reporting more space on their drives then there really is by redefining size to suit their liking |
| 04:52.44 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, I have an Asus A7V and it's served me well for 5 years... I just don't call it a server :-) |
| 04:52.55 | guestish | Wyzard: heh |
| 04:53.01 | guestish | Wyzard: "high end consumer"? ;) |
| 04:53.02 | Wyzard | Bac9: Strictly speaking, the hard drive manufacturers' definition is the correct one |
| 04:53.13 | Bac9 | mwilson: what mobo manufacturer do you prefer? I heard asus/abit are the two leading ones |
| 04:53.21 | guestish | Tyan is pretty good |
| 04:53.25 | guestish | supposedly |
| 04:53.33 | Wyzard | guestish: Pretty much... for my new system I'm hoping to get a PCI-E SATA hardware RAID card and build a terabyte array |
| 04:53.43 | guestish | Wyzard: cool |
| 04:53.48 | Bac9 | Wyzard: how is defining a kilobyte as 1000 bytes correct? |
| 04:54.07 | Wyzard | guestish: (The controller and drives will probably total half the cost of the computer, though, so it's not a sure thing) |
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| 04:54.17 | Wyzard | Bac9: A kilogram is 1000 grams, a kilometer is 1000 meters, etc. |
| 04:54.19 | jyao219 | 1024 bytes=one kilobyte |
| 04:54.28 | guestish | Wyzard: get the CMStacker, its a massive case |
| 04:54.36 | guestish | Wyzard: 11 5.25" slots |
| 04:54.50 | guestish | holds 12 hard drives |
| 04:54.51 | Wyzard | Bac9: "kibibyte" is the proper term for 1024 bytes, though it's a dumb name since it sounds like a brand of dog food |
| 04:55.10 | Wyzard | guestish: Nice... though I was thinking more along the lines of five 250GB drives |
| 04:55.15 | Bac9 | Wyzard: do you know the difference between a regular person and a programmer? an average person says there are 1000 bytes in a kilobyte and a programmer says there are 1024 grams in a kilogram |
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| 04:55.21 | guestish | Wyzard: more space never hurts :) |
| 04:55.23 | Wyzard | Bac9: hehe |
| 04:55.33 | myren | i want a nice raid 5 sata controller veyr badly |
| 04:55.45 | Bac9 | Wyzard: where did they get "kibi" from? |
| 04:55.48 | myren | tekram has a knock off of one of the better ones, quite nice |
| 04:55.56 | guestish | im happy w/ my choice |
| 04:56.01 | guestish | though i still need another processor... |
| 04:56.04 | guestish | heh |
| 04:56.16 | Wyzard | guestish: Well, my current 400GB volume group has 160GB not even allocated yet... I think a terabyte should be sufficient for a few years |
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| 04:56.30 | guestish | Wyzard: not bad |
| 04:56.36 | Wyzard | Bac9: "bi" for "binary", I think... there's also "mebibyte" and "gibibyte", etc. |
| 04:56.47 | Wyzard | Bac9: abbreviated "kiB", "MiB", "GiB" |
| 04:56.47 | guestish | Wyzard: i only have 320 gigs, but thats plenty for me |
| 04:56.58 | guestish | i can always add more |
| 04:57.04 | guestish | 8 sata connectors o-O |
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| 04:57.11 | Bac9 | Wyzard: oh, I was wondering what those three letter abreviations stood for |
| 04:57.16 | Wyzard | guestish: I can't add more... two CD-ROM drives and five hard drives, no room left in the case :-) |
| 04:57.19 | Spurty | g'night for real now |
| 04:57.32 | guestish | Wyzard: bigger case! :) |
| 04:57.53 | Wyzard | guestish: Nah, I like my computer to be at least reasonably portable... and 400GB is enough for now |
| 04:57.56 | Bac9 | Wyzard: get an expansion sata card :-) |
| 04:57.57 | guestish | heh |
| 04:58.02 | myren | i have 500 gb and no space left. |
| 04:58.16 | guestish | yeah...the CMStacker does have wheels...which says volumes about its portability =D |
| 04:58.27 | Wyzard | guestish: (The 400GB is just for file storage... the Debian and Windows installations are on separate 20GB drives) |
| 04:58.57 | myren | how bad of a practice is it to put your os on a 5 disk raid-5? |
| 04:59.03 | myren | (hardware raid 5) |
| 04:59.10 | mwilson | Wyzard: Too bad you're not near me, I have a case you could have. |
| 04:59.21 | Wyzard | Bac9: I'm already using three ATA controllers... the built-in plain one, the Promise ATA100 that's also built into the motherboard, and *another* Promise ATA100 installed in a slot |
| 04:59.58 | mwilson | Wyzard: 6 internal 3.5 bays, 5 5.25 bays. |
| 05:00.06 | Wyzard | myren: Seems fine to me... with software RAID it's a little tricky because you have to arrange for the driver to be loaded by an initrd, but with (true) hardware RAID, it should work just fine |
| 05:00.07 | zophyx | how do i convert my system from testing to unstable ? |
| 05:00.11 | Bac9 | Wyzard: oh still using pide?... well another one would not hurt, pleanty of letters in the alphabet |
| 05:00.12 | Wyzard | mwilson: nice |
| 05:00.17 | zophyx | and do i want ot do this ? |
| 05:00.22 | guestish | mwilson: what case is this? |
| 05:00.23 | mwilson | Wyzard: I'm going to throw it out. |
| 05:00.36 | o-o | guestish: hmm? |
| 05:00.40 | Wyzard | Bac9: I'm not upgrading this computer anymore... it's five years old (800MHz Thunderbird) and not worth it |
| 05:00.44 | guestish | o-o: who are you? |
| 05:00.51 | shingouz | zophyx: No you do not if you have to ask. If you do you get to keep the pieces |
| 05:00.53 | Wyzard | Bac9: Once I get around to doing the research, I'll build a new one |
| 05:00.53 | mwilson | guestish: InWin something... I forget the number. The maxi-tower version of the InWin 500. |
| 05:01.02 | Wyzard | mwilson: Why? |
| 05:01.04 | o-o | guestish: oh... you do not know me.??? |
| 05:01.10 | Bac9 | Wyzard: if you have the money then good luck |
| 05:01.10 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why what? |
| 05:01.11 | guestish | o-o: nope |
| 05:01.11 | myren | wow, small fonts just do not work in bold |
| 05:01.21 | Wyzard | mwilson: Why are you throwing out a perfectly good case? |
| 05:01.32 | myren | i've tried everything from 30 dpi font size 16 to my actual 133 dpi font size 4 & 5 |
| 05:01.32 | mwilson | Wyzard: Because it's too big now. |
| 05:01.58 | Wyzard | mwilson: Give it to guestish; he seems to like big cases ;-P |
| 05:02.02 | zophyx | shingouz: i really love sarge, i may never upgrade |
| 05:02.05 | mwilson | Hell, it was too big when I bought it, but at the time I needed a case that could sit on the floor |
| 05:02.10 | Wyzard | ah |
| 05:02.17 | o-o | guestish: but you just conjured me up...? So how can I be of service? |
| 05:02.25 | mwilson | I ran lots of HD's in it, now I have a box that hides in the closet and runs lots of HD's |
| 05:02.27 | guestish | mwilson: so basically your old fashioned stark white case |
| 05:02.29 | shingouz | zophyx: You will eventually but do not do it now |
| 05:02.33 | guestish | nice |
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| 05:02.36 | guestish | Wyzard: =D |
| 05:02.44 | guestish | Wyzard: hey, its still smaller than a full tower |
| 05:02.49 | mwilson | I transplanted my machine into a server case I bought this weekend at the swap meet for $15. |
| 05:02.53 | guestish | o-o: ill take 2 fries to go |
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| 05:03.01 | guestish | o-o: with extra salt |
| 05:03.18 | guestish | ;) |
| 05:03.24 | o-o | guestish: ok thats two wishes.... |
| 05:03.27 | myren | man, you could totally eat a gbit pipe with a modern file server..... |
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| 05:03.39 | mwilson | Only have four HD's and two opticals and a Zip, now. |
| 05:03.39 | guestish | o-o: ok ok, just the fries then |
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| 05:04.33 | guestish | o-o: and...lets see...an Opteron 252 server motherboard |
| 05:04.36 | Wyzard | mwilson: hehe... I don't want a taller case, but with all the bays full of hard drives, my floppy drive is mounted on the inside bottom of the case, stuck down with a loop of duct tape |
| 05:04.39 | guestish | o-o: er, not motherboard, processor |
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| 05:05.04 | guestish | that InWin is more massive than my case... |
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| 05:05.16 | mwilson | guestish: Oh, found it on the web site? |
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| 05:05.19 | guestish | yeah |
| 05:05.28 | guestish | monsterous |
| 05:05.39 | mwilson | You can have it, if you want it. Has a 300w PS in it. |
| 05:05.45 | guestish | im happy w/ what i got |
| 05:05.45 | mwilson | I kept the 450. :) |
| 05:05.48 | guestish | heh |
| 05:06.08 | guestish | http://www.able.across.or.jp/parts/partphoto/cmstacker.jpg |
| 05:06.22 | Wyzard | wow |
| 05:06.24 | guestish | surprisingly its more compact |
| 05:06.39 | guestish | than the InWin |
| 05:06.43 | Wyzard | That's one of the 2-foot-deep ones with the drive bays in front |
| 05:07.01 | guestish | 2 feet deep? |
| 05:07.01 | Wyzard | The case where I installed that Supermicro board (which was also a Supermicro case, unsurprisingly) was like that |
| 05:07.07 | ctrlER | can i remove inetd in a laptop? |
| 05:07.12 | guestish | not really 2 feet deep |
| 05:07.17 | guestish | maybe 10 inches |
| 05:07.19 | Wyzard | 2 feet from front to back |
| 05:07.23 | guestish | oh |
| 05:07.23 | Wyzard | I measured |
| 05:07.28 | guestish | yeah, its one of those |
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| 05:07.40 | guestish | E-ATX/BTX form factor |
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| 05:07.58 | shingouz | About the size of my Server 520 maybe a bit smaller |
| 05:08.01 | guestish | right now im using the extra space for their proprietary fan |
| 05:08.38 | kullanici | can you kick adidas nickname please.. it make spam advertisement |
| 05:08.38 | guestish | saves energy and cuts down on noise |
| 05:08.38 | shingouz | ...nice box though... |
| 05:08.47 | Wyzard | kullanici: Like this... |
| 05:08.53 | guestish | Server 520? |
| 05:08.53 | Wyzard | !ops adidas on-join spam |
| 05:08.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: adidas on-join spam |
| 05:09.10 | shingouz | guestish: IBM PCServer 520 pci/mca |
| 05:09.51 | guestish | wow |
| 05:09.53 | guestish | shiny |
| 05:10.06 | guestish | hows the circulation? |
| 05:10.18 | Wyzard | hmm, I should probably go to bed |
| 05:10.37 | ctrlER | can i remove inetd in a laptop? (sorry for asking again) |
| 05:10.55 | mwilson | ctrlER: What makes you think you need to? |
| 05:11.07 | guestish | Wyzard: na, caffeine is your friend :) |
| 05:11.10 | shingouz | A decent desktop and the circulation is good enough, there are four eight-inchers between the array enclosure and the actual computer. Makes a windtunnel out of the box |
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| 05:11.24 | guestish | o_O |
| 05:11.39 | guestish | wow |
| 05:11.43 | shingouz | guestish: Maybe a bit slow though, just dual P1-133 |
| 05:11.47 | Wyzard | guestish: Work in the morning is not... |
| 05:11.47 | guestish | heh |
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| 05:11.57 | guestish | Wyzard: hum.. |
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| 05:12.15 | guestish | cant argue with that |
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| 05:12.33 | xstar | shingouz, thks, i have got alsa working, been watching a vcd with sound. |
| 05:12.34 | guestish | shingouz: erm...just kinda |
| 05:12.44 | shingouz | xstar: Good |
| 05:13.01 | ctrlER | mwilson, i dont like being just with openbox and x and having 170mb of ram used |
| 05:13.17 | ctrlER | think there are lot of stuff there i dont need/use |
| 05:13.51 | ctrlER | and since inetd has something to do with internet superserver or something... |
| 05:13.51 | xstar | shingouz, the vol is still low when i set it to max in kaffeine. alsoconf mentioned about setting vol with mixer. i don't know what mixer i have. how to find out? |
| 05:13.51 | Rima | quick question people, have an application installed via apt - initially asked questions re configuration, tried editting files made a mess.. how do I install the package again so it asks me those initial config questions? |
| 05:13.51 | shingouz | guestish: What you mean with that? Slow? Yes if I try to run OpenOffice on it. Browsing and email is way good. Plus I have hotplug hardware raid on it and redundant power ;) |
| 05:13.51 | ctrlER | (maybe wrong here...) |
| 05:13.52 | Gnea | heh |
| 05:14.02 | shingouz | xstar: alsamixer is there at least |
| 05:14.03 | Gnea | shingouz: the video card just needed a new fan |
| 05:14.10 | shingouz | Gnea: wtg :) |
| 05:14.13 | guestish | shingouz: gah. with that setup upgrade :) |
| 05:14.21 | xstar | do i just run alsamixer as a command? |
| 05:14.32 | shingouz | guestish: But that one is mca! |
| 05:14.35 | shingouz | xstar: Yes |
| 05:14.38 | Wyzard | ctrlER: inetd is pretty small... and "free memory" isn't quite as straightforward as you might think |
| 05:14.43 | guestish | shingouz: PCI-E is the future :) |
| 05:14.53 | ctrlER | :) |
| 05:14.57 | Gnea | shingouz: i guess it got used to having one installed (it didn't have one on the heatsink when i got it) |
| 05:15.00 | xstar | ok, one last q. is there a kde interface for alsa? |
| 05:15.07 | Wyzard | ctrlER: Unless you have no swap space, you won't gain anything by disabling inetd |
| 05:15.18 | shingouz | guestish: But mca is so nice. I do have a bunch of PS/2's here, neat toys. |
| 05:15.27 | guestish | shingouz: do they even make cards for mca? |
| 05:15.38 | Gnea | ahhahahahahha mca |
| 05:15.44 | shingouz | Gnea: Maybe that or the computer has gotten a bit hotter in the past few years |
| 05:15.47 | Gnea | now that is legacy |
| 05:15.47 | Wyzard | MCA-E ! |
| 05:15.49 | ctrlER | one other thing, what about the kacpid, i dont have kde installed, isnt it suposed to be just acpid? |
| 05:15.52 | shingouz | guestish: Nope, not anymore |
| 05:15.53 | guestish | lol |
| 05:16.14 | Gnea | shingouz: it's possible, there's a monster fan that just bit it as well |
| 05:16.17 | shingouz | Gnea: The one I am on right now is a 320 pci/eisa... |
| 05:16.19 | guestish | shingouz: my sun i got for 50 bucks off of ebay is faster than that, heh |
| 05:16.27 | Wyzard | ctrlER: The 'k' in that case is short for "kernel", not "KDE"... it's part of the kernel |
| 05:16.30 | shingouz | guestish: Possibly |
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| 05:16.43 | ctrlER | oh |
| 05:16.45 | Gnea | i finally got my sun to boot sarge |
| 05:16.45 | ctrlER | thanks |
| 05:16.51 | ctrlER | feel stupid :) |
| 05:16.54 | guestish | shingouz: but i suppose if its lasted this long its a high quality machine |
| 05:16.57 | xam | gnea what kind of sun? |
| 05:17.00 | Gnea | but the installer has a hosed initial ramdisk |
| 05:17.07 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:17.12 | furrywolf | that explains where the memory is |
| 05:17.18 | shingouz | guestish: Yup, these old IBM servers are almost bulletproof |
| 05:17.19 | Gnea | xam: sparcstation5, fujitsu cpu |
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| 05:17.44 | xstar | shingouz, ok, one last q. is there a kde interface for alsa? |
| 05:17.54 | Gnea | xam: 2.2 booted fine, 2.4 took one look at it and farted in its face, 2.6 boots great |
| 05:17.54 | shingouz | xstar: I do not know |
| 05:17.58 | Wyzard | ctrlER: Processes whose names are shown in [brackets] by ps are kernel processes |
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| 05:18.10 | guestish | shingouz: now only if it was aluminium...;) |
| 05:18.21 | shingouz | xstar: hmmm.. alsamixergui I think exists at least |
| 05:18.25 | whistlers | im having trouble with grub |
| 05:18.31 | xam | gnea: I have a ss-lx here, and a couple of ss-10 dual hypersparc |
| 05:18.31 | shingouz | guestish: The Sparc? heh |
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| 05:18.39 | whistlers | a menu.lst file was not made, so i made my own |
| 05:18.43 | whistlers | and it boots fine, once |
| 05:18.48 | whistlers | then i get an error |
| 05:18.50 | ctrlER | i was using top... dont know the correct use of ps |
| 05:18.50 | guestish | shingouz: =D |
| 05:18.51 | ctrlER | := |
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| 05:18.53 | ctrlER | :) |
| 05:18.57 | guestish | shingouz: plastic is just so...old |
| 05:19.05 | xstar | shingouz, alsamixer is too complicated, i am only using a stereo headphone. |
| 05:19.09 | whistlers | any ideas? |
| 05:19.19 | shingouz | guestish: Plastic? What plastic? These IBM's are made of steel |
| 05:19.24 | Gnea | xam: i've been trying to get sarge up on this beast for awhile... now i got it installed and it won't even boot off the disk right |
| 05:19.33 | Wyzard | whistlers: Hard to guess at what the problem might be if you don't tell us what the error message says |
| 05:19.43 | shingouz | xstar: Just apt-cache search for some decent mixer, there are a bunch of them |
| 05:19.44 | whistlers | error 15 |
| 05:19.45 | whistlers | is all |
| 05:19.47 | whistlers | grub failed |
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| 05:19.51 | guestish | shingouz: no kiddin? |
| 05:19.56 | Gnea | hrm |
| 05:19.59 | shingouz | guestish: Steel. |
| 05:20.05 | xstar | bye |
| 05:20.12 | guestish | must be heavy beasts |
| 05:20.26 | Wyzard | whistlers: Google search for "grub error 15" yields a bunch of results... it seems to be a "file not found" error |
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| 05:20.33 | xam | shingouz: my alpha is mostly plastic |
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| 05:21.07 | shingouz | guestish: They are, the 520 really should have wheels on it if it is loaded. 18 internal hd's plus three opticals/tapes, triple powers |
| 05:21.36 | suzzi | any one really handy with exim? |
| 05:21.42 | guestish | 18?!?! |
| 05:21.47 | xam | shingouz: what is your monthly electricity bill? |
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| 05:21.49 | shingouz | guestish: 18 |
| 05:22.05 | guestish | shingouz: seriously, you must pay a fortune |
| 05:22.14 | Gnea | suzzi: state the problem |
| 05:22.27 | shingouz | xam: Not too bad, I spin down the hd's and so on when I am not really running the box. |
| 05:22.44 | suzzi | [exim question] I want to know what I need to set/do to allow local users to relay there email but still block external relays (user@localhost can send mail as user@yahoo) |
| 05:22.48 | zophyx | it costs me $4.00 to boot my e10000 |
| 05:22.55 | shingouz | guestish: They heat the place up nicely too... ;) |
| 05:22.58 | Wyzard | shingouz: Wow, and I thought my 5 drives were a lot... |
| 05:23.03 | suzzi | I curently get an error about not being able to relay |
| 05:23.06 | xam | shingouz: same here, no heating needed |
| 05:23.20 | Gnea | suzzi: that's a feature, not a bug |
| 05:23.50 | suzzi | Gnea: well is there another feature where I can allow local users to relay them selvs? |
| 05:23.53 | Gnea | suzzi: exim3 or 4? |
| 05:23.55 | shingouz | Wyzard: guestish xam: I do not have the 18 drives and triple powers on that box, only five drives and dual powers, I have not been able to find the "rest of the parts" yet |
| 05:23.56 | guestish | and i thought my case was large |
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| 05:24.12 | suzzi | Gnea: what ever the defualt is ... 3 I think, let me check |
| 05:24.31 | Gnea | suzzi: you should try out 4, the configuration process walks through all of that |
| 05:25.00 | suzzi | Gnea: ya it's 3.. I'll upgrade and see if that helps thanks |
| 05:25.09 | shingouz | guestish: Ever seen a Compaq Proliant 6000? A friend of mine runs one as his desktop. Quad PPro-200 and a bunch of drives on dual powers. Nuts say I |
| 05:25.37 | Gnea | suzzi: it's a remarkable difference actually, let us know if ya need anything more |
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| 05:26.03 | suzzi | Gnea: sure... I'm sure that I'll be back in about 20 minutes or so |
| 05:26.11 | xam | shingouz: I'm a admin of a quad xeon-800 ... takes two power |
| 05:27.23 | shingouz | xam: In a server room such beasts are not too uncommon but as a desktop... The Proliant I was talking about is a retired server and the guy just picked it up for 50 euros and took it home. Instant desktop |
| 05:27.39 | xam | shingouz mad |
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| 05:28.43 | shingouz | xam: I know, I had to help him carry the dratted thing into his apartment. Then he went on to install NT40 Terminal Server on it |
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| 05:32.54 | erps | I have a system (A) that died - and a near identical system (B) that had no main hard drive. I did the bad thing (due to time constrants) of simply pulling the hard drive from system A and putting it into system B. This seems to have worked fine, but now I'm getting periodic freezes. Is there any type of forced update I can do to force the system to recheck all the binaries against the hardware and reconfigure itself where necessary? |
| 05:33.40 | erps | CPU/Add-on Cards are all the same. Motherboard chipset is mostly the same. Only real difference is there is a 0.01 version difference between the mother boards where they changed from Unregistered ECC to Registered ECC Ram requirement.. |
| 05:33.59 | lindi- | erps: have you run memtest86? |
| 05:34.14 | furrywolf | erps: what motherboard? |
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| 05:35.24 | cafuego | Woohoo! |
| 05:35.39 | shingouz | ? |
| 05:35.57 | erps | lindi- memory is fine. I'm getting HDL errors. |
| 05:36.19 | erps | furrywolf, S2707-GNN and S2707-G2N. Installed on the G2N, but the mobo died, so dropped it back to the GNN. |
| 05:36.38 | suzzi | Gnea: question about exim4... should i use the conf.d path or the single conf??? is there a reason to break everything up? |
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| 05:37.38 | furrywolf | hrmm, that's hopefully new enough to avoid capacitor plague... have you checked the obvious? cpu temps ok, swapped power supplies, etc? |
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| 05:39.11 | shingouz | cafuego: Fumigate the thing? ;) (congrats, man) |
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| 05:39.50 | boukensya | hey guys. I am looking for a really good console based web browser.. not links/elinks/lynx, something real good that can basicall replace firefox |
| 05:40.03 | xam | cafuego: do something useful and install darwin or openbsd on it *ducks* |
| 05:40.37 | cafuego | xam: it's going to be Ubuntu/OSX dual-boot. |
| 05:40.53 | shingouz | boukensya: You serious? Console based, not lynx and it should be able to do all the things Firefox is able to do? |
| 05:41.05 | boukensya | yeah.. would like one |
| 05:41.10 | boukensya | not all the things firefox can do |
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| 05:41.12 | shingouz | boukensya: Me too |
| 05:41.13 | boukensya | just alot |
| 05:41.27 | boukensya | like caching stuff |
| 05:41.31 | boukensya | properly |
| 05:41.33 | Coke | !ops heLp and adidaS are sending porn links on logon. |
| 05:41.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: heLp and adidaS are sending porn links on logon. |
| 05:41.45 | furrywolf | tigers |
| 05:42.04 | boukensya | shingouz: so there isn't one? |
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| 05:42.18 | boukensya | kind of sux because I am all console, except the web browser |
| 05:42.27 | shingouz | boukensya: I think you mentioned them all there already. Write one :) |
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| 05:42.44 | Coke | boukensya: yeah, wouldn't it be wonderful with a world where the internet is accessible through console too? |
| 05:42.48 | boukensya | shingouz: I can't code worth a crap |
| 05:43.19 | boukensya | Coke: yeah it would (: |
| 05:43.33 | xam | boukensya: we don't need crap code, we need good code anyway |
| 05:43.40 | boukensya | haha |
| 05:43.49 | Coke | boukensya: what you ask for is impossible since websites today are designed with form as highest priority and functionality as... well, they don't have functionality on their lists anymore. |
| 05:44.44 | useruser | could someone write a text-only frontend to gecko? |
| 05:44.48 | boukensya | yeah.. I don't want one to do everything.. just alot of things |
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| 05:45.22 | Coke | A research done here in Sweden recently dismissed all government sites as broken (all but one, actualy). If the government can't take control over their own sites from the media whores, why should anybody else try? |
| 05:45.55 | erps | furrywolf, yes. The system I just transferred the drive into was working with thep revious drive that had been in it. |
| 05:46.05 | erps | sorry, keep getting interrupted by phone calls |
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| 05:48.35 | Coke | dondelelcaro: wohhooo! |
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| 05:53.29 | toresbe | Hmm, you can bind F keys to shell commands, right? |
| 05:53.33 | cafuego | Coke: What do you mean "functionality"? it works fine in IE, you communist bastard. |
| 05:53.43 | toresbe | there has to be a way, it's Linux. |
| 05:53.57 | Coke | cafuego: good one. |
| 05:54.21 | toresbe | Coke: Didn't you get the memo? |
| 05:54.27 | toresbe | Debian has been bought by Microsoft. |
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| 05:54.45 | Coke | toresbe: where do you wisht o bind them? |
| 05:54.54 | Coke | toresbe: and possibly in the darkness find them? |
| 05:54.56 | cafuego | W2K3/x64 now uses GentooFS for more speed. |
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| 05:55.05 | streuner | haha |
| 05:55.14 | toresbe | It has broken all ties with the 14-year old basement coders and gone with a real operating system |
| 05:55.21 | abrocadabro | can anyone explain to me how does the connections work in irc? why everytime after I configured my proxy setting I have to type /server irc.freenode.net 6666? (6667 is block) but I had 3128 as the proxy port though |
| 05:55.50 | StereoSkit | hey dudes hi, i have e n00b question, what is the init mode to start my sarge in only text mode? |
| 05:55.56 | Coke | Can the memos be personal? |
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| 05:56.09 | Coke | oh, they can, I guess. |
| 05:56.10 | toresbe | We realized that Lenux stuff would never supply our customers with the stability, reliability, and security that Windows Professional, Home, Media Center and Limited edition can supply you with! |
| 05:56.12 | cafuego | StereoSkit: uninstall {k,x,g}dm |
| 05:56.24 | StereoSkit | i cat /etc/rcX.d (X==2~5) and i see S99gdm |
| 05:56.27 | xam | StereoSkit: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 05:56.28 | karsten | abrocadabro: 3128 is your squid (http, possibly ftp) proxy. Not IRC (6667). |
| 05:56.30 | streuner | dondelelcaro: Isn't that pretty boring the whole day sitting there? |
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| 05:56.46 | Coke | StereoSkit: apt-get remove gdm |
| 05:56.48 | trentbuck | Hey, I'm a networking klutz. Anyone want to talk me through setting up NAT for a TUN? |
| 05:56.58 | StereoSkit | tnx, but that was not my question. |
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| 05:57.18 | toresbe | StereoSkit: Debian does not tie the display manager to an init level |
| 05:57.18 | trentbuck | StereoSkit: Or aptitude install rcconf, then use rcconf to remove the symlinks from /etc/rc?.d |
| 05:57.25 | Coke | StereoSkit: Debian does not have default runlevels for console and X, runlevel two is the the default and you can make it do whatever it is you want it to do. |
| 05:57.26 | shingouz | StereoSkit: Debian does not use runlevels to control the X |
| 05:57.28 | abrocadabro | karsten: ok, why do i need to specify 6667? isn't my connection going through port 3128? |
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| 05:57.36 | xam | StereoSkit: but that is your solution. Your question was bogous |
| 05:57.55 | karsten | abrocadabro: squid doesn't do IRC. |
| 05:58.10 | fusion_a | Anyone able to help me out with getting my USB printer going with debian sarge? I have hotplug and CUPS and I am in the CUPS admin area and I added one for the USB port but it doesnt print a test page when asked... |
| 05:58.12 | karsten | abrocadabro: What's your IRC client? |
| 05:58.20 | abrocadabro | karsten: xchat |
| 05:58.26 | StereoSkit | Ok, that i needed to know, tnx |
| 05:58.29 | suzzi | completely ot but what is everyones fav ?term... and are there any out there that support true transparency? |
| 05:58.43 | abrocadabro | karsten: my route is blocking 6667, so I have to specify 6666 each time I make a connection |
| 05:58.51 | karsten | abrocadabro: And there's a proxy setting? |
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| 05:58.58 | Coke | suzzi: "true" transparency? |
| 05:59.03 | karsten | abrocadabro: That sounds like a firewall issue. Where are you IRCing from? |
| 05:59.04 | abrocadabro | karsten: yes, in xchat there is |
| 05:59.05 | toresbe | suzzi: I like aterm because it's lightweight and speedy |
| 05:59.07 | fusion_a | Ops, aLBerT is spamming joining users |
| 05:59.19 | trentbuck | suzzi: true transparency is implemented at the X level -- you need the XDamage and Composite extensions, which in turn require XOrg, which is not supported by Debian. |
| 05:59.19 | toresbe | fusion_a: use !ops |
| 05:59.20 | karsten | abrocadabro: Dunno. I'm out of my depth. |
| 05:59.23 | Coke | suzzi: I prefer rxvt because it is standards compliant and very very small. |
| 05:59.26 | fusion_a | !ops |
| 05:59.26 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 05:59.31 | suzzi | Coke: ya instead of just replicateing the background image, actualy seeing any windows below it. |
| 05:59.34 | fusion_a | !Ops aLBerT is spamming joining users |
| 05:59.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aLBerT is spamming joining users |
| 05:59.48 | abrocadabro | karsten: behind a firewall, and my firewall is behind a series of routers and they block ports |
| 05:59.51 | erps | furrywolf, so there's no way to force the system to essentially reconfig itself? The hardware has all checked out fine and has ran for months without a problem -- it was only down for a week since we were propogating to a new system.. ANd *groan* someone decided to pull the drive out of the server and use it in something else since it was upgraded and the new one acted like it was working fine. The new ones mobo died and so I was forced |
| 05:59.51 | erps | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.01 | suzzi | trentbuck: ahh .... well I can wait thne |
| 06:00.08 | karsten | trentbuck: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/13721.html (x.org) |
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| 06:00.16 | streuner | toresbe: no way |
| 06:00.21 | karsten | abrocadabro: Well, then, that might explain things. |
| 06:00.25 | toresbe | streuner: why not? |
| 06:00.33 | karsten | abrocadabro: Your on ANU's network? |
| 06:00.41 | abrocadabro | karsten: yes |
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| 06:01.03 | Coke | trentbuck & suzzy: actualy, you can make the terminal do it without those things, just that up until now nobody has thought of it as a good idea. |
| 06:01.13 | karsten | abrocadabro: Talk to your network admin. |
| 06:01.42 | streuner | toresbe: the same with GNOME or KDE... |
| 06:01.45 | karsten | abrocadabro: Alternatively, you can nmap hops out between you and the target IRC server to see where 6667's being blocked. Or run an SSH port forward. |
| 06:01.49 | toresbe | streuner: no, very different |
| 06:02.05 | trentbuck | The documentation tells me to call iptables with a bunch of arguments. What file do those go in to add those rules at boot? |
| 06:02.25 | streuner | toresbe: you have to resolve too many bugs then and the mass of packages are too complex |
| 06:02.27 | karsten | see shy joe rocks: One fun thing I did recently for d-i was write a web server in 56 lines of posix shell (+ netcat). |
| 06:02.28 | toresbe | streuner: not like they did a big version bump. It was a fork, and now Debian is doing extra work, backporting patches to Xorg, and doing stuff they have to do only because they're the only major distro who uses XFree |
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| 06:02.44 | abrocadabro | karsten: I can connect to the irc channel, I just want to know why I need to specify another port number 6666 after I have proxy:port |
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| 06:03.01 | john | what's the command to set up a mouse? |
| 06:03.01 | karsten | abrocadabro: I believe I've told you I don't know. |
| 06:03.02 | toresbe | patches from xort* |
| 06:03.03 | john | base-config |
| 06:03.05 | john | or ? |
| 06:03.06 | karsten | abrocadabro: Have a nice day. |
| 06:03.13 | abrocadabro | karsten: you2 |
| 06:03.17 | karsten | john: http://www.mousematch.com/ ? |
| 06:03.32 | toresbe | john: mouse for X or mouse for console? |
| 06:03.38 | karsten | john: ...or http://mouse.mafiahits.com/ |
| 06:03.43 | john | X |
| 06:03.54 | toresbe | john: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:03.58 | karsten | john: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:04.02 | toresbe | karsten: heh |
| 06:04.03 | john | ty |
| 06:04.06 | peterS | hmmmm |
| 06:04.06 | erps | ... /usr/sbin/hald is what keeps going berserk.. |
| 06:04.11 | peterS | john: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:04.13 | peterS | just for good measure |
| 06:04.16 | karsten | john: Choose your mouse. Should work OOTB for psaux / USB. |
| 06:04.17 | toresbe | hehe |
| 06:04.40 | toresbe | john: you want to select imPS/2 as the protocol and /dev/input/mice as the device |
| 06:04.50 | toresbe | streuner: Ubuntu did it, worked out nicely for them... |
| 06:05.12 | karsten | peterS: I liked my answers better. |
| 06:07.09 | streuner | toresbe: that's not our problem, our problem is to release sarge... |
| 06:07.20 | toresbe | streuner: True. |
| 06:07.43 | john | okay |
| 06:07.47 | john | now last thing |
| 06:07.53 | john | how do you kill x? |
| 06:07.54 | john | sorry |
| 06:08.02 | toresbe | john: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 06:08.15 | john | yes i know that |
| 06:08.20 | john | but is there a console command? |
| 06:08.26 | toresbe | killall XFree86 |
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| 06:08.39 | toresbe | it's a very fun command to use |
| 06:09.00 | shingouz | ...on someone elses X ;) |
| 06:09.10 | starscalling | later all you wreq09fas0dfu9235$#$YTW$SGHBE |
| 06:09.17 | cafuego | Not just their X, also all their other applications. |
| 06:09.20 | starscalling | dammit |
| 06:09.21 | shingouz | true |
| 06:09.22 | cafuego | See also 'randomkilld' |
| 06:09.23 | starscalling | sorry bout that |
| 06:09.31 | starscalling | thoght i had signed off this server first |
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| 06:11.18 | john | shingouz: that was somebody elses x |
| 06:11.24 | john | i was helping them configure their mouse wheel to scroll |
| 06:11.24 | john | :D |
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| 06:12.16 | shingouz | john: That is not as nice then, killing their X is a lot more fun if they do not expect it and have a lot of stuff open. |
| 06:12.25 | john | haha |
| 06:12.33 | shingouz | bofh101 |
| 06:12.36 | shingouz | ;) |
| 06:12.57 | Liquid_Flamingo | i'm having issues with the RC1 installer stalling at the ide-detect section and not proceeding from there.. this is on a very new mobo for the LGA775 intel 3.6 GHz processor |
| 06:13.10 | maher | Liquid_Flamingo: why not use rc3 |
| 06:13.19 | cafuego | Liquid_Flamingo: The RC1 installer is old. try again with the latest one. |
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| 06:13.21 | Liquid_Flamingo | has anyone else had issues like this? i've installed debian on a few computers before this and never faced this problembefore |
| 06:13.40 | Liquid_Flamingo | maher, cafuego thanks |
| 06:13.55 | Liquid_Flamingo | i was using the same install cd from a year ago |
| 06:13.57 | cafuego | if that still has issues, you may need a custom installer with a newer kernel. |
| 06:13.57 | Liquid_Flamingo | my bad |
| 06:14.26 | nagual | check if the mobo chipset is supported in the kernel, especially if its a new mobo |
| 06:14.39 | Liquid_Flamingo | well i'll try with the latest insaller and see how it goes |
| 06:14.48 | cafuego | probably ICH5, which should be supported |
| 06:14.52 | Liquid_Flamingo | where can i check that? |
| 06:14.58 | cafuego | Liquid_Flamingo: run 'lspci' |
| 06:15.04 | Liquid_Flamingo | ok |
| 06:15.41 | Liquid_Flamingo | no.. i know the chipset, can i just check on kernel.org or something to check if its supported? |
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| 06:15.54 | cafuego | What chipset is it? |
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| 06:16.14 | nagual | does knoppix boot on it? do that and check modules.conf |
| 06:16.20 | Liquid_Flamingo | Intel 925X |
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| 06:16.30 | Liquid_Flamingo | knoppix boots on it |
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| 06:17.06 | cafuego | Not explicitly mentioned in the 2.6.10 IDE core code. |
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| 06:17.46 | Liquid_Flamingo | well i'll try what you guys suggested and come back bug you guys some more if it doesn't work :) |
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| 06:18.32 | Liquid_Flamingo | thanks for the help though... this is for a noble cause.. deleting windows from my girlfrien's OS and putting debian |
| 06:18.33 | abrocadabro | karsten: I think I have figured it out, /server irc.freenode.net 6666 is asking xchat to connect to irc.freenode.net at port 6667 through proxy:3128, our router is blocking out-going connection to port 6667, that's why I need to /server irc.freenode.net 6666 |
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| 06:25.26 | fusion_a | Can anyone please help me? I cant seem to get my USB printer to run in Debian... in the CUPS manager there are a lot of "cancelled" documents that were automatically cancelled test pages..any help please? |
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| 06:30.06 | erps | What package provides the HAL Daemon? |
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| 06:30.35 | streuner | erps: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:30.46 | ircdevil | what format is used by itunes? |
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| 06:32.00 | ircdevil | whats with the bots? |
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| 06:32.14 | glick | hi |
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| 06:33.01 | karsten | fusion_a: What type of printer? |
| 06:33.23 | glick | hey i wonder what a dual opteron 64bit machine with two scsi 75gig HD's and 8 gigs of ddr400 ram with a 256meg Nvidia tv out card would roughly cost |
| 06:33.51 | karsten | glick: Money. |
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| 06:34.04 | glick | roughly? |
| 06:34.10 | karsten | glick: Go to a build-your-own-kit site and price it. |
| 06:34.43 | karsten | glick: Monarch is one I'm familiar with, not sure they do opteron out of hand. |
| 06:34.45 | glick | that will be my home basic computing machine |
| 06:35.27 | ircdevil | O_o |
| 06:35.32 | erps | streuner, hmm, thanks |
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| 06:35.56 | glick | actually im sick of my laptop |
| 06:36.01 | glick | id like a nice desktop machine |
| 06:36.11 | spoofer | what will be the *non* basic one? |
| 06:36.32 | glick | heh i dont need dual cpus |
| 06:36.37 | glick | but i do want 64 |
| 06:36.45 | glick | with 2+ gigs of ram |
| 06:36.49 | glick | and a scsi drive |
| 06:37.01 | karsten | !tell glick about enter. |
| 06:37.21 | glick | im a modest person |
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| 06:37.22 | karsten | glick: You've apparently confused #debian with QVC. |
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| 06:37.53 | spoofer | I love guys joining channels only to show off |
| 06:37.55 | Boohbah | glick: i'll go right out and get that for you, brb |
| 06:38.02 | dondelelcaro | karsten: an easy mistake to make... |
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| 06:38.03 | glick | thanks! |
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| 06:38.06 | karsten | spoofer: Quite. |
| 06:38.07 | ircdevil | karsten: /topic dont reflect what #debian is about anymore |
| 06:38.22 | karsten | glick: Tell you what, drop $20k on me, I'll get it to you. |
| 06:38.32 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Happens all the time. |
| 06:38.39 | karsten | dondelelcaro: The letters are like right next to each other. |
| 06:38.47 | dondelelcaro | karsten: dunno; $20K is pretty heavy... in pennies that could kill. |
| 06:38.50 | glick | wow 73gig scsi drive 10k rpm goin for 67 bucks on pricewatch |
| 06:39.08 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Point... |
| 06:39.11 | ircdevil | !lart glick |
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| 06:39.25 | dondelelcaro | glick: that's great. We're all quite capable of operating a web browser here ourselves. |
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| 06:39.32 | karsten | dondelelcaro: In college I started trying to fill a 5 gal plastic bottle w/ pennies. |
| 06:39.39 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...switched to a 1 gal wine jug. |
| 06:39.52 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...even _that_ was a lot of weight. |
| 06:40.05 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Speak for yourself. My hands are busy. |
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| 06:40.17 | Boohbah | karsten: we call that the 'bum jug' |
| 06:40.29 | glick | whats a decent opteron CPU? |
| 06:40.32 | fusion_a | karsten, (sorry for late reply) it is an epson stylus photo r21 USB printer |
| 06:40.35 | karsten | Boohbah: T-Bird. |
| 06:40.37 | glick | i see the 144 model and up |
| 06:40.39 | deadcat_ | how do i make checkinstall NOT to install after building the .de? |
| 06:40.43 | deadcat_ | deb |
| 06:40.46 | glick | i dont need the best but not the worst |
| 06:41.15 | karsten | fusion_a: Ah. There's a printer definition file of sorts you may or may not want to d/l. |
| 06:41.18 | jm_ | opterons are for servers, doesn't make sense to buy it as a desktop CPU |
| 06:41.26 | deadcat_ | poonj: what up. ya. i met him in this channel actually (= |
| 06:41.42 | fusion_a | karsten, yes I have the CUPS one.. just went to some Japanese site now and trying that one out |
| 06:42.10 | karsten | What are the CUPS printer definition files called? PPC? PLC? PDC? |
| 06:42.11 | bonggnu | i have troubles with a epson c43ux with cups, the printer appears ok, but always say "idle, aceppting jobs", but when i send a job, nothing happens,. |
| 06:42.17 | jm_ | karsten: PPD |
| 06:42.23 | streuner | !ppd |
| 06:42.23 | dpkg | ppd is probably postscript printer description. See http://www.linuxprinting.org, or the docs for lpr, lprng, pdq, cups, or whatever the hell printing system you use. |
| 06:42.23 | karsten | jm_: Thanks. |
| 06:42.32 | karsten | jm_: Didn't want to walk the alphabet on that..... |
| 06:42.40 | erps | Not finding hald or hal with search, heh |
| 06:42.42 | karsten | fusion_a: Find the PPD. Might help you. |
| 06:42.55 | ircdevil | glick: /join #hardware or STFU |
| 06:43.09 | fusion_a | Been to linuxprinting to, to no avail |
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| 06:43.11 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: just use /ignore |
| 06:43.14 | bonggnu | how could i change the printer status? from idle to active |
| 06:43.39 | caphuso | bonggnu: by printing something... |
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| 06:43.53 | karsten | bonggnu: What's your printer CFG? CUPS: http://localhost:631/ |
| 06:44.01 | karsten | caphuso: That was my first answer ;-) |
| 06:44.04 | bonggnu | i send jobs, from aplications, testing trow the web admin interface |
| 06:44.32 | axelx123 | please help i cannot run Java Applets in Debian!! |
| 06:44.48 | bonggnu | but always nothing happens, using kprinter i can send a order to aling headers, test colors, like low level ionstruccitions |
| 06:44.53 | caphuso | karsten: yeah, that answer is too obvious :) |
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| 06:44.59 | bonggnu | axelx123, you need to install java |
| 06:45.08 | bonggnu | do you have j2re installed? |
| 06:45.49 | axelx123 | bonggnu yes i have 2 dvds with packages! i installed everything i could |
| 06:46.05 | caphuso | bonggnu: bump up debug level in cups, restart, print, check log files |
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| 06:46.14 | bonggnu | dowload the binary java from java.com, run it, then link the java pluig in for browser to /usr/lib/mozilla firefox and other browsers plug in directoriees |
| 06:46.20 | bonggnu | ok caphuso |
| 06:46.46 | axelx123 | bonggnu and other browsers (konqueror)? |
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| 06:47.25 | bonggnu | konqueror has a option in the menues to seek plug ins |
| 06:48.43 | bonggnu | my printers appears alway "inactive" |
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| 06:48.50 | hogballs | hi |
| 06:49.23 | hogballs | i got my kde all sorted out but i like gnome too... my sound is always not working properly in gnome |
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| 06:49.38 | axelx123 | bonggnu is mozilla plugin good for konqueror or i should download other? |
| 06:50.00 | mortum | hello |
| 06:50.11 | carnage | is there any way to force x and gnome to run entirely in ram? |
| 06:50.14 | fusion_a | karsten, how do I tell which PPD I need? the naming of the files does not resemble anything at all recognisable |
| 06:50.25 | kryp71k | I needs help: I can't get the debian setup to load my sata drivers from disk. anyone have any suggestions? |
| 06:50.31 | bonggnu | i do not know |
| 06:50.41 | hogballs | when i try and turn up the volume it wont let me turn it up. it always goes back to 0 sound.. |
| 06:50.43 | streuner | carnage: how much RAM do you have? |
| 06:50.52 | hogballs | in kde i can select threaded sound system |
| 06:50.56 | bonggnu | in the kernel modules hogballs ? modconf |
| 06:50.56 | carnage | a gig |
| 06:50.59 | hogballs | but in gnome i dont know |
| 06:51.36 | hogballs | <new to gnome |
| 06:51.41 | carnage | streuner, why? |
| 06:51.42 | hogballs | <noobish to linux |
| 06:52.04 | kryp71k | gnome kicks arse |
| 06:52.07 | streuner | camage: because |
| 06:52.21 | hogballs | i guess oss dont work |
| 06:52.24 | kryp71k | is there a debian help channel? |
| 06:52.25 | carnage | well do you know how to do it or not? |
| 06:52.27 | hogballs | alsa worked good with my audigy card |
| 06:52.37 | streuner | camage: 1 Gig and you are unable to run GNOME at all? :-) |
| 06:52.38 | hogballs | but i dont see any tool to configure it right in gnome |
| 06:52.48 | streuner | kryp71k: you are already in |
| 06:53.00 | hogballs | i did a apt-get install gnome-sound and it went in ok but still no avail.. mmm |
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| 06:53.54 | kryp71k | would anyone know why my sata drivers aren't being detected by debians setup ... |
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| 06:54.27 | boukensya | hey guys. I am looking for a stratego game that is text based. Does that exist? |
| 06:54.29 | hogballs | on the other hand my screensaver only goes to blank screen in kde but in gnome it works fine. |
| 06:54.29 | streuner | kryp71k: we need more details |
| 06:54.52 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 06:54.53 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 06:55.21 | kryp71k | it's an msi board, I have the SATA & RAID drivers on disk. I started boot with the propper arguments ... |
| 06:55.31 | hogballs | ok... audigy dont work in gnome but works in kde |
| 06:55.35 | kryp71k | then it asked for the floppy so I put it in, |
| 06:55.51 | hogballs | ok.... screensavers work in gnome but not kde. |
| 06:55.53 | kryp71k | the disk light lit ... it spun a bit ... |
| 06:56.22 | kryp71k | then it tells me there were no drivers found for my sata hardware on the disk |
| 06:56.28 | kryp71k | and that's it |
| 06:56.29 | streuner | kryp71k: what controller do you have? |
| 06:56.36 | karsten | fusion_a: http://groups.northwestern.edu/exec/htmldocs/cups.html |
| 06:56.41 | kryp71k | vt6420 |
| 06:56.42 | karsten | fusion_a: ...sorry, distracted. |
| 06:56.47 | hogballs | what gnome tool allows me to select the right sound driver to make my sounds work |
| 06:56.54 | kryp71k | and vt8237 |
| 06:57.01 | karsten | fusion_a: ...basically, you need to find the right one for your printer, which is a bit of a black art. |
| 06:57.07 | streuner | kryp71k: for SATA |
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| 06:57.12 | kryp71k | ya |
| 06:57.18 | streuner | kryp71k: Highspeed? |
| 06:57.24 | streuner | kryp71k: Intel or what? |
| 06:57.30 | bonggnu | the works appears like canceled in the cups web admin, but when i put reinicializate work, says Error: |
| 06:57.34 | bonggnu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:57.40 | fusion_a | karsten, I have used the cups "wizard" and found the right driver in there but it just wont print |
| 06:57.49 | kryp71k | hmmm.. not sure what the exact speed of the sata controller is ... |
| 06:58.19 | karsten | fusion_a: I'm not particularly good at diagnosing CUPS stuff. |
| 06:58.21 | kryp71k | but ya, it's referred to as Highspeed SATA ... soooo... i would asume so |
| 06:58.32 | axelx123 | what is MTA? |
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| 06:58.42 | streuner | kryp71k: do you know the chipset of it? |
| 06:58.44 | streuner | !MTA |
| 06:58.45 | dpkg | hmm... mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 06:59.14 | kryp71k | negative ... the board's MSI and my processor's an AMD |
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| 06:59.44 | hogballs | haha msi makes 1000ds of boards |
| 06:59.44 | streuner | kryp71k: go to the mobo website and find out |
| 06:59.57 | LinuxNIT | what are ports 111 sunrpc and 113 auth for? |
| 06:59.59 | streuner | kryp71k: or take a look in your manual |
| 07:00.05 | hogballs | u need the series of motherboard |
| 07:00.20 | hogballs | like i got the asus a7n8x rev.2.0 bios flashed to latest |
| 07:00.44 | Crasp | !u |
| 07:00.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:00.58 | kryp71k | series eh well, I think it's the v8 400 ... but I guess I'll have to dig into my manuals |
| 07:01.04 | deadcat | cool. just built splashutil into .deb but how do i use checkinstall to just build and dont install? |
| 07:01.14 | hogballs | first 3 pages should tell u |
| 07:01.15 | hogballs | u |
| 07:01.18 | Crasp | !u |
| 07:01.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:01.22 | kryp71k | but thanks for the leads ... appreciated ;) |
| 07:02.10 | hogballs | also it will tell u what your sata onboard is |
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| 07:02.19 | Crasp | !tell hogballs about u |
| 07:02.25 | kryp71k | I'll be here a lil' more often I think ... went from windows to redhad to ubuntu to debsians |
| 07:02.32 | kryp71k | ;) lates and thanks |
| 07:02.34 | hogballs | lol |
| 07:02.40 | hogballs | desbians |
| 07:02.52 | hogballs | i found that debian is cooler than therest |
| 07:03.00 | hogballs | they got that package installer |
| 07:03.02 | Crasp | redhad :) |
| 07:03.14 | kryp71k | heh ... |
| 07:03.17 | hogballs | i think its easier than all others to make things work |
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| 07:03.50 | hogballs | always come back here for help. lots of people wanting to help compared to the others |
| 07:04.15 | hogballs | ive had mericales happen in this room |
| 07:04.25 | Crasp | hogballs: always glad to help as long as YOU stick to the policies here ;) |
| 07:04.29 | hogballs | got my vid card to work with 3d games, java installed etc.. |
| 07:04.37 | hogballs | lol u |
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| 07:04.46 | moonunit | is there a way to "wget" while in C ... I want to grab an html file and save it into a buffer. |
| 07:04.56 | dondelelcaro | moonunit: system. |
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| 07:05.26 | hogballs | policy dont say u cant say u |
| 07:05.45 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: yes, it does. |
| 07:05.50 | Crasp | just stick to that then and i'll ignore you from now on |
| 07:06.04 | hogballs | so many people used u that people like u make the bot spam out useless lines |
| 07:06.29 | hogballs | call me a fast chatter |
| 07:06.36 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: want to test fbsplash.deb for me? see if it will install on your machine. |
| 07:06.39 | Crasp | has nothing to do with being fast |
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| 07:07.20 | hogballs | Crasp, you forgot to capitolize your sentence and put a period on your sentence. dpkg capitolize, period! |
| 07:07.40 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: it's simply about being courteous to the other people on the channel. We read thousands of lines of text everyday, and improper aolspeak makes it much more difficult to understand what you're saying. |
| 07:07.41 | hogballs | sounds anal |
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| 07:08.12 | Crasp | hogballs: here in NL it's really worse, because the dutch grammar also has posibilities to screw up words or sentences like that, and i can see how children suffer with the dutch grammar and spelling because they've been chatting too much with the wrong grammar and spelling just because it looks cool |
| 07:08.22 | streuner | hogballs: and other point is, there are a lot of non-native english people around here too... |
| 07:08.27 | hogballs | haha |
| 07:08.36 | zitooo | the packages listed in aptitude are really outdate, 2.6 sources aren't even listed, i did a mini iso install, what is wrong? |
| 07:08.42 | streuner | hogballs: what's so funny about this? |
| 07:08.48 | ircdevil | is there some opensource clone of skype being developed? |
| 07:08.51 | dondelelcaro | zitooo: cat /etc/debian-version |
| 07:08.58 | hogballs | cause i dont want help from someone from another country that cant speak english |
| 07:09.01 | dondelelcaro | s/-/_/ |
| 07:09.08 | hogballs | if they dont like it its their problem |
| 07:09.13 | zitooo | one sec |
| 07:09.21 | Crasp | hogballs: well we don't like it here, so that makes it your problem |
| 07:09.28 | hogballs | ok then |
| 07:09.38 | hogballs | YOU made your point lol |
| 07:09.41 | hogballs | can i say LOL? |
| 07:09.42 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: uh, a large number of people in this channel don't speak english natively. Regardless, even native speakers don't like it. |
| 07:09.55 | Crasp | !lol |
| 07:09.55 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. |
| 07:10.02 | zitooo | dondelelcaro: 3.0 |
| 07:10.08 | dijz | Hi, I recent have installed php4 and apache 1.3.33 but I not sucess laoding php-modules, do anyboby can help me? I can not by hand to change /etc/apache/modules.conf and by "/usr/sbin/apache-modconf apache enable php" it not work |
| 07:10.08 | Crasp | there you go |
| 07:10.22 | dondelelcaro | zitooo: you've installed woody, which was released almost 35 months ago. |
| 07:10.36 | dondelelcaro | zitooo: it doesn't have 2.6. If you want 2.6, upgrade to sarge. /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 07:10.43 | hogballs | that to me is being discriminative against people who started out chatting in windows. |
| 07:10.48 | ircdevil | dijz: have a look in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 07:10.59 | hogballs | please paint me black and hang me. |
| 07:11.04 | Crasp | hogballs: it has nothing to do with an operating system |
| 07:11.05 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: yes, we are elitist bastards. |
| 07:11.09 | dijz | ircdevil: jes |
| 07:11.18 | hogballs | ha ha |
| 07:11.22 | ircdevil | dijz: check that php is enabled |
| 07:11.44 | dijz | ircdevil: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 07:11.56 | IDC | :) |
| 07:12.01 | zitooo | dondelelcaro: ty |
| 07:12.01 | dijz | ircdevil: AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps |
| 07:12.06 | hogballs | I wish my wireless usb network adapter worked in linux. |
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| 07:12.27 | IDC | hi dijz ,sorry,but are those related to Apache httpd ? |
| 07:12.36 | hogballs | I looked up the FCC on the thing and its classified information as to what chipset is really used. |
| 07:12.49 | ircdevil | dijz: there is also the lines loading the php modules. apache is excellent documented. or #apache |
| 07:12.56 | Crasp | hogballs: try lspci, it might give you some information |
| 07:13.06 | hogballs | I tried to take the thing back but the guy didnt have anydifferent ones in stock. |
| 07:13.12 | Crasp | or lsusb |
| 07:13.26 | hogballs | na, i got the gui's of those |
| 07:13.52 | hogballs | how do I request someone to make a driver for it? |
| 07:13.59 | Crasp | you can't |
| 07:14.07 | Crasp | either they make one, or you make one and commit it |
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| 07:14.22 | Crasp | perhaps if you would pay somebody to do it |
| 07:14.41 | IDC | Anybody know why i am having this problem that access to www.example.com/bbs is fine,except www.example.com/BBS ,nor using Bbs ,bBs ... ? |
| 07:14.57 | dijz | ircdevil: in httpd.conf I have Include /etc/apache/modules.conf, ok I will try #apache, thanks |
| 07:14.59 | IDC | I mean how to tell apache not being caps sensitive ? |
| 07:15.00 | Crasp | IDC: that's because it's case sensitive |
| 07:15.04 | hogballs | It is the cheapest usb wireless adaptor available on the market that is the 802.11g. so im sure soon they will upgrade from b and hook up a driver. |
| 07:15.10 | Crasp | IDC: you can't, it's a http standard :) |
| 07:15.22 | streuner | hogballs: there is an easy solution |
| 07:15.26 | IDC | Crasp, but is there a way to disable it ? i checked,almost everyone' site doesnt have that limite |
| 07:15.35 | IDC | Crasp,no |
| 07:15.54 | Crasp | IDC: well, i don't know what sites you check, but every site i check works like that |
| 07:15.59 | streuner | hogballs: just buy those card which well support, done. |
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| 07:16.16 | Crasp | IDC: anyway, i think google or usenet might be more helpful then #debian |
| 07:16.33 | xstar | how to get alsa working in non-root? |
| 07:16.40 | streuner | hogballs: is* |
| 07:16.42 | IDC | Crasp, for examle, bbs.china.com and BBS.china.com ,both work |
| 07:16.50 | Crasp | IDC: but that is a domainname |
| 07:16.58 | IDC | hmm |
| 07:17.11 | Crasp | IDC: there's a difference in domainnames and locations in your webserver |
| 07:17.51 | IDC | Crasp, oh,then i misunderstood |
| 07:17.52 | hogballs | streuner, i dont think of linux when i buy hardware |
| 07:18.05 | Crasp | IDC: dommainnames are not case-sensitive, but everything after the first / is (after http:// that is) |
| 07:18.11 | streuner | hogballs: well, i do |
| 07:18.32 | IDC | Crasp, i see,i just wanted to make sure,thanks |
| 07:18.48 | IDC | Crasp, hey,i got a plan ... |
| 07:18.56 | hogballs | streuner, after the ati 9600pro scenereo for the last 5 years fighting to get 3d support it is starting to change my thoughts |
| 07:19.11 | IDC | I mean, after i configure this debian ..will plug out monitor for another PC i have |
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| 07:19.32 | linex | hello |
| 07:19.32 | IDC | Then by then i will administractor from there to access to debian box |
| 07:19.44 | IDC | But,what OS will that be for that machine would you think ? |
| 07:19.53 | hogballs | my main project right now is getting yahelinux to work in kde. |
| 07:20.14 | IDC | or,do i need a HUB/switch or a broadband router <since they are cheap now > ? |
| 07:20.21 | hogballs | even teamspeak hogs about a gig of ram in linux |
| 07:20.30 | xstar | how to get alsa working in non-root? |
| 07:20.49 | hogballs | xstar, why would you want to do that? |
| 07:20.49 | Crasp | IDC: hmm, that depends on how you want to do it.. if you're a good shell user you can use any ssh client (almost every OS has one) or if you use a webinterface to administrate the debian box you need an os that supports a web browser |
| 07:21.00 | xstar | why not? |
| 07:21.03 | Crasp | IDC: basically you're fine with everything but msdos :p |
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| 07:21.07 | streuner | hogballs: well, /join #debian-kde |
| 07:21.16 | xstar | not restricted to root-only |
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| 07:21.29 | IDC | Crasp, well,i mean,by then This debian server will run without X cuz it will be acting as a server |
| 07:21.45 | IDC | it doesnt matter if i will have X support on another PC |
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| 07:22.22 | hogballs | xstar, i never grasped the crap of being so parinoid configuring stuff as non root |
| 07:22.25 | streuner | hogballs: wait, what is 'yahelinux'? |
| 07:22.26 | IDC | Crasp, I see,whatever i should NOT try windows on another PC to this debian box by then ? |
| 07:22.27 | Crasp | IDC: i don't quite get what you mean, but yes, you don't need X |
| 07:22.47 | Crasp | IDC: describe exactly what you want to do |
| 07:22.52 | hogballs | xstar, even in linux+ class they tried to explain it to me but i still didnt understand |
| 07:22.53 | Crasp | IDC: cause it's all a bit vague to me |
| 07:23.00 | dijz | someone did help me in #php or #apache... |
| 07:23.14 | xstar | don't get you, root should be restricted to admin only, not playing vcd, say. |
| 07:23.16 | IDC | Crasp, A <debian server without X runs 24/7> <----communication---->B< OS ?> |
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| 07:23.29 | Crasp | IDC: OS doesn't matter |
| 07:23.38 | Crasp | IDC: you can just use any OS and connect with ssh |
| 07:23.47 | hogballs | streuner, a wine ported version of yahelite, which is like windows version of yahoo messenger that supports webcams and voice chat sessions in rooms the size of this one . |
| 07:23.54 | IDC | Crasp, usually in this matter many people would use ssh ? |
| 07:23.59 | Crasp | IDC: for windows you could use "putty" for example, that's a great free ssh client |
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| 07:24.13 | Crasp | IDC: you want to run a fileserver? |
| 07:24.18 | hogballs | gaim = lame |
| 07:24.18 | IDC | web server |
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| 07:24.26 | dijz | s/someone/nobody/g |
| 07:24.28 | IDC | Crasp, web server + email server |
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| 07:24.41 | kevinv | Question about Debian/Bochs/SDL? |
| 07:24.51 | hogballs | i got this .so file that hoses up with wine |
| 07:24.53 | kevinv | I am in fullscreen mode, and can't get out? |
| 07:25.02 | Crasp | IDC: ah, then you need one account that administrates it, that one uses ssh to do maintenance. All other people can connect using a web browser or mail client |
| 07:25.08 | kevinv | I went to the Bochs site, no help there. |
| 07:25.13 | xstar | know of any video-conferencing package for Debian? |
| 07:25.15 | kevinv | even the bochs IRC |
| 07:25.26 | fpmc | Is there a method of exporting thunderbird mails to another machine without opening Thunderbird? |
| 07:25.27 | karsten | kevinv: <ctrl><alt><f1> ? |
| 07:25.35 | IDC | Crasp, i mean,by then my goal will be --->complete ability in controling from machine B to debian server,cuz by then debian server will not have a monitor |
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| 07:25.55 | Crasp | IDC: yes you can do that with ssh |
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| 07:26.07 | kevinv | karsten: I tried, thats for console keys, they still work. Bochs is running now. |
| 07:26.10 | roberto | alguna chica q able español? |
| 07:26.22 | xstar | what the f.., so boring. |
| 07:26.25 | streuner | hogballs: ic |
| 07:26.27 | roberto | any woman that speak spanish? |
| 07:26.37 | hogballs | its so confusing how gnome is so much cooler on some things but totally lack things that kde has.. if they would just merge kde and gnome together... |
| 07:26.46 | IDC | Crasp, i will check info about using ssh :) thanks a lot |
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| 07:26.55 | Crasp | IDC: it's really quite simple |
| 07:27.03 | pyroscroll | hello |
| 07:27.04 | IDC | I hope so |
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| 07:27.19 | [SemTeX] | hi |
| 07:27.24 | pyroscroll | i am interested in finding out what is killing 50% of my cpu |
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| 07:27.27 | karsten | kevinv: Just a WAG. |
| 07:27.30 | pyroscroll | while i am not doing nothing |
| 07:27.41 | dijz | IDC: ircdevil: do you can little help me about php on apache? |
| 07:27.43 | karsten | pyroscroll: 'top' |
| 07:27.44 | liable | pyroscroll: try 'top' |
| 07:27.45 | hogballs | modprobe? |
| 07:27.47 | pyroscroll | how can i do this |
| 07:27.54 | Crasp | IDC: create a useraccout on the debian box using adduser, run apt-get install ssh, download an ssh client for the os you want to use (i.e.: putty for windows) and connect to the ip of the debian server with that client, login as that user and you will be able to maintain the server as if a monitor was connected |
| 07:27.57 | karsten | pyroscroll: ...and note the difference between CPU utilization and system load. |
| 07:27.59 | kevinv | karsten: Have any clue what the config access key for bochs is though? |
| 07:28.06 | karsten | pyroscroll: Run the command "top" in a terminal. |
| 07:28.15 | karsten | kevinv: Nope. |
| 07:28.21 | karsten | kevinv: I've used bochs *very* rarely. |
| 07:28.25 | pyroscroll | lavalite |
| 07:28.29 | pyroscroll | is using up 50% |
| 07:28.31 | pyroscroll | of my cpu |
| 07:28.36 | pyroscroll | rather it says |
| 07:28.37 | pyroscroll | 95% |
| 07:28.38 | IDC | dijz, sorry ...i know nothing about PHP at this moment,i just read online to configure php to work with apache ,,stuff like that |
| 07:28.40 | [SemTeX] | we did some additional Dutch translations for mailman, see bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=306748 |
| 07:28.42 | pyroscroll | but im hyperthreading |
| 07:28.42 | roberto | olaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 07:28.50 | [SemTeX] | is there any chance these will make it into sarge? |
| 07:28.54 | karsten | !tell pyroscroll about enter |
| 07:28.55 | liable | !es |
| 07:28.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:29.01 | karsten | !tell roberto about es |
| 07:29.18 | roberto | spanishhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 07:29.21 | karsten | [SemTeX]: sarge is frozen. /topc |
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| 07:29.29 | pyroscroll | sorry |
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| 07:29.34 | karsten | !ops roberto |
| 07:29.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: roberto |
| 07:29.36 | dijz | liable: i am brazillian, and now everyone sleep |
| 07:29.39 | karsten | roberto: Stop that. |
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| 07:29.50 | pyroscroll | 95% of my cpu is being used up by lavalite, what's up wit that |
| 07:29.52 | IDC | Crasp, I understood,so by then by using ssh it will be like doing stuff in the real target machine ? |
| 07:29.53 | dijz | liable: i speak portuguese |
| 07:30.01 | liable | dijz: maybe you should too :) |
| 07:30.08 | karsten | !tell dijz about br |
| 07:30.28 | hogballs | where I live we got the cheeziest commercials ever |
| 07:30.32 | Crasp | IDC: yes |
| 07:30.33 | karsten | IDC: Yes. Except for killing the network. |
| 07:30.37 | sep | [SemTeX]: read this http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html translation updates might still be included |
| 07:30.47 | [SemTeX] | thx |
| 07:30.56 | karsten | pyroscroll: lavalite's probably a screensaver. Kill the process. |
| 07:30.56 | liable | dijz: fine to ask questions here, as long as its passable english |
| 07:31.04 | IDC | Crasp, anyway ...isn't VNC an alternative in this matter ? |
| 07:31.13 | pyroscroll | then its buggy |
| 07:31.14 | [SemTeX] | i'm not a debian developer, that's why i ask it over here |
| 07:31.15 | pyroscroll | or something |
| 07:31.23 | IDC | s/alternative/alternate |
| 07:31.27 | Crasp | IDC: if you want to use X remote, but i would avoid running X if you only want to use a webserver |
| 07:31.34 | karsten | IDC: VNC == graphica remote access client w/o encryption. |
| 07:31.49 | hogballs | vnc has encryption |
| 07:31.51 | karsten | IDC: SSH == console / text remote access with encryption. Alternatively, you can tunnel X11 over ssh. |
| 07:32.13 | hogballs | oh |
| 07:32.14 | karsten | hogballs: No it doesn't. |
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| 07:32.20 | dijz | IDC: thanks :) |
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| 07:32.33 | Crasp | hogballs: unless you think tcp packets are encrypted by default it doesn't have encryption :) |
| 07:32.33 | roberto | ola |
| 07:32.34 | karsten | hogballs: You can tunnel it. Some clients may support this. The protocol itself lacks it. |
| 07:32.34 | IDC | hmm |
| 07:33.05 | Crasp | hogballs: perhaps you mean an ssh tunnel with vnc |
| 07:33.35 | IDC | I mean,on this server it runs a forum based on PHP+mysql ,working fine,but i would think i will still have to log in the admin control pannel via WEB to mantain stuff in the forum,will SSH help with that ? |
| 07:33.36 | ircdevil | are usb headsets evil? |
| 07:34.08 | Crasp | IDC: no, it are 2 completely different things |
| 07:34.13 | hogballs | VNC Enterprise and Personal Editions include support for strong encryption and authentication of VNC connections |
| 07:34.16 | IDC | oh |
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| 07:34.45 | Crasp | IDC: you can see ssh just as the monitor that is connected to the server now |
| 07:35.03 | karsten | hogballs: That would be a client implementation incorporating tunneling into the client. The raw protocol doesn't support that. |
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| 07:35.16 | Crasp | IDC: you could for example monitor webserver traffic with it |
| 07:35.29 | hogballs | the free version dont include encryption |
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| 07:35.36 | IDC | Crasp, oh,yes i can do that ,i just forgot,for example,from machine B to visit my site <on machine A> via local network or via internet both will work,so i will be able to click on ADMIN in the forum to log in the control center |
| 07:35.41 | Crasp | IDC: but for the administration of the php forum you probably use the same webinterface |
| 07:35.47 | karsten | IDC: Remote access depends on how you admin the box. If you've got a web-based interface, you can do that. Most of the folks here like command line -- it's fast, flexible, and works on a wide range of situations. |
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| 07:36.27 | Crasp | karsten: and the most important part: it's more secure (by default) |
| 07:36.51 | karsten | Crasp: Sure. Though HTTPS would be a reasonable proxy. |
| 07:37.02 | Crasp | karsten: yeah, but that's not really default ;) |
| 07:37.04 | deadcat | how do i make checkinstall NOT to install after building the .deb? |
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| 07:37.22 | IDC | I will use SSH, yes, the matter is i only have to have a browser in machine B that im capable of doing administracting tasks from there to the forum is located in server A |
| 07:37.23 | karsten | Crasp: It is in HTTPS ;-) |
| 07:37.51 | hogballs | hey! goodnight |
| 07:38.03 | Crasp | IDC: look at it like this: you will need ssh to set up your webserver, php, mysql and you will need a browser to maintain your php-based forum |
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| 07:38.22 | IDC | Crasp, i have already done those things ,almost |
| 07:38.24 | hogballs | maybie tomorrow ill wake up to my dream driver and stuff. |
| 07:38.39 | IDC | Crasp, yeah,i agree :) |
| 07:38.49 | hogballs | i hate mattheo lesco |
| 07:38.54 | Crasp | IDC: well i'm pretty sure you still want to be able to run ssh to update stuff if there is a security update for the webserver for example |
| 07:39.11 | hogballs | he is a freaking liar out the butt |
| 07:39.20 | Crasp | IDC: or to reboot the machine if it breaks or something |
| 07:39.35 | IDC | Crasp, that sounds cool,and by then i can still do 'apt-get update' things from machine B in A ? |
| 07:39.47 | Crasp | IDC: exactly |
| 07:39.47 | hogballs | "tell your employers to SHOVE IT |
| 07:39.53 | IDC | perfect |
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| 07:40.50 | IDC | Crasp, by the way,i have another important question,in case i didn't want to mess it up that i keep windows NTFS partiton in this machine |
| 07:41.13 | IDC | is there a way to remove those windows partition and free the space then add them to Linux ? |
| 07:41.35 | tarzeau | IDC: sure |
| 07:41.38 | pyroscroll | :P |
| 07:41.48 | IDC | Now linux is only assigned 10GIG ,i have total 40Gig space in this machine,windows took 30Gig by far |
| 07:42.07 | IDC | tarzeau, for sure ? |
| 07:42.16 | tarzeau | IDC: definitely, i'd use cfdisk |
| 07:42.36 | IDC | THat one i have seen it during debian install ? |
| 07:42.50 | pyroscroll | lol dope wars is such a good game |
| 07:42.51 | tarzeau | IDC: yes |
| 07:42.51 | pyroscroll | lol |
| 07:43.02 | tarzeau | pyroscroll: tried supertux, jumpnbump, nethack yet? |
| 07:43.11 | pyroscroll | nope |
| 07:43.11 | tarzeau | pyroscroll: or www.mtp-target.org or bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 07:43.20 | pyroscroll | nope |
| 07:43.22 | IDC | tarzeau, i see :) |
| 07:43.22 | pyroscroll | tuxracer |
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| 07:43.36 | Assid | heya |
| 07:43.57 | Assid | how do i reconfigure exim4 to "relay" |
| 07:44.08 | pyroscroll | battle for wesnoth is pretty nice but, i dont understand how to move |
| 07:44.13 | pyroscroll | that wizard wont let me move |
| 07:44.25 | Crasp | IDC: there are some issues with that tho.. If you want to be able to remove the ntfs partition and use the full disksize for linux and the filesystem is ext2 or ext3 the windows partition has to be after the desired partition you want to resize |
| 07:44.34 | Crasp | *though |
| 07:45.06 | Crasp | IDC: it is not possible (yet) to move the startpoint of a linux partition |
| 07:45.18 | IDC | hmm |
| 07:45.57 | Crasp | IDC: i usually fix this by adding another disk, copy all data to it, delete the old partition, create a new one and copy all data back |
| 07:46.06 | pyroscroll | i would probably considder linux but aparently my sound dosent work here to its full advantage |
| 07:46.23 | pyroscroll | consider linux to be my permanent system |
| 07:46.36 | IDC | Crasp, i have 2 spare HDDs |
| 07:46.44 | Crasp | IDC: that should do the trick :) |
| 07:46.47 | IDC | besides the current one |
| 07:47.36 | IDC | Crasp, you mean it can be harmless to pack the important parts in this debian,then copy them to windows, repartittion debian machine, install a basic debian then copy the datas back to it ? |
| 07:47.53 | Crasp | IDC: no don't copy it to a windows partition |
| 07:48.12 | Crasp | IDC: or all permissions will be lost |
| 07:48.17 | IDC | oh |
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| 07:49.12 | Crasp | IDC: you could create a tar from it and copy that to the windows machine |
| 07:49.15 | pyroscroll | I have installed debian, and after that ive done quite a few configurations and installs of graphics drivers, etc. is it possible for me to pack what i have currently up into a set of cd's? so i dont require a net install or any configuring that i had to do previously |
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| 07:49.28 | IDC | Crasp, that want i wanted to express |
| 07:49.34 | IDC | s/want/what |
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| 07:49.42 | Crasp | k |
| 07:49.47 | Crasp | well good luck with it |
| 07:49.48 | IDC | cool :) |
| 07:49.56 | IDC | Thanks a lot |
| 07:50.00 | Crasp | i'm gonna do some work now, or i might get fired for ircing too long :p |
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| 07:50.21 | Dazgard | hi |
| 07:50.29 | IDC | Crasp, i see |
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| 07:50.57 | Dazgard | how can i change the path where a .deb package will be install please |
| 07:51.13 | Dazgard | let say i woiuld like to iunstall it in /opt instead of /usr |
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| 07:51.18 | Dazgard | its it possible ? |
| 07:51.37 | xopher`wrk | why do you wish to do this? |
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| 07:52.03 | pyroscroll | I have installed debian, and after that ive done quite a few configurations and installs of graphics drivers, etc. is it possible for me to pack what i have currently up into a set of cd's? so i dont require a net install or any configuring that i had to do previously |
| 07:52.08 | Dazgard | i would like to create a patch for garnome to create .deb for an easy installation |
| 07:52.10 | Assid | can someone help me with reconfiguring exim4? |
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| 07:52.17 | cartel_ | hey all |
| 07:52.21 | Assid | i cant seem to set it up to relay |
| 07:52.53 | Dazgard | xopher`wrk: any idea ? |
| 07:53.16 | Dazgard | can "dpkg -x " do the work ? |
| 07:53.23 | Dazgard | or is it a better way ? |
| 07:53.31 | xopher`wrk | I have no idea :) |
| 07:53.37 | Dazgard | :) |
| 07:53.38 | jeanmi_ | I have an external HD I'd like to be able to use with both linux and macosx. what filesystem should I consider using ? ext2/3 reiserfs ? other ? |
| 07:53.39 | dondelelcaro | Dazgard: why in the world do you want to do that? |
| 07:53.59 | ircdevil | jet onion? what a name for a horse :o/ |
| 07:53.59 | Dazgard | dondelelcaro: i would like to create a patch for garnome to create .deb for an easy installation |
| 07:54.11 | dondelelcaro | Dazgard: see the --root and --instdir, etc... but that's generally not a great idea. |
| 07:54.24 | dondelelcaro | Dazgard: garnome? |
| 07:54.33 | Dazgard | it's just for the complilation stuff |
| 07:54.35 | skipp_OSX | any experience using a highpoint RAID controller here? |
| 07:54.49 | dondelelcaro | blech |
| 07:54.52 | Dazgard | yes garnome, to coimpile gnome from tarball or cvs |
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| 07:55.10 | dondelelcaro | Dazgard: why not just use the gnome source packages and upgrade the parts that you want to be CVS appropriately? |
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| 07:55.36 | dondelelcaro | garnome is likely to leave your system in a rather broken state unless you know exactly what you're doing. |
| 07:55.51 | Dazgard | because that will mess up the system, when i'll apt-get upgrade :) |
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| 07:56.35 | cartel_ | dondelelcaro: it would be useful for nightly cvs builds |
| 07:56.55 | cartel_ | Dazgard: is /debian not in gnome cvs? |
| 07:57.18 | Dazgard | cartel_ : ?? |
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| 07:57.43 | cartel_ | Dazgard: kde has /debian in svn so that one can build from source at a whim |
| 07:57.49 | dondelelcaro | cartel_: not really... if you want to do nightlies, update the Debian packages from CVS and build the .debs in the usual way |
| 07:57.53 | cartel_ | svn up, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 07:57.58 | cartel_ | lame |
| 07:58.00 | cartel_ | :p |
| 07:58.31 | cartel_ | when the debian maintainer doesnt have cvs commit access, for example :p |
| 07:58.44 | Dazgard | the problem with gnome is taht there are so many package, to build... |
| 07:58.56 | notty | i get this error when i try to connect with pptp to a server: MS-CHAP authentication failed: ^PM-cM-^?M-?ql / sent [LCP TermReq id=0xe "Failed to authenticate ourselves to peer"] / rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Authentication failed"] anyone can help me ? |
| 07:58.57 | dondelelcaro | Dazgard: why are you bothering to build them all, then? |
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| 07:59.09 | Dazgard | it's a real mess without a syste*m like garnome |
| 07:59.18 | cartel_ | notty: wrong password |
| 07:59.43 | Dazgard | dondelelcaro: i juste want to have gnome 2.10.1 :) |
| 07:59.47 | Dazgard | taht's all in fact |
| 07:59.50 | Dazgard | taht |
| 07:59.53 | Dazgard | that's |
| 08:00.35 | dondelelcaro | Dazgard: parts of it are already in unstable. |
| 08:00.40 | dondelelcaro | s/unstable/experimental/ |
| 08:00.40 | Dazgard | i added experemental top my sourcelist, but there are only a few gnome 2.10.x stuff |
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| 08:01.23 | dondelelcaro | Dazgard: almost all of it looks like it is there. See http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:01.39 | Dazgard | dondelelcaro: that's sounds dangerous, "s/unstable/experimental/" :D |
| 08:02.14 | cartel_ | Dazgard: no more dangerous than installing from cvs :p |
| 08:02.35 | Dazgard | cartel_: yes u r right :) |
| 08:03.07 | cartel_ | doesnt 'experimental' mean 'too broken for sid'? |
| 08:03.42 | Dazgard | artel_: i think so |
| 08:04.00 | cartel_ | dondelelcaro: that is gnome 2.10, 3 revisions out of date. Last updated: $Id: package-status.html 2842 2005-04-03 12:34:12Z |
| 08:04.13 | cartel_ | hmm |
| 08:04.23 | cartel_ | ooooooook... |
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| 08:05.51 | gypsymauro | hello, there is a manual/howto on how configure bind on a debian? |
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| 08:07.41 | SlayerXP | gypsymauro: yes. |
| 08:07.47 | coywolf | This is such a misleading name. But it's in use for a rather long time ... <~~ english ok? |
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| 08:08.42 | Dazgard | bye everyone |
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| 08:09.25 | coywolf | anyone could give me english help? |
| 08:09.26 | streuner | dondelelcaro: what window manager do you running actually? |
| 08:11.00 | streuner | coywolf: why, do you need some english lessons? |
| 08:11.16 | streuner | coywolf: ask Guerin, he is a teacher ;-) |
| 08:12.13 | coywolf | streuner, just to check a sentence which i'm going to send out on ML |
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| 08:12.22 | caphuso | ask #english |
| 08:12.36 | streuner | coywolf: just send it, nobody kills you about... |
| 08:13.12 | coywolf | streuner, i want it correct |
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| 08:14.07 | JRe | Hello! |
| 08:14.13 | streuner | coywolf: your english is good enough that everybody can unterstand it, if you going to ask somebody else it isn't your orginal question or statement then... |
| 08:14.54 | coywolf | streuner, still i'd like to improve it |
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| 08:15.07 | coywolf | streuner, plz help |
| 08:15.38 | streuner | coywolf: well, you should help somebody who talk native english then... |
| 08:15.45 | streuner | s/help/ask/ |
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| 08:15.53 | buu | "speak" |
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| 08:16.18 | buu | Well, "speaks really" |
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| 08:17.05 | k-man | anyone use fetchmail to fetch from an ssl pop3 mailbox? |
| 08:17.11 | coywolf | streuner, where are you from? |
| 08:17.16 | Crasp | does anybody here know why makejail doesn't create 2 users in my jailed passwd even when i specify 2 users in the config script? |
| 08:17.18 | k-man | is there a trick to get that going with sarge? |
| 08:17.22 | streuner | coywolf: germany |
| 08:17.29 | caphuso | k-man: hundreds if not thousands of people do |
| 08:17.54 | k-man | caphuso, my version of fetchmail doesn't seem to like the ssl options i give it |
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| 08:18.07 | caphuso | k-man: then you gave it wrong |
| 08:18.29 | k-man | caphuso, i did rtfm |
| 08:18.40 | k-man | and tried every combination i could think of |
| 08:18.52 | Coke | k-man: aisudhaouisdhqi asjkdh dhu |
| 08:19.07 | Coke | k-man: nope, that didn't turn out into english even though I tried many various combinations. :) |
| 08:19.17 | k-man | but is it not possible i have somehow got a version of fetchmail that does not have ssl compile in? |
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| 08:19.46 | Coke | k-man: apt-cache search fetchmail |
| 08:19.55 | k-man | yes, i have done all that thanks coke |
| 08:20.02 | Coke | k-man: note the three packages starting with "fetchmail" |
| 08:20.17 | kevin06 | I'm looking for a recommendation for a nice iPhoto like program. I want to be able to scna my hard drive, organize my pics into Albums and such Any recommendations? |
| 08:20.29 | Coke | k-man: do it again and look carefully at the package names. |
| 08:20.32 | caphuso | Coke: he said he's using sarge |
| 08:20.43 | Coke | ah. |
| 08:20.48 | Coke | in that case it doesn't matter. |
| 08:21.11 | k-man | caphuso, my understanding is that i can add sslproto to a user line and it should force it to check via ssl is that correct? |
| 08:21.18 | caphuso | k-man: "sslproto"? |
| 08:21.23 | k-man | but i just yeah |
| 08:21.26 | k-man | sslproto |
| 08:21.28 | caphuso | WTF is "sslproto"? |
| 08:21.34 | Coke | haha. |
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| 08:21.50 | k-man | sslproto Force ssl protocol for connection |
| 08:22.14 | k-man | i tried just ssl, while fetchmail worked, it did not seem to check via ssl |
| 08:22.37 | notty | when i try to connect with pptp to a server i get this error: Refusing MPPE stateful mode offered by peer / MPPE required but peer negotiation failed / sent [LCP TermReq id=0x14 "MPPE required but peer negotiation failed"] what can i do, i can't find a solution on google ? |
| 08:22.39 | caphuso | k-man: then maybe your remote pop3 doesn't support SSL |
| 08:22.42 | k-man | so i added the sslproto option to be sure |
| 08:22.51 | saintiss | why do /dev/md* devices need to be created with mkfs.jfs? They are not really jfs filesystems, right? |
| 08:22.52 | k-man | caphuso, im assured by the admins that it does |
| 08:23.14 | Coke | k-man: what does it say when it tries to connect? |
| 08:23.16 | erps | is there a way to force a reinstall of a package? hald which is a part of nautilus keeps going belly up on me. |
| 08:23.37 | Coke | erps: --reinstall |
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| 08:27.08 | caphuso | k-man: there's too much you're not telling us |
| 08:27.21 | k-man | caphuso, sorry |
| 08:27.23 | caphuso | "did not seem to check via ssl"... |
| 08:27.37 | k-man | caphuso, my mail host has two hostnames |
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| 08:27.53 | k-man | the way they set it up, i can only check via ssl from one of the host names |
| 08:28.14 | Coke | k-man: how do you know fetchmail isn't fetching the email? |
| 08:28.16 | caphuso | and how's that relevant? |
| 08:28.57 | k-man | so i can tell if ssl worked by fetching mail from the server that does not support ssl |
| 08:29.01 | k-man | and if i get an error |
| 08:29.15 | Coke | you haven't tried yet? |
| 08:29.17 | k-man | it should give me an error if itwas tryingto use ssl to fetch mail from it |
| 08:29.24 | k-man | if you see what i mean |
| 08:29.26 | pyroscroll | i need a lil help untarring something |
| 08:29.32 | Coke | no, I don't see what you mean. |
| 08:29.37 | Coke | give us an error message |
| 08:29.45 | k-man | pyroscroll, whats the file name? |
| 08:29.51 | Coke | pyroscroll: man tar |
| 08:29.54 | caphuso | pyroscroll: /msg dpkg tar |
| 08:30.04 | pyroscroll | Desktop# tar xvfz xampp-linux-1.4.13.tar.gz -c /opt |
| 08:30.04 | pyroscroll | tar: You may not specify more than one `-Acdtrux' option |
| 08:30.04 | pyroscroll | Try `tar --help' for more information. |
| 08:30.21 | Coke | pyroscroll: -c means create, you already stated x for extract |
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| 08:30.36 | k-man | try tar xzvf filename.tar.gz |
| 08:30.57 | Coke | pyroscroll: are you aware that POSIX-systems are case sensitive? |
| 08:31.13 | Coke | pyroscroll: I think you mean -C |
| 08:31.21 | Coke | to change directory |
| 08:31.47 | pyroscroll | sorry |
| 08:31.52 | pyroscroll | it says this on their website |
| 08:31.57 | Coke | who's? |
| 08:32.12 | pyroscroll | http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html#377 |
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| 08:32.30 | Coke | they have an UPPERCASE C there |
| 08:32.33 | pyroscroll | GRRR |
| 08:32.36 | pyroscroll | i am an idiot |
| 08:32.38 | pyroscroll | lol |
| 08:32.39 | Coke | pyroscroll: so, no, they did not say that. |
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| 08:32.47 | pyroscroll | thanks for your help |
| 08:33.23 | Coke | no problem, most non POSIX-users seem to be obvlivious to character case. |
| 08:33.40 | Coke | k-man: how is that error message coming along? |
| 08:33.51 | Coke | k-man: or are you just guessing that it won't work? |
| 08:33.56 | k-man | coke, did anyone ever mention to you that your a dickhead? |
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| 08:34.42 | Coke | k-man: plenty of times. if you run fetchmail in verbose mode (-v) it will give you detailed information. |
| 08:35.10 | jethro | moin |
| 08:35.36 | k-man | ok thanks |
| 08:35.39 | caphuso | even more so with two -v -v |
| 08:35.45 | k-man | i have to go now, i'll play with it more later |
| 08:35.50 | k-man | thanks for your help |
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| 08:37.37 | pyroscroll | can i have folders open up in 1 dialog |
| 08:37.43 | deadcat | shit i think i mainboard on my ibook is starting to fuck up. )= |
| 08:37.54 | Coke | caphuso: we should have a three questions limit per 24H. that way people would have to find all the facts first and who knows, they might even avoid questions like "does anyone use X?" or "can someone help me?" :) |
| 08:37.57 | pyroscroll | and not several, and also put the directory on the top of the title |
| 08:38.02 | caphuso | Coke: hehehe |
| 08:38.13 | Coke | pyroscroll: dialogs? |
| 08:38.20 | pyroscroll | windows |
| 08:38.35 | pyroscroll | 1 window and i can browse to the folder |
| 08:38.42 | pyroscroll | instead of double clickign and a new one |
| 08:38.43 | Coke | pyroscroll: what do you mean browse? |
| 08:38.45 | pyroscroll | pops up |
| 08:38.52 | Coke | pyroscroll: in firefox? |
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| 08:38.56 | pyroscroll | no |
| 08:38.58 | pyroscroll | in gnome |
| 08:39.33 | pyroscroll | like im going to /opt |
| 08:39.38 | pyroscroll | then in there i click a folder |
| 08:39.41 | pyroscroll | a new window pops up |
| 08:39.49 | caphuso | !tell pyroscroll -about enter |
| 08:39.49 | pyroscroll | can i just have this 1 window |
| 08:39.58 | Coke | pyroscroll: ok. since you seem like you're a newcommer to POSIX-systems I need to tell you that there are at least three desktop environments and HUNDREDS of Window Managers that you can use with your GNU/Linux system. All of them work in different ways and are highly customizable so you can't pressume that everybody knows what you are talking about. |
| 08:40.17 | caphuso | that sounds like that spatial crap in nautilus |
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| 08:42.04 | Coke | pyroscroll: think of your GNU system as a buffé of tools and utilities and not the three meal course you get with Windows. ;) |
| 08:42.06 | xopher`wrk | pyroscroll: you can, I believe that option is found somewhere in nautilus-preferences |
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| 08:42.21 | Coke | actualy, Windows is more like a Big Mac. |
| 08:42.23 | xopher`wrk | 'window behaviour' or something |
| 08:42.25 | nevyn | Coke: tv-dinner |
| 08:42.32 | xopher`wrk | I like big macs |
| 08:42.34 | Coke | macaroni and cheese, perhaps? |
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| 08:43.15 | Coke | I really suck for making Windows sound like a three meal course. :( |
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| 08:43.39 | Supaplex | it's a festering pile of manure! |
| 08:43.52 | Coke | No, not really. |
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| 08:44.09 | Coke | But Windows XP comes with the crappiest tools I've ever seen. Compare The GIMP to the paint program that comes with XP. |
| 08:44.14 | Coke | or Notepad to Emacs. |
| 08:44.46 | b33r | how do i addd the directory containing 'glib-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable? |
| 08:44.53 | Coke | The fact that Debian alone can work as a fully fledged gaming station or high-end server without any third-party software is quite an achievement. |
| 08:45.02 | jm_ | b33r: you don't, it's there by default |
| 08:45.06 | b33r | damn |
| 08:45.09 | b33r | well i dont have itt |
| 08:45.29 | b33r | anyone know a package taht conatins glib-2.0.pc? |
| 08:45.29 | Coke | b33r: if you installed using the debian packages or default behaviour of the makefiles. |
| 08:45.40 | jm_ | well it honours FIG_PATH but you're just missing a devel package |
| 08:45.46 | jm_ | b33r: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:45.56 | Coke | jm_: libglib2.0-dev |
| 08:46.02 | Coke | b33r: libglib2.0-dev |
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| 08:46.22 | b33r | i tried searching apt-cache jm_ |
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| 08:46.25 | Coke | b33r: those things related to building software are usualy stuffed into the *-dev packages. |
| 08:46.34 | b33r | thanks coke |
| 08:46.35 | jm_ | that should be PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 08:46.35 | Coke | b33r: apt-cache only searches installed packages. |
| 08:46.39 | kevinv | Can VMWare work with Debian? |
| 08:46.46 | jm_ | b33r: read "/msg dpkg search" again |
| 08:47.04 | Coke | kevinv: yes, but they will not have beer together. |
| 08:47.32 | b33r | so apt-cache search only seaches installed packages? |
| 08:47.34 | b33r | no way |
| 08:47.44 | jm_ | no |
| 08:48.03 | b33r | <Coke> b33r: apt-cache only searches installed packages. |
| 08:48.06 | Coke | b33r: no, it searches the downloaded package info |
| 08:48.17 | b33r | oh |
| 08:48.26 | Coke | b33r: yeah, I didn't mean installed, I meant the downloaded package lists. the cache. |
| 08:48.34 | b33r | rgr |
| 08:48.54 | pyroscroll | well windows is not open source |
| 08:48.54 | kevinv | Coke: Yes, good point, what about qemu? |
| 08:49.00 | Coke | b33r: apt-file is a cool tool that downloads file lists for all packages and allows you to search them. |
| 08:49.19 | pyroscroll | if windows were open source it would be better than it is at the moment |
| 08:49.22 | Coke | kevinv: it is included in Debian |
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| 08:49.40 | b33r | cool thanks coke, the dpkg description of it is a little rough |
| 08:49.58 | kevinv | Coke: But qemu is faster then Bochs right? |
| 08:50.02 | sciboy | Hi, i got Dmix setup simply enough, alsa applications can easily play side by side, but when i use an OSS application, even under AOSS it hogs the soundcard. |
| 08:50.15 | Coke | kevinv: no idea. |
| 08:50.19 | sciboy | I thought dmix would stop that from happening.... |
| 08:50.48 | kevinv | Coke: I'll put them to the test. |
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| 08:51.07 | imka | hi |
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| 08:51.18 | imka | how do i make sudo ask for the user password? |
| 08:51.23 | coywolf | !kexec |
| 08:51.28 | sciboy | Is that suppose to happen? |
| 08:51.29 | coywolf | anony using kexec here? |
| 08:51.30 | jethro | imka: it does by default |
| 08:51.32 | kevinv | Coke: I am trying to run OpenBSD 3.5 under Bochs, abit slow, now I'll try it with qemu. |
| 08:51.36 | coywolf | anyone using kexec here? |
| 08:52.09 | imka | jethro, i currently have "imka ALL=(ALL) ALL" and it doesnt. how should i edit that line? |
| 08:52.21 | jm_ | sciboy: tried #alsa? did you also configure dmix for aoss? |
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| 08:52.44 | imka | i'm reading the manual but i dont get it |
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| 08:52.48 | sciboy | jm_: I left my question in #alsa, still waiting for a reply. |
| 08:52.53 | jethro | imka: I have %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL and all my wheel users use their password to get root |
| 08:52.57 | coywolf | Supaplex, can't you see I am doing s/anony/anyone/ ? |
| 08:53.05 | sciboy | jm_: And i didn't know dmix had to be spcially setup for aoss. |
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| 08:53.49 | jm_ | sciboy: read ALSA Wiki docs, http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 08:54.34 | sciboy | jm_: I read that while i set it up. |
| 08:54.59 | jm_ | sciboy: it's mentioned there |
| 08:55.11 | sciboy | jm_: What specifically? |
| 08:55.20 | Supaplex | coywolf: it was a tip. if you get directly to the problem/issue at hand someone with kexec might speak up. someone with kexec w/little intrest in your unknown question/problem may not care to answer "I use it" until you say why. |
| 08:55.27 | imka | jethro it still doesn ask |
| 08:55.52 | sciboy | jm_: Cause i got it setup as the guide says. |
| 08:56.15 | coywolf | Supaplex, kexec_load failed: Cannot assign requested address |
| 08:56.22 | coywolf | i got that error |
| 08:56.28 | jm_ | sciboy: configure .asoundrc for aoss-testing: and so on |
| 08:57.54 | sciboy | jm_: I already got it setup the way it mentioned. |
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| 08:58.54 | jm_ | sciboy: well that should do it, the part where you configure dsp0 as dmix - luckily I don't have these silly issues |
| 08:59.01 | Supaplex | coywolf: you do realise I'm not any help for the kexec issue right? |
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| 08:59.38 | Supaplex | at anyrate I have no idea what you are doing to see that, or where it's coming from |
| 08:59.52 | sciboy | jm_: Well i do, OSS still hogs the soundcard =P |
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| 09:00.26 | jm_ | sciboy: not for me ;) |
| 09:00.41 | jm_ | Supaplex: kexec is a kernel thing |
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| 09:02.08 | sciboy | jm_: Well atleast i know this isn't suppose to happen =D |
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| 09:02.51 | ericb_ | Hey, whats the deal with Gnu & Linux, can you offer computer solutions using thier software? |
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| 09:03.37 | SlayerXP | ericb_: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 09:04.03 | ericb_ | what about putting Linux in the name of a company like Red Hat Linux, do you have to pay someone to do that? |
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| 09:04.49 | SlayerXP | ericb_: I don't understand the question |
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| 09:05.11 | ericb_ | SlayerXP: Can I register a company name with the name Linux in it? |
| 09:05.28 | SlayerXP | ericb_: If you want legal advice ask a lawyer |
| 09:06.00 | shingouz | ericb_: I think that should be ok too but if you start marketing some product like a toaster or somethign under the brand "linux" i believe Linus will land on you like a ton of bricks. IANAL btw |
| 09:06.09 | imka | does aynone know what i could be doing wrong? sudo doesnt ask my user password by default |
| 09:06.16 | ericb_ | cool |
| 09:06.32 | jethro | imka: man sudo man sudoers |
| 09:06.43 | shingouz | ericb_: Check with a lawyer before you do anything! |
| 09:06.59 | imka | jethro i tried but it tells me that by default it doesnt ask |
| 09:07.11 | ericb_ | Lol, RedHat has Linux in their name and they are a registered brand so why can't I |
| 09:07.41 | ericb_ | Whats the gnu agreement called? |
| 09:07.55 | eye69 | GPL |
| 09:08.13 | ericb_ | what about the GPL for Linux, whats it called? |
| 09:08.19 | shingouz | GPL |
| 09:08.26 | eye69 | ericb_: Linux uses the GPL |
| 09:08.31 | ericb_ | same for both? Cool |
| 09:08.40 | shingouz | What is this? Jeopardy? |
| 09:08.46 | ericb_ | lol |
| 09:08.47 | eye69 | It's the "GNU General Public License" |
| 09:08.58 | ericb_ | How do you set up ispell, is it easy, or two day job |
| 09:09.18 | ericb_ | depends on you skill level eh |
| 09:09.30 | sep | imka: man sudoers look at the authenticate flag, it that dosnt help use the PASSWD entry in your sudo entries |
| 09:09.35 | shingouz | ericb_: What do you mean with the original question? |
| 09:10.07 | ericb_ | do I just install ispell, and it works? let me see if I have it installed |
| 09:10.21 | ericb_ | I am using abiword, and I wanted to do spell check |
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| 09:10.43 | shingouz | ericb_: Just apt-get it into place and it should be there ready to use |
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| 09:11.38 | jethro | imka: you have a trojaned sudo/sudoers manpage or a lying one then |
| 09:11.52 | jethro | imka: or you are yourself a liar |
| 09:12.19 | shingouz | jethro: That last one was not nice at this point |
| 09:12.58 | jethro | shingouz: it's just a summary of the possible options |
| 09:13.26 | shingouz | jethro: True but not nice in anycase |
| 09:14.13 | jethro | imka: apologies for calling you a liar, lets say you just need to read more carefully |
| 09:14.20 | shingouz | :) |
| 09:14.25 | jethro | :) |
| 09:14.46 | shingouz | !beer jethro |
| 09:14.51 | shingouz | !beer imka |
| 09:14.55 | jethro | la maudite? |
| 09:15.01 | jethro | what's this? some belgian stuff? |
| 09:15.06 | shingouz | La b33r :) |
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| 09:15.26 | lehel | hello |
| 09:15.29 | jethro | hi lehel |
| 09:15.33 | lehel | need help (dselect) |
| 09:15.38 | shingouz | You'd better ask dpkg about that beer, he might know better |
| 09:15.41 | shingouz | !ask |
| 09:15.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 09:15.55 | jethro | dpkg: la maudite |
| 09:16.01 | Ronin | jethro: la maudite is a quebec beer, its from the devil all right |
| 09:16.16 | jethro | Ronin: yeah I just googled |
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| 09:16.21 | lehel | cum pot sa dau UNDO la pachetele marcate? |
| 09:16.31 | jethro | dpkg: la maudite is <reply> see http://www.unibroue.com/produits/maudite.cfm |
| 09:16.32 | dpkg | jethro: okay |
| 09:16.34 | shingouz | lehel: Huh? |
| 09:16.38 | lehel | sorry |
| 09:16.50 | lehel | i have a dselect problem |
| 09:17.01 | jethro | dselect is a problem itselft |
| 09:17.05 | jethro | s/ft/f/ |
| 09:17.08 | shingouz | True... |
| 09:17.12 | jethro | :) |
| 09:17.12 | lehel | i want to UNDO marked packages |
| 09:17.17 | lehel | i know now :) |
| 09:17.23 | lehel | but i still want to do that :D |
| 09:17.41 | rope | The dist-upgrade breaks on PostgreSQL 7.4.7-6 on Sarge (testing). anybody with the same experience? |
| 09:17.54 | shingouz | hmm.. been a long time since I used dselect... lemmesee. |
| 09:17.56 | jethro | lehel: I know it's not an answer, but you should consider using modern frontyends for your package management system :p |
| 09:18.06 | jethro | s/tye/te/ |
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| 09:18.29 | shingouz | lehel: Did the man page say anything useful? |
| 09:18.32 | idealbsd | I install amavis-new and clamav then do as http://www.clues.ltd.uk/howto/debian-sa-fprot-HOWTO.txt, but the mail posted by exim without "X-Virus-Scanned: by...", i just remember do (apt-get install libnet-smtp-server-perl), it works! is this the key point? |
| 09:18.34 | jethro | rope: did you check the bts yet? |
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| 09:18.45 | lehel | no |
| 09:18.48 | lehel | it didn't |
| 09:18.49 | lehel | :) |
| 09:18.52 | jethro | !confuse idealbsd |
| 09:18.52 | dpkg | Yes, them are your mushroom yesterday, idealbsd? wellies of the democracy of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 09:18.53 | lehel | thats why i came here :) |
| 09:19.03 | rope | jethro: what is bts? |
| 09:19.12 | jethro | !tell rope -about bts |
| 09:19.21 | jethro | rope: read what dpkg just /msg'ed |
| 09:19.34 | lehel | jethro: modern frontends? |
| 09:19.38 | shingouz | lehel: The opposite effect, to back out any selections change requests and go |
| 09:19.39 | shingouz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.39 | shingouz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.43 | jethro | lehel: yeah, like aptitude, and so on |
| 09:19.58 | rope | jethro: thank you... |
| 09:20.08 | shingouz | Damn, seems to me that it was three lines... dang |
| 09:20.11 | shingouz | sorry |
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| 09:20.25 | jethro | rope: you're welcome |
| 09:20.37 | shingouz | lehel: And that was from the man page ;) |
| 09:21.02 | jethro | !lart lehel for not reading manpage carefully and pretending they lack information (which is often true with GNU manpages) |
| 09:21.28 | shingouz | Some lart that one :) |
| 09:21.32 | lehel | not working! |
| 09:21.48 | shingouz | Upper case X lehel |
| 09:22.00 | pyroscroll | should i use linux for audio, is it any good? |
| 09:22.01 | lehel | tryed!.. SHIFT "x" |
| 09:22.13 | shingouz | Try escape then lehel |
| 09:22.16 | jethro | pyroscroll: what are you trying to ask? |
| 09:22.18 | pyroscroll | (are there any applications for multitrack recording etc.) |
| 09:22.34 | lehel | ESC is not working |
| 09:22.39 | jethro | pyroscroll: you mean sequencers, etc? |
| 09:22.45 | pyroscroll | yeah, samplers |
| 09:22.48 | pyroscroll | etc. |
| 09:22.51 | jethro | pyroscroll: yes there are |
| 09:22.56 | jmd | dpkg: That's because in GNU man pages are allways unofficial. |
| 09:22.57 | dpkg | jmd: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:23.06 | jethro | pyroscroll: both opensource and commercial products afaict |
| 09:23.13 | shingouz | lehel: Well those are the things that the manpage tells you to use, I am fresh out of ideas at this point |
| 09:23.15 | lehel | i tried to remove dselect.. but still remains the .. |
| 09:23.18 | jethro | jmd: unofficial? |
| 09:23.25 | jethro | jmd: dpkg is a bot by the way |
| 09:23.27 | pyroscroll | because linux i hear is so stable, i wonder if i can use it as audio performance tool |
| 09:23.34 | shingouz | lehel: Why the hell are you trying to remove dselect then? |
| 09:23.56 | jethro | !fgi pyroscroll linux+sequencer+sampler |
| 09:23.57 | dpkg | pyroscroll: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=linux+sequencer+sampler |
| 09:24.00 | jmd | jethro: Clever bot. |
| 09:24.06 | jethro | jmd: indeed |
| 09:24.22 | shingouz | lehel: Besides, how many packages is dselect trying to remove in the first place? |
| 09:24.25 | jethro | I can't fuckinggoogleit from the office :[ |
| 09:24.33 | lehel | any ideeas of where i could find the config files of dselect.. ?? |
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| 09:24.40 | jethro | damn stupid badword lists in the proxy |
| 09:24.57 | lehel | shingouz: 35-40 |
| 09:25.03 | jethro | lehel: dpkg -L dselect tells you which files did dselect package add to your system |
| 09:25.07 | lehel | and to install: 60 |
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| 09:25.36 | pyroscroll | what drivers should i use for audio? how do i use them? |
| 09:25.41 | shingouz | lehel: So? That is not too bad. What did it try to do or why are you in that situation? |
| 09:26.11 | jm_ | sciboy: it doesn't happen for me because my card supports it, not because I use dmix |
| 09:26.11 | jethro | pyroscroll: I suggest you use alsa |
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| 09:26.30 | Kamping_in_doze | sorry if this questions covered in faqs, but didnt see it. What steps can be taken when a server is rootkitted? IE. what tools do i need to find and use? |
| 09:26.48 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: dump the filesystem |
| 09:26.56 | lehel | shingouz: i've tryed to remove something, it was a mistake .. but i've pressed enter :) and install |
| 09:26.57 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: then reinstall, and forensic the dump |
| 09:26.59 | jmd | Kamping_in_doze: chkrootkit |
| 09:27.00 | shingouz | Kamping_in_doze: Nuke and pave |
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| 09:27.02 | lehel | but nothing is changed |
| 09:27.14 | lehel | i mean.. nothing its installed or remove |
| 09:27.16 | jethro | chkrootkit will just catch kiddies |
| 09:27.17 | sciboy | jm_: YESS!!! GOT IT WORKING XD |
| 09:27.31 | lehel | just showing that it wants to remove or install |
| 09:27.39 | lehel | and i want to change that :D |
| 09:27.39 | Kamping_in_doze | jmd. what for forensic? is there tools in the repositries? |
| 09:27.49 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: tct is nice |
| 09:27.56 | lehel | but i guess the best thing to do.. is to uninstall dselect :) |
| 09:28.02 | Kamping_in_doze | k. thanks. |
| 09:28.05 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: depends on what you want to forensic really |
| 09:28.07 | jm_ | sciboy: so what was it? |
| 09:28.23 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro. i want to know whats bitten me. thats all. |
| 09:28.30 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: computer forensic is not supported here, you'd better find some information on the internet, or dedicated chans (which I doubt exist) |
| 09:28.36 | shingouz | lehel: So why not let it do it then. If you updated the cache before you went into the select phase it should update the system when you exit the select stage |
| 09:28.42 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: do you keep up to date with patches? |
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| 09:28.50 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: I mean security updates |
| 09:29.07 | shingouz | lehel: Uninstalling dselect at this point will fuck up your system seriously btw |
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| 09:29.21 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro. i just took over the system about a week ago. i believe the system is updated about every 10 days |
| 09:29.46 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: look at user passwords, network services which might be vulnerable and exposed |
| 09:29.48 | ircdevil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:30.05 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: if you have week passwords, then check for local vulnerabilities |
| 09:30.11 | jethro | s/week/weak/ |
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| 09:30.56 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: password guessing through ssh is rather common nowadays |
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| 09:31.09 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro. im running john the ripper on the passwords list now.... and already found 15 username=password jobs :O |
| 09:31.31 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: so you're no longer guessing how they got in |
| 09:31.47 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: what's the kernel version on the compromised system? |
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| 09:32.11 | ircdevil | gotit |
| 09:32.13 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: uname -a will tell you (in case yo_u don't know) |
| 09:32.16 | Kamping_in_doze | 2.4 somthing iirc. im not there at the moment im afraid :( |
| 09:32.46 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: bingo, I bet they used some local holes in the kernel, like ptrace, or mmap or the do_brk one |
| 09:33.13 | Kamping_in_doze | right. |
| 09:33.29 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: LESSON 1 -> dont leave joes accounts |
| 09:33.42 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: LESSON 2 -> keep up to date with security fixes |
| 09:34.11 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: lesson 3 -> bury your computer 20 feets under the ground, and locked in a safe |
| 09:34.14 | jethro | heh |
| 09:34.34 | chris-harry | and eat the key... um, how do i get security updates (using knoppix) |
| 09:34.47 | jethro | chris-harry: you /j #knoppix and ask there |
| 09:34.52 | shingouz | jethro: You forgot the third and most important rule |
| 09:34.55 | Kamping_in_doze | lol :/ its a server that runns thin clients, so lesson 3 might have to be skipped :( |
| 09:35.02 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: :) |
| 09:35.08 | jethro | shingouz: and what is it? |
| 09:35.27 | shingouz | jethro: Make sure your users understand the importance of hard passwords. Use a big lart to enforce them |
| 09:35.38 | ericb_ | i installed ispell. when I run ispell it looks for /usr/lib/ispell which isn't there. Where else are libraries? |
| 09:35.39 | shingouz | ...or just use a lart :) |
| 09:35.40 | chris-harry | thanks jethro |
| 09:35.43 | jethro | shingouz: or don't use PasswordAuthentication :p |
| 09:35.49 | jethro | chris-harry: you're welcome |
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| 09:36.18 | pyroscroll | i got the alsa driver folder extracted to my desktop, where should it go |
| 09:36.19 | jethro | that's another option |
| 09:36.26 | kjparker | is anybody aware of a problem with ftp.au.debian.org? |
| 09:36.35 | jethro | otoh, lusers hardly use keypairs to authenticate, so all in all |
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| 09:36.39 | kjparker | i keep getting permission denied when i apt-get update |
| 09:36.43 | shingouz | jethro: True |
| 09:36.47 | jethro | kjparker: just be root |
| 09:36.51 | ericb_ | I am gonna try and install ispell using aptitude and see if it install correct |
| 09:36.59 | jethro | kjparker: nevermind, use another server |
| 09:37.06 | shingouz | ericb_: It should |
| 09:37.25 | pyroscroll | ftp.us.debian.org runs 10 mbit upload very easily |
| 09:37.28 | pyroscroll | try that one |
| 09:37.53 | kjparker | it's not bad to edit sources.list by hand is it? |
| 09:37.55 | jethro | pyroscroll: he used .au, he might want something physically closer to him |
| 09:38.08 | shingouz | kjparker: If you are in .au, try something close to home, maybe jp or sg or something |
| 09:38.09 | jethro | kjparker: either that, if youknow what you're doing, or use apt-setup |
| 09:38.24 | ericb_ | shingouz: I know it should but it doesn't on my system, maybe cause I am using woody |
| 09:38.35 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro, the systems running |
| 09:38.36 | Kamping_in_doze | Linux server 2.4.26-1-386 #1 Wed Aug 25 18:43:06 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:38.41 | shingouz | hmm... |
| 09:38.59 | jethro | hmmm |
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| 09:39.18 | ericb_ | shingouz: You think maybe trying with aptitude makes a difference, or is it exact same thing, since aptitude is basically front end of apt-get |
| 09:39.18 | liable | kjparker: try the url in a browser and see what happens |
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| 09:39.34 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: I bet they used some uselib exploit |
| 09:39.41 | kjparker | oh, well, the us one works... the au one must be borked |
| 09:39.47 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: run chkrootkit and look for hidden files/directories |
| 09:39.47 | liable | kjparker: no, not at all, apt-setup's easier though |
| 09:40.07 | jethro | editing sources.list is faster though :p |
| 09:40.11 | liable | kjparker: planet mirror was down the other day, might be again |
| 09:40.14 | shingouz | ericb_: Same thing jsut a different frontend |
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| 09:40.18 | kjparker | just did it, updating now |
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| 09:40.33 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro, running chkrootkit is what made me start worrying :| |
| 09:40.42 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: what does it report? |
| 09:40.47 | kjparker | hmm, need to find a nice fast au mirror |
| 09:40.53 | jethro | !tell Kamping_in_doze -about paste |
| 09:40.57 | ericb_ | shingouz: Oh, what the back end of both? |
| 09:41.10 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: read what dpkg said, and paste the output of chkrootkit accordingly |
| 09:41.14 | shingouz | ericb_: dpkg |
| 09:41.17 | Kamping_in_doze | re running. it was reporting lkm (?sp) trojan |
| 09:41.26 | ericb_ | shingouz, I see! |
| 09:41.29 | kjparker | only getting 20kb from that us mirror |
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| 09:41.40 | pyroscroll | :( |
| 09:41.44 | pyroscroll | sorry |
| 09:41.50 | shingouz | kjparker: Get something a bit closer |
| 09:42.15 | shingouz | Bah... of to do something useful for a change |
| 09:42.28 | liable | you'll be back :) |
| 09:42.28 | pyroscroll | the us and au must be separated by a phone wire |
| 09:42.31 | pyroscroll | lol |
| 09:42.47 | kjparker | lol |
| 09:42.58 | ericb_ | shingouz: would tasksel be a front end of dpkg and backend of aptitidue, or no relation between aptitude and tasksel. |
| 09:43.06 | jethro | ericb_: no relation |
| 09:43.13 | jethro | ericb_: and tasksel sucks goats |
| 09:43.15 | pyroscroll | or a waterhose |
| 09:43.17 | pyroscroll | lol |
| 09:43.20 | ericb_ | jethro, no doubt |
| 09:43.20 | jethro | ericb_: even worse than dselect |
| 09:43.24 | kjparker | probably a stupid question, but where do i find a list of mirrors? |
| 09:43.32 | jethro | kjparker: www.debian.org |
| 09:43.35 | kjparker | i can't seem to find them... |
| 09:43.38 | jethro | kjparker: or apt-setup has it |
| 09:43.44 | ericb_ | so, all those are front ends of dpkg, and none have any relation to each other |
| 09:43.46 | kjparker | yes, but that's cheating |
| 09:43.47 | jethro | s/it/one/ |
| 09:43.50 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro, can you open a chat window to me? i dont know how with this client :/ |
| 09:43.53 | jethro | kjparker: cheating? |
| 09:43.55 | kjparker | :) |
| 09:44.02 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: I don't want you to /msg me |
| 09:44.04 | jethro | !paste |
| 09:44.05 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 09:44.15 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: use what dpkg told about paste |
| 09:44.19 | liable | kjparker: getting connection refused from ftp.debian.au too, must be down |
| 09:44.44 | Kamping_in_doze | in flood? |
| 09:45.02 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: I d rather have you use channels.debian.net/paste |
| 09:45.11 | Kamping_in_doze | ok |
| 09:45.25 | pyroscroll | hey where should i put the also driver |
| 09:45.27 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: annouce the url |
| 09:45.34 | liable | jethro: dont spose you tried wvdial today on your pabx? |
| 09:45.34 | pyroscroll | i just extracted it to my desktop |
| 09:45.40 | pyroscroll | ala |
| 09:45.41 | *** part/#debian fosco (fosco@hellfire.frontier.fr) |
| 09:45.42 | pyroscroll | alsa |
| 09:45.50 | jethro | pyroscroll: if you have a 2.6 kernel, it's already there |
| 09:45.56 | pyroscroll | i do |
| 09:45.59 | jethro | liable: didn't you get it working ? wasn't it a case issue? |
| 09:46.03 | jethro | pyroscroll: debian kernel image? |
| 09:46.07 | pyroscroll | THATS BS lol my recording dosent work |
| 09:46.08 | liable | pyroscroll: just install alsa-base and utils |
| 09:46.21 | liable | jethro: think it was a fluke last night. |
| 09:46.25 | jethro | pyroscroll: that's not bs, that's pebcak |
| 09:46.28 | Kamping_in_doze | http://channels.debian.net/paste/113 |
| 09:46.42 | jethro | !dict fluke |
| 09:46.43 | pyroscroll | how do i do that liable |
| 09:46.44 | dpkg | Dictionary 'fluke' (2 of 6): . Fluke \Fluke\ (fl[=u]k), n. [Cf. AS. fl[=o]c a kind of flatfish, Icel. fl[=o]ki a kind of halibut.] 1. (Zo["o]l.) The European flounder. See Flounder. [Written also fleuk, flook, and flowk]. [1913 Webster] ;; 3. An instrument for cleaning out a hole drilled in stone for blasting.. |
| 09:47.06 | kjparker | hmm, wonder if i can find a mirror that will give me more than 50kb donwload... |
| 09:47.10 | liable | jethro: tried again today and it baulked, so moved the no carrier line up in the conf, and connected again, now I'm too scared to disconnect :) |
| 09:47.40 | liable | jethro: also changed it to 'no' |
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| 09:48.12 | jethro | liable: heh I didn't think of taking my laptop with, as I left home in a hurry. apologies |
| 09:48.15 | sciboy | jm_: Bah, go figure the only application i set this whole thing up for still causes problems. |
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| 09:48.19 | jethro | liable: and also, I thought your problem was fixed |
| 09:48.28 | liable | jethro: no probs, I did too :) |
| 09:48.28 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro, anythinge else you need i can display :/ short of a root password |
| 09:48.31 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: what is worrying you in chkrootkit's output? |
| 09:48.34 | pyroscroll | Linux trivesta 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Mon Jan 24 02:32:52 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:48.46 | sciboy | jm_: Is there an alternative OSS device i could point the application to so it will stop hogging the soundcard? |
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| 09:49.02 | Kamping_in_doze | the users that was deleted. |
| 09:49.13 | Kamping_in_doze | they werent. |
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| 09:49.24 | mhale | hi all |
| 09:49.29 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: you mean they are still declared on the system? |
| 09:49.33 | Kamping_in_doze | there was also somthing else before, but it appears to not be reporting now :( |
| 09:49.37 | Kamping_in_doze | yes. |
| 09:49.42 | pyroscroll | how do i setup alsa |
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| 09:49.50 | Kamping_in_doze | the user was using it when i noticed htey were "deleted" |
| 09:49.55 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: are they rogue users or expected users? |
| 09:49.58 | pyroscroll | cuz the o/s seems to use my soundcard alright but when i hit record on any application they freeze up |
| 09:50.03 | jethro | hold on I get a phone call |
| 09:50.06 | Kamping_in_doze | expected |
| 09:50.07 | Kamping_in_doze | ok |
| 09:50.08 | mhale | i just did apt-cache search lame and there isnt a lame package... there is glame and toolame though. how would i get 'normal' lame that hooks up to sound juicer? |
| 09:50.24 | liable | pyroscroll: you can hear sound ok? |
| 09:50.29 | pyroscroll | i seem to |
| 09:50.32 | chris-harry | ok, i've tried asking at the #knoppix thing, about how to get security updates, but no ones answering... anyway, i know knoppix is debian based (if i speel anything wrong sorry)... and was wondering if the command line is the same |
| 09:50.38 | pyroscroll | games work with sound, so does the streaming application |
| 09:51.27 | liable | pyroscroll: hmmm, dunno much about recording, sorry |
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| 09:51.46 | pyroscroll | i hit record |
| 09:51.49 | pyroscroll | on sound recorder |
| 09:51.49 | liable | pyroscroll: logs maybe for a clue |
| 09:51.52 | pyroscroll | and it just freezes |
| 09:51.58 | pyroscroll | onvce buitton goes down |
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| 09:52.59 | liable | mhale: toolame? |
| 09:53.03 | cahoot | mhale: got non-free in apt sources? |
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| 09:53.14 | pyroscroll | is there a command to see if the alsa sees my sound card |
| 09:53.22 | pyroscroll | or some way to configure alsa |
| 09:53.47 | Guerin | pyroscroll: alsaconfig |
| 09:53.51 | cahoot | pyroscroll: read /proc/asound/pcm |
| 09:53.54 | jethro | hi Guerin |
| 09:53.55 | Guerin | insane as that might sound |
| 09:54.04 | liable | hehe |
| 09:54.07 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: I ll be right back, need to send a fax asap |
| 09:54.08 | Guerin | jethro: hail fellow, well met |
| 09:54.14 | Kamping_in_doze | ok |
| 09:54.23 | pyroscroll | alsaconfig dosent do anything |
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| 09:54.27 | pyroscroll | says command not found |
| 09:54.33 | Guerin | !installit |
| 09:54.34 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 09:54.34 | mhale | cahoot: yes, i have non-free and non-US/non-free in there |
| 09:54.44 | liable | pyroscroll: install alsa-base, alsa-utils |
| 09:54.50 | liable | mhale: toolame |
| 09:54.53 | pyroscroll | dont know how |
| 09:54.55 | mhale | liable: do you mean thats the right package? |
| 09:55.06 | liable | mhale: looks to be |
| 09:55.10 | mhale | great, thanks :) |
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| 09:55.49 | liable | pyroscroll: what does lsmod show as snd modules? |
| 09:55.59 | liable | pyroscroll: what kernel? |
| 09:56.11 | Guerin | pyroscroll: aptitude |
| 09:56.15 | pyroscroll | Linux trivesta 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Mon Jan 24 02:32:52 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:56.31 | Guerin | he needs to get alsa-base and alsa-utils installed |
| 09:56.42 | liable | pyroscroll: and snd modules > #flood |
| 09:56.51 | liable | Guerin: yep |
| 09:57.01 | pyroscroll | what? |
| 09:57.13 | Guerin | !tell pyroscroll about fundamentals |
| 09:57.16 | pyroscroll | liable im very new to linux, sorry |
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| 09:57.23 | liable | pyroscroll: oss or alsa modules loaded? |
| 09:57.26 | Guerin | pyroscroll: dude, you're really new to this all, aintcha |
| 09:57.31 | liable | pyroscroll: what soundcard? |
| 09:57.43 | pyroscroll | soundblaster ensoniq audiopci |
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| 09:58.43 | liable | pyroscroll: lsmod, and paste *2* sound modules here |
| 09:58.45 | drac | pyroscroll: definately supported by ALSA. apt-get install alsa-base, run alsaconf, add yourself to audio group (adduser pyroscroll audio), logout, login.. done? ;) |
| 09:59.01 | liable | should do it |
| 10:00.03 | cozwei | i installed the kiosk-admin-tool, which needs the fish-protocol. but my kde seems to doesn't support the fish-protocol. how can i make my kde supporting fish-protocol? |
| 10:00.48 | idealbsd | before using alsaconf do lsmod | xargs rmmod snd* |
| 10:01.04 | cozwei | !fish |
| 10:01.04 | dpkg | i guess fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://www.p-nand-q.com/maldives/rbr/fish/sf25.jpg |
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| 10:01.29 | pyroscroll | will it now load this everytime? |
| 10:01.53 | lindi- | that url http://www.p-nand-q.com/maldives/rbr/fish/sf25.jpg is 404 btw |
| 10:02.13 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: ok, I m back. have a look at both users homedirectory, specifically look at their shell history files |
| 10:02.16 | liable | pyroscroll: alsaconf worked? |
| 10:02.25 | Kamping_in_doze | k |
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| 10:02.57 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro, what do you want to know? |
| 10:03.02 | idealbsd | after set amavis work with exim4, the mails post to localhost all with "X-Virus-Scanned: by ..." but the mails posted to others hosts without "X-Virus-Scanned: by ..."? |
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| 10:03.10 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: nothing. You want to know what these users did |
| 10:03.21 | Kamping_in_doze | ok |
| 10:03.21 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: I didn't have my computer compromised, you did :p |
| 10:03.23 | pyroscroll | yes |
| 10:03.27 | pyroscroll | everything seems to work |
| 10:03.38 | sciboy | Bah. |
| 10:03.52 | Kamping_in_doze | :( |
| 10:04.03 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: what's wrong? |
| 10:04.18 | liable | pyroscroll: fixed? |
| 10:04.19 | sciboy | Still can't get WineX, ALSA-OSS and dmix working together. |
| 10:04.33 | saintiss | if you add a device to a degraded RAID-1 array with mdadm -a, how does mdadm know to synchronize which device to which? |
| 10:04.38 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro, its just stressing me out, thats all |
| 10:04.49 | sciboy | And the game just goes completely silent under normal ALSA =/ |
| 10:04.53 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: what's this server's duty? |
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| 10:05.23 | Kamping_in_doze | it runs about 15 thin clients. |
| 10:05.32 | ericb_ | I am searching for a howto on formaming floppy disk, besides kfloppy |
| 10:05.47 | rope | fdformat? |
| 10:06.00 | sep | saintiss: becouse you tell it with mdadm's arguments iirc |
| 10:06.01 | ericb_ | thx rob |
| 10:06.07 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: thin clients to what? (and try to prefix messages addressed to me with jethro:, so it's easier for me to follow :p) |
| 10:06.12 | hi32r3 | If i am a root user and i need to know who else has root access on server... how to find? |
| 10:06.18 | kjparker | anyone know the name of the rdp client, to connect to a ms terminal server |
| 10:06.28 | jm_ | rdesktop |
| 10:06.33 | jethro | hi32r3: you need to know who has the password |
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| 10:06.42 | jethro | kjparker: rdesktop/grdesktop |
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| 10:06.52 | kjparker | gr = gnome? |
| 10:06.57 | lindi- | hi32r3: change the password and you can be sure that only you have access :) |
| 10:07.15 | liable | hi32r3: change it, and the others will surely complain :) |
| 10:07.15 | Guerin | lindi-: ahem, ssh keys. |
| 10:07.19 | jethro | kjparker: dunno if it's gnome related, but it's a gui. rdesktop is cmdline only |
| 10:07.31 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro. they use it mainly for office work, the thin clients are boxes that boot to x, and hand the work over to the server from there |
| 10:07.43 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: aight |
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| 10:08.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 794] by debhelper |
| 10:08.08 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 10:08.08 | kjparker | cmd line only to control a gui? |
| 10:08.10 | freewoody | How do I instal Qmail in Debian |
| 10:08.11 | kjparker | lol |
| 10:08.14 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: could you have another system configured the same way, but up to date, and replace your compromised host with it? |
| 10:08.28 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: it would allow you to go on doing this forensic without having to fear anything |
| 10:08.43 | jethro | !hdii qmail |
| 10:08.44 | dpkg | How Do I Install qmail ? try apt-cache search qmail, then apt-get install the appropriate package(s). Better yet, man apt-cache and man apt-get |
| 10:08.51 | SlayerXP | freewoody: apt-get install qmail-src |
| 10:08.58 | liable | freewoody: debain or ubuntu? |
| 10:09.06 | liable | debian even |
| 10:09.11 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro. the main server died about 3 days ago, on my first day :( which means this is the only box that can do the job. it cant do a good job, its a p3 600MHz :/ |
| 10:09.14 | freewoody | I am using Debian |
| 10:09.22 | SlayerXP | liable: debian, if it were ubuntu he'd be in #ubuntu |
| 10:09.23 | freewoody | I don't see: qmail-scr |
| 10:09.32 | SlayerXP | freewoody: no, you wouldn't |
| 10:09.33 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: what did it die from? :) |
| 10:09.36 | kjparker | ubuntu? isn't that a knoppix like debian based distro? |
| 10:09.40 | jethro | SlayerXP: not necessary :) |
| 10:09.44 | liable | SlayerXP: ::: freewoody [~bill@202.79.52.59] has joined #ubuntu |
| 10:09.46 | SlayerXP | freewoody: 'src' and 'scr' are not the same thing |
| 10:09.51 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro, not sure, just halted and didnt come up again |
| 10:09.59 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: aight |
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| 10:10.09 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: it was about time the previous admin left :) |
| 10:10.10 | freewoody | Well I don't see qmail-src |
| 10:10.23 | SlayerXP | bad luck. try exim instead. |
| 10:10.23 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro. my first day there |
| 10:10.29 | freewoody | I am using Debain Sarge 3.1 |
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| 10:10.47 | freewoody | Well Qmail is much better than Exim |
| 10:10.49 | jethro | freewoody: what does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 say ? |
| 10:10.50 | freewoody | I heard |
| 10:11.10 | cafuego | freewoody: you heard wrong. |
| 10:11.12 | rope | freewody: postfix is also good |
| 10:11.13 | freewoody | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 10:11.19 | Guerin | qmail is appalling |
| 10:11.19 | jethro | freewoody: thanks |
| 10:11.24 | _zao_ | "You have new mail." on logging in. what generates this message? |
| 10:11.25 | jethro | !start an mta war |
| 10:11.25 | dpkg | qmail owns |
| 10:11.26 | cafuego | freewoody: Well, you probably heard right, but whoever was speaking was an idiot. |
| 10:11.31 | jethro | dpkg: shut up |
| 10:11.31 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 10:11.35 | jethro | :) |
| 10:11.43 | freewoody | So how do I install Qmail in Debian |
| 10:11.53 | Guerin | freewoody: if you have any good sense, you don't. |
| 10:12.01 | freewoody | why ? |
| 10:12.04 | cafuego | freewoody: qmail isn't packaghes, because it has a shit licence. |
| 10:12.23 | Guerin | well, it IS packaged |
| 10:12.27 | streuner_ | !qmail |
| 10:12.28 | dpkg | from memory, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html, or ... |
| 10:12.30 | freewoody | Where can I find installing and configuring Exim for Debian |
| 10:12.32 | Guerin | but it's just a tarball and a script to build it |
| 10:12.33 | cafuego | freewoody: Do you know why you don't want to use exim? |
| 10:12.37 | jethro | freewoody: in debian you want postfix or exim |
| 10:12.37 | rope | freewoody: try postfix, have it running for years with no problem... |
| 10:12.38 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro. the only remote connections reported by "last" are by me and another admin |
| 10:12.46 | Guerin | freewoody: apt-get install mail-transfer-agent; done |
| 10:12.53 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: did diane and janet ever login? |
| 10:12.53 | streuner_ | Guerin: so that's not a real problem then? |
| 10:12.55 | kjparker | another stupid question, is there a way to automagicaly add packages to the start menu when you install them? |
| 10:13.06 | cafuego | kjparker: That already happens. |
| 10:13.21 | kjparker | i must be doing something wrong |
| 10:13.25 | jethro | kjparker: add menu entries correpsonding to installed packages? |
| 10:13.27 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro. diane is reported to have logged in today, but i dont *know*. |
| 10:13.27 | kjparker | cause it's not happening.... |
| 10:13.33 | idealbsd | which is better choose when need imap, courier-imap-ssl? |
| 10:13.38 | Guerin | streuner_: it IS a problem, because it doesn't make qmail any more free |
| 10:13.44 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: check the source of the connections |
| 10:13.53 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro. janet was logged in when i saw she was reported as deleted, and last reports her being there |
| 10:13.59 | liable | kjparker: which start menu? |
| 10:14.00 | freewoody | Can Exim handle more than 500 clients |
| 10:14.12 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro. all from inside the network |
| 10:14.13 | streuner_ | hell, of course |
| 10:14.29 | kjparker | the little gnome footprint menu! |
| 10:14.30 | kjparker | :) |
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| 10:14.54 | streuner_ | freewoody: keep in mind debian use exim... |
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| 10:15.26 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: is this machine accessible from the outside? |
| 10:15.33 | ericb_ | Comment: fdformat is not in the manual page help (xman) directory |
| 10:15.39 | Kamping_in_doze | yes. im connected now |
| 10:15.39 | liable | kjparker: does gnome have a menu updating thing? |
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| 10:15.48 | kjparker | i don't know... |
| 10:15.55 | kjparker | i'm a gnome newbie |
| 10:16.00 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: from the internet? |
| 10:16.02 | liable | kjparker: well, time to fing out :) |
| 10:16.12 | kjparker | actually this is my first non knoppix debian box.... |
| 10:16.14 | kjparker | :) |
| 10:16.27 | jethro | kjparker: how do you like it? |
| 10:16.29 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro, yes. is there a way to check where a person connected *to*? |
| 10:16.45 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: depends on what the person used |
| 10:16.45 | kjparker | runs faster than the windows xp that was on here before! |
| 10:16.46 | kjparker | :) |
| 10:17.00 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro, ssh? |
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| 10:17.03 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: if ssh was used, check $HOME/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 10:17.14 | Kamping_in_doze | hm. ok. |
| 10:17.14 | liable | kjparker: go to control centre or whatever its called |
| 10:17.18 | kjparker | this is a celeron 400, with 128mb ram |
| 10:17.38 | kjparker | ok, i will find it, but it should already be doing it right? |
| 10:17.42 | vekpos | hi! i installed a new nvidia graphic-driver, and now Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". appears by starting tuxracer for axample |
| 10:17.48 | Kamping_in_doze | jethro, should reboots be in the 'last' history? |
| 10:17.56 | jethro | !tell vekpos -about nvidia |
| 10:17.58 | jethro | Kamping_in_doze: yes |
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| 10:18.25 | jethro | vekpos: how did you install? |
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| 10:18.49 | liable | kjparker: depends on the app and compatibility I spose |
| 10:18.51 | hi32r3 | what is pakto |
| 10:19.07 | kjparker | all the apps i have installed have been through apt-get..... |
| 10:19.29 | kjparker | hmm, i still need to install skype..... |
| 10:19.34 | vekpos | uhm wait |
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| 10:19.34 | Skaag | How do I get grsecurity for kernel-source-2.6.11? |
| 10:19.35 | kjparker | wonder if there is a package |
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| 10:20.03 | jethro | Skaag: you apt-cache search it |
| 10:20.09 | vekpos | first i added some lines to sources.list, i found on google |
| 10:20.13 | Skaag | jethro: I did, I can only see packages for 2.4.x |
| 10:20.38 | kjparker | if i did a apt-cache search skype and it just returned to the cmd line, that measn there are no packages right? |
| 10:20.42 | liable | Skaag: what is it? |
| 10:20.46 | liable | kjparker: yes |
| 10:20.54 | jethro | Skaag: kerenl-patch-grsecurity2 |
| 10:20.56 | Skaag | liable: It's the kernel patch from www.grsecurity.org |
| 10:21.00 | jethro | s/enl/nel/ |
| 10:21.05 | [VB]Tise | Hmm, trying to get xf86config... typed apt-get install xf86config, but it sais it cant be found.... |
| 10:21.21 | [VB]Tise | all i want is a X enviorment |
| 10:21.24 | vekpos | then I loaded the nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
| 10:21.24 | liable | Skaag: needed for newer kernels? Whats it do? |
| 10:21.43 | vekpos | and so on and so on... |
| 10:21.46 | MobyTurbo | [VB]Tise: use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:21.56 | [VB]Tise | k, truing it |
| 10:22.09 | Skaag | liable: needed for any kernel if you care about security at all... ;-) |
| 10:22.12 | jethro | vekpos: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 10:22.17 | idealbsd | vekpos, just need the execute driver file and kernel header |
| 10:22.31 | liable | Skaag: bah humbug |
| 10:22.31 | Skaag | liable: check out grsecurity.org - very important if you have a box on the net |
| 10:22.45 | [VB]Tise | MobyTurbo it sais it not installed |
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| 10:23.02 | liable | [VB]Tise: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 10:23.07 | Guerin | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 10:23.11 | kjparker | i remeber when i ran apt-setup on this machine when it was woody it asked me if i wanted free and non free applications |
| 10:23.11 | [VB]Tise | :) |
| 10:23.12 | jethro | Skaag: there are different security frameworks, not only grsec |
| 10:23.13 | Skaag | jethro: what confused me in the information about kernel-patch-grsecurity2 is that paragraph about 2.4.x at the bottom... :-| |
| 10:23.15 | kjparker | now it doesn't |
| 10:23.17 | Guerin | !tell [VB]Tise about search |
| 10:23.23 | Guerin | what, is it sunday again already? |
| 10:23.24 | kjparker | am i doing something wrong? |
| 10:23.26 | jethro | Skaag: can't you read english? |
| 10:23.37 | liable | [VB]Tise: and change your nick to not have [] please |
| 10:23.52 | Tise | sorry |
| 10:24.07 | liable | Tise: sweet, much better :) |
| 10:24.07 | Tise | and yes it worked ;) |
| 10:24.29 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 10:24.29 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 10:24.43 | Kamping_in_doze | LOL |
| 10:24.52 | sussudio | !lolz |
| 10:24.56 | U_ | hello |
| 10:25.12 | U_ | i have a xserver issue |
| 10:25.14 | liable | why sunday now? |
| 10:25.20 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 10:25.21 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 10:25.22 | sussudio | !lolz is <reply> http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/lololol.gif |
| 10:25.23 | dpkg | sussudio: okay |
| 10:25.27 | U_ | with my nvidia 6600 gt |
| 10:25.38 | jethro | !tell U_ -about enter |
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| 10:25.48 | kjparker | bugger, i can't get any more than 50kbs from an australian mirror |
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| 10:26.01 | liable | U_: just give the error, please |
| 10:26.06 | U_ | ok thx :D |
| 10:26.12 | jethro | !tell U_ -about smart questions |
| 10:26.14 | Guerin | i get a few MBps from ftp.kr.d.o |
| 10:26.21 | Guerin | YMMV |
| 10:26.31 | Skaag | jethro: english is not my native language, but I do see now this line: Recommends: kernel-source-2.4 | kernel-source-2.6 |
| 10:26.33 | liable | !ymmv |
| 10:26.33 | dpkg | methinks ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 10:26.42 | jethro | Skaag: | means or |
| 10:26.42 | kjparker | Guerin: where are you? |
| 10:26.55 | Skaag | jethro: I know, but I didn't look at that line before |
| 10:27.05 | jethro | Skaag: and it tells you anything 2.4.2x wont work, thou anything < 2.4.2x will |
| 10:27.06 | Guerin | kjparker: about 30KM away from the mirror, on a fibre pipe as fat as your torso |
| 10:27.29 | Skaag | jethro: Also knowing grsecurity before i started using debian, I know they are very specific with their patches with regards to kernel version |
| 10:27.41 | kjparker | Guerin: that's a pretty big pipe |
| 10:27.46 | kjparker | ;) |
| 10:28.10 | liable | Guerin: but didnt you have lag the other day? |
| 10:28.13 | jethro | Skaag: I m used to merge grsecurity to debian kernel sources. |
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| 10:28.45 | Tise | At the xserver-xfree86 install.. it want me to enter keyboard variant, what is that? sorry for not searching atm :/ |
| 10:29.06 | jethro | !tell Tise -about search |
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| 10:29.35 | liable | Tise: you english? or have english keyboard? |
| 10:29.48 | Tise | no, swedish |
| 10:30.10 | Guerin | liable: yeah, I do get a bit of lag now and again |
| 10:30.27 | Guerin | liable: not for all things, just irc; could be any number of reasons |
| 10:30.31 | Tise | sv_se? |
| 10:30.42 | U_ | my configuration is : asus k8n, asus nvidia 6600gt, amd64, i use a debian sarge and have self-copiled my kernel, i use nvidia kernel. I have a gnome runnng but when i try to open any application few seconds later my system freezes. has anyone an idea? I do not have report in the log (no critical report) |
| 10:30.57 | drac | Tise: Layout 'se', Variant 'leave it empty..', Model 'pc105'.. |
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| 10:31.03 | Tise | ok |
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| 10:31.51 | liable | Guerin: Its sad that I actually remembered it, but I had to throw that in :) |
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| 10:32.37 | Ralph | hello everyone! i am a Chinese Boy.when updating kernel, after '"make mrproper;make make oldconfig |
| 10:32.38 | Ralph | make |
| 10:32.38 | Ralph | sudo make modules_install install", what should i do? |
| 10:32.39 | seeki | hi @// |
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| 10:33.09 | liable | Ralph: instal 'kernel-package' and do it the debian way |
| 10:33.10 | darkness1 | Hi, i've just fixed after a long time dual booting on my box and great news i have access to debian. The bad news is that i've forgotten my user pwd. I do however remember the root pwd. Help? |
| 10:33.32 | jm_ | darkness1: man passwd |
| 10:33.55 | liable | Ralph: and dont compile a kernel if you dont have a reason to do so. |
| 10:34.00 | Satchmo | darkness1: (as root) passwd <username> <new_password> |
| 10:34.42 | darkness1 | okies |
| 10:35.45 | kjparker | ok, when sarge is released, that means that sid becomes testing right? |
| 10:35.53 | Ralph | liable:thank u! i'll try it now |
| 10:36.11 | kjparker | so if i do a dist-upgrade after the release i will end up on sid? |
| 10:36.36 | kjparker | right? |
| 10:36.51 | liable | kjparker: no, etch if your sources are testing |
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| 10:37.09 | kjparker | hmm? |
| 10:37.21 | kjparker | i think i am missing something... |
| 10:37.30 | kjparker | goes to debian.org |
| 10:37.32 | liable | kjparker: sid is always unstable, the next testing is etch |
| 10:37.50 | kjparker | oic |
| 10:38.07 | kjparker | so sid will never be stable? |
| 10:38.13 | liable | nup |
| 10:38.26 | kjparker | that makes more sense i think.... |
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| 10:38.39 | U_ | my configuration is : asus k8n, asus nvidia 6600gt, amd64, i use a debian sarge and have self-copiled my kernel, i use nvidia kernel. I have a gnome runnng but when i try to open any application few seconds later my system freezes. has anyone an idea? I do not have report in the log (no critical report) Has anyone the same |
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| 10:39.34 | kjparker | is anyone here running etch? |
| 10:39.53 | idnar | kjparker: no, because it doesn't exist yet |
| 10:40.01 | kjparker | or sid :) |
| 10:40.38 | idnar | I run sid on all of my boxen |
| 10:41.06 | kjparker | any problems? |
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| 10:42.01 | bykte | anyone knows what's Busybox for? |
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| 10:42.58 | jm_ | bykte: apt-cache show busybox |
| 10:43.16 | drac | U_: Use Debian kernel-image, and /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner. |
| 10:44.09 | pyroscroll | hey |
| 10:44.15 | pyroscroll | i got this question |
| 10:44.21 | pyroscroll | it might sound crazy |
| 10:44.27 | pyroscroll | but i got everythign setup how i want it |
| 10:44.57 | bykte | so basically, busybox is not some security stuff huh? |
| 10:45.02 | pyroscroll | to avoid looking for these answers again, can i burn the install i have right now onto cd's |
| 10:45.17 | Overand | bykte: busybox is a small footprint binary that contains many frequently-used apps |
| 10:45.26 | Overand | like a shell, tiny version of ifconfig (i think) |
| 10:45.27 | pyroscroll | so i dotn need net install for later just incase one day i might not have internet and need to reinstall |
| 10:45.31 | Overand | used commonly on rescue disks |
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| 10:45.59 | bykte | Overand, oh, what i read from a book called "Hardening linux" they mentioned something about securing linux shell environment |
| 10:46.18 | kjparker | lol, i ***just*** qualify for the minimum hardware requirements for skype! :) |
| 10:46.28 | Overand | kjparker: those are often inflated. |
| 10:47.03 | kjparker | i don't think so in this case, they are pretty modest,... |
| 10:47.11 | kjparker | 400mhz and 128mb ram |
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| 10:47.12 | kjparker | :) |
| 10:47.54 | Overand | kjparker: i'm on a p2-400 |
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| 10:48.07 | liable | pyroscroll: have a look at partimage |
| 10:48.13 | Overand | it runs everything i throw at it, and it's certainly fast enough for realtime audio coding with those codecs |
| 10:48.19 | bykte | www.linuxien.com/sec/begin.html <-- can anyone access it? |
| 10:49.02 | liable | bykte: no |
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| 10:49.17 | bykte | liable, ok thanks a lot |
| 10:49.26 | SnuS | hello. is there any way to MASQ the traffic coming from an interface alias (eth0:0) ? |
| 10:50.23 | kjparker | i *** love *** apt-get |
| 10:50.39 | kjparker | makes life very easy! |
| 10:50.47 | Guerin | i could encode vbr --preset extreme mp3 (average around 210 kbit/s) in realtime on my cel400 |
| 10:51.02 | pyroscroll | lol |
| 10:51.16 | pyroscroll | i just dropped a pentium 4 cpu fan onto a video card |
| 10:51.17 | pyroscroll | lol |
| 10:51.30 | kjparker | is the card ok! :) |
| 10:51.41 | pyroscroll | i dont know what temp its running on |
| 10:51.49 | pyroscroll | but sofar so good |
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| 10:52.02 | pyroscroll | this is because my cards fan died |
| 10:52.06 | pyroscroll | so it made lots of noise |
| 10:52.08 | pyroscroll | as it was dying |
| 10:52.11 | pyroscroll | and this fan |
| 10:52.17 | pyroscroll | is ultra fast, ultra quiet |
| 10:52.20 | MobyTurbo | !tell pyroscroll -about enter |
| 10:52.29 | pyroscroll | oh god lol im sorry |
| 10:52.34 | liable | and one time, I went to band camp |
| 10:52.46 | ericb_ | When you fdformat a floppy. what type filesystem is it? How do you format fat or something windows compatible? |
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| 10:53.25 | retoreto | hi |
| 10:53.27 | ericb_ | Is than any other gui floppy format tools besides kfloppy |
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| 10:55.12 | kjparker | hmm, yet another stupid question, i have a deb file, can someone point me in the direction of how to install it? |
| 10:55.22 | kjparker | :) |
| 10:55.26 | liable | kjparker: man dpkg |
| 10:55.35 | paulswm | kjparker: dpkg -i |
| 10:55.46 | kjparker | cool |
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| 10:56.32 | kjparker | thanks |
| 10:56.51 | kjparker | couldn't remember what it was to install.... |
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| 10:58.38 | retoreto_ | well i'm having some trouble booting debian.. I want to have a HD without power-supply on the first IDE cable on which i also have my boot-HD. |
| 10:58.49 | retoreto_ | The second HD is also master but has no power |
| 10:59.03 | retoreto_ | but even though debian can't boot if it's put to the ide.. |
| 10:59.16 | retoreto_ | when mounting it hangs |
| 10:59.23 | Kamping_in_doze | retoreto_ if the drive is atached to the cable tis still getting in the way |
| 10:59.41 | cockroac1 | hello. is there a known issue with kernel 2.6.11(.7) and audigy cards? my box works just fine with an sb live (same driver) but locks up after about half a minute audio playback with the audigy card... |
| 10:59.52 | retoreto_ | can't i bypass this check or whatever? |
| 11:00.04 | retoreto_ | because with windows it works without problems |
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| 11:00.22 | pyroscroll | lol the processor fan has 1mm clearance |
| 11:00.27 | incorrect | which package is dos2unix in? |
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| 11:00.31 | incorrect | i can never remember |
| 11:00.39 | streuner_ | !dos2unix |
| 11:00.39 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos, flip, tr -d 'r', or even perl -pi -e 's/r\n/\n/g' |
| 11:00.58 | retoreto_ | i can boot from a windows HD while another master HD without power is put to the ide.. |
| 11:01.00 | Rawplayer | msg test |
| 11:01.07 | retoreto_ | but with debian it hangs.. :\ |
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| 11:06.10 | llama32 | anyone know of a lightweight library that provides keyboard, mouse and drawing (line, arc...) for X? allegro doesnt work with obj-c :( |
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| 11:06.17 | [Cruz] | HEy!!! |
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| 11:06.31 | Delph | retoreto_: does it hang if you take out the other master HD without power is on the IDE chain? |
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| 11:08.25 | Kamping_in_doze | bb another time. thanks everyone. |
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| 11:08.34 | ericb_ | what does it mean in manual page of something is underlined? |
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| 11:09.01 | irad | how can i listen to midi files in my web-browser? |
| 11:09.05 | ericb_ | I am trying to use superformat but I don't have mformat for some reason |
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| 11:09.25 | retoreto_ | Delph: hm well i can boot normaly with 1 master HD on my IDE. but as soon as I put another master-jumpered HD but which has no power to the same IDE cable it can't boot anymore.. and hanfs |
| 11:09.30 | retoreto_ | hangs |
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| 11:10.45 | tarzeau | irad: you can't |
| 11:10.59 | irad | and how can i listen to mid files in general? |
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| 11:11.14 | sep | resiak: your second drive should not be master, but slave. I'm not an expert on ide channels, but i would assume that the jumper would influence the resistance of your channel even if it was not powered up. |
| 11:11.20 | liable | retoreto_: is the second slave or what are you doing |
| 11:11.24 | sep | retoreto_: ofcouse |
| 11:11.38 | retoreto_ | no it's master too |
| 11:11.46 | retoreto_ | but it ha no power-cable connected |
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| 11:12.02 | retoreto_ | i thing that should somehow work.. because with windows it's working too |
| 11:12.14 | Delph | why not just take out the unpowered hard disk. |
| 11:12.27 | liable | retoreto_: just connect it as slave and be done with it |
| 11:12.32 | retoreto_ | hmhm :) |
| 11:12.44 | Delph | or find out where it's crashing =:) |
| 11:12.45 | retoreto_ | no idea how to deal this otherway? |
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| 11:12.56 | sep | retoreto_: where in boot does it hang ? |
| 11:13.02 | snadge | whats the new method of connecting ppp on boot? |
| 11:13.05 | retoreto_ | last thing it says: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 11:13.10 | retoreto_ | then it stops |
| 11:13.14 | snadge | i saw it flash by briefly on bootup that /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot was obsolete |
| 11:14.11 | kjparker | hmm, can someone recommend a nice gui irc client? |
| 11:14.23 | sep | kjparker: xchat |
| 11:14.30 | kjparker | i'm using kvirc right now... |
| 11:14.38 | kjparker | sep, is that gui? |
| 11:14.43 | liable | kjparker: yes irssi, open a gui terminal and type 'irssi' :) |
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| 11:14.57 | sep | kjparker: it's an X irc client |
| 11:15.31 | kjparker | liable: didn't work.... |
| 11:15.39 | kjparker | i assume i don't have it |
| 11:15.52 | kjparker | sep, dl'ing it now... |
| 11:15.55 | sep | retoreto_: have you tried swapping the position of the harddrives ? |
| 11:15.56 | liable | kjparker: you need to install it silly, irssi-text |
| 11:16.02 | kjparker | lol |
| 11:16.24 | retoreto_ | sep: yes.. :\ |
| 11:16.36 | kjparker | give me a break, i'm a windows user |
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| 11:16.40 | kjparker | i'm still learning |
| 11:16.43 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:16.49 | liable | hehe, no prob |
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| 11:17.23 | liable | kjparker: its not x, but its good, with a good theme. |
| 11:17.40 | kjparker | i'll try it i guess... |
| 11:17.41 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:17.48 | kjparker | i used to use mirc.... |
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| 11:18.33 | kjparker | anyone used zircon? |
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| 11:19.28 | tarzeau | i use TalkSoup.app |
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| 11:19.42 | sep | kjparker: i use xchat on windows also :P mirc dont deal with multiple ircnetworks sanly |
| 11:20.07 | liable | kjparker: if you like mirc, xchat should be good |
| 11:20.54 | liable | sep: xchat for windows? |
| 11:21.13 | sep | xchat is a irc client you can get it for many OS's |
| 11:21.15 | snadge | anyone know anything about the new way to connect with ppp on bootup? |
| 11:21.32 | kjparker | brb |
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| 11:21.40 | tarzeau | sep: that's not uniq to xchat |
| 11:21.55 | kjparker1 | well, i'm in xchat now |
| 11:21.59 | sep | tarzeau: i didnt calim it was :) |
| 11:22.04 | kjparker1 | looks different |
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| 11:22.06 | kjparker1 | :) |
| 11:22.10 | tarzeau | sep: i just wanted to note this |
| 11:22.44 | kjparker | not sure i like it |
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| 11:22.50 | kjparker | though i think i need to give it some time |
| 11:23.16 | sep | snadge: you know the first google hit on "ppp_on_boot obsolete" gives the answer, you could atlets pretned you'd tried google before asking :) |
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| 11:24.01 | snadge | sep: for whatever reason i never thought of googling :P |
| 11:24.02 | kjparker | ok, one more stupid question from a windows user |
| 11:24.17 | tarzeau | kjparker: we all also use www.linuks.mine.nu/windows.jpg |
| 11:24.21 | kjparker | is there an equivelent to the startup folder in windows? |
| 11:24.31 | tarzeau | kjparker: for graphical applications? |
| 11:24.32 | sep | snadge :) |
| 11:24.42 | kjparker | yes |
| 11:24.45 | bykte | anyone here have any experienced in running a VPN server? |
| 11:24.46 | tarzeau | kjparker: window maker has an option to start things at the dock on startup |
| 11:24.53 | tarzeau | kjparker: but there's about 50 other window managers |
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| 11:25.13 | kjparker | i ise gnome... |
| 11:25.14 | kjparker | use |
| 11:25.16 | tarzeau | kjparker: you can always throw stuff into your .xsessionrc |
| 11:25.27 | kjparker | ok, will look into it |
| 11:25.35 | kjparker | that's in my home diretory right |
| 11:25.38 | tarzeau | kjparker: i'm not sure if gnome can do that, maybe with version gnome 95 |
| 11:25.49 | nebo | kjparker, system->settings->session->startup-applications |
| 11:25.59 | nebo | kjparker, under gnome |
| 11:26.29 | kjparker | nebo, lol, i probably would have found that if i had looked |
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| 11:27.14 | kjparker | nice window tarzeau |
| 11:27.30 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:27.38 | kjparker | hmm, bbs |
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| 11:34.05 | [Cruz] | Steamy Oral Sex |
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| 11:34.33 | [Cruz] | Playa. |
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| 11:36.01 | pyroscroll | when is 3.1 planned to be released |
| 11:36.02 | liable | pyroscroll: /topic |
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| 11:36.03 | kjparker | figured i should log out of my root account |
| 11:36.03 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:36.04 | liable | [Cruz]: are you a bot? |
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| 11:36.55 | [Cruz] | Nah. |
| 11:37.04 | pyroscroll | :P |
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| 11:37.29 | liable | [Cruz]: well, very off topic, or wrong window :) |
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| 11:37.45 | [Cruz] | Msg me for help. |
| 11:38.04 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite [Cruz] |
| 11:38.05 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon [Cruz]. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 11:38.11 | pyroscroll | how can i backup partition on cd's and restore it |
| 11:38.22 | [Cruz] | I agree, pyroscroll |
| 11:38.32 | ircdevil | pyroscroll: apt-cache search backup and pick a good looking tool |
| 11:38.44 | liable | !ops [Cruz] pornbot |
| 11:38.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [Cruz] pornbot |
| 11:38.52 | goofrider | pyroscroll: try the mondo package |
| 11:39.01 | s-toned | how do I detect processes which initiate heavy io load? |
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| 11:39.21 | kjparker | i always pay my debts |
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| 11:39.35 | kjparker | :) |
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| 11:39.52 | [Cruz] | !ops liable porn spammer |
| 11:39.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: liable porn spammer |
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| 11:40.35 | MobyTurbo | !ops [Cruz] liar, kick him |
| 11:40.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [Cruz] liar, kick him |
| 11:40.53 | liable | dude, not cool |
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| 11:41.08 | MobyTurbo | mentor: thanks |
| 11:41.11 | ircdevil | hehehe nice right foot |
| 11:41.17 | pyroscroll | hey |
| 11:41.18 | liable | MobyTurbo: thanks and mentor |
| 11:41.20 | pyroscroll | i just checked cruz |
| 11:41.26 | pyroscroll | he giving me listing to his pc |
| 11:41.35 | pyroscroll | basicly root |
| 11:41.47 | ircdevil | pyroscroll: prolly not his then |
| 11:41.54 | mentor | He has a cloak...not the most intelligent think to spam on... |
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| 11:42.40 | kjparker | MobyTurbo, : you don't recall why i gave you a dollar do you? |
| 11:42.41 | kjparker | :) |
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| 11:43.01 | MobyTurbo | kjparker: to buy a bottle of Dr Pepper? |
| 11:43.33 | kjparker | nope, 2 nites ago i was doing a woody to sarge upgrade, and you said if it kills it i owe you a dollar |
| 11:43.34 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:43.42 | kjparker | so here's your dollar |
| 11:43.44 | kjparker | :) |
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| 11:44.09 | Stereo | hello |
| 11:44.14 | MobyTurbo | heh, still don't remember it, but I won't argue with you. :-) |
| 11:44.34 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 11:44.56 | Stereo | I'm trying to convince someone to switch from outlook to thunderbird. He says it sucks because it only says "Foo wrote:" on top of replies, without the timestamp. How do you enable that again? |
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| 11:45.53 | Stereo | outlook is the only thing holding the guy back on windows, and this is one of the little things holding him back on outlook. Soom he's getting a debian box. |
| 11:46.05 | drac | Getting rid of daily doze of viruses should be enough .. ;) |
| 11:47.35 | kjparker | i'm not regretting the switch to debian from windows |
| 11:47.36 | kjparker | oops |
| 11:47.36 | kjparker | reverse that |
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| 11:47.36 | kjparker | hang on, no i had it right |
| 11:47.36 | kjparker | lol |
| 11:47.36 | kaydara | lol u got me confused now |
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| 11:47.36 | Stereo | nevermind |
| 11:47.36 | Stereo | found it |
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| 11:47.36 | kjparker | i wet from windows xp on this laptop, to debain |
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| 11:47.43 | Tise | hehe |
| 11:48.03 | ron_ | Is there some protocol that enables you to tell the bootloader what OS you want to boot? I am ofcourse talking about booting the computer by sending it a special packet (which is supported on some NIC's). |
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| 11:51.18 | eps | http://dump.childofthenetwork.com/eggman.png :P |
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| 11:54.17 | jp | #list |
| 11:54.25 | jp | bonjour |
| 11:54.28 | jethro | !fr |
| 11:54.29 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 11:55.41 | jp | dpkg suis nouveau on fait comment pour joindre debian-fr |
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| 11:56.03 | jethro | jp: /j #debian, read your irc client documentation |
| 11:56.06 | liable | ron_: bios, to start with, then I have no idea |
| 11:56.12 | hellfire100 | Hi ! |
| 11:56.13 | jethro | s/debian/debian-fr/ |
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| 11:56.39 | hellfire100 | Is it possible that if i install lilo via deb package that the chainloader isnt inculded? |
| 11:56.40 | jethro | jp: and you're not supposed to speak french in #debian, so either stick to english or stfu |
| 11:57.05 | jp | s/debian/debian-fr |
| 11:57.14 | jethro | !pal jp |
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| 11:57.23 | jp | join #debian-fr |
| 11:57.25 | liable | ron_: but I imagine, just set default boot, to the one you want |
| 11:57.33 | doub | jp: you're close |
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| 11:57.36 | jethro | jp: it's /join, not join |
| 11:57.41 | doub | jp: just add a / in front |
| 11:57.48 | Noid | when you plug in a usb pen drive, how do you know what device is it in order to mount it? |
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| 11:58.04 | liable | Noid: dmesg, will tell ya |
| 11:58.09 | jethro | Noid: you look at dmesg's output |
| 11:58.14 | jethro | Noid: or you look at your logs |
| 11:58.23 | jethro | doub: hi btw |
| 11:58.38 | doub | Noid: or maybe /proc/partitions if you notice some new name |
| 11:58.41 | Noid | jethro: dmesg doesn't say anything about the device name, afaict |
| 11:58.48 | doub | hi everybody |
| 11:58.50 | hellfire100 | Does anyone have a chain.b in their /boot directory? |
| 11:59.05 | jethro | hellfire100: those who use grub do |
| 11:59.08 | s-toned | the load value >3 seems to be caused by processes with heavy io, but I don't know which processes are responsible for that |
| 11:59.11 | crashbg | hi32r3, i have problem with my raid hdd's; i configured them in the BIOS as strippet (2x160 GB = 320 GB) and Windows sees them as one 320 GB HDD - i've partitioned it in 3 primary partitions - 2 first two are for windows and i want the 3rd to install sarge rc3 on it |
| 11:59.33 | crashbg | uups no hi32r3 i mean hi all :) |
| 11:59.35 | liable | Noid: woody? |
| 11:59.51 | drac | jethro: I use grub, and I don't. Isn't that something you would use to chainboot windoze? |
| 11:59.53 | jethro | hellfire100: forget what I said |
| 11:59.58 | crashbg | but sarge installations sees them as sda and sdb and can't use the free space |
| 12:00.00 | jethro | drac: read above :) |
| 12:00.04 | drac | k :) |
| 12:00.07 | s-toned | is there something in top, which doen't look like io, but, in fact represents it? |
| 12:00.07 | jethro | drac: it is indeed |
| 12:00.12 | ron_ | liable: What can you do to prevent kernel panics and thus have your remote computer dead in the water? |
| 12:00.21 | jethro | drac: I mixed uyp with the stage1 stage2 |
| 12:00.21 | Bart-mdv- | how i can stop flood from open proxies? -j TARPIT ? |
| 12:00.37 | liable | ron_: more info |
| 12:00.41 | Bart-mdv- | or better use -j DROP ? |
| 12:00.46 | jethro | Bart-mdv-: what kind of flood? |
| 12:00.54 | Bart-mdv- | http-flood |
| 12:00.55 | jethro | Bart-mdv-: packeting? |
| 12:00.58 | hellfire100 | jethro: ok. |
| 12:01.07 | jethro | Bart-mdv-: -j DROP is fine |
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| 12:01.13 | Bart-mdv- | log from apahce: |
| 12:01.14 | Bart-mdv- | 207.255.85.92 - - [10/May/2005:15:57:51 +0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 11559 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)" |
| 12:01.17 | Bart-mdv- | 207.255.85.92 - - [10/May/2005:15:57:51 +0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 11559 |
| 12:01.25 | Noid | liable: nop, sarge... i think i found it, sdb it seems |
| 12:01.27 | jethro | !tell Bart-mdv- -about paste |
| 12:01.30 | Bart-mdv- | 3-7 connect per second |
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| 12:01.42 | jethro | just -j DROP the suckers |
| 12:01.57 | Bart-mdv- | why not -j TARPIT ? |
| 12:01.58 | liable | Noid: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 12:01.59 | Noid | thanks for your help guys |
| 12:02.12 | jethro | Bart-mdv-: or alternatively, have some limits on the max number of connection per ip |
| 12:02.19 | pyroscroll | god |
| 12:02.22 | jethro | Bart-mdv-: why not -j DROP ? |
| 12:02.24 | pyroscroll | is there an easier way |
| 12:02.33 | pyroscroll | to find where programs are located |
| 12:02.40 | pyroscroll | i dont get them added to my applications menu |
| 12:02.44 | pyroscroll | i can never find them |
| 12:02.50 | jethro | !tell pyroscroll -about search |
| 12:02.53 | doub | !tell pyroscroll about enter |
| 12:02.58 | jethro | yeah that too :) |
| 12:03.08 | jm_ | Bart-mdv-: maybe it makes sense to reject it with icmp-port-unreachable or whatever |
| 12:03.15 | liable | pyroscroll: there isnt a gnome menu update turn out? |
| 12:03.20 | jm_ | that's the default anyway |
| 12:03.45 | kjparker | iirc there is a way to use dpkg to list all installed applications.... right? |
| 12:03.51 | Bart-mdv- | ok, thanks |
| 12:03.51 | pyroscroll | that dsoent give me the answer |
| 12:03.55 | jethro | kjparker: dpkg --get-selections |
| 12:03.56 | Crasp | how do i tell dpkg to show the complete packagename when using -l instead of the first 14 letters only? |
| 12:04.02 | doub | jm_: if they're flooding, it uses bandwith for something useless |
| 12:04.06 | jethro | kjparker: you want to pipe the output to grep |
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| 12:04.12 | kjparker | not asking what it is, want to find it myself.... |
| 12:04.15 | simonrvn | Crasp: man dpkg /COLUMNS |
| 12:04.26 | s-toned | I'd like to see the io-values in vmstat on a per process basis, is that possible? |
| 12:04.27 | kjparker | just is it poss! :) |
| 12:04.30 | jethro | doub: if they're flooding, you can't get rid of the SYNs |
| 12:04.42 | jethro | doub: even if you -j DROP or -j TARPIT |
| 12:04.48 | jm_ | doub: I agree, but maybe it's worth trying it to see if it will stop, and then DROP it if not |
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| 12:05.07 | doub | jethro: yes, but you can prevent useless bandwith usage for icmp-port-unreachable messages |
| 12:05.13 | jethro | indeed :) |
| 12:05.19 | liable | pyroscroll: its prolly in the debian bit, if you cant find it |
| 12:05.32 | jethro | I wouldn't filter tcp ports sending back icmp error messages actually |
| 12:05.33 | prologic | where's the home page for pppconfig ? (or is it some software purely maintained by Debian ?) |
| 12:05.48 | jethro | prologic: what would you want to read on this page ? |
| 12:05.50 | crashbg | how to install sarge when i have hardware raid - sarge sees them as sda and sdb but windows sees them as one big harddrive |
| 12:06.04 | prologic | jethro, download it's source for a different distro |
| 12:06.14 | jethro | prologic: apt-get source is what you want |
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| 12:06.22 | lindi- | crashbg: does not sound like hardware raid then, what chipset? |
| 12:06.26 | jm_ | prologic: check if copyright file says something |
| 12:06.30 | jethro | prologic: you need deb-src lines for that matter |
| 12:06.30 | doub | jethro: yes, that would be RST IIRC. i'm just not awake enough ;) |
| 12:06.47 | jethro | doub: you can reply to a syn with an icmp error message |
| 12:07.02 | jethro | doub: it's just not what I d advertise that's all. personnal opinion |
| 12:07.07 | liable | if its for another distro, go the home page of the app and get source |
| 12:07.08 | crashbg | lindi-, but windows sees them as one harddrive |
| 12:07.22 | jethro | liable: why not use apt-get source? |
| 12:07.23 | crashbg | i made the raid in BIOS as strippet |
| 12:07.36 | liable | jethro: for another distro? |
| 12:07.44 | crashbg | it's on asus a7n8x-e deluxe |
| 12:07.48 | dbrock | could someone who doesn't have the latest version of the emacs package help me debug something? I'd like you to install aspell-en and auctex, and then upgrade emacs |
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| 12:07.52 | jethro | liable: yes, apt-get source gives you the original tarball, and the debian diff |
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| 12:08.01 | lindi- | crashbg: so? windows obviosly does something to show them as one drive |
| 12:08.21 | liable | jethro: but isnt the debian diff patched in? |
| 12:08.41 | jethro | liable: just apt-get source a package, and see by yourself the orig.tar.gz |
| 12:08.42 | pyroscroll | help i cant find where mondo is located |
| 12:08.42 | Penix | liable: that diff is a patch |
| 12:08.45 | Penix | you apply it if you want |
| 12:09.09 | jethro | Penix: when you apt-get source a pacakge, you get a resulting directory with the source code patched |
| 12:09.19 | jethro | Penix: but also orig.tar.gz and a diff file |
| 12:09.28 | Penix | jethro: yes, I know |
| 12:09.34 | jethro | Penix: so it's applied by default I d say |
| 12:09.34 | liable | hmm, ok, will looo more into it |
| 12:09.42 | liable | look even |
| 12:09.43 | Tise | posting in #flood |
| 12:09.59 | liable | fat fingers tonight :) |
| 12:10.02 | jethro | :) |
| 12:10.08 | Wyzard | crashbg: Windows shows them as one drive because Windows is using software RAID |
| 12:10.12 | Crasp | simonrvn: hmm the COLUMNS environment variable doesn't seem to work |
| 12:10.21 | simonrvn | unless you do -d, it'll patch the source |
| 12:10.31 | doub | liable: you can even use apt-get -d source so that you won't end up with a patched source |
| 12:10.37 | Wyzard | crashbg: You can do software RAID in Linux too, but the on-disk formats are different -- Linux can't use Windows arrays, and Windows can't use Linux arrays |
| 12:10.45 | simonrvn | crashbg: bullshit. where are you putting it, and what argument are you giving? |
| 12:10.49 | lindi- | crashbg: that has sil3112, right? afaik it's doing software raid on the chip |
| 12:10.50 | simonrvn | crashbg: sorry |
| 12:10.50 | jethro | looks like we have apt-get experts in there :) |
| 12:10.50 | Crasp | simonrvn: if i do COLUMNS=2 dpkg -l mysql-client i still get name, versioen and description |
| 12:10.52 | Penix | in this case though, it's apparently for another distro, so you'd just take orig.tar.gz and the diff anyway |
| 12:10.56 | Crasp | -e |
| 12:11.01 | simonrvn | Crasp: ^^^^ |
| 12:11.04 | cafuego | SHit, Tiger is sexy :-) |
| 12:11.23 | doub | Crasp: COLUMNS is the number of chars on a line in your terminal |
| 12:11.36 | Crasp | oh |
| 12:11.38 | Crasp | how clear :/ |
| 12:11.38 | simonrvn | Crasp: you said see more of the name, not hide the description |
| 12:11.49 | Penix | is it normal to still feel this dirty after using gnome 2.10 for atleast a week? |
| 12:12.02 | jethro | Penix: yes |
| 12:12.12 | liable | well, personally, I would get the orig source, to avoid hassles :) |
| 12:12.15 | Penix | I'm filthy :) |
| 12:12.17 | doub | Crasp: if you want the full name displayed, lie about it and just make it a huge value |
| 12:12.26 | jethro | liable: you just need the orig.tar.gz |
| 12:12.41 | Crasp | doub: yeah i see what you mean |
| 12:12.41 | lindi- | crashbg: "3. I have a Silicon Image SATA RAID card. Why doesn't Linux support my hardware RAID? A. It's not hardware RAID. It is software RAID, provided by the BIOS on the card." -- http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 12:12.57 | Crasp | though COLUMNS=2 doesn't work :) |
| 12:13.15 | liable | jethro: hmm, will look into this another day, too late tongiht to be interested, but thanks, interesting to know |
| 12:13.35 | jethro | liable: it sure is. have a good night |
| 12:13.40 | Crasp | simonrvn: it was just misinterpreted.. i saw 3 columns as in, name, version, description and i thought i could hide one of these columns to make the name bigger |
| 12:13.40 | jm_ | 2 is not a huge value |
| 12:13.51 | crashbg | lindi-, sorry, yea it's software, i was wrong i'll see the page |
| 12:14.01 | liable | jethro: not going too bed yet, just dont want to think right now :) |
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| 12:14.18 | jethro | liable: then keep it for later use :p |
| 12:14.42 | liable | will do :) |
| 12:14.45 | hellfire100 | liable: what time of day is it in your place? |
| 12:14.49 | simonrvn | Crasp: no. it fakes "stretching" out your terminal width |
| 12:15.04 | liable | hellfire100: 20:15 |
| 12:15.12 | liable | hellfire100: 22:15 |
| 12:15.53 | hellfire100 | liable: is it the 10 may or the 9th may? |
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| 12:15.59 | simonrvn | 10 |
| 12:16.07 | liable | hellfire100: 10 |
| 12:16.20 | n0dez | it's 2.15 pm here |
| 12:16.20 | simonrvn | Crasp: i imagine =2 would be a wee bit tiny ;) |
| 12:16.25 | hellfire100 | liable: so that means that youre somewhere around australia? |
| 12:16.38 | n0dez | may 10th |
| 12:16.39 | liable | hellfire100: you win a cigar :) |
| 12:16.49 | hellfire100 | jippieh! |
| 12:16.54 | simonrvn | (if it did work, not sure if it would; would be funny however ;) |
| 12:18.08 | pyroscroll | AAAAAAAAH |
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| 12:18.11 | pyroscroll | WHAT THE FUCK! |
| 12:18.19 | pyroscroll | i just crashed gnome |
| 12:18.20 | pyroscroll | lol |
| 12:18.30 | Tise | Iam at this point.. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/ch05_04.html |
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| 12:18.44 | Tise | getting that error, what should i do? |
| 12:18.50 | doub | pyroscroll: how come ? gnome is sooo well desined, it can't possibly crash ;) |
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| 12:19.11 | pyroscroll | MY GOD |
| 12:19.16 | pyroscroll | lol |
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| 12:19.25 | pyroscroll | windows dosent crash for this stupid crap |
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| 12:19.36 | Tise | o i got it now |
| 12:19.40 | pyroscroll | i changed desktop background, and then changed it to another one then changed it back |
| 12:19.41 | pyroscroll | and boom |
| 12:19.48 | pyroscroll | gnome gave me bunch of errors |
| 12:19.48 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 12:19.51 | pyroscroll | now i dont even see gnome |
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| 12:19.58 | simonrvn | never seen it do that |
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| 12:20.05 | pyroscroll | i just reported the bug |
| 12:20.07 | Penix | I've never seen gnome |
| 12:20.13 | pyroscroll | i really hope it gets fixed |
| 12:20.16 | Guerin | i hate gnomes |
| 12:20.18 | Penix | I've seen a panel and a desktop manager etc. |
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| 12:20.36 | liable | they have pot of gold, there good |
| 12:20.38 | jethro | gnome is for weenies |
| 12:20.40 | pyroscroll | all of u on KDE? |
| 12:20.45 | raboof | hum. suddenly applications like `ps', `top' and `killall' hang. ring any bells to anyone? |
| 12:20.49 | jethro | pyroscroll: hell no |
| 12:20.49 | drac | pyroscroll: hell no. |
| 12:20.51 | Penix | or as the kids like to call it, a "graphical shell" |
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| 12:20.53 | drac | jethro :D |
| 12:20.54 | jethro | drac: :) |
| 12:21.03 | raboof | (others, like mozilla-thunderbird and xterm, load fine. this is sarge) |
| 12:21.05 | Guerin | liable: where good? |
| 12:21.14 | simonrvn | i still don't get what a graphical shell is |
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| 12:21.22 | doub | pyroscroll: it's worse |
| 12:21.31 | mikeX | pyroscroll, i'm either on gnome or ion : P |
| 12:21.34 | jethro | simonrvn: something eye candy |
| 12:21.35 | Guerin | raboof: those are tools which are commonly fucked with by rootkits. |
| 12:21.36 | pyroscroll | u guys r on a console? |
| 12:21.41 | Penix | some sort of weird attempt to replace a command line with a bunch of widgets and claim its a shell |
| 12:21.44 | Guerin | !u |
| 12:21.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:21.48 | simonrvn | !r |
| 12:21.48 | Guerin | !r |
| 12:21.48 | dpkg | r is probably a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 12:21.49 | jethro | !r |
| 12:21.51 | jethro | :) |
| 12:21.56 | Guerin | pwn3d |
| 12:21.57 | raboof | Guerin: hrms. `w' also hangs. |
| 12:22.04 | raboof | guess i'm in for a disconnect. |
| 12:22.05 | doub | and the winner is... |
| 12:22.08 | liable | Guerin: are you picking on my english? I am fat fingered and retarded tonight. :) |
| 12:22.10 | pyroscroll | lol i dont mind if he wants to flood |
| 12:22.10 | Guerin | raboof: chkrootkit from known media, if you can |
| 12:22.17 | pyroscroll | <<< |
| 12:22.19 | Guerin | liable: s/tonight// |
| 12:22.20 | hellfire100 | !:) |
| 12:22.20 | dpkg | oh, so nice to see you smile! |
| 12:22.27 | hellfire100 | lol |
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| 12:22.49 | Penix | cafuego: 1.5mbit connection coming my way (telstra forbid). you will soon bow to me, until you get your adsl2 weenie action going |
| 12:22.51 | simonrvn | crap, now i have to re-do my symlinks.... *sigh* |
| 12:22.53 | Guerin | awright kiddies |
| 12:22.58 | pyroscroll | grr brb |
| 12:23.01 | Guerin | i'm awf |
| 12:23.02 | kjparker | night kiddies |
| 12:23.08 | jethro | good night Guerin |
| 12:23.13 | kjparker | i'm off too |
| 12:23.18 | simonrvn | Guerin: ni ni |
| 12:23.19 | liable | Guerin: hmm, you saying theirs a pattern here? |
| 12:23.27 | ron_ | liable: How do you mean more info? Suppose you do a kernelupdate remotely and you reboot and then it hangs. What can you do abou it? |
| 12:23.29 | Guerin | someone do the honours for me |
| 12:23.35 | hellfire100 | !chainloader |
| 12:23.47 | hellfire100 | !chain |
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| 12:24.16 | simonrvn | um |
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| 12:24.31 | ron_ | hellfire100: Is that for me? |
| 12:24.36 | simonrvn | meh. need coffee |
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| 12:24.46 | hellfire100 | ron_eh what? |
| 12:24.53 | liable | ron_: I wanted more info, you just gave some, dont think theres much you can do, if you dont have physical access :( |
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| 12:25.28 | hellfire100 | ron_: sorry i think i missed it. physical access to what? |
| 12:25.44 | Penix | jethro: can I have what he's having, minus the coffee? |
| 12:26.02 | ron_ | hellfire100: /lastlog ron_ |
| 12:26.06 | liable | drugs are bad mmkay |
| 12:26.07 | jethro | Penix: no |
| 12:26.12 | Penix | too late |
| 12:26.41 | jethro | I only give simonrvn , so he goes on advising dangerous things to friends |
| 12:26.51 | simonrvn | jethro: oh yummy. a person after my own likes. forgot the tobacco though (after the pot ;) |
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| 12:27.15 | simonrvn | nah, Penix should get some too |
| 12:27.22 | Penix | already got some |
| 12:27.25 | simonrvn | good |
| 12:27.31 | mikeX | dammit, sarge went 3 DVDs for a mere 22MB : * |
| 12:27.31 | jethro | simonrvn: share with him then, but don't make him advise things on #ldap |
| 12:27.35 | mikeX | : ( |
| 12:27.38 | Penix | hah |
| 12:27.40 | pyroscroll | hey how do i check temperature of my AGP card |
| 12:27.44 | simonrvn | jethro: hehe |
| 12:27.59 | Penix | that's a good idea. about another hour and I might be |
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| 12:28.14 | simonrvn | checking the temp of your agp card? |
| 12:28.21 | hellfire100 | ron_ : ah. no the information was for me (!chainloader). But i don't know how to solve the problem with remote machines with kernel panics. What did you do that the machine got a kernel panic? |
| 12:28.24 | Penix | eh? |
| 12:28.30 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 12:28.31 | Penix | the stoned #ldap |
| 12:28.50 | Penix | wouldn't might checking my card's temp though |
| 12:28.53 | Penix | bleh |
| 12:28.56 | Penix | s/might/mind/ |
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| 12:29.57 | coll | i setup an anonymous login (or otherwise set as ftp/ftp) in proftpd.conf yet when i login as anonymous i get the error "unable to set anonymous privileges" |
| 12:29.59 | jethro | holy cow, looks like each and every dissector written for ethereal has to yield a remote root someday |
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| 12:30.19 | simonrvn | man, i reinstall zephyr. thought it was going to be a pita to get back up. no, works just fine |
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| 12:30.39 | simonrvn | jethro: pretty much my thought on that lately.. |
| 12:30.48 | Penix | ffs, I hate dealing with xml from within any sort of application |
| 12:30.54 | coll | i do remember disabling anonymous with dpkg-reconfigure but the proftpd.conf file seems just fine |
| 12:31.01 | Penix | C and Python |
| 12:31.10 | LuPuZ | Hey... How do i turn off X... the config got corrupt... and i don't know how to get back to the terminal :S |
| 12:31.25 | simonrvn | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 12:31.31 | simonrvn | fXX |
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| 12:31.39 | smhar | LuPuZ, init 3 |
| 12:31.47 | Penix | !spank smhar |
| 12:32.01 | LuPuZ | the ctrl-alt-fx worked... thanks |
| 12:32.01 | jethro | :) |
| 12:32.16 | smhar | Penix, why was that? |
| 12:32.21 | ron_ | hellfire100: Well, nothing yet, but I just wanted to know in case in start doing that kind of stuff. As I see it now, it's:if it doesn't work, call someone in the datacenter (and pay $$$) . |
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| 12:32.27 | coll | nm, solved it |
| 12:32.34 | coll | how do i install a .deb package? |
| 12:32.51 | Penix | coll: man dpkg |
| 12:32.58 | coll | simply deb <package> or do i need any syntax switches? |
| 12:33.00 | Shane^ | dpkg -i <package> as root |
| 12:33.07 | coll | thanks guys |
| 12:33.21 | hellfire100 | ron_: yes. my solution to that is that im very careful with machines i dont have physical access to. |
| 12:33.24 | jethro | dpkg -i brain |
| 12:34.35 | ron_ | hellfire100: Well, maybe you could try the procedure on a test machine(same arch), same kernel, but that takes time. I wonder that will be better. |
| 12:35.30 | liable | ron_: lilo or grub? |
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| 12:35.44 | ron_ | liable: grub |
| 12:35.50 | stouset | How do you tell dpkg that a package is installed when it actually isn't? |
| 12:36.03 | hellfire100 | ron_: a silly solution to that would maybe be: put a second machine beneath the one you want to work with, build a gizmo with reaches to the other machines reset button. |
| 12:36.23 | doub | stouset: what do you want to do? |
| 12:36.30 | ron_ | hellfire100: I thought of that too. |
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| 12:36.34 | j_k | stouset: see the equivs package if you know what you are doing. |
| 12:36.36 | hellfire100 | ron_: really? |
| 12:36.37 | liable | ron_: I believe you can set lilo at least for a one go try and revert back to original kernel, surely grub can, but, sorry, dont know how :( |
| 12:36.40 | ron_ | hellfire100: I think there's a market for that stuff. |
| 12:36.45 | ron_ | hellfire100: yes |
| 12:36.53 | hellfire100 | ron_: LOL |
| 12:37.02 | stouset | doub: It's a GNOME 2.10 thing in experimental. The gnome-desktop-environment metapackage still depends on a package that was removed in 2.10. |
| 12:37.07 | stouset | j_k: thanks |
| 12:37.20 | positrix | does xdm have know password issues? i cant log in through xdm, but i can through the console, (my password is 32 characters) |
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| 12:37.27 | hellfire100 | ron_: what a cool hack that would be. |
| 12:37.28 | ron_ | hellfire100: I think a lot of people have thought about that once. But nobody implements it for real. |
| 12:37.32 | doub | stouset: grab the source for that package, remove the useless dependency, and rebuild it |
| 12:37.34 | ron_ | hellfire100: Indeed |
| 12:37.48 | doub | stouset: be shure to bump the version number, also |
| 12:37.55 | hellfire100 | ron_: let's build that thing, put a patent on it and make millions! |
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| 12:38.10 | ron_ | hellfire100: Ok, where do you live? |
| 12:38.16 | ron_ | ;) |
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| 12:38.46 | hellfire100 | ron_: well i'll write that in my "buisiness ideas after the tenth beer" - book |
| 12:38.52 | LordFrith | hellfire100: Wouldn't a remote power control be simpler? |
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| 12:39.16 | LordFrith | We have like 4 or so of 'em here. I'm using one currently. |
| 12:39.34 | ron_ | LordFrith: But can you also control what kernel you load? |
| 12:39.37 | hellfire100 | lordfrith: no way? how do they work? |
| 12:39.41 | pyroscroll | i seen linux boot up and it said AGP temp and i didnt quite see it, it went by very fast |
| 12:39.56 | directhex|work | pyroscroll, "dmesg" replays the boot info |
| 12:40.01 | smhar | pyroscroll, dmesg |
| 12:40.07 | ron_ | !dmesg |
| 12:40.08 | dpkg | dmesg is, like, print or control the kernel ring buffer |
| 12:40.18 | LordFrith | hellfire100: You plug in the box to the controller, and then you tell it to turn on or off a given outlet. |
| 12:40.31 | liable | hmm doesnt show it all |
| 12:40.37 | smhar | very nice,, every body is helpful today :-) |
| 12:40.50 | hellfire100 | lordfith: man, sounds like im not going to earn millions. damn! 8) |
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| 12:40.56 | stouset | doub: Hrm, is the version number not in the control file? |
| 12:41.11 | smhar | bye for ni\ow |
| 12:41.16 | ron_ | hellfire100: You see? Somebody else thought of that before :) |
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| 12:41.33 | ron_ | LordFrith: But can you also choose kernel? |
| 12:41.46 | LordFrith | http://dark-panic.rutgers.edu/users/taliver/CurrentSS.png |
| 12:41.57 | doub | stouset: i think it's parsed from the changelog |
| 12:41.57 | LordFrith | ron_: That would be using dhcp for booting. |
| 12:42.02 | stouset | doub: gotcha |
| 12:42.06 | hellfire100 | ron_: yes. |
| 12:42.23 | LordFrith | ron_: fai has a pretty nice setup for that. |
| 12:42.33 | qwertz | Hi! I'd like to measure our internet traffic, problem is I'd to insert my box between our dsl-modem and our symantec firewall that is normally used for dsl authentication. So is there any way to bridge the modem to the firewall using my pc? |
| 12:42.45 | liable | ron_: I am sure (but not positive) you can set your bootloader to boot a kernel, and if a kernel panic, then it reverts to another |
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| 12:42.54 | Glanzmann | How can I request new packages in Debian? |
| 12:42.58 | hellfire100 | ron_: i wonder it it is possible to tell the kernel, before it panics to do a reboot with some boot options? (but im no expert in that) |
| 12:43.02 | jm_ | !+rfp |
| 12:43.02 | dpkg | hmm... rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 12:43.02 | LordFrith | hellfire100: In this case, it's name is greyskull, since it has the Power. :) |
| 12:43.09 | ron_ | liable: Yes, I thought Grub could do that. |
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| 12:43.25 | LordFrith | hellfire100: How does it know when it's about to panic? |
| 12:43.30 | CrypticSquared | morning |
| 12:43.33 | doub | stouset: and while you're at it, you might file a patch bug for this package |
| 12:43.33 | ron_ | LordFrith: Nice setup indeed. (I am not in that business, but nice :) ) |
| 12:43.34 | liable | ron_: I know lilo can, but havent seen docs on grub |
| 12:43.57 | doub | stouset: so you'll help the maintainer live a happier life |
| 12:44.17 | LordFrith | You could certainly make the next bootup have some set of deafult options, which you then override on a proper shutdown/reboot. |
| 12:44.19 | stouset | doub: Already talked to him on IRC. |
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| 12:44.33 | micce | Hi, why doesn't kde fontconfig learn about all x fonts installed automagically? |
| 12:44.34 | CrypticSquared | hey wondering if someone can help? i uninstalled apache2 cause it wasn't installed properly. Now when i run /etc/init.d/apache2 start, it just returns to the prompt no msg, nothing??? |
| 12:44.37 | hellfire100 | lordfrith: doesnt the kernel print a message when it panics? |
| 12:44.46 | CrypticSquared | oh i did reinstall it |
| 12:44.54 | LordFrith | hellfire100: Yeah, but you don't want a Pnic'd kernel writing to disk. |
| 12:45.00 | ron_ | hellfire100: It might be possible in some cases(but not all). (I don't know how the kernel exactly works) |
| 12:45.06 | pyroscroll | ok |
| 12:45.12 | pyroscroll | i cant fidn the temperature there |
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| 12:45.19 | pyroscroll | is there an app that can help me with this |
| 12:45.20 | pyroscroll | ? |
| 12:45.32 | liable | pyroscroll: lm_sensors? |
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| 12:45.40 | hellfire100 | lordfrith: youre right. |
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| 12:46.10 | liable | a panicked kernel doesnt even mount the disk? |
| 12:46.20 | sep | CrypticSquared: did you remove and --purge it or just remove ? |
| 12:46.31 | CrypticSquared | purged it as well |
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| 12:46.36 | CrypticSquared | do it again sep? |
| 12:46.37 | LordFrith | liable: Worse, a panic'd kernel might have a disk mounted. |
| 12:46.58 | ron_ | Anyone using vpnc? |
| 12:46.58 | hellfire100 | ron_: my lack of knowledge on the linux kernel always drives me to such "manual" approaches like the remote gizmo... |
| 12:47.10 | LordFrith | When a kernel has panic'd, what it's saying is that some fact it thought was true, isn't, and therefore something bad has been corrupted somewhere. |
| 12:47.19 | hellfire100 | ron_: using vpnc as client. |
| 12:47.38 | liable | LordFrith: hmmm, all the ones I seen, were at the start of boot, no drivers loaded, so how can a disk be mounted? |
| 12:47.44 | LordFrith | And since it doesn't know what it can/can't trust anymore, it might not even know what bloicks of a disk it should be reading/writing. |
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| 12:48.06 | jharrisonwk | LordFrith: I though the kernel just had an anxiety disorder |
| 12:48.07 | jm_ | ron_: it's in GRUB docs |
| 12:48.08 | LordFrith | liable: Well, it is reading from the disk, right? |
| 12:48.10 | ron_ | hellfire100: I have no idea of how to connect to my university. (and I don't want to use the Cisco VPN kernel module). |
| 12:48.12 | jharrisonwk | s/though/thought |
| 12:48.23 | LordFrith | liable: And anyway, you can get a panic well after a boot process. |
| 12:48.31 | pyroscroll | this is rediculous |
| 12:48.32 | LordFrith | Especially with experiemental modules. |
| 12:48.45 | pyroscroll | where do i find lm sensors |
| 12:48.52 | pyroscroll | anotehr application that installed thats not on the menu |
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| 12:49.04 | light_punch2 | is there a debian for playstation2? |
| 12:49.20 | sep | CrypticSquared, coudnt hurt, also check your /etc/default/apache2 file |
| 12:49.38 | ron_ | hellfire100: Do you know of some tutorial for vpnc? |
| 12:49.53 | simonrvn | yeh, check your mod_perl2 startup scripts ;) |
| 12:50.03 | liable | LordFrith: no, usually panics cause it cant read the disk, then even if its to do with another module, why would it write too disk? |
| 12:50.04 | CrypticSquared | sep did, problem was no matter what i changed in it or the sites- folders, it wouldnt have an effect |
| 12:50.05 | hellfire100 | ron_: no, but i could tell you what my conf lookes like. |
| 12:50.35 | ron_ | hellfire100: Please do. pastebin.com would be a great place. |
| 12:50.44 | LordFrith | liable: The question in this case was, "If the kernel panic's, could it rewrite the grub to do the next reboot with some given set of options." |
| 12:50.45 | hellfire100 | ron_: moment... |
| 12:51.19 | jethro | damn they must've busted me using the http proxy to ssh outside, I keep getting disconnected |
| 12:51.28 | LordFrith | liable: And I am pointing out that, no, this would not be a safe idea. |
| 12:51.52 | liable | LordFrith: yes it can be done. |
| 12:51.58 | stouset | LordFrith: Indeed it would not. If the kernel has panicked, something very bad and serious has happened. Trying to do a write to a critical area of the disk is probably not safe. |
| 12:52.01 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: lm-sensors doesn't have a GUI so it doesn't make much sense to put it on a GUI menu |
| 12:52.04 | LordFrith | liable: And while most common panics are due to wrong modules for mounting a disk, far from all f them are. |
| 12:52.17 | ron_ | LordFrith: But how do you upgrade your powermanagement server? :) |
| 12:52.23 | stouset | LordFrith: It's not inherently unsafe, but I sure as hell know I wouldn't trust it. |
| 12:52.24 | olecr | I did something wrong when I tried upgrading the kernel.. It doesn't boot now.. I get a "VFS: Vannot open root device "sda1" or 08:01" .. I believe this is caused because ips.o is no longer preloaded .. I used make-kpkg --revision2430:zak && dpkg -i../kernel-image... It used my preexisting lilo.conf, which seems to load /vmlinuz and /vmllinuz.old (link to prior kernel).. The vmlinuz (Linux) directive in the config has a initrd line aswell, but there is no image |
| 12:52.26 | liable | LordFrith: if a kernel panics, ie, doesnt load in xx secs, then reboot to kernel x |
| 12:52.48 | IDC | :) |
| 12:52.58 | jm_ | olecr: have you built a custom kernel? |
| 12:53.05 | liable | LordFrith: let me look for a link I found |
| 12:53.07 | olecr | jm: yes thats what I tried |
| 12:53.19 | jm_ | olecr: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 12:53.22 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: lm-sensors is mostly a low-level means of actually getting sensor data from the hardware, though it provides a simple command-line tool for viewing the data... you'd want something such as gkrellm, GNOME hardware monitor, etc. to view the sensors data graphically |
| 12:53.26 | hellfire100 | ron_: http://pastebin.com/282078 |
| 12:53.45 | olecr | jm: at first it ran and booted kwenies bf-2.4 derivate with ips.o module |
| 12:54.59 | olecr | jm: how can i "rescue" my current filesystem, and just install a new kernel? |
| 12:55.04 | ron_ | hellfire100: IPSec gateway <192.168.255.154> this is *your* gateway? Or is this something I should change? I don't run IPSec. |
| 12:55.04 | jm_ | olecr: well you either failed to build or load initrd module, it's best to add such things as static (see dpkg's msg) |
| 12:55.12 | LordFrith | liable: Right, but that's a grub thing, not a "kernel rewrites the boot block" thing. |
| 12:55.13 | jm_ | olecr: boot with a rescue medium |
| 12:55.27 | pyroscroll | Unable to find i2c bus information; |
| 12:55.27 | pyroscroll | For 2.6 kernels, make sure you have mounted sysfs and done |
| 12:55.27 | pyroscroll | 'modprobe i2c_sensor'! |
| 12:55.27 | hellfire100 | ron_: remove the "<" ">". and the "IPSec secret" is your groupassword not your userpassword. You have to change all entries. |
| 12:55.27 | olecr | rescue root==/dev/sda1 wont work, because it doesn't load ips.o |
| 12:55.28 | LordFrith | liable: Which is basically what I gave as an option as well. |
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| 12:55.46 | olecr | ips.o = IBM ServeRAID |
| 12:55.50 | LordFrith | /usr/src/linux]$ egrep -r '[^a-zA-Z_]panic\s*\(' * | wc -l |
| 12:55.51 | LordFrith | 1024 |
| 12:55.52 | liable | LordFrith: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html#set_up_kernel_for_reboot |
| 12:55.55 | pyroscroll | how do i mount sysfs |
| 12:56.04 | ron_ | hellfire100: Yes, I do get the other stuff, I just wondered about the first. |
| 12:56.08 | jethro | simonrvn: munchies? |
| 12:56.20 | asg | !feed simonrvn |
| 12:56.23 | simonrvn | jethro: haven't smoked =) |
| 12:56.27 | pyroscroll | how do i mount sysfs |
| 12:56.46 | LordFrith | liable: Yes, and? |
| 12:56.49 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys |
| 12:56.49 | supaman | pyroscroll: man mount |
| 12:56.50 | liable | pyroscroll: what you want to mount? |
| 12:56.56 | pyroscroll | Unable to find i2c bus information; |
| 12:56.56 | IDC | If you have 2 PCs,different specs,which one would you use it for your own server ? the higher-specs one or the another ? |
| 12:56.56 | pyroscroll | For 2.6 kernels, make sure you have mounted sysfs and done |
| 12:56.57 | pyroscroll | 'modprobe i2c_sensor'! |
| 12:57.02 | liable | LordFrith: the load once option |
| 12:57.13 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: sysfs is probably already mounted, though |
| 12:57.23 | olecr | jm: any suggestions? (kwenies bf2.4 derivate includes an ips.o module on the CD, but it is loaded interactively in the setup menu.. I cannot find the boot parameter (if it exists) to preload it at boot time.. |
| 12:57.30 | pyroscroll | where can i find modprobe |
| 12:57.31 | pyroscroll | then |
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| 12:57.35 | asg | pyroscroll: /sbin |
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| 12:57.39 | liable | LordFrith: ie, load this kernel once, if it shits itself, then load the original |
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| 12:58.00 | supaman | IDC: I dont run servers but most of the time my friends use the lower speced one for server stuff and the higher speced one to play games and do work on ... |
| 12:58.01 | pyroscroll | says its not found |
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| 12:58.03 | Kerr | my system hung earlier today, had to reboot it. How can i find out what caused it to die? |
| 12:58.04 | raboof | hum. a reboot seems to have fixed `top' etc.. |
| 12:58.15 | ron_ | hellfire100: Does it only run as root? |
| 12:58.20 | asg | pyroscroll: /sbin/modprobe doesn't exist? what does 'ls' say? |
| 12:58.26 | smurfix | Anybody know how to update a Plextor PX-708A? |
| 12:58.34 | hellfire100 | ron_: possible. |
| 12:58.41 | IDC | supaman, haha,im thinking of that too :) but will that be unfair for your server ? |
| 12:58.43 | LordFrith | liable: Right, which is a lilo/grub thing, not a "kernel rewrites the boot partition"-thing. |
| 12:58.48 | hellfire100 | ron_: but im not sure. |
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| 12:59.01 | olecr | smurfix: try firmware.fr.st |
| 12:59.01 | pyroscroll | pyroscroll@trivesta:/sbin$ modprobe i2c_sensor |
| 12:59.01 | pyroscroll | bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 12:59.01 | pyroscroll | pyroscroll@trivesta:/sbin$ cd modprobe |
| 12:59.01 | pyroscroll | bash: cd: modprobe: Not a directory |
| 12:59.01 | pyroscroll | pyroscroll@trivesta:/sbin$ |
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| 12:59.12 | asg | grrrrr |
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| 12:59.24 | asg | pyroscroll: run it as root since /sbin isn't in your user's path |
| 12:59.26 | simonrvn | duh |
| 12:59.27 | drac | so that's how $PATH works. |
| 12:59.27 | liable | LordFrith: why would a kernel write to anything during boot? you've lost me |
| 12:59.29 | drac | ;P |
| 12:59.33 | simonrvn | drac: ;p |
| 12:59.36 | olecr | pyroscroll.. try /sbin/modprobe i2c_sensori |
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| 12:59.37 | LordFrith | Yes, I definately belive it's possible to get the kernel to reboot itself. |
| 12:59.44 | supaman | IDC: what is the server supposed to do? If it is a simple server then you dont need no big machine for that ... but if the server is supposed to handle heavy duty calculations or needs much prcessing power then you need a good computer for the server |
| 12:59.48 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: Only root can modprobe things, btw |
| 12:59.55 | LordFrith | liable: Let's go back a bit. |
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| 13:00.14 | liable | LordFrith: wait, brb, gotta get a beer :) |
| 13:00.21 | Tise | lol |
| 13:00.23 | asg | mmmmm beer |
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| 13:00.35 | supaman | IDC: by simple I mean do basic web hosting, email and stuff like that ... |
| 13:00.50 | LordFrith | "<hellfire100> ron_: i wonder it it is possible to tell the kernel, before it panics to do a reboot with some boot options? (but im no expert in that)" |
| 13:01.01 | ron_ | What's the most common program to remotely boot a computer? |
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| 13:01.23 | LordFrith | ron_: bootp/dhcp |
| 13:01.29 | asg | ron_: remove serial console hardware (maybe WOL in you are into such things.) |
| 13:01.30 | simonrvn | sudo /sbin/modprobe foo (for pyroscroll) |
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| 13:01.40 | LordFrith | ron_: And WoL is quite nifty. |
| 13:01.42 | asg | s/remove/remote/ |
| 13:01.46 | LordFrith | Also power controllers. |
| 13:02.05 | hellfire100 | yeah. |
| 13:02.10 | IDC | supaman, what would you think a Celeron 850MHZ can do ? |
| 13:02.44 | supaman | IDC: anything a simple server needs ... |
| 13:03.03 | supaman | IDC: but it is allways good to have lots of memory in it |
| 13:03.14 | simonrvn | yes, lots o' RAM in it |
| 13:03.23 | pyroscroll | it says no sensors found |
| 13:03.25 | pyroscroll | thats rediculous |
| 13:03.33 | pyroscroll | my bios finds sensors |
| 13:03.40 | simonrvn | wow, someone who spelled rediculous correctly :) |
| 13:03.56 | cafuego | 512Mb will do for simple web/php/mail/sql |
| 13:04.09 | liable | pyroscroll: not a thinkpad? |
| 13:04.10 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: IIRC, you have to configure it first to know what sensors you have... "sensors-detect", I think, though I haven't used it recently |
| 13:04.17 | simonrvn | i need to boost it on this thing. it's at 512 now |
| 13:04.19 | jethro | where did you guys get this spelling for ridiculous? |
| 13:04.19 | stew | @spell rediculous |
| 13:04.22 | ravenbird | possible spellings for rediculous: ridiculous reticules ridicules meticulous reticule's ridicule's ridiculously radicals reticulum reticulum's |
| 13:04.34 | simonrvn | yeh. my bad. |
| 13:04.47 | simonrvn | @lart me |
| 13:04.54 | simonrvn | plonk |
| 13:05.02 | IDC | supaman, due to the limited network bindwidth,if you would only allow 100 people to use your BBS at the same time ,for that amount of bindwidth so you do not need a really fast machine ..so in this matter i wonder if a C-850 can handle the jobs fine ? |
| 13:05.03 | jethro | !lart simonrvn for not letting me lart him first |
| 13:05.12 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 13:05.19 | zignig | cafuego: we had ichat doing voip over adsl to a modem. |
| 13:05.23 | saintiss | this is weird: I've got two identical partitions, size x blocks. when I try to create a RAID-1 array with mdadm --create, cat /proc/mdstat shows the size of /dev/md0 is a few blocks less. When I reboot, fsck complains about the superblock indicating different size than the physical size... what can I do about this? |
| 13:05.24 | zignig | cafuego: it was quite good. |
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| 13:05.29 | simonrvn | zignig: hey, hi |
| 13:05.40 | cafuego | zignig: <heh> Got the iSight today, frightening the cats via the laptop :-) |
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| 13:06.03 | zignig | simonrvn: I thought you were asleep ;P |
| 13:06.04 | hellfire100 | liable: your machine a thinkpad? |
| 13:06.05 | ron_ | LordFrith: You mean that I can buy myself a very own George W. Bush? |
| 13:06.13 | liable | hellfire100: yes |
| 13:06.15 | zignig | cafuego: mmm cats. |
| 13:06.20 | simonrvn | zignig: i was. woke up a little while ago. have breakkie now |
| 13:06.21 | Wyzard | saintiss: The size of the array will be slightly smaller than the size of the component devices because the RAID driver stores some bookkeeping information at the end of each component device |
| 13:06.21 | hellfire100 | liable: 600 ? |
| 13:06.24 | cafuego | ron_: I hear they're going cheap on ebay |
| 13:06.30 | liable | hellfire100: r40 |
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| 13:06.38 | hellfire100 | liable: lucky you. |
| 13:06.51 | zignig | simonrvn: but it's 9:00 at night , breakfast at _this_ time !!! |
| 13:06.51 | j_k | saintiss: there is the md superblock that's taking a few blocks |
| 13:06.55 | schwuk | can someone help me with an exim4 problem? |
| 13:06.57 | simonrvn | zignig: ;) |
| 13:07.01 | saintiss | Wyzard, interesting... but why is fsck only complaining on that raid device, and not on others? |
| 13:07.05 | supaman | IDC: umm ... I dont think the processor or anything like that matters that much .. its the memory that matters, so just get lots of memory and you will be fine |
| 13:07.12 | j_k | saintiss: you should use the md device directly, wrt fsck |
| 13:07.16 | zignig | cafuego: have you got a .mac account ? |
| 13:07.16 | hellfire100 | liable: do the r40's have problems with their batteries? |
| 13:07.18 | simonrvn | 9:07 here (24h clock) |
| 13:07.24 | cafuego | zignig: yep |
| 13:07.29 | liable | hellfire100: bah, backlight shitting itself, and 'operating system found' the other day, had to pull the hdd out and put it back in |
| 13:07.33 | zignig | simonrvn: what's for brekkie ? |
| 13:07.33 | IDC | supaman, fine,thanks for the tips :) |
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| 13:07.39 | liable | hellfire100: yes mine sucks |
| 13:07.49 | incorrect | with apache2 are enabled mods controlled by a master config file like exim4? |
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| 13:07.55 | simonrvn | zignig: right now just a PB sandwich. will have something else later, dunno what yet |
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| 13:08.06 | zignig | bong and a beer ? |
| 13:08.07 | saintiss | j_k, I do... like fsck /dev/md0 you mean? that's what's happening, because that's what's in fstab |
| 13:08.13 | cafuego | bucket bong! |
| 13:08.19 | pyroscroll | it still says no sensors found |
| 13:08.21 | simonrvn | incorrect: modules in exim4? like sa-exim? |
| 13:08.40 | pyroscroll | yet detect-sensors detects something |
| 13:08.40 | j_k | saintiss: did you do this for mkfs as well ? |
| 13:08.41 | zignig | cafuego: that is quite specificly .au, I've noticed. |
| 13:08.41 | pyroscroll | should i reboot |
| 13:08.41 | simonrvn | incorrect: and no, there's no exim4modconf or whatever |
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| 13:08.51 | simonrvn | you would be incorrect on that point ;p |
| 13:08.52 | liable | pyroscroll: look in /proc/acpi |
| 13:09.08 | fatal_ | incorrect: use a2enmod/a2dismod to enable/disable modules in apache2... |
| 13:09.13 | hellfire100 | liable: so the ibm guys still didnt correct the battery design of their laptops. whatever: i just bought a new one before a month. until now its ok. |
| 13:09.19 | saintiss | j_k, hmm, you mean I may have done mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 instead of mkfs.ext3 /dev/md0? |
| 13:09.21 | simonrvn | fatal_: exim4, not apache2 |
| 13:09.35 | j_k | saintiss: yes. |
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| 13:09.51 | saintiss | j_k, hmm, that might indeed be the case... I'll have to check that... thanks for the info |
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| 13:10.18 | pyroscroll | what do i do in /proc/acpi |
| 13:10.24 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: sensors-detect just tells you what it finds... you have to write a config file to tell lm-sensors what sensors to actually read data from |
| 13:10.29 | simonrvn | fatal_: sorry, misread his thing |
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| 13:10.51 | liable | hellfire100: i love it, two years old, and I am a bit upset it shitting itself, but, I do give it a hard time, will buy another when this one dies |
| 13:10.56 | fatal_ | simonrvn: it's not totally clear... my guess is that he was talking about apache2... let's wait and see... ;) |
| 13:11.02 | simonrvn | :) |
| 13:11.04 | sonderblade | why doesnt apt-get install latex2html work? |
| 13:11.13 | asg | sonderblade: what error do you get? |
| 13:11.13 | simonrvn | because it doesn't like you? |
| 13:11.14 | pyroscroll | ok but what do i do in /proc/acpi |
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| 13:11.18 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: The reason sensors-detect doesn't write the config file for you is that on some systems, sensors may be detected that you don't want to actually read from, or there may be sensors that it can't fully detect so you must use trial-and-error |
| 13:11.28 | liable | brb, smoko |
| 13:11.34 | karim | hi |
| 13:11.39 | cafuego | zignig: sorry? |
| 13:11.43 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: Your documentation should explain how to properly configure lm-sensors |
| 13:11.46 | sonderblade | asg: E package latex2html has no installation candidate |
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| 13:11.54 | cafuego | zignig: Oh, the bucket bong, yes :-) |
| 13:11.57 | pyroscroll | what documentation |
| 13:12.02 | asg | sonderblade: what debian version do you have? |
| 13:12.04 | j_k | sonderblade: it's in non-free, afair |
| 13:12.13 | sonderblade | asg: debian unstable something |
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| 13:12.14 | hellfire100 | liable: how was it getting all the hardware running under linux? |
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| 13:12.16 | rednecktek | is anyone else seeing a "pause" while packages are installing when running apt-get upgrade |
| 13:12.16 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: You were reading some installation documentation earlier, right? |
| 13:12.17 | fatal_ | Wyzard: there's also some cases of actual hardware breakdown when reading from some sensors. |
| 13:12.20 | pyroscroll | wyzard i had this package manager install quite a few things and yet i cant find where they are |
| 13:12.25 | Wyzard | fatal_: I know, I own a Thinkpad |
| 13:12.28 | supaman | sonderblade: works fine here ... |
| 13:12.33 | pyroscroll | no |
| 13:12.33 | fatal_ | Wyzard: :P |
| 13:12.40 | pyroscroll | i just installed it and want to run it |
| 13:12.46 | pyroscroll | and just see my temps |
| 13:12.47 | pyroscroll | lol |
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| 13:12.53 | supaman | sonderblade: have you done apt-get update? (I am running testing btw) |
| 13:12.57 | pyroscroll | i had hddtemp installed and i dont knwo where that is |
| 13:13.18 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: The documentation for a package is generally found in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>... plus there are manpages for most programs, of course |
| 13:13.29 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: hddtemp is in /usr/sbin |
| 13:13.38 | simonrvn | of which most suck, or are incomplete |
| 13:13.39 | j_k | sonderblade: change 'main' to 'main contrib non-free' in /etc/apt/sources.list or use an alternative in mail (there are some i think) |
| 13:13.42 | asg | pyroscroll: the installed files of any package installed are available by using 'dpkg -L <pkg>' |
| 13:13.46 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: hddtemp -n /dev/hd(x) |
| 13:14.15 | Wyzard | pyroscroll: /bin and /usr/bin are on users' PATHs, so you can run them by just typing their name... additionally, /sbin and /usr/sbin are root's PATH |
| 13:14.16 | davis | hello |
| 13:14.52 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: you could use gkrellm or torsmo to show it |
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| 13:14.52 | sonderblade | j_k: i have it on "unstable main" should i change it to "unstable main contrib non-free"? |
| 13:14.55 | directhex|work | or superkaramba or gdesklets |
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| 13:15.04 | j_k | sonderblade: yes. |
| 13:15.12 | asg | or just write a script to place it in the title bar of your rxvts |
| 13:15.18 | j_k | sonderblade: then apt-get update && apt-get install latex2html. |
| 13:16.01 | incorrect | what controls /usr/sbin/update-apache2-modules ? |
| 13:16.02 | pyroscroll | streuner i dont understand |
| 13:16.10 | hellfire100 | bye everybody. |
| 13:16.17 | saintiss | j_k, by any chance, do you also know, in case of mdadm -a (hotadd), how it knows which device to synchronize to which? (e.g. if I hotadd an empty partition, how does it know it shouldn't empty the other partition, but rather fill the empty partition?) |
| 13:16.24 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: apt-get install gkrellm |
| 13:16.27 | lac | I have a bad problem. Somebody did an update on my (other) system (this is my laptop) and now all the characters are unreadable under KDE. Every char is a little box. |
| 13:16.44 | lac | I do not know where to begin looking for how to fix this. |
| 13:16.51 | sonderblade | j_k: now it works thanks |
| 13:17.04 | lac | it will also be hard since I cannot do 'ls' etc .... |
| 13:17.09 | liable | hellfire100: no dramas, at all really, but kernel headers and source for modem and wireless |
| 13:17.35 | liable | bah, hes gone |
| 13:17.35 | lac | but it is definitely not a kernel problem. Updating to a previous kernel did not fix. |
| 13:17.36 | ron_ | Is there some command to see all the hostnames inside a network? |
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| 13:17.40 | j_k | saintiss: i think it will synchronise the new partition to the ones already there, just a guess though. |
| 13:17.41 | asg | lac: check the xfree86 faq in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common |
| 13:17.47 | asg | lac: also, consult #debian-kde |
| 13:17.59 | jethro | !beer asg |
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| 13:18.11 | asg | ron_: dig, host, nslookup (if the network's dns servers are misconfigured.) |
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| 13:18.25 | lac | thanks asg: |
| 13:18.35 | WW | Hello, world. |
| 13:18.38 | asg | jethro: still 9am here, beer doesn't begin to flow for another hour or so. ;) |
| 13:18.46 | saintiss | j_k, ok thanks |
| 13:19.02 | jethro | aaah my bad |
| 13:19.09 | jethro | asg: how are you today ? |
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| 13:19.19 | asg | jethro: no worries, I'm on holiday this week so the beer fridge is stocked. |
| 13:19.30 | liable | woot |
| 13:19.42 | LordFrith | So I have an interview tomorrow. I am happy. |
| 13:19.42 | pyroscroll | he has a dedicated beer fridge server |
| 13:19.46 | jethro | asg: lucky you |
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| 13:19.59 | jethro | asg: I wish I didn't have this contract to deal with |
| 13:20.04 | asg | jethro: well, I haven't had one in 8 months or so and needed some downtime. |
| 13:20.06 | pyroscroll | btp (Beer Transfer Protocol) |
| 13:20.08 | pyroscroll | :P |
| 13:20.10 | WW | I would like to set up a second print queue for a printer. The second queue would default to double-sided. Is there a GUI way to do this? I'm using gnome. |
| 13:20.11 | asg | !uubp |
| 13:20.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, uubp is Unix-to-Unix beer protocol |
| 13:20.12 | jethro | badly in need for vacation as well |
| 13:20.17 | cmug | btp://localhost:mouth |
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| 13:20.40 | pyroscroll | btp://localhost:cupholder |
| 13:20.42 | jethro | otoh, having a contract to deal with implies money earned soo.. |
| 13:20.45 | pyroscroll | is the correct format |
| 13:20.52 | simonrvn | echo "beer" > /dev/mouth |
| 13:20.52 | asg | jethro: indeed |
| 13:21.05 | ron_ | asg: I tried all your commands, but none seem to give me a list of hostnames (I did see the rootservers, though). |
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| 13:21.36 | asg | ron_: like I said, if the dns servers are configured properly, no unauthorized person should be able to get a list of all hosts. |
| 13:21.49 | positrix | did you seee the episode of megatokyo where largo made a beer-cooled beowulf cluster? |
| 13:21.55 | asg | ron_: if they are misconfigured, you can do a zone transfer. |
| 13:22.06 | streuner_ | jethro: debian shirts are much nicer ;-) |
| 13:22.06 | ron_ | asg: Ok (so the network admins are not that bad) |
| 13:22.18 | asg | ron_: well, make sure you tried to do a full zone transfer |
| 13:22.25 | ron_ | asg: What's a zone transfer? |
| 13:22.27 | jethro | streuner_: I had the "what your mum would use" yesterday, trying to vary a bit :) |
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| 13:22.36 | asg | ron_: it gets a copy of the dns server's zone file configuration. |
| 13:22.41 | jethro | hi streuner_ btw |
| 13:22.46 | streuner_ | hi |
| 13:22.51 | pyroscroll | whyi s it so hard to check AGP temperature |
| 13:23.06 | ron_ | asg: Which command will do that? |
| 13:23.10 | asg | ron_: you could also do a broadcast ping and then dig -x what comes back (that'll only work for your connected subnet though.) |
| 13:23.11 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: for the videocard? |
| 13:23.14 | pyroscroll | yes |
| 13:23.19 | pyroscroll | thats all i wanna do |
| 13:23.22 | liable | pyroscroll: maybe your card doesnt have a sensor? |
| 13:23.23 | asg | ron_: any of the ones I listed should be able to perform a zone transfer. |
| 13:23.54 | asg | ron_: i.e. 'dig foo axfr' |
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| 13:24.29 | liable | pyroscroll: you looked in /proc/acpi? |
| 13:24.29 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: i doubt there is a sensor on it |
| 13:24.41 | ron_ | asg: ; Transfer failed. (so this means it's secured) Thanks |
| 13:24.41 | pyroscroll | ok can i check cpu temp |
| 13:24.45 | pyroscroll | without going to bios |
| 13:24.46 | pyroscroll | ? |
| 13:25.04 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: run 'sensors' as root |
| 13:25.05 | asg | ron_: you're welcome |
| 13:25.16 | asg | ron_: you might ask #dns, they may know somethings that I don't. |
| 13:25.17 | liable | pyroscroll: /proc/acpi/blah/blah :) its there somewhere |
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| 13:25.38 | pyroscroll | streuner it says no sensors found |
| 13:25.48 | nakee | is there a package of amd4 cross compiler for i686? |
| 13:25.50 | pyroscroll | but neither did i edit the config, cuz i dont know where the config file is |
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| 13:26.05 | stouset | Woot. |
| 13:26.12 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: uname -a |
| 13:26.14 | stouset | I just got accepted into the Georgia Tech CSmasters program. |
| 13:26.16 | nakee | Im trying to compile the kernel for 64bit but it's acting werid.. |
| 13:26.21 | asg | nakee: try #debian-amd64 |
| 13:26.30 | asg | !congratulate stouset |
| 13:26.30 | dpkg | Yay stouset, you did it! |
| 13:26.38 | liable | pyroscroll: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature |
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| 13:26.46 | stouset | =D |
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| 13:27.17 | pyroscroll | i dont have |
| 13:27.19 | pyroscroll | such folders |
| 13:27.20 | liable | pyroscroll: cat it |
| 13:27.27 | pyroscroll | cat it? |
| 13:27.28 | asg | pyroscroll: modprobe thermal |
| 13:27.30 | liable | pyroscroll: no acpi? |
| 13:27.43 | pyroscroll | no no thermal_zone/THM0/temperature |
| 13:28.09 | liable | ^^ asg |
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| 13:28.22 | pyroscroll | modprobe thermal |
| 13:28.23 | pyroscroll | does nothing |
| 13:28.33 | asg | pyroscroll: does the thermal_zone/foo directories exist now? |
| 13:28.34 | liable | thsta good |
| 13:28.40 | asg | s/does/do/ |
| 13:28.44 | liable | shit |
| 13:29.01 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 13:29.07 | liable | s/thsta/thats |
| 13:29.08 | asg | liable: beer is a diuretic |
| 13:29.13 | pyroscroll | no |
| 13:29.21 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: uname -a |
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| 13:29.32 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: show us what you get |
| 13:29.36 | liable | asg: also finger diareah |
| 13:29.40 | pyroscroll | Linux trivesta 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Mon Jan 24 02:32:52 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:29.54 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: and you have lm-sensors installed? |
| 13:29.58 | liable | which is also spelt wrong |
| 13:30.02 | pyroscroll | yes |
| 13:30.09 | pyroscroll | but i dont know how to configure/use it |
| 13:30.12 | crashbg | what is the difference between 2.6.8-2 and 2.6.8-1 ? |
| 13:30.16 | CrypticSquared | hey how does one change the console resolution? |
| 13:30.18 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: run 'sensors-detect' |
| 13:30.20 | notty | i get this error when i try to use pptp to connect to a server, after the connection is done i cannot send any data: Protocol-Reject for unsupported protocol 0x7 any ideea why ? |
| 13:30.26 | pyroscroll | i did that |
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| 13:32.26 | liable | pyroscroll: ls /proc/acpi |
| 13:32.34 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: mbmon |
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| 13:33.07 | pyroscroll | ok |
| 13:33.12 | liable | pyroscroll: /etc/init.d/acpid restart after loading thermal module |
| 13:33.14 | pyroscroll | im in thermal zone |
| 13:33.20 | drac | crashbg: -1 is even more buggy than -2. |
| 13:33.31 | ron_ | I am trying to connect to a vpn network via vpnc, but all I get is a prompt waiting for input(no timeout, no error, nothing. |
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| 13:34.20 | pyroscroll | mbmon command not found |
| 13:34.27 | streuner_ | install it |
| 13:35.14 | teknoprep | CrypticSquared what resolution do you want your console to be |
| 13:35.23 | liable | pyroscroll: cat the thermal_zone file for your cpu/graphics |
| 13:35.24 | pyroscroll | it gives me 3 temperatures |
| 13:35.31 | vezult | anyone know a good channel on which to ask an amd64-ish hardware question? #hardware is a ghost channel, it seems. |
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| 13:35.46 | pyroscroll | cat? |
| 13:35.48 | pyroscroll | whats cat |
| 13:35.49 | CrypticSquared | i dont know, teknoprep but i would like to know how to change it so as i can play around with it |
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| 13:35.53 | streuner_ | pyroscroll: the value on the left side is the temp for CPU |
| 13:36.06 | pyroscroll | theres 2 more sensors |
| 13:36.12 | teknoprep | CrypticSquared do this |
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| 13:36.16 | zignig | BOOM! |
| 13:36.20 | teknoprep | nano /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:36.22 | liable | cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/blah/blah |
| 13:36.26 | zignig | zignig's adsl modem freaks out. |
| 13:36.27 | teknoprep | put this at the end for your kernel= linux |
| 13:36.29 | teknoprep | line |
| 13:36.33 | teknoprep | change linux to line |
| 13:36.36 | teknoprep | video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr vga=0x31A |
| 13:36.38 | CrypticSquared | thanks teknoprep |
| 13:36.41 | teknoprep | put that at the end of that line |
| 13:36.42 | stew | !tell teknoprep about enter |
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| 13:36.43 | teknoprep | sorry |
| 13:36.44 | pyroscroll | whats blahblah |
| 13:36.56 | teknoprep | i skrewed up my spelling i know about enter foo |
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| 13:37.10 | vezult | pyroscroll: it's a technical term, i think. |
| 13:37.18 | pyroscroll | well |
| 13:37.20 | pyroscroll | it didnt work |
| 13:37.24 | pyroscroll | said no such directory |
| 13:37.31 | abrotman | teknoprep: skrewed? |
| 13:37.41 | pyroscroll | cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/blah/blah |
| 13:37.41 | xstar | which is the proper screen res to watch vcd with kaffeine? |
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| 13:38.17 | liable | dude, wherever the files are for your temp sensors, try 'ls /proc/acpi/thermal_zone' |
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| 13:38.40 | liable | pyroscroll: should be thmo |
| 13:38.48 | abrotman | what's the URL for new stuff going into unstable ? |
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| 13:38.50 | stew | xstar: vcd resolution is 352x240 if that helps. i dunno anything about kaffeine |
| 13:38.51 | pyroscroll | there snothing there |
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| 13:39.00 | stew | abrotman: ftp-master.debian.org/new.html? |
| 13:39.02 | abrotman | stew: you know it! |
| 13:39.02 | Penix | !incoming |
| 13:39.03 | dpkg | from memory, incoming is to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources#s-incoming-system |
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| 13:39.19 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. i think you showed me before :0 |
| 13:39.44 | xstar | stew, that low? |
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| 13:40.16 | stew | xstar: uhh, i lied |
| 13:40.22 | stew | xstar: actually no i didn't |
| 13:40.25 | stew | svcd is 480 X 576 |
| 13:41.18 | pyroscroll | these readng are in celsious |
| 13:41.23 | pyroscroll | celcius |
| 13:41.29 | xstar | stew, so 1024x768 is too big for vcd? |
| 13:41.30 | pyroscroll | damn thats hot |
| 13:41.39 | pyroscroll | the third reading is 60 |
| 13:42.00 | liable | pyroscroll: well most educated people use celsius :) |
| 13:42.02 | stew | xstar: whatever you are viewing with should be able to scale it up without a problem |
| 13:42.15 | pyroscroll | isnt 60 on fire? |
| 13:42.15 | pyroscroll | lol |
| 13:42.31 | xstar | stew, when i scale it to 1240x1024, it becomes jerky. |
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| 13:42.41 | abrotman | should incoming match the new.html page ? |
| 13:42.55 | Penix | 60C is nothing |
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| 13:43.02 | liable | pyroscroll: 60 is a bit hot, but not crazy |
| 13:43.04 | Penix | my Duron does that ;P |
| 13:43.23 | Penix | if I'm Call of Duty whoring |
| 13:43.24 | jm_ | well you won't see it go much over 60, maybe 65, but that's it |
| 13:43.29 | stew | abrotman: new is for packages that have never been in debian before imcoming is new uploads of old packages |
| 13:43.32 | pyroscroll | thats my third reading |
| 13:43.37 | xstar | stew, which player do you watch vcd with? |
| 13:43.42 | stew | xstar: mplayer |
| 13:43.56 | pyroscroll | Temp.= 34.0, 24.5, 59.5; Rot.= 0, 5973, 5232 |
| 13:43.56 | pyroscroll | Vcore = 1.52, 4.08; Volt. = 3.38, 5.00, 11.73, 0.97, 1.99 |
| 13:44.03 | xstar | stew, what res do you use? |
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| 13:44.18 | stew | xstar: my tv runs at 848x480 so i watch vcds at 480x480 |
| 13:44.27 | liable | pyroscroll: you compiling or anything funny |
| 13:44.44 | abrotman | stew: oh .. i thought new was for new versions |
| 13:44.49 | xstar | rather low. |
| 13:44.54 | abrotman | stew: hrm .. incoming to sid is one day ? |
| 13:45.04 | ron_ | Anyone experience with vpnc? |
| 13:45.05 | stew | abrotman: no new is where they sit until an ftp master can look over the code and make sure its all dfsg compliant |
| 13:45.12 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 13:45.25 | abrotman | stew: funny .. i still see mplayer there :) |
| 13:45.26 | pingouin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.26 | stew | abrotman: i'm not sure excactly how incoming works |
| 13:45.35 | pyroscroll | compiling? |
| 13:45.36 | streuner_ | jm_: http://lena.franken.de/hardware/temperaturmessung.html <-- its in german, its a little sensor in a server-room which mails or inform the admin of the temp inside the room |
| 13:45.38 | pyroscroll | what? no |
| 13:45.42 | ron_ | I have a password and I think a server address and a username, but it doesn't really works. |
| 13:45.57 | pyroscroll | my pc has been on for 4 weeks without shutdown |
| 13:46.03 | wintix | i organize a lan party at our local youth club. there are two dsl routers and i just wanted to know if it is possible to balance load at both of them? beacuse one dsl line might be a littlebit small. |
| 13:46.04 | stew | abrotman: http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 13:46.19 | pyroscroll | get a switch |
| 13:46.20 | jm_ | streuner_: we have a hadrware sensor which fires up an alarm if the temperature goes overboard |
| 13:46.22 | abrotman | stew: i know .. i read it a while ago .. i just think it's funny he's still trying |
| 13:46.29 | stew | yeah |
| 13:47.09 | wintix | pyroscroll: did u mean me? |
| 13:47.09 | stew | i especially like this part: One theory: mplayer.deb seems to be a "tinderbox" - Anyone who has prolongued exposure to it gets frustrated by the legal grey areas and its history, so they start flaming innocent bystanders for being wary... |
| 13:47.15 | tpr | anyone has experience on 3com wlan pcmcia cards on a debian platform? |
| 13:47.16 | pyroscroll | yeah |
| 13:47.30 | pyroscroll | a switch can even the load between 2 routers |
| 13:47.33 | streuner_ | jm_: yeah, that what the people saysing too, if they away on sunday and come back 10 boxes could be broken then... |
| 13:47.36 | stew | wintix: look up multi homed at lartc.org |
| 13:47.44 | linuxfreck | wintix: http://www.lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html#AEN298 |
| 13:48.22 | wintix | linuxfreck, stew: thank you :) |
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| 13:50.20 | nse | which cd recording tool for GNOME? something like K3B for KDE.. |
| 13:50.46 | stouset | nse: nautilus-cd-burner |
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| 13:51.31 | drac | nse: and/or gnomebaker ;) |
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| 13:51.38 | nse | stouset: does it rip audio cd's? |
| 13:51.39 | directhex|work | graveman is nice |
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| 13:52.02 | directhex|work | nse, use goobox to rip audio cd |
| 13:52.14 | nse | is there an all-in-one? |
| 13:52.19 | liable | nse: xcdroast |
| 13:52.28 | Nuit_Linux | Alguem do Brasil? |
| 13:52.39 | nse | !br |
| 13:52.39 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:52.43 | liable | nse: grip |
| 13:52.56 | directhex|work | nse, not a good one. this is unix, use the best tool for a job |
| 13:53.06 | directhex|work | s/unix/*nix/ |
| 13:53.20 | Nuit_Linux | ok |
| 13:53.22 | Nuit_Linux | obrigado |
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| 13:53.27 | nse | de nada |
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| 13:54.05 | jethro | what's the difference between unix and *nix ? |
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| 13:54.25 | jharrisonwk | mmmmmmm mcvitties chocolate wheat biscuits |
| 13:54.49 | boycer | !start a snack war |
| 13:54.53 | asg | jharrisonwk: oooooh, haven't had those in years |
| 13:54.57 | abrotman | jethro: it's a lame attempt to generalize unix based/looking OSs |
| 13:54.58 | boycer | !start a biscuit war |
| 13:55.01 | jharrisonwk | asg: mmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 13:55.06 | tpr | anyone has experience on 3com wlan pcmcia cards on a debian platform? |
| 13:55.07 | jharrisonwk | asg: I get them all the time :) |
| 13:55.09 | boycer | darn it |
| 13:55.15 | jethro | abrotman: ok |
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| 13:55.33 | asg | jharrisonwk: I get them now and again when people come over; haven't had any in a while though I do have some Penguin biscuits. |
| 13:55.36 | abrotman | jethro: UNIX is a trademark .. and has a standard .. *NIX would include UNIX/BSDs/Linux/etc |
| 13:55.47 | jethro | abrotman: I see the point |
| 13:55.50 | jharrisonwk | asg: you are in SC? |
| 13:55.55 | asg | jharrisonwk: NC |
| 13:55.56 | abrotman | asg: NC sucks |
| 13:56.03 | asg | jharrisonwk: but only a few miles from the border |
| 13:56.04 | jharrisonwk | asg: my wife is from TN |
| 13:56.12 | jharrisonwk | asg: I can mail you some when we go to visit her family |
| 13:56.13 | asg | abrotman: you don't have to tell me, it blows I agree. |
| 13:56.16 | simonrvn | my wife is from georgia |
| 13:56.27 | asg | jharrisonwk: cool :) |
| 13:56.27 | jharrisonwk | simonrvn: is she a georgia peach? |
| 13:56.29 | jharrisonwk | :) |
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| 13:56.32 | jharrisonwk | asg: no problem |
| 13:56.42 | jharrisonwk | asg: do you like the dark chocolate ones or the milk chocolate? |
| 13:56.45 | abrotman | asg: no .. actually .. it wasn't so bad .. my friend didn't know a whole lot about her area .. despite living there for 3 years |
| 13:56.50 | asg | jharrisonwk: both :) |
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| 13:56.52 | simonrvn | she said something about that expression.. can't recall now.. |
| 13:56.57 | jharrisonwk | asg: do you like the plain as well? |
| 13:57.07 | asg | jharrisonwk: not as much, I'm a chocoholic |
| 13:57.13 | jharrisonwk | asg: me too :) |
| 13:57.19 | simonrvn | asg: yar :) |
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| 13:59.17 | abrotman | asg: how close are you to lake mackintosh ? |
| 13:59.23 | asg | abrotman: never heard of it |
| 13:59.34 | asg | abrotman: there's only Wyle and Norman near here. |
| 13:59.35 | liable | g'night folks |
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| 13:59.38 | jharrisonwk | asg: how close are you to ashville? |
| 13:59.38 | asg | night |
| 13:59.44 | asg | jharrisonwk: about 2 to 3 hours out |
| 13:59.45 | abrotman | asg: it's off highway 61 or something |
| 13:59.48 | jethro | g'night liable |
| 13:59.50 | jharrisonwk | asg: cool |
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| 13:59.59 | jharrisonwk | asg: I have an aunt and uncle in ashville |
| 14:00.05 | abrotman | asg: you can rent a canoe for 4 horus for $8 |
| 14:00.12 | asg | jharrisonwk: ah, nice. |
| 14:00.16 | jharrisonwk | asg: well they are on a mountain near ashville |
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| 14:00.29 | asg | abrotman: nature and I try to stay at a safe distance. |
| 14:00.41 | asg | jharrisonwk: it's a nice part of the world |
| 14:00.46 | abrotman | asg: it's not that bad .. it's quite nice .. very quiet(though it was mother's day |
| 14:00.48 | abrotman | ) |
| 14:00.51 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 14:00.56 | jharrisonwk | yeah unless you live in the middle of nowhere |
| 14:01.14 | abrotman | asg: but my friend really didn't want to go to the blues fest .. which was kind of a bummer |
| 14:01.18 | asg | jharrisonwk: some people crave that, I need bandwidth personally. |
| 14:01.28 | jharrisonwk | asg: yes me too |
| 14:01.40 | jharrisonwk | asg: my wife's family are still on dial up |
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| 14:01.45 | asg | abrotman: yeah, too bad :( |
| 14:01.54 | abrotman | asg: yes ..b ad |
| 14:01.55 | asg | jharrisonwk: good enough for irc |
| 14:02.03 | jharrisonwk | asg: yeah but not good for me |
| 14:02.07 | simonrvn | heh |
| 14:02.08 | asg | heh |
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| 14:02.10 | jharrisonwk | asg: I am use to 4mbit |
| 14:02.27 | asg | jharrisonwk: yeah, work has spoiled me, that's for sure. |
| 14:02.31 | jharrisonwk | asg: 4mbit at home and sitting on OC48 fibre at work |
| 14:03.12 | asg | jharrisonwk: not bad at all |
| 14:03.17 | jharrisonwk | nope |
| 14:03.24 | jharrisonwk | not bad for a 3rd world country |
| 14:03.25 | jharrisonwk | :) |
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| 14:03.38 | asg | jharrisonwk: hah |
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| 14:04.07 | simonrvn | god damn.. PHAT pipes... |
| 14:04.17 | tarzeau | Phated: you play it now? |
| 14:04.23 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau! |
| 14:04.29 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: tried the game yet? |
| 14:04.36 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: game? |
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| 14:05.07 | jethro | dpkg: moo |
| 14:05.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 14:05.18 | olecr | assuming the only module I need to preload is ips.o .. is it enough to put a line "ips" in /etc/mkinitrd/modules and do a mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.2.4.30 ? |
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| 14:06.28 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: bub-n-bros.sf.net and #bub-n-bros |
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| 14:07.00 | f00bar | my windows in my screen session seem to have a strange limited scrollback |
| 14:07.11 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: a new game |
| 14:07.31 | f00bar | shift+pageup just moves above where the screen session started |
| 14:07.33 | jethro | f00bar: you don't use scroll up/down nor page up/down to scroll in screen |
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| 14:07.33 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yeah, up to 10 network players |
| 14:07.40 | jethro | f00bar: man screen |
| 14:07.46 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I can aptitude it yes? |
| 14:07.46 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: 1-3 on one keyboard! |
| 14:07.47 | f00bar | jethro: ok thanks |
| 14:07.55 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: not yet, i'm working on a pkg though |
| 14:07.59 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: with about 5 mini games |
| 14:08.02 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hurry up |
| 14:08.06 | simonrvn | f00bar: ^a-esc then you can hit pgup to scroll up |
| 14:08.09 | jethro | f00bar: entering copy mode is a way to do what you want |
| 14:08.09 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: just install it manually now! |
| 14:08.13 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes I will |
| 14:08.18 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but packaging is good |
| 14:08.22 | WW | Could anyone help me set up a second print queue for a printer? I would like the second queue to default to double-sided printing. |
| 14:08.22 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: tonight we play (after 3 hours) |
| 14:08.24 | simonrvn | but read the man page, it covers a lot more |
| 14:08.27 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ok |
| 14:08.48 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: or i will send you to the cockburn island! |
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| 14:09.02 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ooooo its coded in python |
| 14:09.05 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: :D |
| 14:09.14 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you need python2.3-dev |
| 14:09.26 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: hey better than Basic, Pascal or Perl after all |
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| 14:09.33 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yeah |
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| 14:10.17 | olecr | i have successfully installed a linux kernel from kwenies bf2.4 custom boot disk.. and done a cp /boot/config-2.4.26 /usr/src/linux/.config .. then make oldconfig and make menuconfig and removed some redundant drivers... then i dida make-kpkg --initrd --revision=1:zak2430 kernel_image && dpkg -i ../kernel-image-2.4.30.zak2430.deb .. Created the boot disk and run lilo.. then i added "ips" to /etc/mkinitrd/modules and did a mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.2.4.30 .. after |
| 14:10.34 | olecr | I really really do not want to reinstall from scratch again.. :) |
| 14:10.41 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we sunk the cockburn island |
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| 14:11.04 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: too many people were complaining that it was too hot |
| 14:11.07 | jharrisonwk | ;) |
| 14:11.18 | f00bar | jethro, simonrvn, thanks |
| 14:11.38 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: do I want the client only? |
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| 14:11.48 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no you want it completely |
| 14:11.51 | olecr | the initrd.2.4.30 image is almost 4 times the size of the initrd.debinstall image that kwenies boot cd made.. I wonder hy that is... The only module I had to activate manually using kwenies bootCD was ips ... suggestions? |
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| 14:12.23 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ok I got it |
| 14:12.37 | WW | Well, here's a more specific question. I am using gnome, and in the Properties window for a printer, in the Paper tab, none of the little pull-down options (for Paper size, Paper type, etc) has any options. They actually appear to be disabled. Any clues how to fix this? |
| 14:12.46 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I msg you? |
| 14:12.49 | asg | olecr: if /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf had modules=all or modules=most, that's probably the reason why |
| 14:13.01 | directhex|work | WW, use a different printer driver suitable for your printer. check linuxprinting.org |
| 14:13.09 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yep |
| 14:13.20 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: or better yet talk in #bub-n-bros |
| 14:13.29 | olecr | ok. it has most.. is that bad? |
| 14:13.33 | asg | olecr: no |
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| 14:13.46 | asg | olecr: it just has more stuff in it, that's all |
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| 14:13.52 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: but I wanted to ask you something else |
| 14:13.59 | olecr | so it will still load ips.o aswell as long as I have that in 'modules' ? |
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| 14:14.18 | asg | olecr: it should do |
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| 14:14.39 | WW | directhex|work: Hmmm, but I have a print queue set up that already works with this printer. And I think the PPD file is correct. I'm just trying to create a second queue that has a different default option. |
| 14:14.48 | asg | olecr: also, make sure it is placed in an initrd/ directory in the kernel modules tree for the kernel you are building |
| 14:14.49 | thingfish | !ops BeGinneR onjoin spam. |
| 14:14.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: BeGinneR onjoin spam. |
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| 14:15.03 | olecr | asg: thanks!! I'm so frightened here to reboot, spent 2 hours figuring how to restore the server without reformatting the disks! |
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| 14:15.13 | thingfish | thanks, caphuso. |
| 14:15.15 | agx | Whenever i enter i got a private spam message *g* |
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| 14:15.20 | freespace | this is not strictly debian, but why does windows not recognise a fat32 partition created in linux using mkfs.vfat -F 32 ? |
| 14:15.23 | asg | olecr: just make sure to configure a known working kernel and then you can play all you want without fear |
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| 14:15.42 | RichiH | caphuso: so it did spam? |
| 14:15.49 | tarzeau | freespace: it should. what windows exactly? |
| 14:15.55 | freespace | xp/2k |
| 14:15.55 | caphuso | RichiH: #flood instead. Thank you. |
| 14:15.59 | hugo | how can I exclude the . dir in find? |
| 14:16.00 | caphuso | RichiH: sorry |
| 14:16.03 | ron_ | I want to connect with a Cisco VPN. But according to vpnc:Scrambled passwords from |
| 14:16.04 | freespace | it shows up in computer management as "unallocated" |
| 14:16.06 | ron_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.14 | caphuso | RichiH: 16:14 [BeGinneR] http://www.videoturk.t... |
| 14:16.20 | tarzeau | freespace: you did mkfs.vfat what exactly? |
| 14:16.29 | tarzeau | freespace: a partition or a complete medium? |
| 14:16.31 | RichiH | caphuso: k. it's gone from the network |
| 14:16.41 | ron_ | Does anyone know of a program which does not require third party kernel modules, but can connect to it? |
| 14:16.50 | freespace | mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda was what I did |
| 14:16.52 | jethro | ron_: a cisco vpn client? |
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| 14:17.05 | jethro | ron_: "a cisco vpn" is rather vague |
| 14:17.37 | kerneld | jethro as in tull? |
| 14:17.37 | freespace | could be the partition table being buggered |
| 14:17.51 | EdibleText | freespace, my first thought is you need to create a partition and format that.. |
| 14:18.04 | ron_ | jethro: I think VPN3000 Concentrator. |
| 14:18.06 | jethro | ron_: 1/ to make their silly vpn client work on linux follow their instructions. 2/ you can hardly use another client to connect to a cisco vpn concentrator |
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| 14:18.13 | jethro | kerneld: no |
| 14:18.14 | freespace | except of course thats its mountable and usable under linux |
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| 14:18.27 | freespace | but alright, i'll see if i can whack something up :) |
| 14:18.32 | jethro | think I ll get another nick someday, this jethro as in tull is getting boring |
| 14:18.34 | olecr | asg: i just copied the config 2-4-26 file to .config .. make oldconfig.. changed CPU to Pentium III and memorysize to 4GB.. then make-kpkg --initrd --revision=1:zak2430 kernel_image .. sounds right? j |
| 14:18.41 | ron_ | jethro: What a slackers. I hate third party kernel modules(see nvidia). |
| 14:18.46 | |murphy| | is there any german debian channel?? |
| 14:18.52 | EdibleText | !de |
| 14:18.52 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 14:18.53 | jethro | !de |
| 14:18.56 | thingfish | jethro: I think more of Jethro from The Beverly Hillbillies. |
| 14:19.05 | jethro | ron_: cisco vpn client is shit |
| 14:19.10 | jethro | !lart thingfish |
| 14:19.13 | jethro | :) |
| 14:19.14 | olecr | asg: do i need the --initrd clause btw?.. I just saw it in the man page for make-kpkg |
| 14:19.15 | thingfish | hehe |
| 14:19.17 | RichiH | jethro: indeed |
| 14:19.19 | |murphy| | thx |
| 14:19.23 | ron_ | Isn't there some tool, which can be run after you compile a kernel automatically, so that third party modules are compiled right away? |
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| 14:19.49 | jethro | ron_: module-assistant? |
| 14:19.50 | kerneld | dount cat /dev/urandom, dd it |
| 14:19.52 | ron_ | jethro: How so? It does work. I don't like their methods, though. |
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| 14:20.03 | ron_ | jethro: Serious does that do exactly this? |
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| 14:20.17 | olecr | !initrd |
| 14:20.17 | dpkg | well, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 14:20.43 | jethro | ron_: I don't think so, you need the kernel modules packaged for use with m-a I dsay. I ain't no m-a expert tho |
| 14:21.03 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I need java for the game? |
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| 14:21.14 | asg | olecr: try it, that should work. |
| 14:21.30 | jethro | ron_: it's a pain to get it working in linux, at least last time I tried, it wasn't able to handle nat. and thge way it's designed is really screwed imho, but that remains a personnal opinion |
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| 14:21.33 | ron_ | jethro: Well, I will check it out, but I have little hope. |
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| 14:21.43 | directhex|work | ron_, it's not automatic per se, but it is very easy |
| 14:21.53 | ron_ | jethro: I have NAT since sometime :( |
| 14:21.57 | jethro | ron_: get some real ipsec device insteadof a shitty vpn concentrator |
| 14:22.10 | ron_ | jethro: Uh, it's my university network. |
| 14:22.13 | directhex|work | ron_, e.g. "m-a a-i nvidia" will download and install everything needed to compile an nvidia kernel module, compile it as a debian package, and install it, for your current kernel |
| 14:22.21 | jethro | ron_: I suggest you use an ipsec gateway built on openbsd/isakmpd |
| 14:22.23 | olecr | how do i put sash, sh, fdisk, lilo in the initrd ? |
| 14:22.28 | olecr | is that possible... |
| 14:22.29 | ron_ | directhex|work: I need cisco vpn support. |
| 14:22.41 | ron_ | jethro: :? |
| 14:22.48 | jethro | directhex|work: isn't it based on debian packages tho? I mean don't we need some debian package for the cisco shit for m-a to work? |
| 14:22.55 | directhex|work | jethro, yes. |
| 14:23.06 | jethro | ok |
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| 14:23.18 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no |
| 14:23.24 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: of course not |
| 14:23.31 | ron_ | jethro: I can't just walk into the university building take the vpn server and install openbsd on it. Or am I missing something? |
| 14:23.39 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: when I try to join mozilla says I need java |
| 14:23.45 | jethro | ron_: unfortunately, you can't |
| 14:23.57 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: did you make? |
| 14:24.03 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: run ./BubBros.py |
| 14:24.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I just ran BubBros.py |
| 14:24.15 | jethro | ron_: I doubt they'll let you do it, and I doubt openbsd runs on the hardware cisco concentrator is made of |
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| 14:24.26 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you got sarge+? don't you have galeon, lynx or firefox? |
| 14:24.28 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 14:24.38 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i never had problems. it even works with internet explorer |
| 14:24.40 | ron_ | jethro: So the only option is to prey things get better, and use the crappy cisco client? |
| 14:24.49 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I have sarge |
| 14:24.58 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I have lynx and firefox |
| 14:25.03 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I did not do the make |
| 14:25.08 | olecr | i want to put sash and ips in the initrd, so whenever i need to upgrade firmware, etc I can just boot=/bin/sash or so and run mkdir floppy && mount /dev/fd0 floppy && ips send floppy/scsifw.bin && umount floppy && reboot and such .. Is that possible to put into a initrd? |
| 14:25.12 | jethro | ron_: indeed, or tell your admin at the uni that cisco is not good at all at making vpn hardware/software |
| 14:25.13 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: the make fails |
| 14:25.24 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: the make should not fail |
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| 14:25.25 | ron_ | It seems that company applied to technology gives you => crap |
| 14:25.35 | jethro | ron_: and convince him that he should change, for his own good |
| 14:25.41 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: #bub-n-bros post the failure |
| 14:25.46 | jethro | ron_: not always, but this is a perfect example |
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| 14:26.02 | ron_ | jethro: Well, I did make him clear, that I think it's unbelievable that there's only Windows support on a CS department. |
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| 14:26.24 | olecr | I hate maintaining bootdisks for numerous servers and writing numerous firmware bootdisks... |
| 14:26.34 | jethro | ron_: apply for doing support on unix like systems :) |
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| 14:27.24 | ron_ | jethro: You mean me doing support? Yes, that would be cool. |
| 14:27.31 | olecr | gotta hate IBM for giving support only to commercial Linux distribution users |
| 14:27.39 | olecr | that sucks! |
| 14:27.42 | tarzeau | olecr: ack |
| 14:27.45 | abrotman | olecr: they don't .. you just don't pay enough :) |
| 14:27.47 | ron_ | olecr: They do? |
| 14:27.50 | EdibleText | windows only CS.. thats like enjoying boths types of music.. country AND western |
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| 14:28.09 | ron_ | EdibleText: We do have Linux and Solaris boxes. |
| 14:28.12 | abrotman | olecr: if you told IBM you wanted to run RH4.2 on your system and you paid enough .. they'll support you |
| 14:28.20 | jethro | EdibleText: hah |
| 14:28.29 | olecr | yah.. we have a service agreement for support on Linux.. but it only covers RedHat, TurboLinux, UnitedLinux and SuSE |
| 14:28.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: 4.2? from what year is that? |
| 14:28.47 | jethro | from what decade even |
| 14:28.49 | ron_ | tarzeau: 42BC |
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| 14:28.53 | tarzeau | olecr: unitedlinux is not dead? |
| 14:29.05 | tarzeau | olecr: SuSE doesn't exist anymore, it's Novell now |
| 14:29.09 | Gathond | olecr: but that does not mean IBM wont sell you one for another system ... provided you pay enough :) |
| 14:29.22 | olecr | I just started administering machines here.. my background is solely in UNIX I have barely ever fiddled with linux before so I have alot to learn it seems :) |
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| 14:30.19 | olecr | Gathond: they say they dont provide support for Debian ... Period.. I guess I could hire them in to do all the installastions here, but that would kinda defeat the purpose of hiring me :) |
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| 14:30.33 | asg | olecr: iirc, HP provides debian support |
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| 14:31.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: 1996 maybe .. 97? |
| 14:31.15 | jethro | 5.2 was out in 96 |
| 14:31.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: iirc .. you cannot buy United .. you had to go through suse etc .. but afaik .. it's basically dead |
| 14:31.38 | olecr | asg: HP didn't seem eager to sell us hardware so I couldnt bother.. just bought two bladecentres and 4 x346 and a SAN off IBM, we never got a response from our demonstration inquiries for IBM... :) |
| 14:31.59 | olecr | for HP that was |
| 14:32.09 | asg | olecr: what blades? HS20s? |
| 14:32.13 | olecr | IBM invited us for a demonstration on the day |
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| 14:32.37 | olecr | asg: 18 HS20s and 10 HS40s |
| 14:32.40 | ron_ | I think the basic lesson learnt is: Do not under any circumstance put your faith in the hands of a third party. |
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| 14:33.03 | asg | olecr: yeah, we have 5x14 HS20s and a FastT fronted Netapp |
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| 14:33.20 | streuner_ | !lart xmms |
| 14:33.25 | olecr | blades are sweet.. |
| 14:33.26 | abrotman | olecr: i'm still pretty sure IBM will do it .. maybe not officially .. but i've a friend who has gotten help from IBM for Debian on blades |
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| 14:33.35 | asg | olecr: yes, especially booting from san |
| 14:33.35 | jethro | where does the cat-o-nine-tails come from? |
| 14:33.40 | olecr | asg: do you use SAN for harddrives or scsi modules? |
| 14:33.47 | directhex|work | jethro, your local sex shop |
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| 14:33.49 | streuner_ | since libc6 is -21 xmms crashed the whole day |
| 14:33.51 | smo_ | hi all |
| 14:33.52 | asg | olecr: boot and data from san, no local drives at all |
| 14:33.54 | olecr | the only thing that sucks is the 2.5" disks |
| 14:33.57 | jethro | directhex|work: it's like a dildo? |
| 14:34.02 | vekpos | hi! im trying to activate my printer with cups (i configured it with localhost:631) but im not able to print anything - what can i do for cups is workin? |
| 14:34.03 | asg | jethro: no, a whip |
| 14:34.16 | smo_ | how can i do to have the same screen than my friend when i use vnc??? |
| 14:34.24 | simonrvn | cat5-o-nine-tails |
| 14:34.27 | asg | jethro: you could probably tie dildos to the end of each piece of leather for extra thrashing power though |
| 14:34.28 | olecr | I only boot one of the bladechassises from SAN |
| 14:34.29 | directhex|work | jethro, a short whip with nine ends |
| 14:34.37 | vezult | Saribro: thanks. |
| 14:34.47 | olecr | we need another SAN i guess.. some day |
| 14:34.51 | jethro | ok |
| 14:34.52 | smo_ | anyone used a canoscan 3000 with sane? |
| 14:35.01 | simonrvn | and the cat5 version is with lue strands and cat5 ends on them |
| 14:35.04 | jethro | directhex|work, asg: thanks |
| 14:35.04 | simonrvn | blue* |
| 14:35.04 | olecr | asg: have you looked into iSCSI? |
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| 14:35.30 | asg | olecr: not really, I'm somewhat interested in AoE though (for our less performant needs.) |
| 14:35.36 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 14:35.56 | olecr | we barely would have needed SAN |
| 14:36.09 | asg | olecr: ours is small, only 6TB |
| 14:36.14 | asg | olecr: or thereabouts |
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| 14:36.22 | EdibleText | ^rob^, hello again |
| 14:36.32 | ^rob^ | donno what happend |
| 14:36.33 | olecr | ours is only 3TB :) |
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| 14:36.44 | ^rob^ | gaim crashed |
| 14:36.51 | asg | olecr: :) |
| 14:36.55 | olecr | and we barely use 800GB |
| 14:37.12 | asg | olecr: ours is getting full (mostly the other team's exchange cluster) |
| 14:37.21 | ^rob^ | i have a bigger problem than gaim - can't see my cdrom - I have sata hdd - and can't see the cdrom - no /dev/hdc |
| 14:37.29 | olecr | asg: what sort of business do you work in? |
| 14:37.33 | ^rob^ | sarge 2.6 linux |
| 14:37.35 | asg | olecr: education |
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| 14:38.09 | EdibleText | ^rob^, is it detected with bios? is it detected during boot? |
| 14:38.18 | ^rob^ | yes |
| 14:38.29 | vekpos | i got the same problem with a harddisk |
| 14:38.43 | ^rob^ | i have eide hdd too - can't see it |
| 14:38.44 | olecr | asg: we're a small ISP that runs media servers for press and webhosting/content management for larger companies as well as a couple of centralized intranetish solutions.. no big time |
| 14:38.45 | vekpos | im only able to see it with mount.... |
| 14:38.48 | ^rob^ | bios detects it |
| 14:38.55 | asg | olecr: cool |
| 14:39.07 | ^rob^ | i have other os on that hdd - cdrom is working |
| 14:39.15 | olecr | asg: i'd love to work for an educational institution some day.. lots more money to spend :D |
| 14:39.23 | ^rob^ | so is not hardware problem |
| 14:39.31 | asg | olecr: true but they always seem to spend it on dumb shit ;) |
| 14:39.33 | ^rob^ | sata mess eide? |
| 14:40.00 | ^rob^ | dmesg|grep -i cd - i see only usb |
| 14:40.15 | ^rob^ | USB UHCI |
| 14:40.20 | vekpos | ?! |
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| 14:40.58 | olecr | Linux is similar yet I'm dumbfounded on many simple issues like booting and kernel tweaking and ram usage compared to UNIX |
| 14:41.01 | vekpos | rob: can you mount it? |
| 14:41.04 | EdibleText | ^rob^, try dmesg |grep -i hd |
| 14:41.22 | ^rob^ | SCSI device sda: 160084415 512-byte hdwr sectors (81963 MB) |
| 14:41.30 | ^rob^ | only sata hdd here |
| 14:41.45 | ^rob^ | second hdd is not in the rack right now - but cd is |
| 14:42.18 | asg | olecr: the linux kernel likes to cache as much filesystem usage as possible instead of releasing it to the free pool. |
| 14:42.28 | EdibleText | ^rob^, custom kernel? |
| 14:42.33 | ^rob^ | no |
| 14:42.59 | ^rob^ | Linux work.inarad.ro 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:43.12 | ^rob^ | 2.4 can |
| 14:43.17 | vekpos | i can see my disk as root with mount -t -vfat /dev/hdg /mnt but as normal user i got the same problem as rob |
| 14:43.22 | zinx | asg: unused ram is useless ram :/ |
| 14:43.22 | ^rob^ | can/t see my tv card |
| 14:43.23 | simonrvn | meh. hmm, need to figure out how to get mail routed into shared.* properly... |
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| 14:43.27 | asg | !free memory |
| 14:43.28 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 14:43.29 | zinx | asg: wasted, even |
| 14:43.32 | potato | hi |
| 14:43.34 | potato | has anyone experienced this ? i have a machine with an ATA disk and 3 SATA disks. I booted linux 2.4 (and detects hda, hde, hdf, hdg), i've been working on that machine for a couple of days, and when i rebooted it, the machine won't boot anymore (it doesn't even get to boot from the MBR), and it happened to me twice. (if i disconnect all of the SATA devices, it boots). |
| 14:43.36 | zinx | whee |
| 14:43.51 | ^rob^ | vekpos: can you see your device in /dev? |
| 14:43.51 | simonrvn | @wb zinx |
| 14:43.55 | ravenbird | Welcome back zinx, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 14:43.56 | zinx | hiii |
| 14:43.58 | vekpos | yes |
| 14:43.59 | directhex|work | potato, intel ich5/ich6 ? |
| 14:44.08 | asg | olecr: there is information in the kernel Documentation/ directory regarding kernel tunables. Also, lartc.org has a wonderful treatment of networking tunables. Finally, man sysctl.conf |
| 14:44.09 | ^rob^ | then is a mather of rights |
| 14:44.15 | ^rob^ | what kernel do you have?> |
| 14:44.22 | vekpos | uhm ok... 2.4 |
| 14:44.23 | potato | directhex|work maybe, lemme check, do u know of some bug or sth like that ? |
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| 14:44.35 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:44.35 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:44.49 | vekpos | "mount: only root can do that" - where can i change this? |
| 14:44.51 | ^rob^ | devfs ?? |
| 14:44.53 | directhex|work | potato, sata support on 2.4 kernels is awful, on intel ich especially |
| 14:44.58 | jethro | !tell vekpos -about fstab |
| 14:45.06 | ^rob^ | vekpos: |
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| 14:45.07 | asg | olecr: if you have the O'Reilly System Performance Tuning book, many of the suggestions in there are compatible with Linux kernels. |
| 14:45.12 | ^rob^ | vekpos: /etc/fstab |
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| 14:45.34 | ^rob^ | vekpos: /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 14:45.48 | potato | directhex|work but, could it be possible that the sata controller stops working after running a 2.4 kernel on that machine ? |
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| 14:47.13 | directhex|work | potato, god knows. ive seen some strange things in my time |
| 14:47.21 | ^rob^ | dpkg: some of them like to use abreviations - some don't - can't change the world man - better help me get my cd back ' :) |
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| 14:47.36 | vekpos | oh thanks, thats what i searched for :) |
| 14:47.57 | ^rob^ | vekpos: glad to help you |
| 14:48.30 | mikeX | ^rob^, dpkg is a bot |
| 14:48.30 | ^rob^ | dmesg |grep ide |
| 14:48.30 | ^rob^ | ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx |
| 14:49.06 | ^rob^ | mikeX: np - a boot can help me too - :) - i want my cd to run againn,,,, |
| 14:49.32 | mikeX | : ) |
| 14:49.36 | ^rob^ | can't reboot eacht ime in WinBlows to see a cd copy files etc |
| 14:49.55 | jethro | winblows |
| 14:49.55 | mikeX | ^rob^, so what about the 'grep ide' thing? |
| 14:50.14 | ^rob^ | ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx |
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| 14:50.35 | ^rob^ | that's it << no hdc - no cdrom nothing |
| 14:50.39 | mikeX | ^rob^, yeah what's wrong with that? |
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| 14:50.56 | ^rob^ | i have modules on - still can't see in /dev/ hdc |
| 14:51.08 | mikeX | oh ^^" |
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| 14:51.41 | ^rob^ | mikeX: not wrong - ide is seen - cdrom is not |
| 14:51.42 | mikeX | custom kernel? |
| 14:51.46 | ^rob^ | no |
| 14:51.50 | ^rob^ | not custom |
| 14:51.59 | mikeX | weird cdrom drive? |
| 14:52.05 | ^rob^ | no |
| 14:52.16 | ^rob^ | samsung dvd - ide mode on 33 |
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| 14:52.40 | ^rob^ | worked under sarge installed on an eide hdd |
| 14:52.40 | mikeX | so what kernel are you using? |
| 14:52.50 | ^rob^ | Linux work.inarad.ro 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:52.56 | ^rob^ | uname -a |
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| 14:53.53 | ^rob^ | modules loaded: ehci_hcd uhci_hcd ide_cd ide_core cdrom |
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| 14:54.31 | mikeX | weird.. : )... |
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| 14:54.38 | alamar | hi |
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| 14:54.50 | ^rob^ | i'll put hdc=ide-cd on boot |
| 14:55.02 | ^rob^ | how was that line to see ide cd on scsi? |
| 14:55.03 | alamar | can somebody pls tell me where the files are debian uses to build the x debian menu? |
| 14:55.12 | ^rob^ | hdc=ide-scsi? |
| 14:55.20 | ^rob^ | in 2.6 can be ide-cd? |
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| 14:55.27 | ^rob^ | not shure - anyone? |
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| 14:55.54 | jethro | !tell ^rob^ -about enter |
| 14:56.33 | exerd | i get this when running dcpp the direct connect application. (dcpp:8416): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_statusbar_push: assertion `GTK_IS_STATUSBAR (statusbar)' failed what could be wrong? |
| 14:56.39 | ^rob^ | jethro: okay |
| 14:57.11 | ron_ | I assume it's not possible to use scp to copy a file from outside my network(NAT) to a computer inside this network? (Since all the ip's are the same to the external network?) |
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| 14:57.24 | FaithX | hey guys I need to set up a new box ... so what do you think I should use for dual head ... I have a Matrox G400 or an nVidia FX5200 ?? |
| 14:57.30 | asg | ron_: correct |
| 14:57.34 | jethro | ron_: port redirection is a way to achieve what you want |
| 14:58.03 | ^rob^ | rebooting - brb |
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| 14:58.15 | asg | ron_: you can copy an outside file in from the inside though (scp me@remote:/file .) |
| 14:58.36 | ron_ | asg: Crap, well then I have to do it the other way around :) |
| 14:58.54 | stouset | FaithX: nvidia |
| 14:58.55 | asg | ron_: then you'll have to do port forwarding as jethro mentioned. |
| 14:59.05 | abrotman | stew: the gnomebaker bug got an RC .. so hopefully the fix will get in |
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| 15:00.39 | hugo | what is the most intuitive text editor for the console in debian? |
| 15:00.56 | asg | hugo: vi fsvo intuitive (nano -w is probably what you want) |
| 15:00.57 | hugo | the one everybody can use without reading the man page? |
| 15:01.00 | wpostma | hugu, YMMV, but I liked jed until I got used to vim. |
| 15:01.02 | streuner_ | !start an editor war |
| 15:01.02 | dpkg | zile doesn't deserve to be in debian |
| 15:01.14 | Gog | heh |
| 15:01.18 | hugo | I do not like the search feature in nano |
| 15:01.27 | hugo | Is there something else? |
| 15:01.29 | wpostma | vim rules, emacs sucks, and jed is good for old-borland-turbo-pascal people like me. |
| 15:01.43 | Gog | vim is worth learning |
| 15:01.50 | wpostma | Amen, Gog. |
| 15:01.51 | caphuso | "intuitive" |
| 15:01.54 | asg | hugo: you may as just learn vi, it'll be helpful to you in the long run. |
| 15:02.04 | wpostma | If you can write software, you're wasting time, if you don't learn VIM too. :-) |
| 15:02.12 | wpostma | If you can write a batch file,you can learn vim. |
| 15:02.26 | caphuso | the person that first started to pretend that "intuitve" would be meaningful is high on my list of people to kill |
| 15:02.31 | asg | hehe |
| 15:02.34 | hugo | I know vi, but I want to enable somebody else to do some work easily. |
| 15:02.58 | wpostma | hugo, for those who don't like modal editors, then probably you should find them a nice X-windows GUI editor. |
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| 15:04.41 | olecr | !devfs |
| 15:04.41 | dpkg | devfs is probably obsolete and will be removed from the upstream Linux kernel shortly. See <http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01072.html>. |
| 15:04.49 | abrotman | !udev |
| 15:04.49 | dpkg | from memory, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
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| 15:05.01 | cplx | can anyone assist me on how do I get mrtg to graph a nic's traffic? |
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| 15:05.23 | olecr | i get a mount: devfs not supported by kernel forllowed by a bunch of dependencies errors for modules.dep |
| 15:05.34 | olecr | aww |
| 15:05.42 | olecr | I truly HATE linux now :) |
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| 15:05.45 | cplx | Can someone assist me on setting up mrtg to graph a NIC's traffic not just ont he mrtg machine but on other machines, etc |
| 15:06.07 | wpostma | olecr, because your kernel sucks. |
| 15:06.10 | jethro | !handhold cplx |
| 15:06.15 | cplx | lol.. |
| 15:06.20 | cplx | please? |
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| 15:06.39 | jethro | cplx: I can't |
| 15:06.50 | cplx | jethro: no probs then.. |
| 15:07.01 | jethro | cplx: I d suggest using munin and not mrtg |
| 15:07.10 | cplx | jethro: ok thanks. |
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| 15:08.20 | ron_ | What's wrong with the servers? Fout http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org sid/main lynx 2.8.5-2 |
| 15:08.24 | ron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.37 | ron_ | Fout means error in English |
| 15:08.46 | asg | ron_: ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 15:08.57 | olecr | wpostma: yeah it does.. I have copied the config from bf2.4 and created a initrd with "ips" listed in the modules file.. i created the kernel with make-kpkg --initrd --revision=1:zak2430 kernel_image |
| 15:09.01 | mentor | ron_: Sounds ike hte packages file isn't up to date... |
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| 15:09.10 | tdn_ | What is it, that I should msg dpkg with in order to get help on setting up X with nvidia? |
| 15:09.10 | jethro | ron_: fix you deb line |
| 15:09.12 | FaithX | I find that the output of xterms scrolling many pages sends my cpu to 100% |
| 15:09.16 | jethro | ron_: should be debian.org/debian |
| 15:09.22 | asg | tdn_: /msg dpkg nvidia debs |
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| 15:09.37 | tdn_ | asg: thanks |
| 15:09.45 | Althaser | ron_ try http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian-amd64 |
| 15:09.47 | asg | tdn_: and nvidia one-liner also |
| 15:09.51 | jethro | ron_: or /debian-mda64 |
| 15:09.59 | jethro | s/mda/amd/ |
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| 15:10.16 | Althaser | jethro what is s/ ? |
| 15:10.26 | jethro | Althaser: substitution |
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| 15:10.30 | olecr | I made the symlink /initrd.img -> /boot/initrd.img-zak2430 (the initrd image I created which includes ips).. now what the fuck am i missing now.. All I changed in the config was i386 to Pentium-III and memory up to 4GB |
| 15:10.34 | olecr | WUARGH |
| 15:10.35 | Althaser | jethro thanks ;) |
| 15:10.44 | jethro | Althaser: commonly used in sed and perl |
| 15:10.57 | jethro | Althaser: and prolly other tools too |
| 15:11.09 | Althaser | humm thanks ;) i'm learning :D |
| 15:11.15 | ron_ | Ok, it works :) |
| 15:11.22 | jethro | Althaser: that's a good thing |
| 15:11.24 | Casper_ | Hi, I'm trying to compile apt, it errors cachedb.cc:59: error: invalid conversion from `int' to `DBTYPE' |
| 15:11.24 | Casper_ | Am I missing some header? |
| 15:11.34 | jethro | Casper_: compile apt? |
| 15:11.44 | Casper_ | Yes. |
| 15:11.46 | Althaser | jethro :-) |
| 15:11.48 | jethro | Casper_: why would you compile apt? |
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| 15:12.15 | Casper_ | So I can update a debian on another partition from a non-debian distro :) |
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| 15:12.32 | asg | Casper_: just chroot to the other partition and apt-get foo |
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| 15:12.46 | jethro | Casper_: chroot is less pain |
| 15:12.53 | wpostma | Casper_, trust us, chroot is your friend. :-) |
| 15:13.05 | Casper_ | apt will not run there... |
| 15:13.17 | cplx | anyone here know anything about phpsysinfo ? |
| 15:13.17 | Casper_ | *is |
| 15:13.42 | abrotman | cplx: that's a vague question |
| 15:13.45 | cplx | well |
| 15:13.48 | cplx | setting it up, etc |
| 15:13.59 | abrotman | are you having a problem with it ? |
| 15:14.02 | cplx | abrotman: I have done 'apt-get install phpsysinfo' |
| 15:14.03 | asg | cplx: did you check /usr/share/doc/phpsysinfo/* |
| 15:14.20 | abrotman | asg: that's reading .. reading is hard .. let's go for beer! |
| 15:14.32 | asg | abrotman: already there, already there |
| 15:14.39 | abrotman | asg: off work today ? |
| 15:14.45 | cplx | abrotman: I have gone to http://ip/phpsysinfo/ |
| 15:14.46 | asg | abrotman: whole week, I'm on holiday |
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| 15:15.06 | cplx | and it displays a index of files etc.. index.php etc |
| 15:15.21 | cplx | when I click on index.php it doesnt execute.. as such? |
| 15:15.45 | abrotman | asg: and staying at home ? |
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| 15:15.55 | abrotman | cplx: well .. what does it do? |
| 15:16.04 | cplx | abrotman: nvm, It was incorrect permissions :) |
| 15:16.09 | cplx | abrotman: sorry to trouble you :P |
| 15:16.11 | abrotman | !lart cplx |
| 15:16.13 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:16.17 | cplx | haha |
| 15:16.23 | mofino | I can't remember the quick way to compile a package from it's source package... anyone remember? |
| 15:16.35 | Casper_ | jethro: so I take it compiling apt is not straight forward? |
| 15:16.44 | lindi- | mofino: apt-get --build source |
| 15:16.53 | jethro | Casper_: beyond your skill level as it seems |
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| 15:17.05 | cplx | abrotman: Another thing quickly.. its not displaying hardware devices apart form the IDE devices.. |
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| 15:17.52 | simonrvn | sudo apt-get build-dep source_package_name; fakeroot apt-get -b source source_package_name |
| 15:18.06 | simonrvn | that's a neat little one liner ;) |
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| 15:18.56 | simonrvn | asg: you had 2 weeks or something? |
| 15:19.09 | mofino | lindi-, mint thanks. |
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| 15:20.32 | asg | abrotman: yes, staying at home relaxing |
| 15:20.47 | asg | simonrvn: I have months of stored vacation time, I use it when I can. |
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| 15:21.38 | simonrvn | asg: woohoo |
| 15:21.45 | jamuraa | can anyone remember a command in *nix which can be used as an alternative to a pipe? Like % <command1> "some command which outputs data" % <command2> "command which we want input to go to" |
| 15:22.09 | blackout | jamuraa, tee |
| 15:22.12 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
| 15:22.14 | amaro | guys... |
| 15:22.15 | zinx | a specific command? no.. use fifo's |
| 15:22.16 | blackout | jamuraa, i don't think that's what you want though. |
| 15:22.16 | abrotman | cplx: i've not used it .. i was just pointing out you were being vague :) |
| 15:22.22 | asg | jamuraa: && or || |
| 15:22.25 | simonrvn | need more coffee :) |
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| 15:22.27 | amaro | want to watch an amusing linux AD? |
| 15:22.27 | t0mas | hi |
| 15:22.32 | abrotman | asg: i found out i have like 4 months of vac/personal/sick to use up |
| 15:22.33 | asg | jamuraa: sorry, disregard that |
| 15:22.35 | amaro | here it is: http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=174 |
| 15:22.45 | blackout | how can one redirect stderr to less? |
| 15:22.52 | jamuraa | blackout: no, tee isn't what I really want I think |
| 15:22.58 | jethro | how do you guys stack vacation time? |
| 15:23.00 | t0mas | I've compiled gcc-3.4.3 for my debian (woody) box, but how do I add the new libs dir to the ld search path? |
| 15:23.05 | abrotman | jethro: don't take it |
| 15:23.10 | jamuraa | man I would swear that I remember a set of two commands that did that |
| 15:23.14 | jethro | I *MUST* take all my days before the end of may, every year |
| 15:23.15 | asg | abrotman: cool |
| 15:23.21 | abrotman | jethro: i have no wife/kids .. so doesn't go anywhere |
| 15:23.26 | jethro | abrotman: I don't either |
| 15:23.28 | abrotman | jethro: i just went to NC .. only took 2 days |
| 15:23.30 | jethro | abrotman: it's just the law |
| 15:23.35 | abrotman | jethro: the law? |
| 15:23.41 | asg | jamuraa: look for REDIRECTION in your shell's manpage. |
| 15:23.47 | jethro | abrotman: in france you can't stack, you have to take all your vacation time, or get it paid |
| 15:23.51 | abrotman | jethro: in .us .. it's company discretion about accumulation |
| 15:23.59 | jethro | abrotman: lucky bastards |
| 15:24.25 | jethro | cause wemust, but still, have no time to go on vacation because of neverending contracts |
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| 15:24.35 | jamuraa | asg: it's not an actual pipe though, it's a set of commands that basically well, sets up a fifo |
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| 15:24.49 | simonrvn | asg: you know, i've never met my brothers-in-law? freaky, eh? haven't been able to yet. :| |
| 15:24.53 | jethro | and most of the companies are reluctant when you want your vacation timepaid |
| 15:25.04 | simonrvn | oh and my half-sister-in-law |
| 15:25.06 | asg | simonrvn: :( |
| 15:25.25 | hugo | assuming I have a list with lines like this "10118 33 /data/clients/webs/bryant/". what is the best way to issues a command: "chown -R <first-number>:<second-number> <dir>" for every line? |
| 15:25.27 | asg | jamuraa: check the advance bash scripting howto, it might have an example of what you are looking for. |
| 15:25.36 | asg | s/nce/nced/ |
| 15:26.00 | asg | hugo: try #bash |
| 15:26.02 | jethro | hugo: bash scripting or perl |
| 15:26.07 | jethro | hugo: try #bash or #perl |
| 15:26.16 | ron_ | My provider provides me with more than one ip address, I thought. Does this mean I can disable NAT? |
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| 15:26.33 | jethro | ron_: no it measn you can nat using multiple public addresses |
| 15:26.58 | jethro | ron_: of course you can disable nat, but you'll prefer nating multiple times :p |
| 15:27.26 | ron_ | jethro: I don't understand what's the use of nat in that case. |
| 15:27.39 | davis | is there a opensource c language lint available for debian? apt-cache search does not show anything for C. |
| 15:28.04 | jethro | ron_: not reveal your private addressing space, and also allow for different machines to be nat'ed with different public IPs |
| 15:28.08 | directhex|work | lint? |
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| 15:28.29 | davis | lint is a program for finding errors in C code. |
| 15:28.46 | jethro | ron_: my home setup is 9 public IPs, 6 being assigned to 6 private IPs, and the remaining ones are network/bcast and my outgoing nat, for all remaining stations in my lan |
| 15:28.52 | davis | apt-cache search shows versions available for java, python, etc. but no c. |
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| 15:30.20 | smo_ | how cna i do to see the same screen than my friend when i connect to him by vnc???? |
| 15:30.35 | davis | actually i found something called splint |
| 15:30.36 | xxenon | anyone has experience with proxy's stuff ? I need to pass custom protocol (IRC) though an http_proxy. |
| 15:30.37 | petemc | smo_: use rfb or vino |
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| 15:30.59 | jethro | xxenon: use the connect method |
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| 15:31.11 | jethro | xxenon: http CONNECT as described in the RFCs |
| 15:31.32 | xxenon | jethro - what ? where ? |
| 15:31.35 | jethro | xxenon: otoh, your irc client might already be able to use http proxies, since it's a common setup |
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| 15:31.51 | jethro | xxenon: what what? what where? |
| 15:32.00 | xxenon | that CONNECT thing... |
| 15:32.10 | xxenon | xchat doesnt seem to support http proxy |
| 15:32.17 | jethro | xxenon: would you mind writing whole sentences? |
| 15:32.27 | jethro | xxenon: it helps me understand what you mean/want |
| 15:32.27 | anymous | hello, lcap does not work as expected, "lcap CAP_SYS_MODULE" effectively removes ALL capabilites... |
| 15:32.40 | xxenon | ah I found something in xchat...lemme try that. |
| 15:32.46 | jethro | jeez |
| 15:32.53 | xxenon | back in some mins. |
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| 15:32.59 | hugo | is it possible to format the output of an mysql query in order to get the file with the right commands right away? |
| 15:33.13 | asg | ENOPARSE |
| 15:33.18 | jethro | :) |
| 15:33.29 | jethro | hugo: use bash or perl |
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| 15:33.43 | jethro | hugo: with this you can do almost any kind of text processing/mangling |
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| 15:36.12 | IDC | night,all :) be happy with debian as much as i do :) |
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| 15:36.27 | jethro | good night idc |
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| 15:36.50 | xxenon | jethro - Im getting "Proxy traversal failed." in xchat |
| 15:36.51 | alamar | does the config for the standard kernel (for example 2.6.11-k7-1) come along with the kernel package? |
| 15:37.09 | jethro | xxenon: and? |
| 15:37.11 | petemc | alamar: its in /boot/config-kernel-name |
| 15:37.20 | jethro | xxenon: it means you didn't set it up right |
| 15:37.31 | wpostma | does anyone know what file format webmin creates for its "backup configuration" feature? It's not .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 |
| 15:37.42 | xxenon | jethro - it's not my proxy... |
| 15:37.43 | petemc | wpostma: try using "file" on it |
| 15:37.43 | lex | Oh UNIX Masters:stupid tar newbiequestion: Upon ssh root@otherserver "tar c /dir/to/backup" > /dev/st0 I get in syslog: st0: Write not multiple of tape block size.... Still, itseems to be doing the backup just fine.... is this to be expected? AND Will i actually be able to recover my backup? |
| 15:37.51 | jethro | xxenon: but it's your xchat |
| 15:37.58 | blackout | is there an easy way to edit tags after you've already burned? |
| 15:38.04 | blackout | music tags, obviously |
| 15:38.15 | xxenon | jethro - there is not configuration at all..just proxy adress. I tried socks4/5/http |
| 15:38.20 | jethro | xxenon: really, learn about this CONNECT method, try to use it manually, then setup xchat accordingly |
| 15:38.21 | alamar | petemc: ah i just found it myself sorry for my overhaste |
| 15:38.22 | alamar | :) |
| 15:38.35 | jethro | xxenon: you have obviously no clue on what you're talking about |
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| 15:39.22 | xxenon | jethro - hehe :) |
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| 15:39.53 | asg | lex: you could verify the archive is not corrupt after the backup, but I don't know offhand if that error is going to case problems. |
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| 15:40.29 | lex | asg, Yes... I thought so.... :)...perhaps i shouldve found a way toformat it first |
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| 15:41.01 | asg | lex: it may just be that it cannot find the size of the archive since it is coming from stdin. Googling the error might help also. |
| 15:41.32 | lex | asg, yes... im doing just that... thanks a ton |
| 15:41.38 | asg | lex: you're welcome |
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| 15:41.47 | blackout | why does my querybts display a nice ncurses display on one debian testing machine, but just text on the other testing machine? any thoughts? a package that provides that? |
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| 15:42.29 | drac | blackout: Hmm, not sure, but 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf', and choose dialog. |
| 15:42.34 | asg | blackout: do you have debconf setup on the non-curses one correctly? |
| 15:42.53 | blackout | asg, i didn't realize there was anything to do to make it "correct" |
| 15:43.10 | asg | blackout: do what drac suggested, see if that fixes things. |
| 15:43.38 | blackout | asg, drac, doesn't fix it. |
| 15:43.40 | alamar | is there any obvious reason why I can`t load the acpi_cpufreq module of the 2.6.11-k7-1 debian kernel on my mobile athlon xp? |
| 15:43.46 | blackout | it was already dialog |
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| 15:44.34 | valdyn | blackout: why not use the athlons native cpu scaling? |
| 15:45.06 | ron_ | jethro: You are right Cisco REALLY sucks. The kernel module is getting 100% of my CPU. |
| 15:45.14 | valdyn | alamar: why not use the athlons native cpu scaling? |
| 15:45.28 | alamar | are you talking to me? if thats the case, i don`t know very much about cpufreq stuff |
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| 15:45.43 | alamar | i thought using cpufreqd is the easiest way |
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| 15:46.10 | alamar | and i also thought that cpufreqd would need acpi_cpufreq |
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| 15:46.27 | alamar | but as i said before i don`t know a thing about notebooks and cpuscaling |
| 15:46.31 | blackout | asg, does debconf even control what querybts looks like? i switched it to gnome, with no change. |
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| 15:47.41 | alamar | so please don`t become angry with me if i`m talking total nonsense;) |
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| 15:48.36 | valdyn | alamar: modprobe powernow-k7 |
| 15:48.37 | ^Uragano^ | hi i'm a newbie of Debian there is someone that can help me ? |
| 15:48.55 | stew | ^Uragano^: nobody can help you until you ask a real question |
| 15:49.01 | alamar | valdyn: i need powernowd in addition to that, right? |
| 15:49.06 | asg | blackout: change ui text to ui newt in /etc/reportbug.conf |
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| 15:49.28 | freet15 | goodnight guys, see you.. |
| 15:49.30 | ^Uragano^ | how can i create a boot cd rom for debian 3.0r4.iso ? |
| 15:49.46 | valdyn | alamar: no, dont get confused by "powernowd" ( the name ), thats a generic cpu freq scaling daemon |
| 15:49.59 | asg | ^Uragano^: the first disc in the series should be bootable |
| 15:50.01 | lef | hm, how can I make tar read from a pipe? |
| 15:50.20 | asg | lef: tar cf - ; tar -xf - |
| 15:50.20 | valdyn | alamar: next you need is the userspace_governor module (sp!) |
| 15:50.42 | lef | asg, I have been getting errors with this :/ |
| 15:50.44 | ^Uragano^ | asg the first disk is not bootable |
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| 15:50.54 | ezra-s | hello |
| 15:50.54 | asg | lef: paste the command line you are using |
| 15:50.55 | valdyn | alamar: did powernow-k7 find your cpu? ( 'dmesg' ) |
| 15:51.04 | asg | ^Uragano^: you may have got the wrong one then |
| 15:51.09 | ezra-s | in /proc/sys/net/ipv4 ... if some files you expect are missing is because Kernel binary and/or modules lack support for that? or because maybe you dont have a certain package not installed? |
| 15:51.34 | alamar | yes my cpu was detected correctly by the module |
| 15:51.37 | ^Uragano^ | asg how is possible i downloaded from the original ftp site |
| 15:51.54 | alamar | what`s the userspace governor module? |
| 15:52.10 | asg | ^Uragano^: incorrect burn; your cdrom doesn't like it. There could be quite a few issues. If this isn't for a server class system, try using the new sarge installed (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 15:52.18 | alamar | s/module/& for/ |
| 15:52.44 | ^Uragano^ | asg the first one is debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
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| 15:53.07 | valdyn | alamar: modprobe cpufreq_userspace |
| 15:53.14 | alamar | oh i already loaded that one |
| 15:53.27 | EdibleText | ^Uragano^, perhaps you burnt the iso incorrectly... windows? browse the cd, do you have 'files' or 'debian3.blah.iso' |
| 15:53.44 | flawd | I would like to connect to a friend'x box and help her set things up. ssh does that. It would be great if she could "watch" what I did somehow so she would learn. Any ideas on how to do that? |
| 15:53.52 | petemc | flawd: ssh -x |
| 15:53.53 | asg | flawd: screen |
| 15:53.58 | petemc | gah, screen -x |
| 15:54.13 | flawd | screen... |
| 15:54.14 | petemc | asg: thanks :) |
| 15:54.17 | flawd | thanks |
| 15:54.18 | asg | petemc: :) |
| 15:54.19 | lef | asg, svn export http://URL/svn/websites/www/trunk | tar -cf 050510c.tar - |
| 15:54.20 | flawd | will check out |
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| 15:54.31 | ezra-s | In /proc/sys/net/ipv4 ... if some files you expect are missing is because Kernel binary and/or modules lack support for that? or because maybe you dont have a certain package not installed? |
| 15:54.34 | ^Uragano^ | Enible sure that i've file i also open the image |
| 15:54.41 | asg | lef: and what error does it spit out? |
| 15:54.48 | petemc | ezra-s: what files? |
| 15:55.04 | petemc | ezra-s: you shouldnbt repeat |
| 15:55.07 | EdibleText | ^Uragano^, hows that? |
| 15:55.16 | lef | asg, its ok aI got it. The error is because svn exports to a dir not to stdout |
| 15:55.23 | flawd | petemc, asg: Has this something to do with ssh or is it a standalone program? |
| 15:55.23 | valdyn | alamar: make sure your dont have conflicting governors loaded or the acpi cpufreq module that you tried earlier, install powernowd and cat /proc/cpuinfo to see the current frequency |
| 15:55.29 | ezra-s | petemc, for example ip_conntrack and things like that, I am not sure if the lack of them is lack of kernel support or something that should be installed and those are generated automatically |
| 15:55.31 | petemc | flawd: standalone |
| 15:55.33 | ^Uragano^ | there is an utility under win WINISO |
| 15:55.33 | asg | lef: ah, there isn't much you can do about that unless you can coax svn into exporting to stdout. |
| 15:55.35 | flawd | ok ty |
| 15:56.08 | lef | asg, yes I am looking into that now :) |
| 15:56.16 | asg | flawd: screen is probably one of the most useful programs ever :) |
| 15:56.20 | valdyn | alamar: if you use gnome - install gnome-cpufreq-applet I guess |
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| 15:56.37 | EdibleText | ^Uragano^, so.. you burnt the iso to cd. if you see debian*iso on the cd when you browse it WILL NOT boot. |
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| 15:57.03 | flawd | asg, how would one use screen for this? |
| 15:57.11 | flawd | asg checking the man now |
| 15:57.23 | valdyn | !screen |
| 15:57.23 | dpkg | methinks screen is like, allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and let's you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 15:57.27 | petemc | ezra-s: do you have a netfilter dir? |
| 15:57.36 | petemc | ezra-s: in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ |
| 15:57.41 | ^Uragano^ | Edible i burnt all file inside to the ISO in the cd but after it doesn't do nothing |
| 15:57.55 | asg | flawd: it depends on if you are using the same or different accounts. If the same, after starting it, the other user can just do 'screen -x' and be seeing your terminal session. |
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| 15:58.19 | asg | flawd: if the accounts are different, you can authorize the user to view your session; the rest is basically the same. |
| 15:58.45 | tgwj | I recentry removed wondows and now want to change my hardware clock from local time to GMT. How do i tell debian ? |
| 15:58.48 | petemc | chown user `tty` ; su - user works |
| 15:58.52 | asg | tgwj: tzconfig |
| 15:58.59 | Kerr | I get 'Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/2' - please check. |
| 15:59.12 | Kerr | when trying to reattatch to a screen |
| 15:59.15 | ^Uragano^ | Edible you understand what i did ? |
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| 15:59.41 | Kerr | how can i fix that? |
| 15:59.46 | asg | Kerr: check that you own the terminal device |
| 15:59.51 | EdibleText | ^Uragano^, not yet... |
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| 16:00.15 | Kerr | i'm su'd as a user; he's very new at linux, accidentaly has two irssis running, left me a notice asking to close one. |
| 16:00.37 | ezra-s | petemc, err... not |
| 16:00.43 | tgwj | asg: tzconfig is not what I wanted, but the manpage helps ;-) |
| 16:00.44 | flawd | asg I see |
| 16:00.47 | petemc | Kerr: go back to root, chown user `tty` , then su to that user |
| 16:00.58 | Kerr | hm.. |
| 16:00.59 | asg | tgwj: ah, okay. |
| 16:01.02 | EdibleText | ^Uragano^,dont pm me... keep it in channel |
| 16:01.04 | Bart-mdv- | Kerr: ps -A | grep irssi |
| 16:01.09 | Bart-mdv- | kill PID |
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| 16:01.22 | ezra-s | petemc, the question is more general than specific, my concern is if those files are generated automatically based on kernel support or placed there by a precompiled package or something like that |
| 16:01.24 | ^Uragano^ | <^Uragano^> i download this iso cd debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 16:01.24 | domi | i cannot use my umlaut keys of my swiss-german keyboard, i checked the inputrc file and the console-data |
| 16:01.27 | ^Uragano^ | <^Uragano^> i saved with winiso in my hard disk |
| 16:01.27 | ^Uragano^ | <^Uragano^> then i burnt to the cd rom |
| 16:01.27 | ^Uragano^ | <^Uragano^> result no boot |
| 16:01.27 | ^Uragano^ | <^Uragano^> that is it |
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| 16:01.32 | Kerr | He's specific on what one he wanted killed, killing the pid seems a lot like russian roulette. |
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| 16:01.48 | Kerr | i think it would be easier to jsut ssh in as him :-/ thankfuly i know his password. |
| 16:01.54 | Kerr | just^ |
| 16:02.02 | ^Uragano^ | soory i didn't want fllod |
| 16:02.07 | caphuso | ^Uragano^: first you destroy the ISO image and then you wonder why it doesn't work? |
| 16:02.12 | petemc | Kerr: did you try what i suggested? |
| 16:02.24 | Bart-mdv- | Kerr: kill all and run again :) |
| 16:02.26 | WW | Arghh, I seem to have messed up my printer configuration of a network printer. I can print a text file with lpr, and I can print a web page from firefox, but gpdf and xpdf aren't printing. They go through the motions, but nothing shows up in the queue or on the printer. |
| 16:02.32 | Kerr | petemc: not yet; would it have any effect on his ability to attach to the screens ? |
| 16:02.34 | domi | how can i use my swiss-german keys? |
| 16:02.41 | petemc | Kerr: shouldnt do, no |
| 16:02.48 | streuner_ | domi: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 16:02.57 | flawd | asg, if she is root then she has permission to view it right |
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| 16:03.11 | asg | flawd: should have, yes. |
| 16:03.14 | ^Uragano^ | Caphuso i didn't want destroy anything, you know a program for burnt the iso and booted from cd rom ? |
| 16:03.25 | WW | ...and I quickly run into the limits of my understanding of cups when I try to figure out why. |
| 16:03.25 | flawd | asg, so if I connect by ssh she just types "screen -x"? |
| 16:03.34 | caphuso | ^Uragano^: any tool for burning CDs can do it |
| 16:03.46 | asg | flawd: you connect, then type screen. Then, she su's to your user and does screen -x |
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| 16:03.52 | caphuso | you start it, you select the "burn image on CD" option, you burn it, done |
| 16:04.09 | Kerr | so 'chown xan `tty`' or; was `tty` a reference to something else? |
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| 16:04.16 | flawd | oh cool |
| 16:04.21 | petemc | Kerr: type it verbatim |
| 16:04.22 | flawd | thank you very very much asg |
| 16:04.33 | caphuso | you do *not* fuck with the ISO image first. this includes "extracting", "converting", "opening" or any other stupid thing windows user like to do with images |
| 16:04.35 | domi | streu: that does not work |
| 16:04.39 | asg | flawd: you're welcome |
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| 16:05.40 | domi | i can use them in x-windows and apps but not in the console |
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| 16:06.02 | ^Uragano^ | exit |
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| 16:08.24 | eidolon | hey folks, i'm having a problem setting up software mirroring in debian sarge from the instaqller. When I go to 'Configure Software RAID" I get "No unused partitions of the type 'linux RAID autodetect' available." - i've gone to the 2 SATA drives i have and set up a handful of primary + logical parition,s all set to 'physical device for RAID'. what am i doing wrong? |
| 16:09.08 | simonrvn | first read it would seem that you haven't set up the raid partition(s) yet |
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| 16:09.51 | schrankwand | when I type hciconfig, nothing returns. what could be the reason? |
| 16:09.53 | eidolon | simonrvn: that's sort of wher ei'm confused. my take on it was i should set up the RAID volumes on the 2 drives, then go to 'configure software raid' which will create md devices from the paired partitions on both drives... but somethings wrong. |
| 16:10.07 | eidolon | oddly, I -do- have 'RAID1 device #0 - 80 GB Software RAID device' |
| 16:10.30 | simonrvn | uh, what is that output from? |
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| 16:10.56 | eidolon | simonrvn: me? this is in the sarge partition editor on the installer. the top line says [!!] Partition Disks' |
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| 16:11.02 | simonrvn | ok |
| 16:11.10 | eidolon | i have 3 devices listed. RAID1, SCSI1, and SCSI2. |
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| 16:11.27 | eidolon | (the machine physically has 2 SATA 80 gig drives in it) |
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| 16:11.50 | simonrvn | i haven't done raid from d-i. i always do it manually |
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| 16:12.26 | eidolon | *nod* understood. this is very confusing :-/ |
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| 16:13.50 | simonrvn | see the install guide. might help clear some of the confusion |
| 16:13.58 | eidolon | i'm googling now. |
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| 16:14.29 | voxvirus | hello |
| 16:14.49 | WW | I can print a text file from the command line, and with the Print button in gedit, but I can't seem to print a pdf file. I'm not sure what changed recently that is causing the problem. Any ideas where to look? |
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| 16:16.25 | foka | I'm setting up SquirrelMail with Exim. I'm wondering which IMAP server is best. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance! :-) |
| 16:16.32 | ignatz | dovecot |
| 16:16.35 | asg | foka: courier-imap or dovecot |
| 16:16.45 | flawd | How do I do the uquivalent of "fix broken packages" in synaptic with apt-get ? |
| 16:16.50 | asg | WW: check the bts perhaps |
| 16:16.59 | foka | ignatz, Thanks! |
| 16:17.02 | foka | asg, Thanks! |
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| 16:17.14 | streuner_ | heh |
| 16:17.18 | WW | asg: Sorry... bts? What is it and how do I check it? |
| 16:17.22 | asg | !bts |
| 16:17.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 16:17.29 | streuner_ | asg: heh? |
| 16:17.34 | foka | flawd, perhaps "apt-get -f install" would help? |
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| 16:17.45 | asg | streuner_: ? |
| 16:18.02 | streuner_ | asg: usually you say something more... ;-) |
| 16:18.08 | dubian | with amixer I'm only able to change mono volume.. howto change the Front left: and Front right: ones??? |
| 16:18.26 | asg | streuner_: I'm relaxed since I'm on holiday. No smiting unless really provoked. |
| 16:18.30 | flawd | ty |
| 16:18.40 | streuner_ | asg: haha |
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| 16:19.42 | alamar | valdyn: powernowd can`t start because: required sysfs obects not found |
| 16:19.50 | dubian | my soundblaster live sounds horible!!! |
| 16:20.08 | streuner_ | dubian: need new boxes? |
| 16:20.20 | dubian | nope boxes are ok |
| 16:20.27 | asg | dubian: that's just Country music, it always sounds horrible |
| 16:20.37 | dubian | somehow it's the mixer |
| 16:20.51 | asg | dubian: try tweaking things with aumix |
| 16:21.02 | dubian | I whouldn't try play country music on such a lovly device!!! |
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| 16:21.14 | asg | s/on such a lovly device!!!// |
| 16:21.39 | Gog | heh |
| 16:21.41 | dubian | lovely uuuugh |
| 16:22.46 | valdyn | alamar: you do have /sys ? |
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| 16:23.03 | osity | anyone here know software raid? |
| 16:23.29 | asg | heh, news is reporting that doctors may start using text messages to give info to people... 'sry u gt cncr hand' |
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| 16:24.01 | stew | heh |
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| 16:24.18 | flame | anybody know what is this debian-30r4-dvd-i386-binary-1.iso ? |
| 16:24.40 | streuner_ | flame: server or desktop? |
| 16:24.46 | freedom | woody stable |
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| 16:24.58 | streuner_ | flame: install sarge or upgrade to it |
| 16:25.05 | flame | i have no idea, i found it on ed2k and wanted to see what it is, and where can i get it on http |
| 16:25.05 | valdyn | flame: an inofficial dvd iso for woody |
| 16:25.12 | ignatz | can anyone recommend a syslog daemon that accepts remote syslogs securely ? |
| 16:25.13 | freedom | for desktop |
| 16:25.30 | streuner_ | flame: just get d-i |
| 16:25.32 | flame | ok, i'm not in the debian "scene", care to explain the difference between sarge and woody ? |
| 16:25.32 | streuner_ | !d-i |
| 16:25.33 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 16:25.39 | asg | ignatz: maybe syslog-ng |
| 16:25.43 | valdyn | flame: www.debian.org has all you want about all kinds of debian images |
| 16:25.58 | valdyn | !woody |
| 16:25.58 | dpkg | woody is probably the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 16:26.03 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 16:26.04 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
| 16:26.04 | streuner_ | !sarge |
| 16:26.18 | flame | frozen ? |
| 16:26.26 | asg | flame: no changes except bug fixes |
| 16:26.29 | flame | lol |
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| 16:26.46 | dubian | aumix gives me no devices found |
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| 16:26.58 | flame | so if i want debian on dvd, i will get woody ? |
| 16:27.03 | asg | dubian: as root? |
| 16:27.12 | dubian | jeaps |
| 16:27.22 | streuner_ | flame: what kind of i-net connection do you have? |
| 16:27.29 | bztunk | flame: you should, yes, unless you want your dvd to become obselete very fast |
| 16:27.32 | j_k | dubian: modprobe snd-mixer-oss or something ? |
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| 16:28.00 | asg | ignatz: http://www.zerrtech.com/Projects/secure-remote-logging.html |
| 16:28.04 | flame | streuner_ 256kbps |
| 16:28.16 | flame | but i can wait days for a download, no problem, did it before |
| 16:28.17 | streuner_ | flame: good enough to get d-i |
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| 16:28.32 | alamar | valdyn: sorry i forgot to mount sys, thx it seems to work now! |
| 16:28.44 | streuner_ | flame: just get d-i, its about 200 MB and download the rest via i-net |
| 16:29.17 | flame | no, i will never do that, i don't like things installing over the i-net |
| 16:29.26 | flame | i want everything on the cd (but i really want a dvd) |
| 16:29.36 | streuner_ | flame: why, almost every debian user do so? |
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| 16:29.51 | valdyn | flame: debian doesnt even fit on one dvd |
| 16:29.56 | flame | i'm not a debian user, yet |
| 16:30.36 | coolermania | hi all |
| 16:30.54 | valdyn | flame: so isntead of downloading 9 gig, w/ 8 of those being completely useless, d-i will just download what you need |
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| 16:31.36 | gypsymauro | how I can delete debconf choices made before for a package? |
| 16:31.38 | flame | no, i want it complete on the disk, i would give it to others w/o i-net |
| 16:31.49 | Empty | flame: enjoy your download. |
| 16:31.54 | gypsymauro | i tried with dpkg --purge |
| 16:31.57 | Empty | It's a several DVD set |
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| 16:32.09 | pngwn | flame, maybe debian isn't for you |
| 16:32.10 | pi_ | Yo. |
| 16:32.23 | Empty | gypsymauro is "dpkg-reconfigure" what you seek? |
| 16:32.28 | pi_ | I need a calendar that is non-X, that does ical stuff, and is able to be updated, and send out email reminders. |
| 16:32.28 | flame | pngwn i thought that too, but then i don't know what is for me |
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| 16:32.51 | pi_ | preferably able to be updated via web. |
| 16:32.52 | tarzeau | does someone run woody, and solarwolf runs on his computer? |
| 16:32.52 | osity | does anyone know anything about software raid 1? |
| 16:32.56 | pi_ | anyone know of a good one? |
| 16:32.57 | pngwn | flame, distrowatch.com has all kinds of loads |
| 16:33.21 | asg | pi_: pal is probably the closet to what you want, though it is missing some of your requirements. |
| 16:33.22 | flame | yes, but i can't try them without downloading them, debian makes no exception, that's why i'm here:/ |
| 16:33.26 | coolermania | call back on Linux pppd? |
| 16:33.28 | FromTO | does anyone know of an ocr program that can convert pdf files into text (these are scanned pdf files, therefore images ...) gocr does not wok on pdf files and ocrxtr is verry expensive |
| 16:33.32 | asg | pi_: probably better to hack one up yourself. |
| 16:33.39 | tarzeau | FromTO: pdftopng ? |
| 16:33.40 | pi_ | does pal do email reminders? |
| 16:33.42 | j_k | osity: ask your question please. |
| 16:33.43 | pngwn | flame, before debian I tried many distributions |
| 16:33.50 | Empty | flame: installing with debian installer over the net will make your life MUCH easier |
| 16:33.59 | asg | pi_: I can't remember offhand, check http://palcal.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:33.59 | flame | i would want something like knoppix on a dvd but non-live, installable |
| 16:34.02 | pi_ | I've got squirrelmail, and I installed the shared calendar for ical support, but it slows squirrelmail down drastically. |
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| 16:34.35 | pngwn | flame, about the only way to find the one you like is to try them ;) |
| 16:34.37 | flame | Empty no, i leave the download over-night so i have the complete .iso, i have no patience to wait while installing with just 30k/s |
| 16:34.40 | FromTO | tarzeau: why do you suggest that |
| 16:34.43 | streuner_ | flame: i would say just use knoppix-live-CD and install debian over debootstrap |
| 16:34.45 | goofrider | flame: think of it this way: using the ne-installer gives u the lastest stable packages and security patches. If u give your friends CDs, they're be outdated quickly |
| 16:34.47 | tarzeau | FromTO: it was just an idea |
| 16:34.59 | FromTO | tarzeau: thanks |
| 16:35.04 | cahoot | FromTO: is it really a pdf if it's a scanned image? |
| 16:35.09 | flame | it's not a security problem if they don't have i-net |
| 16:35.09 | streuner_ | flame: also possible, without downloading serveral gigs... |
| 16:35.18 | stew | flame: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/ |
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| 16:35.27 | stew | flame: /msg dpkg jigdo |
| 16:35.29 | FromTO | cahoot: well I have it in pdf |
| 16:35.43 | FromTO | cahoot: I did not scan it.. that is the problem |
| 16:35.49 | goofrider | flame: maybe Knoppix and Ubuntu works better for u (if u choose to stay close the the Debian root) |
| 16:36.14 | voxvirus | if only apt could use bittorrent to download the packages |
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| 16:36.18 | simonrvn | stew: weee |
| 16:36.20 | cahoot | FromTO: so in reality it's images in a pdf? |
| 16:36.26 | stew | !sarge dvds is can be downloaded with jigdo from http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/ ; ask me about <jigdo> |
| 16:36.27 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 16:36.35 | voxvirus | imagine 200k/s downloads :) |
| 16:36.46 | flame | i've seen ubuntu, i'm not that computer illiterate to use it |
| 16:36.50 | stew | voxvirus: i regularly get 3 times that from debian just using http |
| 16:37.02 | valdyn | voxvirus: plenty mirrors provide this speed. |
| 16:37.02 | tarzeau | flame: wanna try something new? http://livecd.gnustep.org |
| 16:37.06 | o-o-o | voxvirus: why do you need to imagine that ? |
| 16:37.22 | gypsymauro | Empty: not exactly |
| 16:37.39 | Empty | gypsymauro, OK then, sorry |
| 16:37.58 | voxvirus | stew: lucky you, the fastest download i recall using apt was aprox 100k/s |
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| 16:38.14 | tarzeau | a local debian mirror on a 100mbit network is fun :) |
| 16:38.32 | Marticus | hrm |
| 16:38.32 | flame | anybody have screenshots with their debian at work ? |
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| 16:38.44 | tarzeau | flame: sure, www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
| 16:38.54 | voxvirus | depends a lot on the coutry your on, the repos you use, your isp, .... |
| 16:38.57 | Marticus | I just installed mailman package and it doesn't appear to have done anything to apache, did I do something wrong? |
| 16:39.05 | tarzeau | flame: sure, www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/gnustep.jpg |
| 16:39.15 | valdyn | flame: what would the point of screenshots be? |
| 16:39.28 | flame | so i can make an idea |
| 16:39.29 | Marticus | for fun, I suppose |
| 16:39.30 | dfzi | tarzeau, server monitor? |
| 16:39.38 | valdyn | flame: certainly not |
| 16:39.40 | domi | umlauts are shown as ?? in my console |
| 16:39.42 | flame | tarzeau that looks like from 20 years ago |
| 16:39.58 | tarzeau | flame: your display gamma is wrong |
| 16:40.05 | Ronin | flame: theres tons on google, just do a search |
| 16:40.11 | tarzeau | dfzi? |
| 16:40.13 | valdyn | flame: debian provides provides a gazillion window managers, and people using debian have _every_ look you can imagine, theres _nothing_ you can conclude from 1 screen shot |
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| 16:40.28 | xxenon | pour une raison inconnue, un appel dhcp depuis ma machine en 2.4 trouve une adresse. Apres un passage en 2.6, il ne trouve plus rien. Une idée ? |
| 16:40.31 | xxenon | sorry, wrong channel. |
| 16:40.46 | goofrider | um.. Gnustep is a rather old lookig DE |
| 16:40.59 | stew | !trouvez en 2.4 |
| 16:41.01 | Marticus | it's a window manager, not a de |
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| 16:41.05 | Marticus | last time I checked |
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| 16:41.08 | goofrider | right right |
| 16:41.13 | goofrider | I meant WM |
| 16:41.14 | stew | he owes graycat 1 franc or something |
| 16:41.14 | Marticus | :) |
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| 16:41.29 | EdibleText | flame, you can have transparent terminals with hentai background, if that sort of thing is your bag |
| 16:41.30 | goofrider | it is kinda a DE though right..? |
| 16:41.30 | hussam | anyone knows if openoffice 1.1.3-9 in debian unstable contain this fix? http://download.openoffice.org/1.1.4/security_patch.html |
| 16:41.31 | streuner_ | stew: yeah, teach dpkg french :-) |
| 16:41.31 | Ronin | heh any bets alesal omaher and marmos are spam bots? |
| 16:41.32 | tarzeau | goofrider: so what? |
| 16:41.34 | Marticus | so has someone here installed mailman from .deb? |
| 16:41.39 | goofrider | with OpenStep caomaptibilty |
| 16:41.41 | genix_ | Is there anyone here that has installed LAMP on Sarge and can help me for 1 second? |
| 16:41.45 | goofrider | API wise |
| 16:41.48 | Marticus | it seems a bit awkward to me, what are you experiences |
| 16:41.59 | asg | genix_: just ask your question, we'll help if we can. |
| 16:42.01 | tarzeau | goofrider: nobody asked for a newlooking environment, was there? |
| 16:42.12 | goofrider | haha |
| 16:42.25 | flame | well as i said, i want something like knoppix on a dvd, but not live, with lots of binaries for all kinds of apps, and that can run almost anything |
| 16:42.31 | domi | why are the umlaut shown as ?? |
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| 16:42.58 | genix_ | I have installed "apt-get install apache php5 php5-mysql" but cant open php files (even if I have configured this in httd.conf) |
| 16:42.58 | Marticus | the app doesn't recognize the charset? |
| 16:42.59 | valdyn | flame: in which sense like knoppix? |
| 16:43.02 | hussam | guys, anyone knows if openoffice 1.1.3-9 in debian unstable contain this fix? http://download.openoffice.org/1.1.4/security_patch.html |
| 16:43.06 | tarzeau | goofrider: know http://www2.retroraunch.com/ads.cfm?f=2&u=3&g=3&aid=1725 ? |
| 16:43.08 | j_k | domi: what's the terminal ? |
| 16:43.12 | genix_ | asg: I have installed "apt-get install apache php5 php5-mysql" but cant open php files (even if I have configured this in httd.conf) |
| 16:43.15 | asg | genix_: php5 is not officially in debian |
| 16:43.31 | Ungy | ugg I need help I just changed a name server and it resolves correctly I changed resolv.conf to point to itself and yet I still cannot see the other dns entries for that domain |
| 16:43.33 | domi | gnome-terminal |
| 16:43.34 | asg | genix_: did you get it from dotdeb.org? |
| 16:43.36 | Marticus | oh well, I suppose I will need to hold off on mailman |
| 16:43.40 | genix_ | asg: Yes |
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| 16:43.44 | j_k | domi: try setting the right charset |
| 16:43.50 | flame | in the sense that it mounts all the partitions at startup, it puts all the programs in the menu, so you don't have to search for them on the hard drive |
| 16:43.53 | asg | genix_: then you most likely need a libapache-mod-php5 from the same place. |
| 16:43.55 | j_k | domi: (utf-8, probably.) |
| 16:43.55 | domi | done |
| 16:44.05 | domi | but on the tty it's also so |
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| 16:44.21 | Zambba | Which WM should I put to my P200 box with 64 Mt ram? WM should look much like KDE or Windows :S |
| 16:44.33 | goofrider | flame: just about ALL modern distros do them |
| 16:44.35 | domi | i can type the umlauts but its displayed as ?? |
| 16:44.38 | K_dallas | hussam: i uninstalled me copy of OO which was in sarge part and installed the latest OO file, beta 2, from the instruction i found on the net and everything worked fine |
| 16:44.39 | asg | Zambba: xfce or icewm are probably about as good as you are going to get. |
| 16:44.48 | xxenon | for some reason, a dhcp call on my 2.4 kernel finds an address. The same call on a 2.6 kernels finds nothing. Any clue ? Something I forgot in the kernel config ? |
| 16:44.50 | j_k | domi: your application, terminal and/or font don't use the same encoding. |
| 16:44.50 | freedom | icewm very small and fast |
| 16:44.55 | streuner_ | Zambba: /msg dpkg window manager |
| 16:44.57 | asg | Zambba: though you are better off going lighter with {open,flux,black}box |
| 16:44.58 | j_k | domi: (probably) |
| 16:45.03 | K_dallas | Zambba: there is also ION |
| 16:45.04 | EdibleText | Zambba, *box |
| 16:45.10 | Zambba | :) |
| 16:45.10 | streuner_ | dpkg window manager |
| 16:45.10 | dpkg | window manager is, like, includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 16:45.12 | Ungy | how do I force a reload of dns zones? |
| 16:45.19 | asg | Ungy: for which server? |
| 16:45.23 | flame | i want something very customly built for ppl like me, something like Whoppix but without the haxoring tools |
| 16:45.24 | Ungy | my server |
| 16:45.33 | asg | Ungy: which type of dns software |
| 16:45.39 | genix_ | asg: ok, its not availible from testing source or .dotdeb.org |
| 16:45.51 | goofrider | flame: Gentoo |
| 16:45.55 | Ungy | asg I guess I can't do what I want |
| 16:46.08 | domi | j_k, what can it be? i have set the correct chars on the gnome-terminal, in gnome, in inputrc i have done utf-8 |
| 16:46.08 | asg | flame: you can build custom debian livecds with whatever you want on them with bootcd. (The same can be installed directly to a harddrive also) |
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| 16:46.18 | asg | Ungy: are you using bind? maradns? djbdns? |
| 16:46.20 | streuner_ | !gentoosmite goofrider |
| 16:46.24 | EdibleText | flame, it sounds like you want to install debain. |
| 16:46.27 | goofrider | I thought he said he doesn't wnat live CD |
| 16:46.28 | j_k | domi: what program is outputting the weird chars ? |
| 16:46.31 | Ungy | asg I am having a bitch of a time trying to get my dns server to work since I changed ip |
| 16:46.37 | Ungy | asg I am using bind9 |
| 16:46.38 | eddi3 | how can i get ping to timestamp every ping? |
| 16:46.39 | domi | j_k, : ls |
| 16:46.52 | EdibleText | !debain |
| 16:46.53 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 16:46.55 | EdibleText | heh |
| 16:46.56 | asg | genix_: see if there is information at dotdeb then, apache should require a libapache-mod-php5. |
| 16:47.00 | asg | Ungy: rndc reload |
| 16:47.05 | j_k | domi: well, your filenames don't use this encoding, maybe.. |
| 16:47.13 | goofrider | streuner_: but ppl like flasme likes gentoo |
| 16:47.13 | asg | Ungy: if that doesn't work, try #dns for more extensive treatment of the subject. |
| 16:47.18 | j_k | domi: what did write this file ? |
| 16:47.27 | Ungy | asg I changed the local machine IP I had network solutions update there ns registry so ns is proper but now all subdomains are not working |
| 16:47.32 | j_k | domi, oh, maybe a ls option |
| 16:47.43 | Ungy | onk thanks |
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| 16:47.55 | domi | in gedi for example the filename is correct |
| 16:47.59 | domi | sorry, gedit |
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| 16:48.15 | j_k | domi: what's the LANG environment variable set to ? |
| 16:48.28 | domi | LANG=de_CH |
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| 16:48.36 | asg | !tell boot_7r about root |
| 16:48.55 | genix_ | asg: I have installed apache, but libapache-mod-php5 is not installed, I did not even find it from stable |
| 16:49.15 | j_k | domi: try ls -N. Also try setting LANG to de_CH.UTF-8 and check if it's in /etc/localegen. |
| 16:49.16 | goofrider | php5 is not in Debian I think |
| 16:49.16 | domi | where can i do this configuration except the bashrc |
| 16:49.22 | asg | genix_: anything on dotdeb regarding installation? With official debian packages, libapache-mod-php4 is what you need. |
| 16:49.35 | j_k | domi: (alternatively, dpkg-reconfigure locales) |
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| 16:49.56 | coolermania | call back on Linux pppd? |
| 16:50.04 | coolermania | help :) |
| 16:50.12 | genix_ | asg: I see what I can do, thank you |
| 16:50.18 | asg | genix_: you're welcome |
| 16:50.23 | EdibleText | the bot should on-join spam root, instead of yelling ROOO*T has landed... (not that Ive seen it to that lately) |
| 16:50.27 | j_k | domi: dpkg-reconfigure locales should ask you for a system-wide default. |
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| 16:50.50 | asg | EdibleText: apt hasn't been around for a bit. |
| 16:51.07 | simonrvn | apt_: test |
| 16:51.07 | j_k | dome: then re-login for the change to take effect. |
| 16:51.08 | EdibleText | !comfort apt |
| 16:51.09 | dpkg | There, there, apt. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:51.17 | asg | simonrvn: been awol for a day or so now |
| 16:51.25 | simonrvn | eek |
| 16:51.35 | simonrvn | so who's this imposter? |
| 16:51.35 | jose | mmm |
| 16:51.58 | asg | ~botsnack |
| 16:51.58 | apt | aw, gee, asg |
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| 16:52.06 | jose | alguien mepodria ayudar con la confi de dhcp |
| 16:52.07 | asg | simonrvn: well, I guess Tim didn't fix him ;) |
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| 16:52.32 | domi | not bad, now its not a questionmark, its a rectangle |
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| 16:52.37 | asg | jose: try #debian-es or #debian-br |
| 16:52.43 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 16:53.34 | asg | simonrvn: my spanish and portuguese is only slighly better than my french. |
| 16:53.49 | jose | ok gracias... |
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| 16:53.52 | asg | de nada |
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| 16:53.58 | simonrvn | i know little of either. i translate from french |
| 16:54.00 | j_k | domi: symbol not in the font ? |
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| 16:54.18 | simonrvn | er, to, rather |
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| 16:54.45 | domi | j_k, maybe |
| 16:54.51 | Ungy | anyone know offhand what the package that has dig and nslookup is? |
| 16:54.55 | rafetcambaz | hello |
| 16:54.56 | asg | Ungy: dnsutils |
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| 16:55.07 | rafetcambaz | how can ? install xserver ? |
| 16:55.12 | Ungy | thanks |
| 16:55.14 | asg | rafetcambaz: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 16:55.24 | genix_ | asg: now I have apache php4 php4-mysql libapache-mod-php4 but the problem persist |
| 16:55.28 | rafetcambaz | oki |
| 16:55.31 | rafetcambaz | thanks |
| 16:55.59 | genix_ | asg: Should I install every package for LAMP from only dotdeb.org |
| 16:56.06 | genix_ | asg: I check it that way |
| 16:56.21 | eddi3 | is it possible to get ping to timestamp every count? |
| 16:56.21 | asg | genix_: check that httpd.conf has an uncommented AddHandler for php, that the php4 module is loaded with a LoadModule, and that you restarted apache and flushed your browser cache |
| 16:56.34 | asg | eddi3: -T |
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| 16:56.59 | eddi3 | asg when i put -T tsonly it gives me weird numbers |
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| 16:58.23 | domi | domi, . |
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| 16:59.07 | genix_ | asg: have you installed LAMP with Debian apache 1.3 php 5 mysql 4.1? |
| 16:59.52 | asg | genix_: I run a number of lamp servers with apache 1.3.x, php4, and mysql 4.0.x |
| 17:00.11 | abrotman | php5 isn't in debian |
| 17:00.13 | genix_ | asg: Cool, |
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| 17:00.42 | genix_ | abrotman: it's in dotdeb.org |
| 17:00.43 | Ungy | I run apache2 |
| 17:00.49 | abrotman | right .. not in debian |
| 17:01.00 | asg | genix_: my suggestion for a relatively flawless sarge install is. a) install apache. b) install php4 libapache-mod-php4. c) install php4-mysql |
| 17:01.05 | genix_ | Ungy: apache 1.3 is treesafe |
| 17:01.05 | Ungy | niehter is mysql 4.1 |
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| 17:02.02 | stew | Ungy: what about mysql 4.1? |
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| 17:02.44 | goofrider | both php5 and mysql 4.1 are considered somewhat a moving target (ahem) |
| 17:02.50 | goofrider | not for porduction use |
| 17:03.11 | usn | hi all |
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| 17:04.37 | stew | goofrider: why isn't mysql-server-4.1 for production use? |
| 17:05.00 | osity | anyone know software raid? |
| 17:05.05 | osity | raid 1? |
| 17:05.07 | genix_ | goofrider: yeah, its not in beta anymore AFAIK |
| 17:05.20 | osity | i need to know how to partition the drives.. |
| 17:05.37 | goofrider | there are still some talbe upgrade issues but I forgot the specifics |
| 17:05.37 | eddi3 | is there a command to convert absolute time to actualy time? |
| 17:05.45 | genix_ | osity: fdisk /dev/hda |
| 17:05.54 | asg | eddi3: date(1) should be able to |
| 17:06.03 | osity | genix: i dont need the command |
| 17:06.32 | osity | genix: ubuntu seems to have tools.....but i dont know how to patition the dricve size wise |
| 17:06.38 | simonrvn | the password and other stuff is incompatibility issues, that have builtin workarounds (the issue i know of anyway), so i don,t think it's that big a deal |
| 17:06.52 | osity | genix: i have 2 200gb... |
| 17:07.00 | streuner_ | osity: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
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| 17:07.23 | genix_ | osity: Make the same partitios tables on both HD:s |
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| 17:07.39 | simonrvn | epoch-days () { |
| 17:07.39 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.39 | simonrvn | } |
| 17:07.40 | osity | genix: make what partitions |
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| 17:07.51 | streuner_ | osity: do you use debian? |
| 17:07.53 | osity | 200gb partitions? |
| 17:07.59 | osity | ubuntu .....debia based |
| 17:08.11 | streuner_ | !based on debian |
| 17:08.11 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 17:08.14 | simonrvn | epoch-secs () {\n date -d "1970-01-01 $1 sec UTC" +'%Y-%m-%d %T %z'\n} |
| 17:08.21 | genix_ | osity: =), if you want to mirror 200G |
| 17:08.24 | osity | or should i go 199gb and 1gb for swap? |
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| 17:08.35 | osity | i want the whole thing mirrored |
| 17:08.42 | osity | can i do 200gb? |
| 17:08.43 | genix_ | osity: the same swap size as your amount of RAM |
| 17:08.50 | simonrvn | translate unix time to human tim |
| 17:08.53 | simonrvn | e |
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| 17:09.52 | osity | genix: do which is it? 200gb partition or 199 with a 1gb swap? |
| 17:09.52 | genix_ | osity: ok, the second |
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| 17:10.00 | streuner_ | osity: why not asking in #ubuntu? |
| 17:10.09 | osity | genix: noone know software raid in there |
| 17:10.12 | osity | :( |
| 17:10.32 | genix_ | osity: make sure that the parition tables are identically in both HD:s |
| 17:10.47 | osity | so setup both partitions as raid volume and then have raid device the same again? |
| 17:11.01 | genix_ | osity: I have never used some raid sofware in Debian, just in Solaris |
| 17:11.09 | osity | but as xfs and a swap? |
| 17:11.12 | sparr_ | can i make a diff that will create and populate subdirectories when 'patch'ed? |
| 17:11.15 | goofrider | I use LVM |
| 17:11.26 | goofrider | but the procedure is pretty simliar |
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| 17:11.52 | goofrider | osity: the howtos are pretty self-explantory |
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| 17:12.07 | genix_ | osity: switch to Solaris =) |
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| 17:12.39 | osity | goo: no they are not |
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| 17:12.51 | goofrider | osity: u sure u wanna use XFS as / |
| 17:12.53 | goofrider | ??? |
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| 17:13.06 | osity | they do not indicate anything about setting up partitions or what type or structure' |
| 17:13.07 | genix_ | osity: You always have 8 disk slices on each drive there |
| 17:13.16 | goofrider | XFS is NOT shrinkable |
| 17:13.16 | osity | sure....why not? |
| 17:13.26 | osity | why do i want shrinkable? |
| 17:13.41 | osity | and what do you recommend? |
| 17:13.42 | lakora | how do/ |
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| 17:14.26 | goofrider | well.. I guess if u'r gonna do RAID it makes no diffrence if it's no shrinkable |
| 17:14.39 | goofrider | Personally I'd do LVM over RAID |
| 17:14.51 | MooseMorals | How do I undo an apt-get upgrade? |
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| 17:15.02 | exerd | hmm i have an amd 3200+ processor is it a K7 then? |
| 17:15.21 | asg | MooseMorals: what did you upgrade? |
| 17:15.25 | streuner_ | !k7 |
| 17:15.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 17:15.47 | MooseMorals | asg: xfree86, the security update from a few days ago |
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| 17:16.05 | asg | MooseMorals: you can get previous versions of packages manually at snapshot.debian.net |
| 17:16.25 | MooseMorals | exerd: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name" - should tell you what CPU you have |
| 17:16.56 | Sero_ | Grandma? |
| 17:16.57 | exerd | thank you! |
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| 17:17.36 | MooseMorals | asg: Thanks |
| 17:17.41 | asg | MooseMorals: you're welcome |
| 17:18.08 | asg | genix_: I'm actually off to lunch right now. Perhaps someone else in channel can help. Sorry. |
| 17:18.18 | genix_ | asg: =), np |
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| 17:19.13 | zaka | hello, the command to unrar a file.rar to the same folder? plz |
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| 17:19.41 | jethro | zaka: man man , then man rar |
| 17:20.06 | osity | what do you think of resierfs? |
| 17:20.21 | zaka | i do, but i cant how, can u help me plz? |
| 17:20.22 | MooseMorals | It works |
| 17:20.47 | jethro | !irritate zaka |
| 17:20.48 | dpkg | zaka: Y iz debain so old? who uses kde ???/ |
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| 17:20.59 | streuner_ | !lart osity |
| 17:21.07 | osity | what? |
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| 17:21.26 | osity | use ubuntu its new :0 |
| 17:21.35 | osity | why was i chopped in half |
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| 17:21.50 | MooseMorals | Haven't filesystems been solved already? |
| 17:21.53 | streuner_ | osity: troll elsewhere |
| 17:21.57 | jethro | !troll osity |
| 17:22.02 | jethro | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 17:22.06 | osity | dpkg is a moron |
| 17:22.07 | osity | :) |
| 17:22.10 | zaka | dpkg : i m using debian sarge testing, kde 3.3.2 |
| 17:22.13 | jethro | everyday is like suuuuuuuuuuuuuunday |
| 17:22.14 | osity | im 5'9 |
| 17:22.20 | osity | hardly a trolll |
| 17:22.41 | luulis | zaka: unrar x unpacks rar file with full path as you could read from man page, also, you could use some GUI archiver, they should be able to handle rar files too.. |
| 17:22.42 | jethro | osity: 5'9 tall and still such a moron? |
| 17:22.47 | zaka | and when i do right click and extract, the message is, cant found the folder ..... |
| 17:22.48 | joel_ | Im 8" |
| 17:22.50 | joel_ | well hung |
| 17:23.00 | streuner_ | osity: you might be tall, but that's not always important... |
| 17:23.10 | jethro | zaka: apt-get install unrar-nonfree |
| 17:23.12 | joel_ | no, it's the thickness that counts |
| 17:23.17 | osity | 5'9 is hardly tall einstein... |
| 17:23.21 | zaka | :) |
| 17:23.31 | abrotman | osity: depends where you're from :) |
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| 17:23.38 | osity | hehe |
| 17:23.47 | jethro | in some parts of africa, 5.9 is a giant size |
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| 17:24.03 | agent | anyone having problems logging into ebay today using firefox? |
| 17:24.17 | jethro | !anyone |
| 17:24.17 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 17:26.00 | stew | MooseMorals: did you check if you still had the old version in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 17:26.26 | MooseMorals | stew: nooo.... |
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| 17:26.51 | stew | agent: i did not have problems |
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| 17:28.03 | cockroach | hi. i'm having trouble with a soundblaster audigy 2: shortly after i start music playback (2.6.11: about 30 seconds, 2.6.12: almost immediately) the box locks up leaving the soundcard in a beeping-buzzing state. an sb live (same chip, i think) works just fine... |
| 17:28.13 | cockroach | (in the same box) |
| 17:28.41 | agent | stew, blah! i keep getting this annoying error: "... cannot communicate securly because they have no common encryption algorithms"... i did not change anything on my system since yesterday that could affect this... ebay had a server crash yesterday but still... googled and a few other people had similar issues even last year but none of the fixes help me :( |
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| 17:29.32 | furrywolf | agent: starting last night I've gotten those intermittently on ebay... seems to still work though. |
| 17:30.16 | furrywolf | hitting reload always seems to fix things... could be one of their servers is broken, and when their load-balancing sends you to it, it doesn't work. |
| 17:30.52 | agent | furrywolf, well... i get it every single time... seems like maybe i am always getting that one pesky server :( |
| 17:30.57 | furrywolf | hrmm |
| 17:31.06 | furrywolf | I've gotten it a total of twice. :) |
| 17:31.37 | doub | agent: try a force-reload, that is holding shift while hitting the reload button |
| 17:31.43 | jethro | !seen greycat |
| 17:31.43 | dpkg | greycat <rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20h 38m 57s ago, saying: 'xort: that's not even the right filename.'. |
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| 17:31.46 | agent | furrywolf, i get it every time :( tried reloading, tried going back to main page and going from there.. |
| 17:31.54 | furrywolf | hrmm |
| 17:32.07 | furrywolf | try using ebay.aol.com or one of the other ebay sites |
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| 17:32.23 | z1tr3k | how do i setup gtk-display to run gnome? |
| 17:32.38 | agent | doub, nope :( |
| 17:33.21 | agent | furrywolf, same problem |
| 17:33.37 | agent | furrywolf, once i hit the login screen it directs me to the same place everytime |
| 17:33.42 | furrywolf | hrmm, don't know then. |
| 17:33.47 | furrywolf | ebay.co.uk? :) |
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| 17:34.04 | doub | agent: is your firefox working for other |
| 17:34.11 | doub | agent: ... https sites? |
| 17:34.26 | Fo | hi, I would like to reorganize my log archiving structure a little bit, and I would like to log all error from faclicity postfix to /var/log/postfix.log but when I've added to syslog.conf line : postfix.* -/var/log/syslog : nothing is writed to this file ... and to syslog file - yes, what am I doing wrong ? |
| 17:34.28 | agent | doub, yes.. bank works and so does the encrypted mozilla extension site |
| 17:34.53 | furrywolf | doub: also, I started getting the same error last night... something's broken in ebayville. |
| 17:35.28 | doub | agent: then try to get a hold on some other browser, or other OS, and see if it works |
| 17:35.45 | furrywolf | they had some server-crashage-issue last night... corresponded to the errors starting. |
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| 17:35.54 | doub | agent: if that still doesn't work, the servers might be broken, as furrywolf points |
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| 17:36.28 | furrywolf | they run windows; probably related. :P |
| 17:37.02 | doub | furrywolf: ebay is running windows? |
| 17:37.09 | agent | doub, yeah... ill try with a dif browser... no other os though... never had a problem like this for the few years i had linux (just started using ubuntu few days ago but i know its not ubuntu's fault) |
| 17:37.19 | stew | agent: try killing mozilla and restarting so that you might get a different server, you probably got a test server from a dns round robin |
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| 17:39.02 | agent | stealth, restarting firefox doesnt work... |
| 17:39.19 | doub | furrywolf: i've been told by several m$ zealots, that even to them, windows server is not good for large scale operation |
| 17:39.40 | furrywolf | doub: don't forget how long it took microsoft to move hotmail from bsd to windows. :P |
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| 17:39.54 | furrywolf | and that windows updated was reporting freebsd at one point... |
| 17:40.09 | furrywolf | s/updated/update |
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| 17:40.49 | doub | furrywolf: maybe they have windows transparent proxy servers in front of BSD machines ;) |
| 17:41.03 | Fo | hmm, anybody can give me a hint ? |
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| 17:41.20 | EdibleText | !hint |
| 17:41.27 | Fo | bahah |
| 17:41.32 | Fo | not like this |
| 17:41.34 | bartden | how can i upload a complete dir with ftp (in commandline) |
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| 17:42.00 | Crasp | bartden: ncftpput |
| 17:42.09 | zaikxtox | hello. someone installed openmosix for 2.6 kernel on debian? |
| 17:42.10 | stew | Fo: postfix logs to the mail.* facility not postfix.* |
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| 17:42.38 | Fo | stew : but cant I reorganize this like I want ? |
| 17:42.41 | stew | Fo: if you want postfix to have a separate log, maybe lookup if there is a way to have it log directly to /var/log/postfix.log instead of logging via syslog |
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| 17:42.56 | zaikxtox | i have my kernel patched but mosmon says mon: This is NOT a OpenMosix system |
| 17:43.19 | saintiss | hi |
| 17:43.23 | abrotman | or send mail.* to postfix log ? |
| 17:43.23 | saintiss | is it possible to check somehow how many sectors there are on a device? |
| 17:43.25 | Crasp | i think somebody should slap the openmosix people around a bit with proper grammar |
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| 17:43.39 | saintiss | (e.g. from the number of cylinders or something?) |
| 17:43.39 | abrotman | Crasp: you forgot a period to end your statement |
| 17:43.58 | doub | saintiss: dmesg will tell you. or syslog |
| 17:43.59 | Crasp | abrotman: i also forgot to type i with a capital i |
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| 17:44.10 | abrotman | Crasp: i thought perhaps your shift key was broken :) |
| 17:44.28 | aplei | hello ... does anybody know any live cd with dmcrypt support and utilities (and yes, k2.6)? |
| 17:44.34 | Crasp | my statements usually end with ; anyway |
| 17:44.46 | saintiss | doub: thanks... is the number of sectors per partition also listed somewhere? |
| 17:44.48 | Crasp | all so confusing |
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| 17:45.14 | doub | saintiss: fdisk -l might know |
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| 17:46.05 | alex__ | top on my machine always display the RAM has being used at 85-90% of its capacity, I thought about adding more ram but a friend of mine told me that linux was meant to use all the RAM anyway, can someone explain this to me please ? |
| 17:46.09 | saintiss | doub: that says x sectors per track, but not how many tracks there are |
| 17:46.15 | bartden | how can i make mysql listen on a certain interface (using openbsd) |
| 17:46.30 | EdibleText | !mem |
| 17:46.30 | dpkg | somebody said mem was You must add the string: append="mem=xxxM" (where xxx = the amount of memory installed in megabytes) to /etc/lilo.conf in the LILO global section - this applies to 2.0.x AND 2.2.x kernels on machines with broken bioses |
| 17:46.39 | abrotman | bartden: you are completely in the wrong channel |
| 17:46.48 | saintiss | doub: well, how many tracks is not important, but the relationship between tracks and cylinders or sectors and cylinders is |
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| 17:46.52 | stew | bartden: you have got to be kidding |
| 17:46.55 | doub | saintiss: if you have the number of sectors, and the number of sectors per track, i think you can calculate the number of tracks |
| 17:47.04 | ApEtc | alex__: Is a lot of it used by buffers? (at the top) |
| 17:47.06 | abrotman | bartden: there is #mysql for starters .. and probably #openbsd |
| 17:47.18 | abrotman | bartden: and .. mysql.com .. and google.com |
| 17:47.27 | rasta___ | hi |
| 17:47.34 | alex__ | ApEtc: 85% |
| 17:47.51 | doub | saintiss: if you say so. but may I ask in what respect ? |
| 17:47.54 | saintiss | doub: yes, but see above: I don't need the number of tracks... I want to know how many cylinders there are in a sector, or the other way round |
| 17:47.57 | rasta___ | can i have debian minimal cd immage iso? |
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| 17:48.04 | abrotman | !d-i rasta___ |
| 17:48.05 | dpkg | rasta___, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:48.13 | ApEtc | alex__: In short, that's disk caching. When linux actually needs the memory, it'll be freed. |
| 17:48.15 | rasta___ | tnx |
| 17:48.18 | abrotman | rasta___: the 105MB netinst is the easiest probably |
| 17:48.20 | stew | rasta___: /msg dpkg netinst |
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| 17:49.06 | bartden | stew why ?? |
| 17:49.17 | abrotman | bartden: because you're in the WRONG CHANNEL |
| 17:49.21 | bartden | :) |
| 17:49.27 | alex__ | ApEtc: but I have 512Mb of RAM and I wanted to add another 512MB, but do I need to do this then ? how do I really see what I need ? |
| 17:49.29 | bartden | so , i could try |
| 17:49.48 | abrotman | and we told you .. you're in the wrong channel .. try one that is at least related to your question |
| 17:49.57 | alex__ | ApEtc: and thus my friend were right in saying that linux uses it all ? |
| 17:50.01 | saintiss | doub: ok, got it... it's as much as the number of heads |
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| 17:50.09 | doub | saintiss: a bit of logic seems to indicate cylinders and sectors are unrelated |
| 17:50.16 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 17:50.17 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 17:50.31 | abrotman | !free memory |
| 17:50.31 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 17:50.34 | ApEtc | alex__: You'll have to decide based on the programs you run/how many you run at a time. Use top or free to see how much is used, how much is buffered, how deep into your swap you go. You can also use M (sort by memory) to get a look at specific program usage in top. |
| 17:50.58 | saintiss | doub: unrelated? why would you think so? |
| 17:51.02 | osity | where should i pu the boot loader in a raid 1 detup? |
| 17:51.14 | abrotman | uhm .. it's raid1 |
| 17:51.28 | abrotman | not hardware raid is it ? |
| 17:51.34 | ApEtc | alex__: I don't know if it is written that "Linux will use all available memory", but that is what the buffers will often do. But like I said, they will clear out if an actual program needs RAM. |
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| 17:51.53 | alex__ | okay thanks! |
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| 17:52.28 | doub | saintiss: a cylinder is, or at least was, a... cylinder, that is a disk plate (like a CD), AFAIK. a sector is the smallest addressable unit on a HDD. you can have as many cylinders, but a fixed number of sectors per cylinder |
| 17:52.40 | j_k | osity: i'd advocate a dediacated /boot |
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| 17:53.01 | w0lson | unbelievable. I put the debian netinstall cd in and boot off it. Now it's telling me the cd isin';t in the drive. |
| 17:53.03 | osity | j_k: i have 2 choices the MBR or the partition,,,, |
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| 17:53.10 | abrotman | w0lson: laptop? |
| 17:53.20 | w0lson | nope desktop |
| 17:53.28 | abrotman | screwy desktop ? :) |
| 17:53.30 | j_k | osity: what boot loader is this ? |
| 17:53.32 | alex__ | ApEtc: so the real memory that is being used is the buffer one or the cache one ? |
| 17:53.36 | w0lson | It's the debain sarge netinstall |
| 17:53.38 | abrotman | w0lson: did you try both 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 17:53.41 | saintiss | doub: right, so what I wanted to know was that fixed number of sectors per cylinder... that's a relation between them, no? |
| 17:53.45 | osity | j_k: LILO |
| 17:53.49 | solanet | gnome network config |
| 17:53.58 | ApEtc | doub: I believe a cylinder is the same track through all platters. |
| 17:53.59 | w0lson | 2.4 had bugs from what someone told me |
| 17:54.06 | w0lson | or 2.6 dont recall which one did |
| 17:54.06 | abrotman | w0lson: it's still worth a try |
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| 17:54.15 | j_k | osity: IIRC it supports RAID-1. I'd go for the partition but it's a metter of taste. Both should work. |
| 17:54.24 | doub | ApEtc: ok that explains it. thanks for the info |
| 17:54.25 | abrotman | w0lson: did you type anything when it started or just hit enter?(this is x86 right?) |
| 17:54.25 | j_k | s/metter/matter |
| 17:54.29 | alex__ | ApEtc: ? |
| 17:54.40 | w0lson | yea x86 and the cd booted when the machien turned on |
| 17:54.55 | osity | j_k: i just wanna reboot the pc and have it boot in to the OS.... |
| 17:54.59 | abrotman | w0lson: then you tried a 2.4 installation .. when it starts .. type "linux26"(no quotes) .. and hit enter |
| 17:54.59 | w0lson | now it's saying to put the cd in the drive. I ahve taken it out and put it back in but nothing |
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| 17:55.14 | w0lson | I am at a menu right now |
| 17:55.18 | j_k | osity: is there another OS installed ? |
| 17:55.40 | abrotman | w0lson: no .. you need to turn your machine off .. start again .. and when it comes up with the little debian ascii art thing .. type linux26 and hit enter |
| 17:55.41 | w0lson | I am at a prompt right now |
| 17:55.46 | j_k | osity: (or any plan to install one?) |
| 17:55.47 | w0lson | just a sec |
| 17:55.55 | osity | im an using ubuntu ...this is gonna be a fresh install |
| 17:56.00 | osity | im using 2 200gb drives |
| 17:56.00 | ApEtc | alex__: buffers is just the caching. It is actually being used, but not directly by a running program. |
| 17:56.01 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 17:56.01 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 17:56.37 | doub | saintiss: what you want seems to be the number of sector per tracks, rather |
| 17:56.57 | ApEtc | alex__: I'm not really an expert on this, pretty much everything I've said is based on observation. |
| 17:57.05 | doub | saintiss: but sector/cylinder is sect/track * cylinder, i guess |
| 17:57.10 | w0lson | says press F1 fior help or enter to boot and I hit F1 |
| 17:57.16 | w0lson | now it's giving me choices |
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| 17:57.42 | abrotman | w0lson: type linux26 .. hit enter .. give it a whirl before you get into more complicated options |
| 17:57.46 | saintiss | doub: ok, thqnks |
| 17:57.53 | w0lson | I have 3.1 BTW |
| 17:58.09 | abrotman | w0lson: please do what i asked :) |
| 17:58.15 | w0lson | what key do I hit? |
| 17:58.21 | w0lson | F1-F10 |
| 17:58.24 | doub | saintiss: and besides, on modern HDD the reported numbers don't have much to do with what's really in your drive. i.e., most HDD have much more sectors/track on the outsite of the disk than on the inside |
| 17:58.26 | abrotman | w0lson: you type "linux26" .. no quotes .. then hit entier |
| 17:58.35 | w0lson | sorry |
| 17:58.39 | w0lson | I did that |
| 17:58.41 | abrotman | or enter |
| 17:58.44 | abrotman | not entier |
| 17:58.44 | doub | saintiss: but for the sake of compatibility, this figure remains |
| 17:58.48 | abrotman | i don't have an entier key |
| 17:58.58 | abrotman | w0lson: and now what? .. the installer started ? |
| 17:59.05 | w0lson | like it did the last time |
| 17:59.11 | abrotman | but it's a different kernel |
| 17:59.13 | w0lson | detecting hardware |
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| 17:59.19 | abrotman | and may have different results |
| 17:59.36 | w0lson | it still says the cd isin't in the drive yet it is AND it booted off the cdrom drive |
| 17:59.43 | w0lson | wtf? |
| 17:59.45 | thom___ | Anyone familiar with RDF? |
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| 18:00.08 | w0lson | when it gets to detecting hardware, thats when it asks for the cd |
| 18:00.08 | sdschulze | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:25uXkoYh7yAJ:packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libwxgtk2.5.3+libwxgtk2.5.3&hl=de%20target=nw |
| 18:00.09 | doub | w0lson: it didn't successfully detect your CD-ROM drive, for some reason |
| 18:00.13 | sdschulze | Where's that gone? |
| 18:00.15 | w0lson | yes it did |
| 18:00.17 | abrotman | w0lson: it failed again? |
| 18:00.19 | w0lson | it BOOTED off the CD |
| 18:00.25 | abrotman | yes .. we know |
| 18:00.32 | doub | w0lson: the BIOS is responsible for booting from CD |
| 18:00.34 | w0lson | still asking for the CD |
| 18:00.38 | w0lson | I know that |
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| 18:00.44 | abrotman | w0lson: wonky CD drive possibly? |
| 18:00.45 | w0lson | works fine in 2000, 98 and FreeBSD |
| 18:00.45 | doub | w0lson: but the OS doesn't have a clue until the driver is loaded |
| 18:00.46 | usuario | gen |
| 18:00.54 | usuario | hny |
| 18:00.59 | w0lson | again, the cdrom works fine in 2000, 98 and FreeBSD |
| 18:01.01 | abrotman | w0lson: can it get info from network ? |
| 18:01.08 | w0lson | hmmmm |
| 18:01.14 | w0lson | windows network? samba? |
| 18:01.22 | w0lson | how to connect to them? |
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| 18:01.36 | w0lson | I do have a samba share on BSD |
| 18:01.58 | abrotman | w0lson: no .. i mean .. the real internet :) |
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| 18:02.19 | w0lson | well, I am trying to install Debian via CD. If there is a network install, I can try that |
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| 18:04.05 | abrotman | w0lson: you have the netinst or something else(105MB image) |
| 18:07.22 | w0lson | I have the net install |
| 18:07.27 | w0lson | I'm gonna try another ide cabel |
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| 18:09.59 | osity | which partition should be active in a raid 1 setup? |
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| 18:12.03 | stew | otje: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 18:12.24 | otje | ah nice, thanks |
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| 18:13.11 | w0lson | hmmmm |
| 18:13.54 | notty | i get this error when i try to connect with pptp: Protocol-Reject for unsupported protocol 0x can anyone help me ? |
| 18:14.08 | abrotman | w0lson: C&C Music Factory? |
| 18:14.16 | abrotman | try 0y |
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| 18:14.23 | alex__ | how do I get the version of the result of package with apt-cache search ?I have tried apt-cache --version search xx and apt-cache search --version xx ? |
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| 18:14.28 | w0lson | hehe |
| 18:14.39 | abrotman | alex__: grep! |
| 18:14.39 | w0lson | no just looking for a spare ide cable, which I have none of |
| 18:14.51 | abrotman | alex__: apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 18:15.16 | abrotman | w0lson: sarge can be installed with froppies! |
| 18:15.46 | w0lson | I could try that |
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| 18:15.59 | abrotman | froppies! |
| 18:16.09 | alex__ | ok the version of apache for woody available via apt-get is 1.3.26, but on the apache website, it is said that there is a big security problem, what should I do ? |
| 18:16.12 | stew | engrish? |
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| 18:16.22 | EdibleText | sneaker net |
| 18:16.35 | abrotman | alex__: fixes get backported |
| 18:16.57 | stew | alex__: do you have a security line in your sources.list? |
| 18:17.09 | alex__ | stew: yes |
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| 18:17.33 | alex__ | abrotman: but I the backport bring fixes,does the version keep the same ? |
| 18:17.40 | stew | !info apache woody |
| 18:17.42 | dpkg | apache: (Versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.26-0woody6 (woody), Packaged size: 344 kB, Installed size: 752 kB |
| 18:17.53 | abrotman | alex__: as opposed to? |
| 18:17.55 | caphuso | alex__: the package version changes |
| 18:18.04 | stew | alex__: ^^^ the -woody6 means that its the 6th securty release on 1.3.26 |
| 18:18.09 | caphuso | the -0woody6 in this case |
| 18:18.20 | alex__ | stew: okay! thank you |
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| 18:19.54 | naddar | hi all |
| 18:20.04 | naddar | i have a question about nero anyone install it allready |
| 18:20.13 | abrotman | !info nero |
| 18:20.15 | directhex | naddar, yes |
| 18:20.19 | abrotman | guess not |
| 18:20.20 | directhex | abrotman, very non-free |
| 18:20.29 | abrotman | directhex: i'm so surprised :) |
| 18:20.44 | caphuso | naddar: ask nero. you paid for their support |
| 18:20.55 | abrotman | you have to pay for it now? |
| 18:21.01 | abrotman | naddar: are you using debian? |
| 18:21.04 | naddar | yeah |
| 18:21.14 | directhex | nerolinux is a free download if you have a registered retail copy of nero 6 |
| 18:21.27 | caphuso | which means you paid for it, doesn't it? |
| 18:21.30 | naddar | directhex: does it have a .deb file? |
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| 18:21.40 | abrotman | caphuso: kind of .. comes with a lot of burners |
| 18:21.41 | directhex | naddar, yes. go to ahead.de |
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| 18:21.52 | Death88 | anyone knows a good linux shells provider with irc acc |
| 18:21.53 | naddar | thanks |
| 18:21.56 | directhex | abrotman, the OEM version does (not eligable for nerolinux download) |
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| 18:21.58 | Death88 | (free) |
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| 18:22.05 | caphuso | abrotman: you still pay for it. ever wondered why retail packages of burners are cheaper than the one with software bundles? |
| 18:22.11 | abrotman | Death88: 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:22.30 | directhex | ii nerolinux 2.0.0.0-6 NeroLINUX CD/DVD burning software |
| 18:22.33 | abrotman | caphuso: no .. mine came with my laptop .. and not with Nero .. thank god |
| 18:22.45 | demon | anyone know if there's a particular reason the Xen sanctioned patch for making NPTL/TLS compatible with Xen hasn't been accepted into the glibc packages? |
| 18:22.47 | Death88 | abrotman :P |
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| 18:23.15 | directhex | abrotman, any particular reason for the thank god? it's the better of the windows closed-source burner apps |
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| 18:23.26 | abrotman | directhex: i like the .. RecordNow |
| 18:23.40 | caphuso | directhex: it is? then windows burner apps must really suck |
| 18:23.49 | technos | Mmmm.. Amazing hat you can do with real hardware somtimes. |
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| 18:24.50 | abrotman | i never cared for nero .. RecordNow was/is pretty cool |
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| 18:25.09 | directhex | you obviously never used roxio easy cd creator if you think nero's stupid |
| 18:25.18 | technos | I always thought the Windows XP shell extention intuitive and easy. |
| 18:25.26 | naddar | directhex: where i can register it it ask a serial |
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| 18:25.39 | abrotman | directhex: i have .. but nero is wide-spread .. and sucks ass |
| 18:25.40 | technos | Drag to the drive, right click, burn, you have a CD. |
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| 18:25.45 | directhex | naddar, give it the serial number from your retail version of nero 6 |
| 18:25.55 | w0lson | I love Roxio :-) |
| 18:25.57 | abrotman | technos: nautilus has that :) |
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| 18:27.03 | naddar | directhex: dont have lol |
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| 18:27.26 | directhex | naddar, so no nerolinux for you. good thing too, it sucks |
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| 18:27.36 | technos | abrotman: I don't care if naut has that. Linux has CDR tools. |
| 18:27.48 | abrotman | technos: yes .. it does .. i was just pointing it out |
| 18:27.49 | technos | abrotman: It's easy, it works. |
| 18:27.57 | directhex | presumably he was asking because he had a dodgy RPM |
| 18:28.12 | abrotman | !win caphuso |
| 18:28.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, caphuso! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 18:28.47 | EdibleText | i was wondering when he was going type '!list' |
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| 18:30.38 | technos | EdibleText: What, that doesn't give me the list of phat warez on ftp://uralamer;owned@127.0.0.1 |
| 18:30.44 | technos | EdibleText: ?? |
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| 18:31.29 | directhex | for reference, http://apebox.org/imglibrary.php?section=three&browse=//Desktops/&image=nerolinux.png - nerolinux has a clunky gtk1 ui and far fewer features than k3b - but will cost you £45 for the privilege |
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| 18:31.53 | abrotman | directhex: does it make coasters too? :) |
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| 18:32.04 | directhex | abrotman, if you ask it to nicely |
| 18:32.12 | stew | i've found cdrs to make poor coasters |
| 18:32.17 | EdibleText | at least people have the choice to support crappy corporate ware |
| 18:32.26 | abrotman | stew: you have to glue two together |
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| 18:32.43 | veleno | any other cdrecord graphical frontend more than gnomebaker,, graveman or xcdroast (in gnome) ? |
| 18:33.03 | abrotman | veleno: nautilus |
| 18:33.08 | abrotman | veleno: why? |
| 18:33.19 | kerneld | Odd. Can anyone connect to https://srv.main.ebayrtm.com with epiphany? I get an error that mozilla and the server have noc cyphers in common |
| 18:33.23 | tonix | hi guys, i'm using apt-build to install from sources (apt-build install mc) but an error occurs:Can't chdir(mc-4.6.0-4.6.1-pre3): No such file or directory at (eval 1) line 3! where is the problem? thanks a lot |
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| 18:33.42 | tonix | is it a mirror problem? |
| 18:33.55 | abrotman | why would you build mc ? |
| 18:34.00 | tonix | i mean, the problem is about the mc sources? |
| 18:34.14 | veleno | abrotman, how do I interact with the nautilus frontend? |
| 18:34.20 | stew | kerneld: someone else was recently complaining about the same, seems like ebay has some new broken servers in the mix, try restarting your browser and maybe you'll get a non-broken server |
| 18:34.20 | technos | Anyone have a hang with their HP9 graphics board in on Woody? This has been buggin' me for like a week |
| 18:34.22 | Emy | =? |
| 18:34.30 | abrotman | veleno: you open the cd creation thingie |
| 18:34.32 | veleno | abrotman, because i don't feel fine with none of them |
| 18:34.37 | Emy | =/ |
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| 18:34.49 | abrotman | veleno: i have to say that i found eroaster to be quite easy to use .. but i don't think it's in sarge |
| 18:34.57 | kerneld | stew: Cheers. |
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| 18:35.15 | roo9 | i have rsync rsync'ing to a rsyncd process on a remote server, during this process rsyncd's size grows continuiously, it's currently at 280MB and growing, any ideas how to fix this? |
| 18:35.22 | veleno | abrotman, i'm in unstable. is it there? |
| 18:35.23 | kerneld | It is just referenced in the ebay page for a script, but I am not sure I like it. |
| 18:35.25 | tonix | i'm building mc just to know if apt-build works |
| 18:35.47 | abrotman | !info eroaster |
| 18:35.49 | dpkg | eroaster: (The ECLiPt CD burning frontend), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 2.2.0-0.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 219 kB, Installed size: 1020 kB |
| 18:35.50 | nite613_ | I've run sarge basically since woody release, and now that sarge release is seeming (finally) immenent (maybe); I'm thinking of upgrading to sid before the switch. If now a relatively safe time to do a sarge->sid ? |
| 18:35.56 | abrotman | veleno: looks liek it |
| 18:36.06 | tyranix | Hi, does anyone use whizzytex in sid? I'm trying to use whizzytex with pdflatex and it just keeps bombing out. advi works fine. |
| 18:36.21 | OleMoudi | My firefox just ask me to update one of my plugins (tabbrowser preferences) I allowed it and I noticed the url of the download was from an ip. Then I realized the recent vulnerability of ff1.0.3. What do you guys recommend? |
| 18:36.25 | caphuso | nite613_: it's never safe to switch to sid |
| 18:36.46 | abrotman | OleMoudi: find that IP and kill the owner |
| 18:36.48 | caphuso | nite613_: and even if it were now, it might be totally different next week |
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| 18:37.00 | nite613_ | caphuso: fair enough |
| 18:37.26 | OleMoudi | abrotman, I meant to ensure my system isn't compromised |
| 18:37.30 | caphuso | and it'll probably get quite nasty after the sarge release, when a whole bunch of new stuff gets in |
| 18:37.31 | OleMoudi | reinstall ff ? |
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| 18:37.45 | abrotman | OleMoudi: wouldn't it be kind of late .. didn't you already let the new plugin install? |
| 18:38.06 | stew | nite613_: you understand that sid is not going to be the next testing, right? |
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| 18:38.14 | ericb_ | why am I able to apt-get install biff, while I can't apt-get install comsat? |
| 18:38.24 | ericb_ | when comsat is the server for biff |
| 18:38.31 | OleMoudi | so I should format my computer? what a solution, thats the reason I was asking. Maybe someone here has a better solution |
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| 18:38.56 | abrotman | OleMoudi: are you sure it wasn't a real plugin update? |
| 18:39.02 | caphuso | ericb_: because it's in the biff package |
| 18:39.08 | caphuso | duh |
| 18:39.18 | ericb_ | caphuso, how do I run comsat? |
| 18:39.21 | Marticus | how would one go about matching everything except for two words with regex? |
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| 18:39.38 | stew | ericb_: have you read /usr/share/doc/biff/* yet? |
| 18:39.47 | caphuso | ericb_: did you try "man comsat" yet? |
| 18:39.54 | ericb_ | yeah |
| 18:39.56 | nite613_ | stew: Actually, now that you mention it, I do remember reading that that isn't the way it works. I must have temproarily forgotten |
| 18:40.18 | caphuso | ericb_: and it doesn't explain it? |
| 18:40.19 | stew | nite613_: sid is always unstable, etch will be the next testing once sarge is released |
| 18:40.22 | ericb_ | I tried the man, but the the doc |
| 18:40.22 | Marticus | by two words, I mean two specific words, e.g., word1|word2 |
| 18:40.29 | abrotman | nite613_: either stick with testing .. or follow sarge and upgrade to etch later |
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| 18:41.09 | ericb_ | caphuso, the man is very brief |
| 18:41.25 | ericb__ | hi all |
| 18:41.27 | nite613_ | stew,abrotman: Thanks for the advice. Is there already an etch tree, or do I have to just track testing? |
| 18:41.32 | caphuso | ericb_: i'd expect it to say something about "see inetd" or such |
| 18:41.42 | uruboro | OleMoudi, if you have really sensitive things on your pc and you let some viral code run ONCE your pc and all its partitions are better considered compromised. Full reinstall is the only way to ensure viral code went away. Else you can keep the system knowing it might be compromised and use a linux live cd and an usb key for stuff like home banking |
| 18:41.55 | stew | Marticus: egrep -v "word1|word2" |
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| 18:42.04 | eflynn | hi all, |
| 18:42.26 | Marticus | stew, and without using shell :) |
| 18:42.28 | ericb_ | caphuso: no it doesn't |
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| 18:42.36 | stew | Marticus: what are you using? |
| 18:42.38 | Marticus | shell shortcuts rather |
| 18:42.39 | eflynn | looking at "dpkg -l", i notice there are packages that have rc next to them. what can i do with those? |
| 18:42.41 | abrotman | nite613_: no .. not yet .. not til after sarge's release |
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| 18:42.46 | nite613_ | okay, thanks again |
| 18:42.47 | abrotman | eflynn: ignore them or purge them |
| 18:42.48 | ericb_ | caphuso: Oh, it does |
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| 18:43.03 | eflynn | abrotman, ah okay i figured... how do i purge it? |
| 18:43.07 | abrotman | eflynn: man dpkg |
| 18:43.16 | Marticus | stew assume egrep does not exist, what is the real regexp |
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| 18:43.45 | Marticus | rather, egrep -v |
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| 18:44.23 | comfrey | hey all, i am looking to set up a new box with all of the packages on a previous box... |
| 18:44.36 | eflynn | abrotman, do you know about the -a option for purging? it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 18:44.45 | comfrey | so dpkg --get-selections > pkg.list |
| 18:44.47 | abrotman | eflynn: man dpkg :) |
| 18:44.57 | comfrey | so dpkg --set-selections < pkg.list |
| 18:44.58 | caphuso | comfrey: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 18:45.01 | eflynn | abrotman, i'm asking you, not the man page... |
| 18:45.11 | comfrey | thanks caphuso |
| 18:45.20 | comfrey | as always :) |
| 18:45.24 | stew | Marticus: word[^12]|wor[^d]|wo[^r]|w[^o]|[^w] |
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| 18:45.32 | abrotman | eflynn: what does the man page say about -a ? |
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| 18:46.03 | wurd | hi, i'm trying to install kde with "apt-get install kde*" and this is the error i get : |
| 18:46.13 | Marticus | stew bleh |
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| 18:46.22 | abrotman | eflynn: it does tell you right in the little section about it |
| 18:46.37 | eflynn | abrotman, i know that. But it doesn't work. That's why i asked |
| 18:46.38 | wurd | E: Package perl(GtkDefs::Signal) is a virtual package with multiple good providers. |
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| 18:46.48 | wurd | damn.. sorry about that.. |
| 18:46.55 | kombi | common sense question: if you backup /usr/local/mysql before upgrade, one should be able to completely roll back to the previos version, no? |
| 18:46.59 | Marticus | its okay debhelper fixed it |
| 18:47.02 | Marticus | heh |
| 18:47.02 | abrotman | eflynn: i just use -P .. and do them onebyone .. the reason it won't remove them with -a is because they aren't set to be purged |
| 18:47.10 | chealer | !win debhelper |
| 18:47.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, debhelper! You have won the US presidency! |
| 18:47.19 | abrotman | eflynn: make sense ? |
| 18:47.26 | eflynn | ah okay |
| 18:47.52 | abrotman | eflynn: so .. dpkg -P <pkgname> .. but you realize you're just basically removing conf files right ? |
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| 18:48.06 | eflynn | abrotman, Yeah |
| 18:48.08 | kombi | anyone? |
| 18:48.09 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:48.22 | abrotman | kombi: if your god loves you .. yes |
| 18:48.34 | kombi | lol.. hope he does.. |
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| 18:48.45 | tyranix | Where can I find dpkg's archives? I tried /msg dpkg blootbot and the URL it gave is dead: http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot |
| 18:48.47 | eflynn | abrotman, the man page gives the impression that all packages that can be purged, will be purged using -a |
| 18:48.49 | Supaplex | I have libmime-perl partialy installed, and libmime-tools-perl installed. BTS suggested that libmime-perl be renamed to libmime-tools-perl, so it appears they are the same thing. dpkg says libmime-perl is to install w/no errors, but I'm unable to isntall or uninstall anything else now. What can I do to resolve this hangup? |
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| 18:48.54 | abrotman | eflynn: no it doesn't |
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| 18:49.06 | abrotman | eflynn: not to me anyways .. but maybe you don't understand that status file ? |
| 18:49.12 | stew | kombi: you should back up wherever you db files actually are if they are not in /usr/local/mysql |
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| 18:49.25 | kombi | stew: right you are.. |
| 18:49.30 | stew | !your factoids |
| 18:49.30 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
| 18:49.30 | j_k | eflynn: the short solution is to run aptitude, go to 'Not currently installed packages' and press '_'. |
| 18:49.39 | stew | tyranix: ^^^ |
| 18:49.44 | tyranix | stew: thanks! |
| 18:49.46 | chealer | wurd: so...you don't have perl installed :? |
| 18:49.49 | eflynn | j_k, really? ah okay |
| 18:50.00 | abrotman | eflynn: dpkg -P .. the one true way :) |
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| 18:50.20 | j_k | :-) |
| 18:50.25 | abrotman | or xargs and awk :) |
| 18:50.35 | eflynn | yeah, sure, haha |
| 18:51.08 | kerneld | What happens with people that upgrade from woody to sarge that have packages in woody that are no longer in the archive wrt security? EG: libnss-pgsql? The problem I see is that there is no warning that the package no longer exists, and could potentially have scurity problems that go unnoticed even if you check debian security advisories diligently |
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| 18:51.31 | abrotman | dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P .. i think |
| 18:51.32 | dpkg | xargs dpkg -P .. i think |
| 18:51.40 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 18:51.40 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 18:52.05 | j_k | abrotman: except with long package names which get trucated.. |
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| 18:52.07 | w0lson | theres something wrong with that debain cd. I did a complete install of FreeBSD 4.11 and it installs fine |
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| 18:52.15 | w0lson | off a bootable cd |
| 18:52.17 | j_k | abrotman: i guess one would have to use --get-selections |
| 18:52.18 | abrotman | j_k: well jeez .. export your columns first :) |
| 18:52.35 | w0lson | abrotman: any ideas where I can get the floppy install from? |
| 18:52.47 | abrotman | w0lson: if you're really having serious issues .. #debian-boot does exist .. just make sure you let them know about if you're using a daily or RC3 |
| 18:52.52 | abrotman | w0lson: yep . moment .. i'll get URL |
| 18:52.58 | w0lson | thanks! |
| 18:53.05 | abrotman | w0lson: or you can try the USB installer |
| 18:53.21 | w0lson | I dont have a USB Networking cable :-( |
| 18:53.25 | abrotman | w0lson: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc3/images/floppy/ |
| 18:53.31 | abrotman | w0lson: no .. USB is for USB memory stick |
| 18:53.36 | w0lson | ah |
| 18:53.46 | w0lson | dont have any usb other than a digit cam :_( |
| 18:53.48 | abrotman | w0lson: you will need all four i'd say .. just to make sure |
| 18:53.52 | w0lson | thanks for the link, ill try that |
| 18:53.54 | abrotman | w0lson: sadly .. i think that would work :) |
| 18:53.56 | eflynn | dpkg: Die |
| 18:53.57 | dpkg | I'll murder you eflynn! Slice you into bitsa and feed you to my children! |
| 18:54.16 | w0lson | so how do I make these floppies? |
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| 18:54.25 | uruboro | w0lson, how many MB of memory does your cam have? |
| 18:54.26 | abrotman | w0lson: dd or rawrite |
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| 18:54.43 | w0lson | uruboro: 256MB |
| 18:54.49 | stew | dpkg: sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 18:54.49 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 18:54.51 | abrotman | w0lson: another option is netboot with PXE etc |
| 18:54.58 | w0lson | abrotman: I hate to say the windows name in here but ...... |
| 18:55.00 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 18:55.03 | stew | yay |
| 18:55.05 | abrotman | w0lson: use rawrite |
| 18:55.08 | Emy | ñ tm ninguem do brasil???????????? |
| 18:55.11 | abrotman | !br |
| 18:55.11 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:55.20 | Emy | aaaaaaaaaa |
| 18:55.36 | ericb_ | If I run 'whereis comsat |
| 18:55.52 | caphuso | ericb_: dpkg -L biff |
| 18:55.57 | abrotman | w0lson: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/ .. if you need rawrite |
| 18:56.03 | w0lson | thanks |
| 18:56.08 | w0lson | was just gonna say ..... |
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| 18:56.28 | ericb_ | If I run 'whereis comsat' I get only the following /usr/share/man/man8/comsat.8.gz |
| 18:56.29 | abrotman | w0lson: i'm a mind reader on tuesdays and saturdays .. sundays .. it's all fuzzy |
| 18:56.31 | uruboro | w0lson, maybe you can install from there, thanks to usb_storage kernel module the cam is seen as a scsi disk under linux... |
| 18:56.33 | w0lson | :-) |
| 18:56.37 | ys76 | dpkg, find biff |
| 18:56.38 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'biff' (6): biff ;; gnubiff ;; ixbiff ;; kbiff ;; wmbiff ;; xlbiff. |
| 18:56.44 | caphuso | ericb_: that's because the executable isn't called "comsat" |
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| 18:56.49 | kombi | huh, dbfiles backed up, /usr/local/mysql copied, even /usr/local/bin copied, I shall dare it now with make install... |
| 18:56.50 | w0lson | answer? |
| 18:56.52 | w0lson | hehehe |
| 18:57.00 | abrotman | answer? |
| 18:57.03 | stew | ericb_: apt-cache show biff |
| 18:57.04 | w0lson | which is which disk? |
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| 18:57.17 | w0lson | I ahve 4 .img files and am making floppies now |
| 18:57.20 | caphuso | ericb_: which leads directly to your personal lesson of the day: guessing things doesn't work, checking facts does |
| 18:57.28 | abrotman | w0lson: huh? .. you start with boot, then root, .. then the other two are driver disks .. and you should pray your NIC is supported |
| 18:57.34 | w0lson | ericb: you from NE? |
| 18:57.38 | w0lson | ah |
| 18:57.43 | shadfc | how can i run multiple instances of a program (postfix) with start-stop-daemon? |
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| 18:58.03 | w0lson | I have a Linksys LNE100TX |
| 18:58.05 | w0lson | supported? |
| 18:58.17 | abrotman | w0lson: you live near my mom! |
| 18:58.24 | w0lson | I do? |
| 18:58.26 | abrotman | w0lson: afaik .. |
| 18:58.33 | ericb_ | w0lson: pardon? |
| 18:58.43 | abrotman | w0lson: based on your IP .. saco! .. my mom lives in ME :) .. i don't know of any other saco |
| 18:58.44 | w0lson | ericb_: You live in NE? |
| 18:59.14 | w0lson | just wondering if you worked for a company called GWI who used to use that nick ericb |
| 18:59.27 | ericb_ | w0lson: Nope |
| 18:59.27 | stew | did your mc nominate you for president? |
| 18:59.40 | w0lson | just wondering |
| 18:59.45 | w0lson | brb, making floppies |
| 18:59.47 | abrotman | w0lson: a different saco ? |
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| 18:59.58 | ericb_ | caphuso, bottom line is that if I installed biff and I run '$biff y' is comsat running then |
| 19:00.07 | w0lson | aborotman: I got saco once a week |
| 19:00.14 | abrotman | w0lson: tor ? |
| 19:00.18 | w0lson | like 20-30 mins away from where I live |
| 19:00.25 | w0lson | tor? |
| 19:00.31 | technos | Yaay for piece of shit misseating connectors. |
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| 19:00.32 | abrotman | w0lson: ah .. ok .. my mom lives up along route 1 in knox county |
| 19:00.40 | abrotman | i think it's knox county |
| 19:00.45 | w00t | imm from fort pierce |
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| 19:00.55 | abrotman | that's not in Maine |
| 19:00.57 | caphuso | ericb_: it's running when it's running. if you run "biff y" or not doesn't have to do anything with it |
| 19:01.18 | ericb_ | so what name is comsat running under? |
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| 19:01.34 | w00t | technos: im from fort pierce |
| 19:01.42 | ericb_ | caphuso, how do I know if its running? |
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| 19:02.27 | MidgetWork | hey guys, how do I mount a network share (that is on a windows box) so I can access the files directly through programs' "Open File" dialog? Currently I can access the share through GNOME's file browser (smb://Blah) but not any other way. |
| 19:02.29 | DaFresh | hi all, anyone know where the dns cache server bind store dns request ? |
| 19:02.29 | w0lson | is a Linksys LNE100TX supported in Debian? |
| 19:02.33 | thefly | do you know any app working out of the box (skype style) to do video conferences? |
| 19:02.34 | ericb_ | stew, I guess you are suggesting I try something else like coolmail |
| 19:02.46 | abrotman | w0lson: it should be |
| 19:02.52 | w0lson | killer |
| 19:02.53 | caphuso | ericb_: "biff y; echo $?" |
| 19:02.59 | abrotman | i am not |
| 19:03.01 | abrotman | and you can't prove it |
| 19:03.03 | caphuso | ericb_: if it says 0, then it's running |
| 19:03.09 | technos | MidgetWork: Mount it using smbfs. It will then appear as a local drive, mounted somewhere. |
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| 19:03.31 | w0lson | I guess the floppies need to be empty first :-P |
| 19:03.31 | ericb_ | caphuso, wow, how do you know that, man you rule |
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| 19:03.47 | w0lson | and BSD-turned-Debain users around? |
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| 19:04.18 | ericb_ | caphuso, so how do I start and stop comsat |
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| 19:04.27 | caphuso | ericb_: by configuring inetd |
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| 19:04.48 | technos | MidgetWork: Say you want to mount it all the time. Add a line in /etc fstab that reads "\\server\share /mnt/point smbfs ro,user 0 0" |
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| 19:04.52 | abrotman | w0lson: i don't empty them |
| 19:05.00 | ericb_ | caphuso, thats a little too heafty it seems |
| 19:05.04 | ghais | hi guys if i have 2 emacs in the background how can i bring one of them to the fg |
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| 19:05.07 | stew | ericb_: no, i was just saying to look at the package's long description it seems to say how to enable it |
| 19:05.19 | stew | ericb_: did you read /usr/share/doc/biff/* yet? |
| 19:05.24 | kerneld | ghais: jobs, then fg 1 or fg 2 |
| 19:05.29 | XBMX_[hax] | does any one have nessus |
| 19:05.30 | kerneld | etc |
| 19:05.54 | ghais | kerneld: cool thanks |
| 19:05.56 | ericb_ | stew, and don't have anything to read there |
| 19:06.14 | yang | Is there a solution for my Nvidia graphic card. My X keep on freezing ! |
| 19:06.27 | XBMX_[hax] | is there is any one from florida in here? |
| 19:06.31 | ericb_ | caphuso, i got zero so its running then |
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| 19:06.36 | abrotman | XBMX_[hax]: no |
| 19:06.38 | chealer | yang: which drivers do you use, NVIDIA'S? |
| 19:06.42 | shevek | I have built a debian package following the description on http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php?n=English.PackagingTutorial. Now upstream has changed and I want to update it. How do I do that? |
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| 19:06.58 | XBMX_[hax] | damn |
| 19:06.59 | ericb_ | I got coolmail now too |
| 19:07.11 | stew | ericb_: did you read the long pacakges description? |
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| 19:07.17 | ericb_ | thanks for you help, and all the wicked commands |
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| 19:07.25 | XBMX_[hax] | im looking for some thinking better than comcast and DSL? |
| 19:07.36 | ericb_ | stew, No, how? |
| 19:07.51 | shevek | ericb_: apt-cache show packagename |
| 19:07.57 | technos | XBMX_[hax]: More bandwidth? Better QoS? |
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| 19:08.16 | yang | chealer: yes I use nvidia in xfree86config |
| 19:08.31 | XBMX_[hax] | im going to buld a OC3 |
| 19:08.39 | yang | chealer: i get a startup screen "nvidia" before X start |
| 19:08.49 | MidgetWork | thanks technos |
| 19:09.02 | ericb_ | stew & shevek, I see thats awesome, thx |
| 19:09.05 | technos | XBMX_[hax]: There is no "build". You call the phone company, they drop fiber, they sell you the equipment. Done. |
| 19:09.16 | chealer | yang: xfree86config? or you sure you want to use that and not dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 19:09.22 | technos | MidgetWork: No biggie. If you have trouble, poke me. |
| 19:09.23 | ericb_ | I am writing all this down, so I won't bother people twice |
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| 19:09.43 | yang | yes dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:09.46 | technos | ericb_: Log IRC. Then you can grep it. :) |
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| 19:09.53 | stew | ericb_: actually now that i'm looking, /usr/share/doc/biff has the same info which i told you to read twice now... |
| 19:09.53 | giupy | hi all |
| 19:09.57 | XBMX_[hax] | technos: not really |
| 19:09.58 | yang | chealer: but drivers seems to be broken |
| 19:10.03 | chealer | yang: so you use NVIDIA's drivers, ask #nvidia |
| 19:10.24 | giupy | is it possible to create an installation cd of debian from an installed sarge ? |
| 19:10.38 | MidgetWork | technos: how can I refresh fstab to get that line to activate immediately (and see if it worked)? |
| 19:10.42 | XBMX_[hax] | technos: how much you pay for comcast /m? |
| 19:10.45 | ericb_ | stew, This is all I have there, ChangeLog.gz changelog.Debian.gz changelog.gz copyright |
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| 19:11.22 | stew | ericb_: and README.Debian? |
| 19:11.32 | ericb__ | hi all |
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| 19:11.37 | jla | MidgetWork mount -a ? |
| 19:11.39 | ericb__ | no I'm not ericb_ |
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| 19:11.49 | XBMX_[hax] | i have debian on my laptop and windows on my HP desktop |
| 19:12.04 | ericb__ | is there any way to get hdiutil on debian ?? apt-cache search hdiutil don't return a row ?? I use sarge |
| 19:12.04 | technos | XBMX_[hax]: Me? I think a whopping $30/mo at the moment. The reliability is fine, the bandwidth adequate, the ping time low enough. My onlt other options at this latitude were PtP wireless, with four times the latency and only five times the bandwidth. |
| 19:12.06 | chealer | hey wurd, where are you from? |
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| 19:12.08 | abrotman | how about one of you changes your nick ? |
| 19:12.23 | ericb_ | stew, I don't have it |
| 19:12.37 | technos | MidgetWork: -a, or mount /mount/point |
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| 19:12.42 | wurd | E: Package perl(GtkDefs::Signal) is a virtual package with multiple good providers. |
| 19:12.49 | ericb__ | cool |
| 19:12.51 | wurd | thats the error i get after doing "apt-get install kde*" |
| 19:12.53 | chealer | wurd: so...you don't have perl installed :? |
| 19:12.57 | wurd | chealer, yes i do |
| 19:13.01 | wurd | perl is already the newest version. |
| 19:13.04 | ericb_ | ericb_ is my registered name... ;) |
| 19:13.06 | MidgetWork | jla/technos: thanks. now I just have to get it to not ask me for a password :0) |
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| 19:13.11 | XBMX_[hax] | technos: ddaaammmnn i have to pay 45.00$ for this crap |
| 19:13.22 | mikeKJL | its my user name on my system |
| 19:13.28 | mikeKJL | but just ericb |
| 19:13.29 | chealer | wurd: what's your release? |
| 19:13.45 | wurd | fc3 |
| 19:13.51 | abrotman | wrong channel! |
| 19:13.56 | wurd | lol |
| 19:13.57 | technos | XBMX_[hax]: Eh. Depends market to market. If I were in upstate CT, I'd be paying $50/mo. In TN, it's like $24 most places. |
| 19:13.58 | chealer | wurd: d-i rc3? |
| 19:14.00 | wurd | but i'm on a vserver |
| 19:14.09 | abrotman | rc3 or fc3 ? |
| 19:14.13 | abrotman | fc3 is #fedora |
| 19:14.13 | krystalino | wich software can i use to connect to MSN ? |
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| 19:14.22 | abrotman | gaim i think |
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| 19:14.23 | wurd | yeah but im using apt-get... oh well |
| 19:14.25 | ignatz | kryp71k try amsn |
| 19:14.32 | simonrvn | wurd: yeh, so? |
| 19:14.32 | ignatz | err krystalino even |
| 19:14.39 | wurd | #fedora will tell me to go to #debian cause im not using yum.. |
| 19:14.39 | wurd | . |
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| 19:14.42 | mikeKJL | can someone send me mail please, who is willing? |
| 19:14.44 | slushpupie | anyone here use securID cards with a debian setup? |
| 19:14.47 | krystalino | abrotman, with webcam |
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| 19:14.53 | wurd | oh well, thanks anyway ;p |
| 19:14.56 | simonrvn | well they're stupid then if that's true |
| 19:14.56 | krystalino | ignatz, with a webcam |
| 19:14.56 | abrotman | krystalino: no clue then |
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| 19:15.11 | giupy | i want to install debian on a notebook pc with raid controller ( 2 disks of 80gb) with only cdrom and without dvdrom, i have only dvd iso of sarge and i don't have adsl, what can i do? (i have another pc where i can install sarge now...) 2 pcs have eth and boot from lan... |
| 19:15.33 | XBMX_[hax] | i have debian 3.1 testing i think its really good i install over 3 floppys |
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| 19:15.38 | abrotman | you have a notebook with two HDDs and no DVD .. you got ripped off |
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| 19:16.03 | w0lson | where is that url for rawrite? |
| 19:16.03 | giupy | abrotman dvd is broken i'm waiting for it, now i have an external cdrom :) |
| 19:16.10 | wurd | are you sure you cant help me? this is a apt-get issue i believe. not a fc3 one |
| 19:16.11 | technos | abrotman: I know folks that would kill for that. |
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| 19:16.17 | shevek | w0lson: www.google.com ;-) |
| 19:16.19 | technos | giupy: Thinkpad? |
| 19:16.21 | chealer | wurd: this is a debian support channel |
| 19:16.24 | abrotman | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/ |
| 19:16.24 | simonrvn | wurd: #fedora |
| 19:16.24 | mikeKJL | notebooks have raid controllers, I thought that was only in servers |
| 19:16.29 | giupy | ecs g900 |
| 19:16.31 | whistler | anyone have any idea why my locale settings keep getting over written? |
| 19:16.34 | abrotman | wurd: they still packaged it |
| 19:16.41 | whistler | apt-get is in german |
| 19:16.41 | wurd | i know this is a debian support channel.. but you people know about apt-get |
| 19:16.45 | technos | giupy: Wow, even better. They're supported, aren't they? |
| 19:16.55 | whistler | while the rest of my system is mostly english |
| 19:16.56 | chealer | wurd: we only know about working apt-get |
| 19:17.02 | XBMX_[hax] | i hate ssh damn it |
| 19:17.04 | wurd | #fedora wont let me speak |
| 19:17.05 | bozomar | whistler: Do you use gdm or kdm |
| 19:17.09 | whistler | is there somewhere were i can set my locales for everythinjg, and keep it that way |
| 19:17.10 | simonrvn | wurd: go before we call the ops on you for being a PITA. your problem |
| 19:17.11 | abrotman | wurd: seriously .. go to #fedora .. if they won't help .. either use yum .. or install debian .. i advocate the latter |
| 19:17.14 | whistler | yes, kdm |
| 19:17.18 | giupy | technos ?? |
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| 19:17.25 | abrotman | wurd: because you're not registered |
| 19:17.26 | whistler | i changed it in control center to default (C) |
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| 19:17.32 | wurd | whats a pita simonrvn |
| 19:17.34 | bozomar | whistler: So look at your kdm conf |
| 19:17.44 | simonrvn | @pita |
| 19:17.46 | ravenbird | well, pita is pain in the ass, or what's usually for supper :) |
| 19:17.46 | abrotman | wurd: your distro .. your choice .. don't bitch at us |
| 19:17.53 | technos | giupy: Dual IDE on one controller, factory supported? |
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| 19:18.19 | wurd | abrotman i'm NOT bitching. and the problem i'm experiencing is not a fc3 one. it's about apt-get. |
| 19:18.20 | giupy | technos dunno i think yes someone has just installed debian on ecs g900 |
| 19:18.26 | XBMX_[hax] | i want to go to CA alot of computer pro is from there |
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| 19:18.30 | wurd | what if i lied to you and said i was using debian ? |
| 19:18.39 | abrotman | wurd: WHICH THEY PACKAGED FOR YOU .. DEBIAN DID NOT |
| 19:18.40 | simonrvn | wurd: apt-get installed on a fedora box. go away |
| 19:18.50 | chealer | wurd: nice try |
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| 19:18.55 | stew | wurd: seems like the problem is with the apt repository / pacakge maintainers, contact them |
| 19:19.00 | wurd | lol you people are harsh |
| 19:19.06 | abrotman | wurd: they could have patched the living shit out of it .. we have no idea .. it's a #fedora question ..register your nick .. ask them |
| 19:19.07 | mikeKJL | yeah, goto to work for two hr drive, then drive two hr drive home in CA |
| 19:19.07 | onre | "lol" you are clueless |
| 19:19.08 | wurd | is there some kind of war between linux distros? |
| 19:19.40 | dondelelcaro | wurd: no, we just don't support other distributions. |
| 19:19.40 | Ronin | wurd: no but why should be support others? |
| 19:19.40 | wurd | what's a pita ? |
| 19:19.40 | abrotman | wurd: we're sending you to the best place to ask your question .. this is obviously not it |
| 19:19.49 | Ronin | wurd: pain in the ass usually |
| 19:19.58 | kerneld | wurd: Would you take your broken GMC to the Audi shop and ask them whats wrong with it? |
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| 19:20.18 | abrotman | kerneld: only if the GMC shop was 500 miles away :) |
| 19:20.20 | technos | kerneld: I used to take my broken Opel to the Buick dealer. |
| 19:20.23 | zinx | kerneld: he'd probably tell them "but i came when the GMC shop was closed..." |
| 19:20.25 | devilx | hi, can I make dpkg configure a package without caring about dependencies? |
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| 19:20.37 | abrotman | yes .. but it's a super bad idea |
| 19:20.40 | stew | devilx: why would you want to? |
| 19:20.44 | XBMX_[hax] | i install limewire mplayer real player java nessus john airsnort every thinking im 99.8% updated |
| 19:20.45 | dondelelcaro | if you pay us as much per hour to support your distribution as you do your mechanic, we'll support it too... |
| 19:20.47 | mikeKJL | technos, did he do a good job? |
| 19:20.54 | whistler | where is my kde conf |
| 19:21.17 | chealer | whistler: try asking #debian-kde |
| 19:21.17 | technos | mikeKJL: Very. New rear trans seal, reset my Zenith carbs, got out for under $400. |
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| 19:21.35 | giupy | is boot from eth useful for my problem ? |
| 19:21.38 | whistler | well, i dont think that its a kde problen |
| 19:21.40 | mikeKJL | technos, would you take your gmc to opel? |
| 19:21.45 | ej__ | which C compiler I need to install for compiling kkbswitch? |
| 19:21.47 | slashzul | how do I block all ports but port 80 using iptables |
| 19:21.47 | devilx | stew, I have all dependencies needed. The problem is that the packages were crappy and fucked up my whole dpkg ... or something like that. However, now I need to install a package but it can't be installed because it tells me that I do not have the deps (but I have them). Now I just want to install it without to take care of deps |
| 19:21.53 | whistler | its got to be startup script thats making my system go german |
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| 19:21.59 | slashzul | is there an iptables irc group? |
| 19:22.10 | abrotman | the idiocy!! |
| 19:22.11 | stew | devilx: which pacakges are broken? have you checked the BTS? |
| 19:22.12 | technos | giupy: Probably not. Booting anything that isn't midrange or big iron is kuudgy to boot off the net. |
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| 19:22.15 | dondelelcaro | devilx: you don't want to do that. Fix the dependencies first. |
| 19:22.18 | abrotman | slashzul: #iptables oddly enough |
| 19:22.18 | bozomar | whistler: What does locale say? |
| 19:22.22 | whistler | even before KDE starts, in the console, its german mapped |
| 19:22.28 | whistler | well] |
| 19:22.34 | devilx | stew, unofficial stuff |
| 19:22.35 | whistler | locales = en/us |
| 19:22.50 | whistler | ie when i type locales at the command line, its set right |
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| 19:22.54 | jla | devilx read about force, but don't expect it to work out |
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| 19:23.09 | jla | devilx man dpkg |
| 19:23.14 | XBMX_[hax] | i got a paper from comcast like this i have to start paying us $46.95 thats fuck up |
| 19:23.15 | devilx | dondelelcaro, I have the dependencies on my computer, I installed them from binaries. I cannot install the dependencies from debs because the debs are also fucked up |
| 19:23.23 | devilx | jla, ok, thanks |
| 19:23.25 | technos | mikeKJL: Yes. If I were stuck in France. They use all the same shit when it boils down to it. GM trannies, foreign carbs/FI, foreign rear end, GM electronics.. Well, in the case of my Opel. |
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| 19:23.39 | dondelelcaro | devilx: no, they're generally not. Paste the full and complete output from your dpkg run into #flood or using the paster bot. |
| 19:23.42 | bozomar | whistler: I know gdm sets it's own locale, i think kdm too |
| 19:23.54 | devilx | dondelelcaro, on moment please |
| 19:24.01 | whistler | ya, some stuff is in english, like firefox, and xchat |
| 19:24.02 | giupy | is boot from eth useful for my problem ? |
| 19:24.02 | technos | XBMX_[hax]: Call and complain. They can (and will) reduce it to whatever the "special" rate is for a few months. |
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| 19:24.08 | whistler | but when i open and xterm, its german |
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| 19:24.10 | giupy | oops |
| 19:24.13 | jla | devilx I'd take that offer. Full disclaimers on using the force option. |
| 19:24.14 | giupy | sorry |
| 19:24.29 | XBMX_[hax] | technos: ok i try |
| 19:24.31 | giupy | and for my first question? is it possible to create an installation cd from an installed sarge |
| 19:24.35 | mikeKJL | allright, would you ask a honda technician and ask why you are having so much trouble with you GM cars |
| 19:24.41 | whistler | and so is all my error messages, but i cant figure out how to get everything to change to english |
| 19:24.44 | bozomar | whistler: So your problem is exactly with kde or kdm |
| 19:24.48 | mikeKJL | technos, above |
| 19:24.52 | chealer | whistler: you'Ve been able to select C language in kcontrol? |
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| 19:25.01 | kerneld | devilx: There is a package that creates a dummy package you can install to satify dependencies |
| 19:25.04 | whistler | its not a limited to kde or gnome |
| 19:25.14 | devilx | dondelelcaro, http://rafb.net/paste/results/DbLfX350.html |
| 19:25.16 | whistler | if i exit kde/gnome and am at the console, everything is still mapped german |
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| 19:25.21 | dondelelcaro | kerneld: suggesting that people use that package is not a good idea. |
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| 19:25.25 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 19:25.26 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 19:25.31 | dondelelcaro | kerneld: unless you're willing to support them if things break. |
| 19:25.36 | abrotman | if? |
| 19:25.41 | thefly | do you know any app working out of the box (skype style) to do video conferences? |
| 19:25.45 | technos | mikeKJL: No. But asking a Honds engineer is like asking a MCSE why my Netware install is barfing. GM and Opel have a relationship centered around incest, as do all Linux distributions. :) |
| 19:25.47 | XBMX_[hax] | technos: with $46.95 i can buy me a wire less or a CPU |
| 19:25.58 | streuner_ | thefly: try gnomemeeting |
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| 19:26.07 | bozomar | whistler: Did you try dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 19:26.10 | abrotman | thefly: gnomemeeting .. maybe |
| 19:26.11 | mikeKJL | Man! when I run spell check in Abiword it crashed at the end, but works fine besides that |
| 19:26.12 | whistler | aye |
| 19:26.16 | thefly | streuner_: last time i checked it it wasn't really nat friendly |
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| 19:26.27 | kerneld | dondelelcaro: Thats why I didn't say its name :P |
| 19:26.27 | whistler | i also edited /etc/sysconfig/il18 |
| 19:26.34 | whistler | but it gets overwritten when i reboot |
| 19:26.50 | FlopsyPete | does anyone know where Synaptic save's its user preferences. I was expecting a ~/.synaptic directory |
| 19:26.53 | kerneld | dondelelcaro: Its better than editing the available file |
| 19:26.55 | mikeKJL | technos, honda are wicked cars, gm suck and swallows all the gas |
| 19:26.58 | technos | XBMX_[hax]: The problem is there is nothing in equivalent price range of equivalent quality. Sure, you can switch to DSL and get their special rate for six months, but you have to deal with the month long install, the reconfiguration, etc. |
| 19:26.58 | devilx | dondelelcaro, any idea? |
| 19:27.00 | dondelelcaro | devilx: install a different theme to start with, then fix the config script for bootsplash-theme-newlinux |
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| 19:27.30 | abrotman | technos: actually.. there is FIOS in my area :) |
| 19:27.41 | XBMX_[hax] | technos: yeah maybe |
| 19:27.42 | mikeKJL | technos, as far as your incest, gross, your sick |
| 19:27.45 | devilx | dondelelcaro, installed a different theme, now I have 3 errors packages. And how to fix the newlinux theme? |
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| 19:28.03 | dondelelcaro | devilx: uh, you only have one package that has an error, and the error is that the theme isn't configuring. |
| 19:28.04 | technos | mikeKJL: I don't like Honda, frankly. Too cushy with not enough power. Gimme a four-banger weighing in at 1600 or a bit of Detroit Iron at three tons and 360hp. |
| 19:28.04 | XBMX_[hax] | technos: where i live DSL dont suport |
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| 19:28.17 | abrotman | technos: Elise? |
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| 19:28.37 | devilx | dondelelcaro, I mean: Errors were encountered while processing: bootsplash-theme-newlinux, bootsplash-theme-ccux, bootsplash |
| 19:28.45 | XBMX_[hax] | people guess what i have? |
| 19:28.52 | chealer | FlopsyPete: where ~ is /root, right? |
| 19:28.54 | mikeKJL | technos, HONDA rule for performance vs gas milleage |
| 19:29.08 | dondelelcaro | devilx: anyway, unpack the .deb, add a set -x; to the top of the config, and rerun it. |
| 19:29.13 | kerneld | 1990 accord going on strong |
| 19:29.19 | technos | abrotman: Elise would do. pre 1975 Opel, MG, Triumph or any of the 60's 280 series are more my thing though. |
| 19:29.22 | XBMX_[hax] | people guess what i have??? |
| 19:29.23 | FlopsyPete | chealer: ahh yeah, I was looking in my home, not roots. thanks |
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| 19:29.30 | XBMX_[hax] | Complete Idiot's Guide to Linux |
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| 19:29.36 | mikeKJL | technos, I drive to downtown and back in gm-$15, honda-$4 . Huge difference! |
| 19:29.41 | devilx | dondelelcaro, errr ? |
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| 19:29.50 | abrotman | what GM do you drive? .. Surburban? |
| 19:30.09 | darkcmd | would you guys say Linux is Debian's focus and always will be for the most part? |
| 19:30.18 | abrotman | darkcmd: same as last night .. yes |
| 19:30.30 | abrotman | darkcmd: are you going to ask all the same questions again ?> |
| 19:30.42 | whistler | im going to uninstall locales |
| 19:30.44 | technos | mikeKJL: I drive a 1972 Ford F150 Ranger with a 460V8 and Holley 750. I get 8/mpg. But man, even traffic is fun. |
| 19:30.45 | XBMX_[hax] | mikekjl: im geting an honda S2000 its hot |
| 19:30.45 | whistler | and reinstall them i guess |
| 19:30.46 | darkcmd | ok.. that was all I wanted to ask... I'm done :D |
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| 19:30.52 | darkcmd | you have a good memory abrotman :) |
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| 19:30.54 | mikeKJL | darkcmd, do you understand the gpl, i can't understand this licensing and patent laws stuff |
| 19:31.03 | abrotman | darkcmd: yeah .. my parents are surprised too |
| 19:31.08 | devilx | dondelelcaro, the problem is that I cannot even remove them anymore. |
| 19:31.13 | bozomar | abrotman: :) |
| 19:31.13 | dkakon | hello world |
| 19:31.16 | darkcmd | mikeKJL, to a certain extent, yeah |
| 19:31.22 | abrotman | darkcmd: for the foreseeable future .. i'd say Debian GNU/Linux is the focus |
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| 19:31.39 | XBMX_[hax] | do any one im here buy mp3s? |
| 19:31.43 | XBMX_[hax] | in |
| 19:31.44 | sylvain_ | Hi |
| 19:31.48 | mikeKJL | technos, traffic fun? Are the ear plugs fun too? |
| 19:31.52 | abrotman | XBMX_[hax]: did i miss your debian question ? |
| 19:31.52 | dondelelcaro | devilx: you won't be able to remove them until you've configured them properly. |
| 19:31.54 | sylvain_ | could someone help me with this error : Kernel Panic: Attempt to free lock with active wait queue |
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| 19:32.22 | dondelelcaro | devilx: and what is failing is the following: db_register shared/bootsplash-theme bootsplash-theme-newlinux |
| 19:32.24 | XBMX_[hax] | abrotman: i guess i did so ssshh |
| 19:32.34 | technos | mikeKJL: I don't want to look at a tach in a vehicle like that. I want to *hear* the tach. |
| 19:33.06 | mikeKJL | technos, Even I was a fan of audi for while, but they suck too, they last five years, then every know and switch get lose - rediculous. And its so expensive for such shity craftsmanship. Honda does the same but after twice as long -ten years |
| 19:33.10 | darkcmd | debian uses alsa right? |
| 19:33.12 | technos | mikeKJL: If it were say a 1975 Ford LTD, I would expect to see the tach and feel nothing. And I would love that too |
| 19:33.24 | stew | darkcmd: it can |
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| 19:33.27 | vezult | darkcmd: it can. |
| 19:33.30 | mikeKJL | technos, what a tach? |
| 19:33.42 | darkcmd | ok, it uses OSS right now by default (sarge) |
| 19:33.50 | technos | mikeKJL: Tachometer. RPM gauge. |
| 19:34.00 | XBMX_[hax] | im a 16 years old kid i dont have that much money cuz the jobs i can get suck so i download every thinking for free |
| 19:34.00 | technos | mikeKJL: Indicates how fast the motor is turning. |
| 19:34.01 | abrotman | darkcmd: it can .. depends on the kernel installed for the default i guess |
| 19:34.11 | abrotman | XBMX_[hax]: this is not #warez |
| 19:34.12 | stew | !wikifaq darkcmd UseSoundCard |
| 19:34.13 | dpkg | darkcmd: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:34.23 | mikeKJL | technos, cool, tach!, I will remember that |
| 19:34.29 | sylvain_ | could someone help me with this error : Kernel Panic: Attempt to free lock with active wait queue |
| 19:34.34 | darkcmd | thanks stew and abrotman |
| 19:34.58 | technos | mikeKJL: I think most folks stopped using that about 1990, when tuners stopped using distributors and carbs. |
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| 19:35.09 | abrotman | technos: my 2000 jetta has one |
| 19:35.09 | ej__ | how do I start the "wizard" which let me choose debian mirrors for getting pacakges? |
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| 19:35.19 | abrotman | technos: oh . but it's a standard transmission :0 |
| 19:35.19 | devilx | dondelelcaro, ok, fixed the theme packages. But how to fix the bootsplash package itself? |
| 19:35.21 | sylvain_ | ej__: apt-setup |
| 19:35.35 | ej__ | could the turkey mirror be closed? |
| 19:35.38 | mikeKJL | technos, lots of new cars still have rpm guages |
| 19:35.39 | technos | abrotman: And I would not use it. But I respect the Jetta. I have driven a few, and they have not annoyed me aside from the stiff seats. |
| 19:35.56 | streuner_ | ej__: ping the mirror |
| 19:36.03 | dondelelcaro | devilx: ok, now look at the config script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash.config (or possibly in the .deb itself) add a set -x; to the top, and see exactly where it is failing. |
| 19:36.03 | technos | mikeKJL: No one uses "tach" anymore is all I meant. |
| 19:36.04 | XBMX_[hax] | do any one play CSs |
| 19:36.13 | abrotman | technos: i like my seats .. and i don't really look at the tach .. you're right about being able to hear it .. any driver worth his weight will know when to shift by the sound of the car |
| 19:36.16 | ej__ | but I don't remember the address.. |
| 19:36.29 | streuner_ | ej__: ftp.tr.debian.org |
| 19:36.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i think my fucking ibook is dying or dead. (= |
| 19:36.37 | abrotman | XBMX_[hax]: wrong channel |
| 19:36.41 | mikeKJL | technos, oh, thats what I thought you meant the I heard abou the 2000 jeta and got confused |
| 19:36.49 | LuPuZ | I need some help... my friend just started reconfigure his X server... and got this question: Please enter the video card's bus identifier. Should he put anything special or what? |
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| 19:36.53 | XBMX_[hax] | abrotman: why ssh? |
| 19:36.54 | technos | abrotman: Not stiff to you? I'be driven Miata with softer seats. |
| 19:37.01 | abrotman | LuPuZ: blank |
| 19:37.05 | LuPuZ | thx |
| 19:37.06 | ej__ | looks fine though I couldn't login |
| 19:37.08 | mikeKJL | LuPuz, just leave blank |
| 19:37.08 | darkcmd | man.. I love debian with gnome... the ultimate desktop OS imo |
| 19:37.09 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: bummer |
| 19:37.11 | devilx | dondelelcaro, it outputs a long shell script when I do that |
| 19:37.14 | darkcmd | it adds menu entries, I love it |
| 19:37.15 | abrotman | technos: i'm more comfortable sleeping on a floor than a couch .. maybe that's a clue :) |
| 19:37.20 | uruboro | this is a cool car to drive. http://www.spymac.com/gallery/show_photo.php?picid=342270 |
| 19:37.22 | dondelelcaro | devilx: yes, that's fine. Paste the output again. |
| 19:37.25 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. it might be the mainboard. |
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| 19:37.46 | devilx | dondelelcaro, http://rafb.net/paste/results/0KbSdX32.html |
| 19:38.04 | abrotman | technos: i've driven my car all over the country .. perfectly fine with the firmness of the seats |
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| 19:38.12 | technos | abrotman: So am I. But I will take the synthetic leather, horse hair, and springs of a 1970's Mercedes over the spartan stiffness of a 2000 Mustang anyday. |
| 19:38.18 | ej__ | I tried us and it works. the turkey mirror gives me shows me server closed the connection |
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| 19:38.20 | ej__ | how come? |
| 19:38.30 | XBMX_[hax] | why ssh?????????????????????? |
| 19:38.32 | abrotman | technos: why not use the spanish moss? |
| 19:38.35 | dondelelcaro | devilx: that's not the entire output. |
| 19:38.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell XBMX_[hax] about ep |
| 19:38.39 | streuner_ | ej__: badgers! |
| 19:39.17 | w0lson | now the floppies work but now it doesn't see my nic |
| 19:39.17 | devilx | dondelelcaro, oh... ok, here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/7nPYH939.html |
| 19:39.18 | streuner_ | ej__: try it again |
| 19:39.20 | ej__ | can u help me compiling kkbswitch? |
| 19:39.26 | w0lson | and I loeded the cd and net floppies too |
| 19:39.27 | XBMX_[hax] | im out you people dont help noting |
| 19:39.29 | mikeKJL | Man, I wish I was in California, seems like I would have a happy life in Cali |
| 19:39.38 | w0lson | have a nice day XBMX_[hax] |
| 19:39.47 | abrotman | w0lson: how's your install going ? |
| 19:39.48 | XBMX_[hax] | lol |
| 19:39.51 | w0lson | it isin't |
| 19:39.55 | abrotman | w0lson: why not ? |
| 19:39.58 | w0lson | the OS doesn't see the NIC now |
| 19:40.03 | abrotman | oh jeez ... |
| 19:40.08 | w0lson | don't tell me it doesn't work |
| 19:40.10 | w0lson | LOL |
| 19:40.18 | abrotman | did you give it the floppy with the NIC drivers? |
| 19:40.19 | ej__ | which C compiler is needed for compiling kkbswitch? |
| 19:40.20 | w0lson | I *KNOW* the NIC works |
| 19:40.23 | w0lson | yes I did |
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| 19:40.35 | abrotman | w0lson: do you know which module it uses ? |
| 19:40.38 | XBMX_[hax] | im going to buy Ninja supplies weapons swords and uniforms and knife you |
| 19:40.38 | w0lson | It's a Linksys LNE100TX card |
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| 19:40.42 | w0lson | no idea |
| 19:40.42 | streuner_ | ej__: what version of debian do you have installed? |
| 19:40.43 | dondelelcaro | devilx: ok, the configure worked, now add a set -x to the postinst script |
| 19:40.48 | tzafrir_home | my system clock goes bananas: every couple of seconds it goes some 70 minutes forward, and then back. Basically doesn't advance. This is manifested in /proc/uptime as well |
| 19:40.53 | ej__ | how do I check it? |
| 19:40.54 | abrotman | w0lson: you never checked with any other distro ? |
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| 19:41.02 | w0lson | it works with BSD :-) |
| 19:41.02 | ej__ | I know it's sarge |
| 19:41.09 | w0lson | and with Bill gates' OS LOL |
| 19:41.12 | w0lson | it is sarge |
| 19:41.13 | stew | !b-e ej__ |
| 19:41.14 | dpkg | ej__: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 19:41.17 | streuner_ | ej__: ok, just take the compiler which is default |
| 19:41.19 | tzafrir_home | Any idea what may cause this? |
| 19:41.34 | ej__ | how? |
| 19:41.44 | abrotman | w0lson: can you try to modprobe tulip ? |
| 19:41.46 | streuner_ | ej__: gcc -v |
| 19:41.53 | w0lson | hmmm |
| 19:41.55 | devilx | dondelelcaro, did, executed and got again a script as output. |
| 19:41.58 | kristiank | help sarge/nvidia : glgears gives : "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0;0"; ; but I followed the doc... can anybody help ? |
| 19:42.02 | w0lson | just type that anywhere? |
| 19:42.10 | uruboro | tzafrir, misconfigured /etc/adjtime maybe |
| 19:42.11 | dondelelcaro | devilx: yerp... that's what is supposed to happen. Let me see it again. |
| 19:42.25 | ej__ | u mean writing gcc -v? |
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| 19:42.33 | ej__ | or trying to apt-get install it? |
| 19:42.35 | abrotman | w0lson: in a terminal :) |
| 19:42.36 | w0lson | failed to load module |
| 19:42.38 | streuner_ | ej__: in a shell yes |
| 19:42.40 | tzafrir_home | uruboro, which program uses this? |
| 19:42.44 | devilx | dondelelcaro, http://rafb.net/paste/results/fhJKXp31.html |
| 19:42.45 | w0lson | yea sorry not used to this menu system yet |
| 19:42.47 | w0lson | failed to load module |
| 19:42.47 | abrotman | w0lson: hrm .. i wonder if the module isn't on those floppies |
| 19:43.04 | w0lson | It "looked" as though it was loading them |
| 19:43.05 | uruboro | i forgot tzafrir_home , let me check :) |
| 19:43.06 | abrotman | w0lson: have you asked in #debian-boot about either this or the CDROM issue ? |
| 19:43.10 | w0lson | no |
| 19:43.12 | XBMX_[hax] | see you all later |
| 19:43.17 | abrotman | ok .. bye |
| 19:43.20 | w0lson | have a nice day XBMX_[hax] |
| 19:43.21 | w0lson | :-) |
| 19:43.26 | ej__ | I got supported modules... |
| 19:43.42 | technos | abrotman: Spanish.... Moss? |
| 19:43.47 | dondelelcaro | devilx: and the last bit? |
| 19:43.52 | kristiank | can anybody help me for my nvidia/sarge problem ? |
| 19:43.57 | streuner_ | ej__: run 'apt-get install build-essential' as root in a shell |
| 19:43.58 | abrotman | technos: the old stuff for stuffing seats |
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| 19:44.04 | devilx | dondelelcaro, there is no last bit |
| 19:44.08 | devilx | dondelelcaro, that's the whole |
| 19:44.19 | abrotman | technos: very old :) |
| 19:44.20 | dondelelcaro | devilx: it looks like it's failing here: lilo; so uncomment the lilo run and try again. |
| 19:44.32 | dondelelcaro | (that indicates that your lilo.conf is screwed up, by the way) |
| 19:44.35 | ej__ | ok,it's installing. maybe i wrote it wrong last time |
| 19:44.50 | w0lson | i'm in there now asking away |
| 19:44.50 | kreg | in a dual boot system, could linux antivirus software remove viruses from mounted winxp drives? |
| 19:44.54 | w0lson | no other ideas, huh? |
| 19:44.55 | technos | abrotman: Oh. I won't critique Mercedes' use of horsehair. I bought a 1968 in 1996, parked since 1971, and the seats were still factory soft. :) |
| 19:44.59 | ej__ | after that I compile regularly or there's some more steps to do? |
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| 19:45.11 | uruboro | tzafrir_home try man 8 clock there are instructions |
| 19:45.22 | LuPuZ | Anyone know how to make my debian server cooperate with both my NIC's ? i have 2 connections and 2 ip's ... just don't know how to get it so they cooperate... so i can have use 2*10mbit :D |
| 19:45.24 | devilx | dondelelcaro, Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 19:45.24 | devilx | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 19:45.24 | devilx | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
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| 19:45.32 | devilx | dondelelcaro, that's all, this time. |
| 19:45.41 | abrotman | technos: that's always good |
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| 19:45.42 | tzafrir_home | uruboro, thanks, I'll have a look |
| 19:45.44 | chealer | kristiank: you checked the GLX X module? |
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| 19:46.18 | abrotman | w0lson: the CDROM thing is pretty odd in itself .. the floppy thing .. i thought it might work .. but then i just found out your NIC uses Tulip .. and that's a flaky piece of pie |
| 19:46.29 | abrotman | sad .. tulip used to be so good |
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| 19:47.37 | dondelelcaro | devilx: there you go. |
| 19:47.45 | kristiank | yesyes, glx is on |
| 19:47.58 | dondelelcaro | devilx: you'll need to rerun lilo to get the bootstrap working, and fix your lilo.conf too, most likely. |
| 19:48.10 | kristiank | and glcore and dri are OFF as the doc says to do. |
| 19:48.23 | kassita | hi folks. my sarge uses udev and i lack device files for my soundcard. the drivers are loaded ok, but i dont have /dev/dsp*... |
| 19:48.29 | ej__ | guys I got an error when I compiled kkbswitch,can u help? |
| 19:48.47 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 19:48.47 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:48.51 | abrotman | !b-e ej__ |
| 19:48.52 | dpkg | ej__: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 19:48.52 | abrotman | for starters |
| 19:48.57 | ej__ | I installed it |
| 19:48.58 | abrotman | just to make sure |
| 19:49.04 | abrotman | ok . then what is it missing ? |
| 19:49.07 | thefly | is mozilla composer in mozilla-browser? |
| 19:49.12 | abrotman | and why are you compiling it ? |
| 19:49.16 | devilx | dondelelcaro, ok, thank you a lot my friend! Now it works. The problem with lilo was, that there was no /boot/initrd.splash, I just created it using splash -s -f <conf> > /boot/initrd.splash |
| 19:49.19 | ej__ | but after compiling kkbswitch I got can't find X includes.what is it?? |
| 19:49.30 | abrotman | xlibs-dev |
| 19:49.34 | dondelelcaro | devilx: yeah, figures. |
| 19:49.37 | abrotman | most likely anyways |
| 19:49.51 | devilx | dondelelcaro, thanks again! bye :) |
| 19:49.54 | chealer | kristiank: anything wrong is the X startup log? |
| 19:49.54 | dondelelcaro | devilx: good that it's working, though... np. |
| 19:49.57 | ej__ | abrotman,did u mean I need xlibs-dev? |
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| 19:50.07 | abrotman | !tell ej__ about u |
| 19:50.09 | abrotman | ej__: yes |
| 19:50.33 | kristiank | mmm... I not an expert. Which file to check please ? |
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| 19:50.39 | w0lson | guess I am hanging up on Debian |
| 19:50.48 | abrotman | w0lson: why is that ? |
| 19:50.48 | Ungy | huh? |
| 19:50.54 | w0lson | can't seem to fix this quirky problem I am having |
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| 19:51.00 | dondelelcaro | kristiank: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 19:51.01 | Ungy | what problem? |
| 19:51.01 | abrotman | w0lson: -boot has no ideas ? |
| 19:51.02 | amphi | w0lson: what ails thee? |
| 19:51.11 | solemnwarning | U.S Robotics suck |
| 19:51.11 | solemnwarning | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.11 | solemnwarning | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.12 | abrotman | i find that so hard to beleve |
| 19:51.20 | w0lson | I asked and they poitned me to a page that has no relevance |
| 19:51.24 | abrotman | w0lson: is your NIC detected with the CD installer ? |
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| 19:51.41 | MobyTurbo | solemnwarning: the modem I got from USR though is great. :-) |
| 19:51.45 | ej__ | thanks, any other error expected? |
| 19:51.49 | w0lson | abrotman: the cd installer doesn't work. It gets to detecting devices and asks to put the cd in when I booted OFF the CD |
| 19:51.54 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: USR just started making routers about a year ago |
| 19:52.05 | dondelelcaro | w0lson: which cd installer are you using? |
| 19:52.10 | w0lson | 3.1? |
| 19:52.12 | abrotman | w0lson: i wonder if the netinst(BC version) might work better |
| 19:52.13 | w0lson | debain sarge |
| 19:52.19 | abrotman | w0lson: how big was the ISO ? |
| 19:52.22 | w0lson | I ahev the 3.1 net install I believe |
| 19:52.25 | w0lson | like 245MB |
| 19:52.29 | abrotman | uhm |
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| 19:52.35 | Ungy | hehehe |
| 19:52.36 | abrotman | it's either 40MB or 105MB |
| 19:52.41 | dondelelcaro | w0lson: there are a few hundred of them... where did you get it from exactly? |
| 19:52.44 | w0lson | sorry my bad |
| 19:52.46 | w0lson | 105MB |
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| 19:52.49 | tiger1020x | need a codec for FMP4 anyone know? i did ant apt-get upgrade and now acidrip's avi files are unreadable |
| 19:52.59 | w0lson | debain sarge i386 netinstall |
| 19:52.59 | abrotman | err .. BC is 30MB |
| 19:53.09 | abrotman | w0lson: date of the ISO .. if you know it |
| 19:53.17 | w0lson | 5/9/05 |
| 19:53.19 | abrotman | w0lson: they have RC3 .. and dailys |
| 19:53.22 | kristiank | well, I can see : "could'not open module GLcore (module does not exist, 0) |
| 19:53.23 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 19:53.32 | dondelelcaro | the dailies could very well e broken |
| 19:53.36 | abrotman | w0lson: RC3 .. if you're willing to try .. might work better .. they could have broken something |
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| 19:53.53 | w0lson | so this is maybe like a BETA? |
| 19:54.05 | abrotman | well .. not beta .. |
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| 19:54.06 | Ungy | dailies are beta yes |
| 19:54.07 | chealer | kristiank: did you ever edit XF86Config-4 manually? |
| 19:54.07 | w0lson | or pre-release |
| 19:54.12 | Ungy | Well more like alpha |
| 19:54.13 | dondelelcaro | w0lson: it's not even a beta. It's just whatever is in the cvs at that moment. |
| 19:54.14 | w0lson | okay |
| 19:54.14 | abrotman | but .. they oculd have been trying to fix something .. and actually broken it |
| 19:54.19 | w0lson | rite |
| 19:54.21 | IquO | hi, does anybody here has reached to use the intelfb??? |
| 19:54.36 | dondelelcaro | w0lson: the RC? series are more akin to a beta. |
| 19:54.38 | w0lson | I;m not gonna amke any more cds until I find a floppy install that works |
| 19:54.46 | abrotman | w0lson: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/ .. the 105MB image |
| 19:54.47 | MobyTurbo | w0lson: RC3 is pretty solid, get it |
| 19:54.53 | w0lson | thats the one I downloaded |
| 19:55.03 | abrotman | w0lson: not if it's 5/9/05 |
| 19:55.15 | w0lson | I downloaded it last night :-) |
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| 19:55.24 | eka | hi all |
| 19:55.25 | abrotman | w0lson: right .. that was a daily .. unless you know otherwise |
| 19:55.28 | w0lson | ah |
| 19:55.32 | w0lson | hmmmm |
| 19:55.33 | kristiank | no, I did not edited it manually, only with dpkg-reconfigure ; further I can see : failed to initialize GLX extension |
| 19:55.43 | kristiank | (NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 19:55.43 | eka | so when sarge comes to stable how i suppose to upgrade my woody to sarge? |
| 19:55.45 | abrotman | too bad the -boot guys don't put a date on the daily isos |
| 19:55.45 | w0lson | how can I put an ISO on a CD-rw so I don't keep wasting cds? |
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| 19:55.54 | abrotman | !tell eka about woody->sarge |
| 19:55.57 | dondelelcaro | eka: you follow the release notes, or /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 19:56.05 | abrotman | w0lson: same as normal .. if you have a CDRW |
| 19:56.07 | w0lson | extract the iso using winiso and then burn it? will it boot using a cdrw? |
| 19:56.22 | n0dez | eka, change your source.list and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:56.22 | abrotman | w0lson: uhm .. burn it as an ISO ? |
| 19:56.23 | dondelelcaro | w0lson: just burn the iso. and yes, it will boot using cdrw |
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| 19:56.27 | w0lson | okay |
| 19:56.30 | w0lson | let me try that |
| 19:56.34 | abrotman | wtf is winiso ? |
| 19:56.42 | w0lson | gonna have to continue this tomorrow |
| 19:56.45 | n0dez | abrotman, an app to make and open isos |
| 19:56.47 | w0lson | winiso extracts iso images |
| 19:56.47 | chealer | kristiank: does lsmod|grep nvidia return something? |
| 19:56.48 | eka | thx |
| 19:57.06 | w0lson | thansk abrotman and others for your time and patience. |
| 19:57.08 | abrotman | n0dez: sounds dumb :) |
| 19:57.11 | n0dez | np |
| 19:57.20 | IquO | ey, what do i have to do with lilo to specify that i want to load intelfb and not vesa one?? |
| 19:57.26 | abrotman | why would you want to extract an iso .. isn't that what loopback is for? |
| 19:57.37 | n0dez | abrotman, yeah |
| 19:57.54 | n0dez | abrotman, it's a windows-only app |
| 19:57.56 | kristiank | it returns : nvidia 3645692 0 (unused) |
| 19:58.06 | w0lson | just one thing to note though about that ISO. The date on sarge-i386-netinst.iso is 3/23/05 |
| 19:58.10 | abrotman | w0lson: just remember to stick up for us :) |
| 19:58.10 | chealer | kristiank: is nvidia-glx installed? |
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| 19:58.16 | w0lson | I dont see how that can be "newer" |
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| 19:58.25 | abrotman | w0lson: that is RC3 ISO .. the other was a daily afaict .. which are sometimes broken |
| 19:58.35 | w0lson | okay |
| 19:58.35 | abrotman | newer!= better |
| 19:58.41 | stew | say it isn't so! |
| 19:58.42 | w0lson | I'll take your word for it :-P |
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| 19:58.46 | w0lson | it isin't so? |
| 19:58.49 | w0lson | :_) |
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| 19:59.02 | abrotman | stew: i'd like to point out the New Jetta :) |
| 19:59.12 | w0lson | hmmmm |
| 19:59.15 | stew | heh |
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| 19:59.17 | w0lson | later all |
| 19:59.26 | abrotman | later? |
| 19:59.28 | takatumi | abrotman: VW? |
| 19:59.32 | w0lson | g2g |
| 19:59.34 | abrotman | takatumi: yes |
| 19:59.36 | abrotman | w0lson: ok |
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| 19:59.48 | w0lson | we'll have to finish this up tomorrow. End of my working day. |
| 19:59.51 | Ungy | hehehe abrotman that is not what he wanted to hear |
| 19:59.53 | w0lson | cya1 |
| 19:59.59 | abrotman | Ungy: que? |
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| 20:00.05 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:00.10 | abrotman | yes .. bye bye w0lson |
| 20:00.11 | arnon | is there a way to constantly upgrade all my packages automatically? |
| 20:00.26 | abrotman | arnon: it can break things .. automatic isn't good |
| 20:00.27 | tzafrir_home | arnon, cron-apt ? |
| 20:00.27 | abrotman | !cron apt |
| 20:00.29 | Ungy | That he has to download an older version you know these admin guys swear code written today is better then yesterdays code without testing |
| 20:00.33 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:00.37 | arnon | abrotman, oh |
| 20:00.42 | abrotman | !apt cron |
| 20:00.49 | stew | !apt-cron |
| 20:00.50 | dondelelcaro | !info cron-apt |
| 20:00.50 | abrotman | !piece of crap |
| 20:00.52 | dpkg | cron-apt: (automatic update of packages using apt-get), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.0 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 20:00.57 | dondelelcaro | NEXT |
| 20:01.02 | kristiank | AFAIK yes, could you remeber me how to check ? |
| 20:01.03 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i was looking for the one that says cron apt is bad |
| 20:01.07 | dondelelcaro | oh... |
| 20:01.14 | abrotman | i know about cron-apt :) |
| 20:01.47 | stew | !apt-get cron |
| 20:01.48 | dpkg | Don't do it! If your unattended apt-get upgrade blows up, your system could be unusable, and you won't even have a prompt on the console to answer. |
| 20:01.48 | chealer | apt-get cron |
| 20:01.52 | ej__ | if I get warining: libjpeg not found. what should I install? |
| 20:02.02 | IquO | does anyone use intelfb?? |
| 20:02.10 | arnon | can I just upgrade one package? or do I have to do all packages everytime ? |
| 20:02.11 | chealer | strange name for that factoid |
| 20:02.19 | chealer | arnon: you can just upgrade one |
| 20:02.19 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 20:02.29 | abrotman | arnon: better plan .. man apt-get .. look at -d |
| 20:02.50 | tzafrir_home | arnon, apt-get install package-name # this will update it |
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| 20:03.36 | stew | ej__: if you are compiling you want a package that ends with -dev, like libjpeg-dev or something |
| 20:03.40 | arnon | tzafrir_home, I thought that is for a new package installation..? |
| 20:03.48 | ej__ | ok |
| 20:03.51 | stew | arnon: install is install or upgrade |
| 20:03.54 | ej__ | and how about qt,the same? |
| 20:03.58 | stew | yes |
| 20:04.01 | arnon | stew, I see |
| 20:04.49 | kristiank | could you remember me how to check if nvidia-glx is installed, please ? |
| 20:05.02 | chealer | kristiank: dpkg -l nvidia-glx |
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| 20:06.03 | jbmigel | hi all, i just installed sarge with only kde and my firefox doesnt look pretty like it did in gnome/ubunut, is it possible that i also have to install GTK?? |
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| 20:06.20 | kristiank | it is "ii" |
| 20:06.22 | SuperSox_ | jbmigel: or just a different firefox theme :) |
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| 20:06.42 | jbmigel | SuperSox o.O duh like good idea!!! |
| 20:06.47 | jetscreamer | what dvdrip program creates .img files, and what's the diff between .img and .iso |
| 20:07.11 | chealer | jbmigel: firefox depends on GTK |
| 20:07.11 | stew | jbmigel: or maybe /msg dpkg font guide |
| 20:07.13 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: is openfirmware part of the mainboard? |
| 20:07.32 | stew | kristiank: that means installed |
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| 20:08.32 | miguens | anyone know a good tool to do memory tests? |
| 20:08.36 | ej__ | which package contains qt headers and libraries? |
| 20:08.39 | kristiank | OK. So what is the problem with my nvidia driver ??? |
| 20:08.45 | thomas_adam | ej__: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:08.47 | abrotman | !tell ej__ about search |
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| 20:08.52 | abrotman | thomas_adam: feed me! |
| 20:09.04 | abrotman | miguens: memtest |
| 20:09.08 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Pffft, dpkg has enough stolen fish and chips. Go ask him. :P |
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| 20:09.11 | jbmigel | SuperSox_ / Chealer / stew; maybe i wrote wrong, problem is that the windows from GTK dependant apps do not follow my KDE theme, like progress bars are white and detail empty. |
| 20:09.17 | abrotman | dpkg: feed me |
| 20:09.28 | chealer | kristiank: strange...you're sure that the same happens if you restart X? |
| 20:09.36 | SuperSox_ | jbmigel: *shrug* :) |
| 20:09.49 | narg | gah, I forgot, how do you add something permanantly to your $PATH? |
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| 20:09.58 | miguens | abrotman: but it isnt in repository of sarge |
| 20:10.03 | kristiank | yes, since I installed, I booted several times, always same problem. |
| 20:10.07 | miguens | another one? |
| 20:10.10 | ej__ | what's qt? |
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| 20:10.21 | amphi | narg: export PATH="/foo:${PATH}" |
| 20:10.30 | narg | is that permanant? |
| 20:10.32 | chealer | jbmigel: then don't use GTK apps |
| 20:10.39 | narg | Thought export was temporary |
| 20:10.50 | chealer | !tell narg about bashrc |
| 20:10.59 | onre | thinking in terms of "permanent" and "temporary" isn't very productive in given context |
| 20:11.02 | stew | miguens: memtest86 |
| 20:11.05 | jbmigel | chealer im willing to work for better solution than that |
| 20:11.09 | kristiank | must I redo completely all the installation ? If yes, how to "clean" properly before ? |
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| 20:11.11 | onre | ~everything in unix is a tree |
| 20:11.12 | apt | okay, onre |
| 20:11.17 | moonunit | ej__ qt is one way that developers can make GUI apps easier |
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| 20:11.23 | onre | erm. |
| 20:11.24 | abrotman | miguens: bullshit? |
| 20:11.25 | amphi | narg: not unless you put it in .bash_profile or whatever |
| 20:11.29 | onre | what did i just do. :D |
| 20:11.31 | ej__ | is it like kde? |
| 20:11.35 | t35t0r | I've got the following wireless device: ndiswrapper version 1.1 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no) | ndiswrapper: driver bcmwl5 (Broadcom,10/20/2004, 3.70.22.0) loaded ..and i'm trying to use wpa_supplicant to connect to my router, but whenever I try to connect manually I get this error: /root# wpa_supplicant -dd -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dndiswrapper | Failed to initialize EAPOL state machines. ..this same driver in winxp works with wpa-psk ..any ideas |
| 20:11.40 | t35t0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.42 | chealer | kristiank: try posting dpkg -l 'nvidia*' to #flood before |
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| 20:11.50 | abrotman | !info memtest86 sarge |
| 20:11.55 | dpkg | memtest86: (A thorough real-mode memory tester), section misc, is optional. Version: 3.2-1.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 20:11.57 | abrotman | miguens: ^^ |
| 20:12.13 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 20:12.17 | chealer | kristiank: and prepend "COLUMNS=200 " to that please |
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| 20:13.20 | flawd | http://pastebin.com/282324 < can someone please help me? |
| 20:13.32 | narg | Amphi: thanks. |
| 20:13.48 | flawd | lots of errors |
| 20:13.53 | kristiank | ok. Thanks a lot to you. |
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| 20:14.05 | flawd | is the only sollution to apt-get remove x and then install it again? |
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| 20:14.06 | jetscreamer | !info memtest86+ |
| 20:14.11 | Eclipser | what's a good sound (wav, preferrably also mp3) editor, like goldwave for windows? |
| 20:14.12 | dpkg | memtest86+: (thorough real-mode memory tester), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.55.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
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| 20:14.42 | jetscreamer | !tell flawd about fix-unmet |
| 20:14.46 | chealer | jbmigel: if you find a way to make a non-KDE app look like one, some people here will be interested |
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| 20:15.12 | Graphical | Hi |
| 20:15.13 | Graphical | I love Solaris. |
| 20:15.16 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 20:15.17 | Graphical | doesn't everybody? |
| 20:15.21 | jetscreamer | what's your point |
| 20:15.25 | rave | yeah we do |
| 20:15.26 | jetscreamer | !solaris |
| 20:15.27 | dpkg | it has been said that solaris is better known as slowaris (ask me about slowaris) because the hardware is so incredibly shitty, it makes AreEss64 puke., but <ashp> Learning solaris is like anally raping myself with a big red fire truck., or ask me about solaris source, or pretty much okay on x86, or shit. slowlaris |
| 20:15.37 | onre | slowaris is sort of humorous occasionally, yes. |
| 20:15.39 | abrotman | agreed |
| 20:15.40 | jetscreamer | yes everybody loves solaris |
| 20:15.41 | abrotman | i like solaris |
| 20:15.55 | abrotman | i would like to be able to spend part of my job workign on it |
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| 20:16.15 | stew | intersting driveby |
| 20:16.19 | onre | truly |
| 20:16.31 | onre | abrotman, after some time you'd think otherwise, i believe :) |
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| 20:16.41 | abrotman | onre: i've spent lots of time with it |
| 20:16.46 | onre | me too.- |
| 20:16.46 | abrotman | onre: i actually like solaris |
| 20:16.49 | onre | oh. |
| 20:16.51 | ej__ | is kde headers= kde games library headers? that's what I found with apt-cache search |
| 20:16.52 | onre | tastes differ. |
| 20:17.04 | abrotman | onre: it's sure as hell leaps and bounds better than AIX :) |
| 20:17.14 | mon0 | hi, i am trying to startx and i am getting the following errors - no core pointer, can not open device /dev/psaux and it could not find /dev/input/mice any ideas how to resolve this issue? |
| 20:17.16 | onre | how so? |
| 20:17.31 | onre | i actually prefer aix over just about any other commercial unix :) |
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| 20:17.44 | mattbee | mon0> what kind of mouse have you got? |
| 20:17.53 | abrotman | onre: if i had to choose commercial Unix .. i'd choose Solaris for server .. IRIX for desktop .. tru64 was a close second .. but it's kind of dead |
| 20:17.57 | onre | not aix 3.* though. |
| 20:18.03 | mon0 | mattbee: i have a regular ps/2 |
| 20:18.11 | abrotman | onre: that was the AIX i used the most .. AIX3.x .. |
| 20:18.12 | onre | yea, tru64 and alpha are quite dead. |
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| 20:18.20 | mon0 | mattbee: i thought that /dev/psaux should work |
| 20:18.28 | onre | aix 3.x was broken and horrible, 4.x was actually very good. |
| 20:18.29 | mon0 | mattbee: but the file is not even there |
| 20:18.29 | mattbee | mon0> have you had it working before? |
| 20:18.33 | CroatianNinja | !forgot root's password |
| 20:18.34 | mattbee | ah not there? |
| 20:18.39 | mon0 | mattbee: yes |
| 20:18.43 | abrotman | onre: so .. i'm picking solaris :) |
| 20:18.43 | tyranix | mon0: Using 2.6.x kernel? If so, you need mousedev and psmouse in /etc/modules. |
| 20:18.47 | mattbee | then cd dev; ./MAKEDEV psaux |
| 20:18.52 | CroatianNinja | damn it |
| 20:19.00 | CroatianNinja | !forgot roots password |
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| 20:19.18 | MobyTurbo | CroatianNinja: boot a rescue CD, chroot, and run passwd |
| 20:19.25 | mon0 | tyranix: yes. i am using 2.6.8 - do i just need to download those? are they debian pkgs i can apt-get? |
| 20:19.26 | ej__ | which package will give me kde headers? is it libkdegames-dev? |
| 20:19.34 | onre | abrotman, yup. solaris has it's upsides in server use... of course, heavily depending on what the server is used for. |
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| 20:19.49 | abrotman | onre: in my experience .. light DB .. web stuff |
| 20:19.50 | tyranix | mon0: In /etc/modules, add those in there. |
| 20:19.51 | CroatianNinja | MobyTurbo: i tried that, but there was some other way explained in here using grub and whatnot |
| 20:19.52 | abrotman | and mail |
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| 20:20.04 | CroatianNinja | i just want to print the !forgot roots password lines |
| 20:20.05 | tyranix | mon0: They are standard kernel modules so you shouldn't need to download anything. |
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| 20:20.20 | kristiank | well, I just did it; I hope in the correct manner... |
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| 20:20.29 | MobyTurbo | CroatianNinja: maybe single mode works, I forgot if Debian asks for a password even in single mode. |
| 20:20.30 | onre | abrotman, for that it's great... aix excels in heavy use. it's a bit like comparing a sports car and a prime mover. :P |
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| 20:20.33 | tyranix | mon0: Try doing 'modprobe mousedev' and 'modprobe psmouse' first to see if that fixes your problem. |
| 20:20.43 | CroatianNinja | MobyTurbo: yeah it does |
| 20:20.52 | stew | ej__: kdelibs4-dev |
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| 20:21.01 | tyranix | MobyTurbo: Yeah, it does. |
| 20:21.02 | flawd | ty jetscreamer |
| 20:21.04 | abrotman | onre: dunno .. my AIX experience involves a machine that ran in emulation and would see a load of 150+ with 3 users |
| 20:21.05 | MobyTurbo | CroatianNinja: how about init=/bin/bash ? |
| 20:21.15 | tyranix | MobyTurbo: That won't work IIRC. |
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| 20:21.26 | onre | abrotman, ran in emulation? was it the ill-fated aix/370 or something? |
| 20:21.32 | CroatianNinja | MobyTurbo: where do i type that in? |
| 20:21.32 | jaycee | Evening all. |
| 20:21.43 | chealer | kristiank: more or less. what's your kernel? |
| 20:21.46 | tyranix | CroatianNinja: Just use a rescue CD and mount the partition. |
| 20:21.46 | abrotman | onre: i don't remember anymore .. it was a fucking mess .. imagine trying to write cobol on a machine using vi with a load of 150+ :) |
| 20:22.08 | MobyTurbo | CroatianNinja: if you're running grub you press "e" and edit the kernel command line |
| 20:22.13 | mon0 | tyranix: ok. done that |
| 20:22.15 | abrotman | nevermind try to read your assignment out of your email |
| 20:22.16 | mon0 | tyranix: let me try |
| 20:22.21 | CroatianNinja | MobyTurbo: yeah i know |
| 20:22.24 | onre | abrotman, ouch :) cobol and hellishly slow machine are bad for mental health |
| 20:22.25 | kristiank | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 20:22.35 | MobyTurbo | CroatianNinja: then why did you ask? |
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| 20:22.38 | abrotman | onre: we also did c++ dev on it .. among other things |
| 20:22.40 | CroatianNinja | MobyTurbo: i just want to see the !forgot roots password stuff |
| 20:22.46 | CroatianNinja | !forgot roots password |
| 20:22.49 | CroatianNinja | !passwd |
| 20:22.50 | dpkg | New password: |
| 20:22.56 | technos | AIX rules run on real hardware with "expected" applications. Solaris rules, run on real hardware, by non-idiots with "expected" application. I have no complaints about either as a BSD-alike. |
| 20:22.56 | jbmigel | Anyone know howto remove "Trash" icon autocreation on second monitor dual-head setup? every time i restart it is recreated but is non-functional! |
| 20:22.57 | abrotman | onre: it was a Uni machine .. i did have access to another that was better .. but still slow |
| 20:23.00 | deadcat | acb123 |
| 20:23.03 | deadcat | oops |
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| 20:23.11 | streuner | CroatianNinja: /msg dpkg listkeys password |
| 20:23.14 | abrotman | deadcat: i know your passwd! |
| 20:23.18 | deadcat | )= |
| 20:23.25 | mon0 | tyranix: ok, it worked. now how do i make sure that these modules would be loaded on boot? it seems like it is dropping them on boot |
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| 20:23.30 | NaturalRoots | hi |
| 20:23.33 | onre | abrotman, either it was a seriously misconfigured one or it was the mainframe aix running inside a virtual machine, and those are _slow_ if there's lots of other stuff going on in the mainframe |
| 20:23.35 | abrotman | deadcat: may i recommend ... Jhr36II |
| 20:23.44 | deadcat | abrotman: HAHAHAH |
| 20:23.52 | CroatianNinja | !i forgot root's password |
| 20:23.52 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 20:23.55 | CroatianNinja | thanks |
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| 20:24.00 | streuner | abrotman: hehe |
| 20:24.05 | mon0 | tyranix: i am running kdm/gdm and so i would prefer if i could just go to one of them after boot |
| 20:24.08 | flawd | Im sshing to a machine and the target machine kernel panics |
| 20:24.09 | NaturalRoots | someone have howto for postfix+mysql+sasl+quota+webmail+spamassassin+mailscanner+clamav |
| 20:24.10 | NaturalRoots | ?? |
| 20:24.11 | abrotman | onre: it happened during an upgrade .. they got a new machine .. didn't want to reinstall it .. just restored everything .. and let it run .. it was horrible |
| 20:24.13 | tyranix | mon0: If you add those 2 lines to /etc/modules, then it should load them at boot. |
| 20:24.16 | flawd | after awhile of doing stuff |
| 20:24.21 | abrotman | NaturalRoots: #postfix is a good start |
| 20:24.40 | mon0 | tyranix: each line should have modprobe mousedev and modprobe psmouse? |
| 20:24.45 | flawd | ever heard of that? |
| 20:24.56 | abrotman | sure .. bad RAM! |
| 20:25.03 | abrotman | you know what good RAM is ? |
| 20:25.04 | tyranix | mon0: give me a minute and I'll post my /etc/modules to pastebin. |
| 20:25.05 | onre | abrotman, that's sort of odd... we used to run oracle database on the very first and slowest rs/6000 running aix 4.* and it wasn't really all that bad. very fast i/o. |
| 20:25.05 | chealer | kristiank: could you paste "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l nvidia-kernel*"? |
| 20:25.27 | flawd | abrotman, you sound like you are quite sure that is the problem |
| 20:25.35 | abrotman | onre: the thing was a mess .. if you want .. i can get more specifics .. one of the other guys who was doing coursework at the same time is now an AIX admin |
| 20:25.40 | mon0 | tyranix: ok. i added those. let me try and reboot. i'll be back in case it doesn't like it. thanks! |
| 20:25.50 | flawd | abrotman, kmem_alloc: Bad xlab magic |
| 20:25.53 | onre | abrotman, sure :) i've been an aix admin for years |
| 20:25.55 | flawd | that does sound like a mem problem |
| 20:25.56 | abrotman | onre: but he also got married .. so he's into pain :) |
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| 20:26.03 | onre | abrotman, haha :) |
| 20:26.05 | Eclipser | \o/ |
| 20:26.12 | Eclipser | audacity segfaults :p |
| 20:26.22 | abrotman | flawd: google ? |
| 20:26.22 | flawd | abrotman, also bad slab magic (corrupt) (name=size-2048) and FPU emulator: Internal error type 0x0102 |
| 20:26.29 | flawd | yeah will try |
| 20:26.34 | jbmigel | NaturalRoots, this gets some of that http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/debian_setup/ |
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| 20:26.38 | abrotman | flawd: i'd say .. back up your data .. and hide from the explosion |
| 20:26.41 | kristiank | oh, ok, I beg you pardon. I do it |
| 20:27.20 | chealer | kristiank: heh, no problem, that command is irritating :) |
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| 20:28.30 | stew | kristiank: nvidia-kernel* should probably be nvidia-kernel\* |
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| 20:30.36 | kristiank | I did it ; correctly now ? |
| 20:31.00 | chealer | kristiank: yes. that looks good. |
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| 20:31.48 | chealer | usually people have solved the problems at this step so I don't know if I can help you, but you could always publish your XF86Config-4 |
| 20:31.56 | SuperSox_ | I'm having problems with DRI, I'm not getting any errors in any sane places and everything appears to be working fine - with the exception of direct rendering not working, kernel is 2.6.10, anyone got any suggestions? |
| 20:32.29 | kristiank | do you need "\*" as stew says ? |
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| 20:33.22 | chealer | kristiank: no |
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| 20:34.02 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - any idea why i would get a permission denied on an nfs server on the same subnet with this /etc/exports: /mnt/steves/hda8 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0(rw,nohide,no_subtree_check,insecure_locks,insecure,no_root_squash) |
| 20:34.04 | kristiank | well, I thank once pore for teaching me this xchat command. |
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| 20:34.32 | beeblebrox87 | is parted capable of doing anything? |
| 20:34.38 | stew | kristiank: you need the \* depending on your shell, and it doens't hurt in any case |
| 20:34.42 | chealer | xchat command? |
| 20:34.48 | Super_Cat_Frog | beeblebrox87 - yes |
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| 20:35.04 | ej__ | How do I check if Samba is running? |
| 20:35.08 | beeblebrox87 | no matter what i point it at, it says "this ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout. parted can't resize this yet" |
| 20:35.15 | Super_Cat_Frog | ej__ - sudo ps -A | grep samba |
| 20:35.20 | kristiank | I mean, use of flood (I never did this before) |
| 20:35.35 | Super_Cat_Frog | beeblebrox87 - you might have to specify an fs |
| 20:35.39 | chealer | kristiank: this is just a tip to avoid getting you kicked from here :) |
| 20:35.52 | ej__ | I got no output |
| 20:36.10 | Super_Cat_Frog | ej__ then its not running |
| 20:36.17 | beeblebrox87 | Super_Cat_Frog: i say e.g. "parted> resize 4 0.812 8192.812" |
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| 20:36.35 | chealer | kristiank: another thing useful is to use LANG=C before you paste a command's in public in case somebody doesn't understand French |
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| 20:36.36 | Super_Cat_Frog | beeblebrox87 - what fs are you trying to resize? |
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| 20:36.42 | beeblebrox87 | when partition 4 currently goes from 4096.812 to 8192.812 |
| 20:36.58 | ej__ | but on my other XP computer I see this linux machine |
| 20:37.01 | beeblebrox87 | it's ext3, but if i tried with an ext2 fs and got the same error |
| 20:37.04 | kristiank | stew: thanks for your help |
| 20:37.09 | ircdevil | wow - according to DWN sarge releases at the end of may??? |
| 20:37.14 | Super_Cat_Frog | dunno then beeblebrox87 |
| 20:37.19 | kristiank | do you need it ? |
| 20:37.20 | ircdevil | this year? |
| 20:37.26 | Super_Cat_Frog | ej__ - try su -c ps -a |
| 20:37.28 | Super_Cat_Frog | oops |
| 20:37.29 | ircdevil | wow |
| 20:37.34 | beeblebrox87 | this has happened every time i've ever tried to use parted |
| 20:37.52 | stew | ej__: ps x | grep smbd |
| 20:37.53 | tyranix | If I'm gone, could someone please point mon0 to this URL: http://pastebin.ca/11437 |
| 20:37.54 | abrotman | what's a Super_Cat_Frog ? |
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| 20:38.14 | Souza10 | is there any way to recover a file after a rm file? |
| 20:38.17 | Super_Cat_Frog | ej__ - its sudo ps -A |grep smbd |
| 20:38.22 | beeblebrox87 | on two different kernel versions and three different architectures, in 6 years of using linux parted has never done anything to an ext2 filesystem but give me that error |
| 20:38.26 | Super_Cat_Frog | abrotman - i'l tell you the story of the supercatfrog |
| 20:38.30 | ej__ | what's the default password to get into a linux running samba? |
| 20:38.55 | kristiank | chealer: do you need me to redo using LANG=C ? |
| 20:38.59 | Super_Cat_Frog | ej__ - have a look at webmin, that has a samba configuration module |
| 20:39.07 | chealer | kristiank: no I don't, I speak French |
| 20:39.08 | stew | ej__: there is no default password, use smbpasswd to create users |
| 20:39.18 | ej__ | the su -c ps -a command shows me that -a is an invalid option |
| 20:39.18 | abrotman | don't use webmin |
| 20:39.21 | chealer | kristiank: what you could do is publish you X config |
| 20:39.28 | abrotman | what is wrong with you people .. webmin makes baby jesus cry |
| 20:39.36 | ej__ | is there a easy "wizard" for configuring samba? |
| 20:39.39 | beeblebrox87 | has it ever, ever worked for anybody, and if so, what flavour of dead chicken do i have to sacrifice? |
| 20:39.47 | Super_Cat_Frog | ej - webmin |
| 20:39.50 | deadcat | swat |
| 20:39.56 | abrotman | vi |
| 20:40.10 | ej__ | k |
| 20:40.13 | stew | don't use webmin |
| 20:40.15 | abrotman | now if only my samba server would stop crashing sunday morning |
| 20:40.18 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 20:40.19 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 20:40.22 | ej__ | why not webmin? |
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| 20:40.48 | chealer | webmin-samba makes jesus cry and harms buddha |
| 20:40.53 | ircdevil | ej__: moron |
| 20:40.54 | kristiank | chealer: do you mean you want me to paste it va flood now ? |
| 20:41.31 | chealer | kristiank: a big file like that is overkill for #flood, try to put it on the net |
| 20:41.34 | Super_Cat_Frog | the story of the supercatfrog: once upon a time there was a cat. it was walking under a tree and a sudden gust of wind blew a frog out of the tree above. when the frog landed on the cats back, the frog grew a miniture cape and the two became stuck together. then they flew off. they flew over some houses and a man was being mean to a dog. the cat new the dog, it was called tara. then the supercatfrog flew down and beat t |
| 20:41.37 | chealer | !tell kristiank about paster |
| 20:41.44 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: there's no need to call people names. If you don't like what they're saying, use /ignore. |
| 20:42.01 | cbr | when will sarge be out? |
| 20:42.05 | dondelelcaro | cbr: see /topic |
| 20:42.13 | cbr | it doesnt tell me when |
| 20:42.16 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite cbr |
| 20:42.17 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cbr. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 20:42.26 | abrotman | Super_Cat_Frog: maybe you should paste that on a webpage .. since it got cut off :) |
| 20:42.28 | dondelelcaro | cbr: yes it does. "sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr" |
| 20:42.42 | chealer | ej__: I tried webmin-samba, swat, and kcontrol's module and the only one I didn't file a bug against was swat |
| 20:42.45 | ircdevil | cbr according to dwn, sarge releases at the end of may - possibly |
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| 20:42.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i go to a mac store or compusa tomorrow to let them take a look. i think the lady from applesupport said its free for me.... lets hope. |
| 20:42.55 | dondelelcaro | !tell cbr -about wwsr |
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| 20:43.11 | ej__ | thanks.isn't kcontrol easier? |
| 20:43.13 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, definetly go to the mac store.. they usually have some sort of a clue. |
| 20:43.17 | ej__ | swat is web based? |
| 20:43.25 | abrotman | vi |
| 20:43.40 | chealer | ej__: yes |
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| 20:43.56 | kristiank | ok, I try. |
| 20:43.56 | chealer | kcontrol's module looked good but it was bugged for me |
| 20:44.30 | cbr | so after sarge we'll be getting the good stuff (xorg, gcc 3.4 etc) = |
| 20:44.32 | cbr | ? |
| 20:44.54 | chealer | cbr: yes, sarge is only for bad stuff |
| 20:45.01 | ircdevil | chealer: heh |
| 20:45.03 | cbr | ok |
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| 20:45.21 | cbr | thank god :p |
| 20:45.23 | ej__ | kcontrol looks a piece of cake compared to webmin! |
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| 20:45.27 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: but i KNOW its the logicboard sicne mine is within the range of ibooks and i am getting computer startsup to blank screen/ video freeze and shit. i just hope i didnt fucked up the hd since i manual shutdown many times. |
| 20:45.39 | chealer | ej__: I won't look at kcontrol then |
| 20:45.49 | chealer | oh, I red "piece of crap" |
| 20:45.49 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: this ibook didnt even last long enough for me to get the airport card. )= |
| 20:45.55 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: ah... |
| 20:45.56 | LuPuZ | What's the command for surfing the web from an sarge Debian? |
| 20:45.58 | chealer | ej__: yeah, I suppose |
| 20:46.02 | LuPuZ | lynx didn't work |
| 20:46.07 | dondelelcaro | LuPuZ: use firefox or lynx or links or elinks. |
| 20:46.09 | dondelelcaro | !installit |
| 20:46.09 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 20:46.22 | furrywolf | what's a good range for the voltage spike on the primary side of a points ignition system? |
| 20:46.25 | Super_Cat_Frog | abrotman - the story of the supercatfrog: http://www.freepgs.com/mattyrobinson/misc/supercatfrog |
| 20:46.36 | abrotman | Super_Cat_Frog: thanks |
| 20:46.40 | deadcat | furrywolf: what you usually use? |
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| 20:47.20 | furrywolf | deadcat: lol |
| 20:47.30 | deadcat | (= |
| 20:47.35 | ej__ | how come that I changed Licq encoding to recommanded hebrew encoding but it still shows me question marks?? |
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| 20:47.41 | furrywolf | I thought they were around 100-300, and mine's about 350, so just checking to make sure my guess is correct. :P |
| 20:47.49 | tzafrir_home | my system clock troubles continue, see details at http://channels.debian.net/paste/114 |
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| 20:48.26 | MobyTurbo | ej__: maybe you need to add kde-i18n-he |
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| 20:48.41 | ej__ | just install it? |
| 20:48.45 | ej__ | I use fluxbox,is it ok? |
| 20:48.47 | tzafrir_home | I can't see anything unusual with the adjtimex config. adjtimex(8) was not installed when troubles started. ntpd was running, though |
| 20:48.47 | beeblebrox87 | where can i go to get answers to questions? |
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| 20:49.12 | furrywolf | which means I need to go get a couple zeners, since with my 'scope at 50V/div, I can't accurately see the near-12v stuff... but really don't want to set my scope to 5V/div with a 350v input. :) |
| 20:49.13 | Super_Cat_Frog | abrotman - new version, including the \n character |
| 20:49.15 | dondelelcaro | tzafrir_home: set the freq to 0 and the tick to 10000 |
| 20:49.16 | MobyTurbo | ej__: is licq a Qt/KDE app or something else? |
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| 20:49.31 | dondelelcaro | tzafrir_home: make sure ntpdate and ntpd are not running. Then see if the clock steps appropriately. |
| 20:49.31 | streuner | !depends licq |
| 20:49.36 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: qt |
| 20:49.36 | ej__ | don't know... |
| 20:49.40 | Super_Cat_Frog | abrotman - when my ftp server lets me connect |
| 20:49.40 | dpkg | licq: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libgpgme6 (>= 0.3.16-2), libssl0.9.7, libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), licq-plugin-qt | licq-plugin |
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| 20:50.02 | flawd | Segmentation faulty Tree ... 50% < what does it mean when apt-get -f install gives that? |
| 20:50.15 | ej__ | so what do u think I should do? |
| 20:50.25 | kristiank | chealer ok I did it. |
| 20:50.26 | tarzeau | flawd: did you ever dist-upgrad e? |
| 20:50.27 | tzafrir_home | dondelelcaro: this is kernel 2.6. still use that tick value? |
| 20:50.33 | j_k | flawd: it means that it crashed badly. |
| 20:50.34 | dondelelcaro | tzafrir_home: yes. |
| 20:50.39 | streuner | MobyTurbo: different GUI are avaiable for that app... |
| 20:50.49 | streuner | s/GUI/GUI's/ |
| 20:50.52 | flawd | tarzeau, it is my friend's box but I will ask her |
| 20:51.01 | flawd | j_k, yeah that box seems totally messed up |
| 20:51.02 | kristiank | content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/115. |
| 20:51.17 | MobyTurbo | ej__: I'm not sure. |
| 20:51.51 | ej__ | how do we find out? |
| 20:52.04 | chealer | kristiank: there's something very wrong with that |
| 20:52.10 | flawd | j_k, tarzeau: is there a way to fix it? |
| 20:52.16 | MobyTurbo | ej__: try installing some Hebrew and UTF-8 fonts |
| 20:52.20 | chealer | kristiank: your driver is "nv", not nvidia |
| 20:52.21 | tarzeau | flawd: maybe, apt-get moo |
| 20:52.26 | kristiank | you mean I failed doing what you asked to do ? |
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| 20:52.32 | chealer | kristiank: no |
| 20:52.43 | ej__ | which packages do I need? |
| 20:52.45 | flawd | tarzeau, apt-get moo? is that a real suggestion? |
| 20:52.50 | chealer | kristiank: did you really select nvidia and not nv in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 20:52.53 | tzafrir_home | dondelelcaro: I've set tick to 10,000, freq to 0, the clock still loops. |
| 20:52.54 | ej__ | I installed culmus which is the hebrew free fonts |
| 20:52.54 | streuner | ej__: locales |
| 20:52.55 | tarzeau | flawd: yes. yes. |
| 20:52.57 | MobyTurbo | ej__: apt-cache search is your friend |
| 20:53.08 | dondelelcaro | tzafrir_home: ok, what else is running? What kernel version is this? |
| 20:53.10 | furrywolf | !tell flawd about moo |
| 20:53.22 | ej__ | I knwo him. but I just try not to overload my slowass system |
| 20:53.31 | streuner | ej__: that's what you need in any case, but licq must have support for hebrew too |
| 20:53.53 | streuner | ej__: dpkg -L licq |
| 20:53.55 | ej__ | I hope i'll find the cure :-) |
| 20:53.59 | kristiank | !!! I right now launched again dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and it is positionned on nvidia, not on nv ! |
| 20:54.00 | dpkg | kristiank: what are you talking about? |
| 20:54.05 | ej__ | what's -l for? |
| 20:54.16 | ej__ | I tried upgrading licq |
| 20:54.23 | streuner | ej__: 'L' - list all files in the package |
| 20:54.24 | flawd | tarzeau, furrywolf is that a joke? please be serious with me as Im quite frustrated |
| 20:54.28 | dondelelcaro | tzafrir_home: also, the output of while sleep 0.5s; do date; done; would be useful. |
| 20:54.30 | tzafrir_home | ej__: what exactly's missing for you? |
| 20:54.41 | tarzeau | flawd: i was serious. does apt-get moo segfault too? |
| 20:54.47 | streuner | tzafrir_home: language support in licq (hebrew) |
| 20:54.55 | ej__ | what do u mean tzafrir_home? |
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| 20:55.22 | tzafrir_home | licq's qt (default) front end works well out of the apt for me |
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| 20:55.26 | flawd | ill check |
| 20:55.38 | deadcat | how do i make checkinstall NOT to install after building? |
| 20:55.53 | tzafrir_home | You do need to get the encoding straight. You can select the encoding per-contact |
| 20:56.12 | ej__ | I choose it from settings |
| 20:56.14 | Souza10 | is there any way to recover a file after a "rm file"? I am using reiserfs |
| 20:56.17 | ej__ | meant chose |
| 20:56.19 | chealer | kristiank: debconf fails to write XF86Config-4 if you edited it manually |
| 20:56.24 | streuner | Souza10: backup |
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| 20:56.34 | Souza10 | streuner: funny |
| 20:56.38 | j_k | flawd: try 'rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin', then 'apt-get ...' again. |
| 20:56.38 | tzafrir_home | ej__, I use culmus fonts |
| 20:56.38 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 20:56.39 | dpkg | methinks unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 20:56.44 | ej__ | me too |
| 20:56.50 | chealer | kristiank: I don't know why it fails if you say you didn't, but if you did, use dexconf to fix the problem |
| 20:56.56 | ej__ | I chose aharoni with hebrew enocding |
| 20:57.08 | j_k | flawd: see http://bugs.debian.org/apt |
| 20:57.12 | Souza10 | isn?t keep it simple, stupid from slack? |
| 20:57.13 | ej__ | everytime I come to change it, it switch back to latin.is it ok? |
| 20:57.17 | streuner | Souza10: tradionally unix doesn't support recover very well |
| 20:57.30 | kristiank | ok, I understand ; "I"did not edited it manually, but perhaps somebody did, since I began |
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| 20:57.40 | Super_Cat_Frog | souza10 - KISS is the unix way |
| 20:57.42 | raf256 | is there some repository with socket++ lib for debian? |
| 20:57.46 | tzafrir_home | ej__: do you change the edit font or the display font? |
| 20:57.50 | furrywolf | hrmm. how about a 20:1 voltage divider with a pair of red LEDs (reverse-parallel) across the output? that should clip it at about 35v... |
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| 20:58.01 | ej__ | both fonts there |
| 20:58.09 | flawd | tarzeau, j_k ty |
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| 20:58.24 | furrywolf | brb |
| 20:58.30 | kristiank | thnks, just let me time to read man dexconf |
| 20:58.51 | _gentgeen_ | Does anyone have a way to get an iso from a REALLY scratched up CD-ROM? |
| 20:58.57 | flawd | tarzeau, apt-get moo does not segfault |
| 20:59.17 | streuner | _gentgeen_: if you can't read the CD you are out of luck |
| 20:59.20 | flawd | j_k, I will try the rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin |
| 20:59.24 | Super_Cat_Frog | _gentgeen - magic / backups |
| 20:59.28 | tarzeau | flawd: very good |
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| 20:59.41 | flawd | tarzeau, do you also suggest rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin? |
| 20:59.44 | tzafrir_home | _gentgeen_: dd_rescue? |
| 20:59.56 | tarzeau | i'd dip it into holy water first, but yes |
| 21:00.06 | flawd | ill try it |
| 21:00.31 | shingouz | _gentgeen_: If it is really scrathced you might be out of luck. There are some cd polishers available which do work if the reflective surface is still intact with just the transparent part scratched. If the label side of the cd has been gouged you have to get a new cd |
| 21:00.36 | Zimmerman | Hmmm... I'm trying to write a bash script, but how do I use the SU -command in it? It just exits the script (of course)... Can someone help me? |
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| 21:00.51 | abrotman | Super_Cat_Frog: nice story :") |
| 21:00.53 | tarzeau | Zimmerman: zsh: command not found: SU |
| 21:00.59 | Super_Cat_Frog | abrotman - ty |
| 21:01.01 | Super_Cat_Frog | hee hee |
| 21:01.06 | _gentgeen_ | streuner, shingouz, thanks |
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| 21:01.16 | tarzeau | Zimmerman: what is the SU -command? |
| 21:01.28 | Zimmerman | tarzeau: ok, I meant su (switch user) |
| 21:01.29 | ej__ | can kkbswitch make takes more than 1/2 hour on pentium 350mhz? |
| 21:01.36 | L00thar | Anyone know why a solid .rar with max compression is still much more compressed than a tar'd .bzip2 at max compression? I thought that bzip2 would be a little more in the running than what I'm seeing. |
| 21:01.38 | _gentgeen_ | tzafrir_home, what is dd_rescue? a command line tool/program? |
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| 21:01.49 | Esotericisms | how do I start kde? |
| 21:01.59 | resiak | !faq Esotericisms |
| 21:02.00 | dpkg | Esotericisms: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:02.03 | phogg | The windows registry sucks! |
| 21:02.08 | resiak | !tell Esotericisms -about install kde |
| 21:02.17 | phogg | Just thought I'd share |
| 21:02.23 | Super_Cat_Frog | l00thar - i would imagine that rar would be better than some things and bz2 for others, but i might be wrong about that |
| 21:02.25 | cef | Zimmerman: in a shell script, you might need to specify the actual user (eg: 'su - root' |
| 21:02.28 | tarzeau | _gentgeen_: yes, like dd and sdd |
| 21:02.29 | shingouz | phogg: That is not exactly news ;) |
| 21:02.34 | tarzeau | phogg: we know |
| 21:02.35 | tzafrir_home | _gentgeen_: it's a version of dd(1) to get information from media that is partially unreadable. It tries to tolerate errors and move on |
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| 21:02.50 | tarzeau | phogg: defaults(1) is so much better |
| 21:02.51 | tzafrir_home | I have no idea how it fares with CDs, though |
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| 21:03.01 | cef | Zimmerman: have you thougth about sudo? |
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| 21:03.02 | L00thar | Super_Cat_Frog: THe difference is really significant. Like @40% with some big textfiles. |
| 21:03.03 | resiak | Zimmerman: You want the script to rootify and then continue, don't you? |
| 21:03.07 | _gentgeen_ | tzafrir_home, tarzeau thanks -- I'll google it |
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| 21:03.16 | Zimmerman | resiak: Yes! |
| 21:03.59 | tzafrir_home | Any other ideas what may be causing my system clock to loop? What could possibly do that? |
| 21:04.09 | streuner | _gentgeen_: there are recover services for very important data available - no idea how much that is |
| 21:04.12 | shingouz | _gentgeen_: Come to think of it, you may want to look for an older cdrom with which to read the cd. Old and slow, 2x-8x range. Before you use the old drive, open it up and clean the lens too as it could be really dusty. |
| 21:04.14 | kristiank | chealer: rebooting |
| 21:04.15 | L00thar | Super_Cat_Frog: These are log fragments with quite a bit of repetition BTW. |
| 21:04.18 | phogg | tarzeau: defaults has one feature that the registry sorely needs: Globa search and print. If I could just find the damn keys and dump them to a file my life would be easier. Thank goodness I can come home to Debian. |
| 21:04.29 | flawd | tarzeau, j_k : I am actually not by the box. I am trying to help a friend over the net. So basicly I am telling her stuff to type and she tells me the output. She says it says something about "dublicate sources" now |
| 21:04.35 | Ungy | can I enable colors on nano? I read that they had color support I wnna see what it looks like |
| 21:04.38 | Zimmerman | resiak: How would you do if you made such a script? |
| 21:04.39 | _gentgeen_ | shingouz, thanks, cool idea |
| 21:04.42 | flawd | Im starting to get really fed up with that box though |
| 21:04.45 | tarzeau | phogg: wow, you know defaults(1) ? |
| 21:04.46 | chealer | kristiank: you don't need to |
| 21:04.46 | streuner | _gentgeen_: but as 'normal' user its pretty un-important |
| 21:04.49 | flawd | soon Ill recommend a fresh reinstall |
| 21:04.55 | resiak | Zimmerman: You want to look into using sudo ... and just prefixing the stuff you want to run as root with sudo... |
| 21:04.56 | _gentgeen_ | streuner, Not really an option - it is my kids games |
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| 21:05.04 | tarzeau | flawd: can you not remotely log in? |
| 21:05.04 | cef | Zimmerman: which won't happen normally cos su will exit after obtaining root.. you could try putting all the stuff that needs to happen as root as a function and then calling the function using su's -c command, but nfi if it'll inherit the function |
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| 21:05.28 | j_k | flawd: can't you get a ssh connexion to the box or recommend #debian to your friend ? |
| 21:05.32 | phogg | tarzeau: Not really, but I've looked at almost all of the man pages for the software I have on my system, and I like to install everydamnthing. So know of it, ubt havce never done anything serious with it. |
| 21:05.33 | tarzeau | flawd: what's her ip address? |
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| 21:05.42 | kristiank | well, now Xserver does not want to boot... |
| 21:05.43 | resiak | Zimmerman: You could also test if you're root at the start of the script, and if not, run su -c /path/to/your/script , exit. |
| 21:05.48 | ej__ | is it possible that i see "fi" after "make" finished or it means that it's still proccessing? |
| 21:05.48 | flawd | tarzeau, j_k i did but the damn (sorry) box crashes everytime I ssh to it! it kernel panics lol |
| 21:05.54 | tvn | to setup a cdwriter for kern 2.4 , I modprobe sg ide-scsi , am I still missing something ? cdrecord -scanbus says cannot open dev/pg* |
| 21:05.57 | chealer | kristiank: that will just be more fun :) |
| 21:06.02 | flawd | it's like halfdead lol |
| 21:06.06 | streuner | _gentgeen_: get those games second hand, they really cheap nowadays |
| 21:06.09 | abrotman | don't listen to resiak .. he's a .. Brit! |
| 21:06.12 | tarzeau | flawd: how far is she away from you? |
| 21:06.23 | flawd | tarzeau, oh just an ocean between us |
| 21:06.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: hah |
| 21:06.24 | Zimmerman | resiak: Thank you! I think that will work! Brilliant idea! |
| 21:06.25 | flawd | :P |
| 21:06.45 | j_k | flawd: i'd guess bad RAM or abusive overclocking when things crash randomly. |
| 21:06.46 | _gentgeen_ | streuner, that was what I was thinking about if I can't grab the iso -- Ebay is my friend :-) |
| 21:06.48 | shingouz | _gentgeen_: Try the old drive with a washed cd, use some dishwashing detergent and warm water, dry it out with a soft cloth. Then go to the tools streuner mentioned and if even that fails get the machinery to polish the cd. Blockbusters may have one there to clean up their DVS's btw, maybe they would be able to ploish the cd for you if you do not want ot buy a machine yourself |
| 21:06.50 | tzafrir_home | ej__: does it take any CPU time? use top or whatever graphical equivalent |
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| 21:06.55 | abrotman | flawd: maybe use apt-setup and make a new set of sources ? |
| 21:07.02 | tarzeau | ej__: timemon.app |
| 21:07.31 | tzafrir_home | ej__: 'ps fax' will print a processes tree, which may help showing what's going on |
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| 21:07.57 | streuner | _gentgeen_: yeah, what shingouz said is ok, some CD's need some cleaning sometimes |
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| 21:08.04 | ej__ | waiting for loading xterm.system is veryyyyyyy slow |
| 21:08.09 | kristiank | chealer: I logged root on tty1, user on tty2, launched startx on tty2, and black screen everywhere, impossible to come back to tty1 |
| 21:08.09 | flawd | abrotman, you mean for the "dublicate sources" problem right |
| 21:08.19 | abrotman | what is dublicate ? |
| 21:08.20 | flawd | j_k, I think abrotman suggested bad ram also |
| 21:08.22 | abrotman | is that canadian ? |
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| 21:08.28 | simonrvn | nope |
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| 21:08.47 | slyboots | Hey |
| 21:08.53 | abrotman | flawd: bad ram for what ? |
| 21:09.10 | kristiank | rebooting |
| 21:09.11 | flawd | abrotman, wasn't it you who said it might be bad ram? |
| 21:09.12 | NOthsouth | heelo, I'm on debian sarge 2.6, trying to use apt-get, but apt can't install packges with dependencis... what should i do? |
| 21:09.20 | flawd | abrotman, are you playing wordgames? |
| 21:09.31 | abrotman | flawd: no .. but let me lastlog myself :) |
| 21:09.37 | flawd | :) |
| 21:09.44 | slyboots | Im triyng to figure out if this is possable, bttv does not reconise my TV card, but is there a way to force the driver bttv uses? |
| 21:09.47 | chealer | NOthsouth: that's a surprising diagnostic |
| 21:09.52 | abrotman | flawd: oh .. the dying ssh thingie ? |
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| 21:09.55 | flawd | yep |
| 21:09.56 | streuner | NOthsouth: look into sources.list again, and use official mirrors - throw anything out what you don't need |
| 21:10.12 | flawd | we tried 4 times |
| 21:10.12 | ej__ | got a long list from ps fax so i guess it's working. |
| 21:10.16 | abrotman | flawd: it's possible .. but other things would probably happen too .. like commands like ls/ps etc would segfault |
| 21:10.18 | flawd | after that it just gets annoying |
| 21:10.19 | ej__ | timemon.app didn't work.why is it? |
| 21:10.22 | slyboots | Its a PCTV card, (Philips chipset) I cant find any details on bttv to control it |
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| 21:10.53 | kristiank | chealer: well, now rebooted, loggd root on tty1 and user on tty2. what does I try ? |
| 21:10.56 | chealer | kristiank: I don't start x that way, but this is definitely a harder problem |
| 21:11.06 | NOthsouth | streuner, i trying to install from cds! |
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| 21:11.27 | NOthsouth | streuner, i just type, apt-setup, and put the debian cds.. |
| 21:11.32 | chealer | kristiank: start X as you do usually. is it freezing completely, or can you still ssh to it? |
| 21:11.46 | NOthsouth | streuner, there is any apt command for update the list ? ou something ? |
| 21:12.15 | luulis | How could I disable loading of the module pcspkr at boot? |
| 21:12.52 | kristiank | chealer: I'll try again, but I'm quite sure previous try stopped the machine |
| 21:12.52 | abrotman | flawd: is the machine working fine on the other end ? |
| 21:12.52 | NOthsouth | chealer, can you help me ? how did I make the apt install all pakages needs? |
| 21:12.52 | shingouz | luulis: Remove it from /etc/modules |
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| 21:13.34 | chealer | NOthsouth: apt-get should resolved the dependencies itself. if it doesn't, tell us the errors or what happens |
| 21:13.38 | dam__ | hi |
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| 21:14.43 | chealer | kristiank: maybe at this point #nvidia can better help you. these drivers aren't perfect, they do freeze my own machine sometimes |
| 21:14.56 | NOthsouth | that says, |
| 21:15.04 | luulis | shingouz: but its autoloaded |
| 21:15.08 | dam__ | I'm trying to build a custom debian from scratch cd. I get kernel panic at boot time. Does the kernel used to build the image need to have special configs ? I am using a standard debian kernel for now... |
| 21:15.21 | chealer | kristiank: but a good thing to check would be whether you're using a framebuffer |
| 21:15.26 | kristiank | chealer: no, does not stop the pc, sorry. freeze ; rebooting because I forgot configuring eth0 before |
| 21:15.34 | shingouz | luulis: You need to blacklist it then |
| 21:15.54 | luulis | shingouz: so do you know how to do that then? |
| 21:16.21 | shingouz | luulis: Haven't had to do it yet on anything |
| 21:16.28 | slyboots | Anyoen how how to force bttv to use a set driver (inputed by me) |
| 21:16.30 | Gumby | has anyone used untar in debian to untar a multi file archive? It doesnt seem to matter what I do, the files fail to extract. It either skips the file or tells me it fails. |
| 21:16.37 | streuner | NOthsouth: the box isn't connected to i-net? |
| 21:16.44 | shingouz | luulis: Hotplug and discover on your computer? |
| 21:17.06 | luulis | shingouz: hotplug but not discover |
| 21:17.18 | shingouz | !tell luulis about blacklist |
| 21:17.20 | NOthsouth | chealer, it says: that Some packages could not be installed. this maymean that you have requested an impossible situation or If you are using the unstable distribuation that some required pakeges have not yes been created our been moved outr |
| 21:17.29 | shingouz | luulis: There you should have some information about it |
| 21:17.52 | luulis | ok thanks |
| 21:17.52 | Xenguy | Hi - does anyone know of any tools that help speed up creation of a hyperlinked FAQ document? |
| 21:17.52 | streuner | NOthsouth: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 21:17.52 | chealer | NOthsouth: what's your debian release? |
| 21:18.41 | kristiank | ok, I try. Even ping is not possible |
| 21:18.50 | cockroach | hi. i'm having trouble with a soundblaster audigy 2: shortly after i start music playback (2.6.11: about 30 seconds, 2.6.12: almost immediately) the box locks up leaving the soundcard in a beeping-buzzing state. an sb live (same chip, i think) works just fine... (same box) |
| 21:19.15 | tzafrir_home | That's wierd: I had a process with a very long name. I killed it, and then the system finally managed to move on! |
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| 21:19.56 | furrywolf | woot! got some awesomely cool scope waveforms off my car. :) |
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| 21:20.24 | tzafrir_home | I'm currently using the old kernel 2.6.7-1-386, because upgrading to kernel 2.6.8-2-386 has caused very similar simptoms |
| 21:20.37 | Peter_1985 | hmm does somebody now why my dselect removes packages that i try to install ? |
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| 21:21.00 | tarzeau | cockroach: is that an isa card? ;) |
| 21:21.09 | furrywolf | the problem looks to be in the secondary side... dwell, etc is perfect, induced voltage is perfect, but you can see that sometimes there's a nice flat burn time and sometimes it just decays to zero with no spark. |
| 21:21.11 | tarzeau | Peter_1985: which are you trying to install? |
| 21:21.11 | tzafrir_home | Peter_1985: why would you use dselect and not aptitude or apt-get ? |
| 21:21.23 | cockroach | tarzeau: heh (hi, btw) - no, both are PCI |
| 21:21.25 | tarzeau | tzafrir_home: aptitude got no super cow powers |
| 21:21.35 | Peter_1985 | now i have try to install dtc a controlepanel |
| 21:21.35 | resiak | tarzeau: aptitude -v moo |
| 21:21.45 | Peter_1985 | and de .deb file is standing on my server already |
| 21:21.56 | tarzeau | resiak: hehe -vv |
| 21:22.07 | Peter_1985 | but when i try to install it whit dselect he always make a start and then removes it again :S |
| 21:22.13 | tarzeau | resiak: HAHAHA try -vvvvv |
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| 21:22.19 | furrywolf | What is it? It's an elephant being eaten by a snake, of course. |
| 21:22.20 | shingouz | furrywolf: What are you trying to do there? Install Sid on your car? |
| 21:22.20 | tarzeau | cracks me up |
| 21:22.21 | furrywolf | lol |
| 21:22.22 | flawd | tarzeau, j_k thank you for the time and effort but it seems hopeless. we are discussing reformat. one thing that speaks for a reformat is that she didnt chose a journaling filesystem anyway, which is good to have. I would go with ext3 but is there any reason I should recommend resierfs to her? |
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| 21:22.29 | resiak | tarzeau: Have done. |
| 21:22.30 | Aronofsky | hi |
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| 21:22.38 | brosio | exist a method to integrate thunderbird on kde systray ? |
| 21:22.43 | tzafrir_home | tarzeau: but does dselect provide the essential tetris feature? |
| 21:22.55 | furrywolf | shingouz: figure out why my car is only running on two cylinders. sorta like woody. :P |
| 21:22.57 | tarzeau | tzafrir_home: tetris? |
| 21:23.09 | chealer | brosio: not AFAIK |
| 21:23.11 | Aronofsky | can anyone tell me a good application to extract cd tracks directly in mp3 files ? |
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| 21:23.23 | chealer | Aronofsky: KDE has kaudiocreator |
| 21:23.24 | brosio | chealer, :° |
| 21:23.27 | cockroach | Aronofsky: abcde |
| 21:23.31 | mattbee | Aronofsky> jack is good for the console |
| 21:23.32 | shingouz | furrywolf: Hmmmm... maybe the black box. Check all the earths you have there |
| 21:23.40 | chealer | Aronofsky: I'm not sure it does mp3 though, but it can do ogg... |
| 21:23.48 | NOthsouth | chealer, 2.6 sarge |
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| 21:23.52 | furrywolf | shingouz: it's a '83 car. troubleshooting is much easier. :) |
| 21:23.58 | Aronofsky | chealer, Im on gnome |
| 21:24.02 | kristiank | chealer: I do not see any item talking about framebuffer usiing dpkg-reconfigure... |
| 21:24.04 | resiak | Aronofsky: goobox |
| 21:24.04 | shingouz | furrywolf: When was the last time you changed the plugs on it btw |
| 21:24.09 | Aronofsky | mattbee, looking for GUI |
| 21:24.10 | chealer | NOthsouth: what command did you try? |
| 21:24.11 | resiak | Aronofsky: But you'll need mp3 encoding stuffs. |
| 21:24.13 | eMerged | Seb: hey. you @ work or @ home? |
| 21:24.15 | furrywolf | shingouz: primary side looks perfect, and I've checked the engine ground. guessing probably bad wires. |
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| 21:24.27 | chealer | kristiank: do you get something on cat /proc/fb ? |
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| 21:24.28 | shingouz | furrywolf: What car and engine? |
| 21:24.29 | j_k | flawd: suggest to ask for a badblock test during the installation. I'd also recommend a memtest86 pass. |
| 21:24.31 | furrywolf | I popped the plugs out to check them... a little worn, but otherwise they look perfect. |
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| 21:25.12 | furrywolf | '83 subaru GL wagon, EA-81 engine. has the electronic ignition, but it's a rather simple one that just emulates points, and from the waveform, appears to be working perfectly. |
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| 21:25.26 | furrywolf | well, the engine is a '83, the car is a '84. :) |
| 21:25.26 | tzafrir_home | tarzeau: my mistake. I confused aptitude and mondo-rescue |
| 21:25.28 | sobersabre | guys... i have a skype problem... where shall i ask about it ( except google) ? |
| 21:25.33 | resiak | Aronofsky: Specifically, lame and liblame0 from Marillat, I think. |
| 21:26.02 | tzafrir_home | sobersabre: there are forums at skype's site, and their FAQ seems to refer you there |
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| 21:26.17 | shingouz | furrywolf: Hmmm.. a Soob.. nice. I think I might be able to help a bit but at the very moment there is something on TV that I really want to see. You going to be here in about an hour or so? |
| 21:26.21 | NOthsouth | chealer, apt-get install gnome |
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| 21:26.50 | furrywolf | shingouz: I'm just going to replace the wires, cap, rotor, and plugs... since it looks like it's in the secondary, hopefully that will make it go away. :) |
| 21:27.08 | furrywolf | ea-82s suck... timing belts every 20k miles or else. |
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| 21:27.11 | furrywolf | :P |
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| 21:27.40 | furrywolf | there's little to nothing in common between the ea-81 and ea-82... don't think any parts are compatible. |
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| 21:28.00 | shingouz | furrywolf: And the valve knock is a bitch and a half to get rid of. If you didnt already buy the parts dont do so yet, lets try a couple of tricks on it first. In about an hour? |
| 21:28.16 | furrywolf | already bought them. only cost $28 for the complete set of every part... |
| 21:28.16 | flawd | j_k, tarzeau it doesnt really matter if it ext3 or reiserfs aslong as it is a journaling system right? |
| 21:28.18 | shingouz | furrywolf: I know, I have been working on the EA-81 too.... |
| 21:28.35 | tarzeau | flawd: i disagree |
| 21:28.35 | chealer | NOthsouth: and what kind of installs work? |
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| 21:28.43 | flawd | tarzeau, please enlighten me |
| 21:28.52 | j_k | flawd: right, unless you have specific needs. |
| 21:28.58 | shingouz | furrywolf: Ok, off you go to replace them then. Do new plugs too while you're at it. I'll be back when you're ready with them ;) |
| 21:29.06 | shingouz | TV time for me... |
| 21:29.09 | dfzi | touch me, mr. pickins. |
| 21:29.11 | NOthsouth | chealer any |
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| 21:29.24 | NOthsouth | chealeri just download the install disk on debian.org |
| 21:29.30 | NOthsouth | and install the minimum packges |
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| 21:29.36 | furrywolf | sec, going to bring the scope in, and take a photo of the waveform... too bad I don't have the rs232 interface for my scope, as I can save waveforms in the 'scope's memory, but can't get them off without pointing my digicam at the screen... |
| 21:29.38 | j_k | flawd: i'd go for ext3. |
| 21:29.53 | j_k | flawd: nice to have ext2 compatibility sometimes. |
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| 21:30.03 | furrywolf | I won't be swapping them for an hour or so anyway... realized I was out of anti-sieze, and I never put plugs in without it. |
| 21:30.03 | flawd | j_k, yeah that is what I am thinking about |
| 21:30.04 | Abysmal | evening all.. I have a hardware question that is making me pull my hair out.. |
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| 21:30.28 | CosmoDad | anyone else ever experienced "API version mismatch" problems with the nvidia driver after dist-upgrading? |
| 21:30.43 | Abysmal | I have a symbios uw-scsi card 53c875.. and I cant get the damn thing to boot debian after the install.. |
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| 21:30.45 | chealer | CosmoDad: yes, are you using a 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:31.02 | jbmigel | anyone know the voodoo for AC97 sound in sarge? |
| 21:31.03 | kristiank | chealer: "cat /proc/fb" answers nothing |
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| 21:31.24 | chealer | kristiank: framebuffer shouldn't be your problem then. try getting help on #nvidia |
| 21:31.26 | CosmoDad | chealer: indeed |
| 21:31.48 | chealer | CosmoDad: you probably just need to rerun module-assistant |
| 21:31.56 | CosmoDad | chealer: I compiled it myself, just as I compiled the nvidia driver the "debian way" |
| 21:32.03 | CosmoDad | chealer: I did not upgrade my kernel, however. |
| 21:32.13 | CosmoDad | chealer: hm ok |
| 21:32.34 | chealer | CosmoDad: you need to rerun either on kernel upgrade or on driver upgrade |
| 21:32.42 | valdyn | CosmoDad: nvidia-glx was upgraded -> the module must be upgraded too, m-a can do that |
| 21:32.57 | chealer | CosmoDad: that's to remind you to praise non-free drivers |
| 21:33.04 | Abysmal | anyone? |
| 21:33.27 | chealer | NOthsouth: ok, I misinterpreted your problem. I thought you meant that only packages that needed more dependencies failed to install. run apt-setup |
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| 21:33.39 | siris | I am planning to do a Dual-boot of XP and Debian, I was wondering which OS to install first?? Will Grub/Lilo add XP? |
| 21:33.39 | CosmoDad | chealer: geez thanks for the advice. I hate these nvidia drivers, there've giving me nothing but headaches ever since I use them |
| 21:33.44 | kristiank | ok, I thank you a lot for all your help tonight. You must know all that is for configuring a lan inside a school (<12old), 13 pc, all with debian, most of them given P166, configured as TX. |
| 21:33.50 | CosmoDad | s/giving/given/ |
| 21:33.58 | chealer | CosmoDad: Amen. |
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| 21:34.08 | j_k | siris: the usual advice is windows first, unless you want you boot record eaten. |
| 21:34.18 | siris | go go Windows power eh..haha |
| 21:34.26 | IcaruS | Hi all / salut tlm :) |
| 21:34.33 | j_k | siris: and d-i should detect windows and add it as a boot option. |
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| 21:34.37 | siris | okay, thanks j_k |
| 21:34.46 | ifireball | nvidia? I just been through that hell myself... what is the right way to upgrade a module with m-a ? |
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| 21:35.00 | IcaruS | swar j_k :) |
| 21:35.09 | CosmoDad | chealer: :) |
| 21:35.18 | valdyn | ifireball: m-a a-i nvidia |
| 21:35.21 | ifireball | m-a upgrade; m-a a-i didn't sem to cut it, eventually I had to "purge" then a-i worked |
| 21:36.11 | j_k | IcaruS: vning (swar is for #debian-fr :-P) |
| 21:36.13 | jbmigel | Is ALSA configured by default install or is it up to me? |
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| 21:36.37 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 21:36.38 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 21:36.51 | IcaruS | j_k: vning :p , looks tst-like :p |
| 21:37.00 | jbmigel | valdyn thx |
| 21:37.35 | furrywolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/spark01-small.jpg <== ignition primary waveforms... the one on the left, with the nice flat burn period, is a proper spark, while the one on the right, that just decays to zero, is a misfire. |
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| 21:37.54 | valdyn | jbmigel: i see no reason why you should install "discover1", "discover" is probably better, ymmv |
| 21:38.32 | jbmigel | valdyn i hate discover whatever it is, last time i configured it and said "yes" and it ate my cdrom mounts |
| 21:38.35 | valdyn | ifireball: purge what? |
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| 21:38.45 | CosmoDad | can module-assistant actually be applied to every kernel module that lies in /usr/src/modules/ ? |
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| 21:38.58 | valdyn | CosmoDad: no |
| 21:39.06 | ifireball | valdyn: "m-a purge nvidia" |
| 21:39.19 | CosmoDad | valdyn: so it's not something like a "replacement" for make-kpkg make-modules? |
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| 21:39.42 | chealer | kristiank: cool :) |
| 21:39.47 | valdyn | CosmoDad: well, it is, but it does extracts the module source itself, unlike make-kpkg |
| 21:40.04 | CosmoDad | valdyn: so where're the major differences? |
| 21:40.49 | valdyn | CosmoDad: that m-a does more itself |
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| 21:41.32 | CosmoDad | valdyn: I see |
| 21:41.36 | valdyn | CosmoDad: m-a a-i nvidia will download, install the debian package, extract the source and build a module.. thats a few more commands via make-kpkg |
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| 21:42.03 | CosmoDad | valdyn: true |
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| 21:43.15 | axelx123 | hello |
| 21:43.34 | axelx123 | how can i change the localization of my linux? |
| 21:43.45 | maher | axelx123: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 21:44.20 | trc | anyone knows of a script to print all weeks of the year, filofax or 5.5 by 8.5 in, organizer style? the calendar mode of emacs requires moving the point week after week and gets annoying |
| 21:44.49 | valdyn | ifireball: i never needed that, maybe something else you did fscked things earlier, like nvidia.com's installer.. |
| 21:44.57 | axelx123 | maher will it reinstall all packages? |
| 21:45.04 | maher | axelx123: no |
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| 21:45.33 | axelx123 | only the charset? |
| 21:45.37 | jesus | Hola perras |
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| 21:45.55 | maher | axelx123: try it - see if it does what you want |
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| 21:46.53 | ifireball | valdyn: I donno, it worked fine the last time, this time around it just seemed to insist on reinstalling the older version |
| 21:46.56 | axelx123 | maher ok. thanx, i'll try |
| 21:46.59 | nunez | how do I make gdm not load on boot and it load to the console? |
| 21:47.15 | resiak | !nodm |
| 21:47.15 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 21:47.38 | streuner | !lart resiak for beating me again |
| 21:48.02 | resiak | streuner: /msg resiak what are you? |
| 21:48.23 | resiak | /msg streuner i'm a blootbot. |
| 21:48.39 | streuner | resiak: you are surley not a winner :-) |
| 21:48.51 | resiak | streuner: i don't know, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 21:49.28 | CosmoDad | ok I did re-do m-a which installed the new nvidia driver, but now X complains that it cannot find any nvidia driver |
| 21:49.42 | nunez | resiak: Thanks |
| 21:49.43 | CosmoDad | I checked /lib/modules/<uname- r>/, the .ko module exists, however |
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| 21:49.58 | tzafrir_home | hmm... my clock problems weren't solved after all |
| 21:50.03 | chealer | CosmoDad: is the kernel module loaded? |
| 21:50.04 | nunez | Whats the chmod command that makes it so a file is read-only even to root? |
| 21:50.21 | CosmoDad | chealer: argh no I don't think so |
| 21:50.28 | CosmoDad | chealer: thought X does that by itself |
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| 21:50.41 | streuner | nunez: read FAQ /msg dpkg faq (section permissions) |
| 21:50.43 | tzafrir_home | nunez: a read-only filesystem |
| 21:50.49 | CosmoDad | chealer: and yes, it was loaded before... |
| 21:50.56 | CosmoDad | chealer: I will reload it... |
| 21:51.09 | nunez | ight, thanks |
| 21:51.12 | ifireball | CosmoDad: you're probably having the same problem I just did, unlaod and relaod the module and take note of it exact version |
| 21:51.13 | chealer | CosmoDad: unfortunately not... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=267799 |
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| 21:53.24 | CosmoDad | chealer: I reloaded, still it's not working.. the thread is quite long, guess you already read it, is there more to this nvidia bug than a simple "won't load module" ? |
| 21:54.50 | CosmoDad | ifireball: didn't help. |
| 21:55.00 | CosmoDad | ifireball: how'd I get the version of a module again? |
| 21:55.06 | furrywolf | found a bug in gimp-print. if a printer name has parens in it (as gnome-cups-manager insists on using), gimp-print breaks unless you edit the printer settings and escape the parens. |
| 21:55.29 | Souza10 | streuner: http://recover.sourceforge.net/linux/recover/ it worked |
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| 21:56.16 | ifireball | CosmoDad: afaik it writes it on when the module is being loaded |
| 21:56.18 | chealer | CosmoDad: no, if the module was loaded manually, paste the exact error msg |
| 21:56.57 | ifireball | CosmoDad: rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia |
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| 21:57.44 | mariosn | how do I enable swat? |
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| 21:58.10 | streuner | Souza10: that works if the HD isn't full, but backups are usually a better choice |
| 21:58.11 | CosmoDad | ifireball, chealer: I get no errors, the module loads successfully |
| 21:58.43 | CosmoDad | ifireball: I get no explicit positive return, however, but lsmod shows it's there... |
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| 21:59.12 | maher | CosmoDad: that means it worked |
| 21:59.36 | maher | CosmoDad: is X complaining about the kernel module or some X module |
| 21:59.44 | CosmoDad | hold on... |
| 21:59.47 | chealer | CosmoDad: I mean when you start X ("X complains that it cannot find any nvidia driver") |
| 22:00.00 | CosmoDad | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 22:00.01 | Souza10 | streuner: I've just finished a new script and before backup ou even test it I copy another file on it. So the problem is not backup |
| 22:00.17 | maher | CosmoDad: that's a complaint about the X driver not the kernel module |
| 22:00.19 | Souza10 | the problem is in my brain |
| 22:00.25 | CosmoDad | maher: exactly |
| 22:00.26 | Souza10 | :-) |
| 22:00.28 | jbmigel | apt-get iq |
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| 22:00.51 | CosmoDad | plus: "(EE) no drivers available" |
| 22:00.52 | ifireball | CosmoDad: if we're having the same problem you probably still have the 7167 version installed even though X needs 7174 and m-a insists to have installed it |
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| 22:01.09 | maher | CosmoDad: check your nvidia module is in the place Xis lookign for it |
| 22:01.22 | CosmoDad | ifireball: my version is nvidia-kernel-2.6.8.2005-03-07_1.0.7174-3+custom.1.1_i386.deb |
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| 22:01.50 | jbmigel | why is nvidia driver so easy to install yet ATI is so hard? |
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| 22:01.54 | chealer | CosmoDad: you have nvidia-glx installed? |
| 22:02.03 | simonrvn | @be an ati baribie |
| 22:02.09 | simonrvn | !be an ati baribie |
| 22:02.16 | simonrvn | ... |
| 22:02.19 | jbmigel | ? |
| 22:02.20 | simonrvn | !be an ati barbie |
| 22:02.21 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 22:02.39 | CosmoDad | chealer: darn no, but m-a told me it did... |
| 22:02.56 | ifireball | CosmoDad: try starting X with satrtx and take a look at the standart output, in my case it told me all I needed to know, and it didn't put it in the logs for some reason |
| 22:02.56 | CosmoDad | chealer: seems like it's not keeping it... |
| 22:03.19 | chealer | CosmoDad: really? AFAIK m-a doesn't know about nvidia-glx |
| 22:03.31 | mariosn | nobody uses SWAT ? |
| 22:03.32 | ifireball | CosmoDad: nvidia-glx != nvidia driver! |
| 22:03.48 | CosmoDad | ifireball: yes I no |
| 22:04.02 | CosmoDad | I'm either going crazy or I really saw m-a installing nvidia-glx... |
| 22:04.18 | CosmoDad | know even |
| 22:04.32 | chealer | CosmoDad: it looks like your upgrade removed the package then. be careful about what pacakges dist-upgrade removes |
| 22:04.59 | chealer | CosmoDad: just being crazy is more likely |
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| 22:05.19 | cafuego | ifireball: nvidia-glx == nvidia driver (just for X, not the kernel) |
| 22:05.36 | tzafrir_home | voodoo time: my system clock seems to want constant input in a virtual terminal in order to advance. constantly typing ocmmands at the console works. How do I send commands to the console device? |
| 22:05.45 | tzafrir_home | (as if from my keyboard?) |
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| 22:06.10 | dondelelcaro | hrm... exciting... 3 ladder trucks, 2 pumpers, a command vehicle, and numerous other squad trucks and ambulances just arrived on campus |
| 22:06.24 | dli | tzafrir: for sys clock? you should use ntp |
| 22:06.34 | maher | dondelelcaro: they found out you used vi |
| 22:06.42 | LuPuZ | Hey... i need some help with Xfree86 ... i get errors when trying to start it... i have gone through the config... can post the error message in #flood if someone can have a look |
| 22:06.46 | tzafrir_home | dli: you missed the excitement. my system clock goes bananas. |
| 22:06.47 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: you didn't set anything on fire, did you? |
| 22:06.53 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: no, not my building... |
| 22:07.02 | dli | LuPuZ: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:07.09 | LuPuZ | i have dli |
| 22:07.13 | tzafrir_home | dli: ntp is not good enough, because the changes are too fast |
| 22:07.15 | LuPuZ | and i got this error after that |
| 22:07.16 | maher | tzafrir_home: something is broken - try some different kernels - if they all have this problem buy some hardware that works... |
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| 22:07.32 | LuPuZ | posted in #flood now |
| 22:07.57 | tzafrir_home | maher: I've tried some other kernels. But I really really need this system working. I know something is badly broken. |
| 22:07.58 | CosmoDad | alright it's working now, thanks everybody! |
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| 22:08.02 | dli | LuPuZ: what video card? |
| 22:08.07 | CosmoDad | gotta remember this next time I upgrade... |
| 22:08.11 | LuPuZ | Ati rage 128 |
| 22:08.38 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: perhaps then someone set a building on fire to prevent the teaching of evolution. |
| 22:08.43 | streuner | LuPuZ: lspci -v | grep VGA |
| 22:08.47 | tzafrir_home | maher: but for now I have a workaround that works, and I want to automate it |
| 22:08.49 | maher | tzafrir_home: if the clock won't work w/out random stuff happening it won't keep reliable time - do you really need the clock to work? |
| 22:09.26 | LuPuZ | with that streauner i get: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
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| 22:09.50 | tzafrir_home | maher, I just don't want the screen saver to start at random :-( (and generally the system to misbehave) |
| 22:09.51 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: no, it's the chemistry building... supposedly there was a small explosion... I'd bet that a bottle of ether exploded, and lit a few other things on fire |
| 22:09.52 | dli | LuPuZ: you chose ati in dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 22:10.00 | LuPuZ | yes |
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| 22:10.14 | dli | LuPuZ: oh, X already on :0 |
| 22:10.18 | xiaogil | I have a local web server on a wifi laptop, a friend of mine would to log on it without going through the internet (he has a wifi laptop too). How can I do that ? |
| 22:10.21 | dli | LuPuZ: kill it |
| 22:10.30 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: Wow, hope everyone's OK, that's a pretty good turnout re. the fire dept. |
| 22:10.30 | LuPuZ | how? |
| 22:10.55 | dli | LuPuZ: something like "/etc/init.d/xdm stop" |
| 22:11.04 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: looks like it... but I don't really know. The entire area has already been cordoned off. |
| 22:11.08 | miss_Brightside | do you know if ifconfig is already in the kernel or you have to download it? |
| 22:11.15 | dli | LuPuZ: oh, simply "ps afx", kill those X |
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| 22:11.25 | tzafrir_home | again, how do I write a script that will send commands as if they were from a virtual console device? |
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| 22:11.30 | dli | LuPuZ: or, "killall X" |
| 22:11.49 | LuPuZ | Wed May 11 00:09:28 2005 xdm error (pid 2456): extra arguments on command line:Wed May 11 00:09:28 2005 xdm error (pid 2456): "stop"Wed May 11 00:09:28 2005 xdm error (pid 2456): |
| 22:11.58 | LuPuZ | is it killed now? |
| 22:12.10 | maher | miss_Brightside: its in net-tools |
| 22:12.27 | cinix | I have a tmpfs fs in my fstab that creates a 362.6MB ram partition, where does that number come from? |
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| 22:12.27 | dli | LuPuZ: just kill all X, "killall X", or "pkill X" |
| 22:12.31 | nz17 | When I run X I keep getting the message "Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0" |
| 22:12.46 | streuner | LuPuZ: try 'skill -c xdm |
| 22:12.46 | dli | LuPuZ: are you using xdm ? |
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| 22:13.13 | dli | streuner: don't know whether he is using xdm? |
| 22:13.31 | streuner | dli: i don't know it either |
| 22:13.34 | LuPuZ | i dunno if i use xdm |
| 22:13.35 | nz17 | What could be the cause of these messages? |
| 22:13.47 | dli | streuner: I think it's safe to "killall X" |
| 22:13.53 | LuPuZ | used it |
| 22:13.58 | LuPuZ | no processes found |
| 22:14.04 | LuPuZ | so i guess it's killed :P |
| 22:14.15 | dli | LuPuZ: try again, "startx" |
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| 22:14.59 | LuPuZ | hmmm |
| 22:15.00 | dogwater | is there a glibc 2.3 package? |
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| 22:15.06 | LuPuZ | posting what i got in #flood |
| 22:15.14 | dogwater | i only see 2.1 and 2.2 in apt-cache search |
| 22:15.16 | k31th | can different users access the same mysql record at the same time ? and save to it |
| 22:15.23 | dogwater | sure k31th |
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| 22:15.33 | LuPuZ | seems i got kicked :P |
| 22:15.37 | miss_Brightside | I have found net-tools but there is no ifconfig in it |
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| 22:15.58 | maher | miss_Brightside: should be /sbin/ifconfig |
| 22:16.50 | dogwater | has anyone seen a glibc 2.3 package anywhere? |
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| 22:16.57 | miss_Brightside | command not found :( |
| 22:16.59 | LuPuZ | did you get the whole message in #flood? |
| 22:17.00 | dogwater | for 3.0? |
| 22:17.12 | streuner | dogwater: upgrade to sarge |
| 22:17.25 | dogwater | well i cant really do that |
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| 22:17.39 | dli | dogwater: libc6 ? |
| 22:17.43 | allanw | does anyone know of a linux mpeg/avi joiner? |
| 22:17.57 | dogwater | dli: is that glibc 2.3? i get an error telling me this program requires 2.3 when i run this thing |
| 22:18.13 | dli | dogwater: "dpkg -s libc6" |
| 22:18.18 | streuner | dogwater: does that 'thing' have a name? |
| 22:18.26 | dogwater | men and mice quickdns |
| 22:18.43 | streuner | what's that? |
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| 22:18.50 | dli | allanw: I think mencoder can do it, but I'm no expert |
| 22:18.56 | allanw | dli, k thanks |
| 22:18.58 | dogwater | lets people who dont know how to run named run named its for a client |
| 22:19.04 | miss_Brightside | ok, the reason why I needed ifconfig is that I need to see the ethernet card |
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| 22:19.24 | miss_Brightside | and there is no ifconfig apparently |
| 22:19.26 | dogwater | ./qdnsremoted: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by ./qdnsremoted) |
| 22:19.27 | dli | dogwater: I use bind9 |
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| 22:19.31 | dogwater | thats what it says |
| 22:19.33 | maher | miss_Brightside: what version of debian |
| 22:19.41 | dli | miss_Brightside: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 22:19.56 | streuner | dogwater: as i told you before upgrade to sarge, there is no other way |
| 22:20.05 | redguy | Howdy. I have just upgraded to 2.6 kernel on my router box. After booting syslog is flooded with "PnPBIOS: pnp_dock_thread: invalid function number passed". This seems to be an issue with a buggy bios. Is there a way (other than switching off ACPI support either in the kernel or the bios) to stop the flood? |
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| 22:20.20 | miss_Brightside | it is not in /sbin/ifconfig, this means that I don't have ifconfig |
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| 22:20.33 | maher | miss_Brightside: what version of debian |
| 22:20.34 | dli | miss_Brightside: apt-get install net-tools |
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| 22:20.37 | abrotman | !find bin/ifconfig |
| 22:20.44 | dli | miss_Brightside: debian? |
| 22:20.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ifconfig' (1): (/sbin/ifconfig) in net/net-tools. |
| 22:20.55 | dogwater | guess i'll downgrade it to 4.61 |
| 22:20.58 | miss_Brightside | I don't know what version |
| 22:20.59 | spencerk | so is stable sarge expected this month? |
| 22:21.08 | simonrvn | if all goes well |
| 22:21.13 | spencerk | wheee |
| 22:21.18 | streuner | spencerk: when its ready, nobody knows... |
| 22:21.19 | abrotman | spencerk: dunno .. bugs.debian.org/release-critical .. SIYH |
| 22:21.21 | dli | abrotman: apt-get --reinstall install net-tools |
| 22:21.29 | abrotman | dli: not me .. miss |
| 22:21.30 | dli | abrotman: sorry, for miss_Brightside |
| 22:21.32 | maher | miss_Brightside: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:21.51 | ethics | it says in the prophecy that "one distro may rise from the pack unless shit still ain't right around the end of the month |
| 22:22.35 | spencerk | what does siyh mean |
| 22:22.43 | abrotman | !siyh |
| 22:22.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 22:22.45 | paulswm | !siyh |
| 22:22.52 | abrotman | !prise paulswm |
| 22:22.57 | l4vim | hello, I want to make my own debian mirror automaticly updated (like rsync or someting) to make possible faster install/upgrade debian for my users. What should I use ? |
| 22:22.58 | paulswm | !lart abrotman |
| 22:22.59 | miss_Brightside | debian is 3.1 |
| 22:23.04 | k31th | right with MySQL if someone opens a record, is that record locked by the first person that opens it , so that others cant write to it at the same time as you ? |
| 22:23.07 | spencerk | !siyh |
| 22:23.07 | dpkg | hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 22:23.08 | dli | l4vim: FAI |
| 22:23.16 | spencerk | ahh thank you |
| 22:23.21 | abrotman | dli: uhm .. that doesnt' help him |
| 22:23.28 | abrotman | l4vim: how many users ? |
| 22:23.29 | Spurty | ok, back to the bbq |
| 22:23.38 | dli | abrotman: fai is fast :( |
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| 22:23.52 | l4vim | abrotman : there is something about 1000 |
| 22:23.53 | abrotman | dli: he wants a mirror-ish thing |
| 22:24.05 | abrotman | l4vim: one thing you might find useful is apt-proxy |
| 22:24.09 | l4vim | abrotman : I don't know how many use linux |
| 22:24.15 | abrotman | l4vim: FAI is for scripted installs |
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| 22:24.26 | abrotman | l4vim: how many debian desktops ? |
| 22:24.28 | dli | abrotman: apt-proxy is still script based ? |
| 22:24.41 | abrotman | dli: FAI is for install .. not a mirror/proxy for package install |
| 22:24.55 | l4vim | abrotman : I want run anonymous ftp server with packages that could be used as apt-source |
| 22:25.02 | ethics | l4vim:http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 22:25.26 | l4vim | thank you for advices |
| 22:25.27 | abrotman | l4vim: using your own repository is bandwidth intensive because you sync every night .. apt-proxy will cache the packages that are installed |
| 22:25.28 | ethics | l4vim, i think thats what you need |
| 22:25.29 | miss_Brightside | apt-get asks me for password |
| 22:25.34 | dli | abrotman: apt-proxy is perfect in caching, but unstable, since it's scripts based |
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| 22:25.44 | Esotericisms | when I type 'xdm' at the cli ... nothing happens can anyone help? |
| 22:25.54 | maher | miss_Brightside: yes - you'll need the root assword |
| 22:26.00 | Spurty | lol |
| 22:26.00 | ifireball | anyone can recommmand a good remote backup system for linux? something that can ftp upload the files or maybe email (gmail ;) them away? |
| 22:26.02 | dli | miss_Brightside: passwd for what? |
| 22:26.02 | luulis | I just upgraded my graphics card to radeon 9250 using radeon driver, now i cant play any video, mplayer freezes and totem says "Totem could not startup: No reason". Where should I look for the reason for that? |
| 22:26.07 | abrotman | dli: but if you have 400 desktops .. and they all get the same packages etc .. apt-proxy will make it much faster .. LAN cache of packages |
| 22:26.31 | l4vim | abrotman : I have something about 12mbit's not used every night |
| 22:26.40 | Guerin | ifireball: ftp is a very poor way of backing up, and gmail... welll.... |
| 22:26.46 | miss_Brightside | apt get asks for a password |
| 22:26.47 | dli | abrotman: I'm using apt-proxy, but have to "/etc/init.d/apt-proxy restart", quite often |
| 22:26.57 | miss_Brightside | don't know if it's root password |
| 22:26.57 | abrotman | l4vim: you could mirror if you choose .. but it's probably a waste .. unless you'd like to run a public mirror to help debian :) |
| 22:26.59 | Spurty | ? |
| 22:27.08 | maher | miss_Brightside: try it and see |
| 22:27.10 | dli | miss_Brightside: are you root? |
| 22:27.12 | Guerin | ifireball: i use rsnapshot, which runs rsync over ssh |
| 22:27.17 | NOthsouth | what is the bigger and best debian 2.6 repositori? |
| 22:27.24 | dli | maher: no, never try root passwd :9 |
| 22:27.28 | abrotman | debian 2.6 ? |
| 22:27.34 | NOthsouth | debian sarge |
| 22:27.35 | NOthsouth | :D |
| 22:27.44 | dli | NOthsouth: apt-setup |
| 22:27.45 | simonrvn | what? |
| 22:27.49 | abrotman | NOthsouth: apt-spy |
| 22:27.52 | ifireball | Guerin: well I ain't exatcly running anything critical over here, I'm just too lazy to perl away my own set of backup scripts |
| 22:27.54 | Guerin | NOthsouth: they're all the same, mate. That's why they call them 'mirrors' |
| 22:28.10 | miss_Brightside | ok thanx a lot |
| 22:28.10 | paulswm | !prize Guerin |
| 22:28.10 | maher | ifireball: so am i - that's why i use dirvish |
| 22:28.31 | Guerin | yogi! |
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| 22:28.42 | dli | miss_Brightside: your system behaviors strangely |
| 22:28.48 | abrotman | like it's not debian :) |
| 22:28.49 | Guerin | behaves |
| 22:28.56 | l4vim | abrotman : with plesure - but I'm only a worker not owner of company - I can help when I'll propagate to use debian with our customers connected to Internet by our company |
| 22:28.57 | paulswm | Smarter than the average bear! |
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| 22:29.12 | Spurty | miss_Brightside, are you using sudo and have it configured funky? |
| 22:29.15 | allanw | cool, cat video1.mpg video2.mpg > video.mpg worked |
| 22:29.16 | allanw | :) |
| 22:29.20 | abrotman | !apt-proxy |
| 22:29.20 | dpkg | apt-proxy is probably a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. Watch out for the upcoming 1.3.0 version which supports http backends too |
| 22:29.27 | abrotman | l4vim: i really think that's what you want |
| 22:29.39 | Esotericisms | I type 'xdm' and the screen flashes a couple times and then the command line just re-appears |
| 22:29.42 | Esotericisms | can anyone help? |
| 22:29.49 | abrotman | Esotericisms: check your logs |
| 22:29.54 | Esotericisms | which one? |
| 22:29.57 | furrywolf | I should mess with apt-proxy... currently have 5 debian boxes here... could use 1/5th the bandwidth... heh |
| 22:29.59 | Guerin | Esotericisms: killall xdm && xdm |
| 22:30.05 | abrotman | Esotericisms: and most people start it via /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 22:30.06 | dli | abrotman: I think it's apt-proxy-v2, am I correct? |
| 22:30.10 | Guerin | i get this regularly |
| 22:30.20 | abrotman | dli: i'm sure that factoid is outdated .. but the idea is there |
| 22:30.25 | Guerin | oh yeah, it has an init script |
| 22:30.28 | Guerin | duh |
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| 22:30.53 | abrotman | Esotericisms: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 22:31.21 | dli | furrywolf: and apt-proxy allows you to use more than one mirror |
| 22:31.24 | systemadmin | is there anyway to diable the part of wget that makes a folder with the url that you got a file from? |
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| 22:31.32 | technos | allanw: That will work like 70% of the time. I used to have a sript that concatenated mpeg-1 streams that way, 70% of the time they came out okay, 25% of the time they came out usable, 5% of the time they were garbage at the join point. |
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| 22:31.35 | nomed^ | hi |
| 22:31.36 | Guerin | systemadmin: man wget |
| 22:31.44 | paulswm | systemadmin: man wget tells you that |
| 22:31.49 | nomed^ | how to create a tar archive from a folder? |
| 22:31.50 | Esotericisms | hrm ... "fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 22:31.51 | dli | systemadmin: wget -r ? I think |
| 22:31.51 | allanw | technos, hmm i only tried it on two |
| 22:31.53 | paulswm | crap |
| 22:31.56 | abrotman | man tar! |
| 22:31.59 | Esotericisms | what does that mean exactly? |
| 22:32.00 | furrywolf | ali: d'oh. opposite direction of what I need then. :P |
| 22:32.02 | Guerin | dli: NO |
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| 22:32.06 | abrotman | !tell Esotericisms about no screens found |
| 22:32.14 | technos | allanw: Just don't count on it working on all players forever is what I'm saying. :) |
| 22:32.24 | dli | nomed^: tar jcf blah.tbz blahfolder |
| 22:32.44 | l4vim | thank you and bye |
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| 22:32.55 | abrotman | dli: that's a bit more than what he asked for |
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| 22:32.57 | Esotericisms | "(EE) screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration" |
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| 22:33.02 | dli | !tell dli about no screens found |
| 22:33.04 | Guerin | Esotericisms: reconfigure |
| 22:33.11 | abrotman | !why is gnomebaker not in testing |
| 22:33.12 | dpkg | gnomebaker is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnomebaker |
| 22:33.24 | raf256 | I installed apache2-mod-chroot - is this enought to have apache2 in chroot, how to check if the apache is actaully running inside a chroot? |
| 22:33.29 | technos | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing. |
| 22:33.35 | technos | Grr |
| 22:33.42 | Guerin | raf256: read httpd.conf |
| 22:33.43 | Esotericisms | reconfigure how exactly? |
| 22:33.48 | spencerk | debian boots to text mode now, is there a command to enter the gui? |
| 22:33.50 | luulis | I just upgraded my graphics card to radeon 9250 using radeon driver, now i cant play any video files, mplayer freezes and totem says "Totem could not startup: No reason" but displaying webcam video and tv from tv-card works fine . Where should I look for the reason for that? |
| 22:33.51 | Guerin | !drxx Esotericisms |
| 22:33.52 | dpkg | Esotericisms: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 22:33.52 | abrotman | !drxx Esotericisms |
| 22:34.11 | Guerin | luulis: that's a great error message they threw your way. |
| 22:34.12 | abrotman | luulis: you did tell X to use that driver right ? |
| 22:34.19 | dli | Esotericisms: should dpkg-reconfigure fail, try "X -configure", only if dpkg fails |
| 22:34.23 | raf256 | Guerin: I dont have any entries about chroot in httpd.conf, but I put mod-chroot as symlink into mods-enabled |
| 22:34.32 | Guerin | no, never use X --configure |
| 22:34.47 | shingouz | furrywolf: Back |
| 22:34.47 | luulis | abrotman: yes it uses the 'radeon' driver |
| 22:34.55 | abrotman | luulis: any errors in your X logs ? |
| 22:34.56 | Esotericisms | what drive is for an nvidia card? |
| 22:35.00 | Esotericisms | driver* |
| 22:35.04 | dli | luulis: recompile mplayer? |
| 22:35.10 | Guerin | raf256: are those config files Include'd by httpd.conf? |
| 22:35.14 | luulis | abrotman: hm, I'll check that shortly.. |
| 22:35.24 | dli | Guerin: never say never |
| 22:35.26 | luulis | dli: its from marillat repository |
| 22:35.27 | suffer451 | i cant write to my cd-rw drive with cdrecord or using the built in cd writer in nautilus |
| 22:35.28 | Guerin | dli: jesus, you come up with the stupidest ideas |
| 22:35.32 | suffer451 | any help? |
| 22:35.38 | Esotericisms | anyone know what drive is needed for a nvidia chipset? |
| 22:35.41 | Guerin | if you don't have a clue what the problem is, don't bother guessing |
| 22:35.43 | raf256 | Guerin: no, but I realy think that on debian apche2 loads all modules that are in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled doesnt it? |
| 22:35.47 | dli | luulis: mplayer docs say you should compile yourself |
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| 22:36.09 | abrotman | dli: are you going to help him with stow ? |
| 22:36.32 | dli | Esotericisms: you need the nvidia driver, I think |
| 22:36.33 | Guerin | raf256: I use apache1. My point is that if there's chroot action, it'll be mentioned in the config file. If not; the module might be loaded, but if it ain't being used, then... |
| 22:36.35 | moustic | has someone detected some overload cpu, using libxvidcore4 1.1.0-beta2-0 ? |
| 22:36.39 | Guerin | dli: fuck off |
| 22:36.43 | Guerin | !moron dli |
| 22:36.44 | dpkg | dli: You are moron #87 |
| 22:36.49 | dli | Esotericisms: or try the nv driver in dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 22:36.56 | raf256 | Guerin: then what should I do besides apt-get this apache2-mod-chroot |
| 22:37.02 | Guerin | he's using a RADEON. those are made by ATI. ATI is NOT nvidia. |
| 22:37.06 | abrotman | dli: jesyus .. you didnt' even ask him which card he has .. or if he wants DRI |
| 22:37.13 | abrotman | Guerin: wrong person |
| 22:37.23 | furrywolf | shingouz: did you see my shiny waveform picture? :) |
| 22:37.25 | abrotman | Guerin: one guy has radeon issues .. Esotericisms has nvidia |
| 22:37.33 | suifur | !fuck dli |
| 22:37.39 | abrotman | luulis: has radeon |
| 22:37.50 | luulis | abrotman: well, X logs have no errors that matter, just some APM errors |
| 22:37.50 | shingouz | furrywolf: Nope, not yet but I believe you are going to post a link ;) |
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| 22:38.00 | Guerin | raf256: read /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-chroot/examples/ |
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| 22:38.08 | Guerin | gah, I'm stupid this morning |
| 22:38.09 | furrywolf | shingouz: http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/spark01-small.jpg <== left, with the nice burn period, is a normal spark, right, that just decays to zero, is a misfire. |
| 22:38.11 | Esotericisms | restarting my machine ... making sure I know exactly which card I have |
| 22:38.15 | abrotman | luulis: which apps crash |
| 22:38.21 | abrotman | Esotericisms: lspci -v |
| 22:38.24 | luulis | totem and mplayer |
| 22:38.29 | shingouz | furrywolf: checking.. |
| 22:38.31 | Esotericisms | that works too :/ |
| 22:38.39 | abrotman | luulis: both playing video ? |
| 22:38.43 | technos | For the record.. If you mis-seat the daughtercard on a Outfield-era HP video card, it won't lock the system on boot, it won't evaporate it's magical smoke, it will just simply not switch to the serial port console. :) |
| 22:38.55 | Souza10 | why am I getting this error when I run "openssl ca -gencrl -out crl.pem"? 5853:error:0E06D0C:configuration file routines:NCONF_get_string:no value:conf_lib.c:329:group=CA_default name=unique_subject |
| 22:38.58 | shingouz | furrywolf: Connection refused? |
| 22:39.09 | abrotman | Souza10: holy crap :) |
| 22:39.11 | furrywolf | shingouz: umm. loads fine here. sec, reloading. |
| 22:39.19 | furrywolf | still loads fine here... |
| 22:39.21 | abrotman | Souza10: that said .. make-ssl-cert |
| 22:39.21 | simonrvn | Souza10: missing conf option |
| 22:39.39 | luulis | abrotman: I tried playing a few video files with them with those errors |
| 22:39.49 | abrotman | luulis: totem works ok with mp3 or ogg ? |
| 22:40.22 | Souza10 | why? |
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| 22:40.27 | abrotman | why what? |
| 22:40.29 | dli | luulis: mplayer has a rather complete troubleshooting section in docs |
| 22:40.33 | suffer451 | if i want to update my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 do i just need to install the new kernel image from apt? |
| 22:40.45 | shingouz | suffer451: Yes |
| 22:40.57 | suffer451 | shingouz: thanks |
| 22:40.57 | NOthsouth | hey |
| 22:40.59 | redguy | Does acpi=off kernel parameter turn ACPI off? |
| 22:41.08 | NOthsouth | I have 3 cds of debian sarge linux.. |
| 22:41.09 | Esotericisms | abrotman, I have a nvidia corp nv11 (geforce2 mx/mx 400) (rel a1) (prog-if 00 [vga]) |
| 22:41.18 | Esotericisms | so I am assuming I should use the NV driver in the setup? |
| 22:41.18 | furrywolf | shingouz: the photo is the voltage across the coil, for primary relative to ground, invert and add 12v. |
| 22:41.20 | abrotman | Esotericisms: and you want to play games ? |
| 22:41.20 | Souza10 | abrotman: Why is the command wrong? How would it be? |
| 22:41.20 | luulis | abrotman: yes those seem to work.. also the visualizer works |
| 22:41.20 | shingouz | redguy: It should turn it off, yes |
| 22:41.26 | NOthsouth | and I just download the installation disk ftom debian,org |
| 22:41.39 | abrotman | Souza10: i'm just saying to use make-ssl-cert .. covers most cases |
| 22:41.42 | NOthsouth | I just install debian from the downloades disk.. |
| 22:41.56 | NOthsouth | but, now I can't use apt get for install debian pakages |
| 22:41.59 | abrotman | luulis: you have the codecs from mplayer.hu ? |
| 22:42.00 | NOthsouth | from the cdroms |
| 22:42.06 | Esotericisms | abrotman, no this is for my pvr box (myth tv) |
| 22:42.07 | abrotman | luulis: which backend for totem ? |
| 22:42.15 | Esotericisms | I just want to get my gui working |
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| 22:42.23 | abrotman | Esotericisms: i guess nv would work .. no DRI though .. afaik |
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| 22:42.33 | redguy | shingouz: It sounded stupid, but I wanted to make sure :-) |
| 22:42.35 | shingouz | furrywolf: Still refused. Just shoot it off to me |
| 22:42.36 | abrotman | NOthsouth: this is bad how ? |
| 22:42.38 | Esotericisms | what is DRI? |
| 22:42.41 | abrotman | !dri |
| 22:42.41 | dpkg | somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, now available in xfree86 4.0, see http://dri.sourceforge.net , or at #dri, or /join #dri |
| 22:42.47 | Esotericisms | ah |
| 22:42.50 | furrywolf | shingouz: it's getting a good 13v, and an adaquate dwell period, so it's unlikely to be a problem in the primary side... it has good coil oscillations, so the coil is likely good... but it's not sparking. I'd say a secondary problem. :) |
| 22:42.54 | luulis | abrotman: gstreamer |
| 22:42.55 | shingouz | redguy: Better ask once you have done the homework just to be sure |
| 22:43.00 | furrywolf | shingouz: easier said than done. :P |
| 22:43.04 | abrotman | luulis: but you have the win32 codecs right ? |
| 22:43.05 | shingouz | oh |
| 22:43.17 | furrywolf | can someone else check that url? if my web server is refusing connections randomly, would be nice to know. |
| 22:43.24 | chealer | heh, "now available in xfree86 4.0" :) |
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| 22:43.45 | Esotericisms | which field from lspci is the video cards bus identifier? |
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| 22:43.53 | abrotman | Esotericisms: leave it blank |
| 22:44.00 | technos | MacGyver rocks. |
| 22:44.06 | luulis | abrotman: yes the w32codecs package, i also tried playing xvid files to test its not win32 codec specific and those didnt work either |
| 22:44.20 | abrotman | luulis: xvid doesn't use win32 codecs ? |
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| 22:44.23 | shingouz | furrywolf: So you replaced the points, condenser and plugs? How about the secondary wires and boots? I have seen similar problems if the boots have been ever so slightly corroded. Some WD40 usually cures it |
| 22:44.24 | Esotericisms | abrotman, should I just leave everything their defaults during reconfig? |
| 22:44.27 | bonggnu | rareswaves.org there has vid codecs |
| 22:44.30 | abrotman | Esotericisms: you can try it |
| 22:44.33 | furrywolf | and seeing as it's a debian box with debian packaged apache, it's definitely nice to know. :) |
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| 22:45.04 | shingouz | furrywolf: Out of curiosity, what are you using as a scope? |
| 22:45.14 | furrywolf | shingouz: no points. it's electronic. except all the electronic module does is emulate points... (completely self-contained; all it knows is the rotation angle of the distributer) |
| 22:45.31 | shingouz | furrywolf: Hall or optical? |
| 22:45.32 | Esotericisms | damnit it just keeps on blinking and then drops back to the cli |
| 22:45.51 | abrotman | luulis: i'm fairly confused .. and might say to ask #xfree86 if they are aware of a problem with the radeon driver |
| 22:45.57 | furrywolf | shingouz: my TDS-210... sadly, I lack the rs232 module for it. so I can save waveforms in the scope's memory (like I did with that one), but the only way to get them off is by taking a photo of the screen. blah. |
| 22:45.58 | abrotman | Esotericisms: look for EE lines in your logs |
| 22:46.12 | Esotericisms | yeah found one ... failed to open framebuffer |
| 22:46.19 | furrywolf | shingouz: hall. and since the dwell is perfect, don't think it's the problem. |
| 22:46.28 | technos | furrywolf: Just swap it for a $7 generic coil. It costs less to swap and return than do a proper debug these days, heh. |
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| 22:46.48 | Spurty | mem[ 966.17/1011.76 MB (95.5% [||||||||||])] swap[ 2.8599999999999/972.68 MB (0.3% [----------])] disk[ 35772.15/128051.41 MB (27.9% [|||-------]) (WDC WD2000JB-00DUA3)] |
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| 22:47.02 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: run! |
| 22:47.08 | furrywolf | shingouz: haven't replaced anything yet... was waiting to see if you had any ideas I didn't have. :) |
| 22:47.09 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 22:47.15 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's getting wacky in here :) |
| 22:47.16 | raf256 | Guerin: thnx, I read it now and set up the httpd.conf accordinly. Now how to make shure if chroot is working? |
| 22:47.22 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 22:47.28 | FieldySnuts | I bet it's Phateds fault |
| 22:47.31 | FieldySnuts | !blame Phated |
| 22:47.35 | abrotman | no .. Phated's been quiet |
| 22:47.40 | FieldySnuts | till now |
| 22:47.49 | abrotman | !magic hate ball |
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| 22:48.00 | FieldySnuts | heh I didn't know about tha tone |
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| 22:48.12 | luulis | abrotman: well thanks for your help anyway, i'll see if I could make it work modifying X config file.. |
| 22:48.32 | abrotman | luulis: are all your extensions loaded ? |
| 22:48.42 | Esotericisms | abrotman, it is failing to open frame buffer |
| 22:48.44 | furrywolf | shingouz: it's not visible in the photo, but the induced voltage (the big spike right as the "points" open) is a nice healthy 350v or so. |
| 22:48.47 | shingouz | furrywolf: Check the boots and wires, If you have a multimeter there check the resistance on the wires too. The distributor is in a pretty bad place on the EA81 and may cause the wires to become slightly unplugged at the distributor. Wire from coil to dist is also a pretty delicate proposition on the EA81 |
| 22:48.57 | abrotman | Esotericisms: what version of debian is this ? |
| 22:48.58 | tjkvd | I have a ata device to make voip calls and i have a linux machine as my gateway..what is a good way to ensure that the voip calls made get the bandwidth required? using qos maybe? or packet shaping to give like 100kbs to the ata device be good? |
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| 22:49.02 | Esotericisms | sarge |
| 22:49.17 | abrotman | Esotericisms: did you tell debconf to use a frame buffer ? |
| 22:49.34 | furrywolf | the wires range from 3k to 8k ohms. half them have rather rusted ends. distributer cap is also rusted. rotor is seriously corroded and bright green. |
| 22:49.49 | furrywolf | hence my plan of just replacing everything and seeing if it goes away. :) |
| 22:50.02 | luulis | abrotman: all but GLcore was, i'll check google anyway if someone has similar problem.. |
| 22:50.16 | abrotman | luulis: everything worked before you switched drivers? |
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| 22:50.30 | Esotericisms | you mean during dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? ... I have tried it both ways |
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| 22:50.45 | shingouz | furrywolf: You have some serious cleaning to do there. Or replacing parts. Do the plugs too and gap them correctly, I like the Nippondenso U-plugs on rice cars, they seem to give a good spark. |
| 22:51.02 | furrywolf | I have some autolite plugs... they seem to work fine. |
| 22:51.22 | luulis | abrotman: not quite, i used a graphics card that couldnt quite play video files for a few months |
| 22:51.27 | abrotman | directhex: does the nv driver work with Geforce2 MX ? |
| 22:51.29 | furrywolf | rather than cleaning, I'm just going to replace everything... already bought the parts... came to $30+tax for plugs, wires, cap, and rotor. |
| 22:51.38 | Esotericisms | abrotman, if you are referring to dpkg-reconfigure ... I have tried it both ways |
| 22:51.39 | abrotman | luulis: was it Trident? :) |
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| 22:51.48 | abrotman | Esotericisms: i'd imagine you want that off |
| 22:51.48 | Spurty | I'm BBQ'ing pork, should I turn up the heat or leave it low and just wait a little longer for the BBQ sauce to seep into the meat ? |
| 22:51.53 | colter | has the use of ACLs become common in the linux world? I don't need them for my home net, but I'd look into them if chances are I'm going to run into them |
| 22:52.04 | Esotericisms | abrotman, let me try it again |
| 22:52.07 | abrotman | Spurty: you want it a freaking sloppy ass mess .. |
| 22:52.08 | colter | add: for filesystems |
| 22:52.09 | luulis | abrotman: some old cirrus logic card that only had 1MB ram i ripped from my server :P |
| 22:52.15 | shingouz | furrywolf: Hehehe... my grandfather used to be a fighter pilot and before that he was an airplane mechanic. He was frigging rabid about plugs and did teach me a few nasty habits ;) |
| 22:52.16 | furrywolf | I pulled one of the plugs to check its condition... looked perfect. a nice white, not glazed, no deposits. |
| 22:52.25 | abrotman | luulis: i have a CL card here .. but it's integrated on my 486 :) |
| 22:52.26 | technos | colter: Still pretty uncommon. |
| 22:52.35 | shingouz | furrywolf: White? Just a bit too hot |
| 22:52.43 | abrotman | colter: they are usable |
| 22:52.53 | abrotman | !acl |
| 22:52.53 | furrywolf | the plug was a little worn (gap a bit higher than it should be), but not toasted yet. |
| 22:52.53 | dpkg | i guess acl is Access Control List or http://acl.bestbits.at/ or http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~agbs/live/acl_eng.html |
| 22:53.06 | Esotericisms | still blinking and failing |
| 22:53.10 | furrywolf | not quite white. a bit off-brown, with a bit of black way down inside. |
| 22:53.20 | Spurty | colter, ACLs... horrid things that plague Windows these days. Hard to get right *AND* have software still work for all users/groups |
| 22:53.22 | FieldySnuts | @lart technos |
| 22:53.43 | Spurty | icky |
| 22:53.49 | technos | Oww. |
| 22:53.50 | abrotman | Esotericisms: try the vesa driver .. get that to work .. then attempt the nv driver |
| 22:53.57 | furrywolf | overheating plugs tend to be uber-shiny and have a glazed look |
| 22:54.00 | Esotericisms | k |
| 22:54.02 | tjkvd | what's a good way to make sure my voip calls placed via my computer get enough bandwidth? should i enable qos on my linux machine or is there any howto etc? |
| 22:54.03 | shingouz | furrywolf: There is also the thing that the arc voltage goes up if the electrodes are rounded, they should be sharp. Worn plugs may cause misfires just because the voltage requirement is too high and the system cannot provide it at high speeds anymore. |
| 22:54.15 | shingouz | furrywolf: And slightly brownish is good. |
| 22:54.21 | patterson | * |
| 22:54.28 | furrywolf | shingouz: the plugs don't look excessively worn... they're only about 10k miles old anyway. |
| 22:54.35 | technos | Aww, come now.. Who hasn't opened up a piece of crap Pentium and said "Thank god. Cirrus Logic 5426, I can run X on it" |
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| 22:54.53 | abrotman | technos: anything is better than S3 :) |
| 22:54.56 | directhex | abrotman, for 2d, yes. even on woody. |
| 22:54.56 | colter | thanks for the replies |
| 22:55.02 | Esotericisms | still failed ... I am not sure that the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is working |
| 22:55.03 | abrotman | directhex: hrm .. thanks |
| 22:55.12 | kerneld | tjkvd: You should clouse your p2p and browser :O |
| 22:55.12 | abrotman | Esotericisms: did you edit the X config by hand ? |
| 22:55.13 | Esotericisms | where else can I tell it not to use framebuffering? |
| 22:55.24 | furrywolf | it's also noticably worse in damp weather, suggesting a secondary problem... |
| 22:55.24 | shingouz | furrywolf: 10k miles? Gee... I replace them at about 6k latest. OTOH, I do run some pretty serious boost on my Subaru Turbo Loyale |
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| 22:55.35 | Esotericisms | abrotman, I did 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 22:55.37 | kerneld | tjkvd: QoS only works if you do it at both ends |
| 22:55.39 | Xenguy | abrotman: yes! s3 sux, and I am a victim (well my wife actually since I know better :P ) |
| 22:55.40 | furrywolf | I run no boost, and drive gently. :P |
| 22:55.43 | abrotman | Esotericisms: you never edited by hand ? |
| 22:55.43 | furrywolf | (no turbo...) |
| 22:55.50 | Esotericisms | no |
| 22:55.54 | Esotericisms | abrotman, no |
| 22:55.56 | shingouz | furrywolf: Check the dist cap, it may be cracked, the EA81 and 82 do have that tendency |
| 22:56.02 | abrotman | Xenguy: i have a bunch of PII boxes with Trio 2d cards .. shit .. total shit |
| 22:56.12 | furrywolf | dist cap is fine, aside from aforementioned rust on the top. |
| 22:56.14 | abrotman | Esotericisms: ok .. just making sure |
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| 22:56.36 | shingouz | furrywolf: Spring cleaning there. Do that first and see if it helps :D |
| 22:56.38 | genix_ | Why is not apache let me read php files after I've: apt-get install apache php4 libapache-mod-php4. In httpd.conf I have uncomment: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php. Apache is restarted to. |
| 22:56.39 | abrotman | Esotericisms: pick vesa .. pick 16bit color .. pick 800x600 .. just those options |
| 22:56.47 | technos | abrotman: As former owner of three S3 ViRGe DX video decelerators, I agree. |
| 22:56.48 | abrotman | Esotericisms: and please don't /msg me .. more people can help here |
| 22:57.03 | ohad | hi, i am trying to run mozilla-firefox which i've just installed (untar'd) as a normal user, for some reason when i try to ./firefox nothing happens. i know it is a stupid question but it only works when i try to sudo ./firefox |
| 22:57.11 | Esotericisms | ok |
| 22:57.21 | furrywolf | I think the plugs I had it in before were about 50k miles old... and I only replaced them because they were carbon fouled (leaking needle valve in the carb), and I figured I might as well replace them rather then clean the worn ones and put them back in. :) |
| 22:57.24 | abrotman | Esotericisms: usually if you leave that blank .. it can be figured out on it's own |
| 22:57.26 | abrotman | err its |
| 22:57.27 | shingouz | ohad: Why did you not install it with apt-get? |
| 22:57.31 | genix_ | ohad: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 22:57.37 | Spurty | o.O |
| 22:57.43 | Esotericisms | failed |
| 22:57.47 | abrotman | Esotericisms: failed what? |
| 22:57.51 | Spurty | genix_, if you want to print from that afterwards, ask me :) |
| 22:58.01 | genix_ | ohad: then you run it from the menu or Alt+F2 then firefox in GNOME |
| 22:58.02 | Spurty | ohad, if you want to print from that afterwards, ask me :) |
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| 22:58.04 | shingouz | furrywolf: You are Bad News (tm) for engines ;) |
| 22:58.07 | Spurty | sorry genix_ :) |
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| 22:58.14 | Souza10 | for what is the subject of he certificate? it was the default is set to not use several certificates with same subject. I just set to "no" the option unique_subject and it worked |
| 22:58.15 | furrywolf | shingouz: I cleaned everything a while ago... helped, but didn't fix it. |
| 22:58.27 | awb4422 | I've noticed that ffmpeg isn't compiled with xvid... is there a way to enable it without having to compile from source? |
| 22:58.27 | Esotericisms | abrotman, failed on framebuffer device |
| 22:58.28 | Esotericisms | WTF! |
| 22:58.33 | Esotericisms | it the log not updating? |
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| 22:58.38 | ohad | genix_, shingouz there's a new version that covers security holes |
| 22:58.39 | abrotman | Esotericisms: check the date on the file |
| 22:58.47 | furrywolf | shingouz: how am I bad news? I keep the oil clean, and fix anything as soon as I know it needs fixing. :) |
| 22:58.53 | Esotericisms | yeah the log is getting updated ... just checked |
| 22:58.56 | Esotericisms | this is bizarre |
| 22:59.00 | Esotericisms | and quite annoying |
| 22:59.06 | genix_ | ohad: run the updates |
| 22:59.24 | shingouz | furrywolf: 50k plugs? My grandfather would have ripped your head off for that ;) |
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| 22:59.28 | furrywolf | (my subaru has the patented subaru automatic oil change... every time you get gas you add a quart, and every time you park it drains it. :) |
| 22:59.33 | abrotman | Esotericisms: no .. the config file |
| 22:59.41 | ohad | genix_, i am not sure the update will give me the mozilla-firefox 1.0.3? |
| 22:59.42 | genix_ | ohad: I have the latest firefox avalible via apt |
| 22:59.54 | furrywolf | shingouz: they were fine except for being carbon fouled... engine was running rich until I rebuilt the carb. |
| 22:59.56 | shingouz | furrywolf: Heh. Replace the seals then, not that hard |
| 23:00.00 | genix_ | ohad: I installed it 5 minutes ago from apt |
| 23:00.02 | ohad | genix_, ok. let me try |
| 23:00.11 | furrywolf | not the seals. leaks from the head gasket from what I can tell. |
| 23:00.20 | raf256 | is there any known chroot that is impossible to escape from? |
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| 23:00.25 | furrywolf | the four oil passages on the underside of the engine all drip... |
| 23:00.25 | ohad | genix_, i have tried to install and run it from my kmenu and it did not start for some reason |
| 23:00.28 | raf256 | for 2.6.8 kernels for example |
| 23:00.30 | Esotericisms | ok... where is the actual config file located? |
| 23:00.35 | shingouz | furrywolf: Hmmm... has the engine *ever* overheated? |
| 23:00.45 | abrotman | Esotericisms: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 .. hopefully |
| 23:01.03 | furrywolf | not in the time I've owned it, and there's no sign of a blown head gasket. (good compression, no overheating, no oil in water or water in oil, etc). |
| 23:01.09 | Esotericisms | abrotman, nope |
| 23:01.10 | genix_ | ohad: hmm, apt-get remove mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 23:01.24 | abrotman | Esotericisms: nope what ? |
| 23:01.29 | furrywolf | doesn't burn oil either. :) |
| 23:01.31 | Esotericisms | file isn't there |
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| 23:01.38 | Esotericisms | I am looking for it |
| 23:01.44 | Esotericisms | but it isn't there |
| 23:01.45 | abrotman | Esotericisms: then you're either not running debian .. or something is really wrong |
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| 23:02.15 | Esotericisms | the only thing in the X11 is X, X.dpkg-old, Xresources, Xsession, Xsession.d |
| 23:02.21 | furrywolf | and from other people I've talked to, theirs leak from the same spot. |
| 23:02.30 | Esotericisms | well I am running debian |
| 23:02.32 | shingouz | furrywolf: The Subarus are notorious for the overheating. One overheat means new head gaskets every single time. On the misfire I suspect the coil, something odd with it if everything else is 100% ok. Maybe the coil has just let out the magic smoke after all these years |
| 23:02.39 | Esotericisms | sarge are my apt sources |
| 23:02.43 | beeblebrox87 | to answer the question about parted and "this ext3 filesystem has a rather strange layout" that i asked in here earlier: parted is outdated to the point of uselessness, use fdisk and resize2fs |
| 23:02.54 | Esotericisms | maybe I should try kde instead |
| 23:03.05 | furrywolf | shingouz: overheating? mine doesn't even open the thermostat unless it's a hot day or you leave it idling... |
| 23:03.05 | abrotman | Esotericisms: you can't even start X .. doesn't matter which WM you use |
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| 23:03.25 | abrotman | Esotericisms: if you check the log in /var/log .. it will tell you where your config file is |
| 23:03.31 | furrywolf | shingouz: only way to make mine run hot is to drive slowly with the A/C on. :) |
| 23:03.51 | furrywolf | and with the >20 year old radiator, that probably just means it's getting a bit clogged. |
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| 23:04.08 | Esotericisms | hrm ... odd now I can see the file ... |
| 23:04.12 | shingouz | furrywolf: Start the engine, let it idle and open the radiator cap, check for bubbles. One bubble is not too bad, two or three small ones means new gaskets |
| 23:04.20 | Esotericisms | I must have been looking in the wrong directory ... not sure how i managed that |
| 23:04.26 | Esotericisms | alright I am at the file |
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| 23:04.40 | cafuego | shingouz: They apparently work fine in the australian outback in the hight of summer. Mind you, sane humans drive land cruisers out there. |
| 23:04.42 | abrotman | Esotericisms: i just wanted you to make sure dpkg-reconfigure is updating the file |
| 23:04.44 | shingouz | furrywolf: You sure about the timing on the thing |
| 23:04.51 | Esotericisms | abrotman, it isn't updating it |
| 23:04.53 | shingouz | cafuego: Hehehe |
| 23:05.01 | furrywolf | shingouz: won't work. thermostat on these doesn't open until 220 degrees. will boil over before you see any movement in the water. (I know, I've tried. :) |
| 23:05.06 | cafuego | with a backup fuel and water tank |
| 23:05.17 | genix_ | cafuego: Do you know how to set up LAMP? |
| 23:05.28 | paulswm | cafuego: and beer cooler no doubt |
| 23:05.31 | furrywolf | shingouz: timing is fine last I checked, and the bolt is nice and tight, so it's unlikely to have changed. and I don't think bad timing only causes problems in damp weather. :) |
| 23:05.37 | cafuego | genix_: apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 mysql-server php4-mysql |
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| 23:06.00 | cafuego | paulswm: drink driving in the outback is a really bad idea, as help is normally a 2-hour helicopter flight away |
| 23:06.03 | shingouz | furrywolf: wtf? The thermostat is *that* hot? It should be a lot lower, way below boiling point at NTP |
| 23:06.05 | Esotericisms | abrotman, it isn't updating the file |
| 23:06.11 | genix_ | cafuego: "Why is not apache let me read php files after I've: apt-get install apache php4 libapache-mod-php4. In httpd.conf I have uncomment: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php. Apache is restarted to." |
| 23:06.13 | abrotman | Esotericisms: are you sure ? .. did you check the date .. reconfigure it .. change an option .. check the date again |
| 23:06.18 | pngwn | /c/c |
| 23:06.39 | cafuego | genix_: Maybe it didn't *actually* restart. killall -9 apache; /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 23:06.40 | furrywolf | only time I've ever seen bubbles (at all; normally absolutely none) is when I put on the new water pump, and was waiting for it to clear the air out of the system. :) |
| 23:06.44 | paulswm | cafuego: reminds me of an old joke about a snake bite on the rear end |
| 23:06.45 | shingouz | furrywolf: The book says 92C but the engine performs best with an 85C thremostat |
| 23:06.55 | furrywolf | shingouz: your book or my book? :P |
| 23:06.55 | genix_ | cafuego: I just want to use php and apache, sorry |
| 23:07.03 | genix_ | cafuego: I take the mysql part later |
| 23:07.08 | furrywolf | sec, fetching the book. should be in the closet somewhere. |
| 23:07.17 | genix_ | cafuego: anyhow, I have rebooted as well |
| 23:07.20 | shingouz | furrywolf: The one that say Subaru on it, I "borrowed" it from a now defunct dealer |
| 23:07.26 | cafuego | genix_: Soemtimes apache doesn't restart properly, if a connection is still open when you tell it to restart. |
| 23:07.27 | genix_ | cafuego: but the problem persist |
| 23:07.42 | cafuego | shingouz: The onl;y problem I have with subarus are that they're not pretty. |
| 23:07.51 | cafuego | genix_: is the php module loading? |
| 23:07.51 | genix_ | cafuego: but I have rebooted |
| 23:07.59 | shingouz | cafuego: It doesnt matter when you drive one :) |
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| 23:08.08 | genix_ | How can I see that? |
| 23:08.23 | furrywolf | found book. on top of book is an adjustable wrench set. on top of wrench set is an ethernet switch. on top of switch is a tape measure. on top of tape measure is 4 moving boxes. not going to get to the book. :P |
| 23:08.23 | cafuego | shingouz: I prefer my yellow mazda :-) |
| 23:08.56 | ohad | genix_, still doesn't work:/ . i can't run firefox as a normal user for some reason |
| 23:09.08 | abrotman | Xenguy: you like to ride your bicycle ? |
| 23:09.17 | Esotericisms | the last time the file was touched was 17:07 ... |
| 23:09.19 | Xenguy | abrotman: yes I do |
| 23:09.23 | shingouz | cafuego: And when winter gets here I just love to smoke yellow Mazdas at stoplights. Fulltime 4wd and a high boost does have a few things going for them |
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| 23:09.30 | Esotericisms | it is 20:08 on my system right now |
| 23:09.34 | genix_ | ohad: can't help you right now, brb, cafuego is helping me =) |
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| 23:09.42 | furrywolf | shingouz: I'm pretty sure the thermostat is start at 202 and fully at 220 or something close to that. |
| 23:09.50 | abrotman | Esotericisms: sounds like you edited the file by hand |
| 23:09.57 | cafuego | shingouz: Haha, it freezes where you live? Poor bastard ;-) |
| 23:10.03 | shingouz | furrywolf: I think that is way too hot. |
| 23:10.09 | Esotericisms | I just installed woody ... then upgraded to sarge |
| 23:10.11 | shingouz | cafuego: fi. and I hate it here |
| 23:10.12 | Esotericisms | haven't touched the file |
| 23:10.17 | abrotman | !tell Esotericisms about x md5sum |
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| 23:10.21 | furrywolf | and I'm very sure that if you run it with the radiator cap off, it boils before there's any sign of the water moving... |
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| 23:10.39 | furrywolf | shingouz: dunno. it works fine, and the temperature guage stays nice and low. |
| 23:10.40 | abrotman | Esotericisms: do what dpkg says |
| 23:10.41 | shingouz | furrywolf: With that thermostat it will boil |
| 23:10.42 | ethics | makes the heater work better tho 8) |
| 23:10.46 | ohad | genix_, ok. thanks |
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| 23:11.33 | furrywolf | actually, my personal opinion is the engine runs too cold... |
| 23:11.37 | shingouz | furrywolf: You're missing some serious horses on that one with such a hot thermostat maybe 7-12 of them which is a lot considering the small amount you have there to begin with |
| 23:11.38 | Esotericisms | this file /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum ... doesn't exist |
| 23:11.57 | shingouz | furrywolf: You sure the gauge is ok |
| 23:12.10 | furrywolf | on cold days, the car never warms up. (heater is warm instead of hot! gah! what good is a heater that works perfectly except for when it's cold out?!) |
| 23:12.22 | abrotman | Esotericisms: there's part of your problem |
| 23:12.35 | genix_ | cafuego: I have added this in httpd.conf: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 23:12.54 | furrywolf | gauge is ok. (tested it when I was looking for a problem with the emissions computer). bimetalic switch for the fan is also ok, and agrees with the gauge. |
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| 23:13.18 | genix_ | cafuego: and restarted the apachectl stop && apachectl start |
| 23:13.18 | shingouz | furrywolf: Air in the system or if you have a vacuum controlled heater you need to replace the one-way valve in the vacuum hose |
| 23:13.24 | genix_ | cafuego: now it works =) |
| 23:13.28 | Esotericisms | abrotman I am doing the fix action now |
| 23:13.28 | cafuego | genix_: woo! |
| 23:13.32 | abrotman | Esotericisms: good plan |
| 23:13.41 | furrywolf | heater is controlled with good old fashioned cables. :) |
| 23:13.50 | pinewood | Can someone tell me how I can keep udev from deleting or modifying /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1? |
| 23:13.57 | genix_ | cafuego: well, I did get an error before when I added that line, why? |
| 23:13.57 | shingouz | furrywolf: Ok, so that is a GL then, not a Loyale |
| 23:14.15 | cafuego | genix_: Absolutely no idea... typo? |
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| 23:14.47 | abrotman | Piggy: squeal! |
| 23:14.53 | genix_ | cafuego: I is just to wait one hour so the server goes down again as usally ;) |
| 23:15.07 | genix_ | cafuego: I hope this was the solution |
| 23:15.13 | furrywolf | yep. the engine is out of an '83 GL wagon, the car is a '84 GL wagon. (previous owner forgot the quart-per-500-miles rule and ran it without oil... threw a rod) |
| 23:15.22 | shingouz | heh |
| 23:15.24 | abrotman | you guys are still going on about cars? |
| 23:15.33 | shingouz | abrotman: Nope, Subarus |
| 23:15.39 | abrotman | they are cars |
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| 23:16.02 | furrywolf | subarus are not cars. subarus are babbies to be tenderly cared for. :P |
| 23:16.05 | dondelelcaro | babies? hardly. |
| 23:16.13 | pinewood | Can someone tell me how I can keep udev from deleting or modifying /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1? |
| 23:16.14 | shingouz | abrotman: Uh.. you mean "WTF are those doing here, /msg dpkg d-i or shut up"? ;) |
| 23:16.14 | genix_ | ohad: Im here for you now |
| 23:16.19 | abrotman | they have four wheels . and engine .. either a car .. or a go-cart . you decide |
| 23:16.27 | dondelelcaro | there's no point to owning a rally inspired car if you baby the thing |
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| 23:16.37 | Esotericisms | abrotman, /etc/init.d/xdm start (right?) just making sure |
| 23:16.38 | furrywolf | well, with the engine in these, a go-kart might be appropriate... :P |
| 23:16.48 | abrotman | Esotericisms: or restart .. yes |
| 23:16.52 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: Exactly. /me wants to up the boost a bit more |
| 23:16.58 | furrywolf | 309K miles and I still get >30mpg freeway. |
| 23:17.05 | abrotman | that it ? |
| 23:17.16 | abrotman | there's a saab or volvo with over 1,000,000 still running :) |
| 23:17.16 | Esotericisms | boom! |
| 23:17.18 | abrotman | slacker |
| 23:17.18 | Esotericisms | solved |
| 23:17.20 | Esotericisms | perfect |
| 23:17.22 | abrotman | Esotericisms: feel better ? |
| 23:17.26 | Esotericisms | much |
| 23:17.34 | abrotman | Esotericisms: now .. no more ascii porn |
| 23:17.48 | furrywolf | about 5k of the last 50k miles were with so much weight in the back that all four wheels were flat against the suspension stops... |
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| 23:18.00 | Esotericisms | abrotman, alright ... btw have you seen the StarWars episode iv in ASCII? |
| 23:18.12 | abrotman | Esotericisms: no .. erm .. i have a life? :) |
| 23:18.18 | E-bola | Can i do anything to speed up the update of df? It seems when im filling drive completely, and thne start deleting things |
| 23:18.25 | E-bola | it takes along time for df to register it? |
| 23:18.33 | E-bola | im using reiserfs as filesystem. |
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| 23:19.11 | karsten | E-bola: Shouldn't be. |
| 23:19.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you shouldn't do that :) |
| 23:19.18 | furrywolf | dondelelcaro: poor subaru! be nice to it. :P |
| 23:19.20 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: What have you done to the poor thing? |
| 23:19.25 | karsten | E-bola: Is something, perchance, still filling the files? 'lsof -vm <mountpoint>' |
| 23:19.39 | abrotman | or has reiser not committed the write ? |
| 23:19.52 | dondelelcaro | that's what happens when you really drive offroad |
| 23:19.55 | E-bola | can i force a commit/flush? |
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| 23:20.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i still have grass on the bottom of my car :) |
| 23:20.12 | genix_ | karsten: Hi there, long time ago, nice to see your nick show up =) |
| 23:20.14 | Fackamato | Hi, is there a C# compiler in the repos? |
| 23:20.17 | Fackamato | for any debian dist that is |
| 23:20.19 | karsten | E-bola: 'sync' |
| 23:20.22 | abrotman | Fackamato: which version of debian ? |
| 23:20.25 | furrywolf | that's what happens when you have arms made of tin foil... sadly, the ones on my '84 wagon look a lot sturdier. :P |
| 23:20.27 | Fackamato | any ;> |
| 23:20.29 | karsten | abrotman: In baggies? |
| 23:20.30 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but i drive a jetta :) |
| 23:20.31 | dondelelcaro | picking up a side of an imbankment on a road with water dammage in NV at 25 mph will do that |
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| 23:20.44 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Hmm, best I ever managed was to bury a Mitsubishi magna in mud to the point of having to be winched out (20km south of Lake Eyre, AU) |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | Fackamato: it depends . which debian |
| 23:20.49 | karsten | genix_: Um. Where do I know you from? |
| 23:20.52 | Fackamato | abrotman: sarge |
| 23:20.53 | E-bola | ohh i think i knwo what is it |
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| 23:20.58 | abrotman | Fackamato: apt-cache search mono |
| 23:21.02 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh |
| 23:21.03 | E-bola | i am root, so i might be going over the 5% limit on the fs |
| 23:21.03 | karsten | !.net |
| 23:21.03 | dpkg | when .NET system goes online, human decisions are removed from the office environment. It contains Application Center 2000, SQL server 2000, Exchange 2000, Host Integration Server 2000, BizTalk 2000, Commerce Server 2000. They seperate every single bit of simple operation into many buzzword-servers. Don't you hate your money? |
| 23:21.04 | genix_ | karsten: earlier called "dawwwa" |
| 23:21.07 | shingouz | abrotman: The grass should be on top of your car, only then it is offroading. Besides I do not take my Soob into the woods, it is just a nice thing to poodle around town with. And kill the occasional unsuspecting BMW |
| 23:21.12 | Esotericisms | abrotman, telnet to towel.blinkenlights.nl (starwars episode 4 in ASCII) it is cool |
| 23:21.15 | E-bola | so df shows there as being 0% free while ther eis actualy below 5% free |
| 23:21.17 | E-bola | ? |
| 23:21.20 | karsten | genix_: OK. Sorry, I don't remember. |
| 23:21.23 | abrotman | Esotericisms: no way ... |
| 23:21.30 | karsten | E-bola: That could be. |
| 23:21.38 | abrotman | shingouz: it wasn't intentional .. it was sideways motion |
| 23:21.39 | genix_ | karsten: Dammit, not sure, have forgett my old nick |
| 23:21.41 | karsten | E-bola: 'man df' may show how to avoid showing that limit. |
| 23:21.45 | Esotericisms | it isn't a trick ..http://geekswithblogs.net/btinkler/archive/2005/03/21/26915.aspx |
| 23:21.47 | m4lu6 | hmm |
| 23:21.47 | furrywolf | heh. I got mine rather muddy the other day. was parked on the side of the road, when the embankment decided to give way, and the car started sliding down the hill... I would have been able to drive it out, but the car stalls when you tilt it more than 40 degrees... |
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| 23:21.56 | karsten | genix_: What'd we discuss? |
| 23:21.58 | shingouz | abrotman: Sideways motion is usually intentional for me ;) |
| 23:22.04 | furrywolf | had to get a few people together to push it onto leveller ground so I could start it again. :) |
| 23:22.10 | abrotman | shingouz: not when you start on a paved road and end up in the grass :) |
| 23:22.10 | streuner | abrotman: http://wortfilter.de/kurios/0505/saufmaschine/index.htm |
| 23:22.16 | genix_ | karsten: =), ok, you helped me with aptitude-install and 200 packages went to hell for me ;) |
| 23:22.18 | shingouz | hm |
| 23:22.26 | genix_ | karsten: but you saved them back for med |
| 23:22.26 | karsten | Fackamato: Not sure about #C. Might check Mono project. |
| 23:22.28 | E-bola | karsten: dont look like it |
| 23:22.28 | genix_ | me* |
| 23:22.32 | karsten | genix_: Ah. I think I remember that. |
| 23:22.45 | resiak | !mono plan |
| 23:22.49 | karsten | E-bola: OK. 5% limit will also be there. |
| 23:22.51 | abrotman | streuner: i can buy that ? |
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| 23:22.58 | karsten | !tell Fackamato about mono |
| 23:23.06 | genix_ | karsten: I have created a really cool script I want you to lock at later as thanks |
| 23:23.22 | abrotman | i think i said that already |
| 23:23.27 | genix_ | karsten: I send you the url when LAMP is complete |
| 23:23.28 | E-bola | hmmm |
| 23:23.32 | Fackamato | well I'm trying to get .ASP support for apache 1.x, and compiling xsp which is a part of it requires c# compiler |
| 23:23.37 | furrywolf | shingouz: so any suggestions, or should I just go replace everything and see if it helps? :) |
| 23:23.41 | E-bola | how can i see the reserved block percentage of my fs? tune2fs only lets me set it |
| 23:23.44 | Fackamato | configure: error: No C# compiler found |
| 23:23.54 | streuner | abrotman: no, acutally not, the auction ended yesterday, to many people were interested ;-) |
| 23:23.59 | abrotman | Fackamato: i'm pretty sure apache1 doesn't work with C# .. but you might want to ask #debian-mono |
| 23:24.02 | furrywolf | I'm pretty convinced from the waveform the problem is in the secondary side. |
| 23:24.11 | pinewood | Can someone tell me how I can keep udev from deleting or modifying /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1? |
| 23:24.26 | E-bola | ahh dumpe2fs |
| 23:24.34 | resiak | pinewood: Don't use udev? or man udev.rules (misleadingly named). |
| 23:24.34 | karsten | E-bola: You probably want to use something out of reiserfstools or reiserfsprogs. I don't recall the name. |
| 23:24.36 | shingouz | furrywolf: If the parts are already there and the old parts look iffy, replace them first and lets see if the problem has gone away. If not.. well.. more hacking |
| 23:24.37 | abrotman | streuner: heh |
| 23:24.54 | resiak | Oh, wait, there's no man udev.rules. :-/ |
| 23:25.02 | abrotman | !math |
| 23:25.03 | dpkg | It's maths, not math, damn it. You don't say "I like mathematic", it's "I like mathematics". |
| 23:25.04 | streuner | abrotman: well, they promise 1 liter beer in less than 10 seconds :-) |
| 23:25.08 | resiak | !maths |
| 23:25.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, maths is like 1+2=3 |
| 23:25.23 | pinewood | resiak: there is no man page |
| 23:25.24 | abrotman | streuner: hrm .. 1 liter is how many fl ounces ? |
| 23:25.30 | streuner | abrotman: i don't need a machine for that, do you? |
| 23:25.32 | simonrvn | @lart udev for not having proper man pages in section 5 |
| 23:25.32 | abrotman | 20 ? |
| 23:25.36 | shingouz | about 2 pints abrotman |
| 23:25.39 | simonrvn | hahaha |
| 23:25.51 | furrywolf | shingouz: not much else to hack... the ignition on this car consists of the ignition module (housed with in the distributer; drop-in replacement for points), coil, condensor, wires, cap, rotor, and plugs. that's it. :) |
| 23:25.54 | shingouz | quart, just a bit over a quart |
| 23:25.59 | abrotman | streuner: my body can't chug .. beer or otherwise .. but i've a friend who can down a pint in about 3 seconds .. i bet she gives good head too :) |
| 23:26.04 | resiak | dpkg: maths =~ s/3/3 or like "let epsilon < 0 be given"./ |
| 23:26.04 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
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| 23:26.14 | karsten | E-bola: reiserfstune? |
| 23:26.14 | resiak | pinewood: I konw :) |
| 23:26.20 | shingouz | furrywolf: I know :( |
| 23:26.20 | resiak | pinewood: /etc/udev/udev.rules |
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| 23:26.34 | karsten | E-bola: ...out of reiserfsprogs package. |
| 23:26.34 | streuner | abrotman: so what's a pint in liter? |
| 23:26.39 | abrotman | streuner: it's a good way for her to drink free .. everyone wants to see her do it |
| 23:26.47 | abrotman | !convert 1 pint to liter |
| 23:26.48 | dpkg | 1 pint is approximately 0.473176 liter |
| 23:26.49 | simonrvn | streuner: about the same |
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| 23:26.51 | shingouz | streuner: One pint is about half a liter |
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| 23:26.58 | M4hd1 | hi, i installed mysql-server and mysql-client debian packages, but when i boot my system and it tries do start mysqld it fails lacking for /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock. When i run /etc/init.d/mysqld start it runs fine and mysqld.sock appers. What could b wrong? could anybody help me plz? |
| 23:27.02 | simonrvn | oh, no, quart, not litre |
| 23:27.06 | resiak | :convert 300000000 metres per second to furlongs per fortnight |
| 23:27.08 | plugwash | it says in the topic here "sarge has frozen security now up" yet NO security alert i've seen has mentioned sarge |
| 23:27.14 | shingouz | streuner: A quart is two pints ;) |
| 23:27.14 | resiak | dpkg: You suck. Google can do that. :-/ |
| 23:27.17 | abrotman | plugwash: check the mailing list |
| 23:27.19 | streuner | damn, 1/2 liter in 3 seconds is fast |
| 23:27.21 | simonrvn | resiak: nutso ;p |
| 23:27.24 | cafuego | plugwash: Magic, eh? |
| 23:27.25 | furrywolf | shingouz: and the distributer is a simple vacuum/centrifical advance, with the vacuum advance plugged straight into the port on the carb. |
| 23:27.35 | plugwash | abrotman which mailing list? |
| 23:27.35 | shingouz | yup |
| 23:27.48 | abrotman | plugwash: debian-security .. though . i don't see any discussion as to why |
| 23:27.57 | simonrvn | "distributor" |
| 23:27.58 | abrotman | streuner: she likes beer? |
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| 23:28.05 | resiak | simonrvn: S'true! |
| 23:28.14 | abrotman | streuner: she does that .. tilt your head back and it goes down .. like . basically pouring it out |
| 23:28.15 | streuner | abrotman: who? |
| 23:28.17 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 23:28.22 | furrywolf | shingouz: if you ever have emissions questions on an '83 ea-81, I can tell you what every vacuum line does. :) |
| 23:28.23 | abrotman | streuner: my friend :) |
| 23:28.33 | plugwash | abrotman debian-devel-announce claims support from freeze time but none of the alerts i've seen on debian-security alerts agree with that |
| 23:28.49 | plugwash | wheres the archive of debian-security? i'm not on that list |
| 23:28.50 | abrotman | plugwash: i know .. all i can say is to ask debian-devel or debian-security mailing list |
| 23:29.24 | tix64 | resiak: if you speak with dpkg then do it right. it doesn't listen to ":" |
| 23:29.28 | shingouz | furrywolf: Heh. I usually have to work on the engine for a day to get it to pass the smog test, after the test I hack on the car again to get the power back to where it belongs |
| 23:29.37 | resiak | !convert 300000000 metres per second to furlongs per fortnight |
| 23:29.38 | dpkg | 300000000 metres per second is approximately 1.80386e+12 furlongs per fortnight |
| 23:29.43 | resiak | Wheeeeeeee! |
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| 23:29.51 | resiak | tix64: I'm used to my own blootbot :) |
| 23:29.52 | abrotman | !math |
| 23:29.52 | dpkg | It's maths, not math, damn it. You don't say "I like mathematic", it's "I like mathematics". |
| 23:29.54 | shingouz | !botsnack |
| 23:29.55 | dpkg | thanks, shingouz |
| 23:30.00 | w4rl0ck | what a name to the next unstable ? |
| 23:30.02 | resiak | abrotman: That was math :-) |
| 23:30.04 | resiak | w4rl0ck: Sid |
| 23:30.06 | caphuso | w4rl0ck: sid |
| 23:30.11 | resiak | w4rl0ck: You mean the next testing, which is Etch. |
| 23:30.11 | w4rl0ck | the next |
| 23:30.14 | caphuso | w4rl0ck: sid |
| 23:30.16 | abrotman | w4rl0ck: unstable is always sid .. the next testing will be etch |
| 23:30.18 | fatalblu | mmmm openafs <drools> |
| 23:30.20 | furrywolf | shingouz: I have no EGR, vacuum advance plumbed straight into the carb, and the secondaries open when I step on the gas, rather than when I step on the gas and a list of 38 conditions are met. :) |
| 23:30.34 | shingouz | hehe |
| 23:30.42 | Phated | tarzeau: Play what? |
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| 23:31.13 | furrywolf | shingouz: it's actually pretty zippy... when it's running well, I have no performance complaints. |
| 23:31.18 | w4rl0ck | hum |
| 23:31.20 | plugwash | !convert 1 petabyte to libraries of congress |
| 23:31.22 | dpkg | 1 petabyte cannot be converted to libraries of congress: Unknown unit 'libraries' |
| 23:31.27 | tarzeau | Phated: bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 23:31.34 | shingouz | furrywolf: Now git goin'. Out with you to replace the few parts, chase the mailman up a streetlight and come back ;) |
| 23:31.35 | furrywolf | shingouz: bbl, going to go pick up some anti-sieze before I put the plugs in. |
| 23:32.04 | Phated | tarzeau: No, why? |
| 23:32.04 | furrywolf | (antisieze... with aluminum heads, it is your friend) |
| 23:32.14 | tarzeau | Phated: just wondering |
| 23:32.17 | shingouz | furrywolf: I know... |
| 23:32.27 | Phated | tarzeau: AH. |
| 23:32.29 | shingouz | just get some aluminum and not copper based |
| 23:32.36 | furrywolf | bbl |
| 23:33.14 | distempr | What's it mean when apt-get states that two packages are held back? |
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| 23:33.27 | w4rl0ck | lol |
| 23:34.07 | tix64 | distempr: probably that you're using unstable when you shouldn't |
| 23:34.09 | distempr | Actually, I know what it means, though through a dist-upgrade I've never seen it hold back any packages. Why would it? |
| 23:34.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: you weren't supposed to tell Phated |
| 23:34.25 | abrotman | !tell distempr about held back |
| 23:34.27 | Fall-en | how do i know which port my mouse is connected to if its a ps2 mouse ? |
| 23:34.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: you weren't supposed to notice |
| 23:34.39 | shingouz | Fall-en: /dev/psaux |
| 23:34.46 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 23:34.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: and it still didn't make it in |
| 23:34.57 | shingouz | Fall-en: PS/2, note the slash there btw |
| 23:35.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm working on it |
| 23:35.01 | distempr | Thanks abrotman. |
| 23:35.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: the story ? |
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| 23:35.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: packaging the game |
| 23:35.20 | Fall-en | so when i install debian is that an option |
| 23:35.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh |
| 23:35.21 | Fall-en | ? |
| 23:35.33 | abrotman | /dev/psaux .. or /dev/input/mice |
| 23:35.36 | resiak | !devinputmice |
| 23:35.36 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 23:35.38 | shingouz | Fall-en: Huh? |
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| 23:35.45 | plugwash | i've often seen it hold back packages on dist-upgrade |
| 23:35.48 | dbruns | Gentoo Rocks debian sucks! |
| 23:35.51 | plugwash | often mc for some reason |
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| 23:35.56 | abrotman | wow .. |
| 23:35.58 | abrotman | that was great |
| 23:36.11 | simonrvn | stunningly stupid... |
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| 23:36.17 | Fall-en | shingouz: when i go to install woody it asks for a mouse port i was wondering which do i choose |
| 23:36.17 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@pcp08896522pcs.hcksrd01.tn.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:36.20 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:36.20 | shingouz | Yeah. Maybe we should send ravenbird out there to lart |
| 23:36.25 | abrotman | can't we go to #gentoo and have him banned from there too ? |
| 23:36.32 | abrotman | just for being an ass |
| 23:36.40 | simonrvn | interesting thought |
| 23:36.40 | plugwash | install mc on woody change your sources.list to sarge and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:36.42 | shingouz | Fall-en: /msg dpkg devinputmice |
| 23:36.50 | plugwash | and i'm pretty sure it will list mc as held back |
| 23:37.06 | Fall-en | thanks |
| 23:37.23 | simonrvn | no. i'm not going to do that as it would kill this install |
| 23:37.44 | simonrvn | sid + experimental + homebrew. no thanks |
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| 23:38.09 | simonrvn | (yes, i'm insane) |
| 23:38.19 | abrotman | canadian eh? |
| 23:38.25 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 23:38.38 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:38.40 | simonrvn | legally, yes. born here, yes |
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| 23:39.10 | simonrvn | alberta francophone. yes, we exist |
| 23:39.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:39.19 | quebec | eh? |
| 23:39.42 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 23:39.50 | simonrvn | oh |
| 23:39.53 | spdf | ah! |
| 23:40.07 | simonrvn | !ih |
| 23:40.10 | abrotman | !il |
| 23:40.11 | dpkg | il is, like, Israel, the home of (among others) Zap-W, shimon|sevenseventy and hackeron, all notable fucktards. |
| 23:40.13 | abrotman | woops |
| 23:40.23 | simonrvn | damn :/ |
| 23:40.30 | shingouz | Ah. This is getting too deep for me at the moment, I'll go raid the refrig for some Canadian bacon. bbiab ;) |
| 23:40.42 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 23:40.43 | tix64 | good that there are just so few vowels. |
| 23:40.43 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 23:40.50 | spdf | I just had a canadian bacon whopper... tasty shiznit.. |
| 23:41.21 | abrotman | spdf: is your heart moaning ? |
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| 23:41.34 | spdf | abrotman, Every now and then I feel a little murmur |
| 23:41.38 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:41.48 | simonrvn | heh |
| 23:41.54 | M4hd1 | hi, i installed mysql-server and mysql-client debian packages, but when i boot my system and it tries do start mysqld it fails lacking for /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock. When i run /etc/init.d/mysqld start it runs fine and mysqld.sock appers. What could b wrong? could anybody help me plz? |
| 23:42.31 | abrotman | M4hd1: did you check the bts ? |
| 23:43.00 | M4hd1 | abrotman, yep =/ mysql seems to b fine |
| 23:43.09 | abrotman | M4hd1: what is the BTS ? |
| 23:43.16 | M4hd1 | abrotman, it even works on other boxes i have. Just this one is buggy |
| 23:43.25 | M4hd1 | abrotman, bug tracking system |
| 23:43.32 | M4hd1 | abrotman, just searched it |
| 23:43.39 | abrotman | just making sure :) |
| 23:43.44 | abrotman | M4hd1: is there data on it ? |
| 23:43.55 | plugwash | M4hd1 is there anything strange going on regarding partitions on the box? |
| 23:44.14 | M4hd1 | abrotman, nope |
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| 23:44.30 | M4hd1 | plugwash, nope. Everything normal |
| 23:44.31 | plugwash | a /var partition thats not in /etc/fstab but mounted manually by some script could cause something like that |
| 23:44.48 | abrotman | M4hd1: so purge it and reinstall it ? |
| 23:45.25 | M4hd1 | abrotman, tried it already =/ no luck |
| 23:45.45 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 23:45.45 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 23:45.53 | abrotman | M4hd1: you purged it? .. not just removed it ? |
| 23:45.59 | plugwash | M4hd1 you could spawn a shell in the mysql startup script and see if you can see anything unusual about the system from there |
| 23:46.01 | abrotman | M4hd1: and mysql-common ? |
| 23:46.06 | M4hd1 | abrotman, yep. apt-get --purge remove mysql-server mysql-client |
| 23:46.10 | simonrvn | afk |
| 23:46.14 | abrotman | M4hd1: -common ? |
| 23:46.15 | M4hd1 | abrotman, purged it too |
| 23:46.19 | abrotman | there is a -common right ? |
| 23:46.23 | M4hd1 | abrotman, right |
| 23:46.29 | tix64 | M4hd1: is the /etc/rc2.d/Sxxmysql (or whatever your default runlevel is) a symlink to /etc/init.d/mysqld? |
| 23:46.46 | Phated | resiak: The rejected bash? :) |
| 23:46.51 | abrotman | ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S##mysql |
| 23:46.59 | M4hd1 | abrotman, it works if i run /etc/init.d/mysqld start . Only doesnt work on the boot process |
| 23:47.14 | abrotman | i want pasta! |
| 23:47.24 | plugwash | can someone please remove the security support for sarge notice from the topic here until it is cleared up what it means |
| 23:47.41 | Adelic | Where can i find a german support Channel for Debian ?¿? |
| 23:47.45 | abrotman | plugwash: i can say the source works .. |
| 23:47.47 | Phated | !de |
| 23:47.47 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 23:47.48 | abrotman | !de |
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| 23:47.53 | plugwash | someone asked on the debian-security list a few days ago but there were no replies |
| 23:47.56 | Phated | !win me |
| 23:47.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, phated! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 23:47.58 | resiak | Phated: Yes. |
| 23:47.59 | M4hd1 | tix64, yes. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2005-03-17 19:06 ../rc3.d/S20mysql -> ../init.d/mysql |
| 23:48.00 | plugwash | abrotman the source always worked... |
| 23:48.03 | Phated | resiak: It was fun. |
| 23:48.07 | plugwash | it just didn't contain anything |
| 23:48.07 | abrotman | plugwash: not always :) |
| 23:48.17 | abrotman | M4hd1: not rc3 |
| 23:48.21 | abrotman | err rc3.d |
| 23:48.29 | plugwash | abrotman well it existed LONG LONG before the freeze |
| 23:48.35 | abrotman | plugwash: i know |
| 23:48.42 | tix64 | M4hd1: is 3 your default runlevel? |
| 23:48.45 | M4hd1 | abrotman, isnt that where it sould b? |
| 23:48.51 | abrotman | plugwash: did you send an email to -devel or -security ? |
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| 23:48.58 | abrotman | M4hd1: rc2.d ... like i said before |
| 23:49.03 | Decrypt1 | uhh guys |
| 23:49.07 | Decrypt1 | i need some help |
| 23:49.15 | abrotman | !help |
| 23:49.16 | plugwash | abrotman i didn't personally but someone already sent one to -security and got NO replies |
| 23:49.17 | M4hd1 | tix64, well, i didnt touch the runlevels. It's what the installer set for me |
| 23:49.19 | resiak | Phated: It was. |
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| 23:49.20 | genix_ | caphuso: still there? |
| 23:49.28 | Decrypt1 | !help |
| 23:49.30 | M4hd1 | abrotman, hmmm let me try moving it to rc2.d |
| 23:49.31 | abrotman | plugwash: it was pretty badly worded :) |
| 23:49.41 | abrotman | M4hd1: run level 2 is the default |
| 23:49.48 | caphuso | genix_: i think you mean cafuego |
| 23:49.51 | abrotman | Decrypt1: state your problem |
| 23:49.58 | genix_ | caphuso: no |
| 23:50.02 | plugwash | abrotman hmm i'm not sure i could have put it much better |
| 23:50.02 | tix64 | M4hd1: just check what your current runlevel is. |
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| 23:50.10 | abrotman | plugwash: well .. send another then |
| 23:50.11 | M4hd1 | tix64, how do i do that? |
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| 23:50.20 | abrotman | M4hd1: /etc/inittab |
| 23:50.24 | Decrypt1 | internet isn't working; using a USB connected Cable Modem by Ambit MIcrosystems |
| 23:50.25 | abrotman | but it shuld be 2 |
| 23:50.38 | tix64 | M4hd1: "runlevel" |
| 23:50.52 | M4hd1 | default is 2 |
| 23:50.56 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:51.05 | genix_ | caphuso: I have php and apache working together, I can even run my mysql databases in phpMyAdmin but not use them in my own php code (the code working, tried it yesterday) |
| 23:51.21 | abrotman | genix_: why not ? |
| 23:51.23 | M4hd1 | tictac, i ran a find on /etc and S20mysql seems to be on each of the /etc/rc*.d |
| 23:51.29 | M4hd1 | tix64, i ran a find on /etc and S20mysql seems to be on each of the /etc/rc*.d |
| 23:51.33 | Decrypt1 | internet isn't working; using a USB connected Cable Modem by Ambit MIcrosystems |
| 23:51.35 | Decrypt1 | anybody help? |
| 23:51.57 | caphuso | genix_: what exactly makes you think i could help? |
| 23:52.02 | abrotman | Decrypt1: yes .. use a ethernet cable modem :) |
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| 23:52.29 | resiak | M4hd1: Yes. What's your point? |
| 23:52.33 | Decrypt1 | abrotman: eh, I get that alot, modems = like 70$ |
| 23:52.47 | Decrypt1 | anyways |
| 23:52.48 | abrotman | Decrypt1: yes .. but pain is less :) |
| 23:52.51 | abrotman | !usb modem |
| 23:52.54 | M4hd1 | tix64, except for rc0.d 1 and 6, which has a K20mysql |
| 23:52.54 | abrotman | hrm |
| 23:53.06 | Decrypt1 | is there any way to fix it? |
| 23:53.18 | tix64 | M4hd1: and /etc/rc2.d/S20mysql is a symlink to /etc/init.d/mysql? |
| 23:53.44 | cafuego | !nm |
| 23:53.44 | dpkg | from memory, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
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| 23:53.59 | M4hd1 | resiak, well, mysqld fails to load lacking for /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock. BUt it hapeens only when booting. After the sys is up, it works fine if i run /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 23:54.01 | M4hd1 | tix64, yes |
| 23:54.10 | resiak | M4hd1: Ignore me, then. |
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| 23:54.27 | abrotman | !kill the stupid fucking dogs |
| 23:54.45 | tix64 | M4hd1: what's the exact error mysql spits out at boot time. |
| 23:54.50 | resiak | !eat abrotman |
| 23:54.56 | abrotman | they won't stop fucking barking |
| 23:54.59 | abrotman | for .. like an hour |
| 23:55.04 | M4hd1 | tix64, it's a big one i got on syslog. May i paste it on #flood? |
| 23:55.06 | resiak | !eat dogs in Korea |
| 23:55.13 | tix64 | M4hd1: yep. |
| 23:55.29 | resiak | abrotman: I know you're not Guerin, by the way. |
| 23:56.30 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:56.38 | tix64 | M4hd1: are you sure there is not another instance of mysql started at boot time (e.g. a self compiled mysql)? |
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| 23:57.25 | M4hd1 | tix64, yep. Pretty sure. Only the one apt installed |
| 23:57.54 | Decrypt1 | anybody willing to help me with my problem |
| 23:57.58 | Decrypt1 | and not say buy new hardware? |
| 23:58.24 | abrotman | Decrypt1: you did google a bit? |
| 23:58.30 | abrotman | Decrypt1: do you get an IP even? |
| 23:58.48 | Decrypt1 | i donno |
| 23:58.53 | Decrypt1 | it just doesn't recognize the modem |
| 23:58.55 | Decrypt1 | well it does |
| 23:58.59 | Decrypt1 | just kind of ignores it |
| 23:59.43 | tix64 | M4hd1: how many lines does "ls -l /etc/rc2.d|grep mysql" spit out? |
