| 00:00.08 | M4hd1 | one |
| 00:00.10 | M4hd1 | :) |
| 00:00.32 | ethics | Decrypt1: googleing usb modem debian seems to say that its easier to do it in woody and then upgrade to sarge.....but im not sure if thats the best method |
| 00:00.42 | abrotman | Decrypt1: stop being vague |
| 00:00.51 | Decrypt1 | :[ |
| 00:00.58 | Decrypt1 | what do you want me to tell you? |
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| 00:02.09 | tix64 | M4hd1: what does "grep bind-address /etc/mysql/my.cnf" give you? |
| 00:02.34 | abrotman | Decrypt1: does it show up in dmesg ? .. do the lights blink? anything ? |
| 00:02.48 | abrotman | Decrypt1: all we've gotten so far is .. it doesn't work |
| 00:02.50 | abrotman | !doesn't wrok |
| 00:02.50 | M4hd1 | tix64, bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:02.51 | Decrypt1 | no no, the cable modem works and all |
| 00:02.52 | abrotman | !doesn't work |
| 00:02.53 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:03.01 | Decrypt1 | it sends signals through the usb |
| 00:03.05 | abrotman | Decrypt1: does debian see it .. lsusb might help here |
| 00:03.07 | tix64 | M4hd1: what version of mysql-server is this? |
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| 00:03.15 | Esotericisms | how do I go about setting up alsa? |
| 00:03.26 | abrotman | !alsa |
| 00:03.26 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 00:03.33 | Decrypt1 | hmmm |
| 00:03.34 | M4hd1 | tix64, Version: 4.0.24-7 |
| 00:03.34 | Decrypt1 | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bb2:6098 Ambit Microsystems Corp. USB Cable Modem |
| 00:03.41 | Decrypt1 | it sees it |
| 00:03.42 | abrotman | well .. that's a good thing |
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| 00:04.06 | abrotman | Decrypt1: dmesg says what about it ? |
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| 00:04.26 | Spurty | sorry genix_ :) |
| 00:04.28 | Decrypt1 | woah |
| 00:04.30 | Decrypt1 | bunch of stuff |
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| 00:04.47 | abrotman | debhelper: prepare the cannon |
| 00:05.12 | abrotman | Decrypt1: anything useful? |
| 00:05.25 | Decrypt1 | i think I know what it is now |
| 00:05.39 | Decrypt1 | CDCether might not be running |
| 00:05.54 | Esotericisms | I have onboard sound is that going to be a problem with alsa? |
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| 00:06.12 | gravity | Esotericisms: Shouldn't be so long as they have a driver for your chip |
| 00:06.20 | ethics | Esotericisms, probably not...itll be ac97 or something |
| 00:06.28 | Esotericisms | ok |
| 00:06.39 | Esotericisms | I am going to make sure I have the onboard enabled |
| 00:06.42 | shingouz | ethics: That is just a codec |
| 00:07.17 | tix64 | M4hd1: what does "md5sum /etc/init.d/mysql" give out? |
| 00:07.21 | ethics | shingouz, yeah but you knwo what i mean as in itll be generic chipset mass produced |
| 00:07.42 | tix64 | M4hd1: and update to -8 just to be sure. |
| 00:07.42 | Decrypt1 | usb.c: registered new driver acm |
| 00:07.42 | Decrypt1 | acm.c: v0.21:USB Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters |
| 00:07.44 | abrotman | Decrypt1: say what? |
| 00:07.48 | shingouz | ethics: That is probably true, most of the integrateds are just some plain stuff |
| 00:07.52 | abrotman | Decrypt1: ifconfig -a |
| 00:07.58 | M4hd1 | tix64, e1ccfc745b40371914cf142188af9fa9 /etc/init.d/mysql |
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| 00:08.25 | abrotman | Decrypt1: see anything ? |
| 00:08.30 | ethics | shingouz, : take a cheap crap chip make it do something averagely then sell it = Profit??? |
| 00:08.40 | Decrypt1 | ya |
| 00:08.49 | genix_ | nHow do I enable MySQL support in php 4 for Debian GNU/Linux? I have "apt-get install php4-mysql" |
| 00:08.50 | Decrypt1 | too big to post |
| 00:08.54 | shingouz | ethics: INstant profit |
| 00:09.01 | Decrypt1 | abrotman: PM? |
| 00:09.03 | Esotericisms | alright my onboard is enabled |
| 00:09.10 | abrotman | Decrypt1: rather not .. /msg dpkg paste |
| 00:09.11 | Esotericisms | we will see if this works |
| 00:09.20 | abrotman | Decrypt1: and tell me if you're going to use #flood |
| 00:10.10 | Esotericisms | alright alsaconf didn't find PnP or PCI .. and no ISA were found |
| 00:10.18 | Esotericisms | can anyone help? |
| 00:10.31 | shingouz | Esotericisms: What chip? |
| 00:10.41 | Decrypt1 | abrotman |
| 00:10.45 | Decrypt1 | i'm gonna BRB |
| 00:10.47 | Decrypt1 | in like a few |
| 00:10.48 | Decrypt1 | okay? |
| 00:10.48 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:10.50 | tix64 | M4hd1: hrm, this is okay. seems to be something f**ked up. |
| 00:10.50 | abrotman | fine |
| 00:10.55 | Decrypt1 | thx for your help |
| 00:10.58 | Decrypt1 | i appreciate it |
| 00:11.03 | Esotericisms | shingouz, how do I determine the exact chip? |
| 00:11.11 | Esotericisms | nm |
| 00:11.13 | Esotericisms | lspci -v |
| 00:11.14 | abrotman | Decrypt1: np |
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| 00:11.23 | abrotman | Esotericisms: you're learning :) |
| 00:11.41 | shingouz | Esotericisms: That should help. If nothing shows up how about cracking open the box and have a looksee |
| 00:12.09 | Esotericisms | what chip version am I looking for exactly? |
| 00:12.25 | gravity | Just install discover |
| 00:12.34 | M4hd1 | tix64, yep =/ nothing strange, but mysqld still cant bind its port. Only on bootime =/ |
| 00:12.43 | abrotman | gravity: you DDs have all the answers :) |
| 00:12.50 | takatumi | Esotericisms: any version that remotely resembles sound. |
| 00:12.59 | abrotman | M4hd1: firewall starting at anytime ? |
| 00:13.03 | Esotericisms | gravity, discover is installed |
| 00:13.12 | Esotericisms | anything I need to do to use it specificallh |
| 00:13.26 | gravity | Esotericisms: And your sound isn't working? Check alsamixer to see if your stuff is just muted |
| 00:13.31 | M4hd1 | abrotman, nope =/ |
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| 00:13.38 | abrotman | M4hd1: just making sure |
| 00:13.44 | takatumi | Esotericisms: if alsaconf didn't work, load the right modules. |
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| 00:13.54 | gravity | discover should load the right modules |
| 00:14.02 | gravity | Or hotplug, if that's installed |
| 00:14.03 | abrotman | for alsa ? |
| 00:14.07 | gravity | Yes |
| 00:14.18 | gravity | Not discover1, but discover will |
| 00:14.27 | ethics | hotplug ?? |
| 00:14.29 | gravity | At least I think not discover1. I guess that's something I should know, but I don't |
| 00:14.34 | gravity | ethics: Yeah |
| 00:14.38 | tix64 | M4hd1: okay, just for the fun of it, put the output of "ls -l /etc/rc2.d" into #flood |
| 00:14.40 | Esotericisms | well I installed discover1 |
| 00:14.44 | Esotericisms | so I will just discover |
| 00:14.48 | Esotericisms | now |
| 00:14.55 | gravity | Esotericisms: You don't have to run discover |
| 00:15.04 | gravity | Esotericisms: Check alsamixer |
| 00:15.13 | ethics | i thought hotplug was only for new during runtime? ill have to go read up hehe |
| 00:15.14 | gravity | The volume is muted by default |
| 00:15.15 | Esotericisms | in the gui? |
| 00:15.32 | gravity | Esotericisms: Run the command "alsamixer" in your terminal |
| 00:15.45 | gravity | Quotes unnecessary |
| 00:16.14 | gravity | Esotericisms: You can mute or unmute channels by pressing "m" |
| 00:16.17 | gravity | In alsamixer |
| 00:16.18 | Esotericisms | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such device |
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| 00:16.23 | gravity | hrm |
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| 00:16.40 | resiak | Whee! |
| 00:16.45 | resiak | !magic hate ball |
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| 00:16.49 | gravity | Ok, well that's a good sign I guess. You're missing either some modules. Of course, if you installed discover1, it won't load alsa by default |
| 00:16.58 | gravity | Esotericisms: Is hotplug installed? |
| 00:17.03 | cuti | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.03 | cuti | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.09 | Esotericisms | how do I check exactly? |
| 00:17.10 | cuti | is my harddrive slow? |
| 00:17.13 | resiak | !slow |
| 00:17.14 | dpkg | [slow] ask me about dma, or ask me about nsswitch |
| 00:17.30 | gravity | Esotericisms: Use dselect or aptitude |
| 00:17.34 | resiak | cuti: Faster than mine. Slow is subjective. |
| 00:17.41 | abrotman | shouldn't networking start before mysql ? |
| 00:17.51 | abrotman | Esotericisms: just try to install it |
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| 00:17.57 | Esotericisms | doing so right now |
| 00:18.05 | cuti | resiak, I there a way i can speed up my harddrive speed? |
| 00:18.18 | resiak | cuti: Get a faster hard disk and controller?# |
| 00:18.23 | abrotman | cuti: is it sata or scsi ? |
| 00:18.29 | Esotericisms | installed ... still got the sn_ctl_open fail |
| 00:18.36 | cuti | scsi |
| 00:18.37 | Esotericisms | er.. snd_ctl_open |
| 00:18.41 | abrotman | cuti: then no |
| 00:18.45 | cuti | oh |
| 00:18.47 | takatumi | cuti: the cached reads are about 3 times faster here. |
| 00:18.59 | gravity | Esotericisms: Try just opening xmms and playing something |
| 00:19.09 | cuti | takatumi, what do you use? |
| 00:19.18 | takatumi | cuti: not scsi |
| 00:19.23 | cafuego | cuti: It's a little bit slow for an UDMA66 drive, if it's supported to be ata100, ata133 or sata, yes, it's slow. |
| 00:19.29 | Esotericisms | k |
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| 00:19.49 | gravity | The Brave New World of ALSA is nothing but confusing to me. OSS was simple. |
| 00:19.53 | Esotericisms | btw, I am trying to setup mythtv ... |
| 00:20.01 | Esotericisms | I was using the command amixer which was failing |
| 00:20.20 | abrotman | cuti said it was scsi |
| 00:20.32 | cuti | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.39 | cafuego | abrotman: yeah. that's about as useful as saying it's a harddisk. |
| 00:20.45 | cafuego | cuti: what sort of scsi? |
| 00:20.51 | tix64 | M4hd1: what the hell is S20networking doing in there? now it is clear why mysql can't bind. the network is not even up by the time the mysql init script runs. |
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| 00:21.04 | Esotericisms | xmms failed |
| 00:21.07 | abrotman | cafuego: but you can't use hdparm on scsi |
| 00:21.12 | cafuego | abrotman: indeed |
| 00:21.19 | takatumi | Esotericisms: lsmod |grep snd |
| 00:21.25 | abrotman | cafuego: so .. no way to make it faster via hdparm .. which is the usual method |
| 00:21.26 | cafuego | abrotman: or rather, you can, but it won't do anything :-) |
| 00:21.33 | abrotman | cafuego: yeah .. exactly |
| 00:21.36 | Esotericisms | takatumi, nada |
| 00:21.41 | cuti | cafuego, i don't know how do i check? |
| 00:21.57 | cuti | cafuego, i'm sure it's a scsi |
| 00:22.01 | cafuego | abrotman: Until he specifies WHICH scsi flavour, there's no way of knowing if i's already running at full speed (which it undoubtedly is) |
| 00:22.09 | cafuego | cuti: What do the connectors look like? |
| 00:22.20 | takatumi | Esotericisms: lspci, look for the name of the card/chip |
| 00:22.22 | abrotman | or .. use dmesg to get some hints |
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| 00:22.48 | M4hd1 | tix64, shouldnt it b there? |
| 00:23.01 | Esotericisms | multimedia controller: c-media electronics inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 00:23.05 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure mysql should be like 77 or something |
| 00:23.13 | Esotericisms | well then I have a |
| 00:23.24 | Adelic | Can anyone help me? I have a little Problem with sarge-64Bit |
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| 00:23.34 | Esotericisms | multimedia controller: brooktree corporation bt878 audio cpature (rev 11) |
| 00:23.37 | M4hd1 | tix64, i had to put it there some time ago since my system crashed if my eth0 card driver was up after my bttv driver |
| 00:23.40 | cafuego | Adelic: unless toy state the problem nobody will know |
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| 00:23.44 | cafuego | s/toy/you/ |
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| 00:23.49 | abrotman | cafuego: so close :) |
| 00:23.59 | M4hd1 | tix64, or the opposite, don't remember. Where should it b? |
| 00:24.05 | cafuego | cold fingers, winter's coming |
| 00:24.13 | shingouz | Esotericisms: The Brooktree is the video thingie |
| 00:24.15 | abrotman | M4hd1: mv S20mysql S77mysql |
| 00:24.18 | takatumi | Esotericisms: google, find the module name, load it. |
| 00:24.20 | Esotericisms | ok |
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| 00:24.27 | Adelic | i have the Problem, cannot execute binary File |
| 00:24.29 | tix64 | M4hd1: put it in /etc/rcS.d |
| 00:24.33 | tonb | how to check in bash that argument is a in integer, not a string |
| 00:24.36 | tonb | ? |
| 00:24.37 | Esotericisms | alsa module? |
| 00:24.41 | abrotman | tonb: #bash |
| 00:24.45 | cafuego | mysql is S20mysql on sarge |
| 00:24.50 | takatumi | Esotericisms: they start with snd- |
| 00:24.54 | tonb | ;) |
| 00:25.01 | abrotman | oh .. i htouhgt it was like 77 |
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| 00:25.35 | to__ | hi |
| 00:25.40 | Esotericisms | should I install alsa-base? |
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| 00:25.47 | cafuego | The network is started in /etc/rcS.d/S40networking |
| 00:25.55 | tix64 | right |
| 00:25.56 | cafuego | Well before rc2.d is even used. |
| 00:25.59 | takatumi | Esotericisms: add it alsa-utils as well. |
| 00:26.04 | takatumi | s/it/in |
| 00:26.20 | Esotericisms | already have alsa-utils |
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| 00:26.54 | Esotericisms | guess I already have alsa-base |
| 00:27.57 | Esotericisms | how do I install the module once I find it (which I haven't found it yet) |
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| 00:28.08 | takatumi | Esotericisms: modconf |
| 00:28.31 | to_ | hi, i try to configure netfilter via iptables but i've got a problem: i want to access http content so i make a "iptables -t filter -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -s 82.229.245.231 -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT && iptables -t filter -A INPUT -i eth0 -d 82.229.245.231 -p tcp --sport 80 -j ACCEPT" |
| 00:28.51 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 00:28.57 | shingouz | Esotericisms: You need to google for the appropriate module name if no automagical thingie sees it. |
| 00:29.16 | Esotericisms | well I am not sure what module I am looking for |
| 00:29.46 | Snadder | how do I remove apt-get proxy configuration? |
| 00:30.04 | Snadder | my apt proxy is down... need to upgrade some packages |
| 00:30.15 | shingouz | Esotericisms: How about hitting google with the chipset name and major kernel version |
| 00:30.23 | cafuego | Muahahaha! |
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| 00:31.06 | topside | hwhat besides mplayer can do WMV? |
| 00:31.15 | Esotericisms | damnit |
| 00:31.23 | topside | debian saying no installabale package for mplayer (mplayer-686, etc) |
| 00:31.24 | shingouz | Esotericisms: ? |
| 00:31.32 | cafuego | to_: Your machibne will not use sport tcp/80 |
| 00:31.41 | shingouz | topside: Do you have the marillat in sources-list |
| 00:31.42 | Esotericisms | I guess I am just lost as to what I am looking for ... am I looking for a file or a name? ... |
| 00:31.44 | cafuego | to_: You're better off doing state matching. |
| 00:31.57 | takatumi | Esotericisms: try snd-cmipci |
| 00:31.58 | shingouz | Esotericisms: sec |
| 00:32.08 | topside | shingouz, i have a pretty vanilla sources-list |
| 00:32.09 | Snadder | I get "connect (111 Connection refused)" |
| 00:32.12 | Snadder | when I run apt-get |
| 00:32.17 | cafuego | to_: iptables -A OUTPUT -m state --state NEW -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT # Allow outgoing to remove web server port. |
| 00:32.26 | shingouz | Esotericisms: c-media electronics inc CM8738 <--- that one |
| 00:32.34 | shingouz | !tell topside about marillat |
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| 00:32.35 | Snadder | I belive I have some kinda apt-get proxy settings on.. anyone know what I should do? |
| 00:32.37 | Esotericisms | shingouz, yes |
| 00:32.50 | cafuego | to_: iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT # Allow remote replies (of any kind) back in |
| 00:32.53 | Esotericisms | takatumi, that isn't a command so what am I trying that with? |
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| 00:33.01 | to_ | cafuego: i don't really understand..why my machine won't use sport tcp/80? |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | netfilter.org has great docs on iptables |
| 00:33.25 | cafuego | to_: port 80 is a reserved port. users cann't initiate connections from ports under 1024 locally. |
| 00:33.35 | cafuego | to_: *only* root can do that. |
| 00:33.36 | M4hd1 | tix64, just a sec. Let me try it |
| 00:33.37 | shingouz | Esotericisms: I guess you should modprobe that module in and see if it works. snd-cmipci |
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| 00:33.59 | tix64 | to_: because your web browser is unlikely to open up port 80 for outgoing connections. |
| 00:34.10 | Esotericisms | shingouz, says can't load module snd-cmipci |
| 00:34.25 | shingouz | Esotericisms: :( |
| 00:34.38 | takatumi | Esotericisms: which kernel? |
| 00:34.41 | to_ | cafuego: oki thx.. |
| 00:34.57 | cafuego | to_: On a home machine I wouldn't bother firewalling OUTPUT at all, btw. |
| 00:35.19 | abrotman | unless you run windows :) |
| 00:35.29 | shingouz | But you dont ;) |
| 00:35.40 | cafuego | Then I'd firewall the hop in between windows and the internet, NOT windows itself ;-) |
| 00:35.57 | to_ | cafuego: yes you're right ;) |
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| 00:36.17 | Esotericisms | kernel ... |
| 00:36.22 | Esotericisms | just sec |
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| 00:36.28 | shingouz | uname -a |
| 00:36.39 | Esotericisms | I actually knew that one |
| 00:36.40 | Esotericisms | :) |
| 00:36.40 | cafuego | to_: 'iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT' is an easy way to allow in any packets related to connections your own machine has inmitiated. |
| 00:36.48 | shingouz | Just making sure... |
| 00:36.49 | Esotericisms | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 00:37.00 | shingouz | !tell Esotericisms about real kernel |
| 00:37.03 | Esotericisms | I appreciate it though |
| 00:37.05 | takatumi | Esotericisms: stone age. |
| 00:37.20 | cafuego | to_: I use that on mine, but I do check for scans and floods in the '-t nat' table first. |
| 00:37.44 | shingouz | Esotericisms: What I am suggesting is that you apt-get a newer kernel inplace and try the sound again |
| 00:37.48 | takatumi | Esotericisms: are you on woody? |
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| 00:38.07 | abrotman | sarge |
| 00:38.17 | takatumi | with that kernel? |
| 00:38.49 | Esotericisms | I originally installed woody |
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| 00:38.53 | Esotericisms | then I change my apt sources |
| 00:38.59 | Esotericisms | did a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:39.16 | M4hd1 | tix64, tkz a lot! really! =D it's working fine now! |
| 00:39.18 | Esotericisms | 2.4-386 alright? |
| 00:39.28 | abrotman | 2.6!!! |
| 00:39.31 | Esotericisms | ok |
| 00:39.31 | shingouz | Esotericisms: Depends on what cpu you have |
| 00:39.33 | takatumi | Esotericisms: 2.6 is better with ALSA |
| 00:39.54 | Esotericisms | AMD Athlon 1800 XP+ |
| 00:39.56 | M4hd1 | abrotman, does the networking symlink have to be S77networking on rcS.d? Is that the default? |
| 00:40.02 | toresbe | grrrrr! |
| 00:40.06 | tix64 | M4hd1: wonderful. another job well done. |
| 00:40.07 | abrotman | M4hd1: don't touch that |
| 00:40.24 | tix64 | M4hd1: nope S40networking |
| 00:40.25 | resiak | toresbe: ? |
| 00:40.27 | Esotericisms | 386 or 686 ... I forget |
| 00:40.31 | M4hd1 | abrotman, i already did. Just want to fix it =D |
| 00:40.32 | Esotericisms | doh |
| 00:40.34 | abrotman | M4hd1: if your mysql is working .. don't mess with it |
| 00:40.38 | Esotericisms | nm ... should be 386 |
| 00:40.45 | toresbe | oops, crap, wrong window |
| 00:40.49 | topside | anyone know how to get mms:// protocol to work? streaming windows video i think |
| 00:40.55 | M4hd1 | abrotman, it is now. Hope my sys wont crash when i turn the tv on, lol |
| 00:40.57 | abrotman | i don't even have a networking link in rc2.d |
| 00:41.00 | shingouz | Esotericisms: The 386 will run on it but I think you should be able to use 686 or k6 (if there is such a beast) |
| 00:41.08 | abrotman | M4hd1: or crash the tv :) |
| 00:41.08 | resiak | topside: mozilla-mplayer ? |
| 00:41.09 | Esotericisms | ok |
| 00:41.11 | Wyzard | topside: I think mplayer supports that |
| 00:41.17 | topside | hmm |
| 00:41.21 | Esotericisms | updating kernel right now |
| 00:41.24 | topside | i hit run with mplayer but said unknown protocol |
| 00:41.24 | topside | one sec |
| 00:41.27 | topside | lemme reload mozilla |
| 00:41.27 | takatumi | live pr0n in mplayer? |
| 00:41.32 | shingouz | :) |
| 00:41.40 | topside | sorta |
| 00:41.41 | M4hd1 | abrotman, kinda =D luckly both are working now. Guess the old bugs are now solved |
| 00:41.49 | topside | streaming video from my PVR is what im doing |
| 00:41.49 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 00:42.01 | M4hd1 | abrotman, tkz a lot too =D really appreciate it! |
| 00:42.14 | takatumi | topside: yeah right. |
| 00:42.17 | abrotman | M4hd1: what's the moral of the story ? |
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| 00:42.37 | Esotericisms | topside, that is what I am trying to get setup on mine |
| 00:42.49 | M4hd1 | abrotman, dont mess with your system or it'll mess your mysql |
| 00:43.04 | abrotman | M4hd1: well .. kind of |
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| 00:43.17 | topside | Esotericisms, what PVR? im using BeyondTV |
| 00:43.20 | topside | i love BTV |
| 00:43.33 | M4hd1 | =D |
| 00:43.52 | Esotericisms | topside, mythtv |
| 00:44.04 | topside | ahh - im running it on a windows box |
| 00:44.09 | Esotericisms | what is the whole initrd thingy abrotman? I need to edit the lilo.conf |
| 00:44.09 | topside | no mythtv for windows |
| 00:44.18 | Esotericisms | yeah |
| 00:44.21 | concept10 | What do I have to do with mysl to setup mambo cms? |
| 00:44.30 | topside | Mozilla: mms:// is not a valid protocol |
| 00:44.32 | M4hd1 | gotta go now. Tkz a lot abrotman and tix64 |
| 00:44.34 | concept10 | *mysql |
| 00:45.01 | takatumi | tix64? |
| 00:45.02 | dismal | got a random question :P |
| 00:45.07 | dismal | Does anyone know of some good programs to test CPU stability? |
| 00:45.16 | dismal | like memtest86 but for the cpu |
| 00:45.18 | raf256 | dismal: prime95 |
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| 00:45.24 | takatumi | dismal: compile a kernel |
| 00:45.25 | tix64 | takatumi: aye? |
| 00:45.36 | dismal | cant compile a kernel for 24 hours |
| 00:45.37 | dismal | :X |
| 00:45.45 | dismal | will look into prime |
| 00:45.47 | takatumi | tix64: ah, I thought that was a new incarnation of thanks. |
| 00:45.50 | abrotman | Esotericisms: huh? |
| 00:45.53 | abrotman | Esotericisms: uname -r |
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| 00:46.06 | tix64 | takatumi: yes, people call me that :P |
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| 00:46.22 | Flav | How can I get dpkg to "force" a removal when postrm scripts are failing, but I don't care? |
| 00:46.32 | Esotericisms | I am getting a message when I 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 ... I am attempting to install a initrd kernel ... blah blah |
| 00:46.35 | resiak | Flav: Hi, and welcome to the wrong channel. :-) |
| 00:46.44 | takatumi | Esotericisms: read it and do likewise. |
| 00:46.50 | tix64 | dismal: va-ctcs |
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| 00:47.17 | abrotman | Esotericisms: uname -r |
| 00:47.25 | dismal | rgr |
| 00:47.26 | genix_ | How can I solve this?: E: Package libapache-mod-php5 has no installation candidate |
| 00:47.34 | resiak | !tell genix_ -about php5 |
| 00:48.17 | Esotericisms | abrotman, I haven't installed the new kernel yet |
| 00:48.29 | Esotericisms | I am hoping that I changed my lilo conf right |
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| 00:48.43 | abrotman | Esotericisms: what are you running now? |
| 00:48.47 | abrotman | it's not a hard question |
| 00:48.48 | genix_ | resiak: Have you installed php5? |
| 00:48.50 | twopir | sup |
| 00:49.00 | abrotman | noone should install php5 |
| 00:49.02 | Esotericisms | 2.2.20-something |
| 00:49.05 | twopir | I'm trying to prove that redhat is crap to a boss who doesn't believe it |
| 00:49.12 | takatumi | abrotman: 03:37:06 Esotericisms | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 00:49.12 | abrotman | Esotericisms: then read what it says very carefully |
| 00:49.14 | twopir | is there any way to build an rpm on Debian from a tarball? |
| 00:49.14 | Esotericisms | idepci |
| 00:49.30 | Esotericisms | sorry I was in the middle of reading something on the conf |
| 00:49.32 | abrotman | twopir: i suppose it's possible .. but why? |
| 00:49.35 | resiak | genix_: No, but I have !tell foo about bar madskillz. |
| 00:49.46 | twopir | abrotman, rpmbuild just says no |
| 00:49.52 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:50.05 | topside | hmm |
| 00:50.06 | twopir | abrotman, rpmbuild is saying "To install packages on Debian use alien" |
| 00:50.10 | twopir | which isn't waht I want :( |
| 00:50.14 | topside | i gotta figure out ghow to get mms:// to work from KIO |
| 00:50.18 | abrotman | twopir: how does building an RPM on debian prove redhat sucks ? |
| 00:50.25 | concept10 | I have installed mysql 4.0.23 on a fresh install of debian, what do I have to do next to setup mysql to make ready for Mambo CMS? |
| 00:50.26 | twopir | abrotman, the rpm won't build on redhat! |
| 00:50.34 | Esotericisms | alright restarting with new kernel |
| 00:50.35 | abrotman | twopir: oh .. RH sucks :) |
| 00:50.36 | twopir | it just segfaults :P |
| 00:50.42 | abrotman | twopir: ok .. why doesn't rpmbuild work on debian ? |
| 00:50.48 | takatumi | Esotericisms: ran lilo? |
| 00:50.50 | Esotericisms | kernel is ok ... |
| 00:50.58 | abrotman | ran lilo again ? :) |
| 00:51.00 | Esotericisms | damnit |
| 00:51.05 | takatumi | that fast eh? |
| 00:51.08 | Esotericisms | Kernel panic: VFS |
| 00:51.17 | twopir | [pi@coffeehost] ~/system/compile $ rpmbuild -vv -ta courier-authlib-0.55.tar.bz2 |
| 00:51.17 | twopir | D: opening db index /var/lib/rpm/Packages rdonly mode=0x0 |
| 00:51.17 | twopir | D: closed db index /var/lib/rpm/Packages |
| 00:51.17 | twopir | rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian. |
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| 00:51.21 | Esotericisms | Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(3,3 |
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| 00:51.23 | twopir | sdf |
| 00:51.25 | Esotericisms | shit |
| 00:51.27 | abrotman | twopir: you can't flood here |
| 00:51.28 | twopir | -> #flood :( |
| 00:51.39 | twopir | abrotman, i noticed |
| 00:51.47 | takatumi | Esotericisms: boot disk. you messed up initrd. |
| 00:51.47 | shingouz | Esotericisms: Did you do the initrd thingie in lilo.conf |
| 00:52.06 | Esotericisms | yeah ... got to go find my boot disk ... |
| 00:52.14 | Esotericisms | must of jacked up the initrd thing |
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| 00:52.24 | abrotman | twopir: that's kind of silly |
| 00:52.31 | abrotman | Esotericisms: good guess |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | twopir: better now ? |
| 00:53.06 | twopir | reiniting the db is making it kinda work. |
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| 00:53.12 | abrotman | twopir: kinda ? |
| 00:53.12 | tonb | twopir. and if u build this rpm on debian, this will means that rh suck ? :> |
| 00:53.18 | twopir | tonb: yeah. |
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| 00:53.22 | tonb | hehe. sily |
| 00:53.22 | twopir | haha, force, nodeps. |
| 00:53.25 | Esotericisms | I think I know what i did |
| 00:53.27 | tonb | ;-) |
| 00:53.29 | abrotman | actually .. it will probably mean it won't run on RH anyways :) |
| 00:53.35 | tonb | anyway rh. suck ;) |
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| 00:54.06 | abrotman | twopir: better ? |
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| 00:54.10 | twopir | abrotman, yeah |
| 00:54.14 | abrotman | twopir: did it build ? |
| 00:54.19 | twopir | i need build deps |
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| 00:54.46 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:54.47 | Delph | no; really =;) |
| 00:55.00 | twopir | abrotman, i need the build dependencies, but i'm insatlling them |
| 00:55.04 | twopir | so we'll see if this works :) |
| 00:55.04 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 00:55.30 | jorgp_ | anyone else experiencing issues debian-cd saying that alot of files fail md5sum with my sarge mirror, however running debmirror to create sarge mirror completes error free. running this from sid machine |
| 00:55.33 | Delph | why aren't you just building this in a redhat-flavoured chroot or something? |
| 00:55.53 | twopir | delph, i can't get the package to complete build on redhat! |
| 00:56.13 | abrotman | Delph: he's proving RH sucks .. by building an RPM on debian .. which won't run on a RH system anyways :) |
| 00:56.21 | Delph | twopir: so you're using debian instead.... |
| 00:56.28 | twopir | abrotman, i'll try it :) |
| 00:56.48 | Esotericisms | what exactly is the initrd deal suppose to look like in the lilo.conf |
| 00:56.49 | twopir | the package compiles fine on redhat, but the rpmbuild doesn't produce an rpm, it just seg faults. |
| 00:56.49 | abrotman | Delph: <:-0 |
| 00:56.50 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:56.58 | jetscreamer | how do i tell a program which processor to run on |
| 00:57.00 | abrotman | twopir: which version of RH ? |
| 00:57.06 | abrotman | jetscreamer: affinity |
| 00:57.16 | twopir | abrotman, RHEL 3 (two different boxes) and one FC2 box. |
| 00:57.26 | abrotman | !listkeys affinity |
| 00:57.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'affinity' by key returned no results. |
| 00:57.30 | Esotericisms | what exactly is the initrd deal suppose to look like in the lilo.conf |
| 00:57.38 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's called CPU affinity IIRC |
| 00:57.40 | Delph | twopir: time to dust off the support contract, i think. |
| 00:57.41 | shingouz | Esotericisms: Just after the vmlinuz stanza you should have initrd=/initrd.img and in / a link to the correct initrd in /boot |
| 00:57.48 | abrotman | Esotericisms: initrd=/initrd.img usually |
| 00:57.53 | jetscreamer | initrd=/initrd.img |
| 00:57.58 | twopir | delph, i had a debian box doing completely what I wanted |
| 00:57.59 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 00:58.00 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 00:58.04 | twopir | but then the management decided that redhat was "More standard" |
| 00:58.10 | abrotman | jetscreamer: lies ? |
| 00:58.11 | Esotericisms | right after image=/vmlinuz and its options? |
| 00:58.13 | twopir | since then it's been nothing but trouble |
| 00:58.15 | Snadder | I get something like this error from apt-get.. anyone know why? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/11/msg04429.html |
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| 00:58.26 | shingouz | Esotericisms: No options |
| 00:58.30 | jetscreamer | ok abrotman but how do i say 'ok you run on cpu1 you on #4... (no the lies not you) |
| 00:58.30 | Delph | twopir: ring up red hat, agree to the cost of it, charge it to management. |
| 00:58.33 | Delph | Repeat until they repent. |
| 00:58.42 | twopir | from needing to install an old version of automounter to get it to CONSIDER mounting |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | Snadder: try again .. that mirror may be down |
| 00:58.47 | twopir | to all-around failure |
| 00:58.55 | Esotericisms | no the image=/vmlinuz has the tabbed in options ... before or after the options? |
| 00:59.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: stop .. confusing .. cpu affinity .. google |
| 00:59.05 | twopir | when the debian install went 30x smoother and is in fact working |
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| 00:59.20 | Snadder | abrotman, its not.. since i'm upgrading from another pc.. I have in the same room.. |
| 00:59.26 | jetscreamer | under the image= part |
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| 00:59.41 | shingouz | Esotericisms: Huh? Can you paste the relevant parts of the lilo.conf into #flood? |
| 00:59.48 | abrotman | Snadder: your firewall ? |
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| 01:00.04 | Vladi | hi, how can i align superkaramba themes just like kde windows is there an easy way similar to kde's ALT + leftclick ? thx! |
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| 01:00.07 | Esotericisms | default=Linux |
| 01:00.07 | Esotericisms | image=/vmlinuz |
| 01:00.07 | Esotericisms | label=Linux |
| 01:00.07 | Esotericisms | read-only |
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| 01:00.12 | abrotman | Esotericisms: come on .. |
| 01:00.13 | christine | hello, is there a cmd for listing which of memory slots were used? |
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| 01:00.15 | bztunk | lol |
| 01:00.15 | Esotericisms | doh |
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| 01:00.18 | shingouz | Esotericisms: In #flood, not here |
| 01:00.21 | Esotericisms | sorry |
| 01:00.23 | Snadder | abrotman, atleast.. i've cleared all iptables rules.. no rules there.. |
| 01:00.25 | takatumi | screw all this get GRUB, edit /etc/kernel-img.conf to read do_initrd = yes |
| 01:00.39 | Esotericisms | it is there now ... |
| 01:00.40 | mikeX | However, if that's all caffeine has done to you, you're lucky. What about people misdiagnosed as neurotic or even psychotic, who spend years and small fortunes in psychotherapy--all because no one asked them about their caffeine intake?" |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | Snadder: can you get to another site ? |
| 01:00.41 | mikeX | oops |
| 01:00.45 | m4lu6 | Question: If i'm compiling a kernel, the debian way, for a VIA chipset, should i set the --arch param to, what, "via"? |
| 01:00.48 | Snadder | abrotman, nopes |
| 01:00.56 | abrotman | Snadder: but dns works ? |
| 01:00.58 | m4lu6 | so i don't get a ".i386" in my kernel package name, that is. |
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| 01:01.23 | Snadder | abrotman, well.. internet works.. normal http+dns atleast |
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| 01:01.40 | tyranix | christine: Yes, run 'dmidecode' and it will print out which ones are in use. You'll probably have to apt-get it first. |
| 01:01.49 | shingouz | Esotericisms: Check #flood |
| 01:01.52 | christine | tyranix: tnx |
| 01:01.58 | Snadder | abrotman, also ftp |
| 01:02.04 | Gnurdux | when d-i is asking about manual network module load, will it list by module or the name of the chipset? |
| 01:02.21 | abrotman | Snadder: so all your network works .. except apt ? |
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| 01:03.07 | shingouz | Esotericisms: initrd=/initrd.img of course |
| 01:03.20 | Snadder | abrotman, exactly |
| 01:03.24 | Esotericisms | ok ... |
| 01:03.25 | Esotericisms | done |
| 01:03.38 | Snadder | abrotman, tried 5 diffrent mirrors also |
| 01:03.43 | shingouz | lilo && shutdown -r now Esotericisms |
| 01:03.47 | abrotman | Snadder: anything in your apt preferences ? |
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| 01:04.12 | Esotericisms | ok |
| 01:05.37 | Snadder | abrotman, where can I see those preferences?.. apt-config? |
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| 01:06.30 | Esotericisms | where is the lilo command located? |
| 01:06.38 | resiak | /sbin/lilo ? |
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| 01:07.26 | nunez | I compiled and tried to install 2.6.11-8 and when I try to boot it doesnt see the /proc/modules? I didnt mkinitd and I'm using sata, but with IDE drives on /dev/hd* |
| 01:07.47 | Gnurdux | a? |
| 01:07.49 | Gnurdux | ? |
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| 01:08.06 | Esotericisms | hey shingouz, I get Warning '/proc/partitions' does not exist, disk scan bypassed ..... Fatal: open /vmlinuz: no such file or directory ... |
| 01:08.06 | Gnurdux | when d-i is asking about manual network module load, will it list by module or the name of the chipset? |
| 01:08.13 | Esotericisms | when I run lilo |
| 01:09.04 | shingouz | Esotericisms: That is odd. ls -l / and see if you have the link there. It should be pointing to the new kernel in /boot |
| 01:09.29 | Esotericisms | well I had to boot with a linux boot disk ... |
| 01:09.37 | Esotericisms | it won't let me mount /dev/hda1 to /boot |
| 01:09.55 | Esotericisms | I chrooted to where I had /dev/hda3 (my root fs) at |
| 01:10.09 | shingouz | Esotericisms: Did you use the linux disk as a rescue disk with root=/dev/whateveryourrootis |
| 01:10.25 | abrotman | Snadder: /etc/apt/apt.preferences i think |
| 01:10.34 | Esotericisms | you ever here of ultimate boot cd? |
| 01:10.38 | shingouz | Esotericisms: Hmm.. at least you chrooted there |
| 01:11.07 | Esotericisms | yeah |
| 01:11.24 | Esotericisms | it says wrong fs type when I try to mount /dev/hda1 to /boot |
| 01:11.32 | shingouz | Esotericisms: You could always boot the thing on the Woody install cd with rescbf24 root=/dev/hda3 which would mean you do not have to chroot there |
| 01:11.36 | Snadder | abrotman, I got no such file |
| 01:11.57 | Snadder | abrotman, some weird answer at the bottom there: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-25206.html |
| 01:12.01 | Esotericisms | found a way around it |
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| 01:12.13 | Esotericisms | shingouz, got /dev/hda1 mounted |
| 01:12.14 | shingouz | Esotericisms: The Woody install cd is the easiest option as a matter of fact... |
| 01:12.25 | Esotericisms | all good now |
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| 01:12.39 | shingouz | k. reboot and cross your fingers |
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| 01:13.37 | abrotman | Snadder: how does that help |
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| 01:13.38 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:13.42 | m4lu6 | ok, so what options in make-kpkg make up the parts of "kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686" ? |
| 01:14.11 | m4lu6 | i think i meant a ., instead of a , |
| 01:14.25 | Snadder | abrotman, I have no idea. but he atleast had the same problem.. and managed to fix it.. some weird way.. maybe for no help at all |
| 01:15.08 | Snadder | abrotman, getting abit worried about this.. dont want to reinstall for such a thing:\ |
| 01:15.15 | Esotericisms | alsaconf found it |
| 01:15.44 | Gnurdux | please someone? |
| 01:15.49 | Phated | Gnurdux: Uh, try it and see? |
| 01:15.57 | Gnurdux | when manually selecting network modules on debian installer, does it list by the name of the module or the hardware |
| 01:16.02 | abrotman | Snadder: you tried other mirrors .. http and ftp ? |
| 01:16.06 | Gnurdux | im trying to help a newb over the internet |
| 01:16.13 | shingouz | Esotericisms: There you go. |
| 01:16.17 | Phated | Ask -him- to try it and see? |
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| 01:17.23 | m4lu6 | nobody has this knowledge, eh? |
| 01:17.24 | Snadder | abrotman, yes.. but why am I getting port 13000.. thats not normal. |
| 01:17.53 | Snadder | Could not connect to ftp.de.debian.org:13000 (141.76.2.4). |
| 01:17.53 | Snadder | is it? |
| 01:17.53 | denial | I am having a problem with a socket being deleted on restart, the socket is /var/run/mysqld.sock... I can recreate a link to /tmp/mysql.sock and use mysql, but can anyone suggest how I can find out what is deleting the socket? |
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| 01:18.02 | abrotman | Snadder: no .. not at all .. |
| 01:18.12 | abrotman | Snadder: you're going through some proxy ? |
| 01:18.19 | abrotman | Snadder: do you get 13000 on all of them? |
| 01:18.23 | Snadder | yep |
| 01:18.24 | Snadder | hmm |
| 01:18.26 | abrotman | Snadder: paste your sources in #flood |
| 01:18.49 | Esotericisms | abrotman, when I do 'amixer set Master,0 100%,100% unmute' i get unknown playback setup 'unmute' |
| 01:19.05 | Snadder | abrotman, actually.. it worked with http... |
| 01:19.11 | Snadder | i'm using a proxy.. |
| 01:19.15 | Snadder | but it dosnt work with ftp |
| 01:19.17 | Snadder | damn.. |
| 01:19.19 | Snadder | thats why |
| 01:19.26 | Gnurdux | where would i find out? |
| 01:19.30 | nunez | I have sata cables connected to my HD's, does that mean I need smp support on my kernel? |
| 01:20.00 | Snadder | abrotman, thats why I wondred where my proxy settings was |
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| 01:21.00 | denial | smp = symettric multi-processor... not SATA related |
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| 01:21.20 | abrotman | Snadder: wait .. it works now ? |
| 01:21.21 | SantaOne | hi |
| 01:21.28 | Snadder | abrotman, yes.. with http it works.. |
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| 01:21.32 | SantaOne | yonkel-lappy? |
| 01:21.35 | abrotman | Snadder: so you're ok now ? |
| 01:21.39 | yonkel-lappy | SantaOne: huah |
| 01:21.41 | Snadder | but I whould like to turn off proxy settings |
| 01:21.42 | SantaOne | yonkel-lappy, MEPIS runs from HD now |
| 01:21.48 | denial | nunez: as of 2.6 SATA is handled by the scsi systems... you need to enable, scsi, SATA, and support for your SATA chipset |
| 01:21.49 | yonkel-lappy | SantaOne: good stuff |
| 01:21.54 | Snadder | abrotman, I am.. but whould be nice to know how to turn it off |
| 01:21.55 | SantaOne | yonkel-lappy, but there are some things I wonder |
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| 01:22.05 | yonkel-lappy | SantaOne: bring it back to #mepis please |
| 01:22.09 | tix64 | Snadder: try "grep -ri proxy /etc/apt/apt" to find if you have proxy settings in apt. else check your environment variables. |
| 01:22.21 | abrotman | Snadder: not sure . never seen that before |
| 01:22.25 | SantaOne | yonkel-lappy, oh I did not see that I am in the wrong channel |
| 01:22.26 | SantaOne | sorry |
| 01:22.49 | tix64 | Snadder: erm, just "grep -ri proxy /etc/apt", of course. |
| 01:22.51 | yonkel-lappy | it's cool..... |
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| 01:23.34 | Snadder | tix64, no luck with those two things |
| 01:23.38 | twopir | omg |
| 01:23.46 | twopir | i'm having MORE LUCK building these packages on deb |
| 01:23.48 | twopir | than I am on redhat. |
| 01:23.56 | abrotman | yay |
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| 01:23.59 | Snadder | tix64, abrotman: I know I turned theese settings on.. but dont remember where |
| 01:24.05 | genix_ | How do I enable MySQL support for php 5 (running Debian "Sarge")? I have "apt-get install php5 mysql-server-4.1 php5-mysql". php.ini have: extension=mysql.so. But can't see MySQL in php_info.php |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | Snadder: nice .. |
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| 01:24.17 | resiak | !tell genix_ -about php5 |
| 01:24.19 | resiak | ;-) |
| 01:24.39 | Gnurdux | !tell genix_ -about php5 |
| 01:24.43 | tonb | ;> |
| 01:24.50 | Gnurdux | !tell me -about php5 |
| 01:24.58 | resiak | Gnurdux: /msg dpkg msgdpkg |
| 01:25.13 | Gnurdux | lol |
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| 01:25.19 | genix_ | resiak: =), that does not tell me a shit |
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| 01:25.30 | Decrypt1 | abrotman: thanx for the help |
| 01:25.31 | Decrypt1 | i fixed it |
| 01:25.36 | abrotman | Decrypt1: you got it ? |
| 01:25.39 | Decrypt1 | yes |
| 01:25.42 | Decrypt1 | bugged kernel |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | i didn't even do anything .. yay |
| 01:25.45 | abrotman | i get a beer! |
| 01:25.46 | Decrypt1 | hehe |
| 01:25.56 | Decrypt1 | you helped a bit |
| 01:26.01 | raf256 | how can I connect to IRC via telnet? |
| 01:26.12 | genix_ | raf256: irssi |
| 01:26.15 | Decrypt1 | doubt it? |
| 01:26.22 | Decrypt1 | really you can? |
| 01:26.24 | genix_ | raf256: and run putty |
| 01:26.29 | raf256 | genix_: how can I connect to IRC _via telnet_ |
| 01:26.29 | tonb | telnet hostname port |
| 01:26.30 | Decrypt1 | wow sweet |
| 01:26.34 | repp | raf256: telnet <serveR> 6667; then NICK user; then USER foo foo foo foo |
| 01:26.35 | Decrypt1 | Telnet IRC |
| 01:26.36 | tonb | and send raw command |
| 01:26.36 | Decrypt1 | !!!! |
| 01:26.37 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 01:26.45 | raf256 | oh, NICK user - thats what I forgot, thanx |
| 01:26.48 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 01:26.48 | twopir | raf256, telnet to the IRC server and talk to it. you have to manually PING the server back and all sorts of crap |
| 01:27.08 | Ronin | or just run screen on your home machine and a term client, much easier |
| 01:27.10 | repp | if the server PING :ABD then you PONG :ABD |
| 01:27.11 | raf256 | twopir: is there some more summary example/tutorial of what to do then IRC RFC? |
| 01:27.12 | repp | and that's it |
| 01:27.22 | raf256 | Ronin: no, Im writting a bot |
| 01:27.24 | genix_ | raf256: open Putty, install irssi, open irssi |
| 01:27.29 | repp | raf256: in what language? |
| 01:27.32 | Ronin | raf256: ahh |
| 01:27.33 | raf256 | genix_: bot.. in C++ |
| 01:27.35 | madclicker | does kde has a "shut down" button? |
| 01:27.37 | raf256 | using libsocket++ |
| 01:27.38 | transgress | is there an open source voice chat program for linux? something not skype and teamspeak basically |
| 01:27.38 | twopir | raf, eww |
| 01:27.41 | twopir | don't do that |
| 01:27.46 | raf256 | twopir: why not? |
| 01:27.52 | twopir | raf256, use an irc library :P |
| 01:27.59 | raf256 | twopir: is there any? |
| 01:28.03 | repp | raf256: there are likely frameworks to help you already; if not, don't waste your time, use a language that does. |
| 01:28.03 | Eclipser | raf256, IRC RFC is quite straightforward :) |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | madclicker: i wish kde had an uninstall button :) |
| 01:28.06 | twopir | raf256, probably. |
| 01:28.07 | raf256 | twopir: supprisingly googling didnt find anything |
| 01:28.20 | twopir | raf256, try writing it in either perl or python depending on which one you find better. |
| 01:28.21 | repp | IRC RFC is not even used. |
| 01:28.22 | madclicker | abrotman: what are u using? |
| 01:28.27 | raf256 | repp: thats what I thought, but googling... doesnt find any good C++ IRC client lib :-& |
| 01:28.28 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:28.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:28.30 | twopir | raf256, they both have libraries |
| 01:28.31 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:28.32 | Eclipser | repp, hm? |
| 01:28.33 | Snadder | abrotman, ok.. thanks.. it atleast works now:-)) |
| 01:28.38 | raf256 | I realy want to have it in C/C++ |
| 01:28.38 | abrotman | Snadder: yay .. party |
| 01:28.39 | vorpal | hello folks, i have a general networking question that has to do with linux routers. it is as follows... |
| 01:28.39 | twopir | !wud |
| 01:28.39 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 01:28.41 | twopir | ror |
| 01:28.46 | vorpal | I have two separate private networks and I would like to "join" them. I am using a linux box for the firewall/router for each network. By "join" I mean I would like every node in the combined network to be able to talk to any other node on any port with either tcp or udp protocol. As a final requirement, I would like the traffic between the two routers to be secure. |
| 01:28.51 | raf256 | twopir: I couldn find any... do YTou know any? |
| 01:28.56 | twopir | vorpal, look into vtun |
| 01:29.04 | twopir | raf256, i find C++ is crap and use perl whenever possible, so no. |
| 01:29.17 | repp | Eclipser: my experience was that if you write a client to the RFC (1xxx), then it won't even be able to log into any networks because nobody follows the RFC to the letter. |
| 01:29.23 | raf256 | twopir: C++ is fantastic language realy, whilest You learn it :) |
| 01:29.37 | twopir | raf256, i know C++, it's a degree requirement at nmt |
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| 01:29.42 | twopir | i just don't like it. |
| 01:29.43 | vorpal | twopir, Ok, thanks for the lead. it sounds promising ;-) |
| 01:29.45 | Eclipser | repp, IRCnet (the one and only) works fine :) |
| 01:29.56 | Eclipser | extensions come after the base works |
| 01:30.00 | raf256 | twopir: but do You know it, or do You _Know_ it ;) |
| 01:30.06 | Bart-mdv- | IRC RFC - 1459 |
| 01:30.14 | twopir | god damn! |
| 01:30.21 | twopir | I got these RPMs to BUILD on Debian |
| 01:30.26 | twopir | and they won't even do that for Red Hat. |
| 01:30.31 | twopir | this is FUCKED up |
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| 01:30.52 | ethics | twopir: well youve proven debian is more robust than RH installer??.... |
| 01:30.54 | repp | Eclipser: Maybe. It was a few years ago. |
| 01:30.57 | Eclipser | clients should follow 2811 |
| 01:31.25 | abrotman | twopir: maybe becuase you don't know anyhting about RH ? |
| 01:31.31 | repp | raf256: IRC can get pretty detailed; save yourself some time and put a lot of effort into finding a framework or learning a language that has one. Unless your client is just a simple echo-bot |
| 01:32.49 | repp | raf256: and you might think everything is cool... then you try your spiffy bot on a network other than the one you were developing against and everything stops working ;) |
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| 01:33.11 | genix_ | When will php 5 be avalible from debian sources? |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | genix_: WIR |
| 01:33.38 | jorgp | when using woody for a server, are people using the kernel in woody 2.4.18 or upgrading to 2.4.30? |
| 01:33.44 | daxxar | hmm. why isn't mod_perl2 in apt-get for unstable? |
| 01:33.49 | abrotman | genix_: and most likely .. after sarge's release .. not until then |
| 01:34.05 | jorgp | or even using 2.6? |
| 01:34.11 | ethics | daxxar: cos its not ready....?? |
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| 01:34.19 | daxxar | oh. is mod_perl 2.00-RC6 = 1.999.23-1? =| |
| 01:34.25 | genix_ | abrotman: ok, and when do you think sarge will be stable =) |
| 01:34.49 | poser | I get permission problems when I try to run sound-juicer as a normal user.. what permissions must I change to get it to work? |
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| 01:34.59 | tix64 | daxxar: apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 01:35.03 | daxxar | ethics, sorry, i thought mod_perl 2.xx was out, but the rc is still 1.99 |
| 01:35.07 | daxxar | tix64, that's 1.99. ;) |
| 01:35.11 | ethics | genix_, : according to the prophecy if nothing goes out of kilter then next month early |
| 01:35.16 | daxxar | tix64, see my comment to ethics. |
| 01:35.23 | repp | debian is lagging so far behind it's absurd. This sarge release is making me re-think debian |
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| 01:35.34 | repp | maybe jump ship to unbutu or something |
| 01:35.48 | genix_ | abrotman: how long have woody been stable? |
| 01:35.53 | nCypherer | 12 years |
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| 01:36.00 | abrotman | !tell genix_ about wwsr |
| 01:36.16 | abrotman | genix_: you've been here for two days asking about PHP5 .. what does php5 have that you need so badly ? |
| 01:36.21 | abrotman | !woody |
| 01:36.21 | dpkg | i heard woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 01:36.21 | raf256 | wooo hoo |
| 01:36.24 | abrotman | 3 years |
| 01:36.33 | raf256 | I did connected to local IRC by telnet \o/ |
| 01:36.35 | eonn | hi guys can anyone recommend a linux based faxserver utility thats capible of working with Windows clients |
| 01:36.42 | *** part/#debian eMerged (~user@c-24-23-174-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 01:36.46 | abrotman | eonn: hylafax + pyla |
| 01:36.47 | ethics | repp: i dont see it as a problem... |
| 01:37.01 | eonn | thanks abrotman |
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| 01:37.11 | ethics | repp, when i want to install something...it just works..... |
| 01:37.16 | abrotman | eonn: i use it in my office now .. with LDAP for a bookmark thingie |
| 01:37.28 | shad0w1e | would anyone be able to help me install grub? It keeps telling me disk not found or not a block device? thanks.. |
| 01:37.41 | Decrypt1 | !!!!!!!!! |
| 01:37.56 | Decrypt1 | i'm getting the hang of this linux stuff |
| 01:38.10 | eonn | abrotman: is it capable of forwarding faxes to clients machines |
| 01:38.29 | smacnay_ | eonn: I believe hylafax does this via email |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | eonn: pyla is a client .. you use it in conjunction with a TIFF viewer .. any of them can print if they want |
| 01:38.53 | madclicker | which one does sarge using "KDM" "vanilla xdm" or "GNOME's gdm" ? |
| 01:38.56 | abrotman | eonn: that's how it's setup in my office .. you might be able to do what you're asking . there's a whole website and large faq |
| 01:39.10 | raf256 | what commend should I telnet to say something to channel #xxx (with I had joined, I have nick NICK) |
| 01:39.28 | eonn | ahhh okay, so is hylafax an email to fax-gateway style utility? |
| 01:39.32 | smacnay_ | abrotman: I have never heard of pyla... |
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| 01:39.35 | karsten | smacnay_: I can't recommend hylafax for anything. It's complex and borken. |
| 01:39.36 | tix64 | raf256: it would be nice if you were reading the irc rfcs by now. |
| 01:39.45 | karsten | eonn: efax. |
| 01:39.52 | abrotman | smacnay: use google! |
| 01:40.05 | eonn | karsten: efax? |
| 01:40.11 | smacnay_ | karsten: It never worked for me until the last install attempt. I quit trying to use hardware control and went with software control - now it works. |
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| 01:40.22 | abrotman | eonn: no .. hylafax is a faxserver .. it has capability to send to email addresses .. i think |
| 01:40.24 | smacnay_ | karsten: I did use efax a lot and liked it very much. |
| 01:40.24 | Eclipser | raf256, read the RFC... but if I recall it was... PRIVMSG #xxx : blah blah |
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| 01:40.26 | karsten | eonn: I've tried dealing with hylafax and it's a PITA IME. efax is a hell of a lot easier to get setup. |
| 01:40.27 | grzesiek | hello |
| 01:40.33 | smacnay_ | abrotman: yes. |
| 01:40.35 | karsten | !hi grzesiek |
| 01:40.36 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai grzesiek! |
| 01:40.55 | abrotman | smacnay: pyla allows you (at least hte way i have done it) to see all faxes that have come in |
| 01:41.06 | poser | what do I have to do when I don't have permissions to eject a cdrom drive? |
| 01:41.07 | grzesiek | can anyone tell me how can I map key to a program (ie: Alt-F1 to xterm)? |
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| 01:41.10 | karsten | eonn: hylafax is the old-time solution, I've just found it *extremely* complex and found it failed to run entirely. |
| 01:41.14 | smacnay_ | efax is very nice but does not send faxes to users email accounts. It works fine as a stand-alone |
| 01:41.18 | eonn | karsten: efax is a single user utility though, i need one that can handle 10 - 30 users |
| 01:41.18 | abrotman | karsten: works fine for me |
| 01:41.29 | Eclipser | raf256, http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/rfc2812.txt |
| 01:41.30 | karsten | abrotman: OK. |
| 01:41.34 | karsten | eonn: No it's not. |
| 01:41.38 | abrotman | eonn: hylafax is probably what you want .. but you need time .. and reading .. and patience |
| 01:41.47 | karsten | eonn: It's analagous to a print spool. In fact you print to it, it dials. |
| 01:42.01 | abrotman | eonn: and a Pentium1 with ISA modem works very well :) |
| 01:42.19 | smacnay_ | eonn: I agree with abrotman above. Read everything well and go with software control on the modem to start - then try hardware if you think it will work. |
| 01:42.20 | eonn | okay thanks everyone...will check them all out. Looks like ive got some heavy bedtime reading |
| 01:42.39 | abrotman | to say the least |
| 01:42.43 | abrotman | and morning reading .. |
| 01:42.44 | abrotman | and lunch |
| 01:42.57 | grzesiek | can anyone tell me how can I map key to a program (ie: Alt-F1 to xterm)? thanks... |
| 01:43.01 | eonn | #debian channel rocks yet again! THanks for all yourt help! |
| 01:43.30 | karsten | abrotman: efax: set your return address, papersize (`paperconf` by default), and you're ready to roll. |
| 01:43.48 | karsten | eonn: ;-) |
| 01:44.23 | karsten | abrotman: 'efax -t <number> file'. Again IIRC it can be set up analagous to a print service (similar to 'Doze). |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | karsten: uhm .. efax? .. my hylafax is already working :) |
| 01:45.42 | karsten | abrotman: Cool. |
| 01:45.45 | smacnay_ | karsten: I agree with you in that efax was a dream to set up and use but hylafax, when working, offers better options (automatically answer fax calls, spooling to user's accounts, etc.) |
| 01:45.46 | karsten | abrotman: IIWFI |
| 01:45.57 | karsten | abrotman: ...um. IIWFY |
| 01:46.20 | abrotman | karsten: IHNIWTM |
| 01:46.20 | karsten | smacnay_: Dig. |
| 01:46.56 | karsten | !tell abrotman iiwfy |
| 01:47.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:47.07 | abrotman | !iiwfy |
| 01:47.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, iiwfy is if it works for you. |
| 01:47.12 | karsten | abrotman: Though, generally, IHNIWIME. |
| 01:47.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:47.33 | karsten | Stupid bot. |
| 01:47.35 | karsten | !botatack |
| 01:47.42 | karsten | !botattack |
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| 01:48.16 | abrotman | !botcafe |
| 01:48.25 | abrotman | !angelbo |
| 01:48.26 | abrotman | !angelbot |
| 01:48.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, angelbot is a botty angel |
| 01:48.38 | karsten | abrotman: Wouldn't that better be brewing another bot of coffee? |
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| 01:49.29 | abrotman | doh! |
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| 01:50.23 | abrotman | kookookachoo |
| 01:50.49 | shingouz | abrotman: You sure you have had enough caffeine and sugar today? ;) |
| 01:52.00 | karsten | Worst ten minutes of the day: the ones before fresh-baked bread is ready. |
| 01:52.29 | karsten | Wyzard: Thats 4*4*24! ? |
| 01:52.51 | Wyzard | karsten: No, it's (2^24)^(4*4) |
| 01:52.57 | zinx | (the number of possibilities is 39402006196394479212279040100143613805079739270465446667948293404245721771497210611414266254884915640806627990306816, for those who are wondering) |
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| 01:53.24 | ericb_ | hi all |
| 01:53.31 | herbi_ | are there any web based interfaces for administering 10-50 debian boxes |
| 01:53.34 | karsten | Wyzard: Right. |
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| 01:53.42 | karsten | zinx: I was about to say that, ran out of fingers. |
| 01:53.51 | karsten | herbi_: ssh |
| 01:53.58 | herbi_ | karsten: web :) |
| 01:54.05 | karsten | herbi_: ssh-over-http ;-) |
| 01:54.09 | Wyzard | karsten: Incidentally, the number of possible 1024x768 24-bit color images, written in decimal, is over 5.6 million digits long |
| 01:54.11 | Decrypt1 | ps aux >> processlog |
| 01:54.21 | karsten | Wyzard: Paste to #flood ;-) |
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| 01:54.41 | yonkel-lappy | is there an easy way to set system locale? |
| 01:54.42 | Wyzard | karsten: lol... I don't think even #flood would appreciate a 5MB paste |
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| 01:54.55 | Decrypt1 | DO IT ANYWAYS |
| 01:54.57 | Decrypt1 | W000T |
| 01:54.58 | Wyzard | karsten: Not to mention that I don't actually have the number... my laptop has been working since last night on calculating it |
| 01:55.02 | maher | yonkel-lappy: dpkg-reconfigure locale? |
| 01:55.08 | yonkel-lappy | maher: maybe..... |
| 01:55.10 | karsten | Wyzard: ~ 2,300 pages, printed. |
| 01:55.19 | abrotman | shingouz: i've been almost asleep since 4pm .. and i was still at work then |
| 01:55.20 | karsten | Wyzard: Calculating w/ what? |
| 01:55.32 | Decrypt1 | everybody delete the ./var/ folder |
| 01:55.37 | Decrypt1 | i dare you guys :D |
| 01:55.41 | yonkel-lappy | maher: it doesn't seem like that would do a system wide change.... |
| 01:55.42 | karsten | herbi_: There's webmin. Really depends on what you want to do, and I'd strongly recommend ssh anyway. |
| 01:55.46 | shingouz | abrotman: Eugh. That is bad. Why not hitting the hay already |
| 01:55.55 | Wyzard | karsten: A 3-line Haskell program... not too efficient, I know, but I needed a language with bignums, and both Scheme interpreters I tried returned an out-of-memory error as soon as I entered the formula |
| 01:56.06 | karsten | Wyzard: bc? |
| 01:56.13 | abrotman | shingouz: because then i'll wake up at 4am :) |
| 01:56.22 | Wyzard | karsten: bc can calculate 2^(24*1024*768) ? |
| 01:56.27 | Decrypt1 | isn't that a good thing? |
| 01:56.36 | shingouz | abrotman: Pretty good excuse |
| 01:56.39 | abrotman | shingouz: i can't sleep more than i'm supposed to .. .. so about 7 hours everynight no matter what |
| 01:56.45 | karsten | Wyzard: One sec ;-) |
| 01:57.10 | herbi_ | karsten: but webmin isnt debian specific is it? |
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| 01:57.19 | Wyzard | karsten: Be prepared to wait a while... my laptop has been working on it for over 16 hours |
| 01:57.20 | karsten | herbi_: No, it's not. |
| 01:57.32 | herbi_ | karsten: ok good. just want to make sure im not reinventing the wheel |
| 01:57.39 | karsten | Wyzard: 1878 karsten 25 0 3036 1688 1800 R 42.2 0.2 0:13.81 bc |
| 01:57.49 | shingouz | abrotman: But you are able to sleep decently even so |
| 01:57.53 | herbi_ | im working on something, so you can see how many packages need upgrading, when the last upgrade etc was |
| 01:58.01 | karsten | herbi_: Make 'em *triangles* this time ! |
| 01:58.09 | herbi_ | hehe |
| 01:58.11 | karsten | herbi_: What specific tasks do you want to do? |
| 01:58.21 | karsten | herbi_: apt-cache show aptitude |
| 01:58.31 | maher | Wyzard: maxima and gap do arbitrary precision arithmetic |
| 01:58.49 | herbi_ | karsten: yeah im aware of programs like that, but its a bitch to use it on 50 debian boxes |
| 01:59.20 | abrotman | shingouz: i always sleep well .. i can sleep on a floor without a problem .. |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | shingouz: it just as to be quiet :) |
| 01:59.34 | herbi_ | at the moment i have some shell scripts that do sed voodoo on dpkg output, netstat, df, dmidecode and stuff like that and provide you with a nice output |
| 01:59.36 | abrotman | shingouz: i should really move to the country |
| 01:59.39 | shingouz | abrotman: You lucky s.o.b. :) |
| 01:59.58 | Wyzard | maher: ah... well, bc seems to be able to do it too, so I think I'll use that rather than Haskell, for efficiency reasons |
| 02:00.01 | abrotman | shingouz: uhm .. being woken by sound sucks :) |
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| 02:00.19 | ericb_ | I have a problem with shorewall... I have this line in rules : DNAT all loc:192.168.5.50 tcp 80 1080 that is supposed to forward traffic from inbound port 1080 and forward it to 192.168.5.50 port 80 but unfortunatly that don't work; anyone can help ?? |
| 02:00.42 | maher | yonkel-lappy: actually i think it should be system wide |
| 02:00.48 | abrotman | shingouz: i wake up for the garbage man etc .. and if it's not quiet right when i'm trying to sleep .. just doesn't work |
| 02:00.58 | shingouz | abrotman: True. You still are lucky, my sleep patterns have gotten totally fscked up in the past year or so. Stress*E^87234 |
| 02:01.03 | yonkel-lappy | maher: the man page suggests otherwise...i think i solved the issue though |
| 02:01.14 | abrotman | shingouz: work related ? |
| 02:02.19 | shingouz | abrotman: That but mostly personal crap |
| 02:02.23 | MMaster | my new nick |
| 02:02.48 | abrotman | shingouz: see .. i have no wife/gf/kids .. and i leave work at work mostly .. so i guess i'm fairly stress free |
| 02:02.58 | abrotman | shingouz: i think you need a new hobby |
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| 02:03.13 | abrotman | shingouz: if you /lastlog dogs .. you'll see the source of my stress :) |
| 02:03.57 | furrywolf | shingouz: the new cap and rotor don't fit. going back to the auto parts store tomorrow... |
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| 02:04.24 | abrotman | furrywolf: eat the bastards |
| 02:04.28 | shingouz | furrywolf: I hear you, I had the same problem with my turbo last spring, three different caps for that one |
| 02:04.39 | karsten | herbi_: You're familiar with RSA/DSA key authentication? |
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| 02:05.19 | furrywolf | shingouz: heh. still pisses me off though... I wanted to have it running! not going to bother putting the old one back on. :) |
| 02:05.23 | shingouz | abrotman: I am too lazy to log this stuff and it is not because of the hobby... mostly because it looks like there is going to be a dpkg --purge wife pretty soon (which is not a good thing for me) |
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| 02:05.35 | shingouz | furrywolf: bigger hammer? ;) |
| 02:05.36 | karsten | Yum. |
| 02:05.55 | shingouz | karsten: Stop that, I am hungry and all the pizzerias are closed |
| 02:06.07 | mono | hi, i am trying to format and add a partition to my system, i've tried to run the following and getting the following error: mke2fs -j /dev/hda3 mke2fs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004) /dev/hda3: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock |
| 02:06.14 | karsten | herbi_: Generate an SSH key. Copy it to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for each of your hosts. |
| 02:06.25 | abrotman | shingouz: oh .. my landlords dogs are little god damn fucking yip dogs .. and they're loud |
| 02:06.26 | dondelelcaro | bah. what sort of demented place doesn't have 24 hour pizza places? |
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| 02:06.37 | karsten | herbi_: ...if your hosts aren't sensibly named, create a file (or shell function) to return their names. |
| 02:06.38 | abrotman | shingouz: and i'm sorry .. that stinks |
| 02:06.58 | mono | my fdisk -l shows me - /dev/hda3 76084 77520 724248 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 02:07.05 | karsten | herbi_: for host in $( cat hostlist ); do echo ">>> $host <<<"; ssh $host <do commands>; done |
| 02:07.15 | mono | i want to format that partition and add it to my list:) |
| 02:07.29 | Subvertir | Hi - would dist-upgrading from woody to sarge now (by using 'sarge' in my sources.list) and then dist-upgrading to stable again a few months after sarge becomes stable, a good idea? |
| 02:07.29 | MMaster | lol |
| 02:07.42 | mono | any suggestions? |
| 02:07.44 | shingouz | abrotman: I like the dogs bigger. Lets say 100# and so. And about mrs shingouz, I am not too worried quite yet, just that the situation does get on my nerves a bit. There are other things too but they are definitely not for a public forum like this :) |
| 02:07.49 | maher | Subvertir: just change stable to sarge in sources.list |
| 02:07.50 | Wyzard | Subvertir: Why wait a few months? |
| 02:07.50 | shingouz | !any suggestions |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | Subvertir: if you do that now .. you have to keep doing it until sarge is released |
| 02:07.55 | shingouz | !any idea |
| 02:07.55 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a dozen starving oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 02:07.56 | karsten | Subvertir: Should work |
| 02:07.59 | Wyzard | Subvertir: Dist-upgrade right after sarge is released |
| 02:08.05 | abrotman | shingouz: bigger dogs tend to be quiet more often |
| 02:08.14 | Subvertir | This is a question by proxy sort of thing, I suggested that if my friend wanted a viable upgrade path RIGHT NOW that was my best idea |
| 02:08.15 | Wyzard | Subvertir: And of course, upgrade periodically afterward to get any new security fixes |
| 02:08.33 | Wyzard | Subvertir: Sarge isn't released yet so there might be woody->sarge upgrade bugs, but it's *probably* OK |
| 02:08.38 | Subvertir | *nods* |
| 02:08.46 | karsten | shingouz: Hrm, that's an idea. I should do soome homemade pizza.... |
| 02:08.49 | Wyzard | Subvertir: Many people have been installing sarge from scratch for months now |
| 02:08.52 | Subvertir | thanks for your input, he'll probably keep running stable though =) |
| 02:09.06 | abrotman | i've been running sarge .. since .. uhm . i forget when :) |
| 02:09.12 | Wyzard | Subvertir: FWIW, the current estimate is that sarge will probably be released around the end of this month |
| 02:09.13 | abrotman | probably since gnome2.x hit testing |
| 02:09.23 | Subvertir | Ahhh okay, I didn't think it was so close |
| 02:09.24 | karsten | abrotman: ...five minutes ago? ;-) |
| 02:09.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: not if you don't get fixing bugs! |
| 02:09.26 | shingouz | abrotman: Yes. And they have a nice low growl too, not to mention I do not have to worry about stepping on them |
| 02:09.33 | Subvertir | I see now why you guys advocate just waiting |
| 02:09.42 | abrotman | shingouz: and they aren't so snappy |
| 02:09.56 | shingouz | Lazy is more like it :) |
| 02:10.03 | abrotman | karsten: i have a confession .. i filed an RC bug :( |
| 02:10.22 | Wyzard | abrotman: I've browsed through the RC bug list (though not in great detail) and didn't see anything I was in a position to be much help with, unfortunately |
| 02:10.22 | karsten | abrotman: on what? |
| 02:10.38 | abrotman | karsten: gnomebaker |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | Wyzard: that's what i thought .. until i actually looked .. but alas .. i'm not as smart as you :) |
| 02:11.17 | karsten | abrotman: I *was* going to suggest gnome. |
| 02:11.22 | Wyzard | abrotman: I should look some more, I know |
| 02:11.27 | karsten | Wyzard: 1878 karsten 25 0 10856 9432 1800 R 26.5 1.0 5:44.50 bc |
| 02:11.36 | karsten | Wyzard: ...still cranking. |
| 02:11.42 | abrotman | Wyzard: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&new=5 |
| 02:11.46 | Wyzard | karsten: hehe... still running here too (800MHz Athlon) |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | karsten: gnomebaker is a recent addition .. and it wouldn't even start for me :) |
| 02:12.07 | herbi_ | karsten: yeah thats pretty much how i do it currently, but theres some stuff id like to have in cacheable form like what hardware is in the computer, package versions at a certain date, etc |
| 02:12.08 | Wyzard | karsten: Keep in mind that when it's done, you're going to get 5 million digits of output in your console |
| 02:12.18 | karsten | Wyzard: 1.7 GHz here |
| 02:12.36 | Wyzard | abrotman: ooh, cool, thanks, that's a lot easier to browse than the official one |
| 02:12.43 | karsten | herbi_: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/LinuxSystemInfoScript |
| 02:12.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: yes .. big time :) .. /topic #debian-bugs |
| 02:13.01 | karsten | Wyzard: s/when/if/ |
| 02:13.18 | foxiness | if there command "or u can say script " need to be superuser to do it where i can put it , to active it on startup ? |
| 02:13.24 | karsten | Wyzard: Amazing how something so simple can take so long: $ time echo '2^(24*1024*768)' | bc |
| 02:13.38 | abrotman | karsten: right |
| 02:13.44 | dondelelcaro | foxiness: eh? What you asked for made no sense. |
| 02:13.48 | karsten | foxiness: less /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 02:14.00 | maher | Wyzard: should have done i tbase 2 |
| 02:14.03 | herbi_ | karsten: mine is better :P |
| 02:14.10 | Subvertir | karsten, out of curiosity, what is the point of that 'benchmark' (I use the term loosely (or do I?!)) |
| 02:14.12 | resiak | karsten: You can also say perl -e 'fork while 1' which is simple and takes a very long time ;-) |
| 02:14.22 | karsten | Subvertir: ?? |
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| 02:14.29 | Wyzard | karsten: hmm... actually, this would be a good task for my Gentoo box, which sits behind me and gets updated periodically, but never gets used for anything |
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| 02:14.36 | Wyzard | maher: bah, that's easy, and no fun |
| 02:14.42 | abrotman | furrywolf: not your type :) |
| 02:14.48 | karsten | resiak: Not long enough. And the conclusion of the job is pretty abrupt. |
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| 02:14.57 | foxiness | dondelelcaro, thank you for late me knew that |
| 02:14.59 | fghj | what's up, folks? |
| 02:15.13 | fghj | what's the latest offer from debian? |
| 02:15.13 | foxiness | karsten, thank you for your tip |
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| 02:15.21 | karsten | fghj: A scaler defined by the local gravity gradient. |
| 02:15.24 | abrotman | fghj: for what ? |
| 02:15.26 | karsten | fghj: s/scaler/vector/ |
| 02:15.37 | maher | fghj: refinance your house - cheap rates... |
| 02:16.02 | Wyzard | Subvertir: By "benchmark", do you mean the calculation karsten and I are running? |
| 02:16.02 | fghj | what else? |
| 02:16.05 | Subvertir | Yes |
| 02:16.25 | Wyzard | Subvertir: It's the number of possible 1024x768 24-bit color images... over 5.6 million digits long when written in decimal |
| 02:16.31 | Subvertir | ahh okay. |
| 02:16.33 | shingouz | fghj: Free v1agr4? |
| 02:16.47 | Wyzard | Subvertir: Just think... in that (colossally huge) set are pictures of absolutely everything you can imagine |
| 02:16.54 | fghj | vlarg4? what's that? |
| 02:16.56 | resiak | shingouz: You're behind the times. (|4|_!5 ! |
| 02:17.14 | furrywolf | foxiness: no answer, eh? :) |
| 02:17.17 | Subvertir | Wyzard, computers are so damned cool =) |
| 02:17.19 | Wyzard | Subvertir: Distant galaxies... the underside of your car... Bill Gates dressed in a clown costume... they're all in there |
| 02:17.20 | shingouz | resiak: Nope, just that my mailbox seems to get that crap even now |
| 02:17.21 | fghj | what's vlagr5? |
| 02:17.31 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 02:17.38 | karsten | Wyzard: How'd you arive at the 5.6m digits figure? |
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| 02:18.00 | fghj | free viagra? |
| 02:18.01 | Subvertir | He probably already knew what 24*1024*768 was |
| 02:18.06 | Subvertir | then just took it to the 2nd power. |
| 02:18.11 | Wyzard | karsten: 2^(24*1024*768) is, naturally, (24*1024*768)+1 bits long when written in binary |
| 02:18.23 | Wyzard | karsten: and if you know the length of a number in one base, you can calculate the length in another base |
| 02:18.36 | Wyzard | karsten: (24*1024*768)/log_10(2) |
| 02:18.44 | abrotman | Wyzard: see .. that's why you sohuld play more video games .. |
| 02:18.44 | karsten | Wyzard: Ah. |
| 02:18.58 | Subvertir | Wyzard, you went to school for this stuff eh? I'm jealous1 |
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| 02:19.26 | fghj | does debian have anything for web-meeting or conferencing? |
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| 02:19.30 | trumpetmic | Can anyone help me figure out a permissions error on my printer setup? I'm sharing from my Linux box to my XP box... samba seems to be working fine because I can see my shared linux folder from my XP box, but when I open the printer dialog on the XP box, it says "Permission denied, unable to connect". |
| 02:19.33 | Wyzard | abrotman: Actually, I was thinking about calculating the number of possible pictures that could be output by a Playstation (720x480, 24-bit) and how many you could possibly see in a lifetime, and what the fraction would be |
| 02:19.45 | Subvertir | fghj, gnomemeeting, I can't speak for it's usability or compatibility though |
| 02:19.46 | shingouz | fghj: Gnomemeeting comes into my mind |
| 02:19.51 | Wyzard | Subvertir: No, my degree is in compter science, not math... I'm just playing around |
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| 02:20.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: you seriously .. SERIOUSLY .. need to start drinking :) |
| 02:20.08 | holo | hiz |
| 02:20.09 | resiak | abrotman: I'm still doing my maths! |
| 02:20.13 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:20.17 | abrotman | resiak: isn't it like .. 4am ? |
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| 02:20.20 | fghj | have you tried it? |
| 02:20.27 | shingouz | no |
| 02:20.33 | resiak | abrotman: Mathmos and comscis can drink... you didnt' see me last night. 03231 |
| 02:20.38 | Subvertir | yeah man when I was 19 I was like 'fuck college', now that I'm 22 and working for $8/hr on a barge, college is sounding REAL appealing =) |
| 02:20.41 | jetscreamer | !nice |
| 02:20.41 | dpkg | methinks nice is prime example of SuperJuan, or a good term for GNOME a derogatory term meaning bland, boring, feeble, or just crap. Example: That's a nice haircut. a city in france, or a program that will run a program with a modified scheduling priority (from -20 to 19, where 19 is the lowest). |
| 02:20.42 | abrotman | Wyzard: i mean .. you'll get drunk .. and slobber on girls .. and stop thinking about framerates |
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| 02:20.58 | Subvertir | remember kids: stay in school! |
| 02:21.04 | Wyzard | hehe... I think you mean "drool over", not "slobber on" :-P |
| 02:21.07 | abrotman | otherwise .. i'm what happens :) |
| 02:21.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: you can slobber on .. just make sure thier bf isn't within hitting distance :) |
| 02:21.29 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:21.39 | Subvertir | or if he is, make sure you can whip his ass. |
| 02:21.47 | Subvertir | and/or outrun him |
| 02:21.51 | Sorush20 | Hi everyone.. Anyone know where I can find a data extractor program |
| 02:22.03 | Subvertir | Sorush20 that's a little vague |
| 02:22.04 | fghj | interacting w text is primitive. is there a chat service which can also handle images? anyone can upload an image for discussion. anything like this existing? |
| 02:22.06 | Subvertir | what sort of data? |
| 02:22.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: maybe some night i'll meet you at a bar .. and you can watch me drink :) |
| 02:22.30 | Subvertir | fghj, well on IRC we use 'uniform resource locators' to reference multimedia files |
| 02:22.52 | abrotman | Wyzard: or i'll bring some of the other guys i hang out with(actual developers .. not admins) with me |
| 02:23.03 | Sorush20 | test.. strings mainly... |
| 02:23.07 | Sorush20 | text |
| 02:23.18 | fghj | that would require a user to have a website. |
| 02:23.31 | shingouz | apt-get install blingbling |
| 02:23.32 | Wyzard | abrotman: That'd be cool |
| 02:23.34 | Subvertir | Sorush20, there's a great deal of info online about sed/awk |
| 02:23.37 | Wyzard | abrotman: I still don't drink though :-) |
| 02:23.40 | resiak | The GNOME people are working on a very cool thing like this. |
| 02:23.47 | resiak | Wyzard: And you call yourself a student?! |
| 02:23.48 | fghj | why ont the irc provide a common website for all participants to use? |
| 02:23.59 | Subvertir | fghj, if you want to pay for that, feel free! |
| 02:24.03 | Wyzard | resiak: Well, I graduated last year, but I didn't drink while I was in school either |
| 02:24.07 | resiak | Wyzard: Fair enough. |
| 02:24.28 | fghj | who is paying for the irc? |
| 02:24.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: you've never seen your parents having sex have you? |
| 02:24.32 | Sorush20 | I just want to be able to automate boring tasks like putting a huge data base together with out manual data entry |
| 02:24.39 | Wyzard | abrotman: nope |
| 02:24.44 | abrotman | Wyzard: that's why you don't drink :) |
| 02:24.59 | holo | is there a site to search for #debian logs? |
| 02:25.00 | Subvertir | fghj, donations primarily, I won't touch down on the controversy about lilo spamming the server with donation requests (primarily because I don't give a shit) |
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| 02:25.07 | resiak | !logs |
| 02:25.07 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 02:25.17 | resiak | abrotman: I never saw that. |
| 02:25.18 | holo | resiak, :p |
| 02:25.24 | Subvertir | he meant IRC logs resiak =) |
| 02:25.28 | abrotman | resiak: not your parents .. but one of your parents right ? |
| 02:25.36 | holo | resiak, is a bot |
| 02:25.38 | holo | ;x |
| 02:25.39 | fghj | so if you have images besides, it would attract more donations. |
| 02:25.48 | abrotman | resiak: logs |
| 02:25.58 | resiak | abrotman: i'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:26.09 | abrotman | resiak: are you stupid .. i want logs! |
| 02:26.10 | tix64 | a slow bot. |
| 02:26.17 | resiak | abrotman: i don't know |
| 02:26.30 | abrotman | resiak: you're slow |
| 02:26.37 | resiak | abrotman: are you smoking crack? |
| 02:26.43 | Subvertir | gimme that precious rock |
| 02:26.47 | abrotman | resiak: does it matter to you? |
| 02:26.52 | holo | resiak, is a bot running in a i386 box |
| 02:26.54 | Subvertir | it matters to me |
| 02:26.55 | resiak | abrotman: whatever, i dunno. |
| 02:26.56 | holo | :X |
| 02:27.00 | Subvertir | who gotz da rock |
| 02:27.07 | abrotman | resiak: shuddup |
| 02:27.07 | resiak | holo: parse error: don't know what the hell you're talking about |
| 02:27.11 | resiak | abrotman: okay |
| 02:27.23 | holo | resiak, me neither, i should go to bed |
| 02:27.26 | fghj | a 20-40 MB space would do. anyone who join the chat can upload images. once he logouts out, his images will be cleared. |
| 02:27.29 | abrotman | holo: #debian doesnt' keep public logs |
| 02:27.29 | resiak | holo: are you smoking crack? |
| 02:27.43 | karsten | Wyzard: Incidentally, testing factorials, I find that fact 1000 or so is where I start to see noticable lag. At 33% CPU use, fact(10000) takes ~20s. |
| 02:27.44 | cinix | What recorse do I have when gnome crashes? What happens is that the top panel has a clock which freezes up, the mouse dissapears, but all other applications keep working. I can even navigate through some programs with the keyboard, but it's very difficult. What is the gnome app that I can kill and restart that may restore my desktop |
| 02:27.45 | fghj | dynamic use of storage space. |
| 02:27.57 | cinix | gnome crashes == gnome freezes (what I should have said) |
| 02:28.05 | holo | resiak, i'm smoking with no adictives |
| 02:28.12 | resiak | holo: bugger all, i dunno |
| 02:28.17 | abrotman | cinix: how old is your .gnome dir ? |
| 02:28.25 | bob2 | this is a day in the life of a geezer! |
| 02:28.36 | cinix | I just installed gnome from using KDE |
| 02:28.39 | fghj | Subvertir, are you reading? |
| 02:28.52 | cinix | my debian install is pretty old, it may have had a .gnome dir from ages and ages ago |
| 02:28.54 | abrotman | bob2: farted dust this morning? |
| 02:29.03 | holo | abrotman, is there some reason to not show those logs? it would be very nice to use with google :D |
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| 02:29.15 | resiak | abrotman: I really ought to script irssi to give blootbot answers rather than have to type them out every time... |
| 02:29.18 | Wyzard | karsten: There's probably a big "jump" in time taken at the point where the data being worked with no longer fits in the processor's cache |
| 02:29.29 | abrotman | resiak: perhaps |
| 02:29.34 | karsten | Wyzard: ...that and the fact that factorial is, um, recursive. |
| 02:29.34 | jetscreamer | delete everything but .bashrc and .bash_profile if you want |
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| 02:29.45 | abrotman | holo: privacy reasons i guess |
| 02:29.54 | Wyzard | karsten: Not necessarily |
| 02:30.07 | abrotman | holo: we don't want google knowing that resiak licks his dog |
| 02:30.08 | Wyzard | karsten: It can easily be done iterativelyt oo |
| 02:30.11 | karsten | Wyzard: man bc. That's the algoritm used. |
| 02:30.33 | NOthsouth | heelo, I'm debian sarge, I just install it, and I belive my kernel was configured for less 1G DDRmemory...I reaaly need to change it because I hve 1.5, can anyone help me ? |
| 02:30.41 | Wyzard | karsten: Well, that's just dumb :-) |
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| 02:30.57 | holo | abrotman, LOL |
| 02:31.00 | jrr | NOthsouth: no |
| 02:31.17 | Wyzard | karsten: Actually, I think that's code that you could write to define your *own* factorial function in by syntax, not bc's implementation of factorial |
| 02:31.20 | abrotman | NOthsouth: DDR doesn't support more than 1GB |
| 02:31.26 | Wyzard | s/by/bc/ |
| 02:31.29 | abrotman | resiak: what are you |
| 02:31.33 | karsten | Wyzard: Yes. |
| 02:31.33 | abrotman | NOthsouth: sorry .. bad joke |
| 02:31.34 | resiak | abrotman: i'm a blootbot |
| 02:31.38 | NOthsouth | AHHHH |
| 02:31.38 | abrotman | NOthsouth: uname -r |
| 02:31.41 | holo | e mean logs with sensoring of offtopic/licking stuff |
| 02:31.54 | holo | s/e/i/ |
| 02:31.55 | Wyzard | karsten: But it provides a built-in factorial too, right? |
| 02:32.03 | shingouz | resiak: botsnack ;) |
| 02:32.03 | resiak | holo: s/sen/cen/ |
| 02:32.04 | abrotman | NOthsouth: uname -r |
| 02:32.10 | resiak | thanks shingouz :) |
| 02:32.12 | NOthsouth | abrotman, 2.6.8.2-386 |
| 02:32.13 | karsten | Wyzard: Not AFAIK. |
| 02:32.30 | Wyzard | karsten: Well, *that's* just dumb :-) |
| 02:32.38 | holo | resiak is an alex |
| 02:32.47 | resiak | holo: bugger all, i dunno |
| 02:32.50 | Subvertir | I'm also an Alex |
| 02:32.59 | karsten | Wyzard: Yes, you said that already. |
| 02:33.03 | abrotman | NOthsouth: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 02:33.24 | Subvertir | I like to use $() instead of `` |
| 02:33.35 | Subvertir | because it looks 31337 |
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| 02:34.43 | NOthsouth | abrotman, 4G is not set |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | NOthsouth: what CPU ? |
| 02:34.54 | madclicker | where do i get "(gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-6)" that my kernel was compiled with? |
| 02:35.12 | NOthsouth | Pentium 4 3.2 |
| 02:35.34 | abrotman | NOthsouth: install the kernel-image-2.6-686 ... all will be good |
| 02:35.48 | Wyzard | madclicker: Run "gcc -v" to see what GCC version you have now |
| 02:36.06 | Subvertir | I hope GCC4 speeds KDE up! that'd be nice. |
| 02:36.12 | NOthsouth | ok.. thx very muchh |
| 02:36.42 | madclicker | Wyzard: version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12) |
| 02:36.47 | NOthsouth | abrotman, can I use apt-get for do that right? |
| 02:36.57 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:37.10 | Wyzard | Subvertir: After some changes are made to either KDE's Makefile setup or (preferably) source code to take advantage of the new symbol-visibility stuff, it'll help with application startup times |
| 02:37.27 | NOthsouth | :D |
| 02:37.36 | Wyzard | madclicker: If you're compiling a kernel module, that's close enough that you should be fine |
| 02:37.40 | aficionado | Hi, I am very new to networking. I was wondering would it be possible to setup the routing table (is that the right term?) so that I can connect to a certain computer over a VPN and the rest of the traffic would go through the normal network connection? |
| 02:37.40 | resiak | Use twm, you hippies. |
| 02:37.51 | Subvertir | Yeah, that's my main issue. I like to run konsole over the network and it takes forever to start if you use it independently of KDE. |
| 02:37.56 | bob2 | aficionado: yes |
| 02:38.18 | resiak | Use *rxvt, you hippies. |
| 02:38.23 | bob2 | xterm, fools. |
| 02:38.29 | Subvertir | does rxvt support tabs? |
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| 02:38.37 | bob2 | of course not |
| 02:38.37 | madclicker | Wyzard: thx |
| 02:38.40 | aficionado | bob2: just out of curiosity, any idea on how long would you say the learning curve would be (for a networking noob)? |
| 02:38.41 | resiak | man 1 screen |
| 02:38.45 | bob2 | let your window manager do that abs for you |
| 02:38.56 | Wyzard | Subvertir: Having KDE already running should be irrelevant, actually... the issue is how long it takes the dynamic linker to process lots and lots of relocations, and that's independent of what else is running |
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| 02:39.22 | Subvertir | Wyzard, I can't proffer a good technical explanation for the behavior, it's just what I've seen |
| 02:39.25 | bob2 | aficionado: to do this one task? 1 second, because I could tell you the answer immediately. to understand why it works...not all that long, if you have a vague idea of how networks work. |
| 02:39.39 | bob2 | Wyzard: well, kde programs spawn a ton of crap like dcop if it's not running already |
| 02:39.54 | aficionado | bob2: oh really? I will be connecting to the VPN using the cisco VPN client, does that put any twists? |
| 02:40.16 | Wyzard | Subvertir: There may be other things that have to happen the first time a KDE app starts... but the issue GCC 4.0 will help with is reducing the number of symbol relocations that have to be processed |
| 02:40.18 | bob2 | aficionado: depends how shit the cisco vpn client is |
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| 02:40.29 | bob2 | aficionado: if it just creates a new interface on your machine, then trivial |
| 02:40.36 | bob2 | aficionado: if it's some magic retardo daemon, probably very hard |
| 02:40.44 | aficionado | hmm... |
| 02:40.56 | aficionado | bob2: ok, I will get started on the research. Thanks a lot! |
| 02:41.06 | bob2 | np |
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| 02:41.51 | Subvertir | this chan reminds me of a nirvana song sometimes... "if you ever need anything please don't hesitate to ask someone else first, I'm too busy acting like i'm not naive, i've seen it all, I was here first!' |
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| 02:42.33 | daverd | I'm having a problem with the package for xlibmesa-gl. I get the following error whenever I try to install it: unable to create `./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory |
| 02:42.43 | daverd | I'm guessing the problem is that . on the front of the path |
| 02:42.58 | bob2 | daverd: where did you get the package from? |
| 02:43.01 | daverd | apt-get |
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| 02:43.09 | bob2 | no |
| 02:43.12 | bob2 | what package source |
| 02:43.15 | bob2 | that didn't come from Debian |
| 02:43.29 | Subvertir | How can you tell, bob2? |
| 02:43.31 | daverd | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-fre |
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| 02:43.46 | bob2 | because I would assume the Debian X maintainer isn't that stupid |
| 02:43.53 | bob2 | daverd: no, paste us your whole /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 02:44.04 | dondelelcaro | or better, paste the output of apt-cache policy; |
| 02:44.06 | Wyzard | bob2: or better yet, "apt-cache policy xlibmesa-gl" |
| 02:44.07 | Subvertir | fair assumption |
| 02:44.12 | daverd | it's just that one line and then a non-us source too |
| 02:44.12 | bob2 | true |
| 02:44.44 | dondelelcaro | !+find usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 02:44.46 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:44.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2' (1): (/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2) in libs/xlibmesa-gl. |
| 02:46.32 | NOthsouth | abrotman, Ok i just intall it. i need rebot? |
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| 02:46.39 | NOthsouth | for get new changes? |
| 02:46.43 | daverd | So, any ideas? |
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| 02:47.03 | dondelelcaro | daverd: you still haven't pasted the output that we asked for... |
| 02:47.08 | daverd | ok |
| 02:47.15 | Wyzard | "dpkg -l" on xlibmesa-gl version 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1 shows that it contains a "/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2", but there's no leading dot in the name |
| 02:47.22 | abrotman | NOthsouth: supposing it fixed your bootloader for you |
| 02:47.32 | daverd | I don't know where the dot came from |
| 02:47.38 | NOthsouth | hum |
| 02:47.43 | dondelelcaro | daverd: and what is the exact command that you're running? |
| 02:47.47 | Wyzard | (That's the current version in sid) |
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| 02:48.06 | daverd | dpkg -i xlibmesa-gl_4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1_i386.deb |
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| 02:48.14 | daverd | heh |
| 02:48.29 | dondelelcaro | daverd: and what is the ouput of mount? |
| 02:48.35 | NOthsouth | abrotman, yeh, it is fix |
| 02:48.39 | daverd | mount? |
| 02:48.50 | winxp4life | omg i can't find internet exploerer for linux. wtf |
| 02:48.56 | winxp4life | anyone know where it is? |
| 02:48.58 | tix64 | daverd: just the command "mount" |
| 02:48.58 | daverd | like just typing 'mount' on the commandline? |
| 02:49.00 | daverd | ok |
| 02:49.00 | bob2 | winxp4life: #lame-trolls |
| 02:49.06 | abrotman | NOthsouth: so reboot .. come back .. tell me if it worked |
| 02:49.09 | dondelelcaro | daverd: yes. |
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| 02:50.54 | Subvertir | konqueror kicks the shit out of explorer. |
| 02:51.11 | bob2 | using rsync to get pictures off my camera is so much love |
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| 02:51.25 | Wyzard | bob2: How's that better than cp? |
| 02:51.28 | NOthsouth | abrotman, thx you very much, its fixx.. regardss |
| 02:51.35 | abrotman | NOthsouth: good .. i'm glad :) |
| 02:51.49 | bob2 | Wyzard: for when I dump the memory stick onto my disk but forget to delete it |
| 02:52.04 | zeeble | what camera is it? |
| 02:52.11 | Subvertir | Wyzard, for compatibility, yeah, they're pretty hard to beat, but I think konqueror is the only thing in the OSS world that really compares to explorer, feature-for-feature. |
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| 02:52.17 | bob2 | zeeble: sony dsc-p150 |
| 02:52.19 | Wyzard | bob2: cp -u ? |
| 02:52.28 | zeeble | bob2: nice. |
| 02:52.30 | bob2 | but friends don't let friends by sony crap |
| 02:52.33 | dondelelcaro | Subvertir: bug-for-bug? |
| 02:52.33 | bob2 | so my friends suck |
| 02:52.39 | bob2 | Wyzard: oh. er. good point. |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | bob2: duh :) |
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| 02:52.52 | zeeble | my canon eos300d has a sucky usb 1.1 very slow :( |
| 02:53.07 | madclicker | how do i get around these errors "Depends: libxv-dev but it is not going to be installed" ? |
| 02:53.15 | dondelelcaro | madclicker: are you using sid? |
| 02:53.16 | repp | zeeble: get a card reader |
| 02:53.21 | bob2 | it has a proprietary memory format. proprietary usb cable. proprietary batteries. |
| 02:53.24 | bob2 | yay sony. |
| 02:53.30 | madclicker | dondelelcaro: sarge |
| 02:53.38 | zeeble | repp: yeah... later this month.. |
| 02:53.41 | Wyzard | madclicker: That usually happens when the package *can't* be installed for some reason... "apt-get install libxv-dev" will provide more information |
| 02:53.41 | dondelelcaro | !info libxv-dev sarge |
| 02:53.46 | dpkg | libxv-dev: (X Window System video extension library development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 182 kB, Installed size: 340 kB |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | !lart bob2 for buying sony |
| 02:53.56 | zeeble | hehe |
| 02:54.09 | bob2 | f-spot is shiny |
| 02:54.12 | bob2 | and fast |
| 02:54.13 | bob2 | wow |
| 02:54.15 | abrotman | oh .. and fun |
| 02:54.15 | Wyzard | madclicker: Usually it's because a dependency is impossible to satisfy due to a package being missing from the archive, or because of a conflict that would require uninstalling lots of important packages |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | and .net :) |
| 02:54.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: Did you know Frozen-Bubble is written in Python? |
| 02:54.50 | abrotman | bob2: don't you like the tagging thing? |
| 02:55.01 | resiak | Wyzard: No, it's not. |
| 02:55.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: monkeybubble! |
| 02:55.04 | tix64 | Wyzard: it's in perl. |
| 02:55.06 | bob2 | Wyzard: it's perl |
| 02:55.09 | Wyzard | lol, oops |
| 02:55.11 | Wyzard | Close enough |
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| 02:55.21 | resiak | Never have less true words been spoken. |
| 02:55.25 | Wyzard | I was surprised when I learned it wasn't in C |
| 02:55.25 | madclicker | Wyzard: libxv-dev: Depends: libx11-dev but it is not going to be installed. E: Broken packages |
| 02:55.32 | abrotman | resiak: so you do lick dogs ? |
| 02:55.36 | Wyzard | madclicker: apt-get install libx11-dev, then |
| 02:55.40 | resiak | abrotman: Frequently. |
| 02:56.01 | abrotman | resiak: certain breed you prefer ? |
| 02:56.07 | resiak | abrotman: Human. ;-) |
| 02:56.17 | Subvertir | If you're dumb and want to write video games, check out PyGame! |
| 02:56.17 | abrotman | resiak: you lick human dogs ? |
| 02:56.26 | abrotman | resiak: you must have really thick beer goggles |
| 02:56.29 | daverd | Does anyone have any insight about my xlibmesa-gl problem |
| 02:56.36 | resiak | abrotman: I anthromorphise labradors. |
| 02:56.41 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:56.43 | daverd | This has prevented me from using apt-get for months |
| 02:56.46 | Subvertir | daverd, are you sure X is installed? |
| 02:56.51 | Subvertir | =) |
| 02:56.55 | Wyzard | daverd: Try it on another system, and if it fails there too, file a bug |
| 02:56.57 | daverd | I'm using it at the moment... |
| 02:57.02 | madclicker | Wyzard: zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.2-3) but 1:1.2.2-4 is to be installed |
| 02:57.14 | daverd | Wyzard: and if not? |
| 02:57.25 | daverd | Also I don't have another system to test it on |
| 02:57.36 | Subvertir | daverd, I'd probably just force the install (but i don't actually USE mesaGL, I use nvidia's libGL) |
| 02:57.47 | Wyzard | madclicker: There you go... most likely, the updated zlib1g-dev will be uploaded within a few days |
| 02:57.51 | daverd | how does one force the install |
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| 02:58.03 | Subvertir | daverd, dpkg --force-help |
| 02:58.05 | Wyzard | madclicker: Actually, you might be able to find it in incoming already |
| 02:58.20 | Subvertir | consult the other guys in here prior to forcing the install, they may have more insight on this situation than me |
| 02:58.37 | madclicker | Wyzard: i heard that sarge was frozen |
| 02:58.43 | daverd | forcing gives me the same error |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | !info zilb1g-dev sarge |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | !info zilb1g sarge |
| 02:59.08 | Subvertir | daverd, have you checked the the debian bug tracking system? |
| 02:59.11 | Wyzard | madclicker: Against new features and the like... not against bugfixes |
| 02:59.15 | abrotman | !info zlib1g-dev sarge |
| 02:59.17 | daverd | Subvertir: no |
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| 02:59.21 | dpkg | zlib1g-dev: (compression library - development), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.2-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 476 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
| 02:59.23 | abrotman | !info zlib1g sarge |
| 02:59.28 | Subvertir | daverd, I suggest you do so, this may be documented |
| 02:59.29 | dpkg | zlib1g: (compression library - runtime), section libs, is required. Version: 1:1.2.2-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 02:59.34 | Wyzard | aha |
| 02:59.36 | daverd | Subvertir: I've googled for this problem and nothing comes up |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | looks the same to me |
| 02:59.40 | daverd | if that's what you mean |
| 02:59.50 | stew | !btssmite daverd |
| 02:59.50 | Subvertir | daverd, okay, and to clarify, you're running sarge and have apt-get updated, yes? |
| 03:00.04 | stew | he's running sid |
| 03:00.08 | Subvertir | ahhh |
| 03:00.09 | madclicker | !info zliblg sarge |
| 03:00.15 | abrotman | sid should still have those |
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| 03:00.22 | Wyzard | madclicker: If your apt is trying to install version 1:1.2.2-3, you need to do "apt-get update" so it knows that 1:1.2.2-4 is available now :-) |
| 03:00.24 | abrotman | madclicker: apt-get update |
| 03:00.45 | daverd | apt-listbugs: command not found =( |
| 03:00.59 | Wyzard | daverd: It's a package |
| 03:01.05 | stew | daverd: http://bugs.debian.org/pkgname |
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| 03:02.05 | madclicker | Wyzard:abrotman: am using debian.retgers.edu and nothing there |
| 03:02.12 | madclicker | rutgers |
| 03:02.17 | Subvertir | daverd, are you sure you're not using, I.E., xorg packages from ubuntu or something? |
| 03:02.30 | Wyzard | madclicker: Try a different mirror, or just wait a few hours for your mirror to get the update |
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| 03:02.44 | daverd | I'm pretty sure every package I have came from apt |
| 03:02.47 | madclicker | Wyzard:abrotman: roger |
| 03:02.51 | MrBucket | !blame |
| 03:02.59 | MrBucket | õ_0 |
| 03:03.20 | abrotman | madclicker: i see your problem .. you're relying on crap from new jersey |
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| 03:03.28 | roler | where can I get glmatrix for debian? |
| 03:03.30 | Wyzard | daverd: I just installed xlibmesa-gl on a sid system without problems |
| 03:03.43 | daverd | I don't get it either. |
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| 03:03.51 | Wyzard | daverd: Both my other sid systems have it installed already, and didn't have any trouble upgrading |
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| 03:04.40 | Wyzard | daverd: You could unpack the .deb manually and examine its contents maybe |
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| 03:04.49 | sean_micken | hi |
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| 03:04.57 | daverd | Okay. I don't know how though. Advice is appreciated. |
| 03:05.06 | swazo | how do i partition my hard drive? |
| 03:05.07 | sean_micken | how do i change the gateway? |
| 03:05.09 | Subvertir | daverd, dpkg -X I think |
| 03:05.31 | Wyzard | daverd: "man dpkg-deb", or, .deb files are actually "ar" archives, so "man ar" |
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| 03:06.07 | Subvertir | oh yeah ar X |
| 03:06.12 | abrotman | !tell sean_micken about interfaces |
| 03:06.19 | swazo | anyone? |
| 03:06.35 | Wyzard | swazo: fdisk, cfdisk, parted, etc. |
| 03:06.42 | daverd | okay I extracted the files, and it did indeed create a new usr/X11R6/ in the target directory |
| 03:06.44 | abrotman | dd :) |
| 03:06.46 | swazo | thanks. |
| 03:06.51 | jeff_ | hey, was wondering if anyone could help me out with the drivers to voodoo 3dfx graphics card. Playing any multimedia file sucks cause the video flickers, and my guess is because i am using the stock x driver. |
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| 03:07.10 | Wyzard | daverd: Well, the contents will always be relative to the current directory |
| 03:07.19 | Wyzard | daverd: Look in the metadata for a list of files or something |
| 03:08.47 | madclicker | I just removed "libxkbfile1" package from system after apt-get update i can't find it anymore to reinstall it SOS |
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| 03:09.21 | Wyzard | madclicker: Doesn't seem to exist... it was probably an obsolete package |
| 03:09.43 | awb4422 | I want to rebuild a package with apt-get source to pass some options to the configure script... is that possible or do i have to build everything from source without the help of apt? |
| 03:09.57 | nipplesrulz | hmm |
| 03:10.11 | nipplesrulz | how does one update video codecs for apps like token movie player? |
| 03:10.31 | abrotman | awb4422: apt-build should be able to do whtat |
| 03:10.34 | abrotman | err do that |
| 03:11.28 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: The marillat source has a "w32codecs" package, but I think you have to run Totem and pick "add proprietary codecs" in its options window to make it actually use them |
| 03:11.36 | jeff_ | hey, was wondering if anyone could help me out with the drivers to voodoo 3dfx graphics card. Playing any multimedia file sucks cause the video flickers, and my guess is because i am using the stock x driver. |
| 03:11.42 | daverd | Wyzard: I'm really lost on how to do anything involving packages |
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| 03:12.36 | awb4422 | abrotman: sweet, ill give it a whirl |
| 03:12.57 | madclicker | abrotman: madclicker is looking for a solid repo! |
| 03:13.08 | abrotman | madclicker: apt-setup |
| 03:13.15 | Wyzard | madclicker: I use debian.lcs.mit.edu |
| 03:13.42 | Wyzard | daverd: You should file a bug... but ideally, you should try to find out as much as you can about the problem and include it in the bug report |
| 03:14.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: they seem .. slow sometimes |
| 03:14.35 | madclicker | abrotman: you and your commets. Can't you for once give a straight answer? |
| 03:14.39 | madclicker | thx Wyzard |
| 03:14.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's not that bad IMO |
| 03:14.54 | Wyzard | abrotman: One of these days I'll get around to setting up an apt-cacher in the house |
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| 03:15.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's .. wavey :) |
| 03:15.52 | abrotman | madclicker: i gave you a straight answer you weenie |
| 03:16.04 | Wyzard | abrotman: wavey? |
| 03:16.14 | abrotman | Wyzard: burst-y ? |
| 03:17.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'd love to be able to use carroll .. but that's totally messed up half the time |
| 03:17.17 | madclicker | abrotman: blehh, and which ones do i choose Einstien? |
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| 03:18.06 | madclicker | "try a few" i guess :) |
| 03:18.06 | abrotman | madclicker: one that works genius |
| 03:18.15 | abrotman | madclicker: or .. apt-spy will pick a fast one for you |
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| 03:19.04 | madclicker | abrotman: "command not found" |
| 03:19.22 | abrotman | !installit |
| 03:19.39 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 03:20.40 | madclicker | MIT @ 300Kbs |
| 03:20.43 | madclicker | not bad |
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| 03:23.34 | jla | apt-file. That's what I've been missing :) |
| 03:23.48 | ethics | madclicker: if you apt-get it it will tell you how much your downloading so youll know when t o come back from lunch |
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| 03:25.47 | madclicker | ethics: dont tell me "Tell it to my boss" ;) |
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| 03:27.23 | jcarr | hey, which package contains the files I'd need to develop with QT? |
| 03:27.26 | jcarr | there's so many |
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| 03:27.34 | jcarr | I thought libqt-headers would be it |
| 03:27.36 | abrotman | libqt3-dev most likely |
| 03:27.40 | ethics | madclicker, ...dear madclickers boss.....because your internet is slower than mine which is pitiful i suggest you advise madclicker to spend a few hours at a local brothel/stripclub/cafe until the download has completed.....Consider this your first warning that your wasting peoples time 8) |
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| 03:27.45 | abrotman | !tell jcarr about search |
| 03:29.30 | jaxxan | hey guys |
| 03:29.38 | madclicker | ethics: uh-huh, did somebody said "Pink Slip"? |
| 03:30.14 | jaxxan | i need to come up with a technical solution. but i dont really have idea how to do it )= |
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| 03:30.47 | jaxxan | i'm gonna ask him here, cause i love this place. |
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| 03:31.25 | jaxxan | typically i'd just use two debian boxes and rsync w/ ssh encapsulation |
| 03:31.42 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 03:31.55 | jaxxan | but, i can't cause some dipshit html designer used freaking ASP |
| 03:32.06 | jaxxan | I need a technical solution. my isp typically runs linux web servers, but a customer has developed an ASP web page that needs to be replicated between two win2003 servers (non-cluster) across a high latency satellite link. any ideas what we need to do this? |
| 03:32.06 | abrotman | what does that have to do with it ? |
| 03:32.13 | nichos | does anyone know how to remove the dumb top panel from kde? (the mac like one) |
| 03:32.27 | jaxxan | freaking hate windows |
| 03:32.29 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
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| 03:32.35 | abrotman | jaxxan: rewrite it in a sane languages |
| 03:32.43 | hanchan | helo, how did I add user in samba? |
| 03:32.52 | jaxxan | i'd like to tell him to freaking use php |
| 03:32.56 | jaxxan | but it's a bit to late |
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| 03:33.28 | abrotman | asp2php |
| 03:33.33 | gurubie | How do you effectivelly and best clone a user account but with a new user name? |
| 03:33.39 | abrotman | or pay me .. i did it as my first job out of college .. i'm quite good at it |
| 03:33.52 | nichos | cd linux |
| 03:33.53 | abrotman | gurubie: cp? chmod ? |
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| 03:34.03 | jaxxan | i thought about using two linux boxes, and installing unix services on the w2k3 servers, putting the files on the linux boxes, rsyncing them and just mounting the directories to the windows boxes over the sat link |
| 03:34.06 | hanchan | abrotman, how did I add user in samba? |
| 03:34.17 | abrotman | jaxxan: if you're going to spend all your time working around windows .. rewrite it in something you know how to work with |
| 03:34.20 | jaxxan | but that seems a bit to much |
| 03:34.29 | abrotman | hanchan: #samba .. www.samba.org has tons of docs |
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| 03:34.44 | jaxxan | asp2php |
| 03:35.02 | abrotman | jaxxan: is it one or two pages ? |
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| 03:35.12 | jaxxan | it's a freaking corporate website |
| 03:35.38 | abrotman | jaxxan: yeah .. i rewrote one of those :) |
| 03:35.39 | gurubie | abrotman, that's it? New name and with old name/folder gone. |
| 03:35.41 | abrotman | jaxxan: how many pages ? |
| 03:36.09 | john | what's the command to edit xserver |
| 03:36.11 | abrotman | gurubie: you may have quirkieness with something like gnome or kde .. but most stuff should work ... you didn't say what kind of account |
| 03:36.12 | jaxxan | dunno, a shit ton of pages |
| 03:36.15 | abrotman | !drxx john |
| 03:36.16 | john | dpkg-reconfigure-xfree86-xserver |
| 03:36.16 | dpkg | john: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 03:36.16 | jaxxan | with a sql backend |
| 03:36.22 | john | oh. |
| 03:36.28 | john | ty |
| 03:36.32 | abrotman | jaxxan: i rewrote about 300 pages in 6 months |
| 03:36.44 | gurubie | abrotman, User account. |
| 03:36.48 | jaxxan | ughhh |
| 03:36.54 | abrotman | gurubie: shell or GUI ? |
| 03:36.55 | gurubie | GUI |
| 03:37.00 | abrotman | jaxxan: or you could ask a windows channel how they do it |
| 03:37.12 | jaxxan | they're freaking retarded |
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| 03:37.26 | abrotman | jaxxan: try #web |
| 03:37.32 | jaxxan | ok |
| 03:38.02 | gurubie | abrotman, Would I use the user GUI to create and then copy over it with the other? Would that set groups too? |
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| 03:38.19 | madclicker | later all |
| 03:38.29 | abrotman | gurubie: i'd just use as little as possible if i could .. just enough to get what you need copied over |
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| 03:39.03 | john | oh, how about kill x? |
| 03:39.40 | gurubie | abrotman, Goal=Same user account/HD install but using new Linux converts name. |
| 03:39.41 | john | nvm got it |
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| 03:40.08 | abrotman | gurubie: that doesn't quite make sense |
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| 03:40.53 | gurubie | abrotman, Sure. same everything but user name. |
| 03:41.18 | awb4422 | abrotman: are you familiar with apt-build's usage? |
| 03:41.25 | abrotman | gurubie: try it .. cp and chmod .. and add the user etc .. you'll find out quickly |
| 03:41.27 | Moonscope | how do you find out whether you are running woody or sarge? |
| 03:41.35 | abrotman | MoonMind: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 03:41.42 | Moonscope | hahah, everyone does that :) |
| 03:41.42 | abrotman | or cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 03:42.10 | gurubie | abrotman, That's the problem. |
| 03:42.13 | Moonscope | it says 3.0 |
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| 03:42.43 | Wyzard | Moonscope: That's woody |
| 03:42.44 | zinx | Moonscope: i believe that's woody.. |
| 03:42.49 | Moonscope | cool, thx :) |
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| 03:43.20 | abrotman | Wyzard: it does |
| 03:43.30 | shingouz | nite abrotman |
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| 03:43.33 | gurubie | I want to copy HD to HD tweaked automagic partition, fix it and then change the user name easily. Can it be done? |
| 03:43.35 | mozez | hello, is a gateway the same as a dns server? |
| 03:43.40 | Wyzard | mozez: no |
| 03:43.49 | Gnea | mozez: NO |
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| 03:43.55 | Gumby | can anyone tell me if it is possible to format a hard drive as ntfs in linux? |
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| 03:44.08 | Wyzard | Gumby: I strongly doubt it |
| 03:44.09 | Gumby | I know I can set the partition type to ntfs.. but can I actually format it? |
| 03:44.19 | Gnea | Gumby: NO |
| 03:44.25 | Subvertir | I think there is a program in the ntfstools pkg to do that? |
| 03:44.37 | Wyzard | Gumby: (You know, I assume, that the "partition type" flag has absolutely nothing to do with the actual contents of the partition) |
| 03:44.50 | mozez | wyzard, how can i figure out what my gateway is? |
| 03:45.07 | gurubie | Gumby, QTparted can do it but I'd use native tools to be safe. |
| 03:45.19 | Subvertir | Well wyzard, for linux it's just a hint to figure out what to try to mount it as first |
| 03:45.29 | Subvertir | for windows, if you ahve a ntfs partition listed as fat32 it won't work |
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| 03:45.40 | Wyzard | mozez: If your network connection is set up properly, run "/sbin/route -n" and look for the line that has 0.0.0.0 in the "destination" column |
| 03:45.48 | Wyzard | mozez: If you're trying to set up your network connection, ask your network provider |
| 03:45.53 | qbwdp | anyone know how to format a drive with mkreiserfs, i'm doing mkreiserfs /dev/sdb1 and it keeps spitting the -V page at me |
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| 03:46.11 | Wyzard | qbwdp: "mkreiserfs /dev/sdb1" should be correct |
| 03:46.33 | jaxxan | think i'd rather blow the rfp interview |
| 03:46.52 | qbwdp | Wyzard: i did that a while back with reiser3, this is reiser4, is there anything different? |
| 03:46.55 | jaxxan | be like... yeah no problem we can do anything you want... btw, what's ASP? |
| 03:46.55 | Wyzard | Subvertir: Windows uses it as a hint... Linux doesn't mount anything unless you ask it to |
| 03:47.28 | john | hmm |
| 03:47.29 | Wyzard | qbwdp: dunno, I don't use reiser4 (yet!), but wouldn't you need mkfs.reiser4 from the reiser4progs package, not mkreiserfs? |
| 03:47.37 | john | okay, i'm trying to help a friend with his x-server |
| 03:47.48 | Subvertir | Wyzard, no, I mean if you don't specify an FS type as an argument to the mount command, it'll try the type it's listed as first, then iterate through /etc/filesystems (or whatever file it is) |
| 03:47.48 | john | and i've never had to do "this" before. |
| 03:47.54 | john | enter video cards bus identifier |
| 03:47.55 | gurubie | Anyone else into cp your tweaked Linux partition HD to HD (SPEED), letting most devices discover and then changing the user account? Seem the fastest idea to me. WHy not? |
| 03:48.00 | john | and lspci shows |
| 03:48.23 | Wyzard | john: Unless you have multiple video cards, just leave that blank |
| 03:48.48 | john | oh. |
| 03:48.50 | gurubie | This in order to install on another system. (thus promote Debian) |
| 03:49.49 | Wyzard | john: It doesn't hurt to specify it, but if there's only one video card, the system can just detect it and there's no ambiguity |
| 03:50.07 | john | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.08 | john | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.08 | john | (Enter the items you want to select, separated by spaces.) |
| 03:50.11 | shingouz | !tell gurubie about cp hd to hd |
| 03:50.11 | john | what about that? |
| 03:50.18 | john | I've never had to configure x like this before. |
| 03:50.21 | john | so imma little new to this one. |
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| 03:50.51 | Wyzard | john: Are you running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" ? |
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| 03:51.05 | belracu | which is the best video card.... for linux ... |
| 03:51.24 | Wyzard | belracu: "best" depends very much on what capabilities you want and how much you're willing to spend |
| 03:51.26 | belracu | or how to select the best video card for linux .... |
| 03:51.26 | cg0def | hi, how do you edit the debian menu in gnome? |
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| 03:51.45 | belracu | Wyzard, yes my current systems sucks when i run GL apps? |
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| 03:51.46 | Wyzard | belracu: FWIW, nVidia cards are easier to set up than ATI |
| 03:51.55 | drp | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.03 | drp | I thought ls -lh would do it but ... |
| 03:52.03 | cg0def | I won't let me deleate entries in there and some applications have left shortcuts that point to nowhere |
| 03:52.04 | belracu | I need good suport for open GL |
| 03:52.06 | Wyzard | drp: man du |
| 03:52.11 | Subvertir | I buy Nvidia, because back in the TNT2 days they just romped ATI's offerings, in terms of performance and drivers - nowadays, I hear ATI has picked up the ball, so a decent card from either of them should do fine. |
| 03:52.18 | gurubie | shingouz, You mean multi parts? Prob I've seen is differing part sizes. |
| 03:52.32 | belracu | Wyzard, yes money is not a constrain ... but i need the best :D |
| 03:52.40 | shingouz | gurubie: Not with dd but just copy the files over |
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| 03:53.12 | Wyzard | john: Just go with the defaults... if you haven't seen the question before, it's because the question's priority is lower than what's normally shown, and the default is what would've been used if the question was skipped, so just use that |
| 03:53.13 | drp | Wyzard: thank you ... du -h : ) |
| 03:53.14 | jcarr | I did an apt-get install of libqt3-dev and libqt3-headers.... |
| 03:53.22 | jcarr | I still cannot compile the tutorials :( |
| 03:53.23 | Wyzard | belracu: I'd suggest an nVidia card |
| 03:53.27 | jcarr | am I missing something? |
| 03:53.31 | Wyzard | drp: I usually use "du -sch" |
| 03:53.39 | Subvertir | jcarr, what error do you get? |
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| 03:54.08 | belracu | Wyzard, thanks :) but there are many do u suggest me to the get the bleading edge new card or one thats already in market :P |
| 03:54.13 | gurubie | shingouz, Once mounted right, I telinit 1 and cp -ax / /newpart, check /dev and redo fstab and menu.lst as needed. |
| 03:54.25 | belracu | Wyzard, thanks ... i am heading to buy one nvedia :) |
| 03:54.32 | belracu | nvidia |
| 03:54.41 | gurubie | Highly recomend Nvidia |
| 03:54.46 | Subvertir | belracu, older cards offer great performance for the dollar. |
| 03:54.54 | Subvertir | I still use a ti4200 |
| 03:55.01 | Wyzard | belracu: Which one to get has nothing to do with Linux support... choose the one that works with your motherboard (AGP vs. PCI Express), is within your price range, and is fast enough for your needs |
| 03:55.01 | mozez | wyzard, nah i'm not trying to set up a network... but if i'm capturing packets via ethereal, how do i know from the results what my gateway is? |
| 03:55.31 | shingouz | gurubie: I haven't done it quite that way but essentiall you are there. Just remember to chroot onto the new drive and make the "new" system bootable |
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| 03:55.41 | gurubie | Geta geforce 5600 if you can swing about $80 USD |
| 03:56.16 | Wyzard | mozez: Well, any packets sent to computers not on your LAN will have the gateway's MAC address as the destination in their Ethernet header |
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| 03:56.56 | mozez | wyzard, how bout its ip? |
| 03:57.19 | Wyzard | mozez: Packets aren't normally sent to the gateway's IP |
| 03:57.26 | gurubie | shingouz, Oh right, ws sweating till cfdisk did that. |
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| 03:57.45 | Wyzard | mozez: so it won't show up in "typical" traffic |
| 03:58.08 | Zenethian | Hmm, I wonder what a PCI Express card slot looks like. |
| 03:58.08 | shingouz | gurubie: You *did* get the factoid from dpkg, dind't you? |
| 03:58.30 | gurubie | shingouz, nope |
| 03:58.41 | shingouz | !cp hd to hd |
| 03:58.42 | dpkg | cp -ax, read the man page aswell, or cd /from && find . | cpio -pdumv /to or "rsync -axHS /from/. /to/.", where "/from/." can be "root@other-machine:/from/.""/to/." can be "root@other-machine:/to/.", or cp -ax /from/. /to/. (also read the man page) Ask me about <onedisktoanother> |
| 03:58.50 | shingouz | gurubie: That one |
| 03:59.01 | Wyzard | mozez: Since your computer has most likely sent a packet to the Internet sometime in the past few minutes, the gateway will be in your ARP table, so you can run "/usr/sbin/arp -n" and look for the line containing the gateway's MAC address, to find its IP address |
| 03:59.02 | mozez | wyzard, last thing... if i have my gateway's mac how do i know what it's ip is? |
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| 03:59.13 | mozez | wyzard, i'm using winblows |
| 03:59.27 | gurubie | thanks |
| 03:59.31 | shingouz | np |
| 03:59.37 | Wyzard | mozez: I think there's a way to check the ARP table in Windows too... just try running "arp" from a command prompt |
| 03:59.46 | jcarr | hahaha |
| 03:59.51 | Wyzard | mozez: (Why are you asking in #debian if you're using Windows, though?) |
| 04:00.15 | mozez | wyzard, b/c i have debian on my other hard drive, this is just a temporary thing... i promise |
| 04:00.35 | mono_ | how do i check what devices are connected to my usb? |
| 04:00.42 | jcarr | The first anti-pattern listed in "Anti-Patterns": The Blob: a large object that encompasses all the functionality of the system. Identified by such statements as "this object is the heart of the system!" |
| 04:00.44 | shingouz | mono_: lsusb |
| 04:00.55 | jcarr | or "This object does all the real work" |
| 04:00.57 | Wyzard | mozez: If you're trying to find out what your gateway is so that you can configure it in Debian, just ask your ISP or network admin |
| 04:01.10 | Wyzard | mozez: or use DHCP if it's available |
| 04:01.24 | mono_ | shingouz, how do i mount Bus 004 Device 002: ID 059b:0178 Iomega Corp.? |
| 04:01.39 | Wyzard | jcarr: I've read (in Amazon reviews) that that book isn't all that great... what do you think of it? |
| 04:01.45 | shingouz | mono_: I do not know |
| 04:02.10 | mono_ | how do i mount the following device? Bus 004 Device 002: ID 059b:0178 Iomega Corp. |
| 04:02.19 | shingouz | mono_: What is it in anycase? zip drive? |
| 04:02.22 | mono_ | it is a usb external hd |
| 04:02.23 | jcarr | Wyzard, I think it's good just for pointing out those bad code smells |
| 04:02.26 | Wyzard | mono_: If it's a Zip drive, "modprobe usb-storage" and it'll appear as a SCSI disk which you can mount |
| 04:02.35 | jcarr | alot of them you read and you think "Damn! I've seen that before!" |
| 04:03.07 | Wyzard | jcarr: "bad code smells" are a term I associate with "Refactoring" by Martin Fowler... though I see how anti-patterns are relevant too |
| 04:03.08 | mozez | wyzard, no this is just a school proj... i have this ethereal saved log and i gotta analyze it... there's a bunch of transactions in there... but i gotta know from that how to find the gateway's ip... if that's even possible |
| 04:03.14 | mono_ | Wyzard, i ran it and got nothing |
| 04:03.17 | jcarr | The Blob cracked me up, because I had seen that in a recent project I was asked to work on. it was a huge php class, with only one comment at the top, "This class is the mothership" |
| 04:03.34 | zignig | jcarr: hahahah , that's funny |
| 04:04.03 | jcarr | The class did, erm, alot! It sent out emails, generated the email messages, made database connections, converted ip addresses, and generated the web page output |
| 04:04.12 | Wyzard | mono: You could look for ARP responses containing the gateway's MAC address, and see what IP they were in regard to |
| 04:04.14 | zignig | jcarr: like close encounters with evil php code. |
| 04:04.15 | Wyzard | oops |
| 04:04.21 | Moonscope | anyone here use ClamAV, i need help with upgrading. |
| 04:04.22 | Wyzard | mozez: ^^ |
| 04:04.45 | Wyzard | mozez: But if the gateway is using proxy ARP, that'll fail because it'll respond to IP addresses other than its own |
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| 04:05.00 | jcarr | Wyzard, I think Anti-Patterns is just a good compliment to any of Fowler's or GoF's books |
| 04:05.04 | mozez | hmmmz |
| 04:05.14 | jcarr | some are obvious, some are less obvious |
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| 04:06.02 | Wyzard | mozez: If the packet log contains any DHCP traffic, you could look at the "routers" option in the lease offers |
| 04:06.05 | mono_ | Wyzard, how do i check if the device is in my scsi devices now? |
| 04:06.56 | Wyzard | mono_: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 04:09.05 | Wyzard | mozez: Do you know that you can run Ethereal in Debian, btw? |
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| 04:09.49 | mono_ | Wyzard, ok, found the device, how should i mount it? |
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| 04:10.12 | mozez | wyzard, i tried to do apt-get install ethereal but the thing fails on me |
| 04:10.25 | Wyzard | mono_: If you don't have any other SCSI disks, it'll be /dev/sda, or possibly one of its partition devices |
| 04:10.34 | Wyzard | mozez: Fails how? |
| 04:10.47 | deadcat | whats the diff between 75 dpi and 100dpi? i notice 75 dpi fonts smaller when using NV driver. which is the same as 100 dpi using nvidia |
| 04:10.59 | shingouz | mono_ man mount should have all the information you need |
| 04:11.04 | mozez | wyzard, something about cannot connect to something then just stops... i might try it again later, that's what it did yesterday |
| 04:11.06 | Subvertir | dpi = dots per inch, yeah? |
| 04:11.23 | bob2 | yes |
| 04:11.24 | Wyzard | mozez: Sounds like maybe your apt mirror was down temporarily |
| 04:11.30 | bob2 | it should be unaffected by your driver choice |
| 04:11.38 | mozez | wyzard, yeah maybe... how do you update the mirrors btw? |
| 04:11.40 | bob2 | unless that changes the physical size or the res |
| 04:11.53 | Subvertir | I think the nvidia driver does some antialiasing stuff |
| 04:12.10 | Wyzard | deadcat: 100dpi bitmaps are larger in terms of pixel dimensions, because they're meant to be displayed on screens that have smaller pixels (100 of them per inch rather than 75), so that they occupy the correct amount of screen space |
| 04:12.26 | Wyzard | mozez: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to use a different mirror |
| 04:12.49 | mozez | alright thanks |
| 04:13.18 | Wyzard | Subvertir: Freetype does antialiasing... nVidia just puts the pixels on the screen |
| 04:13.37 | Wyzard | Subvertir: And you can't antialias bitmap fonts anyway |
| 04:13.55 | MobyTurbo | Subvertir: my screen looks the same if I use "nv" or "nvidia" |
| 04:14.35 | deadcat | bob2: my logicboard on the ibook is dead. (= |
| 04:14.44 | deadcat | bastard went out on me lastnight. |
| 04:14.45 | bob2 | eep |
| 04:14.56 | karsten | Wyzard: Got a result. |
| 04:15.01 | karsten | Wyzard: real53m54.016s |
| 04:15.04 | Wyzard | karsten: hehe, finally |
| 04:15.17 | karsten | Wyzard: ...mind, I didn't save it. |
| 04:15.17 | deadcat | i thought it was fbsplash that costed the problem at first heheh |
| 04:15.24 | Wyzard | karsten: I stopped it running when I decided to run it on my Gentoo box instead, so it's not sucking up all my desktop's CPU time |
| 04:15.27 | cafuego | deadcat: which size? |
| 04:15.28 | shingouz | karsten: How many bogomips you run there? |
| 04:15.30 | karsten | Wyzard: But yeah, bc can calculate stuff pretty quickly. |
| 04:15.34 | deadcat | cafuego: 12" |
| 04:15.39 | cafuego | deadcat: eep. |
| 04:15.50 | karsten | shingouz: bogomips: 3358.72 |
| 04:15.56 | karsten | shingouz: 1.7 GHz P4. |
| 04:15.59 | deadcat | ya. going to the apple guys store tomorrow and take a look. i THINK i am still qualify for the replacement. |
| 04:16.11 | Wyzard | karsten: A lot faster than Haskell, for sure... though it also helps that your processor is twice as fast as mine, and you probably have DDR too |
| 04:16.15 | cafuego | deadcat: You mean you didn't buy applecare? |
| 04:16.17 | deadcat | cafuego: was cursing it all morning |
| 04:16.28 | deadcat | cafuego: no. this is second hand. |
| 04:16.37 | shingouz | karsten: Heh.. that means I would have to let my computer do the maths for about ten times as long |
| 04:16.38 | cafuego | ah ok |
| 04:16.49 | karsten | shingouz: Heh. |
| 04:16.54 | deadcat | cafuego: its a known logicboard problem which my ibook is in the range of the list. |
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| 04:17.05 | Wyzard | karsten: 740 bogomips here... 800MHz Thunderbird |
| 04:17.11 | karsten | shingouz: bogomips: 357.99 |
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| 04:17.16 | cafuego | deadcat: *nod* friend of mine had the same issue, she's got a new one now. |
| 04:17.18 | karsten | shingouz: ...that's a PPro 180. |
| 04:17.26 | cafuego | deadcat: Incidentally, the mac mini lives! |
| 04:17.30 | deadcat | Wyzard: so 100 or 75 dpi doesnt really matter. as long as i think the size is ok right? |
| 04:17.32 | shingouz | karsten: That is a huge-ass computer :) |
| 04:17.43 | karsten | Wyzard: What's a Thunderbird? Shouldn't you have a 1.5 - 2x multiplier? |
| 04:17.48 | karsten | shingouz: ?? |
| 04:17.52 | deadcat | cafuego: ? did you opened it up? |
| 04:18.04 | zinx | karsten: apcalc is faster, at least for 5**91211 |
| 04:18.10 | Wyzard | deadcat: Ideally, you should set your DPI correctly, so that units of measure onscreen ("1 inch", "1 cm", etc.) will actually be correct |
| 04:18.16 | Wyzard | deadcat: But aside from that, it doesn't matter |
| 04:18.30 | shingouz | bogomips : 257.02 bogomips : 265.21 |
| 04:18.30 | shingouz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.30 | Wyzard | karsten: It's the Athlon revision that came before the Athlon XP |
| 04:18.36 | Wyzard | karsten: 133MHz FSB |
| 04:18.47 | karsten | Wyzard: grep bogomips /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:19.03 | karsten | Wyzard: AFAIC you've got a 2x clockspeed basic multiplier. |
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| 04:19.16 | Wyzard | karsten: ah... 1597.44 there... why does the "bogomips" command say 740, then? |
| 04:19.42 | deadcat | Wyzard: well. i am using NV right now and 75dpi looks the same as nvidia with 100dpi, so i guess i will just leave it. thanks though. |
| 04:19.48 | daxal | is there a release of memtest86 that will save the results to disk or run over a serial line? |
| 04:19.59 | Wyzard | deadcat: Where are you setting 75/100dpi, anyway? |
| 04:20.01 | Moonscope | Anyone here know about ClamAV, i need to upgrade and the upgrade howto is CRAP! |
| 04:20.03 | karsten | Wyzard: NFC. |
| 04:20.08 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:20.30 | bob2 | daxal: it can't write to disk, it has no ide driver |
| 04:20.38 | deadcat | karsten: damn. i am down to tv channels with tvtime. few more with effectv that software is a pain. )= |
| 04:20.42 | bob2 | daxal: it could write to a serial port, but afaik it doesn't |
| 04:20.51 | bob2 | Moonscope: you're being way too vague |
| 04:20.54 | karsten | Moonscope: Upgrade what? 'aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade'. |
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| 04:21.30 | Wyzard | deadcat: You're probably using scalable fonts, which are rendered at the display's current DPI rather than pre-drawn at a fixed DPI, which would explain why you don't see a difference |
| 04:21.31 | deadcat | Wyzard: startx -- -dpi 75, nvidia starts with gdm which i think uses 100. since nvidia is so fucking crashy with dual monitor and my laptop is dead for now, so i just use single mon with NV |
| 04:21.33 | karsten | Moonscope: If you need updated virus defs, install freshclam and make sure it's running via cron. |
| 04:21.35 | mozez | wyzard, last thing... a thought a minimum ethernet frame is 64 bytes, but in this ethereal log i see that some packets have "54 bytes on wire, 54 bytes captured" ... have any idea why? |
| 04:21.36 | Moonscope | bob2: karsten: well, i currently have a clamav installation that i need to upgrade from version 0.80 to 0.84 for it to work again, and the howto http://wiki.clamav.net/index.php/UpgradeInstructions sucks |
| 04:21.37 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:21.57 | bob2 | Moonscope: so ignore them |
| 04:22.05 | karsten | Moonscope: Installed via apt-get / aptitude? |
| 04:22.17 | Wyzard | deadcat: I use the "DisplaySize" option in my XF86Config to ensure that my DPI is set correctly... it's actually 126x126 on my system |
| 04:22.23 | jbmigel | does clamav serve any real purpose if im not running a mail server? |
| 04:22.27 | karsten | Moonscope: In Debian, you update with apt-get or aptitude. |
| 04:22.28 | Moonscope | karsten: i believe it was installed by the binary files |
| 04:22.30 | Moonscope | not apt :( |
| 04:22.32 | karsten | !tell Moonscope about aptitude. |
| 04:22.35 | karsten | Moonscope: Remove it. |
| 04:22.38 | Moonscope | apt would make it easy to upgrade |
| 04:22.41 | Moonscope | hahahahahahahaahah. |
| 04:22.41 | karsten | Moonscope: Why did that happen? |
| 04:22.44 | bob2 | jbmigel: no |
| 04:22.52 | Moonscope | it was my predecessor |
| 04:23.00 | deadcat | Wyzard: you think thats why X is crashing using nvidia? |
| 04:23.02 | karsten | Moonscope: ...or let me guess: you're running qmail too, right? |
| 04:23.21 | jbmigel | bob2 do you know of any virus software for linux virii? |
| 04:23.21 | karsten | Moonscope: If he's your predecessor, he's gone now ;-) |
| 04:23.23 | Moonscope | karsten: yeah :) was done from the BIG howto in the qmailrocks site |
| 04:23.38 | karsten | Moonscope: You poor sorry fool. |
| 04:23.41 | Moonscope | karsten: he sure is, so i need to know how to make an apt installation work on mail. |
| 04:23.57 | Wyzard | deadcat: A wrong DPI setting wouldn't crash X |
| 04:24.03 | bob2 | jbmigel: clamav, but why bother? you can only get infected through enormous stupidity. |
| 04:24.05 | karsten | Moonscope: Shouldn't matter, so long as qmail can find the executable. |
| 04:24.11 | Moonscope | really? |
| 04:24.12 | bob2 | jbmigel: if you don't run crap from untrusted sources, you'll be fine |
| 04:24.34 | deadcat | Wyzard: ok. then i still wouldnt know why X crash when using some apps under nvidia... |
| 04:24.38 | karsten | jbmigel: There are effectively no Linux viruses (it's _not_ virii BTW) to worry about. |
| 04:24.40 | Moonscope | karsten: lets say i apt-get install clamav would that screw the one that is there currently? or should i remove it first then do the apt installation? |
| 04:24.43 | Wyzard | deadcat: X server hanging with 100% CPU usage? |
| 04:25.06 | deadcat | Wyzard: ya. and keyboard is dead. i have to ssh in and kill |
| 04:25.12 | karsten | Moonscope: Given that you've got both qmail and an installed-from-binary clamav on that box, no fscking clue. |
| 04:25.20 | Moonscope | heheeh, |
| 04:25.21 | jbmigel | bob2 well i have marillat source installed so that guy could really put anything he wanted in the debs there right? |
| 04:25.21 | Wyzard | deadcat: Turn off RenderAccel in XF86Config... that's a known bug in the current nvidia driver |
| 04:25.25 | karsten | Moonscope: However, in general, if stuff is installed to /usr/local or /opt, you're clean. |
| 04:25.27 | Moonscope | i guess all i could do is break someting |
| 04:25.31 | Moonscope | thanks for your help |
| 04:25.31 | bob2 | jbmigel: sure, as could any Debian Developer |
| 04:25.35 | bob2 | jbmigel: but it's very very unlikely |
| 04:25.36 | karsten | Moonscope: ...and your main concern is how that path's set. |
| 04:25.36 | deadcat | Wyzard: i am pretty sure is some rendering stuff. because some sites and using xine, mplayer is fine |
| 04:25.45 | bob2 | jbmigel: and they wouldn't use a virus, so a virus detector still won't help ;) |
| 04:25.59 | cafuego | Anyone want to test cafuego_roothole.ko for me? |
| 04:26.01 | deadcat | Wyzard: its commented. should i false it? |
| 04:26.02 | karsten | Moonscope: ...so if /usr/local/bin/clamav turns up before /usr/bin/clamav, you'll get the binary rather than apt version. |
| 04:26.10 | jbmigel | karsten what makes you think linux is immune to virii (plural for virus) thats plain naive! |
| 04:26.13 | karsten | Moonscope: How many users you got? |
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| 04:26.24 | Wyzard | deadcat: hmm, I thought it was off by default, but it's worth a try |
| 04:26.31 | deadcat | Wyzard: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:26.35 | karsten | jbmigel: What makes you think it isn't? |
| 04:26.35 | Moonscope | karsten: its all used for handling mail onto another mail server |
| 04:26.43 | Moonscope | just scanning for spam and viri |
| 04:26.45 | karsten | Moonscope: How many users? |
| 04:26.50 | Moonscope | slummer: 100 |
| 04:26.52 | Moonscope | damn |
| 04:26.54 | Moonscope | 100 |
| 04:27.04 | karsten | Heh. |
| 04:27.11 | Moonscope | i typed umm |
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| 04:27.20 | Moonscope | and it made it slummer. LOLERSKATES |
| 04:27.31 | jbmigel | bob2 i guess your right, does debian support SE Linux yet? |
| 04:27.46 | karsten | My recommendation would be you propose a project for getting off qmail. Anyhow, yeah, nuke existing clamav, aptitude install. Install freshclam. Default runs hourly. You're golden. |
| 04:27.58 | Wyzard | jbmigel: That's one of the goals for after Sarge is released |
| 04:28.01 | bob2 | jbmigel: somewhate, Manoj is working on that right now |
| 04:28.06 | bob2 | jbmigel: it's a huge amount of work tho |
| 04:28.20 | zignig | bob2: bleh! |
| 04:28.22 | karsten | jbmigel: apt-cache search selinux |
| 04:28.35 | Moonscope | karsten: how is aptitude different from apt? |
| 04:28.40 | bob2 | zignig: blehlo |
| 04:28.43 | karsten | !tell Moonscope about aptitude |
| 04:28.51 | karsten | Moonscope: Read the mailing list post. |
| 04:29.11 | deadcat | Wyzard: where do i put the DisplaySize? |
| 04:29.17 | karsten | Moonscope: Effectively: aptitude == apt-get as a CLI drop-in replacement. Includes logging, sane handling of depends. Can also be used interactively. |
| 04:29.27 | Wyzard | deadcat: In the Monitor section |
| 04:29.45 | karsten | Moonscope: Only caution would be that 'apt-get update' is cleaner in cronjobs (for output) than 'aptitude update'. |
| 04:29.45 | Wyzard | deadcat: Its two arguments are integers which are the width and height of the monitor glass in millimeters |
| 04:30.09 | Wyzard | deadcat: X divides the pixel dimensions you're using by the physical dimensions to get DPI |
| 04:30.18 | deadcat | Wyzard: i have a Dell 17" lcd and a NEC 17" lcd. |
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| 04:30.30 | Wyzard | deadcat: Dunno how it woks with two monitors though |
| 04:30.47 | imatsu | how know apt-spy? |
| 04:30.48 | deadcat | Wyzard: lets leave that then. crashing is my top priority (= |
| 04:30.49 | karsten | Wyzard: With MSG and sesame oil. |
| 04:30.52 | Wyzard | I think there's only one DPI for the X server as a whole, not different settings for each screen |
| 04:30.54 | imatsu | I need update my computer |
| 04:31.18 | imatsu | bat the red is slow |
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| 04:31.28 | samuel | hello all |
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| 04:31.35 | imatsu | hello samuel |
| 04:32.01 | samuel | anyone here know how to install win2k on qemu? there is a disk full error but i never really know when that is.... |
| 04:32.03 | karsten | jbmigel: WRT linux & viruses: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=virus |
| 04:32.16 | samuel | hello imatsu |
| 04:32.45 | imatsu | you know apt-spy? |
| 04:33.11 | karsten | imatsu: What language are you speaking? |
| 04:33.23 | imatsu | spanish |
| 04:33.30 | imatsu | I from Venezuela |
| 04:33.44 | karsten | !es |
| 04:33.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:34.27 | Wyzard | imatsu: The man page for apt-spy should tell you how to use it |
| 04:34.56 | Wyzard | imatsu: You can also visit http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and pick a mirror from there, if you don't want to use apt-spy |
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| 04:35.05 | karsten | imatsu: apt-proxy might also be useful. |
| 04:35.07 | imatsu | thankyou |
| 04:36.35 | Wyzard | imatsu: Try using ftp.br.debian.org as your source... Brazil is probably the closest mirror to you |
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| 04:37.21 | daxal | uhg. I can't find any docs on memtest86 for use of a serial console, but there are feature reports saying my release supports it. |
| 04:37.48 | karsten | daxal: Hrm. You could run it under VMWare and test your virtual memory ;-) |
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| 04:38.06 | deadcat | Wyzard: that didnt do me no good. (=. |
| 04:38.23 | punsad | When installing Sarge from CDs, does the debian-installer automatically kick in? or do I need some special CDs for this? |
| 04:38.33 | deadcat | if i have /proc/acpi/ is that mean i have acpi running? |
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| 04:38.47 | karsten | punsad: Yes, the installer automatically kicks in. |
| 04:39.16 | karsten | daxal: No way you can drag a monitor to the box in question, or test the RAM in another system? |
| 04:39.31 | punsad | karsten: thanks... any chance of it automatically detecting and installing my cisco aironet 340 wireless pcmcia card when installing on a thinkpad 570E? |
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| 04:40.04 | karsten | punsad: Not sure. Do you need that card for the install? |
| 04:40.14 | punsad | I've got a thinkpad 570E and aironet 340 wireless card coming in the mail and trying to decide how to go about getting debian on it... |
| 04:40.15 | karsten | punsad: ...itself, or do you just want it to work at some time down the road? |
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| 04:40.30 | punsad | karsten: no .. I think I'll install from CD first |
| 04:40.41 | karsten | punsad: Is there another NIC? |
| 04:40.46 | karsten | punsad: ...being more to the point. |
| 04:40.53 | karsten | punsad: IME a netinst is your best bet. |
| 04:40.59 | punsad | karsten: yeah.. I'm pretty sure there is... |
| 04:41.12 | Caramel | hi all. I have a binary of a C program and would like to somehow get the source of it b4 running it, is there a way to do so ? |
| 04:41.16 | Wyzard | punsad: A Google search for "cisco aironet 340 linux" turns up several relevant-looking results, including http://modzer0.cs.uaf.edu/~wanderlust/wireless.htm |
| 04:41.21 | Wyzard | Caramel: no |
| 04:41.31 | daxal | karsten: better yet, I found my answer in the README in the source archive. Looks like I need to compile it after tweaking a few defines. :) schweet. and the compiled result looks like I can dump it to a floppy. I guess I'll install that next. :P |
| 04:41.39 | karsten | Caramel: Yes, download it from the source site. |
| 04:41.50 | punsad | karsten: I've always done netinst myself, but I have always installed woody on vanilla boxes for small servers... |
| 04:42.02 | karsten | punsad: Dig. |
| 04:42.11 | Caramel | karsten: what do you mean ? |
| 04:42.18 | Wyzard | Caramel: In some special cases it's possible to decompile binaries into something vaguely resembling the original source code, but it's not very useful, and if the code was compiled with optimization, it's unlikely to even work at all |
| 04:42.26 | karsten | Caramel: I mean what I say and I say what I mean. You/ |
| 04:42.28 | punsad | Wyzard: I've check out the sites already and bookmarked 'em... the one you mention is particularly good... |
| 04:42.29 | Wyzard | Caramel: I don't know of any such tools in Debian, though, because they're so rarely useful |
| 04:42.33 | karsten | Caramel: s,/,?, |
| 04:42.46 | punsad | I'm just wanting to do as much background homework as possible.. |
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| 04:43.17 | zorton | i'm looking for a way to publish my IP address through ip-up.d. Does runparts pass the ip to ip-up.d scripts? |
| 04:43.42 | Wyzard | zorton: If you're trying to use a service like DynDNS, No-IP, etc., take a look at the "ez-ipupdate" package |
| 04:44.21 | zorton | Wyzard: on other systems i've used ssh to cat the file to a log file |
| 04:44.50 | daxal | zorton: last time I poked at that, I dumped $* and "set" to a tmp file. |
| 04:45.20 | zorton | might work, or I could dump ifconfig's output to a tmp file and send that up |
| 04:45.20 | Wyzard | zorton: I'm pretty sure the IP address does get passed to ip-up.d scripts, but if you're using a service which is supported by ez-ipupdate (or one of the other, similar update clients available in Debian), it's much better to use that |
| 04:45.25 | mono_ | how do i know which filesystem to use when trying to mount my external hd? |
| 04:45.49 | Wyzard | Caramel: You could try the "uncc" package, but don't get your hopes up |
| 04:45.50 | zorton | Wyzard: i'll take a look at it and see what I find |
| 04:46.26 | mono_ | i have an iomega connected via a usb as a Transparent SCSI |
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| 04:46.31 | Wyzard | zorton: If you install ez-ipupdate, look in /usr/share/doc/ez-ipupdate/examples for a starting point |
| 04:46.54 | jla | mono_ Most removable media is fat. You tried to mount it and it said you must provide the fs type? |
| 04:46.56 | Wyzard | mono_: Iomega is a brand, not a product... you mean that you have a Zip drive, probably |
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| 04:47.16 | zorton | Wyzard, that's the plan :) |
| 04:47.28 | Wyzard | mono_: IIRC, factory-formatted Zip disks have their filesystem on partition 4 for some reason, so you'd need to mount /dev/sda4 |
| 04:48.06 | mono_ | Wyzard, thanks but as what fs type? |
| 04:48.14 | Wyzard | zorton: (I mention that because the manpage isn't very helpful so the examples are the only real source of information on the config syntax) |
| 04:48.40 | Wyzard | mono_: vfat, unless it's Mac-formatted |
| 04:48.40 | mono_ | Wyzard, mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/mirror/ |
| 04:48.40 | mono_ | mount: /dev/sda4 is not a valid block device |
| 04:49.02 | Wyzard | mono_: Run cfdisk on /dev/sda to see what partitions it has |
| 04:49.14 | zorton | Wyzard: yeah I saw that, I think i'll just dump ifconfig to the server |
| 04:49.16 | mono_ | Wyzard, mount -t vfat /dev/sda4 /mnt/mirror/ mount: /dev/sda4 is not a valid block device |
| 04:49.24 | deadcat | does the ipod shuffle work on linux? |
| 04:49.47 | mono_ | Wyzard, fat32 sda1 :) |
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| 04:50.15 | Wyzard | mono_: ah... well, apparently they realized that using partition 4 was a stupid practice, and stopped doing it :-) |
| 04:50.48 | mono_ | Wyzard, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/mirror/ mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, or too many mounted file systems |
| 04:51.00 | Wyzard | mono_: -t vfat |
| 04:51.06 | mono_ | Wyzard, i tried that option |
| 04:51.17 | jla | mono_ try cfdisk like wyzard suggested, or try fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 04:51.50 | Wyzard | mono_: "file -s /dev/sda1"... see what that says |
| 04:51.52 | mono_ | jla, it says taht it is on sdaq |
| 04:51.54 | mono_ | jla, it says taht it is on sda1 |
| 04:51.56 | mono_ | :) |
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| 04:52.19 | samuel | anyone know plz the name of the command to check disks? ive forgotten it |
| 04:52.21 | mono_ | Wyzard, dev/sda1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x5a, OEM-ID "*'1(`IHC", sectors/cluster 64, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 63, sectors241248042 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 29446, reserved3 0x1800000, reserved 0x1, serial number 0xa5d1fde, unlabeled |
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| 04:53.19 | mono_ | Wyzard, in my /etc/fstab i already have /dev/sda1 mounted automatically on boot.. will that matter.. ? i pluged in this external hd after i booted |
| 04:53.21 | Wyzard | mono_: That is indeed formatted FAT... either it's corrupted (try running dosfsck on it perhaps) or your kernel doesn't support vfat for some reason |
| 04:53.21 | jla | samuel like repair - fsck, or usage? df ? |
| 04:53.37 | samuel | jla, fsck thanks! |
| 04:53.46 | Wyzard | mono_: No, that shouldn't matter, though it'd probably produce a warning message at boot time if the device isn't available |
| 04:53.48 | mono_ | Wyzard, my kernel supports vfat. |
| 04:53.54 | jla | mono_ what does dmesg say after you plug it in? look at what device is being used. |
| 04:54.19 | Wyzard | jla: /dev/sda1 definitely exists and contains a vfat filesystem... the question is why it fails to mount |
| 04:54.52 | jla | wyzard sorry I mis-understood his statemnt about automounting. I though perhaps he had another scsi device already mounted |
| 04:57.14 | mono_ | jla, it says - -/dev/scsi/hosts/..then attached scsi dev sda at scsi3 |
| 04:57.14 | Moonscope | karsten: so with ClamAV does it automatically scan the mail that would come in or do i have to set it up to do so? |
| 04:57.25 | karsten | Moonscope: You'd set it up to do so. |
| 04:57.41 | Moonscope | karsten: gee the howto's for clamav suck |
| 04:57.48 | karsten | Moonscope: Presumably, this is already done. You're just changing the install of clamav it's using. Binary should be 'clamscan'. |
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| 04:58.16 | Moonscope | if apt-get installed it, how do i remove the one that was previously installed? |
| 04:58.17 | mono_ | i get the following error - mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/mirror mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, or too many mounted file systems |
| 04:58.29 | karsten | Moonscope: My experience w/ qmail and virus scanning is that it's a clusterfsck to get working properly, and SMTP-time ajudication's damned near impossible. |
| 04:58.46 | Moonscope | ahh, |
| 04:59.21 | cafuego | hmm, czickin |
| 04:59.31 | Wyzard | mono_: It's not a "wrong fs type" because you know it's vfat; it's not a "bad option" because you haven't specified any options; it's probably not "too many mounted filesystems" (though it wouldn't hurt to check), so what's left is "bad superblock", which means the kernel doesn't understand the data contained in the partition |
| 04:59.45 | Wyzard | mono_: That would happen if either the disk was corrupted, or the kernel lacks a vfat driver |
| 05:00.12 | jla | mono_ do you know the volume is good? do you have the vfat kernel module or built in? |
| 05:00.12 | Wyzard | mono_: Install the "dosfstools" package if you don't have it already, and run "dosfsck -v" on sda1 |
| 05:01.20 | jcarr | wingdings |
| 05:01.58 | mono_ | Wyzard, i got the following error - FSINFO sector has bad magic number(s): Offset 0: 0x00000000 != expected 0x41615252 Offset 484: 0x00000000 != expected 0x61417272 Offset 510: 0x0000 != expected 0xaa55 1) Correct2) Don't correct (FSINFO invalid then)? 1 |
| 05:02.19 | mono_ | Wyzard, then i try to correct it and i get : Both FATs appear to be corrupt. Giving up. |
| 05:02.30 | mono_ | Wyzard, :/ |
| 05:02.31 | Wyzard | mono_: Well, there you go... corrupted disk |
| 05:02.35 | jla | mono_ anything on the disk you cared for? |
| 05:02.53 | mono_ | jla, i don't even remember what i put on it.. |
| 05:03.15 | mono_ | Wyzard, jla, i guess.. format? |
| 05:03.26 | jla | mono_ I have had too many zip disks die to use them anymore. to have both fat and backup dead you may have bad media, but sure try format. |
| 05:03.29 | Wyzard | mono_: You could run badblocks on it to see if it's physically defective or just bad data |
| 05:03.57 | Wyzard | mono_: Or better yet, I think Iomega's tools (which require Windows) have some diagnostic stuff |
| 05:04.17 | mono_ | Wyzard, hmm.. windows.. don't really have that.. |
| 05:04.49 | Wyzard | mono_: If you don't mind wiping the data on the disk (since it's probably gone anyway), I'd suggest running badblocks in destructive write mode... it's faster than nondestructive write mode, and write-mode tests are more thorough than read-only tests |
| 05:04.57 | mono_ | Wyzard, i am trying to run badblocks on the /dev/sda1 |
| 05:05.06 | Wyzard | mono_: badblocks -w -v -s -c 65536 /dev/sda |
| 05:05.30 | mono_ | Wyzard, thx |
| 05:05.40 | Wyzard | mono_: (Replace '-w' with '-n' if you want to use the nondestructive test, which preserves the contents of the disk) |
| 05:06.13 | mono_ | Wyzard, too late. i am already running it |
| 05:06.22 | mono_ | Wyzard, thanks for the info tho. |
| 05:07.01 | mono_ | Wyzard, so i won't have anything once i'm done running badblocks -w -v -s -c 65536 /dev/sda? |
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| 05:07.20 | Wyzard | Personally, I wouldn't bother with the nondestructive test -- it's unlikely that you could recover any of the data anyway, so there's no point making badblocks go to extra lengths to preserve it |
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| 05:10.38 | NOthsouth | heelo, guys, when I install debian, I can choose lots of packges (desktop, web, SQL ...) how can I see that again after installation? |
| 05:10.48 | Wyzard | tasksel |
| 05:11.15 | Wyzard | Those aren't packages though -- they're "tasks", collections of related packages |
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| 05:12.47 | Caramel | are wireless cards with "a" network better than "bg" ? |
| 05:12.57 | NOthsouth | humm |
| 05:12.58 | NOthsouth | thx |
| 05:13.13 | Wyzard | karsten: Still around? |
| 05:13.20 | karsten | Wyzard: Aye. |
| 05:13.26 | karsten | Wyzard: ...and getting rounder. |
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| 05:13.55 | Wyzard | karsten: I just got a result on my Gentoo box (950MHz Thunderbird, ~1800 BogoMips) in 36 minutes |
| 05:14.09 | Wyzard | karsten: You said it took you nearly an hour? |
| 05:14.16 | karsten | Wyzard: Cool. I'm running contended here, ~50% CPU. |
| 05:14.47 | karsten | Wyzard: Beats days, eh? |
| 05:15.06 | Wyzard | karsten: Oh... I thought you meant the time actually taken by the process, as reported by the "time" command |
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| 05:16.20 | Wyzard | hehe... and my laptop (700MHz P3, not *that* much slower than the Gentoo box) is still going at it with the Haskell program, after nearly 20 hours |
| 05:16.26 | karsten | Wyzard: Probably. I've nuked the display. |
| 05:16.37 | jbmigel | karsten, thank you for the very enlightening article on *nix viruses! although i am not completly convinced in regard to user level spyware/malware attacks (I found the authors review of the "JBells" variant interesting). I do however see that it is much more difficult to get the core system harmed. Thanks again ill sleep a little sounder tonight! |
| 05:16.38 | karsten | Wyzard: IIRC I posted "real", not "user". |
| 05:16.48 | Wyzard | ok |
| 05:16.52 | karsten | jbmigel: NP ;-) |
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| 05:16.57 | Wyzard | "user" was probably a lot less, then |
| 05:17.27 | karsten | jbmigel: IMO: they're _possible_. They're not highly likely, they're likely limited, and there are more compelling threat models for those who want on to 'Nix systes. |
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| 05:20.57 | kang1 | where am i |
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| 05:21.29 | Wyzard | kang1: You are in #debian |
| 05:21.32 | bob2 | lord |
| 05:22.04 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yes, my son? |
| 05:22.13 | kang1 | ok, that's where i want to go. |
| 05:22.20 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: hahahah. |
| 05:22.21 | dondelelcaro | then you're already there. |
| 05:22.35 | karsten | OT: anyone know how to boot tomsrtbt in user-mode linux? |
| 05:22.53 | karsten | kang1: Remember, wherever you go, there you are. |
| 05:23.07 | kang1 | autologin, that's my problem. |
| 05:23.19 | karsten | Damn, and we missed Floxxx... |
| 05:23.33 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Behave, kid! |
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| 05:23.51 | dondelelcaro | kang1: autologin is such a cosmically bad idea that it's a good thing that it's not working. |
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| 05:23.57 | kang1 | so, what is hot here? |
| 05:23.59 | karsten | linux -udb0=/home/karsten/Download/TomsRootBoot/tomsrtbt-2.0.103/tomsrtbt.raw root=/dev/ram0 |
| 05:24.07 | karsten | kang1: CPUs and SCSI drives. |
| 05:24.12 | karsten | !topicsmite kang1 |
| 05:24.13 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon kang1. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 05:24.18 | Phated | Someone say hot? |
| 05:24.27 | karsten | Phated: You're not hot, you're evil. |
| 05:24.32 | Phated | And hot. |
| 05:24.41 | deadcat | emfuego |
| 05:24.47 | karsten | Nice donkey. |
| 05:24.47 | Phated | Or at least, my locale is. |
| 05:24.51 | deadcat | karsten: naughty boy. |
| 05:24.56 | kang1 | my CPU gets hot when I play vcd. |
| 05:25.02 | nagual | hey, what about my ass? |
| 05:25.10 | karsten | There was a young lass from Madrass |
| 05:25.16 | deadcat | Phated: in the nuts right? (= |
| 05:25.25 | Phated | deadcat: No, still can't find them. |
| 05:25.28 | karsten | Who had a remarkable ass |
| 05:25.38 | nagual | my ass isnt hairy and smelly enough for you? :/ |
| 05:25.38 | deadcat | Phated: HAHAHA |
| 05:25.38 | karsten | Not rounded and pink |
| 05:25.39 | karsten | As you probably think |
| 05:25.57 | karsten | It was grey, had long ears, and ate grass. |
| 05:26.06 | kang1 | why ass and not donkey? |
| 05:26.23 | Phated | Limericks are wasted on IRC. |
| 05:26.49 | karsten | dondelelcaro: True sign of an Empire & Foundation fan. |
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| 05:26.59 | nagual | hehe, in sweden where im from there are some ancient laws that men arent allowed to be alone with donkeys/horses/cows cause obviously lot of men had sex with them. go figure. |
| 05:27.07 | karsten | dondelelcaro: CtG prefered horses. |
| 05:27.17 | karsten | nagual: How could they tell? |
| 05:27.19 | karsten | nagual: Bastard offspring? |
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| 05:27.30 | kang1 | sexxxy swedish! |
| 05:27.36 | nagual | karsten: yea, and thats the ones that immigrated in the us :) |
| 05:27.59 | karsten | nagual: Puts my mental model of Swedish women in a whole different light. |
| 05:28.04 | furrywolf | no, our president is a monkey... ok, he's an ass too. |
| 05:28.05 | kang1 | they can do it to the bison, then. |
| 05:28.06 | nagual | karsten: i bet |
| 05:28.12 | karsten | Anyhow. |
| 05:28.34 | karsten | I try booting UML like that and get "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00" |
| 05:28.49 | karsten | Standard Tom's Root Boot image. |
| 05:28.58 | kang1 | got to go, bye. |
| 05:29.00 | Phated | Once again, the conversation has been steered faaar off topic with but a statement from me. My record stands. |
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| 05:29.52 | bob2 | Phated: you do have a special talent |
| 05:29.59 | Phated | I do. I'm so sorry. |
| 05:30.05 | karsten | bob2: Quite. She attracts people like me. |
| 05:30.05 | Phated | bob2: And how are you? |
| 05:30.19 | bob2 | karsten: but you're crazy to begin with! |
| 05:30.45 | karsten | bob2: It may just be a lunatic she's looking for. |
| 05:30.48 | _keroppi_ | I did an apt-get upgrade some time after May 2nd, and now startx hangs my box (ssh and ping don't work immediately after startx, /var/log/XFree86.0.log doesn't get updated...) Any ideas how to troubleshoot? I have a Radeon 9800 AIW. |
| 05:30.54 | bob2 | Phated: I'm hungry. How's ye olde humidifie^wsingapore? |
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| 05:31.10 | bob2 | _keroppi_: are you using binary-only drivers? |
| 05:31.11 | Phated | bob2: Humid. I am hungry also. |
| 05:31.19 | _keroppi_ | bob2: Yeah |
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| 05:31.31 | bob2 | Phated: my plan is to lunch on fried something or other. |
| 05:31.37 | _keroppi_ | bob2: But the drivers have remained the same since it stopped working |
| 05:31.40 | bob2 | Phated: wait...shouldn't you be at school? |
| 05:31.51 | Phated | bob2: Not till monday after next after next. :) |
| 05:31.58 | bob2 | Phated: ahhh |
| 05:32.03 | karsten | bob2: Your brain? |
| 05:32.10 | bob2 | karsten: too fatty |
| 05:32.15 | bob2 | tempura sounds like a plan |
| 05:32.17 | Phated | bob2: Been on holiday for almost six months now. :) |
| 05:32.21 | Phated | Tempura! Hear hear. |
| 05:32.38 | bob2 | Phated: hah, half your luck |
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| 05:32.44 | Phated | bob2: Aye. |
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| 05:32.55 | bob2 | Phated: break-betwene-stages-of-school dealie? |
| 05:32.59 | deadcat | Phated: i should hire you to write jokes. (= |
| 05:33.21 | karsten | deadcat: If I was hiring her, it wouldn't be for jokes. |
| 05:33.39 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 05:33.46 | deadcat | hmmm. (= |
| 05:34.00 | karsten | Is there a way to tell the kernel to treat a specific device or file as a given device? |
| 05:34.09 | karsten | eg: foo == /dev/fd0. |
| 05:34.12 | toresbe | sure |
| 05:34.16 | jm_ | karsten: just mknod it |
| 05:34.17 | Phated | bob2: Finished school-ending exams in November, tertiary education doesn't start till End-May. The break was not entirely my choice. Some others who chose alternatives in tertiary education have been going since Jan. :) |
| 05:34.18 | toresbe | mknod foo b major minor |
| 05:34.20 | jm_ | filename doesn't matter |
| 05:34.22 | karsten | jm_: UML. |
| 05:34.26 | Phated | deadcat: I wish you would, I'd be making money. |
| 05:34.27 | bob2 | Phated: bwaha |
| 05:34.30 | Phated | karsten: *whap* |
| 05:34.34 | Phated | bob2: Aye. |
| 05:34.46 | bob2 | Phated: make sure you guy by their school each afternoon and tell them all the fun stuff you've been up to each day |
| 05:34.47 | karsten | deadcat: Clearly, what I'd hire her for is physical damage. |
| 05:34.47 | deadcat | Phated: unforunately i am broke as hell |
| 05:34.53 | bob2 | Phated: or invent more fun stuff |
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| 05:35.03 | karsten | deadcat: Don't worry, her rates are, um, reasonable ;-) |
| 05:35.18 | bob2 | karsten: down boy |
| 05:35.32 | Phated | bob2: What for? I simply call them early in the morning and ask whether they want to go out shopping/movies/crashingamall/library/beach that day. |
| 05:35.40 | bob2 | Phated: hahahaha |
| 05:35.53 | bob2 | Phated: good to know your evil streak is not confined to irc |
| 05:36.00 | Phated | bob2: *grin* |
| 05:36.05 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.25 | toresbe | ...is the sound of me tripping over the KB cable on the way to get water |
| 05:36.53 | Phated | bob2: Or call them at night telling them about said day's activities. Until they have to get off the phone and do homework. XD |
| 05:36.55 | bob2 | ok |
| 05:37.00 | bob2 | tempura time |
| 05:37.02 | bob2 | Phated: haha |
| 05:37.04 | Phated | Tempura! |
| 05:37.12 | toresbe | mmm, tempura++; |
| 05:37.13 | bob2 | I shall bring back a full report |
| 05:37.16 | toresbe | do so |
| 05:37.18 | maher | Phated: so how many friends do you have left? :) |
| 05:37.22 | bob2 | and possibly photos to rub in the face of my office colleagues |
| 05:37.27 | Phated | maher: Several. I'm too amusing to lose. |
| 05:37.30 | toresbe | maher: he has *me*! |
| 05:37.35 | toresbe | she* |
| 05:37.35 | Phated | toresbe: SHE! |
| 05:37.38 | Phated | Heheh. |
| 05:37.52 | Phated | maher: No, toresbe is not a friend. He's merely... convenient. |
| 05:37.58 | toresbe | Phated: You know, I got that photo, and I did ask some questions ... |
| 05:38.00 | toresbe | :P |
| 05:38.10 | Phated | toresbe: Don't make me hit you harder than I do already. |
| 05:38.47 | Subvertir | it's shank or be shanked in #debian |
| 05:39.01 | toresbe | well, that sort of sucks. I'll retry my dihydrogenmonoxide fetch |
| 05:39.19 | Phated | Aye. After all, transport HAS improved ever so much, hasn't it, maher? |
| 05:39.35 | deadcat | maher: you're next on her list. |
| 05:39.37 | maher | Phated: you don't know where i live anyway... |
| 05:39.52 | Phated | I'm sure -someone- around here can tell me. |
| 05:39.55 | Ghostbuster | hello all |
| 05:40.07 | Phated | Failing that, I'll simply kill random strangers. |
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| 05:40.21 | toresbe | she'll do it! |
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| 05:40.29 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 05:40.29 | maher | Phated: 1 in 6 billion chance it'll be me anyway... |
| 05:40.33 | Phated | toresbe: It's OK, I know what you look like. |
| 05:40.50 | Phated | maher: 1 in (6 billion - 50) |
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| 05:41.19 | Phated | toresbe: You fail to understand that I will people I do not recognise. |
| 05:41.46 | karsten | Phated: "will people"? |
| 05:42.03 | toresbe | karsten: she's a people person |
| 05:42.03 | Phated | Sorry, will kill. |
| 05:42.17 | deadcat | Phated: hes a professor at caltech (= |
| 05:42.21 | john | anybody else ftp.nerim.net as one of their apt-get sources? |
| 05:42.25 | deadcat | kill him |
| 05:42.37 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
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| 05:42.50 | deadcat | Phated: i know a guy who knows a guy (= |
| 05:42.54 | rob_lt | john, yes |
| 05:42.56 | Phated | Well, there can only be, what, 100 lecturers at caltech? |
| 05:43.01 | john | is it down for you, also? |
| 05:43.04 | toresbe | Phated: I like those odds |
| 05:43.07 | Phated | maher: 1 in 100 now. Your life grows more perilous. |
| 05:43.12 | Phated | toresbe: I do. |
| 05:43.15 | ram_einstein | is there a debian release for newbies/dummies? |
| 05:43.26 | toresbe | Phated: also, his first name is Joseph |
| 05:43.28 | ram_einstein | sarge seems extremely hard to install |
| 05:43.33 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 05:43.41 | freewoody | How do I install Qmail in Debian |
| 05:43.42 | Phated | toresbe: Down to... 3 or 4, maybe? |
| 05:43.44 | toresbe | ram_einstein: it's not really |
| 05:43.51 | mwilson | freewoody: If you're smart, you don't. |
| 05:43.55 | toresbe | Phated: his last name is his nick :P |
| 05:44.03 | deadcat | HAHAHHA |
| 05:44.05 | ram_einstein | toresbe, my x crashed |
| 05:44.08 | Phated | toresbe: I'm aware of that, I'm as capable of whoising as you are. |
| 05:44.11 | ram_einstein | my screen blanked |
| 05:44.16 | ram_einstein | and gdm crashed too |
| 05:44.19 | rob_lt | john, well, there seems to be a problem. I can ping it, but an apt-get update stalls at 99% on that repo, so you aren't alone. |
| 05:44.22 | toresbe | ram_einstein: strange |
| 05:44.30 | john | yeah, same here, i can ping it also. |
| 05:44.33 | john | Okay, just making sure. |
| 05:44.40 | rob_lt | ok |
| 05:44.57 | ram_einstein | I can't even start debian now, my screen just blanks out |
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| 05:45.19 | maher | ram_einstein: ctrl-alt f2 for a console |
| 05:45.24 | freewoody | Why can't we use Qmail in Debian ? |
| 05:45.36 | mwilson | freewoody: Who said you couldn't? |
| 05:45.36 | freewoody | I thought that Qmail was better than Sendmail and Exim |
| 05:45.46 | mwilson | freewoody: Why did you think that? |
| 05:45.47 | freewoody | Why would there be a problem ? |
| 05:46.02 | freewoody | Well I came yesterday and got the same response |
| 05:46.23 | karsten | !tell freewoody about qmail |
| 05:46.33 | karsten | freewoody: You can. It's not DFSG free, however. |
| 05:46.35 | mwilson | freewoody: What response is that? |
| 05:46.42 | toresbe | !tell me about qmail |
| 05:46.59 | Phated | toresbe: /msg dpkg qmail :P |
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| 05:47.14 | toresbe | sorry |
| 05:47.18 | karsten | Phated: Why don't you just kill him. Faster, easier, solves the problem. |
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| 05:47.30 | Phated | karsten: You see, I have no idea how he looks. |
| 05:47.31 | karsten | Phated: What's the best thing about teenagers? |
| 05:47.45 | freewoody | However my company's Mail runs on Qmail |
| 05:47.48 | Phated | karsten: Their tight whatevers? |
| 05:47.52 | karsten | Phated: So if I told you I had some picture of some random guy on my webpage, you'd stop killing me? |
| 05:47.55 | karsten | Phated: Mood swings. |
| 05:47.58 | freewoody | And I have be given a job to setup a local SMTP Server |
| 05:48.12 | Phated | karsten: Not at all. I thought you were referring to maher. |
| 05:48.15 | karsten | freewoody: Install exim | courier | postfix instead. |
| 05:48.16 | freewoody | Should I stick to Qmail or change to Exim or PostFix |
| 05:48.26 | deadcat | Phated: theres a pic on him on his site (= |
| 05:48.36 | Phated | deadcat: Hahaha. |
| 05:48.54 | deadcat | now you have every reason to kill him |
| 05:49.05 | karsten | deadcat: Gee, thanks. |
| 05:49.20 | freewoody | Ok thanks |
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| 05:50.57 | toresbe | maher: suuuuuure |
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| 05:51.04 | Phated | This should be a lesson to everyone about IRC. |
| 05:51.21 | karsten | maher: I thought postdocs had to _pay_ for the privilege of being set up to die... |
| 05:51.29 | karsten | Phated: Porquois? |
| 05:51.42 | maher | karsten: we usually get some grad student to do it for us |
| 05:51.53 | Phated | karsten: I'm still trying to come up with it. |
| 05:52.08 | karsten | Phated: ? |
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| 05:52.57 | Phated | Never mind. |
| 05:53.09 | karsten | Phated: s/Never/No/ |
| 05:53.15 | Phated | :P |
| 05:54.56 | karsten | Wyzard: OK, here's stats: real: 61m19.633s, user: 27m44.118s, sys: 0m14.244s |
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| 05:55.19 | karsten | Wyzard: $ wc bx-2\^24\*1024\*768 |
| 05:55.19 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.28 | Wyzard | karsten: That makes more sense, but 27min vs. 36 is still less of a difference than I'd expect, given that your system is 2 or 3 times as fast as mine |
| 05:55.45 | karsten | Wyzard: You've got a what? |
| 05:55.54 | Wyzard | karsten: (Maybe proof that Gentoo's optimization *does* make a significant different in some cases?) |
| 05:56.08 | Wyzard | karsten: 950MHz Thunderbird, PC2100 RAM |
| 05:56.20 | karsten | Wyzard: Heh. Could be. CPU-specific optimization pays off for CPU-specific processes. |
| 05:56.20 | Wyzard | 133MHz FSB, I think |
| 05:56.37 | karsten | Wyzard: This is a Mini-ITX box. Not sure the bus or RAM speed. |
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| 05:57.27 | karsten | Wyzard: Printed (via 'pr') that would be 1,493 pages. |
| 05:58.06 | Wyzard | I just find it funny that fully a quarter of my laptop's hard drive is taken up by a giant file containing the digits of a colossally huge number |
| 05:58.19 | Wyzard | oops, s/laptop/Gentoo box/ |
| 05:58.20 | karsten | Wyzard: Heh. |
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| 05:58.38 | Wyzard | I'm running the bc calculation on the laptop now, though I'll probably go to bed before it finishes |
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| 06:01.09 | karsten | Wyzard: If you'd like, I've got a 2.6 MB postscript file (bzip2 compressed) with the result ;-) |
| 06:01.16 | scradley | hi all - having some trouble with loading modules on debian(sarge), can anyone help out? |
| 06:01.31 | karsten | !tell scradley about ask |
| 06:01.39 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 06:01.59 | karsten | Wyzard: Cool part is that gv loads that up with no problems. |
| 06:02.19 | Wyzard | That's pretty good compression for a 5.6GB file |
| 06:02.46 | karsten | Wyzard: *MB*. |
| 06:03.01 | Wyzard | yes, 5.6GB raw down to 2.6MB compressed |
| 06:03.03 | mwilson | grrrrrrr |
| 06:03.25 | Wyzard | Better than 1000:1 compression |
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| 06:03.41 | karsten | Wyzard: 7.9 MB for the postscript, 5.6 MB for raw text, trying to compress source now. |
| 06:03.42 | mwilson | scradley: I don't suppose you'll actually ever provide details of whatever problem you think you're having? |
| 06:03.46 | scradley | more specifically, running 2.6.8 generic (debian) kernel, system was working properly until i installed 'bootsplash-theme-debian-sarge' using aptitude |
| 06:03.49 | karsten | Wyzard: No, it's *not* a 5 GB file. |
| 06:04.01 | karsten | !tell scradley about smart questions |
| 06:04.26 | karsten | scradley: What are you doing? What do you want to do? What's happening? |
| 06:04.41 | Wyzard | karsten: It has to be... there are 5.6 million digits in the number, so any file containing all of them has to be at least that big, sans compression |
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| 06:05.02 | Wyzard | oh, oops |
| 06:05.03 | Wyzard | lol |
| 06:05.04 | karsten | Wyzard: Right. MB == Million *bytes*. |
| 06:05.13 | Wyzard | bah, it's late :-) |
| 06:05.14 | karsten | Wyzard: Not billion. |
| 06:05.42 | Wyzard | and my brain has apparently been stretched a bit by all these huge numbers |
| 06:05.46 | scradley | karsten: basicly after installing that package, system wouldnt boot. managed to get it up with grub command line, however now i cannot seem to load modules at all |
| 06:06.18 | karsten | scradley: "I did ... And it's like ..." are *not* smart questions. |
| 06:06.34 | karsten | scradley: What happens when you run 'modprobe <module>' ? |
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| 06:07.19 | karsten | Wyzard: Interesting: both the raw digits and the postscript file compress to ~2.5 MB |
| 06:07.47 | karsten | Wyzard: text: 2547572 bytes. Postscript: 2652691 bytes |
| 06:07.50 | scradley | karsten: QM_MODULES: function not implemented.. however i'm still using the same standard debian 2.6 kernel |
| 06:07.59 | scradley | with modules enabled |
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| 06:08.20 | Wyzard | karsten: That makes sense, I guess... the PostScript doesn't really add that much to the file |
| 06:08.26 | maher | scradley: do you have module-init-tools installed |
| 06:08.31 | scradley | yes |
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| 06:09.34 | karsten | Wyzard: ...and what it does is pretty redundant. |
| 06:10.11 | karsten | Wyzard: 102 KB total nonredundnat info. |
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| 06:11.48 | karsten | !tell Q-ubuntu about ubuntu |
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| 06:12.01 | Floops | anyone has a unstable link for uk for source |
| 06:12.20 | gogo3or | http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/?5691 but the port 80 don't work |
| 06:12.21 | Wyzard | karsten: OK... bedtime for me |
| 06:12.32 | Wyzard | karsten: btw, http://www.fpx.de/fp/Fun/Googolplex/ -- scroll down a little for a fun proof |
| 06:12.36 | gogo3or | thx for polite help |
| 06:15.59 | maher | scradley: talk in the channel |
| 06:16.01 | karsten | Wyzard: Later |
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| 06:17.23 | scradley | maher: modutils and module-init-tools are installed. also found that /proc/ksyms is missing .. |
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| 06:18.44 | Lucar | alguem pode dar um help no iptables ??? estou querendo saber como bloquear uma faixa de ip em uma rede interna |
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| 06:18.58 | maher | scradley: dunno |
| 06:18.59 | drac | Lucar: Sorry, wrong language. |
| 06:19.23 | scradley | maher: thanks anyway.. |
| 06:19.29 | liable | scradley: if its a standard kernel, bootsplash wont work anyway, can you chroot in? |
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| 06:19.43 | torc | what is the right syntax for the binds 'query-source' ? |
| 06:20.20 | torc | if i specify it as 'query-source address 192.168.1.1;' i get the following error: expected IP address near 'address' :/ |
| 06:20.34 | scradley | liable: i managed to boot the kernel again, using grub command line, now i cannot load kernel modules |
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| 06:21.03 | liable | scradley: with the install disk? |
| 06:21.47 | liable | scradley: you have a knoppix disk? |
| 06:21.49 | karsten | Wyzard: Base googolpex indeed. |
| 06:22.03 | scradley | liable: no after installing the package, i lost the grub menu and instead got the command line (later found that menu.lst was gone). |
| 06:22.04 | karsten | scradley: /proc is a virtual filesystem. |
| 06:22.13 | liable | scradley: just try chrooting in and removing the package |
| 06:22.31 | jla | gogo3or get that figured out? Can you paste your iptables -L output? You just want the firewalled system to accept :80 from the 'net right? |
| 06:23.00 | gogo3or | jla: yes |
| 06:23.14 | scradley | liable: dont have a knoppix disk, i'll grab one now |
| 06:23.16 | scradley | brb |
| 06:23.35 | Q-ubuntu | karsten: thank you for letting me know... I'm just trying out what is all the fuzz around Ubuntu, running it comfortebly within vmware on a Gentoo machine :-) |
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| 06:23.42 | Plutojambo | 555555 |
| 06:23.43 | mikeKJL | Any engineers in the house? |
| 06:23.45 | liable | scradley: you can do it with the install disk too, but knoppix is a bit easier |
| 06:23.50 | karsten | Q-ubuntu: Hrm |
| 06:23.59 | cafuego | mikeKJL: DCSEs? |
| 06:24.01 | mikeKJL | Hoew do you see your sent mail in Linux |
| 06:24.09 | mikeKJL | cafuego: Hows it goin? |
| 06:24.15 | cafuego | mikeKJL: you switch the mua to the sent mail folder. |
| 06:24.15 | karsten | Q-ubuntu: ...should I trell you about #gentoo and #vmware? ;-) |
| 06:24.25 | Q-ubuntu | no :) |
| 06:24.31 | streuner | Q-ubuntu: what does the 'Q' in your nick mean? |
| 06:24.32 | gogo3or | jla: http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/?5692 |
| 06:24.37 | cafuego | mikeKJL: if you didn't tell the mua to save sent mail, it probably doesn't have any. |
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| 06:25.05 | mikeKJL | cafuego: whats the stroke? |
| 06:25.11 | Q-collective | streuner: just something I picked up |
| 06:25.14 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 06:25.28 | mikeKJL | cafuego: whats dcse? |
| 06:25.31 | cafuego | mikeKJL: Would you like me to guess for half an hour or can you tell me what mua you use? |
| 06:25.42 | karsten | streuner: It stands for 'Q'. |
| 06:25.43 | gogo3or | jla: what u see? |
| 06:25.51 | karsten | !u |
| 06:25.51 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:25.55 | streuner | karsten: how do you know? |
| 06:25.56 | cafuego | mikeKJL: Debian Certified Systems Engineer |
| 06:25.57 | mikeKJL | cafuego: Oh I didn't know what mua. Fetchmail |
| 06:26.02 | Q-collective | karsten gets it :D |
| 06:26.10 | cafuego | mikeKJL: fetchmail fetches mail, doesn't normally send it. |
| 06:26.14 | karsten | streuner: Q-factor |
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| 06:26.21 | mikeKJL | cafuego: How much is that, I want one too? --dcse, that rules |
| 06:26.29 | jla | it is looking right. eth0 is your network interface, right? try again with iptables -vL Anything else in iptables output? |
| 06:26.32 | mikeKJL | cafuego: my bad, exim |
| 06:26.36 | cafuego | mikeKJL: 'mua' is 'Mail user Agent' - the mail program you use. |
| 06:26.41 | streuner | karsten: well, that isn't IQ then ;-) |
| 06:26.52 | Q-ubuntu | hmm |
| 06:27.03 | cafuego | mikeKJL: exim is the mta (mail transport agent) |
| 06:27.04 | mikeKJL | cafuego, I don't know sir, I use exim, fetchmail, mutt |
| 06:27.12 | Q-ubuntu | no xfce4? :( |
| 06:27.12 | cafuego | mikeKJL: 'mutt' is your mua then. |
| 06:27.16 | scradley | liable: sorry phone call - will try with knoppix now, back later, thanks |
| 06:27.18 | Hackel | Any way to scan two directories for duplicate files and delete all but one? (like fdupes, only non-interactively...I've got 19k files!) |
| 06:27.18 | cafuego | mikeKJL: try 'c' |
| 06:27.21 | mikeKJL | cafuego, cool |
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| 06:27.29 | karsten | Q-ubuntu: It's in Debian. |
| 06:27.43 | liable | scradley: np, good luck |
| 06:28.02 | scradley | liable: thanks |
| 06:28.03 | gogo3or | jla: i have got tomcat this is problem but i have in tom cat root / |
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| 06:28.08 | Q-ubuntu | karsten: I know, that's why I set my apt servers to debian unstable |
| 06:28.09 | mikeKJL | cafuego: my configuration is all out of whack cause when I press C it goes to ~/mail, but fetchmail sends to /var/mail/user |
| 06:28.15 | karsten | cafuego: I like it. |
| 06:28.30 | cafuego | karsten: ey? |
| 06:28.35 | karsten | cafuego: DCSE. |
| 06:28.42 | jla | gogo3or can you telnet localhost 80 and have it work? |
| 06:28.49 | streuner | Q-ubuntu: any idea what you are running then? |
| 06:28.52 | karsten | cafuego: We need DCSZ to go with it. |
| 06:28.57 | cafuego | karsten: I'll mail you a PNG with your certificate for a mere $42.00 |
| 06:29.08 | mikeKJL | cafuego: and in /var/mail/ there hasn't been created nothing but ericb |
| 06:29.10 | Q-collective | streuner: Gnu/Linux |
| 06:29.13 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 06:29.26 | karsten | cafuego: Great, I'll send you a PNG with your $42.00 on it. |
| 06:29.30 | streuner | Q-ubuntu: read Sid FAQ (/msg dpkg sid faq) |
| 06:29.44 | mikeKJL | cafuego, what do you think should I create them in /var/mail/username, or change fetchmail to send mail to ~/mail |
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| 06:29.52 | karsten | mikeKJL: Mail delivers to /var/spool/mail/<user>. If you want to grab it, use procmail. |
| 06:30.12 | cafuego | mikeKJL: /var/mail/username is your inbox, you can leave it there. |
| 06:30.28 | karsten | mikeKJL: ...I think fetchmail can send to a folder, most people use procmail recipies. Maybe. Anyhow, I do. |
| 06:30.36 | cafuego | mikeKJL: mutt *may* have saved copies of outgoing mail in ~/mail/sent |
| 06:30.49 | karsten | mikeKJL: tree ~/mail |
| 06:31.11 | mikeKJL | thx guys I will search through those locations |
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| 06:31.42 | torc | how can i exchange the eth0 and eth0:0 addresses without loosing remote connectivity? |
| 06:31.58 | [Roosta] | ;; |
| 06:32.13 | torc | especially if i am connecting to the eth0:0 address :/ |
| 06:32.18 | [Roosta] | :) |
| 06:32.20 | torc | :) |
| 06:32.31 | karsten | torc: Very carefully. |
| 06:32.38 | Q-ubuntu | damn |
| 06:32.42 | karsten | torc: Modify /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:32.44 | torc | any kind of roadmap avail? |
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| 06:32.46 | karsten | torc: Start screen. |
| 06:32.50 | Q-ubuntu | sid still has xfce4-4.0.5? |
| 06:32.53 | Q-ubuntu | ouch |
| 06:32.54 | [Roosta] | set a crontab to restore it if you fuck up |
| 06:32.55 | karsten | torc: Ask if you don't know what that is. |
| 06:32.59 | karsten | Q-ubuntu: apt-cache show ... |
| 06:33.03 | [Roosta] | so if you fuck up, a couple minutes later it'll fix itself |
| 06:33.05 | torc | ahh, crontab is nice :) |
| 06:33.08 | Q-ubuntu | karsten: sorry? |
| 06:33.11 | karsten | [Roosta]: Point. |
| 06:33.13 | torc | so i should write a shell script. |
| 06:33.23 | karsten | Q-ubuntu: apt-cache will show version availability. |
| 06:33.30 | Q-ubuntu | ah |
| 06:33.38 | karsten | [Roosta]: I'd do an 'at' job myself. |
| 06:33.55 | torc | ill paste the script here later for your review, ok? |
| 06:34.03 | streuner | Q-ubuntu: have you read Sid FAQ yet? |
| 06:34.04 | [Roosta] | to each his own |
| 06:34.09 | Q-ubuntu | karsten: I just pointed out what dpkg said to me :-) |
| 06:34.10 | MobyTurbo | Q-ubuntu: there's a third party repository that includes xfce 4.2 for Sarge |
| 06:34.17 | Q-ubuntu | streuner: reading it |
| 06:34.24 | karsten | torc: Anyhow: then, in screen, _on_ _one_ _line_: ifdown eth0:0; ifdown eth0; ifconfig eth0:0 down; ifconfig eth0 down; ifup eth0; ifup eth0:0 |
| 06:34.27 | Q-ubuntu | MobyTurbo: ah, nice |
| 06:34.42 | karsten | Q-ubuntu: Ford Prefect had it right about people discussing the obvious. |
| 06:34.52 | gogo3or | jla: msg? |
| 06:34.56 | torc | karsten: aha... why in screen? |
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| 06:35.05 | karsten | torc: Session stays live. |
| 06:35.07 | Lucar | to block InterNet for a band of IP in the internal net ??? pardon for my English of the altavis: ( |
| 06:35.19 | [Roosta] | torc - don't forget to modify interfaces first |
| 06:35.27 | torc | karsten: what if create 2 cron jobs - one fucks it up, the second recovers? :) |
| 06:35.33 | Q-ubuntu | karsten: not familiar with Ford Prefect :) |
| 06:35.48 | torc | ok, trying... |
| 06:35.50 | [Roosta] | he's an alien from a small planet in the vicinity of betelguese |
| 06:35.52 | mikeKJL | I can use emacs instead of mutt, but my emacs open too big in X, cause I have a small screen, anyone know of fix |
| 06:35.54 | MobyTurbo | Lucar: man iptables |
| 06:36.01 | karsten | torc: You may want to: cd /etc/network/; cp interfaces; interfaces.bak; sleep 120; ifdown eth0:0; ifdown eth0; ifconfig eth0:0 down; ifconfig eth0 down; cp interfaces.bak interfaces; ifup eth0; ifup eth0:0 |
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| 06:36.17 | maher | mikeKJL: emacs -nw opens in the terminal |
| 06:36.19 | karsten | [Roosta]: With a weakness for Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters. |
| 06:36.27 | jla | gogo3or why so restrictive with 127.0.0.1 sources? Concerned about local stuff binding to localhost? |
| 06:36.32 | karsten | mikeKJL: Resize it. |
| 06:36.38 | MobyTurbo | mikeKJL: use -gemotry or to make it use an xterm instead use the -nw flag. |
| 06:36.45 | mikeKJL | maher, thx |
| 06:36.50 | jla | gogo3or what happened when you tried to do telnet localhost 80 from that computer? |
| 06:36.52 | [Roosta] | i hate when addicts and alcoholics say "i should have been dead X times" |
| 06:36.54 | MobyTurbo | s/gemotry/geometry |
| 06:36.54 | mikeKJL | karsten: But all the edges are out of view |
| 06:37.09 | mikeKJL | MobyTurbo, thx |
| 06:37.09 | karsten | mikeKJL: <alt> + mouse may move the window, depending on your WM. |
| 06:37.26 | [Roosta] | i have a cpanel server which is my ns1 server. i have a second server out there that is my ns2 server. when i add a new domain I get this error on ns2 in named.log: May 11 01:32:36.804 notify: info: received notify for zone 'foobar.com': not authoritative |
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| 06:37.37 | [Roosta] | i can't figure out how to make ns2 accept notifies from my cpanel server |
| 06:37.37 | torc | why `ifconfig down` is done after `ifdown`? |
| 06:37.41 | torc | kind of clean-up? |
| 06:37.57 | gogo3or | jla: Escape character is '^]'. |
| 06:37.57 | gogo3or | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 06:38.08 | karsten | torc: ifupdown isn't authoritative. |
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| 06:38.17 | torc | ah, ok. |
| 06:38.18 | karsten | torc: 'ifconfig down' means the interface is *down*. |
| 06:38.25 | torc | but its still there ;) |
| 06:38.35 | torc | while ifconfig down removes the eth0:0, right? |
| 06:38.36 | karsten | torc: Sure. Unless you rmmod the driver. |
| 06:38.42 | karsten | torc: Right. |
| 06:38.44 | torc | ok. |
| 06:38.53 | gogo3or | jla: on this mashine i have Trying 127.0.0.1... when im telnet |
| 06:38.58 | karsten | torc: Ask now. It's hard to get back in when the system's not responding. |
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| 06:39.08 | mikeKJL | karsten: alt+mouse is wicked |
| 06:39.12 | karsten | torc: Alternatively, if you have two routes in, you might want to set a session on the ohter. |
| 06:39.13 | torc | ok, need to write a new intefraces. |
| 06:39.15 | karsten | mikeKJL: Works? |
| 06:39.27 | jla | gogo3or type GET / <return> |
| 06:40.06 | gogo3or | jla: but i have trynig and this nothig do only trying |
| 06:40.45 | mikeKJL | karsten, yeah I can move it now and rsize it. Is the a way similar to alt+mouse that I could just shrink the size, instead of moving and then trying the catch the edge to move it up to find the bottom corner |
| 06:40.52 | jla | gogo3or after you telnet localhost 80 and see the "Escape character is" and type GET / <return> does it print anything? |
| 06:41.03 | karsten | mikeKJL: What's your desktop? |
| 06:41.10 | [Roosta] | torc - if you want to simplify things can you add another interface and connect through that? eg) eth0:2 |
| 06:41.26 | mikeKJL | karsten, fluxbox |
| 06:41.38 | torc | [Roosta]: will it still be up after the `ifconfig eth0 down` ? |
| 06:41.58 | mikeKJL | karsten, alt x only works in Emacs? |
| 06:42.09 | gogo3or | jla: when the firewall is on i see only trying 127.0.0... unit i stopped firewall no "Escape character is" |
| 06:42.28 | streuner | *raises his eyebrow* |
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| 06:42.45 | karsten | mikeKJL: Not sure. In WindowMaker, I can get a window management dialog with <ctrl><esc> |
| 06:43.05 | jla | gogo3or again, I'm not sure why you're being so restrictive with 127.0.0.1, but you need to allow it to access 80, at least on your internet ip. |
| 06:43.15 | Q-collective | streuner: not negatively intended btw ;) |
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| 06:43.32 | gogo3or | jla: buy how show me |
| 06:43.37 | karsten | jla: IMO restricting 127/8 access is just plain dumb. |
| 06:43.47 | gogo3or | yes its dumb |
| 06:43.55 | mikeKJL | karsten, Oh yeah, this alt+mouse is awesome, thx |
| 06:44.12 | streuner | Q-collective: we have all to learn a lot each day, but trust people who have experience with sid ;-) |
| 06:44.26 | Q-collective | hehe |
| 06:44.57 | karsten | Q-collective: G'night. |
| 06:44.59 | gogo3or | jla: show me your iptables witch policy input drop, please? |
| 06:45.03 | karsten | Q-collective: Behave yourselves. |
| 06:45.08 | Q-collective | later |
| 06:45.13 | Q-collective | karsten: will do ;) |
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| 06:45.47 | jla | gogo3or I use shorewall, you don't want to see my iptables, they are huge. But it's a good way to set up a firewall if you aren't sure what you want. |
| 06:46.20 | gogo3or | jla: i want connect to 80 |
| 06:46.32 | jla | gogo3or if you're not ready to do that, clear your rules, and re-add without any of the lines that have 127.0.0.1 in them |
| 06:46.34 | gogo3or | you saw my logs |
| 06:46.50 | gogo3or | but i have politicy DROP on ipnut |
| 06:47.04 | mikeKJL | MobyTurbo: emacs -geometry 70 30? Is that how |
| 06:47.31 | gogo3or | jla: the chain for 127 are nesserary |
| 06:47.34 | jla | gogo3or you have a rule to allow traffic from anywhere comming in eth0 to go to port 80, so some other rule must be messing with that. |
| 06:47.44 | jla | gogo3or necessary for? |
| 06:47.49 | streuner | karsten: the software (xf**) was too old for him... |
| 06:47.52 | gogo3or | for tomcat and apache |
| 06:47.59 | streuner | karsten: in sid |
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| 06:48.05 | karsten | streuner: ?? |
| 06:48.25 | karsten | streuner: Q-collective? Yeah, I noticed. |
| 06:48.26 | mikeKJL | MobyTurbo: Yeah, thats how, that works great thx! |
| 06:48.33 | karsten | streuner: I avoided any "rice" comments.... |
| 06:49.15 | liable | rice? |
| 06:49.20 | jla | gogo3or if you weren't blocking stuff on 127.x you wouldn't need any allow rules on 127.x. Not necessary |
| 06:49.33 | mikeKJL | MobyTurbo: No that isn't working, its only modifying the width, whats the format for specify both |
| 06:49.40 | karsten | liable: http://www.funrolloops.org/ or something. |
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| 06:50.05 | Plutojambo | 555 |
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| 06:51.11 | torc | karsten: please take a look at -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/116 |
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| 06:51.23 | torc | [Roosta]: thats the change script. |
| 06:51.27 | Plutojambo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.34 | liable | Plutojambo: broken keyboard, one 5 for yes, two for no :) |
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| 06:52.06 | Plutojambo | why I cannot change my name-color |
| 06:52.08 | Plutojambo | ? |
| 06:52.11 | karsten | torc: Looks sane. |
| 06:52.28 | [Roosta] | torc - you mihgt want to use full paths to the binaries |
| 06:52.34 | karsten | torc: The key is: run that from something that *WON'T* get disconnected when you bring the interfaces down. |
| 06:52.45 | karsten | torc: Hence 'screen'. |
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| 06:53.17 | karsten | torc: Also, if you schedule the whole bit after the 'sleep' as an at job, you can launch it, then kill it. |
| 06:53.22 | karsten | torc: ...if you don't need it. |
| 06:53.24 | torc | why not nohup ? |
| 06:53.41 | torc | i'll kill the script shell if everything is fine :/ |
| 06:54.05 | karsten | torc: Trust me on this. |
| 06:54.10 | karsten | torc: Do you know what screen is? |
| 06:54.13 | liable | karsten: how can screen stay connected if you bring the interface down? |
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| 06:54.22 | karsten | liable: Try it. |
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| 06:54.32 | torc | yep, its like 'screen -a blablabla, then ctrl-a+d` ;) |
| 06:55.01 | MobyTurbo | nohup is fine for non-interactive processes, but it's impossible for interactive processes. |
| 06:55.05 | karsten | torc: The point: whatever's running in screen will continue to run if you disconnect. So the ifdown/ifup works. |
| 06:55.14 | karsten | torc: You then ssh back in and 'screen -r' to reconnect. |
| 06:55.37 | karsten | torc: Using 'at' means you can launch the job, then 'atrm -' to kill it if you don't need to go back to old settings. |
| 06:55.53 | karsten | torc: ...other than hitting ^C and finding you've killed 'sleep' but not the rest of the tasks. |
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| 06:56.16 | torc | its fine. i think it will work :) |
| 06:56.24 | torc | need to clear arp on the router also... |
| 06:56.36 | karsten | torc: It's your remote hands bill. |
| 06:56.44 | torc | ah, lol :) |
| 06:57.28 | karsten | torc: Laugh. It's your remote hands bill. |
| 06:57.52 | torc | ok, need to check everything. |
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| 06:59.07 | Araldit | when will the next testing be availible, does anyone know? |
| 06:59.13 | torc | screen is nohup by default? |
| 06:59.17 | streuner | !wir |
| 06:59.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 06:59.41 | streuner | Araldit: wir |
| 06:59.46 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know what is a good word processing software for debian that uses a GUI... I'm looking for Microsoft Word without the Copyright and Gayness.. |
| 06:59.59 | [Roosta] | openoffice |
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| 07:00.14 | Araldit | streuner: wir? |
| 07:00.14 | [Roosta] | what's gay about word |
| 07:00.15 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: antiword, abiword |
| 07:00.31 | streuner | Araldit: when its ready |
| 07:00.32 | TwistedEmotions | [Roosta]: Does that have all the applications or just word processing? |
| 07:00.40 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i installed openoffice on your box already |
| 07:00.46 | [Roosta] | TwistedEmotions - whichever you want |
| 07:00.52 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Ur fired! |
| 07:00.56 | deadcat | )= |
| 07:00.57 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I mean thanks |
| 07:00.58 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 07:01.01 | deadcat | hehe |
| 07:01.05 | TwistedEmotions | How do I access it? |
| 07:01.14 | [Roosta] | step into my office! why? cuz you're fuckin fired! |
| 07:01.17 | torc | muahaha :) everything is fine now :) |
| 07:01.27 | torc | thanks karsten, [Roosta], everyone :) |
| 07:01.29 | deadcat | i think donal drump copyrighted "you're fired!" |
| 07:01.49 | [Roosta] | welcome torc |
| 07:01.51 | supaman | hey, whats up with this debian .. why does it allow my root partition be fille up with /var/log messages? |
| 07:01.59 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U sure u installed openoffice? |
| 07:02.01 | supaman | filled even |
| 07:02.08 | streuner | Araldit: /msg dpkg sarge frozen |
| 07:02.08 | supaman | /dev/hda8 3225252 3225252 0 100% / |
| 07:02.09 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: dpkg -l |grep openoff |
| 07:02.25 | [Roosta] | supaman - rotate your logs |
| 07:02.26 | torc | but what is 'SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address' - seen it for the subinterfaces :/ |
| 07:02.35 | jla | supaman your choice (though could be default with simple/desktop) to not have /var be it's own partition. |
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| 07:02.46 | karsten | torc: Bad drivers. |
| 07:02.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: nothing.. |
| 07:02.51 | TwistedEmotions | I will install dont trip |
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| 07:02.57 | karsten | supaman: Why is /var on root? |
| 07:03.01 | torc | karsten: its sparc64/sun e220r after all ;) |
| 07:03.10 | b33r | ok i read $man search, but i just cant seem to figure out how to search / for speex.h |
| 07:03.14 | torc | karsten: so bad drivers if fine for that box. |
| 07:03.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Open office, Antiword or abiword? |
| 07:03.23 | supaman | [Roosta]: mmm ... how do I do that (is there some script that does this automatically for me or do I have to do it manually)? |
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| 07:03.32 | glick | hello |
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| 07:03.34 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: abi sucks. fast but sucks |
| 07:03.35 | glick | excuse me, can anyone tell me what the difference is between a switch and a router, and in what cases i would use one over the other? |
| 07:03.42 | supaman | karsten: yes, I dont run a serve so I thought it would be ok, my mistaka to maka |
| 07:03.47 | karsten | !tell supaman about partitioning howto |
| 07:03.48 | mikeKJL | so how do yoy check you email using emacs, also who's job would it be to save sent mail, exim, or fetchmail or mutt |
| 07:03.57 | karsten | supaman: There's reasons to part things out. |
| 07:03.57 | eXoDuS | hey, quick question, i've been reading the man for dpkg-scanpackages, but it seems it wants the binaries in a single dir, what if i want to use a pool like debian is doing now? |
| 07:04.18 | karsten | supaman: Your immediate questions are: is your current allocation sane, if so, what's filling /var? |
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| 07:04.45 | streuner | !listauth peterS |
| 07:04.45 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'peterS' (15): qotd27 ;; sarge pool 4 ;; peters ;; CMD: catattack (.*?) ;; make error ;; ' ;; chkrootkit ;; good answer ;; uuoc ;; fricandelle ;; lied ;; ask2ask ;; uce ;; i845 ;; usb-storage. |
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| 07:04.58 | supaman | karsten: yes I know ... and I do have the /home on a seperate partition ... just never thought the system would allow the root to be filled up, specially not with log files |
| 07:05.24 | jla | supaman /etc/cron.daily/logrotate should have been being run. Are you sure it's your logs? I'd guess that your apt file cache is doing it. happens on big upgrades w/o enough space. |
| 07:05.45 | ircdevil | anyone follow the story about the sweedish kid hacking cisco? was it a security whole in ssh or did they succeeded in installing their own ssh on their machines? |
| 07:05.53 | supaman | jla: well, doing du -h /var/log/ gives 1,5G /var/log/ |
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| 07:06.23 | jla | supaman fun, who's the biggest offender in there? |
| 07:06.26 | supaman | jla: was trying to read some cd yesterday and my kernel, syslog, messages files got filed up |
| 07:06.30 | supaman | filled even |
| 07:06.32 | karsten | supaman: There's not much you can't do. Unless you set up quotas, which don't apply to root anyway. |
| 07:06.35 | jla | ahh |
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| 07:06.57 | karsten | supaman: cd /var/log; du -s * | sort -nr | head -20 |
| 07:07.07 | streuner | How can you see _ALL_ answers of dpkg in (/msg dpkg listauth peterS)? |
| 07:07.20 | jla | probably messages or wherever "seek reset error" goes besides dmesg |
| 07:07.28 | bob2 | streuner: look at the database dump |
| 07:07.31 | peterS | streuner: you could get a mysql dump of its factoids and trawl through it yourself. /msg dpkg my factoids |
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| 07:07.48 | karsten | bob2: What's this "look at"? We *know* you've memorized it. |
| 07:07.55 | supaman | karsten: yes, its messages.0, kern.log.0 and syslog.0 that take up all the space |
| 07:08.09 | supaman | ill try and run the rotatelog script |
| 07:08.14 | ircdevil | the true reason the space shuttles blow up all the time is that hackers have mangled the steering code. the original code was replaced with xinvaders. |
| 07:08.25 | jla | supaman prob won't help unless you force logrotate to rotate again. |
| 07:08.26 | streuner | peterS: the original problem was, that you have created an factoid which is hard to remember ;-) |
| 07:08.27 | dondelelcaro | !listauth peters |
| 07:08.27 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'peters' (15): sarge pool 4 ;; good answer ;; usb-storage ;; CMD: catattack (.*?) ;; i845 ;; ' ;; lied ;; chkrootkit ;; qotd27 ;; fricandelle ;; make error ;; peters ;; uuoc ;; ask2ask ;; uce. |
| 07:08.29 | bob2 | karsten: b25seSBzb21lIG9mIGl0Cg== |
| 07:08.32 | karsten | supaman: What's in 'em? |
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| 07:08.53 | peterS | dondelelcaro: streuner thinks I had more than that, I guess. which wouldn't surprise me |
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| 07:08.57 | bob2 | karsten: base64 |
| 07:08.58 | mikeKJL | Hey what the heck, my alt keys don't work, I type alt+v in emacs and it types v |
| 07:09.07 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 07:09.11 | bob2 | mikeKJL: emacs doesn't care about alt, it likes meta |
| 07:09.14 | streuner | eXoDuS: /msg dpkg own repo |
| 07:09.22 | eXoDuS | streuner: thanks |
| 07:09.22 | ircdevil | karsten: heheheheheh SELECT * FROM bob2; ... |
| 07:09.24 | freewoody | I can't get my PostFix mail server working from 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:09.26 | supaman | karsten: just a bunch of error messages about my cd-rom ... had some cd yesterday that I was trying to read but didnt succeed |
| 07:09.28 | peterS | streuner: heh, yeah, that was one of mine. maybe someone modified it |
| 07:09.32 | mikeKJL | bob2, but I was following the tutorial, and so how do you move up a page, |
| 07:09.34 | jmspeex | b33r: /usr/include/speex/speex.h |
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| 07:09.47 | supaman | jla: why wont that one help? |
| 07:09.49 | MobyTurbo | mikeKJL: pressing ESC and then the letter works when meta != alt |
| 07:09.53 | Stereo | hi |
| 07:09.55 | bob2 | mikeKJL: page up |
| 07:09.58 | jm_ | user_: I used it a few times |
| 07:10.00 | bob2 | mikeKJL: or sec-v |
| 07:10.04 | bob2 | mikeKJL: er, escape-v |
| 07:10.05 | streuner | !factinfo own repo |
| 07:10.05 | dpkg | own repo -- last modified at Wed Aug 4 01:28:17 2004 by peterS!~peterS~@adsl-66-138-124-254.dsl.wcfltx.swbell.net; it has been requested 30 times, last by eXoDuS, 41s ago. |
| 07:10.09 | mikeKJL | cool |
| 07:10.09 | jla | supaman I'm just guessing that the .0 files are there from today's rotation since you said you were trying to read the scratched CD yesterday |
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| 07:10.17 | peterS | hmmmm |
| 07:10.25 | Stereo | I'd like to limit the bandwidth from one ip to one of my ports. Can you please suggest a method, or maybe a package, or somewhere I could RTFM in particular? |
| 07:10.27 | dondelelcaro | yeah, the whole created/modified thingie is kind of screwy |
| 07:10.34 | user_ | jm_ is it better then vmware? how much space does it take, do i have to boot with special kernel, or i can run it form my current session? |
| 07:10.47 | jla | supaman and the files are set to rotate daily in your logrotate conf stuff. Force it, or just delete the big .0 logs if you aren't gonig to look at them anyway |
| 07:10.47 | bob2 | Stereo: be more specific |
| 07:10.54 | supaman | jla: yes, and so running the rotate again should put todays logs into the .0 files and compress todays .0 files right? |
| 07:10.54 | streuner | dondelelcaro: is there a way that dpkg show all entries in db? |
| 07:10.58 | freewoody | Can somebody tell me how to make PostFix send mails from my IP Address |
| 07:11.00 | MobyTurbo | !better |
| 07:11.00 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 07:11.00 | peterS | Stereo: what you want is traffic shaping. read up on that |
| 07:11.02 | bob2 | Stereo: if it's http, apache has a module for it |
| 07:11.03 | streuner | dondelelcaro: s/in/of/ |
| 07:11.06 | dondelelcaro | streuner: not without parsing the sql, no... |
| 07:11.11 | bob2 | freewoody: you're being far tooo vague |
| 07:11.33 | jla | supaman running logrotate 3 times in one day will not rotate the logs more than once if they are configured to rotate daily. You must use the command directly and tell it to force rotation |
| 07:11.34 | jm_ | user_: vmware gives you more options, but I suppose it depends on your definition of better. space depends on the amount of software you will install for it and how much data you want to allocate for it. you need a special kernel |
| 07:11.36 | Stereo | bob2: it's smtp and imap |
| 07:11.41 | bob2 | freewoody: and I've told you before, pick ONE channel |
| 07:11.42 | freewoody | Well I want PostFix to send mails from my IP Address |
| 07:11.50 | karsten | supaman: Well, you can compress files. You can delete them entirely. You can tune stuff in logrotate. |
| 07:11.51 | freewoody | Ok bob2 |
| 07:11.57 | karsten | supaman: How much space on root filesystem? |
| 07:11.57 | peterS | Stereo: try 'apt-cache search traffic shaping' - it has a couple of promising hits like wondershaper and shaper |
| 07:11.57 | Stereo | peterS: yeah. would you know where I could read up on it? |
| 07:12.06 | supaman | karsten: 0 space |
| 07:12.06 | karsten | supaman: If /var is there, 2-3 GB minimum recommended. |
| 07:12.08 | freewoody | So I want PostFix to be: smtp.freewoody.com |
| 07:12.14 | yoo | Hi everybody ! |
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| 07:12.14 | Stereo | wondershaper is really for outgoing traffic; I'll look at shaper |
| 07:12.16 | karsten | supaman: allocated, not free. |
| 07:12.25 | karsten | supaman: If /usr is there too, 4-6 GB recommended. |
| 07:12.30 | supaman | /dev/hda8 3225252 3225252 0 100% / |
| 07:12.34 | ircdevil | freewoody: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 07:12.38 | bob2 | freewoody: you're being too vague |
| 07:12.42 | bob2 | freewoody: what does "be" mean? |
| 07:12.47 | peterS | Stereo: it's not really logical to limit *incoming* bandwidth. you can't anyway, the remote end can send whatever it likes. the best you can do it tell the TCP/IP stack to hint the remote end to slow down |
| 07:13.00 | freewoody | Well I want PostFix to be my SMTP Server for my local LAN |
| 07:13.01 | supaman | karsten: /usr is there allso, just havnt given myself time to move that one to a different partition |
| 07:13.18 | freewoody | If user's want to send mails, they can put my IP Address in the: smtp box |
| 07:13.18 | bob2 | freewoody: ok then |
| 07:13.22 | user_ | jm_ but do i have to boot with their kernel or it is just a matter of simple patch and i can use my machine as before? |
| 07:13.35 | bob2 | freewoody: sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 07:13.45 | bob2 | freewoody: tell it to allow relaying from your subnet, whatever that may be |
| 07:13.47 | torc | where should i specify iptables entries in sarge? |
| 07:13.53 | Stereo | peterS: yeah, that would make sense for smtp. For imap, I can just throttle the outgoing bandwidth. |
| 07:13.59 | bob2 | torc: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 07:14.04 | torc | bob2: thanks. |
| 07:14.10 | user_ | torc! |
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| 07:14.29 | jm_ | user_: you don't boot it, you run it in existing Linux environment |
| 07:14.44 | freewoody | Should I chose "Internet Site" |
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| 07:15.28 | user_ | jm_ oh, neat.. do they have emulation for *bsd and other distros besides debian? |
| 07:15.43 | freewoody | bob2, I have real IPs to use |
| 07:15.54 | freewoody | Can I put that in the Subnet |
| 07:16.01 | bob2 | freewoody: ok |
| 07:16.11 | bob2 | freewoody: don't take this the wrong way, but you seem kinda out of your depth |
| 07:16.22 | freewoody | Well I am just a learner |
| 07:16.23 | bob2 | freewoody: so, you need to explain in detail *what* you want to have happen |
| 07:16.30 | bob2 | I know, it's not an insult |
| 07:16.38 | TwistedEmotions | Cups recognizes my printer... But XFPrint doesnt work... it's currecntly aimed at /home/ash/print.ps... is that wrong ? anyone know where its suppose to actually be? |
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| 07:16.46 | freewoody | Well I just want to setup a SMTP Server in my local LAN |
| 07:16.46 | TwistedEmotions | *currently |
| 07:16.53 | freewoody | We are using real IP Addresses |
| 07:17.55 | karsten | user_: I've played with UML a tad. |
| 07:17.57 | jm_ | user_: I haven't heard of that |
| 07:18.09 | freewoody | box2, I can't still send mails from the machine using PostFix |
| 07:18.53 | freewoody | bob2, are you still there |
| 07:19.24 | karsten | user_: UML is linux-in-userspace. It *is* the kernel. The package size is about 1 MB. Your real space killer are your boot images, at ~40 MB and up. |
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| 07:19.33 | bob2 | freewoody: you're being too vague |
| 07:19.37 | jla | freewoody so this mail server, will it accept and send internet email directly? |
| 07:19.42 | bob2 | freewoody: have you looked at your logs yet? |
| 07:19.44 | bob2 | what do they say? |
| 07:19.47 | bob2 | !+unix lessons |
| 07:19.47 | yoo | i just install ssh on my PC but i can't join my firewall |
| 07:19.48 | dpkg | hmm... unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 07:19.57 | karsten | user_: VMWare is x86 HW virtualization. UML lets you run Linux, VMWare lets you run pretty much any x86-capable OS (some better than others). |
| 07:19.58 | freewoody | Where can I find PostFix logs |
| 07:19.59 | yoo | Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? |
| 07:19.59 | yoo | Host key verification failed. |
| 07:20.08 | yoo | what the problem ? |
| 07:20.08 | bob2 | freewoody: /var/log/mail.log |
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| 07:20.20 | bob2 | yoo: the key on the remote machine has changed |
| 07:20.22 | eXoDuS | what is the Contents file in a repository for? is it needed at all? |
| 07:20.32 | bob2 | yoo: which could mean someone reinstalled ssh or someone is trying to hijack your connection |
| 07:20.37 | karsten | user_: and it's user-mode _Linux_. Not usermode BSD. You can install whatever toolset you want, but the kernel is Linux. |
| 07:20.41 | bob2 | eXoDuS: it tells you in which package files are |
| 07:20.45 | bob2 | eXoDuS: it's not neccessary |
| 07:20.50 | bob2 | (but it is handy) |
| 07:20.50 | eXoDuS | ah, it's a reference |
| 07:20.54 | eXoDuS | to quickly find a package then? |
| 07:21.00 | karsten | yoo: Take a wild guess. |
| 07:21.12 | bob2 | well, it's so you can use apt-file to find out where a file is |
| 07:21.41 | eXoDuS | ah ok cool |
| 07:21.58 | eXoDuS | another question, is there a way to generate the Release file too? (the main tree one, which includes the md5 keys) |
| 07:22.06 | user_ | karsten so, if i want to use my computer after wards as regular working machine, i'll have to reboot? |
| 07:22.13 | bob2 | eXoDuS: sure, apt-ftparchive does it for you |
| 07:22.29 | eXoDuS | mmm, it only did the Packages file |
| 07:22.30 | karsten | What country is CX? |
| 07:22.36 | bob2 | you didn't read the help then ;) |
| 07:22.38 | karsten | user_: No. |
| 07:22.39 | jla | christmas island? |
| 07:22.40 | bob2 | karsten: technically australia |
| 07:22.42 | Stereo | christmas island, karsten |
| 07:22.47 | karsten | user_: UML is a *process*. It runs *as a process*. |
| 07:22.49 | eXoDuS | bob2: hehe, ill do that, thanks a lot |
| 07:22.52 | bob2 | karsten: it's christmas island's TLD, but they're like a protectorate |
| 07:23.05 | karsten | bob2: Dig. |
| 07:23.06 | user_ | karsten okay. so what is hte deal with the kernel then? |
| 07:23.14 | Ry12 | how do u add a command to the rc |
| 07:23.17 | karsten | bob2: Sort of like your Iraq? ;-) |
| 07:23.36 | bob2 | karsten: well, we do refuse to allow refugess in there |
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| 07:23.54 | karsten | user_: You're the guy I was talking to earlier? |
| 07:23.58 | ghais | hi, how can i increase the number of tty s |
| 07:24.10 | bob2 | Ry12: what's "the rc"? |
| 07:24.15 | bob2 | is it like "the oc"? |
| 07:24.21 | eXoDuS | bob2: oh i have another question, sorry to be a pain, but are both the Packages and Packages.gz needed? |
| 07:24.25 | jm_ | ghais: edit inittab |
| 07:24.32 | eXoDuS | bob2: is there any reason to keep the ungzipped one? |
| 07:24.38 | bob2 | eXoDuS: some things care about the ungiziped one |
| 07:24.40 | bob2 | I forget what |
| 07:24.42 | user_ | karsten yes |
| 07:24.42 | bob2 | maybe d-i |
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| 07:24.46 | karsten | user_: UML installs a binary 'linux' which runs as a user-space application. To your system, it's another process. Internally, it's another Linux instance. |
| 07:25.06 | eXoDuS | bob2: ah ok, i'll be safe and keep both then ;) |
| 07:25.08 | eXoDuS | bob2: thanks again |
| 07:25.09 | karsten | user_: There's no "how do I use my computer afterwards" You can access both, at the same time. |
| 07:25.22 | ghais | jm_: what should i add? |
| 07:25.23 | Ry12 | its the boot sequence |
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| 07:25.36 | bob2 | Ry12: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 07:25.40 | user_ | karsten oh, okay now it makes sence :) |
| 07:25.40 | karsten | user_: If you fire up UML in X, and it's successful, you get your initial instance in the terminal it started in, plus (usually) six additional terminals for the virtual consoles. |
| 07:25.48 | karsten | user_: It's just another application. |
| 07:25.48 | bob2 | where in the world is caramel sandiego? |
| 07:25.54 | karsten | user_: I demoed that earlier. |
| 07:26.00 | karsten | bob2: s/el/en/ |
| 07:26.11 | ghais | jm_: is it getty line? |
| 07:26.16 | bob2 | karsten: /lastlog caramel, fool! |
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| 07:26.26 | Caramel | hey guys, for some reason my eth1 (local LAN) is not working. I can get a dhclient offer from the router, and I can do /etc/init.d/./networking restart fine, but I cannot ping, surf th net and so on. any suggestions ? |
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| 07:26.42 | jla | supaman get it cleaned out? |
| 07:26.48 | Ry12 | so do i need to get rc.local to just add a script to startup |
| 07:27.00 | bob2 | Ry12: no, you need to ask your actual question |
| 07:27.15 | bob2 | Ry12: are you trying to say "How do I add a script to the default runlevel?"? |
| 07:27.15 | supaman | jla: well, logrotate wont do it for me so I have to do it manually |
| 07:27.22 | Ry12 | yep |
| 07:27.24 | karsten | bob2: Apparently somewhere in Beaverland. |
| 07:27.33 | supaman | jla: even tried the logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf .. |
| 07:27.35 | jm_ | ghais: add more of them |
| 07:27.41 | bob2 | Ry12: then put it in /etc/init.d/ and use update-rc.d to install it |
| 07:27.41 | torc | ah, so iptables scripts are not there by default? i need some kind of a addtional package, right? which one would you recommend? |
| 07:27.42 | karsten | Ry12: less /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 07:27.55 | Ry12 | k thx |
| 07:27.57 | bob2 | torc: shorewall is nice |
| 07:28.00 | karsten | torc: shorewall |
| 07:28.08 | jla | supaman maybe not enough space :( rm -i /var/log/*.0 :) |
| 07:28.14 | torc | ok, sure. thanks :) |
| 07:28.19 | ghais | jm_: thx |
| 07:28.49 | user_ | karsten the UML is in the packages? any specific mirror? |
| 07:28.52 | supaman | jla: well, I moved one of the files to my homepartition so now tehre is about 200MB free on the / partition .. but a good suggestion anyways :-) |
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| 07:29.25 | bykte | Anyone here ever configured a VPN before? |
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| 07:29.32 | jla | supaman np. I bet you don't care to really see 'read seek reset error' whatever about all the scratches from yesterday anyway |
| 07:29.36 | ali4728 | Newbie Needs Help! I have a (LinuxApacheMysqlPhp) web server on my comp/ubuntu, I want to send email [mail()] by somepage.php but default confs doesnt seem to work! Any help? |
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| 07:29.55 | glick | has anyone here used smoothwall express? |
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| 07:30.41 | supaman | jla: yeh ... but what baffeled me about those was that the same cd's got read really well in my friends computer ... beginning to think my toshiba dvd-rom drive isnt so hot after all (its an old one, could be a lot of things wrong with it) |
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| 07:31.04 | jla | could be |
| 07:31.10 | streuner | ali4728: why do you ask here and not in #ubuntu? |
| 07:31.45 | Caramel | hey guys, for some reason my eth1 (local LAN) is not working. I can get a dhclient offer from the router, and I can do /etc/init.d/./networking restart fine, but I cannot ping, surf th net and so on. any suggestions ? |
| 07:31.52 | ali4728 | oh great suggestion thnx |
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| 07:32.19 | jbmigel | pffft... like bob2 will answer you anyway |
| 07:32.32 | supaman | Caramel: did you try to ping IP numbers or names like www.something.com? |
| 07:32.35 | bob2 | jbmigel: what? |
| 07:32.46 | Ry12 | will i have to reinstall the official sarge when it comes out if i install sarge testing branch |
| 07:32.53 | supaman | Caramel: wondering if it is a DNS problem or not |
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| 07:33.07 | jbmigel | bob2 streuner told ali to go ask in #ubuntu, i see you there all the time |
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| 07:33.09 | liable | Ry12: no, of course not |
| 07:33.10 | Caramel | supaman: ping does not work |
| 07:33.47 | liable | Caramel: just started, or new install, other computers work? |
| 07:34.03 | Caramel | liable: just started |
| 07:34.09 | Caramel | yes other puters work |
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| 07:34.25 | streuner | jbmigel: bob2 doesn't waste any time to say how good ubuntu is, so he can answer those questions there... ;-) |
| 07:34.27 | bob2 | what's changed since it last worked? |
| 07:34.27 | liable | Caramel: after an update? sid/sarge/woody |
| 07:34.46 | Caramel | liable: hmm not that I know of . |
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| 07:34.51 | jla | Carmel does ip addr show or ifconfig show it has the right address? |
| 07:34.52 | bob2 | also, liable gets my Awesome Debugging Skillz award of the day |
| 07:35.08 | Caramel | liable: I switch a lot between wireless and LAN though. I edit interfaces files as needed |
| 07:35.17 | Caramel | jla: yup |
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| 07:35.27 | bob2 | Caramel: are you sure your /etc/network/interfaces is correct? |
| 07:35.35 | Caramel | bob2: ya |
| 07:35.36 | jla | Caramel firewall? |
| 07:35.55 | Caramel | jla: have not changed any settings as far as that |
| 07:36.08 | glick | hey does anyone here use smoothwall express? |
| 07:36.15 | liable | bob2: not sure if thats an insult, but I will happily hang that award on the back of my toilet door. :) |
| 07:36.17 | jla | Caramel tried turning it off for a minute? |
| 07:36.18 | aph | Is there a way I can get my computer to shut down (sleep/hibernate) at a certain time and then wake up at a set time? |
| 07:36.39 | bob2 | glick: #smoothwall |
| 07:36.46 | bob2 | liable: oh, no, I was serious :) |
| 07:37.01 | aph | I'm guess I can schedule the sleep part with at, but can I set it to wake up at a set time? |
| 07:37.01 | bob2 | liable: most people just randomly guess things instead of actually trying to narrow it down :) |
| 07:37.07 | Caramel | jla: you mean the machine ? |
| 07:37.13 | bob2 | aph: your bios might support it |
| 07:37.13 | aph | s/guess/guessing/ |
| 07:37.22 | karsten | aph: Sleep's easy. Wake is a bit more interesting. |
| 07:37.33 | karsten | aph: cron. Maybe a wake-on-lan if you've got it. |
| 07:37.41 | jla | Carmel no :) the firewall rules, in case any were interface based and your interfaces switched due to your editing or whatever. |
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| 07:38.16 | aph | I have wake-on-lan but I don't want to use another computer to signal it, I just want there to be a timer running or something that will wake it by itself. |
| 07:38.20 | karsten | user_: Any mirror. It's Just Another Goddamned Package. |
| 07:38.41 | karsten | aph: Not bloody likely. |
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| 07:38.44 | caphuso | aph: it's a bit hard to run a timer when the CPU is in deep sleep |
| 07:38.47 | Atula | hi |
| 07:38.48 | karsten | aph: Not without specific support in your BIOS for it. |
| 07:38.59 | Atula | I'm trying to play a .wmv file wiht mplayer |
| 07:38.59 | karsten | aph: Your CPU is as caphuso mentioned, asleep. |
| 07:39.01 | Caramel | jla: how ? |
| 07:39.08 | aph | I see, so it's not common? |
| 07:39.14 | user_ | karsten aptittue serach uml yelds uml-utilites, but no uml itself |
| 07:39.17 | Atula | but it says its missing the wmvdmod.dll so only sound comes out |
| 07:39.24 | jla | Caramel how did you set the rules? shorewall, save/restore script? |
| 07:39.25 | Atula | is there a way to fix this? |
| 07:39.39 | Caramel | jla: I have not set up any |
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| 07:39.40 | karsten | aph: Alternatively, you can get a wind-up alarm clock, a lever, and a rod, and set your laptop in front of it so the rod hits your power switch at a set time each day. |
| 07:39.43 | Atula | I want to see this file.... it's a porn clip of someone from my school.... ain't that important? |
| 07:39.54 | karsten | user_: apt-cache search UML |
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| 07:40.07 | karsten | !tell user_ about search |
| 07:40.10 | jla | Caramel ahh, so 'have not changed my settings' means never set up a firewall. K. |
| 07:40.18 | Atula | anyone wanna help? |
| 07:40.25 | Atula | great cause |
| 07:40.26 | karsten | bob2: Was that random string you threw at me earlier anything specific? |
| 07:40.36 | Caramel | jla: yup:) |
| 07:40.37 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 07:40.37 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 07:40.46 | aph | hah |
| 07:40.48 | karsten | bob2: 00:08 < bob2> karsten: b25seSBzb21lIG9mIGl0Cg== |
| 07:41.15 | bob2 | karsten: base64 |
| 07:41.17 | Atula | can someone help me? I'm trying to play a wmv file |
| 07:41.18 | Atula | thanks |
| 07:41.20 | caphuso | bob2 stole my password! |
| 07:41.21 | Atula | !someone |
| 07:41.21 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 07:41.21 | jla | caramel dmesg showing any wierd errors at the end about your NIC? |
| 07:41.22 | user_ | karsten i thouhg you adviced not to use apt- if i swithced to aptitude, and thank you i know how to use search.. but i'm saying the aptitude serach gives only: uml-utilities and pbuilder-uml |
| 07:41.25 | karsten | !tell Atula about marillat |
| 07:41.35 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:41.35 | Atula | karsten, I have mplayer thank you |
| 07:41.36 | karsten | bob2: How would I decode that? |
| 07:41.47 | karsten | user_: apt-cache != apt-get |
| 07:41.48 | bob2 | karsten: echo blah | base64-decode |
| 07:41.52 | Gumby | I'm searching apt-gets manpage as to how to force a package to install but I cant seem to find anything. Did I miss something somwhere? |
| 07:41.54 | karsten | Atula: Win32 codecs. |
| 07:42.01 | Atula | oh |
| 07:42.20 | karsten | Gumby: Very likely. |
| 07:42.28 | Caramel | jla: checked that already, nothing seams wrong, interface b44: eth1: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex, hence I can get an IP from the router. |
| 07:42.33 | jla | Reguarding wol, I'd like to be able to take a system that has "shutdown" (but no apm support) and make it boot back up. |
| 07:42.35 | Ry12 | update-rc.d [-n] <basename>. what is basename? |
| 07:42.39 | karsten | bob2: That wouldn't happen to be something in /usr/local/bin? |
| 07:42.45 | Caramel | I just cannot ping, or do an nslookup and therefore cannot use the internet |
| 07:42.46 | user_ | karsten but it belongs to apt utilities, right? so now you got me confussed first you say do not use apt-* if you use aptitude, and now ... |
| 07:42.51 | jla | Caramel can other machines ping it? |
| 07:42.55 | bob2 | karsten: no |
| 07:42.59 | bob2 | !+find base64-decode |
| 07:43.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'base64-decode' (3): (/usr/bin/base64-decode) in utils/mime-codecs ;; (/usr/share/doc/phpdoc/html/{function.base64-decode.html|function.cybercash-base64-decode.html}) in doc/phpdoc ;; (/usr/share/doc/php3-doc/html/{function.base64-decode.html|function.cybercash-base64-decode.html}) in doc/php3-doc. |
| 07:43.09 | karsten | user_: 'apt-get' is what 'aptitude' deprecates. |
| 07:43.22 | karsten | user_: 'apt-cache', 'apt-file' are *not* 'apt-get'. Use 'em. |
| 07:43.31 | karsten | user_: If you're installing stuff, use aptitude. |
| 07:43.43 | karsten | bob2: mime-codecs? |
| 07:43.47 | dondelelcaro | hell, who needs base64-decode? Just perl -e 'print unpack(q(u*),q(foostring))' |
| 07:43.50 | holycow | http://mp3content02.bcst.yahoo.com/b02r01/006/yahoomovies/10/14983815.mov?StreamID=14983815&b=eh2eh8t16us054281b6b9&ru=moviesRUPERIODyahooRUPERIODcom&CG_ID=1358213 <-- do movie | open location on that in totem-xine (need w32codecs as well) |
| 07:43.51 | holycow | :) |
| 07:43.52 | bob2 | karsten: I guess so |
| 07:43.55 | holycow | holy moly thats hot |
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| 07:44.25 | Caramel | jla: nope, Request timed out |
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| 07:44.31 | holycow | dondelelcaro, ... would that work in totem? |
| 07:44.35 | holycow | *hmmm* neat perhaps |
| 07:44.39 | user_ | karsten okay, sorry about that, i misunderstood you. |
| 07:44.51 | karsten | dondelelcaro: My perl-fu is weak. |
| 07:45.13 | jla | Caramel ok, routing. does ip route show look right? |
| 07:46.10 | Caramel | jla: hmm not sure, but does not look right |
| 07:46.36 | liable | Caramel: tried just ifconfigging it down and ifconfigging it up again? |
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| 07:47.19 | Caramel | route has entries from the wifi card, which I dont need now |
| 07:47.40 | jla | Caramel paste (http://channels.debian.net/paste) ip route show & include what your systems ip address is and what your network address is. |
| 07:47.59 | Caramel | jla, cannot remember, its a different machien |
| 07:48.13 | Caramel | liable: yup, just tied that |
| 07:48.16 | jla | you're not near the machine with trouble? |
| 07:48.26 | Caramel | jla, ya I am |
| 07:48.27 | liable | Caramel: ifup, or ifconfig? |
| 07:48.46 | Caramel | liable: yup |
| 07:49.22 | karsten | bob2: WRT b64 encoded: WW91IGRpc2FwcG9pbnQgbWUK |
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| 07:49.43 | jla | Caramel, at least, what is it's ip address, default via and your network (eg 192.168.0.0/24) |
| 07:49.45 | peterS | that doesn't look base64 encoded to me |
| 07:50.06 | peterS | well, hmmm, I should check my notes on that, maybe it is |
| 07:50.06 | bob2 | karsten: V291bGQgeW91IHByZWZlciB0byBiZSBhcHBvaW50ZWQ/Cg== |
| 07:50.07 | user_ | where does aptitude keep the logs of what files where installed with the package? |
| 07:50.10 | bob2 | peterS: it is |
| 07:50.10 | supaman | <offtopic> uhhh ... when nmap gives the following messages "Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -P0" could it be because the machine is behind a firewall (Im doing this to my own machine btw from a machine I have access to in another country)? |
| 07:50.12 | Caramel | jla: 192.168.1.23, obtained from DHCP |
| 07:50.17 | peterS | user_: /var/log/aptitude |
| 07:50.21 | karsten | user_: /var/log/apache/ |
| 07:50.26 | karsten | user_: /var/log/aptitude |
| 07:51.02 | Caramel | jla: is there a way to "flush" the route ? |
| 07:51.03 | karsten | bob2: QnkgcHJlZmVyZW5jZSwgYW5ub2ludGVkLgo= |
| 07:51.03 | user_ | well, that is waht package it installed, but not what new files that came with the package |
| 07:51.05 | jla | Caramel is your netmask 255.255.255.0 (most likely) and network 192.168.1.0 and broadcast 192.168.1.255? |
| 07:51.19 | peterS | now *that* looks base64-encoded |
| 07:51.22 | Caramel | jla: GenMask is 0.0.0.0 |
| 07:51.26 | jla | Caramel yes, have the right settings in /etc/network/interfaces and down/up the route. |
| 07:51.31 | cafuego | U2hlZXNoLCBob3cgY2hpbGRpc2ghCg== |
| 07:51.40 | bykte | http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Linux_Networking/Q_21420076.html <- Any help would be greatful. |
| 07:51.45 | jla | Caramel you can also route del |
| 07:51.48 | user_ | peters, well, that is what package it installed, but not what new files that came with the package |
| 07:51.49 | bob2 | karsten: V2l0aCBsb3Rpb24/Cg== |
| 07:52.05 | Caramel | jla: coz I have an entry for the wifi card I dont need now |
| 07:52.36 | jla | Caramel what does route show list for default via |
| 07:52.51 | karsten | bob2: WWFrIGJ1dHRlciwgZHVkZSEK |
| 07:53.11 | Matt0 | looks like one of my root passwords |
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| 07:53.19 | Caramel | jla: default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 07:53.32 | liable | Caramel: wifi card still up? |
| 07:53.34 | karsten | cafuego: QWN0dWFsbHksIEkgdGhpbmsgSSBqdXN0IGZvdW5kIG91dCBob3cgdG8gdmlldyBhIHRvbiBv |
| 07:53.40 | karsten | ZiBzcGFtIGZvciBhbmFseXNpcwo= |
| 07:53.56 | Caramel | liable: nope braught it down, but an entry in route is still there for some reason |
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| 07:54.11 | bob2 | karsten: haahaha |
| 07:54.41 | jla | Caramel should be more like "default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth1" |
| 07:54.43 | cafuego | karsten: QW5kIGhvdywgcHJheSB0ZWxsLCBoYWQgeW91IHBsYW5uZWQgb24gZG9pbmcgdGhhdD8= |
| 07:54.53 | jla | Caramel ifdown all interfaces, ifup the dhcp NIC |
| 07:55.03 | karsten | bob2: bob2 ZjMzciBtYC8gNXA0bSEgNHJjMXYzCg== |
| 07:55.05 | jla | Caramel check route (ip route show) after downing them all |
| 07:55.28 | bob2 | lordy |
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| 07:55.57 | karsten | cafuego: V2VsbCwgSSB3YXNuJ3QsIGp1c3QgZ2V0IGEgbG90IG9mIGJhc2U2NC1lbmNvZGVkIGNydWQK |
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| 07:56.03 | liable | is just me that doesnt understand you guys? |
| 07:56.09 | WorkerII | liable: Yes. |
| 07:56.19 | liable | bah :( |
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| 07:56.22 | WorkerII | liable: That sounds liable. |
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| 07:56.40 | WorkerII | liable: I am just guessing though, I only arrived just now. |
| 07:56.42 | karsten | cafuego: L21lIGhhbmRzIGNhZnVlZ28gYSBoYW5reQo= |
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| 07:56.50 | cafuego | karsten: U3VyZWx5IHRoZXJlIGlzIGFuIGlyc3NpcyBjcmlwdCB0aGF0IHdvdWxkIGRvIHRoaXMgc29ydCBvZiB0aGluZyB0YXJuc3BhcmVudGx5IGFueXdheQ== |
| 07:56.51 | TwistedEmotions | Hey guys what is SWAP? |
| 07:56.51 | WorkerII | s/just/merely/ |
| 07:56.51 | liable | WorkerII: ^^ |
| 07:56.52 | Caramel | jla: same thing :( |
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| 07:57.08 | jla | Caramel what were your routes when you did ifdown on them all? |
| 07:57.08 | TwistedEmotions | It's on my performance thing... next to Ram and CPU.. |
| 07:57.10 | ircdevil | !swap |
| 07:57.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, swap is See 2.4.x swap |
| 07:57.11 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: VM. |
| 07:57.22 | user_ | so, UML requeres, a special partition? |
| 07:57.22 | ircdevil | !2.4.x swap |
| 07:57.23 | dpkg | it has been said that 2.4.x swap is on kernel 2.4 your effective total virtual memory will be max(swap,RAM) instead of the sum swap+RAM like in kernel 2.2. So temporarily, the old "use twice your RAM size for swap" makes some sense. Not using swap at all still makes sense too if you've got enough RAM for your needs. See http://boudicca.tux.org/hypermail/linux-kernel/2001week11/0495.html and 0534.html, or it's now fixed with 2.4.10+ |
| 07:57.28 | Caramel | jla: cannot recall man |
| 07:57.29 | cafuego | Enough with the shite |
| 07:57.43 | jla | Caramel it should be easy to recal because they should have been empty |
| 07:57.44 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Errr... linux has that...? |
| 07:57.46 | WorkerII | cafuego: Is that symmetric encryption? |
| 07:57.49 | jla | Caramel what is eth0? |
| 07:57.58 | Ry12 | would booting up be quicker if i disabled hotplug and copy all the modules lsmod says im using to modules.conf |
| 07:58.06 | jla | Caramel try static config |
| 07:58.06 | karsten | VW5kb3VidGVkbHkK |
| 07:58.08 | Caramel | jla: eth0 is the wireless |
| 07:58.12 | Caramel | jla: eth1 is the LAN |
| 07:58.13 | WorkerII | cafuego: Or just rot13 or something? |
| 07:58.18 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: VM == virtual memory == swap. |
| 07:58.20 | TwistedEmotions | VM is gay ;) Weeeeeeee.. |
| 07:58.24 | cafuego | WorkerII: base64 (uuencode) |
| 07:58.24 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: It's ram-on-disk, basically. |
| 07:58.31 | jla | Caramel down them again and check 'ip route show' |
| 07:58.33 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: was kidding ;) I know.. |
| 07:58.41 | cafuego | WorkerII: "a great way to make ascii files bigger" |
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| 07:59.07 | caphuso | karsten: VM == ram + swap |
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| 07:59.38 | karsten | caphuso: In Linux, yes. More generally, "virtual memory" tends to refer to the virtual part. |
| 07:59.41 | TwistedEmotions | Im using 103MB of RAM with a GUI and everything... how the hell does anyone ever need swap in linux? Games? |
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| 08:00.00 | liable | TwistedEmotions: kde :) |
| 08:00.10 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Galeon. |
| 08:00.10 | jla | Caramel http://channels.debian.net/paste/117 |
| 08:00.14 | caphuso | TwistedEmotions: i prefer to use my RAM as disk cache, not as a pace for storing useless |
| 08:00.17 | cozwei | how can i get to work the fisch-protocol in bash? |
| 08:00.17 | caphuso | data |
| 08:00.19 | Caramel | jla: 'ip route show' as 192.... route show ? |
| 08:00.27 | pfortuny | hi, my postfix smtp server hangs... "helo mysite.com" -> 250 mysite.com mail from: myadress@mysite.com and NO answer... |
| 08:00.35 | caphuso | cozwei: that's a bit ambitious, isn't it? |
| 08:00.38 | TwistedEmotions | liable: I'm using xfce.. figure wouldnt use that much more.. |
| 08:00.50 | ircdevil | pfortuny: ping servers |
| 08:00.56 | pfortuny | they are up |
| 08:01.06 | pfortuny | it is "my" server, I mean. I'm working on it |
| 08:01.11 | jla | Caramel 'ip route show' with all interfaces down should show no routes. |
| 08:01.13 | Caramel | jla: on my interfaces, its set to dhcp |
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| 08:01.21 | caphuso | cozwei: but start with adding proper TCP/IP support to bash. after that, link it against gnutls. then you can implement the fish protocol in bash |
| 08:01.27 | TwistedEmotions | caphuse: U mean ram disk? |
| 08:01.28 | jla | Caramel I realize that. Comment it out and try static for a minutes |
| 08:01.35 | pfortuny | ircdevil, it simply stops answering |
| 08:01.37 | bob2 | haha |
| 08:01.42 | Caramel | jla: ok route shows nothing now |
| 08:01.45 | bob2 | caphuso: bash has tcp/ip support to some extent |
| 08:01.47 | caphuso | cozwei: shouldn't be a lot of work. maybe a week or two, if you know what you are doing |
| 08:01.50 | caphuso | bob2: "proper" |
| 08:01.51 | peterS | WW91IGRpc2FwcG9pbnQgbWUK |
| 08:01.52 | jla | Caramel good. What did you do? |
| 08:01.54 | cozwei | caphupso: ?? |
| 08:01.54 | peterS | oy |
| 08:02.03 | ericb | whats the most lightweight video player for linux, cause xine isn't playing well on my old old debian box |
| 08:02.09 | cozwei | caphupso: i thought it would be part of ssh |
| 08:02.16 | Caramel | jla: ifdown all interfaces |
| 08:02.21 | caphuso | cozwei: "ssh"? i thought you wanted to use bash? |
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| 08:02.32 | jla | Caramel were there more than eth0 and eth1? |
| 08:02.35 | Caramel | and jst typed route which is empty |
| 08:02.58 | cozwei | caphupso: i want to use the kiosk-admin-tool, which uses the fisch-protocol. and i thought i can use the protocol in bash also |
| 08:02.58 | Caramel | jla, well there is this eth2, I think its firewire, but its not on route |
| 08:03.10 | caphuso | cozwei: it's CAPHUSO |
| 08:03.28 | cozwei | caphuso: sorry :-) |
| 08:03.40 | caphuso | cozwei: and again, i already told you what you need to do if you wanted to use the fish protocol in bash |
| 08:03.49 | jla | Caramel correction on that config I pasted: address 192.168.1.<some unused ip, 23 or 200 or whatever> |
| 08:04.04 | caphuso | cozwei: so, now it could be considered a Good Thing if you rephrased your question so that it makes an actual sense |
| 08:04.15 | WorkerII | cafuego: I am unable to decrypt it though. |
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| 08:04.29 | Caramel | jla: ya I figured :_) |
| 08:04.46 | jla | K :) |
| 08:04.48 | WorkerII | Anyhow, I have a question, that I already forgot ... (trying to remember). |
| 08:04.52 | cafuego | WorkerII: Well, I doubt you'll ever get around to improving gnupg then ;-) |
| 08:04.52 | john | anybody know why apt-get update might be stalling @ 90% or so. |
| 08:04.53 | john | >? |
| 08:04.54 | john | ? |
| 08:05.19 | liable | john: marillat? |
| 08:05.19 | jla | Caramel then don't do a network restart, just ifup eth1 |
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| 08:05.43 | jbmigel | john ya i cant connect to marillat either |
| 08:05.46 | cozwei | okay, let's try. I want, that the "kiosk-admin-tool" can make useage of the "fish-protocol". Now, if the tool trys to create a directory using the fish-protocol, it fails. |
| 08:05.47 | WorkerII | cafuego: Well . .I might be able to decrypt it given more time. But you're right about GnuPG, I am not one of the lead developers on that project, save even knowledgable of just one line of source-code. |
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| 08:05.58 | cozwei | caphuso: okay, let's try. I want, that the "kiosk-admin-tool" can make useage of the "fish-protocol". Now, if the tool trys to create a directory using the fish-protocol, it fails. |
| 08:05.58 | Caramel | jla: ok then ? |
| 08:05.59 | peterS | karsten,bob2: out of curiosity, what codec were you using for base64? I just wrote my own (a wrapper based on a codec I had sitting around, actually) just to see what you were typing. there must be something easy to use in debian already, but I don't know it |
| 08:06.04 | WorkerII | Oh yeah .. I remember now |
| 08:06.08 | jla | Caramel check routes |
| 08:06.12 | WorkerII | How is Ben Armstrong? |
| 08:06.16 | caphuso | cozwei: and why do they fail? |
| 08:06.16 | WorkerII | Who, even. |
| 08:06.26 | Caramel | jla: ok one entry |
| 08:06.30 | john | mine connects to "nerim" |
| 08:06.31 | Ry12 | how do u check what devices are alised to the loaded modules |
| 08:06.40 | torc | can i use shorewall without any zones configured, e.g. using the 'fw' zone? |
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| 08:06.46 | jla | Caramel ifdown et1 one more correction |
| 08:06.47 | bob2 | peterS: base64-{en,de}code |
| 08:06.52 | Caramel | jla: 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 08:07.01 | peterS | b3IgbWF5YmUgSSBzaG91bGQgaGF2ZSBhc2tlZCBteSBxdWVzdGlvbiB0aGlzIHdheQo= |
| 08:07.03 | WorkerII | bob2: Oh .. so its base64! |
| 08:07.05 | liable | john: yep servers palying up. |
| 08:07.11 | cozwei | caphuso: well, i thought because the fish-protocol doesn't work. can't i use it in bash. e.g. ls fish://user@localhost/ |
| 08:07.14 | WorkerII | bob2: That explains why I couldn't decrypt with uudecode :) |
| 08:07.22 | jla | Caramel that still looks wierd to me. What kernel are you using? |
| 08:07.33 | Caramel | Caramel: 2.6.11 |
| 08:07.37 | peterS | WorkerII: you can immediately see that it's not uuencoded, because it has a different character set and doesn't start with 'begin NNN filename' |
| 08:07.42 | jla | Caramel what are you typing to see the route? |
| 08:07.43 | caphuso | cozwei: no |
| 08:07.45 | bob2 | WorkerII: hah |
| 08:07.51 | Caramel | jla |
| 08:08.00 | caphuso | cozwei: you need a client for that |
| 08:08.01 | WorkerII | peterS: Well .. they could leave that part out .. and I don't know the uuencode charset that well. |
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| 08:08.04 | john | liable: Ah, okay. |
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| 08:08.22 | peterS | bob2: well, I don't have whatever package base64-* comes in, so I had to write my own (: fortunately it didn't take long |
| 08:08.26 | karsten | peterS: # aptitude install mime-codecs |
| 08:08.41 | peterS | karsten: dGhhbmtzCg== |
| 08:08.42 | jla | Caramel ? What do you type, is it "ip route show"? |
| 08:08.51 | karsten | peterS: Heh. |
| 08:08.56 | Caramel | jla: nah just route |
| 08:08.58 | jla | Caramel I forgot to have you add: gateway 192.168.1.1 to interfaces |
| 08:09.04 | bob2 | peterS: perl has base module for it, too |
| 08:09.04 | WorkerII | Surely there is an irssis cript that would do this sort of thing tarnsparently anyway |
| 08:09.11 | jla | Caramel ahhh. Thought so. Do you have ip installed? |
| 08:09.14 | WorkerII | now I decode it. |
| 08:09.20 | Caramel | jla: not really |
| 08:09.22 | cozwei | caphuso: so maybe it isn't the fish-protocol at all. but i started the kiosk-admin-tool as root. so it should't be a problem with rights |
| 08:09.41 | peterS | bob2: yeah, I'm sure it does. but I figured the quickest way forward was to use my existing codec code, which is C (: |
| 08:09.44 | jla | Caramel np, add that gateway line to the interfaces config for eth1 and ifdown/ifup it |
| 08:09.47 | jla | then try pinging |
| 08:09.51 | caphuso | cozwei: have you ever thought about how to use "ls http://www.google.com/" in bash? |
| 08:10.18 | karsten | peterS: TlAK |
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| 08:10.37 | WorkerII | karsten: NP. |
| 08:11.07 | peterS | it would be trivial to plug base64 into irssi but also hardly worth the bother.. |
| 08:11.18 | ericb | is xmms lightweight, or will it play mpg at a same quality is xine-all green picture |
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| 08:11.32 | TwistedEmotions | My grub takes like 30 FULL seconds to startup and give me OS choices.. I run a 3.0 Gighrtz +512 Ram... Anyone know how I can find out why it takes so slow? Where to look for GRUB errors? Ohh.. and I run a dual boot OS.. |
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| 08:12.10 | WorkerII | T0ssIEkgd29uZGVyIGlmIEkgY2FuIGZpbmQgQmVuIEFybXN0cm9uZyBoZXJlLCBiZWNhdXNlIGhl |
| 08:12.11 | WorkerII | IGdhdmUgYSBidWcgSSBtaWdodCBiZSBhZmZlY3RlZCBieSwgdGhlIHRhZyBzaWQuICBJIGFtIG9u |
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| 08:12.11 | WorkerII | IGJlIGEgYmlnIHByb2JsZW0gZm9yIG1lLiAgQW55IGlkZWFzPyAgSSBkb24ndCB3YW50IHRvIHVw |
| 08:12.11 | WorkerII | Z3JhZGUgYW5kIHRoZW4gaGF2ZSB0byByZXN0b3JlIG15IG1haWwgZnJvbSBhIGJhY2t1cC4u |
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| 08:12.20 | WorkerII | sorry |
| 08:12.22 | peterS | !lose WorkerII |
| 08:12.22 | dpkg | WorkerII: You Lose. |
| 08:12.23 | TwistedEmotions | What was dope.. |
| 08:12.32 | TwistedEmotions | Do it again worker ;) |
| 08:12.35 | peterS | WorkerII: dude, if you're going to use /exec -o, you need to learn some caution |
| 08:12.35 | WorkerII | I didn't know that would happen. |
| 08:12.42 | WorkerII | peterS: I didn't. |
| 08:12.48 | jla | Caramel any luck? |
| 08:12.58 | Caramel | jla: nope |
| 08:13.01 | karsten | WorkerII: L21zZyBkcGtnICNmbG9vZAo= |
| 08:13.05 | Caramel | jla: fucked up hein ? |
| 08:13.05 | cozwei | caphuso: no |
| 08:13.22 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Is it GRUB itself or your BIOS POST? |
| 08:13.27 | caphuso | cozwei: why not? because it's a silly idea? |
| 08:13.27 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know where to look for grub errors or to see what is holding up GRUB? |
| 08:13.31 | TwistedEmotions | GRUB.. |
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| 08:13.35 | TwistedEmotions | not BIOS.. |
| 08:13.53 | jla | Caramel very, show me route now, and then quickly check iptables -L. If it's not either of those, I'm boggled since the rest of your network is working. Flakey card/cable? No idea... |
| 08:14.02 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Got a devices map file? |
| 08:14.05 | WorkerII | peterS: Did my question go through? |
| 08:14.15 | peterS | WorkerII: bmV2ZXIgaGVhcmQgb2YgQmVuIEFybXN0cm9uZwo= |
| 08:14.20 | user_ | karsten so in order to run UML, i need to make some kind of kernel? and then boot with this kernel? cause i can't seem to understnad the setup process |
| 08:14.21 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: I dont know... just installed debian and started using.. |
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| 08:14.50 | cozwei | caphuso: yes :-), but i thought fish is for thigs like that. kisok-admin-tool tells me, that it cannot create "fish://user@localhost/etc/kde-profile/profile1/share/" |
| 08:14.52 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Shouldnt there be a file where Grub logs its errors? |
| 08:15.07 | Gob | hello guys! |
| 08:15.09 | blop39 | TwistedEmotions, is it an option in your menu.lst |
| 08:15.12 | Gob | i have a little problem |
| 08:15.14 | bip | TwistedEmotions, takes 30 seconds to load ? or takes 30 seconds after os list to start up ? |
| 08:15.17 | Gob | i'm beginer in debian |
| 08:15.19 | Caramel | jla: same two lines that I pasted b4 |
| 08:15.23 | WorkerII | peterS: TWF5YmUgSSBjb25mdXNlIGhpbSB3aXRoIERvbiBBcm1zdHJvbmcgLi4u |
| 08:15.28 | liable | stopit stopit stopit |
| 08:15.32 | Gob | and i istalled it but forgot the root passwd |
| 08:15.37 | caphuso | cozwei: that seems to be a kiosk problem |
| 08:15.40 | peterS | WorkerII: perhaps |
| 08:15.43 | Gob | i know that i can change that in rescue mode |
| 08:15.56 | Gob | but how bott on rescue mode ? |
| 08:16.04 | karsten | user_: No, you've _got_ the kernel, what you need is a boot image. |
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| 08:16.11 | karsten | user_: Basically, a root filesystem of some sort. |
| 08:16.20 | ericb | man xmms says that it can play mpeg by default, but when I try $xmms 1.mpg, it doesn't work |
| 08:16.21 | bip | run passwd in rescue mode go |
| 08:16.22 | WorkerII | peterS: aHR0cDovL2J1Z3MuZGViaWFuLm9yZy9jZ2ktYmluL2J1Z3JlcG9ydC5jZ2k/YnVnPTMwNzkxMiZtc2c9NFRoaXMgaXMgdGhlIFVSTDpodHRwOi8vYnVncy5kZWJpYW4ub3JnL2NnaS1iaW4vYnVncmVwb3J0LmNnaT9idWc9MzA3OTEyJm1zZz00 |
| 08:16.23 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: There isn't. |
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| 08:16.30 | TwistedEmotions | blop39: bip: it takes 30 seconds for it show me the menu... not after or waiting at the menu for 30 seconds.. |
| 08:16.31 | bip | and reset passwd gob |
| 08:16.32 | blop39 | Gob, it's depend grub or lilo i think |
| 08:16.54 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Is grub a file I can edit? |
| 08:16.56 | Gob | all that i want is to know how to start the rescue mode |
| 08:17.01 | Gob | i have grub |
| 08:17.01 | bip | gob start from rescue cd , get a shell |
| 08:17.03 | peterS | WorkerII: you pasted the URL twice (: |
| 08:17.08 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:17.10 | WorkerII | peterS: heh soory :) |
| 08:17.12 | bip | then runn passwd and reset password |
| 08:17.17 | Caramel | jla: wondering whats blocking things |
| 08:17.19 | TwistedEmotions | kk.. |
| 08:17.23 | cozwei | caphuso: so there is nothing i can do :-( ? |
| 08:17.27 | karsten | Gob: 'linux single' as your kernel line. |
| 08:17.31 | Gob | i have the netinstall CD |
| 08:17.31 | caphuso | cozwei: find the problem |
| 08:17.37 | caphuso | cozwei: then worry about the solution |
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| 08:18.10 | WorkerII | peterS: Here is it only one time: VGhpcyBpcyB0aGUgVVJMOmh0dHA6Ly9idWdzLmRlYmlhbi5vcmcvY2dpLWJpbi9idWdyZXBvcnQuY2dpP2J1Zz0zMDc5MTImbXNnPTQ= |
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| 08:18.17 | user_ | karsten, so the machine does not have to be actaully rebooted. am i correct? |
| 08:18.21 | blop39 | Gob, for grub, edit the command line add "single" this grub help to have a good line |
| 08:18.22 | bip | ok if you boot from net install cd and you boot in expert mode |
| 08:18.32 | bip | you ll see a option for gettin a shell |
| 08:18.34 | Ry12 | can i just add the output of lsmod into my modules.conf and add modprobe infront of each modules |
| 08:18.37 | peterS | WorkerII: yeah, I already looked at the url. I don't know anything about evolution |
| 08:18.47 | karsten | user_: How many times do I have to explain the concept of "user process" to you? |
| 08:18.59 | karsten | Ry12: /etc/modules is easier. |
| 08:19.04 | karsten | Ry12: ...and standard. |
| 08:19.04 | Caramel | jla: do you know xsuplicant ? |
| 08:19.05 | user_ | karsten i'm sorry i'm dumb :) |
| 08:19.05 | WorkerII | peterS: I guess the safe option would be to pin the package, right? |
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| 08:19.13 | jla | Caramel me too. I can only see one of the lines you pasted. Is the other like: default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 08:19.15 | user_ | karsten i guess that was a yes :) |
| 08:19.16 | M_Fatih | good morning.. |
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| 08:19.22 | karsten | user_: You run 'linux' with appropriate options. |
| 08:19.22 | peterS | WorkerII: or just put it on hold. dselect and aptitude both make this really easy |
| 08:19.24 | Ry12 | but is modprobe correct or do i use alias something |
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| 08:19.34 | torc | karsten: is "fw net ACCEPT; net fw ACCEPT;" shorewall policy is enough not to lose the connectivity with that host? :) |
| 08:19.39 | WorkerII | peterS: I will use dselect then. |
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| 08:19.45 | jla | Caramel no, never used it |
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| 08:20.14 | karsten | user_: I'll let you work that out for yourself. |
| 08:20.15 | Caramel | jla: ya |
| 08:20.24 | karsten | torc: NFC. |
| 08:20.26 | Gob | blob39 : what i'm exactly suposed to edit ? how can i run the rescue mode ? I have the sarge netinstall CD and the boot loader is grub |
| 08:20.48 | karsten | Gob: At boot, grub gives you an option of editing interactively. Follow the prompts. |
| 08:20.50 | jla | Caramel messed. You've got a good ip, routing is right, no firewall. I have no more ideas other than hardware wierdness. |
| 08:21.02 | tarzeau | aren't md5 salts of passwd/shadow crypted passwords 6 bytes? |
| 08:21.16 | tarzeau | between the 2nd and 3rd $? |
| 08:21.17 | Gob | yes |
| 08:21.19 | jla | Caramel but how does it get a dhcp address if it can't talk - that's what made me think it was routing |
| 08:21.20 | blop39 | Gob, when grub start you can choose with a menu |
| 08:21.25 | bip | you dont edit anything |
| 08:21.31 | Caramel | jla: guess what |
| 08:21.33 | tarzeau | Gob: to me? |
| 08:21.38 | bip | you boot from cd and reset passwd ! |
| 08:21.46 | cozwei | caphuso: i found it. i run kiosk-admin-tool as root, but it runs as some other user. si it was a problem with rights. i changed rights for others +w, now it works. how can i find out under which user the tool is running? |
| 08:21.56 | cozwei | caphuso: and which group |
| 08:21.57 | jla | Caramel something with that xsup program? |
| 08:21.58 | Caramel | jla: I rebooted, it works now. I also disabled xsupplicant, not sure if that was causing it |
| 08:22.14 | Gob | is there an option on the CD menu to reset passwd or shall i do it by hand ? lol |
| 08:22.18 | blop39 | so edit the command line of this menu with "e" key and add an option to boot in a single user .. |
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| 08:22.29 | bip | there isn a option gob |
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| 08:22.40 | Caramel | jla: AHHHH solution found. |
| 08:22.42 | caphuso | cozwei: "ps -o pid,uid,gid,cmd ax | grep cmdname", for example |
| 08:22.46 | jla | Caramel well you'll know to kill that next time. |
| 08:22.47 | jla | :) |
| 08:23.09 | bip | you need to get a shell be sure that the intalled hd is mounted then you run passd from shell |
| 08:23.27 | bip | if you can t do that yourself ... |
| 08:23.28 | Caramel | jla: when xsupplicant is started, I cannot use any network, when disabled, everything works fine, suggesting that there is something messed up in the config file for xsupplicant |
| 08:23.31 | Gob | ok i'll try it.. and i'll be back if i can't get it.. lol |
| 08:23.39 | jm_ | Gob: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 08:23.39 | Gob | thx a lot for the momment |
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| 08:24.03 | bip | kiss goobye your data, or ask somebdy to do that for you gob |
| 08:24.03 | jla | Caramel I don't know how it works. Sounds pretty invasive. Does it add routes? |
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| 08:25.08 | Caramel | jla: well sxupplicant is for LEAP authentication purposes on the wifi card |
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| 08:26.00 | jla | Caramel maybe someday I'll play with wireless ethernet. :) |
| 08:26.46 | Caramel | jla: just make sure you get a good supported card for linux |
| 08:26.53 | karsten | user_: The 'linux' manpage is reasonably good, Google shows more docs, there's also a user-mode-linux-doc package. |
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| 08:27.08 | ericb | there's no xine channel round these parts, but there's mplayer, better try mplayer then |
| 08:27.09 | karsten | user_: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/UserModeLinux-HOWTO.html |
| 08:27.22 | jla | Good point :) |
| 08:27.34 | Caramel | jla: thanks for all the help |
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| 08:28.25 | karsten | paulswm: Oi. |
| 08:28.25 | jla | Caramel np. I learned about a new thing to check. Best of luck |
| 08:28.40 | user_ | karsten thank you. i should have done that striang form beging, but was too lazy, and that is the result, next time i do something stupid like that rtfm me :) |
| 08:28.44 | Ry12 | can i add a module name to modules.conf by itself or does it need modprobe in front |
| 08:29.02 | paulswm | Morning, karsten. |
| 08:29.03 | peterS | Ry12: talking about modules.conf or /etc/modules or /etc/modprobe.d/whatever? |
| 08:29.16 | Ry12 | modules.conf |
| 08:29.18 | user_ | karsten however i still do not see why would htey wnat me to compile the kernel.. :/ |
| 08:29.28 | peterS | Ry12: don't edit modules.conf. read the top of the file, which tells you not to edit it |
| 08:29.32 | karsten | Ry12: There's a couple of other docs, one good one I remember from way back when ... |
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| 08:29.36 | tarzeau | what should the owner:group permission of /boot/grub/menu.lst be ? does root:shadow rw-r----- look fine? |
| 08:29.48 | Tonny | hi i have a question! my clients are connection to the internet by a proxy! but some application doesn't have a proxy option ! so i want with iptables for just that application port to connect directily ! |
| 08:29.51 | tarzeau | (i use a password in it md5 hash, on public machines) |
| 08:29.55 | karsten | user_: Many Linux docs are still geared around the concept of building stuff yourself. |
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| 08:30.11 | tarzeau | the default here is rw-r--r-- root:root |
| 08:30.11 | karsten | user_: It's possible, but rarely necessary. UML itself is a patch on the standard kernel. |
| 08:30.20 | Ry12 | karsten can u giv me link plz |
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| 08:30.43 | peterS | Ry12: if you haven't read the top three lines of modules.conf, I suspect you'll have a lot more problems than this |
| 08:30.45 | Caramel | is there a diff between vmware and UML ? |
| 08:31.02 | peterS | Caramel: yeah. vmware doesn't require any major kernel changes. uml is a port of the kernel itself |
| 08:31.17 | SlayerXP | Caramel: other than them doing utterly different things? no, not at all. |
| 08:31.25 | paulswm | tarzeau: minne's -rw-r--r-- 1 root root |
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| 08:31.45 | Caramel | peterS: which means ? |
| 08:31.50 | tarzeau | paulswm: you've got no password set for it. or was that lilo.conf ? |
| 08:32.07 | peterS | Caramel: ummm. as SlayerXP said, they do completely different things. |
| 08:32.16 | karsten | Ry12: Sorry, wrong nick. |
| 08:32.47 | peterS | Caramel: one emulates a whole machine, including hardware. the other emulates nothing but runs a kernel inside a kernel |
| 08:32.53 | paulswm | tarzeau: no, I haven;t. The perms are the defaults, as that's on all four of my home boxes. I'm the only user, so haven't seen a need to tighten it. |
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| 08:32.58 | karsten | user_: This is a good starter article: http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=7822/sam0304web/ |
| 08:33.04 | Ry12 | peters so i just add a script to modutils and run module-update? |
| 08:33.05 | tarzeau | paulswm: i see |
| 08:33.36 | peterS | Ry12: depends on your kernel version, and what you mean by "a script", and whether you really meant update-modules instead of module-update |
| 08:33.37 | zophyx | is there a way to either logically or chronologically determine the age of an debian installation compared to current status of the debian mirrors ? |
| 08:33.39 | tarzeau | paulswm: would be nice if it was tightenend, half of the admins won't fix the permissions after setting a password |
| 08:33.55 | peterS | Ry12: I get the distinct impression you aren't sure even what you're trying to accomplish |
| 08:34.33 | WorkerII | peterS: SnVzdCB0byBhbm5veSBhbGwgdGhvc2UgYXB0aXR1ZGUgZmFucy4gKC07 |
| 08:34.55 | user_ | karsten i cna't find the appropriate package. in apt-cache besides the utilities there is nothing else for uml... so, i suppose thati s hwy i'm having some torubles |
| 08:35.07 | peterS | WorkerII: that in itself isn't a great reason to use dselect. but if you like it, it certainly works |
| 08:35.11 | ericb | is there a vlc channel round here, vlc rules |
| 08:35.17 | Ry12 | im trying to disable hotplug and add the modules it loads startup |
| 08:35.19 | jethro | moin moin |
| 08:35.26 | karsten | user_: aptitude install user-mode-linux user-mode-linux-doc |
| 08:35.30 | zophyx | ciao |
| 08:35.38 | user_ | karsten no such package user-mode-linux |
| 08:35.46 | paulswm | Bon matin, jethro :) |
| 08:35.47 | karsten | user_: It's possible these are in woody only. |
| 08:35.55 | jethro | hi paulswm :) |
| 08:36.07 | karsten | !tell user_ about search |
| 08:36.13 | karsten | user_: Go look for 'em. |
| 08:36.15 | WorkerII | peterS: I think its fine .. I like apt, but I never understood why the critics came towards it that hard. |
| 08:36.35 | torc | karsten: shorewall does load tons of 'default' rules from the /usr/share/shorewall/, how can i disable it? |
| 08:37.04 | lindi- | user_: woody and sid only :) |
| 08:37.08 | karsten | torc: NFC. |
| 08:37.13 | karsten | torc: RTFM |
| 08:37.13 | peterS | WorkerII: aptitude was certainly influenced by dselect. it has more features and the help screen is a bit nicer. and I like the way its recursive windows work |
| 08:37.18 | torc | karsten: sorry. :) |
| 08:37.45 | user_ | karsten the site claims to be in testing and unstable |
| 08:38.00 | jla | Sometimes aptitude craps out on me and I have to run dselect before aptititude will work again. I wish whatever dselect does to fix things aptitiude would do. |
| 08:38.14 | karsten | user_: I have ultimate confidence in your ability to work this one out. |
| 08:38.21 | karsten | torc: NP |
| 08:38.24 | user_ | karsten thank you :) |
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| 08:38.49 | WorkerII | peterS: Sometimes dselect is better at resolving conflicts. |
| 08:38.50 | streuner | jethro: Bonjour |
| 08:38.57 | jethro | bonjour streuner |
| 08:39.40 | peterS | WorkerII: they do have different conflict resolution styles. not sure which I like better - depends on the situation |
| 08:39.52 | WorkerII | peterS: Exactly. |
| 08:40.18 | WorkerII | peterS: if aptitude can't solve it, try dselect. :) |
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| 08:42.01 | WorkerII | peterS: Hmm .. apparently I have a program that depends on a version of libc6, that actually isn't available for sid. |
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| 08:42.35 | gg | hi ! |
| 08:42.49 | peterS | WorkerII: get your newer libc6 from the same place you got that package, then, I guess |
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| 08:44.15 | WorkerII | peterS: I got it from sid mirror .. its probably either a bug, or the new libc6 is still linger in exp. |
| 08:44.55 | karsten | So, I'm booting UML, and it's decidedly odd.... |
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| 08:46.00 | Ry12 | grep |
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| 08:47.59 | Caramel | karsten: ok , I just got the user-mode-linux, whats next usually ? where are the docs for that thing ? |
| 08:48.35 | karsten | Caramel: /usr/share/doc/user-mode-linux/ |
| 08:48.45 | karsten | Caramel: ...or /usr/share/doc/user-mode-linux-doc/ if you have it installed. |
| 08:48.54 | karsten | Caramel: ...Speaking of which, I just found out I did ;-) |
| 08:49.11 | user_ | i dont' get it, i have neccesary mirror in the sources, but apt-cache does not find anything, and i yues i did upgrade |
| 08:49.16 | karsten | Caramel: Better: aptitude install dwww swish++ and http://localhost/dwww/ |
| 08:49.28 | Caramel | karsten: I already installed it through apt-get |
| 08:49.28 | ericb | How do you move up in a man page? |
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| 08:49.46 | karsten | ericb: Up-arrow. |
| 08:49.52 | karsten | ericb: or 'b' for back. |
| 08:49.57 | ericb | karsten, that does work for me |
| 08:49.59 | lindi- | ericb: depends on what pager you use |
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| 08:50.12 | lindi- | ericb: "more" does not support those, "less" does |
| 08:50.12 | karsten | ericb: Does or does _not_? |
| 08:50.13 | ericb | lindi, dunno |
| 08:50.19 | karsten | ericb: export PAGER=less |
| 08:50.24 | Ry12 | how do i use grep to search usiing a file as the KEywords |
| 08:50.25 | ericb | lindi-, oh |
| 08:50.35 | karsten | ericb: ...alternaqtively 'most'. |
| 08:50.43 | ericb | karsten: deos not work |
| 08:50.55 | karsten | ericb: aptitude install less |
| 08:51.26 | ericb | lindi, karsten, so if I use aptitude and install less, then when I man something it will use less by default? |
| 08:51.35 | lindi- | probably |
| 08:51.44 | ericb | lindi-: cool let me try then |
| 08:51.49 | karsten | ericb: Likely. |
| 08:51.54 | karsten | ericb: ...unless it doesn't.... |
| 08:52.33 | Caramel | karsten: did you recompile for uML? |
| 08:52.53 | user_ | i dont' get it, if i got ot hte mirrow with the browser i find the package. however apt-cache does not, wth am i doing wrong? |
| 08:53.08 | jethro | user_: apt-get update |
| 08:53.09 | Ry12 | is this a valid modutils scrupt |
| 08:53.09 | Ry12 | serial_core |
| 08:53.10 | Ry12 | ext3 |
| 08:53.10 | Ry12 | jbd |
| 08:53.10 | Ry12 | reiserfs |
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| 08:53.15 | karsten | Caramel: No. |
| 08:53.19 | user_ | jethro already did, 3 times |
| 08:53.20 | ericb | karsten, hehe, i know what you mena |
| 08:53.22 | ericb | mean |
| 08:53.25 | karsten | Caramel: Are you and user_ the same? |
| 08:53.30 | jethro | user_: pebcak then |
| 08:53.32 | Caramel | karsten: no |
| 08:53.35 | user_ | karsten nope |
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| 08:53.41 | user_ | jethro huh? |
| 08:53.43 | Caramel | karsten: why ? |
| 08:53.51 | ericb | How come I can't join the vlc channel? |
| 08:54.10 | karsten | Caramel: I'm getting confused and user_ keeps changing his nick. |
| 08:54.17 | karsten | Caramel: ...and you're both asking about uml. |
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| 08:54.54 | user_ | karsten uhm.. do i ? must be the client |
| 08:55.14 | Caramel | karsten: shit happens hehe |
| 08:55.49 | stupid_user | jethro> user_: pebcak then?! |
| 08:55.52 | karsten | stupid_user: Um. Yes. Weren't you Kooldeb or something once? |
| 08:55.58 | karsten | Caramel: That indeed it does. |
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| 08:56.03 | stupid_user | no |
| 08:56.17 | stupid_user | karsten no me != kooldeb |
| 08:56.17 | Caramel | karsten: I am kooldeb |
| 08:56.31 | Caramel | karsten: do you need some sleep by any chance :P |
| 08:56.53 | Caramel | stupid_user: lol @ ur nick |
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| 08:57.14 | karsten | Caramel: Really, if you'd keep the same nick, it would help. there's ~800 people here. |
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| 08:57.32 | stupid_user | either way, what is wrong, i can manualy download the package from a mirror, but apt-cache search does not find it. and yes, i've done update. |
| 08:57.32 | Caramel | karsten: I purposely like to change it |
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| 08:57.54 | karsten | Caramel: Frankly it's a pain in the ass |
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| 08:58.07 | Caramel | karsten: ya I know |
| 08:58.17 | Caramel | karsten: do you know amule ? |
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| 08:59.23 | ericb | perfect guys, I installed less now I can move up in man page, wicked |
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| 08:59.37 | POVaddict | ericb: less is more :) |
| 08:59.46 | ericb | POVaddict: You aint kidden |
| 08:59.47 | peterS | POVaddict: what an original joke |
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| 08:59.58 | peterS | ericb: less has a *lot* of features. learn it thoroughly and you'll be comfortable in 'vi' as well |
| 09:00.06 | ericb | Now I am looking for a better skin for vlc, gnome one is so large |
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| 09:00.26 | ericb | foreala in manilla |
| 09:00.39 | karsten | Caramel: If it's a PITA, why do you do it? |
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| 09:01.15 | Caramel | karsten: pita ? |
| 09:01.31 | karsten | !tell Caramel about pita |
| 09:01.48 | Ry12 | how do u put the output of cat to grep as the search keyword |
| 09:01.56 | Caramel | karsten: hmmrmm |
| 09:02.03 | karsten | Ry12: pipe |
| 09:02.12 | Ry12 | whats the command |
| 09:02.30 | POVaddict | Ry12: cat somefile | grep keyword |
| 09:02.44 | saintiss | what's the debian way to configure the domain-name? |
| 09:02.53 | Hackel | What's the proper way to setup a joystick these days? I haven't used one in ages. I have no js0 device in /dev or /dev/input, and creating it manually doesn't seme to help. I've loaded gameport and joydev, am I missing something? |
| 09:02.56 | POVaddict | Ry12: although you can do: grep keyword somefile |
| 09:02.59 | saintiss | hostname is in /etc/hosts, but domain-name? |
| 09:03.24 | Caramel | karsten: good night |
| 09:03.34 | aph | How come when I run aptitude it automatically select things to install that I don't want, and automatically wants to remove like 300 packages that I want to keep!? |
| 09:03.48 | Ry12 | pov doesnt work |
| 09:03.53 | Ry12 | no output |
| 09:04.00 | ircdevil | what state is NJ? |
| 09:04.11 | POVaddict | Ry12: what is the exact command line you are typing? |
| 09:04.13 | caphuso | aph: you used apt-get exclusively for too long, didn't you? |
| 09:04.17 | ircdevil | North Jerkwater? |
| 09:04.24 | streuner | ircdevil: New Jersey |
| 09:04.31 | ircdevil | k |
| 09:04.32 | karsten | Hackel: Ask your girlfriend. |
| 09:04.37 | caphuso | Ry12: grep -f filewithpattern filetogrepin |
| 09:04.39 | Ry12 | cat file | grep keyword /etc/modules.conf |
| 09:04.58 | Hackel | karsten: I don't think that would be terribly helpful. |
| 09:05.00 | aph | caphuso: Yeah, I've used dselect exclusively, I wanted to try aptitute :p |
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| 09:05.11 | asac | Hi, I want to capture my desktop as a movie ... anyone any idea howto achieve this? |
| 09:05.19 | Mage__ | hello |
| 09:05.28 | POVaddict | Ry12: you can't give grep input both from a file and a pipe |
| 09:05.37 | peterS | Hackel: what kernel version? 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 09:05.38 | Mage__ | I've a strange message with apache2 (with ldap) : |
| 09:05.39 | caphuso | aph: purge aptitude and reinstall it, that might help |
| 09:05.40 | Mage__ | apache2: /home/torsten/packages/openldap/openldap2-2.1.30/libraries/liblber/io.c:508: ber_get_next: Assertion `ber->ber_buf == ((void *)0)' failed. |
| 09:05.55 | Mage__ | seems that the lastest slapd package is broken ... ? |
| 09:06.02 | Hackel | petemc: 2.6.11, using a cmi audio card. |
| 09:06.05 | aph | caphuso: okay, I'll try it, thanks. |
| 09:06.11 | POVaddict | Ry12: which file do you want to grep for which keywords? |
| 09:06.41 | peterS | Hackel: so, what sound module have you loaded? snd-cmipci? |
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| 09:07.05 | Hackel | petemc: yes, never had a problem with sound. |
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| 09:07.44 | Ry12 | grep -f should work but i think it trys to search for every word in the file but i want it to search for each seperate word |
| 09:08.03 | christeen | does anybody knows if there are still some issues relative to using jsvc to run the tomcat daemon e.g. http://www.websina.com/bugzero/faq/exception-jsp-compile.html |
| 09:08.09 | stupid_user | Ry12 grep -e |
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| 09:08.24 | stupid_user | Ry12 and then regular expression |
| 09:08.28 | fangel | where can I find libxml2-devel ? |
| 09:08.35 | liable | mmmmmmm guinness |
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| 09:08.54 | reamtS | Does anyone know what package is 'top' in? |
| 09:08.54 | peterS | Hackel: I asked because there are two sound drivers in 2.6.11 for your chip. confirm, if you will, which one you're using |
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| 09:09.01 | peterS | reamtS: psutils |
| 09:09.13 | peterS | reamtS: I mean, procps |
| 09:09.13 | reamtS | thx =) |
| 09:09.19 | reamtS | ok |
| 09:09.36 | Ry12 | -e does nothing in grep |
| 09:09.50 | Hackel | petemc: heh, I know it's definitely snd_cmipci. |
| 09:09.50 | stupid_user | Ry12 grep -e \(word1\|word2\) file |
| 09:09.54 | peterS | Ry12: sure it does, it lets you grep for multiple things on one command line. precede each thing with -e. |
| 09:09.59 | caphuso | stupid_user: -E not -e |
| 09:10.22 | peterS | Hackel: are you loading the driver with the 'joystick_port=1' parameter? this seems to be needed to activate the joystick port |
| 09:10.23 | caphuso | -e is a stupid way of writing " -- " |
| 09:10.26 | torc | karsten: does that mean -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/118 <- that absolutely everything is allowed on INPUT? |
| 09:10.31 | IDC | what is the default DCC port in debian ? |
| 09:10.32 | Ry12 | but i want it to search for each seperate word in a file i dont want to type it all on the command line |
| 09:10.45 | stupid_user | capy -E is extended, -e is just reg exp |
| 09:10.58 | Hackel | peterS: Hmm, no I didn't see that on the alsa driver description, I'll try it. |
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| 09:11.02 | peterS | IDC: eh? I thought an irc client got to specify whatever DCC port it wanted. I think they pick them semi-randomly |
| 09:11.11 | ericb | can someone redirect me a vlc help channel here? |
| 09:11.39 | torc | karsten: aaah, sorry. forgot the -v option :) which does show its lo0 ;) |
| 09:11.42 | caphuso | Ry12: construct your pattern file properly |
| 09:11.46 | caphuso | Ry12: one pattern per line |
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| 09:11.55 | streuner | ericb: |
| 09:12.01 | streuner | ericb: #vlc? |
| 09:12.03 | stupid_user | caphuso -E is extended, -e is just reg exp |
| 09:12.05 | POVaddict | IDC: in some irc clients to dcc port range can be configured, but this is client specific |
| 09:12.09 | IDC | peterS, oh,i see |
| 09:12.23 | IDC | I use xchat,trying to DCC out |
| 09:12.23 | mikeKJL | streuner, no that one isn't it, I found it, it videolan |
| 09:12.29 | caphuso | stupid_user: no, -e is a stupid way of writing " -- " |
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| 09:12.33 | peterS | Hackel: I don't know what documentation you're reading - I'm reading the source code itself, and it looks to me as though joystick_port=NNN or joystick_port=1 is needed |
| 09:12.49 | Ry12 | is there a command to remove spaces in a file |
| 09:12.50 | asac | I am looking for a tool like vncrec, but to capture x sessions ... any idea? |
| 09:12.50 | peterS | Hackel: (where NNN is the I/O address of the joystick port - 1 means autodetect |
| 09:12.51 | peterS | ) |
| 09:12.58 | peterS | Ry12: tr -d ' ' < file |
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| 09:13.17 | lnxgrl | hi |
| 09:13.19 | jethro | !tell stupid_user -about pebcak |
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| 09:13.50 | Hackel | peterS: Hmm, that didn't seem to do it. |
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| 09:14.08 | stupid_user | jethro sorry english isn't my native language, i'm not sure what that expressions means |
| 09:14.11 | peterS | Hackel: it calls request_region - so check /proc/ioports to see if "CMIPCI gameport" shows up |
| 09:14.13 | lnxgrl | can anyone give me a short summery about daylight saving times in linux? when is the summertime switch, where/how is it switched and where is the definition(usa,europe,china,etc) |
| 09:14.25 | peterS | Hackel: it should show up as 0x201, if I'm reading this right |
| 09:14.29 | fangel | I need libxml2-devel package, anybudy got a clue to how I should get it |
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| 09:15.02 | lnxgrl | only thing i found is that the timezone seems to define it |
| 09:15.28 | jethro | stupid_user: it means the problem might be sitting on your chair, typing on your keyboard |
| 09:15.35 | Hackel | peterS: Don't see anything promising... |
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| 09:15.49 | caphuso | lnxgrl: that just defines how the time is displayed when an application wants to show the time. internally you don't get timezones or DST |
| 09:16.00 | Ry12 | it wasnt working before because there was spaces after each module name |
| 09:16.02 | stupid_user | jethro okay, makes sence. |
| 09:16.17 | Hackel | joystick_port=201 doesn't work either. |
| 09:16.18 | peterS | Hackel: so you did this? modprobe snd_cmipci joystick_port=1 |
| 09:16.30 | Hackel | Yes |
| 09:16.53 | peterS | Hackel: it would have to be 0x201, not just 201. it's in hexadecimal |
| 09:17.02 | peterS | Hackel: but 0x201 is the first port it tries if you say =1, so if the one doesn't work the other probably won't eitehr |
| 09:17.14 | peterS | Hackel: the next port it tries is 0x200 |
| 09:17.44 | Juergio | hallo |
| 09:17.46 | liable | fangel: erm, apt-get install libxml2-dev? |
| 09:18.38 | Hackel | peterS: If the driver loads should it automatically create the device in /dev/input? Or should I keep the one I manually created? |
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| 09:19.25 | peterS | Hackel: it won't create any device automatically. the first step here is to determine that the joystick *port* is working. note that there's a separation here between the port you plug something into and the device you might be plugging into it |
| 09:19.48 | peterS | Hackel: much like the separation between the modules 'parport_pc' (PC parallel port) and 'lp' (printer on parallel port) |
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| 09:20.04 | Hackel | peterS: of course, I just don't know how to test it other than with jscal, etc. |
| 09:20.08 | sofar | I need help from one of you people here. If you have thunderbird AND the rss reader works please give me a hand and test something for me, takes 1 minute |
| 09:20.17 | peterS | Hackel: well, showing up in /proc/ioports would be a good start |
| 09:21.01 | peterS | Hackel: does anything else show up at or overlapping 0x201 in that file? if so, 'dmesg | tail' ought to tell you how snd_cmipci complains that it can't reserve the port |
| 09:21.09 | Ry12 | i have a list of modules that arent in modules.conf, how do i add it to the boot sequence?? |
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| 09:21.20 | peterS | Ry12: /etc/modules |
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| 09:21.38 | Hackel | peterS: No, nothing from 0x1f7 to 0x290... |
| 09:22.06 | peterS | Hackel: and does the 'dmesg' command show anything about cmipci vis-a-vis the game port? |
| 09:22.15 | POVaddict | Ry12: man 5 modules |
| 09:22.18 | Ry12 | so can i just add the modulenames by themself |
| 09:22.30 | Hackel | peterS: No, nothing. |
| 09:22.30 | liable | Ry12: yes |
| 09:22.36 | tarzeau | panthera: moo |
| 09:22.42 | POVaddict | Ry12: yes, one module per line |
| 09:22.52 | POVaddict | Ry12: with optional module parameters |
| 09:23.12 | Ry12 | append=nohotplug disables hotplug right? |
| 09:23.12 | peterS | Hackel: hrrrm. is this a debian kernel? if you compiled it yourself you could have left out some option related to the game port. here's how to tell: 'modinfo snd_cmipci' - look for the joystick_port line |
| 09:23.32 | neoXite | i cant find routed/gated anywhere in sarge, where are they? |
| 09:23.51 | peterS | neoXite: what kind of routing do you want? quagga can do it all, I think |
| 09:24.03 | liable | Ry12: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:24.18 | Hackel | peterS: No, it's a debian kernel and joystick_port is there. |
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| 09:24.45 | peterS | Hackel: well then. if you loaded it with the joystick_port=1 parameter, it should have either reserved port 0x201, or complained to dmesg that it was unable |
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| 09:25.00 | St0n3-C0l | Gnome 2.10 is there for Sarge ? |
| 09:25.01 | neoXite | peterS: just want to experiment with rip, ospf, igrp etc.. |
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| 09:25.12 | peterS | St0n3-C0l: no, but it's in experimental. where there be dragons |
| 09:25.20 | neoXite | so routed/gated are now obsolete? |
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| 09:25.29 | St0n3-C0l | hmmm and whats that Sarge has frozen ? |
| 09:25.36 | peterS | neoXite: 'bird' might be what you're looking for. I think that's the old routed or gated |
| 09:25.53 | peterS | neoXite: but 'quagga' is said to be a lot more sophisticated. myself, I've never played with routing daemons, so I can't say |
| 09:25.58 | Hackel | peterS: Yeah, it doesn't complain no matter what I set it to. |
| 09:26.00 | soccos | is it possible to store volume settings so they are retained after a reboot? |
| 09:26.29 | peterS | Hackel: ok, I'm confused. does it show up in /proc/iomem by any chance? I was sure it was /proc/ioports but I could be mistaken |
| 09:26.29 | liable | soccos: alsactl store |
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| 09:26.58 | neoXite | peterS: i just asked for routed because that's what my howto is referring to, i'm thankful for suggestions about more popular routing tools |
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| 09:27.20 | peterS | neoXite: I think bird is close to one of the old berkeley daemons but I never really got routed and gated straight |
| 09:27.33 | neoXite | ok thanks |
| 09:27.44 | Hackel | peterS: not as far as I can tell. |
| 09:27.46 | soccos | liable: thx |
| 09:28.22 | St0n3-C0l | Sarge Has Frozen...whats that ? |
| 09:28.25 | peterS | Hackel: this is very strange. according to my reading of the source, it should have done *something* |
| 09:28.49 | Hackel | peterS: All I get is: ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:08.0[A] -> GSI 5 (level, low) -> IRQ 5 |
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| 09:29.10 | joenp | 1. sudo apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686-smp 2. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, copying previous entry, but changing kernel (vmlinuz-2.6.10-1-686-smp in stead of vmlinuz-2.6.10) 3. Reboot 4. Kernel panic: "Not syning: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)". Ideas? |
| 09:29.18 | liable | St0n3-C0l: only patches, no new apps |
| 09:29.31 | mango | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:29.51 | peterS | Hackel: and no other messages in 'dmesg'? I begin to wonder if you *also* happen to have the 'cmpci' module loaded, and 'snd_cmipci' is sitting on its tail end unnoticed |
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| 09:30.43 | Hackel | peterS: No other messages, and not loading cmpci as far as I can tell. |
| 09:30.52 | peterS | Hackel: yeah, 'lsmod |
| 09:30.57 | peterS | Hackel: 'lsmod' will tell for sure. |
| 09:31.22 | joenp | Btw, one harddrive only, but it's SCSI. Does that make a difference? |
| 09:31.41 | Hackel | peterS: I know, I'm only loading the alsa driver. |
| 09:31.59 | liable | joenp: old kernel still ok? |
| 09:32.05 | peterS | Hackel: curiouser and curiouser. that lack of trace in /proc/ioports is really bugging me. maybe I'm a little hung up about this (: |
| 09:32.21 | joenp | liable: The old kernel is just fine. |
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| 09:33.16 | Hackel | peterS: Heh, it certainly is strange. Isn't there a debug switch for alsa to get it to be more verbose? |
| 09:33.28 | peterS | Hackel: hold on a sec, let me look at the source again here |
| 09:34.19 | joenp | liable: Tried 2.6.8-2-686-smp as well. Processor is P4 with HT. |
| 09:34.38 | joenp | liable: (Same error with 2.6.8). |
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| 09:36.04 | peterS | Hackel: yeah, following the call chain, the bit that registers the joystick port should be directly in the line from the function called by the PCI subsystem to initialise the sound card itself. the audio interface *does* appear in the alsa list? (/proc/asound/cards) |
| 09:36.28 | directhex|work | joenp, you changed the initrd line as well as the kernel line? |
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| 09:36.43 | directhex|work | joenp, you shouldn't need to edit menu.lst by hand anyway |
| 09:37.03 | peterS | Hackel: I wish I had CMI hardware, I could check this stuff by some means other than just reading source. unfortunately.. |
| 09:37.39 | Hackel | peterS: Yes, the audio interface is there. You don't wish you had CMI hardware, it's pretty crappy.. :) |
| 09:38.12 | peterS | Hackel: I've got VIA motherboard sound, don't tell me about crappy (: actually I have no complaints, it plays my ogg files just fine which is all I really need |
| 09:39.33 | DarthV4der | VIA chipsets <- I love it. hehe, ^_^ |
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| 09:40.02 | Hackel | Aha! |
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| 09:40.17 | peterS | Hackel: now. moving on for a bit. you need 3 separate modules to get your joystick to work. 'joydev' is the frontend for all joystick-like things. 'snd_cmipci' provides the port. and you need something in the middle, to talk to your joystick and provide data to joydev. |
| 09:40.36 | peterS | Hackel: this "something in the middle" depends on your joystick type. for classic joysticks it is named 'analog' |
| 09:40.51 | Hackel | peterS: I'm not sure if this is why, but I added joystick_port=1 as an option in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file and now it shows up in ioports! |
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| 09:41.16 | peterS | Hackel: wow. I wonder why this doesn't work when you modprobe it manually. very very odd. ANYWAY, good deal. moving on. (: |
| 09:42.02 | peterS | Hackel: what type of joystick have you got? does it seem likely to be served by the 'analog' module? there are lots of other joystick driver modules |
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| 09:42.30 | Hackel | petemc: It's just a generic gamepad, it's kind-of working now with analog. :) |
| 09:43.02 | peterS | Hackel: good, good. analog has a parameter 'map=' which I haven't looked up yet to see what it does, but apparently it's for telling the module what characteristics (like what buttons) your joystick has |
| 09:43.24 | petemc | Hackel: thats 4 times now |
| 09:43.37 | peterS | petemc: I should add a highlight for you, shouldn't I? |
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| 09:43.47 | petemc | heh, maybe] |
| 09:44.01 | peterS | Hackel: poor petemc gets a lot of highlights intended for me, and occasionally vice versa |
| 09:44.22 | Hackel | petemc: Hehe, I'm sorry, stupid xchat! |
| 09:44.27 | petemc | no worries |
| 09:44.34 | nksen | anyone has ulogd running AND working on debian woody? |
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| 09:44.40 | Hackel | I -was- aware of it, just got excited. ;) |
| 09:44.49 | jm_ | nksen: I had it working yes |
| 09:44.57 | DarthV4der | s/AND/AMD/ |
| 09:45.22 | notty | can someone give me that link about compiling kernel the debian way ? |
| 09:45.28 | nksen | jm_: well it actually really logged to /var/log/ulogd.syslogemu? even dpkg says that there is a bug. did you compile from source? |
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| 09:45.33 | peterS | notty: /msg dpkg kp |
| 09:45.38 | notty | thanx |
| 09:45.59 | DarthV4der | magic... |
| 09:46.11 | jm_ | nksen: yes, I took newer package from sid when I was testing it back then and recompiled it - there was also a nasty kernel bug at that time which caused panics with ulog |
| 09:46.32 | Hackel | peterS: Thanks for your help. Very strange how it wouldn't work from the command line, but now it seems to be working well. |
| 09:46.47 | peterS | Hackel: that's the important thing |
| 09:47.24 | nksen | jm_: you said you 'were' using it. what are you now using instaed, are there better alternatives? |
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| 09:48.31 | Ry12 | what does this mean /etc/modutils/alsa: line 10: alias: sound-service-0-12: not found |
| 09:48.52 | jm_ | nksen: LOG target from iptables |
| 09:49.36 | nksen | jm_: actually this floods my /var/log/messages :/ |
| 09:51.02 | jm_ | nksen: and you want it in another file, thus using ulog? |
| 09:51.33 | Crasp | hello, i'm trying to build suphp using dpkg-buildpackage. in debian/rules there is a configure-apache and a configure-apache2 defined, now i want it to use apache2 and not apache. How do i do that? |
| 09:51.33 | nksen | jm_: yes. but I'd use ANY way to get it separated in a different file |
| 09:51.47 | umbop | hmm does anyone know the commands (via telnet) like pop3 for imap i.e. user username pass password etc ? |
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| 09:51.51 | jm_ | nksen: ahh --log-prefix and syslog-ng should let you do that |
| 09:51.58 | stupid_user | umbop read RFCs |
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| 09:52.16 | nksen | jm_: so putting a prefix to the log and make syslog-ng decide on this prefix to put it in another file? |
| 09:52.17 | Crasp | umbop: user <user> pass <pass> |
| 09:52.31 | Crasp | umbop: with a \n between them :) |
| 09:52.33 | umbop | stupid_user: yeh i read rfc 3501 but what i tride didnt work |
| 09:53.06 | umbop | Crasp: no it doesn't user <username> |
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| 09:53.16 | umbop | s/tride/tried/ |
| 09:53.40 | jm_ | nksen: for example yes, I think syslog-ng actually doesn't need this but it will make it easier for you (I don't get too many crap these days, so I log everything |
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| 09:56.14 | umbop | got it anyway |
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| 09:56.44 | nksen | jm_: i see. well I need a lesson on syslog ;) thx for your time |
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| 09:57.19 | joenp | directhex|work: Yes, I tried that too. And yes, I totally agree. I found a man page for at tool called "grubby" but apparently, it's not available for download. |
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| 09:58.00 | Crasp | hello, i'm trying to build suphp using dpkg-buildpackage. in debian/rules there is a configure-apache and a configure-apache2 defined, now i want it to use apache2 and not apache. How do i do that? |
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| 09:58.26 | directhex|work | joenp, debian ought to be modifying your menu.lst automatically, whenever the update-grub script is run (which should be every time you install a kernel-image) |
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| 09:58.53 | joenp | directhex|work: That may be why. I'm running Mepis (Debian based). |
| 09:59.17 | Crasp | joenp: uhoh, you're gonna get it now :) |
| 09:59.22 | directhex|work | joenp, so ask your questions in #mepis. we cannot support it here, because your problems wouldn't be happening on real debian |
| 09:59.31 | directhex|work | !debian solutions |
| 09:59.31 | dpkg | debian solutions are the answers to debian problems. we don't care if debian solutions don't apply to non-debian distributions (hardware issues with knoppix, packaging issues with linspire, whatever) |
| 09:59.49 | joenp | directhex|work: Ran it now, rebooting |
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| 10:00.54 | joenp | directhex|work: Why not? Thanks to your advice, I'm booting 2.6.10-1-686-smp now :) |
| 10:02.03 | Crasp | joenp: cause debian based does not mean they are debian |
| 10:02.14 | Crasp | joenp: they often use their own set of packages which might not be the same |
| 10:03.14 | nksen | jm_: .is syslog (without 'ng') also able to separate by keyword? i just can see, that it is able to separate trough priority and facility |
| 10:03.26 | joenp | Crasp: True, but this question was of a general nature. |
| 10:03.39 | joenp | Crasp: It just so happened that update-grub solved it :) |
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| 10:03.48 | jm_ | nksen: nope |
| 10:04.26 | jm_ | nksen: you can also limit amount of logging netfilter will do if that helps |
| 10:04.33 | jm_ | or rather its rate |
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| 10:06.10 | nksen | jm_: *shrug* well I guess the amount of logging is okay, if I can get it to a separate file |
| 10:06.20 | nksen | and changing to syslog-ng might not be a big problem |
| 10:06.52 | joenp | Crasp: If the question had been MEPIS specific, I would not have asked it here. |
| 10:07.01 | joenp | directhex|work: Sorry if I offended you, but thanks anyway. |
| 10:07.04 | Crasp | but it was not debian specific either |
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| 10:11.32 | Eclipser | I should update this laptops sarge more often |
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| 10:11.45 | JohnnyST | openwebmail is totally gone from debain where can I find debs for it? |
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| 10:11.53 | joenp | Crasp: So I should have taken it to #linxu-general? I chose this channel because: 1. It has lots of users. 2. Most seem to be competent. 3. Chances of many competent users knowin the answer to a very general questions are high. |
| 10:11.58 | directhex|work | joenp, you evidently haven't spent several hours trying to help someone's problems, and them mentionning eventually "oh, it's knoppix, but that's debian based, so it doesn't matter, right?" |
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| 10:13.01 | joenp | directhex|work: I have not, no. But I can imagine the frustration and the "getting burned" feeling. |
| 10:13.15 | directhex|work | joenp, as it happens, i ran mepis before debian. the result of trying to use debian repositories was a complete cull of all packages on the system, and a broken install. debian-based isn't debian. diamond isn't coal, cheese isn't milk, etc |
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| 10:15.27 | jethro | holy cow, my watch is drifting like 20 minutes a day! |
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| 10:15.34 | cievo | all...hello ! |
| 10:15.43 | cievo | !sex |
| 10:15.43 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 10:15.53 | kjparker | hi ppl |
| 10:16.11 | joenp | directhex|work: But adding an entry to GRUB's menu.lst cannot be fundamentally different? That is why I asked the question, which you answered. Pardon for stepping on your toes. I shall refrain from asking non-debian related questions here again. |
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| 10:17.04 | kjparker | is there a simple way of getting an up to date java package installed? |
| 10:17.19 | kjparker | i checked apt-cache, and nothing jumped out at me... |
| 10:17.26 | directhex|work | kjparker, install java-package from sid, download a .bin from sun.com, run mpkg-j2se thefile.bin |
| 10:17.45 | Crono | anyone here know anyhtign about networking between knoppix and winxp? |
| 10:17.54 | cievo | Crono: what exactly ? |
| 10:18.00 | kjparker | crono try #knoppix |
| 10:18.07 | kjparker | :) |
| 10:18.13 | cievo | kjparker: :) |
| 10:18.21 | Crono | er..beforei do that "i'm a linux n00b"..how do i increase font size in xchat? |
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| 10:18.36 | directhex|work | Crono, in the xchat settings screen? |
| 10:18.45 | Crono | hrm....that might help |
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| 10:18.52 | cievo | Crono: what does it have to do with network between xp and linux? :) |
| 10:19.06 | kjparker | directhex|work, : to do that, i need to add unstable to my sources.list? |
| 10:19.11 | jvw | directhex|work: it's in sarge too (java-package), same version even |
| 10:19.17 | directhex|work | it is? that's recent |
| 10:19.23 | Crono | well..before i installed knoppix...i copys loads fo files to another compuiter on my LAN |
| 10:19.36 | Crono | and i would like to have them back |
| 10:19.53 | directhex|work | !info java-package sarge |
| 10:19.55 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 10:19.56 | cievo | Crono: what did you do ? I didn't understand your english.... |
| 10:20.02 | directhex|work | kjparker, apparently it's in sarge too |
| 10:20.13 | Crono | i copied a bunch of files over the LAN to the xp machine |
| 10:20.20 | cievo | Crono: OK, and ? |
| 10:20.21 | Crono | then,,, i installed knoppix |
| 10:20.22 | directhex|work | cievo, he wants to configure knoppix as a samba client |
| 10:20.25 | jvw | directhex|work: it's in sarge for months now |
| 10:20.28 | cievo | directhex|work: :) |
| 10:20.33 | Crono | and now..i jsut wnat to copy the files back |
| 10:20.35 | zahod | Crono, you can use samba to get them back |
| 10:20.40 | kjparker | java-common could that be it? |
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| 10:20.42 | Crono | [browse the LAN' |
| 10:20.49 | cievo | Crono: Oh...you have to mount that LAN share on your system.... |
| 10:20.58 | directhex|work | kjparker, why would it be java-common if i said java-package? |
| 10:21.02 | Crono | hrm |
| 10:21.05 | Crono | ok |
| 10:21.10 | Crono | smaba is it? |
| 10:21.15 | directhex|work | kjparker, are you one of those people who turns left when told to turn right? |
| 10:21.16 | jethro | !tell Crono -about enter |
| 10:21.17 | Crono | i'll look it up and see what it does |
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| 10:21.21 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 10:21.22 | kjparker | lol, if i do apt-cache search java-package nothing comes up |
| 10:21.26 | jethro | hi Aronofsky |
| 10:21.31 | shining | I was using blackbox, and opened nautilus from firefox which launched metacity. how do I switch back to blackbox ? |
| 10:21.34 | jvw | kjparker: it's contrib, add that to sources.list |
| 10:21.36 | directhex|work | kjparker, it's in contrib. you need contrib sources. |
| 10:21.36 | cievo | Crono: mount -t smbfs //PATH_ON_NET /PATH_TO_MOUNT_DIR |
| 10:21.42 | shining | without killing actual session |
| 10:21.43 | directhex|work | !non-free sources |
| 10:21.43 | dpkg | somebody said non-free sources was edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update |
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| 10:21.49 | kjparker | jvw, that would explain why I can't see it |
| 10:21.51 | Aronofsky | got a litlle question, how can I uninstall openldap that has been installed from source ? |
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| 10:21.58 | Crono | cieo...iam not that far into my linux knowlage |
| 10:22.02 | Crono | lol |
| 10:22.06 | directhex|work | Aronofsky, if you're lucky, with "make uninstall" |
| 10:22.08 | cievo | Crono: :) |
| 10:22.15 | Crono | took me 10 or so hours to get netword adapter working |
| 10:22.16 | directhex|work | Aronofsky, usually, you can't and you're fucked and you should have used apt |
| 10:22.19 | cievo | Crono: oki....follow me |
| 10:22.23 | jethro | Aronofsky: if you're not lucky, you got the point why it's stupid to install from sources when you can use packaged stuff |
| 10:22.26 | cievo | Crono: cd /mnt |
| 10:22.35 | cievo | Crono: mkdir net |
| 10:22.35 | Crono | [this is a ahrd drive install] |
| 10:22.43 | shining | nobody knows? |
| 10:22.48 | directhex|work | cievo, please take it elsewhere, this is a ##linux or #knoppix discussion, and it's cluttering up #debian with irrelevance |
| 10:22.52 | jethro | !tell cievo -about enter |
| 10:22.58 | Crono | wait..let me fix this font first palce |
| 10:23.04 | Crono | plase* |
| 10:23.04 | cievo | directhex|work: ok :) |
| 10:23.12 | cievo | Crono: come to #flood |
| 10:23.27 | jethro | is it sunday again? |
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| 10:23.58 | directhex|work | jethro, screw sunday, monday was an exercise in annoyance. worst day i've ever seen |
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| 10:25.06 | kjparker | thanks guys, that sorted it, in can now find the package |
| 10:25.06 | kjparker | :) |
| 10:25.39 | kjparker | is there anythig else i should add to my sources.list to make sure I get all the interesting software |
| 10:25.40 | win2005 | hop |
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| 10:26.14 | win2005 | ya du monde ?? |
| 10:26.15 | liable | !fr |
| 10:26.15 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 10:26.59 | kjparker | ok, the app i am trying to run is telling that i need sun jre 1.4 or higher. |
| 10:27.15 | kjparker | there isn't a apt package for that is there |
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| 10:28.07 | karsten | 2.2 is what, potato? |
| 10:28.15 | streuner_ | !potato |
| 10:28.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 10:28.30 | streuner_ | kjparker: /msg dpkg blackdown |
| 10:29.05 | directhex|work | kjparker, um... do i really have to repeat myself? |
| 10:29.15 | karsten | w00t! |
| 10:29.29 | directhex|work | kjparker, install the java-package package. download a java .bin from sun.com. run mpkg-j2se thefileyougot.bin |
| 10:29.36 | directhex|work | kjparker, then install the resulting .deb |
| 10:29.41 | kjparker | directhex|work, : thankyou, i installed the package java-package, and it went through fine |
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| 10:29.44 | DarthV4der | blackdown, caffe, gcj .... |
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| 10:30.14 | sussudio | bot? |
| 10:30.14 | raf256bot001 | hi there fellow debian users \o/ |
| 10:30.32 | Rawplayer | debian? |
| 10:30.44 | raf256bot001 | sussudio - no VERSION info yet, sorry ;) |
| 10:30.49 | sussudio | meh. |
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| 10:30.51 | DarthV4der | yes,it is |
| 10:31.03 | DarthV4der | me too |
| 10:31.17 | directhex|work | kjparker, debian cannot distribute java in any shape or form, for licensing reasons. you need to create a .deb yourself, after going to sun.com to agree to sun's license, and download a .bin package from there |
| 10:31.32 | kjparker | ok |
| 10:31.33 | raf256bot001 | ok, atually v 0.01 is just.. a telnet connection :] but normal C++ socket++ version is in development \o/ |
| 10:31.34 | karsten | directhex|work: Not _quite_ accurate. |
| 10:31.47 | karsten | kjparker: There are prebuilt debs. Ask dpkg. |
| 10:31.50 | kjparker | directhex|work, : thanks, that makes more sense now... |
| 10:31.57 | karsten | kjparker: It's *still* a fscking PITA. |
| 10:32.17 | streuner_ | karsten: blackdown... |
| 10:32.26 | karsten | directhex|work: The bit about distributing is accurate. The bit about creating debs isn't. |
| 10:32.44 | karsten | streuner_: Yeah, I think. |
| 10:32.58 | directhex|work | karsten, blackdown, last i used it, was _AWFUL_ |
| 10:33.04 | streuner_ | karsten: debian doesn't |
| 10:33.26 | directhex|work | karsten, plus, blackdown aren't debian, and have agreed to sun's prohibitive licenses |
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| 10:33.37 | karsten | streuner_: I just went through this, *exceptionally* painfully, last week. |
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| 10:33.51 | karsten | directhex|work: ...and what in particular was bad about blackdown? |
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| 10:33.56 | zaka | hello, can i found paltalk for debian? plz |
| 10:34.13 | directhex|work | !info paltalk |
| 10:34.18 | directhex|work | no |
| 10:34.29 | zaka | :)thnx |
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| 10:34.32 | digitalwulf | It seems that in ebay we can find SEALED zaurus SL-5500, a cool PDA linux box! http://search.ebay.com/zaurus |
| 10:34.56 | zaka | !info paltalk |
| 10:35.03 | streuner_ | digitalwulf: and what has that to do with #debian? |
| 10:35.18 | digitalwulf | you can installed DEBIAN on it!!! |
| 10:35.37 | directhex|work | paltalk as in closed-source payware windows-only im client with voice chat? |
| 10:35.42 | streuner_ | sure, should we search for you that box now? |
| 10:36.07 | tarzeau | does it have 80x24 for nethack? |
| 10:36.13 | streuner_ | haha |
| 10:36.31 | Subvertir | for me the search has already has been done already |
| 10:37.06 | digitalwulf | http://pocketworkstation.org/ |
| 10:37.57 | directhex|work | digitalwulf, considering the zaurus has existed for well over a year, what made you decide to annouce it being on ebay as news relevant to #debian rather than ##linux? |
| 10:38.38 | Guerin | or #whogivesafuck |
| 10:39.04 | digitalwulf | anyone that loves linux would love also to have a PDA with linux??? no??? |
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| 10:39.13 | directhex|work | !!!! |
| 10:39.14 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 10:39.18 | Guerin | it's not that simple, bud |
| 10:39.26 | peterS | digitalwulf: seriously, we heard of the zaurus at least 3 years ago |
| 10:39.41 | Guerin | <hat type="old"> |
| 10:39.52 | bykte | everyone needs to get over excited once in a while |
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| 10:40.06 | digitalwulf | I'm not doing publicity, I'm only telling how fun is to have linux on a PDA! |
| 10:40.15 | digitalwulf | and that debain runs on it... |
| 10:40.32 | Guerin | yeah, but he's getting excited about an ebay item he clearly doesn't want to buy, since he's just told 1,000 people about it, 900 of whom are probably more capable of buying it |
| 10:40.37 | streuner_ | Guerin: everything ok? |
| 10:40.41 | directhex|work | why? a pda is meant to do a job. if qtopia is more user-friendly than palmos or windows mobile, then fine, but otherwise it's just an expensive toy |
| 10:40.42 | bykte | Guerin, lol |
| 10:40.55 | DarthV4der | debian-in-a-boks |
| 10:41.04 | digitalwulf | I have a zaurus SL-5500!!!! |
| 10:41.06 | Guerin | streuner_: peachy. Got some hog in the oven, the week is 60% over. |
| 10:41.10 | DarthV4der | DIB |
| 10:41.17 | streuner_ | Guerin: hehe |
| 10:41.22 | digitalwulf | you can install debian on it! |
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| 10:41.32 | digitalwulf | there is debian for zaurus and ARM!!!!!!! |
| 10:41.36 | bykte | ok now stfu |
| 10:41.41 | directhex|work | digitalwulf, you got boring some time around 11:34 |
| 10:41.53 | digitalwulf | ok, bye then... |
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| 10:42.01 | bykte | that works |
| 10:42.04 | Guerin | ba-doomp |
| 10:42.06 | directhex|work | frenchmen ¬_¬ |
| 10:42.11 | DarthV4der | o.o |
| 10:42.25 | bykte | http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4118&n=0&id=4149 <-- read this |
| 10:42.27 | bykte | damn funny |
| 10:42.27 | DarthV4der | ranma |
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| 10:43.36 | bykte | is that article even real |
| 10:43.50 | petemc | bykte: on the onion? no |
| 10:43.57 | Guerin | bykte: sure it is. TheOnion reports the new other people think is too crazy to be real! |
| 10:44.03 | Guerin | petemc: spoilsport |
| 10:44.07 | petemc | :) |
| 10:44.14 | DarthV4der | hmmm |
| 10:44.17 | bykte | oh so it's fake |
| 10:44.18 | bykte | LOL |
| 10:44.19 | bykte | ok |
| 10:44.44 | Guerin | truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction is required to stay within the realm of possibility, whereas truth is not |
| 10:45.02 | Guerin | so in other words, it's a real article, but it may not be strictly... true. |
| 10:45.32 | bykte | ah......philospphy |
| 10:45.49 | Subvertir | *cough* colostomy *cough* |
| 10:45.57 | Guerin | is that like philosophy said by a person who compulsively gives bronx cheers? |
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| 10:47.56 | streuner_ | hm |
| 10:47.58 | bykte | anyone here actually managed to install a vpn server before? |
| 10:48.42 | Guerin | bykte: no, all those people who claim to use vpn are full of shit. |
| 10:48.58 | bykte | in what way? i dont get you |
| 10:49.10 | bykte | as in use vpn or setup a vpn server? |
| 10:49.31 | neoXite | does a ppp link tunnelled through an ssh tunnel qualify as vpn? =P |
| 10:49.34 | umbop | what time is it in standard eastern time |
| 10:49.54 | phogg | umbop: GMT -5 or -4 depending on daylight savings time |
| 10:49.56 | Subvertir | time to hit the bong and destroy hanson once and for all |
| 10:50.06 | Guerin | bykte: your question asked if anyone had ever set up a vpn server successfully. I said no, nobody, ever. |
| 10:50.17 | umbop | thanks |
| 10:50.20 | bykte | Guerin, hrm..u kidding? |
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| 10:50.26 | bykte | then how does the VPN servers come about? |
| 10:50.26 | Guerin | bykte: not at all. |
| 10:50.35 | bykte | i suppose they appear just like "that" |
| 10:50.37 | Guerin | bykte: this is a question you really need to ask yourself. |
| 10:50.39 | Subvertir | the whole VPN concept was an elaborate troll |
| 10:50.42 | Guerin | that's right |
| 10:50.52 | Guerin | immaculately concieved vpn servers |
| 10:51.09 | Subvertir | if only someone had the werewithal to implement those pie-in-the-sky ideas |
| 10:51.18 | bykte | then what about those services that provide vpn servers access and stuff like that |
| 10:51.18 | peterS | Subvertir: the 'virtual' part of the acronym was an in-joke signifying that they never actually existed? |
| 10:51.34 | Subvertir | peterS, an astute observation |
| 10:51.42 | bykte | if it's fake, why would they offer a vpn daemon |
| 10:52.19 | Guerin | bykte: another very wise question. |
| 10:52.38 | peterS | bykte: fact of the matter, "vpn" does not refer to one *specific* protocol, but a concept with several different implementations |
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| 10:52.41 | Guerin | clearly they're complicit in this great conspiracy Subvertir has identified |
| 10:52.45 | Guerin | whoever THEY are |
| 10:52.55 | Subvertir | and if in fact THEY is their real name |
| 10:53.03 | bykte | huh |
| 10:53.05 | Guerin | whose real name? |
| 10:53.08 | Subvertir | THEM |
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| 10:53.26 | peterS | the band? |
| 10:53.29 | bykte | what ever things are you talking about |
| 10:53.32 | liable | oh dear |
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| 10:55.25 | Guerin | tangential, but possibly related question: |
| 10:55.41 | Guerin | when you were a kid, was the foam on soft drink white? |
| 10:55.53 | Guerin | It all seems to be the same colour as the beverage, nowadays. |
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| 10:56.12 | DarthV4der | like coffee? |
| 10:56.52 | liable | subjective recall? |
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| 10:57.08 | Guerin | no, not like coffee |
| 10:57.16 | DarthV4der | @@ |
| 10:57.17 | ravenbird | from memory, @ is where it's at |
| 10:57.25 | DarthV4der | oh |
| 10:57.55 | karsten | Guerin: What is this "soft" drink of which you speak? |
| 10:58.49 | Guerin | karsten: the ones without alcohol in them |
| 10:59.02 | Guerin | yet which are still just as bad for you as alcoholic beverages |
| 10:59.08 | Guerin | in many cases, moreso |
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| 10:59.38 | karsten | Guerin: You mean: water, ice tea, and peach juice? |
| 10:59.58 | Guerin | karsten: if not made with love and care, ice tea is much worse for you than beer |
| 11:00.10 | peterS | karsten: think to yourself: do those have foam? |
| 11:00.19 | karsten | Guerin: Do tell. |
| 11:00.27 | bykte | white tea taste shit |
| 11:00.33 | karsten | peterS: Depends. Earthquake country, y'know. |
| 11:00.34 | Noid | a drink without foam isn't worth drinking |
| 11:00.44 | karsten | peterS: ...or if you don't rinse after washing... |
| 11:00.51 | DarthV4der | tea is not bad |
| 11:01.00 | Guerin | hrm, about the files in /etc/default/ ... do they all accept the same environment variables? Like, I have one which I want to start withe -r, so I put OPTIONS="-r"; yet it's not starting with -r |
| 11:01.08 | Shane^ | Noid: so coffie with mooneshine isnt worth drinking? |
| 11:01.26 | peterS | karsten: you drink a lot of this stuff with dish soap still in your cup? |
| 11:01.31 | Guerin | the only things I drink much of these days are tea, water and beer |
| 11:01.32 | DarthV4der | what's that? o.o |
| 11:01.39 | Noid | Shane^: i don't know what mooneshine is, but if it has alcohol, we surely can make an exception |
| 11:01.39 | karsten | peterS: No, but if you do ... |
| 11:01.40 | Guerin | probably in reverse order |
| 11:01.43 | karsten | peterS: ...it's foamy. |
| 11:01.52 | karsten | Guerin: WTF is wrong with ice tea? |
| 11:02.05 | streuner_ | sugar |
| 11:02.07 | Shane^ | Noid: moonshine. My typo. Aka homemade alcohol |
| 11:02.29 | Guerin | karsten: nothing at all... it's just that it always seems to be a supersaturate sucrose solution |
| 11:02.38 | peterS | moonshine == whiskey, usually, right? |
| 11:02.39 | Guerin | streuner_: right on |
| 11:02.51 | Guerin | peterS: no way; plain jane grain spirit |
| 11:02.53 | karsten | Guerin: Funny. Mine always seems to be tea... |
| 11:02.56 | Noid | Shane^: new thing learned |
| 11:02.59 | Guerin | whiskey has to be aged |
| 11:03.06 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 11:03.09 | Guerin | karsten: you must make it with love and care, then |
| 11:03.10 | Shane^ | Guerin: yeah... |
| 11:03.26 | DarthV4der | bullshit all |
| 11:03.48 | Guerin | peterS: and only grain spirit if you're lucky... whey, wood chips, corn husks, all sorts are used |
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| 11:03.58 | peterS | ascii *really* needs a subset glyph |
| 11:03.58 | karsten | ...with a light saber. |
| 11:04.03 | peterS | == is just not adequate for these things |
| 11:04.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:04.44 | peterS | == implies symmetry, so it wasn't really what I meant by "moonshine == whiskey" |
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| 11:05.12 | oxygen | hello |
| 11:05.23 | karsten | peterS: Technically, it's any illicit alcohol. Usually corn or wheat based. |
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| 11:05.57 | karsten | peterS: Russians make moonshine vodka. |
| 11:06.02 | peterS | karsten: yeah I know it's illicit. I meant, the term was typically used for home-distilled whiskey, as opposed to other spirits. Guerin set me straight on that one |
| 11:06.09 | Ernst | hello all :) could someone please help me to change the nameserver in debian 3? thanks :-) |
| 11:06.26 | karsten | Ugh. wood.... |
| 11:06.31 | DarthV4der | -_- |
| 11:06.32 | karsten | Ernst: vi /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:06.32 | peterS | Ernst: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:06.46 | streuner_ | Ernst: DHCP? |
| 11:06.46 | karsten | Ernst: Your resolver nameserver, or are you installing one? |
| 11:07.07 | Ernst | karsten: we just got a cisco router and the namwserver has changed |
| 11:07.17 | karsten | peterS: dict mostly focuses on the illicit bit. |
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| 11:07.48 | karsten | Ernst: So you want your hosts to find the new nameserver. /etc/resolv.conf. Or if you use DHCP to assign IPs, change your DHCP server. |
| 11:08.07 | Ernst | debian sees the old settings and with the switch we got new data to enter (and I'm not sure how to do that) |
| 11:08.23 | streuner_ | Ernst: /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 11:08.28 | chealer | is there a list of stable security issues? |
| 11:08.43 | peterS | chealer: http://security.debian.org/ |
| 11:08.45 | streuner_ | Ernst: edit it whatever you want to use as nameserver |
| 11:08.49 | Ernst | thank you, i will try that right away ... do I need to use an editor to change the numbers? |
| 11:08.56 | chealer | peterS: I meant the unfixed ones |
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| 11:09.05 | streuner_ | Ernst: nano |
| 11:09.10 | Ernst | ok |
| 11:09.23 | peterS | chealer: I expect most unfixed issues in stable are embargoed and won't be publicised until they're fixed |
| 11:09.24 | DarthV4der | ed |
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| 11:09.27 | Ernst | brb |
| 11:09.33 | peterS | DarthV4der: not helpful |
| 11:09.40 | DarthV4der | s/nano/ed/ |
| 11:09.59 | peterS | DarthV4der: even less helpful. please don't. users actually rely on our advice sometimes. |
| 11:10.04 | chealer | peterS: I see |
| 11:10.39 | anymous | hello, to disallow the loading of kernel modules I tried "lcap CAP_SYS_MODULE" but that removes ALL capabilities, not only CAP_SYS_MODULE. that's not a known bug AFAICS but is there an alternative? |
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| 11:12.13 | peterS | anymous: I suppose you could read and write /proc/sys/kernel/cap-bound directly |
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| 11:12.37 | kjparker | karsten: thanks, the blackdown debs worked a treat for me |
| 11:12.38 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:12.40 | anymous | peterS, tried that with the same result "echo 0xfffeffff > /proc/..." |
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| 11:13.10 | karsten | Does "Host key verification failed." mean anything to anyone WRT ssh? |
| 11:13.13 | Ernst | back There's no other way than to use an editor (to change the nameserver settings)? |
| 11:13.14 | karsten | kjparker: Cool. |
| 11:13.16 | peterS | anymous: but you'd have to read /usr/include/linux/capability.h to make sure you're getting the right bit |
| 11:13.40 | brrrt | hello all... |
| 11:13.47 | streuner_ | Ernst: no |
| 11:13.51 | karsten | Ernst: You can use a hammer and a very small chisel. |
| 11:13.52 | anymous | peterS: it's bit 16, |
| 11:13.55 | Ernst | lol |
| 11:14.02 | karsten | Ernst: What did you have in mind? |
| 11:14.02 | Ernst | that would do |
| 11:14.08 | streuner_ | Ernst: just use 'nano' and learn to use it, you'll need it in debian ;-) |
| 11:14.09 | doub | hi everybody |
| 11:14.22 | brrrt | how can i find out whick package contains the program htpasswd |
| 11:14.23 | brrrt | ? |
| 11:14.28 | peterS | karsten: host key verification is using /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key to prove you're who the other end thinks you are based on the other end's ~/.ssh/known_hosts and /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts |
| 11:14.29 | DarthV4der | s/nano/ed/ |
| 11:14.37 | streuner_ | Ernst: or try 'mc |
| 11:14.38 | directhex|work | brrrt, install apt-file, and do an apt-file search |
| 11:14.38 | kjparker | just out of curiosity, is there a windows port of nano? |
| 11:14.42 | streuner_ | !info mc |
| 11:14.47 | dpkg | mc: (midnight commander - a powerful file manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.0-4.6.1-pre3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2104 kB, Installed size: 5199 kB |
| 11:15.04 | karsten | Ernst: If you can explain your situation a bit more clearly we may be able to give more useful advice. |
| 11:15.13 | Ernst | karsten: I havn't worked on a linux box in a long time but I got interested in debain when it was 1.2 ... anyway. I'll try to do this for a friend |
| 11:15.14 | peterS | karsten: that is, the server's /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*key and the client's *known_hosts |
| 11:15.16 | karsten | Ernst: How many hosts? Uniform file? |
| 11:15.40 | peterS | * Guerin pwn5 5451 |
| 11:15.40 | karsten | peterS: Client-side appears clean. Where's the server's known hosts file? |
| 11:15.46 | Ernst | karsten: that would be cool. Ok They got a Cisco router and now the nameserver address has to be changed |
| 11:16.00 | Guerin | p3t3r5 pwn5 m3 |
| 11:16.01 | peterS | karsten: /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts, but I don't know that the server verifies the client. I think it's just the client verifying the server |
| 11:16.06 | karsten | Ernst: How many hosts do you have to change? |
| 11:16.13 | brrrt | directhex|work: "apt-file search htpasswd" gives nothing :( |
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| 11:16.29 | Ernst | I think just the server |
| 11:16.37 | Guerin | htpasswd is a program? |
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| 11:16.46 | Guerin | is it not a function of apache? |
| 11:16.56 | Ernst | all the other boxes run varius win os because this is a small pc repair shop |
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| 11:17.09 | peterS | karsten: well, the server *does* verify the client's /etc/ssh/ssh_host*_key in the case where you have 'RhostsRSAAuthentication yes' in sshd_config on the server |
| 11:17.13 | peterS | karsten: I forgot about that case |
| 11:17.26 | karsten | Ernst: 'echo "nameserver <new IP>" > /etc/resolv.conf' |
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| 11:17.32 | streuner_ | !find htpasswd |
| 11:17.33 | Ernst | ok, brb |
| 11:17.33 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'htpasswd' (2): libapache-htpasswd-perl ;; usermin-htpasswd. |
| 11:17.50 | karsten | Ernst: ...though honestly, if it's taking you ten minutes to edit a file.... |
| 11:18.00 | jahor | hi pls... is there a tool for making selective mirror... i mean i have list of packages and i want to mirror all tohose packages and their dependencies on my local mirror |
| 11:18.03 | brrrt | Guerin: i really dont know, i have a server with working auth. but missing htpasswd |
| 11:18.21 | peterS | karsten: hmmm, there's also 'HostbasedAuthentication yes' for ssh protocol 2. I have *no* idea why there's two separate config options for functionally the same thing. that always struck me as odd |
| 11:18.26 | Guerin | brrrt: htpasswd should be a file... I don't believe apache needs anything else to make it work |
| 11:18.28 | Ernst | karsten: I'm on a laptop .. just making room so I can read over there ... brb |
| 11:18.59 | Guerin | brrrt: read the documentation on httpd.apache.org regarding authentication; also, where it says you should use Directory directives in preference to htpasswd |
| 11:19.16 | brrrt | Guerin: i mean the commandline tool to generate the passwords which is htpasswd |
| 11:19.22 | Guerin | ooooh |
| 11:19.26 | Guerin | i geddit |
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| 11:19.56 | brrrt | Guerin: auhtentication works |
| 11:19.58 | m4lu6 | hehe. damnit. i ripped so many options out of the kernel, it can't find the IDE HD :) oops. |
| 11:20.03 | Ernst | Karsten: can I message yo please? (I have a hard time following with all the extra stuff goin' on) thanks |
| 11:20.17 | Guerin | brrrt: apache2-utils |
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| 11:20.31 | karsten | Ernst: No |
| 11:20.46 | Guerin | brrrt: that's sarge, anyway ... apparently regardless of whether you use apache1, as I do. |
| 11:20.53 | Ernst | i thought you would say that |
| 11:20.53 | karsten | Ernst: I've got enough going on here. |
| 11:21.00 | Ernst | I beleve you |
| 11:21.09 | Ernst | ok, there is no nano on the machine |
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| 11:21.18 | Ernst | I just updated the db |
| 11:21.27 | Guerin | Ernst: then you're not running debian |
| 11:21.32 | karsten | Ernst: 'host <host name>' |
| 11:21.34 | kjparker | no nano? |
| 11:21.37 | Ernst | k |
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| 11:21.45 | karsten | Guerin: Or someone removed it ;-) |
| 11:21.49 | brrrt | Guerin: i use woody, and there is no such package |
| 11:21.54 | karsten | Ernst: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:22.03 | kjparker | apt-get install nano ? |
| 11:22.29 | streuner_ | nano is on every sarge install |
| 11:22.29 | streuner_ | but not in woody |
| 11:22.32 | Ernst | hang on .... I'm not used to a german keyboard .... I can't find the / |
| 11:22.34 | Ernst | brb |
| 11:22.44 | kjparker | i had woody, i'm sure i had it..... |
| 11:22.51 | karsten | Guerin: Used to be 'ae' was the standard editor. |
| 11:23.02 | streuner_ | kjparker: yeah, you prolly install it later |
| 11:23.04 | karsten | Guerin: 'coz it wasn't vi and it wasn't emacs, so it sucked for everybody. |
| 11:23.07 | raf256 | if I want to hand-compile gcc (with -march=k7) then I should remove g++ gcc package or what? |
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| 11:23.24 | streuner_ | kjparker: woody use ae, in sarge it changes to nano |
| 11:23.32 | Ernst | ok. cat/etc/debian_version returns 3.0 |
| 11:23.37 | kjparker | you could apt-get it though right? |
| 11:23.37 | Ernst | no name |
| 11:23.49 | kjparker | 3.0 = woody |
| 11:23.51 | lindi- | raf256: can't you just apt-get --build source gcc? |
| 11:23.51 | streuner_ | Ernst: apt-get install nano |
| 11:23.56 | Ernst | o |
| 11:23.59 | Ernst | ok brb |
| 11:23.59 | streuner_ | !woody |
| 11:24.00 | dpkg | from memory, woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
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| 11:24.11 | toadi | nano is that the editor used in pico ? |
| 11:24.18 | streuner_ | no |
| 11:24.20 | Eclipser | nano is enhanced pico :) |
| 11:24.25 | toadi | heh |
| 11:24.27 | raf256 | lindi-: that will get sources and built them? w00t! and how can I pass compilar flags to it? |
| 11:24.28 | lindi- | nano is a free replacement for pico |
| 11:24.32 | toadi | well i'm a mutt user :D |
| 11:24.41 | karsten | toadi: It's a clone of it, yes. |
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| 11:24.45 | toadi | ah |
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| 11:24.47 | kjparker | i want nano on my windows box |
| 11:24.49 | kjparker | :P) |
| 11:24.50 | karsten | streuner_: It is, sort of. |
| 11:24.50 | toadi | and used in pine |
| 11:24.56 | toadi | mail reader as editor |
| 11:25.01 | karsten | kjparker: cygwin. |
| 11:25.09 | lindi- | raf256: yes. apt-get build source gcc; and then edit gcc*/debian/rules and finally say apt-get --build source gcc again if you want to change something |
| 11:25.12 | toadi | or is that pico too |
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| 11:25.31 | Filzo | hi everyone |
| 11:25.37 | kjparker | !info cygwin |
| 11:25.54 | karsten | kjparker: http://www.cygwin.com/ |
| 11:26.00 | Ernst | karsten: I can't get nano but there is vi installed |
| 11:26.01 | karsten | kjparker: Linux tools for Windows. |
| 11:26.04 | Eclipser | cygwin is windows program to emulate unix :) |
| 11:26.08 | Crono | ... |
| 11:26.09 | Eclipser | well, linux |
| 11:26.16 | kjparker | oic, |
| 11:26.30 | kjparker | may as well just use vmware |
| 11:26.32 | kjparker | :) |
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| 11:26.34 | karsten | Eclipser: Originally Unix. Now it's branded as "Linux" stuff for Windows. I found that amusing. |
| 11:26.42 | raf256 | lindi-: omfg that is so freaking comfortable \o/ |
| 11:26.43 | karsten | Ernst: 'apt-get install nano' |
| 11:26.44 | POVaddict | kjparker: or qemu |
| 11:26.48 | Eclipser | karsten, heh |
| 11:26.49 | karsten | !tell Ernst about installit |
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| 11:27.22 | toadi | well in windows you can install the microsoft unix toolset too :D |
| 11:27.29 | streuner_ | Ernst: hell, then just use 'vi' |
| 11:27.30 | Ernst | karsten: for some reason it can't access the debian ftp server ... maybe the list is wrong |
| 11:27.32 | raf256 | lindi-: should I remove gcc/g++ before doing the build or something? gcc contains g++ and binutils? |
| 11:27.35 | karsten | toadi: Truth. Or UWIN. |
| 11:27.40 | karsten | toadi: ...or MKS, or .... |
| 11:27.46 | Manny | hi |
| 11:27.46 | Eclipser | ok |
| 11:27.50 | Eclipser | tthis is semi funny |
| 11:27.50 | karsten | Ernst: Well, if nameservice doesn't work.... |
| 11:27.52 | Eclipser | !regex |
| 11:27.52 | dpkg | i guess regex is ^[$%]?s/.*?:(?:\\\\\\\)+/.*?:(?:\\\\\\\\)*/[i]?$, or |
| 11:27.52 | Ernst | ok, i have used vim .... can we do it in vim if you guys don't mind |
| 11:27.56 | Eclipser | :p |
| 11:27.58 | Guerin | brrrt: i expect apache-utils, then |
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| 11:28.04 | toadi | doesnt colinux install a linux window service too ? |
| 11:28.06 | Guerin | anyway |
| 11:28.08 | Guerin | dinnah |
| 11:28.08 | karsten | Ernst: What exactly are your Linux qualifications? |
| 11:28.20 | karsten | toadi: Um. colinux is sort of like UML. |
| 11:28.23 | lindi- | raf256: you can't compile gcc without gcc ;) |
| 11:28.29 | Manny | I remember that there is a fake package creation utility |
| 11:28.33 | Teemu_ | :I |
| 11:28.35 | lindi- | raf256: or at least some C compiler is needed to build stage 1 |
| 11:28.35 | Manny | it allows to create an empty package |
| 11:28.43 | toadi | karsten, well i stick to vmware |
| 11:28.44 | brrrt | Guerin: i wouold be glad if there would be a package like this but there isnt :( |
| 11:28.52 | Ernst | karsten I used linux for about a year when I was in Kanada but I'm a musician and work in xp now |
| 11:28.53 | toadi | karsten, under linux off course |
| 11:28.58 | Manny | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/interpreters/mono-common isn't available for PPC, but doesn't contain anything |
| 11:29.00 | Ernst | I have used vim in the past |
| 11:29.14 | Ernst | I think if you help me, i could do it |
| 11:29.16 | streuner_ | Ernst: then just use 'vi' |
| 11:29.17 | lindi- | raf256: it is, and the best part is that it works for all packages. they won't get to release if they don't build like this automatically |
| 11:29.23 | toadi | Ernst, very good free editor on xp: crimson editor |
| 11:29.39 | Ernst | todai, ok. I'll look into that |
| 11:29.41 | raf256 | omg debian is so cool \o/ |
| 11:29.45 | brrrt | Guerin: on another server with almost the same setup there is also no package like this but there is the tool htpasswd |
| 11:29.58 | toadi | Ernst, can do everyting you will need and is easy to use! |
| 11:30.05 | Filzo | urh, I think I have to go to school to set up a new fileserver now -_- |
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| 11:30.17 | lindi- | raf256: why do you want to compile gcc btw? |
| 11:30.32 | directhex|work | brrrt, what did apt-file say? |
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| 11:30.45 | brrrt | Guerin: nothing |
| 11:30.46 | Ernst | toadi: thanks for the tip |
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| 11:31.10 | brrrt | Guerin: on both machines |
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| 11:31.15 | kbrooks | YES! |
| 11:31.16 | toadi | Ernst, np |
| 11:31.35 | kbrooks | Sarge is FINALLY frozen |
| 11:31.47 | Ernst | does anyone know foka@debian.org and if yes, does he still come here? |
| 11:31.51 | toadi | Ernst, make no mistake i was a vivid and dedicated vim user :D |
| 11:31.52 | Subvertir | it was frozen a couple days ago wasn't it? |
| 11:31.54 | raf256 | lindi-: to speed it up |
| 11:32.02 | kjparker | ok, i'm looking for a package similar to dvdshrink on windows |
| 11:32.18 | kjparker | does such a beast exist on debian? |
| 11:32.24 | Filzo | when, do you think, is sarge gonna be stable? |
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| 11:32.26 | Ernst | toadi: do you know how to change the nameserver address? I need to enter a new one |
| 11:32.27 | lindi- | raf256: i'm very sceptical about that. use distcc or ccache if you want to speed up compilations |
| 11:32.37 | Filzo | Ernst: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:32.41 | directhex|work | kjparker, not in debian, no. vobcopy can extract vobs, but needs libdvdcss2 (illegal) to work |
| 11:32.56 | raf256 | lindi-: no, I ment to speed up compilation of one file. that cant be neither cached by cccache or distributed to few machines |
| 11:33.11 | streuner_ | Ernst: as i told you before, just edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 11:33.14 | lindi- | raf256: what file is that? ;) C or C++? |
| 11:33.20 | toadi | Ernst, in bind ? |
| 11:33.27 | karamelos | how can I save a real video stream? |
| 11:33.41 | raf256 | lindi-: the gcc that I apt-get are made for i386 right? so they can NOT use 486,586,686-only registers since it would breake compability |
| 11:33.44 | Ernst | toadi: I'm not sure ... maybe i should stay away from this |
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| 11:33.47 | kjparker | directhex|work, : will that crunch a dvd9 disk to dvd5? |
| 11:33.47 | streuner_ | Ernst: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 11:33.54 | toadi | Ernst, probably yes |
| 11:33.54 | Ernst | ok |
| 11:33.55 | directhex|work | kjparker, no. |
| 11:33.57 | karsten | karamelos: have it baptized |
| 11:33.57 | Ernst | brb |
| 11:33.57 | streuner_ | dpkg dhcp client |
| 11:33.58 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
| 11:34.00 | drasko | hi all. anyone using scite? How to make aucocomplete function to show list from which I can select with tab or enter, similar like in anjuta? I can not find where to uncomment that option in config file... |
| 11:34.01 | raf256 | so by using --march=k7 flag the program will use much more opcodes etc and shold run faster |
| 11:34.13 | raf256 | I compile c++ files. I will use also precompiled headers probably |
| 11:34.24 | lindi- | raf256: it's not that simple |
| 11:34.27 | toadi | Ernst, dpkg told it all |
| 11:34.33 | directhex|work | karamelos, search apt for a tool. mimms will do windows media streams |
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| 11:34.59 | streuner_ | !tell Ernst about dpkg dhcp client |
| 11:35.02 | lindi- | raf256: gcc does not do floating point math or use mmx afaik :) |
| 11:35.09 | streuner_ | !tell Ernst about dhcp client |
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| 11:35.16 | raf256 | lindi-: I dont need floating math do I :) |
| 11:35.18 | Ernst | yes |
| 11:35.26 | npx | ohhh man |
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| 11:35.29 | npx | I love 8mbps down |
| 11:35.32 | karamelos | thank you directhex|work |
| 11:35.34 | Ernst | ok, thanks :-) |
| 11:35.48 | Ernst | have a great day or night ... where ever you guys are |
| 11:35.50 | Ernst | ciao |
| 11:35.52 | raf256 | lindi-: gcc package is not either hinted or made for k7, its for i386 so it is not using _any_ new opcodes since times of 386 computers, is it |
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| 11:36.23 | brrrt | Guerin: ahh now i found something: /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache-common.list:/usr/bin/htpasswd |
| 11:36.25 | lindi- | raf256: yes, but does it really make any difference in gcc? would be interesting to see benchmarks |
| 11:36.31 | IDC | I bought a switch :D |
| 11:36.38 | IDC | just got home |
| 11:37.00 | IDC | NOw i think im gonna go work on it in the next few days cuz ..this job is going to be a bitch |
| 11:37.04 | raf256 | lindi-: me too :) btw, can I leave the current gcc as "gcc-3.4-default" before building my own version? |
| 11:37.08 | brrrt | Guerin: how can this be, i have installed apache common on both of the machines? |
| 11:37.29 | IDC | Good evening,all |
| 11:37.38 | lindi- | raf256: you are supposed to use apt-get --build source as normal user in your homedirectory so it won't break rest of the system |
| 11:37.39 | brrrt | Guerin: also the man - part is missing? |
| 11:37.41 | streuner_ | Mi Mai 11 13:37:40 CEST 2005 |
| 11:37.44 | Filzo | good morning IDC |
| 11:37.55 | toadi | good afternoon IDC |
| 11:37.58 | lindi- | raf256: so you can build your version and benchmark the binaries before installing the packagef |
| 11:38.00 | kjparker | evening |
| 11:38.03 | karsten | toadi: Indeed. |
| 11:38.09 | karsten | IDC: $LOCALTIME to you. |
| 11:38.14 | Filzo | streuner_: Timezone Berlin, Brussels..? |
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| 11:38.21 | IDC | Does anybody agree : If you connect to your ADSL modem via the ethernet card ,then use PPPOE to dial your ISP <not the one in modem>...well.. |
| 11:38.25 | streuner_ | Filzo: germany |
| 11:38.36 | Filzo | streuner_: me too, Hannover |
| 11:38.38 | IDC | in this way,now you have 2 PC,you wannt share internet you only have a switch handy |
| 11:38.40 | kjparker | depends on the modem |
| 11:38.57 | brrrt | Guerin: is there a command for reinstalling a package , e.g. apache-common ? |
| 11:39.03 | lindi- | raf256: also, c++ compilation times have improved in gcc4 |
| 11:39.11 | toadi | karsten, customers always chose one off those two |
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| 11:39.14 | karsten | brrrt: dpkg --install --reinstall <foo> |
| 11:39.22 | brrrt | thx! |
| 11:39.30 | toadi | karsten, me thinks they are the almost the same as maintainig a windows |
| 11:39.41 | karsten | toadi: sles == ? |
| 11:39.43 | IDC | IN this way,is this correct that it either works it out in :1st. USE the built-in PPPOE in modem cuz the switch doesnt support routing . Or. 2nd, install 2 Ethernet cards in either PC,set it up ,connect the other one to it . ? |
| 11:39.46 | kjparker | karsten, have you been watching the a-team again? |
| 11:39.47 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:39.51 | karsten | toadi: SuSE l E-server? |
| 11:40.03 | toadi | karsten,yes |
| 11:40.07 | karsten | toadi: Less spyware. |
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| 11:40.18 | IDC | That guy told me i maybe need to buy a broandband router ,i refused to |
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| 11:40.24 | toadi | karsten, true. but if the server has no internet connection |
| 11:40.25 | karsten | kjparker: ?? |
| 11:40.33 | toadi | karsten, there is no spyware :D |
| 11:40.43 | karsten | toadi: Heh. |
| 11:40.45 | npx | man, I thought steam was gonna suck |
| 11:40.49 | IDC | I think with installing 2 NIC in one PC and set it up properly ,by then still use PPPOE in debian to call ISP will work ? |
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| 11:40.55 | npx | but now that it's here and I'm getting 6 games for $20 without getting off my ass |
| 11:40.58 | npx | It's really grown on me |
| 11:41.07 | ethics | !mplayer |
| 11:41.07 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> |
| 11:41.12 | toadi | npx, i don't like steam |
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| 11:41.31 | toadi | npx, all the updating and sometimes fucking up things with updating |
| 11:41.40 | ethics | hmm whats the mirrillat factoid? |
| 11:41.41 | toadi | npx, not being able to play game without internet connection |
| 11:43.25 | toadi | npx, last one most important one |
| 11:43.25 | ethics | .msg dpkg mplayer |
| 11:43.25 | directhex|work | npx, it's a nice concept, with major execution bugs |
| 11:43.25 | npx | I hated it when I was on dialup |
| 11:43.25 | cymcy | hello. can someone help me for my printer. on the same pc, works under mandrake, works under knoppix, but doesn't under debian. in place of lp0 : using parport0 (pooling) , I have lp0 : using parport0 (interrupt-driven) |
| 11:43.25 | lindi- | ethics: can you update dpkg to inform that mplayer is already waiting in http://qa.debian.org/~anibal/debian-NEW-summary.html ? |
| 11:43.25 | npx | I do feel that it should be optional |
| 11:43.25 | directhex|work | npx, it's been mostly fine for me since the beta, but some people have had bad experiences with steam |
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| 11:43.26 | directhex|work | npx, plus, no linux client which is annoying. damned pro-microsoft valve |
| 11:43.27 | raf256 | I wonder when gcc 4 can be in sarge |
| 11:43.33 | directhex|work | raf256, never |
| 11:43.38 | raf256 | btw sarge is freezed, what does it mean? it will not have any new packags? |
| 11:43.42 | directhex|work | raf256, sarge is frozen. no new package versions. |
| 11:43.55 | raf256 | so we should move to sid then? |
| 11:44.01 | directhex|work | raf256, release critical bug fixes only, before release (in theory) as stable in a month |
| 11:44.07 | raf256 | and use sarge for servers etc same as woody was before? |
| 11:44.35 | npx | directhex|work, deathmatch classic is highly recommended =) |
| 11:44.41 | lindi- | raf256: i would not use sarge right now since there will be many bug fixes before release ;) |
| 11:44.42 | directhex|work | raf256, do you _need_ gcc 4? i think sarge has a healthy desktop life of at least a year in it, before using etch instead becomes vogue |
| 11:44.42 | raf256 | so now sid will be testing, and ther will be new unstable? Is sid yet stable enought to use it normally? |
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| 11:44.54 | lindi- | raf256: sid is always unstable |
| 11:45.01 | m4lu6 | compiling kernel for VIA, would it be good form to set the ARCH to something besides "i386"? |
| 11:45.02 | directhex|work | raf256, sid is unstable. etch will be the new testing, when sarge releases |
| 11:45.10 | raf256 | oh, ok |
| 11:45.16 | directhex|work | m4lu6, c3? |
| 11:45.21 | m4lu6 | directhex|work, aye |
| 11:45.31 | raf256 | so when to to switch to that "etch"? some tutorial about it? |
| 11:45.37 | directhex|work | m4lu6, there should be a nehemia setting in the cpu type bit of menuconfig |
| 11:45.53 | m4lu6 | directhex|work, i know, i found it and set it, |
| 11:45.56 | directhex|work | raf256, when it exists, and the same way you change from woody to sarge, i.e. change sources.list |
| 11:45.56 | streuner_ | raf256: just let the line 'testing' in sources.list |
| 11:46.19 | m4lu6 | but there's an ARCH flag in the make-kpkg command list, not sure if i should set it to someting or not |
| 11:46.20 | directhex|work | m4lu6, if you're feeling fruity, you could hard-code some -march and -mtune flags in the Makefile |
| 11:46.35 | m4lu6 | not setting it doesn't break anything, but kernel compile says , "ARCH=i386" |
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| 11:46.53 | directhex|work | m4lu6, as opposed to powerpc, x86_64, whatever |
| 11:46.57 | win2005 | #join #debian-fr |
| 11:46.58 | Tuttle | I installed Sarge on my computer with 2.6 kernel and noticed that after the boot I have MANY kernel modules loaded for deviced I've never heard of... There is 151 modules loaded... I *think* it is caused when /etc/init.dhotplug is run, there are many messages printed during boot that I cannot read... how could I reduce number of loaded modules to ones I really need? |
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| 11:47.03 | directhex|work | m4lu6, c3 is a subarch of i386, not an arch |
| 11:47.05 | raf256 | btw, there is libc-i686 but no libc-k7, can I easly manualy recompile libc to be --match=k7? |
| 11:47.06 | win2005 | mirde |
| 11:47.14 | m4lu6 | directhex|work, thanks. |
| 11:47.56 | m4lu6 | so i guess i'd append --subarch c3 to my make-kpkg command, then. |
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| 11:48.15 | raf256 | btw, is there some _good_ (popular) general linux NEWS group/server? |
| 11:48.44 | jethro | raf256: no |
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| 11:48.56 | m4lu6 | raf256, alt.binaries.erotica.penguinsex |
| 11:49.08 | raf256 | why not? |
| 11:49.15 | jethro | raf256: because |
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| 11:49.25 | raf256 | but NEWS are better then IRC |
| 11:49.29 | jethro | raf256: try alt.sex.masturbation |
| 11:49.31 | raf256 | for more complicated / longer problems |
| 11:49.43 | m4lu6 | comp.os.* |
| 11:49.48 | raf256 | jethro: congrats, 1st price in stupid IRC responses for You \o/ [1] |
| 11:50.04 | jethro | stupid questions deserve stupid answers |
| 11:50.34 | streuner_ | raf256: www.debian.org and subsribe to a ML there |
| 11:50.37 | m4lu6 | whence cometh the obligatory "no question is a stupid question" retort, i wonder |
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| 11:51.00 | jethro | indeed, there's no such things as stupid questions, just stupid people |
| 11:51.15 | m4lu6 | To that statement, there can be no retort. |
| 11:51.30 | jethro | I gotta know what a retort is I guess |
| 11:51.31 | npx | I will retort. YOU R TEH DUMMYHED. |
| 11:51.55 | jethro | thanks dpkg I now know |
| 11:51.55 | dpkg | jethro: de nada |
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| 11:52.33 | m4lu6 | ok. hopefully the addition of IDE device support to my kernel opts will help this VIA box boot ;) |
| 11:52.35 | m4lu6 | doh |
| 11:52.42 | jethro | heh |
| 11:52.45 | npx | haha m4 |
| 11:52.50 | npx | it could help =) |
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| 11:53.00 | m4lu6 | i got a little overzealous with ripping out opts. |
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| 11:53.21 | npx | hahah yeah we've all been there |
| 11:53.40 | npx | except greycat |
| 11:53.54 | npx | who simply wills unnecessary pages out of memory |
| 11:53.55 | jethro | he's been there too |
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| 11:54.24 | m4lu6 | shite. ARHG. "kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" arhgh. |
| 11:54.29 | m4lu6 | guess i didn't fix that problem after all. |
| 11:54.35 | Crono | how do one login as root?..i tried it from the login..but it said 'root logins not allowed' |
| 11:54.39 | npx | proper filesystem support? |
| 11:54.43 | ericb | I am using a laptop, what kind of connection is the sound card, pnp, pci? |
| 11:54.48 | npx | Crono, ask in #ubuntu ? |
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| 11:54.53 | POVaddict | Crono: /etc/securetty |
| 11:54.56 | Crono | ubuntu? |
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| 11:55.06 | Crono | i'm in knoppix |
| 11:55.11 | streuner_ | haha |
| 11:55.13 | npx | #knoppix then |
| 11:55.13 | Rawplayer | ask in #knoppix |
| 11:55.15 | jethro | Crono: then #knoppix |
| 11:55.16 | simonrvn | then #knoppix |
| 11:55.18 | Rawplayer | !basedon |
| 11:55.19 | jethro | heh |
| 11:55.19 | suifur | !fuck #knoppix |
| 11:55.20 | Crono | ok |
| 11:55.20 | Rawplayer | !based on |
| 11:55.21 | positrix | there is a good reason not to use root logins |
| 11:55.26 | Rawplayer | !knoppix |
| 11:55.26 | Crono | why? |
| 11:55.27 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 11:55.31 | Rawplayer | !notdebian |
| 11:55.31 | dpkg | Debian is all about policy. Policy guides everything. Knoppix does not have Debian policy, ergo it is not Debian. |
| 11:55.34 | liable | ericb: lspci |
| 11:55.37 | streuner_ | Crono: because |
| 11:55.41 | suifur | !fuck Crono |
| 11:55.41 | ericb | liable, thx |
| 11:55.51 | karsten | Say, guys, what's Knoppix? |
| 11:56.04 | streuner_ | Crono: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 11:56.14 | karsten | ericb: PCI, likely. 'lspci' |
| 11:56.29 | jethro | !knoppixsmite Crono |
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| 11:56.37 | positrix | !fuck suifur |
| 11:56.48 | simonrvn | ok ok people |
| 11:56.49 | suifur | YES! |
| 11:56.55 | suifur | again! |
| 11:56.58 | ericb | but I don't see a sound card listed from lspci, I have my two pcmcia, vga, isa bridge, and ide only |
| 11:57.03 | liable | !botsnack |
| 11:57.03 | dpkg | thanks, liable |
| 11:57.07 | npx | this is getting me a bit randy |
| 11:57.09 | suifur | !botabuse |
| 11:57.09 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 11:57.13 | simonrvn | @fuck suifur |
| 11:57.20 | suifur | hooray |
| 11:57.25 | suifur | @botabuse |
| 11:57.31 | suifur | sweet |
| 11:57.35 | ericb | I am just gonna load a sb modules and see what happens |
| 11:58.17 | karsten | !tell ericb about sound |
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| 11:59.22 | liable | ericb: what is that, see a multimedia controller line? |
| 11:59.39 | ericb | !dpkg sound |
| 11:59.39 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
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| 12:00.27 | ericb | liable: pardon? |
| 12:00.28 | ethics | ericb if your a 2.6 kernel alsa is in the kernel |
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| 12:00.38 | Leira | is there any tool under windows like debmirror to mirror debian mirrors? |
| 12:00.42 | Scruffy | salut |
| 12:00.45 | ericb | ethics: no its 2.4 |
| 12:00.45 | Scruffy | pourriez vous m'aider , |
| 12:00.49 | Scruffy | ???? |
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| 12:00.56 | bbrazil | !fr |
| 12:00.56 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 12:01.09 | jethro | !irritate Scruffy |
| 12:01.10 | dpkg | Scruffy: wenas who uses kde hello? |
| 12:01.10 | spiorf | !it |
| 12:01.11 | dpkg | [italian] per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 12:01.13 | Leira | i want to take an i386 mirror |
| 12:01.16 | liable | ericb: in lspci, no multimedia audio controller line, laptop? |
| 12:01.24 | ethics | ericb: good luck...i had to go 2.6 as 2.4 was dicky |
| 12:01.27 | ericb | liable: nope |
| 12:01.36 | ericb | and pnpdump reports no sound card |
| 12:01.50 | ericb | or no boards found |
| 12:01.51 | Leira | there is only 2 windoze box can be online in my company |
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| 12:02.09 | Leira | so i have to mirror debian under windows |
| 12:02.11 | zamolxes | Leira: well dig on it, i think it's a perl script. install perl for windows, check for additional tools it uses |
| 12:02.17 | liable | ericb: what *is* it, or you dunno? |
| 12:02.19 | ericb | !dpkg isapnpsound |
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| 12:02.34 | ericb | liable: 2.4 kernel over here |
| 12:02.47 | ericb | !dpkg isapnp sound |
| 12:02.47 | dpkg | (0) determine which module to use; (1) pnpdump -c >/etc/isapnp.conf; isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf; (2) read /etc/isapnp.conf and get the IO, IRQ and DMA; (3) echo "options MODULE io=IO irq=IRQ dma=DMA" >> /etc/modutils/sound; update-modules; (4) modprobe MODULE; (5) cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp; (6) adduser USERNAME audio |
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| 12:03.32 | zamolxes | Leira: well, it's all perl. just install perl and it should work |
| 12:03.35 | Leira | zamolxes: maybe it's an idea, but it is not easy to~ |
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| 12:03.54 | Leira | and it denpend on some perl libs |
| 12:03.57 | kart_ | Hi! How can I use IIIMF in OpenOffice.org ? Is there any issue with it?? |
| 12:04.14 | Leira | zamolxes: and bzip2 |
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| 12:05.07 | nCypherer | Morning |
| 12:05.12 | kart_ | sorry ! put it on wrong tab! debian instead of OO.o! |
| 12:05.21 | Leira | zamolxes: ;) the damn thing is: i even cannot use administrator user of the windoz box, just a restrict common user |
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| 12:08.41 | zamolxes | Leira: and the problem is ? i don't think you need some special rights to run perl |
| 12:10.11 | giupy | can i run installation of sarge from an hd where i have copied the 2 dvd of sarge ? |
| 12:10.32 | Noid | what is a good ntsc tv card that works with bttv under debian? i know about pal ones but i'm lost about ntsc |
| 12:10.50 | resiak | giupy: Not easily. Do you have a fast internet connection? |
| 12:11.12 | ethics | search for bttv gallery or ask mythtv-users |
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| 12:11.17 | giupy | resiak? why? i have just all pkgs copied in the hd |
| 12:11.49 | Noid | thanks |
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| 12:12.13 | ethics | you going to sarge from woody? |
| 12:12.21 | pzn | Hi! If I create a file in /etc/cron.d/myfile, will I have to reload/restart cron? |
| 12:12.24 | giupy | no :) i explain |
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| 12:12.55 | resiak | giupy: *sigh* why did you download it all? |
| 12:13.11 | giupy | i want to install sarge on a notebook without dvdrom,floppy and adsl, but i can connect an externsl hd with debian preinstalled with all pkgs of sarge |
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| 12:13.15 | ethics | man cron.....i think not but check |
| 12:13.23 | Leira | zamolxes: en~ i am collecting modules debmirror depend on from CPAN |
| 12:13.27 | giupy | resiak i have only copied my dvd set |
| 12:13.46 | liable | pzn: prolly, just do it, not hard |
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| 12:14.46 | cmatheson | hey, so i haven't used this computer for 2 years and i forgot the root password (i know, i'm retarded...). how can i recover from this? |
| 12:14.51 | ethics | giupy not easy....what os is the lappy atm? |
| 12:15.07 | giupy | lappy atm ??? |
| 12:15.12 | resiak | !forgot root password |
| 12:15.18 | giupy | sorry i don't understand |
| 12:15.19 | cmatheson | resiak: thanks |
| 12:15.34 | resiak | cmatheson: I can't remember the factoid name, hang on :-) |
| 12:15.41 | cmatheson | ok |
| 12:15.47 | resiak | dpkg: test |
| 12:15.48 | dpkg | Yes, resiak, you're still online. |
| 12:15.48 | ethics | cmatheson: use a live cd mount drive wipe in passwd to blank |
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| 12:16.20 | resiak | !tell cmatheson -about i forgot root's password |
| 12:16.38 | pzn | which is the best method for my program to install a cron job (it will be used in Debian, but must also be compatible with others)? |
| 12:17.03 | cmatheson | thanks guys, i'll give it a whirl |
| 12:17.12 | ethics | pzn echo ? |
| 12:17.48 | pzn | ethics, echo to /etc/crontab? |
| 12:17.54 | ethics | pzn shell script echo a variable into script |
| 12:18.11 | ethics | pzn should work i think |
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| 12:18.26 | giupy | so...any idea? |
| 12:18.40 | jethro | !any idea |
| 12:18.40 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little vegemite, and 42 sex-crazed dairy cows. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 12:18.47 | bowman | to write to /etc/crontab you need root rights. |
| 12:18.49 | nCypherer | resiak, ahaha you said 'factoid' .. so there *is* another person in IRC land that knows what that is and its a real word ;-) |
| 12:18.51 | giupy | :)) |
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| 12:18.58 | giupy | i didn't remember it |
| 12:19.05 | ethics | giupy: can you boot from usb? |
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| 12:19.19 | jethro | !do resiak |
| 12:19.31 | pzn | ethics, sorry... I didn't get it. what do you mean by "variable"?I should add "*/5 * * * * /path/myscript" to crontab. I'll have root rights. Can you give me an example? |
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| 12:19.36 | giupy | ethics yeah |
| 12:19.44 | pzn | bowman, I'll have root rights |
| 12:19.49 | ethics | nCypherer: i know them just dont know how to get index etc hehe |
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| 12:20.02 | resiak | nCypherer: Heh. |
| 12:20.03 | bowman | pzn: k |
| 12:20.39 | giupy | i can boot from thaT HD WITH DEBIAN PREINSTALLED |
| 12:20.44 | giupy | ops |
| 12:20.51 | bowman | just try with the /etc/crontab approach :) |
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| 12:20.56 | sam_in | what is proxy and what is application proxy |
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| 12:21.30 | resiak | !tell giupy -about debootstrap |
| 12:21.31 | karsten | sam_in: GIYF. |
| 12:21.33 | resiak | giupy: Does that help? |
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| 12:21.43 | sam_in | ? |
| 12:21.45 | bowman | pzn: are you coding in C? |
| 12:21.52 | ethics | well if the line is always the same then a shellscript with echo >> /etc/crontab whould work...if it changes then you will need to make some sort of variable string for the line |
| 12:21.54 | karsten | !tell sam_in about giyf |
| 12:22.57 | giupy | i see |
| 12:23.04 | dubian | hello trying to get alsa to sound nice... sombody any hints?? |
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| 12:23.08 | pzn | bowman, yes in C; but install will be a Makefile. then I can echo >> /etc/crontab |
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| 12:23.23 | npx | dubian, invest in a sound card that doesn't suck, then use OSS =) |
| 12:23.23 | bowman | pzn: ah, I see. yeah, just try it then ;) |
| 12:23.32 | bowman | pzn: I thought you wanted to do it from the running program. |
| 12:23.43 | ethics | dubian: more info |
| 12:23.50 | mooded | hey all.. anybody knows if theres a way to get "patch" to create missing directories ? (or svn diff to export information about additionally created directories ?) |
| 12:24.30 | dubian | my soundcard doesn't suck (sb live 7.1) and alsa is supposed to be better than oos isnt it |
| 12:24.38 | mooded | oops.. wrong chan. |
| 12:24.59 | dubian | well i've got sound but it plays with ticks... |
| 12:25.00 | pzn | dubian, I just did "apt-get install alsa-oss alsa-base alsa-utils" and my card worked magically. |
| 12:25.12 | ethics | dubian: alsa is prolly newer...better depends on needs but yeah alsa for most |
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| 12:25.50 | ethics | dubian: so whats the actual problem? |
| 12:25.57 | ericb | !dpkg sound |
| 12:25.58 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
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| 12:26.53 | dubian | already got alsa-oss |
| 12:26.58 | resiak | ericb: You don't need both "!" and "dpkg" |
| 12:27.08 | sam_in | !modconf |
| 12:27.08 | dpkg | [modconf] a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules |
| 12:27.13 | ericb | resiak: oh, thx |
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| 12:27.26 | positrix | is there a free (gpl) un-rarring tool? |
| 12:27.28 | dubian | oooh and did I mention I'm using sarge?? |
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| 12:28.00 | resiak | !rar |
| 12:28.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz ;), or unrar to unrar things, or the worst file format ever, designed by morons FFS, use split and cat like a sane person!, or (better get parchive too, lest your pr0n be incomplete) |
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| 12:28.08 | resiak | !unrar |
| 12:28.08 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
| 12:28.12 | cmatheson | okok, root is back. thanks everyone |
| 12:28.16 | resiak | positrix: ^^ |
| 12:28.18 | resiak | cmatheson: No problem. |
| 12:28.33 | npx | Unfortunately, 99% of .rar files are V3, and the Free unrar package doesn't give a helpful error |
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| 12:28.39 | npx | it sorta leads you to believe the file is corrupt |
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| 12:28.52 | npx | I think they did that just to fuck with warez d00dz |
| 12:28.54 | resiak | npx: Dare I ask how often you use RARs for legal stuff? |
| 12:29.01 | npx | Never |
| 12:29.20 | npx | But to console you, I use it rarely! |
| 12:29.22 | cmatheson | anyway, i have a new problem... it may have been too long since i have used a computer... it says (hey where do i dump 4 line error messages?) |
| 12:29.25 | positrix | i uses a rar file about 2-3 times a year. |
| 12:29.32 | resiak | !topicsmite cmatheson |
| 12:29.34 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon cmatheson. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 12:29.39 | karsten | npx: Nothing like nonstandar standards. |
| 12:29.47 | ethics | dubian: what kernel and what is your actual problem? |
| 12:29.57 | karsten | !tell cmatheson about #flood |
| 12:29.57 | resiak | npx: I've never heard of them used for legal stuffs. Ever. There was some guy on here a while back who was insisting that it was legal. Turned out it was a Partition Magic ISO :-/ |
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| 12:30.11 | pzn | positrix, you can use mrtg to plot the times you use rar per year :-) |
| 12:30.11 | cmatheson | oh, sorry |
| 12:30.44 | npx | resiak, Yeah I don't even try to pretend I use them for legal stuff, I typically get games in .rar format, and if they're good I buy them |
| 12:30.47 | dubian | 2.6.11 it sounds like somebody has put some really crappy equaliser between my comp and amp... |
| 12:31.13 | slushpupie | I just updated my sarge workstation, and now gdm dosnt work. I get this error in syslog: gdm[23405]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Re |
| 12:31.13 | slushpupie | starting :0 |
| 12:31.23 | cmatheson | apt is telling me that my "Dynamic MMap ran out of room, and that it's having problems w/ Mergelist (the message is there in #flood) |
| 12:31.37 | slushpupie | if I turn debug mode on, it works fine |
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| 12:31.52 | npx | I truly hate dropping $30-60 on a game (Doom 3, I'm looking at you) only to realize it's not worth the hard drive space it's installed on |
| 12:31.53 | ethics | i found a howto on one of the alsa pages which may help but im buggered if i know where atm...work pc has link |
| 12:31.53 | ericb | when I do adduser username sound, it ays "The group'sound" doesn't exist" |
| 12:32.06 | resiak | !tell cmatheson -about mmap |
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| 12:32.23 | cmatheson | resiak: thanks again |
| 12:32.27 | jharrisonwk | npx: its basically doom 2 redone |
| 12:32.29 | resiak | cmatheson: No worrkes. |
| 12:32.59 | nono31 | I tried to run "screen btdownloadcurses.bittorrent " but it does not workd... someone knows why? |
| 12:33.06 | ethics | search for cheap alsa sound oos and start looking....8) wasn't hard to find |
| 12:33.26 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 12:33.26 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 12:33.41 | mary | stracing gedit/mozilla/and few other apps - shows it trying to stat ALL everything in my home dir - wondering why ! |
| 12:34.47 | npx | As an aside, what encryption algorithms are there that are also (fairly) effective compression algorithms? |
| 12:35.00 | jharrisonwk | what exactly is IT that is trying to stat ALL in your home dir |
| 12:35.03 | liable | looks like I doesnt work, as I do all of the above :) |
| 12:35.44 | cmatheson | crap, when i try to run apt-get upgrade apt is trying to get rid of all of my x-windows stuff... is that a widespread problem right now? |
| 12:35.49 | jharrisonwk | looks like this channels IQ dropped a few points during the night |
| 12:35.55 | mary | jharrisonwk: was referring to stracing the proggies mentioned in the same line |
| 12:35.55 | resiak | npx: bzip2 and gpg ! |
| 12:36.02 | t_scytale | mary. you mean that all the mentioned apps stat your ~? |
| 12:36.17 | t_scytale | prob cause they are looking for user conf files ? |
| 12:36.29 | mary | t_scytale: all the files within the home dir |
| 12:36.38 | jharrisonwk | mary: what is the working directory when you strace |
| 12:36.39 | cmatheson | just kidding i might be able to fix this |
| 12:36.42 | POVaddict | mary: is LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to your home dir? |
| 12:37.52 | mary | jharrisonwk: thought about that - changed cwd and tried that |
| 12:37.53 | mary | POVaddict: no |
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| 12:38.41 | jharrisonwk | mary: and did changing cwd make a difference? |
| 12:38.43 | ericb | ! sound |
| 12:38.43 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 12:39.01 | simonrvn | ericb: /msg dpkg next time. thanks |
| 12:39.19 | mary | jharrisonwk: no - it did not make a difference - it still tries to stat all the files |
| 12:39.22 | liable | ericb: you can also scroll back up to the last time you did that :) |
| 12:39.33 | npx | I had a neat idea, and I wanted to bounce it off you guys: what do you think about using Rendezvous to autoconfigure XDMCP? |
| 12:39.36 | mary | hm - just have a vague feeling that - its got something to do with fontconfig |
| 12:39.37 | ericb | my bad |
| 12:39.49 | mary | but may be i am totally wrong here |
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| 12:41.26 | toptnc | hi all |
| 12:41.32 | notty | is there an php web page that i can download and use as a project page for my program ? |
| 12:41.41 | nCypherer | ? |
| 12:41.51 | jharrisonwk | uh oh |
| 12:42.01 | nCypherer | notty, double u tea eff do you mean ? |
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| 12:42.03 | jharrisonwk | USA is trying to push Real ID |
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| 12:42.24 | jharrisonwk | that not good |
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| 12:42.35 | jetscreamer | wht is real id |
| 12:42.37 | gladius | salve |
| 12:42.45 | nCypherer | jharrisonwk, context needed. USA the country or the TV station ? |
| 12:42.48 | cahoot | is this debian related? |
| 12:42.53 | jharrisonwk | USA the country |
| 12:42.54 | npx | jharrisonwk, do what I'm doing: save up some cash and get the fuck outta dodge. |
| 12:43.00 | notty | nCypherer: i want a page for my program.. with docs download sections etc...... can i download a php web site for that ? |
| 12:43.03 | jharrisonwk | npx: im in bahamas |
| 12:43.03 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 12:43.08 | npx | jharrisonwk, nevermind =) |
| 12:43.12 | jharrisonwk | http://www.unrealid.com/ |
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| 12:43.27 | jharrisonwk | http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/05/11/0119205.shtml?tid=158&tid=103&tid=172&tid=219 |
| 12:43.29 | ericb | if I have successfully installed a sound driver, does that mean the driver works for sure? |
| 12:43.31 | positrix | had this conversation last night in #emacs... |
| 12:43.37 | jharrisonwk | slashdot alerted me to this shiat |
| 12:43.47 | nCypherer | all emac users are evil |
| 12:43.53 | cahoot | ericb: alsa? |
| 12:44.11 | mikeKJL | cahoot, no I mean, like a module, I install sb using modconf |
| 12:44.12 | jharrisonwk | http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/05/09/1624216.shtml?tid=172 |
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| 12:44.42 | nCypherer | positrix, :-) I will learn it one day, but not this decade. |
| 12:44.46 | zaikxtox | hello. is there a postgresql 8.0.x package for debian sarge or sid? |
| 12:44.53 | zaikxtox | what about inclusion plans? |
| 12:45.01 | mary | thousands and thousands of chunks like these in the output of "strace gedit" - http://rafb.net/paste/results/2qDFsV85.html |
| 12:45.20 | Unskill3d | hi! how do i create a tar.bzip2 archive of a directory with one command ? |
| 12:45.25 | cahoot | ericb: sb being an OSS module? then try cat something to /dev/dsp |
| 12:45.49 | nCypherer | jharrisonwk, you know why they are pushing for it right? USA's retirees supposed to be living in boxes over here soon as money is running out (too many ppl skipping paying into pensions or something). |
| 12:45.53 | resiak | Unskill3d: man tar |
| 12:45.57 | Gnuhuhu | tar -cjvf file.tar.bz2 yourfile |
| 12:45.58 | positrix | tar -R directory | bzip2 ?? |
| 12:45.59 | NaGaJaRa_[MdC]_ | hi |
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| 12:46.01 | mikeKJL | cahoot, since sb installed successfull, then I must have an sb compatible sound card, true? |
| 12:46.06 | resiak | Unskill3d: tar -cjvf tarball.tar Directory/ ? |
| 12:46.07 | nCypherer | notice its 'old people' who are most worried |
| 12:46.14 | Gnuhuhu | nop |
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| 12:46.18 | Gnuhuhu | .tar.bz2 |
| 12:46.38 | resiak | Unskill3d: tar -cjvf tarball.tar.bz2 Directory/ ? # File extensions make 0 difference on Linux. |
| 12:46.48 | cahoot | ericb: not true - means the module is compatible with the kernel |
| 12:46.49 | mikeKJL | cahoot,I get an input/output error |
| 12:46.57 | Unskill3d | weird i got some probs while doing so |
| 12:47.05 | Unskill3d | the force is important ? |
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| 12:47.35 | K_Dallas | How do i replace spaces in a series of file names with underscore? (all at once of course) thanks |
| 12:47.35 | mikeKJL | cahoot, when I cat /dev/dsp |
| 12:47.41 | resiak | mikeKJL: Did you have to change your name completely? |
| 12:47.41 | doub | Unskill3d: depends on which side of the force you are |
| 12:47.47 | resiak | mikeKJL: uname -r ? |
| 12:47.47 | lindi- | Unskill3d: f is not force |
| 12:47.48 | Unskill3d | =) |
| 12:47.48 | stouset | K_Dallas: sed? |
| 12:48.05 | K_Dallas | never used it but ok, i am going to man it thanks |
| 12:48.15 | Unskill3d | ach -file |
| 12:48.16 | stouset | K_Dallas: Actually, rename would be better. |
| 12:48.17 | mikeKJL_ericb | resiak, 2.2 |
| 12:48.20 | Unskill3d | ok thx guys |
| 12:48.25 | resiak | mikeKJL_ericb: No, uname -r |
| 12:48.28 | Eclipser | . |
| 12:48.34 | cahoot | ericb: cat 'some file' > /dev/dsp |
| 12:48.36 | K_Dallas | stouset, renaming one at a time? |
| 12:48.37 | stouset | something like "rename 's/ /_/'" would do it, I think. |
| 12:48.42 | mikeKJL_ericb | 2.2.20 |
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| 12:48.43 | Eclipser | wrong termi... |
| 12:48.45 | stouset | K_Dallas: let me test it quick |
| 12:48.46 | K_Dallas | i see, thank you |
| 12:48.51 | K_Dallas | ok:) |
| 12:48.55 | resiak | mikeKJL_ericb: No, uname -r |
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| 12:49.08 | resiak | mikeKJL_ericb: How many bloody times do I have to ask you to actually paste what uname -r says?# |
| 12:49.19 | mikeKJL_ericb | resiak, yeah, that what i did, and it give 2.2.20 |
| 12:49.25 | resiak | mikeKJL_ericb: Hmm, fair enough. Sorry. |
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| 12:49.34 | stouset | "rename 's/ /_/' *" should do the trick |
| 12:49.35 | resiak | mikeKJL_ericb: Is this a Woody install kernel? |
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| 12:50.15 | K_Dallas | stouset, it only works on the first blank space |
| 12:50.24 | jharrisonwk | the problem is that if the USA does Real ID that means sooner or later everyone else will |
| 12:50.28 | mikeKJL_ericb | cahoot, you are a friggin ninja, I heard sound, I feal like doing the villager electricity dance |
| 12:50.30 | K_Dallas | there are more than one and not all at the same place |
| 12:50.44 | mikeKJL_ericb | resiak, yep, everyone asks me about that |
| 12:50.48 | resiak | K_Dallas: 's/ /_/g' |
| 12:50.55 | resiak | !tell mikeKJL_ericb -about real kernel |
| 12:51.05 | resiak | mikeKJL_ericb: You _must_ have been told about real kernel before. |
| 12:51.16 | basti_ | hey guys... i keep having problems with locales: apt-get update's will sometimes break them (getting "Cannot set X to default locale: No such file..." messages). I can dpkg-reconfigure locales, but that doesn't help (despite the reconfiguration working flawless). What is "a locale" (besides "something for localisation" - what is it good for?), why won't programs degrade gracefully if they're missing, why are these files missing, how can i help |
| 12:51.21 | mary | figured out the reason.. it was fontconfig |
| 12:51.31 | K_Dallas | stouset, excellent, thanks man |
| 12:51.33 | mikeKJL_ericb | resiak, I am new to Linux, I am still trying to get sound working |
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| 12:51.39 | K_Dallas | oops resiak :) |
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| 12:51.45 | K_Dallas | and stouset :) |
| 12:51.51 | npx | mikeKJL_ericb, if this is a desktop, I strongly suggest sarge |
| 12:51.59 | peope | Is foo [foo] <foo.com> a valid from-address? |
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| 12:52.03 | resiak | mikeKJL_ericb: I know. That's why I'm telling you to use a real kernel :-) |
| 12:52.36 | mikeKJL_ericb | cat somefile > /dev/dsp worked. But I don't know what to do next |
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| 12:52.55 | mikeKJL_ericb | resiak: Gosh, you trying to tell me that sound can't work until I upgrade kernel |
| 12:53.14 | mikeKJL_ericb | I will upgrade kernel tomarow, today I want some sound |
| 12:53.28 | resiak | mikeKJL_ericb: Why did you install Woody? |
| 12:53.32 | TinoW | mikeKJL_ericb: your cat produces sound actually? |
| 12:53.33 | npx | drags me down like some sweet gravittttyyyyyyyy |
| 12:53.35 | resiak | !tell mikeKJL_ericb -about d-i |
| 12:53.51 | npx | Guerin, you there? |
| 12:53.58 | basti_ | !tell basti_ -about real kernel |
| 12:54.04 | POVaddict | mikeKJL_ericb: why did you install woody with the old (2.2) kernel? there is also bf24 (2.4 kernel) in woody |
| 12:54.16 | resiak | !tell basti_ -about msgdpkg |
| 12:54.23 | directhex|work | mikeKJL_ericb, woody is useless on a desktop, especially one made after january 2002 |
| 12:54.37 | npx | Sarge is very servicable though |
| 12:54.44 | basti_ | resiak: i understood that before, thanks. i just wanted to see the message |
| 12:54.47 | mikeKJL_ericb | Last get past this kernel talk, I am happy with my woody so screw yall |
| 12:55.00 | npx | If you're new to Linux, you might give some thought to Ubuntu/Kubuntu |
| 12:55.02 | basti_ | am i a bad guy because i compiled my kernel myself and installed it by hand? |
| 12:55.04 | POVaddict | directhex|work: well, if he has to use the sb module, they hardware can't be very new |
| 12:55.07 | resiak | mikeKJL_ericb: You won't be happy with Woody for long? |
| 12:55.10 | resiak | !debian kernel |
| 12:55.10 | dpkg | methinks debian kernel is see kp |
| 12:55.11 | resiak | !debian kernels |
| 12:55.16 | resiak | directhex|work: Where's your factoid? |
| 12:55.21 | Eclipser | !ko |
| 12:55.21 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 12:55.21 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 12:55.21 | dpkg | it has been said that ko is KNOCK OUT |
| 12:55.23 | Eclipser | whops |
| 12:55.27 | Eclipser | !kp |
| 12:55.27 | dpkg | kp is, like, To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 12:55.39 | npx | POVaddict he could just have an oldschool soundblaster PCI card (I know I've got a few) |
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| 12:56.38 | POVaddict | npx: oh, didn't know that |
| 12:57.11 | directhex|work | mikeKJL_ericb, you're being an irritating obtuse moron. your current kernel does not support your sound card. change kernel, or get no sound. deal with it. |
| 12:57.12 | POVaddict | npx: i thought soundblaster pci is only es1371 |
| 12:57.22 | directhex|work | POVaddict, there were pci sb16's |
| 12:57.45 | mikeKJL_ericb | directhex|work: You guys are saying 2.2.20 can't have sound, OK, Darn. |
| 12:57.45 | npx | yeah, the es1371 represents a minority |
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| 12:57.58 | basti_ | so no idea? |
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| 12:58.07 | mikeKJL_ericb | directhex|work: so how do I upgrade kernel, does it require a reboot |
| 12:58.12 | npx | basti_, I don't know what the question is... |
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| 12:58.33 | basti_ | again: i keep having problems with locales after apt-get update sometimes. |
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| 12:58.43 | basti_ | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 12:58.56 | basti_ | i tried "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 12:58.58 | directhex|work | mikeKJL_ericb, 2.2.20-idepci does not have sound modules. idepci and bf are kernels for installation, they don't have any actual use modules, only things to help install the system (disk controllers for example). |
| 12:58.58 | basti_ | didn't help |
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| 12:59.15 | mikeKJL_ericb | when I do cat filename > /dev/dsp, I hear sound from system speaker, not the headphone jack |
| 12:59.36 | npx | basti_, I'm not at all familiar with configuring that, sorry |
| 12:59.45 | mikeKJL_ericb | directhex|work: but when I do lsmod, I have sb there, and sound |
| 13:00.24 | basti_ | This seems to be an eternal issue with debian, so i would be glad about any pointer to any information about the way "locales" are organized in debian |
| 13:01.19 | mikeKJL_ericb | Man I am getting nervous, all I want is some sound, and you guys are telling me I gotta upgrade the kernel, what is gonna happen then, I have reinstall all my apps |
| 13:01.39 | giupy | how can i write in lilo.config an initrd.list ? |
| 13:01.47 | directhex|work | mikeKJL_ericb, why would changing your kernel neccessitate reinstalling all your applications? |
| 13:01.58 | liable | mikeKJL_ericb: bah, dont be silly, just apt-get install kernel-blah and reboot |
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| 13:02.06 | mikeKJL_ericb | How are you sure its woody also, cause I am pretty sure I used my bf2 flavour disks, not the woody |
| 13:02.13 | Guerin | liable: it CAN be more complicated than that on woody |
| 13:02.14 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: why are they telling you to install a new kernel? |
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| 13:02.21 | Guerin | mikeKJL_ericb: bf24 IS woody |
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| 13:02.40 | mikeKJL_ericb | caphuso, because they say 2.2.20 doesn't support sound |
| 13:02.46 | liable | Guerin: what, like re-installing all apps? |
| 13:02.52 | Guerin | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 13:02.58 | npx | Guerin, hey dude, is rimu trying to shaft you on your credits? when I mentioned it to him on yahoo messenger he said you weren't a customer, so you might want to contact them |
| 13:03.00 | lindi- | mikeKJL_ericb: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 and you should have support for many audio cards |
| 13:03.03 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: but "cat foo > /dev/dsp" let's you hear white noise? |
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| 13:03.23 | liable | Guerin: why is installing a new 2.4 kernel on woody hard? |
| 13:03.23 | Guerin | npx: tell them my site is feayn.org |
| 13:03.31 | npx | rgr that |
| 13:03.44 | directhex|work | liable, lilo.conf fiddles? |
| 13:03.51 | mikeKJL_ericb | caphuso, is what they are saying correct? |
| 13:03.58 | Guerin | liable: what hex said |
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| 13:04.15 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: maybe. maybe not. what does "uname -r" say? |
| 13:04.19 | liable | I dont get it |
| 13:04.45 | directhex|work | liable, for initrds and things. woody is a big fucking pain |
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| 13:05.11 | templar | hi |
| 13:05.15 | caphuso | directhex|work: maybe for you |
| 13:05.18 | liable | directhex|work: ok, why cant you just edit it, and be done with it? |
| 13:05.21 | npx | Unless you're running a DNS server on a k6-2 400 or something, Sarge is a much better bet. |
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| 13:05.49 | caphuso | directhex|work: everyone else needs just to follow the simple instructions the kernel image packages tell you |
| 13:06.14 | pi | I installed php4-imagick and I cannot get it to work. |
| 13:06.22 | pi | I can't even get the example scripts to run. |
| 13:06.22 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 13:06.23 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:06.28 | directhex|work | liable, this is a user who thinks he needs to reinstall all his apps after a kernel upgrade. you think he'll handle editing a config file? |
| 13:06.41 | templar | does anyone of you know how to decrease the lifetime of arp entries? |
| 13:06.58 | Guerin | liable: man lilo |
| 13:07.15 | jethro | rhum and coca cola |
| 13:07.18 | liable | directhex|work: well, ok, but its not really that hard though is it? |
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| 13:07.26 | Guerin | i prescribe a full course of d-i |
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| 13:07.48 | npx | I prescribe ubuntu |
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| 13:08.14 | npx | It's sorta like teh shallow end of the debian pool imo |
| 13:08.17 | pi | well, the imagick functions calls are invalid. |
| 13:08.17 | jethro | I prescribe not using a computer |
| 13:08.39 | directhex|work | liable, depends. woody has never been worth the CDRs for me. |
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| 13:09.10 | Guerin | directhex|work: that's because you don't run any mmission-critical servers :) |
| 13:09.17 | faber2 | is there a server side emule to install on linux which has an web interface ? |
| 13:09.20 | Guerin | (with anything other than redhat) |
| 13:09.40 | liable | Guerin: well, I dont use lilo, but what is it, three lines, I fail to see the big deal, but I of course may be wrong. |
| 13:10.12 | Guerin | liable: which three lines? You and I might know, but J. Random Eejit sure don't |
| 13:10.28 | jethro | he knows everything |
| 13:10.33 | mikeKJL_ericb | so if I upgrade to kernel 2.2.20-idepci, then when I run pnpdump, it will find a sound card? |
| 13:10.34 | liable | Guerin: thats what your here for :) |
| 13:10.55 | Guerin | mikeKJL_ericb: apt-get install kernel-image-1.4.18-1-386 |
| 13:10.57 | Guerin | eh |
| 13:10.58 | liable | jethro: ? |
| 13:10.59 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: hell, no. -idepci doesn't have sound support |
| 13:11.00 | Guerin | 2.4.18 |
| 13:11.03 | jethro | mikeKJL_ericb: if you plan to have a kernel upgrade, get a more recent one |
| 13:11.10 | jethro | liable: ? |
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| 13:11.13 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: again, what the hell does "uname -r" say? |
| 13:11.15 | Guerin | liable: my here? |
| 13:11.30 | mikeKJL_ericb | caphuso, 2.2.20, I said that thrice |
| 13:11.33 | liable | Guerin: to help, I thought |
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| 13:11.38 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: just "2.2.20"? nothing else? |
| 13:11.40 | Guerin | that is not a kernel version string |
| 13:12.23 | Guerin | liable: sorry, I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I'm here to take the piss and flame people. |
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| 13:12.33 | liable | hehe :) |
| 13:12.44 | mikeKJL_ericb | caphuso, yep nothing else |
| 13:12.48 | npx | I'm here for the chicks |
| 13:12.52 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: then you already sound support in your kernel |
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| 13:13.48 | mikeKJL_ericb | caphuso, can you step me through getting sound working? |
| 13:13.51 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: next thing... "cat /bin/ls > /dev/dsp", exit with ctrl-c. do you hear weird noise? |
| 13:14.20 | mikeKJL_ericb | caphuso: Yep |
| 13:14.30 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: your sound is already working |
| 13:14.34 | jethro | npx: there aren't many chicks on #debian |
| 13:14.40 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: go tell anyone claiming something else that they're morons |
| 13:14.59 | mikeKJL_ericb | caphuso: But i hear the nose from onboard speaker, not through headphone jack |
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| 13:15.23 | POVaddict | mikeKJL_ericb: apt-get install aumix |
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| 13:15.51 | mikeKJL_ericb | POVaddict: I tried gom, no luck |
| 13:15.53 | POVaddict | mikeKJL_ericb: gom? |
| 13:15.54 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: did you see a lot of stuff flash by on your monitor when you ran that cat command? |
| 13:16.09 | mikeKJL_ericb | caphuso: no |
| 13:16.24 | mikeKJL_ericb | POVaddict: is aumix, somthin diff, ok, let me try it |
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| 13:18.18 | jethro | moin abrotman |
| 13:18.23 | abrotman | morning sir |
| 13:18.32 | abrotman | how are the idiots today? |
| 13:18.35 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:18.38 | mikeKJL_ericb | POVaddict: aumix doesn't run |
| 13:18.38 | jethro | numerous |
| 13:18.48 | caphuso | ,m |
| 13:18.56 | abrotman | ok .. life is normal .. carry on |
| 13:19.05 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: error message |
| 13:19.07 | abrotman | jethro: oh wait .. i meant my bosses .. not here :) |
| 13:19.13 | jethro | ah ok |
| 13:19.14 | POVaddict | mikeKJL_ericb: if it is a very old SB card, it doesnt have a software controlled mixer |
| 13:19.14 | caphuso | mikeKJL_ericb: those are _important_ |
| 13:19.34 | mikeKJL_ericb | error opening mixer |
| 13:20.01 | mikeKJL_ericb | POVaddict: its an old laptop |
| 13:20.44 | abrotman | how old ? |
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| 13:20.44 | mikeKJL_ericb | pI |
| 13:20.44 | streuner_ | mikeKJL_ericb: are you sure you a soundchip in that laptop? |
| 13:20.44 | POVaddict | mikeKJL_ericb: and you know for sure the soundcard is a soundblaster? |
| 13:20.44 | streuner_ | mikeKJL_ericb: have* |
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| 13:20.45 | abrotman | mikeKJL_ericb: did you check linux-laptop.net for pointers? |
| 13:20.48 | caphuso | he's got a working /dev/dsp, FFS |
| 13:20.51 | mikeKJL_ericb | streuner, no, how can I find out besides, opening the laptop |
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| 13:20.53 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:21.04 | abrotman | well .. i'll just go do something i should be doing :) |
| 13:21.20 | streuner_ | mikeKJL_ericb: tell us 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' |
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| 13:21.44 | POVaddict | streuner_: i doubt it is a pci card |
| 13:21.50 | abrotman | lspci |
| 13:21.53 | mikeKJL_ericb | pcilib: proc_read: tried to read 64 bytes at 64, but got only 0 |
| 13:21.54 | abrotman | if you want to know |
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| 13:22.18 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 13:22.51 | mikeKJL_ericb | my sound card isn't listed under lspci |
| 13:22.53 | streuner_ | mikeKJL_ericb: tell us the exact model of that laptop |
| 13:23.23 | abrotman | linux-laptop.net .. yay |
| 13:23.25 | mikeKJL_ericb | streuner_: Compaq Armada 7350MT |
| 13:23.28 | caphuso | what a surprise, a pentium-1 laptop without a PCI sound card in it... |
| 13:23.39 | RichiH | caphuso: heh |
| 13:24.30 | abrotman | i bet it's like .. scsi or something |
| 13:24.52 | mikeKJL_ericb | where are the bootup messages saved to, i can't remember? |
| 13:24.55 | ircdevil | !laptop |
| 13:24.55 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 13:25.05 | POVaddict | no exact match on linux-laptop.net, but the 7370 has a crappy ess1878 sound card |
| 13:25.11 | streuner_ | there is no entry for that laptop |
| 13:25.15 | ircdevil | mikeKJL_ericb: dmesg |
| 13:25.31 | mikeKJL_ericb | POVaddict: you are wicked, thx |
| 13:25.45 | caphuso | it probably has some cheap noname sb compatible crap in it |
| 13:25.58 | abrotman | mikeKJL_ericb: are you from new england |
| 13:25.59 | POVaddict | mikeKJL_ericb: the essXXXX cards _sometimes_ work with sb module |
| 13:26.09 | ircdevil | streuner_: doh - maybe a previous model? (and then you are of cause obliged to write an entry for the one you have). |
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| 13:26.45 | mikeKJL_ericb | POVaddict: the driver installed successfully, and I can hear noise when I cat foo > /dev/dsp |
| 13:27.02 | POVaddict | mikeKJL_ericb: but obviously the mixer isn't working |
| 13:27.15 | mikeKJL_ericb | POVaddict: yeah |
| 13:27.22 | POVaddict | isa soundcards in older laptops are just crap |
| 13:27.45 | abrotman | POVaddict: s/soundcards in older laptops are/is/ |
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| 13:28.06 | jethro | isa is a nice chick |
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| 13:28.18 | POVaddict | abrotman: right :) |
| 13:28.32 | mikeKJL_ericb | when can I paste lots of text again? |
| 13:28.41 | jethro | !tell mikeKJL_ericb -about paster help |
| 13:28.45 | POVaddict | mikeKJL_ericb: you can play with the sb module parameters (io=... irq=...) |
| 13:28.59 | jethro | wtf am I on today |
| 13:29.05 | jethro | !tell mikeKJL_ericb -about paste |
| 13:29.10 | abrotman | jethro: canadian bacon |
| 13:29.13 | pzn | is there an easy way to tell cron that I want to start scripts every 5 minutes, but starting at minute 2 (that is 2,7,12,...)? |
| 13:29.19 | jethro | abrotman: :) |
| 13:29.24 | resiak | pzn: man crontab |
| 13:29.44 | jethro | pzn: 2+*/5 I d say |
| 13:30.03 | mikeKJL_ericb | I have an IRQ problem - for sound card sb, any experts |
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| 13:31.08 | TinoW | mikeKJL_ericb: fix it by replacing the card :) |
| 13:31.25 | pzn | jethro, nice! but i didn't find it at "man 5 crontab". is this standard in cron, or an undocumented feature? |
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| 13:31.47 | liable | TinoW: bit hard on an old lappie :) |
| 13:31.53 | mikeKJL_ericb | POVaddict: chaning sb module parameter, those changes will remain even after a reboot, how do I change them |
| 13:31.59 | liable | or new even |
| 13:32.00 | TinoW | liable: ;) |
| 13:32.10 | TinoW | liable: well, there are USB soundcards ;) |
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| 13:32.28 | liable | TinoW: true |
| 13:32.29 | mikeKJL_ericb | TinoW, go back to you dildo now |
| 13:32.29 | jethro | pzn: I can read it in man 5 crontab |
| 13:32.30 | POVaddict | TinoW: i doubt the laptop has usb |
| 13:32.44 | TinoW | mikeKJL_ericb: you got one? Also USB? |
| 13:32.47 | mikeKJL_ericb | POVaddict: It doesn't, what can I do, times are hard on the blvd |
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| 13:33.08 | eskaypey | hey anyone worked with putty here |
| 13:33.22 | jethro | eskaypey: no we try not to use putty |
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| 13:33.37 | eskaypey | jethro: why not |
| 13:33.47 | jethro | eskaypey: because it's against my beliefs |
| 13:33.48 | n0dez | i've used it a few times |
| 13:34.00 | jethro | n0dez: you must be a liar, no one in #debian ever used it |
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| 13:34.11 | n0dez | hehe |
| 13:34.12 | eskaypey | why not |
| 13:34.18 | stew | !info putty |
| 13:34.18 | streuner_ | mikeKJL_ericb: paste the output of 'cat /proc/interrupts' in #flood or paster |
| 13:34.19 | POVaddict | mikeKJL_ericb: you can specify module parameters when loading the module by hand with modprobe |
| 13:34.23 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.58-1 (sid), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 13:34.36 | n0dez | i used it when i didn't have access to a *nix machine |
| 13:34.51 | TinoW | putty for x sounds pervert ;) |
| 13:34.55 | stew | i wonder who actually uses the debian package |
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| 13:34.59 | POVaddict | mikeKJL_ericb: modinfo sb tells you which parameters sb module knows |
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| 13:36.42 | eskaypey | putty wouldnt recognize my hostname |
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| 13:36.53 | eskaypey | oh would it be ssh setting |
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| 13:37.03 | jethro | eskaypey: or a dns resolver issue ? |
| 13:37.05 | exerd | is it a good idea to use xorg instead of XFree86? |
| 13:37.15 | jethro | exerd: no |
| 13:37.26 | pzn | jethro, in the bottom of my "man 5 crontab" I can see "24 January 1994", what about yours? |
| 13:37.27 | exerd | no? |
| 13:37.55 | eskaypey | is that something i should edit in linux box |
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| 13:38.06 | jethro | pzn: same |
| 13:38.10 | exerd | why no? |
| 13:38.15 | jethro | exerd: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 13:38.38 | imek | hi all, quick question: which command is it that shows all the processes using a mounted device, so I can find out why it's busy? |
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| 13:38.45 | jethro | exerd: it's not worth the pain of installing it, unless you _need_ it |
| 13:39.08 | eskaypey | imek: dmsg? |
| 13:39.09 | jethro | imek: lsof |
| 13:39.19 | eskaypey | ok sorry |
| 13:39.39 | abrotman | imek: fuser or lsof |
| 13:39.50 | imek | okay, thanks |
| 13:40.12 | exerd | jethro: its not hard to install with just apt-get is it? |
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| 13:40.20 | eskaypey | jethro: so can u point me in right direction? |
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| 13:40.23 | Sphere- | hello |
| 13:40.27 | jethro | exerd: it's not packaged by debian yet |
| 13:40.43 | exerd | jethro, deb http://debian.linux-systeme.com unstable main |
| 13:40.59 | exerd | that would work |
| 13:41.04 | jethro | exerd: that's not an official repo, and you used to be on your own when installing xorg on debian |
| 13:41.05 | Sphere- | in which file do I need to add a virtual network interface (eth0:1), so it will be be activated each time I boot ? |
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| 13:41.40 | jethro | Sphere-: man 5 interfaces |
| 13:41.48 | exerd | jethro, ok thanks but is Xfree still updating or is the project dead? |
| 13:42.01 | jethro | exerd: debian is backporting drivers afaict |
| 13:42.09 | jethro | exerd: so it's not dead on debian I dsay |
| 13:42.26 | jethro | exerd: what do you lack in xfree that xorg could give y ou? |
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| 13:42.52 | genix_ | How do I uninstall php 5 after I have untar/compiled/installed it in /usr/local/php-5.04/? |
| 13:43.00 | toptnc | hi all |
| 13:43.13 | Sphere- | thanks jethro |
| 13:43.16 | DarthV4der | hi,boys |
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| 13:43.24 | toptnc | i want to set up my linux box with pam+ldap |
| 13:43.28 | jahor | hi pls... is there a tool for making selective mirror... i mean i have list of packages and i want to mirror all tohose packages and their dependencies on my local mirror |
| 13:43.46 | DarthV4der | (i hate ldap) |
| 13:43.50 | toptnc | i have setted up a rule to create the home directory when the user hasen't one |
| 13:43.58 | jethro | toptnc: apt-get install libpam-ldap libnss-ldap and setup a directory, then cd /usr/share/doc/<packagename> and read |
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| 13:44.08 | exerd | jethro, nothing i just got the advice that xorgs better |
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| 13:44.13 | toptnc | session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ umask=0022 |
| 13:44.16 | jethro | toptnc: you might need to apt-get install slapd if you don't have a directory server yet |
| 13:44.24 | toptnc | with login everithing works ok |
| 13:44.29 | jethro | ok |
| 13:44.29 | genix_ | How do I uninstall a program that I have compiled and installed (is there some command like apt-get remove for packages)? |
| 13:44.34 | toptnc | but with gdm mkhomedir is too slow |
| 13:44.50 | jethro | toptnc: ask in #ldap they be more experienced on such topics |
| 13:44.56 | toptnc | it takes about 5 minutes to create home directoty (about 140 files) |
| 13:45.02 | jethro | jeez yeah that's slow |
| 13:45.16 | caphuso | genix_: rm |
| 13:46.00 | genix_ | caphuso: I have mv /usr/local/php-5.0.4/ to php-5.0.4 but it still works |
| 13:46.07 | genix_ | caphuso: I have mv /usr/local/php-5.0.4/ to php-5.0.4x but it still works* |
| 13:46.29 | caphuso | genix_: "it"? |
| 13:46.47 | genix_ | php-5.0.4 off course |
| 13:47.05 | jethro | genix_: restart apache |
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| 13:47.18 | genix_ | jethro: have done that to |
| 13:47.28 | jethro | genix_: update your apache configuration |
| 13:47.56 | genix_ | jethro: how? |
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| 13:48.20 | TinoW | genix_: I guess he works over to the coffee maker |
| 13:48.45 | TinoW | walks |
| 13:48.54 | DarthV4der | keep walking |
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| 13:51.07 | _joey_ | fsck, fsck |
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| 13:55.18 | mooded | anybody knows if theres a way to "dump" the currently installed packages on one debian machine and "load" that configuration in another machine ?? (to get equivalent configuration-states ?) |
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| 13:55.24 | e_mpika | hallo |
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| 13:55.35 | caphuso | mooded: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 13:55.41 | mooded | caphuso, thanks |
| 13:55.53 | Noid | mooded: with dpkg, --get-selections or an option like that |
| 13:56.31 | mooded | hmm.. i know that option.. but it lacks version information, which leads to the same packages installed, but sometimes different versions .. |
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| 13:57.09 | exerd | (dcpp:21727): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_statusbar_push: assertion `GTK_IS_STATUSBAR (statusbar)' failed |
| 13:57.09 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.32 | e_mpika | does anyone have a dlink router? |
| 13:57.41 | e_mpika | router/firewall |
| 13:57.45 | DarthV4der | none of us |
| 13:57.54 | exerd | e_mpika, probably |
| 13:57.54 | ened | exerd: looks like a small bug in the program :) |
| 13:58.11 | exerd | ened, its dcpp the direct connec application |
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| 13:58.21 | exerd | ened, it works on my friens computer |
| 13:58.34 | ened | exerd: well, it's an expected failure than imho :) |
| 13:58.44 | e_mpika | meh, im trying to get it to allow smtp connections to our mail server but i cant figure it out!? just wondering if anyone else knew how to...!? |
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| 14:01.47 | exerd | ened, why? |
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| 14:02.43 | reagleBRKLN | i want to pretty-print an ics calendar on one page from now till June 10, any recommended apps? |
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| 14:03.09 | DarthV4der | cal? |
| 14:03.19 | GooZ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:03.22 | GooZ | upS |
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| 14:03.24 | GooZ | sorry |
| 14:03.27 | peterS | DarthV4der: what's the option for 'cal' to pretty-print? |
| 14:03.35 | reagleBRKLN | DarthVdr, from an ICS file |
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| 14:03.48 | DarthV4der | uh,sorry |
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| 14:04.19 | Thanatermesis | exist a tool for look the model of the monitor ? |
| 14:04.22 | TinoW | there is a ical module for python at least. Guess something like that exists for other languages as well |
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| 14:04.36 | TinoW | Thanatermesis: read-edid |
| 14:04.56 | reagleBRKLN | TinoW: I see http://www.devoesquared.com/Software/iCal_Module |
| 14:04.59 | peterS | Thanatermesis: the read-edid package includes the two binaries 'get-edid' and 'parse-edid' which you use together |
| 14:05.01 | ened | exerd: hm, C is sometimes an type unsafe language (void pointers, which could be anything). i think some function received an pointer & expected it to be one to an statusbar. to check it, the function runs 'assert', which prints out an warning. |
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| 14:05.04 | TinoW | Thanatermesis: thats the package. See its documentation or just use get-edid | parse-edid |
| 14:05.06 | westward | hi, How could I figure out the network port of one process? |
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| 14:05.28 | ened | westward: netstat? |
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| 14:05.34 | Thanatermesis | ok, Im try... |
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| 14:05.38 | exerd | ened, you dont know how to fix it? ;) |
| 14:05.41 | TinoW | westside: netstat -pl and or lsof |
| 14:05.42 | peterS | westward: lsof has options for this |
| 14:05.48 | exerd | ened, really need a good dc program |
| 14:05.56 | TinoW | exerd: dc? |
| 14:06.01 | exerd | direct connect |
| 14:06.09 | westward | ah, thank you all! |
| 14:06.10 | TinoW | exerd: connect what to where? |
| 14:06.10 | e_mpika | fux0rz |
| 14:06.15 | ened | exerd: it doesn't run? i thought it just prints the error? |
| 14:06.16 | Thanatermesis | wow ! |
| 14:06.18 | Thanatermesis | good |
| 14:06.20 | e_mpika | this router is proper bent in the head |
| 14:06.25 | exerd | ened, no it doenst start |
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| 14:06.42 | Thanatermesis | this autodetects all monitors good? |
| 14:06.45 | ened | exerd: ah. what's the name of this program? |
| 14:06.55 | exerd | ened, dcpp |
| 14:06.58 | TinoW | Thanatermesis: as long as your gfxcard, monitor and cabeling support it |
| 14:07.09 | peterS | Thanatermesis: any monitor which is "plug and play", and most modern graphics cards, yes |
| 14:07.10 | mooded | e_mpika, dlink routers suck... |
| 14:07.13 | ened | exerd: unstable ? |
| 14:07.20 | Thanatermesis | wow, very good TinoW, this is posible the solution for the liveCD's :) |
| 14:07.21 | exerd | ened, i compiled it myself |
| 14:07.23 | karsten | So I figured out how to boot Tom's Root Boot w/ UML. Well. Mount a TRB root fileystem. |
| 14:07.29 | karsten | Tom's root boot running under UML: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/tomsumlboot-67.png |
| 14:07.37 | peterS | Thanatermesis: I've seen graphics drivers that don't let you pass through an EDID signal though |
| 14:07.47 | TinoW | Thanatermesis: I guess you can grep the most ideas of that sort from existing live CDs :) |
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| 14:08.13 | ened | exerd: maybe you like to try the cvs version / bug tracker of this project. i don't unterstand polish |
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| 14:08.45 | exerd | ened, im not so experienced with linux so i dont think i could do that |
| 14:08.59 | ened | exerd: it's not so difficult. |
| 14:09.12 | Thanatermesis | hummmm... posible a very good feature option for the liveCD's |
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| 14:09.19 | exerd | ened, dont even know how to start =) |
| 14:09.20 | Thanatermesis | TinoW, sorry, Im little speak english, Im not understand.. |
| 14:09.36 | ened | exerd: start by searching the cvs repository |
| 14:09.46 | TinoW | Thanatermesis: whats your language? |
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| 14:09.55 | CodeWarrior_ | hello friends, I have a problem abour DOSEmu and Debian Testing. The problem is the DOSEmu (xdosemu) freezes when I click another window opened in my desktop (like firefox for example), any idea ? |
| 14:09.57 | Thanatermesis | TinoW, french and spanish |
| 14:10.08 | exerd | ened, it seems i have it installed |
| 14:10.10 | ened | exerd: it is a sourceforge project, so likely they use cvs from there |
| 14:10.38 | e_mpika | <mooded> e_mpika, dlink routers suck... << apparently so, seems better than out netgear tho.. almost |
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| 14:11.02 | TinoW | Thanatermesis: (automatic translation) Je devine que vous pouvez grep les la plupart des idées de cette sorte de CDs de phase existant :) |
| 14:11.04 | ened | exerd: http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=40287 |
| 14:11.14 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
| 14:11.21 | TinoW | Thanatermesis: why :/ ? |
| 14:11.22 | Thanatermesis | yes, Im triyin my bot-translator... |
| 14:11.24 | e_mpika | fuck it, i wanted to use IPcop, our boos is a nobjockey |
| 14:11.36 | Thanatermesis | TinoW, posible to re-write your words in another conjugation? :) |
| 14:11.56 | TinoW | Thanatermesis: I dont know to write that more simple: there are already live CDs, no? So you can look how they do it |
| 14:12.02 | RichiH | e_mpika: both netgear and dlink suck imho. i would get a linksys |
| 14:12.18 | RichiH | e_mpika: with the older wrt54g's, you can put a custom linux on em, too |
| 14:12.32 | _joey | I own dlink router, it sucks |
| 14:12.38 | n0dez | Thanatermesis, he says you could get many ideas from live cds |
| 14:12.44 | _joey | dsl modem/router |
| 14:13.01 | _joey | I use it in bridge mode, linux box is routing bettarrr |
| 14:13.05 | Thanatermesis | oh, yes TinoW, Im understand... Im creating a liveCD project, the function of the liveCD's Im not understand... not shows the refresh modes of the monitors, only use a standard posible compatible ;) |
| 14:13.12 | DarthV4der | hehe |
| 14:13.19 | mosty | richih: i though all wrt54g's *came* with linux on them |
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| 14:13.54 | DarthV4der | no |
| 14:13.55 | Peaker | I try to compile the kernel via: "PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES make-kpkg --added-patches debian,lpp binary modules" but I get: "gpg: skipped "Unknown Kernel Package Maintainer <unknown@unconfigured.in.etc.kernel-pkg.conf>": secret key not available" and the compilation fails |
| 14:14.00 | DarthV4der | I am sure |
| 14:14.14 | Souza10 | I got the the www.natecarlson.com instruction to configure VPN and I am goind well, but I don't undertand how can "leftrsasigkey=%cert" be linked to my certificate(/etc/ipsec.d/certs)? Where would I put this file? |
| 14:14.17 | Peaker | A) Why does it try to sign my kernel with make-kpkg and how can I prevent it? B) If I must sign it, how do I get it to use a valid key? |
| 14:14.18 | peterS | Peaker: you can't figure out what unconfigured.in.etc.kernel-pkg.conf means? |
| 14:14.23 | RichiH | mosty: true. but from what i have heard, they secured it against custom linuces shortly after cisco bought them. i have an old one, so i don't know for sure |
| 14:14.26 | peterS | Peaker: please hire someone else to compile your kernel |
| 14:14.45 | hacim | Peaker: shouldn't that be binary_modules? |
| 14:14.45 | Peaker | peterS: I didn't read the email address, quite an unintuitive place to put an error message :P |
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| 14:15.14 | mooded | e_mpika, the last dlink vpn-router i had wasnt even able to forward ssh properly.. the netgear did .. |
| 14:15.15 | peterS | Peaker: and yet it was intuitive enough to be included in the text you pasted here... |
| 14:15.19 | Peaker | peterS: Also I dont have any key in gpg, not for myself either, can't I cancel the need to sign the deb? |
| 14:15.25 | hacim | I'm having trouble getting public-key authentication to work, it used to work between two systems, but now stopped. I've checked permissions, and now am at a loss |
| 14:15.32 | Peaker | peterS: I just copied the error message |
| 14:15.48 | peterS | Peaker: you know what? if I were you, I'd look in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf to see if your question has an answer there. that's what I'd do |
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| 14:16.05 | _joey | It's getting closer to the day sarge becomes a stable release! |
| 14:16.14 | spencerk | wheee! |
| 14:16.17 | CodeWarrior_ | nobody uses dosemu ? |
| 14:16.22 | _joey | An achievement!! |
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| 14:16.36 | Peaker | peterS: That's what I just did now |
| 14:16.38 | TinoW | Peaker: didnt the -us and -uc not appear in your version of the manfile? :) |
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| 14:16.58 | Peaker | peterS: And I changed it but I *suspect* this won't fix my problem as I don't have ANY keys in my gpg, and I don't see why I *need* to in order to compile my damn kernel |
| 14:17.12 | mosty | richih: the sveasoft site seems to imply any wrt54g or wrt54gs should work (as well as other units based on the same chipset) |
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| 14:17.30 | Peaker | make-kpkg sucks :( Why can't it be at least as simple as "make" in the kernel source dir? :( |
| 14:17.45 | RichiH | mosty: the sveasoft site wants money for their stuff so they would want you to think so ;) |
| 14:17.48 | mosty | peaker, it pretty much is |
| 14:17.52 | RichiH | mosty: but it might well be |
| 14:17.53 | TinoW | Peaker: funny though. I never had this sort of problem |
| 14:17.57 | Peaker | mosty: It forces me to learn how to use gpg, why? |
| 14:18.00 | petemc | RichiH: they have a free version |
| 14:18.00 | _joey | I'd write an email to debian project thanking everyone for getting us a release, and assuring them I'd wait for another 4 year for the next stable release and won't give on Debian |
| 14:18.02 | TinoW | Peaker: are you sure it stops because of the signing? |
| 14:18.08 | _joey | :) |
| 14:18.10 | Peaker | TinoW: it sure seems so |
| 14:18.22 | RichiH | though a simple gpg signed tarball would exclude you from using custom stuff |
| 14:18.33 | TinoW | Peaker: what makes you believe it? |
| 14:18.37 | mosty | peaker: you don't need to use gpg if you don't want to |
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| 14:18.56 | jethro | since when does make-kpkg _need_ to sign the kernel image package? |
| 14:18.57 | RichiH | petemc: which they are not too happy about. i read a bit about how they deal with 'leakers' of their stuff and thus decided to go openWRT |
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| 14:19.16 | petemc | RichiH: no, they have a free version with less features - satoru |
| 14:19.19 | petemc | satori |
| 14:19.43 | RichiH | apparently, they watermark their images and exclude subscribers who 'leak' the GPL'ed code before release |
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| 14:19.48 | RichiH | petemc: oh, ok. didn't know that |
| 14:19.50 | IDC | I installed another NIC in this machine,now got 2, but no idea what do i do to do NAT thing to share internet |
| 14:20.08 | jethro | IDC: you want to read the packet filter / nat howto |
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| 14:20.13 | Peaker | TinoW: It prints the signing problem, then "make[1]: *** [kdist] Error 2" and aborts |
| 14:20.14 | abrotman | netfilter.org |
| 14:20.15 | mosty | sveasoft only charge for the development version. when they start a new version, the new stable release becomes free (as i understand it) |
| 14:20.27 | IDC | oh |
| 14:20.33 | jethro | IDC: www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/ |
| 14:20.45 | Peaker | mosty: How do I avoid gpg? when I didn't have gpg installed it said it couldn't find it and aborted |
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| 14:21.01 | IDC | But can you make sure 2 NIC server --->hub--->client, this will work ? |
| 14:21.26 | TinoW | Peaker: and you gave --uc and --us just in case? (not that I ever needed that) |
| 14:21.32 | simonrvn | it will work. there's probably thousands of lans set up this way... |
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| 14:21.54 | jethro | IDC: you don't make much sense, would you mind rephrasing? |
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| 14:22.03 | mosty | peaker: it just compiled without signing last time i used kernel-package (on woody) |
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| 14:22.25 | _joey | you could use gpg to generate digest message providing a mechanism to check the integrity but usually you'd use md5 |
| 14:22.27 | IDC | oops. |
| 14:22.50 | Peaker | TinoW: Nope, I'd expect that to be the default or mentioned when it fails to find gpg (better yet, if it can't find gpg, ask the user if not signing is viable instead of aborting uninformatively) |
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| 14:23.08 | jethro | Peaker: make-kpkg is not aborting when gpg is not present |
| 14:23.19 | IDC | jethro, eth0 -->adsl modem-->ISP # The pervious setup ,working fine |
| 14:23.22 | Peaker | jethro: it did abort now when I didn't have it |
| 14:23.39 | jethro | Peaker: there must be something else you're not telling us about |
| 14:23.46 | Peaker | jethro: I used: "PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES make-kpkg --added-patches debian,lpp binary modules" |
| 14:23.47 | TinoW | Peaker: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2002/05/msg00063.html |
| 14:23.49 | IDC | jethro, now , eth0 -->adsl modem && eth1 <found but not configured> |
| 14:23.56 | dfzi | where can i read about making symbolic links? what's the man page? |
| 14:23.59 | dfzi | bash or what? |
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| 14:24.10 | TinoW | Peaker: maybe next time you also use google? :) |
| 14:24.21 | Peaker | dfzi: man ln |
| 14:24.41 | Peaker | TinoW: I did use google, searching for the signing error message, but it found completely irrelevant things |
| 14:24.45 | TinoW | Peaker: and when you believe it does some signing and you want to prevent that, why not just set the options you can easily spot in the manfile just to find out? |
| 14:25.15 | jethro | IDC: I d say [LAN] -> eth1 - gateway - eth0 -> modem -> intarwebz!!111! |
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| 14:25.27 | TinoW | Peaker: thats sure because the signing thing is irrelevant to your problem :) |
| 14:25.41 | spencerk | once sarge comes out will it be chaos trying to dl it? |
| 14:25.48 | Peaker | TinoW: I wasn't sure if signing was the problem at all, I don't know gpg. There are really few ways to compile the kernel, I don't see why it should fail out of the box |
| 14:25.51 | jethro | spencerk: yes |
| 14:25.54 | IDC | jethro, where is the hub ? |
| 14:25.57 | spencerk | haha shoot |
| 14:26.09 | jethro | IDC: on eth1 |
| 14:26.17 | mosty | spencerk, you can start downloading now |
| 14:26.19 | hacim | I've got an apache process taking up 93% of CPU and when I try to strace it -- nothing is happening, how can I figure out what it is doing, what caused this? |
| 14:26.19 | Peaker | TinoW: Also why the commandline to compile with all installed patches should be so complicated.. |
| 14:26.21 | IDC | jethro, yes :) |
| 14:26.22 | TinoW | Peaker: well, a lot of people here constantly telling you 1) signing is not the problem 2) you can find out yourself if you disable signing :-) |
| 14:26.26 | jethro | IDC: and have direct cable between modem and eth0 |
| 14:26.30 | spencerk | mosty how? |
| 14:26.37 | TinoW | Peaker: write a better one. |
| 14:26.40 | IDC | jethro, yeah :) so right |
| 14:26.42 | spencerk | unstable? |
| 14:26.43 | jethro | IDC: err cross cable even |
| 14:26.47 | IDC | jethro, i mean,im thinking of that too. |
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| 14:26.57 | eka | hi all |
| 14:26.59 | mosty | spencerk, you can install sarge today |
| 14:27.01 | jethro | IDC: that's the most obvious setup |
| 14:27.06 | IDC | jethro, so i do not have to change the current connection in physically |
| 14:27.20 | eka | i have to install php4 > 4.1.2 that comes with Woody so i found a backport |
| 14:27.22 | jethro | IDC: I don't know what you'd have to change since I don't know your setup |
| 14:27.35 | IDC | jethro, i would have to just connect eth1 to HUB,then hub to client B,am i right ? |
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| 14:27.52 | spencerk | mosty: but arent unstable versions for big nerds |
| 14:28.07 | jethro | IDC: read my last comment |
| 14:28.11 | mosty | spencerk, sarge isn't unstable, sarge is frozen/testing |
| 14:28.18 | IDC | jethro, my setup ,the working one was eth0-->cable-->dsl modem,simple |
| 14:28.20 | Peaker | TinoW: If I could write a better one and have it inserted into Debian I would. Unfortunatly the beuracracy involved in sending a better script and getting it accepted is too much of a barrier due to the little time I can put into it |
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| 14:28.44 | TinoW | Peaker: while I wonder whatever you want to improve ;) |
| 14:29.05 | Peaker | TinoW: I'd want the command I used above not to fail, basically |
| 14:29.21 | Peaker | TinoW: I'd want the user not to have to research 30 minutes in manpages and docs how to compile his kernel |
| 14:29.21 | TinoW | Peaker: thats not the fault of the makescript |
| 14:29.33 | Peaker | TinoW: as there are about 3 yes/no questions involved, there should be no "open questions" to the user |
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| 14:29.52 | TinoW | Peaker: compile, even kernel compile is an advanced topic. You are expected to get informed before you start |
| 14:30.02 | spencerk | mosty: i suck at linux, but would really like to try out sarge, do you think i should dl the frozen one and hope it doesnt mess up, or try my luck at downloading the stable one after the release? |
| 14:30.17 | abrotman | spencerk: workstation or server ? |
| 14:30.19 | Peaker | TinoW: Why is it an advacned topic to invoke a compilation procedure already written and working made by others? |
| 14:30.20 | TinoW | Peaker: nobody expects car repair as easy as LEGO |
| 14:30.26 | spencerk | sowrkstation |
| 14:30.27 | jethro | Peaker: don't get clueless people to build kernels |
| 14:30.28 | abrotman | TinoW: but it shuld be damn it! |
| 14:30.32 | Peaker | TinoW: I'm not trying to repair anything, only to "drive the car" someone already made |
| 14:30.34 | jethro | Peaker: use debian kernel images instead |
| 14:30.37 | TinoW | abrotman: ;) |
| 14:30.40 | mosty | spencerk, the difference between sarge now and sarge when it is released should not be too great |
| 14:30.47 | Peaker | jethro: The debian kernel image doesn't have working nvidia drivers |
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| 14:30.59 | TinoW | Peaker: compiling some patches is _not_ just "drive the car" |
| 14:31.02 | spencerk | ok, and you can upgrade it anyways right? |
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| 14:31.18 | TinoW | Peaker: apt-get install <some-kernel-image> is "just drive the car" |
| 14:31.24 | jethro | this is getting ridiculous |
| 14:31.25 | abrotman | spencerk: make sure you are tracking sarge .. and not testing |
| 14:31.31 | jethro | !tell Peaker -about nvidia |
| 14:31.34 | abrotman | !tell Peaker about nvidia one liner |
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| 14:31.38 | DwyaneWade | anyone knows some channel for the Debian games? |
| 14:31.46 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: games ? |
| 14:31.52 | spencerk | abrot: what do u mean |
| 14:32.01 | spencerk | abrotman i mean |
| 14:32.05 | DwyaneWade | abrotman: KSokoban |
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| 14:32.09 | agge_ | hello.. i have a Q |
| 14:32.12 | jethro | sokoban yeeek |
| 14:32.12 | agge_ | what is deb |
| 14:32.18 | jethro | !irritate agge_ |
| 14:32.20 | dpkg | agge_: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh grafixx windows !!!! |
| 14:32.21 | abrotman | spencerk: testing will always be testing .. sarge will be stable soon .. if you track testing .. you will stay with testing .. you most likely want to track sarge in your sources |
| 14:32.22 | agge_ | like "deb http://etc etc" |
| 14:32.29 | TinoW | abrotman: perhaps games where you shoot at logos of "ubuntu" and "knoppix" ;) |
| 14:32.32 | Peaker | TinoW: Anythign that does not involve creative work but merely running existing work should be easy, there is really no reason for it to be difficult |
| 14:32.32 | jethro | agge_: man sources.list |
| 14:32.37 | abrotman | TinoW: xbill ? :) |
| 14:32.40 | Peaker | TinoW: compilation is just that, running existing scripts |
| 14:32.46 | jethro | agge_: also /msg dpkg enter |
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| 14:33.10 | jethro | Peaker: you don't need custom kernels to have working nvidia drivers on debian |
| 14:33.14 | TinoW | Peaker: well, for that even driving a car needs to be learned ;) |
| 14:33.15 | DwyaneWade | jethro: i am stuck at level 19 but i really don't think there is any solution for this level |
| 14:33.18 | jethro | Peaker: debian kernel images can do this just fine |
| 14:33.23 | jethro | DwyaneWade: try again |
| 14:33.40 | takatumi | kid wants pokemon games. |
| 14:33.50 | IDC | To add a new interface in /etc/network/interfaces,do i need to start a new line to write in " auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static..." ? |
| 14:33.54 | spencerk | kids still play pokeman? |
| 14:33.57 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: i have a cure for that .. Enigma |
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| 14:33.58 | jethro | IDC: man 5 interfaces |
| 14:33.58 | spencerk | mon |
| 14:33.59 | agge_ | but how do i run them? |
| 14:34.00 | pingouin | takatumi: not only kids ;) |
| 14:34.06 | jethro | agge_: run what? |
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| 14:34.15 | jethro | hi pingouin |
| 14:34.19 | DwyaneWade | abrotman: what Enigma? the german machine? |
| 14:34.19 | agge_ | deb files.. :) |
| 14:34.22 | abrotman | !enigma |
| 14:34.25 | pingouin | hello jethro ;) |
| 14:34.30 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: apt-cache show enigma |
| 14:34.33 | takatumi | pingouin: any linkages? needs nintendo emulation I presume? |
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| 14:34.41 | jethro | agge_: what the hell are you talking about? deb lines in sources.list or deb files? |
| 14:34.56 | jethro | agge_: what is your native language? |
| 14:34.57 | agge_ | jethro, this "deb http://luddite.atticauthor.info/debian/ unstable/" |
| 14:34.57 | IDC | jethro, thanks |
| 14:34.59 | Peaker | jethro: Okay, but apt-cache search nvidia yielded an unworking solution to use nvidia - so the next solution me or any other user would use is to try using the nvidia installer. Its silly to expect the user to know the pretty-complicated sequence mentioned in nvidia one-liner |
| 14:35.03 | agge_ | jethro, swe |
| 14:35.30 | exerd | agge_, are you from sweden? |
| 14:35.37 | agge_ | exerd, yes |
| 14:35.37 | jethro | Peaker: the one liner can be dealt with as a script, and is imho far easier then using make-kpkg |
| 14:35.42 | takatumi | agge_: try aptitude |
| 14:35.45 | exerd | agge_, have msn or icq? |
| 14:35.46 | jethro | agge_: you don't run things in sources.list |
| 14:35.54 | jethro | agge_: you use them with apt-get |
| 14:36.00 | agge_ | exerd, yeah |
| 14:36.09 | Peaker | jethro: I agree (but that's because I believe make-kpkg to be way too complicated than it should be to use) |
| 14:36.27 | agge_ | jethro, ok so how do i get them files? just apt-get deb http://luddite.atticauthor.info/debian/ unstable/ |
| 14:36.35 | takatumi | Peaker: it couldn't get any simpler. |
| 14:36.36 | Peaker | jethro: Unfortunatly Debian has no way of informing the user of such installation procedures |
| 14:36.38 | jethro | Peaker: that's becasue make-kpkg is intended to build custom debian kernels, which is a duty for skilled users imho |
| 14:36.55 | jethro | agge_: man sources.list as I told you, also man apt-get |
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| 14:36.59 | TinoW | Peaker: whats your proposed interface? "make-kpkg build this damnd thing!" ? ;) |
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| 14:37.06 | abrotman | !tell Peaker about nvidia one liner |
| 14:37.10 | jethro | agge_: then try to figure out what sources.list is, and see if you still have a question |
| 14:37.15 | dfzi | how can i make it so, that everytime i upload a file to my ftp-server, it changes it's chmod value to 705 |
| 14:37.16 | jethro | abrotman: he got the one liner |
| 14:37.21 | abrotman | and it no workie ? |
| 14:37.27 | jethro | it does |
| 14:37.28 | Peaker | takatumi: How about "make-kpkg interactive" that asks you a few questions such as: "Do you want to use the default Debian configuration? Do you want to compile all the packages that are generated from the kernel? Do you want to apply all patches?" rather than requiring reading of all existing options? |
| 14:37.32 | abrotman | where are our nvidia biggots ? |
| 14:37.36 | jethro | he said it's overkill for a luser |
| 14:37.37 | abrotman | err |
| 14:37.46 | |rufius| | !fuck nvidia |
| 14:37.52 | jethro | and I think make-kpkg is more of an overkill than nvidia :) |
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| 14:38.09 | Peaker | takatumi: Why does it need to be any more complex than 3 yes/no questions? |
| 14:38.12 | jethro | Peaker: create your own wrapper |
| 14:38.20 | jethro | Peaker: then submit it to debian queues |
| 14:38.27 | takatumi | Peaker: interactive crap, just read man make-kpkg |
| 14:38.51 | Peaker | takatumi: Crap because it takes 10 times less time for a user to use? or because it doesn't require learning things you have no use for? |
| 14:39.22 | takatumi | Peaker: learn it, its the kernel, the core of the system. |
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| 14:39.35 | jethro | Peaker: learn it or stick with kernel images. period |
| 14:39.35 | Peaker | takatumi: I know quite all I want about kernels and build systems, thank you. |
| 14:39.42 | abrotman | i'm confused .. make menuconfig .. make-kpkg (options) binary .. what's hard again ? |
| 14:40.00 | Peaker | abrotman: "(options)" applying patches, and random failures of compilation |
| 14:40.03 | abrotman | aw hell .. cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config |
| 14:40.20 | TinoW | Peaker: if you use random patches, expect all sort of problems. That seems natural, no? |
| 14:40.21 | abrotman | patching for what ? .. i wasn't aware nvidia required patching the kernel |
| 14:40.24 | Peaker | abrotman: that too - you can't expect a user to know that, and even the simple command you mentioned is not in any EXAMPLE section of any manpage |
| 14:40.26 | |rufius| | Peaker, you don't sound like you know jack shit |
| 14:40.26 | jethro | Peaker: it's not random failures of make-kpkg, it's your inability to figure out the proper options |
| 14:40.35 | abrotman | Peaker: uhm .. yes it is .. that's how i learned how to do it :) |
| 14:40.38 | Peaker | |rufius|: If you want, you can test me |
| 14:40.45 | abrotman | noone showed me how to use make-kpkg |
| 14:40.53 | jethro | I got handhold |
| 14:40.54 | abrotman | that was before i knew about IRC :) |
| 14:40.55 | |rufius| | Peaker, no need to test, you've already failed it |
| 14:40.59 | jethro | held even |
| 14:41.05 | Peaker | |rufius|: Have you written a kernel? Cause I have :P |
| 14:41.05 | TinoW | Peaker: debian kernel make too complicated? Then try *BSD kernel make for a day :) |
| 14:41.13 | jethro | hahahaha |
| 14:41.15 | DwyaneWade | i just solved 10 levels at Microban since i joined this channel but that 19 at sasquatch is really stupid |
| 14:41.17 | jethro | !pal Peaker |
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| 14:41.41 | jethro | this guy wrote a kernel, and can't figure out how one uses make-kpkg this is too much |
| 14:41.45 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: enigma! |
| 14:41.53 | |rufius| | !fuck Peaker |
| 14:41.55 | abrotman | jethro: developers make shitty admins |
| 14:41.58 | |rufius| | @fuck Peaker |
| 14:42.06 | abrotman | ok .. stop abusing him |
| 14:42.19 | TinoW | |rufius|: get a cold shower |
| 14:42.25 | jethro | abrotman: writting a kernel require skills other than being able to read a manpage |
| 14:42.28 | |rufius| | TinoW, i'm gonna need it |
| 14:42.32 | stouset | Argh. Does anyone know why Fedora doesn't bother with making sure they actually flesh out all the dependencies of a package? |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | |rufius|: especially since you're looking suspicious given your IP info |
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| 14:42.44 | |rufius| | stouset, this is debian, we don't care |
| 14:42.44 | abrotman | stouset: RPMs |
| 14:43.34 | |rufius| | abrotman, suspicious? i'm an op in #mandriva and don't even use it. don't see why it'd be suspicious. I use debian on my file server at home, woopdie do |
| 14:43.42 | takatumi | Mandriva sounds every more crappy now. |
| 14:43.55 | jethro | yeah |
| 14:43.55 | takatumi | s/ry/n |
| 14:43.59 | abrotman | |rufius|: why don't you use it? :) |
| 14:44.05 | jethro | I wouldn't tell anyone I m op in #mandriva |
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| 14:44.13 | |rufius| | abrotman, why do you think? |
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| 14:44.33 | takatumi | |rufius|: why are you an op there if you don't use it? |
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| 14:44.36 | |rufius| | jethro, heh, i'm only one because they use my ircbot code and its easier to admin it when i have op power |
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| 14:45.10 | jethro | !|rufius|-- |
| 14:45.18 | abrotman | |rufius|: well .. they took the possibly worst distro in history .. and mixed it with a brazilian one .. |
| 14:45.44 | jethro | abrotman: you forgot to mention that its the worst in history AND also a french distro |
| 14:45.48 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: don't /msg me .. i have no idea about the game you're playing |
| 14:45.57 | |rufius| | heh, i've used it once |
| 14:46.07 | |rufius| | 8.2 was the last version, haven't touched it since |
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| 14:46.12 | |rufius| | went to Slack then Debian |
| 14:46.14 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: enigma is fun .. and challenging .. that's all i know .. i recommend it to people who have a brain and like to play games |
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| 14:46.47 | Souza10 | I got the the www.natecarlson.com instruction to configure VPN and I am goind well, but I don't undertand how can "leftrsasigkey=%cert" be linked to my certificate(/etc/ipsec.d/certs)? Where would I put this file? |
| 14:46.53 | takatumi | abrotman: it gets tough very quickly, I got stuck. |
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| 14:47.15 | Souza10 | Another question is: how leftcert=host.example.com.pem works? where do I have to save host.example.com.pem? at /etc? |
| 14:47.19 | directhex|work | someone called for an nvidia bigot? |
| 14:47.26 | jethro | directhex|work: indeed |
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| 14:47.39 | jethro | directhex|work: but the one in need is gone |
| 14:47.42 | takatumi | directhex|work: everything from make-kpkg to that complicated factoid was blamed. |
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| 14:48.20 | directhex|work | complicated? it's one command, albeit lengthy. copy & paste into a shell |
| 14:48.37 | takatumi | directhex|work: just "quoting". |
| 14:48.42 | abrotman | takatumi: apparently you have half a brain then :) |
| 14:48.54 | Souza10 | Could anybody help me? |
| 14:49.06 | takatumi | abrotman: I haven't tried it, but will do if I get an nvidia card. |
| 14:49.18 | jethro | or make it a script and run the script. he was concerned about sclability problems, and thought having each user run make-kpkg was easier thean use kernel images and the nvidia one liner |
| 14:49.19 | abrotman | takatumi: enigma ? |
| 14:49.29 | abrotman | takatumi: you're confusing me! |
| 14:49.30 | takatumi | abrotman: oh. yeah I suck. |
| 14:50.01 | directhex|work | the nvidia one-liner creates a damned .deb to distribute >_< |
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| 14:50.08 | abrotman | directhex|work: Peaker couldn't get it to work |
| 14:50.14 | takatumi | was thinking of recording a screen session in ttyrec, will it come out ok? |
| 14:50.14 | abrotman | and he's gone now |
| 14:50.15 | jethro | directhex|work: I didn't say his point was mine :) |
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| 14:50.34 | directhex|work | the question then is _WHY_, since the factoid is flawless in cases of doing-as-you're-damn-well-told |
| 14:50.46 | abrotman | don't ask me .. he ran away |
| 14:50.47 | directhex|work | the common error is people using custom kernels, or old -1- sarge kernels |
| 14:50.48 | jethro | directhex|work: it must've been a pebcak |
| 14:50.54 | directhex|work | jethro, pinkware bug |
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| 14:50.56 | lotuspaq | Hi, I just installed manpage-posix and I cant get help for the posix threads to work, any clues, thx |
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| 14:50.58 | takatumi | directhex|work: I think most of them mess up on the sid/sarge mix. |
| 14:50.59 | jethro | directhex|work: the very same guy said make-kpkg would fail if you don't have gpg |
| 14:51.12 | directhex|work | takatumi, no longer neccessary, hence pulled from the factoid |
| 14:51.20 | jethro | which isn't true |
| 14:51.23 | takatumi | directhex|work: oh, in sarge eh? |
| 14:51.29 | directhex|work | jethro, major pinkware glitch then |
| 14:51.32 | jethro | :) |
| 14:51.34 | directhex|work | takatumi, t'is now. finally |
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| 14:52.01 | N-0-X_server | hu, I have a problem: I don't want to start up with X launched. |
| 14:52.09 | abrotman | !tell N-0-X_server about no dm |
| 14:52.13 | abrotman | !tell N-0-X_server about nodm |
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| 14:52.31 | jethro | jesus christ, why do you guys get such crappy nicknames |
| 14:52.34 | ChrisW | hmm, how do the stdout and stderr pipes work? |
| 14:52.42 | abrotman | jethro: i like mine |
| 14:52.50 | jethro | abrotman: you know I ain't talking about you |
| 14:52.59 | abrotman | jethro: and it's useful with google :) |
| 14:53.02 | TinoW | hi ChrisW |
| 14:53.06 | jethro | abrotman? |
| 14:53.10 | jethro | useful with google? |
| 14:53.13 | TinoW | ChrisW: they are just pipes |
| 14:53.25 | ChrisW | I'm having real trouble with the order of stuff going to those pipes changing whe na command is run via Python's subprocess.Popen versus just beign run straight fro mthe shell |
| 14:53.26 | stouset | jethro: freenode needs to auto-lowercase nicks =P |
| 14:53.34 | abrotman | jethro: you know .. google.com |
| 14:53.41 | stouset | jethro: and optionally require them to be alpha only |
| 14:53.43 | ChrisW | so, if I run something on the command line, it omes out in one order |
| 14:53.51 | jethro | abrotman: I know google, but I m not getting the point |
| 14:53.54 | ChrisW | if I run it with Popen, it comes out in another order :-( |
| 14:53.56 | systemadmin | hoe do i remove a line from a file? like sed or awk? |
| 14:54.00 | jethro | stouset: agreed |
| 14:54.11 | TinoW | ChrisW: which flavour of popen are you using? |
| 14:54.11 | directhex|work | systemadmin, grep |
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| 14:54.18 | ChrisW | subprocess.Popen |
| 14:54.21 | stouset | systemadmin: grep -v pattern |
| 14:54.23 | ChrisW | (new in python 2.4 ;-) ) |
| 14:54.31 | TinoW | ChrisW: ah. bah ;) |
| 14:54.38 | c_k | Hi all, anyone able to help me to get a tft server running at all PLEASE :-) |
| 14:54.42 | ChrisW | well, it's basically popen2 with bells on |
| 14:54.48 | ChrisW | os.popen4 does the same thing |
| 14:54.54 | directhex|work | c_k, tft server? |
| 14:55.00 | TinoW | ChrisW: iirc, popen2 just uses stdin and stdout |
| 14:55.03 | abrotman | tftp ? |
| 14:55.04 | stouset | jethro: in fact, sometimes I question whether or not people should be allowed to use alphas in their nicks. |
| 14:55.08 | takatumi | tnt? |
| 14:55.13 | TinoW | ChrisW: no "order changing" seen so far |
| 14:55.13 | ChrisW | yep, I hear what you're saying |
| 14:55.21 | ChrisW | ah, but stderr |
| 14:55.23 | abrotman | jethro: and that is not my songlist :) |
| 14:55.28 | TinoW | ChrisW: this is open3 |
| 14:55.31 | ChrisW | I need to trap stderr tooo |
| 14:55.36 | TinoW | ChrisW: popen3 I mean |
| 14:55.40 | jethro | abrotman: I was about to ask about your last concert :) |
| 14:55.40 | N-0-X_server | How come Xterm doesn't interprate any key combination? In fact, I have a AZERTY keyboard, and I can't do any damw combination nor with Xterm, nor with Eterm!? What's wrong? Was I like not supposed to use the 'pc105'? |
| 14:55.42 | ChrisW | popen4 and popen3 both do silly things :-S |
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| 14:55.49 | abrotman | jethro: all the others appear to be me :) |
| 14:55.57 | c_k | directhex|work: yeah a tftp server to copy config off some routers |
| 14:55.58 | abrotman | N-0-X_server: interpret |
| 14:56.13 | jethro | aight |
| 14:56.24 | abrotman | jethro: see .. works well with google :) |
| 14:56.30 | jethro | abrotman: mine doesn't |
| 14:56.31 | TinoW | ChrisW: what exactly? with popen3 you get 3 handles |
| 14:56.45 | jethro | abrotman: shows up loads of jethro tull sites before anything related to me :) |
| 14:56.47 | abrotman | jethro: the only other i know of .. is some girl that lives in cali with abrotman also |
| 14:56.54 | jethro | ok |
| 14:56.59 | ChrisW | yeah, but how do you read from those 3 handles such that you end up with identically ordered output as you would in a shell? |
| 14:57.00 | directhex|work | c_k, so apt-get install an ftp server of some kind? |
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| 14:57.10 | N-0-X_server | ok, sorry abrotman for the spelling mistakes.. |
| 14:57.11 | TinoW | ChrisW: while I guess this is more suited to #python then to #debian ;) |
| 14:57.17 | ChrisW | not sure |
| 14:57.23 | ChrisW | the shell is doing it "debian wise" |
| 14:57.27 | TinoW | ChrisW: what do you mean by "order"? |
| 14:57.30 | ChrisW | I wanna get python to do the same |
| 14:57.32 | abrotman | N-0-X_server: and which key combos ? |
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| 14:57.43 | c_k | yeah apt-get install tftpd |
| 14:57.46 | TinoW | ChrisW: you mean when stdout and stderr are intermixed? |
| 14:57.48 | ChrisW | TinoW: as in the order the lines are shown on the screen |
| 14:57.51 | N-0-X_server | abrotman: well, all the combos, that's the problem! |
| 14:57.53 | ChrisW | TinoW: bingo! |
| 14:57.58 | c_k | that works but I cant find how to start it nothing in /etc/init.d about it at all |
| 14:58.01 | abrotman | N-0-X_server: that doesn't help me .. |
| 14:58.08 | ChrisW | the shell intermixes them "right" |
| 14:58.13 | abrotman | N-0-X_server: for your WM .. or just shell combos ? |
| 14:58.15 | ChrisW | all of pythons bits seem to fuck up the order |
| 14:58.23 | TinoW | ChrisW: your use 2>1& to redirect stderr to stdout |
| 14:58.34 | Ungy | I need help with setting up a Quake3 server on Debian Sarge anyone know a good place to go to find info? |
| 14:58.38 | technos | c_k: Make sure the line in inetd.conf is enabled. I dun think it does it by default. |
| 14:58.41 | TinoW | or 2>&1 or whatever. I always mix this up ;) |
| 14:58.51 | N-0-X_server | abrotman: it is only for shell Combos. Is it because IceWm maybe thinks all the combos are for him? (lol) |
| 14:58.52 | TinoW | yes, 2>&1 it is. |
| 14:58.55 | ChrisW | yeah, but why should I need to do that? |
| 14:59.05 | abrotman | N-0-X_server: c'est possible |
| 14:59.07 | ChrisW | why doesn't python do theright thing? |
| 14:59.16 | c_k | techbos: what you mean |
| 14:59.17 | abrotman | N-0-X_server: do they work if you go to tty1 ? |
| 14:59.19 | TinoW | ChrisW: or just read one line at a time from both descriptors :) |
| 14:59.20 | Gathond | TinoW: 2>&1 directs stderr to the current stdout only though:) |
| 14:59.20 | Ungy | Cause it's python |
| 14:59.25 | caphuso | ChrisW: because it's python </perltroll> :-) |
| 14:59.27 | Mage__ | python rox |
| 14:59.27 | abrotman | you forgot to indent :) |
| 14:59.45 | abrotman | anyone who uses "rox" loses all credibility |
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| 14:59.48 | technos | c_k: It doesn't run by default from inetd I don't think, despite installing it. |
| 14:59.55 | ChrisW | caphuso/Ungy: very fucking helpful, thanks ever so much ;-) |
| 14:59.59 | jethro | python r0x0rz !!111!11 |
| 14:59.59 | Mage__ | python rocks :p |
| 15:00.07 | N-0-X_server | abrotman: yes they do, but the problem is that when I boot i'm directly starting with X, and I don't know how to close X to go the tty... |
| 15:00.13 | c_k | technos: so how do I get around that then |
| 15:00.17 | |rufius| | pike > python > perl ;') |
| 15:00.19 | abrotman | N-0-X_server: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 15:00.28 | N-0-X_server | Mage_: Yeah! Python rox! I agree =) |
| 15:00.29 | ChrisW | what's pike? |
| 15:00.34 | abrotman | heh .. pike |
| 15:00.35 | N-0-X_server | ok, i'll try (2seconds please =) ) |
| 15:00.36 | abrotman | !pike |
| 15:00.36 | dpkg | pike is probably a scripting language, most known in association with the roxen web server -- http://pike.idonex.se |
| 15:00.38 | caphuso | ChrisW: does using unbuffered I/O help? |
| 15:00.45 | technos | c_k: You open up /etc/inetd.conf, scroll down to where you see the tftp line, and uncomment it. |
| 15:00.47 | TinoW | ChrisW: the shell just prints what is in the buffer there. I guess synchronity isnt garantied there as well |
| 15:00.49 | Mage__ | ruby seems to be great too |
| 15:00.54 | ChrisW | caphuso: well, I tried that |
| 15:00.55 | abrotman | i thought pike died |
| 15:00.58 | ChrisW | doesn't seem to |
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| 15:01.06 | |rufius| | abrotman, not even close lol |
| 15:01.07 | ChrisW | I'm also at a loss as to where some of the output is going |
| 15:01.15 | ChrisW | I have 3 future warnings that vanish into thin air... |
| 15:01.15 | |rufius| | they released 7.6.24 not too long ago |
| 15:01.22 | abrotman | |rufius|: damn this strength of open source projects! |
| 15:01.33 | ChrisW | (when run from subprocess.Popen) |
| 15:01.33 | |rufius| | lol |
| 15:01.33 | TinoW | ChrisW: what crazy things do you do so you depend on order of output of stderr related to stdout? |
| 15:01.34 | c_k | yeah it is already uncommented |
| 15:01.36 | LuPuZ | what's the command for searching what's available in apt-get? |
| 15:01.41 | caphuso | LuPuZ: apt-cache |
| 15:01.49 | N-0-X_server | abrotman: I just did 'ctrl+alt+f1' when i was at login prompt, and it worked, i'm now on tty =) thx. ;) |
| 15:01.53 | LuPuZ | thx |
| 15:01.53 | |rufius| | abrotman, granted I like python too but I'm thinking about moving all my projects over to pike ;) |
| 15:01.56 | ChrisW | TinoW: nightly test runner |
| 15:01.59 | abrotman | N-0-X_server: no problem |
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| 15:02.06 | abrotman | |rufius|: why not ruby ? |
| 15:02.09 | ChrisW | want to distunguish between error output and stdout |
| 15:02.16 | ChrisW | but what to keep them in the correct order |
| 15:02.36 | caphuso | ChrisW: there isn't a whole lot you can do |
| 15:02.45 | technos | c_k: K. It should look for images in /tftpboot, so copy em there. name the file <ip in hex>-<arch>-<client>. Err, <ip in hex>-<client>-<arch> |
| 15:02.45 | |rufius| | abrotman, mmmm i'm not as familiar with ruby to be honest, haven't had time to touch it |
| 15:02.59 | |rufius| | I mainly code in python, C, and pike |
| 15:03.03 | abrotman | |rufius|: touch it! |
| 15:03.04 | |rufius| | pike most recently, so |
| 15:03.13 | ChrisW | caphuso: hmm, okay, but why does the shell give a consistent order |
| 15:03.22 | ChrisW | and why is it different to what python does? |
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| 15:03.32 | directhex|work | takatumi, i'm gonna damn well fix this, once and for all. once i decipher the messy c of upstream nvidia-installer, anyway, the plan is to patch it to warn that debian systems should use nvidia-glx, if it finds a /etc/debian_version. i hate c though >_< |
| 15:03.34 | ChrisW | hmm, how can I find out the path of the shell I'm currenlty running? |
| 15:03.53 | directhex|work | $SHELL |
| 15:03.55 | caphuso | ChrisW: do you have a test case code example? |
| 15:04.24 | takatumi | directhex|work: damn, it seems to be getting even more non-trivial. |
| 15:04.28 | technos | ChrisW: Just run env and look for the shell line |
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| 15:05.17 | takatumi | that way ATI is much easier. |
| 15:05.36 | Mage__ | |rufius|: how fast is pike compared to python ? |
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| 15:05.55 | ChrisW | caphuso: sadly not anything small |
| 15:06.07 | |rufius| | Mage_, ummmm far faster lol |
| 15:06.23 | takatumi | but I don't bother with any of them, xorg provides native DRI and I am content with it. no patching, nothing. |
| 15:06.25 | TinoW | ChrisW: maybe you can call the test as module and patch sys.stderr/sys.stdout accordingly before you call? |
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| 15:06.40 | |rufius| | took me about 36 hours on my machine to find the 20 billionth fibonacci number with pike, took almost double that with python |
| 15:06.48 | |rufius| | granted python sucks at big num math |
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| 15:06.57 | directhex|work | takatumi, there is no currently manufactured ati card with open 3d support. |
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| 15:07.26 | abrotman | directhex|work: not from ATI .. but DRI drivers exist that are opn |
| 15:07.27 | abrotman | open |
| 15:07.29 | takatumi | directhex|work: radeon IGP340, it just works. |
| 15:07.34 | TinoW | |rufius|: there are modules when it comes to number crunching |
| 15:07.35 | johnga1t | anyone familiar w/ shorewall? (trying to use wildcards and/or domain names in my rules. is that possible?) |
| 15:07.45 | directhex|work | abrotman, that's not a card |
| 15:07.47 | johnga1t | abrotman: :) |
| 15:08.00 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:08.01 | Delph | |rufius|: does pike fix the python minging things? like not having to declare variables before you use them? |
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| 15:08.11 | takatumi | directhex|work: I see many of the cards mentioned in the changelogs and logs. |
| 15:08.13 | |rufius| | TinoW, true, but pike is still faster in every bench mark i've tried |
| 15:08.42 | directhex|work | takatumi, old stock |
| 15:08.45 | |rufius| | Delph, pike has been around much longer than python, i think its one of if not the oldest script language? I don't remember |
| 15:08.46 | takatumi | directhex|work: so I presume those work as well, this one used to be the toughest to set up until a few months ago. |
| 15:08.46 | TinoW | Delph: its a dynamically typed language |
| 15:08.51 | Delph | ah, right. |
| 15:09.11 | Delph | i thought from the pike > python > perl it was a descendent |
| 15:09.15 | ChrisW | urg |
| 15:09.36 | takatumi | |rufius|: sounds interesting, will try. |
| 15:09.36 | ChrisW | the irony is that if I don't set pipes for stdout and stderr, it behaves exactly as it should... |
| 15:09.46 | |rufius| | nessie is a modified version of pike that takes the syntax of python and the speed of pike and puts them together, its really just an extension of pike, i help with that project a bit |
| 15:10.21 | TinoW | ChrisW: what do you mean with "dont set pipes"? |
| 15:10.29 | |rufius| | takatumi, if you're familiar with C its really easy to pickup, the method blocks, syntax are pretty close |
| 15:10.38 | directhex|work | takatumi, the only free ati 3d acceleration is on the r200 core. the last r200 cards amde are the agp radeon 9200 cards. all current production is on pci express r400 cores, including budget parts such as the radeon x300 |
| 15:10.51 | ChrisW | with the new subprocess module's Popen function, you can just leave the pipes as those of the parent process |
| 15:11.24 | takatumi | directhex|work: but installing flavio's debs seems easy enough. |
| 15:11.37 | takatumi | or am I missing something? |
| 15:11.37 | ChrisW | http://docs.python.org/lib/node234.html] |
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| 15:12.01 | directhex|work | takatumi, flavio's debs are hard to install compared to nvidia - as well as unstable and slow |
| 15:12.02 | abrotman | directhex|work: i thought 9250 was the same core |
| 15:12.21 | TinoW | ChrisW: and how are you reading them? |
| 15:12.39 | takatumi | directhex|work: well I haven't tried either, so wouldn't know. |
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| 15:13.10 | directhex|work | abrotman, i'm not sure what 9x50 cards are, they don't fit too well into the usual number scheme in performance terms. even 9000-9200 shouldn't be 9xxx, since the 9 is meant to be for directx 9 support |
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| 15:13.26 | directhex|work | backup.c: existing_installation_is_borked, op->log_file_name); |
| 15:13.40 | abrotman | directhex|work: the 9250 supposedly works with the xfree radeon driver .. so i assume the same core |
| 15:13.51 | ChrisW | TinoW: well, currently i'm not |
| 15:13.59 | ChrisW | they just go to wherever the shell was |
| 15:14.02 | directhex|work | abrotman, possibly. but it's still a discontinued agp part |
| 15:14.10 | ChrisW | I was reading them with threaded readers to stop the blocking problem: |
| 15:14.17 | abrotman | directhex|work: they just started selling them like 6 months ago |
| 15:14.21 | Naquada | hey all can some one help me install debian on RAID 0 ? |
| 15:14.26 | abrotman | !raid0 |
| 15:14.26 | TinoW | ChrisW: well, thats the same, no? You just need to manage to read the buffers the same time :) |
| 15:14.26 | dpkg | hmm... raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. |
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| 15:14.35 | Naquada | yep |
| 15:14.55 | ChrisW | the process has finished writing to stdout, but is still waiting to write to stderr, but hasn't finished, so everything locks up ;-) |
| 15:15.05 | Naquada | yes i know |
| 15:15.12 | Naquada | i use it for speed ! |
| 15:15.13 | ChrisW | however, with the threaded reader, the lines suddenyl become out of order |
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| 15:15.17 | ChrisW | which I don't understand |
| 15:15.23 | abrotman | Naquada: so use RAID1 ? |
| 15:15.26 | TinoW | ChrisW: even if you thestderr.flush() ? |
| 15:15.28 | ChrisW | hence my question about how a shell deals with the two pipes |
| 15:15.28 | Naquada | not for Redundant |
| 15:15.39 | Naquada | RAID 1 is mirror |
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| 15:15.48 | ChrisW | TinoW: stderr.flush where exactly? |
| 15:15.51 | abrotman | and just as fast in most cases |
| 15:15.55 | Naquada | and than i will only have half the size |
| 15:15.56 | TinoW | ChrisW: I guess it just select() them and read whatever appears |
| 15:16.05 | abrotman | Naquada: but your data will still be there in the morning :) |
| 15:16.27 | ChrisW | hmm, how can I set up a select loop in python to mirror that? |
| 15:16.27 | abrotman | Naquada: software or hardware ? |
| 15:16.29 | Naquada | thats ok my data is not that importent ! |
| 15:16.34 | abrotman | important |
| 15:16.39 | TinoW | ChrisW: on the error-handle you get, after you read the current output of stdout-handle |
| 15:16.59 | ChrisW | TinoW: sorry, didn't follow that at all... |
| 15:17.07 | Naquada | software (board msi neo4 platinum) |
| 15:17.18 | abrotman | board doesn't matter if it's software |
| 15:17.24 | abrotman | read the Software RAID howto |
| 15:17.43 | Naquada | but i have config it on the bios |
| 15:17.44 | TinoW | ChrisW: import select ... r,w,x=select.select([popenstdout,popenstderr],[],[],timeout_in_seconds) |
| 15:17.56 | abrotman | Naquada: so it's not software? |
| 15:17.58 | Naquada | can u send me the URL |
| 15:18.00 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:18.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:18.03 | Naquada | ? |
| 15:18.06 | abrotman | tldp.org .. |
| 15:18.18 | Naquada | i dont know |
| 15:18.20 | |rufius| | lol |
| 15:18.21 | |rufius| | !wud |
| 15:18.21 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 15:18.25 | |rufius| | boo |
| 15:18.30 | |rufius| | lol |
| 15:18.36 | |rufius| | !ne1 |
| 15:18.36 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 15:18.40 | TinoW | ChrisW: do this in a loop and flush all descriptors when select returns, then read whats there |
| 15:18.53 | Naquada | i dont got a defrent controller ! |
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| 15:19.00 | Naquada | so its software ?? |
| 15:19.06 | abrotman | Naquada: no idea |
| 15:19.17 | abrotman | Naquada: i don't know what kind of controller you have |
| 15:19.27 | TinoW | bbl |
| 15:19.45 | freddy | hello.. i need help.. i just installed j2sdk, and i want to know, how do i add ../j2sdk/bin to the enviroment variables? |
| 15:19.52 | Naquada | that only raid "machine" that i got is my m.b |
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| 15:19.59 | freddy | so i can write # javac file.java from every location? |
| 15:20.07 | abrotman | !tell freddy about install java |
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| 15:21.13 | smacnay | If I want to install a slightly newer .deb from an external (non-sources.list) site, is there a way to determine the dependencies for this .deb file? |
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| 15:22.08 | abrotman | smacnay: i think dpkg can tell you .. man dpkg |
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| 15:23.31 | j_k | smacnay: just install it, dpkg will complain if there's anything wrong. |
| 15:24.06 | abrotman | or check before you do it .. there's an idea |
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| 15:24.24 | smacnay | j_k: abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:24.43 | directhex|work | abrotman, Naquada, sata_nv and sata_sil software sata/raid controllers |
| 15:25.00 | abrotman | directhex|work: if you say so :) |
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| 15:25.33 | john6000 | how hard is it to compile your won kernal ( to get spedder bootup) |
| 15:25.38 | john6000 | own* |
| 15:25.50 | smacnay | ah, much better. No errors this time. |
| 15:25.55 | directhex|work | john6000, what does uname -r say? |
| 15:26.11 | K_Dallas | I asked a question earlier and got the answer to use rename + some expression which I found out to be what they call regulat expressions in perl sense. What other commands or where else those expressions are used? thanks |
| 15:26.12 | john6000 | what |
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| 15:26.23 | K_Dallas | regular* |
| 15:26.24 | LuPuZ | What's the command for partition your hdd when you are in Debian? |
| 15:26.33 | K_Dallas | fdisk should do it |
| 15:26.38 | mtnman | lupuz: cfdisk is nicer |
| 15:26.43 | john6000 | yeah |
| 15:26.48 | john6000 | or that kde one |
| 15:26.54 | directhex|work | john6000, if you're incapable of running a command and reporting on the single line of output, compiling a kernel is _FAR_ beyond your capabilities |
| 15:26.55 | john6000 | i forgot its name |
| 15:26.56 | LuPuZ | thx |
| 15:26.58 | js_ | qparted |
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| 15:27.05 | john6000 | ok |
| 15:27.07 | K_Dallas | there is always systemrescueCD which is a bootalbe tool for that and other stuffs |
| 15:27.19 | js_ | maybe its qtparted |
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| 15:27.27 | K_Dallas | that is part of rescueCD |
| 15:27.39 | john6000 | directhex|work you can get lost you loser |
| 15:27.43 | john6000 | calling me thinck |
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| 15:28.00 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:28.01 | LuPuZ | hmmm... i can't access my new hdd... i know it's hdb.. but is there anything i need to do before partition it? |
| 15:28.02 | directhex|work | XD |
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| 15:28.09 | abrotman | that is logloglog worthy i think |
| 15:28.10 | abrotman | resiak: ! |
| 15:28.13 | directhex|work | that's a qotd imho |
| 15:28.16 | vekpos | when im running cupsaddsmb -v -a it doesnt writes the /WIN32X86 folder and the driver files, though there is no error |
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| 15:28.51 | vekpos | anyone who knows a reason for this? |
| 15:28.58 | directhex|work | dpkg, qotd119 is <john6000> directhex|work you can get lost you loser <john6000> calling me thinck |
| 15:28.59 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 15:29.14 | directhex|work | dpkg, qotd0 =~ s/118/118|119/ |
| 15:29.15 | dpkg | directhex|work: OK |
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| 15:29.35 | stouset | directhex|work: How dare you call that man thinck. |
| 15:29.39 | stouset | directhex|work: What'd he ever do to you? |
| 15:30.07 | nilse | i wonder if rtorrent will become a debian package soon ? http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ |
| 15:30.18 | K_Dallas | stouset, i was wondering where else regular expressions like the one you gave me for rename are used? thx |
| 15:30.19 | resiak | abrotman: john6000 ? |
| 15:30.32 | abrotman | resiak: not good enough ? |
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| 15:30.40 | stouset | K_Dallas: regexps are used in perl, grep, sed... |
| 15:30.49 | stouset | K_Dallas: more tools than I could possibly name. |
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| 15:31.06 | stouset | K_Dallas: check O'Reilly's "Mastering Regular Expressions" if you're interested. |
| 15:31.20 | K_Dallas | ok, i am going to, thank you |
| 15:31.45 | K_Dallas | and god said { and there was } ;) |
| 15:31.46 | stouset | No problem. Regular expressions are easily one of the most powerful tools out there. |
| 15:31.48 | resiak | abrotman: Good enough. |
| 15:32.04 | K_Dallas | i agree stouset, they should be |
| 15:32.26 | systemadmin | when using an if staement to read something from command line is the systex if [ -n varible ] to determin it read is blank? |
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| 15:32.46 | K_Dallas | i use total commander under windows for renaming files and it is pretty powerfull, i was looking for something like that under linux |
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| 15:33.25 | SlayerXP | K_Dallas: we have 'mv' |
| 15:33.28 | Gathond | K_Dallas: rename (part of perl) |
| 15:33.47 | K_Dallas | SlayerXP, mv is not that versatile that i want but rename was great |
| 15:34.02 | K_Dallas | unless i could use reg exp with mv! |
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| 15:35.12 | Gathond | K_Dallas: only in the initial match I think |
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| 15:35.21 | Gathond | rename ought to do the trick though |
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| 15:36.19 | K_Dallas | after i learned the basics of reg-exp i will be a rename fanatics ;) |
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| 15:38.08 | whitefunk | hello, i have a script that keeps failing on a system. Is there anything that will monitor the script, if it isnt running it will restart it? |
| 15:38.13 | L00thar | Has any work actually been done on getting apt-get to do rate-limited DLs? I've seen nothing recently. |
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| 15:38.40 | whitefunk | L00thar : what type of switches do you have? |
| 15:38.57 | L00thar | whitefunk: Sorry. Don't understand the question. |
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| 15:39.36 | abrotman | L00thar: trickle |
| 15:39.48 | L00thar | abrotman: trickle doesn't work for me. |
| 15:39.53 | abrotman | pl |
| 15:39.54 | abrotman | ko |
| 15:39.55 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:40.19 | L00thar | abrotman: I read something about some suid progs don't accept trickle |
| 15:40.31 | abrotman | L00thar: oh .. ok .. |
| 15:40.37 | L00thar | And it just don't work with apt-get. |
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| 15:40.58 | L00thar | WHich is why I'm here in this den of thugees again... |
| 15:41.05 | abrotman | thugees ? |
| 15:41.09 | L00thar | ;> |
| 15:41.18 | abrotman | you could try compiling netbrake .. dunno if it has the same issue |
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| 15:41.28 | L00thar | abrotman: netbrake? |
| 15:41.38 | abrotman | L00thar: you'd have to google .. it's not in debian |
| 15:41.42 | L00thar | ok |
| 15:41.52 | abrotman | L00thar: just something i ran across a long time ago :) |
| 15:42.13 | L00thar | abrotman: Still, it would be nice if apt were native rate-limiting. |
| 15:42.27 | abrotman | L00thar: submit a wishlist bug i guess |
| 15:42.36 | L00thar | Oh, it's been done, I'm sure. |
| 15:42.37 | jon_ | does anybody run a conceptronic c54rc with debian or ubuntu? |
| 15:43.18 | LoRez | um, that's yet another feature that doesn't belong in apt. run a tcp slowing proxy and run apt-get with that proxy info |
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| 15:44.00 | L00thar | LoRez: Jumping thru hoops... |
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| 15:44.23 | abrotman | LoRez: that's why i said a wishlist bug ... |
| 15:44.25 | LoRez | not really. fundamental unix thing is that no tool does everything |
| 15:44.38 | LoRez | abrotman: which would be summarily closed, I'm sure. |
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| 15:44.49 | gilvi | alguna chica |
| 15:44.53 | abrotman | LoRez: i realize that might happen .. but he tried |
| 15:44.56 | L00thar | LoRez: So apt should use wget. |
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| 15:45.06 | LoRez | hah, no. |
| 15:45.13 | abrotman | L00thar: why don't you rewrite apt to your liking ? |
| 15:45.19 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - how do i disable the appletalk service? it doesn't appear to have its own init script |
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| 15:45.31 | L00thar | abrotman: Not a solution for busy people. |
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| 15:45.51 | LoRez | L00thar: then jump through the hoops. |
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| 15:46.02 | L00thar | Ever so helpful here... |
| 15:46.05 | systemadmin | when doing read from keyboard how do you tell it the imput is empty? |
| 15:46.06 | abrotman | L00thar: well .. file a wishlist bug .. which will probably be ignored or closed .. or use the stuff that linux provides already |
| 15:46.09 | systemadmin | i am trying |
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| 15:46.24 | LoRez | Super_Cat_Frog: you don't have an /etc/init.d/netatalk ? |
| 15:46.24 | systemadmin | if [ -n $ip ] |
| 15:46.29 | systemadmin | but doent work |
| 15:46.46 | abrotman | L00thar: thank you |
| 15:46.51 | LoRez | L00thar: then use windows. |
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| 15:47.10 | alfatau | hi, how to set fonts for gnome application using other windows manager such as xfce or kde? for example, xchat, synaptic, glade and many other apps have fonts so little it's difficult to read. Can't i set a "global" font configuration for only all gnome applications?? thank you |
| 15:47.14 | exerd | gmm i downloaded a dekslet that shows my networks traffic and i done like this recv speed: ${downspeedf eth1} kb/sec |
| 15:47.21 | jetscreamer | lothar of the hill people, dselect is your god |
| 15:47.22 | exerd | is eth 1 right? |
| 15:47.48 | L00thar | abrotman: LoRez: Thanx for the early advice. All "RTFM" stuff can go hang. |
| 15:47.52 | jetscreamer | the first one is usually eth0 |
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| 15:47.59 | directhex|work | alfatau, xfce4 has a font config screen, which controls your gtk2 font size. |
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| 15:48.07 | directhex|work | alfatau, or use the gtk-theme-switch package |
| 15:48.10 | jetscreamer | is that loother? |
| 15:48.20 | whitefunk | is there something that i can do within debian that will monitor a script in realtime, if that process isnt running, it will start it? |
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| 15:48.33 | alfatau | directhex|work: ok, thanks |
| 15:48.35 | LoRez | whitefunk: write a script? |
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| 15:49.03 | whitefunk | LoRez : I have nonexistant scripting skills. |
| 15:49.27 | Super_Cat_Frog | LoRez - i found it, i didn't think of looking anywhere other thn atalk or appletalk |
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| 15:49.45 | LoRez | Super_Cat_Frog: dpkg -L is your friend |
| 15:50.12 | Super_Cat_Frog | lorez - thanks |
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| 15:52.54 | jetscreamer | ooops ^^^ |
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| 15:53.03 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:53.14 | Active2 | jetscreamer, hehe ;) |
| 15:53.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: the l00ther? . stupid lipth |
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| 15:54.00 | jetscreamer | (no offense to anybody who actually does lisp btw) |
| 15:54.27 | boycer | yeth, that'th tho inthenthitive of you |
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| 15:56.11 | TwistedEmotions | Is there any program out there designed to remove debian errors durring bootup because I get the "Driver already loaded error like 20 times for each deal..." ? |
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| 15:56.31 | raf256 | hwat package would You reccomend for downloading huge file (few connections at once, adding URLs/mirrors,resumming files, etc) |
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| 15:57.28 | dfzi | how can i chroot user to it's homedir? |
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| 15:58.43 | vezult | alright, i give in. how the hell do get mod_python working? |
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| 15:58.58 | vezult | do i get, rather |
| 15:59.20 | lucas__ | i dont if this is the right channel to ask in, but ... |
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| 16:00.10 | lucas__ | when you su in a shell script to another user, and you then log off, and the process running under the su'ed user gets killed, isit possible to access the original shell that spawned it |
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| 16:01.03 | rob_lt | vezult, I wrote a little howto when I used gentoo (I know, I know) that might help you... not sure :) |
| 16:01.06 | rob_lt | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-49397-highlight-.html |
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| 16:02.06 | raboof | hi. i'm using mozilla-thunderbird on sarge. For some mails, it seems to crash with `relocation error: /usr/lib/libgnomevfs-2.so.0: undefined symbol: xmlTextReaderConstName'. |
| 16:02.10 | raboof | should i file that as a bug? |
| 16:02.18 | Glidounet | yes |
| 16:02.18 | stouset | raboof: Sure. |
| 16:02.37 | raboof | might there be some way to pinpoint the bug more exactly, in order to write a more useful bugreport? |
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| 16:03.07 | Glidounet | raboof, you'd to tell exactly what you quote to get this error |
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| 16:03.16 | aalex | Hi! I just installed a netinstall debian on my P2, but my X still doesn't work. It seems like i cant install the desktop type of default installation. I choose mail server by mistake. Now, should reinstall it? |
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| 16:03.56 | petemc | aalex: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 16:03.57 | aalex | Oterwise, how can I install a X that works ? I tryed apt-get install kde |
| 16:04.09 | Glidounet | na |
| 16:04.13 | raboof | should i file against mozilla-thunderbird or against libgnomevfs2-0? not both i guess. |
| 16:04.40 | aalex | Glidounet, naa? |
| 16:04.42 | Glidounet | raboof, if u where looking for mozilla-thunderbird send Bug for it |
| 16:04.54 | Hell-Man | can anyone give a adress too a home page that explaines how to get 5.1 and 7.1 working on a SB Live! 24-bits 7.1 sndcard |
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| 16:05.14 | Glidounet | aalex, i think you'd to kill graphic screen |
| 16:05.18 | Glidounet | and reinstall it |
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| 16:05.24 | Glidounet | apt-get reinstall |
| 16:05.29 | Hell-Man | i can't find any .. have googled 2day now and only get problem pages about other stuff |
| 16:05.31 | Glidounet | or apt-get remove & apt-get install |
| 16:05.31 | petemc | Glidounet: whats that now? |
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| 16:06.08 | Glidounet | if it's a X pb, installing KDE or Gnome won't change anything |
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| 16:06.26 | punkass | i know i shall be shunned for saying the W word here, but does anyone know of a tabbed ssh client for windows... putty with tabs would be great, i want it for accessing my debian servers |
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| 16:06.42 | aalex | apt-get remove what, Glidounet |
| 16:06.52 | Glidounet | what do u mean about tabs punkass ? |
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| 16:07.05 | petemc | aalex: did you read the factoid from the bot yet? |
| 16:07.10 | aalex | yes |
| 16:07.13 | petemc | and? |
| 16:07.29 | petemc | its fairly succinct |
| 16:07.29 | aalex | petemc, well, i'll try that tonight |
| 16:07.31 | rob_lt | just installing kde or gnome does not pull in a x-window-system |
| 16:07.32 | Glidounet | aalex, do u have any graphic screen ? |
| 16:07.35 | punkass | Glidounet: multiple connections in the same window, sort of like firefox browser |
| 16:07.37 | Glidounet | or only prompt ? |
| 16:07.42 | aalex | Glidounet, no |
| 16:07.43 | Glidounet | k |
| 16:07.48 | aalex | just CLI |
| 16:07.53 | Glidounet | k |
| 16:08.01 | derflo | aalex: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 16:08.14 | rob_lt | aalex, what derflo said |
| 16:08.16 | aalex | oh, thanks derflo |
| 16:08.17 | Glidounet | punkass, the only ssh client i know on linux is putty |
| 16:08.38 | punkass | ok thanks |
| 16:08.44 | aalex | what about xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:08.47 | Glidounet | try linux :D |
| 16:08.50 | cmatheson | i'm trying to install x but my upgrade is dying on libxv1 "trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1.0', which is also in package xlibs" any ideas? |
| 16:08.52 | Glidounet | yep aalex |
| 16:08.56 | Glidounet | i think about that |
| 16:08.59 | theccsscontact | i thought puty was a windows client |
| 16:09.00 | theccsscontact | lol |
| 16:09.01 | Glidounet | xfree86 |
| 16:09.05 | theccsscontact | putty* |
| 16:09.11 | aalex | better, Glidounet ? ok |
| 16:09.14 | Glidounet | try to reinstall it |
| 16:09.37 | Glidounet | what does it tell you when u try to run KDE or Gnome ? |
| 16:09.45 | aalex | no X server |
| 16:09.59 | Glidounet | hmmm |
| 16:10.04 | Glidounet | i already have this pb |
| 16:10.07 | rob_lt | aalex, x-window-system is a meta package that provides xfree86 as well as other things that you need. |
| 16:10.12 | Glidounet | cuz' of my graphic card |
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| 16:10.56 | aalex | yeah, might be the card : i didn't have to configure it anywhere yet |
| 16:10.56 | snooo | where are the sshd logs kept under debian? |
| 16:11.03 | drac | rob_lt: including a lot of stuff you'll never need, that's why x-window-system-core is nicer package :) |
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| 16:11.29 | aalex | drac : but i would be better to use x-window-system, no ? |
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| 16:11.42 | MastrYoda | I've been doing apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade for the last two weeks and there haven't been any updates. |
| 16:11.45 | drac | aalex: if you need xnest, x proxys, xfs .. |
| 16:11.49 | MastrYoda | But there used to be updates every 2 or 3 days. |
| 16:11.55 | Glidounet | /var/log ?? |
| 16:11.55 | MastrYoda | Any reason for this? |
| 16:11.58 | drac | aalex: if you don't, use -core |
| 16:12.07 | snooo | oooh |
| 16:12.08 | aalex | i do not care, actually |
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| 16:12.12 | snooo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:12.42 | aalex | ok, thanks guys, thanks dpkg :-) |
| 16:12.48 | Glidounet | huhu |
| 16:12.58 | Glidounet | aalex, try to found drivers |
| 16:13.06 | Glidounet | for graphic card |
| 16:13.12 | petemc | ... |
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| 16:14.20 | snooo | what file should it be under? |
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| 16:14.52 | petemc | snooo: /var/log/auth.log |
| 16:15.04 | cmatheson | is their any well known problems about installing x11 right now on unstable? |
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| 16:15.23 | Glidounet | this log already log tty log |
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| 16:17.13 | snooo | petemc: cheers |
| 16:17.38 | Glidounet | by reading this file |
| 16:17.48 | Glidounet | u can found some login to use in the next sshd bruteforcer ;) |
| 16:17.58 | Glidounet | May 5 20:35:04 localhost sshd[11052]: Invalid user aron from ::ffff:80.60.170.106 |
| 16:17.58 | Glidounet | May 5 20:35:05 localhost sshd[11054]: Invalid user austin from ::ffff:80.60.170.106 |
| 16:17.58 | Glidounet | May 5 20:35:06 localhost sshd[11057]: Invalid user barbara from ::ffff:80.60.170.106 |
| 16:17.58 | Glidounet | May 5 20:35:07 localhost sshd[11059]: Invalid user bart from ::ffff:80.60.170.106 |
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| 16:18.06 | Glidounet | lol |
| 16:18.07 | petemc | cmatheson: if there were, they should be in the bts |
| 16:18.11 | drac | !lol |
| 16:18.11 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. |
| 16:18.17 | supaman | !u |
| 16:18.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:18.28 | TwistedEmotions | Glidounet: Use #flood next time... you would get kicked.. |
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| 16:18.40 | and_ | hello, i have question: installed sarge and updated kernel to 2.6.10-1, unpacked source 2.6.10-1 and now i'm making 'make modules', but files are.o .. i thought that in 2.6 they are .ko |
| 16:18.49 | TwistedEmotions | Glidounet: I mean you won't get kicked if you use that room. |
| 16:19.11 | Glidounet | ohhh |
| 16:19.11 | Glidounet | netsplit |
| 16:19.11 | Glidounet | :) |
| 16:19.11 | TwistedEmotions | !split |
| 16:19.11 | drac | and_: You don't. apt-get install kernel-package. man make-kpkg. |
| 16:19.11 | dpkg | it has been said that split is what the name says, it splits files into pieces. split --bytes=1400000 FILE FILE_ to split; cat FILE_* > FILE to merge. |
| 16:19.14 | cmatheson | oh wait i'm retarded and my sources.list had some stable stuff mixed in their somehow... |
| 16:19.18 | TwistedEmotions | hehe |
| 16:19.21 | Glidounet | huhu |
| 16:19.24 | TwistedEmotions | wrong command... |
| 16:19.28 | TwistedEmotions | !netsplit |
| 16:19.29 | dpkg | from memory, netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 16:19.35 | TwistedEmotions | there we go ;) |
| 16:19.43 | Glidounet | huhu |
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| 16:19.54 | Glidounet | !takeover |
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| 16:20.01 | Glidounet | k :D |
| 16:20.05 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 16:20.19 | and_ | i want to patch orinoco drivers http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23596 |
| 16:20.43 | Glidounet | i want 500 000 000 000 $$ |
| 16:20.48 | Glidounet | :) |
| 16:21.00 | TwistedEmotions | ^^^^ italitan.. |
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| 16:21.09 | TwistedEmotions | which means he needs two dollars |
| 16:21.40 | Lorvija | http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/breaking/breakingnewsarticle.asp?feed=OBR&Date=20050511&ID=4441495 <-- |
| 16:21.46 | Glidounet | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 16:21.50 | Glidounet | .msn.com |
| 16:21.51 | Kerr | take at will |
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| 16:22.37 | Kerr | geh |
| 16:23.05 | trnuodilG | :) |
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| 16:23.07 | fourcheeze | how do I perform a network boot without knowing the MAC address of the NIc of the machine I want to boot? |
| 16:23.14 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
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| 16:23.23 | raboof | anyone else use thunderbird on sarge? does the mail in mbox file bzzt.net/~arnouten/thunderbug crash yours, too? |
| 16:23.30 | TwistedEmotions | Lorvija: Why did they evac the white house? |
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| 16:23.39 | Lorvija | no idea |
| 16:23.44 | Glidounet | not running Sarge raboof :/ |
| 16:23.49 | silver_cpu | hi, everyone. i'm looking for a good way to reinstall windows xp on a dual-boot system. is there any way of doing this, without overwriting the mbr? |
| 16:23.50 | TwistedEmotions | Errrr? |
| 16:23.51 | Lorvija | friend had read somewhere that cesna was in forbidden zone |
| 16:24.09 | Lorvija | thats around 5 mins old news so not that much details available anywhere yet (: |
| 16:24.10 | TwistedEmotions | You guys need to watch the movie Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room |
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| 16:25.00 | fourcheeze | Anyone here ever installed sarge off a netboot? |
| 16:25.02 | Lorvija | 11 May 2005 16:20:42 GMT WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. authorities gave the all clear |
| 16:25.02 | Lorvija | on Wednesday after evacuating the White House and Congress in |
| 16:25.02 | Lorvija | response to a feared threat from an unidentified aircraft, |
| 16:25.02 | Lorvija | officials said.Four suicide attacks kill at least |
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| 16:25.08 | Lorvija | duh sorry (: |
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| 16:25.58 | TwistedEmotions | Lorvija: Wtf... there have been 4 suicide attacks? |
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| 16:26.32 | Lorvija | TwistedEmotions wait ill find some proper info :E was fast copy from .rss page so not sure if that suicide thing had anything to do with it (: |
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| 16:27.10 | Lorvija | yea, that suicide thing was from baghdad.. |
| 16:27.10 | TwistedEmotions | Lorvija: loll kk getting ready for school... leaving in 2 minutes so dont trip... thanks for the info :) |
| 16:27.14 | TwistedEmotions | ohh kk |
| 16:27.15 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 16:27.23 | TwistedEmotions | later guys |
| 16:27.27 | Lorvija | cu (: |
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| 16:28.38 | w0ls0n | okay, I downloaded the latest cd. still no no. Same problems as yesterday. |
| 16:28.46 | w0ls0n | still no go even |
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| 16:29.18 | silver_cpu | anyone know of a good way to recover my mbr, if i'm going to do a windows install after i've installed linux? |
| 16:29.19 | cmatheson | oh it's still dead... i can't install libxv1 because of xlibs..., and everything i need is depending on libxv1. what should i do w/ that |
| 16:29.20 | cmatheson | ? |
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| 16:29.55 | silver_cpu | i'm reinstalling windows, for gaming, but i'm not sure how the "debian" way of doing things goes |
| 16:30.15 | CosmoDad | how'd I install all packages on host B that exist on host A but not not B easily? |
| 16:30.45 | technos | silver_cpu: No MBR recovery required. Windows will present you with a partitioner to partition the disc and format. |
| 16:30.47 | raboof | CosmoDad: maybe do something with the output of `dpkg --get-selections' |
| 16:31.00 | CosmoDad | raboof: thought so too, but it'd require some filtering somehow |
| 16:31.14 | silver_cpu | technos, yes i know, but when i create a partition from dead space with that, won't it overwrite my mbr? |
| 16:31.24 | CosmoDad | raboof: as I don't want to lose B's packages that A doesn't have |
| 16:31.42 | silver_cpu | i still need to use grub to boot linux, but maybe i'm getting confused |
| 16:31.45 | w0ls0n | I try to install debain via cd. I boot off the cd and go through a few prompts. It then gets to detectibng devices. it then asks for the cd when the thing booted off the cd. If I try the floppies, it doesn't detect my NIC. |
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| 16:32.02 | technos | silver_cpu: Oh, yes. You'll have to boot off a recovery disc and rerun lilo is all. |
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| 16:32.11 | silver_cpu | oh, ok |
| 16:32.23 | silver_cpu | will the debian install disc function as a recovery disc? |
| 16:32.37 | raboof | CosmoDad: dpkg --get-selections | grep [^e]install | cut -d " " -f 1 > toinstall |
| 16:32.43 | technos | silver_cpu: Yup. |
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| 16:32.53 | silver_cpu | technos, cool thanks for the info |
| 16:33.13 | green_earz | w0ls0n: woody or sarge ? |
| 16:33.18 | w0ls0n | sarge |
| 16:33.20 | raboof | CosmoDad: then on other machine `apt-get install' them all. or am i misunderstanding the problem? |
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| 16:33.40 | CosmoDad | raboof: no I think that looks good |
| 16:34.06 | CosmoDad | raboof: why excluding packages with an e before install, however? |
| 16:34.15 | jason | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.28 | jethro | yeah |
| 16:34.34 | jethro | !pal jason |
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| 16:34.45 | raboof | CosmoDad: that's meant to exclude all packages that are marked `deinstall' |
| 16:34.56 | w0ls0n | I dont know what else to try |
| 16:34.56 | CosmoDad | raboof: ok perfect |
| 16:35.17 | CosmoDad | raboof: I think I'll give that a try... you think apt-get install <file> will work? |
| 16:35.28 | raboof | CosmoDad: probably not :) |
| 16:35.35 | green_earz | w0ls0n: check if the integrity of the cd is ok, on the main menu of the install there is a integrity cd check opition. it may be a poor burn ?? |
| 16:35.36 | CosmoDad | raboof: hm.. |
| 16:35.53 | raboof | CosmoDad: vim file, `1000J', append `#!/bin/bash' :) |
| 16:35.58 | green_earz | w0ls0n: sorry installer not install |
| 16:36.14 | w0ls0n | ill check the cd integrity. the cdrom works fine with other distros |
| 16:36.30 | raboof | CosmoDad: oh, and `apt-get install' of course :) |
| 16:37.01 | exerd | how do i connect to an ftp with port 242? is it ftp orbitz.ath.cx:242 |
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| 16:37.16 | jethro | exerd: man ftp, or man <yourftpclient> |
| 16:37.23 | CosmoDad | raboof: what's J in vi doing? |
| 16:37.55 | Lee__ | what would be a good program to make an image of a base system (including bootloader) to dump on a CF card? |
| 16:37.56 | raboof | CosmoDad: in vi i'm not sure, but in vim it turns the endline of the current line into a space |
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| 16:38.07 | raboof | CosmoDad: i.e. it `joins' the current and next line |
| 16:38.09 | CosmoDad | raboof: oh nice |
| 16:38.15 | systemadmin | anyone failiar with the -n command in bash programming? |
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| 16:38.35 | jethro | systemadmin: #bash might be a better support |
| 16:39.54 | CosmoDad | raboof: the cutting somehow doesn't work... |
| 16:40.06 | CosmoDad | raboof: I get a file full of:<packet_name> install |
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| 16:41.04 | whm | d |
| 16:41.32 | raboof | CosmoDad: note the thingy between the "" is a tab |
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| 16:42.00 | CosmoDad | raboof: just realized, and how'd I tell that to grep? |
| 16:42.07 | raboof | (if `tab' tries to expand in your shell, try `ctrl-V tab') |
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| 16:42.26 | CosmoDad | raboof: ah got it |
| 16:42.40 | CosmoDad | raboof: grep assumes tabs by default, so leaving out the -d argument helped |
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| 16:43.35 | raboof | (CosmoDad: you mean `cut', btw) |
| 16:43.53 | raboof | but indeed, sweet, didn't know that |
| 16:44.25 | sparr_ | how do i change what x-web-browser points to (the right way, not just making a new link)? |
| 16:44.35 | CosmoDad | raboof: sure |
| 16:44.57 | raboof | sparr_: (not sure) with update-alternatives > |
| 16:44.59 | raboof | ? |
| 16:45.22 | tarzeau | raboof! |
| 16:45.27 | raboof | hey tarzeau! |
| 16:46.09 | w0ls0n | ill check the cd integrity. the cdrom works fine with other distros |
| 16:46.14 | w0ls0n | brb |
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| 16:46.55 | w0ls0n | nothing on the F1-F10 keys says anything about cd integrity |
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| 16:48.41 | ajhm | hola |
| 16:48.41 | umbop | hmm anyone familiar with courier-imap? |
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| 16:48.41 | cplx | anyone here familiar with psybnc? |
| 16:48.41 | jetscreamer | isn't that a font? :o |
| 16:48.41 | green_earz | w0ls0n: the integrity check is on the main menu of the installer. get back the that menu and its there |
| 16:48.42 | tictac | im having an issue with a dell inspiron 5150 running sid. for some reason, the system hangs when trying to 'Test lilo.conf' when installing a kernel, when i try and mount a cd, also when i try and shutdown. i get all the messages like its working, however it doesnt. anyone have any further direction on where i should go to solve this? |
| 16:48.51 | w0ls0n | it just says press f1 for help or enter to boot |
| 16:49.09 | tictac | not getting any abnormal messages in syslog either. |
| 16:49.14 | stew | umbop: / cplx if you have real questions, just ask them, don't poll |
| 16:49.41 | cplx | stew: it requires a bit of pasting to show the actual problem |
| 16:49.48 | umbop | well i wanted to know how to enable full name login for imap i.e. user@domain.com |
| 16:49.56 | umbop | for IMAP |
| 16:49.56 | green_earz | w0ls0n: when the cd as booted |
| 16:50.10 | stew | cplx: /msg dpkg paster |
| 16:50.24 | green_earz | w0ls0n, for the net installer cd > http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:50.46 | w0ls0n | I have the netinstall |
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| 16:50.54 | green_earz | ok |
| 16:50.54 | rue_mohr | hello |
| 16:51.05 | stew | umbop: what do you auth against? pam? or something like ldap/mysql? |
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| 16:52.00 | raboof | (me notes `against' and `with', in that sentence, would mean the same thing. funny.) |
| 16:52.08 | rue_mohr | I have a dead system I need to pull the 'package list' from, can someone give me an idea of what files to look at? |
| 16:52.09 | cplx | http://channels.debian.net/paste/120 - That is the result whilst attempting to configure psybnc. |
| 16:52.13 | umbop | mysql |
| 16:52.20 | tictac | also, another weird problem im having is that the system is running 'too fast' meaning the system clock, like its running double time. every one normal second is two for the machine. |
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| 16:52.45 | raboof | rue_mohr: dpkg --get-selections | grep [^e]install |
| 16:52.53 | stew | umbop: if you auth against mysql then the @domain.com is a required part of the username unless the domain happens to be the defualt domain, then its optional |
| 16:53.14 | rue_mohr | raboof, great, but its dead, as in not running |
| 16:53.30 | stew | umbop: just make sure you are putting the @domain.com part in the id field in the database |
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| 16:53.33 | raboof | rue_mohr: oops ;) |
| 16:53.38 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 16:53.38 | exerd | im trying to connect to a ftp but it fails to get the dir list 200 PORT command successful. 425 Data connection failed. |
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| 16:54.00 | ron_ | Is /etc/modules.conf the same(supports same syntax) accross distro's? |
| 16:54.20 | cplx | result whilst attempting to configure psybnc. - http://channels.debian.net/paste/120 |
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| 16:54.34 | N-0-X_server | i have a problem while installing php5 on my Debian testing. The libmm11 module is not installable... How come? (i'm installing php4 right now, because my server MUST be up by tomorrow morning, but will the problem be corrected? is it a problem with MY machine? Cold it be due to my obsolete kernel? Thx.) |
| 16:54.37 | rue_mohr | raboof, do you know where it gets its stuff from? |
| 16:54.45 | raboof | rue_mohr: no, sorry |
| 16:54.51 | rue_mohr | I thought there was something in var, cant find it |
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| 16:55.10 | raboof | rue_mohr: /var/lib/dpkg has some stuff, but i don't see what you're looking for there yet |
| 16:55.19 | _joey | could someone recommend a compact, non noisy cases please? |
| 16:55.54 | raboof | rue_mohr: /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
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| 16:56.30 | raboof | rue_mohr: with a small perl script shouldn't be too hard to extract what you need i'd say, right? |
| 16:56.32 | rue_mohr | raboof, yes, just checking that out, I think thats it |
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| 16:56.41 | rue_mohr | quite |
| 16:56.50 | _joey | if I could only add a single pci card to xbox and run linux on it, would be a perfect choice ;) |
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| 16:57.23 | raboof | doesn't the xbox run hot when it's on long? |
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| 16:57.38 | cplx | I am trying to configure psybnc after it has been un-tar'd, the result after I type make menuconfigure: http://channels.debian.net/paste/120 |
| 16:57.38 | umbop | hmm actually i lied it's not using mysql like i thoguth it was it's using MAILPASSWD and a AUTHMODULE |
| 16:57.54 | melita | hi all |
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| 16:58.06 | _joey | raboof it could, still a good system for the money |
| 16:58.20 | _joey | $150 retail price |
| 16:58.32 | raboof | true, that's not half bad |
| 16:58.41 | _joey | pii 886, 10g hdd, nvidia graphics card, dvd player , rmote control |
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| 16:58.50 | _joey | piii |
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| 16:59.04 | _joey | ethernet/sond |
| 16:59.29 | _joey | and linux runs on this bugger |
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| 16:59.48 | tictac | hmm |
| 16:59.57 | _joey | excellent box for your entertainment centre in the lounge room |
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| 17:00.03 | ron_ | Is this a valid line for /etc/modules? |
| 17:00.05 | ron_ | options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=8 |
| 17:00.25 | exerd | whats the command to take a screenshot? |
| 17:00.46 | tictac | whenever i run certain commands (mount, shutdown, lilo) the terminal hangs.. the process doesnt seem to ever 'start', however ps shows it running and killing it doesnt have any effect. ps still shows the processes after the fact. anyone have any idea whats going on? |
| 17:00.48 | ron_ | exerd: You can use imagemagick |
| 17:01.00 | exerd | yea but i want the command |
| 17:01.06 | ron_ | exerd: Read the manpage |
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| 17:01.14 | tictac | running sid w/ 2.6.11.8 |
| 17:01.32 | ron_ | Anyway, the manpage of /etc/modules is three lines and doesn't really help. |
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| 17:02.01 | usuario | .com |
| 17:02.17 | ron_ | More in general: can I use a line like option somemodule someoptions? |
| 17:02.18 | cadu | ron_: what do you wanna know ? |
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| 17:02.39 | usuario | what |
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| 17:02.46 | ron_ | cadu: I want to know whether the line I put above is valid. |
| 17:02.55 | ron_ | cadu: Syntax |
| 17:02.57 | usuario | no te entiendo |
| 17:03.13 | ron_ | cadu: options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=8 |
| 17:03.17 | cadu | ron_: nvidias proprietary driver doesn't starts automagically at Agp8X ? |
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| 17:03.18 | cplx | I am trying to configure psybnc after it has been un-tar'd, the result after I type make menuconfigure: http://channels.debian.net/paste/120 |
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| 17:03.36 | ron_ | cadu: I don't know, but it goes way to slow. |
| 17:03.43 | cadu | ron_: graphic card ? |
| 17:03.46 | Jeo | how can we have a list of email by command line in Exim4 |
| 17:03.47 | Jeo | ? |
| 17:03.53 | ron_ | cadu: Leadtek 5900XT |
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| 17:04.09 | Jeo | I guess some email is crashing the queue |
| 17:04.10 | green_earz | ron_: at the link there may be some info that can help > http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/hardware.html |
| 17:04.16 | raboof | cplx: install libc6-dev? |
| 17:04.21 | cadu | ron_: how slow? i'm using a geforce fx5200 64bit and i can play bzflag @ 1280x1024 with a insane fps |
| 17:04.30 | cadu | :-) |
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| 17:04.43 | ron_ | cadu: It's below 22 fps sometimes. |
| 17:04.47 | Jeo | someone here is confident with exim4? |
| 17:04.49 | cadu | ron_: in bzflag ?! |
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| 17:04.55 | ron_ | cadu: No, ut2004 |
| 17:04.56 | cadu | o_O |
| 17:04.58 | nydust | What do i need to get debian act like an windows2000 server? i have some windows clients and need them to log on the domain... |
| 17:04.59 | cadu | ron_: ah! |
| 17:04.59 | Jeo | it is punching me |
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| 17:05.07 | nydust | debian to act |
| 17:05.09 | cadu | ron_: and in windows you get 100~200 fps or so right ? |
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| 17:05.18 | ron_ | cadu: No, about 60-70 |
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| 17:05.30 | ron_ | cadu: I never updated drivers... |
| 17:05.31 | Rawplayer | nydust: samba |
| 17:05.32 | cadu | ron_: your ut2004 maybe has some symlink to a libGL.so on its folder...check it...causes some problems with games |
| 17:05.49 | nydust | rawplayer: just that? |
| 17:05.57 | ron_ | cadu: And I should remove it, or what? |
| 17:05.59 | Rawplayer | yes |
| 17:06.02 | EmleyMoor | Can I have some freeze-time advice please? I have one machine on "testing" and one on "stable" that I wish to take into freeze, and one on "testing" that I wish to leave as such - what do I need to do? |
| 17:06.18 | nydust | Rawplayer: any good torials that can tell me what to do? |
| 17:06.25 | Mage_ | nydust: or samba + smbldaptools + slapd |
| 17:06.46 | cadu | ron_: read the NVIDIA-GLX readme at /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA... it has an appendix talking about these symlinks in the folder of opengl games causing slowness and instability |
| 17:07.00 | ron_ | cadu: Ok |
| 17:07.07 | ron_ | cadu: Thanks |
| 17:07.07 | stew | EmleyMoor: if you have a machine that is testing and you want it to remain testing do nothing, if you want it to remain sarge after the release, replace testing with sarge in sources.list |
| 17:07.08 | cadu | ron_: i read it today :) |
| 17:07.19 | mirak | JarJarBinks: die |
| 17:07.34 | EmleyMoor | stew: OK... what about my stable box? |
| 17:07.35 | stew | EmleyMoor: if you want to transition a stable box to sarge (frozen), then /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 17:07.40 | EmleyMoor | Ah |
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| 17:07.56 | Jeo | yes, after to set up a lord sith as chanceller |
| 17:07.59 | Leira | i failed debmirror from even ftp.debian.org~~ |
| 17:08.04 | Jeo | he should die |
| 17:08.08 | cadu | aaaaaa |
| 17:08.15 | EmleyMoor | stew: That seems to only have given me the second part |
| 17:08.21 | pingouin | someone know a way to get out xx sec of sound in xx language from a DVD ? |
| 17:08.41 | w0ls0n | I CAN'T CHECK THE CDROM INTEGRITY WHEN THE THING DOESNT SEE THE CD TO BEGIN WITH BUT IT DOES BOOT OFF THE CD?! WTF IS GOING ON? |
| 17:08.44 | w0ls0n | sorry about caps |
| 17:08.51 | Scruff[AW] | :| |
| 17:08.55 | ron_ | cadu: I am not running a special nvidia kernel. Should I do that, or doesn't it matter? |
| 17:08.57 | EmleyMoor | stew: It starts with the word "Then"... is it nevertheless correct? |
| 17:08.58 | Leira | it seems because dist/sarge/main/source/Source.gz checksum filed,and no Source |
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| 17:09.20 | stew | !woody->sarge |
| 17:09.27 | rue_mohr | DEBIAN_FRONTEND, who knows what packages are needed for which options? |
| 17:09.30 | ron_ | cadu: Never mind |
| 17:09.38 | cadu | ron_: you have to compiler your own kernel....leave its sources somewhere (/usr/src/linux is a good place) and run the nvidia package installer...it'll build a kernel module specialized for your kernel |
| 17:09.39 | rue_mohr | what can I use if I have dialog? |
| 17:09.41 | stew | !test |
| 17:09.41 | dpkg | No, stew, you're not online any more. |
| 17:09.44 | w0ls0n | nobody has an answer for that, eh? |
| 17:09.51 | stew | @woody->sarge |
| 17:09.52 | cadu | !caps |
| 17:09.52 | dpkg | Do not type whole lines/nicks in caps. It's bloody annoying and will make people not want to answer you. |
| 17:10.02 | w0ls0n | I said sorry about caps |
| 17:10.10 | stew | hrm |
| 17:10.10 | cadu | !sorry_about_caps |
| 17:10.13 | cadu | :) |
| 17:10.19 | green_earz | EmleyMoor: on the apt primer link there is a section on upgrade dist > http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
| 17:10.25 | w0ls0n | why don't you scroll up and read what I said? |
| 17:10.29 | valdyn | rue_mohr: apt-cache show debconf, look at the Suggests line |
| 17:10.30 | cadu | bah |
| 17:10.37 | w0ls0n | 2nd day and still no Debian install |
| 17:10.42 | rue_mohr | valdyn, thanks |
| 17:10.43 | w0ls0n | I am switching to something else |
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| 17:12.02 | Leira | it can that case http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dist/sarge/main/source/Source.gz has a bad check sum?! |
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| 17:12.47 | rue_mohr | valdyn, ok, I have dialog, so, which of text,newt, slang, ncurses, bogl, corba can I use? |
| 17:12.49 | ron_ | Shouldn't tar xz somefile be the same as gunzip -c somefile? THe latter command works does what I want. |
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| 17:13.21 | rue_mohr | maybe text is safe enough? |
| 17:13.25 | mirak | is it possible to mount an iso with pmount ? |
| 17:13.33 | valdyn | rue_mohr: this doesnt seem to be related to debconf at all, which package are you talking about? |
| 17:13.43 | EmleyMoor | Are we using the tag "frozen"? |
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| 17:13.49 | rue_mohr | valdyn, this is to make apt happy |
| 17:14.11 | valdyn | rue_mohr: no, which package ( certainly not apt ) |
| 17:14.12 | cafard | hi there, i'm trying to compile the plib 3d library, but the configure scripts finds no usable GL library ("checking for glNewList in -lMesaGL... no"). Anyone knows which -dev package i might be missing? i already have all the xlibmesa-*-dev |
| 17:14.29 | Kempston | exim hangs on "generating 512 bit RSA key" what could be wrong / |
| 17:14.49 | rue_mohr | valdyn, export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text |
| 17:14.51 | stew | EmleyMoor: no, use "testing" or "sarge", and use aptitude dist-upgrade, not apt-get |
| 17:15.03 | ron_ | cadu: In what section were those remarks about instability again? |
| 17:15.07 | rue_mohr | valdyn, debootstrap ~ |
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| 17:15.22 | EmleyMoor | Fair enough, no problem |
| 17:16.15 | joemc | anyone know a resource where is can find a ls -al of /bin |
| 17:16.15 | raf256 | whaat was that program to accelearte downloading? it worked in X afair |
| 17:16.15 | joemc | i believe a few permissions are off |
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| 17:16.15 | EmleyMoor | As things movew on after release, should my testing box automatically follow into etch? |
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| 17:16.15 | valdyn | rue_mohr: text should safely work |
| 17:16.15 | stew | EmleyMoor: if you use "testing" yes |
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| 17:16.37 | stew | EmleyMoor: when sarge releases, they create etch, and change the "testing" symlink to point to etch |
| 17:16.43 | drac | EmleyMoor: you still have time to change it to "sarge" |
| 17:17.04 | cadu | ron_: appendix <foo> or something |
| 17:18.18 | EmleyMoor | Fine - just I want to keep my database box on testing whatever it is, but keep my laptop on sarge right through |
| 17:18.18 | cadu | ron_: cat <file> | grep -i "libgl.s?o" something like that |
| 17:18.18 | cadu | oh |
| 17:18.18 | valdyn | rue_mohr: id have a look at /usr/share/doc/debootstrap |
| 17:18.18 | cadu | and quote that dot too |
| 17:18.19 | cadu | "libgl\.s?o" |
| 17:18.19 | xpato | can i see the contents of a samba share putting only the name of the share in windows explorer? like this \\share? |
| 17:18.19 | ron_ | cadu: Problems will arise if applications use the wrong version of a library. |
| 17:18.19 | ron_ | cadu: You mean this part? |
| 17:18.19 | cadu | ron_: yeah ... |
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| 17:18.20 | cadu | ron_: the link is maybe pointing to a inexistent or old dl |
| 17:18.35 | ron_ | cadu: The link means a link in the game directory of ut2004? |
| 17:18.56 | cadu | yeah |
| 17:19.03 | raf256 | what do You use to download a big file via FTP or HTTP? |
| 17:19.06 | cadu | search for something like that...or a bundled library.... |
| 17:19.11 | cadu | raf256: wget |
| 17:19.17 | ron_ | raf256: What's big? |
| 17:19.21 | raf256 | cadu: isnt wget small? |
| 17:19.43 | raf256 | cadu: isnt wget slow |
| 17:19.43 | valdyn | raf256: uh? |
| 17:19.43 | cadu | raf256: wget is as fast as any :D |
| 17:19.43 | raf256 | slow = not using neither mirrors or simmilar downloads |
| 17:19.49 | raf256 | no, it will be faster to download from 5 mirrors at same time |
| 17:19.52 | ron_ | raf256: How BIG? |
| 17:19.52 | valdyn | raf256: thats abusing internet, we dont support that |
| 17:19.53 | cadu | raf256: oh, wget doesn't uses split downloading |
| 17:19.57 | raf256 | if user have fast enought connection himself |
| 17:19.57 | tarzeau | raf256: bullshit |
| 17:20.08 | drac | raf256 uses crack.. |
| 17:20.13 | cadu | oh poor raf |
| 17:20.24 | raf256 | tarzeau: bullshit its bullshit |
| 17:20.28 | idnar | valdyn: why is downloading from multiple mirrors abuse? |
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| 17:20.44 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 17:20.52 | raf256 | tarzeau: if server A limitst me to 10kb/s, then if I download at once from servers B,C,D as well I would get fikle faster |
| 17:20.53 | tarzeau | idnar: because most of this crap software does download splitted from the same host\ |
| 17:20.55 | rave | hellow rob |
| 17:21.06 | tarzeau | idnar: because most of the things you download isn't spread on the internet |
| 17:21.20 | tarzeau | raf256: if you ever do this from my server, i'll kill you |
| 17:21.21 | raf256 | tarzeau: Im talking about knoppix ISO for example |
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| 17:21.29 | idnar | tarzeau: most files of appreciable size that I download are hosted at multiple locations |
| 17:21.35 | tarzeau | raf256: nobody in here want's to download knoppix iso |
| 17:21.44 | valdyn | idnar: splitting up a _single_ file and download it from multiple sources or even trying to use multiple connections to the same server is abuse imo |
| 17:21.48 | raf256 | tarzeau: I see You are not too bright. I said I download form server _A_ and also from _another_ server B, and _another_ server C |
| 17:22.02 | exerd | how do i unpack a .tar.bz2 ? |
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| 17:22.06 | idnar | valdyn: why is it abuse to download a single file in parts from multiple sources? |
| 17:22.06 | raf256 | valdyn: whotf is talking about same server?? |
| 17:22.12 | tarzeau | exerd: bunzip2 |
| 17:22.14 | EmleyMoor | tar xvjf filename |
| 17:22.15 | idnar | valdyn: it doesn't hurt them, and you get your file faster |
| 17:22.16 | cafard | exerd> tar jxvf filename |
| 17:22.25 | tarzeau | raf256: what software do you use? |
| 17:22.33 | tarzeau | raf256: what server limits you to 10kb/s ? |
| 17:22.37 | green_earz | idnar: or have look at ncftp command line client for ftp > apt-cache show ncftp |
| 17:22.39 | raf256 | tarzeau: well, on windoze I used getright |
| 17:22.44 | tarzeau | raf256: i mean if a server does that, how do server B and C get the stuff? |
| 17:22.53 | tarzeau | raf256: yes and getright IS BULLSHIT |
| 17:22.53 | idnar | green_earz: raf256 is the one that wants help with it, not me |
| 17:22.54 | raf256 | tarzeau: well some servers will limit me to like 20 or 50 while I have 130 kB/s |
| 17:23.03 | valdyn | idnar: yea, theoretically, practically it will result in people just downloading across the globe instead of picking a close good mirror |
| 17:23.04 | tarzeau | raf256: i'd deny access to you |
| 17:23.08 | green_earz | sorry idnar |
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| 17:23.16 | raf256 | tarzeau: wtf are U talking about dude? |
| 17:23.24 | drac | raf256: U? |
| 17:23.28 | green_earz | raf256: or have look at ncftp command line client for ftp > apt-cache show ncftp |
| 17:23.35 | tarzeau | raf256: i just hate all this download accelerator crap software |
| 17:23.35 | idnar | valdyn: well, here's a good example; the only worthwhile Debian mirror in my country limits me to 10KB/sec, because I don't buy my internet connection from the ISP hosting it |
| 17:23.41 | raf256 | tarzeau: if ther are mirrors like knoopix.xxx.edu.pl and knoppix.yyy.edu.usa etc, |
| 17:23.46 | tarzeau | raf256: you should get gentoo! wget runs faster on it |
| 17:23.48 | IdleIRCer | tarzeau get a decent connection ffs |
| 17:23.52 | raf256 | while not download _from_ fucking DIFFERENT servers |
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| 17:23.57 | ron_ | cadu: /usr/lib/libGL.so -> libGL.so.x |
| 17:24.02 | ron_ | cadu: I don't have this link. |
| 17:24.04 | raf256 | *not* 10 connections to 1 server, |
| 17:24.12 | tarzeau | IdleIRCer: you get me one for home |
| 17:24.13 | ron_ | cadu: Could that be a problem? |
| 17:24.13 | raf256 | 1 connections * 10 servers |
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| 17:24.22 | IdleIRCer | tarzeau heh .. what you got now? |
| 17:24.34 | tarzeau | raf256: and how do i replicate my data onto 10 servers? you gonna host me? |
| 17:24.40 | valdyn | idnar: yea, i dont disagree with "there are cases where it may be fine to use this", but generally i stick to what i said.. ) |
| 17:24.42 | raf256 | tarzeau: oh my fucking god |
| 17:24.46 | cadu | ron_: do a "ldd <your ut2004 binary>" and have a look on what it needs |
| 17:24.51 | tarzeau | IdleIRCer: at work 1gbit, at home 2mbit/0.4mbit |
| 17:24.53 | raf256 | tarzeau: it is called "mirrors" |
| 17:25.00 | raf256 | tarzeau: and they are used for that purpose |
| 17:25.14 | cadu | tarzeau: you have 1gbit at work ? shared uh ? |
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| 17:25.17 | raf256 | tarzeau: like I can get knoppix from 50 different servers over thw world |
| 17:25.17 | idnar | valdyn: and I can't count the number of times where some or other file doesn't seem to be available from a server that will give me more than 3KB/sec of bandwidth :P |
| 17:25.28 | IdleIRCer | tarzeau ouch I hate it when they limit ul way lower than dl |
| 17:25.37 | tarzeau | cadu: it's hardly used at max, so i can get that throughput right onto my desk |
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| 17:25.47 | valdyn | idnar: interesting, i havent seen such issues for years |
| 17:25.48 | raf256 | tarzeau: also, it will not run faster on Gentoo *duh* |
| 17:25.51 | tarzeau | cadu: it's just that the harddisks aren't that fast, or the remote machines :) |
| 17:25.52 | jorgp | is there a way of printing rich text files (.rtf) from command line? |
| 17:25.54 | idnar | valdyn: and of course, anything you download with bittorrent... |
| 17:26.08 | tarzeau | raf256: you really think i'm an idiot eh? |
| 17:26.17 | tarzeau | IdleIRCer: who do you tell? |
| 17:26.35 | raf256 | tarzeau: basing on that that I had to reapeat 3 times I ment connections to _different_ servers, but 1 connection _per_ 1 server... |
| 17:26.52 | fourcheeze | can more swap space ever be a bad thing? |
| 17:26.54 | tarzeau | raf256: do you get that most of this splitdownload software is just bullshit? |
| 17:27.05 | raf256 | tarzeau: why? |
| 17:27.14 | EmleyMoor | jorgp: use unrtf to convert it to ps then print that |
| 17:27.15 | ron_ | cadu: not a dynamic executable |
| 17:27.17 | raf256 | tarzeau: without it I downloaded like 20kB/s, with it - up to 150 kB/s |
| 17:27.17 | tarzeau | raf256: tell me one which isn't |
| 17:27.17 | fourcheeze | I want to build a box with 8GB swap space in case I expand RAM from 2GB to 4GB |
| 17:27.18 | valdyn | idnar: thats true, but bittorrent implies that the seeder agrees to the bittorrents system, or he wouldnt upload |
| 17:27.21 | nksen | how can I teste if my pam-login works? |
| 17:27.22 | raf256 | tarzeau: getright. |
| 17:27.31 | tarzeau | raf256: for free software? |
| 17:27.31 | ron_ | cadu: So it's statically linked. |
| 17:27.40 | raf256 | tarzeau: getright is for eany freaking file |
| 17:27.41 | jorgp | EmleyMoor: thanks |
| 17:27.51 | tarzeau | raf256: please. non-free software is bullshit |
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| 17:27.58 | tarzeau | raf256: getright is not free software damn |
| 17:28.00 | caphuso | ron_: what does "file" say about it? |
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| 17:28.14 | tarzeau | raf256: that's like full with ads and backdoors |
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| 17:28.19 | raf256 | tarzeau: with wget I can download a file at 100 kB/s, with wget just 25 kB/s - that sucks ass |
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| 17:28.28 | Dogtix | ello, does linux have a standard config file for bridge setup, or does it need an init script with brctl commands? |
| 17:28.37 | tarzeau | raf256: i can download with 100mb/s with wget |
| 17:28.43 | tarzeau | raf256: it's not a problem of wget |
| 17:28.46 | raf256 | tarzeau: so that was my question, with _linux_ software is as good as getrgiht or better |
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| 17:28.48 | ron_ | caphuso: version 1 (GNU/Linux), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 17:28.54 | valdyn | raf256: what are you trying to download anyway? |
| 17:28.54 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 17:28.56 | tarzeau | raf256: it's worse. use wget |
| 17:28.58 | furrywolf | lftp downloads fastest... pget good. |
| 17:29.02 | ron_ | caphuso: Strange this one says it's dynamically linked. |
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| 17:29.30 | furrywolf | I've never found anything that can download faster than lftp's pget. :) |
| 17:29.32 | caphuso | ron_: indeed |
| 17:29.38 | raf256 | tarzeau: if You have file mirrored at: http://www.aaa.com bbb.com and ccc.com - and each of thoes servers have limit of 10 kb/s/one user, but Your DL bandwithc is 30 kb/s, can You with wget download at full 30kB/s ??? |
| 17:29.58 | tarzeau | raf256: i understand you, please stop acting like i'm a moron |
| 17:30.09 | norox | raf256, apt-get install prozilla, and all shut up |
| 17:30.09 | tarzeau | raf256: then each of those servers suck |
| 17:30.13 | cadu | tarzeau: ehehehe ... aaaa bbb ccc :) |
| 17:30.17 | ron_ | raf256: Why don't you implement HTTP/FTP yourself? |
| 17:30.18 | tarzeau | norox: prozilla sucks asss |
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| 17:30.27 | tarzeau | cadu: hahaha, cracks me up, i'll catch the train now |
| 17:30.32 | raf256 | tarzeau: so how can You get this files at 30 kb/s in example above using wget? |
| 17:30.39 | chuchyyy | hi |
| 17:30.40 | tarzeau | cadu: is this guy teaching me the alphabet or what? |
| 17:30.41 | valdyn | raf256: you cant |
| 17:30.46 | raf256 | norox: finally an response. |
| 17:30.48 | ron_ | tarzeau: I think so. |
| 17:30.49 | cadu | tarzeau: hahahaha |
| 17:31.04 | cadu | tarzeau: go get your t-r-a-i-n :) |
| 17:31.07 | raf256 | valdyn: I can using getright... perhaps using that prozilla |
| 17:31.12 | valdyn | raf256: i dont know about _any_ free software however that would be limited to bad sources as that |
| 17:31.13 | ron_ | raf256: You can if you fork wget and build it yourself. |
| 17:31.19 | cadu | raf256: apt-get install wine |
| 17:31.20 | cadu | :P |
| 17:31.20 | cadu | ahaha |
| 17:31.24 | ron_ | :) |
| 17:31.33 | yoo | anybody can say me why i can connecting with ssh ? |
| 17:31.36 | chuchyyy | do u know an error like that when i log into a windows machine using samba : "a device attached to the system is not functioning" |
| 17:31.44 | cadu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.46 | yoo | Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? |
| 17:31.46 | yoo | Host key verification failed. |
| 17:31.50 | raf256 | so linux lacks as basick file as multisource-downloader? that sucks |
| 17:31.51 | yoo | i reinstall |
| 17:31.54 | yoo | purge |
| 17:31.57 | valdyn | yoo: ssh -vv will probably tell you |
| 17:32.01 | Kempston | exim hangs on "generating 512 bit RSA key" what could be wrong ? |
| 17:32.04 | yoo | and it always the same problem |
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| 17:32.17 | ron_ | raf256: Probably you didn't look good enough. |
| 17:32.22 | yoo | thank |
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| 17:32.26 | valdyn | yoo: you *might* have to remove the host from ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 17:32.31 | cafard | Kempston> i reckon it might be the 512 bit RSA key generation :) |
| 17:32.32 | rob_lt | pingouin, did you figure out your sound problem? |
| 17:32.35 | yoo | yes |
| 17:32.39 | abrotman | Kempston: it takes a while |
| 17:32.41 | raf256 | cadu: that was holarious. Althoug Your are right, I can do it better on windows. |
| 17:32.44 | yoo | i reinstall my two system |
| 17:32.51 | Kempston | well not an hour, right ? |
| 17:32.52 | chuchyyy | somebody can help me plz |
| 17:32.53 | chuchyyy | ? |
| 17:32.57 | raf256 | ron_: so do You know that software then? |
| 17:32.58 | pingouin | rob_lt: nop |
| 17:33.00 | valdyn | raf256: such a tool is useless |
| 17:33.02 | yoo | so it's two new machine |
| 17:33.08 | ron_ | Kempston: Do you know the theory behind generating that large keys? |
| 17:33.10 | yoo | i try ssh -v |
| 17:33.21 | raf256 | valdyn: if it can get me same file on same inet connection x5 times faster, it is very usefull for me |
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| 17:33.27 | MastrYoda | I've been doing apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade for the last two weeks and there haven't been any updates....But there used to be updates every 2 or 3 days...Any reason for this? |
| 17:33.30 | green_earz | yoo: can you ping the other box ok |
| 17:33.39 | cadu | MastrYoda: are you on sarge ? |
| 17:33.42 | ron_ | raf256: If I want to download something big, I use bittorrent. I never experience slow servers. |
| 17:33.44 | MastrYoda | cadu yes |
| 17:33.44 | cplx | I have a screen session running with irssi, how do I detach from irssi but still use the same screen session? |
| 17:33.45 | cadu | MastrYoda: it's frozen |
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| 17:33.47 | chuchyyy | T_T |
| 17:33.50 | valdyn | raf256: you still havent told us for what kind of files you are unable to find decent mirrors |
| 17:33.52 | Kempston | ron_ do you mean my /dev/random is broken ? |
| 17:34.01 | MastrYoda | cadu does that mean that it will be stable soon? |
| 17:34.04 | cadu | MastrYoda: debian-elders are preparing the next stable version :D |
| 17:34.05 | caphuso | cplx: "detach from irssi"? |
| 17:34.05 | ron_ | Kempston: No |
| 17:34.09 | raf256 | valdyn: for example microsoft DX SDK |
| 17:34.10 | cadu | MastrYoda: soon is a vague term :) |
| 17:34.11 | Kempston | ron_ what then ? |
| 17:34.21 | yoo | yes i can ping my two machine |
| 17:34.21 | cadu | MastrYoda: don't even mention it...people get angry :) |
| 17:34.21 | cplx | caphuso: not kill irssi, but run in the background? |
| 17:34.21 | raf256 | valdyn: damos of games on gamespy/fileplanet |
| 17:34.25 | MastrYoda | cadu so it could be frozen for 2 years? |
| 17:34.27 | raf256 | valdyn: some other programs |
| 17:34.30 | caphuso | cplx: and you can't just open a new window? |
| 17:34.43 | cadu | MastrYoda: hell yeah, you can't predict our lovely debian-überelders :) |
| 17:34.43 | cplx | caphuso: I want to do it all in the same screen session.. |
| 17:34.50 | cplx | this is over putty |
| 17:34.51 | cplx | ssh |
| 17:34.56 | rob_lt | pingouin, you could try something like "mplayer dvd://1 -alang en -ao pcm -vc dummy -vo null" and then ctrl-c when you want to stop. |
| 17:34.59 | MastrYoda | What is a debian-elder? |
| 17:35.02 | caphuso | cplx: translation: you absolutely no idea how to use screen, right? |
| 17:35.03 | ron_ | Kempston: Well, the short story: abrotman is right. The long story I will not tell in here. You could look for algorithms on the web. It's a matter of luck before you find such a key. |
| 17:35.03 | cadu | MastrYoda: i'm kidding , i _think_ (MY opinion) it'll be done in less than a year :) |
| 17:35.07 | chuchyyy | " a device attached to the system is not functioning" T_T |
| 17:35.13 | chuchyyy | usig samba and open LDAP |
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| 17:35.17 | caphuso | cplx: google for "gnu screen tutorial" and spend half an hour reading |
| 17:35.21 | yoo | valdyn : i have a message with -v |
| 17:35.23 | deejoe | anyone have something to recommend on sarge in place of apt-proxy? |
| 17:35.28 | cadu | cplx: "man screen" |
| 17:35.29 | yoo | but i don't understand |
| 17:35.30 | rob_lt | pingouin, there is also the -ss flag if you want to start at a specific time, but I don't know how to make it stop automatically, just ctrl-c. |
| 17:35.32 | cplx | caphuso: I know how to detach from screen, but thats why I am asking.. |
| 17:35.36 | caphuso | cplx: google for "gnu screen tutorial" and spend half an hour reading |
| 17:35.39 | Kempston | ron_ what exactly should i look for ? |
| 17:35.40 | XcC | Another good ftp server program which can run its users via. mySQL ? (Not proFTPD) |
| 17:35.42 | ron_ | cadu: Any other thought on the lazy performance? |
| 17:35.43 | valdyn | yoo: did you remove the host from ~/.ssh/known_hosts ? |
| 17:35.54 | cplx | caphuso: Im asking for 1 simple keystroke.. |
| 17:35.54 | yoo | yes |
| 17:35.57 | caphuso | cplx: google for "gnu screen tutorial" and spend half an hour reading |
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| 17:36.03 | yoo | look on #flood |
| 17:36.06 | ron_ | Kempston: I will look a moment. |
| 17:36.14 | cadu | ron_: hmmm... no :'( nothing gave me problem there...i haven't tested a real app like quake3 or doom3 yet, but my system seems fast... |
| 17:36.16 | yoo | if you want |
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| 17:36.25 | cplx | sigh. |
| 17:36.28 | valdyn | yoo: im there |
| 17:36.30 | cadu | ron_: but the overall nvidia performance on linux is a bit worse than windows...just a bit |
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| 17:36.52 | cadu | ron_: getting 22fps in contrast to 60~70fps isn't a _bit_ :) |
| 17:37.01 | stew | cplx: why not jst detach from the screen session and start another? |
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| 17:37.22 | caphuso | stew: all he needs to do is open a new window |
| 17:37.52 | pingouin | rob_lt: nice command ;) thx i was looking the mplayer options pages..soooo many ;) |
| 17:37.55 | stew | cplx: if that is the case the only keystroke you should need from us is ctrl-a ? |
| 17:38.23 | yoo | remove the host from ~/.ssh/known_hosts : now it's OK |
| 17:38.23 | caphuso | except that he won't know which of the commands translates to "new window" |
| 17:38.26 | yoo | thank |
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| 17:38.35 | pingouin | rob_lt: but...do you know a way to identify the -alang number/code/track really on the dvd ? |
| 17:38.42 | deejoe | cplx: there's more than one thing you might want to do. There are "sessions" and there are "windows". You can have multiple windows per session. Open a new window and move to that from whatever window you are using for irssi (see the man page for details on how to do this). In addition, you can split the screen, and have more than one window at a time, so that you can have irssi running in one, and whatever else running in the other(s). |
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| 17:39.16 | cplx | deejoe: I am looking for the keystroke for creating a new window.. |
| 17:39.20 | rob_lt | pingouin, not too sure... what language are you looking for? |
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| 17:39.29 | XcC | Another good ftp server program which can run its users via. mySQL ? (Not proFTPD), because my proFTPD is stoning on my AMD64 servers, it stop answering and it cant kill the process, only a reboot can fix it |
| 17:39.30 | stew | caphuso: he of course is going to cross reference that with the manpage |
| 17:39.33 | stew | cplx: man screen |
| 17:39.41 | ron_ | Kempston: Here it is abstractly explained. If you want the real stuff, search for primality testing (I think). http://www-cse.stanford.edu/classes/sophomore-college/projects-98/randomized-algorithms/applications/cryptography.html |
| 17:39.44 | valdyn | yoo: you changed the servers authentication key, probably by reinstalling. As a security measure that will result in the connection "not working" |
| 17:39.44 | pingouin | rob_lt: generally..japanese |
| 17:39.50 | tonny | hi can i get with grep both "processor" and "model name" from just one command line but no script!??? |
| 17:39.55 | stew | cplx: or "info screen" if you are so inclined |
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| 17:40.20 | cplx | stew: found it.. thanks |
| 17:40.20 | ron_ | cadu: What game had you running? |
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| 17:40.26 | yoo | valdyn : OK |
| 17:40.29 | deejoe | cplx: yeah, if you know the terminology of what you are looking for, there's really no reason for you to not look for it in the man page, is there? |
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| 17:40.33 | ron_ | cadu: Maybe it has a demo I could test with. |
| 17:40.35 | valdyn | yoo: so you had to remove it from know_hosts and reanswer the question if you accept that host |
| 17:40.37 | peppo | I'm going to be forced to install a CVS version of a particular daemon-library, but I don't want to remove the applications that depend on it when I remove it. how can I work around this? (it's jackd, and with it goes jack-rack, jamin, rosegarden4 et al) |
| 17:40.47 | yoo | ok ido that |
| 17:40.52 | yoo | thank |
| 17:40.56 | abrotman | peppo: package it ? :) |
| 17:41.01 | yoo | for your help |
| 17:41.11 | cadu | ron_: i've only tried bzflag at 1152x864x24bit...ran fast as hell, but it's pretty simple :) |
| 17:41.13 | rob_lt | pingouin, hmmmm, it seems to be either ja or jp, not quite sure. |
| 17:41.18 | peppo | abrotman, well that's scary |
| 17:41.22 | Diego | Brazil |
| 17:41.23 | EmleyMoor | OK - one down, one to go but that one's going to be an all night job |
| 17:41.30 | cplx | deejoe: thanks to you too, I'm sorry to bother you.. |
| 17:41.30 | Diego | Hellow! |
| 17:41.31 | pingouin | rob_lt: anyway, thx for you're help |
| 17:41.34 | rob_lt | np |
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| 17:41.40 | Diego | Me trasnfere por favor |
| 17:41.44 | ron_ | cadu: But then I would have to buy that game, right? |
| 17:41.46 | Diego | passa o link |
| 17:41.50 | abrotman | peppo: uhm .. there's a way .. and i totally forget right now .. grrr |
| 17:41.51 | deejoe | cplx: no problem. I love screen. |
| 17:41.51 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:41.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:41.58 | Diego | não sei se estão me entendendo |
| 17:42.01 | Diego | no inglish |
| 17:42.04 | abrotman | !br |
| 17:42.05 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:42.07 | cplx | deejoe: yer it seems quite useful/powerful :) |
| 17:42.13 | peppo | abrotman, I'm trying to make a package now, so... |
| 17:42.33 | abrotman | peppo: i can't remember the term ... this stinks :) |
| 17:42.36 | ron_ | cadu: Oh, it |
| 17:42.40 | ron_ | cadu: 's free |
| 17:42.45 | Delph | abrotman: LD_librarmuttermuttersomething_PATH=.../and include your other library/... |
| 17:42.53 | Delph | ? |
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| 17:43.15 | deejoe | cplx: one of my favorite man page quotes is the bit at the end of the screen man page about what's required to gain "full advantage" of all the features. |
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| 17:43.41 | Kempston | ron_ so what is max time i should wait for generaion to finish, hour, day, week ? |
| 17:44.11 | peppo | hm, I don't have the "deb-make" binary even though I installed debmake |
| 17:44.57 | peppo | oh, it was an old guide |
| 17:45.39 | abrotman | Delph: no .. to make a pseudopackage |
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| 17:45.47 | ron_ | Kempston: Well, if it's still not done by now, it would be better to device another way(read program) to generate the keys., |
| 17:45.56 | abrotman | Delph: a pretend package thingie |
| 17:46.04 | abrotman | oh .. equivs! |
| 17:46.18 | ron_ | Kempston: But if you really want to be secure, be sure that you find some software that you can trust. |
| 17:46.24 | valdyn | peppo: This package provides the "debstd" script, which does the following |
| 17:46.30 | abrotman | !tell peppo about equivs |
| 17:46.39 | nydust | webmin vs linuxconf what is best? |
| 17:46.43 | abrotman | neither |
| 17:46.44 | abrotman | vi |
| 17:46.48 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 17:46.48 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 17:47.30 | cadu | abrotman: ahahaha |
| 17:47.32 | cadu | abrotman: 'vi' |
| 17:47.34 | cadu | that rocked |
| 17:47.36 | cadu | :) |
| 17:47.53 | abrotman | cadu: nvi works fine :) |
| 17:47.57 | cadu | if you're afraid of vi or enjoy some color code .. :sy on will help you |
| 17:48.26 | ron_ | What does unchanged mean in apt when it is reporting on what it will do? |
| 17:48.29 | caphuso | Getting a cold dentry cache before steps 3 and 5 is left as an exercise to the poor sap with so much dedication to the Gentoo "premature optimisations R us" ideals. |
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| 17:48.59 | caphuso | (Peter Samuelson on debian-devel) |
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| 17:49.42 | abrotman | caphuso: darn that wacky peter :) |
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| 17:50.35 | osity | anyone know software raid on linux? |
| 17:50.48 | abrotman | osity: still ? |
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| 17:51.07 | osity | ya trying everyday... |
| 17:51.28 | Kempston | osity apt-get install evmsn |
| 17:51.34 | Kempston | brr |
| 17:51.39 | Kempston | osity apt-get install evms-ncurses |
| 17:51.42 | osity | whats that? |
| 17:51.48 | Kempston | software raid |
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| 17:52.12 | Kempston | !evms |
| 17:52.12 | dpkg | well, evms is Enterprise Volume Management System, http://evms.sf.net/ |
| 17:52.13 | abrotman | Kempston: he's still trying to install |
| 17:52.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ping |
| 17:52.19 | cadu | !centericq |
| 17:52.19 | dpkg | don't install centericq. use gaim. If for some unknown reason, you installed it using dpkg -i, dpkg --remove centericq; wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.2.5-11.2_i386.deb; dpkg -i libc6_2.2.5-11.2_i386.deb; |
| 17:52.32 | usn | hi folx |
| 17:52.33 | abrotman | what kind of stupid factoid is that ? |
| 17:52.34 | osity | i got someone helping me right now actually brb |
| 17:52.42 | cadu | !kopete |
| 17:52.42 | dpkg | i heard kopete is extra, extra, read all about it, kopete is a flexible and extendable multiple protocol instant messaging system designed as a plugin-based system. All protocols are plugins and allow modular installment, configuration, and usage without the main application knowing anything about the plugin being loaded. http://kopete.kde.org .. sources.list line for cvs: deb http://kopete.creativa.cl/debian/sid/ ./ |
| 17:52.50 | jethro | what's wrong with centericq? |
| 17:52.55 | tomlobato | hello all!! |
| 17:52.59 | cadu | dunno :-) |
| 17:53.15 | peppo | abrotman, that was hard. |
| 17:53.18 | ron_ | Is there some crazy kde fan? |
| 17:53.20 | nksen | heya. that's me again. I verified my settings by telnetting to my server, and typing 'auth plain BASE64ENCODING'. this even works from my home-system. but it doesn't if I use my email client using plain login. any suggestions? |
| 17:53.23 | tomlobato | Please, how to limit postfix for relay mail for only one domain, say example.com?? (I already asked in postfix channel :-() |
| 17:53.25 | abrotman | peppo: what was ? |
| 17:53.30 | peppo | abrotman, equivs |
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| 17:53.44 | peppo | creating a package is overkill for something that could be so simple |
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| 17:53.53 | cadu | !0verkill |
| 17:53.54 | cadu | :) |
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| 17:54.02 | cadu | !overkill |
| 17:54.03 | dpkg | overkill is, like, running 20000 Linuces in VMes on an S/390 |
| 17:54.06 | peppo | just make debian NOT remove depending packages in THIS case, and install my already compiled CVS version of jackd |
| 17:54.09 | jethro | tomlobato: cd /usr/share/doc/postfix ; then read |
| 17:54.10 | abrotman | peppo: well .. you wanted to know how :) |
| 17:54.22 | [bono] | Question: I'm looking for a wireless nic supported on linux trouble-free which could act as a wap... Any relevant url would be appreciated.... |
| 17:54.25 | abrotman | peppo: you can use `man dpkg` and see how to do what you're asking .. but it's a bad idea |
| 17:54.37 | cadu | peppo: some problem with jackd ? |
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| 17:54.46 | abrotman | peppo: i was giving you the "best" way |
| 17:54.49 | cadu | peppo: i was experiencing some timing problems with the null-output driver :) |
| 17:54.51 | nite613 | Anyone know of a good LKM for logging all TTY input/output on a machine? I'm setting up a lab and the admins want to see every keystroke and every response made by the students |
| 17:55.06 | cadu | nite613: really ? :) |
| 17:55.06 | abrotman | nite613: no they don't |
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| 17:55.14 | nite613 | yes |
| 17:55.17 | nite613 | yes they do |
| 17:55.19 | abrotman | i'd quit :) |
| 17:55.26 | jethro | nite613: see the honeynet project website |
| 17:55.29 | abrotman | nite613: which school ? |
| 17:55.30 | nite613 | There's a max of 6 students at a time |
| 17:55.36 | caphuso | dpkg: no, centericq is an ncursed based multi-protocol (ICQ, AIM, yahoo etc.) instant messaging client |
| 17:55.37 | dpkg | okay, caphuso |
| 17:55.40 | cadu | abrotman, the detective :) |
| 17:55.44 | nite613 | abrotman: learnsecurityonline.com |
| 17:55.50 | peppo | cadu, there are fixes in JACK CVS that benefit recent changes in Ardour |
| 17:55.55 | abrotman | so you're going to snoop security students ? |
| 17:56.03 | nite613 | abrotman: Yes |
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| 17:56.12 | cadu | abrotman: yeah, prolly pretend some password stealing too :) |
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| 17:56.20 | brian_ | how would I copy a directory and move it? |
| 17:56.29 | nite613 | There's a hacking competition taking place in the lab and the tty logs will be used to put together a presentation about it later |
| 17:56.31 | jethro | brian_: copy -> cp; move -> mv |
| 17:56.34 | abrotman | nite613: wouldn't it be a great exercise for the students to find a keylogger ? :) |
| 17:56.37 | jethro | brian_: man cp man mv |
| 17:56.44 | brian_ | jethro: tha works with DIRS? |
| 17:56.48 | cadu | caphuso: anyone can help with dpkg's database? it's just talk to it what a thing is and it learns ? |
| 17:56.49 | nite613 | abrotman: That's in a different lab, but yes :) |
| 17:56.57 | caphuso | cadu: basically |
| 17:57.00 | jethro | brian_: why would I answer that if it didn't work with dirs? |
| 17:57.17 | stew | nite613: i dunno about keystroke logging, but snoopy is useful which shows you every command executed |
| 17:57.20 | cadu | caphuso: how one can add a definition ? |
| 17:57.32 | cadu | caphuso: <foo> is <bar> ? |
| 17:57.32 | caphuso | cadu: "/msg dpkg newfactoidname is new factoid text" |
| 17:57.33 | nite613 | stew: Thanks, I'll look at that. |
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| 17:57.38 | cadu | oh |
| 17:57.41 | nite613 | Honeynet shoudl have something too, can't beleive I didn't think of that |
| 17:57.41 | ron_ | abrotman: Do you know what that "unchanged" means when apt says X packages new, Y packages updated and Z packages unchanged? |
| 17:57.51 | jethro | nite613: http://project.honeynet.org/tools/sebek/ |
| 17:57.54 | cadu | caphuso: and you can correct it with "no, <factoid> is <...>" ? |
| 17:57.58 | caphuso | cadu: yes |
| 17:58.02 | cadu | !centericq |
| 17:58.02 | dpkg | [centericq] an ncursed based multi-protocol (ICQ, AIM, yahoo etc.) instant messaging client |
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| 17:58.16 | abrotman | ron_: should mean they aren't being upgraded .. i would assume anyways |
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| 17:58.23 | cadu | nice |
| 17:58.35 | caphuso | cadu: "<factoid> is also <...>" to add stuff |
| 17:58.48 | ron_ | abrotman: But they could be? (as in there are newer versions available). |
| 17:58.57 | abrotman | ron_: are any held back ? |
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| 17:59.19 | ron_ | abrotman: I think. I retranslated it from my native language to English. |
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| 17:59.32 | Cope | how can i test if a floppy drive is working? just tried dd if=something of=/dev/floppy and it didn't appear to do anything |
| 17:59.36 | ron_ | abrotman: I was using Synaptic, but I think Synaptic meant Held back, yes. |
| 17:59.40 | abrotman | ron_: oh . |
| 17:59.47 | abrotman | ron_: /msg dpkg held back |
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| 17:59.57 | stouset | Cope: make a filesystem on it? |
| 18:00.06 | stouset | Cope: mke2fs /dev/fda? |
| 18:00.06 | cadu | caphuso: and to delete it ? forget <foo> ? |
| 18:00.13 | caphuso | cadu: yes |
| 18:00.17 | cadu | nice |
| 18:00.21 | Cope | stouset: got a blank disk in there... good scheme |
| 18:00.25 | cadu | dpkg: testing is 123456 |
| 18:00.25 | dpkg | ...but testing is already something else... |
| 18:00.30 | cadu | hmmm |
| 18:00.35 | cadu | dpkg: testin_cadu_g is 123456 |
| 18:00.36 | dpkg | okay, cadu |
| 18:00.40 | cadu | !testin_cadu_g |
| 18:00.41 | dpkg | it has been said that testin_cadu_g is 123456 |
| 18:00.43 | caphuso | cadu: /msg dpkg |
| 18:00.48 | cadu | dpkg: forget testin_cadu_g |
| 18:00.48 | dpkg | cadu: i forgot testin_cadu_g |
| 18:00.51 | cadu | nice nice nice |
| 18:01.03 | caphuso | only do it publically if you want to have peer reviewing |
| 18:01.04 | cadu | so better...it's like talking :) |
| 18:01.09 | jethro | nite613: you can also use various so called bofh-patches to various shells to work at the userland level |
| 18:01.09 | cadu | caphuso: nice |
| 18:01.14 | cadu | caphuso: thanks |
| 18:01.18 | tomlobato | jethro, idiot! if Im asking here, I already cd to /usr/share/doc, but you know all and know I didnt do it :) congratulations |
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| 18:01.33 | nite613 | jethro: That idea came up, but we'd rather do kernel level than patch all the shells or rik circumvention |
| 18:01.42 | nite613 | This sebek stuff looks really good |
| 18:01.44 | jethro | nite613: then sebek can fit your need |
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| 18:01.55 | abrotman | tomlobato: did you read at www.postfix.org ? |
| 18:02.22 | tomlobato | abrotman, yes, Im looking for, but cant find |
| 18:02.28 | ron_ | abrotman: I read all the stuff, but I thought apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade a unstable box to experimental. Is this last statement correct? |
| 18:02.35 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:02.41 | abrotman | tomlobato: isn't there a my_domains thing ? |
| 18:02.51 | Kempston | ron_ my cpu is 99% idle, doesn't that mean that something is weird ? |
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| 18:02.59 | simonrvn | Kempston: no |
| 18:03.04 | abrotman | ron_: only if you have experimental sources .. and i would hope you don't |
| 18:03.08 | ron_ | Kempston: Yes |
| 18:03.16 | Kempston | what could it be ? |
| 18:03.16 | abrotman | Kempston: why would that be weird ? |
| 18:03.18 | simonrvn | abrotman: *bzzt* |
| 18:03.21 | tomlobato | abrotman, wait |
| 18:03.25 | abrotman | simonrvn: que ? |
| 18:03.39 | simonrvn | abrotman: only if you set the pin for experimental higher than sid's, but only someone stupid would do that |
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| 18:04.10 | simonrvn | exp.'s pinning is really low for a reason |
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| 18:04.13 | abrotman | simonrvn: yes .. but if it requires something from experimental to upgrade something already gotten from experimental once .. it will upgrade it .. but yes .. pinning is bad :) |
| 18:04.19 | ron_ | abrotman: So in general it is a perfectly normal command(if you want to update *everything*, instead of only apt-get upgrade). |
| 18:04.30 | abrotman | ron_: if all your sources point at sid/unstable .. yes .. normal |
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| 18:04.40 | ron_ | abrotman: Ok, never did that. |
| 18:04.42 | Kempston | abrotman i'm trying to generate 512 RSA key |
| 18:04.42 | simonrvn | oh yeh, sure. it will update from exp. but like you said, only if the exp. package is already there and installed |
| 18:05.10 | schrankwand | if I do "ifconfig down" an "ifconfig up" my connection is away until i restart? does anyone know, why? |
| 18:05.11 | abrotman | Kempston: is the process doing anything ? |
| 18:05.14 | simonrvn | if you *do* set a pin, set it lower than sid's and you won't break shit |
| 18:05.15 | ron_ | Kempston: When I googled I saw a few programs to generate those keys. |
| 18:05.22 | abrotman | schrankwand: dhcp ? |
| 18:05.27 | schrankwand | no |
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| 18:05.32 | Kempston | ron_ i'm using another program already |
| 18:05.35 | Kempston | same result |
| 18:05.35 | abrotman | your computer hates you ? |
| 18:05.44 | ron_ | ^^ |
| 18:05.48 | ron_ | :) |
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| 18:05.59 | Kempston | well |
| 18:06.01 | Kempston | same library |
| 18:06.02 | SpaceLobster | could someone tell me where I can buy sarge disk? |
| 18:06.05 | tomlobato | abrotman, maybe I can do it using "header_checks" |
| 18:06.07 | Kempston | trying to change that as well |
| 18:06.15 | Sluk | can somebody assist me with prism2 card? I installed linux-wlan-ng, and the module prism2_cs loads on card insert, and wlan0 present, but iwconfig doesn't recognize it as a wireless interface. Help! |
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| 18:06.50 | tomlobato | formy_domain you want to say mydomain? |
| 18:06.57 | green_earz | SpaceLobster: check out ebay |
| 18:07.00 | tomlobato | cause my_domain does not exist |
| 18:07.07 | SpaceLobster | green_earz ok thanks |
| 18:07.07 | leandroviegas | I do not know to say English I am in this canal for deceit |
| 18:07.14 | abrotman | tomlobato: you want to only accept mail for domain.com right ? |
| 18:07.22 | ron_ | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 18:07.36 | SpaceLobster | leandroviegas check translation.paralink.com and paste the translation here |
| 18:07.37 | ron_ | I had this error a year ago, and now again when I start bzflag. |
| 18:07.38 | Cope | stouset: perfect :-) good thinkng |
| 18:07.38 | tomlobato | leandroviegas, essa brasileada é foda :) |
| 18:07.48 | tomlobato | *brasilerada |
| 18:07.51 | nite613 | jethro: My reading about sebek suggests that it will only capture keystrokes, not tty output, do you know if that is true? |
| 18:07.52 | green_earz | SpaceLobster: do you have a dsl connection ? |
| 18:08.00 | ron_ | I would lile to fix it now. |
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| 18:08.04 | SpaceLobster | no, I am on cable right now |
| 18:08.04 | abrotman | tomlobato: yes? |
| 18:08.07 | Sluk | can someone assist, please with prism2 card? |
| 18:08.09 | ron_ | SpaceLobster: How fast? |
| 18:08.24 | tomlobato | abrotman, yes |
| 18:08.26 | SpaceLobster | plenty fast, I just don't want to mess with downloading the images and burning disk |
| 18:08.32 | abrotman | tomlobato: next time READ http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#mydestination |
| 18:08.37 | SpaceLobster | my machine with the burner is a win98 machine |
| 18:08.43 | tomlobato | abrotman, I read this |
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| 18:08.48 | ron_ | SpaceLobster: The business card ISO is 33 MB. |
| 18:08.49 | abrotman | tomlobato: so what is confusing ? |
| 18:08.59 | green_earz | SpaceLobster: perfect here the link for the net installer > http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 18:09.13 | SpaceLobster | ok I will check it out |
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| 18:09.20 | jethro | nite613: "It can potentially recover such things as keystrokes, uploaded files, passwords, and IRC chats, even if all communications are encrypted (SSH, IPSec, SSL)." quoting the faq |
| 18:09.21 | exerd | ftp exerd.mine.nu user password i cant connect to aftp like that is there possible to have username and password on that one line? |
| 18:09.25 | ron_ | SpaceLobster: Use the business card, that's the smallest one. |
| 18:09.30 | roundyz | is it ok to ask for someone to help talk me through a sarge network install??? |
| 18:09.35 | ron_ | SpaceLobster: I did it two days ago. Works like a charm. |
| 18:09.52 | ron_ | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 18:09.58 | leandroviegas | de onde vc é? |
| 18:09.58 | abrotman | roundyz: ask about the parts you need help with |
| 18:10.00 | ron_ | Did anyone ever solve this error? |
| 18:10.05 | abrotman | !br |
| 18:10.05 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:10.12 | EmleyMoor | Am I right in thinking it is not recommended to upgrade whilst in x? |
| 18:10.18 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: i do it |
| 18:10.26 | nite613 | jethro: YEah, I've gotten past there. I was just wondering if you had experience with it. Looks to me like it's a sys_read hook only, won |
| 18:10.28 | cadu | leandroviegas: #debian-br cara...lá agente te ajuda :) |
| 18:10.28 | ron_ | EmleyMoor: no |
| 18:10.46 | roundyz | ok will install any probs will post, brb |
| 18:11.03 | EmleyMoor | ron_: Is that "no" as in it's safe or as in "don't"? |
| 18:11.12 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: it's fine |
| 18:11.19 | ordi666 | I'm needing help, I've a module (snd_intel8x0m ) wich is always loading on boot but isn't in /etc/modules, howdo I make it not to modprobe ? |
| 18:11.19 | nite613 | jethro: won't catch local terminal outputs, but I guess if the user logs in to another machine over an SSH connection (as they will in my lab) then it would get all echo'd characters and output from the session. I guess I'll just have to try it |
| 18:11.20 | ron_ | EmleyMoor: It's fine. |
| 18:11.21 | tomlobato | abrotman, postfix basic conf doc does not say in any point that mydomain can do what I need, if it does, postfix doc must be enhanced |
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| 18:11.34 | abrotman | tomlobato: i misspoke .. it is my_destination |
| 18:11.43 | abrotman | err mydestination |
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| 18:11.52 | ron_ | EmleyMoor: Remember the stuff in loaded into memory. |
| 18:11.53 | jethro | nite613: use the source luke :) |
| 18:11.58 | abrotman | tomlobato: either that .. or you need to rephrase your question |
| 18:12.00 | deejoe | ok, so I think I've sort of found an answer to my question: I've found approx and apt-cacher that both might work in place of apt-proxy. |
| 18:12.13 | nite613 | jethro: ya |
| 18:12.44 | ron_ | abrotman: Does apt lock files when it updates it to avoid running half binaries? |
| 18:13.02 | EmleyMoor | OK - wonder how long it will take - still, can't be bad |
| 18:13.14 | roundyz | it says network autoconfiguration failed |
| 18:13.18 | abrotman | ron_: not that i'm aware .. but can you open a file for writing .. if another has it open for reading ? |
| 18:13.28 | abrotman | roundyz: do you have DHCP ? |
| 18:13.29 | ron_ | abrotman: Dunno. |
| 18:13.33 | roundyz | yerh |
| 18:13.44 | roundyz | on my fedora server (router) |
| 18:13.44 | ron_ | roundyz: What networkcard? |
| 18:13.47 | EmleyMoor | 1253 upgraded, 426 new, 62 out and 4 held (!) |
| 18:13.52 | roundyz | its on the Mb |
| 18:13.54 | tomlobato | abrotman, mydestination does not do what I need. My question is right: I want to relay mails ONLY for example.com (the difference is in the previus question I didnt use uppercase for ONLY) |
| 18:13.57 | roundyz | gigabyte lan |
| 18:14.02 | SpaceLobster | is debian 3.05 sarge or woody? |
| 18:14.07 | roundyz | sarge |
| 18:14.10 | SpaceLobster | thanks |
| 18:14.15 | abrotman | tomlobato: relay or accept ? |
| 18:14.18 | ron_ | EmleyMoor: I once downloaded 1296MB. >4000MB installed :) I like automation. |
| 18:14.20 | EmleyMoor | 3.0r5 is sarge. 3.1 is woody |
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| 18:14.26 | roundyz | sorry sapcelobster im not sure |
| 18:14.28 | abrotman | tomlobato: are all example.com users on your subnet ? |
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| 18:14.46 | tomlobato | abrotman, they are |
| 18:14.47 | EmleyMoor | 1009Mb download,, 773 after install |
| 18:14.50 | roundyz | any thoughts? |
| 18:14.58 | abrotman | tomlobato: and you only want to accept mail for example.com |
| 18:15.00 | abrotman | right ? |
| 18:15.28 | abrotman | pay attention :) |
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| 18:15.45 | abrotman | roundyz: did it detect your NIC .. what kind of NIC ? |
| 18:15.56 | tomlobato | abrotman, relay only is equivalent to accept, cause, if postfix wont relay some email, it wont accept it |
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| 18:16.05 | ron_ | roundyz: I think you didn't select the right interface. |
| 18:16.06 | abrotman | tomlobato: not quite .. |
| 18:16.12 | Cope | ok - give me a clue! what dos command apart from edit might enable me to view a readme file? (trying to run ibautil from freedos floppy to flash my nic) |
| 18:16.32 | abrotman | tomlobato: i'm pretty sure you want mydestination,mynetworks_style, mynetworks |
| 18:16.45 | roundyz | its ETH0 on the motherboard |
| 18:16.55 | abrotman | and maybe relay_domains .. not sure exactly what you're after .. still |
| 18:16.55 | pipeline | Cope: edit.com is the conventional way to do that. You can try fooling with console redirection to get the file onto your screen, but again, edit.com is the way to do that. |
| 18:17.15 | abrotman | roundyz: and does it work .. are the lights on ? |
| 18:17.35 | Kempston | well |
| 18:17.40 | Kempston | i found the problrem |
| 18:17.43 | roundyz | yerh i know it works. lights up like a xmas tree |
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| 18:18.06 | K_Dallas | Cope: you can use _more_ to see inside the files |
| 18:18.09 | roundyz | shall i install the base system then come back? when i need to install the packages? |
| 18:18.13 | abrotman | Kempston: generating a 512 RSA key on a 486 takes a while ? |
| 18:18.17 | Kempston | no |
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| 18:18.30 | Kempston | reason is /dev/random is empty |
| 18:18.33 | Kempston | bad kernel |
| 18:18.39 | abrotman | huh? |
| 18:18.42 | abrotman | how did you manage that ? |
| 18:18.47 | Kempston | cat /dev/random |
| 18:18.52 | caphuso | duh |
| 18:18.57 | abrotman | err urandom ? |
| 18:18.59 | caphuso | no wonder that it's empty |
| 18:19.03 | abrotman | why doesn't it use urandom ? |
| 18:19.04 | Diego | cat /etc/passwd |
| 18:19.07 | Cope | I appear to have neither more nor edit on this disk! |
| 18:19.07 | Diego | este e legal |
| 18:19.17 | abrotman | !br |
| 18:19.17 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:19.24 | Cope | !cn |
| 18:19.24 | dpkg | cn is, like, China |
| 18:19.28 | caphuso | abrotman: because cryptography needs real randomness? |
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| 18:19.37 | abrotman | i thought urandom was better random |
| 18:19.42 | Kempston | well |
| 18:19.44 | caphuso | abrotman: no |
| 18:19.52 | Kempston | lemme see if i can change source |
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| 18:19.59 | abrotman | see .. that's what happens when you learn about random/urandom on solaris :) |
| 18:20.00 | tomlobato | abrotman, my question is too simple... and postfix doc cant answer it quickly, neither irc... I will ask on the list, thank you |
| 18:20.09 | abrotman | tomlobato: ok .. have a nice day |
| 18:20.19 | tomlobato | abrotman, thank you |
| 18:20.22 | Gathond | abrotman: urandom is not blocking if the system entrophy pool runs out, random is |
| 18:20.30 | caphuso | abrotman: man 4 random |
| 18:20.37 | roundyz | ok installing the dbian base system now.... |
| 18:20.44 | abrotman | ok .. did i asnwer tomlobato's question .. like 5 times .. or am i crazy ? |
| 18:21.10 | mikesol | i just got here so i'm gonna go with you're crazy |
| 18:21.18 | abrotman | !damn mikesol |
| 18:21.19 | kingsley | Why would "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" hang on a blue screen? (Even after I purged the previously installed package.) |
| 18:22.33 | stouset | kingsley: blue screen? This isn't Windows you're installing on, is it? |
| 18:23.13 | kingsley | stouset: It's ironic that I'm seeing a blue screen on linux. |
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| 18:24.17 | stouset | kingsley: Try a ps, and look for anything owned by debconf. |
| 18:24.25 | stouset | kingsley: You might be able to figure out what's hanging. |
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| 18:24.39 | lewis | what does a '#' mean in a patch file? |
| 18:24.45 | kingsley | stouset Good idea. |
| 18:24.58 | EmleyMoor | lewis: At the beginning of a line? |
| 18:25.13 | lewis | yeh |
| 18:25.29 | lewis | i have one hunk failed, just trying to work out what went wrong. |
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| 18:26.02 | EmleyMoor | Unless in a hunk itself I would have thought it was a comment |
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| 18:26.29 | itom | hi all, anyone use ettercap? |
| 18:26.29 | kingsley | dpkg-preconfigure is hanging on apt-extracttemp, whiptail and xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:26.56 | lewis | can someone point me in the direction, of where I can find out what the patch file symbols mean, at the beginning of lines? |
| 18:26.56 | valdyn | lewis: it means nothing, its part of the text before or after the changed line |
| 18:26.59 | stouset | kingsley: hm, I would be curious about apt-extracttemp |
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| 18:27.08 | stouset | kingsley: Try the upgrade. At the worst it can't hurt. Maybe. |
| 18:27.24 | lewis | why do some line number groups, i.e. '1156,1159' have *** either side, and some have --- either side |
| 18:27.27 | nunez | All the modules are running for my sound card, yet XMMS doesnt work? |
| 18:27.28 | zaikxtox | hello. does exists something like "google desktop search" for debian linux ? i'm using sarge. |
| 18:27.36 | mirak | hi what package is video for linnux ? |
| 18:27.59 | EmleyMoor | lewis: *** are changes, --- deletions, I think |
| 18:28.02 | petemc | zaikxtox: beagle seems to have similar functionality |
| 18:28.04 | valdyn | !beagle |
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| 18:28.12 | abrotman | zaikxtox: if i understand google desktop search .. beagle |
| 18:28.15 | abrotman | petemc: damn you! |
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| 18:28.21 | petemc | :) |
| 18:28.30 | mikeKJL | ! sound |
| 18:28.31 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 18:28.33 | abrotman | nunez: error for xms ? |
| 18:28.36 | abrotman | xmms |
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| 18:28.45 | zaikxtox | no debian packages for sarge, right? |
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| 18:28.51 | valdyn | zaikxtox: http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/DebianInstall |
| 18:29.03 | abrotman | valdyn: does it still require an external mono ? |
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| 18:29.07 | lewis | ok lastly, some lines have +, some have ++, some have -+, confusing |
| 18:29.10 | zaikxtox | thanks again valdyn , abrotman and petemc |
| 18:29.11 | dondelelcaro | lewis: http://www.ifh.de/computing/documentation/infohtml/diffutils/diff_3.html |
| 18:29.23 | lewis | merci |
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| 18:29.32 | abrotman | valdyn: i think i'll wait .. that's too much work :) |
| 18:29.35 | valdyn | abrotman: i never used it, i guess it does, debians mono didnt change |
| 18:29.42 | roundyz | testing apt sources errors now |
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| 18:29.54 | abrotman | valdyn: it requires mono from exp .. and compile your own dbus .. blah .. too much |
| 18:30.02 | valdyn | abrotman: cept that 1.1.6 seems to be in experimental... |
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| 18:30.10 | valdyn | abrotman: yea |
| 18:30.55 | cadu | oldhat ? |
| 18:31.04 | cadu | !dbus |
| 18:31.05 | dpkg | from memory, dbus is D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus |
| 18:31.16 | cadu | wtf |
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| 18:31.30 | pipeline | dbus is evil. |
| 18:31.39 | roundyz | failed to access the debianaive |
| 18:31.39 | EmleyMoor | "old hat" - i.e. old software holding back progress and/or needing manual compiles/backports |
| 18:31.44 | nunez | mikeKJL, Thank you, works now |
| 18:31.58 | roundyz | failed to access the debian archive |
| 18:32.04 | roundyz | please help me!! |
| 18:32.04 | masoft | if I make a floppy with: dd if=/boot/bzImage /dev/fd0; then does it be Bootable ? or not ? |
| 18:32.07 | pipeline | EmleyMoor: Seeing as people are already whining about KDE 3.4, and it's not even released yet, I'd say negative thirty days. |
| 18:32.12 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: stable is _not_ for experimenting with bleeding edge stuff |
| 18:32.15 | BucWheat | anyone use mondo ? apt-get install mondo ? |
| 18:32.22 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: and sarge is already frozen |
| 18:32.23 | EmleyMoor | valdyn: I know thaty |
| 18:32.26 | EmleyMoor | that |
| 18:32.28 | abrotman | BucWheat: apt-cache search mondo |
| 18:32.43 | Diego | Hello |
| 18:32.48 | Diego | I'm sorry |
| 18:32.56 | EmleyMoor | I don't experiment on it really - it is for my "most important" machine |
| 18:32.56 | BucWheat | abrotman i'm using it now but get errors when trying to restore my system :( |
| 18:33.07 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:33.12 | abrotman | no help from me then :) |
| 18:33.14 | masoft | It's about 2 weeks the Debian official FTP for Sarge not updated ! why ? :(( |
| 18:33.15 | EmleyMoor | Where I can run whatever it is somewhere else and display it locally I do |
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| 18:33.31 | abrotman | masoft: your mirror is out of date ? |
| 18:33.36 | valdyn | masoft: it did get quite a few updates |
| 18:33.39 | BucWheat | abrotman figures :) |
| 18:33.42 | roundyz | anyone willing to help me please privatly to get my apt sources working... |
| 18:33.43 | EmleyMoor | However, multimedia stuff is another matter |
| 18:34.32 | Diego | Por que vocês fala inglês uiai sô. |
| 18:34.33 | EmleyMoor | As long as spamassassin stays reasonable I should be OK |
| 18:34.45 | masoft | valdyn, does it update or don't update until Sarge come Stable ? |
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| 18:35.15 | abrotman | !br |
| 18:35.15 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:35.17 | Diego | debian-br |
| 18:35.20 | abrotman | Diego: really .. /j #debian-br |
| 18:35.22 | abrotman | it's nto hard |
| 18:35.28 | valdyn | !frozen |
| 18:35.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. |
| 18:35.29 | Diego | Não quero ajuda |
| 18:35.32 | kingsley | What's the default directory used by apt-extracttemplates |
| 18:35.34 | Diego | so estou olhando |
| 18:35.37 | Diego | tchau |
| 18:35.40 | Diego | desculpas |
| 18:35.41 | kingsley | s/$/?/ |
| 18:35.49 | abrotman | Diego: /j #debian-br |
| 18:35.49 | valdyn | masoft: see what dpkg said |
| 18:35.55 | abrotman | and stop speaking portuguese |
| 18:36.07 | lewis | http://pastebin.com/282798 - can someone look at this .rej file, and tell me what the differences are - it looks EXACTLY the same (i.e. the original and modified) - plus the things it wants to possibly change are all comments anyhow. |
| 18:36.11 | valdyn | masoft: exceptions are made to that as the management sees fit.. |
| 18:36.15 | cadu | yeah stop speaking portuguese you fscking brazillian ! |
| 18:36.19 | roundyz | please hel me!!!! |
| 18:36.22 | cadu | hhehe, just kidding :) i'm brazillian too :D |
| 18:36.32 | appaji | dpkg, tell roundyz about !!!! |
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| 18:37.19 | dondelelcaro | lewis: there's too much slop in the patch, most likely. |
| 18:37.25 | lewis | 'slop'? |
| 18:37.25 | appaji | roundyz: just ask |
| 18:38.01 | EmleyMoor | I would never go to frozen so soon if stable wasn't "old hat" - did the same slink->potato->woody |
| 18:38.13 | appaji | roundyz: what about apt sources, please don't /msg me. Ask here. |
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| 18:38.27 | lewis | the file is only 20 lines long, and I can't see any apparent changes. |
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| 18:38.50 | dondelelcaro | lewis: the file you're patching? It can't be. It's at least 1200 lines long. |
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| 18:39.02 | lewis | no, the .rej file |
| 18:39.09 | masoft | valdyn, I don't have Debian, now ! but I want get it from internet. |
| 18:39.21 | dondelelcaro | lewis: the .rej file is just telling you that the line numbers are way off. |
| 18:39.22 | EmleyMoor | Am I right in thinking xfree86 is maintained for sarge but xorg will be in etch? |
| 18:39.27 | Overfiend | EmleyMoor: yes |
| 18:39.29 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 18:39.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages and the testing-proposed-updates infrastructure are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. ... |
| 18:39.31 | valdyn | !d-i masoft |
| 18:39.32 | dpkg | masoft, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:39.47 | Overfiend | actually that can be updated |
| 18:39.48 | lewis | but does it look like it was going to change anything? the differences look the same, and besides which, they are comments anyhow. |
| 18:39.53 | abrotman | updated? |
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| 18:40.12 | dondelelcaro | lewis: -F 3 and probably -i will help it apply it if there really is no difference |
| 18:40.48 | Overfiend | dpkg: no, xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 18:40.50 | dpkg | okay, Overfiend |
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| 18:41.28 | lewis | sorry, would I run: 'patch -p0 -F 3 -i filename.rej' - will it know to look for filename.orig? |
| 18:41.53 | dondelelcaro | lewis: no, you have to apply the patch, not the reject file. If that's the only reject, just patch it manually. |
| 18:41.58 | stouset | Wow, dpkg is whipped. Overfiend didn't even ask nicely. |
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| 18:42.14 | lewis | ok - i'll do the entire patch again |
| 18:42.30 | Overfiend | stouset: nah, I just have a mighty voice. |
| 18:42.43 | furrywolf | hrmm. think I should put a 120cc engine on my r/c car instead of my 80cc one? :) |
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| 18:43.06 | appaji | furrywolf: junk it all, put debian on it :-p |
| 18:43.18 | stew | dpkg-reconfigure engine |
| 18:43.23 | furrywolf | debian won't run on a mc68hc11. :P |
| 18:43.30 | masoft | valdyn, It will not help ! I haven't broadband internet service ! |
| 18:43.31 | furrywolf | 16k address space, no mmu,... |
| 18:43.51 | nunez | I downloaded the Nvidia drivers from nvidia and tried to run their script and says it cant build kernel module interface. I'm using 2.6.x kernel |
| 18:43.59 | appaji | furrywolf: your claim to fame -> A mc68hc11 port of Debian. |
| 18:44.00 | kingsley | "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" is hangging on a blue screen. Would it make sense to boot #knoppix and copy it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? |
| 18:44.19 | furrywolf | appaji: won't be useful. :P |
| 18:44.45 | abrotman | !tell nunez about nvidia one liner |
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| 18:45.29 | lewis | dondelelcaro: it failed again - should I try verbose mode? |
| 18:45.38 | Overfiend | kingsley: it's possible one of the h/w detection programs is hanging |
| 18:45.50 | Overfiend | kingsley: run pstree from a different shell and see if you see what process is stuck |
| 18:46.06 | Overfiend | it will be the one way out to the right of a bunch of "dpkg" and "sh" stuff |
| 18:46.57 | Overfiend | read-edid is known to hang on badly behaved cards (like NVidia), but IIRC the configure script defaults to not run read-edid if it knows you have an NVidia card. |
| 18:47.05 | Overfiend | discover and mdetect should never hang. |
| 18:47.17 | kingsley | Overfiend: dpkg-preconfigure is hanging on apt-extracttemplates, whiptail and xserver-xfree86. |
| 18:47.19 | nunez | How do I find out the bus identifier of my video card? |
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| 18:48.07 | nite613 | If in install the deb for quota, do I need to add a quotacheck cronjob? |
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| 18:48.08 | stew | nunez: unless you are running multiple cards or are on non-x86 you can leave busid blank |
| 18:48.08 | appaji | Overfiend: [dumb Q.] Why should discover and mdetect never hang? |
| 18:48.09 | EmleyMoor | It looks like it's going to be hours on end before this upgrade is done, not that I mind |
| 18:48.21 | lewis | dondelelcaro: ok - last question for you, if you had to manually patch the file, looking at the .rej file, would you change any lines? ( http://pastebin.com/282798 ) |
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| 18:48.24 | nunez | whats 128 in kB? |
| 18:48.28 | EmleyMoor | Time left fluctuating wildly between 5 and 11 hours! |
| 18:48.29 | nunez | 128MB |
| 18:48.38 | furrywolf | 128*1024 |
| 18:48.40 | EmleyMoor | 131072 |
| 18:48.42 | appaji | !128*1024 |
| 18:48.42 | dpkg | 131072 |
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| 18:49.00 | kingsley | Overfiend: It's evidently a Visiontek GEForce3 model TI200, which I seem to recall is an NVidia clone. |
| 18:49.10 | Overfiend | appaji: mdetect uses alarm() and gives up after a few seconds |
| 18:49.32 | Overfiend | appaji: discover doesn't do any hard-probing, it just asks the kernel what devices are around, mostly by reading /proc |
| 18:49.40 | Overfiend | kingsley: Yes, that's true. |
| 18:49.57 | appaji | Overfiend: Hmmm. I get that. |
| 18:50.08 | nunez | Appreciate the help guys, lets see if it works |
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| 18:50.22 | Overfiend | appaji: "man 2 alarm" if you're into programming |
| 18:50.43 | exerd | how do i create a folder? |
| 18:50.48 | Overfiend | exerd: mkdir |
| 18:50.54 | exerd | TNX |
| 18:51.10 | kingsley | Overfiend Do you happen to have any thoughts on how I should proceed? |
| 18:51.10 | Overfiend | oh, I thought he knew I was semi-joking |
| 18:51.17 | appaji | Overfiend: SIGALRM and all, I know. |
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| 18:51.28 | Overfiend | kingsley: whiptail is hung, eh? |
| 18:51.31 | stew | Overfiend: it probably was actually what he was looking for |
| 18:51.41 | Overfiend | kingsley: I've seen this once before, but I couldn't discern the cause. |
| 18:51.46 | aalex | I just installed xwindow and it works !! Now, I just need to configure properly my mouse. Which port should I use for an infra-red mouse ? |
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| 18:51.55 | nvz | I've been thinking about buying this ( http://www.arsenalpc.com/Details.asp?ItemID=3115&Res=2 )nVidia Card for my pc.. but I have to save my money right now, cause I am going to be moving again :P |
| 18:51.58 | Overfiend | kingsley: I thought it had to do with /dev/pts not being mounted, but I may have been mistaken |
| 18:52.03 | Overfiend | kingsley: ls /dev/pts just to be safe |
| 18:52.20 | nvz | seems like a nice card at a good price, I am not even sure if it will work in the pc I have |
| 18:52.20 | EmleyMoor | aalex: What kind of connection does the mouse have? |
| 18:52.24 | Overfiend | aalex: the sensor technology is not what matters -- the way the signal gets to the computer does |
| 18:52.35 | Overfiend | aalex: PS/2, serial, USB, IrDA... |
| 18:52.39 | masoft | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:52.47 | petemc | Overfiend: any pointers on good spam fighting techniques? |
| 18:52.49 | Overfiend | masoft: you need a soft mixer |
| 18:52.56 | Overfiend | petemc: no, I'm as buried under it as anyone :( |
| 18:52.56 | abrotman | petemc: kill spammers ? |
| 18:53.06 | abrotman | petemc: greylisting is interesting |
| 18:53.07 | nvz | masoft: thats what a sound daemon like ESD or ARTSd are for |
| 18:53.10 | appaji | petemc: are you running a mail server? or is this for an individual mail account? |
| 18:53.11 | Overfiend | panthera: Wouter Verhelst blogs about it. You can find his blog on Planet Debian |
| 18:53.13 | EmleyMoor | spamassassin is good |
| 18:53.22 | Overfiend | EmleyMoor: spamassassin is very computationally expensive. |
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| 18:53.29 | abrotman | petemc: http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/ |
| 18:53.32 | petemc | abrotman: yeah, been using it for a while - they're starting to get wise to it |
| 18:53.33 | Overfiend | I use it only because I haven't the energy to research better methods. |
| 18:53.34 | masoft | nvz, are there different than ALSA ? |
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| 18:53.37 | kingsley | Overfiend: /dev/pts is an empty directory. |
| 18:53.39 | abrotman | petemc: DCC ? |
| 18:53.40 | masoft | *them |
| 18:53.50 | abrotman | oh .. DCC won't work .. nm |
| 18:53.52 | Overfiend | kingsley: run "mount | grep devpts". Anything? |
| 18:53.52 | stew | i'm going to start using greylisting soon, just gotta fix a bunch of stupid bugs first |
| 18:53.53 | abrotman | not anymore |
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| 18:53.57 | petemc | appaji: server - ~600 users |
| 18:53.57 | spencerk | ahh, i was screwing around with dpkg, and now i am running icewm? |
| 18:54.02 | spencerk | what do i do? |
| 18:54.03 | petemc | appaji: hm? |
| 18:54.13 | appaji | petemc: which server? exim/postfix? |
| 18:54.14 | Overfiend | spencerk: sounds like the default window manager changed |
| 18:54.23 | petemc | appaji: exim |
| 18:54.26 | spencerk | how do i change that? |
| 18:54.28 | stew | petemc: are you already using rbls? |
| 18:54.29 | kingsley | Overfiend: Yes, it seems to be mounted. |
| 18:54.33 | masoft | nvz, I must change my ALSA with ESD or ARTSd ? |
| 18:54.36 | appaji | petemc: also, you need to make a few decisions, like do you want your users to decide what is spam, or if you want to make that decision for them. |
| 18:54.40 | petemc | stew: thats a fairly contentious issue :) |
| 18:54.44 | Overfiend | spencerk: as root, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 18:54.51 | spencerk | thanks |
| 18:54.51 | Overfiend | spencerk: or remove icewm |
| 18:55.05 | petemc | stew: i am using them, yes |
| 18:55.07 | Overfiend | kingsley: but there's nothing in it? |
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| 18:55.21 | Overfiend | kingsley: that's bad. But it jogs my memory. That's EXACTLY the problem I had. |
| 18:55.27 | Overfiend | kingsley: the bad news is, I don't know how to fix it. |
| 18:55.31 | Overfiend | er, wait |
| 18:55.32 | appaji | petemc: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Spam-Filtering-for-MX/ |
| 18:55.33 | Overfiend | maybe I do |
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| 18:55.38 | kingsley | Overfiend: Yes, there's nothing in the directory named /dev/pts. |
| 18:55.43 | Overfiend | kingsley: try unmounting and re-mounting devpts |
| 18:55.45 | appaji | petemc: exim implementation is an appendix. |
| 18:55.52 | petemc | appaji: yeah, tor did a good job on that guide |
| 18:55.53 | Overfiend | umount /dev/pts; mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts |
| 18:55.57 | Overfiend | kingsley: then ls again |
| 18:56.00 | stew | maybe you should try to get in touch with the xfree maintainer... oh wait ;) |
| 18:56.14 | ron_ | Anyone playing bzflag with a geforce FX card that is so kind to put his config on pastebin.com? |
| 18:56.17 | kingsley | Overfiend Heh |
| 18:56.30 | appaji | petemc: A friend wrote a postix equivalent for that and sent it to Tor and the LDP. It is yet to be included in that and published. |
| 18:56.50 | nvz | masoft: well you configure your apps to send their sounds to the daemon to be mixed, then the sound daemon opens the driver and does the work |
| 18:56.53 | Overfiend | kingsley: you're not working in a chroot, are you? |
| 18:56.59 | mikeKJL | is the cdrom listed as /dev/cdrom? |
| 18:57.24 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: pong |
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| 18:57.40 | Overfiend | kingsley: after doing that, do entries appear in the directory? There should be at least one if you have an interactive shell session on the box. |
| 18:57.42 | aalex | Overfiend, EmleyMoor : usb1 |
| 18:57.49 | exerd | how do i unpack a .bz2 file?' |
| 18:57.53 | Overfiend | aalex: /dev/input/mouse, then |
| 18:57.55 | Overfiend | er |
| 18:57.56 | Overfiend | sorry |
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| 18:57.59 | Overfiend | aalex: /dev/input/mice, then |
| 18:58.03 | appaji | exerd: bunzip2 |
| 18:58.11 | aalex | Overfiend, and what if it was a PS2 |
| 18:58.18 | Overfiend | aalex: /dev/psaux, usually. |
| 18:58.19 | kingsley | Overfiend No, I'm not working in chroot, nor has anything appeared in /dev/pts, but..... |
| 18:58.24 | Overfiend | unless you're a devfs or udev loon. |
| 18:58.25 | appaji | aalex: /dev/psaux? |
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| 18:58.57 | aalex | cool, that should work |
| 18:58.57 | exerd | then how do i unpack neutron-1.5.tar |
| 18:59.01 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 18:59.04 | kingsley | Overfiend: "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" got past the blue screen! |
| 18:59.15 | appaji | exerd: tar -xvf neutron-1.5.tar |
| 18:59.15 | Overfiend | kingsley: that's good. |
| 18:59.26 | appaji | exerd: you need to learn the basics of unix like operating systems. |
| 18:59.36 | kingsley | Overfiend: "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" got past the blue screen! |
| 18:59.39 | stouset | kingsley: what was the problem? |
| 18:59.41 | exerd | yea i know |
| 18:59.45 | Overfiend | kingsley: I saw it :) |
| 18:59.49 | rue_mohr | anyone farmiliar with a serial port comms program for x ? |
| 18:59.56 | rue_mohr | like minicom.. |
| 19:00.03 | Overfiend | rue_mohr: xterm -e minicom |
| 19:00.03 | aalex | Also, I apt-get installed both ion2 and kde : ion2 starts by default when I do startx. I think this is fine, because my P2 is slow... Should I remove --purge kde ? |
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| 19:00.24 | kingsley | Overfiend, Overfiend, |
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| 19:00.26 | appaji | exerd: start with Introduction to Linux from The LDP. |
| 19:00.36 | mtnman | aalex: up to you, but if you don't use it you might as well purge it. |
| 19:00.38 | kingsley | brave, courageous and bold! |
| 19:00.38 | Overfiend | aalex: no particular reason you have to |
| 19:00.45 | kingsley | Long live his fame, |
| 19:00.49 | kingsley | long live his glory, and |
| 19:00.53 | Overfiend | He's so fuckin' lame |
| 19:00.58 | kingsley | long may his story be told! |
| 19:01.00 | Overfiend | oh. |
| 19:01.05 | Overfiend | You didn't end it the way I would have. |
| 19:01.06 | appaji | lol |
| 19:01.10 | aalex | mtnman, If I dont purge it, I keep the .deb, or the config files, or all the files ? |
| 19:01.19 | mikeKJL | what the cdrom be called under the /dev directory |
| 19:01.22 | appaji | Overfiend: in that case, the glory line should be first. |
| 19:01.24 | appaji | :-P |
| 19:01.27 | Overfiend | aalex: once a .deb is installed you don't need it. apt-get clean will get rid of it |
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| 19:01.47 | aalex | So, Overfiend, what does decide which window managers rules ? a config file ? |
| 19:01.59 | Overfiend | aalex: a program called update-alternatives. |
| 19:02.00 | rue_mohr | Overfiend, har har har |
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| 19:02.17 | mtnman | aalex: um, you will definitely keep the config files, binaries, manpages, etc. the .deb would be erased by an apt-get clean or equivalent. |
| 19:02.19 | Overfiend | aalex: it's called from the maintainer scripts of packages that provide alternatives for thing |
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| 19:02.38 | mtnman | overfiend: ltns. |
| 19:02.46 | Overfiend | aalex: the Debian Policy Manual specifies how to calculate the priority of x-window-manager alternatives. |
| 19:02.50 | XcC | Does anybody in here uses gbgraph?, having trouble compiling the mrtglog ? |
| 19:02.56 | jorgp_ | how do I have mkisofs create dirs instead of putting everything in root dir? I have looked everywhere and can not find out how |
| 19:02.57 | Overfiend | mtnman: "ltns"? |
| 19:03.09 | mtnman | long time no see |
| 19:03.10 | rue_mohr | anyone know a serial comms program thats NOT minicom? |
| 19:03.13 | Overfiend | mtnman: ahhhh |
| 19:03.23 | abrotman | rue_mohr: kermit |
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| 19:03.28 | mtnman | overfiend: belated congratulations on the election. |
| 19:03.42 | rue_mohr | is it worse than minicom??? |
| 19:03.43 | Overfiend | mtnman: thank you! Your nick is familiar, but you conceal your real name... |
| 19:03.44 | abrotman | rue_mohr: though .. i think it's non-free or contrib .. not sure |
| 19:03.47 | abrotman | !info gkermit |
| 19:03.48 | Overfiend | abrotman: non-free |
| 19:03.50 | dpkg | gkermit: (A serial and network communications package), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 19:03.56 | abrotman | oh .. guess not |
| 19:04.00 | xoz | Overfiend: are you *really* Overfiend (the new debian leader?) |
| 19:04.01 | abrotman | seems in main |
| 19:04.06 | rossi | sorry I have a problem wenn I make modprobe snd-sb16 it sais caN't locate module snd-sb16 |
| 19:04.13 | abrotman | or perhaps gkermit depends on kermit |
| 19:04.15 | Overfiend | xoz: what would you do to me if I said "no"? |
| 19:04.23 | xophEr | what are these files? http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-sensors-applet/ |
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| 19:04.49 | xoz | Overfiend: just wanna know the *truth*... are you? |
| 19:04.52 | abrotman | xoz: you could report Overfiend(the imposter) to an ircop :) |
| 19:05.04 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 19:05.33 | nksen | how can I make pam use the tcp port instead of the mysql-socket? i tcpdumped and when I try to connect there are no packets floating on port 3306 |
| 19:05.36 | UdontKnow | abrotman: ? |
| 19:05.40 | rue_mohr | there have to be equiv's to minicom, how do I find them??? |
| 19:05.45 | simonrvn | run away before power word nuke is invoked ;p |
| 19:05.53 | abrotman | UdontKnow: sorry .. bad joke .. didn't mean to 'ding' you |
| 19:06.03 | XcC | Does anybody in here uses gbgraph?, having trouble compiling the mrtglog ? |
| 19:06.15 | abrotman | rue_mohr: i just gave you one .. did'nt i ? |
| 19:06.16 | rue_mohr | I want something that dosn't have paramiter reset bugs |
| 19:06.24 | Overfiend | xoz: I'm a critically thinkin' kind of guy. I don't see how you could possibly trust my assurances of my identity if you had reason to doubt it :) |
| 19:06.25 | rue_mohr | sorta.. |
| 19:06.40 | abrotman | rue_mohr: how about .. `apt-cache search serial comm` |
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| 19:07.00 | simonrvn | xoz, um, /whois Overfiend |
| 19:07.14 | abrotman | don't do it .. it's a trap |
| 19:07.25 | stouset | xoz: It's not really Overfiend. Just a small, cleverly-crafted shell script. |
| 19:07.36 | abrotman | Overfiend: what are you |
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| 19:07.55 | Overfiend | abrotman: I am many things. Mostly annoying. |
| 19:08.02 | abrotman | Overfiend: 32*4 |
| 19:08.14 | simonrvn | damn, you had to go reveal that. i cracked my way onto xoz's box and set a trap for the whois command in his irc client. you *had* to go tell everyone, didn't you? |
| 19:08.15 | abrotman | he's much slower than dpkg |
| 19:08.22 | mtnman | stouset: so, we can /j debian-bots to communicate with the overfiend script? |
| 19:08.23 | kingsley | Overfiend: I've been struggling with X randomly aborting with Signal 11 for a long time, even with the nv driver, and now that you mention that some NVidia cards behave badly, I'm curious whether you think I should use a different video card than the NVidia clone. |
| 19:08.23 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 19:08.26 | ron_ | !xorg |
| 19:08.26 | dpkg | i heard xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 19:08.31 | Overfiend | abrotman: oh, that was a *question*? :) |
| 19:08.39 | abrotman | Overfiend: /msg dpkg 32*4 |
| 19:08.39 | Overfiend | multiplying powers of 2 is cake, up to a point |
| 19:08.51 | abrotman | dpkg: 32*4 |
| 19:08.51 | dpkg | 128 |
| 19:08.52 | Overfiend | dpkg: 5/0 |
| 19:09.01 | ron_ | Somevariable>>2 |
| 19:09.02 | mtnman | overfiend: you mean like a decimal point? |
| 19:09.02 | simonrvn | SEGV!!!!111!11!! |
| 19:09.03 | Overfiend | dpkg: DO IT, BITCH! THROW AN EXCEPTION |
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| 19:09.10 | simonrvn | haha |
| 19:09.14 | rue_mohr | yay minicom works after a restart... |
| 19:09.26 | simonrvn | blootbot++ |
| 19:09.29 | stouset | dpkg: sqrt(-1) |
| 19:09.29 | dpkg | i |
| 19:09.38 | stew | sweet |
| 19:09.39 | Overfiend | ooooooh |
| 19:09.40 | simonrvn | oooh |
| 19:09.52 | xoz | Overfiend: ok. im just surprised to see you here. |
| 19:09.55 | ron_ | dpkg: null(null) |
| 19:09.55 | concept10 | what is the best and/or most prudent/fastest way to get a Fedora specific package working on debian? |
| 19:09.58 | Overfiend | dpkg: i^(e*pi) |
| 19:10.06 | Overfiend | naw, it's worthless. |
| 19:10.08 | abrotman | does he know e and pi ? |
| 19:10.10 | appaji | concept10: it is to not use it :-) |
| 19:10.12 | mtnman | concept10: youi could try alien |
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| 19:10.16 | abrotman | !pi*3 |
| 19:10.16 | dpkg | 9.42477795 |
| 19:10.17 | appaji | concept10: you can try alien though. |
| 19:10.25 | simonrvn | concept10: a) you don't b) check if it exists in debian c) if not, debianise it d) alien |
| 19:10.27 | xoz | !i^i |
| 19:10.27 | Overfiend | xoz: I've been in the channel since I was elected. |
| 19:10.32 | abrotman | dpkg: e*pi |
| 19:10.33 | dpkg | 8.539734212916 |
| 19:10.35 | abrotman | ko |
| 19:10.38 | valdyn | dpkg: i**(e*pi) |
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| 19:10.52 | abrotman | keeping an eye on the underlings eh ? |
| 19:10.55 | concept10 | for example, the red hat based system-config-services tool written in python/pygtk |
| 19:11.00 | stouset | Overfiend: Hm, if Euler's equation doesn't work, try some Taylor series. |
| 19:11.04 | Overfiend | abrotman: no, hanging out so I'm available if people need me |
| 19:11.07 | tarzeau | gotta try these songs! gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/music-adlib/ with adplay ! these are so 1980 |
| 19:11.07 | appaji | concept10: use update-rc.d instead. |
| 19:11.08 | stew | i forget, what should i^(e*pi) be? |
| 19:11.11 | Overfiend | or just need someone to bitch at |
| 19:11.17 | tarzeau | anyone remember the adlib "sound" card? |
| 19:11.17 | xoz | Overfiend: ah, maybe different tz. |
| 19:11.17 | stouset | stew: 1 |
| 19:11.18 | abrotman | Overfiend: try Piggy |
| 19:11.19 | Overfiend | stew: either 1 or -1 |
| 19:11.22 | stew | i thought that was e^(-i * pi) |
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| 19:11.25 | abrotman | Piggy causes all sorts of problems |
| 19:11.27 | Overfiend | stew: I can't remember |
| 19:11.28 | stouset | stew: ah, you're right |
| 19:11.28 | Overfiend | oh |
| 19:11.30 | Overfiend | you're right |
| 19:11.34 | simonrvn | Overfiend: bitch! bitch! bitch! bitch! bitch! bitch! ;p |
| 19:11.39 | stouset | Overfiend: No wonder it didn't work |
| 19:11.46 | stouset | dpkg: e^(-i*pi) |
| 19:11.47 | rrt_ | How do you check what version of a package you have installed? |
| 19:11.52 | kingsley | Overfiend: Did you see this?... I've been struggling with X randomly aborting with Signal 11 for a long time, even with the nv driver, and now that you mention that some NVidia cards behave badly, I'm curious whether you think I should use a different video card than the NVidia clone. |
| 19:11.53 | tarzeau | http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~jrop/specials/digisnap/adlibcard.jpg |
| 19:11.53 | abrotman | rrt_: dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 19:11.55 | rue_mohr | I should write a descent serial port comms program some day |
| 19:11.57 | rrt_ | thx |
| 19:11.58 | rue_mohr | not liek its hard... |
| 19:12.06 | stouset | Haha, even better, we should ask it what 1 is and see if it knows enough to say e^(-i*pi). |
| 19:12.07 | abrotman | !tell rrt_ about refcard |
| 19:12.08 | concept10 | links for alien anyone? |
| 19:12.14 | abrotman | concept10: apt-get install alien |
| 19:12.19 | abrotman | or .. xfiles.com |
| 19:12.19 | appaji | concept10: apt-cache search alien |
| 19:12.20 | simonrvn | although spelling isn't your strong suit, is it |
| 19:12.21 | tarzeau | if you wonder what the plug on the interfacecard is, it's the volume button |
| 19:12.25 | rue_mohr | anyone know if there is a howto on making an 'official' debian package? |
| 19:12.26 | Overfiend | kingsley: I would indeed recommend that, but more for principled reasons than to avoid SEGVs. |
| 19:12.27 | nvz | concept10: google.com/search?q=alien |
| 19:12.33 | abrotman | rue_mohr: many ... |
| 19:12.38 | appaji | rue_mohr: the new maintainer guide |
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| 19:12.39 | simonrvn | concept10: apt-get install |
| 19:12.41 | rue_mohr | abrotman, excelent |
| 19:12.45 | Overfiend | kingsley: I don't know of an X server driver that is provably SEGV-free. However, there are a few factors to take into account: |
| 19:12.45 | abrotman | !tell rue_mohr about nm |
| 19:12.56 | Overfiend | kingsley: NVidia is not very nice to the Free Software community |
| 19:12.56 | abrotman | rue_mohr: also debian.org/devel |
| 19:12.57 | concept10 | whats a brief ocncept of alien |
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| 19:13.05 | rue_mohr | ok. |
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| 19:13.11 | kingsley | Overfiend: Would you care to recommend a specific card? |
| 19:13.13 | simonrvn | Overfiend: ati is getting worse i hear |
| 19:13.15 | appaji | dpkg: tell concept10 about alien |
| 19:13.19 | deifl | guten abend |
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| 19:13.21 | nvz | concept10: it converts foreign package formats, slack, rpm, etc |
| 19:13.22 | Overfiend | hang on, phone call |
| 19:13.23 | xoz | matrox |
| 19:13.33 | abrotman | what a slacker .. can't irc and phone at the same time |
| 19:13.45 | abrotman | i vote matrox or intel .. but i'm not xfree maintainer :) |
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| 19:14.05 | xoz | phone call should translate voice to irc text |
| 19:14.07 | simonrvn | back to cyrus22 |
| 19:14.08 | concept10 | thanks guys, can dpkg tell me my horoscope? |
| 19:14.08 | dpkg | my pleasure, concept10 |
| 19:14.17 | mtnman | xoz: submit a patch. |
| 19:14.20 | abrotman | !fortune |
| 19:14.21 | dpkg | hmm... fortune is a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement |
| 19:14.26 | nvz | I've only used ATI and Nvidia, and I'd take nVidia over ATI any day of the week |
| 19:14.31 | abrotman | concept10: he has qotd0 and flw |
| 19:14.34 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 19:14.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd102 is <]BdS[DrDefrag> i want to overclock my proliant dl580 g2 to compile the 2.6 kernel more quickly. any recommendations ? |
| 19:15.10 | abrotman | that's ahorrible one |
| 19:15.11 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 19:15.11 | dpkg | qotd87 is, like, <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
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| 19:15.15 | stouset | nvz: Agreed. Every time I use Xinerama, my console gets screwed. And xinerama doesn't work with the fglrx drivers. |
| 19:15.19 | BesoinAide | hello guys, where can i get an updated debian ? |
| 19:15.27 | abrotman | BesoinAide: updated to what ? |
| 19:15.45 | concept10 | BesoinAide: debian hasnt been updated in years |
| 19:15.45 | mtnman | updated _from_ what? |
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| 19:15.59 | stouset | concept10: incoming.debian.org disagrees with you :-) |
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| 19:16.09 | abrotman | mtnman: what .. too scared to try slink->sid in one shot? :) |
| 19:16.11 | concept10 | just kidding :) |
| 19:16.22 | stouset | abrotman: Bah, real men use experimental. |
| 19:16.29 | cadu | slink->sid works |
| 19:16.29 | mtnman | concept10: if you include only stable, you are still incorrect. |
| 19:16.33 | stouset | abrotman: As it is a direct measure of your Internet penis. |
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| 19:16.40 | cadu | debian 'stable' = debian 'archaic' :) |
| 19:16.45 | abrotman | stouset: luckily .. i've got a real one . i don't need an internet one :) |
| 19:16.46 | mtnman | abrotman: bo->sid |
| 19:16.49 | stouset | cadu: That scares me. |
| 19:16.55 | BesoinAide | ? |
| 19:16.57 | cadu | hah |
| 19:16.59 | cadu | doushite ? |
| 19:17.10 | abrotman | BesoinAide: what version of debian are you currently using ? |
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| 19:18.19 | BesoinAide | 2.4 |
| 19:18.24 | abrotman | mtnman: well .. he seems rather confused .. i thought he would at least know what he wants to upgrade too |
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| 19:18.33 | abrotman | mtnman: but based on that answer .. enjoy your work :) |
| 19:18.39 | mtnman | abrotman: you made an assumption... |
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| 19:18.49 | abrotman | mtnman: no i didn't |
| 19:18.56 | abrotman | mtnman: i just asked what he wanted to upgrade to |
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| 19:19.23 | mtnman | abrotman: you just said you thought he would at least know what he wants to upgrade too [sic] |
| 19:19.28 | nvz | hmm I just figured out something chatzilla does that is almost cool |
| 19:19.35 | abrotman | i didn't assume any thing about his current version |
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| 19:19.47 | abrotman | mtnman: ack .. grammar failing .. crap .. |
| 19:19.57 | mtnman | abrotman: you made an assuption about what he knows/doesn't know. leave the typo aside.... |
| 19:20.13 | abrotman | mtnman: most people at least know what they've installed already .. |
| 19:20.26 | abrotman | did i assume he would know .. yes |
| 19:20.31 | mtnman | abrotman: assumption that he is like "most people". |
| 19:20.35 | abrotman | but it's hard to accidentally install debian :) |
| 19:20.47 | BesoinAide | j'aime les roosbeef ! |
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| 19:20.56 | abrotman | BesoinAide: you're roast beef ? |
| 19:21.05 | stouset | nvz: What |
| 19:21.10 | nvz | not really, you could slip, fall toss in a sarge cd and land on the enter button and when you come to, you have debian installed |
| 19:21.14 | cadu | abrotman: he loves :D |
| 19:21.20 | paulswm | abrotman: What a touching, if misplaced, display of faith in human intelligence |
| 19:21.36 | resiak | stew: e**(i*pi) = -1 |
| 19:21.37 | paulswm | !prize nvz |
| 19:21.38 | nvz | stouset: well when people say something to me, it not only shows it in the channel but also in the status window |
| 19:21.42 | mikeKJL | I have an external pcmcia cdrom, and my pcmcia module works cause my nic is pcmcia and it works, but I can't find /dev/cdrom? |
| 19:21.50 | abrotman | cadu: you mean roosbeef is really roast beef? .. i was just making a joke :) |
| 19:21.52 | chefkoch-2oo2 | i have set the volume in totem to max, but the sound is very poor. xmms is sounds mutch better. where is the problem? |
| 19:22.06 | abrotman | chefkoch-2oo2: open the gnome mixer .. raise levels |
| 19:22.09 | paulswm | I thought it was rosbif |
| 19:22.16 | kerneld | Does someone have a sample filled in net-isp.txt template for ARIN I can take a peak at? |
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| 19:22.24 | cadu | abrotman: jajaja :D can't point out for sure, i'm no proficient french speaker, i'm not even a french speaker :P |
| 19:22.29 | appaji | chefkoch-2oo2: use a mixer to increase volume. |
| 19:22.29 | abrotman | oh |
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| 19:22.32 | abrotman | where is chealer |
| 19:22.35 | xoz | or aumix |
| 19:22.35 | abrotman | he's french |
| 19:22.35 | chealer | hey there |
| 19:22.36 | mtnman | chefkoch-2oo2: if i were you i'd open a mixer app and check your levels. |
| 19:22.40 | abrotman | chealer: roosbeef ? |
| 19:22.40 | kingsley | Bye for now, but much like Californian's governor, "I'll be back". |
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| 19:22.45 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 19:22.50 | cadu | 'crappy english' |
| 19:22.51 | cadu | :) |
| 19:22.54 | abrotman | latin? |
| 19:22.54 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:23.04 | xoz | cadu: chinese? |
| 19:23.11 | chealer | abrotman: funny, I get to #debian since hours of idling the *second* you call me |
| 19:23.15 | cadu | xoz: read up :D |
| 19:23.18 | chefkoch-2oo2 | sure, that is right. i have done that ;-) |
| 19:23.19 | abrotman | chealer: what is roosbeef? :) |
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| 19:23.29 | madclicker | is there a way to break out of "pon"? |
| 19:23.32 | mtnman | cadu: i have not seen the "crappy english" option in locales... |
| 19:23.34 | cadu | i'm also studying some kanji but the joyou kanji is frightening me |
| 19:23.34 | seb | hey |
| 19:23.37 | stouset | nvz: neat. |
| 19:23.38 | xoz | cadu: the most spoken is chinese... they have the largest pop |
| 19:23.41 | simonrvn | abrotman: s/he said that s/he likes roast beef |
| 19:23.41 | cadu | mtnman: en_CRAPPY |
| 19:23.49 | mtnman | cadu: thank you!:D |
| 19:23.56 | cadu | xoz: yeah, but 'crappy english' gathers people all over the world |
| 19:24.06 | cadu | as you can note :) |
| 19:24.07 | chefkoch-2oo2 | tjat does not work for me. still have a loud xmms and a silent totem ;-( |
| 19:24.13 | xoz | cadu: what is crappy? |
| 19:24.14 | seb | where can i find a list of the officials apt mirors for debian testing please ? |
| 19:24.16 | abrotman | simonrvn: i just can't believe roosbeef is actually french for roast beef :) |
| 19:24.17 | cadu | xoz: which surely beats 1.2B of chinas |
| 19:24.20 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 19:24.20 | dpkg | well, mirrors is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 19:24.23 | xoz | !dict crappy |
| 19:24.24 | cadu | xoz: bad ? :) |
| 19:24.25 | dpkg | could not find definition for crappy |
| 19:24.26 | seb | thx |
| 19:24.36 | mtnman | !dict crap |
| 19:24.38 | dpkg | could not find definition for crap |
| 19:24.53 | mtnman | me thinks dpkg needs a new dictionary. |
| 19:24.58 | simonrvn | abrotman: slang |
| 19:24.58 | abrotman | simonrvn: i know what j'aime means |
| 19:25.02 | jbmigel | I cant seem to open any applications when my processor is pinned doing something else. I thought that the kernel could multitask or something what is the problem? |
| 19:25.04 | paulswm | !dict shit |
| 19:25.04 | xoz | cadu: yep but i was thingking of the hidden meaning. like how crappy is crappy? |
| 19:25.05 | dpkg | could not find definition for shit |
| 19:25.08 | paulswm | HAHAH |
| 19:25.12 | chealer | abrotman: roast beef is one of the words that you think sounds weird as a child French (or at least Quebecer) speaker |
| 19:25.25 | madclicker | abrotman: is there a way to break out of "pon"? |
| 19:25.30 | mtnman | poff |
| 19:25.39 | abrotman | !pee on madclicker |
| 19:25.40 | chealer | abrotman: sounds like "rose beef" (pink beef) |
| 19:25.51 | stouset | G'nite, folks. None of you die, please. |
| 19:25.53 | abrotman | chealer: i know . but still .. roosbeef :) |
| 19:25.59 | nvz | heh |
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| 19:26.01 | nvz | damn |
| 19:26.04 | cadu | i'm learning suomi with a friend too , altoughs this is pure hobby |
| 19:26.04 | madclicker | mtnman: it is frozen my terminal screen CTRL C doesnt work |
| 19:26.07 | chealer | abrotman: hum...sure |
| 19:26.08 | paulswm | stouset: g'night |
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| 19:26.17 | nvz | I guess I will have to put off my funaral now |
| 19:26.21 | cadu | can't say more than "car is red" or "how are you?" ...maybe "i play nethack" :) |
| 19:26.24 | mtnman | madclicker: open another shell, and break out kill -9 |
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| 19:26.29 | xoz | stouset: you are dreaming now. you'll wake up in your real world soon. |
| 19:26.38 | resiak | madclicker: ^Q ? |
| 19:26.54 | cadu | nvz: everytime i look at your phrases i feel like running some text editor :) nvz :P |
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| 19:27.27 | xoz | nvz means novize |
| 19:27.30 | nvz | cadu: is that some way of telling me I type badly? |
| 19:27.35 | paulswm | !kill nvz |
| 19:27.43 | paulswm | Funeral problem slved |
| 19:27.44 | nvz | !yinzersmite paulswm |
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| 19:27.53 | xoz | nvz: nope... maybe you have missing keys. |
| 19:27.56 | paulswm | !prize nvz |
| 19:27.58 | cadu | nvz: nope |
| 19:28.00 | paulswm | !prise nvz |
| 19:28.08 | cadu | nvz: it's just one of that psychologic things |
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| 19:28.29 | vezult | arrgh! how do i get ulogd to stop logging in garbage format and get it back to logging in pcap? |
| 19:28.36 | tarzeau | anyone play bub-n-bros.sf.net with me? |
| 19:28.36 | cadu | nvz: like seeing a person and remembering from something that hasn't anything with it, just because the persons nose is a bit twisted or shit |
| 19:28.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: no more crack! |
| 19:28.48 | tarzeau | Overfiend: it's much l ike jumpnbump, but much funnier |
| 19:28.52 | nvz | if you say so *shrugs* Its over my head I guess. I've been hanging out in WVa and not been online.. so my intelligence is slipping away |
| 19:28.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: just once! |
| 19:28.58 | cadu | nvz: i read "nvz" and get a image of me seeing a screen with a 'vim' editor running...with color coding ! :) |
| 19:28.58 | madclicker | mtnman: i see no pon running and i killed pptpd process but nanda |
| 19:28.59 | raf256 | how/with dns caching server (to use for local machine only to speedup internet iusage) sould I use/ |
| 19:29.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: it needs be tested very good before it comes into debian |
| 19:29.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: not while i'm at work .. maybe at home :) |
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| 19:29.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: yay ;) |
| 19:29.10 | abrotman | well |
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| 19:29.17 | mtnman | madclicker: look for pppd |
| 19:29.30 | XcC | Does anybody in here uses gbgraph?, having trouble compiling the mrtglog ? |
| 19:30.14 | madclicker | mtnman: no ppp pppd nothing |
| 19:30.28 | elephantman | I can't find how to make special output file name with an imagemagick "convert" command. |
| 19:30.39 | elephantman | Is there global rules ? |
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| 19:30.42 | mtnman | maclicker: then it seems that ppp is already not running. |
| 19:30.56 | mtnman | madclicker: then it seems that ppp is already not running. |
| 19:31.01 | elephantman | Like putting "%d.jpg" will make "0.jpg" "1.jpg" ...etc |
| 19:31.03 | xoz | elephantman: what special output? for example... |
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| 19:31.26 | xoz | elephantman: make a loop |
| 19:31.27 | elephantman | Is this a IM rule or a general linux rule (the %d) ? |
| 19:31.32 | nvz | I need to find me a place.. the girl I'm living with has her deadbeat getting out of jail soon.. so it once again time for me to move on. |
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| 19:31.48 | Gianmaria | hi there, any pointers to do an internet-ready hardening of a debian server? Thanks in advance |
| 19:31.53 | mtnman | nvz: geographic location? |
| 19:32.04 | madclicker | mtnman: i ran pppoeconf it sets all up but nothing is in /etc/ppp/peers/provider. why is that? |
| 19:32.10 | elephantman | xoz: i don't need a loop - Its ok for the output file, what i need is to name the output correctly |
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| 19:32.33 | petemc | Gianmaria: google for secure debian |
| 19:32.36 | elephantman | xoz: i need to output it like => "1-1.jpg - 1-2.jpg"..Etc |
| 19:32.46 | mtnman | madclicker: i've only used ppp for dialup. have not had the opportunity to use pppoe, so i am of no help in that area. |
| 19:32.52 | Gianmaria | petemc: thanks |
| 19:32.57 | nvz | mtnman: I am staying just outside Morgantown, WVa. right now. 39.66N 79.95W |
| 19:33.02 | cadu | nvz: the girl you live with dates a criminal? nice |
| 19:33.15 | mtnman | nvz: thank you for the accuracy :D |
| 19:33.29 | xoz | elephantman: inside the loop you can make subst. |
| 19:33.33 | madclicker | mtnman: thx |
| 19:33.38 | cadu | nvz: OR you date this girl who has dated a criminal and she is now going for a mind refresh with the pal ? |
| 19:33.42 | madclicker | i ran pppoeconf it sets all up but nothing is in /etc/ppp/peers/provider. why is that? |
| 19:33.48 | appaji | Gianmaria: apt-cache search debian harden |
| 19:34.08 | nvz | cadu: well she's been a friend of mine for about 3 years now.. I just came into town to renew my lisc and fell into some work, and needed a place to stay.. she's always been in love with him as long as I've known her.. he's not really a criminal.. just irresponsible.. |
| 19:34.23 | Gianmaria | appaji: thx |
| 19:34.32 | elephantman | xoz: ok but is this "%d.jpg" options is an imagemagick options OR is it a general variable used in bash scripting ? |
| 19:34.36 | xoz | elephantman: like forloop ...mv $i ${i//} endloop |
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| 19:34.55 | elephantman | xoz: yes i understand thanx. |
| 19:35.01 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to check for grub errors... My grub freezes for like 30-40 seconds after it shows the Stage 1.5, Grub Loading... |
| 19:35.04 | xoz | elephantman: not a bash i think |
| 19:35.11 | cadu | nvz: good luck on finding a new place |
| 19:35.22 | nvz | cadu: I like her, but as long as she'd rather be with someone who things drugs and alcohol are more important than her... I'll just keep rambling on |
| 19:35.24 | Overfiend | back |
| 19:35.44 | cadu | nvz: and how you'll be moving all that garbage ? loads of old IBM cases and pentiums 166 scattered all way around ... :P |
| 19:35.51 | cadu | nvz: geek house is a funny thing :) |
| 19:36.06 | nvz | cadu: haha! I left that stuff behind before I came here |
| 19:36.09 | Shay | yeah, so is geek room |
| 19:36.12 | mtnman | overfiend: i believe someone was waitinf for you to recommend a video adapter... |
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| 19:36.16 | madclicker | can anyone display the content of /etc/ppp/peers/provider when pppoe is used? |
| 19:36.18 | nvz | cadu: I travel light, and I'm almost always alone |
| 19:36.21 | appaji | madclicker: are you using sarge? |
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| 19:36.26 | Shay | I wonder how my house would look like.. |
| 19:36.27 | Shay | hehe |
| 19:36.30 | cadu | nvz: nvz and his lonely mp3player :D |
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| 19:36.33 | Overfiend | mtnman: ah. Well, I think they may have left. But basically, the best of a bad lot right now seems to be older/cheaper ATI cards |
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| 19:36.48 | appaji | madclicker: read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/* |
| 19:36.52 | Overfiend | mtnman: ATI is pulling their usual stunt, which is as their market share increases, they more they flip the community the bird |
| 19:36.54 | xoz | Overfiend: what about matrox? |
| 19:37.04 | madclicker | appaji: yeap |
| 19:37.10 | nvz | I actually just bought an mp3 player recently.. for $30.. its an mp3 cd player with 120sec antiskip.. |
| 19:37.11 | Overfiend | xoz: Older cards, sure. I don't know that support for the Parhelia is all that good. |
| 19:37.14 | ron_ | bzflag crashes.. unless I run it in window mode. |
| 19:37.15 | nydust | any good howtos for debian sarge to act as an windowsserver? |
| 19:37.29 | Overfiend | xoz: ISTR you have to use a proprietary driver for the Parhelia |
| 19:37.29 | cadu | nvz: the basic mp3-cd player |
| 19:37.30 | ron_ | ut2004 is REAL slow. |
| 19:37.30 | appaji | nydust: as in, samba? |
| 19:37.38 | mtnman | overfiend: and we should be happy that we at least are getting the bird! |
| 19:37.39 | cadu | nvz: beware the 120antiskip ok? |
| 19:37.39 | ron_ | My drivers are working. |
| 19:37.43 | xoz | Overfiend: yep. mine is g550 or 450.. it's stable. |
| 19:37.44 | nydust | appaji, yeh |
| 19:37.45 | Overfiend | mtnman: heh |
| 19:37.48 | ron_ | I get 5800 FPS in glxgears. |
| 19:37.53 | nvz | cadu: it works good, 15sec and the cd stops spinning |
| 19:37.53 | chealer | ron_: oh yeh? |
| 19:37.57 | ron_ | WTF is wrong? |
| 19:38.01 | cadu | nvz: well |
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| 19:38.12 | appaji | nydust: the samba documentation is fairly comprehensive and the howtos kick ass. |
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| 19:38.20 | ron_ | chealer: :? |
| 19:38.21 | chealer | ron_: and you don't get as much in UT? ;) |
| 19:38.25 | Overfiend | xoz: ah, that's good. If you wanted to do the X Strike Force a favor, you could review bugs filed against xserver-xfree86 specifically against the "[mga]" driver and see if you can reproduce them :) |
| 19:38.29 | appaji | nydust: go through them if you really want to setup a good server |
| 19:38.32 | nvz | cadu: it doesnt work real well on audio discs in the car, but the mp3s work really well |
| 19:38.41 | cadu | nvz: i have one of these cheap mp3cd thingies ... cost R$150 (roughly 50USD)...it plays(ed) wma and mp3....man..the shit had 120 second antiskip too... |
| 19:38.41 | chealer | ron_: I never noticed UT2004 was slow...except maybe for loadings |
| 19:38.45 | Overfiend | xoz: I don't see too many Matrox users on the debian-x list. |
| 19:38.50 | ron_ | chealer: I get 20 or so when I see an enemy and otherwise 30-60. |
| 19:38.55 | TwistedEmotions | http://channels.debian.net/paste/121 |
| 19:38.55 | Overfiend | If they're there, they're awfully quiet... |
| 19:38.58 | TwistedEmotions | anyone help? |
| 19:39.03 | cadu | nvz: then i figured that trembling with the cdplayer while the disc is still spinning leads me to a 120second buffered skip ,hahahaha |
| 19:39.05 | appaji | Overfiend: I was hitting a very strange bug with X, want to hear about it? |
| 19:39.21 | ron_ | chealer: Did you recompile your kernel? |
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| 19:39.25 | cadu | nvz: i shaked the discman, w00t, 2 minutes later...hip hip hip :) |
| 19:39.31 | Overfiend | appaji: as long as you don't expect a simple fix :) Most X bugs aren't simple :) |
| 19:39.32 | ron_ | chealer: What special things did you do? |
| 19:39.39 | xoz | Overfiend: ok. i'll try to check on that. |
| 19:39.41 | appaji | Overfiend: I tried hard to find the actual root cause and asked for help in this channel, but could not find out. |
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| 19:39.49 | Overfiend | appaji: go ahead |
| 19:39.50 | nvz | cadu: haha.. well mine is a cheap GPX brand.. but its got a clear lid, and you can see 15sec into the song, its got 120sec buffered, and the cd stops spinning |
| 19:40.02 | appaji | Overfiend: it doesn't happen anymore with sid, only sarge. |
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| 19:40.15 | Overfiend | appaji: eh? Same version is in both sid and sarge |
| 19:40.19 | cadu | nvz: hehehe , so at least yours is doing some error correction |
| 19:40.31 | Overfiend | $ apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:40.32 | Overfiend | [...] |
| 19:40.37 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.37 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.37 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.42 | cadu | nvz: in mine the cd stops too..but if you shake the discman while he's buffering...bam , anti-skip skip :) |
| 19:40.59 | TwistedEmotions | Overfiend: Use #flood next time.. |
| 19:41.07 | madclicker | appaji: thanx for your help |
| 19:41.12 | madclicker | appaji: it works |
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| 19:41.24 | Overfiend | TwistedEmotions: I'm trying to educate, here :) |
| 19:41.33 | TwistedEmotions | Overfiend: ;) Just saying... |
| 19:41.34 | Overfiend | don't I get some sort of papal dispensation? |
| 19:41.39 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:41.43 | Overfiend | er |
| 19:41.45 | Overfiend | nakedly |
| 19:41.47 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 19:41.50 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 19:41.55 | Overfiend | sorry. No one should have to see the phrase "Overfiend naked" |
| 19:41.56 | nvz | cadu: I've only had it skip on audio cds. it does fine with the mp3s. most of the mp3 players these days are garbage.. I was at target the other day and this was the only one worth anything.. they are all way too small and have shitty parts that break easily |
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| 19:42.04 | Overfiend | *let alone* the real thing |
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| 19:42.09 | mtnman | overfiend: when you rule the vatican, you get papal dispensation. |
| 19:42.22 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 19:42.24 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:42.25 | cadu | nvz: i wanted some that could play .ogg |
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| 19:42.27 | Overfiend | TwistedEmotions: and let me guess, it's a final exam, too! |
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| 19:42.50 | cadu | nvz: i wouldn't mind if it only had 256 mb of ram...you can have a nice quality stereo ogg with ~80kbps :) |
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| 19:42.57 | nvz | cadu: yeah it would be nice.. when I rip and edit tracks (like hidden tracks on cds that need cut) I generally use ogg, to encode them.. |
| 19:42.58 | TwistedEmotions | Overfiend: LoL... I dont know... I got a test later today.. maybe it is... I hope not. |
| 19:43.02 | cadu | nvz: and this ~80kbps ogg beats mp3@128 for sure :D |
| 19:43.08 | mtnman | tries, even. |
| 19:43.21 | TwistedEmotions | mtnman: LoL... your going to hell for that comment alone. |
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| 19:43.27 | cadu | nvz: the cds i like most i do FLAC :) others...OGGq5 |
| 19:43.37 | appaji | Overfiend: Once every 5 days (pretty much exactly 5 days), X stops responding properly. The mouse is shaky and when I do an 'ls', the output doesn't appear immediately, it does after I do <ENTER> again. |
| 19:43.38 | cadu | nvz: but have you tried/streamed ogg at low bitrates ? |
| 19:43.39 | Overfiend | appaji: what's the bug? |
| 19:43.41 | Overfiend | ah |
| 19:43.45 | mtnman | twistedemotions: i suppose hell would be watching you slap overfiend. |
| 19:43.48 | nvz | I am currently offline, so it would be a PIMA to figure out what I needed to encode mp3.. the ogg packages were easy for me to d/l on to a thumbdrive and install |
| 19:43.53 | cadu | nvz: i can stream a nice _stereo_ music to my friend at 38kbps :) |
| 19:44.05 | Overfiend | appaji: that's bizarre. How can you tell the problem has gone away in sid? |
| 19:44.18 | TwistedEmotions | mtnman: LoL... no that would be my hell buddy... |
| 19:44.37 | appaji | Overfiend: I was running unstable with the latest 2.6 kernel from sid and gnome. Kept it uptodate. And my home directory was NFS mounted as was /usr/local/ |
| 19:44.51 | pureone | !tell harleyg harleyg |
| 19:44.57 | Overfiend | appaji: and then all of a sudden after a dist-upgrade/upgrade, the problem went away? |
| 19:45.11 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone ? Please... http://channels.debian.net/paste/121 |
| 19:45.17 | pureone | !tell harleyg about harleyg |
| 19:45.23 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 19:45.30 | TwistedEmotions | nt pureone... |
| 19:45.31 | Overfiend | TwistedEmotions: nobody is flooding... |
| 19:45.38 | appaji | Overfiend: I suspected various things, took away 2.6, used 2.4, then took away gnome, started using xfce and finally I also downgraded to X in sarge. |
| 19:45.45 | TwistedEmotions | Overfiend: Huh? |
| 19:45.49 | Overfiend | appaji: did you see what I said above? |
| 19:45.59 | Overfiend | appaji: same version of xfree86 is in sid and sarge |
| 19:46.13 | Overfiend | appaji: if the problem really is in xfree86, it should be fixed in sarge now. |
| 19:46.15 | TwistedEmotions | Overfiend: No... I am asking for help... lol... click on the link... hahahah im not complaining about pasting.. |
| 19:46.19 | appaji | Overfiend: I saw that, which is why I am all the more confused. I could not figure out anything from the logs etc. |
| 19:46.21 | Overfiend | appaji: otherwise, the problem may have been in another package |
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| 19:46.32 | Overfiend | appaji: personally, I'd blame the kernel for wonky scheduling issues. |
| 19:46.48 | harleyg | !tell pureone about pureone |
| 19:47.00 | TwistedEmotions | !tell me about life |
| 19:47.01 | chealer | oh wow, they changed something p.d.o :) |
| 19:47.02 | mtnman | does not running /home over nfs create extra scheduling issues? |
| 19:47.10 | simonrvn | configure: WARNING: *** WARNING: COMPILING WITH EXPERIMENTAL LDAP PTLOADER MODULE *** # bwahaha |
| 19:47.11 | harleyg | !pureone is gay |
| 19:47.11 | dpkg | okay, harleyg |
| 19:47.15 | harleyg | !tell pureone about pureone |
| 19:47.20 | mtnman | s/not// |
| 19:47.21 | petro | Does building dri into the kernel affect graphics performance? |
| 19:47.22 | simonrvn | !forget pureone |
| 19:47.22 | dpkg | i forgot pureone, simonrvn |
| 19:47.29 | Overfiend | mtnman: I can see how it could cause an ls to hang, easily. But freeze the mouse cursor? No. |
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| 19:47.41 | simonrvn | harleyg: stop putting crap into the bots |
| 19:47.42 | cadu | simonrvn: still using linux/ppc ? |
| 19:47.48 | naddar | anyone got experience with capture from tv cards |
| 19:47.51 | Overfiend | NFS server useless-garbage timed out, retrying.... |
| 19:47.52 | bluedwarf | [5~/quit |
| 19:47.55 | pureone | simonrvn who made the tcl scripts ? |
| 19:47.55 | Overfiend | NFS server useless-garbage timed out, retrying... |
| 19:47.56 | simonrvn | cadu: yes |
| 19:47.57 | Overfiend | NFS server useless-garbage timed out, retrying.. |
| 19:48.00 | chealer | when is 4.3.0.dfsg.1-13 coming? |
| 19:48.01 | cadu | simonrvn: you prolly don't remember me , you helped me with a PowerMac8500/128mb one year ago :) |
| 19:48.04 | Overfiend | when I see that, I want to commit slow murder |
| 19:48.12 | simonrvn | cadu: i vaguely do, yes |
| 19:48.17 | Overfiend | chealer: very soon. Found a scripting bug earlier today and fixed it |
| 19:48.19 | cadu | simonrvn: nice :) |
| 19:48.30 | appaji | Overfiend: ditch it. I think I don't have enough data right now. I'll try and collect data when I get to work in case you have any suggestions. |
| 19:48.32 | Overfiend | chealer: when I finish building and testing the trunk, I will hand it off to Fabio for release |
| 19:48.39 | simonrvn | cool |
| 19:48.57 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... Anyone know where I can look for errors of what to change when it sais Stage 1.5 Complete. Grub is loading" and then it just hangs for 30+ seconds? |
| 19:49.08 | Overfiend | appaji: run an X client that updates more frequently than the freeze-up time |
| 19:49.17 | Overfiend | appaji: and see if it stops as well when the mouse pointer does |
| 19:49.22 | nvz | oh well, I've got to run over to the other side of town.. I will probably find some time to come in here the next few days.. my 'boss' is in Atlantic City untill like friday night or he runs out of money, whichever comes first.. so I am not really busy |
| 19:49.39 | Overfiend | appaji: if I don't need sub-second resolution, I just use an xterm and the "watch" command |
| 19:49.47 | Overfiend | e.g. "watch -n 1 date" |
| 19:50.02 | chealer | Overfiend: cool. so basically, the versions http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html refers to are expected version numbers of yet not totally final packages, right? |
| 19:50.09 | appaji | Overfiend: Ok. So that'll tell me if it is X or the kernel. |
| 19:50.21 | Overfiend | appaji: well, not precisely |
| 19:50.29 | appaji | Overfiend: one thing to note, when I switch to the console, things work fine. |
| 19:50.30 | Overfiend | appaji: it will tell you if the it's the whole X server that is hung |
| 19:50.38 | naddar | anyone know a good program for capture from vhs to mpg |
| 19:50.40 | Overfiend | appaji: you can do this while it's "hung"? |
| 19:51.02 | simonrvn | i was having lock ups for a while, then got onto this and the previous kernels, the previous one had 1 lock up, and this one not one |
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| 19:51.10 | appaji | Overfiend: Yes. I can do ls and mutt etc. when the mouse is almost hung in X |
| 19:51.12 | Overfiend | chealer: don't know, haven't seen a reference to xfree86 on that page, will check |
| 19:51.14 | warchest- | is apache-ssl borked with sid ? |
| 19:51.21 | appaji | Overfiend: I mean, on the console. |
| 19:51.21 | Overfiend | appaji: Ah. Then I can tell you for sure the X server is not hung. |
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| 19:51.35 | Overfiend | appaji: if you can use CTRL-ALT-Fn to escape from X, then X is being scheduled and handling events. |
| 19:51.41 | mtnman | naddar: seems that vhstream will do the job. |
| 19:51.49 | appaji | Overfiend: Hmmm. |
| 19:51.53 | Overfiend | appaji: The X server is single-threaded. If it were truly hung, it would be deaf to CTRL-ALT-anything |
| 19:52.24 | appaji | Overfiend: interesting. |
| 19:52.56 | Overfiend | appaji: the problem you are seeing is likely client side -- possibly some sort of resource starvation issue -- something fires up every 5 days and socks the CPU? |
| 19:53.09 | chealer | warchest-: does the BTS say so? |
| 19:53.13 | Overfiend | or something fires up every day and reads from the mouse device, preventing the X server from successfully reading it... |
| 19:53.13 | appaji | Overfiend: this was a few months ago, I downgraded to sarge from sid and things were ok. Later sarge started giving me problems and I upgraded to sid, and things were back to normal. |
| 19:53.22 | Esotericisms | what is the dir 'sysconfig' in debian? |
| 19:53.24 | xoz | appaji: how big is your physical mem? |
| 19:53.32 | appaji | xoz: 1G. |
| 19:53.35 | Overfiend | appaji: The X server code hasn't been changing much in the past few months. |
| 19:53.45 | TwistedEmotions | Is there a way to look at what GRUB loads in step two? Or does anyone know what GRUB does in step two? |
| 19:53.50 | warchest- | chealer: BTS ? |
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| 19:54.01 | Overfiend | appaji: The package changelog is comprehensive -- please review it before accusing the xfree86 packages of changing :) |
| 19:54.04 | chealer | !btssmite warchest- |
| 19:54.07 | Overfiend | (in that respect) :) |
| 19:54.08 | appaji | Overfiend: my "few" was over 7 months. |
| 19:54.11 | Esotericisms | or what is the equivalent of '/etc/sysconfig/' in other installs for debian? |
| 19:54.14 | appaji | Overfiend: :-) |
| 19:54.22 | tarzeau | Esotericisms: what's in there ? |
| 19:54.38 | mtnman | s/goo/good/ |
| 19:54.42 | appaji | Esotericisms: you want the network configuration? see /etc/network. |
| 19:54.49 | Overfiend | appaji: well, okay. That's a little longer, but still. The focus has not been on sexy new code in the X server for quite some time, because everything interesting would have to be backported from X.Org, which is getting harder and harder. |
| 19:54.59 | warchest- | oh |
| 19:55.01 | warchest- | its on there |
| 19:55.04 | warchest- | guess it is borked :) |
| 19:55.09 | xoz | appaji: what about running in console all the time to check whether it only happens in X? |
| 19:55.10 | cadu | it's worthy switching to x.org ? |
| 19:55.28 | cadu | i'm on a athlon xp 2.6gig with 512mb ram and a geforce fx5200 (nvidia's drivers) |
| 19:55.31 | appaji | xoz: I wish I could do that. This being a work machine, I can't idle for 5 months on the console really :-( |
| 19:55.57 | Overfiend | chealer: yes, by "needed" I reckon he's referring to a package that doesn't yet exist. The patch has been applied to xfree86 SVN for weeks, though, so he knows the fix is going to be in there. |
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| 19:56.04 | chealer | warchest-: you need to do public apology for using sid and not checking the BTS |
| 19:56.05 | xoz | appaji: so the occurence when in X is more than a month? |
| 19:56.29 | chealer | Overfiend: ok, that's what I suspected but thanks a lot for confirming |
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| 19:56.54 | appaji | Overfiend: OK. There were plenty of suspects: nfs client, some driver, X etc. etc. I pretty much looked at all the logs closely for hints. |
| 19:57.14 | Overfiend | chealer: you can always previous what's coming in the next xfree86 release at: http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/changelog |
| 19:57.29 | Overfiend | appaji: hangs/stalls are unlikely to produce log events, IME |
| 19:57.38 | Overfiend | appaji: if the think were awake to log about it, it would |
| 19:57.42 | Overfiend | s/think/thing/ |
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| 19:57.58 | Decrypt1 | hey guys |
| 19:58.00 | simonrvn | they don't, unless an oops happens to make it to syslog |
| 19:58.02 | Overfiend | but if something isn't scheduled, or jammed into some sleeping state, it can't log |
| 19:58.02 | appaji | xoz: this would happen every 5 days. And I would have to reboot. Only once in a while (very rarely), it would happen within a few hours of rebooting it. |
| 19:58.18 | xoz | appaji: you can stress test it with X and without X to hasten the time of *bomb*... |
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| 19:58.25 | chealer | Overfiend: cool...you have a pretty great share there ;) |
| 19:58.38 | appaji | Overfiend: true. |
| 19:58.42 | simonrvn | appaji: you know, that sounds exactly what i went through for a whole month, month and a half a little while ago |
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| 19:58.48 | Overfiend | "D" for "You're *D*oomed, *D*00*D*" |
| 19:59.05 | xoz | appaji: do you have acpi running? |
| 19:59.07 | Overfiend | if something is in "D" for long enough to notice, it's probably never coming back |
| 19:59.16 | Overfiend | s/for long enough/long enough for you/ |
| 19:59.16 | jetscreamer | omg it's Overfiend! /me worships, sacrifices goat |
| 19:59.23 | appaji | xoz: disabled acpi. |
| 19:59.33 | xoz | appaji: ok. that's good |
| 19:59.52 | mtnman | jetscreamer: only *one* goat? |
| 19:59.58 | appaji | simonrvn: mine was an IBM ThinkStation. 845GL chipset. |
| 20:00.07 | simonrvn | Overfiend: i've also seen it when the box is under high load, they do clear out though in that case |
| 20:00.08 | petemc | nobody 13438 0.1 2.8 278056 29484 ? D May10 2:15 spamd child |
| 20:00.19 | petemc | happens all the time |
| 20:00.25 | xoz | appaji: try to stress test it with X and without X and see which one bomb faster? |
| 20:00.26 | simonrvn | appaji: power tower pro (old mac ppc clone). i suspect the kernel, since: |
| 20:00.26 | jetscreamer | mtnman: but it's a black ram |
| 20:00.33 | Overfiend | afk, phone call |
| 20:00.41 | simonrvn | appaji: this is my uptime now: |
| 20:00.44 | simonrvn | uptime |
| 20:00.45 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.47 | appaji | xoz: I can't use the machine without X, it is a work box :-( |
| 20:00.53 | mtnman | jetscreamer: you're starting to sound like that website... |
| 20:01.10 | appaji | simonrvn: I now get excellent uptimes. I only reboot after kernel upgrades. |
| 20:01.11 | simonrvn | i couldn't get any higher than 4 days with the kernel problems |
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| 20:01.24 | appaji | simonrvn: exactly. |
| 20:01.25 | simonrvn | appaji: yeh, same here |
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| 20:02.15 | TwistedEmotions | dpkg reconfigure <package> the right syntax to reconfigure a package? |
| 20:02.27 | simonrvn | s/g r/g-r/ |
| 20:02.30 | mtnman | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:02.33 | appaji | TwistedEmotions: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:02.47 | TwistedEmotions | appaji: mtnman: Thanks. |
| 20:02.53 | mtnman | welcome |
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| 20:03.48 | ron_ | Can some one tell me whether these are normal values fo r a 5900XT card? |
| 20:03.50 | ron_ | 3.401669 / 46.434959 / 548.154968 fps -- Score = 41.455379 rand[41298783] |
| 20:03.50 | ron_ | 7.774432 / 32.700886 / 101.984482 fps -- Score = 32.729435 rand[911658414 ] |
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| 20:04.02 | xoz | TwistedEmotions: if you isntalled bash completion, you will not need that kind of question. |
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| 20:04.26 | xoz | *bash_completion* |
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| 20:06.05 | TwistedEmotions | xoz: Heh? |
| 20:06.24 | xoz | /etc/bash_completion |
| 20:06.50 | andax | How can I use a promise TX4200 sata raid controller on debian linux with the 2.6 series? (this is the card: http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=RAID%20HBAs&product_id=127#) there are drivers available only for 2.4.... and of course i tried but they didn't compile. |
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| 20:07.28 | asdfdito | hola |
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| 20:08.45 | XcC | does anybody know a webinterface with a ssh terminal?.. I just need a secure script on my server where i can ssh via my webserver |
| 20:09.19 | vezult | andax: TX4 150 works for me without any special compliation...dunno how similar the two are though |
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| 20:09.30 | derflo | XcC: doesn't webmit have one? |
| 20:09.36 | derflo | err: webmin |
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| 20:09.40 | vezult | andax: my guess is that the same driver will work for both |
| 20:09.50 | XcC | derflo: to big script just for one thing i need :| |
| 20:10.09 | chealer | XcC: http://www.engineering.ucsb.edu/~eci-web/ssh/ssh.html uses something Java |
| 20:10.19 | andax | vezult: thanks for the tip |
| 20:10.41 | chealer | XcC: hum, mindterm, looks non-free |
| 20:10.48 | Overfiend | phone call done |
| 20:11.00 | XcC | chealer: hmm |
| 20:11.21 | andax | XcC: www.smoothwall.org has it built-in, extract it somehow :) |
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| 20:11.44 | chealer | XcC: the cool thing with that site is that you can use it for your server anyway :) |
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| 20:12.12 | derflo | XcC: or extract it from webmin. I'm not sure, if you could encrypt data over a java-applet. |
| 20:12.13 | XcC | chealer: ye but the problem if it is secure enought. |
| 20:12.16 | chealer | agreeably less secure to have the interface on an unknown side :-P |
| 20:12.24 | XcC | ye |
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| 20:13.25 | XcC | hmm bum bum |
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| 20:13.38 | rafaeru | ekhem :] |
| 20:13.41 | derflo | XcC: or you can do a simple script that only uses HTML. |
| 20:13.48 | XcC | derflo: well is it secure? |
| 20:13.57 | appaji | andax: but you can't do cool stuff with ssh like passwordless logons etc. with ssh-agent if you use that. |
| 20:14.05 | derflo | you would encrypt it via, let's say apache_ssl |
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| 20:14.24 | XcC | derflo: okay, do you got time to help with the html stuff? |
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| 20:14.44 | cadu | ok people |
| 20:14.48 | cadu | some ontopic question |
| 20:14.54 | derflo | but you'd have to write the whole yuthentication system on your own and make it secure. I'd prefer in using webmins solution. |
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| 20:15.15 | XcC | derflo: hmm baah :D |
| 20:15.26 | cadu | <ontopic> what's the system/program that makes that nice ncurses questions on debian "preconfigure" stage ? |
| 20:15.28 | rafaeru | what kind of question? |
| 20:15.36 | derflo | XxC: first, think of it. |
| 20:15.44 | derflo | err: about... |
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| 20:15.55 | appaji | cadu: the debconf interface? |
| 20:16.06 | cadu | appaji: that isn't a separate program? |
| 20:16.15 | XcC | derflo: well im not the big coder, well i can code some but i dont want to code a system like that on my own, it will be too unsecure when im a n00b at it |
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| 20:16.18 | derflo | XcC: you know perl,python or php? |
| 20:16.27 | cadu | i wanted to make some scripts and have some user input using that same style of debian's configure stage ... |
| 20:16.33 | derflo | derflo: oic |
| 20:16.34 | appaji | cadu: I am not sure how it works. It has several interfaces. Curses, an editor, readline etc. |
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| 20:16.49 | derflo | XcC: Install webmin. |
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| 20:16.53 | XcC | derflo: most im coding php scripts who work with bash |
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| 20:17.06 | appaji | cadu: you would not have to bother about that. You just 'ask' the questions and debconf would take care of what interface to use based on the users preferences. |
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| 20:17.30 | appaji | cadu: in case you are doing this for a debian package, you can try and ask in #debian-mentors |
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| 20:18.16 | derflo | XcC: Then you should make it with webmin and disable all not-needed stuff somehow. |
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| 20:18.37 | XcC | derflo: ye |
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| 20:19.34 | cadu | appaji: no...i wanna do some simple question based script like "Start ADSL?" and that nice YES/NO buttons :D |
| 20:20.23 | appaji | cadu: that is not the Debian way of doing things. Someone might like to type Yes on the command line and someone may want to do that in his/her editor. Some prefer the curses gui |
| 20:20.58 | XcC | curses gui is sweet |
| 20:21.09 | appaji | cadu: and so, the actual config question should be indep of the interface. |
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| 20:21.25 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 20:23.14 | cadu | appaji: i'm not trying to do it the debian way :D i'm trying to do it 'easier for my wife' way (TM) :) |
| 20:23.46 | andax | cadu: then write this on a paper: "pon dsl-provider" :) |
| 20:24.38 | andax | i don't know how could anything be more simple than that |
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| 20:25.19 | appaji | cadu: then write the configuration utility using a python script and use pygtk to make a wife-gui for it. |
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| 20:25.51 | cadu | appaji: i'll have to learn python and pygtk and gtk :) |
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| 20:25.52 | addNtoX | hi folkssssZZ |
| 20:25.53 | appaji | andax: pon dsl-provider isn't 'configuration' :-) |
| 20:25.54 | cadu | appaji: seems HARD |
| 20:26.00 | ron_ | I think my CPU is to slow. That's the reason the stuff(ut2004) runs slow. |
| 20:26.04 | andax | starting the gui requires remembering 1 command. (startgui) dialing the dsl requires 1 command (pon) => it makes no sense. |
| 20:26.05 | ron_ | er too |
| 20:26.17 | appaji | cadu: trust me, you can learn both in a day. Better than asking lots of people here ;) |
| 20:26.27 | cadu | appaji: is python that easy ? |
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| 20:26.34 | appaji | cadu: it is. |
| 20:26.41 | cadu | appaji: and about gtk...once i tried learning it and got lost :) |
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| 20:26.45 | cadu | ooooooops :) |
| 20:26.49 | TwistedEmotions | Which is newer Grub2 or Grub legacy? |
| 20:26.53 | appaji | cadu: I said pygtk and not gtk. |
| 20:27.10 | appaji | cadu: http://www.pygtk.org/ has a sexy tutorial. |
| 20:27.13 | zamolxes | cadu, xdialog? :) |
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| 20:27.29 | El_Tordo | hello |
| 20:27.33 | ribnitz | appaji: multi inheritance? - restricting visibility per child? - programming by contract? |
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| 20:27.40 | du3-cc | hi ppl |
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| 20:28.35 | cadu | you guys complicate things too much |
| 20:28.37 | simonrvn | ok, it didn't break :) |
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| 20:28.52 | cadu | i'll write two debian-menu entries "Start ADSL" "Stop ADSL" |
| 20:28.58 | cadu | :P |
| 20:29.22 | ribnitz | cadu: if its adsl, cant it be always on? |
| 20:29.29 | kerneld | cadu: For that, you will need phpgtk |
| 20:29.38 | cadu | kerneld: no |
| 20:29.40 | du3-cc | i found in the resp of sid fbi, which is a framebuffer image viewer.. the thing is i need an easy way to view images + text in framebuffer.. any suggestions? |
| 20:29.42 | cadu | i'll need vim :) |
| 20:29.46 | zamolxes | cadu, use xdialog or kommander or something like that |
| 20:29.55 | appaji | ribnitz: you don't *have* to use those when you program a small config utility in python, and fwiw, I would still consider doing that to be easier in python than say in C++/Java. |
| 20:29.56 | Ronin | cadu: why not? i was adsl for the longest time, it was never off |
| 20:29.57 | cadu | ribnitz: no :"( brazillian ADSL is SHIIITYY |
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| 20:30.08 | Ronin | cadu: ahh never mind lousy isp i see |
| 20:30.12 | mtnman | du3-cc: look at w3m + w3m-img |
| 20:30.17 | cadu | ribnitz: first , you have to connect, and my box doesn't stays all the time powered on |
| 20:30.28 | ribnitz | cadu: oh. sorry. |
| 20:30.40 | cadu | ribnitz: then, even worse , we poor brazillians have to authenticate with a webpage...putting a login/password to a provider :) |
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| 20:31.08 | cadu | ribnitz: shitty and false thing coz a traceroute shows you're actually not using nothing from the 'provider' ...it's just an additional thing to force you to pay a provider and consequently , spend more money |
| 20:31.24 | mtnman | du3-cc: nm, w3m-img is for x11 |
| 20:31.31 | El_Tordo | hello |
| 20:31.34 | El_Tordo | hi |
| 20:31.43 | ribnitz | cadu: So the provider hides their infrastructure? |
| 20:31.44 | whitefunk | quit |
| 20:31.45 | creature | Hi guys. I'm having some trouble getting my DVD burner to work under Woody. It wrote one DVD, but since then it hasn't worked. More details at http://cupholder.mine.nu/dvdproblem.txt |
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| 20:32.14 | ribnitz | cadu: its still the "last mile", plus the switch of the provider to the real internet, no? |
| 20:32.19 | du3-cc | mtnman, if i understood it right.. its somekind of links -g right? |
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| 20:32.38 | mtnman | du3-cc: dunno. don't use links here. |
| 20:32.44 | cadu | ribnitz: no, even worse |
| 20:32.54 | cadu | ribnitz: that's what i'm trying to explain....no provider exists really |
| 20:32.59 | mtnman | du3-cc: but i don't w3m-img will work on fb. |
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| 20:33.13 | cadu | ribnitz: telco sells ADSL access...but you must sign with a provider ...got it? |
| 20:33.24 | ribnitz | cadu: ah. |
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| 20:33.32 | cadu | ribnitz: then you have to 1-start adsl 2-get on their website to log on 3-surf |
| 20:33.40 | mtnman | du3-cc: s/don\'t/don\'t\ think/ |
| 20:33.41 | du3-cc | mtnman, a browser in framebuffer would be fine, but i d be happy with a little png+txt viewer.. |
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| 20:33.53 | cadu | ribnitz: on the website you much choose on a dropdown the provider you signed up plus user+password |
| 20:34.00 | k9mateo | que tan bueno es Ubuntu????? |
| 20:34.04 | mtnman | du3-cc: officially, w3m is a pager, not a browser. |
| 20:34.07 | k9mateo | is googd Ubuntu? |
| 20:34.14 | k9mateo | good |
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| 20:34.38 | ribnitz | cadu: over here its: Telco has last mile, but rents it to different providers. You sighn up with one of them, enter credentials once and for all, and basically only switch the box (router) on or off. |
| 20:34.38 | cadu | ribnitz: but a simple traceroute proves that NO PROVIDER is being used , it's really the telco serving internet...and only allowing you to go on after you login on some provider (prolly some webservice + iptables rule etc...but works...you can't do nothing) |
| 20:34.41 | du3-cc | mtnman, i dont understand the difference (my inglish is too bad sry) |
| 20:34.50 | k9mateo | hiiii :(((( |
| 20:35.07 | cadu | ribnitz: router....here i'm on ppp mode :) |
| 20:35.14 | mtnman | du3-cc: more, less, are pagers. w3m is a fancy pager that happens to render html. |
| 20:35.14 | simonrvn | k9mateo: if you want ubuntu, go on their site and see #ubuntu |
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| 20:35.23 | cadu | ribnitz: i could log on here and stay 8 days without a logon really |
| 20:35.26 | k9mateo | ok....thanks |
| 20:35.29 | MidgetWork | hey guys, I am trying to mount a share (windows share) with this command: mount -t smbfs -o ro //MidgetSpy/MP3 /mp3. It works correctly but for some reason it prompts me for a password (though no password is required, I can just press <Enter> and it mounts anyway). how can I stop this from happening? |
| 20:35.30 | cadu | ribnitz: but i think ppp mode is nicer :) |
| 20:35.35 | k9mateo | simonrvn |
| 20:35.39 | simonrvn | k9mateo: www.ubuntulinux.org |
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| 20:35.50 | k9mateo | thanks |
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| 20:36.00 | simonrvn | k9mateo: or install debian. ubuntu is based off debian |
| 20:36.01 | creature | I didn't phrase that problem very well. My DVD writer tells me "No medium found" but dmesg output implies some IRQ timeouts/SCSI resets. |
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| 20:36.10 | MidgetWork | (the reason I ask is that I put it in my /etc/fstab but then it stalls on bootup asking for a password) |
| 20:36.13 | ribnitz | cadu: I leave ppp(oe) etc to my router. All I do is enter some simple info in the web interface of my router. |
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| 20:36.33 | creature | MidgetWork - you might be able to pass it an option for a blank password. |
| 20:36.52 | xam | MidgetWork: try the 'guest, option |
| 20:36.53 | du3-cc | mtnman, i saw that w3m uses imagemagick .. which is an overhead for me.. |
| 20:37.02 | cadu | ribnitz: yeah, but you don't have to log in on a webpage , better |
| 20:37.02 | du3-cc | any other alternatives? |
| 20:37.04 | ribnitz | creature: also with a known working CD inside? |
| 20:37.17 | cadu | ribnitz: here the adsl user/password pair is your telephone number (both...a bogus password) .... |
| 20:37.25 | MidgetWork | crashbg, xam thanks, I think those will BOTH work! |
| 20:37.35 | mtnman | midgetwork: if i were you i'd be checking the smbmount manpage (mount -t smbfs calls smbmount) and looking for authentication methods. |
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| 20:37.36 | creature | ribnitz - I burnt a CD earlier that's fine, and I've got a DVD out of it before and nothing's changed. At the moment the drive has a blank DVD inside. |
| 20:37.37 | cadu | ribnitz: after connection suceeds you have to open your browser and go to their webpage to log in :) |
| 20:37.46 | ribnitz | cadu: My orivider sent me some autogenerated password.. |
| 20:38.04 | creature | I have tried using a few DVDs, so I don't think they can all be bad. |
| 20:38.07 | cadu | ribnitz: you put it on your user/pass pair right ? |
| 20:38.10 | ribnitz | cadu: the kind you can't remember well. |
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| 20:38.25 | cadu | ribnitz: there i could put 123456 on both and i would suceed connection |
| 20:38.30 | cadu | but i wouldn't be able to do nothing |
| 20:38.42 | cadu | after you connect DNS is free but all ports blocked |
| 20:38.55 | cadu | ribnitz: if you try 'ping yahoo.com' you resolve its address and nothing more |
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| 20:39.23 | padmin | sql-ledger on debian?????????? |
| 20:39.28 | ribnitz | cadu: got special service with provider. basically only use their dns, rest is my prob. |
| 20:39.34 | du3-cc | i mean the ppl from debian-installer used the lib BOGL.. which i d like to use too.. but i miss the API, or some examples.. any sources? |
| 20:39.49 | padmin | sql-ledger??????? |
| 20:39.51 | cadu | ribnitz: nice to be you :) |
| 20:39.59 | simonrvn | please don't /msg me |
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| 20:40.05 | cadu | ribnitz: at least it isn't like germany where you get disconnected each 24 hours :) |
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